From rc.kc5wa at gmail.com  Sat Sep  1 09:15:20 2018
From: rc.kc5wa at gmail.com (Robert 'RC' Conley)
Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2018 08:15:20 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] (OT )AND YOU CW WAS THE CAT'S MEOW
Message-ID: <CALpA8Wj-3KCvLTG67V+oOe56K3k+276WFLHm51+gVpKezhW5JA@mail.gmail.com>

and the winner is Morse code
<
https://spectrum.ieee.org/telecom/standards/morse-codes-vanquished-competitor-the-dial-telegraph
>

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From eric at elecraft.com  Sat Sep  1 11:31:53 2018
From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz WA6HHQ - Elecraft)
Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2018 08:31:53 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Why Black
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Folks, this thread was closed over a day ago in the interest of limiting list reader email overload. 

Please refrain from further posts on this topic. 

73,
Eric
Moderator, and chief bottle washer. 
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> On Aug 31, 2018, at 8:53 PM, Gwen Patton <ardrhi at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> The issue I have with black items is that EVERYTHING is black these days.
> Cables are black. Cases are black. Bags are black. Boxes are black.
> Microphones are black. Handhelds are black (except for Baofeng :P). Rubber
> duckies are black. When you get a pile of black things it's impossible to
> find one SPECIFIC shapeless black object among them. Thankfully someone got
> the idea regarding USB cables, and now they're starting to make them in
> more visible colors. I'd be able to find the nice bright electric green USB
> cable, if I could only find the shapeless black bag I put it in because the
> bag came with the package of cables...
> 
> 73,
> Gwen NG3P
> 
>> On Fri, Aug 31, 2018 at 7:18 PM <kstover at ac0h.net> wrote:
>> 
>> For those of us who are visually challenged black on anything is very
>> tough.
>> The one exception to the rule is computer screens. A black or dark
>> background with light text really helps with the eye strain.
>> I think Elecraft should seriously consider changing the color of the
>> display. Orange background with black text isn't high contrast enough. A
>> black background ala just about everybody else makes the radio easier to
>> see.
>> 
>> R. Kevin Stover    AC0H
>> 
>> ARRL, FISTS, SKCC, NAQCC.
>> "If it doesn't work the first time you push the button it won't work the
>> 20th.Just stop."
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net>
>> On
>> Behalf Of Bill Frantz
>> Sent: Friday, August 31, 2018 8:45 AM
>> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>> Subject: [Elecraft] Why Black
>> 
>>> On 8/30/18 at 5:31 AM, glcazzola at alice.it (IK4EWX) wrote:
>>> 
>>> ... Here the problem is the black face of KPOD.
>> 
>> I have had problems reading the labels on my K3 in dark rooms and tents. I
>> wonder why most radio available today are black. In the old days, the
>> Collins and Heathkit radios weren't black. It would seem that black letters
>> on a light background would be more visible under low light conditions. It
>> would also liven up the shack.
>> 
>> 73 Bill AE6JV
>> 
>> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Bill Frantz        | Concurrency is hard. 12 out  | Periwinkle
>> (408)356-8506      | 10 programmers get it wrong. | 16345
>> Englewood Ave
>> www.pwpconsult.com |                - Jeff Frantz | Los Gatos,
>> CA 95032
>> 
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From w2ljqrp at gmail.com  Sat Sep  1 12:05:54 2018
From: w2ljqrp at gmail.com (Larry W2LJ)
Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2018 12:05:54 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] NJQRP Skeeter Hunt - If you snooze .....
Message-ID: <b38c3997fab88b40a35c2d4dce009c7f@192.168.1.10>

If you snooze, you lose! DON'T BE LEFT OUT! If you partook - send in your score and comments.

Log submissions are due by Midnight of Labor Day, September 3rd. That's THIS Monday night.

You don't have to submit your entire logs - just a summary - follow this example

Larry - W2LJ - NJ
Skeeter #13 - All CW
Single Op
Skeeter QSOs - 23
Non-Skeeter QRP QSOs - 5
Non-Skeeter QRO QSOs - (if any)
S/P/Cs - 18
Station Class Multiplier X4
Water Bonus - 100 points

Please send it to w2ljqrp at gmail.com

I will answer each log submission with an e-mail veifying your entry. If you don't hear from me - try again.

The Scoreboard and comments will be posted Tuesday evening.


72 de Larry W2LJ
NJQRP Skeeter Hunt Manager

From d.cutter at ntlworld.com  Sat Sep  1 15:38:56 2018
From: d.cutter at ntlworld.com (David Cutter)
Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2018 20:38:56 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] internet speed for remote K3S
Message-ID: <03f801d4422b$6cb7f890$4627e9b0$@ntlworld.com>

I will soon be building a remote control station about 20miles away.  Both
stations have access to broadband, but what speed will give satisfactory
results?  
tnx and 73
David G3UNA


From bbaines at mac.com  Sat Sep  1 16:28:12 2018
From: bbaines at mac.com (Barry Baines)
Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2018 16:28:12 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] internet speed for remote K3S
In-Reply-To: <03f801d4422b$6cb7f890$4627e9b0$@ntlworld.com>
References: <03f801d4422b$6cb7f890$4627e9b0$@ntlworld.com>
Message-ID: <A90E8B69-4F08-41B4-901B-947163A92466@mac.com>

David:

> On Sep 1, 2018, at 3:38 PM, David Cutter via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
> 
> I will soon be building a remote control station about 20miles away.  Both
> stations have access to broadband, but what speed will give satisfactory
> results?  

My experience operating remote is with a K3I/O-mini and Remote Rig interfaces.  My station is 1,250 miles from where I?m currently located. The K3 transmitter site (Southeast Georgia) is in a rural setting that uses DSL with a downlink capability of about 20 Mbps and uplink capability of about 1 Mbps (the fastest speed available for residential customers).  The control location (Boston) with the K3/IO-Mini uses Comcast/Xfinity which provides a downlink capability of 90 MBps and 6 Mbps uplink.  With this setup I have no problems using the K3/IO through the K3/IO-Mini with excellent audio and instantaneous management of the radio.  At the same, I?m using web-based interfaces (RR-1216H) to control the KPA500 amplifier and Green Heron RT-21 rotor controller.  

One of the advantages of Remote Rig is that there are various audio codec options available which can be set depending upon how much bandwidth is available.  My remote rig setup uses a relatively low audio setting (16 KHz) but the audio sounds fine to my ears and I have no problem with this setup.  I haven?t experimented with higher audio settings in part because I have other devices feeding data through that 1 MB Uplink as well.

Bottom line is that if you have true ?broadband? at both locations, I wouldn?t expect any problems.


FWIW,

Barry Baines, WD4ASW
(Currently in Boston, MA)












> tnx and 73
> David G3UNA
> 
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From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Sat Sep  1 16:30:59 2018
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2018 13:30:59 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] internet speed for remote K3S
In-Reply-To: <03f801d4422b$6cb7f890$4627e9b0$@ntlworld.com>
References: <03f801d4422b$6cb7f890$4627e9b0$@ntlworld.com>
Message-ID: <75215dee-06fe-a2a6-bc13-3427d5d589aa@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On 9/1/2018 12:38 PM, David Cutter via Elecraft wrote:
> Both
> stations have access to broadband, but what speed will give satisfactory
> results?

Hi David,

I've never done this, but reading from what others have done, I suspect 
that latency may be as important as speed, especially if you want to do 
CW contesting or break a DX pileup.

73, Jim K9YC


From w5sv.dave at gmail.com  Sat Sep  1 17:52:44 2018
From: w5sv.dave at gmail.com (David F. Reed)
Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2018 16:52:44 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] internet speed for remote K3S
In-Reply-To: <75215dee-06fe-a2a6-bc13-3427d5d589aa@audiosystemsgroup.com>
References: <03f801d4422b$6cb7f890$4627e9b0$@ntlworld.com>
	<75215dee-06fe-a2a6-bc13-3427d5d589aa@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Message-ID: <31704ebc-6965-d1f3-310c-8f50c09d5f21@gmail.com>

My experience is exactly that; look out for latency; that is the 
killer.? Yes you need a minimal speed that is pretty good, but latency 
is a big issue; for example the satellite based ISPs are useless for 
this; adequate for streaming movies, etc. but latency is way to high...

73 de Dave, W5SV


On 9/1/18 3:30 PM, Jim Brown wrote:
> On 9/1/2018 12:38 PM, David Cutter via Elecraft wrote:
>> Both
>> stations have access to broadband, but what speed will give satisfactory
>> results?
>
> Hi David,
>
> I've never done this, but reading from what others have done, I 
> suspect that latency may be as important as speed, especially if you 
> want to do CW contesting or break a DX pileup.
>
> 73, Jim K9YC
>
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From farrerfolks at yahoo.com  Sat Sep  1 18:05:40 2018
From: farrerfolks at yahoo.com (Mel Farrer)
Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2018 22:05:40 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] internet speed for remote K3S
In-Reply-To: <31704ebc-6965-d1f3-310c-8f50c09d5f21@gmail.com>
References: <03f801d4422b$6cb7f890$4627e9b0$@ntlworld.com>
	<75215dee-06fe-a2a6-bc13-3427d5d589aa@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<31704ebc-6965-d1f3-310c-8f50c09d5f21@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1454642515.2019615.1535839540921@mail.yahoo.com>

Agreed, My Hughes net satellite service was a bust for it....
Mel, K6KBE

      From: David F. Reed <w5sv.dave at gmail.com>
 To: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com; elecraft at mailman.qth.net 
 Sent: Saturday, September 1, 2018 2:54 PM
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] internet speed for remote K3S
   
My experience is exactly that; look out for latency; that is the 
killer.? Yes you need a minimal speed that is pretty good, but latency 
is a big issue; for example the satellite based ISPs are useless for 
this; adequate for streaming movies, etc. but latency is way to high...

73 de Dave, W5SV


On 9/1/18 3:30 PM, Jim Brown wrote:
> On 9/1/2018 12:38 PM, David Cutter via Elecraft wrote:
>> Both
>> stations have access to broadband, but what speed will give satisfactory
>> results?
>
> Hi David,
>
> I've never done this, but reading from what others have done, I 
> suspect that latency may be as important as speed, especially if you 
> want to do CW contesting or break a DX pileup.
>
> 73, Jim K9YC
>
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From k6dgw at foothill.net  Sat Sep  1 21:53:59 2018
From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen)
Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2018 18:53:59 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] internet speed for remote K3S
In-Reply-To: <03f801d4422b$6cb7f890$4627e9b0$@ntlworld.com>
References: <03f801d4422b$6cb7f890$4627e9b0$@ntlworld.com>
Message-ID: <9f63f8b4-29df-7755-6fd2-d314e49fcc81@foothill.net>

I run remote to W7RN [near Virginia City NV] from Sparks, NV ... maybe 
50-60 km road miles away.? Trace Route shows that most packets go 
through Sacramento, some through San Francisco, some through Los 
Angeles.? Ping times average about 35-40 ms.? BW required by RemoteRig 
is much lower than I expected, maybe around 30-60 Kbps both ways.? At 40 
ms, the latency is just noticeable if I spin the Big Knob really fast.? 
The RRC 1258 is simplex, no QSK.? These data are for CW, I almost never 
use SSB, and haven't tried RTTY yet.? One of the other users runs FT8 
all the time, very successfully.? We use Teamviewer to view and control 
the station automation, it seems to consume around 300 Kbps under most 
conditions.? The RRC CODEC has a variety of options, some requiring more 
BW than others.

Web cams on the monitor can really increase the BW requirement. They 
usually work in a differential mode, sending only the changes from the 
last frame.? A tree outside the window in a little breeze will make a 
huge number of pixel changes in the shack lighting and the camera really 
sucks up the BW.

Packet-level reliability is far more important than raw speed.? If there 
are other devices on your sub-net with high throughput, or if your WAN 
is unreliable at packet-level, it may be impossible to operate.

73,

Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

On 9/1/2018 12:38 PM, David Cutter via Elecraft wrote:
> I will soon be building a remote control station about 20miles away.  Both
> stations have access to broadband, but what speed will give satisfactory
> results?
> tnx and 73
> David G3UNA
>


From ardrhi at gmail.com  Sat Sep  1 23:00:04 2018
From: ardrhi at gmail.com (Gwen Patton)
Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2018 23:00:04 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Data transmission on 30 meters with PX3 problem
Message-ID: <CA+nQa2O9dO882f9GMmDFiT4BNLaxSFEdAKtuCd3_Jjy7sG4zfg@mail.gmail.com>

This happens very rarely for me EXCEPT for 30 meters. Then it happens so
much, it makes data modes (CW, RTTY, PSK) useless. I'm using a wired USB
keyboard connected to the PX3. If I'm on 30 meters, and I use the ATU to
match the antenna, transmitting any data mode causes extra, spurious
characters to be added onto the end of the keyboard input buffer. In some
circumstances, it starts appending additional messages stored in message
slots mapped to function keys.

Usually it's just a few characters -- a couple of numbers, a few alphas --
that get transmitted at the end of my transmission. In less frequent cases,
the transmission doesn't stop, as new characters are being shoved into the
keyboard buffer faster than they can be transmitted. Pressing backspace to
erase these characters works very seldom, though it can help, marginally.
In very rare cases, it seems scan codes for function keys are getting
shoved into the keyboard buffer, which appends those message slot contents
to the end. I usually wind up hitting ESC to stop the transmission, because
it's running wild.

RF power isn't a determinant. I can run power down to less than a watt and
it still happens. I tried wrapping a big ferrite toroid (T200-2) with the
keyboard cable just before the PX3 keyboard port, but it doesn't appear to
help.

I've searched for solutions online and in both the PX3 and KX3 manuals. The
antenna is a half-length "W3EDP Jr."  end-fed antenna with an LDG RU-4:1
unun, run from my front porch to a tree, about 15' up at the porch end, and
about 25' up at the far end.

This is the antenna I'm using:
https://thewakesileave.wordpress.com/2016/08/15/a-42-portable-multiband-hf-antenna-with-no-wire-on-the-ground-the-w3edp-jr/

Has anyone else had this problem, or can you suggest something I might set
differently in a menu option? I've gone through about everything I can
think of, including changing the position of the coax, the aforementioned
choke on the keyboard cable, et. al., but can't figure out what's causing
this. It acts like RF getting into the keyboard. I'll try a different
keyboard while I wait for any suggestions, but other than that, I'm stuck.
Being a member of 30MDG, I'd sort of like to be able to operate on 30!

73,
Gwen NG3P

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From garyk9gs at wi.rr.com  Sat Sep  1 23:07:44 2018
From: garyk9gs at wi.rr.com (GaryK9GS)
Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2018 22:07:44 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Data transmission on 30 meters with PX3 problem
In-Reply-To: <CA+nQa2O9dO882f9GMmDFiT4BNLaxSFEdAKtuCd3_Jjy7sG4zfg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <mailman.8.1535857677.3074.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>

Hi Gwen,
Still sounds like RF getting in somewhere.? That kind of antenna is guaranteed to bring common mode current into the shack.
If you have a dummy load I would connect it directly to the output of the radio and see if the problem still occurs.


73,
Gary K9GS
-------- Original message --------From: Gwen Patton <ardrhi at gmail.com> Date: 9/1/18  10:00 PM  (GMT-06:00) To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] Data transmission on 30 meters with PX3 problem 
This happens very rarely for me EXCEPT for 30 meters. Then it happens so
much, it makes data modes (CW, RTTY, PSK) useless. I'm using a wired USB
keyboard connected to the PX3. If I'm on 30 meters, and I use the ATU to
match the antenna, transmitting any data mode causes extra, spurious
characters to be added onto the end of the keyboard input buffer. In some
circumstances, it starts appending additional messages stored in message
slots mapped to function keys.

Usually it's just a few characters -- a couple of numbers, a few alphas --
that get transmitted at the end of my transmission. In less frequent cases,
the transmission doesn't stop, as new characters are being shoved into the
keyboard buffer faster than they can be transmitted. Pressing backspace to
erase these characters works very seldom, though it can help, marginally.
In very rare cases, it seems scan codes for function keys are getting
shoved into the keyboard buffer, which appends those message slot contents
to the end. I usually wind up hitting ESC to stop the transmission, because
it's running wild.

RF power isn't a determinant. I can run power down to less than a watt and
it still happens. I tried wrapping a big ferrite toroid (T200-2) with the
keyboard cable just before the PX3 keyboard port, but it doesn't appear to
help.

I've searched for solutions online and in both the PX3 and KX3 manuals. The
antenna is a half-length "W3EDP Jr."? end-fed antenna with an LDG RU-4:1
unun, run from my front porch to a tree, about 15' up at the porch end, and
about 25' up at the far end.

This is the antenna I'm using:
https://thewakesileave.wordpress.com/2016/08/15/a-42-portable-multiband-hf-antenna-with-no-wire-on-the-ground-the-w3edp-jr/

Has anyone else had this problem, or can you suggest something I might set
differently in a menu option? I've gone through about everything I can
think of, including changing the position of the coax, the aforementioned
choke on the keyboard cable, et. al., but can't figure out what's causing
this. It acts like RF getting into the keyboard. I'll try a different
keyboard while I wait for any suggestions, but other than that, I'm stuck.
Being a member of 30MDG, I'd sort of like to be able to operate on 30!

73,
Gwen NG3P

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From kevinr at coho.net  Sat Sep  1 23:54:33 2018
From: kevinr at coho.net (kevinr)
Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2018 20:54:33 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Announcement
Message-ID: <94065eee-f6b0-a659-5309-88f7fffb6d35@coho.net>

Good evening,

 ??? A cool week with winds from the Pacific have cleaned the air.? The 
sun is yellow again and the air doesn't taste bad.? I did have to yell 
at a doe who thought my rhododendrons were food. She'd never heard me 
raise my voice before gave me a guilty look and left. The bees seem to 
have disappeared.? Weeks of smokey weather finally drove them off.? The 
lavender is still blooming with no one around to pollinate them.

 ?? The sun is quiet.? Folks are predicting a colder winter because of 
it.? Then in the next paragraph write about the Carrington event.? 
Luckily the snow will put out any residual fires.? And the sun is active 
enough to support HF.? Now to get more wood before the snow gets too deep.

Please join us tomorrow on:

14050 kHz at 2200z Sunday (3 PM PDT Sunday)
 ? 7045 kHz at 0000z Monday (5 PM PDT Sunday)

73,
Kevin. KD5ONS

_


From tsalmon534 at gmail.com  Sun Sep  2 07:30:01 2018
From: tsalmon534 at gmail.com (Ted Salmon)
Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2018 04:30:01 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 encoder installation 2018
Message-ID: <1535887801835-0.post@n2.nabble.com>

The encoder plus attached PC board is attached to the Front Panel with a lock
washer and 1/2" hex nut on the encoder shaft. The diameter of the hole on my
Front Panel was 10 mm as measured with my calipers. The diameter of the
threaded mount on the encoder is ~ 9 mm while the diameter of the ring at
the base of the threaded mount is ~ 10 mm. How is the encoder correctly
mounted by hardware to the inside face of the Front Panel? 

I tried 3 methods without success. 

1) First was to just add the washer and nut to the shaft and try and tighten
it down with a wrench, but the encoder kept tilting. 

2) So, I thought perhaps the inner diameter of the hole in the Front Panel
was too narrow because of paint thickness.  I scrapped off the paint from
the inside of the hole and a bit of aluminum, then the 10 mm ring at the
base of the encoder shaft fit in the hole nicely. I could then barely
tighten down the shaft with the nut and washer because this ring at the base
of the encoder is slightly thicker than the thickness of the front pannel.
When I put on the large knob, 2 felt washers were not thick enough to
provide resistance to knob turning, so I thought I made a mistake in
enlarging the hole. However, the position of the PC board on the back of the
encoder was close enough to the Front Panel to allow the attachment of the
Control board to the 1/2' posts attached to the back of the Front Panel
Board. 

3) To solve the felt thickness problem, I put a very thin (0.2-0.3 mm)
washer, ~9mm ID, on the threaded shaft of the encoder before inserting it
into the hole in the Front Panel to stabilize the tilting problem. I
attached the washer and nut to the threaded shaft and now the double felt
washers work as described to provide friction against the inner surface of
the large knob.  However, now the PC board on the back of the encoder
extends too far away from the the back of the Front Panel Board to allow
attachment of the Control Board to the two posts.  

So, how to solve this problem? 

Thanks, Ted Salmon WD4CAV



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From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Sun Sep  2 08:42:00 2018
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2018 08:42:00 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 encoder installation 2018
In-Reply-To: <1535887801835-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1535887801835-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <9a21c6de-d9be-44a5-ecd2-148f3bc67e5c@embarqmail.com>

Ted,

I am afraid you have ruined the front panel metalwork.
The best solution is to purchase new Front Panel metalwork.  Enlarge the 
hole for the threaded part of the encoder just a bit.  I use a thin 
knife blade and 3 or 4 passes with it inside the encoder hole will do 
the job nicely.

The other way (not as nice) is to take the encoder to a nearby hardware 
store and find a washer that has a hole large enough to pass the ring at 
the base of the threaded portion of the shaft, and use that as a spacer 
behind the front panel metal.

In either case, you will have to tighten the lockwasher and nut enough 
so the encoder will not twist on the front panel.

You must have 3 felt washers under the knob.  Two were packed with your 
encoder assembly and a 3rd one was packed with the Front Panel parts bag.

Flush trim (diagonal cutters are not good enough) the leads on both the 
encoder board and also the back of the control board in the area which 
might contact the encoder board.

The two rubber pads must be placed at the top of the front panel board 
(on the solder side).

If the encoder board can still contact the control board, cut a piece of 
card stock (a piece of a QSL card will do) and place it between the 
encoder board and the control panel.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 9/2/2018 7:30 AM, Ted Salmon wrote:
> The encoder plus attached PC board is attached to the Front Panel with a lock
> washer and 1/2" hex nut on the encoder shaft. The diameter of the hole on my
> Front Panel was 10 mm as measured with my calipers. The diameter of the
> threaded mount on the encoder is ~ 9 mm while the diameter of the ring at
> the base of the threaded mount is ~ 10 mm. How is the encoder correctly
> mounted by hardware to the inside face of the Front Panel?
> 
> I tried 3 methods without success.
> 

From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Sun Sep  2 08:56:27 2018
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2018 08:56:27 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Data transmission on 30 meters with PX3 problem
In-Reply-To: <CA+nQa2O9dO882f9GMmDFiT4BNLaxSFEdAKtuCd3_Jjy7sG4zfg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+nQa2O9dO882f9GMmDFiT4BNLaxSFEdAKtuCd3_Jjy7sG4zfg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8c5623bc-d7b6-09de-c95a-c5ac8fdffd21@embarqmail.com>

Gwen,

First of all, a T200-2 is an iron core toroid, not ferrite, and is not 
likely to prevent much RF noise coupling.  Any ferrite core will have an 
FTxxx diameter designation with two digits after the hyphen.

That W3EDP antenna is a strong suspect, as is any off-center fed antenna 
or end fed antenna.  They can produce large amounts of RF in the shack.
Install a GOOD current mode choke near the antenna feedpoint.  One of 
the best is a stack of 4 or 5 FT240-31 with the coax wound for 4 or 5 
turns through the center.  That should be placed close to the antenna 
end of the coax - exception, an end-fed antenna may need to use a part 
of the coax as a counterpoise (which is why a minimum length of coax is 
specified for them) - put the choke that minimum length away from the 
antenna.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 9/1/2018 11:00 PM, Gwen Patton wrote:
> This happens very rarely for me EXCEPT for 30 meters. Then it happens so
> much, it makes data modes (CW, RTTY, PSK) useless. I'm using a wired USB
> keyboard connected to the PX3. If I'm on 30 meters, and I use the ATU to
> match the antenna, transmitting any data mode causes extra, spurious
> characters to be added onto the end of the keyboard input buffer. In some
> circumstances, it starts appending additional messages stored in message
> slots mapped to function keys.
> 

From w9ac at arrl.net  Sun Sep  2 09:00:54 2018
From: w9ac at arrl.net (Paul Christensen)
Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2018 09:00:54 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] internet speed for remote K3S
Message-ID: <002301d442bc$fc42fb40$f4c8f1c0$@arrl.net>

>"My experience is exactly that; look out for latency; that is the killer."

Apart from use with satellite-based services (e.g., Hughes, maritime VSAT,
etc.), I've found latency is reasonably low even from hotel and 4G
connections.  Jitter will almost always be the dominating factor, especially
when using a remote CW connection.   I won't even try satellite remoting;
it's a horrible experience.  From home or when roaming on my iPhone 's WiFi
hotspot connection, my QSK CW experience is almost as good as a local
connection.  The remote site is on Verizon 4G/LTE service with a 30 GB/month
plan.  

I use PingPlotter software that shows typical ping time under 50 ms. from
home to my remote site about 30 miles away.  The longest measured latency is
the link between the Verizon cell site and the 4G router at the shack.  That
comprises about 50% of the total latency.  In between, the service changes
hands among several internet transport providers.  I just ran a quick test
and see 12 hops before it gets to the destination.  The path changes from
day-to-day.

Back to the OP's question of "what speed will give satisfactory results?"
Assuming a K3 with RemoteRig, look at the RemoteRig manual, Appendix A for a
table that illustrates data consumption as a function of bit rate and
whether dual-channel audio is engaged.  For example, 12-bit linear, 2
channel audio (for dual receive) requires 240 kbps.  That's not much data.
Of course, there's going to be other overhead when running applications on
the same link.  Any of the high speed "light" packages will work fine with
the RemoteRig unless using high bit-rate settings.  I've noticed no
operating issues when using an account with 1.5 Mbps download and 500 kbps
upload speeds and when either VNC or TeamViewer is running in the
background.  My iPhone's WiFi hotspot typically gives 10/5 Mbps service as
long as there's ample 4G/LTE signal strength.

Paul, W9AC

    


From john at kn5l.net  Sun Sep  2 10:19:24 2018
From: john at kn5l.net (John Oppenheimer)
Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2018 09:19:24 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Data transmission on 30 meters with PX3 problem
In-Reply-To: <8c5623bc-d7b6-09de-c95a-c5ac8fdffd21@embarqmail.com>
References: <CA+nQa2O9dO882f9GMmDFiT4BNLaxSFEdAKtuCd3_Jjy7sG4zfg@mail.gmail.com>
	<8c5623bc-d7b6-09de-c95a-c5ac8fdffd21@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <64a631e3-febc-49a9-c882-2d004f4bb22d@kn5l.net>

On 09/02/2018 07:56 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
> That W3EDP antenna is a strong suspect, as is any off-center fed antenna 
> or end fed antenna.  They can produce large amounts of RF in the shack.

Hi Gwen,

Don is correct. The W3EDP with a large choke Balun, as pictured, between
the Unun and KX3 is an OCF Doublet with a resonant frequency of 11 MHz.
It is rather difficult, if not impossible, to isolate a dipole end
impedance using a choke Balun. The KX3, being at the high impedance
point on 30 meters, will experience a rather high RF voltage.

A way to determine if the rig is part of the antenna is to use what I
call a "touch test." Observe SWR while transmitting, if touching the KX3
antenna BNC jack causes the SWR to change, then the KX3 is part of the
antenna. At the extreme, the touch results with a RF burn. I have
experience RF burn at 15 watts.

John KN5L

From dean.k2ww at gmail.com  Sun Sep  2 10:29:35 2018
From: dean.k2ww at gmail.com (Dean L)
Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2018 10:29:35 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] internet speed for remote K3S
In-Reply-To: <03f801d4422b$6cb7f890$4627e9b0$@ntlworld.com>
References: <03f801d4422b$6cb7f890$4627e9b0$@ntlworld.com>
Message-ID: <CAHh=7i=Yg9u-tF5ezDXi22Y9NWQz+eXiicsqBT1Sx4uYSKRNGw@mail.gmail.com>

Not trying to hijack thread only broaden it...

Has anyone used a cell modem on one side with modest BW, to use K3/0?
73
Dean K2WW
.

On Sep 1, 2018 15:39, "David Cutter via Elecraft" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
wrote:

I will soon be building a remote control station about 20miles away.  Both
stations have access to broadband, but what speed will give satisfactory
results?
tnx and 73
David G3UNA

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From bemeier at bellsouth.net  Sun Sep  2 10:39:37 2018
From: bemeier at bellsouth.net (Bruce Meier)
Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2018 10:39:37 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 KIO3 board needed
Message-ID: <000601d442ca$c729a810$557cf830$@bellsouth.net>

Does anyone happen to have the K3 model KIO3 circuit card that is excess to
their needs?   If you have upgraded to the new K3S KIO3B you may have one.
It seems that the RS232 control on one of my K3 XCVRs has bit the dust.   I
checked with Elecraft and they no longer have any of the old style.  That
leaves me with a mandatory upgrade (expensive if I don't need it) or send
the K3 back to Elecraft for a repair.  It seems a bit excessive to send it
back for such a simple problem.

 

I am now off to the schematics to see what chip is probably blown - but I am
NOT a surface mount person so that may be just a fun exercise in schematic
reading.

 

Thanks for your help!!

 

73,

Bruce N1LN


From dm4im at t-online.de  Sun Sep  2 10:39:45 2018
From: dm4im at t-online.de (Martin)
Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2018 16:39:45 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] Data transmission on 30 meters with PX3 problem
Message-ID: <2c5f55e9-486e-bb01-aa7a-3e01a5051c83@t-online.de>

You might want to add a common mode choke.
Look here :

http://www.dg0sa.de/balun1zu4kleinptfe.pdf

It is in german, but the pictures show how easy it is to do. First, the 
choke is shown.
The second core is the 4:1 transformer which you already have.
FT 140-43 cores will do. For higher power, use FT 240-43.
Connect : TRX->choke->Transformer->antenna.


-- 

73, Martin

Ohne CW ist es nur CB...

From K4PI at Bellsouth.net  Sun Sep  2 10:53:07 2018
From: K4PI at Bellsouth.net (Mike Greenway K4PI)
Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2018 10:53:07 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Price Ideas
Message-ID: <0e03f707-a38d-9d46-ce91-fb5d8e433176@Bellsouth.net>

I have a K3 I am planning on selling to a local here but want to get 
some input as to a fair price.? I have looked at many ads for used gear 
but with the many variation of the K3 it is hard to come up with a 
price.? I have a K3 SN 5895 that was factory assembled with the KAT3, 
KIO3, and KSYN3A synthesizer.? It is very clean.? No filters other than 
the standard SSB filter.? I would appreciate any input which you can 
email direct to me if you prefer. K4PI at Comcast.net

From gibson at alma.edu  Sun Sep  2 11:02:22 2018
From: gibson at alma.edu (John Gibson)
Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2018 15:02:22 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 KIO3 board needed
In-Reply-To: <000601d442ca$c729a810$557cf830$@bellsouth.net>
References: <000601d442ca$c729a810$557cf830$@bellsouth.net>
Message-ID: <DM6PR06MB402678480123CAB03957D106BF0D0@DM6PR06MB4026.namprd06.prod.outlook.com>

Bruce,

I have a KIO3 board that I bought new and never installed (my K3 has a KIO3B board installed).

73,

John, no8v

________________________________________
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> on behalf of Bruce Meier <bemeier at bellsouth.net>
Sent: Sunday, September 2, 2018 10:39:37 AM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 KIO3 board needed

Does anyone happen to have the K3 model KIO3 circuit card that is excess to
their needs?   If you have upgraded to the new K3S KIO3B you may have one.
It seems that the RS232 control on one of my K3 XCVRs has bit the dust.   I
checked with Elecraft and they no longer have any of the old style.  That
leaves me with a mandatory upgrade (expensive if I don't need it) or send
the K3 back to Elecraft for a repair.  It seems a bit excessive to send it
back for such a simple problem.



I am now off to the schematics to see what chip is probably blown - but I am
NOT a surface mount person so that may be just a fun exercise in schematic
reading.



Thanks for your help!!



73,

Bruce N1LN

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From k6ll.dave at gmail.com  Sun Sep  2 11:04:47 2018
From: k6ll.dave at gmail.com (Dave Hachadorian)
Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2018 08:04:47 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Price Ideas
In-Reply-To: <0e03f707-a38d-9d46-ce91-fb5d8e433176@Bellsouth.net>
References: <0e03f707-a38d-9d46-ce91-fb5d8e433176@Bellsouth.net>
Message-ID: <56CBBD87BAFB42CA8ABAE76A9091362F@Toshiba>

If I were to sell my rigs, I think I would go back and look at some previous successful sales, and figure out the range of percentages of the new price that they were asking.  Then I would calculate the new price of my rigs and apply a percentage somewhere in that historical range.

Dave Hachadorian, K6LL
Yuma, AZ



-----Original Message----- 
From: Mike Greenway K4PI 
Sent: Sunday, September 2, 2018 7:53 AM 
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net 
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Price Ideas 

I have a K3 I am planning on selling to a local here but want to get 
some input as to a fair price.  I have looked at many ads for used gear 
but with the many variation of the K3 it is hard to come up with a 
price.  I have a K3 SN 5895 that was factory assembled with the KAT3, 
KIO3, and KSYN3A synthesizer.  It is very clean.  No filters other than 
the standard SSB filter.  I would appreciate any input which you can 
email direct to me if you prefer. K4PI at Comcast.net
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From dj0qn at gmx.de  Sun Sep  2 11:25:16 2018
From: dj0qn at gmx.de (Mitch Wolfson DJ0QN / K7DX)
Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2018 17:25:16 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] Looking for a PR6-10
Message-ID: <e114c237-81b1-900d-844e-62ab8a439b2e@gmx.de>

If anyone has a PR6-10 (not PR6) preamp that you no longer need, please 
send me an offer via direct mail. If you upgraded to a KXV3B and had one 
before, then you no longer need it.

This can be shipped to an address within the U.S. or Europe.

Thanks & 73,
Mitch DJ0QN / K7DX

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From k9jri at mac.com  Sun Sep  2 11:27:47 2018
From: k9jri at mac.com (Michael Blake)
Date: Sun, 02 Sep 2018 11:27:47 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 Key Line Interrupt when in BYP mode?
Message-ID: <B01DAFAC-C99E-4672-AA23-C42A583D76D2@mac.com>

When the KAT500 is powered on but in the Bypass mode will it still open the key line to the KPA500 at the preset level (3.0:1 in my case) if the load suddenly goes above 3:1?

The situation is a remote autotuner connected to a 33? vertical that I use for bands that I do not have a resonant antenna.  On those bands the KAT500 is in the BYP mode.  A remote switch brings all of the antenna choices in on a single coax which connected to the KAT500.

73 - Mike - K9JRI








From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Sun Sep  2 12:39:25 2018
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2018 12:39:25 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Price Ideas
In-Reply-To: <0e03f707-a38d-9d46-ce91-fb5d8e433176@Bellsouth.net>
References: <0e03f707-a38d-9d46-ce91-fb5d8e433176@Bellsouth.net>
Message-ID: <80e5a2dd-a520-1dca-23a2-66ca8f7b2015@embarqmail.com>

As a general rule, I do not pay more that 2/3 of the new price for any 
ham gear - that is just my personal clip-point, yours and others may 
vary.  So figure what you paid for the K3 and whatever options/upgrades 
you bought and go from there.

If you are willing to offer the buyer a short term money back guarantee, 
that will give you a leg-up on a higher price.  Consider that the buyer 
will be buying it as an unknown and may want to send it in for a general 
checkup and any possible upgrades, so that will affect your asking price 
by about $250.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 9/2/2018 10:53 AM, Mike Greenway K4PI wrote:
> I have a K3 I am planning on selling to a local here but want to get 
> some input as to a fair price.? I have looked at many ads for used gear 
> but with the many variation of the K3 it is hard to come up with a 
> price.? I have a K3 SN 5895 that was factory assembled with the KAT3, 
> KIO3, and KSYN3A synthesizer.? It is very clean.? No filters other than 
> the standard SSB filter.? I would appreciate any input which you can 
> email direct to me if you prefer. K4PI at Comcast.net

From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Sun Sep  2 12:39:29 2018
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2018 09:39:29 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Data transmission on 30 meters with PX3 problem
In-Reply-To: <2c5f55e9-486e-bb01-aa7a-3e01a5051c83@t-online.de>
References: <2c5f55e9-486e-bb01-aa7a-3e01a5051c83@t-online.de>
Message-ID: <6e2d864c-c332-a947-34d1-01800d82b227@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On 9/2/2018 7:39 AM, Martin wrote:
> FT 140-43 cores will do. For higher power, use FT 240-43.

#43 material is only good above about 10 MHz.

73, Jim K9YC


From bbaines at mac.com  Sun Sep  2 13:01:42 2018
From: bbaines at mac.com (Barry Baines)
Date: Sun, 02 Sep 2018 13:01:42 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 Key Line Interrupt when in BYP mode?
In-Reply-To: <B01DAFAC-C99E-4672-AA23-C42A583D76D2@mac.com>
References: <B01DAFAC-C99E-4672-AA23-C42A583D76D2@mac.com>
Message-ID: <772B6A7C-73B6-4326-91F0-9B50DDAFC856@mac.com>

Mike:

> On Sep 2, 2018, at 11:27 AM, Michael Blake via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
> 
> When the KAT500 is powered on but in the Bypass mode will it still open the key line to the KPA500 at the preset level (3.0:1 in my case) if the load suddenly goes above 3:1?

To confirm, is your SWR 3.0:1 or 2.0:1??

According to the KAT500 manual (page 21) you can use the KAT500 Utility Program to set VSWR thresholds for keying an amplifier, ?Also, you can set an SWR threshold at which the key line will not close to enable the external amplifier to protect it from excessive SWR.?  These thresholds can be set for all bands or individual bands.  This would presumably work with bypass mode as bypass is defined as bypassing the tuning elements in the tuner?s matching network while the tuner?s SWR meter continues to function and the antenna selector will still switch to the antenna chosen for a particular band.  

I haven?t made adjustments using the Utility Program so I cannot speak from personal experience nor do I know what the default values are for VSWR threshold as I?m not currently where my ham station is to confirm.  You will need to experiment carefully to ensure that you get the intended results.

Also keep in mind that the KPA500 protects itself.  See page 19 of the KPA500 manual (?Fault Conditions?) which discusses SWR measurements by the KPA500 itself where ?minor faults? in VSWR will result in a 3 dB reduction in output (?Attenuator Faults?) and continues to operate (if the SWR improves the attenuator is removed).  In the case of severe SWR problems the amplifier goes into standby (?Hard Faults?). Hard faults require intervention by the operator to place the amplifier in ?operate? presuming that the cause of the excessive SWR has been resolved.

The more basic question is what SWR levels the KPA500 will operate. According to the KPA500 manual (page 17) the amplifier is designed for 1.5:1 or less (the amplifier SWR LEDs are green).  Between 1.5 and 2.1 the LEDs are yellow, and above 2.1 the LEDs are red.  I could not find a reference in the manual that defines at what SWR level an ?attenuator fault? or a ?hard fault? due to high SWR are generated, but this suggests that an attenuator fault presumably happens when SWR is above 2.1 which is why I?m wondering if there?s a typo in your first sentence regarding current SWR.

The KAT500 manual (page 21) also notes, ?The Elecraft KPA500 amplifier also works efficiently into a load SWR of 1.5:1.  Suggested values are 1.8:1 to launch an automatic tuning operation and 1.2:1 for bypass.?   


Hope this helps,

Barry Baines, WD4ASW
(Currently in Boston, MA)

> 
> The situation is a remote autotuner connected to a 33? vertical that I use for bands that I do not have a resonant antenna.  On those bands the KAT500 is in the BYP mode.  A remote switch brings all of the antenna choices in on a single coax which connected to the KAT500.
> 
> 73 - Mike - K9JRI
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From k6ufo at arrl.net  Sun Sep  2 13:01:44 2018
From: k6ufo at arrl.net (K6UFO Mark Aaker)
Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2018 17:01:44 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] internet speed for remote K3S
In-Reply-To: <1873334198.164095.1535907553553@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1873334198.164095.1535907553553.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<1873334198.164095.1535907553553@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1262901575.164104.1535907704053@mail.yahoo.com>

Dean, 

The use of a cell modem service on the radio/station 

end is a big problem, if you run any software or devices 

that require a public-routable ip address or port forwarding 

on the router. See for example: 

http://www.remoterig.com/forum/index.php?topic=2768.0 

Search for terms like double-NAT 

The cell service is very unlikely to provide this. 

There are complicated work-arounds if you have the 

internet networking savvy to setup VPNs and such. 

If you engage in discussions with the service provider, 

there may be an upgraded "business class" service package 

that provides the ip addresse and router function that will 

make your life easier. 


K6UFO Mark 

k6ufo at arrl.net 


> Has anyone used a cell modem on one side with modest BW, to use K3/0? 
> 73 
> Dean K2WW 

From k6dgw at foothill.net  Sun Sep  2 13:13:54 2018
From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen)
Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2018 10:13:54 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] internet speed for remote K3S
In-Reply-To: <CAHh=7i=Yg9u-tF5ezDXi22Y9NWQz+eXiicsqBT1Sx4uYSKRNGw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <03f801d4422b$6cb7f890$4627e9b0$@ntlworld.com>
	<CAHh=7i=Yg9u-tF5ezDXi22Y9NWQz+eXiicsqBT1Sx4uYSKRNGw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <da201a79-d929-655d-a7d5-d099560df8ec@foothill.net>

It's a "sometimes" sort of thing with my Verizon 4G android.? Packet 
routing on the cellular network seems to be highly variable in real time 
... in the three times I've tried it, it worked sort of OK once, not so 
good the other two. Beware, remote operation can eat up a data 
allocation faster than a teenager on Instagram.

73,

Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

On 9/2/2018 7:29 AM, Dean L wrote:
> Not trying to hijack thread only broaden it...
>
> Has anyone used a cell modem on one side with modest BW, to use K3/0?
> 73
> Dean K2WW
>


From k9jri at mac.com  Sun Sep  2 13:27:52 2018
From: k9jri at mac.com (Michael Blake)
Date: Sun, 02 Sep 2018 13:27:52 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 Key Line Interrupt when in BYP mode?
In-Reply-To: <772B6A7C-73B6-4326-91F0-9B50DDAFC856@mac.com>
References: <B01DAFAC-C99E-4672-AA23-C42A583D76D2@mac.com>
	<772B6A7C-73B6-4326-91F0-9B50DDAFC856@mac.com>
Message-ID: <5A8B1B1F-6B1E-4DA9-9253-954245119E91@mac.com>

Dick from Elecraft answered my question.  The short answer to my question was ?no?.

To answer your question, yes the key line interrupt is set for 3.0:1 as it should be. 

Mike - K9JRI

> On Sep 2, 2018, at 13:01, Barry Baines <bbaines at mac.com> wrote:
> 
> Mike:
> 
>> On Sep 2, 2018, at 11:27 AM, Michael Blake via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
>> 
>> When the KAT500 is powered on but in the Bypass mode will it still open the key line to the KPA500 at the preset level (3.0:1 in my case) if the load suddenly goes above 3:1?
> 
> To confirm, is your SWR 3.0:1 or 2.0:1??
> 
> According to the KAT500 manual (page 21) you can use the KAT500 Utility Program to set VSWR thresholds for keying an amplifier, ?Also, you can set an SWR threshold at which the key line will not close to enable the external amplifier to protect it from excessive SWR.?  These thresholds can be set for all bands or individual bands.  This would presumably work with bypass mode as bypass is defined as bypassing the tuning elements in the tuner?s matching network while the tuner?s SWR meter continues to function and the antenna selector will still switch to the antenna chosen for a particular band.  
> 
> I haven?t made adjustments using the Utility Program so I cannot speak from personal experience nor do I know what the default values are for VSWR threshold as I?m not currently where my ham station is to confirm.  You will need to experiment carefully to ensure that you get the intended results.
> 
> Also keep in mind that the KPA500 protects itself.  See page 19 of the KPA500 manual (?Fault Conditions?) which discusses SWR measurements by the KPA500 itself where ?minor faults? in VSWR will result in a 3 dB reduction in output (?Attenuator Faults?) and continues to operate (if the SWR improves the attenuator is removed).  In the case of severe SWR problems the amplifier goes into standby (?Hard Faults?). Hard faults require intervention by the operator to place the amplifier in ?operate? presuming that the cause of the excessive SWR has been resolved.
> 
> The more basic question is what SWR levels the KPA500 will operate. According to the KPA500 manual (page 17) the amplifier is designed for 1.5:1 or less (the amplifier SWR LEDs are green).  Between 1.5 and 2.1 the LEDs are yellow, and above 2.1 the LEDs are red.  I could not find a reference in the manual that defines at what SWR level an ?attenuator fault? or a ?hard fault? due to high SWR are generated, but this suggests that an attenuator fault presumably happens when SWR is above 2.1 which is why I?m wondering if there?s a typo in your first sentence regarding current SWR.
> 
> The KAT500 manual (page 21) also notes, ?The Elecraft KPA500 amplifier also works efficiently into a load SWR of 1.5:1.  Suggested values are 1.8:1 to launch an automatic tuning operation and 1.2:1 for bypass.?   
> 
> 
> Hope this helps,
> 
> Barry Baines, WD4ASW
> (Currently in Boston, MA)
> 
>> 
>> The situation is a remote autotuner connected to a 33? vertical that I use for bands that I do not have a resonant antenna.  On those bands the KAT500 is in the BYP mode.  A remote switch brings all of the antenna choices in on a single coax which connected to the KAT500.
>> 
>> 73 - Mike - K9JRI
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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From alsopb at comcast.net  Sun Sep  2 13:38:46 2018
From: alsopb at comcast.net (brian)
Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2018 17:38:46 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] FS: K3 with most "S" upgrades
Message-ID: <5B8C2026.3060907@comcast.net>

S/N 8XXX
K3/100
KAT3A
KRX3 SUBRX
TCXO
KDVR
KBPF3
2.7 filter in main and sub
400 Hz in main and sub
subrx IF tap for SDR panadapter

S upgrades
KSYN3A in main and sub
KXV3B
KIO3B
KBPF3 upgraded to A for Low Freq receive - tunes down to 100 KHz

Recently back from Elecraft for upgrade and checkout.

Can no longer maintain station.

$3600 shipped & insured to US.  Bank check only.

Brian/K3KO

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From netbsd21 at gmail.com  Sun Sep  2 14:36:53 2018
From: netbsd21 at gmail.com (Scott)
Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2018 13:36:53 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 encoder installation 2018
In-Reply-To: <1535887801835-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1535887801835-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <aa98a8f6-52c2-5974-fdce-58c1754036cc@gmail.com>

Ted,

1.  The nut and washer go on the "outside", that is, the front facing 
side of the front panel behind the main VFO knob.  The encoder shaft has 
to be fully seated on the inside of the front panel with the encoder 
shaft extending a good distance out, then tighten the nut and washer on 
the outside of the front panel.  To my knowledge there should be nothing 
on the encoder shaft on the inside of the front panel.  My encoder shaft 
appeared to be too large for the hole, and I was about to "clean" the 
hole when I gave it one last push and it popped in.  Very tight fit but 
the encoder shaft base was flush on the inside of the front panel. 
After the lock washer, nut, 3 felt washers and the Main VFO knob were 
installed on the shaft, the backside of the main VFO knob was parallel 
to the front panel with nice friction.

2.  My kit came with 3 felt washers and I had to use all three to get 
the right friction that is close to that of my K3.  Look in one of the 
other envelopes there should be another felt washer.  IIRC, it was in 
one of the misc envelopes and not in the Main VFO board assembly bag 
with the other two washers.

3.  My Main VFO board assembly bag came with a 4 pin male header that 
actually fit the holes in BOTH the encoder PCB and the Front Panel 
Board.  If that male header is installed you may have found the problem 
as the directions for installation say to use stripped wire.  I asked 
Don about the extra 4 pin male header in my bag and he said follow the 
wire directions.

4.  The bottom side of the encoder PCB will have to have ALL the joints 
cut as flush as possible because when the Control Board is installed, 
there is very very little room between the two PCBs.  The Main VFO board 
assembly instructions say you can you use thin paper as an insulator 
between the two boards.

That's about all I know.  If I have any of that wrong I'm sure Don will 
chime in soon and correct me.

I'm still working on K2 #7815, just a bit further along than you.  Good 
Luck.

Scott
AD5HS

On 9/2/2018 6:30 AM, Ted Salmon wrote:
> The encoder plus attached PC board is attached to the Front Panel with a lock
> washer and 1/2" hex nut on the encoder shaft. The diameter of the hole on my
> Front Panel was 10 mm as measured with my calipers. The diameter of the
> threaded mount on the encoder is ~ 9 mm while the diameter of the ring at
> the base of the threaded mount is ~ 10 mm. How is the encoder correctly
> mounted by hardware to the inside face of the Front Panel?
> 
> I tried 3 methods without success.
> 
> 1) First was to just add the washer and nut to the shaft and try and tighten
> it down with a wrench, but the encoder kept tilting.
> 
> 2) So, I thought perhaps the inner diameter of the hole in the Front Panel
> was too narrow because of paint thickness.  I scrapped off the paint from
> the inside of the hole and a bit of aluminum, then the 10 mm ring at the
> base of the encoder shaft fit in the hole nicely. I could then barely
> tighten down the shaft with the nut and washer because this ring at the base
> of the encoder is slightly thicker than the thickness of the front pannel.
> When I put on the large knob, 2 felt washers were not thick enough to
> provide resistance to knob turning, so I thought I made a mistake in
> enlarging the hole. However, the position of the PC board on the back of the
> encoder was close enough to the Front Panel to allow the attachment of the
> Control board to the 1/2' posts attached to the back of the Front Panel
> Board.
> 
> 3) To solve the felt thickness problem, I put a very thin (0.2-0.3 mm)
> washer, ~9mm ID, on the threaded shaft of the encoder before inserting it
> into the hole in the Front Panel to stabilize the tilting problem. I
> attached the washer and nut to the threaded shaft and now the double felt
> washers work as described to provide friction against the inner surface of
> the large knob.  However, now the PC board on the back of the encoder
> extends too far away from the the back of the Front Panel Board to allow
> attachment of the Control Board to the two posts.
> 
> So, how to solve this problem?
> 
> Thanks, Ted Salmon WD4CAV

From netbsd21 at gmail.com  Sun Sep  2 14:56:14 2018
From: netbsd21 at gmail.com (Scott)
Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2018 13:56:14 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 encoder installation 2018
In-Reply-To: <1535887801835-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1535887801835-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <c637131e-9de4-c863-9292-1f81de238800@gmail.com>

Looks like I missed Don's earlier response.  Sorry for taking up the 
bandwidth.

Scott
AD5HS

On 9/2/2018 6:30 AM, Ted Salmon wrote:
> The encoder plus attached PC board is attached to the Front Panel with a lock
> washer and 1/2" hex nut on the encoder shaft. The diameter of the hole on my
> Front Panel was 10 mm as measured with my calipers. The diameter of the
> threaded mount on the encoder is ~ 9 mm while the diameter of the ring at
> the base of the threaded mount is ~ 10 mm. How is the encoder correctly
> mounted by hardware to the inside face of the Front Panel?
> 
> I tried 3 methods without success.
<snip>

From bbaines at mac.com  Sun Sep  2 14:56:20 2018
From: bbaines at mac.com (Barry Baines)
Date: Sun, 02 Sep 2018 14:56:20 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 Key Line Interrupt when in BYP mode?
In-Reply-To: <5A8B1B1F-6B1E-4DA9-9253-954245119E91@mac.com>
References: <B01DAFAC-C99E-4672-AA23-C42A583D76D2@mac.com>
	<772B6A7C-73B6-4326-91F0-9B50DDAFC856@mac.com>
	<5A8B1B1F-6B1E-4DA9-9253-954245119E91@mac.com>
Message-ID: <9D055E79-8D61-46B8-AEBB-325E34DED17C@mac.com>

Mike:

> On Sep 2, 2018, at 1:27 PM, Michael Blake <k9jri at mac.com> wrote:
> 
> Dick from Elecraft answered my question.  The short answer to my question was ?no?.
> 
> To answer your question, yes the key line interrupt is set for 3.0:1 as it should be. 


Thanks for the update and glad to hear that your question was answered.

That said, my reply was only based upon reading the KAT500 and KPA500 manuals.  So I?m wondering how my attempt to be helpful resulted in a ?misinterpretation? of what are in the manuals.  Does the VSWR threshold not work in Bypass mode, or is it something else that is in play?

I?m also wondering (perhaps Dick can answer this) at what point(s) the KPA500 ?soft? and ?hard? faults kick-in on VSWR.  If you?re running at 3.0:1 VSWR with no issues, what are the set points for fault detection?

73, 

Barry, WD4ASW


> 
> Mike - K9JRI
> 
>> On Sep 2, 2018, at 13:01, Barry Baines <bbaines at mac.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Mike:
>> 
>>> On Sep 2, 2018, at 11:27 AM, Michael Blake via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> When the KAT500 is powered on but in the Bypass mode will it still open the key line to the KPA500 at the preset level (3.0:1 in my case) if the load suddenly goes above 3:1?
>> 
>> To confirm, is your SWR 3.0:1 or 2.0:1??
>> 
>> According to the KAT500 manual (page 21) you can use the KAT500 Utility Program to set VSWR thresholds for keying an amplifier, ?Also, you can set an SWR threshold at which the key line will not close to enable the external amplifier to protect it from excessive SWR.?  These thresholds can be set for all bands or individual bands.  This would presumably work with bypass mode as bypass is defined as bypassing the tuning elements in the tuner?s matching network while the tuner?s SWR meter continues to function and the antenna selector will still switch to the antenna chosen for a particular band.  
>> 
>> I haven?t made adjustments using the Utility Program so I cannot speak from personal experience nor do I know what the default values are for VSWR threshold as I?m not currently where my ham station is to confirm.  You will need to experiment carefully to ensure that you get the intended results.
>> 
>> Also keep in mind that the KPA500 protects itself.  See page 19 of the KPA500 manual (?Fault Conditions?) which discusses SWR measurements by the KPA500 itself where ?minor faults? in VSWR will result in a 3 dB reduction in output (?Attenuator Faults?) and continues to operate (if the SWR improves the attenuator is removed).  In the case of severe SWR problems the amplifier goes into standby (?Hard Faults?). Hard faults require intervention by the operator to place the amplifier in ?operate? presuming that the cause of the excessive SWR has been resolved.
>> 
>> The more basic question is what SWR levels the KPA500 will operate. According to the KPA500 manual (page 17) the amplifier is designed for 1.5:1 or less (the amplifier SWR LEDs are green).  Between 1.5 and 2.1 the LEDs are yellow, and above 2.1 the LEDs are red.  I could not find a reference in the manual that defines at what SWR level an ?attenuator fault? or a ?hard fault? due to high SWR are generated, but this suggests that an attenuator fault presumably happens when SWR is above 2.1 which is why I?m wondering if there?s a typo in your first sentence regarding current SWR.
>> 
>> The KAT500 manual (page 21) also notes, ?The Elecraft KPA500 amplifier also works efficiently into a load SWR of 1.5:1.  Suggested values are 1.8:1 to launch an automatic tuning operation and 1.2:1 for bypass.?   
>> 
>> 
>> Hope this helps,
>> 
>> Barry Baines, WD4ASW
>> (Currently in Boston, MA)
>> 
>>> 
>>> The situation is a remote autotuner connected to a 33? vertical that I use for bands that I do not have a resonant antenna.  On those bands the KAT500 is in the BYP mode.  A remote switch brings all of the antenna choices in on a single coax which connected to the KAT500.
>>> 
>>> 73 - Mike - K9JRI
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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From k9jri at mac.com  Sun Sep  2 15:11:02 2018
From: k9jri at mac.com (Michael Blake)
Date: Sun, 02 Sep 2018 15:11:02 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 Key Line Interrupt when in BYP mode?
In-Reply-To: <9D055E79-8D61-46B8-AEBB-325E34DED17C@mac.com>
References: <B01DAFAC-C99E-4672-AA23-C42A583D76D2@mac.com>
	<772B6A7C-73B6-4326-91F0-9B50DDAFC856@mac.com>
	<5A8B1B1F-6B1E-4DA9-9253-954245119E91@mac.com>
	<9D055E79-8D61-46B8-AEBB-325E34DED17C@mac.com>
Message-ID: <4B714D01-A7E3-4090-8ACA-2FC2D04711C1@mac.com>

Dave, yes my question was ?do the VSWR Thresholds work when the KAT500 is in the Bypass mode? and the answer was No, they do not.  There are workarounds of course but the question was specifically when the KAT500 had been placed in the Bypass mode with the front panel button.  The manual did not mention this mode selection?s VSWR protections or lack there-of.

73 - Mike - K9JRI






> On Sep 2, 2018, at 2:56 PM, Barry Baines <bbaines at mac.com> wrote:
> 
> Mike:
> 
>> On Sep 2, 2018, at 1:27 PM, Michael Blake <k9jri at mac.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Dick from Elecraft answered my question.  The short answer to my question was ?no?.
>> 
>> To answer your question, yes the key line interrupt is set for 3.0:1 as it should be. 
> 
> 
> Thanks for the update and glad to hear that your question was answered.
> 
> That said, my reply was only based upon reading the KAT500 and KPA500 manuals.  So I?m wondering how my attempt to be helpful resulted in a ?misinterpretation? of what are in the manuals.  Does the VSWR threshold not work in Bypass mode, or is it something else that is in play?
> 
> I?m also wondering (perhaps Dick can answer this) at what point(s) the KPA500 ?soft? and ?hard? faults kick-in on VSWR.  If you?re running at 3.0:1 VSWR with no issues, what are the set points for fault detection?
> 
> 73, 
> 
> Barry, WD4ASW
> 
> 
>> 
>> Mike - K9JRI
>> 
>>> On Sep 2, 2018, at 13:01, Barry Baines <bbaines at mac.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Mike:
>>> 
>>>> On Sep 2, 2018, at 11:27 AM, Michael Blake via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> When the KAT500 is powered on but in the Bypass mode will it still open the key line to the KPA500 at the preset level (3.0:1 in my case) if the load suddenly goes above 3:1?
>>> 
>>> To confirm, is your SWR 3.0:1 or 2.0:1??
>>> 
>>> According to the KAT500 manual (page 21) you can use the KAT500 Utility Program to set VSWR thresholds for keying an amplifier, ?Also, you can set an SWR threshold at which the key line will not close to enable the external amplifier to protect it from excessive SWR.?  These thresholds can be set for all bands or individual bands.  This would presumably work with bypass mode as bypass is defined as bypassing the tuning elements in the tuner?s matching network while the tuner?s SWR meter continues to function and the antenna selector will still switch to the antenna chosen for a particular band.  
>>> 
>>> I haven?t made adjustments using the Utility Program so I cannot speak from personal experience nor do I know what the default values are for VSWR threshold as I?m not currently where my ham station is to confirm.  You will need to experiment carefully to ensure that you get the intended results.
>>> 
>>> Also keep in mind that the KPA500 protects itself.  See page 19 of the KPA500 manual (?Fault Conditions?) which discusses SWR measurements by the KPA500 itself where ?minor faults? in VSWR will result in a 3 dB reduction in output (?Attenuator Faults?) and continues to operate (if the SWR improves the attenuator is removed).  In the case of severe SWR problems the amplifier goes into standby (?Hard Faults?). Hard faults require intervention by the operator to place the amplifier in ?operate? presuming that the cause of the excessive SWR has been resolved.
>>> 
>>> The more basic question is what SWR levels the KPA500 will operate. According to the KPA500 manual (page 17) the amplifier is designed for 1.5:1 or less (the amplifier SWR LEDs are green).  Between 1.5 and 2.1 the LEDs are yellow, and above 2.1 the LEDs are red.  I could not find a reference in the manual that defines at what SWR level an ?attenuator fault? or a ?hard fault? due to high SWR are generated, but this suggests that an attenuator fault presumably happens when SWR is above 2.1 which is why I?m wondering if there?s a typo in your first sentence regarding current SWR.
>>> 
>>> The KAT500 manual (page 21) also notes, ?The Elecraft KPA500 amplifier also works efficiently into a load SWR of 1.5:1.  Suggested values are 1.8:1 to launch an automatic tuning operation and 1.2:1 for bypass.?   
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hope this helps,
>>> 
>>> Barry Baines, WD4ASW
>>> (Currently in Boston, MA)
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> The situation is a remote autotuner connected to a 33? vertical that I use for bands that I do not have a resonant antenna.  On those bands the KAT500 is in the BYP mode.  A remote switch brings all of the antenna choices in on a single coax which connected to the KAT500.
>>>> 
>>>> 73 - Mike - K9JRI
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> ______________________________________________________________
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>>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
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>>> 
> 


From a.durbin at msn.com  Sun Sep  2 15:21:22 2018
From: a.durbin at msn.com (ANDY DURBIN)
Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2018 19:21:22 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 Key Line Interrupt when in BYP mode?
Message-ID: <SN1PR16MB236848692C21C535432EE2818C0D0@SN1PR16MB2368.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>

"The Elecraft KPA500 amplifier also works efficiently into a load SWR of 1.5:1"

Any such claim is at best misleading.   There may be some 1.5:1 loads that that the KPA500 will be happy with but there are other 1.5:1 loads that it will object to, to the point of giving multiple PA DISS faults.  1.5:1 SWR does not define the load characteristics.   A 1.5:1 load could be pure R or it could be a complex impedance.  The efficiency, PA dissipation, and risk of fault trip are not defined by the SWR.

73,
Andy k3wyc







From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Sun Sep  2 15:40:14 2018
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2018 14:40:14 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 Key Line Interrupt when in BYP mode?
In-Reply-To: <SN1PR16MB236848692C21C535432EE2818C0D0@SN1PR16MB2368.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
References: <SN1PR16MB236848692C21C535432EE2818C0D0@SN1PR16MB2368.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <813cfc17-6fe1-3a3b-1588-cea834984a76@blomand.net>

The value of SWR doesn't really inform us about the load impedance, line 
current or line voltage conditions existing.

In the case of a 1.5:1 SWR, the load Z is 75 ohms, with a power of 500 
watts the line current is 2.58 amps with a voltage of 193.6 volts.

At the same time a 1.5:1 SWR, the load Z is 33.3 ohms, at 500 watts the 
line current is 3.87 amps and with a voltage of 129 volts.

Both 75 ohms and 33.3 ohms represent a 1.5:1 SWR with reference to a 50 
ohm source.

The points being related to the circuit designs, how much current or how 
much voltage exceeds the component ratings???? Hence we see 
manufacturers specifying maximum SWR values.??? Added to the above is 
the Xl and Xc values plus R for a complex impedance.

73

Bob, K4TAX



On 9/2/2018 2:21 PM, ANDY DURBIN wrote:
> "The Elecraft KPA500 amplifier also works efficiently into a load SWR of 1.5:1"
>
> Any such claim is at best misleading.   There may be some 1.5:1 loads that that the KPA500 will be happy with but there are other 1.5:1 loads that it will object to, to the point of giving multiple PA DISS faults.  1.5:1 SWR does not define the load characteristics.   A 1.5:1 load could be pure R or it could be a complex impedance.  The efficiency, PA dissipation, and risk of fault trip are not defined by the SWR.
>
> 73,
> Andy k3wyc
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ______________________________________________________________
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From n7xy at n7xy.net  Sun Sep  2 16:22:48 2018
From: n7xy at n7xy.net (Bob Nielsen, N7XY)
Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2018 13:22:48 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Data transmission on 30 meters with PX3 problem
In-Reply-To: <64a631e3-febc-49a9-c882-2d004f4bb22d@kn5l.net>
References: <CA+nQa2O9dO882f9GMmDFiT4BNLaxSFEdAKtuCd3_Jjy7sG4zfg@mail.gmail.com>
	<8c5623bc-d7b6-09de-c95a-c5ac8fdffd21@embarqmail.com>
	<64a631e3-febc-49a9-c882-2d004f4bb22d@kn5l.net>
Message-ID: <2765169b-df15-0291-cf3c-20b1babb4a79@n7xy.net>

Back in my early days as a ham (1950s), I inadvertently discovered that 
the metal housing of a D104 microphone was very effective in performing 
such a touch test.

Bob, N7XY


On 9/2/18 7:19 AM, John Oppenheimer wrote:
> On 09/02/2018 07:56 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
>> That W3EDP antenna is a strong suspect, as is any off-center fed antenna
>> or end fed antenna.  They can produce large amounts of RF in the shack.
> Hi Gwen,
>
> Don is correct. The W3EDP with a large choke Balun, as pictured, between
> the Unun and KX3 is an OCF Doublet with a resonant frequency of 11 MHz.
> It is rather difficult, if not impossible, to isolate a dipole end
> impedance using a choke Balun. The KX3, being at the high impedance
> point on 30 meters, will experience a rather high RF voltage.
>
> A way to determine if the rig is part of the antenna is to use what I
> call a "touch test." Observe SWR while transmitting, if touching the KX3
> antenna BNC jack causes the SWR to change, then the KX3 is part of the
> antenna. At the extreme, the touch results with a RF burn. I have
> experience RF burn at 15 watts.
>
> John KN5L
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From d.cutter at ntlworld.com  Sun Sep  2 16:52:13 2018
From: d.cutter at ntlworld.com (David Cutter)
Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2018 21:52:13 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] internet speed for remote K3S
In-Reply-To: <002301d442bc$fc42fb40$f4c8f1c0$@arrl.net>
References: <002301d442bc$fc42fb40$f4c8f1c0$@arrl.net>
Message-ID: <04db01d442fe$d416d6e0$7c4484a0$@ntlworld.com>

Thanks, Paul.  My question was naive in only asking for speed.  Several have
pointed out that latency is probably more important because the speed is
easy to attain.  I need to translate this to the characteristics that the
providers use, eg ping, which I know little about.  From advice I have
received here and elsewhere it looks like I will be safe to continue with
the project and to concentrate on achieving the lowest latency at each end -
for that I will call upon further advice. 

73 David G3UNA

-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net
[mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Paul Christensen
Sent: 02 September 2018 14:01
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] internet speed for remote K3S

>"My experience is exactly that; look out for latency; that is the killer."

Apart from use with satellite-based services (e.g., Hughes, maritime VSAT,
etc.), I've found latency is reasonably low even from hotel and 4G
connections.  Jitter will almost always be the dominating factor, especially
when using a remote CW connection.   I won't even try satellite remoting;
it's a horrible experience.  From home or when roaming on my iPhone 's WiFi
hotspot connection, my QSK CW experience is almost as good as a local
connection.  The remote site is on Verizon 4G/LTE service with a 30 GB/month
plan.  

I use PingPlotter software that shows typical ping time under 50 ms. from
home to my remote site about 30 miles away.  The longest measured latency is
the link between the Verizon cell site and the 4G router at the shack.  That
comprises about 50% of the total latency.  In between, the service changes
hands among several internet transport providers.  I just ran a quick test
and see 12 hops before it gets to the destination.  The path changes from
day-to-day.

Back to the OP's question of "what speed will give satisfactory results?"
Assuming a K3 with RemoteRig, look at the RemoteRig manual, Appendix A for a
table that illustrates data consumption as a function of bit rate and
whether dual-channel audio is engaged.  For example, 12-bit linear, 2
channel audio (for dual receive) requires 240 kbps.  That's not much data.
Of course, there's going to be other overhead when running applications on
the same link.  Any of the high speed "light" packages will work fine with
the RemoteRig unless using high bit-rate settings.  I've noticed no
operating issues when using an account with 1.5 Mbps download and 500 kbps
upload speeds and when either VNC or TeamViewer is running in the
background.  My iPhone's WiFi hotspot typically gives 10/5 Mbps service as
long as there's ample 4G/LTE signal strength.

Paul, W9AC

    

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From ebasilier at cox.net  Sun Sep  2 20:53:26 2018
From: ebasilier at cox.net (Erik Basilier)
Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2018 17:53:26 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Data transmission on 30 meters with PX3 problem
Message-ID: <013501d44320$86decd70$949c6850$@cox.net>

As Jim K9YC has pointed out in his writeup on baluns etc, there is a
threshold effect when one applies a choke to reduce common mode current. The
current is determined by driving voltage and total (complex) series
impedance. The choke RF impedance will have a reactive as well as a
resistive component, and so does the circuit before the choke is applied.
The reactances may be of opposite signs and cancel out, in which case adding
the choke may actually make it easier for the common mode current to flow.
It is easy to think that one can add a marginal choke and look for a small
improvement as a reliable indication that a good choke will be worth the
investment or not. Wrong! Only then the choke tried has high enough
impedance to dominate the circuit can one judge whether whether adding
chokes helps. Also, adding the perfect choke near the antenna feed point is
not likely completely to eliminate common mode RF current at the rig end of
the cable. For common mode purposes, the perfect choke acts effectively to
disconnect the outside of the coax from the antenna, but that metal is still
there, close to the antenna, and it will be part of the antenna system as a
parasitic antenna element, affect the radiation pattern, and carry
substantial RF current.
73,
Erik K7TV


From frantz at pwpconsult.com  Sun Sep  2 21:28:16 2018
From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz)
Date: Sun,  2 Sep 2018 18:28:16 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Data transmission on 30 meters with PX3 problem
In-Reply-To: <013501d44320$86decd70$949c6850$@cox.net>
Message-ID: <r480Ps-10136i-08C1EEDA994F4BF09F98B96CEA4E71A1@Williams-MacBook-Pro.local>

This is one of the clearest explanations I have seen of the issue. Thanks Erik.

73 Bill AE6JV

On 9/2/18 at 5:53 PM, ebasilier at cox.net (Erik Basilier) wrote:

> As Jim K9YC has pointed out in his writeup on baluns etc, there is a
> threshold effect when one applies a choke to reduce common mode current. The
> current is determined by driving voltage and total (complex) series
> impedance. The choke RF impedance will have a reactive as well as a
> resistive component, and so does the circuit before the choke is applied.
> The reactances may be of opposite signs and cancel out, in which case adding
> the choke may actually make it easier for the common mode current to flow.
> It is easy to think that one can add a marginal choke and look for a small
> improvement as a reliable indication that a good choke will be worth the
> investment or not. Wrong! Only then the choke tried has high enough
> impedance to dominate the circuit can one judge whether whether adding
> chokes helps. Also, adding the perfect choke near the antenna feed point is
> not likely completely to eliminate common mode RF current at the rig end of
> the cable. For common mode purposes, the perfect choke acts effectively to
> disconnect the outside of the coax from the antenna, but that metal is still
> there, close to the antenna, and it will be part of the antenna system as a
> parasitic antenna element, affect the radiation pattern, and carry
> substantial RF current.
> 73,
> Erik K7TV

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From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Sun Sep  2 21:37:56 2018
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2018 20:37:56 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Data transmission on 30 meters with PX3 problem
In-Reply-To: <r480Ps-10136i-08C1EEDA994F4BF09F98B96CEA4E71A1@Williams-MacBook-Pro.local>
References: <r480Ps-10136i-08C1EEDA994F4BF09F98B96CEA4E71A1@Williams-MacBook-Pro.local>
Message-ID: <82a2cfce-f869-53e5-51fe-bf886777e83f@blomand.net>

Here is another good information source on baluns and specifically the 
type of material and how it performs under various conditions.

http://www.karinya.net/g3txq/chokes/

As it is said "I have no dog in this fight".

73
Bob, K4TAX




On 9/2/2018 8:28 PM, Bill Frantz wrote:
> This is one of the clearest explanations I have seen of the issue. Thanks Erik.
>
> 73 Bill AE6JV
>
> On 9/2/18 at 5:53 PM, ebasilier at cox.net (Erik Basilier) wrote:
>
>> As Jim K9YC has pointed out in his writeup on baluns etc, there is a
>> threshold effect when one applies a choke to reduce common mode current. The
>> current is determined by driving voltage and total (complex) series
>> impedance. The choke RF impedance will have a reactive as well as a
>> resistive component, and so does the circuit before the choke is applied.
>> The reactances may be of opposite signs and cancel out, in which case adding
>> the choke may actually make it easier for the common mode current to flow.
>> It is easy to think that one can add a marginal choke and look for a small
>> improvement as a reliable indication that a good choke will be worth the
>> investment or not. Wrong! Only then the choke tried has high enough
>> impedance to dominate the circuit can one judge whether whether adding
>> chokes helps. Also, adding the perfect choke near the antenna feed point is
>> not likely completely to eliminate common mode RF current at the rig end of
>> the cable. For common mode purposes, the perfect choke acts effectively to
>> disconnect the outside of the coax from the antenna, but that metal is still
>> there, close to the antenna, and it will be part of the antenna system as a
>> parasitic antenna element, affect the radiation pattern, and carry
>> substantial RF current.
>> 73,
>> Erik K7TV
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From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Sun Sep  2 22:10:19 2018
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2018 19:10:19 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Data transmission on 30 meters with PX3 problem
In-Reply-To: <r480Ps-10136i-08C1EEDA994F4BF09F98B96CEA4E71A1@Williams-MacBook-Pro.local>
References: <r480Ps-10136i-08C1EEDA994F4BF09F98B96CEA4E71A1@Williams-MacBook-Pro.local>
Message-ID: <da1971f7-f2ca-7bd5-1236-1bf3ec588da5@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On 9/2/2018 6:28 PM, Bill Frantz wrote:
> This is one of the clearest explanations I have seen of the issue. Thanks Erik.

I guess you never saw mine, upon which Erik's is based.? I first 
published this in 2005!

73, Jim K9YC


From kevinr at coho.net  Sun Sep  2 22:31:18 2018
From: kevinr at coho.net (kevinr)
Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2018 19:31:18 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Report
Message-ID: <d79a38fb-9488-fc50-1b20-9f9cddd2ebbd@coho.net>

Good Evening,

 ?? QSB was deep on 20 meters and less deep on 40 meters.? I was getting 
reports from ESP to S8.? But both bands were able to support at least a 
few contacts.


 ? On 14050.5 kHz at 2200z:

NO8V - John - MI

W0CZ - Ken - ND

K6XK - Roy - IA


 ? On 7045 kHz at 0000z:

KW6G - Chas - CA

K6PJV - Dale - CA

K0DTJ - Brian - CA


 ?? While it was hot and humid in the heartland it was hot near 
Sacramento and cool near the coast.? Fresh air was appreciated. 
Hopefully they'll get the last of the wildfires under control. The 
firefighters in the Cascades may get some help with a little snow fall.? 
The rainy season is not due for at least another month.

 ?? 73,

 ?????? Kevin.? KD5ONS


From n6tv at arrl.net  Mon Sep  3 00:01:11 2018
From: n6tv at arrl.net (Bob Wilson, N6TV)
Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2018 21:01:11 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Final Reminder: S-BOX / Y-BOX Labor Day Weekend Special
 ends at 0700 UTC Monday
Message-ID: <CAOmNKGLyzNX_DCf+79S+9kSG8x8p_=heZU_QGe8rNoXAjPRO1A@mail.gmail.com>

Reminder, S-BOX and Y-BOX order forms submitted by midnight Monday (Pacific
Time) will receive free domestic shipping, or discounted international
shipping.  Orders for both may be combined into a single shipment.

Direct link to S-BOX order form here
<https://goo.gl/forms/xwyUO4b3QZI8NSzI2>.
Direct link to Y-BOX order form here
<https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSey0UAeRL34jYqspGPIlAdWGo7g9Stgoky4H6SsYa0yy1dPwg/viewform?c=0&w=1>
.

More info. at https://bit.ly/S-BOX and https://bit.ly/Y-BOX .

Thanks for your support.

73,
Bob, N6TV

On Mon, Aug 27, 2018 at 6:34 PM, Bob Wilson, N6TV <n6tv at arrl.net> wrote:

> All S-BOX and Y-BOX orders received by midnight Pacific Time on Labor Day
> ( 2018-09-04 07:00 UTC) will qualify for *free domestic shipping via USPS
> Priority Mail*.  Limit:  4 boxes per customer and as many cables as will
> fit in the same box.
>
> International orders received by the deadline will qualify for
> *discounted* International USPS shipping (discounted by same dollar
> amount as equivalent domestic Priority Mail shipping).
>
> The *S-BOX* <https://bit.ly/S-BOX> and *S-BOX-USB* are passive *serial
> port* splitters that make it easy to connect multiple devices to *any* compatible
> transceiver with a serial port.  When connected through the S-BOX, every
> device can follow the transceiver frequency, automatically changing bands
> and/or retuning.  "Devices" include:
>
>    1. Elecraft KPA500, KPA1500 amplifiers
>    2. ACOM 2000A (with new RCU), 600S, and A1200S amplifiers
>    3. SPE Expert amplifiers (all models)
>    4. Elecraft KAT500 Tuner
>    5. SteppIR SDA 100 and SDA 2000 antenna controllers
>    6. Elecraft KRC2 band decoder
>    7. Array Solutions RatMaster band decoder
>    8. Hamation SM-8 ShackMaster band decoder
>    9. 4O3A Interface Genius band decoder
>    10. RFSpace SDR-IQ receiver
>
> The S-BOX also includes four independent keying circuits to provide CW,
> FSK, and PTT to a transceiver via logging software.  A keying circuit can
> also be used to remotely power up an Elecraft K3, K3S, KPA500, or KPA1500
> using RemoteHams RCForb.
>
> The *Y-BOX* <https://bit.ly/Y-BOX> looks similar, but it is not the same
> as the S-BOX.  The main purpose of the Y-BOX is to eliminate a tangle of
> 15-pin Y-Cable connections when you have multiple devices that all need to
> connect to the K3/K3S 15-pin *ACC port*, including:
>
>    1. KAT500 / KPA500 / KPA1500 AUX cable
>    2. Top Ten Band Decoder
>    3. FSK keying interface
>    4. SO2R box
>    5. Remote Rig Interface
>
> The Y-BOX can replace the KPAK3AUX cable kit.  Using the Y-BOX instead of
> the cable, a K3 macro can power a KPA500 or KPA1500 on or off (this does
> not work an unmodified KPAK3AUX cable).  The Y-BOX also provides a very
> convenient way to connect the SteppIR Tuning Relay Interrupt option, which
> prevents damage to a SteppIR antenna from excessive power while it is
> tuning.
>
> For photos, wiring details, and the order link, please visit the web sites
> below. Order any time before midnight PT Monday to receive free domestic
> USPS Priority Mail shipping:
>
> https://bit.ly/S-BOX
>
> https://bit.ly/Y-BOX
>
> Thanks, and Happy Labor Day!
>
> 73,
> Bob, N6TV
>

From indians at xsmail.com  Mon Sep  3 02:20:20 2018
From: indians at xsmail.com (Petr, OK1RP/M0SIS)
Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2018 23:20:20 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] KAT1 f/w revision
In-Reply-To: <65f091b1-4916-4130-b4a9-551f502f8e9f@roccon.com>
References: <1535722589636-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<e6c7a9b7-5fb5-2f86-4d16-b6bfe9fc72f3@embarqmail.com>
	<65f091b1-4916-4130-b4a9-551f502f8e9f@roccon.com>
Message-ID: <1535955620354-0.post@n2.nabble.com>

Graziano,

not so much info about that but what I found on Elecraft pages is:

KAT1 F/W Upgrade to 1.3.  
"Increases matching range for loads that caused PLO message."





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From jim.w4atk at gmail.com  Mon Sep  3 09:12:34 2018
From: jim.w4atk at gmail.com (Jim Rogers)
Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2018 08:12:34 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Why some satellites reverse the sidebands
Message-ID: <88b5c717-7f7f-ed6e-eaee-822f071be635@gmail.com>

A common LO (local Oscillator) for the receiver and the transmitter is 
the only reason I can think of.

Jim


From ernie at netvision.net.il  Mon Sep  3 09:15:19 2018
From: ernie at netvision.net.il (TL_Netvision)
Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2018 16:15:19 +0300
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 intermittent LCD & Keying issues
Message-ID: <002001d44388$29a269b0$7ce73d10$@netvision.net.il>

Hello all,

My KPA500 # 1090 (driven by K3 & followed by KAT500) basically functions as
advertised at 12-35w input level. BUT the following occurs randomly (no
matter band \ mode \ power) with a tendency to repeat more often, from day
to day :

1. At some point in the operating cycle (minutes from "ON" - can be 3 or 43)
the amp will not key when  triggered by my K3.   There is a "double click"
sound similar to a relay bounce. Usually On the next PTT  from the K3 it
will key  as before, and perhaps a few cycles later this might happen again.


2. Either starting the amp from cold or after some idle time the LCD
characters dim, become unreadable  and finally disappear. The LCD remains
lit but empty. This might or might not fix itself when powering the amp off
and on again. At the  time of writing this post it is the steady state.

3. The keying issue in "1" above isn't necessarily linked to issue "2", but
sometimes both occur at the  same time.

4. So far even with empty LCD the amp is amplifying; RF & SWR LEDs indicate
expected readings. 


Any ideas please?
TIA & 73

Isaac, 4Z1TL



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From n8hm at arrl.net  Mon Sep  3 09:48:09 2018
From: n8hm at arrl.net (Paul Stoetzer)
Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2018 09:48:09 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Why some satellites reverse the sidebands
In-Reply-To: <88b5c717-7f7f-ed6e-eaee-822f071be635@gmail.com>
References: <88b5c717-7f7f-ed6e-eaee-822f071be635@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CABzOSOon1vNvFxGJm0UqQCeW0fcQxGvQ6HO17TRG+b4cd5ECkw@mail.gmail.com>

Though there may be technical reasons behind it, the biggest reason is
practical.

If you don't invert the sidebands, the total Doppler shift is the sum
of the shift on two bands. For a satellite in a standard LEO orbit
with an uplink at 2 meters and downlink at 70 cm, the total Doppler
shift is +/- 3.5 kHz on 2 meters and +/- 10 kHz on 70 cm. If the
sidebands were not inverted, the total Doppler shift through the pass
would be +/- 13.5 kHz. If you invert the sidebands, the total Doppler
shift is the difference between the shift on two bands, or +/-  6.5
kHz. That's far easier to deal with if you're compensating for the
Doppler shift manually.

73,

Paul, N8HM
On Mon, Sep 3, 2018 at 9:13 AM Jim Rogers <jim.w4atk at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> A common LO (local Oscillator) for the receiver and the transmitter is
> the only reason I can think of.
>
> Jim
>
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From billclarke at nycap.rr.com  Mon Sep  3 09:48:32 2018
From: billclarke at nycap.rr.com (Bill)
Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2018 09:48:32 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3: Audio settings
Message-ID: <8e691120-814a-6e37-6ca8-9495295ef1c5@nycap.rr.com>

I have been using my K3/P3 since new in early 2013. Initially, I had a 
devil of a time getting the RX audio to sound pleasing. Understand - 
that is pleasing to me. There was always a high percentage of background 
white noise.

Eventually, after a lot of experimentation, I settled on various EQ, 
AGC, ATT, RF Gain etc. All this was to make it comfortable for long-term 
armchair copy on 40, 75, and 160 meters. I also bought a pair of 
Behringer MS40 speakers to improve things.? All told, I was relatively 
pleased with the results - - - until...... I bought an Icom 7300.

The 7300 is quiet. Nearly zero background noise - signals just jump out. 
During the daytime it is close to that of 2-meter FM. Understand that my 
QTH has nearly zero noise.

Where am I going with this? Simple - I am looking for suggestions on 
eliminating the K3's white noise problem. Please do not email, as I am 
sure I am not the only K3 user similarly interested. Sharing would be great.

Thanks,

Bill W2BLC K-Line



From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Mon Sep  3 09:58:30 2018
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2018 09:58:30 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3: Audio settings
In-Reply-To: <8e691120-814a-6e37-6ca8-9495295ef1c5@nycap.rr.com>
References: <8e691120-814a-6e37-6ca8-9495295ef1c5@nycap.rr.com>
Message-ID: <6475f427-7b29-499c-8684-16da1b7443a0@embarqmail.com>

Bill,

The AGC Threshold has a lot to do with it.  Check out the "Noisy K3" 
article on my website www.w3fpr.com.  Set it to suit the noise at your 
QTH, there is no 'one size to fit all'.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 9/3/2018 9:48 AM, Bill wrote:
> I have been using my K3/P3 since new in early 2013. Initially, I had a 
> devil of a time getting the RX audio to sound pleasing. Understand - 
> that is pleasing to me. There was always a high percentage of background 
> white noise.
> 
> Eventually, after a lot of experimentation, I settled on various EQ, 
> AGC, ATT, RF Gain etc. All this was to make it comfortable for long-term 
> armchair copy on 40, 75, and 160 meters. I also bought a pair of 
> Behringer MS40 speakers to improve things.? All told, I was relatively 
> pleased with the results - - - until...... I bought an Icom 7300.
> 
> The 7300 is quiet. Nearly zero background noise - signals just jump out. 
> During the daytime it is close to that of 2-meter FM. Understand that my 
> QTH has nearly zero noise.
> 
> Where am I going with this? Simple - I am looking for suggestions on 
> eliminating the K3's white noise problem. Please do not email, as I am 
> sure I am not the only K3 user similarly interested. Sharing would be 
> great.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Bill W2BLC K-Line
> 
> 
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From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Mon Sep  3 10:24:18 2018
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2018 09:24:18 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3: Audio settings
In-Reply-To: <8e691120-814a-6e37-6ca8-9495295ef1c5@nycap.rr.com>
References: <8e691120-814a-6e37-6ca8-9495295ef1c5@nycap.rr.com>
Message-ID: <b1e69d34-6dd7-5571-4327-222082a6e73c@blomand.net>

I had assembled two K3 radios for friends that didn't believe they were 
competent to do so.? In doing this, I was able to use these radios for a 
few weeks.?? I noted some artifacts regarding the receive audio and 
elected not to purchase one for my station at that time.

Then came along the K3S with its advertised improvements.? Namely in 
receive audio.? I opted to purchase one and I am totally delighted that 
I waited.? The RX audio performance is outstanding in all respects.?? I 
know this is not the answer you wanted to read.?? However, Don, W3FPR 
has an excellent paper on his site that details adjustments regarding 
the K3 and its "noisy audio". Without a doubt, a correctly configured 
radio will offer outstanding performance.

My 55 year ham history comes from a long line of Tentec, Kenwood, ICOM, 
and Yaesu radios.?? Needless to say,? I find the K3S is superior to 
anything I've had access to use.

73

Bob, K4TAX



On 9/3/2018 8:48 AM, Bill wrote:
> I have been using my K3/P3 since new in early 2013. Initially, I had a 
> devil of a time getting the RX audio to sound pleasing. Understand - 
> that is pleasing to me. There was always a high percentage of 
> background white noise.
>
> Eventually, after a lot of experimentation, I settled on various EQ, 
> AGC, ATT, RF Gain etc. All this was to make it comfortable for 
> long-term armchair copy on 40, 75, and 160 meters. I also bought a 
> pair of Behringer MS40 speakers to improve things.? All told, I was 
> relatively pleased with the results - - - until...... I bought an Icom 
> 7300.
>
> The 7300 is quiet. Nearly zero background noise - signals just jump 
> out. During the daytime it is close to that of 2-meter FM. Understand 
> that my QTH has nearly zero noise.
>
> Where am I going with this? Simple - I am looking for suggestions on 
> eliminating the K3's white noise problem. Please do not email, as I am 
> sure I am not the only K3 user similarly interested. Sharing would be 
> great.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bill W2BLC K-Line
>
>
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From josh at voodoolab.com  Mon Sep  3 10:56:21 2018
From: josh at voodoolab.com (Josh Fiden)
Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2018 07:56:21 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3: Audio settings
In-Reply-To: <b1e69d34-6dd7-5571-4327-222082a6e73c@blomand.net>
References: <8e691120-814a-6e37-6ca8-9495295ef1c5@nycap.rr.com>
	<b1e69d34-6dd7-5571-4327-222082a6e73c@blomand.net>
Message-ID: <5A628E5E-51A9-4F70-8FD0-AF5D8725FAF9@voodoolab.com>

I have two original K3. Wondering if I missed something. The "S" has improvements to receive audio? Or is this just referring to the new synthesizer?

Thanks & 73,
Josh W6XU

Sent from my mobile device

> On Sep 3, 2018, at 7:24 AM, Bob McGraw K4TAX 

> Then came along the K3S with its advertised improvements.  Namely in receive audio.  


From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Mon Sep  3 11:40:53 2018
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2018 11:40:53 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3: Audio settings
In-Reply-To: <5A628E5E-51A9-4F70-8FD0-AF5D8725FAF9@voodoolab.com>
References: <8e691120-814a-6e37-6ca8-9495295ef1c5@nycap.rr.com>
	<b1e69d34-6dd7-5571-4327-222082a6e73c@blomand.net>
	<5A628E5E-51A9-4F70-8FD0-AF5D8725FAF9@voodoolab.com>
Message-ID: <312ef4f6-1612-2f13-5174-024b0ece9a66@embarqmail.com>

Josh,

Yes, the K3S has some improvement to the audio in that there is an extra 
gain stage that distributes the audio gain a bit better.  I do not 
consider it worthwhile for my K3 - the DSP board would have to be 
replaced.  There was a change to the K3 DSP board much earlier that 
added a low pass filter as well as lower frequency audio response to the 
original K3 audio.  For a time, there wa a DSP board swap program to 
upgrade the DSP board, but that has now been retired, but you can still 
purchase the low pass filter add-on.  If you have the Rev D DSP board, 
it is already installed.

The new synthesizer will get you the most "bang for the buck" 
improvement in the K3 RF performance, and the new KXV3B adds the 20 dB 
preamp for 17 meters and above.  The KIO3B can add the USB interface 
rather than the RS-232 as well as an internal soundcard.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 9/3/2018 10:56 AM, Josh Fiden wrote:
> I have two original K3. Wondering if I missed something. The "S" has improvements to receive audio? Or is this just referring to the new synthesizer?
> 

From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Mon Sep  3 11:48:05 2018
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2018 10:48:05 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3: Audio settings
In-Reply-To: <5A628E5E-51A9-4F70-8FD0-AF5D8725FAF9@voodoolab.com>
References: <8e691120-814a-6e37-6ca8-9495295ef1c5@nycap.rr.com>
	<b1e69d34-6dd7-5571-4327-222082a6e73c@blomand.net>
	<5A628E5E-51A9-4F70-8FD0-AF5D8725FAF9@voodoolab.com>
Message-ID: <71b355cc-b91d-7467-bf20-15e65f23b1ce@blomand.net>

Here is a link to the K3S as originally announced.?? Note that it has; " 
Redesigned AF output circuitry for outstanding speaker audio" among 
other added items.

http://www.elecraft.com/manual/k3s%20data%20sheet_Rev_A2%20.pdf

73

Bob, K4TAX


On 9/3/2018 9:56 AM, Josh Fiden wrote:
> I have two original K3. Wondering if I missed something. The "S" has improvements to receive audio? Or is this just referring to the new synthesizer?
>
> Thanks & 73,
> Josh W6XU
>
> Sent from my mobile device
>
>> On Sep 3, 2018, at 7:24 AM, Bob McGraw K4TAX
>> Then came along the K3S with its advertised improvements.  Namely in receive audio.
>



From dave at nk7z.net  Mon Sep  3 11:52:13 2018
From: dave at nk7z.net (Dave Cole (NK7Z))
Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2018 08:52:13 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3: Audio settings
In-Reply-To: <312ef4f6-1612-2f13-5174-024b0ece9a66@embarqmail.com>
References: <8e691120-814a-6e37-6ca8-9495295ef1c5@nycap.rr.com>
	<b1e69d34-6dd7-5571-4327-222082a6e73c@blomand.net>
	<5A628E5E-51A9-4F70-8FD0-AF5D8725FAF9@voodoolab.com>
	<312ef4f6-1612-2f13-5174-024b0ece9a66@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <19ab5af4-e7ce-7f14-0449-a26f0b213def@nk7z.net>

Don,

I have some P3 displays of what happens when two stations upgrade to the 
new Synthesizers at:

https://www.nk7z.net/

Just select the top blog entry.  There are some P3 graphs there showing 
just how much improvement the new synthesizers actually add.  Two of us 
upgraded, and we did it in stages, I managed to document most of the 
changes in steps, showing the RX station, then the TX stations, etc.  It 
was all quite interesting, and a big improvement as the numbers show.

73s and thanks,
Dave (NK7Z/NNR0DC)
https://www.nk7z.net
ARRL Technical Specialist

On 09/03/2018 08:40 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
> The new synthesizer will get you the most "bang for the buck" 
> improvement in the K3 RF performance

> 73,
> Don W3FPR

From richarddw1945 at yahoo.com  Mon Sep  3 13:12:31 2018
From: richarddw1945 at yahoo.com (RIchard Williams)
Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2018 17:12:31 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] K3: Audio settings
In-Reply-To: <5A628E5E-51A9-4F70-8FD0-AF5D8725FAF9@voodoolab.com>
References: <8e691120-814a-6e37-6ca8-9495295ef1c5@nycap.rr.com>
	<b1e69d34-6dd7-5571-4327-222082a6e73c@blomand.net>
	<5A628E5E-51A9-4F70-8FD0-AF5D8725FAF9@voodoolab.com>
Message-ID: <1870462403.399512.1535994751566@mail.yahoo.com>

Josh,
Theoretically, the answer is yes.? From the FAQ blurb on the Elecraft site: "Redesigned speakeramplifier -? Stereo speaker outputs now have lower total harmonic distortion(THD) for reduced listening fatigue".
Dick, K8ZTT
??   On Monday, September 3, 2018, 8:56:45 AM MDT, Josh Fiden <josh at voodoolab.com> wrote:  
 
 I have two original K3. Wondering if I missed something. The "S" has improvements to receive audio? Or is this just referring to the new synthesizer?

Thanks & 73,
Josh W6XU

Sent from my mobile device

> On Sep 3, 2018, at 7:24 AM, Bob McGraw K4TAX 

> Then came along the K3S with its advertised improvements.? Namely in receive audio.? 

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From tim.n9puz at gmail.com  Mon Sep  3 13:48:07 2018
From: tim.n9puz at gmail.com (Tim McDonough N9PUZ)
Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2018 12:48:07 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 KXIO2 RTC Adjustment
In-Reply-To: <bb7087ca-5973-a607-ecf2-808a7ccfcd7b@embarqmail.com>
References: <fc497b38-9632-dda3-c0d2-a66a88840e95@gmail.com>
	<bb7087ca-5973-a607-ecf2-808a7ccfcd7b@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <9499790a-c951-0488-ed11-2a5f8f1fd44c@gmail.com>

Thank you Don and Richard.

The KXIO2 clock is working properly again. I do not know if it was one 
of the things below or the combination of all of them but I'll share 
what I did in hopes it might help someone else.

My KX2 was purchased used so I do not know if it was assembled by the 
original owner or by Elecraft.

Step 1: I removed external power and the internal battery. Then I let 
the radio sit for a couple of days so the backup cap could discharge and 
things would really be "off".

Step 2: I removed the KXIO2 board using the installation instructions as 
a guide. I carefully applied a small amount of DeoxIT "D Series" cleaner 
to the contacts on the four headers. (Use VERY little, I could barely 
see that I had applied any.) This was in case there might be any small 
amount of corrosion that was not visible.

Step 3: I reassembled everything, put the battery back in and connected 
external power. Then, I used the KX2 utility program to set the clock to 
match my PC with the "calibration value set to "0". I turned the radio off.

Step 4: About a day or so later I compared the two times. The KX2 was a 
few seconds fast so I bumped the calibration to "1". Having done all of 
that the radio seems to be about a minute fast after a week. Plenty good 
enough for me and well within what Elecraft claims it should do.

Tim N9PUZ

On 8/26/2018 11:00 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
> Tim,
>
> I would suggest trying again to recalibrate it.? The recalibration can 
> be a long process of trial and error with the results measured over 
> several days.
> That is a lot less expensive than buying a new one or sending it to 
> Elecraft.
>
> I do not expect the long term accuracy of any rig's real time clock to 
> be correct over a period of days.? Even gaining a minute a day is 
> sufficient for logging during an outing.
> Actually, I do not use it, I use the Timex on my wrist for accurate 
> timekeeping, and it is easier for me than pulling up the RTC display 
> on the KX2 when doing paper logging.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 8/25/2018 5:20 PM, Tim McDonough N9PUZ wrote:
>> I have a KX2 with the internal tuner and the KXIO2 clock module which 
>> I purchased used and it is long out of warranty. The clock gains a 
>> nearly minute per day in spite of having performed the 
>> calibration/adjustment.
>>
>> Elecraft advised that while they are more than happy to repair it by 
>> the time I pay for labor and shipping both ways it is probably better 
>> to buy a new KXIO2 module which will have a warranty. I can 
>> appreciate that and don't fault them a bit for the price but I'm just 
>> wondering if anyone has a suggestion for a DIY repair. I spend plenty 
>> of money on the hobby but am just wondering if I can get a working 
>> internal clock for less than $80 plus shipping?
>


From billclarke at nycap.rr.com  Mon Sep  3 14:46:08 2018
From: billclarke at nycap.rr.com (Bill)
Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2018 14:46:08 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3: Audio settings
In-Reply-To: <1870462403.399512.1535994751566@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1870462403.399512.1535994751566@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <bb057ff5-ea82-5e46-85e8-b5eb72db2701@nycap.rr.com>

In the real world, is that "theoretical" improvement noticeable? The 
improvement I am looking for is significant - not small or incremental. 
Perhaps it is more than the K3 can provide?

Bill W2BLC K-Line



From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Mon Sep  3 15:18:06 2018
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2018 14:18:06 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3: Audio settings
In-Reply-To: <bb057ff5-ea82-5e46-85e8-b5eb72db2701@nycap.rr.com>
References: <1870462403.399512.1535994751566@mail.yahoo.com>
	<bb057ff5-ea82-5e46-85e8-b5eb72db2701@nycap.rr.com>
Message-ID: <5866f650-2a99-3adb-c906-d71147c6c508@blomand.net>

Personally having used two different K3 radios and then my K3S, the 
difference was enough for me to buy a new K3S.? Small or 
incremental........nah, very noticeable specially coming from someone 
{me} who worked in professional audio and recording studio environment 
most of my career.? Of course you may have other objectives.?? Operator 
skill and correctly setting up the radio parameters is a major key to 
ones overall success and satisfaction.?? In fact, one can adjust the 
various parameters where the radio sounds and performs poorly.? That's 
not the radio's fault.

 ?I'll say the overall performance enhancements and difference is indeed 
a complication of improvements, not just solely the audio.

With a compilation of older and newer radios,? a IC-756pro II, a 
TS-590S, and an Orion at my disposal, they don't stand anywhere near the 
performance and overall signal quality of the K3S.?? As to whistles and 
bells offered by the others.........toot toot and ding-a-ling.? They 
don't impress me.

73

Bob, K4TAX


On 9/3/2018 1:46 PM, Bill wrote:
> In the real world, is that "theoretical" improvement noticeable? The 
> improvement I am looking for is significant - not small or 
> incremental. Perhaps it is more than the K3 can provide?
>
> Bill W2BLC K-Line
>
>
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From josh at voodoolab.com  Mon Sep  3 15:19:24 2018
From: josh at voodoolab.com (Josh Fiden)
Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2018 12:19:24 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3: Audio settings
In-Reply-To: <71b355cc-b91d-7467-bf20-15e65f23b1ce@blomand.net>
References: <8e691120-814a-6e37-6ca8-9495295ef1c5@nycap.rr.com>
	<b1e69d34-6dd7-5571-4327-222082a6e73c@blomand.net>
	<5A628E5E-51A9-4F70-8FD0-AF5D8725FAF9@voodoolab.com>
	<71b355cc-b91d-7467-bf20-15e65f23b1ce@blomand.net>
Message-ID: <6074FF54-8E09-407A-B893-03C501109BE5@voodoolab.com>

The only thing I use the speaker for is monitoring digital modes where as long as I hear beeps, it's all good :)

My operating on CW & phone is exclusively headphones. So, if the improvement is exclusive to driving low impedance loads at higher power, doesn't matter. 

73
Josh W6XU

Sent from my mobile device

> On Sep 3, 2018, at 8:48 AM, Bob McGraw K4TAX <rmcgraw at blomand.net> wrote:
> 
> Here is a link to the K3S as originally announced.   Note that it has; " Redesigned AF output circuitry for outstanding speaker audio" among other added items.
> 
> http://www.elecraft.com/manual/k3s%20data%20sheet_Rev_A2%20.pdf
> 
> 73
> 
> Bob, K4TAX
> 
> 
>> On 9/3/2018 9:56 AM, Josh Fiden wrote:
>> I have two original K3. Wondering if I missed something. The "S" has improvements to receive audio? Or is this just referring to the new synthesizer?
>> 
>> Thanks & 73,
>> Josh W6XU
>> 
>> Sent from my mobile device
>> 
>>> On Sep 3, 2018, at 7:24 AM, Bob McGraw K4TAX
>>> Then came along the K3S with its advertised improvements.  Namely in receive audio.
>> 
> 
> 


From josh at voodoolab.com  Mon Sep  3 15:28:59 2018
From: josh at voodoolab.com (Josh Fiden)
Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2018 12:28:59 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3: Audio settings
In-Reply-To: <312ef4f6-1612-2f13-5174-024b0ece9a66@embarqmail.com>
References: <8e691120-814a-6e37-6ca8-9495295ef1c5@nycap.rr.com>
	<b1e69d34-6dd7-5571-4327-222082a6e73c@blomand.net>
	<5A628E5E-51A9-4F70-8FD0-AF5D8725FAF9@voodoolab.com>
	<312ef4f6-1612-2f13-5174-024b0ece9a66@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <0B8CC6C2-8752-4F58-9706-EEA5F06BB266@voodoolab.com>

I have the new synth boards, since that was clearly worthwhile. Already have outboard preamp & don't care about USB since at this point seems like I've accumulated a herd of USB/RS232 converters that work fine, plus Tascam audio interface. 

I'll have to check DSP board rev. Was there a specific serial number for that changeover?

Thanks for the info!

73,
Josh W6XU

Sent from my mobile device

> On Sep 3, 2018, at 8:40 AM, Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Josh,
> 
> Yes, the K3S has some improvement to the audio in that there is an extra gain stage that distributes the audio gain a bit better.  I do not consider it worthwhile for my K3 - the DSP board would have to be replaced.  There was a change to the K3 DSP board much earlier that added a low pass filter as well as lower frequency audio response to the original K3 audio.  For a time, there wa a DSP board swap program to upgrade the DSP board, but that has now been retired, but you can still purchase the low pass filter add-on.  If you have the Rev D DSP board, it is already installed.
> 
> The new synthesizer will get you the most "bang for the buck" improvement in the K3 RF performance, and the new KXV3B adds the 20 dB preamp for 17 meters and above.  The KIO3B can add the USB interface rather than the RS-232 as well as an internal soundcard.
> 
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>> 


From ghyoungman at gmail.com  Mon Sep  3 15:36:03 2018
From: ghyoungman at gmail.com (Grant Youngman)
Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2018 15:36:03 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3: Audio settings
In-Reply-To: <bb057ff5-ea82-5e46-85e8-b5eb72db2701@nycap.rr.com>
References: <1870462403.399512.1535994751566@mail.yahoo.com>
	<bb057ff5-ea82-5e46-85e8-b5eb72db2701@nycap.rr.com>
Message-ID: <AFB93709-65FD-4291-AD3F-FDF547C7A9A2@gmail.com>

Feed the line-out into a P-P 6V6 amp (e.g., Eico HF-20, Heath A-9x, an old 6V6 PA amp, etc.) and into a pair (or one if your?e not using both output channels) of bass reflex speakers or AR-somethings.  

I did that with a string of pre-K3 ?modern? radios (and quite a few vintage radios with puny audio output), including the K3 for a while, before a major downsizing of stuff.  Worked and played great.  Now I just use a pair of E?craft SP-3s on my K3, which work fine .. and are a lot easier to move around :-)  I have no complaints about K3 audio.

Since the days of big 6V6 audio in vintage gear (think SX-28, NC-183D, etc), radio vendors have mostly paid attention to everything but audio stage quality.  Maybe the new output stage in the K3S makes a big difference .. not owning one, (unfortunately, E?craft didn't make the new main board available for upgrade) I couldn?t say.  But if you pick the audio up at line-out and amplify it with a decent amp and good speakers, you won?t be disappointed with the result.

Grant NQ5T
K3 #2091 KX3 #8342

> On Sep 3, 2018, at 2:46 PM, Bill <billclarke at nycap.rr.com> wrote:
> 
> In the real world, is that "theoretical" improvement noticeable? The improvement I am looking for is significant - not small or incremental. Perhaps it is more than the K3 can provide?
> 



From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Mon Sep  3 16:08:40 2018
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2018 15:08:40 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3: Audio settings
In-Reply-To: <6074FF54-8E09-407A-B893-03C501109BE5@voodoolab.com>
References: <8e691120-814a-6e37-6ca8-9495295ef1c5@nycap.rr.com>
	<b1e69d34-6dd7-5571-4327-222082a6e73c@blomand.net>
	<5A628E5E-51A9-4F70-8FD0-AF5D8725FAF9@voodoolab.com>
	<71b355cc-b91d-7467-bf20-15e65f23b1ce@blomand.net>
	<6074FF54-8E09-407A-B893-03C501109BE5@voodoolab.com>
Message-ID: <541d57ff-d33f-2000-ecbb-b48401004a5b@blomand.net>

Don't shortchange yourself by looking at only 1 or 2 parameters.

Here's the list.? Some items can be upgraded in a K3 to make it almost 
to the level of a K3S.


** Ultra low-noise synthesizer for exceptional strong-signal receive 
performance and transmit signal purity (KSYN3A)

** USB port?integrates remote control and line-level audio, eliminating 
the need for a PC sound card and audio cables

** Second preamp for 12-6 m weak signal work (on included KXV3B module)

** Multiple attenuators, providing steps of -5/-10/-15 dB

** Enhanced look and feel, with new LCD bezel, soft-touch VFO knob

** Lower-Loss ATU option with true bypass relay (KAT3A)

** Redesigned AF output circuitry for outstanding speaker audio

** Accurate, high-speed CW transmit even in SPLIT mode

** Coverage of the 630-meter band (~470 kHz), and lower1


Yes, I'm convinced there is a difference.


73
Bob, K4TAX



From josh at voodoolab.com  Mon Sep  3 16:36:55 2018
From: josh at voodoolab.com (Josh Fiden)
Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2018 13:36:55 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3: Audio settings
In-Reply-To: <541d57ff-d33f-2000-ecbb-b48401004a5b@blomand.net>
References: <8e691120-814a-6e37-6ca8-9495295ef1c5@nycap.rr.com>
	<b1e69d34-6dd7-5571-4327-222082a6e73c@blomand.net>
	<5A628E5E-51A9-4F70-8FD0-AF5D8725FAF9@voodoolab.com>
	<71b355cc-b91d-7467-bf20-15e65f23b1ce@blomand.net>
	<6074FF54-8E09-407A-B893-03C501109BE5@voodoolab.com>
	<541d57ff-d33f-2000-ecbb-b48401004a5b@blomand.net>
Message-ID: <08A46CE5-8DCC-4D5D-A05F-2C927CC78107@voodoolab.com>

Embedded comments. I'm a contester & weak signal VHF exclusively. YMMV

Sent from my mobile device

> On Sep 3, 2018, at 1:08 PM, Bob McGraw K4TAX <rmcgraw at blomand.net> wrote:
> 
> Don't shortchange yourself by looking at only 1 or 2 parameters.
> 
> Here's the list.  Some items can be upgraded in a K3 to make it almost to the level of a K3S.
> 
> 
> ** Ultra low-noise synthesizer for exceptional strong-signal receive performance and transmit signal purity (KSYN3A)
Agree, have the upgrade. 
> 
> ** USB port?integrates remote control and line-level audio, eliminating the need for a PC sound card and audio cables
Don't care, no performance improvement. 
> 
> ** Second preamp for 12-6 m weak signal work (on included KXV3B module)
Have outboard preamp. No performance improvement from what I have, yes? If I wanted to improve on this I'd get a better outboard preamp or use something mast mounted for 6m. However, already running fairly short 1-1/4 Heliax so minimal improvement doesn't justify the complexity. 
> 
> ** Multiple attenuators, providing steps of -5/-10/-15 dB
You got me here. Stock single setting attenuator seems fine, but maybe I'd love having 3 steps on HF?
> 
> ** Enhanced look and feel, with new LCD bezel, soft-touch VFO knob
Function over form for me! Decidedly don't care!!
> 
> ** Lower-Loss ATU option with true bypass relay (KAT3A)
The only time I've used internal ATU is at Field Day. Running LP I use KAT500 since it has my antennas memorized. Plus another outboard tuner for legal limit. Am I missing anything?
> 
> ** Redesigned AF output circuitry for outstanding speaker audio
As noted only use the speaker for beeps (JT, RTTY, ..). 
> 
> ** Accurate, high-speed CW transmit even in SPLIT mode
I thought this came with the new synthesizer? Am I missing something here? High speed CW for me is low 30s ;) 
> 
> ** Coverage of the 630-meter band (~470 kHz), and lower1
I'm more a VHF guy than VLF, hi. Isn't this available with new synth? Are there any 630m contests? 

73
Josh


> 
> 


From leif.hoffmann at telia.com  Mon Sep  3 18:28:08 2018
From: leif.hoffmann at telia.com (Leif Hoffmann)
Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2018 00:28:08 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] [K2] Overall adjustment - and a little bit more ..
Message-ID: <000001d443d5$64894600$2d9bd200$@telia.com>

From: SM4MNC, Leif Hoffmann

 

I have just finished building K2 #7836. A very great pleasure and about a
ton of fun too, and I sincerely hope that this "100% solder kit" will remain
in the future!

My kit was from the summer sale and contained the K2, the SSB- module, noise
blanker and antenna tuner.

Everything went almost flawless: Under Alignment and test, Part 2 there was
absolutely nothing to be heard in the headphones! What now? The problem
solved itself when I found the bag with the surface mount IF-amplifier U12.
The step to mount it was described in the errata and I had just missed that
small detail! When installed, there were no more problems here.

 

I did the initial adjustments, the transmitter and receiver were functioning
- perhaps the filters did not match perfectly, but that was a
"software-problem" to be solved later!

The SSB-unit, noise-blanker, and finally the antenna-tuner were built and
put in the radio, and everything seemed to work as it should. What an
amazing little radio this is!!

 

Two more things: 

1.     In my K2 there is absolutely no space between the encoder and the
front panel. Not even the best flush-cutter in the world will give enough
space there. I have read in the Elecraft Archives of paper-bits etc. I have
put on double layers of adhesive tape (tape for electrical purposes) with
the advantage that it doesn't get dislodged when you remove the control
board next time.

2.     During the assembly there were some very small (in value) capacitors,
that in my kit not were similar to the pictures in the parts list, but
thanks to Stephanie, Leony, Johanna and all the other packers of the
subassemblies, I could simply rely on the number of the remaining parts (no
more - no less) and after a little examination of the parts, the problem got
a solution and as the radio is functioning, it seems that I have got all
parts in the right places!

 

Overall I can say that building the hardware actually were "the easy part"
and I have learned a lot in the process. Thanks, Elecraft!

 

BUT: I have read, and re-read many times both in the main manual and the
manual that comes with the KSB2 concerning the adjustments. The envelope
with the filter crystals for the KSB2 were marked E850006 and 3228-1,
180611. I could not recognize any of these as a calibration number between
3.2 and 3.9, so I used 3.6 as described, and when I came to the filter setup
I did exactly as shown in table 3 - with catastrophic result !! The FL1 -
under OP1 and LSB- were so high-pitch that it was practically useless, and
this is the filter-setting that I probably will use the most! With an
antenna and the loudspeaker mounted I adjusted the freq. to more like 4914.1
- 4914.2 than the 4913.5 that comes from the table. The ideal would of
course be to sweep the filters with appropriate equipment - which I have
none!

So that now I have all the filters (both for SSB and CW) adjusted "by ear".
I do have a radio that I can use, even if it's not optimal. It's pleasant to
listen to and a couple of good reports "on air" too. I just wonder: How many
of the previous kit-builders have experienced the same problems - and done
what I have done?

 

Finally: How accurate are the settings over time? The 4 MHz oscillator on
the control board is of course the most critical part here. But - yesterday
evening I had the radio adjusted to within +/- 10 Hz compared to my big
transceiver. When I turned on the K2 today it was about 320 Hz high. I have
- again - re-run the frequency calibration procedure, the CAL PLL and now
again the display shows inside of +/- 20 Hz. Can this be a temperature
problem? It was rather warm in my shack yesterday and pretty cold today when
I came in.

The small capacitor C22 is of course critical here! And a small suggestion:
The adjustment would be much more calm if there were two trim-capacitors.
One 8-50 pF(as C22 is), and in parallel with that another adjustable
capacitor on 1-2 pF for the fine-adjustment.

 

Naturally, I don't expect this little radio to have the same stability as my
big radio, with its X-tal oven and that can zero-in on WWV to within +/- 1
Hz, but on the other hand, I don't know what to expect from the K2. Will it
be within +/- 10 Hz, +/- 100 Hz or perhaps +/- 500 Hz? How will it perform
under field conditions? Actually, it is not that very important, as long as
my #7836 performs "as expected". Can you say anything about what stability I
can expect from a K2?

 

Yours,

 

SM4MNC, Leif

 


From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Mon Sep  3 19:07:11 2018
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2018 16:07:11 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3: Audio settings
In-Reply-To: <08A46CE5-8DCC-4D5D-A05F-2C927CC78107@voodoolab.com>
References: <8e691120-814a-6e37-6ca8-9495295ef1c5@nycap.rr.com>
	<b1e69d34-6dd7-5571-4327-222082a6e73c@blomand.net>
	<5A628E5E-51A9-4F70-8FD0-AF5D8725FAF9@voodoolab.com>
	<71b355cc-b91d-7467-bf20-15e65f23b1ce@blomand.net>
	<6074FF54-8E09-407A-B893-03C501109BE5@voodoolab.com>
	<541d57ff-d33f-2000-ecbb-b48401004a5b@blomand.net>
	<08A46CE5-8DCC-4D5D-A05F-2C927CC78107@voodoolab.com>
Message-ID: <146e47dd-e8e0-b5c2-0378-177bd4f6a4b0@audiosystemsgroup.com>

My uses are pretty similar to Josh's. As soon as they were available,I 
added the new synth boards, and the KXVB board to get the better preamp 
to my early (2008) K3s . Like Josh, I have several good USB audio 
interfaces, including a Tascam US100 and Numark Stereo I/O.

73, Jim K9YC

On 9/3/2018 1:36 PM, Josh Fiden wrote:
> Embedded comments. I'm a contester & weak signal VHF exclusively. YMMV
>
> Sent from my mobile device
>
>> On Sep 3, 2018, at 1:08 PM, Bob McGraw K4TAX <rmcgraw at blomand.net> wrote:
>>
>> Don't shortchange yourself by looking at only 1 or 2 parameters.
>>
>> Here's the list.  Some items can be upgraded in a K3 to make it almost to the level of a K3S.
>>
>>
>> ** Ultra low-noise synthesizer for exceptional strong-signal receive performance and transmit signal purity (KSYN3A)
> Agree, have the upgrade.
>> ** USB port?integrates remote control and line-level audio, eliminating the need for a PC sound card and audio cables
> Don't care, no performance improvement.
>> ** Second preamp for 12-6 m weak signal work (on included KXV3B module)
> Have outboard preamp. No performance improvement from what I have, yes? If I wanted to improve on this I'd get a better outboard preamp or use something mast mounted for 6m. However, already running fairly short 1-1/4 Heliax so minimal improvement doesn't justify the complexity.
>> ** Multiple attenuators, providing steps of -5/-10/-15 dB
> You got me here. Stock single setting attenuator seems fine, but maybe I'd love having 3 steps on HF?
>> ** Enhanced look and feel, with new LCD bezel, soft-touch VFO knob
> Function over form for me! Decidedly don't care!!
>> ** Lower-Loss ATU option with true bypass relay (KAT3A)
> The only time I've used internal ATU is at Field Day. Running LP I use KAT500 since it has my antennas memorized. Plus another outboard tuner for legal limit. Am I missing anything?
>> ** Redesigned AF output circuitry for outstanding speaker audio
> As noted only use the speaker for beeps (JT, RTTY, ..).
>> ** Accurate, high-speed CW transmit even in SPLIT mode
> I thought this came with the new synthesizer? Am I missing something here? High speed CW for me is low 30s ;)
>> ** Coverage of the 630-meter band (~470 kHz), and lower1
> I'm more a VHF guy than VLF, hi. Isn't this available with new synth? Are there any 630m contests?
>
> 73
> Josh
>
>
>>
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From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Mon Sep  3 19:26:58 2018
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2018 19:26:58 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3: Audio settings
In-Reply-To: <bb057ff5-ea82-5e46-85e8-b5eb72db2701@nycap.rr.com>
References: <1870462403.399512.1535994751566@mail.yahoo.com>
	<bb057ff5-ea82-5e46-85e8-b5eb72db2701@nycap.rr.com>
Message-ID: <6f2f6b82-4585-fe16-274f-77ca00a4b2af@embarqmail.com>

Bill,

Audio - If you are judging from the internal speaker, all I can say is 
"don't do that", the audio is not representative of what the K3 can do. 
Either use headphones or good quality external speakers for a good audio 
sound from the K3.

The K3 to K3S options will not improve the K3 audio.  The new synths 
will improve the RX and TX phase noise (and usable sensitivity) 
considerably, and the KXV3B will improve the preamp selection on the 
higher bands.  The KIO3B is more of an operating convenience IMHO by 
virtue of its internal USB to USB converter and the internal soundcard. 
Worthy of adding if you do not have RS-232 ports on your computer.

If your operation is mainly casual, you will not notice the difference, 
but if you are into contesting and DXing, the ability to "saddle up" to 
a strong station close to your operating frequency will be quite noticeable.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 9/3/2018 2:46 PM, Bill wrote:
> In the real world, is that "theoretical" improvement noticeable? The 
> improvement I am looking for is significant - not small or incremental. 
> Perhaps it is more than the K3 can provide?

From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Mon Sep  3 19:56:20 2018
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2018 19:56:20 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] [K2] Overall adjustment - and a little bit more ..
In-Reply-To: <000001d443d5$64894600$2d9bd200$@telia.com>
References: <000001d443d5$64894600$2d9bd200$@telia.com>
Message-ID: <2fc47415-3ca1-6dbf-39bb-bee486be1b89@embarqmail.com>

Leif,

The temperature stability of your K2 (after a 5 minute warmup period) 
should be within 20 Hz if the dial calibration and Filter BFO settings 
are correct.

You can easily optimize your filters and calibrate the dial readings on 
your K2.
The 4 MHz Reference Oscillator only needs to be correct just before 
running the CAL PLL and CAL FIL routines.  At other times, it is not 
used dynamically and only serves as a clock for the MCU.
The DAC values for the PLL and BFO are stored in EEPROM and are used in 
normal operation for displaying the K2 dial frequency, the 4 MHz 
Reference Oscillator is not used, and it can drift substantially and not 
cause any variation in the K2 frequency.

The BFO stabilty should be good unless you have mounted L33 in a manner 
where the toroid can move with temperature, and the "Thermistor Board" 
provides good temperature stability for the PLL Reference Oscillator.
If you experience extreme temperature swings when operating, you may be 
able to modify the amount of compensation by changing the value of RA on 
the thermistor board.  Download the PLL Upgrade instructions from 
http://www.elecraft.com/manual/E740046%20PLL%20upgrd%20old%20K2s%20-%20Option%20Rev%20E.pdf 
for details on how to move the RA value.

Your K2 should be frequency stable within a few HZ, but give it 5 
minutes for initial warmup.

There is information about setting the K2 dial calibration on my website 
www.w3fpr.com.

For optimizing the filter response, the only equipment you need is an 
audio spectrum analyzer running on your computer, and a broadband noise 
source feeding the K2 antenna.  Band noise on a portion of the band 
without signals can be used if you do not have a broadband noise 
generator such as the Elecraft N-Gen.

Information about optimizing your K2 filters can be found both at my 
website and at 
http://www.mmccs.com/mmarc/n0ss/k2_filters_using_gram_v5r17.pdf

If you are running a Windows computer and need Spectrogram, it is 
available on my website www.w3fpr.com.  Scroll down on the opening page, 
the links are near the bottom.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 9/3/2018 6:28 PM, Leif Hoffmann wrote:
> From: SM4MNC, Leif Hoffmann
> 
>   
> 
> I have just finished building K2 #7836. A very great pleasure and about a
> ton of fun too, and I sincerely hope that this "100% solder kit" will remain
> in the future!
> 
> My kit was from the summer sale and contained the K2, the SSB- module, noise
> blanker and antenna tuner.
> 
> Everything went almost flawless: Under Alignment and test, Part 2 there was
> absolutely nothing to be heard in the headphones! What now? The problem
> solved itself when I found the bag with the surface mount IF-amplifier U12.
> The step to mount it was described in the errata and I had just missed that
> small detail! When installed, there were no more problems here.
> 
>   
> 
> I did the initial adjustments, the transmitter and receiver were functioning
> - perhaps the filters did not match perfectly, but that was a
> "software-problem" to be solved later!
> 
> The SSB-unit, noise-blanker, and finally the antenna-tuner were built and
> put in the radio, and everything seemed to work as it should. What an
> amazing little radio this is!!
> 
>   
> 
> Two more things:
> 
> 1.     In my K2 there is absolutely no space between the encoder and the
> front panel. Not even the best flush-cutter in the world will give enough
> space there. I have read in the Elecraft Archives of paper-bits etc. I have
> put on double layers of adhesive tape (tape for electrical purposes) with
> the advantage that it doesn't get dislodged when you remove the control
> board next time.
> 
> 2.     During the assembly there were some very small (in value) capacitors,
> that in my kit not were similar to the pictures in the parts list, but
> thanks to Stephanie, Leony, Johanna and all the other packers of the
> subassemblies, I could simply rely on the number of the remaining parts (no
> more - no less) and after a little examination of the parts, the problem got
> a solution and as the radio is functioning, it seems that I have got all
> parts in the right places!
> 
>   
> 
> Overall I can say that building the hardware actually were "the easy part"
> and I have learned a lot in the process. Thanks, Elecraft!
> 
>   
> 
> BUT: I have read, and re-read many times both in the main manual and the
> manual that comes with the KSB2 concerning the adjustments. The envelope
> with the filter crystals for the KSB2 were marked E850006 and 3228-1,
> 180611. I could not recognize any of these as a calibration number between
> 3.2 and 3.9, so I used 3.6 as described, and when I came to the filter setup
> I did exactly as shown in table 3 - with catastrophic result !! The FL1 -
> under OP1 and LSB- were so high-pitch that it was practically useless, and
> this is the filter-setting that I probably will use the most! With an
> antenna and the loudspeaker mounted I adjusted the freq. to more like 4914.1
> - 4914.2 than the 4913.5 that comes from the table. The ideal would of
> course be to sweep the filters with appropriate equipment - which I have
> none!
> 
> So that now I have all the filters (both for SSB and CW) adjusted "by ear".
> I do have a radio that I can use, even if it's not optimal. It's pleasant to
> listen to and a couple of good reports "on air" too. I just wonder: How many
> of the previous kit-builders have experienced the same problems - and done
> what I have done?
> 
>   
> 
> Finally: How accurate are the settings over time? The 4 MHz oscillator on
> the control board is of course the most critical part here. But - yesterday
> evening I had the radio adjusted to within +/- 10 Hz compared to my big
> transceiver. When I turned on the K2 today it was about 320 Hz high. I have
> - again - re-run the frequency calibration procedure, the CAL PLL and now
> again the display shows inside of +/- 20 Hz. Can this be a temperature
> problem? It was rather warm in my shack yesterday and pretty cold today when
> I came in.
> 
> The small capacitor C22 is of course critical here! And a small suggestion:
> The adjustment would be much more calm if there were two trim-capacitors.
> One 8-50 pF(as C22 is), and in parallel with that another adjustable
> capacitor on 1-2 pF for the fine-adjustment.
> 
>   
> 
> Naturally, I don't expect this little radio to have the same stability as my
> big radio, with its X-tal oven and that can zero-in on WWV to within +/- 1
> Hz, but on the other hand, I don't know what to expect from the K2. Will it
> be within +/- 10 Hz, +/- 100 Hz or perhaps +/- 500 Hz? How will it perform
> under field conditions? Actually, it is not that very important, as long as
> my #7836 performs "as expected". Can you say anything about what stability I
> can expect from a K2?

From billclarke at nycap.rr.com  Tue Sep  4 09:50:56 2018
From: billclarke at nycap.rr.com (Bill)
Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2018 09:50:56 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3: Audio settings
In-Reply-To: <6f2f6b82-4585-fe16-274f-77ca00a4b2af@embarqmail.com>
References: <6f2f6b82-4585-fe16-274f-77ca00a4b2af@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <ff97b040-a120-6c4e-ea3a-acde69cfcec6@nycap.rr.com>

Don, you make me laugh. Internal speakers are a joke - never heard one, 
since the 50s when I got started in radio, worth listening to. Why they 
don't just leave it at a SPKR jack and a PHONES jack is beyond me.

Bill W2BLC - K-line


From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Tue Sep  4 11:21:35 2018
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2018 11:21:35 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3: Audio settings
In-Reply-To: <ff97b040-a120-6c4e-ea3a-acde69cfcec6@nycap.rr.com>
References: <6f2f6b82-4585-fe16-274f-77ca00a4b2af@embarqmail.com>
	<ff97b040-a120-6c4e-ea3a-acde69cfcec6@nycap.rr.com>
Message-ID: <599ba9e6-1e30-0ac0-52b0-1beed575ca84@embarqmail.com>

Bill,

Yes, I agree.  We had a phone station at Field Day where the operator 
used his own rig with an internal speaker (I think it was an Icom), and 
the sound was so grating to my ears that I thought about cutting his 
coax!  I don't know how the operator deciphered the calls and reports.
That is a "to be fixed" situation for next year's Field Day.

I was at the CW station where we used headphones with the internal 
speaker turned up only enough to let others nearby hear what was going 
on, and it sounded OK, but not great.  I should have brought my external 
speakers for the K3 CW station.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 9/4/2018 9:50 AM, Bill wrote:
> Don, you make me laugh. Internal speakers are a joke - never heard one, 
> since the 50s when I got started in radio, worth listening to. Why they 
> don't just leave it at a SPKR jack and a PHONES jack is beyond me.
> 
> Bill W2BLC - K-line
> 
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From k6dgw at foothill.net  Tue Sep  4 13:44:30 2018
From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen)
Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2018 10:44:30 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3: Audio settings
In-Reply-To: <ff97b040-a120-6c4e-ea3a-acde69cfcec6@nycap.rr.com>
References: <6f2f6b82-4585-fe16-274f-77ca00a4b2af@embarqmail.com>
	<ff97b040-a120-6c4e-ea3a-acde69cfcec6@nycap.rr.com>
Message-ID: <148b0406-c7b3-59b4-3888-5a675794519b@foothill.net>

A number of years ago, I inherited an SX-28 and the big bass reflex 
speaker with the cut-out "h" in the center.? It gave new meaning to the 
term "armchair copy."

73,

Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

On 9/4/2018 6:50 AM, Bill wrote:
> Don, you make me laugh. Internal speakers are a joke - never heard 
> one, since the 50s when I got started in radio, worth listening to. 
> Why they don't just leave it at a SPKR jack and a PHONES jack is 
> beyond me.
>
> Bill W2BLC - K-line
>


From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Tue Sep  4 17:46:45 2018
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2018 16:46:45 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3: Audio settings
In-Reply-To: <148b0406-c7b3-59b4-3888-5a675794519b@foothill.net>
References: <6f2f6b82-4585-fe16-274f-77ca00a4b2af@embarqmail.com>
	<ff97b040-a120-6c4e-ea3a-acde69cfcec6@nycap.rr.com>
	<148b0406-c7b3-59b4-3888-5a675794519b@foothill.net>
Message-ID: <A12678DF-E9C7-400C-A0FD-E7F30EC335C9@blomand.net>

Yes, well most of those are good sounding and......are larger than our radios on our desks today.  Small speakers can be expected to produce small sound. Small as in acoustic output and limited frequency response.   Just laws of Physics.  Don't expect to modify those laws. 

Bob, K4TAX


Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 4, 2018, at 12:44 PM, Fred Jensen <k6dgw at foothill.net> wrote:
> 
> A number of years ago, I inherited an SX-28 and the big bass reflex speaker with the cut-out "h" in the center.  It gave new meaning to the term "armchair copy."
> 
> 73,
> 
> Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
> Sparks NV DM09dn
> Washoe County
> 
>> On 9/4/2018 6:50 AM, Bill wrote:
>> Don, you make me laugh. Internal speakers are a joke - never heard one, since the 50s when I got started in radio, worth listening to. Why they don't just leave it at a SPKR jack and a PHONES jack is beyond me.
>> 
>> Bill W2BLC - K-line
>> 
> 
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From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Tue Sep  4 18:15:17 2018
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2018 18:15:17 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3: Audio settings
In-Reply-To: <A12678DF-E9C7-400C-A0FD-E7F30EC335C9@blomand.net>
References: <6f2f6b82-4585-fe16-274f-77ca00a4b2af@embarqmail.com>
	<ff97b040-a120-6c4e-ea3a-acde69cfcec6@nycap.rr.com>
	<148b0406-c7b3-59b4-3888-5a675794519b@foothill.net>
	<A12678DF-E9C7-400C-A0FD-E7F30EC335C9@blomand.net>
Message-ID: <a93e8942-37f2-26e1-b0a0-d59871c707bf@embarqmail.com>

The K3 can sound really good if one uses external speakers on the 
K3/K3S.  If you do not have high quality (Hi-Fi) speakers that you can 
use with the K3/K3S, then the matching SP3 speakers are an excellent choice.

I was fortunate enough to pick up a pair of Radio Shack Minimus speakers 
at a 2nd hand store for $5.00 each - they do very well in my shack.

The speakers that will produce all the audio nuances that are possible 
are those with a wide range response, so Hi-Fi speakers qualify for that 
aspect.  Others with a restricted audio range such as those with DSP 
will limit the full range audio available from the K3/K3S.

In other words, the audio response of the radio should be clearly 
reproduced by the speakers.  The response by the small internal speaker 
is necessarily limited, but good wide range external speaker will 
deliver the sound that the radio is capable of.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 9/4/2018 5:46 PM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote:
> Yes, well most of those are good sounding and......are larger than our radios on our desks today.  Small speakers can be expected to produce small sound. Small as in acoustic output and limited frequency response.   Just laws of Physics.  Don't expect to modify those laws.
> 
> Bob, K4TAX
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 4, 2018, at 12:44 PM, Fred Jensen <k6dgw at foothill.net> wrote:
>>
>> A number of years ago, I inherited an SX-28 and the big bass reflex speaker with the cut-out "h" in the center.  It gave new meaning to the term "armchair copy."
>>
>> 73,
>>
>> Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
>> Sparks NV DM09dn
>> Washoe County
>>
>>> On 9/4/2018 6:50 AM, Bill wrote:
>>> Don, you make me laugh. Internal speakers are a joke - never heard one, since the 50s when I got started in radio, worth listening to. Why they don't just leave it at a SPKR jack and a PHONES jack is beyond me.
>>>
>>> Bill W2BLC - K-line
>>>
>>
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From wes_n7ws at triconet.org  Tue Sep  4 19:13:56 2018
From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes Stewart)
Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2018 16:13:56 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3: Audio settings
In-Reply-To: <a93e8942-37f2-26e1-b0a0-d59871c707bf@embarqmail.com>
References: <6f2f6b82-4585-fe16-274f-77ca00a4b2af@embarqmail.com>
	<ff97b040-a120-6c4e-ea3a-acde69cfcec6@nycap.rr.com>
	<148b0406-c7b3-59b4-3888-5a675794519b@foothill.net>
	<A12678DF-E9C7-400C-A0FD-E7F30EC335C9@blomand.net>
	<a93e8942-37f2-26e1-b0a0-d59871c707bf@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <e5b1f599-c5c8-37e4-fedf-08661afd8979@triconet.org>

I second that.? I have (had) a half dozen of these (one seems to have gone 
missing) to use on my K3 and K3S.? That said, I seldom use anything but 
headphones, unless a visitor is in the shack.

Wes? N7WS

On 9/4/2018 3:15 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
> The K3 can sound really good if one uses external speakers on the K3/K3S.? If 
> you do not have high quality (Hi-Fi) speakers that you can use with the 
> K3/K3S, then the matching SP3 speakers are an excellent choice.
>
> I was fortunate enough to pick up a pair of Radio Shack Minimus speakers at a 
> 2nd hand store for $5.00 each - they do very well in my shack. 


From ardrhi at gmail.com  Tue Sep  4 20:05:12 2018
From: ardrhi at gmail.com (Gwen Patton)
Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2018 20:05:12 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] 30m keyboard interference
Message-ID: <CA+nQa2M2Hz7H4goToxkOYd2hVaCqeLNrxLnaW9PzvrA97-Z8Vw@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks to everyone with input on my keyboard issues.

I managed to solve it today. I also have been exploring other issues
suggested regarding RF and current in the shack, and have a choke on its
way that should help with that, but I received one part first: a new
keyboard.

I'd been using a Kinesis Freestyle 2 ergonomic wired keyboard for the PX3,
but the new one is an inexpensive Amazon Basics 2.4ghz wireless keyboard. I
got right on 30m in PSK31 mode, and got ZERO extraneous characters or other
garbage in my keyboard buffer. I didn't have much time to experiment, but
did have time to test it on RTTY as well and still got no extraneous
characters. My guess is that the stray RF was getting into the keyboard's
cable between the two halves of the unique split keyboard. That cable is
not shielded, or not well, and was a prime target for stray currents or
emissions. The wireless keyboard has no such vulnerability, and thus no
entry point for garbage.

It also would seem that my brief test on 30m PSK was detected by an
operator in Wisconsin, as I got an email from "PropNET", something similar
to PSKReporter, that logged my signal. The timing, band, frequency, and
mode were all consistent with when I was testing, so I was at least heard
1200+ miles from home on 4 watts. I consider that a win, even though it
wasn't a proper QSO.

I'll still be taking steps to deal with stray RF and common mode current in
the shack anyway -- it's good operating practice in any case.

Thanks again for all of your good suggestions!

73,
Gwen NG3P

-- 

-+-+-+-+-
Jenny Everywhere's Infinite: Quark Time
http://quarktime.net

From mike at rioux.org  Wed Sep  5 09:36:29 2018
From: mike at rioux.org (Michael P. Rioux)
Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2018 09:36:29 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft items for sale
In-Reply-To: <CAOmNKGJKVi-3Nb_UfdmM1j+GpYiWZqm+GiEr8QgP88Rp+x7evg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAOmNKGJ0j+ZtXz+t+AXX9tEWHQExnkXDijEUDWSHi+eFbTBbSw@mail.gmail.com>
	<4E483487-0663-4857-B664-E6BC866C06F3@zoominternet.net>
	<CAOmNKGJKVi-3Nb_UfdmM1j+GpYiWZqm+GiEr8QgP88Rp+x7evg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AE7A2CE8-ECD2-4EAE-BA5A-79FFB8967CCE@rioux.org>

Hi,
I have a K1 and K2 that I?d like to sell. 
Plus some other QRP-releated items.

Full details are on my website at www.rioux.org <http://www.rioux.org/>.

Items can be shipped or picked up at the Boxboro MA Hamfest this weekend if desired.

Thanks and 73,
Mike W1USN


Si vis pacem, para bellum

Michael P. Rioux, CISSP-ISSEP
w1usn at arrl.net <mailto:w1usn at arrl.net>


From jt.tobit at gmail.com  Wed Sep  5 11:10:05 2018
From: jt.tobit at gmail.com (JT Croteau)
Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2018 11:10:05 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] For Sale: KX3
Message-ID: <CAErVL1tYF6tTz2ZFzmVNPbqF73Mj2By3pUL+Y63z98oKTjdMww@mail.gmail.com>

I really don't want to sell this but one has to do what one has to do at times.

I am selling a really nice KX3.  I bought it from Elecraft last year
and haven't even had a QSO on it yet,  have used it on RX and dummy
load only.

KX3 with the following:
... KXAT3 Antenna Tuner
... KXBC3 Charger/Clock with 8 Bonai 2800 mAh LSD Batteries
... KX3-PCKT Accessory Cable Set

Aftermarket Add-Ons:
SideKX Panels and Cover
Kx32 Heatsink
Kx33 "Low-Noise" Power Supply

I am asking $1235.00 and this includes Priority Mail shipping.  PayPal
is preferred, talk to me off-list if interested. Radio will ship from
my New Hampshire QTH not my Missouri QTH.

Thanks, N1ESE

From jt.tobit at gmail.com  Wed Sep  5 12:38:04 2018
From: jt.tobit at gmail.com (JT Croteau)
Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2018 12:38:04 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] For Sale: KX3
In-Reply-To: <CAErVL1tYF6tTz2ZFzmVNPbqF73Mj2By3pUL+Y63z98oKTjdMww@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAErVL1tYF6tTz2ZFzmVNPbqF73Mj2By3pUL+Y63z98oKTjdMww@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAErVL1uhto1LXXT0bXirm-MxBU3rEvKrE2PTF6tnhk5ZDEk4eA@mail.gmail.com>

My KX3 has been sold.  Thanks for the interest.

72


On Wed, Sep 5, 2018, 11:10 JT Croteau <jt.tobit at gmail.com> wrote:

> I really don't want to sell this but one has to do what one has to do at
> times.
>
> I am selling a really nice KX3.  I bought it from Elecraft last year
> and haven't even had a QSO on it yet,  have used it on RX and dummy
> load only.
>
> KX3 with the following:
> ... KXAT3 Antenna Tuner
> ... KXBC3 Charger/Clock with 8 Bonai 2800 mAh LSD Batteries
> ... KX3-PCKT Accessory Cable Set
>
> Aftermarket Add-Ons:
> SideKX Panels and Cover
> Kx32 Heatsink
> Kx33 "Low-Noise" Power Supply
>
> I am asking $1235.00 and this includes Priority Mail shipping.  PayPal
> is preferred, talk to me off-list if interested. Radio will ship from
> my New Hampshire QTH not my Missouri QTH.
>
> Thanks, N1ESE
>

From KI5IO at gmx.us  Wed Sep  5 14:03:20 2018
From: KI5IO at gmx.us (Nolan Kienitz)
Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2018 13:03:20 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] FS: SP3
Message-ID: <000001d44542$bc52d450$34f87cf0$@gmx.us>

Excellent Elecraft SP3 speaker that is excess to my station's needs.
Shipped in original packing from Elecraft.
$140.00 plus shipping. PayPal is OK.
Contact me off list for more details. My data is QRZ is current.

73	Nolan Kienitz ? KI5IO
	KI5IO at gmx.us  



From aa4lr at arrl.net  Wed Sep  5 14:42:50 2018
From: aa4lr at arrl.net (Bill Coleman)
Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2018 14:42:50 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KAT100 - Reluctant to come on,
	K2 often displays "not inst"
In-Reply-To: <a5251fb5-2085-4761-561f-3c210e4f5341@embarqmail.com>
References: <2336AC02-9798-4F7C-866E-C82FA9B415DE@arrl.net>
	<CAERWXctBAHyz8Nb8FZFVXtOVYJOAtKSz0zjRgAA39aXo6jhC3Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<AF5EB7ED-FD31-4E2D-A0D9-0E83B9C5C5EA@arrl.net>
	<89870705-4656-0083-0ac1-a2469f8a7762@embarqmail.com>
	<10F9E070-ABB9-41FB-BFB6-853398AC13BC@arrl.net>
	<9e5a1f75-f2b4-bc0b-4d58-fba815734008@embarqmail.com>
	<5E1E252C-82EA-4AA2-AB53-DEDE39E21D39@arrl.net>
	<C78F01FB-6B30-4A7C-B519-A41EBA47FA65@arrl.net>
	<EDA2A724-A5F6-40AC-8825-CE5CCF1D5ED3@arrl.net>
	<a5251fb5-2085-4761-561f-3c210e4f5341@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <71643A07-14E2-42A8-997A-694102C6380D@arrl.net>

I?ve confirmed that 5V power on the output of U8 comes up IMMEDIATELY when the K2 is switched on. Q2 seems to be doing it?s job. However, the KAT100 will sit there without any LEDs for a while, sometimes seconds.

I?m beginning to wonder if Z1 is not oscillating right away. I need to check that. If there?s no clock signal, the chip won?t initialize, and miss the AUXBUS startup window.

I really can?t think of many other things that could cause this behavior.


> On Aug 21, 2018, at 4:23 PM, Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Bill,
> 
> The AUXBUS is NOT at fault.
> The parts to concentrate on are shown in the lower left corner of sheet 2 of the KAT100 manual.  Something there is not working reliably.  My first guess would be Q2, but it could be something else associated.
> 
> That entire powering circuit is controlled only by the 12CTRL signal from the K2.
> 
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
> 
> On 8/19/2018 9:32 PM, Bill Coleman wrote:
>> OK. I could use a little more help with this issue.
>> 
>> Let?s re-cap where we are.
>> 
>> Issue:
>> 
>> KAT100 doesn?t always turn on right away. When it does this, it may or may not switch low/high power LEDs when the power control is rotated. Pressing Ant 1/2 or Tune, the K2 will indicate ?not inst?. Sometimes it will power up just fine.
>> 
>> Observations:
>> 
>> - If powered on incorrectly, the KAT100 never ?recovers? ? if the K2 doesn?t see the KAT100 at power up, it never discovers it.
>> 
>> - Generally fails when unit is cold / not used in a while, will eventually work if turned and left on for several hours, then switched off and back on.
>> 
>> - KAT100 is receiving power before the K2 is switched on. When the K2 is switched on the 12CTRL line on J3 pin 8 comes up immediately, and the 5V output from U8 does as well. So, power is immediately available when the K2 is switched on
>> 
>> - When the KAT100 works, the ANT 1/2 and Low / High Power LEDs light immediately on power-on.
>> 
>> - When the KAT100 fails, the ANT 1/2 and Low / High Power LEDs stay dark for a second or so, sometimes a few seconds
>> 
>> - AUXBUS transitions are coming in on J3 pin 6 and make it all the way to U1 Pin 40.
>> 
>> - I have two different interconnect cables. One is a three-way cable built exactly to the KAT100 specs, complete with jackscrews. The other is a simple two-way cable that connects Pin 1 and Pin 6-9 straight through with no jackscrews. Failure occurs with either cable.
>> 
>> - I have reseated the U1 chip in its socket with no change in behavior.
>> 
>> My current working theory is that there?s something in the KAT100 that prevents the U1 chip from resetting quickly. If it comes up immediately, the LEDs light and the K2 catches the unit during initialization. If its sleepy and doesn?t come up right away, it misses the opportunity to initialize and the K2 doesn?t know it is there. I think the antenna tuner and the low/high power indication are done in two separate initialization steps, because sometimes the KAT100 will respond to turning the power knob, and sometimes it won?t when the Ant 1/2 / Tune always responds with ?not inst?.
>> 
>> Nothing else in the K2 apparently suffers from any AUXBUS failures, all the other units - SSB, NB, DSP, KPA100 always come up right away. This makes me think the issue isn?t with the K2, but perhaps with the KAT100 alone.
>> 
>> Anyone have suggestions? I?d really like to make my K2/100 with KAT100 a reliable rig again. I don?t want to have to power it up a day before I want to use it.
>> 
> 

Bill Coleman, AA4LR, PP-ASEL        Mail: aa4lr at arrl.net
Web: http://boringhamradiopart.blogspot.com
Quote: "Not within a thousand years will man ever fly!"
            -- Wilbur Wright, 1901


From aa4lr at arrl.net  Wed Sep  5 14:42:53 2018
From: aa4lr at arrl.net (Bill Coleman)
Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2018 14:42:53 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KAT100 - Reluctant to come on,
	K2 often displays "not inst"
In-Reply-To: <a5251fb5-2085-4761-561f-3c210e4f5341@embarqmail.com>
References: <2336AC02-9798-4F7C-866E-C82FA9B415DE@arrl.net>
	<CAERWXctBAHyz8Nb8FZFVXtOVYJOAtKSz0zjRgAA39aXo6jhC3Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<AF5EB7ED-FD31-4E2D-A0D9-0E83B9C5C5EA@arrl.net>
	<89870705-4656-0083-0ac1-a2469f8a7762@embarqmail.com>
	<10F9E070-ABB9-41FB-BFB6-853398AC13BC@arrl.net>
	<9e5a1f75-f2b4-bc0b-4d58-fba815734008@embarqmail.com>
	<5E1E252C-82EA-4AA2-AB53-DEDE39E21D39@arrl.net>
	<C78F01FB-6B30-4A7C-B519-A41EBA47FA65@arrl.net>
	<EDA2A724-A5F6-40AC-8825-CE5CCF1D5ED3@arrl.net>
	<a5251fb5-2085-4761-561f-3c210e4f5341@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <B5863519-3E9E-4F66-9A2C-AE8AACD0A840@arrl.net>

OK, a final follow-up on this.

Since the 12CTRL signal resulted in 5V power at the regulator immediately, I racked by brain trying to figure out why The KAT100 would fail to light the LEDs for seconds, sometimes tens of seconds.

I decided the problem might have to do with the U1 clock. I put a scope probe on pins 13 and 14 of U1. While the KAT100 fails, these pins would float up to about 1 volt. When it worked, these pins would be at 0 volts, because the chip is sleeping! (the oscillator doesn?t run while the chip sleeps, to save battery power) So, it looked very much like the oscillator wasn?t starting reliably at power-on.

I hit the Z1 resonator with a heat gun, with no immediate effect. Later I nudged Z1 with a screwdriver, and the KAT100 suddenly came to life. Not sure if I had a bad device, or just a bad solder connection, I re-flowed the solder connections to Z1 and to pins 12-14 of U1, where they connect.

This seemed to work. I let everything cool down overnight, and checked it again in the morning. Oddly, the K2 was giving Info 080 and the KAT100 was failing again! I didn?t have time to diagnose.

Today, however, the K2 powered right up, and the KAT100 snapped to attention, both working flawlessly.

At the moment, I?m going to declare the mystery as being solved, and ignore the transient Info 080 issue. If it crops up again, I think I will replace Z1 on the KAT100. 

> On Aug 21, 2018, at 4:23 PM, Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Bill,
> 
> The AUXBUS is NOT at fault.
> The parts to concentrate on are shown in the lower left corner of sheet 2 of the KAT100 manual.  Something there is not working reliably.  My first guess would be Q2, but it could be something else associated.
> 
> That entire powering circuit is controlled only by the 12CTRL signal from the K2.
> 
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
> 
> On 8/19/2018 9:32 PM, Bill Coleman wrote:
>> OK. I could use a little more help with this issue.
>> 
>> Let?s re-cap where we are.
>> 
>> Issue:
>> 
>> KAT100 doesn?t always turn on right away. When it does this, it may or may not switch low/high power LEDs when the power control is rotated. Pressing Ant 1/2 or Tune, the K2 will indicate ?not inst?. Sometimes it will power up just fine.
>> 
>> Observations:
>> 
>> - If powered on incorrectly, the KAT100 never ?recovers? ? if the K2 doesn?t see the KAT100 at power up, it never discovers it.
>> 
>> - Generally fails when unit is cold / not used in a while, will eventually work if turned and left on for several hours, then switched off and back on.
>> 
>> - KAT100 is receiving power before the K2 is switched on. When the K2 is switched on the 12CTRL line on J3 pin 8 comes up immediately, and the 5V output from U8 does as well. So, power is immediately available when the K2 is switched on
>> 
>> - When the KAT100 works, the ANT 1/2 and Low / High Power LEDs light immediately on power-on.
>> 
>> - When the KAT100 fails, the ANT 1/2 and Low / High Power LEDs stay dark for a second or so, sometimes a few seconds
>> 
>> - AUXBUS transitions are coming in on J3 pin 6 and make it all the way to U1 Pin 40.
>> 
>> - I have two different interconnect cables. One is a three-way cable built exactly to the KAT100 specs, complete with jackscrews. The other is a simple two-way cable that connects Pin 1 and Pin 6-9 straight through with no jackscrews. Failure occurs with either cable.
>> 
>> - I have reseated the U1 chip in its socket with no change in behavior.
>> 
>> My current working theory is that there?s something in the KAT100 that prevents the U1 chip from resetting quickly. If it comes up immediately, the LEDs light and the K2 catches the unit during initialization. If its sleepy and doesn?t come up right away, it misses the opportunity to initialize and the K2 doesn?t know it is there. I think the antenna tuner and the low/high power indication are done in two separate initialization steps, because sometimes the KAT100 will respond to turning the power knob, and sometimes it won?t when the Ant 1/2 / Tune always responds with ?not inst?.
>> 
>> Nothing else in the K2 apparently suffers from any AUXBUS failures, all the other units - SSB, NB, DSP, KPA100 always come up right away. This makes me think the issue isn?t with the K2, but perhaps with the KAT100 alone.
>> 
>> Anyone have suggestions? I?d really like to make my K2/100 with KAT100 a reliable rig again. I don?t want to have to power it up a day before I want to use it.
>> 
> 

Bill Coleman, AA4LR, PP-ASEL        Mail: aa4lr at arrl.net
Web: http://boringhamradiopart.blogspot.com
Quote: "Not within a thousand years will man ever fly!"
            -- Wilbur Wright, 1901


From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Wed Sep  5 14:59:37 2018
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2018 14:59:37 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KAT100 - Reluctant to come on,
 K2 often displays "not inst"
In-Reply-To: <B5863519-3E9E-4F66-9A2C-AE8AACD0A840@arrl.net>
References: <2336AC02-9798-4F7C-866E-C82FA9B415DE@arrl.net>
	<CAERWXctBAHyz8Nb8FZFVXtOVYJOAtKSz0zjRgAA39aXo6jhC3Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<AF5EB7ED-FD31-4E2D-A0D9-0E83B9C5C5EA@arrl.net>
	<89870705-4656-0083-0ac1-a2469f8a7762@embarqmail.com>
	<10F9E070-ABB9-41FB-BFB6-853398AC13BC@arrl.net>
	<9e5a1f75-f2b4-bc0b-4d58-fba815734008@embarqmail.com>
	<5E1E252C-82EA-4AA2-AB53-DEDE39E21D39@arrl.net>
	<C78F01FB-6B30-4A7C-B519-A41EBA47FA65@arrl.net>
	<EDA2A724-A5F6-40AC-8825-CE5CCF1D5ED3@arrl.net>
	<a5251fb5-2085-4761-561f-3c210e4f5341@embarqmail.com>
	<B5863519-3E9E-4F66-9A2C-AE8AACD0A840@arrl.net>
Message-ID: <36a4bc01-65e5-4f78-688f-338c3166fc68@embarqmail.com>

Bill,

With that evidence, I would arbitrarily replace Z1.? Those 4MHz 
resonators are inexpensive.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 9/5/2018 2:42 PM, Bill Coleman wrote:
> OK, a final follow-up on this.
>
> Since the 12CTRL signal resulted in 5V power at the regulator immediately, I racked by brain trying to figure out why The KAT100 would fail to light the LEDs for seconds, sometimes tens of seconds.
>
> I decided the problem might have to do with the U1 clock. I put a scope probe on pins 13 and 14 of U1. While the KAT100 fails, these pins would float up to about 1 volt. When it worked, these pins would be at 0 volts, because the chip is sleeping! (the oscillator doesn?t run while the chip sleeps, to save battery power) So, it looked very much like the oscillator wasn?t starting reliably at power-on.
>
> I hit the Z1 resonator with a heat gun, with no immediate effect. Later I nudged Z1 with a screwdriver, and the KAT100 suddenly came to life. Not sure if I had a bad device, or just a bad solder connection, I re-flowed the solder connections to Z1 and to pins 12-14 of U1, where they connect.
>
> This seemed to work. I let everything cool down overnight, and checked it again in the morning. Oddly, the K2 was giving Info 080 and the KAT100 was failing again! I didn?t have time to diagnose.
>
> Today, however, the K2 powered right up, and the KAT100 snapped to attention, both working flawlessly.
>
> At the moment, I?m going to declare the mystery as being solved, and ignore the transient Info 080 issue. If it crops up again, I think I will replace Z1 on the KAT100.
>
>


From ebasilier at cox.net  Thu Sep  6 12:52:59 2018
From: ebasilier at cox.net (Erik Basilier)
Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2018 09:52:59 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] FS: 1.0 kHz roofing filter for K3 / K3S
Message-ID: <010701d44602$18a8edb0$49fac910$@cox.net>

$100 shipped to the lower 48.
Contact me by email off list.

73,
Erik K7TV


From bobdehaney at gmx.net  Thu Sep  6 13:57:05 2018
From: bobdehaney at gmx.net (Bob DeHaney)
Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2018 19:57:05 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] KBF3
Message-ID: <002c01d4460b$06310f10$12932d30$@gmx.net>

Does anyone have a KBPF3/KBPF3A that is excess to their needs?  If so I would like to purchase it.  Contact off list please.

 

Vy 73 de Bob DJ0RD/WU5T


From k6dgw at foothill.net  Thu Sep  6 14:28:22 2018
From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen)
Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2018 11:28:22 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3: Menu entries in K3 macros
Message-ID: <47fc11f4-4a78-fb36-2e9f-8cbd401e81a1@foothill.net>

Technical difficulty in my mind:? How do I change a menu setting from 
one of the 16 K3 macro slots. Specifically, I want to toggle SPKR+PH 
on/off using my KPOD in Macro #16.? My K3 has TECH MD set to ON all the 
time.? I don't fully understand the K3 Programmer's Reference for the MN 
command I guess.

73,

Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

From n6kr at elecraft.com  Thu Sep  6 14:34:01 2018
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2018 11:34:01 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3: Menu entries in K3 macros
In-Reply-To: <47fc11f4-4a78-fb36-2e9f-8cbd401e81a1@foothill.net>
References: <47fc11f4-4a78-fb36-2e9f-8cbd401e81a1@foothill.net>
Message-ID: <E8959C40-9C94-4E02-A7B7-F40418748C53@elecraft.com>

Hi Fred,

Use the MN command select the menu entry number. This simulates going into the menu at the radio. The Programmer's Reference provides a table of MN values for each transceiver--be sure to use the one for the K3/K3S.

Then use the MP command to read or change the value. This is also explained in the reference. You can send "MP;" to read the current value to make sure you know how the MP values relate to the menu entry's displayed parameter.

Finally, send "MN255;" to exit the menu.

Wayne
N6KR




> On Sep 6, 2018, at 11:28 AM, Fred Jensen <k6dgw at foothill.net> wrote:
> 
> Technical difficulty in my mind:  How do I change a menu setting from one of the 16 K3 macro slots. Specifically, I want to toggle SPKR+PH on/off using my KPOD in Macro #16.  My K3 has TECH MD set to ON all the time.  I don't fully understand the K3 Programmer's Reference for the MN command I guess.
> 
> 73,
> 
> Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
> Sparks NV DM09dn
> Washoe County
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From indians at xsmail.com  Thu Sep  6 15:49:08 2018
From: indians at xsmail.com (Petr, OK1RP/M0SIS)
Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2018 12:49:08 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] Internal clock delay
Message-ID: <1536263348756-0.post@n2.nabble.com>

Hi, 

sorry for stupid question. 

The internal clock seems to delaying for couple of mins during few months on
my K3 (built mid 2008). 

Does it means that an internal battery cell life in my K3 is ending?

Thanks,






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From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Thu Sep  6 16:03:37 2018
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2018 13:03:37 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] 30m keyboard interference
In-Reply-To: <CA+nQa2M2Hz7H4goToxkOYd2hVaCqeLNrxLnaW9PzvrA97-Z8Vw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+nQa2M2Hz7H4goToxkOYd2hVaCqeLNrxLnaW9PzvrA97-Z8Vw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5590f9d2-565a-c4e5-deff-93085a46dfed@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On 9/4/2018 5:05 PM, Gwen Patton wrote:
> My guess is that the stray RF was getting into the keyboard's
> cable between the two halves of the unique split keyboard.


My money would be on the cable between the keyboard and what it was 
plugged into, or the keyboard itself.


>   That cable is not shielded,

Shielding may or may not be part of the problem. A more likely cause is 
a Pin One Problem in whatever it's plugged into.? See 
k9yc.com/RFI-Ham.pdf for a discussion of the Pin One Problem.

73, Jim K9YC


From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Thu Sep  6 16:19:21 2018
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2018 16:19:21 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] Internal clock delay
In-Reply-To: <1536263348756-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1536263348756-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <f2bdff46-c6c4-3dfe-1b8c-69b1b7726271@embarqmail.com>

Petr,

Those "coin cell" batteries last a very long time, the current drain is 
very low.

A couple minutes over a "few months" is also rather tight tolerance for 
the internal clock.  Even a computer clock can be expected to drift some 
unless sync'ed with a time standard regularly.  The K3 clock is a 
similar design.  It is not a precision long term timepiece like a watch.

So, I have to ask - did you ever observe it over several months some 
time ago?  If so, did it have better stability then?

If you do not have the subRX in your K3, it is easy to change the 
battery, so why not just change it for your peace of mind.

OTOH, if you do have the subRX and/or the K144XV, I would suggest 
monitoring it for several months before deciding to change it.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 9/6/2018 3:49 PM, Petr, OK1RP/M0SIS wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> sorry for stupid question.
> 
> The internal clock seems to delaying for couple of mins during few months on
> my K3 (built mid 2008).
> 
> Does it means that an internal battery cell life in my K3 is ending?
> 

From k6dgw at foothill.net  Thu Sep  6 16:59:46 2018
From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen)
Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2018 13:59:46 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3: Menu entries in K3 macros
In-Reply-To: <E8959C40-9C94-4E02-A7B7-F40418748C53@elecraft.com>
References: <47fc11f4-4a78-fb36-2e9f-8cbd401e81a1@foothill.net>
	<E8959C40-9C94-4E02-A7B7-F40418748C53@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <7b0e2820-4c4a-f695-935b-762af3e83972@foothill.net>

Thanks Wayne and Mike, my feeble brain did not register that some menu 
entries have values and don't just toggle. It's working great now.

73,

Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

On 9/6/2018 11:34 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
> Hi Fred,
>
> Use the MN command select the menu entry number. This simulates going into the menu at the radio. The Programmer's Reference provides a table of MN values for each transceiver--be sure to use the one for the K3/K3S.
>
> Then use the MP command to read or change the value. This is also explained in the reference. You can send "MP;" to read the current value to make sure you know how the MP values relate to the menu entry's displayed parameter.
>
> Finally, send "MN255;" to exit the menu.
>
> Wayne
> N6KR
>


From K8UT at charter.net  Thu Sep  6 18:00:01 2018
From: K8UT at charter.net (Larry (K8UT))
Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2018 22:00:01 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 FANticipator v1.0 - Console and Fan Controller
	program released
Message-ID: <em437781dc-35cf-42b6-9c12-fc71d89d4d56@k8ut-pc>

My thanks to the Beta group who assisted in testing and fine-tuning 
FANticipator in preparation for its initial v1.0 release.

FANticipator is a free Windows application that connects to an Elecraft 
KPA1500 amplifier over ethernet/WiFi and provides lightweight console 
functionality and sophisticated fan (noise) control.

You can read more about the application here:
www.hamprojects.info

You can download the application from the file gallery of the 
FANticipator groups.io reflector here:
https://groups.io/g/FANticipator

The author and Beta testers have been active on that groups.io 
reflector, and you should direct your questions/issues about 
FANticipator to that group rather than here on the Elecraft reflector.

-larry (K8UT)

From k6ufo at arrl.net  Thu Sep  6 18:08:26 2018
From: k6ufo at arrl.net (K6UFO Mark Aaker)
Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2018 22:08:26 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] For Sale: RemoteRig pair for Remote Operation (config'd
 for Elecraft)
References: <567660753.1385145.1536271706504.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <567660753.1385145.1536271706504@mail.yahoo.com>

For sale: A pair of RemoteRig RRC-1258MkIIs boxes for remote operation.
See  www.RemoteRig.com  for details. This includes the Control 
and Radio units, USB cable, one powerpole cable, one AC adapter 
cable, Wifi card ($100 option!). Includes the Radio unit cables for 
connecting to an Elecraft K3 radio, and the Control unit cable for 
connecting to an Elecraft K3/0-Mini control head.  Elecraft info at: 
 www.elecraft.com/K3-Remote/k3_remote.htm  
These units were configured and used trouble-free for a remote K3 
for several years. Purchased new in July 2014, very good working 
condition, just removed from use this week. Now excess to my needs. 
New, all this would cost more than $700 plus tax and shipping , but 
I'll sell for $400 plus $20 shipping USPS Priority Mail to you in USA.
I have photos. Pay by Paypal, cashiers check or contact me. Thanks! 
K6UFO Mark Aaker K6UFO k6ufo at arrl dot net (408)857-4329 

From k6ufo at arrl.net  Thu Sep  6 19:54:12 2018
From: k6ufo at arrl.net (K6UFO Mark Aaker)
Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2018 23:54:12 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] SOLD: For Sale: RemoteRig pair for Remote Operation
 (config'd for Elecraft)
References: <458647870.1472564.1536278052020.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <458647870.1472564.1536278052020@mail.yahoo.com>

RemoteRig pair SOLD.

?K6UFO Mark Aaker K6UFO k6ufo at arrl dot net?

     
   

From aa2zj at juno.com  Thu Sep  6 20:26:59 2018
From: aa2zj at juno.com (Gerry Miller)
Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2018 00:26:59 GMT
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 SW ISSUE
Message-ID: <20180906.202659.25764.1@webmail08.vgs.untd.com>

    I HAVE AN ISSUE TRYING TO DOWN LOAD THE LATEST SW INTO MY KX3.  I AM NOT COMPUTER LITERATE AND BEFORE TRYING TO DOWN LOAD THE LATEST SW, I WOULD ASK IF ANYONE HAS HAD A PROBLEM DOWNLOADING INTO A MAC BOOK PRO. I HAVE THE LATEST MAC SW (HIGH SIERRA-10-13-6). THE KX3 SW IS: MCU-2.76, DSP-1.50    LAST UPDATED 11-2017. . I HAD AN EXPERIENCED MAC AND KX2 OWNER TRY TO UPDATE MY RIG, BUT HE WAS UNABLE TO DO SO.  HE SEEMED TO THINK IT WAS A SW COMPATIBILITY ISSUE WITH ELECRAFT TO MAC.  I HAD A PROBLEM IN THE DISTANT PAST WITH SAME ISSUE AND WOUND UP SENDING THE RIG BACK TO ELECRAFT TO CORRECT THE SW PROBLEM,  ANYONE HAVE A GUESS?73GERRY MILLER, AA2ZJ 
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From ghyoungman at gmail.com  Thu Sep  6 20:44:48 2018
From: ghyoungman at gmail.com (Grant Youngman)
Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2018 20:44:48 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 SW ISSUE
In-Reply-To: <20180906.202659.25764.1@webmail08.vgs.untd.com>
References: <20180906.202659.25764.1@webmail08.vgs.untd.com>
Message-ID: <0BD3C442-B0FA-465A-977C-61E4B4D87F3E@gmail.com>

There is NO problem whatsoever between E?craft radios and the MacBook Pro.  None. Nada. With any OS version.   If you?re having a problem it is a cockpit issue or a software configuration issue (on the Mac) or (unlikely, but not impossible) a hardware issue.

Do you have the most current drivers for your USB/RS-232 interface?  What interface are you using?
Have you downloaded the latest version of firmware that you want to install?
Have you verified that the Mac can communicate with the KX3? (You can do that with the KX3 Utility)
Are you running the LATEST version of the KX3 Utility?

Grant NQ5T
K3 #2091 KX3 #8342

> On Sep 6, 2018, at 8:26 PM, Gerry Miller <aa2zj at juno.com> wrote:
> 
>    I HAVE AN ISSUE TRYING TO DOWN LOAD THE LATEST SW INTO MY KX3.  I AM NOT COMPUTER LITERATE AND BEFORE TRYING TO DOWN LOAD THE LATEST SW, I WOULD ASK IF ANYONE HAS HAD A PROBLEM DOWNLOADING INTO A MAC BOOK PRO. I HAVE THE LATEST MAC SW (HIGH SIERRA-10-13-6). THE KX3 SW IS: MCU-2.76, DSP-1.50    LAST UPDATED 11-2017. . I HAD AN EXPERIENCED MAC AND KX2 OWNER TRY TO UPDATE MY RIG, BUT HE WAS UNABLE TO DO SO.  HE SEEMED TO THINK IT WAS A SW COMPATIBILITY ISSUE WITH ELECRAFT TO MAC.  I HAD A PROBLEM IN THE DISTANT PAST WITH SAME ISSUE AND WOUND UP SENDING THE RIG BACK TO ELECRAFT TO CORRECT THE SW PROBLEM,  ANYONE HAVE A GUESS?73GERRY MILLER, AA2ZJ 
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From jsodus at comcast.net  Thu Sep  6 23:57:39 2018
From: jsodus at comcast.net (JEROME SODUS)
Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2018 23:57:39 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Elecraft] searching for post by Wayne n6kr about counterpoise
Message-ID: <703522120.10144.1536292659639@connect.xfinity.com>

Hello,


I want to re-read a post that Wayne n6kr made about a wire-antenna tossed up a tree and the location of a counterpoise; this was relative to portable operating a kx2 or kx3, if I recall correctly.


But my archive search has come up empty.


My recollection is he recommended placing the counterpoise in a direction opposite to the wire-antenna.

I need to verify that recollection.

Hopefully someone has saved that post.

TIA for any help.

73 Jerry km3k

From nick at n6ol.us  Fri Sep  7 01:06:44 2018
From: nick at n6ol.us (Nicklas Johnson)
Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2018 22:06:44 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S 2m FM squelch problem
Message-ID: <CA+ZptLnFf6DPhjEA0Sy95kxx2VsQQe_2a_M9B2=Tu9SuyjKQ5A@mail.gmail.com>

This is probably a dumb question but I'll ask it anyway...

Got my K3S tonight, and starting to put it through its paces.  The 2m
module was factory installed.

The problem I have is that the RF/SQL control is still behaving like an RF
control and not a squelch (ie, I always hear background static).  I've
verified that I'm in FM mode, SQ Main is set to 00 and SQ=FM.  I'm
listening with the built-in speaker.  The transverter does seem to be
working; I can hear the repeater, and it can hear me.

I'm sure I'm missing something really obvious, but I haven't been able to
figure out what it is.  Any suggestions?

   Nick

-- 
*N6OL*
Saying something doesn't make it true.  Belief in something doesn't make it
real. And if you have to lie to support a position, that position is not
worth supporting.

From nick at n6ol.us  Fri Sep  7 01:24:51 2018
From: nick at n6ol.us (Nicklas Johnson)
Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2018 22:24:51 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S 2m FM squelch problem
In-Reply-To: <CA+ZptLnFf6DPhjEA0Sy95kxx2VsQQe_2a_M9B2=Tu9SuyjKQ5A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+ZptLnFf6DPhjEA0Sy95kxx2VsQQe_2a_M9B2=Tu9SuyjKQ5A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+ZptLna7uOWvKKLY=5VoM16We_4SCKRF2aBNE_cQJFKjMoB3Q@mail.gmail.com>

Yup, I did a little more digging and figured it out.  What I wanted was SQ
MAIN to be =SUB POT to control it on the panel using the SUB knob, versus
setting the squelch via the menu.

All is well.

   Nick

On 6 September 2018 at 22:06, Nicklas Johnson <nick at n6ol.us> wrote:

> This is probably a dumb question but I'll ask it anyway...
>
> Got my K3S tonight, and starting to put it through its paces.  The 2m
> module was factory installed.
>
> The problem I have is that the RF/SQL control is still behaving like an RF
> control and not a squelch (ie, I always hear background static).  I've
> verified that I'm in FM mode, SQ Main is set to 00 and SQ=FM.  I'm
> listening with the built-in speaker.  The transverter does seem to be
> working; I can hear the repeater, and it can hear me.
>
> I'm sure I'm missing something really obvious, but I haven't been able to
> figure out what it is.  Any suggestions?
>
>    Nick
>
> --
> *N6OL*
> Saying something doesn't make it true.  Belief in something doesn't make
> it real. And if you have to lie to support a position, that position is not
> worth supporting.
>



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real. And if you have to lie to support a position, that position is not
worth supporting.

From kl7cw at mtaonline.net  Fri Sep  7 12:46:04 2018
From: kl7cw at mtaonline.net (Frederick Dwight)
Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2018 08:46:04 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Counterpoise
Message-ID: <20180907164816888@smtp687.redcondor.net>

I believe that most pedestrian mobile operators suggest walking away from the direction of your QSO when you utilize a dragging radial.  An elevated counterpoise would probably be the same.  Perhaps two decades ago I modeled single radials and counterpoises, and if my memory is correct I believe they all indicated that the wire should point in the general direction of your desired radiation.  The above statements assume your radiator is more or less vertical.  My (poor) models showed only a slight advantage in that direction?.possibly only a very few dB.    My portable antenna for my KX1 is usually a 17 foot radial laying on the ground and a 26 or 27 foot wire more or less vertical, or an inverted L.  This is a very satisfactory portable antenna for 40, 30, and 20 meters.  However not equal to my linked dipole with an apex up over about 25 feet which is heavier and harder to set up.  Sometimes if this 17 foot wire is elevated, it will still tune all 3 bands, but sometimes I need a longer counterpoise wire to tune it up on 40 meters with the built in KX1 tuner.  Probably 2, 3, or 4 symmetrical radials or counterpoise or radial wires would be the best solution if possible.  The single radial solution is a compromise which is often enough to get you on the air and make some (good ?) QSO?s.  Rick KL7CW

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From wb5xx at suddenlink.net  Fri Sep  7 13:39:29 2018
From: wb5xx at suddenlink.net (wb5xx)
Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2018 12:39:29 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] FOR SALE KX3-F
Message-ID: <0D9F3E11BD434B10A1714C79DB5A041E@Grant1935>

I have my 3 month old KX3-F w/the following accessories for sale.

KX3-F Radio   Never been outside my house.
KXAT3-F Tuner
KXBC3-F Charger/Clock
KX3 PCKT Cable set
Unused manual

No Filter

Accessories included are:

8 Sanyo AA rechargeable batteries Eneloop 2400 mAH
Nifty Desk Stand
Alex (KX) Speaker Microphone hand mic.This is a great improvement over radio audio and the mic gets great reports.

Total package cost was $1550.00.Selling shipped prepaid USPS Priority Mail for $1095.00 in factory box.

Payment by USPS Money order,Bank Cashiers Check or personal check when clears my bank.No PayPal.

Please contact off the list if interested.

Thanks

George wb5xx

From Peter at w2irt.net  Fri Sep  7 13:41:11 2018
From: Peter at w2irt.net (Peter Dougherty)
Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2018 13:41:11 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Tuning band segments with the KPA-1500
Message-ID: <007501d446d1$f7f191a0$e7d4b4e0$@net>

Is it possible (or might it be possible with a firmware upgrade) to selectively
use the KPA-1500's tuner on only a portion of an individual band? 

As a contester I face my biggest SWR challenges are 40m and 80m SSB. 

On 40, my Yagi is resonant at 7045, and the KPA will give me a full-power match
between 7000 and 7125 pretty easily. Anywhere north of there, however, I'm above
3:1, rising as high as about 7 or 8:1 at 7295. On 80, I could use the KPA from
3500 (resonant 3550) to about 3750, but would need to switch to the external
tuner for anything above that (I only ever go as high as 3850, and extremely
rarely at that. Maybe a dozen transmissions per year calling mults).

At the moment, I have a Palstar HF-Auto, which is bypassed everywhere except the
phone portions of 40 and 80, and the internal tuner in the KPA that's bypassed
only on those two bands. The freeware software for the HF-Auto is positively
wretched, and the tuner itself is only RF-sensing, not commanded by band data,
so obviously I'm looking for a better solution that will allow me to use full
legal limit with fast, seamless switching. I would prefer to use the KPA-1500
for as much of the tuning duties as possible, and only dropping to the HF-Auto
when absolutely necessary, since quite frankly I don't trust the Palstar to not
go rogue on me (a regular occurrence, sadly).

As it stands now, I can set the KPA's internal tuner to operate or bypass on
full bands only, not in segments. It doesn't seem like a stretch to allow a user
to put in limits within a band.

----------------------------------------------------

Regards,
Peter Dougherty

 


From dick at elecraft.com  Fri Sep  7 15:59:17 2018
From: dick at elecraft.com (Dick Dievendorff)
Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2018 12:59:17 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Tuning band segments with the KPA-1500
In-Reply-To: <007501d446d1$f7f191a0$e7d4b4e0$@net>
References: <007501d446d1$f7f191a0$e7d4b4e0$@net>
Message-ID: <EC394FBA-05F8-40C2-B947-C6E716ADAC52@elecraft.com>

The intent is that the tuner does this already in normal practice. 

If you press the ATU tune button at a frequency where the antenna SWR, with the ATU bypassed, is ?low enough?, the ATU setting stored and later recalled is ?ATU bypassed?. Both ATU LEDs are lit when this happens. The relays for this situation are exactly the same as if you turn the ATU off.

You can influence the SWR for ?good enough? with a KPA1500 utility function, edit configuration, SWR threshold for SWR bypass. It?s per band and defaults to 1.2 to 1.

The amp is rated at 1500w for a 3:1 or better antenna. At 10:1, you?ll need to dial back below 1500W to avoid damaging the ATU. This is what the power too high for bypass SWR fault is for. If the antenna is 10:1, figure on about 850W.

The amp does better if the SWR the PA sees is low.

73 de Dick, K6KR

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 7, 2018, at 10:41, Peter Dougherty <Peter at w2irt.net> wrote:
> 
> Is it possible (or might it be possible with a firmware upgrade) to selectively
> use the KPA-1500's tuner on only a portion of an individual band? 
> 
> As a contester I face my biggest SWR challenges are 40m and 80m SSB. 
> 
> On 40, my Yagi is resonant at 7045, and the KPA will give me a full-power match
> between 7000 and 7125 pretty easily. Anywhere north of there, however, I'm above
> 3:1, rising as high as about 7 or 8:1 at 7295. On 80, I could use the KPA from
> 3500 (resonant 3550) to about 3750, but would need to switch to the external
> tuner for anything above that (I only ever go as high as 3850, and extremely
> rarely at that. Maybe a dozen transmissions per year calling mults).
> 
> At the moment, I have a Palstar HF-Auto, which is bypassed everywhere except the
> phone portions of 40 and 80, and the internal tuner in the KPA that's bypassed
> only on those two bands. The freeware software for the HF-Auto is positively
> wretched, and the tuner itself is only RF-sensing, not commanded by band data,
> so obviously I'm looking for a better solution that will allow me to use full
> legal limit with fast, seamless switching. I would prefer to use the KPA-1500
> for as much of the tuning duties as possible, and only dropping to the HF-Auto
> when absolutely necessary, since quite frankly I don't trust the Palstar to not
> go rogue on me (a regular occurrence, sadly).
> 
> As it stands now, I can set the KPA's internal tuner to operate or bypass on
> full bands only, not in segments. It doesn't seem like a stretch to allow a user
> to put in limits within a band.
> 
> ----------------------------------------------------
> 
> Regards,
> Peter Dougherty
> 
> 
> 
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From thom2 at att.net  Sat Sep  8 09:50:02 2018
From: thom2 at att.net (Tom McCulloch)
Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2018 09:50:02 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] searching for post by Wayne n6kr about counterpoise
In-Reply-To: <703522120.10144.1536292659639@connect.xfinity.com>
References: <703522120.10144.1536292659639@connect.xfinity.com>
Message-ID: <1201e0a0-2f4a-b2a5-4f5c-cbf8b9fcc32c@att.net>

This is probably NOT what you are looking for but it's about random 
length antennas...it goes back to Jan 29, 2017.

hope this helps:

I'd call an ad-hoc antenna that works on multiple bands with an ATU a "Kinda-Random Antenna" (KRA). (Apologies to linguistic purists.)

A simplified definition might be:

   A. long enough to work within the maximum limits of the ATU's L-network on the lowest band used
   B. presents a reasonably low impedance on all bands used (e.g., doesn't look like an end-fed half-wave)

ATUs have limited monotonicity and granularity, as well as stray impedances, so in practice there is a third criteria:

   C. tunable on each band used despite specific L-network idiosyncrasies

This third criteria is the hardest one to predict for a given ATU design, as the idiosyncrasies vary with PCB layout and actual component values. They may only impact the highest bands, or for a particular antenna, the bands on which Q is the highest. For our ATU designs, we try to minimize strays and keep the network monotonic by using tightly toleranced capacitors and toroidal inductors.

While a wide range of wire lengths will meet the requirements of a "KRA" in the field, we've found from experience that something in the 25'-28' range works on all bands from 40 meters up, and roughly twice this for 80 meters up. Since it's impossible to predict the effect of ground losses, obstructions, deployed wire angles, etc., you may occasionally need to add or remove wire to obtain resonance on all bands used.

73,
Wayne
N6KR


Tom

WB2QDG

K@ 1103


On 9/6/2018 11:57 PM, JEROME SODUS wrote:
> Hello,
>
>
> I want to re-read a post that Wayne n6kr made about a wire-antenna tossed up a tree and the location of a counterpoise; this was relative to portable operating a kx2 or kx3, if I recall correctly.
>
>
> But my archive search has come up empty.
>
>
> My recollection is he recommended placing the counterpoise in a direction opposite to the wire-antenna.
>
> I need to verify that recollection.
>
> Hopefully someone has saved that post.
>
> TIA for any help.
>
> 73 Jerry km3k
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From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Sat Sep  8 10:13:54 2018
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2018 10:13:54 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] searching for post by Wayne n6kr about counterpoise
In-Reply-To: <1201e0a0-2f4a-b2a5-4f5c-cbf8b9fcc32c@att.net>
References: <703522120.10144.1536292659639@connect.xfinity.com>
	<1201e0a0-2f4a-b2a5-4f5c-cbf8b9fcc32c@att.net>
Message-ID: <e70f67ff-a763-1430-0dd6-65cec5975b10@embarqmail.com>

Tom and all,

One of the KX2 Field Testers found that a 58 foot resonator and a 26 
foot counterpoise worked well on 80 through 10 meters.
I use half those lengths for 40 through 10 meters.
No feedline, both the radiator and the counterpoise are connected 
directly to a BNC to Binding Post adapter on the KX2.

The direction of the counterpoise does not make a lot of detectable 
difference.  Antenna modeling may show some difference, but working 
quickly in the field may not allow you to set up the "perfect" situation 
- use what you have available.

The KX2 internal tuner is a wide range tuner that might even be able to 
match a metal window frame or the proverbial "bedsprings".

Let's face it, this is a compromise antenna that can be thrown into a 
tree and give us the opportunity to make QSOs in the field.  For home 
station use, a proper antenna up in the air will be better.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 9/8/2018 9:50 AM, Tom McCulloch wrote:
> This is probably NOT what you are looking for but it's about random 
> length antennas...it goes back to Jan 29, 2017.
> 
> hope this helps:
> 
> I'd call an ad-hoc antenna that works on multiple bands with an ATU a 
> "Kinda-Random Antenna" (KRA). (Apologies to linguistic purists.)
> 
> A simplified definition might be:
> 
>  ? A. long enough to work within the maximum limits of the ATU's 
> L-network on the lowest band used
>  ? B. presents a reasonably low impedance on all bands used (e.g., 
> doesn't look like an end-fed half-wave)
> 
> ATUs have limited monotonicity and granularity, as well as stray 
> impedances, so in practice there is a third criteria:
> 
>  ? C. tunable on each band used despite specific L-network idiosyncrasies
> 
> This third criteria is the hardest one to predict for a given ATU 
> design, as the idiosyncrasies vary with PCB layout and actual component 
> values. They may only impact the highest bands, or for a particular 
> antenna, the bands on which Q is the highest. For our ATU designs, we 
> try to minimize strays and keep the network monotonic by using tightly 
> toleranced capacitors and toroidal inductors.
> 
> While a wide range of wire lengths will meet the requirements of a "KRA" 
> in the field, we've found from experience that something in the 25'-28' 
> range works on all bands from 40 meters up, and roughly twice this for 
> 80 meters up. Since it's impossible to predict the effect of ground 
> losses, obstructions, deployed wire angles, etc., you may occasionally 
> need to add or remove wire to obtain resonance on all bands used.
> 
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR

From wunder at wunderwood.org  Sat Sep  8 11:21:01 2018
From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood)
Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2018 08:21:01 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] searching for post by Wayne n6kr about counterpoise
In-Reply-To: <1201e0a0-2f4a-b2a5-4f5c-cbf8b9fcc32c@att.net>
References: <703522120.10144.1536292659639@connect.xfinity.com>
	<1201e0a0-2f4a-b2a5-4f5c-cbf8b9fcc32c@att.net>
Message-ID: <D67844B9-67EF-4DFC-9F47-4114A9F48436@wunderwood.org>

The manual for the KXAT1 describes this antenna on page 9.

?...for backpacking use on 40/30/20 meters, a wire length of 24-28 feet will generally provide good results. For use on 30/20 m only, as little as 12 ft. can be used, and for 20 m only, as little as 8 ft. Avoid lengths which are close to a half- wavelength long or any multiple thereof, which will be out of the KXAT1's matching range. For example, you should avoid using close to 33' if 20 m operation is planned, or 46' if you'll be using 30 m.

Use a at least one ground radial, cut to at least 1/8th wavelength on the lowest band used (16' on 40 meters). When possible, use two or more radials, with one cut to 1/4 wavelength on each band.?

http://www.elecraft.com/manual/E740054%20KXAT1%20man%20rev%20B.pdf

The KX2 manual has slightly different recommendations on page 10.

"The wire tied to the red post (antenna hot lead) is attached to a tree or other tall support. The wire tied to the black post (radio chassis ground) is the equally important counterpoise, which is typically laid on the ground.

A length of about 25 feet for each wire, matched to the KX2?s output using an antenna tuner (see ATU, pg. 11) will typically provide good performance on 40-10 m."

http://www.elecraft.com/manual/E740282%20KX2%20owner%27s%20man.pdf

I?ve been using 26 feet in the air and 16 feet on the ground.

As for a single counterpoise/radial, there will be more radiation in the direction of the radial. The radial reduces ground losses in that direction. The directions without radials will have more ground loss and thus less signal. 

wunder
K6WRU
Walter Underwood
CM87wj
http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog)

> On Sep 8, 2018, at 6:50 AM, Tom McCulloch <thom2 at att.net> wrote:
> 
> This is probably NOT what you are looking for but it's about random length antennas...it goes back to Jan 29, 2017.
> 
> hope this helps:
> 
> I'd call an ad-hoc antenna that works on multiple bands with an ATU a "Kinda-Random Antenna" (KRA). (Apologies to linguistic purists.)
> 
> A simplified definition might be:
> 
>  A. long enough to work within the maximum limits of the ATU's L-network on the lowest band used
>  B. presents a reasonably low impedance on all bands used (e.g., doesn't look like an end-fed half-wave)
> 
> ATUs have limited monotonicity and granularity, as well as stray impedances, so in practice there is a third criteria:
> 
>  C. tunable on each band used despite specific L-network idiosyncrasies
> 
> This third criteria is the hardest one to predict for a given ATU design, as the idiosyncrasies vary with PCB layout and actual component values. They may only impact the highest bands, or for a particular antenna, the bands on which Q is the highest. For our ATU designs, we try to minimize strays and keep the network monotonic by using tightly toleranced capacitors and toroidal inductors.
> 
> While a wide range of wire lengths will meet the requirements of a "KRA" in the field, we've found from experience that something in the 25'-28' range works on all bands from 40 meters up, and roughly twice this for 80 meters up. Since it's impossible to predict the effect of ground losses, obstructions, deployed wire angles, etc., you may occasionally need to add or remove wire to obtain resonance on all bands used.
> 
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR
> 
> 
> Tom
> 
> WB2QDG
> 
> K@ 1103
> 
> 
> On 9/6/2018 11:57 PM, JEROME SODUS wrote:
>> Hello,
>> 
>> 
>> I want to re-read a post that Wayne n6kr made about a wire-antenna tossed up a tree and the location of a counterpoise; this was relative to portable operating a kx2 or kx3, if I recall correctly.
>> 
>> 
>> But my archive search has come up empty.
>> 
>> 
>> My recollection is he recommended placing the counterpoise in a direction opposite to the wire-antenna.
>> 
>> I need to verify that recollection.
>> 
>> Hopefully someone has saved that post.
>> 
>> TIA for any help.
>> 
>> 73 Jerry km3k
>> ______________________________________________________________
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From k6dgw at foothill.net  Sat Sep  8 20:00:05 2018
From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen)
Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2018 17:00:05 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] searching for post by Wayne n6kr about counterpoise
In-Reply-To: <e70f67ff-a763-1430-0dd6-65cec5975b10@embarqmail.com>
References: <703522120.10144.1536292659639@connect.xfinity.com>
	<1201e0a0-2f4a-b2a5-4f5c-cbf8b9fcc32c@att.net>
	<e70f67ff-a763-1430-0dd6-65cec5975b10@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <e52eaaa3-d32d-162c-b457-39d2353ad5a8@foothill.net>

During the runup to Cycle 19 [!1957 for me], it was said you could work 
anything you could hear on 10 with 20 watts to the window screen.? 
Window screens were copper in those days.? I tried it out with my 
"28-28" [6J6-2E26] rockbound 10 m TX, and indeed, I seemed to be able to 
work everything I heard if I had a 40 m rock close enough.? Window 
screens are no longer copper so I don't think it would work today.? My 
"tuner" was the adjustable link coupling to the tank.? College starting 
1957, military and SE Asia in 62, and Cycle 19 was in the rear view 
mirror when I got home at the end of 1967.? Oh that Cycle 25 would 
repeat even half of 19!

73,

Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

On 9/8/2018 7:13 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
> The KX2 internal tuner is a wide range tuner that might even be able 
> to match a metal window frame or the proverbial "bedsprings".


From kevinr at coho.net  Sat Sep  8 23:37:04 2018
From: kevinr at coho.net (kevinr)
Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2018 20:37:04 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Announcement
Message-ID: <91206281-cd85-478c-48d0-8241021f285e@coho.net>

Good Evening,

 ?? I have had this site open in my browser for over a month. 
<https://myodfw.com/wildlife-viewing/species/warblers> The warbler I was 
trying to identify finally returned outside my window.? A female 
Wilson's warbler.? Not quite as bright as its Yellow cousin.? Since it 
was a female I had to double check the little cap.? Not as prominent as 
on the male with green lines in it.? It's always nice to check off a new 
one.

 ?? There is some auroral activity so the sun is not completely quiet.? 
The number of spotless days will match the 2007 total soon.? This may 
mean two more years before the cycle starts moving up again.? A quiet 
sun over the winter means 80 and 160 will have less noise.? Something to 
look forward to when the snow lies thick and the stars are bright.

Please join us tomorrow on:

14050 kHz at 2200z Sunday (3 PM PDT Sunday)
 ? 7045 kHz at 0000z Monday (5 PM PDT Sunday)

73,
Kevin. KD5ONS

_


From frantz at pwpconsult.com  Sun Sep  9 02:35:40 2018
From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz)
Date: Sat,  8 Sep 2018 23:35:40 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] searching for post by Wayne n6kr about counterpoise
In-Reply-To: <e52eaaa3-d32d-162c-b457-39d2353ad5a8@foothill.net>
Message-ID: <r480Ps-10136i-362AC167F7004038952859985DCE3E25@Williams-MacBook-Pro.local>

Some window screens are aluminum. I've used aluminum screen 
successfully for the ground plane for a 10M vertical antenna.

73 Bill AE6JV

On 9/8/18 at 5:00 PM, k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) wrote:

>Window screens were copper in those days.? I tried it out with 
>my "28-28" [6J6-2E26] rockbound 10 m TX, and indeed, I seemed 
>to be able to work everything I heard if I had a 40 m rock 
>close enough.? Window screens are no longer copper so I don't 
>think it would work today.

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From xdavid at cis-broadband.com  Sun Sep  9 03:15:55 2018
From: xdavid at cis-broadband.com (David Gilbert)
Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2018 00:15:55 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] searching for post by Wayne n6kr about counterpoise
In-Reply-To: <e52eaaa3-d32d-162c-b457-39d2353ad5a8@foothill.net>
References: <703522120.10144.1536292659639@connect.xfinity.com>
	<1201e0a0-2f4a-b2a5-4f5c-cbf8b9fcc32c@att.net>
	<e70f67ff-a763-1430-0dd6-65cec5975b10@embarqmail.com>
	<e52eaaa3-d32d-162c-b457-39d2353ad5a8@foothill.net>
Message-ID: <8f67767a-639f-783e-9e10-9044a7123c6c@cis-broadband.com>



I truly do not understand why this idea that "I can work anything I can 
hear" hangs around as a gauge of anything meaningful.? It's a totally 
meaningless reference.? Antennas are generally (as in almost always) 
reciprocal between transmit and receive, so if you suck on transmit 
you're likely to equally suck on receive.? So yeah ... most of us 
probably can work anything we can hear but that doesn't mean anything 
other than we haven't managed to screw up the physics of the world.

73,
Dave?? AB7E



On 9/8/2018 5:00 PM, Fred Jensen wrote:
> During the runup to Cycle 19 [!1957 for me], it was said you could 
> work anything you could hear on 10 with 20 watts to the window screen. 
> Window screens were copper in those days.? I tried it out with my 
> "28-28" [6J6-2E26] rockbound 10 m TX, and indeed, I seemed to be able 
> to work everything I heard if I had a 40 m rock close enough.? Window 
> screens are no longer copper so I don't think it would work today.? My 
> "tuner" was the adjustable link coupling to the tank.? College 
> starting 1957, military and SE Asia in 62, and Cycle 19 was in the 
> rear view mirror when I got home at the end of 1967.? Oh that Cycle 25 
> would repeat even half of 19!
>
> 73,
>
> Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
> Sparks NV DM09dn
> Washoe County


From c-hawley at illinois.edu  Sun Sep  9 08:58:43 2018
From: c-hawley at illinois.edu (hawley, charles j jr)
Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2018 12:58:43 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] searching for post by Wayne n6kr about counterpoise
In-Reply-To: <8f67767a-639f-783e-9e10-9044a7123c6c@cis-broadband.com>
References: <703522120.10144.1536292659639@connect.xfinity.com>
	<1201e0a0-2f4a-b2a5-4f5c-cbf8b9fcc32c@att.net>
	<e70f67ff-a763-1430-0dd6-65cec5975b10@embarqmail.com>
	<e52eaaa3-d32d-162c-b457-39d2353ad5a8@foothill.net>,
	<8f67767a-639f-783e-9e10-9044a7123c6c@cis-broadband.com>
Message-ID: <67CA9B00-58EF-4EF2-8A0A-6FAE56BE9DD1@illinois.edu>

The ARRL recently published a book ?Receiving Antennas for the Radio Amateur?. It maintains that ?The function of transmitting antennas is to radiate power efficiently, while the function of receiving antennas is to present the best signal-to-noise ratio to the receiver?. It maintains that ?using the same antenna for transmitting and receiving roughly coincided with the advent of the transceiver in the 1950s and 1960s.? And ?The glaring differences in priorities between transmitting and receiving antennas becomes...well...glaring...when we start looking into the concept of efficiency.? And ?some of the most effective receiving antennas are abysmally poor performers when efficiency alone is considered?.
It?s an interesting book.

Chuck
KE9UW

Sent from my iPhone, cjack 

> On Sep 9, 2018, at 2:16 AM, David Gilbert <xdavid at cis-broadband.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> I truly do not understand why this idea that "I can work anything I can hear" hangs around as a gauge of anything meaningful.  It's a totally meaningless reference.  Antennas are generally (as in almost always) reciprocal between transmit and receive, so if you suck on transmit you're likely to equally suck on receive.  So yeah ... most of us probably can work anything we can hear but that doesn't mean anything other than we haven't managed to screw up the physics of the world.
> 
> 73,
> Dave   AB7E
> 
> 
> 
>> On 9/8/2018 5:00 PM, Fred Jensen wrote:
>> During the runup to Cycle 19 [!1957 for me], it was said you could work anything you could hear on 10 with 20 watts to the window screen. Window screens were copper in those days.  I tried it out with my "28-28" [6J6-2E26] rockbound 10 m TX, and indeed, I seemed to be able to work everything I heard if I had a 40 m rock close enough.  Window screens are no longer copper so I don't think it would work today.  My "tuner" was the adjustable link coupling to the tank.  College starting 1957, military and SE Asia in 62, and Cycle 19 was in the rear view mirror when I got home at the end of 1967.  Oh that Cycle 25 would repeat even half of 19!
>> 
>> 73,
>> 
>> Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
>> Sparks NV DM09dn
>> Washoe County
> 
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From k6dgw at foothill.net  Sun Sep  9 12:06:33 2018
From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred C. Jensen)
Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2018 09:06:33 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft] searching for post by Wayne n6kr about
	counterpoise
Message-ID: <sg94p39gkxcfp92n6psvld2d.1536509193363@email.android.com>

You've broken the code Dave, speak softly, let everyone else figure it out on their own. [:=)

Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV

David Gilbert <xdavid at cis-broadband.com> wrote:
>
>
>I truly do not understand why this idea that "I can work anything I can 
>hear" hangs around as a gauge of anything meaningful.? It's a totally 
>meaningless reference.? Antennas are generally (as in almost always) 
>reciprocal between transmit and receive, so if you suck on transmit 
>you're likely to equally suck on receive.? So yeah ... most of us 
>probably can work anything we can hear but that doesn't mean anything 
>other than we haven't managed to screw up the physics of the world.
>
>73,
>Dave?? AB7E
>
>
>
>On 9/8/2018 5:00 PM, Fred Jensen wrote:
>> During the runup to Cycle 19 [!1957 for me], it was said you could 
>> work anything you could hear on 10 with 20 watts to the window screen. 
>> Window screens were copper in those days.? I tried it out with my 
>> "28-28" [6J6-2E26] rockbound 10 m TX, and indeed, I seemed to be able 
>> to work everything I heard if I had a 40 m rock close enough.? Window 
>> screens are no longer copper so I don't think it would work today.? My 
>> "tuner" was the adjustable link coupling to the tank.? College 
>> starting 1957, military and SE Asia in 62, and Cycle 19 was in the 
>> rear view mirror when I got home at the end of 1967.? Oh that Cycle 25 
>> would repeat even half of 19!
>>
>> 73,
>>
>> Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
>> Sparks NV DM09dn
>> Washoe County
>
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From pasek001 at umn.edu  Sun Sep  9 12:11:05 2018
From: pasek001 at umn.edu (George Pasek)
Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2018 11:11:05 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 WSPR Thermo Stressing?
Message-ID: <64325923D22D427C94FFDFDD1C191CF1@JRPC>

I am using my KX3 as a WSPR beacon at 500mw with a Arduino based controller which provides GPS time sync, WSPR data, and audio.  Currently I am running mono band at 1 two minute transmit cycle per 10 minute time block.  Now I want to add KX3 band switching to my controller and increase my T/R duty cycle.  Watching the PA.I current I see that my current 2 minute ON 8 minute OFF cycle shows a 30c ON ? 46c OFF temp range.  Running a 2 minute ON 2 minute OFF cycle shows a stabilized 36c ? 49c range after about 5 ON/OFF cycles, and running continuous transmit cycles stabilizes at 48c ? 53c after 6 cycles.  So based on these 3 duty cycles I see a 16c, 13c, and a 5c temperature rise.  The 2 on/8 off has the lowest max temp but the widest temp range, the continuous transmit has the highest max temp but the lowest range.  My plan would be to have my controller switch the KX3 through 5 bands transmitting the 1 minute 53 seconds on a band and switching to the next band during the 7 second opening.



I have done extended temperature calibration with the XG50 so frequency stability should not be a issue.



My question is, 53c (127f) is hot, are there any thermo stress issues to the PA or the KX3 in general with running any of these three duty cycles?  Obviously I don?t want to damage my KX3.



Tnx

George

WD0AKZ


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From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Sun Sep  9 12:30:43 2018
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2018 12:30:43 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 WSPR Thermo Stressing?
In-Reply-To: <64325923D22D427C94FFDFDD1C191CF1@JRPC>
References: <64325923D22D427C94FFDFDD1C191CF1@JRPC>
Message-ID: <7bd3a6d7-1df3-e292-b298-04d53f727b0a@embarqmail.com>

George,

Actually 53 degC is not that hot.  Look at the specs for semiconductors 
and you will find that is only a medium temperature.

Actually at 500mW, it is unlikely that the KX3 will be damaged by even a 
continuous key-down.

If you are operating it outdoors, you should keep it out of direct sun.

If it concerns you, I would suggest adding one of the aftermarket heatsinks.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 9/9/2018 12:11 PM, George Pasek wrote:
> I am using my KX3 as a WSPR beacon at 500mw with a Arduino based controller which provides GPS time sync, WSPR data, and audio.  Currently I am running mono band at 1 two minute transmit cycle per 10 minute time block.  Now I want to add KX3 band switching to my controller and increase my T/R duty cycle.  Watching the PA.I current I see that my current 2 minute ON 8 minute OFF cycle shows a 30c ON ? 46c OFF temp range.  Running a 2 minute ON 2 minute OFF cycle shows a stabilized 36c ? 49c range after about 5 ON/OFF cycles, and running continuous transmit cycles stabilizes at 48c ? 53c after 6 cycles.  So based on these 3 duty cycles I see a 16c, 13c, and a 5c temperature rise.  The 2 on/8 off has the lowest max temp but the widest temp range, the continuous transmit has the highest max temp but the lowest range.  My plan would be to have my controller switch the KX3 through 5 bands transmitting the 1 minute 53 seconds on a band and switching to the next band during the 7 second opening.
> 
> I have done extended temperature calibration with the XG50 so frequency stability should not be a issue.
> 
> My question is, 53c (127f) is hot, are there any thermo stress issues to the PA or the KX3 in general with running any of these three duty cycles?  Obviously I don?t want to damage my KX3.

From wes_n7ws at triconet.org  Sun Sep  9 12:58:47 2018
From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes Stewart)
Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2018 09:58:47 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] searching for post by Wayne n6kr about counterpoise
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I suppose that if you're writing a book that has receiving antenna in its title, 
you're going to have to make a case for them even if you have to stretch a bit.

I remember bolting a 115 VAC coil Dowkey relay on the back of my DX100 for 
antenna change over in 1960 or so.? It was several years before I had a 
transceiver. The idea that separate antennas were the norm until transceivers 
came along is nonsense, IMHO of course.? Even the publisher of this book, ARRL, 
had many QST articles, such as "A Novice T.R. Switch", by Lew McCoy in the 
January 1961 issue that popularized T.R. switches.? Lew even stated, "It is 
always to the amateur's advantage to use the same antenna for both transmitting 
and receiving."

In the scheme of things, if my memory of the last 60 years isn't too faulty, 
separate RX antennas are a relatively new thing, popularized for the lower hand 
bands (40, 80 and 160), where of course they are supposed to have advantages. 
Personally, I'm two (SV/A and FR/G) away from top of the Honor Roll and have 
9-band DXCC and I have never used a separate RX antenna.? I guess I'll have to 
try one someday.

Wes? N7WS






On 9/9/2018 5:58 AM, hawley, charles j jr wrote:
> The ARRL recently published a book ?Receiving Antennas for the Radio Amateur?. It maintains that ?The function of transmitting antennas is to radiate power efficiently, while the function of receiving antennas is to present the best signal-to-noise ratio to the receiver?. It maintains that ?using the same antenna for transmitting and receiving roughly coincided with the advent of the transceiver in the 1950s and 1960s.? And ?The glaring differences in priorities between transmitting and receiving antennas becomes...well...glaring...when we start looking into the concept of efficiency.? And ?some of the most effective receiving antennas are abysmally poor performers when efficiency alone is considered?.
> It?s an interesting book.
>
> Chuck
> KE9UW
>


From k9jri at mac.com  Sun Sep  9 13:18:03 2018
From: k9jri at mac.com (Michael Blake)
Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2018 13:18:03 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] searching for post by Wayne n6kr about counterpoise
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Before I could afford a DowKey I used a DPDT knife switch with my AT1 and BC348. This was in 1957. I have never used a separate receiver antenna either. 

73 - Mike - K9JRI


> On Sep 9, 2018, at 12:58 PM, Wes Stewart <wes_n7ws at triconet.org> wrote:
> 
> I suppose that if you're writing a book that has receiving antenna in its title, you're going to have to make a case for them even if you have to stretch a bit.
> 
> I remember bolting a 115 VAC coil Dowkey relay on the back of my DX100 for antenna change over in 1960 or so.  It was several years before I had a transceiver. The idea that separate antennas were the norm until transceivers came along is nonsense, IMHO of course.  Even the publisher of this book, ARRL, had many QST articles, such as "A Novice T.R. Switch", by Lew McCoy in the January 1961 issue that popularized T.R. switches.  Lew even stated, "It is always to the amateur's advantage to use the same antenna for both transmitting and receiving."
> 
> In the scheme of things, if my memory of the last 60 years isn't too faulty, separate RX antennas are a relatively new thing, popularized for the lower hand bands (40, 80 and 160), where of course they are supposed to have advantages. Personally, I'm two (SV/A and FR/G) away from top of the Honor Roll and have 9-band DXCC and I have never used a separate RX antenna.  I guess I'll have to try one someday.
> 
> Wes  N7WS
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On 9/9/2018 5:58 AM, hawley, charles j jr wrote:
>> The ARRL recently published a book ?Receiving Antennas for the Radio Amateur?. It maintains that ?The function of transmitting antennas is to radiate power efficiently, while the function of receiving antennas is to present the best signal-to-noise ratio to the receiver?. It maintains that ?using the same antenna for transmitting and receiving roughly coincided with the advent of the transceiver in the 1950s and 1960s.? And ?The glaring differences in priorities between transmitting and receiving antennas becomes...well...glaring...when we start looking into the concept of efficiency.? And ?some of the most effective receiving antennas are abysmally poor performers when efficiency alone is considered?.
>> It?s an interesting book.
>> 
>> Chuck
>> KE9UW
>> 
> 
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From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Sun Sep  9 13:52:52 2018
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2018 12:52:52 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] searching for post by Wayne n6kr about counterpoise
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I've used a separate receive antenna..........once.?? Then I noticed 
when I transmitted on my dedicated transmit antenna,? I fried the front 
end of my receiver.??? Won't do that again.?? Of course I was a green 
General op at the time and that was in 1960.?? Since then.....well I 
chalk everything and every error and every oops to educational 
expense.?? And yes, I've paid out a lot and I've learned a lot.??? As a 
Novice I learned that DPDT knife switch worked every time and reliably 
too.? Since then, some 58 years in the passing, I've always used the 
same antenna for receiving as transmitting.? Works for me.

On the other hand, some ops say a blah blah blah antenna is quieter than 
a blah blah blah antenna.?? Or my antenna is flat from 160M - 6M.? Yeah, 
well so is my dummy load on both counts. There is no free ride folks.?? 
Yes it may be quieter because one of the nulls just happens to favor a 
noise source or a host of other reasons.? Or the system loss, feed line 
and matching network brings the signals and noise down closer to the 
noise floor of the receiver.? Once the signals and noise are about 10 to 
15 dB above the noise floor of the receive, the receiver begins to 
behave in a very nice manner.? Signals can be heard more effectively.?? 
I recall Rob Sherwood has written a good bit on this topic.? Worth the read.

73

Bob, K4TAX


On 9/9/2018 12:18 PM, Michael Blake via Elecraft wrote:
> Before I could afford a DowKey I used a DPDT knife switch with my AT1 and BC348. This was in 1957. I have never used a separate receiver antenna either.
>
> 73 - Mike - K9JRI
>
>
>> On Sep 9, 2018, at 12:58 PM, Wes Stewart <wes_n7ws at triconet.org> wrote:
>>
>> I suppose that if you're writing a book that has receiving antenna in its title, you're going to have to make a case for them even if you have to stretch a bit.
>>
>> I remember bolting a 115 VAC coil Dowkey relay on the back of my DX100 for antenna change over in 1960 or so.  It was several years before I had a transceiver. The idea that separate antennas were the norm until transceivers came along is nonsense, IMHO of course.  Even the publisher of this book, ARRL, had many QST articles, such as "A Novice T.R. Switch", by Lew McCoy in the January 1961 issue that popularized T.R. switches.  Lew even stated, "It is always to the amateur's advantage to use the same antenna for both transmitting and receiving."
>>
>> In the scheme of things, if my memory of the last 60 years isn't too faulty, separate RX antennas are a relatively new thing, popularized for the lower hand bands (40, 80 and 160), where of course they are supposed to have advantages. Personally, I'm two (SV/A and FR/G) away from top of the Honor Roll and have 9-band DXCC and I have never used a separate RX antenna.  I guess I'll have to try one someday.
>>
>> Wes  N7WS
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On 9/9/2018 5:58 AM, hawley, charles j jr wrote:
>>> The ARRL recently published a book ?Receiving Antennas for the Radio Amateur?. It maintains that ?The function of transmitting antennas is to radiate power efficiently, while the function of receiving antennas is to present the best signal-to-noise ratio to the receiver?. It maintains that ?using the same antenna for transmitting and receiving roughly coincided with the advent of the transceiver in the 1950s and 1960s.? And ?The glaring differences in priorities between transmitting and receiving antennas becomes...well...glaring...when we start looking into the concept of efficiency.? And ?some of the most effective receiving antennas are abysmally poor performers when efficiency alone is considered?.
>>> It?s an interesting book.
>>>
>>> Chuck
>>> KE9UW
>>>
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From c-hawley at illinois.edu  Sun Sep  9 14:08:00 2018
From: c-hawley at illinois.edu (hawley, charles j jr)
Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2018 18:08:00 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] searching for post by Wayne n6kr about counterpoise
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I?ve used small tuned loops to null out local noise and various wire antennas. The biggest issue I?ve had with receiving antennas has been trying to keep the transmitted power out of the transceiver?s separate receive input. FYI, a pair of parallel crossed 1N914 diodes across the input worked well. Something I originally used for NMR receivers.

Chuck
KE9UW

Sent from my iPhone, cjack 

> On Sep 9, 2018, at 12:18 PM, Michael Blake via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
> 
> Before I could afford a DowKey I used a DPDT knife switch with my AT1 and BC348. This was in 1957. I have never used a separate receiver antenna either. 
> 
> 73 - Mike - K9JRI
> 
> 
>> On Sep 9, 2018, at 12:58 PM, Wes Stewart <wes_n7ws at triconet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> I suppose that if you're writing a book that has receiving antenna in its title, you're going to have to make a case for them even if you have to stretch a bit.
>> 
>> I remember bolting a 115 VAC coil Dowkey relay on the back of my DX100 for antenna change over in 1960 or so.  It was several years before I had a transceiver. The idea that separate antennas were the norm until transceivers came along is nonsense, IMHO of course.  Even the publisher of this book, ARRL, had many QST articles, such as "A Novice T.R. Switch", by Lew McCoy in the January 1961 issue that popularized T.R. switches.  Lew even stated, "It is always to the amateur's advantage to use the same antenna for both transmitting and receiving."
>> 
>> In the scheme of things, if my memory of the last 60 years isn't too faulty, separate RX antennas are a relatively new thing, popularized for the lower hand bands (40, 80 and 160), where of course they are supposed to have advantages. Personally, I'm two (SV/A and FR/G) away from top of the Honor Roll and have 9-band DXCC and I have never used a separate RX antenna.  I guess I'll have to try one someday.
>> 
>> Wes  N7WS
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 9/9/2018 5:58 AM, hawley, charles j jr wrote:
>>> The ARRL recently published a book ?Receiving Antennas for the Radio Amateur?. It maintains that ?The function of transmitting antennas is to radiate power efficiently, while the function of receiving antennas is to present the best signal-to-noise ratio to the receiver?. It maintains that ?using the same antenna for transmitting and receiving roughly coincided with the advent of the transceiver in the 1950s and 1960s.? And ?The glaring differences in priorities between transmitting and receiving antennas becomes...well...glaring...when we start looking into the concept of efficiency.? And ?some of the most effective receiving antennas are abysmally poor performers when efficiency alone is considered?.
>>> It?s an interesting book.
>>> 
>>> Chuck
>>> KE9UW
>>> 
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From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Sun Sep  9 14:22:46 2018
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2018 11:22:46 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Receiving Antennas
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I strongly agree with this, and while I haven't seen that book, I just 
published an applications note about chokes and transformers for 
receiving antennas that includes the concepts quoted from that book.

I often work DX contests running 5W, including most 160M contests. The 
stations that are able to work me are those with good RX antennas. That 
matters a lot in contests like the Stew Perry, where each contact is 
scored by a formula that includes multipliers for distance and for the 
power used on each end.? The guy on the other end of a QSO with a QRP 
station gets extra points for that QSO.

A few years ago, I was attempting to work three DXpeditions that were 
around the Antarctic circle on 160M. I was running legal limit, and they 
could hear me, but the hardest part of the QSO was me hearing them, 
thanks to my local noise. I worked all three of them, but at least one 
of them would not have made it into the log without the Beverage I have 
pointed in that direction.

I also do a lot of contesting running legal limit, and in some contests 
where power is limited to 100W. I have very good TX antennas for 80 and 
40, so a lot of east coast stations are calling me, often with not so 
good antennas. I'm able to hear and work more of them because of the 
Beverage I have pointed in that direction.

Not everyone benefits from RX antennas -- those who don't care to work 
weak stations, and those with very low local noise levels, for example. 
And not everyone CAN install RX antennas -- most of us are lucky to be 
able rig a TX antenna. That was my situation when I lived on city lots 
in the middle of Chicago, and even in the WV city where I grew up!

73, Jim K9YC

On 9/9/2018 5:58 AM, hawley, charles j jr wrote:
> The ARRL recently published a book ?Receiving Antennas for the Radio Amateur?. It maintains that ?The function of transmitting antennas is to radiate power efficiently, while the function of receiving antennas is to present the best signal-to-noise ratio to the receiver?. It maintains that ?using the same antenna for transmitting and receiving roughly coincided with the advent of the transceiver in the 1950s and 1960s.? And ?The glaring differences in priorities between transmitting and receiving antennas becomes...well...glaring...when we start looking into the concept of efficiency.? And ?some of the most effective receiving antennas are abysmally poor performers when efficiency alone is considered?.
> It?s an interesting book.



From k6dgw at foothill.net  Sun Sep  9 15:14:47 2018
From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen)
Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2018 12:14:47 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] searching for post by Wayne n6kr about counterpoise
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I think you'll find the quoted statement below to be nonsense, Chuck, I 
think he made that up.? Hams in the 40's and 50's [and probably before] 
used one antenna because antennas are expensive and require space.? None 
of the ham community I knew when I was first licensed in pre-transceiver 
days [1953] used separate receiving antennas.? I remember being given a 
Dow-Key coax relay with a movable spring-loaded pin on the receive side 
that shorted the RX when in TX for the first TX I built from scratch [2 
807's in PP to cancel the 2nd harmonic of 10 m in Channel 2].

Transceivers came along near the end of the 50's and were undoubtedly a 
huge motivator for the shift from AM to SSB since you were guaranteed to 
transmit and receive on the same frequency, removing one of the 
difficulties of separate TX and RX, and zero-beating with no carrier.? 
Separate RX antennas were the rule in maritime CW at the time, TX and RX 
sites were separated by miles.

Separate RX antennas sort of crept into the ham vernacular much later, 
mainly in the context of large contest/DX superstations. It is certainly 
true that while a Beverage RX antenna can produce a really desirable S/N 
ratio over the TX Inv-L on 160, and you would never want to TX on it, 
the reason most of us do not have Beverage RX antennas is we don't own 
enough land.? I believe that Don Wallace, W6AM, who definitely owned 
enough land had several Beverages scattered around under the multiple TX 
rhombics. [:-)
73,

Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

On 9/9/2018 5:58 AM, hawley, charles j jr wrote:
> It maintains that ?using the same antenna for transmitting and receiving roughly coincided with the advent of the transceiver in the 1950s and 1960s.?


From don_roberts2000 at yahoo.com  Sun Sep  9 15:25:44 2018
From: don_roberts2000 at yahoo.com (Don Roberts)
Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2018 19:25:44 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] ARRL book on receiving antennas
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Having been a ham since 1956, I also agree from my experience, that I along with every ham I knew, used the same antenna to receive and transmit. From my first home brew one tube, through my first Globe Chief kit, through Globe Scout, NCX3, and Globe GTX 550, all in the 50/s and into the 60/s, and all had the same antenna for receive and transmit. I too, went from the dpdt knife switch, to the Dow Key relay. My QSL collection? confirms this for the stations worked during that period.?
73, Don W4CBS?
Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android

From farrerfolks at yahoo.com  Sun Sep  9 15:36:15 2018
From: farrerfolks at yahoo.com (Mel Farrer)
Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2018 19:36:15 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] ARRL book on receiving antennas
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Great Don,
You and I grew up in the same time era......??
Now, I am wiser and have more CRS,,,,,? ? Anyway, Here is my take on antennas in general.? I have MANY that I can chose from at any time, HOWEVER,? Some antennas "hear" better even if they are not as efficient as my transmitting antenna.? The crazy thing is the good receiving antenna, when things get tough, are not the most efficient on transmit.? Does that make sense?? I hope so.
Mel, K6KBE

      From: Don Roberts via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
 To: "Elecraft at mailman.qth.net" <Elecraft at mailman.qth.net> 
 Sent: Sunday, September 9, 2018 12:27 PM
 Subject: [Elecraft] ARRL book on receiving antennas
   
Having been a ham since 1956, I also agree from my experience, that I along with every ham I knew, used the same antenna to receive and transmit. From my first home brew one tube, through my first Globe Chief kit, through Globe Scout, NCX3, and Globe GTX 550, all in the 50/s and into the 60/s, and all had the same antenna for receive and transmit. I too, went from the dpdt knife switch, to the Dow Key relay. My QSL collection? confirms this for the stations worked during that period.?
73, Don W4CBS?
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From kstover at ac0h.net  Sun Sep  9 15:38:58 2018
From: kstover at ac0h.net (kstover at ac0h.net)
Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2018 14:38:58 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] searching for post by Wayne n6kr about counterpoise
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On the low bands 160/80 nothing beats a Beverage, built correctly. It's a
very inefficient antenna and wouldn't radiate worth a crap. On the low bands
we're looking for increased signal to noise ratio NOT maximum gain. 160m
verticals can be pretty efficient radiators. They stink on receive because
of noise caused by arrival angels and polarization. They hear equally badly
in all directions at once.

On the high bands nothing beats a yagi/quad/log, mainly because of their
increased gain and efficiency compared to the alternatives. With a
yagi/quad/log you can point the "gain" in your favored direction and turn
your back on "noise". The gain of a yagi/quad/log works equally on TX and
RX.


R. Kevin Stover    AC0H

ARRL, FISTS, SKCC, NAQCC.
"If it doesn't work the first time you push the button it won't work the
20th.Just stop."

-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On
Behalf Of hawley, charles j jr
Sent: Sunday, September 9, 2018 7:59 AM
To: David Gilbert <xdavid at cis-broadband.com>
Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] searching for post by Wayne n6kr about counterpoise

The ARRL recently published a book "Receiving Antennas for the Radio
Amateur". It maintains that "The function of transmitting antennas is to
radiate power efficiently, while the function of receiving antennas is to
present the best signal-to-noise ratio to the receiver". It maintains that
"using the same antenna for transmitting and receiving roughly coincided
with the advent of the transceiver in the 1950s and 1960s." And "The glaring
differences in priorities between transmitting and receiving antennas
becomes...well...glaring...when we start looking into the concept of
efficiency." And "some of the most effective receiving antennas are
abysmally poor performers when efficiency alone is considered".
It's an interesting book.

Chuck
KE9UW

Sent from my iPhone, cjack 

> On Sep 9, 2018, at 2:16 AM, David Gilbert <xdavid at cis-broadband.com>
wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> I truly do not understand why this idea that "I can work anything I can
hear" hangs around as a gauge of anything meaningful.  It's a totally
meaningless reference.  Antennas are generally (as in almost always)
reciprocal between transmit and receive, so if you suck on transmit you're
likely to equally suck on receive.  So yeah ... most of us probably can work
anything we can hear but that doesn't mean anything other than we haven't
managed to screw up the physics of the world.
> 
> 73,
> Dave   AB7E
> 
> 
> 
>> On 9/8/2018 5:00 PM, Fred Jensen wrote:
>> During the runup to Cycle 19 [!1957 for me], it was said you could work
anything you could hear on 10 with 20 watts to the window screen. Window
screens were copper in those days.  I tried it out with my "28-28"
[6J6-2E26] rockbound 10 m TX, and indeed, I seemed to be able to work
everything I heard if I had a 40 m rock close enough.  Window screens are no
longer copper so I don't think it would work today.  My "tuner" was the
adjustable link coupling to the tank.  College starting 1957, military and
SE Asia in 62, and Cycle 19 was in the rear view mirror when I got home at
the end of 1967.  Oh that Cycle 25 would repeat even half of 19!
>> 
>> 73,
>> 
>> Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
>> Sparks NV DM09dn
>> Washoe County
> 
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From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Sun Sep  9 15:39:25 2018
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2018 14:39:25 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] ARRL book on receiving antennas
In-Reply-To: <2028736865.2530985.1536521775974@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <451007983.2122219.1536521144222.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
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How does one measure transmit antenna efficiency?  

Bob, K4TAX


Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 9, 2018, at 2:36 PM, Mel Farrer via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
> 
> Great Don,
> You and I grew up in the same time era......  
> Now, I am wiser and have more CRS,,,,,    Anyway, Here is my take on antennas in general.  I have MANY that I can chose from at any time, HOWEVER,  Some antennas "hear" better even if they are not as efficient as my transmitting antenna.  The crazy thing is the good receiving antenna, when things get tough, are not the most efficient on transmit.  Does that make sense?  I hope so.
> Mel, K6KBE
> 
>      From: Don Roberts via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> To: "Elecraft at mailman.qth.net" <Elecraft at mailman.qth.net> 
> Sent: Sunday, September 9, 2018 12:27 PM
> Subject: [Elecraft] ARRL book on receiving antennas
> 
> Having been a ham since 1956, I also agree from my experience, that I along with every ham I knew, used the same antenna to receive and transmit. From my first home brew one tube, through my first Globe Chief kit, through Globe Scout, NCX3, and Globe GTX 550, all in the 50/s and into the 60/s, and all had the same antenna for receive and transmit. I too, went from the dpdt knife switch, to the Dow Key relay. My QSL collection  confirms this for the stations worked during that period. 
> 73, Don W4CBS 
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From gkidder at ilstu.edu  Sun Sep  9 15:51:15 2018
From: gkidder at ilstu.edu (George Kidder)
Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2018 15:51:15 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] ARRL book on receiving antennas
In-Reply-To: <97EEB4D9-8B0C-4881-83B9-8C83D438628A@blomand.net>
References: <451007983.2122219.1536521144222.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
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	<97EEB4D9-8B0C-4881-83B9-8C83D438628A@blomand.net>
Message-ID: <0b4fbbdb-c21d-c985-54d0-09570195705c@ilstu.edu>

"The proof of the pudding is in the eating thereof."

73 - W3HBM


On 9/9/2018 3:39 PM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote:
> How does one measure transmit antenna efficiency?
>
> Bob, K4TAX
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Sep 9, 2018, at 2:36 PM, Mel Farrer via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
>>
>> Great Don,
>> You and I grew up in the same time era......
>> Now, I am wiser and have more CRS,,,,,    Anyway, Here is my take on antennas in general.  I have MANY that I can chose from at any time, HOWEVER,  Some antennas "hear" better even if they are not as efficient as my transmitting antenna.  The crazy thing is the good receiving antenna, when things get tough, are not the most efficient on transmit.  Does that make sense?  I hope so.
>> Mel, K6KBE
>>
>>       From: Don Roberts via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
>> To: "Elecraft at mailman.qth.net" <Elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
>> Sent: Sunday, September 9, 2018 12:27 PM
>> Subject: [Elecraft] ARRL book on receiving antennas
>>
>> Having been a ham since 1956, I also agree from my experience, that I along with every ham I knew, used the same antenna to receive and transmit. From my first home brew one tube, through my first Globe Chief kit, through Globe Scout, NCX3, and Globe GTX 550, all in the 50/s and into the 60/s, and all had the same antenna for receive and transmit. I too, went from the dpdt knife switch, to the Dow Key relay. My QSL collection  confirms this for the stations worked during that period.
>> 73, Don W4CBS
>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
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From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Sun Sep  9 16:01:29 2018
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2018 13:01:29 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] ARRL book on receiving antennas
In-Reply-To: <97EEB4D9-8B0C-4881-83B9-8C83D438628A@blomand.net>
References: <451007983.2122219.1536521144222.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<451007983.2122219.1536521144222@mail.yahoo.com>
	<2028736865.2530985.1536521775974@mail.yahoo.com>
	<97EEB4D9-8B0C-4881-83B9-8C83D438628A@blomand.net>
Message-ID: <795e71d5-f460-5f61-c1a9-ab1eac14f53c@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On 9/9/2018 12:39 PM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote:
> How does one measure transmit antenna efficiency?

Not easily. :)? But NEC provides quite good predictions IF the antenna 
is completely and accurately described in the model. For verticals, that 
includes ground quality. For all antennas it includes height above 
ground, counterpoise, radial systems, and transmission lines.

AND -- propagation reporting systems like WSPR and the Reverse Beacon 
Network (RBN) can provide very good comparisons between antennas IF a 
LOT of reports from? a LOT of stations is averaged over a LOT of time.

73, Jim K9YC


From farrerfolks at yahoo.com  Sun Sep  9 16:03:19 2018
From: farrerfolks at yahoo.com (Mel Farrer)
Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2018 20:03:19 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] ARRL book on receiving antennas
In-Reply-To: <97EEB4D9-8B0C-4881-83B9-8C83D438628A@blomand.net>
References: <451007983.2122219.1536521144222.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
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VERY CAREFULLY on an antenna range for that purpose.? You can model it and get an idea of what it should be, but it is installation specific.??
Mel, K6KBE

      From: Bob McGraw K4TAX <rmcgraw at blomand.net>
 To: Mel Farrer <farrerfolks at yahoo.com> 
Cc: "don_roberts2000 at yahoo.com" <don_roberts2000 at yahoo.com>; "Elecraft at mailman.qth.net" <Elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
 Sent: Sunday, September 9, 2018 12:39 PM
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] ARRL book on receiving antennas
   
How does one measure transmit antenna efficiency?? 

Bob, K4TAX


Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 9, 2018, at 2:36 PM, Mel Farrer via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
> 
> Great Don,
> You and I grew up in the same time era......? 
> Now, I am wiser and have more CRS,,,,,? ? Anyway, Here is my take on antennas in general.? I have MANY that I can chose from at any time, HOWEVER,? Some antennas "hear" better even if they are not as efficient as my transmitting antenna.? The crazy thing is the good receiving antenna, when things get tough, are not the most efficient on transmit.? Does that make sense?? I hope so.
> Mel, K6KBE
> 
>? ? ? From: Don Roberts via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> To: "Elecraft at mailman.qth.net" <Elecraft at mailman.qth.net> 
> Sent: Sunday, September 9, 2018 12:27 PM
> Subject: [Elecraft] ARRL book on receiving antennas
> 
> Having been a ham since 1956, I also agree from my experience, that I along with every ham I knew, used the same antenna to receive and transmit. From my first home brew one tube, through my first Globe Chief kit, through Globe Scout, NCX3, and Globe GTX 550, all in the 50/s and into the 60/s, and all had the same antenna for receive and transmit. I too, went from the dpdt knife switch, to the Dow Key relay. My QSL collection? confirms this for the stations worked during that period. 
> 73, Don W4CBS 
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
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From farrerfolks at yahoo.com  Sun Sep  9 16:05:59 2018
From: farrerfolks at yahoo.com (Mel Farrer)
Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2018 20:05:59 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] ARRL book on receiving antennas
In-Reply-To: <795e71d5-f460-5f61-c1a9-ab1eac14f53c@audiosystemsgroup.com>
References: <451007983.2122219.1536521144222.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<451007983.2122219.1536521144222@mail.yahoo.com>
	<2028736865.2530985.1536521775974@mail.yahoo.com>
	<97EEB4D9-8B0C-4881-83B9-8C83D438628A@blomand.net>
	<795e71d5-f460-5f61-c1a9-ab1eac14f53c@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Message-ID: <2003300308.2543148.1536523559091@mail.yahoo.com>

You said it Jim, but in to many words, It is installation specific, period.
Mel, K6KBE

      From: Jim Brown <jim at audiosystemsgroup.com>
 To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net 
 Sent: Sunday, September 9, 2018 1:03 PM
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] ARRL book on receiving antennas
   
On 9/9/2018 12:39 PM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote:
> How does one measure transmit antenna efficiency?

Not easily. :)? But NEC provides quite good predictions IF the antenna 
is completely and accurately described in the model. For verticals, that 
includes ground quality. For all antennas it includes height above 
ground, counterpoise, radial systems, and transmission lines.

AND -- propagation reporting systems like WSPR and the Reverse Beacon 
Network (RBN) can provide very good comparisons between antennas IF a 
LOT of reports from? a LOT of stations is averaged over a LOT of time.

73, Jim K9YC

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From k6dgw at foothill.net  Sun Sep  9 16:26:35 2018
From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen)
Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2018 13:26:35 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] ARRL book on receiving antennas
In-Reply-To: <97EEB4D9-8B0C-4881-83B9-8C83D438628A@blomand.net>
References: <451007983.2122219.1536521144222.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
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	<97EEB4D9-8B0C-4881-83B9-8C83D438628A@blomand.net>
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It's the double integral of the power [watts] over all elevation angles 
0 to Pi and all azimuths 0 to 2Pi divided by the power [watts] 
dissipated in the radiation resistance at the feed point.? This of 
course assumes the antenna is over a flat, horizontal plane. ;-)

73,

Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

On 9/9/2018 12:39 PM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote:
> How does one measure transmit antenna efficiency?
>
> Bob, K4TAX
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Sep 9, 2018, at 2:36 PM, Mel Farrer via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
>>
>> Great Don,
>> You and I grew up in the same time era......
>> Now, I am wiser and have more CRS,,,,,    Anyway, Here is my take on antennas in general.  I have MANY that I can chose from at any time, HOWEVER,  Some antennas "hear" better even if they are not as efficient as my transmitting antenna.  The crazy thing is the good receiving antenna, when things get tough, are not the most efficient on transmit.  Does that make sense?  I hope so.
>> Mel, K6KBE
>>
>>       From: Don Roberts via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
>> To: "Elecraft at mailman.qth.net" <Elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
>> Sent: Sunday, September 9, 2018 12:27 PM
>> Subject: [Elecraft] ARRL book on receiving antennas
>>
>> Having been a ham since 1956, I also agree from my experience, that I along with every ham I knew, used the same antenna to receive and transmit. From my first home brew one tube, through my first Globe Chief kit, through Globe Scout, NCX3, and Globe GTX 550, all in the 50/s and into the 60/s, and all had the same antenna for receive and transmit. I too, went from the dpdt knife switch, to the Dow Key relay. My QSL collection  confirms this for the stations worked during that period.
>> 73, Don W4CBS
>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
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From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Sun Sep  9 16:52:38 2018
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2018 13:52:38 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] ARRL book on receiving antennas
In-Reply-To: <1170474012.2539063.1536523399898@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <451007983.2122219.1536521144222.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
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	<2028736865.2530985.1536521775974@mail.yahoo.com>
	<97EEB4D9-8B0C-4881-83B9-8C83D438628A@blomand.net>
	<1170474012.2539063.1536523399898@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <222e7b56-410b-bd94-607b-bfe173e4bf43@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On 9/9/2018 1:03 PM, Mel Farrer via Elecraft wrote:
> VERY CAREFULLY on an antenna range for that purpose.? You can model it and get an idea of what it should be, but it is installation specific.

AND the test ranges required for HF and MF antennas occupy a lot of land 
with well defined and consistent soil quality. We're talking tens and 
hundreds of square miles, the ability to make calibrated measurements in 
three dimensions, and military budgets.

I'm aware of several excellent antenna engineers who have done some 
great work with drones to measure antenna DIRECTIVITY. but efficiency is 
another BIG step up in both complexity and cost.

73, Jim K9YC


From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Sun Sep  9 16:59:03 2018
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2018 15:59:03 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] ARRL book on receiving antennas
In-Reply-To: <222e7b56-410b-bd94-607b-bfe173e4bf43@audiosystemsgroup.com>
References: <451007983.2122219.1536521144222.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<451007983.2122219.1536521144222@mail.yahoo.com>
	<2028736865.2530985.1536521775974@mail.yahoo.com>
	<97EEB4D9-8B0C-4881-83B9-8C83D438628A@blomand.net>
	<1170474012.2539063.1536523399898@mail.yahoo.com>
	<222e7b56-410b-bd94-607b-bfe173e4bf43@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Message-ID: <AC12C306-2C52-4D61-9941-1DD11AF7E197@blomand.net>

That's one of the reasons I asked the question.  Normally antenna efficiency is measured in an RF anechoic chamber. I'm not aware of one suitable in size for HF antennas. 

Bob, K4TAX


Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 9, 2018, at 3:52 PM, Jim Brown <jim at audiosystemsgroup.com> wrote:
> 
>> On 9/9/2018 1:03 PM, Mel Farrer via Elecraft wrote:
>> VERY CAREFULLY on an antenna range for that purpose.  You can model it and get an idea of what it should be, but it is installation specific.
> 
> AND the test ranges required for HF and MF antennas occupy a lot of land with well defined and consistent soil quality. We're talking tens and hundreds of square miles, the ability to make calibrated measurements in three dimensions, and military budgets.
> 
> I'm aware of several excellent antenna engineers who have done some great work with drones to measure antenna DIRECTIVITY. but efficiency is another BIG step up in both complexity and cost.
> 
> 73, Jim K9YC
> 
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From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Sun Sep  9 17:01:26 2018
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2018 17:01:26 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] ARRL book on receiving antennas
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Skip,

That is a great formula for theory - I vaguely remember it from my 
electromagnetic fields course.
But how you measure it?
With practical measurement equipment, it is difficult to isolate to a 
single plane.

That may be do-able with fully characterized equipment in a controlled 
antenna field space or in an EMC lab, but it certainly is not practical 
in a typical ham antenna installation - and even the radiation 
resistance is not easily measured.

Antenna modeling done properly will provide a much more easily produced 
result.  Comparative results between different antennas can be obtained 
from a reference pickup antenna, but that can only show the relative 
performance, we still have to guess at the efficiency.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 9/9/2018 4:26 PM, Fred Jensen wrote:
> It's the double integral of the power [watts] over all elevation angles 
> 0 to Pi and all azimuths 0 to 2Pi divided by the power [watts] 
> dissipated in the radiation resistance at the feed point.? This of 
> course assumes the antenna is over a flat, horizontal plane. ;-)
> 
> 73,
> 
> Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
> Sparks NV DM09dn
> Washoe County
> 
> On 9/9/2018 12:39 PM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote:
>> How does one measure transmit antenna efficiency?
>>
>> Bob, K4TAX

From nw8l at whitemesa.com  Sun Sep  9 17:35:44 2018
From: nw8l at whitemesa.com (Robert Cunnings)
Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2018 15:35:44 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [Elecraft] searching for post by Wayne n6kr about counterpoise
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Times change.

In recent years vertically polarized man-made electrical noise has been a 
growing problem. I was forced to use a dedicated receive antenna to 
mitigate severe local noise problems (switching power supplies, plasma TVs 
etc.) from my surrounding neighbors. Because the only practical transmit 
antenna option was a vertical (little space), I had to give up on it as a 
receiving antenna. After some experimentation, I settled on what is 
essentially a folded dipole antenna cut for 40m, which is very close to 
the ground. It's about 60 ft long and the wire spacing is about 4 ft, with 
the lower wire only 2 ft from the earth, with a balun at the feedpoint in 
the middle of the higher wire. 50 ohm coax runs from the balun to the 
shack, lying on the ground to further minimize noise pickup. It is 
strung along a fence on the lot line.

On all bands from 40m to 15m, the difference in signal to local noise 
ratio between it and the vertical transmit antenna and this antenna is 
considerable, up to 15dB. I suspect it would be a terrible transmit 
antenna, but it works fine as a receive antenna. DX signals are often 
heard by it much better than on the vertical. I don't have problems with 
the transmit signal overloading the receiver input, perhaps because they 
are polarized differently. The folded dipole feedpoint is about 50 ft. 
from the vertical antenna.

The advantage of the separate receive antenna is that I can use an NCC-1
phasing system box in conjunction with the handy RX ANT In/Out insert 
point on my K3. It's configured to use the Tx antenna signal from RX 
ANT Out as the noise signal into one of the NCC-1 inputs, with the other 
receive antenna connected to the other, and the NCC-1 output connected to 
RX ANT In. The difference in vertically polarized local noise pickup 
between the antennas lets me get a deep null on any particular noise 
source in the surrounding houses. The effect is to allow me to operate 
when I'd otherwise have to give up and be content with watching the 
man-made noise waveforms dance around on the P3 screen. Using the NCC-1 
introduces a directional effect of course, but as long as the signal isn't 
arriving at exactly the same azimuth as the local noise it works well.

I think that a lot of folks afflicted with strong local noise are using 
small so-called magnetic loop antennas for the same reason.

At times I feel like the Grinch in "How the Grinch Stole Christmas", 
muttering "...the noise noise noise!".

73,
Bob NW8L

> title, you're going to have to make a case for them even if you have to 
> stretch a bit.
>
> I remember bolting a 115 VAC coil Dowkey relay on the back of my DX100 for 
> antenna change over in 1960 or so.? It was several years before I had a 
> transceiver. The idea that separate antennas were the norm until transceivers 
> came along is nonsense, IMHO of course.? Even the publisher of this book, 
> ARRL, had many QST articles, such as "A Novice T.R. Switch", by Lew McCoy in 
> the January 1961 issue that popularized T.R. switches.? Lew even stated, "It 
> is always to the amateur's advantage to use the same antenna for both 
> transmitting and receiving."
>
> In the scheme of things, if my memory of the last 60 years isn't too faulty, 
> separate RX antennas are a relatively new thing, popularized for the lower 
> hand bands (40, 80 and 160), where of course they are supposed to have 
> advantages. Personally, I'm two (SV/A and FR/G) away from top of the Honor 
> Roll and have 9-band DXCC and I have never used a separate RX antenna.? I 
> guess I'll have to try one someday.
>
> Wes? N7WS
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 9/9/2018 5:58 AM, hawley, charles j jr wrote:
>> The ARRL recently published a book ?Receiving Antennas for the Radio 
>> Amateur?. It maintains that ?The function of transmitting antennas is to 
>> radiate power efficiently, while the function of receiving antennas is to 
>> present the best signal-to-noise ratio to the receiver?. It maintains that 
>> ?using the same antenna for transmitting and receiving roughly coincided 
>> with the advent of the transceiver in the 1950s and 1960s.? And ?The 
>> glaring differences in priorities between transmitting and receiving 
>> antennas becomes...well...glaring...when we start looking into the concept 
>> of efficiency.? And ?some of the most effective receiving antennas are 
>> abysmally poor performers when efficiency alone is considered?.
>> It?s an interesting book.
>> 
>> Chuck
>> KE9UW
>> 
>
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From pasek001 at umn.edu  Sun Sep  9 17:57:44 2018
From: pasek001 at umn.edu (George Pasek)
Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2018 16:57:44 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 WSPR Thermo Stressing?
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Thanks for your reply Don.

I read the High Temp Limit is set for 60c so I figure I was not dangerously 
high but just wanted to check if there might be a mechanical preference 
between the shorter duty cycle with the lower temp but larger temp swing 
causing more of a expansion contraction issue over time or the higher duty 
cycle with higher temp but not near as much heating cooling.  I know that on 
some devices the thermo stressing of components due to repeated heating 
cooling cycles is a issue.

This will probably be in continuous use for a while so my concern is the 
long term effects.

I will keep a watch on the temp and maybe add the heatsink as you suggested.

tnx
George
WD0AKZ

-----Original Message----- 
From: Don Wilhelm
Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2018 11:30 AM
To: George Pasek ; elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 WSPR Thermo Stressing?

George,

Actually 53 degC is not that hot.  Look at the specs for semiconductors
and you will find that is only a medium temperature.

Actually at 500mW, it is unlikely that the KX3 will be damaged by even a
continuous key-down.

If you are operating it outdoors, you should keep it out of direct sun.

If it concerns you, I would suggest adding one of the aftermarket heatsinks.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 9/9/2018 12:11 PM, George Pasek wrote:
> I am using my KX3 as a WSPR beacon at 500mw with a Arduino based 
> controller which provides GPS time sync, WSPR data, and audio.  Currently 
> I am running mono band at 1 two minute transmit cycle per 10 minute time 
> block.  Now I want to add KX3 band switching to my controller and increase 
> my T/R duty cycle.  Watching the PA.I current I see that my current 2 
> minute ON 8 minute OFF cycle shows a 30c ON ? 46c OFF temp range.  Running 
> a 2 minute ON 2 minute OFF cycle shows a stabilized 36c ? 49c range after 
> about 5 ON/OFF cycles, and running continuous transmit cycles stabilizes 
> at 48c ? 53c after 6 cycles.  So based on these 3 duty cycles I see a 16c, 
> 13c, and a 5c temperature rise.  The 2 on/8 off has the lowest max temp 
> but the widest temp range, the continuous transmit has the highest max 
> temp but the lowest range.  My plan would be to have my controller switch 
> the KX3 through 5 bands transmitting the 1 minute 53 seconds on a band and 
> switching to the next band during the 7 second opening.
>
> I have done extended temperature calibration with the XG50 so frequency 
> stability should not be a issue.
>
> My question is, 53c (127f) is hot, are there any thermo stress issues to 
> the PA or the KX3 in general with running any of these three duty cycles? 
> Obviously I don?t want to damage my KX3. 


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From bob at hogbytes.com  Sun Sep  9 18:45:00 2018
From: bob at hogbytes.com (Bob N3MNT)
Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2018 15:45:00 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 WSPR Thermo Stressing?
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You can always add a small PC type fan that sits on the desk and blows on the
KX3 heat sink.  I will just add an extra margin of comfort.




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From k6dgw at foothill.net  Sun Sep  9 18:48:48 2018
From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen)
Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2018 15:48:48 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] ARRL book on receiving antennas
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Yes, very straightforward theory.? Just gather all the watts actually 
radiated by the antenna and divide it by the watts you put into Rr.? 
Unfortunately, I did not really address Bob's question ... "How do you 
sweep up all those watts?" :-)? That is a nearly intractable problem at 
HF unless you'll tolerate significant inaccuracies and assumptions.? 
It's much easier at UHF and uWaves.

An alternative is to measure/compute the losses.? Did something similar 
on a 10 KW FM broadcast TX, calculating the power it took to heat the 
exhaust air on the premise that the rest went up the coax to the antenna 
and I knew what the PA input power was.

KFBK in Sacramento CA [1530 KHz] eliminated a lot of the unmeasurable 
variables by employing a Franklin antenna [center-fed half-wave 
vertical] over the rice fields of the southern Sacramento Valley [nearly 
always standing water, and always wet]. The center-fed vertical exhibits 
far less ground losses than bottom-fed monopoles ... at 50 KW, it's 
colloquially known as the "Flame Thrower of Sacramento."? It may be the 
only Franklin left in NA.? KFBK is also famous as the birthplace of the 
RCA Ampliphase transmitters and the radio birthplace of Rush Limbaugh.

NEC models coupled with terrain models can be used to establish upper 
and lower bounds on antenna efficiency with pretty good fidelity to 
reality.? But Bob still posed a good question.

73,

Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

On 9/9/2018 2:01 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
> Skip,
>
> That is a great formula for theory - I vaguely remember it from my 
> electromagnetic fields course.
> But how you measure it?
> With practical measurement equipment, it is difficult to isolate to a 
> single plane.
>
> That may be do-able with fully characterized equipment in a controlled 
> antenna field space or in an EMC lab, but it certainly is not 
> practical in a typical ham antenna installation - and even the 
> radiation resistance is not easily measured.
>
> Antenna modeling done properly will provide a much more easily 
> produced result.? Comparative results between different antennas can 
> be obtained from a reference pickup antenna, but that can only show 
> the relative performance, we still have to guess at the efficiency.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR


From mike.flowers at gmail.com  Sun Sep  9 19:23:24 2018
From: mike.flowers at gmail.com (Mike Flowers)
Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2018 16:23:24 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 MIC socket
Message-ID: <CAKLNW1oZ6UP+eAE6U0220pa7wTmuFyXgA1Ft4aoNBJ9=QBXbrA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Folks,

What size is the MIC socket on the side of a KX3?  It appears to me to be
larger than a 3.5 mm socket.

I'm getting a new-to-me KX3 here on Monday and want to be prepared.

Thanks for your help.

*73 de Mike, K6MKF - Director & Past President, NCDXC*

From wunder at wunderwood.org  Sun Sep  9 19:31:34 2018
From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood)
Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2018 16:31:34 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 MIC socket
In-Reply-To: <CAKLNW1oZ6UP+eAE6U0220pa7wTmuFyXgA1Ft4aoNBJ9=QBXbrA@mail.gmail.com>
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It is a TRRS 3.5 mm socket. If you want to use a non-Elecraft mic, you might want to break out the PTT line. You can do that with a stereo-to-mono splitter.

I wrote a blog post about that, here:

https://observer.wunderwood.org/2015/08/16/yamaha-cm500-headset-with-ptt-on-elecraft-kx3/

wunder
K6WRU
Walter Underwood
CM87wj
http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog)

> On Sep 9, 2018, at 4:23 PM, Mike Flowers <mike.flowers at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Folks,
> 
> What size is the MIC socket on the side of a KX3?  It appears to me to be
> larger than a 3.5 mm socket.
> 
> I'm getting a new-to-me KX3 here on Monday and want to be prepared.
> 
> Thanks for your help.
> 
> *73 de Mike, K6MKF - Director & Past President, NCDXC*
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From n1al at sonic.net  Sun Sep  9 20:20:17 2018
From: n1al at sonic.net (Alan)
Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2018 17:20:17 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] ARRL book on receiving antennas
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On 09/09/2018 01:01 PM, Jim Brown wrote:
> On 9/9/2018 12:39 PM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote:
>> How does one measure transmit antenna efficiency?
> 
> Not easily. :)? B...

> AND -- propagation reporting systems like WSPR and the Reverse Beacon 
> Network (RBN) can provide very good comparisons between antennas IF a 
> LOT of reports from? a LOT of stations is averaged over a LOT of time.

Back in the late 1970s, when I worked at W1AW, a new 90-foot tower with 
stacked monobanders for 20 meters was installed.  We wanted to compare 
the new antenna against the big rhombic that had been used for many 
years for the 20 meter bulletin and code practice transmissions.

So, for a week or two, we did test transmissions after each scheduled 
transmitting session.  We would switch between antenna "A" and antenna 
"B", send long dashes, and ask listeners to send in QSL reports.  (Which 
antenna was "A" and which was "B" varied randomly for each test.)

I collected the reports and plotted them on a map of the US.  We found 
that the rhombic was a little better directly on its boresight to the 
west (toward southern California from Connecticut) but the stacked Yagis 
had a much wider beamwidth so were better over the country as a whole.

By the way, you don't have to transmit to compare two antennas if your 
receiver has an accurate S meter.  Just switch between the antennas and 
compare S meter readings.

Alan N1AL


From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Sun Sep  9 21:07:16 2018
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2018 20:07:16 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] ARRL book on receiving antennas
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Thanks Fred.? I'm familiar with measuring broadcast fields for both 
directional and non directional systems.? The variances over the seasons 
with varying moisture levels in the ground and the difference with and 
without vegetation is clearly measurable and predictable.? But still the 
efficiency of the radiator was not clearly defined.

As to hams, I suppose we individually evaluate a given antenna under the 
conditions we have available.? From that we can say that given antenna 
ZZ is more or less efficient than antenna XX.? What ever that XX antenna 
happens to be.? While others may say that their XYZ is the best antenna 
they have? ever had,? this may be true, that is until one may find 
another antenna to be better. What ever "better" is defined.?? And 
again, each of us will have objectives in terms of what our antenna and 
station must attain.??? As Rob Sherwood said when asked "what is the 
best receiver", his answer; "what ever satisfies your needs and you feel 
as comfortable to operate and can afford". ? ? I suppose antennas are 
much in the same vein of characterization.

Yes, at VHF and UHF there are means and facilities to accurately measure 
antenna efficiency.?? Usually we find those to be in the 60% to 80% 
range.? Unfortunately some of the applied power is converted to heat, 
the result of IR loss,? and thus is lost in terms of electromagnetic 
radiation. ?? Again the means and the equipment required, as Jim K9YC 
stated, generally is well above and beyond the means of most hams.???? 
Some years ago I was fortunate to have supervised access to the antenna 
test range at the Motorola facility in Florida and also at the anechoic 
chamber owned by IBM in S. FL.?? These supported my graduate studies.

No further answers required on my part.?? I've launched into a "reading" 
project to further educate myself on the topic.


73

Bob, K4TAX




On 9/9/2018 5:48 PM, Fred Jensen wrote:
> Yes, very straightforward theory.? Just gather all the watts actually 
> radiated by the antenna and divide it by the watts you put into Rr.? 
> Unfortunately, I did not really address Bob's question ... "How do you 
> sweep up all those watts?" :-)? That is a nearly intractable problem 
> at HF unless you'll tolerate significant inaccuracies and 
> assumptions.? It's much easier at UHF and uWaves.
>
> An alternative is to measure/compute the losses.? Did something 
> similar on a 10 KW FM broadcast TX, calculating the power it took to 
> heat the exhaust air on the premise that the rest went up the coax to 
> the antenna and I knew what the PA input power was.
>
> KFBK in Sacramento CA [1530 KHz] eliminated a lot of the unmeasurable 
> variables by employing a Franklin antenna [center-fed half-wave 
> vertical] over the rice fields of the southern Sacramento Valley 
> [nearly always standing water, and always wet]. The center-fed 
> vertical exhibits far less ground losses than bottom-fed monopoles ... 
> at 50 KW, it's colloquially known as the "Flame Thrower of 
> Sacramento."? It may be the only Franklin left in NA.? KFBK is also 
> famous as the birthplace of the RCA Ampliphase transmitters and the 
> radio birthplace of Rush Limbaugh.
>
> NEC models coupled with terrain models can be used to establish upper 
> and lower bounds on antenna efficiency with pretty good fidelity to 
> reality.? But Bob still posed a good question.
>
> 73,
>
> Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
> Sparks NV DM09dn
> Washoe County
>
> On 9/9/2018 2:01 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
>> Skip,
>>
>> That is a great formula for theory - I vaguely remember it from my 
>> electromagnetic fields course.
>> But how you measure it?
>> With practical measurement equipment, it is difficult to isolate to a 
>> single plane.
>>
>> That may be do-able with fully characterized equipment in a 
>> controlled antenna field space or in an EMC lab, but it certainly is 
>> not practical in a typical ham antenna installation - and even the 
>> radiation resistance is not easily measured.
>>
>> Antenna modeling done properly will provide a much more easily 
>> produced result.? Comparative results between different antennas can 
>> be obtained from a reference pickup antenna, but that can only show 
>> the relative performance, we still have to guess at the efficiency.
>>
>> 73,
>> Don W3FPR
>
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From wes_n7ws at triconet.org  Sun Sep  9 22:02:27 2018
From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes Stewart)
Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2018 19:02:27 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] ARRL book on receiving antennas
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The WWV antennas are center-fed vertical dipoles.

"The WWV antennas are half-wave vertical antennas that radiate omnidirectional 
patterns. There are antennas at the station site for each frequency. Each 
antenna is connected to a single transmitter using a rigid coaxial line, and the 
site is designed so that no two coaxial lines cross. Each antenna is mounted on 
a tower that is approximately one half-wavelength tall. The tallest tower, for 
2.5 MHz, is about 60 m tall. The shortest tower, for 20 MHz, is about 7.5 m 
tall. The top half of each antenna is a quarter-wavelength radiating element. 
The bottom half of each antenna consists of nine quarter-wavelength wires that 
connect to the center of the tower and slope downwards to the ground at a 45 
degree angle. This sloping skirt functions as the lower half of the radiating 
system and also guys the antenna."

Wes? N7WS

On 9/9/2018 3:48 PM, Fred Jensen wrote:
> ? It may be the only Franklin left in NA.

From augie.hansen at comcast.net  Sun Sep  9 22:22:09 2018
From: augie.hansen at comcast.net (Augie Hanse)
Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2018 20:22:09 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] ARRL book on receiving antennas
In-Reply-To: <c1891f30-77cf-adb6-01b5-c86a2c82e94d@triconet.org>
References: <451007983.2122219.1536521144222.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<451007983.2122219.1536521144222@mail.yahoo.com>
	<2028736865.2530985.1536521775974@mail.yahoo.com>
	<97EEB4D9-8B0C-4881-83B9-8C83D438628A@blomand.net>
	<3e683f75-0c0d-99bb-8912-621a8cacfc20@foothill.net>
	<6ef2cb78-bcbf-b7a1-ab14-b28991608513@embarqmail.com>
	<c130b735-6094-a565-3800-99fc2f9e2174@foothill.net>
	<c1891f30-77cf-adb6-01b5-c86a2c82e94d@triconet.org>
Message-ID: <504059f4-7779-4eb2-882c-6d6c647064ee@comcast.net>

On 9/9/2018 8:02 PM, Wes Stewart wrote:
> The WWV antennas are center-fed vertical dipoles.
>
> "The WWV antennas are half-wave vertical antennas that radiate 
> omnidirectional patterns. ...


And WWVH on Kauai, HI has two-element arrays of half-wave verticals on 
5, 10, and 15 MHz. The arrays have cardioid patterns with deep nulls 
toward the mainland to minimize interference with WWV in Ft. Collins, CO.

 ??? https://tf.nist.gov/images/radiostations/wwvh-large/wwvh5.jpg

Gus Hansen, KB0YH


From kevinr at coho.net  Mon Sep 10 00:13:56 2018
From: kevinr at coho.net (kevinr)
Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2018 21:13:56 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Report
Message-ID: <df3ddd67-7128-ab8a-a261-23edee228806@coho.net>

Good Evening,

 ?? Twenty meters was plus ungood while forty meters was a bit worse at 
double plus ungood.? I kept off the main frequency on both bands but 
heard no one else.? If the doldrums last for another two years it will 
be a long interregnum.? Good thing Elecraft gave us such rigs which will 
get us through the low points as well as excel in the best ones.? 
However, preaching to the choir is unproductive.

 ? On 14050.5 kHz at 2200z:

KL7CW - Rick - Palmer, AK

K6XK - Roy - Rolfe, IA

K5TM - Thom - Simpsonville, SC


 ? On 7045.5 kHz at 0000z:

K6PJV - Dale - Citrus Heights, CA

KG7V - Marv - Ocean Shores, WA

K6TET - Ted - San Bruno, CA


Maybe next week Van Allen and the sun can exchange memos and see if they 
can come up with IGY conditions; those are the best I can remember.

 ?? 73,

 ????????? Kevin.? KD5ONS

Das Leben ist viel zu kurz um schlechten Wein zu trinken.

_

From indians at xsmail.com  Mon Sep 10 05:16:08 2018
From: indians at xsmail.com (Petr, OK1RP/M0SIS)
Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2018 02:16:08 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] searching for post by Wayne n6kr about counterpoise
In-Reply-To: <703522120.10144.1536292659639@connect.xfinity.com>
References: <703522120.10144.1536292659639@connect.xfinity.com>
Message-ID: <1536570968762-0.post@n2.nabble.com>

Hi all,

everything works...
http://www.ok1rr.com/index.php/antennas/94-everything-works
;)





-----
73 - Petr, OK1RP 
"Apple & Elecraft freak" 
B:http://ok1rp.blogspot.com
G+:http://goo.gl/w3u2s9
G+: http://goo.gl/gP99xq
--
Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/

From indians at xsmail.com  Mon Sep 10 05:31:49 2018
From: indians at xsmail.com (Petr, OK1RP/M0SIS)
Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2018 02:31:49 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 SW ISSUE
In-Reply-To: <20180906.202659.25764.1@webmail08.vgs.untd.com>
References: <20180906.202659.25764.1@webmail08.vgs.untd.com>
Message-ID: <1536571909353-0.post@n2.nabble.com>

Gerry,

I tested it on Snow Leopard as same as on High Sierra with 10.16.6.25 KX3
Utility and it works as it should.

Which kind of drivers are you using please?





-----
73 - Petr, OK1RP 
"Apple & Elecraft freak" 
B:http://ok1rp.blogspot.com
G+:http://goo.gl/w3u2s9
G+: http://goo.gl/gP99xq
--
Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/

From davidjw1 at cinci.rr.com  Mon Sep 10 09:59:44 2018
From: davidjw1 at cinci.rr.com (David Windisch)
Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2018 06:59:44 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] Tuning band segments with the KPA-1500
In-Reply-To: <EC394FBA-05F8-40C2-B947-C6E716ADAC52@elecraft.com>
References: <EC394FBA-05F8-40C2-B947-C6E716ADAC52@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <1536587984433-0.post@n2.nabble.com>

Hi, all concerned:

Hmmm . . . OP Peter's post does not show up on my download of the nabble
reflector, but does appear on  the other reflectors.
Anyone else notice that?

Brgds, Dave, N3HE




-----
Brgds,
Dave, N3HE
Cincinnati OH
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Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/

From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Mon Sep 10 14:41:11 2018
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2018 11:41:11 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] ARRL book on receiving antennas
In-Reply-To: <c1891f30-77cf-adb6-01b5-c86a2c82e94d@triconet.org>
References: <451007983.2122219.1536521144222.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<451007983.2122219.1536521144222@mail.yahoo.com>
	<2028736865.2530985.1536521775974@mail.yahoo.com>
	<97EEB4D9-8B0C-4881-83B9-8C83D438628A@blomand.net>
	<3e683f75-0c0d-99bb-8912-621a8cacfc20@foothill.net>
	<6ef2cb78-bcbf-b7a1-ab14-b28991608513@embarqmail.com>
	<c130b735-6094-a565-3800-99fc2f9e2174@foothill.net>
	<c1891f30-77cf-adb6-01b5-c86a2c82e94d@triconet.org>
Message-ID: <9d55aaa8-09d3-56b8-df87-3fd3a61d6a61@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On 9/9/2018 7:02 PM, Wes Stewart wrote:
> The WWV antennas are center-fed vertical dipoles. 

Thanks for the reminder about this -- I vaguely remember reading about 
their antennas years ago.? Question -- from the description, is the 
feedpoint higher than a quarter wave above ground?? A few years ago, I 
did an NEC modeling study of HF verticals that showed that doing that 
improved the vertical pattern and seemed to suggest that it reduced 
ground losses. Your thoughts?

The study is here.? http://k9yc.com/VerticalHeight.pdf

73, Jim K9YC



From wunder at wunderwood.org  Mon Sep 10 14:48:09 2018
From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood)
Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2018 11:48:09 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] ARRL book on receiving antennas
In-Reply-To: <9d55aaa8-09d3-56b8-df87-3fd3a61d6a61@audiosystemsgroup.com>
References: <451007983.2122219.1536521144222.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<451007983.2122219.1536521144222@mail.yahoo.com>
	<2028736865.2530985.1536521775974@mail.yahoo.com>
	<97EEB4D9-8B0C-4881-83B9-8C83D438628A@blomand.net>
	<3e683f75-0c0d-99bb-8912-621a8cacfc20@foothill.net>
	<6ef2cb78-bcbf-b7a1-ab14-b28991608513@embarqmail.com>
	<c130b735-6094-a565-3800-99fc2f9e2174@foothill.net>
	<c1891f30-77cf-adb6-01b5-c86a2c82e94d@triconet.org>
	<9d55aaa8-09d3-56b8-df87-3fd3a61d6a61@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Message-ID: <B7329090-01E6-4211-95E8-757512846541@wunderwood.org>

From the official WWV site, the bottom element is a sloping skirt that also serves as guy wires. Sort of like a discone with the disc replaced by a vertical element, I guess.

"The top half of each antenna is a quarter-wavelength radiating element. The bottom half of each antenna consists of nine quarter-wavelength wires that connect to the center of the tower and slope downwards to the ground at a 45 degree angle. This sloping skirt functions as the lower half of the radiating system and also guys the antenna."

https://www.nist.gov/pml/time-and-frequency-division/radio-stations/wwv

wunder
K6WRU
Walter Underwood
CM87wj
http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog)

> On Sep 10, 2018, at 11:41 AM, Jim Brown <jim at audiosystemsgroup.com> wrote:
> 
> On 9/9/2018 7:02 PM, Wes Stewart wrote:
>> The WWV antennas are center-fed vertical dipoles. 
> 
> Thanks for the reminder about this -- I vaguely remember reading about their antennas years ago.  Question -- from the description, is the feedpoint higher than a quarter wave above ground?  A few years ago, I did an NEC modeling study of HF verticals that showed that doing that improved the vertical pattern and seemed to suggest that it reduced ground losses. Your thoughts?
> 
> The study is here.  http://k9yc.com/VerticalHeight.pdf
> 
> 73, Jim K9YC
> 
> 
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From gkidder at ilstu.edu  Mon Sep 10 16:25:56 2018
From: gkidder at ilstu.edu (GWK)
Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2018 16:25:56 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] ARRL book on receiving antennas
In-Reply-To: <B7329090-01E6-4211-95E8-757512846541@wunderwood.org>
References: <451007983.2122219.1536521144222.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<451007983.2122219.1536521144222@mail.yahoo.com>
	<2028736865.2530985.1536521775974@mail.yahoo.com>
	<97EEB4D9-8B0C-4881-83B9-8C83D438628A@blomand.net>
	<3e683f75-0c0d-99bb-8912-621a8cacfc20@foothill.net>
	<6ef2cb78-bcbf-b7a1-ab14-b28991608513@embarqmail.com>
	<c130b735-6094-a565-3800-99fc2f9e2174@foothill.net>
	<c1891f30-77cf-adb6-01b5-c86a2c82e94d@triconet.org>
	<9d55aaa8-09d3-56b8-df87-3fd3a61d6a61@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<B7329090-01E6-4211-95E8-757512846541@wunderwood.org>
Message-ID: <7f1c1c79-7253-e814-c324-6ec4a3e96d76@ilstu.edu>

We call it a "ground plane" antenna.

W3HBM

On 9/10/2018 2:48 PM, Walter Underwood wrote:
>  From the official WWV site, the bottom element is a sloping skirt that also serves as guy wires. Sort of like a discone with the disc replaced by a vertical element, I guess.
> 
> "The top half of each antenna is a quarter-wavelength radiating element. The bottom half of each antenna consists of nine quarter-wavelength wires that connect to the center of the tower and slope downwards to the ground at a 45 degree angle. This sloping skirt functions as the lower half of the radiating system and also guys the antenna."
> 
> https://www.nist.gov/pml/time-and-frequency-division/radio-stations/wwv
> 
> wunder
> K6WRU
> Walter Underwood
> CM87wj
> http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog)
> 
>> On Sep 10, 2018, at 11:41 AM, Jim Brown <jim at audiosystemsgroup.com> wrote:
>>
>> On 9/9/2018 7:02 PM, Wes Stewart wrote:
>>> The WWV antennas are center-fed vertical dipoles.
>>
>> Thanks for the reminder about this -- I vaguely remember reading about their antennas years ago.  Question -- from the description, is the feedpoint higher than a quarter wave above ground?  A few years ago, I did an NEC modeling study of HF verticals that showed that doing that improved the vertical pattern and seemed to suggest that it reduced ground losses. Your thoughts?
>>
>> The study is here.  http://k9yc.com/VerticalHeight.pdf
>>
>> 73, Jim K9YC
>>
>>
>> ______________________________________________________________
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From k6dgw at foothill.net  Mon Sep 10 16:43:23 2018
From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen)
Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2018 13:43:23 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] ARRL book on receiving antennas
In-Reply-To: <9d55aaa8-09d3-56b8-df87-3fd3a61d6a61@audiosystemsgroup.com>
References: <451007983.2122219.1536521144222.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<451007983.2122219.1536521144222@mail.yahoo.com>
	<2028736865.2530985.1536521775974@mail.yahoo.com>
	<97EEB4D9-8B0C-4881-83B9-8C83D438628A@blomand.net>
	<3e683f75-0c0d-99bb-8912-621a8cacfc20@foothill.net>
	<6ef2cb78-bcbf-b7a1-ab14-b28991608513@embarqmail.com>
	<c130b735-6094-a565-3800-99fc2f9e2174@foothill.net>
	<c1891f30-77cf-adb6-01b5-c86a2c82e94d@triconet.org>
	<9d55aaa8-09d3-56b8-df87-3fd3a61d6a61@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Message-ID: <e7f283cd-3d47-d105-6a3d-375e199a54ea@foothill.net>

KFBK's are actually two, phased for day-night directional service.? Been 
awhile since I saw them but the bottom insulators were maybe 10 ft above 
ground level [I'm 6'2" and it was just above my reach] so the feedpoint 
is a tiny bit higher than 1/4 wave.? 1/2 wave at 1530 KHz is just over 
300 ft and the feed system at 50 KW is mechanically complex and pretty 
heavy.? I think [not sure where I read it but it was moderately 
recently] that KFBK's Franklin is the last AM broadcast one in NA.

NIST photos of WWV HF antennas show about the same height more or less.? 
WWVH uses 2-element phased elements to put a cardioid null at the CONUS 
to reduce interference.? I would think that getting anything [including 
ground] farther out in the near field would reduce losses.? The choice 
is an engineering cost-benefit trade off of course.

73,

Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

On 9/10/2018 11:41 AM, Jim Brown wrote:
> On 9/9/2018 7:02 PM, Wes Stewart wrote:
>> The WWV antennas are center-fed vertical dipoles. 
>
> Thanks for the reminder about this -- I vaguely remember reading about 
> their antennas years ago.? Question -- from the description, is the 
> feedpoint higher than a quarter wave above ground?? A few years ago, I 
> did an NEC modeling study of HF verticals that showed that doing that 
> improved the vertical pattern and seemed to suggest that it reduced 
> ground losses. Your thoughts?
>
> The study is here.? http://k9yc.com/VerticalHeight.pdf
>
> 73, Jim K9YC
>
>
> ______________________________________________________________
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From eric at elecraft.com  Mon Sep 10 17:33:29 2018
From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft)
Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2018 14:33:29 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] ARRL book on receiving antennas
In-Reply-To: <e7f283cd-3d47-d105-6a3d-375e199a54ea@foothill.net>
References: <451007983.2122219.1536521144222.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<451007983.2122219.1536521144222@mail.yahoo.com>
	<2028736865.2530985.1536521775974@mail.yahoo.com>
	<97EEB4D9-8B0C-4881-83B9-8C83D438628A@blomand.net>
	<3e683f75-0c0d-99bb-8912-621a8cacfc20@foothill.net>
	<6ef2cb78-bcbf-b7a1-ab14-b28991608513@embarqmail.com>
	<c130b735-6094-a565-3800-99fc2f9e2174@foothill.net>
	<c1891f30-77cf-adb6-01b5-c86a2c82e94d@triconet.org>
	<9d55aaa8-09d3-56b8-df87-3fd3a61d6a61@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<e7f283cd-3d47-d105-6a3d-375e199a54ea@foothill.net>
Message-ID: <DDCBEBCA-6FFC-4100-AF0D-83C30722CAD0@elecraft.com>

Folks, lets end this OT tread for now. It is well past our short term postings limit.

Also, do not leave all of the prior thread emails in your reply.  Delete most of the prior posts and only keep the absolute minimum needed in your reply to maintain context. That really helps reduce clutter and overload for our digest readers and als for those on slower connections. 

73,
Eric
Mooderator
elecraft.com
_..._



> On Sep 10, 2018, at 1:43 PM, Fred Jensen <k6dgw at foothill.net> wrote:
> 
> KFBK's are actually two, phased for day-night directional service.  Been awhile 

From tony.kaz at verizon.net  Mon Sep 10 18:42:30 2018
From: tony.kaz at verizon.net (N2TK, Tony)
Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2018 18:42:30 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 - TX Monitor
Message-ID: <00b701d44957$8ee8c970$acba5c50$@verizon.net>

After many months finally took the Direction Coupler out of the box and
hooked it up to my P3/K3. 
In the TXMon Menu I have the following:
Mte En - ON
Meter Scale - 2000W (I am using a 2KW Directional coupler and it is hooked
up properly.) 
Mod En - Off. If I turn it ON, the screen flashes.

The P3 screen shows the Modulation Scale, SWR meter scale and also the
digital PEP and SWR meters. But when I transmit none of the power meters  on
the P3 show anything.
I am getting power out on the LP-100. 
Any ideas on what I could be missing?

73,
N2TK, Tony



From alan at wilcoxengineering.com  Mon Sep 10 19:44:17 2018
From: alan at wilcoxengineering.com (Alan D. Wilcox)
Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2018 19:44:17 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] FS: Older ARRL Handbooks, 1953-1986
Message-ID: <3100FFA7-CDE4-454F-AEC1-A4A0EE23E2B0@wilcoxengineering.com>

Hello,

The house cleaning continues ? see my site for the latest list:
https://wilcoxengineering.com/2018/08/21/selling-extra-equipment/

Cheers,
Alan

Alan D. Wilcox, W3DVX (K2-5373, K3-40)
570-478-0736 (cell, text)
http://amazon.com/author/alandwilcox <http://amazon.com/author/alandwilcox>
Williamsport, PA 17701

From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Mon Sep 10 21:34:29 2018
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2018 18:34:29 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] ARRL book on receiving antennas
In-Reply-To: <7f1c1c79-7253-e814-c324-6ec4a3e96d76@ilstu.edu>
References: <451007983.2122219.1536521144222.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<451007983.2122219.1536521144222@mail.yahoo.com>
	<2028736865.2530985.1536521775974@mail.yahoo.com>
	<97EEB4D9-8B0C-4881-83B9-8C83D438628A@blomand.net>
	<3e683f75-0c0d-99bb-8912-621a8cacfc20@foothill.net>
	<6ef2cb78-bcbf-b7a1-ab14-b28991608513@embarqmail.com>
	<c130b735-6094-a565-3800-99fc2f9e2174@foothill.net>
	<c1891f30-77cf-adb6-01b5-c86a2c82e94d@triconet.org>
	<9d55aaa8-09d3-56b8-df87-3fd3a61d6a61@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<B7329090-01E6-4211-95E8-757512846541@wunderwood.org>
	<7f1c1c79-7253-e814-c324-6ec4a3e96d76@ilstu.edu>
Message-ID: <3df3977a-c4eb-aed7-03f9-c9494b75f41d@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On 9/10/2018 1:25 PM, GWK wrote:
> We call it a "ground plane" antenna. 

No, it's quite different.

73, Jim K9YC


From k2zn at rochester.rr.com  Tue Sep 11 11:12:26 2018
From: k2zn at rochester.rr.com (Al Scanandoah)
Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2018 11:12:26 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K1 80m Band Kit
Message-ID: <mailman.15.1536678949.3447.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>

Does anyone happen to have one of these that could benefit from being re-homed?
73 - Al, K2ZN


Sent via mobile

From ac0ds at sent.com  Tue Sep 11 13:00:36 2018
From: ac0ds at sent.com (Craig Smith)
Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2018 11:00:36 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] Off Topic:   Fluke Multimeter for Sale
Message-ID: <973CB0AD-AA4F-4E81-B940-7DB5A92F49E4@sent.com>


I have for sale a like-new Fluke model 87-V multimeter along with extra accessories.  This is the industry standard handheld meter for electronics work.  4.5 digit display, 0.05% accuracy, extensive capacitance measuring capability, temperature measurement with included probe and legendary Fluke quality / reliability / durability.  This model is still in production today and is Fluke?s top-of-the-line electronics handheld meter.

I purchased this new in 2010 and it has since been used only in my lab while I had my consulting business.  I?ve since retired and moved to a condo, so no longer have need for an instrument of this accuracy.  This unit is in mint condition.  It has always worked perfectly.

Your purchase includes the meter, all original accessories including probes, the thermocouple probe, original box, manual, paperwork and DVD.  I?m also including another like-new set of Fluke industrial probes with interchangeable tips, including alligator clips, clamps and clip-on hooked probes.    Also included are some Probe Master mini-clip-on probes, BNC adapters, etc.

The street price for this meter is currently $387.    I?m asking $220 for the meter, accessories and additional extras including USPS insured Priority Mail shipping to the lower 48.    Payment via PayPal.   Photos by request.  Contact me via email if interested.   My email address OK on QRZ.

Thanks and 73          Craig    AC0DS



From ke8g.jim at gmail.com  Tue Sep 11 14:37:49 2018
From: ke8g.jim at gmail.com (KE8G)
Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2018 14:37:49 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Test
Message-ID: <CAOdpi6GuJqz_=rZrhJx-VRH4a5aWTszw_fcSO2ALtpB_bVTpTQ@mail.gmail.com>

Are my emails making it to the list?

73 de Jim - KE8G

From va3mw at portcredit.net  Tue Sep 11 14:47:23 2018
From: va3mw at portcredit.net (Michael Walker)
Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2018 14:47:23 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Test
In-Reply-To: <CAOdpi6GuJqz_=rZrhJx-VRH4a5aWTszw_fcSO2ALtpB_bVTpTQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAOdpi6GuJqz_=rZrhJx-VRH4a5aWTszw_fcSO2ALtpB_bVTpTQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+33ts59Vf0Gj5DQZiTuHSLROThBdD01Z03m=UYAUj6dV8pNxg@mail.gmail.com>

The idiot in me wants to say no.  LOL

Obviously, it is working fine! 73

On Tue, Sep 11, 2018 at 2:37 PM, KE8G <ke8g.jim at gmail.com> wrote:

> Are my emails making it to the list?
>
> 73 de Jim - KE8G
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From ke8g.jim at gmail.com  Tue Sep 11 14:48:52 2018
From: ke8g.jim at gmail.com (KE8G)
Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2018 14:48:52 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Test
In-Reply-To: <CA+33ts59Vf0Gj5DQZiTuHSLROThBdD01Z03m=UYAUj6dV8pNxg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAOdpi6GuJqz_=rZrhJx-VRH4a5aWTszw_fcSO2ALtpB_bVTpTQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CA+33ts59Vf0Gj5DQZiTuHSLROThBdD01Z03m=UYAUj6dV8pNxg@mail.gmail.com>
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Ok, great!  Thanks for all the replies.

73 de Jim - KE8G

On Tue, Sep 11, 2018 at 2:47 PM Michael Walker <va3mw at portcredit.net> wrote:

> The idiot in me wants to say no.  LOL
>
> Obviously, it is working fine! 73
>
> On Tue, Sep 11, 2018 at 2:37 PM, KE8G <ke8g.jim at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Are my emails making it to the list?
>>
>> 73 de Jim - KE8G
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From c-hawley at illinois.edu  Tue Sep 11 15:52:18 2018
From: c-hawley at illinois.edu (hawley, charles j jr)
Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2018 19:52:18 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Test
In-Reply-To: <CAOdpi6GuJqz_=rZrhJx-VRH4a5aWTszw_fcSO2ALtpB_bVTpTQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAOdpi6GuJqz_=rZrhJx-VRH4a5aWTszw_fcSO2ALtpB_bVTpTQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <EC3913F3-F2F6-4591-ABFC-B51C0FB1C89E@illinois.edu>

Yes 

Chuck Jack 
KE9UW

Sent from my iPhone, cjack 

> On Sep 11, 2018, at 1:38 PM, KE8G <ke8g.jim at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Are my emails making it to the list?
> 
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From bumbledp at gmail.com  Tue Sep 11 18:24:19 2018
From: bumbledp at gmail.com (david perry)
Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2018 23:24:19 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] T1 tuner kit
Message-ID: <CANC1Mh-OnT-3Eyv77wjJmzXsqZdUHBO21jLX20aozNaHTQbDTA@mail.gmail.com>

I recently picked up a kit built T1 tuner which doesnt quite work.  On
power up the yellow led flashes thrice then then stops and thats all we get.

It is not well built so Im going to reflow all joints and carefully check
everything, BUT, I wonder whether anyone else has come across this fault
mode before who could give me a heads up as to its cause.

David G4YVM

From anyone1545 at gmail.com  Tue Sep 11 19:23:59 2018
From: anyone1545 at gmail.com (Gmail)
Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2018 19:23:59 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Franklin antennas
Message-ID: <5FEBE93F-904D-4009-9CE5-4D1B3A85FC87@gmail.com>

KDKA, Pittsburgh, still has a Franklin, they are not a center fed vertical.  both the bottom and top sections are end fed. The purpose is to lower angle of radiation and reduce skywave and selective fading.  KDKA has a motorized capacitor on the top section.  Both stations have extensive ground systems that would not be needed if they were dipoles. 
KDs antenna was replaced in 1994. Still a Franklin as changing the antenna would have required a power reduction with the ?ratchet rule?.
Ray
W8LYJ
Formerly with Group W Engineering, owner of both stations until recently. 

http://www.durenberger.com/documents/KDKANEWTOWER.pdf
Sent from my iPad

> 
> 
> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2018 15:48:48 -0700
> From: Fred Jensen <k6dgw at foothill.net>
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] ARRL book on receiving antennas
> Message-ID: <c130b735-6094-a565-3800-99fc2f9e2174 at foothill.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
> 
> Yes, very straightforward theory.? Just gather all the watts actually 
> radiated by the antenna and divide it by the watts you put into Rr.? 
> Unfortunately, I did not really address Bob's question ... "How do you 
> sweep up all those watts?" :-)? That is a nearly intractable problem at 
> HF unless you'll tolerate significant inaccuracies and assumptions.? 
> It's much easier at UHF and uWaves.
> 
> An alternative is to measure/compute the losses.? Did something similar 
> on a 10 KW FM broadcast TX, calculating the power it took to heat the 
> exhaust air on the premise that the rest went up the coax to the antenna 
> and I knew what the PA input power was.
> 
> KFBK in Sacramento CA [1530 KHz] eliminated a lot of the unmeasurable 
> variables by employing a Franklin antenna [center-fed half-wave 
> vertical] over the rice fields of the southern Sacramento Valley [nearly 
> always standing water, and always wet]. The center-fed vertical exhibits 
> far less ground losses than bottom-fed monopoles ... at 50 KW, it's 
> colloquially known as the "Flame Thrower of Sacramento."? It may be the 
> only Franklin left in NA.? KFBK is also famous as the birthplace of the 
> RCA Ampliphase transmitters and the radio birthplace of Rush Limbaugh.
> 
> NEC models coupled with terrain models can be used to establish upper 
> and lower bounds on antenna efficiency with pretty good fidelity to 
> reality.? But Bob still posed a good question.
> 
> 73,
> 
> Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
> Sparks NV DM09dn
> Washoe County
> 
>> On 9/9/2018 2:01 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
>> Skip,
>> 
>> That is a great formula for theory - I vaguely remember it from my 
>> electromagnetic fields course.
>> But how you measure it?
>> With practical measurement equipment, it is difficult to isolate to a 
>> single plane.
>> 
>> That may be do-able with fully characterized equipment in a controlled 
>> antenna field space or in an EMC lab, but it certainly is not 
>> practical in a typical ham antenna installation - and even the 
>> radiation resistance is not easily measured.
>> 
>> Antenna modeling done properly will provide a much more easily 
>> produced result.? Comparative results between different antennas can 
>> be obtained from a reference pickup antenna, but that can only show 
>> the relative performance, 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 4
> Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2018 17:20:17 -0700
> From: Alan <n1al at sonic.net>
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] ARRL book on receiving antennas
> Message-ID: <96b660d3-5a7d-cb60-8d1d-827aaa6d77fb at sonic.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
> 
>> On 09/09/2018 01:01 PM, Jim Brown wrote:
>>> On 9/9/2018 12:39 PM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote:
>>> How does one measure transmit antenna efficiency?
>> 
>> Not easily. :)? B...
> 
>> AND -- propagation reporting systems like WSPR and the Reverse Beacon 
>> Network (RBN) can provide very good comparisons between antennas IF a 
>> LOT of reports from? a LOT of stations is averaged over a LOT of time.
> 
> Back in the late 1970s, when I worked at W1AW, a new 90-foot tower with 
> stacked monobanders for 20 meters was installed.  We wanted to compare 
> the new antenna against the big rhombic that had been used for many 
> years for the 20 meter bulletin and code practice transmissions.
> 
> So, for a week or two, we did test transmissions after each scheduled 
> transmitting session.  We would switch between antenna "A" and antenna 
> "B", send long dashes, and ask listeners to send in QSL reports.  (Which 
> antenna was "A" and which was "B" varied randomly for each test.)
> 
> I collected the reports and plotted them on a map of the US.  We found 
> that the rhombic was a little better directly on its boresight to the 
> west (toward southern California from Connecticut) but the stacked Yagis 
> had a much wider beamwidth so were better over the country as a whole.
> 
> By the way, you don't have to transmit to compare two antennas if your 
> receiver has an accurate S meter.  Just switch between the antennas and 
> compare S meter readings.
> 
> Alan N1AL
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 5
> Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2018 20:07:16 -0500
> From: Bob McGraw K4TAX <rmcgraw at blomand.net>
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] ARRL book on receiving antennas
> Message-ID: <ee36342c-268c-4e51-b52a-04a92586ead6 at blomand.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
> 
> Thanks Fred.? I'm familiar with measuring broadcast fields for both 
> directional and non directional systems.? The variances over the seasons 
> with varying moisture levels in the ground and the difference with and 
> without vegetation is clearly measurable and predictable.? But still the 
> efficiency of the radiator was not clearly defined.
> 
> As to hams, I suppose we individually evaluate a given antenna under the 
> conditions we have available.? From that we can say that given antenna 
> ZZ is more or less efficient than antenna XX.? What ever that XX antenna 
> happens to be.? While others may say that their XYZ is the best antenna 
> they have? ever had,? this may be true, that is until one may find 
> another antenna to be better. What ever "better" is defined.?? And 
> again, each of us will have objectives in terms of what our antenna and 
> station must attain.??? As Rob Sherwood said when asked "what is the 
> best receiver", his answer; "what ever satisfies your needs and you feel 
> as comfortable to operate and can afford". ? ? I suppose antennas are 
> much in the same vein of characterization.
> 
> Yes, at VHF and UHF there are means and facilities to accurately measure 
> antenna efficiency.?? Usually we find those to be in the 60% to 80% 
> range.? Unfortunately some of the applied power is converted to heat, 
> the result of IR loss,? and thus is lost in terms of electromagnetic 
> radiation. ?? Again the means and the equipment required, as Jim K9YC 
> stated, generally is well above and beyond the means of most hams.???? 
> Some years ago I was fortunate to have supervised access to the antenna 
> test range at the Motorola facility in Florida and also at the anechoic 
> chamber owned by IBM in S. FL.?? These supported my graduate studies.
> 
> No further answers required on my part.?? I've launched into a "reading" 
> project to further educate myself on the topic.
> 
> 
> 73
> 
> Bob, K4TAX
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On 9/9/2018 5:48 PM, Fred Jensen wrote:
>> Yes, very straightforward theory.? Just gather all the watts actually 
>> radiated by the antenna and divide it by the watts you put into Rr.? 
>> Unfortunately, I did not really address Bob's question ... "How do you 
>> sweep up all those watts?" :-)? That is a nearly intractable problem 
>> at HF unless you'll tolerate significant inaccuracies and 
>> assumptions.? It's much easier at UHF and uWaves.
>> 
>> An alternative is to measure/compute the losses.? Did something 
>> similar on a 10 KW FM broadcast TX, calculating the power it took to 
>> heat the exhaust air on the premise that the rest went up the coax to 
>> the antenna and I knew what the PA input power was.
>> 
>> KFBK in Sacramento CA [1530 KHz] eliminated a lot of the unmeasurable 
>> variables by employing a Franklin antenna [center-fed half-wave 
>> vertical] over the rice fields of the southern Sacramento Valley 
>> [nearly always standing water, and always wet]. The center-fed 
>> vertical exhibits far less ground losses than bottom-fed monopoles ... 
>> at 50 KW, it's colloquially known as the "Flame Thrower of 
>> Sacramento."? It may be the only Franklin left in NA.? KFBK is also 
>> famous as the birthplace of the RCA Ampliphase transmitters and the 
>> radio birthplace of Rush Limbaugh.
>> 
>> NEC models coupled with terrain models can be used to establish upper 
>> and lower bounds on antenna efficiency with pretty good fidelity to 
>> reality.? But Bob still posed 

From anyone1545 at gmail.com  Tue Sep 11 19:25:30 2018
From: anyone1545 at gmail.com (Gmail)
Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2018 19:25:30 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Franklin antennas
In-Reply-To: <5FEBE93F-904D-4009-9CE5-4D1B3A85FC87@gmail.com>
References: <5FEBE93F-904D-4009-9CE5-4D1B3A85FC87@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <15E1638F-DA19-4CCB-B2A3-B34A41B7CCD8@gmail.com>

Correction, it was center fed. 

Sent from my iPad

> On Sep 11, 2018, at 19:23, Gmail <anyone1545 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> KDKA, Pittsburgh, still has a Franklin, they are not a center fed vertical.  both the bottom and top sections are end fed. The purpose is to lower angle of radiation and reduce skywave and selective fading.  KDKA has a motorized capacitor on the top section.  Both stations have extensive ground systems that would not be needed if they were dipoles. 
> KDs antenna was replaced in 1994. Still a Franklin as changing the antenna would have required a power reduction with the ?ratchet rule?.
> Ray
> W8LYJ
> Formerly with Group W Engineering, owner of both stations until recently. 
> 
> http://www.durenberger.com/documents/KDKANEWTOWER.pdf
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> 
>> 
>> Message: 1
>> Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2018 15:48:48 -0700
>> From: Fred Jensen <k6dgw at foothill.net>
>> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] ARRL book on receiving antennas
>> Message-ID: <c130b735-6094-a565-3800-99fc2f9e2174 at foothill.net>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
>> 
>> Yes, very straightforward theory.? Just gather all the watts actually 
>> radiated by the antenna and divide it by the watts you put into Rr.? 
>> Unfortunately, I did not really address Bob's question ... "How do you 
>> sweep up all those watts?" :-)? That is a nearly intractable problem at 
>> HF unless you'll tolerate significant inaccuracies and assumptions.? 
>> It's much easier at UHF and uWaves.
>> 
>> An alternative is to measure/compute the losses.? Did something similar 
>> on a 10 KW FM broadcast TX, calculating the power it took to heat the 
>> exhaust air on the premise that the rest went up the coax to the antenna 
>> and I knew what the PA input power was.
>> 
>> KFBK in Sacramento CA [1530 KHz] eliminated a lot of the unmeasurable 
>> variables by employing a Franklin antenna [center-fed half-wave 
>> vertical] over the rice fields of the southern Sacramento Valley [nearly 
>> always standing water, and always wet]. The center-fed vertical exhibits 
>> far less ground losses than bottom-fed monopoles ... at 50 KW, it's 
>> colloquially known as the "Flame Thrower of Sacramento."? It may be the 
>> only Franklin left in NA.? KFBK is also famous as the birthplace of the 
>> RCA Ampliphase transmitters and the radio birthplace of Rush Limbaugh.
>> 
>> NEC models coupled with terrain models can be used to establish upper 
>> and lower bounds on antenna efficiency with pretty good fidelity to 
>> reality.? But Bob still posed a good question.
>> 
>> 73,
>> 
>> Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
>> Sparks NV DM09dn
>> Washoe County
>> 
>>> On 9/9/2018 2:01 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
>>> Skip,
>>> 
>>> That is a great formula for theory - I vaguely remember it from my 
>>> electromagnetic fields course.
>>> But how you measure it?
>>> With practical measurement equipment, it is difficult to isolate to a 
>>> single plane.
>>> 
>>> That may be do-able with fully characterized equipment in a controlled 
>>> antenna field space or in an EMC lab, but it certainly is not 
>>> practical in a typical ham antenna installation - and even the 
>>> radiation resistance is not easily measured.
>>> 
>>> Antenna modeling done properly will provide a much more easily 
>>> produced result.? Comparative results between different antennas can 
>>> be obtained from a reference pickup antenna, but that can only show 
>>> the relative performance, 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ------------------------------
>> 
>> Message: 4
>> Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2018 17:20:17 -0700
>> From: Alan <n1al at sonic.net>
>> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] ARRL book on receiving antennas
>> Message-ID: <96b660d3-5a7d-cb60-8d1d-827aaa6d77fb at sonic.net>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
>> 
>>> On 09/09/2018 01:01 PM, Jim Brown wrote:
>>>> On 9/9/2018 12:39 PM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote:
>>>> How does one measure transmit antenna efficiency?
>>> 
>>> Not easily. :)? B...
>> 
>>> AND -- propagation reporting systems like WSPR and the Reverse Beacon 
>>> Network (RBN) can provide very good comparisons between antennas IF a 
>>> LOT of reports from? a LOT of stations is averaged over a LOT of time.
>> 
>> Back in the late 1970s, when I worked at W1AW, a new 90-foot tower with 
>> stacked monobanders for 20 meters was installed.  We wanted to compare 
>> the new antenna against the big rhombic that had been used for many 
>> years for the 20 meter bulletin and code practice transmissions.
>> 
>> So, for a week or two, we did test transmissions after each scheduled 
>> transmitting session.  We would switch between antenna "A" and antenna 
>> "B", send long dashes, and ask listeners to send in QSL reports.  (Which 
>> antenna was "A" and which was "B" varied randomly for each test.)
>> 
>> I collected the reports and plotted them on a map of the US.  We found 
>> that the rhombic was a little better directly on its boresight to the 
>> west (toward southern California from Connecticut) but the stacked Yagis 
>> had a much wider beamwidth so were better over the country as a whole.
>> 
>> By the way, you don't have to transmit to compare two antennas if your 
>> receiver has an accurate S meter.  Just switch between the antennas and 
>> compare S meter readings.
>> 
>> Alan N1AL
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ------------------------------
>> 
>> Message: 5
>> Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2018 20:07:16 -0500
>> From: Bob McGraw K4TAX <rmcgraw at blomand.net>
>> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] ARRL book on receiving antennas
>> Message-ID: <ee36342c-268c-4e51-b52a-04a92586ead6 at blomand.net>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
>> 
>> Thanks Fred.? I'm familiar with measuring broadcast fields for both 
>> directional and non directional systems.? The variances over the seasons 
>> with varying moisture levels in the ground and the difference with and 
>> without vegetation is clearly measurable and predictable.? But still the 
>> efficiency of the radiator was not clearly defined.
>> 
>> As to hams, I suppose we individually evaluate a given antenna under the 
>> conditions we have available.? From that we can say that given antenna 
>> ZZ is more or less efficient than antenna XX.? What ever that XX antenna 
>> happens to be.? While others may say that their XYZ is the best antenna 
>> they have? ever had,? this may be true, that is until one may find 
>> another antenna to be better. What ever "better" is defined.?? And 
>> again, each of us will have objectives in terms of what our antenna and 
>> station must attain.??? As Rob Sherwood said when asked "what is the 
>> best receiver", his answer; "what ever satisfies your needs and you feel 
>> as comfortable to operate and can afford". ? ? I suppose antennas are 
>> much in the same vein of characterization.
>> 
>> Yes, at VHF and UHF there are means and facilities to accurately measure 
>> antenna efficiency.?? Usually we find those to be in the 60% to 80% 
>> range.? Unfortunately some of the applied power is converted to heat, 
>> the result of IR loss,? and thus is lost in terms of electromagnetic 
>> radiation. ?? Again the means and the equipment required, as Jim K9YC 
>> stated, generally is well above and beyond the means of most hams.???? 
>> Some years ago I was fortunate to have supervised access to the antenna 
>> test range at the Motorola facility in Florida and also at the anechoic 
>> chamber owned by IBM in S. FL.?? These supported my graduate studies.
>> 
>> No further answers required on my part.?? I've launched into a "reading" 
>> project to further educate myself on the topic.
>> 
>> 
>> 73
>> 
>> Bob, K4TAX
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 9/9/2018 5:48 PM, Fred Jensen wrote:
>>> Yes, very straightforward theory.? Just gather all the watts actually 
>>> radiated by the antenna and divide it by the watts you put into Rr.? 
>>> Unfortunately, I did not really address Bob's question ... "How do you 
>>> sweep up all those watts?" :-)? That is a nearly intractable problem 
>>> at HF unless you'll tolerate significant inaccuracies and 
>>> assumptions.? It's much easier at UHF and uWaves.
>>> 
>>> An alternative is to measure/compute the losses.? Did something 
>>> similar on a 10 KW FM broadcast TX, calculating the power it took to 
>>> heat the exhaust air on the premise that the rest went up the coax to 
>>> the antenna and I knew what the PA input power was.
>>> 
>>> KFBK in Sacramento CA [1530 KHz] eliminated a lot of the unmeasurable 
>>> variables by employing a Franklin antenna [center-fed half-wave 
>>> vertical] over the rice fields of the southern Sacramento Valley 
>>> [nearly always standing water, and always wet]. The center-fed 
>>> vertical exhibits far less ground losses than bottom-fed monopoles ... 
>>> at 50 KW, it's colloquially known as the "Flame Thrower of 
>>> Sacramento."? It may be the only Franklin left in NA.? KFBK is also 
>>> famous as the birthplace of the RCA Ampliphase transmitters and the 
>>> radio birthplace of Rush Limbaugh.
>>> 
>>> NEC models coupled with terrain models can be used to establish upper 
>>> and lower bounds on antenna efficiency with pretty good fidelity to 
>>> reality.? But Bob still posed 

From k2asp at kanafi.org  Tue Sep 11 19:37:33 2018
From: k2asp at kanafi.org (Phil Kane)
Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2018 16:37:33 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Franklin antennas
In-Reply-To: <5FEBE93F-904D-4009-9CE5-4D1B3A85FC87@gmail.com>
References: <5FEBE93F-904D-4009-9CE5-4D1B3A85FC87@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <30315777-4599-b98e-f081-003c140261ec@kanafi.org>

On 9/11/2018 4:23 PM, Gmail wrote:

> KDKA, Pittsburgh, still has a Franklin, they are not a center fed
> vertical.  both the bottom and top sections are end fed.

KNBR San Francisco has a similar antenna.  I had been calling that a
"Franklin" for decades until I was corrected - a true "Franklin" is a
center-fed HW vertical dipole.

(Sorry if this is OT/Closed)

73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane
Elecraft K2/100   s/n 5402
(FCC District Director - Retired)
>From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest
Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon

From w9ac at arrl.net  Wed Sep 12 09:50:06 2018
From: w9ac at arrl.net (Paul Christensen)
Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2018 09:50:06 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Franklin antennas
Message-ID: <003301d44a9f$83e02f70$8ba08e50$@arrl.net>

>"Both stations have extensive ground systems that would not be needed if
they were dipoles."

AMBC ground systems would still be needed (unless sited over salt water) to
maximize ground-wave coverage even if they were center-fed vertical dipoles.
The field intensity produced by a ground-mounted, center-fed 1/2 wave dipole
is the same as a voltage-fed (at the tower base) vertical radiator.  

The majority of omnidirectional, high-power AM stations use anywhere between
180 to 195 degree towers, voltage-fed at the base.  In essence, they behave
like vertical dipoles and in each case, they employ extensive radial
systems.  With either feed, maximum RF current occurs at the mid-point, and
maximum voltage at either end.  

I don't recall if the Franklin was developed before or after studies showed
that multi-lobe skywave radiation is minimized with 190 degree monopole
radiators.  That's the reason why so many legendary high-power stations use
a tower height slightly longer than a half-wave while ground field intensity
is essentially identical to the half-wave radiator.  

Paul, W9AC
(Ex-RKO Radio, Chicago)


From anyone1545 at gmail.com  Wed Sep 12 12:04:32 2018
From: anyone1545 at gmail.com (Gmail)
Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2018 12:04:32 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Remaining  AM Franklin Antennas
Message-ID: <9ABFD166-71AE-405C-BF60-BDFE7EFC6BA3@gmail.com>

Ron, WE4RR sent me this list.

KSTP, St. Paul, MN

WHO, Des Moines, IA

WOC, Davenport, IA

KDKA, Pittsburgh, PA

WKY, Oklahoma City, OK

KFBK, Sacramento, CA (two in DA)

All use elevated feed to control current distribution.
Ray
W8LYJ 


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From cf at cfcorp.com  Wed Sep 12 12:31:16 2018
From: cf at cfcorp.com (Cliff Frescura)
Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2018 09:31:16 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Franklin antennas
In-Reply-To: <5FEBE93F-904D-4009-9CE5-4D1B3A85FC87@gmail.com>
References: <5FEBE93F-904D-4009-9CE5-4D1B3A85FC87@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <011701d44ab6$07598e80$160cab80$@com>

A bit of trivia...

When the antenna/tower at KDKA was replaced in 1994, the legs of the old antenna were cut into thin cross sections, encased in clear plastic with a station medallion and sold for charity to Children's Hospital of Pittsburgh during their annual Christmas Fundraiser.  It's a nice conversation piece.

73,

Cliff K3LL/6 

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2018 4:24 PM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] Franklin antennas

KDKA, Pittsburgh, still has a Franklin, they are not a center fed vertical.  both the bottom and top sections are end fed. The purpose is to lower angle of radiation and reduce skywave and selective fading.  KDKA has a motorized capacitor on the top section.  Both stations have extensive ground systems that would not be needed if they were dipoles. 
KDs antenna was replaced in 1994. Still a Franklin as changing the antenna would have required a power reduction with the ?ratchet rule?.
Ray
W8LYJ
Formerly with Group W Engineering, owner of both stations until recently. 

http://www.durenberger.com/documents/KDKANEWTOWER.pdf
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> 
> 
> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2018 15:48:48 -0700
> From: Fred Jensen <k6dgw at foothill.net>
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] ARRL book on receiving antennas
> Message-ID: <c130b735-6094-a565-3800-99fc2f9e2174 at foothill.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
> 
> Yes, very straightforward theory.? Just gather all the watts actually 
> radiated by the antenna and divide it by the watts you put into Rr.? 
> Unfortunately, I did not really address Bob's question ... "How do you 
> sweep up all those watts?" :-)? That is a nearly intractable problem at 
> HF unless you'll tolerate significant inaccuracies and assumptions.? 
> It's much easier at UHF and uWaves.
> 
> An alternative is to measure/compute the losses.? Did something similar 
> on a 10 KW FM broadcast TX, calculating the power it took to heat the 
> exhaust air on the premise that the rest went up the coax to the antenna 
> and I knew what the PA input power was.
> 
> KFBK in Sacramento CA [1530 KHz] eliminated a lot of the unmeasurable 
> variables by employing a Franklin antenna [center-fed half-wave 
> vertical] over the rice fields of the southern Sacramento Valley [nearly 
> always standing water, and always wet]. The center-fed vertical exhibits 
> far less ground losses than bottom-fed monopoles ... at 50 KW, it's 
> colloquially known as the "Flame Thrower of Sacramento."? It may be the 
> only Franklin left in NA.? KFBK is also famous as the birthplace of the 
> RCA Ampliphase transmitters and the radio birthplace of Rush Limbaugh.
> 
> NEC models coupled with terrain models can be used to establish upper 
> and lower bounds on antenna efficiency with pretty good fidelity to 
> reality.? But Bob still posed a good question.
> 
> 73,
> 
> Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
> Sparks NV DM09dn
> Washoe County
> 
>> On 9/9/2018 2:01 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
>> Skip,
>> 
>> That is a great formula for theory - I vaguely remember it from my 
>> electromagnetic fields course.
>> But how you measure it?
>> With practical measurement equipment, it is difficult to isolate to a 
>> single plane.
>> 
>> That may be do-able with fully characterized equipment in a controlled 
>> antenna field space or in an EMC lab, but it certainly is not 
>> practical in a typical ham antenna installation - and even the 
>> radiation resistance is not easily measured.
>> 
>> Antenna modeling done properly will provide a much more easily 
>> produced result.? Comparative results between different antennas can 
>> be obtained from a reference pickup antenna, but that can only show 
>> the relative performance, 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 4
> Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2018 17:20:17 -0700
> From: Alan <n1al at sonic.net>
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] ARRL book on receiving antennas
> Message-ID: <96b660d3-5a7d-cb60-8d1d-827aaa6d77fb at sonic.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
> 
>> On 09/09/2018 01:01 PM, Jim Brown wrote:
>>> On 9/9/2018 12:39 PM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote:
>>> How does one measure transmit antenna efficiency?
>> 
>> Not easily. :)? B...
> 
>> AND -- propagation reporting systems like WSPR and the Reverse Beacon 
>> Network (RBN) can provide very good comparisons between antennas IF a 
>> LOT of reports from? a LOT of stations is averaged over a LOT of time.
> 
> Back in the late 1970s, when I worked at W1AW, a new 90-foot tower with 
> stacked monobanders for 20 meters was installed.  We wanted to compare 
> the new antenna against the big rhombic that had been used for many 
> years for the 20 meter bulletin and code practice transmissions.
> 
> So, for a week or two, we did test transmissions after each scheduled 
> transmitting session.  We would switch between antenna "A" and antenna 
> "B", send long dashes, and ask listeners to send in QSL reports.  (Which 
> antenna was "A" and which was "B" varied randomly for each test.)
> 
> I collected the reports and plotted them on a map of the US.  We found 
> that the rhombic was a little better directly on its boresight to the 
> west (toward southern California from Connecticut) but the stacked Yagis 
> had a much wider beamwidth so were better over the country as a whole.
> 
> By the way, you don't have to transmit to compare two antennas if your 
> receiver has an accurate S meter.  Just switch between the antennas and 
> compare S meter readings.
> 
> Alan N1AL
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 5
> Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2018 20:07:16 -0500
> From: Bob McGraw K4TAX <rmcgraw at blomand.net>
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] ARRL book on receiving antennas
> Message-ID: <ee36342c-268c-4e51-b52a-04a92586ead6 at blomand.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
> 
> Thanks Fred.? I'm familiar with measuring broadcast fields for both 
> directional and non directional systems.? The variances over the seasons 
> with varying moisture levels in the ground and the difference with and 
> without vegetation is clearly measurable and predictable.? But still the 
> efficiency of the radiator was not clearly defined.
> 
> As to hams, I suppose we individually evaluate a given antenna under the 
> conditions we have available.? From that we can say that given antenna 
> ZZ is more or less efficient than antenna XX.? What ever that XX antenna 
> happens to be.? While others may say that their XYZ is the best antenna 
> they have? ever had,? this may be true, that is until one may find 
> another antenna to be better. What ever "better" is defined.?? And 
> again, each of us will have objectives in terms of what our antenna and 
> station must attain.??? As Rob Sherwood said when asked "what is the 
> best receiver", his answer; "what ever satisfies your needs and you feel 
> as comfortable to operate and can afford". ? ? I suppose antennas are 
> much in the same vein of characterization.
> 
> Yes, at VHF and UHF there are means and facilities to accurately measure 
> antenna efficiency.?? Usually we find those to be in the 60% to 80% 
> range.? Unfortunately some of the applied power is converted to heat, 
> the result of IR loss,? and thus is lost in terms of electromagnetic 
> radiation. ?? Again the means and the equipment required, as Jim K9YC 
> stated, generally is well above and beyond the means of most hams.???? 
> Some years ago I was fortunate to have supervised access to the antenna 
> test range at the Motorola facility in Florida and also at the anechoic 
> chamber owned by IBM in S. FL.?? These supported my graduate studies.
> 
> No further answers required on my part.?? I've launched into a "reading" 
> project to further educate myself on the topic.
> 
> 
> 73
> 
> Bob, K4TAX
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On 9/9/2018 5:48 PM, Fred Jensen wrote:
>> Yes, very straightforward theory.? Just gather all the watts actually 
>> radiated by the antenna and divide it by the watts you put into Rr.? 
>> Unfortunately, I did not really address Bob's question ... "How do you 
>> sweep up all those watts?" :-)? That is a nearly intractable problem 
>> at HF unless you'll tolerate significant inaccuracies and 
>> assumptions.? It's much easier at UHF and uWaves.
>> 
>> An alternative is to measure/compute the losses.? Did something 
>> similar on a 10 KW FM broadcast TX, calculating the power it took to 
>> heat the exhaust air on the premise that the rest went up the coax to 
>> the antenna and I knew what the PA input power was.
>> 
>> KFBK in Sacramento CA [1530 KHz] eliminated a lot of the unmeasurable 
>> variables by employing a Franklin antenna [center-fed half-wave 
>> vertical] over the rice fields of the southern Sacramento Valley 
>> [nearly always standing water, and always wet]. The center-fed 
>> vertical exhibits far less ground losses than bottom-fed monopoles ... 
>> at 50 KW, it's colloquially known as the "Flame Thrower of 
>> Sacramento."? It may be the only Franklin left in NA.? KFBK is also 
>> famous as the birthplace of the RCA Ampliphase transmitters and the 
>> radio birthplace of Rush Limbaugh.
>> 
>> NEC models coupled with terrain models can be used to establish upper 
>> and lower bounds on antenna efficiency with pretty good fidelity to 
>> reality.? But Bob still posed 
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From ve2fww at globetrotter.net  Wed Sep 12 14:51:00 2018
From: ve2fww at globetrotter.net (NOEL POULIN)
Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2018 14:51:00 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] O.T.
Message-ID: <151dc468-a263-fe3f-89e4-6bce73395bc2@globetrotter.net>

Hello, sorry but my question is not related with Elecraft ...but I do 
take a chance.
I am trying to connect the cw skimmer to the new SDR-IQ receiver....the 
software is Spectravue...
The receiver is working pretty good....but having a hard time to connect 
the skimmer with the SDR-IQ...
Anybody in this group can help please..???? you can send me infos direct 
with ve2fww at globetrotter.net
Thanks
Noel

From donovanf at starpower.net  Wed Sep 12 15:14:25 2018
From: donovanf at starpower.net (donovanf at starpower.net)
Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2018 15:14:25 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Elecraft] Franklin antennas
In-Reply-To: <003301d44a9f$83e02f70$8ba08e50$@arrl.net>
Message-ID: <1616610126.5546084.1536779665228.JavaMail.root@starpower.net>

Hi Paul, 


Here's the answer to question about when the Franklin antenna was invented. 


https://www.aktuellum.com/mobile/circuits/antenna-patent/patents/242342.pdf 


Patent applied for in 1924 before much was known about MF skywave propagation. 


73 
Frank 
W3LPL 

----- Original Message -----

From: "Paul Christensen" <w9ac at arrl.net> 
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net 
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2018 1:50:06 PM 
Subject: [Elecraft] Franklin antennas 

>"Both stations have extensive ground systems that would not be needed if 
they were dipoles." 

AMBC ground systems would still be needed (unless sited over salt water) to 
maximize ground-wave coverage even if they were center-fed vertical dipoles. 
The field intensity produced by a ground-mounted, center-fed 1/2 wave dipole 
is the same as a voltage-fed (at the tower base) vertical radiator. 

The majority of omnidirectional, high-power AM stations use anywhere between 
180 to 195 degree towers, voltage-fed at the base. In essence, they behave 
like vertical dipoles and in each case, they employ extensive radial 
systems. With either feed, maximum RF current occurs at the mid-point, and 
maximum voltage at either end. 

I don't recall if the Franklin was developed before or after studies showed 
that multi-lobe skywave radiation is minimized with 190 degree monopole 
radiators. That's the reason why so many legendary high-power stations use 
a tower height slightly longer than a half-wave while ground field intensity 
is essentially identical to the half-wave radiator. 

Paul, W9AC 
(Ex-RKO Radio, Chicago) 

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From ny9h at arrl.net  Wed Sep 12 15:29:57 2018
From: ny9h at arrl.net (bill steffey)
Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2018 15:29:57 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] assign squelch to  rit  or vfo B ????
Message-ID: <mailman.18.1536780631.3447.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>

setting up the hurricane net  14325 being able to assign a knoB to 
squelch main ...other than VFO A would be nice.

i have pf1 which makes main vfo squelch....

tnx

CU ALL AT  NIDXA'S W9DXCC


bill


From flathat at comcast.net  Wed Sep 12 16:06:30 2018
From: flathat at comcast.net (Richard)
Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2018 16:06:30 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] WSJT-X Band Following
Message-ID: <E62BF7A7-72EF-4F91-8B60-9C4B899C3035@comcast.net>

K3S, Mac Sierra 10.12, WSJT-X version 1.8.0.

Everything is working perfectly. Well, 99.874% is working perfectly. The little WSJT-X dropdown menu for band selection doesn?t follow band changes I make at the K3S. The same problem exists between my friend?s Kenwood TS-990s and his similar Mac running WSJT-X version 1.9.1.

I am told this can be facilitated with ?a cable? between the K3S and the Mac: RS-232 connector at the K3S and USB-A at the Mac.?

Is this correct? If not, what DO I need?

Do I need to make any Menu or Config changes to activate this?

I?d like to make this work so I won?t often have a ton of incorrect band notations in the log.

Cheers!

Richard ? W4KBX
FlatHat at comcast.net

From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Wed Sep 12 17:05:26 2018
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2018 16:05:26 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] WSJT-X Band Following
In-Reply-To: <E62BF7A7-72EF-4F91-8B60-9C4B899C3035@comcast.net>
References: <E62BF7A7-72EF-4F91-8B60-9C4B899C3035@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <db3a9b90-b2ba-fb21-e22d-a3d6afc6c7b1@blomand.net>

To my knowledge you only need a USB cable like used with a printer to 
connect between the USB port on the radio and the USB port on your 
computer.? In the radio CONFIG menu set the RS232 value to USB.? You do 
not use the RS-232 port on the radio.?? See page 18 of the K3S manual.

The remainder of the set-up is handled in the WSJT-X application where 
you choose:? Radio = Elecraft K3/KX3, Baud rate? = 38400, Data bit = 8, 
Stop bit = 1, Handshake = none, PTT method? =CAT, Mode = Data/Pkt, Split 
Operation = RIG.

This should get you up an running.? As to the friends TS-990, I'd 
presume it to follow the same implementation method except the values 
will likely be different depending on the requirements of the TS-990.

73

Bob, K4TAX


On 9/12/2018 3:06 PM, Richard wrote:
> K3S, Mac Sierra 10.12, WSJT-X version 1.8.0.
>
> Everything is working perfectly. Well, 99.874% is working perfectly. The little WSJT-X dropdown menu for band selection doesn?t follow band changes I make at the K3S. The same problem exists between my friend?s Kenwood TS-990s and his similar Mac running WSJT-X version 1.9.1.
>
> I am told this can be facilitated with ?a cable? between the K3S and the Mac: RS-232 connector at the K3S and USB-A at the Mac.?
>
> Is this correct? If not, what DO I need?
>
> Do I need to make any Menu or Config changes to activate this?
>
> I?d like to make this work so I won?t often have a ton of incorrect band notations in the log.
>
> Cheers!
>
> Richard ? W4KBX
> FlatHat at comcast.net
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From ve2fww at globetrotter.net  Wed Sep 12 17:32:08 2018
From: ve2fww at globetrotter.net (NOEL POULIN)
Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2018 17:32:08 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] need a dll file for the skimmer and the k3
Message-ID: <18a64e8e-b3ce-3abe-28a0-73759c4cd483@globetrotter.net>

Hello,
I am looking for a dll file, missing here, to be able to use my K3S with 
THE CW SKIMMER AND THE SDR-IQ RECEIVER.
The name of the file is SDRIQx.dll
Anybody can help please???
Thanks
Noel

From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Wed Sep 12 17:57:52 2018
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2018 16:57:52 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] need a dll file for the skimmer and the k3
In-Reply-To: <18a64e8e-b3ce-3abe-28a0-73759c4cd483@globetrotter.net>
References: <18a64e8e-b3ce-3abe-28a0-73759c4cd483@globetrotter.net>
Message-ID: <82F8F1E0-8DFE-4F73-81FF-72CCDCBCDE45@blomand.net>

Should be found on the HDSDR site.  I had to install it for my RSP-1 receiver. 

Bob, K4TAX


Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 12, 2018, at 4:32 PM, NOEL POULIN <ve2fww at globetrotter.net> wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> I am looking for a dll file, missing here, to be able to use my K3S with THE CW SKIMMER AND THE SDR-IQ RECEIVER.
> The name of the file is SDRIQx.dll
> Anybody can help please???
> Thanks
> Noel
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From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Wed Sep 12 18:15:27 2018
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2018 18:15:27 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] WSJT-X Band Following
In-Reply-To: <E62BF7A7-72EF-4F91-8B60-9C4B899C3035@comcast.net>
References: <E62BF7A7-72EF-4F91-8B60-9C4B899C3035@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <ca15bc45-47a6-2a04-5b8e-0878bec97184@embarqmail.com>

Richard,

You must have communications between WSJT-X and the K3S in order for 
WSJT-X to know the band that is selected on the K3S.

A standard USB cable is all you need between the computer and the K3S. 
Be certain you do not accidentally try to plug it into the RJ-45 jack 
because that will damage the jack.  Make certain the RS232 menu 
parameter is set to USB.

If you also have the P3, you should be using the CBLP3Y cable between 
the K3S and the P3 (and the setup is the same as the USB).
If you are currently using the RJ45 dongle on the K3S to connect with 
the P3 and plugging an RS-232 cable (or adapter) into the P3 PC 
connector, that should work too.  If this is the connection you have to 
the PC, set the RS-232 menu to 38400 baud.

You must tell WSJT-X which COM port is connected to the K3S - yes, a USB 
port with an adapter inserted will have a COM port assigned by the 
computer.  That also goes for the K3S connected with a straight USB 
cable (the USB to RS-232 adapter is in the K3S).

73,
Don W3FPR

On 9/12/2018 4:06 PM, Richard wrote:
> K3S, Mac Sierra 10.12, WSJT-X version 1.8.0.
> 
> Everything is working perfectly. Well, 99.874% is working perfectly. The little WSJT-X dropdown menu for band selection doesn?t follow band changes I make at the K3S. The same problem exists between my friend?s Kenwood TS-990s and his similar Mac running WSJT-X version 1.9.1.
> 
> I am told this can be facilitated with ?a cable? between the K3S and the Mac: RS-232 connector at the K3S and USB-A at the Mac.?
> 
> Is this correct? If not, what DO I need?
> 
> Do I need to make any Menu or Config changes to activate this?
> 

From geoiii at kkn.net  Wed Sep 12 21:53:39 2018
From: geoiii at kkn.net (George Fremin III)
Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2018 20:53:39 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Deaf K3
Message-ID: <0752D190-C2F8-4BE9-82B2-F26DFA10F8A3@kkn.net>


I turned on the K3 this morning and it is very deaf. hooking up and XG-3 to it shows it to be very deaf on ant 1 and ant 2. It seems to hear ok or maybe even normally on the RX any port. 

Is that enough to make guesses as to what has failed?  

--
George Fremin III



From k6ll.dave at gmail.com  Wed Sep 12 23:03:27 2018
From: k6ll.dave at gmail.com (Dave Hachadorian)
Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2018 20:03:27 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Deaf K3
In-Reply-To: <0752D190-C2F8-4BE9-82B2-F26DFA10F8A3@kkn.net>
References: <0752D190-C2F8-4BE9-82B2-F26DFA10F8A3@kkn.net>
Message-ID: <40288BAFA61F4806BBD041EE393E31CE@Toshiba>

Here are some things to look at:
https://marc.info/?l=elecraft&m=145323127930319&w=2

Dave Hachadorian, K6LL


-----Original Message----- 
From: George Fremin III
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2018 6:53 PM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] Deaf K3


I turned on the K3 this morning and it is very deaf. hooking up 
and XG-3 to it shows it to be very deaf on ant 1 and ant 2. It 
seems to hear ok or maybe even normally on the RX any port.

Is that enough to make guesses as to what has failed?

--
George Fremin III


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From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Thu Sep 13 00:29:28 2018
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2018 00:29:28 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Deaf K3
In-Reply-To: <0752D190-C2F8-4BE9-82B2-F26DFA10F8A3@kkn.net>
References: <0752D190-C2F8-4BE9-82B2-F26DFA10F8A3@kkn.net>
Message-ID: <61907ffe-982c-b459-040f-a70303ac8c7d@embarqmail.com>

George,

I suspect you have the RX antenna selected.  Tap the RX ANT button.
That is a per band selection.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 9/12/2018 9:53 PM, George Fremin III wrote:
> 
> I turned on the K3 this morning and it is very deaf. hooking up and XG-3 to it shows it to be very deaf on ant 1 and ant 2. It seems to hear ok or maybe even normally on the RX any port.
> 

From n6kr at elecraft.com  Thu Sep 13 20:45:34 2018
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2018 17:45:34 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Craziest / most rewarding QSOs
Message-ID: <CFA4CCCC-194B-4249-87DF-D96FD39C506C@elecraft.com>

15 meters never fails to amaze me. 

During a recent bout of paper log archaeology, I rediscovered a QSO I logged as a teen, in 1972. I was just minding my own business, tuning up using a Heath DX-20 driving 3 feet of coax to a 40 W incandescent bulb. Then a guy in Illinois called me....

Some years later I was using a home-brew rig (the ?Safari 4?) while visiting my Mom in Arizona. The battery was nearly depleted, the rig putting out only 200 mW. The antenna: 8 feet of wire running directly from the rig through a window to a clothesline. Tuning slowly, I heard a CQ from Rwanda (9X5). I called him and got a ?QRZ?? With a *lot* of patience on his end, we completed a basic QSO. No computer, no narrow filtering, no noise blanker. 

I would?ve gone nuts for a KX2 back in those days.

73,
Wayne
N6KR



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From xdavid at cis-broadband.com  Thu Sep 13 21:12:34 2018
From: xdavid at cis-broadband.com (David Gilbert)
Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2018 18:12:34 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Craziest / most rewarding QSOs
In-Reply-To: <CFA4CCCC-194B-4249-87DF-D96FD39C506C@elecraft.com>
References: <CFA4CCCC-194B-4249-87DF-D96FD39C506C@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <1436e87d-e768-ae8d-59c1-46823279731f@cis-broadband.com>


I've had my share of weird ones, but one that sticks in my mind was 
during Field Day several years ago.? I'm not sure, but I think I was 
using my new K1 that year.? Bob, K7ZB and I were operating up on the 
Mogollon Rim of Arizona, and one of the antennas I was checking out the 
night before the contest was a long, low vertically oriented rectangular 
loop that EZNEC+ told me should give a decent match on both 40m and 
20m.? It was ten feet long on the vertical end sections, something like 
40 or 50 feet long on the horizontal sections, fed in the middle of one 
of the ten foot verticals, and the lower horizontal wire was about five 
feet off the ground.? The idea was to get low angle vertical radiation 
with some broadside gain, which in retrospect was a dumb idea given the 
horrible ground conductivity in that area.? It turned out to be the very 
worst antenna I've ever used for Field Day and we had our worst score 
ever as a result ... and this is from two guys who in the year 2000 
(with totally different antennas ... hi) set was was then the all time 
record for 1B 2OP - Battery with 970 QSOs and an even 10,000 points.? 
The low rectangular loop was simply pure trash.

But ... that night before the contest while I was testing it out on 20m 
CW I heard an FR5 (middle of the Indian Ocean) calling CQ.? He was about 
S5 and came back to me on my first call with only five watts from my 
end.? Propagation is a strange and fickle mistress.

73,
Dave? AB7E



On 9/13/2018 5:45 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
> 15 meters never fails to amaze me.
>
> During a recent bout of paper log archaeology, I rediscovered a QSO I logged as a teen, in 1972. I was just minding my own business, tuning up using a Heath DX-20 driving 3 feet of coax to a 40 W incandescent bulb. Then a guy in Illinois called me....
>
> Some years later I was using a home-brew rig (the ?Safari 4?) while visiting my Mom in Arizona. The battery was nearly depleted, the rig putting out only 200 mW. The antenna: 8 feet of wire running directly from the rig through a window to a clothesline. Tuning slowly, I heard a CQ from Rwanda (9X5). I called him and got a ?QRZ?? With a *lot* of patience on his end, we completed a basic QSO. No computer, no narrow filtering, no noise blanker.
>
> I would?ve gone nuts for a KX2 back in those days.
>
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR
>
>
>
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From k6dgw at foothill.net  Thu Sep 13 21:51:41 2018
From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen)
Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2018 18:51:41 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Craziest / most rewarding QSOs
In-Reply-To: <CFA4CCCC-194B-4249-87DF-D96FD39C506C@elecraft.com>
References: <CFA4CCCC-194B-4249-87DF-D96FD39C506C@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <373db8a3-7231-9398-58f5-4b0e20dbc422@foothill.net>

You should have been a teen in the run-up to Cycle 19 in the 50's, 
Wayne.? I can't imagine what a K<anything> could have done.? Our 
prehistoric gear was actually doing amazing things then.? Other than 
Field Day, field operations, SOTA, Parks, IOTA and the like hadn't been 
invented. HF mobile was big, VHF FM and repeaters hadn't been invented 
either.? Unfortunately, I believed "This is just how it will always be."

73, Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

On 9/13/2018 5:45 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
> 15 meters never fails to amaze me.
>
> During a recent bout of paper log archaeology, I rediscovered a QSO I logged as a teen, in 1972. I was just minding my own business, tuning up using a Heath DX-20 driving 3 feet of coax to a 40 W incandescent bulb. Then a guy in Illinois called me....
>
> Some years later I was using a home-brew rig (the ?Safari 4?) while visiting my Mom in Arizona. The battery was nearly depleted, the rig putting out only 200 mW. The antenna: 8 feet of wire running directly from the rig through a window to a clothesline. Tuning slowly, I heard a CQ from Rwanda (9X5). I called him and got a ?QRZ?? With a *lot* of patience on his end, we completed a basic QSO. No computer, no narrow filtering, no noise blanker.
>
> I would?ve gone nuts for a KX2 back in those days.
>
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR
>


From n0nb at n0nb.us  Thu Sep 13 22:07:35 2018
From: n0nb at n0nb.us (Nate Bargmann)
Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2018 21:07:35 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Craziest / most rewarding QSOs
In-Reply-To: <CFA4CCCC-194B-4249-87DF-D96FD39C506C@elecraft.com>
References: <CFA4CCCC-194B-4249-87DF-D96FD39C506C@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <20180914020735.ariiyzgfhh73cnoy@n0nb.us>

Mine was rather recent, early 2014 to be exact and with the Amsterdam
Island expedition that year.  I had worked them on some other bands and
then on Saturday morning, 08 Feb, I saw they were spotted on 80m.  80m?
That's half a world away and all I had was a doublet up about 20 feet
that measured barely 200 feet overall and fed with 450 ohm window lead.
Well, I heard him (CW was the mode) and I called and he came back!  I
about fell over but completed the exchange.

>From Amsterdam Is. is probably the closest entity to the antipode.
According to all of the antenna books and experts over the years, this
was not supposed to happen, but there it was.

When people ask me how I can talk, I can honestly answer, "Halfway
around the world."

73, Nate, N0NB

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From esteptony at gmail.com  Thu Sep 13 22:13:20 2018
From: esteptony at gmail.com (Tony Estep)
Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2018 21:13:20 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Craziest / most rewarding QSOs
In-Reply-To: <373db8a3-7231-9398-58f5-4b0e20dbc422@foothill.net>
References: <CFA4CCCC-194B-4249-87DF-D96FD39C506C@elecraft.com>
	<373db8a3-7231-9398-58f5-4b0e20dbc422@foothill.net>
Message-ID: <CACHwrmMd5EC8h2hTL9xRqt1r49k0QefBPxdiJwLwDu+Uay1q=g@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Sep 13, 2018 at 8:53 PM Fred Jensen <k6dgw at foothill.net> wrote:

> You should have been a teen in the run-up to Cycle 19...

=================
Ain't that the truth. I had a homebrew Tx and a Hallicrafters SX-96 in 1957
and 1958 as a novice (KN0LTB). I had a pretty good antenna and 15 meters
was open nearly all the time. Signals were booming in from everywhere on
earth. I was one of a few novices who worked DXCC during the 1-year
allowable Novice term. Bill, KN4RID, now W4ZV, was the first. Great fun.
Short-wave radio was high tech in those days and guys all over the world
were eager to get in on the excitement. I assumed it was always going to be
like that.

Tony KT0NY

From wes_n7ws at triconet.org  Thu Sep 13 23:14:04 2018
From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes Stewart)
Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2018 20:14:04 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Craziest / most rewarding QSOs
In-Reply-To: <CFA4CCCC-194B-4249-87DF-D96FD39C506C@elecraft.com>
References: <CFA4CCCC-194B-4249-87DF-D96FD39C506C@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <54fccda3-d488-7b40-1085-58f84b01b801@triconet.org>

A couple come to mind but one stands out.? Without digging out dozens of old 
paper logs I'll guess about 1982-83 I was on 2M EME pointed west to my setting 
moon looking for JA or UA9.? I heard a CQ and copied W5UN.? I'd worked Dave many 
times, even on 2XSSB so I continued to tune.? A few hundred Hz from Dave's 
frequency I heard another station, considerably weaker.? It took some digging 
but I finally copied W5UN again!? I was taken aback until I realized that I was 
hearing him off the moon and off the back of my antenna on tropo.? The nearly 
setting moon was imparting Doppler and a 2 second time delay, causing me to hear 
two completely different signals.? I worked him and I'm pretty sure it must have 
been EME.? BTW, Dave is 950 miles from me.

Wes? N7WS

On 9/13/2018 5:45 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
> 15 meters never fails to amaze me.
>
> During a recent bout of paper log archaeology, I rediscovered a QSO I logged as a teen, in 1972. I was just minding my own business, tuning up using a Heath DX-20 driving 3 feet of coax to a 40 W incandescent bulb. Then a guy in Illinois called me....
>
> Some years later I was using a home-brew rig (the ?Safari 4?) while visiting my Mom in Arizona. The battery was nearly depleted, the rig putting out only 200 mW. The antenna: 8 feet of wire running directly from the rig through a window to a clothesline. Tuning slowly, I heard a CQ from Rwanda (9X5). I called him and got a ?QRZ?? With a *lot* of patience on his end, we completed a basic QSO. No computer, no narrow filtering, no noise blanker.
>
> I would?ve gone nuts for a KX2 back in those days.
>
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR
>


From frantz at pwpconsult.com  Thu Sep 13 23:34:24 2018
From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz)
Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2018 20:34:24 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Craziest / most rewarding QSOs
Message-ID: <r480Ps-10136i-1542B5C394DF4FABABA09C3F9562F431@Williams-MacBook-Pro.local>

On March 27 this year, I heard V31VP on 20M RTTY. I was getting 
ready to call him with my amp, but I heard him come back to my 
test transmission at 1.4 watts. We completed the QSO. Indeed, as 
David AB7E says, "Propagation is a strange and fickle mistress."

73 Bill AE6JV

On 9/13/18 at 5:45 PM, n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) wrote:

>During a recent bout of paper log archaeology, I rediscovered a 
>QSO I logged as a teen, in 1972. I was just minding my own 
>business, tuning up using a Heath DX-20 driving 3 feet of coax 
>to a 40 W incandescent bulb. Then a guy in Illinois called me....

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From gwwa5uih at hotmail.com  Thu Sep 13 23:46:54 2018
From: gwwa5uih at hotmail.com (George Winship, NC5G)
Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2018 20:46:54 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] Craziest / most rewarding QSOs
In-Reply-To: <CFA4CCCC-194B-4249-87DF-D96FD39C506C@elecraft.com>
References: <CFA4CCCC-194B-4249-87DF-D96FD39C506C@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <1536896814052-0.post@n2.nabble.com>

While there have been many interesting QSO's since I was licensed in 1968(age
16), the one that stands out was on a Saturday morning in 1969. I was
cleaning my bedroom, and since my radio was in there, I had it on tuned to
the 15 meter cw band while doing my chore. A weak station started calling cq
on the frequency I was tuned to. It was a German station, so I answered his
call. After exchanging names, RST, and QTH's, he told me that he had a
visitor in his shack from my hometown. I asked him if his visitor's name was
Hank. You could hear the excitement in his cw as he confirmed the name. You
see, Hank's daughter and her boyfriend had been at my house the evening
before for a visit and dinner and Hank was one of the topics of
conversation.  After about a thirty minute QSO, mostly about Hank and his
family, I took my copy of the QSO to his daughter to share with her and her
family. Since Hank was in the Air Force, he was gone from home a lot and
this QSO was very special to them.  And I can't even imagine the odds of
this coming together. And the room cleaning probably didn't get finished
that day.

BTW, the rig was a National NCX-5(loved that radio). Antenna was a dipole
about 15ft. up in a pine tree.

George NC5G (ex. WA5UIH)



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From joe at k2uf.com  Fri Sep 14 00:48:33 2018
From: joe at k2uf.com (Joe K2UF)
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2018 00:48:33 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Craziest / most rewarding QSOs
In-Reply-To: <373db8a3-7231-9398-58f5-4b0e20dbc422@foothill.net>
Message-ID: <mailman.20.1536900522.3447.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>

I remember working western Europe on six in the mid 50s. Using a homebrew
three element E.M.T. beam ( yes E.M.T.  Could not afford aluminum!!)  The
rcvr was an old BC radio with a six meter converter and a modified Globe
Scout transmitter (see my QRZ page.).

AHH the good old days.

73

Joe k2UF
 

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From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net
[mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Fred Jensen
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2018 9:52 PM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Craziest / most rewarding QSOs

You should have been a teen in the run-up to Cycle 19 in the 50's, Wayne.? I
can't imagine what a K<anything> could have done.? Our prehistoric gear was
actually doing amazing things then.? Other than Field Day, field operations,
SOTA, Parks, IOTA and the like hadn't been invented. HF mobile was big, VHF
FM and repeaters hadn't been invented either.? Unfortunately, I believed
"This is just how it will always be."

73, Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

On 9/13/2018 5:45 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
> 15 meters never fails to amaze me.
>
> During a recent bout of paper log archaeology, I rediscovered a QSO I
logged as a teen, in 1972. I was just minding my own business, tuning up
using a Heath DX-20 driving 3 feet of coax to a 40 W incandescent bulb. Then
a guy in Illinois called me....
>
> Some years later I was using a home-brew rig (the ?Safari 4?) while
visiting my Mom in Arizona. The battery was nearly depleted, the rig putting
out only 200 mW. The antenna: 8 feet of wire running directly from the rig
through a window to a clothesline. Tuning slowly, I heard a CQ from Rwanda
(9X5). I called him and got a ?QRZ?? With a *lot* of patience on his end, we
completed a basic QSO. No computer, no narrow filtering, no noise blanker.
>
> I would?ve gone nuts for a KX2 back in those days.
>
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR
>

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From dm4im at t-online.de  Fri Sep 14 04:28:20 2018
From: dm4im at t-online.de (Martin)
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2018 10:28:20 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] Craziest / most rewarding QSOs
Message-ID: <26bff3c9-a469-0e6b-7d91-d875e897b3ac@t-online.de>

In the 80's I held a license for VHF/UHF only, like a novice license.
I had just taken down my 21 element UHF and 10 element VHF antennas and 
elevation rotator for satellite work and replaced them with a 4*10 
element yagi array for 2m dx. Tuned around the ssb part of the 2m-band 
and heard.... nothing. Humm..So i tuned to the satellite band and 
clearly could copy DP0GVN , the german antarctic station, on amsat oscar 
10 satellite. WHAAAT? I hooked up what was left from my UHF antenna, i 
think it was 9 or 10 elements, reflector and radiator included. Held it 
out the shack window and aimed roughly in the same direction where the 
2m antenna was pointing....and made the contact. I recall the op on the 
other end saying something like "Guys, you got to hear this. This weirdo 
holds his antenna in his hand". Can i claim a /portable satellite contact?

-- 

Ohne CW ist es nur CB..

73, Martin DM4iM

From david at g4dmp.co.uk  Fri Sep 14 05:17:51 2018
From: david at g4dmp.co.uk (David Pratt)
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2018 10:17:51 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] Craziest / most rewarding QSOs
In-Reply-To: <CFA4CCCC-194B-4249-87DF-D96FD39C506C@elecraft.com>
References: <CFA4CCCC-194B-4249-87DF-D96FD39C506C@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <p5qQNJB$y3mbFwRg@g4dmp.co.uk>

I would love to go back to 1955, Wayne, using homebrew equipment, when I
was first licensed (as G3KEP) and we used condensers instead of
capacitors.

Even in 2000 when I built my first K2 MoJo, I only had to press the key
and got a pileup calling me.

Nowadays, with the advent of PLT, CFL & LED lamps and switched mode
PSUs, I have an S9 noise level. So signals have to be over S9 for me to
work them.  Still, that should be OK for contests when every signal is
5NN ;-)

73 de David G4DMP

In a recent message, "Wayne Burdick n6kr at elecraft.com [KX3]"
<KX3-noreply at yahoogroups.com> writes
>15 meters never fails to amaze me.
>
>During a recent bout of paper log archaeology, I rediscovered a QSO I
>logged as a teen, in 1972. I was just minding my own business, tuning
>up using a Heath DX-20 driving 3 feet of coax to a 40 W incandescent
>bulb. Then a guy in Illinois called me....
>
>Some years later I was using a home-brew rig (the ?Safari 4?) while
>visiting my Mom in Arizona. The battery was nearly depleted, the rig
>putting out only 200 mW. The antenna: 8 feet of wire running directly
>from the rig through a window to a clothesline. Tuning slowly, I heard
>a CQ from Rwanda (9X5). I called him and got a ?QRZ?? With a *lot* of
>patience on his end, we completed a basic QSO. No computer, no narrow
>filtering, no noise blanker.
>
>I would?ve gone nuts for a KX2 back in those days.

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From k2vco.vic at gmail.com  Fri Sep 14 06:57:33 2018
From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP)
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2018 13:57:33 +0300
Subject: [Elecraft] Craziest / most rewarding QSOs
In-Reply-To: <20180914020735.ariiyzgfhh73cnoy@n0nb.us>
References: <CFA4CCCC-194B-4249-87DF-D96FD39C506C@elecraft.com>
	<20180914020735.ariiyzgfhh73cnoy@n0nb.us>
Message-ID: <a9ba6755-6e2b-ffd5-759c-7236c66c40d0@gmail.com>

About 4pm one afternoon in New Jersey, I heard an Egyptian station in 
QSO with a W8 on 20 meters. I waited to pounce, because I had never even 
heard Egypt before. But then the W8 asked him to "try 40," and the 
Egyptian immediately QSYed. I despaired. Although I only had 40 watts, I 
had a 2-element beam at 30 feet on 20, and only a low dipole for 40. But 
I went to the 40m frequency that they had agreed upon. And there was the 
W8 calling the SU.
The Egyptian station couldn't hear him. But he heard me!

73,
Victor, 4X6GP
Rehovot, Israel
Formerly K2VCO
CWops no. 5
http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/
On 14/09/2018 5:07, Nate Bargmann wrote:
> Mine was rather recent, early 2014 to be exact and with the Amsterdam
> Island expedition that year.  I had worked them on some other bands and
> then on Saturday morning, 08 Feb, I saw they were spotted on 80m.  80m?
> That's half a world away and all I had was a doublet up about 20 feet
> that measured barely 200 feet overall and fed with 450 ohm window lead.
> Well, I heard him (CW was the mode) and I called and he came back!  I
> about fell over but completed the exchange.
> 
>  From Amsterdam Is. is probably the closest entity to the antipode.
> According to all of the antenna books and experts over the years, this
> was not supposed to happen, but there it was.
> 
> When people ask me how I can talk, I can honestly answer, "Halfway
> around the world."
> 
> 73, Nate, N0NB
> 

From neilz at techie.com  Fri Sep 14 08:40:33 2018
From: neilz at techie.com (Neil Zampella)
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2018 08:40:33 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] WSJT-X Band Following
In-Reply-To: <ca15bc45-47a6-2a04-5b8e-0878bec97184@embarqmail.com>
References: <E62BF7A7-72EF-4F91-8B60-9C4B899C3035@comcast.net>
	<ca15bc45-47a6-2a04-5b8e-0878bec97184@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <03167b4c-81ba-e2ab-2840-9ee450c2e7d1@techie.com>

One thing to add ... once you have the CAT control setup properly, you 
should change bands via WSJT-X, as it will control the band changes on 
the rig, not the reverse.

Neil, KN3ILZ


On 9/12/2018 6:15 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
> Richard,
>
> You must have communications between WSJT-X and the K3S in order for 
> WSJT-X to know the band that is selected on the K3S.
>
> A standard USB cable is all you need between the computer and the K3S. 
> Be certain you do not accidentally try to plug it into the RJ-45 jack 
> because that will damage the jack.? Make certain the RS232 menu 
> parameter is set to USB.
>
> If you also have the P3, you should be using the CBLP3Y cable between 
> the K3S and the P3 (and the setup is the same as the USB).
> If you are currently using the RJ45 dongle on the K3S to connect with 
> the P3 and plugging an RS-232 cable (or adapter) into the P3 PC 
> connector, that should work too.? If this is the connection you have 
> to the PC, set the RS-232 menu to 38400 baud.
>
> You must tell WSJT-X which COM port is connected to the K3S - yes, a 
> USB port with an adapter inserted will have a COM port assigned by the 
> computer.? That also goes for the K3S connected with a straight USB 
> cable (the USB to RS-232 adapter is in the K3S).
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 9/12/2018 4:06 PM, Richard wrote:
>> K3S, Mac Sierra 10.12, WSJT-X version 1.8.0.
>>
>> Everything is working perfectly. Well, 99.874% is working perfectly. 
>> The little WSJT-X dropdown menu for band selection doesn?t follow 
>> band changes I make at the K3S. The same problem exists between my 
>> friend?s Kenwood TS-990s and his similar Mac running WSJT-X version 
>> 1.9.1.
>>
>> I am told this can be facilitated with ?a cable? between the K3S and 
>> the Mac: RS-232 connector at the K3S and USB-A at the Mac.?
>>
>> Is this correct? If not, what DO I need?
>>
>> Do I need to make any Menu or Config changes to activate this?
>>
>


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From n3ikq at yahoo.com  Fri Sep 14 09:08:32 2018
From: n3ikq at yahoo.com (rick jones)
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2018 13:08:32 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] USB sound card recommendation for KX3
References: <1667336889.4666178.1536930512812.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1667336889.4666178.1536930512812@mail.yahoo.com>

I'm looking for a USB sound "dongle" that will interface with my KX3 for FT8 and similar modes. I have a SignalLink but I'm looking for a more portable solution. Can someone recommend a current make/model that works well? Thank you.

From k9jri at mac.com  Fri Sep 14 09:30:41 2018
From: k9jri at mac.com (Michael Blake)
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2018 09:30:41 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Craziest / most rewarding QSOs
In-Reply-To: <20180914045018.4476E149B225@mailman.qth.net>
References: <20180914045018.4476E149B225@mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID: <35401CBF-B8A7-40C0-AEFE-1AF3288058C0@mac.com>

Joe, my good 1958 memories include working a JA on 6M AM with my home-brew EMT ground plane, GlobeScout 680A, SX-99 and convertor.  Like all the other comments I never considered conditions changing. I had a 10M AM rig in my first car, in 1959, and worked the world on 29.6 AM.  In fact I met the father of my future bride on 10M AM.

Wayne will have to SQUISH this one for sure.  Oh, wait a minute, Wayne started this one:)

73 - Mike - K9JRI






> On Sep 14, 2018, at 12:48 AM, Joe K2UF <joe at k2uf.com> wrote:
> 
> I remember working western Europe on six in the mid 50s. Using a homebrew
> three element E.M.T. beam ( yes E.M.T.  Could not afford aluminum!!)  The
> rcvr was an old BC radio with a six meter converter and a modified Globe
> Scout transmitter (see my QRZ page.).
> 
> AHH the good old days.
> 
> 73
> 
> Joe k2UF
> 


From k4to.dave at gmail.com  Fri Sep 14 10:03:45 2018
From: k4to.dave at gmail.com (Dave Sublette)
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2018 10:03:45 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Memories
Message-ID: <CAKynJK=JJtZkcULMeHxjoaWzO_WvpZhWV_av06xaS2cYtV8A=w@mail.gmail.com>

Nov 3 will be the 100th anniversary of my Father's birth. As a 16 year old
with my general  ticket, I watched as he put up a Spaulding 64 foot
self-supporting tower. 6 feet of water pipe with a CDE rotator out the top
and a saddle welded on the top held my 4 element Gotham 10 meter beam. The
antenna was lifted over his head and placed in the cradle at sunset. Two
hose clamps held it down, tightened, likewise, with his arm reaching above
his head.  His safety belt was a piece of rope tied around his waist and
the pipe.

There is no limit to the love and dedication a Father will go to to support
and encourage his son.  I'm sure watching him do that for me was much of
the inspiration that caused me to put up towers, get an engineering degree,
and try to match his example of being what a father should be.

R.I.P.  Dad

K4TO

From wb6rse1 at mac.com  Fri Sep 14 10:26:05 2018
From: wb6rse1 at mac.com (wb6rse1 at mac.com)
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2018 07:26:05 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Craziest / most rewarding QSOs
In-Reply-To: <a9ba6755-6e2b-ffd5-759c-7236c66c40d0@gmail.com>
References: <CFA4CCCC-194B-4249-87DF-D96FD39C506C@elecraft.com>
	<20180914020735.ariiyzgfhh73cnoy@n0nb.us>
	<a9ba6755-6e2b-ffd5-759c-7236c66c40d0@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <368E616F-D5EE-47E1-ACF8-ABD5EC4476A2@mac.com>

One of mine:

http://dokufunk.org/amateur_radio/dxcc_entities/index.php?CID=4728&lang=EN&ID=4758#A4758 <http://dokufunk.org/amateur_radio/dxcc_entities/index.php?CID=4728&lang=EN&ID=4758#A4758>

73 - Steve WB6RSE

From chpalm at icloud.com  Fri Sep 14 10:40:08 2018
From: chpalm at icloud.com (Christer Palm)
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2018 16:40:08 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft KX3 Utility error on Mac OS X High Sierra
Message-ID: <B68B2F66-4BF3-4B61-BEEC-4195902A0EA6@icloud.com>

Hi!
I have big problems getting Elecraft KX3 Utility work on Mac OS X High Sierra. The application opens but will not connect to the KX3

error log when starting application is 

/BuildRoot/Library/Caches/com.apple.xbs/Sources/AppleFSCompression/AppleFSCompression-96.60.1/Common/ChunkCompression.cpp:49: Error: unsupported compressor 8
/BuildRoot/Library/Caches/com.apple.xbs/Sources/AppleFSCompression/AppleFSCompression-96.60.1/Libraries/CompressData/CompressData.c:353: Error: Unknown compression scheme encountered for file '/System/Library/CoreServices/CoreTypes.bundle/Contents/Resources/Exceptions.plist'
/BuildRoot/Library/Caches/com.apple.xbs/Sources/AppleFSCompression/AppleFSCompression-96.60.1/Common/ChunkCompression.cpp:49: Error: unsupported compressor 8
/BuildRoot/Library/Caches/com.apple.xbs/Sources/AppleFSCompression/AppleFSCompression-96.60.1/Libraries/CompressData/CompressData.c:353: Error: Unknown compression scheme encountered for file '/System/Library/CoreServices/CoreTypes.bundle/Contents/Library/AppExceptions.bundle/Exceptions.plist'

Any Ideas? Yes I have the D2XX drivers and gone through the installation guides several times, as well as numerous restarts in between.

That in advance for usable advice 
   
73 SA0PAL, Christer


?Worry is like a rocking chair. It gives you something to do, but it doesn?t get you anywhere.?



From wunder at wunderwood.org  Fri Sep 14 10:54:37 2018
From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood)
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2018 07:54:37 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] USB sound card recommendation for KX3
In-Reply-To: <1667336889.4666178.1536930512812@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1667336889.4666178.1536930512812.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<1667336889.4666178.1536930512812@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <332772A8-1252-40D3-AB57-7382BD206842@wunderwood.org>

On Sep 14, 2018, at 6:08 AM, rick jones via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
> 
> I'm looking for a USB sound "dongle" that will interface with my KX3 for FT8 and similar modes. I have a SignalLink but I'm looking for a more portable solution. Can someone recommend a current make/model that works well? Thank you.

This page evaluates a bunch of USB audio interfaces for spectrum display, a similar problem.

http://www.telepostinc.com/soundcards.html

This page talks about experience with a few specific ones and how to set levels.

http://audiosystemsgroup.com/USB_Interfaces.pdf

wunder
K6WRU
Walter Underwood
CM87wj
http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog)

From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Fri Sep 14 11:11:18 2018
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2018 11:11:18 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] USB sound card recommendation for KX3
In-Reply-To: <332772A8-1252-40D3-AB57-7382BD206842@wunderwood.org>
References: <1667336889.4666178.1536930512812.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<1667336889.4666178.1536930512812@mail.yahoo.com>
	<332772A8-1252-40D3-AB57-7382BD206842@wunderwood.org>
Message-ID: <2515550f-db9d-ba92-6c84-a0db28e358d0@embarqmail.com>

Once you have selected your soundcard and get ready to set the audio 
levels, you may want to refer to the article on my website 
www.w3fpr.com.  Scroll to the last article on the left column and click 
the link.

You must set the KX3 (or K3 or K3S or KX2) for 4 bars solid on the ALC 
display with the 5th bar flashing.  Most internet advice does not work 
for Elecraft radios.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 9/14/2018 10:54 AM, Walter Underwood wrote:
> On Sep 14, 2018, at 6:08 AM, rick jones via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
>>
>> I'm looking for a USB sound "dongle" that will interface with my KX3 for FT8 and similar modes. I have a SignalLink but I'm looking for a more portable solution. Can someone recommend a current make/model that works well? Thank you.
> 
> This page evaluates a bunch of USB audio interfaces for spectrum display, a similar problem.
> 
> http://www.telepostinc.com/soundcards.html
> 
> This page talks about experience with a few specific ones and how to set levels.
> 
> http://audiosystemsgroup.com/USB_Interfaces.pdf
> 
> wunder
> K6WRU
> Walter Underwood
> CM87wj
> http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog)
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From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Fri Sep 14 11:19:39 2018
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2018 11:19:39 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft KX3 Utility error on Mac OS X High Sierra
In-Reply-To: <B68B2F66-4BF3-4B61-BEEC-4195902A0EA6@icloud.com>
References: <B68B2F66-4BF3-4B61-BEEC-4195902A0EA6@icloud.com>
Message-ID: <034f41c6-cc95-c9ad-b8d4-50a0e967aba4@embarqmail.com>

Christer,

I don't know about the D2XX drivers.  You need to have the FTDI drivers. 
  You can download them from https://www.ftdichip.com/FTDrivers.htm.

The first step is to get your computer to enumerate the COM port 
associated with the USB to serial adapter.  Having that number, put it 
into the KX3 Utility PORT tab and Test Communications.

Once the utility connects, everything else should go smoothly.

A rhetorical question - Why have I seen this problem recently from Mac 
users?  Perhaps the Mac software is no longer using the proper drivers 
for the FTDI adapter.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 9/14/2018 10:40 AM, Christer Palm via Elecraft wrote:
> Hi!
> I have big problems getting Elecraft KX3 Utility work on Mac OS X High Sierra. The application opens but will not connect to the KX3
> 
> Any Ideas? Yes I have the D2XX drivers and gone through the installation guides several times, as well as numerous restarts in between.
> 

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From ghyoungman at gmail.com  Fri Sep 14 11:38:00 2018
From: ghyoungman at gmail.com (Grant Youngman)
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2018 11:38:00 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft KX3 Utility error on Mac OS X High Sierra
In-Reply-To: <034f41c6-cc95-c9ad-b8d4-50a0e967aba4@embarqmail.com>
References: <B68B2F66-4BF3-4B61-BEEC-4195902A0EA6@icloud.com>
	<034f41c6-cc95-c9ad-b8d4-50a0e967aba4@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <C3FB1657-E34F-4393-9748-163157E4685F@gmail.com>

That?s a good question.  I?m a Mac user, and have never had a problem.  So it doesn?t sound like it?s some ?universal? issue with macOS.

Grant NQ5T
K3 #2091 KX3 #8342

> 
> 
> A rhetorical question - Why have I seen this problem recently from Mac users?  Perhaps the Mac software is no longer using the proper drivers for the FTDI adapter.
> 


From phystad at mac.com  Fri Sep 14 11:45:10 2018
From: phystad at mac.com (Phil Hystad)
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2018 08:45:10 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft KX3 Utility error on Mac OS X High Sierra
In-Reply-To: <C3FB1657-E34F-4393-9748-163157E4685F@gmail.com>
References: <B68B2F66-4BF3-4B61-BEEC-4195902A0EA6@icloud.com>
	<034f41c6-cc95-c9ad-b8d4-50a0e967aba4@embarqmail.com>
	<C3FB1657-E34F-4393-9748-163157E4685F@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8A67D126-A560-40C0-9440-CB851E992FF2@mac.com>

One thing to try is to download a fresh new FTDi driver and install that.



> On Sep 14, 2018, at 8:38 AM, Grant Youngman <ghyoungman at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> That?s a good question.  I?m a Mac user, and have never had a problem.  So it doesn?t sound like it?s some ?universal? issue with macOS.
> 
> Grant NQ5T
> K3 #2091 KX3 #8342
> 
>> 
>> 
>> A rhetorical question - Why have I seen this problem recently from Mac users?  Perhaps the Mac software is no longer using the proper drivers for the FTDI adapter.
>> 
> 
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From ke1b at richseifert.com  Fri Sep 14 11:48:49 2018
From: ke1b at richseifert.com (ke1b at richseifert.com)
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2018 08:48:49 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Connecting a KX2 to a Laptop
In-Reply-To: <1552863873F1C0B7.1141@groups.io>
References: <219E6B04-BB2B-41A4-BC83-BFBCE5D68477@richseifert.com>
	<22741.1536431669565931989@groups.io> <1552863873F1C0B7.1141@groups.io>
Message-ID: <BF2AD121-3D8E-4995-A895-8E8FBA01E3A2@richseifert.com>


I am trying to connect a KX2 (which has a standard headphone output and microphone input on separate 3.5mm jacks) to a laptop that has an integrated (4 pin TRRS) microphone input and sound output. I have the adapter than converts the 4-pin 3.5 mm jack to two separate jacks, for a microphone input (to the laptop) and sound out (from the laptop). I connected those jacks to the corresponding jacks on the KX2, using stereo cables. This is the exact configuration as shown in Frank Cady?s KX2 book.

On transmit, everything works fine. I can key the radio from N1MM, send CW (via KY commands), and send digital data (e.g., FT8) to the radio and the radio transmits everything fine. All levels can be adjusted to perfection.

On receive, I?ve got nada. I can?t see any audio coming from the radio into the laptop. If I disconnect the external input, I can actually decode digital data with audio from the radio?s speaker, through the air, to the laptop?s internal microphone. Now, I can deal with the differences in levels, if necessary, but I?m not getting ANY audio from the radio to the laptop via the cabling. What am I missing? I?m hoping to make this work without lots of little adapter boxes, USB hubs, external codecs, etc. for very-portable operation.



Rich KE1B


From jackbrindle at me.com  Fri Sep 14 11:53:48 2018
From: jackbrindle at me.com (Jack Brindle)
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2018 08:53:48 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft KX3 Utility error on Mac OS X High Sierra
In-Reply-To: <B68B2F66-4BF3-4B61-BEEC-4195902A0EA6@icloud.com>
References: <B68B2F66-4BF3-4B61-BEEC-4195902A0EA6@icloud.com>
Message-ID: <58DFC0BC-C0B9-413D-8EFF-40077556D6EE@me.com>

Chris;

The FTDI drivers are now maintained by Apple (since Mac OS X 10.9), so there is no need for installing the ones from FTDI. In fact you probably should uninstall them to allow the Apple drivers to do their job.

But this isn?t an I/O issue. This looks like there is a corrupt file the application is trying, but failing to read. There should be a crash dump that was created when the program crashed. Open the Console app (in /Applications/Utilities) and look in the various directories it shows for an appropriately named crash log. That should tell us a lot more.

One question - did you try to copy a file from a Windows machine into the Mac for this application?

Perhaps David (the app author) might want to jump in here as well. He might have a much better feel for why we are seeing these errors.

73!
Jack, W6FB

> On Sep 14, 2018, at 7:40 AM, Christer Palm via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> I have big problems getting Elecraft KX3 Utility work on Mac OS X High Sierra. The application opens but will not connect to the KX3
> 
> error log when starting application is 
> 
> /BuildRoot/Library/Caches/com.apple.xbs/Sources/AppleFSCompression/AppleFSCompression-96.60.1/Common/ChunkCompression.cpp:49: Error: unsupported compressor 8
> /BuildRoot/Library/Caches/com.apple.xbs/Sources/AppleFSCompression/AppleFSCompression-96.60.1/Libraries/CompressData/CompressData.c:353: Error: Unknown compression scheme encountered for file '/System/Library/CoreServices/CoreTypes.bundle/Contents/Resources/Exceptions.plist'
> /BuildRoot/Library/Caches/com.apple.xbs/Sources/AppleFSCompression/AppleFSCompression-96.60.1/Common/ChunkCompression.cpp:49: Error: unsupported compressor 8
> /BuildRoot/Library/Caches/com.apple.xbs/Sources/AppleFSCompression/AppleFSCompression-96.60.1/Libraries/CompressData/CompressData.c:353: Error: Unknown compression scheme encountered for file '/System/Library/CoreServices/CoreTypes.bundle/Contents/Library/AppExceptions.bundle/Exceptions.plist'
> 
> Any Ideas? Yes I have the D2XX drivers and gone through the installation guides several times, as well as numerous restarts in between.
> 
> That in advance for usable advice 
> 
> 73 SA0PAL, Christer
> 
> 
> ?Worry is like a rocking chair. It gives you something to do, but it doesn?t get you anywhere.?
> 
> 
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From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Fri Sep 14 12:04:04 2018
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2018 12:04:04 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Connecting a KX2 to a Laptop
In-Reply-To: <BF2AD121-3D8E-4995-A895-8E8FBA01E3A2@richseifert.com>
References: <219E6B04-BB2B-41A4-BC83-BFBCE5D68477@richseifert.com>
	<22741.1536431669565931989@groups.io> <1552863873F1C0B7.1141@groups.io>
	<BF2AD121-3D8E-4995-A895-8E8FBA01E3A2@richseifert.com>
Message-ID: <197c3f0b-8f6a-620c-1175-3691d61af0c2@embarqmail.com>

Rich,

Do you have audio out of the KX2 on the headphone jack?  If so, the 
other thing to consider is the adapter to the TRRS plug and the audio 
levels for Microphone or Line in your computer.  Make sure you computer 
does not have the mic disabled.  If windows, check the soundcard 
settings - there is something similar with a Mac, but I am not a Mac user.

Recent upgrades to Windows do mute the microphone or line input.

73,
Don W3FPR


On 9/14/2018 11:48 AM, ke1b at richseifert.com wrote:
> 
> I am trying to connect a KX2 (which has a standard headphone output and microphone input on separate 3.5mm jacks) to a laptop that has an integrated (4 pin TRRS) microphone input and sound output. I have the adapter than converts the 4-pin 3.5 mm jack to two separate jacks, for a microphone input (to the laptop) and sound out (from the laptop). I connected those jacks to the corresponding jacks on the KX2, using stereo cables. This is the exact configuration as shown in Frank Cady?s KX2 book.
> 
> On transmit, everything works fine. I can key the radio from N1MM, send CW (via KY commands), and send digital data (e.g., FT8) to the radio and the radio transmits everything fine. All levels can be adjusted to perfection.
> 
> On receive, I?ve got nada. I can?t see any audio coming from the radio into the laptop. If I disconnect the external input, I can actually decode digital data with audio from the radio?s speaker, through the air, to the laptop?s internal microphone. Now, I can deal with the differences in levels, if necessary, but I?m not getting ANY audio from the radio to the laptop via the cabling. What am I missing? I?m hoping to make this work without lots of little adapter boxes, USB hubs, external codecs, etc. for very-portable operation.

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From chpalm at icloud.com  Fri Sep 14 12:14:28 2018
From: chpalm at icloud.com (Christer Palm)
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2018 18:14:28 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft KX3 Utility error on Mac OS X High Sierra
In-Reply-To: <034f41c6-cc95-c9ad-b8d4-50a0e967aba4@embarqmail.com>
References: <B68B2F66-4BF3-4B61-BEEC-4195902A0EA6@icloud.com>
	<034f41c6-cc95-c9ad-b8d4-50a0e967aba4@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <CDEC8C0E-FCDC-42AC-B9E9-3F994E7DFCEA@icloud.com>

Thanks Don!

I Have the FTDrivers as well but had not restarted the Mac. After that everything works fine!

73, Christer

> On 14 Sep 2018, at 17:19, Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Christer,
> 
> I don't know about the D2XX drivers.  You need to have the FTDI drivers.  You can download them from https://www.ftdichip.com/FTDrivers.htm.
> 
> The first step is to get your computer to enumerate the COM port associated with the USB to serial adapter.  Having that number, put it into the KX3 Utility PORT tab and Test Communications.
> 
> Once the utility connects, everything else should go smoothly.
> 
> A rhetorical question - Why have I seen this problem recently from Mac users?  Perhaps the Mac software is no longer using the proper drivers for the FTDI adapter.
> 
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
> 
> On 9/14/2018 10:40 AM, Christer Palm via Elecraft wrote:
>> Hi!
>> I have big problems getting Elecraft KX3 Utility work on Mac OS X High Sierra. The application opens but will not connect to the KX3
>> Any Ideas? Yes I have the D2XX drivers and gone through the installation guides several times, as well as numerous restarts in between.
> 
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From crjungers at gmail.com  Fri Sep 14 12:20:09 2018
From: crjungers at gmail.com (Craig Jungers)
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2018 09:20:09 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] -Remote Rig "standard" with K3 and K3/0 mini
Message-ID: <CAPWatMDVQCc-7QmwXQp0K1kg+h7MEEDqzkR0AA2fkOuM6h30YQ@mail.gmail.com>

A friend of mine has the RRC-1258MkIIs "standard" pair and wants to sell it
to me but I have a K3 and a K3/0-mini and there is a "twin" that Elecraft
and RemoteRigs sells for those.

Will the "standard" still work ok?

tks de K7EXJ
Craig

From dflem at yahoo.com  Fri Sep 14 12:31:54 2018
From: dflem at yahoo.com (David Fleming)
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2018 16:31:54 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft KX3 Utility error on Mac OS X High Sierra
In-Reply-To: <B68B2F66-4BF3-4B61-BEEC-4195902A0EA6@icloud.com>
References: <B68B2F66-4BF3-4B61-BEEC-4195902A0EA6@icloud.com>
Message-ID: <2096055223.5028111.1536942714968@mail.yahoo.com>

Hi Christer,

You want the FTDI VCP Drivers, not the D2XX. As Jack mentioned, the FTDI drivers are now provided by Apple and are included in all versions since OS X 10.9. You should uninstall the D2XX drivers.?

Also try deleting the KX3 Utility app, and it's preferences file, and download again from the Elecraft web site and reinstall. The preferences file is located in the /Users/your_user_name/Library/Preferences folder on the Mac. The Library folder is usually hidden. A quick way to get there is to click the "Go" menu in Finder and press the "option" key. The Library folder will then appear in the Go menu. The KX3 Utility preferences file is named "KX3UtilPrefs".?

Regards,

David, W4SMT

----------------------------
On Friday, September 14, 2018, 10:40:57 AM EDT, Christer Palm via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote: 

Hi!
I have big problems getting Elecraft KX3 Utility work on Mac OS X High Sierra. The application opens but will not connect to the KX3

error log when starting application is 

/BuildRoot/Library/Caches/com.apple.xbs/Sources/AppleFSCompression/AppleFSCompression-96.60.1/Common/ChunkCompression.cpp:49: Error: unsupported compressor 8
/BuildRoot/Library/Caches/com.apple.xbs/Sources/AppleFSCompression/AppleFSCompression-96.60.1/Libraries/CompressData/CompressData.c:353: Error: Unknown compression scheme encountered for file '/System/Library/CoreServices/CoreTypes.bundle/Contents/Resources/Exceptions.plist'
/BuildRoot/Library/Caches/com.apple.xbs/Sources/AppleFSCompression/AppleFSCompression-96.60.1/Common/ChunkCompression.cpp:49: Error: unsupported compressor 8
/BuildRoot/Library/Caches/com.apple.xbs/Sources/AppleFSCompression/AppleFSCompression-96.60.1/Libraries/CompressData/CompressData.c:353: Error: Unknown compression scheme encountered for file '/System/Library/CoreServices/CoreTypes.bundle/Contents/Library/AppExceptions.bundle/Exceptions.plist'

Any Ideas? Yes I have the D2XX drivers and gone through the installation guides several times, as well as numerous restarts in between.

That in advance for usable advice 
? 
73 SA0PAL, Christer


?Worry is like a rocking chair. It gives you something to do, but it doesn?t get you anywhere.?


From ke1b at richseifert.com  Fri Sep 14 12:53:28 2018
From: ke1b at richseifert.com (ke1b at richseifert.com)
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2018 09:53:28 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Connecting a KX2 to a Laptop--RESOLVED
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Did a little testing, did a little thinking?

First, I verified that the audio output from the KX2 was working; it drove a pair of headphones just fine.

Then I verified that the external mic input to the computer was working; I connected a real microphone and was able to record audio using Audacity.

Then I thought about it, and realized that the KX2 output is STEREO, whereas the computer mic input is MONO. So I tried a MONO 3.5mm cable instead of the stereo cable, and voila! Audio going from the KX2 to the computer, verified by making a couple of FT8 contacts.

Thanks to all that responded.

FYI, this is a real minimal configuration. The ?computer? is an Asus Transformer, 1 lb tablet running Windows 10, and the radio is a KX2. I can carry the whole shebang in one hand. Plan to use this with a Buddistick from French Polynesia, going to Moorea and Bora Bora next year. Probably won?t be able to work many NA with only QRP and a Buddistick, but I?ll see what I can do.

Rich KE1B


> On Sep 14, 2018, at 8:58 AM, Jack Brindle <jackbrindle at me.com> wrote:
> 
> Hey Rich!
> 
> What make of computer? Is the port selected for input? If a Mac, the normal selection would be the internal microphone, so you would need to go into the System Preferences/sound panel => Input tabard select the external microphone port.
> Interesting that my MacBook Pro doesn?t show such a port, so I?m not really sure what it takes to get it to show up.
> 
> You also posted to the N1MM list, so I suspect you are using a Windows machine. I can?t help you there, but look for some sort of input port sound selection.
> 
> Hope you get the issue solved quickly!
> 
> 73,
> Jack, W6FB
> 
> 
>> On Sep 14, 2018, at 8:48 AM, ke1b at richseifert.com wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> I am trying to connect a KX2 (which has a standard headphone output and microphone input on separate 3.5mm jacks) to a laptop that has an integrated (4 pin TRRS) microphone input and sound output. I have the adapter than converts the 4-pin 3.5 mm jack to two separate jacks, for a microphone input (to the laptop) and sound out (from the laptop). I connected those jacks to the corresponding jacks on the KX2, using stereo cables. This is the exact configuration as shown in Frank Cady?s KX2 book.
>> 
>> On transmit, everything works fine. I can key the radio from N1MM, send CW (via KY commands), and send digital data (e.g., FT8) to the radio and the radio transmits everything fine. All levels can be adjusted to perfection.
>> 
>> On receive, I?ve got nada. I can?t see any audio coming from the radio into the laptop. If I disconnect the external input, I can actually decode digital data with audio from the radio?s speaker, through the air, to the laptop?s internal microphone. Now, I can deal with the differences in levels, if necessary, but I?m not getting ANY audio from the radio to the laptop via the cabling. What am I missing? I?m hoping to make this work without lots of little adapter boxes, USB hubs, external codecs, etc. for very-portable operation.
>> 

From dj0qn at gmx.de  Fri Sep 14 13:16:58 2018
From: dj0qn at gmx.de (Mitch Wolfson DJ0QN / K7DX)
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2018 13:16:58 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] -Remote Rig "standard" with K3 and K3/0 mini
In-Reply-To: <CAPWatMDVQCc-7QmwXQp0K1kg+h7MEEDqzkR0AA2fkOuM6h30YQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Craig,

All RemoteRig RRC's are the same. Only the jumpers/straps inside need to 
be set and the correct cabling and programming used (see handbook).

73,
Mitch DJ0QN / K7DX

-- 
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On 14.09.2018 12:20, Craig Jungers wrote:
> A friend of mine has the RRC-1258MkIIs "standard" pair and wants to sell it
> to me but I have a K3 and a K3/0-mini and there is a "twin" that Elecraft
> and RemoteRigs sells for those.
>
> Will the "standard" still work ok?
>
> tks de K7EXJ
> Craig
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From ke1b at richseifert.com  Fri Sep 14 13:51:51 2018
From: ke1b at richseifert.com (ke1b at richseifert.com)
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2018 10:51:51 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Connecting a KX2 to a Laptop--RESOLVED
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> On Sep 14, 2018, at 9:57 AM, Brad Noblet <bnoblet at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Rich - For older iPhones with an 1/8? headset jack, you needed to put a 2k resistor to ground on the mic pin for the iPhone to enable audio input.  This may be true for Mac laptops mic inputs as well.  So if your KX2 has audio out with nothing connected, you might try that.  As the mic jack has DC on it to power the microphone it assumes you?re plugging in, you?ll obviously need to capacitively couple your audio source.  The 2k resistor draws the DC current to fake out the Mac into believing you plugged in a mic.  I shot 2 days trying to track this down when it happened to me.  
> 

Now that I have a *working* configuration (with a simple mono cable), I may optimize it by making a cable that takes the two stereo outputs from the KX2, puts a series R-C combination on each (a few hundred ohms and a microfarad or more, to block the DC), and then ties them together to a mono plug. That should work and keep everyone (the computer and the KX2) happy.

Rich KE1B



From dubinse at aol.com  Fri Sep 14 14:06:31 2018
From: dubinse at aol.com (Stephen Dubin)
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2018 14:06:31 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Craziest / most rewarding QSOs
Message-ID: <165d9434fd1-1ec5-2078@webjas-vae111.srv.aolmail.net>

Rather apropos to the current season, I remember a particularly rewarding QSO that I had a couple of years ago during a severe linear windstorm (derecho?). Our mains power had been out for about 18 hours. I fired  up my KX1 (on internal batteries, it reported a mighty 1.8 watts into my OCF up 15' on 20 m.) at about 20:00. My CQ call was answered by a gentlemen in Ohio who identified himself as a clergy person. After comforting me with compliments about how good my signal was, he ended the QSO by wishing me, "May God richly bless you and give you light." About 15 seconds, the lights came back on.

VY 73 de W3UEC (Steve Dubin)


From mike.flowers at gmail.com  Fri Sep 14 14:41:42 2018
From: mike.flowers at gmail.com (Mike Flowers)
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2018 11:41:42 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Craziest / most rewarding QSOs
Message-ID: <070801d44c5a$95144c10$bf3ce430$@gmail.com>

For me it was working VK0TH, Trevor, on Macquarie Island on PSK31.   My yagi
was down for repairs, so all I had was a 20M dipole as a sloper with the
high end at about 20'.   20m was 'dead', or so I thought, then his trace
appeared.   He came back to my first call.   Amazing!!   I was only running
30W.

 

His QSL card arrived a few weeks later.  My only confirmed VK0 QSO.

 

- 73 and good DX de Mike,  <http://www.qrz.com/db/k6mkf/> K6MKF, Past
President -  <http://ncdxc.org/index.html> NCDXC 

 


From n8sbe at arrl.net  Fri Sep 14 14:45:18 2018
From: n8sbe at arrl.net (Dave New, N8SBE)
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2018 11:45:18 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Craziest / most rewarding QSOs
Message-ID: <20180914114518.1fa1e31b6b6b329ecc65be958babcc1f.75ea49708b.wbe@email09.godaddy.com>

"You always remember your first." :-)

My first DX contact as a 16-yr old Novice in August of 1970, was on 15
meter CW (rockbound of course, I still have the 3rd-overtone 7 MHz
crystal) with LU2DAW, an Argentinian who turned out to be a retired
railroad radio operator, who had done CW professionally for most of his
life.  He must have been VERY patient with my brand-new shaky 5 WPM CW
fist.

I used a borrowed Knight Kit T-60 transmitter, a Hallicrafters SX-99U
receiver with outboard Heathkit Q-Multiplier, a Dow-key antenna relay,
and a 'horizontal' inverted vee antenna in my parent's L-shaped attic. 
My Morse key was a Radio Shack black plastic special, screwed to a piece
of fiberboard.

I treasure the QSL card to this day.

73,

-- Dave, N8SBE (approaching 50 yrs licensed in 2020)

From n6kr at elecraft.com  Fri Sep 14 14:46:34 2018
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2018 11:46:34 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Great QSOs, 21st century
Message-ID: <78210125-1496-4A92-AB0B-93B3EAC42467@elecraft.com>

Wow! Thanks for the nostalgic RF trip, everyone. Seriously...great stories. 

Moving forward in time a bit, I wanted to note that RF miracles continue to happen every day. (Well, most weekends in my case.) Last Saturday?s physics-be-damned results: several solid SSB QSOs on 20 and 17 meters all over the country, including KH6, with a prototype AX1 dual-band whip and a KX2 used HT style. 

What I need is an alarm app for my iPhone that tells me that HF conditions are hot and it?s time to get out of the shack. Ring tone of choice: first four bars of ?Born to be Wild?. 

Is it just me, or is there something life-changing about a noise level of S0? It?s just a short drive away, even in Silicon Valley. 

Wayne
N6KR

From mlmurrah at mac.com  Fri Sep 14 15:04:12 2018
From: mlmurrah at mac.com (Lee Murrah)
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2018 14:04:12 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Craziest / most rewarding QSOs
Message-ID: <FDE2BA39-1AED-4EE0-ACBB-28E6C912511A@mac.com>

In the late 1970s my wife and I came home from a party about midnight.  I decided to listen to the ham bands a bit, and I heard a call from Guyana.  I called and worked them. We later exchanged QSL cards.

Several years later while driving to work I suddenly remembered the QSO and the events that had happened since.

I rushed home and dug out the QSL card.  There is was. PEOPLES TEMPLE AGRICULTURAL PROJECT.  I had worked the station associated wit the Jim Jones settlement whose residents later committed mass suicide.

Not rewarding, but definitely crazy.

From nick at n6ol.us  Fri Sep 14 16:24:20 2018
From: nick at n6ol.us (Nicklas Johnson)
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2018 13:24:20 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Vocal Cord Bias + SSB PEP
Message-ID: <CA+ZptLmaMQY+Fbhd1n-bdbYg1SwYG2Qqg0r8ZJhp_MEfdue=1Q@mail.gmail.com>

An audio engineering friend noticed in some voiceover recordings something
that I've also noticed in my own waveforms, that a lot of the time, human
vocal cords seem to produce a biased waveform (seemingly a positive bias
most of the time).

I vaguely remember reading either here on this list, or maybe in QST,
something about this as it relates to setting microphone gain (and bias) so
that the resulting modulated signal is making more efficient (I'm probably
not remembering the right word) use of the available amplitude (ie, not
hitting the peak early on the positive side, but falling well below it on
the negative side).
My Google-foo isn't working out for me today though; does anyone remember
an article or posting on this topic and/or have a link to it?  I haven't
been able to track it down again.

   Nick


-- 
*N6OL*
Saying something doesn't make it true.  Belief in something doesn't make it
real. And if you have to lie to support a position, that position is not
worth supporting.

From wunder at wunderwood.org  Fri Sep 14 16:38:28 2018
From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood)
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2018 13:38:28 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Vocal Cord Bias + SSB PEP
In-Reply-To: <CA+ZptLmaMQY+Fbhd1n-bdbYg1SwYG2Qqg0r8ZJhp_MEfdue=1Q@mail.gmail.com>
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I searched for ?asymmetrical speech waveforms? and found this.

"The other element involved in this is that many acoustic sources inherently have a 'positive air pressure bias' because of the way the sound is generated. To talk or sing, we have to breathe out, and to play a trumpet, we have to blow air through the tubing. So, in these examples, there is inherently more energy available for the compression side of the sound wave than there is for the rarefaction side, and that can also contribute to an asymmetrical waveform."

https://www.soundonsound.com/sound-advice/q-why-do-waveforms-sometimes-look-lop-sided

wunder
K6WRU
Walter Underwood
CM87wj
http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog)

> On Sep 14, 2018, at 1:24 PM, Nicklas Johnson <nick at n6ol.us> wrote:
> 
> An audio engineering friend noticed in some voiceover recordings something
> that I've also noticed in my own waveforms, that a lot of the time, human
> vocal cords seem to produce a biased waveform (seemingly a positive bias
> most of the time).
> 
> I vaguely remember reading either here on this list, or maybe in QST,
> something about this as it relates to setting microphone gain (and bias) so
> that the resulting modulated signal is making more efficient (I'm probably
> not remembering the right word) use of the available amplitude (ie, not
> hitting the peak early on the positive side, but falling well below it on
> the negative side).
> My Google-foo isn't working out for me today though; does anyone remember
> an article or posting on this topic and/or have a link to it?  I haven't
> been able to track it down again.
> 
>   Nick
> -- 
> *N6OL*
> Saying something doesn't make it true.  Belief in something doesn't make it


From nick at n6ol.us  Fri Sep 14 16:43:35 2018
From: nick at n6ol.us (Nicklas Johnson)
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2018 13:43:35 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Vocal Cord Bias + SSB PEP
In-Reply-To: <57AE7841-9A54-41A4-A654-9A81B8504137@wunderwood.org>
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	<57AE7841-9A54-41A4-A654-9A81B8504137@wunderwood.org>
Message-ID: <CA+ZptLnu7qNjCZ+ruVPaJYqNJewE6FQZWYMbna+s9m=n+jVZAg@mail.gmail.com>

Perfect, I was just not using the right terms in my search.  This explains
it very well, and even includes some discussion of how this can cause
amplification to start clipping on one side of the waveform before the
other.

Thank you!

   Nick

On 14 September 2018 at 13:38, Walter Underwood <wunder at wunderwood.org>
wrote:

> I searched for ?asymmetrical speech waveforms? and found this.
>
> "The other element involved in this is that many acoustic sources
> inherently have a 'positive air pressure bias' because of the way the sound
> is generated. To talk or sing, we have to breathe out, and to play a
> trumpet, we have to blow air through the tubing. So, in these examples,
> there is inherently more energy available for the compression side of the
> sound wave than there is for the rarefaction side, and that can also
> contribute to an asymmetrical waveform."
>
> https://www.soundonsound.com/sound-advice/q-why-do-
> waveforms-sometimes-look-lop-sided
>
> wunder
> K6WRU
> Walter Underwood
> CM87wj
> http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog)
>
> On Sep 14, 2018, at 1:24 PM, Nicklas Johnson <nick at n6ol.us> wrote:
>
> An audio engineering friend noticed in some voiceover recordings something
> that I've also noticed in my own waveforms, that a lot of the time, human
> vocal cords seem to produce a biased waveform (seemingly a positive bias
> most of the time).
>
> I vaguely remember reading either here on this list, or maybe in QST,
> something about this as it relates to setting microphone gain (and bias) so
> that the resulting modulated signal is making more efficient (I'm probably
> not remembering the right word) use of the available amplitude (ie, not
> hitting the peak early on the positive side, but falling well below it on
> the negative side).
> My Google-foo isn't working out for me today though; does anyone remember
> an article or posting on this topic and/or have a link to it?  I haven't
> been able to track it down again.
>
>   Nick
> --
> *N6OL*
> Saying something doesn't make it true.  Belief in something doesn't make it
>
>
>


-- 
*N6OL*
Saying something doesn't make it true.  Belief in something doesn't make it
real. And if you have to lie to support a position, that position is not
worth supporting.

From n7xy at n7xy.net  Fri Sep 14 17:01:12 2018
From: n7xy at n7xy.net (Bob Nielsen - N7XY)
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2018 14:01:12 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Craziest / most rewarding QSOs
In-Reply-To: <20180914114518.1fa1e31b6b6b329ecc65be958babcc1f.75ea49708b.wbe@email09.godaddy.com>
References: <20180914114518.1fa1e31b6b6b329ecc65be958babcc1f.75ea49708b.wbe@email09.godaddy.com>
Message-ID: <958e4a95-26ea-405c-4dd7-2237875d79de@n7xy.net>

The most rewarding QSO I DIDN'T have:

A few sunspot cycles ago I tuned around 10 meters from my then-QTH in 
California.? The ONLY signal I could hear on the entire band was from a 
beacon station on Reunion Island, very copyable.

73, Bob N7XY

From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Fri Sep 14 17:13:29 2018
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2018 16:13:29 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Vocal Cord Bias + SSB PEP
In-Reply-To: <CA+ZptLmaMQY+Fbhd1n-bdbYg1SwYG2Qqg0r8ZJhp_MEfdue=1Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+ZptLmaMQY+Fbhd1n-bdbYg1SwYG2Qqg0r8ZJhp_MEfdue=1Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5ae9ce49-08a0-5f66-2082-b9fdc29076cc@blomand.net>

 From my AM broadcast days and my pro audio days, yes it is not unusual 
to find that a given mike has more positive output than negative output 
in terms of the voltage waveform.? Thus if phased correctly, and we are 
only using one mike, the positive modulation peaks will be greater than 
the negative modulation peaks.? There is advantage to this with regard 
to AM stations.??? At the same time, when multiple mikes are used then 
they all must be "in phase" in order to prevent a comb effect of 
frequency cancellation.? It is standard convention that a positive 
pressure on the mike diaphragm, then amplified to the speaker system 
causes the cone of the speaker to move forward or compress the air into 
the room.? Positive pressure thus causes positive pressure.?? Some 
audiophiles claim they can hear the difference.?? The jury is still out 
on that point.

 From a SSB point of view, it starts basically a modulated carrier, i.e. 
AM, which then has the carrier suppressed by the balanced modulator, and 
then one sideband removed by passing the DSB signal through a sharp and 
steep side filter to produce SSB.?? Hence, then one can theoretically 
attain more positive modulation than negative. ? Don't confuse amplitude 
energy with frequency spectrum energy. ?? At the same time, in a SSB 
transmitter, excessive audio can over modulate the carrier, before 
carrier suppression and before the sideband filter, and the same effect 
as over modulating an AM transmitter will exist.? Distortion and 
splatter. ?? Look at the opposite sideband of a signal on the air while 
using a SDR or spectrum display.? Clearly some signals will show these 
artifacts while others do not exhibit the artifact.

Final rule, except in a SSB transmitter the positive output is limited 
by the available capacity of the amplification stages which must remain 
linear.? In the SSB world,? maximum PEP value capability is the 
ceiling.? On the other hand, in an AM transmitter, the modulation must 
be limited to 100% negative so as not to cut the carrier, but can be 
allowed to exceed 100% positive, in fact upwards of 125% to 135% is 
quite normal, as long as the transmitter is capable of handling the 
increased positive peaks without distortion.?? Makes for "loud" AM 
stations.? And of course there are "processors" which control the 
negative going values while enhancing the level of the positive going 
values in order to enhance the modulation. ? Of course if the hams AM 
transmitter is not capable of 135% positive modulation, splatter and 
distortion would be generated making for unfriendly neighbors near the 
frequency.

Oh my, this is a lot more than I care to recall.

73
Bob, K4TAX







On 9/14/2018 3:24 PM, Nicklas Johnson wrote:
> An audio engineering friend noticed in some voiceover recordings something
> that I've also noticed in my own waveforms, that a lot of the time, human
> vocal cords seem to produce a biased waveform (seemingly a positive bias
> most of the time).
>
> I vaguely remember reading either here on this list, or maybe in QST,
> something about this as it relates to setting microphone gain (and bias) so
> that the resulting modulated signal is making more efficient (I'm probably
> not remembering the right word) use of the available amplitude (ie, not
> hitting the peak early on the positive side, but falling well below it on
> the negative side).
> My Google-foo isn't working out for me today though; does anyone remember
> an article or posting on this topic and/or have a link to it?  I haven't
> been able to track it down again.
>
>     Nick
>
>



From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Fri Sep 14 17:27:46 2018
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2018 16:27:46 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Craziest / most rewarding QSOs
In-Reply-To: <958e4a95-26ea-405c-4dd7-2237875d79de@n7xy.net>
References: <20180914114518.1fa1e31b6b6b329ecc65be958babcc1f.75ea49708b.wbe@email09.godaddy.com>
	<958e4a95-26ea-405c-4dd7-2237875d79de@n7xy.net>
Message-ID: <0bffbb09-3b1c-3431-7ae6-062cad657ee4@blomand.net>

Mine was the first time I transmitted my call with the antenna array 
aimed at the moon, switched to receive, adjusted the VFO frequency a 
bit, and heard my own call come back.?? Yep, some 2.56 seconds delay, a 
frequency shift of about -200 Hz due to Doppler, and from a distance of? 
239,000 miles one way, or 478,000 miles round trip.?? Sweet!?? Then much 
later and as the station improved, on SSB I transmitted "HELLO MOON", 
switched to receive and tweaked the VFO a bit and heard "HELLO MOON" 
come from the receiver.?? I suppose one could consider this somewhat of 
a 2 way QSO with myself.?? One other occurred while working a station 
about 250 miles away on VHF and via EME.??? I heard his tropo signal, 
and then his moon signal, shifted in time and frequency. And likewise he 
heard mine.? Now would this be considered one QSO or two??? With my 59 
years of ham radio in my log, I still find ham radio fun and enjoyable. 
 ? Much thanks to Elecraft today, and the friends I've made along the way.

73

Bob, K4TAX




From kq8m at kq8m.com  Fri Sep 14 17:31:08 2018
From: kq8m at kq8m.com (kq8m at kq8m.com)
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2018 17:31:08 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Craziest / most rewarding QSOs
In-Reply-To: <958e4a95-26ea-405c-4dd7-2237875d79de@n7xy.net>
References: <20180914114518.1fa1e31b6b6b329ecc65be958babcc1f.75ea49708b.wbe@email09.godaddy.com>
	<958e4a95-26ea-405c-4dd7-2237875d79de@n7xy.net>
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAJYHBT4PybpNnpOy6DHA0yfCgAAAEAAAACdB0SyXm6pFih/se3ogvTkBAAAAAA==@kq8m.com>

Two of my craziest were:

Going to 80 one evening 2 hours before sunset and working VQ9QM. He even made a note on the card to express his surprise to work the US at that time. And the funny thing is no one else called him from the US. He went back to running EU which I could not hear.

Sitting on 10 meters with the idea that the expedition to KH1 (SM0AGD/KH1) would be on at a certain time and they would transmit on 28595. Right about the time I figured they would be there so I called them a couple times and he came back then went split.

Strangest QSL I ever received was a coconut. Yes an actual coconut that was sent via USPS and NOT packaged. Everything was pasted right to the coconut. That came from my old friend KH6ML.

73
Tim, KQ8M
kq8m at kq8m.com

-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Bob Nielsen - N7XY
Sent: Friday, September 14, 2018 17:01
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Craziest / most rewarding QSOs

The most rewarding QSO I DIDN'T have:

A few sunspot cycles ago I tuned around 10 meters from my then-QTH in 
California.  The ONLY signal I could hear on the entire band was from a 
beacon station on Reunion Island, very copyable.

73, Bob N7XY
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From farrerfolks at yahoo.com  Fri Sep 14 17:34:26 2018
From: farrerfolks at yahoo.com (Mel Farrer)
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2018 21:34:26 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] Craziest / most rewarding QSOs
In-Reply-To: <958e4a95-26ea-405c-4dd7-2237875d79de@n7xy.net>
References: <20180914114518.1fa1e31b6b6b329ecc65be958babcc1f.75ea49708b.wbe@email09.godaddy.com>
	<958e4a95-26ea-405c-4dd7-2237875d79de@n7xy.net>
Message-ID: <452215107.5605766.1536960866047@mail.yahoo.com>

Back in the "good" days of sunspot 1957-58, and me a new ham and could only afford a Heath Kit Sixer.? So, I put a ground plane vertical up and while I lived on the Pacific coast, I could hear a? lot of local Pacific coast stations.? Now while the Sixer was good at local QSO's, how about now with the band wide open.? ? Remember these were the days of crystal bound transmitters and wideband super regen receivers.? ?I heard a station calling CQ in an oriental voice and I called and called.? Then I heard my call sign, WOW.? I worked a JA on 6 meters with 1/2 watt AM.? ? ? ?First real DX for the new ham.
Mel, K6KBE

      From: Bob Nielsen - N7XY <n7xy at n7xy.net>
 To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net 
 Sent: Friday, September 14, 2018 2:03 PM
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Craziest / most rewarding QSOs
   
The most rewarding QSO I DIDN'T have:

A few sunspot cycles ago I tuned around 10 meters from my then-QTH in 
California.? The ONLY signal I could hear on the entire band was from a 
beacon station on Reunion Island, very copyable.

73, Bob N7XY
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From w4nz at comcast.net  Fri Sep 14 17:48:50 2018
From: w4nz at comcast.net (Ted Bryant)
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2018 17:48:50 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Craziest / most rewarding QSOs
Message-ID: <009601d44c74$b98e8730$2cab9590$@comcast.net>

I have one wall of my shack covered with QSL cards from all over the world.
One particular card is from 7Q7AA in Malawi for a QSO in 1971.  Many of you
may have worked him.  One day I just happened to pay attention to the small
print at the bottom of the card.  It noted the operator:  B. J. "Tony"
Martin W4FOA.  As it turns out, Tony W4FOA whom I have known for years, is a
member of our local Tennessee Valley DX Association.  I knew Tony had been
active from several places in Africa when he worked for the government but
never associated him with that call sign.  I took the card to one of our
meetings and we had a great conversation about his days in 7Q7.

I sometimes forget how small this hobby often makes our world.

73, Ted W4NZ


From wes_n7ws at triconet.org  Fri Sep 14 18:09:57 2018
From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes Stewart)
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2018 15:09:57 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Craziest / most rewarding QSOs
In-Reply-To: <009601d44c74$b98e8730$2cab9590$@comcast.net>
References: <009601d44c74$b98e8730$2cab9590$@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <41e48d2a-fe83-30fe-5fc1-8697dc2926e0@triconet.org>

I have his card for a 10 meter QSO on 5 March 1972 (my dad's 65th birthday).

Wes? N7WS


.? On 9/14/2018 2:48 PM, Ted Bryant wrote:
> I have one wall of my shack covered with QSL cards from all over the world.
> One particular card is from 7Q7AA in Malawi for a QSO in 1971.  Many of you
> may have worked him.  One day I just happened to pay attention to the small
> print at the bottom of the card.  It noted the operator:  B. J. "Tony"
> Martin W4FOA.  As it turns out, Tony W4FOA whom I have known for years, is a
> member of our local Tennessee Valley DX Association.  I knew Tony had been
> active from several places in Africa when he worked for the government but
> never associated him with that call sign.  I took the card to one of our
> meetings and we had a great conversation about his days in 7Q7.
>
> I sometimes forget how small this hobby often makes our world.
>
> 73, Ted W4NZ
>


From k6dgw at foothill.net  Fri Sep 14 18:17:14 2018
From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen)
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2018 15:17:14 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Craziest / most rewarding QSOs
In-Reply-To: <0bffbb09-3b1c-3431-7ae6-062cad657ee4@blomand.net>
References: <20180914114518.1fa1e31b6b6b329ecc65be958babcc1f.75ea49708b.wbe@email09.godaddy.com>
	<958e4a95-26ea-405c-4dd7-2237875d79de@n7xy.net>
	<0bffbb09-3b1c-3431-7ae6-062cad657ee4@blomand.net>
Message-ID: <e2f136f5-1fda-0634-ec48-c4505bd36409@foothill.net>

While many people talk to themselves, most do it privately and not in a 
setting where half of the planet can hear them. [:-)

73,

Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

On 9/14/2018 2:27 PM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote:
> Mine was the first time I transmitted my call with the antenna array 
> aimed at the moon, switched to receive, adjusted the VFO frequency a 
> bit, and heard my own call come back.?? Yep, some 2.56 seconds delay, 
> a frequency shift of about -200 Hz due to Doppler, and from a distance 
> of? 239,000 miles one way, or 478,000 miles round trip.?? Sweet!?? 
> Then much later and as the station improved, on SSB I transmitted 
> "HELLO MOON", switched to receive and tweaked the VFO a bit and heard 
> "HELLO MOON" come from the receiver.?? I suppose one could consider 
> this somewhat of a 2 way QSO with myself.?? One other occurred while 
> working a station about 250 miles away on VHF and via EME.??? I heard 
> his tropo signal, and then his moon signal, shifted in time and 
> frequency. And likewise he heard mine.? Now would this be considered 
> one QSO or two? With my 59 years of ham radio in my log, I still find 
> ham radio fun and enjoyable. ? Much thanks to Elecraft today, and the 
> friends I've made along the way.
>
> 73
>
> Bob, K4TAX


From wes_n7ws at triconet.org  Fri Sep 14 18:18:19 2018
From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes Stewart)
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2018 15:18:19 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Craziest / most rewarding QSOs
In-Reply-To: <0bffbb09-3b1c-3431-7ae6-062cad657ee4@blomand.net>
References: <20180914114518.1fa1e31b6b6b329ecc65be958babcc1f.75ea49708b.wbe@email09.godaddy.com>
	<958e4a95-26ea-405c-4dd7-2237875d79de@n7xy.net>
	<0bffbb09-3b1c-3431-7ae6-062cad657ee4@blomand.net>
Message-ID: <d6318ad5-bb82-be93-fb9b-0a7d982e59ca@triconet.org>

My first time hearing my echos was pretty thrilling too.? So was working W5LFL 
in Columbia and having him say, "N7WS, the loudest signal we've heard in the 
spacecraft" and then later getting to meet him in person.

Wes? N7WS

 ?On 9/14/2018 2:27 PM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote:
> Mine was the first time I transmitted my call with the antenna array aimed at 
> the moon, switched to receive, adjusted the VFO frequency a bit, and heard my 
> own call come back.?? Yep, some 2.56 seconds delay, a frequency shift of about 
> -200 Hz due to Doppler, and from a distance of? 239,000 miles one way, or 
> 478,000 miles round trip.?? Sweet!?? Then much later and as the station 
> improved, on SSB I transmitted "HELLO MOON", switched to receive and tweaked 
> the VFO a bit and heard "HELLO MOON" come from the receiver.?? I suppose one 
> could consider this somewhat of a 2 way QSO with myself.?? One other occurred 
> while working a station about 250 miles away on VHF and via EME.??? I heard 
> his tropo signal, and then his moon signal, shifted in time and frequency. And 
> likewise he heard mine.? Now would this be considered one QSO or two? With my 
> 59 years of ham radio in my log, I still find ham radio fun and enjoyable. ? 
> Much thanks to Elecraft today, and the friends I've made along the way.
>
> 73
>
> Bob, K4TAX


From nr4c at widomaker.com  Fri Sep 14 18:23:35 2018
From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c)
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2018 18:23:35 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 MIC socket
In-Reply-To: <CAKLNW1oZ6UP+eAE6U0220pa7wTmuFyXgA1Ft4aoNBJ9=QBXbrA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKLNW1oZ6UP+eAE6U0220pa7wTmuFyXgA1Ft4aoNBJ9=QBXbrA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <FD0CBA93-6913-467F-B4FD-B88538661E1E@widomaker.com>

It?s a 3.5 MM TRRS jack. 

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill


> On Sep 9, 2018, at 7:23 PM, Mike Flowers <mike.flowers at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Folks,
> 
> What size is the MIC socket on the side of a KX3?  It appears to me to be
> larger than a 3.5 mm socket.
> 
> I'm getting a new-to-me KX3 here on Monday and want to be prepared.
> 
> Thanks for your help.
> 
> *73 de Mike, K6MKF - Director & Past President, NCDXC*
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From nr4c at widomaker.com  Fri Sep 14 18:29:39 2018
From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c)
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2018 18:29:39 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] Internal clock delay
In-Reply-To: <1536263348756-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1536263348756-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <2AEF67FE-73CB-481B-A341-259B2C22D5EE@widomaker.com>

Might not hurt to replace it. Bout time!

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill


> On Sep 6, 2018, at 3:49 PM, Petr, OK1RP/M0SIS <indians at xsmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi, 
> 
> sorry for stupid question. 
> 
> The internal clock seems to delaying for couple of mins during few months on
> my K3 (built mid 2008). 
> 
> Does it means that an internal battery cell life in my K3 is ending?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----
> 73 - Petr, OK1RP 
> "Apple & Elecraft freak" 
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From nr4c at widomaker.com  Fri Sep 14 18:22:17 2018
From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c)
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2018 18:22:17 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] searching for post by Wayne n6kr about counterpoise
In-Reply-To: <1201e0a0-2f4a-b2a5-4f5c-cbf8b9fcc32c@att.net>
References: <703522120.10144.1536292659639@connect.xfinity.com>
	<1201e0a0-2f4a-b2a5-4f5c-cbf8b9fcc32c@att.net>
Message-ID: <66B7D8A8-E283-4C2D-8961-77A0D91FC485@widomaker.com>

Lay it on the ground. 

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill


> On Sep 8, 2018, at 9:50 AM, Tom McCulloch <thom2 at att.net> wrote:
> 
> This is probably NOT what you are looking for but it's about random length antennas...it goes back to Jan 29, 2017.
> 
> hope this helps:
> 
> I'd call an ad-hoc antenna that works on multiple bands with an ATU a "Kinda-Random Antenna" (KRA). (Apologies to linguistic purists.)
> 
> A simplified definition might be:
> 
>  A. long enough to work within the maximum limits of the ATU's L-network on the lowest band used
>  B. presents a reasonably low impedance on all bands used (e.g., doesn't look like an end-fed half-wave)
> 
> ATUs have limited monotonicity and granularity, as well as stray impedances, so in practice there is a third criteria:
> 
>  C. tunable on each band used despite specific L-network idiosyncrasies
> 
> This third criteria is the hardest one to predict for a given ATU design, as the idiosyncrasies vary with PCB layout and actual component values. They may only impact the highest bands, or for a particular antenna, the bands on which Q is the highest. For our ATU designs, we try to minimize strays and keep the network monotonic by using tightly toleranced capacitors and toroidal inductors.
> 
> While a wide range of wire lengths will meet the requirements of a "KRA" in the field, we've found from experience that something in the 25'-28' range works on all bands from 40 meters up, and roughly twice this for 80 meters up. Since it's impossible to predict the effect of ground losses, obstructions, deployed wire angles, etc., you may occasionally need to add or remove wire to obtain resonance on all bands used.
> 
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR
> 
> 
> Tom
> 
> WB2QDG
> 
> K@ 1103
> 
> 
>> On 9/6/2018 11:57 PM, JEROME SODUS wrote:
>> Hello,
>> 
>> 
>> I want to re-read a post that Wayne n6kr made about a wire-antenna tossed up a tree and the location of a counterpoise; this was relative to portable operating a kx2 or kx3, if I recall correctly.
>> 
>> 
>> But my archive search has come up empty.
>> 
>> 
>> My recollection is he recommended placing the counterpoise in a direction opposite to the wire-antenna.
>> 
>> I need to verify that recollection.
>> 
>> Hopefully someone has saved that post.
>> 
>> TIA for any help.
>> 
>> 73 Jerry km3k
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From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Fri Sep 14 19:21:26 2018
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2018 18:21:26 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Craziest / most rewarding QSOs
In-Reply-To: <e2f136f5-1fda-0634-ec48-c4505bd36409@foothill.net>
References: <20180914114518.1fa1e31b6b6b329ecc65be958babcc1f.75ea49708b.wbe@email09.godaddy.com>
	<958e4a95-26ea-405c-4dd7-2237875d79de@n7xy.net>
	<0bffbb09-3b1c-3431-7ae6-062cad657ee4@blomand.net>
	<e2f136f5-1fda-0634-ec48-c4505bd36409@foothill.net>
Message-ID: <EC124B01-0AA6-44A5-AD01-8DAB182D43D6@blomand.net>

I've never indicated I was of sound mind.  

Bob, K4TAX


Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 14, 2018, at 5:17 PM, Fred Jensen <k6dgw at foothill.net> wrote:
> 
> While many people talk to themselves, most do it privately and not in a setting where half of the planet can hear them. [:-)
> 
> 73,
> 
> Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
> Sparks NV DM09dn
> Washoe County
> 
>> On 9/14/2018 2:27 PM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote:
>> Mine was the first time I transmitted my call with the antenna array aimed at the moon, switched to receive, adjusted the VFO frequency a bit, and heard my own call come back.   Yep, some 2.56 seconds delay, a frequency shift of about -200 Hz due to Doppler, and from a distance of  239,000 miles one way, or 478,000 miles round trip.   Sweet!   Then much later and as the station improved, on SSB I transmitted "HELLO MOON", switched to receive and tweaked the VFO a bit and heard "HELLO MOON" come from the receiver.   I suppose one could consider this somewhat of a 2 way QSO with myself.   One other occurred while working a station about 250 miles away on VHF and via EME.    I heard his tropo signal, and then his moon signal, shifted in time and frequency. And likewise he heard mine.  Now would this be considered one QSO or two? With my 59 years of ham radio in my log, I still find ham radio fun and enjoyable.   Much thanks to Elecraft today, and the friends I've made along the way.
>> 
>> 73
>> 
>> Bob, K4TAX
> 
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From ae0mm at protonmail.com  Fri Sep 14 20:37:08 2018
From: ae0mm at protonmail.com (AE0MM)
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2018 00:37:08 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 minor build caveat: C135 in the transmitter area
In-Reply-To: <CABMnSbGeiF8NkWqusO3LfpUmioVe2KsnTMuAWgpz1y1hv_L3iw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABMnSbGeiF8NkWqusO3LfpUmioVe2KsnTMuAWgpz1y1hv_L3iw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1dMFm8hFJ_8PwyoJb0we4Y6lkeBbmr70FPKm5_Pup9kT9U_ASW2KApHmojB4BcRAvWPVK3HPvKuqxPmfWmf6OC20pbpshHiWeZkWQECEmRc=@protonmail.com>

C135 on my K2 RF board sits 1.1mm higher than the 2d fastener. Is it safe shaving that much material off the capacitor body, or should I replace it with a different 103?

I'm one PA transistor away from being able to inspect, test, and align my K2; I don't want to do anything rash.


Thanks,
--mark/ae0mm



??????? Original Message ???????
On July 17, 2018 11:55 AM, Mark Petrovic <mspetrovic at gmail.com> wrote:

> I'm in the home stretch of building my K2, and wanted to point out
> something that might help others as they assemble the transmitter portion
> of the radio.
>
> C135 ("103"), which sits adjacent to the 2D heat sink fastener, needs to be
> installed as close to the board as possible. Check that it is lower than
> the 2D fastener, otherwise the heat sink panel may not make good contact
> with Q7 and Q8. My C135 sat a tiny bit higher than the 2D block; I ended
> up shaving a very thin layer of the capacitor body with a razor blade so
> that it cleared the 2D fastener.
>
> Mark
> AE6RT
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
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From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Fri Sep 14 20:49:41 2018
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2018 17:49:41 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Vocal Cord Bias + SSB PEP
In-Reply-To: <5ae9ce49-08a0-5f66-2082-b9fdc29076cc@blomand.net>
References: <CA+ZptLmaMQY+Fbhd1n-bdbYg1SwYG2Qqg0r8ZJhp_MEfdue=1Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<5ae9ce49-08a0-5f66-2082-b9fdc29076cc@blomand.net>
Message-ID: <a42f9ceb-8879-0d23-c27c-df6380c2db8c@audiosystemsgroup.com>

Yes, it's long been well known that real audio waveforms are 
asymmetrical. WAY back in the '50s, AM broadcasters used a device that 
constantly monitored the waveform and constantly flipped the polarity to 
keep the hottest peak so that it increased instantaneous TX power.? 
That's because with AM, distortion is created at carrier cutoff.? I 
remember building a negative peak clipper circuit back in the '50s.

Here's an AES paper by R A Greiner (and probably one of his EE students) 
that studied the audibility of absolute polarity (that is, the same 
polarity in the playback system as in the recording system).
http://www.aes.org/e-lib/browse.cfm?elib=6950 Several recording and 
sound engineers who were members of a professional organization called 
SynAudCon demonstrated that they could accurately tell by listening 
whether the polarity of a system was correct.

Note that we're NOT talking about polarity difference between channels 
of a stereo recording.

73, Jim K9YC

On 9/14/2018 2:13 PM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote:
> From my AM broadcast days and my pro audio days, yes it is not unusual 
> to find that a given mike has more positive output than negative 
> output in terms of the voltage waveform. 



From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Fri Sep 14 21:45:07 2018
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2018 21:45:07 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 minor build caveat: C135 in the transmitter area
In-Reply-To: <1dMFm8hFJ_8PwyoJb0we4Y6lkeBbmr70FPKm5_Pup9kT9U_ASW2KApHmojB4BcRAvWPVK3HPvKuqxPmfWmf6OC20pbpshHiWeZkWQECEmRc=@protonmail.com>
References: <CABMnSbGeiF8NkWqusO3LfpUmioVe2KsnTMuAWgpz1y1hv_L3iw@mail.gmail.com>
	<1dMFm8hFJ_8PwyoJb0we4Y6lkeBbmr70FPKm5_Pup9kT9U_ASW2KApHmojB4BcRAvWPVK3HPvKuqxPmfWmf6OC20pbpshHiWeZkWQECEmRc=@protonmail.com>
Message-ID: <b9bf5ab5-dc08-c89c-9b01-3957836fe257@embarqmail.com>

Mark,

The answer is "Maybe".

I have heard of some builders who have reduced the height of C135, but 
that is a risky situation, you may short the plates of the capacitor 
rendering it useless.
A better solution is to replace it with a capacitor that is smaller.
Do you have the KSB2 kit?  If so, there is a spare small 0.01 uF 
capacitor in that kit.  It has leads for .1 inch lead spacing, but 
spread them out so they will go into the holes in the RF board.

If you do not have the KSB2, but do have the KPA100, you can borrow one 
of those small capacitors from the KPA100 kit and order a replacement 
p/n E530019 - 0.01uF capacitor 0.1 inch lead spacing from 
parts at elecraft.com.

73,
Don W3FPR


On 9/14/2018 8:37 PM, AE0MM via Elecraft wrote:
> C135 on my K2 RF board sits 1.1mm higher than the 2d fastener. Is it safe shaving that much material off the capacitor body, or should I replace it with a different 103?
> 
> I'm one PA transistor away from being able to inspect, test, and align my K2; I don't want to do anything rash.
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> --mark/ae0mm
> 
> 
> 
> ??????? Original Message ???????
> On July 17, 2018 11:55 AM, Mark Petrovic <mspetrovic at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> I'm in the home stretch of building my K2, and wanted to point out
>> something that might help others as they assemble the transmitter portion
>> of the radio.
>>
>> C135 ("103"), which sits adjacent to the 2D heat sink fastener, needs to be
>> installed as close to the board as possible. Check that it is lower than
>> the 2D fastener, otherwise the heat sink panel may not make good contact
>> with Q7 and Q8. My C135 sat a tiny bit higher than the 2D block; I ended
>> up shaving a very thin layer of the capacitor body with a razor blade so
>> that it cleared the 2D fastener.
>>
>> Mark
>> AE6RT
>>
>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> Mark
>>
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From rfriess at usa.net  Fri Sep 14 23:38:01 2018
From: rfriess at usa.net (Robert Friess)
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2018 20:38:01 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] Great QSOs, 21st century
In-Reply-To: <1825229909.5239433.1536964411786@mail.yahoo.com>
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I received my Novice license in 1953 at the age of 11.  I had a NC101X
receiver that my dad bought for me at Henry Radio on Century Blvd in LA for
$60.  While waiting for what seemed like decades for my license to arrive,
I built a 6AG7 crystal oscillator  for my transmitter.  I had one crystal
at 7085.  My license finally arrived and I was officially KN6HMO.  I called
CQ endlessly and no one answered.  I set up schedules with a few locals a
few miles away and they heard me, but no one else.  A few weeks later
someone gave me a 815 dual tetrode.  I went through my junk box and found
enough parts to build an amplifier.  I tested it by listening on my
receiver to make sure that the output was tuned to 40 and not some
harmonic.  The sun went down and I started sending CQ.  A station in Texas
returned my call.  It was a thrill that hasn't been repeated in the
following  65 years.

Bob, N6CM

On Fri, Sep 14, 2018 at 6:29 PM Alan James alanmjames at yahoo.com [KX3] <
KX3-noreply at yahoogroups.com> wrote:

>
>
> I think it was Winston Churchill.
>
> Alan KZ6B
>
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* "Charles Powell doctorcwp at yahoo.com [KX3]" <
> KX3-noreply at yahoogroups.com>
> *To:* Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com>
> *Cc:* Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>; KX3 <KX3 at yahoogroups.com>
> *Sent:* Friday, September 14, 2018 3:37 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [KX3] Great QSOs, 21st century
>
>
> Well, S0 noise can be frightening because it makes one think the front end
> has gone out on the radio.  But then I?m always duped when the first CW
> signal comes in and blasts my ears out.
>
> Today: SFI=69 and SN=0 (yes ZERO), but NEVER let that keep you off the
> air.  I had some time this afternoon and managed to work Germany and France
> with 5 watts.  Had it not been for QRM, I would have had a nice rag chew
> with France.  Unfortunately the QRM kept stepping on my signal (I could
> hear him as well.)
>
> Other stations heard today include OJ0DX (Market Reef) and Kuwait.  Had
> the other stations been a little more patient, I?m sure I could have worked
> both.  I guess they thought they weren?t making enough contacts and moved
> on to other bands/modes.
>
> Never give up!  Never say die!  (Who knows the movie quote?)
>
> 72,
>
> Charles - NK8O
>
> On Sep 14, 2018, at 2:46 PM, Wayne Burdick n6kr at elecraft.com [KX3] <
> KX3-noreply at yahoogroups.com> wrote:
>
> Wow! Thanks for the nostalgic RF trip, everyone. Seriously...great stories.
>
>
> Moving forward in time a bit, I wanted to note that RF miracles continue
> to happen every day. (Well, most weekends in my case.) Last Saturday?s
> physics-be-damned results: several solid SSB QSOs on 20 and 17 meters all
> over the country, including KH6, with a prototype AX1 dual-band whip and a
> KX2 used HT style.
>
> What I need is an alarm app for my iPhone that tells me that HF conditions
> are hot and it?s time to get out of the shack. Ring tone of choice: first
> four bars of ?Born to be Wild?.
>
> Is it just me, or is there something life-changing about a noise level of
> S0? It?s just a short drive away, even in Silicon Valley.
>
> Wayne
> N6KR
>
>
>
>
> __._,_.___
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From n6kr at elecraft.com  Sat Sep 15 00:14:31 2018
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2018 21:14:31 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 minor build caveat: C135 in the transmitter area
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References: <CABMnSbGeiF8NkWqusO3LfpUmioVe2KsnTMuAWgpz1y1hv_L3iw@mail.gmail.com>
	<1dMFm8hFJ_8PwyoJb0we4Y6lkeBbmr70FPKm5_Pup9kT9U_ASW2KApHmojB4BcRAvWPVK3HPvKuqxPmfWmf6OC20pbpshHiWeZkWQECEmRc=@protonmail.com>
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All bottom-side components must be less than 0.25? in height so they don?t touch the inside of the bottom cover. You can fold parts over, but I would never, ever attempt to modify their height by removing material.  If you feel compelled to do that, better to just request a lower-profile replacement lower profile part from Elecraft.

Wayne
N6KR

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> On Sep 14, 2018, at 6:45 PM, Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Mark,
> 
> The answer is "Maybe".
> 
> I have heard of some builders who have reduced the height of C135, but that is a risky situation, you may short the plates of the capacitor rendering it useless.
> A better solution is to replace it with a capacitor that is smaller.
> Do you have the KSB2 kit?  If so, there is a spare small 0.01 uF capacitor in that kit.  It has leads for .1 inch lead spacing, but spread them out so they will go into the holes in the RF board.
> 
> If you do not have the KSB2, but do have the KPA100, you can borrow one of those small capacitors from the KPA100 kit and order a replacement p/n E530019 - 0.01uF capacitor 0.1 inch lead spacing from parts at elecraft.com.
> 
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
> 
> 
>> On 9/14/2018 8:37 PM, AE0MM via Elecraft wrote:
>> C135 on my K2 RF board sits 1.1mm higher than the 2d fastener. Is it safe shaving that much material off the capacitor body, or should I replace it with a different 103?
>> I'm one PA transistor away from being able to inspect, test, and align my K2; I don't want to do anything rash.
>> Thanks,
>> --mark/ae0mm
>> ??????? Original Message ???????
>>> On July 17, 2018 11:55 AM, Mark Petrovic <mspetrovic at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> I'm in the home stretch of building my K2, and wanted to point out
>>> something that might help others as they assemble the transmitter portion
>>> of the radio.
>>> 
>>> C135 ("103"), which sits adjacent to the 2D heat sink fastener, needs to be
>>> installed as close to the board as possible. Check that it is lower than
>>> the 2D fastener, otherwise the heat sink panel may not make good contact
>>> with Q7 and Q8. My C135 sat a tiny bit higher than the 2D block; I ended
>>> up shaving a very thin layer of the capacitor body with a razor blade so
>>> that it cleared the 2D fastener.
>>> 
>>> Mark
>>> AE6RT
>>> 
>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> 
>>> Mark
>>> 
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From n7xy at n7xy.net  Sat Sep 15 00:43:53 2018
From: n7xy at n7xy.net (Bob Nielsen, N7XY)
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2018 21:43:53 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] Great QSOs, 21st century
In-Reply-To: <CAGG46Aqhqp_h5ip1rq3BE4Fp0UnxPXq8Jd5Emc3a9EZQUKz9KA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <78210125-1496-4A92-AB0B-93B3EAC42467@elecraft.com>
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Message-ID: <6f3d2f10-7a13-3e14-9ecf-ca8ac07982a4@n7xy.net>

It's been quite a while, but Henry Radio was on Olympic Boulevard at 
that time, not Century.? I? visited there many times.

Bob, N7XY


On 9/14/18 8:38 PM, Robert Friess wrote:
> I received my Novice license in 1953 at the age of 11.  I had a NC101X
> receiver that my dad bought for me at Henry Radio on Century Blvd in LA for
> $60.  While waiting for what seemed like decades for my license to arrive,
> I built a 6AG7 crystal oscillator  for my transmitter.  I had one crystal
> at 7085.  My license finally arrived and I was officially KN6HMO.  I called
> CQ endlessly and no one answered.  I set up schedules with a few locals a
> few miles away and they heard me, but no one else.  A few weeks later
> someone gave me a 815 dual tetrode.  I went through my junk box and found
> enough parts to build an amplifier.  I tested it by listening on my
> receiver to make sure that the output was tuned to 40 and not some
> harmonic.  The sun went down and I started sending CQ.  A station in Texas
> returned my call.  It was a thrill that hasn't been repeated in the
> following  65 years.
>
> Bob, N6CM
>
> On Fri, Sep 14, 2018 at 6:29 PM Alan James alanmjames at yahoo.com [KX3] <
> KX3-noreply at yahoogroups.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> I think it was Winston Churchill.
>>
>> Alan KZ6B
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> *From:* "Charles Powell doctorcwp at yahoo.com [KX3]" <
>> KX3-noreply at yahoogroups.com>
>> *To:* Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com>
>> *Cc:* Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>; KX3 <KX3 at yahoogroups.com>
>> *Sent:* Friday, September 14, 2018 3:37 PM
>> *Subject:* Re: [KX3] Great QSOs, 21st century
>>
>>
>> Well, S0 noise can be frightening because it makes one think the front end
>> has gone out on the radio.  But then I?m always duped when the first CW
>> signal comes in and blasts my ears out.
>>
>> Today: SFI=69 and SN=0 (yes ZERO), but NEVER let that keep you off the
>> air.  I had some time this afternoon and managed to work Germany and France
>> with 5 watts.  Had it not been for QRM, I would have had a nice rag chew
>> with France.  Unfortunately the QRM kept stepping on my signal (I could
>> hear him as well.)
>>
>> Other stations heard today include OJ0DX (Market Reef) and Kuwait.  Had
>> the other stations been a little more patient, I?m sure I could have worked
>> both.  I guess they thought they weren?t making enough contacts and moved
>> on to other bands/modes.
>>
>> Never give up!  Never say die!  (Who knows the movie quote?)
>>
>> 72,
>>
>> Charles - NK8O
>>
>> On Sep 14, 2018, at 2:46 PM, Wayne Burdick n6kr at elecraft.com [KX3] <
>> KX3-noreply at yahoogroups.com> wrote:
>>
>> Wow! Thanks for the nostalgic RF trip, everyone. Seriously...great stories.
>>
>>
>> Moving forward in time a bit, I wanted to note that RF miracles continue
>> to happen every day. (Well, most weekends in my case.) Last Saturday?s
>> physics-be-damned results: several solid SSB QSOs on 20 and 17 meters all
>> over the country, including KH6, with a prototype AX1 dual-band whip and a
>> KX2 used HT style.
>>
>> What I need is an alarm app for my iPhone that tells me that HF conditions
>> are hot and it?s time to get out of the shack. Ring tone of choice: first
>> four bars of ?Born to be Wild?.
>>
>> Is it just me, or is there something life-changing about a noise level of
>> S0? It?s just a short drive away, even in Silicon Valley.
>>
>> Wayne
>> N6KR
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> __._,_.___
>> ------------------------------
>> Posted by: Alan James <alanmjames at yahoo.com>
>> ------------------------------
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From n8vz at qth.com  Sat Sep 15 01:09:21 2018
From: n8vz at qth.com (=?utf-8?Q?Carl_J=C3=B3n_Denbow?=)
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2018 01:09:21 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] Great QSOs, 21st century
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I once got a QSL card when my car had a QSO with another car via APRS.  I?ll try to dig out the card and quote from it, pretty funny stuff!  73 de Carl, not his car!  ;-)

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> On Sep 15, 2018, at 12:43 AM, Bob Nielsen, N7XY <n7xy at n7xy.net> wrote:
> 
> It's been quite a while, but Henry Radio was on Olympic Boulevard at that time, not Century.  I  visited there many times.
> 
> Bob, N7XY
> 
> 
>> On 9/14/18 8:38 PM, Robert Friess wrote:
>> I received my Novice license in 1953 at the age of 11.  I had a NC101X
>> receiver that my dad bought for me at Henry Radio on Century Blvd in LA for
>> $60.  While waiting for what seemed like decades for my license to arrive,
>> I built a 6AG7 crystal oscillator  for my transmitter.  I had one crystal
>> at 7085.  My license finally arrived and I was officially KN6HMO.  I called
>> CQ endlessly and no one answered.  I set up schedules with a few locals a
>> few miles away and they heard me, but no one else.  A few weeks later
>> someone gave me a 815 dual tetrode.  I went through my junk box and found
>> enough parts to build an amplifier.  I tested it by listening on my
>> receiver to make sure that the output was tuned to 40 and not some
>> harmonic.  The sun went down and I started sending CQ.  A station in Texas
>> returned my call.  It was a thrill that hasn't been repeated in the
>> following  65 years.
>> 
>> Bob, N6CM
>> 
>> On Fri, Sep 14, 2018 at 6:29 PM Alan James alanmjames at yahoo.com [KX3] <
>> KX3-noreply at yahoogroups.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> I think it was Winston Churchill.
>>> 
>>> Alan KZ6B
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ------------------------------
>>> *From:* "Charles Powell doctorcwp at yahoo.com [KX3]" <
>>> KX3-noreply at yahoogroups.com>
>>> *To:* Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com>
>>> *Cc:* Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>; KX3 <KX3 at yahoogroups.com>
>>> *Sent:* Friday, September 14, 2018 3:37 PM
>>> *Subject:* Re: [KX3] Great QSOs, 21st century
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Well, S0 noise can be frightening because it makes one think the front end
>>> has gone out on the radio.  But then I?m always duped when the first CW
>>> signal comes in and blasts my ears out.
>>> 
>>> Today: SFI=69 and SN=0 (yes ZERO), but NEVER let that keep you off the
>>> air.  I had some time this afternoon and managed to work Germany and France
>>> with 5 watts.  Had it not been for QRM, I would have had a nice rag chew
>>> with France.  Unfortunately the QRM kept stepping on my signal (I could
>>> hear him as well.)
>>> 
>>> Other stations heard today include OJ0DX (Market Reef) and Kuwait.  Had
>>> the other stations been a little more patient, I?m sure I could have worked
>>> both.  I guess they thought they weren?t making enough contacts and moved
>>> on to other bands/modes.
>>> 
>>> Never give up!  Never say die!  (Who knows the movie quote?)
>>> 
>>> 72,
>>> 
>>> Charles - NK8O
>>> 
>>> On Sep 14, 2018, at 2:46 PM, Wayne Burdick n6kr at elecraft.com [KX3] <
>>> KX3-noreply at yahoogroups.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Wow! Thanks for the nostalgic RF trip, everyone. Seriously...great stories.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Moving forward in time a bit, I wanted to note that RF miracles continue
>>> to happen every day. (Well, most weekends in my case.) Last Saturday?s
>>> physics-be-damned results: several solid SSB QSOs on 20 and 17 meters all
>>> over the country, including KH6, with a prototype AX1 dual-band whip and a
>>> KX2 used HT style.
>>> 
>>> What I need is an alarm app for my iPhone that tells me that HF conditions
>>> are hot and it?s time to get out of the shack. Ring tone of choice: first
>>> four bars of ?Born to be Wild?.
>>> 
>>> Is it just me, or is there something life-changing about a noise level of
>>> S0? It?s just a short drive away, even in Silicon Valley.
>>> 
>>> Wayne
>>> N6KR
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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From rsmart at netaccess.co.nz  Sat Sep 15 01:12:37 2018
From: rsmart at netaccess.co.nz (Richard Smart)
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2018 17:12:37 +1200
Subject: [Elecraft] Craziest / most rewarding QSOs
Message-ID: <FCC0A8DD-0019-4CA2-A815-8633B394F2C9@netaccess.co.nz>

As Wayne noted - there is still some RF (Propagation) magic left. I enjoyed a short SSB QSO today from ZL with K6JL (Terry).

And while I am sure Terry?s station was doing a lot (all) of the hard work- the station at this end made it a lot of fun - new K2 built a few months ago running around 13W into a 43? mostly random wire - one end at about 22? (Squid pole) and a counterpoise of the same length. 

Looking forward to more of the Southern Hemisphere summer season coming up with more chances to get outdoors with this kit

Richard
ZL4FZ




From m.matthew.george at gmail.com  Sat Sep 15 01:55:51 2018
From: m.matthew.george at gmail.com (M. George)
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2018 23:55:51 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] Win4K3Suite YouTube Video - Detailed - Demo on creating
 and using Virtual K3/S CAT Ports with Software and Hardware
Message-ID: <CAFYRpHu+tY=oiEqAWeL688Ay4n4s=yoFX9pPwiWKkhw0X=+KVg@mail.gmail.com>

For those that want a highly detailed overview and demo of CAT sharing
across software and hardware with Win4K3Suite, I just posted a 57 minute
YouTube video. <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbf7BPfcj4U>  Here is a
link to the diagram
<http://www.nc7j.com/pa/main.php?cmd=imageview&var1=NG7M%2FWin4K3Suite%2FStation+Diagram%2FNG7M-Win4K3Suite-CAT-Control-Station-Diagram.jpg>
used in the video.  My only connection to Win4K3Suite is that I'm a happy
customer and continue to be impressed by how stable it is and how well it
facilitates the creation of virtual K3 CAT feeds which are transparent to
software and hardware you are using in your shack.

The video is very detailed and if you find this interesting, you might find
it useful to jump back 10 seconds and forward 10 seconds at a time using
the 'J' and 'L' keys while you are watching from youtube.com.

Video Link direct: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbf7BPfcj4U
Station Diagram direct link:
http://www.nc7j.com/pa/main.php?cmd=imageview&var1=NG7M%2FWin4K3Suite%2FStation+Diagram%2FNG7M-Win4K3Suite-CAT-Control-Station-Diagram.jpg

Max NG7M

-- 
M. George

From kl7cw at mtaonline.net  Sat Sep 15 01:57:26 2018
From: kl7cw at mtaonline.net (Frederick Dwight)
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2018 21:57:26 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] RF miracles  continue to happen
Message-ID: <20180915055950046@smtp687.redcondor.net>

I have been a ham for 64 years and continue to be surprised.  For example about 3 years ago I decided to try QRP CW on 160 meters.  I live in Alaska and the nearest significant ham population is in Seattle, which is about 1500 miles away.  I have an inverted L and only a mediocre radial field.  QSO?s over about 1500 miles have usually been quite difficult if not impossible with my 100 watt rig.  For a transmitter, I quickly constructed a breadboard 5 watt battery powered transmitter, which probably did not meet FCC specs, but my reasoning was that the nearest active hams were over 40 miles away, and probably no one would hear my flea powered rig anyway.  I did not have a battery powered receiver, so I tacked on temporary 1500 pF capacitors across each of the 80 meter antenna coils in my trusty modified KX-1.  Previously the KX-1 was rather deaf on 160 meters, but with the mod it received about the same as my regular station receiver.  In only a few hours of operation in 2 or 3 contests I worked about 6 west coast states, Texas, and Japan.  Most of the QSOs were over 2000 miles.  I was very surprised that this would even be possible.  So please continue to try things which seem to be logically impossible.  If you have a KX-3, go out in the woods during the next contest and try 160 meters, perhaps with a low dipole in the trees.  Good regional contacts should be very possible, and with none of the noise present in urban areas should be a very relaxing experience.  Rick  KL7CW

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From gliderboy1955 at yahoo.com  Sat Sep 15 03:21:48 2018
From: gliderboy1955 at yahoo.com (eric norris)
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2018 07:21:48 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] Most rewarding/Craziest QSO
References: <1639632521.5752873.1536996108056.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1639632521.5752873.1536996108056@mail.yahoo.com>

In 2014 I was on a kayaking trip in the Johnstone Strait/Queen Charlotte Strait off Vancouver Island.? I brought my KX3 along, and one evening I had a few spare minutes while camped near the Sophie Islands.? I threw my wire up in a very wet tree, and laid out a counterpoise on wet, thick underbrush.? I didn't have a chance.
I tuned around a bit on 40 CW, and to my astonishment heard a guy also camping out on a lake in Arizona, having a QSO with another station.? When they were done I called him, signing WD6DBM/VE7.? He kept calling QRZ QRZ, but eventually we made it.? What a thrill!? Wire in a tree to wire in a tree!
Later that night I fell asleep to the sounds of a sleeping Northern Resident Orca pod in a cove a few hundred feet away from me (5 adults, 2 calves from their breathing patterns), and the noise of a cruise ship 5 miles away whose engines I could hear coming through my sleeping platform.
73 Eric WD6DBM

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From ae0mm at protonmail.com  Sat Sep 15 07:36:09 2018
From: ae0mm at protonmail.com (AE0MM)
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2018 11:36:09 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 minor build caveat: C135 in the transmitter area
In-Reply-To: <3B80F799-F60E-412B-9E0E-87301F13CE28@elecraft.com>
References: <CABMnSbGeiF8NkWqusO3LfpUmioVe2KsnTMuAWgpz1y1hv_L3iw@mail.gmail.com>
	<1dMFm8hFJ_8PwyoJb0we4Y6lkeBbmr70FPKm5_Pup9kT9U_ASW2KApHmojB4BcRAvWPVK3HPvKuqxPmfWmf6OC20pbpshHiWeZkWQECEmRc=@protonmail.com>
	<b9bf5ab5-dc08-c89c-9b01-3957836fe257@embarqmail.com>
	<3B80F799-F60E-412B-9E0E-87301F13CE28@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <SGFm6Sg50LHDtdhbdh3XvW6N_Evtg6EAzBi71ediUmmMMVa-VY0UlCC2AI2IVlf8yJhEceeAG8ndK-j7JfzdPCs3Ir-LFbvnXPs7L1FOsm8=@protonmail.com>

Don had a great suggestion. The KSB2 kit has a spare 103 that is significantly smaller than the K2 103s.


Thanks everyone,

--mark/ae0mm

??????? Original Message ???????
On September 14, 2018 11:14 PM, Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com> wrote:

> All bottom-side components must be less than 0.25? in height so they don?t touch the inside of the bottom cover. You can fold parts over, but I would never, ever attempt to modify their height by removing material. If you feel compelled to do that, better to just request a lower-profile replacement lower profile part from Elecraft.
>
> Wayne
> N6KR
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> http://www.elecraft.com
>
> > On Sep 14, 2018, at 6:45 PM, Don Wilhelm donwilh at embarqmail.com wrote:
> > Mark,
> > The answer is "Maybe".
> > I have heard of some builders who have reduced the height of C135, but that is a risky situation, you may short the plates of the capacitor rendering it useless.
> > A better solution is to replace it with a capacitor that is smaller.
> > Do you have the KSB2 kit? If so, there is a spare small 0.01 uF capacitor in that kit. It has leads for .1 inch lead spacing, but spread them out so they will go into the holes in the RF board.
> > If you do not have the KSB2, but do have the KPA100, you can borrow one of those small capacitors from the KPA100 kit and order a replacement p/n E530019 - 0.01uF capacitor 0.1 inch lead spacing from parts at elecraft.com.
> > 73,
> > Don W3FPR
> >
> > > On 9/14/2018 8:37 PM, AE0MM via Elecraft wrote:
> > > C135 on my K2 RF board sits 1.1mm higher than the 2d fastener. Is it safe shaving that much material off the capacitor body, or should I replace it with a different 103?
> > > I'm one PA transistor away from being able to inspect, test, and align my K2; I don't want to do anything rash.
> > > Thanks,
> > > --mark/ae0mm
> > > ??????? Original Message ???????
> > >
> > > > On July 17, 2018 11:55 AM, Mark Petrovic mspetrovic at gmail.com wrote:
> > > > I'm in the home stretch of building my K2, and wanted to point out
> > > > something that might help others as they assemble the transmitter portion
> > > > of the radio.
> > > > C135 ("103"), which sits adjacent to the 2D heat sink fastener, needs to be
> > > > installed as close to the board as possible. Check that it is lower than
> > > > the 2D fastener, otherwise the heat sink panel may not make good contact
> > > > with Q7 and Q8. My C135 sat a tiny bit higher than the 2D block; I ended
> > > > up shaving a very thin layer of the capacitor body with a razor blade so
> > > > that it cleared the 2D fastener.
> > > > Mark
> > > > AE6RT
> > > >
> > > > Mark
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From k4to.dave at gmail.com  Sat Sep 15 08:26:43 2018
From: k4to.dave at gmail.com (Dave Sublette)
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2018 08:26:43 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] RF miracles continue to happen
In-Reply-To: <20180915055950046@smtp687.redcondor.net>
References: <20180915055950046@smtp687.redcondor.net>
Message-ID: <CAKynJK=tX6Pba7fE=uPvRcgocm916iawpx-1QsR2j-CwF8RG8Q@mail.gmail.com>

Two years ago I entered the CQWW160CW contest with 5 watts and my KX3.  I
placed 5th in North America and worked all over the world.  I went
fearlessly up and down the band answering CQ's, most of which answered my
first call.  I guess I should mention that my antenna is a full sized
quarter wave elevated ground plane made from Rohn 45 with insulated
broadcast section at the feed point, which is 27 feet above ground.  There
are 7, full sized radial suspended at 27 feet, drooping to 15 feet at the
ends.  My QTH is on a high ridge, more than 300 feet above average terrain
for 30 miles in each direction.  Electrical noise level is low and I don't
use receive antennas.  I guess the old saying from real estate is
applicable... location, location, location.  The antenna is the key factor,
but the radio is incredible.

73,

Dave, K4TO

On Sat, Sep 15, 2018 at 2:00 AM Frederick Dwight <kl7cw at mtaonline.net>
wrote:

> I have been a ham for 64 years and continue to be surprised.  For example
> about 3 years ago I decided to try QRP CW on 160 meters.  I live in Alaska
> and the nearest significant ham population is in Seattle, which is about
> 1500 miles away.  I have an inverted L and only a mediocre radial field.
> QSO?s over about 1500 miles have usually been quite difficult if not
> impossible with my 100 watt rig.  For a transmitter, I quickly constructed
> a breadboard 5 watt battery powered transmitter, which probably did not
> meet FCC specs, but my reasoning was that the nearest active hams were over
> 40 miles away, and probably no one would hear my flea powered rig anyway.
> I did not have a battery powered receiver, so I tacked on temporary 1500 pF
> capacitors across each of the 80 meter antenna coils in my trusty modified
> KX-1.  Previously the KX-1 was rather deaf on 160 meters, but with the mod
> it received about the same as my regular station receiver.  In only a few
> hours of operation in 2 or 3 contests I worked about 6 west coast states,
> Texas, and Japan.  Most of the QSOs were over 2000 miles.  I was very
> surprised that this would even be possible.  So please continue to try
> things which seem to be logically impossible.  If you have a KX-3, go out
> in the woods during the next contest and try 160 meters, perhaps with a low
> dipole in the trees.  Good regional contacts should be very possible, and
> with none of the noise present in urban areas should be a very relaxing
> experience.  Rick  KL7CW
>
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From dm4im at t-online.de  Sat Sep 15 09:28:11 2018
From: dm4im at t-online.de (Martin)
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2018 15:28:11 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA100 no PA Key Out
Message-ID: <913d6f59-594c-28ad-4cb7-8ab529155eb7@t-online.de>

Elecrafters,
a friend is trying to connect his K2/100 to his external amp. I own a 
K2/10 only , so have no expirience with it.

He performed measurements and found the PA Key Out on the rear panel of 
the KPA100 will not go low on transmit.
What could be the cause?
Thanks.


-- 

Ohne CW ist es nur CB..

73, Martin DM4iM

From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Sat Sep 15 09:39:35 2018
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2018 09:39:35 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA100 no PA Key Out
In-Reply-To: <913d6f59-594c-28ad-4cb7-8ab529155eb7@t-online.de>
References: <913d6f59-594c-28ad-4cb7-8ab529155eb7@t-online.de>
Message-ID: <11dbe73d-65df-4c26-d6a0-c5201ff966a8@embarqmail.com>

Martin,

It could be a solder failure, a failure of Q12, an open R1, or a bad 
output from firmware U1 pin 16.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 9/15/2018 9:28 AM, Martin wrote:
> Elecrafters,
> a friend is trying to connect his K2/100 to his external amp. I own a 
> K2/10 only , so have no expirience with it.
> 
> He performed measurements and found the PA Key Out on the rear panel of 
> the KPA100 will not go low on transmit.
> What could be the cause?
> Thanks.

From dm4im at t-online.de  Sat Sep 15 09:40:45 2018
From: dm4im at t-online.de (Martin)
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2018 15:40:45 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA100 no PA Key Out
Message-ID: <3f5a0a19-33a4-1175-7c34-22c4d44551d6@t-online.de>

Sorry for the bandwidth, we found it ourselves. The 8r Hold parameter 
was set to 0.01 .

-- 

Ohne CW ist es nur CB..

73, Martin DM4iM

From w1rm at comcast.net  Sat Sep 15 10:55:16 2018
From: w1rm at comcast.net (Peter Chamalian)
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2018 10:55:16 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Craziest / most rewarding QSOs
In-Reply-To: <CFA4CCCC-194B-4249-87DF-D96FD39C506C@elecraft.com>
References: <CFA4CCCC-194B-4249-87DF-D96FD39C506C@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <000701d44d04$1e289110$5a79b330$@comcast.net>

My tale is not about one QSO but rather an amazing 24 hours of QSOs.  It all started with the CQ WW CW DX Contest in November, 1979.  I decided to do 15 meter single band entry with my basic 4 element monobander at 70 feet, a Drake TR-7 and a kw.

The band started off as usual, open to JA, a few SA and Carib stations.  I had expected 15 to go dark by 01z but to my surprise it was still going.  The log was slowly filling with JA, SA and Carib but now there started to appear goodies such as HL9, UA0, VK, ZL and some other Pacific station.  So it sent, hour by hour with no let up in sight.  By 08z the opening shifted and now there were eastern EU stations coming through!  Yeah -- wow.  By 09z the opening to EU closed and I thought I might get a little sleep but first I checked long path.  I swung the beam to 220 degrees, the band noise came up and my tuning produced some amazing stuff -- a VK6 (who asked for my zone 3 times -- he couldn't believe it), 9V1 and a host of goodies from SE Asia and even stretching into UL7.  Even a EU or two snuck through.  By 10z the path closed but lo and behold 15 was now waking up as it normally would with Carib stations and ZS.  Within a short time, it was open to EU and it was off to the races.

I had never experienced anything like this before or since.  Truly an amazing 30 hours because the band didn't actually close until 03z the next night.

As for results, 1173 QSOs, 95 countries and 37 zones.  Number 5 in the world, top US and a USA record score.


Pete, W1RM
W1RM at Comcast.net

-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On Behalf Of Wayne Burdick
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2018 8:46 PM
To: Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>; KX3 <KX3 at yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [Elecraft] Craziest / most rewarding QSOs

15 meters never fails to amaze me. 

During a recent bout of paper log archaeology, I rediscovered a QSO I logged as a teen, in 1972. I was just minding my own business, tuning up using a Heath DX-20 driving 3 feet of coax to a 40 W incandescent bulb. Then a guy in Illinois called me....

Some years later I was using a home-brew rig (the ?Safari 4?) while visiting my Mom in Arizona. The battery was nearly depleted, the rig putting out only 200 mW. The antenna: 8 feet of wire running directly from the rig through a window to a clothesline. Tuning slowly, I heard a CQ from Rwanda (9X5). I called him and got a ?QRZ?? With a *lot* of patience on his end, we completed a basic QSO. No computer, no narrow filtering, no noise blanker. 

I would?ve gone nuts for a KX2 back in those days.

73,
Wayne
N6KR



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From wa8jxm at gmail.com  Sat Sep 15 12:42:52 2018
From: wa8jxm at gmail.com (Ken)
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2018 12:42:52 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Craziest / most rewarding QSOs
In-Reply-To: <000701d44d04$1e289110$5a79b330$@comcast.net>
References: <CFA4CCCC-194B-4249-87DF-D96FD39C506C@elecraft.com>
	<000701d44d04$1e289110$5a79b330$@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <f1fdf82a-3f4a-863f-34e7-1b6a40faa393@gmail.com>

The one that comes to mind was via OSCAR III in 1970.? Just married, we 
lived in an apartment, not ideal for sat comms.? My 2 meter rig was a 
WW2 AM aircraft transmitter with an 832 (dual tetrode) push pull as the 
final.? Of course, not designed for CW. mode conversion did not look 
easy.? I broke the cathode lead and put the key in the line with 300 
volts across the key (I'm sure the younger semiconductor generation 
would be shocked!)? It probably had a significant backwave from the 
driver signal but OSCAR didn't hear that.

Antenna?? I C-clamped a board to the outside window sill with a bracket, 
a 10' piece of conduit, and a simple dipole on the top, all fed with 
RG-174 which was thin enough to close the window on.?? I saw the 
landlord looking at it one day, but he never said anything.

The setup worked!? I had a QSO with a VE2 as well as a local friend.

Ken WA8JXM

From tonyosman2014 at gmail.com  Sat Sep 15 13:26:58 2018
From: tonyosman2014 at gmail.com (Tony Osman)
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2018 13:26:58 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Craziest / most rewarding QSOs
In-Reply-To: <f1fdf82a-3f4a-863f-34e7-1b6a40faa393@gmail.com>
References: <CFA4CCCC-194B-4249-87DF-D96FD39C506C@elecraft.com>
	<000701d44d04$1e289110$5a79b330$@comcast.net>
	<f1fdf82a-3f4a-863f-34e7-1b6a40faa393@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ff5eeb69-b8f0-f713-af04-8e6c3c6517f4@gmail.com>

The QSO that sticks in my mind was back in 1971, I was at college with 
Cable and Wireless in Camborne, Cornwall and the main engineering 
college was at Porthcurno.? I was the social secretary for my group 
(about 30) and my job was to coordinate with the college to get a bus to 
take us to the monthly dance.? I had not been able to contact the 
college and was in qso with Paul, WB2OZW (SK) and mentioned this, he 
then told me that he had just qsoed with one of the guys at the college 
- he went off frequency, found him and brought him on my freq.? I could 
not hear the college guy, skip was too long but Paul could hear us both 
and he relayed the messages back and forward.

I had a number of qsos with Paul after that and he always had a chuckle 
at getting us to the dance!!

-- 
Tony
VE3RZ

www.tonysturnings.com <http://www.tonysturnings.com>

From kevinr at coho.net  Sun Sep 16 01:18:08 2018
From: kevinr at coho.net (kevinr)
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2018 22:18:08 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Announcement
Message-ID: <0fff1ca1-b866-10ec-b157-5ac46a2dbd94@coho.net>

Good Evening,

 ?? It's been a wet week.? Not a lot of rain in total but fairly 
continuous.? Since last Sunday there have only been a few minutes of 
sun.? Mostly it's been misty verging on actual rain; enough to hear it 
on the roof.? The sun has quieted even farther.? Where there was a tiny, 
quiescent group of spots there are now none. Flux is where it has been 
for months.? I wonder what's going on in Sunspot, New Mexico?? Must be 
some aliens stealing our spots.

 ?? I was reading yesterday, trying to map a solution to a problem, when 
I found a strange word: homoscedasticity.? Not a word you'll use every 
day; you'd use it more or less at random ;)

Please join us tomorrow on:

14050 kHz at 2200z Sunday (3 PM PDT Sunday)
 ? 7045 kHz at 0000z Monday (5 PM PDT Sunday)

73,
Kevin. KD5ONS

_


From n7cqr at arrl.net  Sun Sep 16 02:09:15 2018
From: n7cqr at arrl.net (Dan Presley)
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2018 23:09:15 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Craziest / most rewarding QSOs
In-Reply-To: <000701d44d04$1e289110$5a79b330$@comcast.net>
References: <CFA4CCCC-194B-4249-87DF-D96FD39C506C@elecraft.com>
	<000701d44d04$1e289110$5a79b330$@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <47FA9A0E-CA03-44A4-900F-6D8F8E3BC07D@arrl.net>

Two bits- I was on 40 M CW one night and heard a rather loud CQ from ?W7CQR? (my call is N7CQR). So naturally I responded because it?s unusual to work anyone with your same suffix. It turned out that not only was he in my town, but that we were friends from many years past when we played music together (old time string music-?pre bluegrass?) At the time we were playing somehow the subject of ham radio never came up! Moral is always talk about your hobbies! 
On a more current note-I was reading a previous post where one of the folks was commenting on the high noise levels we experience today. A remedy of sorts is to escape the urban area if possible. Today was the HF campout (we do this every summer) for our local ARES group up in the Mt.Hood Nat?l forest of Oregon-near Timothy Lake if anyone knows where that is. I took the KX2 and a loop antenna (W4OP)about 6 feet high, which I use extensively on SOTA and other outings. Lightweight and goes up in about 3 minutes. Anyway, I set it up and a crowd gathered and someone commented that it didn?t seem to be working as there was no band noise (20M),and another ?the bands are dead'. I sat down,put out a CQ and in 5 minutes worked a slew of stations from Minnesota,Arizona, and other locations around the country. 5 W to a small antenna. Yes-there was almost no noise-just signals. Try it if you can?I?ve been licensed since 1966 and having more fun than ever and getting in shape hiking the SOTA summits.  
Dan Presley  N7CQR
n7cqr at arrl.net




From tim at sy-edm.com  Sun Sep 16 06:43:07 2018
From: tim at sy-edm.com (a45wg)
Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2018 18:43:07 +0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Craziest / most rewarding QSOs
In-Reply-To: <1436e87d-e768-ae8d-59c1-46823279731f@cis-broadband.com>
References: <CFA4CCCC-194B-4249-87DF-D96FD39C506C@elecraft.com>
	<1436e87d-e768-ae8d-59c1-46823279731f@cis-broadband.com>
Message-ID: <700B8B09-7190-4A5E-B715-2C9F536719C0@sy-edm.com>

Please ENOUGH of this !! - Go form a support group or something.


From scott.manthe at gmail.com  Sun Sep 16 10:53:29 2018
From: scott.manthe at gmail.com (Scott Manthe)
Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2018 10:53:29 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3: Intermittent loss of RX sensitivity
Message-ID: <ce5c0888-9713-80b6-625c-704debb94c72@gmail.com>

I've noticed that my KX3 occasionally exhibits a loss of RX sensitivity. 
It seems to occur most often on 30 meters and possibly 40 meters, and 
it's temporarily cured by sending a dit or two. I picked the KX3 up 
used, and it needed the VFO B encoder replaced, which I did myself with 
the help of some advice from Lyle, Roman and Elecraft support 
(Thanks!!!). This obviously required the disassembly of the KX3. I'm not 
sure if the sensitivity problem is related to this or not. The encoder 
works fine. This seems like a "sticky relay" issue. Has anyone 
experienced this issue and have any suggestions on the cause and a cure?

73,
Scott N9AA

From w0agmike at gmail.com  Sun Sep 16 11:10:28 2018
From: w0agmike at gmail.com (Mike Murray)
Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2018 10:10:28 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3/RemoteRig Serial Question
Message-ID: <CAP7zeELoiTZVm6AJxp8BKotAcx-w6nQp32t9WJUPgA+SEy+rmw@mail.gmail.com>

I've looked thru all of my manuals and still have a question regarding the
serial port on the remote site connection.  Does it use the same basic
connections as the K3 (pins 2,3, &5) or does it also utilize RTS and DTR
(pins 4 & 7)?  I would like to set up a remotely operated switch for the
serial connections as a backup, but want to be certain I get everything
that's needed.

73,
Mike - W0AG

From dick at elecraft.com  Sun Sep 16 12:08:34 2018
From: dick at elecraft.com (Dick Dievendorff)
Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2018 09:08:34 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3: Intermittent loss of RX sensitivity
In-Reply-To: <ce5c0888-9713-80b6-625c-704debb94c72@gmail.com>
References: <ce5c0888-9713-80b6-625c-704debb94c72@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3F85170F-FB44-4107-999C-53999DFF693B@elecraft.com>

I have had this with other radios. It turned out to be a coax connection that cleared up temporarily with application of a bit of power, but then generally got worse. 

One was up the tower...

73 de Dick, K6KR



> On Sep 16, 2018, at 07:53, Scott Manthe <scott.manthe at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I've noticed that my KX3 occasionally exhibits a loss of RX sensitivity. It seems to occur most often on 30 meters and possibly 40 meters, and it's temporarily cured by sending a dit or two. I picked the KX3 up used, and it needed the VFO B encoder replaced, which I did myself with the help of some advice from Lyle, Roman and Elecraft support (Thanks!!!). This obviously required the disassembly of the KX3. I'm not sure if the sensitivity problem is related to this or not. The encoder works fine. This seems like a "sticky relay" issue. Has anyone experienced this issue and have any suggestions on the cause and a cure?
> 
> 73,
> Scott N9AA
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From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Sun Sep 16 14:34:37 2018
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2018 11:34:37 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3: Intermittent loss of RX sensitivity
In-Reply-To: <3F85170F-FB44-4107-999C-53999DFF693B@elecraft.com>
References: <ce5c0888-9713-80b6-625c-704debb94c72@gmail.com>
	<3F85170F-FB44-4107-999C-53999DFF693B@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <052e1932-2d97-acec-b50d-299c7125f40b@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On 9/16/2018 9:08 AM, Dick Dievendorff wrote:
> I have had this with other radios. It turned out to be a coax connection that cleared up temporarily with application of a bit of power, but then generally got worse.

Yes. This is also a symptom of dirty or failing relay contacts, and of 
junk coax connectors and adapters. And of poorly installed connectors, 
and of connectors that are not wrench tight.

Definition of junk coax connectors and adapters -- they don't have 
Amphenol or a MIL-spec number stamped into them. If you bought new 
connectors or adapters at a hamfest or flea market, they're almost 
certainly junk.

All connectors are not created equal -- if, for example, the female 
center is larger than the male center, they may not make good contact. 
This is a common problem with junk connectors of all sorts, not only coax.

F-type are an exception to that branding -- Snap N Seal is one of the 
good brands.

73, Jim K9YC


From wes_n7ws at triconet.org  Sun Sep 16 14:44:29 2018
From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes Stewart)
Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2018 11:44:29 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Craziest / most rewarding QSOs
In-Reply-To: <700B8B09-7190-4A5E-B715-2C9F536719C0@sy-edm.com>
References: <CFA4CCCC-194B-4249-87DF-D96FD39C506C@elecraft.com>
	<1436e87d-e768-ae8d-59c1-46823279731f@cis-broadband.com>
	<700B8B09-7190-4A5E-B715-2C9F536719C0@sy-edm.com>
Message-ID: <a8f9131a-859b-ab43-2e3c-b315e878fae7@triconet.org>

This is a support group.? This subject was more-or-less initiated by Wayne.

On 9/16/2018 3:43 AM, a45wg wrote:
> Please ENOUGH of this !! - Go form a support group or something.
>


From scott.manthe at gmail.com  Sun Sep 16 14:55:38 2018
From: scott.manthe at gmail.com (Scott Manthe)
Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2018 14:55:38 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3: Intermittent loss of RX sensitivity
In-Reply-To: <052e1932-2d97-acec-b50d-299c7125f40b@audiosystemsgroup.com>
References: <ce5c0888-9713-80b6-625c-704debb94c72@gmail.com>
	<3F85170F-FB44-4107-999C-53999DFF693B@elecraft.com>
	<052e1932-2d97-acec-b50d-299c7125f40b@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Message-ID: <4df2c1fc-a91d-78f5-1ee1-e8cb025168d1@gmail.com>

I appreciate the comments and that good RF connectors are important, but 
how would a bad connector cause the KX3 to only lose sensitivity on 
30/40 meters?

73,
Scott N9AA


On 9/16/18 2:34 PM, Jim Brown wrote:
> On 9/16/2018 9:08 AM, Dick Dievendorff wrote:
>> I have had this with other radios. It turned out to be a coax 
>> connection that cleared up temporarily with application of a bit of 
>> power, but then generally got worse.
>
> Yes. This is also a symptom of dirty or failing relay contacts, and of 
> junk coax connectors and adapters. And of poorly installed connectors, 
> and of connectors that are not wrench tight.
>
> Definition of junk coax connectors and adapters -- they don't have 
> Amphenol or a MIL-spec number stamped into them. If you bought new 
> connectors or adapters at a hamfest or flea market, they're almost 
> certainly junk.
>
> All connectors are not created equal -- if, for example, the female 
> center is larger than the male center, they may not make good contact. 
> This is a common problem with junk connectors of all sorts, not only 
> coax.
>
> F-type are an exception to that branding -- Snap N Seal is one of the 
> good brands.
>
> 73, Jim K9YC
>
> ______________________________________________________________
>


From cyaffey at gmail.com  Sun Sep 16 15:07:51 2018
From: cyaffey at gmail.com (Carl Yaffey)
Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2018 15:07:51 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Craziest / most rewarding QSOs
In-Reply-To: <a8f9131a-859b-ab43-2e3c-b315e878fae7@triconet.org>
References: <CFA4CCCC-194B-4249-87DF-D96FD39C506C@elecraft.com>
	<1436e87d-e768-ae8d-59c1-46823279731f@cis-broadband.com>
	<700B8B09-7190-4A5E-B715-2C9F536719C0@sy-edm.com>
	<a8f9131a-859b-ab43-2e3c-b315e878fae7@triconet.org>
Message-ID: <75A2C9C2-4ACF-474C-8D13-C3C5E52AB3CD@gmail.com>

I was going to post about working rare DX with a KW to a wet noodle but thought better of it. Hi hi


> On Sep 16, 2018, at 2:44 PM, Wes Stewart <wes_n7ws at triconet.org> wrote:
> 
> This is a support group.  This subject was more-or-less initiated by Wayne.
> 
> On 9/16/2018 3:43 AM, a45wg wrote:
>> Please ENOUGH of this !! - Go form a support group or something.
>> 
> 
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614 268 6353, Columbus OH
http://www.carl-yaffey.com
http://www.grassahol.com
http://www.bluesswing.com


From w1zk at comcast.net  Sun Sep 16 15:19:15 2018
From: w1zk at comcast.net (Ralph McClintock)
Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2018 15:19:15 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] FS: Mint Sept 2017 FB KX3 with all accessories
Message-ID: <1a468690-fca0-4401-6efc-f799e8631e53@comcast.net>

Please see my web page for the info on my KX3: 
http://www.christmascrostics.com/Equipment_Sale/Elecraft_KX3.html

Ralph W1ZK

-- 
Webmaster USS PUEBLO Veterans Association
Life Member American Ex-Prisoners of War
Life Member Disabled American Veterans


From n1ix at n1ix.com  Sun Sep 16 15:26:54 2018
From: n1ix at n1ix.com (n1ix at n1ix.com)
Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2018 15:26:54 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Craziest / most rewarding QSO's
Message-ID: <007801d44df3$3a228700$ae679500$@n1ix.com>

A few years ago I found 7X4AN, Med, running a pileup on 20 meters. 

I was running 5 watts and no matter what I tried I couldn't get through the
pileup.

Finally, (I don't like to do this) but I send N1IX/QRP. After a few calls he
came back "QRP?"

I replied N1IX/QRP.  He then sent "QRX QRX" followed a minute or so later by
"N1IX/QRP de 7X4AN/QRP 559"

A while later I got a card from the buro from 7X4AN saying tnx for the QRP
to QRP qso. 

 

Dave N1IX


From w1zk at comcast.net  Sun Sep 16 15:34:58 2018
From: w1zk at comcast.net (Ralph McClintock)
Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2018 15:34:58 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] FS microHAM USB III interface with K2/100 cable
Message-ID: <8cb529d7-d87c-052a-bdde-1100bfe92efe@comcast.net>

My Bad.  Forgot, I had a 2nd item to list. A brand new microHAM USB III interface with my HB K2/100 cable.
Please see my website for details;http://www.christmascrostics.com/Equipment_Sale/For_Sale_2.html
Ralph W1ZK
-- 
Webmaster USS PUEBLO Veterans Association
Life Member American Ex-Prisoners of War
Life Member Disabled American Veterans


From bobdehaney at gmx.net  Sun Sep 16 16:21:45 2018
From: bobdehaney at gmx.net (Bob DeHaney)
Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2018 22:21:45 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] Entertaining Tales
Message-ID: <001901d44dfa$e3ad5fa0$ab081ee0$@gmx.net>

As my Elmer W4MLE told me in about 1961, Antenna and Propagation Theory are just that, theory.  Now waiting on my KX3 as we fly to IS0 next week for 15 days.  Listen for IS0/DJ0RD ?

 

Vy 73 de Bob DJ0RD/WU5T


From ardrhi at gmail.com  Sun Sep 16 16:52:56 2018
From: ardrhi at gmail.com (Gwen Patton)
Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2018 16:52:56 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Craziest / most rewarding QSOs
In-Reply-To: <75A2C9C2-4ACF-474C-8D13-C3C5E52AB3CD@gmail.com>
References: <CFA4CCCC-194B-4249-87DF-D96FD39C506C@elecraft.com>
	<1436e87d-e768-ae8d-59c1-46823279731f@cis-broadband.com>
	<700B8B09-7190-4A5E-B715-2C9F536719C0@sy-edm.com>
	<a8f9131a-859b-ab43-2e3c-b315e878fae7@triconet.org>
	<75A2C9C2-4ACF-474C-8D13-C3C5E52AB3CD@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+nQa2PSKbT8d=afAd3Sn+V4sKbZN8J-OSdfBwVSv3gGwaichQ@mail.gmail.com>

Somehow, I think the founder of Elecraft can decide what is appropriate to
post on the Elecraft mailing list. ?

On Sun, Sep 16, 2018, 3:08 PM Carl Yaffey <cyaffey at gmail.com> wrote:

> I was going to post about working rare DX with a KW to a wet noodle but
> thought better of it. Hi hi
>
>
> > On Sep 16, 2018, at 2:44 PM, Wes Stewart <wes_n7ws at triconet.org> wrote:
> >
> > This is a support group.  This subject was more-or-less initiated by
> Wayne.
> >
> > On 9/16/2018 3:43 AM, a45wg wrote:
> >> Please ENOUGH of this !! - Go form a support group or something.
> >>
> >
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From pasek001 at umn.edu  Sun Sep 16 17:39:42 2018
From: pasek001 at umn.edu (George Pasek)
Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2018 16:39:42 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 encoder dying?
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1850.1537124145.3450.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
References: <mailman.1850.1537124145.3450.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID: <379A1682AED34B6FAE11296D1E5C858B@JRPC>

I noticed today that when I tried to fine adjust the mic level with the 
mic/keyer/pwr encoder that it may display the mic level but won't change it 
or if it does it's very erratic.  The response is the same with the keyer 
speed in CW mode and when attempting to adjust the power level.  Turning the 
knob fast usually does nothing, turning it slow may move it a bit and 
wiggling the knob seems the best way to see results.   I never had a problem 
with it till today and I have made no changes to it or it's operation.  I 
have been running it on WSPR at 500mw with a 2 minute Tx and 8 minute Rx for 
a few weeks now and always tweak the mic gain for the blinking ALC 5th bar 
when I change bands.  I'm assuming it's the encoder going bad and will have 
to be sent to the Elecraft Hospital for a part replacement surgery but I 
thought I'd check here first in case I'm missing something.

tnx
de George
WD0AKZ


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From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Sun Sep 16 17:49:14 2018
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2018 16:49:14 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 encoder dying?
In-Reply-To: <379A1682AED34B6FAE11296D1E5C858B@JRPC>
References: <mailman.1850.1537124145.3450.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
	<379A1682AED34B6FAE11296D1E5C858B@JRPC>
Message-ID: <E8B5C137-C362-4898-BB6C-45586CF99213@blomand.net>

Encoders can be cleaned. I've done it in several radios, several brands.  It is usually necessary to open the radio, remove the encoder.  Then carefully open the encoder, clean the wiper contacts and the stationary contacts with contact cleaner.   These are simply a stepping switch. Only one moving part. Reassemble in the reverse process. 

Bob, K4TAX


Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 16, 2018, at 4:39 PM, George Pasek <pasek001 at umn.edu> wrote:
> 
> I noticed today that when I tried to fine adjust the mic level with the mic/keyer/pwr encoder that it may display the mic level but won't change it or if it does it's very erratic.  The response is the same with the keyer speed in CW mode and when attempting to adjust the power level.  Turning the knob fast usually does nothing, turning it slow may move it a bit and wiggling the knob seems the best way to see results.   I never had a problem with it till today and I have made no changes to it or it's operation.  I have been running it on WSPR at 500mw with a 2 minute Tx and 8 minute Rx for a few weeks now and always tweak the mic gain for the blinking ALC 5th bar when I change bands.  I'm assuming it's the encoder going bad and will have to be sent to the Elecraft Hospital for a part replacement surgery but I thought I'd check here first in case I'm missing something.
> 
> tnx
> de George
> WD0AKZ
> 
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From xdavid at cis-broadband.com  Sun Sep 16 18:01:37 2018
From: xdavid at cis-broadband.com (David Gilbert)
Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2018 15:01:37 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Entertaining Tales
In-Reply-To: <001901d44dfa$e3ad5fa0$ab081ee0$@gmx.net>
References: <001901d44dfa$e3ad5fa0$ab081ee0$@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <0c0fdbd9-86e5-a5fc-604d-180f37ddc9f2@cis-broadband.com>



Much less so now than in 1961 ... for both.

Dave?? AB7E


On 9/16/2018 1:21 PM, Bob DeHaney wrote:
> As my Elmer W4MLE told me in about 1961, Antenna and Propagation Theory are just that, theory.
>   
>
> Vy 73 de Bob DJ0RD/WU5T


From xdavid at cis-broadband.com  Sun Sep 16 18:04:14 2018
From: xdavid at cis-broadband.com (David Gilbert)
Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2018 15:04:14 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Craziest / most rewarding QSOs
In-Reply-To: <CA+nQa2PSKbT8d=afAd3Sn+V4sKbZN8J-OSdfBwVSv3gGwaichQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CFA4CCCC-194B-4249-87DF-D96FD39C506C@elecraft.com>
	<1436e87d-e768-ae8d-59c1-46823279731f@cis-broadband.com>
	<700B8B09-7190-4A5E-B715-2C9F536719C0@sy-edm.com>
	<a8f9131a-859b-ab43-2e3c-b315e878fae7@triconet.org>
	<75A2C9C2-4ACF-474C-8D13-C3C5E52AB3CD@gmail.com>
	<CA+nQa2PSKbT8d=afAd3Sn+V4sKbZN8J-OSdfBwVSv3gGwaichQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <b7333022-0b2a-44d1-959a-889e6777911d@cis-broadband.com>


Yes.? In fact, the forum guidelines prohibit exhortations such as that 
by A45WG.

Dave? AB7E


On 9/16/2018 1:52 PM, Gwen Patton wrote:
> Somehow, I think the founder of Elecraft can decide what is appropriate to
> post on the Elecraft mailing list. ?
>
> On Sun, Sep 16, 2018, 3:08 PM Carl Yaffey <cyaffey at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I was going to post about working rare DX with a KW to a wet noodle but
>> thought better of it. Hi hi
>>
>>
>>> On Sep 16, 2018, at 2:44 PM, Wes Stewart <wes_n7ws at triconet.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> This is a support group.  This subject was more-or-less initiated by
>> Wayne.
>>> On 9/16/2018 3:43 AM, a45wg wrote:
>>>> Please ENOUGH of this !! - Go form a support group or something.
>>>>
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From k6dgw at foothill.net  Sun Sep 16 18:11:51 2018
From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen)
Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2018 15:11:51 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3/RemoteRig Serial Question
In-Reply-To: <CAP7zeELoiTZVm6AJxp8BKotAcx-w6nQp32t9WJUPgA+SEy+rmw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAP7zeELoiTZVm6AJxp8BKotAcx-w6nQp32t9WJUPgA+SEy+rmw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d473aead-5920-67eb-1e7d-6ad06728ba26@foothill.net>

I don't see an answer for you Mike ... are you talking about the 
"RRC1258 COM2" virtual port that shows up when the USB is plugged in 
that can be used for controlling other equipment [e.g. antenna 
switches]?? If so, I believe the 1258 replicates a complete RS-232 set 
of signals from control end to the radio end.? I'm not sure if it's 
2-way however [i.e. bring status data back to the control end].? There 
is at least one config setting to make it work.

73,

Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

On 9/16/2018 8:10 AM, Mike Murray wrote:
> I've looked thru all of my manuals and still have a question regarding the
> serial port on the remote site connection.  Does it use the same basic
> connections as the K3 (pins 2,3, &5) or does it also utilize RTS and DTR
> (pins 4 & 7)?  I would like to set up a remotely operated switch for the
> serial connections as a backup, but want to be certain I get everything
> that's needed.
>
> 73,
> Mike - W0AG
>


From donovanf at starpower.net  Sun Sep 16 18:57:45 2018
From: donovanf at starpower.net (donovanf at starpower.net)
Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2018 18:57:45 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Elecraft] Entertaining Tales
In-Reply-To: <001901d44dfa$e3ad5fa0$ab081ee0$@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <1223686843.14814568.1537138665255.JavaMail.root@starpower.net>

Hi Bob, 


You and W4MLE (SK) are both correct about antenna and propagation 
theory, based on the universally accepted definition used in science and 
engineering: 


Theory: a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural 
world, based on a body of facts that have been repeatedly confirmed 
through observation and experiment. 


73 
Frank 
W3LPL 


----- Original Message -----

From: "Bob DeHaney" <bobdehaney at gmx.net> 
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net 
Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2018 8:21:45 PM 
Subject: [Elecraft] Entertaining Tales 

As my Elmer W4MLE told me in about 1961, Antenna and Propagation Theory are just that, theory. Now waiting on my KX3 as we fly to IS0 next week for 15 days. Listen for IS0/DJ0RD ? 



Vy 73 de Bob DJ0RD/WU5T 

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From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Sun Sep 16 19:58:07 2018
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2018 19:58:07 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Entertaining Tales
In-Reply-To: <1223686843.14814568.1537138665255.JavaMail.root@starpower.net>
References: <1223686843.14814568.1537138665255.JavaMail.root@starpower.net>
Message-ID: <e2761553-00aa-c6f1-2222-a0751d8e3b18@embarqmail.com>

If the initial post was to indicate that theory and fact were not well 
aligned (That is the way I took it), then I would like to point out that 
much of what was only theory in the 1960s has become more embodied in 
fact in later years.

There is still a lot of mystery and mystic in propagation and sunspot 
prediction, but a lot of antenna theory of the 1960's has been hardened 
in science.  The foundation of electromagnetic radiation is soundly 
grounded in Maxwell's Equations - but they are a difficult study all in 
themselves.

I give a lot of credit to LB Cebik W4RNL (SK) for his modeling skills 
and studies into antennas of various types.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 9/16/2018 6:57 PM, donovanf at starpower.net wrote:
> Hi Bob,
> 
> 
> You and W4MLE (SK) are both correct about antenna and propagation
> theory, based on the universally accepted definition used in science and
> engineering:
> 
> 
> Theory: a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural
> world, based on a body of facts that have been repeatedly confirmed
> through observation and experiment.
> 

From cliff at cliffclark.net  Sun Sep 16 20:05:56 2018
From: cliff at cliffclark.net (Cliff Clark)
Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2018 00:05:56 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] CW Transmit Text Decode is off
Message-ID: <CALbYrpa8gZ5d0sXoR-ZGLoujzDAJXLadnBrvDz-pB=wsnKXVng@mail.gmail.com>

I love my KX2, and I thought I would use the TX only CW code to practice,
but I'm having a problem.

I turn Vox off so there is no RF out.

I'm sending some letters like L that end up as ED, or something an R ends
up EN.  The sound emitted by the radio seems right though.  I even recorded
it in Audacity on my laptop, and the waveform looks perfect, but the decode
is sometimes right, and sometimes not.

Is this just the way it works, or am I just bad at sending?  (or maybe both
:-)

I think I'll have to disable the CW decode for now.

Any ideas?

Thanks,
Cliff (AG7CC)

From bill at wjschmidt.com  Sun Sep 16 20:07:26 2018
From: bill at wjschmidt.com (Dr. William J. Schmidt)
Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2018 19:07:26 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500
Message-ID: <0cfa01d44e1a$6b9b67d0$42d23770$@wjschmidt.com>

I just turned on my KPA500 to do some DX work before I have to return home
from J6 tomorrow.  We had a hack of a storm two days ago and the antenna was
connected but no lightening was observed.  My KPA500 receives fine in
Standby but receive signals seem attenuated by several dB when in Operate.
The amp makes power in transmit as usual.  Without the manuals here I
suspect there are some PIN diodes in it that got hammered in the storm.
Anyone else see this?



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From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Sun Sep 16 20:11:03 2018
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2018 19:11:03 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] CW Transmit Text Decode is off
In-Reply-To: <CALbYrpa8gZ5d0sXoR-ZGLoujzDAJXLadnBrvDz-pB=wsnKXVng@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALbYrpa8gZ5d0sXoR-ZGLoujzDAJXLadnBrvDz-pB=wsnKXVng@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2ACE95AE-7396-40BB-AAE1-A56BDE9DE504@blomand.net>

If it is decoding two characters and not one, this says the sending spacing and length of each element is inconsistent. 

Bob, K4TAX


Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 16, 2018, at 7:05 PM, Cliff Clark <cliff at cliffclark.net> wrote:
> 
> I love my KX2, and I thought I would use the TX only CW code to practice,
> but I'm having a problem.
> 
> I turn Vox off so there is no RF out.
> 
> I'm sending some letters like L that end up as ED, or something an R ends
> up EN.  The sound emitted by the radio seems right though.  I even recorded
> it in Audacity on my laptop, and the waveform looks perfect, but the decode
> is sometimes right, and sometimes not.
> 
> Is this just the way it works, or am I just bad at sending?  (or maybe both
> :-)
> 
> I think I'll have to disable the CW decode for now.
> 
> Any ideas?
> 
> Thanks,
> Cliff (AG7CC)
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From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Sun Sep 16 20:24:47 2018
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2018 20:24:47 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] CW Transmit Text Decode is off
In-Reply-To: <CALbYrpa8gZ5d0sXoR-ZGLoujzDAJXLadnBrvDz-pB=wsnKXVng@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALbYrpa8gZ5d0sXoR-ZGLoujzDAJXLadnBrvDz-pB=wsnKXVng@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6d04b9a2-b141-ecf7-1d55-3afd0cf0b7c2@embarqmail.com>

Cliff,

The decoder demands precise timing of dits, dahs, and the spacing.
It sounds like your "L" being decoded as ED is a result of a slight 
pause between the leading dit and the following part of the dahs and 
ending dits.
Similarly, "R" coming out as ED is the same problem - a slight pause 
after the first dit.

73,
Don W3FPR


On 9/16/2018 8:05 PM, Cliff Clark wrote:
> I love my KX2, and I thought I would use the TX only CW code to practice,
> but I'm having a problem.
> 
> I turn Vox off so there is no RF out.
> 
> I'm sending some letters like L that end up as ED, or something an R ends
> up EN.  The sound emitted by the radio seems right though.  I even recorded
> it in Audacity on my laptop, and the waveform looks perfect, but the decode
> is sometimes right, and sometimes not.
> 

From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Sun Sep 16 20:28:59 2018
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2018 20:28:59 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500
In-Reply-To: <0cfa01d44e1a$6b9b67d0$42d23770$@wjschmidt.com>
References: <0cfa01d44e1a$6b9b67d0$42d23770$@wjschmidt.com>
Message-ID: <3d0fc189-d1ee-a070-711f-861973651f2f@embarqmail.com>

No lightning observed is not a reliable indicator of the amount of 
static charge that can accumulate on the antenna.

Disconnecting the antenna when not in use or switching the radio input 
to a dummy load or ground is the only sure prevention.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 9/16/2018 8:07 PM, Dr. William J. Schmidt wrote:
> I just turned on my KPA500 to do some DX work before I have to return home
> from J6 tomorrow.  We had a hack of a storm two days ago and the antenna was
> connected but no lightening was observed.  My KPA500 receives fine in
> Standby but receive signals seem attenuated by several dB when in Operate.
> The amp makes power in transmit as usual.  Without the manuals here I
> suspect there are some PIN diodes in it that got hammered in the storm.
> Anyone else see this?

From va3mw at portcredit.net  Sun Sep 16 20:32:11 2018
From: va3mw at portcredit.net (Michael Walker)
Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2018 19:32:11 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500
In-Reply-To: <3d0fc189-d1ee-a070-711f-861973651f2f@embarqmail.com>
References: <0cfa01d44e1a$6b9b67d0$42d23770$@wjschmidt.com>
	<3d0fc189-d1ee-a070-711f-861973651f2f@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+33ts6DfJMpRqjUMWo0vy8no3Q=18gWk-Tif17rVVe-wJy_iw@mail.gmail.com>

I have seen that when it wasn't on the Band it was supposed to be on.  I
also saw the same thing when the PTT line didn't get pulled fully to ground.

You have likely confirmed this though.

Mike va3mw

On Sun, Sep 16, 2018 at 7:28 PM, Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com> wrote:

> No lightning observed is not a reliable indicator of the amount of static
> charge that can accumulate on the antenna.
>
> Disconnecting the antenna when not in use or switching the radio input to
> a dummy load or ground is the only sure prevention.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 9/16/2018 8:07 PM, Dr. William J. Schmidt wrote:
>
>> I just turned on my KPA500 to do some DX work before I have to return home
>> from J6 tomorrow.  We had a hack of a storm two days ago and the antenna
>> was
>> connected but no lightening was observed.  My KPA500 receives fine in
>> Standby but receive signals seem attenuated by several dB when in Operate.
>> The amp makes power in transmit as usual.  Without the manuals here I
>> suspect there are some PIN diodes in it that got hammered in the storm.
>> Anyone else see this?
>>
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From jlangdon1 at austin.rr.com  Sun Sep 16 20:32:28 2018
From: jlangdon1 at austin.rr.com (jlangdon1 at austin.rr.com)
Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2018 19:32:28 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 (not S) with all upgrades for sale
Message-ID: <00ed01d44e1d$eb691ea0$c23b5be0$@austin.rr.com>

I'm never going to really do serious SO2R, so I am selling my 2R, a
relatively late model K3 (SN7987, 2014) with these options and upgrades:

 

K3/100-F Transceiver

KAT3-F  Antenna Tuner

KTCX03-1-F TXCO 1ppm

K3EXREF-1-F 10MHz reference input

144OPT100 K144KV panel kit

K144XVRFLK-F    REFLOCK

K144XV-100-F 2M Module

KDVR3-F DVR

KFLA3A-1.8K-F 1.8 kHz 8 pole filter

KFL3A-250-F 250 Hz 8 pole filter

KFL3A-400-F  400 Hz 8 pole filter

KFL3A-500-F  500 Hz 5 pole filter

KRX3-F  2nd Rx

KFLA3A-1.8K-F 1.8 kHz 8 pole filter           

KFL3A-250-F 250 Hz 8 pole filter 

KFL3A-400-F  400 Hz 8 pole filter

KFL3A-500-F  500 Hz 5 pole filter (matched to main Rx filter)

Upgrade KIO3BUKT-F IO board (12/2015)

Upgrade KXV3B-F interface board (12/2015)

Upgrade KSYN3AUPGD-F synthesizer board (12/2015)

$5952 original price 

 

One owner, all AC shack, non-smoker, low time.  $3400 cash.  

Prefer face to face sale. Will be at 6M BBQ in Austin this weekend or will
meet you halfway anywhere in Texas.

 

73 John N5CQ

 

 


From dj0qn at gmx.de  Sun Sep 16 20:41:31 2018
From: dj0qn at gmx.de (Mitch Wolfson DJ0QN / K7DX)
Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2018 20:41:31 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3/RemoteRig Serial Question
In-Reply-To: <d473aead-5920-67eb-1e7d-6ad06728ba26@foothill.net>
References: <CAP7zeELoiTZVm6AJxp8BKotAcx-w6nQp32t9WJUPgA+SEy+rmw@mail.gmail.com>
	<d473aead-5920-67eb-1e7d-6ad06728ba26@foothill.net>
Message-ID: <76ee0fa6-ca94-e84f-eb3f-47bbf29535b2@gmx.de>

Mike,

The answer is found on pages 13 and 18 of the RemoteRig manual......NO.

Just a tip; I suggest posing RemoteRig specific questions on their forum.

73,
Mitch DJ0QN / K7DX

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On 16.09.2018 18:11, Fred Jensen wrote:
> I don't see an answer for you Mike ... are you talking about the 
> "RRC1258 COM2" virtual port that shows up when the USB is plugged in 
> that can be used for controlling other equipment [e.g. antenna 
> switches]?? If so, I believe the 1258 replicates a complete RS-232 set 
> of signals from control end to the radio end.? I'm not sure if it's 
> 2-way however [i.e. bring status data back to the control end].? There 
> is at least one config setting to make it work.
>
> 73,
>
> Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
> Sparks NV DM09dn
> Washoe County
>
> On 9/16/2018 8:10 AM, Mike Murray wrote:
>> I've looked thru all of my manuals and still have a question 
>> regarding the
>> serial port on the remote site connection.? Does it use the same basic
>> connections as the K3 (pins 2,3, &5) or does it also utilize RTS and DTR
>> (pins 4 & 7)?? I would like to set up a remotely operated switch for the
>> serial connections as a backup, but want to be certain I get everything
>> that's needed.
>>
>> 73,
>> Mike - W0AG
>>
>
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From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Sun Sep 16 20:47:20 2018
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2018 20:47:20 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3: Intermittent loss of RX sensitivity
In-Reply-To: <4df2c1fc-a91d-78f5-1ee1-e8cb025168d1@gmail.com>
References: <ce5c0888-9713-80b6-625c-704debb94c72@gmail.com>
	<3F85170F-FB44-4107-999C-53999DFF693B@elecraft.com>
	<052e1932-2d97-acec-b50d-299c7125f40b@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<4df2c1fc-a91d-78f5-1ee1-e8cb025168d1@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <da24ce22-2723-3d01-89d6-6b779fa93fb5@embarqmail.com>

Scott,

Do you have an antenna(s) for 30 and 40 meters?
Those antenna systems may have a bad connection somewhere in the the 
feedline or the radiator itself.

It is quite common for hams to think their antennas are perfect and the 
trouble lies in the radio.

Look at the entire system and pick out the elements that are common to 
the affected bands.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 9/16/2018 2:55 PM, Scott Manthe wrote:
> I appreciate the comments and that good RF connectors are important, but 
> how would a bad connector cause the KX3 to only lose sensitivity on 
> 30/40 meters?
> 
> 73,
> Scott N9AA

From rollen at comcast.net  Sun Sep 16 20:50:35 2018
From: rollen at comcast.net (Bert Rollen)
Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2018 00:50:35 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Entertaining Tales
In-Reply-To: <e2761553-00aa-c6f1-2222-a0751d8e3b18@embarqmail.com>
References: <1223686843.14814568.1537138665255.JavaMail.root@starpower.net>
	<e2761553-00aa-c6f1-2222-a0751d8e3b18@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <DM5PR22MB0572CF806260BD5398EFBC06CB1E0@DM5PR22MB0572.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>

LB was a friend of mine and an amazing guy.  He also was a charter member and frequent presenter at our East Tennessee DX Association, and (if not already known by the list) an Elecraft K2 owner.  

Bert, K4AR

-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On Behalf Of Don Wilhelm
Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2018 7:58 PM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Entertaining Tales

If the initial post was to indicate that theory and fact were not well aligned (That is the way I took it), then I would like to point out that much of what was only theory in the 1960s has become more embodied in fact in later years.

There is still a lot of mystery and mystic in propagation and sunspot prediction, but a lot of antenna theory of the 1960's has been hardened in science.  The foundation of electromagnetic radiation is soundly grounded in Maxwell's Equations - but they are a difficult study all in themselves.

I give a lot of credit to LB Cebik W4RNL (SK) for his modeling skills and studies into antennas of various types.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 9/16/2018 6:57 PM, donovanf at starpower.net wrote:
> Hi Bob,
> 
> 
> You and W4MLE (SK) are both correct about antenna and propagation 
> theory, based on the universally accepted definition used in science 
> and
> engineering:
> 
> 
> Theory: a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural 
> world, based on a body of facts that have been repeatedly confirmed 
> through observation and experiment.
> 
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From cliff at cliffclark.net  Sun Sep 16 21:40:35 2018
From: cliff at cliffclark.net (Cliff Clark)
Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2018 01:40:35 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] CW Transmit Text Decode is off
In-Reply-To: <6d04b9a2-b141-ecf7-1d55-3afd0cf0b7c2@embarqmail.com>
References: <CALbYrpa8gZ5d0sXoR-ZGLoujzDAJXLadnBrvDz-pB=wsnKXVng@mail.gmail.com>
	<6d04b9a2-b141-ecf7-1d55-3afd0cf0b7c2@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <CALbYrpa1cOorHrz_OYCMGOo8=r4F1sPi9qVk15SJyvOzQ4eMgw@mail.gmail.com>

Well, I think I might know what is going on then.  The timing must be
really tight.  I'm using a single lever paddle, and I think if it polls
when I'm switching from dit to dah, or vice versa, then it breaks the
letter, even if it sounds pretty much OK (well, it's faster than my ears
anyway).

So, I guess the technique is to switch before the last element is sent so
it has enough time to engage the next element before it polls.

I'm actually doing the level 1 CW Academy course.  I guess I have plenty of
practice ahead.  It's pretty embarrassing not being able to send my own
name right :-)

Anyway, good to know I'm not losing my mind (yet).

Thanks,
Cliff



On Mon, Sep 17, 2018 at 12:24 AM Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com> wrote:

> Cliff,
>
> The decoder demands precise timing of dits, dahs, and the spacing.
> It sounds like your "L" being decoded as ED is a result of a slight
> pause between the leading dit and the following part of the dahs and
> ending dits.
> Similarly, "R" coming out as ED is the same problem - a slight pause
> after the first dit.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
>
> On 9/16/2018 8:05 PM, Cliff Clark wrote:
> > I love my KX2, and I thought I would use the TX only CW code to practice,
> > but I'm having a problem.
> >
> > I turn Vox off so there is no RF out.
> >
> > I'm sending some letters like L that end up as ED, or something an R ends
> > up EN.  The sound emitted by the radio seems right though.  I even
> recorded
> > it in Audacity on my laptop, and the waveform looks perfect, but the
> decode
> > is sometimes right, and sometimes not.
> >
>

From ardrhi at gmail.com  Sun Sep 16 21:53:11 2018
From: ardrhi at gmail.com (Gwen Patton)
Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2018 21:53:11 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] CW Transmit Text Decode is off
In-Reply-To: <CALbYrpa1cOorHrz_OYCMGOo8=r4F1sPi9qVk15SJyvOzQ4eMgw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALbYrpa8gZ5d0sXoR-ZGLoujzDAJXLadnBrvDz-pB=wsnKXVng@mail.gmail.com>
	<6d04b9a2-b141-ecf7-1d55-3afd0cf0b7c2@embarqmail.com>
	<CALbYrpa1cOorHrz_OYCMGOo8=r4F1sPi9qVk15SJyvOzQ4eMgw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+nQa2P6WNceS=4nnXkeiSJUP=cKLeEie+2Z+BETDr8kvS2D9g@mail.gmail.com>

>
> I'm actually doing the level 1 CW Academy course.  I guess I have plenty of
> practice ahead.  It's pretty embarrassing not being able to send my own
> name right :-)


I'm taking that course in January, Cliff! I'm not precisely level 1, but
it's been so long since I used my code that I'm starting over anyway. So I
know how you feel!

73,
Gwen, NG3P

On Sun, Sep 16, 2018 at 9:41 PM Cliff Clark <cliff at cliffclark.net> wrote:

> Well, I think I might know what is going on then.  The timing must be
> really tight.  I'm using a single lever paddle, and I think if it polls
> when I'm switching from dit to dah, or vice versa, then it breaks the
> letter, even if it sounds pretty much OK (well, it's faster than my ears
> anyway).
>
> So, I guess the technique is to switch before the last element is sent so
> it has enough time to engage the next element before it polls.
>
> I'm actually doing the level 1 CW Academy course.  I guess I have plenty of
> practice ahead.  It's pretty embarrassing not being able to send my own
> name right :-)
>
> Anyway, good to know I'm not losing my mind (yet).
>
> Thanks,
> Cliff
>
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 17, 2018 at 12:24 AM Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Cliff,
> >
> > The decoder demands precise timing of dits, dahs, and the spacing.
> > It sounds like your "L" being decoded as ED is a result of a slight
> > pause between the leading dit and the following part of the dahs and
> > ending dits.
> > Similarly, "R" coming out as ED is the same problem - a slight pause
> > after the first dit.
> >
> > 73,
> > Don W3FPR
> >
> >
> > On 9/16/2018 8:05 PM, Cliff Clark wrote:
> > > I love my KX2, and I thought I would use the TX only CW code to
> practice,
> > > but I'm having a problem.
> > >
> > > I turn Vox off so there is no RF out.
> > >
> > > I'm sending some letters like L that end up as ED, or something an R
> ends
> > > up EN.  The sound emitted by the radio seems right though.  I even
> > recorded
> > > it in Audacity on my laptop, and the waveform looks perfect, but the
> > decode
> > > is sometimes right, and sometimes not.
> > >
> >
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From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Sun Sep 16 22:45:41 2018
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2018 21:45:41 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] CW Transmit Text Decode is off
In-Reply-To: <CALbYrpa1cOorHrz_OYCMGOo8=r4F1sPi9qVk15SJyvOzQ4eMgw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALbYrpa8gZ5d0sXoR-ZGLoujzDAJXLadnBrvDz-pB=wsnKXVng@mail.gmail.com>
	<6d04b9a2-b141-ecf7-1d55-3afd0cf0b7c2@embarqmail.com>
	<CALbYrpa1cOorHrz_OYCMGOo8=r4F1sPi9qVk15SJyvOzQ4eMgw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <88964C1F-1249-4CE5-A197-E0B3D4E0A78E@blomand.net>

Make sure the contacts on the paddle are clean. Drag a business card between them while applying a bit of pressure. 

Also reduce the keyer speed a bit.   

I use both a single lever and a dual lever paddle. Timing and rhythm is the key to a good fist.  Roll your fist from side to side as opposed to pressing the lever by moving the thumb and forefinger. 

Bob, K4TAX


Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 16, 2018, at 8:40 PM, Cliff Clark <cliff at cliffclark.net> wrote:
> 
> Well, I think I might know what is going on then.  The timing must be
> really tight.  I'm using a single lever paddle, and I think if it polls
> when I'm switching from dit to dah, or vice versa, then it breaks the
> letter, even if it sounds pretty much OK (well, it's faster than my ears
> anyway).
> 
> So, I guess the technique is to switch before the last element is sent so
> it has enough time to engage the next element before it polls.
> 
> I'm actually doing the level 1 CW Academy course.  I guess I have plenty of
> practice ahead.  It's pretty embarrassing not being able to send my own
> name right :-)
> 
> Anyway, good to know I'm not losing my mind (yet).
> 
> Thanks,
> Cliff
> 
> 
> 
>> On Mon, Sep 17, 2018 at 12:24 AM Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Cliff,
>> 
>> The decoder demands precise timing of dits, dahs, and the spacing.
>> It sounds like your "L" being decoded as ED is a result of a slight
>> pause between the leading dit and the following part of the dahs and
>> ending dits.
>> Similarly, "R" coming out as ED is the same problem - a slight pause
>> after the first dit.
>> 
>> 73,
>> Don W3FPR
>> 
>> 
>>> On 9/16/2018 8:05 PM, Cliff Clark wrote:
>>> I love my KX2, and I thought I would use the TX only CW code to practice,
>>> but I'm having a problem.
>>> 
>>> I turn Vox off so there is no RF out.
>>> 
>>> I'm sending some letters like L that end up as ED, or something an R ends
>>> up EN.  The sound emitted by the radio seems right though.  I even
>> recorded
>>> it in Audacity on my laptop, and the waveform looks perfect, but the
>> decode
>>> is sometimes right, and sometimes not.
>>> 
>> 
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From kevinr at coho.net  Mon Sep 17 00:10:04 2018
From: kevinr at coho.net (kevinr)
Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2018 21:10:04 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Report
Message-ID: <108e4b25-da7e-0574-c1ae-5af780f4cedb@coho.net>

Good Evening,

 ??? Conditions were poor.? I was only able to work a few folks on each 
band.? Twenty meters was going places I haven't visited in a long time.? 
But nabbing Kansas on forty meters was even more odd. I ran both nets a 
little off frequency but QRM was a major problem on forty.? I had worked 
through the preamble when someone started tuning and kept tuning up for 
about five minutes.? That's not so difficult to get through but then he 
started calling CQ zero beat to me.? I tried closing down the filters 
and shifting off frequency a bit but could only get rid of some of his 
signal.? It also became difficult to determine who was answering which 
call. However, that also makes me work harder at getting you in my log.


 ? On 14050.5 kHz at 2200z:

K5PD - Al - TX

W0EAR - Don - MN


 ? On 7044.5 kHz at 0000z:

K6PJV - Dale - CA

W6JHB - Jim - CA

KW6G - Chas - CA

AC0E - Jim - KS

N6BS - Bill - CA

 ?? I may need to move the second net's frequency because of continued 
QRM.? 0.5 kHz may not be enough.? I have had deliberate QRM a few times 
in the past but I think this guy just can't hear me or any other person 
on the net.? However, winter is coming and the bands will change as the 
sun sets earlier.? With the changing seasons and its associated change 
in paths the nets should get easier.

 ?? Until next week,

 ????? 73,

 ???????? Kevin.? KD5ONS


-


From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Mon Sep 17 01:07:03 2018
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2018 22:07:03 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Entertaining Tales
In-Reply-To: <1223686843.14814568.1537138665255.JavaMail.root@starpower.net>
References: <1223686843.14814568.1537138665255.JavaMail.root@starpower.net>
Message-ID: <631c6431-4193-ab02-8403-a901356acc79@audiosystemsgroup.com>

Exactly right.? In other words, principles that have been proven by the 
scientific method. As a scientist, I have always believed that if you 
think there's a difference between theory and practice, you don't know 
enough about one or the other. That is, you don't understand the 
problem, or you don't understand the known science. Most REAL problems 
and systems are complex, whether technical or political or financial or 
business.

As Don said, there ARE things that we as a civilization haven't learned 
yet, and the complex effects of solar radiation are one of those things 
we know SOMETHING, but not everything, about.

On the other hand, there are all sorts of things, everything from 
science to politics, to interpersonal relationships to how business 
works that we as individuals have not taken the time to learn, but that 
ARE clearly understood by those who have taken the time to study them. 
And the fact that we as individuals haven't yet learned them does not 
make those things any less true.

How antennas and transmission lines work has been clearly understood by 
those who have taken the time to study them for nearly 100 years. But 
for someone who hasn't done that, it can seem like black magic.

73, Jim K9YC

On 9/16/2018 3:57 PM, donovanf at starpower.net wrote:
> Hi Bob,
>
>
> You and W4MLE (SK) are both correct about antenna and propagation
> theory, based on the universally accepted definition used in science and
> engineering:
>
>
> Theory: a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural
> world, based on a body of facts that have been repeatedly confirmed
> through observation and experiment.
>
>
> 73
> Frank
> W3LPL
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: "Bob DeHaney" <bobdehaney at gmx.net>
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2018 8:21:45 PM
> Subject: [Elecraft] Entertaining Tales
>
> As my Elmer W4MLE told me in about 1961, Antenna and Propagation Theory are just that, theory. Now waiting on my KX3 as we fly to IS0 next week for 15 days. Listen for IS0/DJ0RD ?

From kl7cw at mtaonline.net  Mon Sep 17 01:44:43 2018
From: kl7cw at mtaonline.net (Frederick Dwight)
Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2018 21:44:43 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] loss of RX  sensitivity
Message-ID: <20180917054706808@smtp687.redcondor.net>

Scott,
     The problem you describe is actually quite common in electronics.  In the telephone industry, especially in the ?good old days? with wire cables, sometimes with many splices it was common to get drop outs.  These could be due to a splice, wire wrap connection, oxidized relay contact or whatever, especially with only low level signals.  If the circuit also had a DC voltage on it, the problem often did not exist.  In fact it was common on critical circuits for the FAA or military, or whatever to sometimes just put ?sealing current? on certain circuits just to be sure it was reliable.  Often we used 24 volts DC or less with only a few ma of current.  At one time I had many phased verticals which were controlled by many relays.  Occasionally the received signal would drop by many S units.  Sending a single dot, even with QRP or QRPP power always cleared the problem, sometimes for weeks or months.  So it could be a connection in the antenna system, a plug on a circuit board, or even a relay.  I have never experienced trouble with Elecraft relays personally.  Sometimes PL-259 center pins are not correctly soldered, and can present similar symptoms.  You could try a random wire, or even something like an 80 meter dipole on 30 meters, just to see if it was anywhere in the antenna system.  Even a volt or two is often enough to punch through a poor solder or oxidized connection, but even something like a 0 dBm signal is just not enough.  I have identified problems with BNC connectors and adaptors purchased at ham flea markets which are just not reliable and are probably factory rejects.  So look into your antenna system before you dig into your rig.  You could also hook a signal generator to the rig and see if it receives OK on all bands with something like less than an S9 signal.  Be sure to not transmit into your generator, and/or set your tx to very low power.  Good Luck   Rick  KL7CW

Sent from Mail for Windows 10


From indians at xsmail.com  Mon Sep 17 05:24:51 2018
From: indians at xsmail.com (Petr Ourednik)
Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2018 11:24:51 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] Internal clock delay
In-Reply-To: <2AEF67FE-73CB-481B-A341-259B2C22D5EE@widomaker.com>
References: <1536263348756-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<2AEF67FE-73CB-481B-A341-259B2C22D5EE@widomaker.com>
Message-ID: <1537176291.3177655.1510514248.42F1D2AE@webmail.messagingengine.com>

Hi Bill and others,

many thanks for all responses.
Well my K3 is fully loaded so there is not so much empty space inside :)
But yes, as Bill suggested I will plan to replace it during the xmas holiday this year probably.

I did not noticed the delay of the cockpit time in the past so it seems like cell is dying maybe.
I still have the 1kHz roofing filters on the shelf waiting for installation so maybe it is the right
time to kill two birds with one stone...

best regards,
Petr, OK1RP


On Sat, Sep 15, 2018, at 12:29 AM, Nr4c wrote:
> Might not hurt to replace it. Bout time!
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> ...nr4c. bill
> 
> 
> > On Sep 6, 2018, at 3:49 PM, Petr, OK1RP/M0SIS <indians at xsmail.com> wrote:
> > 
> > Hi, 
> > 
> > sorry for stupid question. 
> > 
> > The internal clock seems to delaying for couple of mins during few months on
> > my K3 (built mid 2008). 
> > 
> > Does it means that an internal battery cell life in my K3 is ending?
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > -----
> > 73 - Petr, OK1RP 
> > "Apple & Elecraft freak" 
> > B:http://ok1rp.blogspot.com
> > G+:http://goo.gl/w3u2s9
> > G+: http://goo.gl/gP99xq
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From nr4c at widomaker.com  Mon Sep 17 06:06:05 2018
From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c)
Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2018 06:06:05 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] CW Transmit Text Decode is off
In-Reply-To: <CALbYrpa8gZ5d0sXoR-ZGLoujzDAJXLadnBrvDz-pB=wsnKXVng@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALbYrpa8gZ5d0sXoR-ZGLoujzDAJXLadnBrvDz-pB=wsnKXVng@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA1E129A-5564-4E4E-95C6-4A84199B651F@widomaker.com>

The decode is rather persnickety. Your ears might not hear it but I suspect your sending is just not perfect enough to satisfy the decoder. 

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill


> On Sep 16, 2018, at 8:05 PM, Cliff Clark <cliff at cliffclark.net> wrote:
> 
> I love my KX2, and I thought I would use the TX only CW code to practice,
> but I'm having a problem.
> 
> I turn Vox off so there is no RF out.
> 
> I'm sending some letters like L that end up as ED, or something an R ends
> up EN.  The sound emitted by the radio seems right though.  I even recorded
> it in Audacity on my laptop, and the waveform looks perfect, but the decode
> is sometimes right, and sometimes not.
> 
> Is this just the way it works, or am I just bad at sending?  (or maybe both
> :-)
> 
> I think I'll have to disable the CW decode for now.
> 
> Any ideas?
> 
> Thanks,
> Cliff (AG7CC)
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From rich at wc3t.us  Mon Sep 17 07:29:44 2018
From: rich at wc3t.us (rich hurd WC3T)
Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2018 07:29:44 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] loss of RX sensitivity
In-Reply-To: <20180917054706808@smtp687.redcondor.net>
References: <20180917054706808@smtp687.redcondor.net>
Message-ID: <CABYU7WijYwiF9NuD64zVyCUL0m+v=GBQe+0MFi-0BVGeQ0R-Ng@mail.gmail.com>

I guess that?s the electronic equivalent of blowing through a tube to clear
the blockage.  :)

On Mon, Sep 17, 2018 at 01:44 Frederick Dwight <kl7cw at mtaonline.net> wrote:

> Scott,
>      The problem you describe is actually quite common in electronics.  In
> the telephone industry, especially in the ?good old days? with wire cables,
> sometimes with many splices it was common to get drop outs.  These could be
> due to a splice, wire wrap connection, oxidized relay contact or whatever,
> especially with only low level signals.  If the circuit also had a DC
> voltage on it, the problem often did not exist.  In fact it was common on
> critical circuits for the FAA or military, or whatever to sometimes just
> put ?sealing current? on certain circuits just to be sure it was reliable.
> Often we used 24 volts DC or less with only a few ma of current.  At one
> time I had many phased verticals which were controlled by many relays.
> Occasionally the received signal would drop by many S units.  Sending a
> single dot, even with QRP or QRPP power always cleared the problem,
> sometimes for weeks or months.  So it could be a connection in the antenna
> system, a plug on a circuit board, or even a relay.  I have never
> experienced trouble with Elecraft relays personally.  Sometimes PL-259
> center pins are not correctly soldered, and can present similar symptoms.
> You could try a random wire, or even something like an 80 meter dipole on
> 30 meters, just to see if it was anywhere in the antenna system.  Even a
> volt or two is often enough to punch through a poor solder or oxidized
> connection, but even something like a 0 dBm signal is just not enough.  I
> have identified problems with BNC connectors and adaptors purchased at ham
> flea markets which are just not reliable and are probably factory rejects.
> So look into your antenna system before you dig into your rig.  You could
> also hook a signal generator to the rig and see if it receives OK on all
> bands with something like less than an S9 signal.  Be sure to not transmit
> into your generator, and/or set your tx to very low power.  Good Luck
>  Rick  KL7CW
>
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>
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*FN20is*

From a.durbin at msn.com  Mon Sep 17 10:16:56 2018
From: a.durbin at msn.com (ANDY DURBIN)
Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2018 14:16:56 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Entertaining Tales
Message-ID: <MW2PR16MB23620B4B5BB9292893EB44888C1E0@MW2PR16MB2362.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>

"How antennas and transmission lines work has been clearly understood by those who have taken the time to study them for nearly 100 years."


Quite a small group then. Few with an interest in the subject would live long enough.


73,

Andy k3wyc

From ardrhi at gmail.com  Mon Sep 17 11:10:16 2018
From: ardrhi at gmail.com (Gwen Patton)
Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2018 11:10:16 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] loss of RX sensitivity
In-Reply-To: <CABYU7WijYwiF9NuD64zVyCUL0m+v=GBQe+0MFi-0BVGeQ0R-Ng@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20180917054706808@smtp687.redcondor.net>
	<CABYU7WijYwiF9NuD64zVyCUL0m+v=GBQe+0MFi-0BVGeQ0R-Ng@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+nQa2MEAwxx1fnLe4znfe1Wv3YmdP3e7KfrOPhDHRd2emdzYQ@mail.gmail.com>

Reminds me of having to blow on the contacts in a Nintendo game cartridge
to make it work in the console. ;)

On Mon, Sep 17, 2018 at 7:31 AM rich hurd WC3T <rich at wc3t.us> wrote:

> I guess that?s the electronic equivalent of blowing through a tube to clear
> the blockage.  :)
>
> On Mon, Sep 17, 2018 at 01:44 Frederick Dwight <kl7cw at mtaonline.net>
> wrote:
>
> > Scott,
> >      The problem you describe is actually quite common in electronics.
> In
> > the telephone industry, especially in the ?good old days? with wire
> cables,
> > sometimes with many splices it was common to get drop outs.  These could
> be
> > due to a splice, wire wrap connection, oxidized relay contact or
> whatever,
> > especially with only low level signals.  If the circuit also had a DC
> > voltage on it, the problem often did not exist.  In fact it was common on
> > critical circuits for the FAA or military, or whatever to sometimes just
> > put ?sealing current? on certain circuits just to be sure it was
> reliable.
> > Often we used 24 volts DC or less with only a few ma of current.  At one
> > time I had many phased verticals which were controlled by many relays.
> > Occasionally the received signal would drop by many S units.  Sending a
> > single dot, even with QRP or QRPP power always cleared the problem,
> > sometimes for weeks or months.  So it could be a connection in the
> antenna
> > system, a plug on a circuit board, or even a relay.  I have never
> > experienced trouble with Elecraft relays personally.  Sometimes PL-259
> > center pins are not correctly soldered, and can present similar symptoms.
> > You could try a random wire, or even something like an 80 meter dipole on
> > 30 meters, just to see if it was anywhere in the antenna system.  Even a
> > volt or two is often enough to punch through a poor solder or oxidized
> > connection, but even something like a 0 dBm signal is just not enough.  I
> > have identified problems with BNC connectors and adaptors purchased at
> ham
> > flea markets which are just not reliable and are probably factory
> rejects.
> > So look into your antenna system before you dig into your rig.  You could
> > also hook a signal generator to the rig and see if it receives OK on all
> > bands with something like less than an S9 signal.  Be sure to not
> transmit
> > into your generator, and/or set your tx to very low power.  Good Luck
> >  Rick  KL7CW
> >
> > Sent from Mail for Windows 10
> >
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From pubx1 at af2z.net  Mon Sep 17 12:20:11 2018
From: pubx1 at af2z.net (Drew AF2Z)
Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2018 12:20:11 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] loss of RX sensitivity
In-Reply-To: <20180917054706808@smtp687.redcondor.net>
References: <20180917054706808@smtp687.redcondor.net>
Message-ID: <66be949a-6ebc-8f33-dc01-4f07757f37f1@af2z.net>

I used that trick to keep my DSL line running for a couple of years when 
Verizon was abandoning copper and no longer interested in doing 
maintenance. Placing a resistor across the telephone line would draw a 
constant small current, not enough to off-hook the line but enough to 
"seal" the poor connection, wherever it was, and improve the noise margin.

Regarding the PL-259 center pin-- it's also important to check the 
connection between the threaded shell and the body of the plug. That is 
a common and overlooked connection point subject to poor connection.

Note that there is no electrical connection through the threads on the 
plug body and the threads on the shell; these threads are merely a stop 
to keep the shell from sliding down the cable when not connected to the 
SO-239 on the equipment.

The electrical connection occurs through the lip at the back of the 
shell which butts against the threaded region on the plug. The area of 
this thin ring of contact is pretty small so it's important that the 
mating surfaces are entirely clean and free of corrosion.

It may help to disconnect the cable, then hold the back of the plug in 
one hand (where the cable enters it), then pull on the shell with the 
other hand, toward the pin end, as if trying to pull it off the plug; 
while maintaining this pressure, twist the shell vigorously. That will 
help clean the mating surfaces, especially if the plug is not silver 
plated but that cheap "shiny metal" stuff a lot of plugs have now. Also 
do this with all jumpers between SWR meter, matchbox, etc.


73,
Drew
AF2Z



On 09/17/18 01:44, Frederick Dwight wrote:
> Scott,
>       The problem you describe is actually quite common in electronics.  In the telephone industry, especially in the ?good old days? with wire cables, sometimes with many splices it was common to get drop outs.  These could be due to a splice, wire wrap connection, oxidized relay contact or whatever, especially with only low level signals.  If the circuit also had a DC voltage on it, the problem often did not exist.  In fact it was common on critical circuits for the FAA or military, or whatever to sometimes just put ?sealing current? on certain circuits just to be sure it was reliable.  Often we used 24 volts DC or less with only a few ma of current.  At one time I had many phased verticals which were controlled by many relays.  Occasionally the received signal would drop by many S units.  Sending a single dot, even with QRP or QRPP power always cleared the problem, sometimes for weeks or months.  So it could be a connection in the antenna system, a plug on a circuit board, or even a relay.  I have never experienced trouble with Elecraft relays personally.  Sometimes PL-259 center pins are not correctly soldered, and can present similar symptoms.  You could try a random wire, or even something like an 80 meter dipole on 30 meters, just to see if it was anywhere in the antenna system.  Even a volt or two is often enough to punch through a poor solder or oxidized connection, but even something like a 0 dBm signal is just not enough.  I have identified problems with BNC connectors and adaptors purchased at ham flea markets which are just not reliable and are probably factory rejects.  So look into your antenna system before you dig into your rig.  You could also hook a signal generator to the rig and see if it receives OK on all bands with something like less than an S9 signal.  Be sure to not transmit into your generator, and/or set your tx to very low power.  Good Luck   Rick  KL7CW
> 
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From ardrhi at gmail.com  Mon Sep 17 12:28:32 2018
From: ardrhi at gmail.com (Gwen Patton)
Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2018 12:28:32 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Antenna theory...
Message-ID: <CA+nQa2MCmXE1p8g9KznPPLevx_ifS=1iZ3SfUC=5spsbk7batQ@mail.gmail.com>

When I saw the "it's just a THEORY" post go by, I sat down and wrote a
reply, because it really pushed my buttons. I keep trying to get rid of
this pet peeve, but like in Steven King's "Pet Sematary", it keeps finding
its way home again. I wrote that reply, but then I deleted it, because I
figured I'd just be screaming into the wind yet again, and didn't want to
alienate anyone with my pedantic diatribe.

Then something odd happened.

The next post was pretty much what I had written. A tad SHORTER, but still
the same basic idea. Then there was another one. And another. I found that
had I posted that original post, it would have found kindred spirits. But I
self-censored to avoid "issues". I find that I shouldn't have done that. So
I'm going to recreate that post. Lest I go too far afield, here's what I'm
responding to, Bob's reminiscence on something his Elmer said: *"As my
Elmer W4MLE told me in about 1961, Antenna and Propagation Theory are just
that, theory."*

There are two common usages of the term "theory": the scientific, and the
popular. One is a technical tool describing the collective knowledge of the
scientific community regarding an aspect of reality under study. The other
is a disparagement of that process and an attempt to belittle the
accomplishments, so contrary ideas can supplant those theories. It hinges
on the deliberate misunderstanding of the term.

A "theory", to a scientist, is a statement regarding how we think the
universe works, with regards to a specific phenomenon. It is arrived at by
stating a supposition, then creating experiments to test the supposition in
an attempt to either prove or disprove it. If it is proven by the
experiment, further experiments are designed to refine the evidence, to
discover the extent to which this understanding of reality goes, and, if
possible, to find flaws with the experimental conclusions. A "theory" is,
therefore, the best knowledge we have regarding something, based upon
experiment and observations. What it is NOT, is how the POPULAR definition
of "theory" would have us believe.

In short, the popular definition of "theory" is: *A wild-assed GUESS.*

In this definition, if the scientific assertion was actually correct, you'd
just call it a FACT. Since you WON'T call it a fact, but call it a theory,
you must not be certain of it. It must still be, in your mind, just a
GUESS. But that's not the actual definition of a theory. The "wild-assed
guess" in that equation is something called a *hypothesis.* That's the
assertion you START with, not the conclusion you FINISH with. But the
people who say "oh, that's just a *theory*" don't care. They want the
theory to go away, so they can assert their own wild-assed guess and claim
it to be fact, unopposed by some unfair *theory* thing. They want to
declare things to be facts by *consensus,* or by holding a *vote.* Famously,
this was the subject of an April Fool's hoax regarding an attempt to
declare pi equal to exactly three in Alabama, because of the Biblical
dimensions of Solomon's baptismal font ("ten cubits in radius, thirty
cubits in circumference, and round in compass"). This was as I said, an
April Fool's article, and did not happen. It DID, however, actually happen
in INDIANA, House Bill #246, proposed in 1897, and based on the
calculations of an amateur mathematician named Edwin J. Goodwin. It did not
pass, primarily because Goodwin was a total loon who couldn't do simple
math. The concept was even parodied in Robert A. Heinlein's book "Stranger
in a Strange Land".

But that's how a lot of people want to run modern day science -- by a show
of hands, not a show of evidence. But in order to do this, the concept of a
theory has to be reduced to something that can be dismissed out of hand. So
they replace the meaning of "theory" with the meaning of "hypothesis", and
like the quarter the magician made disappear at your sixth birthday, made
"hypothesis" disappear. I can't prove it, but I think they just couldn't
pronounce "hypothesis" and said "I'll just use 'theory' instead --
hypothesis is just Greek for theory, after all!" So now you have people who
will utterly ignore years and decades of experiment and evidence with a
wave of a hand and a disparaging "oh, that's just some THEORY! I'm talking
about FACT here!"

It IS true that there can be a great deal of distance between "theory" and
"practice", but that's not a disparagement of the theory, that's a
commentary on our ability to make abstracts tangible. This is the
fundamental difference between science and engineering. Science defines how
the UNIVERSE does something. Engineering defines how PEOPLE do something,
which is a whole other kettle of kimchee.

Theory isn't something subordinate to fact. It is a realistic view of fact
based upon our necessarily-limited ability to understand how the Universe
does things. We frequently assert things as fact, only to be smacked in the
face with evidence that it ISN'T fact, and never was. For example, the atom
is NOT the smallest indivisible particle of matter, no matter how many pulp
sci-fi stories said so back in the early 1900's, which goes to show you
that the popular belief, no matter how elegant, common-sense, or
widely-believed it is, usually turns out NOT to actually be "fact" after
all. Lots of people believed the Earth was the center of the Universe, and
the sun and planets revolved around it. Heck, there was even this really
huge established consensus on it. All the philosophers agreed that the sun
revolved around the Earth, and that anyone who said otherwise was just a
big FIBBER (and a heretic...burn the heretic!) who should just be quiet and
let the consensus win.

Yes, antenna theory is just theory...but that doesn't invalidate antenna
theory. It might, however, invalidate someone's beliefs or some group's
consensus. And just because someone might be bad at using the theory to
make a good antenna does not indict the theory. It indicts that person's
engineering ability. Nothing more.

Just as we shouldn't arrive at scientific conclusions by consensus, we
shouldn't invalidate the results of calculation, experiment, and
observation with dismissive false dichotomies and popular consensus either.

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From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Mon Sep 17 12:59:00 2018
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2018 12:59:00 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] loss of RX sensitivity
In-Reply-To: <66be949a-6ebc-8f33-dc01-4f07757f37f1@af2z.net>
References: <20180917054706808@smtp687.redcondor.net>
	<66be949a-6ebc-8f33-dc01-4f07757f37f1@af2z.net>
Message-ID: <a73c2b4c-8ead-d1eb-aa5c-92c35351524e@embarqmail.com>

Drew and all,

I beg to differ, unless you meant something different than I read.
The threads on a PL-259 connector are the only thing that connects the 
coax shield to the SO-239 jack.

That is why hand tightening of PL-259 connectors is not sufficient.  Use 
pliers to snug them up just a bit more to assure a good connection.

BNC and N connectors do not have a similar requirement.  They will make 
positive contact without being tightened.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 9/17/2018 12:20 PM, Drew AF2Z wrote:

> 
> Note that there is no electrical connection through the threads on the 
> plug body and the threads on the shell; these threads are merely a stop 
> to keep the shell from sliding down the cable when not connected to the 
> SO-239 on the equipment.
> 

From iann8ik at gmail.com  Mon Sep 17 13:23:42 2018
From: iann8ik at gmail.com (Ian)
Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2018 13:23:42 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] loss of RX sensitivity
In-Reply-To: <a73c2b4c-8ead-d1eb-aa5c-92c35351524e@embarqmail.com>
References: <20180917054706808@smtp687.redcondor.net>
	<66be949a-6ebc-8f33-dc01-4f07757f37f1@af2z.net>
	<a73c2b4c-8ead-d1eb-aa5c-92c35351524e@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAMmwFPo-vVOWcXJfiDfrC=4e36vf-voSXwt4Gm1qCnUugQbpog@mail.gmail.com>

Real easy to see on a spectrum analyzer with a tracking generator.  The
trace goes wild as soon as you start turning the PL-259 connector by hand
(please don't use pliers on your SA).
73, Ian N8IK


On Mon, Sep 17, 2018 at 12:59 PM, Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com>
wrote:

> Drew and all,
>
> I beg to differ, unless you meant something different than I read.
> The threads on a PL-259 connector are the only thing that connects the
> coax shield to the SO-239 jack.
>
> That is why hand tightening of PL-259 connectors is not sufficient.  Use
> pliers to snug them up just a bit more to assure a good connection.
>
> BNC and N connectors do not have a similar requirement.  They will make
> positive contact without being tightened.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 9/17/2018 12:20 PM, Drew AF2Z wrote:
>
>
>> Note that there is no electrical connection through the threads on the
>> plug body and the threads on the shell; these threads are merely a stop to
>> keep the shell from sliding down the cable when not connected to the SO-239
>> on the equipment.
>>
>> ______________________________________________________________
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From johnae5x at gmail.com  Mon Sep 17 13:58:37 2018
From: johnae5x at gmail.com (John Harper)
Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2018 12:58:37 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 & Mavic Air - perfect together
Message-ID: <CAPHmH=PL6FXsML7ecrVRgfGH9v37mKBNBN1PMMLCsrxUpxJ=ng@mail.gmail.com>

I had a great time with two dissimilar toys this past Saturday - the KX2
and a quadcopter that's almost exactly the same size as the KX2.

CW activity was plentiful thanks to a variety of events taking place over
the weekend and I gained a new appreciation for the KX2, even using it on
phone - a rarity for me.

After trying several solutions, the KX2/autotuner remains the easiest way
to get on the air quickly with a minimum of set-up.

https://ae5x.blogspot.com/2018/09/video-outdoor-qrp-with-kx2-mavic-air.html

John AE5X

From gsochor at interaccess.com  Mon Sep 17 14:34:57 2018
From: gsochor at interaccess.com (Gene Sochor)
Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2018 13:34:57 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] FOR SALE-K3/100F w/P3F
Message-ID: <201809171835.w8HIZ71l014175@mail41c28.carrierzone.com>


From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Mon Sep 17 15:44:37 2018
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2018 12:44:37 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] loss of RX sensitivity
In-Reply-To: <66be949a-6ebc-8f33-dc01-4f07757f37f1@af2z.net>
References: <20180917054706808@smtp687.redcondor.net>
	<66be949a-6ebc-8f33-dc01-4f07757f37f1@af2z.net>
Message-ID: <23c34601-8c02-e4a7-0cd1-ffa2748fa971@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On 9/17/2018 9:20 AM, Drew AF2Z wrote:
> Note that there is no electrical connection through the threads on the 
> plug body and the threads on the shell; these threads are merely a 
> stop to keep the shell from sliding down the cable when not connected 
> to the SO-239 on the equipment.

This is simply not true. The entire PL259 body and shell and the entire 
mating body are part of the connection. What IS correct is that 1) the 
connectors must be properly installed both to the coax and the 
equipment, and 2) that the shell must be well tightened, often described 
as "wrench tight," with the pins on the PL259 firmly seated in the 
notches in the mating connector. I'm being generic about mating 
connectors because it's equally true of SO239 and other connectors like 
barrels, elbows, tees, and inter-series adapters.

73, Jim K9YC


From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Mon Sep 17 16:10:28 2018
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2018 15:10:28 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] loss of RX sensitivity
In-Reply-To: <23c34601-8c02-e4a7-0cd1-ffa2748fa971@audiosystemsgroup.com>
References: <20180917054706808@smtp687.redcondor.net>
	<66be949a-6ebc-8f33-dc01-4f07757f37f1@af2z.net>
	<23c34601-8c02-e4a7-0cd1-ffa2748fa971@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Message-ID: <83F659CB-3DB1-40C2-AD11-11A6F3D05AE5@blomand.net>

Yes, regardless of how good they look, always snug the PL-259 with a small pair of Channel Lock pliers.  Finger tight is not good enough.   Many of our connectors today are of inferior quality.  

Also due to the use of jumpers, the flexing and pulling is prone to damage the connection between the coax and connector.  Always suspect the jumper and icon doubt, replace it.  AND if you find one defective or in question, immediately cut it in two pieces. Thus it won't be used or confused again.  

Bob, K4TAX


Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 17, 2018, at 2:44 PM, Jim Brown <jim at audiosystemsgroup.com> wrote:
> 
>> On 9/17/2018 9:20 AM, Drew AF2Z wrote:
>> Note that there is no electrical connection through the threads on the plug body and the threads on the shell; these threads are merely a stop to keep the shell from sliding down the cable when not connected to the SO-239 on the equipment.
> 
> This is simply not true. The entire PL259 body and shell and the entire mating body are part of the connection. What IS correct is that 1) the connectors must be properly installed both to the coax and the equipment, and 2) that the shell must be well tightened, often described as "wrench tight," with the pins on the PL259 firmly seated in the notches in the mating connector. I'm being generic about mating connectors because it's equally true of SO239 and other connectors like barrels, elbows, tees, and inter-series adapters.
> 
> 73, Jim K9YC
> 
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From w1zk at comcast.net  Mon Sep 17 16:25:15 2018
From: w1zk at comcast.net (Ralph McClintock)
Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2018 16:25:15 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] FS: Mint Sept 2017 FB KX3 with all accessories -SOLD
Message-ID: <3082f2d9-1340-a2ac-a222-b098faa91055@comcast.net>

Tnx,? Ken K5KFW

Ralph W1ZK

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From doc.lock at mail.fast-mail.net  Mon Sep 17 16:26:57 2018
From: doc.lock at mail.fast-mail.net (Peter Lock)
Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2018 21:26:57 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Programmable set of LINE IN
Message-ID: <001e01d44ec4$c8c9ec60$5a5dc520$@fast-mail.net>

It would be convenient for me to be able to use a macro command to adjust
the LINE IN level in data modes, similar to the MG command to adjust
microphone gain in SSB.  I see this topic has been aired sporadically in the
past; the last post I could find was in January this year by Dan AE9K but I
could not find an answer.   If it is not currently possible, could it be
considered for a future firmware release, please?

 

Peter

M0RYB


From c-hawley at illinois.edu  Mon Sep 17 17:05:52 2018
From: c-hawley at illinois.edu (hawley, charles j jr)
Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2018 21:05:52 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] loss of RX sensitivity
In-Reply-To: <23c34601-8c02-e4a7-0cd1-ffa2748fa971@audiosystemsgroup.com>
References: <20180917054706808@smtp687.redcondor.net>
	<66be949a-6ebc-8f33-dc01-4f07757f37f1@af2z.net>,
	<23c34601-8c02-e4a7-0cd1-ffa2748fa971@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Message-ID: <276D3D6C9D5C8C4484211E9839FDE1AB4A2FCF32@CITESMBX5.ad.uillinois.edu>

I've found that wiggling the body of the plug while tightening the threads makes the pl259 quite tight with the pins firmly seated in the notches. The motion allows the pins to find the deepest well of the notch.

Chuck Hawley
 c-hawley at illinois.edu

 Amateur Radio, KE9UW
 aka Jack, BMW Motorcycles
________________________________________
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] on behalf of Jim Brown [jim at audiosystemsgroup.com]
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 2:44 PM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] loss of RX sensitivity

On 9/17/2018 9:20 AM, Drew AF2Z wrote:
> Note that there is no electrical connection through the threads on the
> plug body and the threads on the shell; these threads are merely a
> stop to keep the shell from sliding down the cable when not connected
> to the SO-239 on the equipment.

This is simply not true. The entire PL259 body and shell and the entire
mating body are part of the connection. What IS correct is that 1) the
connectors must be properly installed both to the coax and the
equipment, and 2) that the shell must be well tightened, often described
as "wrench tight," with the pins on the PL259 firmly seated in the
notches in the mating connector. I'm being generic about mating
connectors because it's equally true of SO239 and other connectors like
barrels, elbows, tees, and inter-series adapters.

73, Jim K9YC

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From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Mon Sep 17 18:22:19 2018
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2018 18:22:19 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] loss of RX sensitivity
In-Reply-To: <276D3D6C9D5C8C4484211E9839FDE1AB4A2FCF32@CITESMBX5.ad.uillinois.edu>
References: <20180917054706808@smtp687.redcondor.net>
	<66be949a-6ebc-8f33-dc01-4f07757f37f1@af2z.net>
	<23c34601-8c02-e4a7-0cd1-ffa2748fa971@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<276D3D6C9D5C8C4484211E9839FDE1AB4A2FCF32@CITESMBX5.ad.uillinois.edu>
Message-ID: <a5ad1966-c381-98b8-fd64-8b54d59f7ed9@embarqmail.com>

Chuck,

That is true, but is ignoring the fact that the threads of the PL259 are 
providing the only contact with the SO239.  They must be solidly tight 
for reliable conductivity to the shield of the coax.  All contact from 
the SO239 to the coax shield is by pressure contact.  Finger tight may 
"work", but unless one has very strong fingers, that is not tight enough 
to assure a good connection.

A parallel is putting a locking nut on a screw by using a 2nd nut - 
often done if you want to use the screw as an axle, like putting the 
screw through a hinge (think a trailer rear gate).  If you put the 2nd 
nut on the screw with only finger pressure, it will likely back off with 
slight vibration and twisting nullifying the locking effect.  OTOH, if 
you fasten the two nuts together with a slight twist of the wrenches, 
the two nuts will not move and will remain locked together.  It is not 
the friction between the 2 nuts that does it, but there is a slight 
elongation of the screw threads that keeps significant pressure on the 
two nuts to keep them together.

The same principle applies to a PL-259 to SO-239 thread engagement.

We may have "gotten away" with only finger tight in the past, but is one 
possible cause of failure.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 9/17/2018 5:05 PM, hawley, charles j jr wrote:
> I've found that wiggling the body of the plug while tightening the threads makes the pl259 quite tight with the pins firmly seated in the notches. The motion allows the pins to find the deepest well of the notch.
> 

From gsochor at interaccess.com  Mon Sep 17 18:33:56 2018
From: gsochor at interaccess.com (Gene Sochor)
Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2018 17:33:56 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] For Sale:  K3100-F and P3-F
Message-ID: <201809172234.w8HMY4Ob010023@mail42c28.carrierzone.com>

Fully loaded K3/100 with P3, both factory assembled, still sealed in 
original plastic wrap and cartons, brand new as it was when purchased 
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A DXer/Contesters dream:

The K3 is s/n 6587, with the following factory installed configuration:

KAT3-F ATU
KTCXO3-1 TCXO
KXV3A DRX Ant, IF out and Xverter interface
KRX3-F Second receiver
KXBPF3 General Coverage DRX module installed in 2nd receiver position
KDVR3 Digital Voice Recordere
K144XV-100-F 2 meter Module
K144RFLK REFLOCK for 2 meter module
K3SSKT stainless steel hardware

The following filters are intdalled as follows:

Main RX:  250Hz, 400Hz, 1kHz, 2.1kHz, 2.8kHz
Second RX: 400Hz, 1kHz, 2.8kHz, 6kHz

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Total original cost was $6,398.49

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                  PO Box 413, Wayne, IL 60184-0413
                  gsochor at interaccess.com 


From a.durbin at msn.com  Mon Sep 17 18:39:45 2018
From: a.durbin at msn.com (ANDY DURBIN)
Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2018 22:39:45 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] loss of RX sensitivity
Message-ID: <MW2PR16MB2362DF4880EF3F1FA5F0F24C8C1E0@MW2PR16MB2362.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>

" the threads of the PL259 are providing the only contact with the SO239"


In the connectors that you are mating how do you prevent contact between the end face of the PL259 body and the end face of the SO239 body? You would need an insulating spacer for your statement to be true.


73,

Andy k3wyc



From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Mon Sep 17 19:41:02 2018
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2018 19:41:02 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] loss of RX sensitivity
In-Reply-To: <MW2PR16MB2362DF4880EF3F1FA5F0F24C8C1E0@MW2PR16MB2362.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
References: <MW2PR16MB2362DF4880EF3F1FA5F0F24C8C1E0@MW2PR16MB2362.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <f8afc115-cb00-1c12-05c5-6c193b589fbc@embarqmail.com>

Andy,

The PL259 to SO239 connector "end face" contact is provided only by 
pressure - it is not a sliding contact as you would find in a BNC or an 
N connector.  The pressure is provided only by the tightening of the 
threaded portion of the PL259.

I ask you - just how much resistance can be expected if you just touch 
two ends of wires together without further positive contact?

The "insulating spacer" is any oxidation on either the SO239 or the 
PL259.  That is why I like silver plated UHF connectors.  They may look 
a bit corroded, but the silver oxide is conductive even though it can 
appear brown or black.  If you are shopping for UHF connectors at 
hamfests, avoid all those nickel-plated ones that a not Amphenol, but 
flock to those that are oxidized, and silver plated with Mil Spec 
designations on them.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 9/17/2018 6:39 PM, ANDY DURBIN wrote:
> " the threads of the PL259 are providing the only contact with the SO239"
> 
> 
> In the connectors that you are mating how do you prevent contact between the end face of the PL259 body and the end face of the SO239 body? You would need an insulating spacer for your statement to be true.

From wunder at wunderwood.org  Mon Sep 17 19:45:10 2018
From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood)
Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2018 16:45:10 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] loss of RX sensitivity
In-Reply-To: <f8afc115-cb00-1c12-05c5-6c193b589fbc@embarqmail.com>
References: <MW2PR16MB2362DF4880EF3F1FA5F0F24C8C1E0@MW2PR16MB2362.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
	<f8afc115-cb00-1c12-05c5-6c193b589fbc@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <CEF1DF11-28D1-4409-8023-4C4CA0C81B4A@wunderwood.org>

The next time someone challenges me on why I only use BNC and Type N connectors, I?m going to send them this entire discussion.

wunder
K6WRU
Walter Underwood
CM87wj
http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog)

> On Sep 17, 2018, at 4:41 PM, Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Andy,
> 
> The PL259 to SO239 connector "end face" contact is provided only by pressure - it is not a sliding contact as you would find in a BNC or an N connector.  The pressure is provided only by the tightening of the threaded portion of the PL259.
> 
> I ask you - just how much resistance can be expected if you just touch two ends of wires together without further positive contact?
> 
> The "insulating spacer" is any oxidation on either the SO239 or the PL259.  That is why I like silver plated UHF connectors.  They may look a bit corroded, but the silver oxide is conductive even though it can appear brown or black.  If you are shopping for UHF connectors at hamfests, avoid all those nickel-plated ones that a not Amphenol, but flock to those that are oxidized, and silver plated with Mil Spec designations on them.
> 
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
> 
> On 9/17/2018 6:39 PM, ANDY DURBIN wrote:
>> " the threads of the PL259 are providing the only contact with the SO239"
>> In the connectors that you are mating how do you prevent contact between the end face of the PL259 body and the end face of the SO239 body? You would need an insulating spacer for your statement to be true.
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From wes_n7ws at triconet.org  Mon Sep 17 19:46:28 2018
From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes Stewart)
Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2018 16:46:28 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] loss of RX sensitivity
In-Reply-To: <a5ad1966-c381-98b8-fd64-8b54d59f7ed9@embarqmail.com>
References: <20180917054706808@smtp687.redcondor.net>
	<66be949a-6ebc-8f33-dc01-4f07757f37f1@af2z.net>
	<23c34601-8c02-e4a7-0cd1-ffa2748fa971@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<276D3D6C9D5C8C4484211E9839FDE1AB4A2FCF32@CITESMBX5.ad.uillinois.edu>
	<a5ad1966-c381-98b8-fd64-8b54d59f7ed9@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <4edb4fb7-4dec-3b77-379d-7c147885aa6e@triconet.org>

This is one of those, "it depends" situations.? Depending on the location of the 
two center conductor insulators in the plug and socket, the serrated (toothed) 
surface of the female connector might well contact the mating plug surface, if 
there is a gap between the insulators. In fact the "tighten it with pliers" 
crowd might actually be forcing this connection and mistakenly believing that 
they are improving the connection via the threads.

Wes? N7WS

On 9/17/2018 3:22 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
> Chuck,
>
> That is true, but is ignoring the fact that the threads of the PL259 are 
> providing the only contact with the SO239.

From wes_n7ws at triconet.org  Mon Sep 17 19:52:04 2018
From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes Stewart)
Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2018 16:52:04 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] loss of RX sensitivity
In-Reply-To: <MW2PR16MB2362DF4880EF3F1FA5F0F24C8C1E0@MW2PR16MB2362.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
References: <MW2PR16MB2362DF4880EF3F1FA5F0F24C8C1E0@MW2PR16MB2362.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <ceb83556-0242-a797-6ec2-dde6b4744288@triconet.org>

Pretty much my point made in another post.

In fact, I often take a perverse view of these situations and ask myself, "Self, 
if you wanted to screw these two things together without the faces touching, how 
difficult would it be to do?"? And of course the answer is, almost impossible.

Wes? N7ws

On 9/17/2018 3:39 PM, ANDY DURBIN wrote:
> " the threads of the PL259 are providing the only contact with the SO239"
>
>
> In the connectors that you are mating how do you prevent contact between the end face of the PL259 body and the end face of the SO239 body? You would need an insulating spacer for your statement to be true.
>
>
> 73,
>
> Andy k3wyc
>
>


From donovanf at starpower.net  Mon Sep 17 20:04:52 2018
From: donovanf at starpower.net (donovanf at starpower.net)
Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2018 20:04:52 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Elecraft] loss of RX sensitivity
In-Reply-To: <CEF1DF11-28D1-4409-8023-4C4CA0C81B4A@wunderwood.org>
Message-ID: <1836022939.17530244.1537229092087.JavaMail.root@starpower.net>

If you have a vector network analyzer you'll discover that BNC 
connectors aren't all that great at VHF and above, l oss and 
impedance vary with connector axial alignment because the bayonnet 
shell doesn't support aligh the connector body very well. Strain relief 
is extremely important with BNC connectors. TNC connectors are 
far superior but not widely used. 


While professionally installed N connectors have superb RF 
characteristics, all too often they're improperly installed -- even by 
professionals -- leading to damaged connectors if the male pin is 
misaligned, or unreliable contact if the pin or socket depth is just a 
few millimeters less than the manufacturers specification. I use 
only captive pin male N connectors, avoiding the most severe 
problems. I never use female N connectors on cables, the N sockets 
are much too fragile. 


Its hard to beat high quality silver plated UHF connectors at HF and 
6 meters. But its important to use a tool to tighten them. That's a 
small price to pay for a very reliable connector. 


73 
Frank 
W3LPL 



----- Original Message -----

From: "Walter Underwood" <wunder at wunderwood.org> 
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net 
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 11:45:10 PM 
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] loss of RX sensitivity 

The next time someone challenges me on why I only use BNC and Type N connectors, I?m going to send them this entire discussion. 

wunder 
K6WRU 
Walter Underwood 
CM87wj 
http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) 

> On Sep 17, 2018, at 4:41 PM, Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com> wrote: 
> 
> Andy, 
> 
> The PL259 to SO239 connector "end face" contact is provided only by pressure - it is not a sliding contact as you would find in a BNC or an N connector. The pressure is provided only by the tightening of the threaded portion of the PL259. 
> 
> I ask you - just how much resistance can be expected if you just touch two ends of wires together without further positive contact? 
> 
> The "insulating spacer" is any oxidation on either the SO239 or the PL259. That is why I like silver plated UHF connectors. They may look a bit corroded, but the silver oxide is conductive even though it can appear brown or black. If you are shopping for UHF connectors at hamfests, avoid all those nickel-plated ones that a not Amphenol, but flock to those that are oxidized, and silver plated with Mil Spec designations on them. 
> 
> 73, 
> Don W3FPR 
> 
> On 9/17/2018 6:39 PM, ANDY DURBIN wrote: 
>> " the threads of the PL259 are providing the only contact with the SO239" 
>> In the connectors that you are mating how do you prevent contact between the end face of the PL259 body and the end face of the SO239 body? You would need an insulating spacer for your statement to be true. 
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From c-hawley at illinois.edu  Mon Sep 17 20:10:14 2018
From: c-hawley at illinois.edu (hawley, charles j jr)
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2018 00:10:14 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] loss of RX sensitivity
In-Reply-To: <CEF1DF11-28D1-4409-8023-4C4CA0C81B4A@wunderwood.org>
References: <MW2PR16MB2362DF4880EF3F1FA5F0F24C8C1E0@MW2PR16MB2362.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
	<f8afc115-cb00-1c12-05c5-6c193b589fbc@embarqmail.com>,
	<CEF1DF11-28D1-4409-8023-4C4CA0C81B4A@wunderwood.org>
Message-ID: <3F540CCA-95CC-4DDF-9E06-389F999D4B11@illinois.edu>

Trouble is I have to put adapters on the equipment and then go to bnc 

Chuck Jack 
KE9UW

Sent from my iPhone, cjack 

> On Sep 17, 2018, at 6:46 PM, Walter Underwood <wunder at wunderwood.org> wrote:
> 
> The next time someone challenges me on why I only use BNC and Type N connectors, I?m going to send them this entire discussion.
> 
> wunder
> K6WRU
> Walter Underwood
> CM87wj
> http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog)
> 
>> On Sep 17, 2018, at 4:41 PM, Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Andy,
>> 
>> The PL259 to SO239 connector "end face" contact is provided only by pressure - it is not a sliding contact as you would find in a BNC or an N connector.  The pressure is provided only by the tightening of the threaded portion of the PL259.
>> 
>> I ask you - just how much resistance can be expected if you just touch two ends of wires together without further positive contact?
>> 
>> The "insulating spacer" is any oxidation on either the SO239 or the PL259.  That is why I like silver plated UHF connectors.  They may look a bit corroded, but the silver oxide is conductive even though it can appear brown or black.  If you are shopping for UHF connectors at hamfests, avoid all those nickel-plated ones that a not Amphenol, but flock to those that are oxidized, and silver plated with Mil Spec designations on them.
>> 
>> 73,
>> Don W3FPR
>> 
>>> On 9/17/2018 6:39 PM, ANDY DURBIN wrote:
>>> " the threads of the PL259 are providing the only contact with the SO239"
>>> In the connectors that you are mating how do you prevent contact between the end face of the PL259 body and the end face of the SO239 body? You would need an insulating spacer for your statement to be true.
>> ______________________________________________________________
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From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Mon Sep 17 22:00:22 2018
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2018 21:00:22 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 Antenna Grounding
Message-ID: <44b2126d-bf69-dc33-4b1c-083fa17a6fff@blomand.net>

I didn't find the answer in the manual, so I'll ask here.?? I do see in 
the manual where bleed resistors are applied to the unused antenna 
terminals to bleed off static charges.? {page 15, Antenna 
Selector......... etc}

My question, do the relays in the tuner take the center conductor of all 
three antenna terminals to ground when power is removed? I see that it 
switches to ANT 1 when power is off. ?? I suppose I could remove the 
covers and explore for myself, and I'll do just that if no one confirms 
one way or the other.?? Anyone have a schematic?? That would be nice.


73

Bob, K4TAX




From FlatHat at comcast.net  Mon Sep 17 22:13:46 2018
From: FlatHat at comcast.net (Richard)
Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2018 22:13:46 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Time Sync Program for Mac
In-Reply-To: <730ddec4-f41e-c8af-f955-3f3edbb30ea0@embarqmail.com>
References: <88219369-38FC-4BA4-86DE-C461D73E5627@comcast.net>
	<730ddec4-f41e-c8af-f955-3f3edbb30ea0@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <A4241D22-18FF-4064-B844-39F90C339EBB@comcast.net>

What?s a good simple stand-alone application to keep my Mac?s clock razor sharp for FT8?

I find that WSJT-X 1.8.0 is triggering my K3S? transmitter up to a full second late sometimes, typically 0.5 second late.

Cheers!
Richard ? W4KBX

From jstengrevics at comcast.net  Mon Sep 17 22:16:18 2018
From: jstengrevics at comcast.net (John Stengrevics)
Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2018 22:16:18 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Time Sync Program for Mac
In-Reply-To: <A4241D22-18FF-4064-B844-39F90C339EBB@comcast.net>
References: <88219369-38FC-4BA4-86DE-C461D73E5627@comcast.net>
	<730ddec4-f41e-c8af-f955-3f3edbb30ea0@embarqmail.com>
	<A4241D22-18FF-4064-B844-39F90C339EBB@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <4C05F2E7-5902-4AE4-80BA-8326688BFF75@comcast.net>

Richard,

In System Preferences, input us.pool.ntp.org <http://us.pool.ntp.org/>

Works fine for my Mac.

73,

John
WA1EAZ

> On Sep 17, 2018, at 10:13 PM, Richard <FlatHat at comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> What?s a good simple stand-alone application to keep my Mac?s clock razor sharp for FT8?
> 
> I find that WSJT-X 1.8.0 is triggering my K3S? transmitter up to a full second late sometimes, typically 0.5 second late.
> 
> Cheers!
> Richard ? W4KBX
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From lists at w2irt.net  Mon Sep 17 22:29:52 2018
From: lists at w2irt.net (Peter Dougherty (W2IRT))
Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2018 22:29:52 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 and Remotehams.com
Message-ID: <000301d44ef7$7b8b1c70$72a15550$@net>

Hi all,
I'd like to be able to use my KPA-1500 with Remotehams, but I'm not sure how
to set this up. First off, the baud rate is limited in the RCFOrb server app
to 115200, and secondly, I'm guessing I have to open a port somewhere??

If the only way to do this is drop the baud rate on the KPA, what else will
have to change in other software or with the K3s in order to communicate? I
have the amp running on COM-14, and it is also on my LAN.

Thanks in advance.

 


----------------------------------------------------

Regards,
Peter Dougherty, W2IRT

DXCC Card Checker/CQ-WAZ Checkpoint

www.facebook.com/W2IRT

 


From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Mon Sep 17 22:31:42 2018
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2018 21:31:42 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Time Sync Program for Mac
In-Reply-To: <A4241D22-18FF-4064-B844-39F90C339EBB@comcast.net>
References: <88219369-38FC-4BA4-86DE-C461D73E5627@comcast.net>
	<730ddec4-f41e-c8af-f955-3f3edbb30ea0@embarqmail.com>
	<A4241D22-18FF-4064-B844-39F90C339EBB@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <7B7A4950-4D7A-4416-AC16-9D2838EBCAE5@blomand.net>

I first suggest updating to the most current version of WSJT-X. 

On receiving FT8 signals, what is the DT time shown for most received signals?  Should be less than 1 second and typically less than 0.3 seconds.  If so there is nothing wrong with your computer time. 

Likely the delay is processing time, computer or interface or a TX delay set in the application. 

Bob, K4TAX


Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 17, 2018, at 9:13 PM, Richard <FlatHat at comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> What?s a good simple stand-alone application to keep my Mac?s clock razor sharp for FT8?
> 
> I find that WSJT-X 1.8.0 is triggering my K3S? transmitter up to a full second late sometimes, typically 0.5 second late.
> 
> Cheers!
> Richard ? W4KBX
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From wes_n7ws at triconet.org  Mon Sep 17 23:30:10 2018
From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes Stewart)
Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2018 20:30:10 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 Antenna Grounding
In-Reply-To: <44b2126d-bf69-dc33-4b1c-083fa17a6fff@blomand.net>
References: <44b2126d-bf69-dc33-4b1c-083fa17a6fff@blomand.net>
Message-ID: <1caa5325-2af2-56c8-8ac5-251bed28e1c5@triconet.org>

Unpowered, the input is connected to Ant 1.? Each output has a 1 meg resistor to 
ground, other than that just open relay contacts.

Wes? N7WS.


 ?On 9/17/2018 7:00 PM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote:
> I didn't find the answer in the manual, so I'll ask here.?? I do see in the 
> manual where bleed resistors are applied to the unused antenna terminals to 
> bleed off static charges.? {page 15, Antenna Selector......... etc}
>
> My question, do the relays in the tuner take the center conductor of all three 
> antenna terminals to ground when power is removed? I see that it switches to 
> ANT 1 when power is off. ?? I suppose I could remove the covers and explore 
> for myself, and I'll do just that if no one confirms one way or the other.?? 
> Anyone have a schematic?? That would be nice.
>
>
> 73
>
> Bob, K4TAX
>


From bobdehaney at gmx.net  Tue Sep 18 05:42:42 2018
From: bobdehaney at gmx.net (Bob DeHaney)
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2018 11:42:42 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] Entertaining Tales
Message-ID: <001a01d44f33$f28277b0$d7876710$@gmx.net>

Guys, W4MLE (SK) was just trying to tell me that Propagation and Antennas will always be waiting to surprise me by functioning unexpectedly. 

 

For instance, using a light bulb as a dummy load and having a QSO with the light bulb as my antenna.  Or calling CQ in the afternoon on 40m with 75 Watts into a low, more or less tuned dipole, and having I1ER come back to me as my very first Trans-Atlantic QSO.  I think that?s when the DX Bug bit me ?

 

Vy 73 de Bob DJ0RD/WU5T


From pasek001 at umn.edu  Tue Sep 18 08:26:26 2018
From: pasek001 at umn.edu (George Pasek)
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2018 07:26:26 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 encoder dying?
In-Reply-To: <E8B5C137-C362-4898-BB6C-45586CF99213@blomand.net>
References: <mailman.1850.1537124145.3450.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
	<379A1682AED34B6FAE11296D1E5C858B@JRPC>
	<E8B5C137-C362-4898-BB6C-45586CF99213@blomand.net>
Message-ID: <CE6AAC7BB1CF4C3380261F867E4F77B7@JRPC>

I opted to get a RSA number from Elecraft and ship it out to them.  I no 
longer have my workbench (or keen eyesight/steady soldering hand for that 
matter) so I really don't want taking a chance to do that type of work on 
something as expensive as the KX3.  I told them to replace all 4 of the 
small encorders and I should be good-to-go for many more years.

George
WD0AKZ

-----Original Message----- 
From: Bob McGraw K4TAX
Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2018 4:49 PM
To: George Pasek
Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 encoder dying?

Encoders can be cleaned. I've done it in several radios, several brands.  It 
is usually necessary to open the radio, remove the encoder.  Then carefully 
open the encoder, clean the wiper contacts and the stationary contacts with 
contact cleaner.   These are simply a stepping switch. Only one moving part. 
Reassemble in the reverse process.

Bob, K4TAX


Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 16, 2018, at 4:39 PM, George Pasek <pasek001 at umn.edu> wrote:
>
> I noticed today that when I tried to fine adjust the mic level with the 
> mic/keyer/pwr encoder that it may display the mic level but won't change 
> it or if it does it's very erratic.  The response is the same with the 
> keyer speed in CW mode and when attempting to adjust the power level. 
> Turning the knob fast usually does nothing, turning it slow may move it a 
> bit and wiggling the knob seems the best way to see results.   I never had 
> a problem with it till today and I have made no changes to it or it's 
> operation.  I have been running it on WSPR at 500mw with a 2 minute Tx and 
> 8 minute Rx for a few weeks now and always tweak the mic gain for the 
> blinking ALC 5th bar when I change bands.  I'm assuming it's the encoder 
> going bad and will have to be sent to the Elecraft Hospital for a part 
> replacement surgery but I thought I'd check here first in case I'm missing 
> something.
>
> tnx
> de George
> WD0AKZ
>
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From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Tue Sep 18 09:15:53 2018
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2018 08:15:53 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 Antenna Grounding
In-Reply-To: <1caa5325-2af2-56c8-8ac5-251bed28e1c5@triconet.org>
References: <44b2126d-bf69-dc33-4b1c-083fa17a6fff@blomand.net>
	<1caa5325-2af2-56c8-8ac5-251bed28e1c5@triconet.org>
Message-ID: <22fca47a-7a70-a68e-0459-6424106d6915@blomand.net>

Thanks Wes.???? I hesitated to un-stack the KPA500 off of the KAT500 and 
disconnect all the cables.??? I suppose I need to look at my 
configuration to reduce the likelihood of any damage to the PIN diodes 
in the KPA500.?? Lightning protection is good on the outside of the 
house but static discharge probably needs review.

73

Bob, K4TAX


On 9/17/2018 10:30 PM, Wes Stewart wrote:
> Unpowered, the input is connected to Ant 1.? Each output has a 1 meg 
> resistor to ground, other than that just open relay contacts.
>
> Wes? N7WS.



From bill at wjschmidt.com  Tue Sep 18 11:29:41 2018
From: bill at wjschmidt.com (Dr. William J. Schmidt)
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2018 10:29:41 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] loss of RX sensitivity
In-Reply-To: <CEF1DF11-28D1-4409-8023-4C4CA0C81B4A@wunderwood.org>
References: <MW2PR16MB2362DF4880EF3F1FA5F0F24C8C1E0@MW2PR16MB2362.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>	<f8afc115-cb00-1c12-05c5-6c193b589fbc@embarqmail.com>
	<CEF1DF11-28D1-4409-8023-4C4CA0C81B4A@wunderwood.org>
Message-ID: <01ed01d44f64$6b467310$41d35930$@wjschmidt.com>


[[The next time someone challenges me on why I only use BNC and Type N connectors, I?m going to send them this entire discussion.]]

Unfortunately this is not perfect either.  If you use an "N" connector on long runs of heliax in a cold climate, you must be aware that the coefficients of expansion of the center conductor and the shield can be different... and on several occasions, I have seen the center pin pull back from the connector (and essentially disconnect) because the center conductor contracted more than the shield.  Nb. This does not happen with all "N" connectors.  This is less of a problem with BNC connectors because the coax used is generally has a somewhat flexible shield.




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From kengkopp at gmail.com  Tue Sep 18 11:40:46 2018
From: kengkopp at gmail.com (Ken G Kopp)
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2018 09:40:46 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Type N male pin movement
Message-ID: <CAD4CdTP7x6iw_uwSsOwQZTF4ysb0odJ5R2R162xUyqwuZOY2Fg@mail.gmail.com>

UG-1185's have captive center pins to avoid this problem.

Caution: There are two ways the Teflon spacers can be assembled.  The
recessed sides face outward.

73 !

K0PP

On Tue, Sep 18, 2018, 09:30 Dr. William J. Schmidt <bill at wjschmidt.com>
wrote:

>
> [[The next time someone challenges me on why I only use BNC and Type N
> connectors, I?m going to send them this entire discussion.]]
>
> Unfortunately this is not perfect either.  If you use an "N" connector on
> long runs of heliax in a cold climate, you must be aware that the
> coefficients of expansion of the center conductor and the shield can be
> different... and on several occasions, I have seen the center pin pull back
> from the connector (and essentially disconnect) because the center
> conductor contracted more than the shield.  Nb. This does not happen with
> all "N" connectors.  This is less of a problem with BNC connectors because
> the coax used is generally has a somewhat flexible shield.
>
>
>
>
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From donovanf at starpower.net  Tue Sep 18 11:46:50 2018
From: donovanf at starpower.net (donovanf at starpower.net)
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2018 11:46:50 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Elecraft] loss of RX sensitivity
In-Reply-To: <01ed01d44f64$6b467310$41d35930$@wjschmidt.com>
Message-ID: <477163436.19004364.1537285610457.JavaMail.root@starpower.net>

Captivated pin N connectors completely resolve the problem of the 
center pin pulling back in cold weather. 


73 
Frank 
W3LPL 


----- Original Message -----

From: "Dr. William J. Schmidt" <bill at wjschmidt.com> 
To: "Elecraft Reflector" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> 
Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2018 3:29:41 PM 
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] loss of RX sensitivity 


[[The next time someone challenges me on why I only use BNC and Type N connectors, I?m going to send them this entire discussion.]] 

Unfortunately this is not perfect either. If you use an "N" connector on long runs of heliax in a cold climate, you must be aware that the coefficients of expansion of the center conductor and the shield can be different... and on several occasions, I have seen the center pin pull back from the connector (and essentially disconnect) because the center conductor contracted more than the shield. Nb. This does not happen with all "N" connectors. This is less of a problem with BNC connectors because the coax used is generally has a somewhat flexible shield. 




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From gsochor at interaccess.com  Tue Sep 18 11:50:25 2018
From: gsochor at interaccess.com (Gene Sochor)
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2018 10:50:25 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3/100-F Sold, P3F
Message-ID: <201809181550.w8IFoSu1028050@mail40c28.carrierzone.com>

K3/100-F s/n 6587 has been sold.

P3-F s/n 2191 New, unopened in original packing is available for 
$500.  Shipping included continental US

This had been purchased paired with a K3 for an SO2R station that was 
never configured.

Gene Sochor N9SW   Cell: 630-404-8100
PO Bo 413
Wayne, IL 60184
gsochor at interaccess.com


From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Tue Sep 18 12:20:54 2018
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2018 09:20:54 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 Antenna Grounding
In-Reply-To: <22fca47a-7a70-a68e-0459-6424106d6915@blomand.net>
References: <44b2126d-bf69-dc33-4b1c-083fa17a6fff@blomand.net>
	<1caa5325-2af2-56c8-8ac5-251bed28e1c5@triconet.org>
	<22fca47a-7a70-a68e-0459-6424106d6915@blomand.net>
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On 9/18/2018 6:15 AM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote:
> Lightning protection is good on the outside of the house but static 
> discharge probably needs review. 

Bob,

Take a look at the arrestors that Array Solutions sells, which are the 
circuit that were built under the ICE name until the owner died a decade 
or so ago, and that they sold. I'm now using them, and have them mounted 
in a large Hoffman enclosure. I like the circuit because I believe it is 
a better solution to the discharge problem, and I like their 
construction because the GDT is user replaceable. If you lose the GDT in 
a Polyphaser you throw it away and buy a new one.

https://www.arraysolutions.com/surge-and-rf-protection/as-303u

73, Jim K9YC


From donanddeena at hotmail.com  Tue Sep 18 12:53:25 2018
From: donanddeena at hotmail.com (Don Schroder)
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2018 16:53:25 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Panadapter
Message-ID: <MW2PR02MB38499742FBE8D82C7FA0B1C2AA1D0@MW2PR02MB3849.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>

Morning!

I have a kit K2 s/n 7818 that is about 2/3rds complete. I?m a newbie and this is my first radio. I?ve been  looking at additions for my non-existent ham shack and am curious about the Elecraft P3. Looking at the advertising, I see it is for the K3 & K3s, and other radios.

Hence, my question. How many of you consider the P3 to be a must have, and can it be used with a K2 transceiver? As a side note, what other optional equipment to the K2 would you consider necessary?

Thanks, and 73!
Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10


From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Tue Sep 18 13:12:42 2018
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2018 13:12:42 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Panadapter
In-Reply-To: <MW2PR02MB38499742FBE8D82C7FA0B1C2AA1D0@MW2PR02MB3849.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
References: <MW2PR02MB38499742FBE8D82C7FA0B1C2AA1D0@MW2PR02MB3849.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <09776cee-ad62-7290-56bc-0f695a27884a@embarqmail.com>

Don,

You can use it with the K3 (the P3 input can be tuned anywhere between 
455kHz and 21 MHz).
You will have to add an IF output to the K2.  DX Engineering is now 
selling the Clifton Labs buffer amplifier which can be used for that 
purpose.

I don't know what documentation is being sent with the DX Engineering 
kit, but if you need it, I can supply the original Clifton Labs document 
for the K2.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 9/18/2018 12:53 PM, Don Schroder wrote:
> Morning!
> 
> I have a kit K2 s/n 7818 that is about 2/3rds complete. I?m a newbie and this is my first radio. I?ve been  looking at additions for my non-existent ham shack and am curious about the Elecraft P3. Looking at the advertising, I see it is for the K3 & K3s, and other radios.
> 
> Hence, my question. How many of you consider the P3 to be a must have, and can it be used with a K2 transceiver? As a side note, what other optional equipment to the K2 would you consider necessary?
> 

From wes_n7ws at triconet.org  Tue Sep 18 13:51:45 2018
From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes Stewart)
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2018 10:51:45 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] loss of RX sensitivity
In-Reply-To: <1836022939.17530244.1537229092087.JavaMail.root@starpower.net>
References: <1836022939.17530244.1537229092087.JavaMail.root@starpower.net>
Message-ID: <1e6e24fe-5caa-7ed2-6b4a-6ea8fac496af@triconet.org>

It's difficult to argue with Frank's experience and expertise.? That said, fools 
rush in...

I own some network analyzers, 1) an N2PK which I built with type N connectors, 
2) a DG8SAQ VNWA-3, supplied with SMA connectors and 3) a RigExpert AA-55 Zoom 
with a SO239.? Professionally, I've used analyzers with type N, 3.5mm (beadless 
SMA) and K connectors. With the exception of the AA-55, which only goes to 55 
MHz, all of these can be calibrated with "precision" calibration kits that can 
cost thousands of dollars.? So far, Frank is right, not a BNC in the bunch.

But that has changed with the introduction of the DG5MK's FA-VA5, one-port 
vector analyzer.? I am on the reserve list to buy one of these.? The thing to 
note is that it is supplied with a BNC connector.? There has been a lot of 
anguish, heartburn, etc about this on the VNWA Yahoo group but the consensus is 
that it will be fine and BNC calibration kit has been developed and tested 
without issue. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8Z7veGV57o

There are tens of thousands of BNCs on oscilloscopes and other instruments and 
I've seldom had an issue with them in 30+ years of lab work.? For quick 
disconnect I also use short jumper cables with BNCs to break the connections 
between the hardline running to the tower and the cable entrance to the shack 
during lightning season.? Admittedly, I'm only running 500 W.? When I can leave 
them more permanently connected I revert to type N.

Wes? N7WS

On 9/17/2018 5:04 PM, donovanf at starpower.net wrote:
> If you have a vector network analyzer you'll discover that BNC
> connectors aren't all that great at VHF and above, l oss and
> impedance vary with connector axial alignment because the bayonnet
> shell doesn't support aligh the connector body very well. Strain relief
> is extremely important with BNC connectors. TNC connectors are
> far superior but not widely used.
>
>
> While professionally installed N connectors have superb RF
> characteristics, all too often they're improperly installed -- even by
> professionals -- leading to damaged connectors if the male pin is
> misaligned, or unreliable contact if the pin or socket depth is just a
> few millimeters less than the manufacturers specification. I use
> only captive pin male N connectors, avoiding the most severe
> problems. I never use female N connectors on cables, the N sockets
> are much too fragile.
>
>
> Its hard to beat high quality silver plated UHF connectors at HF and
> 6 meters. But its important to use a tool to tighten them. That's a
> small price to pay for a very reliable connector.
>
>
> 73
> Frank
> W3LPL
>


From gthornton at thorntonmostullaw.com  Tue Sep 18 13:59:28 2018
From: gthornton at thorntonmostullaw.com (George Thornton)
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2018 17:59:28 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Panadapter
In-Reply-To: <09776cee-ad62-7290-56bc-0f695a27884a@embarqmail.com>
References: <MW2PR02MB38499742FBE8D82C7FA0B1C2AA1D0@MW2PR02MB3849.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
	<09776cee-ad62-7290-56bc-0f695a27884a@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <CY4PR1601MB1352E696A89558BAE790AC5AB41D0@CY4PR1601MB1352.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>

I have owned both the K2 and K3.  Perhaps the most fun I had in HAM radio was building the K2.   I learned a lot about soldering and assembly techniques.  

Electronics technology has advanced with miniaturization and surface mount parts.  The skill and equipment requirements for surface mount work is beyond the average amateur.  Elecraft does not offer kits that require surface mount work.

The assembly process for the K3 is much less satisfying than with the K2.   All circuit boards come pre-assembled and you are pretty much just building the box and plugging things in.  

I also have worked extensively with the P3.   I find it very helpful.  There is a wealth of knowledge you get from being able to visually see the spectrum you are working.  

That being said, some of the advantages of the P3 come from its close integration with the K3.  I would believe that close integration would not be possible with the K2.

There are also other panadapter options including the LP-Pan, which will allow you to view the K2's spectrum.   I much prefer the P3 because of the handy controls that allow you to adjust the image, but some of those other options may be less expensive.

Think also of where you might go with all this.  The K2 is a wonderful rig and more than adequate for HF work.  If yuou get really serious about this you may, as I did, choose to upgrade to either the K3s or KX3.  The P3 could be used with the K3s but the KX3 has a different, smaller unit.





-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On Behalf Of Don Wilhelm
Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2018 10:13 AM
To: Don Schroder <donanddeena at hotmail.com>; elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 Panadapter

Don,

You can use it with the K3 (the P3 input can be tuned anywhere between 455kHz and 21 MHz).
You will have to add an IF output to the K2.  DX Engineering is now selling the Clifton Labs buffer amplifier which can be used for that purpose.

I don't know what documentation is being sent with the DX Engineering kit, but if you need it, I can supply the original Clifton Labs document for the K2.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 9/18/2018 12:53 PM, Don Schroder wrote:
> Morning!
> 
> I have a kit K2 s/n 7818 that is about 2/3rds complete. I?m a newbie and this is my first radio. I?ve been  looking at additions for my non-existent ham shack and am curious about the Elecraft P3. Looking at the advertising, I see it is for the K3 & K3s, and other radios.
> 
> Hence, my question. How many of you consider the P3 to be a must have, and can it be used with a K2 transceiver? As a side note, what other optional equipment to the K2 would you consider necessary?
> 
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From k6dgw at foothill.net  Tue Sep 18 14:32:48 2018
From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen)
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2018 11:32:48 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Panadapter
In-Reply-To: <MW2PR02MB38499742FBE8D82C7FA0B1C2AA1D0@MW2PR02MB3849.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
References: <MW2PR02MB38499742FBE8D82C7FA0B1C2AA1D0@MW2PR02MB3849.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <e343bf25-1403-8125-51e3-e9b9ebc8593d@foothill.net>

Congratulations on your K2 Don, I've had #4398 for many years and it is 
a fun radio to operate, and will hold it's own with the "big guns" out 
there.? Don, W3FPR, is your go-to guy for all things K2.

The P3 is basically a tuneable receiver from just below the AM broadcast 
band to somewhere around 20 MHz.? It will "work" with the K2 but you 
have to bring out the IF signal.? I put "work" in quotes because the P3 
will integrate with a K3 to give several modes of operation.? One very 
popular one is "Fixed Tune" where the edges of the display remain fixed 
and tuning the K3 moves a cursor.

With the K2, the only mode available is "Tracking Mode" where the center 
of the screen is always where you are receiving, and as you tune, the 
signals on the band all move.

As far as general P3 usefulness, for me it is huge.? It's all I look at 
when I operate.? I operate W7RN remotely on occasion, I really miss the 
P3, and I hope Elecraft is working on a remote capability for it.

73,

Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

On 9/18/2018 9:53 AM, Don Schroder wrote:
> Morning!
>
> I have a kit K2 s/n 7818 that is about 2/3rds complete. I?m a newbie and this is my first radio. I?ve been  looking at additions for my non-existent ham shack and am curious about the Elecraft P3. Looking at the advertising, I see it is for the K3 & K3s, and other radios.
>
> Hence, my question. How many of you consider the P3 to be a must have, and can it be used with a K2 transceiver? As a side note, what other optional equipment to the K2 would you consider necessary?
>
>


From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Tue Sep 18 14:45:33 2018
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2018 14:45:33 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Panadapter
In-Reply-To: <CY4PR1601MB1352E696A89558BAE790AC5AB41D0@CY4PR1601MB1352.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
References: <MW2PR02MB38499742FBE8D82C7FA0B1C2AA1D0@MW2PR02MB3849.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
	<09776cee-ad62-7290-56bc-0f695a27884a@embarqmail.com>
	<CY4PR1601MB1352E696A89558BAE790AC5AB41D0@CY4PR1601MB1352.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <00d8fd15-19c1-270d-608e-201ea2e42f3a@embarqmail.com>

The main difference between the P3 and PX3 is the input.? The P3 has an 
IF input while the PX3 input must be baseband RX I and Q signals.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 9/18/2018 1:59 PM, George Thornton wrote:
>
> I also have worked extensively with the P3.   I find it very helpful.  There is a wealth of knowledge you get from being able to visually see the spectrum you are working.
>
> That being said, some of the advantages of the P3 come from its close integration with the K3.  I would believe that close integration would not be possible with the K2.
>
> There are also other panadapter options including the LP-Pan, which will allow you to view the K2's spectrum.   I much prefer the P3 because of the handy controls that allow you to adjust the image, but some of those other options may be less expensive.
>
> Think also of where you might go with all this.  The K2 is a wonderful rig and more than adequate for HF work.  If yuou get really serious about this you may, as I did, choose to upgrade to either the K3s or KX3.  The P3 could be used with the K3s but the KX3 has a different, smaller unit.
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On Behalf Of Don Wilhelm
> Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2018 10:13 AM
> To: Don Schroder <donanddeena at hotmail.com>; elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 Panadapter
>
> Don,
>
> You can use it with the K3 (the P3 input can be tuned anywhere between 455kHz and 21 MHz).
> You will have to add an IF output to the K2.  DX Engineering is now selling the Clifton Labs buffer amplifier which can be used for that purpose.
>
> I don't know what documentation is being sent with the DX Engineering kit, but if you need it, I can supply the original Clifton Labs document for the K2.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 9/18/2018 12:53 PM, Don Schroder wrote:
>> Morning!
>>
>> I have a kit K2 s/n 7818 that is about 2/3rds complete. I?m a newbie and this is my first radio. I?ve been  looking at additions for my non-existent ham shack and am curious about the Elecraft P3. Looking at the advertising, I see it is for the K3 & K3s, and other radios.
>>
>> Hence, my question. How many of you consider the P3 to be a must have, and can it be used with a K2 transceiver? As a side note, what other optional equipment to the K2 would you consider necessary?
>>
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From n1al at sonic.net  Tue Sep 18 14:46:27 2018
From: n1al at sonic.net (Alan)
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2018 11:46:27 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Panadapter
In-Reply-To: <MW2PR02MB38499742FBE8D82C7FA0B1C2AA1D0@MW2PR02MB3849.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
References: <MW2PR02MB38499742FBE8D82C7FA0B1C2AA1D0@MW2PR02MB3849.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <91c262ba-d7a4-24f3-10d3-5f7a3d3b48b7@sonic.net>

To use the P3 with the K2, you have to modify the K2 to add an IF output 
connector.  Clifton Labs used to sell an adapter kit which is now 
offered by DX Engineering.

https://www.dxengineering.com/parts/dxe-z10000k2-kit

The P3 does work fine with the K2, but you don't get all the features 
that you get with the K3.  For example, the P3 does not show the K2 
frequency on its display, the fixed-tune mode is not available, and the 
tap-to-QSY feature does not work.

Alan N1AL


From gsochor at interaccess.com  Tue Sep 18 15:21:40 2018
From: gsochor at interaccess.com (Gene Sochor)
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2018 14:21:40 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] P3-F panadaptor SOLD
Message-ID: <201809181921.w8IJLmDV012319@mail42c28.carrierzone.com>

The P3-F panadaptor s/n 2191 has been sold.

Thanks for all the inquiries!

73,
Gene N9SW


From gsochor at interaccess.com  Tue Sep 18 16:32:35 2018
From: gsochor at interaccess.com (Gene Sochor)
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2018 15:32:35 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] FS: K3SYN3A upgrade kits
Message-ID: <201809182032.w8IKWdKY007835@mail47c28.carrierzone.com>

Upgrade your K3 to K3S specs.

Have 2 brand new, unopened K3SYN3A upgrade kits excess to my needs 
(sold one K3)

Currently priced at $280 each.  Will sell for $200 for one, $380 for 
the pair and save $180.

Shipping within continental USA included in price. PayPal accepted.

Remember, if you have a 2nd receiver installed, you must upgrade both 
synthesizers.

Contact: Gene Sochor N9SW Cell 630-404-8100
                 PO Box 413, Wayne, IL 60184
                 gsochor at interaccess.com


From donovanf at starpower.net  Tue Sep 18 16:53:01 2018
From: donovanf at starpower.net (donovanf at starpower.net)
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2018 16:53:01 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Elecraft] loss of RX sensitivity
In-Reply-To: <1e6e24fe-5caa-7ed2-6b4a-6ea8fac496af@triconet.org>
Message-ID: <322572690.19674015.1537303981891.JavaMail.root@starpower.net>

Hi Wes, 


Thanks for forwarding the information about DG5MK's new FA-VA5 
VNA. What is its current selling price? 


If you use many BNC connectors, you'll notice a distinct difference in 
connector quality especially above 100 MHz. Avoid using BNC male 
connectors with weak tension when you turn the bayonette 
to engage the connector. If the bayonette turns too easily it doesn't 
maintain sufficient engagement force to keep the RF connections 
in proper alignment. 


73 
Frank 
W3LPL 




----- Original Message -----

From: "Wes Stewart" <wes_n7ws at triconet.org> 
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net 
Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2018 5:51:45 PM 
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] loss of RX sensitivity 

It's difficult to argue with Frank's experience and expertise. That said, fools 
rush in... 

I own some network analyzers, 1) an N2PK which I built with type N connectors, 
2) a DG8SAQ VNWA-3, supplied with SMA connectors and 3) a RigExpert AA-55 Zoom 
with a SO239. Professionally, I've used analyzers with type N, 3.5mm (beadless 
SMA) and K connectors. With the exception of the AA-55, which only goes to 55 
MHz, all of these can be calibrated with "precision" calibration kits that can 
cost thousands of dollars. So far, Frank is right, not a BNC in the bunch. 

But that has changed with the introduction of the DG5MK's FA-VA5, one-port 
vector analyzer. I am on the reserve list to buy one of these. The thing to 
note is that it is supplied with a BNC connector. There has been a lot of 
anguish, heartburn, etc about this on the VNWA Yahoo group but the consensus is 
that it will be fine and BNC calibration kit has been developed and tested 
without issue. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8Z7veGV57o 

There are tens of thousands of BNCs on oscilloscopes and other instruments and 
I've seldom had an issue with them in 30+ years of lab work. For quick 
disconnect I also use short jumper cables with BNCs to break the connections 
between the hardline running to the tower and the cable entrance to the shack 
during lightning season. Admittedly, I'm only running 500 W. When I can leave 
them more permanently connected I revert to type N. 

Wes N7WS 

On 9/17/2018 5:04 PM, donovanf at starpower.net wrote: 
> If you have a vector network analyzer you'll discover that BNC 
> connectors aren't all that great at VHF and above, l oss and 
> impedance vary with connector axial alignment because the bayonnet 
> shell doesn't support aligh the connector body very well. Strain relief 
> is extremely important with BNC connectors. TNC connectors are 
> far superior but not widely used. 
> 
> 
> While professionally installed N connectors have superb RF 
> characteristics, all too often they're improperly installed -- even by 
> professionals -- leading to damaged connectors if the male pin is 
> misaligned, or unreliable contact if the pin or socket depth is just a 
> few millimeters less than the manufacturers specification. I use 
> only captive pin male N connectors, avoiding the most severe 
> problems. I never use female N connectors on cables, the N sockets 
> are much too fragile. 
> 
> 
> Its hard to beat high quality silver plated UHF connectors at HF and 
> 6 meters. But its important to use a tool to tighten them. That's a 
> small price to pay for a very reliable connector. 
> 
> 
> 73 
> Frank 
> W3LPL 
> 

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From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Tue Sep 18 17:24:26 2018
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2018 14:24:26 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] loss of RX sensitivity
In-Reply-To: <322572690.19674015.1537303981891.JavaMail.root@starpower.net>
References: <322572690.19674015.1537303981891.JavaMail.root@starpower.net>
Message-ID: <6f74f288-308e-45da-b97b-c9c6acc33a2f@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On 9/18/2018 1:53 PM, donovanf at starpower.net wrote:
>   What is its current selling price?

Frank,

I believe it's under $200.? https://www.sdr-kits.net/VA5_Page

73, Jim


From riese-k3djc at juno.com  Tue Sep 18 17:23:31 2018
From: riese-k3djc at juno.com (riese-k3djc at juno.com)
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2018 17:23:31 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] loss of RX sensitivity
Message-ID: <AABP4C5J2AVGEKBS@smtpout01.vgs.untd.com>


https://www.eham.net/ehamforum/smf/index.php?topic=34680.0;wap2

Bob K3DJC



On Tue, 18 Sep 2018 16:53:01 -0400 (EDT) donovanf at starpower.net writes:
> Hi Wes, 
> 
> 
> Thanks for forwarding the information about DG5MK's new FA-VA5 
> VNA. What is its current selling price? 
> 
> 
> If you use many BNC connectors, you'll notice a distinct difference 
> in 
> connector quality especially above 100 MHz. Avoid using BNC male 
> connectors with weak tension when you turn the bayonette 
> to engage the connector. If the bayonette turns too easily it 
> doesn't 
> maintain sufficient engagement force to keep the RF connections 
> in proper alignment. 
> 
> 
> 73 
> Frank 
> W3LPL 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> 
> From: "Wes Stewart" <wes_n7ws at triconet.org> 
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net 
> Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2018 5:51:45 PM 
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] loss of RX sensitivity 
> 
> It's difficult to argue with Frank's experience and expertise. That 
> said, fools 
> rush in... 
> 
> I own some network analyzers, 1) an N2PK which I built with type N 
> connectors, 
> 2) a DG8SAQ VNWA-3, supplied with SMA connectors and 3) a RigExpert 
> AA-55 Zoom 
> with a SO239. Professionally, I've used analyzers with type N, 3.5mm 
> (beadless 
> SMA) and K connectors. With the exception of the AA-55, which only 
> goes to 55 
> MHz, all of these can be calibrated with "precision" calibration 
> kits that can 
> cost thousands of dollars. So far, Frank is right, not a BNC in the 
> bunch. 
> 
> But that has changed with the introduction of the DG5MK's FA-VA5, 
> one-port 
> vector analyzer. I am on the reserve list to buy one of these. The 
> thing to 
> note is that it is supplied with a BNC connector. There has been a 
> lot of 
> anguish, heartburn, etc about this on the VNWA Yahoo group but the 
> consensus is 
> that it will be fine and BNC calibration kit has been developed and 
> tested 
> without issue. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8Z7veGV57o 
> 
> There are tens of thousands of BNCs on oscilloscopes and other 
> instruments and 
> I've seldom had an issue with them in 30+ years of lab work. For 
> quick 
> disconnect I also use short jumper cables with BNCs to break the 
> connections 
> between the hardline running to the tower and the cable entrance to 
> the shack 
> during lightning season. Admittedly, I'm only running 500 W. When I 
> can leave 
> them more permanently connected I revert to type N. 
> 
> Wes N7WS 
> 
> On 9/17/2018 5:04 PM, donovanf at starpower.net wrote: 
> > If you have a vector network analyzer you'll discover that BNC 
> > connectors aren't all that great at VHF and above, l oss and 
> > impedance vary with connector axial alignment because the bayonnet 
> 
> > shell doesn't support aligh the connector body very well. Strain 
> relief 
> > is extremely important with BNC connectors. TNC connectors are 
> > far superior but not widely used. 
> > 
> > 
> > While professionally installed N connectors have superb RF 
> > characteristics, all too often they're improperly installed -- 
> even by 
> > professionals -- leading to damaged connectors if the male pin is 
> 
> > misaligned, or unreliable contact if the pin or socket depth is 
> just a 
> > few millimeters less than the manufacturers specification. I use 
> > only captive pin male N connectors, avoiding the most severe 
> > problems. I never use female N connectors on cables, the N sockets 
> 
> > are much too fragile. 
> > 
> > 
> > Its hard to beat high quality silver plated UHF connectors at HF 
> and 
> > 6 meters. But its important to use a tool to tighten them. That's 
> a 
> > small price to pay for a very reliable connector. 
> > 
> > 
> > 73 
> > Frank 
> > W3LPL 
> > 
> 
> ______________________________________________________________ 
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From gsochor at interaccess.com  Tue Sep 18 17:50:14 2018
From: gsochor at interaccess.com (Gene Sochor)
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2018 16:50:14 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] FS: K3SYN3A upgrade kits - Both SOLD!
Message-ID: <201809182150.w8ILoMak016863@mail40c28.carrierzone.com>

Thanks to all who have interest in these

Both K3SYN3A upgrade kits have been sold.  Underestimated the popularity!

73, Gene N9SW


From wes_n7ws at triconet.org  Tue Sep 18 18:00:09 2018
From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes Stewart)
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2018 15:00:09 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] loss of RX sensitivity
In-Reply-To: <322572690.19674015.1537303981891.JavaMail.root@starpower.net>
References: <322572690.19674015.1537303981891.JavaMail.root@starpower.net>
Message-ID: <ef21af40-e2d7-db2d-7e5c-499852211d0a@triconet.org>

Hi Frank,

Agreed.

See: https://www.sdr-kits.net/VA5_Page? bottom of the page. Indicative prices in 
USD $191.77

Wes


On 9/18/2018 1:53 PM, donovanf at starpower.net wrote:
> Hi Wes,
>
> Thanks for forwarding the information about DG5MK's new FA-VA5
> VNA.? What is its current selling price?
>
> If you use many BNC connectors, you'll notice a distinct difference in
> connector quality especially above 100 MHz.? Avoid using BNC male
> connectors with weak?tension when you turn the bayonette
> to engage the connector.? If the bayonette turns too easily it doesn't
> maintain sufficient engagement force to keep the RF connections
> in proper alignment.
>
> 73
> Frank
> W3LPL
>


From c-hawley at illinois.edu  Tue Sep 18 18:48:35 2018
From: c-hawley at illinois.edu (hawley, charles j jr)
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2018 22:48:35 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] loss of RX sensitivity
In-Reply-To: <1e6e24fe-5caa-7ed2-6b4a-6ea8fac496af@triconet.org>
References: <1836022939.17530244.1537229092087.JavaMail.root@starpower.net>,
	<1e6e24fe-5caa-7ed2-6b4a-6ea8fac496af@triconet.org>
Message-ID: <276D3D6C9D5C8C4484211E9839FDE1AB4A301FC2@CITESMBX5.ad.uillinois.edu>

I've worn a BNC out on a Tek scope once or twice in 35 years...

Chuck Hawley
 c-hawley at illinois.edu

 Amateur Radio, KE9UW
 aka Jack, BMW Motorcycles
________________________________________
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] on behalf of Wes Stewart [wes_n7ws at triconet.org]
Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2018 12:51 PM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] loss of RX sensitivity

It's difficult to argue with Frank's experience and expertise.  That said, fools
rush in...

I own some network analyzers, 1) an N2PK which I built with type N connectors,
2) a DG8SAQ VNWA-3, supplied with SMA connectors and 3) a RigExpert AA-55 Zoom
with a SO239.  Professionally, I've used analyzers with type N, 3.5mm (beadless
SMA) and K connectors. With the exception of the AA-55, which only goes to 55
MHz, all of these can be calibrated with "precision" calibration kits that can
cost thousands of dollars.  So far, Frank is right, not a BNC in the bunch.

But that has changed with the introduction of the DG5MK's FA-VA5, one-port
vector analyzer.  I am on the reserve list to buy one of these.  The thing to
note is that it is supplied with a BNC connector.  There has been a lot of
anguish, heartburn, etc about this on the VNWA Yahoo group but the consensus is
that it will be fine and BNC calibration kit has been developed and tested
without issue. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8Z7veGV57o

There are tens of thousands of BNCs on oscilloscopes and other instruments and
I've seldom had an issue with them in 30+ years of lab work.  For quick
disconnect I also use short jumper cables with BNCs to break the connections
between the hardline running to the tower and the cable entrance to the shack
during lightning season.  Admittedly, I'm only running 500 W.  When I can leave
them more permanently connected I revert to type N.

Wes  N7WS

From wa8wzg at wa8wzg.net  Tue Sep 18 18:44:13 2018
From: wa8wzg at wa8wzg.net (wa8wzg at wa8wzg.net)
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2018 16:44:13 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] WTB ..XV 222 Transverter
Message-ID: <374d9c54ce9e02f2992be04365d53219@wa8wzg.net>

To all..
Anyone out there have a 222 Elecraft Transvertor for sale,,
Let me know
you can reply off forum to wa8wzg at wa8wzg.net
Thanks in Advance
Tom
N7GP
Ex WA8WZG

From n4pd at verizon.net  Tue Sep 18 20:17:34 2018
From: n4pd at verizon.net (Paul Dluehosh)
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2018 20:17:34 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft K-3 For Sale
Message-ID: <8a031958-c92e-0f5c-fcc8-f0386a1455f6@verizon.net>

The following K3 from a Silent Key's estate is for sale. It was used in 
a non-smoking/ air-conditioned environment. It has a high serial number 
(08513) and is in pristine condition. I have listed some of the major 
additions to the basic transceiver.

The K3 is being offered for $3000, but will entertain other reasonable 
offers. All proceed will go to the Silent Key's widow.

I would prefer to place this transceiver in the DC area, but it can be 
shipped for an additional shipping charge (in it's original box).

Please contact me if you would like to buy this transceiver or if you 
have any additional questions about it.

Thanks, 73,
Paul -- N4PD
n4pd at ieee.org
571-233-8578 (c)

K3 + Accessories 	
	Current $$
	Sale $
K3-100*
	
	2649.95
	1800.00
Sub-receiver
	KRX3A
	699.95
	500.00
Filter, 6K (RX1)
	KFL3A-6K
	149.95
	100.00
Filter, 2.8K (RX1)
	KFL3A-2.8K
	149.95
	100.00
Filter, 2.7k (RX2)
	KFL3A - 2.8_2.7sw
	139.95
	90.00
Filter, 400Hz (RX1)
	KFL3A-400
	169.95
	120.00
Filter, 400Hz (RX2)
	KFL3A-400
	169.95
	120.00
Internal Antenna Tuner
	KAT3A 	399.95
	300.00

	
	
	
Totals
	
	4529.60
	3130.00

*current price is for a basic K3s since the K3 is no longer sold by 
Elecraft. Base price for a K3 was about $2400, as I recall.

From seatools.w6zl at gmail.com  Tue Sep 18 20:20:22 2018
From: seatools.w6zl at gmail.com (David Lee)
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2018 17:20:22 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] FS: PR6-10 6m - 10m preamp (not PR6, not for K3S)
Message-ID: <60a03287-f605-1bb3-5b62-7ecd44d70738@gmail.com>

For Sale, New, never used, PR6-10 for K3.

PR6-10? Low Noise (0.7 dB typ) 6m thru 10m Preamp (22 to 54 MHz) (KXV3 Required for K3)

Elecraft list $169.95 will sell for $120.

Please contact off list.

mailto:seatools.w6zl at gmail.com

73,
David Lee / W6ZL




From w5jr.lists at gmail.com  Tue Sep 18 20:57:48 2018
From: w5jr.lists at gmail.com (Mike - W5JR)
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2018 20:57:48 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] WTB: Pair of K3 K3SYN3A
Message-ID: <FD84796D-D8A7-4B0B-A24A-4EDA8095E57D@gmail.com>

Well, darn, missed the earlier ones for sale. 

So, on the off chance that someone else has a couple they want to part with, please send me a direct email. 

tnx
Mike / W5JR
Alpharetta GA


From ae0mm at protonmail.com  Tue Sep 18 21:27:32 2018
From: ae0mm at protonmail.com (AE0MM)
Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2018 01:27:32 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 C22 calibration
Message-ID: <iV7Fljuweml-K1iPq3hSpGOYemfaSiJCxNLiBKAMFdTyUctYtUHOqkghjA5vAUa3EfQEhS7Lt0HVMSBIzRo-CIZe9BhPFcrx3mT25hVNiiA=@protonmail.com>

Just completed assembly of my K2. The VFO display reads about 1.5KHz high. I've attempted several times to calibrate it by adjusting C22, but I'm not able to get the frequency of TP1 on the 30m band any lower than ~14.9154MHz (while the vfo set to zero beat with a 10MHz signal) without it causing the radio to stop responding.

When c22 is adjusted to a point where it lowers the frequency of TP1 below 14.915, the display freezes and it stops responding to button presses. If the power is cycled, no relays click and the display has no indication of life. When c22 is returned to the previous setting, the radio becomes responsive.

What should the next steps be?

Thanks,
--mark/ae0mm

From aj4tf at arrl.net  Wed Sep 19 00:44:55 2018
From: aj4tf at arrl.net (aj4tf)
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2018 21:44:55 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] [K2]  K2 # 7841 is working
Message-ID: <1537332295190-0.post@n2.nabble.com>

With some assistance from Don, W3FPR, K2 # 7841 assembly has been completed
successfully. 

I found that the J310 FETs that came with the kit were slightly too slow to
make the synthesizer operate. Apparently this is an issue with the latest
batch of J310s.  There's a couple of solutions for this:  (1) install a 10
pF cap between the source and ground of Q19 or (2) use a different J310.   I
tried both solutions, they both worked.  In the end I elected to source some
J310s from kitsandparts.com which were an older vintage, and it worked fine
without the extra capacitor.

I also found that the trimmer caps for the 10m/12m bandpass filter (C44,
C46) were very touchy;  I thought for a while that 12 meter TX was not
working, but I finally got them tuned up so that I had good output power on
12m.  

I built # 7006 about 9 years ago (which is still working well), and was
really wanting to do another one,  so I went ahead and ordered it while we
still can.  

73, David AJ4TF






--
Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/

From g8kbvdave at googlemail.com  Wed Sep 19 04:16:08 2018
From: g8kbvdave at googlemail.com (Dave B)
Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2018 09:16:08 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] loss of RX sensitivity
In-Reply-To: <mailman.2226.1537296345.3450.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
References: <mailman.2226.1537296345.3450.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID: <93d19363-44a7-6eee-459d-2a7c7b71af88@googlemail.com>

Wunder, I'll second you on that!

Of all the 1000's of RF connectors I've assembled and used over the
years for my own hobby and at work.? The venerable "UHF" series have
always proved to be the nastiest most unreliable types ever.? Period.

All my own personal radio kit, either get's them replaced (Sadly, not
always an easy job) with a N or BNC (in one case, a TNC.)? Or a BNC (or
N) adapter is securely fitted as a permanent fixture (including LocTite
on the threads, in mobile/portable situations!)

I also use BNC's at HF, as we do at work.?? They can happily carry well
over 150W at up to 220MHz even in the presence of some very bad VSWR's
(6:1 or higher.)? Assemble them correctly and look after them
physically, and they will last a lifetime.

The UHF series are just plain unreliable.? It is no surprise that the
military (NATO) don't use them any more.

73.

Dave G0WBX (also G8KBV)


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> To: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
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> The next time someone challenges me on why I only use BNC and Type N connectors, I?m going to send them this entire discussion.
>
> wunder
> K6WRU
> Walter Underwood
> CM87wj
> http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog)

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From k4to.dave at gmail.com  Wed Sep 19 07:56:22 2018
From: k4to.dave at gmail.com (Dave Sublette)
Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2018 07:56:22 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] [K2] K2 # 7841 is working
In-Reply-To: <1537332295190-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1537332295190-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <CAKynJKn7Lbi2p9gPbc_7Ut+sM=MeEe67omz-C7pXBeMT-zGSmg@mail.gmail.com>

Congratulations David,

For those of us who build, there is nothing quite like the thrill of seeing
something we have built come to life for the first time!  I hope to hear
you on the air.

73,

Dave, K4TO

K2 and KX3 owner

On Wed, Sep 19, 2018 at 12:45 AM aj4tf <aj4tf at arrl.net> wrote:

> With some assistance from Don, W3FPR, K2 # 7841 assembly has been completed
> successfully.
>
> I found that the J310 FETs that came with the kit were slightly too slow to
> make the synthesizer operate. Apparently this is an issue with the latest
> batch of J310s.  There's a couple of solutions for this:  (1) install a 10
> pF cap between the source and ground of Q19 or (2) use a different J310.
>  I
> tried both solutions, they both worked.  In the end I elected to source
> some
> J310s from kitsandparts.com which were an older vintage, and it worked
> fine
> without the extra capacitor.
>
> I also found that the trimmer caps for the 10m/12m bandpass filter (C44,
> C46) were very touchy;  I thought for a while that 12 meter TX was not
> working, but I finally got them tuned up so that I had good output power on
> 12m.
>
> I built # 7006 about 9 years ago (which is still working well), and was
> really wanting to do another one,  so I went ahead and ordered it while we
> still can.
>
> 73, David AJ4TF
>
>
>
>
>
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From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Wed Sep 19 07:59:10 2018
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2018 07:59:10 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 C22 calibration
In-Reply-To: <iV7Fljuweml-K1iPq3hSpGOYemfaSiJCxNLiBKAMFdTyUctYtUHOqkghjA5vAUa3EfQEhS7Lt0HVMSBIzRo-CIZe9BhPFcrx3mT25hVNiiA=@protonmail.com>
References: <iV7Fljuweml-K1iPq3hSpGOYemfaSiJCxNLiBKAMFdTyUctYtUHOqkghjA5vAUa3EfQEhS7Lt0HVMSBIzRo-CIZe9BhPFcrx3mT25hVNiiA=@protonmail.com>
Message-ID: <4bcd1f38-330f-e921-11fb-4607e3311b4f@embarqmail.com>

Mark,

The setting of C22 does not control the frequency readout directly.  The 
frequency readout uses the contents of the EEPROM that are produced when 
you do the CAL PLL and CAL FIL procedures.

The only time C22 must be set correctly is just before you do a CAL PLL 
or a CAL FIL.  At other times it is just a clock for the MCU and does 
not need to be accurate.

I suggest you read the K2 Dial Calibration article on my website 
www.w3fpr.com and proceed according to those instructions.

73,
Don W3FPR



On 9/18/2018 9:27 PM, AE0MM via Elecraft wrote:
> Just completed assembly of my K2. The VFO display reads about 1.5KHz high. I've attempted several times to calibrate it by adjusting C22, but I'm not able to get the frequency of TP1 on the 30m band any lower than ~14.9154MHz (while the vfo set to zero beat with a 10MHz signal) without it causing the radio to stop responding.
> 
> When c22 is adjusted to a point where it lowers the frequency of TP1 below 14.915, the display freezes and it stops responding to button presses. If the power is cycled, no relays click and the display has no indication of life. When c22 is returned to the previous setting, the radio becomes responsive.
> 

From g8kbvdave at googlemail.com  Wed Sep 19 08:28:36 2018
From: g8kbvdave at googlemail.com (Dave B)
Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2018 13:28:36 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] loss of RX sensitivity
In-Reply-To: <29F696A9-AB5F-4454-A3AA-B25A526562CE@gmail.com>
References: <mailman.2226.1537296345.3450.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
	<93d19363-44a7-6eee-459d-2a7c7b71af88@googlemail.com>
	<29F696A9-AB5F-4454-A3AA-B25A526562CE@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c4774a87-9ab3-3274-0d7c-7d1ab5120078@googlemail.com>

Hi Jim.

Mostly, N connectors, BNC's, TNC's, SC and 7-16's.? And for the big
stuff, EIA flange connectors.? Plus some other weird stuff.? (3 lug
BNC's and such, to prevent the "wrong connection".)??? The odd
appearance of the C connector on some US kit too.?? Some "Spinner" 'BN'
series connectors to, also often seen in the European Broadcast industry
and some military.

A lot of US equipment also still use the various unique to the US
connectors, often seen on big Bird loads etc.? Not so common over hear.

That based on what I've seen on kit "being tested" at customers sites
over the last 28 years.

The only UHF series connector commercially used, that I've personally
seen in that time frame is on a very old design of screened room weld
crack detector, and it's a nightmare to use as it's always working loose.

To Charlie.

The threads have no part to play in the RF path on a UHF connector, it's
all down to the two outer mating faces being pressed together.? The
older (so called) MIL spec types, that had all the castelations at that
point were *MUCH* better because of it, as they sort of interlocked and
made a much better contact due to the metal to metal force
multiplication that results..?? They also tended not to rotate relative
to each other so the retaining ring stayed tight.? Basic mechanical
design feature, missing on the modern versions, where the two parts can
rotate, even when the ring is (allegedly) tight.

The modern stuff with the 4 slots on the socket, and two bumps on the
plug, are just utter crap.? (Built down to a cost.)

I'm amazed that no maker has innovated gone back to the original design,
and fitted a crinkle spring washer behind the locking ring, so that
contact pressure can be maintained, and also helping to keep the threads
from working loose when subject to vibration...

But even then, they'd still only be of any practical use below 100MHz
due to the impedance mismatch issue.?? (Originally for use below 30MHz.)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UHF_connector

Stick with BNC's, N's and if you have too, 7-16's.? They are all easy to
fit to cable with practice, no special tools needed unless you insist on
the crimp types, and then you *MUST* have the correct tooling for that
particular make of connector.

The pressure gland fitting types, are also easy to remove, clean up and
re-fit if a cable becomes damaged.

All it takes is some practice.? Buy some surplus ex-military patch
leads, and practice removing and refitting them.? After a few of each it
becomes very easy.

73.

??? Dave G0WBX.


On 19/09/18 12:15, Jim Miller wrote:
> Hi Dave
>
> What does NATO use in place of pl259?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Jim ab3cv 
>
> On Sep 19, 2018, at 4:16 AM, Dave B via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
>
> Wunder, I'll second you on that!
>
> Of all the 1000's of RF connectors I've assembled and used over the
> years for my own hobby and at work.  The venerable "UHF" series have
> always proved to be the nastiest most unreliable types ever.  Period.
>
> All my own personal radio kit, either get's them replaced (Sadly, not
> always an easy job) with a N or BNC (in one case, a TNC.)  Or a BNC (or
> N) adapter is securely fitted as a permanent fixture (including LocTite
> on the threads, in mobile/portable situations!)
>
> I also use BNC's at HF, as we do at work.   They can happily carry well
> over 150W at up to 220MHz even in the presence of some very bad VSWR's
> (6:1 or higher.)  Assemble them correctly and look after them
> physically, and they will last a lifetime.
>
> The UHF series are just plain unreliable.  It is no surprise that the
> military (NATO) don't use them any more.
>
> 73.
>
> Dave G0WBX (also G8KBV)
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> On 18/09/18 19:45, elecraft-request at mailman.qth.net wrote:
>> Message: 1
>> Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2018 16:45:10 -0700
>> From: Walter Underwood <wunder at wunderwood.org>
>> To: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] loss of RX sensitivity
>> Message-ID: <CEF1DF11-28D1-4409-8023-4C4CA0C81B4A at wunderwood.org>
>> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset=utf-8
>>
>> The next time someone challenges me on why I only use BNC and Type N connectors, I?m going to send them this entire discussion.
>>
>> wunder
>> K6WRU
>> Walter Underwood
>> CM87wj
>> http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog)

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From bborch at gmail.com  Wed Sep 19 08:46:08 2018
From: bborch at gmail.com (Burl Borcherding)
Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2018 08:46:08 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 - Static IPv4 address
Message-ID: <509FBD07-77FD-4638-B2B9-58E2E80A1C64@gmail.com>

Is it possible to set a static IP address on this amp?  I am thinking using one of my static IPv4 address and port 1500.  This would eliminate the local /server computer.
Or is there a better method of using remote K3, KPA1500 and RemoteRig?  I want to be able to use the KPA1500 app to monitor the amp.

Burl,  AJ9Q

From rccutter at gmail.com  Wed Sep 19 08:51:15 2018
From: rccutter at gmail.com (Richard Cutter)
Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2018 08:51:15 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Digest, Vol 173, Issue 14
In-Reply-To: <mailman.2226.1537296345.3450.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
References: <mailman.2226.1537296345.3450.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID: <E537963A-FA04-4FED-A54B-45794B21E040@gmail.com>

Many hams solder the PL259 connectors but don?t remove excess solder from the tip of the center conductor pin.   The older (high quality) SO239 female connectors had a machined center contact that had some spring compliance that were more tolerant of this defect.   Many of the recent (cheap) female connectors have rolled metal contact that deform when poorly soldered and do not spring back.  I have seen expensive amplifiers fail because the is poor or even no connection of the center pin.  



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>   3. Re: loss of RX sensitivity (Wes Stewart)
>   4. Re: loss of RX sensitivity (donovanf at starpower.net)
>   5. Re: loss of RX sensitivity (hawley, charles j jr)
>   6. KAT500 Antenna Grounding (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
>   7. Time Sync Program for Mac (Richard)
>   8. Re: Time Sync Program for Mac (John Stengrevics)
>   9. KPA-1500 and Remotehams.com (Peter Dougherty (W2IRT))
>  10. Re: Time Sync Program for Mac (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
>  11. Re: KAT500 Antenna Grounding (Wes Stewart)
>  12. Entertaining Tales (Bob DeHaney)
>  13. Re: KX3 encoder dying? (George Pasek)
>  14. Re: KAT500 Antenna Grounding (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
>  15. Re: loss of RX sensitivity (Dr. William J. Schmidt)
>  16. OT: Type N male pin movement (Ken G Kopp)
>  17. Re: loss of RX sensitivity (donovanf at starpower.net)
>  18. K3/100-F Sold, P3F (Gene Sochor)
>  19. Re: KAT500 Antenna Grounding (Jim Brown)
>  20. P3 Panadapter (Don Schroder)
>  21. Re: P3 Panadapter (Don Wilhelm)
>  22. Re: loss of RX sensitivity (Wes Stewart)
>  23. Re: P3 Panadapter (George Thornton)
>  24. Re: P3 Panadapter (Fred Jensen)
>  25. Re: P3 Panadapter (Don Wilhelm)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2018 16:45:10 -0700
> From: Walter Underwood <wunder at wunderwood.org>
> To: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] loss of RX sensitivity
> Message-ID: <CEF1DF11-28D1-4409-8023-4C4CA0C81B4A at wunderwood.org>
> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset=utf-8
> 
> The next time someone challenges me on why I only use BNC and Type N connectors, I?m going to send them this entire discussion.
> 
> wunder
> K6WRU
> Walter Underwood
> CM87wj
> http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog)
> 
>> On Sep 17, 2018, at 4:41 PM, Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Andy,
>> 
>> The PL259 to SO239 connector "end face" contact is provided only by pressure - it is not a sliding contact as you would find in a BNC or an N connector.  The pressure is provided only by the tightening of the threaded portion of the PL259.
>> 
>> I ask you - just how much resistance can be expected if you just touch two ends of wires together without further positive contact?
>> 
>> The "insulating spacer" is any oxidation on either the SO239 or the PL259.  That is why I like silver plated UHF connectors.  They may look a bit corroded, but the silver oxide is conductive even though it can appear brown or black.  If you are shopping for UHF connectors at hamfests, avoid all those nickel-plated ones that a not Amphenol, but flock to those that are oxidized, and silver plated with Mil Spec designations on them.
>> 
>> 73,
>> Don W3FPR
>> 
>>> On 9/17/2018 6:39 PM, ANDY DURBIN wrote:
>>> " the threads of the PL259 are providing the only contact with the SO239"
>>> In the connectors that you are mating how do you prevent contact between the end face of the PL259 body and the end face of the SO239 body? You would need an insulating spacer for your statement to be true.
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> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2018 16:46:28 -0700
> From: Wes Stewart <wes_n7ws at triconet.org>
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] loss of RX sensitivity
> Message-ID: <4edb4fb7-4dec-3b77-379d-7c147885aa6e at triconet.org>
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> This is one of those, "it depends" situations.? Depending on the location of the 
> two center conductor insulators in the plug and socket, the serrated (toothed) 
> surface of the female connector might well contact the mating plug surface, if 
> there is a gap between the insulators. In fact the "tighten it with pliers" 
> crowd might actually be forcing this connection and mistakenly believing that 
> they are improving the connection via the threads.
> 
> Wes? N7WS
> 
>> On 9/17/2018 3:22 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
>> Chuck,
>> 
>> That is true, but is ignoring the fact that the threads of the PL259 are 
>> providing the only contact with the SO239.
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 3
> Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2018 16:52:04 -0700
> From: Wes Stewart <wes_n7ws at triconet.org>
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] loss of RX sensitivity
> Message-ID: <ceb83556-0242-a797-6ec2-dde6b4744288 at triconet.org>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
> 
> Pretty much my point made in another post.
> 
> In fact, I often take a perverse view of these situations and ask myself, "Self, 
> if you wanted to screw these two things together without the faces touching, how 
> difficult would it be to do?"? And of course the answer is, almost impossible.
> 
> Wes? N7ws
> 
>> On 9/17/2018 3:39 PM, ANDY DURBIN wrote:
>> " the threads of the PL259 are providing the only contact with the SO239"
>> 
>> 
>> In the connectors that you are mating how do you prevent contact between the end face of the PL259 body and the end face of the SO239 body? You would need an insulating spacer for your statement to be true.
>> 
>> 
>> 73,
>> 
>> Andy k3wyc
>> 
>> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 4
> Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2018 20:04:52 -0400 (EDT)
> From: donovanf at starpower.net
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] loss of RX sensitivity
> Message-ID:
>    <1836022939.17530244.1537229092087.JavaMail.root at starpower.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
> 
> If you have a vector network analyzer you'll discover that BNC 
> connectors aren't all that great at VHF and above, l oss and 
> impedance vary with connector axial alignment because the bayonnet 
> shell doesn't support aligh the connector body very well. Strain relief 
> is extremely important with BNC connectors. TNC connectors are 
> far superior but not widely used. 
> 
> 
> While professionally installed N connectors have superb RF 
> characteristics, all too often they're improperly installed -- even by 
> professionals -- leading to damaged connectors if the male pin is 
> misaligned, or unreliable contact if the pin or socket depth is just a 
> few millimeters less than the manufacturers specification. I use 
> only captive pin male N connectors, avoiding the most severe 
> problems. I never use female N connectors on cables, the N sockets 
> are much too fragile. 
> 
> 
> Its hard to beat high quality silver plated UHF connectors at HF and 
> 6 meters. But its important to use a tool to tighten them. That's a 
> small price to pay for a very reliable connector. 
> 
> 
> 73 
> Frank 
> W3LPL 
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> 
> From: "Walter Underwood" <wunder at wunderwood.org> 
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net 
> Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 11:45:10 PM 
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] loss of RX sensitivity 
> 
> The next time someone challenges me on why I only use BNC and Type N connectors, I?m going to send them this entire discussion. 
> 
> wunder 
> K6WRU 
> Walter Underwood 
> CM87wj 
> http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) 
> 
>> On Sep 17, 2018, at 4:41 PM, Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com> wrote: 
>> 
>> Andy, 
>> 
>> The PL259 to SO239 connector "end face" contact is provided only by pressure - it is not a sliding contact as you would find in a BNC or an N connector. The pressure is provided only by the tightening of the threaded portion of the PL259. 
>> 
>> I ask you - just how much resistance can be expected if you just touch two ends of wires together without further positive contact? 
>> 
>> The "insulating spacer" is any oxidation on either the SO239 or the PL259. That is why I like silver plated UHF connectors. They may look a bit corroded, but the silver oxide is conductive even though it can appear brown or black. If you are shopping for UHF connectors at hamfests, avoid all those nickel-plated ones that a not Amphenol, but flock to those that are oxidized, and silver plated with Mil Spec designations on them. 
>> 
>> 73, 
>> Don W3FPR 
>> 
>>> On 9/17/2018 6:39 PM, ANDY DURBIN wrote: 
>>> " the threads of the PL259 are providing the only contact with the SO239" 
>>> In the connectors that you are mating how do you prevent contact between the end face of the PL259 body and the end face of the SO239 body? You would need an insulating spacer for your statement to be true. 
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> Message: 5
> Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2018 00:10:14 +0000
> From: "hawley, charles j jr" <c-hawley at illinois.edu>
> To: Walter Underwood <wunder at wunderwood.org>
> Cc: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] loss of RX sensitivity
> Message-ID: <3F540CCA-95CC-4DDF-9E06-389F999D4B11 at illinois.edu>
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> Trouble is I have to put adapters on the equipment and then go to bnc 
> 
> Chuck Jack 
> KE9UW
> 
> Sent from my iPhone, cjack 
> 
>> On Sep 17, 2018, at 6:46 PM, Walter Underwood <wunder at wunderwood.org> wrote:
>> 
>> The next time someone challenges me on why I only use BNC and Type N connectors, I?m going to send them this entire discussion.
>> 
>> wunder
>> K6WRU
>> Walter Underwood
>> CM87wj
>> http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog)
>> 
>>> On Sep 17, 2018, at 4:41 PM, Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Andy,
>>> 
>>> The PL259 to SO239 connector "end face" contact is provided only by pressure - it is not a sliding contact as you would find in a BNC or an N connector.  The pressure is provided only by the tightening of the threaded portion of the PL259.
>>> 
>>> I ask you - just how much resistance can be expected if you just touch two ends of wires together without further positive contact?
>>> 
>>> The "insulating spacer" is any oxidation on either the SO239 or the PL259.  That is why I like silver plated UHF connectors.  They may look a bit corroded, but the silver oxide is conductive even though it can appear brown or black.  If you are shopping for UHF connectors at hamfests, avoid all those nickel-plated ones that a not Amphenol, but flock to those that are oxidized, and silver plated with Mil Spec designations on them.
>>> 
>>> 73,
>>> Don W3FPR
>>> 
>>>> On 9/17/2018 6:39 PM, ANDY DURBIN wrote:
>>>> " the threads of the PL259 are providing the only contact with the SO239"
>>>> In the connectors that you are mating how do you prevent contact between the end face of the PL259 body and the end face of the SO239 body? You would need an insulating spacer for your statement to be true.
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> Message: 6
> Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2018 21:00:22 -0500
> From: Bob McGraw K4TAX <rmcgraw at blomand.net>
> To: Elecraft List <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 Antenna Grounding
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> I didn't find the answer in the manual, so I'll ask here.?? I do see in 
> the manual where bleed resistors are applied to the unused antenna 
> terminals to bleed off static charges.? {page 15, Antenna 
> Selector......... etc}
> 
> My question, do the relays in the tuner take the center conductor of all 
> three antenna terminals to ground when power is removed? I see that it 
> switches to ANT 1 when power is off. ?? I suppose I could remove the 
> covers and explore for myself, and I'll do just that if no one confirms 
> one way or the other.?? Anyone have a schematic?? That would be nice.
> 
> 
> 73
> 
> Bob, K4TAX
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 7
> Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2018 22:13:46 -0400
> From: Richard <FlatHat at comcast.net>
> To: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: [Elecraft] Time Sync Program for Mac
> Message-ID: <A4241D22-18FF-4064-B844-39F90C339EBB at comcast.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
> 
> What?s a good simple stand-alone application to keep my Mac?s clock razor sharp for FT8?
> 
> I find that WSJT-X 1.8.0 is triggering my K3S? transmitter up to a full second late sometimes, typically 0.5 second late.
> 
> Cheers!
> Richard ? W4KBX
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 8
> Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2018 22:16:18 -0400
> From: John Stengrevics <jstengrevics at comcast.net>
> To: Richard <FlatHat at comcast.net>
> Cc: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Time Sync Program for Mac
> Message-ID: <4C05F2E7-5902-4AE4-80BA-8326688BFF75 at comcast.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset=utf-8
> 
> Richard,
> 
> In System Preferences, input us.pool.ntp.org <http://us.pool.ntp.org/>
> 
> Works fine for my Mac.
> 
> 73,
> 
> John
> WA1EAZ
> 
>> On Sep 17, 2018, at 10:13 PM, Richard <FlatHat at comcast.net> wrote:
>> 
>> What?s a good simple stand-alone application to keep my Mac?s clock razor sharp for FT8?
>> 
>> I find that WSJT-X 1.8.0 is triggering my K3S? transmitter up to a full second late sometimes, typically 0.5 second late.
>> 
>> Cheers!
>> Richard ? W4KBX
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> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 9
> Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2018 22:29:52 -0400
> From: "Peter Dougherty \(W2IRT\)" <lists at w2irt.net>
> To: <Elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 and Remotehams.com
> Message-ID: <000301d44ef7$7b8b1c70$72a15550$@net>
> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="us-ascii"
> 
> Hi all,
> I'd like to be able to use my KPA-1500 with Remotehams, but I'm not sure how
> to set this up. First off, the baud rate is limited in the RCFOrb server app
> to 115200, and secondly, I'm guessing I have to open a port somewhere??
> 
> If the only way to do this is drop the baud rate on the KPA, what else will
> have to change in other software or with the K3s in order to communicate? I
> have the amp running on COM-14, and it is also on my LAN.
> 
> Thanks in advance.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ----------------------------------------------------
> 
> Regards,
> Peter Dougherty, W2IRT
> 
> DXCC Card Checker/CQ-WAZ Checkpoint
> 
> www.facebook.com/W2IRT
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 10
> Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2018 21:31:42 -0500
> From: Bob McGraw K4TAX <rmcgraw at blomand.net>
> To: Richard <FlatHat at comcast.net>
> Cc: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Time Sync Program for Mac
> Message-ID: <7B7A4950-4D7A-4416-AC16-9D2838EBCAE5 at blomand.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset=utf-8
> 
> I first suggest updating to the most current version of WSJT-X. 
> 
> On receiving FT8 signals, what is the DT time shown for most received signals?  Should be less than 1 second and typically less than 0.3 seconds.  If so there is nothing wrong with your computer time. 
> 
> Likely the delay is processing time, computer or interface or a TX delay set in the application. 
> 
> Bob, K4TAX
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 17, 2018, at 9:13 PM, Richard <FlatHat at comcast.net> wrote:
>> 
>> What?s a good simple stand-alone application to keep my Mac?s clock razor sharp for FT8?
>> 
>> I find that WSJT-X 1.8.0 is triggering my K3S? transmitter up to a full second late sometimes, typically 0.5 second late.
>> 
>> Cheers!
>> Richard ? W4KBX
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> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 11
> Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2018 20:30:10 -0700
> From: Wes Stewart <wes_n7ws at triconet.org>
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KAT500 Antenna Grounding
> Message-ID: <1caa5325-2af2-56c8-8ac5-251bed28e1c5 at triconet.org>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
> 
> Unpowered, the input is connected to Ant 1.? Each output has a 1 meg resistor to 
> ground, other than that just open relay contacts.
> 
> Wes? N7WS.
> 
> 
> ?On 9/17/2018 7:00 PM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote:
>> I didn't find the answer in the manual, so I'll ask here.?? I do see in the 
>> manual where bleed resistors are applied to the unused antenna terminals to 
>> bleed off static charges.? {page 15, Antenna Selector......... etc}
>> 
>> My question, do the relays in the tuner take the center conductor of all three 
>> antenna terminals to ground when power is removed? I see that it switches to 
>> ANT 1 when power is off. ?? I suppose I could remove the covers and explore 
>> for myself, and I'll do just that if no one confirms one way or the other.?? 
>> Anyone have a schematic?? That would be nice.
>> 
>> 
>> 73
>> 
>> Bob, K4TAX
>> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 12
> Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2018 11:42:42 +0200
> From: "Bob DeHaney" <bobdehaney at gmx.net>
> To: <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: [Elecraft] Entertaining Tales
> Message-ID: <001a01d44f33$f28277b0$d7876710$@gmx.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="utf-8"
> 
> Guys, W4MLE (SK) was just trying to tell me that Propagation and Antennas will always be waiting to surprise me by functioning unexpectedly. 
> 
> 
> 
> For instance, using a light bulb as a dummy load and having a QSO with the light bulb as my antenna.  Or calling CQ in the afternoon on 40m with 75 Watts into a low, more or less tuned dipole, and having I1ER come back to me as my very first Trans-Atlantic QSO.  I think that?s when the DX Bug bit me ?
> 
> 
> 
> Vy 73 de Bob DJ0RD/WU5T
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 13
> Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2018 07:26:26 -0500
> From: "George Pasek" <pasek001 at umn.edu>
> To: "Bob McGraw K4TAX" <rmcgraw at blomand.net>
> Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 encoder dying?
> Message-ID: <CE6AAC7BB1CF4C3380261F867E4F77B7 at JRPC>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>    reply-type=original
> 
> I opted to get a RSA number from Elecraft and ship it out to them.  I no 
> longer have my workbench (or keen eyesight/steady soldering hand for that 
> matter) so I really don't want taking a chance to do that type of work on 
> something as expensive as the KX3.  I told them to replace all 4 of the 
> small encorders and I should be good-to-go for many more years.
> 
> George
> WD0AKZ
> 
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: Bob McGraw K4TAX
> Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2018 4:49 PM
> To: George Pasek
> Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 encoder dying?
> 
> Encoders can be cleaned. I've done it in several radios, several brands.  It 
> is usually necessary to open the radio, remove the encoder.  Then carefully 
> open the encoder, clean the wiper contacts and the stationary contacts with 
> contact cleaner.   These are simply a stepping switch. Only one moving part. 
> Reassemble in the reverse process.
> 
> Bob, K4TAX
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 16, 2018, at 4:39 PM, George Pasek <pasek001 at umn.edu> wrote:
>> 
>> I noticed today that when I tried to fine adjust the mic level with the 
>> mic/keyer/pwr encoder that it may display the mic level but won't change 
>> it or if it does it's very erratic.  The response is the same with the 
>> keyer speed in CW mode and when attempting to adjust the power level. 
>> Turning the knob fast usually does nothing, turning it slow may move it a 
>> bit and wiggling the knob seems the best way to see results.   I never had 
>> a problem with it till today and I have made no changes to it or it's 
>> operation.  I have been running it on WSPR at 500mw with a 2 minute Tx and 
>> 8 minute Rx for a few weeks now and always tweak the mic gain for the 
>> blinking ALC 5th bar when I change bands.  I'm assuming it's the encoder 
>> going bad and will have to be sent to the Elecraft Hospital for a part 
>> replacement surgery but I thought I'd check here first in case I'm missing 
>> something.
>> 
>> tnx
>> de George
>> WD0AKZ
>> 
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> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 14
> Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2018 08:15:53 -0500
> From: Bob McGraw K4TAX <rmcgraw at blomand.net>
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KAT500 Antenna Grounding
> Message-ID: <22fca47a-7a70-a68e-0459-6424106d6915 at blomand.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
> 
> Thanks Wes.???? I hesitated to un-stack the KPA500 off of the KAT500 and 
> disconnect all the cables.??? I suppose I need to look at my 
> configuration to reduce the likelihood of any damage to the PIN diodes 
> in the KPA500.?? Lightning protection is good on the outside of the 
> house but static discharge probably needs review.
> 
> 73
> 
> Bob, K4TAX
> 
> 
>> On 9/17/2018 10:30 PM, Wes Stewart wrote:
>> Unpowered, the input is connected to Ant 1.? Each output has a 1 meg 
>> resistor to ground, other than that just open relay contacts.
>> 
>> Wes? N7WS.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 15
> Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2018 10:29:41 -0500
> From: "Dr. William J. Schmidt" <bill at wjschmidt.com>
> To: "'Elecraft Reflector'" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] loss of RX sensitivity
> Message-ID: <01ed01d44f64$6b467310$41d35930$@wjschmidt.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="UTF-8"
> 
> 
> [[The next time someone challenges me on why I only use BNC and Type N connectors, I?m going to send them this entire discussion.]]
> 
> Unfortunately this is not perfect either.  If you use an "N" connector on long runs of heliax in a cold climate, you must be aware that the coefficients of expansion of the center conductor and the shield can be different... and on several occasions, I have seen the center pin pull back from the connector (and essentially disconnect) because the center conductor contracted more than the shield.  Nb. This does not happen with all "N" connectors.  This is less of a problem with BNC connectors because the coax used is generally has a somewhat flexible shield.
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> 
> Message: 16
> Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2018 09:40:46 -0600
> From: Ken G Kopp <kengkopp at gmail.com>
> To: "Dr. William J. Schmidt" <bill at wjschmidt.com>,    Elecraft
>    <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Type N male pin movement
> Message-ID:
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> 
> UG-1185's have captive center pins to avoid this problem.
> 
> Caution: There are two ways the Teflon spacers can be assembled.  The
> recessed sides face outward.
> 
> 73 !
> 
> K0PP
> 
> On Tue, Sep 18, 2018, 09:30 Dr. William J. Schmidt <bill at wjschmidt.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> [[The next time someone challenges me on why I only use BNC and Type N
>> connectors, I?m going to send them this entire discussion.]]
>> 
>> Unfortunately this is not perfect either.  If you use an "N" connector on
>> long runs of heliax in a cold climate, you must be aware that the
>> coefficients of expansion of the center conductor and the shield can be
>> different... and on several occasions, I have seen the center pin pull back
>> from the connector (and essentially disconnect) because the center
>> conductor contracted more than the shield.  Nb. This does not happen with
>> all "N" connectors.  This is less of a problem with BNC connectors because
>> the coax used is generally has a somewhat flexible shield.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 17
> Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2018 11:46:50 -0400 (EDT)
> From: donovanf at starpower.net
> To: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] loss of RX sensitivity
> Message-ID:
>    <477163436.19004364.1537285610457.JavaMail.root at starpower.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
> 
> Captivated pin N connectors completely resolve the problem of the 
> center pin pulling back in cold weather. 
> 
> 
> 73 
> Frank 
> W3LPL 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> 
> From: "Dr. William J. Schmidt" <bill at wjschmidt.com> 
> To: "Elecraft Reflector" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> 
> Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2018 3:29:41 PM 
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] loss of RX sensitivity 
> 
> 
> [[The next time someone challenges me on why I only use BNC and Type N connectors, I?m going to send them this entire discussion.]] 
> 
> Unfortunately this is not perfect either. If you use an "N" connector on long runs of heliax in a cold climate, you must be aware that the coefficients of expansion of the center conductor and the shield can be different... and on several occasions, I have seen the center pin pull back from the connector (and essentially disconnect) because the center conductor contracted more than the shield. Nb. This does not happen with all "N" connectors. This is less of a problem with BNC connectors because the coax used is generally has a somewhat flexible shield. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> Message: 18
> Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2018 10:50:25 -0500
> From: Gene Sochor <gsochor at interaccess.com>
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [Elecraft] K3/100-F Sold, P3F
> Message-ID: <201809181550.w8IFoSu1028050 at mail40c28.carrierzone.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
> 
> K3/100-F s/n 6587 has been sold.
> 
> P3-F s/n 2191 New, unopened in original packing is available for 
> $500.  Shipping included continental US
> 
> This had been purchased paired with a K3 for an SO2R station that was 
> never configured.
> 
> Gene Sochor N9SW   Cell: 630-404-8100
> PO Bo 413
> Wayne, IL 60184
> gsochor at interaccess.com
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 19
> Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2018 09:20:54 -0700
> From: Jim Brown <jim at audiosystemsgroup.com>
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KAT500 Antenna Grounding
> Message-ID:
>    <6ae8bafd-713f-5418-55da-b0ad63296b90 at audiosystemsgroup.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
> 
>> On 9/18/2018 6:15 AM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote:
>> Lightning protection is good on the outside of the house but static 
>> discharge probably needs review. 
> 
> Bob,
> 
> Take a look at the arrestors that Array Solutions sells, which are the 
> circuit that were built under the ICE name until the owner died a decade 
> or so ago, and that they sold. I'm now using them, and have them mounted 
> in a large Hoffman enclosure. I like the circuit because I believe it is 
> a better solution to the discharge problem, and I like their 
> construction because the GDT is user replaceable. If you lose the GDT in 
> a Polyphaser you throw it away and buy a new one.
> 
> https://www.arraysolutions.com/surge-and-rf-protection/as-303u
> 
> 73, Jim K9YC
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 20
> Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2018 16:53:25 +0000
> From: Don Schroder <donanddeena at hotmail.com>
> To: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Panadapter
> Message-ID:
>    <MW2PR02MB38499742FBE8D82C7FA0B1C2AA1D0 at MW2PR02MB3849.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
>    
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> 
> Morning!
> 
> I have a kit K2 s/n 7818 that is about 2/3rds complete. I?m a newbie and this is my first radio. I?ve been  looking at additions for my non-existent ham shack and am curious about the Elecraft P3. Looking at the advertising, I see it is for the K3 & K3s, and other radios.
> 
> Hence, my question. How many of you consider the P3 to be a must have, and can it be used with a K2 transceiver? As a side note, what other optional equipment to the K2 would you consider necessary?
> 
> Thanks, and 73!
> Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 21
> Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2018 13:12:42 -0400
> From: Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com>
> To: Don Schroder <donanddeena at hotmail.com>,    "elecraft at mailman.qth.net"
>    <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 Panadapter
> Message-ID: <09776cee-ad62-7290-56bc-0f695a27884a at embarqmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
> 
> Don,
> 
> You can use it with the K3 (the P3 input can be tuned anywhere between 
> 455kHz and 21 MHz).
> You will have to add an IF output to the K2.  DX Engineering is now 
> selling the Clifton Labs buffer amplifier which can be used for that 
> purpose.
> 
> I don't know what documentation is being sent with the DX Engineering 
> kit, but if you need it, I can supply the original Clifton Labs document 
> for the K2.
> 
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
> 
>> On 9/18/2018 12:53 PM, Don Schroder wrote:
>> Morning!
>> 
>> I have a kit K2 s/n 7818 that is about 2/3rds complete. I?m a newbie and this is my first radio. I?ve been  looking at additions for my non-existent ham shack and am curious about the Elecraft P3. Looking at the advertising, I see it is for the K3 & K3s, and other radios.
>> 
>> Hence, my question. How many of you consider the P3 to be a must have, and can it be used with a K2 transceiver? As a side note, what other optional equipment to the K2 would you consider necessary?
>> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 22
> Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2018 10:51:45 -0700
> From: Wes Stewart <wes_n7ws at triconet.org>
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] loss of RX sensitivity
> Message-ID: <1e6e24fe-5caa-7ed2-6b4a-6ea8fac496af at triconet.org>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
> 
> It's difficult to argue with Frank's experience and expertise.? That said, fools 
> rush in...
> 
> I own some network analyzers, 1) an N2PK which I built with type N connectors, 
> 2) a DG8SAQ VNWA-3, supplied with SMA connectors and 3) a RigExpert AA-55 Zoom 
> with a SO239.? Professionally, I've used analyzers with type N, 3.5mm (beadless 
> SMA) and K connectors. With the exception of the AA-55, which only goes to 55 
> MHz, all of these can be calibrated with "precision" calibration kits that can 
> cost thousands of dollars.? So far, Frank is right, not a BNC in the bunch.
> 
> But that has changed with the introduction of the DG5MK's FA-VA5, one-port 
> vector analyzer.? I am on the reserve list to buy one of these.? The thing to 
> note is that it is supplied with a BNC connector.? There has been a lot of 
> anguish, heartburn, etc about this on the VNWA Yahoo group but the consensus is 
> that it will be fine and BNC calibration kit has been developed and tested 
> without issue. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8Z7veGV57o
> 
> There are tens of thousands of BNCs on oscilloscopes and other instruments and 
> I've seldom had an issue with them in 30+ years of lab work.? For quick 
> disconnect I also use short jumper cables with BNCs to break the connections 
> between the hardline running to the tower and the cable entrance to the shack 
> during lightning season.? Admittedly, I'm only running 500 W.? When I can leave 
> them more permanently connected I revert to type N.
> 
> Wes? N7WS
> 
>> On 9/17/2018 5:04 PM, donovanf at starpower.net wrote:
>> If you have a vector network analyzer you'll discover that BNC
>> connectors aren't all that great at VHF and above, l oss and
>> impedance vary with connector axial alignment because the bayonnet
>> shell doesn't support aligh the connector body very well. Strain relief
>> is extremely important with BNC connectors. TNC connectors are
>> far superior but not widely used.
>> 
>> 
>> While professionally installed N connectors have superb RF
>> characteristics, all too often they're improperly installed -- even by
>> professionals -- leading to damaged connectors if the male pin is
>> misaligned, or unreliable contact if the pin or socket depth is just a
>> few millimeters less than the manufacturers specification. I use
>> only captive pin male N connectors, avoiding the most severe
>> problems. I never use female N connectors on cables, the N sockets
>> are much too fragile.
>> 
>> 
>> Its hard to beat high quality silver plated UHF connectors at HF and
>> 6 meters. But its important to use a tool to tighten them. That's a
>> small price to pay for a very reliable connector.
>> 
>> 
>> 73
>> Frank
>> W3LPL
>> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 23
> Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2018 17:59:28 +0000
> From: George Thornton <gthornton at thorntonmostullaw.com>
> To: "donwilh at embarqmail.com" <donwilh at embarqmail.com>, Don Schroder
>    <donanddeena at hotmail.com>, "elecraft at mailman.qth.net"
>    <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 Panadapter
> Message-ID:
>    <CY4PR1601MB1352E696A89558BAE790AC5AB41D0 at CY4PR1601MB1352.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
>    
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> 
> I have owned both the K2 and K3.  Perhaps the most fun I had in HAM radio was building the K2.   I learned a lot about soldering and assembly techniques.  
> 
> Electronics technology has advanced with miniaturization and surface mount parts.  The skill and equipment requirements for surface mount work is beyond the average amateur.  Elecraft does not offer kits that require surface mount work.
> 
> The assembly process for the K3 is much less satisfying than with the K2.   All circuit boards come pre-assembled and you are pretty much just building the box and plugging things in.  
> 
> I also have worked extensively with the P3.   I find it very helpful.  There is a wealth of knowledge you get from being able to visually see the spectrum you are working.  
> 
> That being said, some of the advantages of the P3 come from its close integration with the K3.  I would believe that close integration would not be possible with the K2.
> 
> There are also other panadapter options including the LP-Pan, which will allow you to view the K2's spectrum.   I much prefer the P3 because of the handy controls that allow you to adjust the image, but some of those other options may be less expensive.
> 
> Think also of where you might go with all this.  The K2 is a wonderful rig and more than adequate for HF work.  If yuou get really serious about this you may, as I did, choose to upgrade to either the K3s or KX3.  The P3 could be used with the K3s but the KX3 has a different, smaller unit.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On Behalf Of Don Wilhelm
> Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2018 10:13 AM
> To: Don Schroder <donanddeena at hotmail.com>; elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 Panadapter
> 
> Don,
> 
> You can use it with the K3 (the P3 input can be tuned anywhere between 455kHz and 21 MHz).
> You will have to add an IF output to the K2.  DX Engineering is now selling the Clifton Labs buffer amplifier which can be used for that purpose.
> 
> I don't know what documentation is being sent with the DX Engineering kit, but if you need it, I can supply the original Clifton Labs document for the K2.
> 
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
> 
>> On 9/18/2018 12:53 PM, Don Schroder wrote:
>> Morning!
>> 
>> I have a kit K2 s/n 7818 that is about 2/3rds complete. I?m a newbie and this is my first radio. I?ve been  looking at additions for my non-existent ham shack and am curious about the Elecraft P3. Looking at the advertising, I see it is for the K3 & K3s, and other radios.
>> 
>> Hence, my question. How many of you consider the P3 to be a must have, and can it be used with a K2 transceiver? As a side note, what other optional equipment to the K2 would you consider necessary?
>> 
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> Message: 24
> Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2018 11:32:48 -0700
> From: Fred Jensen <k6dgw at foothill.net>
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 Panadapter
> Message-ID: <e343bf25-1403-8125-51e3-e9b9ebc8593d at foothill.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
> 
> Congratulations on your K2 Don, I've had #4398 for many years and it is 
> a fun radio to operate, and will hold it's own with the "big guns" out 
> there.? Don, W3FPR, is your go-to guy for all things K2.
> 
> The P3 is basically a tuneable receiver from just below the AM broadcast 
> band to somewhere around 20 MHz.? It will "work" with the K2 but you 
> have to bring out the IF signal.? I put "work" in quotes because the P3 
> will integrate with a K3 to give several modes of operation.? One very 
> popular one is "Fixed Tune" where the edges of the display remain fixed 
> and tuning the K3 moves a cursor.
> 
> With the K2, the only mode available is "Tracking Mode" where the center 
> of the screen is always where you are receiving, and as you tune, the 
> signals on the band all move.
> 
> As far as general P3 usefulness, for me it is huge.? It's all I look at 
> when I operate.? I operate W7RN remotely on occasion, I really miss the 
> P3, and I hope Elecraft is working on a remote capability for it.
> 
> 73,
> 
> Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
> Sparks NV DM09dn
> Washoe County
> 
>> On 9/18/2018 9:53 AM, Don Schroder wrote:
>> Morning!
>> 
>> I have a kit K2 s/n 7818 that is about 2/3rds complete. I?m a newbie and this is my first radio. I?ve been  looking at additions for my non-existent ham shack and am curious about the Elecraft P3. Looking at the advertising, I see it is for the K3 & K3s, and other radios.
>> 
>> Hence, my question. How many of you consider the P3 to be a must have, and can it be used with a K2 transceiver? As a side note, what other optional equipment to the K2 would you consider necessary?
>> 
>> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 25
> Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2018 14:45:33 -0400
> From: Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com>
> To: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 Panadapter
> Message-ID: <00d8fd15-19c1-270d-608e-201ea2e42f3a at embarqmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
> 
> The main difference between the P3 and PX3 is the input.? The P3 has an 
> IF input while the PX3 input must be baseband RX I and Q signals.
> 
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
> 
>> On 9/18/2018 1:59 PM, George Thornton wrote:
>> 
>> I also have worked extensively with the P3.   I find it very helpful.  There is a wealth of knowledge you get from being able to visually see the spectrum you are working.
>> 
>> That being said, some of the advantages of the P3 come from its close integration with the K3.  I would believe that close integration would not be possible with the K2.
>> 
>> There are also other panadapter options including the LP-Pan, which will allow you to view the K2's spectrum.   I much prefer the P3 because of the handy controls that allow you to adjust the image, but some of those other options may be less expensive.
>> 
>> Think also of where you might go with all this.  The K2 is a wonderful rig and more than adequate for HF work.  If yuou get really serious about this you may, as I did, choose to upgrade to either the K3s or KX3.  The P3 could be used with the K3s but the KX3 has a different, smaller unit.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On Behalf Of Don Wilhelm
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2018 10:13 AM
>> To: Don Schroder <donanddeena at hotmail.com>; elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 Panadapter
>> 
>> Don,
>> 
>> You can use it with the K3 (the P3 input can be tuned anywhere between 455kHz and 21 MHz).
>> You will have to add an IF output to the K2.  DX Engineering is now selling the Clifton Labs buffer amplifier which can be used for that purpose.
>> 
>> I don't know what documentation is being sent with the DX Engineering kit, but if you need it, I can supply the original Clifton Labs document for the K2.
>> 
>> 73,
>> Don W3FPR
>> 
>>> On 9/18/2018 12:53 PM, Don Schroder wrote:
>>> Morning!
>>> 
>>> I have a kit K2 s/n 7818 that is about 2/3rds complete. I?m a newbie and this is my first radio. I?ve been  looking at additions for my non-existent ham shack and am curious about the Elecraft P3. Looking at the advertising, I see it is for the K3 & K3s, and other radios.
>>> 
>>> Hence, my question. How many of you consider the P3 to be a must have, and can it be used with a K2 transceiver? As a side note, what other optional equipment to the K2 would you consider necessary?
>>> 
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From ae0mm at protonmail.com  Wed Sep 19 09:19:00 2018
From: ae0mm at protonmail.com (AE0MM)
Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2018 13:19:00 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 C22 calibration
In-Reply-To: <4bcd1f38-330f-e921-11fb-4607e3311b4f@embarqmail.com>
References: <iV7Fljuweml-K1iPq3hSpGOYemfaSiJCxNLiBKAMFdTyUctYtUHOqkghjA5vAUa3EfQEhS7Lt0HVMSBIzRo-CIZe9BhPFcrx3mT25hVNiiA=@protonmail.com>
	<4bcd1f38-330f-e921-11fb-4607e3311b4f@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <D2-fa1nRkFCk2Ez_uH5tBS0fPPf2eOitEGyTw6UkC0j7hR89B0PZ88aNu6J827_Qcr7E37ggsH05HhbjlA0_lH79Bla3YFZFS1b7aJfNgb4=@protonmail.com>

Don,


Where I'm getting stuck is step one under SETTING THE K2 REFERENCE OSCILLATOR on this page:
http://www.w3fpr.com/dial_cal.html

Then step two on this page:
http://www.w3fpr.com/n6kr_method.htm

For a 10MHz reference, I'm unable to get the difference between TP1 (VCO) and TP2 (BFO) any closer than 10001.50. Attempts to get the difference of the VCO and BFO closer to 10000 result in radio becoming unresponsive.





Thanks,
--mark/ae0mm

??????? Original Message ???????
On 19 September 2018 6:59 AM, Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com> wrote:

> Mark,
>
> The setting of C22 does not control the frequency readout directly. The
> frequency readout uses the contents of the EEPROM that are produced when
> you do the CAL PLL and CAL FIL procedures.
>
> The only time C22 must be set correctly is just before you do a CAL PLL
> or a CAL FIL. At other times it is just a clock for the MCU and does
> not need to be accurate.
>
> I suggest you read the K2 Dial Calibration article on my website
> www.w3fpr.com and proceed according to those instructions.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 9/18/2018 9:27 PM, AE0MM via Elecraft wrote:
>
> > Just completed assembly of my K2. The VFO display reads about 1.5KHz high. I've attempted several times to calibrate it by adjusting C22, but I'm not able to get the frequency of TP1 on the 30m band any lower than ~14.9154MHz (while the vfo set to zero beat with a 10MHz signal) without it causing the radio to stop responding.
> > When c22 is adjusted to a point where it lowers the frequency of TP1 below 14.915, the display freezes and it stops responding to button presses. If the power is cycled, no relays click and the display has no indication of life. When c22 is returned to the previous setting, the radio becomes responsive.


From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Wed Sep 19 09:57:46 2018
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2018 09:57:46 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 C22 calibration
In-Reply-To: <D2-fa1nRkFCk2Ez_uH5tBS0fPPf2eOitEGyTw6UkC0j7hR89B0PZ88aNu6J827_Qcr7E37ggsH05HhbjlA0_lH79Bla3YFZFS1b7aJfNgb4=@protonmail.com>
References: <iV7Fljuweml-K1iPq3hSpGOYemfaSiJCxNLiBKAMFdTyUctYtUHOqkghjA5vAUa3EfQEhS7Lt0HVMSBIzRo-CIZe9BhPFcrx3mT25hVNiiA=@protonmail.com>
	<4bcd1f38-330f-e921-11fb-4607e3311b4f@embarqmail.com>
	<D2-fa1nRkFCk2Ez_uH5tBS0fPPf2eOitEGyTw6UkC0j7hR89B0PZ88aNu6J827_Qcr7E37ggsH05HhbjlA0_lH79Bla3YFZFS1b7aJfNgb4=@protonmail.com>
Message-ID: <0a32b6d6-9219-74ee-c144-170cbe144d65@embarqmail.com>

Mark,

It sounds like you may be tuning to WWV using CW mode.? CW mode uses a 
receive offset equal to your sidetone pitch which can cause you to be in 
error by twice the sidetone pitch.

What mode are you using when you tune WWV?? It must be SSB, and you must 
tune the transmitted tones correctly (do not tune to the carrier).? 500 
and 600 Hz tones are sent on alternating minutes except for announcement 
and silent minutes.? A 1000 Hz tone is sent for 1 second at the 
beginning of each minute.? Make certain you are hearing the tones at the 
correct audio frequency.
An audio spectrum analyzer running on your computer can be very helpful, 
or set a receiver capable of receiving in AM mode to tune WWV as well as 
the K2 and match the audio tones.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 9/19/2018 9:19 AM, AE0MM wrote:
> Don,
>
>
> Where I'm getting stuck is step one under SETTING THE K2 REFERENCE OSCILLATOR on this page:
> http://www.w3fpr.com/dial_cal.html
>
> Then step two on this page:
> http://www.w3fpr.com/n6kr_method.htm
>
> For a 10MHz reference, I'm unable to get the difference between TP1 (VCO) and TP2 (BFO) any closer than 10001.50. Attempts to get the difference of the VCO and BFO closer to 10000 result in radio becoming unresponsive.
>
> Thanks,
> --mark/ae0mm
>
> ??????? Original Message ???????
> On 19 September 2018 6:59 AM, Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Mark,
>>
>> The setting of C22 does not control the frequency readout directly. The
>> frequency readout uses the contents of the EEPROM that are produced when
>> you do the CAL PLL and CAL FIL procedures.
>>
>> The only time C22 must be set correctly is just before you do a CAL PLL
>> or a CAL FIL. At other times it is just a clock for the MCU and does
>> not need to be accurate.
>>
>> I suggest you read the K2 Dial Calibration article on my website
>> www.w3fpr.com and proceed according to those instructions.
>>
>> 73,
>> Don W3FPR
>>
>> On 9/18/2018 9:27 PM, AE0MM via Elecraft wrote:
>>
>>> Just completed assembly of my K2. The VFO display reads about 1.5KHz high. I've attempted several times to calibrate it by adjusting C22, but I'm not able to get the frequency of TP1 on the 30m band any lower than ~14.9154MHz (while the vfo set to zero beat with a 10MHz signal) without it causing the radio to stop responding.
>>> When c22 is adjusted to a point where it lowers the frequency of TP1 below 14.915, the display freezes and it stops responding to button presses. If the power is cycled, no relays click and the display has no indication of life. When c22 is returned to the previous setting, the radio becomes responsive.
>


From ke8g.jim at gmail.com  Wed Sep 19 10:22:28 2018
From: ke8g.jim at gmail.com (KE8G)
Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2018 10:22:28 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Two K3/100 radios for sale
Message-ID: <CAOdpi6GBZtXmze_pti8tShtrjyP_T89izuR+Gp9j=0HfsVxP0g@mail.gmail.com>

Hi All,
I now have new K3S radios, so I am getting rid of my K3 radios.

Serial # 4401

K3/100-F         K3 100wW Transceiver ? Factory Assembled

KAT3              K3 ATU Modular Kit

KXV3V          RX Antenna, IF OUT and Xverter Interface

KFL3A-2.7     2.7 kHz SSB Filter

KFL3A-1000 1000 Hz  8 Pole CW Roofing Filter

KFL3A-400    400 Hz  8 Pole CW Roofing Filter

KFL3A-250    250 Hz  8 Pole CW Roofing Filter



This radio was just returned from Elecraft having a T/R relay replaced and
has been pronounced to ?meets or exceeds all factory specifications.?



Included in the sale is the manual and power cord.



Asking $2,500, plus shipping.

Serial # 5946

K3/100-F         100 Watt

KAT3-F          K3 ATU

KFL3A           2.8 Khz Filter Swap

KFL3A           400 Hz Filter

Power cable     Anderson Poles on both ends

Owner?s Manual, plus Fred Cady ? KE7X  ?The Elecraft K3 ? Design,
Configuration, and Operation Manual?


I am asking $1,500 plus shipping.


Shipping is from zip code 44130, Cleveland, Ohio


I will accept Paypal for these items, if you pay the fees, or personal
check with shipment after funds have cleared.  If you are local, cash also
works!


Cell phone: 440-212-3623

From c-hawley at illinois.edu  Wed Sep 19 10:24:57 2018
From: c-hawley at illinois.edu (hawley, charles j jr)
Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2018 14:24:57 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] loss of RX sensitivity
In-Reply-To: <c4774a87-9ab3-3274-0d7c-7d1ab5120078@googlemail.com>
References: <mailman.2226.1537296345.3450.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
	<93d19363-44a7-6eee-459d-2a7c7b71af88@googlemail.com>
	<29F696A9-AB5F-4454-A3AA-B25A526562CE@gmail.com>,
	<c4774a87-9ab3-3274-0d7c-7d1ab5120078@googlemail.com>
Message-ID: <82F8D25D-14E2-4960-B315-7D831147EF73@illinois.edu>

As I remember, the bnc and n actually plug together. What then is the benefit of n? Water resistance?

Chuck Jack 
KE9UW

Sent from my iPhone, cjack 

> On Sep 19, 2018, at 7:28 AM, Dave B via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
> 
> Hi Jim.
> 
> Mostly, N connectors, BNC's, TNC's, SC and 7-16's.  And for the big
> stuff, EIA flange connectors.  Plus some other weird stuff.  (3 lug
> BNC's and such, to prevent the "wrong connection".)    The odd
> appearance of the C connector on some US kit too.   Some "Spinner" 'BN'
> series connectors to, also often seen in the European Broadcast industry
> and some military.
> 
> A lot of US equipment also still use the various unique to the US
> connectors, often seen on big Bird loads etc.  Not so common over hear.
> 
> That based on what I've seen on kit "being tested" at customers sites
> over the last 28 years.
> 
> The only UHF series connector commercially used, that I've personally
> seen in that time frame is on a very old design of screened room weld
> crack detector, and it's a nightmare to use as it's always working loose.
> 
> To Charlie.
> 
> The threads have no part to play in the RF path on a UHF connector, it's
> all down to the two outer mating faces being pressed together.  The
> older (so called) MIL spec types, that had all the castelations at that
> point were *MUCH* better because of it, as they sort of interlocked and
> made a much better contact due to the metal to metal force
> multiplication that results..   They also tended not to rotate relative
> to each other so the retaining ring stayed tight.  Basic mechanical
> design feature, missing on the modern versions, where the two parts can
> rotate, even when the ring is (allegedly) tight.
> 
> The modern stuff with the 4 slots on the socket, and two bumps on the
> plug, are just utter crap.  (Built down to a cost.)
> 
> I'm amazed that no maker has innovated gone back to the original design,
> and fitted a crinkle spring washer behind the locking ring, so that
> contact pressure can be maintained, and also helping to keep the threads
> from working loose when subject to vibration...
> 
> But even then, they'd still only be of any practical use below 100MHz
> due to the impedance mismatch issue.   (Originally for use below 30MHz.)
> 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UHF_connector
> 
> Stick with BNC's, N's and if you have too, 7-16's.  They are all easy to
> fit to cable with practice, no special tools needed unless you insist on
> the crimp types, and then you *MUST* have the correct tooling for that
> particular make of connector.
> 
> The pressure gland fitting types, are also easy to remove, clean up and
> re-fit if a cable becomes damaged.
> 
> All it takes is some practice.  Buy some surplus ex-military patch
> leads, and practice removing and refitting them.  After a few of each it
> becomes very easy.
> 
> 73.
> 
>    Dave G0WBX.
> 
> 
>> On 19/09/18 12:15, Jim Miller wrote:
>> Hi Dave
>> 
>> What does NATO use in place of pl259?
>> 
>> Thanks!
>> 
>> Jim ab3cv 
>> 
>> On Sep 19, 2018, at 4:16 AM, Dave B via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
>> 
>> Wunder, I'll second you on that!
>> 
>> Of all the 1000's of RF connectors I've assembled and used over the
>> years for my own hobby and at work.  The venerable "UHF" series have
>> always proved to be the nastiest most unreliable types ever.  Period.
>> 
>> All my own personal radio kit, either get's them replaced (Sadly, not
>> always an easy job) with a N or BNC (in one case, a TNC.)  Or a BNC (or
>> N) adapter is securely fitted as a permanent fixture (including LocTite
>> on the threads, in mobile/portable situations!)
>> 
>> I also use BNC's at HF, as we do at work.   They can happily carry well
>> over 150W at up to 220MHz even in the presence of some very bad VSWR's
>> (6:1 or higher.)  Assemble them correctly and look after them
>> physically, and they will last a lifetime.
>> 
>> The UHF series are just plain unreliable.  It is no surprise that the
>> military (NATO) don't use them any more.
>> 
>> 73.
>> 
>> Dave G0WBX (also G8KBV)
>> 
>> 
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> On 18/09/18 19:45, elecraft-request at mailman.qth.net wrote:
>>> Message: 1
>>> Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2018 16:45:10 -0700
>>> From: Walter Underwood <wunder at wunderwood.org>
>>> To: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
>>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] loss of RX sensitivity
>>> Message-ID: <CEF1DF11-28D1-4409-8023-4C4CA0C81B4A at wunderwood.org>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset=utf-8
>>> 
>>> The next time someone challenges me on why I only use BNC and Type N connectors, I?m going to send them this entire discussion.
>>> 
>>> wunder
>>> K6WRU
>>> Walter Underwood
>>> CM87wj
>>> http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog)
> 
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From wunder at wunderwood.org  Wed Sep 19 10:50:43 2018
From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood)
Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2018 07:50:43 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] loss of RX sensitivity
In-Reply-To: <82F8D25D-14E2-4960-B315-7D831147EF73@illinois.edu>
References: <mailman.2226.1537296345.3450.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
	<93d19363-44a7-6eee-459d-2a7c7b71af88@googlemail.com>
	<29F696A9-AB5F-4454-A3AA-B25A526562CE@gmail.com>
	<c4774a87-9ab3-3274-0d7c-7d1ab5120078@googlemail.com>
	<82F8D25D-14E2-4960-B315-7D831147EF73@illinois.edu>
Message-ID: <1EBD902B-7FFB-4DA1-B068-3751BF44F340@wunderwood.org>

> On Sep 19, 2018, at 7:24 AM, hawley, charles j jr <c-hawley at illinois.edu> wrote:
> 
> As I remember, the bnc and n actually plug together. What then is the benefit of n? Water resistance?
> 
> Chuck Jack 
> KE9UW

Type N is weatherproof, BNC is not.

Type N peak voltage is 1500 V, BNC is 500 V (UHF is also 500 V).

Type N rated to 11 GHz, BNC to 4 GHz.

Type N RF leakage -90 dB min @ 3 GHz, BNC -55 dB min @ 3GHz.

For this kind of thing, I go to the Amphenol spec sheets for connectors. The specs for the UHF connector are minimal, three specs for electrical, no mil specs.

https://www.amphenolrf.com/connectors/bnc.html
https://www.amphenolrf.com/connectors/n-type.html
https://www.amphenolrf.com/connectors/uhf.html

wunder
K6WRU
Walter Underwood
CM87wj
http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog)



From ve2fww at globetrotter.net  Wed Sep 19 11:14:32 2018
From: ve2fww at globetrotter.net (NOEL POULIN)
Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2018 11:14:32 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] receiver guard
Message-ID: <ea1e1ba9-9985-966b-2169-777987d16e66@globetrotter.net>

Hello,
I am going to use my SDR-IQ with my K3S ..KXV3A RX ANT IN and RX ANT OUT.
Will be using a plitter.
I want to know if I will have to add a RECEIVER GUARD? at the SR-IQ to 
be safer...
My SDR-IQ will be using the K3s transmit antennas for receiving of 
course....
Will it be safer to add a receiver guard at the input of the SDR-IQ 
....to protect it from rf, when transmitting????
Advices will be welcome.
Thanks
Noel

From WOYB10051 at outlook.com  Wed Sep 19 11:30:49 2018
From: WOYB10051 at outlook.com (John Langdon)
Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2018 15:30:49 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 - Static IPv4 address
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References: <509FBD07-77FD-4638-B2B9-58E2E80A1C64@gmail.com>
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I set the IP by using the facility in my router to assign a fixed IP to a MAC address. Using the "KPA1500 remote" software I can access the amp on the local LAN via Ethernet or via the USB connection. 

I have not been able to access it remotely via the Ethernet interface by forwarding an external port to the KPA1500 IP address and port, so I use the USB interface and then Windows desktop connection to accomplish remote control. This is okay for one person access, which is all I need.  The software should provide multi-user access, but I have not been able to achieve that so far.

73 John N5CQ


-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2018 7:46 AM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 - Static IPv4 address

Is it possible to set a static IP address on this amp?  I am thinking using one of my static IPv4 address and port 1500.  This would eliminate the local /server computer.
Or is there a better method of using remote K3, KPA1500 and RemoteRig?  I want to be able to use the KPA1500 app to monitor the amp.

Burl,  AJ9Q
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From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Wed Sep 19 11:51:44 2018
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2018 10:51:44 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] receiver guard
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The RX Ant In and RX Ant Out are protected during transmit.?? As to 
protecting the input of the SDR-IQ, make sure you use very good quality 
connectors and very good quality coax such that any transmitted RF is 
not picked up by leakage into these components. I use Amphenol BNC 
connectors and double shield coax for my jumpers.??? Running near legal 
limit,? I've not fried the front end of my SDR Play as of yet.

73

Bob, K4TAX




On 9/19/2018 10:14 AM, NOEL POULIN wrote:
> Hello,
> I am going to use my SDR-IQ with my K3S ..KXV3A RX ANT IN and RX ANT OUT.
> Will be using a plitter.
> I want to know if I will have to add a RECEIVER GUARD? at the SR-IQ to 
> be safer...
> My SDR-IQ will be using the K3s transmit antennas for receiving of 
> course....
> Will it be safer to add a receiver guard at the input of the SDR-IQ 
> ....to protect it from rf, when transmitting????
> Advices will be welcome.
> Thanks
> Noel
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From ae0mm at protonmail.com  Wed Sep 19 12:04:40 2018
From: ae0mm at protonmail.com (AE0MM)
Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2018 16:04:40 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 C22 calibration
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I'm using the XG3. Attempts with both cw and usb mode have resulted in similar 1.5KHz to 2KHz differences in frequency display vs the output signal of the XG3. There is so much utility noise (arcing) at my QTH that hearing WWV can be difficult.

Why doesn't the receive offset, when zero-beating using the spot tone, result in the correct VFO offset? Seems I'm generally confused about dial frequency in ssb and cw.

I'll re-read everything again. It seems I'm wrongly assuming that zero-beating using a 600Hz tone would result in the dial frequency being off by -600Hz in usb. Tonight I'll use a spectrum analyzer and attempt dial calibration.



Thanks,
--mark/ae0mm

??????? Original Message ???????
On 19 September 2018 8:57 AM, Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com> wrote:

> Mark,
>
> It sounds like you may be tuning to WWV using CW mode.? CW mode uses a
> receive offset equal to your sidetone pitch which can cause you to be in
> error by twice the sidetone pitch.
>
> What mode are you using when you tune WWV?? It must be SSB, and you must
> tune the transmitted tones correctly (do not tune to the carrier).? 500
> and 600 Hz tones are sent on alternating minutes except for announcement
> and silent minutes.? A 1000 Hz tone is sent for 1 second at the
> beginning of each minute.? Make certain you are hearing the tones at the
> correct audio frequency.
> An audio spectrum analyzer running on your computer can be very helpful,
> or set a receiver capable of receiving in AM mode to tune WWV as well as
> the K2 and match the audio tones.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 9/19/2018 9:19 AM, AE0MM wrote:
>
> > Don,
> > Where I'm getting stuck is step one under SETTING THE K2 REFERENCE OSCILLATOR on this page:
> > http://www.w3fpr.com/dial_cal.html
> > Then step two on this page:
> > http://www.w3fpr.com/n6kr_method.htm
> > For a 10MHz reference, I'm unable to get the difference between TP1 (VCO) and TP2 (BFO) any closer than 10001.50. Attempts to get the difference of the VCO and BFO closer to 10000 result in radio becoming unresponsive.
> > Thanks,
> > --mark/ae0mm
> > ??????? Original Message ???????
> > On 19 September 2018 6:59 AM, Don Wilhelm donwilh at embarqmail.com wrote:
> >
> > > Mark,
> > > The setting of C22 does not control the frequency readout directly. The
> > > frequency readout uses the contents of the EEPROM that are produced when
> > > you do the CAL PLL and CAL FIL procedures.
> > > The only time C22 must be set correctly is just before you do a CAL PLL
> > > or a CAL FIL. At other times it is just a clock for the MCU and does
> > > not need to be accurate.
> > > I suggest you read the K2 Dial Calibration article on my website
> > > www.w3fpr.com and proceed according to those instructions.
> > > 73,
> > > Don W3FPR
> > > On 9/18/2018 9:27 PM, AE0MM via Elecraft wrote:
> > >
> > > > Just completed assembly of my K2. The VFO display reads about 1.5KHz high. I've attempted several times to calibrate it by adjusting C22, but I'm not able to get the frequency of TP1 on the 30m band any lower than ~14.9154MHz (while the vfo set to zero beat with a 10MHz signal) without it causing the radio to stop responding.
> > > > When c22 is adjusted to a point where it lowers the frequency of TP1 below 14.915, the display freezes and it stops responding to button presses. If the power is cycled, no relays click and the display has no indication of life. When c22 is returned to the previous setting, the radio becomes responsive.


From g8kbvdave at googlemail.com  Wed Sep 19 12:12:57 2018
From: g8kbvdave at googlemail.com (Dave B)
Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2018 17:12:57 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] loss of RX sensitivity
In-Reply-To: <82F8D25D-14E2-4960-B315-7D831147EF73@illinois.edu>
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No, BNC's and N's do not inter-mate, not without damage.

Yes, you can push a N plug into a BNC socket, but the BNC socket will be
permanently damaged if you push hard enough for it not to fall out
unexpectedly.? Plus the mismatch will be bad.? But in an emergency?

Yes, the dimensions of the actual RF connector interface are similar,
but there is a major difference in the dielectric arrangements.

N's are "weather resistant" (some more so than others) but not "water
proof".? BNC's of course are neither.? (And neither are SO239/PL259's!)

73.

Dave G0WBX.


On 19/09/18 15:24, hawley, charles j jr wrote:
> As I remember, the bnc and n actually plug together. What then is the benefit of n? Water resistance?
>
> Chuck Jack 
> KE9UW
>
> Sent from my iPhone, cjack 


From KX3.2 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com  Wed Sep 19 12:34:48 2018
From: KX3.2 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com (Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT)
Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2018 09:34:48 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 - Static IPv4 address
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I have a Raspberry Pi 3 running OpenVPN to solve exactly this kind of 
problem.

OpenVPN lets you connect remotely from the outside world and actually 
get an IP off of your own LAN.

The best thing about this is you aren't opening ports that *might* be 
vulnerable to some exploit -- other than the Pi, but at least it's a 
single point of attack.

You don't have to be a Linux expert to do this, you can pretty much do 
this in cookbook fashion successfully.

Once installed, you also get access to any NAS boxes, your home printer, 
etc. from anywhere -- the VPN is just like a really long ethernet cable.

Eventually, I'll get FLDIGI running on the Pi, when time permits, and 
have everything I need to run digital from anywhere inside or outside my 
home.

73 -- Lynn

On 9/19/2018 8:30 AM, John Langdon wrote:
> I set the IP by using the facility in my router to assign a fixed IP to a MAC address. Using the "KPA1500 remote" software I can access the amp on the local LAN via Ethernet or via the USB connection.
> 
> I have not been able to access it remotely via the Ethernet interface by forwarding an external port to the KPA1500 IP address and port, so I use the USB interface and then Windows desktop connection to accomplish remote control. This is okay for one person access, which is all I need.  The software should provide multi-user access, but I have not been able to achieve that so far.
> 
> 73 John N5CQ
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On Behalf Of Burl Borcherding
> Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2018 7:46 AM
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 - Static IPv4 address
> 
> Is it possible to set a static IP address on this amp?  I am thinking using one of my static IPv4 address and port 1500.  This would eliminate the local /server computer.
> Or is there a better method of using remote K3, KPA1500 and RemoteRig?  I want to be able to use the KPA1500 app to monitor the amp.
> 
> Burl,  AJ9Q
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From eric at elecraft.com  Wed Sep 19 12:50:42 2018
From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft)
Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2018 09:50:42 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] loss of RX sensitivity
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Lets close this thread - we are -way- past the max posting number limit for a 
single topic.

Folks - I am not always able to watch the list in real time. Please self limit 
on OT discussions like this. Once you hit 5-10 emails (at most) please take it 
off list. You do not need to wait for me to step in. :-)

73,
Eric
List moderator, from time to time..)
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On 9/19/2018 9:12 AM, Dave B via Elecraft wrote:
> No, BNC's and N's do not inter-mate, not without damage.
>


From wes_n7ws at triconet.org  Wed Sep 19 12:54:05 2018
From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes Stewart)
Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2018 09:54:05 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] receiver guard
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Is the intent to use the SDR-IQ as a separate receiver or as a panadapter?

I suspect the former but if it's the later use the K3S i-f output into the 
SDR-IQ and setup SpectraVue appropriately.? It works wonderfully.

Otherwise follow K4TAX's advice.

Wes? N7WS

 ?On 9/19/2018 8:14 AM, NOEL POULIN wrote:
> Hello,
> I am going to use my SDR-IQ with my K3S ..KXV3A RX ANT IN and RX ANT OUT.
> Will be using a plitter.
> I want to know if I will have to add a RECEIVER GUARD? at the SR-IQ to be 
> safer...
> My SDR-IQ will be using the K3s transmit antennas for receiving of course....
> Will it be safer to add a receiver guard at the input of the SDR-IQ ....to 
> protect it from rf, when transmitting????
> Advices will be welcome.
> Thanks
> Noel 


From ghyoungman at gmail.com  Wed Sep 19 12:56:09 2018
From: ghyoungman at gmail.com (Grant Youngman)
Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2018 12:56:09 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] New Website
Message-ID: <739CBC60-F3A9-4BD4-9801-EC74343D9421@gmail.com>

Apparently Elecraft is about to update their website with a new design.  Wonder if there will be any new K-products showcased on the new site?  :-)

Grant NQ5T
K3 #2091 KX3 #8342


From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Wed Sep 19 14:10:42 2018
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2018 14:10:42 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 C22 calibration
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Mark,

If you are trying to use a single signal, you must do it a bit 
differently.? look at 
http://w3fpr.com/Using%20RWM%20instead%20of%20WWV.htm and substitute the 
frequency of your generator for the frequency of the carrier only 
standard station - RWM.

Has your XG3 been calibrated for frequency?? It is not a precision 
frequency standard.

The K2 dial frequency is always the frequency of the transmitted carrier 
(or suppressed carrier for SSB).
In CW, the receive frequency is offset by the amount of your sidetone so 
you hear the signal at your selected sidetone pitch.

Make certain you have the filters on the right sideband.? If you have 
them correct, the DAC values for LSB, RTTY, and CW will be lower than 
the DAC values for USB, RTTYrev, and CWrev (bar over the "r" or "c").

If you have the wrong sideband, the error will be twice the sidetone pitch.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 9/19/2018 12:04 PM, AE0MM wrote:
> I'm using the XG3. Attempts with both cw and usb mode have resulted in similar 1.5KHz to 2KHz differences in frequency display vs the output signal of the XG3. There is so much utility noise (arcing) at my QTH that hearing WWV can be difficult.
>
> Why doesn't the receive offset, when zero-beating using the spot tone, result in the correct VFO offset? Seems I'm generally confused about dial frequency in ssb and cw.
>
> I'll re-read everything again. It seems I'm wrongly assuming that zero-beating using a 600Hz tone would result in the dial frequency being off by -600Hz in usb. Tonight I'll use a spectrum analyzer and attempt dial calibration.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
> --mark/ae0mm
>
> ??????? Original Message ???????
> On 19 September 2018 8:57 AM, Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Mark,
>>
>> It sounds like you may be tuning to WWV using CW mode.? CW mode uses a
>> receive offset equal to your sidetone pitch which can cause you to be in
>> error by twice the sidetone pitch.
>>
>> What mode are you using when you tune WWV?? It must be SSB, and you must
>> tune the transmitted tones correctly (do not tune to the carrier).? 500
>> and 600 Hz tones are sent on alternating minutes except for announcement
>> and silent minutes.? A 1000 Hz tone is sent for 1 second at the
>> beginning of each minute.? Make certain you are hearing the tones at the
>> correct audio frequency.
>> An audio spectrum analyzer running on your computer can be very helpful,
>> or set a receiver capable of receiving in AM mode to tune WWV as well as
>> the K2 and match the audio tones.
>>
>> 73,
>> Don W3FPR
>>
>> On 9/19/2018 9:19 AM, AE0MM wrote:
>>
>>> Don,
>>> Where I'm getting stuck is step one under SETTING THE K2 REFERENCE OSCILLATOR on this page:
>>> http://www.w3fpr.com/dial_cal.html
>>> Then step two on this page:
>>> http://www.w3fpr.com/n6kr_method.htm
>>> For a 10MHz reference, I'm unable to get the difference between TP1 (VCO) and TP2 (BFO) any closer than 10001.50. Attempts to get the difference of the VCO and BFO closer to 10000 result in radio becoming unresponsive.
>>> Thanks,
>>> --mark/ae0mm
>>> ??????? Original Message ???????
>>> On 19 September 2018 6:59 AM, Don Wilhelm donwilh at embarqmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> Mark,
>>>> The setting of C22 does not control the frequency readout directly. The
>>>> frequency readout uses the contents of the EEPROM that are produced when
>>>> you do the CAL PLL and CAL FIL procedures.
>>>> The only time C22 must be set correctly is just before you do a CAL PLL
>>>> or a CAL FIL. At other times it is just a clock for the MCU and does
>>>> not need to be accurate.
>>>> I suggest you read the K2 Dial Calibration article on my website
>>>> www.w3fpr.com and proceed according to those instructions.
>>>> 73,
>>>> Don W3FPR
>>>> On 9/18/2018 9:27 PM, AE0MM via Elecraft wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Just completed assembly of my K2. The VFO display reads about 1.5KHz high. I've attempted several times to calibrate it by adjusting C22, but I'm not able to get the frequency of TP1 on the 30m band any lower than ~14.9154MHz (while the vfo set to zero beat with a 10MHz signal) without it causing the radio to stop responding.
>>>>> When c22 is adjusted to a point where it lowers the frequency of TP1 below 14.915, the display freezes and it stops responding to button presses. If the power is cycled, no relays click and the display has no indication of life. When c22 is returned to the previous setting, the radio becomes responsive.
>


From K8UT at charter.net  Wed Sep 19 14:23:09 2018
From: K8UT at charter.net (Larry (K8UT))
Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2018 18:23:09 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 - Static IPv4 address
In-Reply-To: <509FBD07-77FD-4638-B2B9-58E2E80A1C64@gmail.com>
References: <509FBD07-77FD-4638-B2B9-58E2E80A1C64@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <em7923f1ef-6263-46eb-a63a-174467712cf7@k8ut-pc>

Yes. You can disable DHCP in the amplifier and assign a static address. 
Your router must be capable (within its address range) of accepting that 
static address without a conflict from another device.

In the KPA1500 configuration utility v1.18.7.9:

Select menu >Configuration >Edit Configuration >Network tab
On the network tab, disable (uncheck) DHCP
Manually enter the address you want the amplifier to use
Press <Apply >OK.

-larry (K8UT)

------ Original Message ------
From: "Burl Borcherding" <bborch at gmail.com>
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Sent: 2018-09-19 08:46:08
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 - Static IPv4 address

>Is it possible to set a static IP address on this amp?  I am thinking 
>using one of my static IPv4 address and port 1500.  This would 
>eliminate the local /server computer.
>Or is there a better method of using remote K3, KPA1500 and RemoteRig?  
>I want to be able to use the KPA1500 app to monitor the amp.
>
>Burl,  AJ9Q
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From softblue at windstream.net  Wed Sep 19 14:41:23 2018
From: softblue at windstream.net (Dick Dickinson)
Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2018 14:41:23 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] OT:  bandconditions.com
Message-ID: <000c01d45048$5dd84930$1988db90$@windstream.net>

Pardon the OT post.  

Bandconditions.com has been a great resource for observing the (very)
general conditions on the HF bands.  A couple of weeks ago a post was
offered that the site would be offline for two weeks and was to have
returned this past Friday evening.  Apparently some software was being
upgraded or otherwise improvements to the site...more data taken into
account(?).

In any event, it site appears to still be down.  It displays only a blank
page.  Up or Down web site checkers indicate the site is Up.

Does someone have further information of the situation, including
improvements for bandconditions.com?


Kindly,
Dick - KA5KKT




From k2ud at roadrunner.com  Wed Sep 19 17:08:09 2018
From: k2ud at roadrunner.com (k2ud at roadrunner.com)
Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2018 17:08:09 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] New Website
In-Reply-To: <739CBC60-F3A9-4BD4-9801-EC74343D9421@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20180919210809.6VHG0.31843.root@dnvrco-web07>

Here is to hoping for the K6 Multiband Multimode Satellite transceiver.

Why K6?  Well, Wayne and Eric like to re-arrange numbers every now and then.

72

Howard Kraus, K2UD

---- Grant Youngman <ghyoungman at gmail.com> wrote: 
> Apparently Elecraft is about to update their website with a new design.  Wonder if there will be any new K-products showcased on the new site?  :-)
> 
> Grant NQ5T
> K3 #2091 KX3 #8342
> 
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From almontoye at gmail.com  Wed Sep 19 18:53:01 2018
From: almontoye at gmail.com (allen Montoye)
Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2018 18:53:01 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Kx2
Message-ID: <921E8F25-E4DC-4289-95BD-3C18FD6BF3BC@gmail.com>

I absolutely love my KX2 with the auto tuner. There is one feature that is annoying however. When it is turned off the vox setting ?CW md that enables break-in keying defaults to ?off?. So when I turn it back on I have to go into the menu to select CW md again. Is there a way to program the unit to power up with that setting ?on??
Tnx,
Al, W8RBF 

Sent from my iPhone

From n7xy at n7xy.net  Wed Sep 19 19:05:53 2018
From: n7xy at n7xy.net (Bob Nielsen - N7XY)
Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2018 16:05:53 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Enabling FM mode on K3S
Message-ID: <b9b4c289-4f9d-7afc-3bb6-406e72eddb33@n7xy.net>

I'm still learning to use my new K3S but am already very impressed with 
the performance.? However, I am unable to switch to the FM mode.? I have 
installed and configured the 13 kHz filter and checked the K3 utility to 
verify that FM is enabled for that filter and that TX FM is enabled, but 
the mode switch will not select the FM mode.? Is there some additional 
step which I have missed?

Bob, N7XY


From ktalbott at gamewood.net  Wed Sep 19 19:14:13 2018
From: ktalbott at gamewood.net (ktalbott)
Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2018 19:14:13 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Kx2
Message-ID: <20180919161418.CC3C1ABB@m0117124.ppops.net>

Curious, mine powers up VOX ON. Not sure what i did. I do have a function key defined to toggle VOX making it easy turn off xmit for use as CPO.Ken ke4rg


Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
-------- Original message --------From: allen Montoye <almontoye at gmail.com> Date: 9/19/18  6:53 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] Kx2 
I absolutely love my KX2 with the auto tuner. There is one feature that is annoying however. When it is turned off the vox setting ?CW md that enables break-in keying defaults to ?off?. So when I turn it back on I have to go into the menu to select CW md again. Is there a way to program the unit to power up with that setting ?on??
Tnx,
Al, W8RBF 

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From jaunti at gmail.com  Wed Sep 19 19:15:29 2018
From: jaunti at gmail.com (Jan Timmers)
Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2018 16:15:29 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Kx2
In-Reply-To: <921E8F25-E4DC-4289-95BD-3C18FD6BF3BC@gmail.com>
References: <921E8F25-E4DC-4289-95BD-3C18FD6BF3BC@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CANa_i+hNPSafctLzVMBiR2_v621XtM97V5ce6r5c9+K=nUbOUA@mail.gmail.com>

I've used one of the PF functions for that.  Easy peasy.  I don't want VOX
on when I turn my KX2 on just in case I want to go to the SSB portion of
the band.  Look in the manual to help you with the steps to take.  I've
also used a PF function for ATU and BYPASS - in that case when I use the
AlexLoop, when I don't want to use the auto-tune, a button push takes me
away from that.  Another function is AF - with my KX3 it's got a separate
knob - rather than go into the MENU for that, I've got a PF to take me
directly to that as well.

I'm going to sell my KX3 - not that I don't like it, but man I'm using this
KX2 all the time.  I thought I'd miss some of the KX3 features, but that's
just not the case for me.  And I never do 6 nor 160, I rarely even do 80 so
the KX2 suffices


Regards;
John Timmers VE7JBT




On Wed, Sep 19, 2018 at 3:53 PM allen Montoye <almontoye at gmail.com> wrote:

> I absolutely love my KX2 with the auto tuner. There is one feature that is
> annoying however. When it is turned off the vox setting ?CW md that enables
> break-in keying defaults to ?off?. So when I turn it back on I have to go
> into the menu to select CW md again. Is there a way to program the unit to
> power up with that setting ?on??
> Tnx,
> Al, W8RBF
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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From nr4c at widomaker.com  Wed Sep 19 19:15:48 2018
From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c)
Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2018 19:15:48 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Enabling FM mode on K3S
In-Reply-To: <b9b4c289-4f9d-7afc-3bb6-406e72eddb33@n7xy.net>
References: <b9b4c289-4f9d-7afc-3bb6-406e72eddb33@n7xy.net>
Message-ID: <269BADAF-E427-427A-A4B1-E1F7612345F7@widomaker.com>

Must enable FM in CONFIG/ BandMap. Look it up in the big ?book?. 

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill


> On Sep 19, 2018, at 7:05 PM, Bob Nielsen - N7XY <n7xy at n7xy.net> wrote:
> 
> I'm still learning to use my new K3S but am already very impressed with the performance.  However, I am unable to switch to the FM mode.  I have installed and configured the 13 kHz filter and checked the K3 utility to verify that FM is enabled for that filter and that TX FM is enabled, but the mode switch will not select the FM mode.  Is there some additional step which I have missed?
> 
> Bob, N7XY
> 
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From n7xy at n7xy.net  Wed Sep 19 19:31:46 2018
From: n7xy at n7xy.net (Bob Nielsen - N7XY)
Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2018 16:31:46 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Enabling FM mode on K3S
In-Reply-To: <269BADAF-E427-427A-A4B1-E1F7612345F7@widomaker.com>
References: <b9b4c289-4f9d-7afc-3bb6-406e72eddb33@n7xy.net>
	<269BADAF-E427-427A-A4B1-E1F7612345F7@widomaker.com>
Message-ID: <2788cd2d-5984-188a-b096-7cd4da01f3e9@n7xy.net>

Thanks. It wasn't the answer but got me looking in the right place.? I 
had to set CONFIG/FM MODE to ON.? I thought the setting in K3 Utility 
would handle it but I guess not.

Bob, N7XY


On 9/19/18 4:15 PM, Nr4c wrote:
> Must enable FM in CONFIG/ BandMap. Look it up in the big ?book?.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
> ...nr4c. bill
>
>
>> On Sep 19, 2018, at 7:05 PM, Bob Nielsen - N7XY <n7xy at n7xy.net> wrote:
>>
>> I'm still learning to use my new K3S but am already very impressed with the performance.  However, I am unable to switch to the FM mode.  I have installed and configured the 13 kHz filter and checked the K3 utility to verify that FM is enabled for that filter and that TX FM is enabled, but the mode switch will not select the FM mode.  Is there some additional step which I have missed?
>>
>> Bob, N7XY
>>
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From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Wed Sep 19 19:35:15 2018
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2018 19:35:15 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Kx2
In-Reply-To: <921E8F25-E4DC-4289-95BD-3C18FD6BF3BC@gmail.com>
References: <921E8F25-E4DC-4289-95BD-3C18FD6BF3BC@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d418b808-a258-198e-3c0a-46d9e3c2cc16@embarqmail.com>

Al,

I am a bit confused by your wording.
You select CW or other modes with the MODE button - not the menu.
While in CW mode, go into the menu and turn VOX ON.
That is all there is to it.  When you cycle power the VOX should stay on 
if you select CW mode with the MODE button.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 9/19/2018 6:53 PM, allen Montoye wrote:
> I absolutely love my KX2 with the auto tuner. There is one feature that is annoying however. When it is turned off the vox setting ?CW md that enables break-in keying defaults to ?off?. So when I turn it back on I have to go into the menu to select CW md again. Is there a way to program the unit to power up with that setting ?on??

From adb66856 at yahoo.com  Wed Sep 19 19:46:25 2018
From: adb66856 at yahoo.com (Allen Bush)
Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2018 23:46:25 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 question
References: <645127318.80604.1537400785110.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <645127318.80604.1537400785110@mail.yahoo.com>

My KAT500 turns on by itself after a power outage.? I can then turn it off and it stays off until another power outage.? I am using a regulated wall wart to power it.? Is this normal behavior? I keep it powered continuously but normally turned off.? ?Allen, W0OUU

From k6mr at outlook.com  Wed Sep 19 20:19:06 2018
From: k6mr at outlook.com (Ken K6MR)
Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2018 00:19:06 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 question
In-Reply-To: <645127318.80604.1537400785110@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <645127318.80604.1537400785110.ref@mail.yahoo.com>,
	<645127318.80604.1537400785110@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <SN6PR05MB471795A7E1116AF1E91D2A389E130@SN6PR05MB4717.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>

Configuration page of the utility, ?Initial Power? tab.  Uncheck ?Power On when DC power applied?.



Ken K6MR



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From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> on behalf of Allen Bush via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2018 4:46:25 PM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 question

My KAT500 turns on by itself after a power outage.  I can then turn it off and it stays off until another power outage.  I am using a regulated wall wart to power it.  Is this normal behavior? I keep it powered continuously but normally turned off.   Allen, W0OUU
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From ae0mm at protonmail.com  Wed Sep 19 20:55:40 2018
From: ae0mm at protonmail.com (AE0MM)
Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2018 00:55:40 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 C22 calibration
In-Reply-To: <1652a2c6-0334-98e3-fb47-bcc926463521@embarqmail.com>
References: <iV7Fljuweml-K1iPq3hSpGOYemfaSiJCxNLiBKAMFdTyUctYtUHOqkghjA5vAUa3EfQEhS7Lt0HVMSBIzRo-CIZe9BhPFcrx3mT25hVNiiA=@protonmail.com>
	<4bcd1f38-330f-e921-11fb-4607e3311b4f@embarqmail.com>
	<D2-fa1nRkFCk2Ez_uH5tBS0fPPf2eOitEGyTw6UkC0j7hR89B0PZ88aNu6J827_Qcr7E37ggsH05HhbjlA0_lH79Bla3YFZFS1b7aJfNgb4=@protonmail.com>
	<0a32b6d6-9219-74ee-c144-170cbe144d65@embarqmail.com>
	<ejMAxp_qSdzqaGNwp_7-h0FRXL3PZkIXMVnDHnTSW_bXEpZOTDc8q-JZzm8Rk4AmFmmck7C8En8CAQf_64ve32hnWNPCfdVn_K-KrsMmfW0=@protonmail.com>
	<1652a2c6-0334-98e3-fb47-bcc926463521@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <RKEobJ_HcGwvH8QiiRkepVa9jb9A2vx_FJILgPvuTL3pCLu5-VKz1mn0p2wwBtH7oNuUhil4ulqB9uJTRf4BFecxaWSCdMGr5CmQ2QLiXYA=@protonmail.com>

Don is incredible! He always knows when something is amiss. My K2 became unresponsive while adjusting c22 because I managed to swap c7 and c21 capacitors on the control board during assembly.

And yes, I did need to read up on zero-beating using sideband, not cw mode.

Thanks again, Don.


--ae0mm

??????? Original Message ???????
On Wednesday, September 19, 2018 1:10 PM, Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com> wrote:

> Mark,
>
> If you are trying to use a single signal, you must do it a bit
> differently.? look at
> http://w3fpr.com/Using RWM instead of WWV.htm and substitute the
> frequency of your generator for the frequency of the carrier only
> standard station - RWM.
>
> Has your XG3 been calibrated for frequency?? It is not a precision
> frequency standard.
>
> The K2 dial frequency is always the frequency of the transmitted carrier
> (or suppressed carrier for SSB).
> In CW, the receive frequency is offset by the amount of your sidetone so
> you hear the signal at your selected sidetone pitch.
>
> Make certain you have the filters on the right sideband.? If you have
> them correct, the DAC values for LSB, RTTY, and CW will be lower than
> the DAC values for USB, RTTYrev, and CWrev (bar over the "r" or "c").
>
> If you have the wrong sideband, the error will be twice the sidetone pitch.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 9/19/2018 12:04 PM, AE0MM wrote:
>
> > I'm using the XG3. Attempts with both cw and usb mode have resulted in similar 1.5KHz to 2KHz differences in frequency display vs the output signal of the XG3. There is so much utility noise (arcing) at my QTH that hearing WWV can be difficult.
> > Why doesn't the receive offset, when zero-beating using the spot tone, result in the correct VFO offset? Seems I'm generally confused about dial frequency in ssb and cw.
> > I'll re-read everything again. It seems I'm wrongly assuming that zero-beating using a 600Hz tone would result in the dial frequency being off by -600Hz in usb. Tonight I'll use a spectrum analyzer and attempt dial calibration.
> > Thanks,
> > --mark/ae0mm
> > ??????? Original Message ???????
> > On 19 September 2018 8:57 AM, Don Wilhelm donwilh at embarqmail.com wrote:
> >
> > > Mark,
> > > It sounds like you may be tuning to WWV using CW mode.? CW mode uses a
> > > receive offset equal to your sidetone pitch which can cause you to be in
> > > error by twice the sidetone pitch.
> > > What mode are you using when you tune WWV?? It must be SSB, and you must
> > > tune the transmitted tones correctly (do not tune to the carrier).? 500
> > > and 600 Hz tones are sent on alternating minutes except for announcement
> > > and silent minutes.? A 1000 Hz tone is sent for 1 second at the
> > > beginning of each minute.? Make certain you are hearing the tones at the
> > > correct audio frequency.
> > > An audio spectrum analyzer running on your computer can be very helpful,
> > > or set a receiver capable of receiving in AM mode to tune WWV as well as
> > > the K2 and match the audio tones.
> > > 73,
> > > Don W3FPR
> > > On 9/19/2018 9:19 AM, AE0MM wrote:
> > >
> > > > Don,
> > > > Where I'm getting stuck is step one under SETTING THE K2 REFERENCE OSCILLATOR on this page:
> > > > http://www.w3fpr.com/dial_cal.html
> > > > Then step two on this page:
> > > > http://www.w3fpr.com/n6kr_method.htm
> > > > For a 10MHz reference, I'm unable to get the difference between TP1 (VCO) and TP2 (BFO) any closer than 10001.50. Attempts to get the difference of the VCO and BFO closer to 10000 result in radio becoming unresponsive.
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > --mark/ae0mm
> > > > ??????? Original Message ???????
> > > > On 19 September 2018 6:59 AM, Don Wilhelm donwilh at embarqmail.com wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Mark,
> > > > > The setting of C22 does not control the frequency readout directly. The
> > > > > frequency readout uses the contents of the EEPROM that are produced when
> > > > > you do the CAL PLL and CAL FIL procedures.
> > > > > The only time C22 must be set correctly is just before you do a CAL PLL
> > > > > or a CAL FIL. At other times it is just a clock for the MCU and does
> > > > > not need to be accurate.
> > > > > I suggest you read the K2 Dial Calibration article on my website
> > > > > www.w3fpr.com and proceed according to those instructions.
> > > > > 73,
> > > > > Don W3FPR
> > > > > On 9/18/2018 9:27 PM, AE0MM via Elecraft wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Just completed assembly of my K2. The VFO display reads about 1.5KHz high. I've attempted several times to calibrate it by adjusting C22, but I'm not able to get the frequency of TP1 on the 30m band any lower than ~14.9154MHz (while the vfo set to zero beat with a 10MHz signal) without it causing the radio to stop responding.
> > > > > > When c22 is adjusted to a point where it lowers the frequency of TP1 below 14.915, the display freezes and it stops responding to button presses. If the power is cycled, no relays click and the display has no indication of life. When c22 is returned to the previous setting, the radio becomes responsive.



From ke8g.jim at gmail.com  Wed Sep 19 21:23:12 2018
From: ke8g.jim at gmail.com (KE8G)
Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2018 21:23:12 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Serial #5946 has been sold
Message-ID: <CAOdpi6H8VxmNiLdfb5SSSPGzX+DZQHnS9KK4LOniizQ_ZAAE2g@mail.gmail.com>

Thank you for all the inquiries!

Serial # 5946

K3/100-F         100 Watt

KAT3-F          K3 ATU

KFL3A           2.8 Khz Filter Swap

KFL3A           400 Hz Filter

Power cable     Anderson Poles on both ends

Owner?s Manual, plus Fred Cady ? KE7X  ?The Elecraft K3 ? Design,
Configuration, and Operation Manual?





73 de Jim - KE8G

From marklgoldberg at gmail.com  Thu Sep 20 00:34:29 2018
From: marklgoldberg at gmail.com (Mark Goldberg)
Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2018 21:34:29 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 - Static IPv4 address
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I have to second the VPN solution. I have a similar setup with an incoming
VPN. You can be anywhere in the world with a computer or mobile device and
connect to your home network and have access to everything as if you are
there.

I also use OpenVPN, but on a larger Linux computer. It also can be run on a
router with DD-WRT or even on a commercial router designed for this
purpose. There are other VPNs also.

If you do port forwarding, anyone on the internet can access your KPA1500.
As far as I can tell, it is not meant to be connected to the internet.
There is no security or password protection. And, someone will figure out
how to do bad things. There are just people like that out there. I
generally think port forwarding is a BAD IDEA! Many security and baby
cameras that use port forwarding have been hacked. There are even automatic
search engines to find them.

A VPN on the other hand provides pretty good security. The VPN server runs
on a computer on your network. A client runs on the remote device. It
generally requires something you know (a password) and something you have
(a digital certificate on the client ). So, for anyone to get in, they need
both your client device and the password. You can revoke a stolen digital
certificate and create another if needed. There have been vulnerabilities
on VPNs, but they get patched and if you keep updated, you are certainly
better off than using port forwarding.

There are a couple drawbacks though. Your ISP may block some incoming
connections. I also would say that I did successfully set it up, and it has
worked for years with no problems, but it was not simple. There are
cookbooks to do so, but they are long cookbooks. A commercial router with
this capability may be better if you don't feel so inclined..

Good luck in whatever you do.

73,

Mark
W7MLG




On Wed, Sep 19, 2018 at 9:34 AM, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT <
KX3.2 at coldrockshotbrooms.com> wrote:

> I have a Raspberry Pi 3 running OpenVPN to solve exactly this kind of
> problem.
>
> OpenVPN lets you connect remotely from the outside world and actually get
> an IP off of your own LAN.
>
> The best thing about this is you aren't opening ports that *might* be
> vulnerable to some exploit -- other than the Pi, but at least it's a single
> point of attack.
>
> You don't have to be a Linux expert to do this, you can pretty much do
> this in cookbook fashion successfully.
>
> Once installed, you also get access to any NAS boxes, your home printer,
> etc. from anywhere -- the VPN is just like a really long ethernet cable.
>
> Eventually, I'll get FLDIGI running on the Pi, when time permits, and have
> everything I need to run digital from anywhere inside or outside my home.
>
> 73 -- Lynn
>
>
> On 9/19/2018 8:30 AM, John Langdon wrote:
>
>> I set the IP by using the facility in my router to assign a fixed IP to a
>> MAC address. Using the "KPA1500 remote" software I can access the amp on
>> the local LAN via Ethernet or via the USB connection.
>>
>> I have not been able to access it remotely via the Ethernet interface by
>> forwarding an external port to the KPA1500 IP address and port, so I use
>> the USB interface and then Windows desktop connection to accomplish remote
>> control. This is okay for one person access, which is all I need.  The
>> software should provide multi-user access, but I have not been able to
>> achieve that so far.
>>
>> 73 John N5CQ
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net>
>> On Behalf Of Burl Borcherding
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2018 7:46 AM
>> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>> Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 - Static IPv4 address
>>
>> Is it possible to set a static IP address on this amp?  I am thinking
>> using one of my static IPv4 address and port 1500.  This would eliminate
>> the local /server computer.
>> Or is there a better method of using remote K3, KPA1500 and RemoteRig?  I
>> want to be able to use the KPA1500 app to monitor the amp.
>>
>> Burl,  AJ9Q
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From bborch at gmail.com  Thu Sep 20 04:10:11 2018
From: bborch at gmail.com (Burl Borcherding)
Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2018 04:10:11 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft]  KPA1500 - Static IPv4 address
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> Thanks for all the info.  I have the amp setup for static IPv4 address and port forwarding on the router with udp/tcp applied
> I can connect locally and everything works like it should.
> However, when I " Connect Remote? I get the screen with the green bar on the bottom, the buttons at the bottom will highlight, the buttons at the top will not highlight.
> When I click on menu buttons, for instance "host remote? I get an error message stating it is connected to client.

> Is this a bug in the KPA1500 software?
> 
> Appreciate any ideas?.  Burl,  AJ9Q




From OH2CG at kolumbus.fi  Thu Sep 20 04:43:30 2018
From: OH2CG at kolumbus.fi (Pentti A J Pajunen)
Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2018 11:43:30 +0300
Subject: [Elecraft] loss of RX sensivity
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Hi all!
I'm a member of some similar lists. Every time somebody asks for help of 
some issue, the biggest count of "advices" distrace far away of the 
original subject. Are U sure that zillions of ways how to tighten A 
certain connector or wisdoms alike, are any real kinda solution.? Seems 
that the real fact goes 2far OFF-TOPIC! To unveil, I have caught myself 
undeliberately pressed the antenna selector swith, being too lazy to 
read the display. Fortunatelly I havent (yet) dismantled any of my gear 
to find the real reason. :-D

73 & CU
Penna OH2G


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> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2018 16:45:10 -0700
> From: Walter Underwood <wunder at wunderwood.org>
> To: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] loss of RX sensitivity
> Message-ID: <CEF1DF11-28D1-4409-8023-4C4CA0C81B4A at wunderwood.org>
> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset=utf-8
>
> The next time someone challenges me on why I only use BNC and Type N connectors, I?m going to send them this entire discussion.
>
> wunder
> K6WRU
> Walter Underwood
> CM87wj
> http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog)
>
>> On Sep 17, 2018, at 4:41 PM, Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Andy,
>>
>> The PL259 to SO239 connector "end face" contact is provided only by pressure - it is not a sliding contact as you would find in a BNC or an N connector.  The pressure is provided only by the tightening of the threaded portion of the PL259.
>>
>> I ask you - just how much resistance can be expected if you just touch two ends of wires together without further positive contact?
>>
>> The "insulating spacer" is any oxidation on either the SO239 or the PL259.  That is why I like silver plated UHF connectors.  They may look a bit corroded, but the silver oxide is conductive even though it can appear brown or black.  If you are shopping for UHF connectors at hamfests, avoid all those nickel-plated ones that a not Amphenol, but flock to those that are oxidized, and silver plated with Mil Spec designations on them.
>>
>> 73,
>> Don W3FPR
>>
>> On 9/17/2018 6:39 PM, ANDY DURBIN wrote:
>>> " the threads of the PL259 are providing the only contact with the SO239"
>>> In the connectors that you are mating how do you prevent contact between the end face of the PL259 body and the end face of the SO239 body? You would need an insulating spacer for your statement to be true.
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> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2018 16:46:28 -0700
> From: Wes Stewart <wes_n7ws at triconet.org>
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] loss of RX sensitivity
> Message-ID: <4edb4fb7-4dec-3b77-379d-7c147885aa6e at triconet.org>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
>
> This is one of those, "it depends" situations.? Depending on the location of the
> two center conductor insulators in the plug and socket, the serrated (toothed)
> surface of the female connector might well contact the mating plug surface, if
> there is a gap between the insulators. In fact the "tighten it with pliers"
> crowd might actually be forcing this connection and mistakenly believing that
> they are improving the connection via the threads.
>
> Wes? N7WS
>
> On 9/17/2018 3:22 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
>> Chuck,
>>
>> That is true, but is ignoring the fact that the threads of the PL259 are
>> providing the only contact with the SO239.
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2018 16:52:04 -0700
> From: Wes Stewart <wes_n7ws at triconet.org>
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] loss of RX sensitivity
> Message-ID: <ceb83556-0242-a797-6ec2-dde6b4744288 at triconet.org>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
>
> Pretty much my point made in another post.
>
> In fact, I often take a perverse view of these situations and ask myself, "Self,
> if you wanted to screw these two things together without the faces touching, how
> difficult would it be to do?"? And of course the answer is, almost impossible.
>
> Wes? N7ws
>
> On 9/17/2018 3:39 PM, ANDY DURBIN wrote:
>> " the threads of the PL259 are providing the only contact with the SO239"
>>
>>
>> In the connectors that you are mating how do you prevent contact between the end face of the PL259 body and the end face of the SO239 body? You would need an insulating spacer for your statement to be true.
>>
>>
>> 73,
>>
>> Andy k3wyc
>>
>>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2018 20:04:52 -0400 (EDT)
> From: donovanf at starpower.net
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] loss of RX sensitivity
> Message-ID:
> 	<1836022939.17530244.1537229092087.JavaMail.root at starpower.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>
> If you have a vector network analyzer you'll discover that BNC
> connectors aren't all that great at VHF and above, l oss and
> impedance vary with connector axial alignment because the bayonnet
> shell doesn't support aligh the connector body very well. Strain relief
> is extremely important with BNC connectors. TNC connectors are
> far superior but not widely used.
>
>
> While professionally installed N connectors have superb RF
> characteristics, all too often they're improperly installed -- even by
> professionals -- leading to damaged connectors if the male pin is
> misaligned, or unreliable contact if the pin or socket depth is just a
> few millimeters less than the manufacturers specification. I use
> only captive pin male N connectors, avoiding the most severe
> problems. I never use female N connectors on cables, the N sockets
> are much too fragile.
>
>
> Its hard to beat high quality silver plated UHF connectors at HF and
> 6 meters. But its important to use a tool to tighten them. That's a
> small price to pay for a very reliable connector.
>
>
> 73
> Frank
> W3LPL
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: "Walter Underwood" <wunder at wunderwood.org>
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Sent: Monday, September 17, 2018 11:45:10 PM
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] loss of RX sensitivity
>
> The next time someone challenges me on why I only use BNC and Type N connectors, I?m going to send them this entire discussion.
>
> wunder
> K6WRU
> Walter Underwood
> CM87wj
> http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog)
>
>> On Sep 17, 2018, at 4:41 PM, Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Andy,
>>
>> The PL259 to SO239 connector "end face" contact is provided only by pressure - it is not a sliding contact as you would find in a BNC or an N connector. The pressure is provided only by the tightening of the threaded portion of the PL259.
>>
>> I ask you - just how much resistance can be expected if you just touch two ends of wires together without further positive contact?
>>
>> The "insulating spacer" is any oxidation on either the SO239 or the PL259. That is why I like silver plated UHF connectors. They may look a bit corroded, but the silver oxide is conductive even though it can appear brown or black. If you are shopping for UHF connectors at hamfests, avoid all those nickel-plated ones that a not Amphenol, but flock to those that are oxidized, and silver plated with Mil Spec designations on them.
>>
>> 73,
>> Don W3FPR
>>
>> On 9/17/2018 6:39 PM, ANDY DURBIN wrote:
>>> " the threads of the PL259 are providing the only contact with the SO239"
>>> In the connectors that you are mating how do you prevent contact between the end face of the PL259 body and the end face of the SO239 body? You would need an insulating spacer for your statement to be true.
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> Message: 5
> Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2018 00:10:14 +0000
> From: "hawley, charles j jr" <c-hawley at illinois.edu>
> To: Walter Underwood <wunder at wunderwood.org>
> Cc: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] loss of RX sensitivity
> Message-ID: <3F540CCA-95CC-4DDF-9E06-389F999D4B11 at illinois.edu>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252"
>
> Trouble is I have to put adapters on the equipment and then go to bnc
>
> Chuck Jack
> KE9UW
>
> Sent from my iPhone, cjack
>
>> On Sep 17, 2018, at 6:46 PM, Walter Underwood <wunder at wunderwood.org> wrote:
>>
>> The next time someone challenges me on why I only use BNC and Type N connectors, I?m going to send them this entire discussion.
>>
>> wunder
>> K6WRU
>> Walter Underwood
>> CM87wj
>> http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog)
>>
>>> On Sep 17, 2018, at 4:41 PM, Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Andy,
>>>
>>> The PL259 to SO239 connector "end face" contact is provided only by pressure - it is not a sliding contact as you would find in a BNC or an N connector.  The pressure is provided only by the tightening of the threaded portion of the PL259.
>>>
>>> I ask you - just how much resistance can be expected if you just touch two ends of wires together without further positive contact?
>>>
>>> The "insulating spacer" is any oxidation on either the SO239 or the PL259.  That is why I like silver plated UHF connectors.  They may look a bit corroded, but the silver oxide is conductive even though it can appear brown or black.  If you are shopping for UHF connectors at hamfests, avoid all those nickel-plated ones that a not Amphenol, but flock to those that are oxidized, and silver plated with Mil Spec designations on them.
>>>
>>> 73,
>>> Don W3FPR
>>>
>>>> On 9/17/2018 6:39 PM, ANDY DURBIN wrote:
>>>> " the threads of the PL259 are providing the only contact with the SO239"
>>>> In the connectors that you are mating how do you prevent contact between the end face of the PL259 body and the end face of the SO239 body? You would need an insulating spacer for your statement to be true.
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> Message: 6
> Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2018 21:00:22 -0500
> From: Bob McGraw K4TAX <rmcgraw at blomand.net>
> To: Elecraft List <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 Antenna Grounding
> Message-ID: <44b2126d-bf69-dc33-4b1c-083fa17a6fff at blomand.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
>
> I didn't find the answer in the manual, so I'll ask here.?? I do see in
> the manual where bleed resistors are applied to the unused antenna
> terminals to bleed off static charges.? {page 15, Antenna
> Selector......... etc}
>
> My question, do the relays in the tuner take the center conductor of all
> three antenna terminals to ground when power is removed? I see that it
> switches to ANT 1 when power is off. ?? I suppose I could remove the
> covers and explore for myself, and I'll do just that if no one confirms
> one way or the other.?? Anyone have a schematic?? That would be nice.
>
>
> 73
>
> Bob, K4TAX
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2018 22:13:46 -0400
> From: Richard <FlatHat at comcast.net>
> To: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: [Elecraft] Time Sync Program for Mac
> Message-ID: <A4241D22-18FF-4064-B844-39F90C339EBB at comcast.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>
> What?s a good simple stand-alone application to keep my Mac?s clock razor sharp for FT8?
>
> I find that WSJT-X 1.8.0 is triggering my K3S? transmitter up to a full second late sometimes, typically 0.5 second late.
>
> Cheers!
> Richard ? W4KBX
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2018 22:16:18 -0400
> From: John Stengrevics <jstengrevics at comcast.net>
> To: Richard <FlatHat at comcast.net>
> Cc: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Time Sync Program for Mac
> Message-ID: <4C05F2E7-5902-4AE4-80BA-8326688BFF75 at comcast.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset=utf-8
>
> Richard,
>
> In System Preferences, input us.pool.ntp.org <http://us.pool.ntp.org/>
>
> Works fine for my Mac.
>
> 73,
>
> John
> WA1EAZ
>
>> On Sep 17, 2018, at 10:13 PM, Richard <FlatHat at comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>> What?s a good simple stand-alone application to keep my Mac?s clock razor sharp for FT8?
>>
>> I find that WSJT-X 1.8.0 is triggering my K3S? transmitter up to a full second late sometimes, typically 0.5 second late.
>>
>> Cheers!
>> Richard ? W4KBX
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> Message: 9
> Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2018 22:29:52 -0400
> From: "Peter Dougherty \(W2IRT\)" <lists at w2irt.net>
> To: <Elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 and Remotehams.com
> Message-ID: <000301d44ef7$7b8b1c70$72a15550$@net>
> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="us-ascii"
>
> Hi all,
> I'd like to be able to use my KPA-1500 with Remotehams, but I'm not sure how
> to set this up. First off, the baud rate is limited in the RCFOrb server app
> to 115200, and secondly, I'm guessing I have to open a port somewhere??
>
> If the only way to do this is drop the baud rate on the KPA, what else will
> have to change in other software or with the K3s in order to communicate? I
> have the amp running on COM-14, and it is also on my LAN.
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
>   
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------
>
> Regards,
> Peter Dougherty, W2IRT
>
> DXCC Card Checker/CQ-WAZ Checkpoint
>
> www.facebook.com/W2IRT
>
>   
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2018 21:31:42 -0500
> From: Bob McGraw K4TAX <rmcgraw at blomand.net>
> To: Richard <FlatHat at comcast.net>
> Cc: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Time Sync Program for Mac
> Message-ID: <7B7A4950-4D7A-4416-AC16-9D2838EBCAE5 at blomand.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset=utf-8
>
> I first suggest updating to the most current version of WSJT-X.
>
> On receiving FT8 signals, what is the DT time shown for most received signals?  Should be less than 1 second and typically less than 0.3 seconds.  If so there is nothing wrong with your computer time.
>
> Likely the delay is processing time, computer or interface or a TX delay set in the application.
>
> Bob, K4TAX
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Sep 17, 2018, at 9:13 PM, Richard <FlatHat at comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>> What?s a good simple stand-alone application to keep my Mac?s clock razor sharp for FT8?
>>
>> I find that WSJT-X 1.8.0 is triggering my K3S? transmitter up to a full second late sometimes, typically 0.5 second late.
>>
>> Cheers!
>> Richard ? W4KBX
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> Message: 11
> Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2018 20:30:10 -0700
> From: Wes Stewart <wes_n7ws at triconet.org>
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KAT500 Antenna Grounding
> Message-ID: <1caa5325-2af2-56c8-8ac5-251bed28e1c5 at triconet.org>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
>
> Unpowered, the input is connected to Ant 1.? Each output has a 1 meg resistor to
> ground, other than that just open relay contacts.
>
> Wes? N7WS.
>
>
>   ?On 9/17/2018 7:00 PM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote:
>> I didn't find the answer in the manual, so I'll ask here.?? I do see in the
>> manual where bleed resistors are applied to the unused antenna terminals to
>> bleed off static charges.? {page 15, Antenna Selector......... etc}
>>
>> My question, do the relays in the tuner take the center conductor of all three
>> antenna terminals to ground when power is removed? I see that it switches to
>> ANT 1 when power is off. ?? I suppose I could remove the covers and explore
>> for myself, and I'll do just that if no one confirms one way or the other.??
>> Anyone have a schematic?? That would be nice.
>>
>>
>> 73
>>
>> Bob, K4TAX
>>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 12
> Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2018 11:42:42 +0200
> From: "Bob DeHaney" <bobdehaney at gmx.net>
> To: <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: [Elecraft] Entertaining Tales
> Message-ID: <001a01d44f33$f28277b0$d7876710$@gmx.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="utf-8"
>
> Guys, W4MLE (SK) was just trying to tell me that Propagation and Antennas will always be waiting to surprise me by functioning unexpectedly.
>
>   
>
> For instance, using a light bulb as a dummy load and having a QSO with the light bulb as my antenna.  Or calling CQ in the afternoon on 40m with 75 Watts into a low, more or less tuned dipole, and having I1ER come back to me as my very first Trans-Atlantic QSO.  I think that?s when the DX Bug bit me ?
>
>   
>
> Vy 73 de Bob DJ0RD/WU5T
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 13
> Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2018 07:26:26 -0500
> From: "George Pasek" <pasek001 at umn.edu>
> To: "Bob McGraw K4TAX" <rmcgraw at blomand.net>
> Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 encoder dying?
> Message-ID: <CE6AAC7BB1CF4C3380261F867E4F77B7 at JRPC>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> 	reply-type=original
>
> I opted to get a RSA number from Elecraft and ship it out to them.  I no
> longer have my workbench (or keen eyesight/steady soldering hand for that
> matter) so I really don't want taking a chance to do that type of work on
> something as expensive as the KX3.  I told them to replace all 4 of the
> small encorders and I should be good-to-go for many more years.
>
> George
> WD0AKZ
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bob McGraw K4TAX
> Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2018 4:49 PM
> To: George Pasek
> Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 encoder dying?
>
> Encoders can be cleaned. I've done it in several radios, several brands.  It
> is usually necessary to open the radio, remove the encoder.  Then carefully
> open the encoder, clean the wiper contacts and the stationary contacts with
> contact cleaner.   These are simply a stepping switch. Only one moving part.
> Reassemble in the reverse process.
>
> Bob, K4TAX
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Sep 16, 2018, at 4:39 PM, George Pasek <pasek001 at umn.edu> wrote:
>>
>> I noticed today that when I tried to fine adjust the mic level with the
>> mic/keyer/pwr encoder that it may display the mic level but won't change
>> it or if it does it's very erratic.  The response is the same with the
>> keyer speed in CW mode and when attempting to adjust the power level.
>> Turning the knob fast usually does nothing, turning it slow may move it a
>> bit and wiggling the knob seems the best way to see results.   I never had
>> a problem with it till today and I have made no changes to it or it's
>> operation.  I have been running it on WSPR at 500mw with a 2 minute Tx and
>> 8 minute Rx for a few weeks now and always tweak the mic gain for the
>> blinking ALC 5th bar when I change bands.  I'm assuming it's the encoder
>> going bad and will have to be sent to the Elecraft Hospital for a part
>> replacement surgery but I thought I'd check here first in case I'm missing
>> something.
>>
>> tnx
>> de George
>> WD0AKZ
>>
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> Message: 14
> Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2018 08:15:53 -0500
> From: Bob McGraw K4TAX <rmcgraw at blomand.net>
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KAT500 Antenna Grounding
> Message-ID: <22fca47a-7a70-a68e-0459-6424106d6915 at blomand.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
>
> Thanks Wes.???? I hesitated to un-stack the KPA500 off of the KAT500 and
> disconnect all the cables.??? I suppose I need to look at my
> configuration to reduce the likelihood of any damage to the PIN diodes
> in the KPA500.?? Lightning protection is good on the outside of the
> house but static discharge probably needs review.
>
> 73
>
> Bob, K4TAX
>
>
> On 9/17/2018 10:30 PM, Wes Stewart wrote:
>> Unpowered, the input is connected to Ant 1.? Each output has a 1 meg
>> resistor to ground, other than that just open relay contacts.
>>
>> Wes? N7WS.
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 15
> Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2018 10:29:41 -0500
> From: "Dr. William J. Schmidt" <bill at wjschmidt.com>
> To: "'Elecraft Reflector'" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] loss of RX sensitivity
> Message-ID: <01ed01d44f64$6b467310$41d35930$@wjschmidt.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="UTF-8"
>
>
> [[The next time someone challenges me on why I only use BNC and Type N connectors, I?m going to send them this entire discussion.]]
>
> Unfortunately this is not perfect either.  If you use an "N" connector on long runs of heliax in a cold climate, you must be aware that the coefficients of expansion of the center conductor and the shield can be different... and on several occasions, I have seen the center pin pull back from the connector (and essentially disconnect) because the center conductor contracted more than the shield.  Nb. This does not happen with all "N" connectors.  This is less of a problem with BNC connectors because the coax used is generally has a somewhat flexible shield.
>
>
>
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> Message: 16
> Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2018 09:40:46 -0600
> From: Ken G Kopp <kengkopp at gmail.com>
> To: "Dr. William J. Schmidt" <bill at wjschmidt.com>,	Elecraft
> 	<elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Type N male pin movement
> Message-ID:
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> UG-1185's have captive center pins to avoid this problem.
>
> Caution: There are two ways the Teflon spacers can be assembled.  The
> recessed sides face outward.
>
> 73 !
>
> K0PP
>
> On Tue, Sep 18, 2018, 09:30 Dr. William J. Schmidt <bill at wjschmidt.com>
> wrote:
>
>> [[The next time someone challenges me on why I only use BNC and Type N
>> connectors, I?m going to send them this entire discussion.]]
>>
>> Unfortunately this is not perfect either.  If you use an "N" connector on
>> long runs of heliax in a cold climate, you must be aware that the
>> coefficients of expansion of the center conductor and the shield can be
>> different... and on several occasions, I have seen the center pin pull back
>> from the connector (and essentially disconnect) because the center
>> conductor contracted more than the shield.  Nb. This does not happen with
>> all "N" connectors.  This is less of a problem with BNC connectors because
>> the coax used is generally has a somewhat flexible shield.
>>
>>
>>
>>
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> Message: 17
> Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2018 11:46:50 -0400 (EDT)
> From: donovanf at starpower.net
> To: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] loss of RX sensitivity
> Message-ID:
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>
> Captivated pin N connectors completely resolve the problem of the
> center pin pulling back in cold weather.
>
>
> 73
> Frank
> W3LPL
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: "Dr. William J. Schmidt" <bill at wjschmidt.com>
> To: "Elecraft Reflector" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2018 3:29:41 PM
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] loss of RX sensitivity
>
>
> [[The next time someone challenges me on why I only use BNC and Type N connectors, I?m going to send them this entire discussion.]]
>
> Unfortunately this is not perfect either. If you use an "N" connector on long runs of heliax in a cold climate, you must be aware that the coefficients of expansion of the center conductor and the shield can be different... and on several occasions, I have seen the center pin pull back from the connector (and essentially disconnect) because the center conductor contracted more than the shield. Nb. This does not happen with all "N" connectors. This is less of a problem with BNC connectors because the coax used is generally has a somewhat flexible shield.
>
>
>
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> Message: 18
> Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2018 10:50:25 -0500
> From: Gene Sochor <gsochor at interaccess.com>
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [Elecraft] K3/100-F Sold, P3F
> Message-ID: <201809181550.w8IFoSu1028050 at mail40c28.carrierzone.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
>
> K3/100-F s/n 6587 has been sold.
>
> P3-F s/n 2191 New, unopened in original packing is available for
> $500.  Shipping included continental US
>
> This had been purchased paired with a K3 for an SO2R station that was
> never configured.
>
> Gene Sochor N9SW   Cell: 630-404-8100
> PO Bo 413
> Wayne, IL 60184
> gsochor at interaccess.com
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 19
> Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2018 09:20:54 -0700
> From: Jim Brown <jim at audiosystemsgroup.com>
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KAT500 Antenna Grounding
> Message-ID:
> 	<6ae8bafd-713f-5418-55da-b0ad63296b90 at audiosystemsgroup.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
>
> On 9/18/2018 6:15 AM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote:
>> Lightning protection is good on the outside of the house but static
>> discharge probably needs review.
> Bob,
>
> Take a look at the arrestors that Array Solutions sells, which are the
> circuit that were built under the ICE name until the owner died a decade
> or so ago, and that they sold. I'm now using them, and have them mounted
> in a large Hoffman enclosure. I like the circuit because I believe it is
> a better solution to the discharge problem, and I like their
> construction because the GDT is user replaceable. If you lose the GDT in
> a Polyphaser you throw it away and buy a new one.
>
> https://www.arraysolutions.com/surge-and-rf-protection/as-303u
>
> 73, Jim K9YC
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 20
> Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2018 16:53:25 +0000
> From: Don Schroder <donanddeena at hotmail.com>
> To: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Panadapter
> Message-ID:
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> 	
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>
> Morning!
>
> I have a kit K2 s/n 7818 that is about 2/3rds complete. I?m a newbie and this is my first radio. I?ve been  looking at additions for my non-existent ham shack and am curious about the Elecraft P3. Looking at the advertising, I see it is for the K3 & K3s, and other radios.
>
> Hence, my question. How many of you consider the P3 to be a must have, and can it be used with a K2 transceiver? As a side note, what other optional equipment to the K2 would you consider necessary?
>
> Thanks, and 73!
> Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 21
> Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2018 13:12:42 -0400
> From: Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com>
> To: Don Schroder <donanddeena at hotmail.com>,	"elecraft at mailman.qth.net"
> 	<elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 Panadapter
> Message-ID: <09776cee-ad62-7290-56bc-0f695a27884a at embarqmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
>
> Don,
>
> You can use it with the K3 (the P3 input can be tuned anywhere between
> 455kHz and 21 MHz).
> You will have to add an IF output to the K2.  DX Engineering is now
> selling the Clifton Labs buffer amplifier which can be used for that
> purpose.
>
> I don't know what documentation is being sent with the DX Engineering
> kit, but if you need it, I can supply the original Clifton Labs document
> for the K2.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 9/18/2018 12:53 PM, Don Schroder wrote:
>> Morning!
>>
>> I have a kit K2 s/n 7818 that is about 2/3rds complete. I?m a newbie and this is my first radio. I?ve been  looking at additions for my non-existent ham shack and am curious about the Elecraft P3. Looking at the advertising, I see it is for the K3 & K3s, and other radios.
>>
>> Hence, my question. How many of you consider the P3 to be a must have, and can it be used with a K2 transceiver? As a side note, what other optional equipment to the K2 would you consider necessary?
>>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 22
> Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2018 10:51:45 -0700
> From: Wes Stewart <wes_n7ws at triconet.org>
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] loss of RX sensitivity
> Message-ID: <1e6e24fe-5caa-7ed2-6b4a-6ea8fac496af at triconet.org>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
>
> It's difficult to argue with Frank's experience and expertise.? That said, fools
> rush in...
>
> I own some network analyzers, 1) an N2PK which I built with type N connectors,
> 2) a DG8SAQ VNWA-3, supplied with SMA connectors and 3) a RigExpert AA-55 Zoom
> with a SO239.? Professionally, I've used analyzers with type N, 3.5mm (beadless
> SMA) and K connectors. With the exception of the AA-55, which only goes to 55
> MHz, all of these can be calibrated with "precision" calibration kits that can
> cost thousands of dollars.? So far, Frank is right, not a BNC in the bunch.
>
> But that has changed with the introduction of the DG5MK's FA-VA5, one-port
> vector analyzer.? I am on the reserve list to buy one of these.? The thing to
> note is that it is supplied with a BNC connector.? There has been a lot of
> anguish, heartburn, etc about this on the VNWA Yahoo group but the consensus is
> that it will be fine and BNC calibration kit has been developed and tested
> without issue. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8Z7veGV57o
>
> There are tens of thousands of BNCs on oscilloscopes and other instruments and
> I've seldom had an issue with them in 30+ years of lab work.? For quick
> disconnect I also use short jumper cables with BNCs to break the connections
> between the hardline running to the tower and the cable entrance to the shack
> during lightning season.? Admittedly, I'm only running 500 W.? When I can leave
> them more permanently connected I revert to type N.
>
> Wes? N7WS
>
> On 9/17/2018 5:04 PM, donovanf at starpower.net wrote:
>> If you have a vector network analyzer you'll discover that BNC
>> connectors aren't all that great at VHF and above, l oss and
>> impedance vary with connector axial alignment because the bayonnet
>> shell doesn't support aligh the connector body very well. Strain relief
>> is extremely important with BNC connectors. TNC connectors are
>> far superior but not widely used.
>>
>>
>> While professionally installed N connectors have superb RF
>> characteristics, all too often they're improperly installed -- even by
>> professionals -- leading to damaged connectors if the male pin is
>> misaligned, or unreliable contact if the pin or socket depth is just a
>> few millimeters less than the manufacturers specification. I use
>> only captive pin male N connectors, avoiding the most severe
>> problems. I never use female N connectors on cables, the N sockets
>> are much too fragile.
>>
>>
>> Its hard to beat high quality silver plated UHF connectors at HF and
>> 6 meters. But its important to use a tool to tighten them. That's a
>> small price to pay for a very reliable connector.
>>
>>
>> 73
>> Frank
>> W3LPL
>>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 23
> Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2018 17:59:28 +0000
> From: George Thornton <gthornton at thorntonmostullaw.com>
> To: "donwilh at embarqmail.com" <donwilh at embarqmail.com>, Don Schroder
> 	<donanddeena at hotmail.com>, "elecraft at mailman.qth.net"
> 	<elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 Panadapter
> Message-ID:
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> 	
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> I have owned both the K2 and K3.  Perhaps the most fun I had in HAM radio was building the K2.   I learned a lot about soldering and assembly techniques.
>
> Electronics technology has advanced with miniaturization and surface mount parts.  The skill and equipment requirements for surface mount work is beyond the average amateur.  Elecraft does not offer kits that require surface mount work.
>
> The assembly process for the K3 is much less satisfying than with the K2.   All circuit boards come pre-assembled and you are pretty much just building the box and plugging things in.
>
> I also have worked extensively with the P3.   I find it very helpful.  There is a wealth of knowledge you get from being able to visually see the spectrum you are working.
>
> That being said, some of the advantages of the P3 come from its close integration with the K3.  I would believe that close integration would not be possible with the K2.
>
> There are also other panadapter options including the LP-Pan, which will allow you to view the K2's spectrum.   I much prefer the P3 because of the handy controls that allow you to adjust the image, but some of those other options may be less expensive.
>
> Think also of where you might go with all this.  The K2 is a wonderful rig and more than adequate for HF work.  If yuou get really serious about this you may, as I did, choose to upgrade to either the K3s or KX3.  The P3 could be used with the K3s but the KX3 has a different, smaller unit.
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On Behalf Of Don Wilhelm
> Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2018 10:13 AM
> To: Don Schroder <donanddeena at hotmail.com>; elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 Panadapter
>
> Don,
>
> You can use it with the K3 (the P3 input can be tuned anywhere between 455kHz and 21 MHz).
> You will have to add an IF output to the K2.  DX Engineering is now selling the Clifton Labs buffer amplifier which can be used for that purpose.
>
> I don't know what documentation is being sent with the DX Engineering kit, but if you need it, I can supply the original Clifton Labs document for the K2.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 9/18/2018 12:53 PM, Don Schroder wrote:
>> Morning!
>>
>> I have a kit K2 s/n 7818 that is about 2/3rds complete. I?m a newbie and this is my first radio. I?ve been  looking at additions for my non-existent ham shack and am curious about the Elecraft P3. Looking at the advertising, I see it is for the K3 & K3s, and other radios.
>>
>> Hence, my question. How many of you consider the P3 to be a must have, and can it be used with a K2 transceiver? As a side note, what other optional equipment to the K2 would you consider necessary?
>>
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> Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2018 11:32:48 -0700
> From: Fred Jensen <k6dgw at foothill.net>
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 Panadapter
> Message-ID: <e343bf25-1403-8125-51e3-e9b9ebc8593d at foothill.net>
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> Congratulations on your K2 Don, I've had #4398 for many years and it is
> a fun radio to operate, and will hold it's own with the "big guns" out
> there.? Don, W3FPR, is your go-to guy for all things K2.
>
> The P3 is basically a tuneable receiver from just below the AM broadcast
> band to somewhere around 20 MHz.? It will "work" with the K2 but you
> have to bring out the IF signal.? I put "work" in quotes because the P3
> will integrate with a K3 to give several modes of operation.? One very
> popular one is "Fixed Tune" where the edges of the display remain fixed
> and tuning the K3 moves a cursor.
>
> With the K2, the only mode available is "Tracking Mode" where the center
> of the screen is always where you are receiving, and as you tune, the
> signals on the band all move.
>
> As far as general P3 usefulness, for me it is huge.? It's all I look at
> when I operate.? I operate W7RN remotely on occasion, I really miss the
> P3, and I hope Elecraft is working on a remote capability for it.
>
> 73,
>
> Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
> Sparks NV DM09dn
> Washoe County
>
> On 9/18/2018 9:53 AM, Don Schroder wrote:
>> Morning!
>>
>> I have a kit K2 s/n 7818 that is about 2/3rds complete. I?m a newbie and this is my first radio. I?ve been  looking at additions for my non-existent ham shack and am curious about the Elecraft P3. Looking at the advertising, I see it is for the K3 & K3s, and other radios.
>>
>> Hence, my question. How many of you consider the P3 to be a must have, and can it be used with a K2 transceiver? As a side note, what other optional equipment to the K2 would you consider necessary?
>>
>>
>
>
> ------------------------------
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> Message: 25
> Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2018 14:45:33 -0400
> From: Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com>
> To: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 Panadapter
> Message-ID: <00d8fd15-19c1-270d-608e-201ea2e42f3a at embarqmail.com>
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>
> The main difference between the P3 and PX3 is the input.? The P3 has an
> IF input while the PX3 input must be baseband RX I and Q signals.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 9/18/2018 1:59 PM, George Thornton wrote:
>> I also have worked extensively with the P3.   I find it very helpful.  There is a wealth of knowledge you get from being able to visually see the spectrum you are working.
>>
>> That being said, some of the advantages of the P3 come from its close integration with the K3.  I would believe that close integration would not be possible with the K2.
>>
>> There are also other panadapter options including the LP-Pan, which will allow you to view the K2's spectrum.   I much prefer the P3 because of the handy controls that allow you to adjust the image, but some of those other options may be less expensive.
>>
>> Think also of where you might go with all this.  The K2 is a wonderful rig and more than adequate for HF work.  If yuou get really serious about this you may, as I did, choose to upgrade to either the K3s or KX3.  The P3 could be used with the K3s but the KX3 has a different, smaller unit.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On Behalf Of Don Wilhelm
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2018 10:13 AM
>> To: Don Schroder <donanddeena at hotmail.com>; elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 Panadapter
>>
>> Don,
>>
>> You can use it with the K3 (the P3 input can be tuned anywhere between 455kHz and 21 MHz).
>> You will have to add an IF output to the K2.  DX Engineering is now selling the Clifton Labs buffer amplifier which can be used for that purpose.
>>
>> I don't know what documentation is being sent with the DX Engineering kit, but if you need it, I can supply the original Clifton Labs document for the K2.
>>
>> 73,
>> Don W3FPR
>>
>> On 9/18/2018 12:53 PM, Don Schroder wrote:
>>> Morning!
>>>
>>> I have a kit K2 s/n 7818 that is about 2/3rds complete. I?m a newbie and this is my first radio. I?ve been  looking at additions for my non-existent ham shack and am curious about the Elecraft P3. Looking at the advertising, I see it is for the K3 & K3s, and other radios.
>>>
>>> Hence, my question. How many of you consider the P3 to be a must have, and can it be used with a K2 transceiver? As a side note, what other optional equipment to the K2 would you consider necessary?
>>>
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From g8kbvdave at googlemail.com  Thu Sep 20 05:19:45 2018
From: g8kbvdave at googlemail.com (Dave B)
Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2018 10:19:45 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] Subject: Re:  KPA1500 - Static IPv4 address
In-Reply-To: <mailman.2424.1537398958.3450.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
References: <mailman.2424.1537398958.3450.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID: <0d7e647a-3f53-8780-abe4-ae47658b9ab8@googlemail.com>

A better way, perhaps...

Leave DHCP enabled in the PA and any other equipment, but make a written
note of the PA's LAN port MAC address.? (And that of any other LAN
connected device you have.)

In your router (or other DHCP providing gadget) look in it's setup for
"address reservation" or similar menu item (or RTFM to find it)

In there you can usually identify all currently connected devices, if
not by name (if the device reports that) but by MAC address, and you can
then tell the router (or whatever) to always assign the same IP address
to that MAC address.

(If the device is not connected, then that IP address is not assigned to
anything else, as it is reserved for that MAC address alone.)

In your PC (whatever type) you can also edit the "hosts file" to assign
a known IP address to a "name", making things even easier.?? Lot's on
the interweb about that.? (On Windows, you will need Admin rights to
write to/save that file, on Mac/Linux you'll need Root privileges, so
take care.?? Make a pre-edit backup, just in case!)

Job done.

I (and many others) do this, for such items as NAS servers, dedicated
special purpose PC's, printers, other servers, Raspbery Pi's (used as
VPN endpoints) IoT and and LAN to Serial port devices. ? It all "just
works" seamlessly.

But, do keep written notes as to what you did, as you will need that
sometime in the future.

Hint!? If you don't want to mess with your ISP's supplied router, there
is nothing whatsoever preventing you from using something like the old
Linksys routers as dedicated "Shack" routers, that you have 100% full
control of.? If at some point your ISP changes, nothing in the shack
needs to change, as that box is just another device on the new router's
LAN side.

Many pre-used domestic routers can be used for this sort of thing, and
just about all commercial SoHo routers too.? Especially those that can
take the WAN side by a network port, not just cable or xDSL.

Lastly, I don't know what Elecraft use for their LAN ports, but if they
are the common Lantronix embedded devices, then Lantronix have a "device
installer" program, that will reach out find and identify the IP address
of all such devices on your LAN.? You'll still need to know the device's
MAC address though.? Find it on their website. (Google will tell you where.)

That's a Windows tool, there are other (somewhat advanced) ways of doing
the same from Linux, I have no knowledge of if that can be done with a Mac.

73.

Dave G0WBX.



On 20/09/18 00:15, elecraft-request at mailman.qth.net wrote:
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA1500 - Static IPv4 address

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From jm416 at optonline.net  Thu Sep 20 20:57:27 2018
From: jm416 at optonline.net (John W2XS)
Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2018 17:57:27 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] Feature request - based on the KX2
Message-ID: <1537491447862-0.post@n2.nabble.com>

The KX2 now allows 4 separate programmable functions when the "PFn" key is
pressed. That would be a nice feature on the K3 for the PF1 and PF2 buttons.
There are many times now when I disconnect the USB cable from the rig as I
have found a large (10 to 20 dB) increase in noise floor on some bands when
the cable is connected. (I have tried a few things to fight the noise floor
increase but no success so far).

73,  John W2XS



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From n6kr at elecraft.com  Thu Sep 20 23:07:01 2018
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2018 20:07:01 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Conditions, shmonditions: DXing anyway
Message-ID: <86CE3E73-48DC-481C-AE82-72F716B06D2E@elecraft.com>

Tonight I heard a very weak CW CQ on 7.007 MHz right around sundown -- LA1MFA (Norway). With the filtering on the K3S dialed down to 100 Hz, 30 Hz audio peaking filter (APF) turned on, and the noise blanker optimized, he was readable. I called and he came right back to me. 

I would normally have tried this at 10 watts first, but something about the tenuous nature of conditions these days had me cranking the power up to 100 W from the get-go. 

Despite requiring "full" power to make this contact, it was a reminder that DX is out there if you tune slowly....

On a related topic, I discovered that as a guy of a certain age, 400 Hz may be a better pitch for copying weak signals than my usual 550 Hz. This could be a well-understood psychoacoustic phenomenon, but it came as a pleasant surprise.

73,
Wayne
N6KR



From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Fri Sep 21 01:59:56 2018
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2018 22:59:56 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Conditions, shmonditions: DXing anyway
In-Reply-To: <86CE3E73-48DC-481C-AE82-72F716B06D2E@elecraft.com>
References: <86CE3E73-48DC-481C-AE82-72F716B06D2E@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <cbbb07d7-9382-0061-65da-6ffd69b41fd6@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On 9/20/2018 8:07 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
> On a related topic, I discovered that as a guy of a certain age, 400 Hz may be a better pitch for copying weak signals than my usual 550 Hz. This could be a well-understood psychoacoustic phenomenon, but it came as a pleasant surprise.

The science behind this is that 1) human hearing is logarithmic, so our 
ear/brain hears greater difference between signals at lower frequencies 
(because the same difference in Hz is a greater percentage difference); 
and 2) most (but not all) hearing loss is greater at higher frequencies.

BTW -- for those who don't know, psychoacoustics is the science of how 
humans perceive sound. It includes speech intelligibility, how we hear 
music, the effects of noise, echoes, and reverberation, how we perceive 
directionality of a sound source, and so on.

73, Jim K9YC


From d.cutter at ntlworld.com  Fri Sep 21 03:22:10 2018
From: d.cutter at ntlworld.com (David Cutter)
Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2018 08:22:10 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] Conditions, shmonditions: DXing anyway
In-Reply-To: <86CE3E73-48DC-481C-AE82-72F716B06D2E@elecraft.com>
References: <86CE3E73-48DC-481C-AE82-72F716B06D2E@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <011901d4517b$d03ec970$70bc5c50$@ntlworld.com>

On a related tack, I am often surprised at how high the radio volume has
become in the club shack.  On turning it down, it is quite a relief on the
ears and yet perception of the signal we are listening to improves.  It is
also significant that a separate loudspeaker on a shelf being more in line
with our ears provides significant improvement in our ability to "hear" the
station.  Louder is not better.

David G3UNA 

-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net
[mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Wayne Burdick
Sent: 21 September 2018 04:07
To: Elecraft Reflector
Subject: [Elecraft] Conditions, shmonditions: DXing anyway

Tonight I heard a very weak CW CQ on 7.007 MHz right around sundown --
LA1MFA (Norway). With the filtering on the K3S dialed down to 100 Hz, 30 Hz
audio peaking filter (APF) turned on, and the noise blanker optimized, he
was readable. I called and he came right back to me. 

I would normally have tried this at 10 watts first, but something about the
tenuous nature of conditions these days had me cranking the power up to 100
W from the get-go. 

Despite requiring "full" power to make this contact, it was a reminder that
DX is out there if you tune slowly....

On a related topic, I discovered that as a guy of a certain age, 400 Hz may
be a better pitch for copying weak signals than my usual 550 Hz. This could
be a well-understood psychoacoustic phenomenon, but it came as a pleasant
surprise.

73,
Wayne
N6KR


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From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Fri Sep 21 04:03:53 2018
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2018 01:03:53 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Conditions, shmonditions: DXing anyway
In-Reply-To: <011901d4517b$d03ec970$70bc5c50$@ntlworld.com>
References: <86CE3E73-48DC-481C-AE82-72F716B06D2E@elecraft.com>
	<011901d4517b$d03ec970$70bc5c50$@ntlworld.com>
Message-ID: <02bf9dd6-8b27-3193-321c-2b55d9ec3dad@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On 9/21/2018 12:22 AM, David Cutter via Elecraft wrote:
> On a related tack, I am often surprised at how high the radio volume has
> become in the club shack. On turning it down, it is quite a relief on the
> ears and yet perception of the signal we are listening to improves.
Two possible reasons. First, if a radio has a relatively low power audio 
output stage, higher sound levels are more likely to drive it into 
distortion. Loudspeakers, especially cheaper ones, also distort more at 
higher power levels.? Second, reverberation and echoes are "noise" as 
far as speech intelligibility is concerned; while that IS a linear 
ratio, human hearing is not, so reducing the level may bring those 
echoes/reverb down to a level where it is less perceived.
>   It is also significant that a separate loudspeaker on a shelf being more in line with our ears provides significant improvement in our ability to "hear" the station.

Exactly right, and that is ENTIRELY the result of 1) loudspeaker 
directivity -- lows are more omni-directional from nearly all 
loudspeakers, while the highs becomes increasing directional. [This is 
due to wavelength of the sounds as compared to the size of the 
loudspeaker diaphragm.] When we and the loudspeaker are facing each 
other, we're getting both highs and lows. When the speaker is turned 
away from you,? we hear the lows but not the highs, AND those highs 
spray to whatever surface they face, and bounce around to create echoes.

2) The higher speech? frequencies are most responsible for speech 
intelligibility, lows provide almost none.

>   Louder is not better.

Louder is only one part it.

73, Jim K9YC


From indians at xsmail.com  Fri Sep 21 06:47:06 2018
From: indians at xsmail.com (Petr, OK1RP/M0SIS)
Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2018 03:47:06 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] Conditions, shmonditions: DXing anyway
In-Reply-To: <86CE3E73-48DC-481C-AE82-72F716B06D2E@elecraft.com>
References: <86CE3E73-48DC-481C-AE82-72F716B06D2E@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <1537526826395-0.post@n2.nabble.com>

Hi Wayne,

thanks for nice example. Definitely agree. 

I am using the pitch set to 360Hz for long time and it is the best result
for myself... after long time testing and experimenting with my K3.

The 250Hz roofing with the "filtering on the K3 dialed down to 100-150Hz and
30Hz audio peaking filter (APF) turned on as same as the noise blanker
optimized" is the standard setup which I am using for daily operation on CW
and it is famous for DX hunting as same as for rag-chews.

The only think I have on K3 f/w if it is possible to implement the
"automatic fine tuning 1Hz rate" while the APF is on as it is already in
KX3. 

Thanks for all of the nice CW features on your machines Wayne!




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From ae0mm at protonmail.com  Fri Sep 21 10:41:38 2018
From: ae0mm at protonmail.com (AE0MM)
Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2018 14:41:38 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 slug-tuned inductors
Message-ID: <hknx2b0Z9n1e72_I4wCFDVkdbSjvP4xR3kmgTqUBT-6r5JvUGyTEjNrv2Z0QzyeVB-5RsDzEPSNch4XEx-5ISdRRUO6VdgPPsOtGvU8Y31Q=@protonmail.com>

The green plastic tuning tool is too wide to fit in the slot of the narrow slot slug-tuned inductors. Is it safe to use a screwdriver on the small slot 1?H inductors?

Thanks,
--mark/ae0mm

From indians at xsmail.com  Fri Sep 21 11:01:41 2018
From: indians at xsmail.com (Petr, OK1RP/M0SIS)
Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2018 08:01:41 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 : Rack Mount Option?
In-Reply-To: <d07.fdc71e0.3388e523@aol.com>
References: <003c01c79efb$163b3f70$0a00a8c0@wolfpack1>
	<d07.fdc71e0.3388e523@aol.com>
Message-ID: <1537542101408-0.post@n2.nabble.com>

Hi,

anything changed from 2007 already? :)

I am looking for 19' rack mount option for KPA500, KAT500, W2 as same as PSU
and antennas multi-switch etc...

Thanks for info.





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From bobdehaney at gmx.net  Fri Sep 21 11:10:55 2018
From: bobdehaney at gmx.net (Bob DeHaney)
Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2018 17:10:55 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] The List
Message-ID: <001101d451bd$4d322df0$e79689d0$@gmx.net>

That's twice in two days that someone has included the entire list in their
reply.   

 

Vy 73 de Bob DJ0RD/WU5T


From kevin at ve3syb.ca  Fri Sep 21 11:22:56 2018
From: kevin at ve3syb.ca (Kevin Cozens)
Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2018 11:22:56 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 slug-tuned inductors
In-Reply-To: <hknx2b0Z9n1e72_I4wCFDVkdbSjvP4xR3kmgTqUBT-6r5JvUGyTEjNrv2Z0QzyeVB-5RsDzEPSNch4XEx-5ISdRRUO6VdgPPsOtGvU8Y31Q=@protonmail.com>
References: <hknx2b0Z9n1e72_I4wCFDVkdbSjvP4xR3kmgTqUBT-6r5JvUGyTEjNrv2Z0QzyeVB-5RsDzEPSNch4XEx-5ISdRRUO6VdgPPsOtGvU8Y31Q=@protonmail.com>
Message-ID: <aa388ae3-e547-c020-aefb-6df5742c3421@ve3syb.ca>

On 2018-09-21 10:41 AM, AE0MM via Elecraft wrote:
> The green plastic tuning tool is too wide to fit in the slot of the
> narrow slot slug-tuned inductors. Is it safe to use a screwdriver on the
> small slot 1?H inductors?

I'm assuming the screwdriver would be a metal one. It would let you turn the 
slug but you would have to use it with care as it could damage the top of 
the slug. Also the metal screwdriver can affect the inductance of the 
inductor and throw off the adjustment.

Your safest option is to shave a little off each side of the plastic tuning 
tool to make it fit. You shouldn't need to shave much off it to make it fit.

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From pubx1 at af2z.net  Fri Sep 21 11:50:42 2018
From: pubx1 at af2z.net (Drew AF2Z)
Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2018 11:50:42 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Conditions, shmonditions: DXing anyway
In-Reply-To: <86CE3E73-48DC-481C-AE82-72F716B06D2E@elecraft.com>
References: <86CE3E73-48DC-481C-AE82-72F716B06D2E@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <1073b562-c1a4-44d2-5982-64624c19351d@af2z.net>

I generally use 440 Hz for sidetone/pitch, thinking that it is a 
familiar standard musical note and perhaps is more recognizable to the 
brain in some way. I don't know if that has any validity or not...

One thing I would dearly like to have is the ability to listen to the 
actual signal as I am changing PITCH. Unfortunately, as it is now, when 
PITCH is turned on the received signals are covered by the steady tone. 
That makes it not very easy to find the optimum pitch for a signal under 
current conditions.

73,
Drew
AF2Z



On 09/20/18 23:07, Wayne Burdick wrote:
> Tonight I heard a very weak CW CQ on 7.007 MHz right around sundown -- LA1MFA (Norway). With the filtering on the K3S dialed down to 100 Hz, 30 Hz audio peaking filter (APF) turned on, and the noise blanker optimized, he was readable. I called and he came right back to me.
> 
> I would normally have tried this at 10 watts first, but something about the tenuous nature of conditions these days had me cranking the power up to 100 W from the get-go.
> 
> Despite requiring "full" power to make this contact, it was a reminder that DX is out there if you tune slowly....
> 
> On a related topic, I discovered that as a guy of a certain age, 400 Hz may be a better pitch for copying weak signals than my usual 550 Hz. This could be a well-understood psychoacoustic phenomenon, but it came as a pleasant surprise.
> 
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR
> 
> 
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From k3ndm at comcast.net  Fri Sep 21 11:50:54 2018
From: k3ndm at comcast.net (Barry)
Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2018 11:50:54 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Conditions, shmonditions: DXing anyway
In-Reply-To: <86CE3E73-48DC-481C-AE82-72F716B06D2E@elecraft.com>
References: <86CE3E73-48DC-481C-AE82-72F716B06D2E@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <72E3C496-28E5-49B9-B9CB-35640028DE12@comcast.net>

Wayne,
     Nice going! What were you using for an antenna?

73,
Barry
K3NDM 

On September 20, 2018 11:07:01 PM EDT, Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com> wrote:
>Tonight I heard a very weak CW CQ on 7.007 MHz right around sundown --
>LA1MFA (Norway). With the filtering on the K3S dialed down to 100 Hz,
>30 Hz audio peaking filter (APF) turned on, and the noise blanker
>optimized, he was readable. I called and he came right back to me. 
>
>I would normally have tried this at 10 watts first, but something about
>the tenuous nature of conditions these days had me cranking the power
>up to 100 W from the get-go. 
>
>Despite requiring "full" power to make this contact, it was a reminder
>that DX is out there if you tune slowly....
>
>On a related topic, I discovered that as a guy of a certain age, 400 Hz
>may be a better pitch for copying weak signals than my usual 550 Hz.
>This could be a well-understood psychoacoustic phenomenon, but it came
>as a pleasant surprise.
>
>73,
>Wayne
>N6KR
>
>
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From ae0mm at protonmail.com  Fri Sep 21 12:06:58 2018
From: ae0mm at protonmail.com (AE0MM)
Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2018 16:06:58 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 slug-tuned inductors
In-Reply-To: <aa388ae3-e547-c020-aefb-6df5742c3421@ve3syb.ca>
References: <hknx2b0Z9n1e72_I4wCFDVkdbSjvP4xR3kmgTqUBT-6r5JvUGyTEjNrv2Z0QzyeVB-5RsDzEPSNch4XEx-5ISdRRUO6VdgPPsOtGvU8Y31Q=@protonmail.com>
	<aa388ae3-e547-c020-aefb-6df5742c3421@ve3syb.ca>
Message-ID: <2tKRs04lKLWFt2_ImmY0Cwp2r4EWhX0bJjQ_3QOuveJAOOv9Nrtbz8LnZavQs4lP-s-IIGxWC8Jdm5vAq_Yfmu4hQlfz2v28czfWWJTKqIY=@protonmail.com>

Ended up using scissors to trim a plastic toothpick into a slug-tuned inductor adjustment tool.


--mark/ae0mm

??????? Original Message ???????
On Friday, September 21, 2018 10:22 AM, Kevin Cozens <kevin at ve3syb.ca> wrote:

> On 2018-09-21 10:41 AM, AE0MM via Elecraft wrote:
>
> > The green plastic tuning tool is too wide to fit in the slot of the
> > narrow slot slug-tuned inductors. Is it safe to use a screwdriver on the
> > small slot 1?H inductors?
>
> I'm assuming the screwdriver would be a metal one. It would let you turn the
> slug but you would have to use it with care as it could damage the top of
> the slug. Also the metal screwdriver can affect the inductance of the
> inductor and throw off the adjustment.
>
> Your safest option is to shave a little off each side of the plastic tuning
> tool to make it fit. You shouldn't need to shave much off it to make it fit.
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Cheers!
>
> Kevin.
>
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From kf7gc at yahoo.com  Fri Sep 21 12:16:23 2018
From: kf7gc at yahoo.com (Tomy Ivan)
Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2018 16:16:23 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] FS KXPA100 AMP
References: <1876569755.387764.1537546583981.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1876569755.387764.1537546583981@mail.yahoo.com>

?Amp is in great condition, and works very nicely. Includes all the cables for KX3, computer, and the manual. 5 watts in 100 watts out.
?No Tuner.? $618. Plus? shipping to conusa. PayPal preferred.?Pics on request.

73! Tomy KF7GC
AZ STM, A1-Operator
NM AZ Section Net,
ORS,?www.atenaz.net

From kf7gc at yahoo.com  Fri Sep 21 12:20:02 2018
From: kf7gc at yahoo.com (Tomy Ivan)
Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2018 16:20:02 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] FOR SALE K2-100
References: <828095679.399373.1537546802594.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <828095679.399373.1537546802594@mail.yahoo.com>

I have a very nice K2 serial number 57xx with the following:
KAT2 Auto Tuner
KDSP2 Internal DSP Filter and real -Time Clock
K160RX 160 meter module with receive Antenna Switch
KSB2 SSB Adapter
KPA100 100 Watt Amp and RS-232 I/O (K2/100)
K2 set up for and includes the Kenwood Hand Mic.
Upgraded VFO knob!
KAT100 External auto tuner in the EC2 large Enclosure 
I have also the noise Blanker kit not built.
Has been serviced by Don w3fpr!
All the Manuals and cables. Pics on request!
All working nicely! $1175.00 Packed, Insured and Shipped CONUSA
73! Tomy KF7GC
AZ STM, A1-Operator
NM AZ Section Net,
ORS,?www.atenaz.net

From kf7gc at yahoo.com  Fri Sep 21 12:23:02 2018
From: kf7gc at yahoo.com (Tomy Ivan)
Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2018 16:23:02 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] FS KX2
References: <1392376614.380049.1537546982750.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1392376614.380049.1537546982750@mail.yahoo.com>

I have a nicely loaded KX2 a little over a year oldin like new condition. Not used that much.
Contact me off line for pics and pricekf7gc at yahoo.com?

73! Tomy KF7GC
AZ STM, A1-Operator
NM AZ Section Net,
ORS,?www.atenaz.net

From radioham at mchsi.com  Fri Sep 21 12:28:54 2018
From: radioham at mchsi.com (David Christ)
Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2018 11:28:54 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 : Rack Mount Option?
References: <003c01c79efb$163b3f70$0a00a8c0@wolfpack1>
	<d07.fdc71e0.3388e523@aol.com> 
Message-ID: <D206B79F-FAC1-4CB5-B67F-8B9A9628D138@mchsi.com>

I have my KAT500 and KPA500 in a rack.  I do it with shelves that mount in the rack.  Does not give it a military or commercial appearance but is as effective as having a rack mount option.  I actually like it better because I can slide a unit partly out or rotate it for access if needed.  I do this for printers, CRTs, computers et al.  


David K0LUM

> On Sep 21, 2018, at 10:01 AM, Petr, OK1RP/M0SIS <indians at xsmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> anything changed from 2007 already? :)
> 
> I am looking for 19' rack mount option for KPA500, KAT500, W2 as same as PSU
> and antennas multi-switch etc...
> 
> Thanks for info.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----
> 73 - Petr, OK1RP 
> "Apple & Elecraft freak" 
> B:http://ok1rp.blogspot.com
> G+:http://goo.gl/w3u2s9
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From jimk0xu at gmail.com  Fri Sep 21 12:34:00 2018
From: jimk0xu at gmail.com (Jim Rhodes)
Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2018 11:34:00 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 : Rack Mount Option?
In-Reply-To: <1537542101408-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <003c01c79efb$163b3f70$0a00a8c0@wolfpack1>
	<d07.fdc71e0.3388e523@aol.com> <1537542101408-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <CALhxr4ZLZZDvP8YpajhWcru-o-RDrE1Ef+yVE-HOU_KUcfTgmQ@mail.gmail.com>

Novexcomm.com is all that I have seen. Looks like good stuff, but I haven't
ordered yet.


Jim Rhodes
K0XU

On Fri, Sep 21, 2018, 10:02 Petr, OK1RP/M0SIS <indians at xsmail.com> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> anything changed from 2007 already? :)
>
> I am looking for 19' rack mount option for KPA500, KAT500, W2 as same as
> PSU
> and antennas multi-switch etc...
>
> Thanks for info.
>
>
>
>
>
> -----
> 73 - Petr, OK1RP
> "Apple & Elecraft freak"
> B:http://ok1rp.blogspot.com
> G+:http://goo.gl/w3u2s9
> G+: http://goo.gl/gP99xq
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From kd2bd at yahoo.com  Fri Sep 21 12:56:38 2018
From: kd2bd at yahoo.com (John Magliacane)
Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2018 16:56:38 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] Conditions, shmonditions: DXing anyway
References: <664385053.440334.1537548998278.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <664385053.440334.1537548998278@mail.yahoo.com>

On Fri, 9/21/18, Drew AF2Z <pubx1 at af2z.net> wrote:

> I generally use 440 Hz for sidetone/pitch, thinking that it is a familiar standard musical note and perhaps is more recognizable to the
> brain in some way.  I don't know if that has any validity or not...

I've been using a sidetone pitch of 800 Hz on my K2/100 for years, but more recently thought I might prefer something a bit lower.

Running alongside a Drake R4C receiver, I've been experimenting with a homebrew CW transmitter over the past month that includes a sidetone oscillator.  I adjusted the pitch of the sidetone for something that "sounded about right" to my ears and left it at that.

Last weekend I decided to measure the frequency of the sidetone and found it was within 1 Hz of 800!

I suppose I've been listening to CW at 800 Hz for so long, I just committed the pitch it to memory.  :-)


73 de John, KD2BD

From w6fvi at sbcglobal.net  Fri Sep 21 13:16:21 2018
From: w6fvi at sbcglobal.net (Brian & Cyndi)
Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2018 10:16:21 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 : Rack Mount Option?
In-Reply-To: <1537542101408-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <003c01c79efb$163b3f70$0a00a8c0@wolfpack1>
	<d07.fdc71e0.3388e523@aol.com> <1537542101408-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <c5186bf3-95ba-3b0a-3d9e-de492be435ce@sbcglobal.net>

One of Elecraft's vendors that does the heatsinks, SNS Engineering, 
makes a complete line of rack panels that will do exactly as you want. 
Matching black color, handles, strong and well made.

Call then at (831) 345-4590. I would attach a brochure, but this 
reflector doesn't pass them along.

Brian, W6FVI

On 9/21/2018 8:01 AM, Petr, OK1RP/M0SIS wrote:
> Hi,
>
> anything changed from 2007 already? :)
>
> I am looking for 19' rack mount option for KPA500, KAT500, W2 as same as PSU
> and antennas multi-switch etc...
>
> Thanks for info.
>
>
>
>
>
> -----
> 73 - Petr, OK1RP
> "Apple & Elecraft freak"
> B:http://ok1rp.blogspot.com
> G+:http://goo.gl/w3u2s9
> G+: http://goo.gl/gP99xq
> --
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From k6dgw at foothill.net  Fri Sep 21 13:17:09 2018
From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen)
Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2018 10:17:09 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Conditions, shmonditions: DXing anyway
In-Reply-To: <02bf9dd6-8b27-3193-321c-2b55d9ec3dad@audiosystemsgroup.com>
References: <86CE3E73-48DC-481C-AE82-72F716B06D2E@elecraft.com>
	<011901d4517b$d03ec970$70bc5c50$@ntlworld.com>
	<02bf9dd6-8b27-3193-321c-2b55d9ec3dad@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Message-ID: <c9248ab3-126d-8070-0f28-38587b6f0303@foothill.net>

This probably is related to the commercial CW operators trick of laying 
the phones down on the desk to copy a weak ship station through noise.? 
It really does work. Unfortunately, today's over-the-ear headphones tend 
to stick together rather than laying flat on the desk as the old "cans" 
did, but it still works.? Tailoring the K3 RX equalizer for your ears 
and headphones/speaker is well worth some time and effort too, even on 
CW with narrow bandwidths.? You just have to go slowly and evaluate each 
setting before changing anything.

In SE Asia in the mid 60's, we used 11.5 KVA 400 Hz turbine generators.? 
The primary reason was weight.? A 10 KVA? 60 Hz diesel MB-5 was 
trailer-mounted and weighed about 3,500 lbs [1,600 kg].? Two troops 
could carry the turbine units, and of course, the 400 Hz power supplies 
were correspondingly lighter too.? A side benefit was that the high 
frequency whine of the turbines, running at around 9,000 RPM, was very 
easy to muffle with a few sandbags [generators were small].? The low 
frequency rumble from the 60 Hz generators was essentially impossible to 
suppress.

High frequencies seem to come forward, straight off a speaker and with 
compromised hearing, I lose intelligibility if I move off to the side.? 
If I am having a hard time understanding you, speaking louder won't help 
much, speaking directly at me usually will.

73,

Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

On 9/21/2018 1:03 AM, Jim Brown wrote:
> On 9/21/2018 12:22 AM, David Cutter via Elecraft wrote:
>> On a related tack, I am often surprised at how high the radio volume has
>> become in the club shack. On turning it down, it is quite a relief on 
>> the
>> ears and yet perception of the signal we are listening to improves.
> Two possible reasons. First, if a radio has a relatively low power 
> audio output stage, higher sound levels are more likely to drive it 
> into distortion. Loudspeakers, especially cheaper ones, also distort 
> more at higher power levels.? Second, reverberation and echoes are 
> "noise" as far as speech intelligibility is concerned; while that IS a 
> linear ratio, human hearing is not, so reducing the level may bring 
> those echoes/reverb down to a level where it is less perceived.
>> ? It is also significant that a separate loudspeaker on a shelf being 
>> more in line with our ears provides significant improvement in our 
>> ability to "hear" the station.
>
> Exactly right, and that is ENTIRELY the result of 1) loudspeaker 
> directivity -- lows are more omni-directional from nearly all 
> loudspeakers, while the highs becomes increasing directional. [This is 
> due to wavelength of the sounds as compared to the size of the 
> loudspeaker diaphragm.] When we and the loudspeaker are facing each 
> other, we're getting both highs and lows. When the speaker is turned 
> away from you,? we hear the lows but not the highs, AND those highs 
> spray to whatever surface they face, and bounce around to create echoes.
>
> 2) The higher speech? frequencies are most responsible for speech 
> intelligibility, lows provide almost none.
>
>> ? Louder is not better.
>
> Louder is only one part it.
>
> 73, Jim K9YC


From n6kr at elecraft.com  Fri Sep 21 13:18:59 2018
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2018 10:18:59 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Conditions, shmonditions: DXing anyway
In-Reply-To: <72E3C496-28E5-49B9-B9CB-35640028DE12@comcast.net>
References: <86CE3E73-48DC-481C-AE82-72F716B06D2E@elecraft.com>
	<72E3C496-28E5-49B9-B9CB-35640028DE12@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <F6800FA0-464A-43AF-BC9B-3D76CEA945BE@elecraft.com>

90 foot off-center-fed dipole with the apex at about 25 feet. One end slopes to 15' high gazebo roof, the other immediately gets tangled up in a large oak tree.

Could be worse, but not much :)

Wayne
N6KR



> On Sep 21, 2018, at 8:50 AM, Barry <k3ndm at comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> Wayne,
> Nice going! What were you using for an antenna?
> 
> 73,
> Barry
> K3NDM 
> 
> On September 20, 2018 11:07:01 PM EDT, Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com> wrote:
> Tonight I heard a very weak CW CQ on 7.007 MHz right around sundown -- LA1MFA (Norway). With the filtering on the K3S dialed down to 100 Hz, 30 Hz audio peaking filter (APF) turned on, and the noise blanker optimized, he was readable. I called and he came right back to me. 
> 
> I would normally have tried this at 10 watts first, but something about the tenuous nature of conditions these days had me cranking the power up to 100 W from the get-go. 
> 
> Despite requiring "full" power to make this contact, it was a reminder that DX is out there if you tune slowly....
> 
> On a related topic, I discovered that as a guy of a certain age, 400 Hz may be a better pitch for copying weak signals than my usual 550 Hz. This could be a well-understood psychoacoustic phenomenon, but it came as a pleasant surprise.
> 
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR





From k3ndm at comcast.net  Fri Sep 21 13:31:00 2018
From: k3ndm at comcast.net (Barry)
Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2018 17:31:00 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Conditions, shmonditions: DXing anyway
In-Reply-To: <c9248ab3-126d-8070-0f28-38587b6f0303@foothill.net>
References: <86CE3E73-48DC-481C-AE82-72F716B06D2E@elecraft.com>
	<011901d4517b$d03ec970$70bc5c50$@ntlworld.com>
	<02bf9dd6-8b27-3193-321c-2b55d9ec3dad@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<c9248ab3-126d-8070-0f28-38587b6f0303@foothill.net>
Message-ID: <emef4c9f92-edc8-4b7e-b5e5-84187bbf035d@laptop3>

Wayne,
     Thanks. You are doing what I've advocated for a long time, don't get 
fancy just put up some wire and it will work. I hope new hams take note 
of what you are doing. :-)

73,
Barry
K3NDM

------ Original Message ------
From: "Fred Jensen" <k6dgw at foothill.net>
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Sent: 9/21/2018 1:17:09 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Conditions, shmonditions: DXing anyway

>This probably is related to the commercial CW operators trick of laying 
>the phones down on the desk to copy a weak ship station through noise.  
>It really does work. Unfortunately, today's over-the-ear headphones 
>tend to stick together rather than laying flat on the desk as the old 
>"cans" did, but it still works.  Tailoring the K3 RX equalizer for your 
>ears and headphones/speaker is well worth some time and effort too, 
>even on CW with narrow bandwidths.  You just have to go slowly and 
>evaluate each setting before changing anything.
>
>In SE Asia in the mid 60's, we used 11.5 KVA 400 Hz turbine generators. 
>  The primary reason was weight.  A 10 KVA  60 Hz diesel MB-5 was 
>trailer-mounted and weighed about 3,500 lbs [1,600 kg].  Two troops 
>could carry the turbine units, and of course, the 400 Hz power supplies 
>were correspondingly lighter too.  A side benefit was that the high 
>frequency whine of the turbines, running at around 9,000 RPM, was very 
>easy to muffle with a few sandbags [generators were small].  The low 
>frequency rumble from the 60 Hz generators was essentially impossible 
>to suppress.
>
>High frequencies seem to come forward, straight off a speaker and with 
>compromised hearing, I lose intelligibility if I move off to the side.  
>If I am having a hard time understanding you, speaking louder won't 
>help much, speaking directly at me usually will.
>
>73,
>
>Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
>Sparks NV DM09dn
>Washoe County
>
>On 9/21/2018 1:03 AM, Jim Brown wrote:
>>On 9/21/2018 12:22 AM, David Cutter via Elecraft wrote:
>>>On a related tack, I am often surprised at how high the radio volume 
>>>has
>>>become in the club shack. On turning it down, it is quite a relief on 
>>>the
>>>ears and yet perception of the signal we are listening to improves.
>>Two possible reasons. First, if a radio has a relatively low power 
>>audio output stage, higher sound levels are more likely to drive it 
>>into distortion. Loudspeakers, especially cheaper ones, also distort 
>>more at higher power levels.  Second, reverberation and echoes are 
>>"noise" as far as speech intelligibility is concerned; while that IS a 
>>linear ratio, human hearing is not, so reducing the level may bring 
>>those echoes/reverb down to a level where it is less perceived.
>>>   It is also significant that a separate loudspeaker on a shelf being 
>>>more in line with our ears provides significant improvement in our 
>>>ability to "hear" the station.
>>
>>Exactly right, and that is ENTIRELY the result of 1) loudspeaker 
>>directivity -- lows are more omni-directional from nearly all 
>>loudspeakers, while the highs becomes increasing directional. [This is 
>>due to wavelength of the sounds as compared to the size of the 
>>loudspeaker diaphragm.] When we and the loudspeaker are facing each 
>>other, we're getting both highs and lows. When the speaker is turned 
>>away from you,  we hear the lows but not the highs, AND those highs 
>>spray to whatever surface they face, and bounce around to create 
>>echoes.
>>
>>2) The higher speech  frequencies are most responsible for speech 
>>intelligibility, lows provide almost none.
>>
>>>   Louder is not better.
>>
>>Louder is only one part it.
>>
>>73, Jim K9YC
>
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From tomb18 at videotron.ca  Fri Sep 21 13:46:30 2018
From: tomb18 at videotron.ca (Tom)
Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2018 13:46:30 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft]  New release of Win4K3Suite - Spectral display of spots,
	audio oscilloscope and audio spectrum.
Message-ID: <385B3FFE098C4488BFD8BDA826DCCD5D@DESKTOPAV61F2H>

Hello,
There is a new release of Win4K43Suite with significant upgrades.  This release adds an often asked for feature:  Display of call signs in the spectrum. This release also now includes an audio oscilloscope and audio spectrum display. This can be used to monitor audio to and from your radio.  Here is a link to a screen shot:
https://va2fsq.com/new-in-win4k3suite-1-940/

Win4K3Suite is a comprehensive radio control program for the K3, KX3, and KX2 supporting all options including the KPA1500.  It provides 6 virtual radios that can be used to simultaneously run additional software and hardware, as well as a HRD Logbook server.
You can see it in action here: https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=win4k3suite
Plenty of reviews here: https://www.eham.net/reviews/detail/11214
There is a free 30 day trial at https://va2fsq.com/purchase/
73 Tom
va2fsq.com

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From kf7gc at yahoo.com  Fri Sep 21 14:44:13 2018
From: kf7gc at yahoo.com (Tomy Ivan)
Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2018 18:44:13 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] FS KX2
References: <875122861.492641.1537555453835.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <875122861.492641.1537555453835@mail.yahoo.com>

The KX2 package is SOLD!?

73! Tomy KF7GC
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NM AZ Section Net,
ORS,?www.atenaz.net

From c-hawley at illinois.edu  Fri Sep 21 17:00:00 2018
From: c-hawley at illinois.edu (hawley, charles j jr)
Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2018 21:00:00 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 slug-tuned inductors
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I would get a new wand or file one down.
Some of those things get difficult to turn and the screwdriver breaks the core. Is there anyway to loosen them up before they break?

Chuck Hawley
 c-hawley at illinois.edu

 Amateur Radio, KE9UW
 aka Jack, BMW Motorcycles
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To: Elecraft Reflector
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 slug-tuned inductors

The green plastic tuning tool is too wide to fit in the slot of the narrow slot slug-tuned inductors. Is it safe to use a screwdriver on the small slot 1?H inductors?

Thanks,
--mark/ae0mm
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From n7xy at n7xy.net  Fri Sep 21 17:27:33 2018
From: n7xy at n7xy.net (Bob Nielsen - N7XY)
Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2018 14:27:33 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Conditions, shmonditions: DXing anyway
In-Reply-To: <86CE3E73-48DC-481C-AE82-72F716B06D2E@elecraft.com>
References: <86CE3E73-48DC-481C-AE82-72F716B06D2E@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <7d082804-091c-d8ac-3477-16c1b75050eb@n7xy.net>

I'm probably a bit psycho at times and studied acoustics in college over 
50 years ago.? Now I need to figure out how to combine the two.

73, Bob N7XY


On 9/20/18 8:07 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
> On a related topic, I discovered that as a guy of a certain age, 400 Hz may be a better pitch for copying weak signals than my usual 550 Hz. This could be a well-understood psychoacoustic phenomenon, but it came as a pleasant surprise.
>


From KY5G at montac.com  Fri Sep 21 17:36:14 2018
From: KY5G at montac.com (Clay Autery)
Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2018 16:36:14 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 : Rack Mount Option?
In-Reply-To: <CALhxr4ZLZZDvP8YpajhWcru-o-RDrE1Ef+yVE-HOU_KUcfTgmQ@mail.gmail.com>
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I haven't measured lately...? Is a K3/P3 width too wide for a single 19" 3U rack unit?


Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
-------- Original message --------From: Jim Rhodes <jimk0xu at gmail.com> Date: 9/21/18  11:34  (GMT-06:00) To: "Petr, OK1RP/M0SIS" <indians at xsmail.com> Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 : Rack Mount Option? 
Novexcomm.com is all that I have seen. Looks like good stuff, but I haven't
ordered yet.


Jim Rhodes
K0XU

On Fri, Sep 21, 2018, 10:02 Petr, OK1RP/M0SIS <indians at xsmail.com> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> anything changed from 2007 already? :)
>
> I am looking for 19' rack mount option for KPA500, KAT500, W2 as same as
> PSU
> and antennas multi-switch etc...
>
> Thanks for info.
>
>
>
>
>
> -----
> 73 - Petr, OK1RP
> "Apple & Elecraft freak"
> B:http://ok1rp.blogspot.com
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From n7xy at n7xy.net  Fri Sep 21 17:39:10 2018
From: n7xy at n7xy.net (Bob Nielsen - N7XY)
Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2018 14:39:10 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 slug-tuned inductors
In-Reply-To: <hknx2b0Z9n1e72_I4wCFDVkdbSjvP4xR3kmgTqUBT-6r5JvUGyTEjNrv2Z0QzyeVB-5RsDzEPSNch4XEx-5ISdRRUO6VdgPPsOtGvU8Y31Q=@protonmail.com>
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A metal screwdriver might affect the inductance.? There are several 
inexpensive tuning tools made with a plastic handle and a small thin 
metal blade, for example:

https://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/bourns-inc/H-90/H90-ND/262571

I used a similar tool when I built my K2.

Bob, N7XY

On 9/21/18 7:41 AM, AE0MM via Elecraft wrote:
> The green plastic tuning tool is too wide to fit in the slot of the narrow slot slug-tuned inductors. Is it safe to use a screwdriver on the small slot 1?H inductors?
>
> Thanks,
> --mark/ae0mm
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From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Fri Sep 21 17:45:20 2018
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2018 16:45:20 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 : Rack Mount Option?
In-Reply-To: <20180921213719.2884F149B2C5@mailman.qth.net>
References: <20180921213719.2884F149B2C5@mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID: <d8a03ce0-a6f9-e6aa-71f1-2940f4c21dc9@blomand.net>

Based on published numbers, the P3 is 6.1" wide, the K3S is 10.7" 
wide.?? As I recall a 19" rack shelf is 16.75".?? If all is correct, a 
real tight fit, I'd say.

73

Bob, K4TAX


On 9/21/2018 4:36 PM, Clay Autery wrote:
> I haven't measured lately...? Is a K3/P3 width too wide for a single 19" 3U rack unit?
>
>
> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
> -------- Original message --------From: Jim Rhodes <jimk0xu at gmail.com> Date: 9/21/18  11:34  (GMT-06:00) To: "Petr, OK1RP/M0SIS" <indians at xsmail.com> Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 : Rack Mount Option?
> Novexcomm.com is all that I have seen. Looks like good stuff, but I haven't
> ordered yet.
>
>
> Jim Rhodes
> K0XU
>
> On Fri, Sep 21, 2018, 10:02 Petr, OK1RP/M0SIS <indians at xsmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> anything changed from 2007 already? :)
>>
>> I am looking for 19' rack mount option for KPA500, KAT500, W2 as same as
>> PSU
>> and antennas multi-switch etc...
>>
>> Thanks for info.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----
>> 73 - Petr, OK1RP
>> "Apple & Elecraft freak"
>> B:http://ok1rp.blogspot.com
>> G+:http://goo.gl/w3u2s9
>> G+: http://goo.gl/gP99xq
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From n7xy at n7xy.net  Fri Sep 21 17:46:41 2018
From: n7xy at n7xy.net (Bob Nielsen - N7XY)
Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2018 14:46:41 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 : Rack Mount Option?
In-Reply-To: <20180921213628.025DC149B1E5@mailman.qth.net>
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It's about 16.75 inches wide if you remove the handle and feet from the 
sides of the K3


On 9/21/18 2:36 PM, Clay Autery wrote:
> I haven't measured lately...? Is a K3/P3 width too wide for a single 19" 3U rack unit?
>
>
> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
> -------- Original message --------From: Jim Rhodes <jimk0xu at gmail.com> Date: 9/21/18  11:34  (GMT-06:00) To: "Petr, OK1RP/M0SIS" <indians at xsmail.com> Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 : Rack Mount Option?
> Novexcomm.com is all that I have seen. Looks like good stuff, but I haven't
> ordered yet.
>
>
> Jim Rhodes
> K0XU
>
> On Fri, Sep 21, 2018, 10:02 Petr, OK1RP/M0SIS <indians at xsmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> anything changed from 2007 already? :)
>>
>> I am looking for 19' rack mount option for KPA500, KAT500, W2 as same as
>> PSU
>> and antennas multi-switch etc...
>>
>> Thanks for info.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----
>> 73 - Petr, OK1RP
>> "Apple & Elecraft freak"
>> B:http://ok1rp.blogspot.com
>> G+:http://goo.gl/w3u2s9
>> G+: http://goo.gl/gP99xq
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From ardrhi at gmail.com  Fri Sep 21 17:49:43 2018
From: ardrhi at gmail.com (Gwen Patton)
Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2018 17:49:43 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 slug-tuned inductors
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References: <hknx2b0Z9n1e72_I4wCFDVkdbSjvP4xR3kmgTqUBT-6r5JvUGyTEjNrv2Z0QzyeVB-5RsDzEPSNch4XEx-5ISdRRUO6VdgPPsOtGvU8Y31Q=@protonmail.com>
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The last time I had to do this and didn't have a dedicated tool, I took a
Chinese take-out bamboo chopstick and carved it to fit the slug. It's
fairly easy to do and if you mess it up you just cut off that part and try
again. The bamboo is strong but easy to carve, and it's non-magnetic of
course.

On Fri, Sep 21, 2018 at 5:39 PM Bob Nielsen - N7XY <n7xy at n7xy.net> wrote:

> A metal screwdriver might affect the inductance.  There are several
> inexpensive tuning tools made with a plastic handle and a small thin
> metal blade, for example:
>
> https://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/bourns-inc/H-90/H90-ND/262571
>
> I used a similar tool when I built my K2.
>
> Bob, N7XY
>
> On 9/21/18 7:41 AM, AE0MM via Elecraft wrote:
> > The green plastic tuning tool is too wide to fit in the slot of the
> narrow slot slug-tuned inductors. Is it safe to use a screwdriver on the
> small slot 1?H inductors?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > --mark/ae0mm
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From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Fri Sep 21 17:52:05 2018
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2018 17:52:05 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 slug-tuned inductors
In-Reply-To: <276D3D6C9D5C8C4484211E9839FDE1AB4A30B9F0@CITESMBX5.ad.uillinois.edu>
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	<276D3D6C9D5C8C4484211E9839FDE1AB4A30B9F0@CITESMBX5.ad.uillinois.edu>
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Chuck and all,

Those particular inductor cores with the narrow slot are difficult to 
break, and they seldom stick.

Since I adjust them during repairs, I would wear out many tuning tools 
in short time.  I bought a ceramic screwdriver with a 1/8 inch wide 
blade.  I have another with a 5/32 inch wide blade that I use for 
adjusting those new trimmer capacitors in plastic cases.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 9/21/2018 5:00 PM, hawley, charles j jr wrote:
> I would get a new wand or file one down.
> Some of those things get difficult to turn and the screwdriver breaks the core. Is there anyway to loosen them up before they break?

From KY5G at montac.com  Fri Sep 21 18:17:32 2018
From: KY5G at montac.com (Clay Autery)
Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2018 17:17:32 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 : Rack Mount Option?
In-Reply-To: <d8a03ce0-a6f9-e6aa-71f1-2940f4c21dc9@blomand.net>
Message-ID: <mailman.37.1537568262.3447.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>

Thanks...? Looks like the solution is to get a spare K3s right side panel and sib-machine it in a way that it can serve as a common panel for both components....
73,Clay, KY5G


Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
-------- Original message --------From: Bob McGraw K4TAX <rmcgraw at blomand.net> Date: 9/21/18  16:45  (GMT-06:00) To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 : Rack Mount Option? 
Based on published numbers, the P3 is 6.1" wide, the K3S is 10.7" 
wide.?? As I recall a 19" rack shelf is 16.75".?? If all is correct, a 
real tight fit, I'd say.

73

Bob, K4TAX


On 9/21/2018 4:36 PM, Clay Autery wrote:
> I haven't measured lately...? Is a K3/P3 width too wide for a single 19" 3U rack unit?
>
>
> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
> -------- Original message --------From: Jim Rhodes <jimk0xu at gmail.com> Date: 9/21/18? 11:34? (GMT-06:00) To: "Petr, OK1RP/M0SIS" <indians at xsmail.com> Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 : Rack Mount Option?
> Novexcomm.com is all that I have seen. Looks like good stuff, but I haven't
> ordered yet.
>
>
> Jim Rhodes
> K0XU
>
> On Fri, Sep 21, 2018, 10:02 Petr, OK1RP/M0SIS <indians at xsmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> anything changed from 2007 already? :)
>>
>> I am looking for 19' rack mount option for KPA500, KAT500, W2 as same as
>> PSU
>> and antennas multi-switch etc...
>>
>> Thanks for info.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----
>> 73 - Petr, OK1RP
>> "Apple & Elecraft freak"
>> B:http://ok1rp.blogspot.com
>> G+:http://goo.gl/w3u2s9
>> G+: http://goo.gl/gP99xq
>> --
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From KY5G at montac.com  Fri Sep 21 18:20:52 2018
From: KY5G at montac.com (Clay Autery)
Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2018 17:20:52 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 : Rack Mount Option?
In-Reply-To: <e2262e0d-e790-e4f1-457f-192c9157a84d@n7xy.net>
Message-ID: <mailman.38.1537568461.3447.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>

Thanks...? in that case, MIGHT be able to machine for fasteners to join them as a single unit with all external protuberances removed...
The "slick solution would include custom outer panels with integrated mounting "ears".
73,Clay, KY5G


Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
-------- Original message --------From: Bob Nielsen - N7XY <n7xy at n7xy.net> Date: 9/21/18  16:46  (GMT-06:00) To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 : Rack Mount Option? 
It's about 16.75 inches wide if you remove the handle and feet from the 
sides of the K3


On 9/21/18 2:36 PM, Clay Autery wrote:
> I haven't measured lately...? Is a K3/P3 width too wide for a single 19" 3U rack unit?
>
>
> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
> -------- Original message --------From: Jim Rhodes <jimk0xu at gmail.com> Date: 9/21/18? 11:34? (GMT-06:00) To: "Petr, OK1RP/M0SIS" <indians at xsmail.com> Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 : Rack Mount Option?
> Novexcomm.com is all that I have seen. Looks like good stuff, but I haven't
> ordered yet.
>
>
> Jim Rhodes
> K0XU
>
> On Fri, Sep 21, 2018, 10:02 Petr, OK1RP/M0SIS <indians at xsmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> anything changed from 2007 already? :)
>>
>> I am looking for 19' rack mount option for KPA500, KAT500, W2 as same as
>> PSU
>> and antennas multi-switch etc...
>>
>> Thanks for info.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----
>> 73 - Petr, OK1RP
>> "Apple & Elecraft freak"
>> B:http://ok1rp.blogspot.com
>> G+:http://goo.gl/w3u2s9
>> G+: http://goo.gl/gP99xq
>> --
>> Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/
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From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Fri Sep 21 19:49:37 2018
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2018 18:49:37 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 : Rack Mount Option?
In-Reply-To: <20180921221838.00751149B2CA@mailman.qth.net>
References: <20180921221838.00751149B2CA@mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID: <8794727a-7205-bc51-08ac-592cf9eb75c3@blomand.net>

I believe if one removes the feet from the right side of the K3S and the 
handle from the left side, all will work just fine.?? No modifications 
or panels needed.

Mine are sitting side-by-side and with feet and handle in place on my 
K3S, P3 is to the left of the radio, overall width is 17.625".?? Some of 
the rack shelf units I researched show 17" inside dimensions for 
equipment.? I did find one that was 17.750".?? These are fixed shelves 
and not slide out shelves.

Check RackMountMart.com

73

Bob, K4TAX



On 9/21/2018 5:17 PM, Clay Autery wrote:
> Thanks...? Looks like the solution is to get a spare K3s right side panel and sib-machine it in a way that it can serve as a common panel for both components....
> 73,Clay, KY5G
>
>
> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
> -------- Original message --------From: Bob McGraw K4TAX <rmcgraw at blomand.net> Date: 9/21/18  16:45  (GMT-06:00) To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 : Rack Mount Option?
> Based on published numbers, the P3 is 6.1" wide, the K3S is 10.7"
> wide.?? As I recall a 19" rack shelf is 16.75".?? If all is correct, a
> real tight fit, I'd say.
>
> 73
>
> Bob, K4TAX
>
>
> On 9/21/2018 4:36 PM, Clay Autery wrote:
>> I haven't measured lately...? Is a K3/P3 width too wide for a single 19" 3U rack unit?
>>
>>
>> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>> -------- Original message --------From: Jim Rhodes <jimk0xu at gmail.com> Date: 9/21/18? 11:34? (GMT-06:00) To: "Petr, OK1RP/M0SIS" <indians at xsmail.com> Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 : Rack Mount Option?
>> Novexcomm.com is all that I have seen. Looks like good stuff, but I haven't
>> ordered yet.
>>
>>
>> Jim Rhodes
>> K0XU
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 21, 2018, 10:02 Petr, OK1RP/M0SIS <indians at xsmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> anything changed from 2007 already? :)
>>>
>>> I am looking for 19' rack mount option for KPA500, KAT500, W2 as same as
>>> PSU
>>> and antennas multi-switch etc...
>>>
>>> Thanks for info.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----
>>> 73 - Petr, OK1RP
>>> "Apple & Elecraft freak"
>>> B:http://ok1rp.blogspot.com
>>> G+:http://goo.gl/w3u2s9
>>> G+: http://goo.gl/gP99xq
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From lists at subich.com  Fri Sep 21 19:56:47 2018
From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV)
Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2018 19:56:47 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 : Rack Mount Option?
In-Reply-To: <20180921221927.F3787149B1F6@mailman.qth.net>
References: <20180921221927.F3787149B1F6@mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID: <f4de68b0-90b1-4200-99a6-a49c20317ba0@subich.com>





On 2018-09-21 6:17 PM, Clay Autery wrote:
> Thanks...  Looks like the solution is to get a spare K3s right side 
> panel and sib-machine it in a way that it can serve as a common
> panel for both components....
Not likely since the right panel of the K3/K3S and the left panel of
the P3 are both mounted with 3D connectors and screws passing from
the outside of the panel.  In addition, the K3/K3S has regulators
which use the right panel as a heat sink and capturing that inside
the P3 would impact the cooling ability.

73,

    ... Joe, W4TV



From nr4c at widomaker.com  Fri Sep 21 19:57:28 2018
From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c)
Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2018 19:57:28 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 : Rack Mount Option?
In-Reply-To: <8794727a-7205-bc51-08ac-592cf9eb75c3@blomand.net>
References: <20180921221838.00751149B2CA@mailman.qth.net>
	<8794727a-7205-bc51-08ac-592cf9eb75c3@blomand.net>
Message-ID: <3730100D-7FFA-42CD-A192-268F23FCF3AB@widomaker.com>

Fun part is mounting the P3 to the K3. Both side panels screw on from side. No way to share a common panel. 

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill


> On Sep 21, 2018, at 7:49 PM, Bob McGraw K4TAX <rmcgraw at blomand.net> wrote:
> 
> I believe if one removes the feet from the right side of the K3S and the handle from the left side, all will work just fine.   No modifications or panels needed.
> 
> Mine are sitting side-by-side and with feet and handle in place on my K3S, P3 is to the left of the radio, overall width is 17.625".   Some of the rack shelf units I researched show 17" inside dimensions for equipment.  I did find one that was 17.750".   These are fixed shelves and not slide out shelves.
> 
> Check RackMountMart.com
> 
> 73
> 
> Bob, K4TAX
> 
> 
> 
>> On 9/21/2018 5:17 PM, Clay Autery wrote:
>> Thanks...  Looks like the solution is to get a spare K3s right side panel and sib-machine it in a way that it can serve as a common panel for both components....
>> 73,Clay, KY5G
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>> -------- Original message --------From: Bob McGraw K4TAX <rmcgraw at blomand.net> Date: 9/21/18  16:45  (GMT-06:00) To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 : Rack Mount Option?
>> Based on published numbers, the P3 is 6.1" wide, the K3S is 10.7"
>> wide.   As I recall a 19" rack shelf is 16.75".   If all is correct, a
>> real tight fit, I'd say.
>> 
>> 73
>> 
>> Bob, K4TAX
>> 
>> 
>>> On 9/21/2018 4:36 PM, Clay Autery wrote:
>>> I haven't measured lately...  Is a K3/P3 width too wide for a single 19" 3U rack unit?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>>> -------- Original message --------From: Jim Rhodes <jimk0xu at gmail.com> Date: 9/21/18  11:34  (GMT-06:00) To: "Petr, OK1RP/M0SIS" <indians at xsmail.com> Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 : Rack Mount Option?
>>> Novexcomm.com is all that I have seen. Looks like good stuff, but I haven't
>>> ordered yet.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Jim Rhodes
>>> K0XU
>>> 
>>>> On Fri, Sep 21, 2018, 10:02 Petr, OK1RP/M0SIS <indians at xsmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi,
>>>> 
>>>> anything changed from 2007 already? :)
>>>> 
>>>> I am looking for 19' rack mount option for KPA500, KAT500, W2 as same as
>>>> PSU
>>>> and antennas multi-switch etc...
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks for info.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -----
>>>> 73 - Petr, OK1RP
>>>> "Apple & Elecraft freak"
>>>> B:http://ok1rp.blogspot.com
>>>> G+:http://goo.gl/w3u2s9
>>>> G+: http://goo.gl/gP99xq
>>>> --
>>>> Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/
>>>> ____________________I believe if one removes the feet from the right side of the K3S and the 
> handle from the left side, all will work just fine.   No modifications or panels needed.
> 
> Mine are sitting side-by-side and with feet and handle in place on my K3S, P3 is to the left of the radio, overall width is 17.625".   Some of the rack shelf units I researched show 17" inside dimensions for equipment.  I did find one that was 17.750".   These are fixed shelves and not slide out shelves.
> 
> Check RackMountMart.com
> 
> 73
> 
> Bob, K4TAX
> 
> 
> 
>> On 9/21/2018 5:17 PM, Clay Autery wrote:
>> Thanks...  Looks like the solution is to get a spare K3s right side panel and sib-machine it in a way that it can serve as a common panel for both components....
>> 73,Clay, KY5G
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>> -------- Original message --------From: Bob McGraw K4TAX <rmcgraw at blomand.net> Date: 9/21/18  16:45  (GMT-06:00) To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 : Rack Mount Option?
>> Based on published numbers, the P3 is 6.1" wide, the K3S is 10.7"
>> wide.   As I recall a 19" rack shelf is 16.75".   If all is correct, a
>> real tight fit, I'd say.
>> 
>> 73
>> 
>> Bob, K4TAX
>> 
>> 
>>> On 9/21/2018 4:36 PM, Clay Autery wrote:
>>> I haven't measured lately...  Is a K3/P3 width too wide for a single 19" 3U rack unit?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>>> -------- Original message --------From: Jim Rhodes <jimk0xu at gmail.com> Date: 9/21/18  11:34  (GMT-06:00) To: "Petr, OK1RP/M0SIS" <indians at xsmail.com> Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 : Rack Mount Option?
>>> Novexcomm.com is all that I have seen. Looks like good stuff, but I haven't
>>> ordered yet.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Jim Rhodes
>>> K0XU
>>> 
>>>> On Fri, Sep 21, 2018, 10:02 Petr, OK1RP/M0SIS <indians at xsmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi,
>>>> 
>>>> anything changed from 2007 already? :)
>>>> 
>>>> I am looking for 19' rack mount option for KPA500, KAT500, W2 as same as
>>>> PSU
>>>> and antennas multi-switch etc...
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks for info.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -----
>>>> 73 - Petr, OK1RP
>>>> "Apple & Elecraft freak"
>>>> B:http://ok1rp.blogspot.com
>>>> G+:http://goo.gl/w3u2s9
>>>> G+: http://goo.gl/gP99xq
>>>> --
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From KY5G at montac.com  Fri Sep 21 20:45:02 2018
From: KY5G at montac.com (Clay Autery)
Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2018 19:45:02 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 : Rack Mount Option?
In-Reply-To: <f4de68b0-90b1-4200-99a6-a49c20317ba0@subich.com>
Message-ID: <mailman.40.1537577115.3447.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>

Was just brainstorming...? Maybe as I posted subsequently, you could just bond the two units togetger with additional hardware....
Thermal issues could be dealt with by creating an efficient thermal interface bewtween the units and adding a fan to the P3 to take the heat out....? the P3 mass could actually sink MORE heat than just the flat panel....
I don't mind actually engineering a dedicated solution...
I'm not contemplating a 19" rack right now, but its not out of the question in the future...


Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
-------- Original message --------From: "Joe Subich, W4TV" <lists at subich.com> Date: 9/21/18  18:56  (GMT-06:00) To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 : Rack Mount Option? 




On 2018-09-21 6:17 PM, Clay Autery wrote:
> Thanks...? Looks like the solution is to get a spare K3s right side 
> panel and sib-machine it in a way that it can serve as a common
> panel for both components....
Not likely since the right panel of the K3/K3S and the left panel of
the P3 are both mounted with 3D connectors and screws passing from
the outside of the panel.? In addition, the K3/K3S has regulators
which use the right panel as a heat sink and capturing that inside
the P3 would impact the cooling ability.

73,

??? ... Joe, W4TV


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From KY5G at montac.com  Fri Sep 21 20:46:31 2018
From: KY5G at montac.com (Clay Autery)
Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2018 19:46:31 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 : Rack Mount Option?
In-Reply-To: <3730100D-7FFA-42CD-A192-268F23FCF3AB@widomaker.com>
Message-ID: <mailman.41.1537577204.3447.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>

Not without some custom engineering/fasteners...? agreed.
Looks like a common panel is not required anyway making it a moot point.


Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
-------- Original message --------From: Nr4c <nr4c at widomaker.com> Date: 9/21/18  18:57  (GMT-06:00) To: Bob McGraw K4TAX <rmcgraw at blomand.net> Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 : Rack Mount Option? 
Fun part is mounting the P3 to the K3. Both side panels screw on from side. No way to share a common panel. 

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill


> On Sep 21, 2018, at 7:49 PM, Bob McGraw K4TAX <rmcgraw at blomand.net> wrote:
> 
> I believe if one removes the feet from the right side of the K3S and the handle from the left side, all will work just fine.?? No modifications or panels needed.
> 
> Mine are sitting side-by-side and with feet and handle in place on my K3S, P3 is to the left of the radio, overall width is 17.625".?? Some of the rack shelf units I researched show 17" inside dimensions for equipment.? I did find one that was 17.750".?? These are fixed shelves and not slide out shelves.
> 
> Check RackMountMart.com
> 
> 73
> 
> Bob, K4TAX
> 
> 
> 
>> On 9/21/2018 5:17 PM, Clay Autery wrote:
>> Thanks...? Looks like the solution is to get a spare K3s right side panel and sib-machine it in a way that it can serve as a common panel for both components....
>> 73,Clay, KY5G
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>> -------- Original message --------From: Bob McGraw K4TAX <rmcgraw at blomand.net> Date: 9/21/18? 16:45? (GMT-06:00) To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 : Rack Mount Option?
>> Based on published numbers, the P3 is 6.1" wide, the K3S is 10.7"
>> wide.?? As I recall a 19" rack shelf is 16.75".?? If all is correct, a
>> real tight fit, I'd say.
>> 
>> 73
>> 
>> Bob, K4TAX
>> 
>> 
>>> On 9/21/2018 4:36 PM, Clay Autery wrote:
>>> I haven't measured lately...? Is a K3/P3 width too wide for a single 19" 3U rack unit?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>>> -------- Original message --------From: Jim Rhodes <jimk0xu at gmail.com> Date: 9/21/18? 11:34? (GMT-06:00) To: "Petr, OK1RP/M0SIS" <indians at xsmail.com> Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 : Rack Mount Option?
>>> Novexcomm.com is all that I have seen. Looks like good stuff, but I haven't
>>> ordered yet.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Jim Rhodes
>>> K0XU
>>> 
>>>> On Fri, Sep 21, 2018, 10:02 Petr, OK1RP/M0SIS <indians at xsmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi,
>>>> 
>>>> anything changed from 2007 already? :)
>>>> 
>>>> I am looking for 19' rack mount option for KPA500, KAT500, W2 as same as
>>>> PSU
>>>> and antennas multi-switch etc...
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks for info.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -----
>>>> 73 - Petr, OK1RP
>>>> "Apple & Elecraft freak"
>>>> B:http://ok1rp.blogspot.com
>>>> G+:http://goo.gl/w3u2s9
>>>> G+: http://goo.gl/gP99xq
>>>> --
>>>> Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/
>>>> ____________________I believe if one removes the feet from the right side of the K3S and the 
> handle from the left side, all will work just fine.?? No modifications or panels needed.
> 
> Mine are sitting side-by-side and with feet and handle in place on my K3S, P3 is to the left of the radio, overall width is 17.625".?? Some of the rack shelf units I researched show 17" inside dimensions for equipment.? I did find one that was 17.750".?? These are fixed shelves and not slide out shelves.
> 
> Check RackMountMart.com
> 
> 73
> 
> Bob, K4TAX
> 
> 
> 
>> On 9/21/2018 5:17 PM, Clay Autery wrote:
>> Thanks...? Looks like the solution is to get a spare K3s right side panel and sib-machine it in a way that it can serve as a common panel for both components....
>> 73,Clay, KY5G
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>> -------- Original message --------From: Bob McGraw K4TAX <rmcgraw at blomand.net> Date: 9/21/18? 16:45? (GMT-06:00) To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 : Rack Mount Option?
>> Based on published numbers, the P3 is 6.1" wide, the K3S is 10.7"
>> wide.?? As I recall a 19" rack shelf is 16.75".?? If all is correct, a
>> real tight fit, I'd say.
>> 
>> 73
>> 
>> Bob, K4TAX
>> 
>> 
>>> On 9/21/2018 4:36 PM, Clay Autery wrote:
>>> I haven't measured lately...? Is a K3/P3 width too wide for a single 19" 3U rack unit?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>>> -------- Original message --------From: Jim Rhodes <jimk0xu at gmail.com> Date: 9/21/18? 11:34? (GMT-06:00) To: "Petr, OK1RP/M0SIS" <indians at xsmail.com> Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 : Rack Mount Option?
>>> Novexcomm.com is all that I have seen. Looks like good stuff, but I haven't
>>> ordered yet.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Jim Rhodes
>>> K0XU
>>> 
>>>> On Fri, Sep 21, 2018, 10:02 Petr, OK1RP/M0SIS <indians at xsmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi,
>>>> 
>>>> anything changed from 2007 already? :)
>>>> 
>>>> I am looking for 19' rack mount option for KPA500, KAT500, W2 as same as
>>>> PSU
>>>> and antennas multi-switch etc...
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks for info.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -----
>>>> 73 - Petr, OK1RP
>>>> "Apple & Elecraft freak"
>>>> B:http://ok1rp.blogspot.com
>>>> G+:http://goo.gl/w3u2s9
>>>> G+: http://goo.gl/gP99xq
>>>> --
>>>> Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/
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From c-hawley at illinois.edu  Fri Sep 21 21:11:28 2018
From: c-hawley at illinois.edu (hawley, charles j jr)
Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2018 01:11:28 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 : Rack Mount Option?
In-Reply-To: <20180922004712.A48F5149B0CB@mailman.qth.net>
References: <3730100D-7FFA-42CD-A192-268F23FCF3AB@widomaker.com>,
	<20180922004712.A48F5149B0CB@mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID: <87CBBFF6-47B2-4510-B4E9-39C2172B47A3@illinois.edu>

My rack mount shelves have 17 1/2 inches of space. I mount them with the shelf extending into the rack cabinet.

Chuck Jack 
KE9UW

Sent from my iPhone, cjack 

> On Sep 21, 2018, at 7:47 PM, Clay Autery <KY5G at montac.com> wrote:
> 
> Not without some custom engineering/fasteners...  agreed.
> Looks like a common panel is not required anyway making it a moot point.
> 
> 
> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
> -------- Original message --------From: Nr4c <nr4c at widomaker.com> Date: 9/21/18  18:57  (GMT-06:00) To: Bob McGraw K4TAX <rmcgraw at blomand.net> Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 : Rack Mount Option? 
> Fun part is mounting the P3 to the K3. Both side panels screw on from side. No way to share a common panel. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> ...nr4c. bill
> 
> 
>> On Sep 21, 2018, at 7:49 PM, Bob McGraw K4TAX <rmcgraw at blomand.net> wrote:
>> 
>> I believe if one removes the feet from the right side of the K3S and the handle from the left side, all will work just fine.   No modifications or panels needed.
>> 
>> Mine are sitting side-by-side and with feet and handle in place on my K3S, P3 is to the left of the radio, overall width is 17.625".   Some of the rack shelf units I researched show 17" inside dimensions for equipment.  I did find one that was 17.750".   These are fixed shelves and not slide out shelves.
>> 
>> Check RackMountMart.com
>> 
>> 73
>> 
>> Bob, K4TAX
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 9/21/2018 5:17 PM, Clay Autery wrote:
>>> Thanks...  Looks like the solution is to get a spare K3s right side panel and sib-machine it in a way that it can serve as a common panel for both components....
>>> 73,Clay, KY5G
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>>> -------- Original message --------From: Bob McGraw K4TAX <rmcgraw at blomand.net> Date: 9/21/18  16:45  (GMT-06:00) To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 : Rack Mount Option?
>>> Based on published numbers, the P3 is 6.1" wide, the K3S is 10.7"
>>> wide.   As I recall a 19" rack shelf is 16.75".   If all is correct, a
>>> real tight fit, I'd say.
>>> 
>>> 73
>>> 
>>> Bob, K4TAX
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 9/21/2018 4:36 PM, Clay Autery wrote:
>>>> I haven't measured lately...  Is a K3/P3 width too wide for a single 19" 3U rack unit?
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>>>> -------- Original message --------From: Jim Rhodes <jimk0xu at gmail.com> Date: 9/21/18  11:34  (GMT-06:00) To: "Petr, OK1RP/M0SIS" <indians at xsmail.com> Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 : Rack Mount Option?
>>>> Novexcomm.com is all that I have seen. Looks like good stuff, but I haven't
>>>> ordered yet.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Jim Rhodes
>>>> K0XU
>>>> 
>>>>> On Fri, Sep 21, 2018, 10:02 Petr, OK1RP/M0SIS <indians at xsmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>> 
>>>>> anything changed from 2007 already? :)
>>>>> 
>>>>> I am looking for 19' rack mount option for KPA500, KAT500, W2 as same as
>>>>> PSU
>>>>> and antennas multi-switch etc...
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks for info.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> -----
>>>>> 73 - Petr, OK1RP
>>>>> "Apple & Elecraft freak"
>>>>> B:http://ok1rp.blogspot.com
>>>>> G+:http://goo.gl/w3u2s9
>>>>> G+: http://goo.gl/gP99xq
>>>>> --
>>>>> Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/
>>>>> ____________________I believe if one removes the feet from the right side of the K3S and the 
>> handle from the left side, all will work just fine.   No modifications or panels needed.
>> 
>> Mine are sitting side-by-side and with feet and handle in place on my K3S, P3 is to the left of the radio, overall width is 17.625".   Some of the rack shelf units I researched show 17" inside dimensions for equipment.  I did find one that was 17.750".   These are fixed shelves and not slide out shelves.
>> 
>> Check RackMountMart.com
>> 
>> 73
>> 
>> Bob, K4TAX
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 9/21/2018 5:17 PM, Clay Autery wrote:
>>> Thanks...  Looks like the solution is to get a spare K3s right side panel and sib-machine it in a way that it can serve as a common panel for both components....
>>> 73,Clay, KY5G
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>>> -------- Original message --------From: Bob McGraw K4TAX <rmcgraw at blomand.net> Date: 9/21/18  16:45  (GMT-06:00) To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 : Rack Mount Option?
>>> Based on published numbers, the P3 is 6.1" wide, the K3S is 10.7"
>>> wide.   As I recall a 19" rack shelf is 16.75".   If all is correct, a
>>> real tight fit, I'd say.
>>> 
>>> 73
>>> 
>>> Bob, K4TAX
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 9/21/2018 4:36 PM, Clay Autery wrote:
>>>> I haven't measured lately...  Is a K3/P3 width too wide for a single 19" 3U rack unit?
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>>>> -------- Original message --------From: Jim Rhodes <jimk0xu at gmail.com> Date: 9/21/18  11:34  (GMT-06:00) To: "Petr, OK1RP/M0SIS" <indians at xsmail.com> Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 : Rack Mount Option?
>>>> Novexcomm.com is all that I have seen. Looks like good stuff, but I haven't
>>>> ordered yet.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Jim Rhodes
>>>> K0XU
>>>> 
>>>>> On Fri, Sep 21, 2018, 10:02 Petr, OK1RP/M0SIS <indians at xsmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>> 
>>>>> anything changed from 2007 already? :)
>>>>> 
>>>>> I am looking for 19' rack mount option for KPA500, KAT500, W2 as same as
>>>>> PSU
>>>>> and antennas multi-switch etc...
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks for info.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> -----
>>>>> 73 - Petr, OK1RP
>>>>> "Apple & Elecraft freak"
>>>>> B:http://ok1rp.blogspot.com
>>>>> G+:http://goo.gl/w3u2s9
>>>>> G+: http://goo.gl/gP99xq
>>>>> --
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From mike.ab3ap at gmail.com  Fri Sep 21 21:27:32 2018
From: mike.ab3ap at gmail.com (Mike Markowski)
Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2018 21:27:32 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 : Rack Mount Option?
In-Reply-To: <87CBBFF6-47B2-4510-B4E9-39C2172B47A3@illinois.edu>
References: <3730100D-7FFA-42CD-A192-268F23FCF3AB@widomaker.com>
	<20180922004712.A48F5149B0CB@mailman.qth.net>
	<87CBBFF6-47B2-4510-B4E9-39C2172B47A3@illinois.edu>
Message-ID: <CANq1pfms_bOddNuVD6LVG7CWCsQ3d_v=e==u9ta+tBk=XRuVsw@mail.gmail.com>

I shared this a little while back.  My solution isn't as slick as rack
mounting, but has a smaller footprint (about 14" x 14" or so) and great
ventilation.  :-)

   http://udel.edu/~mm/ham/elecraft/rack/

73,
Mike ab3ap

On Fri, Sep 21, 2018 at 9:13 PM hawley, charles j jr <c-hawley at illinois.edu>
wrote:

> My rack mount shelves have 17 1/2 inches of space. I mount them with the
> shelf extending into the rack cabinet.
>
> Chuck Jack
> KE9UW
> ...
>

From ebasilier at cox.net  Fri Sep 21 22:02:12 2018
From: ebasilier at cox.net (Erik Basilier)
Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2018 19:02:12 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Choice of CW pitch
Message-ID: <02eb01d45218$49655f20$dc301d60$@cox.net>

The ease of changing CW pitch in the K3 is indeed a great asset in setting
things up for best copy, and I have found myself using it quite a few times.
The immediate reason to change pitch has usually been a perception that with
the existing setting, the best copy pitch does not exactly coincide with the
CW tuning indicator (another great CW asset of the K3), or with the peak DSP
filter response. Many times this has led me to change the pitch setting by a
small amount, whether my general preference du jour is for a low or higher
pitch. To make such an adjustment I like to set a wide DSP bandwidth and
slowly tune through a received signal. The apparent loudness doesn't stay
constant, nor does it follow a smooth variation that I attribute to my own
hearing response. Instead I hear peaks within range of piches that would be
reasonable for CW, that I attribute to the speaker and its surroundings. (I
would say that since I went to the SP3, there is less of this variation, but
no matter how good the speaker, there will always be such variations because
objects around the speaker cause reflections. Phones will always be the
better approach....) Rather than adjusting the pitch to some value
considered ideal based no prior considerations, I set it for a peak in the
accoustical response of the particular speaker and its surroundings. Then
going back to normal DSP selectivity I generally find better agreement
between perceived loudness and centering the received signal in the
passband, at least until I move things around in the shack...

73,
Erik K7TV


From augie.hansen at comcast.net  Fri Sep 21 22:04:52 2018
From: augie.hansen at comcast.net (Augie Hansen)
Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2018 20:04:52 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 : Rack Mount Option?
In-Reply-To: <20180921213748.B8511149B2A1@mailman.qth.net>
References: <20180921213748.B8511149B2A1@mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID: <2f8f8c04-7187-424c-741b-156bfb88e168@comcast.net>

I use fixed rack shelves that have an inside dimension of 17.5". At 
several Denver-area swap meets I have displayed the Elecraft banner with 
the K-Line in a short rack cabinet. The K3(S) + P3 (on the right side) 
fit on one shelf with the feet and the handle in place. No need to 
remove anything, nor make a special attachment of the units. The KPA500 
+ W2 meter go on another shelf.

The rack and shelves (2U) were purchased from BSW (https://bswusa.com). 
Let me know if you'd like a picture of the demo rack.

Gus Hansen, KB0YH

On 9/21/2018 3:36 PM, Clay Autery wrote:
> I haven't measured lately...? Is a K3/P3 width too wide for a single 19" 3U rack unit?

From tomb18 at videotron.ca  Fri Sep 21 22:45:41 2018
From: tomb18 at videotron.ca (Tom)
Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2018 22:45:41 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 : Rack Mount Option?
In-Reply-To: <3XJpgk7bCDQvX3XJqgdeaC@videotron.ca>
References: <20180921213748.B8511149B2A1@mailman.qth.net>
	<3XJpgk7bCDQvX3XJqgdeaC@videotron.ca>
Message-ID: <C1C511E123714171B1E95731B5D79E28@DESKTOPAV61F2H>

Hi
I looked at this for a while. With many radios and often swapping antenna 
cables and panadapters it was a nightmare just sitting on my table. Looking 
on Kijiji, I saw lots of rack mounts complete with power distribution units 
for $40 to $60./  I bought 2 and mounted them both on lazy Suzanne 
turntables.  Problem solved.
Can turn them 180 degrees with full access to the back.  Any yes, with 
shelves, The K3 and P3 mount side by side.
https://va2fsq.com/wp-content/uploads/Rack-e1537584067353.jpg

73 Tom
va2fsq.com

-----Original Message----- 
From: Augie Hansen
Sent: Friday, September 21, 2018 10:04 PM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 : Rack Mount Option?

I use fixed rack shelves that have an inside dimension of 17.5". At
several Denver-area swap meets I have displayed the Elecraft banner with
the K-Line in a short rack cabinet. The K3(S) + P3 (on the right side)
fit on one shelf with the feet and the handle in place. No need to
remove anything, nor make a special attachment of the units. The KPA500
+ W2 meter go on another shelf.

The rack and shelves (2U) were purchased from BSW (https://bswusa.com).
Let me know if you'd like a picture of the demo rack.

Gus Hansen, KB0YH

On 9/21/2018 3:36 PM, Clay Autery wrote:
> I haven't measured lately...  Is a K3/P3 width too wide for a single 19" 
> 3U rack unit?
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From tomb18 at videotron.ca  Fri Sep 21 22:56:30 2018
From: tomb18 at videotron.ca (Tom)
Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2018 22:56:30 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 : Rack Mount Option?
In-Reply-To: <3XxIgkCnZDQvX3XxJgdhWM@videotron.ca>
References: <20180921213748.B8511149B2A1@mailman.qth.net>
	<3XJpgk7bCDQvX3XJqgdeaC@videotron.ca>
	<3XxIgkCnZDQvX3XxJgdhWM@videotron.ca>
Message-ID: <FEF333C947B54598A60B6A2D4C4BD274@DESKTOPAV61F2H>

Oh, forgot to mention.  Getting racks and shelves used my musicians are far 
far cheaper than getting racks used in the IT community.  Especially used, 
when all the wanna be rock stars realize they are now poor and need to get 
their money back.
73

-----Original Message----- 
From: Tom
Sent: Friday, September 21, 2018 10:45 PM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 : Rack Mount Option?

Hi
I looked at this for a while. With many radios and often swapping antenna
cables and panadapters it was a nightmare just sitting on my table. Looking
on Kijiji, I saw lots of rack mounts complete with power distribution units
for $40 to $60./  I bought 2 and mounted them both on lazy Suzanne
turntables.  Problem solved.
Can turn them 180 degrees with full access to the back.  Any yes, with
shelves, The K3 and P3 mount side by side.
https://va2fsq.com/wp-content/uploads/Rack-e1537584067353.jpg

73 Tom
va2fsq.com

-----Original Message----- 
From: Augie Hansen
Sent: Friday, September 21, 2018 10:04 PM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 : Rack Mount Option?

I use fixed rack shelves that have an inside dimension of 17.5". At
several Denver-area swap meets I have displayed the Elecraft banner with
the K-Line in a short rack cabinet. The K3(S) + P3 (on the right side)
fit on one shelf with the feet and the handle in place. No need to
remove anything, nor make a special attachment of the units. The KPA500
+ W2 meter go on another shelf.

The rack and shelves (2U) were purchased from BSW (https://bswusa.com).
Let me know if you'd like a picture of the demo rack.

Gus Hansen, KB0YH

On 9/21/2018 3:36 PM, Clay Autery wrote:
> I haven't measured lately...  Is a K3/P3 width too wide for a single 19" 
> 3U rack unit?
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From rcrgs at verizon.net  Fri Sep 21 23:07:19 2018
From: rcrgs at verizon.net (Robert G Strickland)
Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2018 03:07:19 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 slug-tuned inductors
In-Reply-To: <500c978e-f577-b4cb-de9a-651ee909b58b@embarqmail.com>
References: <hknx2b0Z9n1e72_I4wCFDVkdbSjvP4xR3kmgTqUBT-6r5JvUGyTEjNrv2Z0QzyeVB-5RsDzEPSNch4XEx-5ISdRRUO6VdgPPsOtGvU8Y31Q=@protonmail.com>
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Don...

Where did you find a ceramic screwdriver?

...robert

On 9/21/2018 21:52, Don Wilhelm wrote:
> Chuck and all,
>
> Those particular inductor cores with the narrow slot are difficult to
> break, and they seldom stick.
>
> Since I adjust them during repairs, I would wear out many tuning tools
> in short time.  I bought a ceramic screwdriver with a 1/8 inch wide
> blade.  I have another with a 5/32 inch wide blade that I use for
> adjusting those new trimmer capacitors in plastic cases.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 9/21/2018 5:00 PM, hawley, charles j jr wrote:
>> I would get a new wand or file one down.
>> Some of those things get difficult to turn and the screwdriver breaks
>> the core. Is there anyway to loosen them up before they break?
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From mpridesti at yahoo.com  Fri Sep 21 23:46:00 2018
From: mpridesti at yahoo.com (Mpridesti)
Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2018 23:46:00 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] External audio & front panel mic
Message-ID: <58A837CE-7C02-4342-8AA5-8471E4FBD777@yahoo.com>

How do I configure the K3 to accept audio from my PC sound card and use the front panel mic at the same time?

Regards,
Mark, K1RX



From pubx1 at af2z.net  Sat Sep 22 06:39:11 2018
From: pubx1 at af2z.net (Drew AF2Z)
Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2018 06:39:11 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Choice of CW pitch
In-Reply-To: <02eb01d45218$49655f20$dc301d60$@cox.net>
References: <02eb01d45218$49655f20$dc301d60$@cox.net>
Message-ID: <ffd19b52-a8a9-20ec-a421-488ded541301@af2z.net>

Yes, the K3 cw pitch is easy to set tailor for hearing response and 
speaker/headphone response; at least easier than the K2. For my K2 I had 
written down the filter calibrations for a number of different pitches 
so that I could change them on the fly while operating; I recall it took 
less than a minute to dial one of them in...

But if you want to adjust the pitch to suit current band conditions, 
filter width and wpm speed of the station you are trying to copy, the K3 
is not easy at all.

Let's assume that for any combination of these variables there is some 
optimum CW pitch between 300 - 800 Hz. How do you find that pitch for a 
particular CW signal? There is no easy way because whenever you push the 
PITCH button you can no longer hear the station your are trying to 
optimize. You would have to try every pitch selection individually, 300, 
310, 320, etc., and somehow remember which was the best. Obviously, not 
a practical way to dial in the optimum value.

73,
Drew
AF2Z


On 09/21/18 22:02, Erik Basilier wrote:
> The ease of changing CW pitch in the K3 is indeed a great asset in setting
> things up for best copy, and I have found myself using it quite a few times.
> The immediate reason to change pitch has usually been a perception that with
> the existing setting, the best copy pitch does not exactly coincide with the
> CW tuning indicator (another great CW asset of the K3), or with the peak DSP
> filter response. Many times this has led me to change the pitch setting by a
> small amount, whether my general preference du jour is for a low or higher
> pitch. To make such an adjustment I like to set a wide DSP bandwidth and
> slowly tune through a received signal. The apparent loudness doesn't stay
> constant, nor does it follow a smooth variation that I attribute to my own
> hearing response. Instead I hear peaks within range of piches that would be
> reasonable for CW, that I attribute to the speaker and its surroundings. (I
> would say that since I went to the SP3, there is less of this variation, but
> no matter how good the speaker, there will always be such variations because
> objects around the speaker cause reflections. Phones will always be the
> better approach....) Rather than adjusting the pitch to some value
> considered ideal based no prior considerations, I set it for a peak in the
> accoustical response of the particular speaker and its surroundings. Then
> going back to normal DSP selectivity I generally find better agreement
> between perceived loudness and centering the received signal in the
> passband, at least until I move things around in the shack...
> 
> 73,
> Erik K7TV
> 
> ______________________________________________________________
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> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
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From nr4c at widomaker.com  Sat Sep 22 07:11:52 2018
From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c)
Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2018 07:11:52 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Choice of CW pitch
In-Reply-To: <ffd19b52-a8a9-20ec-a421-488ded541301@af2z.net>
References: <02eb01d45218$49655f20$dc301d60$@cox.net>
	<ffd19b52-a8a9-20ec-a421-488ded541301@af2z.net>
Message-ID: <C4A5D0EB-498C-444E-B0F9-6B275C4A0EFB@widomaker.com>

Come on!!!

I adjust the ?pitch? to suit my hearing. The pitch of the incoming station is adjusted by the VFO!  The ?Spot? button will get you close to Zero-Beat. A little XIT will separate you from others who Zero-Beat him in a pile-up. 

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill


> On Sep 22, 2018, at 6:39 AM, Drew AF2Z <pubx1 at af2z.net> wrote:
> 
> Yes, the K3 cw pitch is easy to set tailor for hearing response and speaker/headphone response; at least easier than the K2. For my K2 I had written down the filter calibrations for a number of different pitches so that I could change them on the fly while operating; I recall it took less than a minute to dial one of them in...
> 
> But if you want to adjust the pitch to suit current band conditions, filter width and wpm speed of the station you are trying to copy, the K3 is not easy at all.
> 
> Let's assume that for any combination of these variables there is some optimum CW pitch between 300 - 800 Hz. How do you find that pitch for a particular CW signal? There is no easy way because whenever you push the PITCH button you can no longer hear the station your are trying to optimize. You would have to try every pitch selection individually, 300, 310, 320, etc., and somehow remember which was the best. Obviously, not a practical way to dial in the optimum value.
> 
> 73,
> Drew
> AF2Z
> 
> 
>> On 09/21/18 22:02, Erik Basilier wrote:
>> The ease of changing CW pitch in the K3 is indeed a great asset in setting
>> things up for best copy, and I have found myself using it quite a few times.
>> The immediate reason to change pitch has usually been a perception that with
>> the existing setting, the best copy pitch does not exactly coincide with the
>> CW tuning indicator (another great CW asset of the K3), or with the peak DSP
>> filter response. Many times this has led me to change the pitch setting by a
>> small amount, whether my general preference du jour is for a low or higher
>> pitch. To make such an adjustment I like to set a wide DSP bandwidth and
>> slowly tune through a received signal. The apparent loudness doesn't stay
>> constant, nor does it follow a smooth variation that I attribute to my own
>> hearing response. Instead I hear peaks within range of piches that would be
>> reasonable for CW, that I attribute to the speaker and its surroundings. (I
>> would say that since I went to the SP3, there is less of this variation, but
>> no matter how good the speaker, there will always be such variations because
>> objects around the speaker cause reflections. Phones will always be the
>> better approach....) Rather than adjusting the pitch to some value
>> considered ideal based no prior considerations, I set it for a peak in the
>> accoustical response of the particular speaker and its surroundings. Then
>> going back to normal DSP selectivity I generally find better agreement
>> between perceived loudness and centering the received signal in the
>> passband, at least until I move things around in the shack...
>> 73,
>> Erik K7TV
>> ______________________________________________________________
>> Elecraft mailing list
>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net
>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
>> Message delivered to pubx1 at af2z.net
> 
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From k2zn at rochester.rr.com  Sat Sep 22 07:39:12 2018
From: k2zn at rochester.rr.com (Al Scanandoah)
Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2018 07:39:12 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 slug-tuned inductors
In-Reply-To: <751dfb57-a596-5383-c5b7-3c907582d0dc@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <mailman.42.1537616367.3447.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>

They're readily available from Amazon.

https://www.amazon.com/Hanperal-Slotted-Ceramic-Alignment-Screwdriver/dp/B01AJC29OI
Al, K2ZN

Sent via mobile
-------- Original message --------From: Robert G Strickland <rcrgs at verizon.net> Date: 9/21/18  23:07  (GMT-05:00) To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K2 slug-tuned inductors 
Don...

Where did you find a ceramic screwdriver?

...robert



From pubx1 at af2z.net  Sat Sep 22 07:40:25 2018
From: pubx1 at af2z.net (Drew AF2Z)
Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2018 07:40:25 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Choice of CW pitch
In-Reply-To: <C4A5D0EB-498C-444E-B0F9-6B275C4A0EFB@widomaker.com>
References: <02eb01d45218$49655f20$dc301d60$@cox.net>
	<ffd19b52-a8a9-20ec-a421-488ded541301@af2z.net>
	<C4A5D0EB-498C-444E-B0F9-6B275C4A0EFB@widomaker.com>
Message-ID: <13d48535-7b10-adfb-40bf-f73d710d6d85@af2z.net>

When you've got a weak signal peaked in a narrow filter or APF, that's 
the time you'd like to optimize the pitch. Adjusting the VFO/RIT for a 
different pitch is not really an option at that point.

You're right though, PITCH as implemented is mainly meant to pick your 
favorite tone and pretty much stick with it; not for trimming up 
individual signals like you would with AF/RF gain.

73,
Drew
AF2Z




On 09/22/18 07:11, Nr4c wrote:
> Come on!!!
> 
> I adjust the ?pitch? to suit my hearing. The pitch of the incoming station is adjusted by the VFO!  The ?Spot? button will get you close to Zero-Beat. A little XIT will separate you from others who Zero-Beat him in a pile-up.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> ...nr4c. bill
> 
> 
>> On Sep 22, 2018, at 6:39 AM, Drew AF2Z <pubx1 at af2z.net> wrote:
>>
>> Yes, the K3 cw pitch is easy to set tailor for hearing response and speaker/headphone response; at least easier than the K2. For my K2 I had written down the filter calibrations for a number of different pitches so that I could change them on the fly while operating; I recall it took less than a minute to dial one of them in...
>>
>> But if you want to adjust the pitch to suit current band conditions, filter width and wpm speed of the station you are trying to copy, the K3 is not easy at all.
>>
>> Let's assume that for any combination of these variables there is some optimum CW pitch between 300 - 800 Hz. How do you find that pitch for a particular CW signal? There is no easy way because whenever you push the PITCH button you can no longer hear the station your are trying to optimize. You would have to try every pitch selection individually, 300, 310, 320, etc., and somehow remember which was the best. Obviously, not a practical way to dial in the optimum value.
>>
>> 73,
>> Drew
>> AF2Z
>>
>>
>>> On 09/21/18 22:02, Erik Basilier wrote:
>>> The ease of changing CW pitch in the K3 is indeed a great asset in setting
>>> things up for best copy, and I have found myself using it quite a few times.
>>> The immediate reason to change pitch has usually been a perception that with
>>> the existing setting, the best copy pitch does not exactly coincide with the
>>> CW tuning indicator (another great CW asset of the K3), or with the peak DSP
>>> filter response. Many times this has led me to change the pitch setting by a
>>> small amount, whether my general preference du jour is for a low or higher
>>> pitch. To make such an adjustment I like to set a wide DSP bandwidth and
>>> slowly tune through a received signal. The apparent loudness doesn't stay
>>> constant, nor does it follow a smooth variation that I attribute to my own
>>> hearing response. Instead I hear peaks within range of piches that would be
>>> reasonable for CW, that I attribute to the speaker and its surroundings. (I
>>> would say that since I went to the SP3, there is less of this variation, but
>>> no matter how good the speaker, there will always be such variations because
>>> objects around the speaker cause reflections. Phones will always be the
>>> better approach....) Rather than adjusting the pitch to some value
>>> considered ideal based no prior considerations, I set it for a peak in the
>>> accoustical response of the particular speaker and its surroundings. Then
>>> going back to normal DSP selectivity I generally find better agreement
>>> between perceived loudness and centering the received signal in the
>>> passband, at least until I move things around in the shack...
>>> 73,
>>> Erik K7TV
>>> ______________________________________________________________
>>> Elecraft mailing list
>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
>>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net
>>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
>>> Message delivered to pubx1 at af2z.net
>>
>> ______________________________________________________________
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> 
> 



From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Sat Sep 22 07:58:06 2018
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2018 07:58:06 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] External audio & front panel mic
In-Reply-To: <58A837CE-7C02-4342-8AA5-8471E4FBD777@yahoo.com>
References: <58A837CE-7C02-4342-8AA5-8471E4FBD777@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <8e6b7f7d-58bf-f603-11bf-10edbb0c7b95@embarqmail.com>

MIC + LINE.  Plug the PC soundcard into the LINE IN jack, not the reaar 
mic jack.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 9/21/2018 11:46 PM, Mpridesti via Elecraft wrote:
> How do I configure the K3 to accept audio from my PC sound card and use the front panel mic at the same time?
> 

From david at aslinvc.com  Sat Sep 22 08:10:14 2018
From: david at aslinvc.com (Dave G3WGN M6O)
Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2018 05:10:14 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 DSP firmware update 'Missing'
Message-ID: <1537618214024-0.post@n2.nabble.com>

Hi, hoping the Elecraft brains trust can help.  I'm updating the firmware on
my K3 in preparation for the forthcoming 6Gs DXpedition to VK9X.
Current DSP firmware is 2.86; when I 'Copy new files from Elecraft' in the
utility, I get the latest MCU and FPF releases, but both DSP are shown as
'Missing' in the Available column.  The Elecraft website shows DSP release
2.88 as the latest. How do I get the latest DSP firmware?
73 David G3WGN M6O




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From mpridesti at yahoo.com  Sat Sep 22 08:11:27 2018
From: mpridesti at yahoo.com (Mpridesti)
Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2018 08:11:27 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] External audio & front panel mic
In-Reply-To: <8e6b7f7d-58bf-f603-11bf-10edbb0c7b95@embarqmail.com>
References: <58A837CE-7C02-4342-8AA5-8471E4FBD777@yahoo.com>
	<8e6b7f7d-58bf-f603-11bf-10edbb0c7b95@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <FC000ACA-2208-400E-865B-E1C8DB25CA2A@yahoo.com>

The fix was turning up the mic input for Line In (shows temporary while turning the mic gain) and of course using the Line In port.  Thanks all

Regards,
Mark, K1RX


> On Sep 22, 2018, at 7:58 AM, Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com> wrote:
> 
> MIC + LINE.  Plug the PC soundcard into the LINE IN jack, not the reaar mic jack.
> 
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
> 
>> On 9/21/2018 11:46 PM, Mpridesti via Elecraft wrote:
>> How do I configure the K3 to accept audio from my PC sound card and use the front panel mic at the same time?


From mpridesti at yahoo.com  Sat Sep 22 08:17:21 2018
From: mpridesti at yahoo.com (Mpridesti)
Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2018 08:17:21 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Power varies while TX
Message-ID: <7E9582A7-34A3-4E79-BFD2-FB9C5038EE52@yahoo.com>

Hopefully the last issue here. 

Notice the power output drops off just after first moment of transmitting. Both SSB and CW. 

ATU is bypassed (occurs also when ATU is in  as well)

Some kind of TX AGC issue perhaps?


Regards,
Mark, K1RX



From wb4ooa at gmail.com  Sat Sep 22 08:55:19 2018
From: wb4ooa at gmail.com (Ron Durie)
Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2018 08:55:19 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 FW Ver. 1.78
Message-ID: <000601d45273$8482d370$8d887a50$@gmail.com>

THANK YOU Elecraft and all responsible for the new KPA1500 Firm Ware Ver.
1.78.  

I love the new variable peak hold mode on the metering.  It is extremely
helpful.  

The KPA1500 is a wonderful amp.  

 

Ron Durie

WB4OOA

Elecraft K3S-Line

 

 


From dave at nk7z.net  Sat Sep 22 09:37:24 2018
From: dave at nk7z.net (Dave Cole (NK7Z))
Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2018 06:37:24 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Choice of CW pitch
In-Reply-To: <13d48535-7b10-adfb-40bf-f73d710d6d85@af2z.net>
References: <02eb01d45218$49655f20$dc301d60$@cox.net>
	<ffd19b52-a8a9-20ec-a421-488ded541301@af2z.net>
	<C4A5D0EB-498C-444E-B0F9-6B275C4A0EFB@widomaker.com>
	<13d48535-7b10-adfb-40bf-f73d710d6d85@af2z.net>
Message-ID: <90e28c60-d560-5790-475b-1f924617006b@nk7z.net>

I had a hearing test a year, or two ago.  I looked at the test results 
and selected a frequency, looking for good response in both ears.  I 
then adjusted the K3 beat note to that frequency, which put the 
frequency of the beat tone in the sweet spot for my ears...  It also in 
general got most stations I was working at that frequency.

It made a noticeable difference for the better in weak signal decoding 
for CW for me...  YMMV.

73s and thanks,
Dave (NK7Z/NNR0DC)
https://www.nk7z.net
ARRL Technical Specialist
ARRL Volunteer Examiner
ARRL OOC for Oregon

On 9/22/18 4:40 AM, Drew AF2Z wrote:
> When you've got a weak signal peaked in a narrow filter or APF, that's 
> the time you'd like to optimize the pitch. Adjusting the VFO/RIT for a 
> different pitch is not really an option at that point.
> 
> You're right though, PITCH as implemented is mainly meant to pick your 
> favorite tone and pretty much stick with it; not for trimming up 
> individual signals like you would with AF/RF gain.
> 
> 73,
> Drew
> AF2Z
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 09/22/18 07:11, Nr4c wrote:
>> Come on!!!
>>
>> I adjust the ?pitch? to suit my hearing. The pitch of the incoming 
>> station is adjusted by the VFO!? The ?Spot? button will get you close 
>> to Zero-Beat. A little XIT will separate you from others who Zero-Beat 
>> him in a pile-up.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> ...nr4c. bill
>>
>>
>>> On Sep 22, 2018, at 6:39 AM, Drew AF2Z <pubx1 at af2z.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> Yes, the K3 cw pitch is easy to set tailor for hearing response and 
>>> speaker/headphone response; at least easier than the K2. For my K2 I 
>>> had written down the filter calibrations for a number of different 
>>> pitches so that I could change them on the fly while operating; I 
>>> recall it took less than a minute to dial one of them in...
>>>
>>> But if you want to adjust the pitch to suit current band conditions, 
>>> filter width and wpm speed of the station you are trying to copy, the 
>>> K3 is not easy at all.
>>>
>>> Let's assume that for any combination of these variables there is 
>>> some optimum CW pitch between 300 - 800 Hz. How do you find that 
>>> pitch for a particular CW signal? There is no easy way because 
>>> whenever you push the PITCH button you can no longer hear the station 
>>> your are trying to optimize. You would have to try every pitch 
>>> selection individually, 300, 310, 320, etc., and somehow remember 
>>> which was the best. Obviously, not a practical way to dial in the 
>>> optimum value.
>>>
>>> 73,
>>> Drew
>>> AF2Z
>>>
>>>
>>>> On 09/21/18 22:02, Erik Basilier wrote:
>>>> The ease of changing CW pitch in the K3 is indeed a great asset in 
>>>> setting
>>>> things up for best copy, and I have found myself using it quite a 
>>>> few times.
>>>> The immediate reason to change pitch has usually been a perception 
>>>> that with
>>>> the existing setting, the best copy pitch does not exactly coincide 
>>>> with the
>>>> CW tuning indicator (another great CW asset of the K3), or with the 
>>>> peak DSP
>>>> filter response. Many times this has led me to change the pitch 
>>>> setting by a
>>>> small amount, whether my general preference du jour is for a low or 
>>>> higher
>>>> pitch. To make such an adjustment I like to set a wide DSP bandwidth 
>>>> and
>>>> slowly tune through a received signal. The apparent loudness doesn't 
>>>> stay
>>>> constant, nor does it follow a smooth variation that I attribute to 
>>>> my own
>>>> hearing response. Instead I hear peaks within range of piches that 
>>>> would be
>>>> reasonable for CW, that I attribute to the speaker and its 
>>>> surroundings. (I
>>>> would say that since I went to the SP3, there is less of this 
>>>> variation, but
>>>> no matter how good the speaker, there will always be such variations 
>>>> because
>>>> objects around the speaker cause reflections. Phones will always be the
>>>> better approach....) Rather than adjusting the pitch to some value
>>>> considered ideal based no prior considerations, I set it for a peak 
>>>> in the
>>>> accoustical response of the particular speaker and its surroundings. 
>>>> Then
>>>> going back to normal DSP selectivity I generally find better agreement
>>>> between perceived loudness and centering the received signal in the
>>>> passband, at least until I move things around in the shack...
>>>> 73,
>>>> Erik K7TV
>>>> ______________________________________________________________
>>>> Elecraft mailing list
>>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
>>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
>>>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net
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>>>> Message delivered to pubx1 at af2z.net
>>>
>>> ______________________________________________________________
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>>
>>
> 
> 
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From david at aslinvc.com  Sat Sep 22 09:39:51 2018
From: david at aslinvc.com (Dave G3WGN M6O)
Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2018 06:39:51 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 DSP firmware update 'Missing'
In-Reply-To: <1537618214024-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1537618214024-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <1537623591458-0.post@n2.nabble.com>

Update: on further examination when I 'Copy new files from Elecraft' in the
utility, it responds with '2 files copied' then waits for the download. 
Clearly it must need to copy more than two files for MCU, FPF and DSP. I can
see all the needed files on the Elecraft ftp site, but the utility is not
copying the DSP 2.88 files that are there.
In case my anti-virus/anti-malware software was interfering with the copy
process, I temporarily switched it off.  No difference, still reported 2
files copied, no DSP.
73, David G3WGN M6O


Dave G3WGN M6O wrote
> Hi, hoping the Elecraft brains trust can help.  I'm updating the firmware
> on
> my K3 in preparation for the forthcoming 6Gs DXpedition to VK9X.
> Current DSP firmware is 2.86; when I 'Copy new files from Elecraft' in the
> utility, I get the latest MCU and FPF releases, but both DSP are shown as
> 'Missing' in the Available column.  The Elecraft website shows DSP release
> 2.88 as the latest. How do I get the latest DSP firmware?
> 73 David G3WGN M6O
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From ghyoungman at gmail.com  Sat Sep 22 10:07:04 2018
From: ghyoungman at gmail.com (Grant Youngman)
Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2018 10:07:04 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 DSP firmware update 'Missing'
In-Reply-To: <1537623591458-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1537618214024-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<1537623591458-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <1D18DCC2-B103-419A-8B48-9060F3DAED63@gmail.com>

Since you are looking at the FTP site, just download all of the files from there to a local folder.  Then browse to that local folder with Utility instead of having Utility do the download.

Grant NQ5T
K3 #2091 KX3 #8342

> On Sep 22, 2018, at 9:39 AM, Dave G3WGN M6O <david at aslinvc.com> wrote:
> 
> Update: on further examination when I 'Copy new files from Elecraft' in the
> utility, it responds with '2 files copied' then waits for the download. 
> Clearly it must need to copy more than two files for MCU, FPF and DSP. I can
> see all the needed files on the Elecraft ftp site, but the utility is not
> copying the DSP 2.88 files that are there.
> In case my anti-virus/anti-malware software was interfering with the copy
> process, I temporarily switched it off.  No difference, still reported 2
> files copied, no DSP.
> 73, David G3WGN M6O
> 
> 


From k9yeq at live.com  Sat Sep 22 11:19:16 2018
From: k9yeq at live.com (Bill Johnson)
Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2018 15:19:16 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 FW Ver. 1.78
In-Reply-To: <000601d45273$8482d370$8d887a50$@gmail.com>
References: <000601d45273$8482d370$8d887a50$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <SN6PR05MB42884E0546D9D52E21ED993D9C110@SN6PR05MB4288.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>

I am not seeing the firmware you mention...

73,
Bill
K9YEQ

https://wrj-tech.com/

-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On Behalf Of Ron Durie
Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2018 7:55 AM
To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 FW Ver. 1.78

THANK YOU Elecraft and all responsible for the new KPA1500 Firm Ware Ver.
1.78.  

I love the new variable peak hold mode on the metering.  It is extremely helpful.  

The KPA1500 is a wonderful amp.  

 

Ron Durie

WB4OOA

Elecraft K3S-Line

 

 

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From k9yeq at live.com  Sat Sep 22 11:20:13 2018
From: k9yeq at live.com (Bill Johnson)
Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2018 15:20:13 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 FW Ver. 1.78
In-Reply-To: <000601d45273$8482d370$8d887a50$@gmail.com>
References: <000601d45273$8482d370$8d887a50$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <SN6PR05MB42880E80DC0993A56D2C74E29C110@SN6PR05MB4288.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>

Found it.  It is Beta.

73,
Bill
K9YEQ

https://wrj-tech.com/

-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On Behalf Of Ron Durie
Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2018 7:55 AM
To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 FW Ver. 1.78

THANK YOU Elecraft and all responsible for the new KPA1500 Firm Ware Ver.
1.78.  

I love the new variable peak hold mode on the metering.  It is extremely helpful.  

The KPA1500 is a wonderful amp.  

 

Ron Durie

WB4OOA

Elecraft K3S-Line

 

 

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From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Sat Sep 22 11:27:02 2018
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2018 11:27:02 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 FW Ver. 1.78
In-Reply-To: <SN6PR05MB42884E0546D9D52E21ED993D9C110@SN6PR05MB4288.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
References: <000601d45273$8482d370$8d887a50$@gmail.com>
	<SN6PR05MB42884E0546D9D52E21ED993D9C110@SN6PR05MB4288.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <81abba34-d15e-a988-5f77-203f370c5e12@embarqmail.com>

Bill,

KPA1500 1.78 is Beta status.

Scroll down on the Firmware page to see instructions for downloading 
Beta releases.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 9/22/2018 11:19 AM, Bill Johnson wrote:
> I am not seeing the firmware you mention...
> 

From johnn1jm at gmail.com  Sat Sep 22 11:36:55 2018
From: johnn1jm at gmail.com (John_N1JM)
Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2018 08:36:55 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] New Website
In-Reply-To: <739CBC60-F3A9-4BD4-9801-EC74343D9421@gmail.com>
References: <739CBC60-F3A9-4BD4-9801-EC74343D9421@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1537630615727-0.post@n2.nabble.com>

I guess sometimes I'll never understand why a website needs to be changed. I
suppose it is like the grocery store changing where things are on the
shelves. :-)

John N1JM


Grant Youngman-2 wrote
> Apparently Elecraft is about to update their website with a new design. 
> Wonder if there will be any new K-products showcased on the new site?  :-)
> 
> Grant NQ5T
> K3 #2091 KX3 #8342
> 
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From david at aslinvc.com  Sat Sep 22 12:47:44 2018
From: david at aslinvc.com (David Aslin G3WGN)
Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2018 16:47:44 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 DSP firmware update 'Missing'
In-Reply-To: <1D18DCC2-B103-419A-8B48-9060F3DAED63@gmail.com>
References: <1537618214024-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<1537623591458-0.post@n2.nabble.com>,
	<1D18DCC2-B103-419A-8B48-9060F3DAED63@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4ad54ae01633475d8fd221a726dcf9c3@THHSTE15D2BE6.hs20.net>

Thanks Grant and several others offline. I'm now up-and-running courtesy of your suggestions. I have no idea why Utility couldn't pull the dsp firmware off the Elecraft ftp site, but could access all the firmware downloaded to a thumb drive.

So now continuing trial pack and inventory check for VK9XG...
73 David G3WGN M6O



Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.


-------- Original message --------
From: Grant Youngman <ghyoungman at gmail.com>
Date: 22/09/2018 15:07 (GMT+00:00)
To: David Aslin G3WGN <david at aslinvc.com>
Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 DSP firmware update 'Missing'

Since you are looking at the FTP site, just download all of the files from there to a local folder.  Then browse to that local folder with Utility instead of having Utility do the download.

Grant NQ5T
K3 #2091 KX3 #8342

On Sep 22, 2018, at 9:39 AM, Dave G3WGN M6O <david at aslinvc.com<mailto:david at aslinvc.com>> wrote:

Update: on further examination when I 'Copy new files from Elecraft' in the
utility, it responds with '2 files copied' then waits for the download.
Clearly it must need to copy more than two files for MCU, FPF and DSP. I can
see all the needed files on the Elecraft ftp site, but the utility is not
copying the DSP 2.88 files that are there.
In case my anti-virus/anti-malware software was interfering with the copy
process, I temporarily switched it off.  No difference, still reported 2
files copied, no DSP.
73, David G3WGN M6O




From cyaffey at gmail.com  Sat Sep 22 13:05:08 2018
From: cyaffey at gmail.com (Carl Yaffey)
Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2018 13:05:08 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 FW Ver. 1.78
In-Reply-To: <000601d45273$8482d370$8d887a50$@gmail.com>
References: <000601d45273$8482d370$8d887a50$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F409F779-D8A5-4015-AA20-5CD555390EEA@gmail.com>

The utility here is saying 1.64 is the latest. What gives?????


> On Sep 22, 2018, at 8:55 AM, Ron Durie <wb4ooa at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> THANK YOU Elecraft and all responsible for the new KPA1500 Firm Ware Ver.
> 1.78.  
> 
> I love the new variable peak hold mode on the metering.  It is extremely
> helpful.  
> 
> The KPA1500 is a wonderful amp.  
> 
> 
> 
> Ron Durie
> 
> WB4OOA
> 
> Elecraft K3S-Line
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From n3eta at coastside.net  Sat Sep 22 13:09:30 2018
From: n3eta at coastside.net (Ron Genovesi)
Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2018 10:09:30 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] New Website
In-Reply-To: <1537630615727-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <739CBC60-F3A9-4BD4-9801-EC74343D9421@gmail.com>
	<1537630615727-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <A45DD9AC-752A-455B-A629-8437405D00EA@coastside.net>

I know 
   It?s like vehicles or radios right? Why do we need new designs.
       Is that what you mean?

     Ron Genovesi
           N3ETA
Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 22, 2018, at 8:36 AM, John_N1JM <johnn1jm at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I guess sometimes I'll never understand why a website needs to be changed. I
> suppose it is like the grocery store changing where things are on the
> shelves. :-)
> 
> John N1JM
> 
> 
> Grant Youngman-2 wrote
>> Apparently Elecraft is about to update their website with a new design. 
>> Wonder if there will be any new K-products showcased on the new site?  :-)
>> 
>> Grant NQ5T
>> K3 #2091 KX3 #8342
>> 
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From dick.w7zr at gmail.com  Sat Sep 22 13:13:30 2018
From: dick.w7zr at gmail.com (Richard Zalewski)
Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2018 10:13:30 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 FW Ver. 1.78
In-Reply-To: <F409F779-D8A5-4015-AA20-5CD555390EEA@gmail.com>
References: <000601d45273$8482d370$8d887a50$@gmail.com>
	<F409F779-D8A5-4015-AA20-5CD555390EEA@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CACVQm3n=tewYqe2W-QTMyHCBRV33jy8qr9cbuyCWrz1_9bBVGQ@mail.gmail.com>

1.78 is beta


Richard
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*Be joyful in hope, patient in affliction, faithful in prayer*

On Sat, Sep 22, 2018 at 10:05 AM, Carl Yaffey <cyaffey at gmail.com> wrote:

> The utility here is saying 1.64 is the latest. What gives?????
>
>
> > On Sep 22, 2018, at 8:55 AM, Ron Durie <wb4ooa at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > THANK YOU Elecraft and all responsible for the new KPA1500 Firm Ware Ver.
> > 1.78.
> >
> > I love the new variable peak hold mode on the metering.  It is extremely
> > helpful.
> >
> > The KPA1500 is a wonderful amp.
> >
> >
> >
> > Ron Durie
> >
> > WB4OOA
> >
> > Elecraft K3S-Line
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ______________________________________________________________
> > Elecraft mailing list
> > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
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From dick at elecraft.com  Sat Sep 22 13:44:31 2018
From: dick at elecraft.com (dick at elecraft.com)
Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2018 10:44:31 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 FW Ver. 1.78
In-Reply-To: <F409F779-D8A5-4015-AA20-5CD555390EEA@gmail.com>
References: <000601d45273$8482d370$8d887a50$@gmail.com>
	<F409F779-D8A5-4015-AA20-5CD555390EEA@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <003a01d4529b$eb5965a0$c20c30e0$@elecraft.com>

About halfway down the software page on 

http://www.elecraft.com/KPA1500/kpa1500_software.htm

Look for "Beta Firmware Release Notes", about halfway down the page.

1.64 is the most recent production version.  1.78 is the most recent beta
version.

73 de Dick, K6KR

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From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On
Behalf Of Carl Yaffey
Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2018 10:05
To: Ron Durie <wb4ooa at gmail.com>
Cc: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA1500 FW Ver. 1.78

The utility here is saying 1.64 is the latest. What gives?????


> On Sep 22, 2018, at 8:55 AM, Ron Durie <wb4ooa at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> THANK YOU Elecraft and all responsible for the new KPA1500 Firm Ware Ver.
> 1.78.  
> 
> I love the new variable peak hold mode on the metering.  It is 
> extremely helpful.
> 
> The KPA1500 is a wonderful amp.  
> 
> 
> 
> Ron Durie
> 
> WB4OOA
> 
> Elecraft K3S-Line
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From mike.harris at horizon.co.fk  Sat Sep 22 13:36:22 2018
From: mike.harris at horizon.co.fk (Mike Harris)
Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2018 14:36:22 -0300
Subject: [Elecraft] New Website
In-Reply-To: <15832cb1-89c1-716b-19c1-6b9f505aea2f@horizon.co.fk>
References: <739CBC60-F3A9-4BD4-9801-EC74343D9421@gmail.com>
	<1537630615727-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<A45DD9AC-752A-455B-A629-8437405D00EA@coastside.net>
	<15832cb1-89c1-716b-19c1-6b9f505aea2f@horizon.co.fk>
Message-ID: <4a142801-5472-9c9b-6aaa-c9f3df640a5d@horizon.co.fk>

> Probably needed updating to accommodate the different display options 
> eg. phones an tablets.
> 
> In truth, over the past many years it has become rather dated and 
> clunky. I just hope it doesn't go bloat. An improvement in the online 
> order system which is a TPITA for me because it doesn't have a full 
> country list would be great. Accommodation of address formats other than 
> US style with "required" fields that for many of us don't exist.
> 
> Bring it on,
> 
> Mike VP8NO
> 
> On 22/09/2018 14:09, Ron Genovesi wrote:
>> I know
>> ??? It?s like vehicles or radios right? Why do we need new designs.
>> ??????? Is that what you mean?
>>
>> ????? Ron Genovesi
>> ??????????? N3ETA
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Sep 22, 2018, at 8:36 AM, John_N1JM <johnn1jm at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I guess sometimes I'll never understand why a website needs to be 
>>> changed. I
>>> suppose it is like the grocery store changing where things are on the
>>> shelves. :-)
>>>
>>> John N1JM
>>>

From ac5p at sbcglobal.net  Sat Sep 22 15:47:09 2018
From: ac5p at sbcglobal.net (Mike Maloney)
Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2018 19:47:09 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] Choice of CW pitch
In-Reply-To: <90e28c60-d560-5790-475b-1f924617006b@nk7z.net>
References: <02eb01d45218$49655f20$dc301d60$@cox.net>
	<ffd19b52-a8a9-20ec-a421-488ded541301@af2z.net>
	<C4A5D0EB-498C-444E-B0F9-6B275C4A0EFB@widomaker.com>
	<13d48535-7b10-adfb-40bf-f73d710d6d85@af2z.net>
	<90e28c60-d560-5790-475b-1f924617006b@nk7z.net>
Message-ID: <1395666493.870917.1537645629776@mail.yahoo.com>

I get the best response for CW pitch volume from the K3 stock speaker with my 60 degree deflector horn on top. ??The length was determined by experiment and gives a very noticeable boost at my desired pitch of 500Hz. ?
Mike? AC5P 

    On Saturday, September 22, 2018 8:38 AM, Dave Cole (NK7Z) <dave at nk7z.net> wrote:
 

 I had a hearing test a year, or two ago.? I looked at the test results 
and selected a frequency, looking for good response in both ears.? I 
then adjusted the K3 beat note to that frequency, which put the 
frequency of the beat tone in the sweet spot for my ears...? It also in 
general got most stations I was working at that frequency.

It made a noticeable difference for the better in weak signal decoding 
for CW for me...? YMMV.

73s and thanks,
Dave (NK7Z/NNR0DC)
https://www.nk7z.net
ARRL Technical Specialist
ARRL Volunteer Examiner
ARRL OOC for Oregon

On 9/22/18 4:40 AM, Drew AF2Z wrote:
> When you've got a weak signal peaked in a narrow filter or APF, that's 
> the time you'd like to optimize the pitch. Adjusting the VFO/RIT for a 
> different pitch is not really an option at that point.
> 
> You're right though, PITCH as implemented is mainly meant to pick your 
> favorite tone and pretty much stick with it; not for trimming up 
> individual signals like you would with AF/RF gain.
> 
> 73,
> Drew
> AF2Z
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 09/22/18 07:11, Nr4c wrote:
>> Come on!!!
>>
>> I adjust the ?pitch? to suit my hearing. The pitch of the incoming 
>> station is adjusted by the VFO!? The ?Spot? button will get you close 
>> to Zero-Beat. A little XIT will separate you from others who Zero-Beat 
>> him in a pile-up.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> ...nr4c. bill
>>
>>
>>> On Sep 22, 2018, at 6:39 AM, Drew AF2Z <pubx1 at af2z.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> Yes, the K3 cw pitch is easy to set tailor for hearing response and 
>>> speaker/headphone response; at least easier than the K2. For my K2 I 
>>> had written down the filter calibrations for a number of different 
>>> pitches so that I could change them on the fly while operating; I 
>>> recall it took less than a minute to dial one of them in...
>>>
>>> But if you want to adjust the pitch to suit current band conditions, 
>>> filter width and wpm speed of the station you are trying to copy, the 
>>> K3 is not easy at all.
>>>
>>> Let's assume that for any combination of these variables there is 
>>> some optimum CW pitch between 300 - 800 Hz. How do you find that 
>>> pitch for a particular CW signal? There is no easy way because 
>>> whenever you push the PITCH button you can no longer hear the station 
>>> your are trying to optimize. You would have to try every pitch 
>>> selection individually, 300, 310, 320, etc., and somehow remember 
>>> which was the best. Obviously, not a practical way to dial in the 
>>> optimum value.
>>>
>>> 73,
>>> Drew
>>> AF2Z
>>>
>>>
>>>> On 09/21/18 22:02, Erik Basilier wrote:
>>>> The ease of changing CW pitch in the K3 is indeed a great asset in 
>>>> setting
>>>> things up for best copy, and I have found myself using it quite a 
>>>> few times.
>>>> The immediate reason to change pitch has usually been a perception 
>>>> that with
>>>> the existing setting, the best copy pitch does not exactly coincide 
>>>> with the
>>>> CW tuning indicator (another great CW asset of the K3), or with the 
>>>> peak DSP
>>>> filter response. Many times this has led me to change the pitch 
>>>> setting by a
>>>> small amount, whether my general preference du jour is for a low or 
>>>> higher
>>>> pitch. To make such an adjustment I like to set a wide DSP bandwidth 
>>>> and
>>>> slowly tune through a received signal. The apparent loudness doesn't 
>>>> stay
>>>> constant, nor does it follow a smooth variation that I attribute to 
>>>> my own
>>>> hearing response. Instead I hear peaks within range of piches that 
>>>> would be
>>>> reasonable for CW, that I attribute to the speaker and its 
>>>> surroundings. (I
>>>> would say that since I went to the SP3, there is less of this 
>>>> variation, but
>>>> no matter how good the speaker, there will always be such variations 
>>>> because
>>>> objects around the speaker cause reflections. Phones will always be the
>>>> better approach....) Rather than adjusting the pitch to some value
>>>> considered ideal based no prior considerations, I set it for a peak 
>>>> in the
>>>> accoustical response of the particular speaker and its surroundings. 
>>>> Then
>>>> going back to normal DSP selectivity I generally find better agreement
>>>> between perceived loudness and centering the received signal in the
>>>> passband, at least until I move things around in the shack...
>>>> 73,
>>>> Erik K7TV
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From graziano at roccon.com  Sat Sep 22 17:58:29 2018
From: graziano at roccon.com (graziano at roccon.com)
Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2018 23:58:29 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] New Website
In-Reply-To: <4a142801-5472-9c9b-6aaa-c9f3df640a5d@horizon.co.fk>
References: <739CBC60-F3A9-4BD4-9801-EC74343D9421@gmail.com>
	<1537630615727-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<A45DD9AC-752A-455B-A629-8437405D00EA@coastside.net>
	<15832cb1-89c1-716b-19c1-6b9f505aea2f@horizon.co.fk>
	<4a142801-5472-9c9b-6aaa-c9f3df640a5d@horizon.co.fk>
Message-ID: <e949d10ecc60a8f2cc5fb251000623b6@roccon.com>

A refresh of the site is a good idea... i am sorry only because now i 
know very well in deep the actual Elecraft site and i can find 
everything i need in a second :-)
Anyway, let's see what will arrive.

73's de iw2noy Graziano


Il 2018-09-22 19:36 Mike Harris via Elecraft ha scritto:
>> Probably needed updating to accommodate the different display options 
>> eg. phones an tablets.
>> 
>> In truth, over the past many years it has become rather dated and 
>> clunky. I just hope it doesn't go bloat. An improvement in the online 
>> order system which is a TPITA for me because it doesn't have a full 
>> country list would be great. Accommodation of address formats other 
>> than US style with "required" fields that for many of us don't exist.
>> 
>> Bring it on,
>> 
>> Mike VP8NO
>> 
>> On 22/09/2018 14:09, Ron Genovesi wrote:
>>> I know
>>> ??? It?s like vehicles or radios right? Why do we need new designs.
>>> ??????? Is that what you mean?
>>> 
>>> ????? Ron Genovesi
>>> ??????????? N3ETA
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Sep 22, 2018, at 8:36 AM, John_N1JM <johnn1jm at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I guess sometimes I'll never understand why a website needs to be 
>>>> changed. I
>>>> suppose it is like the grocery store changing where things are on 
>>>> the
>>>> shelves. :-)
>>>> 
>>>> John N1JM
>>>> 
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From w5xb at att.net  Sat Sep 22 18:05:47 2018
From: w5xb at att.net (Grant Bright W5XB)
Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2018 18:05:47 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 PA3 not working
Message-ID: <mailman.44.1537653954.3447.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>

Hello All,

 

Just received a new to me K3. Love all the features and ease of operation!

 

Checking it out this afternoon, transmitting into a good swr, at 12 watts or
less, the output shows 12 watts and 1.2 SWR

 

Turned up to 100 watts, the output shows 1 watt and no swr. Power supply
voltage and current no issue.

 

Question: Does the 10 watt output and the PA3 share the same circuit for
return power (SWR) or are they different?

 

All help appreciated.

 

Please email to w5xb at att.net

 

Many thanks, Grant, W5XB

 

 


From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Sat Sep 22 18:36:52 2018
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2018 18:36:52 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 PA3 not working
In-Reply-To: <20180922220720.AF2DD149B08A@mailman.qth.net>
References: <20180922220720.AF2DD149B08A@mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID: <e85c7612-719d-afca-ad7b-bce9d7cf0458@embarqmail.com>

Grant,

Yes, the K3 uses the same power and SWR sensing for less than 12 watts 
and greater than 12 watts.

It sounds like you have a non-functioning KPA3.
You might want to check with an external wattmeter to be certain.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 9/22/2018 6:05 PM, Grant Bright W5XB wrote:
> Hello All,
> 
> Just received a new to me K3. Love all the features and ease of operation!
> 
> Checking it out this afternoon, transmitting into a good swr, at 12 watts or
> less, the output shows 12 watts and 1.2 SWR
> 
> Turned up to 100 watts, the output shows 1 watt and no swr. Power supply
> voltage and current no issue.
> 
> Question: Does the 10 watt output and the PA3 share the same circuit for
> return power (SWR) or are they different?

From w5xb at att.net  Sat Sep 22 18:53:33 2018
From: w5xb at att.net (Grant Bright W5XB)
Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2018 18:53:33 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 PA3 not working
In-Reply-To: <e85c7612-719d-afca-ad7b-bce9d7cf0458@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <mailman.45.1537656825.3447.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>

Many thanks Don,

Good to know...the tx does ok at 12 watts, but when you turn the power up
(hear the click), the power drops off to zero, and the swr disappear.

I have a good Collins wattmeter, that shows the 12 watts fine...but I do
have a dummy load. I'll have one tomorrow and try doing a calibration with
the utility.

If it is the KPA3, I hope I can pull it and send just it to Elecraft. I'll
call Monday about that.

Many thanks for your help.

73, Grant, W5XB



-----Original Message-----
From: Don Wilhelm [mailto:donwilh at embarqmail.com] 
Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2018 6:37 PM
To: Grant Bright W5XB; elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 PA3 not working

Grant,

Yes, the K3 uses the same power and SWR sensing for less than 12 watts 
and greater than 12 watts.

It sounds like you have a non-functioning KPA3.
You might want to check with an external wattmeter to be certain.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 9/22/2018 6:05 PM, Grant Bright W5XB wrote:
> Hello All,
> 
> Just received a new to me K3. Love all the features and ease of operation!
> 
> Checking it out this afternoon, transmitting into a good swr, at 12 watts
or
> less, the output shows 12 watts and 1.2 SWR
> 
> Turned up to 100 watts, the output shows 1 watt and no swr. Power supply
> voltage and current no issue.
> 
> Question: Does the 10 watt output and the PA3 share the same circuit for
> return power (SWR) or are they different?


From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Sat Sep 22 19:06:58 2018
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2018 19:06:58 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 PA3 not working
In-Reply-To: <78.E1.27508.2F7C6AB5@mx07.onyx.dfw.sync.lan>
References: <78.E1.27508.2F7C6AB5@mx07.onyx.dfw.sync.lan>
Message-ID: <c6d944d6-bc99-2888-bdf0-c2b99c6d7ae5@embarqmail.com>

Grant,

Better than calling sales, email support at elecraft.com and ask for an RSA 
number.
Do not send anything until you have the RSA number and shipping 
instructions.? Shipping without that paperwork will only confuse things 
in the repair process.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 9/22/2018 6:53 PM, Grant Bright W5XB wrote:
> Many thanks Don,
>
> Good to know...the tx does ok at 12 watts, but when you turn the power up
> (hear the click), the power drops off to zero, and the swr disappear.
>
> I have a good Collins wattmeter, that shows the 12 watts fine...but I do
> have a dummy load. I'll have one tomorrow and try doing a calibration with
> the utility.
>
> If it is the KPA3, I hope I can pull it and send just it to Elecraft. I'll
> call Monday about that.
>
> Many thanks for your help.
>
> 73, Grant, W5XB
>
>


From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Sat Sep 22 19:10:30 2018
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2018 19:10:30 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 PA3 not working
In-Reply-To: <78.E1.27508.2F7C6AB5@mx07.onyx.dfw.sync.lan>
References: <78.E1.27508.2F7C6AB5@mx07.onyx.dfw.sync.lan>
Message-ID: <ece5fae3-9652-8630-efc0-7c74029f837d@embarqmail.com>

Grant,

I might also add that the wattmeter needs some forward power to compute 
the SWR from the reverse power.
So if there is no forward power, the SWR will be reported as 1:1.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 9/22/2018 6:53 PM, Grant Bright W5XB wrote:
> Many thanks Don,
>
> Good to know...the tx does ok at 12 watts, but when you turn the power up
> (hear the click), the power drops off to zero, and the swr disappear.
>
> I have a good Collins wattmeter, that shows the 12 watts fine...but I do
> have a dummy load. I'll have one tomorrow and try doing a calibration with
> the utility.
>
> If it is the KPA3, I hope I can pull it and send just it to Elecraft. I'll
> call Monday about that.
>
> Many thanks for your help.
>
> 73, Grant, W5XB
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Don Wilhelm [mailto:donwilh at embarqmail.com]
> Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2018 6:37 PM
> To: Grant Bright W5XB; elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 PA3 not working
>
> Grant,
>
> Yes, the K3 uses the same power and SWR sensing for less than 12 watts
> and greater than 12 watts.
>
> It sounds like you have a non-functioning KPA3.
> You might want to check with an external wattmeter to be certain.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 9/22/2018 6:05 PM, Grant Bright W5XB wrote:
>> Hello All,
>>
>> Just received a new to me K3. Love all the features and ease of operation!
>>
>> Checking it out this afternoon, transmitting into a good swr, at 12 watts
> or
>> less, the output shows 12 watts and 1.2 SWR
>>
>> Turned up to 100 watts, the output shows 1 watt and no swr. Power supply
>> voltage and current no issue.
>>
>> Question: Does the 10 watt output and the PA3 share the same circuit for
>> return power (SWR) or are they different?
>


From k9jri at mac.com  Sat Sep 22 19:14:08 2018
From: k9jri at mac.com (Michael Blake)
Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2018 19:14:08 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 PA3 not working
In-Reply-To: <c6d944d6-bc99-2888-bdf0-c2b99c6d7ae5@embarqmail.com>
References: <78.E1.27508.2F7C6AB5@mx07.onyx.dfw.sync.lan>
	<c6d944d6-bc99-2888-bdf0-c2b99c6d7ae5@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <7CD1C3E7-A476-43F0-B5A1-2EB1B31B590C@mac.com>

Is the resettable 2A circuit breaker worth checking first?


Mike - K9JRI






> On Sep 22, 2018, at 7:06 PM, Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Grant,
> 
> Better than calling sales, email support at elecraft.com and ask for an RSA number.
> Do not send anything until you have the RSA number and shipping instructions.  Shipping without that paperwork will only confuse things in the repair process.
> 
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
> 
> On 9/22/2018 6:53 PM, Grant Bright W5XB wrote:
>> Many thanks Don,
>> 
>> Good to know...the tx does ok at 12 watts, but when you turn the power up
>> (hear the click), the power drops off to zero, and the swr disappear.
>> 
>> I have a good Collins wattmeter, that shows the 12 watts fine...but I do
>> have a dummy load. I'll have one tomorrow and try doing a calibration with
>> the utility.
>> 
>> If it is the KPA3, I hope I can pull it and send just it to Elecraft. I'll
>> call Monday about that.
>> 
>> Many thanks for your help.
>> 
>> 73, Grant, W5XB
>> 
>> 
> 
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From c-hawley at illinois.edu  Sat Sep 22 19:36:58 2018
From: c-hawley at illinois.edu (hawley, charles j jr)
Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2018 23:36:58 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 PA3 not working
In-Reply-To: <7CD1C3E7-A476-43F0-B5A1-2EB1B31B590C@mac.com>
References: <78.E1.27508.2F7C6AB5@mx07.onyx.dfw.sync.lan>
	<c6d944d6-bc99-2888-bdf0-c2b99c6d7ae5@embarqmail.com>,
	<7CD1C3E7-A476-43F0-B5A1-2EB1B31B590C@mac.com>
Message-ID: <3AC65CA8-C8F7-4279-8233-04F3E4434A78@illinois.edu>

Occam again...

Chuck Jack 
KE9UW

Sent from my iPhone, cjack 

> On Sep 22, 2018, at 6:15 PM, Michael Blake via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
> 
> Is the resettable 2A circuit breaker worth checking first?
> 
> 
> Mike - K9JRI
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Sep 22, 2018, at 7:06 PM, Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Grant,
>> 
>> Better than calling sales, email support at elecraft.com and ask for an RSA number.
>> Do not send anything until you have the RSA number and shipping instructions.  Shipping without that paperwork will only confuse things in the repair process.
>> 
>> 73,
>> Don W3FPR
>> 
>>> On 9/22/2018 6:53 PM, Grant Bright W5XB wrote:
>>> Many thanks Don,
>>> 
>>> Good to know...the tx does ok at 12 watts, but when you turn the power up
>>> (hear the click), the power drops off to zero, and the swr disappear.
>>> 
>>> I have a good Collins wattmeter, that shows the 12 watts fine...but I do
>>> have a dummy load. I'll have one tomorrow and try doing a calibration with
>>> the utility.
>>> 
>>> If it is the KPA3, I hope I can pull it and send just it to Elecraft. I'll
>>> call Monday about that.
>>> 
>>> Many thanks for your help.
>>> 
>>> 73, Grant, W5XB
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
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From k6dgw at foothill.net  Sat Sep 22 19:40:21 2018
From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen)
Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2018 16:40:21 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Choice of CW pitch
In-Reply-To: <C4A5D0EB-498C-444E-B0F9-6B275C4A0EFB@widomaker.com>
References: <02eb01d45218$49655f20$dc301d60$@cox.net>
	<ffd19b52-a8a9-20ec-a421-488ded541301@af2z.net>
	<C4A5D0EB-498C-444E-B0F9-6B275C4A0EFB@widomaker.com>
Message-ID: <bd34075f-6a82-0f6d-83c0-c32431b65fa0@foothill.net>

Is the center frequency of the K3 Audio Peaking Filter adjustable?? I 
didn't think so but honestly don't really know.

The coast marine station I worked at in 56/57 supplied 1 Khz [well 1 Kc 
in those days] sidetone to each position.? It was higher than most 
liked, we had receivers to listen to our TX channel and most used them.? 
Something more comforting about hearing your own signal rather than a 
disembodied concoction from the RX site.? The older I get, the lower my 
sidetone goes. [:=)

73,

Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

On 9/22/2018 4:11 AM, Nr4c wrote:
> Come on!!!
>
> I adjust the ?pitch? to suit my hearing. The pitch of the incoming station is adjusted by the VFO!  The ?Spot? button will get you close to Zero-Beat. A little XIT will separate you from others who Zero-Beat him in a pile-up.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
> ...nr4c. bill
>


From n6kr at elecraft.com  Sat Sep 22 19:45:08 2018
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2018 16:45:08 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Choice of CW pitch
In-Reply-To: <bd34075f-6a82-0f6d-83c0-c32431b65fa0@foothill.net>
References: <02eb01d45218$49655f20$dc301d60$@cox.net>
	<ffd19b52-a8a9-20ec-a421-488ded541301@af2z.net>
	<C4A5D0EB-498C-444E-B0F9-6B275C4A0EFB@widomaker.com>
	<bd34075f-6a82-0f6d-83c0-c32431b65fa0@foothill.net>
Message-ID: <A6ED13DB-52A9-416C-987C-A4A2611595FC@elecraft.com>

The center frequency of the audio peaking filter tracks the side tone pitch (PITCH control). So does the receive filter center frequency. 

Wayne
N6KR

----
http://www.elecraft.com

> On Sep 22, 2018, at 4:40 PM, Fred Jensen <k6dgw at foothill.net> wrote:
> 
> Is the center frequency of the K3 Audio Peaking Filter adjustable?  I didn't think so but honestly don't really know.
> 
> The coast marine station I worked at in 56/57 supplied 1 Khz [well 1 Kc in those days] sidetone to each position.  It was higher than most liked, we had receivers to listen to our TX channel and most used them.  Something more comforting about hearing your own signal rather than a disembodied concoction from the RX site.  The older I get, the lower my sidetone goes. [:=)
> 
> 73,
> 
> Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
> Sparks NV DM09dn
> Washoe County
> 
>> On 9/22/2018 4:11 AM, Nr4c wrote:
>> Come on!!!
>> 
>> I adjust the ?pitch? to suit my hearing. The pitch of the incoming station is adjusted by the VFO!  The ?Spot? button will get you close to Zero-Beat. A little XIT will separate you from others who Zero-Beat him in a pile-up.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> ...nr4c. bill
> 
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From k6dgw at foothill.net  Sat Sep 22 19:48:12 2018
From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen)
Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2018 16:48:12 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] New Website
In-Reply-To: <4a142801-5472-9c9b-6aaa-c9f3df640a5d@horizon.co.fk>
References: <739CBC60-F3A9-4BD4-9801-EC74343D9421@gmail.com>
	<1537630615727-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<A45DD9AC-752A-455B-A629-8437405D00EA@coastside.net>
	<15832cb1-89c1-716b-19c1-6b9f505aea2f@horizon.co.fk>
	<4a142801-5472-9c9b-6aaa-c9f3df640a5d@horizon.co.fk>
Message-ID: <ecffcd2c-5013-4eae-52aa-1c2c4d001654@foothill.net>

Websites are a lot like legislatures or parliaments ... every now and 
then, they need to be rebuilt.? The Elecraft website has served well for 
many years.? Possibly a little cluttered now.? I hope they use familiar 
nouns for category headings.? When ARRL rebuilt theirs, it to me awhile 
to figure out what was included in "On The Air."? Colorblind here so I'm 
also hoping they don't bury a lot of meaning in color schemes.

73,

Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

On 9/22/2018 10:36 AM, Mike Harris via Elecraft wrote:
>> Probably needed updating to accommodate the different display options 
>> eg. phones an tablets.
>>
>> In truth, over the past many years it has become rather dated and 
>> clunky. I just hope it doesn't go bloat. An improvement in the online 
>> order system which is a TPITA for me because it doesn't have a full 
>> country list would be great. Accommodation of address formats other 
>> than US style with "required" fields that for many of us don't exist.
>>
>> Bring it on,
>>
>> Mike VP8NO


From ve3iay at gmail.com  Sat Sep 22 20:01:20 2018
From: ve3iay at gmail.com (Richard Ferch)
Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2018 20:01:20 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 PA3 not working
Message-ID: <CAJ-xeHk3BDsvv5V26Jd5MGer=xBsfyBa_SBx6DmzKCkUomhGhg@mail.gmail.com>

Surely the first thing to check would be the CONFIG:KPA3 setting, wouldn't
it? If it is NOT INST, change it to PA NOR.

73,
Rich VE3KI

Occam again...

Chuck Jack
KE9UW

Sent from my iPhone, cjack

> On Sep 22, 2018, at 6:15 PM, Michael Blake via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> \
> wrote:
> Is the resettable 2A circuit breaker worth checking first?
>
>
> Mike - K9JRI
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Sep 22, 2018, at 7:06 PM, Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Grant,
> >
> > Better than calling sales, email support at elecraft.com and ask for an RSA number.
> > Do not send anything until you have the RSA number and shipping instructions.  \
> > Shipping without that paperwork will only confuse things in the repair process.
> > 73,
> > Don W3FPR
> >
> > > On 9/22/2018 6:53 PM, Grant Bright W5XB wrote:
> > > Many thanks Don,
> > >
> > > Good to know...the tx does ok at 12 watts, but when you turn the power up
> > > (hear the click), the power drops off to zero, and the swr disappear.
> > >
> > > I have a good Collins wattmeter, that shows the 12 watts fine...but I do
> > > have a dummy load. I'll have one tomorrow and try doing a calibration with
> > > the utility.
> > >
> > > If it is the KPA3, I hope I can pull it and send just it to Elecraft. I'll
> > > call Monday about that.
> > >
> > > Many thanks for your help.
> > >
> > > 73, Grant, W5XB
> > >
> > >
> >

From k6dgw at foothill.net  Sat Sep 22 20:27:05 2018
From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen)
Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2018 17:27:05 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Choice of CW pitch
In-Reply-To: <A6ED13DB-52A9-416C-987C-A4A2611595FC@elecraft.com>
References: <02eb01d45218$49655f20$dc301d60$@cox.net>
	<ffd19b52-a8a9-20ec-a421-488ded541301@af2z.net>
	<C4A5D0EB-498C-444E-B0F9-6B275C4A0EFB@widomaker.com>
	<bd34075f-6a82-0f6d-83c0-c32431b65fa0@foothill.net>
	<A6ED13DB-52A9-416C-987C-A4A2611595FC@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <1205c6d2-8b48-ff01-1cc1-77127591a1c8@foothill.net>

OK, that explains why what I've been doing has been working!? I set the 
sidetone pitch I want and leave it alone.? Everything else seems to work 
out fine.? I do have my RXEQ set to reduce higher and lower frequencies 
but the RXEQ is pretty broad and probably isn't contributing much 
regardless of my PITCH setting. I thought for awhile that that also 
improved the operation of the CWT indicator but finally decided I was 
just making up fake news in my head. [:=)

73,

Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

On 9/22/2018 4:45 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
> The center frequency of the audio peaking filter tracks the side tone pitch (PITCH control). So does the receive filter center frequency.
>
> Wayne
> N6KR
>


From jimk0xu at gmail.com  Sat Sep 22 20:47:31 2018
From: jimk0xu at gmail.com (Jim Rhodes)
Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2018 19:47:31 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] New Website
In-Reply-To: <1537630615727-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <739CBC60-F3A9-4BD4-9801-EC74343D9421@gmail.com>
	<1537630615727-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <CALhxr4ZHhsHamwv0J94umh9syBBOZ6bJTC-9ai9ka=SM26z7+w@mail.gmail.com>

John, are you still wearing the same clothes you were 20 years ago? Still
driving the same car? Still using the same rig?

On Sat, Sep 22, 2018 at 10:37 AM John_N1JM <johnn1jm at gmail.com> wrote:

> I guess sometimes I'll never understand why a website needs to be changed.
> I
> suppose it is like the grocery store changing where things are on the
> shelves. :-)
>
> John N1JM
>
>
> Grant Youngman-2 wrote
> > Apparently Elecraft is about to update their website with a new design.
> > Wonder if there will be any new K-products showcased on the new site?
> :-)
> >
> > Grant NQ5T
> > K3 #2091 KX3 #8342
> >
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From kevinr at coho.net  Sat Sep 22 23:23:58 2018
From: kevinr at coho.net (kevinr)
Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2018 20:23:58 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Announcement
Message-ID: <7b80b9f0-e572-e59c-6915-cd2ddb1d6ada@coho.net>

Good Evening,

 ?? While scouting out trees to thin I found a number of new elk 
trails.? One poor alder tree had very little bark on the lower four feet 
of its trunk.? They like the alder thickets when they grow larger than 
about six inches in diameter.? The lower branches die off and a nice 
sleeping area forms.? It's also a good place for cedar and hemlock to 
get a start.? Douglas fir likes a lot of sun so they compete for 
openings in the canopy.? Cedar and hemlock like it moister and well 
shaded when they sprout.

 ?? There was a period of solar wind activity this week so there are 
some ions floating around.? Maybe there will be enough of them left for 
the nets.? I am going to move the forty meter net frequency a bit higher 
to 7047 kHz.? This may eliminate some of the QRM.? If that doesn't work 
I'll need to find something else to try.? Luckily the bands are pretty 
quiet other than the thunderstorms over the plains.

Please join us tomorrow on:

14050 kHz at 2200z Sunday (3 PM PDT Sunday)
 ? 7047 kHz at 0000z Monday (5 PM PDT Sunday)

73,
Kevin. KD5ONS

_


From jimk0xu at gmail.com  Sun Sep 23 00:07:43 2018
From: jimk0xu at gmail.com (Jim Rhodes)
Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2018 23:07:43 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] New Website
In-Reply-To: <1537630615727-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <739CBC60-F3A9-4BD4-9801-EC74343D9421@gmail.com>
	<1537630615727-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <CALhxr4aWtdAgD6Y_KrXD_GRWc78omLW6D9AowgoVncfk2nCbeA@mail.gmail.com>

John, seriously this time (was on my way to a hamfest earlier). Over time
changes are made to a web site software as items are added, subtracted,
changed or just messed up by accident. There comes a time when it just
makes more sense to just either start from scratch or do a major overhaul
and change all around.  New things have been added where old things were
located or errors have creeped in in unknown places. Or the original author
has moved on. You can only make so many changes before you just have to
clean things up.

Jim Rhodes
K0XU

On Sat, Sep 22, 2018, 10:37 John_N1JM <johnn1jm at gmail.com> wrote:

> I guess sometimes I'll never understand why a website needs to be changed.
> I
> suppose it is like the grocery store changing where things are on the
> shelves. :-)
>
> John N1JM
>
>
> Grant Youngman-2 wrote
> > Apparently Elecraft is about to update their website with a new design.
> > Wonder if there will be any new K-products showcased on the new site?
> :-)
> >
> > Grant NQ5T
> > K3 #2091 KX3 #8342
> >
> > ______________________________________________________________
> > Elecraft mailing list
> > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
> > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
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From pincon at erols.com  Sun Sep 23 07:38:36 2018
From: pincon at erols.com (Charlie T)
Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2018 07:38:36 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] New Website
In-Reply-To: <CALhxr4aWtdAgD6Y_KrXD_GRWc78omLW6D9AowgoVncfk2nCbeA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <739CBC60-F3A9-4BD4-9801-EC74343D9421@gmail.com>	<1537630615727-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<CALhxr4aWtdAgD6Y_KrXD_GRWc78omLW6D9AowgoVncfk2nCbeA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000b01d45331$fa45d350$eed179f0$@erols.com>

Bands must be dead if all we can find to talk about are the pro's & con's of
a new website design......

Hey, eventually, I'll have to learn how to drive an automatic (CVT?)
automobile instead of a cog-swapper.

73, Charlie k3ICH






From jstengrevics at comcast.net  Sun Sep 23 09:43:16 2018
From: jstengrevics at comcast.net (John Stengrevics)
Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2018 09:43:16 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Using A 6 Meter LNA & Amplifier with the K3S
Message-ID: <A8C85041-42B6-4A4F-A762-0A3BD1624C57@comcast.net>

I am installing an LNA at the feed point of my 6 meter antenna.  I also drive a W6PQL amplifier.

My reading of the manual, and Fred Cady?s book, suggests that no external ALC is necessary to protect the LNA.  Can someone using a similar set-up confirm this?  Or, suggest a procedure to follow if my interpretation is incorrect?

Thanks,

John
WA1EAZ

From jstengrevics at comcast.net  Sun Sep 23 10:58:31 2018
From: jstengrevics at comcast.net (John Stengrevics)
Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2018 10:58:31 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Using A 6 Meter LNA & Amplifier with the K3S
Message-ID: <11A25832-26C7-4DCF-A86A-A5975B8AD260@comcast.net>

My apologies - I should have added that I am using a Downeast Microwave DTR relay to take the LNA out of the line when voltage applied to the relay drops as a result of transmission.

73,

John
WA1EAZ

From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Sun Sep 23 11:12:30 2018
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2018 11:12:30 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Using A 6 Meter LNA & Amplifier with the K3S
In-Reply-To: <11A25832-26C7-4DCF-A86A-A5975B8AD260@comcast.net>
References: <11A25832-26C7-4DCF-A86A-A5975B8AD260@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <ad0d4309-0665-ece6-0619-fce1f66ba2d0@embarqmail.com>

John,

I do not understand how the amplifier or the ALC could protect the LNA.
I assume the LNA is only used on receive, so if you have good sequencing 
between receive and transmit, no damage could occur.
ALC is only applicable to transmit, and Elecraft does not recommend 
using ALC to limit the drive to the amplifier.  Set the power to the amp 
properly and all will be well.
Using ALC to control the exciter power is a bad way to do things, it 
will only lead to distortion and spurious emissions from the amplifier.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 9/23/2018 10:58 AM, John Stengrevics wrote:
> My apologies - I should have added that I am using a Downeast Microwave DTR relay to take the LNA out of the line when voltage applied to the relay drops as a result of transmission.
> 

From jstengrevics at comcast.net  Sun Sep 23 11:29:13 2018
From: jstengrevics at comcast.net (John Stengrevics)
Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2018 11:29:13 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Using A 6 Meter LNA & Amplifier with the K3S
In-Reply-To: <ad0d4309-0665-ece6-0619-fce1f66ba2d0@embarqmail.com>
References: <11A25832-26C7-4DCF-A86A-A5975B8AD260@comcast.net>
	<ad0d4309-0665-ece6-0619-fce1f66ba2d0@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <5D101F83-9E1B-4F41-BE5C-C51D846FA23D@comcast.net>

Hi Don,

That was timely as I just got off Skype with Jim, W6PQL.  He mentioned that the ALC should be held high for some milliseconds to allow for the amp?s relays to switch over thereby protecting the LNA.

Since the K3S works differently than most, he suggested that I look for an RF Hold-Off setting on the K3S and set it for around 50 milliseconds.  That being said, I don?t see that in the manual or in Fred?s book.  Any suggestions?

73,

John
WA1EAZ

> On Sep 23, 2018, at 11:12 AM, Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com> wrote:
> 
> John,
> 
> I do not understand how the amplifier or the ALC could protect the LNA.
> I assume the LNA is only used on receive, so if you have good sequencing between receive and transmit, no damage could occur.
> ALC is only applicable to transmit, and Elecraft does not recommend using ALC to limit the drive to the amplifier.  Set the power to the amp properly and all will be well.
> Using ALC to control the exciter power is a bad way to do things, it will only lead to distortion and spurious emissions from the amplifier.
> 
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
> 
> On 9/23/2018 10:58 AM, John Stengrevics wrote:
>> My apologies - I should have added that I am using a Downeast Microwave DTR relay to take the LNA out of the line when voltage applied to the relay drops as a result of transmission.


From jasimmons at pinewooddata.com  Sun Sep 23 11:53:58 2018
From: jasimmons at pinewooddata.com (John Simmons)
Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2018 10:53:58 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Using A 6 Meter LNA & Amplifier with the K3S
In-Reply-To: <5D101F83-9E1B-4F41-BE5C-C51D846FA23D@comcast.net>
References: <11A25832-26C7-4DCF-A86A-A5975B8AD260@comcast.net>
	<ad0d4309-0665-ece6-0619-fce1f66ba2d0@embarqmail.com>
	<5D101F83-9E1B-4F41-BE5C-C51D846FA23D@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <8272130c-3452-7cec-8541-2fd47499aedf@pinewooddata.com>

I think it is called TX DELAY. I know the setting is in there.

-John NI0K

John Stengrevics wrote on 9/23/2018 10:29 AM:
> Hi Don,
>
> That was timely as I just got off Skype with Jim, W6PQL.  He mentioned that the ALC should be held high for some milliseconds to allow for the amp?s relays to switch over thereby protecting the LNA.
>
> Since the K3S works differently than most, he suggested that I look for an RF Hold-Off setting on the K3S and set it for around 50 milliseconds.  That being said, I don?t see that in the manual or in Fred?s book.  Any suggestions?
>
> 73,
>
> John
> WA1EAZ
>
>> On Sep 23, 2018, at 11:12 AM, Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> John,
>>
>> I do not understand how the amplifier or the ALC could protect the LNA.
>> I assume the LNA is only used on receive, so if you have good sequencing between receive and transmit, no damage could occur.
>> ALC is only applicable to transmit, and Elecraft does not recommend using ALC to limit the drive to the amplifier.  Set the power to the amp properly and all will be well.
>> Using ALC to control the exciter power is a bad way to do things, it will only lead to distortion and spurious emissions from the amplifier.
>>
>> 73,
>> Don W3FPR
>>
>> On 9/23/2018 10:58 AM, John Stengrevics wrote:
>>> My apologies - I should have added that I am using a Downeast Microwave DTR relay to take the LNA out of the line when voltage applied to the relay drops as a result of transmission.
> ______________________________________________________________
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> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
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>
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From jstengrevics at comcast.net  Sun Sep 23 11:57:42 2018
From: jstengrevics at comcast.net (John Stengrevics)
Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2018 11:57:42 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Using A 6 Meter LNA & Amplifier with the K3S
In-Reply-To: <8272130c-3452-7cec-8541-2fd47499aedf@pinewooddata.com>
References: <11A25832-26C7-4DCF-A86A-A5975B8AD260@comcast.net>
	<ad0d4309-0665-ece6-0619-fce1f66ba2d0@embarqmail.com>
	<5D101F83-9E1B-4F41-BE5C-C51D846FA23D@comcast.net>
	<8272130c-3452-7cec-8541-2fd47499aedf@pinewooddata.com>
Message-ID: <6BAAD966-7E82-454A-98B4-CD694CE79599@comcast.net>

Hi John,

Aha!  I see that now.  OK, I will follow the instruction in Fred?s book to set this.

Thanks & 73,

John
WA1EAZ

> On Sep 23, 2018, at 11:53 AM, John Simmons <jasimmons at pinewooddata.com> wrote:
> 
> I think it is called TX DELAY. I know the setting is in there.
> 
> -John NI0K
> 
> John Stengrevics wrote on 9/23/2018 10:29 AM:
>> Hi Don,
>> 
>> That was timely as I just got off Skype with Jim, W6PQL.  He mentioned that the ALC should be held high for some milliseconds to allow for the amp?s relays to switch over thereby protecting the LNA.
>> 
>> Since the K3S works differently than most, he suggested that I look for an RF Hold-Off setting on the K3S and set it for around 50 milliseconds.  That being said, I don?t see that in the manual or in Fred?s book.  Any suggestions?
>> 
>> 73,
>> 
>> John
>> WA1EAZ
>> 
>>> On Sep 23, 2018, at 11:12 AM, Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> John,
>>> 
>>> I do not understand how the amplifier or the ALC could protect the LNA.
>>> I assume the LNA is only used on receive, so if you have good sequencing between receive and transmit, no damage could occur.
>>> ALC is only applicable to transmit, and Elecraft does not recommend using ALC to limit the drive to the amplifier.  Set the power to the amp properly and all will be well.
>>> Using ALC to control the exciter power is a bad way to do things, it will only lead to distortion and spurious emissions from the amplifier.
>>> 
>>> 73,
>>> Don W3FPR
>>> 
>>> On 9/23/2018 10:58 AM, John Stengrevics wrote:
>>>> My apologies - I should have added that I am using a Downeast Microwave DTR relay to take the LNA out of the line when voltage applied to the relay drops as a result of transmission.
>> ______________________________________________________________
>> Elecraft mailing list
>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>> 
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>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Sun Sep 23 12:17:47 2018
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2018 12:17:47 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Using A 6 Meter LNA & Amplifier with the K3S
In-Reply-To: <5D101F83-9E1B-4F41-BE5C-C51D846FA23D@comcast.net>
References: <11A25832-26C7-4DCF-A86A-A5975B8AD260@comcast.net>
	<ad0d4309-0665-ece6-0619-fce1f66ba2d0@embarqmail.com>
	<5D101F83-9E1B-4F41-BE5C-C51D846FA23D@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <cdb28518-2d04-0aad-2a4d-858400c6f152@embarqmail.com>

John,

There is TX Inhibit that will prevent RF from the K3 until that signal 
is dropped.
Of course, it requires a signal from the amplifier or sequencer to 
indicate that it is ready for RF.

Trying to use ALC for that purpose is not a good idea.
Does the amplifier control the high on ALC, or is that left to the 
exciter to implement?

73,
Don W3FPR

On 9/23/2018 11:29 AM, John Stengrevics wrote:
> Hi Don,
>
> That was timely as I just got off Skype with Jim, W6PQL.  He mentioned that the ALC should be held high for some milliseconds to allow for the amp?s relays to switch over thereby protecting the LNA.
>
> Since the K3S works differently than most, he suggested that I look for an RF Hold-Off setting on the K3S and set it for around 50 milliseconds.  That being said, I don?t see that in the manual or in Fred?s book.  Any suggestions?
>
> 73,
>
> John
> WA1EAZ
>
>> On Sep 23, 2018, at 11:12 AM, Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> John,
>>
>> I do not understand how the amplifier or the ALC could protect the LNA.
>> I assume the LNA is only used on receive, so if you have good sequencing between receive and transmit, no damage could occur.
>> ALC is only applicable to transmit, and Elecraft does not recommend using ALC to limit the drive to the amplifier.  Set the power to the amp properly and all will be well.
>> Using ALC to control the exciter power is a bad way to do things, it will only lead to distortion and spurious emissions from the amplifier.
>>
>> 73,
>> Don W3FPR
>>
>> On 9/23/2018 10:58 AM, John Stengrevics wrote:
>>> My apologies - I should have added that I am using a Downeast Microwave DTR relay to take the LNA out of the line when voltage applied to the relay drops as a result of transmission.
>


From jstengrevics at comcast.net  Sun Sep 23 12:34:40 2018
From: jstengrevics at comcast.net (John Stengrevics)
Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2018 12:34:40 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Using A 6 Meter LNA & Amplifier with the K3S
In-Reply-To: <cdb28518-2d04-0aad-2a4d-858400c6f152@embarqmail.com>
References: <11A25832-26C7-4DCF-A86A-A5975B8AD260@comcast.net>
	<ad0d4309-0665-ece6-0619-fce1f66ba2d0@embarqmail.com>
	<5D101F83-9E1B-4F41-BE5C-C51D846FA23D@comcast.net>
	<cdb28518-2d04-0aad-2a4d-858400c6f152@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <23C3B948-D5F5-46A9-878F-E7F9CC8F6E5D@comcast.net>

Hi Don,

Ordinarily, the W6PQL amp?s control board does this via ALC on the exciter.  But, since that is not an option with the K3S, setting TX DELAY on the K3S to 20 milliseconds should do the trick.  That is what Jim, W6PQL, suggested I do.

I have been using the W6PQL amp with the K3S without any problems heretofore.

73,

John
WA1EAZ

> On Sep 23, 2018, at 12:17 PM, Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com> wrote:
> 
> John,
> 
> There is TX Inhibit that will prevent RF from the K3 until that signal is dropped.
> Of course, it requires a signal from the amplifier or sequencer to indicate that it is ready for RF.
> 
> Trying to use ALC for that purpose is not a good idea.
> Does the amplifier control the high on ALC, or is that left to the exciter to implement?
> 
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
> 
> On 9/23/2018 11:29 AM, John Stengrevics wrote:
>> Hi Don,
>> 
>> That was timely as I just got off Skype with Jim, W6PQL.  He mentioned that the ALC should be held high for some milliseconds to allow for the amp?s relays to switch over thereby protecting the LNA.
>> 
>> Since the K3S works differently than most, he suggested that I look for an RF Hold-Off setting on the K3S and set it for around 50 milliseconds.  That being said, I don?t see that in the manual or in Fred?s book.  Any suggestions?
>> 
>> 73,
>> 
>> John
>> WA1EAZ
>> 
>>> On Sep 23, 2018, at 11:12 AM, Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> John,
>>> 
>>> I do not understand how the amplifier or the ALC could protect the LNA.
>>> I assume the LNA is only used on receive, so if you have good sequencing between receive and transmit, no damage could occur.
>>> ALC is only applicable to transmit, and Elecraft does not recommend using ALC to limit the drive to the amplifier.  Set the power to the amp properly and all will be well.
>>> Using ALC to control the exciter power is a bad way to do things, it will only lead to distortion and spurious emissions from the amplifier.
>>> 
>>> 73,
>>> Don W3FPR
>>> 
>>> On 9/23/2018 10:58 AM, John Stengrevics wrote:
>>>> My apologies - I should have added that I am using a Downeast Microwave DTR relay to take the LNA out of the line when voltage applied to the relay drops as a result of transmission.
>> 
> 


From gordon.lapoint at gmail.com  Sun Sep 23 12:38:55 2018
From: gordon.lapoint at gmail.com (Gordon LaPoint)
Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2018 12:38:55 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] New Website
In-Reply-To: <000b01d45331$fa45d350$eed179f0$@erols.com>
References: <739CBC60-F3A9-4BD4-9801-EC74343D9421@gmail.com>
	<1537630615727-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<CALhxr4aWtdAgD6Y_KrXD_GRWc78omLW6D9AowgoVncfk2nCbeA@mail.gmail.com>
	<000b01d45331$fa45d350$eed179f0$@erols.com>
Message-ID: <f1495c06-c1e1-e5ec-63c9-f7a939364e64@gmail.com>

No, it will be direct drive electric.
73,? Gordon - N1MGO

On 9/23/2018 7:38 AM, Charlie T wrote:
> Bands must be dead if all we can find to talk about are the pro's & con's of
> a new website design......
>
> Hey, eventually, I'll have to learn how to drive an automatic (CVT?)
> automobile instead of a cog-swapper.
>
> 73, Charlie k3ICH
>
>
>
>
>
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From n3eta at coastside.net  Sun Sep 23 13:37:55 2018
From: n3eta at coastside.net (Ron Genovesi)
Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2018 10:37:55 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] New Website
In-Reply-To: <f1495c06-c1e1-e5ec-63c9-f7a939364e64@gmail.com>
References: <739CBC60-F3A9-4BD4-9801-EC74343D9421@gmail.com>
	<1537630615727-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<CALhxr4aWtdAgD6Y_KrXD_GRWc78omLW6D9AowgoVncfk2nCbeA@mail.gmail.com>
	<000b01d45331$fa45d350$eed179f0$@erols.com>
	<f1495c06-c1e1-e5ec-63c9-f7a939364e64@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D7ED4DB6-93D5-4A76-9768-71FBB274F951@coastside.net>

Hmmm.... Do you think!

     Ron Genovesi
           N3ETA
Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 23, 2018, at 9:38 AM, Gordon LaPoint <gordon.lapoint at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> No, it will be direct drive electric.
> 73,  Gordon - N1MGO
> 
>> On 9/23/2018 7:38 AM, Charlie T wrote:
>> Bands must be dead if all we can find to talk about are the pro's & con's of
>> a new website design......
>> 
>> Hey, eventually, I'll have to learn how to drive an automatic (CVT?)
>> automobile instead of a cog-swapper.
>> 
>> 73, Charlie k3ICH
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Sun Sep 23 13:55:51 2018
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2018 10:55:51 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Using A 6 Meter LNA & Amplifier with the K3S
In-Reply-To: <ad0d4309-0665-ece6-0619-fce1f66ba2d0@embarqmail.com>
References: <11A25832-26C7-4DCF-A86A-A5975B8AD260@comcast.net>
	<ad0d4309-0665-ece6-0619-fce1f66ba2d0@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <b191cc45-e16e-baa1-f5ce-44a5709c1d29@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On 9/23/2018 8:12 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
> Using ALC to control the exciter power is a bad way to do things, it 
> will only lead to distortion and spurious emissions from the amplifier.

RIGHT! The ONLY good use of ALC between rig and amp is to protect the 
amp from a failure in the antenna system. To do that, set output power 
from the rig to get the desired output level.

73, Jim K9YC


From n1rj at roadrunner.com  Sun Sep 23 16:05:07 2018
From: n1rj at roadrunner.com (Roger D Johnson)
Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2018 16:05:07 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft]  KPA1500
In-Reply-To: <5b786b90.1c69fb81.199a1.cc24@mx.google.com>
References: <ae031806-22e2-0870-ac9a-0f3ac87fbb54@ac0c.com>
	<b2415694-a9f3-b59b-ddab-e2ab85484ab6@blomand.net>
	<0fa540cc-4cca-f107-02e3-ae520202c73d@ac0c.com>
	<9ead7fd9-b3bb-5e4d-e431-58356e8da222@blomand.net>
	<5b786b90.1c69fb81.199a1.cc24@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <e0c71f8a-b874-b578-fa8b-a1d912b7bcff@roadrunner.com>

I think I've bricked my KPA1500! Yesterday I installed v1.78 of the firmware.
Today I was calling a dx station on 20m and I kept getting a "low gain ratio"
error message. I thought it might be the new firmware so decided to go back
to v1.64. I downloaded the hex file from Elecraft and somewhere along the line
things went astray. I had an firmware loading indication on the display but it
was static. I looked through the manual for some sort of reset proceedure but
found nothing. I thought that killing the power and a restart might cure it.
Now, the amp comes on with fans at full blast and front panel buttons do nothing!

Help!

73, Roger



From leland at lelandhayes.com  Sun Sep 23 16:27:45 2018
From: leland at lelandhayes.com (Leland)
Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2018 13:27:45 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] please unsubscribe...I am not interested
Message-ID: <201809232027.w8NKRRHs010769@mail171c38.carrierzone.com>



Sent from Mail for Windows 10


From a.durbin at msn.com  Sun Sep 23 16:35:49 2018
From: a.durbin at msn.com (ANDY DURBIN)
Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2018 20:35:49 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Using A 6 Meter LNA & Amplifier with the K3S
Message-ID: <MW2PR16MB2362E3F97EBCD24AA0D8359A8C100@MW2PR16MB2362.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>

"The ONLY good use of ALC between rig and amp is to protect the amp from a failure in the antenna system. "


The KPA500 doesn't work that way so I'd be surprised if the KPA1500 did. For the KPA500 a badly mismatched load will trip the reflected power fault without making any change to the ALC voltage. I know this because ALC voltage is included in my logger data set and I have several logger records for Fault 09. (It's not that I'm really careless about antenna switching. FL09 was a deliberate test case for evaluating a KPA500 firmware defect.)


73,

Andy k3wyc

From n1rj at roadrunner.com  Sun Sep 23 16:48:14 2018
From: n1rj at roadrunner.com (Roger D Johnson)
Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2018 16:48:14 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA -1500 fixed!
Message-ID: <d7b50269-e782-e0a0-cb4c-5b4843765f05@roadrunner.com>

I had to revert to WinXP in order to change the port assignment for the FTDI
adapter. After I finally established comms, the firmware loaded and all seems
fine now.

Just wondering why I had the "low gain ratio" error with v1.78?

73 all, Roger

From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Sun Sep 23 17:24:20 2018
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2018 14:24:20 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Using A 6 Meter LNA & Amplifier with the K3S
In-Reply-To: <MW2PR16MB2362E3F97EBCD24AA0D8359A8C100@MW2PR16MB2362.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
References: <MW2PR16MB2362E3F97EBCD24AA0D8359A8C100@MW2PR16MB2362.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <5b18b34b-d61c-d86c-df33-2b7ab9a585a7@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On 9/23/2018 1:35 PM, ANDY DURBIN wrote:
> The KPA500 doesn't work that way so I'd be surprised if the KPA1500 did.

Some amps have more protection than others. Some have none. :)

73, Jim K9YC


From n6kr at elecraft.com  Sun Sep 23 17:58:35 2018
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2018 14:58:35 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Announcement
In-Reply-To: <7b80b9f0-e572-e59c-6915-cd2ddb1d6ada@coho.net>
References: <7b80b9f0-e572-e59c-6915-cd2ddb1d6ada@coho.net>
Message-ID: <C6D19C19-1172-42E5-8D0B-F0B24D1C5C91@elecraft.com>

Hi Kevin,

Warming up the gear. I'll see you on 14.050, conditions permitting.

Wayne
N6KR



> On Sep 22, 2018, at 8:23 PM, kevinr <kevinr at coho.net> wrote:
> 
> Good Evening,
> 
>    While scouting out trees to thin I found a number of new elk trails.  One poor alder tree had very little bark on the lower four feet of its trunk.  They like the alder thickets when they grow larger than about six inches in diameter.  The lower branches die off and a nice sleeping area forms.  It's also a good place for cedar and hemlock to get a start.  Douglas fir likes a lot of sun so they compete for openings in the canopy.  Cedar and hemlock like it moister and well shaded when they sprout.
> 
>    There was a period of solar wind activity this week so there are some ions floating around.  Maybe there will be enough of them left for the nets.  I am going to move the forty meter net frequency a bit higher to 7047 kHz.  This may eliminate some of the QRM.  If that doesn't work I'll need to find something else to try.  Luckily the bands are pretty quiet other than the thunderstorms over the plains.
> 
> Please join us tomorrow on:
> 
> 14050 kHz at 2200z Sunday (3 PM PDT Sunday)
>   7047 kHz at 0000z Monday (5 PM PDT Sunday)
> 
> 73,
> Kevin. KD5ONS



From k4to.dave at gmail.com  Sun Sep 23 18:00:11 2018
From: k4to.dave at gmail.com (Dave Sublette)
Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2018 18:00:11 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Announcement
In-Reply-To: <C6D19C19-1172-42E5-8D0B-F0B24D1C5C91@elecraft.com>
References: <7b80b9f0-e572-e59c-6915-cd2ddb1d6ada@coho.net>
	<C6D19C19-1172-42E5-8D0B-F0B24D1C5C91@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <CAKynJKkh+isD0zmk5LfM_TJ1ZKbf70PpqxgWzteP2=EM_ydt2w@mail.gmail.com>

Me too-- K2 , 5w battery power 160M vertical...

Dave, K4TO

On Sun, Sep 23, 2018 at 5:59 PM Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com> wrote:

> Hi Kevin,
>
> Warming up the gear. I'll see you on 14.050, conditions permitting.
>
> Wayne
> N6KR
>
>
>
> > On Sep 22, 2018, at 8:23 PM, kevinr <kevinr at coho.net> wrote:
> >
> > Good Evening,
> >
> >    While scouting out trees to thin I found a number of new elk trails.
> One poor alder tree had very little bark on the lower four feet of its
> trunk.  They like the alder thickets when they grow larger than about six
> inches in diameter.  The lower branches die off and a nice sleeping area
> forms.  It's also a good place for cedar and hemlock to get a start.
> Douglas fir likes a lot of sun so they compete for openings in the canopy.
> Cedar and hemlock like it moister and well shaded when they sprout.
> >
> >    There was a period of solar wind activity this week so there are some
> ions floating around.  Maybe there will be enough of them left for the
> nets.  I am going to move the forty meter net frequency a bit higher to
> 7047 kHz.  This may eliminate some of the QRM.  If that doesn't work I'll
> need to find something else to try.  Luckily the bands are pretty quiet
> other than the thunderstorms over the plains.
> >
> > Please join us tomorrow on:
> >
> > 14050 kHz at 2200z Sunday (3 PM PDT Sunday)
> >   7047 kHz at 0000z Monday (5 PM PDT Sunday)
> >
> > 73,
> > Kevin. KD5ONS
>
>
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From peter.torry at talktalk.net  Sun Sep 23 18:02:09 2018
From: peter.torry at talktalk.net (Peter Torry)
Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2018 22:02:09 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: Re:  Using A 6 Meter LNA & Amplifier with the K3S
In-Reply-To: <07aa8598-4425-902d-66e9-7e7292b37778@talktalk.net>
References: <07aa8598-4425-902d-66e9-7e7292b37778@talktalk.net>
Message-ID: <41783920-6bb5-07d1-f443-b67eefcbadf6@talktalk.net>


Hi John,

Pin 7 of the Acc connector is the transmit inhibit input that is enabled
in the config menu.? That is the only way to ensure that the K3 remains
in Rx until the sequencer has completed its cycle. I use this with all
my transverters and LNAs to ensure their correct sequencing.

It is described in both the manual and the F Caddy book.

As you are using the PQL amplifier I assume that you are also using the
PQL control board V6 that has an output that may be used for this
purpose, just check the polarity of the output as it may need inverting.

Good luck with your project

73

Peter

G3SMT



On 23/09/2018 19:54, John Stengrevics wrote:
> Hi Peter,
>
> Thanks for the reply.  But, what would I be using an ACC cable for?
>
> 73,
>
> John
> WA1EAZ
>
>> On Sep 23, 2018, at 3:41 PM, Peter Torry <peter.torry at talktalk.net> wrote:
>>
>> Hi John,
>>
>> I agree with Don's comments as I use a K3 with an amplifier and an LNA in a similar configuration to yourself.  I would never use ALC under any circumstances to avoid radiating a poor signal. To protect the LNA I use a signal from the sequencer in the amplifier to inhibit the K3 from transmitting until the sequencer has done its stuff.  Setting the delay on the K3 still leaves you at risk as 20ms is too short a time for all the relays to operate satisfactorily.  Use pin7 on the acc connector as detailed in the manual on transverter control - TX INH.
>>
>> 73
>>
>> Peter
>>
>> G3SMT
>>
>>
>> On 23/09/2018 15:29, John Stengrevics wrote:
>>> Hi Don,
>>>
>>> That was timely as I just got off Skype with Jim, W6PQL.  He mentioned that the ALC should be held high for some milliseconds to allow for the amp?s relays to switch over thereby protecting the LNA.
>>>
>>> Since the K3S works differently than most, he suggested that I look for an RF Hold-Off setting on the K3S and set it for around 50 milliseconds.  That being said, I don?t see that in the manual or in Fred?s book.  Any suggestions?
>>>
>>> 73,
>>>
>>> John
>>> WA1EAZ
>>>
>>>> On Sep 23, 2018, at 11:12 AM, Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> John,
>>>>
>>>> I do not understand how the amplifier or the ALC could protect the LNA.
>>>> I assume the LNA is only used on receive, so if you have good sequencing between receive and transmit, no damage could occur.
>>>> ALC is only applicable to transmit, and Elecraft does not recommend using ALC to limit the drive to the amplifier.  Set the power to the amp properly and all will be well.
>>>> Using ALC to control the exciter power is a bad way to do things, it will only lead to distortion and spurious emissions from the amplifier.
>>>>
>>>> 73,
>>>> Don W3FPR
>>>>
>>>> On 9/23/2018 10:58 AM, John Stengrevics wrote:
>>>>> My apologies - I should have added that I am using a Downeast Microwave DTR relay to take the LNA out of the line when voltage applied to the relay drops as a result of transmission.
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From k4to.dave at gmail.com  Sun Sep 23 18:03:37 2018
From: k4to.dave at gmail.com (Dave Sublette)
Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2018 18:03:37 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Announcement
In-Reply-To: <CAKynJKkh+isD0zmk5LfM_TJ1ZKbf70PpqxgWzteP2=EM_ydt2w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7b80b9f0-e572-e59c-6915-cd2ddb1d6ada@coho.net>
	<C6D19C19-1172-42E5-8D0B-F0B24D1C5C91@elecraft.com>
	<CAKynJKkh+isD0zmk5LfM_TJ1ZKbf70PpqxgWzteP2=EM_ydt2w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKynJKkQ5TrWNJ5Kk4rcQe=8+WvJ_Keai8oByq_tk=hnGxYiCw@mail.gmail.com>

Copying VA6FAB with a good signal right on top of the net....

K4TO

On Sun, Sep 23, 2018 at 6:00 PM Dave Sublette <k4to.dave at gmail.com> wrote:

> Me too-- K2 , 5w battery power 160M vertical...
>
> Dave, K4TO
>
> On Sun, Sep 23, 2018 at 5:59 PM Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Kevin,
>>
>> Warming up the gear. I'll see you on 14.050, conditions permitting.
>>
>> Wayne
>> N6KR
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Sep 22, 2018, at 8:23 PM, kevinr <kevinr at coho.net> wrote:
>> >
>> > Good Evening,
>> >
>> >    While scouting out trees to thin I found a number of new elk
>> trails.  One poor alder tree had very little bark on the lower four feet of
>> its trunk.  They like the alder thickets when they grow larger than about
>> six inches in diameter.  The lower branches die off and a nice sleeping
>> area forms.  It's also a good place for cedar and hemlock to get a start.
>> Douglas fir likes a lot of sun so they compete for openings in the canopy.
>> Cedar and hemlock like it moister and well shaded when they sprout.
>> >
>> >    There was a period of solar wind activity this week so there are
>> some ions floating around.  Maybe there will be enough of them left for the
>> nets.  I am going to move the forty meter net frequency a bit higher to
>> 7047 kHz.  This may eliminate some of the QRM.  If that doesn't work I'll
>> need to find something else to try.  Luckily the bands are pretty quiet
>> other than the thunderstorms over the plains.
>> >
>> > Please join us tomorrow on:
>> >
>> > 14050 kHz at 2200z Sunday (3 PM PDT Sunday)
>> >   7047 kHz at 0000z Monday (5 PM PDT Sunday)
>> >
>> > 73,
>> > Kevin. KD5ONS
>>
>>
>> ______________________________________________________________
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>

From k4to.dave at gmail.com  Sun Sep 23 18:04:40 2018
From: k4to.dave at gmail.com (Dave Sublette)
Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2018 18:04:40 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Announcement
In-Reply-To: <CAKynJKkQ5TrWNJ5Kk4rcQe=8+WvJ_Keai8oByq_tk=hnGxYiCw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7b80b9f0-e572-e59c-6915-cd2ddb1d6ada@coho.net>
	<C6D19C19-1172-42E5-8D0B-F0B24D1C5C91@elecraft.com>
	<CAKynJKkh+isD0zmk5LfM_TJ1ZKbf70PpqxgWzteP2=EM_ydt2w@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAKynJKkQ5TrWNJ5Kk4rcQe=8+WvJ_Keai8oByq_tk=hnGxYiCw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKynJKm3oye2+Y6L_ukOpPBOXiV5mFBXn9AC968fb3FzWi4bGA@mail.gmail.com>

Good sig here  -- Wayne


K4TO

On Sun, Sep 23, 2018 at 6:03 PM Dave Sublette <k4to.dave at gmail.com> wrote:

> Copying VA6FAB with a good signal right on top of the net....
>
> K4TO
>
> On Sun, Sep 23, 2018 at 6:00 PM Dave Sublette <k4to.dave at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Me too-- K2 , 5w battery power 160M vertical...
>>
>> Dave, K4TO
>>
>> On Sun, Sep 23, 2018 at 5:59 PM Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Kevin,
>>>
>>> Warming up the gear. I'll see you on 14.050, conditions permitting.
>>>
>>> Wayne
>>> N6KR
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> > On Sep 22, 2018, at 8:23 PM, kevinr <kevinr at coho.net> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Good Evening,
>>> >
>>> >    While scouting out trees to thin I found a number of new elk
>>> trails.  One poor alder tree had very little bark on the lower four feet of
>>> its trunk.  They like the alder thickets when they grow larger than about
>>> six inches in diameter.  The lower branches die off and a nice sleeping
>>> area forms.  It's also a good place for cedar and hemlock to get a start.
>>> Douglas fir likes a lot of sun so they compete for openings in the canopy.
>>> Cedar and hemlock like it moister and well shaded when they sprout.
>>> >
>>> >    There was a period of solar wind activity this week so there are
>>> some ions floating around.  Maybe there will be enough of them left for the
>>> nets.  I am going to move the forty meter net frequency a bit higher to
>>> 7047 kHz.  This may eliminate some of the QRM.  If that doesn't work I'll
>>> need to find something else to try.  Luckily the bands are pretty quiet
>>> other than the thunderstorms over the plains.
>>> >
>>> > Please join us tomorrow on:
>>> >
>>> > 14050 kHz at 2200z Sunday (3 PM PDT Sunday)
>>> >   7047 kHz at 0000z Monday (5 PM PDT Sunday)
>>> >
>>> > 73,
>>> > Kevin. KD5ONS
>>>
>>>
>>> ______________________________________________________________
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>>

From peter.torry at talktalk.net  Sun Sep 23 18:15:25 2018
From: peter.torry at talktalk.net (Peter Torry)
Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2018 22:15:25 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Using A 6 Meter LNA & Amplifier with the K3S
In-Reply-To: <2B01F946-04D1-4696-A344-7F136350FAE5@comcast.net>
References: <11A25832-26C7-4DCF-A86A-A5975B8AD260@comcast.net>
	<ad0d4309-0665-ece6-0619-fce1f66ba2d0@embarqmail.com>
	<5D101F83-9E1B-4F41-BE5C-C51D846FA23D@comcast.net>
	<a3f39b33-9f3d-e7bd-37e0-3997c2c2159a@talktalk.net>
	<80F9B99D-BAF3-4F0C-AD0B-7E2B49D0E896@comcast.net>
	<07aa8598-4425-902d-66e9-7e7292b37778@talktalk.net>
	<2B01F946-04D1-4696-A344-7F136350FAE5@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <8e9abd5e-01c8-b377-3f1e-21893964363e@talktalk.net>

Hi John,

The acc cable is used to convey the control signal from the sequencer to 
the K3 so that the TX INH will inhibit the K3 when configured correctly 
and can be used whether or not the band is built in or not.? It may be 
possible to use the ALC output from the sequencer dependent upon its 
level and polarity? but I do not know how that is configured.? If you 
read the section in the manual that describes the inhibit and compare it 
with the sequencer output you should be able to arrange it correctly.

73

Peter

G3SMT


On 23/09/2018 22:03, John Stengrevics wrote:
> Hi Peter,
>
> I appreciate what you are saying, but I have no use for an ACC cable.  The K3S has 6 meters built in.
>
> I am using the W6PQL amp with the control board.  But, the control board has to connect to ALC on the transceiver.  The K3S has no ALC jack.
>
> I have asked Jim, W6PQL, if setting the TX DELAY to 20 milliseconds will provide enough time for relays to switch.
>
> 73,
>
> John
> WA1EAZ
>
>> On Sep 23, 2018, at 5:58 PM, Peter Torry <peter.torry at talktalk.net> wrote:
>>
>> Hi John,
>>
>> Pin 7 of the Acc connector is the transmit inhibit input that is enabled in the config menu.  That is the only way to ensure that the K3 remains in Rx until the sequencer has completed its cycle. I use this with all my transverters and LNAs to ensure their correct sequencing.
>>
>> It is described in both the manual and the F Caddy book.
>>
>> As you are using the PQL amplifier I assume that you are also using the PQL control board V6 that has an output that may be used for this purpose, just check the polarity of the output as it may need inverting.
>>
>> Good luck with your project
>>
>> 73
>>
>> Peter
>>
>> G3SMT
>>
>>
>>
>> On 23/09/2018 19:54, John Stengrevics wrote:
>>> Hi Peter,
>>>
>>> Thanks for the reply.  But, what would I be using an ACC cable for?
>>>
>>> 73,
>>>
>>> John
>>> WA1EAZ
>>>
>>>> On Sep 23, 2018, at 3:41 PM, Peter Torry <peter.torry at talktalk.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi John,
>>>>
>>>> I agree with Don's comments as I use a K3 with an amplifier and an LNA in a similar configuration to yourself.  I would never use ALC under any circumstances to avoid radiating a poor signal. To protect the LNA I use a signal from the sequencer in the amplifier to inhibit the K3 from transmitting until the sequencer has done its stuff.  Setting the delay on the K3 still leaves you at risk as 20ms is too short a time for all the relays to operate satisfactorily.  Use pin7 on the acc connector as detailed in the manual on transverter control - TX INH.
>>>>
>>>> 73
>>>>
>>>> Peter
>>>>
>>>> G3SMT
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 23/09/2018 15:29, John Stengrevics wrote:
>>>>> Hi Don,
>>>>>
>>>>> That was timely as I just got off Skype with Jim, W6PQL.  He mentioned that the ALC should be held high for some milliseconds to allow for the amp?s relays to switch over thereby protecting the LNA.
>>>>>
>>>>> Since the K3S works differently than most, he suggested that I look for an RF Hold-Off setting on the K3S and set it for around 50 milliseconds.  That being said, I don?t see that in the manual or in Fred?s book.  Any suggestions?
>>>>>
>>>>> 73,
>>>>>
>>>>> John
>>>>> WA1EAZ
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sep 23, 2018, at 11:12 AM, Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> John,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I do not understand how the amplifier or the ALC could protect the LNA.
>>>>>> I assume the LNA is only used on receive, so if you have good sequencing between receive and transmit, no damage could occur.
>>>>>> ALC is only applicable to transmit, and Elecraft does not recommend using ALC to limit the drive to the amplifier.  Set the power to the amp properly and all will be well.
>>>>>> Using ALC to control the exciter power is a bad way to do things, it will only lead to distortion and spurious emissions from the amplifier.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 73,
>>>>>> Don W3FPR
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 9/23/2018 10:58 AM, John Stengrevics wrote:
>>>>>>> My apologies - I should have added that I am using a Downeast Microwave DTR relay to take the LNA out of the line when voltage applied to the relay drops as a result of transmission.
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From tombewick at gmail.com  Sun Sep 23 19:53:29 2018
From: tombewick at gmail.com (K2bew)
Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2018 19:53:29 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] please unsubscribe...I am not interested
In-Reply-To: <201809232027.w8NKRRHs010769@mail171c38.carrierzone.com>
References: <201809232027.w8NKRRHs010769@mail171c38.carrierzone.com>
Message-ID: <CA+sV7KCw8g2AgUMv-gdY_UFfX3u-r_rFVydCeh3BUcPF8GjVtg@mail.gmail.com>

You have to unsubscribe yourself same as you subscribed. Follow the link at
the end of the email to the list home.
73,
Tom


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From chadwasinger at outlook.com  Sun Sep 23 20:54:27 2018
From: chadwasinger at outlook.com (Chad Wasinger)
Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2018 00:54:27 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] WTB: Elecraft KPA1500
Message-ID: <CY4PR14MB1511AB30C20A04891268F398C0170@CY4PR14MB1511.namprd14.prod.outlook.com>

Good evening, All -

I'm putting a post out in hopes of finding one of these fine Elecraft amplifiers used before I buy new.  I'm not in a rush and would like to have something located by November. It must be in excellent condition and have all original factory boxes, manuals and cabling.

I can pay via PayPal and will cover the fee's. I'm also open to driving a reasonable distance with cash in hand.

Please contact me directly via email if you have one up for sale.

Thanks!
Chad
N0YK

From kevinr at coho.net  Sun Sep 23 21:06:00 2018
From: kevinr at coho.net (kevinr)
Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2018 18:06:00 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Report
Message-ID: <a3cbcbd8-42f9-01aa-c35b-7915a28a8e29@coho.net>

Good Evening,

 ??? The onset of fall seems to have helped propagation.? I worked a few 
stations I had not heard in a while.? QSB seemed to be included with 
every signal report.? I just gave RST as a range. But copy was good 
enough that an S1 signal was easy.? I only had to turn down one S9 signal.

 ?? The northern stations were reporting cool temperatures and color 
changes.? But even Texas was cool at 71.? Forty meters got more than the 
usual West Coast operators reaching all the way into Texas and 
Kentucky.? Band noise was higher on 20 than on 40 so Kentucky at 319 to 
539 got logged.? Reports I was receiving were usually S3 or better with 
a few folks just barely hearing me. Surprisingly those signals are often 
quite loud to me.? So follow the rhythm of the net and listen to who I 
am working.? Call when you hear my CQ.? I gather stations in groups of 
one, two, or three (sometimes more) and work them in order.


 ? On 14050.5 kHz at 2200z:

NO8V - John - MI

K6XK - Roy - IA

W7LXN - Myron - AZ

AB9V - Mike - IN


 ? On 7047 kHz at 0000z:

W6HV - Troy - CA

K6PJV - Dale - CA

W8OV - Dave - TX

N6KR - Wayne - CA

K4TO - Dave - KY

W0CZ - Ken - ND

K6TET - Ted - CA


 ?? Wayne tried on 20 meters but you have to be in Southern California 
before I can work you.? Forty meters was a much better fit.? With 
today's band you were easy copy from your K3s.? I have received a couple 
emails acknowledging your CQ but they weren't able to get either you or 
me.? They gave you an S5 and me a 339.

 ?? Hopefully next week the bands will be as good as or better than this 
week.? If you can't have a loud signal a quiet band really helps.? I 
should drop my antennas and check them before the weather gets bad.

 ?? Until next week 73,

 ?????? Kevin.? KD5ONS


-




From huntinhmb at coastside.net  Mon Sep 24 00:40:07 2018
From: huntinhmb at coastside.net (Brian Hunt)
Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2018 21:40:07 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Report
In-Reply-To: <a3cbcbd8-42f9-01aa-c35b-7915a28a8e29@coho.net>
References: <a3cbcbd8-42f9-01aa-c35b-7915a28a8e29@coho.net>
Message-ID: <FE7E54D8-28D2-4C4B-9A40-C0E83438CFAA@coastside.net>

Hi Kevin,
I listened for you on 20m but heard, maybe an ESP dit or two. Roy had a big signal here, S9+ when I moved the beam around to him. Heard a few of the other check-ins too. Wayne was about S5 and watery with refraction over the hill. 

A dinner party took me away for the 5 o'clock session. 

That's all the news from HMB. See you next week. 

73,
Brian, K0DTJ

> On Sep 23, 2018, at 18:06, kevinr <kevinr at coho.net> wrote:
> 
> Good Evening,
> 
>     The onset of fall seems to have helped propagation....


From kl7uw at acsalaska.net  Mon Sep 24 02:46:21 2018
From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole)
Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2018 22:46:21 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Using A 6 Meter LNA & Amplifier with the K3S
Message-ID: <201809240646.w8O6kOI1004356@mail42c28.carrierzone.com>

Since this is for 6m which kind of considered VHF, then use of a 
sequencer should be considered.  With either K3 or K3S the last stage 
of the sequencer can control TX INHIBIT control line of the K3/K3S 
which will delay RF output into the PA until after LNA and TR relay 
switching has occurred.  W6PQL sells both an amplifier control board 
with sequencing or separate sequencer:
http://www.w6pql.com/v63control.htm
http://www.w6pql.com/relay_sequencer.htm
or from DEMI:
http://01895fa.netsolhost.com/PDF/LTRS_PD.pdf

See:  http://www.kl7uw.com/TX-INHIBIT.htm

73, Ed - KL7UW
   http://www.kl7uw.com
Dubus-NA Business mail:
   dubususa at gmail.com 


From indians at xsmail.com  Mon Sep 24 04:42:06 2018
From: indians at xsmail.com (Petr, OK1RP/M0SIS)
Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2018 01:42:06 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 : Rack Mount Option?
In-Reply-To: <c5186bf3-95ba-3b0a-3d9e-de492be435ce@sbcglobal.net>
References: <003c01c79efb$163b3f70$0a00a8c0@wolfpack1>
	<d07.fdc71e0.3388e523@aol.com> <1537542101408-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<c5186bf3-95ba-3b0a-3d9e-de492be435ce@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <1537778526429-0.post@n2.nabble.com>

Brian,

thanks for info.
I would like to kindly ask to send the brochure off-list to my email please.

Thank you very much.
Petr



-----
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"Apple & Elecraft freak" 
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From indians at xsmail.com  Mon Sep 24 06:12:03 2018
From: indians at xsmail.com (Petr, OK1RP/M0SIS)
Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2018 03:12:03 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] Kx2
In-Reply-To: <CANa_i+hNPSafctLzVMBiR2_v621XtM97V5ce6r5c9+K=nUbOUA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <921E8F25-E4DC-4289-95BD-3C18FD6BF3BC@gmail.com>
	<CANa_i+hNPSafctLzVMBiR2_v621XtM97V5ce6r5c9+K=nUbOUA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1537783923345-0.post@n2.nabble.com>

Hi all,

I am curious if someone compared the KX2 vs KX3 in terms of RX performance
please?




-----
73 - Petr, OK1RP 
"Apple & Elecraft freak" 
B:http://ok1rp.blogspot.com
G+:http://goo.gl/w3u2s9
G+: http://goo.gl/gP99xq
--
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From nr4c at widomaker.com  Mon Sep 24 06:16:07 2018
From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c)
Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2018 06:16:07 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Kx2
In-Reply-To: <1537783923345-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <921E8F25-E4DC-4289-95BD-3C18FD6BF3BC@gmail.com>
	<CANa_i+hNPSafctLzVMBiR2_v621XtM97V5ce6r5c9+K=nUbOUA@mail.gmail.com>
	<1537783923345-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <DE73002A-EB15-4885-892C-06724D1DC11D@widomaker.com>

QST?



Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill


> On Sep 24, 2018, at 6:12 AM, Petr, OK1RP/M0SIS <indians at xsmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I am curious if someone compared the KX2 vs KX3 in terms of RX performance
> please?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----
> 73 - Petr, OK1RP 
> "Apple & Elecraft freak" 
> B:http://ok1rp.blogspot.com
> G+:http://goo.gl/w3u2s9
> G+: http://goo.gl/gP99xq
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From indians at xsmail.com  Mon Sep 24 06:17:35 2018
From: indians at xsmail.com (Petr Ourednik)
Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2018 12:17:35 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] Kx2
In-Reply-To: <DE73002A-EB15-4885-892C-06724D1DC11D@widomaker.com>
References: <921E8F25-E4DC-4289-95BD-3C18FD6BF3BC@gmail.com>
	<CANa_i+hNPSafctLzVMBiR2_v621XtM97V5ce6r5c9+K=nUbOUA@mail.gmail.com>
	<1537783923345-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<DE73002A-EB15-4885-892C-06724D1DC11D@widomaker.com>
Message-ID: <1537784255.380113.1518471072.4F65FFF1@webmail.messagingengine.com>

Bill,

many thanks, unfortunately I am not subscriber... :(

73 - Petr, OK1RP

On Mon, Sep 24, 2018, at 12:16 PM, Nr4c wrote:
> QST?
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> ...nr4c. bill
> 
> 
> > On Sep 24, 2018, at 6:12 AM, Petr, OK1RP/M0SIS <indians at xsmail.com> wrote:
> > 
> > Hi all,
> > 
> > I am curious if someone compared the KX2 vs KX3 in terms of RX performance
> > please?
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > -----
> > 73 - Petr, OK1RP 
> > "Apple & Elecraft freak" 
> > B:http://ok1rp.blogspot.com
> > G+:http://goo.gl/w3u2s9
> > G+: http://goo.gl/gP99xq
> > --
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From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Mon Sep 24 07:14:30 2018
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2018 07:14:30 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Kx2
In-Reply-To: <1537783923345-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <921E8F25-E4DC-4289-95BD-3C18FD6BF3BC@gmail.com>
	<CANa_i+hNPSafctLzVMBiR2_v621XtM97V5ce6r5c9+K=nUbOUA@mail.gmail.com>
	<1537783923345-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <b363463d-8ceb-79e4-08e9-ee4c31e37e87@embarqmail.com>

Petr,

Look at the Sherwood listing http://www.sherweng.com/table.html

73,
Don W3FPR

On 9/24/2018 6:12 AM, Petr, OK1RP/M0SIS wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> I am curious if someone compared the KX2 vs KX3 in terms of RX performance
> please?

From jstengrevics at comcast.net  Mon Sep 24 07:46:15 2018
From: jstengrevics at comcast.net (John Stengrevics)
Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2018 07:46:15 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Using A 6 Meter LNA & Amplifier with the K3S
In-Reply-To: <201809240646.w8O6kOI1004356@mail42c28.carrierzone.com>
References: <201809240646.w8O6kOI1004356@mail42c28.carrierzone.com>
Message-ID: <A6240D9F-3E59-4D56-AFFA-66EEF9EC579B@comcast.net>

Thanks Ed, I have Jim?s control board in the amp.  Just trying to figure out the connections.

John
WA1EAZ

> On Sep 24, 2018, at 2:46 AM, Edward R Cole <kl7uw at acsalaska.net> wrote:
> 
> Since this is for 6m which kind of considered VHF, then use of a sequencer should be considered.  With either K3 or K3S the last stage of the sequencer can control TX INHIBIT control line of the K3/K3S which will delay RF output into the PA until after LNA and TR relay switching has occurred.  W6PQL sells both an amplifier control board with sequencing or separate sequencer:
> http://www.w6pql.com/v63control.htm
> http://www.w6pql.com/relay_sequencer.htm
> or from DEMI:
> http://01895fa.netsolhost.com/PDF/LTRS_PD.pdf
> 
> See:  http://www.kl7uw.com/TX-INHIBIT.htm
> 
> 73, Ed - KL7UW
> http://www.kl7uw.com
> Dubus-NA Business mail:
> dubususa at gmail.com 
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From indians at xsmail.com  Mon Sep 24 09:34:59 2018
From: indians at xsmail.com (Petr Ourednik)
Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2018 15:34:59 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] Kx2
In-Reply-To: <b363463d-8ceb-79e4-08e9-ee4c31e37e87@embarqmail.com>
References: <921E8F25-E4DC-4289-95BD-3C18FD6BF3BC@gmail.com>
	<CANa_i+hNPSafctLzVMBiR2_v621XtM97V5ce6r5c9+K=nUbOUA@mail.gmail.com>
	<1537783923345-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<b363463d-8ceb-79e4-08e9-ee4c31e37e87@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <1537796099.1294234.1518668192.3C10907E@webmail.messagingengine.com>

Don,

many thanks.
I did not noticed it was also tested by Sherweng labs as I did not searched for it
so low in the comparison table ;)
Anyway many thanks for link.

Best regards,
73 - Petr, OK1RP



On Mon, Sep 24, 2018, at 1:14 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
> Petr,
> 
> Look at the Sherwood listing http://www.sherweng.com/table.html
> 
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
> 
> On 9/24/2018 6:12 AM, Petr, OK1RP/M0SIS wrote:
> > Hi all,
> > 
> > I am curious if someone compared the KX2 vs KX3 in terms of RX performance
> > please?



From ke8g.jim at gmail.com  Mon Sep 24 10:03:25 2018
From: ke8g.jim at gmail.com (KE8G)
Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2018 10:03:25 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3/100 for sale - Price reduced
Message-ID: <CAOdpi6HvtW5CxPzdea+S3SJU9QZkvH2bvekQpCSV0JSgi37x8w@mail.gmail.com>

Hi All,
I am reducing the price, and will pay for shipping and insurance for the
Continental 48 states.

Serial # 4401
K3/100-F K3 100W Transceiver ?
Factory Assembled

KAT3 K3 ATU Modular Kit

KXV3V RX Antenna, IF OUT and
Xverter Interface

KFL3A-2.7      2.7 kHz SSB Filter

KFL3A-1000      1000 Hz 8 Pole CW
Roofing Filter

KFL3A-400      400 Hz 8 Pole CW
Roofing Filter

KFL3A-250      250 Hz 8 Pole CW
Roofing Filter


Included in the sale is the manual
and power cord.

This radio was just returned from
Elecraft having a T/R relay
replaced and has been pronounced
to ?meets or exceeds all factory
specifications.?

I am asking $2,400 including shipping
and insurance.

I can provide additional photos
upon request.


Contact me via KE8G dot Jim at
gmail dot com or my cell phone at 440-212-3623

73 de Jim - KE8G

From nr4c at widomaker.com  Mon Sep 24 10:58:20 2018
From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c)
Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2018 10:58:20 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Kx2
In-Reply-To: <1537784255.380113.1518471072.4F65FFF1@webmail.messagingengine.com>
References: <921E8F25-E4DC-4289-95BD-3C18FD6BF3BC@gmail.com>
	<CANa_i+hNPSafctLzVMBiR2_v621XtM97V5ce6r5c9+K=nUbOUA@mail.gmail.com>
	<1537783923345-0.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<DE73002A-EB15-4885-892C-06724D1DC11D@widomaker.com>
	<1537784255.380113.1518471072.4F65FFF1@webmail.messagingengine.com>
Message-ID: <A5F71D7B-217C-4BB9-885E-CF8A378C7079@widomaker.com>

Too bad. 

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill


> On Sep 24, 2018, at 6:17 AM, Petr Ourednik <indians at xsmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Bill,
> 
> many thanks, unfortunately I am not subscriber... :(
> 
> 73 - Petr, OK1RP
> 
>> On Mon, Sep 24, 2018, at 12:16 PM, Nr4c wrote:
>> QST?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> ...nr4c. bill
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sep 24, 2018, at 6:12 AM, Petr, OK1RP/M0SIS <indians at xsmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> I am curious if someone compared the KX2 vs KX3 in terms of RX performance
>>> please?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----
>>> 73 - Petr, OK1RP 
>>> "Apple & Elecraft freak" 
>>> B:http://ok1rp.blogspot.com
>>> G+:http://goo.gl/w3u2s9
>>> G+: http://goo.gl/gP99xq
>>> --
>>> Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/
>>> ______________________________________________________________
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> 
> 
> -- 
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> --
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> G+: http://goo.gl/w3u2s9
> G+: http://goo.gl/gP99xq


From ve3uvt at gmail.com  Mon Sep 24 17:10:23 2018
From: ve3uvt at gmail.com (Chris)
Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2018 17:10:23 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] WTB: K2 QRP cover
Message-ID: <CALdHbXgTH0VTfS0mpBch9wn2irToOUDUYoMxW+yHyfPS4ghuzQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,

I need to buy a QRP cover of K2.  I have a K2/100 with some issues with the
KPA100, so I am converting it to QRP.  Please reply off-list with its
condition and price shipped to Franklin MA 02038.

Thanks,

Chris AD1AD

From wa8wzg at wa8wzg.net  Mon Sep 24 19:17:40 2018
From: wa8wzg at wa8wzg.net (wa8wzg at wa8wzg.net)
Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2018 17:17:40 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] WTB - KRC2 BAND DECODER
Message-ID: <3c083e6e7713bae91ad6341ab4f979f8@wa8wzg.net>

To All:
Anyone have a KRC2 band decoder for sale??
Please reply of list to wa8wzg at wa8wzg.net
Thanks
Cu on the bands.
Tom
N7GP
ex wa8wzg

From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Mon Sep 24 23:42:46 2018
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2018 20:42:46 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Using A 6 Meter LNA & Amplifier with the K3S
In-Reply-To: <201809240646.w8O6kOI1004356@mail42c28.carrierzone.com>
References: <201809240646.w8O6kOI1004356@mail42c28.carrierzone.com>
Message-ID: <a159db47-adab-5a9d-833d-d3c88fe791f8@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On 9/23/2018 11:46 PM, Edward R Cole wrote:
> Since this is for 6m which kind of considered VHF, then use of a 
> sequencer should be considered.

By definition, 6M is VHF, which is defined as 30-300 MHz.

The need TX delay/sequencing is related to relay switching times, NOT 
operating frequency. The relationship to VHF/UHF has to do with slow 
relays in equipment like power amps and mast-mounted preamps.

73, Jim K9YC


From n0nbd at outlook.com  Tue Sep 25 09:46:54 2018
From: n0nbd at outlook.com (Paul Smith)
Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2018 13:46:54 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] My KX2 may be sick
Message-ID: <DM5PR19MB1452E7375C6718CA63217C07EA160@DM5PR19MB1452.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>

Last night after working a couple SKCC guys on 3550 my KX2 just shut down and said on the display err key. I could not get it to do anything so I sent the configure file to it. It seemed to be ok but shut down again a few minutes later. It has done the same thing twice this morning. A cheep led volt meter reads that the power supply drops to 13.6 volts while transmitting. What the heck do I need to look for or is my radio number 855  wanting a roadtrip to the home factory?

Thanks in advance de Paul N0NBD


Sent from Outlook<http://aka.ms/weboutlook>

From wunder at wunderwood.org  Tue Sep 25 11:31:13 2018
From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood)
Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2018 08:31:13 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] My KX2 may be sick
In-Reply-To: <DM5PR19MB1452E7375C6718CA63217C07EA160@DM5PR19MB1452.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>
References: <DM5PR19MB1452E7375C6718CA63217C07EA160@DM5PR19MB1452.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <DE144A56-D43E-4203-AFA3-1B060ACC5B22@wunderwood.org>

Look up ?ERR KEY? in the Troubleshooting section of your KX2 manual. 

In my KX3 manual, it says this:

?Usually caused by an incorrect setting of MENU:MIC
BTN for the current microphone, or an external device
shorting the KEY or PTT line to ground, or a shorted
KXPD3 keyer paddle. Turn power off, then disconnect the
KXPD3 (if applicable) and everything plugged into the
left side panel, except for the power supply. Turn power
back on. Plug devices back in one at a time to see which
one caused the error.?

wunder
K6WRU
Walter Underwood
CM87wj
http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog)

> On Sep 25, 2018, at 6:46 AM, Paul Smith <n0nbd at outlook.com> wrote:
> 
> Last night after working a couple SKCC guys on 3550 my KX2 just shut down and said on the display err key. I could not get it to do anything so I sent the configure file to it. It seemed to be ok but shut down again a few minutes later. It has done the same thing twice this morning. A cheep led volt meter reads that the power supply drops to 13.6 volts while transmitting. What the heck do I need to look for or is my radio number 855  wanting a roadtrip to the home factory?
> 
> Thanks in advance de Paul N0NBD
> 
> 
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From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Tue Sep 25 11:41:22 2018
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2018 11:41:22 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] My KX2 may be sick
In-Reply-To: <DM5PR19MB1452E7375C6718CA63217C07EA160@DM5PR19MB1452.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>
References: <DM5PR19MB1452E7375C6718CA63217C07EA160@DM5PR19MB1452.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <e29c6087-811c-4c7e-7581-cbe96e967c81@embarqmail.com>

Paul,

An ERR KEY message normally only occurs on power up, and indicates that 
a key contact is closed or a PTT switch is closed.

I suggest that you remove all cables from the KX2 except for the antenna 
and power and see if the message is still present.
If it is gone, then plug each cable in until it occurs.  When you find 
the offending cable, test it and repair it.

In most cases, there is nothing wrong with the transceiver, but the 
problem is with external cables.  It would not be good to send it to 
Elecraft for repair only to find a report of No Trouble Found and an 
invoice for $99 plus shipping.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 9/25/2018 9:46 AM, Paul Smith wrote:
> Last night after working a couple SKCC guys on 3550 my KX2 just shut down and said on the display err key. I could not get it to do anything so I sent the configure file to it. It seemed to be ok but shut down again a few minutes later. It has done the same thing twice this morning. A cheep led volt meter reads that the power supply drops to 13.6 volts while transmitting. What the heck do I need to look for or is my radio number 855  wanting a roadtrip to the home factory?
> 
> Thanks in advance de Paul N0NBD

From n0nbd at outlook.com  Tue Sep 25 13:49:24 2018
From: n0nbd at outlook.com (Paul Smith)
Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2018 17:49:24 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] My KX2 may be sick
Message-ID: <DM5PR19MB14521DD0E63B6920FD18D9C0EA160@DM5PR19MB1452.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>

Thanks guys for the words on my KX2. I was watching the volt meter I have on the power supply. It dropped to 13V when I keyed the rig then shot up to 13.9 and sat rock solid. I changed power supplys and all is well now. The little radio seems to be happy again. And Thanks Don for the advice on NOT sending the rig in. I will check my cables as well,   tnx all de N0NBD Paul Smith

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From ghyoungman at gmail.com  Tue Sep 25 14:36:59 2018
From: ghyoungman at gmail.com (Grant Youngman)
Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2018 14:36:59 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Shipping high value items by UPS
Message-ID: <3E7B5E30-E061-416E-942E-DFD3346599E0@gmail.com>

The thread started by the gentleman who thought his KX2 might be dead and needed to go to Elecraft motivated me to make this comment about shipping.

For several good reasons, I just sent my K3 to Elecraft for service for the first time ever.  Insured, double boxed, expensive Uline 3? plank foam cushion support for the inner carton, etc.   Because I insured it for a high value, I was required by UPS to take the carton to the local UPS Customer Service Center, not the UPS store, etc. to obtain a signature.  Don?t know if I?d scheduled a pickup that it would have been the same fire drill, but that wasn?t an option for me because of UPS schedules around here.

Got to the UPS Center at the airport  and was told that I had to UNPACK ALL of the cartons so they could see what was inside and determine that it wasn?t explosives (apparently there was an incident at FedEx back in February).   UPS did a sloppy job of retaping everything.  Nothing worse than having to cut open carefully packed and sealed containers to prove you?re not just another uni-bomber.  I bit my lips and was (mostly) friendly about it.  Worse than TSA ? because they don?t have the chemical detection wipes and X-ray machines that TSA has.   So it?s a bigger than  average hassle.

Word to the wise ? leave your  cartons untaped, take your tape gun with you, and close/tape the containers yourself.  (Maybe I?m the only person that didn?t know this was a current UPS policy?)

Grant NQ5T
K3 #2091 KX3 #8342


From ke8g.jim at gmail.com  Tue Sep 25 14:37:36 2018
From: ke8g.jim at gmail.com (KE8G)
Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2018 14:37:36 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft K3/100 - sold
Message-ID: <CAOdpi6HbX_8nYiD3Mi3hw0WTCb4WV3UgkUDDNBVTbDY5G9vkXg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi All,
The K3 has been sold.

Thanks for the inquiries.
73 de Jim - KE8G
CWops #1616

From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Tue Sep 25 15:04:05 2018
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2018 14:04:05 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Shipping high value items by UPS
In-Reply-To: <3E7B5E30-E061-416E-942E-DFD3346599E0@gmail.com>
References: <3E7B5E30-E061-416E-942E-DFD3346599E0@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <42A80594-F296-4915-B072-ED94B56F6F87@blomand.net>

I just took mine to the authorized Fed-X shipping store and let them deal with it.  No hassles. Less expensive than UPS and faster service.  

Bob, K4TAX


Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 25, 2018, at 1:36 PM, Grant Youngman <ghyoungman at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> The thread started by the gentleman who thought his KX2 might be dead and needed to go to Elecraft motivated me to make this comment about shipping.
> 
> For several good reasons, I just sent my K3 to Elecraft for service for the first time ever.  Insured, double boxed, expensive Uline 3? plank foam cushion support for the inner carton, etc.   Because I insured it for a high value, I was required by UPS to take the carton to the local UPS Customer Service Center, not the UPS store, etc. to obtain a signature.  Don?t know if I?d scheduled a pickup that it would have been the same fire drill, but that wasn?t an option for me because of UPS schedules around here.
> 
> Got to the UPS Center at the airport  and was told that I had to UNPACK ALL of the cartons so they could see what was inside and determine that it wasn?t explosives (apparently there was an incident at FedEx back in February).   UPS did a sloppy job of retaping everything.  Nothing worse than having to cut open carefully packed and sealed containers to prove you?re not just another uni-bomber.  I bit my lips and was (mostly) friendly about it.  Worse than TSA ? because they don?t have the chemical detection wipes and X-ray machines that TSA has.   So it?s a bigger than  average hassle.
> 
> Word to the wise ? leave your  cartons untaped, take your tape gun with you, and close/tape the containers yourself.  (Maybe I?m the only person that didn?t know this was a current UPS policy?)
> 
> Grant NQ5T
> K3 #2091 KX3 #8342
> 
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From n8vz at qth.com  Tue Sep 25 15:31:44 2018
From: n8vz at qth.com (=?utf-8?Q?Carl_J=C3=B3n_Denbow?=)
Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2018 15:31:44 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Shipping high value items by UPS
In-Reply-To: <42A80594-F296-4915-B072-ED94B56F6F87@blomand.net>
References: <3E7B5E30-E061-416E-942E-DFD3346599E0@gmail.com>
	<42A80594-F296-4915-B072-ED94B56F6F87@blomand.net>
Message-ID: <14541DDC-7AC9-40F8-A059-7A4EA35C5CCC@qth.com>

Never had a problem like that at UPS, and I?ve shipped many high value items with them.  I did have a problem like that, but not as severe, at FedEx once. They opened the box because I said the value was about $4000.00.  They had to insure the packing was sufficient.  I?ve avoided them for high-value items ever since. 73 de Carl

Sent from my iPhone
===========================
Carl J?n Denbow, N8VZ
17 Coventry Lane
Athens, Ohio 45701-3718
 
carl at n8vz.com
www.n8vz.com
EM89wh
 
IRLP 4533   Echolink 116070
 
PSK and JT65 Forever!
===========================

> On Sep 25, 2018, at 3:04 PM, Bob McGraw K4TAX <rmcgraw at blomand.net> wrote:
> 
> I just took mine to the authorized Fed-X shipping store and let them deal with it.  No hassles. Less expensive than UPS and faster service.  
> 
> Bob, K4TAX
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 25, 2018, at 1:36 PM, Grant Youngman <ghyoungman at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> The thread started by the gentleman who thought his KX2 might be dead and needed to go to Elecraft motivated me to make this comment about shipping.
>> 
>> For several good reasons, I just sent my K3 to Elecraft for service for the first time ever.  Insured, double boxed, expensive Uline 3? plank foam cushion support for the inner carton, etc.   Because I insured it for a high value, I was required by UPS to take the carton to the local UPS Customer Service Center, not the UPS store, etc. to obtain a signature.  Don?t know if I?d scheduled a pickup that it would have been the same fire drill, but that wasn?t an option for me because of UPS schedules around here.
>> 
>> Got to the UPS Center at the airport  and was told that I had to UNPACK ALL of the cartons so they could see what was inside and determine that it wasn?t explosives (apparently there was an incident at FedEx back in February).   UPS did a sloppy job of retaping everything.  Nothing worse than having to cut open carefully packed and sealed containers to prove you?re not just another uni-bomber.  I bit my lips and was (mostly) friendly about it.  Worse than TSA ? because they don?t have the chemical detection wipes and X-ray machines that TSA has.   So it?s a bigger than  average hassle.
>> 
>> Word to the wise ? leave your  cartons untaped, take your tape gun with you, and close/tape the containers yourself.  (Maybe I?m the only person that didn?t know this was a current UPS policy?)
>> 
>> Grant NQ5T
>> K3 #2091 KX3 #8342
>> 
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From kengkopp at gmail.com  Tue Sep 25 15:50:59 2018
From: kengkopp at gmail.com (Ken G Kopp)
Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2018 13:50:59 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] OT:  Shipping
Message-ID: <CAD4CdTNSZYou32jvoo0nK44WpnLbmHuH6NS=UhNyEbzP_FOO+A@mail.gmail.com>

In decades we've -never- had a positive interaction with FedEx ... IMO, an
awful company!

Rose (Elecraft Cases & Covers) ships 10 - 20 orders per month via USPS
Priority Mail, and have never had a single issue.  Never more than 3 days
to anywhere in the US.

73!

K0PP

On Tue, Sep 25, 2018, 13:32 Carl J?n Denbow <n8vz at qth.com> wrote:

> Never had a problem like that at UPS, and I?ve shipped many high value
> items with them.  I did have a problem like that, but not as severe, at
> FedEx once. They opened the box because I said the value was about
> $4000.00.  They had to insure the packing was sufficient.  I?ve avoided
> them for high-value items ever since. 73 de Carl
>
> Sent from my iPhone
> ===========================
> Carl J?n Denbow, N8VZ
> 17 Coventry Lane
> Athens, Ohio 45701-3718
>
> carl at n8vz.com
> www.n8vz.com
> EM89wh
>
> IRLP 4533   Echolink 116070
>
> PSK and JT65 Forever!
> ===========================
>
> > On Sep 25, 2018, at 3:04 PM, Bob McGraw K4TAX <rmcgraw at blomand.net>
> wrote:
> >
> > I just took mine to the authorized Fed-X shipping store and let them
> deal with it.  No hassles. Less expensive than UPS and faster service.
> >
> > Bob, K4TAX
> >
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Sep 25, 2018, at 1:36 PM, Grant Youngman <ghyoungman at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> The thread started by the gentleman who thought his KX2 might be dead
> and needed to go to Elecraft motivated me to make this comment about
> shipping.
> >>
> >> For several good reasons, I just sent my K3 to Elecraft for service for
> the first time ever.  Insured, double boxed, expensive Uline 3? plank foam
> cushion support for the inner carton, etc.   Because I insured it for a
> high value, I was required by UPS to take the carton to the local UPS
> Customer Service Center, not the UPS store, etc. to obtain a signature.
> Don?t know if I?d scheduled a pickup that it would have been the same fire
> drill, but that wasn?t an option for me because of UPS schedules around
> here.
> >>
> >> Got to the UPS Center at the airport  and was told that I had to UNPACK
> ALL of the cartons so they could see what was inside and determine that it
> wasn?t explosives (apparently there was an incident at FedEx back in
> February).   UPS did a sloppy job of retaping everything.  Nothing worse
> than having to cut open carefully packed and sealed containers to prove
> you?re not just another uni-bomber.  I bit my lips and was (mostly)
> friendly about it.  Worse than TSA ? because they don?t have the chemical
> detection wipes and X-ray machines that TSA has.   So it?s a bigger than
> average hassle.
> >>
> >> Word to the wise ? leave your  cartons untaped, take your tape gun with
> you, and close/tape the containers yourself.  (Maybe I?m the only person
> that didn?t know this was a current UPS policy?)
> >>
> >> Grant NQ5T
> >> K3 #2091 KX3 #8342
> >>
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From ghyoungman at gmail.com  Tue Sep 25 15:52:44 2018
From: ghyoungman at gmail.com (Grant Youngman)
Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2018 15:52:44 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Shipping high value items by UPS
In-Reply-To: <14541DDC-7AC9-40F8-A059-7A4EA35C5CCC@qth.com>
References: <3E7B5E30-E061-416E-942E-DFD3346599E0@gmail.com>
	<42A80594-F296-4915-B072-ED94B56F6F87@blomand.net>
	<14541DDC-7AC9-40F8-A059-7A4EA35C5CCC@qth.com>
Message-ID: <DFB473BD-4410-4AF9-8C26-9138D5D96BE8@gmail.com>

I don?t know what the other guys do.  But this has apparently been a UPS policy since February for packages  delivered to the Service Center.  Didn?t know about it of course, and don?t think there was any kind of warning on the website.  Maybe just missed the announcement.   I seem to recall the last time I shipped something insured for near maximum value, that the UPS Store could take it and sign for it, but that doesn?t seem to be the case any longer.

I?m not deriding UPS, just be aware if you ship an item (like a K3) with high-value insurance by UPS,  and have to take it to a Service Center, expect them to ask you (you have to do yourself) to open or unpack the item so they can inspect it and make sure it isn?t ticking :-)

Grant NQ5T
K3 #2091 KX3 #8342

> On Sep 25, 2018, at 3:31 PM, Carl J?n Denbow <n8vz at qth.com> wrote:
> 
> Never had a problem like that at UPS, and I?ve shipped many high value items with them.  I did have a problem like that, but not as severe, at FedEx once. They opened the box because I said the value was about $4000.00.  They had to insure the packing was sufficient.  I?ve avoided them for high-value items ever since. 73 de Carl
> 


From lists at w2irt.net  Tue Sep 25 16:17:51 2018
From: lists at w2irt.net (Peter Dougherty (W2IRT))
Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2018 16:17:51 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Shipping high value items by UPS
In-Reply-To: <DFB473BD-4410-4AF9-8C26-9138D5D96BE8@gmail.com>
References: <3E7B5E30-E061-416E-942E-DFD3346599E0@gmail.com>	<42A80594-F296-4915-B072-ED94B56F6F87@blomand.net>	<14541DDC-7AC9-40F8-A059-7A4EA35C5CCC@qth.com>
	<DFB473BD-4410-4AF9-8C26-9138D5D96BE8@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <001c01d4550c$d693dc90$83bb95b0$@net>

I ship *everything* by the US Postal Service, and if the day ever comes that I need to send my K3s or KPA-1500 back for service you can bet it'll be using the post office, with original Elecraft shipping boxes and a premium shipping method with full insurance. I ship merchandise commercially and I've found their insurance far easier to claim on the 2 instances in 27 years that I needed to do so than the first (and only) time I ever tried to do this with UPS on a used/dead laptop. And they refused to pay. FedEx I wouldn't trust to pick up a piece of litter on the ground, let alone a $6,000 amp.


----------------------------------------------------
Regards,
Peter Dougherty, W2IRT
DXCC Card Checker/CQ-WAZ Checkpoint

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-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Grant Youngman
Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2018 3:53 PM
To: Elecraft Reflector Reflector
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Shipping high value items by UPS

I don?t know what the other guys do.  But this has apparently been a UPS policy since February for packages  delivered to the Service Center.  Didn?t know about it of course, and don?t think there was any kind of warning on the website.  Maybe just missed the announcement.   I seem to recall the last time I shipped something insured for near maximum value, that the UPS Store could take it and sign for it, but that doesn?t seem to be the case any longer.

I?m not deriding UPS, just be aware if you ship an item (like a K3) with high-value insurance by UPS,  and have to take it to a Service Center, expect them to ask you (you have to do yourself) to open or unpack the item so they can inspect it and make sure it isn?t ticking :-)

Grant NQ5T
K3 #2091 KX3 #8342

> On Sep 25, 2018, at 3:31 PM, Carl J?n Denbow <n8vz at qth.com> wrote:
> 
> Never had a problem like that at UPS, and I?ve shipped many high value items with them.  I did have a problem like that, but not as severe, at FedEx once. They opened the box because I said the value was about $4000.00.  They had to insure the packing was sufficient.  I?ve avoided them for high-value items ever since. 73 de Carl
> 

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From k6dgw at foothill.net  Tue Sep 25 16:34:22 2018
From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen)
Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2018 13:34:22 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Shipping high value items by UPS
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Interesting thread.? Back when we had lots of troops in Iraq, my wife 
and I adopted some and sent them packages. ["Pay it Forward" ... my 
combat team and I got many in SE Asia from strangers].? They had to go 
USPS Priority, every one made it.? OTOH, my employer had a contract with 
FedX.? Everything went FedX.? I don't remember ever having a problem.? 
Much less experience with UPS so I don't really know except that when 
something we buy comes UPS and the email warning says it will require a 
signature, it's almost always just left on the porch.

73,

Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

On 9/25/2018 1:17 PM, Peter Dougherty (W2IRT) wrote:
> I ship *everything* by the US Postal Service, and if the day ever comes that I need to send my K3s or KPA-1500 back for service you can bet it'll be using the post office, with original Elecraft shipping boxes and a premium shipping method with full insurance. I ship merchandise commercially and I've found their insurance far easier to claim on the 2 instances in 27 years that I needed to do so than the first (and only) time I ever tried to do this with UPS on a used/dead laptop. And they refused to pay. FedEx I wouldn't trust to pick up a piece of litter on the ground, let alone a $6,000 amp.
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------
> Regards,
> Peter Dougherty, W2IRT
> DXCC Card Checker/CQ-WAZ Checkpoint
>


From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Tue Sep 25 16:34:47 2018
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2018 16:34:47 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Shipping high value items by UPS
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Grant and all,

I use both UPS and USPS for shipping.

With UPS, if you go on-line and fill out the information and print the 
shipping label, you can give it to any UPS driver.  If the value is 
$1000 or more, the driver will have to sign your receipt.
Less than $1000, you can drop it off at any shipping center.
Yes, the UPS store may want to wrap it for you (and charge for that 
service), but I have never had anyone ask me to do that.
So print your own shipping labels and avoid the hassle - if the declared 
value is $1000 or above, hand it to a UPS driver, or expect to take it 
to a UPS distribution center (not a UPS store).

With USPS, I have insured items for most any amount up to the maximum of 
$5000 with no questions other than those normally asked about hazardous 
contents, etc.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 9/25/2018 3:52 PM, Grant Youngman wrote:
> I don?t know what the other guys do.  But this has apparently been a UPS policy since February for packages  delivered to the Service Center.  Didn?t know about it of course, and don?t think there was any kind of warning on the website.  Maybe just missed the announcement.   I seem to recall the last time I shipped something insured for near maximum value, that the UPS Store could take it and sign for it, but that doesn?t seem to be the case any longer.
> 
> I?m not deriding UPS, just be aware if you ship an item (like a K3) with high-value insurance by UPS,  and have to take it to a Service Center, expect them to ask you (you have to do yourself) to open or unpack the item so they can inspect it and make sure it isn?t ticking :-)

From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Tue Sep 25 16:35:38 2018
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2018 15:35:38 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] OT:  Shipping
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I agree for small shipments. However USPS doesn't pack. The point being, if I use the Fed-X packing service and it gets damaged or lost it is 100% their issue.   In other words they don't come back to me and say "poorly packed".  

I lost a radio via UPS due to damage. When I recovered it there was a corner crushed and some type of equipment track on the box.  Their response was "improper packaging".  ???? Guess I should have used a steel case.  

Seems that diff folks have different results. 


Bob, K4TAX


Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 25, 2018, at 2:50 PM, Ken G Kopp <kengkopp at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> In decades we've -never- had a positive interaction with FedEx ... IMO, an
> awful company!
> 
> Rose (Elecraft Cases & Covers) ships 10 - 20 orders per month via USPS
> Priority Mail, and have never had a single issue.  Never more than 3 days
> to anywhere in the US.
> 
> 73!
> 
> K0PP
> 
>> On Tue, Sep 25, 2018, 13:32 Carl J?n Denbow <n8vz at qth.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Never had a problem like that at UPS, and I?ve shipped many high value
>> items with them.  I did have a problem like that, but not as severe, at
>> FedEx once. They opened the box because I said the value was about
>> $4000.00.  They had to insure the packing was sufficient.  I?ve avoided
>> them for high-value items ever since. 73 de Carl
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> ===========================
>> Carl J?n Denbow, N8VZ
>> 17 Coventry Lane
>> Athens, Ohio 45701-3718
>> 
>> carl at n8vz.com
>> www.n8vz.com
>> EM89wh
>> 
>> IRLP 4533   Echolink 116070
>> 
>> PSK and JT65 Forever!
>> ===========================
>> 
>>> On Sep 25, 2018, at 3:04 PM, Bob McGraw K4TAX <rmcgraw at blomand.net>
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I just took mine to the authorized Fed-X shipping store and let them
>> deal with it.  No hassles. Less expensive than UPS and faster service.
>>> 
>>> Bob, K4TAX
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Sep 25, 2018, at 1:36 PM, Grant Youngman <ghyoungman at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> The thread started by the gentleman who thought his KX2 might be dead
>> and needed to go to Elecraft motivated me to make this comment about
>> shipping.
>>>> 
>>>> For several good reasons, I just sent my K3 to Elecraft for service for
>> the first time ever.  Insured, double boxed, expensive Uline 3? plank foam
>> cushion support for the inner carton, etc.   Because I insured it for a
>> high value, I was required by UPS to take the carton to the local UPS
>> Customer Service Center, not the UPS store, etc. to obtain a signature.
>> Don?t know if I?d scheduled a pickup that it would have been the same fire
>> drill, but that wasn?t an option for me because of UPS schedules around
>> here.
>>>> 
>>>> Got to the UPS Center at the airport  and was told that I had to UNPACK
>> ALL of the cartons so they could see what was inside and determine that it
>> wasn?t explosives (apparently there was an incident at FedEx back in
>> February).   UPS did a sloppy job of retaping everything.  Nothing worse
>> than having to cut open carefully packed and sealed containers to prove
>> you?re not just another uni-bomber.  I bit my lips and was (mostly)
>> friendly about it.  Worse than TSA ? because they don?t have the chemical
>> detection wipes and X-ray machines that TSA has.   So it?s a bigger than
>> average hassle.
>>>> 
>>>> Word to the wise ? leave your  cartons untaped, take your tape gun with
>> you, and close/tape the containers yourself.  (Maybe I?m the only person
>> that didn?t know this was a current UPS policy?)
>>>> 
>>>> Grant NQ5T
>>>> K3 #2091 KX3 #8342
>>>> 
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From eric at elecraft.com  Tue Sep 25 16:41:24 2018
From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft)
Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2018 13:41:24 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Shipping high value items by UPS
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Lets end this thread at this time in the interest of improving list SNR for our 
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On 9/25/2018 1:34 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
> Grant and all,
>
> I use both UPS and USPS for shipping.


From eric at elecraft.com  Tue Sep 25 16:42:35 2018
From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft)
Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2018 13:42:35 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Shipping
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Lets also end -this- duplicate thread at this time in the interest of improving 
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On 9/25/2018 1:35 PM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote:
> I agree for small shipments. However USPS doesn't pack. The point being, if I use the Fed-X packing service and it gets damaged or lost it is 100% their issue.   In other words they don't come back to me and say "poorly packed".
>
> I lost a radio via UPS due to damage. When I recovered it there was a corner crushed and some type of equipment track on the box.  Their response was "improper packaging".  ???? Guess I should have used a steel case.
>
> Seems that diff folks have different results.
>
>
> Bob, K4TAX
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Sep 25, 2018, at 2:50 PM, Ken G Kopp <kengkopp at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> In decades we've -never- had a positive interaction with FedEx ... IMO, an
>> awful company!
>>
>> Rose (Elecraft Cases & Covers) ships 10 - 20 orders per month via USPS
>> Priority Mail, and have never had a single issue.  Never more than 3 days
>> to anywhere in the US.
>>
>> 73!
>>
>> K0PP
>>
>>> On Tue, Sep 25, 2018, 13:32 Carl J?n Denbow <n8vz at qth.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Never had a problem like that at UPS, and I?ve shipped many high value
>>> items with them.  I did have a problem like that, but not as severe, at
>>> FedEx once. They opened the box because I said the value was about
>>> $4000.00.  They had to insure the packing was sufficient.  I?ve avoided
>>> them for high-value items ever since. 73 de Carl
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> ===========================
>>> Carl J?n Denbow, N8VZ
>>> 17 Coventry Lane
>>> Athens, Ohio 45701-3718
>>>
>>> carl at n8vz.com
>>> www.n8vz.com
>>> EM89wh
>>>
>>> IRLP 4533   Echolink 116070
>>>
>>> PSK and JT65 Forever!
>>> ===========================
>>>
>>>> On Sep 25, 2018, at 3:04 PM, Bob McGraw K4TAX <rmcgraw at blomand.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>> I just took mine to the authorized Fed-X shipping store and let them
>>> deal with it.  No hassles. Less expensive than UPS and faster service.
>>>> Bob, K4TAX
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>>> On Sep 25, 2018, at 1:36 PM, Grant Youngman <ghyoungman at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>> The thread started by the gentleman who thought his KX2 might be dead
>>> and needed to go to Elecraft motivated me to make this comment about
>>> shipping.
>>>>> For several good reasons, I just sent my K3 to Elecraft for service for
>>> the first time ever.  Insured, double boxed, expensive Uline 3? plank foam
>>> cushion support for the inner carton, etc.   Because I insured it for a
>>> high value, I was required by UPS to take the carton to the local UPS
>>> Customer Service Center, not the UPS store, etc. to obtain a signature.
>>> Don?t know if I?d scheduled a pickup that it would have been the same fire
>>> drill, but that wasn?t an option for me because of UPS schedules around
>>> here.
>>>>> Got to the UPS Center at the airport  and was told that I had to UNPACK
>>> ALL of the cartons so they could see what was inside and determine that it
>>> wasn?t explosives (apparently there was an incident at FedEx back in
>>> February).   UPS did a sloppy job of retaping everything.  Nothing worse
>>> than having to cut open carefully packed and sealed containers to prove
>>> you?re not just another uni-bomber.  I bit my lips and was (mostly)
>>> friendly about it.  Worse than TSA ? because they don?t have the chemical
>>> detection wipes and X-ray machines that TSA has.   So it?s a bigger than
>>> average hassle.
>>>>> Word to the wise ? leave your  cartons untaped, take your tape gun with
>>> you, and close/tape the containers yourself.  (Maybe I?m the only person
>>> that didn?t know this was a current UPS policy?)
>>>>> Grant NQ5T
>>>>> K3 #2091 KX3 #8342
>>>>>
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From ghyoungman at gmail.com  Tue Sep 25 17:07:33 2018
From: ghyoungman at gmail.com (Grant Youngman)
Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2018 17:07:33 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Shipping high value items by UPS
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I do, too., usually.   Except this time.  UPS ? a little under  $100, maximum insurance, ground.  USPS ? almost $170 (Priority).  UPS 3-day was around $225.  The differences would have cut way too far into the IPA  budget item.  You have to prioritize somewhere :-)

Grant NQ5T
K3 #2091 KX3 #8342

> On Sep 25, 2018, at 4:17 PM, Peter Dougherty (W2IRT) <lists at w2irt.net> wrote:
> 
> I ship *everything* by the US Postal Service, and if the day ever comes that I need to send my K3s or KPA-1500 back for service you can bet it'll be using the post office, with original Elecraft shipping boxes and a premium shipping method with full insurance. I ship merchandise commercially and I've found their insurance far easier to claim on the 2 instances in 27 years that I needed to do so than the first (and only) time I ever tried to do this with UPS on a used/dead laptop. And they refused to pay. FedEx I wouldn't trust to pick up a piece of litter on the ground, let alone a $6,000 amp.
> 
> 
> 

From ae0mm at protonmail.com  Tue Sep 25 17:35:08 2018
From: ae0mm at protonmail.com (AE0MM)
Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2018 21:35:08 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] KAT2 Hi Cur warning
Message-ID: <-eaz3B0hTA5e5gm1VF-LS58chDwQfe6_yCepC-fzKfm3TqWjftIxsI16Dr8ZhGpgEsMRWFpqqGTig33JBBy1ZgoSnFrGsYaNWohFN2Ua7bo=@protonmail.com>

Just installed the KAT2 in a newly assembled K2. At power levels greater than 8.0 watts, the K2 was displaying the high current warning. The KAT2 power calibration was calibrated by measuring voltage with the K2's RF probe at the feed point to a dummy load.

I removed the KAT2 and remeasured the power across all bands. Again, power was calculated based on DC voltage from RF probe at dummy load feed point. The impedance of the feedline and dummy load were retested. (49 to 51 ohms over the amateur radio bands, measured with a sark-110 calibrated using a set of reference loads)

Here are the results:

Band    Power At Load   K2 Current
80      9.7     2.2
40      9.2     2.0
30      9.4     2.1
20      9.7     2.1
17      11      2.1
15      9.3     2.0
12      9.4     2.2
10      9.6     2.3

After remeasuring power, the KAT2 was reinstalled, and its power meter verified correct at 5 watts. With the KAT2 reinstalled, rechecked K2 current draw at 10 watts on all bands. For each band it measured 20% to 30% higher than without the KAT2.

With the power level on the K2 set to one watt and the ATU set to CALP, I used the RF probe to measure a few points on the KAT2 control board, and the input from the RF board. At the one watt level, there is approximately 1v drop between K17 pins 2/9 and 4/7.

K17
Pins    Volts
2/9     9.9
3/8     9.9
4/7     8.6

K18
Pins    Volts
3/8     8.6

Is this expected behavior, or is something amiss with this KAT2?

Thanks,
--mark/ae0mm

From w1zk at comcast.net  Tue Sep 25 17:38:07 2018
From: w1zk at comcast.net (Ralph McClintock)
Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2018 17:38:07 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] microHAM USB III interface with K2/100 cable __SOLD
Message-ID: <431f7b92-015a-ff1d-d27e-84f12e475c20@comcast.net>

sorry, forgot. my USB III and cable have been sold.

w1ZK

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From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Tue Sep 25 18:58:09 2018
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2018 18:58:09 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KAT2 Hi Cur warning
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Mark,

First, set the CAL CUR in the K2 menu to 3.50 - and also make certain 
the power supply voltage as displayed on the K2 display is not dropping 
significantly during a TUNE.  If it drops more than 1 volt suspect your 
power supply or the power cable.  A low supply voltage can cause the K2 
to report HI Cur - the K2 tries to maintain the power requested, and a 
lower voltage requires greater current.

Note that at least 2 watts is required to calibrate the KAT2 wattmeter 
and to do a TUNE.

The first step in bringing up the KAT2 is to balance (null) the 
wattmeter.  Adjust the trimmer capacitor for the lowest reading in ATU 
menu CALn.

After that, connect a good 50 ohm dummy load and do the CALP setting. 
Use an external wattmeter that you trust, or the measurement of the RF 
voltage with the RF Probe will work, but requires some calculation in 
between adjustments.  The external wattmeter is quicker.

With the ATU menu set for CALP, the relays should be set to open all 
paths to the capacitors and to short out the inductors, so I doubt that 
those relay measurements are of value - unless one of the relays has an 
unsoldered pin 1 or pin 10 which will not allow it to switch.
Check the schematic to see which relay pins should be closed and which 
should be open.

73,
Don W3FPR



On 9/25/2018 5:35 PM, AE0MM via Elecraft wrote:
> Just installed the KAT2 in a newly assembled K2. At power levels greater than 8.0 watts, the K2 was displaying the high current warning. The KAT2 power calibration was calibrated by measuring voltage with the K2's RF probe at the feed point to a dummy load.
> 
> I removed the KAT2 and remeasured the power across all bands. Again, power was calculated based on DC voltage from RF probe at dummy load feed point. The impedance of the feedline and dummy load were retested. (49 to 51 ohms over the amateur radio bands, measured with a sark-110 calibrated using a set of reference loads)
> 
> Here are the results:
> 
> Band    Power At Load   K2 Current
> 80      9.7     2.2
> 40      9.2     2.0
> 30      9.4     2.1
> 20      9.7     2.1
> 17      11      2.1
> 15      9.3     2.0
> 12      9.4     2.2
> 10      9.6     2.3
> 
> After remeasuring power, the KAT2 was reinstalled, and its power meter verified correct at 5 watts. With the KAT2 reinstalled, rechecked K2 current draw at 10 watts on all bands. For each band it measured 20% to 30% higher than without the KAT2.
> 
> With the power level on the K2 set to one watt and the ATU set to CALP, I used the RF probe to measure a few points on the KAT2 control board, and the input from the RF board. At the one watt level, there is approximately 1v drop between K17 pins 2/9 and 4/7.
> 

From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Tue Sep 25 20:15:30 2018
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2018 19:15:30 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Turn On
Message-ID: <96f3fc5b-86f7-4265-5a19-9ee2bfff4527@blomand.net>

Just purchased a NIB P3 for my K3S station.?? Love it!

Question - is it normal for it to initially power on with a bright white 
screen while it loads?? This is very brief, but sure makes a flash. ? If 
normal, then so be it.? It is powered from the DC jack on the K3S.?? I 
always switch the station supply on first and then the radio.? Thus the 
KAT500 and P3 are powered from the same switched source.

I did update it to the latest firmware as it came to me with older version.

73

Bob, K4TAX



From k1ike at snet.net  Tue Sep 25 20:48:14 2018
From: k1ike at snet.net (JOE)
Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2018 20:48:14 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Shipping high value items by UPS
In-Reply-To: <mailman.98.1537920944.2969.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
References: <mailman.98.1537920944.2969.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID: <7c99217d-44f6-75dd-22e0-45430110f653@snet.net>

On 9/25/2018 8:15 PM, elecraft-request at mailman.qth.net wrote:
> Message: 6
> Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2018 14:36:59 -0400
> From: Grant Youngman<ghyoungman at gmail.com>
> To: Elecraft Reflector Reflector<elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: [Elecraft] Shipping high value items by UPS
>
> The thread started by the gentleman who thought his KX2 might be dead and needed to go to Elecraft motivated me to make this comment about shipping.

I shipped my K3 back to Elecraft earlier this year via UPS and $2,500 
insurance.? I use a local hardware store in my town that has UPS service 
at the normal rates.? They said they use a company that contracts with 
UPS for shipping.? The company that provides the UPS service to the 
hardware store requires inspection of high value packages, reportedly 
due to some fraud cases in the past.? Because they know me well they 
took my word that I double boxed it and packed it well, I didn't have to 
unpack it.? I had shipped many things with them in the past with no 
problems.

For the return address, I use my local post office where I have a PO 
box.? It's a little known fact that the USPS will accept packages for PO 
box holders from any private carrier, UPS, FedEx, etc.? They will also 
sign for some packages requiring signature if you have a signature on 
file.? This solves my problem of packages left on my doorstep for people 
to potentially steal.? This also solves the problem of people/businesses 
that will not ship to a PO box.

This is how I address packages to be mailed to me.

My Name
34 Main Street? #(my PO box number)
East Haddam, CT 06423

A really nice feature of the post office.? Look at:

<https://www.usps.com/manage/po-boxes.htm>

73, Joe, K1ike



From rus.healy at gmail.com  Tue Sep 25 21:13:27 2018
From: rus.healy at gmail.com (Rus Healy)
Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2018 21:13:27 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 internal 2-meter transverter problem
Message-ID: <CAGK9h=MdtczXDmeCe4ec7sC+86UbAvCdoYXRe5JVXf92b1hjuA@mail.gmail.com>

I have an older K3 (low-2000 serial number) with the K144XV internal
2-meter transverter and KXV3A module (factory-upgraded in 2014).

In the September VHF contest, the first time I've used that band on that
radio, I found that the transmitter is flying. It puts out 2-3 watts when
keyed, regardless of mode (CW, SSB), with no keying/modulation. It drives
up to a few watts output and sounds okay on-frequency, TX and RX, but is
clearly not stable and the bad energy is in-band on 2 meters, and quite
nearby.

I haven't looked at the output on the spectrum analyzer yet, or taken the
radio apart to inspect the transverter; I wanted to ask here for any
similar experiences before I tear into it to hopefully save a bit of time.

Thanks in advance.

--73, Rus, K2UA

From hs0zed at gmail.com  Tue Sep 25 23:21:45 2018
From: hs0zed at gmail.com (Martin Sole)
Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2018 10:21:45 +0700
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Turn On
In-Reply-To: <96f3fc5b-86f7-4265-5a19-9ee2bfff4527@blomand.net>
References: <96f3fc5b-86f7-4265-5a19-9ee2bfff4527@blomand.net>
Message-ID: <e66335b6-3b36-7b8b-9d8e-24224018c6e5@gmail.com>

Mine does this. The white screen has gone though by the time my finger 
comes off the K3 power button, replaced with a P3 boot loader message, 
that's also gone very quickly.

Martin, HS0ZED


On 26/09/2018 07:15, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote:
> Just purchased a NIB P3 for my K3S station.?? Love it!
>
> Question - is it normal for it to initially power on with a bright 
> white screen while it loads?? This is very brief, but sure makes a 
> flash. ? If normal, then so be it.? It is powered from the DC jack on 
> the K3S.?? I always switch the station supply on first and then the 
> radio.? Thus the KAT500 and P3 are powered from the same switched source.
>
> I did update it to the latest firmware as it came to me with older 
> version.
>
> 73
>
> Bob, K4TAX
>
>
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From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Tue Sep 25 23:27:02 2018
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2018 22:27:02 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Turn On
In-Reply-To: <e66335b6-3b36-7b8b-9d8e-24224018c6e5@gmail.com>
References: <96f3fc5b-86f7-4265-5a19-9ee2bfff4527@blomand.net>
	<e66335b6-3b36-7b8b-9d8e-24224018c6e5@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1F2E19DF-6405-4FA1-8F9E-CED0F0016ED6@blomand.net>

Thanks Martin.

 Just wondering if it is normal.  From the reports, it is. 

Thanks to all. 

Bob, K4TAX


Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 25, 2018, at 10:21 PM, Martin Sole <hs0zed at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Mine does this. The white screen has gone though by the time my finger comes off the K3 power button, replaced with a P3 boot loader message, that's also gone very quickly.
> 
> Martin, HS0ZED
> 
> 
>> On 26/09/2018 07:15, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote:
>> Just purchased a NIB P3 for my K3S station.   Love it!
>> 
>> Question - is it normal for it to initially power on with a bright white screen while it loads?  This is very brief, but sure makes a flash.   If normal, then so be it.  It is powered from the DC jack on the K3S.   I always switch the station supply on first and then the radio.  Thus the KAT500 and P3 are powered from the same switched source.
>> 
>> I did update it to the latest firmware as it came to me with older version.
>> 
>> 73
>> 
>> Bob, K4TAX
>> 
>> 
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From k9yeq at live.com  Tue Sep 25 23:28:44 2018
From: k9yeq at live.com (Bill Johnson)
Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2018 03:28:44 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Shipping high value items by UPS
In-Reply-To: <7c99217d-44f6-75dd-22e0-45430110f653@snet.net>
References: <mailman.98.1537920944.2969.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
	<7c99217d-44f6-75dd-22e0-45430110f653@snet.net>
Message-ID: <SN6PR05MB4288164B7DD1562241306BAF9C150@SN6PR05MB4288.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>

Joe, that is very good info for us with PO Boxes and want greater security.  

73,
Bill
K9YEQ

https://wrj-tech.com/

-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On Behalf Of JOE
Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2018 7:48 PM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Shipping high value items by UPS

On 9/25/2018 8:15 PM, elecraft-request at mailman.qth.net wrote:
> Message: 6
> Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2018 14:36:59 -0400
> From: Grant Youngman<ghyoungman at gmail.com>
> To: Elecraft Reflector Reflector<elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: [Elecraft] Shipping high value items by UPS
>
> The thread started by the gentleman who thought his KX2 might be dead and needed to go to Elecraft motivated me to make this comment about shipping.

I shipped my K3 back to Elecraft earlier this year via UPS and $2,500 insurance.? I use a local hardware store in my town that has UPS service at the normal rates.? They said they use a company that contracts with UPS for shipping.? The company that provides the UPS service to the hardware store requires inspection of high value packages, reportedly due to some fraud cases in the past.? Because they know me well they took my word that I double boxed it and packed it well, I didn't have to unpack it.? I had shipped many things with them in the past with no problems.

For the return address, I use my local post office where I have a PO box.? It's a little known fact that the USPS will accept packages for PO box holders from any private carrier, UPS, FedEx, etc.? They will also sign for some packages requiring signature if you have a signature on file.? This solves my problem of packages left on my doorstep for people to potentially steal.? This also solves the problem of people/businesses that will not ship to a PO box.

This is how I address packages to be mailed to me.

My Name
34 Main Street? #(my PO box number)
East Haddam, CT 06423

A really nice feature of the post office.? Look at:

<https://www.usps.com/manage/po-boxes.htm>

73, Joe, K1ike


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From k9ma at sdellington.us  Wed Sep 26 00:27:22 2018
From: k9ma at sdellington.us (K9MA)
Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2018 23:27:22 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Shipping high value items by UPS
In-Reply-To: <d5e54631-dcfa-a41a-3fa7-666a62b9633c@foothill.net>
References: <3E7B5E30-E061-416E-942E-DFD3346599E0@gmail.com>
	<42A80594-F296-4915-B072-ED94B56F6F87@blomand.net>
	<14541DDC-7AC9-40F8-A059-7A4EA35C5CCC@qth.com>
	<DFB473BD-4410-4AF9-8C26-9138D5D96BE8@gmail.com>
	<001c01d4550c$d693dc90$83bb95b0$@net>
	<d5e54631-dcfa-a41a-3fa7-666a62b9633c@foothill.net>
Message-ID: <ca7cf086-20a6-a5fa-6a83-afb3c7327251@sdellington.us>

I learned an expensive lesson when I shipped my K3 back for service: 
Never ship from a UPS "Store", unless you prepay online. The store 
charged me about double the online price, with some excuse about using a 
different insurance company. You can, however, prepay online and just 
drop it off at a nearby store.

73,
Scott K9MA


-- 
Scott  K9MA

k9ma at sdellington.us


From w2up at comcast.net  Wed Sep 26 07:41:48 2018
From: w2up at comcast.net (Barry)
Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2018 04:41:48 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] Shipping high value items by UPS
In-Reply-To: <ca7cf086-20a6-a5fa-6a83-afb3c7327251@sdellington.us>
References: <3E7B5E30-E061-416E-942E-DFD3346599E0@gmail.com>
	<42A80594-F296-4915-B072-ED94B56F6F87@blomand.net>
	<14541DDC-7AC9-40F8-A059-7A4EA35C5CCC@qth.com>
	<DFB473BD-4410-4AF9-8C26-9138D5D96BE8@gmail.com>
	<001c01d4550c$d693dc90$83bb95b0$@net>
	<d5e54631-dcfa-a41a-3fa7-666a62b9633c@foothill.net>
	<ca7cf086-20a6-a5fa-6a83-afb3c7327251@sdellington.us>
Message-ID: <1537962108715-0.post@n2.nabble.com>

One semi-related warning:
Avoid DHL.

I ordered a piece of furniture from Italy, which included a glass-top table. 
It arrived in a wooden crate, which looked perfect from the outside, but the
glass was totally shattered inside.  They mist have dropped it on its edge
from a good height, or dropped something heavy on top of it.

Currently going through the insurance claim process, and the number of
repetitive phone calls and emails has been mind-boggling.  A very poorly
managed company.

Barry W2UP



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From n3xjn.usa at gmail.com  Wed Sep 26 08:33:39 2018
From: n3xjn.usa at gmail.com (Dan Mouer)
Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2018 08:33:39 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Shipping high value items by UPS
In-Reply-To: <001c01d4550c$d693dc90$83bb95b0$@net>
References: <3E7B5E30-E061-416E-942E-DFD3346599E0@gmail.com>
	<42A80594-F296-4915-B072-ED94B56F6F87@blomand.net>
	<14541DDC-7AC9-40F8-A059-7A4EA35C5CCC@qth.com>
	<DFB473BD-4410-4AF9-8C26-9138D5D96BE8@gmail.com>
	<001c01d4550c$d693dc90$83bb95b0$@net>
Message-ID: <CADvtKh4Enh-3EoYniX1-TQwZo1oWfAkvznnBJ14JA-8dV2J6ag@mail.gmail.com>

Just my opinion, but I can't get USPS to reliably deliver my mail on a
regular basis. No way am I trusting them with a high value package.
I hate and dread it when I order something and it starts out UPS or FedEx
and ends up "smart posting" through USPS the last mile.

The few times I've tried to file a complaint (via phone or face to face)
all I got was a run around and a carrier lying to my face.

YMMV.

Dan - N3XJN


On Tue, Sep 25, 2018 at 4:19 PM Peter Dougherty (W2IRT) <lists at w2irt.net>
wrote:

> I ship *everything* by the US Postal Service, and if the day ever comes
> that I need to send my K3s or KPA-1500 back for service you can bet it'll
> be using the post office, with original Elecraft shipping boxes and a
> premium shipping method with full insurance. I ship merchandise
> commercially and I've found their insurance far easier to claim on the 2
> instances in 27 years that I needed to do so than the first (and only) time
> I ever tried to do this with UPS on a used/dead laptop. And they refused to
> pay. FedEx I wouldn't trust to pick up a piece of litter on the ground, let
> alone a $6,000 amp.
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------
> Regards,
> Peter Dougherty, W2IRT
> DXCC Card Checker/CQ-WAZ Checkpoint
>
> www.facebook.com/W2IRT
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:
> elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Grant Youngman
> Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2018 3:53 PM
> To: Elecraft Reflector Reflector
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Shipping high value items by UPS
>
> I don?t know what the other guys do.  But this has apparently been a UPS
> policy since February for packages  delivered to the Service Center.
> Didn?t know about it of course, and don?t think there was any kind of
> warning on the website.  Maybe just missed the announcement.   I seem to
> recall the last time I shipped something insured for near maximum value,
> that the UPS Store could take it and sign for it, but that doesn?t seem to
> be the case any longer.
>
> I?m not deriding UPS, just be aware if you ship an item (like a K3) with
> high-value insurance by UPS,  and have to take it to a Service Center,
> expect them to ask you (you have to do yourself) to open or unpack the item
> so they can inspect it and make sure it isn?t ticking :-)
>
> Grant NQ5T
> K3 #2091 KX3 #8342
>
> > On Sep 25, 2018, at 3:31 PM, Carl J?n Denbow <n8vz at qth.com> wrote:
> >
> > Never had a problem like that at UPS, and I?ve shipped many high value
> items with them.  I did have a problem like that, but not as severe, at
> FedEx once. They opened the box because I said the value was about
> $4000.00.  They had to insure the packing was sufficient.  I?ve avoided
> them for high-value items ever since. 73 de Carl
> >
>
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From K2TK at att.net  Wed Sep 26 15:14:17 2018
From: K2TK at att.net (Bob)
Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2018 15:14:17 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Shipping high value items by UPS
In-Reply-To: <7c99217d-44f6-75dd-22e0-45430110f653@snet.net>
References: <mailman.98.1537920944.2969.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
	<7c99217d-44f6-75dd-22e0-45430110f653@snet.net>
Message-ID: <a35fe77f-9a92-2600-8454-47c0ec402aac@att.net>

Well I'll confess to being in the USPS supporter camp.  I've had great service 
from them.   My KPA1500 even came Priority Mail.

I use the addressing scheme below too.

I have a POB and another great free PO service is Informed delivery.  Every 
morning I get an email with pictures of mail for the day.  From it I can make a 
decision if I want to or need to go to the PO that day.  Here:

https://informeddelivery.usps.com/box/pages/intro/start.action

Not a well known PO service.

73,
Bob
K2TK  ex KN2TKR (1956) & K2TKR


On 9/25/2018 8:48 PM, JOE wrote:
> On 9/25/2018 8:15 PM, elecraft-request at mailman.qth.net wrote:
>> Message: 6
>> Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2018 14:36:59 -0400
>> From: Grant Youngman<ghyoungman at gmail.com>
>> To: Elecraft Reflector Reflector<elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
>> Subject: [Elecraft] Shipping high value items by UPS
>>
>> The thread started by the gentleman who thought his KX2 might be dead and 
>> needed to go to Elecraft motivated me to make this comment about shipping.
> 
> I shipped my K3 back to Elecraft earlier this year via UPS and $2,500 
> insurance.? I use a local hardware store in my town that has UPS service at the 
> normal rates.? They said they use a company that contracts with UPS for 
> shipping.? The company that provides the UPS service to the hardware store 
> requires inspection of high value packages, reportedly due to some fraud cases 
> in the past.? Because they know me well they took my word that I double boxed it 
> and packed it well, I didn't have to unpack it.? I had shipped many things with 
> them in the past with no problems.
> 
> For the return address, I use my local post office where I have a PO box.? It's 
> a little known fact that the USPS will accept packages for PO box holders from 
> any private carrier, UPS, FedEx, etc.? They will also sign for some packages 
> requiring signature if you have a signature on file.? This solves my problem of 
> packages left on my doorstep for people to potentially steal.? This also solves 
> the problem of people/businesses that will not ship to a PO box.
> 
> This is how I address packages to be mailed to me.
> 
> My Name
> 34 Main Street? #(my PO box number)
> East Haddam, CT 06423
> 
> A really nice feature of the post office.? Look at:
> 
> <https://www.usps.com/manage/po-boxes.htm>
> 
> 73, Joe, K1ike

From ardrhi at gmail.com  Wed Sep 26 15:26:14 2018
From: ardrhi at gmail.com (Gwen Patton)
Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2018 15:26:14 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Shipping high value items by UPS
In-Reply-To: <a35fe77f-9a92-2600-8454-47c0ec402aac@att.net>
References: <mailman.98.1537920944.2969.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
	<7c99217d-44f6-75dd-22e0-45430110f653@snet.net>
	<a35fe77f-9a92-2600-8454-47c0ec402aac@att.net>
Message-ID: <CA+nQa2P0macg-Sw0r+Q5P91bjw5nh2ncmafpAkG3vJ3+Kwoz-Q@mail.gmail.com>

My KXPA100 order hit on a day when it was raining fairly heavily. The UPS
driver clearly thought we wouldn't be home for some reason -- perhaps too
cynical? I don't know -- so he didn't bother to carry it the 14 lb box to
the house. Maybe he didn't want to have to carry it back to the van in the
rain? An interesting speculation, except for one small detail.

I was home. So was my partner. We were sitting 6 feet from the door, and if
the driver had even set foot on the porch, we would have noticed him
because we were sitting by a window onto the porch. Instead, he brought a
small Amazon package to the porch, to which he affixed the "sorry, we
missed you" tag, and tossed them onto the porch and ran back to his van. In
earlier times, they simply would have brought the package back the next
day, but not these days. He took the package to a pickup spot, a UPS store
about 5 miles from my house, and I had to pick it up the next day, in
person, with my ID so I could sign for it.

The sheer laziness of this event stunned me. He just didn't seem to want to
carry the box to the door in the rain, and was willing to inconvenience the
recipient of an expensive package just to avoid a couple minutes' work. I
don't have this trouble with FedEx, though I sometimes have problems with
Amazon drivers who claim not only that they delivered my package, but put
it directly into my hands, when I didn't even receive it until 2 days
later. They simply lie to avoid doing their jobs. It's the only thing I can
think of to explain it.

It doesn't do any good to complain. I raised the roof at UPS, and it had
zero effect. The woman on the phone told me she'd have the package brought
back to my door. Instead, it went to the pickup spot and I had to get my
disabled butt to their store to pick it up. Very frustrating!

On Wed, Sep 26, 2018 at 3:14 PM Bob <K2TK at att.net> wrote:

> Well I'll confess to being in the USPS supporter camp.  I've had great
> service
> from them.   My KPA1500 even came Priority Mail.
>
> I use the addressing scheme below too.
>
> I have a POB and another great free PO service is Informed delivery.
> Every
> morning I get an email with pictures of mail for the day.  From it I can
> make a
> decision if I want to or need to go to the PO that day.  Here:
>
> https://informeddelivery.usps.com/box/pages/intro/start.action
>
> Not a well known PO service.
>
> 73,
> Bob
> K2TK  ex KN2TKR (1956) & K2TKR
>
>
> On 9/25/2018 8:48 PM, JOE wrote:
> > On 9/25/2018 8:15 PM, elecraft-request at mailman.qth.net wrote:
> >> Message: 6
> >> Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2018 14:36:59 -0400
> >> From: Grant Youngman<ghyoungman at gmail.com>
> >> To: Elecraft Reflector Reflector<elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> >> Subject: [Elecraft] Shipping high value items by UPS
> >>
> >> The thread started by the gentleman who thought his KX2 might be dead
> and
> >> needed to go to Elecraft motivated me to make this comment about
> shipping.
> >
> > I shipped my K3 back to Elecraft earlier this year via UPS and $2,500
> > insurance.  I use a local hardware store in my town that has UPS service
> at the
> > normal rates.  They said they use a company that contracts with UPS for
> > shipping.  The company that provides the UPS service to the hardware
> store
> > requires inspection of high value packages, reportedly due to some fraud
> cases
> > in the past.  Because they know me well they took my word that I double
> boxed it
> > and packed it well, I didn't have to unpack it.  I had shipped many
> things with
> > them in the past with no problems.
> >
> > For the return address, I use my local post office where I have a PO
> box.  It's
> > a little known fact that the USPS will accept packages for PO box
> holders from
> > any private carrier, UPS, FedEx, etc.  They will also sign for some
> packages
> > requiring signature if you have a signature on file.  This solves my
> problem of
> > packages left on my doorstep for people to potentially steal.  This also
> solves
> > the problem of people/businesses that will not ship to a PO box.
> >
> > This is how I address packages to be mailed to me.
> >
> > My Name
> > 34 Main Street  #(my PO box number)
> > East Haddam, CT 06423
> >
> > A really nice feature of the post office.  Look at:
> >
> > <https://www.usps.com/manage/po-boxes.htm>
> >
> > 73, Joe, K1ike
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From pa0kv at pa0kv.nl  Wed Sep 26 15:30:07 2018
From: pa0kv at pa0kv.nl (pa0kv at pa0kv.nl)
Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2018 21:30:07 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 problem after latest sw update
Message-ID: <8373a010-1932-34c7-cc92-7fd35377e8af@pa0kv.nl>

Hi!

Yesterday I updated my K3's sw. After some shutdown and startups it came 
up as normal.

But there is no reception. I get noise from my antenna. Unplug the 
antenna, no noise.
Send a signal in the air on the tuned frequency ... nothing. No S-meter, 
no biep.

What went wrong? I did reinstall all updates. No result.

Twan - PA0KV




From n8sbe at arrl.net  Wed Sep 26 16:43:29 2018
From: n8sbe at arrl.net (Dave New, N8SBE)
Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2018 13:43:29 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] My KX2 may be sick
Message-ID: <20180926134329.1fa1e31b6b6b329ecc65be958babcc1f.18b7416c89.wbe@email09.godaddy.com>


From eric at elecraft.com  Wed Sep 26 17:49:29 2018
From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft)
Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2018 14:49:29 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Shipping high value items by UPS
In-Reply-To: <CA+nQa2P0macg-Sw0r+Q5P91bjw5nh2ncmafpAkG3vJ3+Kwoz-Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <mailman.98.1537920944.2969.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
	<7c99217d-44f6-75dd-22e0-45430110f653@snet.net>
	<a35fe77f-9a92-2600-8454-47c0ec402aac@att.net>
	<CA+nQa2P0macg-Sw0r+Q5P91bjw5nh2ncmafpAkG3vJ3+Kwoz-Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9ad16e3c-20d4-4788-0355-41a4f6ee142b@elecraft.com>

Folks, this OT thread was closed yesterday.
Eric
Moderator
/elecraft.com/

On 9/26/2018 12:26 PM, Gwen Patton wrote:
> My KXPA100 order hit on a day when it was raining fairly heavily. The UPS
> driver clearly thought we wouldn't be home for some reason -- perhaps too
> cynical? I don't know -- so he didn't bother to carry it the 14 lb box to
> the house. Maybe he didn't want to have to carry it back to the van in the
> rain? An interesting speculation, except for one small detail.
>
> I was home. So was my partner. We were sitting 6 feet from the door, and if
> the driver had even set foot on the porch, we would have noticed him
> because we were sitting by a window onto the porch. Instead, he brought a
> small Amazon package to the porch, to which he affixed the "sorry, we
> missed you" tag, and tossed them onto the porch and ran back to his van. In
> earlier times, they simply would have brought the package back the next
> day, but not these days. He took the package to a pickup spot, a UPS store
> about 5 miles from my house, and I had to pick it up the next day, in
> person, with my ID so I could sign for it.
>
> The sheer laziness of this event stunned me. He just didn't seem to want to
> carry the box to the door in the rain, and was willing to inconvenience the
> recipient of an expensive package just to avoid a couple minutes' work. I
> don't have this trouble with FedEx, though I sometimes have problems with
> Amazon drivers who claim not only that they delivered my package, but put
> it directly into my hands, when I didn't even receive it until 2 days
> later. They simply lie to avoid doing their jobs. It's the only thing I can
> think of to explain it.
>
> It doesn't do any good to complain. I raised the roof at UPS, and it had
> zero effect. The woman on the phone told me she'd have the package brought
> back to my door. Instead, it went to the pickup spot and I had to get my
> disabled butt to their store to pick it up. Very frustrating!
>
> On Wed, Sep 26, 2018 at 3:14 PM Bob <K2TK at att.net> wrote:
>
>> Well I'll confess to being in the USPS supporter camp.  I've had great
>> service
>> from them.   My KPA1500 even came Priority Mail.
>>
>> I use the addressing scheme below too.
>>
>> I have a POB and another great free PO service is Informed delivery.
>> Every
>> morning I get an email with pictures of mail for the day.  From it I can
>> make a
>> decision if I want to or need to go to the PO that day.  Here:
>>
>> https://informeddelivery.usps.com/box/pages/intro/start.action
>>
>> Not a well known PO service.
>>
>> 73,
>> Bob
>> K2TK  ex KN2TKR (1956) & K2TKR
>>
>>
>> On 9/25/2018 8:48 PM, JOE wrote:
>>> On 9/25/2018 8:15 PM, elecraft-request at mailman.qth.net wrote:
>>>> Message: 6
>>>> Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2018 14:36:59 -0400
>>>> From: Grant Youngman<ghyoungman at gmail.com>
>>>> To: Elecraft Reflector Reflector<elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
>>>> Subject: [Elecraft] Shipping high value items by UPS
>>>>
>>>> The thread started by the gentleman who thought his KX2 might be dead
>> and
>>>> needed to go to Elecraft motivated me to make this comment about
>> shipping.
>>> I shipped my K3 back to Elecraft earlier this year via UPS and $2,500
>>> insurance.  I use a local hardware store in my town that has UPS service
>> at the
>>> normal rates.  They said they use a company that contracts with UPS for
>>> shipping.  The company that provides the UPS service to the hardware
>> store
>>> requires inspection of high value packages, reportedly due to some fraud
>> cases
>>> in the past.  Because they know me well they took my word that I double
>> boxed it
>>> and packed it well, I didn't have to unpack it.  I had shipped many
>> things with
>>> them in the past with no problems.
>>>
>>> For the return address, I use my local post office where I have a PO
>> box.  It's
>>> a little known fact that the USPS will accept packages for PO box
>> holders from
>>> any private carrier, UPS, FedEx, etc.  They will also sign for some
>> packages
>>> requiring signature if you have a signature on file.  This solves my
>> problem of
>>> packages left on my doorstep for people to potentially steal.  This also
>> solves
>>> the problem of people/businesses that will not ship to a PO box.
>>>
>>> This is how I address packages to be mailed to me.
>>>
>>> My Name
>>> 34 Main Street  #(my PO box number)
>>> East Haddam, CT 06423
>>>
>>> A really nice feature of the post office.  Look at:
>>>
>>> <https://www.usps.com/manage/po-boxes.htm>
>>>
>>> 73, Joe, K1ike
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From donanddeena at hotmail.com  Wed Sep 26 20:14:06 2018
From: donanddeena at hotmail.com (Don Schroder)
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2018 00:14:06 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 Alignment and Test, Part II issues
Message-ID: <MW2PR02MB3849174179D64C277C662E15AA140@MW2PR02MB3849.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>

Hi folks,

Got to the subject location on my K2 kit #7818, and am having some difficulties with the tests. My frequency counter, when touched to the left side of trimmer capacitor C22, reads 3999.98 on the LCD. This makes me believe there is no problem with the frequency counter probe that I assembled.

On page 63, under *4 MHz Oscillator Calibration,  I selected CAL FCTR, and the LCD displays a rapidly changing frequency between 185.~ to 188.~. It does not show a frequency of 12090 kHz  suggested by the manual.  This tells me I have a problem with the PLL Reference Oscillator (since the frequency counter probe appeared to be ok). I then decided to check voltages, and discovered that I am missing some +5v signals from U4 and U5.

Any suggestions on where to look next? I?d like to trace the 5v signals, but I don?t see how to do that using the schematics. I did measure voltages on the 8 pins of the Thermistor Board, they were all 0 volts! That didn?t seem right, either.

Appreciate any suggestions! Thanks!
Don, KE0PVQ

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From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Wed Sep 26 20:44:44 2018
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2018 20:44:44 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 Alignment and Test, Part II issues
In-Reply-To: <MW2PR02MB3849174179D64C277C662E15AA140@MW2PR02MB3849.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
References: <MW2PR02MB3849174179D64C277C662E15AA140@MW2PR02MB3849.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <80fe268b-aa3f-592b-cd70-d999b0fa51c6@embarqmail.com>

Don,

First check the DC voltage at RF Board U6 pin 5 - it should be 4 volts 
(or 1/2 the 8 volt regulator output voltage).  If it is not correct, you 
have a problem with the thermistor board - most likely a solder bridge.

You should have 8 volts at the thermistor board pin 8.  If that is not 
correct, look carefully for solder bridges.  That 8 volts comes directly 
from the 8 volt regulator voltage rail.

It does sound like you have a problem with the PLL Reference Oscillator, 
but your voltage measurements on the thermistor board pins should be 
investigated first before drawing any other conclusions.

Make sure you have good results with the PLL range tests just after that.

The exact frequency of the 4 MHz Oscillator is not critical at this 
point - for now it only substantiates that the oscillator is working. 
If you put a probe on C22, it will pull the frequency.  If your 
frequency counter is sufficiently accurate, wait until you have a good 
frequency at TP1, and then measure the frequency with both the counter 
and the internal counter probe using CAL FCTR.  Adjust C22 so CAL FCTR 
frequency is the same as your external counter.

I do not know the accuracy of your counter, but mine is accurate to 10 
exp-9 and I can set C22 with it for good K2 Dial Calibration.  There are 
other methods for setting C22 that do not depend on the accuracy of your 
frequency counter.  When you can receive WWV at 10 or better 15 MHz, 
look at my website www.w3fpr.com article on K2 Dial Calibration to 
accurately set C22 and achieve good K2 dial calibration.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 9/26/2018 8:14 PM, Don Schroder wrote:
> Hi folks,
> 
> Got to the subject location on my K2 kit #7818, and am having some difficulties with the tests. My frequency counter, when touched to the left side of trimmer capacitor C22, reads 3999.98 on the LCD. This makes me believe there is no problem with the frequency counter probe that I assembled.
> 
> On page 63, under *4 MHz Oscillator Calibration,  I selected CAL FCTR, and the LCD displays a rapidly changing frequency between 185.~ to 188.~. It does not show a frequency of 12090 kHz  suggested by the manual.  This tells me I have a problem with the PLL Reference Oscillator (since the frequency counter probe appeared to be ok). I then decided to check voltages, and discovered that I am missing some +5v signals from U4 and U5.
> 
> Any suggestions on where to look next? I?d like to trace the 5v signals, but I don?t see how to do that using the schematics. I did measure voltages on the 8 pins of the Thermistor Board, they were all 0 volts! That didn?t seem right, either.
> 
> Appreciate any suggestions! Thanks!
> Don, KE0PVQ
> 
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From n0nbd at outlook.com  Wed Sep 26 21:30:59 2018
From: n0nbd at outlook.com (Paul Smith)
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2018 01:30:59 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] My KX2 may be sick
In-Reply-To: <20180926134329.1fa1e31b6b6b329ecc65be958babcc1f.18b7416c89.wbe@email09.godaddy.com>
References: <20180926134329.1fa1e31b6b6b329ecc65be958babcc1f.18b7416c89.wbe@email09.godaddy.com>
Message-ID: <DM5PR19MB1452A52E68537566532259D2EA140@DM5PR19MB1452.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>

Thanks Dave, I have the KXPD2 paddle but do not use it much as I am a straight key guy or bug.

Thanks

de Paul N0NBD


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________________________________
From: Dave New, N8SBE <n8sbe at arrl.net>
Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2018 8:43 PM
To: Paul Smith; elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: RE: [Elecraft] My KX2 may be sick

Paul,

Check your KXPD3 keyer paddle.  It turns out that early versions had screw heads that were a bit too long that stuck out the back side of the paddle housing, causing a short to the chassis, if the heads bit through the black paint.

I have one of these, and it worked fine until the screw head on one side managed to work itself through the paint, then suddenly I was getting ERR KEY on power up.  Elecraft service has shorter screws to fix the issue.  I just put a small patch of black tape on the bare metal chip location under the paddle housing, and all is OK.  Some day I may ask for the modified screws (or paddle, if it has to be replaced as a unit).  Fixing the chip in the black housing is another matter entirely.  Shame it happened on a practically brand new radio.

73, hope that helps,

-- Dave, N8SBE
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] My KX2 may be sick
From: Paul Smith <n0nbd at outlook.com<mailto:n0nbd at outlook.com>>
Date: Tue, September 25, 2018 1:49 pm
To: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net<mailto:elecraft at mailman.qth.net>" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net<mailto:elecraft at mailman.qth.net>>

Thanks guys for the words on my KX2. I was watching the volt meter I have on the power supply. It dropped to 13V when I keyed the rig then shot up to 13.9 and sat rock solid. I changed power supplys and all is well now. The little radio seems to be happy again. And Thanks Don for the advice on NOT sending the rig in. I will check my cables as well, tnx all de N0NBD Paul Smith

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From nr4c at widomaker.com  Wed Sep 26 23:30:54 2018
From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c)
Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2018 23:30:54 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 problem after latest sw update
In-Reply-To: <8373a010-1932-34c7-cc92-7fd35377e8af@pa0kv.nl>
References: <8373a010-1932-34c7-cc92-7fd35377e8af@pa0kv.nl>
Message-ID: <7486B71B-99C8-4BCD-AFCB-3F1C9300E321@widomaker.com>

Restore the CONFIG copy you made before you updated FW. You did do a CONFIG backup didn?t you?

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill


> On Sep 26, 2018, at 3:30 PM, pa0kv at pa0kv.nl wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> 
> Yesterday I updated my K3's sw. After some shutdown and startups it came up as normal.
> 
> But there is no reception. I get noise from my antenna. Unplug the antenna, no noise.
> Send a signal in the air on the tuned frequency ... nothing. No S-meter, no biep.
> 
> What went wrong? I did reinstall all updates. No result.
> 
> Twan - PA0KV
> 
> 
> 
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From pa0kv at pa0kv.nl  Thu Sep 27 06:07:02 2018
From: pa0kv at pa0kv.nl (pa0kv at pa0kv.nl)
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2018 12:07:02 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 problem after latest sw update
Message-ID: <ddfeb729-e4a7-2b0c-ce5a-29f6aa3f6347@pa0kv.nl>

I tuned into my inv-V with 8 Watt on 3.63 Mhz and
connected a 1 meter wire as antenna on my HP frequency counter.
The counter displayed 3.2177 Mhz ! An offset of approximately .412 Mhz

Still no idea. Waiting on k3support at elecraft...

Twan - pa0kv


From kz5d at aol.com  Thu Sep 27 10:07:54 2018
From: kz5d at aol.com (Art)
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2018 10:07:54 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K-Pod CTS to match VFO
Message-ID: <1661b5b7fad-1ec7-2f93@webjas-vad009.srv.aolmail.net>

Hi all,


When the K-Pod first came out, it was mentioned that the CTS of the K-Pod was 1/2 of the VFO. That is still the case. Case in point: Set VFO CTS to 200. K-Pod CTS is only 100.


Could the developers PLEASE write the code to allow the K-Pod to operate at the same CTS as the VFO?


It would certainly be appreciated here. 


73,


Art KZ5D

From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Thu Sep 27 12:01:45 2018
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2018 12:01:45 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 Alignment and Test, Part II issues
In-Reply-To: <MW2PR02MB3849174179D64C277C662E15AA140@MW2PR02MB3849.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
References: <MW2PR02MB3849174179D64C277C662E15AA140@MW2PR02MB3849.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <c97290ee-d194-c7a4-d071-0411afaadb2b@embarqmail.com>

Don,

First check the DC voltage at RF Board U6 pin 5 - it should be 4 volts 
(or 1/2 the 8 volt regulator output voltage).  If it is not correct, you 
have a problem with the thermistor board - most likely a solder bridge.

You should have 8 volts at the thermistor board pin 8.  If that is not 
correct, look carefully for solder bridges.  That 8 volts comes directly 
from the 8 volt regulator voltage rail.

It does sound like you have a problem with the PLL Reference Oscillator, 
but your voltage measurements on the thermistor board pins should be 
investigated first before drawing any other conclusions.

Make sure you have good results with the PLL range tests just after that.

The exact frequency of the 4 MHz Oscillator is not critical at this 
point - for now it only substantiates that the oscillator is working. If 
you put a probe on C22, it will pull the frequency.  If your frequency 
counter is sufficiently accurate, wait until you have a good frequency 
at TP1, and then measure the frequency with both the counter and the 
internal counter probe using CAL FCTR.  Adjust C22 so CAL FCTR frequency 
is the same as your external counter.

I do not know the accuracy of your counter, but mine is accurate to 10 
exp-9 and I can set C22 with it for good K2 Dial Calibration.  There are 
other methods for setting C22 that do not depend on the accuracy of your 
frequency counter.  When you can receive WWV at 10 or better 15 MHz, 
look at my website www.w3fpr.com article on K2 Dial Calibration to 
accurately set C22 and achieve good K2 dial calibration.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 9/26/2018 8:14 PM, Don Schroder wrote:
> Hi folks,
> 
> Got to the subject location on my K2 kit #7818, and am having some difficulties with the tests. My frequency counter, when touched to the left side of trimmer capacitor C22, reads 3999.98 on the LCD. This makes me believe there is no problem with the frequency counter probe that I assembled.
> 
> On page 63, under *4 MHz Oscillator Calibration,  I selected CAL FCTR, and the LCD displays a rapidly changing frequency between 185.~ to 188.~. It does not show a frequency of 12090 kHz  suggested by the manual.  This tells me I have a problem with the PLL Reference Oscillator (since the frequency counter probe appeared to be ok). I then decided to check voltages, and discovered that I am missing some +5v signals from U4 and U5.
> 
> Any suggestions on where to look next? I?d like to trace the 5v signals, but I don?t see how to do that using the schematics. I did measure voltages on the 8 pins of the Thermistor Board, they were all 0 volts! That didn?t seem right, either.
> 
> Appreciate any suggestions! Thanks!
> Don, KE0PVQ
> 
> Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10
> 
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From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Thu Sep 27 12:46:48 2018
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2018 12:46:48 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K-Pod CTS to match VFO
In-Reply-To: <1661b5b7fad-1ec7-2f93@webjas-vad009.srv.aolmail.net>
References: <1661b5b7fad-1ec7-2f93@webjas-vad009.srv.aolmail.net>
Message-ID: <89491920-3e40-26c7-86c1-72cdafcb051b@embarqmail.com>

As I recall, most of the K-pod field testers thought the reduced CTS was 
beneficial given the placement of the knob.

Of course, they were most all CW contesters who wanted a slower tuning rate.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 9/27/2018 10:07 AM, Art via Elecraft wrote:

> 
> When the K-Pod first came out, it was mentioned that the CTS of the K-Pod was 1/2 of the VFO. That is still the case. Case in point: Set VFO CTS to 200. K-Pod CTS is only 100.
> 
> Could the developers PLEASE write the code to allow the K-Pod to operate at the same CTS as the VFO?

From donanddeena at hotmail.com  Thu Sep 27 13:43:41 2018
From: donanddeena at hotmail.com (Don Schroder)
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2018 17:43:41 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 Alignment and Test, Part II issues
In-Reply-To: <c97290ee-d194-c7a4-d071-0411afaadb2b@embarqmail.com>
References: <MW2PR02MB3849174179D64C277C662E15AA140@MW2PR02MB3849.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
	<c97290ee-d194-c7a4-d071-0411afaadb2b@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <MW2PR02MB3849454BDF2729247B10A6FFAA140@MW2PR02MB3849.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>

Don,
Board U6 pin 5
Thank you for the suggestions! The DC voltage at RF Board U6 pin 5 is 0 volts. In fact, all pins of U6, except pin 6, are 0 volts. Pin 6 is less than 1 volt.

I saw a bridge between C96 and RFC10, the schematic shows these two components connecting together, so that should be ok. I?m still looking for bridges.

Could you elaborate a little on the ^voltage rail*? How do I identify the rail on a schematic, or can I? Which component is the 8 volt regulator? I feel I should know the answers to these questions, I must be having a senior moment. Your help and advice is much appreciarted!

Thanks!
Don, KE0PVQ

Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10

From: Don Wilhelm<mailto:donwilh at embarqmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2018 11:01 AM
To: Don Schroder<mailto:donanddeena at hotmail.com>; elecraft at mailman.qth.net<mailto:elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K2 Alignment and Test, Part II issues

Don,

First check the DC voltage at RF Board U6 pin 5 - it should be 4 volts
(or 1/2 the 8 volt regulator output voltage).  If it is not correct, you
have a problem with the thermistor board - most likely a solder bridge.

You should have 8 volts at the thermistor board pin 8.  If that is not
correct, look carefully for solder bridges.  That 8 volts comes directly
from the 8 volt regulator voltage rail.

It does sound like you have a problem with the PLL Reference Oscillator,
but your voltage measurements on the thermistor board pins should be
investigated first before drawing any other conclusions.

Make sure you have good results with the PLL range tests just after that.

The exact frequency of the 4 MHz Oscillator is not critical at this
point - for now it only substantiates that the oscillator is working. If
you put a probe on C22, it will pull the frequency.  If your frequency
counter is sufficiently accurate, wait until you have a good frequency
at TP1, and then measure the frequency with both the counter and the
internal counter probe using CAL FCTR.  Adjust C22 so CAL FCTR frequency
is the same as your external counter.

I do not know the accuracy of your counter, but mine is accurate to 10
exp-9 and I can set C22 with it for good K2 Dial Calibration.  There are
other methods for setting C22 that do not depend on the accuracy of your
frequency counter.  When you can receive WWV at 10 or better 15 MHz,
look at my website www.w3fpr.com article on K2 Dial Calibration to
accurately set C22 and achieve good K2 dial calibration.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 9/26/2018 8:14 PM, Don Schroder wrote:
> Hi folks,
>
> Got to the subject location on my K2 kit #7818, and am having some difficulties with the tests. My frequency counter, when touched to the left side of trimmer capacitor C22, reads 3999.98 on the LCD. This makes me believe there is no problem with the frequency counter probe that I assembled.
>
> On page 63, under *4 MHz Oscillator Calibration,  I selected CAL FCTR, and the LCD displays a rapidly changing frequency between 185.~ to 188.~. It does not show a frequency of 12090 kHz  suggested by the manual.  This tells me I have a problem with the PLL Reference Oscillator (since the frequency counter probe appeared to be ok). I then decided to check voltages, and discovered that I am missing some +5v signals from U4 and U5.
>
> Any suggestions on where to look next? I?d like to trace the 5v signals, but I don?t see how to do that using the schematics. I did measure voltages on the 8 pins of the Thermistor Board, they were all 0 volts! That didn?t seem right, either.
>
> Appreciate any suggestions! Thanks!
> Don, KE0PVQ
>
> Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10
>
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From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Thu Sep 27 14:34:17 2018
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2018 14:34:17 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 Alignment and Test, Part II issues
In-Reply-To: <MW2PR02MB3849454BDF2729247B10A6FFAA140@MW2PR02MB3849.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
References: <MW2PR02MB3849174179D64C277C662E15AA140@MW2PR02MB3849.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
	<c97290ee-d194-c7a4-d071-0411afaadb2b@embarqmail.com>
	<MW2PR02MB3849454BDF2729247B10A6FFAA140@MW2PR02MB3849.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <c365d746-03f8-3ac4-b626-3e2a85303bee@embarqmail.com>

Don,

You apparently have a problem with the thermistor board - or the 8 volts 
to it.
A "voltage rail" are those PC traces that carry voltage to various parts 
of the circuit.
In the K2, there is one for 12 volts, another for 8 volts and another 
for 5 volts.
On the schematic they are labeled "12V", "8A" and "5V" respectively.
The main 8 volt and 5 volt regulators are on the Control Board. You will 
find an "5B" voltage rail at the output of U8 on the RF Board and the 
"8B" voltage is sourced at the output side of RFC16.
If you do not have 8 volts at the thermistor board pin 8, then 
investigate the stripping and tinning of the RFC16 leads.
Once you have 8 volts at the thermistor board (RP3 position) pin 8, then 
recheck the voltage at U6 pin 5 - it should be quite close to 4 volts.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 9/27/2018 1:43 PM, Don Schroder wrote:
>
> Don,
>
> Board U6 pin 5
>
> Thank you for the suggestions! The DC voltage at RF Board U6 pin 5 is 
> 0 volts. In fact, all pins of U6, except pin 6, are 0 volts. Pin 6 is 
> less than 1 volt.
>
> I saw a bridge between C96 and RFC10, the schematic shows these two 
> components connecting together, so that should be ok. I?m still 
> looking for bridges.
>
> Could you elaborate a little on the ^voltage rail*? How do I identify 
> the rail on a schematic, or can I? Which component is the 8 volt 
> regulator? I feel I should know the answers to these questions, I must 
> be having a senior moment. Your help and advice is much appreciarted!
>
> Thanks!
>
> Don, KE0PVQ
>
> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for 
> Windows 10
>
> *From: *Don Wilhelm <mailto:donwilh at embarqmail.com>
> *Sent: *Thursday, September 27, 2018 11:01 AM
> *To: *Don Schroder <mailto:donanddeena at hotmail.com>; 
> elecraft at mailman.qth.net <mailto:elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> *Subject: *Re: [Elecraft] K2 Alignment and Test, Part II issues
>
> Don,
>
> First check the DC voltage at RF Board U6 pin 5 - it should be 4 volts
>
> (or 1/2 the 8 volt regulator output voltage).? If it is not correct, you
>
> have a problem with the thermistor board - most likely a solder bridge.
>
> You should have 8 volts at the thermistor board pin 8.? If that is not
>
> correct, look carefully for solder bridges.? That 8 volts comes directly
>
> from the 8 volt regulator voltage rail.
>
> It does sound like you have a problem with the PLL Reference Oscillator,
>
> but your voltage measurements on the thermistor board pins should be
>
> investigated first before drawing any other conclusions.
>
> Make sure you have good results with the PLL range tests just after that.
>
> The exact frequency of the 4 MHz Oscillator is not critical at this
>
> point - for now it only substantiates that the oscillator is working. If
>
> you put a probe on C22, it will pull the frequency.? If your frequency
>
> counter is sufficiently accurate, wait until you have a good frequency
>
> at TP1, and then measure the frequency with both the counter and the
>
> internal counter probe using CAL FCTR. Adjust C22 so CAL FCTR frequency
>
> is the same as your external counter.
>
> I do not know the accuracy of your counter, but mine is accurate to 10
>
> exp-9 and I can set C22 with it for good K2 Dial Calibration.? There are
>
> other methods for setting C22 that do not depend on the accuracy of your
>
> frequency counter.? When you can receive WWV at 10 or better 15 MHz,
>
> look at my website www.w3fpr.com article on K2 Dial Calibration to
>
> accurately set C22 and achieve good K2 dial calibration.
>
> 73,
>
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 9/26/2018 8:14 PM, Don Schroder wrote:
>
> > Hi folks,
>
> >
>
> > Got to the subject location on my K2 kit #7818, and am having some 
> difficulties with the tests. My frequency counter, when touched to the 
> left side of trimmer capacitor C22, reads 3999.98 on the LCD. This 
> makes me believe there is no problem with the frequency counter probe 
> that I assembled.
>
> >
>
> > On page 63, under *4 MHz Oscillator Calibration,? I selected CAL 
> FCTR, and the LCD displays a rapidly changing frequency between 185.~ 
> to 188.~. It does not show a frequency of 12090 kHz? suggested by the 
> manual.? This tells me I have a problem with the PLL Reference 
> Oscillator (since the frequency counter probe appeared to be ok). I 
> then decided to check voltages, and discovered that I am missing some 
> +5v signals from U4 and U5.
>
> >
>
> > Any suggestions on where to look next? I?d like to trace the 5v 
> signals, but I don?t see how to do that using the schematics. I did 
> measure voltages on the 8 pins of the Thermistor Board, they were all 
> 0 volts! That didn?t seem right, either.
>
> >
>
> > Appreciate any suggestions! Thanks!
>
> > Don, KE0PVQ
>
> >
>
> > Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for 
> Windows 10
>
> >
>
> > ______________________________________________________________
>
> > Elecraft mailing list
>
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>
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>
> >
>


From drzarkof56 at yahoo.com  Thu Sep 27 16:38:18 2018
From: drzarkof56 at yahoo.com (Doug Millar)
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2018 20:38:18 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] Looking for a P3
References: <158249631.558143.1538080698795.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <158249631.558143.1538080698795@mail.yahoo.com>

Hi, I would like to buy a used P3 panadaptor. Does anyone know of one for sale?? VGA board would be a plus. Please reply privately to drzarkof56 at yahoo.com. 
 Thanks, Doug K6JEY

From donanddeena at hotmail.com  Thu Sep 27 16:41:03 2018
From: donanddeena at hotmail.com (Don Schroder)
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2018 20:41:03 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 Alignment and Test, Part II issues
In-Reply-To: <c365d746-03f8-3ac4-b626-3e2a85303bee@embarqmail.com>
References: <MW2PR02MB3849174179D64C277C662E15AA140@MW2PR02MB3849.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
	<c97290ee-d194-c7a4-d071-0411afaadb2b@embarqmail.com>
	<MW2PR02MB3849454BDF2729247B10A6FFAA140@MW2PR02MB3849.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
	<c365d746-03f8-3ac4-b626-3e2a85303bee@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <MW2PR02MB38498081EA66190AE81D02FDAA140@MW2PR02MB3849.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>

Don,

Thank you for the excellent advice! I went to the bottom of the board and checked the resistance between the ends of RFC16. It was infinite, so I rewound RFC16 and ensured the leads were cleaned good. After reinstalling, I now have 4.~ votes at U6 pin 5, and 8.~ at pin 8. Pin 8 of the Thermistor Board has 8.~ volts, too.

Now, when I select CAL FCTR and enable the frequency counter, the counter shows 00000.00. I believe this tells me there is a problem with the PLL Reference Oscillator. I will continue to look at those components. Any other suggestions?

Thanks!
Don, KE0PVQ

Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10

From: Don Wilhelm<mailto:donwilh at embarqmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2018 1:34 PM
To: Don Schroder<mailto:donanddeena at hotmail.com>; elecraft at mailman.qth.net<mailto:elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K2 Alignment and Test, Part II issues

Don,

You apparently have a problem with the thermistor board - or the 8 volts
to it.
A "voltage rail" are those PC traces that carry voltage to various parts
of the circuit.
In the K2, there is one for 12 volts, another for 8 volts and another
for 5 volts.
On the schematic they are labeled "12V", "8A" and "5V" respectively.
The main 8 volt and 5 volt regulators are on the Control Board. You will
find an "5B" voltage rail at the output of U8 on the RF Board and the
"8B" voltage is sourced at the output side of RFC16.
If you do not have 8 volts at the thermistor board pin 8, then
investigate the stripping and tinning of the RFC16 leads.
Once you have 8 volts at the thermistor board (RP3 position) pin 8, then
recheck the voltage at U6 pin 5 - it should be quite close to 4 volts.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 9/27/2018 1:43 PM, Don Schroder wrote:
>
> Don,
>
> Board U6 pin 5
>
> Thank you for the suggestions! The DC voltage at RF Board U6 pin 5 is
> 0 volts. In fact, all pins of U6, except pin 6, are 0 volts. Pin 6 is
> less than 1 volt.
>
> I saw a bridge between C96 and RFC10, the schematic shows these two
> components connecting together, so that should be ok. I?m still
> looking for bridges.
>
> Could you elaborate a little on the ^voltage rail*? How do I identify
> the rail on a schematic, or can I? Which component is the 8 volt
> regulator? I feel I should know the answers to these questions, I must
> be having a senior moment. Your help and advice is much appreciarted!
>
> Thanks!
>
> Don, KE0PVQ
>
> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
> Windows 10
>
> *From: *Don Wilhelm <mailto:donwilh at embarqmail.com>
> *Sent: *Thursday, September 27, 2018 11:01 AM
> *To: *Don Schroder <mailto:donanddeena at hotmail.com>;
> elecraft at mailman.qth.net <mailto:elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> *Subject: *Re: [Elecraft] K2 Alignment and Test, Part II issues
>
> Don,
>
> First check the DC voltage at RF Board U6 pin 5 - it should be 4 volts
>
> (or 1/2 the 8 volt regulator output voltage).  If it is not correct, you
>
> have a problem with the thermistor board - most likely a solder bridge.
>
> You should have 8 volts at the thermistor board pin 8.  If that is not
>
> correct, look carefully for solder bridges.  That 8 volts comes directly
>
> from the 8 volt regulator voltage rail.
>
> It does sound like you have a problem with the PLL Reference Oscillator,
>
> but your voltage measurements on the thermistor board pins should be
>
> investigated first before drawing any other conclusions.
>
> Make sure you have good results with the PLL range tests just after that.
>
> The exact frequency of the 4 MHz Oscillator is not critical at this
>
> point - for now it only substantiates that the oscillator is working. If
>
> you put a probe on C22, it will pull the frequency.  If your frequency
>
> counter is sufficiently accurate, wait until you have a good frequency
>
> at TP1, and then measure the frequency with both the counter and the
>
> internal counter probe using CAL FCTR. Adjust C22 so CAL FCTR frequency
>
> is the same as your external counter.
>
> I do not know the accuracy of your counter, but mine is accurate to 10
>
> exp-9 and I can set C22 with it for good K2 Dial Calibration.  There are
>
> other methods for setting C22 that do not depend on the accuracy of your
>
> frequency counter.  When you can receive WWV at 10 or better 15 MHz,
>
> look at my website www.w3fpr.com article on K2 Dial Calibration to
>
> accurately set C22 and achieve good K2 dial calibration.
>
> 73,
>
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 9/26/2018 8:14 PM, Don Schroder wrote:
>
> > Hi folks,
>
> >
>
> > Got to the subject location on my K2 kit #7818, and am having some
> difficulties with the tests. My frequency counter, when touched to the
> left side of trimmer capacitor C22, reads 3999.98 on the LCD. This
> makes me believe there is no problem with the frequency counter probe
> that I assembled.
>
> >
>
> > On page 63, under *4 MHz Oscillator Calibration,  I selected CAL
> FCTR, and the LCD displays a rapidly changing frequency between 185.~
> to 188.~. It does not show a frequency of 12090 kHz  suggested by the
> manual.  This tells me I have a problem with the PLL Reference
> Oscillator (since the frequency counter probe appeared to be ok). I
> then decided to check voltages, and discovered that I am missing some
> +5v signals from U4 and U5.
>
> >
>
> > Any suggestions on where to look next? I?d like to trace the 5v
> signals, but I don?t see how to do that using the schematics. I did
> measure voltages on the 8 pins of the Thermistor Board, they were all
> 0 volts! That didn?t seem right, either.
>
> >
>
> > Appreciate any suggestions! Thanks!
>
> > Don, KE0PVQ
>
> >
>
> > Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
> Windows 10
>
> >
>
> > ______________________________________________________________
>
> > Elecraft mailing list
>
> > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
>
> > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
>
> > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>
> >
>
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>
> > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
>
> > Message delivered to donwilh at embarqmail.com
>
> >
>



From alang0hiq at yahoo.com  Thu Sep 27 17:05:58 2018
From: alang0hiq at yahoo.com (Alan B)
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2018 22:05:58 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Digest, Vol 173, Issue 24
In-Reply-To: <mailman.299.1538070231.2969.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
References: <mailman.299.1538070231.2969.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID: <2FBB616D-89DA-49E1-9B93-69AC8E857C09@yahoo.com>



73 Alan

> On 27 Sep 2018, at 18:43, elecraft-request at mailman.qth.net wrote:
> 
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> Today's Topics:
> 
>   1. Re: Shipping high value items by UPS (JOE)
>   2. K3 internal 2-meter transverter problem (Rus Healy)
>   3. Re: P3 Turn On (Martin Sole)
>   4. Re: P3 Turn On (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
>   5. Re: Shipping high value items by UPS (Bill Johnson)
>   6. Re: Shipping high value items by UPS (K9MA)
>   7. Re: Shipping high value items by UPS (Barry)
>   8. Re: Shipping high value items by UPS (Dan Mouer)
>   9. Re: Shipping high value items by UPS (Bob)
>  10. Re: Shipping high value items by UPS (Gwen Patton)
>  11. K3 problem after latest sw update (pa0kv at pa0kv.nl)
>  12. Re: My KX2 may be sick (Dave New, N8SBE)
>  13. Re: Shipping high value items by UPS
>      (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft)
>  14. K2 Alignment and Test, Part II issues (Don Schroder)
>  15. Re: K2 Alignment and Test, Part II issues (Don Wilhelm)
>  16. Re: My KX2 may be sick (Paul Smith)
>  17. Re: K3 problem after latest sw update (Nr4c)
>  18. Re: K3 problem after latest sw update (pa0kv at pa0kv.nl)
>  19. K-Pod CTS to match VFO (Art)
>  20. Re: K2 Alignment and Test, Part II issues (Don Wilhelm)
>  21. Re: K-Pod CTS to match VFO (Don Wilhelm)
>  22. Re: K2 Alignment and Test, Part II issues (Don Schroder)
> 
> 
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2018 20:48:14 -0400
> From: JOE <k1ike at snet.net>
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Shipping high value items by UPS
> Message-ID: <7c99217d-44f6-75dd-22e0-45430110f653 at snet.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
> 
>> On 9/25/2018 8:15 PM, elecraft-request at mailman.qth.net wrote:
>> Message: 6
>> Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2018 14:36:59 -0400
>> From: Grant Youngman<ghyoungman at gmail.com>
>> To: Elecraft Reflector Reflector<elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
>> Subject: [Elecraft] Shipping high value items by UPS
>> 
>> The thread started by the gentleman who thought his KX2 might be dead and needed to go to Elecraft motivated me to make this comment about shipping.
> 
> I shipped my K3 back to Elecraft earlier this year via UPS and $2,500 
> insurance.? I use a local hardware store in my town that has UPS service 
> at the normal rates.? They said they use a company that contracts with 
> UPS for shipping.? The company that provides the UPS service to the 
> hardware store requires inspection of high value packages, reportedly 
> due to some fraud cases in the past.? Because they know me well they 
> took my word that I double boxed it and packed it well, I didn't have to 
> unpack it.? I had shipped many things with them in the past with no 
> problems.
> 
> For the return address, I use my local post office where I have a PO 
> box.? It's a little known fact that the USPS will accept packages for PO 
> box holders from any private carrier, UPS, FedEx, etc.? They will also 
> sign for some packages requiring signature if you have a signature on 
> file.? This solves my problem of packages left on my doorstep for people 
> to potentially steal.? This also solves the problem of people/businesses 
> that will not ship to a PO box.
> 
> This is how I address packages to be mailed to me.
> 
> My Name
> 34 Main Street? #(my PO box number)
> East Haddam, CT 06423
> 
> A really nice feature of the post office.? Look at:
> 
> <https://www.usps.com/manage/po-boxes.htm>
> 
> 73, Joe, K1ike
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2018 21:13:27 -0400
> From: Rus Healy <rus.healy at gmail.com>
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [Elecraft] K3 internal 2-meter transverter problem
> Message-ID:
>    <CAGK9h=MdtczXDmeCe4ec7sC+86UbAvCdoYXRe5JVXf92b1hjuA at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
> 
> I have an older K3 (low-2000 serial number) with the K144XV internal
> 2-meter transverter and KXV3A module (factory-upgraded in 2014).
> 
> In the September VHF contest, the first time I've used that band on that
> radio, I found that the transmitter is flying. It puts out 2-3 watts when
> keyed, regardless of mode (CW, SSB), with no keying/modulation. It drives
> up to a few watts output and sounds okay on-frequency, TX and RX, but is
> clearly not stable and the bad energy is in-band on 2 meters, and quite
> nearby.
> 
> I haven't looked at the output on the spectrum analyzer yet, or taken the
> radio apart to inspect the transverter; I wanted to ask here for any
> similar experiences before I tear into it to hopefully save a bit of time.
> 
> Thanks in advance.
> 
> --73, Rus, K2UA
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2018 10:21:45 +0700
> From: Martin Sole <hs0zed at gmail.com>
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 Turn On
> Message-ID: <e66335b6-3b36-7b8b-9d8e-24224018c6e5 at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
> 
> Mine does this. The white screen has gone though by the time my finger 
> comes off the K3 power button, replaced with a P3 boot loader message, 
> that's also gone very quickly.
> 
> Martin, HS0ZED
> 
> 
>> On 26/09/2018 07:15, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote:
>> Just purchased a NIB P3 for my K3S station.?? Love it!
>> 
>> Question - is it normal for it to initially power on with a bright 
>> white screen while it loads?? This is very brief, but sure makes a 
>> flash. ? If normal, then so be it.? It is powered from the DC jack on 
>> the K3S.?? I always switch the station supply on first and then the 
>> radio.? Thus the KAT500 and P3 are powered from the same switched source.
>> 
>> I did update it to the latest firmware as it came to me with older 
>> version.
>> 
>> 73
>> 
>> Bob, K4TAX
>> 
>> 
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> Message: 4
> Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2018 22:27:02 -0500
> From: Bob McGraw K4TAX <rmcgraw at blomand.net>
> To: Martin Sole <hs0zed at gmail.com>
> Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 Turn On
> Message-ID: <1F2E19DF-6405-4FA1-8F9E-CED0F0016ED6 at blomand.net>
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> 
> Thanks Martin.
> 
> Just wondering if it is normal.  From the reports, it is. 
> 
> Thanks to all. 
> 
> Bob, K4TAX
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 25, 2018, at 10:21 PM, Martin Sole <hs0zed at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Mine does this. The white screen has gone though by the time my finger comes off the K3 power button, replaced with a P3 boot loader message, that's also gone very quickly.
>> 
>> Martin, HS0ZED
>> 
>> 
>>> On 26/09/2018 07:15, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote:
>>> Just purchased a NIB P3 for my K3S station.   Love it!
>>> 
>>> Question - is it normal for it to initially power on with a bright white screen while it loads?  This is very brief, but sure makes a flash.   If normal, then so be it.  It is powered from the DC jack on the K3S.   I always switch the station supply on first and then the radio.  Thus the KAT500 and P3 are powered from the same switched source.
>>> 
>>> I did update it to the latest firmware as it came to me with older version.
>>> 
>>> 73
>>> 
>>> Bob, K4TAX
>>> 
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> Message: 5
> Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2018 03:28:44 +0000
> From: Bill Johnson <k9yeq at live.com>
> To: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Shipping high value items by UPS
> Message-ID:
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> 
> Joe, that is very good info for us with PO Boxes and want greater security.  
> 
> 73,
> Bill
> K9YEQ
> 
> https://wrj-tech.com/
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On Behalf Of JOE
> Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2018 7:48 PM
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Shipping high value items by UPS
> 
>> On 9/25/2018 8:15 PM, elecraft-request at mailman.qth.net wrote:
>> Message: 6
>> Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2018 14:36:59 -0400
>> From: Grant Youngman<ghyoungman at gmail.com>
>> To: Elecraft Reflector Reflector<elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
>> Subject: [Elecraft] Shipping high value items by UPS
>> 
>> The thread started by the gentleman who thought his KX2 might be dead and needed to go to Elecraft motivated me to make this comment about shipping.
> 
> I shipped my K3 back to Elecraft earlier this year via UPS and $2,500 insurance.? I use a local hardware store in my town that has UPS service at the normal rates.? They said they use a company that contracts with UPS for shipping.? The company that provides the UPS service to the hardware store requires inspection of high value packages, reportedly due to some fraud cases in the past.? Because they know me well they took my word that I double boxed it and packed it well, I didn't have to unpack it.? I had shipped many things with them in the past with no problems.
> 
> For the return address, I use my local post office where I have a PO box.? It's a little known fact that the USPS will accept packages for PO box holders from any private carrier, UPS, FedEx, etc.? They will also sign for some packages requiring signature if you have a signature on file.? This solves my problem of packages left on my doorstep for people to potentially steal.? This also solves the problem of people/businesses that will not ship to a PO box.
> 
> This is how I address packages to be mailed to me.
> 
> My Name
> 34 Main Street? #(my PO box number)
> East Haddam, CT 06423
> 
> A really nice feature of the post office.? Look at:
> 
> <https://www.usps.com/manage/po-boxes.htm>
> 
> 73, Joe, K1ike
> 
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> Message: 6
> Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2018 23:27:22 -0500
> From: K9MA <k9ma at sdellington.us>
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Shipping high value items by UPS
> Message-ID: <ca7cf086-20a6-a5fa-6a83-afb3c7327251 at sdellington.us>
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> 
> I learned an expensive lesson when I shipped my K3 back for service: 
> Never ship from a UPS "Store", unless you prepay online. The store 
> charged me about double the online price, with some excuse about using a 
> different insurance company. You can, however, prepay online and just 
> drop it off at a nearby store.
> 
> 73,
> Scott K9MA
> 
> 
> -- 
> Scott  K9MA
> 
> k9ma at sdellington.us
> 
> 
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> Message: 7
> Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2018 04:41:48 -0700 (MST)
> From: Barry <w2up at comcast.net>
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Shipping high value items by UPS
> Message-ID: <1537962108715-0.post at n2.nabble.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> 
> One semi-related warning:
> Avoid DHL.
> 
> I ordered a piece of furniture from Italy, which included a glass-top table. 
> It arrived in a wooden crate, which looked perfect from the outside, but the
> glass was totally shattered inside.  They mist have dropped it on its edge
> from a good height, or dropped something heavy on top of it.
> 
> Currently going through the insurance claim process, and the number of
> repetitive phone calls and emails has been mind-boggling.  A very poorly
> managed company.
> 
> Barry W2UP
> 
> 
> 
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> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 8
> Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2018 08:33:39 -0400
> From: Dan Mouer <n3xjn.usa at gmail.com>
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Shipping high value items by UPS
> Message-ID:
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
> 
> Just my opinion, but I can't get USPS to reliably deliver my mail on a
> regular basis. No way am I trusting them with a high value package.
> I hate and dread it when I order something and it starts out UPS or FedEx
> and ends up "smart posting" through USPS the last mile.
> 
> The few times I've tried to file a complaint (via phone or face to face)
> all I got was a run around and a carrier lying to my face.
> 
> YMMV.
> 
> Dan - N3XJN
> 
> 
> On Tue, Sep 25, 2018 at 4:19 PM Peter Dougherty (W2IRT) <lists at w2irt.net>
> wrote:
> 
>> I ship *everything* by the US Postal Service, and if the day ever comes
>> that I need to send my K3s or KPA-1500 back for service you can bet it'll
>> be using the post office, with original Elecraft shipping boxes and a
>> premium shipping method with full insurance. I ship merchandise
>> commercially and I've found their insurance far easier to claim on the 2
>> instances in 27 years that I needed to do so than the first (and only) time
>> I ever tried to do this with UPS on a used/dead laptop. And they refused to
>> pay. FedEx I wouldn't trust to pick up a piece of litter on the ground, let
>> alone a $6,000 amp.
>> 
>> 
>> ----------------------------------------------------
>> Regards,
>> Peter Dougherty, W2IRT
>> DXCC Card Checker/CQ-WAZ Checkpoint
>> 
>> www.facebook.com/W2IRT
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:
>> elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Grant Youngman
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2018 3:53 PM
>> To: Elecraft Reflector Reflector
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Shipping high value items by UPS
>> 
>> I don?t know what the other guys do.  But this has apparently been a UPS
>> policy since February for packages  delivered to the Service Center.
>> Didn?t know about it of course, and don?t think there was any kind of
>> warning on the website.  Maybe just missed the announcement.   I seem to
>> recall the last time I shipped something insured for near maximum value,
>> that the UPS Store could take it and sign for it, but that doesn?t seem to
>> be the case any longer.
>> 
>> I?m not deriding UPS, just be aware if you ship an item (like a K3) with
>> high-value insurance by UPS,  and have to take it to a Service Center,
>> expect them to ask you (you have to do yourself) to open or unpack the item
>> so they can inspect it and make sure it isn?t ticking :-)
>> 
>> Grant NQ5T
>> K3 #2091 KX3 #8342
>> 
>>> On Sep 25, 2018, at 3:31 PM, Carl J?n Denbow <n8vz at qth.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Never had a problem like that at UPS, and I?ve shipped many high value
>> items with them.  I did have a problem like that, but not as severe, at
>> FedEx once. They opened the box because I said the value was about
>> $4000.00.  They had to insure the packing was sufficient.  I?ve avoided
>> them for high-value items ever since. 73 de Carl
>>> 
>> 
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> Message: 9
> Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2018 15:14:17 -0400
> From: Bob <K2TK at att.net>
> To: JOE <k1ike at snet.net>, Elecraft Reflector
>    <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Shipping high value items by UPS
> Message-ID: <a35fe77f-9a92-2600-8454-47c0ec402aac at att.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
> 
> Well I'll confess to being in the USPS supporter camp.  I've had great service 
> from them.   My KPA1500 even came Priority Mail.
> 
> I use the addressing scheme below too.
> 
> I have a POB and another great free PO service is Informed delivery.  Every 
> morning I get an email with pictures of mail for the day.  From it I can make a 
> decision if I want to or need to go to the PO that day.  Here:
> 
> https://informeddelivery.usps.com/box/pages/intro/start.action
> 
> Not a well known PO service.
> 
> 73,
> Bob
> K2TK  ex KN2TKR (1956) & K2TKR
> 
> 
>> On 9/25/2018 8:48 PM, JOE wrote:
>>> On 9/25/2018 8:15 PM, elecraft-request at mailman.qth.net wrote:
>>> Message: 6
>>> Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2018 14:36:59 -0400
>>> From: Grant Youngman<ghyoungman at gmail.com>
>>> To: Elecraft Reflector Reflector<elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
>>> Subject: [Elecraft] Shipping high value items by UPS
>>> 
>>> The thread started by the gentleman who thought his KX2 might be dead and 
>>> needed to go to Elecraft motivated me to make this comment about shipping.
>> 
>> I shipped my K3 back to Elecraft earlier this year via UPS and $2,500 
>> insurance.? I use a local hardware store in my town that has UPS service at the 
>> normal rates.? They said they use a company that contracts with UPS for 
>> shipping.? The company that provides the UPS service to the hardware store 
>> requires inspection of high value packages, reportedly due to some fraud cases 
>> in the past.? Because they know me well they took my word that I double boxed it 
>> and packed it well, I didn't have to unpack it.? I had shipped many things with 
>> them in the past with no problems.
>> 
>> For the return address, I use my local post office where I have a PO box.? It's 
>> a little known fact that the USPS will accept packages for PO box holders from 
>> any private carrier, UPS, FedEx, etc.? They will also sign for some packages 
>> requiring signature if you have a signature on file.? This solves my problem of 
>> packages left on my doorstep for people to potentially steal.? This also solves 
>> the problem of people/businesses that will not ship to a PO box.
>> 
>> This is how I address packages to be mailed to me.
>> 
>> My Name
>> 34 Main Street? #(my PO box number)
>> East Haddam, CT 06423
>> 
>> A really nice feature of the post office.? Look at:
>> 
>> <https://www.usps.com/manage/po-boxes.htm>
>> 
>> 73, Joe, K1ike
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 10
> Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2018 15:26:14 -0400
> From: Gwen Patton <ardrhi at gmail.com>
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Shipping high value items by UPS
> Message-ID:
>    <CA+nQa2P0macg-Sw0r+Q5P91bjw5nh2ncmafpAkG3vJ3+Kwoz-Q at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
> 
> My KXPA100 order hit on a day when it was raining fairly heavily. The UPS
> driver clearly thought we wouldn't be home for some reason -- perhaps too
> cynical? I don't know -- so he didn't bother to carry it the 14 lb box to
> the house. Maybe he didn't want to have to carry it back to the van in the
> rain? An interesting speculation, except for one small detail.
> 
> I was home. So was my partner. We were sitting 6 feet from the door, and if
> the driver had even set foot on the porch, we would have noticed him
> because we were sitting by a window onto the porch. Instead, he brought a
> small Amazon package to the porch, to which he affixed the "sorry, we
> missed you" tag, and tossed them onto the porch and ran back to his van. In
> earlier times, they simply would have brought the package back the next
> day, but not these days. He took the package to a pickup spot, a UPS store
> about 5 miles from my house, and I had to pick it up the next day, in
> person, with my ID so I could sign for it.
> 
> The sheer laziness of this event stunned me. He just didn't seem to want to
> carry the box to the door in the rain, and was willing to inconvenience the
> recipient of an expensive package just to avoid a couple minutes' work. I
> don't have this trouble with FedEx, though I sometimes have problems with
> Amazon drivers who claim not only that they delivered my package, but put
> it directly into my hands, when I didn't even receive it until 2 days
> later. They simply lie to avoid doing their jobs. It's the only thing I can
> think of to explain it.
> 
> It doesn't do any good to complain. I raised the roof at UPS, and it had
> zero effect. The woman on the phone told me she'd have the package brought
> back to my door. Instead, it went to the pickup spot and I had to get my
> disabled butt to their store to pick it up. Very frustrating!
> 
>> On Wed, Sep 26, 2018 at 3:14 PM Bob <K2TK at att.net> wrote:
>> 
>> Well I'll confess to being in the USPS supporter camp.  I've had great
>> service
>> from them.   My KPA1500 even came Priority Mail.
>> 
>> I use the addressing scheme below too.
>> 
>> I have a POB and another great free PO service is Informed delivery.
>> Every
>> morning I get an email with pictures of mail for the day.  From it I can
>> make a
>> decision if I want to or need to go to the PO that day.  Here:
>> 
>> https://informeddelivery.usps.com/box/pages/intro/start.action
>> 
>> Not a well known PO service.
>> 
>> 73,
>> Bob
>> K2TK  ex KN2TKR (1956) & K2TKR
>> 
>> 
>>> On 9/25/2018 8:48 PM, JOE wrote:
>>>> On 9/25/2018 8:15 PM, elecraft-request at mailman.qth.net wrote:
>>>> Message: 6
>>>> Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2018 14:36:59 -0400
>>>> From: Grant Youngman<ghyoungman at gmail.com>
>>>> To: Elecraft Reflector Reflector<elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
>>>> Subject: [Elecraft] Shipping high value items by UPS
>>>> 
>>>> The thread started by the gentleman who thought his KX2 might be dead
>> and
>>>> needed to go to Elecraft motivated me to make this comment about
>> shipping.
>>> 
>>> I shipped my K3 back to Elecraft earlier this year via UPS and $2,500
>>> insurance.  I use a local hardware store in my town that has UPS service
>> at the
>>> normal rates.  They said they use a company that contracts with UPS for
>>> shipping.  The company that provides the UPS service to the hardware
>> store
>>> requires inspection of high value packages, reportedly due to some fraud
>> cases
>>> in the past.  Because they know me well they took my word that I double
>> boxed it
>>> and packed it well, I didn't have to unpack it.  I had shipped many
>> things with
>>> them in the past with no problems.
>>> 
>>> For the return address, I use my local post office where I have a PO
>> box.  It's
>>> a little known fact that the USPS will accept packages for PO box
>> holders from
>>> any private carrier, UPS, FedEx, etc.  They will also sign for some
>> packages
>>> requiring signature if you have a signature on file.  This solves my
>> problem of
>>> packages left on my doorstep for people to potentially steal.  This also
>> solves
>>> the problem of people/businesses that will not ship to a PO box.
>>> 
>>> This is how I address packages to be mailed to me.
>>> 
>>> My Name
>>> 34 Main Street  #(my PO box number)
>>> East Haddam, CT 06423
>>> 
>>> A really nice feature of the post office.  Look at:
>>> 
>>> <https://www.usps.com/manage/po-boxes.htm>
>>> 
>>> 73, Joe, K1ike
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> 
> Message: 11
> Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2018 21:30:07 +0200
> From: pa0kv at pa0kv.nl
> To: elecraft digest <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: [Elecraft] K3 problem after latest sw update
> Message-ID: <8373a010-1932-34c7-cc92-7fd35377e8af at pa0kv.nl>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
> 
> Hi!
> 
> Yesterday I updated my K3's sw. After some shutdown and startups it came 
> up as normal.
> 
> But there is no reception. I get noise from my antenna. Unplug the 
> antenna, no noise.
> Send a signal in the air on the tuned frequency ... nothing. No S-meter, 
> no biep.
> 
> What went wrong? I did reinstall all updates. No result.
> 
> Twan - PA0KV
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 12
> Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2018 13:43:29 -0700
> From: "Dave New, N8SBE" <n8sbe at arrl.net>
> To: "Paul Smith" <n0nbd at outlook.com>,    "elecraft at mailman.qth.net"
>    <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] My KX2 may be sick
> Message-ID:
>    <20180926134329.1fa1e31b6b6b329ecc65be958babcc1f.18b7416c89.wbe at email09.godaddy.com>
>    
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 13
> Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2018 14:49:29 -0700
> From: "Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft" <eric at elecraft.com>
> To: Gwen Patton <ardrhi at gmail.com>, elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Shipping high value items by UPS
> Message-ID: <9ad16e3c-20d4-4788-0355-41a4f6ee142b at elecraft.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
> 
> Folks, this OT thread was closed yesterday.
> Eric
> Moderator
> /elecraft.com/
> 
>> On 9/26/2018 12:26 PM, Gwen Patton wrote:
>> My KXPA100 order hit on a day when it was raining fairly heavily. The UPS
>> driver clearly thought we wouldn't be home for some reason -- perhaps too
>> cynical? I don't know -- so he didn't bother to carry it the 14 lb box to
>> the house. Maybe he didn't want to have to carry it back to the van in the
>> rain? An interesting speculation, except for one small detail.
>> 
>> I was home. So was my partner. We were sitting 6 feet from the door, and if
>> the driver had even set foot on the porch, we would have noticed him
>> because we were sitting by a window onto the porch. Instead, he brought a
>> small Amazon package to the porch, to which he affixed the "sorry, we
>> missed you" tag, and tossed them onto the porch and ran back to his van. In
>> earlier times, they simply would have brought the package back the next
>> day, but not these days. He took the package to a pickup spot, a UPS store
>> about 5 miles from my house, and I had to pick it up the next day, in
>> person, with my ID so I could sign for it.
>> 
>> The sheer laziness of this event stunned me. He just didn't seem to want to
>> carry the box to the door in the rain, and was willing to inconvenience the
>> recipient of an expensive package just to avoid a couple minutes' work. I
>> don't have this trouble with FedEx, though I sometimes have problems with
>> Amazon drivers who claim not only that they delivered my package, but put
>> it directly into my hands, when I didn't even receive it until 2 days
>> later. They simply lie to avoid doing their jobs. It's the only thing I can
>> think of to explain it.
>> 
>> It doesn't do any good to complain. I raised the roof at UPS, and it had
>> zero effect. The woman on the phone told me she'd have the package brought
>> back to my door. Instead, it went to the pickup spot and I had to get my
>> disabled butt to their store to pick it up. Very frustrating!
>> 
>>> On Wed, Sep 26, 2018 at 3:14 PM Bob <K2TK at att.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Well I'll confess to being in the USPS supporter camp.  I've had great
>>> service
>>> from them.   My KPA1500 even came Priority Mail.
>>> 
>>> I use the addressing scheme below too.
>>> 
>>> I have a POB and another great free PO service is Informed delivery.
>>> Every
>>> morning I get an email with pictures of mail for the day.  From it I can
>>> make a
>>> decision if I want to or need to go to the PO that day.  Here:
>>> 
>>> https://informeddelivery.usps.com/box/pages/intro/start.action
>>> 
>>> Not a well known PO service.
>>> 
>>> 73,
>>> Bob
>>> K2TK  ex KN2TKR (1956) & K2TKR
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 9/25/2018 8:48 PM, JOE wrote:
>>>>> On 9/25/2018 8:15 PM, elecraft-request at mailman.qth.net wrote:
>>>>> Message: 6
>>>>> Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2018 14:36:59 -0400
>>>>> From: Grant Youngman<ghyoungman at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: Elecraft Reflector Reflector<elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
>>>>> Subject: [Elecraft] Shipping high value items by UPS
>>>>> 
>>>>> The thread started by the gentleman who thought his KX2 might be dead
>>> and
>>>>> needed to go to Elecraft motivated me to make this comment about
>>> shipping.
>>>> I shipped my K3 back to Elecraft earlier this year via UPS and $2,500
>>>> insurance.  I use a local hardware store in my town that has UPS service
>>> at the
>>>> normal rates.  They said they use a company that contracts with UPS for
>>>> shipping.  The company that provides the UPS service to the hardware
>>> store
>>>> requires inspection of high value packages, reportedly due to some fraud
>>> cases
>>>> in the past.  Because they know me well they took my word that I double
>>> boxed it
>>>> and packed it well, I didn't have to unpack it.  I had shipped many
>>> things with
>>>> them in the past with no problems.
>>>> 
>>>> For the return address, I use my local post office where I have a PO
>>> box.  It's
>>>> a little known fact that the USPS will accept packages for PO box
>>> holders from
>>>> any private carrier, UPS, FedEx, etc.  They will also sign for some
>>> packages
>>>> requiring signature if you have a signature on file.  This solves my
>>> problem of
>>>> packages left on my doorstep for people to potentially steal.  This also
>>> solves
>>>> the problem of people/businesses that will not ship to a PO box.
>>>> 
>>>> This is how I address packages to be mailed to me.
>>>> 
>>>> My Name
>>>> 34 Main Street  #(my PO box number)
>>>> East Haddam, CT 06423
>>>> 
>>>> A really nice feature of the post office.  Look at:
>>>> 
>>>> <https://www.usps.com/manage/po-boxes.htm>
>>>> 
>>>> 73, Joe, K1ike
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> Message: 14
> Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2018 00:14:06 +0000
> From: Don Schroder <donanddeena at hotmail.com>
> To: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: [Elecraft] K2 Alignment and Test, Part II issues
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> 
> Hi folks,
> 
> Got to the subject location on my K2 kit #7818, and am having some difficulties with the tests. My frequency counter, when touched to the left side of trimmer capacitor C22, reads 3999.98 on the LCD. This makes me believe there is no problem with the frequency counter probe that I assembled.
> 
> On page 63, under *4 MHz Oscillator Calibration,  I selected CAL FCTR, and the LCD displays a rapidly changing frequency between 185.~ to 188.~. It does not show a frequency of 12090 kHz  suggested by the manual.  This tells me I have a problem with the PLL Reference Oscillator (since the frequency counter probe appeared to be ok). I then decided to check voltages, and discovered that I am missing some +5v signals from U4 and U5.
> 
> Any suggestions on where to look next? I?d like to trace the 5v signals, but I don?t see how to do that using the schematics. I did measure voltages on the 8 pins of the Thermistor Board, they were all 0 volts! That didn?t seem right, either.
> 
> Appreciate any suggestions! Thanks!
> Don, KE0PVQ
> 
> Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10
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> 
> ------------------------------
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> Message: 15
> Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2018 20:44:44 -0400
> From: Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com>
> To: Don Schroder <donanddeena at hotmail.com>,    "elecraft at mailman.qth.net"
>    <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K2 Alignment and Test, Part II issues
> Message-ID: <80fe268b-aa3f-592b-cd70-d999b0fa51c6 at embarqmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
> 
> Don,
> 
> First check the DC voltage at RF Board U6 pin 5 - it should be 4 volts 
> (or 1/2 the 8 volt regulator output voltage).  If it is not correct, you 
> have a problem with the thermistor board - most likely a solder bridge.
> 
> You should have 8 volts at the thermistor board pin 8.  If that is not 
> correct, look carefully for solder bridges.  That 8 volts comes directly 
> from the 8 volt regulator voltage rail.
> 
> It does sound like you have a problem with the PLL Reference Oscillator, 
> but your voltage measurements on the thermistor board pins should be 
> investigated first before drawing any other conclusions.
> 
> Make sure you have good results with the PLL range tests just after that.
> 
> The exact frequency of the 4 MHz Oscillator is not critical at this 
> point - for now it only substantiates that the oscillator is working. 
> If you put a probe on C22, it will pull the frequency.  If your 
> frequency counter is sufficiently accurate, wait until you have a good 
> frequency at TP1, and then measure the frequency with both the counter 
> and the internal counter probe using CAL FCTR.  Adjust C22 so CAL FCTR 
> frequency is the same as your external counter.
> 
> I do not know the accuracy of your counter, but mine is accurate to 10 
> exp-9 and I can set C22 with it for good K2 Dial Calibration.  There are 
> other methods for setting C22 that do not depend on the accuracy of your 
> frequency counter.  When you can receive WWV at 10 or better 15 MHz, 
> look at my website www.w3fpr.com article on K2 Dial Calibration to 
> accurately set C22 and achieve good K2 dial calibration.
> 
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
> 
>> On 9/26/2018 8:14 PM, Don Schroder wrote:
>> Hi folks,
>> 
>> Got to the subject location on my K2 kit #7818, and am having some difficulties with the tests. My frequency counter, when touched to the left side of trimmer capacitor C22, reads 3999.98 on the LCD. This makes me believe there is no problem with the frequency counter probe that I assembled.
>> 
>> On page 63, under *4 MHz Oscillator Calibration,  I selected CAL FCTR, and the LCD displays a rapidly changing frequency between 185.~ to 188.~. It does not show a frequency of 12090 kHz  suggested by the manual.  This tells me I have a problem with the PLL Reference Oscillator (since the frequency counter probe appeared to be ok). I then decided to check voltages, and discovered that I am missing some +5v signals from U4 and U5.
>> 
>> Any suggestions on where to look next? I?d like to trace the 5v signals, but I don?t see how to do that using the schematics. I did measure voltages on the 8 pins of the Thermistor Board, they were all 0 volts! That didn?t seem right, either.
>> 
>> Appreciate any suggestions! Thanks!
>> Don, KE0PVQ
>> 
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> Message: 16
> Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2018 01:30:59 +0000
> From: Paul Smith <n0nbd at outlook.com>
> To: "Dave New, N8SBE" <n8sbe at arrl.net>, "elecraft at mailman.qth.net"
>    <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] My KX2 may be sick
> Message-ID:
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> 
> Thanks Dave, I have the KXPD2 paddle but do not use it much as I am a straight key guy or bug.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> de Paul N0NBD
> 
> 
> Sent from Outlook<http://aka.ms/weboutlook>
> 
> 
> ________________________________
> From: Dave New, N8SBE <n8sbe at arrl.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2018 8:43 PM
> To: Paul Smith; elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: RE: [Elecraft] My KX2 may be sick
> 
> Paul,
> 
> Check your KXPD3 keyer paddle.  It turns out that early versions had screw heads that were a bit too long that stuck out the back side of the paddle housing, causing a short to the chassis, if the heads bit through the black paint.
> 
> I have one of these, and it worked fine until the screw head on one side managed to work itself through the paint, then suddenly I was getting ERR KEY on power up.  Elecraft service has shorter screws to fix the issue.  I just put a small patch of black tape on the bare metal chip location under the paddle housing, and all is OK.  Some day I may ask for the modified screws (or paddle, if it has to be replaced as a unit).  Fixing the chip in the black housing is another matter entirely.  Shame it happened on a practically brand new radio.
> 
> 73, hope that helps,
> 
> -- Dave, N8SBE
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] My KX2 may be sick
> From: Paul Smith <n0nbd at outlook.com<mailto:n0nbd at outlook.com>>
> Date: Tue, September 25, 2018 1:49 pm
> To: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net<mailto:elecraft at mailman.qth.net>" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net<mailto:elecraft at mailman.qth.net>>
> 
> Thanks guys for the words on my KX2. I was watching the volt meter I have on the power supply. It dropped to 13V when I keyed the rig then shot up to 13.9 and sat rock solid. I changed power supplys and all is well now. The little radio seems to be happy again. And Thanks Don for the advice on NOT sending the rig in. I will check my cables as well, tnx all de N0NBD Paul Smith
> 
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> Message: 17
> Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2018 23:30:54 -0400
> From: Nr4c <nr4c at widomaker.com>
> To: pa0kv at pa0kv.nl
> Cc: elecraft digest <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 problem after latest sw update
> Message-ID: <7486B71B-99C8-4BCD-AFCB-3F1C9300E321 at widomaker.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset=utf-8
> 
> Restore the CONFIG copy you made before you updated FW. You did do a CONFIG backup didn?t you?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> ...nr4c. bill
> 
> 
>> On Sep 26, 2018, at 3:30 PM, pa0kv at pa0kv.nl wrote:
>> 
>> Hi!
>> 
>> Yesterday I updated my K3's sw. After some shutdown and startups it came up as normal.
>> 
>> But there is no reception. I get noise from my antenna. Unplug the antenna, no noise.
>> Send a signal in the air on the tuned frequency ... nothing. No S-meter, no biep.
>> 
>> What went wrong? I did reinstall all updates. No result.
>> 
>> Twan - PA0KV
>> 
>> 
>> 
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> Message: 18
> Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2018 12:07:02 +0200
> From: pa0kv at pa0kv.nl
> To: elecraft digest <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 problem after latest sw update
> Message-ID: <ddfeb729-e4a7-2b0c-ce5a-29f6aa3f6347 at pa0kv.nl>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
> 
> I tuned into my inv-V with 8 Watt on 3.63 Mhz and
> connected a 1 meter wire as antenna on my HP frequency counter.
> The counter displayed 3.2177 Mhz ! An offset of approximately .412 Mhz
> 
> Still no idea. Waiting on k3support at elecraft...
> 
> Twan - pa0kv
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 19
> Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2018 10:07:54 -0400
> From: Art <kz5d at aol.com>
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [Elecraft] K-Pod CTS to match VFO
> Message-ID: <1661b5b7fad-1ec7-2f93 at webjas-vad009.srv.aolmail.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> 
> When the K-Pod first came out, it was mentioned that the CTS of the K-Pod was 1/2 of the VFO. That is still the case. Case in point: Set VFO CTS to 200. K-Pod CTS is only 100.
> 
> 
> Could the developers PLEASE write the code to allow the K-Pod to operate at the same CTS as the VFO?
> 
> 
> It would certainly be appreciated here. 
> 
> 
> 73,
> 
> 
> Art KZ5D
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 20
> Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2018 12:01:45 -0400
> From: Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com>
> To: Don Schroder <donanddeena at hotmail.com>,    "elecraft at mailman.qth.net"
>    <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K2 Alignment and Test, Part II issues
> Message-ID: <c97290ee-d194-c7a4-d071-0411afaadb2b at embarqmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
> 
> Don,
> 
> First check the DC voltage at RF Board U6 pin 5 - it should be 4 volts 
> (or 1/2 the 8 volt regulator output voltage).  If it is not correct, you 
> have a problem with the thermistor board - most likely a solder bridge.
> 
> You should have 8 volts at the thermistor board pin 8.  If that is not 
> correct, look carefully for solder bridges.  That 8 volts comes directly 
> from the 8 volt regulator voltage rail.
> 
> It does sound like you have a problem with the PLL Reference Oscillator, 
> but your voltage measurements on the thermistor board pins should be 
> investigated first before drawing any other conclusions.
> 
> Make sure you have good results with the PLL range tests just after that.
> 
> The exact frequency of the 4 MHz Oscillator is not critical at this 
> point - for now it only substantiates that the oscillator is working. If 
> you put a probe on C22, it will pull the frequency.  If your frequency 
> counter is sufficiently accurate, wait until you have a good frequency 
> at TP1, and then measure the frequency with both the counter and the 
> internal counter probe using CAL FCTR.  Adjust C22 so CAL FCTR frequency 
> is the same as your external counter.
> 
> I do not know the accuracy of your counter, but mine is accurate to 10 
> exp-9 and I can set C22 with it for good K2 Dial Calibration.  There are 
> other methods for setting C22 that do not depend on the accuracy of your 
> frequency counter.  When you can receive WWV at 10 or better 15 MHz, 
> look at my website www.w3fpr.com article on K2 Dial Calibration to 
> accurately set C22 and achieve good K2 dial calibration.
> 
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
> 
>> On 9/26/2018 8:14 PM, Don Schroder wrote:
>> Hi folks,
>> 
>> Got to the subject location on my K2 kit #7818, and am having some difficulties with the tests. My frequency counter, when touched to the left side of trimmer capacitor C22, reads 3999.98 on the LCD. This makes me believe there is no problem with the frequency counter probe that I assembled.
>> 
>> On page 63, under *4 MHz Oscillator Calibration,  I selected CAL FCTR, and the LCD displays a rapidly changing frequency between 185.~ to 188.~. It does not show a frequency of 12090 kHz  suggested by the manual.  This tells me I have a problem with the PLL Reference Oscillator (since the frequency counter probe appeared to be ok). I then decided to check voltages, and discovered that I am missing some +5v signals from U4 and U5.
>> 
>> Any suggestions on where to look next? I?d like to trace the 5v signals, but I don?t see how to do that using the schematics. I did measure voltages on the 8 pins of the Thermistor Board, they were all 0 volts! That didn?t seem right, either.
>> 
>> Appreciate any suggestions! Thanks!
>> Don, KE0PVQ
>> 
>> Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10
>> 
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> 
> Message: 21
> Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2018 12:46:48 -0400
> From: Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com>
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K-Pod CTS to match VFO
> Message-ID: <89491920-3e40-26c7-86c1-72cdafcb051b at embarqmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
> 
> As I recall, most of the K-pod field testers thought the reduced CTS was 
> beneficial given the placement of the knob.
> 
> Of course, they were most all CW contesters who wanted a slower tuning rate.
> 
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
> 
>> On 9/27/2018 10:07 AM, Art via Elecraft wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> When the K-Pod first came out, it was mentioned that the CTS of the K-Pod was 1/2 of the VFO. That is still the case. Case in point: Set VFO CTS to 200. K-Pod CTS is only 100.
>> 
>> Could the developers PLEASE write the code to allow the K-Pod to operate at the same CTS as the VFO?
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 22
> Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2018 17:43:41 +0000
> From: Don Schroder <donanddeena at hotmail.com>
> To: "donwilh at embarqmail.com" <donwilh at embarqmail.com>,
>    "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K2 Alignment and Test, Part II issues
> Message-ID:
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>    
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> 
> Don,
> Board U6 pin 5
> Thank you for the suggestions! The DC voltage at RF Board U6 pin 5 is 0 volts. In fact, all pins of U6, except pin 6, are 0 volts. Pin 6 is less than 1 volt.
> 
> I saw a bridge between C96 and RFC10, the schematic shows these two components connecting together, so that should be ok. I?m still looking for bridges.
> 
> Could you elaborate a little on the ^voltage rail*? How do I identify the rail on a schematic, or can I? Which component is the 8 volt regulator? I feel I should know the answers to these questions, I must be having a senior moment. Your help and advice is much appreciarted!
> 
> Thanks!
> Don, KE0PVQ
> 
> Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10
> 
> From: Don Wilhelm<mailto:donwilh at embarqmail.com>
> Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2018 11:01 AM
> To: Don Schroder<mailto:donanddeena at hotmail.com>; elecraft at mailman.qth.net<mailto:elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K2 Alignment and Test, Part II issues
> 
> Don,
> 
> First check the DC voltage at RF Board U6 pin 5 - it should be 4 volts
> (or 1/2 the 8 volt regulator output voltage).  If it is not correct, you
> have a problem with the thermistor board - most likely a solder bridge.
> 
> You should have 8 volts at the thermistor board pin 8.  If that is not
> correct, look carefully for solder bridges.  That 8 volts comes directly
> from the 8 volt regulator voltage rail.
> 
> It does sound like you have a problem with the PLL Reference Oscillator,
> but your voltage measurements on the thermistor board pins should be
> investigated first before drawing any other conclusions.
> 
> Make sure you have good results with the PLL range tests just after that.
> 
> The exact frequency of the 4 MHz Oscillator is not critical at this
> point - for now it only substantiates that the oscillator is working. If
> you put a probe on C22, it will pull the frequency.  If your frequency
> counter is sufficiently accurate, wait until you have a good frequency
> at TP1, and then measure the frequency with both the counter and the
> internal counter probe using CAL FCTR.  Adjust C22 so CAL FCTR frequency
> is the same as your external counter.
> 
> I do not know the accuracy of your counter, but mine is accurate to 10
> exp-9 and I can set C22 with it for good K2 Dial Calibration.  There are
> other methods for setting C22 that do not depend on the accuracy of your
> frequency counter.  When you can receive WWV at 10 or better 15 MHz,
> look at my website www.w3fpr.com article on K2 Dial Calibration to
> accurately set C22 and achieve good K2 dial calibration.
> 
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
> 
>> On 9/26/2018 8:14 PM, Don Schroder wrote:
>> Hi folks,
>> 
>> Got to the subject location on my K2 kit #7818, and am having some difficulties with the tests. My frequency counter, when touched to the left side of trimmer capacitor C22, reads 3999.98 on the LCD. This makes me believe there is no problem with the frequency counter probe that I assembled.
>> 
>> On page 63, under *4 MHz Oscillator Calibration,  I selected CAL FCTR, and the LCD displays a rapidly changing frequency between 185.~ to 188.~. It does not show a frequency of 12090 kHz  suggested by the manual.  This tells me I have a problem with the PLL Reference Oscillator (since the frequency counter probe appeared to be ok). I then decided to check voltages, and discovered that I am missing some +5v signals from U4 and U5.
>> 
>> Any suggestions on where to look next? I?d like to trace the 5v signals, but I don?t see how to do that using the schematics. I did measure voltages on the 8 pins of the Thermistor Board, they were all 0 volts! That didn?t seem right, either.
>> 
>> Appreciate any suggestions! Thanks!
>> Don, KE0PVQ
>> 
>> Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10
>> 
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From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Thu Sep 27 17:11:53 2018
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2018 17:11:53 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 Alignment and Test, Part II issues
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Don,

While in CAL FCTR, try the probe in TP3 and TP1 and TP2.? If you have a 
zero reading in all 3 places, you most likely have a bad probe.
Yes you might have a PLL problem, but that is not certain yet. One quick 
check is to measure the resistance from the source of Q19 to ground.? If 
it is high or infinite, check the leads of RFC14 like you did for 
RFC16.? The normal resistance is a bit more than 270 ohms.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 9/27/2018 4:41 PM, Don Schroder wrote:
>
> Don,
>
> Thank you for the excellent advice! I went to the bottom of the board 
> and checked the resistance between the ends of RFC16. It was infinite, 
> so I rewound RFC16 and ensured the leads were cleaned good. After 
> reinstalling, I now have 4.~ votes at U6 pin 5, and 8.~ at pin 8. Pin 
> 8 of the Thermistor Board has 8.~ volts, too.
>
> Now, when I select CAL FCTR and enable the frequency counter, the 
> counter shows 00000.00. I believe this tells me there is a problem 
> with the PLL Reference Oscillator. I will continue to look at those 
> components. Any other suggestions?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Don, KE0PVQ
>
> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for 
> Windows 10
>
> *From: *Don Wilhelm <mailto:donwilh at embarqmail.com>
> *Sent: *Thursday, September 27, 2018 1:34 PM
> *To: *Don Schroder <mailto:donanddeena at hotmail.com>; 
> elecraft at mailman.qth.net <mailto:elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> *Subject: *Re: [Elecraft] K2 Alignment and Test, Part II issues
>
> Don,
>
> You apparently have a problem with the thermistor board - or the 8 volts
>
> to it.
>
> A "voltage rail" are those PC traces that carry voltage to various parts
>
> of the circuit.
>
> In the K2, there is one for 12 volts, another for 8 volts and another
>
> for 5 volts.
>
> On the schematic they are labeled "12V", "8A" and "5V" respectively.
>
> The main 8 volt and 5 volt regulators are on the Control Board. You will
>
> find an "5B" voltage rail at the output of U8 on the RF Board and the
>
> "8B" voltage is sourced at the output side of RFC16.
>
> If you do not have 8 volts at the thermistor board pin 8, then
>
> investigate the stripping and tinning of the RFC16 leads.
>
> Once you have 8 volts at the thermistor board (RP3 position) pin 8, then
>
> recheck the voltage at U6 pin 5 - it should be quite close to 4 volts.
>
> 73,
>
> Don W3FPR
>
>


From w4rks73 at gmail.com  Thu Sep 27 19:03:33 2018
From: w4rks73 at gmail.com (James Wilson)
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2018 18:03:33 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 for Doug
Message-ID: <CAJNRSCYsC6EC343Z+5jaVYX1Fw4VFyNf8jyBLC+oWnv2eUg8VA@mail.gmail.com>

I sent Doug an email about my P3 that is available
P3, P3SVGA and TXMON (2000W) for $800
Jim - W4RKS

From donanddeena at hotmail.com  Thu Sep 27 20:07:51 2018
From: donanddeena at hotmail.com (Don Schroder)
Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2018 00:07:51 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 Alignment and Test, Part II issues
In-Reply-To: <ff764a49-6a31-2034-85e6-ce6d3fa7e82c@embarqmail.com>
References: <MW2PR02MB3849174179D64C277C662E15AA140@MW2PR02MB3849.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
	<c97290ee-d194-c7a4-d071-0411afaadb2b@embarqmail.com>
	<MW2PR02MB3849454BDF2729247B10A6FFAA140@MW2PR02MB3849.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
	<c365d746-03f8-3ac4-b626-3e2a85303bee@embarqmail.com>
	<MW2PR02MB38498081EA66190AE81D02FDAA140@MW2PR02MB3849.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
	<ff764a49-6a31-2034-85e6-ce6d3fa7e82c@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <MW2PR02MB3849A76840E6784B4667B9EDAAEC0@MW2PR02MB3849.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>

Don,

All three test points are not zeros. TP1 reads a solid 4918.88, TP2 reads between flickering 267 & 289, TP3 reads all zeros.
The resistance from the source of Q19 to ground is 280 ohms.

I did make an interesting discovery when I took voltages again.  U4, pin 5 (SDO) is 0 volts, pin 7 (SCK) is 4.8 volts. U5, pin 1 (SCK) is 4.8 volts, pin 2 (SDO) is 0 volts. These pins are just opposite what they should be (what does SDO and SCK represent?). Looks like something that is directional got switched?

Sounds like we are making progress, but still a possible PLL problem?

Thanks!
Don, KE0PVQ

Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10

From: Don Wilhelm<mailto:donwilh at embarqmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2018 4:11 PM
To: Don Schroder<mailto:donanddeena at hotmail.com>; elecraft at mailman.qth.net<mailto:elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K2 Alignment and Test, Part II issues

Don,

While in CAL FCTR, try the probe in TP3 and TP1 and TP2.  If you have a
zero reading in all 3 places, you most likely have a bad probe.
Yes you might have a PLL problem, but that is not certain yet. One quick
check is to measure the resistance from the source of Q19 to ground.  If
it is high or infinite, check the leads of RFC14 like you did for
RFC16.  The normal resistance is a bit more than 270 ohms.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 9/27/2018 4:41 PM, Don Schroder wrote:
>
> Don,
>
> Thank you for the excellent advice! I went to the bottom of the board
> and checked the resistance between the ends of RFC16. It was infinite,
> so I rewound RFC16 and ensured the leads were cleaned good. After
> reinstalling, I now have 4.~ votes at U6 pin 5, and 8.~ at pin 8. Pin
> 8 of the Thermistor Board has 8.~ volts, too.
>
> Now, when I select CAL FCTR and enable the frequency counter, the
> counter shows 00000.00. I believe this tells me there is a problem
> with the PLL Reference Oscillator. I will continue to look at those
> components. Any other suggestions?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Don, KE0PVQ
>
> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
> Windows 10
>
> *From: *Don Wilhelm <mailto:donwilh at embarqmail.com>
> *Sent: *Thursday, September 27, 2018 1:34 PM
> *To: *Don Schroder <mailto:donanddeena at hotmail.com>;
> elecraft at mailman.qth.net <mailto:elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> *Subject: *Re: [Elecraft] K2 Alignment and Test, Part II issues
>
> Don,
>
> You apparently have a problem with the thermistor board - or the 8 volts
>
> to it.
>
> A "voltage rail" are those PC traces that carry voltage to various parts
>
> of the circuit.
>
> In the K2, there is one for 12 volts, another for 8 volts and another
>
> for 5 volts.
>
> On the schematic they are labeled "12V", "8A" and "5V" respectively.
>
> The main 8 volt and 5 volt regulators are on the Control Board. You will
>
> find an "5B" voltage rail at the output of U8 on the RF Board and the
>
> "8B" voltage is sourced at the output side of RFC16.
>
> If you do not have 8 volts at the thermistor board pin 8, then
>
> investigate the stripping and tinning of the RFC16 leads.
>
> Once you have 8 volts at the thermistor board (RP3 position) pin 8, then
>
> recheck the voltage at U6 pin 5 - it should be quite close to 4 volts.
>
> 73,
>
> Don W3FPR
>
>



From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Thu Sep 27 20:34:51 2018
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2018 20:34:51 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 Alignment and Test, Part II issues
In-Reply-To: <MW2PR02MB3849A76840E6784B4667B9EDAAEC0@MW2PR02MB3849.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
References: <MW2PR02MB3849174179D64C277C662E15AA140@MW2PR02MB3849.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
	<c97290ee-d194-c7a4-d071-0411afaadb2b@embarqmail.com>
	<MW2PR02MB3849454BDF2729247B10A6FFAA140@MW2PR02MB3849.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
	<c365d746-03f8-3ac4-b626-3e2a85303bee@embarqmail.com>
	<MW2PR02MB38498081EA66190AE81D02FDAA140@MW2PR02MB3849.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
	<ff764a49-6a31-2034-85e6-ce6d3fa7e82c@embarqmail.com>
	<MW2PR02MB3849A76840E6784B4667B9EDAAEC0@MW2PR02MB3849.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <30d00a11-5423-f30e-176c-eba949fb0659@embarqmail.com>

Don,

It seems you are having trouble with both the PLL Reference Oscillator 
and the BFO (TP2 should be near 4915kHz).
The VFO TP1 is apparently oscillating if you have a frequency of 
4918.88, but that frequency is not correct.

Tackle the PLL Reference first.
OK, the PLL Reference Oscillator is not oscillating for one reason or 
another.? Chek all the components in the circuit for proper values and 
good soldering.? You apparently can follow the schematic, if for no 
other reason than to identify components in a circuit - that is helpful 
information.
Make certain D18 is installed with the proper orientation, and that C84 
and C85 are 120pF (marked 121).

73,
Don W3FPR

On 9/27/2018 8:07 PM, Don Schroder wrote:
>
> Don,
>
> All three test points are not zeros. TP1 reads a solid 4918.88, TP2 
> reads between flickering 267 & 289, TP3 reads all zeros.
>
> The resistance from the source of Q19 to ground is 280 ohms.
>
> I did make an interesting discovery when I took voltages again.? U4, 
> pin 5 (SDO) is 0 volts, pin 7 (SCK) is 4.8 volts. U5, pin 1 (SCK) is 
> 4.8 volts, pin 2 (SDO) is 0 volts. These pins are just opposite what 
> they should be (what does SDO and SCK represent?). Looks like 
> something that is directional got switched?
>
> Sounds like we are making progress, but still a possible PLL problem?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Don, KE0PVQ
>
> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for 
> Windows 10
>
> *From: *Don Wilhelm <mailto:donwilh at embarqmail.com>
> *Sent: *Thursday, September 27, 2018 4:11 PM
> *To: *Don Schroder <mailto:donanddeena at hotmail.com>; 
> elecraft at mailman.qth.net <mailto:elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> *Subject: *Re: [Elecraft] K2 Alignment and Test, Part II issues
>
> Don,
>
> While in CAL FCTR, try the probe in TP3 and TP1 and TP2.? If you have a
>
> zero reading in all 3 places, you most likely have a bad probe.
>
> Yes you might have a PLL problem, but that is not certain yet. One quick
>
> check is to measure the resistance from the source of Q19 to ground.? If
>
> it is high or infinite, check the leads of RFC14 like you did for
>
> RFC16.? The normal resistance is a bit more than 270 ohms.
>
> 73,
>
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 9/27/2018 4:41 PM, Don Schroder wrote:
>
> >
>
> > Don,
>
> >
>
> > Thank you for the excellent advice! I went to the bottom of the board
>
> > and checked the resistance between the ends of RFC16. It was infinite,
>
> > so I rewound RFC16 and ensured the leads were cleaned good. After
>
> > reinstalling, I now have 4.~ votes at U6 pin 5, and 8.~ at pin 8. Pin
>
> > 8 of the Thermistor Board has 8.~ volts, too.
>
> >
>
> > Now, when I select CAL FCTR and enable the frequency counter, the
>
> > counter shows 00000.00. I believe this tells me there is a problem
>
> > with the PLL Reference Oscillator. I will continue to look at those
>
> > components. Any other suggestions?
>
> >
>
> > Thanks!
>
> >
>
> > Don, KE0PVQ
>
> >
>
> > Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
>
> > Windows 10
>
> >
>
> > *From: *Don Wilhelm <mailto:donwilh at embarqmail.com>
>
> > *Sent: *Thursday, September 27, 2018 1:34 PM
>
> > *To: *Don Schroder <mailto:donanddeena at hotmail.com>;
>
> > elecraft at mailman.qth.net <mailto:elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
>
> > *Subject: *Re: [Elecraft] K2 Alignment and Test, Part II issues
>
> >
>
> > Don,
>
> >
>
> > You apparently have a problem with the thermistor board - or the 8 volts
>
> >
>
> > to it.
>
> >
>
> > A "voltage rail" are those PC traces that carry voltage to various parts
>
> >
>
> > of the circuit.
>
> >
>
> > In the K2, there is one for 12 volts, another for 8 volts and another
>
> >
>
> > for 5 volts.
>
> >
>
> > On the schematic they are labeled "12V", "8A" and "5V" respectively.
>
> >
>
> > The main 8 volt and 5 volt regulators are on the Control Board. You will
>
> >
>
> > find an "5B" voltage rail at the output of U8 on the RF Board and the
>
> >
>
> > "8B" voltage is sourced at the output side of RFC16.
>
> >
>
> > If you do not have 8 volts at the thermistor board pin 8, then
>
> >
>
> > investigate the stripping and tinning of the RFC16 leads.
>
> >
>
> > Once you have 8 volts at the thermistor board (RP3 position) pin 8, then
>
> >
>
> > recheck the voltage at U6 pin 5 - it should be quite close to 4 volts.
>
> >
>
> > 73,
>
> >
>
> > Don W3FPR
>
> >
>
> >
>


From KeepWalking188 at ac0c.com  Fri Sep 28 00:29:19 2018
From: KeepWalking188 at ac0c.com (Jeff Blaine)
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2018 23:29:19 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 FW 1.78 - no PTT response
Message-ID: <b8371ea2-20b8-1ff2-4565-c34e3771a35d@ac0c.com>

Loaded up the beta firmware today.? The PTT (key line) was dead after 
that.? Reloading 1.64 and all was functional again.

What am I overlooking?

73/jeff/ac0c
alpha-charlie-zero-charlie
www.ac0c.com


From nu4i at cox.net  Fri Sep 28 16:27:12 2018
From: nu4i at cox.net (Kenneth Moorman)
Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2018 16:27:12 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KPod "Memory Helper"
Message-ID: <00c001d45769$a3cc12f0$eb6438d0$@cox.net>

I have had my KPod for several months and have enjoyed using it to save
having to use knobs and pushbuttons on my K3 and keeping my hands nearer the
keyboard and paddles.  But I have had a problem remembering which KPod
buttons perform which functions.  Cheat sheets just seemed to get in the way
or get lost so I wondered what I could do to make my KPod more user
friendly.  I made the following modification to my KPod to put the name of
each used function directly beside the buttons so I could quickly find what
I wanted to do, and made it very easy to change the function names as I
reconfigured the device.  The links below show a couple of views of what I
did.  Basically, using some double sided pc board I fashioned a couple of
"wings" that I eventually attached to the existing device using the screws
that help hold it together at its top face. After shaping and drilling the
pieces, I soldered the pieces together to form each "wing", spray-painted
them, glued into each top face on each "wing" two small rare-earth magnets.
Then I made two plastic cover plates the same size as the top faces, drilled
and mounted two more of the magnets taking care to get the poles correct
with the lower ones in the wings.  Then I typed up a couple of label sheets,
placed them on the top faces of the wings, and placed the plastic covers
over them to finish the project.  It makes a very neat way to easily locate
and reconfigure the KPod functions.  If anyone has more interest in this I
have several more pictures of the way I did mine but I'm sure this idea
could be fashioned in many ways from other material you may have at hand.

 

https://www.dropbox.com/s/at0urhx9vehxzxr/IMG_5813.JPG?dl=0

 

https://www.dropbox.com/s/5o8w7rqagtcipn2/IMG_5811.JPG?dl=0

 

73,

 

Ken, NU4I

 


From hans.elfelt at me.com  Fri Sep 28 16:40:46 2018
From: hans.elfelt at me.com (Hans Bonnesen)
Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2018 22:40:46 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] K2-100 ATU
Message-ID: <61CECEAE-4583-4FE6-A82A-176439D5590F@me.com>

Hello Elecraft,

After a couple of years of flawless operation my K2-100 ( separate units) is starting to act up.:

A) At first I noticed that when pushing the ?tune? key, that ATU of the 100 watts unit caused the relays to clatter in the normal way
but after finding the 1:1 setting, the tuning condition was not concluded, and I had to switch off the set completely and start anew.
Mostly it went well and the tune condition stopped automatically, as it should. 

BUT

B) To-day pushing the ?tune? key did not cause the built-in ATU of the 100 watts unit to start its clattering. 
The SWR  reading ( lights)  went all the way to the right, and stayed there.
Naturally I switched off the set instantly , while in a split second I noticed the ?Hi-current ? displayed.
Using the Ant 2. position going to a 1000 watt dummy-load did not change the malady..
++++
Disconnecting the 100 watt unit completely, I set up the K2 in its barefoot condition.
The built-in ATU of the K2 worked completely normal.
++++
Conclusion: Presumably something has developed in the SWR circuits of the 100 watt unit.
Where should I look ?

73?s OZ5RB

Hans Elfelt Bonnesen

From c-hawley at illinois.edu  Fri Sep 28 17:22:08 2018
From: c-hawley at illinois.edu (hawley, charles j jr)
Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2018 21:22:08 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] KPod "Memory Helper"
In-Reply-To: <00c001d45769$a3cc12f0$eb6438d0$@cox.net>
References: <00c001d45769$a3cc12f0$eb6438d0$@cox.net>
Message-ID: <EBDF7BBA-AA9E-4B0E-B7F5-0374D54B7CE7@illinois.edu>

Really nice. Easy to see. I have a 3/5 card with a 3/4 inch sticking out of each side and labeled but much harder to read.

Chuck 
KE9UW

Sent from my iPhone, cjack 

> On Sep 28, 2018, at 3:48 PM, Kenneth Moorman <nu4i at cox.net> wrote:
> 
> from

From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Fri Sep 28 17:27:28 2018
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2018 17:27:28 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K2-100 ATU
In-Reply-To: <61CECEAE-4583-4FE6-A82A-176439D5590F@me.com>
References: <61CECEAE-4583-4FE6-A82A-176439D5590F@me.com>
Message-ID: <ef7451fb-f529-bbb9-2fc6-c4afc04759c8@embarqmail.com>

Hans,

The most common cause of that kind of failure is that the wattmeter 
diodes in the KPA100 and/or The KAT100.

One quick way to check the KPA100 is to remove the KAT100 and connect 
only the KPA100 ANT jack to an external wattmeter and also a dummy load.
Then do a TUNE and see how much power is actually being developed.  Set 
the power to 50 watts.
If it is 20 to 25 watts, the KPA100 wattmeter is working properly.  But 
if it is 120 watts or more, diodes D16 and D17 in the KPA100 need to be 
replaced.  They are 1N5711 type.

You may also want to arbitrarily replace D1 and D2 in the KAT100 - they 
are the same type.  So if you have to order them, order quantity 4.

The most common cause of those diode failures is a static surge on the 
antenna feedline - likely from nearby lightning.

The other cause of that kind of SWR indications is a failure of ATU 
firmware Pin 3 or 4 or both.   That IC can also be damaged by static surges.

The HiCur message is also associated with the failure of the KPA100 
wattmeter diodes, because that is where the power is controlled from, 
and the K2 MCU does not know that any power is being developed, and 
pushes the drive power to the maximum.
That also stresses the base K2 PA transistors and if not caught in short 
order, will cause their failure.

73,
Don W3FPR


On 9/28/2018 4:40 PM, Hans Bonnesen via Elecraft wrote:
> Hello Elecraft,
> 
> After a couple of years of flawless operation my K2-100 ( separate units) is starting to act up.:
> 
> A) At first I noticed that when pushing the ?tune? key, that ATU of the 100 watts unit caused the relays to clatter in the normal way
> but after finding the 1:1 setting, the tuning condition was not concluded, and I had to switch off the set completely and start anew.
> Mostly it went well and the tune condition stopped automatically, as it should.
> 
> BUT
> 
> B) To-day pushing the ?tune? key did not cause the built-in ATU of the 100 watts unit to start its clattering.
> The SWR  reading ( lights)  went all the way to the right, and stayed there.
> Naturally I switched off the set instantly , while in a split second I noticed the ?Hi-current ? displayed.
> Using the Ant 2. position going to a 1000 watt dummy-load did not change the malady.

From fkemmerer at anita-fred.net  Fri Sep 28 17:53:54 2018
From: fkemmerer at anita-fred.net (Fred Kemmerer)
Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2018 21:53:54 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500: Key input on AIX connector not \working with
	Beta FW 1.78
Message-ID: <D7D41B31.4CEE%fkemmerer@anita-fred.net>

I installed v1.78 Beta FW in my KPA1500 and found that Key through the AUX connector not longer works. After going back to v1.64 FW, Key via the AUX connector was working again.

Fred (AB1OC)

ab1oc at arrl.net<mailto:ab1oc at arrl.net>
Visit Nashua ARS Website - <http://www.n1fd.org/> https://www.n1fd.org<https://www.n1fd.org/>
Visit our Blog - https://stationproject.blog<https://stationproject.blog/>

From johnbsaxon at yahoo.com  Fri Sep 28 21:04:33 2018
From: johnbsaxon at yahoo.com (John Saxon)
Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2018 01:04:33 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] OT - backup software
References: <1457151285.1244180.1538183073479.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1457151285.1244180.1538183073479@mail.yahoo.com>

I am not happy with my current backup software package.? Any recommendations on backup software?? Like it to be free, but not necessary.
73,JohnK5ENQ

From w6jhb at me.com  Fri Sep 28 21:33:48 2018
From: w6jhb at me.com (James Bennett)
Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2018 18:33:48 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] OT - backup software
In-Reply-To: <1457151285.1244180.1538183073479@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1457151285.1244180.1538183073479.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<1457151285.1244180.1538183073479@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4D369C87-1614-4F6A-BF38-27ED56558E79@me.com>

It would probably help a lot if you let us know what platform you are using: Mac? Windows? Linux? Raspberry Pi?

Jim / W6JHB

> On Sep 28, 2018, at 6:04 PM, John Saxon via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
> 
> I am not happy with my current backup software package.  Any recommendations on backup software?  Like it to be free, but not necessary.
> 73,JohnK5ENQ
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From cyaffey at gmail.com  Fri Sep 28 21:36:59 2018
From: cyaffey at gmail.com (Carl Yaffey)
Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2018 21:36:59 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] OT - backup software
In-Reply-To: <4D369C87-1614-4F6A-BF38-27ED56558E79@me.com>
References: <1457151285.1244180.1538183073479.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<1457151285.1244180.1538183073479@mail.yahoo.com>
	<4D369C87-1614-4F6A-BF38-27ED56558E79@me.com>
Message-ID: <D9DA716A-FE0C-46AF-9EB2-F558FA3DED8E@gmail.com>

If you have a Mac, Carbon Copy Cloner.


> On Sep 28, 2018, at 6:04 PM, John Saxon via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
> 
> I am not happy with my current backup software package.  Any recommendations on backup software?  Like it to be free, but not necessary.
> 73,JohnK5ENQ
> 


Carl Yaffey  K8NU
Recording studio.
cyaffeyNO_SPAM at gmail.com 
614 268 6353, Columbus OH
http://www.carl-yaffey.com
http://www.grassahol.com
http://www.bluesswing.com


From k9jri at mac.com  Fri Sep 28 21:47:37 2018
From: k9jri at mac.com (Michael Blake)
Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2018 21:47:37 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] OT - backup software
In-Reply-To: <D9DA716A-FE0C-46AF-9EB2-F558FA3DED8E@gmail.com>
References: <1457151285.1244180.1538183073479.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<1457151285.1244180.1538183073479@mail.yahoo.com>
	<4D369C87-1614-4F6A-BF38-27ED56558E79@me.com>
	<D9DA716A-FE0C-46AF-9EB2-F558FA3DED8E@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0AF7B884-3158-4CBC-AF2F-3605B104C2A6@mac.com>

Yes, knowing your OS would help. On my Mac I use Time Machine for hourly/daily backups and SuperDuper for bootable weekly disk images. 

Mike - K9JRI


> On Sep 28, 2018, at 9:36 PM, Carl Yaffey <cyaffey at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> If you have a Mac, Carbon Copy Cloner.
> 
> 
>> On Sep 28, 2018, at 6:04 PM, John Saxon via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
>> 
>> I am not happy with my current backup software package.  Any recommendations on backup software?  Like it to be free, but not necessary.
>> 73,JohnK5ENQ
>> 
> 
> 
> Carl Yaffey  K8NU
> Recording studio.
> cyaffeyNO_SPAM at gmail.com 
> 614 268 6353, Columbus OH
> http://www.carl-yaffey.com
> http://www.grassahol.com
> http://www.bluesswing.com
> 
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From w4wfb at yahoo.com  Fri Sep 28 21:47:56 2018
From: w4wfb at yahoo.com (Roy Morris, Jr.)
Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2018 21:47:56 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 FW 1.78 - no PTT response
Message-ID: <mailman.7.1538185686.2966.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>

I have loaded v.1.78 into my KPA1500 and PTT works fine through my K3.  Roy Morris  W4WFB

Sent from Mail for Windows 10


From kevinr at coho.net  Fri Sep 28 21:57:44 2018
From: kevinr at coho.net (kevinr)
Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2018 18:57:44 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] OT - backup software
In-Reply-To: <0AF7B884-3158-4CBC-AF2F-3605B104C2A6@mac.com>
References: <1457151285.1244180.1538183073479.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<1457151285.1244180.1538183073479@mail.yahoo.com>
	<4D369C87-1614-4F6A-BF38-27ED56558E79@me.com>
	<D9DA716A-FE0C-46AF-9EB2-F558FA3DED8E@gmail.com>
	<0AF7B884-3158-4CBC-AF2F-3605B104C2A6@mac.com>
Message-ID: <cda86913-3b11-7699-0f34-00fe3ae10e63@coho.net>

On my network I wrote a cron job to rsync various work folders. Once a 
day I sync my work to another drive on my main server. Once a week I 
sync to a drive on another server.? It comes in handy to have a view one 
week backward in time.

 ?? Good luck,

 ?????? Kevin.? KD5ONS

-


On 09/28/2018 06:47 PM, Michael Blake via Elecraft wrote:
> Yes, knowing your OS would help. On my Mac I use Time Machine for hourly/daily backups and SuperDuper for bootable weekly disk images.
>
> Mike - K9JRI
>
>
>> On Sep 28, 2018, at 9:36 PM, Carl Yaffey <cyaffey at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> If you have a Mac, Carbon Copy Cloner.
>>
>>
>>> On Sep 28, 2018, at 6:04 PM, John Saxon via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> I am not happy with my current backup software package.  Any recommendations on backup software?  Like it to be free, but not necessary.
>>> 73,JohnK5ENQ
>>>
>>
>> Carl Yaffey  K8NU
>> Recording studio.
>> cyaffeyNO_SPAM at gmail.com
>> 614 268 6353, Columbus OH
>> http://www.carl-yaffey.com
>> http://www.grassahol.com
>> http://www.bluesswing.com
>>
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From tim.n9puz at gmail.com  Sat Sep 29 07:34:00 2018
From: tim.n9puz at gmail.com (Tim McDonough N9PUZ)
Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2018 06:34:00 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] OT - backup software
In-Reply-To: <1457151285.1244180.1538183073479@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1457151285.1244180.1538183073479.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<1457151285.1244180.1538183073479@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <d5490447-68a6-a10f-1ff2-f0ea170cd268@gmail.com>

Macrium Reflect. Backups plus the ability to perform a "bare metal 
restore" if your drive goes sideways.

Tim N9PUZ

On 9/28/2018 8:04 PM, John Saxon via Elecraft wrote:
> I am not happy with my current backup software package.? Any recommendations on backup software?? Like it to be free, but not necessary.
> 73,JohnK5ENQ
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From dave.w8ov at gmail.com  Sat Sep 29 12:07:20 2018
From: dave.w8ov at gmail.com (Dave W8OV)
Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2018 11:07:20 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] OT - backup software
In-Reply-To: <d5490447-68a6-a10f-1ff2-f0ea170cd268@gmail.com>
References: <1457151285.1244180.1538183073479.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<1457151285.1244180.1538183073479@mail.yahoo.com>
	<d5490447-68a6-a10f-1ff2-f0ea170cd268@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <91974766-2036-79b3-1d6a-149c636593f2@gmail.com>

I second /Macrium Reflect/.? They offer both a free version (with 
limited options), as well as 'paid' versions.? I use it with Win10, but 
don't know if it is available for other OS.

Dave W8OV

On 9/29/2018 6:34 AM, Tim McDonough N9PUZ wrote:
> Macrium Reflect. Backups plus the ability to perform a "bare metal 
> restore" if your drive goes sideways.
>
> Tim N9PUZ
>
> On 9/28/2018 8:04 PM, John Saxon via Elecraft wrote:
>> I am not happy with my current backup software package.? Any 
>> recommendations on backup software?? Like it to be free, but not 
>> necessary.
>> 73,JohnK5ENQ
>> ______________________________________________________________
>> Elecraft mailing list
>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
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>
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From ae0mm at protonmail.com  Sat Sep 29 12:19:37 2018
From: ae0mm at protonmail.com (AE0MM)
Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2018 16:19:37 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] KAT2 Hi Cur warning
In-Reply-To: <09bce5b2-bd74-619e-fc4e-6a4426fab1ac@embarqmail.com>
References: <-eaz3B0hTA5e5gm1VF-LS58chDwQfe6_yCepC-fzKfm3TqWjftIxsI16Dr8ZhGpgEsMRWFpqqGTig33JBBy1ZgoSnFrGsYaNWohFN2Ua7bo=@protonmail.com>
	<09bce5b2-bd74-619e-fc4e-6a4426fab1ac@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <f52mPuirtN2komnzl-Gz40NHGjjjvdevHs8txPRi234rp1yxwAaxChvwvKFL4FJJB06-s9ddRCp5cWyi-aOuD_KqOa-ZYIBtjPXF5JpFMbc=@protonmail.com>

Don,

I've done the bridge null adjustment several times. The red c55 trimmer capacitor is very touchy. Using a ceramic screwdriver, I'm able to get the reading in the 7 to 10 range, but after a few moments, or hours, it will read 30 and sometimes up to 90 at 7100KHz into a dummy load on 5w requested power.

With requested power set to 10w, voltage drops from 13.5 to 12.9 when pressing tune. (atu set to calp)

It seems the biggest current change in current (before KAT2 vs after KAT2) is on 30m, 12m, and 10m. Is it normal for current to increase after installing KAT2? Are these numbers in harmony with what you'd expect? I don't have a watt meter, so I'm relying on the RF probe.


Here are the before and after measurements:
Band	Power	Current
80	9.7	2.2
40	9.2	2.0
30	9.4	2.1
20	9.7	2.1
17	11	2.1
15	9.3	2.0
12	9.4	2.2
10	9.6	2.3


80	11.2	2.7
40	10.8	2.3
30	10.0	2.9
20	10.8	2.5
17	10.5	2.4
15	10.4	2.5
12	8.2	2.5
10	8.5	2.9

What I'm experiencing, is it normal and expected?

Thanks,
--mark/ae0mm

??????? Original Message ???????
On Tuesday, September 25, 2018 5:58 PM, Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com> wrote:

> Mark,
>
> First, set the CAL CUR in the K2 menu to 3.50 - and also make certain
> the power supply voltage as displayed on the K2 display is not dropping
> significantly during a TUNE. If it drops more than 1 volt suspect your
> power supply or the power cable. A low supply voltage can cause the K2
> to report HI Cur - the K2 tries to maintain the power requested, and a
> lower voltage requires greater current.
>
> Note that at least 2 watts is required to calibrate the KAT2 wattmeter
> and to do a TUNE.
>
> The first step in bringing up the KAT2 is to balance (null) the
> wattmeter. Adjust the trimmer capacitor for the lowest reading in ATU
> menu CALn.
>
> After that, connect a good 50 ohm dummy load and do the CALP setting.
> Use an external wattmeter that you trust, or the measurement of the RF
> voltage with the RF Probe will work, but requires some calculation in
> between adjustments. The external wattmeter is quicker.
>
> With the ATU menu set for CALP, the relays should be set to open all
> paths to the capacitors and to short out the inductors, so I doubt that
> those relay measurements are of value - unless one of the relays has an
> unsoldered pin 1 or pin 10 which will not allow it to switch.
> Check the schematic to see which relay pins should be closed and which
> should be open.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 9/25/2018 5:35 PM, AE0MM via Elecraft wrote:
>
> > Just installed the KAT2 in a newly assembled K2. At power levels greater than 8.0 watts, the K2 was displaying the high current warning. The KAT2 power calibration was calibrated by measuring voltage with the K2's RF probe at the feed point to a dummy load.
> > I removed the KAT2 and remeasured the power across all bands. Again, power was calculated based on DC voltage from RF probe at dummy load feed point. The impedance of the feedline and dummy load were retested. (49 to 51 ohms over the amateur radio bands, measured with a sark-110 calibrated using a set of reference loads)
> > Here are the results:
> > Band Power At Load K2 Current
> > 80 9.7 2.2
> > 40 9.2 2.0
> > 30 9.4 2.1
> > 20 9.7 2.1
> > 17 11 2.1
> > 15 9.3 2.0
> > 12 9.4 2.2
> > 10 9.6 2.3
> > After remeasuring power, the KAT2 was reinstalled, and its power meter verified correct at 5 watts. With the KAT2 reinstalled, rechecked K2 current draw at 10 watts on all bands. For each band it measured 20% to 30% higher than without the KAT2.
> > With the power level on the K2 set to one watt and the ATU set to CALP, I used the RF probe to measure a few points on the KAT2 control board, and the input from the RF board. At the one watt level, there is approximately 1v drop between K17 pins 2/9 and 4/7.



From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Sat Sep 29 13:19:53 2018
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2018 13:19:53 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KAT2 Hi Cur warning
In-Reply-To: <f52mPuirtN2komnzl-Gz40NHGjjjvdevHs8txPRi234rp1yxwAaxChvwvKFL4FJJB06-s9ddRCp5cWyi-aOuD_KqOa-ZYIBtjPXF5JpFMbc=@protonmail.com>
References: <-eaz3B0hTA5e5gm1VF-LS58chDwQfe6_yCepC-fzKfm3TqWjftIxsI16Dr8ZhGpgEsMRWFpqqGTig33JBBy1ZgoSnFrGsYaNWohFN2Ua7bo=@protonmail.com>
	<09bce5b2-bd74-619e-fc4e-6a4426fab1ac@embarqmail.com>
	<f52mPuirtN2komnzl-Gz40NHGjjjvdevHs8txPRi234rp1yxwAaxChvwvKFL4FJJB06-s9ddRCp5cWyi-aOuD_KqOa-ZYIBtjPXF5JpFMbc=@protonmail.com>
Message-ID: <2138d0ef-9f10-e1a4-3c6b-21f4fc28d301@embarqmail.com>

Mark,

That is not abnormal.

It is normal for the current required for one band to be a bit different 
than for other bands, and yours is not out of line. Yes, the KAT2 draws 
a bit more current than without it - that is true for any option.

Move the CAL CUR setting up to 3.50 Amps.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 9/29/2018 12:19 PM, AE0MM wrote:
> Don,
>
> I've done the bridge null adjustment several times. The red c55 trimmer capacitor is very touchy. Using a ceramic screwdriver, I'm able to get the reading in the 7 to 10 range, but after a few moments, or hours, it will read 30 and sometimes up to 90 at 7100KHz into a dummy load on 5w requested power.
>
> With requested power set to 10w, voltage drops from 13.5 to 12.9 when pressing tune. (atu set to calp)
>
> It seems the biggest current change in current (before KAT2 vs after KAT2) is on 30m, 12m, and 10m. Is it normal for current to increase after installing KAT2? Are these numbers in harmony with what you'd expect? I don't have a watt meter, so I'm relying on the RF probe.
>
>
> Here are the before and after measurements:
> Band	Power	Current
> 80	9.7	2.2
> 40	9.2	2.0
> 30	9.4	2.1
> 20	9.7	2.1
> 17	11	2.1
> 15	9.3	2.0
> 12	9.4	2.2
> 10	9.6	2.3
>
>
> 80	11.2	2.7
> 40	10.8	2.3
> 30	10.0	2.9
> 20	10.8	2.5
> 17	10.5	2.4
> 15	10.4	2.5
> 12	8.2	2.5
> 10	8.5	2.9
>
> What I'm experiencing, is it normal and expected?
>
>


From n6kr at elecraft.com  Sat Sep 29 15:03:44 2018
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2018 12:03:44 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] At Pacificon: 25th anniversary talk about the NorCal 40
 transceiver & NorCal QRP Club
Message-ID: <DC70451F-DC69-496A-9494-810AAC893149@elecraft.com>

Hi all,

If you're planning to be at Pacificon, please join Doug Hendricks (KI6DS), myself, and a gathering of NorCal QRP alumnus on Friday night at 7 PM in the Danville room. It's the 25th anniversary of the NorCal 40 transceiver, a little radio that helped get the club off the ground. (Even if you've had no association with NorCal or QRP, come for Doug's promised cake and schmoozefest.)  

Doug and I will be talking about the NC40's design and its legacy in the form of club projects, commercial gear, and an engineering course at Caltech.

Additional details can be found here:

   https://sites.google.com/a/mdarc.org/pacificon2018/events/qrp

73,
Wayne
N6KR



From billclarke at nycap.rr.com  Sat Sep 29 15:24:41 2018
From: billclarke at nycap.rr.com (Bill)
Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2018 15:24:41 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] OT - backup software
In-Reply-To: <91974766-2036-79b3-1d6a-149c636593f2@gmail.com>
References: <91974766-2036-79b3-1d6a-149c636593f2@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <31a02915-f4e9-8988-d715-cd0e54bcb9b8@nycap.rr.com>

I run Windows 10 and Linux Mint. I back up data daily to a USB-3 fast 
thumb drive (by simple copying of specific directories). Once a week I 
clone the drive to a spare drive. Then I use the cloned TO drive and 
place the cloned FROM drive in my safe. I have three drives rotating 
clone service. This prevents errors in the cloning process (I have never 
had a problem).

I use a device (from StarTech) and not software. My hard drive lives in 
a plug-in bay on the computer (accessible from outside the case).

Had many failures using software - no failures cloning.

Bill W2BLC



From wk6i.jeff at gmail.com  Sat Sep 29 15:33:21 2018
From: wk6i.jeff at gmail.com (Jeff Stai)
Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2018 12:33:21 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] OT - backup software
In-Reply-To: <31a02915-f4e9-8988-d715-cd0e54bcb9b8@nycap.rr.com>
References: <91974766-2036-79b3-1d6a-149c636593f2@gmail.com>
	<31a02915-f4e9-8988-d715-cd0e54bcb9b8@nycap.rr.com>
Message-ID: <CAH0gZcY2jLA9SO-dyXFK_G_MLRfQu_XisBn5nctsjc==7_=kLA@mail.gmail.com>

Before Eric ends the thread ;) I'll mention Backblaze. It works in the
background and backs up to the cloud. And for one PC or Mac it's not
expensive. And it stays out of your way and doesn't hurt performance.

Other than that... keep your data organized so that it is easy to copy
everything that matters periodically to an external drive (set up a
calendar reminder). That software is free.

73 jeff wk6i

On Sat, Sep 29, 2018 at 12:24 PM, Bill <billclarke at nycap.rr.com> wrote:

> I run Windows 10 and Linux Mint. I back up data daily to a USB-3 fast
> thumb drive (by simple copying of specific directories). Once a week I
> clone the drive to a spare drive. Then I use the cloned TO drive and place
> the cloned FROM drive in my safe. I have three drives rotating clone
> service. This prevents errors in the cloning process (I have never had a
> problem).
>
> I use a device (from StarTech) and not software. My hard drive lives in a
> plug-in bay on the computer (accessible from outside the case).
>
> Had many failures using software - no failures cloning.
>
> Bill W2BLC
>
>
>
> ______________________________________________________________
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-- 
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From ae0mm at protonmail.com  Sat Sep 29 15:57:24 2018
From: ae0mm at protonmail.com (AE0MM)
Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2018 19:57:24 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] KAT2 Hi Cur warning
In-Reply-To: <2138d0ef-9f10-e1a4-3c6b-21f4fc28d301@embarqmail.com>
References: <-eaz3B0hTA5e5gm1VF-LS58chDwQfe6_yCepC-fzKfm3TqWjftIxsI16Dr8ZhGpgEsMRWFpqqGTig33JBBy1ZgoSnFrGsYaNWohFN2Ua7bo=@protonmail.com>
	<09bce5b2-bd74-619e-fc4e-6a4426fab1ac@embarqmail.com>
	<f52mPuirtN2komnzl-Gz40NHGjjjvdevHs8txPRi234rp1yxwAaxChvwvKFL4FJJB06-s9ddRCp5cWyi-aOuD_KqOa-ZYIBtjPXF5JpFMbc=@protonmail.com>
	<2138d0ef-9f10-e1a4-3c6b-21f4fc28d301@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <NSnoyBQiYGARvbkweaqxvFst2o1muthC5vzRj1_tRcyWuZKZpCpcTVbPZNhJaIrSw8dzpul19-CRlms2_YuYnKomjBBhW-7vV5Kdakcbax4=@protonmail.com>

Don,

Thanks for the info.


--mark/ae0mm

??????? Original Message ???????
On Saturday, September 29, 2018 12:19 PM, Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com> wrote:

> Mark,
>
> That is not abnormal.
>
> It is normal for the current required for one band to be a bit different
> than for other bands, and yours is not out of line. Yes, the KAT2 draws
> a bit more current than without it - that is true for any option.
>
> Move the CAL CUR setting up to 3.50 Amps.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 9/29/2018 12:19 PM, AE0MM wrote:
>
> > Don,
> > I've done the bridge null adjustment several times. The red c55 trimmer capacitor is very touchy. Using a ceramic screwdriver, I'm able to get the reading in the 7 to 10 range, but after a few moments, or hours, it will read 30 and sometimes up to 90 at 7100KHz into a dummy load on 5w requested power.
> > With requested power set to 10w, voltage drops from 13.5 to 12.9 when pressing tune. (atu set to calp)
> > It seems the biggest current change in current (before KAT2 vs after KAT2) is on 30m, 12m, and 10m. Is it normal for current to increase after installing KAT2? Are these numbers in harmony with what you'd expect? I don't have a watt meter, so I'm relying on the RF probe.
> > Here are the before and after measurements:
> > Band Power Current
> > 80 9.7 2.2
> > 40 9.2 2.0
> > 30 9.4 2.1
> > 20 9.7 2.1
> > 17 11 2.1
> > 15 9.3 2.0
> > 12 9.4 2.2
> > 10 9.6 2.3
> > 80 11.2 2.7
> > 40 10.8 2.3
> > 30 10.0 2.9
> > 20 10.8 2.5
> > 17 10.5 2.4
> > 15 10.4 2.5
> > 12 8.2 2.5
> > 10 8.5 2.9
> > What I'm experiencing, is it normal and expected?



From donanddeena at hotmail.com  Sat Sep 29 16:02:45 2018
From: donanddeena at hotmail.com (Don Schroder)
Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2018 20:02:45 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 Alignment and Test, Part II issues
In-Reply-To: <30d00a11-5423-f30e-176c-eba949fb0659@embarqmail.com>
References: <MW2PR02MB3849174179D64C277C662E15AA140@MW2PR02MB3849.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
	<c97290ee-d194-c7a4-d071-0411afaadb2b@embarqmail.com>
	<MW2PR02MB3849454BDF2729247B10A6FFAA140@MW2PR02MB3849.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
	<c365d746-03f8-3ac4-b626-3e2a85303bee@embarqmail.com>
	<MW2PR02MB38498081EA66190AE81D02FDAA140@MW2PR02MB3849.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
	<ff764a49-6a31-2034-85e6-ce6d3fa7e82c@embarqmail.com>
	<MW2PR02MB3849A76840E6784B4667B9EDAAEC0@MW2PR02MB3849.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
	<30d00a11-5423-f30e-176c-eba949fb0659@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <MW2PR02MB38493713BA4B9A35EF29B171AAED0@MW2PR02MB3849.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>

Hi Don,

I finally got some time to check your suggestions. D18 is oriented properly, and it looks like C84 & C85 are marked 121 (kind of hard to read since they are installed). So I thought I would check voltages for the PLL Reference Oscillator circuit. Didn?t take long to find 7.5 volts going into X1 (the crystal) and 0 volts coming out! I resoldered the  pins to ensure no cold joints, and still 0 volts coming out. Do crystals go bad, or is it possible I burned it up by too much heat on the casing when grounding it? I think I will need a new one before I can check the BFO.

Thanks!
Don, KE0PVQ

Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10

From: Don Wilhelm<mailto:donwilh at embarqmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2018 7:34 PM
To: Don Schroder<mailto:donanddeena at hotmail.com>; elecraft at mailman.qth.net<mailto:elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K2 Alignment and Test, Part II issues

Don,

It seems you are having trouble with both the PLL Reference Oscillator
and the BFO (TP2 should be near 4915kHz).
The VFO TP1 is apparently oscillating if you have a frequency of
4918.88, but that frequency is not correct.

Tackle the PLL Reference first.
OK, the PLL Reference Oscillator is not oscillating for one reason or
another.  Chek all the components in the circuit for proper values and
good soldering.  You apparently can follow the schematic, if for no
other reason than to identify components in a circuit - that is helpful
information.
Make certain D18 is installed with the proper orientation, and that C84
and C85 are 120pF (marked 121).

73,
Don W3FPR

On 9/27/2018 8:07 PM, Don Schroder wrote:
>
> Don,
>
> All three test points are not zeros. TP1 reads a solid 4918.88, TP2
> reads between flickering 267 & 289, TP3 reads all zeros.
>
> The resistance from the source of Q19 to ground is 280 ohms.
>
> I did make an interesting discovery when I took voltages again.  U4,
> pin 5 (SDO) is 0 volts, pin 7 (SCK) is 4.8 volts. U5, pin 1 (SCK) is
> 4.8 volts, pin 2 (SDO) is 0 volts. These pins are just opposite what
> they should be (what does SDO and SCK represent?). Looks like
> something that is directional got switched?
>
> Sounds like we are making progress, but still a possible PLL problem?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Don, KE0PVQ
>
> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
> Windows 10
>
> *From: *Don Wilhelm <mailto:donwilh at embarqmail.com>
> *Sent: *Thursday, September 27, 2018 4:11 PM
> *To: *Don Schroder <mailto:donanddeena at hotmail.com>;
> elecraft at mailman.qth.net <mailto:elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> *Subject: *Re: [Elecraft] K2 Alignment and Test, Part II issues
>
> Don,
>
> While in CAL FCTR, try the probe in TP3 and TP1 and TP2.  If you have a
>
> zero reading in all 3 places, you most likely have a bad probe.
>
> Yes you might have a PLL problem, but that is not certain yet. One quick
>
> check is to measure the resistance from the source of Q19 to ground.  If
>
> it is high or infinite, check the leads of RFC14 like you did for
>
> RFC16.  The normal resistance is a bit more than 270 ohms.
>
> 73,
>
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 9/27/2018 4:41 PM, Don Schroder wrote:
>
> >
>
> > Don,
>
> >
>
> > Thank you for the excellent advice! I went to the bottom of the board
>
> > and checked the resistance between the ends of RFC16. It was infinite,
>
> > so I rewound RFC16 and ensured the leads were cleaned good. After
>
> > reinstalling, I now have 4.~ votes at U6 pin 5, and 8.~ at pin 8. Pin
>
> > 8 of the Thermistor Board has 8.~ volts, too.
>
> >
>
> > Now, when I select CAL FCTR and enable the frequency counter, the
>
> > counter shows 00000.00. I believe this tells me there is a problem
>
> > with the PLL Reference Oscillator. I will continue to look at those
>
> > components. Any other suggestions?
>
> >
>
> > Thanks!
>
> >
>
> > Don, KE0PVQ
>
> >
>
> > Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
>
> > Windows 10
>
> >
>
> > *From: *Don Wilhelm <mailto:donwilh at embarqmail.com>
>
> > *Sent: *Thursday, September 27, 2018 1:34 PM
>
> > *To: *Don Schroder <mailto:donanddeena at hotmail.com>;
>
> > elecraft at mailman.qth.net <mailto:elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
>
> > *Subject: *Re: [Elecraft] K2 Alignment and Test, Part II issues
>
> >
>
> > Don,
>
> >
>
> > You apparently have a problem with the thermistor board - or the 8 volts
>
> >
>
> > to it.
>
> >
>
> > A "voltage rail" are those PC traces that carry voltage to various parts
>
> >
>
> > of the circuit.
>
> >
>
> > In the K2, there is one for 12 volts, another for 8 volts and another
>
> >
>
> > for 5 volts.
>
> >
>
> > On the schematic they are labeled "12V", "8A" and "5V" respectively.
>
> >
>
> > The main 8 volt and 5 volt regulators are on the Control Board. You will
>
> >
>
> > find an "5B" voltage rail at the output of U8 on the RF Board and the
>
> >
>
> > "8B" voltage is sourced at the output side of RFC16.
>
> >
>
> > If you do not have 8 volts at the thermistor board pin 8, then
>
> >
>
> > investigate the stripping and tinning of the RFC16 leads.
>
> >
>
> > Once you have 8 volts at the thermistor board (RP3 position) pin 8, then
>
> >
>
> > recheck the voltage at U6 pin 5 - it should be quite close to 4 volts.
>
> >
>
> > 73,
>
> >
>
> > Don W3FPR
>
> >
>
> >
>



From ghyoungman at gmail.com  Sat Sep 29 16:09:32 2018
From: ghyoungman at gmail.com (Grant Youngman)
Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2018 16:09:32 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] OT - backup software
In-Reply-To: <91974766-2036-79b3-1d6a-149c636593f2@gmail.com>
References: <1457151285.1244180.1538183073479.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<1457151285.1244180.1538183073479@mail.yahoo.com>
	<d5490447-68a6-a10f-1ff2-f0ea170cd268@gmail.com>
	<91974766-2036-79b3-1d6a-149c636593f2@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <DC7D3B63-D296-45BC-8960-0E5EBBC703C1@gmail.com>

The fundamental problem with a question like this is that there may be as many answers as there are belly buttons, and since everyone has one ?  I?ve found that without specific criteria, you can?t always rely on the recommendations you?ll get to solve your problem(s).

Whatever you use, you need a complete .. e.g., 100 % clone of your hard drive that is BOOTABLE. (USB, firewire, plug-in, Thunderbolt, whatever).  Doesn?t matter whether it?s an external drive, a thumb thingie, or whatever.  It just has to be bootable.

You didn?t say what your specific concerns are with whatever you?re currently using.  It would help to know what you dislike about it or problems it is causing for you.  Otherwise, every specific software recommendation is just a shot in the dark and may leave you no better off.

Grant NQ5T
K3 #2091 KX3 #8342

>> 
>> 
>> 
>> a
>>> I am not happy with my current backup software package.  Any recommendations on backup software?  Like it to be free, but not necessary.
>>> 73,JohnK5ENQ


From kevin at ve3syb.ca  Sat Sep 29 16:19:48 2018
From: kevin at ve3syb.ca (Kevin Cozens)
Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2018 16:19:48 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] OT - backup software
In-Reply-To: <DC7D3B63-D296-45BC-8960-0E5EBBC703C1@gmail.com>
References: <1457151285.1244180.1538183073479.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<1457151285.1244180.1538183073479@mail.yahoo.com>
	<d5490447-68a6-a10f-1ff2-f0ea170cd268@gmail.com>
	<91974766-2036-79b3-1d6a-149c636593f2@gmail.com>
	<DC7D3B63-D296-45BC-8960-0E5EBBC703C1@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2ff4b3c5-e1cb-7f9a-5f2a-12a45f76bf6e@ve3syb.ca>

On 2018-09-29 04:09 PM, Grant Youngman wrote:
> Whatever you use, you need a complete .. e.g., 100 % clone of your hard drive that is BOOTABLE. (USB, firewire, plug-in, Thunderbolt, whatever).  Doesn?t matter whether it?s an external drive, a thumb thingie, or whatever.  It just has to be bootable.

I'm using rsync to do backups. I keep bootable CD's and USB memory sticks 
containing Linux so I can use them to start up the computer from "bare 
metal" should the hard drives fail.

For anyone using backup programs that aren't stock with their Linux distro I 
would suggest keeping a backup of the backup program so you can easily 
reinstall it if/when you use a bootable media to bring up the computer in 
order to restore drive contents after a failure.

-- 
Cheers!

Kevin.

http://www.ve3syb.ca/               | "Nerds make the shiny things that
https://www.patreon.com/KevinCozens | distract the mouth-breathers, and
                                     | that's why we're powerful"
Owner of Elecraft K2 #2172          |
#include <disclaimer/favourite>     |             --Chris Hardwick

From johnbaumgarten1 at gmail.com  Sat Sep 29 16:37:35 2018
From: johnbaumgarten1 at gmail.com (John Baumgarten)
Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2018 15:37:35 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] RRC/K3 RTTY issue
Message-ID: <BC6CA881-5BA5-4805-AD26-6337FC5074F1@gmail.com>

After not trying RTTY for a while, can?t get it working with my two K3 RRC set up on RTTY. No problem decoding and prints out fine using N1MM/MMTTY. Just can?t tx!  Get a low solid tone. The correct macro is printing on screen?no diddling!  Must be something simple I set up wrong?  Mini USB to computer is connected!  Any ideas, please. Thanks 
John, N0IJ 

Sent from my I phone

From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Sat Sep 29 16:38:18 2018
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2018 16:38:18 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 Alignment and Test, Part II issues
In-Reply-To: <MW2PR02MB38493713BA4B9A35EF29B171AAED0@MW2PR02MB3849.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
References: <MW2PR02MB3849174179D64C277C662E15AA140@MW2PR02MB3849.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
	<c97290ee-d194-c7a4-d071-0411afaadb2b@embarqmail.com>
	<MW2PR02MB3849454BDF2729247B10A6FFAA140@MW2PR02MB3849.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
	<c365d746-03f8-3ac4-b626-3e2a85303bee@embarqmail.com>
	<MW2PR02MB38498081EA66190AE81D02FDAA140@MW2PR02MB3849.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
	<ff764a49-6a31-2034-85e6-ce6d3fa7e82c@embarqmail.com>
	<MW2PR02MB3849A76840E6784B4667B9EDAAEC0@MW2PR02MB3849.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
	<30d00a11-5423-f30e-176c-eba949fb0659@embarqmail.com>
	<MW2PR02MB38493713BA4B9A35EF29B171AAED0@MW2PR02MB3849.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <9027a92c-eb62-d877-e4e4-6ef463bdfd3d@embarqmail.com>

Don,

The voltage is likely coming through RP2 and making its way through 
L31.? That is not the problem.
If you want to verify that it is that path, read it while rotating the 
VFO through a 10 or 12 kHz range.? It should vary.

When the crystal oscillates, you should obtain a frequency at TP3.? That 
is your next challenge.
As I said in the last email, measure the resistance at the source of 
Q19. It should be near 270 ohms.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 9/29/2018 4:02 PM, Don Schroder wrote:
>
> Hi Don,
>
> I finally got some time to check your suggestions. D18 is oriented 
> properly, and it looks like C84 & C85 are marked 121 (kind of hard to 
> read since they are installed). So I thought I would check voltages 
> for the PLL Reference Oscillator circuit. Didn?t take long to find 7.5 
> volts going into X1 (the crystal) and 0 volts coming out! I resoldered 
> the ?pins to ensure no cold joints, and still 0 volts coming out. Do 
> crystals go bad, or is it possible I burned it up by too much heat on 
> the casing when grounding it? I think I will need a new one before I 
> can check the BFO.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Don, KE0PVQ
>
>


From alang0hiq at yahoo.com  Sat Sep 29 16:46:33 2018
From: alang0hiq at yahoo.com (Alan Bee)
Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2018 20:46:33 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] My previous errored posting
In-Reply-To: <mailman.428.1538169739.2969.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
References: <mailman.428.1538169739.2969.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID: <836862323.1459483.1538253993911@mail.yahoo.com>

Hi all,

Apologies for sending a reply containing all the digest text, a re digest heading and no message.

I was at the RSGB national hamfest using a small iPad with touch screen and fat fingers.
The reply button is too close to other buttons on the touch screen.
Now back home on my PC.

I had not intended to send a reply at all and had deleted the digest before realising what had happened.
I normally delete all digests after reading so had no easy way of sending an apology at the time.
Thanks to those who were kind enough to let me know, off-line, what had happened.
 I have replied to them individually.
Sorry for the mess,

73? Alan? G0HIQ


From donanddeena at hotmail.com  Sat Sep 29 17:14:19 2018
From: donanddeena at hotmail.com (Don Schroder)
Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2018 21:14:19 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 Alignment and Test, Part II issues
In-Reply-To: <9027a92c-eb62-d877-e4e4-6ef463bdfd3d@embarqmail.com>
References: <MW2PR02MB3849174179D64C277C662E15AA140@MW2PR02MB3849.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
	<c97290ee-d194-c7a4-d071-0411afaadb2b@embarqmail.com>
	<MW2PR02MB3849454BDF2729247B10A6FFAA140@MW2PR02MB3849.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
	<c365d746-03f8-3ac4-b626-3e2a85303bee@embarqmail.com>
	<MW2PR02MB38498081EA66190AE81D02FDAA140@MW2PR02MB3849.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
	<ff764a49-6a31-2034-85e6-ce6d3fa7e82c@embarqmail.com>
	<MW2PR02MB3849A76840E6784B4667B9EDAAEC0@MW2PR02MB3849.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
	<30d00a11-5423-f30e-176c-eba949fb0659@embarqmail.com>
	<MW2PR02MB38493713BA4B9A35EF29B171AAED0@MW2PR02MB3849.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
	<9027a92c-eb62-d877-e4e4-6ef463bdfd3d@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <MW2PR02MB3849A3687E76FBBA13D899FCAAED0@MW2PR02MB3849.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>

Don,

I?m now confused. I did measure the resistance at the source of Q19, which measured 280 ohms.

Will voltage pass through a crystal only when it oscillates? I got excited when I saw the voltage on
both sides of L31 was 7.5 volts, but the voltage on both sides of diode D18 was zero.

I very much appreciate your help. I apologize if I am asking dumb questions, I?m trying to teach
this 75 year old brain. I?ll rotate the VFO and see what happens. I have much to learn!

Thanks much!
Don, KE0PVQ

Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10

From: Don Wilhelm<mailto:donwilh at embarqmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2018 3:38 PM
To: Don Schroder<mailto:donanddeena at hotmail.com>; elecraft at mailman.qth.net<mailto:elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K2 Alignment and Test, Part II issues

Don,

The voltage is likely coming through RP2 and making its way through
L31.  That is not the problem.
VFO through a 10 or 12 kHz range.  It should vary.

When the crystal oscillates, you should obtain a frequency at TP3.  That
is your next challenge.
As I said in the last email, measure the resistance at the source of
Q19. It should be near 270 ohms.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 9/29/2018 4:02 PM, Don Schroder wrote:
>
> Hi Don,
>
> I finally got some time to check your suggestions. D18 is oriented
> properly, and it looks like C84 & C85 are marked 121 (kind of hard to
> read since they are installed). So I thought I would check voltages
> for the PLL Reference Oscillator circuit. Didn?t take long to find 7.5
> volts going into X1 (the crystal) and 0 volts coming out! I resoldered
> the  pins to ensure no cold joints, and still 0 volts coming out. Do
> crystals go bad, or is it possible I burned it up by too much heat on
> the casing when grounding it? I think I will need a new one before I
> can check the BFO.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Don, KE0PVQ
>
>



From mgcizek at gmail.com  Sat Sep 29 17:44:46 2018
From: mgcizek at gmail.com (Mike Cizek W0VTT)
Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2018 16:44:46 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Stuck in MCU Load
Message-ID: <89B2E43C942241F8AED28A2534CB6BFF@X230>

Greetings - 

I appear to have really #@(*)(*%&ed up my K3.  While updating the firmware,
I accidentally hit either a key on the computer keyboard or one of the mouse
buttons.  The K3 Utility window "grayed out" and the K3 is stuck in MCU
Load, no backlight, TX LED flashing.

Setup: Astron 50A PSU; K3 # 2768 with new KIO3B board; direct USB connection
to Lenovo Thinkpad running WIN7 Home Premium; K3 Util v 1.16.7.25.  Computer
and K3 Utility both recognize the COM port; latest FTDI drivers installed.

Yes, I know there is supposed to be a cure for this, but it didn't work.  I
tried:

1. Restarting both the computer and the K3 a few times.
2. Remove & reconnect power supply from K3, hold POWER button to force it
into bootloader mode. (which it is already in)
3. Factory reset (power on while holding SHIFT/LO button). Never got the EE
INIT message.
4. Uninstall and re-install K3 Utility and try 1-3 again.
5. Uninstall and re-install front panel assembly; try 1-3 again.

K3 Utility is still trying to connect and the TX LED is still flashing.  Any
ideas before I call tech support on Monday?  Thanks.

-- 
73,
Mike Cizek W?VTT


From wc1m73 at gmail.com  Sat Sep 29 17:50:33 2018
From: wc1m73 at gmail.com (Dick Green WC1M)
Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2018 17:50:33 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] OT - backup software
In-Reply-To: <1457151285.1244180.1538183073479@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1457151285.1244180.1538183073479.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<1457151285.1244180.1538183073479@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000001d4583e$7361e880$5a25b980$@gmail.com>

I use EaseUS. It's a complete package with options for scheduled full backup, incremental backups, continuous backup, disk image, etc. Also can be used to clone disks. 

Acronis is a very popular backup package for Windows. I used to use it but had several mishaps, including not being able to read old backups. Haven't tried it in a long time.

I have EaseUS setup to do a full backup on each disk in my system on the first day of the month, and incremental backups on each disk once a day. The backups are written to a hard drive in a USB dock. I have a set of five of these disks and rotate to the next drive after the last incremental backup of the month. Whenever I visit my safe deposit box, I put one of the disks in the box and retrieve the one that I put in the box last time. That way, I have an offsite backup in case of disaster. It might be a little old, but better than nothing.

Further, I have Windows 10 on and SSD and all of my critical data on a separate SSD, including work files, spreadsheets, Quicken data, all my ham radio data (e.g., contest logs), and so forth. This data is continuously copied to the cloud and synced with all my devices so that I have multiple copies of it, including the versions in the hard drive backup rotation. There are many cloud services that can be used for this, but I use Microsoft OneDrive because I get 1 TB of storage free with my subscription to Office 365. It helps to have very high speed internet with fast upload speed (75/15 here, but usually it's more like 90/20.)

When apps allow it, I configure them to keep user-specific data on my user data drive. I also try to get them to save their configuration data to my data drive. Unfortunately, some apps don't let you change their data and/or configuration locations. These days it's often in C:\Users\<your user ID>\AppData. I have to be content with that data being backed up to local hard drives only.

I've also configured Windows to do a scheduled System Restore Point each day, but it doesn't always work. Typically it's done when updates are applied and sometimes when apps are installed. When I remember, I do one manually. These restore points can be crucial if your system gets messed up by a hardware failure or problem with a Windows update.

As you can tell, I'm a proponent of belt-and-suspenders backups. I've been burned many times, going back as far as 1972. First casualty was a term paper, back when most college students used typewriters and virtually no one would have tried to type a paper into a computer. The professor didn't believe me when I told him that a poor design in the syntax of the user interface caused me to accidentally erase the paper. He looked at me like I'd told him my dog ate my homework.

73, Dick WC1M

-----Original Message-----
From: John Saxon <johnbsaxon at yahoo.com> 
Sent: Friday, September 28, 2018 9:05 PM
To: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: [Elecraft] OT - backup software

I am not happy with my current backup software package.  Any recommendations on backup software?  Like it to be free, but not necessary.
73,JohnK5ENQ



From nr4c at widomaker.com  Sat Sep 29 20:16:43 2018
From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c)
Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2018 20:16:43 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] RRC/K3 RTTY issue
In-Reply-To: <BC6CA881-5BA5-4805-AD26-6337FC5074F1@gmail.com>
References: <BC6CA881-5BA5-4805-AD26-6337FC5074F1@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <54955009-17E0-4738-9A60-E1885645348E@widomaker.com>

Check DATA sub-mode.  Do you want FSK-D or AFSK?  

Sounds like you have set FSK-D and need AFSK.  

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill


> On Sep 29, 2018, at 4:37 PM, John Baumgarten <johnbaumgarten1 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> After not trying RTTY for a while, can?t get it working with my two K3 RRC set up on RTTY. No problem decoding and prints out fine using N1MM/MMTTY. Just can?t tx!  Get a low solid tone. The correct macro is printing on screen?no diddling!  Must be something simple I set up wrong?  Mini USB to computer is connected!  Any ideas, please. Thanks 
> John, N0IJ 
> 
> Sent from my I phone
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From richarddw1945 at yahoo.com  Sat Sep 29 20:20:59 2018
From: richarddw1945 at yahoo.com (RIchard Williams)
Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2018 00:20:59 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Stuck in MCU Load
In-Reply-To: <89B2E43C942241F8AED28A2534CB6BFF@X230>
References: <89B2E43C942241F8AED28A2534CB6BFF@X230>
Message-ID: <2045208908.1542728.1538266859473@mail.yahoo.com>

IF you are using the USB connection to the computer, you need to either switch to the RS 232 port and use that;? OR take the cover off the K3 and move the little slide switch on the KIO3B board to the opposite position.? You can then use the USB method.? ?After you have re-installed the firmware, move the switch back to the other position.
IF your KIO3B board does not have the small switch,? it is an older board and you have to use a RS232 cable.? Check with Elecraft, and they will probably switch boards to the newer one with the switch.
I had the same issue awhile back.
Dick, K8ZTT
Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
 
  On Sat, Sep 29, 2018 at 11:45, Mike Cizek W0VTT<mgcizek at gmail.com> wrote:   Greetings - 

I appear to have really #@(*)(*%&ed up my K3.? While updating the firmware,
I accidentally hit either a key on the computer keyboard or one of the mouse
buttons.? The K3 Utility window "grayed out" and the K3 is stuck in MCU
Load, no backlight, TX LED flashing.

Setup: Astron 50A PSU; K3 # 2768 with new KIO3B board; direct USB connection
to Lenovo Thinkpad running WIN7 Home Premium; K3 Util v 1.16.7.25.? Computer
and K3 Utility both recognize the COM port; latest FTDI drivers installed.

Yes, I know there is supposed to be a cure for this, but it didn't work.? I
tried:

1. Restarting both the computer and the K3 a few times.
2. Remove & reconnect power supply from K3, hold POWER button to force it
into bootloader mode. (which it is already in)
3. Factory reset (power on while holding SHIFT/LO button). Never got the EE
INIT message.
4. Uninstall and re-install K3 Utility and try 1-3 again.
5. Uninstall and re-install front panel assembly; try 1-3 again.

K3 Utility is still trying to connect and the TX LED is still flashing.? Any
ideas before I call tech support on Monday?? Thanks.

-- 
73,
Mike Cizek W?VTT

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From mgcizek at gmail.com  Sat Sep 29 21:03:32 2018
From: mgcizek at gmail.com (Mike Cizek W0VTT)
Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2018 20:03:32 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Stuck in MCU Load - SOLVED
In-Reply-To: <2045208908.1542728.1538266859473@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <89B2E43C942241F8AED28A2534CB6BFF@X230>
	<2045208908.1542728.1538266859473@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <9C5A7D3C0DC84B3DBA404EAD4D5194ED@X230>

Many thanks for all the replies.  K8ZTT had the correct answer and I am now
up and running again.  

--
73,
Mike Cizek W?VTT 
________________________________________
From: RIchard Williams [mailto:richarddw1945 at yahoo.com] 
Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2018 19:21
To: mgcizek at gmail.com; elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Stuck in MCU Load

IF you are using the USB connection to the computer, you need to either
switch to the RS 232 port and use that;? OR take the cover off the K3 and
move the little slide switch on the KIO3B board to the opposite position.?
You can then use the USB method.? ?After you have re-installed the firmware,
move the switch back to the other position.

IF your KIO3B board does not have the small switch,? it is an older board
and you have to use a RS232 cable.? Check with Elecraft, and they will
probably switch boards to the newer one with the switch.

I had the same issue awhile back.

Dick, K8ZTT

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android

On Sat, Sep 29, 2018 at 11:45, Mike Cizek W0VTT
<mgcizek at gmail.com> wrote:
Greetings - 

I appear to have really #@(*)(*%&ed up my K3.? While updating the firmware,
I accidentally hit either a key on the computer keyboard or one of the mouse
buttons.? The K3 Utility window "grayed out" and the K3 is stuck in MCU
Load, no backlight, TX LED flashing.

Setup: Astron 50A PSU; K3 # 2768 with new KIO3B board; direct USB connection
to Lenovo Thinkpad running WIN7 Home Premium; K3 Util v 1.16.7.25.? Computer
and K3 Utility both recognize the COM port; latest FTDI drivers installed.

Yes, I know there is supposed to be a cure for this, but it didn't work.? I
tried:

1. Restarting both the computer and the K3 a few times.
2. Remove & reconnect power supply from K3, hold POWER button to force it
into bootloader mode. (which it is already in)
3. Factory reset (power on while holding SHIFT/LO button). Never got the EE
INIT message.
4. Uninstall and re-install K3 Utility and try 1-3 again.
5. Uninstall and re-install front panel assembly; try 1-3 again.

K3 Utility is still trying to connect and the TX LED is still flashing.? Any
ideas before I call tech support on Monday?? Thanks.

-- 
73,
Mike Cizek W?VTT

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From kevinr at coho.net  Sun Sep 30 01:08:17 2018
From: kevinr at coho.net (kevinr)
Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2018 22:08:17 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Announcement
Message-ID: <180728e7-41c4-7ae8-35b3-8b2cc17321cd@coho.net>

Good Evening,

 ?? The sun remains quiet.? The lower noise floor helps copy of weaker 
signals.? There is still a solar breeze feeding ions through the cracks 
in our magnetic field.? Whatever it takes.

 ?? Some of the trees are turning color lower down the mountain. Up here 
only the shrubs change color, the alder leaves turn brown and fall off.? 
I guess that's a color change.? But the vine maple turn a bright red 
which contrasts nicely with the green of the fir forests.

 ? The elk are still shredding trees shining up their antlers while the 
elk hunters drive all over trying to find them.? The clear cut half a 
mile away is forcing the game to move off.? The bountiful bear berries 
are raising a fine crop of grouse.? They keep my heart well exercised 
every time I kick one of more into flight.? I know where they live you'd 
think I'd get used to them flushing.

 ?? 7047 kHz worked well last week so I'll try it again.

Please join us tomorrow on:

14050 kHz at 2200z Sunday (3 PM PDT Sunday)
 ? 7047 kHz at 0000z Monday (5 PM PDT Sunday)

73,
Kevin. KD5ONS

_


From i7swx at yahoo.com  Sun Sep 30 06:48:22 2018
From: i7swx at yahoo.com (Giancarlo Moda)
Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2018 10:48:22 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] At Pacificon: 25th anniversary talk about the NorCal 40
 transceiver & NorCal QRP Club
References: <1499970558.1567534.1538304502724.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1499970558.1567534.1538304502724@mail.yahoo.com>

Hi Wayne,
congratulations for the talk about the NorCal 40 RTX quarter of a century story. After Pacificon the presentation will be made available on a web site and/or downloadable? There is always something to learn.
Thanks and 73
GianI7SWX

 
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From softblue at windstream.net  Sun Sep 30 16:37:47 2018
From: softblue at windstream.net (Dick Dickinson)
Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2018 16:37:47 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3_EZ Installation
Message-ID: <000001d458fd$72bff560$583fe020$@windstream.net>

I'm on a recent Windows 10 fresh build.  I'm not quite comprehending the
installation process for K3_EZ V8.

 

I have a zipped file which contains an a setup.exe, K3_EZ.application and a
folder of Application Files.  Further inside the Application Files folder is
another, K3_EZ_2_0_0_7 folder which contains K3_EZ.application, a Resources
folder and several .deploy file and one .manifest file.

 

It is not clear to me where to unzip the original K3_EZ_V2008.zip folder to
and precisely what to do with the contents.  

 

What I've done so far seems to yield failure.  I do have .NET 2.0 and .NET
3.0 (combined as .NET 3.5, I believe) installed.

 

Specific instructions will be appreciated.

 

 

73,

Dick - KA5KKT

 

 


From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Sun Sep 30 17:04:39 2018
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2018 17:04:39 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3_EZ Installation
In-Reply-To: <000001d458fd$72bff560$583fe020$@windstream.net>
References: <000001d458fd$72bff560$583fe020$@windstream.net>
Message-ID: <db6ae8e3-157c-098a-dc9a-06d8bacf3566@embarqmail.com>

Dick,

I would recommend you unzip it to a new folder and then run the setup.exe.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 9/30/2018 4:37 PM, Dick Dickinson wrote:
> I'm on a recent Windows 10 fresh build.  I'm not quite comprehending the
> installation process for K3_EZ V8.
> 
> I have a zipped file which contains an a setup.exe, K3_EZ.application and a
> folder of Application Files.  Further inside the Application Files folder is
> another, K3_EZ_2_0_0_7 folder which contains K3_EZ.application, a Resources
> folder and several .deploy file and one .manifest file.
> 
> It is not clear to me where to unzip the original K3_EZ_V2008.zip folder to
> and precisely what to do with the contents.
> 
> What I've done so far seems to yield failure.  I do have .NET 2.0 and .NET
> 3.0 (combined as .NET 3.5, I believe) installed.

From hsherriff at reagan.com  Sun Sep 30 19:07:38 2018
From: hsherriff at reagan.com (Harlan Sherriff)
Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2018 19:07:38 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3_EZ Installation
In-Reply-To: <db6ae8e3-157c-098a-dc9a-06d8bacf3566@embarqmail.com>
References: <000001d458fd$72bff560$583fe020$@windstream.net>
	<db6ae8e3-157c-098a-dc9a-06d8bacf3566@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <EE9FA245-C6BA-4E1B-B114-1BE12547A241@reagan.com>

You may have to right-click the .exe file and run as administrator 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 30, 2018, at 5:04 PM, Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Dick,
> 
> I would recommend you unzip it to a new folder and then run the setup.exe.
> 
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
> 
>> On 9/30/2018 4:37 PM, Dick Dickinson wrote:
>> I'm on a recent Windows 10 fresh build.  I'm not quite comprehending the
>> installation process for K3_EZ V8.
>> I have a zipped file which contains an a setup.exe, K3_EZ.application and a
>> folder of Application Files.  Further inside the Application Files folder is
>> another, K3_EZ_2_0_0_7 folder which contains K3_EZ.application, a Resources
>> folder and several .deploy file and one .manifest file.
>> It is not clear to me where to unzip the original K3_EZ_V2008.zip folder to
>> and precisely what to do with the contents.
>> What I've done so far seems to yield failure.  I do have .NET 2.0 and .NET
>> 3.0 (combined as .NET 3.5, I believe) installed.
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From softblue at windstream.net  Sun Sep 30 19:38:31 2018
From: softblue at windstream.net (Dick Dickinson)
Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2018 19:38:31 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3_EZ Installation
Message-ID: <000a01d45916$b2490730$16db1590$@windstream.net>

Thanks, Don and Harlan,

 

It seems that running the setup routine as Administrator did the trick.  

 

73,

Dick - KA5KKT

 

You may have to right-click the .exe file and run as administrator 

 

Sent from my iPhone

 

> On Sep 30, 2018, at 5:04 PM, Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com>
wrote:

> 

> Dick,

> 

> I would recommend you unzip it to a new folder and then run the setup.exe.

> 

> 73,

> Don W3FPR

> 

>> On 9/30/2018 4:37 PM, Dick Dickinson wrote:

>> I'm on a recent Windows 10 fresh build.  I'm not quite comprehending the

>> installation process for K3_EZ V8.

>> I have a zipped file which contains an a setup.exe, K3_EZ.application and
a

>> folder of Application Files.  Further inside the Application Files folder
is

>> another, K3_EZ_2_0_0_7 folder which contains K3_EZ.application, a
Resources

>> folder and several .deploy file and one .manifest file.

>> It is not clear to me where to unzip the original K3_EZ_V2008.zip folder
to

>> and precisely what to do with the contents.

>> What I've done so far seems to yield failure.  I do have .NET 2.0 and
.NET

>> 3.0 (combined as .NET 3.5, I believe) installed.

> ______________________________________________________________


From kevinr at coho.net  Sun Sep 30 20:11:23 2018
From: kevinr at coho.net (kevinr)
Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2018 17:11:23 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Report
Message-ID: <035b93f5-9ab7-5dfe-9b12-25c70360191c@coho.net>

Good Evening,

 ??? I searched up and down on the forty meter band to find an 
unoccupied frequency.? From 7030 to 7070 kHz there was a swath of RTTY 
folks tweedeling away.? Oh well, the band sounded good though which 
bodes well for the future.


 ? On 14050.5 kHz at 2200z:

W0CZ - Ken - ND

AB9V - Mike - IN

K6XK - Roy - IA

K4JPN - Steve - GA


 ? Twenty meters was very quiet today with mild and slow QSB. Everyone I 
could hear was good copy even if the signals dropped below S0.? Forty 
meters also sounded good filled with RTTY signals of various strength 
levels.? There was a little storm noise there too.

 ?? Tomorrow the falling trees will awaken me a little after dawn.? This 
logging company falls trees the old fashioned way: with saws so they use 
natural light.? Larger companies have a variety of large falling 
equipment which have lots of lights attached.? They start work two to 
three hours before dawn to take advantage of the moisture.? I'm glad 
these guys let me sleep late :)

 ?? Until next week 73,

 ????? Kevin.


KD5ONS

-


From john.dolan55 at gmail.com  Sun Sep 30 20:52:35 2018
From: john.dolan55 at gmail.com (John Dolan)
Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2018 20:52:35 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Eagles Peaceful Easy Feeling live
Message-ID: <60FC5311-8465-4833-B7C4-5110457015D1@gmail.com>

Notice how Bernie pulls his left shoulder and you can see how the B string Bender works.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byZn1KBzdeI&list=RDR4qHhFuxFpw&index=6

From wa6nhc at gmail.com  Sun Sep 30 21:15:56 2018
From: wa6nhc at gmail.com (Rick WA6NHC)
Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2018 18:15:56 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3_EZ Installation
In-Reply-To: <EE9FA245-C6BA-4E1B-B114-1BE12547A241@reagan.com>
References: <000001d458fd$72bff560$583fe020$@windstream.net>
	<db6ae8e3-157c-098a-dc9a-06d8bacf3566@embarqmail.com>
	<EE9FA245-C6BA-4E1B-B114-1BE12547A241@reagan.com>
Message-ID: <8b068f91-00f0-fc19-a592-84359535a062@gmail.com>

I will submit that if this is required by ANY software, that it isn't 
packaged correctly.? An elevated installer should be used and installing 
as admin is generally a really bad idea.? There are a few exceptions 
only.? Install normally, K3_EZ will install correctly.


Rick nhc


On 9/30/2018 4:07 PM, Harlan Sherriff via Elecraft wrote:
> You may have to right-click the .exe file and run as administrator
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Sep 30, 2018, at 5:04 PM, Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Dick,
>>
>> I would recommend you unzip it to a new folder and then run the setup.exe.
>>
>> 73,
>> Don W3FPR
>>
>>> On 9/30/2018 4:37 PM, Dick Dickinson wrote:
>>> I'm on a recent Windows 10 fresh build.  I'm not quite comprehending the
>>> installation process for K3_EZ V8.
>>> I have a zipped file which contains an a setup.exe, K3_EZ.application and a
>>> folder of Application Files.  Further inside the Application Files folder is
>>> another, K3_EZ_2_0_0_7 folder which contains K3_EZ.application, a Resources
>>> folder and several .deploy file and one .manifest file.
>>> It is not clear to me where to unzip the original K3_EZ_V2008.zip folder to
>>> and precisely what to do with the contents.
>>> What I've done so far seems to yield failure.  I do have .NET 2.0 and .NET
>>> 3.0 (combined as .NET 3.5, I believe) installed.
>> ______________________________________________________________
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From jim at n7us.net  Sun Sep 30 21:24:28 2018
From: jim at n7us.net (Jim McDonald)
Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2018 20:24:28 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3_EZ Installation
In-Reply-To: <8b068f91-00f0-fc19-a592-84359535a062@gmail.com>
References: <000001d458fd$72bff560$583fe020$@windstream.net>	<db6ae8e3-157c-098a-dc9a-06d8bacf3566@embarqmail.com>	<EE9FA245-C6BA-4E1B-B114-1BE12547A241@reagan.com>
	<8b068f91-00f0-fc19-a592-84359535a062@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <016901d45925$7fcb7810$7f626830$@n7us.net>

I noticed some bugs with that version of K3_EZ.  I think they were in saving TQ EQ settings, but I don't remember for sure.  The 2005 or 2007 versions didn't have those bugs.

I believe the developer is a SK.

Jim N7US

-----Original Message-----


I will submit that if this is required by ANY software, that it isn't packaged correctly.  An elevated installer should be used and installing as admin is generally a really bad idea.  There are a few exceptions only.  Install normally, K3_EZ will install correctly.


Rick nhc


On 9/30/2018 4:07 PM, Harlan Sherriff via Elecraft wrote:
> You may have to right-click the .exe file and run as administrator
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Sep 30, 2018, at 5:04 PM, Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Dick,
>>
>> I would recommend you unzip it to a new folder and then run the setup.exe.
>>
>> 73,
>> Don W3FPR
>>
>>> On 9/30/2018 4:37 PM, Dick Dickinson wrote:
>>> I'm on a recent Windows 10 fresh build.  I'm not quite comprehending 
>>> the installation process for K3_EZ V8.
>>> I have a zipped file which contains an a setup.exe, 
>>> K3_EZ.application and a folder of Application Files.  Further inside 
>>> the Application Files folder is another, K3_EZ_2_0_0_7 folder which 
>>> contains K3_EZ.application, a Resources folder and several .deploy file and one .manifest file.
>>> It is not clear to me where to unzip the original K3_EZ_V2008.zip 
>>> folder to and precisely what to do with the contents.
>>> What I've done so far seems to yield failure.  I do have .NET 2.0 
>>> and .NET
>>> 3.0 (combined as .NET 3.5, I believe) installed.


From jim at n7us.net  Sun Sep 30 21:26:33 2018
From: jim at n7us.net (Jim McDonald)
Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2018 20:26:33 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3_EZ Installation
In-Reply-To: <016901d45925$7fcb7810$7f626830$@n7us.net>
References: <000001d458fd$72bff560$583fe020$@windstream.net>	<db6ae8e3-157c-098a-dc9a-06d8bacf3566@embarqmail.com>	<EE9FA245-C6BA-4E1B-B114-1BE12547A241@reagan.com>	<8b068f91-00f0-fc19-a592-84359535a062@gmail.com>
	<016901d45925$7fcb7810$7f626830$@n7us.net>
Message-ID: <018601d45925$ca79f800$5f6de800$@n7us.net>

Sorry, I meant TX EQ.

Jim N7US

-----Original Message-----

I noticed some bugs with that version of K3_EZ.  I think they were in saving
TQ EQ settings, but I don't remember for sure.  The 2005 or 2007 versions
didn't have those bugs.

I believe the developer is a SK.

Jim N7US



From kengkopp at gmail.com  Sun Sep 30 21:31:13 2018
From: kengkopp at gmail.com (Ken G Kopp)
Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2018 19:31:13 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] Eagles Peaceful Easy Feeling live
In-Reply-To: <60FC5311-8465-4833-B7C4-5110457015D1@gmail.com>
References: <60FC5311-8465-4833-B7C4-5110457015D1@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAD4CdTMpqq1nw=mE-4n9Qa=pDq4hip7vrV1W9=CmtS639P5X1A@mail.gmail.com>

John, did you intend to send this to the reflector?

73 !

K0PP

On Sun, Sep 30, 2018, 18:53 John Dolan <john.dolan55 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Notice how Bernie pulls his left shoulder and you can see how the B string
> Bender works.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byZn1KBzdeI&list=RDR4qHhFuxFpw&index=6
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From johnn1jm at gmail.com  Sun Sep 30 22:38:40 2018
From: johnn1jm at gmail.com (John_N1JM)
Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2018 19:38:40 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Stuck in MCU Load - SOLVED
In-Reply-To: <9C5A7D3C0DC84B3DBA404EAD4D5194ED@X230>
References: <89B2E43C942241F8AED28A2534CB6BFF@X230>
	<2045208908.1542728.1538266859473@mail.yahoo.com>
	<9C5A7D3C0DC84B3DBA404EAD4D5194ED@X230>
Message-ID: <1538361520375-0.post@n2.nabble.com>

What was the answer? Didn't show up on the reflector.

John N1JM


Mike Cizek W0VTT wrote
> Many thanks for all the replies.  K8ZTT had the correct answer and I am
> now
> up and running again.  
> 
> --
> 73,
> Mike Cizek W?VTT 
> ________________________________________
> From: RIchard Williams [mailto:

> richarddw1945@

> ] 
> Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2018 19:21
> To: 

> mgcizek@

> ; 

> elecraft at .qth

> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Stuck in MCU Load
> 
> IF you are using the USB connection to the computer, you need to either
> switch to the RS 232 port and use that;? OR take the cover off the K3 and
> move the little slide switch on the KIO3B board to the opposite position.?
> You can then use the USB method.? ?After you have re-installed the
> firmware,
> move the switch back to the other position.
> 
> IF your KIO3B board does not have the small switch,? it is an older board
> and you have to use a RS232 cable.? Check with Elecraft, and they will
> probably switch boards to the newer one with the switch.
> 
> I had the same issue awhile back.
> 
> Dick, K8ZTT
> 
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
> 
> On Sat, Sep 29, 2018 at 11:45, Mike Cizek W0VTT
> &lt;

> mgcizek@

> &gt; wrote:
> Greetings - 
> 
> I appear to have really #@(*)(*%&ed up my K3.? While updating the
> firmware,
> I accidentally hit either a key on the computer keyboard or one of the
> mouse
> buttons.? The K3 Utility window "grayed out" and the K3 is stuck in MCU
> Load, no backlight, TX LED flashing.
> 
> Setup: Astron 50A PSU; K3 # 2768 with new KIO3B board; direct USB
> connection
> to Lenovo Thinkpad running WIN7 Home Premium; K3 Util v 1.16.7.25.?
> Computer
> and K3 Utility both recognize the COM port; latest FTDI drivers installed.
> 
> Yes, I know there is supposed to be a cure for this, but it didn't work.?
> I
> tried:
> 
> 1. Restarting both the computer and the K3 a few times.
> 2. Remove & reconnect power supply from K3, hold POWER button to force it
> into bootloader mode. (which it is already in)
> 3. Factory reset (power on while holding SHIFT/LO button). Never got the
> EE
> INIT message.
> 4. Uninstall and re-install K3 Utility and try 1-3 again.
> 5. Uninstall and re-install front panel assembly; try 1-3 again.
> 
> K3 Utility is still trying to connect and the TX LED is still flashing.?
> Any
> ideas before I call tech support on Monday?? Thanks.
> 
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> 73,
> Mike Cizek W?VTT
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From johnn1jm at gmail.com  Sun Sep 30 22:41:04 2018
From: johnn1jm at gmail.com (John_N1JM)
Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2018 19:41:04 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Stuck in MCU Load - SOLVED
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Whoops! It is there.Sorry.

John N1JM


Mike Cizek W0VTT wrote
> Many thanks for all the replies.  K8ZTT had the correct answer and I am
> now
> up and running again.  
> 
> --
> 73,
> Mike Cizek W?VTT 
> ________________________________________
> From: RIchard Williams [mailto:

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> ] 
> Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2018 19:21
> To: 

> mgcizek@

> ; 

> elecraft at .qth

> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Stuck in MCU Load
> 
> IF you are using the USB connection to the computer, you need to either
> switch to the RS 232 port and use that;? OR take the cover off the K3 and
> move the little slide switch on the KIO3B board to the opposite position.?
> You can then use the USB method.? ?After you have re-installed the
> firmware,
> move the switch back to the other position.
> 
> IF your KIO3B board does not have the small switch,? it is an older board
> and you have to use a RS232 cable.? Check with Elecraft, and they will
> probably switch boards to the newer one with the switch.
> 
> I had the same issue awhile back.
> 
> Dick, K8ZTT
> 
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
> 
> On Sat, Sep 29, 2018 at 11:45, Mike Cizek W0VTT
> &lt;

> mgcizek@

> &gt; wrote:
> Greetings - 
> 
> I appear to have really #@(*)(*%&ed up my K3.? While updating the
> firmware,
> I accidentally hit either a key on the computer keyboard or one of the
> mouse
> buttons.? The K3 Utility window "grayed out" and the K3 is stuck in MCU
> Load, no backlight, TX LED flashing.
> 
> Setup: Astron 50A PSU; K3 # 2768 with new KIO3B board; direct USB
> connection
> to Lenovo Thinkpad running WIN7 Home Premium; K3 Util v 1.16.7.25.?
> Computer
> and K3 Utility both recognize the COM port; latest FTDI drivers installed.
> 
> Yes, I know there is supposed to be a cure for this, but it didn't work.?
> I
> tried:
> 
> 1. Restarting both the computer and the K3 a few times.
> 2. Remove & reconnect power supply from K3, hold POWER button to force it
> into bootloader mode. (which it is already in)
> 3. Factory reset (power on while holding SHIFT/LO button). Never got the
> EE
> INIT message.
> 4. Uninstall and re-install K3 Utility and try 1-3 again.
> 5. Uninstall and re-install front panel assembly; try 1-3 again.
> 
> K3 Utility is still trying to connect and the TX LED is still flashing.?
> Any
> ideas before I call tech support on Monday?? Thanks.
> 
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> 73,
> Mike Cizek W?VTT
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