From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Mon Jul  1 00:03:18 2019
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2019 21:03:18 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 data mode fail
In-Reply-To: <CAH=YJo4BQnkqqU3HfuMJePoLc_K8e+tJ6YVO8orjv6TbtwGzyQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAH=YJo4BQnkqqU3HfuMJePoLc_K8e+tJ6YVO8orjv6TbtwGzyQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <68fe3ce8-f36e-3b41-fb36-e9730bcff0f3@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On 6/30/2019 8:43 PM, Skip Cameron wrote:
> Need suggestions on diagnosis or reset process.

VOX settings?? Level changes?? Windoze updates screwing with sound card 
settings or choices?

73, Jim K9YC



From kevinr at coho.net  Mon Jul  1 00:19:31 2019
From: kevinr at coho.net (kevinr)
Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2019 21:19:31 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Report
Message-ID: <8d15a4f0-5506-1af9-9796-d50218166c99@coho.net>

Good Evening,

 ?? Conditions were poor.? QSB was deep.? But the thunderstorm noise was 
not too bad.? I remember the bottom of the last cycle seemed 
interminable, this one compares to it.? At least the upward path is 
steeper than the backside.? Now to start seeing improvement.

 ?? The folks out east both reported high humidity and high 
temperatures.? I don't miss summer in either the Midwest or the the 
South; plus, here in the PNW, my allergies don't match the pollen.? East 
of the Rockies I cry and sneeze a lot :)? I do miss January in Wisconsin 
when the air is clear and brisk - snow falling out of a sunny sky.


 ? On 14050.5 kHz at 2200z:

K6XK - Roy - IA

K4JPN - Steve - GA


 ? On 7047.5 kHz at 0000z:

K6PJV - Dale - CA

W6JHB - Jim - CA

K0DTJ - Brian - CA


 ?? Maybe one of those solar streams will enhance the ionosphere. Or we 
could keep waiting for sunspots.


Until next week stay well and 73,

 ?? Kevin.? KD5ONS


-


From rm6aaa at gmail.com  Mon Jul  1 00:30:37 2019
From: rm6aaa at gmail.com (Sergey Zimin)
Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2019 07:30:37 +0300
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft KX4
Message-ID: <984f29da-181f-ca0f-690b-d2a38606fcee@gmail.com>

It is interesting to know: will Elecraft issue a mobile version - KX4?

73! Sergey RM6AA.


From djwilcox01 at yahoo.com  Mon Jul  1 04:45:27 2019
From: djwilcox01 at yahoo.com (David Wilcox)
Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2019 04:45:27 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Fusing power cable on K3
Message-ID: <C6EF0A55-F4F0-47E5-B715-D18B30DDB093@yahoo.com>

I recently purchased a used K3 and am building a short power cord (after the discussion of voltage drop from longer cables).  I noticed that the power cable that came with my IC7000 has fuses in both leads.  Since the K3 has a built in fuse it is still a good idea to put fuses in both sides of the new power cable?  It will be only used in the shack, not mobile.

Dave K8WPE

David J. Wilcox K8WPE?s iPad

From nr4c at widomaker.com  Mon Jul  1 06:16:46 2019
From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c)
Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2019 06:16:46 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft KX4
In-Reply-To: <984f29da-181f-ca0f-690b-d2a38606fcee@gmail.com>
References: <984f29da-181f-ca0f-690b-d2a38606fcee@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <78C9A616-1863-4502-915D-9C50F22574C0@widomaker.com>

Not mentioned so far. 

BTW: What is a ?mobile? version?  They?ve so fa not done this for any other radio. 



Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill


> On Jul 1, 2019, at 12:30 AM, Sergey Zimin <rm6aaa at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> It is interesting to know: will Elecraft issue a mobile version - KX4?
> 
> 73! Sergey RM6AA.
> 
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From k6xk at ncn.net  Mon Jul  1 06:19:46 2019
From: k6xk at ncn.net (Roy Koeppe)
Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2019 05:19:46 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Fusing power cable on K3
In-Reply-To: <C6EF0A55-F4F0-47E5-B715-D18B30DDB093@yahoo.com>
References: <C6EF0A55-F4F0-47E5-B715-D18B30DDB093@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <7A0E959FE1B84602B62B4460C10A0118@ROYKOEPPEHP>

No, fuses have voltage drop both in their elements and contacts. Just what 
you're trying to defeat and avoid.

73,   Roy    K6XK


I recently purchased a used K3 and am building a short power cord (after the 
discussion of voltage drop from longer cables).  I noticed that the power 
cable that came with my IC7000 has fuses in both leads.  Since the K3 has a 
built in fuse it is still a good idea to put fuses in both sides of the new 
power cable?  It will be only used in the shack, not mobile.

Dave K8WPE




From hms4 at lehigh.edu  Mon Jul  1 06:28:55 2019
From: hms4 at lehigh.edu (Howard Sherer)
Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2019 06:28:55 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Remote rig System RRC 1258 MK II Set
Message-ID: <CAFmQ1msqC+-R-ukXGGCYxUnQAQ52msm7fkEE9a-inFwXMNmxSg@mail.gmail.com>

*Remote rig System RRC 1258 MK II Set*Remote Rig interface system RRC 1258
MK II. This is the complete set of both the local and remote interface box
system that can be used to operate remote control of many different radios.
My set is supplied with all of the necessary cables to install with an
Elecraft K3 or K3s but can be used with many different radios.
This system works great to remote into your own system with no computer
required, or access the stations on Remote Ham Radio, or Remote Hams.Perfect
condition $500. Howard Sherer AE3T

From juhakasari at gmail.com  Mon Jul  1 06:30:36 2019
From: juhakasari at gmail.com (Juha - oh6os)
Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2019 03:30:36 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] Help me! Kpa100 broked during lightning
Message-ID: <1561977036441-0.post@n2.nabble.com>

Hello,

Yes, all cables was connected during the first lightning bolt nearby.

Now K2/10W is ok! All work fine, luckily.

But with KPA100:

1) Metering (K2 LED paragraph) do not show anything.
2) I get 10W and 100W output, but can't adjustable power.
3) KPA100 don't talk with computer, yes computers COM port is broken too.
But I tested with another working COM and the same situation; don't work.
4) Pressing TUNE K2 show "0.1  9.9-1" (10W) and 1  1.0-1 (100W).

I replaced D16 and D17 on KPA100. Nothing changed.

juha oh6os

What next



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From rm6aaa at gmail.com  Mon Jul  1 07:09:03 2019
From: rm6aaa at gmail.com (Sergey Zimin)
Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2019 14:09:03 +0300
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft KX4
In-Reply-To: <78C9A616-1863-4502-915D-9C50F22574C0@widomaker.com>
References: <984f29da-181f-ca0f-690b-d2a38606fcee@gmail.com>
	<78C9A616-1863-4502-915D-9C50F22574C0@widomaker.com>
Message-ID: <CABU6eFXeEo57gCF0TUfgU=+s-skwKHzg83wWhbHfXt-eYS7NZg@mail.gmail.com>

I meant the 5-watt version of the k4 with a panadapter in a single package
the size of which is like kx3...


??, 1 ???. 2019 ?., 13:16 Nr4c <nr4c at widomaker.com>:

> Not mentioned so far.
>
> BTW: What is a ?mobile? version?  They?ve so fa not done this for any
> other radio.
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
> ...nr4c. bill
>
>
> > On Jul 1, 2019, at 12:30 AM, Sergey Zimin <rm6aaa at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > It is interesting to know: will Elecraft issue a mobile version - KX4?
> >
> > 73! Sergey RM6AA.
> >
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From rocketnj at gmail.com  Mon Jul  1 07:09:44 2019
From: rocketnj at gmail.com (Dave)
Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2019 07:09:44 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Help me! Kpa100 broked during lightning
In-Reply-To: <1561977036441-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1561977036441-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <2C43467D-FCB5-4440-AE0D-227FD215B63C@gmail.com>

Sounds like the RS-232 chip in the amp may be fried, especially if the PC com port it was connected to fried. 

I?ve seen this in the public safety world. Lightning hit our phone lines coming into a PC at the site and took out every com port (multi port). Also com port on all equipment attached got zapped. 

Not sure what else. I do not own the KPA100 so cannot add anything else. 

Dave wo2x

Sent from my waxed string and tin cans. 

> On Jul 1, 2019, at 6:30 AM, Juha - oh6os <juhakasari at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> Yes, all cables was connected during the first lightning bolt nearby.
> 
> Now K2/10W is ok! All work fine, luckily.
> 
> But with KPA100:
> 
> 1) Metering (K2 LED paragraph) do not show anything.
> 2) I get 10W and 100W output, but can't adjustable power.
> 3) KPA100 don't talk with computer, yes computers COM port is broken too.
> But I tested with another working COM and the same situation; don't work.
> 4) Pressing TUNE K2 show "0.1  9.9-1" (10W) and 1  1.0-1 (100W).
> 
> I replaced D16 and D17 on KPA100. Nothing changed.
> 
> juha oh6os
> 
> What next
> 
> 
> 
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From k2te at juno.com  Mon Jul  1 07:14:56 2019
From: k2te at juno.com (k2te at juno.com)
Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2019 11:14:56 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 data mode fail
Message-ID: <AABQTV45TAYKR2G2@smtpout03.vgs.untd.com>

Skip,

Check your soundcard cable to your Line-in jack.  I had the same problem
occur several times before I discovered the problem was the cable.  I
pressed on it at the line in jack while testing and the power out came
back up.  Same symptoms: no output, RX signals OK, CW and SSB OK. 
Replaced the cable and everything FB now.

73 de Ed

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From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Mon Jul  1 07:17:56 2019
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2019 07:17:56 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Help me! Kpa100 broked during lightning
In-Reply-To: <1561977036441-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1561977036441-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <3b86cb4f-4a7d-0771-3af0-6b546067da10@embarqmail.com>

Juha,

Whenever I had a lightning hit KPA100 to repair, I always replaced all 
the active devices (including all diodes) in the KPA100.
Even if the devices are not currently failing, there is a good chance 
that they have been stressed and will fail later.

If you are using a USB to serial adapter, that was likely damaged too.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 7/1/2019 6:30 AM, Juha - oh6os wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> Yes, all cables was connected during the first lightning bolt nearby.
> 
> Now K2/10W is ok! All work fine, luckily.
> 
> But with KPA100:
> 
> 1) Metering (K2 LED paragraph) do not show anything.
> 2) I get 10W and 100W output, but can't adjustable power.
> 3) KPA100 don't talk with computer, yes computers COM port is broken too.
> But I tested with another working COM and the same situation; don't work.
> 4) Pressing TUNE K2 show "0.1  9.9-1" (10W) and 1  1.0-1 (100W).
> 
> I replaced D16 and D17 on KPA100. Nothing changed.
> 
> juha oh6os
> 

From benton-webb at hotmail.com  Mon Jul  1 07:51:55 2019
From: benton-webb at hotmail.com (Paul Webb)
Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2019 11:51:55 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Digest, Vol 183, Issue
In-Reply-To: <mailman.19444.1561979888.2818.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
References: <mailman.19444.1561979888.2818.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID: <YTXPR0101MB0911F4790DBAEE850B917D3EECF90@YTXPR0101MB0911.CANPRD01.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

FOR SALE:  HF Projects Packer Amp V4, 5 watts in, 35 watts out.  Very nice.  $150 shipped.  Off list Paul Webb



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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: KX3 wattage (Don Wilhelm)
   2. Re: KX3 wattage (hbjr at optilink.us)
   3. Re: Cable for FSK-D (john at kk9a.com)
   4. Re: Cable for FSK-D (Jack Brindle)
   5. Elecraft CW Net Announcement (kevinr)
   6. KPA1500 PSU LED board replacement? (eric norris)
   7. T1 ATU for 200mW WSPRlite (MaverickNH)
   8. Re: T1 ATU for 200mW WSPRlite (Bill Adams)
   9. KX3/PX3/KXPA100 For Sale (John Belstner)
  10. FS: Elecraft K3/P3 (Grant Youngman)
  11. K2: "Pop" when switching certain bands (Jim KO5V)
  12. Fw: K2: "Pop" when switching certain bands (Jim KO5V)
  13. Fw: K2: "Pop" when switching certain bands (Jim KO5V)
  14. Re: T1 ATU for 200mW WSPRlite (MaverickNH)
  15. Re: KPA1500 PSU LED board replacement? (Ken K6MR)
  16. K3 data mode fail (Skip Cameron)
  17. Re: K3 data mode fail (Jim Brown)
  18. Elecraft CW Net Report (kevinr)
  19. Elecraft KX4 (Sergey Zimin)
  20. Fusing power cable on K3 (David Wilcox)
  21. Re: Elecraft KX4 (Nr4c)
  22. Re: Fusing power cable on K3 (Roy Koeppe)
  23. Remote rig System RRC 1258 MK II Set (Howard Sherer)
  24. Help me! Kpa100 broked during lightning (Juha - oh6os)
  25. Re: Elecraft KX4 (Sergey Zimin)
  26. Re: Help me! Kpa100 broked during lightning (Dave)
  27. Re: K3 data mode fail (k2te at juno.com)
  28. Re: Help me! Kpa100 broked during lightning (Don Wilhelm)


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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2019 16:19:19 -0400
From: Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com>
To: JP Douglas <kb1tcd at gmail.com>, elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 wattage
Message-ID: <876bbe60-40b8-99c1-74b9-21964f6a262d at embarqmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed

That gentleman is mistaken unless something happened while I was not
watching, the KX3 does up to 15 watts.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 6/29/2019 4:04 PM, JP Douglas wrote:
> Hi all!
>
> While having a QSO yesterday from my mobile to a QRP station on 20 meters, the gentleman I was chatting with mentioned that the KX3 now does up to 20 watts of power. Never heard this before and wondering if it's true, currently my KX3 does up to 15 watts. I use my KX3 mostly for digital modes; winlink and fldigi but do try voice w/it once in a while.


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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2019 17:12:27 -0400
From: <hbjr at optilink.us>
To: "'Wayne Burdick'" <n6kr at elecraft.com>,      "'JP Douglas'"
        <kb1tcd at gmail.com>
Cc: 'Elecraft Reflector' <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 wattage
Message-ID: <006a01d52ebf$5ad99da0$108cd8e0$@optilink.us>
Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="us-ascii"

If I use a large power supply and turn the KX3 on its side and shake it - I
still only get 15 watts according to my Tird meter (Trusty ole Bird).

Hank

-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On
Behalf Of Wayne Burdick
Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2019 4:15 PM
To: JP Douglas <kb1tcd at gmail.com>
Cc: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 wattage

Not.

Wayne


> On Jun 29, 2019, at 1:04 PM, JP Douglas <kb1tcd at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi all!
>
> While having a QSO yesterday from my mobile to a QRP station on 20 meters,
the gentleman I was chatting with mentioned that the KX3 now does up to 20
watts of power. Never heard this before and wondering if it's true,
currently my KX3 does up to 15 watts. I use my KX3 mostly for digital modes;
winlink and fldigi but do try voice w/it once in a while.
>
> Thanks and 73 de Jose Douglas KB1TCD, Midcoast ME



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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2019 16:41:38 -0500
From: john at kk9a.com
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Cable for FSK-D
Message-ID:
        <20190629164138.Horde.4WuIlhslS1rEjP4U3hQjkV6 at www11.qth.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed; DelSp=Yes

I use a MicroHAM DigiKeyerII with a premade cable for my K3S on FSK
RTTY. http://microham-usa.com/store/product-info.php?pid2.html  It is
close to plug and play and it has worked well for me.

John KK9A - W4AAA




Kevin, N4TT wrote:

I'd like to use FSK-D. I've read over the options and would like to use a
USB to ACC cable. The ACC socket on the K3s is being used by the KPA/KAT
combo.

Is there an off-the-shelf kit of cables/interrupters I can get that would
be plug-n-play for FSK-D on a K3s + KAT + KPA?

73,
Kev N4TT



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Message: 4
Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2019 15:54:47 -0700
From: Jack Brindle <jackbrindle at me.com>
To: "Kevin, N4TT" <kkinderen at gmail.com>
Cc: Elecraft Reflector Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Cable for FSK-D
Message-ID: <5B1C6FDF-5B63-4CB7-9BA0-C211797AD3C7 at me.com>
Content-Type: text/plain;       charset=utf-8

A Mortty will do a great job of conveying the ASCII data stream to Baudot, generating the FSK data you need.
Then, take a look at N6TV?s Y-Box for an easy way to connect the data into the Aux IO connections.

The Mortty is $18, available at: http://hamprojects.info/mortty/ <http://hamprojects.info/mortty/>
Go to: https://www.kkn.net/~n6tv/Y-BOX/ <https://www.kkn.net/~n6tv/Y-BOX/>
for info on the Y-Box

73!
Jack, W6FB

> On Jun 29, 2019, at 11:28 AM, Kevin, N4TT <kkinderen at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I'd like to use FSK-D. I've read over the options and would like to use a
> USB to ACC cable. The ACC socket on the K3s is being used by the KPA/KAT
> combo.
>
> Is there an off-the-shelf kit of cables/interrupters I can get that would
> be plug-n-play for FSK-D on a K3s + KAT + KPA?
>
> 73,
> Kev N4TT
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Message: 5
Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2019 20:02:41 -0700
From: kevinr <kevinr at coho.net>
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Announcement
Message-ID: <a5659f11-34e5-7dde-cb3d-4494d808447f at coho.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed

Good Evening,

 ?? The annual Field Day hiatus has passed.? It has been cool and wet.?
But, then, it is not yet officially summer in Oregon.? For that you have
to wait until after July 4th.? However, the loggers have been very
active.? They're clearing the other side of the top of this mountain.?
Each morning they are a little closer.? Luckily they don't get noisy
until just before dawn.? The cool weather lets them work longer each day
so they will be done sooner.? Then I can sleep again.

 ?? The sun did have a couple tiny sunspots this week.? Broke the streak
of 30+ spotless days.? We are between solar wind streams so the
background noise should be less; at least from the space side of
things.? Summer thunderstorms are even funneling down the Columbia River
valley.? That reminds me I need to reattach my antennas.? Lightning
strikes so rarely here that I unscrew them once a year or less.


Please join us on:

14050 kHz at 2200z Sunday (3 PM PDT Sunday)
 ?7047 kHz at 0000z Monday (5 PM PDT Sunday)

73,
Kevin. KD5ONS




Let a man walk alone, with few wishes, like an elephant in the forest.
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Message: 6
Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2019 06:04:59 +0000 (UTC)
From: eric norris <gliderboy1955 at yahoo.com>
To: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 PSU LED board replacement?
Message-ID: <1655123778.835723.1561874699257 at mail.yahoo.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8

Does anyone have the instructions for this, or is it obvious?
Thanks
73 Eric WD6DBM

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android

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Message: 7
Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2019 05:46:23 -0700 (MST)
From: MaverickNH <cbjesseeNH at comcast.net>
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] T1 ATU for 200mW WSPRlite
Message-ID: <1561898783617-0.post at n2.nabble.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

I'm planning to do some camping and will bring along a KX3Helper EndFed 40-6m
antenna with 9:1 Unan, T1 ATU and SOTAbeams WSPRlite to run on 30m from a
USB battery bank.

The T1 requires 0.5W to tune but the WSPRlite output is 0.2W. Any thoughts
on options other than tuning up with another radio (like KX2 w/o ATU)?

BRET/N4SRN



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Message: 8
Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2019 10:41:48 -0500
From: Bill Adams <af4b at att.net>
To: MaverickNH <cbjesseeNH at comcast.net>,         "elecraft at mailman.qth.net"
        <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] T1 ATU for 200mW WSPRlite
Message-ID: <mailman.19445.1561979888.2818.elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

Bret

I assume from your gear list that the 30 meter WSPRlite is the only transmitter. In that case, a resonant 30 meter antenna either a center fed dipole, a ? wave vertical with radials or an end fed ? wavelength wire with a L match should satisfy the antenna requirement.

Bill AF4B

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From: MaverickNH
Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2019 7:47 AM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] T1 ATU for 200mW WSPRlite

I'm planning to do some camping and will bring along a KX3Helper EndFed 40-6m
antenna with 9:1 Unan, T1 ATU and SOTAbeams WSPRlite to run on 30m from a
USB battery bank.

The T1 requires 0.5W to tune but the WSPRlite output is 0.2W. Any thoughts
on options other than tuning up with another radio (like KX2 w/o ATU)?

BRET/N4SRN



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Message: 9
Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2019 12:31:34 -0700
From: John Belstner <jbelstner at gmail.com>
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3/PX3/KXPA100 For Sale
Message-ID:
        <CAJM3DS3fJm1xyRR-knHvoCgKJgqtf0qYNBncXfWeaqExo=awZg at mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"

I have the following for sale...

KX3 - #1410 (with 2M module)
PX3 - #2651
KXPA100 - #1093
SignaLink USB
A pair of 9.8 Ah Super polymer Lithium-ion Battery Packs (new)
A pair of SeaHorse (Pelican "like") cases
All cables and manuals

My plans to operate portable never happened.  Equipment was only ever used
in the shack.  Please contact me *off list *if interested and I can send
pictures.

73, John W9EN


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Message: 10
Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2019 16:10:38 -0400
From: Grant Youngman <ghyoungman at gmail.com>
To: eric norris via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: [Elecraft] FS: Elecraft K3/P3
Message-ID: <9C9EEFE6-051B-4388-9674-6CEA15F077E3 at gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain;       charset=us-ascii

Since I currently have no reasonable solutions for fixed station operation and am primarily KX3-portable, I have reluctantly decided to part with my K3 and P3

The K3 is fully featured and updated.  The P3 has both SVGA and TXMON options installed.  The K3 was back at Elecraft in October 2018 for a health check and it is operating fully to specifications.  Both units are in as-new physical condition (well, there might be some dust).

The specifics of the radio, options, updates, etc. can be found here:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1lOUwAigCL3lXVDASYb9i5BkKFWGFKDsw/view?usp=sharing

Photos are here:
https://flic.kr/s/aHsmEE9gX4

I am asking $4300 including shipping (UPS, CONUS) in Elecraft shipping cartons.

Please respond off-list with questions, interest, etc.

Thanks ..
Grant NQ5T
K3 #2091 KX3 #8342



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Message: 11
Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2019 14:55:08 -0600 (GMT-06:00)
From: Jim KO5V <ko5v at earthlink.net>
To: Elecraft List <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: [Elecraft] K2: "Pop" when switching certain bands
Message-ID:
        <755539446.3711.1561928108586 at wamui-aurora.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8

Good Afternoon,

Today I noticed a "pop" on the audio of my K2 when I changed in and out 15M, so I checked the switching on all bands:

When changing from 15M to 12M or 17M it is fairly loud. Changing from 12M or 17M to 15M causes a fainter "pop". A much more attenuated "pop" happens when changing from 14M to 10M, and also from 10M back to 14m.

Also, on 15M, when changing from VFO B to VFO A I hear a loud "pop", but it does not happen going from A to B.

The fainter "pops" might have always been there, but the ones on 15M are loud enough to cause the clip light on my DSP to turn red.

I wonder if it has something to do with diodes across relays, or the relays themselves.

Any more ideas?  Thanks in advance.

73, Jim KO5V



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Message: 12
Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2019 14:59:48 -0600 (GMT-06:00)
From: Jim KO5V <ko5v at earthlink.net>
To: Elecraft List <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: [Elecraft] Fw: K2: "Pop" when switching certain bands
Message-ID:
        <1512456700.3773.1561928388245 at wamui-aurora.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8

I forgot to mention that the K2 is connected to my KPA100, so I'll recheck it without the amp.

73, Jim KO5V

-----Forwarded Message-----
>From: Jim KO5V <ko5v at earthlink.net>
>Sent: Jun 30, 2019 2:55 PM
>To: Elecraft List <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
>Subject: K2: "Pop" when switching certain bands
>
>Good Afternoon,
>
>Today I noticed a "pop" on the audio of my K2 when I changed in and out 15M, so I checked the switching on all bands:
>
>When changing from 15M to 12M or 17M it is fairly loud. Changing from 12M or 17M to 15M causes a fainter "pop". A much more attenuated "pop" happens when changing from 14M to 10M, and also from 10M back to 14m.
>
>Also, on 15M, when changing from VFO B to VFO A I hear a loud "pop", but it does not happen going from A to B.
>
>The fainter "pops" might have always been there, but the ones on 15M are loud enough to cause the clip light on my DSP to turn red.
>
>I wonder if it has something to do with diodes across relays, or the relays themselves.
>
>Any more ideas?  Thanks in advance.
>
>73, Jim KO5V
>


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Message: 13
Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2019 15:05:21 -0600 (GMT-06:00)
From: Jim KO5V <ko5v at earthlink.net>
To: Elecraft List <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: [Elecraft] Fw: K2: "Pop" when switching certain bands
Message-ID:
        <1048002924.3843.1561928721899 at wamui-aurora.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8

OK, it's the base K2, and the loudest "pop" happens when switching from VFO B to VFO A on 15M.

Sorry, I should have waited 5 minutes before sending the last email...

Thanks. Jim


-----Forwarded Message-----
>From: Jim KO5V <ko5v at earthlink.net>
>Sent: Jun 30, 2019 2:59 PM
>To: Elecraft List <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
>Subject: Fw: K2: "Pop" when switching certain bands
>
>I forgot to mention that the K2 is connected to my KPA100, so I'll recheck it without the amp.
>
>73, Jim KO5V
>
>-----Forwarded Message-----
>>From: Jim KO5V <ko5v at earthlink.net>
>>Sent: Jun 30, 2019 2:55 PM
>>To: Elecraft List <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
>>Subject: K2: "Pop" when switching certain bands
>>
>>Good Afternoon,
>>
>>Today I noticed a "pop" on the audio of my K2 when I changed in and out 15M, so I checked the switching on all bands:
>>
>>When changing from 15M to 12M or 17M it is fairly loud. Changing from 12M or 17M to 15M causes a fainter "pop". A much more attenuated "pop" happens when changing from 14M to 10M, and also from 10M back to 14m.
>>
>>Also, on 15M, when changing from VFO B to VFO A I hear a loud "pop", but it does not happen going from A to B.
>>
>>The fainter "pops" might have always been there, but the ones on 15M are loud enough to cause the clip light on my DSP to turn red.
>>
>>I wonder if it has something to do with diodes across relays, or the relays themselves.
>>
>>Any more ideas?  Thanks in advance.
>>
>>73, Jim KO5V
>>


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Message: 14
Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2019 14:55:37 -0700 (MST)
From: MaverickNH <cbjesseeNH at comcast.net>
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] T1 ATU for 200mW WSPRlite
Message-ID: <1561931737059-0.post at n2.nabble.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

Thanks Bill, but I wasn't clear the options I was looking for were how to use
he T1 with the EndFed antenna I have with the WSPRlite, given that the T1
requires 0.5W and the WSPRlite outputs only 0.2W. Odd as it sounds, I'm
looking for an "amplifier" to switch in to bump 10-25 fold to 2-5W as the T1
likes 2-5W for initial tune cycle and 0.5W thereafter.

The T1 has latching relays so it seems I *could* tune with a KX2 and then
swap in the WSPRlite - so that's the backup plan.

BRET/N4SRN





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Message: 15
Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2019 22:34:46 +0000
From: Ken K6MR <k6mr at outlook.com>
To: "gliderboy1955 at yahoo.com" <gliderboy1955 at yahoo.com>, Elecraft
        Reflector       <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA1500 PSU LED board replacement?
Message-ID:
        <BYAPR07MB621459559849CF1D48B59F169EFE0 at BYAPR07MB6214.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>

Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252"

I pulled mine out a while back to understand the fan circuit and it?s pretty obvious.  Just make a diagram of the connectors so you don?t accidentally swap one.



Ken K6MR



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Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2019 11:04:59 PM
To: Elecraft Reflector
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 PSU LED board replacement?

Does anyone have the instructions for this, or is it obvious?
Thanks
73 Eric WD6DBM

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Message: 16
Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2019 22:43:09 -0500
From: Skip Cameron <scameron39 at gmail.com>
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 data mode fail
Message-ID:
        <CAH=YJo4BQnkqqU3HfuMJePoLc_K8e+tJ6YVO8orjv6TbtwGzyQ at mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"

While using my K3 in data A mode with wsjt-x software on 6M, TX stopped,
and other data modes also have no TX output. RX remains OK, and CW and SSB
TX & RX still work OK.
  Need suggestions on diagnosis or reset process. Direct replies off list
are OK. Thanks, Skip W5GAI


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Message: 17
Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2019 21:03:18 -0700
From: Jim Brown <jim at audiosystemsgroup.com>
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 data mode fail
Message-ID:
        <68fe3ce8-f36e-3b41-fb36-e9730bcff0f3 at audiosystemsgroup.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed

On 6/30/2019 8:43 PM, Skip Cameron wrote:
> Need suggestions on diagnosis or reset process.

VOX settings?? Level changes?? Windoze updates screwing with sound card
settings or choices?

73, Jim K9YC




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Message: 18
Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2019 21:19:31 -0700
From: kevinr <kevinr at coho.net>
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Report
Message-ID: <8d15a4f0-5506-1af9-9796-d50218166c99 at coho.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed

Good Evening,

 ?? Conditions were poor.? QSB was deep.? But the thunderstorm noise was
not too bad.? I remember the bottom of the last cycle seemed
interminable, this one compares to it.? At least the upward path is
steeper than the backside.? Now to start seeing improvement.

 ?? The folks out east both reported high humidity and high
temperatures.? I don't miss summer in either the Midwest or the the
South; plus, here in the PNW, my allergies don't match the pollen.? East
of the Rockies I cry and sneeze a lot :)? I do miss January in Wisconsin
when the air is clear and brisk - snow falling out of a sunny sky.


 ? On 14050.5 kHz at 2200z:

K6XK - Roy - IA

K4JPN - Steve - GA


 ? On 7047.5 kHz at 0000z:

K6PJV - Dale - CA

W6JHB - Jim - CA

K0DTJ - Brian - CA


 ?? Maybe one of those solar streams will enhance the ionosphere. Or we
could keep waiting for sunspots.


Until next week stay well and 73,

 ?? Kevin.? KD5ONS


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Message: 19
Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2019 07:30:37 +0300
From: Sergey Zimin <rm6aaa at gmail.com>
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft KX4
Message-ID: <984f29da-181f-ca0f-690b-d2a38606fcee at gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed

It is interesting to know: will Elecraft issue a mobile version - KX4?

73! Sergey RM6AA.



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Message: 20
Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2019 04:45:27 -0400
From: David Wilcox <djwilcox01 at yahoo.com>
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] Fusing power cable on K3
Message-ID: <C6EF0A55-F4F0-47E5-B715-D18B30DDB093 at yahoo.com>
Content-Type: text/plain;       charset=utf-8

I recently purchased a used K3 and am building a short power cord (after the discussion of voltage drop from longer cables).  I noticed that the power cable that came with my IC7000 has fuses in both leads.  Since the K3 has a built in fuse it is still a good idea to put fuses in both sides of the new power cable?  It will be only used in the shack, not mobile.

Dave K8WPE

David J. Wilcox K8WPE?s iPad


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Message: 21
Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2019 06:16:46 -0400
From: Nr4c <nr4c at widomaker.com>
To: Sergey Zimin <rm6aaa at gmail.com>
Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft KX4
Message-ID: <78C9A616-1863-4502-915D-9C50F22574C0 at widomaker.com>
Content-Type: text/plain;       charset=utf-8

Not mentioned so far.

BTW: What is a ?mobile? version?  They?ve so fa not done this for any other radio.



Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill


> On Jul 1, 2019, at 12:30 AM, Sergey Zimin <rm6aaa at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> It is interesting to know: will Elecraft issue a mobile version - KX4?
>
> 73! Sergey RM6AA.
>
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Message: 22
Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2019 05:19:46 -0500
From: "Roy Koeppe" <k6xk at ncn.net>
To: <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Fusing power cable on K3
Message-ID: <7A0E959FE1B84602B62B4460C10A0118 at ROYKOEPPEHP>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="UTF-8";
        reply-type=original

No, fuses have voltage drop both in their elements and contacts. Just what
you're trying to defeat and avoid.

73,   Roy    K6XK


I recently purchased a used K3 and am building a short power cord (after the
discussion of voltage drop from longer cables).  I noticed that the power
cable that came with my IC7000 has fuses in both leads.  Since the K3 has a
built in fuse it is still a good idea to put fuses in both sides of the new
power cable?  It will be only used in the shack, not mobile.

Dave K8WPE





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Message: 23
Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2019 06:28:55 -0400
From: Howard Sherer <hms4 at lehigh.edu>
To: elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: [Elecraft] Remote rig System RRC 1258 MK II Set
Message-ID:
        <CAFmQ1msqC+-R-ukXGGCYxUnQAQ52msm7fkEE9a-inFwXMNmxSg at mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"

*Remote rig System RRC 1258 MK II Set*Remote Rig interface system RRC 1258
MK II. This is the complete set of both the local and remote interface box
system that can be used to operate remote control of many different radios.
My set is supplied with all of the necessary cables to install with an
Elecraft K3 or K3s but can be used with many different radios.
This system works great to remote into your own system with no computer
required, or access the stations on Remote Ham Radio, or Remote Hams.Perfect
condition $500. Howard Sherer AE3T


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Message: 24
Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2019 03:30:36 -0700 (MST)
From: Juha - oh6os <juhakasari at gmail.com>
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] Help me! Kpa100 broked during lightning
Message-ID: <1561977036441-0.post at n2.nabble.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

Hello,

Yes, all cables was connected during the first lightning bolt nearby.

Now K2/10W is ok! All work fine, luckily.

But with KPA100:

1) Metering (K2 LED paragraph) do not show anything.
2) I get 10W and 100W output, but can't adjustable power.
3) KPA100 don't talk with computer, yes computers COM port is broken too.
But I tested with another working COM and the same situation; don't work.
4) Pressing TUNE K2 show "0.1  9.9-1" (10W) and 1  1.0-1 (100W).

I replaced D16 and D17 on KPA100. Nothing changed.

juha oh6os

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Message: 25
Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2019 14:09:03 +0300
From: Sergey Zimin <rm6aaa at gmail.com>
To: Nr4c <nr4c at widomaker.com>
Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft KX4
Message-ID:
        <CABU6eFXeEo57gCF0TUfgU=+s-skwKHzg83wWhbHfXt-eYS7NZg at mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"

I meant the 5-watt version of the k4 with a panadapter in a single package
the size of which is like kx3...


??, 1 ???. 2019 ?., 13:16 Nr4c <nr4c at widomaker.com>:

> Not mentioned so far.
>
> BTW: What is a ?mobile? version?  They?ve so fa not done this for any
> other radio.
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
> ...nr4c. bill
>
>
> > On Jul 1, 2019, at 12:30 AM, Sergey Zimin <rm6aaa at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > It is interesting to know: will Elecraft issue a mobile version - KX4?
> >
> > 73! Sergey RM6AA.
> >
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Message: 26
Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2019 07:09:44 -0400
From: Dave <rocketnj at gmail.com>
To: Juha - oh6os <juhakasari at gmail.com>
Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Help me! Kpa100 broked during lightning
Message-ID: <2C43467D-FCB5-4440-AE0D-227FD215B63C at gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain;       charset=utf-8

Sounds like the RS-232 chip in the amp may be fried, especially if the PC com port it was connected to fried.

I?ve seen this in the public safety world. Lightning hit our phone lines coming into a PC at the site and took out every com port (multi port). Also com port on all equipment attached got zapped.

Not sure what else. I do not own the KPA100 so cannot add anything else.

Dave wo2x

Sent from my waxed string and tin cans.

> On Jul 1, 2019, at 6:30 AM, Juha - oh6os <juhakasari at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> Yes, all cables was connected during the first lightning bolt nearby.
>
> Now K2/10W is ok! All work fine, luckily.
>
> But with KPA100:
>
> 1) Metering (K2 LED paragraph) do not show anything.
> 2) I get 10W and 100W output, but can't adjustable power.
> 3) KPA100 don't talk with computer, yes computers COM port is broken too.
> But I tested with another working COM and the same situation; don't work.
> 4) Pressing TUNE K2 show "0.1  9.9-1" (10W) and 1  1.0-1 (100W).
>
> I replaced D16 and D17 on KPA100. Nothing changed.
>
> juha oh6os
>
> What next
>
>
>
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Message: 27
Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2019 11:14:56 +0000
From: <k2te at juno.com>
To: scameron39 at gmail.com
Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 data mode fail
Message-ID: <AABQTV45TAYKR2G2 at smtpout03.vgs.untd.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

Skip,

Check your soundcard cable to your Line-in jack.  I had the same problem
occur several times before I discovered the problem was the cable.  I
pressed on it at the line in jack while testing and the power out came
back up.  Same symptoms: no output, RX signals OK, CW and SSB OK.
Replaced the cable and everything FB now.

73 de Ed

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Message: 28
Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2019 07:17:56 -0400
From: Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com>
To: Juha - oh6os <juhakasari at gmail.com>, elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Help me! Kpa100 broked during lightning
Message-ID: <3b86cb4f-4a7d-0771-3af0-6b546067da10 at embarqmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed

Juha,

Whenever I had a lightning hit KPA100 to repair, I always replaced all
the active devices (including all diodes) in the KPA100.
Even if the devices are not currently failing, there is a good chance
that they have been stressed and will fail later.

If you are using a USB to serial adapter, that was likely damaged too.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 7/1/2019 6:30 AM, Juha - oh6os wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Yes, all cables was connected during the first lightning bolt nearby.
>
> Now K2/10W is ok! All work fine, luckily.
>
> But with KPA100:
>
> 1) Metering (K2 LED paragraph) do not show anything.
> 2) I get 10W and 100W output, but can't adjustable power.
> 3) KPA100 don't talk with computer, yes computers COM port is broken too.
> But I tested with another working COM and the same situation; don't work.
> 4) Pressing TUNE K2 show "0.1  9.9-1" (10W) and 1  1.0-1 (100W).
>
> I replaced D16 and D17 on KPA100. Nothing changed.
>
> juha oh6os
>


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From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Mon Jul  1 08:26:26 2019
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2019 07:26:26 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Fusing power cable on K3
In-Reply-To: <C6EF0A55-F4F0-47E5-B715-D18B30DDB093@yahoo.com>
References: <C6EF0A55-F4F0-47E5-B715-D18B30DDB093@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <95d51cd8-e184-5105-88f4-91a9b8236c7f@blomand.net>

Since it is only to be used not mobile, I would not add a fuse to the 
power cord.?? It only adds a few tenths ohms but it still is added R 
that isn't needed.

As to ICOM, any radio that is used mobile should be fused in the DC Pos 
and DC Neg leads.

73

Bob, K4TAX

On 7/1/2019 3:45 AM, David Wilcox via Elecraft wrote:
> I recently purchased a used K3 and am building a short power cord (after the discussion of voltage drop from longer cables).  I noticed that the power cable that came with my IC7000 has fuses in both leads.  Since the K3 has a built in fuse it is still a good idea to put fuses in both sides of the new power cable?  It will be only used in the shack, not mobile.
>
> Dave K8WPE
>
> David J. Wilcox K8WPE?s iPad
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From johnae5x at gmail.com  Mon Jul  1 09:03:33 2019
From: johnae5x at gmail.com (John Harper)
Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2019 08:03:33 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft]  Elecraft KX4
Message-ID: <CAPHmH=Oef6tQ_OP9+jM=+uiiTgoZAUdC6APv0N3BQZbNiuD4RA@mail.gmail.com>

I recently bought a mcHF (a real one, not a clone) and, as much as I like
it, I wish Elecraft would make a similar radio.

The main advantages of a mcHF over anything else out there are its built-in
panadapter and its one-cable connection to a PC for digital modes. No PC
required for SSB, CW or PSK31.

The KX2 and mcHF are of a similar size and are shown together here for
comparison:
http://ae5x.blogspot.com/2019/05/comparing-mchf-and-kx2.html

Disadvantages of the mcHF - and where an Elecraft (KX4) would shine - are
in support and documentation. I hope we'll see a KX4 soon, with all the
Elecraft advantages and none of the mcHF's shortcomings.

John AE5X

From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Mon Jul  1 09:21:01 2019
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2019 09:21:01 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft KX4
In-Reply-To: <CABU6eFXeEo57gCF0TUfgU=+s-skwKHzg83wWhbHfXt-eYS7NZg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <984f29da-181f-ca0f-690b-d2a38606fcee@gmail.com>
	<78C9A616-1863-4502-915D-9C50F22574C0@widomaker.com>
	<CABU6eFXeEo57gCF0TUfgU=+s-skwKHzg83wWhbHfXt-eYS7NZg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2b4cc3b2-cd30-4b3d-d690-3039b7d1ebea@embarqmail.com>

May I suggest that any Mobile (meaning mounted in a vehicle) transceiver 
NOT have a touchscreen or panadapter.
It can create additional distracted driver problems, and we have enough 
of that already with automotive touchscreens, navigation systems, and 
the like.

I for one do not operate mobile - my eyes and attention need to be on 
the road and not some device in the vehicle.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 7/1/2019 7:09 AM, Sergey Zimin wrote:
> I meant the 5-watt version of the k4 with a panadapter in a single package
> the size of which is like kx3...
> 
> 
> ??, 1 ???. 2019 ?., 13:16 Nr4c <nr4c at widomaker.com>:
> 
>> Not mentioned so far.
>>
>> BTW: What is a ?mobile? version?  They?ve so fa not done this for any
>> other radio.
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> ...nr4c. bill
>>
>>
>>> On Jul 1, 2019, at 12:30 AM, Sergey Zimin <rm6aaa at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> It is interesting to know: will Elecraft issue a mobile version - KX4?

From kengkopp at gmail.com  Mon Jul  1 09:24:43 2019
From: kengkopp at gmail.com (Ken G Kopp)
Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2019 07:24:43 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Distracted driving
In-Reply-To: <2b4cc3b2-cd30-4b3d-d690-3039b7d1ebea@embarqmail.com>
References: <984f29da-181f-ca0f-690b-d2a38606fcee@gmail.com>
	<78C9A616-1863-4502-915D-9C50F22574C0@widomaker.com>
	<CABU6eFXeEo57gCF0TUfgU=+s-skwKHzg83wWhbHfXt-eYS7NZg@mail.gmail.com>
	<2b4cc3b2-cd30-4b3d-d690-3039b7d1ebea@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAD4CdTPU1WbYXG0VZqq0FiLuGqhXq8gETQkLwPbf1DyLHvbg_A@mail.gmail.com>

Well said, Don ...

73

K0PP

On Mon, Jul 1, 2019, 07:21 Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com> wrote:

> May I suggest that any Mobile (meaning mounted in a vehicle) transceiver
> NOT have a touchscreen or panadapter.
> It can create additional distracted driver problems, and we have enough
> of that already with automotive touchscreens, navigation systems, and
> the like.
>
> I for one do not operate mobile - my eyes and attention need to be on
> the road and not some device in the vehicle.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 7/1/2019 7:09 AM, Sergey Zimin wrote:
> > I meant the 5-watt version of the k4 with a panadapter in a single
> package
> > the size of which is like kx3...
> >
> >
> > ??, 1 ???. 2019 ?., 13:16 Nr4c <nr4c at widomaker.com>:
> >
> >> Not mentioned so far.
> >>
> >> BTW: What is a ?mobile? version?  They?ve so fa not done this for any
> >> other radio.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >> ...nr4c. bill
> >>
> >>
> >>> On Jul 1, 2019, at 12:30 AM, Sergey Zimin <rm6aaa at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> It is interesting to know: will Elecraft issue a mobile version - KX4?
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From llachow at gmail.com  Mon Jul  1 09:25:39 2019
From: llachow at gmail.com (LL)
Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2019 09:25:39 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K1 4-band board wanted
Message-ID: <CAGx7+ZT19-WX0z47Pj1Zj8zyOriC9JHVzmhMhPorjmNQh3EMYw@mail.gmail.com>

I'm acquiring a K1 with ATU, 30 and 40. Really would love to have 20 and 80.

If nothing else, I might be interested in seeing if it's possible to rework
the existing board for 20, instead of 30.

Is it possible to have four bands on two boards - that is, not on a
four-band board?
might it be possible to swap them out to switch bands, if needed, and only
two-band boards are available?

Thanks.

From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Mon Jul  1 09:35:34 2019
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2019 09:35:34 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K1 4-band board wanted
In-Reply-To: <CAGx7+ZT19-WX0z47Pj1Zj8zyOriC9JHVzmhMhPorjmNQh3EMYw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGx7+ZT19-WX0z47Pj1Zj8zyOriC9JHVzmhMhPorjmNQh3EMYw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2932acdc-b187-966a-64b1-8da5f878929e@embarqmail.com>

Lloyd,

Elecraft does still have some band kits for the 2 band board.  Order the 
kit for the band you wish to switch to.
There are no new 2 band boards available from Elecraft.

Yes, if you can find another 2 band board, you can change the band 
boards easily.  The K1 will remember the OPF offsets for up to 6 bands. 
You only need to change the board and set the "b1" and "b2" menu 
parameters to match the bands of the boards in use.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 7/1/2019 9:25 AM, LL wrote:
> I'm acquiring a K1 with ATU, 30 and 40. Really would love to have 20 and 80.
> 
> If nothing else, I might be interested in seeing if it's possible to rework
> the existing board for 20, instead of 30.
> 
> Is it possible to have four bands on two boards - that is, not on a
> four-band board?
> might it be possible to swap them out to switch bands, if needed, and only
> two-band boards are available?

From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Mon Jul  1 10:00:45 2019
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2019 10:00:45 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K2: "Pop" when switching certain bands
In-Reply-To: <755539446.3711.1561928108586@wamui-aurora.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <755539446.3711.1561928108586@wamui-aurora.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <45b84b57-74ac-9422-a7fa-4104dd88f08f@embarqmail.com>

Jim,

Do you have 8R Hold turned on?  If not, set it on.

Remove that external DSP speaker and see if you still have objectional pops.

Do you have the KDSP2 installed?  On older K2s with the older KPA100 
installed, you can experience some harmless "pops", especially if you 
have the DSP NR turned on.

The number of relays which are switched during a band change varies 
depending on which bands you are coming from and going to - so relay 
clicking is normal.

You might want to check RF Board Q23 to be sure it is working.  The 
voltages during receive and transmit should be as shown in the DC 
voltage tables.

73,
Don W3FPR


On 6/30/2019 4:55 PM, Jim KO5V wrote:
> Good Afternoon,
> 
> Today I noticed a "pop" on the audio of my K2 when I changed in and out 15M, so I checked the switching on all bands:
> 
> When changing from 15M to 12M or 17M it is fairly loud. Changing from 12M or 17M to 15M causes a fainter "pop". A much more attenuated "pop" happens when changing from 14M to 10M, and also from 10M back to 14m.
> 
> Also, on 15M, when changing from VFO B to VFO A I hear a loud "pop", but it does not happen going from A to B.
> 
> The fainter "pops" might have always been there, but the ones on 15M are loud enough to cause the clip light on my DSP to turn red.
> 
> I wonder if it has something to do with diodes across relays, or the relays themselves.
> 
> Any more ideas?  Thanks in advance.
> 
> 73, Jim KO5V
> 
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From KY5G at montac.com  Mon Jul  1 10:48:30 2019
From: KY5G at montac.com (Clay Autery)
Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2019 09:48:30 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft KX4
In-Reply-To: <2b4cc3b2-cd30-4b3d-d690-3039b7d1ebea@embarqmail.com>
References: <984f29da-181f-ca0f-690b-d2a38606fcee@gmail.com>
	<78C9A616-1863-4502-915D-9C50F22574C0@widomaker.com>
	<CABU6eFXeEo57gCF0TUfgU=+s-skwKHzg83wWhbHfXt-eYS7NZg@mail.gmail.com>
	<2b4cc3b2-cd30-4b3d-d690-3039b7d1ebea@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <4e45009d-d23b-bb88-acbc-9b029df1b67c@montac.com>

Do NOT "Nanny State" the design of the radio....? As a compromise, put 
in a firmware option that turns the panadapter OFF while the vehicle is 
in motion or something like that.? But even THEN, make it where the 
OWNER of the radio may affirmatively take action to disable this 
nanny-state-like "feature".? SOME folks are trained for and perfectly 
capable of driving and operating radios at the same time....

73,

______________________
Clay Autery, KY5G
(318) 518-1389

On 01-Jul-19 08:21, Don Wilhelm wrote:
> May I suggest that any Mobile (meaning mounted in a vehicle) 
> transceiver NOT have a touchscreen or panadapter.
> It can create additional distracted driver problems, and we have 
> enough of that already with automotive touchscreens, navigation 
> systems, and the like.
>
> I for one do not operate mobile - my eyes and attention need to be on 
> the road and not some device in the vehicle.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 7/1/2019 7:09 AM, Sergey Zimin wrote:
>> I meant the 5-watt version of the k4 with a panadapter in a single 
>> package
>> the size of which is like kx3...
>>
>>
>> ??, 1 ???. 2019 ?., 13:16 Nr4c <nr4c at widomaker.com>:
>>
>>> Not mentioned so far.
>>>
>>> BTW: What is a ?mobile? version?? They?ve so fa not done this for any
>>> other radio.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> ...nr4c. bill
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Jul 1, 2019, at 12:30 AM, Sergey Zimin <rm6aaa at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> It is interesting to know: will Elecraft issue a mobile version - KX4?
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From Andy at rickham.net  Mon Jul  1 10:55:53 2019
From: Andy at rickham.net (Andy McMullin)
Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2019 15:55:53 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft KX4
In-Reply-To: <4e45009d-d23b-bb88-acbc-9b029df1b67c@montac.com>
References: <984f29da-181f-ca0f-690b-d2a38606fcee@gmail.com>
	<78C9A616-1863-4502-915D-9C50F22574C0@widomaker.com>
	<CABU6eFXeEo57gCF0TUfgU=+s-skwKHzg83wWhbHfXt-eYS7NZg@mail.gmail.com>
	<2b4cc3b2-cd30-4b3d-d690-3039b7d1ebea@embarqmail.com>
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Message-ID: <60F42AC0-C169-4531-8302-2A1D58C34B20@rickham.net>

And some of us operate from the passenger seat while the driver is doing all that complicated stuff!

Andy, G8TQH 

Sent from my iPhone

> On 1 Jul 2019, at 15:48, Clay Autery <KY5G at montac.com> wrote:
> 
> Do NOT "Nanny State" the design of the radio....  As a compromise, put in a firmware option that turns the panadapter OFF while the vehicle is in motion or something like that.  But even THEN, make it where the OWNER of the radio may affirmatively take action to disable this nanny-state-like "feature".  SOME folks are trained for and perfectly capable of driving and operating radios at the same time....
> 
> 73,
> 
> ______________________
> Clay Autery, KY5G
> (318) 518-1389
> 
>> On 01-Jul-19 08:21, Don Wilhelm wrote:
>> May I suggest that any Mobile (meaning mounted in a vehicle) transceiver NOT have a touchscreen or panadapter.
>> It can create additional distracted driver problems, and we have enough of that already with automotive touchscreens, navigation systems, and the like.
>> 
>> I for one do not operate mobile - my eyes and attention need to be on the road and not some device in the vehicle.
>> 
>> 73,
>> Don W3FPR
>> 
>>> On 7/1/2019 7:09 AM, Sergey Zimin wrote:
>>> I meant the 5-watt version of the k4 with a panadapter in a single package
>>> the size of which is like kx3...
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ??, 1 ???. 2019 ?., 13:16 Nr4c <nr4c at widomaker.com>:
>>> 
>>>> Not mentioned so far.
>>>> 
>>>> BTW: What is a ?mobile? version?  They?ve so fa not done this for any
>>>> other radio.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> ...nr4c. bill
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jul 1, 2019, at 12:30 AM, Sergey Zimin <rm6aaa at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> It is interesting to know: will Elecraft issue a mobile version - KX4?
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From rickw8zt at gmail.com  Mon Jul  1 11:34:08 2019
From: rickw8zt at gmail.com (Rick Robinson)
Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2019 11:34:08 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Distracted driving
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References: <984f29da-181f-ca0f-690b-d2a38606fcee@gmail.com>
	<78C9A616-1863-4502-915D-9C50F22574C0@widomaker.com>
	<CABU6eFXeEo57gCF0TUfgU=+s-skwKHzg83wWhbHfXt-eYS7NZg@mail.gmail.com>
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As a rover several years ago I operated mobile between grids. I had a F150
regular cab in which I used a Icom 706mk2g. The body of the radio was
mounted behind the seat with the head unit mounted on the dash. I used a
one earpiece headset mic plugged into the radio body and I used a
footswitch mounted on the floor where the dimmer switch used to be.Remember
those ? This was a two wire connection to the head unit for Ptt only. Other
than looking at the display which was in line with the instrument panel, I
had both hands on the wheel and minimal visual distraction. This setup
could be adapted to most any radio for a very safe way to mobile. Forget
cw. One hand would be operating the key, thus limiting your control in a
fast response situation . But it boils down to this....drive first, radio
second.

On Mon, Jul 1, 2019 at 9:26 AM Ken G Kopp <kengkopp at gmail.com> wrote:

> Well said, Don ...
>
> 73
>
> K0PP
>
> On Mon, Jul 1, 2019, 07:21 Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com> wrote:
>
> > May I suggest that any Mobile (meaning mounted in a vehicle) transceiver
> > NOT have a touchscreen or panadapter.
> > It can create additional distracted driver problems, and we have enough
> > of that already with automotive touchscreens, navigation systems, and
> > the like.
> >
> > I for one do not operate mobile - my eyes and attention need to be on
> > the road and not some device in the vehicle.
> >
> > 73,
> > Don W3FPR
> >
> > On 7/1/2019 7:09 AM, Sergey Zimin wrote:
> > > I meant the 5-watt version of the k4 with a panadapter in a single
> > package
> > > the size of which is like kx3...
> > >
> > >
> > > ??, 1 ???. 2019 ?., 13:16 Nr4c <nr4c at widomaker.com>:
> > >
> > >> Not mentioned so far.
> > >>
> > >> BTW: What is a ?mobile? version?  They?ve so fa not done this for any
> > >> other radio.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Sent from my iPhone
> > >> ...nr4c. bill
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>> On Jul 1, 2019, at 12:30 AM, Sergey Zimin <rm6aaa at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> It is interesting to know: will Elecraft issue a mobile version -
> KX4?
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From wrmoore47 at gmail.com  Mon Jul  1 11:39:20 2019
From: wrmoore47 at gmail.com (Randy Moore)
Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2019 10:39:20 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft KX4
In-Reply-To: <CAPHmH=Oef6tQ_OP9+jM=+uiiTgoZAUdC6APv0N3BQZbNiuD4RA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPHmH=Oef6tQ_OP9+jM=+uiiTgoZAUdC6APv0N3BQZbNiuD4RA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9AFC246B-1BBE-4F0B-A904-CACECD728656@gmail.com>

I?m with you 100%, John! Hope Elecraft is listening! 

Love the mcHF, but there is really NO customer support. If the current group of developers aren?t interested in fixing a bug or adding something new, you?re told to do it yourself. Not something I?m interested in doing, or really able to do. But as is, its still a fun and innovative transceiver! 

Elecraft could do it right!

73,
Randy, KS4L

> On Jul 1, 2019, at 8:03 AM, John Harper <johnae5x at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I recently bought a mcHF (a real one, not a clone) and, as much as I like
> it, I wish Elecraft would make a similar radio.
> 
> The main advantages of a mcHF over anything else out there are its built-in
> panadapter and its one-cable connection to a PC for digital modes. No PC
> required for SSB, CW or PSK31.
> 
> The KX2 and mcHF are of a similar size and are shown together here for
> comparison:
> http://ae5x.blogspot.com/2019/05/comparing-mchf-and-kx2.html
> 
> Disadvantages of the mcHF - and where an Elecraft (KX4) would shine - are
> in support and documentation. I hope we'll see a KX4 soon, with all the
> Elecraft advantages and none of the mcHF's shortcomings.
> 
> John AE5X
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From johnae5x at gmail.com  Mon Jul  1 11:40:24 2019
From: johnae5x at gmail.com (John Harper)
Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2019 10:40:24 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft]  Elecraft KX4
Message-ID: <CAPHmH=M301JY8OF5Aswu0u32KsnsLPsxrtZsF0EtvQNYgPcCWg@mail.gmail.com>

The original poster specified what he meant by "mobile" and it had nothing
to do with being in a vehicle.

John AE5X
https://ae5x.blogspot.com

From johnae5x at gmail.com  Mon Jul  1 11:54:57 2019
From: johnae5x at gmail.com (John Harper)
Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2019 10:54:57 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft]  Elecraft KX4
Message-ID: <CAPHmH=OQMp5MmGnj7C2dgPtHeK36biaJchUh3Xhm_MdFU53oiA@mail.gmail.com>

I sometimes doubt that Chris M0NKA ever meant for it to be a commercially
viable rig but, despite what you correctly mentioned, it has become one. I
think his original intent was to provide a project to experiment with
coding etc - the platform for that experiment just happened to be a radio.

The firmware is open source, thus all the clones. Chris recently complained
that he is now expected and often asked to provide support for the Chinese
clones! That's gotta burn...

A group in Germany is now providing the lion's share of updates.

But, what all this proves, is what's possible in the form factor in terms
of with.without PC and ease of connectivity from keeping audio in a digital
format for PC exchange.

If Elecraft made a similarly featured KX4 it would sell like hotcakes and
would be hitting the sweet spot of how so many people operate today:
portable, FT8, CW/phone, with and w/o a PC. What an attractive set of
features for new younger hams and those without the ability to have a
"proper" antenna.

I am hesitant to experiment too much with my mcHF because support and
documentation is so lacking. I can't easily recover from an error by
reading - I'd have to ask in a forum and hope someone both knows the answer
and isn't too burnt out by being asked other questions, that he'll answer
me.

If a company with Elecraft's reputation produced such a rig I'd probably be
moved to write a tributary haiku, or maybe even a limerick.

John AE5X
https://ae5x.blogspot.com
___________________________

I?m with you 100%, John! Hope Elecraft is listening!

Love the mcHF, but there is really NO customer support. If the current
group of developers aren?t interested in fixing a bug or adding
something new, you?re told to do it yourself. Not something I?m
interested in doing, or really able to do. But as is, its still a fun
and innovative transceiver!

Elecraft could do it right!

From wa6nhc at gmail.com  Mon Jul  1 12:16:54 2019
From: wa6nhc at gmail.com (Rick WA6NHC)
Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2019 09:16:54 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft KX4
In-Reply-To: <2b4cc3b2-cd30-4b3d-d690-3039b7d1ebea@embarqmail.com>
References: <984f29da-181f-ca0f-690b-d2a38606fcee@gmail.com>
	<78C9A616-1863-4502-915D-9C50F22574C0@widomaker.com>
	<CABU6eFXeEo57gCF0TUfgU=+s-skwKHzg83wWhbHfXt-eYS7NZg@mail.gmail.com>
	<2b4cc3b2-cd30-4b3d-d690-3039b7d1ebea@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <09a0743b-ac20-073e-8e0f-c3dacf275eb1@gmail.com>

While I agree that a panadapter is unneeded, unwise and distracting when 
operating mobile, one should plan for safety by minimal interaction with 
any device added to a vehicle.? This would include any touch screen 
display, since we won't avoid them.? For example;

The control heads of my V/U/HF radios are on the dash (I built a vehicle 
non-destructive frame for mounting) along with the (voice controlled) 
GPS so they are not distracting, easily reached for the few times 
adjustments are required and most importantly, WITHIN the normal visual 
scanning range of the driver (left mirror, windshield, gauges, 
windshield, right mirror; reverse and repeat).? They are high enough to 
be seen without looking down (use peripheral vision for the road), yet 
low enough to not block vision of the road (drivers with a height issue 
too).

The HF station uses a Turbo Tuner and Tarheel, one button to tune it is 
the only driver interaction.

The meters, don't matter (and can't be seen without reading glasses 
anyway), only the frequencies are truly needed as visible to the 
driver.? The use of preset memory slots makes it much safer.

Each radio has function buttons on the mic as well, so direct 
interaction is very low.? The radio scanner (in the console, next to the 
phone, for traffic problem awareness during travel for potential 
re-routing) is not among this collection on the dash since the mode of 
speech tells you who is talking (cops don't sound like fire and medical 
is different altogether).

Placement also allows the passenger to be the operator; and they also 
manage the sound system when the HF is turned off.

However, while it was once common for me to multitask while driving a 
large fire truck; it's a good idea to note that aging of the driver 
lowers the ability to do this well.? If you don't pay attention to that, 
it's possible to learn that reduction of ability in a negative manner.? 
Take note; that reduction creeps up over time.

Setting up a mobile station requires significant planning and thought 
along with the understanding that sometimes, the OFF button is the best 
choice; yes even a simple dual band V/UHF (mostly used for APRS to 
reduce the 'where are you?' calls and to allow the coffee to be fresh 
upon arrival).

(I typically only use mobile HF when parked or while hauling the fifth 
wheel on an interstate but never in a city or other traffic dense 
situation.? After decades of my career, listening to multiple audio 
sources at the same time is second nature to me; extract what is 
relevant, ignore the rest. The fifth wheel has it's own station.)

Rick NHC


On 7/1/2019 6:21 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
> May I suggest that any Mobile (meaning mounted in a vehicle) 
> transceiver NOT have a touchscreen or panadapter.
> It can create additional distracted driver problems, and we have 
> enough of that already with automotive touchscreens, navigation 
> systems, and the like.
>
> I for one do not operate mobile - my eyes and attention need to be on 
> the road and not some device in the vehicle.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>

From ko5v at earthlink.net  Mon Jul  1 13:04:23 2019
From: ko5v at earthlink.net (Jim KO5V)
Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2019 13:04:23 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Elecraft] K2: "Pop" when switching certain bands
Message-ID: <2065162327.5567.1562000663561@wamui-dingo.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Hi Don,

OK, the rig is S/N 7225. No KDSP2 is installed. I'm using an external CLRdsp box and speaker. The rig has been working very well; I've received many good signal reports. The DSP , AUX I/O, antenna and mic are all disconnected. I can hear this on the K2's internal speaker as well.

I accessed the menu, and set it to 8R Hold. Then, each time I access that menu, it shows 8R nor, so I'm not sure if the setting isn't "sticking", or that it just resets each time it is accessed (or maybe I don't know what I'm doing).

Q23 measures 0V, 0V, 7.9V (8V nominal), which is what the manual says.

These pops are not clicking relays. They are in the audio, and might have always been there. I started using VFO B on 15M to check 20MHz WWV, so I just noticed the issue. The loudest pop happens when switching from 15M VFO B to A (but not A to B). None of the other bands do this. It's also rather pronounced when switching into and out of the bands on each side of 15M.

Maybe it's just one of those "it just does that" situations, but it seems a bit strange to me that it is only on one band. I do hear a faint one when switching between 10M and 20M, but it's not at all obnoxious.

Thanks again. 73,

Jim KO5V


>Jim,
>
>Do you have 8R Hold turned on?  If not, set it on.
>
>Remove that external DSP speaker and see if you still have objectional pops.
>
>Do you have the KDSP2 installed?  On older K2s with the older KPA100 
>installed, you can experience some harmless "pops", especially if you 
>have the DSP NR turned on.
>
>The number of relays which are switched during a band change varies 
>depending on which bands you are coming from and going to - so relay 
>clicking is normal.
>
>You might want to check RF Board Q23 to be sure it is working.  The 
>voltages during receive and transmit should be as shown in the DC 
>voltage tables.
>
>73,
>Don W3FPR
>
>
>On 6/30/2019 4:55 PM, Jim KO5V wrote:
>> Good Afternoon,
>> 
>> Today I noticed a "pop" on the audio of my K2 when I changed in and out 15M, so I checked the switching on all bands:
>> 
>> When changing from 15M to 12M or 17M it is fairly loud. Changing from 12M or 17M to 15M causes a fainter "pop". A much more attenuated "pop" happens when changing from 14M to 10M, and also from 10M back to 14m.
>> 
>> Also, on 15M, when changing from VFO B to VFO A I hear a loud "pop", but it does not happen going from A to B.
>> 
>> The fainter "pops" might have always been there, but the ones on 15M are loud enough to cause the clip light on my DSP to turn red.
>> 
>> I wonder if it has something to do with diodes across relays, or the relays themselves.
>> 
>> Any more ideas?  Thanks in advance.
>> 
>> 73, Jim KO5V

From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Mon Jul  1 13:07:50 2019
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2019 13:07:50 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 data mode fail
In-Reply-To: <CAH=YJo4BQnkqqU3HfuMJePoLc_K8e+tJ6YVO8orjv6TbtwGzyQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAH=YJo4BQnkqqU3HfuMJePoLc_K8e+tJ6YVO8orjv6TbtwGzyQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9f0a227a-feff-dc04-685f-1b217ee10fba@embarqmail.com>

Skip,

Make certain the K3 is getting audio into the Line In jack.
Pull the speaker or Line Out cable from your soundcard and plug 
headphones or amplified computer speakers into that soundcard jack.
Then do a TX from your software application.  Do you hear any audio 
tones?  If not, check the computer/soundcard.

If audio there, plug in the cable to the K3 Line In making sure the 
plugs are fully seated on each end.  You could have a bad cable.
Since you have good audio to the computer on RX, swap the two audio 
cables between the soundcard and the K3.  If you have an OK waterfall 
display, the cable between K3 Line Out and soundcard line in (mic) is 
working.

If you still have problems, contact support at elecraft.com for further 
analysis.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 6/30/2019 11:43 PM, Skip Cameron wrote:
> While using my K3 in data A mode with wsjt-x software on 6M, TX stopped,
> and other data modes also have no TX output. RX remains OK, and CW and SSB
> TX & RX still work OK.
>    Need suggestions on diagnosis or reset process. Direct replies off list
> are OK. Thanks, Skip W5GAI

From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Mon Jul  1 13:33:24 2019
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2019 12:33:24 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft KX4
In-Reply-To: <CAPHmH=OQMp5MmGnj7C2dgPtHeK36biaJchUh3Xhm_MdFU53oiA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPHmH=OQMp5MmGnj7C2dgPtHeK36biaJchUh3Xhm_MdFU53oiA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2d0527b5-bbd0-44be-d141-0511133180e7@blomand.net>

Oh my.?? It seems that folks keep designing good stuff, circuits, 
software,radios and the like, and for economic reasons end up with 
Chinese manufacturing some of the boards or assemblies.??? It doesn't 
take them long to figure out what makes it tick and end up with a clone 
available at 1/2 the price or so.?? And they don't care about copy-write 
laws or patients either.?? "ok, so sue me".

I'm not naming names, but just look around and find the "Made in China" 
or the likes.

No way would I write any computer code and make it open source. Thus I 
say if you want something different, then learn to write code.? Oh, it 
only takes thousands of hours and many years experience.??? And someone 
wants it for FREE!!!!!!

73

Bob, K4TAX


On 7/1/2019 10:54 AM, John Harper wrote:
> I sometimes doubt that Chris M0NKA ever meant for it to be a commercially
> viable rig but, despite what you correctly mentioned, it has become one. I
> think his original intent was to provide a project to experiment with
> coding etc - the platform for that experiment just happened to be a radio.
>
> The firmware is open source, thus all the clones. Chris recently complained
> that he is now expected and often asked to provide support for the Chinese
> clones! That's gotta burn...
>
> A group in Germany is now providing the lion's share of updates.
>
> But, what all this proves, is what's possible in the form factor in terms
> of with.without PC and ease of connectivity from keeping audio in a digital
> format for PC exchange.
>
> If Elecraft made a similarly featured KX4 it would sell like hotcakes and
> would be hitting the sweet spot of how so many people operate today:
> portable, FT8, CW/phone, with and w/o a PC. What an attractive set of
> features for new younger hams and those without the ability to have a
> "proper" antenna.
>
> I am hesitant to experiment too much with my mcHF because support and
> documentation is so lacking. I can't easily recover from an error by
> reading - I'd have to ask in a forum and hope someone both knows the answer
> and isn't too burnt out by being asked other questions, that he'll answer
> me.
>
> If a company with Elecraft's reputation produced such a rig I'd probably be
> moved to write a tributary haiku, or maybe even a limerick.
>
> John AE5X
> https://ae5x.blogspot.com
> ___________________________
>
> I?m with you 100%, John! Hope Elecraft is listening!
>
> Love the mcHF, but there is really NO customer support. If the current
> group of developers aren?t interested in fixing a bug or adding
> something new, you?re told to do it yourself. Not something I?m
> interested in doing, or really able to do. But as is, its still a fun
> and innovative transceiver!
>
> Elecraft could do it right!
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From ko5v at earthlink.net  Mon Jul  1 13:49:42 2019
From: ko5v at earthlink.net (Jim KO5V)
Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2019 11:49:42 -0600 (GMT-06:00)
Subject: [Elecraft] Fw: Re:  K2: "Pop" when switching certain bands
Message-ID: <816552789.6176.1562003382608@wamui-dingo.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Don,

"I do hear a faint one when switching between 10M and 20M..."

I meant 20M and 30M. I guess I was thinking of 10MHZ - I shouldn't mix my units.

Jim

From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Mon Jul  1 14:01:47 2019
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2019 14:01:47 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K2: "Pop" when switching certain bands
In-Reply-To: <2065162327.5567.1562000663561@wamui-dingo.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <2065162327.5567.1562000663561@wamui-dingo.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <39ac9e76-7b57-74c5-0e77-4fff1be1845c@embarqmail.com>

Jim,

On the setting of 8R HOLD, are you exiting the menu after making the 
change?? (tap MENU twice).

You may want to look at the RF board schematic sheet 3.? All the 
capacitors around U1 (The IO Controller) can be checked for proper 
values (most are .001uF marked 102). Also check that they are all in the 
proper holes (and not through an adjacent via hole).

How are you switching directly from 10m to 20m?? With the BAND+/BAND- 
buttons, you must cycle though 15 meters going between 20m and 10m, so I 
am a bit confused by your statement.?? If you are using a software 
application to switch, remove it and test from the K2 buttons.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 7/1/2019 1:04 PM, Jim KO5V wrote:
> Hi Don,
>
> OK, the rig is S/N 7225. No KDSP2 is installed. I'm using an external CLRdsp box and speaker. The rig has been working very well; I've received many good signal reports. The DSP , AUX I/O, antenna and mic are all disconnected. I can hear this on the K2's internal speaker as well.
>
> I accessed the menu, and set it to 8R Hold. Then, each time I access that menu, it shows 8R nor, so I'm not sure if the setting isn't "sticking", or that it just resets each time it is accessed (or maybe I don't know what I'm doing).
>
> Q23 measures 0V, 0V, 7.9V (8V nominal), which is what the manual says.
>
> These pops are not clicking relays. They are in the audio, and might have always been there. I started using VFO B on 15M to check 20MHz WWV, so I just noticed the issue. The loudest pop happens when switching from 15M VFO B to A (but not A to B). None of the other bands do this. It's also rather pronounced when switching into and out of the bands on each side of 15M.
>
> Maybe it's just one of those "it just does that" situations, but it seems a bit strange to me that it is only on one band. I do hear a faint one when switching between 10M and 20M, but it's not at all obnoxious.
>
> Thanks again. 73,
>
> Jim KO5V
>


From n1al at sonic.net  Mon Jul  1 14:10:09 2019
From: n1al at sonic.net (Alan)
Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2019 11:10:09 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft KX4
In-Reply-To: <2d0527b5-bbd0-44be-d141-0511133180e7@blomand.net>
References: <CAPHmH=OQMp5MmGnj7C2dgPtHeK36biaJchUh3Xhm_MdFU53oiA@mail.gmail.com>
	<2d0527b5-bbd0-44be-d141-0511133180e7@blomand.net>
Message-ID: <f904a2e1-b6e4-e61b-9cc6-15d84f3b9975@sonic.net>

Not publishing the source code is no guarantee that someone won't rip 
off the software.? Remember "NET/ROM"?

https://www.tapr.org/pr_intro.html#NR

It was a pre-programmed memory chip that you plug into a packet TNC to 
give it super-digipeater capability.? The software was copyrighted, but 
that didn't prevent some hams (in Germany as I recall) from running a 
reverse compiler on the code, making a few minor changes, and 
re-compiling it so they could make pirate chips.

It's not like the copyright owner was making a killing on the product.? 
I don't remember the price, but as I recall it was reasonable.? But too 
expensive for some people who can't resist a "bargain".

Alan N1AL



On 7/1/19 10:33 AM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote:
> Oh my.?? It seems that folks keep designing good stuff, circuits, 
> software,radios and the like, and for economic reasons end up with 
> Chinese manufacturing some of the boards or assemblies.??? It doesn't 
> take them long to figure out what makes it tick and end up with a 
> clone available at 1/2 the price or so.?? And they don't care about 
> copy-write laws or patients either.?? "ok, so sue me".
>
> I'm not naming names, but just look around and find the "Made in 
> China" or the likes.
>
> No way would I write any computer code and make it open source. Thus I 
> say if you want something different, then learn to write code.? Oh, it 
> only takes thousands of hours and many years experience.??? And 
> someone wants it for FREE!!!!!!
>
> 73
>
> Bob, K4TAX
>
>
> On 7/1/2019 10:54 AM, John Harper wrote:
...
>> The firmware is open source, thus all the clones. Chris recently 
>> complained
>> that he is now expected and often asked to provide support for the 
>> Chinese
>> clones! That's gotta burn...
...

From juhakasari at gmail.com  Mon Jul  1 14:16:16 2019
From: juhakasari at gmail.com (Juha - oh6os)
Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2019 11:16:16 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] Help me! Kpa100 broked during lightning
In-Reply-To: <2C43467D-FCB5-4440-AE0D-227FD215B63C@gmail.com>
References: <1561977036441-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<2C43467D-FCB5-4440-AE0D-227FD215B63C@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1562004976277-0.post@n2.nabble.com>

Tnx for replies!

Have to check DC voltages first. But very sure I must to change U4 (RS-232
IC) and U1 (microcontroller) at least.

juha oh6os



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From ko5v at earthlink.net  Mon Jul  1 14:29:55 2019
From: ko5v at earthlink.net (Jim KO5V)
Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2019 12:29:55 -0600 (GMT-06:00)
Subject: [Elecraft] K2: "Pop" when switching certain bands
Message-ID: <1817432814.6807.1562005795964@wamui-dingo.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Don,

I tap menu, then select t-r, then hold menu to move the cursors underneath the 0.00. I then tap Display and see 8r nor, then tap again to select 8r hold. Within a second or so, the display atomatically goes back to t-r with 0.00 underlined. I then tap menu twice to exit.

Please see my last email about the "10M"-20M. I meant 30M. I was evidently thinking 10Mhz...sorry.

I'll check the caps as you suggest.

Thanks again. 73,

Jim KO5V

>Jim,
>
>On the setting of 8R HOLD, are you exiting the menu after making the 
>change?? (tap MENU twice).
>
>You may want to look at the RF board schematic sheet 3.? All the 
>capacitors around U1 (The IO Controller) can be checked for proper 
>values (most are .001uF marked 102). Also check that they are all in the 
>proper holes (and not through an adjacent via hole).
>
>How are you switching directly from 10m to 20m?? With the BAND+/BAND- 
>buttons, you must cycle though 15 meters going between 20m and 10m, so I 
>am a bit confused by your statement.?? If you are using a software 
>application to switch, remove it and test from the K2 buttons.
>
>73,
>Don W3FPR


From billamader at gmail.com  Mon Jul  1 14:29:37 2019
From: billamader at gmail.com (K8TE)
Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2019 11:29:37 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] Fusing power cable on K3
In-Reply-To: <95d51cd8-e184-5105-88f4-91a9b8236c7f@blomand.net>
References: <C6EF0A55-F4F0-47E5-B715-D18B30DDB093@yahoo.com>
	<95d51cd8-e184-5105-88f4-91a9b8236c7f@blomand.net>
Message-ID: <1562005777077-0.post@n2.nabble.com>

Bob has it right, when used mobile which I do a lot for QSO parties.  Here is
the rationale:

The pictorial at right is from this author's May 2015, QST, starting on page
35, entitled The Modern Mobile. It clearly represents the correct wiring
scenario, whereas the negative lead goes to the same chassis grounding point
as the battery's chassis ground point. And as shown, the negative lead fuse
should not be removed. The reason is, if the grounding point should lose its
integrity, excessive current could flow through the transceiver's negative
lead. It also prevents a minor ground loop between the leads.

You can find more details at:  http://www.k0bg.com/wiring.html.

And hello Dave!  I saw some of our Cherryland ARC friends at HamVention
again this year.

73, Bill, K8TE



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From paule408 at yahoo.com  Mon Jul  1 16:19:41 2019
From: paule408 at yahoo.com (paule408 at yahoo.com)
Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2019 20:19:41 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] How to view your Elecraft P3 remotely
References: <182344163.1507833.1562012381593.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <182344163.1507833.1562012381593@mail.yahoo.com>

I have long been using my K3 remotely and I have wished for a simple way to view my P3 via remote.?
I just found a solution that is working nicely.?
I bought a $20 Wyze Cam 2 which is a 2.4 Ghz webcam with an app for my phone.?
The Wyze cam will focus closely on the P3 giving me a full screen display via my Iphone (using the Wzse App)
The Wyze cam will live stream video directly to my phone with minimal latency.?
This solution is working nicely and at $20 for the camera, you can't beat the price!
You can find out more about the Wyze camera at?Wyze | Making Great Technology Accessible | Smart Home Devices

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From djwilcox01 at yahoo.com  Mon Jul  1 16:25:24 2019
From: djwilcox01 at yahoo.com (David Wilcox)
Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2019 16:25:24 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Fusing power cable on K3
In-Reply-To: <1562005777077-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <C6EF0A55-F4F0-47E5-B715-D18B30DDB093@yahoo.com>
	<95d51cd8-e184-5105-88f4-91a9b8236c7f@blomand.net>
	<1562005777077-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <5EEC0B57-E206-458B-BB48-BD2E6884389A@yahoo.com>

Thank you everyone who responded.  My ?new? K3 is now sitting in the place of honor next to my old favorite K2.  Now to read all the volumes of K3 manuals (for all the included upgrades) by Elecraft and the late Fred Cady to find out what all the knobs and buttons do.

Yes, Hi Bill.  Was great to see you again after all these years.

Dave K8WPE since 1960

David J. Wilcox K8WPE?s iPad



> On Jul 1, 2019, at 2:29 PM, K8TE <billamader at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Bob has it right, when used mobile which I do a lot for QSO parties.  Here is
> the rationale:
> 
> The pictorial at right is from this author's May 2015, QST, starting on page
> 35, entitled The Modern Mobile. It clearly represents the correct wiring
> scenario, whereas the negative lead goes to the same chassis grounding point
> as the battery's chassis ground point. And as shown, the negative lead fuse
> should not be removed. The reason is, if the grounding point should lose its
> integrity, excessive current could flow through the transceiver's negative
> lead. It also prevents a minor ground loop between the leads.
> 
> You can find more details at:  http://www.k0bg.com/wiring.html.
> 
> And hello Dave!  I saw some of our Cherryland ARC friends at HamVention
> again this year.
> 
> 73, Bill, K8TE
> 
> 
> 
> --
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From llachow at gmail.com  Mon Jul  1 16:39:11 2019
From: llachow at gmail.com (LL)
Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2019 16:39:11 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K1 4-band board wanted
In-Reply-To: <2932acdc-b187-966a-64b1-8da5f878929e@embarqmail.com>
References: <CAGx7+ZT19-WX0z47Pj1Zj8zyOriC9JHVzmhMhPorjmNQh3EMYw@mail.gmail.com>
	<2932acdc-b187-966a-64b1-8da5f878929e@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGx7+ZReGzq0VCzY61DD3kDpvN-=AhsRpZ-cYoMsXgCCrE_N0A@mail.gmail.com>

INCREDIBLE RESULT!!!

I called Elecraft, and a few hours later, they called back: they found ONE
two-band board, and they're kitting it up with 20 and 80 for me. I'll have
to swap the boards to change, but I'll have a four-band K1.

EXTREMELY satisfied customer, still.

On Mon, Jul 1, 2019, 9:35 AM Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com> wrote:

> Lloyd,
>
> Elecraft does still have some band kits for the 2 band board.  Order the
> kit for the band you wish to switch to.
> There are no new 2 band boards available from Elecraft.
>
> Yes, if you can find another 2 band board, you can change the band
> boards easily.  The K1 will remember the OPF offsets for up to 6 bands.
> You only need to change the board and set the "b1" and "b2" menu
> parameters to match the bands of the boards in use.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 7/1/2019 9:25 AM, LL wrote:
> > I'm acquiring a K1 with ATU, 30 and 40. Really would love to have 20 and
> 80.
> >
> > If nothing else, I might be interested in seeing if it's possible to
> rework
> > the existing board for 20, instead of 30.
> >
> > Is it possible to have four bands on two boards - that is, not on a
> > four-band board?
> > might it be possible to swap them out to switch bands, if needed, and
> only
> > two-band boards are available?
>

From frantz at pwpconsult.com  Mon Jul  1 17:13:22 2019
From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz)
Date: Mon,  1 Jul 2019 14:13:22 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Open Source Code
Message-ID: <r480Ps-10145i-73A467346A1E4EB093247631EAC8E8BE@Williams-MacBook-Pro.local>

I must strongly disagree with Bob. Before I retired, most of my 
career was spent writing code. This code became the property of 
my employer, and when they went bankrupt, I could not access it, 
support it, or use it. I never want to be in that situation again.

I will write open source code, but prefer to write public domain 
code. My reward comes when people use my code for their own purposes.

I will also point out that much of the code that supports the 
Internet is open source. For example: the Firefox browser, the 
clang and gcc compilers, the apache web server, the openssl 
encrypted transport layer suite, and the code that does basic 
Internet routing. The Linux OS is open source. In amateur radio, 
wsjt-x, cocoaModem, and N1MM are open source.

WE all benefit from open source software, and it exhibits the 
amateur radio spirt of sharing.

73 Bill AE6JV

On 7/1/19 at 10:33 AM, rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX) wrote:

>No way would I write any computer code and make it open source. 
>Thus I say if you want something different, then learn to write 
>code.? Oh, it only takes thousands of hours and many years 
>experience.??? And someone wants it for FREE!!!!!!

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Englewood Ave
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CA 95032


From kl7uw at acsalaska.net  Mon Jul  1 17:23:40 2019
From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole)
Date: Mon, 01 Jul 2019 13:23:40 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft KX4
Message-ID: <201907012123.x61LNfID030019@mail40c28.carrierzone.com>

Ah guess this is "letting you know I read the mail":

Mobile is a reach from KX4 as the topic - but - here's my drift:

I outfitted my new (in 2016) truck to be equipped for 
HF/6m/2m/70cm.  Mostly when parked in eve. with our 5th wheel trailer 
(even provided for two coax lines to the trailer for operating the 
KX3 on the dining table).  I can run the 6m-70cm while underway 
(mobile) but most of the time the radios are off when driving. 80m 
and 20m hamsticks did not tune well mounted in the bed so going to 
not bother running HF-mobile.  Buddipole looks like a convenient HF 
portable antenna.

Towing a 30-foot trailer is a full-time job and needs no distraction 
(total rig length is 47 foot).  I will eventually get APRS tracking 
beacon working.(which runs automatic).

73, Ed - KL7UW
   http://www.kl7uw.com
Dubus-NA Business mail:
   dubususa at gmail.com 


From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Mon Jul  1 17:35:48 2019
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2019 17:35:48 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Open Source Code
In-Reply-To: <r480Ps-10145i-73A467346A1E4EB093247631EAC8E8BE@Williams-MacBook-Pro.local>
References: <r480Ps-10145i-73A467346A1E4EB093247631EAC8E8BE@Williams-MacBook-Pro.local>
Message-ID: <5e05b708-4dc6-3adb-407e-44d5f83e46dc@embarqmail.com>

Bill,

That is quite generous of you, and all those who provide public domain code.

Each of those software packages you mention run on a computer, and are a 
complete package within itself.  That is different than a situation 
where firmware and software are tightly integrated.

This being the Elecraft reflector, (and I being a former of the Elecraft 
support team) can say that support of the Elecraft gear would be a real 
mess if the firmware were made either public domain or open source where 
customers could alter the code.
Because the hardware function and firmware function are tightly 
integrated, it is difficult to determine whether there is a hardware or 
firmware failure.
If the code were to be open source or public domain, the first response 
of the support team would have to be "download and install the official 
firmware and try again.  Support for non-Elecraft written code would be 
a very costly venture for Elecraft.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 7/1/2019 5:13 PM, Bill Frantz wrote:
> I must strongly disagree with Bob. Before I retired, most of my career 
> was spent writing code. This code became the property of my employer, 
> and when they went bankrupt, I could not access it, support it, or use 
> it. I never want to be in that situation again.
> 
> I will write open source code, but prefer to write public domain code. 
> My reward comes when people use my code for their own purposes.
> 
> I will also point out that much of the code that supports the Internet 
> is open source. For example: the Firefox browser, the clang and gcc 
> compilers, the apache web server, the openssl encrypted transport layer 
> suite, and the code that does basic Internet routing. The Linux OS is 
> open source. In amateur radio, wsjt-x, cocoaModem, and N1MM are open 
> source.
> 

From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Mon Jul  1 17:44:48 2019
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2019 16:44:48 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Open Source Code
In-Reply-To: <5e05b708-4dc6-3adb-407e-44d5f83e46dc@embarqmail.com>
References: <r480Ps-10145i-73A467346A1E4EB093247631EAC8E8BE@Williams-MacBook-Pro.local>
	<5e05b708-4dc6-3adb-407e-44d5f83e46dc@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <eaa84221-6afd-f59b-04ab-9ad315e131ec@blomand.net>

EXACTLY!

73

Bob, K4TAX


On 7/1/2019 4:35 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
> Bill,
>
> That is quite generous of you, and all those who provide public domain 
> code.
>
> Each of those software packages you mention run on a computer, and are 
> a complete package within itself.? That is different than a situation 
> where firmware and software are tightly integrated.
>
> This being the Elecraft reflector, (and I being a former of the 
> Elecraft support team) can say that support of the Elecraft gear would 
> be a real mess if the firmware were made either public domain or open 
> source where customers could alter the code.
> Because the hardware function and firmware function are tightly 
> integrated, it is difficult to determine whether there is a hardware 
> or firmware failure.
> If the code were to be open source or public domain, the first 
> response of the support team would have to be "download and install 
> the official firmware and try again.? Support for non-Elecraft written 
> code would be a very costly venture for Elecraft.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 7/1/2019 5:13 PM, Bill Frantz wrote:
>> I must strongly disagree with Bob. Before I retired, most of my 
>> career was spent writing code. This code became the property of my 
>> employer, and when they went bankrupt, I could not access it, support 
>> it, or use it. I never want to be in that situation again.
>>
>> I will write open source code, but prefer to write public domain 
>> code. My reward comes when people use my code for their own purposes.
>>
>> I will also point out that much of the code that supports the 
>> Internet is open source. For example: the Firefox browser, the clang 
>> and gcc compilers, the apache web server, the openssl encrypted 
>> transport layer suite, and the code that does basic Internet routing. 
>> The Linux OS is open source. In amateur radio, wsjt-x, cocoaModem, 
>> and N1MM are open source.
>>
> ______________________________________________________________
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From k6dgw at foothill.net  Mon Jul  1 18:28:30 2019
From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen)
Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2019 15:28:30 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] How to view your Elecraft P3 remotely
In-Reply-To: <182344163.1507833.1562012381593@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <182344163.1507833.1562012381593.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<182344163.1507833.1562012381593@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <f4cbeb5b-9140-d9df-e969-55857dcc1308@foothill.net>

Do you also have access to the P3 controls remotely via the RS-232 
port?? My P3 loses its span end-point settings if I change the band via 
CAT commands and I would have no way to reset them remotely.

A secondary problem we encountered at W7RN with web cams is that they 
have a tendency to gobble up BW.? Even those that operate deferentially 
[sending only the changes or sending a screen only when something 
changes] were a problem, it seemed that something was always changing in 
the image, even if only by one bit in one pixel.

Having access to the remote panadapter would be really cool.

73,
Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

On 7/1/2019 1:19 PM, paule408--- via Elecraft wrote:
> I have long been using my K3 remotely and I have wished for a simple way to view my P3 via remote.
> I just found a solution that is working nicely.
> I bought a $20 Wyze Cam 2 which is a 2.4 Ghz webcam with an app for my phone.
> The Wyze cam will focus closely on the P3 giving me a full screen display via my Iphone (using the Wzse App)
> The Wyze cam will live stream video directly to my phone with minimal latency.
>


From jim at n7us.net  Mon Jul  1 18:34:22 2019
From: jim at n7us.net (Jim N7US)
Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2019 17:34:22 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] How to view your Elecraft P3 remotely
In-Reply-To: <f4cbeb5b-9140-d9df-e969-55857dcc1308@foothill.net>
References: <182344163.1507833.1562012381593.ref@mail.yahoo.com>	<182344163.1507833.1562012381593@mail.yahoo.com>
	<f4cbeb5b-9140-d9df-e969-55857dcc1308@foothill.net>
Message-ID: <030101d5305d$2200d7b0$66028710$@n7us.net>

Win4K3Suite macros will work with the K3, P3, and KPA500/1500, even in the same macro, I think.

Jim N7US

-----Original Message-----

Do you also have access to the P3 controls remotely via the RS-232 port?  My P3 loses its span end-point settings if I change the band via CAT commands and I would have no way to reset them remotely.

A secondary problem we encountered at W7RN with web cams is that they have a tendency to gobble up BW.  Even those that operate deferentially [sending only the changes or sending a screen only when something changes] were a problem, it seemed that something was always changing in the image, even if only by one bit in one pixel.

Having access to the remote panadapter would be really cool.

73,
Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

On 7/1/2019 1:19 PM, paule408--- via Elecraft wrote:
> I have long been using my K3 remotely and I have wished for a simple way to view my P3 via remote.
> I just found a solution that is working nicely.
> I bought a $20 Wyze Cam 2 which is a 2.4 Ghz webcam with an app for my phone.
> The Wyze cam will focus closely on the P3 giving me a full screen 
> display via my Iphone (using the Wzse App) The Wyze cam will live stream video directly to my phone with minimal latency.
>



From kk7p4dsp at gmail.com  Mon Jul  1 19:21:19 2019
From: kk7p4dsp at gmail.com (Lyle Johnson)
Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2019 16:21:19 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Open Source Code
In-Reply-To: <5e05b708-4dc6-3adb-407e-44d5f83e46dc@embarqmail.com>
References: <r480Ps-10145i-73A467346A1E4EB093247631EAC8E8BE@Williams-MacBook-Pro.local>
	<5e05b708-4dc6-3adb-407e-44d5f83e46dc@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <448011b3-660e-ebc7-f115-8d7f9ef2bcb4@gmail.com>

FWIW the DSP source code for the KDSP2 was and has always has been open 
source.? Until the Elecraft web site update in the last several months, 
and while the KDSP2 was an active product at Elecraft, the code was on 
the website for free download.? I recall perhaps four inquiries about it 
over the 14 or so years it was posted, and most of those were in the 
first two years. I somehow managed to keep up with all those inquiries...

The code is backed up on the web at several locations, you can easily 
find with a duckduckgo search.

73,

Lyle KK7P



From rcrgs at verizon.net  Mon Jul  1 20:02:37 2019
From: rcrgs at verizon.net (Robert G Strickland)
Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2019 00:02:37 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S subreceiver sound "problem"
Message-ID: <726eed18-ea9d-2d36-4387-b9fb1f08d261@verizon.net>

I put "problem" in quotes because it's not clear where the "problem" is: 
me or the radio.

I recently purchased an Elecraft assembled and tested K3S with a 
subreceiver and its own 400cps filter. The main receiver has the 
following filters: 2.8, 1.9, 500 & 200. When I listen to both receivers 
through good quality headphones, the subreceiver sounds muffled, dull, 
maybe a bit less volume when the gain and audio settings are identical, 
all the while the main receiver is crisp and clear. Reversing the head 
phones reverses the effect which, I think, rules out my hearing and 
hearing aids.  Reversing things with the A/B switch makes the left 
channel muffled and dull. I've tried a whole lot of different setup 
parameters, read the manual and Cady's book carefully, but I can't come 
up with anything the brightens up the subreceiver. Any suggestions?
Thanks.

...robert
-- 
Robert G Strickland, PhD ABPH - KE2WY
rcrgs at verizon.net.usa
Syracuse, New York, USA

From kk7p4dsp at gmail.com  Mon Jul  1 20:21:38 2019
From: kk7p4dsp at gmail.com (Lyle Johnson)
Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2019 17:21:38 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S subreceiver sound "problem"
In-Reply-To: <726eed18-ea9d-2d36-4387-b9fb1f08d261@verizon.net>
References: <726eed18-ea9d-2d36-4387-b9fb1f08d261@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <2e2e2f68-9e4c-c50e-0ce0-3f30990c7e10@gmail.com>

Is the "dull and muffled" only with the 400 Hz filter?? Does the Subrx 
have any other filters?

If it is just the 400 Hz filter with the problem, it may be that the 
filter offset is not set correctly.

73,

Lyle KK7P

On 7/1/19 5:02 PM, Robert G Strickland via Elecraft wrote:
> I put "problem" in quotes because it's not clear where the "problem" 
> is: me or the radio.
>
> I recently purchased an Elecraft assembled and tested K3S with a 
> subreceiver and its own 400cps filter. The main receiver has the 
> following filters: 2.8, 1.9, 500 & 200. When I listen to both 
> receivers through good quality headphones, the subreceiver sounds 
> muffled, dull, maybe a bit less volume when the gain and audio 
> settings are identical, all the while the main receiver is crisp and 
> clear. Reversing the head phones reverses the effect which, I think, 
> rules out my hearing and hearing aids.? Reversing things with the A/B 
> switch makes the left channel muffled and dull. I've tried a whole lot 
> of different setup parameters, read the manual and Cady's book 
> carefully, but I can't come up with anything the brightens up the 
> subreceiver. Any suggestions?
> Thanks.
>
> ...robert

From thegoeckel at gmail.com  Mon Jul  1 21:05:25 2019
From: thegoeckel at gmail.com (Fred)
Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2019 21:05:25 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] When Transmitting on FT8 - KPA500 has issues - KD8ZYD
Message-ID: <CAODN=v37xhe4Kvva2-LUGdxkj+oC1FXVJXxrA09f6Qd8zvcgaQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

I have a K3, P3, KPA500, KAT500 and a SignaLink for sound.  Sometimes when
I transmit on FT8 running full power on the KPA500, the KPA500 will click
on/off.  The power doesn't turn on/off, it seems like a relay inside.  The
power meter will go to about 500 watts, then down to 0, then to abut 500
watts...and down to 0 maybe once a second.  I have a short video I can send
if someone would like to see it.  When I bypass the KPA500 and use 50 watts
or so just on the K3, no issues.

Please let me know if you have any questions.

73, Fred

KD8ZYD
-- 
Thanks,

Fred

From wa2lbi at gmail.com  Mon Jul  1 21:22:22 2019
From: wa2lbi at gmail.com (Ken Winterling)
Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2019 21:22:22 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] When Transmitting on FT8 - KPA500 has issues - KD8ZYD
In-Reply-To: <CAODN=v37xhe4Kvva2-LUGdxkj+oC1FXVJXxrA09f6Qd8zvcgaQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAODN=v37xhe4Kvva2-LUGdxkj+oC1FXVJXxrA09f6Qd8zvcgaQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CALK4bwh1YKwNq4pGxf7t5=Aqj+uY3Cb-93z_cBx7AYA12EPOXw@mail.gmail.com>

Fred,

Does this condition also happen on SSB, RTTY, CW or only while running
digital mode?

Is it possible the PTT/key line is being dropped?  When the power drops is
there an asterisk (*) on the left side of the KPA500 display?  An asterisk
will appear on the left side of the LCD display if there is a valid PA KEY/
PTT signal is being received from the transceiver. If there is no asterisk
the amp isn't receiving a valid PA KEY/PTT signal from the transceiver.  If
there is an underscore instead of an asterisk it means that the amplifier
keying is being inhibited by a low signal on pin 11 of the AUX connector.

Ken
WA2LBI





On Mon, Jul 1, 2019 at 9:06 PM Fred <thegoeckel at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I have a K3, P3, KPA500, KAT500 and a SignaLink for sound.  Sometimes when
> I transmit on FT8 running full power on the KPA500, the KPA500 will click
> on/off.  The power doesn't turn on/off, it seems like a relay inside.  The
> power meter will go to about 500 watts, then down to 0, then to abut 500
> watts...and down to 0 maybe once a second.  I have a short video I can send
> if someone would like to see it.  When I bypass the KPA500 and use 50 watts
> or so just on the K3, no issues.
>
> Please let me know if you have any questions.
>
> 73, Fred
>
> KD8ZYD
> --
> Thanks,
>
> Fred
>
>

From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Mon Jul  1 21:23:11 2019
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2019 18:23:11 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] When Transmitting on FT8 - KPA500 has issues - KD8ZYD
In-Reply-To: <CAODN=v37xhe4Kvva2-LUGdxkj+oC1FXVJXxrA09f6Qd8zvcgaQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAODN=v37xhe4Kvva2-LUGdxkj+oC1FXVJXxrA09f6Qd8zvcgaQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1408bc1b-affd-54a4-53ff-1066b1d798bb@audiosystemsgroup.com>

How are you setting power out?? The K3 power out should be set to about 
25W to get full power.? What SWR do the KPA500 indicate and KAT500 
indicate?

73, Jim K9YC

On 7/1/2019 6:05 PM, Fred wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I have a K3, P3, KPA500, KAT500 and a SignaLink for sound.  Sometimes when
> I transmit on FT8 running full power on the KPA500, the KPA500 will click
> on/off.  The power doesn't turn on/off, it seems like a relay inside.  The
> power meter will go to about 500 watts, then down to 0, then to abut 500
> watts...and down to 0 maybe once a second.  I have a short video I can send
> if someone would like to see it.  When I bypass the KPA500 and use 50 watts
> or so just on the K3, no issues.
>
> Please let me know if you have any questions.
>
> 73, Fred
>
> KD8ZYD



From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Mon Jul  1 21:25:35 2019
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2019 21:25:35 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] When Transmitting on FT8 - KPA500 has issues - KD8ZYD
In-Reply-To: <CAODN=v37xhe4Kvva2-LUGdxkj+oC1FXVJXxrA09f6Qd8zvcgaQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAODN=v37xhe4Kvva2-LUGdxkj+oC1FXVJXxrA09f6Qd8zvcgaQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9cae6894-b16b-b9ae-d969-73f155f9a4c7@embarqmail.com>

Fred,

Is the KAT500 trying to do a TUNE?  It sounds like it may be.
If left in AUTO mode, the KAT500 can occasionally detect a false SWR 
result.  When that happens, the KAT500 will break the keying line to the 
KPA500 while it tunes.

With the KAT500 in AUTO - train the tuner for all band segments and 
antennas you use, then set the KAT500 to MAN for operation.

Do that and see if the problem stops.

If that is not the problem, connect the KPA500 (not the KAT500) to a 500 
watt or greater dummy load and see if you can duplicate the problem.

If it fails on the dummy load, contact support at elecraft.com.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 7/1/2019 9:05 PM, Fred wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I have a K3, P3, KPA500, KAT500 and a SignaLink for sound.  Sometimes when
> I transmit on FT8 running full power on the KPA500, the KPA500 will click
> on/off.  The power doesn't turn on/off, it seems like a relay inside.  The
> power meter will go to about 500 watts, then down to 0, then to abut 500
> watts...and down to 0 maybe once a second.  I have a short video I can send
> if someone would like to see it.  When I bypass the KPA500 and use 50 watts
> or so just on the K3, no issues.
> 

From thegoeckel at gmail.com  Mon Jul  1 21:26:19 2019
From: thegoeckel at gmail.com (Fred)
Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2019 21:26:19 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] When Transmitting on FT8 - KPA500 has issues - KD8ZYD
In-Reply-To: <CALK4bwh1YKwNq4pGxf7t5=Aqj+uY3Cb-93z_cBx7AYA12EPOXw@mail.gmail.com>
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	<CALK4bwh1YKwNq4pGxf7t5=Aqj+uY3Cb-93z_cBx7AYA12EPOXw@mail.gmail.com>
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Hi Ken,

It only happens when running digital mode FT8. And it doesn?t happen all the time when running digital mode. Ken I?ll send the video I made. I just looked at it and it has an *. 

Thanks,

Fred
248-613-4086

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 1, 2019, at 9:22 PM, Ken Winterling <wa2lbi at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Fred,
> 
> Does this condition also happen on SSB, RTTY, CW or only while running digital mode?
> 
> Is it possible the PTT/key line is being dropped?  When the power drops is there an asterisk (*) on the left side of the KPA500 display?  An asterisk will appear on the left side of the LCD display if there is a valid PA KEY/PTT signal is being received from the transceiver. If there is no asterisk the amp isn't receiving a valid PA KEY/PTT signal from the transceiver.  If there is an underscore instead of an asterisk it means that the amplifier keying is being inhibited by a low signal on pin 11 of the AUX connector.
> 
> Ken
> WA2LBI
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Mon, Jul 1, 2019 at 9:06 PM Fred <thegoeckel at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I have a K3, P3, KPA500, KAT500 and a SignaLink for sound.  Sometimes when
>> I transmit on FT8 running full power on the KPA500, the KPA500 will click
>> on/off.  The power doesn't turn on/off, it seems like a relay inside.  The
>> power meter will go to about 500 watts, then down to 0, then to abut 500
>> watts...and down to 0 maybe once a second.  I have a short video I can send
>> if someone would like to see it.  When I bypass the KPA500 and use 50 watts
>> or so just on the K3, no issues.
>> 
>> Please let me know if you have any questions.
>> 
>> 73, Fred
>> 
>> KD8ZYD
>> -- 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Fred
>> 

From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Mon Jul  1 21:29:07 2019
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2019 21:29:07 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Open Source Code
In-Reply-To: <448011b3-660e-ebc7-f115-8d7f9ef2bcb4@gmail.com>
References: <r480Ps-10145i-73A467346A1E4EB093247631EAC8E8BE@Williams-MacBook-Pro.local>
	<5e05b708-4dc6-3adb-407e-44d5f83e46dc@embarqmail.com>
	<448011b3-660e-ebc7-f115-8d7f9ef2bcb4@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e3b298c2-9fac-6881-8d68-18e60751ae53@embarqmail.com>

Lyle,

Does that include the KDSP2 Firmware IC code?  Or is it only the code in 
your DSP-x module?

73,
Don W3FPR

On 7/1/2019 7:21 PM, Lyle Johnson wrote:
> FWIW the DSP source code for the KDSP2 was and has always has been open 
> source.? Until the Elecraft web site update in the last several months, 
> and while the KDSP2 was an active product at Elecraft, the code was on 
> the website for free download.? I recall perhaps four inquiries about it 
> over the 14 or so years it was posted, and most of those were in the 
> first two years. I somehow managed to keep up with all those inquiries...
> 
> The code is backed up on the web at several locations, you can easily 
> find with a duckduckgo search.
> 

From marklgoldberg at gmail.com  Mon Jul  1 22:15:18 2019
From: marklgoldberg at gmail.com (Mark Goldberg)
Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2019 19:15:18 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] When Transmitting on FT8 - KPA500 has issues - KD8ZYD
In-Reply-To: <88B39461-3778-4BF0-9081-2FD3D4C3A80F@gmail.com>
References: <CAODN=v37xhe4Kvva2-LUGdxkj+oC1FXVJXxrA09f6Qd8zvcgaQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CALK4bwh1YKwNq4pGxf7t5=Aqj+uY3Cb-93z_cBx7AYA12EPOXw@mail.gmail.com>
	<88B39461-3778-4BF0-9081-2FD3D4C3A80F@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKn+a3uDHv_sbyxcnwi1o-b9O2MXS=dD-izJcUrzxZMP2ZnPfQ@mail.gmail.com>

Can you watch the SWR when this happens? If the antenna is hard to tune,
the tuner may find a match, but it may actually be fairly lossy, with power
being dissipated in the tuner. As the tuner inductors heat up, they change
value, and the SWR goes up, triggering a retune. You should be able to see
the same thing with just a carrier at high power. If that is the case, you
should do something to your antenna to make it easier to tune up. This
happens to me on 160. My antenna is too short and presents a low impedance.
The tuner can tune it, but not for very long before it heats up.On SSB or
CW, the lower duty cycle doesn't heat things up as much.

73,

Mark
W7MLG


On Mon, Jul 1, 2019 at 6:29 PM Fred <thegoeckel at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Ken,
>
> It only happens when running digital mode FT8. And it doesn?t happen all
> the time when running digital mode. Ken I?ll send the video I made. I just
> looked at it and it has an *.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Fred
> 248-613-4086
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jul 1, 2019, at 9:22 PM, Ken Winterling <wa2lbi at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Fred,
> >
> > Does this condition also happen on SSB, RTTY, CW or only while running
> digital mode?
> >
> > Is it possible the PTT/key line is being dropped?  When the power drops
> is there an asterisk (*) on the left side of the KPA500 display?  An
> asterisk will appear on the left side of the LCD display if there is a
> valid PA KEY/PTT signal is being received from the transceiver. If there is
> no asterisk the amp isn't receiving a valid PA KEY/PTT signal from the
> transceiver.  If there is an underscore instead of an asterisk it means
> that the amplifier keying is being inhibited by a low signal on pin 11 of
> the AUX connector.
> >
> > Ken
> > WA2LBI
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >> On Mon, Jul 1, 2019 at 9:06 PM Fred <thegoeckel at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> I have a K3, P3, KPA500, KAT500 and a SignaLink for sound.  Sometimes
> when
> >> I transmit on FT8 running full power on the KPA500, the KPA500 will
> click
> >> on/off.  The power doesn't turn on/off, it seems like a relay inside.
> The
> >> power meter will go to about 500 watts, then down to 0, then to abut 500
> >> watts...and down to 0 maybe once a second.  I have a short video I can
> send
> >> if someone would like to see it.  When I bypass the KPA500 and use 50
> watts
> >> or so just on the K3, no issues.
> >>
> >> Please let me know if you have any questions.
> >>
> >> 73, Fred
> >>
> >> KD8ZYD
> >> --
> >> Thanks,
> >>
> >> Fred
> >>
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From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Mon Jul  1 22:32:57 2019
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2019 21:32:57 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] When Transmitting on FT8 - KPA500 has issues - KD8ZYD
In-Reply-To: <CAODN=v37xhe4Kvva2-LUGdxkj+oC1FXVJXxrA09f6Qd8zvcgaQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAODN=v37xhe4Kvva2-LUGdxkj+oC1FXVJXxrA09f6Qd8zvcgaQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c8641576-1c59-6cab-ddae-4818c779ee97@blomand.net>

Sounds like the power from the K3 is too high.?? Should be about 25 or 
so watts.? Actually, 20 watts drives my KPA500 to 500 watts output on 
all bands.? I trust the SWR as seen by the amplifier is 1.5:1 or less.

Do you get any FAULT LED indications on the KPA500? You can use the 
KPA500 Utility to download and examine the fault table.

73

Bob, K4TAX


On 7/1/2019 8:05 PM, Fred wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I have a K3, P3, KPA500, KAT500 and a SignaLink for sound.  Sometimes when
> I transmit on FT8 running full power on the KPA500, the KPA500 will click
> on/off.  The power doesn't turn on/off, it seems like a relay inside.  The
> power meter will go to about 500 watts, then down to 0, then to abut 500
> watts...and down to 0 maybe once a second.  I have a short video I can send
> if someone would like to see it.  When I bypass the KPA500 and use 50 watts
> or so just on the K3, no issues.
>
> Please let me know if you have any questions.
>
> 73, Fred
>
> KD8ZYD


From kk7p4dsp at gmail.com  Mon Jul  1 22:39:40 2019
From: kk7p4dsp at gmail.com (Lyle Johnson)
Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2019 19:39:40 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Open Source Code
In-Reply-To: <e3b298c2-9fac-6881-8d68-18e60751ae53@embarqmail.com>
References: <r480Ps-10145i-73A467346A1E4EB093247631EAC8E8BE@Williams-MacBook-Pro.local>
	<5e05b708-4dc6-3adb-407e-44d5f83e46dc@embarqmail.com>
	<448011b3-660e-ebc7-f115-8d7f9ef2bcb4@gmail.com>
	<e3b298c2-9fac-6881-8d68-18e60751ae53@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <ca5c73bb-b4e5-035c-c7e5-89d2255a4e4c@gmail.com>

DSP code only.? The code in the AVR was not opened.

73,

Lyle KK7P

On 7/1/19 6:29 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
> Lyle,
>
> Does that include the KDSP2 Firmware IC code?? Or is it only the code 
> in your DSP-x module?
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 7/1/2019 7:21 PM, Lyle Johnson wrote:
>> FWIW the DSP source code for the KDSP2 was and has always has been 
>> open source.? Until the Elecraft web site update in the last several 
>> months, and while the KDSP2 was an active product at Elecraft, the 
>> code was on the website for free download.? I recall perhaps four 
>> inquiries about it over the 14 or so years it was posted, and most of 
>> those were in the first two years. I somehow managed to keep up with 
>> all those inquiries...
>>
>> The code is backed up on the web at several locations, you can easily 
>> find with a duckduckgo search.
>>

From jackbrindle at me.com  Mon Jul  1 23:04:14 2019
From: jackbrindle at me.com (Jack Brindle)
Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2019 20:04:14 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] When Transmitting on FT8 - KPA500 has issues - KD8ZYD
In-Reply-To: <c8641576-1c59-6cab-ddae-4818c779ee97@blomand.net>
References: <CAODN=v37xhe4Kvva2-LUGdxkj+oC1FXVJXxrA09f6Qd8zvcgaQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<c8641576-1c59-6cab-ddae-4818c779ee97@blomand.net>
Message-ID: <17C33426-0545-4B4A-B0FD-42D4611950B0@me.com>

Fred sent me the video, which is actually very revealing. First the change rate is very rapid, higher than I initially expected. The asterisk is on constantly, and the power off time is not long enough for power to drop to zero. But what I found very interesting is that the output power indication on the K3 is fluctuating at the same rate as the KPA500 is indicating. That leads me to believe that the K3 output is rapidly changing on and off. The next question is what might be causing this - it might be the K3, but it also could be upstream, in Fred?s Signalink or perhaps the computer / program that is feeding audio to the radio system.

With that in mind, and knowing the calibre of folks on the list who are very adept at digital setups, let's see if we can troubleshoot the system and get Fred going again the way things should be.

73!
Jack, W6FB


> On Jul 1, 2019, at 7:32 PM, Bob McGraw K4TAX <rmcgraw at blomand.net> wrote:
> 
> Sounds like the power from the K3 is too high.   Should be about 25 or so watts.  Actually, 20 watts drives my KPA500 to 500 watts output on all bands.  I trust the SWR as seen by the amplifier is 1.5:1 or less.
> 
> Do you get any FAULT LED indications on the KPA500? You can use the KPA500 Utility to download and examine the fault table.
> 
> 73
> 
> Bob, K4TAX
> 
> 
> On 7/1/2019 8:05 PM, Fred wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I have a K3, P3, KPA500, KAT500 and a SignaLink for sound.  Sometimes when
>> I transmit on FT8 running full power on the KPA500, the KPA500 will click
>> on/off.  The power doesn't turn on/off, it seems like a relay inside.  The
>> power meter will go to about 500 watts, then down to 0, then to abut 500
>> watts...and down to 0 maybe once a second.  I have a short video I can send
>> if someone would like to see it.  When I bypass the KPA500 and use 50 watts
>> or so just on the K3, no issues.
>> 
>> Please let me know if you have any questions.
>> 
>> 73, Fred
>> 
>> KD8ZYD
> 
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From n0nb at n0nb.us  Mon Jul  1 23:15:16 2019
From: n0nb at n0nb.us (Nate Bargmann)
Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2019 22:15:16 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Open Source Code
In-Reply-To: <5e05b708-4dc6-3adb-407e-44d5f83e46dc@embarqmail.com>
References: <r480Ps-10145i-73A467346A1E4EB093247631EAC8E8BE@Williams-MacBook-Pro.local>
	<5e05b708-4dc6-3adb-407e-44d5f83e46dc@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <20190702031516.yfidwt6o4zkhn7ax@n0nb.us>

* On 2019 01 Jul 16:37 -0500, Don Wilhelm wrote:
> Bill,
> 
> That is quite generous of you, and all those who provide public domain code.

Don, just a point of clarification.  The titles that Bill mentioned are
not public domain but are released under copyleft licenses.  An
explanation is too lengthy for this list.  Suffice it to say, public
domain is not used by the Open Source community.

73, Nate, N0NB

-- 

"The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all
possible worlds.  The pessimist fears this is true."

Web: https://www.n0nb.us  GPG key: D55A8819  GitHub: N0NB

From w7tr at outlook.com  Mon Jul  1 23:23:58 2019
From: w7tr at outlook.com (Todd KH2TJ)
Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2019 03:23:58 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 waterfall
In-Reply-To: <CACSh70GNKb+U1nZK5EjYKM63urjUEg9xucduHWy-D7=AKCRrAA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACSh70GNKb+U1nZK5EjYKM63urjUEg9xucduHWy-D7=AKCRrAA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BYAPR05MB587914D378627CECB597E3B29AF80@BYAPR05MB5879.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>

There was some chatter a couple months back about a board designed by UC6UAA that replaces the KXIO2 board.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Onf63FwbiZo
[https://www.bing.com/th?id=OVP.z01a-1Xmnt5M2M01mA9_zQHgFo&pid=Api]<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Onf63FwbiZo>
Transceiver Elecraft KX2, I/Q out and time board and PowerSDR. UC6UAA Russia. segrus at mail.ru<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Onf63FwbiZo>
???????????? ?????? ????? "I/Q ?????? ? ???????". ????????? KX2 ? ????????? PowerSDR.
www.youtube.com


Haven't heard much more about it....

Later,
Todd KH2TJ


From w7tr at outlook.com  Mon Jul  1 23:36:03 2019
From: w7tr at outlook.com (Todd KH2TJ)
Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2019 03:36:03 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft KX4
In-Reply-To: <CAPHmH=OQMp5MmGnj7C2dgPtHeK36biaJchUh3Xhm_MdFU53oiA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPHmH=OQMp5MmGnj7C2dgPtHeK36biaJchUh3Xhm_MdFU53oiA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BYAPR05MB5879528D66256ABF8ACCFBDF9AF80@BYAPR05MB5879.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>

The ALT-512 looks interesting in that regard:
https://www.aerial-51.com/alt-512/

73, Todd KH2TJ


________________________________
From:  John Harper <johnae5x at gmail.com>

But, what all this proves, is what's possible in the form factor in terms
of with.without PC and ease of connectivity from keeping audio in a digital
format for PC exchange.

If Elecraft made a similarly featured KX4 it would sell like hotcakes and
would be hitting the sweet spot of how so many people operate today:
portable, FT8, CW/phone, with and w/o a PC. What an attractive set of
features for new younger hams and those without the ability to have a
"proper" antenna.



From va3mw at portcredit.net  Mon Jul  1 23:40:14 2019
From: va3mw at portcredit.net (Michael Walker)
Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2019 23:40:14 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] When Transmitting on FT8 - KPA500 has issues - KD8ZYD
In-Reply-To: <17C33426-0545-4B4A-B0FD-42D4611950B0@me.com>
References: <CAODN=v37xhe4Kvva2-LUGdxkj+oC1FXVJXxrA09f6Qd8zvcgaQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<c8641576-1c59-6cab-ddae-4818c779ee97@blomand.net>
	<17C33426-0545-4B4A-B0FD-42D4611950B0@me.com>
Message-ID: <CA+33ts6vtr82hStzBKj5aOtMfQexNNFKmDDo77BCY8fZmMeaiQ@mail.gmail.com>

Good to send the video

It sounds like the Sound card is dropping audio frames then and can he test
with WSJTx in their TUNE mode.  Does the same thing happen.

If it was me, I would review the sound card settings for the sound card
device.  Make sure it IS the one you think it is.

Could the computer be suffering from high DPCs.. aka, is it busy doing
something else like a virus scan or indexing?

This is one of those times that it would be good to know more about the
computer hardware, like CPU speed, memory, etc.

Mike va3mw


On Mon, Jul 1, 2019 at 11:15 PM Jack Brindle via Elecraft <
elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:

> Fred sent me the video, which is actually very revealing. First the change
> rate is very rapid, higher than I initially expected. The asterisk is on
> constantly, and the power off time is not long enough for power to drop to
> zero. But what I found very interesting is that the output power indication
> on the K3 is fluctuating at the same rate as the KPA500 is indicating. That
> leads me to believe that the K3 output is rapidly changing on and off. The
> next question is what might be causing this - it might be the K3, but it
> also could be upstream, in Fred?s Signalink or perhaps the computer /
> program that is feeding audio to the radio system.
>
> With that in mind, and knowing the calibre of folks on the list who are
> very adept at digital setups, let's see if we can troubleshoot the system
> and get Fred going again the way things should be.
>
> 73!
> Jack, W6FB
>
>
> > On Jul 1, 2019, at 7:32 PM, Bob McGraw K4TAX <rmcgraw at blomand.net>
> wrote:
> >
> > Sounds like the power from the K3 is too high.   Should be about 25 or
> so watts.  Actually, 20 watts drives my KPA500 to 500 watts output on all
> bands.  I trust the SWR as seen by the amplifier is 1.5:1 or less.
> >
> > Do you get any FAULT LED indications on the KPA500? You can use the
> KPA500 Utility to download and examine the fault table.
> >
> > 73
> >
> > Bob, K4TAX
> >
> >
> > On 7/1/2019 8:05 PM, Fred wrote:
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> I have a K3, P3, KPA500, KAT500 and a SignaLink for sound.  Sometimes
> when
> >> I transmit on FT8 running full power on the KPA500, the KPA500 will
> click
> >> on/off.  The power doesn't turn on/off, it seems like a relay inside.
> The
> >> power meter will go to about 500 watts, then down to 0, then to abut 500
> >> watts...and down to 0 maybe once a second.  I have a short video I can
> send
> >> if someone would like to see it.  When I bypass the KPA500 and use 50
> watts
> >> or so just on the K3, no issues.
> >>
> >> Please let me know if you have any questions.
> >>
> >> 73, Fred
> >>
> >> KD8ZYD
> >
> > ______________________________________________________________
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From a.durbin at msn.com  Mon Jul  1 23:44:06 2019
From: a.durbin at msn.com (Andy Durbin)
Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2019 03:44:06 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] When Transmitting on FT8 - KPA500 has issues - KD8ZYD
Message-ID: <BYAPR16MB29683F8D2621CCC9451EDA438CF80@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>

"That leads me to believe that the K3 output is rapidly changing on and off"

I have not looked at the video but this sounds very similar to a problem I have seen.   In my case HDSDR sound output had spontaneously changed to TS-590 TX CODEC creating a feedback loop through the PC.  Break the loop and all is normal.

73,
Andy, k3wyc

From rcrgs at verizon.net  Tue Jul  2 00:04:07 2019
From: rcrgs at verizon.net (Robert G Strickland)
Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2019 04:04:07 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S subreceiver sound "problem"
In-Reply-To: <726eed18-ea9d-2d36-4387-b9fb1f08d261@verizon.net>
References: <726eed18-ea9d-2d36-4387-b9fb1f08d261@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <db039057-f8b9-ac50-ddda-c04b49d6a2b6@verizon.net>

Thanks for the suggestions.
The subreceiver is on MAIN.
I set the selectivity for about 2kx in both receivers so that they are 
both using the basic SSB filters, ie no 400cps filter in the sub-. I 
re-checked all signal processing switches [ie, NR, NB, ATN, etc] to make 
sure they were the same. I set both receivers to the same frequency, 
both band noise and signals. I checked the rcv equalization; I don't 
think that the two receivers can be set up with different profiles, at 
least I couldn't do it. I turned off my hearing aids [the audio 
parameters of my hearing in both ears are pretty closely matched]. So, 
slightly better suggesting that some of the dullness was mismatched 
setup. However, the sub- is still duller than the main. It's like the 
there's a high freq cut on the sub-. In some respects it sounds like 
there's some audio distortion through the sub- that's not there in the 
main. That's it for the moment.

...robert

On 7/2/2019 00:02, Robert G Strickland via Elecraft wrote:
> I put "problem" in quotes because it's not clear where the "problem" is:
> me or the radio.
>
> I recently purchased an Elecraft assembled and tested K3S with a
> subreceiver and its own 400cps filter. The main receiver has the
> following filters: 2.8, 1.9, 500 & 200. When I listen to both receivers
> through good quality headphones, the subreceiver sounds muffled, dull,
> maybe a bit less volume when the gain and audio settings are identical,
> all the while the main receiver is crisp and clear. Reversing the head
> phones reverses the effect which, I think, rules out my hearing and
> hearing aids.  Reversing things with the A/B switch makes the left
> channel muffled and dull. I've tried a whole lot of different setup
> parameters, read the manual and Cady's book carefully, but I can't come
> up with anything the brightens up the subreceiver. Any suggestions?
> Thanks.
>
> ..robert

-- 
Robert G Strickland, PhD ABPH - KE2WY
rcrgs at verizon.net.usa
Syracuse, New York, USA

From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Tue Jul  2 00:04:29 2019
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2019 23:04:29 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] When Transmitting on FT8 - KPA500 has issues - KD8ZYD
In-Reply-To: <BYAPR16MB29683F8D2621CCC9451EDA438CF80@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
References: <BYAPR16MB29683F8D2621CCC9451EDA438CF80@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <7fdcdff1-f2b6-d2a0-d13a-5d5ce78b5d6c@blomand.net>

A clue..... at 500 watts with the KPA500 there is an issue.? At 50 watts 
using just the K3 there is no reported issue.? What's the difference??? 
RF field strength.? Sounds like it might be and RFI issue.

Check all PL-259's and make sure they are VERY TIGHT.?? Check jumper 
cables, between each piece of equipment and make sure they are in good 
condition and connectors are properly attached and installed.?? If in 
doubt, replace them.

73

Bob, K4TAX

On 7/1/2019 10:44 PM, Andy Durbin wrote:
> "That leads me to believe that the K3 output is rapidly changing on and off"
>
> I have not looked at the video but this sounds very similar to a problem I have seen.   In my case HDSDR sound output had spontaneously changed to TS-590 TX CODEC creating a feedback loop through the PC.  Break the loop and all is normal.
>
> 73,
> Andy, k3wyc
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From k2vco.vic at gmail.com  Tue Jul  2 00:28:06 2019
From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Vic Rosenthal)
Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2019 07:28:06 +0300
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S subreceiver sound "problem"
In-Reply-To: <726eed18-ea9d-2d36-4387-b9fb1f08d261@verizon.net>
References: <726eed18-ea9d-2d36-4387-b9fb1f08d261@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <C1B78306-7D7E-41B7-93CA-096999BA0529@gmail.com>

If the a/b switch causes the problem to move, then it is something connected to bandwidth (etc.) settings and not a hardware issue with the subrx. The a/b switch doesn?t change which receiver goes to which ear (etc.)

Victor 4X6GP 

> On 2 Jul 2019, at 3:02, Robert G Strickland via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
> 
> I put "problem" in quotes because it's not clear where the "problem" is: me or the radio.
> 
> I recently purchased an Elecraft assembled and tested K3S with a subreceiver and its own 400cps filter. The main receiver has the following filters: 2.8, 1.9, 500 & 200. When I listen to both receivers through good quality headphones, the subreceiver sounds muffled, dull, maybe a bit less volume when the gain and audio settings are identical, all the while the main receiver is crisp and clear. Reversing the head phones reverses the effect which, I think, rules out my hearing and hearing aids.  Reversing things with the A/B switch makes the left channel muffled and dull. I've tried a whole lot of different setup parameters, read the manual and Cady's book carefully, but I can't come up with anything the brightens up the subreceiver. Any suggestions?
> Thanks.
> 
> ...robert
> -- 
> Robert G Strickland, PhD ABPH - KE2WY
> rcrgs at verizon.net.usa
> Syracuse, New York, USA
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From marklgoldberg at gmail.com  Tue Jul  2 00:39:40 2019
From: marklgoldberg at gmail.com (Mark Goldberg)
Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2019 21:39:40 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] When Transmitting on FT8 - KPA500 has issues - KD8ZYD
In-Reply-To: <7fdcdff1-f2b6-d2a0-d13a-5d5ce78b5d6c@blomand.net>
References: <BYAPR16MB29683F8D2621CCC9451EDA438CF80@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
	<7fdcdff1-f2b6-d2a0-d13a-5d5ce78b5d6c@blomand.net>
Message-ID: <CAKn+a3u81ab7s_OtdjRJtNGdqymUodLK+_zpmMzXLcS5c9ep7A@mail.gmail.com>

I'm going to take these two postings and suggest the possibility of RF
getting into the USB link to the PC causing it to drop samples.

Check the grounds and make sure there is a good ground connection between
the PC, Signalink and the radio equipment. Try ferrite beads (Mix 31) on
the USB line or a different USB cable.

73,

Mark
W7MLG


On Mon, Jul 1, 2019 at 9:06 PM Bob McGraw K4TAX <rmcgraw at blomand.net> wrote:

> A clue..... at 500 watts with the KPA500 there is an issue.  At 50 watts
> using just the K3 there is no reported issue.  What's the difference?
> RF field strength.  Sounds like it might be and RFI issue.
>
> Check all PL-259's and make sure they are VERY TIGHT.   Check jumper
> cables, between each piece of equipment and make sure they are in good
> condition and connectors are properly attached and installed.   If in
> doubt, replace them.
>
> 73
>
> Bob, K4TAX
>



On Mon, Jul 1, 2019 at 8:41 PM Michael Walker <va3mw at portcredit.net> wrote:

> Good to send the video
>
> It sounds like the Sound card is dropping audio frames then and can he test
> with WSJTx in their TUNE mode.  Does the same thing happen.
>
> If it was me, I would review the sound card settings for the sound card
> device.  Make sure it IS the one you think it is.
>
> Could the computer be suffering from high DPCs.. aka, is it busy doing
> something else like a virus scan or indexing?
>
> This is one of those times that it would be good to know more about the
> computer hardware, like CPU speed, memory, etc.
>
> Mike va3mw
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 1, 2019 at 11:15 PM Jack Brindle via Elecraft <
> elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
>
> > Fred sent me the video, which is actually very revealing. First the
> change
> > rate is very rapid, higher than I initially expected. The asterisk is on
> > constantly, and the power off time is not long enough for power to drop
> to
> > zero. But what I found very interesting is that the output power
> indication
> > on the K3 is fluctuating at the same rate as the KPA500 is indicating.
> That
> > leads me to believe that the K3 output is rapidly changing on and off.
> The
> > next question is what might be causing this - it might be the K3, but it
> > also could be upstream, in Fred?s Signalink or perhaps the computer /
> > program that is feeding audio to the radio system.
> >
> > With that in mind, and knowing the calibre of folks on the list who are
> > very adept at digital setups, let's see if we can troubleshoot the system
> > and get Fred going again the way things should be.
> >
> > 73!
> > Jack, W6FB

From wunder at wunderwood.org  Tue Jul  2 00:51:37 2019
From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood)
Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2019 21:51:37 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] When Transmitting on FT8 - KPA500 has issues - KD8ZYD
In-Reply-To: <CAKn+a3u81ab7s_OtdjRJtNGdqymUodLK+_zpmMzXLcS5c9ep7A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BYAPR16MB29683F8D2621CCC9451EDA438CF80@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
	<7fdcdff1-f2b6-d2a0-d13a-5d5ce78b5d6c@blomand.net>
	<CAKn+a3u81ab7s_OtdjRJtNGdqymUodLK+_zpmMzXLcS5c9ep7A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <27305E8A-A1A9-4A24-AD8A-2E028FEB6109@wunderwood.org>

Does it happen at 200 W? Sometimes RF in the shack shows up only at higher power levels.

wunder
K6WRU
Walter Underwood
CM87wj
http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog)

> On Jul 1, 2019, at 9:39 PM, Mark Goldberg <marklgoldberg at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I'm going to take these two postings and suggest the possibility of RF
> getting into the USB link to the PC causing it to drop samples.
> 
> Check the grounds and make sure there is a good ground connection between
> the PC, Signalink and the radio equipment. Try ferrite beads (Mix 31) on
> the USB line or a different USB cable.
> 
> 73,
> 
> Mark
> W7MLG
> 
> 
> On Mon, Jul 1, 2019 at 9:06 PM Bob McGraw K4TAX <rmcgraw at blomand.net> wrote:
> 
>> A clue..... at 500 watts with the KPA500 there is an issue.  At 50 watts
>> using just the K3 there is no reported issue.  What's the difference?
>> RF field strength.  Sounds like it might be and RFI issue.
>> 
>> Check all PL-259's and make sure they are VERY TIGHT.   Check jumper
>> cables, between each piece of equipment and make sure they are in good
>> condition and connectors are properly attached and installed.   If in
>> doubt, replace them.
>> 
>> 73
>> 
>> Bob, K4TAX
>> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Mon, Jul 1, 2019 at 8:41 PM Michael Walker <va3mw at portcredit.net> wrote:
> 
>> Good to send the video
>> 
>> It sounds like the Sound card is dropping audio frames then and can he test
>> with WSJTx in their TUNE mode.  Does the same thing happen.
>> 
>> If it was me, I would review the sound card settings for the sound card
>> device.  Make sure it IS the one you think it is.
>> 
>> Could the computer be suffering from high DPCs.. aka, is it busy doing
>> something else like a virus scan or indexing?
>> 
>> This is one of those times that it would be good to know more about the
>> computer hardware, like CPU speed, memory, etc.
>> 
>> Mike va3mw
>> 
>> 
>> On Mon, Jul 1, 2019 at 11:15 PM Jack Brindle via Elecraft <
>> elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
>> 
>>> Fred sent me the video, which is actually very revealing. First the
>> change
>>> rate is very rapid, higher than I initially expected. The asterisk is on
>>> constantly, and the power off time is not long enough for power to drop
>> to
>>> zero. But what I found very interesting is that the output power
>> indication
>>> on the K3 is fluctuating at the same rate as the KPA500 is indicating.
>> That
>>> leads me to believe that the K3 output is rapidly changing on and off.
>> The
>>> next question is what might be causing this - it might be the K3, but it
>>> also could be upstream, in Fred?s Signalink or perhaps the computer /
>>> program that is feeding audio to the radio system.
>>> 
>>> With that in mind, and knowing the calibre of folks on the list who are
>>> very adept at digital setups, let's see if we can troubleshoot the system
>>> and get Fred going again the way things should be.
>>> 
>>> 73!
>>> Jack, W6FB
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From forums at david-woolley.me.uk  Tue Jul  2 06:14:09 2019
From: forums at david-woolley.me.uk (David Woolley)
Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2019 11:14:09 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft KX4
In-Reply-To: <f904a2e1-b6e4-e61b-9cc6-15d84f3b9975@sonic.net>
References: <CAPHmH=OQMp5MmGnj7C2dgPtHeK36biaJchUh3Xhm_MdFU53oiA@mail.gmail.com>
	<2d0527b5-bbd0-44be-d141-0511133180e7@blomand.net>
	<f904a2e1-b6e4-e61b-9cc6-15d84f3b9975@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <934cde39-949b-bb32-0de1-09f3bd5f9008@david-woolley.me.uk>

In my experience, radio amateurs behave like the general public with 
respect to intellectual property; they generally only respect property 
rights in physical objects.  They'll copy magazine articles without 
paying royalties to publisher, play videos at clubs in spite of the home 
use only warnings, etc.

Much experimentation with equipment is probably legally dodgy, although 
I think there are patent exemptions for experimentation, but possibly 
not for subsequent use beyond validating the design,

In terms of only supporting official versions, there are techniques, 
such as digital signatures, to identify official firmware, even if 
people violate trademarks.  Android is open source, but is still trusted 
for some secure applications.

I suspect ELecraft do actually support modified hardware, which most 
people wouldn't.

Incidentally a lot of the original developers of the internet (before 
commercialisation) were radio amateurs.  One of the big reasons that we 
have TCP/IP now and not something based on X.25, and the OSI model, is 
the open source nature of the key implementations.

-- 
David Woolley

On 01/07/2019 19:10, Alan wrote:
> The software was copyrighted, but that didn't prevent some hams (in 
> Germany as I recall) from running a reverse compiler on the code, making 
> a few minor changes, and re-compiling it so they could make pirate chips.


From weaverwf at usermail.com  Tue Jul  2 09:05:27 2019
From: weaverwf at usermail.com (Bill Weaver)
Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2019 09:05:27 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] No TX output in data mode
Message-ID: <c750184a-be08-4351-b201-f93aedc68255@edison.tech>

 

 

 
>  
>  While using my K3 in data A mode with wsjt-x software on 6M, TX stopped, and other data modes also have no TX output. RX remains OK, and CW and SSB TX  &  RX still work OK. Need suggestions on diagnosis or reset process. Direct replies off list are OK. Thanks, Skip W5GAI 

 
> I occasionally have rf get into the laptop and blow it out of the water and everything including the above symptom results. A reboot of the laptop and K3S restart after moving some wires around usually fix it. In my case, better bonding and judicious use of ferrite would cure the problem. I'm still in a "temporary" mode with the station build :-). I'll get there!
 
>
 
> 73
 
> Bill WE5P
 
 
 
   
 

 
 
 

From lladerman at earthlink.net  Tue Jul  2 09:42:04 2019
From: lladerman at earthlink.net (W0FK)
Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2019 06:42:04 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] FS: ELECRAFT P3, P3SVGA, P3TXMON
Message-ID: <1562074924728-0.post@n2.nabble.com>

P3 Panadapter. Comes with cblp3y cable to interface with the K3S and cables
for the K3. $599 plus shipping.
  
P3SVGA P3 Video/FFT Adapter for $245, includes shipping to 50 States.. 
  
P3TXMON P3 transmit monitor/DCHF-2000 1.8-54 MHz, 1- 2000W coupler. $175
plus shipping.
  
Buy all 3 for $999, shipping included 50 States.
   
Shipping and insurance for value included to ?lower 48,? AK and HI will be
additional due to distances involved. PayPal and certified checks accepted,
US sales only. 
 
Please contact me off the list at lladerman AT earthlink DOT net. 73, Lou,
W0FK
 





-----
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"The difference between stupidity and genius is that 
genius has its limits." Albert Einstein


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From bborch at gmail.com  Tue Jul  2 10:18:17 2019
From: bborch at gmail.com (Burl Borcherding)
Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2019 10:18:17 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA 1500 Remote Program V1.27
Message-ID: <E029874F-E6CE-438F-9F53-C00BE3156ABD@gmail.com>

The new software release V1.27 (6/21/19) will now allow WAN connections to your KPA 1500 for true remote operations.  You can now get rid of the extra devices and or computer to control you KPA1500 remotely outside your LAN.

From w4sc at windstream.net  Tue Jul  2 12:00:58 2019
From: w4sc at windstream.net (w4sc)
Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2019 12:00:58 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Keyboard current available through USB
Message-ID: <D2.27.22080.8BF7B1D5@smtp04.aqua.bos.sync.lan>

Looking for the specified current that can be supplied through the keyboard USB connector.  USB2.0 spec says 500ma.  What current (ma) is available from P3?  Is it limited to a lower value through a current monitor / switch?

Sent from Mail for Windows 10


From adamgoler at gmail.com  Tue Jul  2 12:12:40 2019
From: adamgoler at gmail.com (Adam Goler)
Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2019 12:12:40 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 waterfall
In-Reply-To: <BYAPR05MB587914D378627CECB597E3B29AF80@BYAPR05MB5879.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
References: <CACSh70GNKb+U1nZK5EjYKM63urjUEg9xucduHWy-D7=AKCRrAA@mail.gmail.com>
	<BYAPR05MB587914D378627CECB597E3B29AF80@BYAPR05MB5879.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CACSh70EqJTV2tNGhgXATOeL-FujdpfmYahGU9YpUK++Dt3kU9Q@mail.gmail.com>

Pretty cool. Might have to look into this...

Thanks!

On Mon, Jul 1, 2019 at 11:24 PM Todd KH2TJ <w7tr at outlook.com> wrote:

> There was some chatter a couple months back about a board designed by
> UC6UAA that replaces the KXIO2 board.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Onf63FwbiZo
> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Onf63FwbiZo>
> Transceiver Elecraft KX2, I/Q out and time board and PowerSDR. UC6UAA
> Russia. segrus at mail.ru <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Onf63FwbiZo>
> ???????????? ?????? ????? "I/Q ?????? ? ???????". ????????? KX2 ?
> ????????? PowerSDR.
> www.youtube.com
>
>
> Haven't heard much more about it....
>
> Later,
> Todd KH2TJ
>
>

-- 
Adam Goler, PhD
Cell: (425) 985 8700



"Fear is the mind killer."

From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Tue Jul  2 11:12:52 2019
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2019 10:12:52 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] No TX output in data mode
In-Reply-To: <c750184a-be08-4351-b201-f93aedc68255@edison.tech>
References: <c750184a-be08-4351-b201-f93aedc68255@edison.tech>
Message-ID: <67d78a6b-de74-9ddc-43f1-6fd7560c603c@blomand.net>

I've found that all USB cables are not created equal.? Some are 
apparently better shielded than others.?? I tried and replaced 3 or 4 
different ones / brands / lengths, in the same location and 
configuration {between my K3S and my laptop} before I found one that did 
not cause the WSJT-X software to lock up or default on the computer.??? 
Some bands were OK while some were always problematic. ? I also found 
that adding a snap-on ferrite at the computer was a big aid in resolving 
the issue.?? As of now, I can work 160M - 6M at 500 watts {where 
permitted} all modes with the KPA500 with zero issues.

As to "grounding", or bonding,? I do have and strongly suggest that each 
piece of equipment is bonded or connected by an individual dedicated 
conductor to a common point.? I use the station power supply as the 
common point.?? Some say that daisy chain method is preferred, although 
I prefer the star method.?? As to a "station ground" to the outside 
world, in some cases the length of the conductor used between the 
station and external ground point becomes an antenna in the presence of 
the transmitted signal, thus forcing the station above RF ground.?? In 
my case I only use the AC 3rd pin ground for safety and for all 
equipment. Lightning protection is done outside of the house, hence no 
dedicated "station ground" is employed.??? Antennas here use both coax 
fed types and balanced line types.

Good luck with your endeavors.

73

Bob, K4TAX

P.S. - based on your comment........I suggest you not keep or use your 
laptop in the water.?? HI? HI



On 7/2/2019 8:05 AM, Bill Weaver wrote:
>    
>   While using my K3 in data A mode with wsjt-x software on 6M, TX stopped, and other data modes also have no TX output. RX remains OK, and CW and SSB TX  &  RX still work OK. Need suggestions on diagnosis or reset process. Direct replies off list are OK. Thanks, Skip W5GAI
> I occasionally have rf get into the laptop and blow it out of the water and everything including the above symptom results. A reboot of the laptop and K3S restart after moving some wires around usually fix it. In my case, better bonding and judicious use of ferrite would cure the problem. I'm still in a "temporary" mode with the station build :-). I'll get there!
>   73
>   Bill WE5P
>   


From pg at fivesevenfive.org  Tue Jul  2 13:40:11 2019
From: pg at fivesevenfive.org (Phil Genera)
Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2019 13:40:11 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 waterfall
In-Reply-To: <CACSh70EqJTV2tNGhgXATOeL-FujdpfmYahGU9YpUK++Dt3kU9Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACSh70GNKb+U1nZK5EjYKM63urjUEg9xucduHWy-D7=AKCRrAA@mail.gmail.com>
	<BYAPR05MB587914D378627CECB597E3B29AF80@BYAPR05MB5879.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
	<CACSh70EqJTV2tNGhgXATOeL-FujdpfmYahGU9YpUK++Dt3kU9Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CANvpZan-ARQBckFxzT7OwmNYxCXqNjhkBy0MrjRrwUfD9emuFw@mail.gmail.com>

They're available on ebay, apparently, and the listing links to videos of
the required modification.

-- 
Phil
W1JV


On Tue, Jul 2, 2019 at 12:13 PM Adam Goler <adamgoler at gmail.com> wrote:

> Pretty cool. Might have to look into this...
>
> Thanks!
>
> On Mon, Jul 1, 2019 at 11:24 PM Todd KH2TJ <w7tr at outlook.com> wrote:
>
> > There was some chatter a couple months back about a board designed by
> > UC6UAA that replaces the KXIO2 board.
> >
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Onf63FwbiZo
> > <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Onf63FwbiZo>
> > Transceiver Elecraft KX2, I/Q out and time board and PowerSDR. UC6UAA
> > Russia. segrus at mail.ru <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Onf63FwbiZo>
> > ???????????? ?????? ????? "I/Q ?????? ? ???????". ????????? KX2 ?
> > ????????? PowerSDR.
> > www.youtube.com
> >
> >
> > Haven't heard much more about it....
> >
> > Later,
> > Todd KH2TJ
> >
> >
>
> --
> Adam Goler, PhD
> Cell: (425) 985 8700
>
>
>
> "Fear is the mind killer."
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From lladerman at earthlink.net  Tue Jul  2 14:02:27 2019
From: lladerman at earthlink.net (W0FK)
Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2019 11:02:27 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] FS: ELECRAFT P3, P3TXMON
Message-ID: <1562090547007-0.post@n2.nabble.com>

 
P3 Panadapter. Comes with cblp3y cable to interface with the K3S and cables
for the K3. $599 plus shipping.
 
P3TXMON P3 transmit monitor/DCHF-2000 1.8-54 MHz, 1- 2000W coupler. $175
plus shipping.
 
Buy both for $775, shipping included 50 States.
 
PayPal and certified checks accepted, US sales only. 
 
Please contact me off the list to lladerman AT earthlink DOT net.

73, Lou, W0FK
  




-----
St. Louis, MO

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From n1al at sonic.net  Tue Jul  2 14:34:52 2019
From: n1al at sonic.net (Alan)
Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2019 11:34:52 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft KX4
In-Reply-To: <934cde39-949b-bb32-0de1-09f3bd5f9008@david-woolley.me.uk>
References: <CAPHmH=OQMp5MmGnj7C2dgPtHeK36biaJchUh3Xhm_MdFU53oiA@mail.gmail.com>
	<2d0527b5-bbd0-44be-d141-0511133180e7@blomand.net>
	<f904a2e1-b6e4-e61b-9cc6-15d84f3b9975@sonic.net>
	<934cde39-949b-bb32-0de1-09f3bd5f9008@david-woolley.me.uk>
Message-ID: <6465eb0a-955c-8295-dace-2dde88de0a56@sonic.net>

 > I suspect ELecraft do actually support modified hardware, which most 
people wouldn't.

Yes, I believe that is true.? Wayne and Eric are long-time supporters of 
homebrewing.

 > Incidentally a lot of the original developers of the internet (before 
commercialisation) were radio amateurs.

My favorite example of early free software contributors was Irv Hoff 
W6FFC (SK).? He was big in RTTY (radioteletype) in the early days. Among 
other things, he designed the "Mainline" series of FSK demodulators and 
the AK1 frequency-shift keyer.? He wrote a couple of dozen articles 
about RTTY in QST and elsewhere back in the 1960s and early 70s.

Later he got into computers.? Somewhere he acquired a surplus DEC 
computer and had fun programming it to run his RTTY station.? When 
personal computers came out in the 1970s, Irv jumped right in.? His 
contributions to free software included IMP (Irv's Modem Program, later 
"Improved" Modem Program), which became the standard for CP/M and other 
early home computers.

He also wrote many other utilities that he shared freely.? Just a few I 
happen to know about: LHA (file compression and archive program), XIZ 
and XZI to translate machine code from Intel 8080 to Zilog Z-80 and 
vice-versa, BD (find bad disk sectors and lock them out), CHEK (CRC file 
integrity checker), MDM (another modem program), M7LIB (manage telephone 
numbers in MDM library), file13 (file search utility), filt (text 
filters), find (find ASCII string in a file), form (source code 
formatter), formatin (format text files), justify (right margin 
justification), kmd (RCMP utility), listt (list text files to printer 
with nice formatting), mcatxcat (disk catalog system), neat (source code 
reformatter), osmdm (modem program for Osborne 1 computer), oxmdm (modem 
program for Osborne Executive computer), FOR (search RCMP list), DIRR 
(directory listing program), etc. etc.

Alan N1AL


From n1al at sonic.net  Tue Jul  2 15:04:26 2019
From: n1al at sonic.net (Alan)
Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2019 12:04:26 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Keyboard current available through USB
In-Reply-To: <D2.27.22080.8BF7B1D5@smtp04.aqua.bos.sync.lan>
References: <D2.27.22080.8BF7B1D5@smtp04.aqua.bos.sync.lan>
Message-ID: <a0c19012-704d-3e35-3836-a32af33e2b98@sonic.net>

The P3 SVGA USB connector is intended for a keyboard or memory stick, 
which are low-power devices.? For that reason, the current is limited to 
a single unit load = 100 mA (x 5V = 1/2 watt).

Alan N1AL


On 7/2/19 9:00 AM, w4sc wrote:
> Looking for the specified current that can be supplied through the keyboard USB connector.  USB2.0 spec says 500ma.  What current (ma) is available from P3?  Is it limited to a lower value through a current monitor / switch?
>
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From jim at w5la.net  Tue Jul  2 15:49:25 2019
From: jim at w5la.net (Jim Ragsdale)
Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2019 14:49:25 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] TESTING
Message-ID: <520f4baf-e096-284d-70f1-a3ddf25f4cb0@w5la.net>

Testing...thanks!

73, Jim W5LA


From wa6nhc at gmail.com  Tue Jul  2 18:54:26 2019
From: wa6nhc at gmail.com (Rick WA6NHC)
Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2019 15:54:26 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft KX4
In-Reply-To: <6465eb0a-955c-8295-dace-2dde88de0a56@sonic.net>
References: <CAPHmH=OQMp5MmGnj7C2dgPtHeK36biaJchUh3Xhm_MdFU53oiA@mail.gmail.com>
	<2d0527b5-bbd0-44be-d141-0511133180e7@blomand.net>
	<f904a2e1-b6e4-e61b-9cc6-15d84f3b9975@sonic.net>
	<934cde39-949b-bb32-0de1-09f3bd5f9008@david-woolley.me.uk>
	<6465eb0a-955c-8295-dace-2dde88de0a56@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <7030e0d1-2935-93c6-a3ec-7e76963c9696@gmail.com>

And don't forget that he modified the Baudot code (he called it upper 
and lower sets, not case) so that we could transfer binary (actual 
programs) via RTTY, all on the 146.10/70 repeater.

Those were fun days.

Rick nhc


On 7/2/2019 11:34 AM, Alan wrote:
>
> My favorite example of early free software contributors was Irv Hoff 
> W6FFC (SK).? He was big in RTTY (radioteletype) in the early days. 
> Among other things, he designed the "Mainline" series of FSK 
> demodulators and the AK1 frequency-shift keyer.? He wrote a couple of 
> dozen articles about RTTY in QST and elsewhere back in the 1960s and 
> early 70s.
>
> Later he got into computers.? Somewhere he acquired a surplus DEC 
> computer and had fun programming it to run his RTTY station.? When 
> personal computers came out in the 1970s, Irv jumped right in. His 
> contributions to free software included IMP (Irv's Modem Program, 
> later "Improved" Modem Program), which became the standard for CP/M 
> and other early home computers.
>
> He also wrote many other utilities that he shared freely.? Just a few 
> I happen to know about: LHA (file compression and archive program), 
> XIZ and XZI to translate machine code from Intel 8080 to Zilog Z-80 
> and vice-versa, BD (find bad disk sectors and lock them out), CHEK 
> (CRC file integrity checker), MDM (another modem program), M7LIB 
> (manage telephone numbers in MDM library), file13 (file search 
> utility), filt (text filters), find (find ASCII string in a file), 
> form (source code formatter), formatin (format text files), justify 
> (right margin justification), kmd (RCMP utility), listt (list text 
> files to printer with nice formatting), mcatxcat (disk catalog 
> system), neat (source code reformatter), osmdm (modem program for 
> Osborne 1 computer), oxmdm (modem program for Osborne Executive 
> computer), FOR (search RCMP list), DIRR (directory listing program), 
> etc. etc.
>
> Alan N1AL a6nhc at gmail.com 

From thegoeckel at gmail.com  Tue Jul  2 20:13:08 2019
From: thegoeckel at gmail.com (Fred)
Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2019 20:13:08 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] When Transmitting on FT8 - KPA500 has issues - KD8ZYD
Message-ID: <CAODN=v1Y9irWAcU1S93uKSWxTHskHNFWq-qSWuzgPyxpe_amsA@mail.gmail.com>

I?m going to try and answer all the questions that have shown up in this
thread.  I really appreciate all the ideas and things to check.  I do have
a day job (7 years to go) so I only have time to play with this at night
and try and debug.



I drive my KPA 500 with somewhere between 20 and 25 watts from the K3
depending on the band



I do not get any faults on the KPA 500 or KAT 500.



The fault log on the KPA 500 was clean



I will test with WSJTx in the Tune mode and report back.  I will check the
sound card settings to make sure they are correct



My computer is home built, i5-4590 CPU @ 3.3 GHz, 16 GB Memory, SSD Drive,
decent graphics card



Andy, K3WYC posted - I have not looked at the video but this sounds very
similar to a problem I have seen.   In my case HDSDR sound output had
spontaneously changed to TS-590 TX CODEC creating a feedback loop through
the PC.  Break the loop and all is normal.  ? Question, how do you break
the loop?



All connections are good.  When I built the K-Line, I made all new Co-ax
cables with Amphenol connectors.  All Elecraft cables are less than 2 years
old.



I need to add a ground from my MFJ Anderson Power Poll connection strip.
Everything else is grounded to a ground bar, to a 10 foot copper rod
outside the house, connected to another 10 foot copper rod at my tower and
so on.



I have not tried to see if this happens at 200 watts.  I need to pay
attention to see if it happens just on certain bands, or only on my Mosley
or my wire dipole.  It never happens if I am not using the KPA 500.



Jack, W6FB if I let this go and check things as it is happening, do you
think I could damage my equipment?  That is one thing that worries me so
when it happens, I kill the transmit ASAP



I want to thank everyone in the Elecraft community for all the replies!!
Thanks a lot!!



Please let me know if anyone has any other questions.



Fred, KD8ZYD

-- 
Thanks,

Fred

From joseph.durnal at gmail.com  Tue Jul  2 21:07:31 2019
From: joseph.durnal at gmail.com (Joseph M. Durnal)
Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2019 21:07:31 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] The ERR 12V Message Question
Message-ID: <CAAbqqEPBctyfO=jPhvMfib3awuuYcSyNXQTCoA90rD_UBaRjhw@mail.gmail.com>

I'm not sure if I am experiencing the KPA3 power connector issue or
not.  I've gotten the ERR 12V message twice today.  Powering the K3
off and on again will clear the message, but it came back, but cleared
again after a power cycle.

And, as I type this while transmitting some FT8 in the background, it
gave me the error message again.  The full Elecraft K3  KPA3 Power
Connector Replacement  procedure looks like something I won't have
time to do until next month, is there a quick bandaid I an try until
then?  Also, is it safe to use the K3 at 10 watts until I get it
fixed?

Thanks & 73 de Joseph M. Durnal - NE3R

From dennis at mail4life.net  Tue Jul  2 21:15:46 2019
From: dennis at mail4life.net (Dennis Moore)
Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2019 18:15:46 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] The ERR 12V Message Question
In-Reply-To: <CAAbqqEPBctyfO=jPhvMfib3awuuYcSyNXQTCoA90rD_UBaRjhw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAAbqqEPBctyfO=jPhvMfib3awuuYcSyNXQTCoA90rD_UBaRjhw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <07db5d24-72f8-bc6d-a7ed-4e94ef797365@mail4life.net>

That issue went away for me when I switched to a shorter heavier power 
cord. How long/what gauge is your present power cable?

Running 10 watts shouldn't present a problem, not much current draw so 
not much loss in the cable/connector.

Dennis NJ6G

On 7/2/2019 18:07, Joseph M. Durnal wrote:
> I'm not sure if I am experiencing the KPA3 power connector issue or
> not.  I've gotten the ERR 12V message twice today.  Powering the K3
> off and on again will clear the message, but it came back, but cleared
> again after a power cycle.
>
> And, as I type this while transmitting some FT8 in the background, it
> gave me the error message again.  The full Elecraft K3  KPA3 Power
> Connector Replacement  procedure looks like something I won't have
> time to do until next month, is there a quick bandaid I an try until
> then?  Also, is it safe to use the K3 at 10 watts until I get it
> fixed?
>
> Thanks & 73 de Joseph M. Durnal - NE3R


From a.durbin at msn.com  Tue Jul  2 22:19:53 2019
From: a.durbin at msn.com (Andy Durbin)
Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2019 02:19:53 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] When Transmitting on FT8 - KPA500 has issues - KD8ZYD
In-Reply-To: <BYAPR16MB29683F8D2621CCC9451EDA438CF80@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
References: <BYAPR16MB29683F8D2621CCC9451EDA438CF80@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
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"In my case HDSDR sound output had spontaneously changed to TS-590 TX CODEC creating a feedback loop through
the PC.  Break the loop and all is normal.  

? Question, how do you break the loop?"

In my case I simply changed HDSDR sound output back to the Virtual Audio Cable it was intended to be assigned to.   If not using VAC the normal output selection would probably be PC speakers.

The symptoms of the feedback loop were oscillation of power output and TS-590 ALC at about 1 Hz.   The oscillation frequency depends on the delay between signal detection by my SDRPlay RSP, demodulation by HDSDR, and output on PC USB audio to the TS-590.   Seen it several times.  The first time was quite alarming.  Quick fix is to kill HDSDR.

I don't remember hearing any relay click at 1 Hz but I suppose it's possible the feedback loop could cause the KPA500 attenuator relay to activate.

73,
Andy, k3wyc

73,
Andy, k3wyc



From gliderboy1955 at yahoo.com  Tue Jul  2 22:23:59 2019
From: gliderboy1955 at yahoo.com (eric norris)
Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2019 02:23:59 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 PSU FAN ISSUE RESOLVED
References: <155291405.2223471.1562120639812.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <155291405.2223471.1562120639812@mail.yahoo.com>

The squealing PSU fan issue was so bad, I didn't turn the KPA1500 on for many months.? When I finally did, the squeal was gone.? Since it did not turn up on burn-in, I can only guess that some jostling in shipping did something.? After hours of running it has not come back.? Better yet, with the piercing high-pitch scream gone, my Bose noise-cancelling phones again give me a quiet shack??
This is ironic.? Amid many complaining about KPA1500 fan noise, my complaints of what turned out to be a defect condition got lost.? The same thing happened to me with my KPA500, which made a house-filling buzzing sound.? At that time many were complaining about the KPA500 buzz.? I finally arranged a call with support, and was told as soon as I powered it up that that is not normal.? In that case, support sent me a slightly different transformer bolt, and some different washers--problem solved.? In the KPA1500 case, supoort sent me a new led board, and a 50v output resistor as well as new fans.? Once I got the psu cover off, I saw that replacing the fans was beyond my current fine motor skills.? The hive mind suggested taking sound readings with the Sound Meter app, so for those who care, here are the pre and post led board replacement numbers.? I only wish I would have thought of this while that puppy was howling.? Old board:? quiet shack 3am 2.5 ft above fans 33db.? KPA1500 in idle: 47db. Same cdx, new board? quiet shack 33db, KPA1500 at idle: 42db.? Noticeably quieter.? Quieter than one of my AL800Hs.? Quieter than Boudicca the cat purring.
Now the sun is shining, my faith in Elecraft is restored, and I love the KPA1500 again.? I should have known Elecraft would not release an amplifier that sounded like a 737 on throttle up.
73 Eric WD6DBM

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android

From nr4c at widomaker.com  Tue Jul  2 22:45:05 2019
From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c)
Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2019 22:45:05 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] When Transmitting on FT8 - KPA500 has issues - KD8ZYD
In-Reply-To: <CAODN=v1Y9irWAcU1S93uKSWxTHskHNFWq-qSWuzgPyxpe_amsA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAODN=v1Y9irWAcU1S93uKSWxTHskHNFWq-qSWuzgPyxpe_amsA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1CAAC44C-C553-47A9-9F2D-62AD61BC8A9F@widomaker.com>

Does this happen without the amp?  

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill


> On Jul 2, 2019, at 8:13 PM, Fred <thegoeckel at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I?m going to try and answer all the questions that have shown up in this
> thread.  I really appreciate all the ideas and things to check.  I do have
> a day job (7 years to go) so I only have time to play with this at night
> and try and debug.
> 
> 
> 
> I drive my KPA 500 with somewhere between 20 and 25 watts from the K3
> depending on the band
> 
> 
> 
> I do not get any faults on the KPA 500 or KAT 500.
> 
> 
> 
> The fault log on the KPA 500 was clean
> 
> 
> 
> I will test with WSJTx in the Tune mode and report back.  I will check the
> sound card settings to make sure they are correct
> 
> 
> 
> My computer is home built, i5-4590 CPU @ 3.3 GHz, 16 GB Memory, SSD Drive,
> decent graphics card
> 
> 
> 
> Andy, K3WYC posted - I have not looked at the video but this sounds very
> similar to a problem I have seen.   In my case HDSDR sound output had
> spontaneously changed to TS-590 TX CODEC creating a feedback loop through
> the PC.  Break the loop and all is normal.  ? Question, how do you break
> the loop?
> 
> 
> 
> All connections are good.  When I built the K-Line, I made all new Co-ax
> cables with Amphenol connectors.  All Elecraft cables are less than 2 years
> old.
> 
> 
> 
> I need to add a ground from my MFJ Anderson Power Poll connection strip.
> Everything else is grounded to a ground bar, to a 10 foot copper rod
> outside the house, connected to another 10 foot copper rod at my tower and
> so on.
> 
> 
> 
> I have not tried to see if this happens at 200 watts.  I need to pay
> attention to see if it happens just on certain bands, or only on my Mosley
> or my wire dipole.  It never happens if I am not using the KPA 500.
> 
> 
> 
> Jack, W6FB if I let this go and check things as it is happening, do you
> think I could damage my equipment?  That is one thing that worries me so
> when it happens, I kill the transmit ASAP
> 
> 
> 
> I want to thank everyone in the Elecraft community for all the replies!!
> Thanks a lot!!
> 
> 
> 
> Please let me know if anyone has any other questions.
> 
> 
> 
> Fred, KD8ZYD
> 
> -- 
> Thanks,
> 
> Fred
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From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Tue Jul  2 22:54:56 2019
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2019 21:54:56 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] The ERR 12V Message Question
In-Reply-To: <07db5d24-72f8-bc6d-a7ed-4e94ef797365@mail4life.net>
References: <CAAbqqEPBctyfO=jPhvMfib3awuuYcSyNXQTCoA90rD_UBaRjhw@mail.gmail.com>
	<07db5d24-72f8-bc6d-a7ed-4e94ef797365@mail4life.net>
Message-ID: <ab848d42-d813-9e7e-615c-32f61ea784d3@blomand.net>

First, check all power connections.?? And if your radio is powered 
through a DC distribution strip, my suggestion is to not use the strip 
for the radio power.?? In other words, connect the radio power cable 
direct to the power supply.??? Also shorten the power cable to be more 
convenient and have less voltage drop. It is a law of physics; ? more 
wire, more connections = more resistance = more voltage drop for a given 
value of current.? Thus Ohms law? is E = I x R??? {Those power 
distribution blocks are most often very problematic, regardless of what 
the advertising, or rating,? or sales person said.}

As to 10 watts, there is a K3/10 model which is a 10 watt radio. 
However, like the 100 watt version it should not be run at 100% power or 
otherwise 10 watts for FT-8 for a 10 watt radio.?? When you turn the PWR 
back to 12 watts or so with a 100 watt radio, you will hear a relay 
click.? This is the switching of the KPA3 {100 watt amp} out of the 
circuit and then LPA is used as the PA. ? It is rated for 10 watts.? I 
wouldn't suggesting running it at 10 watts no more than I would suggest 
running the KPA3 at 100 watts in the FT-8 mode. ? About 50% rated power 
is a safe value.

As suggestion, remove the covers and remove the KPA3, examine and clean 
the power connectors and put it back in the radio.? This might solve the 
issue and be good for another few months.?? Of course replacement of the 
power connectors is preferred for long term service.

73

Bob, K4TAX


On 7/2/2019 18:07, Joseph M. Durnal wrote:
>> I'm not sure if I am experiencing the KPA3 power connector issue or
>> not.? I've gotten the ERR 12V message twice today.? Powering the K3
>> off and on again will clear the message, but it came back, but cleared
>> again after a power cycle.
>>
>> And, as I type this while transmitting some FT8 in the background, it
>> gave me the error message again.? The full Elecraft K3? KPA3 Power
>> Connector Replacement? procedure looks like something I won't have
>> time to do until next month, is there a quick bandaid I an try until
>> then?? Also, is it safe to use the K3 at 10 watts until I get it
>> fixed?
>>
>> Thanks & 73 de Joseph M. Durnal - NE3R
>


From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Tue Jul  2 23:35:15 2019
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2019 23:35:15 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] When Transmitting on FT8 - KPA500 has issues - KD8ZYD
In-Reply-To: <BYAPR16MB29680CC2C3210DE566BE6AE28CFB0@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
References: <BYAPR16MB29683F8D2621CCC9451EDA438CF80@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
	<BYAPR16MB29680CC2C3210DE566BE6AE28CFB0@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <6d9d76f7-e0a3-0320-a8a2-1d4947c9c428@embarqmail.com>

Andy,

That appears to be a TS-590/HDSDR problem and not a KPA500 problem.
You can likely get more support from th TS-590 and HDSDR forums than 
from us on the Elecraft reflector.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 7/2/2019 10:19 PM, Andy Durbin wrote:
> "In my case HDSDR sound output had spontaneously changed to TS-590 TX CODEC creating a feedback loop through
> the PC.  Break the loop and all is normal.
> 
> ? Question, how do you break the loop?"
> 

From ghyoungman at gmail.com  Wed Jul  3 10:36:20 2019
From: ghyoungman at gmail.com (Grant Youngman)
Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2019 10:36:20 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] FS:  K3/100, P3 -- Reduced Price
Message-ID: <34E3FA9B-3279-4770-941D-3927C5699F78@gmail.com>

This is a price reduction on the fully featured and updated K3/100 and P3 I posted for sale a few days ago.  Both are in exceptional physical condition.

This K3 has the sub receiver, 2M, VLF on Main receiver, and many other features.  The P3 has SVGA and TXMON.

Full configuration details and photos are here:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1AKXbTvGAVxyH8SP8G3EJ9ADuuWN00lVD/view?usp=sharing

Asking $3400 shipped (UPS Ground, CONUS).  Open to offers.

Please reply off list ? ghyoungman at gmail dot com

Grant NQ5T
K3 #2091 KX3 #8342


From w7hsg at comcast.net  Wed Jul  3 10:46:59 2019
From: w7hsg at comcast.net (RALPH TURK)
Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2019 08:46:59 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [Elecraft] K4
Message-ID: <1523022883.699753.1562165219675@connect.xfinity.com>

Will the k4 with Mars software transmit from 1.8 through 30 Mhz with no band stop 

like the K3 has at the IF freq?

Ralph, W7HSG/AFA9RT


From rc.ww5rc at gmail.com  Wed Jul  3 11:20:25 2019
From: rc.ww5rc at gmail.com (Robert 'RC' Conley)
Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2019 10:20:25 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] for sale K2ser#7750
Message-ID: <6f1a6f83-244b-06a5-d458-87e015b3a1a2@gmail.com>


I am relocating to a senior?s apartment complex and will not be allowed 
my ham station. As a result, my Elecraft K2 #7750 has to go.
When I built K2 #7750 it was intended to be a CW only station with 
computer control so only the KIO2 option was included.

I document all my builds. You can see the complete documented build on 
my web site at <http://www.ww5rc.com/KITS/K2-7750/7750.html>.

I had some issues, so I sent it to Alan Wilcox who fixed the issue, 
aligned it, and also built and installed the KIO2 option for me.
Then FT8 came along, so W5LA (Jim Ragsdale) built and installed the KSB2 
option for me as I no longer felt qualified to do the work.
Since Jan 24th until June 12th I have made over 2,500 FT8 QSO's, 
including over 500 QSO's as a W5L special event station with K2 #7750
and various wire antennas: an 80/40 trap inverted Vee and a 40/20 trap 
inverted Vee @ 75'. All with this K2 #7750. Sideband operation
is also available , however you supply the microphone.

I will greatly miss this radio. No need to clutter the reflector, so? 
PLEASE reply off the list.
I am offering my Elecraft K2 #7750 for sale for $850.00 firm. I'll ship 
it USPS PRIORITY MAIL. I'll pay the shipping and the PayPal fees.

73, RC WW5RC ex KC5WA


From rc.ww5rc at gmail.com  Wed Jul  3 12:09:43 2019
From: rc.ww5rc at gmail.com (Robert 'RC' Conley)
Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2019 11:09:43 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] FOR SALE K2 SER#7750
Message-ID: <1e91828a-cee5-1758-1497-4996276f2ff8@gmail.com>

LET'S TRY AGAIN:
I am relocating to a senior?s apartment complex and will not be allowed 
my ham station. As a result, my Elecraft K2 #7750 has to go.
When I built K2 #7750 it was intended to be a CW only station with 
computer control so only the KIO2 option was included.

I document all my builds. You can see the complete documented build on 
my web site at <http://www.ww5rc.com/KITS/K2-7750/7750.html>.

I had some issues, so I sent it to Alan Wilcox who fixed the issue, 
aligned it, and also built and installed the KIO2 option for me.
Then FT8 came along, so W5LA (Jim Ragsdale) built and installed the KSB2 
option for me as I no longer felt qualified to do the work.
Since Jan 24th until June 12th I have made over 2,500 FT8 QSO's, 
including over 500 QSO's as a W5L special event station with K2 #7750
and various wire antennas: an 80/40 trap inverted Vee and a 40/20 trap 
inverted Vee @ 75'. All with this K2 #7750. Sideband operation
is also available , however you supply the microphone.

I will greatly miss this radio. No need to clutter the reflector, so? 
PLEASE reply off the list.
I am offering my Elecraft K2 #7750 for sale for $850.00 firm. I'll ship 
it USPS PRIORITY MAIL. I'll pay the shipping and the PayPal fees.

73, RC WW5RC ex KC5WA


From pubx1 at af2z.net  Wed Jul  3 12:39:26 2019
From: pubx1 at af2z.net (Drew AF2Z)
Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2019 12:39:26 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] The ERR 12V Message Question
In-Reply-To: <CAAbqqEPBctyfO=jPhvMfib3awuuYcSyNXQTCoA90rD_UBaRjhw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAAbqqEPBctyfO=jPhvMfib3awuuYcSyNXQTCoA90rD_UBaRjhw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <74481f71-555c-393e-8622-71a1d9af3efa@af2z.net>

It's been a while since I did mine but I think disassembly/reassembly 
was a significant part of the effort. I did the front panel connector at 
the same time as the power connector. The actual removal of the 
connectors and soldering new ones went pretty quickly. I'm not sure I'd 
want to go through the disassembly for a "quick fix" only to have to do 
it again in another month.

You might want to refer to online blogs about the process, or Youtube 
videos (if any). Sorry, I don't have the links, but one hint: after you 
snip the connectors off the board use an alligator clip to grasp the pin 
stubs for desoldering; it's easier than trying to manage it with a pair 
of dikes.

73,
Drew
AF2Z



On 07/02/19 21:07, Joseph M. Durnal wrote:
> I'm not sure if I am experiencing the KPA3 power connector issue or
> not.  I've gotten the ERR 12V message twice today.  Powering the K3
> off and on again will clear the message, but it came back, but cleared
> again after a power cycle.
> 
> And, as I type this while transmitting some FT8 in the background, it
> gave me the error message again.  The full Elecraft K3  KPA3 Power
> Connector Replacement  procedure looks like something I won't have
> time to do until next month, is there a quick bandaid I an try until
> then?  Also, is it safe to use the K3 at 10 watts until I get it
> fixed?
> 
> Thanks & 73 de Joseph M. Durnal - NE3R
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From MarkMu.Boeing747 at Yahoo.com  Wed Jul  3 12:52:14 2019
From: MarkMu.Boeing747 at Yahoo.com (Mark Murray)
Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2019 12:52:14 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 Command Macro PF1 PF2 Buttons for fast Fan
	Control
Message-ID: <001201d531bf$aaeab240$00c016c0$@Yahoo.com>

These two front panel PF1 PF2 button macros have served me well for
quick access & control of fan speed.  They're not perfect, but they're
still quite a time-saver from having to look over at the amp and scroll
through the main MENU items to find FAN, and then make the selection to
EDIT, and then make the selection of speed change.  If the op is
unfamiliar with programming PF1 and PF2, please see the notes below.

Macro For PF1 :    ^BPT11;^FS;^FC1;^BPH11;
Macro For PF2 :    ^FC0;^BPT03;

If desired, a first long press of PF1 triggers Fan Speed 01 and leaves
the LCD screen fixed in the FAN SPEED window.
If desired, a second long press of PF1 triggers the Fan Speed EDIT
function to allow fast or slow changes in fan speed.
If desired, pressing PF2 turns the fan off and returns the LCD screen to
regular amp STATUS window.


Note-1:  The amp's firmware will (supposedly) provide necessary fan
overrides when heat conditions require such.  
Note-2:  Amp Firmware used was v.02.17
Note-3:  I was unable to configure a single PF macro button to toggle
between FC1 and FC0.
Note-4:  PF Macros are configured and set using Utility > Configuration
> Edit Configuration > PF Keys tab
Note-5:  The KPA1500 Programming Reference has most all command format
possibilities,
      available at Elecraft.com, title: KPA1500 Release Notes
2.2.2019.E740328 ProgrammingReference Rev 2.03.pdf 

Having some fun with the fans and macros, 73 de Mark    W2OR



For those unfamiliar with PF1 PF2 programming, see ....


From ko5v at earthlink.net  Wed Jul  3 15:57:29 2019
From: ko5v at earthlink.net (Jim KO5V)
Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2019 13:57:29 -0600 (GMT-06:00)
Subject: [Elecraft] Fw: Re: K2: "Pop" when switching certain bands
Message-ID: <55121641.5546.1562183849227@wamui-mouse.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Hi again,

I did as Don suggested, and checked the values of all of the capacitors around U1, and all of the band-switching relays. I also re-flowed all of their solder joints. With the bottom panels, top panel and the left-side panel off, the click in the audio was a lot better, and switching VFOs on 15M was quiet. However, after I put it all back together, it's all returned. I looked the the S-meter, and with the RF gain set fully cw, I see the following brief readings that accompany the clicks and pops in the speaker:

15M, VFO A to VFO B: S1;
*15M, VFO B to VFO A: S9;

15M-17M: S1;
17M-15M: click, no reading;

*15M-12M: S5;
12M-15M: click, no reading;

20M-30M: click, no reading;
30M-20M: click, no reading.

The other bands/VFOs switch quietly.

Otherwise, the radio seems to work just fine, and has been performing well. I recently set 15M VFO B to 20MHz WWV, and that's when I noticed this. I wonder if I should just forget about it, except the S5 and S9 pops just don't give me a good feeling.

How does the radio switch between VFO A and VFO B? I assume it's done in the firmware, but is some relay (or a band-specific relay) involved? 

Has anyone else with a K2 noticed something similar? Should I be looking somewhere else, or just move on?

Thanks, and sorry to keep obsessing about this.

73, Jim KO5V


From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Wed Jul  3 16:49:00 2019
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2019 16:49:00 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Fw: Re: K2: "Pop" when switching certain bands
In-Reply-To: <55121641.5546.1562183849227@wamui-mouse.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <55121641.5546.1562183849227@wamui-mouse.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <e49f8b7e-0b0f-9149-a5cf-e1bdf1e58843@embarqmail.com>

Jim,

There is no relay action when changing from VFO A to B or the other way 
around - the MCU just sends different data to the PLL and PLL Reference 
Oscillator.

However, 20 MHz may be on the lower limit of the available VFO tuning 
range for 15 meters.
Try tuning the VFO for both A and B back into the 15 meter band limits.

73,
Don W3FPR



On 7/3/2019 3:57 PM, Jim KO5V wrote:
> Hi again,
>
> I did as Don suggested, and checked the values of all of the capacitors around U1, and all of the band-switching relays. I also re-flowed all of their solder joints. With the bottom panels, top panel and the left-side panel off, the click in the audio was a lot better, and switching VFOs on 15M was quiet. However, after I put it all back together, it's all returned. I looked the the S-meter, and with the RF gain set fully cw, I see the following brief readings that accompany the clicks and pops in the speaker:
>
> 15M, VFO A to VFO B: S1;
> *15M, VFO B to VFO A: S9;
>
> 15M-17M: S1;
> 17M-15M: click, no reading;
>
> *15M-12M: S5;
> 12M-15M: click, no reading;
>
> 20M-30M: click, no reading;
> 30M-20M: click, no reading.
>
> The other bands/VFOs switch quietly.
>
> Otherwise, the radio seems to work just fine, and has been performing well. I recently set 15M VFO B to 20MHz WWV, and that's when I noticed this. I wonder if I should just forget about it, except the S5 and S9 pops just don't give me a good feeling.
>
> How does the radio switch between VFO A and VFO B? I assume it's done in the firmware, but is some relay (or a band-specific relay) involved?
>
>


From ko5v at earthlink.net  Wed Jul  3 17:24:39 2019
From: ko5v at earthlink.net (Jim KO5V)
Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2019 17:24:39 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Elecraft] Fw: Re: K2: "Pop" when switching certain bands
Message-ID: <115094391.6369.1562189079139@wamui-mouse.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Don,

Setting each VFO to a frequency within the 15M band cured the "VFO B-A" pop. I checked the other bands, and found 20M "popping" when changing VFOs. One was set to 14.223, the other to 14.342. I found a pop as I tuned through ~14.348, so setting that VFO to a frequency lower that that, cured it. Does the rig effectively tune through the frequencies between the VFOs as it is switched, so if there are pops, it might see them?

I still hear pops that are louder than I like as I tune from 15M to 12M, and 17M. When going from each of those bands into 15, it is more of a click - like between 20M and 10M. I guess I can live with that.

Thanks again for your patience. and for sharing your experience.

73, Jim KO5V


-----Original Message-----
>From: Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com>
>Sent: Jul 3, 2019 4:49 PM
>To: Jim KO5V <ko5v at earthlink.net>, Elecraft List <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
>Subject: Re: Fw: Re: K2: "Pop" when switching certain bands
>
>Jim,
>
>There is no relay action when changing from VFO A to B or the other way 
>around - the MCU just sends different data to the PLL and PLL Reference 
>Oscillator.
>
>However, 20 MHz may be on the lower limit of the available VFO tuning 
>range for 15 meters.
>Try tuning the VFO for both A and B back into the 15 meter band limits.
>
>73,
>Don W3FPR
>
>
>
>On 7/3/2019 3:57 PM, Jim KO5V wrote:
>> Hi again,
>>
>> I did as Don suggested, and checked the values of all of the capacitors around U1, and all of the band-switching relays. I also re-flowed all of their solder joints. With the bottom panels, top panel and the left-side panel off, the click in the audio was a lot better, and switching VFOs on 15M was quiet. However, after I put it all back together, it's all returned. I looked the the S-meter, and with the RF gain set fully cw, I see the following brief readings that accompany the clicks and pops in the speaker:
>>
>> 15M, VFO A to VFO B: S1;
>> *15M, VFO B to VFO A: S9;
>>
>> 15M-17M: S1;
>> 17M-15M: click, no reading;
>>
>> *15M-12M: S5;
>> 12M-15M: click, no reading;
>>
>> 20M-30M: click, no reading;
>> 30M-20M: click, no reading.
>>
>> The other bands/VFOs switch quietly.
>>
>> Otherwise, the radio seems to work just fine, and has been performing well. I recently set 15M VFO B to 20MHz WWV, and that's when I noticed this. I wonder if I should just forget about it, except the S5 and S9 pops just don't give me a good feeling.
>>
>> How does the radio switch between VFO A and VFO B? I assume it's done in the firmware, but is some relay (or a band-specific relay) involved?
>>
>>
>

From n6kr at elecraft.com  Wed Jul  3 17:33:31 2019
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2019 14:33:31 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K4
In-Reply-To: <1523022883.699753.1562165219675@connect.xfinity.com>
References: <1523022883.699753.1562165219675@connect.xfinity.com>
Message-ID: <E106D3BE-F424-4750-9457-A18957636353@elecraft.com>


> On Jul 3, 2019, at 7:46 AM, RALPH TURK <w7hsg at comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> Will the k4 with Mars software transmit from 1.8 through 30 Mhz with no band stop 
> like the K3 has at the IF freq?

The K3 will transmit and receive in the 8 MHz range as long as you're using direct sampling mode. The HDR module (in the K4HD model) has an 8 MHz I.F., like a K3, so it would have to be turned off in this case.

73,
Wayne
N6KR



From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Wed Jul  3 17:47:13 2019
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2019 17:47:13 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Fw: Re: K2: "Pop" when switching certain bands
In-Reply-To: <115094391.6369.1562189079139@wamui-mouse.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <115094391.6369.1562189079139@wamui-mouse.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <94896b24-54a1-98de-6ad4-e767d9cdcf6b@embarqmail.com>

Jim,

You might want to check the PLL Reference Oscillator Range on that K2 - 
sometimes called the "R30 voltage".

Don W3FPR

On 7/3/2019 5:24 PM, Jim KO5V wrote:
> Don,
>
> Setting each VFO to a frequency within the 15M band cured the "VFO B-A" pop. I checked the other bands, and found 20M "popping" when changing VFOs. One was set to 14.223, the other to 14.342. I found a pop as I tuned through ~14.348, so setting that VFO to a frequency lower that that, cured it. Does the rig effectively tune through the frequencies between the VFOs as it is switched, so if there are pops, it might see them?
>
> I still hear pops that are louder than I like as I tune from 15M to 12M, and 17M. When going from each of those bands into 15, it is more of a click - like between 20M and 10M. I guess I can live with that.
>
> Thanks again for your patience. and for sharing your experience.
>
> 73, Jim KO5V
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com>
>> Sent: Jul 3, 2019 4:49 PM
>> To: Jim KO5V <ko5v at earthlink.net>, Elecraft List <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
>> Subject: Re: Fw: Re: K2: "Pop" when switching certain bands
>>
>> Jim,
>>
>> There is no relay action when changing from VFO A to B or the other way
>> around - the MCU just sends different data to the PLL and PLL Reference
>> Oscillator.
>>
>> However, 20 MHz may be on the lower limit of the available VFO tuning
>> range for 15 meters.
>> Try tuning the VFO for both A and B back into the 15 meter band limits.
>>


From llachow at gmail.com  Wed Jul  3 18:47:40 2019
From: llachow at gmail.com (LL)
Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2019 18:47:40 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] bizarre 30m ---> 20m K1
Message-ID: <CAGx7+ZRLs2f49FAV5-7Fkivi93akq_sG1jDHtKG2EPmYNa54Rw@mail.gmail.com>

My new 30-40m K1 arrived, and it seems to work well...EXCEPT:

When switching from 40 to 30, tapping BAND shows first 10, then 150, than
50.0, for 10150.0. But the RBN showed that it's transmitting on 14050!

How can this be. This transmitter is on 20. 10131 = 14031.

help

From jereed at ameritech.net  Wed Jul  3 19:09:53 2019
From: jereed at ameritech.net (Joseph Reed)
Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2019 18:09:53 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] bizarre 30m ---> 20m K1
In-Reply-To: <CAGx7+ZRLs2f49FAV5-7Fkivi93akq_sG1jDHtKG2EPmYNa54Rw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGx7+ZRLs2f49FAV5-7Fkivi93akq_sG1jDHtKG2EPmYNa54Rw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F3974074-5FBE-4044-8F78-237AEEB0DDEA@ameritech.net>

If RBN shows you are on 20m you are on 20m.  You must have a 40/20 board.  Enter the menu, B2 and change it from 1o to 14.

RBN doesn?t lie often.

Joe N9JR

> On Jul 3, 2019, at 5:47 PM, LL <llachow at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> My new 30-40m K1 arrived, and it seems to work well...EXCEPT:
> 
> When switching from 40 to 30, tapping BAND shows first 10, then 150, than
> 50.0, for 10150.0. But the RBN showed that it's transmitting on 14050!
> 
> How can this be. This transmitter is on 20. 10131 = 14031.
> 
> help
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From n6kr at elecraft.com  Wed Jul  3 19:51:14 2019
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2019 16:51:14 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 UI extensibility:  "REM ANT" switch, Fn switches,
 automatic macros, and host-curated custom controls
Message-ID: <F73CE0BE-3F8B-4964-9ED1-82812259831B@elecraft.com>

The other day someone asked me whether we might add remote antenna rotator control to the K4 front panel. This is a good time to point out a characteristic that's baked into the K4's user interface: extensibility. 

For example, we included a dedicated switch function called REM ANT. (This is the "hold" function of the main ANT switch.) We'll be able to add multiple antenna-related controls to this switch. It might bring up a rotator controller, remote antenna switch controller, even custom switching for complex stations -- right on the K4's screen. You could assign labels to custom functions or name your antennas to improve usability.

Like the K3/K3S, the K4 also has programmable function switches. But it has many more of them. There are four dedicated switches (PF1-PF4) above the RIT/XIT offset control, plus another 14 tap/hold functions accessible by tapping the "Fn" soft switch on the LCD. 

Any of these programmable controls can be used as simple shortcuts to often-used menu entries or other functions. We're also planning to include means for setting up switch "macros" (collections of commands) either manually or automatically. 

Users of our existing transceivers may already be familiar with manual macro setup. In this case you'd enter a string of K4 2-letter commands as text. 

Automatic macro setup will work differently: first you'll select a programmable control as the target, then record any combination of other controls to it by activating them in the desired order. 

For example, suppose you frequently use two different waterfall heights (as a percentage of total panadapter height). You could manually enter the text for a switch macro using the pertinent commands. In the automatic method, you would start macro record, adjust the waterfall to one of the desired values in the usual way, then stop macro record. That Fn or PFn control would now perform the same operation with a single switch activation. This could be repeated to add other custom settings.

Another example is setting up the VFOs and second receiver for DXing. You might start macro record, then tap A>B twice (copying both frequency and mode, etc.), then offset VFO B by 2 kHz, turn on the second RX, and set the passbands for the two receivers to useful starting points. When you terminate macro record, you'll now be able to do all of this with one press.

Taking things a step further, the K4 will allow external computer applications to "curate" their own controls on the K4's LCD. In its simplest form, this would allow an application to send details of one or more custom menu entries to the K4. These menu entries would appear in the K4's own menu, typically in the "APPS" category. The user could then make changes to the external application's settings directly from the K4's screen when it isn't convenient to do it at the computer.

Of course this will also work the other way around. Virtually all K4 functions will be controllable from computer applications capable of sending control commands via USB, RS232, or Ethernet.

73,
Wayne
N6KR


From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Wed Jul  3 21:56:49 2019
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2019 18:56:49 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] bizarre 30m ---> 20m K1
In-Reply-To: <F3974074-5FBE-4044-8F78-237AEEB0DDEA@ameritech.net>
References: <CAGx7+ZRLs2f49FAV5-7Fkivi93akq_sG1jDHtKG2EPmYNa54Rw@mail.gmail.com>
	<F3974074-5FBE-4044-8F78-237AEEB0DDEA@ameritech.net>
Message-ID: <2b0dd083-cb48-05fb-8482-8db56572ba33@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On 7/3/2019 4:09 PM, Joseph Reed wrote:
> f RBN shows you are on 20m you are on 20m.  You must have a 40/20 board.  Enter the menu, B2 and change it from 1o to 14.
>
> RBN doesn?t lie often.

It can if someone feeding RBN feeds an in correct frequency.

A small frequency counter is good thing to have around. Hook a simple 
antenna to it and transmit a carrier. MFJ sells one for about $125.

73, Jim K9YC



From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Wed Jul  3 23:09:29 2019
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2019 22:09:29 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] bizarre 30m ---> 20m K1
In-Reply-To: <2b0dd083-cb48-05fb-8482-8db56572ba33@audiosystemsgroup.com>
References: <CAGx7+ZRLs2f49FAV5-7Fkivi93akq_sG1jDHtKG2EPmYNa54Rw@mail.gmail.com>
	<F3974074-5FBE-4044-8F78-237AEEB0DDEA@ameritech.net>
	<2b0dd083-cb48-05fb-8482-8db56572ba33@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Message-ID: <0737cd90-1d0c-d6ae-db85-10d734fe4f57@blomand.net>

These are available and are adequate for general ham radio use. They are 
$10.21 each + $3.50 shipping.? Worth having just to look at.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/High-Accuracy-1-500-MHz-Frequency-Counter-RF-Meter-Tester-Module-For-ham-Radio/153185195290?epid=1770853839&_trkparms=ispr%3D1&hash=item23aa8c951a:g:K60AAOSwWlFboHKb&enc=AQADAAAB4KX%2FKt4E1xf3SDqEdBclaYZ0E217zpW8SU8H%2FujnnPBbpaSFms4Sooby1WY1sKW5ITvV9md78AhAFIX8RTRB9Ip9XbaOCh7xiLsAbdPvvXw9ypAXChgAMtzl6Dc5nL1VBlFy73XeFVY4rAnGTXpZGx0%2B7TQ15VTbjf28Qln55lFindOgyXf9s8dsE3r%2BStBf3CXzC0c7D5v3UX6ftsRIUESt483bj2YG%2Fm1Gok9CIz7NCKOTt7pxEZz9amsyzhmhCkagmPdBZDyzKOnrQUG87S3Pq5BsKGlXBESqxA%2B8m3zqTNCDS6bxnIxq4ew1g7wwgjqpa14yipNGvfaNQICEOr7e2A2KYwKFTOEt6mY14h3ywoMhkv9%2FNSYotWdUb5VIfIQwddvh8m5DEHiljY0x3IvXeIqT2818uog6c6orikK1NRtUAZZcMv7M6n3SXFC5QCGSJGRm4oMRaekCWxwqjdieTAquojMes%2BDMPMuOPwJFElppUmZFjhkNun3%2FVAgEH%2BMFp1r%2BGs5jn%2F7cA07Sz56mPn%2B3nVNiLGaZUndECTcQ4F0i2jn0wVRXUkHslZzQ%2BaMntPMhDY%2Bs2oq9gB6jYEq0vK5iL7giQ95mHDkqjby55Gs2FOWYRGr5Idi1b6gV2Q%3D%3D&checksum=153185195290c46a87f9170d487182e22e577a958bbd


73
Bob, K4TAX

> A small frequency counter is good thing to have around. Hook a simple 
> antenna to it and transmit a carrier. MFJ sells one for about $125.
>
> 73, Jim K9YC
>
>


From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Wed Jul  3 23:56:12 2019
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2019 23:56:12 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] bizarre 30m ---> 20m K1
In-Reply-To: <CAGx7+ZRLs2f49FAV5-7Fkivi93akq_sG1jDHtKG2EPmYNa54Rw@mail.gmail.com>
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Lloyd,

Take a look at the crystals on the 2 band board.  The crystal for 40m 
will be 15MHz, the one for 30m will be either 18.0 or 18.1 depending on 
whether you have the 150kHz or 80kHz VFO tuning range.  The crystal for 
20m is 22MHz.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 7/3/2019 6:47 PM, LL wrote:
> My new 30-40m K1 arrived, and it seems to work well...EXCEPT:
> 
> When switching from 40 to 30, tapping BAND shows first 10, then 150, than
> 50.0, for 10150.0. But the RBN showed that it's transmitting on 14050!
> 
> How can this be. This transmitter is on 20. 10131 = 14031.
> 

From wunder at wunderwood.org  Thu Jul  4 00:39:52 2019
From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood)
Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2019 21:39:52 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] bizarre 30m ---> 20m K1
In-Reply-To: <2b0dd083-cb48-05fb-8482-8db56572ba33@audiosystemsgroup.com>
References: <CAGx7+ZRLs2f49FAV5-7Fkivi93akq_sG1jDHtKG2EPmYNa54Rw@mail.gmail.com>
	<F3974074-5FBE-4044-8F78-237AEEB0DDEA@ameritech.net>
	<2b0dd083-cb48-05fb-8482-8db56572ba33@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Message-ID: <17DAFC9F-78A6-4179-880D-84F2A2649DD6@wunderwood.org>

Maybe transmit into a dummy load and listen on a different receiver? You should get enough leakage to hear the K1.

wunder
K6WRU
Walter Underwood
CM87wj
http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog)

> On Jul 3, 2019, at 6:56 PM, Jim Brown <jim at audiosystemsgroup.com> wrote:
> 
> On 7/3/2019 4:09 PM, Joseph Reed wrote:
>> f RBN shows you are on 20m you are on 20m.  You must have a 40/20 board.  Enter the menu, B2 and change it from 1o to 14.
>> 
>> RBN doesn?t lie often.
> 
> It can if someone feeding RBN feeds an in correct frequency.
> 
> A small frequency counter is good thing to have around. Hook a simple antenna to it and transmit a carrier. MFJ sells one for about $125.
> 
> 73, Jim K9YC
> 
> 
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From djwilcox01 at yahoo.com  Thu Jul  4 05:35:28 2019
From: djwilcox01 at yahoo.com (David Wilcox)
Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2019 05:35:28 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] FOR SALE K2 SER#7750
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Guys,

This is a great opportunity.  I have two of RC?s earlier builds (K2 and I think KX1) and he is obsessive with his records and detail.  He sent my K2 out for professional tune up before sending it to me.  It is pristine and still sits in a place of honor on my desk.

You are getting a gem of a radio no matter what he sells.

Dave K8WPE since 1960

David J. Wilcox K8WPE?s iPad

> On Jul 3, 2019, at 12:09 PM, Robert 'RC' Conley <rc.ww5rc at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> LET'S TRY AGAIN:
> I am relocating to a senior?s apartment complex and will not be allowed my ham station. As a result, my Elecraft K2 #7750 has to go.
> When I built K2 #7750 it was intended to be a CW only station with computer control so only the KIO2 option was included.
> 
> I document all my builds. You can see the complete documented build on my web site at <http://www.ww5rc.com/KITS/K2-7750/7750.html>.
> 
> I had some issues, so I sent it to Alan Wilcox who fixed the issue, aligned it, and also built and installed the KIO2 option for me.
> Then FT8 came along, so W5LA (Jim Ragsdale) built and installed the KSB2 option for me as I no longer felt qualified to do the work.
> Since Jan 24th until June 12th I have made over 2,500 FT8 QSO's, including over 500 QSO's as a W5L special event station with K2 #7750
> and various wire antennas: an 80/40 trap inverted Vee and a 40/20 trap inverted Vee @ 75'. All with this K2 #7750. Sideband operation
> is also available , however you supply the microphone.
> 
> I will greatly miss this radio. No need to clutter the reflector, so  PLEASE reply off the list.
> I am offering my Elecraft K2 #7750 for sale for $850.00 firm. I'll ship it USPS PRIORITY MAIL. I'll pay the shipping and the PayPal fees.
> 
> 73, RC WW5RC ex KC5WA
> 
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From w1ie at jetbroadband.com  Thu Jul  4 11:18:46 2019
From: w1ie at jetbroadband.com (w1ie at jetbroadband.com)
Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2019 11:18:46 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K4
In-Reply-To: <E106D3BE-F424-4750-9457-A18957636353@elecraft.com>
References: <1523022883.699753.1562165219675@connect.xfinity.com>
	<E106D3BE-F424-4750-9457-A18957636353@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <01af01d5327b$c6848f00$538dad00$@jetbroadband.com>

Wayne,

May I ask how would I use  direct sampling mode in the K3?

-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On
Behalf Of Wayne Burdick
Sent: Wednesday, July 3, 2019 17:34 PM
To: RALPH TURK <w7hsg at comcast.net>
Cc: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K4


> On Jul 3, 2019, at 7:46 AM, RALPH TURK <w7hsg at comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> Will the k4 with Mars software transmit from 1.8 through 30 Mhz with 
> no band stop like the K3 has at the IF freq?

The K3 will transmit and receive in the 8 MHz range as long as you're using
direct sampling mode. The HDR module (in the K4HD model) has an 8 MHz I.F.,
like a K3, so it would have to be turned off in this case.

73,
Wayne
N6KR


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From ghyoungman at gmail.com  Thu Jul  4 11:30:24 2019
From: ghyoungman at gmail.com (Grant Youngman)
Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2019 11:30:24 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K4
In-Reply-To: <01af01d5327b$c6848f00$538dad00$@jetbroadband.com>
References: <1523022883.699753.1562165219675@connect.xfinity.com>
	<E106D3BE-F424-4750-9457-A18957636353@elecraft.com>
	<01af01d5327b$c6848f00$538dad00$@jetbroadband.com>
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The operative word is ?typo :-)

Grant NQ5T
K3 #2091 KX3 #8342

> On Jul 4, 2019, at 11:18 AM, <w1ie at jetbroadband.com> <w1ie at jetbroadband.com> wrote:
> 
> Wayne,
> 
> May I ask how would I use  direct sampling mode in the K3?
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On
> Behalf Of Wayne Burdick
> Sent: Wednesday, July 3, 2019 17:34 PM
> To: RALPH TURK <w7hsg at comcast.net>
> Cc: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K4
> 
> 
>> On Jul 3, 2019, at 7:46 AM, RALPH TURK <w7hsg at comcast.net> wrote:
>> 
>> Will the k4 with Mars software transmit from 1.8 through 30 Mhz with 
>> no band stop like the K3 has at the IF freq?
> 
> The K3 will transmit and receive in the 8 MHz range as long as you're using
> direct sampling mode. The HDR module (in the K4HD model) has an 8 MHz I.F.,
> like a K3, so it would have to be turned off in this case.
> 


From k2vco.vic at gmail.com  Thu Jul  4 11:46:58 2019
From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP)
Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2019 18:46:58 +0300
Subject: [Elecraft] K4
In-Reply-To: <01af01d5327b$c6848f00$538dad00$@jetbroadband.com>
References: <1523022883.699753.1562165219675@connect.xfinity.com>
	<E106D3BE-F424-4750-9457-A18957636353@elecraft.com>
	<01af01d5327b$c6848f00$538dad00$@jetbroadband.com>
Message-ID: <7aeaca08-7c3d-c3e3-1c50-c8555dc0ab33@gmail.com>

He meant K4, of course. Good thing he didn't accidentally type "K5" or 
it would have given rise to another 48,674 queries.


73,
Victor, 4X6GP
Rehovot, Israel
Formerly K2VCO
CWops no. 5
http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/
On 04/07/2019 18:18, w1ie at jetbroadband.com wrote:
> Wayne,
> 
> May I ask how would I use  direct sampling mode in the K3?
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On
> Behalf Of Wayne Burdick
> Sent: Wednesday, July 3, 2019 17:34 PM
> To: RALPH TURK <w7hsg at comcast.net>
> Cc: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K4
> 
> 
>> On Jul 3, 2019, at 7:46 AM, RALPH TURK <w7hsg at comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>> Will the k4 with Mars software transmit from 1.8 through 30 Mhz with
>> no band stop like the K3 has at the IF freq?
> 
> The K3 will transmit and receive in the 8 MHz range as long as you're using
> direct sampling mode. The HDR module (in the K4HD model) has an 8 MHz I.F.,
> like a K3, so it would have to be turned off in this case.
> 
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR

From nr4c at widomaker.com  Thu Jul  4 12:11:34 2019
From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c)
Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2019 12:11:34 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K4
In-Reply-To: <01af01d5327b$c6848f00$538dad00$@jetbroadband.com>
References: <1523022883.699753.1562165219675@connect.xfinity.com>
	<E106D3BE-F424-4750-9457-A18957636353@elecraft.com>
	<01af01d5327b$c6848f00$538dad00$@jetbroadband.com>
Message-ID: <6E8E4D14-F784-49DD-9A2D-7C0B6378E87D@widomaker.com>

He meant K4. I spent a while thinking about that myself. Has to be K4 as he later mentioned turning Superhet front-end OFF in order to get to Direct Sampling mode. 

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill


> On Jul 4, 2019, at 11:18 AM, <w1ie at jetbroadband.com> <w1ie at jetbroadband.com> wrote:
> 
> Wayne,
> 
> May I ask how would I use  direct sampling mode in the K3?
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On
> Behalf Of Wayne Burdick
> Sent: Wednesday, July 3, 2019 17:34 PM
> To: RALPH TURK <w7hsg at comcast.net>
> Cc: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K4
> 
> 
>> On Jul 3, 2019, at 7:46 AM, RALPH TURK <w7hsg at comcast.net> wrote:
>> 
>> Will the k4 with Mars software transmit from 1.8 through 30 Mhz with 
>> no band stop like the K3 has at the IF freq?
> 
> The K3 will transmit and receive in the 8 MHz range as long as you're using
> direct sampling mode. The HDR module (in the K4HD model) has an 8 MHz I.F.,
> like a K3, so it would have to be turned off in this case.
> 
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR
> 
> 
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From n6kr at elecraft.com  Thu Jul  4 12:31:31 2019
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2019 09:31:31 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K4
In-Reply-To: <6E8E4D14-F784-49DD-9A2D-7C0B6378E87D@widomaker.com>
References: <1523022883.699753.1562165219675@connect.xfinity.com>
	<E106D3BE-F424-4750-9457-A18957636353@elecraft.com>
	<01af01d5327b$c6848f00$538dad00$@jetbroadband.com>
	<6E8E4D14-F784-49DD-9A2D-7C0B6378E87D@widomaker.com>
Message-ID: <A8299D38-83FF-4E05-B42E-7434C350FD4C@elecraft.com>

Sorry about that. The K3/K3S is strictly superhet. 

Wayne 

----
elecraft.com

> On Jul 4, 2019, at 9:11 AM, Nr4c <nr4c at widomaker.com> wrote:
> 
> He meant K4. I spent a while thinking about that myself. Has to be K4 as he later mentioned turning Superhet front-end OFF in order to get to Direct Sampling mode. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> ...nr4c. bill
> 
> 
>> On Jul 4, 2019, at 11:18 AM, <w1ie at jetbroadband.com> <w1ie at jetbroadband.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Wayne,
>> 
>> May I ask how would I use  direct sampling mode in the K3?
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On
>> Behalf Of Wayne Burdick
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 3, 2019 17:34 PM
>> To: RALPH TURK <w7hsg at comcast.net>
>> Cc: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K4
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jul 3, 2019, at 7:46 AM, RALPH TURK <w7hsg at comcast.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Will the k4 with Mars software transmit from 1.8 through 30 Mhz with 
>>> no band stop like the K3 has at the IF freq?
>> 
>> The K3 will transmit and receive in the 8 MHz range as long as you're using
>> direct sampling mode. The HDR module (in the K4HD model) has an 8 MHz I.F.,
>> like a K3, so it would have to be turned off in this case.
>> 
>> 73,
>> Wayne
>> N6KR
>> 
>> 
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From kh at kh-translation.dk  Thu Jul  4 14:31:26 2019
From: kh at kh-translation.dk (Kjeld Holm)
Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2019 18:31:26 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Digital modes on 144MHz only
Message-ID: <AM0PR03MB553863DE40CDE9D3F09EE28F9DFA0@AM0PR03MB5538.eurprd03.prod.outlook.com>

Digital modes on 144MHz only

I plan for a second station to use for digital modes on 144MHz only. If you look at performance only (no price, no ergonomics, no use outside digital modes on 144MHz) what would you prefer

1)   K3/K3S with internal transverter
2)   IC-9700

In both cases I plan to use a 1kW amplifier. 

Vy 73 de OZ1CCM, Kjeld

From a.durbin at msn.com  Thu Jul  4 15:01:37 2019
From: a.durbin at msn.com (Andy Durbin)
Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2019 19:01:37 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Kenwood / KPA500 cable
Message-ID: <BYAPR16MB29689DB1C6AE4CF9412134FB8CFA0@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>

What cable is Elecraft selling for interfacing the Kenwood TS-890S or TS-590SG with the KPA500.  Can someone point me to a cable drawing?   A post to TS-890S group seems to suggest that Elecraft is selling a cable that does not support active low solid state keying for these rigs.

Thanks and 73,
Andy, k3wyc

From wes_n7ws at triconet.org  Thu Jul  4 17:14:24 2019
From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes)
Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2019 14:14:24 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Digital modes on 144MHz only
In-Reply-To: <AM0PR03MB553863DE40CDE9D3F09EE28F9DFA0@AM0PR03MB5538.eurprd03.prod.outlook.com>
References: <AM0PR03MB553863DE40CDE9D3F09EE28F9DFA0@AM0PR03MB5538.eurprd03.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <38d9a84e-95e2-895f-989f-42e314ed38dd@triconet.org>

I don't know the '9700, but if you already have a K3(S), I would say an external 
transverter like an XV144.

Wes? N7WS

On 7/4/2019 11:31 AM, Kjeld Holm wrote:
> Digital modes on 144MHz only
>
> I plan for a second station to use for digital modes on 144MHz only. If you look at performance only (no price, no ergonomics, no use outside digital modes on 144MHz) what would you prefer
>
> 1)   K3/K3S with internal transverter
> 2)   IC-9700
>
> In both cases I plan to use a 1kW amplifier.
>
> Vy 73 de OZ1CCM, Kjeld
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From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Thu Jul  4 17:25:28 2019
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2019 14:25:28 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Kenwood / KPA500 cable
In-Reply-To: <BYAPR16MB29689DB1C6AE4CF9412134FB8CFA0@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
References: <BYAPR16MB29689DB1C6AE4CF9412134FB8CFA0@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <d42ec461-40e2-4642-fd0f-d185fd6c45fa@audiosystemsgroup.com>

Hi Andy,

I have no idea what they're selling, but all you need is coax for RF and 
a cable to connect the rig's Amp Key out to an RCA on the KPA500.? 
That's all I've ever used. Elecraft amps and tuners all detect RF 
frequency near instantaneously, and switch to the right band.

73, Jim K9YC

On 7/4/2019 12:01 PM, Andy Durbin wrote:
> What cable is Elecraft selling for interfacing the Kenwood TS-890S or TS-590SG with the KPA500.



From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Thu Jul  4 18:11:58 2019
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2019 17:11:58 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Digital modes on 144MHz only
In-Reply-To: <38d9a84e-95e2-895f-989f-42e314ed38dd@triconet.org>
References: <AM0PR03MB553863DE40CDE9D3F09EE28F9DFA0@AM0PR03MB5538.eurprd03.prod.outlook.com>
	<38d9a84e-95e2-895f-989f-42e314ed38dd@triconet.org>
Message-ID: <462fc84c-2278-1be9-4954-1e37fb8a1d5d@blomand.net>

Make sure you balance the station receive performance with that of the 1 
KW amp.?? Power is easy to generate.?? Low noise receive performance is 
a challenge.?? Start with a mast mounted low noise preamp, then low loss 
feedline such as 7/8" hard-line, and such. Remember, loss in the 
feedline adds to receiver noise.

I encounter many stations that have great signals but seemingly can't 
hear other stations calling them.? I call them alligators.......all 
mouth, no ears.

73

Bob, K4TAX


On 7/4/2019 4:14 PM, Wes wrote:
> I don't know the '9700, but if you already have a K3(S), I would say 
> an external transverter like an XV144.
>
> Wes? N7WS
>
> On 7/4/2019 11:31 AM, Kjeld Holm wrote:
>> Digital modes on 144MHz only
>>
>> I plan for a second station to use for digital modes on 144MHz only. 
>> If you look at performance only (no price, no ergonomics, no use 
>> outside digital modes on 144MHz) what would you prefer
>>
>> 1)?? K3/K3S with internal transverter
>> 2)?? IC-9700
>>
>> In both cases I plan to use a 1kW amplifier.
>>
>> Vy 73 de OZ1CCM, Kjeld
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From hbjr at optilink.us  Thu Jul  4 19:48:17 2019
From: hbjr at optilink.us (hbjr at optilink.us)
Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2019 19:48:17 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Digital modes on 144MHz only
In-Reply-To: <AM0PR03MB553863DE40CDE9D3F09EE28F9DFA0@AM0PR03MB5538.eurprd03.prod.outlook.com>
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I was not happy with the 9700 - it had calibration issues.  I returned it.

I have the internal K144XV with the reflock board and 1PPM TXCO installed in
the K3S - the external reference clock for the K3S would be better.  So far
it has worked on the few digital modes I have tried.  I use an external
soundcard (PK-232sc+) because I like its specs and it also is a real TNC for
packet and pactor.  So far so good.  I'm only running a 200 watt amplifier.

Hank
K4HYJ

-----Original Message-----
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Behalf Of Kjeld Holm
Sent: Thursday, July 4, 2019 2:31 PM
To: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: [Elecraft] Digital modes on 144MHz only

Digital modes on 144MHz only

I plan for a second station to use for digital modes on 144MHz only. If you
look at performance only (no price, no ergonomics, no use outside digital
modes on 144MHz) what would you prefer

1)   K3/K3S with internal transverter
2)   IC-9700

In both cases I plan to use a 1kW amplifier. 

Vy 73 de OZ1CCM, Kjeld
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From a.durbin at msn.com  Thu Jul  4 19:48:55 2019
From: a.durbin at msn.com (Andy Durbin)
Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2019 23:48:55 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Kenwood / KPA500 cable
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"but all you need is coax for RF and a cable to connect the rig's Amp Key out to an RCA on the KPA500"

Hi Jim,

I know you, and probably many others, are content to use RF frequency detection but it did not appeal to me.  In fact I disliked it so much that I have invested a lot of effort in creating a controller that configures my KAT500 and KPA500 before any RF is emitted. (It does a lot of other things too)

I don't have a TS-890S, just the much more humble cousin the TS-590S.  My only interest in the cable was to help a TS-890S owner.  The configuration of the keying cable is independent of whether RF detection is used or not.   A proper cable for the TS-590SG and TS-890S would use the active low solid state output of the rig, not the relay output (Especially true since Elecraft take great pride in silent keying).

73,
Andy, k3wyc


From alan at wilcoxengineering.com  Thu Jul  4 20:01:56 2019
From: alan at wilcoxengineering.com (Alan D. Wilcox)
Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2019 20:01:56 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Legacy K2 Tuneup, Rescue, Build Services
Message-ID: <CDFA5545-1563-4037-A2A8-58583330142F@wilcoxengineering.com>

Hello,

Does your K2 need repair? Tuneup?
Want to sell it, but it needs some attention before offering it for sale? 

In addition to tuning your rig, I can also rescue a building project you might have started some time ago.

See what my clients have said about my construction and service work at 
http://www.eham.net/reviews/detail/6768 

Photos of the popular "Twins" -- the KPA100 and KAT100 in EC2 enclosure --  are at
https://wilcoxengineering.com/kpa100-in-ec2/ 

Cheers,
Alan

Alan D. Wilcox, W3DVX (K2-5373, K3-40)
570-916-9590 (cell, text)
http://amazon.com/author/alandwilcox
Williamsport, PA 17701


From jpfreitag at mac.com  Thu Jul  4 21:34:13 2019
From: jpfreitag at mac.com (John and Rita Freitag)
Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2019 21:34:13 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] CW problem
Message-ID: <F664B72E-FCD8-413F-924D-AC9DE687AE28@mac.com>

I am trying to run down a CW transmit problem on my K3s. Anytime I change the mode from LSB or USB on any band to CW it starts to send a ?dit? without stopping and I have to halt it by restoring the configuration. This does fix it until I try to switch to CW again; and then, the same story. 

I recently removed a Kent (straight key plug) and the problem showed up. Any ideas?

    (+) John Freitag, WW4JF


From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Fri Jul  5 00:02:52 2019
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2019 21:02:52 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Kenwood / KPA500 cable
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On 7/4/2019 4:48 PM, Andy Durbin wrote:
> I know you, and probably many others, are content to use RF frequency detection but it did not appeal to me.

I'm a huge fan of KISS when it's just as good as complicated. :) And 
Elecraft's implementation is VERY good.

73, Jim K9YC


From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Fri Jul  5 01:01:34 2019
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2019 22:01:34 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Digital modes on 144MHz only
In-Reply-To: <462fc84c-2278-1be9-4954-1e37fb8a1d5d@blomand.net>
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	<38d9a84e-95e2-895f-989f-42e314ed38dd@triconet.org>
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In today's world, a mast-mounted preamp is a waste of effort for the 
vast majority of hams because circuit noise in the receiver is rarely 
the limitation on what we hear. Rather it's all the trash from the 
electronics in our homes and homes of our neighbors, in addition to 
power line noise. I've recently been working 6M grid expeditions to VERY 
quiet places, and the ops say that they have to run high power to get 
over the local noise of the stations who want to work them.? That's why 
I bought the KPA1500 that will show up next week. :)

Most of the time, my QTH is pretty quiet, and although I'm running 500W 
to 4-el at 120 ft fed with 7/8 hard line, I nearly always give a signal 
report that's 10-15dB better than I receive. Today I worked a station 
double-hop E-skip who I gave +1 and he gave me -24.

When it's quiet, it's because I worked to make it that way. When it's 
not, it's when some new source fires up.? One of the things I'd be 
concerned about with the internally mounted transverter is frequency 
stability due to the additional internally generated heat.

I don't know how they're building them now, but the XV144 and XV220 I 
bought used about 15 years ago have serious bonding issues, and they can 
be a bit unstable. One of the most serious design faults is the that BNC 
I/O connectors are insulated from the shielding enclosure!? Hello!? 
Clearly the designer did the wrong thing to fix whatever instability was 
caused by other errors.

73, Jim K9YC



73, Jim K9YC

On 7/4/2019 3:11 PM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote:
> Make sure you balance the station receive performance with that of the 
> 1 KW amp.?? Power is easy to generate.?? Low noise receive performance 
> is a challenge.?? Start with a mast mounted low noise preamp, then low 
> loss feedline such as 7/8" hard-line, and such. Remember, loss in the 
> feedline adds to receiver noise.
>
> I encounter many stations that have great signals but seemingly can't 
> hear other stations calling them.? I call them alligators.......all 
> mouth, no ears. 



From k3wjv at yahoo.com  Fri Jul  5 03:11:28 2019
From: k3wjv at yahoo.com (Bill Stravinsky)
Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2019 07:11:28 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] The ERR 12V Message Question
In-Reply-To: <74481f71-555c-393e-8622-71a1d9af3efa@af2z.net>
References: <CAAbqqEPBctyfO=jPhvMfib3awuuYcSyNXQTCoA90rD_UBaRjhw@mail.gmail.com>
	<74481f71-555c-393e-8622-71a1d9af3efa@af2z.net>
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 The problem is in the male and female connectors.? I don't think a shorter power cable will do anything.? There is no substitute for replacing the connectors.When I had mine act up Elecraft sent me the wrong parts.? I had a contest coming up and wouldn't have enough time to get the correct parts.? I took the boardout and cleaned the pins (you could see they were discolored and needed replacing).
That worked for the upcoming contest and didn't fail all weekend and for 2 or 3 more weeks then the ERR 12v fault returned.? I had received the correct partsshortly after the contest weekend and did the replacement.? All has been fine since.? That was almost two years ago.
BillK3WJV
p.s.? The complete repair took a lot less time than I thought, an afternoon as I recall.

    On Wednesday, July 3, 2019, 12:43:08 PM EDT, Drew AF2Z <pubx1 at af2z.net> wrote:  
 
 It's been a while since I did mine but I think disassembly/reassembly 
was a significant part of the effort. I did the front panel connector at 
the same time as the power connector. The actual removal of the 
connectors and soldering new ones went pretty quickly. I'm not sure I'd 
want to go through the disassembly for a "quick fix" only to have to do 
it again in another month.

You might want to refer to online blogs about the process, or Youtube 
videos (if any). Sorry, I don't have the links, but one hint: after you 
snip the connectors off the board use an alligator clip to grasp the pin 
stubs for desoldering; it's easier than trying to manage it with a pair 
of dikes.

73,
Drew
AF2Z



On 07/02/19 21:07, Joseph M. Durnal wrote:
> I'm not sure if I am experiencing the KPA3 power connector issue or
> not.? I've gotten the ERR 12V message twice today.? Powering the K3
> off and on again will clear the message, but it came back, but cleared
> again after a power cycle.
> 
> And, as I type this while transmitting some FT8 in the background, it
> gave me the error message again.? The full Elecraft K3? KPA3 Power
> Connector Replacement? procedure looks like something I won't have
> time to do until next month, is there a quick bandaid I an try until
> then?? Also, is it safe to use the K3 at 10 watts until I get it
> fixed?
> 
> Thanks & 73 de Joseph M. Durnal - NE3R
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From k6xk at ncn.net  Fri Jul  5 06:58:12 2019
From: k6xk at ncn.net (Roy Koeppe)
Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2019 05:58:12 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] CW problem
In-Reply-To: <F664B72E-FCD8-413F-924D-AC9DE687AE28@mac.com>
References: <F664B72E-FCD8-413F-924D-AC9DE687AE28@mac.com>
Message-ID: <A675333D0D7D47A987F030E66F30B232@ROYKOEPPEHP>

John, I think you may have won the Unique Problem Award with that one. Good 
luck (sorry).

Roy     K6XK


I am trying to run down a CW transmit problem on my K3s. Anytime I change 
the mode from LSB or USB on any band to CW it starts to send a ?dit? without 
stopping and I have to halt it by restoring the configuration. This does fix 
it until I try to switch to CW again; and then, the same story.

I recently removed a Kent (straight key plug) and the problem showed up. Any 
ideas?

     John Freitag, WW4JF




From va3mw at portcredit.net  Fri Jul  5 07:15:11 2019
From: va3mw at portcredit.net (Michael Walker)
Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2019 07:15:11 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] CW problem
In-Reply-To: <A675333D0D7D47A987F030E66F30B232@ROYKOEPPEHP>
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Good morning 

Do you have any external programs connected via CAT control?

Mike va3mw

Sent from my iPad

> On Jul 5, 2019, at 6:58 AM, Roy Koeppe <k6xk at ncn.net> wrote:
> 
> John, I think you may have won the Unique Problem Award with that one. Good luck (sorry).
> 
> Roy     K6XK
> 
> 
> I am trying to run down a CW transmit problem on my K3s. Anytime I change the mode from LSB or USB on any band to CW it starts to send a ?dit? without stopping and I have to halt it by restoring the configuration. This does fix it until I try to switch to CW again; and then, the same story.
> 
> I recently removed a Kent (straight key plug) and the problem showed up. Any ideas?
> 
>    John Freitag, WW4JF
> 
> 
> 
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From g0ruz at g0ruz.com  Fri Jul  5 07:16:31 2019
From: g0ruz at g0ruz.com (Conrad PA5Y)
Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2019 11:16:31 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Digital modes on 144MHz only
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Neither!


I would buy a good transverter to use with a K3S. Two obvious choices.


https://shop.kuhne-electronic.com/kuhne/en/shop/converter-transverte/transverter/TR+144++PRO++Transverter/?card=1621

TR 144 - PRO, Transverter - Kuhne Electronic Amateur Radio Shop<https://shop.kuhne-electronic.com/kuhne/en/shop/converter-transverte/transverter/TR+144++PRO++Transverter/?card=1621>
shop.kuhne-electronic.com
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http://www.ha1ya.hu/htmkepek/me2t_pro3_spec.htm

ME2T-PRO3 & ME2HT-PRO3 transverter specifications<http://www.ha1ya.hu/htmkepek/me2t_pro3_spec.htm>
www.ha1ya.hu
? Frequency Coverage: 144.0-146.0MHz band. ? IF in/out Frequency : 28.0-30.0MHz, or 14.0-16.0MHz ? LO frq stability: Low phase noise, 1ppm PDI or optional 0.5ppm AXTAL TCXO's! ? I/O Impedance : 50 Ohm unbalanced ? Input Voltage : 13.8VDC, +-5%, polarity mismatch, 10A -40dB EMI filter. ? Power Consumption : 0.55A on RX, 5.5A on TX @30W out version, 10.5A @50W version.
Both of these transverters will outperform the Elecraft transverter with respect to TX PN, IMD and RX IMD. They are both excellent, the HA1YA is considerably cheaper and that is what I chose, actually in my case the ME2T XP because I need 2 channels for Xpol EME. I have extensively tested all these combinations.


The IC9700 is nice and convenient and quite reasonable but both the TX and RX performance is inferior to the K3S with either of the above transverters.


73


Conrad PA5Y




________________________________
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> on behalf of Kjeld Holm <kh at kh-translation.dk>
Sent: 04 July 2019 20:31
To: Elecraft Reflector
Subject: [Elecraft] Digital modes on 144MHz only

Digital modes on 144MHz only

I plan for a second station to use for digital modes on 144MHz only. If you look at performance only (no price, no ergonomics, no use outside digital modes on 144MHz) what would you prefer

1)   K3/K3S with internal transverter
2)   IC-9700

In both cases I plan to use a 1kW amplifier.

Vy 73 de OZ1CCM, Kjeld
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From va3mw at portcredit.net  Fri Jul  5 07:43:36 2019
From: va3mw at portcredit.net (Michael Walker)
Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2019 07:43:36 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Digital modes on 144MHz only
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Hi

These are the Transverters I use. 

Very good quality and they can be 10mhz gps locked. 


http://www.q5signal.com/

Mike va3mw


Sent from my iPad

> On Jul 5, 2019, at 7:16 AM, Conrad PA5Y <g0ruz at g0ruz.com> wrote:
> 
> Neither!
> 
> 
> I would buy a good transverter to use with a K3S. Two obvious choices.
> 
> 
> https://shop.kuhne-electronic.com/kuhne/en/shop/converter-transverte/transverter/TR+144++PRO++Transverter/?card=1621
> 
> TR 144 - PRO, Transverter - Kuhne Electronic Amateur Radio Shop<https://shop.kuhne-electronic.com/kuhne/en/shop/converter-transverte/transverter/TR+144++PRO++Transverter/?card=1621>
> shop.kuhne-electronic.com
> Endkundenshop main_nav Produkte Meta-Description
> 
> 
> 
> http://www.ha1ya.hu/htmkepek/me2t_pro3_spec.htm
> 
> ME2T-PRO3 & ME2HT-PRO3 transverter specifications<http://www.ha1ya.hu/htmkepek/me2t_pro3_spec.htm>
> www.ha1ya.hu
> ? Frequency Coverage: 144.0-146.0MHz band. ? IF in/out Frequency : 28.0-30.0MHz, or 14.0-16.0MHz ? LO frq stability: Low phase noise, 1ppm PDI or optional 0.5ppm AXTAL TCXO's! ? I/O Impedance : 50 Ohm unbalanced ? Input Voltage : 13.8VDC, +-5%, polarity mismatch, 10A -40dB EMI filter. ? Power Consumption : 0.55A on RX, 5.5A on TX @30W out version, 10.5A @50W version.
> Both of these transverters will outperform the Elecraft transverter with respect to TX PN, IMD and RX IMD. They are both excellent, the HA1YA is considerably cheaper and that is what I chose, actually in my case the ME2T XP because I need 2 channels for Xpol EME. I have extensively tested all these combinations.
> 
> 
> The IC9700 is nice and convenient and quite reasonable but both the TX and RX performance is inferior to the K3S with either of the above transverters.
> 
> 
> 73
> 
> 
> Conrad PA5Y
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ________________________________
> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> on behalf of Kjeld Holm <kh at kh-translation.dk>
> Sent: 04 July 2019 20:31
> To: Elecraft Reflector
> Subject: [Elecraft] Digital modes on 144MHz only
> 
> Digital modes on 144MHz only
> 
> I plan for a second station to use for digital modes on 144MHz only. If you look at performance only (no price, no ergonomics, no use outside digital modes on 144MHz) what would you prefer
> 
> 1)   K3/K3S with internal transverter
> 2)   IC-9700
> 
> In both cases I plan to use a 1kW amplifier.
> 
> Vy 73 de OZ1CCM, Kjeld
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From 4z5cp at bezeqint.net  Fri Jul  5 07:51:48 2019
From: 4z5cp at bezeqint.net (Dimitry Borzenko)
Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2019 11:51:48 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Digital modes on 144MHz only
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Hi All.
Internal transverter possible to use but with external BPF

de 4z5cp



------ Original Message ------
From: "Michael Walker" <va3mw at portcredit.net>
To: "Elecraft Reflector" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: 05.07.2019 14:43:36
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Digital modes on 144MHz only

>Hi
>
>These are the Transverters I use.
>
>Very good quality and they can be 10mhz gps locked.
>
>
>http://www.q5signal.com/
>
>Mike va3mw
>
>
>Sent from my iPad
>
>>  On Jul 5, 2019, at 7:16 AM, Conrad PA5Y <g0ruz at g0ruz.com> wrote:
>>
>>  Neither!
>>
>>
>>  I would buy a good transverter to use with a K3S. Two obvious choices.
>>
>>
>>  https://shop.kuhne-electronic.com/kuhne/en/shop/converter-transverte/transverter/TR+144++PRO++Transverter/?card=1621
>>
>>  TR 144 - PRO, Transverter - Kuhne Electronic Amateur Radio Shop<https://shop.kuhne-electronic.com/kuhne/en/shop/converter-transverte/transverter/TR+144++PRO++Transverter/?card=1621>
>>  shop.kuhne-electronic.com
>>  Endkundenshop main_nav Produkte Meta-Description
>>
>>
>>
>>  http://www.ha1ya.hu/htmkepek/me2t_pro3_spec.htm
>>
>>  ME2T-PRO3 & ME2HT-PRO3 transverter specifications<http://www.ha1ya.hu/htmkepek/me2t_pro3_spec.htm>
>>  www.ha1ya.hu
>>  ? Frequency Coverage: 144.0-146.0MHz band. ? IF in/out Frequency : 28.0-30.0MHz, or 14.0-16.0MHz ? LO frq stability: Low phase noise, 1ppm PDI or optional 0.5ppm AXTAL TCXO's! ? I/O Impedance : 50 Ohm unbalanced ? Input Voltage : 13.8VDC, +-5%, polarity mismatch, 10A -40dB EMI filter. ? Power Consumption : 0.55A on RX, 5.5A on TX @30W out version, 10.5A @50W version.
>>  Both of these transverters will outperform the Elecraft transverter with respect to TX PN, IMD and RX IMD. They are both excellent, the HA1YA is considerably cheaper and that is what I chose, actually in my case the ME2T XP because I need 2 channels for Xpol EME. I have extensively tested all these combinations.
>>
>>
>>  The IC9700 is nice and convenient and quite reasonable but both the TX and RX performance is inferior to the K3S with either of the above transverters.
>>
>>
>>  73
>>
>>
>>  Conrad PA5Y
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  ________________________________
>>  From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> on behalf of Kjeld Holm <kh at kh-translation.dk>
>>  Sent: 04 July 2019 20:31
>>  To: Elecraft Reflector
>>  Subject: [Elecraft] Digital modes on 144MHz only
>>
>>  Digital modes on 144MHz only
>>
>>  I plan for a second station to use for digital modes on 144MHz only. If you look at performance only (no price, no ergonomics, no use outside digital modes on 144MHz) what would you prefer
>>
>>  1)   K3/K3S with internal transverter
>>  2)   IC-9700
>>
>>  In both cases I plan to use a 1kW amplifier.
>>
>>  Vy 73 de OZ1CCM, Kjeld
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From dm4im at t-online.de  Fri Jul  5 08:35:10 2019
From: dm4im at t-online.de (Martin)
Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2019 14:35:10 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] Digital modes on 144MHz only
Message-ID: <c604d8b8-153c-815b-5a6b-0524dbfc7fc5@t-online.de>


That's not quite right. The overall system noise is determined by the 
preamp noise figure when mounted as close  to the antenna as possible. 
Cable losses (=noise) after the preamp can be neglected, as long as the 
gain of the preamp is higher than the losses in subsequent components. 
So the cable AFTER the preamp can be pretty lossy. OTOH, too much gain 
from the preamp easily overdrives your transceiver's RX. A good balance 
between gain vs. cable losses is mandatory. The noise figure of the 
pramp is crucial.
If you are satisfied with your transverter's noise figure , mount it 
close to the antenna via a short run low loss cable, if you can. This 
saves the expenses for a preamp.

This applies to the RX path. I'm not talking cable quality or output 
power for TX.


 > Message: 15
 > Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2019 17:11:58 -0500
 > From: Bob McGraw K4TAX <rmcgraw at blomand.net>
 > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
 > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Digital modes on 144MHz only
 >
 > ..... Start with a mast mounted low noise preamp, then low loss
 > feedline such as 7/8" hard-line, and such. Remember, loss in the
 > feedline adds to receiver noise.
 > ..........
 >


-- 

Ohne CW ist es nur CB..

73, Martin DM4iM

From wes_n7ws at triconet.org  Fri Jul  5 09:08:19 2019
From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes)
Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2019 06:08:19 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Digital modes on 144MHz only
In-Reply-To: <c604d8b8-153c-815b-5a6b-0524dbfc7fc5@t-online.de>
References: <c604d8b8-153c-815b-5a6b-0524dbfc7fc5@t-online.de>
Message-ID: <61284186-3e6f-6ea5-2d04-c3878dc758e3@triconet.org>

That isn't quite right either.? The preamp gain must be much higher than the 
following losses to minimize second stage degradation. (Line loss degrades the 
NF of the second stage)

Wes? N7WS

On 7/5/2019 5:35 AM, Martin wrote:
>
> That's not quite right. The overall system noise is determined by the preamp 
> noise figure when mounted as close? to the antenna as possible. Cable losses 
> (=noise) after the preamp can be neglected, as long as the gain of the preamp 
> is higher than the losses in subsequent components. So the cable AFTER the 
> preamp can be pretty lossy. OTOH, too much gain from the preamp easily 
> overdrives your transceiver's RX. A good balance between gain vs. cable losses 
> is mandatory. The noise figure of the pramp is crucial.
> If you are satisfied with your transverter's noise figure , mount it close to 
> the antenna via a short run low loss cable, if you can. This saves the 
> expenses for a preamp.
>
> This applies to the RX path. I'm not talking cable quality or output power for 
> TX.
>
>
> > Message: 15
> > Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2019 17:11:58 -0500
> > From: Bob McGraw K4TAX <rmcgraw at blomand.net>
> > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Digital modes on 144MHz only
> >
> > ..... Start with a mast mounted low noise preamp, then low loss
> > feedline such as 7/8" hard-line, and such. Remember, loss in the
> > feedline adds to receiver noise.
> > ..........
> >
>
>


From wes_n7ws at triconet.org  Fri Jul  5 09:15:04 2019
From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes)
Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2019 06:15:04 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Digital modes on 144MHz only
In-Reply-To: <f0ffc1eb-2640-b552-7197-4d7f5259e1f4@audiosystemsgroup.com>
References: <AM0PR03MB553863DE40CDE9D3F09EE28F9DFA0@AM0PR03MB5538.eurprd03.prod.outlook.com>
	<38d9a84e-95e2-895f-989f-42e314ed38dd @triconet.org>
	<462fc84c-2278-1be9-4954-1e37fb8a1d5d@blomand.net>
	<f0ffc1eb-2640-b552-7197-4d7f5259e1f4@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Message-ID: <fa9ed416-491d-5500-31f9-1701625d2e03@triconet.org>

The OP was talking about 144 MHz.? For weak signal work I can't imagine not 
using a mast-mounted preamp. Even with sub 1 dB NF devices (that we paid dearly 
for when I was on EME) located in the shack, line loss is a killer.

Wes? N7WS

On 7/4/2019 10:01 PM, Jim Brown wrote:
> In today's world, a mast-mounted preamp is a waste of effort for the vast 
> majority of hams because circuit noise in the receiver is rarely the 
> limitation on what we hear.


From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Fri Jul  5 09:55:15 2019
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2019 09:55:15 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] CW problem
In-Reply-To: <F664B72E-FCD8-413F-924D-AC9DE687AE28@mac.com>
References: <F664B72E-FCD8-413F-924D-AC9DE687AE28@mac.com>
Message-ID: <ac4f238a-0114-8fcd-3278-6d56d07a9f47@embarqmail.com>

John,

The recommended troubleshooting steps in cases like this is to remove 
everything from the K3 except the power cable and the coax to a dummy load.

With that done, does the problem still appear - if so contact 
support at elecraft.com.

If it does not appear, then plug things back in one at a time to see 
which external device is causing the problem.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 7/4/2019 9:34 PM, John and Rita Freitag via Elecraft wrote:
> I am trying to run down a CW transmit problem on my K3s. Anytime I change the mode from LSB or USB on any band to CW it starts to send a ?dit? without stopping and I have to halt it by restoring the configuration. This does fix it until I try to switch to CW again; and then, the same story.
> 

From rocketnj at gmail.com  Fri Jul  5 10:54:22 2019
From: rocketnj at gmail.com (rocketnj at gmail.com)
Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2019 10:54:22 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA 1500 Remote Program V1.27
In-Reply-To: <E029874F-E6CE-438F-9F53-C00BE3156ABD@gmail.com>
References: <E029874F-E6CE-438F-9F53-C00BE3156ABD@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <017201d53341$88805420$9980fc60$@gmail.com>

What I would like to see is ability to control amp from a smartphone, either
native app or a web page via login/password. I've been working on the latter
using a Raspberry Pi in the shack talking to the amp via Ethernet. It acts
as a web server. I have the telemetry working now and next step is the
control logic (on/off, oper/stby, fan speed increase/decrease, etc).

See attached picture. This is from a web browser.

Dave wo2x




-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On
Behalf Of Burl Borcherding
Sent: Tuesday, July 2, 2019 10:18 AM
To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA 1500 Remote Program V1.27

The new software release V1.27 (6/21/19) will now allow WAN connections to
your KPA 1500 for true remote operations.  You can now get rid of the extra
devices and or computer to control you KPA1500 remotely outside your LAN.
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From rwnewbould at comcast.net  Fri Jul  5 10:57:05 2019
From: rwnewbould at comcast.net (Rich)
Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2019 10:57:05 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] OT a bit: K3 Ant Tuner
Message-ID: <21cd377a-9d58-e242-b817-3a73cbe0d8f8@comcast.net>

To minimize emails direct replies would be nice.? I searched the web and 
could not find an answer.?? I know there are a ton of smart folks on 
this list so I thought I would ask.

On Field Day at typical setup is :

K3 (or any radio) - bandpass filter -? External Antenna Tuner? - Antenna

So the antenna was tuned via the external tuner, but saw a guy then 
using the K3 ant tuner to touch up the SWR between the radio and the 
bandpass filter.? Is that an acceptable practice?

I would think not?

Rich

K3RWN


From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Fri Jul  5 11:32:08 2019
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2019 11:32:08 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] OT a bit: K3 Ant Tuner
In-Reply-To: <21cd377a-9d58-e242-b817-3a73cbe0d8f8@comcast.net>
References: <21cd377a-9d58-e242-b817-3a73cbe0d8f8@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <1f610199-6a2f-d87e-403a-e76145b92107@embarqmail.com>

Rich,

Yes and no.  With 2 antenna tuners in-line, there will be a bit more 
loss due to inductor winding resistance, but other than that, it should 
do harm.

Several bandpass filters indicate that they should be between the rig 
and the tuner (so the bandpass filters are not run at a high SWR).
If the power rating of the bandpass filter is marginal with respect to 
the rig power, then I would observe that caution. Refer to the bandpass 
filter specs.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 7/5/2019 10:57 AM, Rich wrote:
> To minimize emails direct replies would be nice.? I searched the web and 
> could not find an answer.?? I know there are a ton of smart folks on 
> this list so I thought I would ask.
> 
> On Field Day at typical setup is :
> 
> K3 (or any radio) - bandpass filter -? External Antenna Tuner? - Antenna
> 
> So the antenna was tuned via the external tuner, but saw a guy then 
> using the K3 ant tuner to touch up the SWR between the radio and the 
> bandpass filter.? Is that an acceptable practice?
> 

From dhaines at bates.edu  Fri Jul  5 11:48:32 2019
From: dhaines at bates.edu (David Haines)
Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2019 11:48:32 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] When Transmitting on FT8 - KPA500 has issues - KD8ZYD
In-Reply-To: <88B39461-3778-4BF0-9081-2FD3D4C3A80F@gmail.com>
References: <CAODN=v37xhe4Kvva2-LUGdxkj+oC1FXVJXxrA09f6Qd8zvcgaQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CALK4bwh1YKwNq4pGxf7t5=Aqj+uY3Cb-93z_cBx7AYA12EPOXw@mail.gmail.com>
	<88B39461-3778-4BF0-9081-2FD3D4C3A80F@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <b2c36777-3d5b-fb1e-05b4-26752f0c890c@bates.edu>

I haven't been following this thread closely, but it sounds like what 
has been going on with my K3X with KXPA100 and internal ATU on FT8.

Transmitting with 100w, the relays click rapidly while the power meter 
on the KXPA100? jumps up and down.? Seems to be trying to find a match 
that's not there.? I've been trying different settings and the problem 
goes away when I increase the "power" (audio output) slider on WSJT-X.? 
Increasing MIC GAIN and reducing the WSJT-X "power" slider seems to fix 
it too. Does this make sense to anybody?

73, David, KC1DNY

On 7/1/2019 9:26 PM, Fred wrote:

> Hi Ken,
>
> It only happens when running digital mode FT8. And it doesn?t happen all the time when running digital mode. Ken I?ll send the video I made. I just looked at it and it has an *.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Fred
> 248-613-4086
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jul 1, 2019, at 9:22 PM, Ken Winterling <wa2lbi at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Fred,
>>
>> Does this condition also happen on SSB, RTTY, CW or only while running digital mode?
>>
>> Is it possible the PTT/key line is being dropped?  When the power drops is there an asterisk (*) on the left side of the KPA500 display?  An asterisk will appear on the left side of the LCD display if there is a valid PA KEY/PTT signal is being received from the transceiver. If there is no asterisk the amp isn't receiving a valid PA KEY/PTT signal from the transceiver.  If there is an underscore instead of an asterisk it means that the amplifier keying is being inhibited by a low signal on pin 11 of the AUX connector.
>>
>> Ken
>> WA2LBI
>>   
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Mon, Jul 1, 2019 at 9:06 PM Fred <thegoeckel at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I have a K3, P3, KPA500, KAT500 and a SignaLink for sound.  Sometimes when
>>> I transmit on FT8 running full power on the KPA500, the KPA500 will click
>>> on/off.  The power doesn't turn on/off, it seems like a relay inside.  The
>>> power meter will go to about 500 watts, then down to 0, then to abut 500
>>> watts...and down to 0 maybe once a second.  I have a short video I can send
>>> if someone would like to see it.  When I bypass the KPA500 and use 50 watts
>>> or so just on the K3, no issues.
>>>
>>> Please let me know if you have any questions.
>>>
>>> 73, Fred
>>>
>>> KD8ZYD
>>> -- 
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Fred
>>>
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From kl7uw at acsalaska.net  Fri Jul  5 12:02:01 2019
From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole)
Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2019 08:02:01 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] (no subject)
Message-ID: <201907051602.x65G22TI022615@mail46c28.carrierzone.com>

Kjeld,

I agree with Conrad PA5Y,  both Kuhne Engineering or  HA1YA make very 
good transverters and are available in EU.

I would add the DEMI L-series transverter which now is made by a 
company called Q5 (located in US) for any NA hams reading the mail on 
this topic.
I use DEMI transverters on digital-eme on 144, 1296, and higher (have 
had 144,222, 432, 1296, 3456, and 10-GHz models).

I also use preamps located at antennas on 6m, 2m, 432, 1296+  Even 
though local electronic noise can be high at times, when its not they 
make a huge difference.  Only for 6m (50-MHz) would I agree that it 
might not give much help (but if you have a K3, it needs either a PR6 
or other preamp to bring up 6m &10m sensitivity; not an issue with 
K3s or K4).  MY KX3 with internal preamp ON = my K3 + PR6 in sensitivity on 6m)

The early reports on the IC-9700 were not favorable for freq 
stability (though I read they had addressed this, lately).  Still 
investment in K3s + good transverter will beat the IC-9700 without a doubt.

73, Ed - KL7UW

From: Kjeld Holm <kh at kh-translation.dk>
To: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: [Elecraft] Digital modes on 144MHz only
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Digital modes on 144MHz only

I plan for a second station to use for digital modes on 144MHz only. 
If you look at performance only (no price, no ergonomics, no use 
outside digital modes on 144MHz) what would you prefer

1)   K3/K3S with internal transverter
2)   IC-9700

In both cases I plan to use a 1kW amplifier.

Vy 73 de OZ1CCM, Kjeld


73, Ed - KL7UW
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From mike.harris at horizon.co.fk  Fri Jul  5 12:17:23 2019
From: mike.harris at horizon.co.fk (Mike Harris)
Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2019 13:17:23 -0300
Subject: [Elecraft] Digital modes on 144MHz only
In-Reply-To: <61284186-3e6f-6ea5-2d04-c3878dc758e3@triconet.org>
References: <c604d8b8-153c-815b-5a6b-0524dbfc7fc5@t-online.de>
	<61284186-3e6f-6ea5-2d04-c3878dc758e3@triconet.org>
Message-ID: <9debf2f3-d19f-3cd6-334c-7bef748ab2ea@horizon.co.fk>

Our first commercial 11 metre dish earth station built in 1984 had a 
4GHz 60dB gain, 33 Kelvin, electrically cooled two stage parametric LNA 
at the feed horn. the cable to the receive system was LDF4-50 with 20dB 
loss to a six port passive splitter.

The LNAs despite being pressurised constantly with dry air with a small 
bleed hole had to be purged of frost every six months by turning the 
cooling into heating and increasing the outflow of air. After 12 hours 
of cool down they had to be retuned, pump frequency and power to achieve 
60dB flat gain over 500MHz bandwidth. Times have changed.

Regards,

Mike VP8NO

On 05/07/2019 10:08, Wes wrote:
> That isn't quite right either.? The preamp gain must be much higher than 
> the following losses to minimize second stage degradation. (Line loss 
> degrades the NF of the second stage)
> 
> Wes? N7WS
> 
> On 7/5/2019 5:35 AM, Martin wrote:
>>
>> That's not quite right. The overall system noise is determined by the 
>> preamp noise figure when mounted as close? to the antenna as possible. 
>> Cable losses (=noise) after the preamp can be neglected, as long as 
>> the gain of the preamp is higher than the losses in subsequent 
>> components. So the cable AFTER the preamp can be pretty lossy. OTOH, 
>> too much gain from the preamp easily overdrives your transceiver's RX. 
>> A good balance between gain vs. cable losses is mandatory. The noise 
>> figure of the pramp is crucial.
>> If you are satisfied with your transverter's noise figure , mount it 
>> close to the antenna via a short run low loss cable, if you can. This 
>> saves the expenses for a preamp.
>>
>> This applies to the RX path. I'm not talking cable quality or output 
>> power for TX.

From nr4c at widomaker.com  Fri Jul  5 12:47:33 2019
From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c)
Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2019 12:47:33 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: K4/K4D antenna ports.
References: <83B767DF-075E-43CC-AC1B-05701B6D3BDB@widomaker.com>
Message-ID: <B47BB96A-7D58-413D-A5CB-505AB4A287E4@widomaker.com>



> From: Nr4c <nr4c at widomaker.com>
> Date: July 4, 2019 at 11:03:45 PM EDT
> To: n6kr at elecraft.com
> Subject: K4/K4D antenna ports. 
> 
> Wayne. 
> 
> How many ports does a K4D have without the ATU. 
> 
> I know the K4 only has one I think the ATU ads 2 more for total of three. 
> 
> But K4D must have two ports for separate antennas for Diversity, right?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> ...nr4c. bill
> 

From n6kr at elecraft.com  Fri Jul  5 12:59:32 2019
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2019 09:59:32 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: K4/K4D antenna ports.
In-Reply-To: <B47BB96A-7D58-413D-A5CB-505AB4A287E4@widomaker.com>
References: <83B767DF-075E-43CC-AC1B-05701B6D3BDB@widomaker.com>
	<B47BB96A-7D58-413D-A5CB-505AB4A287E4@widomaker.com>
Message-ID: <16F3702E-12AA-4741-A8EA-06C7514BF539@elecraft.com>

Nr4c <nr4c at widomaker.com> wrote:


>> How many ports does a K4D have without the ATU. 

1 main antenna jack and 2 receive antenna inputs.


>> 
>> I know the K4 only has one I think the ATU ads 2 more for total of three. 

Yes. Also, any one of the ATU antenna jacks can be designated as a third receive antenna input (for either receiver).


>> But K4D must have two ports for separate antennas for Diversity, right?

Yes, RX ANT1 and RX ANT2. The latter is also labeled XVTR IN, and can be used with transverters.

73,
Wayne
N6KR


From marklgoldberg at gmail.com  Fri Jul  5 13:18:48 2019
From: marklgoldberg at gmail.com (Mark Goldberg)
Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2019 10:18:48 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] OT a bit: K3 Ant Tuner
In-Reply-To: <1f610199-6a2f-d87e-403a-e76145b92107@embarqmail.com>
References: <21cd377a-9d58-e242-b817-3a73cbe0d8f8@comcast.net>
	<1f610199-6a2f-d87e-403a-e76145b92107@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKn+a3tj1iTCqsr6DykjbXj9R3Ud-dQ6zCmNuD=w-skT6nW2UA@mail.gmail.com>

I could not let this go. I've done a lot of work with bandpass filters. The
mismatch will degrade the filter.

For an example, I used Elsie, which is a filter calculator. Using the
example 20 Meter bandpass filter, the passband loss is about .25 dB with
matched 50 ohms in and out. Changing the output impedance to 38+j12 (38
ohms plus 135 nH inductor at 14.15 MHz, about 1.5:1 SWR), the passband
losses increase to about 0.4 - .44 dB and vary more over the band.

Here are the schematics and plots, anyone is welcome to check my
calculations, as I do make mistakes!

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1kj31IL_px6nVyRadW4nOi_c6FLgyaRyk/view?usp=sharing

The loss in the filter will almost double. For 100W in, the loss goes from
about 6W to about 10W. So, it is not a good idea. A worse match will result
in even more losses, perhaps overheating and destroying the filter.

73,

Mark
W7MLG

On Fri, Jul 5, 2019 at 8:32 AM Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com> wrote:

> Rich,
>
> Yes and no.  With 2 antenna tuners in-line, there will be a bit more
> loss due to inductor winding resistance, but other than that, it should
> do harm.
>
> Several bandpass filters indicate that they should be between the rig
> and the tuner (so the bandpass filters are not run at a high SWR).
> If the power rating of the bandpass filter is marginal with respect to
> the rig power, then I would observe that caution. Refer to the bandpass
> filter specs.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 7/5/2019 10:57 AM, Rich wrote:
> > To minimize emails direct replies would be nice.  I searched the web and
> > could not find an answer.   I know there are a ton of smart folks on
> > this list so I thought I would ask.
> >
> > On Field Day at typical setup is :
> >
> > K3 (or any radio) - bandpass filter -  External Antenna Tuner  - Antenna
> >
> > So the antenna was tuned via the external tuner, but saw a guy then
> > using the K3 ant tuner to touch up the SWR between the radio and the
> > bandpass filter.  Is that an acceptable practice?
> >
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From xdavid at cis-broadband.com  Fri Jul  5 13:37:45 2019
From: xdavid at cis-broadband.com (David Gilbert)
Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2019 10:37:45 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] OT a bit: K3 Ant Tuner
In-Reply-To: <1f610199-6a2f-d87e-403a-e76145b92107@embarqmail.com>
References: <21cd377a-9d58-e242-b817-3a73cbe0d8f8@comcast.net>
	<1f610199-6a2f-d87e-403a-e76145b92107@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <2459cfb8-84ee-77d3-688a-a9cadcaf1d0c@cis-broadband.com>


It's not just a power issue.? A filter only achieves its design goals if 
the impedance feeding it and the load impedance it sees are as 
expected.? Most filters are going to want to be fed by 50 ohms and see a 
load of 50 ohms.? Most rigs (not sure about the K3) don't actually 
present a pure 50 ohm output impedance, so using the internal tuner in 
the K3 supposedly would assure that the filter sees the correct feed 
impedance, and for an operation like Field Day having a properly 
performing filter might be more important than a bit of power loss in 
the K3 tuner inductor.

On the other hand, I'm not sure that the SWR meter in the K3 is a 
perfect indicator of a match to a 50 ohm load.? I recently did some SWR 
measurements on a new antenna setup for five different bands (three 
different antennas) using four different indicators ... the SWR meter in 
the K3, an AEA HF-CIA, an Elecraft W2, and a new FA-VA5.? All four 
instruments were located in the same spot on the transmission line for 
each band (I swapped them in and out), and I plotted the SWR curves for 
frequencies across each band band.? The readings with the most deviation 
from the others came from the K3, and for certain cable lengths (I did 
readings with and without an additional 7 foot length of feedline 
inserted) it was significant.

73,
Dave? AB7E



On 7/5/2019 8:32 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
> Rich,
>
> Yes and no.? With 2 antenna tuners in-line, there will be a bit more 
> loss due to inductor winding resistance, but other than that, it 
> should do harm.
>
> Several bandpass filters indicate that they should be between the rig 
> and the tuner (so the bandpass filters are not run at a high SWR).
> If the power rating of the bandpass filter is marginal with respect to 
> the rig power, then I would observe that caution. Refer to the 
> bandpass filter specs.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 7/5/2019 10:57 AM, Rich wrote:
>> To minimize emails direct replies would be nice.? I searched the web 
>> and could not find an answer.?? I know there are a ton of smart folks 
>> on this list so I thought I would ask.
>>
>> On Field Day at typical setup is :
>>
>> K3 (or any radio) - bandpass filter -? External Antenna Tuner? - Antenna
>>
>> So the antenna was tuned via the external tuner, but saw a guy then 
>> using the K3 ant tuner to touch up the SWR between the radio and the 
>> bandpass filter.? Is that an acceptable practice?
>>
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From wes_n7ws at triconet.org  Fri Jul  5 13:45:14 2019
From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes)
Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2019 10:45:14 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] OT a bit: K3 Ant Tuner
In-Reply-To: <CAKn+a3tj1iTCqsr6DykjbXj9R3Ud-dQ6zCmNuD=w-skT6nW2UA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <21cd377a-9d58-e242-b817-3a73cbe0d8f8@comcast.net>
	<1f610199-6a2f-d87e-403a-e76145b92107@embarqmail.com>
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Message-ID: <1057c3d0-e75e-7d62-d867-cab50e3a220c@triconet.org>

You're offering a scenario different from the original.? As I read it, 
originally a tuner was used to flatten the load that terminates the BPF output.? 
Your analysis assumes a matched driver and a mismatch on the output of the BPF.

Then the OP mentioned a second tuner between the TX output and the input of the 
BPF, which can be assumed to match the BPF input.? The BPF is now matched at 
both ends.

To answer the OP's question, the answer is, IMHO of course, yes.

Wes? N7WS

On 7/5/2019 10:18 AM, Mark Goldberg wrote:
> I could not let this go. I've done a lot of work with bandpass filters. The
> mismatch will degrade the filter.
>
> For an example, I used Elsie, which is a filter calculator. Using the
> example 20 Meter bandpass filter, the passband loss is about .25 dB with
> matched 50 ohms in and out. Changing the output impedance to 38+j12 (38
> ohms plus 135 nH inductor at 14.15 MHz, about 1.5:1 SWR), the passband
> losses increase to about 0.4 - .44 dB and vary more over the band.
>
> Here are the schematics and plots, anyone is welcome to check my
> calculations, as I do make mistakes!
>
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1kj31IL_px6nVyRadW4nOi_c6FLgyaRyk/view?usp=sharing
>
> The loss in the filter will almost double. For 100W in, the loss goes from
> about 6W to about 10W. So, it is not a good idea. A worse match will result
> in even more losses, perhaps overheating and destroying the filter.
>
> 73,
>
> Mark
> W7MLG
>
> On Fri, Jul 5, 2019 at 8:32 AM Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Rich,
>>
>> Yes and no.  With 2 antenna tuners in-line, there will be a bit more
>> loss due to inductor winding resistance, but other than that, it should
>> do harm.
>>
>> Several bandpass filters indicate that they should be between the rig
>> and the tuner (so the bandpass filters are not run at a high SWR).
>> If the power rating of the bandpass filter is marginal with respect to
>> the rig power, then I would observe that caution. Refer to the bandpass
>> filter specs.
>>
>> 73,
>> Don W3FPR
>>
>> On 7/5/2019 10:57 AM, Rich wrote:
>>> To minimize emails direct replies would be nice.  I searched the web and
>>> could not find an answer.   I know there are a ton of smart folks on
>>> this list so I thought I would ask.
>>>
>>> On Field Day at typical setup is :
>>>
>>> K3 (or any radio) - bandpass filter -  External Antenna Tuner  - Antenna
>>>
>>> So the antenna was tuned via the external tuner, but saw a guy then
>>> using the K3 ant tuner to touch up the SWR between the radio and the
>>> bandpass filter.  Is that an acceptable practice?


From jackbrindle at me.com  Fri Jul  5 13:55:12 2019
From: jackbrindle at me.com (Jack Brindle)
Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2019 10:55:12 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] OT a bit: K3 Ant Tuner
In-Reply-To: <CAKn+a3tj1iTCqsr6DykjbXj9R3Ud-dQ6zCmNuD=w-skT6nW2UA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <21cd377a-9d58-e242-b817-3a73cbe0d8f8@comcast.net>
	<1f610199-6a2f-d87e-403a-e76145b92107@embarqmail.com>
	<CAKn+a3tj1iTCqsr6DykjbXj9R3Ud-dQ6zCmNuD=w-skT6nW2UA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <05D7AA50-B37C-4399-A747-FFF7446836CB@me.com>

Lets step back a bit and look at the system here. The K3, with ATU, drives into the BPF, when then drives into the external ATU and finally the antenna.
The external ATU takes care of the antenna matching, and should present a 50 ohm load to the BPF. The BPF, because of its design, should present a 50 ohm load to the ATU as well, so everything is matched there.
Before anyone jumps on this, remember the signals go both ways, outbound for transmit, inbound for receive. Also, we have a fundamental principal thrown at every EE student, that for best transmission of signal, the source and load impedances should match.

OK, so let?s look at the K3 side. The K3 antenna port connects directly to the BPF?s radio port. Again, we are presuming the BPF is designed for 50 ohms resistive source/load. The K3 is designed to transmit into a 50 ohm load, but it may not itself be a 50 ohm source. And, the receiver input may not be 50 ohms as well. Adding a tuned ATU does bring this to 50 ohms, providing a proper match into the BPF, so that optimum signal flows both ways. So it could actually be beneficial for the ATU to be in-line and properly tuned. The best way to perform the tune would be to tune the ATU into a 50 ohm dummy load, but tuning into the BPF at low power should work also. The exception to this would be if the BPF changes impedance when power is applied, but then if this happens the best place for that BPF is the trash can.

Now having said this, the ATU can also be bypassed in the K3, and that circuit may provide a proper 50 ohm source/load for the BPF. I would probably take this approach myself (and in fact do so in my station). The reason I take this approach is to avoid the small loss that the internal ATU presents. In contesting, every db matters.

Note that we are talking nits at this point. Unless the ATU was tuned for a load quite a bit off 50 ohms resistive, (quite possible), then retuning won?t make much difference. Perhaps the op had this situation, and thought it better to return the ATU than to bypass it, or he didn?t even think to bypass it. The point is, both methods will work, and I doubt he did anything wrong it performing the tune.

73!
Jack, W6FB


> On Jul 5, 2019, at 10:18 AM, Mark Goldberg <marklgoldberg at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I could not let this go. I've done a lot of work with bandpass filters. The
> mismatch will degrade the filter.
> 
> For an example, I used Elsie, which is a filter calculator. Using the
> example 20 Meter bandpass filter, the passband loss is about .25 dB with
> matched 50 ohms in and out. Changing the output impedance to 38+j12 (38
> ohms plus 135 nH inductor at 14.15 MHz, about 1.5:1 SWR), the passband
> losses increase to about 0.4 - .44 dB and vary more over the band.
> 
> Here are the schematics and plots, anyone is welcome to check my
> calculations, as I do make mistakes!
> 
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1kj31IL_px6nVyRadW4nOi_c6FLgyaRyk/view?usp=sharing
> 
> The loss in the filter will almost double. For 100W in, the loss goes from
> about 6W to about 10W. So, it is not a good idea. A worse match will result
> in even more losses, perhaps overheating and destroying the filter.
> 
> 73,
> 
> Mark
> W7MLG
> 
> On Fri, Jul 5, 2019 at 8:32 AM Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Rich,
>> 
>> Yes and no.  With 2 antenna tuners in-line, there will be a bit more
>> loss due to inductor winding resistance, but other than that, it should
>> do harm.
>> 
>> Several bandpass filters indicate that they should be between the rig
>> and the tuner (so the bandpass filters are not run at a high SWR).
>> If the power rating of the bandpass filter is marginal with respect to
>> the rig power, then I would observe that caution. Refer to the bandpass
>> filter specs.
>> 
>> 73,
>> Don W3FPR
>> 
>> On 7/5/2019 10:57 AM, Rich wrote:
>>> To minimize emails direct replies would be nice.  I searched the web and
>>> could not find an answer.   I know there are a ton of smart folks on
>>> this list so I thought I would ask.
>>> 
>>> On Field Day at typical setup is :
>>> 
>>> K3 (or any radio) - bandpass filter -  External Antenna Tuner  - Antenna
>>> 
>>> So the antenna was tuned via the external tuner, but saw a guy then
>>> using the K3 ant tuner to touch up the SWR between the radio and the
>>> bandpass filter.  Is that an acceptable practice?
>>> 
>> ______________________________________________________________
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From xdavid at cis-broadband.com  Fri Jul  5 13:56:19 2019
From: xdavid at cis-broadband.com (David Gilbert)
Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2019 10:56:19 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] OT a bit: K3 Ant Tuner
In-Reply-To: <CAKn+a3tj1iTCqsr6DykjbXj9R3Ud-dQ6zCmNuD=w-skT6nW2UA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <21cd377a-9d58-e242-b817-3a73cbe0d8f8@comcast.net>
	<1f610199-6a2f-d87e-403a-e76145b92107@embarqmail.com>
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I think you misread the situation.? The question isn't whether to put a 
single antenna tuner between the antenna and filter versus putting it 
between the rig and the filter.? The question is whether putting an 
ADDITIONAL tuner (the one internal to the K3) at the input of the filter 
is a good idea.? And to me it seems the answer is yes.

I think we all agree that the right feed impedance and load impedance 
for a filter is important.? And as I pointed out, not just for power 
handling, but also for the filter to actually filter as it was intended.

73,
Dave?? AB7E

On 7/5/2019 10:18 AM, Mark Goldberg wrote:
> I could not let this go. I've done a lot of work with bandpass filters. The
> mismatch will degrade the filter.
>
> For an example, I used Elsie, which is a filter calculator. Using the
> example 20 Meter bandpass filter, the passband loss is about .25 dB with
> matched 50 ohms in and out. Changing the output impedance to 38+j12 (38
> ohms plus 135 nH inductor at 14.15 MHz, about 1.5:1 SWR), the passband
> losses increase to about 0.4 - .44 dB and vary more over the band.
>
> Here are the schematics and plots, anyone is welcome to check my
> calculations, as I do make mistakes!
>
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1kj31IL_px6nVyRadW4nOi_c6FLgyaRyk/view?usp=sharing
>
> The loss in the filter will almost double. For 100W in, the loss goes from
> about 6W to about 10W. So, it is not a good idea. A worse match will result
> in even more losses, perhaps overheating and destroying the filter.
>
> 73,
>
> Mark
> W7MLG
>
> On Fri, Jul 5, 2019 at 8:32 AM Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Rich,
>>
>> Yes and no.  With 2 antenna tuners in-line, there will be a bit more
>> loss due to inductor winding resistance, but other than that, it should
>> do harm.
>>
>> Several bandpass filters indicate that they should be between the rig
>> and the tuner (so the bandpass filters are not run at a high SWR).
>> If the power rating of the bandpass filter is marginal with respect to
>> the rig power, then I would observe that caution. Refer to the bandpass
>> filter specs.
>>
>> 73,
>> Don W3FPR
>>
>> On 7/5/2019 10:57 AM, Rich wrote:
>>> To minimize emails direct replies would be nice.  I searched the web and
>>> could not find an answer.   I know there are a ton of smart folks on
>>> this list so I thought I would ask.
>>>
>>> On Field Day at typical setup is :
>>>
>>> K3 (or any radio) - bandpass filter -  External Antenna Tuner  - Antenna
>>>
>>> So the antenna was tuned via the external tuner, but saw a guy then
>>> using the K3 ant tuner to touch up the SWR between the radio and the
>>> bandpass filter.  Is that an acceptable practice?
>>>
>> ______________________________________________________________
>> Elecraft mailing list
>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
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From wes_n7ws at triconet.org  Fri Jul  5 14:14:35 2019
From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes)
Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2019 11:14:35 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] OT a bit: K3 Ant Tuner
In-Reply-To: <2459cfb8-84ee-77d3-688a-a9cadcaf1d0c@cis-broadband.com>
References: <21cd377a-9d58-e242-b817-3a73cbe0d8f8@comcast.net>
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Good points, some of which I considered making in my last post.? Regarding the 
SWR measurement capabilities of the K3 (or many other devices) I wrote about 
this too in another thread:

http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-SWR-Numerical-Indication-td7643839.html

Wes? N7WS


On 7/5/2019 10:37 AM, David Gilbert wrote:
>
> It's not just a power issue.? A filter only achieves its design goals if the 
> impedance feeding it and the load impedance it sees are as expected.? Most 
> filters are going to want to be fed by 50 ohms and see a load of 50 ohms.? 
> Most rigs (not sure about the K3) don't actually present a pure 50 ohm output 
> impedance, so using the internal tuner in the K3 supposedly would assure that 
> the filter sees the correct feed impedance, and for an operation like Field 
> Day having a properly performing filter might be more important than a bit of 
> power loss in the K3 tuner inductor.
>
> On the other hand, I'm not sure that the SWR meter in the K3 is a perfect 
> indicator of a match to a 50 ohm load.? I recently did some SWR measurements 
> on a new antenna setup for five different bands (three different antennas) 
> using four different indicators ... the SWR meter in the K3, an AEA HF-CIA, an 
> Elecraft W2, and a new FA-VA5.? All four instruments were located in the same 
> spot on the transmission line for each band (I swapped them in and out), and I 
> plotted the SWR curves for frequencies across each band band.? The readings 
> with the most deviation from the others came from the K3, and for certain 
> cable lengths (I did readings with and without an additional 7 foot length of 
> feedline inserted) it was significant.
>
> 73,
> Dave? AB7E
>


From marklgoldberg at gmail.com  Fri Jul  5 14:20:43 2019
From: marklgoldberg at gmail.com (Mark Goldberg)
Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2019 11:20:43 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] OT a bit: K3 Ant Tuner
In-Reply-To: <ec933427-1936-2ba2-4d8a-ceec6da010b9@cis-broadband.com>
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I stand corrected.

I made an assumption, probably incorrectly, that the reason they had a
second tuner was that the first did not successfully tune the antenna. They
just decided to put the bandpass filter between the two tuners, which would
have provided a mismatch at both the filter input and output. I just used a
mismatch at the output as an example. I just provided an example of filter
performance degradation with even what would be considered a reasonable SWR.

I prefer Jack's solution of bypassing the internal K3 tuner. I do have a
situation where my antenna tuner can't tune my antenna on 160. Rather than
try to use two tuners in series with the requisite losses, I added a shunt
inductor on a big ferrite core to provide most of the required inductance
for a match. It gets hot.

73,

Mark
W7MLG


On Fri, Jul 5, 2019 at 10:57 AM David Gilbert <xdavid at cis-broadband.com>
wrote:

>
> I think you misread the situation.  The question isn't whether to put a
> single antenna tuner between the antenna and filter versus putting it
> between the rig and the filter.  The question is whether putting an
> ADDITIONAL tuner (the one internal to the K3) at the input of the filter
> is a good idea.  And to me it seems the answer is yes.
>
> I think we all agree that the right feed impedance and load impedance
> for a filter is important.  And as I pointed out, not just for power
> handling, but also for the filter to actually filter as it was intended.
>
> 73,
> Dave   AB7E
>
> On 7/5/2019 10:18 AM, Mark Goldberg wrote:
> > I could not let this go. I've done a lot of work with bandpass filters.
> The
> > mismatch will degrade the filter.
> >
> > For an example, I used Elsie, which is a filter calculator. Using the
> > example 20 Meter bandpass filter, the passband loss is about .25 dB with
> > matched 50 ohms in and out. Changing the output impedance to 38+j12 (38
> > ohms plus 135 nH inductor at 14.15 MHz, about 1.5:1 SWR), the passband
> > losses increase to about 0.4 - .44 dB and vary more over the band.
> >
> > Here are the schematics and plots, anyone is welcome to check my
> > calculations, as I do make mistakes!
> >
> >
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1kj31IL_px6nVyRadW4nOi_c6FLgyaRyk/view?usp=sharing
> >
> > The loss in the filter will almost double. For 100W in, the loss goes
> from
> > about 6W to about 10W. So, it is not a good idea. A worse match will
> result
> > in even more losses, perhaps overheating and destroying the filter.
> >
> > 73,
> >
> > Mark
> > W7MLG
> >
> > On Fri, Jul 5, 2019 at 8:32 AM Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> Rich,
> >>
> >> Yes and no.  With 2 antenna tuners in-line, there will be a bit more
> >> loss due to inductor winding resistance, but other than that, it should
> >> do harm.
> >>
> >> Several bandpass filters indicate that they should be between the rig
> >> and the tuner (so the bandpass filters are not run at a high SWR).
> >> If the power rating of the bandpass filter is marginal with respect to
> >> the rig power, then I would observe that caution. Refer to the bandpass
> >> filter specs.
> >>
> >> 73,
> >> Don W3FPR
> >>
> >> On 7/5/2019 10:57 AM, Rich wrote:
> >>> To minimize emails direct replies would be nice.  I searched the web
> and
> >>> could not find an answer.   I know there are a ton of smart folks on
> >>> this list so I thought I would ask.
> >>>
> >>> On Field Day at typical setup is :
> >>>
> >>> K3 (or any radio) - bandpass filter -  External Antenna Tuner  -
> Antenna
> >>>
> >>> So the antenna was tuned via the external tuner, but saw a guy then
> >>> using the K3 ant tuner to touch up the SWR between the radio and the
> >>> bandpass filter.  Is that an acceptable practice?
> >>>
> >> ______________________________________________________________
> >> Elecraft mailing list
> >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
> >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
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From rich at wc3t.us  Fri Jul  5 14:32:36 2019
From: rich at wc3t.us (rich hurd WC3T)
Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2019 14:32:36 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] AX1 shipping status
Message-ID: <CABYU7WjHh9QjXSJqQKMZaK7hB_V4JvDDb7iViCLdZ-MZLPR3mA@mail.gmail.com>

Now it's my turn to mope.   I ordered my AX1 without noticing that it won't
ship until sometime after the 20th.     Shame on me for not checking the
web site first.

-- 
72,
Rich Hurd / WC3T / DMR: 3142737
Northampton County RACES, EPA-ARRL Public Information Officer for Scouting
Latitude: 40.761621 Longitude: -75.288988  (40?45.68' N 75?17.33' W) Grid:
*FN20is*

From kh at kh-translation.dk  Fri Jul  5 14:34:05 2019
From: kh at kh-translation.dk (Kjeld Holm)
Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2019 18:34:05 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Follow up on "Digital modes on 144MHz only"
Message-ID: <AM0PR03MB5538E8CD2EB90E5293F49ED99DF50@AM0PR03MB5538.eurprd03.prod.outlook.com>

Thanks to all who replied to my mail (see below) but allow me to ask: 

Anyone using Elecraft XV144 or K144XV or HG 144-K for digital modes? 

Any comments on these being better or worse than other brands?

Vy 73 de OZ1CCM, Kjeld  

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: 4. juli 2019 20:31
To: Elecraft Reflector
Subject: [Elecraft] Digital modes on 144MHz only

Digital modes on 144MHz only

I plan for a second station to use for digital modes on 144MHz only. If you look at performance only (no price, no ergonomics, no use outside digital modes on 144MHz) what would you prefer

1)   K3/K3S with internal transverter
2)   IC-9700

In both cases I plan to use a 1kW amplifier. 

Vy 73 de OZ1CCM, Kjeld
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From k9ma at sdellington.us  Fri Jul  5 14:37:34 2019
From: k9ma at sdellington.us (K9MA)
Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2019 13:37:34 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] OT a bit: K3 Ant Tuner
In-Reply-To: <05D7AA50-B37C-4399-A747-FFF7446836CB@me.com>
References: <21cd377a-9d58-e242-b817-3a73cbe0d8f8@comcast.net>
	<1f610199-6a2f-d87e-403a-e76145b92107@embarqmail.com>
	<CAKn+a3tj1iTCqsr6DykjbXj9R3Ud-dQ6zCmNuD=w-skT6nW2UA@mail.gmail.com>
	<05D7AA50-B37C-4399-A747-FFF7446836CB@me.com>
Message-ID: <2e807522-1a7d-815e-3878-e21372699cc2@sdellington.us>

On 7/5/2019 12:55, Jack Brindle via Elecraft wrote:
> OK, so let?s look at the K3 side. The K3 antenna port connects directly to the BPF?s radio port. Again, we are presuming the BPF is designed for 50 ohms resistive source/load. The K3 is designed to transmit into a 50 ohm load, but it may not itself be a 50 ohm source. And, the receiver input may not be 50 ohms as well. Adding a tuned ATU does bring this to 50 ohms, providing a proper match into the BPF, so that optimum signal flows both ways.

Bandpass filters are generally designed for 50 Ohm source and load 
resistances, mainly because the actual source and load impedances are 
usually unknown. These filters will only perform as advertised with a 50 
Ohm source and load. With real world impedances, you just have to hope 
for the best. It's easy enough to use a tuner or other matching network 
to get the load impedance close to 50 Ohms in the passband, but even 
then, the impedance outside the passband may be far different, so filter 
performance will not match the ideal case. It might be better, or it 
might be worse. Unless you know the actual impedances, you can't predict it.

The source impedance is another matter. The output impedance of a 
transmitter is almost certainly NOT 50 Ohms. It's probably much lower. 
After all, an ideal voltage source has an output impedance of zero, and 
is 100 percent efficient. The ATU matches the LOAD to 50 Ohms, so the 
transmitter sees a 50 Ohm load, but does NOT necessarily match the 
output impedance to 50 Ohms. This is another reason real world filter 
performance almost certainly differs from the ideal. Again, unless you 
know the source and load impedances over the whole range of frequencies 
of interest, you can't predict the filter performance. While it's 
unlikely to happen by accident, it's possible to find a source impedance 
for any reflective filter which will result in zero (or very little) 
attenuation at any frequency. It's called a conjugate match.

In reality, though, we seem to get pretty good results with these 50 Ohm 
filters. You can actually measure the parameters that are really 
important, like harmonic attenuation, and see whether it is good 
enough.? Even then, though, there's uncertainty, as that measurement is 
usually made with a dummy load. What if the impedance of your antenna at 
a harmonic isn't 50 Ohms?

73,

Scott K9MA

-- 
Scott  K9MA

k9ma at sdellington.us


From k9ma at sdellington.us  Fri Jul  5 14:40:25 2019
From: k9ma at sdellington.us (K9MA)
Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2019 13:40:25 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] OT a bit: K3 Ant Tuner
In-Reply-To: <CAKn+a3vsAWjc66nCaSkAVMkq3QxsbW4TVxbKPAnKt3mwn4oVeA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <21cd377a-9d58-e242-b817-3a73cbe0d8f8@comcast.net>
	<1f610199-6a2f-d87e-403a-e76145b92107@embarqmail.com>
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Message-ID: <13abc495-3a5e-77d3-2a9d-a2ea8265e39b@sdellington.us>

One reason to use the internal ATU with an external tuner is so the 
transmitter can see a low SWR over a range of frequencies, without 
retuning the external filter. Also, if the external tuner can only get 
down to, say 2:1, the internal ATU will get it down to 1:1, and the 
transmitter will be happier.

73,
Scott K9MA



On 7/5/2019 13:20, Mark Goldberg wrote:
> I stand corrected.
>
> I made an assumption, probably incorrectly, that the reason they had a
> second tuner was that the first did not successfully tune the antenna. They
> just decided to put the bandpass filter between the two tuners, which would
> have provided a mismatch at both the filter input and output. I just used a
> mismatch at the output as an example. I just provided an example of filter
> performance degradation with even what would be considered a reasonable SWR.
>
> I prefer Jack's solution of bypassing the internal K3 tuner. I do have a
> situation where my antenna tuner can't tune my antenna on 160. Rather than
> try to use two tuners in series with the requisite losses, I added a shunt
> inductor on a big ferrite core to provide most of the required inductance
> for a match. It gets hot.
>
> 73,
>
> Mark
> W7MLG
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 5, 2019 at 10:57 AM David Gilbert <xdavid at cis-broadband.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I think you misread the situation.  The question isn't whether to put a
>> single antenna tuner between the antenna and filter versus putting it
>> between the rig and the filter.  The question is whether putting an
>> ADDITIONAL tuner (the one internal to the K3) at the input of the filter
>> is a good idea.  And to me it seems the answer is yes.
>>
>> I think we all agree that the right feed impedance and load impedance
>> for a filter is important.  And as I pointed out, not just for power
>> handling, but also for the filter to actually filter as it was intended.
>>
>> 73,
>> Dave   AB7E
>>
>> On 7/5/2019 10:18 AM, Mark Goldberg wrote:
>>> I could not let this go. I've done a lot of work with bandpass filters.
>> The
>>> mismatch will degrade the filter.
>>>
>>> For an example, I used Elsie, which is a filter calculator. Using the
>>> example 20 Meter bandpass filter, the passband loss is about .25 dB with
>>> matched 50 ohms in and out. Changing the output impedance to 38+j12 (38
>>> ohms plus 135 nH inductor at 14.15 MHz, about 1.5:1 SWR), the passband
>>> losses increase to about 0.4 - .44 dB and vary more over the band.
>>>
>>> Here are the schematics and plots, anyone is welcome to check my
>>> calculations, as I do make mistakes!
>>>
>>>
>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1kj31IL_px6nVyRadW4nOi_c6FLgyaRyk/view?usp=sharing
>>> The loss in the filter will almost double. For 100W in, the loss goes
>> from
>>> about 6W to about 10W. So, it is not a good idea. A worse match will
>> result
>>> in even more losses, perhaps overheating and destroying the filter.
>>>
>>> 73,
>>>
>>> Mark
>>> W7MLG
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jul 5, 2019 at 8:32 AM Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>> Rich,
>>>>
>>>> Yes and no.  With 2 antenna tuners in-line, there will be a bit more
>>>> loss due to inductor winding resistance, but other than that, it should
>>>> do harm.
>>>>
>>>> Several bandpass filters indicate that they should be between the rig
>>>> and the tuner (so the bandpass filters are not run at a high SWR).
>>>> If the power rating of the bandpass filter is marginal with respect to
>>>> the rig power, then I would observe that caution. Refer to the bandpass
>>>> filter specs.
>>>>
>>>> 73,
>>>> Don W3FPR
>>>>
>>>> On 7/5/2019 10:57 AM, Rich wrote:
>>>>> To minimize emails direct replies would be nice.  I searched the web
>> and
>>>>> could not find an answer.   I know there are a ton of smart folks on
>>>>> this list so I thought I would ask.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Field Day at typical setup is :
>>>>>
>>>>> K3 (or any radio) - bandpass filter -  External Antenna Tuner  -
>> Antenna
>>>>> So the antenna was tuned via the external tuner, but saw a guy then
>>>>> using the K3 ant tuner to touch up the SWR between the radio and the
>>>>> bandpass filter.  Is that an acceptable practice?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>

-- 
Scott  K9MA

k9ma at sdellington.us


From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Fri Jul  5 15:05:06 2019
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2019 14:05:06 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] OT a bit: K3 Ant Tuner
In-Reply-To: <21cd377a-9d58-e242-b817-3a73cbe0d8f8@comcast.net>
References: <21cd377a-9d58-e242-b817-3a73cbe0d8f8@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <5a65e14b-7d9a-5205-d4fd-2225a93eb141@blomand.net>

A bandpass filter is designed for optimum rejection and pass frequencies 
only when operated at 50 ohms.? Thus both ends of the filter need to see 
50 ohms.? If the antenna has a SWR issue, no matter how small, it is not 
likely 50 ohms.? And if one uses the transceiver internal ATU to the 
input of the filter, likewise the filter input doesn't see 50 ohms.

Correctly used the bandpass filter must be in the path between the PA 
output and the ATU input.? With an internal ATU, this isn't likely 
possible.

And most filters are designed for a certain power level when operated 
from a source and into a load of 50 ohms.? Should one depart from the 
correct source and load impedance, then the filter my fail due to 
excessive voltage.

If the K3 is seeing an SWR of 2:1 or less, don't bother.? If the 
operator feels good about "touching it up" that is only good for the 
operator.? The radio doesn't care one way of the other.

Use a bandpass filter correctly or don't use one.? For if you do, you'll 
likely let the smoke out of the box.

73

Bob, K4TAX


On 7/5/2019 9:57 AM, Rich wrote:
> To minimize emails direct replies would be nice.? I searched the web 
> and could not find an answer.?? I know there are a ton of smart folks 
> on this list so I thought I would ask.
> TU
> On Field Day at typical setup is :
>
> K3 (or any radio) - bandpass filter -? External Antenna Tuner? - Antenna
>
> So the antenna was tuned via the external tuner, but saw a guy then 
> using the K3 ant tuner to touch up the SWR between the radio and the 
> bandpass filter.? Is that an acceptable practice?
>
> I would think not?
>
> Rich
>
> K3RWN
>
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From g0ruz at g0ruz.com  Fri Jul  5 15:17:50 2019
From: g0ruz at g0ruz.com (Conrad PA5Y)
Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2019 19:17:50 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <201907051602.x65G22TI022615@mail46c28.carrierzone.com>
References: <201907051602.x65G22TI022615@mail46c28.carrierzone.com>
Message-ID: <AM5P189MB03871321FE47CB7399B03770B5F50@AM5P189MB0387.EURP189.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

Hello Ed, the HA1YA and DB6NT transverters are also considerably better than the DEMI designs which are 3 generations behind. I have been in serious pursuit of low PN and low IMD on 144 and 432 and I found that either of the aforementioned transverters with a K3S were many times better than anything else. I looked at almost everything out there, it took 2 years but there really was no other choice. There used to be 3 choices but sadly the Anglian (144) and Iceni (432) kits from G4DDK are no longer an option, on 70cms I have an Iceni. With the K3S , Iceni and a TV TX I am achieving TX 3rd orders of -53dBc, I am so pleased with this. The composite noise @ 20kHz is 33dBc/Hz better than any other radio that I have measured. On 2m 25dB better for composite noise I am still working on 2m intemods, so far the whole chain is -40dbc 3rd orders but I would like to improve this by at least 6dB, the problem is an LDMOS driver and nothing to do with the K3S or HA1YA transverter.

I have a bit more to say about the K3S and TX IMD on 6m in another post.

Regards

Conrad PA5Y

-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On Behalf Of Edward R Cole
Sent: 05 July 2019 18:02
To: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: [Elecraft] (no subject)

Kjeld,

I agree with Conrad PA5Y,  both Kuhne Engineering or  HA1YA make very good transverters and are available in EU.

I would add the DEMI L-series transverter which now is made by a company called Q5 (located in US) for any NA hams reading the mail on this topic.
I use DEMI transverters on digital-eme on 144, 1296, and higher (have had 144,222, 432, 1296, 3456, and 10-GHz models).

I also use preamps located at antennas on 6m, 2m, 432, 1296+  Even though local electronic noise can be high at times, when its not they make a huge difference.  Only for 6m (50-MHz) would I agree that it might not give much help (but if you have a K3, it needs either a PR6 or other preamp to bring up 6m &10m sensitivity; not an issue with K3s or K4).  MY KX3 with internal preamp ON = my K3 + PR6 in sensitivity on 6m)

The early reports on the IC-9700 were not favorable for freq stability (though I read they had addressed this, lately).  Still investment in K3s + good transverter will beat the IC-9700 without a doubt.

73, Ed - KL7UW

From: Kjeld Holm <kh at kh-translation.dk>
To: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: [Elecraft] Digital modes on 144MHz only
Message-ID:
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Digital modes on 144MHz only

I plan for a second station to use for digital modes on 144MHz only. 
If you look at performance only (no price, no ergonomics, no use outside digital modes on 144MHz) what would you prefer

1)   K3/K3S with internal transverter
2)   IC-9700

In both cases I plan to use a 1kW amplifier.

Vy 73 de OZ1CCM, Kjeld


73, Ed - KL7UW
   http://www.kl7uw.com
Dubus-NA Business mail:
   dubususa at gmail.com 

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From michaelheit at yahoo.com  Fri Jul  5 15:19:46 2019
From: michaelheit at yahoo.com (Michael Heit)
Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2019 19:19:46 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Headphone set up problem
References: <19177474.3434566.1562354386653.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <19177474.3434566.1562354386653@mail.yahoo.com>

I bought the Heil headphone set up with my KX3 but have never been able to get the mic to work right. I followed the instructions for installing it and the menu items needed but every time I plug in the mic plug the radio immediately goes into transmit mode.
The reason I wanted the headset was hands free operation, the earphones are great but I cannot use the mic installed? Has anyone else had this problem? Did you cure it? Hos so??
Thank you,73Mike AD7VV

From jstengrevics at comcast.net  Fri Jul  5 15:23:50 2019
From: jstengrevics at comcast.net (John Stengrevics)
Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2019 15:23:50 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <AM5P189MB03871321FE47CB7399B03770B5F50@AM5P189MB0387.EURP189.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
References: <201907051602.x65G22TI022615@mail46c28.carrierzone.com>
	<AM5P189MB03871321FE47CB7399B03770B5F50@AM5P189MB0387.EURP189.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
Message-ID: <B31D760C-2FC7-40CC-89EC-E8C3E3251697@comcast.net>

A bit off topic, but I thought I?d ask anyway.  Would using a HA1YA 6 meter transverter with the K3S improve performance on noise level reduction and sensitivity over the stock K3S?

73,

John
WA1EAZ



> On Jul 5, 2019, at 3:17 PM, Conrad PA5Y <g0ruz at g0ruz.com> wrote:
> 
> Hello Ed, the HA1YA and DB6NT transverters are also considerably better than the DEMI designs which are 3 generations behind. I have been in serious pursuit of low PN and low IMD on 144 and 432 and I found that either of the aforementioned transverters with a K3S were many times better than anything else. I looked at almost everything out there, it took 2 years but there really was no other choice. There used to be 3 choices but sadly the Anglian (144) and Iceni (432) kits from G4DDK are no longer an option, on 70cms I have an Iceni. With the K3S , Iceni and a TV TX I am achieving TX 3rd orders of -53dBc, I am so pleased with this. The composite noise @ 20kHz is 33dBc/Hz better than any other radio that I have measured. On 2m 25dB better for composite noise I am still working on 2m intemods, so far the whole chain is -40dbc 3rd orders but I would like to improve this by at least 6dB, the problem is an LDMOS driver and nothing to do with the K3S or HA1YA transverter.
> 
> I have a bit more to say about the K3S and TX IMD on 6m in another post.
> 
> Regards
> 
> Conrad PA5Y
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On Behalf Of Edward R Cole
> Sent: 05 July 2019 18:02
> To: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: [Elecraft] (no subject)
> 
> Kjeld,
> 
> I agree with Conrad PA5Y,  both Kuhne Engineering or  HA1YA make very good transverters and are available in EU.
> 
> I would add the DEMI L-series transverter which now is made by a company called Q5 (located in US) for any NA hams reading the mail on this topic.
> I use DEMI transverters on digital-eme on 144, 1296, and higher (have had 144,222, 432, 1296, 3456, and 10-GHz models).
> 
> I also use preamps located at antennas on 6m, 2m, 432, 1296+  Even though local electronic noise can be high at times, when its not they make a huge difference.  Only for 6m (50-MHz) would I agree that it might not give much help (but if you have a K3, it needs either a PR6 or other preamp to bring up 6m &10m sensitivity; not an issue with K3s or K4).  MY KX3 with internal preamp ON = my K3 + PR6 in sensitivity on 6m)
> 
> The early reports on the IC-9700 were not favorable for freq stability (though I read they had addressed this, lately).  Still investment in K3s + good transverter will beat the IC-9700 without a doubt.
> 
> 73, Ed - KL7UW
> 
> From: Kjeld Holm <kh at kh-translation.dk>
> To: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: [Elecraft] Digital modes on 144MHz only
> Message-ID:
>         <AM0PR03MB553863DE40CDE9D3F09EE28F9DFA0 at AM0PR03MB5538.eurprd03.prod.outlook.com>
> 
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> 
> Digital modes on 144MHz only
> 
> I plan for a second station to use for digital modes on 144MHz only. 
> If you look at performance only (no price, no ergonomics, no use outside digital modes on 144MHz) what would you prefer
> 
> 1)   K3/K3S with internal transverter
> 2)   IC-9700
> 
> In both cases I plan to use a 1kW amplifier.
> 
> Vy 73 de OZ1CCM, Kjeld
> 
> 
> 73, Ed - KL7UW
>   http://www.kl7uw.com
> Dubus-NA Business mail:
>   dubususa at gmail.com 
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From lists at subich.com  Fri Jul  5 15:27:29 2019
From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV)
Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2019 15:27:29 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] OT a bit: K3 Ant Tuner
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References: <21cd377a-9d58-e242-b817-3a73cbe0d8f8@comcast.net>
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On 2019-07-05 1:55 PM, Jack Brindle via Elecraft wrote:

> The external ATU takes care of the antenna matching, and should 
 > present a 50 ohm load to the BPF.

This only hold true for the *single frequency* on which the external
antenna tuner is "tuned".  Typically (depending on the tuner Q and
losses), the SWR seen by the BPF will be *HIGHER* away from the one
"matched" frequency (e.g., the other end of the band) than it would
be without the external tuner in place.

As such, the tuner in/tuner out will increase losses and heating in
the BPF.  If the BPF is a marginal design, the added loss/heat could
be fatal to the BPF.

The proper way to handle a rig with built-in tuner is to bypass the
internal tuner (or tune it into a 50 Ohm load in the middle of the
band) and do *all tuning with the external tuner* which assures the
BPF always sees a 50 OHM load.

73,

    ... Joe, W4TV


On 2019-07-05 1:55 PM, Jack Brindle via Elecraft wrote:
> Lets step back a bit and look at the system here. The K3, with ATU, drives into the BPF, when then drives into the external ATU and finally the antenna.
> The external ATU takes care of the antenna matching, and should present a 50 ohm load to the BPF. The BPF, because of its design, should present a 50 ohm load to the ATU as well, so everything is matched there.
> Before anyone jumps on this, remember the signals go both ways, outbound for transmit, inbound for receive. Also, we have a fundamental principal thrown at every EE student, that for best transmission of signal, the source and load impedances should match.
> 
> OK, so let?s look at the K3 side. The K3 antenna port connects directly to the BPF?s radio port. Again, we are presuming the BPF is designed for 50 ohms resistive source/load. The K3 is designed to transmit into a 50 ohm load, but it may not itself be a 50 ohm source. And, the receiver input may not be 50 ohms as well. Adding a tuned ATU does bring this to 50 ohms, providing a proper match into the BPF, so that optimum signal flows both ways. So it could actually be beneficial for the ATU to be in-line and properly tuned. The best way to perform the tune would be to tune the ATU into a 50 ohm dummy load, but tuning into the BPF at low power should work also. The exception to this would be if the BPF changes impedance when power is applied, but then if this happens the best place for that BPF is the trash can.
> 
> Now having said this, the ATU can also be bypassed in the K3, and that circuit may provide a proper 50 ohm source/load for the BPF. I would probably take this approach myself (and in fact do so in my station). The reason I take this approach is to avoid the small loss that the internal ATU presents. In contesting, every db matters.
> 
> Note that we are talking nits at this point. Unless the ATU was tuned for a load quite a bit off 50 ohms resistive, (quite possible), then retuning won?t make much difference. Perhaps the op had this situation, and thought it better to return the ATU than to bypass it, or he didn?t even think to bypass it. The point is, both methods will work, and I doubt he did anything wrong it performing the tune.
> 
> 73!
> Jack, W6FB
> 
> 
>> On Jul 5, 2019, at 10:18 AM, Mark Goldberg <marklgoldberg at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I could not let this go. I've done a lot of work with bandpass filters. The
>> mismatch will degrade the filter.
>>
>> For an example, I used Elsie, which is a filter calculator. Using the
>> example 20 Meter bandpass filter, the passband loss is about .25 dB with
>> matched 50 ohms in and out. Changing the output impedance to 38+j12 (38
>> ohms plus 135 nH inductor at 14.15 MHz, about 1.5:1 SWR), the passband
>> losses increase to about 0.4 - .44 dB and vary more over the band.
>>
>> Here are the schematics and plots, anyone is welcome to check my
>> calculations, as I do make mistakes!
>>
>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1kj31IL_px6nVyRadW4nOi_c6FLgyaRyk/view?usp=sharing
>>
>> The loss in the filter will almost double. For 100W in, the loss goes from
>> about 6W to about 10W. So, it is not a good idea. A worse match will result
>> in even more losses, perhaps overheating and destroying the filter.
>>
>> 73,
>>
>> Mark
>> W7MLG
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 5, 2019 at 8:32 AM Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Rich,
>>>
>>> Yes and no.  With 2 antenna tuners in-line, there will be a bit more
>>> loss due to inductor winding resistance, but other than that, it should
>>> do harm.
>>>
>>> Several bandpass filters indicate that they should be between the rig
>>> and the tuner (so the bandpass filters are not run at a high SWR).
>>> If the power rating of the bandpass filter is marginal with respect to
>>> the rig power, then I would observe that caution. Refer to the bandpass
>>> filter specs.
>>>
>>> 73,
>>> Don W3FPR
>>>
>>> On 7/5/2019 10:57 AM, Rich wrote:
>>>> To minimize emails direct replies would be nice.  I searched the web and
>>>> could not find an answer.   I know there are a ton of smart folks on
>>>> this list so I thought I would ask.
>>>>
>>>> On Field Day at typical setup is :
>>>>
>>>> K3 (or any radio) - bandpass filter -  External Antenna Tuner  - Antenna
>>>>
>>>> So the antenna was tuned via the external tuner, but saw a guy then
>>>> using the K3 ant tuner to touch up the SWR between the radio and the
>>>> bandpass filter.  Is that an acceptable practice?
>>>>
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From wunder at wunderwood.org  Fri Jul  5 15:28:26 2019
From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood)
Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2019 12:28:26 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Headphone set up problem
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The mic plug is shorting the ?mic button? (PTT) contact. Set MIC BTN to OFF in the menus or use an off the shelf stereo to mono splitter.

I described the latter in this blog post. The splitter also gives you cleaner mic bias and a PTT jack.

https://observer.wunderwood.org/2015/08/16/yamaha-cm500-headset-with-ptt-on-elecraft-kx3/

wunder
K6WRU
Walter Underwood
CM87wj
http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog)

> On Jul 5, 2019, at 12:19 PM, Michael Heit via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
> 
> I bought the Heil headphone set up with my KX3 but have never been able to get the mic to work right. I followed the instructions for installing it and the menu items needed but every time I plug in the mic plug the radio immediately goes into transmit mode.
> The reason I wanted the headset was hands free operation, the earphones are great but I cannot use the mic installed? Has anyone else had this problem? Did you cure it? Hos so??
> Thank you,73Mike AD7VV
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From g0ruz at g0ruz.com  Fri Jul  5 15:33:00 2019
From: g0ruz at g0ruz.com (Conrad PA5Y)
Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2019 19:33:00 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S TX IMD on 50 MHz
Message-ID: <AM5P189MB0387A163B854DBF8BBC80D91B5F50@AM5P189MB0387.EURP189.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

In the last few weeks I have been setting up my K3S with transverters and using the on board 2 tone generator and a 28 MHz transverter drive I have been delighted with the TX performance. The 3rd order TX IMD at the level I require is -58dBc! It is how radios should be. Tonight I am making these measurements on 6m at various power levels and they are awful! Not only that but occasionally I see some strange gain jumps, usually when I first start the 2 tone test. I have read that this hunting is due to the power control loop.

So I hope that adding the PA means that I am doing something wrong with the 2 tone setup. I have the compression set to zero but I think that this is bypassed when internal 2 tone generator is active? I cannot get 3rd orders better than -26dBc on 6m at any power level. I read about the ALC 'hunting' but when on LSB with 2 tone on I see no ALC indication at all so maybe this is the problem? At 10W there is an awful noise pedestal as well. I hope that this is not AM noise as seen on the IC-7300. Please tell me that this I an adjustment error on my part or I will have to add a PA to the transverter port for 6m.

Help!

73

Conrad PA5Y

From g0ruz at g0ruz.com  Fri Jul  5 15:48:12 2019
From: g0ruz at g0ruz.com (Conrad PA5Y)
Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2019 19:48:12 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Digital modes on 144MHz only
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Wes is quite right. 

There is a free program called AppCAD that allows system noise figure analysis for up to 7 cascaded stages. It is enlightening and you will understand the significance of each stage in no time just by plugging a few numbers in. Have a try its educational ?

73

Conrad PA5Y

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: 05 July 2019 15:08
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Digital modes on 144MHz only

That isn't quite right either.? The preamp gain must be much higher than the following losses to minimize second stage degradation. (Line loss degrades the NF of the second stage)

Wes? N7WS

On 7/5/2019 5:35 AM, Martin wrote:
>
> That's not quite right. The overall system noise is determined by the 
> preamp noise figure when mounted as close? to the antenna as possible. 
> Cable losses
> (=noise) after the preamp can be neglected, as long as the gain of the 
> preamp is higher than the losses in subsequent components. So the 
> cable AFTER the preamp can be pretty lossy. OTOH, too much gain from 
> the preamp easily overdrives your transceiver's RX. A good balance 
> between gain vs. cable losses is mandatory. The noise figure of the pramp is crucial.
> If you are satisfied with your transverter's noise figure , mount it 
> close to the antenna via a short run low loss cable, if you can. This 
> saves the expenses for a preamp.
>
> This applies to the RX path. I'm not talking cable quality or output 
> power for TX.
>
>
> > Message: 15
> > Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2019 17:11:58 -0500
> > From: Bob McGraw K4TAX <rmcgraw at blomand.net>
> > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Digital modes on 144MHz only
> >
> > ..... Start with a mast mounted low noise preamp, then low loss 
> > feedline such as 7/8" hard-line, and such. Remember, loss in the 
> > feedline adds to receiver noise.
> > ..........
> >
>
>

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From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Fri Jul  5 15:51:58 2019
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2019 12:51:58 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] OT a bit: K3 Ant Tuner
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Actually, I suspect that they're designed for 50 ohms at least in part, 
because that's how they will be measured!? We try hard to present a 
matched load in the passband, but, as others observed, output stages are 
usually lower than 50 ohms and few antennas, even when matched by a 
tuner, look anything like 50 ohms away from resonance. So all we can 
really hope to gain by matching is to minimize loss in the passband.? 
AND -- any performance specs and/or measurements at 50 ohms in and out 
are a fiction away from resonance, and with other than a 50 ohm source.

73, Jim K9YC



On 7/5/2019 11:37 AM, K9MA wrote:
> Bandpass filters are generally designed for 50 Ohm source and load 
> resistances, mainly because the actual source and load impedances are 
> usually unknown. These filters will only perform as advertised with a 
> 50 Ohm source and load. With real world impedances, you just have to 
> hope for the best.



From jackbrindle at me.com  Fri Jul  5 15:51:57 2019
From: jackbrindle at me.com (Jack Brindle)
Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2019 12:51:57 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] OT a bit: K3 Ant Tuner
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As commonly used, bandpass filters have one main use - to protect receivers. That may be the local receiver, protecting it from sting out of band signals, or a neighbor receiver, gain protecting it from strong out of band signals.
This quite well describes SO2R stations, where we are very concerned about receiver damage. The BPF is commonly placed between the transceiver and antenna, which for a multiple of reasons needs to be 50 ohms impedance.
One of the major jobs given to the BPF is to suppress harmonic content of the transmitted signal, for which the antenna load will most certainly NOT present a 50 ohm load to the BPF. There are many references for this, I would refer to W2VJN?s publication ?Managing Interstaion Interference? and the excellent articles by K9YC (who will most likely join into the discussion shortly). Jim has done a lot of testing with BPFs, and has some very interesting articles comparing and discussing their use, as well as other articles about how to avoid damaging receivers in SO2R stations with their use, as well as the use of stubs for harmonic suppression.

The point is, BPFs are designed for both scenarios, to pass signals in-band, where the load impedance is 50 ohms, and reject out of band signals, where the impedance is almost never50 ohms. Note that most BPFs do not do much for in-band signal rejection (by design). Using them to protect a receiver in the same band is a recipe for disaster.

There is another point being missed. The K3 design, like most transceivers, contains a Low Pass filter (LPF) after the PA (used for both the low power output and the KPA3 if installed), followed by a directional coupler. The directional coupler needs to see 50 ohms at both the input and output for it to measure signals accurately. It can pretty well be assumed that when the internal ATU is in bypass, the K3 is close to 50 ohms at the antenna port. Thus, in bypass, the BPF should see the load it needs at its output. 

Again, the purpose of the BPF is to protect receivers, so the load we generally discuss is the K3 receiver, which will be 50 ohms due to the directional coupler input, But we also need for it to see an in-band 50 ohm load at its other end so that it can properly do its job. Note that BPFs are bidirectional - it really doesn?t matter how you connect them they do the same job both ways. They will generally see higher signal levels when in the active TX path (and thus dissipate more heat), but they are active in both directions, and for passing signals with very little loss, need to see a proper load.

73!
Jack, W6FB

> On Jul 5, 2019, at 12:27 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV <lists at subich.com> wrote:
> 
> On 2019-07-05 1:55 PM, Jack Brindle via Elecraft wrote:
> 
>> The external ATU takes care of the antenna matching, and should 
> > present a 50 ohm load to the BPF.
> 
> This only hold true for the *single frequency* on which the external
> antenna tuner is "tuned".  Typically (depending on the tuner Q and
> losses), the SWR seen by the BPF will be *HIGHER* away from the one
> "matched" frequency (e.g., the other end of the band) than it would
> be without the external tuner in place.
> 
> As such, the tuner in/tuner out will increase losses and heating in
> the BPF.  If the BPF is a marginal design, the added loss/heat could
> be fatal to the BPF.
> 
> The proper way to handle a rig with built-in tuner is to bypass the
> internal tuner (or tune it into a 50 Ohm load in the middle of the
> band) and do *all tuning with the external tuner* which assures the
> BPF always sees a 50 OHM load.
> 
> 73,
> 
>   ... Joe, W4TV
> 
> 
> On 2019-07-05 1:55 PM, Jack Brindle via Elecraft wrote:
>> Lets step back a bit and look at the system here. The K3, with ATU, drives into the BPF, when then drives into the external ATU and finally the antenna.
>> The external ATU takes care of the antenna matching, and should present a 50 ohm load to the BPF. The BPF, because of its design, should present a 50 ohm load to the ATU as well, so everything is matched there.
>> Before anyone jumps on this, remember the signals go both ways, outbound for transmit, inbound for receive. Also, we have a fundamental principal thrown at every EE student, that for best transmission of signal, the source and load impedances should match.
>> OK, so let?s look at the K3 side. The K3 antenna port connects directly to the BPF?s radio port. Again, we are presuming the BPF is designed for 50 ohms resistive source/load. The K3 is designed to transmit into a 50 ohm load, but it may not itself be a 50 ohm source. And, the receiver input may not be 50 ohms as well. Adding a tuned ATU does bring this to 50 ohms, providing a proper match into the BPF, so that optimum signal flows both ways. So it could actually be beneficial for the ATU to be in-line and properly tuned. The best way to perform the tune would be to tune the ATU into a 50 ohm dummy load, but tuning into the BPF at low power should work also. The exception to this would be if the BPF changes impedance when power is applied, but then if this happens the best place for that BPF is the trash can.
>> Now having said this, the ATU can also be bypassed in the K3, and that circuit may provide a proper 50 ohm source/load for the BPF. I would probably take this approach myself (and in fact do so in my station). The reason I take this approach is to avoid the small loss that the internal ATU presents. In contesting, every db matters.
>> Note that we are talking nits at this point. Unless the ATU was tuned for a load quite a bit off 50 ohms resistive, (quite possible), then retuning won?t make much difference. Perhaps the op had this situation, and thought it better to return the ATU than to bypass it, or he didn?t even think to bypass it. The point is, both methods will work, and I doubt he did anything wrong it performing the tune.
>> 73!
>> Jack, W6FB
>>> On Jul 5, 2019, at 10:18 AM, Mark Goldberg <marklgoldberg at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I could not let this go. I've done a lot of work with bandpass filters. The
>>> mismatch will degrade the filter.
>>> 
>>> For an example, I used Elsie, which is a filter calculator. Using the
>>> example 20 Meter bandpass filter, the passband loss is about .25 dB with
>>> matched 50 ohms in and out. Changing the output impedance to 38+j12 (38
>>> ohms plus 135 nH inductor at 14.15 MHz, about 1.5:1 SWR), the passband
>>> losses increase to about 0.4 - .44 dB and vary more over the band.
>>> 
>>> Here are the schematics and plots, anyone is welcome to check my
>>> calculations, as I do make mistakes!
>>> 
>>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1kj31IL_px6nVyRadW4nOi_c6FLgyaRyk/view?usp=sharing
>>> 
>>> The loss in the filter will almost double. For 100W in, the loss goes from
>>> about 6W to about 10W. So, it is not a good idea. A worse match will result
>>> in even more losses, perhaps overheating and destroying the filter.
>>> 
>>> 73,
>>> 
>>> Mark
>>> W7MLG
>>> 
>>> On Fri, Jul 5, 2019 at 8:32 AM Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Rich,
>>>> 
>>>> Yes and no.  With 2 antenna tuners in-line, there will be a bit more
>>>> loss due to inductor winding resistance, but other than that, it should
>>>> do harm.
>>>> 
>>>> Several bandpass filters indicate that they should be between the rig
>>>> and the tuner (so the bandpass filters are not run at a high SWR).
>>>> If the power rating of the bandpass filter is marginal with respect to
>>>> the rig power, then I would observe that caution. Refer to the bandpass
>>>> filter specs.
>>>> 
>>>> 73,
>>>> Don W3FPR
>>>> 
>>>> On 7/5/2019 10:57 AM, Rich wrote:
>>>>> To minimize emails direct replies would be nice.  I searched the web and
>>>>> could not find an answer.   I know there are a ton of smart folks on
>>>>> this list so I thought I would ask.
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Field Day at typical setup is :
>>>>> 
>>>>> K3 (or any radio) - bandpass filter -  External Antenna Tuner  - Antenna
>>>>> 
>>>>> So the antenna was tuned via the external tuner, but saw a guy then
>>>>> using the K3 ant tuner to touch up the SWR between the radio and the
>>>>> bandpass filter.  Is that an acceptable practice?
>>>>> 
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From gdanner12 at gmail.com  Fri Jul  5 15:56:14 2019
From: gdanner12 at gmail.com (Gmail - George)
Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2019 15:56:14 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] OT a bit: K3 Ant Tuner
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-----Original Message----- 
From: Jack Brindle via Elecraft 

...

Now having said this, the ATU can also be bypassed in the K3, and that circuit may provide a proper 50 ohm source/load for the BPF. I would probably take this approach myself (and in fact do so in my station). The reason I take this approach is to avoid the small loss that the internal ATU presents. In contesting, every db matters.

Note that we are talking nits at this point. Unless the ATU was tuned for a load quite a bit off 50 ohms resistive, (quite possible), then retuning won?t make much difference. Perhaps the op had this situation, and thought it better to return the ATU than to bypass it, or he didn?t even think to bypass it. The point is, both methods will work, and I doubt he did anything wrong it performing the tune.


Jack,
If I'm not mistaken - the KAT3 is not able to be physically  bypassed in a K3 - don't know in a K3S; but I thought the KAT3A  did a physical bypass. 
My understanding is that when you bypass the ATU (KAT3), it is merely being set to a value that cancels the internal L & C of the board.
I would think a tune would not actually actually change much of anything; but leave it to someone to actually test the true output impedance in both.

73
George AI4VZ

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From forums at david-woolley.me.uk  Fri Jul  5 16:09:24 2019
From: forums at david-woolley.me.uk (David Woolley)
Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2019 21:09:24 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] OT a bit: K3 Ant Tuner
In-Reply-To: <05D7AA50-B37C-4399-A747-FFF7446836CB@me.com>
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I think we have the maximum power transfer theorem fallacy again here. 
The maximum power transfer theorem does not give the right result when 
you want to maximise efficiency, which is what you generally want to do 
in a transmitter, as it always results in worse than 50% efficiency.

One would expect the output impedance of transmitter to not only differ 
from 50 ohms but to radically differ from it.  If I remember correctly 
for a simple transconductance device, the resistive component will be 
many times 50 ohms.  If heavy negative feedback is used, I think it may 
actually be much lower than the "matched" value.  See 
<https://www.edn.com/Pdf/ViewPdf?contentItemId=4124437> for typical real 
reverse termination impedances.

Unless you put a (ferrite) isolator between transmitter and filter your 
filter design needs to assume far from 50 ohm reverse termination.

Putting a matching network in will simply destroy the PA efficiency, or 
even destroy the PA, through overheating.  If one really wanted to do 
it, you would have to adjust the SWR based on a received signal.

That matching network, will, itself, have a frequency response, as will 
the one leading to antenna.

Another reason for not operating anywhere near 50 ohm reverse terminated 
is that the dynamic resistance of output devices is far from linear, and 
a close match could produce a lot of distortion.

-- 
David Woolley
Owner K2 06123

On 05/07/2019 18:55, Jack Brindle wrote:
> Lets step back a bit and look at the system here. The K3, with ATU, drives into the BPF, when then drives into the external ATU and finally the antenna.
> The external ATU takes care of the antenna matching, and should present a 50 ohm load to the BPF. The BPF, because of its design, should present a 50 ohm load to the ATU as well, so everything is matched there.
> Before anyone jumps on this, remember the signals go both ways, outbound for transmit, inbound for receive. Also, we have a fundamental principal thrown at every EE student, that for best transmission of signal, the source and load impedances should match.


From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Fri Jul  5 16:09:47 2019
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2019 16:09:47 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Headphone set up problem
In-Reply-To: <8BBF278D-9EDB-4B72-84EE-14502534FDF5@wunderwood.org>
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	<8BBF278D-9EDB-4B72-84EE-14502534FDF5@wunderwood.org>
Message-ID: <abf2942e-43cc-37c9-8792-5e5cfb00456f@embarqmail.com>

Note carefully that Wunder specified a "SPLITTER" and that is different 
than an 'adapter'.

The more common mono to stereo adapter will NOT cure the condition.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 7/5/2019 3:28 PM, Walter Underwood wrote:
> The mic plug is shorting the ?mic button? (PTT) contact. Set MIC BTN to OFF in the menus or use an off the shelf stereo to mono splitter.
> 
> I described the latter in this blog post. The splitter also gives you cleaner mic bias and a PTT jack.
> 
> https://observer.wunderwood.org/2015/08/16/yamaha-cm500-headset-with-ptt-on-elecraft-kx3/
> 
> wunder
> K6WRU

From marklgoldberg at gmail.com  Fri Jul  5 16:37:13 2019
From: marklgoldberg at gmail.com (Mark Goldberg)
Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2019 13:37:13 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] OT a bit: K3 Ant Tuner
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On Fri, Jul 5, 2019 at 12:54 PM Jack Brindle via Elecraft <
elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:

> As commonly used, bandpass filters have one main use - to protect
> receivers. That may be the local receiver, protecting it from sting out of
> band signals, or a neighbor receiver, gain protecting it from strong out of
> band signals.
>

You are only thinking of good Elecraft radios. There are plenty of crap
radios that transmit harmonics or even wideband noise.


> This quite well describes SO2R stations, where we are very concerned about
> receiver damage. The BPF is commonly placed between the transceiver and
> antenna, which for a multiple of reasons needs to be 50 ohms impedance.
> One of the major jobs given to the BPF is to suppress harmonic content of
> the transmitted signal, for which the antenna load will most certainly NOT
> present a 50 ohm load to the BPF. There are many references for this, I
> would refer to W2VJN?s publication ?Managing Interstaion Interference? and
> the excellent articles by K9YC (who will most likely join into the
> discussion shortly). Jim has done a lot of testing with BPFs, and has some
> very interesting articles comparing and discussing their use, as well as
> other articles about how to avoid damaging receivers in SO2R stations with
> their use, as well as the use of stubs for harmonic suppression.
>
> The point is, BPFs are designed for both scenarios, to pass signals
> in-band, where the load impedance is 50 ohms, and reject out of band
> signals, where the impedance is almost never50 ohms. Note that most BPFs do
> not do much for in-band signal rejection (by design). Using them to protect
> a receiver in the same band is a recipe for disaster.
>
>
In general a BPF will present a low impedance shunt load and a high
impedance series load. Even into an unmatched load, it is likely that the
BPF will still have a much lower shunt impedance and a much higher series
impedance than what it is working into. In the example I showed, the change
out of the passband was much less than the change in the passband. Out of
the passband, it still works pretty well to reject signals. The unmatched
load affects the in band performance a lot.

I found Elsie to be really useful to get an understanding of what filters
do under various conditions.

73,

Mark
W7MLG

From marklgoldberg at gmail.com  Fri Jul  5 16:39:19 2019
From: marklgoldberg at gmail.com (Mark Goldberg)
Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2019 13:39:19 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Headphone set up problem
In-Reply-To: <abf2942e-43cc-37c9-8792-5e5cfb00456f@embarqmail.com>
References: <19177474.3434566.1562354386653.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<19177474.3434566.1562354386653@mail.yahoo.com>
	<8BBF278D-9EDB-4B72-84EE-14502534FDF5@wunderwood.org>
	<abf2942e-43cc-37c9-8792-5e5cfb00456f@embarqmail.com>
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The exact cable Wunder suggested is still available at Amazon for $4.95.
They can probably thank him for some sales! I bought one.

73,

Mark
W7MLG

On Fri, Jul 5, 2019 at 1:11 PM Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com> wrote:

> Note carefully that Wunder specified a "SPLITTER" and that is different
> than an 'adapter'.
>
> The more common mono to stereo adapter will NOT cure the condition.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 7/5/2019 3:28 PM, Walter Underwood wrote:
> > The mic plug is shorting the ?mic button? (PTT) contact. Set MIC BTN to
> OFF in the menus or use an off the shelf stereo to mono splitter.
> >
> > I described the latter in this blog post. The splitter also gives you
> cleaner mic bias and a PTT jack.
> >
> >
> https://observer.wunderwood.org/2015/08/16/yamaha-cm500-headset-with-ptt-on-elecraft-kx3/
> >
> > wunder
> > K6WRU
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From nr4c at widomaker.com  Fri Jul  5 17:09:49 2019
From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c)
Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2019 17:09:49 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: K4/K4D antenna ports.
In-Reply-To: <16F3702E-12AA-4741-A8EA-06C7514BF539@elecraft.com>
References: <83B767DF-075E-43CC-AC1B-05701B6D3BDB@widomaker.com>
	<B47BB96A-7D58-413D-A5CB-505AB4A287E4@widomaker.com>
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Thank you, Wayne. 

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill


> On Jul 5, 2019, at 12:59 PM, Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com> wrote:
> 
> Nr4c <nr4c at widomaker.com> wrote:
> 
> 
>>> How many ports does a K4D have without the ATU. 
> 
> 1 main antenna jack and 2 receive antenna inputs.
> 
> 
>>> 
>>> I know the K4 only has one I think the ATU ads 2 more for total of three. 
> 
> Yes. Also, any one of the ATU antenna jacks can be designated as a third receive antenna input (for either receiver).
> 
> 
>>> But K4D must have two ports for separate antennas for Diversity, right?
> 
> Yes, RX ANT1 and RX ANT2. The latter is also labeled XVTR IN, and can be used with transverters.
> 
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR
> 


From jackbrindle at me.com  Fri Jul  5 17:42:24 2019
From: jackbrindle at me.com (Jack Brindle)
Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2019 14:42:24 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] OT a bit: K3 Ant Tuner
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Good observation, George. The KAT3A indeed does have a bypass relay, while the KAT3 (in the original K3) does not. As I recall, the KAT3 switches the inductors and capacitors out in bypass mode, but does not necessarily provide the best 50 match. This is due to variances in the components and placement from unit to unit. Tuning into a good 50 ohm dummy load can provide a better 50 ohm match, but it has the slight down side of adding a slight amount of loss to the path. In the end they do pretty much the same thing, but if someone wanted to be a real perfectionist (and I?ll admit to that with many things), then tuning into a dummy load will provide an oh-so slightly better match.

The important point here is that it really needs to tune into a known-good 50 ohm resistive load to get what you want. Tuning into the BPF might get you there depending on the output of the BPF.

As I stated earlier, I set my K3s to bypass mode for driving either my BPFs or my KPA500s.

73!
Jack, W6FB

> On Jul 5, 2019, at 12:56 PM, Gmail - George <gdanner12 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: Jack Brindle via Elecraft 
> 
> ...
> 
> Now having said this, the ATU can also be bypassed in the K3, and that circuit may provide a proper 50 ohm source/load for the BPF. I would probably take this approach myself (and in fact do so in my station). The reason I take this approach is to avoid the small loss that the internal ATU presents. In contesting, every db matters.
> 
> Note that we are talking nits at this point. Unless the ATU was tuned for a load quite a bit off 50 ohms resistive, (quite possible), then retuning won?t make much difference. Perhaps the op had this situation, and thought it better to return the ATU than to bypass it, or he didn?t even think to bypass it. The point is, both methods will work, and I doubt he did anything wrong it performing the tune.
> 
> 
> Jack,
> If I'm not mistaken - the KAT3 is not able to be physically  bypassed in a K3 - don't know in a K3S; but I thought the KAT3A  did a physical bypass. 
> My understanding is that when you bypass the ATU (KAT3), it is merely being set to a value that cancels the internal L & C of the board.
> I would think a tune would not actually actually change much of anything; but leave it to someone to actually test the true output impedance in both.
> 
> 73
> George AI4VZ
> 
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From kg9hfrank at gmail.com  Fri Jul  5 18:09:24 2019
From: kg9hfrank at gmail.com (Frank Krozel)
Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2019 17:09:24 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] OT a bit: K3 Ant Tuner
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I have a plain K3 that I bypass the built-in tuner on 80 all the time.
On 20 and 40 it is in-line all the time.
de Frank KG9H


> On Jul 5, 2019, at 4:42 PM, Jack Brindle via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
> 
> Good observation, George. The KAT3A indeed does have a bypass relay, while the KAT3 (in the original K3) does not. As I recall, the KAT3 switches the inductors and capacitors out in bypass mode, but does not necessarily provide the best 50 match. This is due to variances in the components and placement from unit to unit. Tuning into a good 50 ohm dummy load can provide a better 50 ohm match, but it has the slight down side of adding a slight amount of loss to the path. In the end they do pretty much the same thing, but if someone wanted to be a real perfectionist (and I?ll admit to that with many things), then tuning into a dummy load will provide an oh-so slightly better match.
> 
> The important point here is that it really needs to tune into a known-good 50 ohm resistive load to get what you want. Tuning into the BPF might get you there depending on the output of the BPF.
> 
> As I stated earlier, I set my K3s to bypass mode for driving either my BPFs or my KPA500s.
> 
> 73!
> Jack, W6FB
> 
>> On Jul 5, 2019, at 12:56 PM, Gmail - George <gdanner12 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message----- 
>> From: Jack Brindle via Elecraft 
>> 
>> ...
>> 
>> Now having said this, the ATU can also be bypassed in the K3, and that circuit may provide a proper 50 ohm source/load for the BPF. I would probably take this approach myself (and in fact do so in my station). The reason I take this approach is to avoid the small loss that the internal ATU presents. In contesting, every db matters.
>> 
>> Note that we are talking nits at this point. Unless the ATU was tuned for a load quite a bit off 50 ohms resistive, (quite possible), then retuning won?t make much difference. Perhaps the op had this situation, and thought it better to return the ATU than to bypass it, or he didn?t even think to bypass it. The point is, both methods will work, and I doubt he did anything wrong it performing the tune.
>> 
>> 
>> Jack,
>> If I'm not mistaken - the KAT3 is not able to be physically  bypassed in a K3 - don't know in a K3S; but I thought the KAT3A  did a physical bypass. 
>> My understanding is that when you bypass the ATU (KAT3), it is merely being set to a value that cancels the internal L & C of the board.
>> I would think a tune would not actually actually change much of anything; but leave it to someone to actually test the true output impedance in both.
>> 
>> 73
>> George AI4VZ
>> 
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From droese at necg.de  Fri Jul  5 18:37:01 2019
From: droese at necg.de (=?UTF-8?Q?Oliver_Dr=c3=b6se?=)
Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2019 00:37:01 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] Follow up on "Digital modes on 144MHz only"
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Hi Kjeld,

I'm using the internal K144XV in one my K3s. It's very sensitive and 
stable (using the REFLOCK board, too), so no problem on that. BUT: the 
cooling design is just terrible! :-( It's all passive relying on the 
side plate of the transceiver to dissipate the heat. While this works 
ok-ish on SSB it's a nightmare on CW and especially digimodes! Heat does 
not get dissipated fast enough so the whole transverter heats up quite 
fast which results in a serious power drop, in my case from 10 watts 
down to about 5-6 watts! :-( That means instead of 1 kW output it's just 
5-600 W after about 10 minutes of operation with my PA behind. :-(

I had a second K144XV and behaviour was the same. Same is true for a 
third one at a friend of mine so I assume this is a general design flaw. :-(

I can only second Conrad's, PA5Y, suggestion concerning the HA1YA 
transverter. Very good performance and reasonably priced compared to the 
Kuhne stuff (which is probably even a tad better). Using the PRO models 
myself on 4 & 2 m.

@Wayne:
If you're reading this please make sure the planned 144/430 MHz module 
in the K4 will work much better! Serious DX on VHF is almost all digital 
nowadays and the internal transverter needs to handle that ...

73, Olli - DH8BQA

Contest, DX & radio projects: https://www.dh8bqa.de/


Am 05.07.2019 um 20:34 schrieb Kjeld Holm:
> Thanks to all who replied to my mail (see below) but allow me to ask:
>
> Anyone using Elecraft XV144 or K144XV or HG 144-K for digital modes?
>
> Any comments on these being better or worse than other brands?
>
> Vy 73 de OZ1CCM, Kjeld
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Kjeld Holm
> Sent: 4. juli 2019 20:31
> To: Elecraft Reflector
> Subject: [Elecraft] Digital modes on 144MHz only
>
> Digital modes on 144MHz only
>
> I plan for a second station to use for digital modes on 144MHz only. If you look at performance only (no price, no ergonomics, no use outside digital modes on 144MHz) what would you prefer
>
> 1)   K3/K3S with internal transverter
> 2)   IC-9700
>
> In both cases I plan to use a 1kW amplifier.
>
> Vy 73 de OZ1CCM, Kjeld
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From aj1g at sbcglobal.net  Fri Jul  5 19:01:03 2019
From: aj1g at sbcglobal.net (Christopher Bowne)
Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2019 19:01:03 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K1 Intermittent Frequency Instability
Message-ID: <FF193634-E9A8-46BD-91EC-FBAEA22AC020@sbcglobal.net>

My 40 and 20 meter K1 has developed intermittent frequency instability and sometimes complete loss of ability to tune (frequency display jumps and stays on 68.0 nominal on 40 and 63.0 nominal on 20). Lightly ?mechanically agitating? the circuit board just behind the front panel will bring it back into stable operation, but any sort of movement (I run it QRP mobile in a Tacoma 4x4) will throw it out of whack again.  Three modes - normal stable, squiggly unstable, and locked at nominal 68 or 63 above 7.0 or 14.0 as noted above.  Seems like a bad solder joint or solder whisker somewhere.  Any suggestions on where to look?  K1 S/N 0291.

Chris, AJ1G Stonington CT
 from my iPhone

From ve3nr at bell.net  Fri Jul  5 19:35:32 2019
From: ve3nr at bell.net (Bert)
Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2019 19:35:32 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K1 Intermittent Frequency Instability
In-Reply-To: <FF193634-E9A8-46BD-91EC-FBAEA22AC020@sbcglobal.net>
References: <FF193634-E9A8-46BD-91EC-FBAEA22AC020@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <01740f41-c199-d519-fc88-55f7be69551c@bell.net>

Hi Chris,

Instead of spending time troubleshooting I would start with re-soldering
the Front Panel Board and connections. There are not that many
components so it shouldn't take that long. I had an intermittent
problem on my K1 and re-soldered the whole RF Board. Not very
sophisticated but it works.

Good luck!

Bert VE3NR




On 7/5/2019 7:01 PM, Christopher Bowne wrote:
> My 40 and 20 meter K1 has developed intermittent frequency instability and sometimes complete loss of ability to tune (frequency display jumps and stays on 68.0 nominal on 40 and 63.0 nominal on 20). Lightly ?mechanically agitating? the circuit board just behind the front panel will bring it back into stable operation, but any sort of movement (I run it QRP mobile in a Tacoma 4x4) will throw it out of whack again.  Three modes - normal stable, squiggly unstable, and locked at nominal 68 or 63 above 7.0 or 14.0 as noted above.  Seems like a bad solder joint or solder whisker somewhere.  Any suggestions on where to look?  K1 S/N 0291.
>
> Chris, AJ1G Stonington CT
>   from my iPhone
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From rv6amark at yahoo.com  Fri Jul  5 21:34:10 2019
From: rv6amark at yahoo.com (rv6amark)
Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2019 18:34:10 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] CW problem
Message-ID: <mailman.491.1562376863.2815.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>

John,Re:? "Anytime I change the mode from LSB or USB on any band to CW it starts to send a ?dit? without stopping..."Take a look at the plug and jack.? Be sure there is no damage to the jack, and that none of the plug was left behind in the jack.? That happened to me once on a keyboard.? A part of the plug's barrel broke off and just happened to short the tip to the shield.? It was difficult to see, too.?It's a long shot, and may not be what happened in your case, but the symptoms are correct.Mark,KE6BB
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From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Sat Jul  6 08:17:49 2019
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2019 08:17:49 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K1 Intermittent Frequency Instability
In-Reply-To: <FF193634-E9A8-46BD-91EC-FBAEA22AC020@sbcglobal.net>
References: <FF193634-E9A8-46BD-91EC-FBAEA22AC020@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <8a0aec31-beac-1297-0c82-5a073261f805@embarqmail.com>

Chris,

First check the 10 turn VFO pot and its connections on the front panel 
board.  If the pot itself is the older one with a blue plastic shaft 
(remove the knob to check), replace it with the newer metal shaft pot.

If that is not the problem, turn to sheet 1 of the RF Board schematic. 
Reflow the soldering for all the components in the VFO area.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 7/5/2019 7:01 PM, Christopher Bowne wrote:
> My 40 and 20 meter K1 has developed intermittent frequency instability and sometimes complete loss of ability to tune (frequency display jumps and stays on 68.0 nominal on 40 and 63.0 nominal on 20). Lightly ?mechanically agitating? the circuit board just behind the front panel will bring it back into stable operation, but any sort of movement (I run it QRP mobile in a Tacoma 4x4) will throw it out of whack again.  Three modes - normal stable, squiggly unstable, and locked at nominal 68 or 63 above 7.0 or 14.0 as noted above.  Seems like a bad solder joint or solder whisker somewhere.  Any suggestions on where to look?  K1 S/N 0291.

From c-hawley at illinois.edu  Sat Jul  6 08:25:12 2019
From: c-hawley at illinois.edu (ke9uw)
Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2019 05:25:12 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] OT a bit: K3 Ant Tuner
In-Reply-To: <CAKn+a3vsAWjc66nCaSkAVMkq3QxsbW4TVxbKPAnKt3mwn4oVeA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <21cd377a-9d58-e242-b817-3a73cbe0d8f8@comcast.net>
	<1f610199-6a2f-d87e-403a-e76145b92107@embarqmail.com>
	<CAKn+a3tj1iTCqsr6DykjbXj9R3Ud-dQ6zCmNuD=w-skT6nW2UA@mail.gmail.com>
	<ec933427-1936-2ba2-4d8a-ceec6da010b9@cis-broadband.com>
	<CAKn+a3vsAWjc66nCaSkAVMkq3QxsbW4TVxbKPAnKt3mwn4oVeA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1562415912485-0.post@n2.nabble.com>

Why the ferrite core? Isn't that the source of the loss?



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From k4fj at aol.com  Sat Jul  6 11:56:43 2019
From: k4fj at aol.com (Steve, K4FJ)
Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2019 15:56:43 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] Keyboard compatible with P3/SVGA
References: <1692050120.3672930.1562428603129.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1692050120.3672930.1562428603129@mail.yahoo.com>

I am interested in using a keyboard with my P3/SVGA setup and have requested a list of compatible keyboards from Elecraft.? In the mean time I am interested in what others may be using.
Respond either to the list or to me directly -- k4fj at aol.com
Thanks,
Steve, K4FJ

From mike at ve3yf.com  Sat Jul  6 12:44:58 2019
From: mike at ve3yf.com (Mike VE3YF)
Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2019 16:44:58 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Digital Mode Problems
Message-ID: <d7d2746d-2164-797c-62fc-f81a894890cc@ve3yf.com>

I have recently updated my shack Windows 10 computer and now wanted to 
checkout FT8,I find that I am having one heck of a time getting FT8 to 
work properly..

I am Running Windows 10 v1903 (Build 18362.207), Microham MK2, K3S (5.66 
Firmware) and WSJT-X (v2.0.1)

When I put the Rig in Data A Mode which I have stored in M4, some real 
strange things are now happening. The Rig for some reason and this never 
happened before, the rig goes into USB Mode, and switches filter to FL1 
which is the 6Khz Filter, and switches the bandwidth to 3.0Khz. I have 
tried moving it to another Filter, but wants to default to FL1. I can 
Manually readjust the BW back to 4Khz and it stays.

And the saga continues, now the Microham MK2 thinks the rig is in Voice 
Mode, which it now is as verified by by pressing the Mic control the K3S 
which now shows Mic=4, and the Compression control now reads a number of 
15. So unless I am sadly mistaken the rig is no long in Data Mode which 
I believe is verified on the K3S front panel display by USB.

The rig works perfectly in SSB, CW, and RTTY Modes (Which I have stored 
in M1, M2 and M3), nothing has changed and they working just fine.

I have the MicroHam MK2 setup correctly as per Joes Instruction sheets, 
and as well the WSJT-X program.

But I am at a total loss as to what is going on.

I must confess that up until today I haven't used FT8 or any other 
Digital Mode since the VP6D DXpedition, so not sure when things got all 
haywire, and the only thing that has changed is my Windows Update to the 
new version.

Has anyone experienced this dilemma, as I don't have much hair on the 
top of the head so really nothing to pull out, any help or pointers etc 
would be greatly appreciated.

Tnx.

-- 

*73 De Mike*
*VE3YF

_/http://www.ve3yf.com/_*


From mike at ve3yf.com  Sat Jul  6 12:58:37 2019
From: mike at ve3yf.com (Mike VE3YF)
Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2019 16:58:37 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Digital Mode Problems
Message-ID: <33181624-c841-f65d-f43d-c0b98db5c2cd@ve3yf.com>

Sorry guys, I failed to mention everything is ok on the K3S when I press 
the M4 button (Digital Modes) is ok and I can receive FT8 Transmissions, 
it is when I press the tune button or a callsign on the FT8 Program that 
causes the K3S etc to go out of Data A mode and into Voice (USB Mode).

-- 

*73 De Mike*
*VE3YF

_/http://www.ve3yf.com/_*


From lists at subich.com  Sat Jul  6 13:11:57 2019
From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV)
Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2019 13:11:57 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Digital Mode Problems
In-Reply-To: <33181624-c841-f65d-f43d-c0b98db5c2cd@ve3yf.com>
References: <33181624-c841-f65d-f43d-c0b98db5c2cd@ve3yf.com>
Message-ID: <d310cad1-23e7-7183-b378-2aaf982ac400@subich.com>



Mike,

> it is when I press the tune button or a callsign on the FT8 Program
> that causes the K3S etc to go out of Data A mode and into Voice (USB
> Mode).

If you are using DATA (DATA_A) mode in the K3/K3s, make sure you have
set MODE = DATA/PKT in WSJT-X File -> Settings -> Radio -> Mode.  If
you set USB, WSJT-X will command the K3/K3S to change modes before it
switches into transmit.

73,

    ... Joe, W4TV


On 2019-07-06 12:58 PM, Mike VE3YF wrote:
> Sorry guys, I failed to mention everything is ok on the K3S when I press 
> the M4 button (Digital Modes) is ok and I can receive FT8 Transmissions, 
> it is when I press the tune button or a callsign on the FT8 Program that 
> causes the K3S etc to go out of Data A mode and into Voice (USB Mode).
> 

From KI4EZL at nc.rr.com  Sat Jul  6 13:14:22 2019
From: KI4EZL at nc.rr.com (KI4EZL)
Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2019 10:14:22 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 REC has stopped functioning.
Message-ID: <1562433262787-0.post@n2.nabble.com>

Hi,  K2  REC button will not let me change messages.   MSG button works fine. 
Radio seems fine.  Just cannot get in and change any of the messages.  I
wanted to update one button to work the 13 Colonies event.  

Any good ideas on what to look at?  

Thank you,
Steve - KI4EZL
 



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From mike at ve3yf.com  Sat Jul  6 14:03:15 2019
From: mike at ve3yf.com (Mike VE3YF)
Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2019 18:03:15 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Digital Mode Problems
In-Reply-To: <d310cad1-23e7-7183-b378-2aaf982ac400@subich.com>
References: <d310cad1-23e7-7183-b378-2aaf982ac400@subich.com>
Message-ID: <8053dd65-9c8e-143c-c85f-192018d98ba7@ve3yf.com>

Hi Joe:

Thanks for the info, that solved the problem of switching out of Data A 
Mode into Voice, that part is working great. I have verified that I am 
in Data A mode, and CMP control reads 0, Mic is reading Line 4, however 
when I press the Tune button on WSJT-X the rig keys up, but no power 
output. The rig's pwr is set for 27 watts, but no output on my external 
Power Meter and if I change the Mic Control to Line 60 from Line 4 I get 
power output but only to 3 bars max on the K3S ALC Meter and 27 watts on 
the external meter.

FWIW, I am using WSJT-X Soundcard Input - Line (microHAM CODEC) , and 
Soundcard Output - Headset Earphone (microHAM CODEC) and both are set to 
Left.

And in Windows I am using Headset Earphone (microHAM CODEC) in the 
Playback Panel, (Speakers is the Default device),? and Line (microHAM 
CODEC)? in the Recording Panel as Default. Both Levels are set to 75

-- 

*73 De Mike*
*VE3YF

_/http://www.ve3yf.com/_*


From drzarkof56 at yahoo.com  Sat Jul  6 14:07:53 2019
From: drzarkof56 at yahoo.com (Doug Millar)
Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2019 18:07:53 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 Problem
References: <1066630383.2404460.1562436473436.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1066630383.2404460.1562436473436@mail.yahoo.com>

I have a KPA500 with a low HV reading. It is on the center tap and AC voltage is 115v No load and 110v full load. The HV goes from 77v NL to 56v FL (500W output)????? Is that something I should look into???? Doug K6JEY


 

From kkinderen at gmail.com  Sat Jul  6 14:15:19 2019
From: kkinderen at gmail.com (Kevin, N4TT)
Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2019 14:15:19 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Digital Mode Problems
In-Reply-To: <8053dd65-9c8e-143c-c85f-192018d98ba7@ve3yf.com>
References: <d310cad1-23e7-7183-b378-2aaf982ac400@subich.com>
	<8053dd65-9c8e-143c-c85f-192018d98ba7@ve3yf.com>
Message-ID: <CAFA9ujs1KWOBCsYVKE+jobrGAEvEBX=q241+WE6Hz+nOFYEjzw@mail.gmail.com>

MIC 4 seems a little low but the fact you are eventually getting some ALC
when  you crank it up tells me that either WJST-X audio (labeled as Pwr) on
the right of the main screen or the Windows 10 audio (control panel ->
sound -> USB Audio CODEC Speakers (if using internal K3s sound card) is set
too low. Check each of these.

For reference, after some help here on the reflector, my setting s are
MIC=30, WSJT-X Pwr = -17.6 dB, Sound Playback = -17.8 dB. The numbers work
for me but you may have to adjust to get the 4+flash ALC.

73,
Kev N4TT

On Sat, Jul 6, 2019 at 2:05 PM Mike VE3YF <mike at ve3yf.com> wrote:

> Hi Joe:
>
> Thanks for the info, that solved the problem of switching out of Data A
> Mode into Voice, that part is working great. I have verified that I am
> in Data A mode, and CMP control reads 0, Mic is reading Line 4, however
> when I press the Tune button on WSJT-X the rig keys up, but no power
> output. The rig's pwr is set for 27 watts, but no output on my external
> Power Meter and if I change the Mic Control to Line 60 from Line 4 I get
> power output but only to 3 bars max on the K3S ALC Meter and 27 watts on
> the external meter.
>
> FWIW, I am using WSJT-X Soundcard Input - Line (microHAM CODEC) , and
> Soundcard Output - Headset Earphone (microHAM CODEC) and both are set to
> Left.
>
> And in Windows I am using Headset Earphone (microHAM CODEC) in the
> Playback Panel, (Speakers is the Default device),  and Line (microHAM
> CODEC)  in the Recording Panel as Default. Both Levels are set to 75
>
> --
>
> *73 De Mike*
> *VE3YF
>
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From mike at ve3yf.com  Sat Jul  6 14:31:44 2019
From: mike at ve3yf.com (Mike VE3YF)
Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2019 18:31:44 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Digital Mode Problems
In-Reply-To: <CAFA9ujs1KWOBCsYVKE+jobrGAEvEBX=q241+WE6Hz+nOFYEjzw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFA9ujs1KWOBCsYVKE+jobrGAEvEBX=q241+WE6Hz+nOFYEjzw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9fa84ad1-b43f-7475-9b9a-46edc72273dd@ve3yf.com>

Hi Kevin:

Thanks for the info. The WSJT-X Pwr Slider is at the top, and in the 
Windows Control Panel, there is no USB Audio Codec, however I am using a 
Soundblaster Z Card and it's level is set at 75.

I know that after doing the Windows 10 Update it messed around with all 
the sound stuff.

Under Playback Pane, I am left with Headset Earphone (Microham) Speakers 
(Soundblaster) and SPDIF-Out (Soundblaster)

Under Recording Pane, I am left with Line (Microham), and What U hear 
(Soundblaster)

Considering that WSJT-X Pwr is at the top (Full) and the Windows Audio 
setting are all at 75, I really don't have much room to play with, which 
is what concerns me.

-- 

*73 De Mike*
*VE3YF

_/http://www.ve3yf.com/_*


From k6xk at ncn.net  Sat Jul  6 14:43:48 2019
From: k6xk at ncn.net (Roy Koeppe)
Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2019 13:43:48 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 Problem
In-Reply-To: <1066630383.2404460.1562436473436@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1066630383.2404460.1562436473436.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<1066630383.2404460.1562436473436@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <8164FF1242824919BF6AE8D5CE19C4B1@ROYKOEPPEHP>

Could a rectifier diode have gone open (as in it's now a half-wave circuit)? 
If so the filter caps are at 60 Hz. Just a thought...

Roy    K6XK


I have a KPA500 with a low HV reading. It is on the center tap and AC 
voltage is 115v No load and 110v full load. The HV goes from 77v NL to 56v 
FL (500W output)      Is that something I should look into?    Doug K6JEY






From lists at subich.com  Sat Jul  6 14:52:49 2019
From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV)
Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2019 14:52:49 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Digital Mode Problems
In-Reply-To: <8053dd65-9c8e-143c-c85f-192018d98ba7@ve3yf.com>
References: <d310cad1-23e7-7183-b378-2aaf982ac400@subich.com>
	<8053dd65-9c8e-143c-c85f-192018d98ba7@ve3yf.com>
Message-ID: <cb7defb8-23a2-b9fa-bd1a-350ce8a8f9e4@subich.com>

Mike,

Where is the "PWR" slider set in WSJT-X?  The PWR slider is really the
audio output level and should be set to 100% *and left there* with the
K3/K3S.  The audio input should be adjusted with the Line IN control
(Mic Gain encoder) for four to five bars of ALC and the power output
adjusted with the PWR encoder.

In general. my K3 is set to Line 20, the Windows Sound Mixer for
"Headset Earphone (microHAM CODEC)" is set to 70% and the TX pot
on MK II or DK II are set between 12:00 and 3:00 as needed to get
four bars of ALC on the K3/K3S with the fifth bar just flickering.

> and Line (microHAM CODEC)  in the Recording Panel as Default. Both
> Levels are set to 75
Your Default Device (and Default Communications Device) in the Windows
Sound Control Panel -> Recording tab should be an input of the sound
card in your computer.  "microHAM CODEC" should *NEVER* be used as a
default device for either Playback (transmit) or Recording (receive).

Please refer to the "Configuring microHAM CODEC" and "Setting Audio
Levels" section of the DK II Users Manual.  Follow the "Setting Audio
Levels" procedure *exactly*.  Do not proceed from one step to the next
until you obtain the results called for in the procedure.

Note: the K3/K3S overloads the mic gain control (uses it for both
mic and line levels).  Line In can only be set when DATA_A or AFSK_A
is selected and MENU:MIC SEL=Line IN.


73,

    ... Joe, W4TV


On 2019-07-06 2:03 PM, Mike VE3YF wrote:
> Hi Joe:
> 
> Thanks for the info, that solved the problem of switching out of Data A 
> Mode into Voice, that part is working great. I have verified that I am 
> in Data A mode, and CMP control reads 0, Mic is reading Line 4, however 
> when I press the Tune button on WSJT-X the rig keys up, but no power 
> output. The rig's pwr is set for 27 watts, but no output on my external 
> Power Meter and if I change the Mic Control to Line 60 from Line 4 I get 
> power output but only to 3 bars max on the K3S ALC Meter and 27 watts on 
> the external meter.
> 
> FWIW, I am using WSJT-X Soundcard Input - Line (microHAM CODEC) , and 
> Soundcard Output - Headset Earphone (microHAM CODEC) and both are set to 
> Left.
> 
> And in Windows I am using Headset Earphone (microHAM CODEC) in the 
> Playback Panel, (Speakers is the Default device),? and Line (microHAM 
> CODEC)? in the Recording Panel as Default. Both Levels are set to 75
> 

From c-hawley at illinois.edu  Sat Jul  6 15:17:05 2019
From: c-hawley at illinois.edu (hawley, charles j jr)
Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2019 19:17:05 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 Problem
In-Reply-To: <8164FF1242824919BF6AE8D5CE19C4B1@ROYKOEPPEHP>
References: <1066630383.2404460.1562436473436.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<1066630383.2404460.1562436473436@mail.yahoo.com>,
	<8164FF1242824919BF6AE8D5CE19C4B1@ROYKOEPPEHP>
Message-ID: <C31F9BBE-0B38-412D-9216-9A42E1E0C607@illinois.edu>

Is that something new? I?m not too surprised running it on 115 and starting at 77. 
I?m on 240 dedicated circuit and starting at 82 v which loads to about 67v. I?m doubting that there is any hard fault.

Chuck Jack Hawley 
KE9UW

Sent from my iPhone, cjack 

> On Jul 6, 2019, at 1:44 PM, Roy Koeppe <k6xk at ncn.net> wrote:
> 
> Could a rectifier diode have gone open (as in it's now a half-wave circuit)? If so the filter caps are at 60 Hz. Just a thought...
> 
> Roy    K6XK
> 
> 
> I have a KPA500 with a low HV reading. It is on the center tap and AC voltage is 115v No load and 110v full load. The HV goes from 77v NL to 56v FL (500W output)      Is that something I should look into?    Doug K6JEY
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From mike at ve3yf.com  Sat Jul  6 15:20:15 2019
From: mike at ve3yf.com (Mike VE3YF)
Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2019 19:20:15 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Digital Mode Problems
In-Reply-To: <cb7defb8-23a2-b9fa-bd1a-350ce8a8f9e4@subich.com>
References: <cb7defb8-23a2-b9fa-bd1a-350ce8a8f9e4@subich.com>
Message-ID: <94a37b73-1615-9a60-d0b4-1981034a0cb5@ve3yf.com>

Hi Joe:

The PWR Slider in WSJT-X is at the top which is full power.

All Audio Levels in Windows 10 Control Panel are set at 75%.

The Line setting (Mic Gain) is now set at Line 60. That will give me 27w 
output on the K3S when I have it set for that power level, however I am 
not seeing 4 bars on the K3S ALC Meter, all I can get is 3 Bars with 
basically every audio level cranked up in the K3S and Windows 10.

The TX Pot on the MK2 is set at 12:00, I have moved the TX Pot to about 
14:30 position and with the K3S Line set at 20, I get 4 Bars steady and 
the 5th flickering on the ALC Meter.

I have changed the Default device under the Recording Pane in the 
Control Panel from Line (MicroHAM Codec) to What U Hear (Soundblaster as 
you suggested) and in the Playback Pane I have left Speakers 
(Soundblaster as the Default).

Basically I can see is I have changed the TX Audio Pot on the MK2 and it 
has solved my problem. I am not sure why things got messed up up it 
appears that things are back to what I would call normal. I will go 
inside and redo the the levels. I am not sure if I did that when i went 
from the K3 to the K3S, but will check it out.

Thanks very much Joe for taking the time to sort me out. You have a 
great 4th of July weekend.

-- 

*73 De Mike*
*VE3YF

_/http://www.ve3yf.com/_*


From llachow at gmail.com  Sat Jul  6 16:34:36 2019
From: llachow at gmail.com (LL)
Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2019 16:34:36 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K1 retrofit backlight mod
Message-ID: <CAGx7+ZRihx9-Px07KfjgAsSkOradEag0mjnW+_8Bza1_PfxBGA@mail.gmail.com>

The backlight mod on the Elecraft site says that it's for unbuilt kits. Can
it be added to a built kit? If not, is there a mod for that, somewhere...?

From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Sat Jul  6 16:34:47 2019
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2019 15:34:47 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Digital Mode Problems
In-Reply-To: <94a37b73-1615-9a60-d0b4-1981034a0cb5@ve3yf.com>
References: <cb7defb8-23a2-b9fa-bd1a-350ce8a8f9e4@subich.com>
	<94a37b73-1615-9a60-d0b4-1981034a0cb5@ve3yf.com>
Message-ID: <82F40A67-7D50-4561-9A3C-1E9E90FAB76D@blomand.net>

I would remove Microham and connect the USB cable directly from the radio to the computer.   Then set the audio CODEC as found under the Setup menu of WSJT-X. 

The SPKR level on the computer should be about 30%,  the PWR slider on WSJT about 50% and the K3S Line Gain at 25 to 30.   This should give 4 bars indicated on the ALC scale.  The actual power is controlled by the PWR setting on the radio. 

All the above values works here as it should. 

Bob, K4TAX


Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 6, 2019, at 2:20 PM, Mike VE3YF <mike at ve3yf.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Joe:
> 
> The PWR Slider in WSJT-X is at the top which is full power.
> 
> All Audio Levels in Windows 10 Control Panel are set at 75%.
> 
> The Line setting (Mic Gain) is now set at Line 60. That will give me 27w output on the K3S when I have it set for that power level, however I am not seeing 4 bars on the K3S ALC Meter, all I can get is 3 Bars with basically every audio level cranked up in the K3S and Windows 10.
> 
> The TX Pot on the MK2 is set at 12:00, I have moved the TX Pot to about 14:30 position and with the K3S Line set at 20, I get 4 Bars steady and the 5th flickering on the ALC Meter.
> 
> I have changed the Default device under the Recording Pane in the Control Panel from Line (MicroHAM Codec) to What U Hear (Soundblaster as you suggested) and in the Playback Pane I have left Speakers (Soundblaster as the Default).
> 
> Basically I can see is I have changed the TX Audio Pot on the MK2 and it has solved my problem. I am not sure why things got messed up up it appears that things are back to what I would call normal. I will go inside and redo the the levels. I am not sure if I did that when i went from the K3 to the K3S, but will check it out.
> 
> Thanks very much Joe for taking the time to sort me out. You have a great 4th of July weekend.
> 
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From hbjr at optilink.us  Sat Jul  6 16:48:00 2019
From: hbjr at optilink.us (hbjr at optilink.us)
Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2019 16:48:00 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Follow up on "Digital modes on 144MHz only"
In-Reply-To: <4ab4aa20-ab9c-d3be-5249-5a0e219090b7@necg.de>
References: <AM0PR03MB5538E8CD2EB90E5293F49ED99DF50@AM0PR03MB5538.eurprd03.prod.outlook.com>
	<4ab4aa20-ab9c-d3be-5249-5a0e219090b7@necg.de>
Message-ID: <01c901d5343c$1987a5e0$4c96f1a0$@optilink.us>

I find running the fans helps some for extended operation.

Hank
K4HYJ

-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On Behalf Of Oliver Dr?se
Sent: Friday, July 5, 2019 6:37 PM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Follow up on "Digital modes on 144MHz only"

Hi Kjeld,

I'm using the internal K144XV in one my K3s. It's very sensitive and stable (using the REFLOCK board, too), so no problem on that. BUT: the cooling design is just terrible! :-( It's all passive relying on the side plate of the transceiver to dissipate the heat. While this works ok-ish on SSB it's a nightmare on CW and especially digimodes! Heat does not get dissipated fast enough so the whole transverter heats up quite fast which results in a serious power drop, in my case from 10 watts down to about 5-6 watts! :-( That means instead of 1 kW output it's just
5-600 W after about 10 minutes of operation with my PA behind. :-(

I had a second K144XV and behaviour was the same. Same is true for a third one at a friend of mine so I assume this is a general design flaw. :-(

I can only second Conrad's, PA5Y, suggestion concerning the HA1YA transverter. Very good performance and reasonably priced compared to the Kuhne stuff (which is probably even a tad better). Using the PRO models myself on 4 & 2 m.

@Wayne:
If you're reading this please make sure the planned 144/430 MHz module in the K4 will work much better! Serious DX on VHF is almost all digital nowadays and the internal transverter needs to handle that ...

73, Olli - DH8BQA

Contest, DX & radio projects: https://www.dh8bqa.de/


Am 05.07.2019 um 20:34 schrieb Kjeld Holm:
> Thanks to all who replied to my mail (see below) but allow me to ask:
>
> Anyone using Elecraft XV144 or K144XV or HG 144-K for digital modes?
>
> Any comments on these being better or worse than other brands?
>
> Vy 73 de OZ1CCM, Kjeld
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Kjeld Holm
> Sent: 4. juli 2019 20:31
> To: Elecraft Reflector
> Subject: [Elecraft] Digital modes on 144MHz only
>
> Digital modes on 144MHz only
>
> I plan for a second station to use for digital modes on 144MHz only. 
> If you look at performance only (no price, no ergonomics, no use 
> outside digital modes on 144MHz) what would you prefer
>
> 1)   K3/K3S with internal transverter
> 2)   IC-9700
>
> In both cases I plan to use a 1kW amplifier.
>
> Vy 73 de OZ1CCM, Kjeld
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From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Sat Jul  6 18:53:29 2019
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2019 18:53:29 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K1 retrofit backlight mod
In-Reply-To: <CAGx7+ZRihx9-Px07KfjgAsSkOradEag0mjnW+_8Bza1_PfxBGA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGx7+ZRihx9-Px07KfjgAsSkOradEag0mjnW+_8Bza1_PfxBGA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e43bffc3-acbe-90c7-5325-5fa1adc4fe95@embarqmail.com>

Lloyd,

The kit for built K1s included the LCD p/n E600015, for unbuilt K1s it 
was not included.

In order to install the backlight the LCD must be removed and will most 
likely be destroyed in the process.  The easiest way to remove it is to 
cut the pins close to the LCD body and then remove them one at a time.

Before doing anything, check with the Elecraft sales office to be 
certain both the p/n E600015 and the backlight kit for an unbuilt K1 are 
available.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 7/6/2019 4:34 PM, LL wrote:
> The backlight mod on the Elecraft site says that it's for unbuilt kits. Can
> it be added to a built kit? If not, is there a mod for that, somewhere...?

From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Sat Jul  6 19:13:26 2019
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2019 19:13:26 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 REC has stopped functioning.
In-Reply-To: <1562433262787-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1562433262787-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <a924a8c1-8431-8f96-53a4-6ede31f57772@embarqmail.com>

Steve,

DVR or CW and digital modes?
If CW or digital, use K3 Utility to edit the messages with the keyboard.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 7/6/2019 1:14 PM, KI4EZL wrote:
> Hi,  K2  REC button will not let me change messages.   MSG button works fine.
> Radio seems fine.  Just cannot get in and change any of the messages.  I
> wanted to update one button to work the 13 Colonies event.
> 
> Any good ideas on what to look at?
> 
> Thank you,
> Steve - KI4EZL
>   
> 
> 
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From nr4c at widomaker.com  Sat Jul  6 20:02:47 2019
From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c)
Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2019 20:02:47 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Digital Mode Problems
In-Reply-To: <d7d2746d-2164-797c-62fc-f81a894890cc@ve3yf.com>
References: <d7d2746d-2164-797c-62fc-f81a894890cc@ve3yf.com>
Message-ID: <CEC3E32A-FB2B-4516-957E-BE01DB5818BE@widomaker.com>

Well I have it working. I do not use a Microham. 

I use the USB cable that came with my K3S. Setup software with com port data and make sure radio RE-232 is set to USB, and it works. Not sure what all the Microham does for you. 

Oh by the way, wsjt-x will set the mode and frequency on the radio.  No need for macros to set this up. 

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill


> On Jul 6, 2019, at 12:44 PM, Mike VE3YF <mike at ve3yf.com> wrote:
> 
> I have recently updated my shack Windows 10 computer and now wanted to checkout FT8,I find that I am having one heck of a time getting FT8 to work properly..
> 
> I am Running Windows 10 v1903 (Build 18362.207), Microham MK2, K3S (5.66 Firmware) and WSJT-X (v2.0.1)
> 
> When I put the Rig in Data A Mode which I have stored in M4, some real strange things are now happening. The Rig for some reason and this never happened before, the rig goes into USB Mode, and switches filter to FL1 which is the 6Khz Filter, and switches the bandwidth to 3.0Khz. I have tried moving it to another Filter, but wants to default to FL1. I can Manually readjust the BW back to 4Khz and it stays.
> 
> And the saga continues, now the Microham MK2 thinks the rig is in Voice Mode, which it now is as verified by by pressing the Mic control the K3S which now shows Mic=4, and the Compression control now reads a number of 15. So unless I am sadly mistaken the rig is no long in Data Mode which I believe is verified on the K3S front panel display by USB.
> 
> The rig works perfectly in SSB, CW, and RTTY Modes (Which I have stored in M1, M2 and M3), nothing has changed and they working just fine.
> 
> I have the MicroHam MK2 setup correctly as per Joes Instruction sheets, and as well the WSJT-X program.
> 
> But I am at a total loss as to what is going on.
> 
> I must confess that up until today I haven't used FT8 or any other Digital Mode since the VP6D DXpedition, so not sure when things got all haywire, and the only thing that has changed is my Windows Update to the new version.
> 
> Has anyone experienced this dilemma, as I don't have much hair on the top of the head so really nothing to pull out, any help or pointers etc would be greatly appreciated.
> 
> Tnx.
> 
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From w6png at yahoo.com  Sat Jul  6 20:22:43 2019
From: w6png at yahoo.com (Paul Gacek)
Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2019 17:22:43 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Does the KX2 have Squelch?
Message-ID: <BB7B74C0-B9D8-43F3-8216-0CEB835DAA6B@yahoo.com>

I?m trying to get an XV144 working for possible SOTA usage.

As I might be operating FM and/or SSB I?ve been searching for squelch control on the KX2 but without luck. Does it support squelch?  

Paul
W6PNG/M0SNA 
www.nomadic.blog

From netbsd21 at gmail.com  Sat Jul  6 20:37:46 2019
From: netbsd21 at gmail.com (Scott)
Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2019 19:37:46 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Keyboard compatible with P3/SVGA
In-Reply-To: <1692050120.3672930.1562428603129@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1692050120.3672930.1562428603129.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<1692050120.3672930.1562428603129@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4c40d066-179d-4218-d87c-e34a748d2b5a@gmail.com>

I have installed the Logitech K780 w/3 Unifying receivers.  I had to 
come up with two more unifying receivers (very small USB unifying 
receiver dongles) as the keyboard only comes with one in the box. 
Amazon or Logitech sells them.  Best Buy did NOT.  One dongle for the 
computer and one each for the Elecraft radios.  This setup allows me to 
control the shack computer and two radios.  It  eliminates a USB switch 
and 4 USB cables behind the "wireless" operating station.  The keyboard 
has three white keys at the top left for selecting the device you 
want... radio or computer.  It's a little tricky setting it up and you 
MUST use the Logitech Unifying Receiver software to set it up.  Not sure 
if there is any Apple s/w for this keyboard.  IMHO, the documentation on 
how to do all this is not very good.  The On/Off power switch for the 
keyboard in on the right edge towards the front of the keyboard.  Took 
me a while to find it since there wasn't any useful documentation as to 
exactly where it was on the keyboard and the power has to be cycled to 
get the keyboard paired with additional unifying receivers.  Bottom 
line:  works great once it's all set up.

Thanks for the recommendation Jack.

73
Scott
AD5HS


On 7/6/2019 10:56 AM, Steve, K4FJ via Elecraft wrote:
> I am interested in using a keyboard with my P3/SVGA setup and have requested a list of compatible keyboards from Elecraft.? In the mean time I am interested in what others may be using.
> Respond either to the list or to me directly -- k4fj at aol.com
> Thanks,
> Steve, K4FJ
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From joberreu-elecraft at moselle.com  Sat Jul  6 21:20:33 2019
From: joberreu-elecraft at moselle.com (Jessie Oberreuter)
Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2019 18:20:33 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Elecraft] K1 retrofit backlight mod
In-Reply-To: <e43bffc3-acbe-90c7-5325-5fa1adc4fe95@embarqmail.com>
References: <CAGx7+ZRihx9-Px07KfjgAsSkOradEag0mjnW+_8Bza1_PfxBGA@mail.gmail.com>
	<e43bffc3-acbe-90c7-5325-5fa1adc4fe95@embarqmail.com>
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      If not, you might still be able to source the relevant parts.  I made 
mine before the official kit existed by ordering parts from Mouser.  Mine 
has a red backlight instead of the Elecraft green :).  -kb7psg

On Sat, 6 Jul 2019, Don Wilhelm wrote:

> Lloyd,
>
> The kit for built K1s included the LCD p/n E600015, for unbuilt K1s it was 
> not included.
>
> In order to install the backlight the LCD must be removed and will most 
> likely be destroyed in the process.  The easiest way to remove it is to cut 
> the pins close to the LCD body and then remove them one at a time.
>
> Before doing anything, check with the Elecraft sales office to be certain 
> both the p/n E600015 and the backlight kit for an unbuilt K1 are available.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 7/6/2019 4:34 PM, LL wrote:
>> The backlight mod on the Elecraft site says that it's for unbuilt kits. Can
>> it be added to a built kit? If not, is there a mod for that, somewhere...?
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From jackbrindle at me.com  Sat Jul  6 21:23:25 2019
From: jackbrindle at me.com (Jack Brindle)
Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2019 18:23:25 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Keyboard compatible with P3/SVGA
In-Reply-To: <4c40d066-179d-4218-d87c-e34a748d2b5a@gmail.com>
References: <1692050120.3672930.1562428603129.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<1692050120.3672930.1562428603129@mail.yahoo.com>
	<4c40d066-179d-4218-d87c-e34a748d2b5a@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4CE9E5A0-EFB4-4A74-8076-C673A27E6982@me.com>

I can attest that yes there is indeed Mac version of Logitech Options software. And I agree that the picture-based docs are not great. 
The Unifying receivers must be paired on the computer to one of the three keyboard selector buttons, then removed and plugged into the back of the P3. I also have a K780, I have the #1 button set to select the left P3, the #2 button selects the Mac, and #3 selects the right P3. 

Note that you need to use a keyboard that is compatible with the Unifying receiver and not only USB. There are other Logitech keyboards that are compatible.
If anyone has a question or needs help, just ask.

And, for the record, I do work for Logitech. In fact Options/Mac is one of my products?

73!
Jack, W6FB


> On Jul 6, 2019, at 5:37 PM, Scott <netbsd21 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I have installed the Logitech K780 w/3 Unifying receivers.  I had to come up with two more unifying receivers (very small USB unifying receiver dongles) as the keyboard only comes with one in the box. Amazon or Logitech sells them.  Best Buy did NOT.  One dongle for the computer and one each for the Elecraft radios.  This setup allows me to control the shack computer and two radios.  It  eliminates a USB switch and 4 USB cables behind the "wireless" operating station.  The keyboard has three white keys at the top left for selecting the device you want... radio or computer.  It's a little tricky setting it up and you MUST use the Logitech Unifying Receiver software to set it up.  Not sure if there is any Apple s/w for this keyboard.  IMHO, the documentation on how to do all this is not very good.  The On/Off power switch for the keyboard in on the right edge towards the front of the keyboard.  Took me a while to find it since there wasn't any useful documentation as to exactly where it was on the keyboard and the power has to be cycled to get the keyboard paired with additional unifying receivers.  Bottom line:  works great once it's all set up.
> 
> Thanks for the recommendation Jack.
> 
> 73
> Scott
> AD5HS
> 
> 
> On 7/6/2019 10:56 AM, Steve, K4FJ via Elecraft wrote:
>> I am interested in using a keyboard with my P3/SVGA setup and have requested a list of compatible keyboards from Elecraft.  In the mean time I am interested in what others may be using.
>> Respond either to the list or to me directly -- k4fj at aol.com
>> Thanks,
>> Steve, K4FJ
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From xdavid at cis-broadband.com  Sat Jul  6 21:30:13 2019
From: xdavid at cis-broadband.com (David Gilbert)
Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2019 18:30:13 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K1 retrofit backlight mod
In-Reply-To: <e43bffc3-acbe-90c7-5325-5fa1adc4fe95@embarqmail.com>
References: <CAGx7+ZRihx9-Px07KfjgAsSkOradEag0mjnW+_8Bza1_PfxBGA@mail.gmail.com>
	<e43bffc3-acbe-90c7-5325-5fa1adc4fe95@embarqmail.com>
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Before a backlight kit was ever available for the K1 from Elecraft, I 
built my own and was able to position it at the side of the LCD without 
tearing everything apart.? I used a single white LED, and if I remember 
correctly I filed the face of the LED plastic body to make the light 
scatter better.? I used a FET connected as a series current limiter to 
give a few milliamps of current, and picked up a switched 12 volt from 
somewhere on the circuit board.? It works fine.

Dave?? AB7E



On 7/6/2019 3:53 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
> Lloyd,
>
> The kit for built K1s included the LCD p/n E600015, for unbuilt K1s it 
> was not included.
>
> In order to install the backlight the LCD must be removed and will 
> most likely be destroyed in the process.? The easiest way to remove it 
> is to cut the pins close to the LCD body and then remove them one at a 
> time.
>
> Before doing anything, check with the Elecraft sales office to be 
> certain both the p/n E600015 and the backlight kit for an unbuilt K1 
> are available.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 7/6/2019 4:34 PM, LL wrote:
>> The backlight mod on the Elecraft site says that it's for unbuilt 
>> kits. Can
>> it be added to a built kit? If not, is there a mod for that, 
>> somewhere...?
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From va3mw at portcredit.net  Sat Jul  6 23:07:24 2019
From: va3mw at portcredit.net (Michael Walker)
Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2019 23:07:24 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Does the KX2 have Squelch?
In-Reply-To: <BB7B74C0-B9D8-43F3-8216-0CEB835DAA6B@yahoo.com>
References: <BB7B74C0-B9D8-43F3-8216-0CEB835DAA6B@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CA+33ts5x_ApvT6L-HQagNtfMqrOVSFv1509SqbEMV4D+Bq_ZCg@mail.gmail.com>

You have to be at the following revision:


  Rev. A6-2, 15 December, 2017 Copyright ? 2017, Elecraft, Inc. All Rights
Reserved

FM Mode FM Mode

This added mode is intended primarily for use on the 10 meter band, and
repeater as well as simplex
operations are supported. External transverters may also be used (see KX2
Owner's Manual for set up).

- To enable or disable FM mode's availability, use MENU:FM MODE. VFO A
controls FM on/off. If FM mode is
enabled, it is available on all bands.

FM mode must be selected in order to use the controls shown below.
- To adjust squelch, tap FIL and rotate the AF GAIN knob.
- To adjust transmit offset frequency (repeater shift or split), use
MENU:RPT OFS and VFO A. Offset values can
be set at 20 KHz increments.
- To select transmit frequency offset direction, hold SPLIT. The transmit
offset direction (+/-/SIMPLEX) will be
shown on the VFO B display, alongside the transmit offset value. Successive
holds of SPLIT will rotate
through the three offset directions.
- Transmit offset and direction are remembered on a per-band basis. Saving
an FM mode memory stores
both.
- FM deviation may be changed with MENU:FM DEV. Use VFO A to set it. You
might have to unlock this
setting in order to change it. Hold the FREQ button down for 3 seconds to
clear lock status.
- PL (CTCSS) tone deviation may be adjusted from within MENU:FM DEV. While
in this menu, tap '1' to select
PL deviation. It can then be changed by rotating VFO A.
- PL tone frequency may be adjusted using MENU:FM TONE. Tapping '1' turns
PL tone on or off. If PL tone is
turned on, rotating VFO A changes its frequency.
- 1750 Hz tone burst is not supported at this time.

Mike va3mw

On Sat, Jul 6, 2019 at 8:23 PM Paul Gacek via Elecraft <
elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:

> I?m trying to get an XV144 working for possible SOTA usage.
>
> As I might be operating FM and/or SSB I?ve been searching for squelch
> control on the KX2 but without luck. Does it support squelch?
>
> Paul
> W6PNG/M0SNA
> www.nomadic.blog
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From kevinr at coho.net  Sun Jul  7 02:09:38 2019
From: kevinr at coho.net (kevinr)
Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2019 23:09:38 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Announcement
Message-ID: <383d9e34-0a0d-8442-719e-e812db431221@coho.net>

Good Evening,

 ?? The sun almost developed a spot this week.? Its polarity was for the 
next cycle.? The solar flux index has been under 70 for quite some 
time.? But, like fishing, you just have to wait; and keep casting.

 ?? Weather remains unchanged from last week, cool and wet with a few 
minutes of sun each day.? Spring takes a long time to finish around 
here.? Even though the bracken fern are over nine feet tall they still 
haven't finished unrolling.? They like this weather. The loggers do too, 
fire danger is much lower.


Please join us on:

14050 kHz at 2200z Sunday (3 PM PDT Sunday)
 ?7047 kHz at 0000z Monday (5 PM PDT Sunday)

73,
Kevin. KD5ONS


_


From w6png at yahoo.com  Sun Jul  7 06:32:23 2019
From: w6png at yahoo.com (Paul Gacek)
Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2019 03:32:23 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Does the KX2 have Squelch?
In-Reply-To: <CA+33ts5x_ApvT6L-HQagNtfMqrOVSFv1509SqbEMV4D+Bq_ZCg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BB7B74C0-B9D8-43F3-8216-0CEB835DAA6B@yahoo.com>
	<CA+33ts5x_ApvT6L-HQagNtfMqrOVSFv1509SqbEMV4D+Bq_ZCg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B00E26B3-59AD-46E4-9193-5E2A8A234855@yahoo.com>

Thanks Mike and I have Squelch working.

Paul

> On Jul 6, 2019, at 8:07 PM, Michael Walker <va3mw at portcredit.net> wrote:
> 
> You have to be at the following revision:
> 
> 
>   Rev. A6-2, 15 December, 2017 Copyright ? 2017, Elecraft, Inc. All Rights Reserved   
> 
> FM Mode FM Mode
> 
> This added mode is intended primarily for use on the 10 meter band, and repeater as well as simplex
> operations are supported. External transverters may also be used (see KX2 Owner's Manual for set up).
> 
> - To enable or disable FM mode's availability, use MENU:FM MODE. VFO A controls FM on/off. If FM mode is
> enabled, it is available on all bands.
> 
> FM mode must be selected in order to use the controls shown below.
> - To adjust squelch, tap FIL and rotate the AF GAIN knob.
> - To adjust transmit offset frequency (repeater shift or split), use MENU:RPT OFS and VFO A. Offset values can
> be set at 20 KHz increments.
> - To select transmit frequency offset direction, hold SPLIT. The transmit offset direction (+/-/SIMPLEX) will be
> shown on the VFO B display, alongside the transmit offset value. Successive holds of SPLIT will rotate
> through the three offset directions.
> - Transmit offset and direction are remembered on a per-band basis. Saving an FM mode memory stores
> both.
> - FM deviation may be changed with MENU:FM DEV. Use VFO A to set it. You might have to unlock this
> setting in order to change it. Hold the FREQ button down for 3 seconds to clear lock status.
> - PL (CTCSS) tone deviation may be adjusted from within MENU:FM DEV. While in this menu, tap '1' to select
> PL deviation. It can then be changed by rotating VFO A.
> - PL tone frequency may be adjusted using MENU:FM TONE. Tapping '1' turns PL tone on or off. If PL tone is
> turned on, rotating VFO A changes its frequency.
> - 1750 Hz tone burst is not supported at this time.
> 
> Mike va3mw
> 
>> On Sat, Jul 6, 2019 at 8:23 PM Paul Gacek via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
>> I?m trying to get an XV144 working for possible SOTA usage.
>> 
>> As I might be operating FM and/or SSB I?ve been searching for squelch control on the KX2 but without luck. Does it support squelch?  
>> 
>> Paul
>> W6PNG/M0SNA 
>> www.nomadic.blog
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From MarkMu.Boeing747 at Yahoo.com  Sun Jul  7 07:20:12 2019
From: MarkMu.Boeing747 at Yahoo.com (Mark Murray)
Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2019 07:20:12 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 Problem
Message-ID: <000001d534b5$f2325f10$d6971d30$@Yahoo.com>

For Doug, K6JEY:

In answer to your original question, as to whether you should look into
the KPA500's low voltage values:     Yes.

By far, the best advice and the best answers on this particular question
will come from emailing Support at Elecraft.com .  By far.  

Once the voltage questions are addressed and things are back on track,
please keep the rest of us in mind and send a follow-up summary to the
list.  Looking forward to a speedy recovery : )

// Mark  w2or


From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Sun Jul  7 08:01:42 2019
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2019 07:01:42 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 Problem
In-Reply-To: <000001d534b5$f2325f10$d6971d30$@Yahoo.com>
References: <000001d534b5$f2325f10$d6971d30$@Yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <74d6dda4-6bce-3b8a-9ea0-a7c9e49f1f36@blomand.net>

I did look at the parameters of my KPA500 this morning.? In STBY the HV 
is 75.4 and in OPER at 500 watts out, CW mode, key closed the HV is 63.7 
and current is 10.5 amps.?? Amp is operated from a 240 volt source.

73

Bob, K4TAX


On 7/7/2019 6:20 AM, Mark Murray via Elecraft wrote:
> For Doug, K6JEY:
>
> In answer to your original question, as to whether you should look into
> the KPA500's low voltage values:     Yes.
>
> By far, the best advice and the best answers on this particular question
> will come from emailing Support at Elecraft.com .  By far.
>
> Once the voltage questions are addressed and things are back on track,
> please keep the rest of us in mind and send a follow-up summary to the
> list.  Looking forward to a speedy recovery : )
>
> // Mark  w2or
>
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From a.durbin at msn.com  Sun Jul  7 08:52:19 2019
From: a.durbin at msn.com (Andy Durbin)
Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2019 12:52:19 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 Problem
Message-ID: <BYAPR16MB2968D14BF642B0FCDDCAA2BC8CF40@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>

"I have a KPA500 with a low HV reading. It is on the center tap and AC voltage is 115v No load and 110v full load. The HV goes from 77v NL to 56v FL (500W output)      Is that something I should look into? "

The KPA500 high voltage (nominal 60 volt) power supply is unregulated. The mains power input to the KPA500 is probably poorly regulated.   The voltage drop you will see on the mains input and the KPA500 60 volt supply is directly dependent on the PA current and you don't say what that was.

The fact that you have 500W output at 56 V does not define the PA current.  PA current, PA dissipation, and PA efficiency, are strongly dependent on the load presented by the antenna system.

My limited experience with the KPA500 suggests that you should:
      Attempt to minimize voltage drop in the mains feed
      Present the KPA500 with a load as close to R50 j0 as possible
      Keep PA voltage above 60 volts for all operating conditions
      Avoid nuisance high voltage warnings

How close you come to meeting those goals is partly dependent on the variation in the unloaded voltage at the mains outlet that you are using. (Summer HVAC use causes several volts variation at my nominal 120 V outlet even though the street transformer is less than 50 ft from my KPA500).   

Some data for my station:
Mains voltage is now 123.0 V and my KPA PA voltage is 81.5.   A TX into a  dummy load (R 51 X 0.4) at 14.074 MHz showed mains voltage 117.8,  RF out 487 W, PA V/I 62.6 V / 14.0 A, PA Diss 389 W, efficiency 55%.

My mains drop of 5 V matches yours.  My PA voltage drop of 18.9 V  is lower than your drop of 21 V and I would expect the difference to be explained by a difference in PA current.

73,
Andy, k3wyc

From softblue at windstream.net  Sun Jul  7 10:16:13 2019
From: softblue at windstream.net (Dick Dickinson)
Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2019 10:16:13 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: K4/K4D antenna ports.
Message-ID: <000301d534ce$88ce33a0$9a6a9ae0$@windstream.net>

I'm not always the best at reading between the lines.  With and without the
internal antenna tuner, how many ports are available for Transmit?

 

 

As ever,

Dick - KA5KKT

 

Nr4c < <http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft> nr4c at
widomaker.com> wrote:

 

 

>> How many ports does a K4D have without the ATU. 

 

1 main antenna jack and 2 receive antenna inputs.

 

 

>> 

>> I know the K4 only has one I think the ATU ads 2 more for total of three.


 

Yes. Also, any one of the ATU antenna jacks can be designated as a third
receive antenna input (for either receiver).

 

 

>> But K4D must have two ports for separate antennas for Diversity, right?

 

Yes, RX ANT1 and RX ANT2. The latter is also labeled XVTR IN, and can be
used with transverters.

 

73,

Wayne

N6KR

 


From jsdanehy at gmail.com  Sun Jul  7 11:10:33 2019
From: jsdanehy at gmail.com (Jim Danehy)
Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2019 11:10:33 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 Display
Message-ID: <CA+Dor2Pj-Kz26aO6dif+LYU_OZPrMqiGrpMit=aD4C8Cig9MNA@mail.gmail.com>

I have owned my KX2 for some time now. I am now just now getting it on the
air. I have a problem that I can not resolve. I have spent a few hours
attempting to do that.

When I try to bring up the DISPLAY function it does not work. The same
button when held does work. Just the DISPLAY does not respond as it is
supposed to do.

Any help or suggestions would be appreciated.

73
Jim W9VNE

From n6kr at elecraft.com  Sun Jul  7 11:53:55 2019
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2019 08:53:55 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: K4/K4D antenna ports.
In-Reply-To: <000301d534ce$88ce33a0$9a6a9ae0$@windstream.net>
References: <000301d534ce$88ce33a0$9a6a9ae0$@windstream.net>
Message-ID: <118F4B11-6648-4354-9DEE-BB0A2636D256@elecraft.com>

3 with, 1 without. 

Wayne

----
elecraft.com

> On Jul 7, 2019, at 7:16 AM, Dick Dickinson <softblue at windstream.net> wrote:
> 
> I'm not always the best at reading between the lines.  With and without the
> internal antenna tuner, how many ports are available for Transmit?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> As ever,
> 
> Dick - KA5KKT
> 
> 
> 
> Nr4c < <http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft> nr4c at
> widomaker.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>>> How many ports does a K4D have without the ATU. 
> 
> 
> 
> 1 main antenna jack and 2 receive antenna inputs.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>>> 
> 
>>> I know the K4 only has one I think the ATU ads 2 more for total of three.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Yes. Also, any one of the ATU antenna jacks can be designated as a third
> receive antenna input (for either receiver).
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>>> But K4D must have two ports for separate antennas for Diversity, right?
> 
> 
> 
> Yes, RX ANT1 and RX ANT2. The latter is also labeled XVTR IN, and can be
> used with transverters.
> 
> 
> 
> 73,
> 
> Wayne
> 
> N6KR
> 
> 
> 
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From KI4EZL at nc.rr.com  Sun Jul  7 12:20:56 2019
From: KI4EZL at nc.rr.com (Steves_Mini)
Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2019 12:20:56 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 REC/MEM is OK, I was the problem.
Message-ID: <F5823E2C-4E1E-47DF-8B8E-08502B330F2C@nc.rr.com>

I have been using my cootie so long that I forgot it was a cootie.  I have a Bengali paddle that I jumped to make it a cootie to use on my K2.  I had changed the menu setting to hand.  Well, when I tried to update my memory in button #6 for use with the 13 Colonies event, my radio was ignoring me.  Would not let me change anything, but it would play what was there already.  I wanted to put in just my Call.  After much effort in trying to figure this out, I went to the manual, found that it must be a paddle only, and it came to me that I was using my paddle as a cootie all this time, and just forgot it was not a paddle.  I removed the jumper, changed the menu from hand to paddle, and tried it again.  All was fine.  Radio likes me again :-)   Bottom line is?. for me to make sure I am using a paddle when trying to change K2 Memories.  73,  Steve - KI4EZL

From rzachry at gmail.com  Sun Jul  7 14:27:03 2019
From: rzachry at gmail.com (Ryan)
Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2019 11:27:03 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 PLL reference oscillator problems (DAC side!)
In-Reply-To: <a37a7ef4-b254-c9e8-e1c9-c6ec74429042@embarqmail.com>
References: <712213d0-0eb7-41f8-84b5-38e49a370ff1@www.fastmail.com>
	<16adb608140.2852.96e80410205cf590e45b6250d389e5fb@w8fgu.com>
	<038c4350-e4b6-4d11-8a8c-631c17b5acc2@www.fastmail.com>
	<908c354e-36a6-7fa2-903d-ede9f29443b5@embarqmail.com>
	<dbd54b08-e953-469a-997c-cc43b67a5d32@www.fastmail.com>
	<5bcb34cf-4e21-4030-8b51-4bdcad45ad46@www.fastmail.com>
	<a37a7ef4-b254-c9e8-e1c9-c6ec74429042@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <1562524023370-0.post@n2.nabble.com>

My K2 was having this same issue with the PLL test. I replaced the Q19 J310
with one on hand and it fixed it. Should I replace all the J310 in my kit,
and option kits, or are the sub-par J310 only a problem in the PLL circuit?



--
Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/

From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Sun Jul  7 14:43:35 2019
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2019 14:43:35 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 PLL reference oscillator problems (DAC side!)
In-Reply-To: <1562524023370-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <712213d0-0eb7-41f8-84b5-38e49a370ff1@www.fastmail.com>
	<16adb608140.2852.96e80410205cf590e45b6250d389e5fb@w8fgu.com>
	<038c4350-e4b6-4d11-8a8c-631c17b5acc2@www.fastmail.com>
	<908c354e-36a6-7fa2-903d-ede9f29443b5@embarqmail.com>
	<dbd54b08-e953-469a-997c-cc43b67a5d32@www.fastmail.com>
	<5bcb34cf-4e21-4030-8b51-4bdcad45ad46@www.fastmail.com>
	<a37a7ef4-b254-c9e8-e1c9-c6ec74429042@embarqmail.com>
	<1562524023370-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <6cef055d-25d0-abf3-e5ae-8ef7478bf8ed@embarqmail.com>

Ryan,

Those sub-par J310s should work in all other circuits in the K2.
The only other possible exception is Q18, but if you can successfully 
run CAL PLL, then all should be OK at Q18 as well.

The problem J310s at Elecraft was resolved early this year and the 
incidences of this problem should be diminishing soon.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 7/7/2019 2:27 PM, Ryan wrote:
> My K2 was having this same issue with the PLL test. I replaced the Q19 J310
> with one on hand and it fixed it. Should I replace all the J310 in my kit,
> and option kits, or are the sub-par J310 only a problem in the PLL circuit?
> 

From nr4c at widomaker.com  Sun Jul  7 16:42:50 2019
From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c)
Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2019 16:42:50 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: K4/K4D antenna ports.
In-Reply-To: <000301d534ce$88ce33a0$9a6a9ae0$@windstream.net>
References: <000301d534ce$88ce33a0$9a6a9ae0$@windstream.net>
Message-ID: <CFB8B285-FACD-4269-A199-ACECA87CB6B5@widomaker.com>

I believe the answer is One for K4(D) without ATU.  You get two others with ATU. 

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill


> On Jul 7, 2019, at 10:16 AM, Dick Dickinson <softblue at windstream.net> wrote:
> 
> I'm not always the best at reading between the lines.  With and without the
> internal antenna tuner, how many ports are available for Transmit?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> As ever,
> 
> Dick - KA5KKT
> 
> 
> 
> Nr4c < <http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft> nr4c at
> widomaker.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>>> How many ports does a K4D have without the ATU. 
> 
> 
> 
> 1 main antenna jack and 2 receive antenna inputs.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>>> 
> 
>>> I know the K4 only has one I think the ATU ads 2 more for total of three.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Yes. Also, any one of the ATU antenna jacks can be designated as a third
> receive antenna input (for either receiver).
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>>> But K4D must have two ports for separate antennas for Diversity, right?
> 
> 
> 
> Yes, RX ANT1 and RX ANT2. The latter is also labeled XVTR IN, and can be
> used with transverters.
> 
> 
> 
> 73,
> 
> Wayne
> 
> N6KR
> 
> 
> 
> ______________________________________________________________
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> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
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From ars.nc0jw at gmail.com  Sun Jul  7 19:43:11 2019
From: ars.nc0jw at gmail.com (Jim White NC0JW)
Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2019 17:43:11 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft SSB Net for Sunday June 30 and July 7,  2019
Message-ID: <B6199582-A33B-4890-B6F8-3183A913C3E2@gmail.com>

With our Net Control Station Eric WB9JNZ preparing for a two week overseas trip he asked me to get us caught up on the Elecraft SSB Net postings.  Propagation remains challenging and our relay stations continue to make a huge contribution.  Special thanks to all the relay stations noted below.

Sunday June 30, 2019 - 22 check ins

WB9JNZ		Eric		IL	K3		4017	Net control
WM6P		Steve	GA	K3S		11453	Relay station
W7QHD		Kurt		AZ	K2/100	1538
N4NRW		Roger	SC	K3		1318	Relay station
N6JW		John	CA	K3		936		Relay station
NC0JW		Jim		CO	KX3		1356	Relay station
K4HJY		Hank	GA	K3S		11697
W1NGA		Al		CO	K3		5765
KO5V		Jim		NM	K2		7225
W4DML		Doug	TN	K3		6433
K4FBI		Mike	VA	K3S		11414
AE6JV		Bill		CA	K3		6299	Relay station
N0MPM		Mike	IA	K2/100	923
K0JFJ		Nick	MN	KX2		3056	Second check in K3S 11835
N4ARV		Tony	FL	Xiegu X-108G
KE5UDT		Roger	TX	K3		6054
N7BDL		Terry	AZ	K3S		10373
K0MHP		Wade	MO	Swan
K6VWE		Stan	MI	K3		650
WA5DSS		Bill		TX	K3S		10835
KC3MZJ		Joel		PA	Kenwood TS-950SD
N3LAD		Chuck	PA	Kenwood TS-570

Sunday July 7, 2019 - 20 check ins

WB9JNZ		Eric		IL	K3		4017	Net control
KK9H		Don		IL	K3		3426
NC0JW		Jim		CO	KX3		1356	Relay station
N4NRW		Roger	SC	K3		1318	Relay station
W1NGA		Al		CO	K3		5765
K7BRR		Bill		AZ	K3S		10939
K8NU		Carl		OH	K3S		10996	Remote check in via AC7AV
KS6F		Guy		CA	K3S		10650
N0MPM		Mike	IA	K2/100	923
KF6JKC		Charles	IA	Yaesu
K0JFJ		Nick	MN	KX2		3056
AE6JV		Bill		CA	K3		6299
W7QHD		Kurt		AZ	K2/100	1538
N6JW		John	CA	K3		936
K6SBA		David	CA	KX3		6258
WM6P		Steve	GA	K3S		11543	Relay station
W4JSH		Jeff		TN	K3		2378
NS7P		Phil		OR	K3		1826
W4DML		Doug	TN	K3		6433
WW4JF		John	TN	K3S		11177

The Elecraft SSB Net meets on Sunday at 1800 UTC on or about 14.3035 MHz.   With propagation at a low point we employ several relay stations located around the continental USA to assist with check ins.  As conditions permit we take questions and comments after check ins.

As regular Net Control Station Eric WB9JNZ in Chicago, IL. will be on a two week vacation please stop by when acting Net Control Steve WM6P kicks things off next Sunday.

Jim White - NC0JW
ars.nc0jw at gmail.com







From zl2df at xtra.co.nz  Sun Jul  7 21:03:23 2019
From: zl2df at xtra.co.nz (Nigel ZL2DF)
Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2019 13:03:23 +1200
Subject: [Elecraft] K3: Update - Antenna not connecting on change to BC
	frequencies
Message-ID: <000001d53528$f4d484f0$de7d8ed0$@xtra.co.nz>

Initially posted 6/5/19, now solved.     The problem was signal
intermittency with an installed KBPF3 when switch to frequencies below
1.700.        

 

With patient help from Keith WE6R at Elecraft and suggestions from 5 other
list members I was able to confirm the problem was on the KBPF3 board.
Further tests to map the relay switching frequencies from 0.5 to 30Mhz
confirmed that while various  relay switching were not consistent they were
all operating when energized.        This then suggested faulty U1 and U2,
or corrupt control signals.    Three TPIC6C595D from Elecraft were ordered.
These shift registers are daisy chained on their control line so I initially
changed out U1 (first experience at working with this sized IC).
Happily this solved the problem.        Along the way I performed an EE INIT
on the radio and did a full calibration so now have a more detailed
understanding of the radio.

 

Warm thanks to Keith WE6R, Bill NR4C, Ben W4SC, Dave W9PA, Mark WB9CIF and
Mike VP8NO.

 

73,  Nigel ZL2DF
__________

 

 


From kevinr at coho.net  Sun Jul  7 21:33:50 2019
From: kevinr at coho.net (kevinr)
Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2019 18:33:50 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Report
Message-ID: <f306aa43-0572-7f96-169c-97af43097c78@coho.net>

Good Evening,

 ?? Roy, K6XK, mentioned not having any earthquakes this week. During my 
formative years in Wisconsin I had never felt one.? Then in 1972 or '73 
the New Madrid fault in Missouri let loose. Instead of working on 
chemistry problems I was reading Ambrose Bierce in my third floor room 
across from Camp Randall Stadium. Spooky stories set in the antebellum 
South.? Then the chairs start to shake, the pulls on the dresser began 
to rattle, and my bed started swaying.? Needless to say my hair stood on 
end.? It wasn't until the next day when I found out we had had an 
earthquake.? Now that I live in Oregon small quakes are common place.? 
They sound like the couplings on a train when it starts moving.

 ?? You know that feeling of hubris you have just before your plumbing 
project bites back?? I had one of those moments this week thinking I was 
only 30 minutes away from being done.? Wrong.? The connecting hoses I 
wanted to reuse were two inches too short.? The effort took its toll on 
my fingers.? If I sent code too slowly my fingers would get stuck open 
or closed.? Either way made it difficult to shape some words.? Plumbers 
truly are worth what they charge us :)


 ? On 14050.5 kHz at 2200z:

K6XK - Roy - IA

K4TO - Dave - KY

K0DTJ - Brian - CA

W0CZ - Ken - ND

K4JPN - Steve - GA


 ? On 7047.5 kHz at 0000z:

K0DTJ - Brian - CA

W6JHB - Jim - CA

K6PJV - Dale - CA


 ?? Now to go soak my hands in hot water as I do the dishes. However, 
there is more plumbing in my future.

 ??? 73,

 ??????? Kevin.? KD5ONS


_



From huntinhmb at coastside.net  Sun Jul  7 22:33:32 2019
From: huntinhmb at coastside.net (Brian Hunt)
Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2019 19:33:32 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 Display
In-Reply-To: <CA+Dor2Pj-Kz26aO6dif+LYU_OZPrMqiGrpMit=aD4C8Cig9MNA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+Dor2Pj-Kz26aO6dif+LYU_OZPrMqiGrpMit=aD4C8Cig9MNA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9bf63179-8ddd-ab6b-942d-c63f6debdf2a@coastside.net>

Jim -

I'm not sure this will help but here goes....

I have KX2 SN 11xx with current firmware loaded:? uC 2.89, DSP 1.52.? 
I've reviewed all the update information and there doesn't appear to be 
any changes that would modify the behavior of the DISP function.? Mine 
works as described on page 23 of the KX2 manual Rev. A5 dated May 28, 
2916: Special VFO B Displays -- Tap the DISP button and rotate the OFS/B 
knob to display the various parameters available.? The "Log" function 
was added in uC 2.77 and isn't covered in my manual version but works as 
described in the Firmware Notes for that release.

You could consider reloading the firmware fresh from the Elecraft site 
or call Elecraft support and pose the question to them.

73,
Brian, K0DTJ

On 7/7/2019 08:10, Jim Danehy wrote:
> I have owned my KX2 for some time now. I am now just now getting it on the
> air. I have a problem that I can not resolve. I have spent a few hours
> attempting to do that.
>
> When I try to bring up the DISPLAY function it does not work. The same
> button when held does work. Just the DISPLAY does not respond as it is
> supposed to do.
>
>


From llachow at gmail.com  Mon Jul  8 11:27:00 2019
From: llachow at gmail.com (LL)
Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2019 11:27:00 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] oh my. K1 woes
Message-ID: <CAGx7+ZQa3ZkO46Qkui+s1-C6r+PxaBG81qL4z8BAH9vS40WXGw@mail.gmail.com>

I just set my new-to-me K1 up in the field. I can switch bands, but keying
the rig with my straight key results in a steady key-down that only stops
when I power cycle the rig. The menu is not available.

Any ideas? Everything worked perfectly at home, of course. supply voltage
is 13.2

From kk5f at earthlink.net  Mon Jul  8 12:44:29 2019
From: kk5f at earthlink.net (Mike Morrow)
Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2019 11:44:29 -0500 (GMT-05:00)
Subject: [Elecraft] oh my. K1 woes
Message-ID: <1692144282.5001.1562604270352@wamui-agami.atl.sa.earthlink.net>


> I just set my new-to-me K1 up in the field. I can switch bands,
> but keying.the rig with my straight key results in a steady
> key-down that only stops when I power cycle the rig. The menu
> is not available.

The MENU should be available with your key unplugged.  (If not you have much greater problems.)

Go to the MENU, find INP, change that to HND.

Then try your key again.

Mike / KK5F

From jshowelljr at gmail.com  Mon Jul  8 12:55:14 2019
From: jshowelljr at gmail.com (John Howell)
Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2019 12:55:14 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 to K4 remote question
Message-ID: <CADoY67RiJ2QadT_5jF0ozcNYBFv5texn-7VW8nDWM6YAbh2Umg@mail.gmail.com>

Wayne or Eric,

Is the feature enabling a K4 to control a remote K4 over the Internet
planned for the first shipment group, or is it more likely this feature
will be added later?

Thank you.
John AF3K

From llachow at gmail.com  Mon Jul  8 13:11:49 2019
From: llachow at gmail.com (LL)
Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2019 13:11:49 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] oh my. K1 woes
In-Reply-To: <1692144282.5001.1562604270352@wamui-agami.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <1692144282.5001.1562604270352@wamui-agami.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <CAGx7+ZTz+sb9_r3ReJHcCPQeRB0=yiBZatLsZEhbU5zKUWXGZA@mail.gmail.com>

yes .  Ray, K2ULR, set me right. What I needed, for using my little
Whiterook cootie, turned out to be a connector that was mono on one end,
and stereo on the other, which I had, in my go-bag.

On Mon, Jul 8, 2019, 12:44 PM Mike Morrow <kk5f at earthlink.net> wrote:

>
> > I just set my new-to-me K1 up in the field. I can switch bands,
> > but keying.the rig with my straight key results in a steady
> > key-down that only stops when I power cycle the rig. The menu
> > is not available.
>
> The MENU should be available with your key unplugged.  (If not you have
> much greater problems.)
>
> Go to the MENU, find INP, change that to HND.
>
> Then try your key again.
>
> Mike / KK5F
>

From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Mon Jul  8 13:15:13 2019
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2019 13:15:13 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] oh my. K1 woes
In-Reply-To: <CAGx7+ZQa3ZkO46Qkui+s1-C6r+PxaBG81qL4z8BAH9vS40WXGw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGx7+ZQa3ZkO46Qkui+s1-C6r+PxaBG81qL4z8BAH9vS40WXGw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <36cfd10e-83eb-b3d8-1287-4725534ae8b0@embarqmail.com>

Lloyd,

Pull the key plug out, then see if it stops.  If so, check the key and 
the plug.  The plug must be stereo and have the key connected only to 
the tip and the shell (no connection to the ring).

73,
Don W3FPR

On 7/8/2019 11:27 AM, LL wrote:
> I just set my new-to-me K1 up in the field. I can switch bands, but keying
> the rig with my straight key results in a steady key-down that only stops
> when I power cycle the rig. The menu is not available.
> 
> Any ideas? Everything worked perfectly at home, of course. supply voltage
> is 13.2

From rc.ww5rc at gmail.com  Mon Jul  8 18:02:45 2019
From: rc.ww5rc at gmail.com (Robert 'RC' Conley)
Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2019 17:02:45 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] FOR SALE K2 SER#7750 REVISITED
Message-ID: <11df5112-7cd6-0d88-676d-a67874fde59f@gmail.com>

When I decided to sell my Elecraft K2 #7750, it was after weeks of 
deliberation. Since I am relocating to a senior?s apartment complex and 
will not be allowed a traditional ham station set up, a choice had to be 
made: it was either keep my K2 #7750 or my KX2 #1098. I must confess it 
was a difficult choice. I decided on keeping the KX2, because I rather 
enjoy P.O.T.A. type operations. The KX2 being more self-contained made 
the choice easier. Using the Elecraft AX-1 antenna system also made set 
ups easier. I can carry the whole station in a Harbor Freight tool case. 
I have more mode choices with the exception of FT8. I enjoy RTTY? and CW 
more than FT8. The result: my Elecraft K2 #7750 has to go.

When I built K2 #7750 it was intended to be a CW only station with 
computer control so only the KIO2 option was included. I document all my 
builds. You can see the complete documented build on my web site at 
<http://www.ww5rc.com/KITS/K2-7750/7750.html>.

I had some issues with the build, so I sent it to Alan Wilcox who fixed 
the issue, aligned it, and also built and installed the KIO2 option for 
me. Then FT8 came along, so W5LA (Jim Ragsdale) built and installed the 
KSB2 option for me as I no longer felt qualified to do the work.

 From Jan 24th until June 12th I made over 2,500 FT8 QSO's, including 
over 500 QSO's as a W5L special event station with K2 #7750 and various 
wire antennas: an 80/40 trap inverted vee and a 40/20 trap inverted vee 
@ 75'. All with this K2 #7750. Sideband operation is also available, 
however you will have to supply the
microphone.

I am offering my Elecraft K2 #7750 for sale for a reduced price of 
$700.00, including USPS Priority Mail shipping.

No need to clutter the reflector, so PLEASE reply off the list.

73, RC WW5RC

rc.ww5rc at gmail.com


From gwj at wb9jps.com  Mon Jul  8 18:33:36 2019
From: gwj at wb9jps.com (Gary Johnson)
Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2019 15:33:36 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] XVTR Out level
Message-ID: <04fb5f2d-79e6-0c35-19c8-6ac6aa93066b@wb9jps.com>

I'm testing the K3 XVTR output level for use with a Kuhne 144 
transverter (opt. 05) which uses a 14 MHz IF.

XV1 PWR is set to 1.5 mW as required. Checking with my spectrum 
analyzer, key-down CW output power at the XVTR Out jack varies as follows:

VFO=144 MHz (14.0 MHz out)? +1.3 dBm
145 (15.0)? -4.8
146 (16.0)? -17.5

Needless to say, the Kuhne output power varies proportionally. I also 
tested with XV1 IF set to 28 MHz and power output is flat. This 14 MHz 
level variation is unexpected; anyone seen this before?

Gary NA6O


From w4sc at windstream.net  Mon Jul  8 20:14:45 2019
From: w4sc at windstream.net (w4sc)
Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2019 20:14:45 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft]  XVTR Out level
Message-ID: <EE.7F.22080.57CD32D5@smtp04.aqua.bos.sync.lan>

At 15MHz you are starting to be out of the 20M passband filter, at 16MHz you are well out of the 20M pass band,,, the passband on 10M is around 2 or 3MHz wide and thus would provide the proper drive level for  144 (28MHz), 145 (29MHz), and 146 (30MHz) MHz operation.

 From the K3 users manual, pp71:

Band-Pass Filters (BPFs)
At back-left is the bank of ham-band BPFs. These filters are just wide enough to cover each ham band, so they provide good rejection of IMD products during both transmit and receive. Hi-Q components, including large toroids, ensure low loss and high signal-handling capability.

Regards de Ben W4SC

Sent from Mail for Windows 10


From gwj at wb9jps.com  Mon Jul  8 20:19:10 2019
From: gwj at wb9jps.com (Gary Johnson)
Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2019 17:19:10 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] XVTR Out level
In-Reply-To: <EE.7F.22080.57CD32D5@smtp04.aqua.bos.sync.lan>
References: <EE.7F.22080.57CD32D5@smtp04.aqua.bos.sync.lan>
Message-ID: <09A197FB-4734-4495-98C5-F4BD79688F99@wb9jps.com>

Guess I?ll have to study the K3 block diagrams. For some reason I thought Xvrt Out didn?t go thru the BPFs. 

-Gary NA6O

On Jul 8, 2019, at 5:14 PM, w4sc <w4sc at windstream.net> wrote:
> 
> At 15MHz you are starting to be out of the 20M passband filter, at 16MHz you are well out of the 20M pass band,,, the passband on 10M is around 2 or 3MHz wide and thus would provide the proper drive level for  144 (28MHz), 145 (29MHz), and 146 (30MHz) MHz operation.
>  


From w6png at yahoo.com  Mon Jul  8 21:08:14 2019
From: w6png at yahoo.com (Paul Gacek)
Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2019 18:08:14 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Help on wiring up a XV144 to a KX3 (or KX2)
Message-ID: <F0EFAC32-F55C-4C00-A59F-B7893F229641@yahoo.com>

I would like to connect these two and am following the guidance in Fred Cady?s KX Line manual page 239 and details in the XV Owners Manual.

Wiring/connectivity is;
- KX3/KX2 RF out (28 MHz via BNC) connected to XV144 Tx In/IF1 port (single port for RX/TX).
- KX3 ACC2 connected to XV144 CONTROL DB9 port

KX3 transverter 6 is configured 
XV144 configured to be transverter 6 via instructions on page 5 of XV Owners Manual  (i.e as if the XV is connected to a K3 using the wiring outlined above.

Can someone confirm that this is the wiring I should;
- KX3 ACC2 TIP wired to pin 3 of XV CONTROL
- KX3 ACC2 SHIELD wired to pin 5 of XV CONTROL

Paul Gacek
W6PNG/M0SNA
www.nomadic.blog

From gwj at wb9jps.com  Tue Jul  9 00:10:17 2019
From: gwj at wb9jps.com (Gary Johnson)
Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2019 21:10:17 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] XVTR Out level
In-Reply-To: <EE.7F.22080.57CD32D5@smtp04.aqua.bos.sync.lan>
References: <EE.7F.22080.57CD32D5@smtp04.aqua.bos.sync.lan>
Message-ID: <4E13A2EC-5E08-4719-ABE8-F23F71E00554@wb9jps.com>

Sure enough, the BPFs are in the low-level RF path on TX and RX. Moral of the story is to choose a transverter with a 28 MHz IF when maximum usable frequency range is desired.

Gary NA6O

From indians at xsmail.com  Tue Jul  9 10:14:00 2019
From: indians at xsmail.com (Petr, OK1RP/M0SIS)
Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2019 07:14:00 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] Fan Replacement
In-Reply-To: <FCEPICMMLJNKCAMJOFIGKEHKDLAA.N7IR@cox.net>
References: <CAEk6-=vNEt7bUYoBt9F+Z+UWgi8Wg3fsyECfz9xSMAX_meCK4A@mail.gmail.com>
	<FCEPICMMLJNKCAMJOFIGKEHKDLAA.N7IR@cox.net>
Message-ID: <1562681640143-0.post@n2.nabble.com>

Dear Gary and John,

just small questions about the Noctua fans replacement.
How did you re-wired 3-wires Noctuas to K3 2-wires connection? Just cut the
yellow wire?

Also I am interresting about the details of "silicon rubber 
anti-vibration mounts to attach the fans to the Elecraft fan panel and to 
attach the Elecraft fan screens with the Noctua-supplied screws"...

Maybe some picture to email will be helpful please.

Many thanks guys,

Petr, OK1RP




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"Apple & Elecraft freak"
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From doc.lock at fast-mail.net  Tue Jul  9 10:59:46 2019
From: doc.lock at fast-mail.net (Peter Lock)
Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2019 07:59:46 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] K-Pod function buttons not apparently working
Message-ID: <1562684386157-0.post@n2.nabble.com>

Good day
I am trying to use the buttons on the K-Pod to  run macros.  I have used the
K3 Utility Command tester to store the macro (in this case swt42;) and
edited the MACRO15 label to SPOT.  So a tap of the F7 button on the K-Pod
should tune the rig to the signal (CWT on, signal is close enough). I have
written the macros to the K3, and confirmed they are there by erasing them
in the macro editor, and reading them back from the K3.  Running the macro
from the Command tester works as expected.

Tapping F7 on the K-Pod gets the macro label appearing in the VFO B area and
a 'bip' from the K-Pod, but no evidence that the swt42; is being actioned;
nothing happens to the rig.

Although this is perhaps a simplistic example, it demonstrates the problem. 
I did find I was able to get the F7 button on the K-Pod to work by
programming Function 7 through the CONFIG:MACRO menu option and assigning a
tap of the SPOT button to that Function.  However, I want to go on to
control the P3 by using its macro commands (#QSY1; and #QSY0;), which as far
as I am aware, cannot be assigned through the CONFIG:MACRO options. (Testing
the #QSY1; and #QSY0; commands from the Command tester works just as I
wish).

Firmware in both the K3 and K-Pod updated today (9th July 2019).

I guess I have overlooked something simple.

Any advice would be appreciated.

Peter
M0RYB



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From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Tue Jul  9 11:09:15 2019
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2019 11:09:15 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Help on wiring up a XV144 to a KX3 (or KX2)
In-Reply-To: <F0EFAC32-F55C-4C00-A59F-B7893F229641@yahoo.com>
References: <F0EFAC32-F55C-4C00-A59F-B7893F229641@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <27703e25-e741-76f6-6f69-3d293eaa0208@embarqmail.com>

Paul,

Your wiring from the KX3 ACC2 jack to the XV144 DE-9 connector is not 
correct.

The ACC2 shield should wire to XV Control pin 1 - this is ground for the 
XV144.

The ACC2 ring should wire to XV Control pin 9 - This is the KEYIN to the 
XV144.

The ACC2 tip should wire to XV Control pin 6 - This is the AUXBUS signal 
to the XV144.  The KX3 ACC2 IO menu parameter must be set to TRN CTRL.
I have some questions about the level of this signal - the KX3 outputs a 
3 volt logic level and the XV144 is expecting a 5 volt logic level.  You 
can try it direct (I have never tried it).  If things do not work 
properly, you will have to insert a bi-directional level conversion in 
the path.

Actually the XV144 will work fine without the AUXBUS connection, but you 
do need the KEYIN signal.  Configure the XV144 for a non-Elecraft 
transceiver and with the KEYIN connection, all will work fine.

Set all the DIP switches to OFF - those switches only respond to the 
Power On the XV from the transverter.  That signal is only available 
from the K2 and K2, it is not available from the KX3.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 7/8/2019 9:08 PM, Paul Gacek via Elecraft wrote:
> I would like to connect these two and am following the guidance in Fred Cady?s KX Line manual page 239 and details in the XV Owners Manual.
> 
> Wiring/connectivity is;
> - KX3/KX2 RF out (28 MHz via BNC) connected to XV144 Tx In/IF1 port (single port for RX/TX).
> - KX3 ACC2 connected to XV144 CONTROL DB9 port
> 
> KX3 transverter 6 is configured
> XV144 configured to be transverter 6 via instructions on page 5 of XV Owners Manual  (i.e as if the XV is connected to a K3 using the wiring outlined above.
> 
> Can someone confirm that this is the wiring I should;
> - KX3 ACC2 TIP wired to pin 3 of XV CONTROL
> - KX3 ACC2 SHIELD wired to pin 5 of XV CONTROL
> 

From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Tue Jul  9 12:08:10 2019
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2019 12:08:10 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Help on wiring up a XV144 to a KX3 (or KX2)
In-Reply-To: <F0EFAC32-F55C-4C00-A59F-B7893F229641@yahoo.com>
References: <F0EFAC32-F55C-4C00-A59F-B7893F229641@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <34963125-d141-4693-5bf1-f205ded2bf22@embarqmail.com>

Paul,

What I said refers to the KX3 only.?? For the KX2, there is only a 
single TRRS jack instead of the KX3 ACC2 jack which is TRS.? So the 
wiring for the KX2 is different than what I specified.

73,
Don W3FPR
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Paul,

Your wiring from the KX3 ACC2 jack to the XV144 DE-9 connector is not 
correct.

The ACC2 shield should wire to XV Control pin 1 - this is ground for the 
XV144.

The ACC2 ring should wire to XV Control pin 9 - This is the KEYIN to the 
XV144.

The ACC2 tip should wire to XV Control pin 6 - This is the AUXBUS signal 
to the XV144. The KX3 ACC2 IO menu parameter must be set to TRN CTRL.
I have some questions about the level of this signal - the KX3 outputs a 
3 volt logic level and the XV144 is expecting a 5 volt logic level. You 
can try it direct (I have never tried it). If things do not work 
properly, you will have to insert a bi-directional level conversion in 
the path.

Actually the XV144 will work fine without the AUXBUS connection, but you 
do need the KEYIN signal. Configure the XV144 for a non-Elecraft 
transceiver and with the KEYIN connection, all will work fine.

Set all the DIP switches to OFF - those switches only respond to the 
Power On the XV from the transverter. That signal is only available from 
the K2 and K2, it is not available from the KX3.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 7/8/2019 9:08 PM, Paul Gacek via Elecraft wrote:
> I would like to connect these two and am following the guidance in 
> Fred Cady?s KX Line manual page 239 and details in the XV Owners Manual.
>
> Wiring/connectivity is;
> - KX3/KX2 RF out (28 MHz via BNC) connected to XV144 Tx In/IF1 port 
> (single port for RX/TX).
> - KX3 ACC2 connected to XV144 CONTROL DB9 port
>
> KX3 transverter 6 is configured
> XV144 configured to be transverter 6 via instructions on page 5 of XV 
> Owners Manual (i.e as if the XV is connected to a K3 using the wiring 
> outlined above.
>
> Can someone confirm that this is the wiring I should;
> - KX3 ACC2 TIP wired to pin 3 of XV CONTROL
> - KX3 ACC2 SHIELD wired to pin 5 of XV CONTROL
>

From john at kk9a.com  Tue Jul  9 14:14:50 2019
From: john at kk9a.com (john at kk9a.com)
Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2019 13:14:50 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K-Pod function buttons not apparently working
Message-ID: <20190709131450.Horde.qW_1IVXeyg5gEemqaR8SxfQ@www11.qth.com>

Are you pressing the K-POD buttons property (tap or hold) for the  
functions that you have programmed? I prefer to put most programs as a  
tap.

John KK9A


Peter Lock M0RYB wrote

Good day
I am trying to use the buttons on the K-Pod to  run macros.  I have used the
K3 Utility Command tester to store the macro (in this case swt42;) and
edited the MACRO15 label to SPOT.  So a tap of the F7 button on the K-Pod
should tune the rig to the signal (CWT on, signal is close enough). I have
written the macros to the K3, and confirmed they are there by erasing them
in the macro editor, and reading them back from the K3.  Running the macro
from the Command tester works as expected.

Tapping F7 on the K-Pod gets the macro label appearing in the VFO B area and
a 'bip' from the K-Pod, but no evidence that the swt42; is being actioned;
nothing happens to the rig.

Although this is perhaps a simplistic example, it demonstrates the problem.
I did find I was able to get the F7 button on the K-Pod to work by
programming Function 7 through the CONFIG:MACRO menu option and assigning a
tap of the SPOT button to that Function.  However, I want to go on to
control the P3 by using its macro commands (#QSY1; and #QSY0;), which as far
as I am aware, cannot be assigned through the CONFIG:MACRO options. (Testing
the #QSY1; and #QSY0; commands from the Command tester works just as I
wish).

Firmware in both the K3 and K-Pod updated today (9th July 2019).

I guess I have overlooked something simple.

Any advice would be appreciated.

Peter
M0RYB


From jsdanehy at gmail.com  Tue Jul  9 17:01:04 2019
From: jsdanehy at gmail.com (Jim Danehy)
Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2019 17:01:04 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] FIR SALE TRANSVERTERS
Message-ID: <7C45134F-C966-494D-957F-33EE12619B0E@gmail.com>

6 and 2 Elecraft transverters 
Perfect shape
Work as expected

Offers are welcome

Jim
W9VNE 
jsdanehy at gmail.com

Sent from my iPhone

From stevesgt at effable.com  Tue Jul  9 17:24:18 2019
From: stevesgt at effable.com (Steve Sergeant)
Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2019 14:24:18 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Digital Voice Plans?
In-Reply-To: <C0A56652-BA57-45B7-BE55-ABDAADEDE5BC@mac.com>
References: <34944918-54CA-4E06-8751-C850C257D07E@mac.com>
	<F0E08A44-5602-4060-8C30-34A3059D84CB@elecraft.com>
	<C0A56652-BA57-45B7-BE55-ABDAADEDE5BC@mac.com>
Message-ID: <a0f31351-5f60-7c42-8be6-67bb5783cd4c@effable.com>

I think having a digital voice mode will be a requirement for any future
HF radio I buy.

I wonder if any of the existing models (KX series or K3S) have the
remaining CPU resources to offer FreeDV as an additional mode?

de KC6ZKT

On 6/1/19 11:42 AM, Michael Blake via Elecraft wrote:
> Thank you Wayne.
> 
> Michael Blake
> k9jri at mac.com <mailto:k9jri at icloud.com>
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jun 1, 2019, at 2:05 PM, Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com> wrote:
>>
>> The K4 could accommodate modes such as these but we haven't defined plans to include them yet.
>>
>> Wayne
>> N6KR
>>
>>
>>> On Jun 1, 2019, at 4:09 AM, Michael Blake via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> Eric, Wayne,
>>>
>>> What are your plans for including HF compatible digital voice modulation/demodulation modes into the K4?  Modes such as C4FM, Dstar, FreeDV, etc?..
>>>
>>> If none do you have any plans for freestanding DV modem hardware that would allow HF DV on the K3s, K4 or any other manufacturer?s HF SSB transceivers?
>>>
>>> Very 73 - Mike - K9JRI

From brianpepperdine at sympatico.ca  Tue Jul  9 20:36:53 2019
From: brianpepperdine at sympatico.ca (Brian)
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2019 00:36:53 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S IF signals seen in P3 and NaP3 but nothing heard
Message-ID: <YTOPR0101MB1068604ACBE4AA9171FC39F4C3F00@YTOPR0101MB1068.CANPRD01.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

A few weeks back I bought a used K3 upgraded to K3S in many ways, including a sub-receiver (which I doubt I will use).
Anyhow.. about a week or so in I was in a situation where I could see IF signals on the P3 (and NaP3) but hear no signals.
I contacted Elecraft service and they felt that if it persisted I might look at replacing the receiver board at the front (behind display panel) with gold pins (which could be ordered from DigiKey) but would require removal/replacement of the pins on the board. Not eager to do that if avoidable.

Anyhow, by the time (day or so) Elecraft had consulted internally and responded the receiver was once again hearing and presenting signals. I left it at that, thinking well the radio WAS shipped etc. so maybe some settlement etc.

Anyhow, earlier today (a month later ? )  the same thing happened. So before pulling the receiver board and re-setting it in the pin socket (hoping for a better connection) I looked at the other hardware connection there.. the two TMP plugs/sockets. So I took the two cables out with the TMP plugs on them and reset them twice.
Behold, signals heard.

I will let this be for now and if it does not repeat then leave it. I will let you all know if in the short/medium term the program stays away or returns. I did see ONE reference to this in the mail list archives, but the gold pins were mentioned there. Nothing re. the accessible and simpler TMP plugs.

73
Brian VE3VAW Toronto ON



From g0ruz at g0ruz.com  Wed Jul 10 07:21:43 2019
From: g0ruz at g0ruz.com (Conrad PA5Y)
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2019 11:21:43 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] XVTR Out level
In-Reply-To: <4E13A2EC-5E08-4719-ABE8-F23F71E00554@wb9jps.com>
References: <EE.7F.22080.57CD32D5@smtp04.aqua.bos.sync.lan>,
	<4E13A2EC-5E08-4719-ABE8-F23F71E00554@wb9jps.com>
Message-ID: <AM5P189MB038769BFB3C915D4F0280D05B5F00@AM5P189MB0387.EURP189.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

Hi Gary could you perhaps chose 2 transverters 144MHz and 145MHz and set the levels accordingly? Fortunately all my transverters have a 28MHz IF. Another Elecraft 'surprise'. The worst one for me is the K3S TX IMD on 6m, its really quite awful and not good enough for me to use. So I suppose that I will end up using the transverter port for 6m as well. Its a shame because the RX is outstanding.


You will love the performance of the Kuhne transverter with the K3, its the best combination that I have found for the band.


73


Conrad PA5Y


________________________________
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> on behalf of Gary Johnson <gwj at wb9jps.com>
Sent: 09 July 2019 06:10
To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] XVTR Out level

Sure enough, the BPFs are in the low-level RF path on TX and RX. Moral of the story is to choose a transverter with a 28 MHz IF when maximum usable frequency range is desired.

Gary NA6O
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From MarkMu.Boeing747 at yahoo.com  Wed Jul 10 11:35:58 2019
From: MarkMu.Boeing747 at yahoo.com (Mark Murray)
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2019 11:35:58 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 Sound Card, used for Weak Signal Digital Modes.
Message-ID: <000101d53735$2cbdd390$86397ab0$@yahoo.com>

If available at this early stage, any specs on the upcoming K4 sound card,
or likewise, its internal chip model number, would be of interest here.
Perhaps it will be the same as the carefully chosen TI chip used in the
K3-S.   Thank you.


From a.durbin at msn.com  Wed Jul 10 12:13:32 2019
From: a.durbin at msn.com (Andy Durbin)
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2019 16:13:32 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 Sound Card, used for Weak Signal Digital Modes.
Message-ID: <BYAPR16MB29685C54EDFA828105C944128CF00@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>

"Perhaps it will be the same as the carefully chosen TI chip used in the K3-S"

What is the part number of that carefully chosen TI chip?  Various versions of the PCM2903 are used in amateur radio equipment.  Did Elecraft use something better in the K3S?

73,
Andy, k3wyc

From w4kx at mac.com  Wed Jul 10 12:25:50 2019
From: w4kx at mac.com (Tom Doligalski)
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2019 12:25:50 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S IF signals seen in P3 and NaP3 but nothing heard
In-Reply-To: <YTOPR0101MB1068604ACBE4AA9171FC39F4C3F00@YTOPR0101MB1068.CANPRD01.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
References: <YTOPR0101MB1068604ACBE4AA9171FC39F4C3F00@YTOPR0101MB1068.CANPRD01.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
Message-ID: <324E94E7-5AE1-4B45-BFCC-6CDF40FD0124@mac.com>

I have had similar problems with the TMP cables. Was tempted to just replace all of them, but everything seems to be working great now!

Tom W4KX

Sent from my iPad

> On Jul 9, 2019, at 8:36 PM, Brian <brianpepperdine at sympatico.ca> wrote:
> 
> A few weeks back I bought a used K3 upgraded to K3S in many ways, including a sub-receiver (which I doubt I will use).
> Anyhow.. about a week or so in I was in a situation where I could see IF signals on the P3 (and NaP3) but hear no signals.
> I contacted Elecraft service and they felt that if it persisted I might look at replacing the receiver board at the front (behind display panel) with gold pins (which could be ordered from DigiKey) but would require removal/replacement of the pins on the board. Not eager to do that if avoidable.
> 
> Anyhow, by the time (day or so) Elecraft had consulted internally and responded the receiver was once again hearing and presenting signals. I left it at that, thinking well the radio WAS shipped etc. so maybe some settlement etc.
> 
> Anyhow, earlier today (a month later ? )  the same thing happened. So before pulling the receiver board and re-setting it in the pin socket (hoping for a better connection) I looked at the other hardware connection there.. the two TMP plugs/sockets. So I took the two cables out with the TMP plugs on them and reset them twice.
> Behold, signals heard.
> 
> I will let this be for now and if it does not repeat then leave it. I will let you all know if in the short/medium term the program stays away or returns. I did see ONE reference to this in the mail list archives, but the gold pins were mentioned there. Nothing re. the accessible and simpler TMP plugs.
> 
> 73
> Brian VE3VAW Toronto ON
> 
> 
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From ghyoungman at gmail.com  Wed Jul 10 13:14:53 2019
From: ghyoungman at gmail.com (Grant Youngman)
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2019 13:14:53 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S IF signals seen in P3 and NaP3 but nothing heard
In-Reply-To: <324E94E7-5AE1-4B45-BFCC-6CDF40FD0124@mac.com>
References: <YTOPR0101MB1068604ACBE4AA9171FC39F4C3F00@YTOPR0101MB1068.CANPRD01.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
	<324E94E7-5AE1-4B45-BFCC-6CDF40FD0124@mac.com>
Message-ID: <78065488-C74D-4DDD-A936-CBAD3F92D1EA@gmail.com>

i have never had a problem with TMP cables themselves.  They?ve been in and out of my K3 many times doing upgrades, etc.  I HAVE had a problem with my own careless installation.

In some socket locations you have to be careful.  You can?t just jam the plug in the socket when you feel resistance.  On a few of the sockets (not all), if the cable enter pin is slightly misaligned and you keep pushing, you will end up displacing the tip end of the socket.  Can?t say that?s what happened here, but appropriate care can put off a lot of head scratching and diagnosis time later.

Hard lessons learned the hard way .. 

Grant NQ5T
K3 #2091 KX3 #8342

> On Jul 10, 2019, at 12:25 PM, Tom Doligalski via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
> 
> I have had similar problems with the TMP cables. Was tempted to just replace all of them, but everything seems to be working great now!
> 
> Tom W4KX
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Jul 9, 2019, at 8:36 PM, Brian <brianpepperdine at sympatico.ca> wrote:
>> 
>> Anyhow, earlier today (a month later ? )  the same thing happened. So before pulling the receiver board and re-setting it in the pin socket (hoping for a better connection) I looked at the other hardware connection there.. the two TMP plugs/sockets. So I took the two cables out with the TMP plugs on them and reset them twice.
>> Behold, signals heard.
>> 


From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Wed Jul 10 14:07:41 2019
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2019 13:07:41 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S IF signals seen in P3 and NaP3 but nothing heard
In-Reply-To: <78065488-C74D-4DDD-A936-CBAD3F92D1EA@gmail.com>
References: <YTOPR0101MB1068604ACBE4AA9171FC39F4C3F00@YTOPR0101MB1068.CANPRD01.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
	<324E94E7-5AE1-4B45-BFCC-6CDF40FD0124@mac.com>
	<78065488-C74D-4DDD-A936-CBAD3F92D1EA@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f23b2735-8fab-5827-fb97-e227cc2e5e7e@blomand.net>

These cables, like many cables with connectors will accrue connector 
oxidation.? Often the oxidation is such that it prevents a very low 
level signal from passing.?? The solution for many instances is simply 
to clean connectors.

My approach is to use a Q-Tip, apply your favorite contact cleaner to 
the Q-Tip, unplug one connector at a time, and scrub the male pins.? 
Then exercise the connector in and out of the jack or plug to wipe the 
female socket.?? Then move on to another connector, doing the same.

And for gosh sake, NEVER NEVER spray anything into the radio, a socket 
or a connector.? You'll regret ever doing that for a long long time.

73

Bob, K4TAX



On 7/10/2019 12:14 PM, Grant Youngman wrote:
> i have never had a problem with TMP cables themselves.  They?ve been in and out of my K3 many times doing upgrades, etc.  I HAVE had a problem with my own careless installation.
>
> In some socket locations you have to be careful.  You can?t just jam the plug in the socket when you feel resistance.  On a few of the sockets (not all), if the cable enter pin is slightly misaligned and you keep pushing, you will end up displacing the tip end of the socket.  Can?t say that?s what happened here, but appropriate care can put off a lot of head scratching and diagnosis time later.
>
> Hard lessons learned the hard way ..
>
> Grant NQ5T
> K3 #2091 KX3 #8342
>
>> On Jul 10, 2019, at 12:25 PM, Tom Doligalski via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
>>
>> I have had similar problems with the TMP cables. Was tempted to just replace all of them, but everything seems to be working great now!
>>
>> Tom W4KX
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>>> On Jul 9, 2019, at 8:36 PM, Brian <brianpepperdine at sympatico.ca> wrote:
>>>
>>> Anyhow, earlier today (a month later ? )  the same thing happened. So before pulling the receiver board and re-setting it in the pin socket (hoping for a better connection) I looked at the other hardware connection there.. the two TMP plugs/sockets. So I took the two cables out with the TMP plugs on them and reset them twice.
>>> Behold, signals heard.
>>>
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From Gary at ka1j.com  Wed Jul 10 14:16:05 2019
From: Gary at ka1j.com (Gary Smith)
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2019 14:16:05 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S IF signals seen in P3 and NaP3 but nothing heard
In-Reply-To: <78065488-C74D-4DDD-A936-CBAD3F92D1EA@gmail.com>
References: <YTOPR0101MB1068604ACBE4AA9171FC39F4C3F00@YTOPR0101MB1068.CANPRD01.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>,
	<324E94E7-5AE1-4B45-BFCC-6CDF40FD0124@mac.com>,
	<78065488-C74D-4DDD-A936-CBAD3F92D1EA@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5D262B65.26564.378EC93@Gary.ka1j.com>

When I install TMP cables in hard-to-reach 
locations I use hemostats, the ones with 
the knurled teeth. Of course never clamp 
down on the connector, keep it with the 
loosest possible grip so as not to deform 
anything.

Gary
KA1J

> i have never had a problem with TMP cables themselves.  They?ve been
> in and out of my K3 many times doing upgrades, etc.  I HAVE had a
> problem with my own careless installation.
> 
> In some socket locations you have to be careful.  You can?t just jam
> the plug in the socket when you feel resistance.  On a few of the
> sockets (not all), if the cable enter pin is slightly misaligned and
> you keep pushing, you will end up displacing the tip end of the
> socket.  Can?t say that?s what happened here, but appropriate care
> can put off a lot of head scratching and diagnosis time later.
> 
> Hard lessons learned the hard way .. 
> 
> Grant NQ5T
> K3 #2091 KX3 #8342
> 
> > On Jul 10, 2019, at 12:25 PM, Tom Doligalski via Elecraft
> > <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
> > 
> > I have had similar problems with the TMP cables. Was tempted to just
> > replace all of them, but everything seems to be working great now!
> > 
> > Tom W4KX
> > 
> > Sent from my iPad
> > 
> >> On Jul 9, 2019, at 8:36 PM, Brian <brianpepperdine at sympatico.ca>
> >> wrote:
> >> 
> >> Anyhow, earlier today (a month later ? )  the same thing happened.
> >> So before pulling the receiver board and re-setting it in the pin
> >> socket (hoping for a better connection) I looked at the other
> >> hardware connection there.. the two TMP plugs/sockets. So I took
> >> the two cables out with the TMP plugs on them and reset them twice.
> >> Behold, signals heard.


From ab4iq at Comcast.net  Wed Jul 10 15:49:43 2019
From: ab4iq at Comcast.net (Ed Pflueger)
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2019 14:49:43 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S IF signals seen in P3 and NaP3 but nothing heard
In-Reply-To: <f23b2735-8fab-5827-fb97-e227cc2e5e7e@blomand.net>
References: <YTOPR0101MB1068604ACBE4AA9171FC39F4C3F00@YTOPR0101MB1068.CANPRD01.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>	<324E94E7-5AE1-4B45-BFCC-6CDF40FD0124@mac.com>	<78065488-C74D-4DDD-A936-CBAD3F92D1EA@gmail.com>
	<f23b2735-8fab-5827-fb97-e227cc2e5e7e@blomand.net>
Message-ID: <006e01d53758$a06067e0$e12137a0$@Comcast.net>

I always used a pencil eraser, worked great.  On old Stromberg Carlson Switch gear to clean the contacts I used a $100 bill.  Not much grease on them.  Hi hi...

Ed.. AB4IQ

-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Bob McGraw K4TAX
Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2019 1:08 PM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S IF signals seen in P3 and NaP3 but nothing heard

These cables, like many cables with connectors will accrue connector oxidation.  Often the oxidation is such that it prevents a very low level signal from passing.   The solution for many instances is simply to clean connectors.

My approach is to use a Q-Tip, apply your favorite contact cleaner to the Q-Tip, unplug one connector at a time, and scrub the male pins. Then exercise the connector in and out of the jack or plug to wipe the female socket.   Then move on to another connector, doing the same.

And for gosh sake, NEVER NEVER spray anything into the radio, a socket or a connector.  You'll regret ever doing that for a long long time.

73

Bob, K4TAX



On 7/10/2019 12:14 PM, Grant Youngman wrote:
> i have never had a problem with TMP cables themselves.  They?ve been in and out of my K3 many times doing upgrades, etc.  I HAVE had a problem with my own careless installation.
>
> In some socket locations you have to be careful.  You can?t just jam the plug in the socket when you feel resistance.  On a few of the sockets (not all), if the cable enter pin is slightly misaligned and you keep pushing, you will end up displacing the tip end of the socket.  Can?t say that?s what happened here, but appropriate care can put off a lot of head scratching and diagnosis time later.
>
> Hard lessons learned the hard way ..
>
> Grant NQ5T
> K3 #2091 KX3 #8342
>
>> On Jul 10, 2019, at 12:25 PM, Tom Doligalski via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
>>
>> I have had similar problems with the TMP cables. Was tempted to just replace all of them, but everything seems to be working great now!
>>
>> Tom W4KX
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>>> On Jul 9, 2019, at 8:36 PM, Brian <brianpepperdine at sympatico.ca> wrote:
>>>
>>> Anyhow, earlier today (a month later ? )  the same thing happened. So before pulling the receiver board and re-setting it in the pin socket (hoping for a better connection) I looked at the other hardware connection there.. the two TMP plugs/sockets. So I took the two cables out with the TMP plugs on them and reset them twice.
>>> Behold, signals heard.
>>>
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From k5wa at comcast.net  Wed Jul 10 16:20:21 2019
From: k5wa at comcast.net (K5WA)
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2019 15:20:21 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] FW: A couple of K3 rigs for sale - UPDATE
Message-ID: <013301d5375c$e7c23100$b7469300$@comcast.net>

 

Both rigs have found new homes so now my XYL can?t argue too much about a new K4 (or two).  ?

 

I?ll have fully loaded S/N 4933 for sale in December after my first K4 arrives if anyone is interested.  It is loaded essentially the same as #752 below but obviously newer.

 

Thanks,

Bob K5WA

 

From: K5WA <k5wa at comcast.net <mailto:k5wa at comcast.net> > 
Sent: Sunday, June 9, 2019 3:23 PM
To: 'Elecraft at mailman.qth.net' <Elecraft at mailman.qth.net <mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net> >
Subject: A couple of K3 rigs for sale

 

Well, the K4 got my attention and I need to clear the decks so my XYL won?t buy too much furniture in retaliation.  I?m putting these 2 rigs up for sale now and I?ll sell the third one after a K4 ships in early 2020.  I will deliver within 100 miles of Houston and $50 can be deducted from the prices if I don?t have to ship.  If an international shipment is needed, let?s talk to see how/if that can be done but I?d prefer CONUS.  Here is the blurb I?m sending around:

 

I took some pictures of two rigs I?m selling.  If you?re looking for a used competition grade K3, I think you would like either of these.  Be sure and look at the comments beside most of the pictures which tell what I was trying to communicate with each picture.  A full ?new? pricing estimate is there for comparison and to detail what is in each rig.  The actual selling price is listed below.

 

https://photos.app.goo.gl/PQ9aWkhAcXCmnY5i7   This is S/N 752 (ALREADY SOLD) which has the USB connection (from the KIO3B upgrade) as well as the KSYN3 synthesizer upgrade on main and sub receivers.  I?m listing this at $3200 shipped FedEx ground for CONUS.

 

https://photos.app.goo.gl/kbmnKdbEDdJL4hEa7    This is S/N 234 and has the 2 meter module, the K3SYN upgrade (MAIN and SUB), a couple more filters and the general coverage band pass but no USB connection.  I?m listing this one at $3400 shipped FedEx ground.

 

My photography skills are not the best but I think someone would get a good idea of the condition of both rigs.  Contact me directly with any questions.

 

Thanks,

 

Bob K5WA

 

 


From w4sc at windstream.net  Wed Jul 10 16:33:30 2019
From: w4sc at windstream.net (w4sc)
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2019 16:33:30 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S IF signals seen in P3 and NaP3 but nothing heard
Message-ID: <C4.3C.09353.A9B462D5@smtp02.aqua.bos.sync.lan>


The TMP connectors should never need cleaning unless they have been contaminated (usually by body oil from handling) as they are silver plated.  Don?t handle the contact areas of the male plug, as once oil is on the plug it will transfer to the jack on the board, potentially causing connection issues.

Ben W4SC

Sent from Mail for Windows 10


From wes_n7ws at triconet.org  Wed Jul 10 19:56:09 2019
From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes)
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2019 16:56:09 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S IF signals seen in P3 and NaP3 but nothing heard
In-Reply-To: <C4.3C.09353.A9B462D5@smtp02.aqua.bos.sync.lan>
References: <C4.3C.09353.A9B462D5@smtp02.aqua.bos.sync.lan>
Message-ID: <145f7b3a-0909-52fa-5955-c5fe7b6107c1@triconet.org>

I beg to differ: https://groups.io/g/Elecraft-K3/album?id=37256

Some of these are disengaged purposely. And no, I don't live in a corrosive 
atmosphere, the opposite ends are pristine.

Wes? N7WS

On 7/10/2019 1:33 PM, w4sc wrote:
> The TMP connectors should never need cleaning unless they have been contaminated (usually by body oil from handling) as they are silver plated.  Don?t handle the contact areas of the male plug, as once oil is on the plug it will transfer to the jack on the board, potentially causing connection issues.
>
> Ben W4SC
>
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10


From enzoisis at sympatico.ca  Wed Jul 10 20:31:22 2019
From: enzoisis at sympatico.ca (Enzo Greco)
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2019 20:31:22 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Norcal 40a
Message-ID: <007d01d5377f$f7c959c0$e75c0d40$@ca>

GE Gentleman,

 

I wonder if anyone might have a  Norcal 40a  Designed by Wayne Burdick
(N6KR) for sale?

 

 

 

I would much appreciate hearing from you.

 

 

Tks es 73 de VE3VTG

 

 

Good on QRZ

 

 


From lladerman at earthlink.net  Wed Jul 10 21:33:50 2019
From: lladerman at earthlink.net (W0FK)
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2019 18:33:50 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 For Sale
Message-ID: <1562808830789-0.post@n2.nabble.com>

  
P3 Panadapter. Comes with cblp3y cable to interface with the K3S and cables
for the K3. $599 plus shipping. PayPal and certified checks accepted, US
sales only. Lou, W0FK
  




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genius has its limits." Albert Einstein


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From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Wed Jul 10 23:08:33 2019
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2019 22:08:33 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S IF signals seen in P3 and NaP3 but nothing heard
In-Reply-To: <145f7b3a-0909-52fa-5955-c5fe7b6107c1@triconet.org>
References: <C4.3C.09353.A9B462D5@smtp02.aqua.bos.sync.lan>
	<145f7b3a-0909-52fa-5955-c5fe7b6107c1@triconet.org>
Message-ID: <489e0a28-4686-cc0b-ae7e-227dc0aaadf9@blomand.net>

It is silver sulfide {tarnish} which is semiconductor and will therefore 
conduct electricity, but will reduce the surface conductivity.?? To what 
extent will depend on the thickness of the tarnish.??? Surface tarnish 
will not affect bulk conductivity unless the "bulk" thickness is very 
thin.?? Since silver is soft, when one contact rubs against the other it 
cleans itself. However, if the contacts are not designed to do this then 
there could be the issue and longer term problem with accumulation of 
low conductivity sulfides.? Basically then resulting in loss of 
conductivity.

73

Bob, K4TAX


On 7/10/2019 6:56 PM, Wes wrote:
> I beg to differ: https://groups.io/g/Elecraft-K3/album?id=37256
>
> Some of these are disengaged purposely. And no, I don't live in a 
> corrosive atmosphere, the opposite ends are pristine.
>
> Wes? N7WS
>
> On 7/10/2019 1:33 PM, w4sc wrote:
>> The TMP connectors should never need cleaning unless they have been 
>> contaminated (usually by body oil from handling) as they are silver 
>> plated.? Don?t handle the contact areas of the male plug, as once oil 
>> is on the plug it will transfer to the jack on the board, potentially 
>> causing connection issues.
>>
>> Ben W4SC
>>
>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
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From graziano at roccon.com  Thu Jul 11 02:59:10 2019
From: graziano at roccon.com (Graziano Roccon (IW2NOY))
Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2019 08:59:10 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] Norcal 40a
In-Reply-To: <007d01d5377f$f7c959c0$e75c0d40$@ca>
References: <007d01d5377f$f7c959c0$e75c0d40$@ca>
Message-ID: <5928f1db203f060c63b33cbfe8ae37f9@roccon.com>

Hello,

if you would like to try a build experience of a Norcal 40a, this 
british group sell the kit (licensed and permitted by Wayne):

https://www.ebay.it/itm/NorCal40A-DIY-Amateur-Ham-Radio-QRP-CW-Morse-Code-Transceiver-inc-PCB/293146499035?hash=item4440e497db:g:PIkAAOSwFGNcVyKK

See you on the air.

73's de Graziano IW2NOY

Il 11/07/2019 02:31 Enzo Greco ha scritto:
> GE Gentleman,
> 
> 
> 
> I wonder if anyone might have a  Norcal 40a  Designed by Wayne Burdick
> (N6KR) for sale?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> I would much appreciate hearing from you.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Tks es 73 de VE3VTG
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Good on QRZ
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From doc.lock at fast-mail.net  Thu Jul 11 08:38:28 2019
From: doc.lock at fast-mail.net (Peter Lock)
Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2019 05:38:28 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] K-Pod function buttons not apparently working
In-Reply-To: <20190709131450.Horde.qW_1IVXeyg5gEemqaR8SxfQ@www11.qth.com>
References: <1562684386157-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<20190709131450.Horde.qW_1IVXeyg5gEemqaR8SxfQ@www11.qth.com>
Message-ID: <1562848708247-0.post@n2.nabble.com>

Yes, I believe I was pressing the buttons correctly.  Very curiously, the
"Spot" macro (swt42;) is now functioning correctly; I am convinced I have
changed nothing to make that happen.  Commands for the P3 (#QSY1; etc)
however are still not working...

Peter
M0RYB


john at kk9a.com wrote
> Are you pressing the K-POD buttons property (tap or hold) for the  
> functions that you have programmed? I prefer to put most programs as a  
> tap.
> 
> John KK9A
> 
> 
> Peter Lock M0RYB wrote
> 
> Good day
> I am trying to use the buttons on the K-Pod to  run macros.  I have used
> the
> K3 Utility Command tester to store the macro (in this case swt42;) and
> edited the MACRO15 label to SPOT.  So a tap of the F7 button on the K-Pod
> should tune the rig to the signal (CWT on, signal is close enough). I have
> written the macros to the K3, and confirmed they are there by erasing them
> in the macro editor, and reading them back from the K3.  Running the macro
> from the Command tester works as expected.
> 
> Tapping F7 on the K-Pod gets the macro label appearing in the VFO B area
> and
> a 'bip' from the K-Pod, but no evidence that the swt42; is being actioned;
> nothing happens to the rig.
> 
> Although this is perhaps a simplistic example, it demonstrates the
> problem.
> I did find I was able to get the F7 button on the K-Pod to work by
> programming Function 7 through the CONFIG:MACRO menu option and assigning
> a
> tap of the SPOT button to that Function.  However, I want to go on to
> control the P3 by using its macro commands (#QSY1; and #QSY0;), which as
> far
> as I am aware, cannot be assigned through the CONFIG:MACRO options.
> (Testing
> the #QSY1; and #QSY0; commands from the Command tester works just as I
> wish).
> 
> Firmware in both the K3 and K-Pod updated today (9th July 2019).
> 
> I guess I have overlooked something simple.
> 
> Any advice would be appreciated.
> 
> Peter
> M0RYB
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From mike.flowers at gmail.com  Thu Jul 11 09:18:57 2019
From: mike.flowers at gmail.com (Mike Flowers)
Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2019 06:18:57 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K-Pod function buttons not apparently working
In-Reply-To: <1562848708247-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1562684386157-0.post@n2.nabble.com>	<20190709131450.Horde.qW_1IVXeyg5gEemqaR8SxfQ@www11.qth.com>
	<1562848708247-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <099a01d537eb$328d7030$97a85090$@gmail.com>

Hello Peter,

Executing P3 macro commands from the K-POD has not been implemented in the
K3/K3S/K-POD firmware.

I was informed by Elecraft support that this was the case when I was trying
to resolve the same issue soon after the P3 was introduced.

You might contact Elecraft Support to confirm that this is still the case.

I found a workaround by using K3 & P3 macros in DXLab's Commander rig
control program.  

- 73 and good DX de Mike, K6MKF, NCDXC Secretary

> -----Original Message-----
> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net>
> On Behalf Of Peter Lock
> Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2019 05:38
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K-Pod function buttons not apparently working
> 
> Yes, I believe I was pressing the buttons correctly.  Very curiously, the
"Spot"
> macro (swt42;) is now functioning correctly; I am convinced I have changed
> nothing to make that happen.  Commands for the P3 (#QSY1; etc) however are
> still not working...
> 
> Peter
> M0RYB
> 
> 
> john at kk9a.com wrote
> > Are you pressing the K-POD buttons property (tap or hold) for the
> > functions that you have programmed? I prefer to put most programs as a
> > tap.
> >
> > John KK9A
> >
> >
> > Peter Lock M0RYB wrote
> >
> > Good day
> > I am trying to use the buttons on the K-Pod to  run macros.  I have
> > used the
> > K3 Utility Command tester to store the macro (in this case swt42;) and
> > edited the MACRO15 label to SPOT.  So a tap of the F7 button on the
> > K-Pod should tune the rig to the signal (CWT on, signal is close
> > enough). I have written the macros to the K3, and confirmed they are
> > there by erasing them in the macro editor, and reading them back from
> > the K3.  Running the macro from the Command tester works as expected.
> >
> > Tapping F7 on the K-Pod gets the macro label appearing in the VFO B
> > area and a 'bip' from the K-Pod, but no evidence that the swt42; is
> > being actioned; nothing happens to the rig.
> >
> > Although this is perhaps a simplistic example, it demonstrates the
> > problem.
> > I did find I was able to get the F7 button on the K-Pod to work by
> > programming Function 7 through the CONFIG:MACRO menu option and
> > assigning a tap of the SPOT button to that Function.  However, I want
> > to go on to control the P3 by using its macro commands (#QSY1; and
> > #QSY0;), which as far as I am aware, cannot be assigned through the
> > CONFIG:MACRO options.
> > (Testing
> > the #QSY1; and #QSY0; commands from the Command tester works just as I
> > wish).
> >
> > Firmware in both the K3 and K-Pod updated today (9th July 2019).
> >
> > I guess I have overlooked something simple.
> >
> > Any advice would be appreciated.
> >
> > Peter
> > M0RYB
> >
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From w4sc at windstream.net  Thu Jul 11 10:09:57 2019
From: w4sc at windstream.net (w4sc)
Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2019 10:09:57 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K-Pod function buttons not apparently working
Message-ID: <B5.66.24006.333472D5@smtp03.aqua.bos.sync.lan>


As Mike has noted, execution of P3 Macros from the K3 has not been implemented.  IMO probably will not be.

Macros to the P3 can only be sent via the RS232 i/f from an attached computer.

The important thing to remember is the macros are not stored on the KPOD, but on the K3 and  ?pointed? to when you tap/hold a Function key on the KPOD.

I just received my KPOD from Elecraft, and it will be great for changing operating configurations that require a lot of front panel button interaction.

Enjoy!

73 de Ben W4SC

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From graziano at roccon.com  Thu Jul 11 10:47:45 2019
From: graziano at roccon.com (Graziano Roccon (IW2NOY))
Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2019 16:47:45 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] K-Pod Macro and P3
Message-ID: <12fb9fda8eab3cd1ba02ad5b8ffc320f@roccon.com>

Hello,

i send some of my actual macros used with via K-pod on my K3s&P3.
Maybe could be useful for somebody...



(Keep attention to the last command "#FNXn", this call the functiion on 
P3 button number "n", where i store my SPAN preferences)
[For example FNX1 is 5 khz, FNX3 is 10 Khz, FNX4 is 20 Khz etc.]

SSB UP5
SWH58;BW0320;SWT13;SWT13;FT1;SB1;UPB7;RT0;XT0;DE010;#FNX3

SSB UP10
MD2;SWH58;BW0320;SWT13;SWT13;FT1;SB1;UPB7;UPB7;RT0;XT0;DE010;#FNX4

CW UP1
SWH58;BW0040;SWT13;SWT13;FT1;SB1;UPB4;RT0;XT0;DE010;#FNX1

CLEANUP
FT0;RT0;XT0;LN0;SB0;SWT13;SWT13;

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Some other useful macro command... for anyone

SET POWER
PC100; PC010;

SET MONITOR LEVEL
ML000; ML020;

SUBRECEIVER
SB1; ON
SB0; OFF

SPLIT
FT1; ON
FT2; OFF

RECALL MEMORY 32
MC032;

USING THE DIGOUT1 PIN11 on ACC
MN019;MP001;MN255;PC065;

SENDING WITH KEYER
KS020; Set keyer speed to 20 wpm
KYWIW2NOY; Send IW2NOY
KYW =; Send BT

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Last, but not least, my actual configuration for K-POD button/function
[If somebody is interested to know the macro behind the nutton, just 
write me on private]

(F2&F3 are useful when changing from SSB to Digital mode with WSJTX for 
example)
(F8&F16 are useful if you have a linear amplifier, like me)



           Tapping                        Holding

F1       IW2NOY (M1)         F9       	RR5NNTU (M2)
F2       MIC FP		     F10	USB
F3       MIC LINE	     F11	LSB
F4       SPOT		     F12	CW
F5       SSB 5UP	     F13	CLEANUP
F6       CW 1 UP	     F14	CLEANUP
F7       MONI 0		     F15	MONI 20
F8       Power 10W	     F16	Power 100W


Best regards, Graziano IW2NOY / W2NOY

From rogerp at metalsales.com  Thu Jul 11 12:48:16 2019
From: rogerp at metalsales.com (Roger Palmer)
Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2019 10:48:16 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] K3-F, P3-F, K3S/0 complete remote setup
Message-ID: <B7AF6A55-1093-468D-B037-9BA037AF6B33@metalsales.com>


This K3-F loaded with almost every option.
P3-F plus options.
Both main and 2nd rcvr updated with the S synthesizers. 
Email please.
73 Roger K7ERQ 



From garnere at gmail.com  Thu Jul 11 18:16:19 2019
From: garnere at gmail.com (Eric Garner)
Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2019 15:16:19 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] poor 2m reception on KX3
Message-ID: <CABqdsz9Qf9t-mtno+a71mMHB4c+o6C49VYN1t7s494wvF7b0Sw@mail.gmail.com>

I just purchased a KX3-2M 2m transverter module for my KX3. After
installing it I'm finding that I have very poor 2m FM (I have not tried
SSB) reception. A station just north of me that usually pegs the S-Meter on
every other radio I own is down in the S3-S4 region and barely copyable.
Receiving on my TH-D72 concurrently to the KX3 is fine.

I have double checked that my connections to the antenna are sound. I have
swapped antennas between my HT and my KX3 (both are using a Diamond
SRH77CA) with no improvement. Since the 2m module uses the 6m band as it's
IF I've confirmed that 6m FM works as expected.

Does anyone have other troubleshooting steps that might be of use before I
contact elecraft?

Thanks
-- 
--Eric
_________________________________________
Eric Garner

From beruberu at focusnature.ch  Fri Jul 12 01:14:22 2019
From: beruberu at focusnature.ch (beruberu at focusnature.ch)
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2019 07:14:22 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] Trouble with my KXPA100
Message-ID: <2n5giehj1l8abc1scvpf7mrhf41rulhbou@4ax.com>

Hello to all of you, I have a trouble with my KXPA100 and my KX3: for
a few days now, the led of the KXPA100 doesn't go further than 25w
output, even if the KX3 shows 100 w on it !!! Have you any idea of
what is wrong?? I just test the configuration at home with a another
antenna, still the same.......If I look at the KXPA100 utiity I only
see 2w in put and 2 watta output in the kxpa....I hope you will be
abble to help me... read you soon. 73 qro HB9GUR.

From MarkMu.Boeing747 at yahoo.com  Fri Jul 12 09:59:27 2019
From: MarkMu.Boeing747 at yahoo.com (Mark Murray)
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2019 09:59:27 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 Sound Card, used for Weak Signal Digital Modes.
Message-ID: <000001d538ba$05745440$105cfcc0$@yahoo.com>

Andy:  In answer to your two questions:

The TI PCM2901, I am told by a Watsonville rep, was used in the K3-S.
Whether it was used in early production runs, or used in later production
runs, I do not know.  It comes in two versions: Model E and Model EG4.  The
data sheet and other specs can be found here :
http://www.ti.com/product/pcm2901

As far as your second question:  Do not know.  My guess is that the K4 will
have a different, later-model chip altogether.

/mm


From a.durbin at msn.com  Fri Jul 12 10:42:13 2019
From: a.durbin at msn.com (Andy Durbin)
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2019 14:42:13 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 Sound Card, used for Weak Signal Digital Modes.
In-Reply-To: <BYAPR16MB29685C54EDFA828105C944128CF00@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
References: <BYAPR16MB29685C54EDFA828105C944128CF00@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <BYAPR16MB2968ACCBE5E33D27BDBF3EA58CF20@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>

"The TI PCM2901, I am told by a Watsonville rep, was used in the K3-S."

Thanks.

The PCM2901 and PCM2903 appear to be be very similar.  The only obvious difference I found is in support of S/PDIF.  It was interesting to see that the shared data sheet shows even the latest version of the PCM2903 is not recommended for new designs.

I didn't see anything that suggests the performance of the PCM2901 is better than the PCM2903 but I never was good at "spot the differences".

73,
Andy, k3wyc




From a.durbin at msn.com  Fri Jul 12 11:02:32 2019
From: a.durbin at msn.com (Andy Durbin)
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2019 15:02:32 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 Sound Card, used for Weak Signal Digital Modes.
In-Reply-To: <BYAPR16MB2968ACCBE5E33D27BDBF3EA58CF20@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
References: <BYAPR16MB29685C54EDFA828105C944128CF00@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>,
	<BYAPR16MB2968ACCBE5E33D27BDBF3EA58CF20@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <BYAPR16MB2968CA2B94F8B11EF808E5188CF20@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>

"It was interesting to see that the shared data sheet shows even the latest version of the PCM2903 is not recommended for new designs"

Well, the PCM2903C seems to be the latest version of the PCM2903 and it does not have the NRND designation.  The PCM2901 datasheet reference to PCM2903E is puzzling (at least to me).

http://www.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/pcm2903c.pdf

73,
Andy, k3wyc



From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Fri Jul 12 13:45:55 2019
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2019 10:45:55 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 Sound Card, used for Weak Signal Digital Modes.
In-Reply-To: <BYAPR16MB2968CA2B94F8B11EF808E5188CF20@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
References: <BYAPR16MB29685C54EDFA828105C944128CF00@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
	<BYAPR16MB2968ACCBE5E33D27BDBF3EA58CF20@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
	<BYAPR16MB2968CA2B94F8B11EF808E5188CF20@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <36032204-4ed3-3ecf-1ead-8e917a827518@audiosystemsgroup.com>

To put this in context, WSJT-X works at 16-bit 48 kHz. The spec that 
matters is the linearity of the A/D at the extremes of the dynamic range.

73, Jim K9YC

On 7/12/2019 8:02 AM, Andy Durbin wrote:
> "It was interesting to see that the shared data sheet shows even the latest version of the PCM2903 is not recommended for new designs"




From a.durbin at msn.com  Fri Jul 12 15:49:47 2019
From: a.durbin at msn.com (Andy Durbin)
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2019 19:49:47 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 Sound Card, used for Weak Signal Digital Modes.
In-Reply-To: <BYAPR16MB2968CA2B94F8B11EF808E5188CF20@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
References: <BYAPR16MB29685C54EDFA828105C944128CF00@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>,
	<BYAPR16MB2968ACCBE5E33D27BDBF3EA58CF20@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>,
	<BYAPR16MB2968CA2B94F8B11EF808E5188CF20@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <BYAPR16MB296843F36479BD4C8FABDC828CF20@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>

"The spec that matters is the linearity of the A/D at the extremes of the dynamic range."

Jim,

A bit more information please.  Are you talking about TX or RX?  Are you talking about the A/D that is typically in the TX path between the CODEC and DSP of a modern transceiver or perhaps an A/D that may be used in an outboard analog sound interface?

Why wouldn't a smart new rig accept USB audio and feed it directly to DSP rather than converting to analog and back to digital before reaching the DSP.

73,
Andy, k3wyc




From wes_n7ws at triconet.org  Fri Jul 12 16:09:06 2019
From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes)
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2019 13:09:06 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] ALC implementation
In-Reply-To: <E1B725FA-3AD4-4D1C-844B-9546D7677B48@comcast.net>
References: <BYAPR16MB29689908D054057A50C54C218CFC0@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
	<BYAPR16MB2968B1EB024C91431474040F8CF
	C0@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
	<CALhxr4Y33bK=vqk-smqZmxCv9F+aOUR5UabRgxS1e6yQbdzwXg@mail.gmail.com>
	<E1B725FA-3AD4-4D1C-844B-9546D7677B48@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <c4107749-578f-7771-3a5a-a4a1de8b47ca@triconet.org>

And what exactly is the problem with compression?? It's used all over the place.

Wes? N7WS

On 6/28/2019 11:38 AM, Brian Denley wrote:
> I have always thought that ALC is not appropriate for power control.  It?s a protection system.  Over use of ALC acts like compression.  No?
>
> Brian
> KB1VBF
> Sent from my iPad


From jim at rhodesend.net  Fri Jul 12 16:15:52 2019
From: jim at rhodesend.net (Jim Rhodes)
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2019 15:15:52 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] ALC implementation
In-Reply-To: <c4107749-578f-7771-3a5a-a4a1de8b47ca@triconet.org>
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Nothing when it is done correctly on a mode that can stand the distortion.
I personally won't use it on digital modes as my rigs tend to turn it off
by default.

Jim Rhodes
K0XU

On Fri, Jul 12, 2019, 15:10 Wes <wes_n7ws at triconet.org> wrote:

> And what exactly is the problem with compression?  It's used all over the
> place.
>
> Wes  N7WS
>
> On 6/28/2019 11:38 AM, Brian Denley wrote:
> > I have always thought that ALC is not appropriate for power control.
> It?s a protection system.  Over use of ALC acts like compression.  No?
> >
> > Brian
> > KB1VBF
> > Sent from my iPad
>
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From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Fri Jul 12 16:34:28 2019
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2019 13:34:28 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 Sound Card, used for Weak Signal Digital Modes.
In-Reply-To: <BYAPR16MB296843F36479BD4C8FABDC828CF20@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
References: <BYAPR16MB29685C54EDFA828105C944128CF00@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
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I'm talking about feeding detected audio to the computer for decoding. 
And not all digital formats are the same -- going from one to another 
takes time and processor power, and, depending on how data is encoded, 
may be problematic.

73, Jim K9YC

On 7/12/2019 12:49 PM, Andy Durbin wrote:
> "The spec that matters is the linearity of the A/D at the extremes of the dynamic range."
>
> Jim,
>
> A bit more information please.  Are you talking about TX or RX?  Are you talking about the A/D that is typically in the TX path between the CODEC and DSP of a modern transceiver or perhaps an A/D that may be used in an outboard analog sound interface?
>
> Why wouldn't a smart new rig accept USB audio and feed it directly to DSP rather than converting to analog and back to digital before reaching the DSP.
>
> 73,
> Andy, k3wyc
>
>
>


From wes_n7ws at triconet.org  Fri Jul 12 17:00:03 2019
From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes)
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2019 14:00:03 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] ALC implementation
In-Reply-To: <CALhxr4YzUH3AzBwV9dTnHm0u0E5G7q0+MiXP33-dtaQR9C57-A@mail.gmail.com>
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What distortion?

On 7/12/2019 1:15 PM, Jim Rhodes wrote:
> Nothing when it is done correctly on a mode that can stand the distortion. I 
> personally won't use it on digital modes as my rigs tend to turn it off by 
> default.
>
> Jim Rhodes
> K0XU
>
> On Fri, Jul 12, 2019, 15:10 Wes <wes_n7ws at triconet.org 
> <mailto:wes_n7ws at triconet.org>> wrote:
>
>     And what exactly is the problem with compression?? It's used all over the
>     place.
>
>     Wes? N7WS
>
>     On 6/28/2019 11:38 AM, Brian Denley wrote:
>     > I have always thought that ALC is not appropriate for power control.?
>     It?s a protection system.? Over use of ALC acts like compression.? No?
>     >
>     > Brian
>     > KB1VBF
>     > Sent from my iPad
>
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From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Fri Jul 12 17:41:33 2019
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2019 16:41:33 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] ALC implementation
In-Reply-To: <e6b46af6-60a5-2154-c2f3-43392dbcc097@triconet.org>
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	<e6b46af6-60a5-2154-c2f3-43392dbcc097@triconet.org>
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Don't confuse compression and clipping.   Compression reduces dynamic range while clipping sets a hard ceiling and does generate distortion.  Compression used correctly does not generate distortion. 

73
Bob, K4TAX


Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 12, 2019, at 4:00 PM, Wes <wes_n7ws at triconet.org> wrote:
> 
> What distortion?
> 
>> On 7/12/2019 1:15 PM, Jim Rhodes wrote:
>> Nothing when it is done correctly on a mode that can stand the distortion. I personally won't use it on digital modes as my rigs tend to turn it off by default.
>> 
>> Jim Rhodes
>> K0XU
>> 
>> On Fri, Jul 12, 2019, 15:10 Wes <wes_n7ws at triconet.org <mailto:wes_n7ws at triconet.org>> wrote:
>> 
>>    And what exactly is the problem with compression?  It's used all over the
>>    place.
>> 
>>    Wes  N7WS
>> 
>>    On 6/28/2019 11:38 AM, Brian Denley wrote:
>>    > I have always thought that ALC is not appropriate for power control. 
>>    It?s a protection system.  Over use of ALC acts like compression.  No?
>>    >
>>    > Brian
>>    > KB1VBF
>>    > Sent from my iPad
>> 
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From k6dgw at foothill.net  Fri Jul 12 18:32:35 2019
From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen)
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2019 15:32:35 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] ALC implementation
In-Reply-To: <0094CBA5-37DF-420B-97F9-CBF996CC03D3@blomand.net>
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Message-ID: <dc3bbb50-8185-553f-adab-7d7c8076a712@foothill.net>

Well ... I think it depends on your definition of distortion.? One can 
argue that, if the RF envelope does not exactly equal the original AF 
envelope, the signal has been distorted and that is certainly the case 
when the dynamic range has been reduced with compression.? It doesn't 
increase the occupied bandwidth however [at least not by much].? 
Clipping mows down the peaks, leaving sharp "edges" or signal 
transitions which do increase the occupied bandwidth.

73,
Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

On 7/12/2019 2:41 PM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote:
> Don't confuse compression and clipping.   Compression reduces dynamic range while clipping sets a hard ceiling and does generate distortion.  Compression used correctly does not generate distortion.
>
> 73
> Bob, K4TAX
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jul 12, 2019, at 4:00 PM, Wes <wes_n7ws at triconet.org> wrote:
>>
>> What distortion?
>>
>>> On 7/12/2019 1:15 PM, Jim Rhodes wrote:
>>> Nothing when it is done correctly on a mode that can stand the distortion. I personally won't use it on digital modes as my rigs tend to turn it off by default.
>>>
>>> Jim Rhodes
>>> K0XU
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jul 12, 2019, 15:10 Wes <wes_n7ws at triconet.org <mailto:wes_n7ws at triconet.org>> wrote:
>>>
>>>     And what exactly is the problem with compression?  It's used all over the
>>>     place.
>>>
>>>     Wes  N7WS
>>>
>>>     On 6/28/2019 11:38 AM, Brian Denley wrote:
>>>     > I have always thought that ALC is not appropriate for power control.
>>>     It?s a protection system.  Over use of ALC acts like compression.  No?
>>>     >
>>>     > Brian
>>>     > KB1VBF
>>>     > Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>>


From g0ruz at g0ruz.com  Fri Jul 12 18:45:02 2019
From: g0ruz at g0ruz.com (Conrad PA5Y)
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2019 22:45:02 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] ALC implementation
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It should be mentioned that FT8 and JT65 are constant envelope and therefore there should not be any AF envelope to follow. Actually when I recently measured the AF output from WSJT-X there was a tiny amount of AM, around 1.4% in fact which so small as to be of no consequence.  ALC can introduce AM quite easily if not properly implemented or adjusted. The recommended method of adjusting the K3S AF drive for digital modes works very well but each radio is different. The recent Icoms (IC-7300, IC7610 and IC9700) 50% indication on the ALC meter does not cause any degradation or spreading even for MSK144 which has 16.5% AM. Presumably there is a small delay introduced to prevent overshoots, a so called 'look ahead' algorithm.

Regards

Conrad PA5Y

-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On Behalf Of Fred Jensen
Sent: 13 July 2019 00:33
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] ALC implementation

Well ... I think it depends on your definition of distortion.? One can argue that, if the RF envelope does not exactly equal the original AF envelope, the signal has been distorted and that is certainly the case when the dynamic range has been reduced with compression.? It doesn't increase the occupied bandwidth however [at least not by much]. Clipping mows down the peaks, leaving sharp "edges" or signal transitions which do increase the occupied bandwidth.

73,
Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

On 7/12/2019 2:41 PM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote:
> Don't confuse compression and clipping.   Compression reduces dynamic range while clipping sets a hard ceiling and does generate distortion.  Compression used correctly does not generate distortion.
>
> 73
> Bob, K4TAX
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jul 12, 2019, at 4:00 PM, Wes <wes_n7ws at triconet.org> wrote:
>>
>> What distortion?
>>
>>> On 7/12/2019 1:15 PM, Jim Rhodes wrote:
>>> Nothing when it is done correctly on a mode that can stand the distortion. I personally won't use it on digital modes as my rigs tend to turn it off by default.
>>>
>>> Jim Rhodes
>>> K0XU
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jul 12, 2019, 15:10 Wes <wes_n7ws at triconet.org <mailto:wes_n7ws at triconet.org>> wrote:
>>>
>>>     And what exactly is the problem with compression?  It's used all over the
>>>     place.
>>>
>>>     Wes  N7WS
>>>
>>>     On 6/28/2019 11:38 AM, Brian Denley wrote:
>>>     > I have always thought that ALC is not appropriate for power control.
>>>     It?s a protection system.  Over use of ALC acts like compression.  No?
>>>     >
>>>     > Brian
>>>     > KB1VBF
>>>     > Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>>

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From kg9hfrank at gmail.com  Fri Jul 12 19:07:43 2019
From: kg9hfrank at gmail.com (Frank Krozel)
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2019 18:07:43 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Am settings?
Message-ID: <C8055F63-C1BA-463D-8042-34293386F924@gmail.com>

So let me start out by saying I am a CW guy but listen to the AM guys on the weekends.
Reminds me of when I just got into ham radio back in 1968. They guys were on 1805 here in Chicago area.

I have not yet bought the 13kHz filter so I am strapped with what I have in it now, stock.

Can anyone tell me how to set-up the transmit  TX EQ for AM?

As I understand it, the EQ set-ups are specific for SSB and AM, separately.

I have SSB set-up where I have presence but just cannot get AM to sound good.

de Frank KG9H


From wes_n7ws at triconet.org  Fri Jul 12 19:11:03 2019
From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes)
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2019 16:11:03 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] ALC implementation
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Actually, gain compression reduces "gain" not dynamic range.? All signals are 
reduced in amplitude by the same number of dB.? This is the only way it doesn't 
introduce distortion.

This reminds me of the endless discussions about RX AGC where everyone has their 
favorite combination of rf-gain, threshold, slope, etc, that somehow magically 
reduces strong signals while allowing weaker ones to "pop out of the noise."? If 
you have one of these receivers, you best only use it for FM reception.

There is nothing inherently wrong with using compression, i.e. ALC on digital 
modes if the time constants are appropriate.? I have just run some tests on my 
K3S on FT8 while looking at the spectrum on a spectrum analyzer and listening 
with a second K3 for the dreaded in-band harmonics while "overdriving" the audio 
into the ALC region. With the present setup, I got the "recommended" 4-5 bars 
with the Line In at about 7 to 8.? Cranking it up to 30 and maxing out the ALC 
at 8 bars made no difference in detectable in-band harmonics, even using a 300 
Hz offset. (Split was off)

It's funny that this guy, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=smWp0TOEtlQ decides 
that speech processing has no undesired effects yet is adamant that ALC should 
not be used.

Wes? N7WS



On 7/12/2019 2:41 PM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote:
> Don't confuse compression and clipping.   Compression reduces dynamic range while clipping sets a hard ceiling and does generate distortion.  Compression used correctly does not generate distortion.
>
> 73
> Bob, K4TAX
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jul 12, 2019, at 4:00 PM, Wes <wes_n7ws at triconet.org> wrote:
>>
>> What distortion?
>>
>>> On 7/12/2019 1:15 PM, Jim Rhodes wrote:
>>> Nothing when it is done correctly on a mode that can stand the distortion. I personally won't use it on digital modes as my rigs tend to turn it off by default.
>>>
>>> Jim Rhodes
>>> K0XU
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jul 12, 2019, 15:10 Wes <wes_n7ws at triconet.org <mailto:wes_n7ws at triconet.org>> wrote:
>>>
>>>     And what exactly is the problem with compression?  It's used all over the
>>>     place.
>>>
>>>     Wes  N7WS
>>>
>>>     On 6/28/2019 11:38 AM, Brian Denley wrote:
>>>     > I have always thought that ALC is not appropriate for power control.
>>>     It?s a protection system.  Over use of ALC acts like compression.  No?
>>>     >
>>>     > Brian
>>>     > KB1VBF
>>>     > Sent from my iPad
>>>
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From garnere at gmail.com  Fri Jul 12 19:13:32 2019
From: garnere at gmail.com (Eric Garner)
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2019 16:13:32 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] poor 2m reception on KX3
In-Reply-To: <CABqdsz9Qf9t-mtno+a71mMHB4c+o6C49VYN1t7s494wvF7b0Sw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABqdsz9Qf9t-mtno+a71mMHB4c+o6C49VYN1t7s494wvF7b0Sw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CABqdsz9arAZ=x5t1np7Mhn7fv4yr24s8LMcEvKDz5QSrjtWiYw@mail.gmail.com>

Following Scott McDonald's off list suggestion I went through with the
cover off and wiggled the coax internal to the KX3 hoping to find an
intermittent connection. I ended up discovering a kink in the coax from the
antenna connector to the 2m board. I'm going to replace that and see if
that was the issue.

-Eric

On Thu, Jul 11, 2019 at 3:16 PM Eric Garner <garnere at gmail.com> wrote:

> I just purchased a KX3-2M 2m transverter module for my KX3. After
> installing it I'm finding that I have very poor 2m FM (I have not tried
> SSB) reception. A station just north of me that usually pegs the S-Meter on
> every other radio I own is down in the S3-S4 region and barely copyable.
> Receiving on my TH-D72 concurrently to the KX3 is fine.
>
> I have double checked that my connections to the antenna are sound. I have
> swapped antennas between my HT and my KX3 (both are using a Diamond
> SRH77CA) with no improvement. Since the 2m module uses the 6m band as it's
> IF I've confirmed that 6m FM works as expected.
>
> Does anyone have other troubleshooting steps that might be of use before I
> contact elecraft?
>
> Thanks
> --
> --Eric
> _________________________________________
> Eric Garner
>


-- 
--Eric
_________________________________________
Eric Garner

From ghyoungman at gmail.com  Fri Jul 12 19:31:36 2019
From: ghyoungman at gmail.com (Grant Youngman)
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2019 19:31:36 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Am settings?
In-Reply-To: <C8055F63-C1BA-463D-8042-34293386F924@gmail.com>
References: <C8055F63-C1BA-463D-8042-34293386F924@gmail.com>
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Do you have either the 6 or 13 KHz filter?

If you?re transmitting through the SSB filter, your bandwidth is going to be substantially constricted, and may sound pretty muddy.

Grant NQ5T
K3 #2091 KX3 #8342

> On Jul 12, 2019, at 7:07 PM, Frank Krozel <kg9hfrank at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> So let me start out by saying I am a CW guy but listen to the AM guys on the weekends.
> Reminds me of when I just got into ham radio back in 1968. They guys were on 1805 here in Chicago area.
> 
> I have not yet bought the 13kHz filter so I am strapped with what I have in it now, stock.
> 
> Can anyone tell me how to set-up the transmit  TX EQ for AM?
> 
> As I understand it, the EQ set-ups are specific for SSB and AM, separately.
> 
> I have SSB set-up where I have presence but just cannot get AM to sound good.
> 
> de Frank KG9H
> 
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From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Fri Jul 12 21:32:33 2019
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2019 20:32:33 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Am settings?
In-Reply-To: <C8055F63-C1BA-463D-8042-34293386F924@gmail.com>
References: <C8055F63-C1BA-463D-8042-34293386F924@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9fb36ec9-136e-04bd-7277-02dcbd874882@blomand.net>

First, how have you determined that you will need EQ for AM? With the 
stock SSB filter you won't get AM to sound good.? And with the 6 kHz AM 
filter, that depends largely on the type of mike being used and your 
mike technique.?? I? use the same mike and mike technique and EQ for SSB 
as I do for AM. ? Yes there are separate EQ settings stored for SSB and 
for AM.?? I use the 6 kHz filter for AM and get excellent audio reports.

I find the better way to evaluate ones audio is to use a 2nd receiver 
and record the audio from that receiver while transmitting into a dummy 
load. ? I use Audacity as a free recording application. ?? Then playback 
and listen.? Judge for yourself what sounds good.? Others may have poor 
hearing, bad room acoustics, and no telling how their receiver is 
adjusted.?? Don't bother to use headphones and the monitor system as it 
will not be true due to bone conduction of sound through ones head.?? 
{Radio guys use headphones to hear network cues and end of music or 
other program material, etc. and? not to listen to themselves.? Unless 
they have a giant ego. }

If you should ask on the air about your AM audio and EQ within an AM 
group, you'll receive as many comments as there are stations on the 
frequency plus 1.

73

Bob, K4TAX



On 7/12/2019 6:07 PM, Frank Krozel wrote:
> So let me start out by saying I am a CW guy but listen to the AM guys on the weekends.
> Reminds me of when I just got into ham radio back in 1968. They guys were on 1805 here in Chicago area.
>
> I have not yet bought the 13kHz filter so I am strapped with what I have in it now, stock.
>
> Can anyone tell me how to set-up the transmit  TX EQ for AM?
>
> As I understand it, the EQ set-ups are specific for SSB and AM, separately.
>
> I have SSB set-up where I have presence but just cannot get AM to sound good.
>
> de Frank KG9H
>


From kg9hfrank at gmail.com  Fri Jul 12 21:48:05 2019
From: kg9hfrank at gmail.com (Frank Krozel)
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2019 20:48:05 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Am settings?
In-Reply-To: <9fb36ec9-136e-04bd-7277-02dcbd874882@blomand.net>
References: <C8055F63-C1BA-463D-8042-34293386F924@gmail.com>
	<9fb36ec9-136e-04bd-7277-02dcbd874882@blomand.net>
Message-ID: <F018F074-FF17-4099-BBE3-32BB098AD871@gmail.com>

Hey Bob,
Long time.
I actually used the Jupiter you and I talked about awhile back to listen before going ?live?.
I don?t have the wider filter yet, still looking for a 15kHz filter.  The guy I bought it from pulled the 6kHz, not a big deal as I am going to get the 15kHz someday.
The hole is still there to I can easily add it soon.
de Frank KG9H


> On Jul 12, 2019, at 8:32 PM, Bob McGraw K4TAX <rmcgraw at blomand.net> wrote:
> 
> First, how have you determined that you will need EQ for AM? With the stock SSB filter you won't get AM to sound good.  And with the 6 kHz AM filter, that depends largely on the type of mike being used and your mike technique.   I  use the same mike and mike technique and EQ for SSB as I do for AM.   Yes there are separate EQ settings stored for SSB and for AM.   I use the 6 kHz filter for AM and get excellent audio reports.
> 
> I find the better way to evaluate ones audio is to use a 2nd receiver and record the audio from that receiver while transmitting into a dummy load.   I use Audacity as a free recording application.    Then playback and listen.  Judge for yourself what sounds good.  Others may have poor hearing, bad room acoustics, and no telling how their receiver is adjusted.   Don't bother to use headphones and the monitor system as it will not be true due to bone conduction of sound through ones head.   {Radio guys use headphones to hear network cues and end of music or other program material, etc. and  not to listen to themselves.  Unless they have a giant ego. }
> 
> If you should ask on the air about your AM audio and EQ within an AM group, you'll receive as many comments as there are stations on the frequency plus 1.
> 
> 73
> 
> Bob, K4TAX
> 
> 
> 
> On 7/12/2019 6:07 PM, Frank Krozel wrote:
>> So let me start out by saying I am a CW guy but listen to the AM guys on the weekends.
>> Reminds me of when I just got into ham radio back in 1968. They guys were on 1805 here in Chicago area.
>> 
>> I have not yet bought the 13kHz filter so I am strapped with what I have in it now, stock.
>> 
>> Can anyone tell me how to set-up the transmit  TX EQ for AM?
>> 
>> As I understand it, the EQ set-ups are specific for SSB and AM, separately.
>> 
>> I have SSB set-up where I have presence but just cannot get AM to sound good.
>> 
>> de Frank KG9H
>> 
> 
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From gliderboy1955 at yahoo.com  Fri Jul 12 22:13:48 2019
From: gliderboy1955 at yahoo.com (eric norris)
Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2019 02:13:48 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] The Night of Nights
References: <924889086.1247043.1562984028245.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <924889086.1247043.1562984028245@mail.yahoo.com>

Tonight is the 20th anniversary of the end of marine radiotelegraphy.? You can listen in to the activities detailed below.? KFS is currently booming in here on 12MHz on my K3.
Maritime Radio Historical Society  
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73, Eric WD6DBM

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From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Fri Jul 12 22:14:50 2019
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2019 19:14:50 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] ALC implementation
In-Reply-To: <AM5P189MB03870A7EA5FFD185A1665E07B5F20@AM5P189MB0387.EURP189.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
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	<0094CBA5-37DF-420B-97F9-CBF996CC03D3@blomand.net>
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Message-ID: <28e2deda-32c0-342e-eb61-c315f3e7dd59@audiosystemsgroup.com>

A common cause of incidental AM is ripple in the crystal filter(s) in 
use. One reason I went to the 2.8 kHz filter was that it had less 
ripple, and the difference was obvious on RTTY.

73, Jim K9YC

On 7/12/2019 3:45 PM, Conrad PA5Y wrote:
> It should be mentioned that FT8 and JT65 are constant envelope and therefore there should not be any AF envelope to follow. Actually when I recently measured the AF output from WSJT-X there was a tiny amount of AM, around 1.4% in fact which so small as to be of no consequence.



From b.denley at comcast.net  Fri Jul 12 23:53:49 2019
From: b.denley at comcast.net (Brian Denley)
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2019 23:53:49 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] ALC implementation
In-Reply-To: <c4107749-578f-7771-3a5a-a4a1de8b47ca@triconet.org>
References: <BYAPR16MB29689908D054057A50C54C218CFC0@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
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	C0@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
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	<E1B725FA-3AD4-4D1C-844B-9546D7677B48@comcast.net>
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Nothing when that?s what you want.  But using ALC to control xcvr power is uncontrolled compression that may or may not be desired.  

Brian
KB1VBF
Sent from my iPad

> On Jul 12, 2019, at 4:09 PM, Wes <wes_n7ws at triconet.org> wrote:
> 
> And what exactly is the problem with compression?  It's used all over the place.
> 
> Wes  N7WS
> 
>> On 6/28/2019 11:38 AM, Brian Denley wrote:
>> I have always thought that ALC is not appropriate for power control.  It?s a protection system.  Over use of ALC acts like compression.  No?
>> 
>> Brian
>> KB1VBF
>> Sent from my iPad
> 
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From wes_n7ws at triconet.org  Sat Jul 13 00:32:22 2019
From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes)
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2019 21:32:22 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] ALC implementation
In-Reply-To: <4041BD1B-E331-404C-99DE-37111389F21F@comcast.net>
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You do know that the K3(S) uses a slow ALC system for power control don't you?

Wes? N7WS

On 7/12/2019 8:53 PM, Brian Denley wrote:
> Nothing when that?s what you want.  But using ALC to control xcvr power is uncontrolled compression that may or may not be desired.
>
> Brian
> KB1VBF
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On Jul 12, 2019, at 4:09 PM, Wes <wes_n7ws at triconet.org> wrote:
>>
>> And what exactly is the problem with compression?  It's used all over the place.
>>
>> Wes  N7WS
>>
>>> On 6/28/2019 11:38 AM, Brian Denley wrote:
>>> I have always thought that ALC is not appropriate for power control.  It?s a protection system.  Over use of ALC acts like compression.  No?
>>>
>>> Brian
>>> KB1VBF
>>> Sent from my iPad
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From b.denley at comcast.net  Sat Jul 13 00:47:18 2019
From: b.denley at comcast.net (Brian Denley)
Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2019 00:47:18 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] ALC implementation
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Wes:
Yes but I assume you have have used or use other xcvrs as well.  As a general comment, that doesn?t change the idea that using ALC to control a xcvr?s power to one?s linear isn?t the purpose of ALC and would seem to not be a very healthy practice.   If one were to choose that path, then one should be mindful that the result acts much like compression.  In some cases, lots of compression!

Brian Denley
KB1VBF
Sent from my iPad

> On Jul 13, 2019, at 12:32 AM, Wes <wes_n7ws at triconet.org> wrote:
> 
> You do know that the K3(S) uses a slow ALC system for power control don't you?
> 
> Wes  N7WS
> 
>> On 7/12/2019 8:53 PM, Brian Denley wrote:
>> Nothing when that?s what you want.  But using ALC to control xcvr power is uncontrolled compression that may or may not be desired.
>> 
>> Brian
>> KB1VBF
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>> On Jul 12, 2019, at 4:09 PM, Wes <wes_n7ws at triconet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> And what exactly is the problem with compression?  It's used all over the place.
>>> 
>>> Wes  N7WS
>>> 
>>>> On 6/28/2019 11:38 AM, Brian Denley wrote:
>>>> I have always thought that ALC is not appropriate for power control.  It?s a protection system.  Over use of ALC acts like compression.  No?
>>>> 
>>>> Brian
>>>> KB1VBF
>>>> Sent from my iPad
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From richard.corfield at gmail.com  Sat Jul 13 03:35:05 2019
From: richard.corfield at gmail.com (Richard Corfield)
Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2019 08:35:05 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] ALC implementation
In-Reply-To: <e6b46af6-60a5-2154-c2f3-43392dbcc097@triconet.org>
References: <BYAPR16MB29689908D054057A50C54C218CFC0@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
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The compression modulates the signal. That will have a fourier transform of
its own. If we think of it as a simple amplitude modulation then, as for AM
signals, the spectrum of the original signal will be combined (convolved)
with upper and lower sidebands representing the spectrum of the compressor.
Our ears don't notice (unless we're sound guys listening to a pop song
thinking "They've squashed those dynamics to death" ;-) ) but maybe a
digital mode will.

The transmitted signal is constrained to the IF passband so you stay within
band. The compression frequencies and hopefully amplitude are both small so
the artefacts it introduces into the spectrum should also be both narrow
and small.

 - Richard


On Fri, 12 Jul 2019 at 22:01, Wes <wes_n7ws at triconet.org> wrote:

> What distortion?
>
> On 7/12/2019 1:15 PM, Jim Rhodes wrote:
> > Nothing when it is done correctly on a mode that can stand the
> distortion. I
> > personally won't use it on digital modes as my rigs tend to turn it off
> by
> > default.
> >
> > Jim Rhodes
> > K0XU
> >
> > On Fri, Jul 12, 2019, 15:10 Wes <wes_n7ws at triconet.org
> > <mailto:wes_n7ws at triconet.org>> wrote:
> >
> >     And what exactly is the problem with compression?  It's used all
> over the
> >     place.
> >
> >     Wes  N7WS
> >
> >     On 6/28/2019 11:38 AM, Brian Denley wrote:
> >     > I have always thought that ALC is not appropriate for power
> control.
> >     It?s a protection system.  Over use of ALC acts like compression.
> No?
> >     >
> >     > Brian
> >     > KB1VBF
> >     > Sent from my iPad
> >
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From gm3sek at ifwtech.co.uk  Sat Jul 13 06:08:50 2019
From: gm3sek at ifwtech.co.uk (Ian White GM3SEK)
Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2019 11:08:50 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] ALC implementation
In-Reply-To: <CAHt1TPUh7UuDb_Khqqbd7qfAK5MztUdVjXdCQ4AOymZD_vo7Tw@mail.gmail.com>
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From gm3sek at ifwtech.co.uk  Sat Jul 13 07:27:13 2019
From: gm3sek at ifwtech.co.uk (Ian White GM3SEK)
Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2019 12:27:13 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] ALC implementation
In-Reply-To: <CAHt1TPUh7UuDb_Khqqbd7qfAK5MztUdVjXdCQ4AOymZD_vo7Tw@mail.gmail.com>
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The original concept of ALC was devised by Collins engineers as part of 
their development program for speech processing. Speech clipping 
flattens the peak amplitude, but also introduces some splatter which 
then has to be filtered out - but the filtering re-introduces a small 
amount of level variation (called 're-peaking'). Collins then added a 
very small amount of ALC, only 2-3dB, to keep the peak envelope power 
more constant. This mild ALC introduced very little additional splatter 
of its own, so the result was a large increase in intelligibility with 
very little increase in bandwidth.

Where ALC got a bad name was when other manufacturers started mis-using 
it for other purposes - in particular for manual power control from 100W 
down to 1W or less. ALC was also being used to compensate for variations 
in TX gain between different bands. All of this required much more gain 
in the control loop (20-30dB) which made teh ALC much more aggressive 
and created major problems with transient behavior - in other words, 
quite serious splatter due to the ALC system itself.

Then someone decided it would be a good idea to apply ALC from the power 
amplifier, thus wrapping an external control loop around the existing 
ALC loop within the transceiver, so the transient behavior became 
totally unpredictable. Add to this the tendency of many hams to 
perpetually overdrive their transmitters while *also* applying speech 
processing, and the result was that both ALC and speech processing got a 
very bad name.

Enter the K3. With a little persuasion from early adopters, Elecraft 
returned to the original Collins concept of applying only a small amount 
of ALC to minimise re-peaking *without* significantly re-introducing 
splatter. The SDR concept allowed other means to be used to implement 
the non-dynamic power control functions such as manual power setting and 
TX gain compensation. When correctly configured according to the User 
Manual, the K3 family of transceivers are capable of excellent speech 
processing without worrying about also creating splatter. (Also note 
that speech processing is automatically disabled for data modes.)

As far as I know, there is still no other manufacturer who is doing this.

References:

[1] W E Sabin and E O Schoenike (Collins), 'Single-Sideband Systems and 
Circuits'. McGraw-Hill Book Company 1987. ISBN 0-07-054407-7

[2] Leif ?sbrink, SM5BSZ (http://sm5bsz.com), ?Real Life Dynamic Range 
of Modern Amateur Transceivers? and ?Speech Processing for SSB 
Transmitters?.

73 from Ian GM3SEK


On 13/07/2019 08:35, Richard Corfield wrote:
> The compression modulates the signal. That will have a fourier transform of
> its own. If we think of it as a simple amplitude modulation then, as for AM
> signals, the spectrum of the original signal will be combined (convolved)
> with upper and lower sidebands representing the spectrum of the compressor.
> Our ears don't notice (unless we're sound guys listening to a pop song
> thinking "They've squashed those dynamics to death" ;-) ) but maybe a
> digital mode will.
>
> The transmitted signal is constrained to the IF passband so you stay within
> band. The compression frequencies and hopefully amplitude are both small so
> the artefacts it introduces into the spectrum should also be both narrow
> and small.
>
>   - Richard
>
>

From w2blc at nycap.rr.com  Sat Jul 13 09:36:42 2019
From: w2blc at nycap.rr.com (Bill)
Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2019 09:36:42 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] The Night of Nights
In-Reply-To: <924889086.1247043.1562984028245@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <924889086.1247043.1562984028245@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <a6fb7d2e-7015-fbab-8ea6-52f79e08d65d@nycap.rr.com>

It sure would have been nice to have heard about this before it became 
OLD NEWS. If there was an announcement made here, I never saw it.

Not everyone is plugged into to every nook and cranny of the radio 
world. A small timely announcement of this event would have been 
appreciated - by me and probably by others also.

I interviewed at WCC in the 70s and was offered a job. I declined - 
fortunately. I have to say the entire operation was a step back in time 
- even then. It was like being in the 40s as soon as you entered the door.

Sorry to have missed this event.

Bill W2BLC


From johnae5x at gmail.com  Sat Jul 13 10:38:06 2019
From: johnae5x at gmail.com (John Harper)
Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2019 09:38:06 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Night of Nights XXI - 12 July 2020
Message-ID: <CAPHmH=OhAnN7fazrW0E8xPznh0engpThxjK64j3K0Ps493kK8Q@mail.gmail.com>

July 12 every year from 3 pm to midnight at the Historic RCA Coast Station
KPH.

Details here:
https://www.nps.gov/pore/planyourvisit/events_nightofnights.htm

John AE5X
https://ae5x.blogspot.com

From k9ma at sdellington.us  Sat Jul 13 12:31:20 2019
From: k9ma at sdellington.us (K9MA)
Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2019 11:31:20 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] ALC implementation
In-Reply-To: <a43a704c-6cab-4459-1d96-a8878f50b578@triconet.org>
References: <BYAPR16MB29689908D054057A50C54C218CFC0@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
	<BYAPR16MB2968B1EB024C91431474040F8CF
	C0@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
	<CALhxr4Y33bK=vqk-smqZmxCv9F+aOUR5UabRgxS1e6yQbdzwXg@mail.gmail.com>
	<E1B725FA-3AD4-4D1C-844B-9546D7677B48@comcast.net>
	<c4107749-578f-7771-3a5a-a4a1de8b47ca@triconet.org>
	<4041BD1B-E331-404C-99DE-37111389F21F@comcast.net>
	<a43a704c-6cab-4459-1d96-a8878f50b578@triconet.org>
Message-ID: <a5a37d1c-fa3a-7266-04af-3623ea377abc@sdellington.us>

I like to think of ALC as receiver AGC in reverse. Done properly, it 
results in minimal distortion while keeping the signal level nearly 
constant.? As far as I can tell, commercial transceivers have all been 
doing this pretty well for a long time.

What I've never been able to figure out is why it's so hard to close the 
ALC loop around an external amplifier. If it works with the 100 W 
amplifier built into the transceiver, why won't it work with a bigger 
amplifier? (And it seems about universally agreed that it won't.)

73,
Scott K9MA


On 7/12/2019 23:32, Wes wrote:
> You do know that the K3(S) uses a slow ALC system for power control 
> don't you?
>
> Wes? N7WS
>
> On 7/12/2019 8:53 PM, Brian Denley wrote:
>> Nothing when that?s what you want.? But using ALC to control xcvr 
>> power is uncontrolled compression that may or may not be desired.
>>
>> Brian
>> KB1VBF
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>>> On Jul 12, 2019, at 4:09 PM, Wes <wes_n7ws at triconet.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> And what exactly is the problem with compression?? It's used all 
>>> over the place.
>>>
>>> Wes? N7WS
>>>
>>>> On 6/28/2019 11:38 AM, Brian Denley wrote:
>>>> I have always thought that ALC is not appropriate for power 
>>>> control.? It?s a protection system.? Over use of ALC acts like 
>>>> compression.? No?
>>>>
>>>> Brian
>>>> KB1VBF
>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>> ______________________________________________________________ 

-- 
Scott  K9MA

k9ma at sdellington.us


From k9ztv at socket.net  Sat Jul 13 12:40:17 2019
From: k9ztv at socket.net (KENT TRIMBLE)
Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2019 11:40:17 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] The Night of Nights
In-Reply-To: <a6fb7d2e-7015-fbab-8ea6-52f79e08d65d@nycap.rr.com>
References: <924889086.1247043.1562984028245@mail.yahoo.com>
	<a6fb7d2e-7015-fbab-8ea6-52f79e08d65d@nycap.rr.com>
Message-ID: <2ddd433a-2238-23f9-b0af-e8436d855b81@socket.net>

Bill . . .

It's been going on for 20 years every July 12th, and I saw announcements 
on at least 4 reflectors.

Put it on your calendar for next year so you won't miss it.

Also, a donation to keep them on the air would also be appropriate (as 
many of us do).

73,

Kent? K9ZTV


On 7/13/2019 8:36 AM, Bill wrote:
> It sure would have been nice to have heard about this before it became 
> OLD NEWS. If there was an announcement made here, I never saw it.
>
> Not everyone is plugged into to every nook and cranny of the radio 
> world. A small timely announcement of this event would have been 
> appreciated - by me and probably by others also.
>
> I interviewed at WCC in the 70s and was offered a job. I declined - 
> fortunately. I have to say the entire operation was a step back in 
> time - even then. It was like being in the 40s as soon as you entered 
> the door.
>
> Sorry to have missed this event.
>
> Bill W2BLC
>
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From huntinhmb at coastside.net  Sat Jul 13 14:47:32 2019
From: huntinhmb at coastside.net (Brian Hunt)
Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2019 11:47:32 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] The Night of Nights
In-Reply-To: <924889086.1247043.1562984028245@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <924889086.1247043.1562984028245.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<924889086.1247043.1562984028245@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <82470D70-3555-4D62-8C60-6EF9843D6161@coastside.net>

They are also QRV each Saturday starting about 1830z. K6KPH is workable too. See www.radiomarine.org for times and frequencies. 

73,
Brian, K0DTJ

From k6dgw at foothill.net  Sat Jul 13 15:50:39 2019
From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen)
Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2019 12:50:39 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] The Night of Nights
In-Reply-To: <a6fb7d2e-7015-fbab-8ea6-52f79e08d65d@nycap.rr.com>
References: <924889086.1247043.1562984028245@mail.yahoo.com>
	<a6fb7d2e-7015-fbab-8ea6-52f79e08d65d@nycap.rr.com>
Message-ID: <1d0208d4-c044-496e-8efb-09c94d0a74bf@foothill.net>

I'm pretty sure it was posted here on the Elecraft list as well as 
CWops, NASOTA, and many club lists. KPH and a number of other museum 
stations and ships gather on maritime MF and HF frequencies on the night 
of 12 July each year at 0001 GMT, one minute after the final broadcast 
~20 years ago.? One of the only nights you can hear activity on the Holy 
Frequency which is eerily silent the rest of the year.? K6KPH comes up 
on 3550 kcs, 7050 kcs, 14050 kcs, and several frequencies in the WARC 
bands and will accept traffic and signal reports.

KPH will accept messages addressed to anyone who has an email address.? 
They send it as a PDF on an authentic radiogram form from KPH's heyday.? 
You must format it in "commercial style" which is a bit different than 
amateur NTS format.? Check out the Marine Historical Radio Society 
[radiomarine.org] and look at the latest news letter.? It is formatted 
as a commercial message [note: CODH is one of several message classes, 
it means "company deadhead", a non-revenue message within the company.? 
Your message would normally be class "P"].? Kind of a neat way to send 
birthday and other greetings.

KPH/K6KPH is staffed on most Saturday afternoons from about 1800 to 
2200-2300 GMT.? They begin with PX [press], and then start their wheel 
and look for ships.? K6KPH usually comes up when the PX finishes.

73,
Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

On 7/13/2019 6:36 AM, Bill wrote:
> It sure would have been nice to have heard about this before it became 
> OLD NEWS. If there was an announcement made here, I never saw it.
>
> Not everyone is plugged into to every nook and cranny of the radio 
> world. A small timely announcement of this event would have been 
> appreciated - by me and probably by others also.
>
> I interviewed at WCC in the 70s and was offered a job. I declined - 
> fortunately. I have to say the entire operation was a step back in 
> time - even then. It was like being in the 40s as soon as you entered 
> the door.
>
> Sorry to have missed this event.
>
> Bill W2BLC


From km6cq at km6cq.com  Sat Jul 13 20:25:57 2019
From: km6cq at km6cq.com (Dan Baker)
Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2019 17:25:57 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 IQ out.
Message-ID: <CADH=N1vdvz6Dbu+_w63ZzQ3WmfQ34SgMetHQaJstvivvWWnnLg@mail.gmail.com>

Good afternoon.
Will the IQ out of the K4 be analog or digital?

73,   Dan  KM6CQ

From vy1ja at northwestel.net  Sun Jul 14 04:09:16 2019
From: vy1ja at northwestel.net (VY1JA)
Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2019 01:09:16 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] No output on CW with K3
In-Reply-To: <b64lf61b1501vkmme5vs2ms1i22nhaneu3@4ax.com>
References: <4CFA5143.5020400@verizon.net>
	<b64lf61b1501vkmme5vs2ms1i22nhaneu3@4ax.com>
Message-ID: <1563091756013-0.post@n2.nabble.com>

The YCCCN Remote OPs group (VY1AAA) uses the K3S at this site (VY1JA) and
reported the same problem but only on Six meters.  The K3s is working
perfectly on all other bands.
It has been confirmed that the CONFIG does not redirect TX output  and tests
on TUNE show good output on 6 and low antenna SWR there.  As soon as this
unit is switched to CW  on 6 and keyed, there is no output.

Next troubleshooting steps for getting this GG for the RemoteOps?
TNX,
J., VY1JA



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From nr4c at widomaker.com  Sun Jul 14 07:20:20 2019
From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c)
Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2019 07:20:20 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] No output on CW with K3
In-Reply-To: <1563091756013-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <4CFA5143.5020400@verizon.net>
	<b64lf61b1501vkmme5vs2ms1i22nhaneu3@4ax.com>
	<1563091756013-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <2D1DB573-EBE4-4DD0-A9EE-72A5BD46F70A@widomaker.com>

Make sure BOX is ON on all bands. 

Make sure not in TEST mode on bands with no CW out. 

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill


> On Jul 14, 2019, at 4:09 AM, VY1JA <vy1ja at northwestel.net> wrote:
> 
> The YCCCN Remote OPs group (VY1AAA) uses the K3S at this site (VY1JA) and
> reported the same problem but only on Six meters.  The K3s is working
> perfectly on all other bands.
> It has been confirmed that the CONFIG does not redirect TX output  and tests
> on TUNE show good output on 6 and low antenna SWR there.  As soon as this
> unit is switched to CW  on 6 and keyed, there is no output.
> 
> Next troubleshooting steps for getting this GG for the RemoteOps?
> TNX,
> J., VY1JA
> 
> 
> 
> --
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From k9ztv at socket.net  Sun Jul 14 07:56:26 2019
From: k9ztv at socket.net (K9ZTV)
Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2019 06:56:26 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] No output on CW with K3
In-Reply-To: <2D1DB573-EBE4-4DD0-A9EE-72A5BD46F70A@widomaker.com>
References: <4CFA5143.5020400@verizon.net>
	<b64lf61b1501vkmme5vs2ms1i22nhaneu3@4ax.com>
	<1563091756013-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<2D1DB573-EBE4-4DD0-A9EE-72A5BD46F70A@widomaker.com>
Message-ID: <556A3C7F-7616-4F6C-9BEA-37287DF7E533@socket.net>

He means VOX.

K9ZTV

> On Jul 14, 2019, at 6:20 AM, Nr4c <nr4c at widomaker.com> wrote:
> 
> Make sure BOX is ON on all bands. 
> 
> Make sure not in TEST mode on bands with no CW out. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> ...nr4c. bill
> 
> 
>> On Jul 14, 2019, at 4:09 AM, VY1JA <vy1ja at northwestel.net> wrote:
>> 
>> The YCCCN Remote OPs group (VY1AAA) uses the K3S at this site (VY1JA) and
>> reported the same problem but only on Six meters.  The K3s is working
>> perfectly on all other bands.
>> It has been confirmed that the CONFIG does not redirect TX output  and tests
>> on TUNE show good output on 6 and low antenna SWR there.  As soon as this
>> unit is switched to CW  on 6 and keyed, there is no output.
>> 
>> Next troubleshooting steps for getting this GG for the RemoteOps?
>> TNX,
>> J., VY1JA
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/
>> ______________________________________________________________
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From skavanagh72 at yahoo.ca  Sun Jul 14 11:43:51 2019
From: skavanagh72 at yahoo.ca (Steve Kavanagh)
Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2019 15:43:51 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] Any problems with this 6m setup with KPA500?
Message-ID: <463305015.1652924.1563119031986@mail.yahoo.com>

A few of us are planning an multi-operator operation for next weekend's CQ WW VHF contest, cobbling together equipment from different places.  I am wondering if there are any potential issues (most likely with switching timing) with the following potential setup for six metres:

Radio: K2 (QRP+KXV60, with ground-on-transmit T/R keying output), 8R hold ON, with some reasonable release time for semi-break-in CW) 

Transverter: homebrew, 10 watts out max., relay switched, but the relay is faster than the K2, so no sequencer needed normally

Intermediate amplifier: an ancient Lunar 6M10-120P, which is an RF-sensed only (no T/R input available) 100-watt class amp, with K2 drive set to give around 30 watts output.  Up to this point the setup has been tested and works fine.

Final amplifier: KPA500

I'd plan on adding a second T/R output from the K2 somehow, so the transverter and KPA500 can be keyed at the same time.

Modes of operation: CW, SSB, FT8, FT4?, MSK144.

I haven't quite got my head around what would happen on non-CW modes where the release delay for the T/R output is zero.  In this case the transverter and KPA500 will switch from transmit to receive before the intermediate amplifier does (using its own internal delay timing).  Is that likely to cause any issues?  Any other timing problems you can think of?  Do I need a sequencer?

Would the KPA500 survive 100 watts input if, for some reason, the drive level is set too high by mistake?  My understanding is that it should initially switch in an attenuator and then hard-fault (switch to straight-through operation).  Correct?

73,
Steve VE3SMA

From kevinr at coho.net  Sun Jul 14 12:11:06 2019
From: kevinr at coho.net (kevinr)
Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2019 09:11:06 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Announcement
Message-ID: <d647535c-8312-b065-566d-5325afd2ac27@coho.net>

Good Morning,


Please join us on:

14050 kHz at 2200z Sunday (3 PM PDT Sunday)
 ?7047 kHz at 0000z Monday (5 PM PDT Sunday)

73,
Kevin. KD5ONS


_


From jerryc107 at comcast.net  Sun Jul 14 14:22:53 2019
From: jerryc107 at comcast.net (jerry)
Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2019 13:22:53 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 fan won't shut off
Message-ID: <03bcfc73-3cf0-c3ce-46db-8a9b508acbeb@comcast.net>

After yesterdays contest, I noticed this morning that the KPA500 fan was 
still running at a high speed even though the amp had been turned off 
all night by using the front "on" button.? The only way the fan stops 
running is if I turn the amp on with the front switch or if I shut the 
amp off by using the rear on/off switch. Menu setting for Fan is set to 
normal. Any ideas?


From k9yeq at live.com  Sun Jul 14 14:34:34 2019
From: k9yeq at live.com (Bill Johnson)
Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2019 18:34:34 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 fan won't shut off
In-Reply-To: <03bcfc73-3cf0-c3ce-46db-8a9b508acbeb@comcast.net>
References: <03bcfc73-3cf0-c3ce-46db-8a9b508acbeb@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <MWHPR18MB131143707511FE84EBAF52FC9CCC0@MWHPR18MB1311.namprd18.prod.outlook.com>

Try reloading your saved firmware. Could be an internal error which can happen.  Reloading firmware, preferably one you have saved will correct the error.

72 & 73,
Bill
K9YEQ
FT?er for K2, KX1, KX3, KXPA100,  KAT500, W2, etc. 

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2019 1:23 PM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 fan won't shut off

After yesterdays contest, I noticed this morning that the KPA500 fan was still running at a high speed even though the amp had been turned off all night by using the front "on" button.? The only way the fan stops running is if I turn the amp on with the front switch or if I shut the amp off by using the rear on/off switch. Menu setting for Fan is set to normal. Any ideas?

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From jackbrindle at me.com  Sun Jul 14 14:35:22 2019
From: jackbrindle at me.com (Jack Brindle)
Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2019 11:35:22 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 fan won't shut off
In-Reply-To: <03bcfc73-3cf0-c3ce-46db-8a9b508acbeb@comcast.net>
References: <03bcfc73-3cf0-c3ce-46db-8a9b508acbeb@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <448077E8-62C8-4C3C-809F-C6F5F0DECA91@me.com>

That means the power is not shutting off. We bleed off the capacitor charge through the fan at front panel shutdown, which is why you hear the fan run for normally a short time. 
Turn off the KPA using the rear pane switch and call tech support in the morning. They need to look into this one.

73!
Jack, W6FB


> On Jul 14, 2019, at 11:22 AM, jerry <jerryc107 at comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> After yesterdays contest, I noticed this morning that the KPA500 fan was still running at a high speed even though the amp had been turned off all night by using the front "on" button.  The only way the fan stops running is if I turn the amp on with the front switch or if I shut the amp off by using the rear on/off switch. Menu setting for Fan is set to normal. Any ideas?
> 
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From kkinderen at gmail.com  Sun Jul 14 14:55:55 2019
From: kkinderen at gmail.com (Kevin, N4TT)
Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2019 14:55:55 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 fan won't shut off
In-Reply-To: <448077E8-62C8-4C3C-809F-C6F5F0DECA91@me.com>
References: <03bcfc73-3cf0-c3ce-46db-8a9b508acbeb@comcast.net>
	<448077E8-62C8-4C3C-809F-C6F5F0DECA91@me.com>
Message-ID: <CAFA9ujtpYTBhoWR542_ZSBjmgSP_Qd7Vzk22xn_cCvO6V6QMOg@mail.gmail.com>

Jerry:

Maybe clarify. I think Jack's concern is that your fan was running even
with the power off.  That's not the case, right? The fan just came back on
full when you turned the power back on?

Try Menu, scroll down to FAN CTL and make sure that say NOR. If it has a
number instead, you somehow accidentally set the fan on at that speed. Just
use the down arrows to get back to NOR. This is all done on the front panel
of the KPA500. Hope it helps.

73,
Kev N4TT

On Sun, Jul 14, 2019 at 2:38 PM Jack Brindle via Elecraft <
elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:

> That means the power is not shutting off. We bleed off the capacitor
> charge through the fan at front panel shutdown, which is why you hear the
> fan run for normally a short time.
> Turn off the KPA using the rear pane switch and call tech support in the
> morning. They need to look into this one.
>
> 73!
> Jack, W6FB
>
>
> > On Jul 14, 2019, at 11:22 AM, jerry <jerryc107 at comcast.net> wrote:
> >
> > After yesterdays contest, I noticed this morning that the KPA500 fan was
> still running at a high speed even though the amp had been turned off all
> night by using the front "on" button.  The only way the fan stops running
> is if I turn the amp on with the front switch or if I shut the amp off by
> using the rear on/off switch. Menu setting for Fan is set to normal. Any
> ideas?
> >
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From jackbrindle at me.com  Sun Jul 14 14:59:02 2019
From: jackbrindle at me.com (Jack Brindle)
Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2019 11:59:02 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 fan won't shut off
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The KPA runs a check on the memory contents when it starts up. If something has changed that should not, then it will ask for a fresh firmware load. Since Jerry is not seeing this, then I don?t believe there is a firmware issue. 

I _am_ concerned about the issue, which is why I suggest calling tech support when they open tomorrow. This has the feel of a stuck relay on the power supply board, but I am sure my friends in Watsonville will have a better idea as to what might be happening.

73!
Jack, W6FB
Elecraft Engineering

> On Jul 14, 2019, at 11:34 AM, Bill Johnson <k9yeq at live.com> wrote:
> 
> Try reloading your saved firmware. Could be an internal error which can happen.  Reloading firmware, preferably one you have saved will correct the error.
> 
> 72 & 73,
> Bill
> K9YEQ
> FT?er for K2, KX1, KX3, KXPA100,  KAT500, W2, etc. 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On Behalf Of jerry
> Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2019 1:23 PM
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 fan won't shut off
> 
> After yesterdays contest, I noticed this morning that the KPA500 fan was still running at a high speed even though the amp had been turned off all night by using the front "on" button.  The only way the fan stops running is if I turn the amp on with the front switch or if I shut the amp off by using the rear on/off switch. Menu setting for Fan is set to normal. Any ideas?
> 
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From dpbunte at gmail.com  Sun Jul 14 15:13:02 2019
From: dpbunte at gmail.com (David Bunte)
Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2019 15:13:02 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 fan won't shut off
In-Reply-To: <CAFA9ujtpYTBhoWR542_ZSBjmgSP_Qd7Vzk22xn_cCvO6V6QMOg@mail.gmail.com>
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Kevin -

As I read Jerry's post, I believe his fan was running even after the amp
had been shut off all night long... and the only way to get it to stop
running at full speed was to either turn the amp on... or turn off the
power switch on the rear. He also stated that the menu setting was set to
NOR, so I think Jack is on the right track to check with support.

Dave - K9FN

On Sun, Jul 14, 2019 at 2:57 PM Kevin, N4TT <kkinderen at gmail.com> wrote:

> Jerry:
>
> Maybe clarify. I think Jack's concern is that your fan was running even
> with the power off.  That's not the case, right? The fan just came back on
> full when you turned the power back on?
>
> Try Menu, scroll down to FAN CTL and make sure that say NOR. If it has a
> number instead, you somehow accidentally set the fan on at that speed. Just
> use the down arrows to get back to NOR. This is all done on the front panel
> of the KPA500. Hope it helps.
>
> 73,
> Kev N4TT
>
> On Sun, Jul 14, 2019 at 2:38 PM Jack Brindle via Elecraft <
> elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
>
> > That means the power is not shutting off. We bleed off the capacitor
> > charge through the fan at front panel shutdown, which is why you hear the
> > fan run for normally a short time.
> > Turn off the KPA using the rear pane switch and call tech support in the
> > morning. They need to look into this one.
> >
> > 73!
> > Jack, W6FB
> >
> >
> > > On Jul 14, 2019, at 11:22 AM, jerry <jerryc107 at comcast.net> wrote:
> > >
> > > After yesterdays contest, I noticed this morning that the KPA500 fan
> was
> > still running at a high speed even though the amp had been turned off all
> > night by using the front "on" button.  The only way the fan stops running
> > is if I turn the amp on with the front switch or if I shut the amp off by
> > using the rear on/off switch. Menu setting for Fan is set to normal. Any
> > ideas?
> > >
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From kkinderen at gmail.com  Sun Jul 14 16:06:05 2019
From: kkinderen at gmail.com (Kevin, N4TT)
Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2019 16:06:05 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 fan won't shut off
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	<448077E8-62C8-4C3C-809F-C6F5F0DECA91@me.com>
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Cool. I saw "turned off all night" and it surprised me the fan was left
running full speed the whole night.

I'm interested in the outcome.

Kev

On Sun, Jul 14, 2019, 3:13 PM David Bunte <dpbunte at gmail.com> wrote:

> Kevin -
>
> As I read Jerry's post, I believe his fan was running even after the amp
> had been shut off all night long... and the only way to get it to stop
> running at full speed was to either turn the amp on... or turn off the
> power switch on the rear. He also stated that the menu setting was set to
> NOR, so I think Jack is on the right track to check with support.
>
> Dave - K9FN
>
> On Sun, Jul 14, 2019 at 2:57 PM Kevin, N4TT <kkinderen at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Jerry:
>>
>> Maybe clarify. I think Jack's concern is that your fan was running even
>> with the power off.  That's not the case, right? The fan just came back on
>> full when you turned the power back on?
>>
>> Try Menu, scroll down to FAN CTL and make sure that say NOR. If it has a
>> number instead, you somehow accidentally set the fan on at that speed.
>> Just
>> use the down arrows to get back to NOR. This is all done on the front
>> panel
>> of the KPA500. Hope it helps.
>>
>> 73,
>> Kev N4TT
>>
>> On Sun, Jul 14, 2019 at 2:38 PM Jack Brindle via Elecraft <
>> elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
>>
>> > That means the power is not shutting off. We bleed off the capacitor
>> > charge through the fan at front panel shutdown, which is why you hear
>> the
>> > fan run for normally a short time.
>> > Turn off the KPA using the rear pane switch and call tech support in the
>> > morning. They need to look into this one.
>> >
>> > 73!
>> > Jack, W6FB
>> >
>> >
>> > > On Jul 14, 2019, at 11:22 AM, jerry <jerryc107 at comcast.net> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > After yesterdays contest, I noticed this morning that the KPA500 fan
>> was
>> > still running at a high speed even though the amp had been turned off
>> all
>> > night by using the front "on" button.  The only way the fan stops
>> running
>> > is if I turn the amp on with the front switch or if I shut the amp off
>> by
>> > using the rear on/off switch. Menu setting for Fan is set to normal. Any
>> > ideas?
>> > >
>> > > ______________________________________________________________
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From a.durbin at msn.com  Sun Jul 14 19:09:31 2019
From: a.durbin at msn.com (Andy Durbin)
Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2019 23:09:31 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 fan won't shut off
Message-ID: <BYAPR16MB2968175BB1D7A6596BCF1DBA8CCC0@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>

"the KPA500 fan was still running at a high speed even though the amp had been turned off all night by using the front "on" button.? The only way the fan stops running is if I turn the amp on with the front switch or if I shut the amp off by using the rear on/off switch. Menu setting for Fan is set to normal."

Yes, as Jack suggested, a stuck 60 V enable relay in the PSU fits the symptoms.

That leads to a question though - what does the firmware do if commanded to shutdown but 60 V never bleeds down?   I'm guessing it eventually times out or else the fans should have stayed at low speed trying to bleed down the 60 v supply.   I also assuming that, when the firmware shuts down, the fan speed control lines default to high speed setting.

When the KPA500 is next powered, but still off, the stuck 60 v enable provides power to the fan and the defaulted control lines make it run at high speed.  Once the firmware starts running it detects low PA temperature and sets all fan control lines to off.

Interesting puzzle.  Was there a prize?

73,
Andy, k3wyc

From jackbrindle at me.com  Sun Jul 14 20:03:25 2019
From: jackbrindle at me.com (Jack Brindle)
Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2019 17:03:25 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 fan won't shut off
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Dinner on Andy?

Your analysis is spot on. When the KPA is requested to shut down it does some housekeeping, saving various things and putting the amp into a safe condition, including setting the 60V to off. It then sets the fan for full speed operation to bleed off the 60V power and waits for the power button to be released. It finally resets into the boot loader. It does not monitor the 60V voltage at that point. It is an interesting observation that perhaps it should, but the question is then what to do about it. The only thing really is to throw a fault, which puts that amp into a safe mode, but we are already there.

As usual, Andy, you provide great things to think about. I?m not sure there is anything to do about this one, except find out why Jerry?s 60V power is stuck on.

73 and thanks!
Jack, W6FB


> On Jul 14, 2019, at 4:09 PM, Andy Durbin <a.durbin at msn.com> wrote:
> 
> "the KPA500 fan was still running at a high speed even though the amp had been turned off all night by using the front "on" button.  The only way the fan stops running is if I turn the amp on with the front switch or if I shut the amp off by using the rear on/off switch. Menu setting for Fan is set to normal."
> 
> Yes, as Jack suggested, a stuck 60 V enable relay in the PSU fits the symptoms.
> 
> That leads to a question though - what does the firmware do if commanded to shutdown but 60 V never bleeds down?   I'm guessing it eventually times out or else the fans should have stayed at low speed trying to bleed down the 60 v supply.   I also assuming that, when the firmware shuts down, the fan speed control lines default to high speed setting.
> 
> When the KPA500 is next powered, but still off, the stuck 60 v enable provides power to the fan and the defaulted control lines make it run at high speed.  Once the firmware starts running it detects low PA temperature and sets all fan control lines to off.
> 
> Interesting puzzle.  Was there a prize?
> 
> 73,
> Andy, k3wyc
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From ars.nc0jw at gmail.com  Sun Jul 14 20:38:21 2019
From: ars.nc0jw at gmail.com (Jim White NC0JW)
Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2019 18:38:21 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft SSB Net  Sunday July 14, 2019
Message-ID: <010E4480-4653-423F-8ECF-93351D96AD4F@gmail.com>

With our regular net control Eric WB9JNZ on vacation Steve WM6P stepped up to the plate as acting net control and hit it out of the park.  Great job Steve and thanks for taking the the net!

With propagation giving us extreme QSB and surprising short skip on 20 meters we recorded 22 check ins.

Propagation remains challenging and our relay stations continue to make a huge contribution.  Special thanks to all the relay stations noted below.

WM6P		Steve	GA		K3S		11453	Net control
K8NU		Carl		OH		K3S		10996	Remote check in via AC7AV
KB9AVO		Paul	IN		K3S		11103
N6JW		John	CA		K3		936		Relay station
WA5DSS		Bill		TX		K2/100	6743
W7QHD		Kurt		AZ		K2/100	1539
K9YEQ		Bill		WI		K3S		11140
KD0NBF		Chris	KS		Yaesu FT857D
K6VWE		Stan	MI		K3		650
NS7P		Phil		OR		K3		1826
W1DFB		Don		AZ		K3		2937
W4DML		Doug	TN		K3		6433
K7BRR		Bill		AZ		K3S		10939
KS6F		Guy		CA		K3S		10650
K7JG		John	WA		KX3		3519
K3DCC		Jim		NM		Flex 5000A
WA0BEU		Keith	CO		KX2		0440 	using Buddipole
W9PCS		Paul	WI		K3S		10752
K8TCS		Tad		MI		KX3
N4NRW		Roger	SC		Yaesu FTDX-5000 w/ KPA500 Relay Station
WA0AJF		Ron		IA		K3		5389
NC0JW		Jim		CO		KX3		1356	Relay station

The Elecraft SSB Net meets on Sunday at 1800 UTC on or about 14.3035 MHz.   With propagation at a low point we employ several relay stations located around the continental USA to assist with check ins.  As conditions permit we take questions and comments after check ins.

As regular Net Control Station Eric WB9JNZ in Chicago, IL. will be on a two week vacation please stop by when acting Net Control Steve WM6P kicks things off next Sunday.  It is always interesting to see what challenges the propagation gods will throw our way.

Jim White - NC0JW
ars.nc0jw at gmail.com







From a.durbin at msn.com  Sun Jul 14 21:53:53 2019
From: a.durbin at msn.com (Andy Durbin)
Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2019 01:53:53 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 fan won't shut off
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"It then sets the fan for full speed operation to bleed off the 60 V power and waits for the power button to be released."

I don't think fan is set to high speed to bleed down the 60 V supply.  I think it is set to low speed but may revert to high speed when the firmware shuts down with 60 V is still present.

Try this simple test - With KPA500 powered and On, use menu to set minimum fan speed 6.  Then shut down with the front panel On button.  Fan immediately reduces to speed 1 and holds speed 1 until it slows down as the  60 V supply bleeds down.

The firmware could detect that 60 V has not decayed below min monitor threshold and issue a fault.   That fault code could perhaps alert the operator to turn off the rear panel power switch and seek  assistance.  Better to be alerted at shutdown time than find the fans still running the next day.

There is a potential safety issue with a stuck 60 V enable relay.  The interlock switch is in the relay coil coil circuit and offers no protection if the relay is stuck on.

On the other hand - how often does the 60 V enable relay fail ....

73,
Andy, k3wyc



From mikek4qu at gmail.com  Sun Jul 14 23:15:37 2019
From: mikek4qu at gmail.com (Mike March)
Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2019 23:15:37 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] 6kHz Filter Install in K3
Message-ID: <CA+Z=FC6qNuZ6e5t2eoNUfq=j7DuQBc_eZExWYgbRLnn9Oro2BA@mail.gmail.com>

I am installing a 6kHz filter in a K3.
The current filters are in positions FL1, FL2 and FL3.
Do I need to move the other filters so the 6kHz is in the FL1 position?
Thanks in advance.

From ghyoungman at gmail.com  Sun Jul 14 23:27:49 2019
From: ghyoungman at gmail.com (Grant Youngman)
Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2019 23:27:49 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] 6kHz Filter Install in K3
In-Reply-To: <CA+Z=FC6qNuZ6e5t2eoNUfq=j7DuQBc_eZExWYgbRLnn9Oro2BA@mail.gmail.com>
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From the manual ? (K3S p 85 ? same rules apply to K3)

"Rule #2: You can install any filter in any slot, and can leave any slot empty in anticipation of installing a crystal filter there later. However, you should install the widest filter closest to FL1, the next widest to its left, etc. ?

So yes, you should move the filters.


Grant NQ5T
K3 #2091 KX3 #8342

> On Jul 14, 2019, at 11:15 PM, Mike March <mikek4qu at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I am installing a 6kHz filter in a K3.
> The current filters are in positions FL1, FL2 and FL3.
> Do I need to move the other filters so the 6kHz is in the FL1 position?
> Thanks in advance.
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From ai7r at mac.com  Mon Jul 15 11:57:45 2019
From: ai7r at mac.com (Dave Kelley)
Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2019 08:57:45 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Low power board in K3S - extra low?
Message-ID: <8A45D90B-CF6B-4495-956C-90000DE3C1E3@mac.com>

Hi gang,

When I bought my K3S line (all kits) 2.5 years ago I was one of those who screwed up and didn?t put the lock washer on the bottom transistors like it said in big bold letters.  As a result, I blew those transistors, or maybe something else on the board.   It was replaced (reconditioned board) but the new one didn?t work at full output on the upper bands (10-20 meters).  Worked fine on 40 where I operate 98% of the time.

The alignment program never made it past 15 meters.  Today I found the same basic results except the max output is now around 80 watts on 40 and 80.  So, I tightening the screws on the transistors and, the test now goes from top to bottom and every band has at least 50 watts now.  But it?s still topping off at 80 watts at best.

The RD15HVF1, what appears to be the drivers, looks to be under $10 each.   I think I?d like to try changing those out.  But I wanted to pass it by you guys to get some advice first.  Tips, tricks, does and don?ts.  Am I even barking up the right tree here?  I know, I?m an idiot for not reading the instructions better the first time. 

73

Dave, AI7R

PS - bought my K3S line on the last day of my prostate cancer radiation treatments.  Over two years later there is no sign of it!  Guys, get tested!! Silent keys we don?t need.

From wb6rse1 at mac.com  Mon Jul 15 13:41:12 2019
From: wb6rse1 at mac.com (wb6rse1 at mac.com)
Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2019 10:41:12 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] For Sale KPA500 KAT500
Message-ID: <18D37262-9756-4A1D-96B2-F5A5FCFB25C4@mac.com>

For Sale: 

Elecraft KPA500 HF+6 Power Amplifier - $1750.
KAT500 HF+6 auto-tuner - $525.
Both are in excellent condition. Pick up near Santa Monica, CA airport or plus insured shipping in factory boxes.

Please email me off list for additional details. USA only.

Tks & 73,

Steve
WB6RSE


From kevinr at coho.net  Mon Jul 15 14:16:18 2019
From: kevinr at coho.net (kevinr)
Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2019 11:16:18 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Report
Message-ID: <74eaaac2-7e77-c17a-5e57-454112d0c2d1@coho.net>

Good Morning,

 ??? I spent an hour hiking the property with another set of loggers.? 
Three times in one week; I am getting my exercise. Today it was wet so 
we didn't break trail through the vine maple. Following in the elk paths 
was good enough to let them see the work to be done.? After this 
thinning I'll be able to clear cut the place in about ten years.

 ?? Both of yesterday's nets were effected by persistent thunderstorms 
and deep QSB.? If you ride the QSB correctly I have a better chance of 
copying your call.? I gave one report of S1 to S7.? I was surprised to 
hear Steve's signal from Georgia.? I had expected the hurricane in 
Louisiana to be too noisy.? Working Rick in Alaska was also a plus.? 
Twenty meters worked pretty well. Forty meters was far more local with 
Idaho being DX. Unfortunately Roy won the highest temperature award.? 
With the high humidity the bugs must be hatching by the thousands.


 ? On 14050.5 kHz at 2200z:

NO8V - John - MI

KL7CW - Rick - AK

K0DTJ - Brian - CA

K4JPN - Steve - GA

K6XK - Roy - IA


 ? On 7047.5 kHz at 0000z:

K0DTJ - Brian - CA

W6JHB - Jim - CA

K6PJV - Dale - CA

WM5F - Dwight - ID


The sun sent us a CME which caused much of the QSB.? It also gave us a 
little stronger signals on the peaks as compared to last week.? During 
the solar doldrums any sort of ionic injection is appreciated.


Until next week 73,

 ??? Kevin.? KD5ONS


-


From w0agmike at gmail.com  Mon Jul 15 20:01:50 2019
From: w0agmike at gmail.com (Mike Murray)
Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2019 19:01:50 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] FS: K3/P3 combo and RemoteRigs
Message-ID: <CAP7zeE+ts2jiJByj+Ux27PVeUVNGLyHjvxxsQKEu0vy=45HNLg@mail.gmail.com>

I've decided to downsize the shack and will be selling the following:

*Original*
*Prices*
$2,149.95  K3/100-F    1     K3 100W Xcvr. (Factory assembled) Serial #3746
     329.95  KAT3-F       1     K3 ATU
     109.95  KXV3A        1     K3 RX Ant, IF Out & Xvrtr Int
     649.95  KRX3          1     K3 2nd RX
     125.95 KFL3A-400   1     K3 400 Hz, 8 pole filter  (Main RX)
     259.90 KFL3A-2.8K  2     K3 2.8 kHz, 8 pole filter (Main/Sub RX)
        749.95  P3-F K3 Panadapter (Factory assembled)
   *     129.95*  "Y-Box" by N6TV  15 pin parallel DE15 splitter and
breakout box
    $4,505.55

Complete price for all of the above is $2,550.00 and I'll deliver within
150 miles of Crossville, TN.  I can also ship, postage and insurance extra.
w0ag at arrl.net

I also have the Elecraft K3/0 mini and complete RemoteRig setups available
for the above.  Let me know if you're interested.
73,
Mike - W0AG

From k6xk at ncn.net  Tue Jul 16 08:12:57 2019
From: k6xk at ncn.net (Roy)
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2019 07:12:57 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Test
Message-ID: <a7c6313f-30e8-c41c-be98-d92ad0cca2a6@ncn.net>

New PC (and OM)



From nv4c.ian at gmail.com  Tue Jul 16 08:14:27 2019
From: nv4c.ian at gmail.com (Ian Kahn)
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2019 08:14:27 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Test
In-Reply-To: <a7c6313f-30e8-c41c-be98-d92ad0cca2a6@ncn.net>
References: <a7c6313f-30e8-c41c-be98-d92ad0cca2a6@ncn.net>
Message-ID: <CAN1Md6Fciaeu+BXVU_SJo0n49mopgyYGhCsf97mP9K5pn_Z11Q@mail.gmail.com>

Congratulations! You passed!  ;-)

73 de,

Ian, NV4C

On Tue, Jul 16, 2019, 8:13 AM Roy <k6xk at ncn.net> wrote:

> New PC (and OM)
>
>
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From ray2.s at btinternet.com  Tue Jul 16 11:05:13 2019
From: ray2.s at btinternet.com (Ray Spreadbury)
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2019 16:05:13 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 Mic Extender & Patch panel
Message-ID: <019a01d53be7$dede1c40$9c9a54c0$@btinternet.com>

Hi

I've just got my K2 out of its box where its been sitting for about 5 years
& I'm just checking things out!

I've found I fitted one of those boards from KI4GGX & WB2ART which enabled
you to easily configure the K2 mic wiring for different mics. Unfortunately
in the meantime I've mislaid the original documentation & cannot find it on
the Web. Heir site seems to have shutdown.

Can anyone let me know the jumper settings for the patch panel please?

73 Ray G3XLG 


From ko5v at earthlink.net  Tue Jul 16 12:48:33 2019
From: ko5v at earthlink.net (Jim KO5V)
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2019 10:48:33 -0600 (GMT-06:00)
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 Mic Extender & Patch panel
Message-ID: <1404176023.3423.1563295713508@wamui-duchess.atl.sa.earthlink.net>


From ko5v at earthlink.net  Tue Jul 16 13:10:46 2019
From: ko5v at earthlink.net (Jim KO5V)
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2019 11:10:46 -0600 (GMT-06:00)
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 Mic Extender & Patch panel
Message-ID: <1439117032.3516.1563297046592@wamui-duchess.atl.sa.earthlink.net>


From ko5v at earthlink.net  Tue Jul 16 13:25:46 2019
From: ko5v at earthlink.net (Jim KO5V)
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2019 11:25:46 -0600 (GMT-06:00)
Subject: [Elecraft] Test
Message-ID: <1899592490.6574.1563297947590@wamui-jasmine.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Test - my last two replies cane through without the message.

From ko5v at earthlink.net  Tue Jul 16 13:30:35 2019
From: ko5v at earthlink.net (Jim KO5V)
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2019 11:30:35 -0600 (GMT-06:00)
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 Mic Extender & Patch panel
Message-ID: <1141170962.6705.1563298236151@wamui-jasmine.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

My previous postings came into the list blank. I'll try again - again.

I found the decal and instruction, and can scan and copy them tonight. I"ll email them to your QRZ.com email address.

73, Jim  KO5V

From gtuck at mac.com  Tue Jul 16 13:56:54 2019
From: gtuck at mac.com (Gary Tuck)
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2019 10:56:54 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft]   testing
Message-ID: <D072F06A-30F4-49F1-AD72-98D7FA9F31F1@mac.com>

trying to find secret to posting.  I?ve been doing something wrong.

73, Gary  W7TEA

From dave at nk7z.net  Tue Jul 16 14:01:07 2019
From: dave at nk7z.net (Dave Cole)
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2019 11:01:07 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] testing
In-Reply-To: <D072F06A-30F4-49F1-AD72-98D7FA9F31F1@mac.com>
References: <D072F06A-30F4-49F1-AD72-98D7FA9F31F1@mac.com>
Message-ID: <f92478ce-7c2c-c9d4-fd9d-55e3afb4806b@nk7z.net>

Looks good now!

On 7/16/19 10:56 AM, Gary Tuck via Elecraft wrote:
> trying to find secret to posting.  I?ve been doing something wrong.
> 
> 73, Gary  W7TEA
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-- 
73, and thanks,
Dave (NK7Z)
https://www.nk7z.net
ARRL Technical Specialist
ARRL Volunteer Examiner
ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources

From ray2.s at btinternet.com  Tue Jul 16 14:54:45 2019
From: ray2.s at btinternet.com (Ray Spreadbury)
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2019 19:54:45 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 Mic Extender & Patch Panel
Message-ID: <020601d53c07$f07a1d30$d16e5790$@btinternet.com>

My thanks to both Don Wilhelm & Jim K05V for the info I was looking for

73 Ray G3XLG


From ww3s at zoominternet.net  Tue Jul 16 15:06:54 2019
From: ww3s at zoominternet.net (Jamie WW3S)
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2019 19:06:54 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] N6TV Y box for sale
Message-ID: <em15ecedaf-169d-4a1d-93b4-dc5d2f281a47@hamshack>

I have a gently used, like new, N6TV Y box for sale, 75.00, shipped to 
US zip , paypal ok.....

From gtuck at mac.com  Tue Jul 16 16:17:58 2019
From: gtuck at mac.com (Gary Tuck)
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2019 13:17:58 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft]  Serial port problems
Message-ID: <A4A92E77-2EE0-45C9-BD23-97113F5D01C8@mac.com>

For the first time I am having difficulties communicating with my K3/P3.  The only thing which has changed is an upgrade to the Mac OS.  Now running 10.14.5 Mohave.  I reinstalled the FTD driver for the serial cable, tried both my iMac and MacBook and neither finds the P3 responding. I have not been on the air for several months so I am not sure when the issue arose.

Has any had similar experiences and solved them?

73,
Gary W7TEA

From ve3nr at bell.net  Tue Jul 16 16:37:07 2019
From: ve3nr at bell.net (Bert)
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2019 16:37:07 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Serial port problems
In-Reply-To: <A4A92E77-2EE0-45C9-BD23-97113F5D01C8@mac.com>
References: <A4A92E77-2EE0-45C9-BD23-97113F5D01C8@mac.com>
Message-ID: <21a8c581-3181-c30a-f9ce-dace8c9e14f9@bell.net>

Gary, did you remember to unplug the serial cable when you reinstalled 
the FTD driver?
I guess it's the same procedure as it's on my 7300. Maybe I'm wrong.

Bert VE3NR



On 7/16/2019 4:17 PM, Gary Tuck via Elecraft wrote:
> For the first time I am having difficulties communicating with my K3/P3.  The only thing which has changed is an upgrade to the Mac OS.  Now running 10.14.5 Mohave.  I reinstalled the FTD driver for the serial cable, tried both my iMac and MacBook and neither finds the P3 responding. I have not been on the air for several months so I am not sure when the issue arose.
>
> Has any had similar experiences and solved them?
>
> 73,
> Gary W7TEA
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From lists at w2irt.net  Tue Jul 16 17:41:11 2019
From: lists at w2irt.net (Peter Dougherty)
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2019 17:41:11 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] FT8 TX levels = no power
Message-ID: <002401d53c1f$2ffb78c0$8ff26a40$@w2irt.net>

Hi all,
I'm completely stumped at a problem I have no idea where to even start
looking at. Windows 10, version 1903 has completely buggered up the sound
mixer interface. No matter what I'm doing I can't get power out using
digital modes from the new WSJT-X version 2.1.0 (64 bit). 

CW and SSB are fine, so it's a computer problem, but evidently I'm not smart
enough to understand what's going on here. Has anybody run across this and
found a solution?

 


---------------------------------------------
73 and Good DX
Peter, W2IRT



President, North Jersey DX Association

DXCC Card Checker
Letter O Manager, ARRL Incoming 2nd District QSL bureau

 


From nr4c at widomaker.com  Tue Jul 16 17:52:19 2019
From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c)
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2019 17:52:19 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] FT8 TX levels = no power
In-Reply-To: <002401d53c1f$2ffb78c0$8ff26a40$@w2irt.net>
References: <002401d53c1f$2ffb78c0$8ff26a40$@w2irt.net>
Message-ID: <5365337D-736D-4A73-BA89-1CF286C52388@widomaker.com>

Look at Sound Settings. What is your input and output device. It should be pointed at your radio.  You don?t mention which radio this problem concerns. 

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill


> On Jul 16, 2019, at 5:41 PM, Peter Dougherty <lists at w2irt.net> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> I'm completely stumped at a problem I have no idea where to even start
> looking at. Windows 10, version 1903 has completely buggered up the sound
> mixer interface. No matter what I'm doing I can't get power out using
> digital modes from the new WSJT-X version 2.1.0 (64 bit). 
> 
> CW and SSB are fine, so it's a computer problem, but evidently I'm not smart
> enough to understand what's going on here. Has anybody run across this and
> found a solution?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ---------------------------------------------
> 73 and Good DX
> Peter, W2IRT
> 
> 
> 
> President, North Jersey DX Association
> 
> DXCC Card Checker
> Letter O Manager, ARRL Incoming 2nd District QSL bureau
> 
> 
> 
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From hb9eyq at gmail.com  Tue Jul 16 18:24:51 2019
From: hb9eyq at gmail.com (hb9eyq)
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2019 15:24:51 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 + KXPA100 + RSPDuo SDR receiver
Message-ID: <1563315891192-0.post@n2.nabble.com>

Is it possible to connect the KX2 to a KXPA100 amp and an MFJ-1708SDR TR
switch?  Do I need a Y adapter to split the PTT for the KXPA100 and 1708 TR
switch?  I want to use the RSPDuo as the receiver on the same antenna as the
KXPA100.

73
Larry
HB9EYQ



--
Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/

From lists at w2irt.net  Tue Jul 16 18:46:18 2019
From: lists at w2irt.net (Peter Dougherty)
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2019 18:46:18 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] FT8 TX levels = no power
In-Reply-To: <5d2e45fd.1c69fb81.18a4f.d38a@mx.google.com>
References: <002401d53c1f$2ffb78c0$8ff26a40$@w2irt.net>
	<5d2e45fd.1c69fb81.18a4f.d38a@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <003a01d53c28$48d47820$da7d6860$@w2irt.net>

I should have mentioned, this is on a K3s. What radio settings are involved? Is it mic gain or something in the menu?

I did find the new Windows TX level for the K3s (purely by accident; I don?t think I could do it again on a bet), and I set it up to 100%. I also set the TX level in WSJT-X to 100%. I don?t know if there are any more level controls involved, and to be honest, I never like to run anything wide-open.

But with that said (and set), on FT8 transmit now I have four solid ALC bars, but I can?t push the 5th one to start flashing, as it had before.

What was even more aggravating was my RX levels went haywire and it took me almost an hour to find them. There?s GOT to be an easier way to control all these settings!

 

- pjd

 

From: turnbull <turnbull at net1.ie> 
Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2019 5:48 PM
To: Peter Dougherty <lists at w2irt.net>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] FT8 TX levels = no power

 

Ck radio settings.   After loading 2.1, I found rig setting changed from K3.   Once corrected all was ok.

 

 

 

Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.

 

-------- Original message --------

From: Peter Dougherty <lists at w2irt.net <mailto:lists at w2irt.net> > 

Date: 16/07/2019 22:41 (GMT+00:00) 

To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net <mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net>  

Subject: [Elecraft] FT8 TX levels = no power 

 

Hi all,
I'm completely stumped at a problem I have no idea where to even start
looking at. Windows 10, version 1903 has completely buggered up the sound
mixer interface. No matter what I'm doing I can't get power out using
digital modes from the new WSJT-X version 2.1.0 (64 bit). 

CW and SSB are fine, so it's a computer problem, but evidently I'm not smart
enough to understand what's going on here. Has anybody run across this and
found a solution?




---------------------------------------------
73 and Good DX
Peter, W2IRT



President, North Jersey DX Association

DXCC Card Checker
Letter O Manager, ARRL Incoming 2nd District QSL bureau



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From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Tue Jul 16 19:12:34 2019
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2019 16:12:34 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] FT8 TX levels = no power
In-Reply-To: <003a01d53c28$48d47820$da7d6860$@w2irt.net>
References: <002401d53c1f$2ffb78c0$8ff26a40$@w2irt.net>
	<5d2e45fd.1c69fb81.18a4f.d38a@mx.google.com>
	<003a01d53c28$48d47820$da7d6860$@w2irt.net>
Message-ID: <beb05520-b916-7d6a-62d0-9d1a17741c5d@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On 7/16/2019 3:46 PM, Peter Dougherty wrote:
> I should have mentioned, this is on a K3s. What radio settings are involved? Is it mic gain or something in the menu?
When using the Line input, which we should be doing for WSJT modes, the 
Mic Gain toggles to Line In Gain by pushing the knob in until the Line 
LED is lit.
>
> I did find the new Windows TX level for the K3s (purely by accident; I don?t think I could do it again on a bet), and I set it up to 100%. I also set the TX level in WSJT-X to 100%. I don?t know if there are any more level controls involved, and to be honest, I never like to run anything wide-open.

This stuff IS in the manual. :)

73, Jim K9YC


From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Tue Jul 16 19:23:54 2019
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2019 18:23:54 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] FT8 TX levels = no power
In-Reply-To: <003a01d53c28$48d47820$da7d6860$@w2irt.net>
References: <002401d53c1f$2ffb78c0$8ff26a40$@w2irt.net>
	<5d2e45fd.1c69fb81.18a4f.d38a@mx.google.com>
	<003a01d53c28$48d47820$da7d6860$@w2irt.net>
Message-ID: <b8a89f5d-18a2-4e9c-1701-29561df9dc5a@blomand.net>

Peter:

In that configuration there are 3 specific places where adjustments are 
needed for transmit levels.?? Left click on the SPKR icon in the lower 
right side of the computer display.? Set that slider to a value between 
30 and 50.??? That controls the transmit audio via the software.? And in 
WSJT-X set the PWR slider {which does not actually control power} to a 
value of about 50% or mid scale.? Then on the K3S you MUST be in DATA A 
mode.? The press MENU and scroll to MIC SEL.? It should be set to Line 
In using the A VFO knob.?? Then exit that menu.??? Use the Speed/MIC 
knob to control LINE gain to attain 4 solid bars shown on the ALC scale 
with WSJT-X in TUNE mode.? The 5th bar should be flickering. With WSJT-X 
in TUNE mode, move the TX audio frequency away from 1500 Hz as there is 
a beat between the tone and refresh rate of the display and will cause 
what appears to be pulsing of the audio.?? Adjust? the actual 
transmitted power using the normal radio PWR control.? NEVER change the 
audio level to adjust power output.

For setting receive level you should RIGHT click on the SPKR icon which 
should? bring up a menu.? Then LEFT click on OPEN SOUND SETTINGS.?? This 
will bring up the WINDOWS Settings page.? At the top in the box you 
should have SPEAKERS USB Audio CODEC selected. Then down below is the 
bar showing level and it should be about 30 to 40.??? Then a bit down 
the page is INPUT.? In the box it should be showing Microphone (USB 
Audio CODEC).??? Click on Device Properties and you can adjust that 
slider to attain a value of about 30 or so on the WSJT-X? level 
indication on the left side of the WSJT-X pane.

Now all of this is not nearly a complex as it sounds.? One just needs to 
know where things are located and what to adjust.?? As a general rule 
one never wants a control at or near maximum and likewise, never near 
minimum.??? The three places must be used "in harmony" in order to 
attain excellent results.

I've been running my K3S for several years with WSJT-X and other audio 
modes very successfully.? I've just updated to the 64 bit version for 
Windows 10 and it is GREAT!

If you need screen shots, I'll be glad to provide same.

73

Bob, K4TAX


On 7/16/2019 5:46 PM, Peter Dougherty wrote:
> I should have mentioned, this is on a K3s. What radio settings are involved? Is it mic gain or something in the menu?
>
> I did find the new Windows TX level for the K3s (purely by accident; I don?t think I could do it again on a bet), and I set it up to 100%. I also set the TX level in WSJT-X to 100%. I don?t know if there are any more level controls involved, and to be honest, I never like to run anything wide-open.
>
> But with that said (and set), on FT8 transmit now I have four solid ALC bars, but I can?t push the 5th one to start flashing, as it had before.
>
> What was even more aggravating was my RX levels went haywire and it took me almost an hour to find them. There?s GOT to be an easier way to control all these settings!
>
>   
>
> - pjd
>
>   
>
> From: turnbull <turnbull at net1.ie>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2019 5:48 PM
> To: Peter Dougherty <lists at w2irt.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] FT8 TX levels = no power
>
>   
>
> Ck radio settings.   After loading 2.1, I found rig setting changed from K3.   Once corrected all was ok.
>
>   
>
>   
>
>   
>
> Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
>
>   
>
> -------- Original message --------
>
> From: Peter Dougherty <lists at w2irt.net <mailto:lists at w2irt.net> >
>
> Date: 16/07/2019 22:41 (GMT+00:00)
>
> To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net <mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
>
> Subject: [Elecraft] FT8 TX levels = no power
>
>   
>
> Hi all,
> I'm completely stumped at a problem I have no idea where to even start
> looking at. Windows 10, version 1903 has completely buggered up the sound
> mixer interface. No matter what I'm doing I can't get power out using
> digital modes from the new WSJT-X version 2.1.0 (64 bit).
>
> CW and SSB are fine, so it's a computer problem, but evidently I'm not smart
> enough to understand what's going on here. Has anybody run across this and
> found a solution?
>
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------------------
> 73 and Good DX
> Peter, W2IRT
>
>
>
> President, North Jersey DX Association
>
> DXCC Card Checker
> Letter O Manager, ARRL Incoming 2nd District QSL bureau
>
>
>
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From gtuck at mac.com  Tue Jul 16 19:40:39 2019
From: gtuck at mac.com (Gary Tuck)
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2019 16:40:39 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft]   Re:Serial Port Problems
Message-ID: <EC94A747-F073-46BC-B9F4-68C5A4BC42B2@mac.com>

Thank you gentlemen.  Will try your suggestions. Also received info from FTDi to check the port using the Terminal program.  
Update in a couple days.

73,
Gary W7TEA

From lists at w2irt.net  Tue Jul 16 22:17:03 2019
From: lists at w2irt.net (Peter Dougherty)
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2019 22:17:03 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] FT8 TX levels = no power
In-Reply-To: <b8a89f5d-18a2-4e9c-1701-29561df9dc5a@blomand.net>
References: <002401d53c1f$2ffb78c0$8ff26a40$@w2irt.net>
	<5d2e45fd.1c69fb81.18a4f.d38a@mx.google.com>
	<003a01d53c28$48d47820$da7d6860$@w2irt.net>
	<b8a89f5d-18a2-4e9c-1701-29561df9dc5a@blomand.net>
Message-ID: <000001d53c45$b9feef40$2dfccdc0$@w2irt.net>

So there's something specific in my system that's fatally allergic to v2.1.0 (either 32- or 64-bit). 

With everything set as it always was before the v1903 and 2.1.0 change, I go in to settings and see the correct sound cards setup (the input and output to/from the K3s, which I renamed K3 Input and K3 Output, respectively, several months ago, and which have been reliable until last night).

Now with v2.1.0, the software is getting confused, and trying to connect the output from a non-existent Windows sound card to what it thinks is K3-Transmit. If I force it to use the K3-Transmit card it works very briefly, but after a band change or maybe 10 minutes of inactivity it goes back in to the same failure mode.

I installed the 32-bit version over top of the 64-bit version and the same problem.

I installed the old v2.0.1 over top of the 32-bit and everything's back to normal. So there's absolutely a problem on my own system with v2.1.0. I would really like to fix it if I can.

 - pjd

-----Original Message-----
From: Bob McGraw K4TAX <rmcgraw at blomand.net> 
Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2019 7:24 PM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net; lists at w2irt.net >> Peter Dougherty <lists at w2irt.net>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] FT8 TX levels = no power

Peter:

In that configuration there are 3 specific places where adjustments are needed for transmit levels.   Left click on the SPKR icon in the lower right side of the computer display.  Set that slider to a value between
30 and 50.    That controls the transmit audio via the software.  And in WSJT-X set the PWR slider {which does not actually control power} to a value of about 50% or mid scale.  Then on the K3S you MUST be in DATA A mode.  The press MENU and scroll to MIC SEL.  It should be set to Line In using the A VFO knob.   Then exit that menu.    Use the Speed/MIC knob to control LINE gain to attain 4 solid bars shown on the ALC scale with WSJT-X in TUNE mode.  The 5th bar should be flickering. With WSJT-X in TUNE mode, move the TX audio frequency away from 1500 Hz as there is a beat between the tone and refresh rate of the display and will cause what appears to be pulsing of the audio.   Adjust  the actual transmitted power using the normal radio PWR control.  NEVER change the audio level to adjust power output.

For setting receive level you should RIGHT click on the SPKR icon which should  bring up a menu.  Then LEFT click on OPEN SOUND SETTINGS.   This will bring up the WINDOWS Settings page.  At the top in the box you should have SPEAKERS USB Audio CODEC selected. Then down below is the bar showing level and it should be about 30 to 40.    Then a bit down the page is INPUT.  In the box it should be showing Microphone (USB Audio CODEC).    Click on Device Properties and you can adjust that slider to attain a value of about 30 or so on the WSJT-X  level indication on the left side of the WSJT-X pane.

Now all of this is not nearly a complex as it sounds.  One just needs to know where things are located and what to adjust.   As a general rule one never wants a control at or near maximum and likewise, never near minimum.    The three places must be used "in harmony" in order to attain excellent results.

I've been running my K3S for several years with WSJT-X and other audio modes very successfully.  I've just updated to the 64 bit version for Windows 10 and it is GREAT!

If you need screen shots, I'll be glad to provide same.

73

Bob, K4TAX


On 7/16/2019 5:46 PM, Peter Dougherty wrote:
> I should have mentioned, this is on a K3s. What radio settings are involved? Is it mic gain or something in the menu?
>
> I did find the new Windows TX level for the K3s (purely by accident; I don?t think I could do it again on a bet), and I set it up to 100%. I also set the TX level in WSJT-X to 100%. I don?t know if there are any more level controls involved, and to be honest, I never like to run anything wide-open.
>
> But with that said (and set), on FT8 transmit now I have four solid ALC bars, but I can?t push the 5th one to start flashing, as it had before.
>
> What was even more aggravating was my RX levels went haywire and it took me almost an hour to find them. There?s GOT to be an easier way to control all these settings!
>
>   
>
> - pjd
>
>   
>
> From: turnbull <turnbull at net1.ie>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2019 5:48 PM
> To: Peter Dougherty <lists at w2irt.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] FT8 TX levels = no power
>
>   
>
> Ck radio settings.   After loading 2.1, I found rig setting changed from K3.   Once corrected all was ok.
>
>   
>
>   
>
>   
>
> Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
>
>   
>
> -------- Original message --------
>
> From: Peter Dougherty <lists at w2irt.net <mailto:lists at w2irt.net> >
>
> Date: 16/07/2019 22:41 (GMT+00:00)
>
> To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net <mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
>
> Subject: [Elecraft] FT8 TX levels = no power
>
>   
>
> Hi all,
> I'm completely stumped at a problem I have no idea where to even start 
> looking at. Windows 10, version 1903 has completely buggered up the 
> sound mixer interface. No matter what I'm doing I can't get power out 
> using digital modes from the new WSJT-X version 2.1.0 (64 bit).
>
> CW and SSB are fine, so it's a computer problem, but evidently I'm not 
> smart enough to understand what's going on here. Has anybody run 
> across this and found a solution?
>
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------------------
> 73 and Good DX
> Peter, W2IRT
>
>
>
> President, North Jersey DX Association
>
> DXCC Card Checker
> Letter O Manager, ARRL Incoming 2nd District QSL bureau
>
>
>
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From lists at w2irt.net  Tue Jul 16 22:20:48 2019
From: lists at w2irt.net (Peter Dougherty)
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2019 22:20:48 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] FT8 TX levels = no power
In-Reply-To: <b8a89f5d-18a2-4e9c-1701-29561df9dc5a@blomand.net>
References: <002401d53c1f$2ffb78c0$8ff26a40$@w2irt.net>
	<5d2e45fd.1c69fb81.18a4f.d38a@mx.google.com>
	<003a01d53c28$48d47820$da7d6860$@w2irt.net>
	<b8a89f5d-18a2-4e9c-1701-29561df9dc5a@blomand.net>
Message-ID: <000201d53c46$40114ab0$c033e010$@w2irt.net>

And I need to add that all the steps you outlined I had followed a few months ago when I took the MicroKeyer-II out of line and went to pure USB control of the K3s. All my levels and TX settings were 100% reliable UNTIL YESTERDAY, when I upgraded to v2.1.0. Well for now v2.0.1. is good enough for me.

 
 - pjd

-----Original Message-----
From: Bob McGraw K4TAX <rmcgraw at blomand.net> 
Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2019 7:24 PM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net; lists at w2irt.net >> Peter Dougherty <lists at w2irt.net>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] FT8 TX levels = no power

Peter:

In that configuration there are 3 specific places where adjustments are needed for transmit levels.   Left click on the SPKR icon in the lower right side of the computer display.  Set that slider to a value between
30 and 50.    That controls the transmit audio via the software.  And in WSJT-X set the PWR slider {which does not actually control power} to a value of about 50% or mid scale.  Then on the K3S you MUST be in DATA A mode.  The press MENU and scroll to MIC SEL.  It should be set to Line In using the A VFO knob.   Then exit that menu.    Use the Speed/MIC knob to control LINE gain to attain 4 solid bars shown on the ALC scale with WSJT-X in TUNE mode.  The 5th bar should be flickering. With WSJT-X in TUNE mode, move the TX audio frequency away from 1500 Hz as there is a beat between the tone and refresh rate of the display and will cause what appears to be pulsing of the audio.   Adjust  the actual transmitted power using the normal radio PWR control.  NEVER change the audio level to adjust power output.

For setting receive level you should RIGHT click on the SPKR icon which should  bring up a menu.  Then LEFT click on OPEN SOUND SETTINGS.   This will bring up the WINDOWS Settings page.  At the top in the box you should have SPEAKERS USB Audio CODEC selected. Then down below is the bar showing level and it should be about 30 to 40.    Then a bit down the page is INPUT.  In the box it should be showing Microphone (USB Audio CODEC).    Click on Device Properties and you can adjust that slider to attain a value of about 30 or so on the WSJT-X  level indication on the left side of the WSJT-X pane.

Now all of this is not nearly a complex as it sounds.  One just needs to know where things are located and what to adjust.   As a general rule one never wants a control at or near maximum and likewise, never near minimum.    The three places must be used "in harmony" in order to attain excellent results.

I've been running my K3S for several years with WSJT-X and other audio modes very successfully.  I've just updated to the 64 bit version for Windows 10 and it is GREAT!

If you need screen shots, I'll be glad to provide same.

73

Bob, K4TAX


On 7/16/2019 5:46 PM, Peter Dougherty wrote:
> I should have mentioned, this is on a K3s. What radio settings are involved? Is it mic gain or something in the menu?
>
> I did find the new Windows TX level for the K3s (purely by accident; I don?t think I could do it again on a bet), and I set it up to 100%. I also set the TX level in WSJT-X to 100%. I don?t know if there are any more level controls involved, and to be honest, I never like to run anything wide-open.
>
> But with that said (and set), on FT8 transmit now I have four solid ALC bars, but I can?t push the 5th one to start flashing, as it had before.
>
> What was even more aggravating was my RX levels went haywire and it took me almost an hour to find them. There?s GOT to be an easier way to control all these settings!
>
>   
>
> - pjd
>
>   
>
> From: turnbull <turnbull at net1.ie>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2019 5:48 PM
> To: Peter Dougherty <lists at w2irt.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] FT8 TX levels = no power
>
>   
>
> Ck radio settings.   After loading 2.1, I found rig setting changed from K3.   Once corrected all was ok.
>
>   
>
>   
>
>   
>
> Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
>
>   
>
> -------- Original message --------
>
> From: Peter Dougherty <lists at w2irt.net <mailto:lists at w2irt.net> >
>
> Date: 16/07/2019 22:41 (GMT+00:00)
>
> To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net <mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
>
> Subject: [Elecraft] FT8 TX levels = no power
>
>   
>
> Hi all,
> I'm completely stumped at a problem I have no idea where to even start 
> looking at. Windows 10, version 1903 has completely buggered up the 
> sound mixer interface. No matter what I'm doing I can't get power out 
> using digital modes from the new WSJT-X version 2.1.0 (64 bit).
>
> CW and SSB are fine, so it's a computer problem, but evidently I'm not 
> smart enough to understand what's going on here. Has anybody run 
> across this and found a solution?
>
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------------------
> 73 and Good DX
> Peter, W2IRT
>
>
>
> President, North Jersey DX Association
>
> DXCC Card Checker
> Letter O Manager, ARRL Incoming 2nd District QSL bureau
>
>
>
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From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Tue Jul 16 22:46:39 2019
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2019 21:46:39 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] FT8 TX levels = no power
In-Reply-To: <000201d53c46$40114ab0$c033e010$@w2irt.net>
References: <002401d53c1f$2ffb78c0$8ff26a40$@w2irt.net>
	<5d2e45fd.1c69fb81.18a4f.d38a@mx.google.com>
	<003a01d53c28$48d47820$da7d6860$@w2irt.net>
	<b8a89f5d-18a2-4e9c-1701-29561df9dc5a@blomand.net>
	<000201d53c46$40114ab0$c033e010$@w2irt.net>
Message-ID: <E09860A7-23D9-454E-85F0-B09090F39836@blomand.net>

I had 2.0.1 in my computer and had been using it since it's general release. Works well, no issues. 

Then when the new version was released, I just installed it, 64 bit version, taking the defaults.  It installed in the same directory, overwriting files as needed.  Everything works as expected with 2.1.0.  Did not have to change any parameters or such. 

I would suggest you uninstall the version 2.0.1 and use an application to clean your registry. Then load a fresh install of 2.1.0 

73
Bob, K4TAX


Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 16, 2019, at 9:20 PM, Peter Dougherty <lists at w2irt.net> wrote:
> 
> And I need to add that all the steps you outlined I had followed a few months ago when I took the MicroKeyer-II out of line and went to pure USB control of the K3s. All my levels and TX settings were 100% reliable UNTIL YESTERDAY, when I upgraded to v2.1.0. Well for now v2.0.1. is good enough for me.
> 
> 
> - pjd
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bob McGraw K4TAX <rmcgraw at blomand.net> 
> Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2019 7:24 PM
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net; lists at w2irt.net >> Peter Dougherty <lists at w2irt.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] FT8 TX levels = no power
> 
> Peter:
> 
> In that configuration there are 3 specific places where adjustments are needed for transmit levels.   Left click on the SPKR icon in the lower right side of the computer display.  Set that slider to a value between
> 30 and 50.    That controls the transmit audio via the software.  And in WSJT-X set the PWR slider {which does not actually control power} to a value of about 50% or mid scale.  Then on the K3S you MUST be in DATA A mode.  The press MENU and scroll to MIC SEL.  It should be set to Line In using the A VFO knob.   Then exit that menu.    Use the Speed/MIC knob to control LINE gain to attain 4 solid bars shown on the ALC scale with WSJT-X in TUNE mode.  The 5th bar should be flickering. With WSJT-X in TUNE mode, move the TX audio frequency away from 1500 Hz as there is a beat between the tone and refresh rate of the display and will cause what appears to be pulsing of the audio.   Adjust  the actual transmitted power using the normal radio PWR control.  NEVER change the audio level to adjust power output.
> 
> For setting receive level you should RIGHT click on the SPKR icon which should  bring up a menu.  Then LEFT click on OPEN SOUND SETTINGS.   This will bring up the WINDOWS Settings page.  At the top in the box you should have SPEAKERS USB Audio CODEC selected. Then down below is the bar showing level and it should be about 30 to 40.    Then a bit down the page is INPUT.  In the box it should be showing Microphone (USB Audio CODEC).    Click on Device Properties and you can adjust that slider to attain a value of about 30 or so on the WSJT-X  level indication on the left side of the WSJT-X pane.
> 
> Now all of this is not nearly a complex as it sounds.  One just needs to know where things are located and what to adjust.   As a general rule one never wants a control at or near maximum and likewise, never near minimum.    The three places must be used "in harmony" in order to attain excellent results.
> 
> I've been running my K3S for several years with WSJT-X and other audio modes very successfully.  I've just updated to the 64 bit version for Windows 10 and it is GREAT!
> 
> If you need screen shots, I'll be glad to provide same.
> 
> 73
> 
> Bob, K4TAX
> 
> 
>> On 7/16/2019 5:46 PM, Peter Dougherty wrote:
>> I should have mentioned, this is on a K3s. What radio settings are involved? Is it mic gain or something in the menu?
>> 
>> I did find the new Windows TX level for the K3s (purely by accident; I don?t think I could do it again on a bet), and I set it up to 100%. I also set the TX level in WSJT-X to 100%. I don?t know if there are any more level controls involved, and to be honest, I never like to run anything wide-open.
>> 
>> But with that said (and set), on FT8 transmit now I have four solid ALC bars, but I can?t push the 5th one to start flashing, as it had before.
>> 
>> What was even more aggravating was my RX levels went haywire and it took me almost an hour to find them. There?s GOT to be an easier way to control all these settings!
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> - pjd
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From: turnbull <turnbull at net1.ie>
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2019 5:48 PM
>> To: Peter Dougherty <lists at w2irt.net>
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] FT8 TX levels = no power
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Ck radio settings.   After loading 2.1, I found rig setting changed from K3.   Once corrected all was ok.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -------- Original message --------
>> 
>> From: Peter Dougherty <lists at w2irt.net <mailto:lists at w2irt.net> >
>> 
>> Date: 16/07/2019 22:41 (GMT+00:00)
>> 
>> To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net <mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
>> 
>> Subject: [Elecraft] FT8 TX levels = no power
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> I'm completely stumped at a problem I have no idea where to even start 
>> looking at. Windows 10, version 1903 has completely buggered up the 
>> sound mixer interface. No matter what I'm doing I can't get power out 
>> using digital modes from the new WSJT-X version 2.1.0 (64 bit).
>> 
>> CW and SSB are fine, so it's a computer problem, but evidently I'm not 
>> smart enough to understand what's going on here. Has anybody run 
>> across this and found a solution?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ---------------------------------------------
>> 73 and Good DX
>> Peter, W2IRT
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> President, North Jersey DX Association
>> 
>> DXCC Card Checker
>> Letter O Manager, ARRL Incoming 2nd District QSL bureau
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ______________________________________________________________
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> 



From lists at w2irt.net  Tue Jul 16 23:10:46 2019
From: lists at w2irt.net (Peter Dougherty)
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2019 23:10:46 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] FT8 TX levels = no power
In-Reply-To: <E09860A7-23D9-454E-85F0-B09090F39836@blomand.net>
References: <002401d53c1f$2ffb78c0$8ff26a40$@w2irt.net>
	<5d2e45fd.1c69fb81.18a4f.d38a@mx.google.com>
	<003a01d53c28$48d47820$da7d6860$@w2irt.net>
	<b8a89f5d-18a2-4e9c-1701-29561df9dc5a@blomand.net>
	<000201d53c46$40114ab0$c033e010$@w2irt.net>
	<E09860A7-23D9-454E-85F0-B09090F39836@blomand.net>
Message-ID: <000401d53c4d$3af068c0$b0d13a40$@w2irt.net>

Yeah, good idea. I'll give it a shot and see what happens.

 - pjd

-----Original Message-----
From: Bob McGraw K4TAX <rmcgraw at blomand.net> 
Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2019 10:47 PM
To: Peter Dougherty <lists at w2irt.net>
Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] FT8 TX levels = no power

I had 2.0.1 in my computer and had been using it since it's general release. Works well, no issues. 

Then when the new version was released, I just installed it, 64 bit version, taking the defaults.  It installed in the same directory, overwriting files as needed.  Everything works as expected with 2.1.0.  Did not have to change any parameters or such. 

I would suggest you uninstall the version 2.0.1 and use an application to clean your registry. Then load a fresh install of 2.1.0 

73
Bob, K4TAX


Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 16, 2019, at 9:20 PM, Peter Dougherty <lists at w2irt.net> wrote:
> 
> And I need to add that all the steps you outlined I had followed a few months ago when I took the MicroKeyer-II out of line and went to pure USB control of the K3s. All my levels and TX settings were 100% reliable UNTIL YESTERDAY, when I upgraded to v2.1.0. Well for now v2.0.1. is good enough for me.
> 
> 
> - pjd
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bob McGraw K4TAX <rmcgraw at blomand.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2019 7:24 PM
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net; lists at w2irt.net >> Peter Dougherty 
> <lists at w2irt.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] FT8 TX levels = no power
> 
> Peter:
> 
> In that configuration there are 3 specific places where adjustments are needed for transmit levels.   Left click on the SPKR icon in the lower right side of the computer display.  Set that slider to a value between
> 30 and 50.    That controls the transmit audio via the software.  And in WSJT-X set the PWR slider {which does not actually control power} to a value of about 50% or mid scale.  Then on the K3S you MUST be in DATA A mode.  The press MENU and scroll to MIC SEL.  It should be set to Line In using the A VFO knob.   Then exit that menu.    Use the Speed/MIC knob to control LINE gain to attain 4 solid bars shown on the ALC scale with WSJT-X in TUNE mode.  The 5th bar should be flickering. With WSJT-X in TUNE mode, move the TX audio frequency away from 1500 Hz as there is a beat between the tone and refresh rate of the display and will cause what appears to be pulsing of the audio.   Adjust  the actual transmitted power using the normal radio PWR control.  NEVER change the audio level to adjust power output.
> 
> For setting receive level you should RIGHT click on the SPKR icon which should  bring up a menu.  Then LEFT click on OPEN SOUND SETTINGS.   This will bring up the WINDOWS Settings page.  At the top in the box you should have SPEAKERS USB Audio CODEC selected. Then down below is the bar showing level and it should be about 30 to 40.    Then a bit down the page is INPUT.  In the box it should be showing Microphone (USB Audio CODEC).    Click on Device Properties and you can adjust that slider to attain a value of about 30 or so on the WSJT-X  level indication on the left side of the WSJT-X pane.
> 
> Now all of this is not nearly a complex as it sounds.  One just needs to know where things are located and what to adjust.   As a general rule one never wants a control at or near maximum and likewise, never near minimum.    The three places must be used "in harmony" in order to attain excellent results.
> 
> I've been running my K3S for several years with WSJT-X and other audio modes very successfully.  I've just updated to the 64 bit version for Windows 10 and it is GREAT!
> 
> If you need screen shots, I'll be glad to provide same.
> 
> 73
> 
> Bob, K4TAX
> 
> 
>> On 7/16/2019 5:46 PM, Peter Dougherty wrote:
>> I should have mentioned, this is on a K3s. What radio settings are involved? Is it mic gain or something in the menu?
>> 
>> I did find the new Windows TX level for the K3s (purely by accident; I don?t think I could do it again on a bet), and I set it up to 100%. I also set the TX level in WSJT-X to 100%. I don?t know if there are any more level controls involved, and to be honest, I never like to run anything wide-open.
>> 
>> But with that said (and set), on FT8 transmit now I have four solid ALC bars, but I can?t push the 5th one to start flashing, as it had before.
>> 
>> What was even more aggravating was my RX levels went haywire and it took me almost an hour to find them. There?s GOT to be an easier way to control all these settings!
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> - pjd
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From: turnbull <turnbull at net1.ie>
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2019 5:48 PM
>> To: Peter Dougherty <lists at w2irt.net>
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] FT8 TX levels = no power
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Ck radio settings.   After loading 2.1, I found rig setting changed from K3.   Once corrected all was ok.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -------- Original message --------
>> 
>> From: Peter Dougherty <lists at w2irt.net <mailto:lists at w2irt.net> >
>> 
>> Date: 16/07/2019 22:41 (GMT+00:00)
>> 
>> To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net <mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
>> 
>> Subject: [Elecraft] FT8 TX levels = no power
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> I'm completely stumped at a problem I have no idea where to even 
>> start looking at. Windows 10, version 1903 has completely buggered up 
>> the sound mixer interface. No matter what I'm doing I can't get power 
>> out using digital modes from the new WSJT-X version 2.1.0 (64 bit).
>> 
>> CW and SSB are fine, so it's a computer problem, but evidently I'm 
>> not smart enough to understand what's going on here. Has anybody run 
>> across this and found a solution?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ---------------------------------------------
>> 73 and Good DX
>> Peter, W2IRT
>> 
>> 
>> 
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>> 
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From jim at n7us.net  Tue Jul 16 23:21:15 2019
From: jim at n7us.net (Jim N7US)
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2019 22:21:15 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] FT8 TX levels = no power
In-Reply-To: <E09860A7-23D9-454E-85F0-B09090F39836@blomand.net>
References: <002401d53c1f$2ffb78c0$8ff26a40$@w2irt.net>	<5d2e45fd.1c69fb81.18a4f.d38a@mx.google.com>	<003a01d53c28$48d47820$da7d6860$@w2irt.net>	<b8a89f5d-18a2-4e9c-1701-29561df9dc5a@blomand.net>	<000201d53c46$40114ab0$c033e010$@w2irt.net>
	<E09860A7-23D9-454E-85F0-B09090F39836@blomand.net>
Message-ID: <004901d53c4e$b1c5e5f0$1551b1d0$@n7us.net>

I installed the 64-bit version today.  I had to increase the "Pwr" slider to the max and tweak the Windows audio levels on RX and TX for my K3S.


Jim N7US

-----Original Message-----

I had 2.0.1 in my computer and had been using it since it's general release. Works well, no issues. 

Then when the new version was released, I just installed it, 64 bit version, taking the defaults.  It installed in the same directory, overwriting files as needed.  Everything works as expected with 2.1.0.  Did not have to change any parameters or such. 

I would suggest you uninstall the version 2.0.1 and use an application to clean your registry. Then load a fresh install of 2.1.0 

73
Bob, K4TAX


Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 16, 2019, at 9:20 PM, Peter Dougherty <lists at w2irt.net> wrote:
> 
> And I need to add that all the steps you outlined I had followed a few months ago when I took the MicroKeyer-II out of line and went to pure USB control of the K3s. All my levels and TX settings were 100% reliable UNTIL YESTERDAY, when I upgraded to v2.1.0. Well for now v2.0.1. is good enough for me.
> 
> 
> - pjd
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bob McGraw K4TAX <rmcgraw at blomand.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2019 7:24 PM
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net; lists at w2irt.net >> Peter Dougherty 
> <lists at w2irt.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] FT8 TX levels = no power
> 
> Peter:
> 
> In that configuration there are 3 specific places where adjustments are needed for transmit levels.   Left click on the SPKR icon in the lower right side of the computer display.  Set that slider to a value between
> 30 and 50.    That controls the transmit audio via the software.  And in WSJT-X set the PWR slider {which does not actually control power} to a value of about 50% or mid scale.  Then on the K3S you MUST be in DATA A mode.  The press MENU and scroll to MIC SEL.  It should be set to Line In using the A VFO knob.   Then exit that menu.    Use the Speed/MIC knob to control LINE gain to attain 4 solid bars shown on the ALC scale with WSJT-X in TUNE mode.  The 5th bar should be flickering. With WSJT-X in TUNE mode, move the TX audio frequency away from 1500 Hz as there is a beat between the tone and refresh rate of the display and will cause what appears to be pulsing of the audio.   Adjust  the actual transmitted power using the normal radio PWR control.  NEVER change the audio level to adjust power output.
> 
> For setting receive level you should RIGHT click on the SPKR icon which should  bring up a menu.  Then LEFT click on OPEN SOUND SETTINGS.   This will bring up the WINDOWS Settings page.  At the top in the box you should have SPEAKERS USB Audio CODEC selected. Then down below is the bar showing level and it should be about 30 to 40.    Then a bit down the page is INPUT.  In the box it should be showing Microphone (USB Audio CODEC).    Click on Device Properties and you can adjust that slider to attain a value of about 30 or so on the WSJT-X  level indication on the left side of the WSJT-X pane.
> 
> Now all of this is not nearly a complex as it sounds.  One just needs to know where things are located and what to adjust.   As a general rule one never wants a control at or near maximum and likewise, never near minimum.    The three places must be used "in harmony" in order to attain excellent results.
> 
> I've been running my K3S for several years with WSJT-X and other audio modes very successfully.  I've just updated to the 64 bit version for Windows 10 and it is GREAT!
> 
> If you need screen shots, I'll be glad to provide same.
> 
> 73
> 
> Bob, K4TAX
> 
> 
>> On 7/16/2019 5:46 PM, Peter Dougherty wrote:
>> I should have mentioned, this is on a K3s. What radio settings are involved? Is it mic gain or something in the menu?
>> 
>> I did find the new Windows TX level for the K3s (purely by accident; I don?t think I could do it again on a bet), and I set it up to 100%. I also set the TX level in WSJT-X to 100%. I don?t know if there are any more level controls involved, and to be honest, I never like to run anything wide-open.
>> 
>> But with that said (and set), on FT8 transmit now I have four solid ALC bars, but I can?t push the 5th one to start flashing, as it had before.
>> 
>> What was even more aggravating was my RX levels went haywire and it took me almost an hour to find them. There?s GOT to be an easier way to control all these settings!
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> - pjd
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From: turnbull <turnbull at net1.ie>
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2019 5:48 PM
>> To: Peter Dougherty <lists at w2irt.net>
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] FT8 TX levels = no power
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Ck radio settings.   After loading 2.1, I found rig setting changed from K3.   Once corrected all was ok.


From jim at n7us.net  Tue Jul 16 23:33:09 2019
From: jim at n7us.net (Jim N7US)
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2019 22:33:09 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] WSJT v2.1.0
Message-ID: <005501d53c50$5bb5f7c0$1321e740$@n7us.net>

I changed the subject.

Jim N7US

-----Original Message-----


I installed the 64-bit version today.  I had to increase the "Pwr" slider to the max and tweak the Windows audio levels on RX and TX for my K3S.


Jim N7US

-----Original Message-----

I had 2.0.1 in my computer and had been using it since it's general release. Works well, no issues. 

Then when the new version was released, I just installed it, 64 bit version, taking the defaults.  It installed in the same directory, overwriting files as needed.  Everything works as expected with 2.1.0.  Did not have to change any parameters or such. 

I would suggest you uninstall the version 2.0.1 and use an application to clean your registry. Then load a fresh install of 2.1.0 

73
Bob, K4TAX


Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 16, 2019, at 9:20 PM, Peter Dougherty <lists at w2irt.net> wrote:
> 
> And I need to add that all the steps you outlined I had followed a few months ago when I took the MicroKeyer-II out of line and went to pure USB control of the K3s. All my levels and TX settings were 100% reliable UNTIL YESTERDAY, when I upgraded to v2.1.0. Well for now v2.0.1. is good enough for me.
> 
> 
> - pjd
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> 
> Peter:
> 
> In that configuration there are 3 specific places where adjustments are needed for transmit levels.   Left click on the SPKR icon in the lower right side of the computer display.  Set that slider to a value between
> 30 and 50.    That controls the transmit audio via the software.  And in WSJT-X set the PWR slider {which does not actually control power} to a value of about 50% or mid scale.  Then on the K3S you MUST be in DATA A mode.  The press MENU and scroll to MIC SEL.  It should be set to Line In using the A VFO knob.   Then exit that menu.    Use the Speed/MIC knob to control LINE gain to attain 4 solid bars shown on the ALC scale with WSJT-X in TUNE mode.  The 5th bar should be flickering. With WSJT-X in TUNE mode, move the TX audio frequency away from 1500 Hz as there is a beat between the tone and refresh rate of the display and will cause what appears to be pulsing of the audio.   Adjust  the actual transmitted power using the normal radio PWR control.  NEVER change the audio level to adjust power output.
> 
> For setting receive level you should RIGHT click on the SPKR icon which should  bring up a menu.  Then LEFT click on OPEN SOUND SETTINGS.   This will bring up the WINDOWS Settings page.  At the top in the box you should have SPEAKERS USB Audio CODEC selected. Then down below is the bar showing level and it should be about 30 to 40.    Then a bit down the page is INPUT.  In the box it should be showing Microphone (USB Audio CODEC).    Click on Device Properties and you can adjust that slider to attain a value of about 30 or so on the WSJT-X  level indication on the left side of the WSJT-X pane.
> 
> Now all of this is not nearly a complex as it sounds.  One just needs to know where things are located and what to adjust.   As a general rule one never wants a control at or near maximum and likewise, never near minimum.    The three places must be used "in harmony" in order to attain excellent results.
> 
> I've been running my K3S for several years with WSJT-X and other audio modes very successfully.  I've just updated to the 64 bit version for Windows 10 and it is GREAT!
> 
> If you need screen shots, I'll be glad to provide same.
> 
> 73
> 
> Bob, K4TAX
> 
> 
>> On 7/16/2019 5:46 PM, Peter Dougherty wrote:
>> I should have mentioned, this is on a K3s. What radio settings are involved? Is it mic gain or something in the menu?
>> 
>> I did find the new Windows TX level for the K3s (purely by accident; I don?t think I could do it again on a bet), and I set it up to 100%. I also set the TX level in WSJT-X to 100%. I don?t know if there are any more level controls involved, and to be honest, I never like to run anything wide-open.
>> 
>> But with that said (and set), on FT8 transmit now I have four solid ALC bars, but I can?t push the 5th one to start flashing, as it had before.
>> 
>> What was even more aggravating was my RX levels went haywire and it took me almost an hour to find them. There?s GOT to be an easier way to control all these settings!
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> - pjd
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From: turnbull <turnbull at net1.ie>
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2019 5:48 PM
>> To: Peter Dougherty <lists at w2irt.net>
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] FT8 TX levels = no power
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Ck radio settings.   After loading 2.1, I found rig setting changed from K3.   Once corrected all was ok.


From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Tue Jul 16 23:54:29 2019
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2019 22:54:29 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] FT8 TX levels = no power
In-Reply-To: <004901d53c4e$b1c5e5f0$1551b1d0$@n7us.net>
References: <002401d53c1f$2ffb78c0$8ff26a40$@w2irt.net>
	<5d2e45fd.1c69fb81.18a4f.d38a@mx.google.com>
	<003a01d53c28$48d47820$da7d6860$@w2irt.net>
	<b8a89f5d-18a2-4e9c-1701-29561df9dc5a@blomand.net>
	<000201d53c46$40114ab0$c033e010$@w2irt.net>
	<E09860A7-23D9-454E-85F0-B09090F39836@blomand.net>
	<004901d53c4e$b1c5e5f0$1551b1d0$@n7us.net>
Message-ID: <26e1708d-592f-71db-880f-d5212bd4eebe@blomand.net>

What is the Line gain on the radio?


My values:

For transmit:

Computer SPKR level? @ 30 or -18 dB

WSJT-X PWR at mid scale, thus? Transmit Digital Gain is -17.3 dB

K3S Line gain at 25.

For receive:

Microphone (USB Audio CODEC) = @ 27 or -10 dB

K3S?? Line Out =? Normal 010


These values above taken directly from the computer, WSJT-X, and K3S.? 
This is with WSJT-X version 2.1.0 64 bit running under Windows 10 Pro.? 
The computer is a HP EliteBook 6930P with Windows 10 Pro, version 1809 
(OS Build 17763.615).?? Processor is P8600 2.40 GHz 2 cores,? RAM 4.0 
GB.? In other words....nothing special in terms of hardware or processing.

If you are running any other interfaces, software, logging applications, 
station control software or hardware interfaces, then all bets are off.? 
I just have a single USB cable between the radio and computer.?? When I 
use WSJT-X or any other application that is all that is running, other 
than my antivirus and malware applications.??? Everything else is shut 
down or exited and closed.

I'm a happy camper and these work 100% reliable for me.? It is simple 
and I like it that way.

73

Bob, K4TAX


On 7/16/2019 10:21 PM, Jim N7US wrote:
> I installed the 64-bit version today.  I had to increase the "Pwr" slider to the max and tweak the Windows audio levels on RX and TX for my K3S.
>
>
> Jim N7US
>


From jim at n7us.net  Wed Jul 17 00:11:39 2019
From: jim at n7us.net (Jim N7US)
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2019 23:11:39 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] WSJT-X v.2.1.0
Message-ID: <006b01d53c55$bc89eca0$359dc5e0$@n7us.net>

I had the line in on the radio at 35, but it varies as I tweaked the Windows level.

I understand the TX audio processing has changed, and the operation (sensitivity?) of the ALC reading makes it much harder to get the fifth segment to flicker.

I went back to JTDX (and JTAlertX), which is much easier to get the correct TX audio level.

Jim N7US

-----Original Message-----


What is the Line gain on the radio?


My values:

For transmit:

Computer SPKR level  @ 30 or -18 dB

WSJT-X PWR at mid scale, thus  Transmit Digital Gain is -17.3 dB

K3S Line gain at 25.

For receive:

Microphone (USB Audio CODEC) = @ 27 or -10 dB

K3S   Line Out =  Normal 010


These values above taken directly from the computer, WSJT-X, and K3S. This is with WSJT-X version 2.1.0 64 bit running under Windows 10 Pro. The computer is a HP EliteBook 6930P with Windows 10 Pro, version 1809 (OS Build 17763.615).   Processor is P8600 2.40 GHz 2 cores,  RAM 4.0 GB.  In other words....nothing special in terms of hardware or processing.

If you are running any other interfaces, software, logging applications, station control software or hardware interfaces, then all bets are off. I just have a single USB cable between the radio and computer.   When I use WSJT-X or any other application that is all that is running, other than my antivirus and malware applications.    Everything else is shut down or exited and closed.

I'm a happy camper and these work 100% reliable for me.  It is simple and I like it that way.

73

Bob, K4TAX


On 7/16/2019 10:21 PM, Jim N7US wrote:
> I installed the 64-bit version today.  I had to increase the "Pwr" slider to the max and tweak the Windows audio levels on RX and TX for my K3S.
>
>
> Jim N7US
>


From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Tue Jul 16 21:54:25 2019
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2019 21:54:25 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] FT8 TX levels = no power
In-Reply-To: <003a01d53c28$48d47820$da7d6860$@w2irt.net>
References: <002401d53c1f$2ffb78c0$8ff26a40$@w2irt.net>
	<5d2e45fd.1c69fb81.18a4f.d38a@mx.google.com>
	<003a01d53c28$48d47820$da7d6860$@w2irt.net>
Message-ID: <c10f6a51-a3d3-e077-684e-261ba659e8f5@embarqmail.com>

Peter,

See the article on my webpage www.w3fpr.com.  Scroll down to the last 
entry on the left column and click to bring up the document.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 7/16/2019 6:46 PM, Peter Dougherty wrote:
> I should have mentioned, this is on a K3s. What radio settings are involved? Is it mic gain or something in the menu?
> 
> I did find the new Windows TX level for the K3s (purely by accident; I don?t think I could do it again on a bet), and I set it up to 100%. I also set the TX level in WSJT-X to 100%. I don?t know if there are any more level controls involved, and to be honest, I never like to run anything wide-open.
> 
> But with that said (and set), on FT8 transmit now I have four solid ALC bars, but I can?t push the 5th one to start flashing, as it had before.
> 
> What was even more aggravating was my RX levels went haywire and it took me almost an hour to find them. There?s GOT to be an easier way to control all these settings!
> 

From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Wed Jul 17 08:32:52 2019
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2019 07:32:52 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] WSJT-X v.2.1.0
In-Reply-To: <006b01d53c55$bc89eca0$359dc5e0$@n7us.net>
References: <006b01d53c55$bc89eca0$359dc5e0$@n7us.net>
Message-ID: <299be111-21c6-1aeb-425f-7dbf378e614f@blomand.net>

Yes as I wrote earlier there are 3 places which are "in series" if you 
will, that affect the audio level to the radio.? In order: (a) Windows 
SPKR level. (b) WSJT-X PWR slider, (c) K3S Line Gain.

I don't know anything about TX audio processing changes and I don't find 
it a challenge or any difficulty to get the 5th bar to flicker.??? Again 
I will comment that I find the default WSJT-X TUNE frequency of 1500 Hz 
does appear to cause a beat with the ALC meter display refresh rate.?? 
It appears as a fluctuation or pulsing of the value.?? By moving the 
TUNE frequency away from 1500? a 100 Hz or so I find the issue is resolved.

73

Bob, K4TAX


On 7/16/2019 11:11 PM, Jim N7US wrote:
> I had the line in on the radio at 35, but it varies as I tweaked the Windows level.
>
> I understand the TX audio processing has changed, and the operation (sensitivity?) of the ALC reading makes it much harder to get the fifth segment to flicker.
>
> I went back to JTDX (and JTAlertX), which is much easier to get the correct TX audio level.
>
> Jim N7US
>
>


From rus.healy at gmail.com  Wed Jul 17 08:55:57 2019
From: rus.healy at gmail.com (Rus Healy)
Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2019 08:55:57 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K144XV with microwave transverters
Message-ID: <CAGK9h=PCLgobj5qUnNWxUh6KspOZEzM7LyCbdUEn6FzpowBAHw@mail.gmail.com>

Good morning. I have a K3 with the internal K144XV 2-meter transverter. I
want to use it not just for 2 meters, but also as an IF for 903, 1296,
2304, 3456, 5760, and 10 GHz. I have built a band decoder and set the XVn
displays for each band accordingly.

I see that I can't set the IF for the XVn to anything but 28 or 50 MHz, so
that implies that 144 MHz is not supported along with the higher bands and
band decoder configuration. I verified with Elecraft support that this
isn't supported--they steered me here (after a 10-day delay and three
separate emails to get any answer at all, but I digress).

How are others handling this requirement? The automation is important to
me, as I am using it not just to steer the 144-MHz IF, but also to set the
correct LO frequency and steer the output of the Down East Microwave DIGILO
to each transverter based on the band information from the radio.

Thanks in advance.

--73, Rus, K2UA

From wes_n7ws at triconet.org  Wed Jul 17 09:38:24 2019
From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes)
Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2019 06:38:24 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] WSJT-X v.2.1.0
In-Reply-To: <299be111-21c6-1aeb-425f-7dbf378e614f@blomand.net>
References: <006b01d53c55$bc89eca0$359dc5e0$@n7us.net>
	<299be111-21c6-1aeb-425f-7dbf378e614f@blomand.net>
Message-ID: <d3d0caac-0fb0-13a3-347d-b79fe877770f@triconet.org>

See 
http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-Odd-ALC-behavior-td7633052.html#a7633078 
particularly the post(s) by Brian Hunt.

Wes? N7WS

On 7/17/2019 5:32 AM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote:
> Yes as I wrote earlier there are 3 places which are "in series" if you will, 
> that affect the audio level to the radio.? In order: (a) Windows SPKR level. 
> (b) WSJT-X PWR slider, (c) K3S Line Gain.
>
> I don't know anything about TX audio processing changes and I don't find it a 
> challenge or any difficulty to get the 5th bar to flicker.??? Again I will 
> comment that I find the default WSJT-X TUNE frequency of 1500 Hz does appear 
> to cause a beat with the ALC meter display refresh rate.?? It appears as a 
> fluctuation or pulsing of the value.?? By moving the TUNE frequency away from 
> 1500? a 100 Hz or so I find the issue is resolved.
>
> 73
>
> Bob, K4TAX
>
>
> On 7/16/2019 11:11 PM, Jim N7US wrote:
>> I had the line in on the radio at 35, but it varies as I tweaked the Windows 
>> level.
>>
>> I understand the TX audio processing has changed, and the operation 
>> (sensitivity?) of the ALC reading makes it much harder to get the fifth 
>> segment to flicker.
>>
>> I went back to JTDX (and JTAlertX), which is much easier to get the correct 
>> TX audio level.
>>
>> Jim N7US
>>
>>


From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Wed Jul 17 10:39:21 2019
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2019 10:39:21 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K144XV with microwave transverters
In-Reply-To: <CAGK9h=PCLgobj5qUnNWxUh6KspOZEzM7LyCbdUEn6FzpowBAHw@mail.gmail.com>
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Rus,

The key is that you cannot directly set the K3 IF to 144MHz, but you 
must set the CONFIG: XV1 ADR parameter correctly.

See the "Using External Transverters with the K144XV" section in the 
K144XV manual page 21.

You will have to switch the input to your external 144MHz IF 
transverters from the output of your band decoder.

73,
Don W3FPR



On 7/17/2019 8:55 AM, Rus Healy wrote:
> Good morning. I have a K3 with the internal K144XV 2-meter transverter. I
> want to use it not just for 2 meters, but also as an IF for 903, 1296,
> 2304, 3456, 5760, and 10 GHz. I have built a band decoder and set the XVn
> displays for each band accordingly.
> 
> I see that I can't set the IF for the XVn to anything but 28 or 50 MHz, so
> that implies that 144 MHz is not supported along with the higher bands and
> band decoder configuration. I verified with Elecraft support that this
> isn't supported--they steered me here (after a 10-day delay and three
> separate emails to get any answer at all, but I digress).
> 
> How are others handling this requirement? The automation is important to
> me, as I am using it not just to steer the 144-MHz IF, but also to set the
> correct LO frequency and steer the output of the Down East Microwave DIGILO
> to each transverter based on the band information from the radio.
> 

From dons at ieee.org  Wed Jul 17 11:49:45 2019
From: dons at ieee.org (Don Sayler)
Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2019 08:49:45 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Remote K3s clock setting
Message-ID: <mailman.525.1563378600.2815.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>

I've looked through the Programmer's Reference guide for info on setting the K3S clock remotely.I have found information for the clocks in the KX2 & KX3. There doesn't appear to be a command for setting the clock in the K3S. Did I miss something? There must be a way, since the Elecraft Utility does it.ThanksDon W7OXRSent via my Mobile

From dick at elecraft.com  Wed Jul 17 13:37:35 2019
From: dick at elecraft.com (dick at elecraft.com)
Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2019 10:37:35 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Remote K3s clock setting
In-Reply-To: <20190717155150.D6D3F149B766@mailman.qth.net>
References: <20190717155150.D6D3F149B766@mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID: <002101d53cc6$525cc3e0$f7164ba0$@elecraft.com>

The K3 Utility adjusts date & time with SWTnn; followed by a series of UP;
or DN; commands. Current date/time is read with DS; after switching to the
appropriate menu.

73 de Dick, K6KR


-----Original Message-----
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Behalf Of Don Sayler
Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2019 08:50
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] Remote K3s clock setting

I've looked through the Programmer's Reference guide for info on setting the
K3S clock remotely.I have found information for the clocks in the KX2 & KX3.
There doesn't appear to be a command for setting the clock in the K3S. Did I
miss something? There must be a way, since the Elecraft Utility does
it.ThanksDon W7OXRSent via my Mobile
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From ja-pierce at verizon.net  Wed Jul 17 16:06:11 2019
From: ja-pierce at verizon.net (John Pierce)
Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2019 16:06:11 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] MFJ 1234
Message-ID: <00f701d53cdb$14e3de80$3eab9b80$@verizon.net>

I'm interested in remotely controlling my KX3 at the home location.  I am
interested in knowing what hardware is needed to accomplish this using a
laptop at the remote location.  I am interested in voice and cw operation.

 

John


From dons at ieee.org  Wed Jul 17 16:35:01 2019
From: dons at ieee.org (Don Sayler)
Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2019 13:35:01 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Remote K3s clock setting
In-Reply-To: <002101d53cc6$525cc3e0$f7164ba0$@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <mailman.527.1563395712.2815.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>

Thanks Dick.I'll check that out.DonSent via my Mobile
-------- Original message --------From: dick at elecraft.com Date: 7/17/19  10:37 AM  (GMT-08:00) To: 'Don Sayler' <dons at ieee.org>, elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: RE: [Elecraft] Remote K3s clock setting The K3 Utility adjusts date & time with SWTnn; followed by a series of UP;or DN; commands. Current date/time is read with DS; after switching to theappropriate menu.73 de Dick, K6KR-----Original Message-----From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> OnBehalf Of Don SaylerSent: Wednesday, July 17, 2019 08:50To: elecraft at mailman.qth.netSubject: [Elecraft] Remote K3s clock settingI've looked through the Programmer's Reference guide for info on setting theK3S clock remotely.I have found information for the clocks in the KX2 & KX3.There doesn't appear to be a command for setting the clock in the K3S. Did Imiss something? There must be a way, since the Elecraft Utility doesit.ThanksDon W7OXRSent via my Mobile______________________________________________________________Elecraft mailing listHome: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraftHelp: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htmPost: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.netThis list hosted by: http://www.qsl.netPlease help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Messagedelivered to dick at elecraft.com 

From bconder at yahoo.com  Wed Jul 17 16:58:17 2019
From: bconder at yahoo.com (Bob Conder)
Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2019 20:58:17 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] Looking for KX-1
In-Reply-To: <mailman.21451.1563366790.2818.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
References: <mailman.21451.1563366790.2818.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
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 I sold my KX-1 (thank you) but Frank w3okw is looking for one.His email is?fboots at msn.comPlease respond to himtnx, bob k4rlc

From kkinderen at gmail.com  Wed Jul 17 20:52:08 2019
From: kkinderen at gmail.com (Kevin, N4TT)
Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2019 20:52:08 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] FSK-D, Y-BOX & WinKeyer - config help please
Message-ID: <CAFA9ujtBum5UB2K2SgQNZYfBz4=8u8KPdiV60HyxywFLL4S_gA@mail.gmail.com>

I seem to be digging a deeper hole so it's time to come to the K3 experts
again.

I'm still trying to get FSK (not AFSK) to work. My setup is a K3s, Y-Box,
WinKeyer and Fldigi.

I think I have everything set up properly but something very strange is
happening. My CQ string is:

<TX>
CQ CQ CQ de <MYCALL> <MYCALL> <MYCALL>
CQ CQ CQ de <MYCALL> <MYCALL> <MYCALL> pse k
<RX>

What shows up on Fldigi when sending:

CQ CQ CQ de N4TT N4TT N4TT
CQ CQ CQ de N4TT N4TT N4TT pse k
TT N4TT PSE K

Note that last line. I don't know where it's coming from. And it is showing
up because tones are still being generated. The tone stops right after PSE
K (caps).

I have another macro:

<TX>
<CALL> de <MYCALL> <MYCALL> kn
<RX>

It sends:
 de N4TT N4TT kn
T KN

The physical setup:

WinKeyer PTT to Y-Box FSK-in (tied to Accy pin1)
WinKeyer KEY1 to Y-Box PTT-in (tied to Accy pin 4)

Radio is in DATA FSK-D 45 bps.

I'm not sure what else to try.

73,
Kevin N4TT

From jim at rhodesend.net  Wed Jul 17 22:11:19 2019
From: jim at rhodesend.net (Jim Rhodes)
Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2019 21:11:19 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] FSK-D, Y-BOX & WinKeyer - config help please
In-Reply-To: <CAFA9ujtBum5UB2K2SgQNZYfBz4=8u8KPdiV60HyxywFLL4S_gA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFA9ujtBum5UB2K2SgQNZYfBz4=8u8KPdiV60HyxywFLL4S_gA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CALhxr4a_uKOE79roPpwJNc=z3G4LZczZpFbCYD0VdCmw_=20Kg@mail.gmail.com>

OK, just to make sure. The FSK signal on the ACC connector goes to pin 1,
the PTT signal goes to pin 4 and the ground connection goes to pin 5. From
your description I am not sure how you have everything wired. I use a box I
made years ago that has the 15 pin connectors like the Y-box and 9 pin
connectors for 2 serial ports with transistor switches for FSK and PTT.
(Have been using this for years longer than the Y-box has been around. My
WinKeyer is also old and doesn't do RTTY, but then I don't need it to. This
is used on my K3, but the connector is the same of course.

On Wed, Jul 17, 2019 at 7:58 PM Kevin, N4TT <kkinderen at gmail.com> wrote:

> I seem to be digging a deeper hole so it's time to come to the K3 experts
> again.
>
> I'm still trying to get FSK (not AFSK) to work. My setup is a K3s, Y-Box,
> WinKeyer and Fldigi.
>
> I think I have everything set up properly but something very strange is
> happening. My CQ string is:
>
> <TX>
> CQ CQ CQ de <MYCALL> <MYCALL> <MYCALL>
> CQ CQ CQ de <MYCALL> <MYCALL> <MYCALL> pse k
> <RX>
>
> What shows up on Fldigi when sending:
>
> CQ CQ CQ de N4TT N4TT N4TT
> CQ CQ CQ de N4TT N4TT N4TT pse k
> TT N4TT PSE K
>
> Note that last line. I don't know where it's coming from. And it is showing
> up because tones are still being generated. The tone stops right after PSE
> K (caps).
>
> I have another macro:
>
> <TX>
> <CALL> de <MYCALL> <MYCALL> kn
> <RX>
>
> It sends:
>  de N4TT N4TT kn
> T KN
>
> The physical setup:
>
> WinKeyer PTT to Y-Box FSK-in (tied to Accy pin1)
> WinKeyer KEY1 to Y-Box PTT-in (tied to Accy pin 4)
>
> Radio is in DATA FSK-D 45 bps.
>
> I'm not sure what else to try.
>
> 73,
> Kevin N4TT
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From markmusick at outlook.com  Wed Jul 17 22:39:06 2019
From: markmusick at outlook.com (Mark Musick)
Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2019 02:39:06 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] FSK-D, Y-BOX & WinKeyer - config help please
In-Reply-To: <CAFA9ujtBum5UB2K2SgQNZYfBz4=8u8KPdiV60HyxywFLL4S_gA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFA9ujtBum5UB2K2SgQNZYfBz4=8u8KPdiV60HyxywFLL4S_gA@mail.gmail.com>
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Hi Kevin,
I don't use FLDIGI, but I can tell you what you are seeing is not a hardware issue.
The reason your seeing TT N4TT PSE K is because that is what FLDIGI is sending.
You need to look at the setup in FLDIGI.
Is there a message that has TT N4TT PSE K that is chained to the message you created?
Look in the FLDIGI manual or help file your answer may be there.

73,
Mark, WB9CIF

-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On Behalf Of Kevin, N4TT
Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2019 00:52
To: Elecraft Reflector Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: [Elecraft] FSK-D, Y-BOX & WinKeyer - config help please

I seem to be digging a deeper hole so it's time to come to the K3 experts again.

I'm still trying to get FSK (not AFSK) to work. My setup is a K3s, Y-Box, WinKeyer and Fldigi.

I think I have everything set up properly but something very strange is happening. My CQ string is:

<TX>
CQ CQ CQ de <MYCALL> <MYCALL> <MYCALL>
CQ CQ CQ de <MYCALL> <MYCALL> <MYCALL> pse k <RX>

What shows up on Fldigi when sending:

CQ CQ CQ de N4TT N4TT N4TT
CQ CQ CQ de N4TT N4TT N4TT pse k
TT N4TT PSE K

Note that last line. I don't know where it's coming from. And it is showing up because tones are still being generated. The tone stops right after PSE K (caps).

I have another macro:

<TX>
<CALL> de <MYCALL> <MYCALL> kn
<RX>

It sends:
 de N4TT N4TT kn
T KN

The physical setup:

WinKeyer PTT to Y-Box FSK-in (tied to Accy pin1) WinKeyer KEY1 to Y-Box PTT-in (tied to Accy pin 4)

Radio is in DATA FSK-D 45 bps.

I'm not sure what else to try.

73,
Kevin N4TT
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From kkinderen at gmail.com  Wed Jul 17 22:44:50 2019
From: kkinderen at gmail.com (Kevin, N4TT)
Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2019 22:44:50 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] FSK-D, Y-BOX & WinKeyer - config help please
In-Reply-To: <BN8PR05MB6387CF48861B798D270935B6C3C80@BN8PR05MB6387.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
References: <CAFA9ujtBum5UB2K2SgQNZYfBz4=8u8KPdiV60HyxywFLL4S_gA@mail.gmail.com>
	<BN8PR05MB6387CF48861B798D270935B6C3C80@BN8PR05MB6387.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CAFA9ujuFmnpdud9yUF0OBg93U5x+i_0Nm2X-ip14GJU1s_SOSw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Mark... I'm sure you're right that it is something Fldigi is sending but
it is not part of the macro. It's the same macro I use with AFSK (and CW).
It seems to only happen when the macro contains <RX> which is supposed to
put the rig back into receive at the end of the macro. If I send the same
macro without <RX> then there are no additional characters sent.

I'll probably head over to the fldigi forum soon and see what's said there.

Kev



On Wed, Jul 17, 2019 at 10:39 PM Mark Musick <markmusick at outlook.com> wrote:

> Hi Kevin,
> I don't use FLDIGI, but I can tell you what you are seeing is not a
> hardware issue.
> The reason your seeing TT N4TT PSE K is because that is what FLDIGI is
> sending.
> You need to look at the setup in FLDIGI.
> Is there a message that has TT N4TT PSE K that is chained to the message
> you created?
> Look in the FLDIGI manual or help file your answer may be there.
>
> 73,
> Mark, WB9CIF
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net>
> On Behalf Of Kevin, N4TT
> Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2019 00:52
> To: Elecraft Reflector Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: [Elecraft] FSK-D, Y-BOX & WinKeyer - config help please
>
> I seem to be digging a deeper hole so it's time to come to the K3 experts
> again.
>
> I'm still trying to get FSK (not AFSK) to work. My setup is a K3s, Y-Box,
> WinKeyer and Fldigi.
>
> I think I have everything set up properly but something very strange is
> happening. My CQ string is:
>
> <TX>
> CQ CQ CQ de <MYCALL> <MYCALL> <MYCALL>
> CQ CQ CQ de <MYCALL> <MYCALL> <MYCALL> pse k <RX>
>
> What shows up on Fldigi when sending:
>
> CQ CQ CQ de N4TT N4TT N4TT
> CQ CQ CQ de N4TT N4TT N4TT pse k
> TT N4TT PSE K
>
> Note that last line. I don't know where it's coming from. And it is
> showing up because tones are still being generated. The tone stops right
> after PSE K (caps).
>
> I have another macro:
>
> <TX>
> <CALL> de <MYCALL> <MYCALL> kn
> <RX>
>
> It sends:
>  de N4TT N4TT kn
> T KN
>
> The physical setup:
>
> WinKeyer PTT to Y-Box FSK-in (tied to Accy pin1) WinKeyer KEY1 to Y-Box
> PTT-in (tied to Accy pin 4)
>
> Radio is in DATA FSK-D 45 bps.
>
> I'm not sure what else to try.
>
> 73,
> Kevin N4TT
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From markmusick at outlook.com  Wed Jul 17 23:07:47 2019
From: markmusick at outlook.com (Mark Musick)
Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2019 03:07:47 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] FSK-D, Y-BOX & WinKeyer - config help please
In-Reply-To: <CAFA9ujuFmnpdud9yUF0OBg93U5x+i_0Nm2X-ip14GJU1s_SOSw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFA9ujtBum5UB2K2SgQNZYfBz4=8u8KPdiV60HyxywFLL4S_gA@mail.gmail.com>
	<BN8PR05MB6387CF48861B798D270935B6C3C80@BN8PR05MB6387.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
	<CAFA9ujuFmnpdud9yUF0OBg93U5x+i_0Nm2X-ip14GJU1s_SOSw@mail.gmail.com>
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Kevin,
I think going to the FLDIGI reflector is your best bet.
It is good to know it is a FLDIGI issue and not a hardware issue.
Sorry I couldn?t be more help.
Good luck finding the fix and please let us know here on the Elecraft reflector what you find.

73,
Mark, WB9CIF

From: Kevin, N4TT <kkinderen at gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2019 02:45
To: Mark Musick <markmusick at outlook.com>
Cc: Elecraft Reflector Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] FSK-D, Y-BOX & WinKeyer - config help please

Hi Mark... I'm sure you're right that it is something Fldigi is sending but it is not part of the macro. It's the same macro I use with AFSK (and CW). It seems to only happen when the macro contains <RX> which is supposed to put the rig back into receive at the end of the macro. If I send the same macro without <RX> then there are no additional characters sent.

I'll probably head over to the fldigi forum soon and see what's said there.

Kev



On Wed, Jul 17, 2019 at 10:39 PM Mark Musick <markmusick at outlook.com<mailto:markmusick at outlook.com>> wrote:
Hi Kevin,
I don't use FLDIGI, but I can tell you what you are seeing is not a hardware issue.
The reason your seeing TT N4TT PSE K is because that is what FLDIGI is sending.
You need to look at the setup in FLDIGI.
Is there a message that has TT N4TT PSE K that is chained to the message you created?
Look in the FLDIGI manual or help file your answer may be there.

73,
Mark, WB9CIF

-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net<mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net<mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net>> On Behalf Of Kevin, N4TT
Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2019 00:52
To: Elecraft Reflector Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net<mailto:elecraft at mailman.qth.net>>
Subject: [Elecraft] FSK-D, Y-BOX & WinKeyer - config help please

I seem to be digging a deeper hole so it's time to come to the K3 experts again.

I'm still trying to get FSK (not AFSK) to work. My setup is a K3s, Y-Box, WinKeyer and Fldigi.

I think I have everything set up properly but something very strange is happening. My CQ string is:

<TX>
CQ CQ CQ de <MYCALL> <MYCALL> <MYCALL>
CQ CQ CQ de <MYCALL> <MYCALL> <MYCALL> pse k <RX>

What shows up on Fldigi when sending:

CQ CQ CQ de N4TT N4TT N4TT
CQ CQ CQ de N4TT N4TT N4TT pse k
TT N4TT PSE K

Note that last line. I don't know where it's coming from. And it is showing up because tones are still being generated. The tone stops right after PSE K (caps).

I have another macro:

<TX>
<CALL> de <MYCALL> <MYCALL> kn
<RX>

It sends:
 de N4TT N4TT kn
T KN

The physical setup:

WinKeyer PTT to Y-Box FSK-in (tied to Accy pin1) WinKeyer KEY1 to Y-Box PTT-in (tied to Accy pin 4)

Radio is in DATA FSK-D 45 bps.

I'm not sure what else to try.

73,
Kevin N4TT
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From lladerman at earthlink.net  Thu Jul 18 08:04:02 2019
From: lladerman at earthlink.net (W0FK)
Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2019 05:04:02 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] FS: P3 Panadapter
Message-ID: <1563451442937-0.post@n2.nabble.com>

  
P3 Panadapter. Comes with cblp3y cable to interface with the K3S and cables
for the K3. $585 plus shipping. PayPal, Zelle and checks accepted, US sales
only. Lou, W0FK 
  




-----
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genius has its limits." Albert Einstein


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From rdewan1 at rochester.rr.com  Thu Jul 18 10:03:13 2019
From: rdewan1 at rochester.rr.com (Rajiv Dewan)
Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2019 14:03:13 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] KIO3B usb com port not communicating
Message-ID: <emdbd76157-b09b-4c1c-a9cf-e44f9e7725a8@desktop-uq0nqcq>

Hello,

   I have KIO3B (USB interface) in my K3.  It was working well. Single 
USB for audio, and CAT.

Suddenly, now the CAT part is not working.  Here are some aspects:
* RS232 in K3/Config shows USB
* Serial port 1 shows up in device manager on the windows computer when 
the USB is plugged in.  The sound codecs are working.
* Nothing communicates with the K3 CAT any more (K3 utility, and logging 
programs do not see the K3 on the com1.)
* I tried it on a new laptop with a fresh USB cable.  Exactly the same 
issue.

Any help appreciated.

Raj, N2RD
K3 sn 170

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From nr4c at widomaker.com  Thu Jul 18 12:40:29 2019
From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c)
Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2019 12:40:29 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KIO3B usb com port not communicating
In-Reply-To: <emdbd76157-b09b-4c1c-a9cf-e44f9e7725a8@desktop-uq0nqcq>
References: <emdbd76157-b09b-4c1c-a9cf-e44f9e7725a8@desktop-uq0nqcq>
Message-ID: <F045F451-5BB2-4F49-981E-68B6302E8494@widomaker.com>

On a Windows computer the USB com port will be something other than ?1?. 

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill


> On Jul 18, 2019, at 10:03 AM, Rajiv Dewan <rdewan1 at rochester.rr.com> wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
>  I have KIO3B (USB interface) in my K3.  It was working well. Single USB for audio, and CAT.
> 
> Suddenly, now the CAT part is not working.  Here are some aspects:
> * RS232 in K3/Config shows USB
> * Serial port 1 shows up in device manager on the windows computer when the USB is plugged in.  The sound codecs are working.
> * Nothing communicates with the K3 CAT any more (K3 utility, and logging programs do not see the K3 on the com1.)
> * I tried it on a new laptop with a fresh USB cable.  Exactly the same issue.
> 
> Any help appreciated.
> 
> Raj, N2RD
> K3 sn 170
> 
> --
> Raj Dewan, N2RD
> rdewan1 at rochester.rr.com
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From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Thu Jul 18 12:53:40 2019
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2019 12:53:40 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KIO3B usb com port not communicating
In-Reply-To: <emdbd76157-b09b-4c1c-a9cf-e44f9e7725a8@desktop-uq0nqcq>
References: <emdbd76157-b09b-4c1c-a9cf-e44f9e7725a8@desktop-uq0nqcq>
Message-ID: <d7378004-09de-7d66-bbef-85a321e127e5@embarqmail.com>

Raj,

Try looking in Device Manager again.  Which COM port goes away when you 
unplug the USB cable from the computer?  COM1 is normally reserved for 
the motherboard serial port - which will be RS-232 and not USB.  It will 
be there whether it is connected to the back panel or not.

Then plug the USB cable back in - which COM port is assigned?  Put that 
COM port number into K3 Utility and try to connect.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 7/18/2019 10:03 AM, Rajiv Dewan wrote:
> Hello,
> 
>  ? I have KIO3B (USB interface) in my K3.? It was working well. Single 
> USB for audio, and CAT.
> 
> Suddenly, now the CAT part is not working.? Here are some aspects:
> * RS232 in K3/Config shows USB
> * Serial port 1 shows up in device manager on the windows computer when 
> the USB is plugged in.? The sound codecs are working.
> * Nothing communicates with the K3 CAT any more (K3 utility, and logging 
> programs do not see the K3 on the com1.)
> * I tried it on a new laptop with a fresh USB cable.? Exactly the same 
> issue.

From mike at mdodd.com  Thu Jul 18 22:51:55 2019
From: mike at mdodd.com (Mike Dodd)
Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2019 22:51:55 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3s configuration question
Message-ID: <5D31304B.7010306@mdodd.com>

When operating RTTY contests like NAQP, I like to run my KPA500 at 100W, 
vs. running the K3s at full power. Reason: both the K3 and the KPA run 
their final amps cooler.

Usually I have my K3s configured for 100W when the KPA500 is off on on 
Standby, and configured to drive the KPA at 500W when it's operating.

But If I turn on the KPA and want to run it at 100W, I have to lower the 
K3's drive power, then increase it after the contest.

QUESTION: Does the configuration saved by the K3 utility include 
per-band power settings for the K3 only AND the K3 plus the KPA?

If so, can I then save a "normal" configuration, then lower the K3 drive 
and save a "100W KPA output" configuration? If I later restored one of 
these configurations, would the K3s return to those per-band power settings?

Thanks for any information on this.

-- 
73, Mike N4CF
Louisa County, VA USA
Elecraft K-Line: K3s / P3 / KPA500 / KAT500
Carolina Windom up 45'
http://n4cf.mdodd.com

From kkinderen at gmail.com  Fri Jul 19 00:54:15 2019
From: kkinderen at gmail.com (Kevin, N4TT)
Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2019 00:54:15 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] FSK-D, Y-BOX & WinKeyer - config help please
In-Reply-To: <BN8PR05MB638719D78A5AEEC0EA88C8F1C3C80@BN8PR05MB6387.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
References: <CAFA9ujtBum5UB2K2SgQNZYfBz4=8u8KPdiV60HyxywFLL4S_gA@mail.gmail.com>
	<BN8PR05MB6387CF48861B798D270935B6C3C80@BN8PR05MB6387.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
	<CAFA9ujuFmnpdud9yUF0OBg93U5x+i_0Nm2X-ip14GJU1s_SOSw@mail.gmail.com>
	<BN8PR05MB638719D78A5AEEC0EA88C8F1C3C80@BN8PR05MB6387.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CAFA9ujsG3Q2sQOH0mSNzCLCYU84fBuEPbe_E7KBjmgj1MSij5w@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks everyone. I think I have the combination of K3s, Fldigi, WinKeyer
and Y-Box doing FSK OK. All my issues seemed to be centered around Fldigi
quirks. Pretty frustrating but done is done.

The Y-box ties everything together nicely and exposes the FSK and PTT pins
for easy access from the WinKeyer.

Let me know if you want my notes about setting up the WinKeyer with Fldigi
for FSK.

73,
Kev N4TT



On Wed, Jul 17, 2019 at 11:07 PM Mark Musick <markmusick at outlook.com> wrote:

> Kevin,
>
> I think going to the FLDIGI reflector is your best bet.
>
> It is good to know it is a FLDIGI issue and not a hardware issue.
>
> Sorry I couldn?t be more help.
>
> Good luck finding the fix and please let us know here on the Elecraft
> reflector what you find.
>
>
>
> 73,
>
> Mark, WB9CIF
>
>
>
> *From:* Kevin, N4TT <kkinderen at gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Thursday, July 18, 2019 02:45
> *To:* Mark Musick <markmusick at outlook.com>
> *Cc:* Elecraft Reflector Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> *Subject:* Re: [Elecraft] FSK-D, Y-BOX & WinKeyer - config help please
>
>
>
> Hi Mark... I'm sure you're right that it is something Fldigi is sending
> but it is not part of the macro. It's the same macro I use with AFSK (and
> CW). It seems to only happen when the macro contains <RX> which is supposed
> to put the rig back into receive at the end of the macro. If I send the
> same macro without <RX> then there are no additional characters sent.
>
>
>
> I'll probably head over to the fldigi forum soon and see what's said there.
>
>
>
> Kev
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 17, 2019 at 10:39 PM Mark Musick <markmusick at outlook.com>
> wrote:
>
> Hi Kevin,
> I don't use FLDIGI, but I can tell you what you are seeing is not a
> hardware issue.
> The reason your seeing TT N4TT PSE K is because that is what FLDIGI is
> sending.
> You need to look at the setup in FLDIGI.
> Is there a message that has TT N4TT PSE K that is chained to the message
> you created?
> Look in the FLDIGI manual or help file your answer may be there.
>
> 73,
> Mark, WB9CIF
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net>
> On Behalf Of Kevin, N4TT
> Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2019 00:52
> To: Elecraft Reflector Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: [Elecraft] FSK-D, Y-BOX & WinKeyer - config help please
>
> I seem to be digging a deeper hole so it's time to come to the K3 experts
> again.
>
> I'm still trying to get FSK (not AFSK) to work. My setup is a K3s, Y-Box,
> WinKeyer and Fldigi.
>
> I think I have everything set up properly but something very strange is
> happening. My CQ string is:
>
> <TX>
> CQ CQ CQ de <MYCALL> <MYCALL> <MYCALL>
> CQ CQ CQ de <MYCALL> <MYCALL> <MYCALL> pse k <RX>
>
> What shows up on Fldigi when sending:
>
> CQ CQ CQ de N4TT N4TT N4TT
> CQ CQ CQ de N4TT N4TT N4TT pse k
> TT N4TT PSE K
>
> Note that last line. I don't know where it's coming from. And it is
> showing up because tones are still being generated. The tone stops right
> after PSE K (caps).
>
> I have another macro:
>
> <TX>
> <CALL> de <MYCALL> <MYCALL> kn
> <RX>
>
> It sends:
>  de N4TT N4TT kn
> T KN
>
> The physical setup:
>
> WinKeyer PTT to Y-Box FSK-in (tied to Accy pin1) WinKeyer KEY1 to Y-Box
> PTT-in (tied to Accy pin 4)
>
> Radio is in DATA FSK-D 45 bps.
>
> I'm not sure what else to try.
>
> 73,
> Kevin N4TT
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From roger at mulzer.de  Fri Jul 19 04:14:54 2019
From: roger at mulzer.de (Roger)
Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2019 10:14:54 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S AGC action in CW
Message-ID: <000301d53e0a$0c155f60$24401e20$@mulzer.de>

Hi,

when operating the K3S in CW mode I found there is no difference in
switching between AGC-F(ast) and AGC-S(slow). It seems the "default" setting
is on slow and does not go to fast (compared to the decay characteristic in
SSB). 
The manual explains that the AGC Fast/Slow response should also be effective
in CW.

Can anyone confirm this behavior (or not)?

Firmware version is 5.66 (actually supposed to be 5.67 with the "label" of
the previous version).

73/Roger - DL5RBW



From k6xk at ncn.net  Fri Jul 19 06:20:35 2019
From: k6xk at ncn.net (Roy)
Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2019 05:20:35 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S AGC action in CW
In-Reply-To: <000301d53e0a$0c155f60$24401e20$@mulzer.de>
References: <000301d53e0a$0c155f60$24401e20$@mulzer.de>
Message-ID: <2993212f-ce03-4929-f459-a27bf86e8e9c@ncn.net>

Roger,


My K3s AGC works as expected -- goodluck.

73,?? Roy?? K6XK



> Hi,
>
> when operating the K3S in CW mode I found there is no difference in
> switching between AGC-F(ast) and AGC-S(slow). It seems the "default" setting
> is on slow and does not go to fast (compared to the decay characteristic in
> SSB).
> The manual explains that the AGC Fast/Slow response should also be effective
> in CW.
>
> Can anyone confirm this behavior (or not)?
>
> Firmware version is 5.66 (actually supposed to be 5.67 with the "label" of
> the previous version).
>
> 73/Roger - DL5RBW
>
>
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From nr4c at widomaker.com  Fri Jul 19 06:29:05 2019
From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c)
Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2019 06:29:05 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3s configuration question
In-Reply-To: <5D31304B.7010306@mdodd.com>
References: <5D31304B.7010306@mdodd.com>
Message-ID: <C9CEF330-7A15-45DE-92CF-B2EC3BD4D86D@widomaker.com>

As to using KPA500 at 100 Watts, this is now legal. Up to a few years ago, rules said you could ?not use an amp capable of more than 100Watts?. This actually disallowed several radios capable of 110W or 200 W. 

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill


> On Jul 18, 2019, at 10:51 PM, Mike Dodd <mike at mdodd.com> wrote:
> 
> When operating RTTY contests like NAQP, I like to run my KPA500 at 100W, vs. running the K3s at full power. Reason: both the K3 and the KPA run their final amps cooler.
> 
> Usually I have my K3s configured for 100W when the KPA500 is off on on Standby, and configured to drive the KPA at 500W when it's operating.
> 
> But If I turn on the KPA and want to run it at 100W, I have to lower the K3's drive power, then increase it after the contest.
> 
> QUESTION: Does the configuration saved by the K3 utility include per-band power settings for the K3 only AND the K3 plus the KPA?
> 
> If so, can I then save a "normal" configuration, then lower the K3 drive and save a "100W KPA output" configuration? If I later restored one of these configurations, would the K3s return to those per-band power settings?
> 
> Thanks for any information on this.
> 
> -- 
> 73, Mike N4CF
> Louisa County, VA USA
> Elecraft K-Line: K3s / P3 / KPA500 / KAT500
> Carolina Windom up 45'
> http://n4cf.mdodd.com
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From kenk3iu at cox.net  Fri Jul 19 06:34:05 2019
From: kenk3iu at cox.net (Ken K3IU)
Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2019 06:34:05 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S AGC action in CW
In-Reply-To: <000301d53e0a$0c155f60$24401e20$@mulzer.de>
References: <000301d53e0a$0c155f60$24401e20$@mulzer.de>
Message-ID: <11187ec2-249e-6888-6d09-dba6b8dc90ef@cox.net>

There are numerous AGC adjustments available in the CONFIG 
menu. You can probably find something to suit you there.
73, Ken K3IU
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

On 7/19/2019 4:14 AM, Roger wrote:
> Hi,
>
> when operating the K3S in CW mode I found there is no difference in
> switching between AGC-F(ast) and AGC-S(slow). It seems the "default" setting
> is on slow and does not go to fast (compared to the decay characteristic in
> SSB).
> The manual explains that the AGC Fast/Slow response should also be effective
> in CW.
>
> Can anyone confirm this behavior (or not)?
>
> Firmware version is 5.66 (actually supposed to be 5.67 with the "label" of
> the previous version).
>
> 73/Roger - DL5RBW
>
>
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From aaherbauc at hotmail.com  Fri Jul 19 07:09:23 2019
From: aaherbauc at hotmail.com (Andrew Herbaugh)
Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2019 11:09:23 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] K1 Filter Board
Message-ID: <BN8PR14MB3041DEB1E74583973E32FCB8A5CB0@BN8PR14MB3041.namprd14.prod.outlook.com>

I am in search of a 2 band or 4 band filter board for a K1.  Any help would be appreciated, you may contact me by e-mail at aaherbauc at hotmail.com.

Andy
NR8N

From kt0tt.ham at gmail.com  Fri Jul 19 08:59:18 2019
From: kt0tt.ham at gmail.com (A Kiddoo)
Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2019 07:59:18 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] MFJ 1234
Message-ID: <E2B5780F-C303-46DE-A261-52F2DFAFB6EE@gmail.com>

John-

Been there done that with RigPi. This thing is a ?glitter turd?. RigPi gives you variable remote control of VFO. Period. All other radio control is via on/off buttons. Want to change your bandpass, IF shift, RF gain, etc? Nope. Only on/off buttons that you have to program via hamlib commands. Then there is the all the issues setting up Mumble for audio transport. I had two beta testers contact me privately admitting that RigPi was released too soon. MFJ claims ?Easy as 1-2-3.? -  1. Turn on 2. Config 3. Goto 1.
I sold mine for a $75 loss and told the buyer what to expect. His problem now. If you could get Mumble or a similar program to work for audio transport, you would be $300 ahead to setup Rpi with VNC and install Flrig (which has variable controls) and any other software you want to use. RigPi tells you to use VNC for digital modes anyway - so why buy it?

From roger at mulzer.de  Fri Jul 19 11:40:30 2019
From: roger at mulzer.de (Roger)
Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2019 17:40:30 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S AGC action in CW
In-Reply-To: <11187ec2-249e-6888-6d09-dba6b8dc90ef@cox.net>
References: <000301d53e0a$0c155f60$24401e20$@mulzer.de>
	<11187ec2-249e-6888-6d09-dba6b8dc90ef@cox.net>
Message-ID: <000601d53e48$4c23ce00$e46b6a00$@mulzer.de>


That was the first thing I did (including reading and rereading the manual) however changing the settings didn?t affect the AGC action in CW. The AGC settings are identical in all modes (default) therefore I would expect identical behavior in all modes. And in fact it does EXCEPT for CW. No matter whether AGC is set to fast or slow in CW it stays slow. 

73/Roger - DL5RBW

-----Original Message-----
From: Ken K3IU [mailto:kenk3iu at cox.net] 
Sent: Friday, July 19, 2019 12:34 PM
To: Roger; elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S AGC action in CW

There are numerous AGC adjustments available in the CONFIG menu. You can probably find something to suit you there.
73, Ken K3IU
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

On 7/19/2019 4:14 AM, Roger wrote:
> Hi,
>
> when operating the K3S in CW mode I found there is no difference in 
> switching between AGC-F(ast) and AGC-S(slow). It seems the "default" 
> setting is on slow and does not go to fast (compared to the decay 
> characteristic in SSB).
> The manual explains that the AGC Fast/Slow response should also be 
> effective in CW.
>
> Can anyone confirm this behavior (or not)?
>
> Firmware version is 5.66 (actually supposed to be 5.67 with the 
> "label" of the previous version).
>
> 73/Roger - DL5RBW
>
>
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From roger at mulzer.de  Fri Jul 19 12:46:50 2019
From: roger at mulzer.de (Roger)
Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2019 18:46:50 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S AGC action in CW
Message-ID: <000001d53e51$907111e0$b15335a0$@mulzer.de>

Please ignore - problem solved!

73/Roger - DL5RBW





From kg9hfrank at gmail.com  Fri Jul 19 12:50:45 2019
From: kg9hfrank at gmail.com (Frank Krozel)
Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2019 11:50:45 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S AGC action in CW
In-Reply-To: <000001d53e51$907111e0$b15335a0$@mulzer.de>
References: <000001d53e51$907111e0$b15335a0$@mulzer.de>
Message-ID: <F54EEDC3-10E3-4AE1-90E6-3F9D7E19BD6C@gmail.com>

How was it resolved?
Frank

> On Jul 19, 2019, at 11:46 AM, Roger <roger at mulzer.de> wrote:
> 
> Please ignore - problem solved!
> 
> 73/Roger - DL5RBW
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From scott.manthe at gmail.com  Fri Jul 19 13:05:32 2019
From: scott.manthe at gmail.com (Scott Manthe)
Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2019 13:05:32 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Question on value of K3/100, P3, KRX3,
 KSYN3A and other items possibly for sale
Message-ID: <a6d76e7b-60d0-2efa-4cb5-624bfad86c5b@gmail.com>

Due to lack of use and some unexpected expenses this summer, I'm 
considering selling my K3 (SN3019), an unbuilt P3 kit, KRX3 and a set of 
KSYN3As and a PR6-10 preamp. I'm having some trouble setting a value on 
these items. If anyone ca offer some guidance, I'd really appreciate it!

The K3/100, SN3019, is unmodded and includes the following, in excellent 
condition:

 ? ? ?KAT3
 ? ? ?KBPF3
 ? ? ?KXV3
 ? ? ?KIO3
 ? ? ?KNB3
 ? ? ?MH2
 ? ? ?KFL3A-6K
 ? ? ?KFL3A-2.7K
 ? ? ?KFL3A-500
 ? ? ?KFL3A-200

The K3 also has an extra set of stainless screws.

Unbuilt P3 kit, new in the box. Completely stock, as new, just opened 
the box to take a look at the kit.

KRX3 sub-receiver. Bought this used to install in the K3, but never got 
around to ding it. Comes with the 8-pole, 2.8 Khz filter.

Set of 2 KSYN3A synthesizers. Again, bought these to install in the K3 
and KRX3, but never got around to doing it.

PR6-10 preamp. Used for a couple of months. Works great.

KFL3B-FM FM filter

KFL3A-2.7 standard 5 pole filter

Thanks and 73,

Scott N9AA



From roger at mulzer.de  Fri Jul 19 13:20:05 2019
From: roger at mulzer.de (Roger)
Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2019 19:20:05 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S AGC action in CW
In-Reply-To: <CAKynJKkn8KKcyGr+0hH3fXNTnDgdLtrT9DyOkHw0C51dHUxpmg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <000001d53e51$907111e0$b15335a0$@mulzer.de>
	<CAKynJKkn8KKcyGr+0hH3fXNTnDgdLtrT9DyOkHw0C51dHUxpmg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000401d53e56$359c4140$a0d4c3c0$@mulzer.de>

Alright I understand............. J

 

By browsing the firmware archive I found a pretty old firmware version announcing an the implementation of an independent AGC system whenever ?CW Decode? is enabled. I enabled this function a while ago to see how good it is compared to human ears and brain and being lazy I let it enabled. So if you enable CW Decode the AGC will be locked to what is ?slow? (with the default values). Disabling CW Decode the radio returns to the regular AGC system and works as in all other modes.

 

Hope this helps someone else now or in the future??????..

 

73, Roger, DL5RBW

 

From: Dave Sublette [mailto:k4to.dave at gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, July 19, 2019 6:52 PM
To: Roger
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S AGC action in CW

 

No,no. You can't get off that easy. You must tell why the problem occurred and how it was solved.  ?

 

Dave K4TO 

 

On Fri, Jul 19, 2019, 12:47 PM Roger <roger at mulzer.de> wrote:

Please ignore - problem solved!

73/Roger - DL5RBW




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From rdewan1 at rochester.rr.com  Fri Jul 19 14:32:54 2019
From: rdewan1 at rochester.rr.com (Rajiv Dewan)
Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2019 18:32:54 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] KIO3B usb com port not communicating
In-Reply-To: <3021304c-80ab-46d8-47e3-7beab96db173@embarqmail.com>
References: <emdbd76157-b09b-4c1c-a9cf-e44f9e7725a8@desktop-uq0nqcq>
	<3021304c-80ab-46d8-47e3-7beab96db173@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <emfa12aa9b-bb0b-43ed-bbf8-7dcfb71bd041@desktop-uq0nqcq>

Hello all, especially Don,

  The last tip helped make progress.  I unplugged the P3 connected via 
the RJ45 jack and suddenly my USB/CAT came back to life.

   And, this disruption is repeatable.  Plug the P3 back and again it 
stops working.  Unplug, works again.

   Now, I will look to see what is up with the P3.  I checked the 
firmware on the P3.  It is running the latest.

   Raj

--
Raj Dewan, N2RD
rdewan1 at rochester.rr.com

------ Original Message ------
From: "Don Wilhelm" <donwilh at embarqmail.com>
To: "Rajiv Dewan" <rdewan1 at rochester.rr.com>
Sent: 7/19/2019 1:32:38 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KIO3B usb com port not communicating

>Raj,
>
>Email support at elecraft.com
>
>73,
>Don W3FPR
>
>On 7/18/2019 10:03 AM, Rajiv Dewan wrote:
>>Hello,
>>
>>    I have KIO3B (USB interface) in my K3.  It was working well. Single USB for audio, and CAT.
>>
>>Suddenly, now the CAT part is not working.  Here are some aspects:
>>* RS232 in K3/Config shows USB
>>* Serial port 1 shows up in device manager on the windows computer when the USB is plugged in.  The sound codecs are working.
>>* Nothing communicates with the K3 CAT any more (K3 utility, and logging programs do not see the K3 on the com1.)
>>* I tried it on a new laptop with a fresh USB cable.  Exactly the same issue.
>>
>>Any help appreciated.
>>
>>Raj, N2RD
>>K3 sn 170
>>
>>-- Raj Dewan, N2RD
>>rdewan1 at rochester.rr.com
>>______________________________________________________________
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>>Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
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From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Fri Jul 19 14:42:38 2019
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2019 14:42:38 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KIO3B usb com port not communicating
In-Reply-To: <emfa12aa9b-bb0b-43ed-bbf8-7dcfb71bd041@desktop-uq0nqcq>
References: <emdbd76157-b09b-4c1c-a9cf-e44f9e7725a8@desktop-uq0nqcq>
	<3021304c-80ab-46d8-47e3-7beab96db173@embarqmail.com>
	<emfa12aa9b-bb0b-43ed-bbf8-7dcfb71bd041@desktop-uq0nqcq>
Message-ID: <3513251c-ae08-e675-0b55-a7faa1c2ed00@embarqmail.com>

Raj,

Don't overlook the possibility that the RJ-45 jack could be damaged.
If you have ever accidently plugged the USB cable into that jack - it 
almost fits, but will damage the RJ-45 jack.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 7/19/2019 2:32 PM, Rajiv Dewan wrote:
> Hello all, especially Don,
>
> ?The last tip helped make progress.? I unplugged the P3 connected via 
> the RJ45 jack and suddenly my USB/CAT came back to life.
>
> ? And, this disruption is repeatable.? Plug the P3 back and again it 
> stops working.? Unplug, works again.
>
> ? Now, I will look to see what is up with the P3.? I checked the 
> firmware on the P3.? It is running the latest.
>


From cbjesseeNH at comcast.net  Fri Jul 19 15:36:29 2019
From: cbjesseeNH at comcast.net (MaverickNH)
Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2019 12:36:29 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] KX2/AX1 WSPR vs FT8
Message-ID: <1563564989428-0.post@n2.nabble.com>

I'm running my KX2 on 5W with a AX1 vertical loaded whip on 20m with two
counterpoise cut for 1/4 wave. I'm able to RX/TX WSPR with my spots heard in
minus single digits - some positive single digits. I'm also able to RX FT8
but unable to QSO - nobody apparently hears me on HamSpots.

It seems I have my answer but was hoping that if I could get my signal
spotted on WSPR I should get *some* spots on FT8. Perhaps FT8 has gone well
out of low power and I'm in the weeds. That and I'm using vertical
polarization with most horizontal. I'll add I'm operating inside hotel rooms
while traveling but I figured walls stop WSPR and FT8 equivalently, but the
2min vs 15sec cycle times come into play as well.

Bret/N4SRN



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From w7hsg at comcast.net  Fri Jul 19 15:41:06 2019
From: w7hsg at comcast.net (RALPH TURK)
Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2019 13:41:06 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [Elecraft] KIO3B usb com port not communicating
In-Reply-To: <emfa12aa9b-bb0b-43ed-bbf8-7dcfb71bd041@desktop-uq0nqcq>
References: <emdbd76157-b09b-4c1c-a9cf-e44f9e7725a8@desktop-uq0nqcq>
	<3021304c-80ab-46d8-47e3-7beab96db173@embarqmail.com>
	<emfa12aa9b-bb0b-43ed-bbf8-7dcfb71bd041@desktop-uq0nqcq>
Message-ID: <1619441687.929829.1563565267214@connect.xfinity.com>

Raj
Check the RJ45 jack very carefully.  One of the wires might have bent slightly
and shorts out the adjacent wire.  I have found that a few times when repairing
computer problems for friend & family
Ralph, W7HSG/AFA9RT 


> On July 19, 2019 at 12:32 PM Rajiv Dewan <rdewan1 at rochester.rr.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> Hello all, especially Don,
> 
>   The last tip helped make progress.  I unplugged the P3 connected via 
> the RJ45 jack and suddenly my USB/CAT came back to life.
> 
>    And, this disruption is repeatable.  Plug the P3 back and again it 
> stops working.  Unplug, works again.
> 
>    Now, I will look to see what is up with the P3.  I checked the 
> firmware on the P3.  It is running the latest.
> 
>    Raj
> 
> --
> Raj Dewan, N2RD
> rdewan1 at rochester.rr.com
> 
> ------ Original Message ------
> From: "Don Wilhelm" <donwilh at embarqmail.com>
> To: "Rajiv Dewan" <rdewan1 at rochester.rr.com>
> Sent: 7/19/2019 1:32:38 PM
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KIO3B usb com port not communicating
> 
> >Raj,
> >
> >Email support at elecraft.com
> >
> >73,
> >Don W3FPR
> >
> >On 7/18/2019 10:03 AM, Rajiv Dewan wrote:
> >>Hello,
> >>
> >>    I have KIO3B (USB interface) in my K3.  It was working well. Single USB for audio, and CAT.
> >>
> >>Suddenly, now the CAT part is not working.  Here are some aspects:
> >>* RS232 in K3/Config shows USB
> >>* Serial port 1 shows up in device manager on the windows computer when the USB is plugged in.  The sound codecs are working.
> >>* Nothing communicates with the K3 CAT any more (K3 utility, and logging programs do not see the K3 on the com1.)
> >>* I tried it on a new laptop with a fresh USB cable.  Exactly the same issue.
> >>
> >>Any help appreciated.
> >>
> >>Raj, N2RD
> >>K3 sn 170
> >>
> >>-- Raj Dewan, N2RD
> >>rdewan1 at rochester.rr.com
> >>______________________________________________________________
> >>Elecraft mailing list
> >>Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
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From jackbrindle at me.com  Fri Jul 19 15:59:14 2019
From: jackbrindle at me.com (Jack Brindle)
Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2019 12:59:14 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KIO3B usb com port not communicating
In-Reply-To: <emfa12aa9b-bb0b-43ed-bbf8-7dcfb71bd041@desktop-uq0nqcq>
References: <emdbd76157-b09b-4c1c-a9cf-e44f9e7725a8@desktop-uq0nqcq>
	<3021304c-80ab-46d8-47e3-7beab96db173@embarqmail.com>
	<emfa12aa9b-bb0b-43ed-bbf8-7dcfb71bd041@desktop-uq0nqcq>
Message-ID: <2AB681F2-564A-4169-9D9B-B9719C89D8CF@me.com>

Do you have BOTH plugs connected to the P3? You need to use the cable that has not one, but two DE-9 connectors - this allows the data to flow from the USB interface through the P3 and then back to the K3S. Without it, I would expect exactly the behavior you describe. In fact, I experienced exactly the behavior, which is why I know.

Be sure to use the double DE9 cable, not the one with just a single DE9. 

73!
Jack, W6FB

> On Jul 19, 2019, at 11:32 AM, Rajiv Dewan <rdewan1 at rochester.rr.com> wrote:
> 
> Hello all, especially Don,
> 
> The last tip helped make progress.  I unplugged the P3 connected via the RJ45 jack and suddenly my USB/CAT came back to life.
> 
>  And, this disruption is repeatable.  Plug the P3 back and again it stops working.  Unplug, works again.
> 
>  Now, I will look to see what is up with the P3.  I checked the firmware on the P3.  It is running the latest.
> 
>  Raj
> 
> --
> Raj Dewan, N2RD
> rdewan1 at rochester.rr.com
> 
> ------ Original Message ------
> From: "Don Wilhelm" <donwilh at embarqmail.com>
> To: "Rajiv Dewan" <rdewan1 at rochester.rr.com>
> Sent: 7/19/2019 1:32:38 PM
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KIO3B usb com port not communicating
> 
>> Raj,
>> 
>> Email support at elecraft.com
>> 
>> 73,
>> Don W3FPR
>> 
>> On 7/18/2019 10:03 AM, Rajiv Dewan wrote:
>>> Hello,
>>> 
>>>   I have KIO3B (USB interface) in my K3.  It was working well. Single USB for audio, and CAT.
>>> 
>>> Suddenly, now the CAT part is not working.  Here are some aspects:
>>> * RS232 in K3/Config shows USB
>>> * Serial port 1 shows up in device manager on the windows computer when the USB is plugged in.  The sound codecs are working.
>>> * Nothing communicates with the K3 CAT any more (K3 utility, and logging programs do not see the K3 on the com1.)
>>> * I tried it on a new laptop with a fresh USB cable.  Exactly the same issue.
>>> 
>>> Any help appreciated.
>>> 
>>> Raj, N2RD
>>> K3 sn 170
>>> 
>>> -- Raj Dewan, N2RD
>>> rdewan1 at rochester.rr.com
>>> ______________________________________________________________
>>> Elecraft mailing list
>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
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From w0agmike at gmail.com  Fri Jul 19 19:40:48 2019
From: w0agmike at gmail.com (Mike Murray)
Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2019 18:40:48 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] FS: K3/P3 Second round
Message-ID: <CAP7zeEK=FLPvJtireh-vrZ-FgryBe-BGPVEkv1QwEUry+Rbifg@mail.gmail.com>

RemoteRigs and K3/0 mini are sold.  Check out the following and make me an
offer:

*Original*
$2,149.95  K3/100-F    1     K3 100W Xcvr. (Factory assembled) Serial #3746
     329.95  KAT3-F       1     K3 ATU
     109.95  KXV3A        1     K3 RX Ant, IF Out & Xvrtr Int
     649.95  KRX3          1     K3 2nd RX
     125.95 KFL3A-400   1     K3 400 Hz, 8 pole filter  (Main RX)
     259.90 KFL3A-2.8K  2     K3 2.8 kHz, 8 pole filter (Main/Sub RX)
        749.95  P3-F K3 Panadapter (Factory assembled)
   *     129.95*  "Y-Box" by N6TV  15 pin parallel DE15 splitter and
breakout box
    $4,505.55

Complete price for all of the above is $2,4000.00 and I'll deliver within
150 miles of Crossville, TN.  I can also ship, postage and insurance extra.
w0ag at arrl.net

From wb6rse1 at mac.com  Fri Jul 19 20:15:46 2019
From: wb6rse1 at mac.com (wb6rse1 at mac.com)
Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2019 17:15:46 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] FS KPA500
Message-ID: <905D87C5-4648-41DE-A9F1-EDF1CAB14DAE@mac.com>

The KAT500 has been sold.

The KPA500 is still available.

https://www.eham.net/classifieds/detail/566451 <https://www.eham.net/classifieds/detail/566451>

73 - Steve WB6RSE

From bob at hogbytes.com  Sat Jul 20 08:15:44 2019
From: bob at hogbytes.com (Bob N3MNT)
Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2019 05:15:44 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] KX2/AX1 WSPR vs FT8
In-Reply-To: <1563564989428-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1563564989428-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <1563624944370-0.post@n2.nabble.com>

What are you using to set time.



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From w5sv.dave at gmail.com  Sat Jul 20 10:27:39 2019
From: w5sv.dave at gmail.com (David F. Reed)
Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2019 14:27:39 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Windows update clobbered me
Message-ID: <4df42b14-9cd0-6e91-249a-028b15a2f4cb@gmail.com>

I realize this is not a Windows list, but it relates to my K3 as I use 
it and the K3 Utility to do things...

early this morning, Windows tried to install (but failed) 2019-07 
Cumulative Update for Windows 10 Version 1803 for x64-based Systems 
(KB4507435).

As a result, I have lost my virtual com ports...

in Device Manager, under USB controllers, they show as USB Serial 
Converter (with a yellow triangle with an exclamation mark inside it), 
and have the correct driver loaded, but somehow they are not working, 
not findable in the K3 Utility, and so I am at a loss what to do /change 
/ fix next...

Any help will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks & 73 de Dave, W5SV


From nv4c.ian at gmail.com  Sat Jul 20 10:40:31 2019
From: nv4c.ian at gmail.com (Ian Kahn)
Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2019 10:40:31 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Windows update clobbered me
In-Reply-To: <4df42b14-9cd0-6e91-249a-028b15a2f4cb@gmail.com>
References: <4df42b14-9cd0-6e91-249a-028b15a2f4cb@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAN1Md6GuoS0LvmyRYoLCu0VjRh07qUbgwF=Pe9O9=FuhN3frRw@mail.gmail.com>

Dave,

A couple of quick thoughts:

1. Have you rebooted a couple of times? Despite what Microsoft may claim
about reboots  being  (un)necessary, you should always reboot a couple of
times after an update/upgrade.

2. Have you unplugged/plugged all your physical USB cables? That
accomplishes a couple of things - lets Windows redetect your devices, lets
drivers get reinstalled (if necessary).

3. If #2 doesn't work, try reinstalling drivers for both your physical
devices and your virtual COM ports. Windows has a nasty habit of ignoring
vendor-supplied drivers for its own drivers, which often don't work as well
as the vendor's.

Hope this helps.

73 de,

Ian, NV4C

On Sat, Jul 20, 2019, 10:28 AM David F. Reed <w5sv.dave at gmail.com> wrote:

> I realize this is not a Windows list, but it relates to my K3 as I use
> it and the K3 Utility to do things...
>
> early this morning, Windows tried to install (but failed) 2019-07
> Cumulative Update for Windows 10 Version 1803 for x64-based Systems
> (KB4507435).
>
> As a result, I have lost my virtual com ports...
>
> in Device Manager, under USB controllers, they show as USB Serial
> Converter (with a yellow triangle with an exclamation mark inside it),
> and have the correct driver loaded, but somehow they are not working,
> not findable in the K3 Utility, and so I am at a loss what to do /change
> / fix next...
>
> Any help will be greatly appreciated.
>
> Thanks & 73 de Dave, W5SV
>
> ______________________________________________________________
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From wa6nhc at gmail.com  Sat Jul 20 10:46:13 2019
From: wa6nhc at gmail.com (Rick WA6NHC)
Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2019 07:46:13 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Windows update clobbered me
In-Reply-To: <4df42b14-9cd0-6e91-249a-028b15a2f4cb@gmail.com>
References: <4df42b14-9cd0-6e91-249a-028b15a2f4cb@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <55025fee-ea53-dff2-40bf-f0bb939bfaf9@gmail.com>

Oh it's MUCH worse than that.

My system was coerced into version 1903 which uninstalled some software 
and crippled others.? Reverting to 1803 and uninstalling that KB had no 
effect; updating to the Cumulative that superseded it had no effect; the 
network device (a weather station) can no longer communicate with the 
computer.? I have no fix and I've run out of ideas.

The writer of the software isn't about to fix, what MicroSoft broke.

Thanks MS, we don't like your forced updates; some of us don't even need 
a nanny.? Allow us the choice to turn updates OFF (forever if we choose).

Rick nhc


On 7/20/2019 7:27 AM, David F. Reed wrote:
> I realize this is not a Windows list, but it relates to my K3 as I use 
> it and the K3 Utility to do things...
>
> early this morning, Windows tried to install (but failed) 2019-07 
> Cumulative Update for Windows 10 Version 1803 for x64-based Systems 
> (KB4507435).
>
> As a result, I have lost my virtual com ports...
>
> in Device Manager, under USB controllers, they show as USB Serial 
> Converter (with a yellow triangle with an exclamation mark inside it), 
> and have the correct driver loaded, but somehow they are not working, 
> not findable in the K3 Utility, and so I am at a loss what to do 
> /change / fix next...
>
> Any help will be greatly appreciated.
>
> Thanks & 73 de Dave, W5SV
>
> ______________________________________________________________
> Elecraft mailing list
> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
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From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Sat Jul 20 11:13:54 2019
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2019 10:13:54 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Windows update clobbered me
In-Reply-To: <4df42b14-9cd0-6e91-249a-028b15a2f4cb@gmail.com>
References: <4df42b14-9cd0-6e91-249a-028b15a2f4cb@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3b5dbbf9-63cc-ef49-a04f-cde936528931@blomand.net>

I would first reboot the computer a couple of times.? Then go to the 
Windows Update application and run it.? Take all the defaults and let it 
"do its thing".??? A failed update will leave lots of fragments and crap 
in the computer.

Also I suggest, as I do, run an application that gets rid of trash, 
broken links, and such.? And that same application has the ability to 
clean the computer Registry.? Usually there is lots of "crap" left over 
from updates, software installs, and software uninstalls.?? My 
application is the paid? version but you can use the FREE version of 
CCLEANER for this activity.

73

Bob, K4TAX


On 7/20/2019 9:27 AM, David F. Reed wrote:
> I realize this is not a Windows list, but it relates to my K3 as I use 
> it and the K3 Utility to do things...
>
> early this morning, Windows tried to install (but failed) 2019-07 
> Cumulative Update for Windows 10 Version 1803 for x64-based Systems 
> (KB4507435).
>
> As a result, I have lost my virtual com ports...
>
> in Device Manager, under USB controllers, they show as USB Serial 
> Converter (with a yellow triangle with an exclamation mark inside it), 
> and have the correct driver loaded, but somehow they are not working, 
> not findable in the K3 Utility, and so I am at a loss what to do 
> /change / fix next...
>
> Any help will be greatly appreciated.
>
> Thanks & 73 de Dave, W5SV
>
> ______________________________________________________________
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> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
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From KY5G at montac.com  Sat Jul 20 11:18:56 2019
From: KY5G at montac.com (Clay Autery)
Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2019 10:18:56 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Windows update clobbered me
In-Reply-To: <3b5dbbf9-63cc-ef49-a04f-cde936528931@blomand.net>
References: <4df42b14-9cd0-6e91-249a-028b15a2f4cb@gmail.com>
	<3b5dbbf9-63cc-ef49-a04f-cde936528931@blomand.net>
Message-ID: <ddb8e962-b3ed-1b53-079a-a3a288ceb292@montac.com>

THIS!

jv16.org? <----? The Registry Cleaner, et al. that I use.

______________________
Clay Autery, KY5G
(318) 518-1389

On 20-Jul-19 10:13, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote:
> I would first reboot the computer a couple of times.? Then go to the 
> Windows Update application and run it.? Take all the defaults and let 
> it "do its thing".??? A failed update will leave lots of fragments and 
> crap in the computer.
>
> Also I suggest, as I do, run an application that gets rid of trash, 
> broken links, and such.? And that same application has the ability to 
> clean the computer Registry.? Usually there is lots of "crap" left 
> over from updates, software installs, and software uninstalls.?? My 
> application is the paid? version but you can use the FREE version of 
> CCLEANER for this activity.
>
> 73
>
> Bob, K4TAX
>
>
> On 7/20/2019 9:27 AM, David F. Reed wrote:
>> I realize this is not a Windows list, but it relates to my K3 as I 
>> use it and the K3 Utility to do things...
>>
>> early this morning, Windows tried to install (but failed) 2019-07 
>> Cumulative Update for Windows 10 Version 1803 for x64-based Systems 
>> (KB4507435).
>>
>> As a result, I have lost my virtual com ports...
>>
>> in Device Manager, under USB controllers, they show as USB Serial 
>> Converter (with a yellow triangle with an exclamation mark inside 
>> it), and have the correct driver loaded, but somehow they are not 
>> working, not findable in the K3 Utility, and so I am at a loss what 
>> to do /change / fix next...
>>
>> Any help will be greatly appreciated.
>>
>> Thanks & 73 de Dave, W5SV
>>
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From colin.g3psm at gmail.com  Sat Jul 20 11:27:23 2019
From: colin.g3psm at gmail.com (Colin)
Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2019 16:27:23 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] Windows update clobbered me
In-Reply-To: <ddb8e962-b3ed-1b53-079a-a3a288ceb292@montac.com>
References: <4df42b14-9cd0-6e91-249a-028b15a2f4cb@gmail.com>
	<3b5dbbf9-63cc-ef49-a04f-cde936528931@blomand.net>
	<ddb8e962-b3ed-1b53-079a-a3a288ceb292@montac.com>
Message-ID: <c044e52c-e1b4-b892-29a2-80334718c4ab@gmail.com>

David,

> in Device Manager, under USB controllers, they show as USB Serial 
> Converter (with a yellow triangle with an exclamation mark inside it), 
> and have the correct driver loaded, but somehow they are not working, 
> not findable in the K3 Utility, and so I am at a loss what to do 
> /change / fix next... 

Have you gone to properties in USB Serial Converter and checked the VCP 
box??? A similar thing happened to me when I upgraded to 1903 a couple 
of days ago.

72

Colin, G3PSM


On 20/07/2019 16:18, Clay Autery wrote:
> THIS!
>
> jv16.org? <----? The Registry Cleaner, et al. that I use.
>
> ______________________
> Clay Autery, KY5G
> (318) 518-1389
>
> On 20-Jul-19 10:13, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote:
>> I would first reboot the computer a couple of times.? Then go to the 
>> Windows Update application and run it.? Take all the defaults and let 
>> it "do its thing".??? A failed update will leave lots of fragments 
>> and crap in the computer.
>>
>> Also I suggest, as I do, run an application that gets rid of trash, 
>> broken links, and such.? And that same application has the ability to 
>> clean the computer Registry.? Usually there is lots of "crap" left 
>> over from updates, software installs, and software uninstalls.?? My 
>> application is the paid? version but you can use the FREE version of 
>> CCLEANER for this activity.
>>
>> 73
>>
>> Bob, K4TAX
>>
>>
>> On 7/20/2019 9:27 AM, David F. Reed wrote:
>>> I realize this is not a Windows list, but it relates to my K3 as I 
>>> use it and the K3 Utility to do things...
>>>
>>> early this morning, Windows tried to install (but failed) 2019-07 
>>> Cumulative Update for Windows 10 Version 1803 for x64-based Systems 
>>> (KB4507435).
>>>
>>> As a result, I have lost my virtual com ports...
>>>
>>> in Device Manager, under USB controllers, they show as USB Serial 
>>> Converter (with a yellow triangle with an exclamation mark inside 
>>> it), and have the correct driver loaded, but somehow they are not 
>>> working, not findable in the K3 Utility, and so I am at a loss what 
>>> to do /change / fix next...
>>>
>>> Any help will be greatly appreciated.
>>>
>>> Thanks & 73 de Dave, W5SV
>>>
>>> ______________________________________________________________
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From w5sv.dave at gmail.com  Sat Jul 20 11:28:05 2019
From: w5sv.dave at gmail.com (David F. Reed)
Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2019 15:28:05 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Windows update clobbered me
In-Reply-To: <4df42b14-9cd0-6e91-249a-028b15a2f4cb@gmail.com>
References: <4df42b14-9cd0-6e91-249a-028b15a2f4cb@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <96299d45-29e8-2162-6d80-a398088b9b6b@gmail.com>

I tried uninstalling the devices and then plugging in again and 
reinstalling the drivers - that worked!

On 7/20/2019 14:27, David F. Reed wrote:
> I realize this is not a Windows list, but it relates to my K3 as I use 
> it and the K3 Utility to do things...
>
> early this morning, Windows tried to install (but failed) 2019-07 
> Cumulative Update for Windows 10 Version 1803 for x64-based Systems 
> (KB4507435).
>
> As a result, I have lost my virtual com ports...
>
> in Device Manager, under USB controllers, they show as USB Serial 
> Converter (with a yellow triangle with an exclamation mark inside it), 
> and have the correct driver loaded, but somehow they are not working, 
> not findable in the K3 Utility, and so I am at a loss what to do 
> /change / fix next...
>
> Any help will be greatly appreciated.
>
> Thanks & 73 de Dave, W5SV
>

From markmusick at outlook.com  Sat Jul 20 11:32:25 2019
From: markmusick at outlook.com (Mark Musick)
Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2019 15:32:25 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Windows update clobbered me
In-Reply-To: <3b5dbbf9-63cc-ef49-a04f-cde936528931@blomand.net>
References: <4df42b14-9cd0-6e91-249a-028b15a2f4cb@gmail.com>
	<3b5dbbf9-63cc-ef49-a04f-cde936528931@blomand.net>
Message-ID: <BN8PR05MB6387BACD32C5D213AACFD796C3CA0@BN8PR05MB6387.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>

David,
I echo what Bob says. 
I would run the update again and update to the latest 1903. You always want the latest update. Then go from there.
I can vouch for the FREE version of CCLEANER. I have an IT friend who takes care of all three PCs I have in the shack and that is what he uses. He runs it periodically as I install and uninstall software.
Run the 1903 update, sit back, let it do its thing and don't touch anything unless it asks you.
I have updated all my PCs and my wife's to version 1903 with no problems thankfully. After the update all my applications ran as before. I didn't have to make adjustments to anything.
You can turn off the automatic update feature in Windows Settings.
If you need more help, I'm sure the collective here can get you going.
Hope you get it resolved soon.

73,
Mark, WB9CIF

-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On Behalf Of Bob McGraw K4TAX
Sent: Saturday, July 20, 2019 15:14
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Windows update clobbered me

I would first reboot the computer a couple of times.? Then go to the Windows Update application and run it.? Take all the defaults and let it "do its thing".??? A failed update will leave lots of fragments and crap in the computer.

Also I suggest, as I do, run an application that gets rid of trash, broken links, and such.? And that same application has the ability to clean the computer Registry.? Usually there is lots of "crap" left over from updates, software installs, and software uninstalls.?? My application is the paid? version but you can use the FREE version of CCLEANER for this activity.

73

Bob, K4TAX


On 7/20/2019 9:27 AM, David F. Reed wrote:
> I realize this is not a Windows list, but it relates to my K3 as I use 
> it and the K3 Utility to do things...
>
> early this morning, Windows tried to install (but failed) 2019-07 
> Cumulative Update for Windows 10 Version 1803 for x64-based Systems 
> (KB4507435).
>
> As a result, I have lost my virtual com ports...
>
> in Device Manager, under USB controllers, they show as USB Serial 
> Converter (with a yellow triangle with an exclamation mark inside it), 
> and have the correct driver loaded, but somehow they are not working, 
> not findable in the K3 Utility, and so I am at a loss what to do 
> /change / fix next...
>
> Any help will be greatly appreciated.
>
> Thanks & 73 de Dave, W5SV
>
> ______________________________________________________________
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From dhaines at bates.edu  Sat Jul 20 11:38:27 2019
From: dhaines at bates.edu (David Haines)
Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2019 11:38:27 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Windows update clobbered me
In-Reply-To: <96299d45-29e8-2162-6d80-a398088b9b6b@gmail.com>
References: <4df42b14-9cd0-6e91-249a-028b15a2f4cb@gmail.com>
	<96299d45-29e8-2162-6d80-a398088b9b6b@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <043fd56f-f040-a8a1-40e9-261f063aa10e@bates.edu>

Have you tried doing a System Restore?? I'm not sure, but it may put 
your system back to where it was before the update.

73, david, KC1DNY

On 7/20/2019 11:28 AM, David F. Reed wrote:
> I tried uninstalling the devices and then plugging in again and 
> reinstalling the drivers - that worked!
>
> On 7/20/2019 14:27, David F. Reed wrote:
>> I realize this is not a Windows list, but it relates to my K3 as I 
>> use it and the K3 Utility to do things...
>>
>> early this morning, Windows tried to install (but failed) 2019-07 
>> Cumulative Update for Windows 10 Version 1803 for x64-based Systems 
>> (KB4507435).
>>
>> As a result, I have lost my virtual com ports...
>>
>> in Device Manager, under USB controllers, they show as USB Serial 
>> Converter (with a yellow triangle with an exclamation mark inside 
>> it), and have the correct driver loaded, but somehow they are not 
>> working, not findable in the K3 Utility, and so I am at a loss what 
>> to do /change / fix next...
>>
>> Any help will be greatly appreciated.
>>
>> Thanks & 73 de Dave, W5SV
>>
> ______________________________________________________________
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From markmusick at outlook.com  Sat Jul 20 11:42:10 2019
From: markmusick at outlook.com (Mark Musick)
Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2019 15:42:10 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Windows update clobbered me
In-Reply-To: <96299d45-29e8-2162-6d80-a398088b9b6b@gmail.com>
References: <4df42b14-9cd0-6e91-249a-028b15a2f4cb@gmail.com>
	<96299d45-29e8-2162-6d80-a398088b9b6b@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BN8PR05MB6387AE9E5476343FA76A451CC3CA0@BN8PR05MB6387.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>

David,
I would still update to 1903. Each update has updated security features and new features.
If I remember correctly Microsoft does an annual major Windows update. The four digit number indicates the year and month of the update. 1903 is the update from March 2019.
I was on version 17xx and went through two updates. First to 1803 then to 1903. I did not go directly from 17xx to 1903. I don't know if this is why I didn't have any trouble or not. But it worked for me.

Mark, WB9CIF

-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On Behalf Of David F. Reed
Sent: Saturday, July 20, 2019 15:28
To: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Windows update clobbered me

I tried uninstalling the devices and then plugging in again and reinstalling the drivers - that worked!

On 7/20/2019 14:27, David F. Reed wrote:
> I realize this is not a Windows list, but it relates to my K3 as I use 
> it and the K3 Utility to do things...
>
> early this morning, Windows tried to install (but failed) 2019-07 
> Cumulative Update for Windows 10 Version 1803 for x64-based Systems 
> (KB4507435).
>
> As a result, I have lost my virtual com ports...
>
> in Device Manager, under USB controllers, they show as USB Serial 
> Converter (with a yellow triangle with an exclamation mark inside it), 
> and have the correct driver loaded, but somehow they are not working, 
> not findable in the K3 Utility, and so I am at a loss what to do 
> /change / fix next...
>
> Any help will be greatly appreciated.
>
> Thanks & 73 de Dave, W5SV
>
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From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Sat Jul 20 11:48:53 2019
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2019 10:48:53 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Windows update clobbered me
In-Reply-To: <ddb8e962-b3ed-1b53-079a-a3a288ceb292@montac.com>
References: <4df42b14-9cd0-6e91-249a-028b15a2f4cb@gmail.com>
	<3b5dbbf9-63cc-ef49-a04f-cde936528931@blomand.net>
	<ddb8e962-b3ed-1b53-079a-a3a288ceb292@montac.com>
Message-ID: <770e8487-199d-d613-7034-5052efa34817@blomand.net>

Here is the link to the app that I use.? Take the FREE download.

https://www.ccleaner.com/ccleaner/download

73
Bob, K4TAX


On 7/20/2019 10:18 AM, Clay Autery wrote:
> THIS!
>
> jv16.org? <----? The Registry Cleaner, et al. that I use.
>
> ______________________
> Clay Autery, KY5G
> (318) 518-1389
>


From rich at wc3t.us  Sat Jul 20 11:59:46 2019
From: rich at wc3t.us (rich hurd WC3T)
Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2019 11:59:46 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Windows update clobbered me
In-Reply-To: <55025fee-ea53-dff2-40bf-f0bb939bfaf9@gmail.com>
References: <4df42b14-9cd0-6e91-249a-028b15a2f4cb@gmail.com>
	<55025fee-ea53-dff2-40bf-f0bb939bfaf9@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CABYU7Wgk3GyHqdUG5yrU4uJ1=Mmeo4erDYKsCTNDHiF6O8vTag@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Jul 20, 2019 at 10:46 Rick WA6NHC <wa6nhc at gmail.com> wrote:

> .
>
> Thanks MS, we don't like your forced updates; some of us don't even need
> a nanny.  Allow us the choice to turn updates OFF (forever if we choose).
>
>
Lie to Windows and tell it you are on a metered connection.
-- 
72,
Rich Hurd / WC3T / DMR: 3142737
Northampton County RACES, EPA-ARRL Public Information Officer for Scouting
Latitude: 40.761621 Longitude: -75.288988  (40?45.68' N 75?17.33' W) Grid:
*FN20is*

From w2blc at nycap.rr.com  Sat Jul 20 12:03:36 2019
From: w2blc at nycap.rr.com (Bill)
Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2019 12:03:36 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Windows update clobbered me
In-Reply-To: <770e8487-199d-d613-7034-5052efa34817@blomand.net>
References: <770e8487-199d-d613-7034-5052efa34817@blomand.net>
Message-ID: <9cb973e5-f9da-1f51-8358-e0430c72718e@nycap.rr.com>

It is a shame that more good, useful, and easy to operate software is 
not available for Linux. Notice that I said good, useful, and easy to 
operate!

The list of available amateur radio related software for Linux is short, 
and much of that is difficult to install and not intuitive in use - or, 
in some cases, no longer available.

The use of WINE (allows some Windows software to run in Linux) is not a 
reliable answer, as it generally only performs well for simple software. 
Try to run something like HRD under it and you will be rewarded with 
total failure.

Bill W2BLC


From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Sat Jul 20 12:37:31 2019
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2019 09:37:31 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KX2/AX1 WSPR vs FT8
In-Reply-To: <1563624944370-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1563564989428-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<1563624944370-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <ccba9248-e7fa-c9b4-8afc-d71400d9a70f@audiosystemsgroup.com>

Net Time.

On 7/20/2019 5:15 AM, Bob N3MNT wrote:
> What are you using to set time.
>
http://www.timesynctool.com/

73, Jim K9YC


From rv6amark at yahoo.com  Sat Jul 20 12:50:36 2019
From: rv6amark at yahoo.com (Mark Petiford)
Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2019 16:50:36 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] Windows update clobbered me
In-Reply-To: <9cb973e5-f9da-1f51-8358-e0430c72718e@nycap.rr.com>
References: <770e8487-199d-d613-7034-5052efa34817@blomand.net>
	<9cb973e5-f9da-1f51-8358-e0430c72718e@nycap.rr.com>
Message-ID: <1478192827.2497558.1563641436573@mail.yahoo.com>

<rant>


Re:? "It is a shame that more good, useful, and easy to operate software is not available for Linux. Notice that I said good, useful, and easy to 
operate!"


...and easy to install!? Many experienced Linux users aren't much help, either.? I spent several months getting Quisk installed on my Raspberry Pi.? Users on various blogs provided information complete with typographical errors, incorrect instructions that some "advisors" eventually admitted had not actually been tried and just might not work, and even insults like, "If you need to know how to do this then you will already know!"? Huh?


I don't find Linux to be the the idealistic place I am told that it is.? If all you want to do is use canned packages that are available using a "store" or apt-get, then it works mostly fine for new Linux users.? Most ham applications are not available that way, so old timers like me struggle.? BTW, I have used a lot of mainframe?Unix software during my career.? The difference was that I didn't have to get it working.? IT did that!? I was paid to design products, not install software.


</rant>


Mark,KE6BB




From m.matthew.george at gmail.com  Sat Jul 20 12:53:06 2019
From: m.matthew.george at gmail.com (M. George)
Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2019 10:53:06 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft]  Windows update clobbered me
Message-ID: <CAFYRpHsXoVMQiSC5tiPpnEdqV8EpAwkemYYaV3jxuEWPJ3m_LQ@mail.gmail.com>

Dave, I just read your message and all of the replies don't ask what kind
of virtual serial ports you are using.  If you are using com0com ports, the
signed driver on the 64 bit version of the com0com drivers expired.

If this is the case, just a hunch here, go into the device manager and
right click on the driver / item that has the yellow option where it's not
working anymore.  Select search online to update the driver and if this is
the issue, you will get a new driver and then reboot.  All will be back to
normal after that.

Hope my hunch was correct. Max NG7M


I realize this is not a Windows list, but it relates to my K3 as I use
it and the K3 Utility to do things...

early this morning, Windows tried to install (but failed) 2019-07
Cumulative Update for Windows 10 Version 1803 for x64-based Systems
(KB4507435).

As a result, I have lost my virtual com ports...

in Device Manager, under USB controllers, they show as USB Serial
Converter (with a yellow triangle with an exclamation mark inside it),
and have the correct driver loaded, but somehow they are not working,
not findable in the K3 Utility, and so I am at a loss what to do /change
/ fix next...

Any help will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks & 73 de Dave, W5SV

-- 
M. George

From mspmail2 at gmail.com  Sat Jul 20 13:02:28 2019
From: mspmail2 at gmail.com (Mike Parkes)
Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2019 10:02:28 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KX2/AX1 WSPR vs FT8
Message-ID: <CAP4v5qwBK8jFByGj=bUfQs60TpeW35Z74A3yzF0WaT+4e7XZcg@mail.gmail.com>

Bret/N4SRN,
I am running a KX3 indoors into a mag loop for 40-30-20 and I get plenty of
wspr spots on my signal at 1 watt or less, and can hear others too.
FT8 needs more signal though, the packets are 1/8 as long (15 seconds
compared to wspr 2 minutes) and is still trying to push similar amounts of
data in a much shorter amount of time. So it is a lot more of a challenge
to make a two way contact. If you are being heard in single minus digits
that is pretty good, my signal is usually in the twenties. I think I made
like one or two FT8 contacts when I first tried out WSJT-x, but lately my
attempts to make an ft8 contact have been unsuccessful. I would say just
keep trying, and eventually you'll make ft8 contacts. I mostly stay with 40
meters though, seems to be the best overall band these days for me. I am
looking forward to the 40 meter add-on for the AX1!
73's, Mike AB7RU / Spokane WA

From k6dgw at foothill.net  Sat Jul 20 13:22:29 2019
From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen)
Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2019 10:22:29 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Windows update clobbered me
In-Reply-To: <1478192827.2497558.1563641436573@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <770e8487-199d-d613-7034-5052efa34817@blomand.net>
	<9cb973e5-f9da-1f51-8358-e0430c72718e@nycap.rr.com>
	<1478192827.2497558.1563641436573@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <e463f4b8-0003-c295-afb8-7edb0cdea423@foothill.net>

Agreed.? "UNIX jargon" can be quite off-putting to newbies who have 
never grepped before.? Most of the "Windoze jargon" is hidden behind the 
screen, but have one of your USB ports develop constipation and Device 
Mangler will take you to jargon you've never dreamed of.

With a command line interface, there is basically one way to do each 
thing.? In Windows, if there aren't 53 ways to do each thing, just wait, 
the next forced update will provide them.

73,
Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

On 7/20/2019 9:50 AM, Mark Petiford via Elecraft wrote:
> <rant>
> I don't find Linux to be the the idealistic place I am told that it is.? If all you want to do is use canned packages that are available using a "store" or apt-get, then it works mostly fine for new Linux users.? Most ham applications are not available that way, so old timers like me struggle.? BTW, I have used a lot of mainframe?Unix software during my career.? The difference was that I didn't have to get it working.? IT did that!? I was paid to design products, not install software.
> </rant>
> Mark,KE6BB
>


From kkinderen at gmail.com  Sat Jul 20 13:38:29 2019
From: kkinderen at gmail.com (Kevin, N4TT)
Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2019 13:38:29 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Feature Request: Shifting VFO
Message-ID: <CAFA9ujtmsbFZ4y8sTwDf1KA0R3sxEnYEsnpAHmuxjp0DT1ktDA@mail.gmail.com>

Consider one of the settings for your computer mouse is shifting
resolution. This allows you to move the mouse real fast to get from one end
of three monitors to the other. And then, when you slow down, the mouse
goes into micro-resolution mode and you can be very precise in your
movements. This may be a Logitech feature.

I was thinking the same concept could be used for the VFO. I'm familiar
with the Fine/Course and RATE buttons but I was thinking (danger Will
Robinson) that it would be nice to quickly shift to the next RTTY signal
and then automatically switch to the FINE selection based on how fast you
turn the VFO.

Just a though.

73,
Kev N4TT

From markmusick at outlook.com  Sat Jul 20 13:45:19 2019
From: markmusick at outlook.com (Mark Musick)
Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2019 17:45:19 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Feature Request: Shifting VFO
In-Reply-To: <CAFA9ujtmsbFZ4y8sTwDf1KA0R3sxEnYEsnpAHmuxjp0DT1ktDA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFA9ujtmsbFZ4y8sTwDf1KA0R3sxEnYEsnpAHmuxjp0DT1ktDA@mail.gmail.com>
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If I remember correctly, my Yaesu FT-1000MP did this.
The faster you turned the VFO knob the higher the incremental change in the VFO frequency.

Mark, WB9CIF

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Sent: Saturday, July 20, 2019 17:38
To: Elecraft Reflector Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: [Elecraft] Feature Request: Shifting VFO

Consider one of the settings for your computer mouse is shifting resolution. This allows you to move the mouse real fast to get from one end of three monitors to the other. And then, when you slow down, the mouse goes into micro-resolution mode and you can be very precise in your movements. This may be a Logitech feature.

I was thinking the same concept could be used for the VFO. I'm familiar with the Fine/Course and RATE buttons but I was thinking (danger Will
Robinson) that it would be nice to quickly shift to the next RTTY signal and then automatically switch to the FINE selection based on how fast you turn the VFO.

Just a though.

73,
Kev N4TT
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From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Sat Jul 20 13:48:14 2019
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2019 13:48:14 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Feature Request: Shifting VFO
In-Reply-To: <CAFA9ujtmsbFZ4y8sTwDf1KA0R3sxEnYEsnpAHmuxjp0DT1ktDA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFA9ujtmsbFZ4y8sTwDf1KA0R3sxEnYEsnpAHmuxjp0DT1ktDA@mail.gmail.com>
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Kev and all,

No vote on that dynamic VFO tuning for me.  It would only be suitable 
for me if I could turn it off.
I have used a couple transceivers that had that type of tuning and it 
drove me nuts.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 7/20/2019 1:38 PM, Kevin, N4TT wrote:
> Consider one of the settings for your computer mouse is shifting
> resolution. This allows you to move the mouse real fast to get from one end
> of three monitors to the other. And then, when you slow down, the mouse
> goes into micro-resolution mode and you can be very precise in your
> movements. This may be a Logitech feature.
> 
> I was thinking the same concept could be used for the VFO. I'm familiar
> with the Fine/Course and RATE buttons but I was thinking (danger Will
> Robinson) that it would be nice to quickly shift to the next RTTY signal
> and then automatically switch to the FINE selection based on how fast you
> turn the VFO.

From lists at subich.com  Sat Jul 20 15:26:51 2019
From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV)
Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2019 15:26:51 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Feature Request: Shifting VFO
In-Reply-To: <f9fc7a93-71c3-c083-a465-89445e72ba58@embarqmail.com>
References: <CAFA9ujtmsbFZ4y8sTwDf1KA0R3sxEnYEsnpAHmuxjp0DT1ktDA@mail.gmail.com>
	<f9fc7a93-71c3-c083-a465-89445e72ba58@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <921cfabc-d00f-9e41-e95c-380141587470@subich.com>


I agree with Don.  The K3/K3S already supports three tuning rates
depending on the operation of the Fine/Coarse control (HOLD/Coarse =
100 Hz/step, Fine = 10 Hz/step, Double tap Fine = 1 Hz/step).  In
addition, MENU:VFO CRS will select 1 KHz or 10 Hz/step and MENU:VFO
CTS will select 100/200/400 steps per revolution of the encoder.

Finally MENU:VFO OFS will allow the RIT control to move the VFO by
the COARSE setting when RIT is OFF.

The K3/K3S is already far more flexible and user friendly than any
variable speed VFO implementation (one reason I have rejected the
Yaesu FTdx101!).

73,

    ... Joe, W4TV


On 2019-07-20 1:48 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
> Kev and all,
> 
> No vote on that dynamic VFO tuning for me.? It would only be suitable 
> for me if I could turn it off.
> I have used a couple transceivers that had that type of tuning and it 
> drove me nuts.
> 
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
> 
> On 7/20/2019 1:38 PM, Kevin, N4TT wrote:
>> Consider one of the settings for your computer mouse is shifting
>> resolution. This allows you to move the mouse real fast to get from 
>> one end
>> of three monitors to the other. And then, when you slow down, the mouse
>> goes into micro-resolution mode and you can be very precise in your
>> movements. This may be a Logitech feature.
>>
>> I was thinking the same concept could be used for the VFO. I'm familiar
>> with the Fine/Course and RATE buttons but I was thinking (danger Will
>> Robinson) that it would be nice to quickly shift to the next RTTY signal
>> and then automatically switch to the FINE selection based on how fast you
>> turn the VFO.
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From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Sat Jul 20 16:50:55 2019
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2019 15:50:55 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Feature Request: Shifting VFO
In-Reply-To: <921cfabc-d00f-9e41-e95c-380141587470@subich.com>
References: <CAFA9ujtmsbFZ4y8sTwDf1KA0R3sxEnYEsnpAHmuxjp0DT1ktDA@mail.gmail.com>
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	<921cfabc-d00f-9e41-e95c-380141587470@subich.com>
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I agree with Don and Joe.?? One of my radios some 10 years ago had the 
feature.? It could be turned on or off.? Yet some really didn't like it 
and some thought it was the best thing since sliced bread.??? To me, my 
K3S in its present configuration fits ALL of my needs.

73

Bob, K4TAX


On 7/20/2019 2:26 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:
>
> I agree with Don.? The K3/K3S already supports three tuning rates
> depending on the operation of the Fine/Coarse control (HOLD/Coarse =
> 100 Hz/step, Fine = 10 Hz/step, Double tap Fine = 1 Hz/step).? In
> addition, MENU:VFO CRS will select 1 KHz or 10 Hz/step and MENU:VFO
> CTS will select 100/200/400 steps per revolution of the encoder.
>
> Finally MENU:VFO OFS will allow the RIT control to move the VFO by
> the COARSE setting when RIT is OFF.
>
> The K3/K3S is already far more flexible and user friendly than any
> variable speed VFO implementation (one reason I have rejected the
> Yaesu FTdx101!).
>
> 73,
>
> ?? ... Joe, W4TV
>
>
> On 2019-07-20 1:48 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
>> Kev and all,
>>
>> No vote on that dynamic VFO tuning for me.? It would only be suitable 
>> for me if I could turn it off.
>> I have used a couple transceivers that had that type of tuning and it 
>> drove me nuts.
>>
>> 73,
>> Don W3FPR 


From doug at kj0f.com  Sat Jul 20 18:57:56 2019
From: doug at kj0f.com (Doug Person)
Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2019 16:57:56 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] Feature Request: Shifting VFO
In-Reply-To: <c228b971-8a34-c571-64e9-a6caa6a8a60e@blomand.net>
References: <CAFA9ujtmsbFZ4y8sTwDf1KA0R3sxEnYEsnpAHmuxjp0DT1ktDA@mail.gmail.com>
	<f9fc7a93-71c3-c083-a465-89445e72ba58@embarqmail.com>
	<921cfabc-d00f-9e41-e95c-380141587470@subich.com>
	<c228b971-8a34-c571-64e9-a6caa6a8a60e@blomand.net>
Message-ID: <c61bf9f3-62cb-55c9-aad3-500a3ccaf842@kj0f.com>

And yet I find it a valuable feature on my other radios. It takes some 
serious intent to get the tuning rate to shift. Sensitivity can be 
adjustable and the increment value as well. I personally find it 
annoying to have to keep hitting a button to change the tuning rate. It 
would be quite easy to make this an adjustable, customization feature 
with a few menu options - off being one of them. Most current radios 
have this feature.

Doug -- KJ0F

On 7/20/2019 2:50 PM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote:
> I agree with Don and Joe.?? One of my radios some 10 years ago had the 
> feature.? It could be turned on or off.? Yet some really didn't like 
> it and some thought it was the best thing since sliced bread.??? To 
> me, my K3S in its present configuration fits ALL of my needs.
>
> 73
>
> Bob, K4TAX
>
>
> On 7/20/2019 2:26 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:
>>
>> I agree with Don.? The K3/K3S already supports three tuning rates
>> depending on the operation of the Fine/Coarse control (HOLD/Coarse =
>> 100 Hz/step, Fine = 10 Hz/step, Double tap Fine = 1 Hz/step). In
>> addition, MENU:VFO CRS will select 1 KHz or 10 Hz/step and MENU:VFO
>> CTS will select 100/200/400 steps per revolution of the encoder.
>>
>> Finally MENU:VFO OFS will allow the RIT control to move the VFO by
>> the COARSE setting when RIT is OFF.
>>
>> The K3/K3S is already far more flexible and user friendly than any
>> variable speed VFO implementation (one reason I have rejected the
>> Yaesu FTdx101!).
>>
>> 73,
>>
>> ?? ... Joe, W4TV
>>
>>
>> On 2019-07-20 1:48 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
>>> Kev and all,
>>>
>>> No vote on that dynamic VFO tuning for me.? It would only be 
>>> suitable for me if I could turn it off.
>>> I have used a couple transceivers that had that type of tuning and 
>>> it drove me nuts.
>>>
>>> 73,
>>> Don W3FPR 
>
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-- 
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From kevinr at coho.net  Sat Jul 20 22:40:40 2019
From: kevinr at coho.net (kevinr)
Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2019 19:40:40 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Announcement
Message-ID: <c1b34d76-d1da-781f-c5f6-4196c03d1f3a@coho.net>

 ??? Good Evening,

 ? The sun has finally pushed the clouds away.? It got warm too. 
Huckleberries are going great as are the wild strawberries.? I haven't 
seen the bear again but she would like them; there are even a few salmon 
berries left.? The coyotes started yipping at the moon last night some 
time around 2 AM.? They must have been close because they normally don't 
wake me.? A solar wind stream created aurora for a few days.? They are 
weaker today.? Maybe that will slow the QSB and create less noise.

Please join us on:

14050 kHz at 2200z Sunday (3 PM PDT Sunday)
 ?7047 kHz at 0000z Monday (5 PM PDT Sunday)

73,
Kevin. KD5ONS


_


From km6wiz at att.net  Sun Jul 21 00:42:16 2019
From: km6wiz at att.net (Keith)
Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2019 21:42:16 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Announcement
In-Reply-To: <9b6e3784-f4a3-9766-f8a2-beb79b98c21f@att.net>
References: <9b6e3784-f4a3-9766-f8a2-beb79b98c21f@att.net>
Message-ID: <9bad3452-92a8-d513-e93c-dbdf71df7355@att.net>



For those of us morse code disabled is there a SSB net for elecraft?


On 7/20/2019 7:40 PM, kevinr wrote:
> ?????? Good Evening,
>
> ?? The sun has finally pushed the clouds away.?? It got warm too. 
> Huckleberries are going great as are the wild strawberries.?? I haven't 
> seen the bear again but she would like them; there are even a few 
> salmon berries left.?? The coyotes started yipping at the moon last 
> night some time around 2 AM.?? They must have been close because they 
> normally don't wake me.?? A solar wind stream created aurora for a few 
> days.?? They are weaker today.?? Maybe that will slow the QSB and create 
> less noise.
>
> Please join us on:
>
> 14050 kHz at 2200z Sunday (3 PM PDT Sunday)
> ??7047 kHz at 0000z Monday (5 PM PDT Sunday)
>
> 73,
> Kevin. KD5ONS
>
>
> _
>
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From KM6WIZ at att.net  Sun Jul 21 01:49:06 2019
From: KM6WIZ at att.net (Keith)
Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2019 22:49:06 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Announcement
In-Reply-To: <1d44bd7a-4a6a-f466-c78c-0f8d39601629@coho.net>
References: <c1b34d76-d1da-781f-c5f6-4196c03d1f3a@coho.net>
	<9b6e3784-f4a3-9766-f8a2-beb79b98c21f@att.net>
	<1d44bd7a-4a6a-f466-c78c-0f8d39601629@coho.net>
Message-ID: <j2v7je9qmpc0ambf9035d0lb0bnm1lnq30@4ax.com>

Thank you for the quick response.

73,
Keith Wyatt
KM6WIZ

On Sat, 20 Jul 2019 22:44:15 -0700, you wrote:

>Yes there is.? It is tomorrow morning on twenty meters.? Hang on while I 
>look it up.
>
>Here it is:
>
>
>The Elecraft SSB Net meets on Sunday at 1800 UTC on or about 14.3035 MHz.   With propagation at a low point we employ several relay stations located around the continental USA to assist with check ins.  As conditions permit we take questions and comments after check ins.
>
>As regular Net Control Station Eric WB9JNZ in Chicago, IL. will be on a two week vacation please stop by when acting Net Control Steve WM6P kicks things off next Sunday.  It is always interesting to see what challenges the propagation gods will throw our way.
>
>Jim White - NC0JW
>ars.nc0jw at gmail.com
>
>73, Kevin.
>
>
>On 7/20/19 9:41 PM, Keith wrote:
>> For those of us morse code disabled is there a SSB net for elecraft?
>>
>>
>> On 7/20/2019 7:40 PM, kevinr wrote:
>>> ?????? Good Evening,
>>>
>>> ?? The sun has finally pushed the clouds away.?? It got warm too. 
>>> Huckleberries are going great as are the wild strawberries.?? I 
>>> haven't seen the bear again but she would like them; there are even a 
>>> few salmon berries left.?? The coyotes started yipping at the moon 
>>> last night some time around 2 AM.?? They must have been close because 
>>> they normally don't wake me.?? A solar wind stream created aurora for 
>>> a few days.?? They are weaker today.?? Maybe that will slow the QSB 
>>> and create less noise.
>>>
>>> Please join us on:
>>>
>>> 14050 kHz at 2200z Sunday (3 PM PDT Sunday)
>>> ??7047 kHz at 0000z Monday (5 PM PDT Sunday)
>>>
>>> 73,
>>> Kevin. KD5ONS
>>>
>>>
>>> _
>>>
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From no9e at arrl.net  Sun Jul 21 10:50:18 2019
From: no9e at arrl.net (Ignacy)
Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2019 07:50:18 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] Feature Request: Shifting VFO
In-Reply-To: <c61bf9f3-62cb-55c9-aad3-500a3ccaf842@kj0f.com>
References: <CAFA9ujtmsbFZ4y8sTwDf1KA0R3sxEnYEsnpAHmuxjp0DT1ktDA@mail.gmail.com>
	<f9fc7a93-71c3-c083-a465-89445e72ba58@embarqmail.com>
	<921cfabc-d00f-9e41-e95c-380141587470@subich.com>
	<c228b971-8a34-c571-64e9-a6caa6a8a60e@blomand.net>
	<c61bf9f3-62cb-55c9-aad3-500a3ccaf842@kj0f.com>
Message-ID: <1563720618306-0.post@n2.nabble.com>

Is it a feature of ICOMs?
Neat as QSY to a far away frequency can be done without pressing any extra
button.
On the other hand, band-segment memories and clicking on spots makes
long-range QSYing less important.
Ignacy, NO9E



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From kkinderen at gmail.com  Sun Jul 21 11:47:52 2019
From: kkinderen at gmail.com (Kevin, N4TT)
Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2019 11:47:52 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Feature Request: Shifting VFO
In-Reply-To: <1563720618306-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <CAFA9ujtmsbFZ4y8sTwDf1KA0R3sxEnYEsnpAHmuxjp0DT1ktDA@mail.gmail.com>
	<f9fc7a93-71c3-c083-a465-89445e72ba58@embarqmail.com>
	<921cfabc-d00f-9e41-e95c-380141587470@subich.com>
	<c228b971-8a34-c571-64e9-a6caa6a8a60e@blomand.net>
	<c61bf9f3-62cb-55c9-aad3-500a3ccaf842@kj0f.com>
	<1563720618306-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <CAFA9ujvYmy1XCuisyfXof524aHN6sOUv3rojVbA-ruW=bEBxjw@mail.gmail.com>

A scenario from yesterday's contest.

I have the P3 set up to view about 3 or more KHz of spectrum. I use a K-pod
to run my way up from low to high. I like the FINE setting to get that
signal right where I want it but would like a course transition up to that
signal. I could push a button to turn off FINE or turn on COARSE, run to
the signal, push a button again to go back to FINE and finish the tuning. I
could set up the macro buttons on the KPOD to do this so I didn't have to
reach for the radio but still have to turn the functions on/off. Or, I
could propose a method of changing VFO resolution based on turn rate. I
like proposing things. One out of 100 gets a "hey, not a bad idea" comment.
:)

Options to change rates or even disable rate changes sounds fine to me.
There are features of the radio I don't use or turn off and they don't
affect me while operating. Others find those features useful so I'm all for
them being included. Clicking on spots is a possibility but not often
permitted (or changes class) in contests. I should be clear, the value of
this feature for me is in contesting where I'd prefer to keep my two hands
in place rather than flittering around different controls.

"MENU:VFO CTS will select 100/200/400 steps per revolution of the encoder."
Simply (tongue in cheek) add the option 100/200/400/variable. Maybe the
variable shifts between 100, 200, 400 based on VFO speed.

At any rate, the request stands. I would like to see a variable tuning rate
in the K3s, KX3 and K4HD which I plan to purchase after it is available or
test one out if Elecraft wants to send me one to play with.

Thanks for considering.

73,
Kev N4TT

On Sun, Jul 21, 2019 at 10:52 AM Ignacy <no9e at arrl.net> wrote:

> Is it a feature of ICOMs?
> Neat as QSY to a far away frequency can be done without pressing any extra
> button.
> On the other hand, band-segment memories and clicking on spots makes
> long-range QSYing less important.
> Ignacy, NO9E
>
>
>
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From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Sun Jul 21 12:21:32 2019
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2019 12:21:32 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Feature Request: Shifting VFO
In-Reply-To: <CAFA9ujvYmy1XCuisyfXof524aHN6sOUv3rojVbA-ruW=bEBxjw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFA9ujtmsbFZ4y8sTwDf1KA0R3sxEnYEsnpAHmuxjp0DT1ktDA@mail.gmail.com>
	<f9fc7a93-71c3-c083-a465-89445e72ba58@embarqmail.com>
	<921cfabc-d00f-9e41-e95c-380141587470@subich.com>
	<c228b971-8a34-c571-64e9-a6caa6a8a60e@blomand.net>
	<c61bf9f3-62cb-55c9-aad3-500a3ccaf842@kj0f.com>
	<1563720618306-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<CAFA9ujvYmy1XCuisyfXof524aHN6sOUv3rojVbA-ruW=bEBxjw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <660096c7-76a8-4953-6d80-6b6bb375f746@embarqmail.com>

Kev,

Since you use the K-Pod, why don't you set CONFIG:VFO OFS to ON, and 
then set CONFIG:VFO CRS for whatever Coarse setting you want (that is a 
per mode setting).

Then on the K-Pod, when you want a fast QSY, just flip the bottom switch 
to the RIT position and move the knob with the coarse steps - it can 
work as long as you do not have RIT or XIT turned on.
Switch the rocker back to VFO A (or B) to finish the fine tuning.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 7/21/2019 11:47 AM, Kevin, N4TT wrote:
> A scenario from yesterday's contest.
> 
> I have the P3 set up to view about 3 or more KHz of spectrum. I use a K-pod
> to run my way up from low to high. I like the FINE setting to get that
> signal right where I want it but would like a course transition up to that
> signal. I could push a button to turn off FINE or turn on COARSE, run to
> the signal, push a button again to go back to FINE and finish the tuning. I
> could set up the macro buttons on the KPOD to do this so I didn't have to
> reach for the radio but still have to turn the functions on/off. Or, I
> could propose a method of changing VFO resolution based on turn rate. I
> like proposing things. One out of 100 gets a "hey, not a bad idea" comment.

From k6dgw at foothill.net  Sun Jul 21 12:50:57 2019
From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen)
Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2019 09:50:57 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Feature Request: Shifting VFO
In-Reply-To: <CAFA9ujvYmy1XCuisyfXof524aHN6sOUv3rojVbA-ruW=bEBxjw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFA9ujtmsbFZ4y8sTwDf1KA0R3sxEnYEsnpAHmuxjp0DT1ktDA@mail.gmail.com>
	<f9fc7a93-71c3-c083-a465-89445e72ba58@embarqmail.com>
	<921cfabc-d00f-9e41-e95c-380141587470@subich.com>
	<c228b971-8a34-c571-64e9-a6caa6a8a60e@blomand.net>
	<c61bf9f3-62cb-55c9-aad3-500a3ccaf842@kj0f.com>
	<1563720618306-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<CAFA9ujvYmy1XCuisyfXof524aHN6sOUv3rojVbA-ruW=bEBxjw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <51b536d7-3c4f-4e50-3112-f3852168c239@foothill.net>

<FWIW>? I had an Yaesu satellite-capable HF/VHF/UHF radio for quite 
awhile [FT-847??] that had a spring-loaded ring around the main tuning 
knob that would QSY faster the more you turned it.? Yaesu called it the 
"Jog Ring" or something like that.? Despite how good the concept sounds, 
I found it worse than useless ... it really [really] got in the way of 
using the radio. </FWIW>

73,
Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

On 7/21/2019 8:47 AM, Kevin, N4TT wrote:
> Or, I
> could propose a method of changing VFO resolution based on turn rate. I
> like proposing things. One out of 100 gets a "hey, not a bad idea" comment.
> :)
>


From jim at n7us.net  Sun Jul 21 13:31:02 2019
From: jim at n7us.net (Jim N7US)
Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2019 12:31:02 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 center frequency
Message-ID: <01d701d53fea$11f195c0$35d4c140$@n7us.net>

Should the P3 center frequency and span be remembered when changing bands?
Rephrasing, can they be remembered when changing bands?

 

Jim N7US

 


From k6dgw at foothill.net  Sun Jul 21 13:45:40 2019
From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen)
Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2019 10:45:40 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 center frequency
In-Reply-To: <01d701d53fea$11f195c0$35d4c140$@n7us.net>
References: <01d701d53fea$11f195c0$35d4c140$@n7us.net>
Message-ID: <2a69a224-f157-1025-ddfd-3c33aca82ebc@foothill.net>

Jim:? In general, yes, if you change bands with BAND ^/v.? When you 
change bands via the CAT, the P3 center freq won't always end up where 
you last had it.? I believe SPAN width is preserved but the span limits 
show up strange.? It's a known issue, has been discussed at some length 
here a few months ago.

73,
Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

On 7/21/2019 10:31 AM, Jim N7US wrote:
> Should the P3 center frequency and span be remembered when changing bands?
> Rephrasing, can they be remembered when changing bands?
>
> Jim N7US
>


From dd0vs at gmx.de  Sun Jul 21 14:32:37 2019
From: dd0vs at gmx.de (Harald Fritzsche)
Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2019 20:32:37 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 no RF Output
Message-ID: <trinity-4967b1a2-5db9-482e-b169-03b1c1bc801d-1563733957554@3c-app-gmx-bs73>

Dear Readers,

i made a water damage of my K3. Meanwhile Receiver is working again, after some repairs.

But there is still no RF output.

Main symptom is, that in case of TX (key down in CW) i find at J7 (8.215 MHz TXIF1) a 8.230MHz signal, but no signal passing the filter, expected approxymatetly 8.215Mhz too.

Any suggestions?

Regards
Harald
DD0VS

From w8fn at tx.rr.com  Sun Jul 21 14:44:11 2019
From: w8fn at tx.rr.com (Randy Farmer)
Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2019 13:44:11 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 center frequency
In-Reply-To: <2a69a224-f157-1025-ddfd-3c33aca82ebc@foothill.net>
References: <01d701d53fea$11f195c0$35d4c140$@n7us.net>
	<2a69a224-f157-1025-ddfd-3c33aca82ebc@foothill.net>
Message-ID: <0b69b484-a4e2-f151-16a5-2a5a40691d57@tx.rr.com>

It's been brought up several times in the last two or three years. No 
response from the P3 software guys. It's EXTREMELY annoying that the P3 
won't respect the center frequency setting if the radio is tuned via any 
CAT command. I've given up on hoping it will ever be fixed. My guess is 
that it's all hands and the cooks working on K4 software these days.

73...
Randy, W8FN

On 7/21/2019 12:45 PM, Fred Jensen wrote:
> Jim: In general, yes, if you change bands with BAND ^/v.? When you 
> change bands via the CAT, the P3 center freq won't always end up where 
> you last had it.? I believe SPAN width is preserved but the span 
> limits show up strange.? It's a known issue, has been discussed at 
> some length here a few months ago.
>
> 73,
> Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
> Sparks NV DM09dn
> Washoe County
>
> On 7/21/2019 10:31 AM, Jim N7US wrote:
>> Should the P3 center frequency and span be remembered when changing 
>> bands?
>> Rephrasing, can they be remembered when changing bands?
>>
>> Jim N7US


From rdewan1 at rochester.rr.com  Sun Jul 21 15:30:55 2019
From: rdewan1 at rochester.rr.com (Rajiv Dewan)
Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2019 19:30:55 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 with accessories more than half off
Message-ID: <emf566fc5e-0b2b-427d-9f15-f259c1af49ac@desktop-uq0nqcq>

P3 in perfect working condition
P3TXMON transmit monitor with 2Kw HF directional coupler (or 200W VHF 
one)
P3SVGA video adapter for VGA
CBLP3Y RJ45 cable for K3s/KIO3B
Value (1022.90 + 289.95) = 1,312.85
For sale less than 50%  $650 plus shipping

Raj, N2RD

--
Raj Dewan, N2RD
rdewan1 at rochester.rr.com

From g0ruz at g0ruz.com  Sun Jul 21 17:36:06 2019
From: g0ruz at g0ruz.com (Conrad PA5Y)
Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2019 21:36:06 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S HDSDR as a panadapter with IF out
In-Reply-To: <AM5P189MB0387FF91B557E2177D6686E4B5C50@AM5P189MB0387.EURP189.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
References: <AM5P189MB0387FF91B557E2177D6686E4B5C50@AM5P189MB0387.EURP189.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
Message-ID: <AM5P189MB03876BC9B44C08D0B26D329CB5C50@AM5P189MB0387.EURP189.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

I have a Perseus and I wonder if anybody is using a similar set up as a panadapter, the P3 has no mouse control and does not appeal to me having got used to HDSDR and Omnirig in the past. I suppose that I set the IF to 8.215 MHz in HDSDR? Any other tips?

73

Conrad PA5Y

From barrylazar2 at gmail.com  Sun Jul 21 17:43:18 2019
From: barrylazar2 at gmail.com (Barry)
Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2019 21:43:18 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S HDSDR as a panadapter with IF out
In-Reply-To: <AM5P189MB03876BC9B44C08D0B26D329CB5C50@am5p189mb0387.eurp189.prod.outlook.com>
References: <AM5P189MB0387FF91B557E2177D6686E4B5C50@am5p189mb0387.eurp189.prod.outlook.com>
	<AM5P189MB03876BC9B44C08D0B26D329CB5C50@am5p189mb0387.eurp189.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <em21871fa3-4fa6-4306-938c-db5d4af2bcd2@laptop3>

I suspect that you could do as you suggest, but it is almost mindlessly 
simple to use an SDRPlay driving Win4K3 Suite. You have mouse control 
and other features.

73,
Barry
K3NDM

------ Original Message ------
From: "Conrad PA5Y" <g0ruz at g0ruz.com>
To: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: 7/21/2019 5:36:06 PM
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S HDSDR as a panadapter with IF out

>I have a Perseus and I wonder if anybody is using a similar set up as a panadapter, the P3 has no mouse control and does not appeal to me having got used to HDSDR and Omnirig in the past. I suppose that I set the IF to 8.215 MHz in HDSDR? Any other tips?
>
>73
>
>Conrad PA5Y
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From nr4c at widomaker.com  Sun Jul 21 18:38:02 2019
From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c)
Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2019 18:38:02 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 no RF Output
In-Reply-To: <trinity-4967b1a2-5db9-482e-b169-03b1c1bc801d-1563733957554@3c-app-gmx-bs73>
References: <trinity-4967b1a2-5db9-482e-b169-03b1c1bc801d-1563733957554@3c-app-gmx-bs73>
Message-ID: <37E612F5-CBBE-4144-B89D-C092BFBF65BE@widomaker.com>

Is VOX On?

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill


> On Jul 21, 2019, at 2:32 PM, Harald Fritzsche <dd0vs at gmx.de> wrote:
> 
> Dear Readers,
> 
> i made a water damage of my K3. Meanwhile Receiver is working again, after some repairs.
> 
> But there is still no RF output.
> 
> Main symptom is, that in case of TX (key down in CW) i find at J7 (8.215 MHz TXIF1) a 8.230MHz signal, but no signal passing the filter, expected approxymatetly 8.215Mhz too.
> 
> Any suggestions?
> 
> Regards
> Harald
> DD0VS
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From g0ruz at g0ruz.com  Sun Jul 21 18:53:59 2019
From: g0ruz at g0ruz.com (Conrad PA5Y)
Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2019 22:53:59 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S HDSDR as a panadapter with IF out
In-Reply-To: <em21871fa3-4fa6-4306-938c-db5d4af2bcd2@laptop3>
References: <AM5P189MB0387FF91B557E2177D6686E4B5C50@am5p189mb0387.eurp189.prod.outlook.com>
	<AM5P189MB03876BC9B44C08D0B26D329CB5C50@am5p189mb0387.eurp189.prod.outlook.com>
	<em21871fa3-4fa6-4306-938c-db5d4af2bcd2@laptop3>
Message-ID: <AM5P189MB0387EEC3FDC166F4B6A9230CB5C50@AM5P189MB0387.EURP189.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

Indeed that is true and I have both an SRP2 and Win4K3Suite, however an SDRPlay SRP2 is several orders of magnitude inferior to a Perseus and completely collapses during EU 6m Sporadic E which is where I will be using it. Win4K3Suite software is very nice I agree.

What is mindlessly simple is assuming that a fellow has not considered these choices first. K3S first rate receiver, Perseus 1st rate receiver, SDRPlay cheap and not very good.

Does anyone have any experience of the proposed HDSDR and Perseus configuration?

73

Conrad PA5Y

-----Original Message-----
From: Barry <barrylazar2 at gmail.com> 
Sent: 21 July 2019 23:43
To: Conrad PA5Y <g0ruz at g0ruz.com>; elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S HDSDR as a panadapter with IF out

I suspect that you could do as you suggest, but it is almost mindlessly simple to use an SDRPlay driving Win4K3 Suite. You have mouse control and other features.

73,
Barry
K3NDM

------ Original Message ------
From: "Conrad PA5Y" <g0ruz at g0ruz.com>
To: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: 7/21/2019 5:36:06 PM
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S HDSDR as a panadapter with IF out

>I have a Perseus and I wonder if anybody is using a similar set up as a panadapter, the P3 has no mouse control and does not appeal to me having got used to HDSDR and Omnirig in the past. I suppose that I set the IF to 8.215 MHz in HDSDR? Any other tips?
>
>73
>
>Conrad PA5Y
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From elecraft.list at videotron.ca  Sun Jul 21 19:20:17 2019
From: elecraft.list at videotron.ca (Tom)
Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2019 19:20:17 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 center frequency
In-Reply-To: <pGqZhNjGzgSzTpGqahgfmI@videotron.ca>
References: <01d701d53fea$11f195c0$35d4c140$@n7us.net>
	<2a69a224-f157-1025-ddfd-3c33aca82ebc@foothill.net>
	<pGqZhNjGzgSzTpGqahgfmI@videotron.ca>
Message-ID: <004901d5401a$dc87eac0$9597c040$@videotron.ca>

Hi,
What exactly do you mean?
It is always set to whatever you send.  If you explain this a little more perhaps I can help.
73



-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On Behalf Of Randy Farmer
Sent: July 21, 2019 2:44 PM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 center frequency

It's been brought up several times in the last two or three years. No response from the P3 software guys. It's EXTREMELY annoying that the P3 won't respect the center frequency setting if the radio is tuned via any CAT command. I've given up on hoping it will ever be fixed. My guess is that it's all hands and the cooks working on K4 software these days.

73...
Randy, W8FN

On 7/21/2019 12:45 PM, Fred Jensen wrote:
> Jim: In general, yes, if you change bands with BAND ^/v.  When you 
> change bands via the CAT, the P3 center freq won't always end up where 
> you last had it.  I believe SPAN width is preserved but the span 
> limits show up strange.  It's a known issue, has been discussed at 
> some length here a few months ago.
>
> 73,
> Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
> Sparks NV DM09dn
> Washoe County
>
> On 7/21/2019 10:31 AM, Jim N7US wrote:
>> Should the P3 center frequency and span be remembered when changing 
>> bands?
>> Rephrasing, can they be remembered when changing bands?
>>
>> Jim N7US

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From rdewan1 at rochester.rr.com  Sun Jul 21 19:41:10 2019
From: rdewan1 at rochester.rr.com (Rajiv Dewan)
Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2019 23:41:10 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S HDSDR as a panadapter with IF out
In-Reply-To: <AM5P189MB0387EEC3FDC166F4B6A9230CB5C50@am5p189mb0387.eurp189.prod.outlook.com>
References: <AM5P189MB0387FF91B557E2177D6686E4B5C50@am5p189mb0387.eurp189.prod.outlook.com>
	<AM5P189MB03876BC9B44C08D0B26D329CB5C50@am5p189mb0387.eurp189.prod.outlook.com>
	<em21871fa3-4fa6-4306-938c-db5d4af2bcd2@laptop3>
	<AM5P189MB0387EEC3FDC166F4B6A9230CB5C50@am5p189mb0387.eurp189.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <em5579d598-0b57-44e9-a518-73f0f0adec32@desktop-uq0nqcq>

The Perseus receiver that gets overloaded on a busy band - Is it hooked 
up directly to the antenna or to the IF out on K3s?

I would think that the front end of the K3s should help the receiver 
hooked up on the IF.

Raj
--
Raj Dewan, N2RD
rdewan1 at rochester.rr.com

------ Original Message ------
From: "Conrad PA5Y" <g0ruz at g0ruz.com>
To: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: 7/21/2019 6:53:59 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S HDSDR as a panadapter with IF out

>Indeed that is true and I have both an SRP2 and Win4K3Suite, however an SDRPlay SRP2 is several orders of magnitude inferior to a Perseus and completely collapses during EU 6m Sporadic E which is where I will be using it. Win4K3Suite software is very nice I agree.
>
>What is mindlessly simple is assuming that a fellow has not considered these choices first. K3S first rate receiver, Perseus 1st rate receiver, SDRPlay cheap and not very good.
>
>Does anyone have any experience of the proposed HDSDR and Perseus configuration?
>
>73
>
>Conrad PA5Y
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Barry <barrylazar2 at gmail.com>
>Sent: 21 July 2019 23:43
>To: Conrad PA5Y <g0ruz at g0ruz.com>; elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S HDSDR as a panadapter with IF out
>
>I suspect that you could do as you suggest, but it is almost mindlessly simple to use an SDRPlay driving Win4K3 Suite. You have mouse control and other features.
>
>73,
>Barry
>K3NDM
>
>------ Original Message ------
>From: "Conrad PA5Y" <g0ruz at g0ruz.com>
>To: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
>Sent: 7/21/2019 5:36:06 PM
>Subject: [Elecraft] K3S HDSDR as a panadapter with IF out
>
>>I have a Perseus and I wonder if anybody is using a similar set up as a panadapter, the P3 has no mouse control and does not appeal to me having got used to HDSDR and Omnirig in the past. I suppose that I set the IF to 8.215 MHz in HDSDR? Any other tips?
>>
>>73
>>
>>Conrad PA5Y
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From k9ztv at socket.net  Sun Jul 21 19:49:37 2019
From: k9ztv at socket.net (KENT TRIMBLE)
Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2019 18:49:37 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Feature Request: Shifting VFO
In-Reply-To: <51b536d7-3c4f-4e50-3112-f3852168c239@foothill.net>
References: <CAFA9ujtmsbFZ4y8sTwDf1KA0R3sxEnYEsnpAHmuxjp0DT1ktDA@mail.gmail.com>
	<f9fc7a93-71c3-c083-a465-89445e72ba58@embarqmail.com>
	<921cfabc-d00f-9e41-e95c-380141587470@subich.com>
	<c228b971-8a34-c571-64e9-a6caa6a8a60e@blomand.net>
	<c61bf9f3-62cb-55c9-aad3-500a3ccaf842@kj0f.com>
	<1563720618306-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
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	<51b536d7-3c4f-4e50-3112-f3852168c239@foothill.net>
Message-ID: <dda276f1-8f62-6818-987a-d54bf9112fe5@socket.net>

Inrad had a mod about 20 years ago for the FT-1000/D which they called a 
"Tuning Upgrader" that provided a slower tuning rate than stock when you 
turned the main knob slower, restored the stock tuning rate when you 
turned the knob faster, and a higher tuning rate (25 KHz) when you spun 
the knob even faster.? It was a great modification which the FT-1000 
needed, but unfortunately is no longer offered.

No enhancements are needed to the K3's tuning rate(s), in my opinion.

73,

Kent? K9ZTV


On 7/21/2019 11:50 AM, Fred Jensen wrote:
> <FWIW> I had an Yaesu satellite-capable HF/VHF/UHF radio for quite 
> awhile [FT-847??] that had a spring-loaded ring around the main tuning 
> knob that would QSY faster the more you turned it.? Yaesu called it 
> the "Jog Ring" or something like that.? Despite how good the concept 
> sounds, I found it worse than useless ... it really [really] got in 
> the way of using the radio. </FWIW>
>
> 73,
> Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
> Sparks NV DM09dn
> Washoe County
>
> On 7/21/2019 8:47 AM, Kevin, N4TT wrote:
>> Or, I
>> could propose a method of changing VFO resolution based on turn rate. I
>> like proposing things. One out of 100 gets a "hey, not a bad idea" 
>> comment.
>> :)
>>
>
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From gt-i at gmx.net  Sun Jul 21 19:55:14 2019
From: gt-i at gmx.net (gt-i at gmx.net)
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2019 01:55:14 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S HDSDR as a panadapter with IF out
In-Reply-To: <AM5P189MB03876BC9B44C08D0B26D329CB5C50@AM5P189MB0387.EURP189.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
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Message-ID: <876e98c0-c199-70c1-c7f1-73682814b2b2@gmx.net>

Hi Conrad,
Select Input->Sound Card
Options->RF-Frontend: SDR on IF
Input, IF = don't care, Global
Offset=depends on the SDR-RX. I use Softrock with a modified clock, so
mine is -1.6kHz.
73 Gernot, DF5RF


Am 21.07.2019 um 23:36 schrieb Conrad PA5Y:
> I have a Perseus and I wonder if anybody is using a similar set up as a panadapter, the P3 has no mouse control and does not appeal to me having got used to HDSDR and Omnirig in the past. I suppose that I set the IF to 8.215 MHz in HDSDR? Any other tips?
>
> 73
>
> Conrad PA5Y
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From ars.nc0jw at gmail.com  Sun Jul 21 19:59:16 2019
From: ars.nc0jw at gmail.com (Jim White NC0JW)
Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2019 17:59:16 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft SSB Bet for Sunday July 21, 2019
Message-ID: <7E995C6B-4B22-457B-AD9E-AA8F040A7116@gmail.com>

With our regular net control Eric WB9JNZ on vacation this week John N6JW was acting net control. Thanks John for handling the net control duties.

QSB made things difficult. We again had surprisingly short skip on 20 meters and it was even shorter than last week.

With such propagation challenges as mentioned above our relay stations really makes the net possible.  As always a special thanks to all the relay stations noted below.

July 21, 2019 check ins:

N6JW		John	CA		K3		936		Net control
W1NGA		Al		CO		K3		5765
N0MPM		Mike	IA		K3S		10514
K7FH		Alan	OR		Yaesu FT-3000	Wait list for K4
W4DML		Doug	TN		K3		6433
K6VWE		Stan	MI		K3		650		Relay station
W7MDQ		Rich	AZ		Icom 7300
AE1E		Ken		TX		K3S		11611
W7QHD		Kurt		AZ		K2/100	1538
NS7P		Phil		OR		K3		1826
KNJUU		Larry	NM		Yaesu FT-450D
K7BRR		Bill		AZ		K3S		10939
K4HYJ		Hank	GA		K3S		11697
K7JG		John	WA		KX3		3519
KM4DK		Dirk		KY		KX3		3643
K4FBI		Mike	VA		K3S		11414
AI6B		Bryan	CA		KX3		3084
N7AZT		Steve	AZ		Kenwood TS-480
NC0JW		Jim		CO		KX3		1356	Relay station

Our regular Net Control Station Eric WB9JNZ in Chicago, IL. is scheduled to be back in the saddle next Sunday after a two week vacation.  Drop by when Eric kicks things off at 1800 UTC on 14.3035 MHz.  Join the fun and see what challenges the propagation gods might throw our way.

With propagation at a low point we employ several relay stations located around the continental USA to assist with check ins.  As conditions permit we take questions and comments after check ins.

Jim White - NC0JW
ars.nc0jw at gmail.com







From k6dgw at foothill.net  Sun Jul 21 20:04:14 2019
From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen)
Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2019 17:04:14 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 center frequency
In-Reply-To: <004901d5401a$dc87eac0$9597c040$@videotron.ca>
References: <01d701d53fea$11f195c0$35d4c140$@n7us.net>
	<2a69a224-f157-1025-ddfd-3c33aca82ebc@foothill.net>
	<pGqZhNjGzgSzTpGqahgfmI@videotron.ca>
	<004901d5401a$dc87eac0$9597c040$@videotron.ca>
Message-ID: <d676d9b5-bcf1-1ee5-58d1-99fc24ff323e@foothill.net>

Not sure who I'm talking to here, no signature, no call.? It's a little 
hard to explain but ...

Assume you set SPAN=100 KHz and put the left edge at the bottom of each 
band.? Changing bands back and forth using the BAND ^/v switch will 
preserve these settings, and every time you come back to a previous 
band, they will appear ... so long as you don't touch any of the P3 
controls.? However, using CAT commands [e.g. from a logger], you can 
change to a new band and the settings will hold, however returning to 
the previous band, the SPAN will still be 100 KHz but the center 
frequency will have moved and the left edge will no longer be at the 
bottom of the band.? Admittedly, it's a bit hard to duplicate but the 
circumstances that cause it are common in contesting and it has been 
duplicated by several folk, including me.

The issue has been raised here on the list more than once.? I think it 
first came up several years ago, which could be 1 or 6, even Apollo 11 
seems like yesterday to me these days. [:-)? It has some of the earmarks 
of an intentional attempt to "do something good" in the firmware which 
turned out to be not so good, but I really don't know.? For whatever the 
reason, I expect it to come back to the settings it had when I left that 
band.

As Randy said, it is really annoying.? I, and I think most, use the P3 
visually instead of looking at the K3.? If I set the left edge at the 
bottom of the band and the SPAN at 100 KHz, I automatically visualize 
the 1st 100 KHz directly from the screen. If it's changed as a result of 
band changes, my mental picture of that band segment is wrong.

73,
Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

On 7/21/2019 4:20 PM, Tom wrote:
> Hi,
> What exactly do you mean?
> It is always set to whatever you send.  If you explain this a little more perhaps I can help.
> 73
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On Behalf Of Randy Farmer
> Sent: July 21, 2019 2:44 PM
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 center frequency
>
> It's been brought up several times in the last two or three years. No response from the P3 software guys. It's EXTREMELY annoying that the P3 won't respect the center frequency setting if the radio is tuned via any CAT command. I've given up on hoping it will ever be fixed. My guess is that it's all hands and the cooks working on K4 software these days.
>
> 73...
> Randy, W8FN
>
> On 7/21/2019 12:45 PM, Fred Jensen wrote:
>> Jim: In general, yes, if you change bands with BAND ^/v.  When you
>> change bands via the CAT, the P3 center freq won't always end up where
>> you last had it.  I believe SPAN width is preserved but the span
>> limits show up strange.  It's a known issue, has been discussed at
>> some length here a few months ago.
>>
>> 73,
>> Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
>> Sparks NV DM09dn
>> Washoe County
>>
>> On 7/21/2019 10:31 AM, Jim N7US wrote:
>>> Should the P3 center frequency and span be remembered when changing
>>> bands?
>>> Rephrasing, can they be remembered when changing bands?
>>>
>>> Jim N7US
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From wunder at wunderwood.org  Sun Jul 21 20:27:46 2019
From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood)
Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2019 17:27:46 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Feature Request: Shifting VFO
In-Reply-To: <1563720618306-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <CAFA9ujtmsbFZ4y8sTwDf1KA0R3sxEnYEsnpAHmuxjp0DT1ktDA@mail.gmail.com>
	<f9fc7a93-71c3-c083-a465-89445e72ba58@embarqmail.com>
	<921cfabc-d00f-9e41-e95c-380141587470@subich.com>
	<c228b971-8a34-c571-64e9-a6caa6a8a60e@blomand.net>
	<c61bf9f3-62cb-55c9-aad3-500a3ccaf842@kj0f.com>
	<1563720618306-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <7704466B-7587-4CB4-A288-533B2176929F@wunderwood.org>

There is a similar computer feature called ?mouse acceleration?. It has been around for at least 20 years and people still haven?t agreed on whether it is a good or bad thing.

wunder
K6WRU
Walter Underwood
CM87wj
http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog)

> On Jul 21, 2019, at 7:50 AM, Ignacy <no9e at arrl.net> wrote:
> 
> Is it a feature of ICOMs?
> Neat as QSY to a far away frequency can be done without pressing any extra
> button.
> On the other hand, band-segment memories and clicking on spots makes
> long-range QSYing less important.
> Ignacy, NO9E
> 
> 
> 
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From dick at elecraft.com  Sun Jul 21 20:58:13 2019
From: dick at elecraft.com (Dick Dievendorff)
Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2019 17:58:13 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Feature Request: Shifting VFO
In-Reply-To: <7704466B-7587-4CB4-A288-533B2176929F@wunderwood.org>
References: <CAFA9ujtmsbFZ4y8sTwDf1KA0R3sxEnYEsnpAHmuxjp0DT1ktDA@mail.gmail.com>
	<f9fc7a93-71c3-c083-a465-89445e72ba58@embarqmail.com>
	<921cfabc-d00f-9e41-e95c-380141587470@subich.com>
	<c228b971-8a34-c571-64e9-a6caa6a8a60e@blomand.net>
	<c61bf9f3-62cb-55c9-aad3-500a3ccaf842@kj0f.com>
	<1563720618306-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<7704466B-7587-4CB4-A288-533B2176929F@wunderwood.org>
Message-ID: <5D3E254D-A641-4293-8451-A91FCAB1AE52@elecraft.com>

KPOD macros could stitch together 50 kHz with of UPn;UPn; or DNn or use direct frequency entry with FA for the bottom of the phone and CW band segments for a few bands.

What I do in contests is type a frequency into the callsign input area of N1MM; the hands stay on the keyboard. I also sometimes slowly tune the radio with up and down keyboard keys when I?m using a computer.

When in an assisted contest, you can jump to the next spot you haven?t worked in the bandmap with a single keystroke.

I don?t always use a computer for operating, but when I care about the time it takes is usually in a contest when I?m using a computer logger.

73 de Dick,  K6KR

> On Jul 21, 2019, at 17:27, Walter Underwood <wunder at wunderwood.org> wrote:
> 
> There is a similar computer feature called ?mouse acceleration?. It has been around for at least 20 years and people still haven?t agreed on whether it is a good or bad thing.
> 
> wunder
> K6WRU
> Walter Underwood
> CM87wj
> http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog)
> 
>> On Jul 21, 2019, at 7:50 AM, Ignacy <no9e at arrl.net> wrote:
>> 
>> Is it a feature of ICOMs?
>> Neat as QSY to a far away frequency can be done without pressing any extra
>> button.
>> On the other hand, band-segment memories and clicking on spots makes
>> long-range QSYing less important.
>> Ignacy, NO9E
>> 
>> 
>> 
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From k2vco.vic at gmail.com  Sun Jul 21 23:35:41 2019
From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP)
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2019 06:35:41 +0300
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 center frequency
In-Reply-To: <d676d9b5-bcf1-1ee5-58d1-99fc24ff323e@foothill.net>
References: <01d701d53fea$11f195c0$35d4c140$@n7us.net>
	<2a69a224-f157-1025-ddfd-3c33aca82ebc@foothill.net>
	<pGqZhNjGzgSzTpGqahgfmI@videotron.ca>
	<004901d5401a$dc87eac0$9597c040$@videotron.ca>
	<d676d9b5-bcf1-1ee5-58d1-99fc24ff323e@foothill.net>
Message-ID: <f1cf10d7-0d90-53d3-6f63-17749cb4b74d@gmail.com>

I have an additional problem, which is that sometimes this happens when 
I use the band up and band down buttons on the rig. I have not been able 
to understand why it only happens sometimes and not always.
I have a macro set up in the Commander module of the DXLabs program that 
I use for logging, which checks what band I'm on and then resets the 
limits and center as I want them, but it's still annoying.
Incidentally, for those who might be confused by the whole issue, it 
applies to using the P3 in FIXED, not tracking, mode.

73,
Victor, 4X6GP
Rehovot, Israel
Formerly K2VCO
CWops no. 5
http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/
On 22/07/2019 3:04, Fred Jensen wrote:
> Not sure who I'm talking to here, no signature, no call.? It's a little 
> hard to explain but ...
> 
> Assume you set SPAN=100 KHz and put the left edge at the bottom of each 
> band.? Changing bands back and forth using the BAND ^/v switch will 
> preserve these settings, and every time you come back to a previous 
> band, they will appear ... so long as you don't touch any of the P3 
> controls.? However, using CAT commands [e.g. from a logger], you can 
> change to a new band and the settings will hold, however returning to 
> the previous band, the SPAN will still be 100 KHz but the center 
> frequency will have moved and the left edge will no longer be at the 
> bottom of the band.? Admittedly, it's a bit hard to duplicate but the 
> circumstances that cause it are common in contesting and it has been 
> duplicated by several folk, including me.
> 
> The issue has been raised here on the list more than once.? I think it 
> first came up several years ago, which could be 1 or 6, even Apollo 11 
> seems like yesterday to me these days. [:-)? It has some of the earmarks 
> of an intentional attempt to "do something good" in the firmware which 
> turned out to be not so good, but I really don't know.? For whatever the 
> reason, I expect it to come back to the settings it had when I left that 
> band.
> 
> As Randy said, it is really annoying.? I, and I think most, use the P3 
> visually instead of looking at the K3.? If I set the left edge at the 
> bottom of the band and the SPAN at 100 KHz, I automatically visualize 
> the 1st 100 KHz directly from the screen. If it's changed as a result of 
> band changes, my mental picture of that band segment is wrong.
> 
> 73,
> Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
> Sparks NV DM09dn
> Washoe County
> 
> On 7/21/2019 4:20 PM, Tom wrote:
>> Hi,
>> What exactly do you mean?
>> It is always set to whatever you send.? If you explain this a little 
>> more perhaps I can help.
>> 73
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net 
>> <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On Behalf Of Randy Farmer
>> Sent: July 21, 2019 2:44 PM
>> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 center frequency
>>
>> It's been brought up several times in the last two or three years. No 
>> response from the P3 software guys. It's EXTREMELY annoying that the 
>> P3 won't respect the center frequency setting if the radio is tuned 
>> via any CAT command. I've given up on hoping it will ever be fixed. My 
>> guess is that it's all hands and the cooks working on K4 software 
>> these days.
>>
>> 73...
>> Randy, W8FN
>>
>> On 7/21/2019 12:45 PM, Fred Jensen wrote:
>>> Jim: In general, yes, if you change bands with BAND ^/v.? When you
>>> change bands via the CAT, the P3 center freq won't always end up where
>>> you last had it.? I believe SPAN width is preserved but the span
>>> limits show up strange.? It's a known issue, has been discussed at
>>> some length here a few months ago.
>>>
>>> 73,
>>> Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
>>> Sparks NV DM09dn
>>> Washoe County
>>>
>>> On 7/21/2019 10:31 AM, Jim N7US wrote:
>>>> Should the P3 center frequency and span be remembered when changing
>>>> bands?
>>>> Rephrasing, can they be remembered when changing bands?
>>>>
>>>> Jim N7US
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From kevinr at coho.net  Sun Jul 21 23:40:36 2019
From: kevinr at coho.net (kevinr)
Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2019 20:40:36 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Report
Message-ID: <fce2038b-c405-e25f-a28c-78f9f3cebe18@coho.net>

Good Evening,

 ?? Twenty meters was less noisy than forty.? QSB was deeper on the 
latter too.? Surprisingly everyone on 20 meters reported mild 
temperatures while on forty meters only two ops reported cooler 
temperatures.? One was hiding from tourists on a hillside near the 
Pacific.? The other was enjoying a respite from the heat and rain of the 
Plains.? I get moisture each morning when the dense fog comes in from 
the ocean and hits the trees.? They condense and precipitate it on the 
house.? Each tree can mine its own water for the day.


 ? On 14050.5 kHz at 2200z:

NO8V - John - Mi

W0CZ - Ken - ND

K6XK - Roy - IA

K0DTJ - Brian - CA


 ? On 7047.5 kHz at 0000z:

WM5F - Dwight - ID

K0DTJ - Brian - CA

W0CZ - Ken - ND

K6PJV - Dale - CA


 ?? The sun may send us more ions this week but I do know the 
thunderstorms will keep producing noise.? That's just the nature of 
summer.? Blackberries are about two weeks out, maybe I'll get to see the 
bear again.

 ?? 73,

 ????? Kevin.? KD5ONS


_


From hjohnc at gmail.com  Mon Jul 22 06:04:21 2019
From: hjohnc at gmail.com (John Huffman)
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2019 06:04:21 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3/0 and CW
Message-ID: <8b55122b-86dd-73ab-dd71-6e45cfba54d5@gmail.com>

I'm setting up a K3/0-Mini to control my K3 remotely.? I would like to 
use an external keyer (Logikeyer) since I don't like the timing of the 
RemoteRig keyer. I have questions.

Does the KEY jack on the back of the K3/0-Mini do anything?? If it 
operates like a straight key I could send my keyer output to that jack.

I've seen suggestions to modify the cable to the I/O jack on the 
RemoteRig box and insert the keyer output there.? Does this interfere 
with the other I/O functions of the K3/0-Mini?

73 de K1ESE
John

From p.vano at cpce.net  Mon Jul 22 08:07:38 2019
From: p.vano at cpce.net (VANO Peter)
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2019 14:07:38 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 60m band
Message-ID: <6e31fd17-1674-8ea3-6fa8-a3d2e25f06f4@cpce.net>

Hi,

my question (maybe to preliminary) is:

how is in K4 secured transmitting on 60m band?

TNX and 73, Peter, OM7VV



From kg9hfrank at gmail.com  Mon Jul 22 07:58:51 2019
From: kg9hfrank at gmail.com (Frank Krozel)
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2019 06:58:51 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 remote a K3
Message-ID: <84C4D752-741D-4E09-BC03-41DB9A48F760@gmail.com>

I?m not sure if this is ever been asked before but can a KX3 remotely control a K3?
Off-line responses please 
de Frank KG9H 




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From mtnest at hartcom.net  Mon Jul 22 09:15:57 2019
From: mtnest at hartcom.net (Tom Warren)
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2019 09:15:57 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net .....speed
Message-ID: <F7E3D779-1908-4828-9215-AABFD98BC97E@hartcom.net>

Kevin?..what wpm do you run your net ? 

Thanks, Tom
W4TMW

-------------------------------

Message: 15
Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2019 19:40:40 -0700
From: kevinr <kevinr at coho.net <mailto:kevinr at coho.net>>
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net <mailto:elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Announcement

Please join us on:

14050 kHz at 2200z Sunday (3 PM PDT Sunday)
?7047 kHz at 0000z Monday (5 PM PDT Sunday)

73,
Kevin. KD5ONS









"Don?t confuse effort with results.? 


From g0ruz at g0ruz.com  Mon Jul 22 09:31:57 2019
From: g0ruz at g0ruz.com (Conrad PA5Y)
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2019 13:31:57 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S HDSDR as a panadapter with IF out
In-Reply-To: <em5579d598-0b57-44e9-a518-73f0f0adec32@desktop-uq0nqcq>
References: <AM5P189MB0387FF91B557E2177D6686E4B5C50@am5p189mb0387.eurp189.prod.outlook.com>
	<AM5P189MB03876BC9B44C08D0B26D329CB5C50@am5p189mb0387.eurp189.prod.outlook.com>
	<em21871fa3-4fa6-4306-938c-db5d4af2bcd2@laptop3>
	<AM5P189MB0387EEC3FDC166F4B6A9230CB5C50@am5p189mb0387.eurp189.prod.outlook.com>,
	<em5579d598-0b57-44e9-a518-73f0f0adec32@desktop-uq0nqcq>
Message-ID: <AM5P189MB0387BC28C7E68C35BA36FECEB5C40@AM5P189MB0387.EURP189.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

Hi Raj the Perseus will not overload, that is exactly my point. The Perseus has close to the same blocking performance as the K3 so as a bandscope it will work great. You are correct that front end selectivity of the K3S will help any SDR attached to the IF port.


I thought that someone else may have had the same idea and already done it, hence the question.


Regards


Conrad PA5Y


________________________________
From: Rajiv Dewan <rdewan1 at rochester.rr.com>
Sent: 22 July 2019 01:41
To: Conrad PA5Y <g0ruz at g0ruz.com>; elecraft at mailman.qth.net <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re[2]: [Elecraft] K3S HDSDR as a panadapter with IF out

The Perseus receiver that gets overloaded on a busy band - Is it hooked
up directly to the antenna or to the IF out on K3s?

I would think that the front end of the K3s should help the receiver
hooked up on the IF.

Raj
--
Raj Dewan, N2RD
rdewan1 at rochester.rr.com

------ Original Message ------
From: "Conrad PA5Y" <g0ruz at g0ruz.com>
To: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: 7/21/2019 6:53:59 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S HDSDR as a panadapter with IF out

>Indeed that is true and I have both an SRP2 and Win4K3Suite, however an SDRPlay SRP2 is several orders of magnitude inferior to a Perseus and completely collapses during EU 6m Sporadic E which is where I will be using it. Win4K3Suite software is very nice I agree.
>
>What is mindlessly simple is assuming that a fellow has not considered these choices first. K3S first rate receiver, Perseus 1st rate receiver, SDRPlay cheap and not very good.
>
>Does anyone have any experience of the proposed HDSDR and Perseus configuration?
>
>73
>
>Conrad PA5Y
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Barry <barrylazar2 at gmail.com>
>Sent: 21 July 2019 23:43
>To: Conrad PA5Y <g0ruz at g0ruz.com>; elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S HDSDR as a panadapter with IF out
>
>I suspect that you could do as you suggest, but it is almost mindlessly simple to use an SDRPlay driving Win4K3 Suite. You have mouse control and other features.
>
>73,
>Barry
>K3NDM
>
>------ Original Message ------
>From: "Conrad PA5Y" <g0ruz at g0ruz.com>
>To: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
>Sent: 7/21/2019 5:36:06 PM
>Subject: [Elecraft] K3S HDSDR as a panadapter with IF out
>
>>I have a Perseus and I wonder if anybody is using a similar set up as a panadapter, the P3 has no mouse control and does not appeal to me having got used to HDSDR and Omnirig in the past. I suppose that I set the IF to 8.215 MHz in HDSDR? Any other tips?
>>
>>73
>>
>>Conrad PA5Y
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From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Mon Jul 22 09:53:25 2019
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2019 08:53:25 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S HDSDR as a panadapter with IF out
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I used? a RSP-1 {SDR Play} on the IF output of my K3S before I purchased 
my P3.?? I used HDSDR and OmniRig as the controlling software.? I was 
very pleased with its performance, ease of use, and ease of configuration.

73

Bob, K4TAX


On 7/22/2019 8:31 AM, Conrad PA5Y wrote:
> Hi Raj the Perseus will not overload, that is exactly my point. The Perseus has close to the same blocking performance as the K3 so as a bandscope it will work great. You are correct that front end selectivity of the K3S will help any SDR attached to the IF port.
>
>
> I thought that someone else may have had the same idea and already done it, hence the question.
>
>
> Regards
>
>
> Conrad PA5Y
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Rajiv Dewan <rdewan1 at rochester.rr.com>
> Sent: 22 July 2019 01:41
> To: Conrad PA5Y <g0ruz at g0ruz.com>; elecraft at mailman.qth.net <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re[2]: [Elecraft] K3S HDSDR as a panadapter with IF out
>
> The Perseus receiver that gets overloaded on a busy band - Is it hooked
> up directly to the antenna or to the IF out on K3s?
>
> I would think that the front end of the K3s should help the receiver
> hooked up on the IF.
>
> Raj
> --
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> rdewan1 at rochester.rr.com
>
> ------ Original Message ------
> From: "Conrad PA5Y" <g0ruz at g0ruz.com>
> To: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Sent: 7/21/2019 6:53:59 PM
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S HDSDR as a panadapter with IF out
>
>> Indeed that is true and I have both an SRP2 and Win4K3Suite, however an SDRPlay SRP2 is several orders of magnitude inferior to a Perseus and completely collapses during EU 6m Sporadic E which is where I will be using it. Win4K3Suite software is very nice I agree.
>>
>> What is mindlessly simple is assuming that a fellow has not considered these choices first. K3S first rate receiver, Perseus 1st rate receiver, SDRPlay cheap and not very good.
>>
>> Does anyone have any experience of the proposed HDSDR and Perseus configuration?
>>
>> 73
>>
>> Conrad PA5Y
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Barry <barrylazar2 at gmail.com>
>> Sent: 21 July 2019 23:43
>> To: Conrad PA5Y <g0ruz at g0ruz.com>; elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S HDSDR as a panadapter with IF out
>>
>> I suspect that you could do as you suggest, but it is almost mindlessly simple to use an SDRPlay driving Win4K3 Suite. You have mouse control and other features.
>>
>> 73,
>> Barry
>> K3NDM
>>
>> ------ Original Message ------
>> From: "Conrad PA5Y" <g0ruz at g0ruz.com>
>> To: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
>> Sent: 7/21/2019 5:36:06 PM
>> Subject: [Elecraft] K3S HDSDR as a panadapter with IF out
>>
>>> I have a Perseus and I wonder if anybody is using a similar set up as a panadapter, the P3 has no mouse control and does not appeal to me having got used to HDSDR and Omnirig in the past. I suppose that I set the IF to 8.215 MHz in HDSDR? Any other tips?
>>>
>>> 73
>>>
>>> Conrad PA5Y
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From elecraft.list at videotron.ca  Mon Jul 22 11:23:38 2019
From: elecraft.list at videotron.ca (Tom)
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2019 11:23:38 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 center frequency
In-Reply-To: <pLqOhZrcDAmZLpLqPhS7cz@videotron.ca>
References: <01d701d53fea$11f195c0$35d4c140$@n7us.net>
	<2a69a224-f157-1025-ddfd-3c33aca82ebc@foothill.net>
	<pGqZhNjGzgSzTpGqahgfmI@videotron.ca>
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Hi,
Sorry, I forgot my signature.  It's Tom va2fsq.
I've tried this out quite a bit with Win4K3Suite, and in fixed mode changing bands always results in the correct behavior.  The left frequency in the P3 display is always where it was left the last time you were on that band.
Win4K3Suite issues the BN command when it switches bands.  It's possible that other packages where you see this behavior do not.
For example, N1MM, DXLab, actually sends the last frequency that was on the previous band.  It does not issue a BN command.  Other packages might do similar things.  
However, is this intermittent?  Or does it always occur.  Which application?  Is it possible that you QSY'd outside the span at some point?  The left frequency will then be different.
So unless this is intermittent, or caused by the application, it would seem that the P3 is operating correctly.
73 Tom
Va2fsq.com

-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On Behalf Of Fred Jensen
Sent: July 21, 2019 8:04 PM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 center frequency

Not sure who I'm talking to here, no signature, no call.  It's a little hard to explain but ...

Assume you set SPAN=100 KHz and put the left edge at the bottom of each band.  Changing bands back and forth using the BAND ^/v switch will preserve these settings, and every time you come back to a previous band, they will appear ... so long as you don't touch any of the P3 controls.  However, using CAT commands [e.g. from a logger], you can change to a new band and the settings will hold, however returning to the previous band, the SPAN will still be 100 KHz but the center frequency will have moved and the left edge will no longer be at the bottom of the band.  Admittedly, it's a bit hard to duplicate but the circumstances that cause it are common in contesting and it has been duplicated by several folk, including me.

The issue has been raised here on the list more than once.  I think it first came up several years ago, which could be 1 or 6, even Apollo 11 seems like yesterday to me these days. [:-)  It has some of the earmarks of an intentional attempt to "do something good" in the firmware which turned out to be not so good, but I really don't know.  For whatever the reason, I expect it to come back to the settings it had when I left that band.

As Randy said, it is really annoying.  I, and I think most, use the P3 visually instead of looking at the K3.  If I set the left edge at the bottom of the band and the SPAN at 100 KHz, I automatically visualize the 1st 100 KHz directly from the screen. If it's changed as a result of band changes, my mental picture of that band segment is wrong.

73,
Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

On 7/21/2019 4:20 PM, Tom wrote:
> Hi,
> What exactly do you mean?
> It is always set to whatever you send.  If you explain this a little more perhaps I can help.
> 73
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On Behalf Of Randy Farmer
> Sent: July 21, 2019 2:44 PM
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 center frequency
>
> It's been brought up several times in the last two or three years. No response from the P3 software guys. It's EXTREMELY annoying that the P3 won't respect the center frequency setting if the radio is tuned via any CAT command. I've given up on hoping it will ever be fixed. My guess is that it's all hands and the cooks working on K4 software these days.
>
> 73...
> Randy, W8FN
>
> On 7/21/2019 12:45 PM, Fred Jensen wrote:
>> Jim: In general, yes, if you change bands with BAND ^/v.  When you
>> change bands via the CAT, the P3 center freq won't always end up where
>> you last had it.  I believe SPAN width is preserved but the span
>> limits show up strange.  It's a known issue, has been discussed at
>> some length here a few months ago.
>>
>> 73,
>> Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
>> Sparks NV DM09dn
>> Washoe County
>>
>> On 7/21/2019 10:31 AM, Jim N7US wrote:
>>> Should the P3 center frequency and span be remembered when changing
>>> bands?
>>> Rephrasing, can they be remembered when changing bands?
>>>
>>> Jim N7US
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From kevinr at coho.net  Mon Jul 22 11:27:08 2019
From: kevinr at coho.net (kevinr)
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2019 08:27:08 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net .....speed
In-Reply-To: <F7E3D779-1908-4828-9215-AABFD98BC97E@hartcom.net>
References: <F7E3D779-1908-4828-9215-AABFD98BC97E@hartcom.net>
Message-ID: <1639619a-9142-3f47-ac31-ac0358531819@coho.net>

Hi Tom,

 ?? Your namesake, Tom Hammond (N0SS now SK), put a speed limit on me a 
long time ago.? I run at about 20 to 21 wpm, a good conversational 
speed.? Faster ops are welcome as are those who run more slowly.? While 
working slower operators I put more space between each character and 
between words but maintain my character rate.? If I slow down too much 
my fingers get stuck either open or closed which causes many malformed 
characters.? I should not have been so hard on my hands when I was younger.

 ?? 73,

 ?????? Kevin.? KD5ONS

-

On 7/22/19 6:15 AM, Tom Warren wrote:
> Kevin?..what wpm do you run your net ?
>
> Thanks, Tom
> W4TMW
>
> -------------------------------
>
> Message: 15
> Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2019 19:40:40 -0700
> From: kevinr <kevinr at coho.net <mailto:kevinr at coho.net>>
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net <mailto:elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Announcement
>
> Please join us on:
>
> 14050 kHz at 2200z Sunday (3 PM PDT Sunday)
> ?7047 kHz at 0000z Monday (5 PM PDT Sunday)
>
> 73,
> Kevin. KD5ONS
>
>
>
>
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From indians at xsmail.com  Mon Jul 22 11:39:50 2019
From: indians at xsmail.com (Petr, OK1RP/M0SIS)
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2019 08:39:50 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S AGC action in CW
In-Reply-To: <000401d53e56$359c4140$a0d4c3c0$@mulzer.de>
References: <000301d53e0a$0c155f60$24401e20$@mulzer.de>
	<000001d53e51$907111e0$b15335a0$@mulzer.de>
	<000401d53e56$359c4140$a0d4c3c0$@mulzer.de>
Message-ID: <1563809990587-0.post@n2.nabble.com>

Roger,

you would like to say that when I will enable CW decoder the AGC system
ignore all custom's settings and going to use default Slow AGC template
config? Somehow I don't want to believe it...






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From dd0vs at gmx.de  Mon Jul 22 11:43:15 2019
From: dd0vs at gmx.de (Harald Fritzsche)
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2019 17:43:15 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 no RF Output
Message-ID: <trinity-8ff8454d-b18a-42c0-9a19-6f4f8ba07146-1563810195859@3c-app-gmx-bs75>

Hello Readers,
i need to understand which point in the signal path i have to control/measure to investigate further damages in my K3 after water damage event.
yes, VOX is on.
When i have the place where the issue starts, i want to understand what is causing that behavior.
Currently receiver is working, but i have no RF output from PA. So i want to check the TX path.
During TX i see no output from DAC to TXIF in CW, i would expect a 15KHz signal there. But i find during RX on ADC an input signal(bandwidth 2Khz @ 16KHz).
I only see an 8230KHz signal at roofing filter input.

First: ist this assumption right, to see 15KHz after DAC output? If yes on wich pin of which jumper?
If correct, what can cause, that the signal is not appearing.

Probably i could replace the RF board by a new one, but i want to avoid it.

vy73
Harald
DD0VS



From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Mon Jul 22 11:48:36 2019
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2019 11:48:36 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S AGC action in CW
In-Reply-To: <1563809990587-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <000301d53e0a$0c155f60$24401e20$@mulzer.de>
	<000001d53e51$907111e0$b15335a0$@mulzer.de>
	<000401d53e56$359c4140$a0d4c3c0$@mulzer.de>
	<1563809990587-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <37e136a5-7564-c224-a97e-841a05e4f5b8@embarqmail.com>

Petr,

It does change to slow AGC, but any custom settings remain in place.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 7/22/2019 11:39 AM, Petr, OK1RP/M0SIS wrote:
> Roger,
> 
> you would like to say that when I will enable CW decoder the AGC system
> ignore all custom's settings and going to use default Slow AGC template
> config? Somehow I don't want to believe it...

From indians at xsmail.com  Mon Jul 22 11:56:52 2019
From: indians at xsmail.com (Petr Ourednik)
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2019 17:56:52 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S AGC action in CW
In-Reply-To: <37e136a5-7564-c224-a97e-841a05e4f5b8@embarqmail.com>
References: <000301d53e0a$0c155f60$24401e20$@mulzer.de>
	<000001d53e51$907111e0$b15335a0$@mulzer.de>
	<000401d53e56$359c4140$a0d4c3c0$@mulzer.de>
	<1563809990587-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<37e136a5-7564-c224-a97e-841a05e4f5b8@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <3bd2e77f-15f3-46f9-9627-f50be457db4b@www.fastmail.com>

Hi Don,

aha, that's makes sense.
Thank you for explanation.

best regards,
Petr, OK1RP

On Mon, Jul 22, 2019, at 5:48 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
> Petr,
> 
> It does change to slow AGC, but any custom settings remain in place.
> 
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
> 
> On 7/22/2019 11:39 AM, Petr, OK1RP/M0SIS wrote:
> > Roger,
> > 
> > you would like to say that when I will enable CW decoder the AGC system
> > ignore all custom's settings and going to use default Slow AGC template
> > config? Somehow I don't want to believe it...
>

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From chrisc at chris.org  Mon Jul 22 11:46:14 2019
From: chrisc at chris.org (Chris Cox, N0UK)
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2019 10:46:14 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 remote a K3
In-Reply-To: <84C4D752-741D-4E09-BC03-41DB9A48F760@gmail.com>
References: <84C4D752-741D-4E09-BC03-41DB9A48F760@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.1907221045560.2251@xsvr1.chris.org>

It appears not, although I was wondering the same thing.

--
73 Chris Cox, N0UK, G4JEC
chrisc at chris.org

On Mon, 22 Jul 2019, Frank Krozel wrote:

> I?m not sure if this is ever been asked before but can a KX3 remotely control a K3?
Off-line responses please
de Frank KG9H




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From jim at rhodesend.net  Mon Jul 22 12:26:47 2019
From: jim at rhodesend.net (Jim Rhodes)
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2019 11:26:47 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 remote a K3
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.1907221045560.2251@xsvr1.chris.org>
References: <84C4D752-741D-4E09-BC03-41DB9A48F760@gmail.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.1907221045560.2251@xsvr1.chris.org>
Message-ID: <CALhxr4b-PnLVc_eT5ffG71Q4mAmqAUWv_h4gX+t-Bxq7pdg+Cg@mail.gmail.com>

Actually, yes. But there are not all the controls available, so it is basic
control. Does work though.

Jim Rhodes
K0XU

On Mon, Jul 22, 2019, 11:04 Chris Cox, N0UK <chrisc at chris.org> wrote:

> It appears not, although I was wondering the same thing.
>
> --
> 73 Chris Cox, N0UK, G4JEC
> chrisc at chris.org
>
> On Mon, 22 Jul 2019, Frank Krozel wrote:
>
> > I?m not sure if this is ever been asked before but can a KX3 remotely
> control a K3?
> Off-line responses please
> de Frank KG9H
>
>
>
>
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From mspmail2 at gmail.com  Mon Jul 22 12:39:15 2019
From: mspmail2 at gmail.com (Mike Parkes)
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2019 09:39:15 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 - options to automatically send digital mode CQ's
	with pauses to listen
Message-ID: <CAP4v5qwKEys38Wkakr24rZ4ZQvt4q2hERnAWDW1W7hCmPDVoRg@mail.gmail.com>

I am searching for what software exists that will allow the KX3, while in
data modes (rtty for example), to send a group of CQ's... and then pause to
listen... and then automatically sends CQ again, and continues this until
the OP halts the process. I am not aware of any macro for the KX3 that
would do this. I don't think fldigi has this kind of functionality. HRD
seems to do this which I have not tried. Is there anything else out there
for digi modes that does this? I have a Kantronics KAM that I might put
back into service, as I know for sure it can do this, but thought I would
search software solutions first. Thanks if anyone has any thoughts on that!
73's -Mike AB7RU

From kg9hfrank at gmail.com  Mon Jul 22 12:30:38 2019
From: kg9hfrank at gmail.com (Frank Krozel)
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2019 11:30:38 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 remote a K3
In-Reply-To: <CALhxr4b-PnLVc_eT5ffG71Q4mAmqAUWv_h4gX+t-Bxq7pdg+Cg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <84C4D752-741D-4E09-BC03-41DB9A48F760@gmail.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.1907221045560.2251@xsvr1.chris.org>
	<CALhxr4b-PnLVc_eT5ffG71Q4mAmqAUWv_h4gX+t-Bxq7pdg+Cg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6B93F59F-41F6-4C08-AB9A-189A5C03C505@gmail.com>

Jim can I contact you offline?




Sincerely,  Frank Krozel t: 1-630-924-1600 frank at electronicinstrument.com
BSEE,   AASEET,   FCC Lic.# PG-18-19178,   KG9H
Electronic Instrument Associates - Central, Inc. ...since 1971
w: www.electronicinstrument.com  d/l our linecard at http://www.electronicinstrument.com/lc.pdf  


> On Jul 22, 2019, at 11:26 AM, Jim Rhodes <jim at rhodesend.net> wrote:
> 
> Actually, yes. But there are not all the controls available, so it is basic control. Does work though.
> 
> Jim Rhodes
> K0XU
> 
>> On Mon, Jul 22, 2019, 11:04 Chris Cox, N0UK <chrisc at chris.org> wrote:
>> It appears not, although I was wondering the same thing.
>> 
>> --
>> 73 Chris Cox, N0UK, G4JEC
>> chrisc at chris.org
>> 
>> On Mon, 22 Jul 2019, Frank Krozel wrote:
>> 
>> > I?m not sure if this is ever been asked before but can a KX3 remotely control a K3?
>> Off-line responses please
>> de Frank KG9H
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sincerely,  Frank Krozel t: 1-630-924-1600 frank at electronicinstrument.com
>> BSEE,   AASEET,   FCC Lic.# PG-18-19178,   KG9H
>> Electronic Instrument Associates - Central, Inc. ...since 1971
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>> 
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From n1al at sonic.net  Mon Jul 22 12:56:34 2019
From: n1al at sonic.net (Alan Bloom)
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2019 09:56:34 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 center frequency
In-Reply-To: <00d001d540a1$74304350$5c90c9f0$@videotron.ca>
References: <01d701d53fea$11f195c0$35d4c140$@n7us.net>
	<2a69a224-f157-1025-ddfd-3c33aca82ebc@foothill.net>
	<pGqZhNjGzgSzTpGqahgfmI@videotron.ca>
	<004901d5401a$dc87eac0$9597c040$@videotron.ca>
	<pLqOhZrcDAmZLpLqPhS7cz@videotron.ca>
	<00d001d540a1$74304350$5c90c9f0$@videotron.ca>
Message-ID: <6060331b76af30acca03d30f58e8b880@sonic.net>

I'm out of town right now so I can't test this out.  But when it came up
before, as I recall the problem turned out to be as Tom says, some
software programs send frequency and band commands in an order that
causes the P3 to temporarily be tuned outside the span window. 

Normally, the P3 tries to keep the VFO A frequency within the span, so
when the "wrong" frequency appears, the P3 re-tunes itself.  When the
frequency returns to the correct value, the P3 retunes again to put that
frequency somewheree within the span, using rules determined by the MENU
FixMode selection. 

A think a workaround for this is to set FixMode to "Static".  As I say,
I am not able to test that right now since I'm out of town, but I think
that will force the frequency range to be corrrect even after a
software-initiated band change. 

Alan N1AL

On 2019-07-22 08:23, Tom wrote:

> Hi,
> Sorry, I forgot my signature.  It's Tom va2fsq.
> I've tried this out quite a bit with Win4K3Suite, and in fixed mode changing bands always results in the correct behavior.  The left frequency in the P3 display is always where it was left the last time you were on that band.
> Win4K3Suite issues the BN command when it switches bands.  It's possible that other packages where you see this behavior do not.
> For example, N1MM, DXLab, actually sends the last frequency that was on the previous band.  It does not issue a BN command.  Other packages might do similar things.  
> However, is this intermittent?  Or does it always occur.  Which application?  Is it possible that you QSY'd outside the span at some point?  The left frequency will then be different.
> So unless this is intermittent, or caused by the application, it would seem that the P3 is operating correctly.
> 73 Tom
> Va2fsq.com
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On Behalf Of Fred Jensen
> Sent: July 21, 2019 8:04 PM
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 center frequency
> 
> Not sure who I'm talking to here, no signature, no call.  It's a little hard to explain but ...
> 
> Assume you set SPAN=100 KHz and put the left edge at the bottom of each band.  Changing bands back and forth using the BAND ^/v switch will preserve these settings, and every time you come back to a previous band, they will appear ... so long as you don't touch any of the P3 controls.  However, using CAT commands [e.g. from a logger], you can change to a new band and the settings will hold, however returning to the previous band, the SPAN will still be 100 KHz but the center frequency will have moved and the left edge will no longer be at the bottom of the band.  Admittedly, it's a bit hard to duplicate but the circumstances that cause it are common in contesting and it has been duplicated by several folk, including me.
> 
> The issue has been raised here on the list more than once.  I think it first came up several years ago, which could be 1 or 6, even Apollo 11 seems like yesterday to me these days. [:-)  It has some of the earmarks of an intentional attempt to "do something good" in the firmware which turned out to be not so good, but I really don't know.  For whatever the reason, I expect it to come back to the settings it had when I left that band.
> 
> As Randy said, it is really annoying.  I, and I think most, use the P3 visually instead of looking at the K3.  If I set the left edge at the bottom of the band and the SPAN at 100 KHz, I automatically visualize the 1st 100 KHz directly from the screen. If it's changed as a result of band changes, my mental picture of that band segment is wrong.
> 
> 73,
> Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
> Sparks NV DM09dn
> Washoe County
> 
> On 7/21/2019 4:20 PM, Tom wrote: Hi,
> What exactly do you mean?
> It is always set to whatever you send.  If you explain this a little more perhaps I can help.
> 73
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On Behalf Of Randy Farmer
> Sent: July 21, 2019 2:44 PM
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 center frequency
> 
> It's been brought up several times in the last two or three years. No response from the P3 software guys. It's EXTREMELY annoying that the P3 won't respect the center frequency setting if the radio is tuned via any CAT command. I've given up on hoping it will ever be fixed. My guess is that it's all hands and the cooks working on K4 software these days.
> 
> 73...
> Randy, W8FN
> 
> On 7/21/2019 12:45 PM, Fred Jensen wrote: Jim: In general, yes, if you change bands with BAND ^/v.  When you
> change bands via the CAT, the P3 center freq won't always end up where
> you last had it.  I believe SPAN width is preserved but the span
> limits show up strange.  It's a known issue, has been discussed at
> some length here a few months ago.
> 
> 73,
> Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
> Sparks NV DM09dn
> Washoe County
> 
> On 7/21/2019 10:31 AM, Jim N7US wrote: Should the P3 center frequency and span be remembered when changing
> bands?
> Rephrasing, can they be remembered when changing bands?
> 
> Jim N7US
 ______________________________________________________________

From k6dgw at foothill.net  Mon Jul 22 13:12:59 2019
From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen)
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2019 10:12:59 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3/0 and CW
In-Reply-To: <8b55122b-86dd-73ab-dd71-6e45cfba54d5@gmail.com>
References: <8b55122b-86dd-73ab-dd71-6e45cfba54d5@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <cf995611-07b3-fadc-e99f-19b79e8bdf24@foothill.net>

John: If you are using the "Quadrapus cable set" that Elecraft sells for 
the K3/0-RRC1258 combo, I believe the answer is "Yes."? I remote to W7RN 
using my K3 and don't have a K3/0 but I've coached others who do get 
their configuration right and that's how they do it.? Pin 4 of the RJ45 
I/O connector on the back of the 1258 is the key line [pin 8 is ground] 
and you can use it instead, however the Elecraft cable set takes care of 
all the interconnections for you.

73,
Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

On 7/22/2019 3:04 AM, John Huffman wrote:
> I'm setting up a K3/0-Mini to control my K3 remotely.? I would like to 
> use an external keyer (Logikeyer) since I don't like the timing of the 
> RemoteRig keyer. I have questions.
>
> Does the KEY jack on the back of the K3/0-Mini do anything?? If it 
> operates like a straight key I could send my keyer output to that jack.
>
> I've seen suggestions to modify the cable to the I/O jack on the 
> RemoteRig box and insert the keyer output there.? Does this interfere 
> with the other I/O functions of the K3/0-Mini?
>
> 73 de K1ESE
> John


From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Mon Jul 22 13:34:36 2019
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2019 13:34:36 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 - options to automatically send digital mode
 CQ's with pauses to listen
In-Reply-To: <CAP4v5qwKEys38Wkakr24rZ4ZQvt4q2hERnAWDW1W7hCmPDVoRg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAP4v5qwKEys38Wkakr24rZ4ZQvt4q2hERnAWDW1W7hCmPDVoRg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6df53581-1670-d079-8358-4c634cb5de41@embarqmail.com>

Mike,

No software is needed.  Record your CQ in a message memory - don't 
forget to end it with the "IM" chacracter if using paddles to enter the 
text.  If you use KX3 Utility to enter the text, end with a "|" 
character to stop the 4 second 'diddle'.

Then set MENU:MSG RPT for the repeat interval you want to use.
See the CW/DATA Message Record/Play section of the KX3 manual.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 7/22/2019 12:39 PM, Mike Parkes wrote:
> I am searching for what software exists that will allow the KX3, while in
> data modes (rtty for example), to send a group of CQ's... and then pause to
> listen... and then automatically sends CQ again, and continues this until
> the OP halts the process. 

From k6dgw at foothill.net  Mon Jul 22 14:24:58 2019
From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen)
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2019 11:24:58 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 center frequency
In-Reply-To: <6060331b76af30acca03d30f58e8b880@sonic.net>
References: <01d701d53fea$11f195c0$35d4c140$@n7us.net>
	<2a69a224-f157-1025-ddfd-3c33aca82ebc@foothill.net>
	<pGqZhNjGzgSzTpGqahgfmI@videotron.ca>
	<004901d5401a$dc87eac0$9597c040$@videotron.ca>
	<pLqOhZrcDAmZLpLqPhS7cz@videotron.ca>
	<00d001d540a1$74304350$5c90c9f0$@videotron.ca>
	<6060331b76af30acca03d30f58e8b880@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <ac938a14-9975-db3a-1be8-1b52e7ac52d8@foothill.net>

Alan: Your description may be right on, it may explain why the effect is 
difficult to reproduce and appears to be "intermittent," sometimes it 
maintains the center frequency and sometimes it doesn't.? I'll try the 
FixMode=Static with a controlled set of changes that I know will cause 
the problem in Full Screen mode.

73,
Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

On 7/22/2019 9:56 AM, Alan Bloom wrote:
>
> I'm out of town right now so I can't test this out.? But when it came 
> up before, as I recall the problem turned out to be as Tom says, some 
> software programs send frequency and band commands in an order that 
> causes the P3 to temporarily be tuned outside the span window.
>
>
> Normally, the P3 tries to keep the VFO A frequency within the span, so 
> when the "wrong" frequency appears, the P3 re-tunes itself.? When the 
> frequency returns to the correct value, the P3 retunes again to put 
> that frequency somewheree within the span, using rules determined by 
> the MENU FixMode selection.
>
>
> A think a workaround for this is to set FixMode to "Static". As I say, 
> I am not able to test that right now since I'm out of town, but I 
> think that will force the frequency range to be corrrect even after a 
> software-initiated band change.
>
>
>


From k2asp at kanafi.org  Mon Jul 22 14:32:54 2019
From: k2asp at kanafi.org (k2asp kanafi.org)
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2019 14:32:54 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Elecraft] Windows update clobbered me
In-Reply-To: <3b5dbbf9-63cc-ef49-a04f-cde936528931@blomand.net>
References: <4df42b14-9cd0-6e91-249a-028b15a2f4cb@gmail.com>
	<3b5dbbf9-63cc-ef49-a04f-cde936528931@blomand.net>
Message-ID: <2141454030.272857.1563820374884@webmail.networksolutionsemail.com>


> On July 20, 2019 at 11:13 AM Bob McGraw K4TAX <rmcgraw at blomand.net> wrote:
> 
> 
> I would first reboot the computer a couple of times.? Then go to the 
> Windows Update application and run it.? Take all the defaults and let it 
> "do its thing".??? A failed update will leave lots of fragments and crap 
> in the computer.
> 
> Also I suggest, as I do, run an application that gets rid of trash, 
> broken links, and such.? And that same application has the ability to 
> clean the computer Registry.? Usually there is lots of "crap" left over 
> from updates, software installs, and software uninstalls.?? My 
> application is the paid? version but you can use the FREE version of 
> CCLEANER for this activity.

My only gripe about that procedure (which I use for that same purpose) is that it deletes all the cookies whether I tell it to do so or not. The result is that when I log into my bank on-line, they go through the "we will send you a security code" verification procedure because it can't find the now-deleted cookie.  I guess that we can't have everything.....

73 de K2ASOP  Phil Kane
Sent by remote log-in

From hjohnc at gmail.com  Mon Jul 22 15:47:42 2019
From: hjohnc at gmail.com (John Huffman)
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2019 15:47:42 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3/0 and CW
In-Reply-To: <05b28ec8-83e7-84bc-8cfc-f6119a2457bf@gmx.de>
References: <8b55122b-86dd-73ab-dd71-6e45cfba54d5@gmail.com>
	<05b28ec8-83e7-84bc-8cfc-f6119a2457bf@gmx.de>
Message-ID: <7bb295ff-ca80-a08c-5628-48948e7e97a5@gmail.com>

Mitch -

That has worked for other radios and my RemoteRig box, but the K3/0-Mini 
has a connector that is already plugged into the I/O jack.? I tried 
taking it out and using the connector I used with other radios, but that 
didn't work.? I wonder if I disconnect pin 4 from the Elecraft connector 
and instead connect my keyer output to pin 4 if that will do damage or 
disrupt the operation of the K3/0-Mini?

73,
John

On 7/22/2019 12:59 PM, Mitch Wolfson DJ0QN / K7DX wrote:
> John,
>
> You need to use the RRC's I/O port. See the RemoteRig manual pages 94,
> 95 and 242 (Appendix B) for details. This will not affect the K3/0 mini.
>
> 73,
> Mitch
>
> -- 
> Mitch Wolfson? K7DX / DJ0QN
> 10285 Boca Cir, Naples, FL 34109
> Skype: mitchwo
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> Germany: Home:+49 89 32152700 - Mobile/WhatsApp:+49 172 8374436
>
> On 22.07.2019 06:04, John Huffman wrote:
>> I'm setting up a K3/0-Mini to control my K3 remotely.? I would like to
>> use an external keyer (Logikeyer) since I don't like the timing of the
>> RemoteRig keyer. I have questions.
>>
>> Does the KEY jack on the back of the K3/0-Mini do anything?? If it
>> operates like a straight key I could send my keyer output to that jack.
>>
>> I've seen suggestions to modify the cable to the I/O jack on the
>> RemoteRig box and insert the keyer output there.? Does this interfere
>> with the other I/O functions of the K3/0-Mini?
>>
>> 73 de K1ESE
>> John
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From k6dgw at foothill.net  Mon Jul 22 16:49:00 2019
From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen)
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2019 13:49:00 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3/0 and CW
In-Reply-To: <7bb295ff-ca80-a08c-5628-48948e7e97a5@gmail.com>
References: <8b55122b-86dd-73ab-dd71-6e45cfba54d5@gmail.com>
	<05b28ec8-83e7-84bc-8cfc-f6119a2457bf@gmx.de>
	<7bb295ff-ca80-a08c-5628-48948e7e97a5@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <bbd20365-d9a9-fab2-d273-a700ff38eb86@foothill.net>

Ummm ... sometimes we tend to inflate the magnitude of a problem ... 
just try it out.? Plug a straight key [or your keyer] into the KEY jack 
on the K3/0 and see if it works.? I believe the odds are way better than 
even that it will, especially if the cable plugged into the 1258 I/O 
jack is part of the "quadrapus" cable set that Elecraft sells for 
exactly this purpose.

I do not have a K3/0, I operate W7RN remotely with my K3, and the I/O 
RJ45 on the back of my 1258 is empty, so I key using pin 4. However, 
I've coached several with K3/0's to get configured properly for W7RN and 
they plug the key, bug, or keyer into the KEY jack.

Try it out ... we're Amateurs, what could go wrong?

73,
Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

On 7/22/2019 12:47 PM, John Huffman wrote:
> Mitch -
>
> That has worked for other radios and my RemoteRig box, but the 
> K3/0-Mini has a connector that is already plugged into the I/O jack.? 
> I tried taking it out and using the connector I used with other 
> radios, but that didn't work.? I wonder if I disconnect pin 4 from the 
> Elecraft connector and instead connect my keyer output to pin 4 if 
> that will do damage or disrupt the operation of the K3/0-Mini?
>
> 73,
> John
>


From ka9zap at gmail.com  Mon Jul 22 17:58:30 2019
From: ka9zap at gmail.com (Art Nienhouse)
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2019 16:58:30 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Dummy Load recommendation
Message-ID: <960693d3-55d3-e54e-5af3-5f268207ec00@gmail.com>


From KX3.2 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com  Mon Jul 22 18:10:24 2019
From: KX3.2 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com (Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT)
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2019 15:10:24 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Dummy Load recommendation
In-Reply-To: <960693d3-55d3-e54e-5af3-5f268207ec00@gmail.com>
References: <960693d3-55d3-e54e-5af3-5f268207ec00@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <207f7e8c-70f0-1581-5aa6-898ccce29544@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com>

If you had an HTML dummy load, it'd be invisible.

Set your mail client to send E-Mail in plain text, please.

On 7/22/2019 2:58 PM, Art Nienhouse wrote:
> 
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From c-hawley at illinois.edu  Mon Jul 22 18:58:56 2019
From: c-hawley at illinois.edu (hawley, charles j jr)
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2019 22:58:56 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Dummy Load recommendation
In-Reply-To: <960693d3-55d3-e54e-5af3-5f268207ec00@gmail.com>
References: <960693d3-55d3-e54e-5af3-5f268207ec00@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B503BF4C-51EE-468D-9082-9F7597F27F52@illinois.edu>

Used Bird Attenuator is a good deal.

https://nm3e.com/AttenuatorSampler.htm

Then you?ll have a sample to plug into your counter or scope

Chuck Jack Hawley
KE9UW

Sent from my iPhone, cjack

On Jul 22, 2019, at 4:59 PM, Art Nienhouse <ka9zap at gmail.com<mailto:ka9zap at gmail.com>> wrote:


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From rdewan1 at rochester.rr.com  Mon Jul 22 18:59:04 2019
From: rdewan1 at rochester.rr.com (Rajiv Dewan)
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2019 22:59:04 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] SOLD: P3 with accessories more than half off
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Sold.  Thanks all,
Raj

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Sent: 7/21/2019 3:30:55 PM
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 with accessories more than half off

>P3 in perfect working condition
>P3TXMON transmit monitor with 2Kw HF directional coupler (or 200W VHF one)
>P3SVGA video adapter for VGA
>CBLP3Y RJ45 cable for K3s/KIO3B
>Value (1022.90 + 289.95) = 1,312.85
>For sale less than 50%  $650 plus shipping
>
>Raj, N2RD
>
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From wunder at wunderwood.org  Mon Jul 22 19:08:08 2019
From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood)
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2019 16:08:08 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Dummy Load recommendation
In-Reply-To: <B503BF4C-51EE-468D-9082-9F7597F27F52@illinois.edu>
References: <960693d3-55d3-e54e-5af3-5f268207ec00@gmail.com>
	<B503BF4C-51EE-468D-9082-9F7597F27F52@illinois.edu>
Message-ID: <D3CCC392-A967-44EF-A923-A5F084B93AA4@wunderwood.org>

If you can solder, or would like to learn, I recommend the RFL-100 kit from Oak Hills Research. Simple kit, large parts for easy soldering. It will support 100 W continuous. I used their BNC/UHF converter so it would have a BNC jack. Nice deal for $50.

http://www.ohr.com/rfl100.htm

Here are some photos from my RFL-100 build.

https://observer.wunderwood.org/2016/12/31/building-a-dummy-load/

wunder
K6WRU
Walter Underwood
CM87wj
http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog)

> On Jul 22, 2019, at 3:58 PM, hawley, charles j jr <c-hawley at illinois.edu> wrote:
> 
> Used Bird Attenuator is a good deal.
> 
> https://nm3e.com/AttenuatorSampler.htm
> 
> Then you?ll have a sample to plug into your counter or scope
> 
> Chuck Jack Hawley
> KE9UW
> 
> Sent from my iPhone, cjack
> 
> On Jul 22, 2019, at 4:59 PM, Art Nienhouse <ka9zap at gmail.com<mailto:ka9zap at gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> 
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From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Mon Jul 22 19:20:13 2019
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2019 18:20:13 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Dummy Load recommendation
In-Reply-To: <B503BF4C-51EE-468D-9082-9F7597F27F52@illinois.edu>
References: <960693d3-55d3-e54e-5af3-5f268207ec00@gmail.com>
	<B503BF4C-51EE-468D-9082-9F7597F27F52@illinois.edu>
Message-ID: <10E7E9D7-5C8C-412D-88DC-DAF714EF89D8@blomand.net>

I agree that Bird dummy loads are some of the best.  Be sure to get one rated for at least your maximum power anticipated.  And do allow a margin of safety. I use 2x, thus for 100 watts I use a 250 watt rated load. 

I purchase all of my power measurement equipment from NM3E.COM.  

Bob, K4TAX


Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 22, 2019, at 5:58 PM, hawley, charles j jr <c-hawley at illinois.edu> wrote:
> 
> Used Bird Attenuator is a good deal.
> 
> https://nm3e.com/AttenuatorSampler.htm
> 
> Then you?ll have a sample to plug into your counter or scope
> 
> Chuck Jack Hawley
> KE9UW
> 
> Sent from my iPhone, cjack
> 
> On Jul 22, 2019, at 4:59 PM, Art Nienhouse <ka9zap at gmail.com<mailto:ka9zap at gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> 
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From kengkopp at gmail.com  Mon Jul 22 19:16:54 2019
From: kengkopp at gmail.com (Ken G Kopp)
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2019 17:16:54 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft]  Dummy Load recommendation
In-Reply-To: <D3CCC392-A967-44EF-A923-A5F084B93AA4@wunderwood.org>
References: <960693d3-55d3-e54e-5af3-5f268207ec00@gmail.com>
	<B503BF4C-51EE-468D-9082-9F7597F27F52@illinois.edu>
	<D3CCC392-A967-44EF-A923-A5F084B93AA4@wunderwood.org>
Message-ID: <CAD4CdTOch5nBC77Fxy2h_jwYk=1ffPeJpDARk2ni9rGPPD-3Pw@mail.gmail.com>

I'll second this recommendation ...

73!

Ken Kopp - K0PP

On Mon, Jul 22, 2019, 17:08 Walter Underwood <wunder at wunderwood.org> wrote:

> If you can solder, or would like to learn, I recommend the RFL-100 kit
> from Oak Hills Research. Simple kit, large parts for easy soldering. It
> will support 100 W continuous. I used their BNC/UHF converter so it would
> have a BNC jack. Nice deal for $50.
>
> http://www.ohr.com/rfl100.htm
>
> Here are some photos from my RFL-100 build.
>
> https://observer.wunderwood.org/2016/12/31/building-a-dummy-load/
>
> wunder
> K6WRU
> Walter Underwood
> CM87wj
> http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog)
>
> > On Jul 22, 2019, at 3:58 PM, hawley, charles j jr <c-hawley at illinois.edu>
> wrote:
> >
> > Used Bird Attenuator is a good deal.
> >
> > https://nm3e.com/AttenuatorSampler.htm
> >
> > Then you?ll have a sample to plug into your counter or scope
> >
> > Chuck Jack Hawley
> > KE9UW
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone, cjack
> >
> > On Jul 22, 2019, at 4:59 PM, Art Nienhouse <ka9zap at gmail.com<mailto:
> ka9zap at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> >
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From ka9zap at gmail.com  Mon Jul 22 19:27:19 2019
From: ka9zap at gmail.com (Art Nienhouse)
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2019 18:27:19 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA 1500 dummy load recommendations
Message-ID: <f997b81e-e8aa-2c42-f738-5659a85d42e7@gmail.com>


From no9e at arrl.net  Mon Jul 22 20:43:03 2019
From: no9e at arrl.net (Ignacy)
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2019 17:43:03 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA 1500 dummy load recommendations
In-Reply-To: <f997b81e-e8aa-2c42-f738-5659a85d42e7@gmail.com>
References: <f997b81e-e8aa-2c42-f738-5659a85d42e7@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1563842583545-0.post@n2.nabble.com>

I have MFJ-264 and MFJ-250. Both work. Aside from experiments , both are
gathering dust as there is little purpose of using dummy loads for
solid-state amps. 
Ignacy, NO9E



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From dick at elecraft.com  Mon Jul 22 20:57:33 2019
From: dick at elecraft.com (Dick Dievendorff)
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2019 17:57:33 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 beta firmware 02.27 is now available
References: <002201d540ad$a64e3200$f2ea9600$@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <CFB47B03-0F48-457B-A9D7-23DB7D121DFB@elecraft.com>

We?ve updated KPA1500 beta firmware to version 2.27.  Recent changes since our last production version 2.17 include:
 
?         Reduce band line change detect period to avoid missing Xcvr frequency messages
?      Defer startup PA inline to reduce chance of input power fault when K3 and amp are started together and keyed before K3 receives amp OPER
?         ATU HiSWR retune on same frequency was unnecessarily constrained
?      Reset time-to-fault on overdrive events whenever PA is bypassed, changes some PA current faults on band/antenna switch from hard to soft faults
?      Add watchdog timer to TCP & UDP operations
?      Fix WDT reset and occasional hang during power off
?      Send ^ON0; during shutdown to USB Host & TCP client for KPA1500 Remote
 
KPA1500 Beta firmware is available from our web site,  https://elecraft.com/pages/firmware-software
Choose K-Line Firmware & Software, then KPA1500 Firmware and Utility.
Beta firmware installation instructions are near the bottom of that page.
 
73 de Dick, K6KR


From donanddeena at hotmail.com  Mon Jul 22 21:21:09 2019
From: donanddeena at hotmail.com (Don Schroder)
Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2019 01:21:09 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA 1500 dummy load recommendations
In-Reply-To: <1563842583545-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <f997b81e-e8aa-2c42-f738-5659a85d42e7@gmail.com>
	<1563842583545-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <DM6PR02MB642718267B92D07E914FB6BFAAC70@DM6PR02MB6427.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>

I also have a MFJ-264. I figured if I need a dummy load, go with one that will handle the most watts I will ever need.
I don?t have much room, the MFJ-264 id s 1.5KW dry dummy load for 1-650MHz. A little smaller than a carton of cigs.
Haven?t used it yet.

Don, KE0PVQ

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From: Ignacy<mailto:no9e at arrl.net>
Sent: Monday, July 22, 2019 7:43 PM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net<mailto:elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA 1500 dummy load recommendations

I have MFJ-264 and MFJ-250. Both work. Aside from experiments , both are
gathering dust as there is little purpose of using dummy loads for
solid-state amps.
Ignacy, NO9E



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From jim at n7us.net  Mon Jul 22 22:57:29 2019
From: jim at n7us.net (Jim N7US)
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2019 21:57:29 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 soundcard/CODEC
Message-ID: <002201d54102$5e3a3270$1aae9750$@n7us.net>

I apologize if this has been asked before.

 

Is the soundcard/CODEC in the K4 the same as in the K3S?

 

Jim N7US

 


From kkinderen at gmail.com  Tue Jul 23 00:28:08 2019
From: kkinderen at gmail.com (Kevin, N4TT)
Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2019 00:28:08 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Not Zeroed
Message-ID: <CAFA9ujtZKO6t3KWXOvYWJx+4CdK+Rp5G3ymbqh61wtyj8LHF9w@mail.gmail.com>

I noticed my P3 doesn't seem to be zeroed with the K3s. When I tune in a CW
signal with a 600 Hz pitch the P3 is off by 71 Hz. Not much but, I
expected  - zero.

In AM - WWV at 5 MHz the P3 seems spot on.

73,
Kev N4TT

From lenecee at ca.rr.com  Tue Jul 23 01:24:31 2019
From: lenecee at ca.rr.com (Len)
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2019 22:24:31 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 SWR issue
Message-ID: <4B79E088-69FD-47D4-87DD-4A4685C62A75@ca.rr.com>

Curious if anyone on the reflector has experienced false SWR readings on their KX3?  No antenna tuner is installed.  Radio tested on a dependable dummy load and SWR/Power meter.  On transmit at 5.8 W or less, the radio displays "full-scale" SWR reading (> 1.4-1) with power output consistent with radio power setting.  At 6w and above, display jumps down to 0 SWR and 0 RF output even though the radio is still able to transmit.
Receiver functions perfectly.

I have initiated an EENT, and re-loded latest software from Elecraft site. I loaded the original factory configuration provided to me by Elecraft.  If anyone has any further suggestions that I might consider before I send the unit back to Elecraft for evaluation, I would be very grateful.  Tnx and 73
Len, K6LEN

From frantz at pwpconsult.com  Tue Jul 23 03:15:57 2019
From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz)
Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2019 00:15:57 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Feature Request: Shifting VFO
In-Reply-To: <CAFA9ujtmsbFZ4y8sTwDf1KA0R3sxEnYEsnpAHmuxjp0DT1ktDA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <r480Ps-10146i-F2F9FA30417C43D9963CCC4EA9413625@Williams-MacBook-Pro.local>

I think the P3 center mode has this feature.

73 Bill AE6JV

On 7/20/19 at 10:38 AM, kkinderen at gmail.com (Kevin, N4TT) wrote:

> Consider one of the settings for your computer mouse is shifting
> resolution. This allows you to move the mouse real fast to get from one end
> of three monitors to the other. And then, when you slow down, the mouse
> goes into micro-resolution mode and you can be very precise in your
> movements. This may be a Logitech feature.
> 
> I was thinking the same concept could be used for the VFO. I'm familiar
> with the Fine/Course and RATE buttons but I was thinking (danger Will
> Robinson) that it would be nice to quickly shift to the next RTTY signal
> and then automatically switch to the FINE selection based on how fast you
> turn the VFO.
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From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Tue Jul 23 03:55:19 2019
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2019 00:55:19 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Not Zeroed
In-Reply-To: <CAFA9ujtZKO6t3KWXOvYWJx+4CdK+Rp5G3ymbqh61wtyj8LHF9w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFA9ujtZKO6t3KWXOvYWJx+4CdK+Rp5G3ymbqh61wtyj8LHF9w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <801ba8de-1155-0e6f-aedd-99fb58380be1@audiosystemsgroup.com>

It's been a while since I looked at the manuals for my K3 and P3, but I 
do recall that there are calibration procedures for both.

73, Jim K9YC

On 7/22/2019 9:28 PM, Kevin, N4TT wrote:
> I noticed my P3 doesn't seem to be zeroed with the K3s. When I tune in a CW
> signal with a 600 Hz pitch the P3 is off by 71 Hz. Not much but, I
> expected  - zero.
>
> In AM - WWV at 5 MHz the P3 seems spot on.



From d.cutter at ntlworld.com  Tue Jul 23 06:43:34 2019
From: d.cutter at ntlworld.com (CUTTER DAVID)
Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2019 11:43:34 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [Elecraft] Dummy Load recommendation
In-Reply-To: <B503BF4C-51EE-468D-9082-9F7597F27F52@illinois.edu>
References: <960693d3-55d3-e54e-5af3-5f268207ec00@gmail.com>
	<B503BF4C-51EE-468D-9082-9F7597F27F52@illinois.edu>
Message-ID: <382071120.1505292.1563878614541@mail2.virginmedia.com>

I often wonder just how useful a precision dummy load really is in the amateur service.  I picked up home brew dummy load at the club the other day.  It measured 57ohms dc and comprises 4 wire-wound resistors attached in a cluster across the end of the coax.  After lots of disparaging remarks I put it on the VNA and it didn't look at all bad out to 30MHz: nothing over 1.5:1 and no spikes or dips to indicate resonances. I'll have to do it again and make a print-out for posterity. 
I've heard that salt water in a bucket works after a fashion.  
So the question is: how good do you need it to be?
David G3UNA 


> On 22 July 2019 at 23:58 "hawley, charles j jr" <c-hawley at illinois.edu> wrote:
> 
> 
> Used Bird Attenuator is a good deal.
> 
> https://nm3e.com/AttenuatorSampler.htm
> 
> Then you?ll have a sample to plug into your counter or scope
> 
> Chuck Jack Hawley
> KE9UW
>

From billamader at gmail.com  Tue Jul 23 09:31:23 2019
From: billamader at gmail.com (K8TE)
Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2019 06:31:23 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] Windows update clobbered me
In-Reply-To: <2141454030.272857.1563820374884@webmail.networksolutionsemail.com>
References: <4df42b14-9cd0-6e91-249a-028b15a2f4cb@gmail.com>
	<3b5dbbf9-63cc-ef49-a04f-cde936528931@blomand.net>
	<2141454030.272857.1563820374884@webmail.networksolutionsemail.com>
Message-ID: <1563888683612-0.post@n2.nabble.com>

Actually Phil, I configure CCleaner to not delete my Chrome cookies.  There
are lots of options in CCleaner worth exploring to make it more effective
and less intrusive.

If we use a computer in our shacks, it pays to know it and the operating
system as best we can.  It's just a tool like a fine soldering station. 
Often, both aren't used to their full capabilities.  For example, Windows
(and many of its applications like Chrome browser, MS Office, Loggers) has a
large number of keyboard shortcuts.  I'm a big fan of those since they allow
me to keep my fingers on the home keys, a big plus in contesting or running
stations for a Special Event Station (SES).

73, Bill, K8TE



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From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Tue Jul 23 09:38:00 2019
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2019 08:38:00 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Dummy Load recommendation
In-Reply-To: <382071120.1505292.1563878614541@mail2.virginmedia.com>
References: <960693d3-55d3-e54e-5af3-5f268207ec00@gmail.com>
	<B503BF4C-51EE-468D-9082-9F7597F27F52@illinois.edu>
	<382071120.1505292.1563878614541@mail2.virginmedia.com>
Message-ID: <96963153-d07e-8511-681c-e6c89237a020@blomand.net>

Since power meter systems are calibrated at a known impedance {usually 
50 ohms}, and they are voltage sensing devices, any deviation from the 
calibration value will introduce an error in power indication.? It just 
depends on how precise one prefers to be with power measurements.

100 watts into 50 ohms is 70.71 volts

100 watts into 55 ohms is 74.16 volts

100 watts into 45 ohms is 67.08 volts

73

Bob, K4TAX


On 7/23/2019 5:43 AM, CUTTER DAVID via Elecraft wrote:
> I often wonder just how useful a precision dummy load really is in the amateur service.  I picked up home brew dummy load at the club the other day.  It measured 57ohms dc and comprises 4 wire-wound resistors attached in a cluster across the end of the coax.  After lots of disparaging remarks I put it on the VNA and it didn't look at all bad out to 30MHz: nothing over 1.5:1 and no spikes or dips to indicate resonances. I'll have to do it again and make a print-out for posterity.
> I've heard that salt water in a bucket works after a fashion.
> So the question is: how good do you need it to be?
> David G3UNA
>
>
>> On 22 July 2019 at 23:58 "hawley, charles j jr" <c-hawley at illinois.edu> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Used Bird Attenuator is a good deal.
>>
>> https://nm3e.com/AttenuatorSampler.htm
>>
>> Then you?ll have a sample to plug into your counter or scope
>>
>> Chuck Jack Hawley
>> KE9UW
>>
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From wb4ooa at gmail.com  Tue Jul 23 10:12:41 2019
From: wb4ooa at gmail.com (Ron Durie)
Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2019 10:12:41 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Dummy Load recommendation
Message-ID: <001001d54160$b10c3210$13249630$@gmail.com>

Very well stated, Bob.  
I like precision loads especially for calibrations and repairs.  
I am surprised at how many Hams that do not even own a Load; let alone a
good one.  
A good Load is one of the most important troubleshooting aids in the Ham
Shack.  73's 

Ron Durie
WB4OOA
Elecraft K-Line




From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Tue Jul 23 11:05:49 2019
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2019 11:05:49 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Dummy Load recommendation
In-Reply-To: <382071120.1505292.1563878614541@mail2.virginmedia.com>
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David,

If your use of the dummy load is only to provide a load to the 
transmitter for things like a quick "does it work" check, then precision 
is not necessary.  Anything that presents an SWR of 1.5 or less would be 
adequate.

OTOH, if you want to do things like the TX Gain Calibration of the K3 or 
KX2/3, or do measurements with a 'scope (or other measuring device) 
across the dummy load, then better precision is required if one expects 
the results to be meaningful and accurate.

In other words, if your expectation of measurement accuracy is a range 
of +/-50%, then using a load with a 1.5 SWR is acceptable.  If your 
expectation requires an error of less than 10%, then more precision is 
required.  That goes for not only dummy loads, but any other measurement 
instrument.

Parallel non-reactive resistors in a can of mineral oil can be used 
effectively up to 200 watts in a quart can, while up to the legal limit 
can be obtained in a gallon can of oil (Heathkit Cantenna style).  Those 
can be easily homebrewed and the amount of precision depends on the 
resistors used and the care with construction.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 7/23/2019 6:43 AM, CUTTER DAVID via Elecraft wrote:
> I often wonder just how useful a precision dummy load really is in the amateur service.  I picked up home brew dummy load at the club the other day.  It measured 57ohms dc and comprises 4 wire-wound resistors attached in a cluster across the end of the coax.  After lots of disparaging remarks I put it on the VNA and it didn't look at all bad out to 30MHz: nothing over 1.5:1 and no spikes or dips to indicate resonances. I'll have to do it again and make a print-out for posterity.

From W2xj at w2xj.net  Tue Jul 23 11:07:06 2019
From: W2xj at w2xj.net (W2xj)
Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2019 11:07:06 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Dummy Load recommendation
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If you really want precision, use a water cooled load. Measure the flow rate and input and output temperature. You can precisely calculate power. 

Sent from my iPad

> On Jul 23, 2019, at 9:38 AM, Bob McGraw K4TAX <rmcgraw at blomand.net> wrote:
> 
> Since power meter systems are calibrated at a known impedance {usually 50 ohms}, and they are voltage sensing devices, any deviation from the calibration value will introduce an error in power indication.  It just depends on how precise one prefers to be with power measurements.
> 
> 100 watts into 50 ohms is 70.71 volts
> 
> 100 watts into 55 ohms is 74.16 volts
> 
> 100 watts into 45 ohms is 67.08 volts
> 
> 73
> 
> Bob, K4TAX
> 
> 
>> On 7/23/2019 5:43 AM, CUTTER DAVID via Elecraft wrote:
>> I often wonder just how useful a precision dummy load really is in the amateur service.  I picked up home brew dummy load at the club the other day.  It measured 57ohms dc and comprises 4 wire-wound resistors attached in a cluster across the end of the coax.  After lots of disparaging remarks I put it on the VNA and it didn't look at all bad out to 30MHz: nothing over 1.5:1 and no spikes or dips to indicate resonances. I'll have to do it again and make a print-out for posterity.
>> I've heard that salt water in a bucket works after a fashion.
>> So the question is: how good do you need it to be?
>> David G3UNA
>> 
>> 
>>> On 22 July 2019 at 23:58 "hawley, charles j jr" <c-hawley at illinois.edu> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Used Bird Attenuator is a good deal.
>>> 
>>> https://nm3e.com/AttenuatorSampler.htm
>>> 
>>> Then you?ll have a sample to plug into your counter or scope
>>> 
>>> Chuck Jack Hawley
>>> KE9UW
>>> 
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From nr4c at widomaker.com  Tue Jul 23 11:09:07 2019
From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c)
Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2019 11:09:07 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 soundcard/CODEC
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Probably not. There is 4 to 5 years between radios and I expect some advancement in this technology. 

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill


> On Jul 22, 2019, at 10:57 PM, Jim N7US <jim at n7us.net> wrote:
> 
> I apologize if this has been asked before.
> 
> 
> 
> Is the soundcard/CODEC in the K4 the same as in the K3S?
> 
> 
> 
> Jim N7US
> 
> 
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From kkinderen at gmail.com  Tue Jul 23 10:54:16 2019
From: kkinderen at gmail.com (Kevin, N4TT)
Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2019 10:54:16 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Not Zeroed
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Hi Jim:

I thought I had the right adjustment on the P3 but it seems global. I can't
figure out why WWV can be spot on and then another signal off. I can't even
be sure if it is the radio or the P3 (or me) at this point. I'll keep
digging.

Kev



On Tue, Jul 23, 2019 at 3:57 AM Jim Brown <jim at audiosystemsgroup.com> wrote:

> It's been a while since I looked at the manuals for my K3 and P3, but I
> do recall that there are calibration procedures for both.
>
> 73, Jim K9YC
>
> On 7/22/2019 9:28 PM, Kevin, N4TT wrote:
> > I noticed my P3 doesn't seem to be zeroed with the K3s. When I tune in a
> CW
> > signal with a 600 Hz pitch the P3 is off by 71 Hz. Not much but, I
> > expected  - zero.
> >
> > In AM - WWV at 5 MHz the P3 seems spot on.
>
>
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From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Tue Jul 23 11:16:27 2019
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2019 10:16:27 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Dummy Load recommendation
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Yes a calorimeter is the better way to measure power.   Not inexpensive however. 

Bob, K4TAX


Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 23, 2019, at 10:07 AM, W2xj <W2xj at w2xj.net> wrote:
> 
> If you really want precision, use a water cooled load. Measure the flow rate and input and output temperature. You can precisely calculate power. 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Jul 23, 2019, at 9:38 AM, Bob McGraw K4TAX <rmcgraw at blomand.net> wrote:
>> 
>> Since power meter systems are calibrated at a known impedance {usually 50 ohms}, and they are voltage sensing devices, any deviation from the calibration value will introduce an error in power indication.  It just depends on how precise one prefers to be with power measurements.
>> 
>> 100 watts into 50 ohms is 70.71 volts
>> 
>> 100 watts into 55 ohms is 74.16 volts
>> 
>> 100 watts into 45 ohms is 67.08 volts
>> 
>> 73
>> 
>> Bob, K4TAX
>> 
>> 
>>> On 7/23/2019 5:43 AM, CUTTER DAVID via Elecraft wrote:
>>> I often wonder just how useful a precision dummy load really is in the amateur service.  I picked up home brew dummy load at the club the other day.  It measured 57ohms dc and comprises 4 wire-wound resistors attached in a cluster across the end of the coax.  After lots of disparaging remarks I put it on the VNA and it didn't look at all bad out to 30MHz: nothing over 1.5:1 and no spikes or dips to indicate resonances. I'll have to do it again and make a print-out for posterity.
>>> I've heard that salt water in a bucket works after a fashion.
>>> So the question is: how good do you need it to be?
>>> David G3UNA
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 22 July 2019 at 23:58 "hawley, charles j jr" <c-hawley at illinois.edu> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Used Bird Attenuator is a good deal.
>>>> 
>>>> https://nm3e.com/AttenuatorSampler.htm
>>>> 
>>>> Then you?ll have a sample to plug into your counter or scope
>>>> 
>>>> Chuck Jack Hawley
>>>> KE9UW
>>>> 
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From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Tue Jul 23 11:20:31 2019
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2019 10:20:31 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Not Zeroed
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First make sure the radio is correct on all WWV frequencies.   I use CW mode and Auto Spot.  That will get to within 2 Hz or better. Adjust the Ref freq to calibrate. 

Then you can calibrate the P3 to the radio. 

No tuning or listening for zero beat required. 

Bob, K4TAX


Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 23, 2019, at 9:54 AM, Kevin, N4TT <kkinderen at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Jim:
> 
> I thought I had the right adjustment on the P3 but it seems global. I can't
> figure out why WWV can be spot on and then another signal off. I can't even
> be sure if it is the radio or the P3 (or me) at this point. I'll keep
> digging.
> 
> Kev
> 
> 
> 
>> On Tue, Jul 23, 2019 at 3:57 AM Jim Brown <jim at audiosystemsgroup.com> wrote:
>> 
>> It's been a while since I looked at the manuals for my K3 and P3, but I
>> do recall that there are calibration procedures for both.
>> 
>> 73, Jim K9YC
>> 
>>> On 7/22/2019 9:28 PM, Kevin, N4TT wrote:
>>> I noticed my P3 doesn't seem to be zeroed with the K3s. When I tune in a
>> CW
>>> signal with a 600 Hz pitch the P3 is off by 71 Hz. Not much but, I
>>> expected  - zero.
>>> 
>>> In AM - WWV at 5 MHz the P3 seems spot on.
>> 
>> 
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From W2xj at w2xj.net  Tue Jul 23 11:29:02 2019
From: W2xj at w2xj.net (W2xj)
Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2019 11:29:02 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Dummy Load recommendation
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It doesn?t have to be that expensive. I have built several. DIY is as good as buying the finished product. 

Sent from my iPad

> On Jul 23, 2019, at 11:16 AM, Bob McGraw K4TAX <rmcgraw at blomand.net> wrote:
> 
> Yes a calorimeter is the better way to measure power.   Not inexpensive however. 
> 
> Bob, K4TAX
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jul 23, 2019, at 10:07 AM, W2xj <W2xj at w2xj.net> wrote:
>> 
>> If you really want precision, use a water cooled load. Measure the flow rate and input and output temperature. You can precisely calculate power. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>> On Jul 23, 2019, at 9:38 AM, Bob McGraw K4TAX <rmcgraw at blomand.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Since power meter systems are calibrated at a known impedance {usually 50 ohms}, and they are voltage sensing devices, any deviation from the calibration value will introduce an error in power indication.  It just depends on how precise one prefers to be with power measurements.
>>> 
>>> 100 watts into 50 ohms is 70.71 volts
>>> 
>>> 100 watts into 55 ohms is 74.16 volts
>>> 
>>> 100 watts into 45 ohms is 67.08 volts
>>> 
>>> 73
>>> 
>>> Bob, K4TAX
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 7/23/2019 5:43 AM, CUTTER DAVID via Elecraft wrote:
>>>> I often wonder just how useful a precision dummy load really is in the amateur service.  I picked up home brew dummy load at the club the other day.  It measured 57ohms dc and comprises 4 wire-wound resistors attached in a cluster across the end of the coax.  After lots of disparaging remarks I put it on the VNA and it didn't look at all bad out to 30MHz: nothing over 1.5:1 and no spikes or dips to indicate resonances. I'll have to do it again and make a print-out for posterity.
>>>> I've heard that salt water in a bucket works after a fashion.
>>>> So the question is: how good do you need it to be?
>>>> David G3UNA
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On 22 July 2019 at 23:58 "hawley, charles j jr" <c-hawley at illinois.edu> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Used Bird Attenuator is a good deal.
>>>>> 
>>>>> https://nm3e.com/AttenuatorSampler.htm
>>>>> 
>>>>> Then you?ll have a sample to plug into your counter or scope
>>>>> 
>>>>> Chuck Jack Hawley
>>>>> KE9UW
>>>>> 
>>>> ______________________________________________________________
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From richarddnnr2 at gmail.com  Tue Jul 23 11:35:16 2019
From: richarddnnr2 at gmail.com (Richard Donner)
Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2019 08:35:16 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] equalizer on k4
Message-ID: <CAMRhQ7JZeTNc=t3aLvLoS7ZLqDrRBFqzGJu2Ce9g7AjZYd4iog@mail.gmail.com>

Does anyone know if the equalizer on the K4  is going to be  adjustable
real time so that you can listen to a station and adjust the equalizer as
you listen to the station.
 Richard

From d.cutter at ntlworld.com  Tue Jul 23 11:38:16 2019
From: d.cutter at ntlworld.com (CUTTER DAVID)
Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2019 16:38:16 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [Elecraft] Dummy Load recommendation
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I agree with all that has been said and suspect a lot of responders on this list are or were engineers who are used to using precision equipment.  I think it can be misleading to look at some instruments built into a transceiver for instance, but it never seemed to matter, until Elecraft came along.  I did my calibration with a Bird power meter and a Bird 500W load but I have no idea when they were last calibrated, so, what value do I put on the measurements?  Well, it's good enough for me. But calibration is a special case and I'd never heard of amateurs calibrating for power before Elecraft.  Accurate power meters are costly to buy and maintain if you are in business, but for me now I'm retired it doesn't matter so much because I'm not doing it for a paying customer.  I think we are misled by the easy precision of the digital multimeter which for a few ? or $ is ten times as good as what we previously thought were good analogue instruments.  In short, I think technology can cause us to bite our finger nails unnecessarily.  10% or 20% power error is hardly noticeable to the guy on the other side of the world.  

David G3UNA


> On 23 July 2019 at 16:16 Bob McGraw K4TAX <rmcgraw at blomand.net> wrote:
> 
> 
> Yes a calorimeter is the better way to measure power.   Not inexpensive however. 
> 
> Bob, K4TAX
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> > On Jul 23, 2019, at 10:07 AM, W2xj <W2xj at w2xj.net> wrote:
> > 
> > If you really want precision, use a water cooled load. Measure the flow rate and input and output temperature. You can precisely calculate power. 
> > 
> > Sent from my iPad
> > 
> >> On Jul 23, 2019, at 9:38 AM, Bob McGraw K4TAX <rmcgraw at blomand.net> wrote:
> >> 
> >> Since power meter systems are calibrated at a known impedance {usually 50 ohms}, and they are voltage sensing devices, any deviation from the calibration value will introduce an error in power indication.  It just depends on how precise one prefers to be with power measurements.
> >> 
> >> 100 watts into 50 ohms is 70.71 volts
> >> 
> >> 100 watts into 55 ohms is 74.16 volts
> >> 
> >> 100 watts into 45 ohms is 67.08 volts
> >> 
> >> 73
> >> 
> >> Bob, K4TAX
> >> 
> >> 
> >>> On 7/23/2019 5:43 AM, CUTTER DAVID via Elecraft wrote:
> >>> I often wonder just how useful a precision dummy load really is in the amateur service.  I picked up home brew dummy load at the club the other day.  It measured 57ohms dc and comprises 4 wire-wound resistors attached in a cluster across the end of the coax.  After lots of disparaging remarks I put it on the VNA and it didn't look at all bad out to 30MHz: nothing over 1.5:1 and no spikes or dips to indicate resonances. I'll have to do it again and make a print-out for posterity.
> >>> I've heard that salt water in a bucket works after a fashion.
> >>> So the question is: how good do you need it to be?
> >>> David G3UNA
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>>> On 22 July 2019 at 23:58 "hawley, charles j jr" <c-hawley at illinois.edu> wrote:
> >>>> 
> >>>> 
> >>>> Used Bird Attenuator is a good deal.
> >>>> 
> >>>> https://nm3e.com/AttenuatorSampler.htm
> >>>> 
> >>>> Then you?ll have a sample to plug into your counter or scope
> >>>> 
> >>>> Chuck Jack Hawley
> >>>> KE9UW
> >>>> 
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From pincon at erols.com  Sat Jul 20 17:19:07 2019
From: pincon at erols.com (Charlie T)
Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2019 17:19:07 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Feature Request: Shifting VFO
In-Reply-To: <f9fc7a93-71c3-c083-a465-89445e72ba58@embarqmail.com>
References: <CAFA9ujtmsbFZ4y8sTwDf1KA0R3sxEnYEsnpAHmuxjp0DT1ktDA@mail.gmail.com>
	<f9fc7a93-71c3-c083-a465-89445e72ba58@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <005701d53f40$c75c7600$56156200$@erols.com>

I used to like that feature with the Icom's, but touch-screens make it
redundant now.

73, Charlie k3ICH




-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On
Behalf Of Don Wilhelm
Sent: Saturday, July 20, 2019 1:48 PM
To: Kevin, N4TT <kkinderen at gmail.com>; Elecraft Reflector Reflector
<elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Feature Request: Shifting VFO

Kev and all,

No vote on that dynamic VFO tuning for me.  It would only be suitable for me
if I could turn it off.
I have used a couple transceivers that had that type of tuning and it drove
me nuts.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 7/20/2019 1:38 PM, Kevin, N4TT wrote:
> Consider one of the settings for your computer mouse is shifting 
> resolution. This allows you to move the mouse real fast to get from 
> one end of three monitors to the other. And then, when you slow down, 
> the mouse goes into micro-resolution mode and you can be very precise 
> in your movements. This may be a Logitech feature.
> 
> I was thinking the same concept could be used for the VFO. I'm 
> familiar with the Fine/Course and RATE buttons but I was thinking 
> (danger Will
> Robinson) that it would be nice to quickly shift to the next RTTY 
> signal and then automatically switch to the FINE selection based on 
> how fast you turn the VFO.
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From pincon at erols.com  Tue Jul 23 09:33:22 2019
From: pincon at erols.com (Charlie T)
Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2019 09:33:22 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Dummy Load recommendation
In-Reply-To: <382071120.1505292.1563878614541@mail2.virginmedia.com>
References: <960693d3-55d3-e54e-5af3-5f268207ec00@gmail.com>	<B503BF4C-51EE-468D-9082-9F7597F27F52@illinois.edu>
	<382071120.1505292.1563878614541@mail2.virginmedia.com>
Message-ID: <001c01d5415b$36e95b70$a4bc1250$@erols.com>

The secret to using wire-wound resistors for a 50? load is to use a lot of them in parallel as the inductance divides just as the value does for the number of resistors.
Of course, this is only reasonable if you already have a pawful to start with.  Otherwise, RF rated, big 50? non-inductive resistors are available from many sources.
I had a lot of 1200 ?, 10 watt (light blue??) wire-wound resistors, so 24 of them between two pieces of G-10 made a decent HF dummy load with a good safety factor at 100 watts.

Another handy load, is one that will show 2:1 (100?) or 3:1 (150?) SWR.  It wouldn't have to take much power as you'd only be using it to check an SWR readout, etc.
I made a few out of a couple 2W resistors. They'll take reasonable power for a very short  (? second??) check time.

73, Charlie k3ICH



-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On Behalf Of CUTTER DAVID via Elecraft
Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2019 6:44 AM
To: hawley, charles j jr <c-hawley at illinois.edu>; Art Nienhouse <ka9zap at gmail.com>
Cc: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Dummy Load recommendation)

I often wonder just how useful a precision dummy load really is in the amateur service.  I picked up home brew dummy load at the club the other day.  It measured 57ohms dc and comprises 4 wire-wound resistors attached in a cluster across the end of the coax.  After lots of disparaging remarks I put it on the VNA and it didn't look at all bad out to 30MHz: nothing over 1.5:1 and no spikes or dips to indicate resonances. I'll have to do it again and make a print-out for posterity. 
I've heard that salt water in a bucket works after a fashion.  
So the question is: how good do you need it to be?
David G3UNA 

 


From w7hsg at comcast.net  Tue Jul 23 11:39:35 2019
From: w7hsg at comcast.net (RALPH TURK)
Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2019 09:39:35 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 SDR version
Message-ID: <1576460682.107227.1563896375526@connect.xfinity.com>


From rich at wc3t.us  Tue Jul 23 11:53:14 2019
From: rich at wc3t.us (rich hurd WC3T)
Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2019 11:53:14 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 SDR version
In-Reply-To: <1576460682.107227.1563896375526@connect.xfinity.com>
References: <1576460682.107227.1563896375526@connect.xfinity.com>
Message-ID: <CABYU7WjbtVbH71rnRU3hV21SYnPbnKcsmRTNSUj1LK3O9=P+wQ@mail.gmail.com>

[SLIGHTLY OFF TOPIC WARNING]

This is not the first time I've seen an email with zero content, just a
clause as a subject.  And this is not the first venue I've seen it on.

Is this a thing?    I have no idea what the original poster is going on
about.  There's absolutely nothing you can infer from this subject line.

I know, I could just hit "delete" or spin the dial and I'll end up doing
that.  But come on folks.  Spend some time crafting an email that is
readable and understandable and you'll get better answers.  And people will
definitely get a better impression of your ability to form a sentence in
the King's English.

Rant over.


On Tue, Jul 23, 2019 at 11:39 AM RALPH TURK <w7hsg at comcast.net> wrote:

>
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-- 
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Latitude: 40.761621 Longitude: -75.288988  (40?45.68' N 75?17.33' W) Grid:
*FN20is*

From rocketnj at gmail.com  Tue Jul 23 11:58:03 2019
From: rocketnj at gmail.com (Dave)
Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2019 11:58:03 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 SDR version
In-Reply-To: <CABYU7WjbtVbH71rnRU3hV21SYnPbnKcsmRTNSUj1LK3O9=P+wQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1576460682.107227.1563896375526@connect.xfinity.com>
	<CABYU7WjbtVbH71rnRU3hV21SYnPbnKcsmRTNSUj1LK3O9=P+wQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4962C233-93B3-4673-926B-2BACA9C5DA91@gmail.com>

I think it is when the original poster?s email client is posting as HTML content. 

Dave wo2x

Sent from my waxed string and tin cans. 

> On Jul 23, 2019, at 11:53 AM, rich hurd WC3T <rich at wc3t.us> wrote:
> 
> [SLIGHTLY OFF TOPIC WARNING]
> 
> This is not the first time I've seen an email with zero content, just a
> clause as a subject.  And this is not the first venue I've seen it on.
> 
> Is this a thing?    I have no idea what the original poster is going on
> about.  There's absolutely nothing you can infer from this subject line.
> 
> I know, I could just hit "delete" or spin the dial and I'll end up doing
> that.  But come on folks.  Spend some time crafting an email that is
> readable and understandable and you'll get better answers.  And people will
> definitely get a better impression of your ability to form a sentence in
> the King's English.
> 
> Rant over.
> 
> 
>> On Tue, Jul 23, 2019 at 11:39 AM RALPH TURK <w7hsg at comcast.net> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> ______________________________________________________________
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From ghyoungman at gmail.com  Tue Jul 23 11:58:16 2019
From: ghyoungman at gmail.com (Grant Youngman)
Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2019 11:58:16 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 SDR version
In-Reply-To: <CABYU7WjbtVbH71rnRU3hV21SYnPbnKcsmRTNSUj1LK3O9=P+wQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1576460682.107227.1563896375526@connect.xfinity.com>
	<CABYU7WjbtVbH71rnRU3hV21SYnPbnKcsmRTNSUj1LK3O9=P+wQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <46632031-C1B0-47FA-ACC6-E8860192E1CE@gmail.com>

Probably HTML.  Or maybe RTF (don?t know if RTF makes it through or not)

Grant NQ5T
K3 #2091 KX3 #8342

> 
> This is not the first time I've seen an email with zero content, just a
> clause as a subject.  And this is not the first venue I've seen it on.
> 


From rich at wc3t.us  Tue Jul 23 12:03:35 2019
From: rich at wc3t.us (rich hurd WC3T)
Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2019 12:03:35 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 SDR version
In-Reply-To: <46632031-C1B0-47FA-ACC6-E8860192E1CE@gmail.com>
References: <1576460682.107227.1563896375526@connect.xfinity.com>
	<CABYU7WjbtVbH71rnRU3hV21SYnPbnKcsmRTNSUj1LK3O9=P+wQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<46632031-C1B0-47FA-ACC6-E8860192E1CE@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CABYU7WjNiLue5e33JNZv_omQ=ELjDm66wTwqW2Rmb2YvizN3Jg@mail.gmail.com>

I've seen it on places like Facebook also.  I hope it's technical and not
stylistic.

On Tue, Jul 23, 2019 at 11:58 AM Grant Youngman <ghyoungman at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Probably HTML.  Or maybe RTF (don?t know if RTF makes it through or not)
>
> Grant NQ5T
> K3 #2091 KX3 #8342
>
> >
> > This is not the first time I've seen an email with zero content, just a
> > clause as a subject.  And this is not the first venue I've seen it on.
> >
>
>

-- 
72,
Rich Hurd / WC3T / DMR: 3142737
Northampton County RACES, EPA-ARRL Public Information Officer for Scouting
Latitude: 40.761621 Longitude: -75.288988  (40?45.68' N 75?17.33' W) Grid:
*FN20is*

From n6kr at elecraft.com  Tue Jul 23 12:21:59 2019
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2019 09:21:59 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] equalizer on k4
In-Reply-To: <CAMRhQ7JZeTNc=t3aLvLoS7ZLqDrRBFqzGJu2Ce9g7AjZYd4iog@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMRhQ7JZeTNc=t3aLvLoS7ZLqDrRBFqzGJu2Ce9g7AjZYd4iog@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0B62F429-6E8A-4CBA-9ADF-5F3ABDCB4A7B@elecraft.com>

Yes. So is the EQ on our other transceivers.

EQ on the K4 will be more easily adjustable, with a much better user interface, thanks to the large LCD.

73,
Wayne
N6KR

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> On Jul 23, 2019, at 8:35 AM, Richard Donner <richarddnnr2 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Does anyone know if the equalizer on the K4  is going to be  adjustable
> real time so that you can listen to a station and adjust the equalizer as
> you listen to the station.
> Richard
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From n1al at sonic.net  Tue Jul 23 12:47:17 2019
From: n1al at sonic.net (Alan Bloom)
Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2019 09:47:17 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Not Zeroed
In-Reply-To: <C993A328-20FB-48E3-8CA3-D0171B8A1B74@blomand.net>
References: <CAFA9ujtZKO6t3KWXOvYWJx+4CdK+Rp5G3ymbqh61wtyj8LHF9w@mail.gmail.com>
	<801ba8de-1155-0e6f-aedd-99fb58380be1@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<CAFA9ujv_H2aMfMgoU9VqS1J-ioUnbxM5F2TJY-cZTXOvsDRFyg@mail.gmail.com>
	<C993A328-20FB-48E3-8CA3-D0171B8A1B74@blomand.net>
Message-ID: <334ad7e4393c5f822ef9e51f163494d5@sonic.net>

Good advice. 

Also be aware that the center frequency differs depending on mode.  For
example, it is the supressed carrier frequency on SSB but is offset by
typically 600 Hz on CW. 

I like to use AM mode for frequeny calibration.  After doing a frequency
calibration on the K3, tune to a signal on the AM broadcast band and
adjust the P3 frequency calibration.  (MENU:RefCal.  Cal procedurre is
on page 39 of the manual)  As I recall, AM broadcast stations are
required to be within 20 Hz of nominal frequency but are typically much
closer than that.

Alan N1AL 

On 2019-07-23 08:20, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote:

> First make sure the radio is correct on all WWV frequencies.   I use CW mode and Auto Spot.  That will get to within 2 Hz or better. Adjust the Ref freq to calibrate. 
> 
> Then you can calibrate the P3 to the radio. 
> 
> No tuning or listening for zero beat required. 
> 
> Bob, K4TAX
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Jul 23, 2019, at 9:54 AM, Kevin, N4TT <kkinderen at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Jim:
> 
> I thought I had the right adjustment on the P3 but it seems global. I can't
> figure out why WWV can be spot on and then another signal off. I can't even
> be sure if it is the radio or the P3 (or me) at this point. I'll keep
> digging.
> 
> Kev
> 
> On Tue, Jul 23, 2019 at 3:57 AM Jim Brown <jim at audiosystemsgroup.com> wrote:
> 
> It's been a while since I looked at the manuals for my K3 and P3, but I
> do recall that there are calibration procedures for both.
> 
> 73, Jim K9YC
> 
> On 7/22/2019 9:28 PM, Kevin, N4TT wrote:
> I noticed my P3 doesn't seem to be zeroed with the K3s. When I tune in a CW signal with a 600 Hz pitch the P3 is off by 71 Hz. Not much but, I
> expected  - zero.
> 
> In AM - WWV at 5 MHz the P3 seems spot on. 
> 
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From john at kk9a.com  Tue Jul 23 12:55:12 2019
From: john at kk9a.com (john at kk9a.com)
Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2019 11:55:12 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Dummy Load recommendation
Message-ID: <20190723115512.Horde.hJraMTGO4pOJss03Q4JmY2O@www11.qth.com>

I have a 500 watt and 1000 watt Bird dummy loads and they are well  
made.  These are not toys. I believe that they are rated for average  
continuous power and I do not agree that they need to be rated for 2X+  
the transmitted power, especially for intermittent use like most of us  
do.

John KK9A



Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote:
I agree that Bird dummy loads are some of the best.  Be sure to get  
one rated for at least your maximum power anticipated.  And do allow a  
margin of safety. I use 2x, thus for 100 watts I use a 250 watt rated  
load.

I purchase all of my power measurement equipment from NM3E.COM.

Bob, K4TAX


From w7hsg at comcast.net  Tue Jul 23 12:54:35 2019
From: w7hsg at comcast.net (RALPH TURK)
Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2019 10:54:35 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: K4 SDR version
In-Reply-To: <1576460682.107227.1563896375526@connect.xfinity.com>
References: <1576460682.107227.1563896375526@connect.xfinity.com>
Message-ID: <1620975487.219534.1563900875501@connect.xfinity.com>

> Greetings
> 
> 
> I live between 2? AM Broadcast stations.? First Station KVOI 1030 AM @ 10 KW? day, 1kw? night 2 miles south.
> 
> 
> Second StationKUAT 1550 AM @ 50KW? day time only.? No night time power 2 miles north.
> 
> 
> My question is how well will the K4 perform in this environment? The only problem with the K 3 is caused
> 
> 
> by rusty fences etc radiating a mix between stations.? Day time 75 -80 not usable some of the time.
> 
> 
> This is not? a overload problem, just spurs.
> 
> 
> Ralph, W7HSG
> 
> 
> 520-444-6610?
> 
> 
>

From mike.ab3ap at gmail.com  Tue Jul 23 13:04:25 2019
From: mike.ab3ap at gmail.com (Mike Markowski)
Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2019 13:04:25 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] equalizer on k4
In-Reply-To: <0B62F429-6E8A-4CBA-9ADF-5F3ABDCB4A7B@elecraft.com>
References: <CAMRhQ7JZeTNc=t3aLvLoS7ZLqDrRBFqzGJu2Ce9g7AjZYd4iog@mail.gmail.com>
	<0B62F429-6E8A-4CBA-9ADF-5F3ABDCB4A7B@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <CANq1pfmiDXJ5BkS5tZcRMYBOU73T2U7bP469Pc6K+Z-Zd-C4fA@mail.gmail.com>

Since the K3 EQs are a little cumbersome to adjust, I wrote a small python
program a year or two ago:

  http://udel.edu/~mm/ham/elecraft/eq.html

The down side is that if you have another program querying the K3 while
running this, commands and replies intersperse.  I tend to run it to adjust
the EQs, then stop it before running my logging program.  I keep meaning to
write a linux K3 proxy to avoid the avoid the issue, but I find it much
easier to procrastinate. :-)  To other python programmers, please feel free
to enhance and share.

73,
Mike ab3ap

On Tue, Jul 23, 2019 at 12:23 PM Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com> wrote:

> Yes. So is the EQ on our other transceivers.
>
> EQ on the K4 will be more easily adjustable, with a much better user
> interface, thanks to the large LCD.
>
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR
>
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>
> > On Jul 23, 2019, at 8:35 AM, Richard Donner <richarddnnr2 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Does anyone know if the equalizer on the K4  is going to be  adjustable
> > real time so that you can listen to a station and adjust the equalizer as
> > you listen to the station.
> > Richard
>
>

From ghyoungman at gmail.com  Tue Jul 23 13:09:52 2019
From: ghyoungman at gmail.com (Grant Youngman)
Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2019 13:09:52 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] equalizer on k4
In-Reply-To: <CANq1pfmiDXJ5BkS5tZcRMYBOU73T2U7bP469Pc6K+Z-Zd-C4fA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMRhQ7JZeTNc=t3aLvLoS7ZLqDrRBFqzGJu2Ce9g7AjZYd4iog@mail.gmail.com>
	<0B62F429-6E8A-4CBA-9ADF-5F3ABDCB4A7B@elecraft.com>
	<CANq1pfmiDXJ5BkS5tZcRMYBOU73T2U7bP469Pc6K+Z-Zd-C4fA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E782FD47-D84E-4FE9-AFB1-800363C106F8@gmail.com>

I?m scratching my head.  What?s cumbersome?

Grant NQ5T
K3 #2091 KX3 #8342

> 
> Since the K3 EQs are a little cumbersome to adjust, I wrote a small python
> program a year or two ago:
> 

From mtnest at hartcom.net  Tue Jul 23 13:20:01 2019
From: mtnest at hartcom.net (Tom Warren)
Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2019 13:20:01 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net.......speed
Message-ID: <E598DC4A-2BAC-47B8-A0D3-9E8A7B692693@hartcom.net>

Kevin, tnx for the reply. I fully understand the reasoning for closer spacing. I?ll try to checkin sometime when condx are a bit better, it was (349) copy through fast QSB and lots of summer QRN here at my place in GA.

Tnx for the memory?.worked Tom many times?.was a great guy. :)

73,
Tom
W4TMW

==========================

Hi Tom,

?? Your namesake, Tom Hammond (N0SS now SK), put a speed limit on me a 
long time ago.? I run at about 20 to 21 wpm, a good conversational 
speed.? Faster ops are welcome as are those who run more slowly.? While 
working slower operators I put more space between each character and 
between words but maintain my character rate.? If I slow down too much 
my fingers get stuck either open or closed which causes many malformed 
characters.? I should not have been so hard on my hands when I was younger.

?? 73,

?????? Kevin.? KD5ONS









"Don?t confuse effort with results.? 


From w7hsg at comcast.net  Tue Jul 23 13:51:07 2019
From: w7hsg at comcast.net (RALPH TURK)
Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2019 11:51:07 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [Elecraft] test
Message-ID: <51580303.388844.1563904267761@connect.xfinity.com>


This is a test of   HTML

Ralph, W7HSG

From w7hsg at comcast.net  Tue Jul 23 13:54:34 2019
From: w7hsg at comcast.net (RALPH TURK)
Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2019 11:54:34 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [Elecraft] test
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This is a test of Plain text

From n6kr at elecraft.com  Tue Jul 23 14:07:28 2019
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2019 11:07:28 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 soundcard/CODEC
In-Reply-To: <EE07208C-91D6-4FD8-A19A-0B83CABD0B1A@widomaker.com>
References: <002201d54102$5e3a3270$1aae9750$@n7us.net>
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We're using a newer part that works correctly with Windows computers. Also, the K4 provides a superset of K3S I/O functionality generally.

73,
Wayne
N6KR


> On Jul 23, 2019, at 8:09 AM, Nr4c <nr4c at widomaker.com> wrote:
> 
> Probably not. There is 4 to 5 years between radios and I expect some advancement in this technology. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> ...nr4c. bill
> 
> 
>> On Jul 22, 2019, at 10:57 PM, Jim N7US <jim at n7us.net> wrote:
>> 
>> I apologize if this has been asked before.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Is the soundcard/CODEC in the K4 the same as in the K3S?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Jim N7US
>> 
>> 
>> 
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From hbjr at optilink.us  Tue Jul 23 14:18:24 2019
From: hbjr at optilink.us (Hank)
Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2019 14:18:24 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 SWR issue
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What voltage is supplying the radio? ?There was a bug for the ATU centered around falling supply voltage and this may have something to do with that - even though you do not have a tuner.


The factory had to change a resistor value to correct along with some firmware. ?

?
----- Original Message -----
From: Len (lenecee at ca.rr.com)
Date: 07/23/19 01:27
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 SWR issue

Curious if anyone on the reflector has experienced false SWR readings on their KX3? ?No antenna tuner is installed. ?Radio tested on a dependable dummy load and SWR/Power meter. ?On transmit at 5.8 W or less, the radio displays "full-scale" SWR reading (> 1.4-1) with power output consistent with radio power setting. ?At 6w and above, display jumps down to 0 SWR and 0 RF output even though the radio is still able to transmit.
Receiver functions perfectly.

I have initiated an EENT, and re-loded latest software from Elecraft site. I loaded the original factory configuration provided to me by Elecraft. ?If anyone has any further suggestions that I might consider before I send the unit back to Elecraft for evaluation, I would be very grateful. ?Tnx and 73
Len, K6LEN
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From lists at subich.com  Tue Jul 23 14:31:29 2019
From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV)
Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2019 14:31:29 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: K4 SDR version
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On 2019-07-23 12:54 PM, RALPH TURK wrote:
 >> My question is how well will the K4 perform in this environment

If the mixing is occurring external to your transceiver - you say:

>> The only problem with the K 3 is caused by rusty fences etc
>> radiating a mix between stations.

The K4 will perform the same as the K3 as once the spurs are created
externally there is nothing the transceiver can do to reject them.

73,

    ... Joe, W4TV


On 2019-07-23 12:54 PM, RALPH TURK wrote:
>> Greetings
>>
>>
>> I live between 2? AM Broadcast stations.? First Station KVOI 1030 AM @ 10 KW? day, 1kw? night 2 miles south.
>>
>>
>> Second StationKUAT 1550 AM @ 50KW? day time only.? No night time power 2 miles north.
>>
>>
>> My question is how well will the K4 perform in this environment? The only problem with the K 3 is caused
>>
>>
>> by rusty fences etc radiating a mix between stations.? Day time 75 -80 not usable some of the time.
>>
>>
>> This is not? a overload problem, just spurs.
>>
>>
>> Ralph, W7HSG
>>
>>
>> 520-444-6610
>>
>>
>>
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From kkinderen at gmail.com  Tue Jul 23 14:31:34 2019
From: kkinderen at gmail.com (Kevin, N4TT)
Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2019 14:31:34 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Not Zeroed
In-Reply-To: <334ad7e4393c5f822ef9e51f163494d5@sonic.net>
References: <CAFA9ujtZKO6t3KWXOvYWJx+4CdK+Rp5G3ymbqh61wtyj8LHF9w@mail.gmail.com>
	<801ba8de-1155-0e6f-aedd-99fb58380be1@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<CAFA9ujv_H2aMfMgoU9VqS1J-ioUnbxM5F2TJY-cZTXOvsDRFyg@mail.gmail.com>
	<C993A328-20FB-48E3-8CA3-D0171B8A1B74@blomand.net>
	<334ad7e4393c5f822ef9e51f163494d5@sonic.net>
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Maybe that's the basic question...

If I tune the radio to 7.035 to set a CW signal for a pitch of 600 Hz (as
set using the PITCH function) what should I expect to see on the P3?

1) The P3 shows 7.035 and the CW signal is offset from the center by 600 Hz?

2) The P3 shows 7.035 and compensates for the pitch placing the CW signal
directly under the cursor?

3) The P3 shows 7.035600 placing the CW signal directly under the cursor?

I expect #2.

I'll be trying out more this evening.

Kev

On Tue, Jul 23, 2019 at 12:47 PM Alan Bloom <n1al at sonic.net> wrote:

> Good advice.
>
>
> Also be aware that the center frequency differs depending on mode.  For
> example, it is the supressed carrier frequency on SSB but is offset by
> typically 600 Hz on CW.
>
>
> I like to use AM mode for frequeny calibration.  After doing a frequency
> calibration on the K3, tune to a signal on the AM broadcast band and adjust
> the P3 frequency calibration.  (MENU:RefCal.  Cal procedurre is on page 39
> of the manual)  As I recall, AM broadcast stations are required to be
> within 20 Hz of nominal frequency but are typically much closer than that.
>
>
>
> Alan N1AL
>
>
> On 2019-07-23 08:20, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote:
>
> First make sure the radio is correct on all WWV frequencies.   I use CW
> mode and Auto Spot.  That will get to within 2 Hz or better. Adjust the Ref
> freq to calibrate.
>
> Then you can calibrate the P3 to the radio.
>
> No tuning or listening for zero beat required.
>
> Bob, K4TAX
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jul 23, 2019, at 9:54 AM, Kevin, N4TT <kkinderen at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Jim:
>
> I thought I had the right adjustment on the P3 but it seems global. I can't
> figure out why WWV can be spot on and then another signal off. I can't even
> be sure if it is the radio or the P3 (or me) at this point. I'll keep
> digging.
>
> Kev
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 23, 2019 at 3:57 AM Jim Brown <jim at audiosystemsgroup.com>
> wrote:
>
> It's been a while since I looked at the manuals for my K3 and P3, but I
> do recall that there are calibration procedures for both.
>
> 73, Jim K9YC
>
> On 7/22/2019 9:28 PM, Kevin, N4TT wrote:
> I noticed my P3 doesn't seem to be zeroed with the K3s. When I tune in a
>
> CW
>
> signal with a 600 Hz pitch the P3 is off by 71 Hz. Not much but, I
> expected  - zero.
>
> In AM - WWV at 5 MHz the P3 seems spot on.
>
>
>
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From lists at subich.com  Tue Jul 23 14:36:39 2019
From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV)
Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2019 14:36:39 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Not Zeroed
In-Reply-To: <334ad7e4393c5f822ef9e51f163494d5@sonic.net>
References: <CAFA9ujtZKO6t3KWXOvYWJx+4CdK+Rp5G3ymbqh61wtyj8LHF9w@mail.gmail.com>
	<801ba8de-1155-0e6f-aedd-99fb58380be1@audiosystemsgroup.com>
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	<C993A328-20FB-48E3-8CA3-D0171B8A1B74@blomand.net>
	<334ad7e4393c5f822ef9e51f163494d5@sonic.net>
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On 2019-07-23 12:47 PM, Alan Bloom wrote:
 > Also be aware that the center frequency differs depending on mode.

The P3 *should be able to account for that* by using the FI get:

> FI * (I.F. Center Frequency; GET only)
> RSP format: Finnnn; where nnnn represents the last 4 digits of the 
> K3?s present I.F. center frequency in Hz.  Example: If nnnn = 5000, 
> the I.F. center frequency is 8215000 Hz.  Intended for use with 
> panadapters, which need to keep track of the exact I.F. center 
> frequency as filter bandwidths and shifts are changed by the
> operator.

73,

    ... Joe, W4TV


On 2019-07-23 12:47 PM, Alan Bloom wrote:
> Good advice.
> 
> Also be aware that the center frequency differs depending on mode.  For
> example, it is the supressed carrier frequency on SSB but is offset by
> typically 600 Hz on CW.
> 
> I like to use AM mode for frequeny calibration.  After doing a frequency
> calibration on the K3, tune to a signal on the AM broadcast band and
> adjust the P3 frequency calibration.  (MENU:RefCal.  Cal procedurre is
> on page 39 of the manual)  As I recall, AM broadcast stations are
> required to be within 20 Hz of nominal frequency but are typically much
> closer than that.
> 
> Alan N1AL
> 


From w7hsg at comcast.net  Tue Jul 23 14:55:31 2019
From: w7hsg at comcast.net (RALPH TURK)
Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2019 12:55:31 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: K4 SDR version
In-Reply-To: <863b368b-d1b1-4231-9af1-c7aaeeabb00a@subich.com>
References: <1576460682.107227.1563896375526@connect.xfinity.com>
	<1620975487.219534.1563900875501@connect.xfinity.com>
	<863b368b-d1b1-4231-9af1-c7aaeeabb00a@subich.com>
Message-ID: <1252922586.391032.1563908132092@connect.xfinity.com>

Thanks Joe
I am more concerned if the SDR front end will be overloaded.
The spurs are a work in progress.  If it rained once a week,
I would not have any spurs.
Ralph


> On July 23, 2019 at 12:31 PM "Joe Subich, W4TV" <lists at subich.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> On 2019-07-23 12:54 PM, RALPH TURK wrote:
>  >> My question is how well will the K4 perform in this environment
> 
> If the mixing is occurring external to your transceiver - you say:
> 
> >> The only problem with the K 3 is caused by rusty fences etc
> >> radiating a mix between stations.
> 
> The K4 will perform the same as the K3 as once the spurs are created
> externally there is nothing the transceiver can do to reject them.
> 
> 73,
> 
>     ... Joe, W4TV
> 
> 
> On 2019-07-23 12:54 PM, RALPH TURK wrote:
> >> Greetings
> >>
> >>
> >> I live between 2? AM Broadcast stations.? First Station KVOI 1030 AM @ 10 KW? day, 1kw? night 2 miles south.
> >>
> >>
> >> Second StationKUAT 1550 AM @ 50KW? day time only.? No night time power 2 miles north.
> >>
> >>
> >> My question is how well will the K4 perform in this environment? The only problem with the K 3 is caused
> >>
> >>
> >> by rusty fences etc radiating a mix between stations.? Day time 75 -80 not usable some of the time.
> >>
> >>
> >> This is not? a overload problem, just spurs.
> >>
> >>
> >> Ralph, W7HSG
> >>
> >>
> >> 520-444-6610
> >>
> >>
> >>
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From kl7uw at acsalaska.net  Tue Jul 23 15:49:09 2019
From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole)
Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2019 11:49:09 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Dummy Load recommendation
Message-ID: <201907231949.x6NJnC3X030618@mail42c28.carrierzone.com>

This discussion reminds me that most on this list are HFers and never 
go above 30mcs (MHz).  Or buy all their ham stuff and believe the 
mfrs specs or meters without question.  Probably do not build 
homebrew equipment so never had to measure if such-an-such actually 
is working (and at what level).
By now I should have made a few of you angry at my post.   Good!

For most arm-chair operators a Bird and Bird load will be more than 
adequate to determine power and SWR to +/- 5% full scale reading.  It 
was my main antenna meter when working as a professional 
technician.  Rugged, fairly accurate, dependable (don't drop it off the tower).

A good non-inductive 50-ohm resistive load and a scope able to 
measure over 50-MHz will do better.

Next some better directional couplers will give more accurate return 
loss (SWR).

My "standard" is using better than good directional couplers (>20 dB) 
with my HP-432A mw power meter using  up to 10 mw signal 
sources.  This is usable to 18 GHz.  With use of high power coax 
attenuators, I can measure power as high as the rating of the 
attenuator.  I use 50-dB directional couplers on 1296 to measure my 
600w amp (58 dBm).

XG3 is a good 1mw source (0 dBm) up to 200-MHz, though not real 
accurate in frequency (which is not that important for 
power/reflected power).  But harmonic energy exists unless you use a 
filter since the output is a square wave.

I recently bought a used Bird HP 8202 500w load (good to 2500-MHz) 
which I can use with amps up to 1500w (as long as transmission is 
kept short - less than a minute; most tests take only a few 
seconds).  I have a Bird 25w load which I have used up to 150w for 
short measurements.  If it feels hot stop  until cool again.

But as a new young ham (1960's) I bought a cantenna (paint can filled 
with mineral oil and resistor load immersed) for HF stuff and a 
Knight-Kit SWR meter.  But as I got older and had more cash I got better stuff.

A dummy load that you can trust to be SWR 1:1 is good thing to check 
those SWR meters or antenna analyzers with.  Handy when measurements 
seem to be "all over the map".  Use it to test coax cables, for instance.

73, Ed - KL7UW
   http://www.kl7uw.com
Dubus-NA Business mail:
   dubususa at gmail.com 


From kkinderen at gmail.com  Tue Jul 23 15:55:50 2019
From: kkinderen at gmail.com (Kevin, N4TT)
Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2019 15:55:50 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Not Zeroed
In-Reply-To: <4cb6d8e5-ae1e-b833-2b1a-b37cddbb4146@subich.com>
References: <CAFA9ujtZKO6t3KWXOvYWJx+4CdK+Rp5G3ymbqh61wtyj8LHF9w@mail.gmail.com>
	<801ba8de-1155-0e6f-aedd-99fb58380be1@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<CAFA9ujv_H2aMfMgoU9VqS1J-ioUnbxM5F2TJY-cZTXOvsDRFyg@mail.gmail.com>
	<C993A328-20FB-48E3-8CA3-D0171B8A1B74@blomand.net>
	<334ad7e4393c5f822ef9e51f163494d5@sonic.net>
	<4cb6d8e5-ae1e-b833-2b1a-b37cddbb4146@subich.com>
Message-ID: <CAFA9uju91HkOkz_6DDiAuKj9dSDob=DzCg7wFvexNU3BLkdheg@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks all!

There's a ref cal on the K3s. I ran through the procedure for that using 15
MHz and rechecked on 10 MHz. Seems this was quite a bit off. Now, not only
is it lining up on WWV but also any CW signal I select lines up very
closely between the marker on the P3 and a 600 Hz marker on fldigi with the
sidetone set to 600.

A thing I noticed. When making the adjustment on the P3 the offset would be
different for different signals. 15 MHz was 263 while 10 MHz was 210. So
there was no one-size-fits-all adjustment there. On the K3s, I adjusted for
15 and everything came into sync including the P3, which now reads 12 for
the ref adjustment and is consistent across a number of signals.


Learning more every day. And liking it more.

73,
Kev N4TT

On Tue, Jul 23, 2019 at 2:38 PM Joe Subich, W4TV <lists at subich.com> wrote:

>
> On 2019-07-23 12:47 PM, Alan Bloom wrote:
>  > Also be aware that the center frequency differs depending on mode.
>
> The P3 *should be able to account for that* by using the FI get:
>
> > FI * (I.F. Center Frequency; GET only)
> > RSP format: Finnnn; where nnnn represents the last 4 digits of the
> > K3?s present I.F. center frequency in Hz.  Example: If nnnn = 5000,
> > the I.F. center frequency is 8215000 Hz.  Intended for use with
> > panadapters, which need to keep track of the exact I.F. center
> > frequency as filter bandwidths and shifts are changed by the
> > operator.
>
> 73,
>
>     ... Joe, W4TV
>
>
> On 2019-07-23 12:47 PM, Alan Bloom wrote:
> > Good advice.
> >
> > Also be aware that the center frequency differs depending on mode.  For
> > example, it is the supressed carrier frequency on SSB but is offset by
> > typically 600 Hz on CW.
> >
> > I like to use AM mode for frequeny calibration.  After doing a frequency
> > calibration on the K3, tune to a signal on the AM broadcast band and
> > adjust the P3 frequency calibration.  (MENU:RefCal.  Cal procedurre is
> > on page 39 of the manual)  As I recall, AM broadcast stations are
> > required to be within 20 Hz of nominal frequency but are typically much
> > closer than that.
> >
> > Alan N1AL
> >
>
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From n1al at sonic.net  Tue Jul 23 16:04:01 2019
From: n1al at sonic.net (Alan Bloom)
Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2019 13:04:01 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Not Zeroed
In-Reply-To: <4cb6d8e5-ae1e-b833-2b1a-b37cddbb4146@subich.com>
References: <CAFA9ujtZKO6t3KWXOvYWJx+4CdK+Rp5G3ymbqh61wtyj8LHF9w@mail.gmail.com>
	<801ba8de-1155-0e6f-aedd-99fb58380be1@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<CAFA9ujv_H2aMfMgoU9VqS1J-ioUnbxM5F2TJY-cZTXOvsDRFyg@mail.gmail.com>
	<C993A328-20FB-48E3-8CA3-D0171B8A1B74@blomand.net>
	<334ad7e4393c5f822ef9e51f163494d5@sonic.net>
	<4cb6d8e5-ae1e-b833-2b1a-b37cddbb4146@subich.com>
Message-ID: <97a04a09c4cf1dac28e2bfa1ca56e305@sonic.net>

You could be right.  I'm out of town right now so I can't check it.  But
I think I remember that in some of the digital modes the definition of
VFO A frequency is different. 

Alan N1AL 

On 2019-07-23 11:36, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:

> On 2019-07-23 12:47 PM, Alan Bloom wrote: 
> 
>> Also be aware that the center frequency differs depending on mode.
> 
> The P3 *should be able to account for that* by using the FI get:
> 
>> FI * (I.F. Center Frequency; GET only)
>> RSP format: Finnnn; where nnnn represents the last 4 digits of the K3's present I.F. center frequency in Hz.  Example: If nnnn = 5000, the I.F. center frequency is 8215000 Hz.  Intended for use with panadapters, which need to keep track of the exact I.F. center frequency as filter bandwidths and shifts are changed by the
>> operator.
> 
> 73,
> 
> ... Joe, W4TV
> 
> On 2019-07-23 12:47 PM, Alan Bloom wrote: 
> 
>> Good advice.
>> 
>> Also be aware that the center frequency differs depending on mode.  For
>> example, it is the supressed carrier frequency on SSB but is offset by
>> typically 600 Hz on CW.
>> 
>> I like to use AM mode for frequeny calibration.  After doing a frequency
>> calibration on the K3, tune to a signal on the AM broadcast band and
>> adjust the P3 frequency calibration.  (MENU:RefCal.  Cal procedurre is
>> on page 39 of the manual)  As I recall, AM broadcast stations are
>> required to be within 20 Hz of nominal frequency but are typically much
>> closer than that.
>> 
>> Alan N1AL
> 
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From nr4c at widomaker.com  Tue Jul 23 16:07:32 2019
From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c)
Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2019 16:07:32 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] equalizer on k4
In-Reply-To: <CANq1pfmiDXJ5BkS5tZcRMYBOU73T2U7bP469Pc6K+Z-Zd-C4fA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMRhQ7JZeTNc=t3aLvLoS7ZLqDrRBFqzGJu2Ce9g7AjZYd4iog@mail.gmail.com>
	<0B62F429-6E8A-4CBA-9ADF-5F3ABDCB4A7B@elecraft.com>
	<CANq1pfmiDXJ5BkS5tZcRMYBOU73T2U7bP469Pc6K+Z-Zd-C4fA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1B0599D7-69D3-4509-B7DE-E5DCD362F3E2@widomaker.com>

You can?t move it with your finger or a mouse. I guess knobs are ?out of style?, Grant. 

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill


> On Jul 23, 2019, at 1:04 PM, Mike Markowski <mike.ab3ap at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> running my logging program.  I keep meanin


From ghyoungman at gmail.com  Tue Jul 23 16:03:46 2019
From: ghyoungman at gmail.com (Grant Youngman)
Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2019 16:03:46 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Dummy Load recommendation
In-Reply-To: <201907231949.x6NJnC3X030618@mail42c28.carrierzone.com>
References: <201907231949.x6NJnC3X030618@mail42c28.carrierzone.com>
Message-ID: <37948C55-97C2-42BE-A9C7-6F8A04C05D3D@gmail.com>

As a new ham (1958-9) my "dummy load" was a 60 watt light bulb.  Even made a few local contacts with it.  Couldn?t afford anything else.  A good pi-network could load most anything, anyway .. :-)

Grant NQ5T
K3 #2091 KX3 #8342

> 
> But as a new young ham (1960's) I bought a cantenna (paint can filled with mineral oil and resistor load immersed) for HF stuff and a Knight-Kit SWR meter.  But as I got older and had more cash I got better stuff.
> 


From nr4c at widomaker.com  Tue Jul 23 16:25:12 2019
From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c)
Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2019 16:25:12 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Not Zeroed
In-Reply-To: <CAFA9ujufdFPUGo5R94bz7zJTZDCQfY-w3o=NdHNhCazOYUmC5w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFA9ujtZKO6t3KWXOvYWJx+4CdK+Rp5G3ymbqh61wtyj8LHF9w@mail.gmail.com>
	<801ba8de-1155-0e6f-aedd-99fb58380be1@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<CAFA9ujv_H2aMfMgoU9VqS1J-ioUnbxM5F2TJY-cZTXOvsDRFyg@mail.gmail.com>
	<C993A328-20FB-48E3-8CA3-D0171B8A1B74@blomand.net>
	<334ad7e4393c5f822ef9e51f163494d5@sonic.net>
	<CAFA9ujufdFPUGo5R94bz7zJTZDCQfY-w3o=NdHNhCazOYUmC5w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <63A39046-23B9-4BC2-A2B0-77F0BC623FFB@widomaker.com>

For CW, if radio is set to 7.040 then it will transmit a carrier on 7.040. If you tune to a station transmitting on 7.030 then your radio should also be at 7.039 and the P3 would show a spike on 7.030. The pitch of the audio is done in the receiver so you can make out the code. Otherwise you wound only hear ?tch tch tccch? for a ?U?. 

In the past an adjustable ?BFO? or Beat Freeuency Oscilkator was used to beat against the incoming carrier to provide an audio so that you could hear the code. This was often needed due to you hardly ever worked someone on same frequency as your crystal. Once you found someone coming back to you, a turn of the BFO knob could provide a usable audio signal. 

The TX Sidetone is there for the same reason. 



Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill


> On Jul 23, 2019, at 2:31 PM, Kevin, N4TT <kkinderen at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Maybe that's the basic question...
> 
> If I tune the radio to 7.035 to set a CW signal for a pitch of 600 Hz (as
> set using the PITCH function) what should I expect to see on the P3?
> 
> 1) The P3 shows 7.035 and the CW signal is offset from the center by 600 Hz?
> 
> 2) The P3 shows 7.035 and compensates for the pitch placing the CW signal
> directly under the cursor?
> 
> 3) The P3 shows 7.035600 placing the CW signal directly under the cursor?
> 
> I expect #2.
> 
> I'll be trying out more this evening.
> 
> Kev
> 
>> On Tue, Jul 23, 2019 at 12:47 PM Alan Bloom <n1al at sonic.net> wrote:
>> 
>> Good advice.
>> 
>> 
>> Also be aware that the center frequency differs depending on mode.  For
>> example, it is the supressed carrier frequency on SSB but is offset by
>> typically 600 Hz on CW.
>> 
>> 
>> I like to use AM mode for frequeny calibration.  After doing a frequency
>> calibration on the K3, tune to a signal on the AM broadcast band and adjust
>> the P3 frequency calibration.  (MENU:RefCal.  Cal procedurre is on page 39
>> of the manual)  As I recall, AM broadcast stations are required to be
>> within 20 Hz of nominal frequency but are typically much closer than that.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Alan N1AL
>> 
>> 
>> On 2019-07-23 08:20, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote:


From jim at w5la.net  Tue Jul 23 16:42:12 2019
From: jim at w5la.net (Jim Ragsdale)
Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2019 15:42:12 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Dummy Load recommendation
In-Reply-To: <37948C55-97C2-42BE-A9C7-6F8A04C05D3D@gmail.com>
References: <201907231949.x6NJnC3X030618@mail42c28.carrierzone.com>
	<37948C55-97C2-42BE-A9C7-6F8A04C05D3D@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <754d8290-2ca5-7f66-b9b4-8a793bea48ec@w5la.net>

I quit using 60 W light bulbs when I worked a station in New Jersey from 
Memphis, Tennessee!
Jim W5LA ex K4QG ex WA4BAC ex WN4BAC

On 07/23/19 3:03 PM, Grant Youngman wrote:
> As a new ham (1958-9) my "dummy load" was a 60 watt light bulb.  Even made a few local contacts with it.  Couldn?t afford anything else.  A good pi-network could load most anything, anyway .. :-)
>
> Grant NQ5T
> K3 #2091 KX3 #8342
>
>> But as a new young ham (1960's) I bought a cantenna (paint can filled with mineral oil and resistor load immersed) for HF stuff and a Knight-Kit SWR meter.  But as I got older and had more cash I got better stuff.
>>
> ______________________________________________________________
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> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
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From wb6rse1 at mac.com  Tue Jul 23 16:44:47 2019
From: wb6rse1 at mac.com (wb6rse1 at mac.com)
Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2019 13:44:47 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] For Sale KPA500
Message-ID: <CF18715E-49EE-43EA-8139-2F8CB7807619@mac.com>

For Sale KPA500. Price reduced. Full pictures available.

> https://www.eham.net/classifieds/detail/566704 <https://www.eham.net/classifieds/detail/566704>
Please email me off list.

73 - Steve WB6RSE

From ardrhi at gmail.com  Tue Jul 23 16:53:53 2019
From: ardrhi at gmail.com (Gwen Patton)
Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2019 16:53:53 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Not Zeroed
In-Reply-To: <63A39046-23B9-4BC2-A2B0-77F0BC623FFB@widomaker.com>
References: <CAFA9ujtZKO6t3KWXOvYWJx+4CdK+Rp5G3ymbqh61wtyj8LHF9w@mail.gmail.com>
	<801ba8de-1155-0e6f-aedd-99fb58380be1@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<CAFA9ujv_H2aMfMgoU9VqS1J-ioUnbxM5F2TJY-cZTXOvsDRFyg@mail.gmail.com>
	<C993A328-20FB-48E3-8CA3-D0171B8A1B74@blomand.net>
	<334ad7e4393c5f822ef9e51f163494d5@sonic.net>
	<CAFA9ujufdFPUGo5R94bz7zJTZDCQfY-w3o=NdHNhCazOYUmC5w@mail.gmail.com>
	<63A39046-23B9-4BC2-A2B0-77F0BC623FFB@widomaker.com>
Message-ID: <CA+nQa2MtoKjoCKdBTc4mH-DvKYZCXYkd=HZVwPshzFwizVSjHg@mail.gmail.com>

I thought an oscilkator was one of those green lizards with lots of teeth
that live in the swamp....

On Tue, Jul 23, 2019 at 4:25 PM Nr4c <nr4c at widomaker.com> wrote:

> For CW, if radio is set to 7.040 then it will transmit a carrier on 7.040.
> If you tune to a station transmitting on 7.030 then your radio should also
> be at 7.039 and the P3 would show a spike on 7.030. The pitch of the audio
> is done in the receiver so you can make out the code. Otherwise you wound
> only hear ?tch tch tccch? for a ?U?.
>
> In the past an adjustable ?BFO? or Beat Freeuency Oscilkator was used to
> beat against the incoming carrier to provide an audio so that you could
> hear the code. This was often needed due to you hardly ever worked someone
> on same frequency as your crystal. Once you found someone coming back to
> you, a turn of the BFO knob could provide a usable audio signal.
>
> The TX Sidetone is there for the same reason.
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
> ...nr4c. bill
>
>
> > On Jul 23, 2019, at 2:31 PM, Kevin, N4TT <kkinderen at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Maybe that's the basic question...
> >
> > If I tune the radio to 7.035 to set a CW signal for a pitch of 600 Hz (as
> > set using the PITCH function) what should I expect to see on the P3?
> >
> > 1) The P3 shows 7.035 and the CW signal is offset from the center by 600
> Hz?
> >
> > 2) The P3 shows 7.035 and compensates for the pitch placing the CW signal
> > directly under the cursor?
> >
> > 3) The P3 shows 7.035600 placing the CW signal directly under the cursor?
> >
> > I expect #2.
> >
> > I'll be trying out more this evening.
> >
> > Kev
> >
> >> On Tue, Jul 23, 2019 at 12:47 PM Alan Bloom <n1al at sonic.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> Good advice.
> >>
> >>
> >> Also be aware that the center frequency differs depending on mode.  For
> >> example, it is the supressed carrier frequency on SSB but is offset by
> >> typically 600 Hz on CW.
> >>
> >>
> >> I like to use AM mode for frequeny calibration.  After doing a frequency
> >> calibration on the K3, tune to a signal on the AM broadcast band and
> adjust
> >> the P3 frequency calibration.  (MENU:RefCal.  Cal procedurre is on page
> 39
> >> of the manual)  As I recall, AM broadcast stations are required to be
> >> within 20 Hz of nominal frequency but are typically much closer than
> that.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Alan N1AL
> >>
> >>
> >> On 2019-07-23 08:20, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote:
>
> ______________________________________________________________
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> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
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From jsdanehy at gmail.com  Tue Jul 23 16:55:20 2019
From: jsdanehy at gmail.com (Jim Danehy)
Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2019 16:55:20 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Dummy Load
Message-ID: <0A44F6BF-177A-43F7-BE5B-F3AE9A6E4ED7@gmail.com>

I worked K8MFO on 160 which is 250 miles from me. Used a Heathkit Dummy loaf with oil in the can. 

Sent from my iPhone

From xdavid at cis-broadband.com  Tue Jul 23 17:07:52 2019
From: xdavid at cis-broadband.com (David Gilbert)
Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2019 14:07:52 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Dummy Load
In-Reply-To: <0A44F6BF-177A-43F7-BE5B-F3AE9A6E4ED7@gmail.com>
References: <0A44F6BF-177A-43F7-BE5B-F3AE9A6E4ED7@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <23f28ca2-be4a-2531-fab9-8f9c48f6f404@cis-broadband.com>


I'd bet a lot of money that something besides the dummy load was doing 
most of the radiating.

Dave?? AB7E



On 7/23/2019 1:55 PM, Jim Danehy wrote:
> I worked K8MFO on 160 which is 250 miles from me. Used a Heathkit Dummy loaf with oil in the can.
>
>


From k6dgw at foothill.net  Tue Jul 23 17:08:30 2019
From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen)
Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2019 14:08:30 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Dummy Load recommendation
In-Reply-To: <754d8290-2ca5-7f66-b9b4-8a793bea48ec@w5la.net>
References: <201907231949.x6NJnC3X030618@mail42c28.carrierzone.com>
	<37948C55-97C2-42BE-A9C7-6F8A04C05D3D@gmail.com>
	<754d8290-2ca5-7f66-b9b4-8a793bea48ec@w5la.net>
Message-ID: <4ad76c72-fb0b-c797-8901-4be843991b73@foothill.net>

Recalls to mind Tom Schiller, N6BT, and his "Phased Illuminator."

73,
Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

On 7/23/2019 1:42 PM, Jim Ragsdale wrote:
> I quit using 60 W light bulbs when I worked a station in New Jersey 
> from Memphis, Tennessee!
> Jim W5LA ex K4QG ex WA4BAC ex WN4BAC


From KX3.2 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com  Tue Jul 23 17:01:59 2019
From: KX3.2 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com (Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT)
Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2019 14:01:59 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Blank E-Mails (was Re:  K4 SDR version)
In-Reply-To: <CABYU7WjbtVbH71rnRU3hV21SYnPbnKcsmRTNSUj1LK3O9=P+wQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1576460682.107227.1563896375526@connect.xfinity.com>
	<CABYU7WjbtVbH71rnRU3hV21SYnPbnKcsmRTNSUj1LK3O9=P+wQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2ed43dd6-ed76-7b38-60a8-71cd006566d9@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com>

Because it's possible to do all kinds of evil things through HTML, this 
list, and many others simply remove everything that is HTML encoded.

Unfortunately, HTML is the default in most mail clients.

On 7/23/2019 8:53 AM, rich hurd WC3T wrote:
> [SLIGHTLY OFF TOPIC WARNING]
> 
> This is not the first time I've seen an email with zero content, just a
> clause as a subject.  And this is not the first venue I've seen it on.
> 
> Is this a thing?    I have no idea what the original poster is going on
> about.  There's absolutely nothing you can infer from this subject line.
> 
> I know, I could just hit "delete" or spin the dial and I'll end up doing
> that.  But come on folks.  Spend some time crafting an email that is
> readable and understandable and you'll get better answers.  And people will
> definitely get a better impression of your ability to form a sentence in
> the King's English.
> 
> Rant over.
> 
> 
> On Tue, Jul 23, 2019 at 11:39 AM RALPH TURK <w7hsg at comcast.net> wrote:
> 
>>
>> ______________________________________________________________
>> Elecraft mailing list
>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
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>>
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>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
>> Message delivered to rich at wc3t.us
>>
> 
> 

From forums at david-woolley.me.uk  Tue Jul 23 17:18:04 2019
From: forums at david-woolley.me.uk (David Woolley)
Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2019 22:18:04 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] test
In-Reply-To: <51580303.388844.1563904267761@connect.xfinity.com>
References: <51580303.388844.1563904267761@connect.xfinity.com>
Message-ID: <cd6ee453-1095-4c11-f222-237d1877dc4d@david-woolley.me.uk>

The longer established email programs that support HTML mail will always 
send it as multipart/alternative, with both HTML and plain text 
versions.  Almost certainly your email program does that.  However, it 
appears that there are an increasing number of email programs that only 
send HTML or other rich text versions.

I think the list software is stripping out the text/html variant, rather 
than rendering the HTML as plain text.


-- 
David Woolley

On 23/07/2019 18:51, RALPH TURK wrote:
> 
> This is a test of   HTML
> 


From wes_n7ws at triconet.org  Tue Jul 23 17:58:58 2019
From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes)
Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2019 14:58:58 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: K4 SDR version
In-Reply-To: <1620975487.219534.1563900875501@connect.xfinity.com>
References: <1576460682.107227.1563896375526@connect.xfinity.com>
	<1620975487.219534.1563900875501@connect.xfinity.com>
Message-ID: <8d1a149c-baa0-a999-a748-54ee07da2054@triconet.org>

Ralph,

KVOI is -7 dBm here on my 40-meter dipole.? On the 160 antenna it's about 3 dB 
higher but that's folded over for the lightning season,? Despite running 7 dB 
more power and not being a much different distance KUAZ is about 13 dB weaker.? 
I guess that's why the commercial owner gave it to the U of A, took a tax write 
off and lets the taxpayers fund it.? KFLF, (50 KW) further away still is -6 dBm.

My SDR-IQs handle this just fine.? I briefly owned an RSP-2 Pro that folded up 
like a cheap suitcase and was unusable on any frequency and it supposedly has a 
BCB filter.? I suspect that the K4 will be unfazed.


Wes? N7WS

On 7/23/2019 9:54 AM, RALPH TURK wrote:
>> Greetings
>>
>>
>> I live between 2? AM Broadcast stations.? First Station KVOI 1030 AM @ 10 KW? day, 1kw? night 2 miles south.
>>
>>
>> Second StationKUAT 1550 AM @ 50KW? day time only.? No night time power 2 miles north.
>>
>>
>> My question is how well will the K4 perform in this environment? The only problem with the K 3 is caused
>>
>>
>> by rusty fences etc radiating a mix between stations.? Day time 75 -80 not usable some of the time.
>>
>>
>> This is not? a overload problem, just spurs.
>>
>>
>> Ralph, W7HSG


From k2asp at kanafi.org  Tue Jul 23 18:19:11 2019
From: k2asp at kanafi.org (k2asp kanafi.org)
Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2019 18:19:11 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Elecraft] Dummy Load
In-Reply-To: <0A44F6BF-177A-43F7-BE5B-F3AE9A6E4ED7@gmail.com>
References: <0A44F6BF-177A-43F7-BE5B-F3AE9A6E4ED7@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <361304861.365674.1563920351697@webmail.networksolutionsemail.com>


> On July 23, 2019 at 4:55 PM Jim Danehy <jsdanehy at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> I worked K8MFO on 160 which is 250 miles from me. Used a Heathkit Dummy loaf with oil in the can. 

I am limited in antennas because of the rental apartment rules so I use a mag-loop at 15 watts. I've often wondered whether I would have a better signal running 100 W into my MFJ dummy load.  Maybe I should try it!

73 de K2ASP
K2/100

From rich at wc3t.us  Tue Jul 23 18:23:35 2019
From: rich at wc3t.us (rich hurd WC3T)
Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2019 18:23:35 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Blank E-Mails (was Re: K4 SDR version)
In-Reply-To: <2ed43dd6-ed76-7b38-60a8-71cd006566d9@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com>
References: <1576460682.107227.1563896375526@connect.xfinity.com>
	<CABYU7WjbtVbH71rnRU3hV21SYnPbnKcsmRTNSUj1LK3O9=P+wQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<2ed43dd6-ed76-7b38-60a8-71cd006566d9@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com>
Message-ID: <CABYU7Wjjb9JthsH0eygxMz=S-89R=2H-XMpRhBKzyYU2444z-g@mail.gmail.com>

I have apologized privately to the poster and here I will put on my hair
shirt and flog myself with a length of coax.  I?ve seen this behavior,
albeit on web based forums, and just assumed laziness rather than other
causes.   Just shows you can teach an old dog new tricks.

Don?t sic Eric on me.  :)  Let?s end this here.

On Tue, Jul 23, 2019 at 17:01 Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT <
KX3.2 at coldrockshotbrooms.com> wrote:

> Because it's possible to do all kinds of evil things through HTML, this
> list, and many others simply remove everything that is HTML encoded.
>
> Unfortunately, HTML is the default in most mail clients.
>
> On 7/23/2019 8:53 AM, rich hurd WC3T wrote:
> > [SLIGHTLY OFF TOPIC WARNING]
> >
> > This is not the first time I've seen an email with zero content, just a
> > clause as a subject.  And this is not the first venue I've seen it on.
> >
> > Is this a thing?    I have no idea what the original poster is going on
> > about.  There's absolutely nothing you can infer from this subject line.
> >
> > I know, I could just hit "delete" or spin the dial and I'll end up doing
> > that.  But come on folks.  Spend some time crafting an email that is
> > readable and understandable and you'll get better answers.  And people
> will
> > definitely get a better impression of your ability to form a sentence in
> > the King's English.
> >
> > Rant over.
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Jul 23, 2019 at 11:39 AM RALPH TURK <w7hsg at comcast.net> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> ______________________________________________________________
> >> Elecraft mailing list
> >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
> >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
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> >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
> >> Message delivered to rich at wc3t.us
> >>
> >
> >
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From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Tue Jul 23 18:34:38 2019
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2019 15:34:38 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: K4 SDR version
In-Reply-To: <8d1a149c-baa0-a999-a748-54ee07da2054@triconet.org>
References: <1576460682.107227.1563896375526@connect.xfinity.com>
	<1620975487.219534.1563900875501@connect.xfinity.com>
	<8d1a149c-baa0-a999-a748-54ee07da2054@triconet.org>
Message-ID: <bdf28b85-3a50-107e-c4a8-60c1e4d9f51c@audiosystemsgroup.com>

Hi Wes,

I looked them up on the FCC AM Query page. 
https://www.fcc.gov/media/radio/am-query

The "intermediate detail" listing is the most useful.? KFLF is not in 
the database, but KFLT is.

In addition to power, three other factors affect signal strength. 1) 
Attenuation by groundwave increases a LOT with frequency. KVOI is on the 
low end of the band, KUAZ on the high end. It is so strongly 
frequency-dependent that the FCC technical regs publish ground wave 
curves for every 100 kHz or so. 2) Antenna directivity. All three are 
non-directional daytime, but KFLT is directional at night. 3) Antenna 
height. And, BTW, while KVOI runs 10kW daytime, their license is for 1kW 
night.

When you get a line listing, click on the call to get technical details. 
For KFLT, click on the "Electrical Field Strength pattern plot (PDF)" to 
see the antenna's pattern.

73, Jim K9YC

On 7/23/2019 2:58 PM, Wes wrote:
> KVOI is -7 dBm here on my 40-meter dipole.? On the 160 antenna it's 
> about 3 dB higher but that's folded over for the lightning season,? 
> Despite running 7 dB more power and not being a much different 
> distance KUAZ is about 13 dB weaker.? I guess that's why the 
> commercial owner gave it to the U of A, took a tax write off and lets 
> the taxpayers fund it.? KFLF, (50 KW) further away still is -6 dBm.



From ki5io at outlook.com  Tue Jul 23 19:18:07 2019
From: ki5io at outlook.com (Nolan Kienitz)
Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2019 16:18:07 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 soundcard/CODEC
In-Reply-To: <591270D3-5E84-434B-9BFA-6E14C267ED90@elecraft.com>
References: <002201d54102$5e3a3270$1aae9750$@n7us.net>
	<EE07208C-91D6-4FD8-A19A-0B83CABD0B1A@widomaker.com>
	<591270D3-5E84-434B-9BFA-6E14C267ED90@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <1563923887534-0.post@n2.nabble.com>

Wayne,

Any possibility of a future "enhanced" soundcard/CODEC that might better
accommodate Windoze for the K3?

The current KIO3B is great, but just thinking out of the box for an enhanced
version.

73,

Nolan Kienitz
KI5IO



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From MarkMu.Boeing747 at yahoo.com  Tue Jul 23 19:36:19 2019
From: MarkMu.Boeing747 at yahoo.com (Mark Murray)
Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2019 19:36:19 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Dummy Load Recommendation
Message-ID: <000001d541af$6eb9a4c0$4c2cee40$@yahoo.com>

The previously described RFL-100 $50 resistor dummy load kit (also available
pre-built) is perfect.  With a very nice cabinet, choice of UHF connectors,
and very nice price.

For those who experiment with very small RF Termination Resistor devices,
the microwave company Anaren, Inc., of East Syracuse, NY now manufactures
(overseas) a tiny 450-watt RF termination device that measures roughly
1-inch x 1/2-inch.  DC-through 1.7-GHz.  $24.00 from Mouser.com.  Model #
G450N50W4.  AiN device, 50-Ohms +/-2%.   Two flange holes for mounting on
heat sink.  See spec sheet for temperature limits.  Even at 100-watts
dissipation you'll need a good heat sink and cooling fan; likewise when
wiring up four.  Recommended for experimenters. 
// Mark W2OR
~~ ~~ ~~




From wes_n7ws at triconet.org  Tue Jul 23 19:42:35 2019
From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes)
Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2019 16:42:35 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: K4 SDR version
In-Reply-To: <8d1a149c-baa0-a999-a748-54ee07da2054@triconet.org>
References: <1576460682.107227.1563896375526@connect.xfinity.com>
	<1620975487.219534.1563900875501@connect.xfinity.com>
	<8d1a149c-baa0-a999-a748-54ee07da2054@triconet.org>
Message-ID: <7718423c-1cd3-5373-f0f8-4563d9f4f5b9@triconet.org>

I should add that KVOI runs a directional antenna with the (crazy) pattern peak 
pointed in my direction.? Why escapes me, as there is no one to service in my 
direction.


On 7/23/2019 2:58 PM, Wes wrote:
> Ralph,
>
> KVOI is -7 dBm here on my 40-meter dipole.? On the 160 antenna it's about 3 dB 
> higher but that's folded over for the lightning season,? Despite running 7 dB 
> more power and not being a much different distance KUAZ is about 13 dB 
> weaker.? I guess that's why the commercial owner gave it to the U of A, took a 
> tax write off and lets the taxpayers fund it.? KFLF, (50 KW) further away 
> still is -6 dBm.
>
> My SDR-IQs handle this just fine.? I briefly owned an RSP-2 Pro that folded up 
> like a cheap suitcase and was unusable on any frequency and it supposedly has 
> a BCB filter.? I suspect that the K4 will be unfazed.
>
>
> Wes? N7WS
>
> On 7/23/2019 9:54 AM, RALPH TURK wrote:
>>> Greetings
>>>
>>>
>>> I live between 2? AM Broadcast stations.? First Station KVOI 1030 AM @ 10 
>>> KW? day, 1kw? night 2 miles south.
>>>
>>>
>>> Second StationKUAT 1550 AM @ 50KW? day time only.? No night time power 2 
>>> miles north.
>>>
>>>
>>> My question is how well will the K4 perform in this environment? The only 
>>> problem with the K 3 is caused
>>>
>>>
>>> by rusty fences etc radiating a mix between stations.? Day time 75 -80 not 
>>> usable some of the time.
>>>
>>>
>>> This is not? a overload problem, just spurs.
>>>
>>>
>>> Ralph, W7HSG
>


From Gary at ka1j.com  Tue Jul 23 19:46:16 2019
From: Gary at ka1j.com (Gary Smith)
Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2019 19:46:16 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Not Zeroed
In-Reply-To: <334ad7e4393c5f822ef9e51f163494d5@sonic.net>
References: <CAFA9ujtZKO6t3KWXOvYWJx+4CdK+Rp5G3ymbqh61wtyj8LHF9w@mail.gmail.com>,
	<C993A328-20FB-48E3-8CA3-D0171B8A1B74@blomand.net>,
	<334ad7e4393c5f822ef9e51f163494d5@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <5D379C48.24301.971222@Gary.ka1j.com>

This may be too simplistic or doesn't 
address the OP as well as it could but...

I do have an external 10M reference, a 
GPSDO and use that to keep the K3s in 
proper frequency adjustment. That said, 
the instructions in the K3 or K3s manual 
address how to zero beat a known frequency 
source like WWV.

Once the K3/K3s is adjusted to be 
accurately on the exact frequency (ie: 
15.000000). I then go to the P3 and at the 
narrowest "Span" option on the P3, select 
"Ref Cal" from the menu button. and move 
the signal; till it is at dead center on 
the screen, right in the center of the 
15.000000 MHz signal, right at the center 
mark.

I then tap select and this returns the P3 
to normal function. This leaves me with a 
monitor that shows exactly where signals 
are and when I use the marker function, it 
lands that chosen signal dead center and 
the K3s reflects it as well as the P3.

Nothing like a cool smoothie on a hot 
day...

73,

Gary
KA1J


From w7hsg at comcast.net  Tue Jul 23 19:49:20 2019
From: w7hsg at comcast.net (RALPH TURK)
Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2019 17:49:20 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [Elecraft] Reflector test
Message-ID: <846592478.400672.1563925760831@connect.xfinity.com>

Testing to see if My email shows up.


From lists at subich.com  Tue Jul 23 20:10:07 2019
From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV)
Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2019 20:10:07 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: K4 SDR version
In-Reply-To: <7718423c-1cd3-5373-f0f8-4563d9f4f5b9@triconet.org>
References: <1576460682.107227.1563896375526@connect.xfinity.com>
	<1620975487.219534.1563900875501@connect.xfinity.com>
	<8d1a149c-baa0-a999-a748-54ee07da2054@triconet.org>
	<7718423c-1cd3-5373-f0f8-4563d9f4f5b9@triconet.org>
Message-ID: <2522f7f0-79fc-25dd-5a33-b146ec47bd00@subich.com>

On 2019-07-23 7:42 PM, Wes wrote:
> Why escapes me, as there is no one to service in my direction.

Typically AM patterns are designed to put nulls in the direction
of stations that a secondary user of a frequency must protect.
 From the list of stations on 1030, I suspect KVOI is required to
protect WBZ (Boston), KTWO (Casper WY) and possibly XEQR (Mexico
City).

Looking at the protection requirements along with what is possible
when it comes to antenna patterns will often lead one to understand
the reason for "crazy" patterns (particularly nigh time patterns).

73,

    ... Joe, W4TV


On 2019-07-23 7:42 PM, Wes wrote:
> I should add that KVOI runs a directional antenna with the (crazy) 
> pattern peak pointed in my direction.? Why escapes me, as there is no 
> one to service in my direction.
> 
> 
> On 7/23/2019 2:58 PM, Wes wrote:
>> Ralph,
>>
>> KVOI is -7 dBm here on my 40-meter dipole.? On the 160 antenna it's 
>> about 3 dB higher but that's folded over for the lightning season,  
>> Despite running 7 dB more power and not being a much different 
>> distance KUAZ is about 13 dB weaker.? I guess that's why the 
>> commercial owner gave it to the U of A, took a tax write off and lets 
>> the taxpayers fund it.? KFLF, (50 KW) further away still is -6 dBm.
>>
>> My SDR-IQs handle this just fine.? I briefly owned an RSP-2 Pro that 
>> folded up like a cheap suitcase and was unusable on any frequency and 
>> it supposedly has a BCB filter.? I suspect that the K4 will be unfazed.
>>
>>
>> Wes? N7WS
>>


From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Tue Jul 23 20:58:39 2019
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2019 17:58:39 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: K4 SDR version
In-Reply-To: <7718423c-1cd3-5373-f0f8-4563d9f4f5b9@triconet.org>
References: <1576460682.107227.1563896375526@connect.xfinity.com>
	<1620975487.219534.1563900875501@connect.xfinity.com>
	<8d1a149c-baa0-a999-a748-54ee07da2054@triconet.org>
	<7718423c-1cd3-5373-f0f8-4563d9f4f5b9@triconet.org>
Message-ID: <ea09f346-e47d-88c6-a0a8-9fd95dda60d1@audiosystemsgroup.com>

Actually different patterns day and night.
https://transition.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/amq?list=0&facid=13969

73, Jim K9YC

On 7/23/2019 4:42 PM, Wes wrote:
> I should add that KVOI runs a directional antenna with the (crazy) 
> pattern peak pointed in my direction.? Why escapes me, as there is no 
> one to service in my direction. 



From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Tue Jul 23 21:04:21 2019
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2019 18:04:21 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: K4 SDR version
In-Reply-To: <2522f7f0-79fc-25dd-5a33-b146ec47bd00@subich.com>
References: <1576460682.107227.1563896375526@connect.xfinity.com>
	<1620975487.219534.1563900875501@connect.xfinity.com>
	<8d1a149c-baa0-a999-a748-54ee07da2054@triconet.org>
	<7718423c-1cd3-5373-f0f8-4563d9f4f5b9@triconet.org>
	<2522f7f0-79fc-25dd-5a33-b146ec47bd00@subich.com>
Message-ID: <21bf7af9-fdeb-54db-7252-1355d78e981e@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On 7/23/2019 5:10 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:
> Typically AM patterns are designed to put nulls in the direction
> of stations that a secondary user of a frequency must protect. 

One of my coop jobs from the University of Cincinnati was working in the 
engineering office of a broadcast consultant designing those arrays. 
Several decades ago, the AM Rules were revised to greatly reduce the 
protection given to Clear Channel stations like WBZ.

73, Jim K9YC



From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Tue Jul 23 21:09:29 2019
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2019 20:09:29 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Not Zeroed
In-Reply-To: <CAFA9uju91HkOkz_6DDiAuKj9dSDob=DzCg7wFvexNU3BLkdheg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFA9ujtZKO6t3KWXOvYWJx+4CdK+Rp5G3ymbqh61wtyj8LHF9w@mail.gmail.com>
	<801ba8de-1155-0e6f-aedd-99fb58380be1@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<CAFA9ujv_H2aMfMgoU9VqS1J-ioUnbxM5F2TJY-cZTXOvsDRFyg@mail.gmail.com>
	<C993A328-20FB-48E3-8CA3-D0171B8A1B74@blomand.net>
	<334ad7e4393c5f822ef9e51f163494d5@sonic.net>
	<4cb6d8e5-ae1e-b833-2b1a-b37cddbb4146@subich.com>
	<CAFA9uju91HkOkz_6DDiAuKj9dSDob=DzCg7wFvexNU3BLkdheg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <53ea20c8-6d0c-3098-0d8c-70ba66a8a4ab@blomand.net>

Just checked my K3S and P3 using WWV 5.0 MHz and 15.0MHz.? The error 
indicated on the radio is 1 to 2 Hz low.? The P3 is correct for both 
frequencies with a Ref Cal value of -55 for both frequencies.

My K3S calibration method uses CW mode, with CWT active and press SPOT.? 
That will zero the radio to the WWV carrier frequency and account for 
the user selected sidetone frequency. ? It will indicate such on VFO A 
showing any + or - difference. 14.999.999 a 1 Hz error and? 4.999.998 a 
2 Hz error.? The P2 shows the exact frequency with MKR A on both WWV 
frequencies.

All good enough for me.

73

Bob, K4TAX


On 7/23/2019 2:55 PM, Kevin, N4TT wrote:
> Thanks all!
>
> There's a ref cal on the K3s. I ran through the procedure for that using 15
> MHz and rechecked on 10 MHz. Seems this was quite a bit off. Now, not only
> is it lining up on WWV but also any CW signal I select lines up very
> closely between the marker on the P3 and a 600 Hz marker on fldigi with the
> sidetone set to 600.
>
> A thing I noticed. When making the adjustment on the P3 the offset would be
> different for different signals. 15 MHz was 263 while 10 MHz was 210. So
> there was no one-size-fits-all adjustment there. On the K3s, I adjusted for
> 15 and everything came into sync including the P3, which now reads 12 for
> the ref adjustment and is consistent across a number of signals.
>
>
> Learning more every day. And liking it more.
>
> 73,
> Kev N4TT
>
> On Tue, Jul 23, 2019 at 2:38 PM Joe Subich, W4TV <lists at subich.com> wrote:
>
>> On 2019-07-23 12:47 PM, Alan Bloom wrote:
>>   > Also be aware that the center frequency differs depending on mode.
>>
>> The P3 *should be able to account for that* by using the FI get:
>>
>>> FI * (I.F. Center Frequency; GET only)
>>> RSP format: Finnnn; where nnnn represents the last 4 digits of the
>>> K3?s present I.F. center frequency in Hz.  Example: If nnnn = 5000,
>>> the I.F. center frequency is 8215000 Hz.  Intended for use with
>>> panadapters, which need to keep track of the exact I.F. center
>>> frequency as filter bandwidths and shifts are changed by the
>>> operator.
>> 73,
>>
>>      ... Joe, W4TV
>>
>>
>> On 2019-07-23 12:47 PM, Alan Bloom wrote:
>>> Good advice.
>>>
>>> Also be aware that the center frequency differs depending on mode.  For
>>> example, it is the supressed carrier frequency on SSB but is offset by
>>> typically 600 Hz on CW.
>>>
>>> I like to use AM mode for frequeny calibration.  After doing a frequency
>>> calibration on the K3, tune to a signal on the AM broadcast band and
>>> adjust the P3 frequency calibration.  (MENU:RefCal.  Cal procedurre is
>>> on page 39 of the manual)  As I recall, AM broadcast stations are
>>> required to be within 20 Hz of nominal frequency but are typically much
>>> closer than that.
>>>
>>> Alan N1AL
>>>
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From w4wfb at yahoo.com  Tue Jul 23 23:47:54 2019
From: w4wfb at yahoo.com (Roy Morris, Jr.)
Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2019 23:47:54 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 no RF Output
Message-ID: <mailman.554.1563940084.2815.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>

Check your TMP cable connections.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10


From wes_n7ws at triconet.org  Wed Jul 24 07:35:21 2019
From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes)
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2019 04:35:21 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: K4 SDR version
In-Reply-To: <2522f7f0-79fc-25dd-5a33-b146ec47bd00@subich.com>
References: <1576460682.107227.1563896375526@connect.xfinity.com>
	<1620975487.219534.1563900875501@connect.xfinity.com> <8d1a149c-b
	aa0-a999-a748-54ee07da2054@triconet.org>
	<7718423c-1cd3-5373-f0f8-4563d9f4f5b9@triconet.org>
	<2522f7f0-79fc-25dd-5a33-b146ec47bd00@subich.com>
Message-ID: <c60b9986-1d0e-e3a5-3e93-2b4e766e7c0d@triconet.org>

I understand that, however the weird pattern is daytime and nulls some of their 
service area. I doubt they are protecting any of those stations, especially as I 
understand it protection only extends 750 miles anyway..? The nighttime pattern 
is more-or-less a cardioid, without any deep nulls, and pointed south toward 
downtown.

Wes? N7WS

On 7/23/2019 5:10 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:
> On 2019-07-23 7:42 PM, Wes wrote:
>> Why escapes me, as there is no one to service in my direction.
>
> Typically AM patterns are designed to put nulls in the direction
> of stations that a secondary user of a frequency must protect.
> From the list of stations on 1030, I suspect KVOI is required to
> protect WBZ (Boston), KTWO (Casper WY) and possibly XEQR (Mexico
> City).
>
> Looking at the protection requirements along with what is possible
> when it comes to antenna patterns will often lead one to understand
> the reason for "crazy" patterns (particularly nigh time patterns).
>
> 73,
>
> ?? ... Joe, W4TV 


From pubx1 at af2z.net  Wed Jul 24 10:48:25 2019
From: pubx1 at af2z.net (Drew AF2Z)
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2019 10:48:25 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] equalizer on k4
In-Reply-To: <0B62F429-6E8A-4CBA-9ADF-5F3ABDCB4A7B@elecraft.com>
References: <CAMRhQ7JZeTNc=t3aLvLoS7ZLqDrRBFqzGJu2Ce9g7AjZYd4iog@mail.gmail.com>
	<0B62F429-6E8A-4CBA-9ADF-5F3ABDCB4A7B@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <564e9e03-66e5-cfc2-dc90-e09084a0f49a@af2z.net>

Will we be able to adjust the pitch of a CW signal in "real time"? 
(Unlike the K3.)

73,
Drew
AF2Z


On 07/23/19 12:21, Wayne Burdick wrote:
> Yes. So is the EQ on our other transceivers.
> 
> EQ on the K4 will be more easily adjustable, with a much better user interface, thanks to the large LCD.
> 
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR
> 
> ----
> elecraft.com
> 
>> On Jul 23, 2019, at 8:35 AM, Richard Donner <richarddnnr2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Does anyone know if the equalizer on the K4  is going to be  adjustable
>> real time so that you can listen to a station and adjust the equalizer as
>> you listen to the station.
>> Richard
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From n6kr at elecraft.com  Wed Jul 24 10:55:38 2019
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2019 07:55:38 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] equalizer on k4
In-Reply-To: <564e9e03-66e5-cfc2-dc90-e09084a0f49a@af2z.net>
References: <CAMRhQ7JZeTNc=t3aLvLoS7ZLqDrRBFqzGJu2Ce9g7AjZYd4iog@mail.gmail.com>
	<0B62F429-6E8A-4CBA-9ADF-5F3ABDCB4A7B@elecraft.com>
	<564e9e03-66e5-cfc2-dc90-e09084a0f49a@af2z.net>
Message-ID: <D4FBFDA3-74A2-4EBF-AA3E-80C002F5F039@elecraft.com>

Yes. 

Wayne

----
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> On Jul 24, 2019, at 7:48 AM, Drew AF2Z <pubx1 at af2z.net> wrote:
> 
> Will we be able to adjust the pitch of a CW signal in "real time"? (Unlike the K3.)
> 
> 73,
> Drew
> AF2Z
> 
> 
>> On 07/23/19 12:21, Wayne Burdick wrote:
>> Yes. So is the EQ on our other transceivers.
>> EQ on the K4 will be more easily adjustable, with a much better user interface, thanks to the large LCD.
>> 73,
>> Wayne
>> N6KR
>> ----
>> elecraft.com
>>> On Jul 23, 2019, at 8:35 AM, Richard Donner <richarddnnr2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Does anyone know if the equalizer on the K4  is going to be  adjustable
>>> real time so that you can listen to a station and adjust the equalizer as
>>> you listen to the station.
>>> Richard
>>> ______________________________________________________________
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From doc.lock at fast-mail.net  Wed Jul 24 11:12:54 2019
From: doc.lock at fast-mail.net (Peter Lock)
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2019 08:12:54 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] K-Pod function buttons not apparently working
In-Reply-To: <1562848708247-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1562684386157-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<20190709131450.Horde.qW_1IVXeyg5gEemqaR8SxfQ@www11.qth.com>
	<1562848708247-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <1563981174998-0.post@n2.nabble.com>

To anyone who was following this thread, I have had the following response
from the support team at Elecraft:

Hello Peter,

Doug is out on vacation right now.  However, I talked to our K3 technician
here and we do not know of a way to send macros to a P3 from a K-Pod.  The
K-Pod plays back existing macros on a K3, and even without using a K-Pod, I
cannot use P3 macros on a K3 and have them get sent to the P3.  The K3
interprets them as K3 macros, which are often invalid for the K3.  The
reason it would work from the utility would be because the utility is
sending the macros over the serial connection, which is shared between the
K3 and the P3, so the P3 acts on the macros when it sees them.  I hope that
helps.

Rob
Elecraft Customer Support




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From ghyoungman at gmail.com  Wed Jul 24 16:04:47 2019
From: ghyoungman at gmail.com (Grant Youngman)
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2019 16:04:47 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 EXRef
Message-ID: <6C08E8A2-C7E9-4D84-A66A-A4C2D09321AF@gmail.com>

Does anyone know (or perhaps Elecraft could chime in) whether the EXREF equivalent is a ?standard feature? of the K4 or an option?  And if it is an option, whether it will be available at the time of initial K4 shipments?

Thanks ...
Grant NQ5T
K3 #2091 KX3 #8342


From n6kr at elecraft.com  Wed Jul 24 16:38:44 2019
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2019 13:38:44 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 EXRef
In-Reply-To: <6C08E8A2-C7E9-4D84-A66A-A4C2D09321AF@gmail.com>
References: <6C08E8A2-C7E9-4D84-A66A-A4C2D09321AF@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <42330CB3-2B42-404A-AD2A-8B0CC6F1F011@elecraft.com>

Standard. 

Wayne

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> On Jul 24, 2019, at 1:04 PM, Grant Youngman <ghyoungman at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Does anyone know (or perhaps Elecraft could chime in) whether the EXREF equivalent is a ?standard feature? of the K4 or an option?  And if it is an option, whether it will be available at the time of initial K4 shipments?
> 
> Thanks ...
> Grant NQ5T
> K3 #2091 KX3 #8342
> 
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From ghyoungman at gmail.com  Wed Jul 24 17:18:33 2019
From: ghyoungman at gmail.com (Grant Youngman)
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2019 17:18:33 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 EXRef
In-Reply-To: <42330CB3-2B42-404A-AD2A-8B0CC6F1F011@elecraft.com>
References: <6C08E8A2-C7E9-4D84-A66A-A4C2D09321AF@gmail.com>
	<42330CB3-2B42-404A-AD2A-8B0CC6F1F011@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <389B8E81-AD58-44DE-8E20-923BD2000531@gmail.com>

Great!!

Thanks .. Grant/NQ5T

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 24, 2019, at 4:38 PM, Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com> wrote:
> 
> Standard. 
> 
> Wayne
> 
> ----
> elecraft.com
> 
>> On Jul 24, 2019, at 1:04 PM, Grant Youngman <ghyoungman at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Does anyone know (or perhaps Elecraft could chime in) whether the EXREF equivalent is a ?standard feature? of the K4 or an option?  And if it is an option, whether it will be available at the time of initial K4 shipments?
>> 
>> Thanks ...
>> Grant NQ5T
>> K3 #2091 KX3 #8342
>> 
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From mpridesti at yahoo.com  Thu Jul 25 08:24:17 2019
From: mpridesti at yahoo.com (Mpridesti)
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2019 08:24:17 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Sudden K3 failure
Message-ID: <87D3FFEC-4271-415E-98B4-1879A2F6D17D@yahoo.com>

Yesterday while just listening to a SSB QSO, the receiver just went quiet and when I tried to transmit, got nothing. 

Power setting was at 75 watts and varied properly but meter and external output monitor was showing nothing. 

Thought the filters stopped passing RF. 

Rechecked the filter settings on the Utility program and all seemed normal (no change).  

What could cause the radio to behave like this? During receive?

Regards,

Mark, K1RX



From gkidder at ilstu.edu  Thu Jul 25 09:19:03 2019
From: gkidder at ilstu.edu (Kidder, George)
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2019 13:19:03 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Sudden K3 failure
In-Reply-To: <87D3FFEC-4271-415E-98B4-1879A2F6D17D@yahoo.com>
References: <87D3FFEC-4271-415E-98B4-1879A2F6D17D@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <51aa9dc6-6c2a-f322-5a27-d7f8a6daaec3@ilstu.edu>


Always try reloading your backup configuration.? Usually works for me.

George, W3HBM

On 7/25/2019 8:24 AM, Mpridesti via Elecraft wrote:
> [This message came from an external source. If suspicious, report to abuse at ilstu.edu<mailto:abuse at ilstu.edu>]
>
> Yesterday while just listening to a SSB QSO, the receiver just went quiet and when I tried to transmit, got nothing.
>
> Power setting was at 75 watts and varied properly but meter and external output monitor was showing nothing.
>
> Thought the filters stopped passing RF.
>
> Rechecked the filter settings on the Utility program and all seemed normal (no change).
>
> What could cause the radio to behave like this? During receive?
>
> Regards,
>
> Mark, K1RX
>
>
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From mpridesti at yahoo.com  Thu Jul 25 09:40:24 2019
From: mpridesti at yahoo.com (Mpridesti)
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2019 09:40:24 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Sudden K3 failure
In-Reply-To: <87D3FFEC-4271-415E-98B4-1879A2F6D17D@yahoo.com>
References: <87D3FFEC-4271-415E-98B4-1879A2F6D17D@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <0E0901AD-8892-4ADB-9670-DF463D9AE207@yahoo.com>

Appreciate all the suggestions 

Will address later today and will advise 

Regards,

Mark, K1RX


> On Jul 25, 2019, at 8:24 AM, Mpridesti via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
> 
> Yesterday while just listening to a SSB QSO, the receiver just went quiet and when I tried to transmit, got nothing. 
> 
> Power setting was at 75 watts and varied properly but meter and external output monitor was showing nothing. 
> 
> Thought the filters stopped passing RF. 
> 
> Rechecked the filter settings on the Utility program and all seemed normal (no change).  
> 
> What could cause the radio to behave like this? During receive?
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Mark, K1RX
> 
> 
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From mpridesti at yahoo.com  Thu Jul 25 10:30:25 2019
From: mpridesti at yahoo.com (Mpridesti)
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2019 10:30:25 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Sudden K3 failure
In-Reply-To: <0E0901AD-8892-4ADB-9670-DF463D9AE207@yahoo.com>
References: <87D3FFEC-4271-415E-98B4-1879A2F6D17D@yahoo.com>
	<0E0901AD-8892-4ADB-9670-DF463D9AE207@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <B53A2CB9-F97F-420D-8AB7-6DE132F03120@yahoo.com>

Interesting 

Powered up radio again and worked fine again.  Within minutes failed again so I am suspecting the tmp connectors as suggested by K1XX (and others) and the SYM area. 

Regards,

Mark, K1RX


> On Jul 25, 2019, at 9:40 AM, Mpridesti via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
> 
> Appreciate all the suggestions 
> 
> Will address later today and will advise 
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Mark, K1RX
> 
> 
>> On Jul 25, 2019, at 8:24 AM, Mpridesti via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
>> 
>> Yesterday while just listening to a SSB QSO, the receiver just went quiet and when I tried to transmit, got nothing. 
>> 
>> Power setting was at 75 watts and varied properly but meter and external output monitor was showing nothing. 
>> 
>> Thought the filters stopped passing RF. 
>> 
>> Rechecked the filter settings on the Utility program and all seemed normal (no change).  
>> 
>> What could cause the radio to behave like this? During receive?
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Mark, K1RX
>> 
>> 
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From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Thu Jul 25 10:42:24 2019
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2019 10:42:24 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Sudden K3 failure
In-Reply-To: <B53A2CB9-F97F-420D-8AB7-6DE132F03120@yahoo.com>
References: <87D3FFEC-4271-415E-98B4-1879A2F6D17D@yahoo.com>
	<0E0901AD-8892-4ADB-9670-DF463D9AE207@yahoo.com>
	<B53A2CB9-F97F-420D-8AB7-6DE132F03120@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <7e1b0972-aadd-e5cf-fd09-58484e619357@embarqmail.com>

Mark,

While you may be correct about the TMP connectors, open the K3 and 
rotate the TMP connectors a bit to wipe away any oxidation.

If it continues to fail after that, email support at elecraft.com for 
further ideas on how to proceed.  Tell them what you have attempted so far.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 7/25/2019 10:30 AM, Mpridesti via Elecraft wrote:
> Interesting
> 
> Powered up radio again and worked fine again.  Within minutes failed again so I am suspecting the tmp connectors as suggested by K1XX (and others) and the SYM area.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Mark, K1RX
> 
> 
>> On Jul 25, 2019, at 9:40 AM, Mpridesti via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
>>
>> Appreciate all the suggestions
>>
>> Will address later today and will advise
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Mark, K1RX
>>
>>
>>> On Jul 25, 2019, at 8:24 AM, Mpridesti via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> Yesterday while just listening to a SSB QSO, the receiver just went quiet and when I tried to transmit, got nothing.
>>>
>>> Power setting was at 75 watts and varied properly but meter and external output monitor was showing nothing.
>>>
>>> Thought the filters stopped passing RF.
>>>
>>> Rechecked the filter settings on the Utility program and all seemed normal (no change).
>>>
>>> What could cause the radio to behave like this? During receive?
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Mark, K1RX
>>>
>>>
>>> ______________________________________________________________
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From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Thu Jul 25 11:00:40 2019
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2019 11:00:40 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Not Zeroed
In-Reply-To: <CAFA9ujufdFPUGo5R94bz7zJTZDCQfY-w3o=NdHNhCazOYUmC5w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFA9ujtZKO6t3KWXOvYWJx+4CdK+Rp5G3ymbqh61wtyj8LHF9w@mail.gmail.com>
	<801ba8de-1155-0e6f-aedd-99fb58380be1@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<CAFA9ujv_H2aMfMgoU9VqS1J-ioUnbxM5F2TJY-cZTXOvsDRFyg@mail.gmail.com>
	<C993A328-20FB-48E3-8CA3-D0171B8A1B74@blomand.net>
	<334ad7e4393c5f822ef9e51f163494d5@sonic.net>
	<CAFA9ujufdFPUGo5R94bz7zJTZDCQfY-w3o=NdHNhCazOYUmC5w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3b632820-7118-3472-c55d-79c43f6a4fd3@embarqmail.com>

Kev,

I believe that Alan's response, while correct is a bit confusing.
In CW mode, a signal at 7.035,000 kHz should be shown at 7.035,000 MHz.
OTOH, an SSB signal with a suppressed carrier frequency of 7.135,000 MHz 
will show the suppressed carrier frequency as the center, but the 
intelligence of the sidebands will appear above or below the center 
frequency (depends on USB or LSB).  Data modes will be similar to SSB.

I am not certain why Alan prefers using a BCB signal, but WWV is an AM 
signal with defined frequency and tone frequencies.  IMHO, it is better 
than a broadcast signal for calibration and assessment purposes if used 
in SSB mode.  In CW mode, where the carrier frequency is important, 
Alan's choice may be good.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 7/23/2019 2:31 PM, Kevin, N4TT wrote:
> Maybe that's the basic question...
> 
> If I tune the radio to 7.035 to set a CW signal for a pitch of 600 Hz (as
> set using the PITCH function) what should I expect to see on the P3?
> 
> 1) The P3 shows 7.035 and the CW signal is offset from the center by 600 Hz?
> 
> 2) The P3 shows 7.035 and compensates for the pitch placing the CW signal
> directly under the cursor?
> 
> 3) The P3 shows 7.035600 placing the CW signal directly under the cursor?
> 
> I expect #2.
> 
> I'll be trying out more this evening.
> 
> Kev
> 
> On Tue, Jul 23, 2019 at 12:47 PM Alan Bloom <n1al at sonic.net> wrote:
> 
>> Good advice.
>>
>>
>> Also be aware that the center frequency differs depending on mode.  For
>> example, it is the supressed carrier frequency on SSB but is offset by
>> typically 600 Hz on CW.
>>
>>
>> I like to use AM mode for frequeny calibration.  After doing a frequency
>> calibration on the K3, tune to a signal on the AM broadcast band and adjust
>> the P3 frequency calibration.  (MENU:RefCal.  Cal procedurre is on page 39
>> of the manual)  As I recall, AM broadcast stations are required to be
>> within 20 Hz of nominal frequency but are typically much closer than that.

From kl7uw at acsalaska.net  Thu Jul 25 11:20:19 2019
From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole)
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2019 07:20:19 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Dummy Load
Message-ID: <201907251520.x6PFKLK0011865@mail40c28.carrierzone.com>

Don-K8MFO and I attended MSU together in the 1960's; old time 
friend.  We visited him at his home in OH a couple years ago and 
found he was in the Christmas tree business (my parents ran a 
Christmas tree farm).  Don has been a long time Dxer and CW buff (has 
a tremendous collection of keys).

Don't recall but I think Don has Elecraft gear in addition to his 
collection of oldies.  Thanks for reminding me of my old friend!

Someday I will load my invert-L to operate 160.

73, Ed - KL7UW ex-K8MWA

From: Jim Danehy <jsdanehy at gmail.com>
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] Dummy Load
Message-ID: <0A44F6BF-177A-43F7-BE5B-F3AE9A6E4ED7 at gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain;       charset=us-ascii

I worked K8MFO on 160 which is 250 miles from me. Used a Heathkit 
Dummy loaf with oil in the can.


73, Ed - KL7UW
   http://www.kl7uw.com
Dubus-NA Business mail:
   dubususa at gmail.com 


From n1al at sonic.net  Thu Jul 25 12:18:43 2019
From: n1al at sonic.net (Alan Bloom)
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2019 09:18:43 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Not Zeroed
In-Reply-To: <3b632820-7118-3472-c55d-79c43f6a4fd3@embarqmail.com>
References: <CAFA9ujtZKO6t3KWXOvYWJx+4CdK+Rp5G3ymbqh61wtyj8LHF9w@mail.gmail.com>
	<801ba8de-1155-0e6f-aedd-99fb58380be1@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<CAFA9ujv_H2aMfMgoU9VqS1J-ioUnbxM5F2TJY-cZTXOvsDRFyg@mail.gmail.com>
	<C993A328-20FB-48E3-8CA3-D0171B8A1B74@blomand.net>
	<334ad7e4393c5f822ef9e51f163494d5@sonic.net>
	<CAFA9ujufdFPUGo5R94bz7zJTZDCQfY-w3o=NdHNhCazOYUmC5w@mail.gmail.com>
	<3b632820-7118-3472-c55d-79c43f6a4fd3@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <174168419e69913a76dc7ee866d116da@sonic.net>

Re: choice of test signal for calibrating the P3 

> I am not certain why Alan prefers using a BCB signal, but WWV is an AM signal 

> with defined frequency and tone frequencies. 

Two reasons.  The main one is that the local AM station's signal doesn't
depend on propagation.  It is always there, day or night, with no
fading.  The other reason is that the relatively low frequency is less
affected by the K3 calibration.  For calibrating the P3 that gives a
slight advantage. 

But WWV works fine also. 

Alan

From jamesd at moselle.com  Thu Jul 25 12:29:09 2019
From: jamesd at moselle.com (James Doty)
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2019 09:29:09 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Elecraft] [K2] Very Low SSB on 20 Meters
Message-ID: <alpine.BSF.2.21.9999.1907250915520.61234@tara.moselle.com>

Hi all:

I didn't build my K2, I bought it second hand in excellent condition a
few years ago and really love it.

My K2 came with all the trimmings, Jessie (KB7PSG) and I added a 6 meter
transverter plus the 60 meter transverter and until recently everything
worked fine.

During Field Day this year I was working 20 watts SSB and noticed I had
almost no output power, I switched to an old Alinco we have as a backup
radio.

After Field Day we set my radio back up on my desk and it was working
great.  I figured bad connection, at least at first.  I was working 40
meters no problem, but when I switched to 20 meters, again almost no
output power.

I played with all the bands I have antennas for and found that from 6 to
80 meters, 80 being marginal for my antennas, everything was good except
20 meters.

The problem doesn't affect CW at all on any band so I figured it has to be
a problem on the SSB board, but I don't know where to look.

Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks.

From nr4c at widomaker.com  Thu Jul 25 12:38:00 2019
From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c)
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2019 12:38:00 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Sudden K3 failure
In-Reply-To: <7e1b0972-aadd-e5cf-fd09-58484e619357@embarqmail.com>
References: <87D3FFEC-4271-415E-98B4-1879A2F6D17D@yahoo.com>
	<0E0901AD-8892-4ADB-9670-DF463D9AE207@yahoo.com>
	<B53A2CB9-F97F-420D-8AB7-6DE132F03120@yahoo.com>
	<7e1b0972-aadd-e5cf-fd09-58484e619357@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <4943FF9A-C9E0-4143-AC25-A7229D234C4E@widomaker.com>

I would get some Deoxit and remove the KPA3 from the main board.  Apply minimal amount of Deixit to the connector pins and insert/remove the Amp about 10 or 15 times. Wipe pins with lint free tissue and re-apply Deoxit (use toothpick) and insert the amp firmly and reassembled the radio.  

Let us know what/when you solve this. 

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill


> On Jul 25, 2019, at 10:42 AM, Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Mark,
> 
> While you may be correct about the TMP connectors, open the K3 and rotate the TMP connectors a bit to wipe away any oxidation.
> 
> If it continues to fail after that, email support at elecraft.com for further ideas on how to proceed.  Tell them what you have attempted so far.
> 
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
> 
>> On 7/25/2019 10:30 AM, Mpridesti via Elecraft wrote:
>> Interesting
>> Powered up radio again and worked fine again.  Within minutes failed again so I am suspecting the tmp connectors as suggested by K1XX (and others) and the SYM area.
>> Regards,
>> Mark, K1RX
>>> On Jul 25, 2019, at 9:40 AM, Mpridesti via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Appreciate all the suggestions
>>> 
>>> Will address later today and will advise
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> 
>>> Mark, K1RX
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Jul 25, 2019, at 8:24 AM, Mpridesti via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Yesterday while just listening to a SSB QSO, the receiver just went quiet and when I tried to transmit, got nothing.
>>>> 
>>>> Power setting was at 75 watts and varied properly but meter and external output monitor was showing nothing.
>>>> 
>>>> Thought the filters stopped passing RF.
>>>> 


From donovanf at starpower.net  Thu Jul 25 12:43:38 2019
From: donovanf at starpower.net (donovanf at starpower.net)
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2019 12:43:38 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Elecraft] Sudden K3 failure
In-Reply-To: <87D3FFEC-4271-415E-98B4-1879A2F6D17D@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <895039999.22705674.1564073018580.JavaMail.root@starpower.net>

Hi Mark, 


You problem sounds exactly like this report: 


http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-No-Receive-No-Transmit-SOLVED-td7609301.html 


73 
Frank 
W3LPL 

----- Original Message -----

From: "Mpridesti via Elecraft" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> 
To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net 
Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2019 12:24:17 PM 
Subject: [Elecraft] Sudden K3 failure 

Yesterday while just listening to a SSB QSO, the receiver just went quiet and when I tried to transmit, got nothing. 

Power setting was at 75 watts and varied properly but meter and external output monitor was showing nothing. 

Thought the filters stopped passing RF. 

Rechecked the filter settings on the Utility program and all seemed normal (no change). 

What could cause the radio to behave like this? During receive? 

Regards, 

Mark, K1RX 


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From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Thu Jul 25 13:27:16 2019
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2019 13:27:16 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] [K2] Very Low SSB on 20 Meters
In-Reply-To: <alpine.BSF.2.21.9999.1907250915520.61234@tara.moselle.com>
References: <alpine.BSF.2.21.9999.1907250915520.61234@tara.moselle.com>
Message-ID: <3a68b311-5573-3ae9-506c-a95805f78b27@embarqmail.com>

James,

There is no band dependency on the KSB2 option board, if it works on one 
band, it will work on other bands.  Although it could be a LSB is OK, 
but USB is not - try it on 17 meter SSB.  Try it on 17 meter SSB.

Try a Direct Frequency Entry to anywhere in the 20 meter band to be 
certain one of your FD "friends" did not tune the VFO from one band to 
another without using the band buttons.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 7/25/2019 12:29 PM, James Doty wrote:
> Hi all:
> 
> I didn't build my K2, I bought it second hand in excellent condition a
> few years ago and really love it.
> 
> My K2 came with all the trimmings, Jessie (KB7PSG) and I added a 6 meter
> transverter plus the 60 meter transverter and until recently everything
> worked fine.
> 
> During Field Day this year I was working 20 watts SSB and noticed I had
> almost no output power, I switched to an old Alinco we have as a backup
> radio.
> 
> After Field Day we set my radio back up on my desk and it was working
> great.? I figured bad connection, at least at first.? I was working 40
> meters no problem, but when I switched to 20 meters, again almost no
> output power.
> 
> I played with all the bands I have antennas for and found that from 6 to
> 80 meters, 80 being marginal for my antennas, everything was good except
> 20 meters.
> 
> The problem doesn't affect CW at all on any band so I figured it has to be
> a problem on the SSB board, but I don't know where to look.
> 

From jamesd at moselle.com  Thu Jul 25 13:54:15 2019
From: jamesd at moselle.com (James Doty)
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2019 10:54:15 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Elecraft] [K2] Very Low SSB on 20 Meters
In-Reply-To: <3a68b311-5573-3ae9-506c-a95805f78b27@embarqmail.com>
References: <alpine.BSF.2.21.9999.1907250915520.61234@tara.moselle.com>
	<3a68b311-5573-3ae9-506c-a95805f78b27@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.BSF.2.21.9999.1907251053000.61234@tara.moselle.com>

Those are excellent suggestions, especially about trying USB on another
band.  That hadn't even occurred to me.  Thank you, I'll try your
suggestions.

On Thu, 25 Jul 2019, Don Wilhelm wrote:

> James,
>
> There is no band dependency on the KSB2 option board, if it works on one 
> band, it will work on other bands.  Although it could be a LSB is OK, but USB 
> is not - try it on 17 meter SSB.  Try it on 17 meter SSB.
>
> Try a Direct Frequency Entry to anywhere in the 20 meter band to be certain 
> one of your FD "friends" did not tune the VFO from one band to another 
> without using the band buttons.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 7/25/2019 12:29 PM, James Doty wrote:
>> Hi all:
>> 
>> I didn't build my K2, I bought it second hand in excellent condition a
>> few years ago and really love it.
>> 
>> My K2 came with all the trimmings, Jessie (KB7PSG) and I added a 6 meter
>> transverter plus the 60 meter transverter and until recently everything
>> worked fine.
>> 
>> During Field Day this year I was working 20 watts SSB and noticed I had
>> almost no output power, I switched to an old Alinco we have as a backup
>> radio.
>> 
>> After Field Day we set my radio back up on my desk and it was working
>> great.? I figured bad connection, at least at first.? I was working 40
>> meters no problem, but when I switched to 20 meters, again almost no
>> output power.
>> 
>> I played with all the bands I have antennas for and found that from 6 to
>> 80 meters, 80 being marginal for my antennas, everything was good except
>> 20 meters.
>> 
>> The problem doesn't affect CW at all on any band so I figured it has to be
>> a problem on the SSB board, but I don't know where to look.
>> 
>

From ghyoungman at gmail.com  Thu Jul 25 14:33:59 2019
From: ghyoungman at gmail.com (Grant Youngman)
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2019 14:33:59 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] FS:  K3/P3
Message-ID: <1428623D-8EFA-4C7E-98C9-E258631271A5@gmail.com>

One more shot here before it goes elsewhere.

Very nice, fully featured K3/100, P3 for sale.  No dings, no scrapes, no dirt.  (Maybe some dust).  $3395, shipped UPS.

Details and photos are at this link:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ejKV67rN9lfuHUoDgHPsd-Zn8SGumkpe/view?usp=sharing

Please respond privately.

Grant NQ5T
K3 #2091 KX3 #8342


From no9e at arrl.net  Thu Jul 25 14:37:57 2019
From: no9e at arrl.net (Ignacy Misztal)
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2019 14:37:57 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA 1500 dummy load recommendations
In-Reply-To: <em5f7b747f-a802-4500-82ea-ff01d7684723@k8ut-pc>
References: <f997b81e-e8aa-2c42-f738-5659a85d42e7@gmail.com>
	<1563842583545-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<DM6PR02MB642718267B92D07E914FB6BFAAC70@dm6pr02mb6427.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
	<em5f7b747f-a802-4500-82ea-ff01d7684723@k8ut-pc>
Message-ID: <CA+yG_kFf7gp6O1Q=aNTfb-WM=TtgLrrhp3VvVSJATcMA4s7-MA@mail.gmail.com>

I usually do testing in CW or SSB. In CW the duty cycle is 50% and in SSB
about 10% with not too much processing. A few seconds is enough to diagnose
problems.

Years ago when testing a 200W home made amp I used 2W resistor immersed in
water. Worked good enough.
Perhaps for longer duty one can use cantenna dummy load ( MFJ-250), also
immersed in water. Or attach 1-2 small fans to MFJ-264.
Ignacy, NO9E

On Wed, Jul 24, 2019 at 11:06 AM Larry Gauthier (K8UT) <k8ut at k8ut.com>
wrote:

> Don,
>
> Look carefully at the power de-rating curve on your MFJ-264. I also own a
> KPA1500, and built my own DIY high power dummy load after seeing that my
> MFJ "1500 watt" dummy load can only handle 1500 watts for 8 seconds.
>
> -larry (K8UT)
>
> ------ Original Message ------
> From: "Don Schroder" <donanddeena at hotmail.com>
> To: "Ignacy" <no9e at arrl.net>; "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" <
> elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Sent: 2019-07-22 21:21:09
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA 1500 dummy load recommendations
>
> I also have a MFJ-264. I figured if I need a dummy load, go with one that
> will handle the most watts I will ever need.
> I don?t have much room, the MFJ-264 id s 1.5KW dry dummy load for
> 1-650MHz. A little smaller than a carton of cigs.
> Haven?t used it yet.
>
> Don, KE0PVQ
>
> Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
> Windows 10
>
> From: Ignacy<mailto:no9e at arrl.net>
> Sent: Monday, July 22, 2019 7:43 PM
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net<mailto:elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA 1500 dummy load recommendations
>
> I have MFJ-264 and MFJ-250. Both work. Aside from experiments , both are
> gathering dust as there is little purpose of using dummy loads for
> solid-state amps.
> Ignacy, NO9E
>
>
>
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From kkinderen at gmail.com  Thu Jul 25 14:41:19 2019
From: kkinderen at gmail.com (Kevin, N4TT)
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2019 14:41:19 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Not Zeroed
In-Reply-To: <3b632820-7118-3472-c55d-79c43f6a4fd3@embarqmail.com>
References: <CAFA9ujtZKO6t3KWXOvYWJx+4CdK+Rp5G3ymbqh61wtyj8LHF9w@mail.gmail.com>
	<801ba8de-1155-0e6f-aedd-99fb58380be1@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<CAFA9ujv_H2aMfMgoU9VqS1J-ioUnbxM5F2TJY-cZTXOvsDRFyg@mail.gmail.com>
	<C993A328-20FB-48E3-8CA3-D0171B8A1B74@blomand.net>
	<334ad7e4393c5f822ef9e51f163494d5@sonic.net>
	<CAFA9ujufdFPUGo5R94bz7zJTZDCQfY-w3o=NdHNhCazOYUmC5w@mail.gmail.com>
	<3b632820-7118-3472-c55d-79c43f6a4fd3@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFA9ujtvO49=Dj=L8md-Fg2xMfbq7YsBN-BDyijzqnOgnzTE1A@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Don:

I'm still checking things out but I think I have it all working together. I
calibrated the radio using WWV at 5, 10 and 15 MHz. I only had to line up
one and the other two fell right in. Then I went to the P3 and lined that
up with ref cal. Again, everything lined up at 5, 10 and 15.

Then I want back to fldigi which is where I originally noticed the
difference. I have the radio and fldigi set for a CW sidetone of 600 Hz.
When I would tune in the radio for the 600 Hz tone on a random CW signal,
the peak of the P3 trace was right over the signal and Fldigi showed the
signal up at  600 Hz. Everything matched. This is what I was looking for,
the three functions matching.

I think I'm in good shape.

Kev



On Thu, Jul 25, 2019 at 11:00 AM Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com> wrote:

> Kev,
>
> I believe that Alan's response, while correct is a bit confusing.
> In CW mode, a signal at 7.035,000 kHz should be shown at 7.035,000 MHz.
> OTOH, an SSB signal with a suppressed carrier frequency of 7.135,000 MHz
> will show the suppressed carrier frequency as the center, but the
> intelligence of the sidebands will appear above or below the center
> frequency (depends on USB or LSB).  Data modes will be similar to SSB.
>
> I am not certain why Alan prefers using a BCB signal, but WWV is an AM
> signal with defined frequency and tone frequencies.  IMHO, it is better
> than a broadcast signal for calibration and assessment purposes if used
> in SSB mode.  In CW mode, where the carrier frequency is important,
> Alan's choice may be good.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 7/23/2019 2:31 PM, Kevin, N4TT wrote:
> > Maybe that's the basic question...
> >
> > If I tune the radio to 7.035 to set a CW signal for a pitch of 600 Hz (as
> > set using the PITCH function) what should I expect to see on the P3?
> >
> > 1) The P3 shows 7.035 and the CW signal is offset from the center by 600
> Hz?
> >
> > 2) The P3 shows 7.035 and compensates for the pitch placing the CW signal
> > directly under the cursor?
> >
> > 3) The P3 shows 7.035600 placing the CW signal directly under the cursor?
> >
> > I expect #2.
> >
> > I'll be trying out more this evening.
> >
> > Kev
> >
> > On Tue, Jul 23, 2019 at 12:47 PM Alan Bloom <n1al at sonic.net> wrote:
> >
> >> Good advice.
> >>
> >>
> >> Also be aware that the center frequency differs depending on mode.  For
> >> example, it is the supressed carrier frequency on SSB but is offset by
> >> typically 600 Hz on CW.
> >>
> >>
> >> I like to use AM mode for frequeny calibration.  After doing a frequency
> >> calibration on the K3, tune to a signal on the AM broadcast band and
> adjust
> >> the P3 frequency calibration.  (MENU:RefCal.  Cal procedurre is on page
> 39
> >> of the manual)  As I recall, AM broadcast stations are required to be
> >> within 20 Hz of nominal frequency but are typically much closer than
> that.
>

From n4lg at qx.net  Thu Jul 25 15:41:50 2019
From: n4lg at qx.net (Bill Cotter)
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2019 15:41:50 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] FS: Elecraft KFL3A-500 5-pole CW filter
Message-ID: <mailman.559.1564083726.2815.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>

For Sale:

Elecraft KFL3A-500 5-pole CW/DATA filter with hardware

$99 shipped CONUS

73 es tnx Bill N4LG


From ab2tc at arrl.net  Thu Jul 25 15:47:20 2019
From: ab2tc at arrl.net (ab2tc)
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2019 12:47:20 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 soundcard/CODEC
In-Reply-To: <1563923887534-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <002201d54102$5e3a3270$1aae9750$@n7us.net>
	<EE07208C-91D6-4FD8-A19A-0B83CABD0B1A@widomaker.com>
	<591270D3-5E84-434B-9BFA-6E14C267ED90@elecraft.com>
	<1563923887534-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <1564084040998-0.post@n2.nabble.com>

Hi all,

What doesn't work correctly with Windows in the current K3S'
soundcard/CODEC?

AB2TC - Knut


Nolan Kienitz wrote
> Wayne,
> 
> Any possibility of a future "enhanced" soundcard/CODEC that might better
> accommodate Windoze for the K3?
> 
> The current KIO3B is great, but just thinking out of the box for an
> enhanced
> version.
> 
> 73,
> 
> Nolan Kienitz
> KI5IO
> 
> 
> 
> -----
> 73  -  Nolan Kienitz,  KI5IO
> -
> <snip>





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From hjohnc at gmail.com  Thu Jul 25 16:39:29 2019
From: hjohnc at gmail.com (John Huffman)
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2019 16:39:29 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3/0 and CW
In-Reply-To: <8b55122b-86dd-73ab-dd71-6e45cfba54d5@gmail.com>
References: <8b55122b-86dd-73ab-dd71-6e45cfba54d5@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <148e669f-547b-3ea6-11e2-5079e4654d3e@gmail.com>

SUCCESS!? I now have the external keyer working with the K3/0-Mini and 
RemoteRig boxes.? Many thanks to Chuck N8CL for sending me his settings.

Here's what he sent.

I/O:
INO mode=keyer
out 0=keyer
out1=keyer
out2=keyer
USB RTS as PTT=com 0
USB DTR as PTT=com 0

Keyer:
enable=yes
iambic=b
all those number entries in order: 30/600/40/100/50/10/40

Serial:
com 1 mode = mode 7, cat to com 2 (remote)
com 1 baud 38,400
data=8
stop=1
parity=0
com 1 RTS/cts=no
hex=00
USB com port as com 1 = yes
 ?com 2 mode=logical parallel with com 0
baud=38400
8-1-0
hex=00
USB com port as com 2=no
com 3(extra) mode (USB-com fsk)=mode-10 baudot rtty

I have no idea which ones worked, but the end result is that if I plug 
the output of the external keyer into the KEY jack on the back of the 
K3/0-Mini it works.

The next challenge is to get the RemoteRig client box to send frequency 
data to N1MM+ on my computer.? Help always appreciated.

73 de K1ESE
John



On 7/22/2019 6:04 AM, John Huffman wrote:
> I'm setting up a K3/0-Mini to control my K3 remotely.? I would like to 
> use an external keyer (Logikeyer) since I don't like the timing of the 
> RemoteRig keyer. I have questions.
>
> Does the KEY jack on the back of the K3/0-Mini do anything?? If it 
> operates like a straight key I could send my keyer output to that jack.
>
> I've seen suggestions to modify the cable to the I/O jack on the 
> RemoteRig box and insert the keyer output there.? Does this interfere 
> with the other I/O functions of the K3/0-Mini?
>
> 73 de K1ESE
> John


From k6dgw at foothill.net  Thu Jul 25 18:02:18 2019
From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen)
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2019 15:02:18 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3/0 and CW
In-Reply-To: <148e669f-547b-3ea6-11e2-5079e4654d3e@gmail.com>
References: <8b55122b-86dd-73ab-dd71-6e45cfba54d5@gmail.com>
	<148e669f-547b-3ea6-11e2-5079e4654d3e@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <b36fec3b-b22d-9b04-46e1-d0b4c508b104@foothill.net>

OK John, congrats on getting it to work.? Most of those settings do not 
apply to keying, but some will apply to getting N1MM+ working.

Without N1MM+, unplug the USB cable from the front panel of the 1258.
Get into Control Panel-->Device Mangler-->Ports and plug in the USB 
connector to the computer.
You should see 4 virtual COM ports appear, named:

RRC1258 COM0(XX)
RRC1258 COM1(YY)
RRC1258 COM2(ZZ)
RRC1258 COM Extra(UU)

The number in parens is the number assigned by Windows.? The RRC1258 
COM1 port is the CAT port to the remote radio.? Start N1MM+ and go to 
Configure-->Ports.? If you get a "Radio not responding" message, cancel 
it.? In the first configuration line, select "YY" [windows assigned port 
for RRC1258 COM1], K3, uncheck, uncheck, and click on Set.

In the window that comes up, 38400, N, 8, 1, Always Off, Always Off, 
Radio 1.? Uncheck Allow ext interrupts, uncheck the next 4 boxes, 
Footswitch=None, Polling rate=50% slower, OK.? The next row should be 
for your Winkey if you're using one.? Find the COM port # by unplugging 
and see which one goes away in Device Mangler and select it.? None, 
check CW, Set.? In set window, Always off, Always off, VFO 1, PTT 
Delay=20, uncheck ext interrupts, and check Winkey if that's what you're 
using, and None, None, OK

Close N1MM+ and restart.? That should do it for you.? Remote operation 
involves a lot of "moving parts." The odds of getting it to work on the 
first try are slim, if you do, go buy a lottery ticket.? The CAT on the 
remote K3 must be 38400, N, 8, 1.? Nearly all of the buttons and 
controls on the K3/0 should work as if you were at the real radio site 
including the MIC and PHONES connectors.? I'm not sure you can record CW 
or Phone messages in the memories from the control site, I've never 
tried because W7RN is a shared multi-user site.? Typing a frequency into 
the N1MM+ CALL field in the Entry window will [or should] send you to 
that band/frequency.

Let us know your progress.

73,
Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

On 7/25/2019 1:39 PM, John Huffman wrote:
> SUCCESS! I now have the external keyer working with the K3/0-Mini and 
> RemoteRig boxes.? Many thanks to Chuck N8CL for sending me his settings.
>
> Here's what he sent.
>
> I/O:
> INO mode=keyer
> out 0=keyer
> out1=keyer
> out2=keyer
> USB RTS as PTT=com 0
> USB DTR as PTT=com 0
>
> Keyer:
> enable=yes
> iambic=b
> all those number entries in order: 30/600/40/100/50/10/40
>
> Serial:
> com 1 mode = mode 7, cat to com 2 (remote)
> com 1 baud 38,400
> data=8
> stop=1
> parity=0
> com 1 RTS/cts=no
> hex=00
> USB com port as com 1 = yes
> ?com 2 mode=logical parallel with com 0
> baud=38400
> 8-1-0
> hex=00
> USB com port as com 2=no
> com 3(extra) mode (USB-com fsk)=mode-10 baudot rtty
>
> I have no idea which ones worked, but the end result is that if I plug 
> the output of the external keyer into the KEY jack on the back of the 
> K3/0-Mini it works.
>
> The next challenge is to get the RemoteRig client box to send 
> frequency data to N1MM+ on my computer.? Help always appreciated.
>
> 73 de K1ESE
> John


From rwnewbould at comcast.net  Thu Jul 25 18:41:09 2019
From: rwnewbould at comcast.net (Rich)
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2019 18:41:09 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] AF Limit?
Message-ID: <31CA0E2D-746F-4794-B155-642158DB923F@comcast.net>

Does the AF Limit always keep the audio level at the given setting or just when the AGC is OFF?

Rich
K3RWN

Typos sent by my iphone

From bryanbrauerpe at gmail.com  Thu Jul 25 18:41:53 2019
From: bryanbrauerpe at gmail.com (Bryan Brauer)
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2019 15:41:53 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Yahoo User group
Message-ID: <CAPQLHmbatiJjns=2XwnwvwTUjNu=WZxqG02sAidaqoEjRM9B_A@mail.gmail.com>

I just tried to sign on to the Yahoo KX3 user group after not having done
so for some time.  It is requesting an AT&T account.  Is this something
new?  I don't want an AT&T account.

AI6B
*Bryan B. Brauer, PE*
*Consulting Engineer*
bryan at bbbrauer.com

From bob at hogbytes.com  Thu Jul 25 20:19:29 2019
From: bob at hogbytes.com (Bob N3MNT)
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2019 17:19:29 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Yahoo User group
In-Reply-To: <CAPQLHmbatiJjns=2XwnwvwTUjNu=WZxqG02sAidaqoEjRM9B_A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPQLHmbatiJjns=2XwnwvwTUjNu=WZxqG02sAidaqoEjRM9B_A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1564100369452-0.post@n2.nabble.com>

Not sure where that came from.  I don't have an AT7T account and group works
fine.



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From n6kr at elecraft.com  Thu Jul 25 20:29:31 2019
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2019 20:29:31 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] AF Limit?
In-Reply-To: <31CA0E2D-746F-4794-B155-642158DB923F@comcast.net>
References: <31CA0E2D-746F-4794-B155-642158DB923F@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <C9643A99-4438-429A-85FB-EC70FA61198D@elecraft.com>

At present the AF limiter only applies when AGC is off. We could add a separate AGC-on limiter setting if needed. 

Wayne
N6KR

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> On Jul 25, 2019, at 6:41 PM, Rich <rwnewbould at comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> Does the AF Limit always keep the audio level at the given setting or just when the AGC is OFF?
> 
> Rich
> K3RWN
> 
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From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Thu Jul 25 20:56:31 2019
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2019 20:56:31 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Not Zeroed
In-Reply-To: <CAFA9ujtvO49=Dj=L8md-Fg2xMfbq7YsBN-BDyijzqnOgnzTE1A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFA9ujtZKO6t3KWXOvYWJx+4CdK+Rp5G3ymbqh61wtyj8LHF9w@mail.gmail.com>
	<801ba8de-1155-0e6f-aedd-99fb58380be1@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<CAFA9ujv_H2aMfMgoU9VqS1J-ioUnbxM5F2TJY-cZTXOvsDRFyg@mail.gmail.com>
	<C993A328-20FB-48E3-8CA3-D0171B8A1B74@blomand.net>
	<334ad7e4393c5f822ef9e51f163494d5@sonic.net>
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Kev,

Do you have FlDigi set to produce audio tones in SSB mode for CW or is 
it keying the K3 directly?
That will make a significant difference, and the P3 signal placement 
will reflect that.

We did not consider that you were using a software application to 
produce CW previously to this post.
Know what your software application is doing and you may have the answer 
to your question.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 7/25/2019 2:41 PM, Kevin, N4TT wrote:
> Hi Don:
>
> I'm still checking things out but I think I have it all working 
> together. I calibrated the radio using WWV at 5, 10 and 15 MHz. I only 
> had to line up one and the other two fell right in. Then I went to the 
> P3 and lined that up with ref cal. Again, everything lined up at 5, 10 
> and 15.
>
> Then I want back to fldigi which is where I originally noticed the 
> difference. I have the radio and fldigi set for a CW sidetone of 600 
> Hz. When I would tune in the radio for the 600 Hz tone on a random CW 
> signal, the peak of the P3 trace was right over the signal and Fldigi 
> showed the signal up at? 600 Hz. Everything matched. This is what I 
> was looking for, the three functions matching.
>
> I think I'm in good shape.
>
>


From kkinderen at gmail.com  Thu Jul 25 21:11:38 2019
From: kkinderen at gmail.com (Kevin, N4TT)
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2019 21:11:38 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Not Zeroed
In-Reply-To: <84aab210-5893-a588-a44f-645631181b54@embarqmail.com>
References: <CAFA9ujtZKO6t3KWXOvYWJx+4CdK+Rp5G3ymbqh61wtyj8LHF9w@mail.gmail.com>
	<801ba8de-1155-0e6f-aedd-99fb58380be1@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<CAFA9ujv_H2aMfMgoU9VqS1J-ioUnbxM5F2TJY-cZTXOvsDRFyg@mail.gmail.com>
	<C993A328-20FB-48E3-8CA3-D0171B8A1B74@blomand.net>
	<334ad7e4393c5f822ef9e51f163494d5@sonic.net>
	<CAFA9ujufdFPUGo5R94bz7zJTZDCQfY-w3o=NdHNhCazOYUmC5w@mail.gmail.com>
	<3b632820-7118-3472-c55d-79c43f6a4fd3@embarqmail.com>
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Only to read the scale. Keyed from the rig.

It's working guys! As I mentioned, everything is lining up as expected.

This is why I went with Elecraft. Because of this group. Last group would
have been everything from RTFM to why would you want to do that...

73,
Kev N4TT

On Thu, Jul 25, 2019 at 8:56 PM Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com> wrote:

> Kev,
>
> Do you have FlDigi set to produce audio tones in SSB mode for CW or is
> it keying the K3 directly?
> That will make a significant difference, and the P3 signal placement
> will reflect that.
>
> We did not consider that you were using a software application to
> produce CW previously to this post.
> Know what your software application is doing and you may have the answer
> to your question.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 7/25/2019 2:41 PM, Kevin, N4TT wrote:
> > Hi Don:
> >
> > I'm still checking things out but I think I have it all working
> > together. I calibrated the radio using WWV at 5, 10 and 15 MHz. I only
> > had to line up one and the other two fell right in. Then I went to the
> > P3 and lined that up with ref cal. Again, everything lined up at 5, 10
> > and 15.
> >
> > Then I want back to fldigi which is where I originally noticed the
> > difference. I have the radio and fldigi set for a CW sidetone of 600
> > Hz. When I would tune in the radio for the 600 Hz tone on a random CW
> > signal, the peak of the P3 trace was right over the signal and Fldigi
> > showed the signal up at  600 Hz. Everything matched. This is what I
> > was looking for, the three functions matching.
> >
> > I think I'm in good shape.
> >
> >
>
>

From rwnewbould at comcast.net  Thu Jul 25 21:36:28 2019
From: rwnewbould at comcast.net (Rich)
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2019 21:36:28 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] AF Limit?
In-Reply-To: <C9643A99-4438-429A-85FB-EC70FA61198D@elecraft.com>
References: <31CA0E2D-746F-4794-B155-642158DB923F@comcast.net>
	<C9643A99-4438-429A-85FB-EC70FA61198D@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <BFDC6DFB-04FB-494E-9B21-AD01CEA3468A@comcast.net>

I have no such need.  I just wanted to verify its use.   Currently reading Fred?s book

Thank you
Rich

Typos sent by my iphone

> On Jul 25, 2019, at 20:29, Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com> wrote:
> 
> At present the AF limiter only applies when AGC is off. We could add a separate AGC-on limiter setting if needed. 
> 
> Wayne
> N6KR
> 
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> 
>> On Jul 25, 2019, at 6:41 PM, Rich <rwnewbould at comcast.net> wrote:
>> 
>> Does the AF Limit always keep the audio level at the given setting or just when the AGC is OFF?
>> 
>> Rich
>> K3RWN
>> 
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From k2vco.vic at gmail.com  Fri Jul 26 01:21:11 2019
From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Vic Rosenthal)
Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2019 08:21:11 +0300
Subject: [Elecraft] AF Limit?
In-Reply-To: <C9643A99-4438-429A-85FB-EC70FA61198D@elecraft.com>
References: <31CA0E2D-746F-4794-B155-642158DB923F@comcast.net>
	<C9643A99-4438-429A-85FB-EC70FA61198D@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <1A138CC5-99C3-4666-B072-C3E57AC50A2C@gmail.com>

I would like it. I use minimal AGC and it would be ear protection.

Victor 4X6GP 

> On 26 Jul 2019, at 3:29, Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com> wrote:
> 
> At present the AF limiter only applies when AGC is off. We could add a separate AGC-on limiter setting if needed. 
> 
> Wayne
> N6KR
> 
> ----
> elecraft.com
> 
>> On Jul 25, 2019, at 6:41 PM, Rich <rwnewbould at comcast.net> wrote:
>> 
>> Does the AF Limit always keep the audio level at the given setting or just when the AGC is OFF?
>> 
>> Rich
>> K3RWN
>> 

From g0ruz at g0ruz.com  Fri Jul 26 04:10:55 2019
From: g0ruz at g0ruz.com (Conrad PA5Y)
Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2019 08:10:55 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S HDSDR as a panadapter with IF out
In-Reply-To: <1A138CC5-99C3-4666-B072-C3E57AC50A2C@gmail.com>
References: <31CA0E2D-746F-4794-B155-642158DB923F@comcast.net>
	<C9643A99-4438-429A-85FB-EC70FA61198D@elecraft.com>,
	<1A138CC5-99C3-4666-B072-C3E57AC50A2C@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AM5P189MB038700683CB06CEC2A3F9DEDB5C00@AM5P189MB0387.EURP189.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

Hi Gernot this does not work, the Perseus has an ExtIO.dll for HDSDR so for an input I selected Perseus HF Receiver.  However you set me along the right path.

Input mode for RX is I left Q right.
RF Front end calibration SDR on IFD output controlled by Omni-Rig (2 in my case)
Full sync in both directions.
IF frequency 8215000 Hz
Global offset in my case is -2435 Hz but I have not yet calibrated the K3S as I will be locking to 10 MHz as soon as the hardware arrives.

I have also found it best to only Sync to omnirig  and not from omnirig to allow VFO fine tuning without Omnirig and the K3 VFO fighting with each other.

That's it and it seems to work well but I may change a few things, I have the Perseus set to 500 kS/S so I can see 450kHz of band, I am not sure what the BW of the IF output is but it looks flat.

73

Conrad PA5Y

From markmusick at outlook.com  Fri Jul 26 07:45:28 2019
From: markmusick at outlook.com (Mark Musick)
Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2019 11:45:28 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] AF Limit?
In-Reply-To: <1A138CC5-99C3-4666-B072-C3E57AC50A2C@gmail.com>
References: <31CA0E2D-746F-4794-B155-642158DB923F@comcast.net>
	<C9643A99-4438-429A-85FB-EC70FA61198D@elecraft.com>
	<1A138CC5-99C3-4666-B072-C3E57AC50A2C@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BN8PR05MB6387098A93815E19B75ECB96C3C00@BN8PR05MB6387.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>

I would second that.

Mark, WB9CIF

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From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On Behalf Of Vic Rosenthal
Sent: Friday, July 26, 2019 05:21
To: Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com>
Cc: Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] AF Limit?

I would like it. I use minimal AGC and it would be ear protection.

Victor 4X6GP 

> On 26 Jul 2019, at 3:29, Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com> wrote:
> 
> At present the AF limiter only applies when AGC is off. We could add a separate AGC-on limiter setting if needed. 
> 
> Wayne
> N6KR
> 
> ----
> elecraft.com
> 
>> On Jul 25, 2019, at 6:41 PM, Rich <rwnewbould at comcast.net> wrote:
>> 
>> Does the AF Limit always keep the audio level at the given setting or just when the AGC is OFF?
>> 
>> Rich
>> K3RWN
>> 
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From krug261 at yahoo.com  Fri Jul 26 08:07:13 2019
From: krug261 at yahoo.com (krug261)
Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2019 12:07:13 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Yahoo User group
In-Reply-To: <CAPQLHmbatiJjns=2XwnwvwTUjNu=WZxqG02sAidaqoEjRM9B_A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPQLHmbatiJjns=2XwnwvwTUjNu=WZxqG02sAidaqoEjRM9B_A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <641610220.499031.1564142833654@mail.yahoo.com>

Bryan,
Interesting. I just received my first digest from the group in a LONG time; I thought the group died. But I got in without need for an ATT account.
Bob Krug
KA2TQV





On Thursday, July 25, 2019, 6:41 PM, Bryan Brauer <bryanbrauerpe at gmail.com> wrote:

I just tried to sign on to the Yahoo KX3 user group after not having done
so for some time.? It is requesting an AT&T account.? Is this something
new?? I don't want an AT&T account.

AI6B
*Bryan B. Brauer, PE*
*Consulting Engineer*
bryan at bbbrauer.com
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From elecraft.list at videotron.ca  Fri Jul 26 10:33:21 2019
From: elecraft.list at videotron.ca (Tom)
Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2019 10:33:21 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] A new release of Win4K3Suite is now available
Message-ID: <01d701d543bf$13e7a3a0$3bb6eae0$@videotron.ca>

Hello,
There is a new version of Win4K3Suite available, version 2.006. If you use
N1MM and the Spectrum broadcast from Win4K3Suite this release fixes an issue
with this configuration.

Win4K3Suite is a full featured control program for the K3/S, KX3 and KX2.
It has a built in Panadapter that works with LPPAN and a sound card, as well
as the SDRPlay RSP's. It supports the KAT500, KPA500/1500 and the KXPA100 on
most of the above radios.  A unique feature is that is has 6 built in
Virtual Radios, each of which works just like an Elecraft radio.  This
allows sharing of a single COM port with up to 6 applications.  It also has
a built in HRDLogbook server and the EiBi Shortwave database which is now up
to date.
You see more information here:
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=win4k3suite
and download a fully functional 30 day trial at va2fsq.com

73 Tom
va2fsq.com


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From jamesd at moselle.com  Fri Jul 26 11:19:37 2019
From: jamesd at moselle.com (James Doty)
Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2019 08:19:37 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Elecraft] [K2] Very Low SSB on 20 Meters
In-Reply-To: <alpine.BSF.2.21.9999.1907251053000.61234@tara.moselle.com>
References: <alpine.BSF.2.21.9999.1907250915520.61234@tara.moselle.com>
	<3a68b311-5573-3ae9-506c-a95805f78b27@embarqmail.com>
	<alpine.BSF.2.21.9999.1907251053000.61234@tara.moselle.com>
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It appears that USB is bad across the bands.  I tried USB on 6, 10, 15, 
and 20 meters.


From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Fri Jul 26 12:16:33 2019
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2019 12:16:33 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] [K2] Very Low SSB on 20 Meters
In-Reply-To: <alpine.BSF.2.21.9999.1907260818280.77497@tara.moselle.com>
References: <alpine.BSF.2.21.9999.1907250915520.61234@tara.moselle.com>
	<3a68b311-5573-3ae9-506c-a95805f78b27@embarqmail.com>
	<alpine.BSF.2.21.9999.1907251053000.61234@tara.moselle.com>
	<alpine.BSF.2.21.9999.1907260818280.77497@tara.moselle.com>
Message-ID: <cc10928d-d72e-e9b0-0f05-fde43ed4b15a@embarqmail.com>

James,

Is this a K2 or a K3?
In the K2, the sidebands are reversed on 15 meters and above, and there 
is no 6 meters in the K2.

What I am saying is that if LSB works on the lower bands, then USB 
should work on 15 meters and above - if this is a K2.  If it is a K3, 
then ignore my responses.

If A K2, then try 17 meters USB.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 7/26/2019 11:19 AM, James Doty wrote:
> It appears that USB is bad across the bands.? I tried USB on 6, 10, 15, 
> and 20 meters.

From jamesd at moselle.com  Fri Jul 26 12:20:11 2019
From: jamesd at moselle.com (James Doty)
Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2019 09:20:11 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Elecraft] [K2] Very Low SSB on 20 Meters
In-Reply-To: <cc10928d-d72e-e9b0-0f05-fde43ed4b15a@embarqmail.com>
References: <alpine.BSF.2.21.9999.1907250915520.61234@tara.moselle.com>
	<3a68b311-5573-3ae9-506c-a95805f78b27@embarqmail.com>
	<alpine.BSF.2.21.9999.1907251053000.61234@tara.moselle.com>
	<alpine.BSF.2.21.9999.1907260818280.77497@tara.moselle.com>
	<cc10928d-d72e-e9b0-0f05-fde43ed4b15a@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.BSF.2.21.9999.1907260919340.77497@tara.moselle.com>

It's a K2 with a 6 meter transverter.

I'll try your suggestion after work.

Thanks.


From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Fri Jul 26 12:28:24 2019
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2019 12:28:24 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] [K2] Very Low SSB on 20 Meters
In-Reply-To: <alpine.BSF.2.21.9999.1907260919340.77497@tara.moselle.com>
References: <alpine.BSF.2.21.9999.1907250915520.61234@tara.moselle.com>
	<3a68b311-5573-3ae9-506c-a95805f78b27@embarqmail.com>
	<alpine.BSF.2.21.9999.1907251053000.61234@tara.moselle.com>
	<alpine.BSF.2.21.9999.1907260818280.77497@tara.moselle.com>
	<cc10928d-d72e-e9b0-0f05-fde43ed4b15a@embarqmail.com>
	<alpine.BSF.2.21.9999.1907260919340.77497@tara.moselle.com>
Message-ID: <846eeec8-f063-c02b-4709-18f4517ef874@embarqmail.com>

James,

As I indicated, with the K2, the LSB used on 17 meters and below is the 
same sideband as used for USB on 15 meters and above. Since the 6 meter 
transceiver uses a 28 MHz IF (assuming it is an Elecraft XV50), then the 
USB transmission will be the same as the LSB transmission on the lower 
bands.

In other words, you need to look for a problem different than a LSB/USB 
problem.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 7/26/2019 12:20 PM, James Doty wrote:
> It's a K2 with a 6 meter transverter.
>
> I'll try your suggestion after work.
>
> Thanks.
>
>


From jamesd at moselle.com  Fri Jul 26 12:39:54 2019
From: jamesd at moselle.com (James Doty)
Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2019 09:39:54 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Elecraft] [K2] Very Low SSB on 20 Meters
In-Reply-To: <846eeec8-f063-c02b-4709-18f4517ef874@embarqmail.com>
References: <alpine.BSF.2.21.9999.1907250915520.61234@tara.moselle.com>
	<3a68b311-5573-3ae9-506c-a95805f78b27@embarqmail.com>
	<alpine.BSF.2.21.9999.1907251053000.61234@tara.moselle.com>
	<alpine.BSF.2.21.9999.1907260818280.77497@tara.moselle.com>
	<cc10928d-d72e-e9b0-0f05-fde43ed4b15a@embarqmail.com>
	<alpine.BSF.2.21.9999.1907260919340.77497@tara.moselle.com>
	<846eeec8-f063-c02b-4709-18f4517ef874@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.BSF.2.21.9999.1907260939160.77497@tara.moselle.com>

Oh, okay.

I honestly don't know what to look for though.


From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Fri Jul 26 13:10:32 2019
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2019 13:10:32 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] [K2] Very Low SSB on 20 Meters
In-Reply-To: <alpine.BSF.2.21.9999.1907260939160.77497@tara.moselle.com>
References: <alpine.BSF.2.21.9999.1907250915520.61234@tara.moselle.com>
	<3a68b311-5573-3ae9-506c-a95805f78b27@embarqmail.com>
	<alpine.BSF.2.21.9999.1907251053000.61234@tara.moselle.com>
	<alpine.BSF.2.21.9999.1907260818280.77497@tara.moselle.com>
	<cc10928d-d72e-e9b0-0f05-fde43ed4b15a@embarqmail.com>
	<alpine.BSF.2.21.9999.1907260919340.77497@tara.moselle.com>
	<846eeec8-f063-c02b-4709-18f4517ef874@embarqmail.com>
	<alpine.BSF.2.21.9999.1907260939160.77497@tara.moselle.com>
Message-ID: <036fdce8-96c7-bc9d-9810-2c3950b4553f@embarqmail.com>

Check everything in CW transmit first, including the VFO frequencies at 
the band edges.
Then check your SSB filter alignment (and CW too) with Spectrogram to 
make certain the filter passbands are aligned correctly.? The FL1 filter 
for both USB and LSB must be set to OP1.

Set things properly in receive and then check transmit.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 7/26/2019 12:39 PM, James Doty wrote:
> Oh, okay.
>
> I honestly don't know what to look for though.
>
>


From jamesd at moselle.com  Fri Jul 26 13:15:24 2019
From: jamesd at moselle.com (James Doty)
Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2019 10:15:24 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Elecraft] [K2] Very Low SSB on 20 Meters
In-Reply-To: <036fdce8-96c7-bc9d-9810-2c3950b4553f@embarqmail.com>
References: <alpine.BSF.2.21.9999.1907250915520.61234@tara.moselle.com>
	<3a68b311-5573-3ae9-506c-a95805f78b27@embarqmail.com>
	<alpine.BSF.2.21.9999.1907251053000.61234@tara.moselle.com>
	<alpine.BSF.2.21.9999.1907260818280.77497@tara.moselle.com>
	<cc10928d-d72e-e9b0-0f05-fde43ed4b15a@embarqmail.com>
	<alpine.BSF.2.21.9999.1907260919340.77497@tara.moselle.com>
	<846eeec8-f063-c02b-4709-18f4517ef874@embarqmail.com>
	<alpine.BSF.2.21.9999.1907260939160.77497@tara.moselle.com>
	<036fdce8-96c7-bc9d-9810-2c3950b4553f@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.BSF.2.21.9999.1907261015180.77497@tara.moselle.com>

Thanks, I'll do that.


From alex.k2bb at gmail.com  Fri Jul 26 16:19:02 2019
From: alex.k2bb at gmail.com (Alex Malyava)
Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2019 16:19:02 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - Do I need K144XV Reference Lock Board?
Message-ID: <CAMHr7dJ5B+wgLafU5dSp2OYVJW8DGMSU0CJBoNu1LA6z=7V2NQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,
I am upgrading my 4-yeas old K3 (not K3S) with 2M option, got the K144XV
already.
The radio will be used for 2M EME...
Do I need to install that Reference Lock Board?
I am afraid so :)

Description on Elecraft website is fuzzy, something like "If you do FM only
- you dont need, it... use it for CW SSB".

What will it give me in absolute numbers, like PPM or Hz?
How bat it is without the board?

Thanks,
Alex K2BB

From mpridesti at yahoo.com  Fri Jul 26 16:21:54 2019
From: mpridesti at yahoo.com (Mpridesti)
Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2019 16:21:54 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Sudden K3 failure
In-Reply-To: <B53A2CB9-F97F-420D-8AB7-6DE132F03120@yahoo.com>
References: <87D3FFEC-4271-415E-98B4-1879A2F6D17D@yahoo.com>
	<0E0901AD-8892-4ADB-9670-DF463D9AE207@yahoo.com>
	<B53A2CB9-F97F-420D-8AB7-6DE132F03120@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <9FB29B17-B22E-4BF1-8EF5-E44583F5AE92@yahoo.com>

Although I was able get the TX running again by merely doing a small twist to all the TMP connectors that were reachable with top cover removed and behind the front panel, unable to bring back the receiver front end on 40 m. I hear noise and very weak signals but nothing like the normal band noise and a hot receiver previously. 

Now wondering if another part of the radio (tmp connectors) needs a small twist to break up oxidation. Not clear as to why just one band is affected. Any thoughts from this great resource?

Regards,

Mark, K1RX


> On Jul 25, 2019, at 10:30 AM, Mpridesti via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
> 
> Interesting 
> 
> Powered up radio again and worked fine again.  Within minutes failed again so I am suspecting the tmp connectors as suggested by K1XX (and others) and the SYM area. 
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Mark, K1RX
> 
> 
>> On Jul 25, 2019, at 9:40 AM, Mpridesti via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
>> 
>> Appreciate all the suggestions 
>> 
>> Will address later today and will advise 
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Mark, K1RX
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jul 25, 2019, at 8:24 AM, Mpridesti via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yesterday while just listening to a SSB QSO, the receiver just went quiet and when I tried to transmit, got nothing. 
>>> 
>>> Power setting was at 75 watts and varied properly but meter and external output monitor was showing nothing. 
>>> 
>>> Thought the filters stopped passing RF. 
>>> 
>>> Rechecked the filter settings on the Utility program and all seemed normal (no change).  
>>> 
>>> What could cause the radio to behave like this? During receive?
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> 
>>> Mark, K1RX
>>> 
>>> 
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From dennis at mail4life.net  Fri Jul 26 19:28:48 2019
From: dennis at mail4life.net (Dennis Moore)
Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2019 16:28:48 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Sudden K3 failure
In-Reply-To: <9FB29B17-B22E-4BF1-8EF5-E44583F5AE92@yahoo.com>
References: <87D3FFEC-4271-415E-98B4-1879A2F6D17D@yahoo.com>
	<0E0901AD-8892-4ADB-9670-DF463D9AE207@yahoo.com>
	<B53A2CB9-F97F-420D-8AB7-6DE132F03120@yahoo.com>
	<9FB29B17-B22E-4BF1-8EF5-E44583F5AE92@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <384c47b7-5d63-9d47-1ab7-85b3adf61772@mail4life.net>

Any chance you accidentally switched antennas on 40m?

Dennis NJ6G

On 7/26/2019 13:21, Mpridesti via Elecraft wrote:
> Although I was able get the TX running again by merely doing a small twist to all the TMP connectors that were reachable with top cover removed and behind the front panel, unable to bring back the receiver front end on 40 m. I hear noise and very weak signals but nothing like the normal band noise and a hot receiver previously.
>
> Now wondering if another part of the radio (tmp connectors) needs a small twist to break up oxidation. Not clear as to why just one band is affected. Any thoughts from this great resource?
>
> Regards,
>
> Mark, K1RX

From mpridesti at yahoo.com  Fri Jul 26 19:54:31 2019
From: mpridesti at yahoo.com (Mpridesti)
Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2019 19:54:31 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Sudden K3 failure
In-Reply-To: <384c47b7-5d63-9d47-1ab7-85b3adf61772@mail4life.net>
References: <87D3FFEC-4271-415E-98B4-1879A2F6D17D@yahoo.com>
	<0E0901AD-8892-4ADB-9670-DF463D9AE207@yahoo.com>
	<B53A2CB9-F97F-420D-8AB7-6DE132F03120@yahoo.com>
	<9FB29B17-B22E-4BF1-8EF5-E44583F5AE92@yahoo.com>
	<384c47b7-5d63-9d47-1ab7-85b3adf61772@mail4life.net>
Message-ID: <41455173-BBA6-40E7-B24F-14E257969EF2@yahoo.com>

Confirmed that at an early stage of the trouble shooting.  No difference with either antenna selected (only one port has an antenna). 

Regards,

Mark, K1RX


> On Jul 26, 2019, at 7:28 PM, Dennis Moore <dennis at mail4life.net> wrote:
> 
> Any chance you accidentally switched antennas on 40m?
> 
> Dennis NJ6G
> 
>> On 7/26/2019 13:21, Mpridesti via Elecraft wrote:
>> Although I was able get the TX running again by merely doing a small twist to all the TMP connectors that were reachable with top cover removed and behind the front panel, unable to bring back the receiver front end on 40 m. I hear noise and very weak signals but nothing like the normal band noise and a hot receiver previously.
>> 
>> Now wondering if another part of the radio (tmp connectors) needs a small twist to break up oxidation. Not clear as to why just one band is affected. Any thoughts from this great resource?
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Mark, K1RX
> ______________________________________________________________
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From mpridesti at yahoo.com  Fri Jul 26 22:42:19 2019
From: mpridesti at yahoo.com (Mpridesti)
Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2019 22:42:19 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Sudden K3 failure
In-Reply-To: <CA+03d8g70Xvn3jZ9iehVTRVKtvp6O0G_jyAU2EkqXrC=SmNOTw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <87D3FFEC-4271-415E-98B4-1879A2F6D17D@yahoo.com>
	<0E0901AD-8892-4ADB-9670-DF463D9AE207@yahoo.com>
	<B53A2CB9-F97F-420D-8AB7-6DE132F03120@yahoo.com>
	<9FB29B17-B22E-4BF1-8EF5-E44583F5AE92@yahoo.com>
	<384c47b7-5d63-9d47-1ab7-85b3adf61772@mail4life.net>
	<41455173-BBA6-40E7-B24F-14E257969EF2@yahoo.com>
	<CA+03d8g70Xvn3jZ9iehVTRVKtvp6O0G_jyAU2EkqXrC=SmNOTw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9131D517-E4B4-49B0-B500-DCDFFE28202C@yahoo.com>

Sorry- did not fully see the problem 

The receiver is not working on any band not just 40. Sounds like band noise on all bands (sounds the same on every band).  Did a comparison with a second K3 to confirm the no receiver problem on all bands. 

Previously found by rotating some of the tmp connectors on the SYN boards, got the TX problem to go away. So this ?no receive? seems unrelated. 

Regards,

Mark, K1RX


> On Jul 26, 2019, at 9:57 PM, Barry Simpson <vk2bj at optusnet.com.au> wrote:
> 
> What about RX antenna ?
> 
> Barry  VK2BJ
> 
>> On Sat, 27 Jul 2019 at 09:54, Mpridesti via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
>> Confirmed that at an early stage of the trouble shooting.  No difference with either antenna selected (only one port has an antenna). 
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Mark, K1RX
>> 
>> 
>> > On Jul 26, 2019, at 7:28 PM, Dennis Moore <dennis at mail4life.net> wrote:
>> > 
>> > Any chance you accidentally switched antennas on 40m?
>> > 
>> > Dennis NJ6G
>> > 
>> >> On 7/26/2019 13:21, Mpridesti via Elecraft wrote:
>> >> Although I was able get the TX running again by merely doing a small twist to all the TMP connectors that were reachable with top cover removed and behind the front panel, unable to bring back the receiver front end on 40 m. I hear noise and very weak signals but nothing like the normal band noise and a hot receiver previously.
>> >> 
>> >> Now wondering if another part of the radio (tmp connectors) needs a small twist to break up oxidation. Not clear as to why just one band is affected. Any thoughts from this great resource?
>> >> 
>> >> Regards,
>> >> 
>> >> Mark, K1RX
>> > ______________________________________________________________
>> > Elecraft mailing list
>> > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
>> > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
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>> > 
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>> > Message delivered to mpridesti at yahoo.com 
>> 
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From jackbrindle at me.com  Fri Jul 26 22:54:24 2019
From: jackbrindle at me.com (Jack Brindle)
Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2019 19:54:24 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Sudden K3 failure
In-Reply-To: <9131D517-E4B4-49B0-B500-DCDFFE28202C@yahoo.com>
References: <87D3FFEC-4271-415E-98B4-1879A2F6D17D@yahoo.com>
	<0E0901AD-8892-4ADB-9670-DF463D9AE207@yahoo.com>
	<B53A2CB9-F97F-420D-8AB7-6DE132F03120@yahoo.com>
	<9FB29B17-B22E-4BF1-8EF5-E44583F5AE92@yahoo.com>
	<384c47b7-5d63-9d47-1ab7-85b3adf61772@mail4life.net>
	<41455173-BBA6-40E7-B24F-14E257969EF2@yahoo.com>
	<CA+03d8g70Xvn3jZ9iehVTRVKtvp6O0G_jyAU2EkqXrC=SmNOTw@mail.gmail.com>
	<9131D517-E4B4-49B0-B500-DCDFFE28202C@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BA8ECB89-E785-4020-8809-0F32712FCCB4@me.com>

Perhaps the RxAnt is selected? Easy to do, easy to miss. Done it more times than I care to remember.

73!
Jack, W6FB


> On Jul 26, 2019, at 7:42 PM, Mpridesti via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
> 
> Sorry- did not fully see the problem 
> 
> The receiver is not working on any band not just 40. Sounds like band noise on all bands (sounds the same on every band).  Did a comparison with a second K3 to confirm the no receiver problem on all bands. 
> 
> Previously found by rotating some of the tmp connectors on the SYN boards, got the TX problem to go away. So this ?no receive? seems unrelated. 
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Mark, K1RX
> 
> 
>> On Jul 26, 2019, at 9:57 PM, Barry Simpson <vk2bj at optusnet.com.au> wrote:
>> 
>> What about RX antenna ?
>> 
>> Barry  VK2BJ
>> 
>>> On Sat, 27 Jul 2019 at 09:54, Mpridesti via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
>>> Confirmed that at an early stage of the trouble shooting.  No difference with either antenna selected (only one port has an antenna). 
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> 
>>> Mark, K1RX
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Jul 26, 2019, at 7:28 PM, Dennis Moore <dennis at mail4life.net> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Any chance you accidentally switched antennas on 40m?
>>>> 
>>>> Dennis NJ6G
>>>> 
>>>>> On 7/26/2019 13:21, Mpridesti via Elecraft wrote:
>>>>> Although I was able get the TX running again by merely doing a small twist to all the TMP connectors that were reachable with top cover removed and behind the front panel, unable to bring back the receiver front end on 40 m. I hear noise and very weak signals but nothing like the normal band noise and a hot receiver previously.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Now wondering if another part of the radio (tmp connectors) needs a small twist to break up oxidation. Not clear as to why just one band is affected. Any thoughts from this great resource?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Mark, K1RX
>>>> ______________________________________________________________
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From mpridesti at yahoo.com  Fri Jul 26 22:57:36 2019
From: mpridesti at yahoo.com (Mpridesti)
Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2019 22:57:36 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Sudden K3 failure
In-Reply-To: <BA8ECB89-E785-4020-8809-0F32712FCCB4@me.com>
References: <87D3FFEC-4271-415E-98B4-1879A2F6D17D@yahoo.com>
	<0E0901AD-8892-4ADB-9670-DF463D9AE207@yahoo.com>
	<B53A2CB9-F97F-420D-8AB7-6DE132F03120@yahoo.com>
	<9FB29B17-B22E-4BF1-8EF5-E44583F5AE92@yahoo.com>
	<384c47b7-5d63-9d47-1ab7-85b3adf61772@mail4life.net>
	<41455173-BBA6-40E7-B24F-14E257969EF2@yahoo.com>
	<CA+03d8g70Xvn3jZ9iehVTRVKtvp6O0G_jyAU2EkqXrC=SmNOTw@mail.gmail.com>
	<9131D517-E4B4-49B0-B500-DCDFFE28202C@yahoo.com>
	<BA8ECB89-E785-4020-8809-0F32712FCCB4@me.com>
Message-ID: <AC677816-A11D-49A7-88E0-36F0F95D6FB0@yahoo.com>

Jack

Did check that - nope not the problem 

Thanks

Regards,

Mark, K1RX


> On Jul 26, 2019, at 10:54 PM, Jack Brindle <jackbrindle at me.com> wrote:
> 
> Perhaps the RxAnt is selected? Easy to do, easy to miss. Done it more times than I care to remember.
> 
> 73!
> Jack, W6FB
> 
> 
>> On Jul 26, 2019, at 7:42 PM, Mpridesti via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
>> 
>> Sorry- did not fully see the problem 
>> 
>> The receiver is not working on any band not just 40. Sounds like band noise on all bands (sounds the same on every band).  Did a comparison with a second K3 to confirm the no receiver problem on all bands. 
>> 
>> Previously found by rotating some of the tmp connectors on the SYN boards, got the TX problem to go away. So this ?no receive? seems unrelated. 
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Mark, K1RX
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jul 26, 2019, at 9:57 PM, Barry Simpson <vk2bj at optusnet.com.au> wrote:
>>> 
>>> What about RX antenna ?
>>> 
>>> Barry  VK2BJ
>>> 
>>>> On Sat, 27 Jul 2019 at 09:54, Mpridesti via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
>>>> Confirmed that at an early stage of the trouble shooting.  No difference with either antenna selected (only one port has an antenna). 
>>>> 
>>>> Regards,
>>>> 
>>>> Mark, K1RX
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jul 26, 2019, at 7:28 PM, Dennis Moore <dennis at mail4life.net> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Any chance you accidentally switched antennas on 40m?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Dennis NJ6G
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 7/26/2019 13:21, Mpridesti via Elecraft wrote:
>>>>>> Although I was able get the TX running again by merely doing a small twist to all the TMP connectors that were reachable with top cover removed and behind the front panel, unable to bring back the receiver front end on 40 m. I hear noise and very weak signals but nothing like the normal band noise and a hot receiver previously.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Now wondering if another part of the radio (tmp connectors) needs a small twist to break up oxidation. Not clear as to why just one band is affected. Any thoughts from this great resource?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Mark, K1RX
>>>>> ______________________________________________________________
>>>>> Elecraft mailing list
>>>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
>>>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
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>>>>> 
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>>>> 
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From dd0vs at gmx.de  Fri Jul 26 23:39:41 2019
From: dd0vs at gmx.de (Harald Fritzsche)
Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2019 05:39:41 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - Do I need K144XV Reference Lock Board?
In-Reply-To: <CAMHr7dJ5B+wgLafU5dSp2OYVJW8DGMSU0CJBoNu1LA6z=7V2NQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMHr7dJ5B+wgLafU5dSp2OYVJW8DGMSU0CJBoNu1LA6z=7V2NQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C00D1F80-B70E-430D-84E8-F54845F3B4B9@gmx.de>

Hello,

You definitely need the Referenzlock board, even for microwave or eme.

Regards
Harald
DD0VS

.-.-. --... ...--     -.. -.. ----- ...- ...

> Am 26.07.2019 um 22:19 schrieb Alex Malyava <alex.k2bb at gmail.com>:
>
> Hi,
> I am upgrading my 4-yeas old K3 (not K3S) with 2M option, got the K144XV
> already.
> The radio will be used for 2M EME...
> Do I need to install that Reference Lock Board?
> I am afraid so :)
>
> Description on Elecraft website is fuzzy, something like "If you do FM only
> - you dont need, it... use it for CW SSB".
>
> What will it give me in absolute numbers, like PPM or Hz?
> How bat it is without the board?
>
> Thanks,
> Alex K2BB
> ______________________________________________________________
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From glcazzola at alice.it  Sat Jul 27 05:23:11 2019
From: glcazzola at alice.it (IK4EWX)
Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2019 02:23:11 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft K3S usb and USB data only cable
Message-ID: <1564219391836-0.post@n2.nabble.com>

I have seen on the P3 that some little spurs are presents every two three khz
about -125dBm when the K3S dialogue with my Intel NUC pc, when using
Elecraft K3 Utility program or my logging program, winlog32.
I am thinking to use a data only usb cable (without the 5V wire from the pc
power supply, that I presume is causing this low RFI).
Is it possibile to connect the K3S to pc with a data only usb cable?
Does the K3S really need the external 5V? Does the K3S need the third wire
(ground)?
Thanks and 73,
Ian IK4EWX



--
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From glcazzola at alice.it  Sat Jul 27 05:25:47 2019
From: glcazzola at alice.it (IK4EWX)
Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2019 02:25:47 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft K3S usb and USB data only cable
Message-ID: <1564219547419-0.post@n2.nabble.com>

I have seen on the P3 that some little spurs are presents every two three khz
about -125dBm when the K3S dialogue with my Intel NUC pc, when using
Elecraft K3 Utility program or my logging program, winlog32.
I am thinking to use a data only usb cable (without the 5V wire from the pc
power supply, that I presume is causing this low RFI).
Is it possibile to connect the K3S to pc with a data only usb cable?
Does the K3S really need the external 5V? Does the K3S need the third wire
(ground)?
Thanks and 73,
Ian IK4EWX



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From mpridesti at yahoo.com  Sat Jul 27 09:23:15 2019
From: mpridesti at yahoo.com (Mpridesti)
Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2019 09:23:15 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Sudden K3 failure
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References: <87D3FFEC-4271-415E-98B4-1879A2F6D17D@yahoo.com>
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	<9FB29B17-B22E-4BF1-8EF5-E44583F5AE92@yahoo.com>
	<384c47b7-5d63-9d47-1ab7-85b3adf61772@mail4life.net>
	<41455173-BBA6-40E7-B24F-14E257969EF2@yahoo.com>
	<CA+03d8g70Xvn3jZ9iehVTRVKtvp6O0G_jyAU2EkqXrC=SmNOTw@mail.gmail.com>
	<9131D517-E4B4-49B0-B500-DCDFFE28202C@yahoo.com>
	<BA8ECB89-E785-4020-8809-0F32712FCCB4@me.com>
	<AC677816-A11D-49A7-88E0-36F0F95D6FB0@yahoo.com>
	<BN8PR05MB63872BAADF1016F9B8D149A6C3C30@BN8PR05MB6387.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <F05F8B8F-5AC2-422A-B9E2-09031860B97B@yahoo.com>

Although I was unable to exactly determine the source of failure, by using the Restore K3 Configuration button and use a previously saved file, brought the receiver back to life- thankfully!  Tweaking those tmp connectors helped as well. 

Wish I was able to get a better picture on what happened- like so many things in life, sometimes you reboot and move on .....

Thanks for all the helpful suggestions here!

Regards,

Mark, K1RX


> On Jul 27, 2019, at 12:27 AM, Mark Musick <markmusick at outlook.com> wrote:
> 
> Mark,
> Check to make sure the NR and NB are off. 
> Also, open the K3 utility and check the roofing filter settings.
> Does the lack of receiver noise occur regardless of which roofing filter is engaged?
> The narrower filters require additional gain and is set in the K3 utility. Using a narrower roofing filter without adding gain can produce the symptom you describe.
> Does your K3 have the old SYNS or the new SYNS?
> Let us know what you find. 
> 
> 73,
> Mark, WB9CIF
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On Behalf Of Mpridesti via Elecraft
> Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2019 02:58
> To: Jack Brindle <jackbrindle at me.com>
> Cc: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sudden K3 failure
> 
> Jack
> 
> Did check that - nope not the problem 
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Mark, K1RX
> 
> 
>> On Jul 26, 2019, at 10:54 PM, Jack Brindle <jackbrindle at me.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Perhaps the RxAnt is selected? Easy to do, easy to miss. Done it more times than I care to remember.
>> 
>> 73!
>> Jack, W6FB
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jul 26, 2019, at 7:42 PM, Mpridesti via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Sorry- did not fully see the problem
>>> 
>>> The receiver is not working on any band not just 40. Sounds like band noise on all bands (sounds the same on every band).  Did a comparison with a second K3 to confirm the no receiver problem on all bands. 
>>> 
>>> Previously found by rotating some of the tmp connectors on the SYN boards, got the TX problem to go away. So this ?no receive? seems unrelated. 
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> 
>>> Mark, K1RX
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Jul 26, 2019, at 9:57 PM, Barry Simpson <vk2bj at optusnet.com.au> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> What about RX antenna ?
>>>> 
>>>> Barry  VK2BJ
>>>> 
>>>>> On Sat, 27 Jul 2019 at 09:54, Mpridesti via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
>>>>> Confirmed that at an early stage of the trouble shooting.  No difference with either antenna selected (only one port has an antenna). 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Mark, K1RX
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jul 26, 2019, at 7:28 PM, Dennis Moore <dennis at mail4life.net> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Any chance you accidentally switched antennas on 40m?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Dennis NJ6G
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 7/26/2019 13:21, Mpridesti via Elecraft wrote:
>>>>>>> Although I was able get the TX running again by merely doing a small twist to all the TMP connectors that were reachable with top cover removed and behind the front panel, unable to bring back the receiver front end on 40 m. I hear noise and very weak signals but nothing like the normal band noise and a hot receiver previously.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Now wondering if another part of the radio (tmp connectors) needs a small twist to break up oxidation. Not clear as to why just one band is affected. Any thoughts from this great resource?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Mark, K1RX
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>>>>>> 
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>>>>> 
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From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Sat Jul 27 09:31:02 2019
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2019 08:31:02 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Sudden K3 failure
In-Reply-To: <F05F8B8F-5AC2-422A-B9E2-09031860B97B@yahoo.com>
References: <87D3FFEC-4271-415E-98B4-1879A2F6D17D@yahoo.com>
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	<B53A2CB9-F97F-420D-8AB7-6DE132F03120@yahoo.com>
	<9FB29B17-B22E-4BF1-8EF5-E44583F5AE92@yahoo.com>
	<384c47b7-5d63-9d47-1ab7-85b3adf61772@mail4life.net>
	<41455173-BBA6-40E7-B24F-14E257969EF2@yahoo.com>
	<CA+03d8g70Xvn3jZ9iehVTRVKtvp6O0G_jyAU2EkqXrC=SmNOTw@mail.gmail.com>
	<9131D517-E4B4-49B0-B500-DCDFFE28202C@yahoo.com>
	<BA8ECB89-E785-4020-8809-0F32712FCCB4@me.com>
	<AC677816-A11D-49A7-88E0-36F0F95D6FB0@yahoo.com>
	<BN8PR05MB63872BAADF1016F9B8D149A6C3C30@BN8PR05MB6387.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
	<F05F8B8F-5AC2-422A-B9E2-09031860B97B@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <dab51e3c-93ec-6cdf-d9b8-d9759565bd99@blomand.net>

Just shows HOW IMPORTANT keeping a current back-up file becomes.?? Glad 
that resolved the issue.

73

Bob, K4TAX


On 7/27/2019 8:23 AM, Mpridesti via Elecraft wrote:
> Although I was unable to exactly determine the source of failure, by using the Restore K3 Configuration button and use a previously saved file, brought the receiver back to life- thankfully!  Tweaking those tmp connectors helped as well.
>
> Wish I was able to get a better picture on what happened- like so many things in life, sometimes you reboot and move on .....
>
> Thanks for all the helpful suggestions here!
>
> Regards,
>
> Mark, K1RX
>
>
>> On Jul 27, 2019, at 12:27 AM, Mark Musick <markmusick at outlook.com> wrote:
>>
>> Mark,
>> Check to make sure the NR and NB are off.
>> Also, open the K3 utility and check the roofing filter settings.
>> Does the lack of receiver noise occur regardless of which roofing filter is engaged?
>> The narrower filters require additional gain and is set in the K3 utility. Using a narrower roofing filter without adding gain can produce the symptom you describe.
>> Does your K3 have the old SYNS or the new SYNS?
>> Let us know what you find.
>>
>> 73,
>> Mark, WB9CIF
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On Behalf Of Mpridesti via Elecraft
>> Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2019 02:58
>> To: Jack Brindle <jackbrindle at me.com>
>> Cc: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Sudden K3 failure
>>
>> Jack
>>
>> Did check that - nope not the problem
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Mark, K1RX
>>
>>
>>> On Jul 26, 2019, at 10:54 PM, Jack Brindle <jackbrindle at me.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Perhaps the RxAnt is selected? Easy to do, easy to miss. Done it more times than I care to remember.
>>>
>>> 73!
>>> Jack, W6FB
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Jul 26, 2019, at 7:42 PM, Mpridesti via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Sorry- did not fully see the problem
>>>>
>>>> The receiver is not working on any band not just 40. Sounds like band noise on all bands (sounds the same on every band).  Did a comparison with a second K3 to confirm the no receiver problem on all bands.
>>>>
>>>> Previously found by rotating some of the tmp connectors on the SYN boards, got the TX problem to go away. So this ?no receive? seems unrelated.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>> Mark, K1RX
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On Jul 26, 2019, at 9:57 PM, Barry Simpson <vk2bj at optusnet.com.au> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> What about RX antenna ?
>>>>>
>>>>> Barry  VK2BJ
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, 27 Jul 2019 at 09:54, Mpridesti via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
>>>>>> Confirmed that at an early stage of the trouble shooting.  No difference with either antenna selected (only one port has an antenna).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mark, K1RX
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Jul 26, 2019, at 7:28 PM, Dennis Moore <dennis at mail4life.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Any chance you accidentally switched antennas on 40m?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dennis NJ6G
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 7/26/2019 13:21, Mpridesti via Elecraft wrote:
>>>>>>>> Although I was able get the TX running again by merely doing a small twist to all the TMP connectors that were reachable with top cover removed and behind the front panel, unable to bring back the receiver front end on 40 m. I hear noise and very weak signals but nothing like the normal band noise and a hot receiver previously.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Now wondering if another part of the radio (tmp connectors) needs a small twist to break up oxidation. Not clear as to why just one band is affected. Any thoughts from this great resource?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Mark, K1RX
>>>>>>> ______________________________________________________________
>>>>>>> Elecraft mailing list
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From jackbrindle at me.com  Sat Jul 27 11:18:04 2019
From: jackbrindle at me.com (Jack Brindle)
Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2019 08:18:04 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft K3S usb and USB data only cable
In-Reply-To: <1564219391836-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1564219391836-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <78D15886-F43B-4185-8AEA-B849F6EA43B9@me.com>

You would be far better off finding a USB cable with built-in ferrite to handle the small noise. The noise is most likely coming from the NUC as part of its USB polling regime, and being transmitted along the shield of the USB cable. Using the ferrite should eliminate this issue. You don?t need to buy a special cable, passing the cable through a ferrite (expert K9YC says #31 core is the best to use) several times should take care of things for you.

73!
Jack, W6FB


> On Jul 27, 2019, at 2:23 AM, IK4EWX <glcazzola at alice.it> wrote:
> 
> I have seen on the P3 that some little spurs are presents every two three khz
> about -125dBm when the K3S dialogue with my Intel NUC pc, when using
> Elecraft K3 Utility program or my logging program, winlog32.
> I am thinking to use a data only usb cable (without the 5V wire from the pc
> power supply, that I presume is causing this low RFI).
> Is it possibile to connect the K3S to pc with a data only usb cable?
> Does the K3S really need the external 5V? Does the K3S need the third wire
> (ground)?
> Thanks and 73,
> Ian IK4EWX
> 
> 
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From mikek4qu at gmail.com  Sat Jul 27 11:25:20 2019
From: mikek4qu at gmail.com (Mike March)
Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2019 11:25:20 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 and EQ Plus
Message-ID: <CA+Z=FC4oe4MkkAw49NP_O9=ks=ecZCS+HARNRLpEM8ytfVKE6g@mail.gmail.com>

Anyone using the W2IHY EQ Plus with the K3?
Thanks,
Mike  K4QU

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540-539-8500 cell

From ve3ff at rac.ca  Sat Jul 27 11:45:43 2019
From: ve3ff at rac.ca (Dragan Mihajlovic)
Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2019 11:45:43 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] For sale PR6
Message-ID: <ffb444d7-a650-febe-75ad-f108937ffb64@rac.ca>

Hi,

Surplus to my needs,
PR-6 6M receive preamp with power cable and BNC adapters

US$60 shipped to US, CAN addresses.

If interested, please inquire off list.
Tnx for reading.

73
---
Dragan, VE3FF


From c-hawley at illinois.edu  Sat Jul 27 11:51:30 2019
From: c-hawley at illinois.edu (hawley, charles j jr)
Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2019 15:51:30 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] K Pod Intermittently Errors
In-Reply-To: <CA+Z=FC4oe4MkkAw49NP_O9=ks=ecZCS+HARNRLpEM8ytfVKE6g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+Z=FC4oe4MkkAw49NP_O9=ks=ecZCS+HARNRLpEM8ytfVKE6g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F7EC4E3B-4161-42A4-B770-9F4999EFA58A@illinois.edu>

For some buttons, the Pod makes mistakes occasionally. Instead of sending the correct macro, it?ll send a different button programmed one...or send both the tap and hold ones. Mostly just happens with two of the buttons #4 and #5.
My first pod messed up with #1 intermittently and Elecraft replaced it. But this one had a problem with #1 also intermittently.
And wisdom on this? I love the Pod anyway.

Chuck 
KE9UW

Sent from my iPhone, cjack 

> On Jul 27, 2019, at 10:25 AM, Mike March <mikek4qu at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Anyone using the W2IHY EQ Plus with the K3?
> Thanks,
> Mike  K4QU
> 
> -- 
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From cbjesseeNH at comcast.net  Sat Jul 27 11:59:44 2019
From: cbjesseeNH at comcast.net (MaverickNH)
Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2019 08:59:44 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Website - Ordering Error 27JUL?
Message-ID: <1564243184879-0.post@n2.nabble.com>

I'm trying to place an order on the Elecraft website noon EDT 27JUL. When I
try to add an item to the cart the wheel just spins and spins. No-go on a
Win10 PC or iPad. Might want to check that before Monday office open.

Bret/N4SRN



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From hidron at hotmail.com  Sat Jul 27 12:08:40 2019
From: hidron at hotmail.com (John Hiatt)
Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2019 16:08:40 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Website - Ordering Error 27JUL?
In-Reply-To: <1564243184879-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1564243184879-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <MWHPR11MB1246A6A66B350F8FA3716E21D9C30@MWHPR11MB1246.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>

Just tried and it works fine for me on Win10/Firefox.  Are you using any kind of script blocking add-on?  That is usually my issue when I run into that kind of problem.

John, KC7DRI


________________________________
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Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2019 8:59 AM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Website - Ordering Error 27JUL?

I'm trying to place an order on the Elecraft website noon EDT 27JUL. When I
try to add an item to the cart the wheel just spins and spins. No-go on a
Win10 PC or iPad. Might want to check that before Monday office open.

Bret/N4SRN



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From cbjesseeNH at comcast.net  Sat Jul 27 12:19:12 2019
From: cbjesseeNH at comcast.net (MaverickNH)
Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2019 09:19:12 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Website - Ordering Error 27JUL?
In-Reply-To: <MWHPR11MB1246A6A66B350F8FA3716E21D9C30@MWHPR11MB1246.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>
References: <1564243184879-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<MWHPR11MB1246A6A66B350F8FA3716E21D9C30@MWHPR11MB1246.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>
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Tried again and works now - either fixed or a glitch. Order incoming...



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From Gary at ka1j.com  Sat Jul 27 13:36:33 2019
From: Gary at ka1j.com (Gary Smith)
Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2019 13:36:33 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Not Zeroed
In-Reply-To: <CAFA9ujvNjPjYX4DtAwQRoiuLfyn7u+vc=b0E7Ay_FzdVtnK9iQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFA9ujtZKO6t3KWXOvYWJx+4CdK+Rp5G3ymbqh61wtyj8LHF9w@mail.gmail.com>,
	<84aab210-5893-a588-a44f-645631181b54@embarqmail.com>,
	<CAFA9ujvNjPjYX4DtAwQRoiuLfyn7u+vc=b0E7Ay_FzdVtnK9iQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5D3C8BA1.27612.D78D02D@Gary.ka1j.com>

Kev,

Glad it's working! I'm enough OCD that 
after being a few Hz off every so often 
and going through the ref cal procedure, I 
bought the exref option and a BFG7TBL 
GPSDO on fleabay. With this, the K3 & now 
K3s is adjusted perfectly at all times and 
the computer clock is dead on constantly.

I used NMEATime for the satellite software 
for time and it's for me, perfect, never 
fails.

Rarely I'll find the P3 is a tad off but 
when it is, all I do now is find WWV, set 
the span the the narrowest, tap the P3 
menu button, select ref cal, tap select, 
adjust the encoder till the center P3 line 
is in the center of the signal, tap select 
and I'm done. As the radio is always kept 
stable with the GPSDO, it's that one 
occasional above set of actions that takes 
30 seconds, to keep the P3 in perfect 
sync.

I believe Wayne said the hardware to 
connect directly to the GPSDO is included 
with the upcoming K4 series.

73,

Gary
KA1J


> Only to read the scale. Keyed from the rig.
> 
> It's working guys! As I mentioned, everything is lining up as
> expected.
> 
> This is why I went with Elecraft. Because of this group. Last group
> would have been everything from RTFM to why would you want to do
> that...
> 
> 73,
> Kev N4TT
> 
> On Thu, Jul 25, 2019 at 8:56 PM Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
> > Kev,
> >
> > Do you have FlDigi set to produce audio tones in SSB mode for CW or
> > is it keying the K3 directly? That will make a significant
> > difference, and the P3 signal placement will reflect that.
> >
> > We did not consider that you were using a software application to
> > produce CW previously to this post. Know what your software
> > application is doing and you may have the answer to your question.
> >
> > 73,
> > Don W3FPR
> >
> > On 7/25/2019 2:41 PM, Kevin, N4TT wrote:
> > > Hi Don:
> > >
> > > I'm still checking things out but I think I have it all working
> > > together. I calibrated the radio using WWV at 5, 10 and 15 MHz. I
> > > only had to line up one and the other two fell right in. Then I
> > > went to the P3 and lined that up with ref cal. Again, everything
> > > lined up at 5, 10 and 15.
> > >
> > > Then I want back to fldigi which is where I originally noticed the
> > > difference. I have the radio and fldigi set for a CW sidetone of
> > > 600 Hz. When I would tune in the radio for the 600 Hz tone on a
> > > random CW signal, the peak of the P3 trace was right over the
> > > signal and Fldigi showed the signal up at  600 Hz. Everything
> > > matched. This is what I was looking for, the three functions
> > > matching.
> > >
> > > I think I'm in good shape.
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
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From lists at subich.com  Sat Jul 27 13:46:24 2019
From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV)
Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2019 13:46:24 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 and EQ Plus
In-Reply-To: <CA+Z=FC4oe4MkkAw49NP_O9=ks=ecZCS+HARNRLpEM8ytfVKE6g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+Z=FC4oe4MkkAw49NP_O9=ks=ecZCS+HARNRLpEM8ytfVKE6g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e7113654-de1f-d0b0-2b9b-924a4d929832@subich.com>


Why?  The K3 already includes all the features of the
W3IHY EQ Plus.

73,

    ... Joe, W4TV


On 2019-07-27 11:25 AM, Mike March wrote:
> Anyone using the W2IHY EQ Plus with the K3?
> Thanks,
> Mike  K4QU
> 

From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Sat Jul 27 13:54:19 2019
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2019 10:54:19 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 and EQ Plus
In-Reply-To: <CA+Z=FC4oe4MkkAw49NP_O9=ks=ecZCS+HARNRLpEM8ytfVKE6g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+Z=FC4oe4MkkAw49NP_O9=ks=ecZCS+HARNRLpEM8ytfVKE6g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <cc8c4cd6-1cb7-9cb2-3936-f83a5f7206db@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On 7/27/2019 8:25 AM, Mike March wrote:
> Anyone using the W2IHY EQ Plus with the K3?

No good reason to do so -- everything is built into the K3, K3S, KX2, 
and KX3.

73, Jim K9YC


From wes_n7ws at triconet.org  Sat Jul 27 14:37:48 2019
From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes)
Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2019 11:37:48 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K Pod Intermittently Errors
In-Reply-To: <F7EC4E3B-4161-42A4-B770-9F4999EFA58A@illinois.edu>
References: <CA+Z=FC4oe4MkkAw49NP_O9=ks=ecZCS+HARNRLpEM8ytfVKE6g@mail.gmail.com>
	<F7EC4E3B-4161-42A4-B770-9F4999EFA58A@illinois.edu>
Message-ID: <d26ac457-ab5a-f866-e349-04b330994272@triconet.org>

Make sure you have the latest firmware in the K3.

I had lots of trouble early on with my K-Pod and it took me recording a video 
clip and sending it to Elecraft before they believed me (sigh).? Revised FW 
fixed it. That was some time ago and most likely you've upgraded, so this 
probably is a non-issue but one never knows.

Wes? N7WS


On 7/27/2019 8:51 AM, hawley, charles j jr wrote:
> For some buttons, the Pod makes mistakes occasionally. Instead of sending the correct macro, it?ll send a different button programmed one...or send both the tap and hold ones. Mostly just happens with two of the buttons #4 and #5.
> My first pod messed up with #1 intermittently and Elecraft replaced it. But this one had a problem with #1 also intermittently.
> And wisdom on this? I love the Pod anyway.
>
> Chuck
> KE9UW


From ray2.s at btinternet.com  Sat Jul 27 15:33:42 2019
From: ray2.s at btinternet.com (Ray Spreadbury)
Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2019 20:33:42 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 connecting to N1MM on Laptop
Message-ID: <009201d544b2$33c31cb0$9b495610$@btinternet.com>

Hi, after about 4 years of dormancy using other radios,  I've just about
finished building assembling my K2 (not the 100W version). I have built &
installed all the accessory modules so far except for the Noise Blanker. All
have checked out OK after replacing a "dud" trimmer in the ATU module.

I now want to connect the K2 to N1MM+ on the laptop, presumably using an
FTDI chipset USB/RS232 port connector plugged into the laptop. I have also
downloaded the Virtual Serial Port Emulator program & created a few virtual
COM ports in the same way as I would if using the K3 with N1MM+.

Using MENU/DISPLAY in the K2, I have switched the PORT - ON, but I don't see
anywhere to specify specific ports for connecting to the logging program & I
note that N1MM+ is not in the lists of programs in the KIO2 manual, which
seems somewhat of an oversight to me but I guess it's a historic omission?

I'm sure others have had a similar problem & hope that someone can point me
in the right direction? I had a K2 some years ago & seem to remember using a
Microham MK2 successfully but I hope to find a way of directly connecting
the K2 without using a Microham.

Any help or guidance appreciated

73 Ray G3XLG


From k6dgw at foothill.net  Sat Jul 27 15:50:29 2019
From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen)
Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2019 12:50:29 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 connecting to N1MM on Laptop
In-Reply-To: <009201d544b2$33c31cb0$9b495610$@btinternet.com>
References: <009201d544b2$33c31cb0$9b495610$@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <d39582ee-123e-8010-3d23-f150f5e812d8@foothill.net>

Do not plug a USB-Serial adapter into the DE9 on the back of your K2!? 
That connector has both TXD/RXD signals at RS-232 levels AND internal K2 
signals for accessories.

You need to fabricate an adapter that will connect ONLY TXD, RXD, and 
SIG GND to the USB adapter.? The COM port should show up in Device 
Mangler when you plug the USB into the computer.? No other ports 
required.? That COM port # goes into the N1MM+ Config->Ports display.

73,
Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

On 7/27/2019 12:33 PM, Ray Spreadbury via Elecraft wrote:
> Hi, after about 4 years of dormancy using other radios,  I've just about
> finished building assembling my K2 (not the 100W version). I have built &
> installed all the accessory modules so far except for the Noise Blanker. All
> have checked out OK after replacing a "dud" trimmer in the ATU module.
>
> I now want to connect the K2 to N1MM+ on the laptop, presumably using an
> FTDI chipset USB/RS232 port connector plugged into the laptop. I have also
> downloaded the Virtual Serial Port Emulator program & created a few virtual
> COM ports in the same way as I would if using the K3 with N1MM+.
>
> Using MENU/DISPLAY in the K2, I have switched the PORT - ON, but I don't see
> anywhere to specify specific ports for connecting to the logging program & I
> note that N1MM+ is not in the lists of programs in the KIO2 manual, which
> seems somewhat of an oversight to me but I guess it's a historic omission?
>
> I'm sure others have had a similar problem & hope that someone can point me
> in the right direction? I had a K2 some years ago & seem to remember using a
> Microham MK2 successfully but I hope to find a way of directly connecting
> the K2 without using a Microham.
>
> Any help or guidance appreciated
>
> 73 Ray G3XLG
>


From no9e at arrl.net  Sat Jul 27 16:05:02 2019
From: no9e at arrl.net (Ignacy)
Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2019 13:05:02 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] WSPR with KX3 and WSPR_Beacon/Android
Message-ID: <1564257902123-0.post@n2.nabble.com>

I am trying to use WSPR Beacon under Android with KX3 for Android to check
antennas. The beacon transmits and the signal appears but there are no
reports. K3 with WSPR under WSJT works fine.

I tried USB and data modes. 

Ignacy, NO9E   



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From DF6PA at darc.de  Sat Jul 27 16:30:35 2019
From: DF6PA at darc.de (Stephan Forth)
Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2019 22:30:35 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] WSPR with KX3 and WSPR_Beacon/Android
In-Reply-To: <1564257902123-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1564257902123-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <DBD5CD88-A3D0-4899-ABD7-1A5BA2366064@darc.de>

Did you took care about the time?
You should start exactly 2 seconds after an even minute.

73 Stephan

Am 27. Juli 2019 22:05:02 MESZ schrieb Ignacy <no9e at arrl.net>:
>I am trying to use WSPR Beacon under Android with KX3 for Android to
>check
>antennas. The beacon transmits and the signal appears but there are no
>reports. K3 with WSPR under WSJT works fine.
>
>I tried USB and data modes. 
>
>Ignacy, NO9E   
>
>
>
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From kevinr at coho.net  Sat Jul 27 19:44:19 2019
From: kevinr at coho.net (kevinr)
Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2019 16:44:19 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Announcement
Message-ID: <f471886b-5634-f159-0253-ada78efd4154@coho.net>

Good evening,

Early August in Northern Wisconsin.? He awoke early, just before dawn.? 
He yawned his way to the dock as the sky became lighter and got in his 
canoe. Paddling out to the island in the middle of the lake he woke up. 
The mist was rising off the water and the loons were calling in the 
distance.? "Good day to fish", thought he.? He set the paddle into the 
canoe and readied his gear.? Blue gills were calling his name.? So he 
began with earthworms on a number 12 hook.? At first it was slow going.? 
He paddled farther away from the island and found a hole.? Soon they 
were biting as fast as he could re-bait the hook.

Then things changed.? He was casting and hooking them, filling his 
bucket with blue gills.? But the loons were on a mission. They had been 
calling in the distance.? He had seen them running across the water 
approaching flight speed.? Off to visit another lake and torment those 
fishermen.? Stealth mission!? They circled around and landed behind 
him.? Using their submarine tactics they snuck within a few yards.? 
While he was casting, hooking, and re-baiting his hook they were 
planning their strategy.

The first one rose out of the water within feet of his canoe, directly 
behind him.? Then let out that cackle they all make when happy.? 
Normally you hear this at a distance of one hundred yards or more.? But, 
NO, this guy was feet away and even louder. Kevin, poor fisherman in 
canoe, rose to his feet in one fluid, if jerky, movement.? Screaming was 
on his mind.? Then, again, the cackle. "You beast you!", said he giving 
the loon a piece of his mind. Good thing Dad had taught him his balance 
skills or he'd have been in the lake soaking.? More cackling as the 
nearest loon paddled slowly off (grinning I am sure).

Fisherman Kevin baited his hook with trembling fingers.? "**** loon", 
said he.? Then he remembered Zen and found his center. "Where was that 
hole?"? He used the paddle in classic J stroke and moved quietly.? Cast, 
cast, hook.? OK, now re-bait.? But the next loon had another thought.? 
She rose and cackled behind him. ALWAYS behind him.? This time the 
fisherman did not take the bait.? "I'll whack you with my paddle if you 
do that again", met with more cackles.? No respect from the loons on 
this lake.? Sigh.? "Keep fishing Kevin, they can't do this all day."? 
Luckily that was true.? After about fifteen minutes they all took off 
and found a lake nearby.

Weather has been hot to mild to chilly this week.? I have been enjoying 
the fifth stage of fishing :)


Please join us on:

14050 kHz at 2200z Sunday (3 PM PDT Sunday)
 ? 7047 kHz at 0000z Monday (5 PM PDT Sunday)

 ?? 73,
 ????? Kevin. KD5ONS


_



.

From ve3dss at hotmail.com  Sat Jul 27 21:07:48 2019
From: ve3dss at hotmail.com (Dana Shtun)
Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2019 01:07:48 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: TRansverters & K3
References: <BD29778B-DDB8-455F-97F0-2B650FA2EF87@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <MWHPR11MB1662C396DD2A48D566831C2E8BC20@MWHPR11MB1662.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>



Russ
I am doing the exact same thing for 144 thru  5760

Here is my 1296 settings

XV5-ON
XV5-RF 1296  (selected band)   
XV5 IF  28   (internal transverter IF)
XV5 OFS 0   (I am GPS locked) 
SV5 PWR L 1.02
XV5 ADR INT TRN5

note the int trans  tells the K3 to use the internal 2 m module

73 Dana VE3DS
FN03 Toronto


From kevinr at coho.net  Sat Jul 27 23:26:52 2019
From: kevinr at coho.net (kevinr)
Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2019 20:26:52 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] My Elecraft impression
Message-ID: <33e2d2e5-ef52-5336-9edb-ce19184eeef9@coho.net>

A short note to you-all,

Please lend me your forbearance.? Since my introduction to Elecraft 
products in 1999 I have linked them with outdoor activities.? The smell 
of the forest is bound as firmly to them as is the scent of rosin.? 
Whenever I see or hear the word Elecraft I think of working comms from 
the boonies.? Next to a stream in Montana, from the mountains of New 
Mexico, a lake in Oregon, the highest point of Oklahoma, or a snowy 
hillside in Wisconsin an Elecraft rig can follow your travels as it has 
mine.? CW or those new-fangled modes like AM, or SSB, or RTTY, or even a 
"computer" mode, woo hoo.? Some of you use your Elecraft rigs only from 
home.? If you get out into the great outdoors your rigs will work 
better, trust me :)

73,

 ?? KD5ONS


-


From ray2.s at btinternet.com  Sun Jul 28 03:34:31 2019
From: ray2.s at btinternet.com (Ray Spreadbury)
Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2019 08:34:31 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 connecting to N1MM on Laptop
Message-ID: <005c01d54516$e598a180$b0c9e480$@btinternet.com>

Hi

Thanks for your interest & the replies received so far.

For the avoidance of doubt, I know that the KIO2 is not a true RS232 socket
& I constructed the shielded 4 wire adaptor cable (as in the KIO2 manual) to
plug into the K2 KIO2 port & plug the FTDI chipset USB/RS232 into that cable
& then into the laptop USB port.

73 Ray G3XLG


From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Sun Jul 28 08:52:08 2019
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2019 08:52:08 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 connecting to N1MM on Laptop
In-Reply-To: <009201d544b2$33c31cb0$9b495610$@btinternet.com>
References: <009201d544b2$33c31cb0$9b495610$@btinternet.com>
Message-ID: <e7ff27d0-1110-86e4-002f-82a97ad12bc3@embarqmail.com>

Ray,

It seems like you are expecting the K2 to define the COM port number (or 
perhaps it is just your wording).

The COM port is assigned to the USB to serial adapter by your computer.
Open Device Manager and then expand the ports item - then plug in the 
USB to serial adapter (no need to connect to the K2 at this point).
Observe which device is added and its associated COM port number.
Put that port number into N1MM+.

If you are planning to run several software applications simultaneously, 
then you will have to use Virtual COM ports,  Assign the COM port 
connected to the K2 to the virtual COM port application and then connect 
the various applications to the virtual COM ports created.

If you are running only one application at a time, there is no need for 
the virtual COM port software.

73,
Don W3FPR


On 7/27/2019 3:33 PM, Ray Spreadbury via Elecraft wrote:
> 
> I now want to connect the K2 to N1MM+ on the laptop, presumably using an
> FTDI chipset USB/RS232 port connector plugged into the laptop. I have also
> downloaded the Virtual Serial Port Emulator program & created a few virtual
> COM ports in the same way as I would if using the K3 with N1MM+.
> 
> Using MENU/DISPLAY in the K2, I have switched the PORT - ON, but I don't see
> anywhere to specify specific ports for connecting to the logging program & I
> note that N1MM+ is not in the lists of programs in the KIO2 manual, which
> seems somewhat of an oversight to me but I guess it's a historic omission?
> 

From c-hawley at illinois.edu  Sun Jul 28 09:06:34 2019
From: c-hawley at illinois.edu (hawley, charles j jr)
Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2019 13:06:34 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] K Pod Intermittently Errors
In-Reply-To: <d26ac457-ab5a-f866-e349-04b330994272@triconet.org>
References: <CA+Z=FC4oe4MkkAw49NP_O9=ks=ecZCS+HARNRLpEM8ytfVKE6g@mail.gmail.com>
	<F7EC4E3B-4161-42A4-B770-9F4999EFA58A@illinois.edu>,
	<d26ac457-ab5a-f866-e349-04b330994272@triconet.org>
Message-ID: <DM6PR11MB35144E755BAF1789A9510845FBC20@DM6PR11MB3514.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>

I have the latest firmware, and reloaded it. I also rewrote the macros to the K3s. No help. Maybe I'll send it to Watsonville.

Chuck Hawley
 c-hawley at illinois.edu

 Amateur Radio, KE9UW
 aka Jack, BMW Motorcycles

________________________________
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> on behalf of Wes <wes_n7ws at triconet.org>
Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2019 1:37 PM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K Pod Intermittently Errors

Make sure you have the latest firmware in the K3.

I had lots of trouble early on with my K-Pod and it took me recording a video
clip and sending it to Elecraft before they believed me (sigh).  Revised FW
fixed it. That was some time ago and most likely you've upgraded, so this
probably is a non-issue but one never knows.

Wes  N7WS


On 7/27/2019 8:51 AM, hawley, charles j jr wrote:
> For some buttons, the Pod makes mistakes occasionally. Instead of sending the correct macro, it?ll send a different button programmed one...or send both the tap and hold ones. Mostly just happens with two of the buttons #4 and #5.
> My first pod messed up with #1 intermittently and Elecraft replaced it. But this one had a problem with #1 also intermittently.
> And wisdom on this? I love the Pod anyway.
>
> Chuck
> KE9UW

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From w0agmike at gmail.com  Sun Jul 28 09:36:15 2019
From: w0agmike at gmail.com (Mike Murray)
Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2019 08:36:15 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3/P3 FS - Price Reduced!
Message-ID: <CAP7zeEKQ9p1amw8n33ujr4nJ8gZYj7JMXpCqn-X3eoEAu9hmMg@mail.gmail.com>

*Original*
$2,149.95  K3/100-F    1     K3 100W Xcvr. (Factory assembled) Serial #3746
     329.95  KAT3-F       1     K3 ATU
     109.95  KXV3A        1     K3 RX Ant, IF Out & Xvrtr Int
     649.95  KRX3          1     K3 2nd RX
     125.95 KFL3A-400   1     K3 400 Hz, 8 pole filter  (Main RX)
     259.90 KFL3A-2.8K  2     K3 2.8 kHz, 8 pole filter (Main/Sub RX)
        749.95  P3-F K3 Panadapter (Factory assembled)
   *     129.95*  "Y-Box" by N6TV  15 pin parallel DE15 splitter and
breakout box
    $4,505.55

Complete price for all of the above is $2,2000.00 and I'll deliver within
150 miles of Crossville, TN.  I can also ship, postage and insurance extra.
w0ag at arrl.net

From macymonkeys at charter.net  Sun Jul 28 09:43:27 2019
From: macymonkeys at charter.net (Macy monkeys)
Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2019 06:43:27 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3/P3 FS - Price Reduced!
In-Reply-To: <CAP7zeEKQ9p1amw8n33ujr4nJ8gZYj7JMXpCqn-X3eoEAu9hmMg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAP7zeEKQ9p1amw8n33ujr4nJ8gZYj7JMXpCqn-X3eoEAu9hmMg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <93D2A88C-0D99-4D44-8265-67AEC303027E@charter.net>

:)   

> On Jul 28, 2019, at 6:36 AM, Mike Murray <w0agmike at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> *Original*
> $2,149.95  K3/100-F    1     K3 100W Xcvr. (Factory assembled) Serial #3746
>     329.95  KAT3-F       1     K3 ATU
>     109.95  KXV3A        1     K3 RX Ant, IF Out & Xvrtr Int
>     649.95  KRX3          1     K3 2nd RX
>     125.95 KFL3A-400   1     K3 400 Hz, 8 pole filter  (Main RX)
>     259.90 KFL3A-2.8K  2     K3 2.8 kHz, 8 pole filter (Main/Sub RX)
>        749.95  P3-F K3 Panadapter (Factory assembled)
>   *     129.95*  "Y-Box" by N6TV  15 pin parallel DE15 splitter and
> breakout box
>    $4,505.55
> 
> Complete price for all of the above is $2,2000.00 and I'll deliver within
> 150 miles of Crossville, TN.  I can also ship, postage and insurance extra.
> w0ag at arrl.net
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From MarkMu.Boeing747 at Yahoo.com  Sun Jul 28 10:06:42 2019
From: MarkMu.Boeing747 at Yahoo.com (Mark Murray)
Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2019 10:06:42 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft KFL3A-500 5-pole CW filter
Message-ID: <000001d5454d$afb0b710$0f122530$@Yahoo.com>

Hi, Bill.  Sent you an email to your QRZ address, on this subject.  If
you did not get the email, kindly reply to me off-line, at W2OR (at)
arrl (dot)  NET

Thanks.  // mm


From c-hawley at illinois.edu  Sun Jul 28 12:52:34 2019
From: c-hawley at illinois.edu (hawley, charles j jr)
Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2019 16:52:34 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] K Pod Intermittently Errors
In-Reply-To: <DM6PR11MB35144E755BAF1789A9510845FBC20@DM6PR11MB3514.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>
References: <CA+Z=FC4oe4MkkAw49NP_O9=ks=ecZCS+HARNRLpEM8ytfVKE6g@mail.gmail.com>
	<F7EC4E3B-4161-42A4-B770-9F4999EFA58A@illinois.edu>,
	<d26ac457-ab5a-f866-e349-04b330994272@triconet.org>,
	<DM6PR11MB35144E755BAF1789A9510845FBC20@DM6PR11MB3514.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <4BB35F88-247B-41BC-8D35-1391189AC4FB@illinois.edu>

It?s kind of like switch bounce, for double repeats, but also does the next button, #5, after the #4 sometimes. When I had the #1 issues, I moved the popular function to #4. Working my way right off the Pod :)

Chuck Jack Hawley 
KE9UW

Sent from my iPhone, cjack 

> On Jul 28, 2019, at 8:17 AM, hawley, charles j jr <c-hawley at illinois.edu> wrote:
> 
> I have the latest firmware, and reloaded it. I also rewrote the macros to the K3s. No help. Maybe I'll send it to Watsonville.
> 
> Chuck Hawley
> c-hawley at illinois.edu
> 
> Amateur Radio, KE9UW
> aka Jack, BMW Motorcycles
> 
> ________________________________
> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> on behalf of Wes <wes_n7ws at triconet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2019 1:37 PM
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K Pod Intermittently Errors
> 
> Make sure you have the latest firmware in the K3.
> 
> I had lots of trouble early on with my K-Pod and it took me recording a video
> clip and sending it to Elecraft before they believed me (sigh).  Revised FW
> fixed it. That was some time ago and most likely you've upgraded, so this
> probably is a non-issue but one never knows.
> 
> Wes  N7WS
> 
> 
>> On 7/27/2019 8:51 AM, hawley, charles j jr wrote:
>> For some buttons, the Pod makes mistakes occasionally. Instead of sending the correct macro, it?ll send a different button programmed one...or send both the tap and hold ones. Mostly just happens with two of the buttons #4 and #5.
>> My first pod messed up with #1 intermittently and Elecraft replaced it. But this one had a problem with #1 also intermittently.
>> And wisdom on this? I love the Pod anyway.
>> 
>> Chuck
>> KE9UW
> 
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From c-hawley at illinois.edu  Sun Jul 28 12:59:19 2019
From: c-hawley at illinois.edu (hawley, charles j jr)
Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2019 16:59:19 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] K Pod Intermittently Errors
In-Reply-To: <4BB35F88-247B-41BC-8D35-1391189AC4FB@illinois.edu>
References: <CA+Z=FC4oe4MkkAw49NP_O9=ks=ecZCS+HARNRLpEM8ytfVKE6g@mail.gmail.com>
	<F7EC4E3B-4161-42A4-B770-9F4999EFA58A@illinois.edu>,
	<d26ac457-ab5a-f866-e349-04b330994272@triconet.org>,
	<DM6PR11MB35144E755BAF1789A9510845FBC20@DM6PR11MB3514.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>,
	<4BB35F88-247B-41BC-8D35-1391189AC4FB@illinois.edu>
Message-ID: <3BA9727A-C916-49B9-B0C4-BD747E8649F1@illinois.edu>

Wonder if that ?other companie?s? button pad works better?

Chuck Jack Hawley 
KE9UW

Sent from my iPhone, cjack 

> On Jul 28, 2019, at 11:52 AM, hawley, charles j jr <c-hawley at illinois.edu> wrote:
> 
> It?s kind of like switch bounce, for double repeats, but also does the next button, #5, after the #4 sometimes. When I had the #1 issues, I moved the popular function to #4. Working my way right off the Pod :)
> 
> Chuck Jack Hawley 
> KE9UW
> 
> Sent from my iPhone, cjack 
> 
>> On Jul 28, 2019, at 8:17 AM, hawley, charles j jr <c-hawley at illinois.edu> wrote:
>> 
>> I have the latest firmware, and reloaded it. I also rewrote the macros to the K3s. No help. Maybe I'll send it to Watsonville.
>> 
>> Chuck Hawley
>> c-hawley at illinois.edu
>> 
>> Amateur Radio, KE9UW
>> aka Jack, BMW Motorcycles
>> 
>> ________________________________
>> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> on behalf of Wes <wes_n7ws at triconet.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2019 1:37 PM
>> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K Pod Intermittently Errors
>> 
>> Make sure you have the latest firmware in the K3.
>> 
>> I had lots of trouble early on with my K-Pod and it took me recording a video
>> clip and sending it to Elecraft before they believed me (sigh).  Revised FW
>> fixed it. That was some time ago and most likely you've upgraded, so this
>> probably is a non-issue but one never knows.
>> 
>> Wes  N7WS
>> 
>> 
>>> On 7/27/2019 8:51 AM, hawley, charles j jr wrote:
>>> For some buttons, the Pod makes mistakes occasionally. Instead of sending the correct macro, it?ll send a different button programmed one...or send both the tap and hold ones. Mostly just happens with two of the buttons #4 and #5.
>>> My first pod messed up with #1 intermittently and Elecraft replaced it. But this one had a problem with #1 also intermittently.
>>> And wisdom on this? I love the Pod anyway.
>>> 
>>> Chuck
>>> KE9UW
>> 
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From K6FW1 at verizon.net  Sun Jul 28 13:07:14 2019
From: K6FW1 at verizon.net (Frank)
Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2019 10:07:14 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K Pod Intermittently Errors
Message-ID: <5386057D-0C01-4C67-BB45-212BD2CAEF03@verizon.net>

I had problems with my K POD RIT/XIT working intermittently with the K3.  The XIT/RIT worked fine on the K3.  I opened a case and sent videos to Elecraft.  They sent a new K POD but the problem was not resolved.  They had no other solutions and the case was closed without resolution.  

Years later I upgraded to a K3S and the same K POD works perfectly.  Apparently my 2013 K3 CPU processing power was not robust enough to support the K POD fully.  I did not us the XIT/RIT function often and really liked the tuning and macro buttons so overall I was happy.  

Frank 
K6FW 


Message: 6
Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2019 15:51:30 +0000
From: "hawley, charles j jr" <c-hawley at illinois.edu <mailto:c-hawley at illinois.edu>>
To: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net <mailto:elecraft at mailman.qth.net>" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net <mailto:elecraft at mailman.qth.net>>
Subject: [Elecraft] K Pod Intermittently Errors
Message-ID: <F7EC4E3B-4161-42A4-B770-9F4999EFA58A at illinois.edu <mailto:F7EC4E3B-4161-42A4-B770-9F4999EFA58A at illinois.edu>>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

For some buttons, the Pod makes mistakes occasionally. Instead of sending the correct macro, it?ll send a different button programmed one...or send both the tap and hold ones. Mostly just happens with two of the buttons #4 and #5.
My first pod messed up with #1 intermittently and Elecraft replaced it. But this one had a problem with #1 also intermittently.
And wisdom on this? I love the Pod anyway.

Chuck 
KE9UW

Sent from my iPhone, cjack 

From wes_n7ws at triconet.org  Sun Jul 28 13:18:06 2019
From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes)
Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2019 10:18:06 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K Pod Intermittently Errors
In-Reply-To: <4BB35F88-247B-41BC-8D35-1391189AC4FB@illinois.edu>
References: <CA+Z=FC4oe4MkkAw49NP_O9=ks=ecZCS+HARNRLpEM8ytfVKE6g@mail.gmail.com>
	<F7EC4E3B-4161-42A4-B770-9F4999EFA58A@illinois.edu>
	<d26ac457-ab5a-f866-e349-04b330994272@triconet.org>
	<DM6PR11MB35144E755BAF1789A9510845FBC20@DM6PR11MB3514.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>
	<4BB35F88-247B-41BC-8D35-1391189AC4FB@illinois.edu>
Message-ID: <31190b12-4a6f-ee60-871c-59d21319b6d7@triconet.org>

I'll probably raise the ire of the faithful but I'm not too sure that making a 
connection to this connector is a good idea in the first place.? I'm certainly 
not an expert on what this is connected to inside the radio, but re-purposing a 
connection that was put in for factory test purposes and probably not well 
buffered might be problematic.

Just a thought

Wes? N7WS

On 7/28/2019 9:52 AM, hawley, charles j jr wrote:
> It?s kind of like switch bounce, for double repeats, but also does the next button, #5, after the #4 sometimes. When I had the #1 issues, I moved the popular function to #4. Working my way right off the Pod :)
>
> Chuck Jack Hawley
> KE9UW


From c-hawley at illinois.edu  Sun Jul 28 13:26:58 2019
From: c-hawley at illinois.edu (hawley, charles j jr)
Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2019 17:26:58 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] K Pod Intermittently Errors
In-Reply-To: <3BA9727A-C916-49B9-B0C4-BD747E8649F1@illinois.edu>
References: <CA+Z=FC4oe4MkkAw49NP_O9=ks=ecZCS+HARNRLpEM8ytfVKE6g@mail.gmail.com>
	<F7EC4E3B-4161-42A4-B770-9F4999EFA58A@illinois.edu>,
	<d26ac457-ab5a-f866-e349-04b330994272@triconet.org>,
	<DM6PR11MB35144E755BAF1789A9510845FBC20@DM6PR11MB3514.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>,
	<4BB35F88-247B-41BC-8D35-1391189AC4FB@illinois.edu>,
	<3BA9727A-C916-49B9-B0C4-BD747E8649F1@illinois.edu>
Message-ID: <AE80C5D1-A2F6-4ABC-8789-87F59EDD4D19@illinois.edu>

Company?s :)

Chuck Jack Hawley 
KE9UW

Sent from my iPhone, cjack 

> On Jul 28, 2019, at 11:59 AM, hawley, charles j jr <c-hawley at illinois.edu> wrote:
> 
> Wonder if that ?other companie?s? button pad works better?
> 
> Chuck Jack Hawley 
> KE9UW
> 
> Sent from my iPhone, cjack 
> 
>> On Jul 28, 2019, at 11:52 AM, hawley, charles j jr <c-hawley at illinois.edu> wrote:
>> 
>> It?s kind of like switch bounce, for double repeats, but also does the next button, #5, after the #4 sometimes. When I had the #1 issues, I moved the popular function to #4. Working my way right off the Pod :)
>> 
>> Chuck Jack Hawley 
>> KE9UW
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone, cjack 
>> 
>>> On Jul 28, 2019, at 8:17 AM, hawley, charles j jr <c-hawley at illinois.edu> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I have the latest firmware, and reloaded it. I also rewrote the macros to the K3s. No help. Maybe I'll send it to Watsonville.
>>> 
>>> Chuck Hawley
>>> c-hawley at illinois.edu
>>> 
>>> Amateur Radio, KE9UW
>>> aka Jack, BMW Motorcycles
>>> 
>>> ________________________________
>>> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> on behalf of Wes <wes_n7ws at triconet.org>
>>> Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2019 1:37 PM
>>> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
>>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K Pod Intermittently Errors
>>> 
>>> Make sure you have the latest firmware in the K3.
>>> 
>>> I had lots of trouble early on with my K-Pod and it took me recording a video
>>> clip and sending it to Elecraft before they believed me (sigh).  Revised FW
>>> fixed it. That was some time ago and most likely you've upgraded, so this
>>> probably is a non-issue but one never knows.
>>> 
>>> Wes  N7WS
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 7/27/2019 8:51 AM, hawley, charles j jr wrote:
>>>> For some buttons, the Pod makes mistakes occasionally. Instead of sending the correct macro, it?ll send a different button programmed one...or send both the tap and hold ones. Mostly just happens with two of the buttons #4 and #5.
>>>> My first pod messed up with #1 intermittently and Elecraft replaced it. But this one had a problem with #1 also intermittently.
>>>> And wisdom on this? I love the Pod anyway.
>>>> 
>>>> Chuck
>>>> KE9UW
>>> 
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From w4kx at mac.com  Sun Jul 28 15:10:55 2019
From: w4kx at mac.com (Tom Doligalski)
Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2019 15:10:55 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K Pod Intermittently Errors
In-Reply-To: <5386057D-0C01-4C67-BB45-212BD2CAEF03@verizon.net>
References: <5386057D-0C01-4C67-BB45-212BD2CAEF03@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <8560E0C1-3C4A-4C96-8DF3-19178ABACCC9@mac.com>

My K3 is even older than yours (#969) but the KPOD worked flawlessly out of the box. 

Tom W4KX

Sent from my iPad

> On Jul 28, 2019, at 1:07 PM, Frank via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
> 
> ?I had problems with my K POD RIT/XIT working intermittently with the K3.  The XIT/RIT worked fine on the K3.  I opened a case and sent videos to Elecraft.  They sent a new K POD but the problem was not resolved.  They had no other solutions and the case was closed without resolution.  
> 
> Years later I upgraded to a K3S and the same K POD works perfectly.  Apparently my 2013 K3 CPU processing power was not robust enough to support the K POD fully.  I did not us the XIT/RIT function often and really liked the tuning and macro buttons so overall I was happy.  
> 
> Frank 
> K6FW 
> 
> 
> Message: 6
> Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2019 15:51:30 +0000
> From: "hawley, charles j jr" <c-hawley at illinois.edu <mailto:c-hawley at illinois.edu>>
> To: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net <mailto:elecraft at mailman.qth.net>" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net <mailto:elecraft at mailman.qth.net>>
> Subject: [Elecraft] K Pod Intermittently Errors
> Message-ID: <F7EC4E3B-4161-42A4-B770-9F4999EFA58A at illinois.edu <mailto:F7EC4E3B-4161-42A4-B770-9F4999EFA58A at illinois.edu>>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> 
> For some buttons, the Pod makes mistakes occasionally. Instead of sending the correct macro, it?ll send a different button programmed one...or send both the tap and hold ones. Mostly just happens with two of the buttons #4 and #5.
> My first pod messed up with #1 intermittently and Elecraft replaced it. But this one had a problem with #1 also intermittently.
> And wisdom on this? I love the Pod anyway.
> 
> Chuck 
> KE9UW
> 
> Sent from my iPhone, cjack 
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From ghyoungman at gmail.com  Sun Jul 28 15:25:42 2019
From: ghyoungman at gmail.com (Grant Youngman)
Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2019 15:25:42 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K Pod Intermittently Errors
In-Reply-To: <8560E0C1-3C4A-4C96-8DF3-19178ABACCC9@mac.com>
References: <5386057D-0C01-4C67-BB45-212BD2CAEF03@verizon.net>
	<8560E0C1-3C4A-4C96-8DF3-19178ABACCC9@mac.com>
Message-ID: <6DE2FEF9-B7C6-4996-BC12-360A635481DB@gmail.com>

Of the differences enumerated by Elecraft between the K3 and K3S, processing power on the FP board was not one of them.

I find it hard to believe that the problem had anything to do with ?processing power? in the gentleman?s K3S.  It sounds like there was some other issue with his K3 .. and everyone gave up to soon to figure out what it was.

Grant NQ5T
K3 #2091 KX3 #8342

> On Jul 28, 2019, at 3:10 PM, Tom Doligalski via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
> 
> My K3 is even older than yours (#969) but the KPOD worked flawlessly out of the box. 
> 
> Tom W4KX
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> 
>> Years later I upgraded to a K3S and the same K POD works perfectly.  Apparently my 2013 K3 CPU processing power was not robust enough to support the K POD fully.  I did not us the XIT/RIT function often and really liked the tuning and macro buttons so overall I was happy.  
>> 


From k6dgw at foothill.net  Sun Jul 28 16:23:49 2019
From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen)
Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2019 13:23:49 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K Pod Intermittently Errors
In-Reply-To: <8560E0C1-3C4A-4C96-8DF3-19178ABACCC9@mac.com>
References: <5386057D-0C01-4C67-BB45-212BD2CAEF03@verizon.net>
	<8560E0C1-3C4A-4C96-8DF3-19178ABACCC9@mac.com>
Message-ID: <62965c55-2da0-9d96-682e-198129a1d0b2@foothill.net>

Likewise, my K3 [#642] isn't older than dirt however dirt was fairly 
young when I assembled it and my KPod worked just fine when I got it 
earlier this year.

On 7/28/2019 12:10 PM, Tom Doligalski via Elecraft wrote:
> My K3 is even older than yours (#969) but the KPOD worked flawlessly out of the box.
>
> Tom W4KX
>
>


From ray2.s at btinternet.com  Sun Jul 28 16:43:07 2019
From: ray2.s at btinternet.com (Ray S)
Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2019 21:43:07 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 connecting to N1MM on Laptop
Message-ID: <5D2F0B6300DD59BC@rgout03.bt.lon5.cpcloud.co.uk> (added by
	postmaster@btinternet.com)

Hi Don
Yes, I guess I was expecting to be able to assign the COM port in the K2. However I followed your suggestion & the laptop assigned COM3 to the USB/RS232 adaptor & confirmed that the driver is OK & the device is working.
But when I connect the K2 to the 4 wire cable, open N1MM+ & enter COM3 in the N1MM Config/Hardware tab it doesn?t recognize the K2 frequency etc. Maybe I?d better check the cable before anything else.
73 Ray G3XLG

Sent from Mail for Windows 10


From kb2m at arrl.net  Sun Jul 28 17:42:15 2019
From: kb2m at arrl.net (jeff griffin)
Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2019 17:42:15 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3/0 complete remote system for sale
Message-ID: <008d01d5458d$52f76d30$f8e64790$@net>

I have in excess of my needs a complete K3/0 remote system. This package
will include..

1.       A K3/0

2.       A remoteRig RRC-1258 MkII K3 Elecraft K3 twin set

3.       An Astron SS-18 power supply.

4.       A Yamaha CM500 headset w/PTT switch

5.       All cables needed at both ends to hook up and power on.

 

I used to run remote all of the time while traveling, but haven't used this
but twice in the last year. You really can't beat having an  actual
hardware radio, the K3/0 in front of you while remoting. All equipment in
scratch free, very good,  non smoker condition. Pictures available if
needed.  $975 for the package shipped insured CONUS. Will ship offshore, but
shipping will be extra, pre paid.

 

73 Jeff kb2m 


From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Sun Jul 28 20:17:30 2019
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2019 20:17:30 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 connecting to N1MM on Laptop
In-Reply-To: <5D2F0B6300DD59BC@rgout03.bt.lon5.cpcloud.co.uk>
References: <5D2F0B6300DD59BC@rgout03.bt.lon5.cpcloud.co.uk>
Message-ID: <8923a514-69d4-ef38-c138-666176aaf42f@embarqmail.com>

Ray,

The cable is a 3 wire, not a 4 wire.
Yes, the shield is connected to pin 1 at the K2 end, but the shield 
should not connect to anything at the KUSB to serial adapter end.  The 
shield is used as a Faraday Shield by connecting to ground at only one end.

Is that possibly your problem.

Make sure the N1MM+ baud rate is set to 4800 baud and not its default.

You might try connecting with something more simplistic than N1MM+.  Try 
a terminal application running on the PC and see if the commands listed 
in the KIO2 manual produce good results.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 7/28/2019 4:43 PM, Ray S via Elecraft wrote:
> Hi Don
> Yes, I guess I was expecting to be able to assign the COM port in the K2. However I followed your suggestion & the laptop assigned COM3 to the USB/RS232 adaptor & confirmed that the driver is OK & the device is working.
> But when I connect the K2 to the 4 wire cable, open N1MM+ & enter COM3 in the N1MM Config/Hardware tab it doesn?t recognize the K2 frequency etc. Maybe I?d better check the cable before anything else.
> 73 Ray G3XLG

From n4zr at comcast.net  Sun Jul 28 20:52:22 2019
From: n4zr at comcast.net (N4ZR)
Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2019 20:52:22 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] SO2R with 2 K3s, one KPA-1500
Message-ID: <fee99802-fcb0-e364-1fe5-2c3fa5bc8015@comcast.net>

I don't believe I've seen anything definitive about this possibility.? 
Has anyone done it?

-- 

73, Pete N4ZR
Check out the Reverse Beacon Network
at <http://reversebeacon.net>, now
spotting RTTY activity worldwide.
For spots, please use your favorite
"retail" DX cluster.


From kevinr at coho.net  Sun Jul 28 21:42:53 2019
From: kevinr at coho.net (kevinr)
Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2019 18:42:53 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Report
Message-ID: <3d4578a5-abc5-74ad-d324-390d31937408@coho.net>

Good Evening,

Conditions were not good, abysmal comes to mind.? However, the day was 
not a total bust.? Two flocks of warblers are surrounding the flowering 
shrubs near the house.? The yellow warbler is fairly common, they got on 
my life list almost ten years ago.? But there was a new one which has 
been hard to pin down.? They showed up about a week ago and I've not 
been able to see them long enough to get decent field marks.? Today they 
were outside this window for a full five minutes so I now have the male 
and female Townsend's warbler on my list.? Woo Hoo!? A new one is always 
exciting.

I also tracked down a bug which appears to be almost 40 years old.? In 
1980 I began modeling three dimensional objects.? First came my house 
then the Platonic solids, then I generated various frequency geodesic 
spheres.? Those geodesics are all based on my home brew icosahedron data 
set.? The problem was with the lower five faces.? Instead of being 
ordered counter-clockwise they were in the opposite order.? When I 
created the eight frequency geodesic data set earlier this week the 
display app broke showing all sorts of odd faces.? Once I put the 
original data into the proper order the generating program gave me the 
correct data.? Now I have the sun orbiting my new sphere as was intended.

Two victories in one day outweigh the horrid, abysmal, poor, bad, 
terrible propagation.? I also received a number of emails telling me 
about visiting relatives, trees falling on antennas, loon obsession, and 
having to visit the clinic.? Time for me to get out with my binoculars 
and spy the next occupant on my life list or find another ancient bug.? 
This code would be much simpler in APL.? In Forth it was blazingly fast 
even on my TRS-80, using C/C++ on a modern processor blows my mind.? Or 
propagation could improve.


 ? On 14051 kHz at 2200z:

K6XK - Roy - IA

K4TAX -? Bob - TN


 ? On 7048 kHz at 0000z:

K6PJV - Dale - CA

K0DTJ - Brian - CA


One of these days conditions will improve.? Until then remember all the 
other aspects of your life.? Fishing is a good metaphor for amateur 
radio.? Sometimes they are just not biting.? Other times have you 
logging ops faster than you can type.? And, then, of course, there are 
the loons :)

 ? Until next week stay well,

 ???? 73,

 ???????? Kevin.? KD5ONS










Good news!? If we're in the right place we're here.

-


From ray2.s at btinternet.com  Mon Jul 29 06:55:12 2019
From: ray2.s at btinternet.com (Ray Spreadbury)
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2019 11:55:12 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 connecting to N1MM on Laptop
Message-ID: <006701d545fc$191e50f0$4b5af2d0$@btinternet.com>

Hi Don (& Mark)

I checked the cable which was OK - it is a 4 wire cable Don but the white is
not connected. 

However I have just found that the baud rate in N1MM+ was not set to 4800 in
the Config/Hardware tab. When I changed it to 4800 everything started
working OK.

Thank you for your help, once again!

73

Ray G3XLG


From ha4zd at t-online.hu  Mon Jul 29 12:25:31 2019
From: ha4zd at t-online.hu (=?UTF-8?B?U3phYsOzIElzdHbDoW4=?=)
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2019 18:25:31 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] No mails for a few days again
Message-ID: <48131516-d368-6327-f711-b73281ea9138@t-online.hu>



From mark.moeller3 at gmail.com  Mon Jul 29 16:28:04 2019
From: mark.moeller3 at gmail.com (Mark Moeller)
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2019 16:28:04 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Charger
Message-ID: <CAHaMtNV4=ejGVqzSn_=Yjhm=Kz1U7SNqdV7J0xaYYekOKQvBmQ@mail.gmail.com>

Appreciate any recommendations for a 110v charger for my KX2. This would be
to use while I am running at my home. Thanks

KA9LWK

-- 
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317-225-6630
mark.moeller3 at gmail.com

From jimfinan at att.net  Mon Jul 29 17:22:29 2019
From: jimfinan at att.net (Jim Finan)
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2019 17:22:29 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Charger
In-Reply-To: <CAHaMtNV4=ejGVqzSn_=Yjhm=Kz1U7SNqdV7J0xaYYekOKQvBmQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <la28c66ocgt7a90glte26s6u.1564435349031@att.net>

Mark,

Try Pro Audio Engineering they have a good one that work for KX2 and KX3 with PX3:

Proaudioeng.com

Use them for my KX2 and KX3 with no issues or noise. 

Jim

Jim Finan
AB4AC



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	? Original Message ?



From: mark.moeller3 at gmail.com
Sent: July 29, 2019 4:29 PM
To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] Charger


Appreciate any recommendations for a 110v charger for my KX2. This would be
to use while I am running at my home. Thanks

KA9LWK

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317-225-6630
mark.moeller3 at gmail.com
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From kb2m at arrl.net  Mon Jul 29 17:24:17 2019
From: kb2m at arrl.net (jeff griffin)
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2019 17:24:17 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3/0 complete remote system for sale
Message-ID: <008c01d54653$faa27b80$efe77280$@net>

The K3/0 remote package has been sold. Thanks for all the interest.

 

73 Jeff kb2m

 

From: jeff griffin [mailto:kb2m at arrl.net] 
Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2019 5:42 PM
To: 'Elecraft'
Cc: 'Elecraft-K3 at groups.io'
Subject: K3/0 complete remote system for sale

 

I have in excess of my needs a complete K3/0 remote system. This package
will include..

1.       A K3/0

2.       A remoteRig RRC-1258 MkII K3 Elecraft K3 twin set

3.       An Astron SS-18 power supply.

4.       A Yamaha CM500 headset w/PTT switch

5.       All cables needed at both ends to hook up and power on.

 

I used to run remote all of the time while traveling, but haven't used this
but twice in the last year. You really can't beat having an  actual
hardware radio, the K3/0 in front of you while remoting. All equipment in
scratch free, very good,  non smoker condition. Pictures available if
needed.  $975 for the package shipped insured CONUS. Will ship offshore, but
shipping will be extra, pre paid.

 

73 Jeff kb2m 


From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Mon Jul 29 17:29:39 2019
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2019 17:29:39 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Charger
In-Reply-To: <CAHaMtNV4=ejGVqzSn_=Yjhm=Kz1U7SNqdV7J0xaYYekOKQvBmQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHaMtNV4=ejGVqzSn_=Yjhm=Kz1U7SNqdV7J0xaYYekOKQvBmQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <bc85cc9b-c014-efa8-79ac-bb43c6385015@embarqmail.com>

Mark,

Are you really looking for a charger, or do you want a power supply?
If a power supply, take a look at the PAE Kx33 from Pro Audio 
Engineering (do a Google search).

If you really want a charger, use what is recommended by the supplier of 
the battery that you wish to use.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 7/29/2019 4:28 PM, Mark Moeller wrote:
> Appreciate any recommendations for a 110v charger for my KX2. This would be
> to use while I am running at my home. Thanks
> 
> KA9LWK
> 

From raysills3 at verizon.net  Mon Jul 29 19:06:03 2019
From: raysills3 at verizon.net (Raymond Sills)
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2019 23:06:03 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] Charger
In-Reply-To: <la28c66ocgt7a90glte26s6u.1564435349031@att.net>
References: <CAHaMtNV4=ejGVqzSn_=Yjhm=Kz1U7SNqdV7J0xaYYekOKQvBmQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<la28c66ocgt7a90glte26s6u.1564435349031@att.net>
Message-ID: <384467453.8510629.1564441563374@mail.yahoo.com>

I second the motion on the Pro Audio Engineering supply. ? I have one for my KX3... it's compact and does the job perfectly.
73 de RayK2ULRKX3 #211



-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Finan <jimfinan at att.net>
To: Mark Moeller <mark.moeller3 at gmail.com>; 'Elecraft' <Elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Mon, Jul 29, 2019 5:24 pm
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Charger

Mark,

Try Pro Audio Engineering they have a good one that work for KX2 and KX3 with PX3:

Proaudioeng.com

Use them for my KX2 and KX3 with no issues or noise. 

Jim

Jim Finan
AB4AC



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??? ? Original Message ?



From: mark.moeller3 at gmail.com
Sent: July 29, 2019 4:29 PM
To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] Charger


Appreciate any recommendations for a 110v charger for my KX2. This would be
to use while I am running at my home. Thanks

KA9LWK

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317-225-6630
mark.moeller3 at gmail.com
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From kb1tcd at gmail.com  Mon Jul 29 19:42:47 2019
From: kb1tcd at gmail.com (JP Douglas)
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2019 19:42:47 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Pro Audio PS
Message-ID: <2BD975EA-1D33-47AF-A5F6-1F06F26097D7@gmail.com>

Hi all,

I have one as well for my KX3, I've even taken it with me on holidays to the Caribbean were voltage is 240 volts, still plug and play, works on 120 or 240 volts. Excellent product though in the shack I run the KX3 on battery/solar power.

73 de Jose Douglas KB1TCD
 

Sent from my iPad

From ardrhi at gmail.com  Mon Jul 29 19:55:29 2019
From: ardrhi at gmail.com (Gwen Patton)
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2019 19:55:29 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Charger
In-Reply-To: <384467453.8510629.1564441563374@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <CAHaMtNV4=ejGVqzSn_=Yjhm=Kz1U7SNqdV7J0xaYYekOKQvBmQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<la28c66ocgt7a90glte26s6u.1564435349031@att.net>
	<384467453.8510629.1564441563374@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CA+nQa2Nse0X6Mr1GtjMfRH-TXExmQ8CmEVW=C9yO2qaq0cHSGQ@mail.gmail.com>

I THIRD the motion! I have one too for my KX3/PX3. I don't use it much now
because I got the KXPA100, and a power supply to go with it, and it had
extra Powerpole sockets, so I just run the radio off the amp's power supply
now. But I got that Pro Audio power supply because of the low noise.

For external battery, Talentcell has an 8300mAh @ 12v battery pack that has
a 6A max output. I can run both the KX3 and the PX3 and transmit full power
(without the amp) and that battery takes it no problem. Got it on Amazon.
(They also have an 11000mAh pack that gives 6A at 12v as well.)

Gwen, NG3P

On Mon, Jul 29, 2019 at 7:06 PM Raymond Sills via Elecraft <
elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:

> I second the motion on the Pro Audio Engineering supply.   I have one for
> my KX3... it's compact and does the job perfectly.
> 73 de RayK2ULRKX3 #211
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jim Finan <jimfinan at att.net>
> To: Mark Moeller <mark.moeller3 at gmail.com>; 'Elecraft' <
> Elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Sent: Mon, Jul 29, 2019 5:24 pm
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Charger
>
> Mark,
>
> Try Pro Audio Engineering they have a good one that work for KX2 and KX3
> with PX3:
>
> Proaudioeng.com
>
> Use them for my KX2 and KX3 with no issues or noise.
>
> Jim
>
> Jim Finan
> AB4AC
>
>
>
> Sent from my BlackBerry - the most secure mobile device
>
>
>       Original Message
>
>
>
> From: mark.moeller3 at gmail.com
> Sent: July 29, 2019 4:29 PM
> To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [Elecraft] Charger
>
>
> Appreciate any recommendations for a 110v charger for my KX2. This would be
> to use while I am running at my home. Thanks
>
> KA9LWK
>
> --
> Mark A. Moeller
> 317-225-6630
> mark.moeller3 at gmail.com
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From va3mw at portcredit.net  Mon Jul 29 20:19:41 2019
From: va3mw at portcredit.net (Michael Walker)
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2019 20:19:41 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Charger
In-Reply-To: <CA+nQa2Nse0X6Mr1GtjMfRH-TXExmQ8CmEVW=C9yO2qaq0cHSGQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHaMtNV4=ejGVqzSn_=Yjhm=Kz1U7SNqdV7J0xaYYekOKQvBmQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<la28c66ocgt7a90glte26s6u.1564435349031@att.net>
	<384467453.8510629.1564441563374@mail.yahoo.com>
	<CA+nQa2Nse0X6Mr1GtjMfRH-TXExmQ8CmEVW=C9yO2qaq0cHSGQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+33ts7tDGaWh=YwFOTzkyFbmFPH_FD84dSwbOhjO8bEvKefag@mail.gmail.com>

As an option, and an Radio Control (RC) plane flier:

I use the Hobby Grade Smart Chargers that can handle the actual battery
chemistry for the KX2 on mine.

For less money than the ProAudio charger I get a very Smart Charger and can
handle many chemistries.

Ones like this plug directly in the wall and some even have bluetooth to
monitor your charge rates.  They are only $50.

https://www.amazon.com/B680AC-Dual-Power-6Amps-80Watts/dp/B00NLBZJ9C/ref=sr_1_10?keywords=r%2Fc+battery+charger&qid=1564445686&s=gateway&sr=8-10


Mike va3mw




On Mon, Jul 29, 2019 at 7:56 PM Gwen Patton <ardrhi at gmail.com> wrote:

> I THIRD the motion! I have one too for my KX3/PX3. I don't use it much now
> because I got the KXPA100, and a power supply to go with it, and it had
> extra Powerpole sockets, so I just run the radio off the amp's power supply
> now. But I got that Pro Audio power supply because of the low noise.
>
> For external battery, Talentcell has an 8300mAh @ 12v battery pack that has
> a 6A max output. I can run both the KX3 and the PX3 and transmit full power
> (without the amp) and that battery takes it no problem. Got it on Amazon.
> (They also have an 11000mAh pack that gives 6A at 12v as well.)
>
> Gwen, NG3P
>
> On Mon, Jul 29, 2019 at 7:06 PM Raymond Sills via Elecraft <
> elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
>
> > I second the motion on the Pro Audio Engineering supply.   I have one for
> > my KX3... it's compact and does the job perfectly.
> > 73 de RayK2ULRKX3 #211
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Jim Finan <jimfinan at att.net>
> > To: Mark Moeller <mark.moeller3 at gmail.com>; 'Elecraft' <
> > Elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> > Sent: Mon, Jul 29, 2019 5:24 pm
> > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Charger
> >
> > Mark,
> >
> > Try Pro Audio Engineering they have a good one that work for KX2 and KX3
> > with PX3:
> >
> > Proaudioeng.com
> >
> > Use them for my KX2 and KX3 with no issues or noise.
> >
> > Jim
> >
> > Jim Finan
> > AB4AC
> >
> >
> >
> > Sent from my BlackBerry - the most secure mobile device
> >
> >
> >       Original Message
> >
> >
> >
> > From: mark.moeller3 at gmail.com
> > Sent: July 29, 2019 4:29 PM
> > To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> > Subject: [Elecraft] Charger
> >
> >
> > Appreciate any recommendations for a 110v charger for my KX2. This would
> be
> > to use while I am running at my home. Thanks
> >
> > KA9LWK
> >
> > --
> > Mark A. Moeller
> > 317-225-6630
> > mark.moeller3 at gmail.com
> > ______________________________________________________________
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From rkatsch at gmail.com  Tue Jul 30 02:44:58 2019
From: rkatsch at gmail.com (Richard Katsch)
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2019 16:44:58 +1000
Subject: [Elecraft] K Pod Intermittently Errors
Message-ID: <CAACCF4p9MSx15eDS_XwfiXHTbwsHJs1CFdbJP2WqLrKRyprupA@mail.gmail.com>

I wonder how the K Pod is powered. Is it possible that an external supply
might be causing problems?
My new K Pod works fine on K3 s/n 0063 from internal power.

Richard Katsch
Vk2eik

From djwilcox01 at yahoo.com  Tue Jul 30 05:41:43 2019
From: djwilcox01 at yahoo.com (David Wilcox)
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2019 05:41:43 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Pro Audio PS
In-Reply-To: <2BD975EA-1D33-47AF-A5F6-1F06F26097D7@gmail.com>
References: <2BD975EA-1D33-47AF-A5F6-1F06F26097D7@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F95B1940-C6A2-4978-8E6B-175966C39616@yahoo.com>

I also have one of these power supplies and am very happy with it.  Can someone please explain how it knows what voltage is input (120 v versus 240 v) to get the same 12 volts output.  Is there a different power cord?  Am sure it needs the correct wall plug adapter. Or is there just a 12 volt regulator in the output? Inquiring minds (my old 74 year old one at least) want to know.

David J. Wilcox K8WPE?s iPad

> On Jul 29, 2019, at 7:42 PM, JP Douglas <kb1tcd at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I have one as well for my KX3, I've even taken it with me on holidays to the Caribbean were voltage is 240 volts, still plug and play, works on 120 or 240 volts. Excellent product though in the shack I run the KX3 on battery/solar power.
> 
> 73 de Jose Douglas KB1TCD
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
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From va3mw at portcredit.net  Tue Jul 30 08:54:41 2019
From: va3mw at portcredit.net (Michael Walker)
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2019 08:54:41 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Pro Audio PS
In-Reply-To: <F95B1940-C6A2-4978-8E6B-175966C39616@yahoo.com>
References: <2BD975EA-1D33-47AF-A5F6-1F06F26097D7@gmail.com>
	<F95B1940-C6A2-4978-8E6B-175966C39616@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CA+33ts4QXFqH+9BP5rV+xiiniw_=bLLKr0e1JxKKg9ZVgBZ6mA@mail.gmail.com>

Dave

Just about every 'wallcube' switching power supply is auto input voltage
sensing.  This includes Laptops, iPads, and phone chargers.  Even the
Astron switching supplies can handle 110 or 220 although some will have an
internal switch to make that happen.  This is a great feature, but the cost
is switching power supplies can be RF noise if not choked correctly.

You just need a simple and inexpensive plug adapter depending on the
country you go to.

Look at the power supplies you know own and it will show their input range.

Mike va3mw



On Tue, Jul 30, 2019 at 5:42 AM David Wilcox via Elecraft <
elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:

> I also have one of these power supplies and am very happy with it.  Can
> someone please explain how it knows what voltage is input (120 v versus 240
> v) to get the same 12 volts output.  Is there a different power cord?  Am
> sure it needs the correct wall plug adapter. Or is there just a 12 volt
> regulator in the output? Inquiring minds (my old 74 year old one at least)
> want to know.
>
> David J. Wilcox K8WPE?s iPad
>
> > On Jul 29, 2019, at 7:42 PM, JP Douglas <kb1tcd at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I have one as well for my KX3, I've even taken it with me on holidays to
> the Caribbean were voltage is 240 volts, still plug and play, works on 120
> or 240 volts. Excellent product though in the shack I run the KX3 on
> battery/solar power.
> >
> > 73 de Jose Douglas KB1TCD
> >
> >
> > Sent from my iPad
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From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Tue Jul 30 08:55:48 2019
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2019 08:55:48 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Pro Audio PS
In-Reply-To: <F95B1940-C6A2-4978-8E6B-175966C39616@yahoo.com>
References: <2BD975EA-1D33-47AF-A5F6-1F06F26097D7@gmail.com>
	<F95B1940-C6A2-4978-8E6B-175966C39616@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <10635685-8ef7-7aa5-7a62-38ef8d6d4709@embarqmail.com>

David,

Insensitivity to input voltage is characteristic of a switching power 
supply.  The switcher input takes power from the AC line, rectifies it 
and stores the energy in an inductor.  Then the switching circuit takes 
the inductor energy and dumps charge in a capacitor in its output to the 
desired output voltage.  Unlike a linear supply, no transformer or 
linear regulators are required.

This is greatly oversimplifying the circuits and operation of a 
switching supply, much additional design must go into it to control the 
switching circuit, component rise and fall times and output filtering.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 7/30/2019 5:41 AM, David Wilcox via Elecraft wrote:
> I also have one of these power supplies and am very happy with it.  Can someone please explain how it knows what voltage is input (120 v versus 240 v) to get the same 12 volts output.  Is there a different power cord?  Am sure it needs the correct wall plug adapter. Or is there just a 12 volt regulator in the output? Inquiring minds (my old 74 year old one at least) want to know.
> 

From c-hawley at illinois.edu  Tue Jul 30 09:26:02 2019
From: c-hawley at illinois.edu (hawley, charles j jr)
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2019 13:26:02 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] K Pod Intermittently Errors
In-Reply-To: <CAACCF4p9MSx15eDS_XwfiXHTbwsHJs1CFdbJP2WqLrKRyprupA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAACCF4p9MSx15eDS_XwfiXHTbwsHJs1CFdbJP2WqLrKRyprupA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <DM6PR11MB3514093FFFE2D0681E2BD80EFBDC0@DM6PR11MB3514.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>

Mine is also on internal power. The interesting thing is that it is so intermittent. Probably messes up about 2% of the time.

Chuck Hawley
 c-hawley at illinois.edu

 Amateur Radio, KE9UW
 aka Jack, BMW Motorcycles

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Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2019 1:44 AM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K Pod Intermittently Errors

I wonder how the K Pod is powered. Is it possible that an external supply
might be causing problems?
My new K Pod works fine on K3 s/n 0063 from internal power.

Richard Katsch
Vk2eik
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From no9e at arrl.net  Tue Jul 30 10:20:43 2019
From: no9e at arrl.net (Ignacy)
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2019 07:20:43 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] SO2R with 2 K3s, one KPA-1500
In-Reply-To: <fee99802-fcb0-e364-1fe5-2c3fa5bc8015@comcast.net>
References: <fee99802-fcb0-e364-1fe5-2c3fa5bc8015@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <1564496443853-0.post@n2.nabble.com>

Perhaps it is doable within a single band. Will have to include antenna
switching plus sequencer to avoid hot switching.

In two band SO2R, the amp would have to switch to another band and adjust
the antenna tuner. Perhaps too slow if done over serial CAT. 

The fact is that KPA1500 was not designed for SO2R with a single amplifier.
Buy a second one or get something else (Expert or 4O3A when available).   

Ignacy, NO9E 


 



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From no9e at arrl.net  Tue Jul 30 10:24:17 2019
From: no9e at arrl.net (Ignacy)
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2019 07:24:17 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] WSPR with KX3 and WSPR_Beacon/Android
In-Reply-To: <DBD5CD88-A3D0-4899-ABD7-1A5BA2366064@darc.de>
References: <1564257902123-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<DBD5CD88-A3D0-4899-ABD7-1A5BA2366064@darc.de>
Message-ID: <1564496657205-0.post@n2.nabble.com>

The phone had 1-2 sec delay and setting of an Android phone to time standard
is impossible without a hack. 

I tried using a laptop with time synchronized and again it did not work. I
must be doing something wrong with my KX3.

Ignacy, NO9E 



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From john at kk9a.com  Tue Jul 30 10:44:52 2019
From: john at kk9a.com (john at kk9a.com)
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2019 09:44:52 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] SO2R with 2 K3s, one KPA-1500
Message-ID: <20190730094452.Horde.WNZC39kRbq2qE_qQFkU4aen@www11.qth.com>


Plus SO2R could cause the amp to run almost continuously. I would not  
want to do this, especially on RTTY 2BSIQ.

John KK9A



Ignacy no9e wrote:

Perhaps it is doable within a single band. Will have to include antenna
switching plus sequencer to avoid hot switching.

In two band SO2R, the amp would have to switch to another band and adjust
the antenna tuner. Perhaps too slow if done over serial CAT.

The fact is that KPA1500 was not designed for SO2R with a single amplifier.
Buy a second one or get something else (Expert or 4O3A when available).

Ignacy, NO9E


From ja-pierce at verizon.net  Tue Jul 30 11:19:40 2019
From: ja-pierce at verizon.net (John Pierce)
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2019 11:19:40 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 Control
Message-ID: <006b01d546ea$356cc4f0$a0464ed0$@verizon.net>

Are there lines either in the AUX DB15, or one of the other connectors that
can be used to turn the AMP on in operate mode and later release it turning
it off.

 

John,

Ad2F


From frantz at pwpconsult.com  Tue Jul 30 11:47:36 2019
From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz)
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2019 08:47:36 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] [Way (OT)] Pedantic comment about metric usage
Message-ID: <r480Ps-10146i-43009B64D7D1423686D00CA8D9DD65FD@Williams-MacBook-Pro.local>

Since I'm studying to be a curmudgeon... :-)

A recent post mentioned a 8300mAh battery*. That should have 
been written as an 8.3AH battery. Also we should be dealing in 
bels, not decibels, megameters instead of thousands of 
kilometers etc.

73 Bill AE6JV

* Reference deleted to protect the guilty.

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From w8fn at tx.rr.com  Tue Jul 30 11:56:20 2019
From: w8fn at tx.rr.com (Randy Farmer)
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2019 10:56:20 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] [Way (OT)] Pedantic comment about metric usage
In-Reply-To: <r480Ps-10146i-43009B64D7D1423686D00CA8D9DD65FD@Williams-MacBook-Pro.local>
References: <r480Ps-10146i-43009B64D7D1423686D00CA8D9DD65FD@Williams-MacBook-Pro.local>
Message-ID: <c1cefc44-b062-1b9a-a5af-0c2fc821fb8c@tx.rr.com>

Oh, my. Does anyone remember "kilo-megacycles"? Guess we got that one fixed.

73...
Randy, W8FN

On 7/30/2019 10:47 AM, Bill Frantz wrote:
> Since I'm studying to be a curmudgeon... :-)
>
> A recent post mentioned a 8300mAh battery*. That should have been 
> written as an 8.3AH battery. Also we should be dealing in bels, not 
> decibels, megameters instead of thousands of kilometers etc.
>
> 73 Bill AE6JV
>
> * Reference deleted to protect the guilty.


From dpbunte at gmail.com  Tue Jul 30 12:02:16 2019
From: dpbunte at gmail.com (David Bunte)
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2019 12:02:16 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] [Way (OT)] Pedantic comment about metric usage
In-Reply-To: <r480Ps-10146i-43009B64D7D1423686D00CA8D9DD65FD@Williams-MacBook-Pro.local>
References: <r480Ps-10146i-43009B64D7D1423686D00CA8D9DD65FD@Williams-MacBook-Pro.local>
Message-ID: <CANCJpbQ07w2x0EdjMOZqaR=dnPB3rAiLWj30jTu=qduOPYdnHg@mail.gmail.com>

Bill -

Me thinks ur have studied well.

Dave - K9FN

On Tue, Jul 30, 2019 at 11:48 AM Bill Frantz <frantz at pwpconsult.com> wrote:

> Since I'm studying to be a curmudgeon... :-)
>
> A recent post mentioned a 8300mAh battery*. That should have
> been written as an 8.3AH battery. Also we should be dealing in
> bels, not decibels, megameters instead of thousands of
> kilometers etc.
>
> 73 Bill AE6JV
>
> * Reference deleted to protect the guilty.
>
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From mcquiggi at sfu.ca  Tue Jul 30 12:02:49 2019
From: mcquiggi at sfu.ca (Kevin McQuiggin)
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2019 09:02:49 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] First Post - Naming a FN Key Macro on the PX3?
Message-ID: <CCA8F754-9868-41F0-9338-B7AF2AFE9767@sfu.ca>

Hi All:

I am new to the list and was unable to find the answer to my question via searching, so sorry if this is a ?RTFM? type of question.

I just bought a PX3.  It is great!  I have created some simple macros via the USB keyboard and saved them to the PX3 FN keys.

This works well, but the key labels are ?Macro 1?, ?Macro 2?, et cetera.

It would be nicer to name them ?AGC Off?, ?AGC On?, and the like.

I used the PX3 utility to create and name the macros, and then save them, but this does not appear to have written them back out to the PX3.  The macro list (viewed via the USB keyboard utility) still shows them as ?Macro 1?, ?Macro 2?.

So, how do I write macros that I create in the PX3 utility back out to the PX3 itself?

Alternatively, is there a way to name a macro from the USB keyboard facility?

Sorry in advance if this is a FAQ that I couldn?t find the answer to.

73,

Kevin VE7ZD / K7MCQ



From wunder at wunderwood.org  Tue Jul 30 12:11:30 2019
From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood)
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2019 09:11:30 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] [Way (OT)] Pedantic comment about metric usage
In-Reply-To: <r480Ps-10146i-43009B64D7D1423686D00CA8D9DD65FD@Williams-MacBook-Pro.local>
References: <r480Ps-10146i-43009B64D7D1423686D00CA8D9DD65FD@Williams-MacBook-Pro.local>
Message-ID: <3C8182B4-478D-47B8-BC18-CB186047156C@wunderwood.org>

I guess you wouldn?t be a fan of my recent blog post.

https://observer.wunderwood.org/2019/07/24/one-million-meters/

While we are being pedantic, it is ?h? for hour instead of ?H?, and SI always puts a space between the number and the dimension. So that would be 8.3 Ah. Now we can all practice typing ?40 m band? with a space. :-)

I spent some time trying to write a parser for dimensioned data, so I dug deeply into this. I work on a search engine for STEM homework problems.

wunder
K6WRU
Walter Underwood
CM87wj
http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog)

> On Jul 30, 2019, at 8:47 AM, Bill Frantz <frantz at pwpconsult.com> wrote:
> 
> Since I'm studying to be a curmudgeon... :-)
> 
> A recent post mentioned a 8300mAh battery*. That should have been written as an 8.3AH battery. Also we should be dealing in bels, not decibels, megameters instead of thousands of kilometers etc.
> 
> 73 Bill AE6JV
> 
> * Reference deleted to protect the guilty.
> 
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From kg9hfrank at gmail.com  Tue Jul 30 12:37:51 2019
From: kg9hfrank at gmail.com (Frank Krozel)
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2019 11:37:51 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] [Way (OT)] Pedantic comment about metric usage
In-Reply-To: <3C8182B4-478D-47B8-BC18-CB186047156C@wunderwood.org>
References: <r480Ps-10146i-43009B64D7D1423686D00CA8D9DD65FD@Williams-MacBook-Pro.local>
	<3C8182B4-478D-47B8-BC18-CB186047156C@wunderwood.org>
Message-ID: <859794DB-44D1-4BC3-B461-8B994B2FBE8F@gmail.com>

Walter,
When I went to Michigan Tech University, I once did an hour?s worth of calculations and got an answer but assigned the incorrect designator like you just pointed out.

I got 0-credit for the work.

Lesson learned.

De Frank KG9H


> On Jul 30, 2019, at 11:11 AM, Walter Underwood <wunder at wunderwood.org> wrote:
> 
> I guess you wouldn?t be a fan of my recent blog post.
> 
> https://observer.wunderwood.org/2019/07/24/one-million-meters/
> 
> While we are being pedantic, it is ?h? for hour instead of ?H?, and SI always puts a space between the number and the dimension. So that would be 8.3 Ah. Now we can all practice typing ?40 m band? with a space. :-)
> 
> I spent some time trying to write a parser for dimensioned data, so I dug deeply into this. I work on a search engine for STEM homework problems.
> 
> wunder
> K6WRU
> Walter Underwood
> CM87wj
> http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog)
> 
>> On Jul 30, 2019, at 8:47 AM, Bill Frantz <frantz at pwpconsult.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Since I'm studying to be a curmudgeon... :-)
>> 
>> A recent post mentioned a 8300mAh battery*. That should have been written as an 8.3AH battery. Also we should be dealing in bels, not decibels, megameters instead of thousands of kilometers etc.
>> 
>> 73 Bill AE6JV
>> 
>> * Reference deleted to protect the guilty.
>> 
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From ardrhi at gmail.com  Tue Jul 30 12:47:21 2019
From: ardrhi at gmail.com (Gwen Patton)
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2019 12:47:21 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] [Way (OT)] Pedantic comment about metric usage
In-Reply-To: <r480Ps-10146i-43009B64D7D1423686D00CA8D9DD65FD@Williams-MacBook-Pro.local>
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Message-ID: <CA+nQa2PjG25kw2UHSLjFJt3UtYjh0Oby2ouKYhZ0XVdTLNNmhA@mail.gmail.com>

That's how the seller lists it. But thank you for reminding me how to
divide by 100 by moving the decimal point two places to the left. I'd
*totally forgotten* until you mentioned it. ?



On Tue, Jul 30, 2019, 11:48 AM Bill Frantz <frantz at pwpconsult.com> wrote:

> Since I'm studying to be a curmudgeon... :-)
>
> A recent post mentioned a 8300mAh battery*. That should have
> been written as an 8.3AH battery. Also we should be dealing in
> bels, not decibels, megameters instead of thousands of
> kilometers etc.
>
> 73 Bill AE6JV
>
> * Reference deleted to protect the guilty.
>
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From a.durbin at msn.com  Tue Jul 30 12:50:26 2019
From: a.durbin at msn.com (Andy Durbin)
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2019 16:50:26 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 Control
Message-ID: <BYAPR16MB29684501C9F52B5451B5A7618CDC0@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>

"Are there lines either in the AUX DB15, or one of the other connectors that can be used to turn the AMP on in operate mode and later release it turning it off."

No, not exactly as you described.  You have to apply a momentary ground to pin 8  - as revealed by a quick review of the KPA500 Owner's Manual.


KPA500 AUX Connector Pinout (DE-15 Male)

POWER ON/OFF 8 IN Pulse low to turn KPA on or off ? do not hold low!

Menu selection:

PWR ON  // STBY or OPER default STBY // STBY: Amp is in standby mode when first turned on.  OPER: Amp is in operate mode when first turned on.

Andy, k3wyc

From pincon at erols.com  Tue Jul 30 12:52:31 2019
From: pincon at erols.com (Charlie T)
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2019 12:52:31 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] [Way (OT)] Pedantic comment about metric usage
In-Reply-To: <r480Ps-10146i-43009B64D7D1423686D00CA8D9DD65FD@Williams-MacBook-Pro.local>
References: <r480Ps-10146i-43009B64D7D1423686D00CA8D9DD65FD@Williams-MacBook-Pro.local>
Message-ID: <000c01d546f7$31360d30$93a22790$@erols.com>

If a megameter is 1000 kilometers, what is a trigometer ?

73, Charlie k3ICH




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Subject: [Elecraft] [Way (OT)] Pedantic comment about metric usage

Since I'm studying to be a curmudgeon... :-)

A recent post mentioned a 8300mAh battery*. That should have been written as
an 8.3AH battery. Also we should be dealing in bels, not decibels,
megameters instead of thousands of kilometers etc.

73 Bill AE6JV

* Reference deleted to protect the guilty.

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From kk5f at earthlink.net  Tue Jul 30 12:56:28 2019
From: kk5f at earthlink.net (Mike Morrow)
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2019 11:56:28 -0500 (GMT-05:00)
Subject: [Elecraft] [Way (OT)] Pedantic comment about metric usage
Message-ID: <591561088.4963.1564505788719@wamui-megara.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

> That should have been written as an 8.3AH battery.
>
> 73 Bill AE6JV

Careful about your wishes.  Strictly speaking, there is no metric time unit called an hour...just seconds (s).

Your "8.3AH" should be "29880 A?s".

Mike / KK5F

From ardrhi at gmail.com  Tue Jul 30 12:56:31 2019
From: ardrhi at gmail.com (Gwen Patton)
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2019 12:56:31 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] [Way (OT)] Pedantic comment about metric usage
In-Reply-To: <CA+nQa2PjG25kw2UHSLjFJt3UtYjh0Oby2ouKYhZ0XVdTLNNmhA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <r480Ps-10146i-43009B64D7D1423686D00CA8D9DD65FD@Williams-MacBook-Pro.local>
	<CA+nQa2PjG25kw2UHSLjFJt3UtYjh0Oby2ouKYhZ0XVdTLNNmhA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+nQa2OAd0wDWQ3tN86UF78BgXfG5pH=sSvYBiGxywP8LXfswg@mail.gmail.com>

...AND how to divide by 1000.

?

On Tue, Jul 30, 2019, 12:47 PM Gwen Patton <ardrhi at gmail.com> wrote:

> That's how the seller lists it. But thank you for reminding me how to
> divide by 100 by moving the decimal point two places to the left. I'd
> *totally forgotten* until you mentioned it. ?
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 30, 2019, 11:48 AM Bill Frantz <frantz at pwpconsult.com> wrote:
>
>> Since I'm studying to be a curmudgeon... :-)
>>
>> A recent post mentioned a 8300mAh battery*. That should have
>> been written as an 8.3AH battery. Also we should be dealing in
>> bels, not decibels, megameters instead of thousands of
>> kilometers etc.
>>
>> 73 Bill AE6JV
>>
>> * Reference deleted to protect the guilty.
>>
>> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
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>> CA 95032
>>
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From a.durbin at msn.com  Tue Jul 30 13:24:10 2019
From: a.durbin at msn.com (Andy Durbin)
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2019 17:24:10 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 Control
In-Reply-To: <BYAPR16MB29684501C9F52B5451B5A7618CDC0@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
References: <BYAPR16MB29684501C9F52B5451B5A7618CDC0@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <BYAPR16MB2968A9B7D28FFD165D635DBB8CDC0@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>

"No, not exactly as you described.  You have to apply a momentary ground to pin 8 "

If you are already controlling the KPA500 by using the PC serial port you can wake it up by sending P -

P Power On
The P command will cause the KPA500 to perform internal firmware checks, then execute the main
firmware to power up the amplifier. This is the command to use to remotely power up the KPA500. No
response is sent from the KPA500 after receiving this command.

To turn it off you need the ^ON command:

^ON (Power Status & Off, GET/SET)
SET format: ^ON0; turns the KPA500 off.
RSP format: ^ONn; where n = 1. No response if off.
Note: if a ON; quickly follows a ON0; you _may_ see a ON0; response.
See the ?P? command in the BootLoader section for a serial command to turn on the KPA500.

Andy, k3wyc


From rwnewbould at comcast.net  Tue Jul 30 14:13:58 2019
From: rwnewbould at comcast.net (Rich)
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2019 14:13:58 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Windows Update and the K3 USB Audio
Message-ID: <b1012b82-f1d7-cce0-5d51-d5133742aadf@comcast.net>

I am sure many will be required to update Win10 to the supported 
version.? I think 10/19 is the drop dead date on the current version for 
support, not exactly sure.

Any who,? I did mine yesterday and of course it hosed up my nicely 
labeled Codec audio entries in the Windows Sound Control Panel.?? It was 
not hard to get back in business and rename them, but as a note to 
others it recognized mine as Mono audio devices, hence I needed to 
change them manually to a stereo device (2 channel is the windows term) 
in the Sound Control Panel.

My K3s was not connected to the computer USB when I did the update.?? I 
am now curious if this issue would be resolved if the K3 USB was indeed 
plugged into the computer during the update.? I am going to try it 
during the next update.

I hope this may save some others,? some pain during the update process

Rich

K3RWN


From bob at hogbytes.com  Tue Jul 30 14:39:31 2019
From: bob at hogbytes.com (Bob N3MNT)
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2019 11:39:31 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] First Post - Naming a FN Key Macro on the PX3?
In-Reply-To: <CCA8F754-9868-41F0-9338-B7AF2AFE9767@sfu.ca>
References: <CCA8F754-9868-41F0-9338-B7AF2AFE9767@sfu.ca>
Message-ID: <1564511971236-0.post@n2.nabble.com>

There is a bug that never has been corrected ( that I am aware of) in the
file save /restore process.  The file name ( extension) that the file si
saved with is different than the file extension the PX3 is looking for to
restore .  I need to go back thru my notes but simply changing the extension
will allow you to save and restore.



--
Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/

From a.durbin at msn.com  Tue Jul 30 15:02:28 2019
From: a.durbin at msn.com (Andy Durbin)
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2019 19:02:28 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Windows Update and the K3 USB Audio
Message-ID: <BYAPR16MB296815371690F0E8F3A2D7C28CDC0@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>

"I hope this may save some others,  some pain during the update process"

I avoided all the Win 10 pain by not installing it.  I can only assume that those who think Win 10 is wonderful do not use USB audio devices.   it seems that, at least once a week, someone reports having their USB audio configuration trashed by Win 10.

Andy, k3wyc

From alaparos at w2cs.net  Tue Jul 30 15:20:13 2019
From: alaparos at w2cs.net (Gary J Ferdinand)
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2019 15:20:13 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Windows Update and the K3 USB Audio
In-Reply-To: <BYAPR16MB296815371690F0E8F3A2D7C28CDC0@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
References: <BYAPR16MB296815371690F0E8F3A2D7C28CDC0@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <9EBD8805-814E-4FE7-8E44-7F6C7CDA0D0A@w2cs.net>

I have had a different experience here.  

Windows 10 Pro is one of the systems I use.  Recently, I discovered that, while I was getting the usual windows updates, those updates would cease in September.  Upon further reflection it seemed that the base Windows system was at a level of March 2018, or in Microsoft-speak, 1803.  I had to force an update to 1907, the current base, by going to microsoft.com and following the instructions.

All is well and all apps seem to work as well as they did before.  

I did all this because I was uncomfortable having a network-attached Windows system without security updates.  YMMV.  

73, Gary W2CS



> On Jul 30, 2019, at 3:02 PM, Andy Durbin <a.durbin at msn.com> wrote:
> 
> "I hope this may save some others,  some pain during the update process"
> 
> I avoided all the Win 10 pain by not installing it.  I can only assume that those who think Win 10 is wonderful do not use USB audio devices.   it seems that, at least once a week, someone reports having their USB audio configuration trashed by Win 10.
> 
> Andy, k3wyc
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From k6dgw at foothill.net  Tue Jul 30 15:59:51 2019
From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen)
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2019 12:59:51 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] [Way (OT)] Pedantic comment about metric usage
In-Reply-To: <c1cefc44-b062-1b9a-a5af-0c2fc821fb8c@tx.rr.com>
References: <r480Ps-10146i-43009B64D7D1423686D00CA8D9DD65FD@Williams-MacBook-Pro.local>
	<c1cefc44-b062-1b9a-a5af-0c2fc821fb8c@tx.rr.com>
Message-ID: <163f9e6f-312f-4778-f15d-cf4d9208d392@foothill.net>

Yep, KMcs.? Even after Hz and it's metric extensions came along, those 
who remember when the Holy Frequency was the world's party line still 
used the more reverent Kcs to refer to it. [:-)

73,
Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

On 7/30/2019 8:56 AM, Randy Farmer wrote:
> Oh, my. Does anyone remember "kilo-megacycles"? Guess we got that one 
> fixed.
>
> 73...
> Randy, W8FN


From bob at hogbytes.com  Tue Jul 30 16:01:11 2019
From: bob at hogbytes.com (Bob N3MNT)
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2019 13:01:11 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] First Post - Naming a FN Key Macro on the PX3?
In-Reply-To: <1564511971236-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <CCA8F754-9868-41F0-9338-B7AF2AFE9767@sfu.ca>
	<1564511971236-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <1564516871586-0.post@n2.nabble.com>

I don't remember which is which.  If the PX3 saved the file as a TXT change
it to an XML extension
If it saved it as an XML you need to change it to TXT




--
Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/

From rich at wc3t.us  Tue Jul 30 16:25:46 2019
From: rich at wc3t.us (rich hurd WC3T)
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2019 16:25:46 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] [Way (OT)] Pedantic comment about metric usage
In-Reply-To: <163f9e6f-312f-4778-f15d-cf4d9208d392@foothill.net>
References: <r480Ps-10146i-43009B64D7D1423686D00CA8D9DD65FD@Williams-MacBook-Pro.local>
	<c1cefc44-b062-1b9a-a5af-0c2fc821fb8c@tx.rr.com>
	<163f9e6f-312f-4778-f15d-cf4d9208d392@foothill.net>
Message-ID: <CABYU7WhnWsSx-TdE1aPLtrUvbcu95kBixaq5L4yUhv_T3Njtmw@mail.gmail.com>

At the risk of arousing Eric?s ire I tender the unit of measure in the most
obscure terms.  Velocity in furlongs/fortnight, for example.

Hey, I?m on vacation.

On Tue, Jul 30, 2019 at 15:59 Fred Jensen <k6dgw at foothill.net> wrote:

> Yep, KMcs.  Even after Hz and it's metric extensions came along, those
> who remember when the Holy Frequency was the world's party line still
> used the more reverent Kcs to refer to it. [:-)
>
> 73,
> Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
> Sparks NV DM09dn
> Washoe County
>
> On 7/30/2019 8:56 AM, Randy Farmer wrote:
> > Oh, my. Does anyone remember "kilo-megacycles"? Guess we got that one
> > fixed.
> >
> > 73...
> > Randy, W8FN
>
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72,
Rich Hurd / WC3T / DMR: 3142737
Northampton County RACES, EPA-ARRL Public Information Officer for Scouting
Latitude: 40.761621 Longitude: -75.288988  (40?45.68' N 75?17.33' W) Grid:
*FN20is*

From johnae5x at gmail.com  Tue Jul 30 16:35:35 2019
From: johnae5x at gmail.com (John Harper)
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2019 15:35:35 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] [Way (OT)] Pedantic comment about metric usage
Message-ID: <CAPHmH=OvGN5S_GAyok+GKCbRzxAdRO5FeQtyrV2YSOjB0KYLdA@mail.gmail.com>

>At the risk of arousing Eric?s ire I tender the unit of measure in the most
>obscure terms.  Velocity in furlongs/fortnight, for example.

Like these?:

1. Ratio of an igloo's circumference to its diameter = Eskimo Pi

2. 2000 pounds of Chinese soup = Won ton

3. 1 millionth of a mouthwash = 1 microscope

4. Time between slipping on a peel and smacking the pavement = 1
bananosecond

5. Weight an evangelist carries with God = 1 billigram

6. Time it takes to sail 220 yards at 1 nautical mile per hour =
Knotfurlong

7. 364.25 days of drinking low calorie beer = 1 Lite year

8. 16.5 feet in the Twilight Zone = 1 Rod Serling

9. Half a large intestine = 1 semicolon

10. 1,000,000 aches = 1 megahurtz

11. Basic unit of laryngitis - 1 hoarsepower

12. Shortest distance between two jokes - a straight line

13. 453.6 graham crackers = 1 pound cake

14. 1 million microphones = 1 megaphone

15. 1 million bicycles = 1 megacycles

16. 365.25 days = 1 unicycle

17. 2000 mockingbirds = two kilomockingbirds

18. 10 cards = 1 decacard

19. 52 cards = 1 deckacard

20. 1 kilogram of falling figs = 1 fig Newton

21. 1000 grams of wet socks = 1 literhosen

22. 1 millionth of a fish = 1 microfiche

23. 1 trillion pins = 1 terrapin

24. 10 rations = 1 decaration

25. 100 rations = 1 C-ration

26. 2 monograms = 1 diagram

27. 8 nickels = 2 paradigms

28. 2.4 statute miles of intravenous surgical tubing at Yale University
Hospital = 1 I.V. League

John AE5X
https://ae5x.blogspot.com

From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Tue Jul 30 16:49:26 2019
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2019 13:49:26 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Windows Update and the K3 USB Audio
In-Reply-To: <BYAPR16MB296815371690F0E8F3A2D7C28CDC0@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
References: <BYAPR16MB296815371690F0E8F3A2D7C28CDC0@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <73d848db-4412-77de-ab10-724f756b7067@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On 7/30/2019 12:02 PM, Andy Durbin wrote:
> I avoided all the Win 10 pain by not installing it.

YES! For exactly this reason, I've paid extra to buy computers with Win7 
rather than Win10 for radio.

73, Jim K9YC


From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Tue Jul 30 16:49:35 2019
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2019 16:49:35 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] [Way (OT)] Pedantic comment about metric usage
In-Reply-To: <163f9e6f-312f-4778-f15d-cf4d9208d392@foothill.net>
References: <r480Ps-10146i-43009B64D7D1423686D00CA8D9DD65FD@Williams-MacBook-Pro.local>
	<c1cefc44-b062-1b9a-a5af-0c2fc821fb8c@tx.rr.com>
	<163f9e6f-312f-4778-f15d-cf4d9208d392@foothill.net>
Message-ID: <5117cbd6-a088-946f-f1c9-eaf18e5ed9f3@embarqmail.com>

Skip,

The proper way to represent units with kilo (10 exp 3) in it is with a 
lower case "k".
"m" stands for milli (10 exp -3) while "M" stands for Mega (10 exp 6).

Hz is capitalized because it is a man's name - Hertz.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 7/30/2019 3:59 PM, Fred Jensen wrote:
> Yep, KMcs.? Even after Hz and it's metric extensions came along, those 
> who remember when the Holy Frequency was the world's party line still 
> used the more reverent Kcs to refer to it. [:-)

From ko5v at earthlink.net  Tue Jul 30 17:01:48 2019
From: ko5v at earthlink.net (Jim KO5V)
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2019 15:01:48 -0600 (GMT-06:00)
Subject: [Elecraft] [Way (OT)] Pedantic comment about metric usage
Message-ID: <1781921684.9565.1564520508380@wamui-hyena.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

These are wonderful, but I didn't see the millihelen: the quantity of face required to launch only one ship.

I really liked #17:, two kilomockingbirds...

73, Jim

"Like these?:

1. Ratio of an igloo's circumference to its diameter = Eskimo Pi

2. 2000 pounds of Chinese soup = Won ton

3. 1 millionth of a mouthwash = 1 microscope

4. Time between slipping on a peel and smacking the pavement = 1
bananosecond

5. Weight an evangelist carries with God = 1 billigram

6. Time it takes to sail 220 yards at 1 nautical mile per hour =
Knotfurlong

7. 364.25 days of drinking low calorie beer = 1 Lite year

8. 16.5 feet in the Twilight Zone = 1 Rod Serling

9. Half a large intestine = 1 semicolon

10. 1,000,000 aches = 1 megahurtz

11. Basic unit of laryngitis - 1 hoarsepower

12. Shortest distance between two jokes - a straight line

13. 453.6 graham crackers = 1 pound cake

14. 1 million microphones = 1 megaphone

15. 1 million bicycles = 1 megacycles

16. 365.25 days = 1 unicycle

17. 2000 mockingbirds = two kilomockingbirds

18. 10 cards = 1 decacard

19. 52 cards = 1 deckacard

20. 1 kilogram of falling figs = 1 fig Newton

21. 1000 grams of wet socks = 1 literhosen

22. 1 millionth of a fish = 1 microfiche

23. 1 trillion pins = 1 terrapin

24. 10 rations = 1 decaration

25. 100 rations = 1 C-ration

26. 2 monograms = 1 diagram

27. 8 nickels = 2 paradigms

28. 2.4 statute miles of intravenous surgical tubing at Yale University
Hospital = 1 I.V. League"

From va3mw at portcredit.net  Tue Jul 30 17:56:10 2019
From: va3mw at portcredit.net (Michael Walker)
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2019 17:56:10 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] The ability to send screen shots
Message-ID: <CA+33ts7tZQzOo-YbH46n52Zvp-PjbW8A9+e7_NQfyzDq+8U=Mg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi All

This message is to the administrators of this reflector.

Might it be possible to have the ability to have small images, such as
screen shots to be able to be passed via the reflector?

They can be an amazing teaching and learning tool to help others see what
is being discussed.

In decades passed, this feature was turned off due to dial up modems and
the images may have been a vehicle for virus payloads.  Of course, dial up
modems are long gone for 99% of the people and a properly patched computer
will not now allow a program to run from an image.

Most, if not all other reflectors allow for this feature to be available.

Many thanks in advance for this consideration.

Mike va3mw

From w4fmd.steve at gmail.com  Tue Jul 30 18:11:28 2019
From: w4fmd.steve at gmail.com (Steve Glickstein)
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2019 18:11:28 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Windows Update and the K3 USB Audio
In-Reply-To: <b1012b82-f1d7-cce0-5d51-d5133742aadf@comcast.net>
References: <b1012b82-f1d7-cce0-5d51-d5133742aadf@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <7010e55f-aead-297e-0c1a-3ff237f8b8f6@gmail.com>

Rich, my experience is that even with USB devices plugged in, major 
updates to my Win10 Pro system scramble various port assignments for 
comm and audio. I keep a document on my hard drive with the a port 
assignment list so I can restore them and run my ham software without 
any hiccups.

73, Steve W4FMD


On 7/30/2019 2:13 PM, Rich wrote:
> I am sure many will be required to update Win10 to the supported 
> version.? I think 10/19 is the drop dead date on the current version 
> for support, not exactly sure.
>
> Any who,? I did mine yesterday and of course it hosed up my nicely 
> labeled Codec audio entries in the Windows Sound Control Panel. It was 
> not hard to get back in business and rename them, but as a note to 
> others it recognized mine as Mono audio devices, hence I needed to 
> change them manually to a stereo device (2 channel is the windows 
> term) in the Sound Control Panel.
>
> My K3s was not connected to the computer USB when I did the update.?? 
> I am now curious if this issue would be resolved if the K3 USB was 
> indeed plugged into the computer during the update.? I am going to try 
> it during the next update.
>
> I hope this may save some others,? some pain during the update process
>
> Rich
>
> K3RWN
>
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From softblue at windstream.net  Tue Jul 30 18:16:13 2019
From: softblue at windstream.net (Dick Dickinson)
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2019 18:16:13 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] The ability to send screen shots
Message-ID: <000401d54724$668589c0$33909d40$@windstream.net>

Hi Mike,

I believe 'links' are allowed on this reflector.

Consider having images hosted on am image hosting site and provide a link to
them, if that is not forbidden.

A reader can choose to look or not.

I have used imgur.com  I'm not aware of any problems related to doing such,
but I won't be surprised if I am soon informed.

8 )

Kind regards,
Dick - KA5KKT

----------------------------------------------------------------------
Hi All

This message is to the administrators of this reflector.

Might it be possible to have the ability to have small images, such as
screen shots to be able to be passed via the reflector?

They can be an amazing teaching and learning tool to help others see what
is being discussed.

In decades passed, this feature was turned off due to dial up modems and
the images may have been a vehicle for virus payloads.  Of course, dial up
modems are long gone for 99% of the people and a properly patched computer
will not now allow a program to run from an image.

Most, if not all other reflectors allow for this feature to be available.

Many thanks in advance for this consideration.

Mike va3mw


From kengkopp at gmail.com  Tue Jul 30 18:18:51 2019
From: kengkopp at gmail.com (Ken G Kopp)
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2019 16:18:51 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft]  The ability to send screen shots
In-Reply-To: <CA+33ts7tZQzOo-YbH46n52Zvp-PjbW8A9+e7_NQfyzDq+8U=Mg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+33ts7tZQzOo-YbH46n52Zvp-PjbW8A9+e7_NQfyzDq+8U=Mg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAD4CdTNcyNz+oXjCfnFhsFe7mZ1nn3a9OaxkqmJ4BNBcZrkWRg@mail.gmail.com>

No thanks ... please.

73

K0PP / N7HKW

---------- Forwarded message ---------
From: Michael Walker <va3mw at portcredit.net>
Date: Tue, Jul 30, 2019, 15:56
Subject: [Elecraft] The ability to send screen shots
To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>


Hi All

This message is to the administrators of this reflector.

Might it be possible to have the ability to have small images, such as
screen shots to be able to be passed via the reflector?

They can be an amazing teaching and learning tool to help others see what
is being discussed.

In decades passed, this feature was turned off due to dial up modems and
the images may have been a vehicle for virus payloads.  Of course, dial up
modems are long gone for 99% of the people and a properly patched computer
will not now allow a program to run from an image.

Most, if not all other reflectors allow for this feature to be available.

Many thanks in advance for this consideration.

Mike va3mw
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From barrylazar2 at gmail.com  Tue Jul 30 18:35:34 2019
From: barrylazar2 at gmail.com (Barry)
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2019 22:35:34 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Windows Update and the K3 USB Audio
In-Reply-To: <BYAPR16MB296815371690F0E8F3A2D7C28CDC0@byapr16mb2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
References: <BYAPR16MB296815371690F0E8F3A2D7C28CDC0@byapr16mb2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <em52008d7a-e49b-49fe-96a5-e614582613a1@office-desktop-i>

Andy,
     Two points. First I have used Win10 since it was available and had 
only one problem; I do use Windows compliant drivers. Second, YOU DO NOT 
have to upgrade all the time. There are some settings in the windows 
that allows you to opt out of auto upgrades. However, the upgrades also 
upgrade security on your system, and in today's world, you need the best 
security you can find.

73,
Barry
K3NDM

------ Original Message ------
From: "Andy Durbin" <a.durbin at msn.com>
To: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: 7/30/2019 3:02:28 PM
Subject: [Elecraft] Windows Update and the K3 USB Audio

>"I hope this may save some others,  some pain during the update process"
>
>I avoided all the Win 10 pain by not installing it.  I can only assume that those who think Win 10 is wonderful do not use USB audio devices.   it seems that, at least once a week, someone reports having their USB audio configuration trashed by Win 10.
>
>Andy, k3wyc
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From k6dgw at foothill.net  Tue Jul 30 18:58:33 2019
From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen)
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2019 15:58:33 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] [Way (OT)] Pedantic comment about metric usage
In-Reply-To: <5117cbd6-a088-946f-f1c9-eaf18e5ed9f3@embarqmail.com>
References: <r480Ps-10146i-43009B64D7D1423686D00CA8D9DD65FD@Williams-MacBook-Pro.local>
	<c1cefc44-b062-1b9a-a5af-0c2fc821fb8c@tx.rr.com>
	<163f9e6f-312f-4778-f15d-cf4d9208d392@foothill.net>
	<5117cbd6-a088-946f-f1c9-eaf18e5ed9f3@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <8b585b53-b71f-0223-775c-00896654d325@foothill.net>

Correct, except when kilomegacycles per second was in vogue [and giga 
apparently had yet to become popular], it was abbreviated KMcs.? 
Technically, it should probably have been KMcps, which I seem to 
remember it sometimes was.? Kilo in that era was upper case, as in 500 
Kcs.? Then again the abbreviation Kcs was sometimes itself abbreviated 
to Kc.? All of this, and the ever popular "Colpitts Oscillator Question" 
could be found on the FCC license exams of the day.

It's similar for capacitors.? In that era, they were mainly mf for 
microfarads [10^-6] or mmf for micromicrofarads [10^-12].? I do not 
remember any that were kmf [kilomicrofarads - 10^3 mf].? No wonder we in 
the USA are going metric inch by inch...

73,
Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

On 7/30/2019 1:49 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
> Skip,
>
> The proper way to represent units with kilo (10 exp 3) in it is with a 
> lower case "k".
> "m" stands for milli (10 exp -3) while "M" stands for Mega (10 exp 6).
>
> Hz is capitalized because it is a man's name - Hertz.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>


From jim at rhodesend.net  Tue Jul 30 15:02:39 2019
From: jim at rhodesend.net (Jim Rhodes)
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2019 14:02:39 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] [Way (OT)] Pedantic comment about metric usage
In-Reply-To: <r480Ps-10146i-43009B64D7D1423686D00CA8D9DD65FD@Williams-MacBook-Pro.local>
References: <r480Ps-10146i-43009B64D7D1423686D00CA8D9DD65FD@Williams-MacBook-Pro.local>
Message-ID: <CALhxr4Zf4sXDRo1T_Dn30sA_OH8Z7iRbXLeXTauaTLwTbx=0hg@mail.gmail.com>

Yes, but a 8300mah battery just seems so much bigger than an 8.3 ah battery
t those t used to thinking in metric. (Or thinking at all)

Jim Rhodes
K0XU

On Tue, Jul 30, 2019, 10:48 Bill Frantz <frantz at pwpconsult.com> wrote:

> Since I'm studying to be a curmudgeon... :-)
>
> A recent post mentioned a 8300mAh battery*. That should have
> been written as an 8.3AH battery. Also we should be dealing in
> bels, not decibels, megameters instead of thousands of
> kilometers etc.
>
> 73 Bill AE6JV
>
> * Reference deleted to protect the guilty.
>
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From c-hawley at illinois.edu  Tue Jul 30 20:14:41 2019
From: c-hawley at illinois.edu (hawley, charles j jr)
Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2019 00:14:41 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] [Way (OT)] Pedantic comment about metric usage
In-Reply-To: <CABYU7WhnWsSx-TdE1aPLtrUvbcu95kBixaq5L4yUhv_T3Njtmw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <r480Ps-10146i-43009B64D7D1423686D00CA8D9DD65FD@Williams-MacBook-Pro.local>
	<c1cefc44-b062-1b9a-a5af-0c2fc821fb8c@tx.rr.com>
	<163f9e6f-312f-4778-f15d-cf4d9208d392@foothill.net>,
	<CABYU7WhnWsSx-TdE1aPLtrUvbcu95kBixaq5L4yUhv_T3Njtmw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <98455C7F-7414-4134-AE55-E1999D2BCFEC@illinois.edu>

Hey! That?s my choice, Furlongs/Fortnight...

Chuck Jack Hawley 
KE9UW

Sent from my iPhone, cjack 

> On Jul 30, 2019, at 3:26 PM, rich hurd WC3T <rich at wc3t.us> wrote:
> 
> At the risk of arousing Eric?s ire I tender the unit of measure in the most
> obscure terms.  Velocity in furlongs/fortnight, for example.
> 
> Hey, I?m on vacation.
> 
>> On Tue, Jul 30, 2019 at 15:59 Fred Jensen <k6dgw at foothill.net> wrote:
>> 
>> Yep, KMcs.  Even after Hz and it's metric extensions came along, those
>> who remember when the Holy Frequency was the world's party line still
>> used the more reverent Kcs to refer to it. [:-)
>> 
>> 73,
>> Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
>> Sparks NV DM09dn
>> Washoe County
>> 
>>> On 7/30/2019 8:56 AM, Randy Farmer wrote:
>>> Oh, my. Does anyone remember "kilo-megacycles"? Guess we got that one
>>> fixed.
>>> 
>>> 73...
>>> Randy, W8FN
>> 
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From kevinr at coho.net  Tue Jul 30 20:25:35 2019
From: kevinr at coho.net (kevinr)
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2019 17:25:35 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] [Way (OT)] Pedantic comment about metric usage
In-Reply-To: <98455C7F-7414-4134-AE55-E1999D2BCFEC@illinois.edu>
References: <r480Ps-10146i-43009B64D7D1423686D00CA8D9DD65FD@Williams-MacBook-Pro.local>
	<c1cefc44-b062-1b9a-a5af-0c2fc821fb8c@tx.rr.com>
	<163f9e6f-312f-4778-f15d-cf4d9208d392@foothill.net>
	<CABYU7WhnWsSx-TdE1aPLtrUvbcu95kBixaq5L4yUhv_T3Njtmw@mail.gmail.com>
	<98455C7F-7414-4134-AE55-E1999D2BCFEC@illinois.edu>
Message-ID: <5df09ebc-ecd4-6eb5-2426-d645c93aa5ce@coho.net>

Think more long term.? Velocity in Mega-parsecs per millennia.

 ??? Kevin.? KD5ONS

-

On 7/30/19 5:14 PM, hawley, charles j jr wrote:
> Hey! That?s my choice, Furlongs/Fortnight...
>
> Chuck Jack Hawley
> KE9UW
>
> Sent from my iPhone, cjack
>
>> On Jul 30, 2019, at 3:26 PM, rich hurd WC3T <rich at wc3t.us> wrote:
>>
>> At the risk of arousing Eric?s ire I tender the unit of measure in the most
>> obscure terms.  Velocity in furlongs/fortnight, for example.
>>
>> Hey, I?m on vacation.
>>
>>> On Tue, Jul 30, 2019 at 15:59 Fred Jensen <k6dgw at foothill.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> Yep, KMcs.  Even after Hz and it's metric extensions came along, those
>>> who remember when the Holy Frequency was the world's party line still
>>> used the more reverent Kcs to refer to it. [:-)
>>>
>>> 73,
>>> Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
>>> Sparks NV DM09dn
>>> Washoe County
>>>
>>>> On 7/30/2019 8:56 AM, Randy Farmer wrote:
>>>> Oh, my. Does anyone remember "kilo-megacycles"? Guess we got that one
>>>> fixed.
>>>>
>>>> 73...
>>>> Randy, W8FN
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>> Northampton County RACES, EPA-ARRL Public Information Officer for Scouting
>> Latitude: 40.761621 Longitude: -75.288988  (40?45.68' N 75?17.33' W) Grid:
>> *FN20is*
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From k2asp at kanafi.org  Tue Jul 30 20:49:24 2019
From: k2asp at kanafi.org (Phil Kane)
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2019 17:49:24 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] [Way (OT)] Pedantic comment about metric usage
In-Reply-To: <000c01d546f7$31360d30$93a22790$@erols.com>
References: <r480Ps-10146i-43009B64D7D1423686D00CA8D9DD65FD@Williams-MacBook-Pro.local>
	<000c01d546f7$31360d30$93a22790$@erols.com>
Message-ID: <19fd9a73-7fd4-bd77-9ebe-159a9d04a1f2@kanafi.org>

On 7/30/2019 9:52 AM, Charlie T wrote:
> If a megameter is 1000 kilometers, what is a trigometer ?

Something you use before you learn calculus???

73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane
Elecraft K2/100   s/n 5402

>From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest
Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon

From k2asp at kanafi.org  Tue Jul 30 20:57:12 2019
From: k2asp at kanafi.org (Phil Kane)
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2019 17:57:12 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] [Way (OT)] Pedantic comment about metric usage
In-Reply-To: <163f9e6f-312f-4778-f15d-cf4d9208d392@foothill.net>
References: <r480Ps-10146i-43009B64D7D1423686D00CA8D9DD65FD@Williams-MacBook-Pro.local>
	<c1cefc44-b062-1b9a-a5af-0c2fc821fb8c@tx.rr.com>
	<163f9e6f-312f-4778-f15d-cf4d9208d392@foothill.net>
Message-ID: <a624a249-fcb8-20f9-e4a0-f29c207b390e@kanafi.org>

On 7/30/2019 12:59 PM, Fred Jensen wrote:

> Yep, KMcs.? Even after Hz and it's metric extensions came along, those
> who remember when the Holy Frequency was the world's party line still
> used the more reverent Kcs to refer to it. [:-)

Wrong!  It's  500kc  (no "s", no space) - so sez Great Father Dillman. I
gave up trying to convert him to the 21st Century.  He also won't change
his local ruling about who he will let  operate his Coast station to
conform to the FCC's rules.....

73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane
Elecraft K2/100   s/n 5402

>From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest
Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon

From va3mw at portcredit.net  Tue Jul 30 22:17:54 2019
From: va3mw at portcredit.net (Michael Walker)
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2019 22:17:54 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] The ability to send screen shots
In-Reply-To: <000401d54724$668589c0$33909d40$@windstream.net>
References: <000401d54724$668589c0$33909d40$@windstream.net>
Message-ID: <CA+33ts6DwWmbPR-MKsjdJWer3t_yeunPPyuhT=HqUNd5AV4CaQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Dick

I considered links, arguably more dangerous, and as a pro photographer, I
can make that happen.

However, that turns a simple 10 second screen grab with GreenShot into a
bit  more of an exercise including using imgur, and yet another account,
login exercise.

Even with Yahoo Groups and IOGroups, screen shots are  invaluable when
working through an issue and makes problem solving better rather than
someone saying 'it doesn't work' and then a large quantity of emails with a
thousand new questions that no one reads anyway.

We could go back to Fax machines or RTTY stick figures too!  :)

Mike va3mw


On Tue, Jul 30, 2019 at 6:18 PM Dick Dickinson <softblue at windstream.net>
wrote:

> Hi Mike,
>
> I believe 'links' are allowed on this reflector.
>
> Consider having images hosted on am image hosting site and provide a link
> to
> them, if that is not forbidden.
>
> A reader can choose to look or not.
>
> I have used imgur.com  I'm not aware of any problems related to doing
> such,
> but I won't be surprised if I am soon informed.
>
> 8 )
>
> Kind regards,
> Dick - KA5KKT
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> Hi All
>
> This message is to the administrators of this reflector.
>
> Might it be possible to have the ability to have small images, such as
> screen shots to be able to be passed via the reflector?
>
> They can be an amazing teaching and learning tool to help others see what
> is being discussed.
>
> In decades passed, this feature was turned off due to dial up modems and
> the images may have been a vehicle for virus payloads.  Of course, dial up
> modems are long gone for 99% of the people and a properly patched computer
> will not now allow a program to run from an image.
>
> Most, if not all other reflectors allow for this feature to be available.
>
> Many thanks in advance for this consideration.
>
> Mike va3mw
>
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From KX3.2 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com  Tue Jul 30 23:22:22 2019
From: KX3.2 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com (Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT)
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2019 20:22:22 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] The ability to send screen shots
In-Reply-To: <CA+33ts6DwWmbPR-MKsjdJWer3t_yeunPPyuhT=HqUNd5AV4CaQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <000401d54724$668589c0$33909d40$@windstream.net>
	<CA+33ts6DwWmbPR-MKsjdJWer3t_yeunPPyuhT=HqUNd5AV4CaQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a81ceb99-4077-3111-0ef6-e205d83bd043@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com>

I don't know if Mailman (the list server used by QTH.NET) can be set up 
to allow HTML, but that would open the door to most everything asked 
behind this request.

The problem is, that the moment one allows HTML formatting, it brings in 
a whole bunch of other tools, including scripting, that can do some 
pretty bad stuff.

That's why, decades ago, the folks behind Mailman decided to strip HTML.

I think most of us have our mail programs reasonably well locked down, 
but I would still lean away from allowing HTML.

I haven't tried to attach a UUENCODED image, that might slip through, or 
it might not.  I don't know if any mail clients can send those anymore. 
I do know that Thunderbird receives them just fine.

73 -- Lynn

On 7/30/2019 7:17 PM, Michael Walker wrote:
> Hi Dick
> 
> I considered links, arguably more dangerous, and as a pro photographer, I
> can make that happen.
> 
> However, that turns a simple 10 second screen grab with GreenShot into a
> bit  more of an exercise including using imgur, and yet another account,
> login exercise.
> 
> Even with Yahoo Groups and IOGroups, screen shots are  invaluable when
> working through an issue and makes problem solving better rather than
> someone saying 'it doesn't work' and then a large quantity of emails with a
> thousand new questions that no one reads anyway.
> 
> We could go back to Fax machines or RTTY stick figures too!  :)
> 
> Mike va3mw
> 
> 
> On Tue, Jul 30, 2019 at 6:18 PM Dick Dickinson <softblue at windstream.net>
> wrote:
> 
>> Hi Mike,
>>
>> I believe 'links' are allowed on this reflector.
>>
>> Consider having images hosted on am image hosting site and provide a link
>> to
>> them, if that is not forbidden.
>>
>> A reader can choose to look or not.
>>
>> I have used imgur.com  I'm not aware of any problems related to doing
>> such,
>> but I won't be surprised if I am soon informed.
>>
>> 8 )
>>
>> Kind regards,
>> Dick - KA5KKT
>>
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Hi All
>>
>> This message is to the administrators of this reflector.
>>
>> Might it be possible to have the ability to have small images, such as
>> screen shots to be able to be passed via the reflector?
>>
>> They can be an amazing teaching and learning tool to help others see what
>> is being discussed.
>>
>> In decades passed, this feature was turned off due to dial up modems and
>> the images may have been a vehicle for virus payloads.  Of course, dial up
>> modems are long gone for 99% of the people and a properly patched computer
>> will not now allow a program to run from an image.
>>
>> Most, if not all other reflectors allow for this feature to be available.
>>
>> Many thanks in advance for this consideration.
>>
>> Mike va3mw
>>
>> ______________________________________________________________
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From KM6WIZ at att.net  Tue Jul 30 23:29:31 2019
From: KM6WIZ at att.net (Keith)
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2019 20:29:31 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] The ability to send screen shots
In-Reply-To: <000401d54724$668589c0$33909d40$@windstream.net>
References: <000401d54724$668589c0$33909d40$@windstream.net>
Message-ID: <19991e51-02f4-c082-4543-28a79d8846fb@att.net>

Hi Dick,

You can upload the image to IMGUR after you set up account there

then provide a link to the image that any one with a web browser on the 
Internet can view.

Here is an example:

<https://imgur.com/NjiwCWz>



On 7/30/19 3:16 PM, Dick Dickinson wrote:
> Hi Mike,
>
> I believe 'links' are allowed on this reflector.
>
> Consider having images hosted on am image hosting site and provide a link to
> them, if that is not forbidden.
>
> A reader can choose to look or not.
>
> I have used imgur.com  I'm not aware of any problems related to doing such,
> but I won't be surprised if I am soon informed.
>
> 8 )
>
> Kind regards,
> Dick - KA5KKT
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> Hi All
>
> This message is to the administrators of this reflector.
>
> Might it be possible to have the ability to have small images, such as
> screen shots to be able to be passed via the reflector?
>
> They can be an amazing teaching and learning tool to help others see what
> is being discussed.
>
> In decades passed, this feature was turned off due to dial up modems and
> the images may have been a vehicle for virus payloads.  Of course, dial up
> modems are long gone for 99% of the people and a properly patched computer
> will not now allow a program to run from an image.
>
> Most, if not all other reflectors allow for this feature to be available.
>
> Many thanks in advance for this consideration.
>
> Mike va3mw
>
> ______________________________________________________________
> Elecraft mailing list
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From k2vco.vic at gmail.com  Wed Jul 31 00:19:29 2019
From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Vic Rosenthal)
Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2019 07:19:29 +0300
Subject: [Elecraft] Windows Update and the K3 USB Audio
In-Reply-To: <73d848db-4412-77de-ab10-724f756b7067@audiosystemsgroup.com>
References: <BYAPR16MB296815371690F0E8F3A2D7C28CDC0@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
	<73d848db-4412-77de-ab10-724f756b7067@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Message-ID: <DFE26123-1BA9-4496-BCD4-3D4B7486A0DD@gmail.com>

If your radio computers must be connected to the internet, as mine are for DX clusters, Club Log, firmware updates, etc., etc., then this may not be a good idea, since older systems are targets for malware. When MS stops supplying security patches, the situation will become even worse.

Victor 4X6GP 

> On 30 Jul 2019, at 23:49, Jim Brown <jim at audiosystemsgroup.com> wrote:
> 
>> On 7/30/2019 12:02 PM, Andy Durbin wrote:
>> I avoided all the Win 10 pain by not installing it.
> 
> YES! For exactly this reason, I've paid extra to buy computers with Win7 rather than Win10 for radio.
> 
> 73, Jim K9YC
> 

From k2vco.vic at gmail.com  Wed Jul 31 00:22:14 2019
From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Vic Rosenthal)
Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2019 07:22:14 +0300
Subject: [Elecraft] [Way (OT)] Pedantic comment about metric usage
In-Reply-To: <1781921684.9565.1564520508380@wamui-hyena.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <1781921684.9565.1564520508380@wamui-hyena.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <247F7D76-9DFB-4C91-8F5A-1F0E8A9D5238@gmail.com>

No. 14 is wrong, of course. One million microphones is one phone, and a million phones is a megaphone.

Victor 4X6GP 

> On 31 Jul 2019, at 0:01, Jim KO5V <ko5v at earthlink.net> wrote:
> 
> These are wonderful, but I didn't see the millihelen: the quantity of face required to launch only one ship.
> 
> I really liked #17:, two kilomockingbirds...
> 
> 73, Jim
> 
> "Like these?:
> 
> 1. Ratio of an igloo's circumference to its diameter = Eskimo Pi
> 
> 2. 2000 pounds of Chinese soup = Won ton
> 
> 3. 1 millionth of a mouthwash = 1 microscope
> 
> 4. Time between slipping on a peel and smacking the pavement = 1
> bananosecond
> 
> 5. Weight an evangelist carries with God = 1 billigram
> 
> 6. Time it takes to sail 220 yards at 1 nautical mile per hour =
> Knotfurlong
> 
> 7. 364.25 days of drinking low calorie beer = 1 Lite year
> 
> 8. 16.5 feet in the Twilight Zone = 1 Rod Serling
> 
> 9. Half a large intestine = 1 semicolon
> 
> 10. 1,000,000 aches = 1 megahurtz
> 
> 11. Basic unit of laryngitis - 1 hoarsepower
> 
> 12. Shortest distance between two jokes - a straight line
> 
> 13. 453.6 graham crackers = 1 pound cake
> 
> 14. 1 million microphones = 1 megaphone
> 
> 15. 1 million bicycles = 1 megacycles
> 
> 16. 365.25 days = 1 unicycle
> 
> 17. 2000 mockingbirds = two kilomockingbirds
> 
> 18. 10 cards = 1 decacard
> 
> 19. 52 cards = 1 deckacard
> 
> 20. 1 kilogram of falling figs = 1 fig Newton
> 
> 21. 1000 grams of wet socks = 1 literhosen
> 
> 22. 1 millionth of a fish = 1 microfiche
> 
> 23. 1 trillion pins = 1 terrapin
> 
> 24. 10 rations = 1 decaration
> 
> 25. 100 rations = 1 C-ration
> 
> 26. 2 monograms = 1 diagram
> 
> 27. 8 nickels = 2 paradigms
> 
> 28. 2.4 statute miles of intravenous surgical tubing at Yale University
> Hospital = 1 I.V. League"
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From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Wed Jul 31 01:22:42 2019
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2019 22:22:42 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Windows Update and the K3 USB Audio
In-Reply-To: <DFE26123-1BA9-4496-BCD4-3D4B7486A0DD@gmail.com>
References: <BYAPR16MB296815371690F0E8F3A2D7C28CDC0@BYAPR16MB2968.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
	<73d848db-4412-77de-ab10-724f756b7067@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<DFE26123-1BA9-4496-BCD4-3D4B7486A0DD@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2f9b5286-5282-0f09-cd5b-9c2430121225@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On 7/30/2019 9:19 PM, Vic Rosenthal wrote:
> If your radio computers must be connected to the internet, as mine are for DX clusters, Club Log, firmware updates, etc., etc., then this may not be a good idea, since older systems are targets for malware.
It's a great idea NOW, as long as the OS is supported. I WANT updates, 
but on MY schedule, not automatically.? I have three Win7 machines, and 
they all get updated when I get the on-screen alert to do so -- IF I'm 
not in the middle of a contest or other operating activity. :)
> When MS stops supplying security patches, the situation will become even worse.

I'll pay the extra support fee for my shack computer.

73, Jim K9YC


From alang0hiq at yahoo.com  Wed Jul 31 04:31:55 2019
From: alang0hiq at yahoo.com (Alan Bee)
Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2019 08:31:55 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] Furlongs per fortnight (Elecraft Digest, Vol 183,
	Issue 29)
In-Reply-To: <mailman.23419.1564543349.2818.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
References: <mailman.23419.1564543349.2818.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID: <1360297003.94034.1564561915941@mail.yahoo.com>

How about Hz/dioptre.


73? Alan? G0HIQ
 

  

From g8kbvdave at googlemail.com  Wed Jul 31 04:46:50 2019
From: g8kbvdave at googlemail.com (Dave B)
Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2019 09:46:50 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] Subject:  The ability to send screen shots
Message-ID: <c621260d-973a-83c7-051d-2552bc051add@googlemail.com>

This is a text mode list, so it would I think need more than a casual
change to accommodate images or attachments.

However...? There is nothing to stop you from posting images to your
favourite photo sharing site (such as, but not only photobucket) then
(most importantly) making it publicly accessible, then sharing the link
to that image or page.

That keeps the list traffic down, and still allows people to see what is
being talked about.

73.

Dave G0WBX

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From djwilcox01 at yahoo.com  Wed Jul 31 05:14:22 2019
From: djwilcox01 at yahoo.com (David Wilcox)
Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2019 05:14:22 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Pro Audio PS
In-Reply-To: <10635685-8ef7-7aa5-7a62-38ef8d6d4709@embarqmail.com>
References: <2BD975EA-1D33-47AF-A5F6-1F06F26097D7@gmail.com>
	<F95B1940-C6A2-4978-8E6B-175966C39616@yahoo.com>
	<10635685-8ef7-7aa5-7a62-38ef8d6d4709@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <9E195D2F-FB78-430D-8578-2E6ED9578EB5@yahoo.com>

Thank you all for the information. Will Wiki it too so I can look at a schematic or two of how it happens.  

Dave K8WPE

David J. Wilcox K8WPE?s iPad

> On Jul 30, 2019, at 8:55 AM, Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com> wrote:
> 
> David,
> 
> Insensitivity to input voltage is characteristic of a switching power supply.  The switcher input takes power from the AC line, rectifies it and stores the energy in an inductor.  Then the switching circuit takes the inductor energy and dumps charge in a capacitor in its output to the desired output voltage.  Unlike a linear supply, no transformer or linear regulators are required.
> 
> This is greatly oversimplifying the circuits and operation of a switching supply, much additional design must go into it to control the switching circuit, component rise and fall times and output filtering.
> 
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
> 
>> On 7/30/2019 5:41 AM, David Wilcox via Elecraft wrote:
>> I also have one of these power supplies and am very happy with it.  Can someone please explain how it knows what voltage is input (120 v versus 240 v) to get the same 12 volts output.  Is there a different power cord?  Am sure it needs the correct wall plug adapter. Or is there just a 12 volt regulator in the output? Inquiring minds (my old 74 year old one at least) want to know.


From va3mw at portcredit.net  Wed Jul 31 07:30:12 2019
From: va3mw at portcredit.net (Michael Walker)
Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2019 07:30:12 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Subject: The ability to send screen shots
In-Reply-To: <c621260d-973a-83c7-051d-2552bc051add@googlemail.com>
References: <c621260d-973a-83c7-051d-2552bc051add@googlemail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+33ts5kwRBbYE16AQvajgbP03QVEu_74s-NEj7ktpmW=+A5ZA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Dave

I don't agree with it keeping the traffic down by not adding screen shots.
In fact, it is worse.

If you go to the web interfaces of other ham radio reflectors you have the
ability to then also see the image that is attached to the email.

As for keeping the traffic down, this is the worst reflector for getting
off topic.

Mike va3mw


On Wed, Jul 31, 2019 at 4:47 AM Dave B via Elecraft <
elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:

> This is a text mode list, so it would I think need more than a casual
> change to accommodate images or attachments.
>
> However...  There is nothing to stop you from posting images to your
> favourite photo sharing site (such as, but not only photobucket) then
> (most importantly) making it publicly accessible, then sharing the link
> to that image or page.
>
> That keeps the list traffic down, and still allows people to see what is
> being talked about.
>
> 73.
>
> Dave G0WBX
>
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From john at kk9a.com  Wed Jul 31 07:49:57 2019
From: john at kk9a.com (john at kk9a.com)
Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2019 06:49:57 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Windows Update and the K3 USB Audio
Message-ID: <20190731064957.Horde.ULWQdzUUr-TsD9yzk_VJ2Vq@www11.qth.com>

I stuck with Windows XP until the end. I have also purchased computers  
with Windows 7 when 10 was available and they all work very well. I  
have updates set to notify so I can install them at my leisure as the  
loading and reboots always seem to come at in inconvenient time.  Can  
you imagine getting an update when you're running 200+ QSOs per hour  
in a contest. Also the Windows 7 updates to not appear to require  
software reloads like Windows 10 does with Writelog and maybe others  
or cause any sound card setting changes. Unfortunately Microsoft is  
ending support of Windows 7 on January 14, 2020.

John KK9A




Jim Brown K9YC wrote:


> I avoided all the Win 10 pain by not installing it.

YES! For exactly this reason, I've paid extra to buy computers with Win7
rather than Win10 for radio.

73, Jim K9YC


From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Wed Jul 31 08:47:37 2019
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob)
Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2019 07:47:37 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Windows Update and the K3 USB Audio
In-Reply-To: <20190731064957.Horde.ULWQdzUUr-TsD9yzk_VJ2Vq@www11.qth.com>
References: <20190731064957.Horde.ULWQdzUUr-TsD9yzk_VJ2Vq@www11.qth.com>
Message-ID: <0e4de547-3174-9fde-3e6a-8b9052e59ba6@blomand.net>

With Windows 10 the user can select when updates are applied and can be 
notified when updates are available.?? Thus there is no interruption and 
no restarts and installation is your choice. Use what's provided by the 
system.?? Again, it is YOUR choice to use updates efficiently.

73

Bob, K4TAX


On 7/31/2019 6:49 AM, john at kk9a.com wrote:
> I stuck with Windows XP until the end. I have also purchased computers 
> with Windows 7 when 10 was available and they all work very well. I 
> have updates set to notify so I can install them at my leisure as the 
> loading and reboots always seem to come at in inconvenient time.? Can 
> you imagine getting an update when you're running 200+ QSOs per hour 
> in a contest. Also the Windows 7 updates to not appear to require 
> software reloads like Windows 10 does with Writelog and maybe others 
> or cause any sound card setting changes. Unfortunately Microsoft is 
> ending support of Windows 7 on January 14, 2020.
>
> John KK9A
>
>
>
>
> Jim Brown K9YC wrote:
>
>
>> I avoided all the Win 10 pain by not installing it.
>
> YES! For exactly this reason, I've paid extra to buy computers with Win7
> rather than Win10 for radio.
>
> 73, Jim K9YC
>
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From jim.w4atk at gmail.com  Wed Jul 31 08:55:29 2019
From: jim.w4atk at gmail.com (James Rogers)
Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2019 07:55:29 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] FS: Elecraft K-line
Message-ID: <5d418fbf.1c69fb81.c30da.6579@mx.google.com>

Station Closing
Included are:
K3s 100 W transceiver purchased 2015
       .5 ppm TCXO
        2.8 kHz filter
        KANT3
        KRX3A purchased Jan 2018
        USB cable to your computer
P3 Panadaptor  purchased 2014
       CBLP3Y cable to K3s
KPA500 Linear Amp purchased 2014
        240VAC power cord
        KPAK3AUX cable to k3s
 KAT500 auto tuner purchased 2014
        E850463 cable to KPA500
Historic Astatic D-104 PTT mic ( Heil dynamic conversion)
All manuals and documentation
Equipment is very clean, non-smoking environment, currently on the air.
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From frantz at pwpconsult.com  Wed Jul 31 08:56:20 2019
From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz)
Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2019 05:56:20 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] The ability to send screen shots
In-Reply-To: <a81ceb99-4077-3111-0ef6-e205d83bd043@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com>
Message-ID: <r480Ps-10146i-99A2EFF6CF1F40DDB844E6C5642C1330@Williams-MacBook-Pro.local>

On 7/30/19 at 8:22 PM, KX3.2 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com (Lynn W. 
Taylor, WB6UUT) wrote:

>The problem is, that the moment one allows HTML formatting, it 
>brings in a whole bunch of other tools, including scripting, 
>that can do some pretty bad stuff.
>
>That's why, decades ago, the folks behind Mailman decided to strip HTML.
>
>I think most of us have our mail programs reasonably well 
>locked down, but I would still lean away from allowing HTML.

As a retired computer security guy, I run a mail agent which 
doesn't render HTML. I assume that HTML email is from marketing 
people who are more interested in bling than in information.

Also, while the HTML interpreters may have had most of their 
security bugs shaken out, they still allow tracking by the big 
tracking companies e.g. Google, Facebook, Twitter etc. When the 
mail agent fetches a piece of Javascript, the server can log 
your IP address and which piece of email issued the fetch, 
adding to the cache of information about you.

73 Bill AE6JV

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From rwnewbould at comcast.net  Wed Jul 31 09:04:59 2019
From: rwnewbould at comcast.net (Rich)
Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2019 09:04:59 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Windows Update and the K3 USB Audio
In-Reply-To: <7010e55f-aead-297e-0c1a-3ff237f8b8f6@gmail.com>
References: <b1012b82-f1d7-cce0-5d51-d5133742aadf@comcast.net>
	<7010e55f-aead-297e-0c1a-3ff237f8b8f6@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <fe6138bd-2f7d-0998-62c0-99e648320f88@comcast.net>

Thanks that is good to know.

Rich

On 7/30/2019 18:11 PM, Steve Glickstein wrote:
> Rich, my experience is that even with USB devices plugged in, major 
> updates to my Win10 Pro system scramble various port assignments for 
> comm and audio. I keep a document on my hard drive with the a port 
> assignment list so I can restore them and run my ham software without 
> any hiccups.
>
> 73, Steve W4FMD
>
>
> On 7/30/2019 2:13 PM, Rich wrote:
>> I am sure many will be required to update Win10 to the supported 
>> version.? I think 10/19 is the drop dead date on the current version 
>> for support, not exactly sure.
>>
>> Any who,? I did mine yesterday and of course it hosed up my nicely 
>> labeled Codec audio entries in the Windows Sound Control Panel. It 
>> was not hard to get back in business and rename them, but as a note 
>> to others it recognized mine as Mono audio devices, hence I needed to 
>> change them manually to a stereo device (2 channel is the windows 
>> term) in the Sound Control Panel.
>>
>> My K3s was not connected to the computer USB when I did the update.?? 
>> I am now curious if this issue would be resolved if the K3 USB was 
>> indeed plugged into the computer during the update.? I am going to 
>> try it during the next update.
>>
>> I hope this may save some others,? some pain during the update process
>>
>> Rich
>>
>> K3RWN
>>
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From ed.n3cw at gmail.com  Wed Jul 31 09:55:42 2019
From: ed.n3cw at gmail.com (Ed G)
Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2019 09:55:42 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KX1 and 3080 Mod Kit Question
In-Reply-To: <mailman.22994.1564219557.2818.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
References: <mailman.22994.1564219557.2818.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID: <5d419dde.1c69fb81.c0cfb.3ba6@mx.google.com>

Hello,
     Just finished installing the 3080 mod kit for my KX1.  All functions of the KX1 appear to operate ok except that when I change bands I see ?12? for 30 meters on the display.  I was expecting to see ?10.?  Is this normal?
--Ed?


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From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Wed Jul 31 10:11:57 2019
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2019 10:11:57 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KX1 and 3080 Mod Kit Question
In-Reply-To: <5d419dde.1c69fb81.c0cfb.3ba6@mx.google.com>
References: <mailman.22994.1564219557.2818.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
	<5d419dde.1c69fb81.c0cfb.3ba6@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <e3b62a1b-de35-47df-9ef7-aaf0dca4dece@embarqmail.com>

Ed,

With the KX1 having general coverage receive capability, is it possible 
that you have at some point or another dialed the VFO to a 12 MHz segment?

Try just dialing it to the 30 meter band and see what happens.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 7/31/2019 9:55 AM, Ed G wrote:
> Hello,
>       Just finished installing the 3080 mod kit for my KX1.  All functions of the KX1 appear to operate ok except that when I change bands I see ?12? for 30 meters on the display.  I was expecting to see ?10.?  Is this normal?

From frantz at pwpconsult.com  Wed Jul 31 10:18:22 2019
From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz)
Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2019 07:18:22 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Windows Update and the K3 USB Audio
Message-ID: <r480Ps-10146i-36C1E6EACC184C5B9350ADB90F927AE9@Williams-MacBook-Pro.local>

I'll have to admit, the "best" of these was when I saw a Windows 
update start to load during a PowerPoint presentation.

As a Mac user, I've never had a problem with the 2 USB <-> RS232 
cables I have, one for the K3 and the other for the KX3. The Mac 
always gets them right, even when I change USB hubs etc. If you 
want to beat on Microsoft to fix their bug, here's some ammo. 
And you do have my profound sympathy for having to deal with the situation.

73 Bill AE6JV

On 7/31/19 at 4:49 AM, john at kk9a.com wrote:

>Can you imagine getting an update when you're running 200+ QSOs 
>per hour in a contest.

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From ed.n3cw at gmail.com  Wed Jul 31 10:30:30 2019
From: ed.n3cw at gmail.com (Ed G)
Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2019 10:30:30 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KX1 and 3080 Mod Kit Question
In-Reply-To: <e3b62a1b-de35-47df-9ef7-aaf0dca4dece@embarqmail.com>
References: <mailman.22994.1564219557.2818.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
	<5d419dde.1c69fb81.c0cfb.3ba6@mx.google.com>
	<e3b62a1b-de35-47df-9ef7-aaf0dca4dece@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <5d41a606.1c69fb81.b3039.7764@mx.google.com>

Hi Don,
     Well, that?s the answer.  Except that I have not done any previous  tuning or listening on the 30 meter band; this is a new 3080 mod installation.  But for some reason the frequency in memory was 12.  I?ve tuned down a bit and now am seeing 10 MHz when I hit the band switch.  Thanks!
--Ed?


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From: Don Wilhelm
Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2019 10:12 AM
To: Ed G; elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX1 and 3080 Mod Kit Question

Ed,

With the KX1 having general coverage receive capability, is it possible 
that you have at some point or another dialed the VFO to a 12 MHz segment?

Try just dialing it to the 30 meter band and see what happens.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 7/31/2019 9:55 AM, Ed G wrote:
> Hello,
>       Just finished installing the 3080 mod kit for my KX1.  All functions of the KX1 appear to operate ok except that when I change bands I see ?12? for 30 meters on the display.  I was expecting to see ?10.?  Is this normal?



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From josh at voodoolab.com  Wed Jul 31 10:37:46 2019
From: josh at voodoolab.com (Josh Fiden)
Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2019 07:37:46 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Pro Audio PS
In-Reply-To: <9E195D2F-FB78-430D-8578-2E6ED9578EB5@yahoo.com>
References: <2BD975EA-1D33-47AF-A5F6-1F06F26097D7@gmail.com>
	<F95B1940-C6A2-4978-8E6B-175966C39616@yahoo.com>
	<10635685-8ef7-7aa5-7a62-38ef8d6d4709@embarqmail.com>
	<9E195D2F-FB78-430D-8578-2E6ED9578EB5@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <B1DE4B83-6DCB-48D1-95A9-E1B92759AC1B@voodoolab.com>

The adapter PAE sources is a flyback converter. 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flyback_converter

Flyback is a buck-boost DC/DC converter where the inductor is split into a transformer to allow a big voltage change (340v in to 12v out) and provide galvanic isolation for safety. 

There?s a controller which adjusts the pulse width and period of the MOSFET switch that charges the primary to regulate the output voltage under changing input voltage and load current. 

73
Josh W6XU

Sent from my mobile device

> On Jul 31, 2019, at 2:14 AM, David Wilcox via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
> 
> Thank you all for the information. Will Wiki it too so I can look at a schematic or two of how it happens.  
> 
> Dave K8WPE

From lladerman at earthlink.net  Wed Jul 31 11:10:47 2019
From: lladerman at earthlink.net (W0FK)
Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2019 08:10:47 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 Band information
Message-ID: <1564585847491-0.post@n2.nabble.com>

Will the K4 output band data through the ACC 15-pin jack the same as the
K3/K3S?

73

Lou, W0FK



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From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Wed Jul 31 11:28:44 2019
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2019 11:28:44 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Dummy Load recommendation
In-Reply-To: <2105647175.1514607.1563896296552@mail2.virginmedia.com>
References: <960693d3-55d3-e54e-5af3-5f268207ec00@gmail.com>
	<B503BF4C-51EE-468D-9082-9F7597F27F52@illinois.edu>
	<382071120.1505292.1563878614541@mail2.virginmedia.com>
	<96963153-d07e-8511-681c-e6c89237a020@blomand.net>
	<E47A0100-75B1-44DC-B32D-A57E69681E21@w2xj.net>
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	<2105647175.1514607.1563896296552@mail2.virginmedia.com>
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David,

Your question about "what is good enough" is an informative one.
When I was doing repair/alignment work for others, it was important to 
me to have tools that had traceable calibration info.  I had some good 
50 ohm dummy loads that were good to 1 GHz, and an LP-100A that was 
calibrated to NIST standards (which I used as a sanity check for other 
power measurement instruments).  Having those calibrated tools were 
important to maintain my customer's trust.

In amateur practice, such care is not necessarily needed, but the 
K3/KX2/KX3 TX gain calibration does require a good 50 ohm load up to 50 
MHz.  That is easily checked by sweeping it with an antenna analyzer.

As for the power measurement, once you have a good 50 ohm dummy load, it 
is easy to use a 'scope (with a 10X probe) connected across that dummy 
load (use a TEE adapter to gain access to the coax center conductor). 
Then you can measure the RF voltage (peak to peak shown on the 'scope), 
and use the formula Vp-p squared then divided by 400 to quickly obtain 
an accurate calculation of the power.  Nothing really expensive except 
for the 'scope (which can be borrowed in many cases).

So what you need first is a good 50 ohm dummy load, and secondly, access 
to a 'scope having reasonable calibration for the vertical deflection at 
the frequency of interest.

With that combination, you can check the error in other in-line power 
measurement equipment.

In most cases a 10% or 20% error is not going to make a big difference 
in on-the-air performance - anywhere in the ballpark is usually OK.

You are correct that we have become complacent because of digital 
displays.  Take a 4 digit display in an instrument having accuracy of 
10% - the difference between a display of 10.41 and 9.37 or 11.45 is 
meaningless given the 10% accuracy of the instrument itself.  You should 
round that reading to 10 volts.  Analog readouts automatically do that 
compensation because you cannot read the meter scale with 4 digit 
accuracy.  Even my 12 inch slide rule in college was limited to 3 
significant digits.

There is a difference between doing it "good enough" and with greater 
accuracy depends on the purposes of your measurements.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 7/23/2019 11:38 AM, CUTTER DAVID via Elecraft wrote:
> I agree with all that has been said and suspect a lot of responders on this list are or were engineers who are used to using precision equipment.  I think it can be misleading to look at some instruments built into a transceiver for instance, but it never seemed to matter, until Elecraft came along.  I did my calibration with a Bird power meter and a Bird 500W load but I have no idea when they were last calibrated, so, what value do I put on the measurements?  Well, it's good enough for me. But calibration is a special case and I'd never heard of amateurs calibrating for power before Elecraft.  Accurate power meters are costly to buy and maintain if you are in business, but for me now I'm retired it doesn't matter so much because I'm not doing it for a paying customer.  I think we are misled by the easy precision of the digital multimeter which for a few ? or $ is ten times as good as what we previously thought were good analogue instruments.  In short, I think technology can cause us to bite our finger nails unnecessarily.  10% or 20% power error is hardly noticeable to the guy on the other side of the world.

From d.cutter at ntlworld.com  Wed Jul 31 11:57:10 2019
From: d.cutter at ntlworld.com (CUTTER DAVID)
Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2019 16:57:10 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [Elecraft] Dummy Load recommendation
In-Reply-To: <646a5d7c-1e6b-2a0f-76d8-588ed43ba28b@embarqmail.com>
References: <960693d3-55d3-e54e-5af3-5f268207ec00@gmail.com>
	<B503BF4C-51EE-468D-9082-9F7597F27F52@illinois.edu>
	<382071120.1505292.1563878614541@mail2.virginmedia.com>
	<96963153-d07e-8511-681c-e6c89237a020@blomand.net>
	<E47A0100-75B1-44DC-B32D-A57E69681E21@w2xj.net>
	<8B2128DF-CB04-4118-93C9-0CD425316A0D@blomand.net>
	<2105647175.1514607.1563896296552@mail2.virginmedia.com>
	<646a5d7c-1e6b-2a0f-76d8-588ed43ba28b@embarqmail.com>
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Don
Thanks for those further notes.  I'm also thinking of the best we can do with the most primitive equipment.  Amateurs have been making RF probes forever and now we have cheap digital multimeters with >1Mohm input impedance it should be even easier to get a good estimate of power using the method you outline but without a scope, which itself has to be expensively calibrated and you still have to interpret an analogue display.  
I wonder just how good we could make and calibrate an RF probe. 
David G3UNA

> On 31 July 2019 at 16:28 Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> David,
> 
> Your question about "what is good enough" is an informative one.
> When I was doing repair/alignment work for others, it was important to 
> me to have tools that had traceable calibration info.  I had some good 
> 50 ohm dummy loads that were good to 1 GHz, and an LP-100A that was 
> calibrated to NIST standards (which I used as a sanity check for other 
> power measurement instruments).  Having those calibrated tools were 
> important to maintain my customer's trust.
> 
> In amateur practice, such care is not necessarily needed, but the 
> K3/KX2/KX3 TX gain calibration does require a good 50 ohm load up to 50 
> MHz.  That is easily checked by sweeping it with an antenna analyzer.
> 
> As for the power measurement, once you have a good 50 ohm dummy load, it 
> is easy to use a 'scope (with a 10X probe) connected across that dummy 
> load (use a TEE adapter to gain access to the coax center conductor). 
> Then you can measure the RF voltage (peak to peak shown on the 'scope), 
> and use the formula Vp-p squared then divided by 400 to quickly obtain 
> an accurate calculation of the power.  Nothing really expensive except 
> for the 'scope (which can be borrowed in many cases).
> 
> So what you need first is a good 50 ohm dummy load, and secondly, access 
> to a 'scope having reasonable calibration for the vertical deflection at 
> the frequency of interest.
> 
> With that combination, you can check the error in other in-line power 
> measurement equipment.
> 
> In most cases a 10% or 20% error is not going to make a big difference 
> in on-the-air performance - anywhere in the ballpark is usually OK.
> 
> You are correct that we have become complacent because of digital 
> displays.  Take a 4 digit display in an instrument having accuracy of 
> 10% - the difference between a display of 10.41 and 9.37 or 11.45 is 
> meaningless given the 10% accuracy of the instrument itself.  You should 
> round that reading to 10 volts.  Analog readouts automatically do that 
> compensation because you cannot read the meter scale with 4 digit 
> accuracy.  Even my 12 inch slide rule in college was limited to 3 
> significant digits.
> 
> There is a difference between doing it "good enough" and with greater 
> accuracy depends on the purposes of your measurements.
> 
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
> 
> On 7/23/2019 11:38 AM, CUTTER DAVID via Elecraft wrote:
> > I agree with all that has been said and suspect a lot of responders on this list are or were engineers who are used to using precision equipment.  I think it can be misleading to look at some instruments built into a transceiver for instance, but it never seemed to matter, until Elecraft came along.  I did my calibration with a Bird power meter and a Bird 500W load but I have no idea when they were last calibrated, so, what value do I put on the measurements?  Well, it's good enough for me. But calibration is a special case and I'd never heard of amateurs calibrating for power before Elecraft.  Accurate power meters are costly to buy and maintain if you are in business, but for me now I'm retired it doesn't matter so much because I'm not doing it for a paying customer.  I think we are misled by the easy precision of the digital multimeter which for a few ? or $ is ten times as good as what we previously thought were good analogue instruments.  In short, I think technology can cause us to bite our finger nails unnecessarily.  10% or 20% power error is hardly noticeable to the guy on the other side of the world.

From n6kr at elecraft.com  Wed Jul 31 13:01:13 2019
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2019 10:01:13 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 Band information
In-Reply-To: <1564585847491-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1564585847491-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <3816B873-42B8-4CE3-BF4A-7C073EC361C7@elecraft.com>

Yes. All ACC connections are the same.  

73,
Wayne
N6KR

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> On Jul 31, 2019, at 8:10 AM, W0FK <lladerman at earthlink.net> wrote:
> 
> Will the K4 output band data through the ACC 15-pin jack the same as the
> K3/K3S?
> 
> 73
> 
> Lou, W0FK
> 
> 
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From wes_n7ws at triconet.org  Wed Jul 31 13:20:52 2019
From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes)
Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2019 10:20:52 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 noise blanking
Message-ID: <5f8994eb-a735-928e-f86b-7a763ed04ac0@triconet.org>

Since the basic K4 is direct sampling, I don't see there being a hardware 
blanker.? On the other hand, the "HD" will be superhet with crystal filtering.? 
Crystal filters delay and stretch noise pulses, making subsequent software 
blanking less effective.

So, my first question is, will there be a hardware blanker ahead of the crystal 
filtering and will there be some delay in the signal path to compensated for 
time delays in the noise channel?

Second, with there be enough "smarts" in the blanking system so an operator 
doesn't have to wade through 400+ settings?

Wes? N7WS


From n6kr at elecraft.com  Wed Jul 31 15:26:13 2019
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2019 12:26:13 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 noise blanking
In-Reply-To: <5f8994eb-a735-928e-f86b-7a763ed04ac0@triconet.org>
References: <5f8994eb-a735-928e-f86b-7a763ed04ac0@triconet.org>
Message-ID: <8AEC31EF-05F7-4A68-BF7C-66F07D2253B6@elecraft.com>

Wes,

The HD model will include per-receiver hardware noise blanker modules, similar to a dual-receive K3S. 

All models will have enhanced DSP-based blanking, supplemented by fast-pulse blanking in the FPGA, which is similar to the function of hardware blanker. 

And yes, the UI will be simplified. 

Wayne
N6KR

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> On Jul 31, 2019, at 10:20 AM, Wes <wes_n7ws at triconet.org> wrote:
> 
> Since the basic K4 is direct sampling, I don't see there being a hardware blanker.  On the other hand, the "HD" will be superhet with crystal filtering.  Crystal filters delay and stretch noise pulses, making subsequent software blanking less effective.
> 
> So, my first question is, will there be a hardware blanker ahead of the crystal filtering and will there be some delay in the signal path to compensated for time delays in the noise channel?
> 
> Second, with there be enough "smarts" in the blanking system so an operator doesn't have to wade through 400+ settings?
> 
> Wes  N7WS
> 
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From miken0wdm at icloud.com  Wed Jul 31 16:37:38 2019
From: miken0wdm at icloud.com (Michael St.James)
Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2019 15:37:38 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 volume
Message-ID: <BF62E7BD-B90E-4AF0-9B14-728FDB1ED00B@icloud.com>

Help! My KX3 has little to no speaker volume. My RF=-0 and my AF=58 yet to hear any signal coming in through my R7 vertical I have to use the preamp. I?ve checked the antenna with my other radios. It?s working great. I haven?t used the KX3 in many months and I suspect I have set something wrong in menu. Can anyone suggest a correction? 

Sent from my iPad

From wes_n7ws at triconet.org  Wed Jul 31 17:39:29 2019
From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes)
Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2019 14:39:29 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K4 noise blanking
In-Reply-To: <8AEC31EF-05F7-4A68-BF7C-66F07D2253B6@elecraft.com>
References: <5f8994eb-a735-928e-f86b-7a763ed04ac0@triconet.org>
	<8AEC31EF-05F7-4A68-BF7C-66F07D2253B6@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <2fa62fed-16aa-3f18-4e1a-9ee7c5c01a2a@triconet.org>

Thanks Wayne,

Sounds good.

Wes

On 7/31/2019 12:26 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
> Wes,
>
> The HD model will include per-receiver hardware noise blanker modules, similar 
> to a dual-receive K3S.
>
> All models will have enhanced DSP-based blanking, supplemented by fast-pulse 
> blanking in the FPGA, which is similar to the function of hardware blanker.
>
> And yes, the UI will be simplified.
>
> Wayne
> N6KR
>
> ----
> elecraft.com <http://elecraft.com>
>
> On Jul 31, 2019, at 10:20 AM, Wes <wes_n7ws at triconet.org 
> <mailto:wes_n7ws at triconet.org>> wrote:
>
>> Since the basic K4 is direct sampling, I don't see there being a hardware 
>> blanker.? On the other hand, the "HD" will be superhet with crystal 
>> filtering. Crystal filters delay and stretch noise pulses, making subsequent 
>> software blanking less effective.
>>
>> So, my first question is, will there be a hardware blanker ahead of the 
>> crystal filtering and will there be some delay in the signal path to 
>> compensated for time delays in the noise channel?
>>
>> Second, with there be enough "smarts" in the blanking system so an operator 
>> doesn't have to wade through 400+ settings?
>>
>> Wes? N7WS
>>
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From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Wed Jul 31 18:08:53 2019
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2019 18:08:53 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 volume
In-Reply-To: <BF62E7BD-B90E-4AF0-9B14-728FDB1ED00B@icloud.com>
References: <BF62E7BD-B90E-4AF0-9B14-728FDB1ED00B@icloud.com>
Message-ID: <cf0be816-cc53-d930-932f-e298eae9e69c@embarqmail.com>

Michael,

Is it an RF problem or an audio problem?  Do an S-meter comparison with 
your other radios (the preamp should be on, the KX3 design assumes the 
preamp is on).

If the S-meter is OK, then determine if it is a speaker problem only. 
Check with headphones.

Since it has been unused for a time, there may be oxidation on the 
connectors - unplug and reseat the connectors to wipe oxidation from the 
contacts.

If none of that reveals anything enlightening, contact support at elecraft.com.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 7/31/2019 4:37 PM, Michael St.James via Elecraft wrote:
> Help! My KX3 has little to no speaker volume. My RF=-0 and my AF=58 yet to hear any signal coming in through my R7 vertical I have to use the preamp. I?ve checked the antenna with my other radios. It?s working great. I haven?t used the KX3 in many months and I suspect I have set something wrong in menu. Can anyone suggest a correction?

From dmboresz at gmail.com  Wed Jul 31 19:37:54 2019
From: dmboresz at gmail.com (Dale Boresz)
Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2019 19:37:54 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 volume
In-Reply-To: <BF62E7BD-B90E-4AF0-9B14-728FDB1ED00B@icloud.com>
References: <BF62E7BD-B90E-4AF0-9B14-728FDB1ED00B@icloud.com>
Message-ID: <CAPkaV9DOiM5Yw-MHHY9FBLSDHsS3sHf-g3YNx56OB+V-z6tVJQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Michael,

If you are listening on any band higher than 40m on the KX3, you should
probably have the preamp engaged. If I recall correctly, there are
recommendations in the User Manual regarding the preamp.

73,

Dale - WA8SRA


On Wed, Jul 31, 2019 at 4:38 PM Michael St.James via Elecraft <
elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:

> Help! My KX3 has little to no speaker volume. My RF=-0 and my AF=58 yet to
> hear any signal coming in through my R7 vertical I have to use the preamp.
> I?ve checked the antenna with my other radios. It?s working great. I
> haven?t used the KX3 in many months and I suspect I have set something
> wrong in menu. Can anyone suggest a correction?
>
> Sent from my iPad
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From dr35kv at gmail.com  Wed Jul 31 22:49:03 2019
From: dr35kv at gmail.com (Steve Boles)
Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2019 22:49:03 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Windows Update and the K3 USB Audio
In-Reply-To: <0e4de547-3174-9fde-3e6a-8b9052e59ba6@blomand.net>
References: <20190731064957.Horde.ULWQdzUUr-TsD9yzk_VJ2Vq@www11.qth.com>
	<0e4de547-3174-9fde-3e6a-8b9052e59ba6@blomand.net>
Message-ID: <CAJtFh2LQyXT=5kodSkihK2Vib=KAChta-A9WaR26UUfaTaggcQ@mail.gmail.com>

Has anyone tried UBUNTU (Linux)    ...  73 - Steve (ARS: WB4SED)

On Wed, Jul 31, 2019 at 8:47 AM Bob <rmcgraw at blomand.net> wrote:

> With Windows 10 the user can select when updates are applied and can be
> notified when updates are available.   Thus there is no interruption and
> no restarts and installation is your choice. Use what's provided by the
> system.   Again, it is YOUR choice to use updates efficiently.
>
> 73
>
> Bob, K4TAX
>
>
> On 7/31/2019 6:49 AM, john at kk9a.com wrote:
> > I stuck with Windows XP until the end. I have also purchased computers
> > with Windows 7 when 10 was available and they all work very well. I
> > have updates set to notify so I can install them at my leisure as the
> > loading and reboots always seem to come at in inconvenient time.  Can
> > you imagine getting an update when you're running 200+ QSOs per hour
> > in a contest. Also the Windows 7 updates to not appear to require
> > software reloads like Windows 10 does with Writelog and maybe others
> > or cause any sound card setting changes. Unfortunately Microsoft is
> > ending support of Windows 7 on January 14, 2020.
> >
> > John KK9A
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Jim Brown K9YC wrote:
> >
> >
> >> I avoided all the Win 10 pain by not installing it.
> >
> > YES! For exactly this reason, I've paid extra to buy computers with Win7
> > rather than Win10 for radio.
> >
> > 73, Jim K9YC
> >
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From riese-k3djc at juno.com  Wed Jul 31 23:41:20 2019
From: riese-k3djc at juno.com (riese-k3djc at juno.com)
Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2019 23:41:20 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Has anyone tried UBUNTU (Linux
Message-ID: <AABQWEZ8BAYNNU7J@smtpout02.vgs.untd.com>

when it was introduced i had a machine that would double boot
worked well, stable but not much written for it

Bob K3DJC




On Wed, 31 Jul 2019 22:49:03 -0400 Steve Boles <dr35kv at gmail.com> writes:
> Has anyone tried UBUNTU (Linux)    ...  73 - Steve (ARS: WB4SED)


From dave at nk7z.net  Wed Jul 31 23:54:41 2019
From: dave at nk7z.net (Dave Cole)
Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2019 20:54:41 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Has anyone tried UBUNTU (Linux
In-Reply-To: <AABQWEZ8BAYNNU7J@smtpout02.vgs.untd.com>
References: <AABQWEZ8BAYNNU7J@smtpout02.vgs.untd.com>
Message-ID: <63d690ca-7527-9494-cdd9-c2c3c88abe18@nk7z.net>

I am running Ubuntu on two machines, and it is rock solid.  My main 
machine never has an issue, and always works, and I beat it up daily... 
My wife's laptop is the same, no issues in several years of operation.

73, and thanks,
Dave (NK7Z)
https://www.nk7z.net
ARRL Technical Specialist
ARRL Volunteer Examiner
ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources

On 7/31/19 8:41 PM, riese-k3djc at juno.com wrote:
> when it was introduced i had a machine that would double boot
> worked well, stable but not much written for it
> 
> Bob K3DJC
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, 31 Jul 2019 22:49:03 -0400 Steve Boles <dr35kv at gmail.com> writes:
>> Has anyone tried UBUNTU (Linux)    ...  73 - Steve (ARS: WB4SED)
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