From jackbrindle at me.com Thu Mar 1 00:04:23 2018 From: jackbrindle at me.com (Jack Brindle) Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2018 21:04:23 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Advice needed: Remote Station Enhancement In-Reply-To: <88bf2dd7-2584-f0cc-ae65-d2c57c86169c@subich.com> References: <0A3C6D8D-F355-4C76-B6CF-0470305FCA03@gmail.com> <0MFMIO-1evdeb0Rme-00EJAf@mail.gmx.com> <04e93767-9935-61bf-7df2-cafab21489c2@embarqmail.com> <1519764537832-0.post@n2.nabble.com> <1cabefb4-a6b2-a97e-40de-c39f58b293d2@embarqmail.com> <85a917a0-92e9-cadc-fa08-36e837521dcb@subich.com> <6ce3f8dd-a5e7-d6ec-5906-765668169f50@subich.com> <79d6adf4-293b-d42f-fd3a-75edb7af28bc@embarqmail.com> <947B3BEA-2E3B-4A70-BBDE-1D4D4459056B@me.com> <88bf2dd7-2584-f0cc-ae65-d2c57c86169c@subich.com> Message-ID: <07C6D4FB-8A57-4540-B7A9-4352AC8F79E5@me.com> With todays microelectronics, false powering can occur with little current, perhaps a milliamp or less, definitely less than that required to drive the LED of an optoisolator. Voltage levels required are quite low, depending on the design. As low as 2 volts can do the trick, and at that level the required current is even lower. The power sourced by the Yaesu design will easily cause the problem. At the voltage levels being discussed, even with protective zener diodes, the result will most likely be destructive. Here in Silicon Valley there are many equipment designers that are very familiar with the issue. A good look at the ATCA backplane specification used in the telco high-availability world will show my take on handling the issue. As a hint, I called for I2C open-drain drive with protective diodes on the receivers and pull-ups behind the diodes, all specified for optimum bus performance. In those systems there is no possibility for current to be driven into devices on communicating blades. This is really a Ford vs Chevy (Mac vs PC, etc) argument. There are several methods for providing band and frequency information, pretty much as many as there are transceiver manufacturers. Within their ecosystem, each works very well. The problems occur when crossing ecosystems. Just as Icom serial and Icon analog don?t directly connect, neither do others, including logic BCD and Yaesu BCD. All need some sort of proper interface. Forcing one to directly connect to another is risky at best. One is lucky (for a while) if they do work. Providing proper interface circuitry is a requirement of anyone trying to bridge two systems. There are many successful designs, and some that are not successful. The latter tend not to last very long. If you have a Yaesu radio, by all means use the Yaesu ecosystem. I am sure the devices work very well. The same is true of Icom, Kenwood and other ecosystems. In my case I have Elecraft gear, and use directly compatible electronics, whether it comes from the company, other manufacturers, or my own designs. Jack, W6FB > On Feb 28, 2018, at 7:23 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: > > > On 2/28/2018 8:19 PM, Jack Brindle wrote: >> It makes me wonder if perhaps the old Yaesu method should be retired > > and no longer used. > > If you're willing to purchase/replace all the pre-1990 Yaesu > transceivers still in use . > >> Either they get frustrated because the connection doesn?t work and no >> harm is done otherwise, or they get really frustrated because the >> 12V driver blows up their device. > > If the device is designed to be +12V tolerant (input current limiting > and properly selected "pull down") there is no damage. The input > current limiting and pull down also keeps any voltage on the inputs > low enough to prevent "false powering." For that matter, the BCD > signals are DC and the third party device could use shunt zener diodes > on the signal lines to limit the input voltage to and prevent false > powering. It's only when the third party device makes assumptions > without understanding the history of the Yaesu "Band Data" (or "Linear") > interface that one has an issue. > > 73, > > ... Joe, W4TV > > > On 2/28/2018 8:19 PM, Jack Brindle wrote: >> There is a big problem with this, one that was unusual when Yaesu first created this setup, but very common now. The issue is that of false powering of receiving devices. In this day of low power micro controllers and other digital devices, the device can actually be powered through the I/O port when the device is supposed to be off. The I/O current flows into the input pin, through the protective diode and onto the Vcc rail, bypassing the main VCC pin. This means the device may be partially functional, and not under proper control. It can lead quickly to the destruction of the device. >> This is the big reason for modern-day communications techniques between devices, and why protective measures must be taken to avoid false powering other devices. Yes, devices connected to BCD band data _can_ be false powered. We do see it. It makes me wonder if perhaps the old Yaesu method should be retired and no longer used. I certainly won?t be buying any of those devices. >> There is no reason that BCD data should not be carried at logic levels between devices if these measures have been taken. There appears to be two separate ?standards? at this point, the Yaesu 12V system, and the 5 volt TTL logic level system. Devices that play in each should be clearly marked so the buyer can beware. Unfortunately many are not. This does provide an opportunity for the creation of interfaces which translate between the two methods, providing protection to both the transceiver and the device being driven. The problem comes from hams who don?t realize the issue and try to connect the two. Either they get frustrated because the connection doesn?t work and no harm is done otherwise, or they get really frustrated because the 12V driver blows up their device. >> Luckily we don?t see the latter happen that much. But arguing that the ?old ways? are somehow better, when we know otherwise, doesn?t do very much good. >> In the Elecraft case, the drive and receivers are 5-volt TTL logic levels. As long as anything they attach do use those same levels everything works just fine. >> - Jack, W6FB >>> On Feb 28, 2018, at 11:33 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: >>> >>> >>> On 2/28/2018 12:42 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: >>>> So are you advocating that all manufacturers of ham gear should adopt the Yaesu implementation as a "standard"? Icom, Kenwood, Flex and Elecraft may have other thoughts. >>> >>> Yes, if another transceiver manufacturer chooses to emulate Yaesu's >>> protocol (BCD based "band data" with 160M = 1, 80M = 2, 40M = 3, >>> 30M = 4, 20M = 5, 17M = 6, 15M = 7, 12M = 8, 10M = 9 and 6M = 10), >>> they should also emulate the signal levels. >>> >>> Icom and Kenwood have spoken, Icom used its own proprietary "Stepped >>> Voltage" for the IC2KL/IC4KL and certain antenna tuners (which Elecraft >>> supports in the KPA500 and KPA1500), while Kenwood have never provided >>> any "band Data" outputs. >>> >>> I don't know/care what Flex are doing in their current "radios" - their >>> older products could be made to properly emulate the Yaesu Standard by >>> running a third party software application that drove an LPT port in >>> the computer that did the majority of the Flex's "work" - that LPT >>> sourced sufficient voltage/current (in "full power" ports) to be >>> compatible with the Yaesu implementation. >>> >>> 73, >>> >>> ... Joe, W4TV >>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to jackbrindle at me.com From rv6amark at yahoo.com Thu Mar 1 00:07:32 2018 From: rv6amark at yahoo.com (Mark Petiford) Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2018 05:07:32 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] Best Batteries for KX-3? In-Reply-To: <1064274076.8189673.1519874511563@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1064274076.8189673.1519874511563.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1064274076.8189673.1519874511563@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1218762760.7581092.1519880852191@mail.yahoo.com> First, and most important, don't leave alkaline cells in your radio for long periods.? They will eventually leak.? If you have the KXBC3 installed, I suggest high quality Low Self Discharge (LSD) NiMh cells such as Eneloops,? If you don't have the KXBC3 installed, non-rechargeable Lithium cells would be a good choice, although those are pretty pricey where I live.? I could quickly justify the cost of a KXBC3 based on the price of non-rechargeable Lithium cells. The Eneloop LSD Rechargeable cells have a great track record.? I've had my Eneloop 2000 cells since February 2013 with no problems.? I think I am finally just starting to detect signs of reduced capacity, so maybe it is time to upgrade them to the newer, higher capacity Eneloops. I have tried non-LSD NiMH cells from time to time, but they really don't work very well.? They quickly self-discharge to below 1 volt per cell, damaging themselves in the process.? Don't waste you money on them.? Cells that are shipped fully charged are usually LSD. On Wednesday, February 28, 2018, 7:27:18 PM PST, Dennis W0JX via Elecraft wrote: I have just put my KX-3 into portable service trying to locate noise sources around my property and neighborhood. I put eight brand new Duracell alkaline cells...? I am surprised with how fast the battery voltage is dropping as indicated by the KX-3 display. What batteries would be better to use for this application where I might be out for as long as two hours looking for noise sources? From scott.small at gmail.com Thu Mar 1 00:20:02 2018 From: scott.small at gmail.com (Tox) Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2018 21:20:02 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Best Batteries for KX-3? In-Reply-To: <1218762760.7581092.1519880852191@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1064274076.8189673.1519874511563.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1064274076.8189673.1519874511563@mail.yahoo.com> <1218762760.7581092.1519880852191@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Another caution to not leave alkalines installed. I used to swear by Duracell, but they changed around the time Gillette bought them. In spite of the "10 year no leak" marketing, I've stopped buying alkalines entirely due to newer Duracells destroying a thousand dollars worth of gear. Makes the lithiums look a lot cheaper. I've got the Amazon branded hi capacity lsd nimhs in my kx3, no problems with them. On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 9:07 PM, Mark Petiford via Elecraft < elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote: > First, and most important, don't leave alkaline cells in your radio for > long periods. They will eventually leak. If you have the KXBC3 installed, > I suggest high quality Low Self Discharge (LSD) NiMh cells such as > Eneloops, If you don't have the KXBC3 installed, non-rechargeable Lithium > cells would be a good choice, although those are pretty pricey where I > live. I could quickly justify the cost of a KXBC3 based on the price of > non-rechargeable Lithium cells. > > The Eneloop LSD Rechargeable cells have a great track record. I've had my > Eneloop 2000 cells since February 2013 with no problems. I think I am > finally just starting to detect signs of reduced capacity, so maybe it is > time to upgrade them to the newer, higher capacity Eneloops. > > I have tried non-LSD NiMH cells from time to time, but they really don't > work very well. They quickly self-discharge to below 1 volt per cell, > damaging themselves in the process. Don't waste you money on them. Cells > that are shipped fully charged are usually LSD. > > On Wednesday, February 28, 2018, 7:27:18 PM PST, Dennis W0JX via Elecraft > wrote: > > I have just put my KX-3 into portable service trying to locate noise > sources around my property and neighborhood. I put eight brand new Duracell > alkaline cells... I am surprised with how fast the battery voltage is > dropping as indicated by the KX-3 display. What batteries would be better > to use for this application where I might be out for as long as two hours > looking for noise sources? > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to scott.small at gmail.com > -- Scott Small From KX3.1 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com Thu Mar 1 00:32:30 2018 From: KX3.1 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com (Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT) Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2018 21:32:30 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Best Batteries for KX-3? In-Reply-To: References: <1064274076.8189673.1519874511563.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1064274076.8189673.1519874511563@mail.yahoo.com> <1218762760.7581092.1519880852191@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5fb17a70-c466-4a2f-c767-6b0ff267c2f5@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> Note that "low self-discharge" or "precharged" batteries are a must. You can get higher capacity batteries, but they'll always be dead when you reach for the rig. 73 -- Lynn On 2/28/2018 9:20 PM, Tox wrote: > I've got the Amazon branded hi capacity lsd nimhs in my kx3, no problems > with them. From andre.bourbon at on7yk.eu Thu Mar 1 03:51:08 2018 From: andre.bourbon at on7yk.eu (Andre Bourbon) Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2018 09:51:08 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 ACC1 to PC and expert 1.3K-fa ? Message-ID: <000001d3b13a$714b82f0$53e288d0$@bourbon@on7yk.eu> My setup is : KX3 --- PC ----Expert Ampli 1K-fa or 1.3k-fa Using the ACC1 port : Kx3 Connect to my pc with KXUSB cable and DX-lab logging prg --------- band changing is ok KX3 connect with my Expert ampli DB15 ( txd,rxd,gnd ) ( flex radio cat settings ) -band changing is ok I will do it now together : I put 1 cable wired on parallel : txd, rxd, gnd 1 cable goes from the KX3 to the expert ampli 1 cable goes from the KX3 via KX3USB to the pc ----band changing totally NOT working any more . Its look like there is a conflict or the voltage from the kx3 is to low to change the band info to the pc and on the same time to the cat port (Expert ampli.) Any advice, or solution ??? Andr? ON7YK --- Deze e-mail is gecontroleerd op virussen door AVG. http://www.avg.com From graziano at roccon.com Thu Mar 1 05:08:20 2018 From: graziano at roccon.com (Graziano Roccon IW2NOY) Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2018 11:08:20 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 ACC1 to PC and expert 1.3K-fa ? In-Reply-To: <000001d3b13a$714b82f0$53e288d0$@bourbon@on7yk.eu> References: <000001d3b13a$714b82f0$53e288d0$@bourbon@on7yk.eu> Message-ID: <62146e68-c737-409f-ada5-1db039723626@roccon.com> Hi, Serial communications is thinked for two buddies with crossed tx and rx., not for three. You have too many tx on the same cable. Remove the tx from the db15 of expert you don't need it. For the expert is enough READ (rx) the frequency that set the CAT coming from the PC (TX). Remove the tx from the expert db 15 and try again. I have similar setup but with k3s instead of kx3. There are cable schemas on my site, if you want give a look. Good luck, 73 de IW2NOY http://www.iw2noy.it/index.php?id=87 ?Inviato da BlueMail ? Il giorno 1 mar 2018 09:53, alle ore 09:53, Andre Bourbon ha scritto: >My setup is : KX3 --- PC ----Expert Ampli 1K-fa or 1.3k-fa > > > >Using the ACC1 port : > > > >Kx3 Connect to my pc with KXUSB cable and DX-lab logging prg --------- >band >changing is ok > >KX3 connect with my Expert ampli DB15 ( txd,rxd,gnd ) ( flex radio cat >settings ) -band changing is ok > > > >I will do it now together : > >I put 1 cable wired on parallel : txd, rxd, gnd > > 1 cable goes from the KX3 to the expert ampli > > 1 cable goes from the KX3 via KX3USB to the pc > > > >----band changing totally NOT working any more . > >Its look like there is a conflict or the voltage from the kx3 is to low >to >change the band info to the pc and on the same time to the cat port >(Expert >ampli.) > >Any advice, or solution ??? > >Andr? ON7YK > > > > > > > > > > > >--- >Deze e-mail is gecontroleerd op virussen door AVG. >http://www.avg.com >______________________________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >Message delivered to graziano at roccon.com From andre.bourbon at on7yk.eu Thu Mar 1 05:58:05 2018 From: andre.bourbon at on7yk.eu (Andre Bourbon) Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2018 11:58:05 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 ACC1 to PC and expert 1.3K-fa ? In-Reply-To: <62146e68-c737-409f-ada5-1db039723626@roccon.com> References: <000001d3b13a$714b82f0$53e288d0$@bourbon@on7yk.eu> <62146e68-c737-409f-ada5-1db039723626@roccon.com> Message-ID: <000601d3b14c$2cd761e0$868625a0$@bourbon@on7yk.eu> Hi, Tnx I have already test this configuration like you propose. Removed the TX (pin9) on the DB15 only pin 1(rx) and 4 (gnd) But the expert need as cat config Flex radio when he is on the KX3 , tx and Rx must be connected . KX3 is not like K3 73? Andr? on7yk From: Graziano Roccon [mailto:graziano.roccon at gmail.com] On Behalf Of Graziano Roccon IW2NOY Sent: donderdag 1 maart 2018 11:08 To: Andre Bourbon Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 ACC1 to PC and expert 1.3K-fa ? Hi, Serial communications is thinked for two buddies with crossed tx and rx., not for three. You have too many tx on the same cable. Remove the tx from the db15 of expert you don't need it. For the expert is enough READ (rx) the frequency that set the CAT coming from the PC (TX). Remove the tx from the expert db 15 and try again. I have similar setup but with k3s instead of kx3. There are cable schemas on my site, if you want give a look. Good luck, 73 de IW2NOY http://www.iw2noy.it/index.php?id=87 Inviato da BlueMail Il giorno 1 mar 2018, alle ore 09:53, Andre Bourbon ha scritto: My setup is : KX3 --- PC ----Expert Ampli 1K-fa or 1.3k-fa Using the ACC1 port : Kx3 Connect to my pc with KXUSB cable and DX-lab logging prg --------- band changing is ok KX3 connect with my Expert ampli DB15 ( txd,rxd,gnd ) ( flex radio cat settings ) -band changing is ok I will do it now together : I put 1 cable wired on parallel : txd, rxd, gnd 1 cable goes from the KX3 to the expert ampli 1 cable goes from the KX3 via KX3USB to the pc ----band changing totally NOT working any more . Its look like there is a conflict or the voltage from the kx3 is to low to change the band info to the pc and on the same time to the cat port (Expert ampli.) Any advice, or solution ??? Andr? ON7YK --- Deze e-mail is gecontroleerd op virussen door AVG. http://www.avg.com _____ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to graziano at roccon.com From ve2fww at globetrotter.net Thu Mar 1 08:05:09 2018 From: ve2fww at globetrotter.net (NOEL POULIN) Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2018 08:05:09 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] power supply for KX-3? Message-ID: <3f691917-2f9e-ce14-e056-11ad9615663d@globetrotter.net> Hello, I would like to know what power supply to use with the KX3?? I will be using the kx3 at home only.What about a switching? power supply? or a standard one?? I am not familiar with the kx3, so your comments would be appreciated. Thanks Noel From dpbunte at gmail.com Thu Mar 1 08:16:21 2018 From: dpbunte at gmail.com (David Bunte) Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2018 08:16:21 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] power supply for KX-3? In-Reply-To: <3f691917-2f9e-ce14-e056-11ad9615663d@globetrotter.net> References: <3f691917-2f9e-ce14-e056-11ad9615663d@globetrotter.net> Message-ID: Noel - I do not have a KX3, but a good buddy does and he uses this supply: https://proaudioeng.com/products/pae-kx33-low-rfi-ac-power-supply/ He has been VERY happy with it, and has never noticed any issues like those that sometimes occur with switching supplies. If you are sure you won't be hauling it around a bunch, then any good clean supply will suffice. Personally, I would look for a linear supply that had sufficient capability that if I was going to add the PX3 and KXPA100, I would not then have to look for another supply. I did use a friend's KX3 for several weeks when on vacation a couple of years ago and it sure is a fine radio. Best of luck. Dave - K9FN On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 8:05 AM, NOEL POULIN wrote: > Hello, > I would like to know what power supply to use with the KX3?? > I will be using the kx3 at home only.What about a switching power supply? > or a standard one?? > I am not familiar with the kx3, so your comments would be appreciated. > Thanks > Noel > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dpbunte at gmail.com From ve2fww at globetrotter.net Thu Mar 1 08:37:58 2018 From: ve2fww at globetrotter.net (NOEL POULIN) Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2018 08:37:58 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] power supply for kx-3 Message-ID: <2da2b1b1-7202-1900-1571-fa7ffc6f2c38@globetrotter.net> Thanks to Dave,K9FN, and Bill,KW4WZ for their infos...Very much appreciated. 73 Noel From pincon at erols.com Thu Mar 1 08:45:56 2018 From: pincon at erols.com (Charlie T) Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2018 08:45:56 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Best Batteries for KX-3? In-Reply-To: <1218762760.7581092.1519880852191@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1064274076.8189673.1519874511563.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1064274076.8189673.1519874511563@mail.yahoo.com> <1218762760.7581092.1519880852191@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <004301d3b163$a4c3f260$ee4bd720$@erols.com> Very good advice. Even these so called "10 year" batteries WILL leak and probably B4 the 10 years is up. 73, Charlie k3ICH -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Mark Petiford via Elecraft Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2018 12:08 AM To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Best Batteries for KX-3? First, and most important, don't leave alkaline cells in your radio for long periods. They will eventually leak. If you have the KXBC3 installed, I suggest high quality Low Self Discharge (LSD) NiMh cells such as Eneloops, If you don't have the KXBC3 installed, non-rechargeable Lithium cells would be a good choice, although those are pretty pricey where I live. I could quickly justify the cost of a KXBC3 based on the price of non-rechargeable Lithium cells. The Eneloop LSD Rechargeable cells have a great track record. I've had my Eneloop 2000 cells since February 2013 with no problems. I think I am finally just starting to detect signs of reduced capacity, so maybe it is time to upgrade them to the newer, higher capacity Eneloops. I have tried non-LSD NiMH cells from time to time, but they really don't work very well. They quickly self-discharge to below 1 volt per cell, damaging themselves in the process. Don't waste you money on them. Cells that are shipped fully charged are usually LSD. On Wednesday, February 28, 2018, 7:27:18 PM PST, Dennis W0JX via Elecraft wrote: I have just put my KX-3 into portable service trying to locate noise sources around my property and neighborhood. I put eight brand new Duracell alkaline cells... I am surprised with how fast the battery voltage is dropping as indicated by the KX-3 display. What batteries would be better to use for this application where I might be out for as long as two hours looking for noise sources? ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to pincon at erols.com From johnae5x at gmail.com Thu Mar 1 09:04:45 2018 From: johnae5x at gmail.com (John Harper) Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2018 08:04:45 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Best Batteries for KX-3? Message-ID: What you're describing is the discharge curve for any alkaline chemistry battery. Their voltage begins to decay immediately upon use. NiMH batteries have a much flatter curve over the life of a charge cycle. I recommend these or Eneloops. https://www.amazon.com/Powerex-MHRAA4-2700mAh-Rechargeable-Batteries/dp/B00A9KTPY8 73, John AE5X https://ae5x.blogspot.com >* I am surprised with how fast the battery voltage is dropping as indicated by the KX-3 display.* From donwilh at embarqmail.com Thu Mar 1 09:33:26 2018 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2018 09:33:26 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] power supply for KX-3? In-Reply-To: <3f691917-2f9e-ce14-e056-11ad9615663d@globetrotter.net> References: <3f691917-2f9e-ce14-e056-11ad9615663d@globetrotter.net> Message-ID: <4710a442-d386-2313-bd20-2c41d7be769b@embarqmail.com> Noel, The Kx33 is a great power supply for the KX3 in QRP use. If you plan to add the PX3, they have a "Y" cable to allow you to power both from the same supply. OTOH if you want to also add the KXPA100, the Powerworks SS30DV supply is excellent. It is resold by Elecraft for your shopping convenience. 73, Don W3FPR On 3/1/2018 8:05 AM, NOEL POULIN wrote: > Hello, > I would like to know what power supply to use with the KX3?? > I will be using the kx3 at home only.What about a switching? power > supply? or a standard one?? > I am not familiar with the kx3, so your comments would be appreciated. From n6kr at elecraft.com Thu Mar 1 12:31:31 2018 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2018 09:31:31 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft KX2 compared with the latest "Ultra Portable" (?) Message-ID: <8566779B-B461-40C7-A393-0006FFD7A999@elecraft.com> A number of customers considering the KX2 have asked us how it compares to the newly announced Yaesu FT-818. The latter is an updated ?817, with a bit higher power output. In terms of form factor, the ?818 is essentially unchanged from the ?817. So it?s worth asking again: just how ?ultra portable? can an HF radio be? Here?s how the KX2 stacks up: --- Half the size --- The KX2 occupies 24 cubic inches, vs. 52 cubic inches for the ?818. With dimensions about that of a medium-sized HT, the KX2 is truly pocket-sized. --- Half the weight --- At just 13 ounces, the KX2 weighs 60% less than the ?818. For hikers or backpackers, this means well over a pound of total weight saved. The light weight of the KX2 is also compatible with extended hand-held operation. --- Twice the power output --- The KX2 puts out up to 12 watts on 80-20 m and 10 watts on 17-10 m. This is roughly twice the FT-818?s max output (6 watts). The KX2 also includes highly effective speech compression (not included with the ?818). Taken together, these advantages translate to more QSOs, especially in difficult conditions. --- 50% more battery power --- The FT-818?s internal battery, at 18 watt-hours, has more capacity than the FT-817?s. But the KX2?s internal battery has still greater capacity -- 24 watt-hours. This extra 50% allows you to operate longer between recharges. --- One third the current drain --- Typical receive-mode current drain of the KX2 is 150 mA. The FT-818, at about 400 mA, is nearly three times higher. The KX2?s lower current, combined with the larger battery size, works out to over 4 times longer operating time RX-only, or 2 to 3 times longer for typical transceive operation. --- Built-in ATU --- The KX2 has a wide-range internal ATU option that allows multi-band use of ad-hoc field antennas, whips, etc. There?s no need to carry a separate antenna tuner, loading coils, or even coax: just attach a wire or collapsible whip directly to the radio, and let the ATU do the work. --- DSP --- Unlike the ?818 or ?817, the KX2 includes digital signal processing (32-bit I.F. DSP). This provides a wide range of features typically found only on desktop radios, including: adjustable noise reduction and noise blanking, auto-notch, variable filter bandwidth/shift, audio peaking filter for CW, full stereo receive, and RX/TX EQ. You can even listen on both VFO A and B frequencies at the same time (dual watch). --- Built-in data modes --- The KX2 offers built-in PSK31, PSK63, RTTY, and CW encode/decode, with text displayed on its alphanumeric LCD. CW and data-mode QSOs can even be logged internally, then sent to a PC when you return from a field outing. A computer can be connected to the KX2 via the supplied USB cable (for text display/keyboard) or via the headphone/mic jacks (for FT8 and other audio-based data modes). --- Built-in mic, keyer paddle, and tilt stand --- You can use either an external mic (MH4) or the KX2?s internal mic. The internal mic is positioned optimally for HT-style operation. In CW and DATA modes, you can use an external paddle, or directly attach our KXPD2, which weighs only one ounce and uses the rig itself as the base. For table-top use, the KX2 features a fold-out tilt-stand. This creates a 3-point mount that also works well on rough surfaces (ground, rocks, etc.). --- Large, easy-to-read display --- The KX2?s display is five times larger than the FT818?s, with separate VFO A and B fields, S/RF-meter and DSP passband graphic, icons showing operating state, and alphanumeric text capability. In addition, the KX2?s LCD is transflective; it is highly readable in direct sunlight. The backlight is highly efficient and can be turned off to further increase battery life. The KX2 starts at $769, factory assembled. For additional details, see: http://www.elecraft.com/KX2/kx2.htm A few notes on the KX3 ---------------------- The KX3 is a bit larger than the KX2, though still smaller/lighter than competing all-band portables. It includes the following additional features: 160 and 6 meters; 2 or 4 meter optional internal transverter; nearly twice as many direct controls; and RX I/Q outputs for use with our PX3 panadapter or computer sound cards. The KX3 is available factory assembled or as a no-soldering kit. KX3 details: http://www.elecraft.com/KX3/kx3.htm * * * If you have any additional questions about the KX2 or KX3, feel free to email me directly or contact Elecraft sales. 73, Wayne N6KR From n8hm at arrl.net Thu Mar 1 12:40:44 2018 From: n8hm at arrl.net (Paul Stoetzer) Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2018 12:40:44 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft KX2 compared with the latest "Ultra Portable" (?) In-Reply-To: <8566779B-B461-40C7-A393-0006FFD7A999@elecraft.com> References: <8566779B-B461-40C7-A393-0006FFD7A999@elecraft.com> Message-ID: Produce a KX4 with 2m, 70cm, and full-duplex capability and you'd consign the FT-81X line to the dustbin of history! 73, Paul, N8HM On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 12:31 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > A number of customers considering the KX2 have asked us how it compares to the newly announced Yaesu FT-818. The latter is an updated ?817, with a bit higher power output. > > In terms of form factor, the ?818 is essentially unchanged from the ?817. So it?s worth asking again: just how ?ultra portable? can an HF radio be? > > Here?s how the KX2 stacks up: > > > --- Half the size --- > > The KX2 occupies 24 cubic inches, vs. 52 cubic inches for the ?818. With dimensions about that of a medium-sized HT, the KX2 is truly pocket-sized. > > > --- Half the weight --- > > At just 13 ounces, the KX2 weighs 60% less than the ?818. For hikers or backpackers, this means well over a pound of total weight saved. The light weight of the KX2 is also compatible with extended hand-held operation. > > > --- Twice the power output --- > > The KX2 puts out up to 12 watts on 80-20 m and 10 watts on 17-10 m. This is roughly twice the FT-818?s max output (6 watts). The KX2 also includes highly effective speech compression (not included with the ?818). Taken together, these advantages translate to more QSOs, especially in difficult conditions. > > > --- 50% more battery power --- > > The FT-818?s internal battery, at 18 watt-hours, has more capacity than the FT-817?s. But the KX2?s internal battery has still greater capacity -- 24 watt-hours. This extra 50% allows you to operate longer between recharges. > > > --- One third the current drain --- > > Typical receive-mode current drain of the KX2 is 150 mA. The FT-818, at about 400 mA, is nearly three times higher. The KX2?s lower current, combined with the larger battery size, works out to over 4 times longer operating time RX-only, or 2 to 3 times longer for typical transceive operation. > > > --- Built-in ATU --- > > The KX2 has a wide-range internal ATU option that allows multi-band use of ad-hoc field antennas, whips, etc. There?s no need to carry a separate antenna tuner, loading coils, or even coax: just attach a wire or collapsible whip directly to the radio, and let the ATU do the work. > > > --- DSP --- > > Unlike the ?818 or ?817, the KX2 includes digital signal processing (32-bit I.F. DSP). This provides a wide range of features typically found only on desktop radios, including: adjustable noise reduction and noise blanking, auto-notch, variable filter bandwidth/shift, audio peaking filter for CW, full stereo receive, and RX/TX EQ. You can even listen on both VFO A and B frequencies at the same time (dual watch). > > > --- Built-in data modes --- > > The KX2 offers built-in PSK31, PSK63, RTTY, and CW encode/decode, with text displayed on its alphanumeric LCD. CW and data-mode QSOs can even be logged internally, then sent to a PC when you return from a field outing. A computer can be connected to the KX2 via the supplied USB cable (for text display/keyboard) or via the headphone/mic jacks (for FT8 and other audio-based data modes). > > > --- Built-in mic, keyer paddle, and tilt stand --- > > You can use either an external mic (MH4) or the KX2?s internal mic. The internal mic is positioned optimally for HT-style operation. In CW and DATA modes, you can use an external paddle, or directly attach our KXPD2, which weighs only one ounce and uses the rig itself as the base. For table-top use, the KX2 features a fold-out tilt-stand. This creates a 3-point mount that also works well on rough surfaces (ground, rocks, etc.). > > > --- Large, easy-to-read display --- > > The KX2?s display is five times larger than the FT818?s, with separate VFO A and B fields, S/RF-meter and DSP passband graphic, icons showing operating state, and alphanumeric text capability. In addition, the KX2?s LCD is transflective; it is highly readable in direct sunlight. The backlight is highly efficient and can be turned off to further increase battery life. > > > The KX2 starts at $769, factory assembled. For additional details, see: > > http://www.elecraft.com/KX2/kx2.htm > > > A few notes on the KX3 > ---------------------- > > The KX3 is a bit larger than the KX2, though still smaller/lighter than competing all-band portables. It includes the following additional features: 160 and 6 meters; 2 or 4 meter optional internal transverter; nearly twice as many direct controls; and RX I/Q outputs for use with our PX3 panadapter or computer sound cards. The KX3 is available factory assembled or as a no-soldering kit. > > KX3 details: > > http://www.elecraft.com/KX3/kx3.htm > > > * * * > > If you have any additional questions about the KX2 or KX3, feel free to email me directly or contact Elecraft sales. > > 73, > Wayne > N6KR > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n8hm at arrl.net From raysills3 at verizon.net Thu Mar 1 14:57:02 2018 From: raysills3 at verizon.net (Raymond Sills) Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2018 14:57:02 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft KX2 compared with the latest "Ultra Portable" (?) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <161e323b0d5-179d-1ccf2@webjas-vab180.srv.aolmail.net> Hi Paul: And... that's the argument that FT-817 owners have used for staying with the 817... the KX rigs do not have 2 M or 70cm capability and all modes, as well. Those owners live with the poor battery performance, etc., or buy aftermarket alternatives. By the time it all gets added up, it's expensive. But.... you do have that extra VHF/UHF capability, and that's worth it for them. 73 de Ray K2ULR KX3 #211 -----Original Message----- From: Paul Stoetzer To: Wayne Burdick Cc: Elecraft Reflector ; KX3 Sent: Thu, Mar 1, 2018 12:41 pm Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft KX2 compared with the latest "Ultra Portable" (?) Produce a KX4 with 2m, 70cm, and full-duplex capability and you'dconsign the FT-81X line to the dustbin of history!73,Paul, N8HM From stevesgt at effable.com Thu Mar 1 15:07:37 2018 From: stevesgt at effable.com (Steve Sergeant) Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2018 12:07:37 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Feature suggestion: Power setting in dBm Message-ID: <36395e31-cc9f-76a4-6011-5ae1fd86e9b8@effable.com> Here's a suggestion across the line, from the KX2 to the K3S: I'd like to have the option to display and set transmit power in dBm rather than linear watts. Conceptually, it makes more sense to me, and it's a more meaningful number relating to S-units on the received side. --... ...-- SteveSgt, KC6ZKT From z_kevino at hotmail.com Thu Mar 1 15:26:25 2018 From: z_kevino at hotmail.com (kevino z) Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2018 20:26:25 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft KX2 compared with the latest "Ultra Portable" (?) In-Reply-To: <8566779B-B461-40C7-A393-0006FFD7A999@elecraft.com> References: <8566779B-B461-40C7-A393-0006FFD7A999@elecraft.com> Message-ID: Wayne if you guys made an all mode UHF VHF full duplex radio for satellite ops, you?d made a lot of people happy and fill an area that folks are having to buy two 817?s to accomplish.... just my two cents -Kevin (KK4YEL) ----- The problem with the world is that the intelligent people are full of doubts, while the stupid ones are full of confidence. On Mar 1, 2018, at 12:33, Wayne Burdick > wrote: A number of customers considering the KX2 have asked us how it compares to the newly announced Yaesu FT-818. The latter is an updated ?817, with a bit higher power output. In terms of form factor, the ?818 is essentially unchanged from the ?817. So it?s worth asking again: just how ?ultra portable? can an HF radio be? Here?s how the KX2 stacks up: --- Half the size --- The KX2 occupies 24 cubic inches, vs. 52 cubic inches for the ?818. With dimensions about that of a medium-sized HT, the KX2 is truly pocket-sized. --- Half the weight --- At just 13 ounces, the KX2 weighs 60% less than the ?818. For hikers or backpackers, this means well over a pound of total weight saved. The light weight of the KX2 is also compatible with extended hand-held operation. --- Twice the power output --- The KX2 puts out up to 12 watts on 80-20 m and 10 watts on 17-10 m. This is roughly twice the FT-818?s max output (6 watts). The KX2 also includes highly effective speech compression (not included with the ?818). Taken together, these advantages translate to more QSOs, especially in difficult conditions. --- 50% more battery power --- The FT-818?s internal battery, at 18 watt-hours, has more capacity than the FT-817?s. But the KX2?s internal battery has still greater capacity -- 24 watt-hours. This extra 50% allows you to operate longer between recharges. --- One third the current drain --- Typical receive-mode current drain of the KX2 is 150 mA. The FT-818, at about 400 mA, is nearly three times higher. The KX2?s lower current, combined with the larger battery size, works out to over 4 times longer operating time RX-only, or 2 to 3 times longer for typical transceive operation. --- Built-in ATU --- The KX2 has a wide-range internal ATU option that allows multi-band use of ad-hoc field antennas, whips, etc. There?s no need to carry a separate antenna tuner, loading coils, or even coax: just attach a wire or collapsible whip directly to the radio, and let the ATU do the work. --- DSP --- Unlike the ?818 or ?817, the KX2 includes digital signal processing (32-bit I.F. DSP). This provides a wide range of features typically found only on desktop radios, including: adjustable noise reduction and noise blanking, auto-notch, variable filter bandwidth/shift, audio peaking filter for CW, full stereo receive, and RX/TX EQ. You can even listen on both VFO A and B frequencies at the same time (dual watch). --- Built-in data modes --- The KX2 offers built-in PSK31, PSK63, RTTY, and CW encode/decode, with text displayed on its alphanumeric LCD. CW and data-mode QSOs can even be logged internally, then sent to a PC when you return from a field outing. A computer can be connected to the KX2 via the supplied USB cable (for text display/keyboard) or via the headphone/mic jacks (for FT8 and other audio-based data modes). --- Built-in mic, keyer paddle, and tilt stand --- You can use either an external mic (MH4) or the KX2?s internal mic. The internal mic is positioned optimally for HT-style operation. In CW and DATA modes, you can use an external paddle, or directly attach our KXPD2, which weighs only one ounce and uses the rig itself as the base. For table-top use, the KX2 features a fold-out tilt-stand. This creates a 3-point mount that also works well on rough surfaces (ground, rocks, etc.). --- Large, easy-to-read display --- The KX2?s display is five times larger than the FT818?s, with separate VFO A and B fields, S/RF-meter and DSP passband graphic, icons showing operating state, and alphanumeric text capability. In addition, the KX2?s LCD is transflective; it is highly readable in direct sunlight. The backlight is highly efficient and can be turned off to further increase battery life. The KX2 starts at $769, factory assembled. For additional details, see: https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.elecraft.com%2FKX2%2Fkx2.htm&data=02%7C01%7C%7C61cfba06eb164da32df208d57f9a92b7%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636555224214991658&sdata=wBnqiZJVf8RPitRmkPdpGUvMMpv0iR23gZyN8ILsegA%3D&reserved=0 A few notes on the KX3 ---------------------- The KX3 is a bit larger than the KX2, though still smaller/lighter than competing all-band portables. It includes the following additional features: 160 and 6 meters; 2 or 4 meter optional internal transverter; nearly twice as many direct controls; and RX I/Q outputs for use with our PX3 panadapter or computer sound cards. The KX3 is available factory assembled or as a no-soldering kit. KX3 details: https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.elecraft.com%2FKX3%2Fkx3.htm&data=02%7C01%7C%7C61cfba06eb164da32df208d57f9a92b7%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636555224214991658&sdata=E0oYqgfUq4Nut3dGJTnYa%2FkEgGBynkyHLURdvLbxRIo%3D&reserved=0 * * * If you have any additional questions about the KX2 or KX3, feel free to email me directly or contact Elecraft sales. 73, Wayne N6KR ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fmailman.qth.net%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Felecraft&data=02%7C01%7C%7C61cfba06eb164da32df208d57f9a92b7%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636555224214991658&sdata=jdc%2BpMgRLETIH5tnnoZD03AhpxeAS3ZAXq5D8vKU0Xs%3D&reserved=0 Help: https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fmailman.qth.net%2Fmmfaq.htm&data=02%7C01%7C%7C61cfba06eb164da32df208d57f9a92b7%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636555224214991658&sdata=YriB%2BsNxMQEnfMujuNGFTdvKFCh6Oi8gc41iYaZpnYA%3D&reserved=0 Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.qsl.net&data=02%7C01%7C%7C61cfba06eb164da32df208d57f9a92b7%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636555224214991658&sdata=PGxA7cJnIZy9Kdsxu%2Fj96Pbh%2FkNruyB7jXIhSugMrY4%3D&reserved=0 Please help support this email list: https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.qsl.net%2Fdonate.html&data=02%7C01%7C%7C61cfba06eb164da32df208d57f9a92b7%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636555224214991658&sdata=ZYegk0vV4JyTLpqmW2RiWsvHgaX56khzzLhkzMaH2yg%3D&reserved=0 Message delivered to z_kevino at hotmail.com From mike.ab3ap at gmail.com Thu Mar 1 15:32:34 2018 From: mike.ab3ap at gmail.com (Mike Markowski) Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2018 15:32:34 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Feature suggestion: Power setting in dBm In-Reply-To: <36395e31-cc9f-76a4-6011-5ae1fd86e9b8@effable.com> References: <36395e31-cc9f-76a4-6011-5ae1fd86e9b8@effable.com> Message-ID: It also eases estimating power out after gains and losses due to antenna, coax, etc. I can handle addition and subtraction. :-) I added readings in dBm to my now out of date W1 & W2 software faces http://udel.edu/~mm/ham/elecraft/w1/ (I really should take the time to convert them to python...) 73, Mike ab3ap On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 3:07 PM, Steve Sergeant wrote: > Here's a suggestion across the line, from the KX2 to the K3S: > > I'd like to have the option to display and set transmit power in dBm > rather than linear watts. Conceptually, it makes more sense to me, and > it's a more meaningful number relating to S-units on the received side. > > --... ...-- > SteveSgt, KC6ZKT > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to mike.ab3ap at gmail.com > From alorona at sbcglobal.net Thu Mar 1 15:34:47 2018 From: alorona at sbcglobal.net (Al Lorona) Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2018 20:34:47 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft KX2 compared with the latest "Ultra Portable" (?) In-Reply-To: <8566779B-B461-40C7-A393-0006FFD7A999@elecraft.com> References: <8566779B-B461-40C7-A393-0006FFD7A999@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <1069052560.7070350.1519936487958@mail.yahoo.com> Poor Wayne. No matter how he positions an Elecraft product, a prevailing response is, "Yeah, but Elecraft doesn't do A or B." As consumers, we have been perfectly conditioned to regard more as better. I mean, if Brand X has 'more' than Brand Y, we automatically declare Brand X the winner. Brand X covers more bands? It's better. Brand X has more ADC bits? It *must* be better! There's something to be said about *doing* something better, as opposed to simply *having* more, isn't there? Wayne touched on this when he pointed out the huge discrepancy in current drain between the two rigs. As you know, this is hugely important for any portable or solar-powered situation. It is a major reason why, just for instance, I could not for a moment consider the new Icom 7610 because of it's 3x current drain versus the K3. My station is solar-powered and I have to worry about this. So that's a primary consideration for me, regardless of how much 'more' the 7610 may have. Simply having more isn't necessarily better. I know that's counterintuitive, but only because of our consumer conditioning. Al W6LX From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Thu Mar 1 16:09:09 2018 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2018 13:09:09 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft KX2 compared with the latest "Ultra Portable" (?) In-Reply-To: <1069052560.7070350.1519936487958@mail.yahoo.com> References: <8566779B-B461-40C7-A393-0006FFD7A999@elecraft.com> <1069052560.7070350.1519936487958@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <08d4f0c5-2110-2a47-79ed-9d06ac7206ff@audiosystemsgroup.com> On 3/1/2018 12:34 PM, Al Lorona wrote: > Simply having more isn't necessarily better. Agreed for all the reasons you cited, Al. Good VHF/UHF FM rigs are pretty inexpensive, whether in mobile or talkie format. When I lived in "flatland" (Chicago) and traveled occasionally to other cities for business or pleasure, I was plenty happy with a Kenwood TH-F6A and a low power talkie amp. Here in NorCal, with mountain ridges separating communities, I have a Kenwood VHF/UHF rig in my SUV. And on the rare occasions I want to work small signal 2M, I fire up a vintage Elecraft transverter (rarely because I live on the wrong side of the ridge). 73, Jim K9YC From donwilh at embarqmail.com Thu Mar 1 16:13:24 2018 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2018 16:13:24 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft KX2 compared with the latest "Ultra Portable" (?) In-Reply-To: <1069052560.7070350.1519936487958@mail.yahoo.com> References: <8566779B-B461-40C7-A393-0006FFD7A999@elecraft.com> <1069052560.7070350.1519936487958@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <9ec4fb7d-b98a-4a0b-dd4b-7fea9eb377df@embarqmail.com> Al, I am with you - I have more buttons and features on my new car than I ever want to learn to use. In addition, it does "funny things" that I do not want and cannot shut off - like when I go out the driveway and open the door (not getting out of the driver seat) to reach out and pick up the newspaper, it puts on the parking brake. That is NOT good if I then have to move the car forward or back a bit to reach the paper. Coming home, if I step out of the car (in Park and still running) to open the mailbox and collect the mail, it sometimes turns itself off, and I have to restart it. This car was obviously not designed for those who live in rural areas with very long driveways. I know, not a ham radio related response - please forgive me! 73, Don W3FPR On 3/1/2018 3:34 PM, Al Lorona wrote: > > Simply having more isn't necessarily better. I know that's counterintuitive, but only because of our consumer conditioning. > From n8hm at arrl.net Thu Mar 1 16:14:46 2018 From: n8hm at arrl.net (Paul Stoetzer) Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2018 16:14:46 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft KX2 compared with the latest "Ultra Portable" (?) In-Reply-To: <08d4f0c5-2110-2a47-79ed-9d06ac7206ff@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <8566779B-B461-40C7-A393-0006FFD7A999@elecraft.com> <1069052560.7070350.1519936487958@mail.yahoo.com> <08d4f0c5-2110-2a47-79ed-9d06ac7206ff@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: VHF/UHF SSB rigs are not. Yaesu has the only "ultra portable" radio with 2m and 70cm SSB/CW/AM. I would absolutely love a KX2/KX3 style full-duplex VHF/UHF radio. 73, Paul, N8HM On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 4:09 PM, Jim Brown wrote: > On 3/1/2018 12:34 PM, Al Lorona wrote: >> >> Simply having more isn't necessarily better. > > > Agreed for all the reasons you cited, Al. Good VHF/UHF FM rigs are pretty > inexpensive, whether in mobile or talkie format. When I lived in "flatland" > (Chicago) and traveled occasionally to other cities for business or > pleasure, I was plenty happy with a Kenwood TH-F6A and a low power talkie > amp. Here in NorCal, with mountain ridges separating communities, I have a > Kenwood VHF/UHF rig in my SUV. And on the rare occasions I want to work > small signal 2M, I fire up a vintage Elecraft transverter (rarely because I > live on the wrong side of the ridge). > > 73, Jim K9YC > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n8hm at arrl.net From dl1sdz at gmail.com Thu Mar 1 16:22:51 2018 From: dl1sdz at gmail.com (Hajo Dezelski) Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2018 22:22:51 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft KX2 compared with the latest "Ultra Portable" (?) In-Reply-To: <9ec4fb7d-b98a-4a0b-dd4b-7fea9eb377df@embarqmail.com> References: <8566779B-B461-40C7-A393-0006FFD7A999@elecraft.com> <1069052560.7070350.1519936487958@mail.yahoo.com> <9ec4fb7d-b98a-4a0b-dd4b-7fea9eb377df@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: Don, you made my day. You described the downside of driving a motorized calculator. 73 de Hajo dl1sdz Gruss Hajo --- Cela est bien dit, mais il faut cultiver notre jardin. http://hajos-kontrapunkte.blogspot.de/ On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 10:13 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > Al, > > I am with you - I have more buttons and features on my new car than I ever > want to learn to use. > In addition, it does "funny things" that I do not want and cannot shut off - > like when I go out the driveway and open the door (not getting out of the > driver seat) to reach out and pick up the newspaper, it puts on the parking > brake. That is NOT good if I then have to move the car forward or back a > bit to reach the paper. > > Coming home, if I step out of the car (in Park and still running) to open > the mailbox and collect the mail, it sometimes turns itself off, and I have > to restart it. > > This car was obviously not designed for those who live in rural areas with > very long driveways. > > I know, not a ham radio related response - please forgive me! > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 3/1/2018 3:34 PM, Al Lorona wrote: > >> >> Simply having more isn't necessarily better. I know that's >> counterintuitive, but only because of our consumer conditioning. >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dl1sdz at gmail.com From no9e at arrl.net Thu Mar 1 16:27:12 2018 From: no9e at arrl.net (Ignacy) Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2018 14:27:12 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Best Batteries for KX-3? In-Reply-To: <004301d3b163$a4c3f260$ee4bd720$@erols.com> References: <1064274076.8189673.1519874511563@mail.yahoo.com> <1218762760.7581092.1519880852191@mail.yahoo.com> <004301d3b163$a4c3f260$ee4bd720$@erols.com> Message-ID: <1519939632618-0.post@n2.nabble.com> If cost is not but weight is an issue, lithium AA work well. I expect that you get at least 10 hrs receive. They do not leak. I used KX3 to locate noise with small loops, with limited success due to poor dieirectivity. If your noise sources are on 80m, the new RDF from RigExpert works very well. Ignacy, NO9E -- Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ From wunder at wunderwood.org Thu Mar 1 16:42:04 2018 From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood) Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2018 13:42:04 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Best Batteries for KX-3? In-Reply-To: <1519939632618-0.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1064274076.8189673.1519874511563@mail.yahoo.com> <1218762760.7581092.1519880852191@mail.yahoo.com> <004301d3b163$a4c3f260$ee4bd720$@erols.com> <1519939632618-0.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: Non-rechargeable AA batteries aren?t that expensive. $12 for an 8-pack. With 3000 mAh, they should last a long time on receive, up to 20 hours. https://smile.amazon.com/Energizer-Ultimate-Lithium-Batteries-L91SBP-8/dp/B00EAKP8S0/ wunder K6WRU Walter Underwood CM87wj http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) > On Mar 1, 2018, at 1:27 PM, Ignacy wrote: > > If cost is not but weight is an issue, lithium AA work well. I expect that > you get at least 10 hrs receive. They do not leak. > I used KX3 to locate noise with small loops, with limited success due to > poor dieirectivity. If your noise sources are on 80m, the new RDF from > RigExpert works very well. > Ignacy, NO9E > > -- > Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wunder at wunderwood.org From Gunfighter26 at yahoo.com Thu Mar 1 17:20:16 2018 From: Gunfighter26 at yahoo.com (Brad J. Butler) Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2018 14:20:16 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] Re: Elecraft KX2 compared with the latest "Ultra Portable" (?) In-Reply-To: References: <8566779B-B461-40C7-A393-0006FFD7A999@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <014f01d3b1ab$7bb43d10$731cb730$@yahoo.com> I?ll second/third/fourth/etc. the thoughts on a KXn that favors linear satellite operations! I?d grab one in a heartbeat! Plus, three of a kind beats a pair, so I?d have a much better Elecraft poker hand. -Brad Butler W6BJB From: KX3 at yahoogroups.com [mailto:KX3 at yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of kevino z z_kevino at hotmail.com [KX3] Sent: Thursday, March 1, 2018 12:26 PM To: Wayne Burdick Cc: Elecraft Reflector ; KX3 at yahoogroups.com Subject: [KX3] Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft KX2 compared with the latest "Ultra Portable" (?) Wayne if you guys made an all mode UHF VHF full duplex radio for satellite ops, you?d made a lot of people happy and fill an area that folks are having to buy two 817?s to accomplish.... just my two cents -Kevin (KK4YEL) ----- The problem with the world is that the intelligent people are full of doubts, while the stupid ones are full of confidence. On Mar 1, 2018, at 12:33, Wayne Burdick > wrote: A number of customers considering the KX2 have asked us how it compares to the newly announced Yaesu FT-818. The latter is an updated ?817, with a bit higher power output. In terms of form factor, the ?818 is essentially unchanged from the ?817. So it?s worth asking again: just how ?ultra portable? can an HF radio be? Here?s how the KX2 stacks up: --- Half the size --- The KX2 occupies 24 cubic inches, vs. 52 cubic inches for the ?818. With dimensions about that of a medium-sized HT, the KX2 is truly pocket-sized. --- Half the weight --- At just 13 ounces, the KX2 weighs 60% less than the ?818. For hikers or backpackers, this means well over a pound of total weight saved. The light weight of the KX2 is also compatible with extended hand-held operation. --- Twice the power output --- The KX2 puts out up to 12 watts on 80-20 m and 10 watts on 17-10 m. This is roughly twice the FT-818?s max output (6 watts). The KX2 also includes highly effective speech compression (not included with the ?818). Taken together, these advantages translate to more QSOs, especially in difficult conditions. --- 50% more battery power --- The FT-818?s internal battery, at 18 watt-hours, has more capacity than the FT-817?s. But the KX2?s internal battery has still greater capacity -- 24 watt-hours. This extra 50% allows you to operate longer between recharges. --- One third the current drain --- Typical receive-mode current drain of the KX2 is 150 mA. The FT-818, at about 400 mA, is nearly three times higher. The KX2?s lower current, combined with the larger battery size, works out to over 4 times longer operating time RX-only, or 2 to 3 times longer for typical transceive operation. --- Built-in ATU --- The KX2 has a wide-range internal ATU option that allows multi-band use of ad-hoc field antennas, whips, etc. There?s no need to carry a separate antenna tuner, loading coils, or even coax: just attach a wire or collapsible whip directly to the radio, and let the ATU do the work. --- DSP --- Unlike the ?818 or ?817, the KX2 includes digital signal processing (32-bit I.F. DSP). This provides a wide range of features typically found only on desktop radios, including: adjustable noise reduction and noise blanking, auto-notch, variable filter bandwidth/shift, audio peaking filter for CW, full stereo receive, and RX/TX EQ. You can even listen on both VFO A and B frequencies at the same time (dual watch). --- Built-in data modes --- The KX2 offers built-in PSK31, PSK63, RTTY, and CW encode/decode, with text displayed on its alphanumeric LCD. CW and data-mode QSOs can even be logged internally, then sent to a PC when you return from a field outing. A computer can be connected to the KX2 via the supplied USB cable (for text display/keyboard) or via the headphone/mic jacks (for FT8 and other audio-based data modes). --- Built-in mic, keyer paddle, and tilt stand --- You can use either an external mic (MH4) or the KX2?s internal mic. The internal mic is positioned optimally for HT-style operation. In CW and DATA modes, you can use an external paddle, or directly attach our KXPD2, which weighs only one ounce and uses the rig itself as the base. For table-top use, the KX2 features a fold-out tilt-stand. This creates a 3-point mount that also works well on rough surfaces (ground, rocks, etc.). --- Large, easy-to-read display --- The KX2?s display is five times larger than the FT818?s, with separate VFO A and B fields, S/RF-meter and DSP passband graphic, icons showing operating state, and alphanumeric text capability. In addition, the KX2?s LCD is transflective; it is highly readable in direct sunlight. The backlight is highly efficient and can be turned off to further increase battery life. The KX2 starts at $769, factory assembled. For additional details, see: https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.elecraft.com%2FKX2%2Fkx2.htm &data=02%7C01%7C%7C61cfba06eb164da32df208d57f9a92b7%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636555224214991658&sdata=wBnqiZJVf8RPitRmkPdpGUvMMpv0iR23gZyN8ILsegA%3D&reserved=0 A few notes on the KX3 ---------------------- The KX3 is a bit larger than the KX2, though still smaller/lighter than competing all-band portables. It includes the following additional features: 160 and 6 meters; 2 or 4 meter optional internal transverter; nearly twice as many direct controls; and RX I/Q outputs for use with our PX3 panadapter or computer sound cards. The KX3 is available factory assembled or as a no-soldering kit. KX3 details: https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.elecraft.com%2FKX3%2Fkx3.htm &data=02%7C01%7C%7C61cfba06eb164da32df208d57f9a92b7%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636555224214991658&sdata=E0oYqgfUq4Nut3dGJTnYa%2FkEgGBynkyHLURdvLbxRIo%3D&reserved=0 * * * If you have any additional questions about the KX2 or KX3, feel free to email me directly or contact Elecraft sales. 73, Wayne N6KR ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fmailman.qth.net%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Felecraft &data=02%7C01%7C%7C61cfba06eb164da32df208d57f9a92b7%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636555224214991658&sdata=jdc%2BpMgRLETIH5tnnoZD03AhpxeAS3ZAXq5D8vKU0Xs%3D&reserved=0 Help: https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fmailman.qth.net%2Fmmfaq.htm &data=02%7C01%7C%7C61cfba06eb164da32df208d57f9a92b7%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636555224214991658&sdata=YriB%2BsNxMQEnfMujuNGFTdvKFCh6Oi8gc41iYaZpnYA%3D&reserved=0 Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.qsl.net &data=02%7C01%7C%7C61cfba06eb164da32df208d57f9a92b7%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636555224214991658&sdata=PGxA7cJnIZy9Kdsxu%2Fj96Pbh%2FkNruyB7jXIhSugMrY4%3D&reserved=0 Please help support this email list: https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.qsl.net%2Fdonate.html &data=02%7C01%7C%7C61cfba06eb164da32df208d57f9a92b7%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636555224214991658&sdata=ZYegk0vV4JyTLpqmW2RiWsvHgaX56khzzLhkzMaH2yg%3D&reserved=0 Message delivered to z_kevino at hotmail.com __._,_.___ _____ Posted by: kevino z > _____ Reply via web post ? Reply to sender ? Reply to group ? Start a New Topic ? Messages in this topic (6) _____ Have you tried the highest rated email app? With 4.5 stars in iTunes, the Yahoo Mail app is the highest rated email app on the market. What are you waiting for? Now you can access all your inboxes (Gmail, Outlook, AOL and more) in one place. Never delete an email again with 1000GB of free cloud storage. _____ Visit Your Group * New Members 9 ? Privacy ? Unsubscribe ? Terms of Use . __,_._,___ From wes_n7ws at triconet.org Thu Mar 1 17:37:51 2018 From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes Stewart) Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2018 15:37:51 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Feature suggestion: Power setting in dBm In-Reply-To: <36395e31-cc9f-76a4-6011-5ae1fd86e9b8@effable.com> References: <36395e31-cc9f-76a4-6011-5ae1fd86e9b8@effable.com> Message-ID: <0bbacabb-b6b6-58f7-fa5b-a4536bdaf8b4@triconet.org> I fail to see the need, but if I had one I would just do in my head. (and probably use dBW :-) Wes? N7WS On 3/1/2018 1:07 PM, Steve Sergeant wrote: > Here's a suggestion across the line, from the KX2 to the K3S: > > I'd like to have the option to display and set transmit power in dBm > rather than linear watts. Conceptually, it makes more sense to me, and > it's a more meaningful number relating to S-units on the received side. > > --... ...-- > SteveSgt, KC6ZKT > ______________________________________________________________ From hsherriff at reagan.com Thu Mar 1 18:02:47 2018 From: hsherriff at reagan.com (Harlan Sherriff) Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2018 18:02:47 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 commands Message-ID: <3BF1FE61-A75D-441C-96BB-F555688FBDC3@reagan.com> Is there a GET command for either the K3 or KAT500 that will show when the tuner has completed a tune? Harlan K4HES Sent from my iPhone From donwilh at embarqmail.com Thu Mar 1 18:16:05 2018 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2018 18:16:05 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 commands In-Reply-To: <3BF1FE61-A75D-441C-96BB-F555688FBDC3@reagan.com> References: <3BF1FE61-A75D-441C-96BB-F555688FBDC3@reagan.com> Message-ID: <45823741-b42a-4f0d-1c40-71c5f0b1da1c@embarqmail.com> Harlan, I don't believe that is available on a real time basis (which is what you apparently are seeking). Yes, the K3 knows when the KAT500 has stopped tuning, but it is not available as a GET command. 73, Don W3FPR On 3/1/2018 6:02 PM, Harlan Sherriff via Elecraft wrote: > Is there a GET command for either the K3 or KAT500 that will show when the tuner has completed a tune? > From dick at elecraft.com Thu Mar 1 18:26:57 2018 From: dick at elecraft.com (dick at elecraft.com) Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2018 15:26:57 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 commands In-Reply-To: <45823741-b42a-4f0d-1c40-71c5f0b1da1c@embarqmail.com> References: <3BF1FE61-A75D-441C-96BB-F555688FBDC3@reagan.com> <45823741-b42a-4f0d-1c40-71c5f0b1da1c@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <003d01d3b1b4$cb674a10$6235de30$@elecraft.com> TP, tune poll. 73 de Dick, K6KR -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Don Wilhelm Sent: Thursday, March 1, 2018 15:16 To: Harlan Sherriff ; Elecraft Email Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KAT500 commands Harlan, I don't believe that is available on a real time basis (which is what you apparently are seeking). Yes, the K3 knows when the KAT500 has stopped tuning, but it is not available as a GET command. 73, Don W3FPR On 3/1/2018 6:02 PM, Harlan Sherriff via Elecraft wrote: > Is there a GET command for either the K3 or KAT500 that will show when the tuner has completed a tune? > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to dick at elecraft.com From ka9p at aol.com Thu Mar 1 18:29:14 2018 From: ka9p at aol.com (Scott McDonald) Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2018 17:29:14 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft KX2 compared with the latest "Ultra Portable" (?) In-Reply-To: <1069052560.7070350.1519936487958@mail.yahoo.com> References: <8566779B-B461-40C7-A393-0006FFD7A999@elecraft.com> <1069052560.7070350.1519936487958@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1C2C10B9-F2F3-4B35-B5C0-E50D23F711CE@aol.com> But Al, it?s not a bad thing to want Wayne to do an Elecraft quality V/U capable KX2 or 3, its a compliment! Many of us that do linear portable satellite work lug a pair of 817s around that do a commendable job for 15 year old tech, but would be much better and lighter to have a couple KX2s that were V/U capable. And have a much better HF rig at the same time. I?ve made a few satellite contacts with the KX3 and 2 meter card for the uplink on FO29, and a Russian transverter in front of my KX2 on the 70 cm downlink, but all that accomplished was making me want an integrated Elecraft solution. Heck, I?d be happy with a little optional transverter box that clamped on the back of a KX2. Sadly, the market doesn?t seem to be there. Scott KA9P Sent from my iPad > On Mar 1, 2018, at 2:34 PM, Al Lorona wrote: > > Poor Wayne. No matter how he positions an Elecraft product, a prevailing response is, "Yeah, but Elecraft doesn't do A or B." > > As consumers, we have been perfectly conditioned to regard more as better. I mean, if Brand X has 'more' than Brand Y, we automatically declare Brand X the winner. Brand X covers more bands? It's better. Brand X has more ADC bits? It *must* be better! > > There's something to be said about *doing* something better, as opposed to simply *having* more, isn't there? Wayne touched on this when he pointed out the huge discrepancy in current drain between the two rigs. As you know, this is hugely important for any portable or solar-powered situation. It is a major reason why, just for instance, I could not for a moment consider the new Icom 7610 because of it's 3x current drain versus the K3. My station is solar-powered and I have to worry about this. So that's a primary consideration for me, regardless of how much 'more' the 7610 may have. > > Simply having more isn't necessarily better. I know that's counterintuitive, but only because of our consumer conditioning. > > Al W6LX > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to ka9p at aol.com From hsherriff at reagan.com Thu Mar 1 18:30:51 2018 From: hsherriff at reagan.com (Harlan Sherriff) Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2018 18:30:51 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 commands In-Reply-To: <45823741-b42a-4f0d-1c40-71c5f0b1da1c@embarqmail.com> References: <3BF1FE61-A75D-441C-96BB-F555688FBDC3@reagan.com> <45823741-b42a-4f0d-1c40-71c5f0b1da1c@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <38FAC64D-F657-46A0-A844-8EC5FEAE20D3@reagan.com> Thanks Dick, but I don?t see that command in either programmers reference manual. So Don, there is no way to programmatically know when the tuning has completed? Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 1, 2018, at 6:16 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > > Harlan, > > I don't believe that is available on a real time basis (which is what you apparently are seeking). > > Yes, the K3 knows when the KAT500 has stopped tuning, but it is not available as a GET command. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > >> On 3/1/2018 6:02 PM, Harlan Sherriff via Elecraft wrote: >> Is there a GET command for either the K3 or KAT500 that will show when the tuner has completed a tune? From donwilh at embarqmail.com Thu Mar 1 18:37:11 2018 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2018 18:37:11 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] Elecraft KX2 compared with the latest "Ultra Portable" (?) In-Reply-To: <8566779B-B461-40C7-A393-0006FFD7A999@elecraft.com> References: <8566779B-B461-40C7-A393-0006FFD7A999@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <6f2002f6-351a-f63e-b26c-7b4b833600a2@embarqmail.com> To those wanting 144/432 MHz operation, perhaps Elecraft should increase the KX2 price by $50 and pack a Baofeng 144/432 transceiver with the KX2. Oh yeah, it will not do CW and SSB (only FM), but most of the LEO satellites are FM, so it would work for most all the satellite communications work available today. That radio provided satellite credit at out last local club's Field Day. If you want low power FM satellite communications, there are many choices available. I do have a Baofeng, but only use it when I am with a group of friends at a hamfest and want communications capability. The FT-817 (yes, I do own one) is too heavy to carry with me on normal ventures. OK, I am mainly an HF ham, and do not care much for the VHF/UHF stuff, I only use it for local club conversations and for ECOM work with the local network when it is activated. Just so you know my orientation. 73, Don W3FPR On 3/1/2018 12:31 PM, Wayne Burdick n6kr at elecraft.com [KX3] wrote: > A number of customers considering the KX2 have asked us how it compares > to the newly announced Yaesu FT-818. The latter is an updated ?817, with > a bit higher power output. From donwilh at embarqmail.com Thu Mar 1 18:42:39 2018 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2018 18:42:39 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 commands In-Reply-To: <38FAC64D-F657-46A0-A844-8EC5FEAE20D3@reagan.com> References: <3BF1FE61-A75D-441C-96BB-F555688FBDC3@reagan.com> <45823741-b42a-4f0d-1c40-71c5f0b1da1c@embarqmail.com> <38FAC64D-F657-46A0-A844-8EC5FEAE20D3@reagan.com> Message-ID: <2cef84a8-b3d4-a3e7-8589-47a7832d03c5@embarqmail.com> Harlan, If you have software that will poll the KAT500 with the TP command then it may be close to real time, but not exactly. 73, Don W3FPR On 3/1/2018 6:30 PM, Harlan Sherriff wrote: > Thanks Dick, but I don?t see that command in either programmers reference manual. > > So Don, there is no way to programmatically know when the tuning has completed? > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Mar 1, 2018, at 6:16 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: >> >> Harlan, >> >> I don't believe that is available on a real time basis (which is what you apparently are seeking). >> >> Yes, the K3 knows when the KAT500 has stopped tuning, but it is not available as a GET command. >> >> 73, >> Don W3FPR >> >>> On 3/1/2018 6:02 PM, Harlan Sherriff via Elecraft wrote: >>> Is there a GET command for either the K3 or KAT500 that will show when the tuner has completed a tune? > From stevesgt at effable.com Thu Mar 1 18:46:02 2018 From: stevesgt at effable.com (Steve Sergeant) Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2018 15:46:02 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Feature suggestion: Power setting in dBm In-Reply-To: <0bbacabb-b6b6-58f7-fa5b-a4536bdaf8b4@triconet.org> References: <36395e31-cc9f-76a4-6011-5ae1fd86e9b8@effable.com> <0bbacabb-b6b6-58f7-fa5b-a4536bdaf8b4@triconet.org> Message-ID: <4be6fd44-8315-9eca-1123-a7a3dd3ad5ee@effable.com> I fail to see the need for a hundred steps between 0.1W and 10W on my KX2, or steps between 1W and 100W on another radio. What difference is it going to make to anybody whether you're at 71 vs. 74 watts? But a 1.5_dB or a 3_dB step? That's something I can use. On 3/1/18 14:37 PM, Wes Stewart wrote: > I fail to see the need, but if I had one I would just do in my head. > (and probably use dBW :-) > > Wes? N7WS > > On 3/1/2018 1:07 PM, Steve Sergeant wrote: >> Here's a suggestion across the line, from the KX2 to the K3S: >> >> I'd like to have the option to display and set transmit power in dBm >> rather than linear watts. Conceptually, it makes more sense to me, and >> it's a more meaningful number relating to S-units on the received side. >> >> --... ...-- >> SteveSgt, KC6ZKT >> ______________________________________________________________ > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to stevesgt at effable.com -- -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -- Steve Sergeant Internet: SteveSgt at effable.com From n8hm at arrl.net Thu Mar 1 18:53:19 2018 From: n8hm at arrl.net (Paul Stoetzer) Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2018 18:53:19 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] Elecraft KX2 compared with the latest "Ultra Portable" (?) In-Reply-To: <6f2002f6-351a-f63e-b26c-7b4b833600a2@embarqmail.com> References: <8566779B-B461-40C7-A393-0006FFD7A999@elecraft.com> <6f2002f6-351a-f63e-b26c-7b4b833600a2@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: "Oh yeah, it will not do CW and SSB (only FM), but most of the LEO satellites are FM, so it would work for most all the satellite communications work available today. That radio provided satellite credit at out last local club's Field Day." This is incorrect. There are currently 4 active FM satellites and 11 active linear transponder satellites. 73, Paul, N8HM On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 6:37 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > To those wanting 144/432 MHz operation, perhaps Elecraft should increase the > KX2 price by $50 and pack a Baofeng 144/432 transceiver with the KX2. Oh > yeah, it will not do CW and SSB (only FM), but most of the LEO satellites > are FM, so it would work for most all the satellite communications work > available today. That radio provided satellite credit at out last local > club's Field Day. > > If you want low power FM satellite communications, there are many choices > available. I do have a Baofeng, but only use it when I am with a group of > friends at a hamfest and want communications capability. The FT-817 (yes, I > do own one) is too heavy to carry with me on normal ventures. > > OK, I am mainly an HF ham, and do not care much for the VHF/UHF stuff, I > only use it for local club conversations and for ECOM work with the local > network when it is activated. Just so you know my orientation. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 3/1/2018 12:31 PM, Wayne Burdick n6kr at elecraft.com [KX3] wrote: >> >> A number of customers considering the KX2 have asked us how it compares to >> the newly announced Yaesu FT-818. The latter is an updated ?817, with a bit >> higher power output. > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n8hm at arrl.net From z_kevino at hotmail.com Thu Mar 1 19:23:53 2018 From: z_kevino at hotmail.com (kevino z) Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2018 00:23:53 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] Elecraft KX2 compared with the latest "Ultra Portable" (?) In-Reply-To: References: <8566779B-B461-40C7-A393-0006FFD7A999@elecraft.com> <6f2002f6-351a-f63e-b26c-7b4b833600a2@embarqmail.com>, Message-ID: Not sure why there are so many haters out there. I wasn?t complaining about Elecraft, I was asking Wayne to consider a product line that has the potential to make a lot of sales, especially with the quality and love Elecraft puts into their work. As already has been pointed out, linear satellites outnumber the FM birds. I assume those on the list own Elecraft products. Never saw this kind of negativity directed at another Elecraft brother or sister before. C?mon now. -Kevin (KK4YEL) No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However, a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced ! > On Mar 1, 2018, at 18:55, Paul Stoetzer wrote: > > "Oh yeah, it will not do CW and SSB (only FM), but most of the LEO > satellites are FM, so it would work for most all the satellite > communications work available today. That radio provided satellite > credit at out last local club's Field Day." > > This is incorrect. There are currently 4 active FM satellites and 11 > active linear transponder satellites. > > 73, > > Paul, N8HM > >> On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 6:37 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: >> To those wanting 144/432 MHz operation, perhaps Elecraft should increase the >> KX2 price by $50 and pack a Baofeng 144/432 transceiver with the KX2. Oh >> yeah, it will not do CW and SSB (only FM), but most of the LEO satellites >> are FM, so it would work for most all the satellite communications work >> available today. That radio provided satellite credit at out last local >> club's Field Day. >> >> If you want low power FM satellite communications, there are many choices >> available. I do have a Baofeng, but only use it when I am with a group of >> friends at a hamfest and want communications capability. The FT-817 (yes, I >> do own one) is too heavy to carry with me on normal ventures. >> >> OK, I am mainly an HF ham, and do not care much for the VHF/UHF stuff, I >> only use it for local club conversations and for ECOM work with the local >> network when it is activated. Just so you know my orientation. >> >> 73, >> Don W3FPR >> >>> On 3/1/2018 12:31 PM, Wayne Burdick n6kr at elecraft.com [KX3] wrote: >>> >>> A number of customers considering the KX2 have asked us how it compares to >>> the newly announced Yaesu FT-818. The latter is an updated ?817, with a bit >>> higher power output. >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fmailman.qth.net%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Felecraft&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cabe161993db845bf4a6908d57fcfd9a6%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636555453036475524&sdata=%2FE6mmPGRus5oXjWt4Qq3if9aUBq7eE5lg2e5jyMT0Vs%3D&reserved=0 >> Help: https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fmailman.qth.net%2Fmmfaq.htm&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cabe161993db845bf4a6908d57fcfd9a6%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636555453036475524&sdata=LzMFCcOeXB2SUZl8Kqi8rablmALpaftphnk1CwEIKak%3D&reserved=0 >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.qsl.net&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cabe161993db845bf4a6908d57fcfd9a6%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636555453036475524&sdata=GYh4Iq6gWzBcENOivkuTh1psuJ2TsdCiJAQc2cICQnI%3D&reserved=0 >> Please help support this email list: https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.qsl.net%2Fdonate.html&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cabe161993db845bf4a6908d57fcfd9a6%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636555453036475524&sdata=6kI8FvXrDwHyAkYHLWMd1pKzEhDYridVkEcW0%2F48HkY%3D&reserved=0 >> Message delivered to n8hm at arrl.net > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fmailman.qth.net%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Felecraft&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cabe161993db845bf4a6908d57fcfd9a6%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636555453036475524&sdata=%2FE6mmPGRus5oXjWt4Qq3if9aUBq7eE5lg2e5jyMT0Vs%3D&reserved=0 > Help: https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fmailman.qth.net%2Fmmfaq.htm&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cabe161993db845bf4a6908d57fcfd9a6%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636555453036475524&sdata=LzMFCcOeXB2SUZl8Kqi8rablmALpaftphnk1CwEIKak%3D&reserved=0 > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.qsl.net&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cabe161993db845bf4a6908d57fcfd9a6%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636555453036475524&sdata=GYh4Iq6gWzBcENOivkuTh1psuJ2TsdCiJAQc2cICQnI%3D&reserved=0 > Please help support this email list: https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.qsl.net%2Fdonate.html&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cabe161993db845bf4a6908d57fcfd9a6%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636555453036475524&sdata=6kI8FvXrDwHyAkYHLWMd1pKzEhDYridVkEcW0%2F48HkY%3D&reserved=0 > Message delivered to z_kevino at hotmail.com From jmlowman at sbcglobal.net Thu Mar 1 19:24:02 2018 From: jmlowman at sbcglobal.net (Jim Low man) Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2018 16:24:02 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] Re: Elecraft KX2 compared with the latest "Ultra Portable" (?) In-Reply-To: References: <8566779B-B461-40C7-A393-0006FFD7A999@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <9B0FA1FF-7758-4D53-B2C6-FEF9492C13E2@sbcglobal.net> Trust me, Kevin, Wayne call tell you that I?ve bugged him in the past for an all-mode, stand-alone transceiver for the 6m, 2m, 222 MHz and 432 MHz bands. I made the point that they have the technology, since they have sold transverters for those bands for some time now; just put it all in one box. Of course, that?s probably an oversimplification. His reply in the past was that there probably isn?t the market out there for such a transceiver, which makes sense to me. I almost bought the 222MHz transverter, then found out that there?s almost no activity on that band in this area except during contests, or on the repeaters. Odd, considering that this is the second-most populous area in the USA. I did buy a Kenwood TS-2000X transceiver, which covers those bands, plus 1.2 GHz but minus 222 MHz. It sure would look nice to have the VHF/UHF coverage in a matching transceiver with the Elecraft label, sitting next to my K3S, though... 73 de Jim-AD6CW Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 1, 2018, at 12:26 PM, kevino z z_kevino at hotmail.com [KX3] wrote: > > > > Wayne if you guys made an all mode UHF VHF full duplex radio for satellite ops, you?d made a lot of people happy and fill an area that folks are having to buy two 817?s to accomplish.... > just my two cents > -Kevin (KK4YEL) > > ----- > The problem with the world is that the intelligent people are full of doubts, while the stupid ones are full of confidence. > From Jeff at n0xdw.net Thu Mar 1 19:50:50 2018 From: Jeff at n0xdw.net (Jeff) Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2018 17:50:50 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] Re: Elecraft KX2 compared with the latest "Ultra Portable" (?) In-Reply-To: <9B0FA1FF-7758-4D53-B2C6-FEF9492C13E2@sbcglobal.net> References: <8566779B-B461-40C7-A393-0006FFD7A999@elecraft.com> <9B0FA1FF-7758-4D53-B2C6-FEF9492C13E2@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: What I would like to see is a dual band module for the KX3 that would provide all mode 2 and 70cm. That is what I miss with the 817. I built a compressor board that fit in the case, but I like the tuner and extra power of the KX3 for HF and 6. Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 1, 2018, at 17:24, Jim Low man jmlowman at sbcglobal.net [KX3] wrote: > > Trust me, Kevin, Wayne call tell you that I?ve bugged him in the past for an all-mode, stand-alone transceiver for the 6m, 2m, 222 MHz and 432 MHz bands. > > > I made the point that they have the technology, since they have sold transverters for those bands for some time now; just put it all in one box. Of course, that?s probably an oversimplification. > > His reply in the past was that there probably isn?t the market out there for such a transceiver, which makes sense to me. > > __,_._,___ From ab2tc at arrl.net Thu Mar 1 19:58:33 2018 From: ab2tc at arrl.net (ab2tc) Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2018 17:58:33 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Advice needed: Remote Station Enhancement In-Reply-To: <07C6D4FB-8A57-4540-B7A9-4352AC8F79E5@me.com> References: <85a917a0-92e9-cadc-fa08-36e837521dcb@subich.com> <6ce3f8dd-a5e7-d6ec-5906-765668169f50@subich.com> <79d6adf4-293b-d42f-fd3a-75edb7af28bc@embarqmail.com> <947B3BEA-2E3B-4A70-BBDE-1D4D4459056B@me.com> <88bf2dd7-2584-f0cc-ae65-d2c57c86169c@subich.com> <07C6D4FB-8A57-4540-B7A9-4352AC8F79E5@me.com> Message-ID: <1519952313241-0.post@n2.nabble.com> Hi all, I was reluctant to respond again to this long thread, but I will. If all receivers on the bus (yes, it is a bus) were to obey the rules to have a pullup resistor and a steering diode we would not have the problem of "false power" to devices on the bus. This would be proper engineering practice which has unfortunately been ignored by the the ham community for years. AB2TC- Knut -- Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ From donwilh at embarqmail.com Thu Mar 1 20:32:30 2018 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2018 20:32:30 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Advice needed: Remote Station Enhancement In-Reply-To: <1519952313241-0.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <85a917a0-92e9-cadc-fa08-36e837521dcb@subich.com> <6ce3f8dd-a5e7-d6ec-5906-765668169f50@subich.com> <79d6adf4-293b-d42f-fd3a-75edb7af28bc@embarqmail.com> <947B3BEA-2E3B-4A70-BBDE-1D4D4459056B@me.com> <88bf2dd7-2584-f0cc-ae65-d2c57c86169c@subich.com> <07C6D4FB-8A57-4540-B7A9-4352AC8F79E5@me.com> <1519952313241-0.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <7d177121-fcfc-7f46-5d50-33c5e37a9931@embarqmail.com> Knut, This has been a "corruption" of the RS-232 environment. RS-232 is a point to point protocol, and too many ham applications have tried to turn it into a multi-point communication. It just does not work. Multiple receivers will work, but multiple drivers will not. It all boils down to that point. In addition, all but the far end receivers should provide the pullup resistors. If that is followed, no harm will occur. Unfortunately, many devices want to be that far end receiver with the pullup resistors, and chaos is the result. Until a systems approach is implemented (don't hold your breath), the RS-232 and interoperatability between manufacturers will be a thing only to be wished for. Each manufacturer has there own version of interoperability which works fine until someone offers some gear which does not conform. Maybe we need a ham radio "standards" organization to resolve the problems and make all things ham radio to work together. That is not likely in the near future IMHO. 73, Don W3FPR 73, Don W3FPR On 3/1/2018 7:58 PM, ab2tc wrote: > Hi all, > > I was reluctant to respond again to this long thread, but I will. > > If all receivers on the bus (yes, it is a bus) were to obey the rules to > have a pullup resistor and a steering diode we would not have the problem of > "false power" to devices on the bus. This would be proper engineering > practice which has unfortunately been ignored by the the ham community for > years. From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Thu Mar 1 20:35:21 2018 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2018 17:35:21 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] Elecraft KX2 compared with the latest "Ultra Portable" (?) In-Reply-To: References: <8566779B-B461-40C7-A393-0006FFD7A999@elecraft.com> <6f2002f6-351a-f63e-b26c-7b4b833600a2@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: On 3/1/2018 4:23 PM, kevino z wrote: > Not sure why there are so many haters out there. What hate?? Disagreement is not hate. Disagreement is I have a different opinion or know more or less about something than you do. When comparing to those other rigs, bear in mind that 1) Elecraft is a MUCH smaller company than the ones that build those el-cheapo, do-everything boxes, and simply doesn't have the resources to make too many products; 2) the performance of Elecraft rigs blows away those el-cheapo rigs on bands they cover for features, performance, weight, current draw, and ease of use; and 3) Elecraft's fundamental philosophy is quality, not cheap. 73, Jim K9YC From dave.w0zf at gmail.com Thu Mar 1 21:15:43 2018 From: dave.w0zf at gmail.com (Dave Fugleberg) Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2018 02:15:43 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] Elecraft KX2 compared with the latest "Ultra Portable" (?) In-Reply-To: References: <8566779B-B461-40C7-A393-0006FFD7A999@elecraft.com> <6f2002f6-351a-f63e-b26c-7b4b833600a2@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: For what it's worth... I did roughly the same comparison a year ago, and then sold my 817 to partially fund the KX2 the following week. I don't regret it. The KX2 is hands down superior in every way for the bands that the two rigs have in common. I too would like to have a VHF/ UHF all mode portable rig, and while it would be cool to have that in the KX2, I'd be just as happy if it were a separate radio . I have the 144, 222, and 432 Elecraft transverters, and their seamless integration with the K3 makes them a joy to use. A small standalone V/U all mode full duplex rig would be slick for satellite though. One other place I've seen the 817 get a lot of use is as a 144 MHz IF rig for 10GHz use. I know several guys that own one just for that. If I ever get the itch to build up a 10 GHz rig, I'm guessing the KX3 with the 2m option would make a great IF. Anyone out there doing that? On Thu, Mar 1, 2018 at 7:37 PM Jim Brown wrote: > On 3/1/2018 4:23 PM, kevino z wrote: > > Not sure why there are so many haters out there. > > What hate? Disagreement is not hate. Disagreement is I have a different > opinion or know more or less about something than you do. > > When comparing to those other rigs, bear in mind that 1) Elecraft is a > MUCH smaller company than the ones that build those el-cheapo, > do-everything boxes, and simply doesn't have the resources to make too > many products; 2) the performance of Elecraft rigs blows away those > el-cheapo rigs on bands they cover for features, performance, weight, > current draw, and ease of use; and 3) Elecraft's fundamental philosophy > is quality, not cheap. > > 73, Jim K9YC > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dave.w0zf at gmail.com From lists at subich.com Thu Mar 1 21:56:54 2018 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2018 21:56:54 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Advice needed: Remote Station Enhancement In-Reply-To: <1519952313241-0.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <85a917a0-92e9-cadc-fa08-36e837521dcb@subich.com> <6ce3f8dd-a5e7-d6ec-5906-765668169f50@subich.com> <79d6adf4-293b-d42f-fd3a-75edb7af28bc@embarqmail.com> <947B3BEA-2E3B-4A70-BBDE-1D4D4459056B@me.com> <88bf2dd7-2584-f0cc-ae65-d2c57c86169c@subich.com> <07C6D4FB-8A57-4540-B7A9-4352AC8F79E5@me.com> <1519952313241-0.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <05bc1249-6799-7b57-43b3-b9c1d83150b2@subich.com> > If all receivers on the bus (yes, it is a bus) were to obey the rules > to have a pullup resistor and a steering diode we would not have the > problem of "false power" to devices on the bus. Of course, they would fail to work with older Yaesu transceivers that source voltage for a logic high and are open circuit on logic low. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 3/1/2018 7:58 PM, ab2tc wrote: > Hi all, > > I was reluctant to respond again to this long thread, but I will. > > If all receivers on the bus (yes, it is a bus) were to obey the rules to > have a pullup resistor and a steering diode we would not have the problem of > "false power" to devices on the bus. This would be proper engineering > practice which has unfortunately been ignored by the the ham community for > years. > > AB2TC- Knut > > > > -- > Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to lists at subich.com > From ua9cdc at gmail.com Thu Mar 1 22:02:59 2018 From: ua9cdc at gmail.com (Igor Sokolov) Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2018 08:02:59 +0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 ACC1 to PC and expert 1.3K-fa ? In-Reply-To: <5a97dd01.87936b0a.c9922.3db2SMTPIN_ADDED_BROKEN@mx.google.com> References: <000001d3b13a$714b82f0$53e288d0$@bourbon@on7yk.eu> <62146e68-c737-409f-ada5-1db039723626@roccon.com> <5a97dd01.87936b0a.c9922.3db2SMTPIN_ADDED_BROKEN@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <35070db6-25dd-9e21-fd37-f319e8e1fa28@gmail.com> I have the same setup. KX3 and Expert 1.3 IW2NOY is correct. Expert only has to listen on CAT. Remove TX line connection from Expert to TRX otherwise you will have collisions when Expert and computer both are polling TRX for frequency. I use Elecraft setting for CAT on Expert. 73, Igor UA9CDC 01.03.2018 15:58, Andre Bourbon ?????: > Hi, > > Tnx > > I have already test this configuration like you propose. > > Removed the TX (pin9) on the DB15 only pin 1(rx) and 4 (gnd) > > But the expert need as cat config Flex radio when he is on the KX3 , tx and Rx must be connected . > > > > KX3 is not like K3 > > 73? Andr? on7yk > > > > > > From: Graziano Roccon [mailto:graziano.roccon at gmail.com] On Behalf Of Graziano Roccon IW2NOY > Sent: donderdag 1 maart 2018 11:08 > To: Andre Bourbon > Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 ACC1 to PC and expert 1.3K-fa ? > > > > Hi, > > Serial communications is thinked for two buddies with crossed tx and rx., not for three. > > You have too many tx on the same cable. > > Remove the tx from the db15 of expert you don't need it. For the expert is enough READ (rx) the frequency that set the CAT coming from the PC (TX). > > Remove the tx from the expert db 15 and try again. > > I have similar setup but with k3s instead of kx3. > > There are cable schemas on my site, if you want give a look. > > Good luck, 73 de IW2NOY > > http://www.iw2noy.it/index.php?id=87 > > > > Inviato da BlueMail > > Il giorno 1 mar 2018, alle ore 09:53, Andre Bourbon ha scritto: > > My setup is : KX3 --- PC ----Expert Ampli 1K-fa or 1.3k-fa > > > > > > > > > > > > Using the ACC1 port : > > > > > > > > > > > > Kx3 Connect to my pc with KXUSB cable and DX-lab logging prg --------- band > > > changing is ok > > > > > > KX3 connect with my Expert ampli DB15 ( txd,rxd,gnd ) ( flex radio cat > > > settings ) -band changing is ok > > > > > > > > > > > > I will do it now together : > > > > > > I put 1 cable wired on parallel : txd, rxd, gnd > > > > > > 1 cable goes from the KX3 to the expert ampli > > > > > > 1 cable goes from the KX3 via KX3USB to the pc > > > > > > > > > > > > ----band changing totally NOT working any more . > > > > > > Its look like there is a conflict or the voltage from the kx3 is to low to > > > change the band info to the pc and on the same time to the cat port (Expert > > > ampli.) > > > > > > Any advice, or solution ??? > > > > > > Andr? ON7YK > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > Deze e-mail is gecontroleerd op virussen door AVG. > > > http://www.avg.com > > > > _____ > > > > > > > Elecraft mailing list > > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > > Message delivered to graziano at roccon.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to ua9cdc at gmail.com From w0jx at yahoo.com Thu Mar 1 22:22:08 2018 From: w0jx at yahoo.com (Dennis W0JX) Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2018 03:22:08 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] Best Batteries for KX3? References: <638647476.8971436.1519960928772.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <638647476.8971436.1519960928772@mail.yahoo.com> Thanks for all the great info ad advice regarding batteries for my KX3. I'll be going with a set of high capacity NiMH LSD cells. And I have decided to invest in the internal charger to avoid having to carry an extra set around. I have one additional question re battery operation. What is a good power output to use which would be a balance between effective QRP power and decent battery time on an internal set of NiMH batteries? 73, Dennis W0JX From eric.csuf at gmail.com Thu Mar 1 22:58:40 2018 From: eric.csuf at gmail.com (EricJ) Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2018 19:58:40 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Feature suggestion: Power setting in dBm In-Reply-To: <4be6fd44-8315-9eca-1123-a7a3dd3ad5ee@effable.com> References: <36395e31-cc9f-76a4-6011-5ae1fd86e9b8@effable.com> <0bbacabb-b6b6-58f7-fa5b-a4536bdaf8b4@triconet.org> <4be6fd44-8315-9eca-1123-a7a3dd3ad5ee@effable.com> Message-ID: My guess is the average ham doesn't have the slightest concept of dBw nor would it seem intuitive if they did. Cranking a knob isn't all that onerous. Even those of us who use dBw regularly on the bench, just pick one or a couple output powers that they use. In my case, 90% of the time it's 5w, occasionally 20w and sometimes 100w. And there the knob sits without further change. We had similar discussions in the automotive industry. Not about units of measure, but methods of displaying useful information. When instrument panels started using digital displays for a few things, we discovered that they were useful for things like vehicle speed, but they were disasters for tachometers and engine monitoring or a binary "idiot light".? They work for vehicle speed because you are seeking to maintain a specific speed flashed at you periodically on road signs. But we don't use tachometers that way. We're looking for ranges and trends of engine speed, not a specific number. Same with engine monitoring. We just want to glance and see it is within range. A digital display makes you have to think. You shouldn't have to think about water temperature and oil pressure. In racing, we simplified everything even more. We rotated the gauges so the needle always pointed straight up on every gauge when it was centered on the desired range. There are times when a linear controls and displays works fine and times when a log controls and displays are more meaningful. Virtually everyone intuitively understands linear versions. Hardly anyone intuitively understands logarithmic versions, esp. these days without slide rules. Eric KE6US On 3/1/2018 3:46 PM, Steve Sergeant wrote: > I fail to see the need for a hundred steps between 0.1W and 10W on my > KX2, or steps between 1W and 100W on another radio. What difference is > it going to make to anybody whether you're at 71 vs. 74 watts? But a > 1.5_dB or a 3_dB step? That's something I can use. > > > On 3/1/18 14:37 PM, Wes Stewart wrote: >> I fail to see the need, but if I had one I would just do in my head. >> (and probably use dBW :-) >> >> Wes? N7WS >> >> On 3/1/2018 1:07 PM, Steve Sergeant wrote: >>> Here's a suggestion across the line, from the KX2 to the K3S: >>> >>> I'd like to have the option to display and set transmit power in dBm >>> rather than linear watts. Conceptually, it makes more sense to me, and >>> it's a more meaningful number relating to S-units on the received side. >>> >>> --... ...-- >>> SteveSgt, KC6ZKT >>> ______________________________________________________________ >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to stevesgt at effable.com > From k2vco.vic at gmail.com Thu Mar 1 23:12:01 2018 From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP) Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2018 06:12:01 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] Feature suggestion: Power setting in dBm In-Reply-To: <4be6fd44-8315-9eca-1123-a7a3dd3ad5ee@effable.com> References: <36395e31-cc9f-76a4-6011-5ae1fd86e9b8@effable.com> <0bbacabb-b6b6-58f7-fa5b-a4536bdaf8b4@triconet.org> <4be6fd44-8315-9eca-1123-a7a3dd3ad5ee@effable.com> Message-ID: It makes a big difference if you are driving an amplifier, where the precise amount of drive can be important. 73, Victor, 4X6GP Rehovot, Israel Formerly K2VCO http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/ On 2 Mar 2018 01:46, Steve Sergeant wrote: > I fail to see the need for a hundred steps between 0.1W and 10W on my > KX2, or steps between 1W and 100W on another radio. What difference is > it going to make to anybody whether you're at 71 vs. 74 watts? But a > 1.5_dB or a 3_dB step? That's something I can use. > > > On 3/1/18 14:37 PM, Wes Stewart wrote: >> I fail to see the need, but if I had one I would just do in my head. >> (and probably use dBW :-) >> >> Wes? N7WS >> >> On 3/1/2018 1:07 PM, Steve Sergeant wrote: >>> Here's a suggestion across the line, from the KX2 to the K3S: >>> >>> I'd like to have the option to display and set transmit power in dBm >>> rather than linear watts. Conceptually, it makes more sense to me, and >>> it's a more meaningful number relating to S-units on the received side. >>> >>> --... ...-- >>> SteveSgt, KC6ZKT From jrgraves at knology.net Thu Mar 1 23:50:59 2018 From: jrgraves at knology.net (Jim Graves) Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2018 23:50:59 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Best Batteries for KX-3? In-Reply-To: References: <1064274076.8189673.1519874511563@mail.yahoo.com><1218762760.7581092.1519880852191@mail.yahoo.com><004301d3b163$a4c3f260$ee4bd720$@erols.com><1519939632618-0.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: Sam's Club has the exact same Energizer Ultimate Lithium batteries in an 18 pack for $19.95. This is the best deal I have been able to find. They work great in the KX3. Jim G. W4JRG ================================================================================================== Non-rechargeable AA batteries aren?t that expensive. $12 for an 8-pack. With 3000 mAh, they should last a long time on receive, up to 20 hours. https://smile.amazon.com/Energizer-Ultimate-Lithium-Batteries-L91SBP-8/dp/B00EAKP8S0/ wunder K6WRU Walter Underwood CM87wj http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) From jackbrindle at me.com Fri Mar 2 00:03:22 2018 From: jackbrindle at me.com (Jack Brindle) Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2018 21:03:22 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 commands In-Reply-To: <38FAC64D-F657-46A0-A844-8EC5FEAE20D3@reagan.com> References: <3BF1FE61-A75D-441C-96BB-F555688FBDC3@reagan.com> <45823741-b42a-4f0d-1c40-71c5f0b1da1c@embarqmail.com> <38FAC64D-F657-46A0-A844-8EC5FEAE20D3@reagan.com> Message-ID: <2A8CDBA5-E971-4439-AAE5-A945CB5E543C@me.com> It is in the latest KAT500 Serial Command Reference, and requires V1.42 or later firmware in the KAT500. Jack, W6FB > On Mar 1, 2018, at 3:30 PM, Harlan Sherriff via Elecraft wrote: > > Thanks Dick, but I don?t see that command in either programmers reference manual. > > So Don, there is no way to programmatically know when the tuning has completed? > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Mar 1, 2018, at 6:16 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: >> >> Harlan, >> >> I don't believe that is available on a real time basis (which is what you apparently are seeking). >> >> Yes, the K3 knows when the KAT500 has stopped tuning, but it is not available as a GET command. >> >> 73, >> Don W3FPR >> >>> On 3/1/2018 6:02 PM, Harlan Sherriff via Elecraft wrote: >>> Is there a GET command for either the K3 or KAT500 that will show when the tuner has completed a tune? > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to jackbrindle at me.com From stevesgt at effable.com Fri Mar 2 00:57:17 2018 From: stevesgt at effable.com (Steve Sergeant) Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2018 21:57:17 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Feature suggestion: Power setting in dBm In-Reply-To: References: <36395e31-cc9f-76a4-6011-5ae1fd86e9b8@effable.com> <0bbacabb-b6b6-58f7-fa5b-a4536bdaf8b4@triconet.org> <4be6fd44-8315-9eca-1123-a7a3dd3ad5ee@effable.com> Message-ID: <31e52845-96fa-dfbf-9f02-0d0c07285ce2@effable.com> Again, I'm asking for it to be AN option, NOT the only option. --... ...-- SteveSgt, KC6ZKT On 3/1/18 20:12 PM, Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP wrote: > It makes a big difference if you are driving an amplifier, where the > precise amount of drive can be important. > > 73, > Victor, 4X6GP > Rehovot, Israel > Formerly K2VCO > http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/ > On 2 Mar 2018 01:46, Steve Sergeant wrote: >> I fail to see the need for a hundred steps between 0.1W and 10W on my >> KX2, or steps between 1W and 100W on another radio. What difference is >> it going to make to anybody whether you're at 71 vs. 74 watts? But a >> 1.5_dB or a 3_dB step? That's something I can use. >> >> >> On 3/1/18 14:37 PM, Wes Stewart wrote: >>> I fail to see the need, but if I had one I would just do in my head. >>> (and probably use dBW :-) >>> >>> Wes? N7WS >>> >>> On 3/1/2018 1:07 PM, Steve Sergeant wrote: >>>> Here's a suggestion across the line, from the KX2 to the K3S: >>>> >>>> I'd like to have the option to display and set transmit power in dBm >>>> rather than linear watts. Conceptually, it makes more sense to me, and >>>> it's a more meaningful number relating to S-units on the received side. >>>> >>>> --... ...-- >>>> SteveSgt, KC6ZKT > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to stevesgt at effable.com -- -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -- Steve Sergeant Internet: SteveSgt at effable.com From kwroberson at yahoo.com Fri Mar 2 08:24:48 2018 From: kwroberson at yahoo.com (Ken Roberson) Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2018 13:24:48 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] K3_630 meter References: <1836365285.7330038.1519997088054.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1836365285.7330038.1519997088054@mail.yahoo.com> Hello all,There is a photo of the 630 meter station on my web-site.Also info on antenna and remote tuner. Thanks 73 Ken K5DNLwww.k5dnl.com From irmalinas73 at gmail.com Fri Mar 2 10:10:17 2018 From: irmalinas73 at gmail.com (Irma & Linas(LY2H)) Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2018 15:10:17 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft KX2 compared with the latest "Ultra Portable" Message-ID: I have both the FT- 817nd ( since ten years) and the KX-2 ( since about two years). The '817 used to be an unbeatable champion in the QRP rigs class for many years due to its versatility, all-band (160m -70cm) all mode features. It travelled with me all accross Europe and did a great job in casual hotel-style operation but also in a big contests' QRP category with very good results. With a third-party DSP filter (Bhi-Dsp module) installed this rig was and still is a very welcome in my shack, last but not least due to its VHF/UHF full-feature coverage including sattelite operation .On the downside , the FT'817 needs quite a lot of energy to produce its 5W and that makes the operation from its internal battery practically useless. The lack of a built in ATU is another minus, eventhough the Elecraft's T-1 mini tuner comes as a great solution for this :)). Tiny display is yet another minus. As it comes to KX-2 it is my favourite and major rig now for all of my HF QRP activities, incl working mobile. The first thing wich struck me, compare to the FT817, was a KX-2 internal battery which REALY worked for many hours uncharged! Even if in a hotel room or in the car I prefere to run it on the battery since it much more convienient, less wiring and QRM from the switching power supply ( only few brands of ps are almost no noise). The power consumption both on RX and especially TX in the KX2 was another pleasant surprise! What it takes for the FT-817 to produce 5 W is enough or even less for KX-2 to yeald up good 10W! This comes as a great advantage when taking part in the QRP contests, since a 10W amplifier stands easily the heavy-duty style contest operation when run at the 5 W level. For a casual operation when the 5W QRP is not a requirement I like it very much to have 10-12 W in such a compact box. I also like the large display and great functionality in KX-2 , like built in messages for CW and even SSB. The message feature makes it much more fun when operating mobile or in the contest ( especially voice messaging , since I hate shouting cq for hours :)). The DSP filtering makes the receiver's general performing far better to my opinion then the FT-817 especially in a crowdy environment like FD or a contest. Being a programmable SDR rig, the KX-2 is easily upgradable ( and I like it very much!) for more and better features which is out of question for an old ( good!) analogue FT-817. The only thing which the KX-2 lacks on HF is a 160 m band ( and I don't understand why). As it comes for the VHF/UHF I don't miss it in the KX-2 since it would be rearly used by the HF hams anyway and it would result in the bigger size and the price of the rig. There is a KX-3 for that, :) and I personally still have the FT-817 packed carefully in case I feel a desire to grab my VHF yagies and rush to a VHF field day, :)). From kjpj65 at outlook.com Fri Mar 2 10:12:19 2018 From: kjpj65 at outlook.com (Ken Jones) Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2018 15:12:19 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Sale - XV50 Transverter In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi All, Have the subject transverter I'm not using. Works well. No scratches, dents or dings. Comes with the original manual and the three connecting cables for the K2. For the K2 you need the K60XV option. The "builder alert" bypass cap change has been done and the sheets included. The XV "Manual Errata", Rev B-1 has been incorporated and the sheets included. Will be packed well. Did lots of E-Bay packing. Asking 140.00 + 15.00 shipping (US only). Pay-Pal is fine or a postal Money Order. Thanks for reading, Ken, W2GIW, Sewell, NJ OK in QRZ From andre.bourbon at on7yk.eu Fri Mar 2 10:10:43 2018 From: andre.bourbon at on7yk.eu (Andre Bourbon) Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2018 16:10:43 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 ACC1 to PC and expert 1.3K-fa ? In-Reply-To: <35070db6-25dd-9e21-fd37-f319e8e1fa28@gmail.com> References: <000001d3b13a$714b82f0$53e288d0$@bourbon@on7yk.eu> <62146e68-c737-409f-ada5-1db039723626@roccon.com> <5a97dd01.87936b0a.c9922.3db2SMTPIN_ADDED_BROKEN@mx.google.com> <35070db6-25dd-9e21-fd37-f319e8e1fa28@gmail.com> Message-ID: <000c01d3b238$a29d0af0$e7d720d0$@bourbon@on7yk.eu> Hi Igor , Tnx for info . On this moment I test the KX3 with the expert 1K-fa . The settings for elecraft are not in the menu ( 1k-fa). On the 1.3K-fa there are cat settings for elecraft . I will try it when my 1.3K-fa is arrived , end of March . 73? Andr? C5YK / C5S / (exC56YK ) / ON7YK -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Igor Sokolov Sent: vrijdag 2 maart 2018 4:03 To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 ACC1 to PC and expert 1.3K-fa ? I have the same setup. KX3 and Expert 1.3 IW2NOY is correct. Expert only has to listen on CAT. Remove TX line connection from Expert to TRX otherwise you will have collisions when Expert and computer both are polling TRX for frequency. I use Elecraft setting for CAT on Expert. 73, Igor UA9CDC 01.03.2018 15:58, Andre Bourbon ?????: > Hi, > > Tnx > > I have already test this configuration like you propose. > > Removed the TX (pin9) on the DB15 only pin 1(rx) and 4 (gnd) > > But the expert need as cat config Flex radio when he is on the KX3 , tx and Rx must be connected . > > > > KX3 is not like K3 > > 73? Andr? on7yk > > > > > > From: Graziano Roccon [mailto:graziano.roccon at gmail.com] On Behalf Of Graziano Roccon IW2NOY > Sent: donderdag 1 maart 2018 11:08 > To: Andre Bourbon > Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 ACC1 to PC and expert 1.3K-fa ? > > > > Hi, > > Serial communications is thinked for two buddies with crossed tx and rx., not for three. > > You have too many tx on the same cable. > > Remove the tx from the db15 of expert you don't need it. For the expert is enough READ (rx) the frequency that set the CAT coming from the PC (TX). > > Remove the tx from the expert db 15 and try again. > > I have similar setup but with k3s instead of kx3. > > There are cable schemas on my site, if you want give a look. > > Good luck, 73 de IW2NOY > > http://www.iw2noy.it/index.php?id=87 > > > > Inviato da BlueMail > > Il giorno 1 mar 2018, alle ore 09:53, Andre Bourbon ha scritto: > > My setup is : KX3 --- PC ----Expert Ampli 1K-fa or 1.3k-fa > > > > > > > > > > > > Using the ACC1 port : > > > > > > > > > > > > Kx3 Connect to my pc with KXUSB cable and DX-lab logging prg --------- band > > > changing is ok > > > > > > KX3 connect with my Expert ampli DB15 ( txd,rxd,gnd ) ( flex radio cat > > > settings ) -band changing is ok > > > > > > > > > > > > I will do it now together : > > > > > > I put 1 cable wired on parallel : txd, rxd, gnd > > > > > > 1 cable goes from the KX3 to the expert ampli > > > > > > 1 cable goes from the KX3 via KX3USB to the pc > > > > > > > > > > > > ----band changing totally NOT working any more . > > > > > > Its look like there is a conflict or the voltage from the kx3 is to low to > > > change the band info to the pc and on the same time to the cat port (Expert > > > ampli.) > > > > > > Any advice, or solution ??? > > > > > > Andr? ON7YK > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > Deze e-mail is gecontroleerd op virussen door AVG. > > > http://www.avg.com > > > > _____ > > > > > > > Elecraft mailing list > > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > > Message delivered to graziano at roccon.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to ua9cdc at gmail.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to andre.bourbon at on7yk.eu From donwilh at embarqmail.com Fri Mar 2 10:52:27 2018 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2018 10:52:27 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Sale - XV50 Transverter In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6a313893-b6a6-0cd4-732b-0f2d0696610b@embarqmail.com> Ken, A slight correction - the K2 does NOT need the K60XV option for transverter operation, although it makes things easier. The XV50 can be driven by any transceiver that produces 1mW up to 8 watts. The jumpers in the XV50 must be set properly to control the power input range. 73, Don W3FPR On 3/2/2018 10:12 AM, Ken Jones wrote: > Hi All, > > > Have the subject transverter I'm not using. Works well. No scratches, dents or dings. > > Comes with the original manual and the three connecting cables for the K2. > > For the K2 you need the K60XV option. > > The "builder alert" bypass cap change has been done and the sheets included. > > The XV "Manual Errata", Rev B-1 has been incorporated and the sheets included. > > Will be packed well. Did lots of E-Bay packing. > > Asking 140.00 + 15.00 shipping (US only). > > Pay-Pal is fine or a postal Money Order. > > > Thanks for reading, Ken, W2GIW, Sewell, NJ > > OK in QRZ > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to donwilh at embarqmail.com > From dl1sdz at gmail.com Fri Mar 2 11:37:37 2018 From: dl1sdz at gmail.com (Hajo Dezelski) Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2018 17:37:37 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft KX2 compared with the latest "Ultra Portable" In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello, one thing which was not mentioned here: As far as my memory serves me well: The FT-817 was not usable with QSK operation and the relais made noise like an old sewing machine. 73 de Hajo Gruss Hajo --- Cela est bien dit, mais il faut cultiver notre jardin. http://hajos-kontrapunkte.blogspot.de/ On Fri, Mar 2, 2018 at 4:10 PM, Irma & Linas(LY2H) wrote: > I have both the FT- 817nd ( since ten years) and the KX-2 ( since about > two years). > The '817 used to be an unbeatable champion in the QRP rigs class for many > years due to its versatility, all-band (160m -70cm) all mode features. It > travelled with me all accross Europe and did a great job in casual > hotel-style operation but also in a big contests' QRP category with very > good results. With a third-party DSP filter (Bhi-Dsp module) installed this > rig was and still is a very welcome in my shack, last but not least due to > its VHF/UHF full-feature coverage including sattelite operation .On the > downside , the FT'817 needs quite a lot of energy to produce its 5W and > that makes the operation from its internal battery practically useless. The > lack of a built in ATU is another minus, eventhough the Elecraft's T-1 mini > tuner comes as a great solution for this :)). Tiny display is yet another > minus. > > As it comes to KX-2 it is my favourite and major rig now for all of my HF > QRP activities, incl working mobile. The first thing wich struck me, > compare to the FT817, was a KX-2 internal battery which REALY worked for > many hours uncharged! Even if in a hotel room or in the car I prefere to > run it on the battery since it much more convienient, less wiring and QRM > from the switching power supply ( only few brands of ps are almost no > noise). The power consumption both on RX and especially TX in the KX2 was > another pleasant surprise! What it takes for the FT-817 to produce 5 W is > enough or even less for KX-2 to yeald up good 10W! This comes as a great > advantage when taking part in the QRP contests, since a 10W amplifier > stands easily the heavy-duty style contest operation when run at the 5 W > level. For a casual operation when the 5W QRP is not a requirement I like > it very much to have 10-12 W in such a compact box. I also like the large > display and great functionality in KX-2 , like built in messages for CW and > even SSB. The message feature makes it much more fun when operating mobile > or in the contest ( especially voice messaging , since I hate shouting cq > for hours :)). The DSP filtering makes the receiver's general performing > far better to my opinion then the FT-817 especially in a crowdy > environment like FD or a contest. Being a programmable SDR rig, the KX-2 is > easily upgradable ( and I like it very much!) for more and better features > which is out of question for an old ( good!) analogue FT-817. The only > thing which the KX-2 lacks on HF is a 160 m band ( and I don't understand > why). As it comes for the VHF/UHF I don't miss it in the KX-2 since it > would be rearly used by the HF hams anyway and it would result in the > bigger size and the price of the rig. There is a KX-3 for that, :) and I > personally still have the FT-817 packed carefully in case I feel a desire > to grab my VHF yagies and rush to a VHF field day, :)). > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dl1sdz at gmail.com From challinan at gmail.com Fri Mar 2 15:17:43 2018 From: challinan at gmail.com (Chris Hallinan) Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2018 15:17:43 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft KX2 compared with the latest "Ultra Portable" In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Curious what you use for an antenna at hotel rooms? Many hotel rooms have windows that don't even open. On Fri, Mar 2, 2018 at 10:10 AM, Irma & Linas(LY2H) wrote: > I have both the FT- 817nd ( since ten years) and the KX-2 ( since about > two years). > The '817 used to be an unbeatable champion in the QRP rigs class for many > years due to its versatility, all-band (160m -70cm) all mode features. It > travelled with me all accross Europe and did a great job in casual > hotel-style operation but also in a big contests' QRP category with very > good results. With a third-party DSP filter (Bhi-Dsp module) installed this > rig was and still is a very welcome in my shack, last but not least due to > its VHF/UHF full-feature coverage including sattelite operation .On the > downside , the FT'817 needs quite a lot of energy to produce its 5W and > that makes the operation from its internal battery practically useless. The > lack of a built in ATU is another minus, eventhough the Elecraft's T-1 mini > tuner comes as a great solution for this :)). Tiny display is yet another > minus. > > As it comes to KX-2 it is my favourite and major rig now for all of my HF > QRP activities, incl working mobile. The first thing wich struck me, > compare to the FT817, was a KX-2 internal battery which REALY worked for > many hours uncharged! Even if in a hotel room or in the car I prefere to > run it on the battery since it much more convienient, less wiring and QRM > from the switching power supply ( only few brands of ps are almost no > noise). The power consumption both on RX and especially TX in the KX2 was > another pleasant surprise! What it takes for the FT-817 to produce 5 W is > enough or even less for KX-2 to yeald up good 10W! This comes as a great > advantage when taking part in the QRP contests, since a 10W amplifier > stands easily the heavy-duty style contest operation when run at the 5 W > level. For a casual operation when the 5W QRP is not a requirement I like > it very much to have 10-12 W in such a compact box. I also like the large > display and great functionality in KX-2 , like built in messages for CW and > even SSB. The message feature makes it much more fun when operating mobile > or in the contest ( especially voice messaging , since I hate shouting cq > for hours :)). The DSP filtering makes the receiver's general performing > far better to my opinion then the FT-817 especially in a crowdy > environment like FD or a contest. Being a programmable SDR rig, the KX-2 is > easily upgradable ( and I like it very much!) for more and better features > which is out of question for an old ( good!) analogue FT-817. The only > thing which the KX-2 lacks on HF is a 160 m band ( and I don't understand > why). As it comes for the VHF/UHF I don't miss it in the KX-2 since it > would be rearly used by the HF hams anyway and it would result in the > bigger size and the price of the rig. There is a KX-3 for that, :) and I > personally still have the FT-817 packed carefully in case I feel a desire > to grab my VHF yagies and rush to a VHF field day, :)). > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to challinan at gmail.com > -- Life is like Linux - it never stands still. From cyaffey at gmail.com Fri Mar 2 16:00:36 2018 From: cyaffey at gmail.com (Carl Yaffey) Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2018 16:00:36 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 arrived Message-ID: <9E01F906-C355-41CF-AC0F-9B1198A13B18@gmail.com> #38 arrived today in fine shape. Just worked 3C3W on 20M CW Thanks Elecraft gang! 73 Carl Yaffey K8NU Recording studio. cyaffeyNO_SPAM at gmail.com 614 268 6353, Columbus OH http://www.carl-yaffey.com http://www.grassahol.com http://www.bluesswing.com From ab2tc at arrl.net Fri Mar 2 16:43:54 2018 From: ab2tc at arrl.net (ab2tc) Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2018 14:43:54 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Advice needed: Remote Station Enhancement In-Reply-To: <1519952313241-0.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <6ce3f8dd-a5e7-d6ec-5906-765668169f50@subich.com> <79d6adf4-293b-d42f-fd3a-75edb7af28bc@embarqmail.com> <947B3BEA-2E3B-4A70-BBDE-1D4D4459056B@me.com> <88bf2dd7-2584-f0cc-ae65-d2c57c86169c@subich.com> <07C6D4FB-8A57-4540-B7A9-4352AC8F79E5@me.com> <1519952313241-0.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1520027034621-0.post@n2.nabble.com> Hi all, Of course this assumes that the sole transmitter on the bus obeys the rules as well, which is to be an open collector or open drain (or relay contact to ground). I am sorry if I omitted that point. As far as older Yaesu transceivers are concerned, their design is proprietary and cannot be brought into the mold without serious converters (which should frankly be easily constructed by the serious amateur). My main point is that the amateur community should move towards following the "standard". If all devices followed that "standard" they would all work together and there would be no problem with one device powering another. AB2TC - Knut ab2tc wrote > Hi all, > > I was reluctant to respond again to this long thread, but I will. > > If all receivers on the bus (yes, it is a bus) were to obey the rules to > have a pullup resistor and a steering diode we would not have the problem > of > "false power" to devices on the bus. This would be proper engineering > practice which has unfortunately been ignored by the the ham community for > years. > > AB2TC- Knut > > > > -- > Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto: > Elecraft at .qth > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to > lists+1215531472858-365791 at .nabble -- Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ From KX3.1 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com Fri Mar 2 16:48:56 2018 From: KX3.1 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com (Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT) Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2018 13:48:56 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Advice needed: Remote Station Enhancement In-Reply-To: <1520027034621-0.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <6ce3f8dd-a5e7-d6ec-5906-765668169f50@subich.com> <79d6adf4-293b-d42f-fd3a-75edb7af28bc@embarqmail.com> <947B3BEA-2E3B-4A70-BBDE-1D4D4459056B@me.com> <88bf2dd7-2584-f0cc-ae65-d2c57c86169c@subich.com> <07C6D4FB-8A57-4540-B7A9-4352AC8F79E5@me.com> <1519952313241-0.post@n2.nabble.com> <1520027034621-0.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: The nice thing about standards is that there are so many to choose from. 73 -- Lynn On 3/2/2018 1:43 PM, ab2tc wrote: > My main point is that the amateur community should move towards following > the "standard". If all devices followed that "standard" they would all work > together and there would be no problem with one device powering another. From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Fri Mar 2 17:03:19 2018 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2018 14:03:19 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Advice needed: Remote Station Enhancement In-Reply-To: References: <6ce3f8dd-a5e7-d6ec-5906-765668169f50@subich.com> <79d6adf4-293b-d42f-fd3a-75edb7af28bc@embarqmail.com> <947B3BEA-2E3B-4A70-BBDE-1D4D4459056B@me.com> <88bf2dd7-2584-f0cc-ae65-d2c57c86169c@subich.com> <07C6D4FB-8A57-4540-B7A9-4352AC8F79E5@me.com> <1519952313241-0.post@n2.nabble.com> <1520027034621-0.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <3b90eb98-a7ba-f9b1-afce-71a5ce8e6ace@audiosystemsgroup.com> On 3/2/2018 1:48 PM, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT wrote: > The nice thing about standards is that there are so many to choose from. Actually, what we're describing here is the LACK of a Standard -- each company decided in isolation how to implement things like this. I serve on the Standards Committee of Audio Engineering Society, and we develop Standards by consensus, through a process that accepts engineering (and sometimes applications) input from anyone who wishes to participate. Many of our Standards took years to formulate. The situation with ham gear is that, most likely for competitive reasons, each company developed their way of doing things on their own. This happens fairly often in the world of consumer products. Over a period of nearly 20 years, I rarely saw representatives of Japanese companies in Standards meetings, while US and EU companies and users are represented. Indeed, I mostly remember the Japanese companies presenting papers on their new developments. 73, Jim K9YC From KX3.1 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com Fri Mar 2 17:11:07 2018 From: KX3.1 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com (Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT) Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2018 14:11:07 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Advice needed: Remote Station Enhancement In-Reply-To: <3b90eb98-a7ba-f9b1-afce-71a5ce8e6ace@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <6ce3f8dd-a5e7-d6ec-5906-765668169f50@subich.com> <79d6adf4-293b-d42f-fd3a-75edb7af28bc@embarqmail.com> <947B3BEA-2E3B-4A70-BBDE-1D4D4459056B@me.com> <88bf2dd7-2584-f0cc-ae65-d2c57c86169c@subich.com> <07C6D4FB-8A57-4540-B7A9-4352AC8F79E5@me.com> <1519952313241-0.post@n2.nabble.com> <1520027034621-0.post@n2.nabble.com> <3b90eb98-a7ba-f9b1-afce-71a5ce8e6ace@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <56ed0bb7-3eed-1e8a-bd4c-e1b0b10ffedd@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> Actually, we're talking about exactly the same thing. I should have included tags. Sorry for the omission. On 3/2/2018 2:03 PM, Jim Brown wrote: > On 3/2/2018 1:48 PM, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT wrote: >> The nice thing about standards is that there are so many to choose from. > > Actually, what we're describing here is the LACK of a Standard -- each > company decided in isolation how to implement things like this. From lists at subich.com Fri Mar 2 18:17:33 2018 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2018 18:17:33 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Advice needed: Remote Station Enhancement In-Reply-To: <1520027034621-0.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <6ce3f8dd-a5e7-d6ec-5906-765668169f50@subich.com> <79d6adf4-293b-d42f-fd3a-75edb7af28bc@embarqmail.com> <947B3BEA-2E3B-4A70-BBDE-1D4D4459056B@me.com> <88bf2dd7-2584-f0cc-ae65-d2c57c86169c@subich.com> <07C6D4FB-8A57-4540-B7A9-4352AC8F79E5@me.com> <1519952313241-0.post@n2.nabble.com> <1520027034621-0.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: > As far as older Yaesu transceivers are concerned, their design is > proprietary and cannot be brought into the mold without serious > converters (which should frankly be easily constructed by the serious > amateur). Yaesu's transceivers were the *first* to use BCD "band data". As such, it should be incumbent on anyone using that interface to be electrically compatible with Yaesu's interface (source +5/+12V for logic high, open circuit for logic low). Even the amateur DOS based logging software that provided "band data" on a computer LPT port duplicated that interface. Absent any documented standard for the interface, any product developer who claims to support "BCD band data" should be expected to properly emulate the Yaesu "ports" so that their receiver works with any Yaesu transceiver and/or their transceiver properly drives any Yaesu amp (FL-7000/Quadra). The issue is accessory makers who are not +12V tolerant and those who apply voltage to the BCD lines ... and transceiver makers who provide "band data" ports that do not source +5/12V for logic high. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 3/2/2018 4:43 PM, ab2tc wrote: > Hi all, > > Of course this assumes that the sole transmitter on the bus obeys the rules > as well, which is to be an open collector or open drain (or relay contact to > ground). I am sorry if I omitted that point. > > As far as older Yaesu transceivers are concerned, their design is > proprietary and cannot be brought into the mold without serious converters > (which should frankly be easily constructed by the serious amateur). > > My main point is that the amateur community should move towards following > the "standard". If all devices followed that "standard" they would all work > together and there would be no problem with one device powering another. > > AB2TC - Knut > > > ab2tc wrote >> Hi all, >> >> I was reluctant to respond again to this long thread, but I will. >> >> If all receivers on the bus (yes, it is a bus) were to obey the rules to >> have a pullup resistor and a steering diode we would not have the problem >> of >> "false power" to devices on the bus. This would be proper engineering >> practice which has unfortunately been ignored by the the ham community for >> years. >> >> AB2TC- Knut >> >> >> >> -- >> Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto: > >> Elecraft at .qth > >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to > >> lists+1215531472858-365791 at .nabble > > > > > > -- > Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to lists at subich.com > From donwilh at embarqmail.com Fri Mar 2 19:19:31 2018 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2018 19:19:31 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Advice needed: Remote Station Enhancement In-Reply-To: References: <6ce3f8dd-a5e7-d6ec-5906-765668169f50@subich.com> <79d6adf4-293b-d42f-fd3a-75edb7af28bc@embarqmail.com> <947B3BEA-2E3B-4A70-BBDE-1D4D4459056B@me.com> <88bf2dd7-2584-f0cc-ae65-d2c57c86169c@subich.com> <07C6D4FB-8A57-4540-B7A9-4352AC8F79E5@me.com> <1519952313241-0.post@n2.nabble.com> <1520027034621-0.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <2339d228-c4f8-3a5c-05ce-7b73656cf0a7@embarqmail.com> I believe that logic can quickly merge into the idea that "the first to introduce BCD Band Data" will "set the standard". I for one do not believe that is the best approach, and certainly not sufficient to 'set a standard', which may have serious flaws when extended beyond that manufacturer's realm. The Yaesu method (I cannot call it a standard) will inter-operate with other Yaesu gear and 3rd party gear designed to inter-operate with it, but that does not constitute a "standard" The "standard" for data communication has been established in the digital world for many, many years, and pre-dates the Yaesu system. Drivers do not source voltage (they use open collector and open drain devices), and there is one pullup resistor at the end of the signal line - there may be multiple receivers monitoring the signal line, but there can be only one driver active at a time - which for a multiple driver situation means an external source of control is necessary for gating the drivers. I was working with those "rules" when designing computer console circuits for a IBM large system back in 1969, and the same principals had been devised since the advent of IBM SLT logic modules in the late 1950s. So if anyone wants to apply "the first guy sets the standard", I think Yaesu was not the first, but they made the mistake of having the drivers source voltage. That is only practical for very short signal lines and a very limited number of receivers listening on the signal line(s). Efforts to continue the "Yaesu method" will result in further confusion as amateur box to box communications develops further and more and more incorporates design principles previously applied to computer systems and communications lines. Even the IBM terminal communications plugged the "pullup" resistors at only one terminal (they were called line terminators) - at the end of the communications line. That is a long established principle that works even today if done right. What I am saying is that Yaesu did not "do it right" and creates limitations to expansion and the advancement of technology within the amateur community today. So get out the cutters and remove the collector and drain resistors from the Yaesu drivers, and put pullup resistors only at the far end of the lines, and you can have the Yaesu "system" without any of the problems. There are other systems that do allow multiple drivers on the same signalling line(s) - I2C is one example - whichever driver grabs the signalling first gets priority is a simplified version of the operation. Ethernet is another example, but in any of these systems, the protocol must define which driver gets priority. That requires a bit more sophistication than a simple driver on the communication line. I believe the original K3 "did it right" to use open drain drivers on the band data lines - but succumbed to the hue and cry that it did not work with the various versions of the Yaesu system and Elecraft then added pullup resistors to the drivers. The result has been a bastardized "system" that in many cases requires the addition of steering diodes and/or the removal of pullup resistors from external devices to make it work right. 73, Don W3FPR On 3/2/2018 6:17 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: > >> As far as older Yaesu transceivers are concerned, their design is >> proprietary and cannot be brought into the mold without serious >> converters (which should frankly be easily constructed by the serious >> amateur). > Yaesu's transceivers were the *first* to use BCD "band data".? As such, > it should be incumbent on anyone using that interface to be electrically > compatible with Yaesu's interface (source +5/+12V for logic high, open > circuit for logic low).? Even the amateur DOS based logging software > that provided "band data" on a computer LPT port duplicated that > interface. > From fcady at montana.edu Fri Mar 2 20:17:46 2018 From: fcady at montana.edu (Cady, Fred) Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2018 01:17:46 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Advice needed: Remote Station Enhancement In-Reply-To: <2339d228-c4f8-3a5c-05ce-7b73656cf0a7@embarqmail.com> References: <6ce3f8dd-a5e7-d6ec-5906-765668169f50@subich.com> <79d6adf4-293b-d42f-fd3a-75edb7af28bc@embarqmail.com> <947B3BEA-2E3B-4A70-BBDE-1D4D4459056B@me.com> <88bf2dd7-2584-f0cc-ae65-d2c57c86169c@subich.com> <07C6D4FB-8A57-4540-B7A9-4352AC8F79E5@me.com> <1519952313241-0.post@n2.nabble.com> <1520027034621-0.post@n2.nabble.com> , <2339d228-c4f8-3a5c-05ce-7b73656cf0a7@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: Right on Don. 73, Fred KE7X ________________________________ From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net on behalf of Don Wilhelm Sent: Friday, March 2, 2018 5:19 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Advice needed: Remote Station Enhancement I believe that logic can quickly merge into the idea that "the first to introduce BCD Band Data" will "set the standard". I for one do not believe that is the best approach, and certainly not sufficient to 'set a standard', which may have serious flaws when extended beyond that manufacturer's realm. The Yaesu method (I cannot call it a standard) will inter-operate with other Yaesu gear and 3rd party gear designed to inter-operate with it, but that does not constitute a "standard" The "standard" for data communication has been established in the digital world for many, many years, and pre-dates the Yaesu system. Drivers do not source voltage (they use open collector and open drain devices), and there is one pullup resistor at the end of the signal line - there may be multiple receivers monitoring the signal line, but there can be only one driver active at a time - which for a multiple driver situation means an external source of control is necessary for gating the drivers. I was working with those "rules" when designing computer console circuits for a IBM large system back in 1969, and the same principals had been devised since the advent of IBM SLT logic modules in the late 1950s. So if anyone wants to apply "the first guy sets the standard", I think Yaesu was not the first, but they made the mistake of having the drivers source voltage. That is only practical for very short signal lines and a very limited number of receivers listening on the signal line(s). Efforts to continue the "Yaesu method" will result in further confusion as amateur box to box communications develops further and more and more incorporates design principles previously applied to computer systems and communications lines. Even the IBM terminal communications plugged the "pullup" resistors at only one terminal (they were called line terminators) - at the end of the communications line. That is a long established principle that works even today if done right. What I am saying is that Yaesu did not "do it right" and creates limitations to expansion and the advancement of technology within the amateur community today. So get out the cutters and remove the collector and drain resistors from the Yaesu drivers, and put pullup resistors only at the far end of the lines, and you can have the Yaesu "system" without any of the problems. There are other systems that do allow multiple drivers on the same signalling line(s) - I2C is one example - whichever driver grabs the signalling first gets priority is a simplified version of the operation. Ethernet is another example, but in any of these systems, the protocol must define which driver gets priority. That requires a bit more sophistication than a simple driver on the communication line. I believe the original K3 "did it right" to use open drain drivers on the band data lines - but succumbed to the hue and cry that it did not work with the various versions of the Yaesu system and Elecraft then added pullup resistors to the drivers. The result has been a bastardized "system" that in many cases requires the addition of steering diodes and/or the removal of pullup resistors from external devices to make it work right. 73, Don W3FPR On 3/2/2018 6:17 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: > >> As far as older Yaesu transceivers are concerned, their design is >> proprietary and cannot be brought into the mold without serious >> converters (which should frankly be easily constructed by the serious >> amateur). > Yaesu's transceivers were the *first* to use BCD "band data". As such, > it should be incumbent on anyone using that interface to be electrically > compatible with Yaesu's interface (source +5/+12V for logic high, open > circuit for logic low). Even the amateur DOS based logging software > that provided "band data" on a computer LPT port duplicated that > interface. > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to fcady at montana.edu From ccarlon at mac.com Fri Mar 2 21:41:13 2018 From: ccarlon at mac.com (Charles Carlon) Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2018 21:41:13 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Shack project Message-ID: <13871A0C-DB91-4D90-A271-73CAD4DAA67D@mac.com> Time to update and organize the Shack. I currently have Icom 756 Pro III Icom 7100 KX3 with Panadaptor Ameritron 811 Work SSB and digital modes QRP with the KX3 battery and solar Not a contestor and not good enough yet for CW Upgrade options Sell 7100 and buy KPA 100 or Icom 7300 Sell 756 and buy KPA 100 or Icom 7300 Sell both and buy both Really love the KX3 and Px3. The KPA 100 would be good fo field day and field setups but would not be able to connect to the 811 The 7300 would add the panadaptor and be able to connect to the 811 but not have the portable options of the KX3 What do I loose if I give up the 756? Charlie N7CAC Sent from my iPad From lists at subich.com Fri Mar 2 22:56:19 2018 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2018 22:56:19 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Advice needed: Remote Station Enhancement In-Reply-To: <2339d228-c4f8-3a5c-05ce-7b73656cf0a7@embarqmail.com> References: <6ce3f8dd-a5e7-d6ec-5906-765668169f50@subich.com> <79d6adf4-293b-d42f-fd3a-75edb7af28bc@embarqmail.com> <947B3BEA-2E3B-4A70-BBDE-1D4D4459056B@me.com> <88bf2dd7-2584-f0cc-ae65-d2c57c86169c@subich.com> <07C6D4FB-8A57-4540-B7A9-4352AC8F79E5@me.com> <1519952313241-0.post@n2.nabble.com> <1520027034621-0.post@n2.nabble.com> <2339d228-c4f8-3a5c-05ce-7b73656cf0a7@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: It's great to say what should have been done, particularly when the original design is 35+ years old (Yaesu transceiver/FL-7000). It is not practical to make a change to all the legacy hardware so any equipment supporting Yaesu format "Band Data" needs to be designed to be +12V tolerant and any transceiver generating "band Data" needs to source +12V for logic high and provide open circuit (or a weak pull down) for logic low. If a given piece of hardware doesn't meet those specifications, the manufacturer clearly needs to label it as *not compatible* with the Yaesu products. This is not a matter of "standards" as there were none when Yaesu designed its transceivers and amplifier. For many years, those who built their own hardware to interface with the Yaesu rigs built to the Yaesu specification ... and if the current crop of third party hardware was designed to meet Yaesu's specification there would not be an issue of incompatibility with multiple receivers connected to the "Band Data bus". While you may not like the approach of "first to use" setting the "standard", that "standard" has been there for 35+ years. It's a little late to "wish it away" particularly since Yaesu still make transceivers and amplifiers that continue to use "voltage source = logic high/high impedance = logic low". 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 3/2/2018 7:19 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > I believe that logic can quickly merge into the idea that "the first to > introduce BCD Band Data" will "set the standard".? I for one do not > believe that is the best approach, and certainly not sufficient to 'set > a standard', which may have serious flaws when extended beyond that > manufacturer's realm. > > The Yaesu method (I cannot call it a standard) will inter-operate with > other Yaesu gear and 3rd party gear designed to inter-operate with it, > but that does not constitute a "standard" > > The "standard" for data communication has been established in the > digital world for many, many years, and pre-dates the Yaesu system. > > Drivers do not source voltage (they use open collector and open drain > devices), and there is one pullup resistor at the end of the signal line > - there may be multiple receivers monitoring the signal line, but there > can be only one driver active at a time - which for a multiple driver > situation means an external source of control is necessary for gating > the drivers. > I was working with those "rules" when designing computer console > circuits for a IBM large system back in 1969, and the same principals > had been devised since the advent of IBM SLT logic modules in the late > 1950s. > > So if anyone wants to apply "the first guy sets the standard", I think > Yaesu was not the first, but they made the mistake of having the drivers > source voltage.? That is only practical for very short signal lines and > a very limited number of receivers listening on the signal line(s). > > Efforts to continue the "Yaesu method" will result in further confusion > as amateur box to box communications develops further and more and more > incorporates design principles previously applied to computer systems > and communications lines.? Even the IBM terminal communications plugged > the "pullup" resistors at only one terminal (they were called line > terminators) - at the end of the communications line.? That is a long > established principle that works even today if done right.? What I am > saying is that Yaesu did not "do it right" and creates limitations to > expansion and the advancement of technology within the amateur community > today. > > So get out the cutters and remove the collector and drain resistors from > the Yaesu drivers, and put pullup resistors only at the far end of the > lines, and you can have the Yaesu "system" without any of the problems. > > There are other systems that do allow multiple drivers on the same > signalling line(s) - I2C is one example - whichever driver grabs the > signalling first gets priority is a simplified version of the operation. > ?Ethernet is another example, but in any of these systems, the protocol > must define which driver gets priority.? That requires a bit more > sophistication than a simple driver on the communication line. > > I believe the original K3 "did it right" to use open drain drivers on > the band data lines - but succumbed to the hue and cry that it did not > work with the various versions of the Yaesu system and Elecraft then > added pullup resistors to the drivers. > The result has been a bastardized "system" that in many cases requires > the addition of steering diodes and/or the removal of pullup resistors > from external devices to make it work right. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 3/2/2018 6:17 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: >> >>> As far as older Yaesu transceivers are concerned, their design is >>> proprietary and cannot be brought into the mold without serious >>> converters (which should frankly be easily constructed by the serious >>> amateur). >> Yaesu's transceivers were the *first* to use BCD "band data".? As such, >> it should be incumbent on anyone using that interface to be electrically >> compatible with Yaesu's interface (source +5/+12V for logic high, open >> circuit for logic low).? Even the amateur DOS based logging software >> that provided "band data" on a computer LPT port duplicated that >> interface. >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to lists at subich.com From tknorris0001 at gmail.com Fri Mar 2 23:06:41 2018 From: tknorris0001 at gmail.com (Tom Norris) Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2018 21:06:41 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 utility to monitor extended display of characters sent from K3S keyer problem Message-ID: I'm beginning my learning curve with my new K3S Kit (after a trip to Elecraft for them to correct the 400hz filter I put in backwards! Otherwise it was a good, fun build). I'm wanting to practice CW sending and I am able to see my K3S paddle input characters in the K3S VFO B. But I am not able to receive the K3S paddle entered characters in the K3 Utility display. I can enter and transmit characters via the keyboard in the K3 utility, see them in the K3 Utility window and the K3S VFO B. I've tried the various K3S Text Decode settings but was no help. I'm sure it's a setting someplace, I've tried to search the archives but the posts I've found do not address that part of the problem. Thanks, Tom NB5Q From jm-ec at themarvins.org Sat Mar 3 03:12:38 2018 From: jm-ec at themarvins.org (John Marvin) Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2018 01:12:38 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Shack project In-Reply-To: <13871A0C-DB91-4D90-A271-73CAD4DAA67D@mac.com> References: <13871A0C-DB91-4D90-A271-73CAD4DAA67D@mac.com> Message-ID: Charlie, Since the KPA100 is an add-on for the K2, I assume that you mean the KXPA 100. Why can't you drive your 811 with a KXPA100? 73, John AC0ZG On 3/2/2018 7:41 PM, Charles Carlon wrote: > Time to update and organize the Shack. I currently have > > Icom 756 Pro III > Icom 7100 > KX3 with Panadaptor > Ameritron 811 > > Work SSB and digital modes > QRP with the KX3 battery and solar > Not a contestor and not good enough yet for CW > > Upgrade options > Sell 7100 and buy KPA 100 or Icom 7300 > Sell 756 and buy KPA 100 or Icom 7300 > Sell both and buy both > Really love the KX3 and Px3. The KPA 100 would be good fo field day and field setups but would not be able to connect to the 811 > The 7300 would add the panadaptor and be able to connect to the 811 but not have the portable options of the KX3 > > What do I loose if I give up the 756? > > Charlie > N7CAC > > Sent from my iPad > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to jm-ec at themarvins.org From pjalley at me.com Sat Mar 3 07:12:10 2018 From: pjalley at me.com (Philip Alley) Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2018 07:12:10 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] FT8 with KX3 and MacBook Pro Message-ID: <2A1AFEA8-9522-40AF-8D0F-A487D8522438@me.com> Is there a complete ?cookbook? for running FT8 with the KX3+PX3 and a MacBook Pro (w OSX 10.13.3)? I am running MacLogger DX and have ordered a Sabrent USB-C tiny sound card. The WSJT-X is downloaded but not set up yet. My KX3 is already communicating with Maclogger DX via USB. I am unsure about the additional cabling I need and best strategy for rig control. Any suggestions from anyone who has been down this road will be greatly appreciated. TNX Phil AA2EA Louisville From chandlerusm at gmail.com Sat Mar 3 07:22:30 2018 From: chandlerusm at gmail.com (Chuck Chandler) Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2018 06:22:30 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 arrived In-Reply-To: <9E01F906-C355-41CF-AC0F-9B1198A13B18@gmail.com> References: <9E01F906-C355-41CF-AC0F-9B1198A13B18@gmail.com> Message-ID: And, KPA-500 #3484 just moved from the workbench to the operating desk yesterday... and my first QSO with it was also 3C3W on 20 CW. Thanks, Elecraft!! 73 de Chuck, WS1L On Fri, Mar 2, 2018 at 3:00 PM, Carl Yaffey wrote: > #38 arrived today in fine shape. Just worked 3C3W on 20M CW > > > Thanks Elecraft gang! > 73 > > Carl Yaffey K8NU > Recording studio. > cyaffeyNO_SPAM at gmail.com > 614 268 6353, Columbus OH > http://www.carl-yaffey.com > http://www.grassahol.com > http://www.bluesswing.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to chandlerusm at gmail.com > -- =================== Chuck Chandler chandlerusm at gmail.com =================== From bill at w2blc.net Sat Mar 3 08:11:39 2018 From: bill at w2blc.net (Bill) Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2018 08:11:39 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Shack project In-Reply-To: <13871A0C-DB91-4D90-A271-73CAD4DAA67D@mac.com> References: <13871A0C-DB91-4D90-A271-73CAD4DAA67D@mac.com> Message-ID: I cannot advise you on what to do - but: In my mind, the 7300 is affordable and first class (so says Sherewood). It is all in one box with a good display and does everything an HF rig should do without the need of expensive addons (100 Watts, auto tune, SWL coverage, filters). It has been out long enough that it's bugs, quirks, and bad habits are all known. It does not have a K-Pod or extensive macro system (for external rig control). That said, my next purchase will be an IC-7300. Bill W2BLC K-Line From k4to.dave at gmail.com Sat Mar 3 08:27:55 2018 From: k4to.dave at gmail.com (Dave Sublette) Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2018 08:27:55 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] shack project Message-ID: No doubt there are good radios available. But just remember. If it breaks, someone has to fix it. Elecraft is the ONLY manufacturer I know of that will send me an email from support with hints and helpful suggestions BEFORE I contact them. I Went first to TenTec many years ago and then to Elecraft when I couldn't get any help for my other three brands of radios. 73, Dave, K4TO From ccarlon at mac.com Sat Mar 3 08:39:15 2018 From: ccarlon at mac.com (Charles Carlon) Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2018 08:39:15 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] shack project In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47412FE9-4F43-411D-9868-942866629CE7@mac.com> Very good point. I am not sure what my options would be if the 756 broke Charlie Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 3, 2018, at 08:27, Dave Sublette wrote: > > No doubt there are good radios available. But just remember. If it > breaks, someone has to fix it. Elecraft is the ONLY manufacturer I know of > that will send me an email from support with hints and helpful suggestions > BEFORE I contact them. I Went first to TenTec many years ago and then to > Elecraft when I couldn't get any help for my other three brands of radios. > > 73, > > Dave, K4TO > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to ccarlon at mac.com From g4gnx at g4gnx.com Sat Mar 3 08:48:46 2018 From: g4gnx at g4gnx.com (G4GNX) Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2018 13:48:46 -0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Shack project In-Reply-To: References: <13871A0C-DB91-4D90-A271-73CAD4DAA67D@mac.com> Message-ID: Hmmm. Sherwood obviously never tested an IC7300 with a less than optimum antenna or a broadcast station nearby. Our club has a K3 and an IC7300 and we can't use the IC7300 (without external filters and protection) for some special event stations, because there's a local broadcast station nearby and the IC7300's handling capability is abysmal. The K3 has no issues in the same situation. We've also found that the IC7300 internal tuner does not match an un-optimised antenna, whereas the K3 has not failed to find a match so far. To use an external tuner, the IC7300 needs an extra gismo, or you have to switch to FM to tune. OK, the gizmo's are available but they're not built in. K3 - press the TUNE button. You pays your money and takes your choice! 73, Alan. G4GNX -----Original Message----- From: Bill Sent: Saturday, March 3, 2018 1:11 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Shack project I cannot advise you on what to do - but: In my mind, the 7300 is affordable and first class (so says Sherewood). It is all in one box with a good display and does everything an HF rig should do without the need of expensive addons (100 Watts, auto tune, SWL coverage, filters). It has been out long enough that it's bugs, quirks, and bad habits are all known. It does not have a K-Pod or extensive macro system (for external rig control). That said, my next purchase will be an IC-7300. Bill W2BLC K-Line From donwilh at embarqmail.com Sat Mar 3 09:06:55 2018 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2018 09:06:55 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] FT8 with KX3 and MacBook Pro In-Reply-To: <2A1AFEA8-9522-40AF-8D0F-A487D8522438@me.com> References: <2A1AFEA8-9522-40AF-8D0F-A487D8522438@me.com> Message-ID: <8db36e69-33ea-2cfb-88d7-9fe7352175b8@embarqmail.com> Phil, There is no "cookbook" that I am aware of. BUT - FT8 is no different than any other digital mode, although the application software may be a bit different. Connect the soundcard input to the headphone jack and the soundcard output to the MIC input. Connect the KXUSB cable to the computer. Use DATA A mode (not SSB). If you are completely new to digital modes, you might try PSK31 first using FLdigi or Ham Radio Deluxe to get used to it. One last IMPORTANT point - Elecraft radios are different than other manufacturers transceivers. Much of the internet advice (and some software instructions) will tell you to set the power high and use the audio level to control the power. That does NOT work with Elecraft radios. You must first set the audio to produce 4 bars with the 5th bar flashing on the ALC meter. Leave it set there and control the power with the power knob. See the article on my website www.w3fpr.com - scroll down to the bottom of the left column and click on the link. 73, Don W3FPR On 3/3/2018 7:12 AM, Philip Alley wrote: > Is there a complete ?cookbook? for running FT8 with the KX3+PX3 and a MacBook Pro (w OSX 10.13.3)? I am running MacLogger DX and have ordered a Sabrent USB-C tiny sound card. The WSJT-X is downloaded but not set up yet. My KX3 is already communicating with Maclogger DX via USB. > > I am unsure about the additional cabling I need and best strategy for rig control. > > Any suggestions from anyone who has been down this road will be greatly appreciated. > From john at kk9a.com Sat Mar 3 09:10:44 2018 From: john at kk9a.com (john at kk9a.com) Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2018 09:10:44 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] shack project Message-ID: <6e3b293184ff5aea17398ea3d3add118.squirrel@www11.qth.com> Perhaps send the broken 756 to Icom America for repair. But I agree with K4TO that Elecraft customer service and support is second to none. Their email response time is quick and I feel confident that parts for my K3S's will be available for a long time. John KK9A From: Charles Carlon Very good point. I am not sure what my options would be if the 756 broke Charlie > On Mar 3, 2018, at 08:27, Dave Sublette wrote: > > No doubt there are good radios available. But just remember. If it > breaks, someone has to fix it. Elecraft is the ONLY manufacturer I know of > that will send me an email from support with hints and helpful suggestions > BEFORE I contact them. I Went first to TenTec many years ago and then to > Elecraft when I couldn't get any help for my other three brands of radios. > > 73, > > Dave, K4TO From cyaffey at gmail.com Sat Mar 3 09:40:39 2018 From: cyaffey at gmail.com (Carl Yaffey) Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2018 09:40:39 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 and FT8 Message-ID: Tried full power on 20M FT8 this morning in order to work weak Russian. Temp gets as high as 75C. Loud fan kicks in. Hope this is normal. Carl Yaffey K8NU Recording studio. cyaffeyNO_SPAM at gmail.com 614 268 6353, Columbus OH http://www.carl-yaffey.com http://www.grassahol.com http://www.bluesswing.com From n8vz at qth.com Sat Mar 3 10:02:11 2018 From: n8vz at qth.com (=?utf-8?Q?Carl_J=C3=B3n_Denbow?=) Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2018 10:02:11 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 utility to monitor extended display of characters sent from K3S keyer problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Tom! Fancy meeting you here! ;-) 73, Carl N8VZ Sent from my iPhone =========================== Carl J?n Denbow, N8VZ 17 Coventry Lane Athens, Ohio 45701-3718 carl at n8vz.com www.n8vz.com EM89wh IRLP 4533 Echolink 116070 PSK and JT65 Forever! =========================== > On Mar 2, 2018, at 11:06 PM, Tom Norris wrote: > > I'm beginning my learning curve with my new K3S Kit (after a trip to > Elecraft for them to correct the 400hz filter I put in backwards! Otherwise > it was a good, fun build). I'm wanting to practice CW sending and I am able > to see my K3S paddle input characters in the K3S VFO B. But I am not able > to receive the K3S paddle entered characters in the K3 Utility display. I > can enter and transmit characters via the keyboard in the K3 utility, see > them in the K3 Utility window and the K3S VFO B. I've tried the various > K3S Text Decode settings but was no help. I'm sure it's a setting > someplace, I've tried to search the archives but the posts I've found do > not address that part of the problem. > Thanks, Tom NB5Q > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n8vz at qth.com From gdanner12 at gmail.com Sat Mar 3 10:04:49 2018 From: gdanner12 at gmail.com (George Danner) Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2018 10:04:49 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] FT8 with KX3 and MacBook Pro In-Reply-To: <8db36e69-33ea-2cfb-88d7-9fe7352175b8@embarqmail.com> References: <2A1AFEA8-9522-40AF-8D0F-A487D8522438@me.com> <8db36e69-33ea-2cfb-88d7-9fe7352175b8@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <60851A67210C40D7ADE22F2DC2558DF8@GeorgenLouise> Phil, Do use Don's advice on setting up soundcards with Elecraft radios for digital modes. I found this pdf from KA9EAK in setting-up my mobile KX3 for Winmor and packet. For me it is a work in progress as I'm waiting for a couple of connectors to arrive. He uses the term PC - not specifically for a MacPro - but might be helpful: http://www.voyageurlutherie.com/docs/KX2%20Digital%20Mode%20Configuration%20Examples.pdf 73 George AI4VZ From: Don Wilhelm Phil, There is no "cookbook" that I am aware of. BUT - FT8 is no different than any other digital mode, although the application software may be a bit different. Connect the soundcard input to the headphone jack and the soundcard output to the MIC input. Connect the KXUSB cable to the computer. Use DATA A mode (not SSB). If you are completely new to digital modes, you might try PSK31 first using FLdigi or Ham Radio Deluxe to get used to it. One last IMPORTANT point - Elecraft radios are different than other manufacturers transceivers. Much of the internet advice (and some software instructions) will tell you to set the power high and use the audio level to control the power. That does NOT work with Elecraft radios. You must first set the audio to produce 4 bars with the 5th bar flashing on the ALC meter. Leave it set there and control the power with the power knob. See the article on my website www.w3fpr.com - scroll down to the bottom of the left column and click on the link. 73, Don W3FPR On 3/3/2018 7:12 AM, Philip Alley wrote: > Is there a complete ?cookbook? for running FT8 with the KX3+PX3 and a > MacBook Pro (w OSX 10.13.3)? I am running MacLogger DX and have ordered a > Sabrent USB-C tiny sound card. The WSJT-X is downloaded but not set up > yet. My KX3 is already communicating with Maclogger DX via USB. > > I am unsure about the additional cabling I need and best strategy for rig > control. > > Any suggestions from anyone who has been down this road will be greatly > appreciated. > From n6kr at elecraft.com Sat Mar 3 10:48:56 2018 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2018 07:48:56 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Extreme QRPp using the KX2, KX3, K3, or K3S Message-ID: <67FF33D0-C02B-4FF3-AA17-494976BCDCD5@elecraft.com> Power output on the KX2, KX3, K3 and K3S can be set as low as 0.1 W directly using the PWR control. However, you can actually set power output to much lower levels (< 1 milliwatt), with fine control, by turning off ALC in the menu and adjusting the drive level manually. Here?s the recommended procedure for accurately setting power to levels below 0.1 watt: 1. Connect an external milliwatt meter between the transceiver and the antenna or dummy load. If you don?t have such a meter, you can alternatively connect a dummy load (such as the Elecraft DL2) then use an oscilloscope or an RF voltmeter. (The DL2 includes a rectifier so you can just use a DC voltmeter. The manual for the DL2 provides a translation from DC volts to power level.) 2. For most accurate results, bypass the ATU. This is done in the menu on the KX2 and KX3. The K3/K3S has an ATU switch function on the front panel for this purpose. 3. Start with PWR set to 0.1 W and verify that you hit about this level on the external meter. Hold TUNE to generate a continuous carrier. (This automatically switches to CW mode temporarily, even if you?re using a different mode.) Then exit TUNE by tapping XMIT. Note: The 0.1-W level is not well-calibrated at the rig?s internal wattmeter, because this only forward-biases the rig?s SWR detector diodes by a small amount. Also, the SWR (shown on VFO A) will appear as ?--?, because reflected power will be too low to accurately calculate it. 5. Go into the menu and turn off TX ALC. This is done using the TX GAIN menu entry on the KX2 (page 41 of the manual) or KX3 (page 49). Use the CONFIG:TX ALC menu entry on the K3 or K3S (approx. page 66). Note: On all of the rigs, the TECH MD menu entry must be set to ON in order to see the TX GAIN or TX ALC menu entries. This is a precaution to make sure such menu settings are not changed unintentionally. On the KX2 and KX3, you also need to UNLOCK the ALC on/off feature as explained in the manual (MENU section). 6. With ALC turned OFF, the PWR control now directly controls the transmit drive level in fine increments. I just tested my lab KX2 and found I could set the power smoothly down to as low as about 1/2 milliwatt. When you have ALC turned off, the PWR display (on VFO B) will include an asterisk (*) as a reminder. It will not show actual power level for reasons described above. An external metering method will be needed to dial in the desired level. Wayne N6KR From gary at hawkins-zhu.com Sat Mar 3 10:49:59 2018 From: gary at hawkins-zhu.com (Gary Hawkins) Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2018 07:49:59 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Terminal decoding on KX3 paddle generated CW Message-ID: I'm trying to learn CW, in particular the sending part.? I've a KX3 with Elecraft paddle.? When sending, I can see my CW on the VFO B section of the KX3 screen but I was also hoping to view it in the Terminal section of the KX3 Utility program. I could not get this to work and asked Elecraft what I was doing wrong. I learned you cannot view transmitter decoding in the Terminal screen when you send CW directly from the KX3 using a KX3 paddle, as the KX3 does not send serial data out the ACC1 port at the same time it is transmitting, due to limitations with MCU loading. Have others experienced this problem?? How did you overcome the issue.? The only thing I can think of currently is have an app on an ipad/Andriod device listen to the KX3 speaker and decode what I'm sending.? I want to do this so I can see just how good/bad I'm sending for longer transmissions. Best regards, Gary K6YOA From n6kr at elecraft.com Sat Mar 3 11:05:08 2018 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2018 08:05:08 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Terminal decoding on KX3 paddle generated CW In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2C56554A-1BB2-4340-81FC-C191B4D2E2D2@elecraft.com> Gary, There is a way to do this. It works equally well on the K2, K3, K3S, KX2, and KX3. 1. Go into the KX3 Utility ?Command Tester? window. (Or use any terminal emulator application of your choice.) 2. Send the command ?TT1;? to the radio from the computer. This will put the rig into a mode where both transmitted and received characters are outputted to the serial port, including those sent with the keyer paddle or message memories. 3. To turn this mode off, send ?TT0;?. Note that this feature works with the built-in PSK31/PSK63 and RTTY modes of all of the rigs as well. If you decide to try making contacts using CW or the built-in data modes, check out the ?Terminal? function of the Utility. It allows you to use the computer?s keyboard rather than the keyer paddle. 73, Wayne N6KR > On Mar 3, 2018, at 7:49 AM, Gary Hawkins wrote: > > I'm trying to learn CW, in particular the sending part. I've a KX3 with Elecraft paddle. When sending, I can see my CW on the VFO B section of the KX3 screen but I was also hoping to view it in the Terminal section of the KX3 Utility program. I could not get this to work and asked Elecraft what I was doing wrong. > > I learned you cannot view transmitter decoding in the Terminal screen when you send CW directly from the KX3 using a KX3 paddle, as the KX3 does not send serial data out the ACC1 port at the same time it is transmitting, due to limitations with MCU loading. > > Have others experienced this problem? How did you overcome the issue. The only thing I can think of currently is have an app on an ipad/Andriod device listen to the KX3 speaker and decode what I'm sending. I want to do this so I can see just how good/bad I'm sending for longer transmissions. > > Best regards, > > Gary K6YOA From k2asp at kanafi.org Sat Mar 3 11:37:22 2018 From: k2asp at kanafi.org (Phil Kane) Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2018 08:37:22 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] shack project In-Reply-To: <6e3b293184ff5aea17398ea3d3add118.squirrel@www11.qth.com> References: <6e3b293184ff5aea17398ea3d3add118.squirrel@www11.qth.com> Message-ID: <80445cd9-832c-3fd6-4b1d-8244e1fe8666@kanafi.org> > From: Charles Carlon > Very good point. I am not sure what my options would be if the 756 broke and John KK9A replied: > Perhaps send the broken 756 to Icom America for repair. About 5 years ago I needed service on a very high end Icom Communications Receiver that was 20+ years old. IcomAmerica didn't have that the support available but referred me to the retired tech who did "outside work" (their version of Don Wilhelm - no offense, Don!). At least the problems got fixed but not as smoothly as we experience with Elecraft tech support. ---- 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane Elecraft K2/100 s/n 5402 >From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon From bill at w2blc.net Sat Mar 3 12:00:26 2018 From: bill at w2blc.net (Bill) Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2018 12:00:26 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] shack project In-Reply-To: <80445cd9-832c-3fd6-4b1d-8244e1fe8666@kanafi.org> References: <80445cd9-832c-3fd6-4b1d-8244e1fe8666@kanafi.org> Message-ID: <0ffccf6b-fb4b-530b-1d0a-a9b531f860d1@w2blc.net> OK - let me clarify:? The 7300 is a fine little rig. For the price, I doubt if it can beaten. That said, I have been very pleased with my K3 for over six years and if it was to quit tomorrow - I would pick up the phone and order its replacement (K3S) with overnight shipping. Cannot be without it. For example, when others complain about someone up band bleeding over.... I do not hear them bleeding. Goes back to the quality of the receiver in the K3. I do not contest, DX, digital. I just appreciate armchair 160/75/40 rag chew and nets. Ditto on on the service, emails, advice, help, etc. It gets no better than Elecraft. Just recognize that not everyone can afford a desk full of Elecraft and when asked a question it is kind to be honest and thoughtful with your answers. Bill W2BLC K-Line PS: please post your replies (flames) rather than sending them by email. That way, everyone can enjoy the wit. From gary at hawkins-zhu.com Sat Mar 3 12:08:25 2018 From: gary at hawkins-zhu.com (Gary Hawkins) Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2018 09:08:25 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Terminal decoding on KX3 paddle generated CW In-Reply-To: <2C56554A-1BB2-4340-81FC-C191B4D2E2D2@elecraft.com> References: <2C56554A-1BB2-4340-81FC-C191B4D2E2D2@elecraft.com> Message-ID: Hi Wayne, Many thanks for that - this works a treat :). 73, Gary K6YOA On 3/3/2018 8:05 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > Gary, > > There is a way to do this. It works equally well on the K2, K3, K3S, KX2, and KX3. > > 1. Go into the KX3 Utility ?Command Tester? window. (Or use any terminal emulator application of your choice.) > > 2. Send the command ?TT1;? to the radio from the computer. This will put the rig into a mode where both transmitted and received characters are outputted to the serial port, including those sent with the keyer paddle or message memories. > > 3. To turn this mode off, send ?TT0;?. > > Note that this feature works with the built-in PSK31/PSK63 and RTTY modes of all of the rigs as well. > > If you decide to try making contacts using CW or the built-in data modes, check out the ?Terminal? function of the Utility. It allows you to use the computer?s keyboard rather than the keyer paddle. > > 73, > Wayne > N6KR > > > > >> On Mar 3, 2018, at 7:49 AM, Gary Hawkins wrote: >> >> I'm trying to learn CW, in particular the sending part. I've a KX3 with Elecraft paddle. When sending, I can see my CW on the VFO B section of the KX3 screen but I was also hoping to view it in the Terminal section of the KX3 Utility program. I could not get this to work and asked Elecraft what I was doing wrong. >> >> I learned you cannot view transmitter decoding in the Terminal screen when you send CW directly from the KX3 using a KX3 paddle, as the KX3 does not send serial data out the ACC1 port at the same time it is transmitting, due to limitations with MCU loading. >> >> Have others experienced this problem? How did you overcome the issue. The only thing I can think of currently is have an app on an ipad/Andriod device listen to the KX3 speaker and decode what I'm sending. I want to do this so I can see just how good/bad I'm sending for longer transmissions. >> >> Best regards, >> >> Gary K6YOA > > > From w6jhb at me.com Sat Mar 3 13:22:52 2018 From: w6jhb at me.com (James Bennett) Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2018 10:22:52 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] FT8 with KX3 and MacBook Pro In-Reply-To: <2A1AFEA8-9522-40AF-8D0F-A487D8522438@me.com> References: <2A1AFEA8-9522-40AF-8D0F-A487D8522438@me.com> Message-ID: Hi Phil, No cookbook here, but I do have a MacBook Pro / Retina, WSJT-X, and MLDX and occasionally run my KX3 with them. A couple items to consider: ?> Strongly suggest running JTBRIDGE if you do not already have it. It interfaces very, very nicely between WSJT-X and MLDX. Allows, among other things, your completed WSJT-X QSOs to be automatically logged into MLDX. ?> You may run into issues where the audio from WSJT-X output is routed to your MacBook?s internal speakers instead of the external sound card - not a good thing. This is a problem that has been happening for several years sporadically to Mac users. It ?may? be related to something Apple did to USB2 code. There have been several work-arounds posted. One is to try USB3 if your MacBook has it. Another is to set your MIDI output to 44,100 instead of 48,000. And another, the one I use, is a USB to Thunderbolt adapter. My external sound card is a Tascam US-125M with USB output. I got the adapter on Amazon and plug the sound card into the Thunderbolt adapter. Works great. Jim / W6JHB > On Mar 3, 2018, at 4:12 AM, Philip Alley wrote: > > Is there a complete ?cookbook? for running FT8 with the KX3+PX3 and a MacBook Pro (w OSX 10.13.3)? I am running MacLogger DX and have ordered a Sabrent USB-C tiny sound card. The WSJT-X is downloaded but not set up yet. My KX3 is already communicating with Maclogger DX via USB. > > I am unsure about the additional cabling I need and best strategy for rig control. > > Any suggestions from anyone who has been down this road will be greatly appreciated. > > TNX > Phil > AA2EA > Louisville > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to w6jhb at me.com From dennis at mail4life.net Sat Mar 3 14:50:23 2018 From: dennis at mail4life.net (Dennis Moore) Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2018 11:50:23 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 and FT8 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <27c86536-388c-0f1f-5a62-d29b363a025a@mail4life.net> No, 1500 watts on FT8 is not normal. 73, Dennis NJ6G On 3/3/2018 06:40, Carl Yaffey wrote: > Tried full power on 20M FT8 this morning in order to work weak Russian. Temp gets as high as 75C. Loud fan kicks in. Hope this is normal. > > Carl Yaffey K8NU From FlatHat at comcast.net Sat Mar 3 14:57:48 2018 From: FlatHat at comcast.net (Richard) Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2018 14:57:48 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 and FT8 In-Reply-To: <27c86536-388c-0f1f-5a62-d29b363a025a@mail4life.net> References: <27c86536-388c-0f1f-5a62-d29b363a025a@mail4life.net> Message-ID: <0D7E363D-3971-4C37-9286-05CB7234B205@comcast.net> YIKES! I?d say that?s about 30 times what?s considered normal and polite! Richard - W4KBX > On Mar 3, 2018, at 2:50 PM, Dennis Moore wrote: > > No, 1500 watts on FT8 is not normal. > > 73, Dennis NJ6G > > > On 3/3/2018 06:40, Carl Yaffey wrote: >> Tried full power on 20M FT8 this morning in order to work weak Russian. Temp gets as high as 75C. Loud fan kicks in. Hope this is normal. >> >> Carl Yaffey K8NU > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to flathat at comcast.net From n8vz at qth.com Sat Mar 3 15:01:23 2018 From: n8vz at qth.com (=?utf-8?Q?Carl_J=C3=B3n_Denbow?=) Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2018 15:01:23 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 and FT8 In-Reply-To: <27c86536-388c-0f1f-5a62-d29b363a025a@mail4life.net> References: <27c86536-388c-0f1f-5a62-d29b363a025a@mail4life.net> Message-ID: I feel all kinds of guilty if I pump it up to 110 watts on FT8 (or a JT mode) to bag a difficult station. A gallon and a half is down right sinful. ;-) 73, Carl N8VZ Sent from my iPad > On Mar 3, 2018, at 2:50 PM, Dennis Moore wrote: > > No, 1500 watts on FT8 is not normal. > > 73, Dennis NJ6G > > >> On 3/3/2018 06:40, Carl Yaffey wrote: >> Tried full power on 20M FT8 this morning in order to work weak Russian. Temp gets as high as 75C. Loud fan kicks in. Hope this is normal. >> >> Carl Yaffey K8NU > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n8vz at qth.com From FlatHat at comcast.net Sat Mar 3 15:09:04 2018 From: FlatHat at comcast.net (Richard) Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2018 15:09:04 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 and FT8 In-Reply-To: References: <27c86536-388c-0f1f-5a62-d29b363a025a@mail4life.net> Message-ID: <2D04BD0A-5E51-4E48-B686-6A77752FFB4D@comcast.net> I suspect that most guys who feel it?s just fine and dandy to squirt legal limit FT8 signals all over the place have never been on the other end of that kind of inconsideration. Maybe if they saw how it virtually blots out waterfalls and generally makes life unpleasant for those who are following the accepted conventions, they?d have second thoughts. Like maybe a better antenna. Richard - W4KBX > On Mar 3, 2018, at 3:01 PM, Carl J?n Denbow wrote: > > I feel all kinds of guilty if I pump it up to 110 watts on FT8 (or a JT mode) to bag a difficult station. A gallon and a half is down right sinful. ;-) > > 73, > > Carl > N8VZ > > Sent from my iPad > >> On Mar 3, 2018, at 2:50 PM, Dennis Moore wrote: >> >> No, 1500 watts on FT8 is not normal. >> >> 73, Dennis NJ6G >> >> >>> On 3/3/2018 06:40, Carl Yaffey wrote: >>> Tried full power on 20M FT8 this morning in order to work weak Russian. Temp gets as high as 75C. Loud fan kicks in. Hope this is normal. >>> >>> Carl Yaffey K8NU >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to n8vz at qth.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to flathat at comcast.net From N9KY at arrl.net Sat Mar 3 15:09:29 2018 From: N9KY at arrl.net (Chuck Milam, N9KY) Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2018 20:09:29 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 and FT8 In-Reply-To: <0D7E363D-3971-4C37-9286-05CB7234B205@comcast.net> References: <27c86536-388c-0f1f-5a62-d29b363a025a@mail4life.net> <0D7E363D-3971-4C37-9286-05CB7234B205@comcast.net> Message-ID: I see we are about to enter the dead horse beating ceremony over FT8 power levels, as I?ve seen on other groups ad naseum. Suggest checking the FT8 developers? comments on the difference between ?low power? and ?weak signal? modes, before we enter the circular argument process. 73, Chuck, N9KY On Sat, Mar 3, 2018 at 13:59 Richard wrote: > YIKES! I?d say that?s about 30 times what?s considered normal and polite! > > Richard - W4KBX > > > On Mar 3, 2018, at 2:50 PM, Dennis Moore wrote: > > > > No, 1500 watts on FT8 is not normal. > > > > 73, Dennis NJ6G > > > > > > On 3/3/2018 06:40, Carl Yaffey wrote: > >> Tried full power on 20M FT8 this morning in order to work weak Russian. > Temp gets as high as 75C. Loud fan kicks in. Hope this is normal. > >> > >> Carl Yaffey K8NU > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to flathat at comcast.net > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n9ky at arrl.net -- --- Chuck Milam, N9KY N9KY at arrl.net From cyaffey at gmail.com Sat Mar 3 15:22:37 2018 From: cyaffey at gmail.com (Carl Yaffey) Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2018 15:22:37 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 and FT8 In-Reply-To: References: <27c86536-388c-0f1f-5a62-d29b363a025a@mail4life.net> Message-ID: <4F14AB29-568E-4E37-9CCD-523D984F3A7A@gmail.com> Jeez, guys. Gimme a break. It was a TEST! > On Mar 3, 2018, at 3:01 PM, Carl J?n Denbow wrote: > > I feel all kinds of guilty if I pump it up to 110 watts on FT8 (or a JT mode) to bag a difficult station. A gallon and a half is down right sinful. ;-) > > 73, Carl Yaffey K8NU Recording studio. cyaffeyNO_SPAM at gmail.com 614 268 6353, Columbus OH http://www.carl-yaffey.com http://www.grassahol.com http://www.bluesswing.com From kengkopp at gmail.com Sat Mar 3 15:24:57 2018 From: kengkopp at gmail.com (Ken G Kopp) Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2018 20:24:57 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 and FT8 In-Reply-To: References: <27c86536-388c-0f1f-5a62-d29b363a025a@mail4life.net> <0D7E363D-3971-4C37-9286-05CB7234B205@comcast.net> Message-ID: Yes Chuck, almost impossible to counter ignorance ... (;-) 73! K0PP On Sat, Mar 3, 2018, 13:11 Chuck Milam, N9KY wrote: > I see we are about to enter the dead horse beating ceremony over FT8 power > levels, as I?ve seen on other groups ad naseum. Suggest checking the FT8 > developers? comments on the difference between ?low power? and ?weak > signal? modes, before we enter the circular argument process. > > 73, > > Chuck, N9KY > > On Sat, Mar 3, 2018 at 13:59 Richard wrote: > > > YIKES! I?d say that?s about 30 times what?s considered normal and polite! > > > > Richard - W4KBX > > > > > On Mar 3, 2018, at 2:50 PM, Dennis Moore wrote: > > > > > > No, 1500 watts on FT8 is not normal. > > > > > > 73, Dennis NJ6G > > > > > > > > > On 3/3/2018 06:40, Carl Yaffey wrote: > > >> Tried full power on 20M FT8 this morning in order to work weak > Russian. > > Temp gets as high as 75C. Loud fan kicks in. Hope this is normal. > > >> > > >> Carl Yaffey K8NU > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > > Elecraft mailing list > > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > > Message delivered to flathat at comcast.net > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to n9ky at arrl.net > > -- > --- > Chuck Milam, N9KY > N9KY at arrl.net > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to kengkopp at gmail.com From wunder at wunderwood.org Sat Mar 3 15:28:51 2018 From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood) Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2018 12:28:51 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] FT8 with KX3 and MacBook Pro In-Reply-To: References: <2A1AFEA8-9522-40AF-8D0F-A487D8522438@me.com> Message-ID: <7723018E-CF06-4959-957E-BD4C946AEFC8@wunderwood.org> Agreed, you probably want to use JT-Bridge. Read the instructions at the JTBridge site to get the right configurations and the right startup order for JT-Bridge, WSJT-X, and your logging application. http://jt-bridge.eller.nu/ wunder K6WRU Walter Underwood CM87wj http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) > On Mar 3, 2018, at 10:22 AM, James Bennett wrote: > > Hi Phil, > > No cookbook here, but I do have a MacBook Pro / Retina, WSJT-X, and MLDX and occasionally run my KX3 with them. A couple items to consider: > > ?> Strongly suggest running JTBRIDGE if you do not already have it. It interfaces very, very nicely between WSJT-X and MLDX. Allows, among other things, your completed WSJT-X QSOs to be automatically logged into MLDX. > > ?> You may run into issues where the audio from WSJT-X output is routed to your MacBook?s internal speakers instead of the external sound card - not a good thing. This is a problem that has been happening for several years sporadically to Mac users. It ?may? be related to something Apple did to USB2 code. There have been several work-arounds posted. One is to try USB3 if your MacBook has it. Another is to set your MIDI output to 44,100 instead of 48,000. And another, the one I use, is a USB to Thunderbolt adapter. My external sound card is a Tascam US-125M with USB output. I got the adapter on Amazon and plug the sound card into the Thunderbolt adapter. Works great. > > Jim / W6JHB > > > >> On Mar 3, 2018, at 4:12 AM, Philip Alley wrote: >> >> Is there a complete ?cookbook? for running FT8 with the KX3+PX3 and a MacBook Pro (w OSX 10.13.3)? I am running MacLogger DX and have ordered a Sabrent USB-C tiny sound card. The WSJT-X is downloaded but not set up yet. My KX3 is already communicating with Maclogger DX via USB. >> >> I am unsure about the additional cabling I need and best strategy for rig control. >> >> Any suggestions from anyone who has been down this road will be greatly appreciated. >> >> TNX >> Phil >> AA2EA >> Louisville >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to w6jhb at me.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wunder at wunderwood.org From dl1sdz at gmail.com Sat Mar 3 16:05:59 2018 From: dl1sdz at gmail.com (Hajo Dezelski) Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2018 21:05:59 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Extreme QRPp using the KX2, KX3 Message-ID: Hi , wouldn't it be great if there was an additional sensor for the Wattmeter W2 for the Qrp-Guys 1-54 Mhz and 0.01 - 20 Watt? Who needs a 200 Watt version if you only have the Kx-Line ;-) I really would consider buying a qrp-version. 73 de Hajo dl1sdz --- Cela est bien dit, mais il faut cultiver notre jardin. http://hajos-kontrapunkte.blogspot.de/ Wayne Burdick schrieb am Sa., 3. M?rz 2018 16:49: > Power output on the KX2, KX3, K3 and K3S can be set as low as 0.1 W > directly using the PWR control. > > However, you can actually set power output to much lower levels (< 1 > milliwatt), with fine control, by turning off ALC in the menu and adjusting > the drive level manually. > > Here?s the recommended procedure for accurately setting power to levels > below 0.1 watt: > > 1. Connect an external milliwatt meter between the transceiver and the > antenna or dummy load. If you don?t have such a meter, you can > alternatively connect a dummy load (such as the Elecraft DL2) then use an > oscilloscope or an RF voltmeter. (The DL2 includes a rectifier so you can > just use a DC voltmeter. The manual for the DL2 provides a translation from > DC volts to power level.) > > 2. For most accurate results, bypass the ATU. This is done in the menu on > the KX2 and KX3. The K3/K3S has an ATU switch function on the front panel > for this purpose. > > 3. Start with PWR set to 0.1 W and verify that you hit about this level on > the external meter. Hold TUNE to generate a continuous carrier. (This > automatically switches to CW mode temporarily, even if you?re using a > different mode.) Then exit TUNE by tapping XMIT. > > Note: The 0.1-W level is not well-calibrated at the rig?s internal > wattmeter, because this only forward-biases the rig?s SWR detector diodes > by a small amount. Also, the SWR (shown on VFO A) will appear as ?--?, > because reflected power will be too low to accurately calculate it. > > 5. Go into the menu and turn off TX ALC. This is done using the TX GAIN > menu entry on the KX2 (page 41 of the manual) or KX3 (page 49). Use the > CONFIG:TX ALC menu entry on the K3 or K3S (approx. page 66). > > Note: On all of the rigs, the TECH MD menu entry must be set to ON in > order to see the TX GAIN or TX ALC menu entries. This is a precaution to > make sure such menu settings are not changed unintentionally. On the KX2 > and KX3, you also need to UNLOCK the ALC on/off feature as explained in the > manual (MENU section). > > 6. With ALC turned OFF, the PWR control now directly controls the transmit > drive level in fine increments. I just tested my lab KX2 and found I could > set the power smoothly down to as low as about 1/2 milliwatt. > > When you have ALC turned off, the PWR display (on VFO B) will include an > asterisk (*) as a reminder. It will not show actual power level for reasons > described above. An external metering method will be needed to dial in the > desired level. > > Wayne > N6KR > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dl1sdz at gmail.com From rwhitetexas at verizon.net Sat Mar 3 16:07:29 2018 From: rwhitetexas at verizon.net (W5RDW) Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2018 14:07:29 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Error Message help ple In-Reply-To: <55456121.6050304@gmail.com> References: <55456121.6050304@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1520111249203-0.post@n2.nabble.com> Ed, I just got this error message a few minutes ago trying "again" to trouble shoot a possible KIO3B problem. E000202 come on the display and the radio is pretty much locked up. Frequency reluctantly changes, but not much else. Radio was working 95% OK (some SPKR+PH, etc. problems), but otherwise OK. Now, the bottom/right/front side of radio is really hot after a minute of ON. This just started to happen. Something may be shorted in that area (around the corner from the RIT know). D25? 3B7 is coming up in April for #327 confirmed, so I hope I can fix this soon. No other rigs available to me! Roger W5RDW ----- Roger W5RDW -- Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ From rprather at mac.com Sat Mar 3 16:10:06 2018 From: rprather at mac.com (Rick Prather) Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2018 13:10:06 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] FT8 with KX3 and MacBook Pro In-Reply-To: <7723018E-CF06-4959-957E-BD4C946AEFC8@wunderwood.org> References: <2A1AFEA8-9522-40AF-8D0F-A487D8522438@me.com> <7723018E-CF06-4959-957E-BD4C946AEFC8@wunderwood.org> Message-ID: I have used JTBridge and liked it but these days my favorite set up is the combination of WSJT-X and RUMLogNG without JTBridge. After setting up, using the instructions in RUMLog, I am able to see Spots from the Clusters intermixed with local WSJT-x spots in the "DXSpots" window. This allows me use RUMLog's excellent color coding system to decide it I need the Country or Zone in FT8 or any other mode in one window. Clicking a station in WSJT brings it up in RUMLog, shows previous contacts with that station or that Country. Logging is a one click operation that also can be set to upload it to ClubLog and/or LoTW. Makes for a nicely integrated set up. Rick K6LE On Sat, Mar 3, 2018 at 12:28 PM, Walter Underwood wrote: > Agreed, you probably want to use JT-Bridge. Read the instructions at the > JTBridge site to get the right configurations and the right startup order > for JT-Bridge, WSJT-X, and your logging application. > > http://jt-bridge.eller.nu/ > > wunder > K6WRU > Walter Underwood > CM87wj > http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) > > > On Mar 3, 2018, at 10:22 AM, James Bennett wrote: > > > > Hi Phil, > > > > No cookbook here, but I do have a MacBook Pro / Retina, WSJT-X, and MLDX > and occasionally run my KX3 with them. A couple items to consider: > > > > ?> Strongly suggest running JTBRIDGE if you do not already have it. It > interfaces very, very nicely between WSJT-X and MLDX. Allows, among other > things, your completed WSJT-X QSOs to be automatically logged into MLDX. > > > > ?> You may run into issues where the audio from WSJT-X output is routed > to your MacBook?s internal speakers instead of the external sound card - > not a good thing. This is a problem that has been happening for several > years sporadically to Mac users. It ?may? be related to something Apple did > to USB2 code. There have been several work-arounds posted. One is to try > USB3 if your MacBook has it. Another is to set your MIDI output to 44,100 > instead of 48,000. And another, the one I use, is a USB to Thunderbolt > adapter. My external sound card is a Tascam US-125M with USB output. I got > the adapter on Amazon and plug the sound card into the Thunderbolt adapter. > Works great. > > > > Jim / W6JHB > > > > > > > >> On Mar 3, 2018, at 4:12 AM, Philip Alley wrote: > >> > >> Is there a complete ?cookbook? for running FT8 with the KX3+PX3 and a > MacBook Pro (w OSX 10.13.3)? I am running MacLogger DX and have ordered a > Sabrent USB-C tiny sound card. The WSJT-X is downloaded but not set up > yet. My KX3 is already communicating with Maclogger DX via USB. > >> > >> I am unsure about the additional cabling I need and best strategy for > rig control. > >> > >> Any suggestions from anyone who has been down this road will be greatly > appreciated. > >> > >> TNX > >> Phil > >> AA2EA > >> Louisville > >> ______________________________________________________________ > >> Elecraft mailing list > >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >> > >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > >> Message delivered to w6jhb at me.com > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to wunder at wunderwood.org > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to rick.prather at gmail.com > From wb5tuf at comcast.net Sat Mar 3 16:27:57 2018 From: wb5tuf at comcast.net (Glenn Anderson) Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2018 15:27:57 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 and FT8 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I normally run 500 to 600 watts on ft8. I would go higher if my amp could do it.Life too short for QRP!!!! Glenn WB5TUF? -------- Original message --------From: Carl J?n Denbow Date: 3/3/18 14:01 (GMT-06:00) To: Dennis Moore Cc: Elecraft Reflector Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA1500 and FT8 I feel all kinds of guilty if I pump it up to 110 watts on FT8 (or a JT mode) to bag a difficult station.? A gallon and a half is down right sinful. ;-) 73, Carl N8VZ Sent from my iPad > On Mar 3, 2018, at 2:50 PM, Dennis Moore wrote: > > No, 1500 watts on FT8 is not normal. > > 73, Dennis NJ6G > > >> On 3/3/2018 06:40, Carl Yaffey wrote: >> Tried full power on 20M FT8 this morning in order to work weak Russian. Temp gets as high as 75C. Loud fan kicks in. Hope this is normal. >> >> Carl Yaffey? K8NU > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n8vz at qth.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to wb5tuf at comcast.net From n6kr at elecraft.com Sat Mar 3 17:07:16 2018 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2018 14:07:16 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 and FT8 In-Reply-To: <20180303212812.F2AC9149B143@mailman.qth.net> References: <20180303212812.F2AC9149B143@mailman.qth.net> Message-ID: <38639569-09F0-421B-A211-D00EE0671D9D@elecraft.com> To each his own. I run 0.0 watts on FT8, since it?s the next best thing to ESP. I?ve had many a satisfactory, automated, effortless, imaginary QSO on this mode. Wayne N6KR ---- http://www.elecraft.com > On Mar 3, 2018, at 1:27 PM, Glenn Anderson wrote: > > I normally run 500 to 600 watts on ft8. I would go higher if my amp could do it.Life too short for QRP!!!! > Glenn WB5TUF > -------- Original message --------From: Carl J?n Denbow Date: 3/3/18 14:01 (GMT-06:00) To: Dennis Moore Cc: Elecraft Reflector Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA1500 and FT8 > I feel all kinds of guilty if I pump it up to 110 watts on FT8 (or a JT mode) to bag a difficult station. A gallon and a half is down right sinful. ;-) > > 73, > > Carl > N8VZ > > Sent from my iPad > >> On Mar 3, 2018, at 2:50 PM, Dennis Moore wrote: >> >> No, 1500 watts on FT8 is not normal. >> >> 73, Dennis NJ6G >> >> >>> On 3/3/2018 06:40, Carl Yaffey wrote: >>> Tried full power on 20M FT8 this morning in order to work weak Russian. Temp gets as high as 75C. Loud fan kicks in. Hope this is normal. >>> >>> Carl Yaffey K8NU >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to n8vz at qth.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wb5tuf at comcast.net > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n6kr at elecraft.com From n8vz at qth.com Sat Mar 3 17:10:41 2018 From: n8vz at qth.com (=?UTF-8?B?Q2FybCBKw7NuIERlbmJvdw==?=) Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2018 17:10:41 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 and FT8 Message-ID: <5A9B1D61.6030307@qth.com> That's certainly not in the spirit of weak-signal digital modes. Most of us run anywhere from 1 watt to 35 watts. Those are the type of signals that completely wipe out a large segment of the waterfall and make it difficult for others to complete QSOs. There's nothing illegal about what you are doing, but weak signal modes were developed to provide the opportunity to get around the world with just a few watts and a dipole slung in the backyard between two trees. If you want to run that kind of wattage on FT8, I'd recommend trying RTTY instead. High wattage is the norm on that mode. 73, Carl Glenn Anderson wrote: > I normally run 500 to 600 watts on ft8. I would go higher if my amp > could do it. > Life too short for QRP!!!! > > Glenn WB5TUF > > -------- Original message -------- > From: Carl J?n Denbow > Date: 3/3/18 14:01 (GMT-06:00) > To: Dennis Moore > Cc: Elecraft Reflector > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA1500 and FT8 > > I feel all kinds of guilty if I pump it up to 110 watts on FT8 (or a > JT mode) to bag a difficult station. A gallon and a half is down > right sinful. ;-) > > 73, > > Carl > N8VZ > > Sent from my iPad > > > On Mar 3, 2018, at 2:50 PM, Dennis Moore wrote: > > > > No, 1500 watts on FT8 is not normal. > > > > 73, Dennis NJ6G > > > > > >> On 3/3/2018 06:40, Carl Yaffey wrote: > >> Tried full power on 20M FT8 this morning in order to work weak > Russian. Temp gets as high as 75C. Loud fan kicks in. Hope this is normal. > >> > >> Carl Yaffey K8NU > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to n8vz at qth.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wb5tuf at comcast.net -- ================================================= Carl J?n Denbow, N8VZ 17 Coventry Lane Athens, Ohio 45701-3718 carl at n8vz.com www.n8vz.com EM89wh IRLP 4533 Echolink 116070 PSK and JT65 Forever! ================================================= From bill at wjschmidt.com Sat Mar 3 17:14:25 2018 From: bill at wjschmidt.com (Dr. William J. Schmidt) Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2018 16:14:25 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Extreme QRPp using the KX2, KX3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <058501d3b33c$fdd5c010$f9814030$@wjschmidt.com> Yeah... I didn't wait. I built my own... Dr. William J. Schmidt - K9HZ J68HZ 8P6HK ZF2HZ PJ4/K9HZ VP5/K9HZ PJ2/K9HZ Owner - Operator Big Signal Ranch ? K9ZC Staunton, Illinois Owner ? Operator Villa Grand Piton ? J68HZ Soufriere, St. Lucia W.I. Rent it: www.VillaGrandPiton.com Like us on Facebook! Moderator ? North American QRO Yahoo Group. email: bill at wjschmidt.com -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Hajo Dezelski Sent: Saturday, March 3, 2018 3:06 PM To: Wayne Burdick Cc: Elecraft Reflector Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Extreme QRPp using the KX2, KX3 Hi , wouldn't it be great if there was an additional sensor for the Wattmeter W2 for the Qrp-Guys 1-54 Mhz and 0.01 - 20 Watt? Who needs a 200 Watt version if you only have the Kx-Line ;-) I really would consider buying a qrp-version. 73 de Hajo dl1sdz --- Cela est bien dit, mais il faut cultiver notre jardin. http://hajos-kontrapunkte.blogspot.de/ Wayne Burdick schrieb am Sa., 3. M?rz 2018 16:49: > Power output on the KX2, KX3, K3 and K3S can be set as low as 0.1 W > directly using the PWR control. > > However, you can actually set power output to much lower levels (< 1 > milliwatt), with fine control, by turning off ALC in the menu and > adjusting the drive level manually. > > Here?s the recommended procedure for accurately setting power to > levels below 0.1 watt: > > 1. Connect an external milliwatt meter between the transceiver and the > antenna or dummy load. If you don?t have such a meter, you can > alternatively connect a dummy load (such as the Elecraft DL2) then use > an oscilloscope or an RF voltmeter. (The DL2 includes a rectifier so > you can just use a DC voltmeter. The manual for the DL2 provides a > translation from DC volts to power level.) > > 2. For most accurate results, bypass the ATU. This is done in the menu > on the KX2 and KX3. The K3/K3S has an ATU switch function on the front > panel for this purpose. > > 3. Start with PWR set to 0.1 W and verify that you hit about this > level on the external meter. Hold TUNE to generate a continuous > carrier. (This automatically switches to CW mode temporarily, even if > you?re using a different mode.) Then exit TUNE by tapping XMIT. > > Note: The 0.1-W level is not well-calibrated at the rig?s internal > wattmeter, because this only forward-biases the rig?s SWR detector > diodes by a small amount. Also, the SWR (shown on VFO A) will appear > as ?--?, because reflected power will be too low to accurately calculate it. > > 5. Go into the menu and turn off TX ALC. This is done using the TX > GAIN menu entry on the KX2 (page 41 of the manual) or KX3 (page 49). > Use the CONFIG:TX ALC menu entry on the K3 or K3S (approx. page 66). > > Note: On all of the rigs, the TECH MD menu entry must be set to ON in > order to see the TX GAIN or TX ALC menu entries. This is a precaution > to make sure such menu settings are not changed unintentionally. On > the KX2 and KX3, you also need to UNLOCK the ALC on/off feature as > explained in the manual (MENU section). > > 6. With ALC turned OFF, the PWR control now directly controls the > transmit drive level in fine increments. I just tested my lab KX2 and > found I could set the power smoothly down to as low as about 1/2 milliwatt. > > When you have ALC turned off, the PWR display (on VFO B) will include > an asterisk (*) as a reminder. It will not show actual power level for > reasons described above. An external metering method will be needed to > dial in the desired level. > > Wayne > N6KR > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > dl1sdz at gmail.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to bill at wjschmidt.com --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. http://www.avg.com From FlatHat at comcast.net Sat Mar 3 17:27:16 2018 From: FlatHat at comcast.net (Richard) Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2018 17:27:16 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 and FT8 In-Reply-To: <38639569-09F0-421B-A211-D00EE0671D9D@elecraft.com> References: <20180303212812.F2AC9149B143@mailman.qth.net> <38639569-09F0-421B-A211-D00EE0671D9D@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <2017FEEB-F745-4AC7-BFCD-3C1EDC0D69A8@comcast.net> Wayne, I think there?s a song in that. Richard - W4KBX > On Mar 3, 2018, at 5:07 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > > To each his own. > > I run 0.0 watts on FT8, since it?s the next best thing to ESP. I?ve had many a satisfactory, automated, effortless, imaginary QSO on this mode. > > Wayne > N6KR > > ---- > http://www.elecraft.com > >> On Mar 3, 2018, at 1:27 PM, Glenn Anderson wrote: >> >> I normally run 500 to 600 watts on ft8. I would go higher if my amp could do it.Life too short for QRP!!!! >> Glenn WB5TUF >> -------- Original message --------From: Carl J?n Denbow Date: 3/3/18 14:01 (GMT-06:00) To: Dennis Moore Cc: Elecraft Reflector Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA1500 and FT8 >> I feel all kinds of guilty if I pump it up to 110 watts on FT8 (or a JT mode) to bag a difficult station. A gallon and a half is down right sinful. ;-) >> >> 73, >> >> Carl >> N8VZ >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >>> On Mar 3, 2018, at 2:50 PM, Dennis Moore wrote: >>> >>> No, 1500 watts on FT8 is not normal. >>> >>> 73, Dennis NJ6G >>> >>> >>>> On 3/3/2018 06:40, Carl Yaffey wrote: >>>> Tried full power on 20M FT8 this morning in order to work weak Russian. Temp gets as high as 75C. Loud fan kicks in. Hope this is normal. >>>> >>>> Carl Yaffey K8NU >>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to n8vz at qth.com >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to wb5tuf at comcast.net >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to n6kr at elecraft.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to flathat at comcast.net From ccarlon at mac.com Sat Mar 3 17:30:24 2018 From: ccarlon at mac.com (Charles Carlon) Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2018 17:30:24 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] shack project In-Reply-To: <0ffccf6b-fb4b-530b-1d0a-a9b531f860d1@w2blc.net> References: <80445cd9-832c-3fd6-4b1d-8244e1fe8666@kanafi.org> <0ffccf6b-fb4b-530b-1d0a-a9b531f860d1@w2blc.net> Message-ID: <3A5A9DA8-0636-40CC-9750-438D7E8A4C63@mac.com> Did not know I could connect the KXPA 100 to the K3. Still learning the Elecraft line. I think the KXPA 100 is first on my list. Then maybe swap the 756 for the 7300. That way I get a new radio with a panadaptor. I can then start saving for a K3s down the road. Thanks to all for the info Charlie N7CAC Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 3, 2018, at 12:00, Bill wrote: > > OK - let me clarify: The 7300 is a fine little rig. For the price, I doubt if it can beaten. That said, I have been very pleased with my K3 for over six years and if it was to quit tomorrow - I would pick up the phone and order its replacement (K3S) with overnight shipping. Cannot be without it. For example, when others complain about someone up band bleeding over.... I do not hear them bleeding. Goes back to the quality of the receiver in the K3. > > I do not contest, DX, digital. I just appreciate armchair 160/75/40 rag chew and nets. > > Ditto on on the service, emails, advice, help, etc. It gets no better than Elecraft. Just recognize that not everyone can afford a desk full of Elecraft and when asked a question it is kind to be honest and thoughtful with your answers. > > Bill W2BLC K-Line > > PS: please post your replies (flames) rather than sending them by email. That way, everyone can enjoy the wit. > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to ccarlon at mac.com From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Sat Mar 3 17:31:45 2018 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2018 14:31:45 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 and FT8 In-Reply-To: References: <27c86536-388c-0f1f-5a62-d29b363a025a@mail4life.net> <0D7E363D-3971-4C37-9286-05CB7234B205@comcast.net> Message-ID: <52eeaf8a-a00c-bde2-6d1c-d0a46954a3f2@audiosystemsgroup.com> On 3/3/2018 12:09 PM, Chuck Milam, N9KY wrote: > I see we are about to enter the dead horse beating ceremony over FT8 power > levels, as I?ve seen on other groups ad naseum. Suggest checking the FT8 > developers? comments on the difference between ?low power? and ?weak > signal? modes, Exactly right. WSJT modes are designed for WEAK SIGNALS, NOT QRP. Signals can be weak because of poor antenna(s), low TX power, and poor propagation. FT8, JT65, JT9, are designed to pull signals out of noise. If the other station has a high noise level, we may need to run more power for him to decode us. If I'm calling EU on 160 from NorCal, I'm running close to legal limit. On 6M, I run my KPA500 at full power on all modes, including WSJT modes. Yes, it IS good practice to use no more power than necessary, and on some bands, especially higher bands, for a path with decent propagation, 10W may be plenty. Although I often operate legal limit, I also have 170 countries confirmed QRP, a few hours ago worked 3C3W with 5W on 17M CW, and it took less than 10 minutes. It took an hour on 20M RTTY at 1400W. 73, Jim K9YC From wes_n7ws at triconet.org Sat Mar 3 17:40:36 2018 From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes Stewart) Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2018 15:40:36 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 and FT8 In-Reply-To: <38639569-09F0-421B-A211-D00EE0671D9D@elecraft.com> References: <20180303212812.F2AC9149B143@mailman.qth.net> <38639569-09F0-421B-A211-D00EE0671D9D@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <5cbf985a-35bc-21ed-a752-f6ab9e613aab@triconet.org> I believe that I invented the term "imaginary mode".? See the thread: "K3 And WSJT-X FT8 Timing" Wes? N7WS On 3/3/2018 3:07 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > To each his own. > > I run 0.0 watts on FT8, since it?s the next best thing to ESP. I?ve had many a satisfactory, automated, effortless, imaginary QSO on this mode. > > Wayne > N6KR > > ---- > http://www.elecraft.com From tknorris0001 at gmail.com Sat Mar 3 17:55:58 2018 From: tknorris0001 at gmail.com (Tom Norris) Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2018 15:55:58 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Digest, Vol 167, Issue 4 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > > ?I was glad to see Wayne's post describing the fix for my problem, which > should work on the K3S. However, I am still not able to ?get the K3S paddle > input to the K3S keyer to appear in the K3 utility. I see the commands TT1; > or TT0; appear in the Command Tester window but still the K3S paddle keying > does not show up in the K3 Utility Terminal window. > > ?I am following Mr Cady's directions in his K3S and P3 book pgs 53 and > 81... I have re-installed the K3 Utility and retried several times but no > luck. The results remain as I described in my previous post below. > ?Thanks, Tom NB5Q? ? > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2018 21:06:41 -0700 > From: Tom Norris > To: Elecraft List Server > Subject: [Elecraft] K3 utility to monitor extended display of > characters sent from K3S keyer problem > Message-ID: > gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > I'm beginning my learning curve with my new K3S Kit (after a trip to > Elecraft for them to correct the 400hz filter I put in backwards! Otherwise > it was a good, fun build). I'm wanting to practice CW sending and I am able > to see my K3S paddle input characters in the K3S VFO B. But I am not able > to receive the K3S paddle entered characters in the K3 Utility display. I > can enter and transmit characters via the keyboard in the K3 utility, see > them in the K3 Utility window and the K3S VFO B. I've tried the various > K3S Text Decode settings but was no help. I'm sure it's a setting > someplace, I've tried to search the archives but the posts I've found do > not address that part of the problem. > Thanks, Tom NB5Q > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 23 > Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2018 09:08:25 -0800 > From: Gary Hawkins > To: Wayne Burdick > Cc: Elecraft Reflector > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Terminal decoding on KX3 paddle generated CW > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > > Hi Wayne, > > Many thanks for that - this works a treat :). > > 73, > > Gary K6YOA > > > On 3/3/2018 8:05 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > > Gary, > > > > There is a way to do this. It works equally well on the K2, K3, K3S, > KX2, and KX3. > > > > 1. Go into the KX3 Utility ?Command Tester? window. (Or use any terminal > emulator application of your choice.) > > > > 2. Send the command ?TT1;? to the radio from the computer. This will put > the rig into a mode where both transmitted and received characters are > outputted to the serial port, including those sent with the keyer paddle or > message memories. > > > > 3. To turn this mode off, send ?TT0;?. > > > > Note that this feature works with the built-in PSK31/PSK63 and RTTY > modes of all of the rigs as well. > > > > If you decide to try making contacts using CW or the built-in data > modes, check out the ?Terminal? function of the Utility. It allows you to > use the computer?s keyboard rather than the keyer paddle. > > > > 73, > > Wayne > > N6KR > > > **************************************** > From donwilh at embarqmail.com Sat Mar 3 18:02:50 2018 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2018 18:02:50 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] shack project In-Reply-To: <3A5A9DA8-0636-40CC-9750-438D7E8A4C63@mac.com> References: <80445cd9-832c-3fd6-4b1d-8244e1fe8666@kanafi.org> <0ffccf6b-fb4b-530b-1d0a-a9b531f860d1@w2blc.net> <3A5A9DA8-0636-40CC-9750-438D7E8A4C63@mac.com> Message-ID: Charlie, Did you mean the K3 or the KX3? I assume the KX3 since you did not list the K3 previously. In the cable between the KX3 and the KXPA100, there is a box with an RCA jack for Keyout to another amplifier. Just connect that to your amp's Keyin (or PTT) jack, and the 811 amp will key. The relays in that amp may be slow (unless you added the QSK kit), but there are menu adjustments in the KX3 to delay the onset of RF so you do not hot-switch in the amp. You said you have the KX3 and PX3, so you already have a radio with a panadapter (it is just not built in) that will outperform a 7300, particularly in DX and contest situations where you are dealing with many stations in a narrow portion of the band. If you are a casual operator, the 7300 may be adequate for you, but for DXing or contesting, your KX3 will shine, and the PX3 gives you a good look at what is going on around you. With the addition of the KXPA100, you have more capability than with the 7300. BTW, Elecraft product numbers do not have any hyphens or spaces in the model numbers, so it is "KXPA100", not "KXPA 100". 73, Don W3FPR On 3/3/2018 5:30 PM, Charles Carlon wrote: > Did not know I could connect the KXPA 100 to the K3. Still learning the Elecraft line. > I think the KXPA 100 is first on my list. Then maybe swap the 756 for the 7300. That way I get a new radio with a panadaptor. I can then start saving for a K3s down the road. > Thanks to all for the info From paul at paulbaldock.com Sat Mar 3 18:05:34 2018 From: paul at paulbaldock.com (Paul Baldock) Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2018 15:05:34 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 and FT8 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5a9b2a79.06ce620a.a2f15.3edc@mx.google.com> It would be nice if somebody answered the actual question "Is 75C normal ?" Just pretend he was on RTTY.. - Paul At 06:40 AM 3/3/2018, Carl Yaffey wrote: >Tried full power on 20M FT8 this morning in order to work weak >Russian. Temp gets as high as 75C. Loud fan kicks in. Hope this is normal. > >Carl Yaffey K8NU >Recording studio. >cyaffeyNO_SPAM at gmail.com >614 268 6353, Columbus OH >http://www.carl-yaffey.com >http://www.grassahol.com >http://www.bluesswing.com > >______________________________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >Message delivered to paul at paulbaldock.com From wes_n7ws at triconet.org Sat Mar 3 18:08:13 2018 From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes Stewart) Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2018 16:08:13 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 and FT8 In-Reply-To: References: <27c86536-388c-0f1f-5a62-d29b363a025a@mail4life.net> <0D7E363D-3971-4C37-9286-05CB7234B205@comcast.net> Message-ID: <3fcd8572-7efc-d07d-ec1b-456c63b4de79@triconet.org> I'm reminded of the following: A number of years ago one of the members of our local DX club put up a 90' tower on top of a ridge in the Tucson Mountains.? All perfectly legal at the time.? The politically connected Gates Pass Area Neighborhood Association went ballistic.? They coerced (did I mention politically connected) the county Board of Supervisors into proposing an ordinance that would limit towers to the same (34') height of a residence. We hams ponied up about $10K as I recall to hire a savvy lawyer, versed in political shenanigans, and packed the meeting room.? Speakers from the Red Cross, CAP, Sheriff's Dept, Search and Rescue, and a number of hams who had helped in disaster communications, etc made our case. The home owner's association had one representative who held up his cell phone and said to the Supes that he could talk all over the world with it and he didn't need any outdoor antenna. Although there resulted some new building permit requirements, we can still have 100' towers, (and except for 30-meters, can still run 1500 W on FT8.) Wes? N7WS http://tucsoncitizen.com/morgue2/2004/04/14/122382-county-won-t-limit-ham-radio-antennas/ On 3/3/2018 1:09 PM, Chuck Milam, N9KY wrote: > I see we are about to enter the dead horse beating ceremony over FT8 power > levels, as I?ve seen on other groups ad naseum. Suggest checking the FT8 > developers? comments on the difference between ?low power? and ?weak > signal? modes, before we enter the circular argument process. > > 73, > > Chuck, N9KY From donwilh at embarqmail.com Sat Mar 3 18:11:29 2018 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2018 18:11:29 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Digest, Vol 167, Issue 4 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2b600baa-1b9b-edd5-33ec-627b7eaa6e73@embarqmail.com> Tom, Go to the K3 Utility Terminal and in the SEND window, type in "TT1;" and then hit the Enter button. Then key the K3S and you should see your CW decoded. 73, Don W3FPR On 3/3/2018 5:55 PM, Tom Norris wrote: >> >> ?I was glad to see Wayne's post describing the fix for my problem, which >> should work on the K3S. However, I am still not able to ?get the K3S paddle >> input to the K3S keyer to appear in the K3 utility. I see the commands TT1; >> or TT0; appear in the Command Tester window but still the K3S paddle keying >> does not show up in the K3 Utility Terminal window. >> >> ?I am following Mr Cady's directions in his K3S and P3 book pgs 53 and >> 81... I have re-installed the K3 Utility and retried several times but no >> luck. The results remain as I described in my previous post below. >> > ?Thanks, Tom NB5Q? > > > ? >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 5 >> Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2018 21:06:41 -0700 >> From: Tom Norris >> To: Elecraft List Server >> Subject: [Elecraft] K3 utility to monitor extended display of >> characters sent from K3S keyer problem >> Message-ID: >> > gmail.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" >> >> I'm beginning my learning curve with my new K3S Kit (after a trip to >> Elecraft for them to correct the 400hz filter I put in backwards! Otherwise >> it was a good, fun build). I'm wanting to practice CW sending and I am able >> to see my K3S paddle input characters in the K3S VFO B. But I am not able >> to receive the K3S paddle entered characters in the K3 Utility display. I >> can enter and transmit characters via the keyboard in the K3 utility, see >> them in the K3 Utility window and the K3S VFO B. I've tried the various >> K3S Text Decode settings but was no help. I'm sure it's a setting >> someplace, I've tried to search the archives but the posts I've found do >> not address that part of the problem. >> Thanks, Tom NB5Q >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 23 >> Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2018 09:08:25 -0800 >> From: Gary Hawkins >> To: Wayne Burdick >> Cc: Elecraft Reflector >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Terminal decoding on KX3 paddle generated CW >> Message-ID: >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed >> >> Hi Wayne, >> >> Many thanks for that - this works a treat :). >> >> 73, >> >> Gary K6YOA >> >> >> On 3/3/2018 8:05 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote: >>> Gary, >>> >>> There is a way to do this. It works equally well on the K2, K3, K3S, >> KX2, and KX3. >>> >>> 1. Go into the KX3 Utility ?Command Tester? window. (Or use any terminal >> emulator application of your choice.) >>> >>> 2. Send the command ?TT1;? to the radio from the computer. This will put >> the rig into a mode where both transmitted and received characters are >> outputted to the serial port, including those sent with the keyer paddle or >> message memories. >>> >>> 3. To turn this mode off, send ?TT0;?. >>> >>> Note that this feature works with the built-in PSK31/PSK63 and RTTY >> modes of all of the rigs as well. >>> >>> If you decide to try making contacts using CW or the built-in data >> modes, check out the ?Terminal? function of the Utility. It allows you to >> use the computer?s keyboard rather than the keyer paddle. >>> >>> 73, >>> Wayne >>> N6KR >>> >> **************************************** >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to donwilh at embarqmail.com > From ghyoungman at gmail.com Sat Mar 3 18:55:22 2018 From: ghyoungman at gmail.com (GRANT YOUNGMAN) Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2018 18:55:22 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Digest, Vol 167, Issue 4 In-Reply-To: <2b600baa-1b9b-edd5-33ec-627b7eaa6e73@embarqmail.com> References: <2b600baa-1b9b-edd5-33ec-627b7eaa6e73@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: Does this only work with the internal keyer?? > > Go to the K3 Utility Terminal and in the SEND window, type in "TT1;" and then hit the Enter button. > Then key the K3S and you should see your CW decoded. > Grant NQ5T K3 #2091, KX3 #8342 From wglevy at gmail.com Sat Mar 3 18:57:38 2018 From: wglevy at gmail.com (William Levy) Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2018 18:57:38 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] FT 8 Message-ID: As an old dog I am sorry to see that FT8 has become all the rage. I grew up with a few vacuum tubes and a dipole. AM carrier controlled, 5 tube receivers. Loved CW when I had very little. Love SSB with big antennas and towers. FT8 changes the game. No more rag chews. So this is what DX has become. No big power, no big antennas. Someone will write an app that will tell the radio to keep calling cq and log contacts. V.2 of the App will record new prefixes and club log it. I may feel critical as I write this but the future is not mine and all is fair in love and war. Sincerely, Bill N2WL From eric.csuf at gmail.com Sat Mar 3 19:09:06 2018 From: eric.csuf at gmail.com (EricJ) Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2018 16:09:06 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] FT 8 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Here ya go. SV5DKL has done exactly that. This AE5X blog entry is two months ago. http://ae5x.blogspot.com/2018/01/video-fully-automated-ft8-qsos.html Who knows? Hams might have to go back to homebrewing as a hobby. Eric KE6US On 3/3/2018 3:57 PM, William Levy wrote: > As an old dog I am sorry to see that FT8 has become all the rage. > I grew up with a few vacuum tubes and a dipole. AM carrier controlled, 5 > tube receivers. Loved CW when I had very little. Love SSB with big antennas > and towers. > > FT8 changes the game. No more rag chews. So this is what DX has become. No > big power, no big antennas. Someone will write an app that will tell the > radio to keep calling cq and log contacts. V.2 of the App will record new > prefixes and club log it. > > I may feel critical as I write this but the future is not mine and all is > fair in love and war. > > Sincerely, Bill N2WL > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to eric.csuf at gmail.com > From mike.flowers at gmail.com Sat Mar 3 19:11:25 2018 From: mike.flowers at gmail.com (Mike Flowers) Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2018 16:11:25 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] FT 8 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The Old Signalman, seeing the new-fangled telegraph poles and wires stretching off to the horizon, threw down his semaphore flags in disgust. -- Mike Flowers, K6MKF, NCDXC - "It's about DX!" > On Mar 3, 2018, at 3:57 PM, William Levy wrote: > > As an old dog I am sorry to see that FT8 has become all the rage. > I grew up with a few vacuum tubes and a dipole. AM carrier controlled, 5 > tube receivers. Loved CW when I had very little. Love SSB with big antennas > and towers. > > FT8 changes the game. No more rag chews. So this is what DX has become. No > big power, no big antennas. Someone will write an app that will tell the > radio to keep calling cq and log contacts. V.2 of the App will record new > prefixes and club log it. > > I may feel critical as I write this but the future is not mine and all is > fair in love and war. > > Sincerely, Bill N2WL > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to mike.flowers at gmail.com From wes_n7ws at triconet.org Sat Mar 3 19:43:46 2018 From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes Stewart) Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2018 17:43:46 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] FT 8 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Quoting myself in part from an email to my DX club reflector re: FT8 "I think I will set a personal standard, at least for awards purposes, that 1) I will be at the controls of the station. 2) I won't count any QSO that couldn't have been copied on CW. 3)? I won't count any QSO that requires the software to have prior knowledge of the two station calls or could not be copied by an uninterested third party. I'm sure there will be critics who declare that I'm an old fogy who is longing for the return of spark.? Nothing could be further from the truth.? I have worked on the cutting edge of new technologies for years.? But, I also believe that there should be some value added by way of operator skill." Since that time I'm adding 4) If JTAlert pops up with a text message from my QSO partner wherein he tells me what he's copied and what I should send next, I will not complete the QSO. Wes? N7WS On 3/3/2018 4:57 PM, William Levy wrote: > As an old dog I am sorry to see that FT8 has become all the rage. > I grew up with a few vacuum tubes and a dipole. AM carrier controlled, 5 > tube receivers. Loved CW when I had very little. Love SSB with big antennas > and towers. > > FT8 changes the game. No more rag chews. So this is what DX has become. No > big power, no big antennas. Someone will write an app that will tell the > radio to keep calling cq and log contacts. V.2 of the App will record new > prefixes and club log it. > > I may feel critical as I write this but the future is not mine and all is > fair in love and war. > > Sincerely, Bill N2WL From kengkopp at gmail.com Sat Mar 3 19:49:33 2018 From: kengkopp at gmail.com (Ken G Kopp) Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2018 00:49:33 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] FT 8 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Wes! "Operator skill" ... Surely you jest ... 73! K0PP On Sat, Mar 3, 2018, 17:44 Wes Stewart wrote: > Quoting myself in part from an email to my DX club reflector re: FT8 > > "I think I will set a personal standard, at least for awards purposes, > that 1) I > will be at the controls of the station. 2) I won't count any QSO that > couldn't > have been copied on CW. 3) I won't count any QSO that requires the > software to > have prior knowledge of the two station calls or could not be copied by an > uninterested third party. > > I'm sure there will be critics who declare that I'm an old fogy who is > longing > for the return of spark. Nothing could be further from the truth. I have > worked on the cutting edge of new technologies for years. But, I also > believe > that there should be some value added by way of operator skill." > > Since that time I'm adding 4) If JTAlert pops up with a text message from > my QSO > partner wherein he tells me what he's copied and what I should send next, > I will > not complete the QSO. > > Wes N7WS > > > > On 3/3/2018 4:57 PM, William Levy wrote: > > As an old dog I am sorry to see that FT8 has become all the rage. > > I grew up with a few vacuum tubes and a dipole. AM carrier controlled, 5 > > tube receivers. Loved CW when I had very little. Love SSB with big > antennas > > and towers. > > > > FT8 changes the game. No more rag chews. So this is what DX has become. > No > > big power, no big antennas. Someone will write an app that will tell the > > radio to keep calling cq and log contacts. V.2 of the App will record new > > prefixes and club log it. > > > > I may feel critical as I write this but the future is not mine and all is > > fair in love and war. > > > > Sincerely, Bill N2WL > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to kengkopp at gmail.com From n6kr at elecraft.com Sat Mar 3 20:09:31 2018 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2018 17:09:31 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] FT 8 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <92DAE6E3-3A0A-4637-AD31-1AC6218A4F2A@elecraft.com> Seconded. They had to pry the stick-shift out of my hand, too, when my CRV was trashed by a drunk and, valuing gas mileage over sportiness, I got a Prius. Still, I wouldn?t want the self-driving model. Wayne ---- http://www.elecraft.com > On Mar 3, 2018, at 4:43 PM, Wes Stewart wrote: > > Quoting myself in part from an email to my DX club reflector re: FT8 > > "I think I will set a personal standard, at least for awards purposes, that 1) I will be at the controls of the station. 2) I won't count any QSO that couldn't have been copied on CW. 3) I won't count any QSO that requires the software to have prior knowledge of the two station calls or could not be copied by an uninterested third party. > > I'm sure there will be critics who declare that I'm an old fogy who is longing for the return of spark. Nothing could be further from the truth. I have worked on the cutting edge of new technologies for years. But, I also believe that there should be some value added by way of operator skill." > > Since that time I'm adding 4) If JTAlert pops up with a text message from my QSO partner wherein he tells me what he's copied and what I should send next, I will not complete the QSO. > > Wes N7WS > > > >> On 3/3/2018 4:57 PM, William Levy wrote: >> As an old dog I am sorry to see that FT8 has become all the rage. >> I grew up with a few vacuum tubes and a dipole. AM carrier controlled, 5 >> tube receivers. Loved CW when I had very little. Love SSB with big antennas >> and towers. >> >> FT8 changes the game. No more rag chews. So this is what DX has become. No >> big power, no big antennas. Someone will write an app that will tell the >> radio to keep calling cq and log contacts. V.2 of the App will record new >> prefixes and club log it. >> >> I may feel critical as I write this but the future is not mine and all is >> fair in love and war. >> >> Sincerely, Bill N2WL > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n6kr at elecraft.com From n6kr at elecraft.com Sat Mar 3 20:10:51 2018 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2018 17:10:51 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 and FT8 In-Reply-To: <5cbf985a-35bc-21ed-a752-f6ab9e613aab@triconet.org> References: <20180303212812.F2AC9149B143@mailman.qth.net> <38639569-09F0-421B-A211-D00EE0671D9D@elecraft.com> <5cbf985a-35bc-21ed-a752-f6ab9e613aab@triconet.org> Message-ID: <2038195E-C668-4B9D-84C3-CCC74B0D6ADD@elecraft.com> I give you full credit. Wayne ---- http://www.elecraft.com > On Mar 3, 2018, at 2:40 PM, Wes Stewart wrote: > > I believe that I invented the term "imaginary mode". See the thread: "K3 And WSJT-X FT8 Timing" > > Wes N7WS > >> On 3/3/2018 3:07 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: >> To each his own. >> >> I run 0.0 watts on FT8, since it?s the next best thing to ESP. I?ve had many a satisfactory, automated, effortless, imaginary QSO on this mode. >> >> Wayne >> N6KR >> >> ---- >> http://www.elecraft.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n6kr at elecraft.com From rich at wc3t.us Sat Mar 3 20:11:37 2018 From: rich at wc3t.us (rich hurd WC3T) Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2018 20:11:37 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] FT 8 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At the risk of arousing the ire of those who have gone before me, I humbly submit that we have beat the FT8 horse to death - many times over. Nobody's going to be happy about the ultimate answer and it might be best to just let nature take its course, no matter what it is. On Sat, Mar 3, 2018 at 7:49 PM, Ken G Kopp wrote: > Hi Wes! > > "Operator skill" ... > > Surely you jest ... > > 73! > > K0PP > > On Sat, Mar 3, 2018, 17:44 Wes Stewart wrote: > > > Quoting myself in part from an email to my DX club reflector re: FT8 > > > > "I think I will set a personal standard, at least for awards purposes, > > that 1) I > > will be at the controls of the station. 2) I won't count any QSO that > > couldn't > > have been copied on CW. 3) I won't count any QSO that requires the > > software to > > have prior knowledge of the two station calls or could not be copied by > an > > uninterested third party. > > > > I'm sure there will be critics who declare that I'm an old fogy who is > > longing > > for the return of spark. Nothing could be further from the truth. I > have > > worked on the cutting edge of new technologies for years. But, I also > > believe > > that there should be some value added by way of operator skill." > > > > Since that time I'm adding 4) If JTAlert pops up with a text message from > > my QSO > > partner wherein he tells me what he's copied and what I should send next, > > I will > > not complete the QSO. > > > > Wes N7WS > > > > > > > > On 3/3/2018 4:57 PM, William Levy wrote: > > > As an old dog I am sorry to see that FT8 has become all the rage. > > > I grew up with a few vacuum tubes and a dipole. AM carrier controlled, > 5 > > > tube receivers. Loved CW when I had very little. Love SSB with big > > antennas > > > and towers. > > > > > > FT8 changes the game. No more rag chews. So this is what DX has become. > > No > > > big power, no big antennas. Someone will write an app that will tell > the > > > radio to keep calling cq and log contacts. V.2 of the App will record > new > > > prefixes and club log it. > > > > > > I may feel critical as I write this but the future is not mine and all > is > > > fair in love and war. > > > > > > Sincerely, Bill N2WL > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to kengkopp at gmail.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to rich at wc3t.us > -- 72, Rich Hurd / WC3T / DMR: 3142737 PA Army MARS, Northampton County RACES, EPA-ARRL Public Information Officer for Scouting Latitude: 40.761621 Longitude: -75.288988 (40?45.68' N 75?17.33' W) Grid: *FN20is* From dave at nk7z.net Sat Mar 3 20:14:07 2018 From: dave at nk7z.net (Dave Cole (NK7Z)) Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2018 17:14:07 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] FT 8 In-Reply-To: <92DAE6E3-3A0A-4637-AD31-1AC6218A4F2A@elecraft.com> References: <92DAE6E3-3A0A-4637-AD31-1AC6218A4F2A@elecraft.com> Message-ID: On 03/03/2018 05:09 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > Still, I wouldn?t want the self-driving model. > > Wayne ...and still you bought a Prius. :) 73s and thanks, Dave NK7Z https://www.nk7z.net From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Sat Mar 3 20:18:55 2018 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2018 17:18:55 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] FT 8 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 3/3/2018 4:43 PM, Wes Stewart wrote: > I won't count any QSO that requires the software to have prior > knowledge of the two station calls or could not be copied by an > uninterested third party. Misconception alert: WSJT modes do NOT require prior knowledge of any part of the message sent or received. For some modes, WSJT CAN be set to consult a database for what they call a "deep search" function that can reach a dB or two deeper into the noise. I don't know details, but it's my impression that it's used on EME (moonbounce) and for weak signal VHF work. WSJT modes are much like RTTY in signals can be copied by anyone using software that decodes these modes, and like CW, in that they can be copied by anyone with CW skills. :) On 3/3/2018 3:57 PM, William Levy wrote: > FT8 changes the game. No more rag chews. So this is what DX has become. No big power, no big antennas. What passes for ragchewing on HF and VHF/UHF FM bores me to tears (and often turns me off). FWIW, ham radio was never about rag chewing -- rather it IS about radios and antennas and electronics and networks. And on the operating side, I enjoy challenging myself with contesting. YOU may have big antennas (I do now, deep into retirement, but for my first 50 years in ham radio I didn't). Many hams live in cities, towns, and housing developments where they cannot have anything visible. Many hams are surrounded by electronically generated noise. WSJT modes allow us to work 10-20 dB deeper into the noise floor than a very good CW op, giving a ham mired in noise and with limited antennas a chance at playing radio. I see nothing at all wrong with that! 73, Jim K9YC From dl1sdz at gmail.com Sat Mar 3 20:25:15 2018 From: dl1sdz at gmail.com (Hajo Dezelski) Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2018 01:25:15 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Extreme QRPp using the KX2, KX3 In-Reply-To: <058501d3b33c$fdd5c010$f9814030$@wjschmidt.com> References: <058501d3b33c$fdd5c010$f9814030$@wjschmidt.com> Message-ID: Hi Bill, Please explain yourself ... If it is in the range of a normal OM, I would follow ... 73 de Hajo dl1sdz --- Cela est bien dit, mais il faut cultiver notre jardin. http://hajos-kontrapunkte.blogspot.de/ Dr. William J. Schmidt schrieb am Sa., 3. M?rz 2018, 23:14: > Yeah... I didn't wait. I built my own... > > > Dr. William J. Schmidt - K9HZ J68HZ 8P6HK ZF2HZ PJ4/K9HZ VP5/K9HZ PJ2/K9HZ > > Owner - Operator > Big Signal Ranch ? K9ZC > Staunton, Illinois > > Owner ? Operator > Villa Grand Piton ? J68HZ > Soufriere, St. Lucia W.I. > Rent it: www.VillaGrandPiton.com > Like us on Facebook! > > Moderator ? North American QRO Yahoo Group. > > email: bill at wjschmidt.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto: > elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Hajo Dezelski > Sent: Saturday, March 3, 2018 3:06 PM > To: Wayne Burdick > Cc: Elecraft Reflector > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Extreme QRPp using the KX2, KX3 > > Hi , > > wouldn't it be great if there was an additional sensor for the Wattmeter > W2 for the Qrp-Guys 1-54 Mhz and 0.01 - 20 Watt? > > Who needs a 200 Watt version if you only have the Kx-Line ;-) I really > would consider buying a qrp-version. > > 73 de > > Hajo dl1sdz > > --- > Cela est bien dit, mais il faut cultiver notre jardin. > > > http://hajos-kontrapunkte.blogspot.de/ > > > > Wayne Burdick schrieb am Sa., 3. M?rz 2018 16:49: > > > Power output on the KX2, KX3, K3 and K3S can be set as low as 0.1 W > > directly using the PWR control. > > > > However, you can actually set power output to much lower levels (< 1 > > milliwatt), with fine control, by turning off ALC in the menu and > > adjusting the drive level manually. > > > > Here?s the recommended procedure for accurately setting power to > > levels below 0.1 watt: > > > > 1. Connect an external milliwatt meter between the transceiver and the > > antenna or dummy load. If you don?t have such a meter, you can > > alternatively connect a dummy load (such as the Elecraft DL2) then use > > an oscilloscope or an RF voltmeter. (The DL2 includes a rectifier so > > you can just use a DC voltmeter. The manual for the DL2 provides a > > translation from DC volts to power level.) > > > > 2. For most accurate results, bypass the ATU. This is done in the menu > > on the KX2 and KX3. The K3/K3S has an ATU switch function on the front > > panel for this purpose. > > > > 3. Start with PWR set to 0.1 W and verify that you hit about this > > level on the external meter. Hold TUNE to generate a continuous > > carrier. (This automatically switches to CW mode temporarily, even if > > you?re using a different mode.) Then exit TUNE by tapping XMIT. > > > > Note: The 0.1-W level is not well-calibrated at the rig?s internal > > wattmeter, because this only forward-biases the rig?s SWR detector > > diodes by a small amount. Also, the SWR (shown on VFO A) will appear > > as ?--?, because reflected power will be too low to accurately calculate > it. > > > > 5. Go into the menu and turn off TX ALC. This is done using the TX > > GAIN menu entry on the KX2 (page 41 of the manual) or KX3 (page 49). > > Use the CONFIG:TX ALC menu entry on the K3 or K3S (approx. page 66). > > > > Note: On all of the rigs, the TECH MD menu entry must be set to ON in > > order to see the TX GAIN or TX ALC menu entries. This is a precaution > > to make sure such menu settings are not changed unintentionally. On > > the KX2 and KX3, you also need to UNLOCK the ALC on/off feature as > > explained in the manual (MENU section). > > > > 6. With ALC turned OFF, the PWR control now directly controls the > > transmit drive level in fine increments. I just tested my lab KX2 and > > found I could set the power smoothly down to as low as about 1/2 > milliwatt. > > > > When you have ALC turned off, the PWR display (on VFO B) will include > > an asterisk (*) as a reminder. It will not show actual power level for > > reasons described above. An external metering method will be needed to > > dial in the desired level. > > > > Wayne > > N6KR > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > > dl1sdz at gmail.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to bill at wjschmidt.com > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. > http://www.avg.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dl1sdz at gmail.com From n6kr at elecraft.com Sat Mar 3 20:37:36 2018 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2018 17:37:36 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] FT 8 In-Reply-To: References: <92DAE6E3-3A0A-4637-AD31-1AC6218A4F2A@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <46D339A0-427D-4E93-8656-9F7EE4619109@elecraft.com> > > ...and still you bought a Prius. :) ... and I get 60 MPG. I think of it as a QRPmobile (one that sips rather than guzzles fuel), thus rendering it not OT. Wayne > > > 73s and thanks, > Dave > NK7Z > https://www.nk7z.net > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n6kr at elecraft.com From wes_n7ws at triconet.org Sat Mar 3 21:11:42 2018 From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes Stewart) Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2018 19:11:42 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] FT 8 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Offered without comment: http://www.sm2cew.com/jt65.html On 3/3/2018 6:18 PM, Jim Brown wrote: > On 3/3/2018 4:43 PM, Wes Stewart wrote: >> I won't count any QSO that requires the software to have prior knowledge of >> the two station calls or could not be copied by an uninterested third party. > > Misconception alert: WSJT modes do NOT require prior knowledge of any part of > the message sent or received. For some modes, WSJT CAN be set to consult a > database for what they call a "deep search" function that can reach a dB or > two deeper into the noise. I don't know details, but it's my impression that > it's used on EME (moonbounce) and for weak signal VHF work. From wes_n7ws at triconet.org Sat Mar 3 21:15:01 2018 From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes Stewart) Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2018 19:15:01 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] FT 8 In-Reply-To: References: <92DAE6E3-3A0A-4637-AD31-1AC6218A4F2A@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <8936a635-e5c5-0f27-56ce-0b09236cfc3f@triconet.org> Well, he does live on the left coast in N. CA. ;-) Contrast that to one of his engineers who lives in Tucson. He drives a Tesla. Personally, I use all of my electrons powering my Elecraft gear and still burn petrol* in my automobile. Wes? N7WS * I drive an Australian-built Pontiac G8-GT. On 3/3/2018 6:14 PM, Dave Cole (NK7Z) wrote: > On 03/03/2018 05:09 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > > > Still, I wouldn?t want the self-driving model. > > > > Wayne > > ...and still you bought a Prius.? :) > > > 73s and thanks, > Dave > NK7Z > https://www.nk7z.net From burch.craft at gmail.com Sat Mar 3 21:33:14 2018 From: burch.craft at gmail.com (Roger Stein) Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2018 22:33:14 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] FT 8 In-Reply-To: <8936a635-e5c5-0f27-56ce-0b09236cfc3f@triconet.org> References: <92DAE6E3-3A0A-4637-AD31-1AC6218A4F2A@elecraft.com> <8936a635-e5c5-0f27-56ce-0b09236cfc3f@triconet.org> Message-ID: Having a ball using my J-38 racking nice chatty QSO?s on 40 and 80 CW in the Novice Rig Roundup, Google it and come join the fun, all week long!! 73, Roger K7SJ/VE1 Nova Scotia Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 3, 2018, at 10:15 PM, Wes Stewart wrote: > > Well, he does live on the left coast in N. CA. ;-) > > Contrast that to one of his engineers who lives in Tucson. He drives a Tesla. > > Personally, I use all of my electrons powering my Elecraft gear and still burn petrol* in my automobile. > > Wes N7WS > > * I drive an Australian-built Pontiac G8-GT. > >> On 3/3/2018 6:14 PM, Dave Cole (NK7Z) wrote: >> On 03/03/2018 05:09 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: >> >> > Still, I wouldn?t want the self-driving model. >> > >> > Wayne >> >> ...and still you bought a Prius. :) >> >> >> 73s and thanks, >> Dave >> NK7Z >> https://www.nk7z.net > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to burch.craft at gmail.com From anyone1545 at gmail.com Sat Mar 3 21:42:44 2018 From: anyone1545 at gmail.com (Gmail) Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2018 21:42:44 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 and FT8 Message-ID: I recommend reading the manual, looking at the Facebook page etc and looking at what Joe Taylor and the other developers say about using the waterfall to determine signal strength and signal quality. Hint, waterfall signal look overpowered, wide, etc? Turn down receiver RF gain. Ray W8LYJ Sent from my iPad > On Mar 3, 2018, at 18:08, elecraft-request at mailman.qth.net wrote: > > KPA1500 and FT8 From johnae5x at gmail.com Sat Mar 3 21:43:22 2018 From: johnae5x at gmail.com (John Harper) Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2018 20:43:22 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] FT 8 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I think FT8 and, more significantly, FT8's future iterations will add to ham radio in ways that aren't being considered. For example, adding an extra layer to the computer time sync requirement of future modes (and with those computers being on the 'net) could allow DFing of each station worked. Or the exact propagation path could be made known via the time delay in working stations at known locations - was it direct path, LP, gray line or something else? Imagine that info being plotted on a map in almost-real-time by a future version of WSJT. Opens up a lot of possibilities in learning propagation while "our computers work each other". For those who are inherently against this mode and the automation behind it, I don my flamesuit and say that we are hams, not CBers. It doesn't have to be about human QSO's and human contacts - we can also engage in modes that allow the vagaries of propagation and other aspects of radio to be investigated in ways that aren't possible with current modes of communication. John AE5X From dave at nk7z.net Sat Mar 3 21:46:01 2018 From: dave at nk7z.net (Dave Cole (NK7Z)) Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2018 18:46:01 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] FT 8 In-Reply-To: <46D339A0-427D-4E93-8656-9F7EE4619109@elecraft.com> References: <92DAE6E3-3A0A-4637-AD31-1AC6218A4F2A@elecraft.com> <46D339A0-427D-4E93-8656-9F7EE4619109@elecraft.com> Message-ID: That is a cute name for the Prius, the QRP Mobile... 73s and thanks, Dave NK7Z https://www.nk7z.net On 03/03/2018 05:37 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > >> >> ...and still you bought a Prius. :) > > ... and I get 60 MPG. I think of it as a QRPmobile (one that sips rather than guzzles fuel), thus rendering it not OT. > > Wayne > > >> >> >> 73s and thanks, >> Dave >> NK7Z >> https://www.nk7z.net >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to n6kr at elecraft.com From mteberle at mchsi.com Sat Mar 3 22:28:10 2018 From: mteberle at mchsi.com (Michael Eberle) Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2018 21:28:10 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 and FT8 Message-ID: <2fe76d3b-47d3-76c1-2708-c0caca1aae16@mchsi.com> Carl, Not sure about the KPA1500 but I believe the limit on the KPA500 is 90C.? It is normal for the fan to come on and speed up automatically at particular temperatures. I set up some of the macro buttons in the KPA500 utility for various fan speeds.? If I run a high duty cycle digital mode, I will kick the fan up on the highest setting before operating.? Don't think I have had it up to 75C, but it will usually run in the 60s if making lots of back to back QSOs. 73, Mike - KI0HA On 3/3/2018 08:40, Carl Yaffey wrote: > Tried full power on 20M FT8 this morning in order to work weak Russian. Temp gets as high as 75C. Loud fan kicks in. Hope this is normal. > > Carl Yaffey K8NU > Recording studio. > cyaffeyNO_SPAM at gmail.com > 614 268 6353, Columbus OH > http://www.carl-yaffey.com > http://www.grassahol.com > http://www.bluesswing.com > > From nr4c at widomaker.com Sat Mar 3 22:54:10 2018 From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c) Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2018 22:54:10 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 and FT8 In-Reply-To: <5A9B1D61.6030307@qth.com> References: <5A9B1D61.6030307@qth.com> Message-ID: <6D37E389-F947-4C8F-964A-199932CF3F13@widomaker.com> Weak signal is not the same as low power ! Sent from my iPhone ...nr4c. bill > On Mar 3, 2018, at 5:10 PM, Carl J?n Denbow wrote: > > That's certainly not in the spirit of weak-signal digital modes. Most of us run anywhere from 1 watt to 35 watts. Those are the type of signals that completely wipe out a large segment of the waterfall and make it difficult for others to complete QSOs. There's nothing illegal about what you are doing, but weak signal modes were developed to provide the opportunity to get around the world with just a few watts and a dipole slung in the backyard between two trees. If you want to run that kind of wattage on FT8, I'd recommend trying RTTY instead. High wattage is the norm on that mode. > > 73, > > Carl > > Glenn Anderson wrote: >> I normally run 500 to 600 watts on ft8. I would go higher if my amp could do it. >> Life too short for QRP!!!! >> >> Glenn WB5TUF >> >> -------- Original message -------- >> From: Carl J?n Denbow >> Date: 3/3/18 14:01 (GMT-06:00) >> To: Dennis Moore >> Cc: Elecraft Reflector >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA1500 and FT8 >> >> I feel all kinds of guilty if I pump it up to 110 watts on FT8 (or a JT mode) to bag a difficult station. A gallon and a half is down right sinful. ;-) >> >> 73, >> >> Carl >> N8VZ >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> > On Mar 3, 2018, at 2:50 PM, Dennis Moore wrote: >> > >> > No, 1500 watts on FT8 is not normal. >> > >> > 73, Dennis NJ6G >> > >> > >> >> On 3/3/2018 06:40, Carl Yaffey wrote: >> >> Tried full power on 20M FT8 this morning in order to work weak Russian. Temp gets as high as 75C. Loud fan kicks in. Hope this is normal. >> >> >> >> Carl Yaffey K8NU >> > >> > ______________________________________________________________ >> > Elecraft mailing list >> > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> > >> > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> > Message delivered to n8vz at qth.com >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please h From n8vz at qth.com Sat Mar 3 23:35:29 2018 From: n8vz at qth.com (Carl J. Denbow) Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2018 23:35:29 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 and FT8 In-Reply-To: <6D37E389-F947-4C8F-964A-199932CF3F13@widomaker.com> References: <5A9B1D61.6030307@qth.com> <6D37E389-F947-4C8F-964A-199932CF3F13@widomaker.com> Message-ID: <5A9B7791.90107@qth.com> Using 1500 watts on a digital mode (except for RTTY) is unwarranted a bad practice. I've been using the new digital modes since PSK31 started. I was on the bleeding edge of working with PSK in its earliest days. This is the first time I've heard anyone try to justify using that kind of wattage on a weak signal mode. The vast majority of those who use the JT modes (including FT8) consider QRO to be 100 watts. As I said what you are doing is legal, but it does fly in the face of the general consensus among users of these modes. If a poll was taken of users of these modes, I'm quite certain your position would be a distinct minority. 73 de Carl N8VZ > Nr4c > March 3, 2018 at 10:54 PM > Weak signal is not the same as low power ! > > Sent from my iPhone > ...nr4c. bill > > > -- ====================================== *Carl J?n Denbow, N8VZ* 17 Coventry Lane Athens, Ohio 45701-3718 carl at n8vz.com www.n8vz.com EM89wh IRLP 4533 Echolink 116070 PSK and JT65 Forever! ====================================== From w0mu at w0mu.com Sat Mar 3 23:43:19 2018 From: w0mu at w0mu.com (W0MU Mike Fatchett) Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2018 21:43:19 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 and FT8 In-Reply-To: <5A9B7791.90107@qth.com> References: <5A9B1D61.6030307@qth.com> <6D37E389-F947-4C8F-964A-199932CF3F13@widomaker.com> <5A9B7791.90107@qth.com> Message-ID: <90d66c96-b585-2cee-fdf7-aafea6b30eaf@w0mu.com> Weak Signal work on 160m is very different than a band that is wide open.? The key here is clean signals not being over driven. The amount of power being used is not the issue it is how poorly a transmitted signal is. The vast majority do not understand this concept and think FT8 is a QRP mode.? It is not.? Just because the masses thing one way does make it the way it is.? As long as my signal is clean is should not matter how much power I am running.? when the band is wide open to an area you see lots of wide signals, mostly because we have our receivers opened op wide so there is very little filtering going on so front ends start to get overworked. Power is only one factor.? Lets talk about antenna gain as well. Bill was correct? FT8 is a weak signal mode.? It was never created as a low power mode that I have read. W0MU On 3/3/2018 9:35 PM, Carl J. Denbow wrote: > Using 1500 watts on a digital mode (except for RTTY) is unwarranted a > bad practice.? I've been using the new digital modes since PSK31 > started.? I was on the bleeding edge of working with PSK in its > earliest days.? This is the first time I've heard anyone try to > justify using that kind of wattage on a weak signal mode.? The vast > majority of those who use the JT modes (including FT8) consider QRO to > be 100 watts.? As I said what you are doing is legal, but it does fly > in the face of the general consensus among users of these modes.? If a > poll was taken of users of these modes, I'm quite certain your > position would be a distinct minority.? 73 de Carl N8VZ > >> Nr4c >> March 3, 2018 at 10:54 PM >> Weak signal is not the same as low power ! >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> ...nr4c. bill >> >> >> > From w0mu at w0mu.com Sun Mar 4 00:08:06 2018 From: w0mu at w0mu.com (W0MU Mike Fatchett) Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2018 22:08:06 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] FT 8 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <03732254-1c0c-363c-f3a2-709e5f1ff836@w0mu.com> If you like it use it!? If? not move on.? Like packet it is out of the bag.? It is not going back in. FT8 has allowed many people with less than ideal situations to work dx they never had a chance to work before.? This is a good thing no?? People should want to operate and make contacts. I didn't realize that people using a couple of Kc of bandspace was a problem.? At least 100 people can operate in less space than an SSTV signal or SSB signal. I? operated CW in the past, but really loved SSB, today it is the other way around and I also enjoy FT8 as I can operate and work at the same time. Things change, life keep on.? Much to do about nothing. W0MU On 3/3/2018 6:11 PM, rich hurd WC3T wrote: > At the risk of arousing the ire of those who have gone before me, I humbly > submit that we have beat the FT8 horse to death - many times over. > > Nobody's going to be happy about the ultimate answer and it might be best > to just let nature take its course, no matter what it is. > > On Sat, Mar 3, 2018 at 7:49 PM, Ken G Kopp wrote: > >> Hi Wes! >> >> "Operator skill" ... >> >> Surely you jest ... >> >> 73! >> >> K0PP >> >> On Sat, Mar 3, 2018, 17:44 Wes Stewart wrote: >> >>> Quoting myself in part from an email to my DX club reflector re: FT8 >>> >>> "I think I will set a personal standard, at least for awards purposes, >>> that 1) I >>> will be at the controls of the station. 2) I won't count any QSO that >>> couldn't >>> have been copied on CW. 3) I won't count any QSO that requires the >>> software to >>> have prior knowledge of the two station calls or could not be copied by >> an >>> uninterested third party. >>> >>> I'm sure there will be critics who declare that I'm an old fogy who is >>> longing >>> for the return of spark. Nothing could be further from the truth. I >> have >>> worked on the cutting edge of new technologies for years. But, I also >>> believe >>> that there should be some value added by way of operator skill." >>> >>> Since that time I'm adding 4) If JTAlert pops up with a text message from >>> my QSO >>> partner wherein he tells me what he's copied and what I should send next, >>> I will >>> not complete the QSO. >>> >>> Wes N7WS >>> >>> >>> >>> On 3/3/2018 4:57 PM, William Levy wrote: >>>> As an old dog I am sorry to see that FT8 has become all the rage. >>>> I grew up with a few vacuum tubes and a dipole. AM carrier controlled, >> 5 >>>> tube receivers. Loved CW when I had very little. Love SSB with big >>> antennas >>>> and towers. >>>> >>>> FT8 changes the game. No more rag chews. So this is what DX has become. >>> No >>>> big power, no big antennas. Someone will write an app that will tell >> the >>>> radio to keep calling cq and log contacts. V.2 of the App will record >> new >>>> prefixes and club log it. >>>> >>>> I may feel critical as I write this but the future is not mine and all >> is >>>> fair in love and war. >>>> >>>> Sincerely, Bill N2WL >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to kengkopp at gmail.com >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to rich at wc3t.us >> > > From neilz at techie.com Sun Mar 4 00:23:38 2018 From: neilz at techie.com (Neil Zampella) Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2018 00:23:38 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] FT 8 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <89650db8-2151-bf49-dbb5-a19431d6915d@techie.com> Well I'll comment on it. 1.? its from 2009 ... and refers to the old WSJT v6 2.? Its obvious he has not looked at the code for the JT65 decoder Now the system can use the saved data from previous QSOs, but there are so many new users that the only thing its good for is to show whether or not you can classify a call as new or is a previous contact. You can say what you want about the FT8, but it has made many operators who live in marginal locations, with compromised antenna able to use their license once more. Neil, KN3ILZ On 3/3/2018 9:11 PM, Wes Stewart wrote: > Offered without comment: > > http://www.sm2cew.com/jt65.html > > > On 3/3/2018 6:18 PM, Jim Brown wrote: >> On 3/3/2018 4:43 PM, Wes Stewart wrote: >>> I won't count any QSO that requires the software to have prior >>> knowledge of the two station calls or could not be copied by an >>> uninterested third party. >> >> Misconception alert: WSJT modes do NOT require prior knowledge of any >> part of the message sent or received. For some modes, WSJT CAN be set >> to consult a database for what they call a "deep search" function >> that can reach a dB or two deeper into the noise. I don't know >> details, but it's my impression that it's used on EME (moonbounce) >> and for weak signal VHF work. > > From kevinr at coho.net Sun Mar 4 00:40:23 2018 From: kevinr at coho.net (kevinr) Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2018 21:40:23 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Announcement Message-ID: Good Evening, ?? I actually saw sun today.? It has been a while.? The snow has been coming down every day for the last two weeks so a break was nice.? The days are also lasting longer and with that propagation has been getting better.? With all the cold days it feels good to get warm.? Cold fingers don't type very well nor do they work paddles with accuracy no matter the speed.? Often it is easier to run faster because when I slow down my fingers get stuck.? Maybe new hands would be the answer.? Fingers that haven't been broken time and time again would really help :) Please join us tomorrow on: 14050 kHz at 2300z Sunday (3 PM PST Sunday) ? 7045 kHz at 0100z Monday (5 PM PST Sunday) 73, Kevin. KD5ONS _ From frantz at pwpconsult.com Sun Mar 4 02:05:42 2018 From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz) Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2018 23:05:42 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] FT 8 In-Reply-To: <89650db8-2151-bf49-dbb5-a19431d6915d@techie.com> Message-ID: I guess I'm just impure in my ham radio operation. Today I helped the local ARES/RACES group test communications between a possible repeater site and various places in town operating my HT between .1 and 5 watts. Then I went home an fought through a pileup for XR0YD on 40M CW using 850 watts using only the K3's memories. Then I got on FT8 at 100W to try to contact a friend who was in Honduras, but no joy. When I was lucky enough to contact VE2XK on 6M FT8 New Years Eve, I used the K3, 100W and my 160M dipole. He came in at -07 dB and received me at -15 dB, FN06 to CM97. Machine generated signal reports take a lot of the guess work out of how well you're getting out. I found FT8 to be ideal for when I was recovering from cancer therapy. I had no energy and the automatic operation let me be on the air and have some fun. I'm glad my health is back to a state where I have the energy to work a contest. When my wife and I bought a new Subaru Forester, our principle requirement was a manual transmission. Our 1993 Miata has 300K+ miles and a manual transmission. Tomorrow, I plan to get out the straight key and try not embarrass myself too much when I try to check into the CW net. With luck, my schedule and the contest will let me try to check into the SSB net. I don't know how much power I'll run for those checkins. I think my weakest signal situation was when I was activation Kings County for the California QSO party. I had my 10W K3 operating into a Little Tarheel screwdriver antenna on my car operating out of a model parking lot. I made a few 80M SSB QSOs, but every one of the operators I managed to complete a contact with said something like, "You're way down in the noise, but we'll make it work." Many thanks to them. Ham radio is a wonderful hobby, and there are many ways to enjoy it. 73 Bill AE6JV ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz | Security is like Government | Periwinkle (408)356-8506 | services. The market doesn't | 16345 Englewood Ave www.pwpconsult.com | want to pay for them. | Los Gatos, CA 95032 From ch at murgatroid.com Sun Mar 4 02:22:57 2018 From: ch at murgatroid.com (Christopher Hoover) Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2018 23:22:57 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 and FT8 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Wow. That's crazy power for FT8. I'm glad I'm not in Ohio. On Sat, Mar 3, 2018 at 6:40 AM, Carl Yaffey wrote: > Tried full power on 20M FT8 this morning in order to work weak Russian. > Temp gets as high as 75C. Loud fan kicks in. Hope this is normal. > > Carl Yaffey K8NU > Recording studio. > cyaffeyNO_SPAM at gmail.com > 614 268 6353, Columbus OH > http://www.carl-yaffey.com > http://www.grassahol.com > http://www.bluesswing.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to ch at murgatroid.com > From kl7uw at acsalaska.net Sun Mar 4 04:26:59 2018 From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole) Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2018 00:26:59 -0900 Subject: [Elecraft] FT 8 Message-ID: <201803040927.w249R2KX010467@mail47c28.carrierzone.com> I haven't yet used FT8, but 15-years use of JT65 on 2m-em (and 6m & 23cm eme). FT8 and JT65 plus other variants are for making basic contacts where one exchanges call signs and signal reports (and grid squares for some contests). Not really designed for any conversation. This satisfies DXer's and contesters, grid chasers, etc. Note: deep-search is used with marginally weak signals to speed up decoding (adds about 2-3 dB sensitivity). Basically is a listing of all eme stations worldwide so the software does not have to look for all random possibilities of call signs. Some feel this is a kind of cheating and have deep-search off during contests. QRA is a new digital mode that is purportedly more sensitive without use of the call sign list. I agree that contests should require operator interface real-time (no auto contesting). Contesting is supposed to be a test of station capability and the operator's skill. But I enjoy a nice chat on phone on occasion and only RTTY and psk-31 have sufficed as digital equivalent. There are some digital modes that work like e-mail but are not real-time exchange. A new mode is being explored called WSQ which may offer a digital alternative to CW/phone. Quite a bit of its use on 630m! My 630m antenna is hung up at this point so cannot fully raise it. Having sat-TV guy out soon and might convince him to get wires cleared on the roof if he needs to adjust the dish. I'm not allowed to climb anymore. 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com Dubus-NA Business mail: dubususa at gmail.com From ve2fww at globetrotter.net Sun Mar 4 07:35:54 2018 From: ve2fww at globetrotter.net (NOEL POULIN) Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2018 07:35:54 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 AND BAND DECODER Message-ID: <8ffb6660-ca30-81cf-a982-c05b0aa1efcb@globetrotter.net> Hello, I would like to use a band decoder with the KX3. Here is my setup for now. KX3...+plus logging software(using cat) +skimmer,also using cat) Now I want to add a ban decoder to the KX3... I do not want to use Win4k3. I would like to use a band decoder for example BandMaster3, or StationMaster. What would be the easiest way....to have a band decoder... so all use the same cat port.... Thanks for the input.. ??? Noel From dave at nk7z.net Sun Mar 4 07:41:14 2018 From: dave at nk7z.net (Dave Cole (NK7Z)) Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2018 04:41:14 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 and FT8 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I run mine in black and white, makes for much more detail, but I also run my P3 in B/W. It really makes things visible. 73s and thanks, Dave NK7Z https://www.nk7z.net On 03/03/2018 06:42 PM, Gmail wrote: > I recommend reading the manual, looking at the Facebook page etc and looking at what Joe Taylor and the other developers say about using the waterfall to determine signal strength and signal quality. > Hint, waterfall signal look overpowered, wide, etc? Turn down receiver RF gain. > Ray > W8LYJ > > Sent from my iPad > >> On Mar 3, 2018, at 18:08, elecraft-request at mailman.qth.net wrote: >> >> KPA1500 and FT8 > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dave at nk7z.net > From w2up at comcast.net Sun Mar 4 08:33:00 2018 From: w2up at comcast.net (Barry) Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2018 06:33:00 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] A momentary BAT LOW warning Message-ID: <1520170380244-0.post@n2.nabble.com> Was playing around in the contest last night and noticed BAT LOW momentarily flash across the screen. I'm using a 70A Astron supply with very little else on it. Power connector is tight. ANy thoughts? Tnx, Barry W2UP -- Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ From kenk3iu at cox.net Sun Mar 4 08:42:39 2018 From: kenk3iu at cox.net (Ken Wagner K3IU) Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2018 08:42:39 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] A momentary BAT LOW warning In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Check BAT MIN in the Config menu. Default is 11 Volts but is adjustable On 3/4/2018 8:33 AM, Barry wrote: > Was playing around in the contest last night and noticed BAT LOW momentarily > flash across the screen. I'm using a 70A Astron supply with very little > else on it. Power connector is tight. ANy thoughts? > > Tnx, > Barry W2UP > > > > -- > Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to kenk3iu at cox.net > From lists at subich.com Sun Mar 4 09:10:44 2018 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2018 09:10:44 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 AND BAND DECODER In-Reply-To: <8ffb6660-ca30-81cf-a982-c05b0aa1efcb@globetrotter.net> References: <8ffb6660-ca30-81cf-a982-c05b0aa1efcb@globetrotter.net> Message-ID: <09acbe33-24f1-a363-4385-1a0f2ace2028@subich.com> > What would be the easiest way....to have a band decoder... so all use > the same cat port.... microHAM USB Device Router provides two virtual serial (CAT) ports when used with microHAM Station Master. The primary CAT port can be used for your logging software, the secondary CAT port can be used for OmniRig (CW Skimmer). Alternatively, since your logger (Win-Test) can use OmniRig as its rig driver, you can connect both the logger and CW Skimmer to OmniRig and use only the primary CAT port. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 3/4/2018 7:35 AM, NOEL POULIN wrote: > Hello, > I would like to use a band decoder with the KX3. > Here is my setup for now. > KX3...+plus logging software(using cat) +skimmer,also using cat) > Now I want to add a ban decoder to the KX3... > I do not want to use Win4k3. > I would like to use a band decoder for example BandMaster3, or > StationMaster. > What would be the easiest way....to have a band decoder... so all use > the same cat port.... > Thanks for the input.. > ??? Noel > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to lists at subich.com From ed at w0yk.com Sun Mar 4 09:18:57 2018 From: ed at w0yk.com (Ed W0YK) Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2018 06:18:57 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 and FT8 In-Reply-To: <5A9B7791.90107@qth.com> Message-ID: Using 1500 watts in a digital mode like FT8 "may be" an unwarranted bad practice, but none of the reasons cited here is justification for prohibiting the practice.? It's like arguing that compromised antennas and unfavorable QTHs "should " only use QRP because that's common practice.? The amount of power used in any situation should? be no more than needed to achieve reliable communication.? ?Because FT8 is an effective weak signal mode, the need for high power should be far less frequent than other modes, but that's not justification for prohibiting high power. The reason for restricting power level to that needed for reliable communication is to minimize QRM to neighboring QSOs.? That may mean that while the use of high power FT8 may be required for a specific QSO, it may be inappropriate within the same audio sub-band?where many other FT8 users will be negatively impacted. 73,Ed W0YK -------- Original message --------From: "Carl J. Denbow" Date: 3/3/18 8:35 PM (GMT-08:00) To: Nr4c Cc: Elecraft Reflector Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA1500 and FT8 Using 1500 watts on a digital mode (except for RTTY) is unwarranted a bad practice.? I've been using the new digital modes since PSK31 started.? I was on the bleeding edge of working with PSK in its earliest days.? This is the first time I've heard anyone try to justify using that kind of wattage on a weak signal mode.? The vast majority of those who use the JT modes (including FT8) consider QRO to be 100 watts.? As I said what you are doing is legal, but it does fly in the face of the general consensus among users of these modes.? If a poll was taken of users of these modes, I'm quite certain your position would be a distinct minority.? 73 de Carl N8VZ > Nr4c > March 3, 2018 at 10:54 PM > Weak signal is not the same as low power ! > > Sent from my iPhone > ...nr4c. bill > > > -- ====================================== *Carl J?n Denbow, N8VZ* 17 Coventry Lane Athens, Ohio 45701-3718 carl at n8vz.com www.n8vz.com EM89wh IRLP 4533 Echolink 116070 PSK and JT65 Forever! ====================================== ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ed at w0yk.com From alsopb at comcast.net Sun Mar 4 09:22:03 2018 From: alsopb at comcast.net (brian) Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2018 14:22:03 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] FT8 it's about ERP, not power. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5A9C010B.8090207@comcast.net> I beg forgiveness from those of you with big antennas up high. We are stuck with essentially dummy load antennas showing A/B reverse beacon net comparisons showing about 12-15 dB down from stations with a tribander up 50'. There is no hope for improving antennas due to CC&R's unless someone can supply me with a cloak of invisibility. I have no qualms about running enough legal power to be nearly competitive in ERP with "legitimate FT8 power", tribander antenna gain stations. Operator skill isn't something that can compensate much if at all in FT8. You do have to be heard. 73 de Brian/K3KO On 3/4/2018 7:22 AM, Christopher Hoover wrote: > Wow. That's crazy power for FT8. I'm glad I'm not in Ohio. > > > From w2up at comcast.net Sun Mar 4 09:27:24 2018 From: w2up at comcast.net (Barry) Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2018 07:27:24 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] A momentary BAT LOW warning In-Reply-To: References: <1520170380244-0.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1520173644759-0.post@n2.nabble.com> Yes, BAT MIN is set for 11, and my metered Astron is about 14, Barry W2UP -- Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ From smithda9 at yahoo.com Sun Mar 4 10:34:34 2018 From: smithda9 at yahoo.com (Dana Smith) Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2018 10:34:34 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Ft-8 Message-ID: <7e610cdd-9382-ba8b-d12b-08797416e239@yahoo.com> Ladies and Gentlemen, ???? I view FT-8 like stamp collecting.? You get the QSO you post it and you move on.? If you use eQSL you can download a QSL card of your QSO, admire it just like a stamp collection and have fun. It's not for rag chewing, just collecting.? I actually enjoy all modes of communication and my KX3 is great at all of it. Dana KM4TIX From w2up at comcast.net Sun Mar 4 11:03:13 2018 From: w2up at comcast.net (Barry) Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2018 09:03:13 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] A momentary BAT LOW warning In-Reply-To: <1520173644759-0.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1520170380244-0.post@n2.nabble.com> <1520173644759-0.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1520179393304-0.post@n2.nabble.com> In transmit, the voltage was dropping from 13.3 to about 11 at the radio. The ground wire side of the power cable had worked loose within its terminal lug at the power supply, causing excess drop. Reattached and now the drop is just a few tenths of a volt. Problem solved. Barry W2UP -- Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ From JLoewner at JLoewnerEDV.com Sun Mar 4 11:29:15 2018 From: JLoewner at JLoewnerEDV.com (Juergen Loewner) Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2018 16:29:15 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft P3 screen is flickering Message-ID: P3 lower half (waterfall) is sporadicly cleared and rebuild (Slow waterfall rebuild)). I have no idea why. Switching waterfall off and the complete P3 screen is flickering (very fast rebuild). Can somebody tell me how I can avoid this? 73 Juergen DK2PG From donwilh at embarqmail.com Sun Mar 4 11:53:50 2018 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2018 11:53:50 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] A momentary BAT LOW warning In-Reply-To: <1520179393304-0.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1520170380244-0.post@n2.nabble.com> <1520173644759-0.post@n2.nabble.com> <1520179393304-0.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <512bff6d-1a3b-3cff-188f-1d44a4f968e9@embarqmail.com> Thanks for that information. This is just one example of those things that are first blamed on some fault in the rig turns out to be a fault with something connected to the rig. That is not limited to Elecraft gear - it can happen with any rig. 73, Don W3FPR On 3/4/2018 11:03 AM, Barry wrote: > In transmit, the voltage was dropping from 13.3 to about 11 at the radio. > The ground wire side of the power cable had worked loose within its terminal > lug at the power supply, causing excess drop. Reattached and now the drop > is just a few tenths of a volt. Problem solved. From k6xk at ncn.net Sun Mar 4 13:12:45 2018 From: k6xk at ncn.net (Roy Koeppe) Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2018 12:12:45 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] momentary batt low Message-ID: <3D26E385678F4ADD89739BE5E379A80E@ROYKOEPPEHP> Rule #1: alus look for simple things foist Roy K6XK From john at kk9a.com Sun Mar 4 13:19:41 2018 From: john at kk9a.com (john at kk9a.com) Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2018 13:19:41 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] A momentary BAT LOW warning Message-ID: <002d01d3b3e5$5defddc0$19cf9940$@com> I use the same power supply to power two K3S's except I use 8ga wire instead of the Elecraft supplied cable. The Astron 70 amp supply has 1/4-20 lugs which seem to make a very secure connection so I am wondering what worked loose. John KK9A From: Barry w2up at comcast.net In transmit, the voltage was dropping from 13.3 to about 11 at the radio. The ground wire side of the power cable had worked loose within its terminal lug at the power supply, causing excess drop. Reattached and now the drop is just a few tenths of a volt. Problem solved. Barry W2UP From frantz at pwpconsult.com Sun Mar 4 13:27:40 2018 From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz) Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2018 10:27:40 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] A momentary BAT LOW warning In-Reply-To: <512bff6d-1a3b-3cff-188f-1d44a4f968e9@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: Yup. I found a similar problem in my solar charging system. There was a large loss in the curent/voltage meter. I found it because the inline auto fuse holders were warm to the touch. It confused the charge controller leading to slow charging. I'm still trying to come up with a good fix, but now I just remove the meter from the system. 73 Bill AE6JV On 3/4/18 at 8:53 AM, donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) wrote: >Thanks for that information. This is just one example of those >things that are first blamed on some fault in the rig turns out >to be a fault with something connected to the rig. > >That is not limited to Elecraft gear - it can happen with any rig. > >73, >Don W3FPR > >On 3/4/2018 11:03 AM, Barry wrote: >>In transmit, the voltage was dropping from 13.3 to about 11 at the radio. >>The ground wire side of the power cable had worked loose within its terminal >>lug at the power supply, causing excess drop. Reattached and now the drop >>is just a few tenths of a volt. Problem solved. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz | Concurrency is hard. 12 out | Periwinkle (408)356-8506 | 10 programmers get it wrong. | 16345 Englewood Ave www.pwpconsult.com | - Jeff Frantz | Los Gatos, CA 95032 From w2up at comcast.net Sun Mar 4 13:31:27 2018 From: w2up at comcast.net (Barry) Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2018 11:31:27 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] A momentary BAT LOW warning In-Reply-To: <002d01d3b3e5$5defddc0$19cf9940$@com> References: <002d01d3b3e5$5defddc0$19cf9940$@com> Message-ID: <1520188287994-0.post@n2.nabble.com> John, I wasn't using the Astron-supplied lug. I crimped another lug onto the cable. Somehow, the wire within the crimp worked itself loose, after 10+ years. Barry W2UP -- Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ From gordon.lapoint at gmail.com Sun Mar 4 14:26:11 2018 From: gordon.lapoint at gmail.com (Gordon LaPoint) Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2018 14:26:11 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K2 kit building problem Message-ID: I'm building a K2 kit and I have a problem.? I'm starting the Alignment and Test, Part III on page 77-78.?? I have no rf out.? I have followed the rf through the tx chain and have a good signal at (RF board) Q5 collector (800mv P-P) using a 400Mhz scope.? I have a signal on Q6 base, but nothing on the collector.? The DC voltage (in TX) at Q6 is 12.0 Collector, 1.8VDC base and 0 on emitter.? I don't see anything wrong DC wise, is it likley that Q6 is bad?? What else should I look for?? With the radio off the R at Q6 emitter to ground is 1.8ohms, that looks normal, so I don't have any current flow in Q6, it looks like. Thanks, Gordon - N1MGO From ebasilier at cox.net Sun Mar 4 14:58:52 2018 From: ebasilier at cox.net (Erik Basilier) Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2018 12:58:52 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 and FT8 Message-ID: <017301d3b3f3$38e25c20$aaa71460$@cox.net> Use of more power than necessary is likely to bother someone who is using the same frequency in a different locale. There seems to be a large majority of digital modes operators that object to the use of high power. The reason seems to be that they have been taught to use a wide receiver in combination with a sound card, so as to get a panoramic view including other stations. This lets a strong nearby station control the agc, and affects reception of stations on a range of frequencies. This negates the dearly paid for capability of our Elecraft radios, which we bought in part because they can eliminate the influence of strong nearby signals. Sure, the ease and cheapness of getting on digital modes with just a soundcard and a wide receiver helps bring many into the hobby. The large majority of digital users that use such a setup do benefit if every station is equally strong, so that agc never makes a gain adjustment (or manual rf gain never needs to change). However, that goal will never be reached, as common natural causes will affect signal strength even more than the difference between a a 30W station and a 1500W station. The operator that has a separate panadapter like the P3 that is independent of the radio selectivity and agc system, or an SDR radio that knows to take agc from one station at a time, needs not have any problem with high-powered stations nearby. The many op's that look down on high power operation for certain digital modes are in effect saying: Don't make this hobby into an unfair competition by giving an advantage to those that spend on their setup beyond the cheap, wide ssb rig plus soundcard. This is opposite to what applies to traditional modes. It goes against the natural pursuit of higher performance through improvement of equipment (at a price). Maybe it is wise to let these anti-progress kids have their sandbox undisturbed. There is much to be said for allowing different sub-hobbies for different tastes and pocketbooks. But getting there would be easier accomplished if the proponents would admit their motives and stop implying that communication with certain modes doesn't get better with higher power, like happens with any other modes. 73, Erik K7TV From donwilh at embarqmail.com Sun Mar 4 15:10:53 2018 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2018 15:10:53 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K2 kit building problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <99c421d6-d65e-54ab-1eca-010b5b468cdc@embarqmail.com> Gordon, It is doubtful (but possible) that Q6 is bad. Did it overheat when you powered up? - if it did, you would most likely have seen a wisp of smoke. How large is the signal at the base of Q6 when you have 800mV P-P on the collector of Q5? The base voltage on Q6 is higher than normal, it should be around 1.1 volts. I would suggest you check all components in the base circuit of Q6 first. 73, Don W3FPR On 3/4/2018 2:26 PM, Gordon LaPoint wrote: > I'm building a K2 kit and I have a problem.? I'm starting the Alignment > and Test, Part III on page 77-78.?? I have no rf out.? I have followed > the rf through the tx chain and have a good signal at (RF board) Q5 > collector (800mv P-P) using a 400Mhz scope.? I have a signal on Q6 base, > but nothing on the collector.? The DC voltage (in TX) at Q6 is 12.0 > Collector, 1.8VDC base and 0 on emitter.? I don't see anything wrong DC > wise, is it likley that Q6 is bad?? What else should I look for?? With > the radio off the R at Q6 emitter to ground is 1.8ohms, that looks > normal, so I don't have any current flow in Q6, it looks like. From gordon.lapoint at gmail.com Sun Mar 4 15:39:40 2018 From: gordon.lapoint at gmail.com (Gordon LaPoint) Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2018 15:39:40 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K2 kit building problem In-Reply-To: <99c421d6-d65e-54ab-1eca-010b5b468cdc@embarqmail.com> References: <99c421d6-d65e-54ab-1eca-010b5b468cdc@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <69832d3e-add1-f8a0-5c4e-378f1b077186@gmail.com> Don, ????? I have about 220mv P-P on the base of Q6.? I'm off to check all the components in the base ckt of Q6, with just DC on the collector.? This is in Tune with the Power out set to 2W. Thanks, Gordon - N1MGO On 3/4/2018 3:10 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > Gordon, > > It is doubtful (but possible) that Q6 is bad.? Did it overheat when > you powered up? - if it did, you would most likely have seen a wisp of > smoke. > > How large is the signal at the base of Q6 when you have 800mV P-P on > the collector of Q5? > > The base voltage on Q6 is higher than normal, it should be around 1.1 > volts.? I would suggest you check all components in the base circuit > of Q6 first. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 3/4/2018 2:26 PM, Gordon LaPoint wrote: >> I'm building a K2 kit and I have a problem.? I'm starting the >> Alignment and Test, Part III on page 77-78.?? I have no rf out.? I >> have followed the rf through the tx chain and have a good signal at >> (RF board) Q5 collector (800mv P-P) using a 400Mhz scope.? I have a >> signal on Q6 base, but nothing on the collector.? The DC voltage (in >> TX) at Q6 is 12.0 Collector, 1.8VDC base and 0 on emitter.? I don't >> see anything wrong DC wise, is it likley that Q6 is bad?? What else >> should I look for?? With the radio off the R at Q6 emitter to ground >> is 1.8ohms, that looks normal, so I don't have any current flow in >> Q6, it looks like. From dave at nk7z.net Sun Mar 4 15:53:24 2018 From: dave at nk7z.net (Dave Cole (NK7Z)) Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2018 12:53:24 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 and FT8 In-Reply-To: <017301d3b3f3$38e25c20$aaa71460$@cox.net> References: <017301d3b3f3$38e25c20$aaa71460$@cox.net> Message-ID: I run with the AGC off, and the audio limiter set carefully... I control gain via the RF gain control. If a strong station pops on, I use the notch, if a really decent DX station is calling me, I narrow the filters to show just that station... I can operate with a station one mile away, running 100 W on FT8 with no issues... 73s and thanks, Dave NK7Z https://www.nk7z.net On 03/04/2018 11:58 AM, Erik Basilier wrote: > Use of more power than necessary is likely to bother someone who is using > the same frequency in a different locale. > There seems to be a large majority of digital modes operators that object to > the use of high power. > The reason seems to be that they have been taught to use a wide receiver in > combination with a sound card, so as to get a panoramic view including other > stations. This lets a strong nearby station control the agc, and affects > reception of stations on a range of frequencies. This negates the dearly > paid for capability of our Elecraft radios, which we bought in part because > they can eliminate the influence of strong nearby signals. Sure, the ease > and cheapness of getting on digital modes with just a soundcard and a wide > receiver helps bring many into the hobby. The large majority of digital > users that use such a setup do benefit if every station is equally strong, > so that agc never makes a gain adjustment (or manual rf gain never needs to > change). However, that goal will never be reached, as common natural causes > will affect signal strength even more than the difference between a a 30W > station and a 1500W station. The operator that has a separate panadapter > like the P3 that is independent of the radio selectivity and agc system, or > an SDR radio that knows to take agc from one station at a time, needs not > have any problem with high-powered stations nearby. The many op's that look > down on high power operation for certain digital modes are in effect saying: > Don't make this hobby into an unfair competition by giving an advantage to > those that spend on their setup beyond the cheap, wide ssb rig plus > soundcard. This is opposite to what applies to traditional modes. It goes > against the natural pursuit of higher performance through improvement of > equipment (at a price). Maybe it is wise to let these anti-progress kids > have their sandbox undisturbed. There is much to be said for allowing > different sub-hobbies for different tastes and pocketbooks. But getting > there would be easier accomplished if the proponents would admit their > motives and stop implying that communication with certain modes doesn't get > better with higher power, like happens with any other modes. > > 73, > Erik K7TV > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dave at nk7z.net > From gordon.lapoint at gmail.com Sun Mar 4 16:02:09 2018 From: gordon.lapoint at gmail.com (Gordon LaPoint) Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2018 16:02:09 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K2 kit building problem In-Reply-To: <99c421d6-d65e-54ab-1eca-010b5b468cdc@embarqmail.com> References: <99c421d6-d65e-54ab-1eca-010b5b468cdc@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <59bb6bc1-ca65-2bb6-542e-82f67df6377c@gmail.com> I have checked all the components on the top of the RF board around Q6.?? I have not removed the heatsink yet to check C122 and the other components on the bottom of the board.? Resistance checks show that R48 and R50 are correct.? The DC voltages on Q6 should show some emitter voltage when in TX, but the emitter is at 0VDC.? The 1.8VDC on the base, with 12VDC on the collector is trying to tell us something, maybe no current flow in the transistor? ? I have not seen or felt any evidence of overheating on any component in the radio, at any time. Gordon - N1MGO On 3/4/2018 3:10 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > Gordon, > > It is doubtful (but possible) that Q6 is bad.? Did it overheat when > you powered up? - if it did, you would most likely have seen a wisp of > smoke. > > How large is the signal at the base of Q6 when you have 800mV P-P on > the collector of Q5? > > The base voltage on Q6 is higher than normal, it should be around 1.1 > volts.? I would suggest you check all components in the base circuit > of Q6 first. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 3/4/2018 2:26 PM, Gordon LaPoint wrote: >> I'm building a K2 kit and I have a problem.? I'm starting the >> Alignment and Test, Part III on page 77-78.?? I have no rf out.? I >> have followed the rf through the tx chain and have a good signal at >> (RF board) Q5 collector (800mv P-P) using a 400Mhz scope.? I have a >> signal on Q6 base, but nothing on the collector.? The DC voltage (in >> TX) at Q6 is 12.0 Collector, 1.8VDC base and 0 on emitter.? I don't >> see anything wrong DC wise, is it likley that Q6 is bad?? What else >> should I look for?? With the radio off the R at Q6 emitter to ground >> is 1.8ohms, that looks normal, so I don't have any current flow in >> Q6, it looks like. From g4gnx at g4gnx.com Sun Mar 4 16:04:09 2018 From: g4gnx at g4gnx.com (G4GNX) Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2018 21:04:09 -0000 Subject: [Elecraft] 2 meter Linear and ALC with K3 In-Reply-To: <69832d3e-add1-f8a0-5c4e-378f1b077186@gmail.com> References: <99c421d6-d65e-54ab-1eca-010b5b468cdc@embarqmail.com> <69832d3e-add1-f8a0-5c4e-378f1b077186@gmail.com> Message-ID: <58B407656ACA4B3C8C9A8BEAD4E26F58@G4GNXLaptop> I'm about to build a linear amplifier for 2 meters and the design I've chosen sends a negative voltage to the driving rig's ALC line to inhibit RF input, whilst the linear goes through a TX sequence. In view of the way that ALC is used differently with the K3S and KPA500, does the use of ALC in this way seem feasible for use with the K144XV transverter? Has anybody done this? 73, Alan. G4GNX From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Sun Mar 4 16:15:03 2018 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2018 13:15:03 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 and FT8 In-Reply-To: <017301d3b3f3$38e25c20$aaa71460$@cox.net> References: <017301d3b3f3$38e25c20$aaa71460$@cox.net> Message-ID: On 3/4/2018 11:58 AM, Erik Basilier wrote: > The reason seems to be that they have been taught to use a wide receiver in > combination with a sound card, so as to get a panoramic view including other > stations. This lets a strong nearby station control the agc, and affects > reception of stations on a range of frequencies. There is a VERY good reason why WSJT developer, K1JT, advises users to use wide IF bandwidth, and it's NOT the panoramic display. The reason is that filters introduce phase shift in the passband, and phase shift is the enemy of good decoding. The same physics, by the way, applies to other digital modes, including RTTY. Serious RTTY contesters have learned that 500 Hz is a good setting. Our ears may hear off-frequency QRM louder than the signal we're trying to detect, but the decoder does just fine. This is true of both WSJT and other decoders I use for RTTY. Indeed, even though a strong signal may APPEAR to cover much of the display, if the strong signal is? CLEAN and you have your receive audio levels to the computer set to that the strong signal doesn't overload the computer, the decoder is likely to copy signals that appear to be covered by it. If you consider AGC pumping a problem, simply turn it off. FWIW, with both FT8 and RTTY, I keep AGC on Slow, and set WSJT-X for an indicated level as high as 50 dB, using the RF Gain. With this setting, if a strong signal reduces gain in the radio, weak signals will still be strong enough at the computer to be decoded. I mostly use WSJT-X on 6M and 160M, but the few times I've gone to FT8 on HF to work a DX trip, I've more than filled the 36 slots in JTAlert. So I guess it's working. :) 73, Jim K9YC From donwilh at embarqmail.com Sun Mar 4 16:20:12 2018 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2018 16:20:12 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K2 kit building problem In-Reply-To: <69832d3e-add1-f8a0-5c4e-378f1b077186@gmail.com> References: <99c421d6-d65e-54ab-1eca-010b5b468cdc@embarqmail.com> <69832d3e-add1-f8a0-5c4e-378f1b077186@gmail.com> Message-ID: <713fa4ba-1e69-8355-3e0d-081d4f657b35@embarqmail.com> Gordon, That amount of RF is about (with 800mV on the Q5 collector). I am close to agreeing with you about a bad Q6, but do the checks I mentioned anyway. If you do find out Q6 is the culprit -- if this is a kit less than 1 year old, contact support at elecraft and ask for a replacement. If more than 1 year old (or you were not the original purchaser), it is not under warranty and you will have to pay for the part - contact the sales office to do that (make sure you have the part number handy). They will need payment information. The phone number is 831-763-4211. The minimum parts order is $5. Get a replacement for Q10 at the same time, just in case. 73, Don W3FPR On 3/4/2018 3:39 PM, Gordon LaPoint wrote: > Don, > ????? I have about 220mv P-P on the base of Q6.? I'm off to check all > the components in the base ckt of Q6, with just DC on the collector. > This is in Tune with the Power out set to 2W. > > Thanks, > Gordon - N1MGO > > On 3/4/2018 3:10 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: >> Gordon, >> >> It is doubtful (but possible) that Q6 is bad.? Did it overheat when >> you powered up? - if it did, you would most likely have seen a wisp of >> smoke. >> >> How large is the signal at the base of Q6 when you have 800mV P-P on >> the collector of Q5? >> >> The base voltage on Q6 is higher than normal, it should be around 1.1 >> volts.? I would suggest you check all components in the base circuit >> of Q6 first. >> >> 73, >> Don W3FPR >> >> On 3/4/2018 2:26 PM, Gordon LaPoint wrote: >>> I'm building a K2 kit and I have a problem.? I'm starting the >>> Alignment and Test, Part III on page 77-78.?? I have no rf out.? I >>> have followed the rf through the tx chain and have a good signal at >>> (RF board) Q5 collector (800mv P-P) using a 400Mhz scope.? I have a >>> signal on Q6 base, but nothing on the collector.? The DC voltage (in >>> TX) at Q6 is 12.0 Collector, 1.8VDC base and 0 on emitter.? I don't >>> see anything wrong DC wise, is it likley that Q6 is bad?? What else >>> should I look for?? With the radio off the R at Q6 emitter to ground >>> is 1.8ohms, that looks normal, so I don't have any current flow in >>> Q6, it looks like. > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to donwilh at embarqmail.com From phil.m0tzz at gmail.com Sun Mar 4 16:20:37 2018 From: phil.m0tzz at gmail.com (Phil Moore M0TZZ) Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2018 21:20:37 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] FT8 etc Message-ID: <28E6971C-4FC2-433D-A14C-624523BAE21C@gmail.com> I joined this group to find out about my K3... there are other groups apparently! My 2c. 73 Phil M0TZZ From donwilh at embarqmail.com Sun Mar 4 16:34:14 2018 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2018 16:34:14 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] 2 meter Linear and ALC with K3 In-Reply-To: <58B407656ACA4B3C8C9A8BEAD4E26F58@G4GNXLaptop> References: <99c421d6-d65e-54ab-1eca-010b5b468cdc@embarqmail.com> <69832d3e-add1-f8a0-5c4e-378f1b077186@gmail.com> <58B407656ACA4B3C8C9A8BEAD4E26F58@G4GNXLaptop> Message-ID: Alan, I would strongly recommend you use the Transmit Inhibit in the ACC connector instead (pin 7). See page 21 of the K3S manual and page 66 for the menu (note it is a Tech mode entry). If you do not have a contact to either ground or +5v in that amplifier, You may have to devise an intervening circuit to provide either ground or +5v to ACC pin 7. You should not apply a negative voltage to that pin. 73, Don W3FPR On 3/4/2018 4:04 PM, G4GNX wrote: > I'm about to build a linear amplifier for 2 meters and the design I've > chosen sends a negative voltage to the driving rig's ALC line to inhibit > RF input, whilst the linear goes through a TX sequence. > > In view of the way that ALC is used differently with the K3S and KPA500, > does the use of ALC in this way seem feasible for use with the K144XV > transverter? > From donwilh at embarqmail.com Sun Mar 4 16:48:26 2018 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2018 16:48:26 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] FT8 etc In-Reply-To: <28E6971C-4FC2-433D-A14C-624523BAE21C@gmail.com> References: <28E6971C-4FC2-433D-A14C-624523BAE21C@gmail.com> Message-ID: <11df71d4-5cbd-026d-2c1d-54213a534f0c@embarqmail.com> Phil, Questions about your K3 and any other Elecraft product are quite welcome. This reflector covers all Elecraft products as well as problems owners encounter when using them. FT8 is causing some confusion for owners new to digital modes, and that is why it is currently producing a lot of questions - we are trying to help. Stick around and you can glean a lot of information from this group, not only about your K3, but a lot more too. If you have specific questions about your K3, post away. If you just want a general overview of the K3, your best resource is the Owner's manual, or for an educational expansion on some of the "whys" about the K3 and its operation, try the Fred Cady book on the K3 (a printed version is sold by Elecraft) or you can download the .pdf from Lulu - there is a cost for that book. 73, Don W3FPR On 3/4/2018 4:20 PM, Phil Moore M0TZZ wrote: > I joined this group to find out about my K3... there are other groups apparently! > > My 2c. 73 Phil M0TZZ > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to donwilh at embarqmail.com > From ebasilier at cox.net Sun Mar 4 17:00:11 2018 From: ebasilier at cox.net (Erik Basilier) Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2018 15:00:11 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 and FT8 In-Reply-To: References: <017301d3b3f3$38e25c20$aaa71460$@cox.net> Message-ID: <017a01d3b404$2b0086c0$81019440$@cox.net> Jim, I totally agree about the choice of bandwidth for RTTY, i.e. wider than what one would first assume based on the frequency shift. The same surely applies to PSK and WSJT modes too, although I haven't yet tried the latter. But I don't think PSK31 with its tiny shift requires anything close to 500 Hz. Maybe 150 Hz, which is a lot smaller than 2.5 kHz. When I wrote about using a wide receiver, I was referring to SSB bandwidth for modes like PSK, which is clearly non-optimal. Personally often find it helps to turn off AGC entirely, even if the slow setting may minimize decoding problems caused by pumping AGC. And, as Dave suggests (and I implied in my previous post) I crank down the K3 bandwidth to something related to the width of the signal I want to copy. The purpose of that post of mine was not to suggest I have problems, but to point out that some users of mainly PSK criticize use of high power based on limits of their receiver's selectivity or limits of their understanding of how/when to use it, and this leads to myths about higher power being harmful. Again, I have no experience with FT8, but I made the assumption that the discussion of high power for FT8 is mostly a repeat of the discussion of high power for PSK. On the topic of digital myths, it seems many users of digital modes look at a strong signal, see that it is visible over certain frequency range, and judge it to be "broad" as in improperly modulated based on that, even if the signal is properly modulated but just strong. I believe the reason of such a mistake is that these modulation types (like also FM) do not have a definite cutoff in bandwidth; it just tapers off. Which is another way of showing that the filter needs to be wider than what would first be assumed. However, as filter bandwidth is increased, the returns in copyability decline rather quickly, while interference from other stations steadily increases. When I get to trying FT8, I don't expect it to be very different from PSK31 when it comes to the choice of power etc, but I may want at that time to review advice given in this thread by you and others. 73, Erik K7TV -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jim Brown Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2018 2:15 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA1500 and FT8 On 3/4/2018 11:58 AM, Erik Basilier wrote: > The reason seems to be that they have been taught to use a wide > receiver in combination with a sound card, so as to get a panoramic > view including other stations. This lets a strong nearby station > control the agc, and affects reception of stations on a range of frequencies. There is a VERY good reason why WSJT developer, K1JT, advises users to use wide IF bandwidth, and it's NOT the panoramic display. The reason is that filters introduce phase shift in the passband, and phase shift is the enemy of good decoding. The same physics, by the way, applies to other digital modes, including RTTY. Serious RTTY contesters have learned that 500 Hz is a good setting. Our ears may hear off-frequency QRM louder than the signal we're trying to detect, but the decoder does just fine. This is true of both WSJT and other decoders I use for RTTY. Indeed, even though a strong signal may APPEAR to cover much of the display, if the strong signal is CLEAN and you have your receive audio levels to the computer set to that the strong signal doesn't overload the computer, the decoder is likely to copy signals that appear to be covered by it. If you consider AGC pumping a problem, simply turn it off. FWIW, with both FT8 and RTTY, I keep AGC on Slow, and set WSJT-X for an indicated level as high as 50 dB, using the RF Gain. With this setting, if a strong signal reduces gain in the radio, weak signals will still be strong enough at the computer to be decoded. I mostly use WSJT-X on 6M and 160M, but the few times I've gone to FT8 on HF to work a DX trip, I've more than filled the 36 slots in JTAlert. So I guess it's working. :) 73, Jim K9YC ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ebasilier at cox.net From kq5stom at gmail.com Sun Mar 4 17:04:16 2018 From: kq5stom at gmail.com (Tom-KQ5S) Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2018 16:04:16 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] 3C3W/3C0W Message-ID: >From their web page http://www.lral.lv/3c0w_3c3w/index.html "One K3 transceiver broke down. Seems it?s the same fault as during the previous DXpedition. Spare KX3 is now put into operation and 2 stations are on the air." Curious to know what happened. ----------------- 73, Tom - KQ5S From alorona at sbcglobal.net Sun Mar 4 17:06:46 2018 From: alorona at sbcglobal.net (Al Lorona) Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2018 22:06:46 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] [OT] The Ultimate List of Hobbies for Men References: <1327004029.8123480.1520201206774.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1327004029.8123480.1520201206774@mail.yahoo.com> I found it mildly gratifying that our hobby is listed at #2 of these 75: https://www.artofmanliness.com/2016/01/25/the-ultimate-list-of-hobbies-for-men-75-ideas-for-your-free-time/ Certainly, climbing a tower, sticking your hands into the HV compartment of an amplifier, or emergency communication under adverse conditions would require a modicum of manliness. (Begging the pardon of the ladies among us.) Al W6LX From k6dgw at foothill.net Sun Mar 4 17:17:04 2018 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2018 14:17:04 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] [OT] The Ultimate List of Hobbies for Men In-Reply-To: <1327004029.8123480.1520201206774@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1327004029.8123480.1520201206774.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1327004029.8123480.1520201206774@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Yes, but what is Parkour doing on a list of hobbies for 75+ year olds? 73, Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW Sparks NV DM09dn Washoe County On 3/4/2018 2:06 PM, Al Lorona wrote: > I found it mildly gratifying that our hobby is listed at #2 of these 75: > > > https://www.artofmanliness.com/2016/01/25/the-ultimate-list-of-hobbies-for-men-75-ideas-for-your-free-time/ > Certainly, climbing a tower, sticking your hands into the HV compartment of an amplifier, or emergency communication under adverse conditions would require a modicum of manliness. > > (Begging the pardon of the ladies among us.) > > > Al W6LX > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k6dgw at foothill.net > From kevinr at coho.net Sun Mar 4 17:41:00 2018 From: kevinr at coho.net (kevinr) Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2018 14:41:00 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] [OT] The Ultimate List of Hobbies for Men In-Reply-To: <1327004029.8123480.1520201206774@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1327004029.8123480.1520201206774.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1327004029.8123480.1520201206774@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6b0918c3-d53e-4edc-e3c6-f9bfb96bec4a@coho.net> I am surprised at how few of these I have not done.? However, they don't list XC skiing to which I was addicted for many years. Great way to get outside when the weather is below zero.? Skiing uphill can be fun but the best is skiing to work and back. ?? 73, ????? Kevin.? KD5ONS On 03/04/2018 02:06 PM, Al Lorona wrote: > I found it mildly gratifying that our hobby is listed at #2 of these 75: > > > https://www.artofmanliness.com/2016/01/25/the-ultimate-list-of-hobbies-for-men-75-ideas-for-your-free-time/ > Certainly, climbing a tower, sticking your hands into the HV compartment of an amplifier, or emergency communication under adverse conditions would require a modicum of manliness. > > (Begging the pardon of the ladies among us.) > > > Al W6LX > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to kevinr at coho.net > From jamesd at moselle.com Sun Mar 4 17:48:08 2018 From: jamesd at moselle.com (James Doty) Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2018 14:48:08 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Elecraft] [OT] The Ultimate List of Hobbies for Men In-Reply-To: <6b0918c3-d53e-4edc-e3c6-f9bfb96bec4a@coho.net> References: <1327004029.8123480.1520201206774.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1327004029.8123480.1520201206774@mail.yahoo.com> <6b0918c3-d53e-4edc-e3c6-f9bfb96bec4a@coho.net> Message-ID: I also didn't see radio control models. Still, this is a fun list. I've done or am still active in thirteen of the items on the list. On Sun, 4 Mar 2018, kevinr wrote: > I am surprised at how few of these I have not done.? However, they don't > list XC skiing to which I was addicted for many years. Great way to get > outside when the weather is below zero.? Skiing uphill can be fun but > the best is skiing to work and back. > > ?? 73, > > ????? Kevin.? KD5ONS > > > On 03/04/2018 02:06 PM, Al Lorona wrote: >> I found it mildly gratifying that our hobby is listed at #2 of these 75: >> >> >> > https://www.artofmanliness.com/2016/01/25/the-ultimate-list-of-hobbies-for-men-75-ideas-for-your-free-time/ >> Certainly, climbing a tower, sticking your hands into the HV compartment of > an amplifier, or emergency communication under adverse conditions would > require a modicum of manliness. >> >> (Begging the pardon of the ladies among us.) >> >> >> Al W6LX >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to kevinr at coho.net >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to jamesd at moselle.com From gdslagel at yahoo.com Sun Mar 4 17:53:38 2018 From: gdslagel at yahoo.com (Gary Slagel) Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2018 22:53:38 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] [P3 panadapter]: rs232 output working with logging software In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <63663271.9611800.1520204018489@mail.yahoo.com> I've got my k3s rs232/p3 port connected to the panadapter XCVR rs232 port.? Panadapter PC rs232 is connected to the computer.? Set the panadapter RS232?paramater to 4800 baud.? The elecraft k3 utility on the computer talks to the K3S fb and connects at 4800 baud but neither my n1mm software or dxlab commander, both configured at 4800 baud, will talk to the K3.? If I take the panadapter out of the chain by hooking directly to the k3s rs232/p3 port directly they both talk to it fb.?? Has anyone run into a similar problem? Thanks for help, Gary SlagelAce Hardware #14814207 So ChicagoHot Springs, SD 57747(605) 890-2310KT0A From g4gnx at g4gnx.com Sun Mar 4 18:11:03 2018 From: g4gnx at g4gnx.com (G4GNX) Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2018 23:11:03 -0000 Subject: [Elecraft] [OT] The Ultimate List of Hobbies for Men In-Reply-To: <1327004029.8123480.1520201206774@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1327004029.8123480.1520201206774.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1327004029.8123480.1520201206774@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5185C81838A14AA9AF4719DA8467647B@G4GNXLaptop> I managed a total of 8. Would be more if I was an outdoor/sporting person. >From what I've heard, Ham Radio and Model Railroads tend to be partners for a lot of folks. Good to see that Woodworking and Home Improvements are there. Shame there's not a category for Ham Radio Home Brewing. 73, Alan. G4GNX -----Original Message----- From: Al Lorona Sent: Sunday, March 4, 2018 10:06 PM To: Elecraft Reflector Subject: [Elecraft] [OT] The Ultimate List of Hobbies for Men I found it mildly gratifying that our hobby is listed at #2 of these 75: https://www.artofmanliness.com/2016/01/25/the-ultimate-list-of-hobbies-for-men-75-ideas-for-your-free-time/ Certainly, climbing a tower, sticking your hands into the HV compartment of an amplifier, or emergency communication under adverse conditions would require a modicum of manliness. (Begging the pardon of the ladies among us.) Al W6LX From peter.torry at talktalk.net Sun Mar 4 18:22:20 2018 From: peter.torry at talktalk.net (Peter Torry) Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2018 23:22:20 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] 2 meter Linear and ALC with K3 In-Reply-To: <58B407656ACA4B3C8C9A8BEAD4E26F58@G4GNXLaptop> References: <99c421d6-d65e-54ab-1eca-010b5b468cdc@embarqmail.com> <69832d3e-add1-f8a0-5c4e-378f1b077186@gmail.com> <58B407656ACA4B3C8C9A8BEAD4E26F58@G4GNXLaptop> Message-ID: Hi Alan, I would strongly recommend that you do NOT use ALC for any form of control signal or drive limiting.? For control use the inhibit on the acc connector and for power output use the K3 pwr control. Look forward to hearing you on 2m. 73 Peter G3SMT On 04/03/2018 21:04, G4GNX wrote: > I'm about to build a linear amplifier for 2 meters and the design I've > chosen sends a negative voltage to the driving rig's ALC line to > inhibit RF input, whilst the linear goes through a TX sequence. > > In view of the way that ALC is used differently with the K3S and > KPA500, does the use of ALC in this way seem feasible for use with the > K144XV transverter? > > Has anybody done this? > > 73, > > Alan. G4GNX > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to peter.torry at talktalk.net From esteptony at gmail.com Sun Mar 4 18:47:44 2018 From: esteptony at gmail.com (Tony Estep) Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2018 17:47:44 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] [OT] The Ultimate List of Hobbies for Men In-Reply-To: <1327004029.8123480.1520201206774@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1327004029.8123480.1520201206774.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1327004029.8123480.1520201206774@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Sun, Mar 4, 2018 at 4:06 PM, Al Lorona wrote: > ...our hobby is listed at #2... > https://www.artofmanliness.com/2016/01/25/the-ultimate- > list-of-hobbies-for-men-75-ideas-for-your-free-time/ ================= I note that lock-picking is ranked higher than BBQing. Tony KT0NY From wes_n7ws at triconet.org Sun Mar 4 19:12:39 2018 From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes Stewart) Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2018 17:12:39 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] 3C3W/3C0W In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: They had some power supply and generator problems on the last expedition.? I don't think it was ever published as to exactly what failed. Wes? N7WS On 3/4/2018 3:04 PM, Tom-KQ5S wrote: > From their web page http://www.lral.lv/3c0w_3c3w/index.html > > "One K3 transceiver broke down. Seems it?s the same fault as during the > previous DXpedition. Spare KX3 is now put into operation and 2 stations are > on the air." > > Curious to know what happened. > > ----------------- > 73, > Tom - KQ5S > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wes_n7ws at triconet.org From gdslagel at yahoo.com Sun Mar 4 19:34:57 2018 From: gdslagel at yahoo.com (Gary Slagel) Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2018 00:34:57 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] [P3 panadapter]: rs232 output working with logging software In-Reply-To: <1B909398-AD77-4CFD-97A6-22BF76831448@elecraft.com> References: <63663271.9611800.1520204018489@mail.yahoo.com> <1B909398-AD77-4CFD-97A6-22BF76831448@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <176374205.9670855.1520210097379@mail.yahoo.com> That's a good suggestion and it worked!? I tried it at 38400 and 19200 and they both worked.? ?When I went down to 9600 and 4800 it quite working.? Unfortunately, I've got an SPE amp that has to be in the same chain of equipment and that fastest it will talk is 9600. Funny though, that the k3s will talk to the computer software and the amp at 4800 baud if the panadapter isn't in the chain.? ? The panadapter will only talk to the k3s at 38400 and enforces the 38400 baud rate by automatically setting the k3s to 38400.? But even when it is talking to the k3s at 38400 it lets me set its output baud rate to whatever I want.? ?So.... the strange thing is that if I set the panadapter output to 38400 or 19200 it works fb with the computer logging software ( but not the amp cuz it won't go that high) but if I set the panadapter output to 9600 or 4800 it won't talk to the computer logging software but it will talk to the elecraft k3 utility at the slower baud rate.? If I take the panadapter out of the chain the k3 and amp and computer software will all happily talk to each other at 4800 baud. Now I'm wondering if there is such a thing as a baud rate converter that I could put inline with the amp to turn the 19200 baud rate into 4800 so it'll talk to the amp?? I'm off to scour the internet. Gary SlagelAce Hardware #14814207 So ChicagoHot Springs, SD 57747(605) 890-2310KT0A ? On Sunday, March 4, 2018, 4:52:34 PM MST, Dick Dievendorff wrote: Try setting everything to 38400 and see if that helps. The P3 needs to chit chat with the K3 and that?s best done quickly. I haven?t tried 4800, but 38400 works here fir me. 73 de Dick, K6KR > On Mar 4, 2018, at 14:53, Gary Slagel via Elecraft wrote: > > I've got my k3s rs232/p3 port connected to the panadapter XCVR rs232 port.? Panadapter PC rs232 is connected to the computer.? Set the panadapter RS232 paramater to 4800 baud.? The elecraft k3 utility on the computer talks to the K3S fb and connects at 4800 baud but neither my n1mm software or dxlab commander, both configured at 4800 baud, will talk to the K3.? If I take the panadapter out of the chain by hooking directly to the k3s rs232/p3 port directly they both talk to it fb.? > Has anyone run into a similar problem? > Thanks for help, > Gary SlagelAce Hardware #14814207 So ChicagoHot Springs, SD 57747(605) 890-2310KT0A > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dick at elecraft.com From jmlowman at sbcglobal.net Sun Mar 4 19:49:18 2018 From: jmlowman at sbcglobal.net (Jim Low man) Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2018 16:49:18 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] [OT] The Ultimate List of Hobbies for Men In-Reply-To: References: <1327004029.8123480.1520201206774.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1327004029.8123480.1520201206774@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <72C9FD5F-9210-482A-9D8C-622178D98F9B@sbcglobal.net> Fred, it isn?t a list of hobbies for those over 75 years of age-it?s just a list of 75 hobbies that are considered to be ?manly.? I was pleased that ham radio ranked so high, but also surprised that computer programming was so far down the list. In all, I am, or have been, involved with about 18 of these hobbies at one time in my life or another. And the YL says that I need to get a hobby! 73 de Jim-AD6CW > On Mar 4, 2018, at 3:47 PM, Tony Estep wrote: > >> On Sun, Mar 4, 2018 at 4:06 PM, Al Lorona wrote: >> >> ...our hobby is listed at #2... >> https://www.artofmanliness.com/2016/01/25/the-ultimate- >> list-of-hobbies-for-men-75-ideas-for-your-free-time/ > > ================= > I note that lock-picking is ranked higher than BBQing. > > Tony KT0NY > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to jmlowman at sbcglobal.net From k6dgw at foothill.net Sun Mar 4 20:08:36 2018 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2018 17:08:36 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] [OT] The Ultimate List of Hobbies for Men In-Reply-To: <72C9FD5F-9210-482A-9D8C-622178D98F9B@sbcglobal.net> References: <1327004029.8123480.1520201206774.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1327004029.8123480.1520201206774@mail.yahoo.com> <72C9FD5F-9210-482A-9D8C-622178D98F9B@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <25f36c2e-3163-9ef6-e3cd-cddd6ff8c153@foothill.net> I missed that ... I have an excuse, I'm over 75. [:-)? But if it's for all ages, why is Ham Radio #2 when so many of us hams are ... well ... eligible for the Senior Discount? 73, Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW Sparks NV DM09dn Washoe County On 3/4/2018 4:49 PM, Jim Low man wrote: > Fred, it isn?t a list of hobbies for those over 75 years of age-it?s just a list of 75 hobbies that are considered to be ?manly.? > > I was pleased that ham radio ranked so high, but also surprised that computer programming was so far down the list. > > In all, I am, or have been, involved with about 18 of these hobbies at one time in my life or another. And the YL says that I need to get a hobby! > > 73 de Jim-AD6CW > From tomb18 at videotron.ca Sun Mar 4 20:30:40 2018 From: tomb18 at videotron.ca (Tom) Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2018 20:30:40 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] [OT] The Ultimate List of Hobbies for Men In-Reply-To: References: <1327004029.8123480.1520201206774.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1327004029.8123480.1520201206774@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6A95AC37F30D479BACFA5092FF7BEA8D@DESKTOPAV61F2H> They missed Watch Collecting and Racing, and one of the best...fishing -----Original Message----- From: Jim Low man Sent: Sunday, March 4, 2018 7:49 PM To: Tony Estep Cc: Elecraft Reflector Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [OT] The Ultimate List of Hobbies for Men Fred, it isn?t a list of hobbies for those over 75 years of age-it?s just a list of 75 hobbies that are considered to be ?manly.? I was pleased that ham radio ranked so high, but also surprised that computer programming was so far down the list. In all, I am, or have been, involved with about 18 of these hobbies at one time in my life or another. And the YL says that I need to get a hobby! 73 de Jim-AD6CW > On Mar 4, 2018, at 3:47 PM, Tony Estep wrote: > >> On Sun, Mar 4, 2018 at 4:06 PM, Al Lorona wrote: >> >> ...our hobby is listed at #2... >> https://www.artofmanliness.com/2016/01/25/the-ultimate- >> list-of-hobbies-for-men-75-ideas-for-your-free-time/ > > ================= > I note that lock-picking is ranked higher than BBQing. > > Tony KT0NY > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to jmlowman at sbcglobal.net ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to tomb18 at videotron.ca --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From kevinr at coho.net Sun Mar 4 20:56:00 2018 From: kevinr at coho.net (kevinr) Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2018 17:56:00 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Report Message-ID: <6a19fccf-8751-644f-de58-6405037bce91@coho.net> Good Evening, ??? I got a work out today.? Lots of signals from all over but QSB was making it harder than normal.? One second at S7 and then to S1 or worse.? But I was able to drag quite a few of you out. Florida on 40 meters while Connecticut came in on both 20 and 40 meters.? No Alaska though whereas last week I got two of them and on both bands.? As the sun comes back the bands change quickly. It is always a good sign when I call CQ and am answered by one steady tone.? I don't get any call signs but I know there are a bunch of you to thin out :) On 14049.5 kHz at 2300z: NO8V - John - MI AB9V - Mike - IN W0CZ - Ken - ND K6XK - Roy - IA K4TO - Dave - KY AC5P - Mike - OK K1SW - Dick - CT K4JPN - Steve - GA N8VN - John - OH On 7045 kHz at 0100z: K6PJV - Dale - CA K0DTJ - Brian - CA W6JHB - Jim - CA W8OV - Dave - TX W0CZ - Ken - ND K1SW - Dick - CT AE6JV - Bill - CA K1AY - Chris - FL 73, ?? Kevin.? KD5ONS From stanzepa at sbcglobal.net Sun Mar 4 20:57:22 2018 From: stanzepa at sbcglobal.net (Stan Horzepa) Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2018 20:57:22 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] [OT] The Ultimate List of Hobbies for Men In-Reply-To: <6A95AC37F30D479BACFA5092FF7BEA8D@DESKTOPAV61F2H> References: <1327004029.8123480.1520201206774.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1327004029.8123480.1520201206774@mail.yahoo.com> <6A95AC37F30D479BACFA5092FF7BEA8D@DESKTOPAV61F2H> Message-ID: Hate to rain on the parade, but nowhere in the article does it say that the hobbies are ranked. It is just a list of hobbies, not a ranking. 73, Stan, WA1LOU On 3/4/18 8:30 PM, Tom wrote: > They missed Watch Collecting and Racing, and one of the best...fishing > > -----Original Message----- From: Jim Low man > Sent: Sunday, March 4, 2018 7:49 PM > To: Tony Estep > Cc: Elecraft Reflector > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [OT] The Ultimate List of Hobbies for Men > > Fred, it isn?t a list of hobbies for those over 75 years of age-it?s > just a list of 75 hobbies that are considered to be ?manly.? > > I was pleased that ham radio ranked so high, but also surprised that > computer programming was so far down the list. > > In all, I am, or have been, involved with about 18 of these hobbies at > one time in my life or another.? And the YL says that I need to get a > hobby! > > 73 de Jim-AD6CW > >> On Mar 4, 2018, at 3:47 PM, Tony Estep wrote: >> >>> On Sun, Mar 4, 2018 at 4:06 PM, Al Lorona >>> wrote: >>> >>> ...our hobby is listed at #2... >>> https://www.artofmanliness.com/2016/01/25/the-ultimate- >>> list-of-hobbies-for-men-75-ideas-for-your-free-time/ >> >> ================= >> I note that lock-picking is ranked higher than BBQing. >> >> Tony KT0NY >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to jmlowman at sbcglobal.net > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to tomb18 at videotron.ca > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to stanzepa at sbcglobal.net From dpbunte at gmail.com Sun Mar 4 21:02:23 2018 From: dpbunte at gmail.com (David Bunte) Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2018 21:02:23 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] [OT] The Ultimate List of Hobbies for Men In-Reply-To: References: <1327004029.8123480.1520201206774.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1327004029.8123480.1520201206774@mail.yahoo.com> <6A95AC37F30D479BACFA5092FF7BEA8D@DESKTOPAV61F2H> Message-ID: Stan - I think it is quite obvious that the list is not in rank order... or Ham Radio would be #1... at least that is my view. Dave - K9FN On Sun, Mar 4, 2018 at 8:57 PM, Stan Horzepa wrote: > Hate to rain on the parade, but nowhere in the article does it say that > the hobbies are ranked. It is just a list of hobbies, not a ranking. > > 73, > > Stan, WA1LOU > > > On 3/4/18 8:30 PM, Tom wrote: > >> They missed Watch Collecting and Racing, and one of the best...fishing >> >> -----Original Message----- From: Jim Low man >> Sent: Sunday, March 4, 2018 7:49 PM >> To: Tony Estep >> Cc: Elecraft Reflector >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [OT] The Ultimate List of Hobbies for Men >> >> Fred, it isn?t a list of hobbies for those over 75 years of age-it?s just >> a list of 75 hobbies that are considered to be ?manly.? >> >> I was pleased that ham radio ranked so high, but also surprised that >> computer programming was so far down the list. >> >> In all, I am, or have been, involved with about 18 of these hobbies at >> one time in my life or another. And the YL says that I need to get a hobby! >> >> 73 de Jim-AD6CW >> >> On Mar 4, 2018, at 3:47 PM, Tony Estep wrote: >>> >>> On Sun, Mar 4, 2018 at 4:06 PM, Al Lorona wrote: >>>> >>>> ...our hobby is listed at #2... >>>> https://www.artofmanliness.com/2016/01/25/the-ultimate- >>>> list-of-hobbies-for-men-75-ideas-for-your-free-time/ >>>> >>> >>> ================= >>> I note that lock-picking is ranked higher than BBQing. >>> >>> Tony KT0NY >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to jmlowman at sbcglobal.net >>> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to tomb18 at videotron.ca >> >> --- >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to stanzepa at sbcglobal.net >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dpbunte at gmail.com From frantz at pwpconsult.com Sun Mar 4 21:17:13 2018 From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz) Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2018 18:17:13 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 and FT8 In-Reply-To: <017a01d3b404$2b0086c0$81019440$@cox.net> Message-ID: I find FT8 more works better with strong, nearby signals and a wide bandwidth. I have only once or twice narrowed the bandwidth from 4K Hz because of a strong signal outside the FT8 subband. Otherwise, reducing the RF gain has fixed things for me. BTW - If I'm trying to copy a very strong FT8 signal -- full red on the waterfall -- reducing RF gain frequently improves decode. 73 Bill AE6JV On 3/4/18 at 2:00 PM, ebasilier at cox.net (Erik Basilier) wrote: >When I get to trying FT8, I don't expect it to be very differe >nt from PSK31 when it comes to the choice of power etc, but I >may want at that time to review advice given in this thread by >you and others. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz | Government is not reason, it is not eloquence, it is force; like 408-356-8506 | a fire, a troublesome servant and a fearful master. Never for a www.pwpconsult.com | moment should it be left to irresponsible action. Geo Washington From k6dgw at foothill.net Sun Mar 4 22:29:44 2018 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2018 19:29:44 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] [OT] The Ultimate List of Hobbies for Men In-Reply-To: References: <1327004029.8123480.1520201206774.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1327004029.8123480.1520201206774@mail.yahoo.com> <6A95AC37F30D479BACFA5092FF7BEA8D@DESKTOPAV61F2H> Message-ID: <55785119-079e-4fcd-9747-619f04f45f25@foothill.net> No parade to rain on, Ham Radio was the second one in the list, no ranking assumed. 73, Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW Sparks NV DM09dn Washoe County On 3/4/2018 5:57 PM, Stan Horzepa wrote: > Hate to rain on the parade, but nowhere in the article does it say > that the hobbies are ranked. It is just a list of hobbies, not a ranking. > > 73, > > Stan, WA1LOU > > > On 3/4/18 8:30 PM, Tom wrote: >> They missed Watch Collecting and Racing, and one of the best...fishing >> >> -----Original Message----- From: Jim Low man >> Sent: Sunday, March 4, 2018 7:49 PM >> To: Tony Estep >> Cc: Elecraft Reflector >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [OT] The Ultimate List of Hobbies for Men >> >> Fred, it isn?t a list of hobbies for those over 75 years of age-it?s >> just a list of 75 hobbies that are considered to be ?manly.? >> >> I was pleased that ham radio ranked so high, but also surprised that >> computer programming was so far down the list. >> >> In all, I am, or have been, involved with about 18 of these hobbies >> at one time in my life or another.? And the YL says that I need to >> get a hobby! >> >> 73 de Jim-AD6CW >> >>> On Mar 4, 2018, at 3:47 PM, Tony Estep wrote: >>> >>>> On Sun, Mar 4, 2018 at 4:06 PM, Al Lorona >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> ...our hobby is listed at #2... >>>> https://www.artofmanliness.com/2016/01/25/the-ultimate- >>>> list-of-hobbies-for-men-75-ideas-for-your-free-time/ >>> >>> ================= >>> I note that lock-picking is ranked higher than BBQing. >>> >>> Tony KT0NY >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to jmlowman at sbcglobal.net >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to tomb18 at videotron.ca >> >> --- >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to stanzepa at sbcglobal.net > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k6dgw at foothill.net From pincon at erols.com Sun Mar 4 22:58:46 2018 From: pincon at erols.com (Charlie T) Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2018 22:58:46 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] [OT] The Ultimate List of Hobbies for Men In-Reply-To: References: <1327004029.8123480.1520201206774.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1327004029.8123480.1520201206774@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <005101d3b436$47266a90$d5733fb0$@erols.com> I think I maybe did 2 or possibly 3 of those listed. However, Bunge jumping, Sky Diving and Alligator Wrestling were curiously absent. 73, Charlie k3ICH From kevinr at coho.net Mon Mar 5 00:00:26 2018 From: kevinr at coho.net (kevinr) Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2018 21:00:26 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] [OT] The Ultimate List of Hobbies for Men In-Reply-To: <005101d3b436$47266a90$d5733fb0$@erols.com> References: <1327004029.8123480.1520201206774.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1327004029.8123480.1520201206774@mail.yahoo.com> <005101d3b436$47266a90$d5733fb0$@erols.com> Message-ID: <7768d8e8-666f-3e20-ea9b-91093c16f051@coho.net> You have done all of those at once?! ??? Kevin.? KD5ONS On 03/04/2018 07:58 PM, Charlie T wrote: > I think I maybe did 2 or possibly 3 of those listed. > > However, Bunge jumping, Sky Diving and Alligator Wrestling were curiously > absent. > > 73, Charlie k3ICH From rlvz at aol.com Mon Mar 5 00:13:05 2018 From: rlvz at aol.com (rlvz at aol.com) Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2018 00:13:05 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3- wide variety of questions and topics In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <161f493d45d-17a1-57abf@webjas-vac208.srv.aolmail.net> I really appreciate the wide variety of questions and topics that arise on this reflector about the K3 which includes problems encountered while using a K3. ?Recently, I learned some valuable information about how to setup my K3 so it receives FT8 signals better, and on how to setup my K3 transmitter so it keys faster. ?(turn the VOX off and use PTT) ?Though I'm mainly a contester, and then a DX'er, FT8 is quickly becoming a great tool for working DX. ?Since I'm mainly a contester, I'm looking forward to the day when I can operate a FT8 contest. ?But for now, I'm very happy to use FT8 on my K3 as another tool for working DX. ? Thank You Elecraft for allowing a wide variety of topics relating to the K3 on this Reflector. ? 73, Dick- K9OM ? ? In a message dated 3/4/2018 11:10:51 PM Eastern Standard Time, elecraft-request at mailman.qth.net writes: ? Phil, Questions about your K3 and any other Elecraft product are quite welcome. This reflector covers all Elecraft products as well as problems owners encounter when using them. FT8 is causing some confusion for owners new to digital modes, and that is why it is currently producing a lot of questions - we are trying to help. Stick around and you can glean a lot of information from this group, not only about your K3, but a lot more too. From mteberle at mchsi.com Mon Mar 5 00:23:46 2018 From: mteberle at mchsi.com (Michael Eberle) Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2018 23:23:46 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] [OT] The Ultimate List of Hobbies for Men In-Reply-To: <1327004029.8123480.1520201206774.ref@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1327004029.8123480.1520201206774.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Apparently they haven't researched the cost of flight training lately.? "Pilot lessons can run a couple thousand dollars..." It's closer to ten thousand for a private pilot license. Mike - KI0HA On 3/4/2018 16:06, Al Lorona wrote: > I found it mildly gratifying that our hobby is listed at #2 of these 75: > > > https://www.artofmanliness.com/2016/01/25/the-ultimate-list-of-hobbies-for-men-75-ideas-for-your-free-time/ > Certainly, climbing a tower, sticking your hands into the HV compartment of an amplifier, or emergency communication under adverse conditions would require a modicum of manliness. > > (Begging the pardon of the ladies among us.) > > > Al W6LX > ______________________________________________________________ > From kl7uw at acsalaska.net Mon Mar 5 05:01:21 2018 From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole) Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2018 01:01:21 -0900 Subject: [Elecraft] [OT] The Ultimate List of Hobbies for Men Message-ID: <201803051001.w25A1O6Q019535@mail40c28.carrierzone.com> done 27, but many not currently Ball room dancing class in college was a great way to meet women! 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com Dubus-NA Business mail: dubususa at gmail.com From forums at david-woolley.me.uk Mon Mar 5 05:03:00 2018 From: forums at david-woolley.me.uk (David Woolley) Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2018 10:03:00 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 and FT8 In-Reply-To: References: <017301d3b3f3$38e25c20$aaa71460$@cox.net> Message-ID: I believe at least some of the DSP filters in the K3 are FIR (Finite Impulse Response) ones, which should be phase linear. The roofing filters will not be phase linear, so I would think you could get away with using a narrow DSP filter, as long as you used a relatively wide roofing filter. This will still leave the ADC, and the analogue circuitry between the roofing filter and it, open to overloads, but will protect the sound card. On 04/03/18 21:15, Jim Brown wrote: > There is a VERY good reason why WSJT developer, K1JT, advises users to > use wide IF bandwidth, and it's NOT the panoramic display. The reason is > that filters introduce phase shift in the passband, and phase shift is > the enemy of good decoding. The same physics, by From d.cutter at ntlworld.com Mon Mar 5 06:01:39 2018 From: d.cutter at ntlworld.com (David Cutter) Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2018 11:01:39 -0000 Subject: [Elecraft] [OT] The Ultimate List of Hobbies for Men In-Reply-To: <201803051001.w25A1O6Q019535@mail40c28.carrierzone.com> References: <201803051001.w25A1O6Q019535@mail40c28.carrierzone.com> Message-ID: I teach modern jive which is now far more popular than ballroom dancing which I trained in in my 20's. Now in my 70's this has a very healthy following and is far easier to learn without private lessons. I met both my XYLs (40 years apart) at dance venues. Mostly popular with >40 year-olds. David G3UNA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edward R Cole" To: "Elecraft Reflector" Sent: Monday, March 05, 2018 10:01 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [OT] The Ultimate List of Hobbies for Men > done 27, but many not currently > Ball room dancing class in college was a great way to meet women! > > 73, Ed - KL7UW > http://www.kl7uw.com > Dubus-NA Business mail: > dubususa at gmail.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to d.cutter at ntlworld.com From g4gnx at g4gnx.com Mon Mar 5 08:31:48 2018 From: g4gnx at g4gnx.com (G4GNX) Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2018 13:31:48 -0000 Subject: [Elecraft] 2 meter Linear and ALC with K3 In-Reply-To: References: <99c421d6-d65e-54ab-1eca-010b5b468cdc@embarqmail.com> <69832d3e-add1-f8a0-5c4e-378f1b077186@gmail.com> <58B407656ACA4B3C8C9A8BEAD4E26F58@G4GNXLaptop> Message-ID: <4FF41AC7CE4F4B059D3D255EBBAB83BD@G4GNXLaptop> Thanks Don. The amp ALC line uses an audio oscillator and diode to generate the negative voltage, so I can leave it out or add an extra gate for 5V or GND. 73, Alan. G4GNX -----Original Message----- From: Don Wilhelm Sent: Sunday, March 4, 2018 9:34 PM To: G4GNX ; elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] 2 meter Linear and ALC with K3 Alan, I would strongly recommend you use the Transmit Inhibit in the ACC connector instead (pin 7). See page 21 of the K3S manual and page 66 for the menu (note it is a Tech mode entry). If you do not have a contact to either ground or +5v in that amplifier, You may have to devise an intervening circuit to provide either ground or +5v to ACC pin 7. You should not apply a negative voltage to that pin. 73, Don W3FPR On 3/4/2018 4:04 PM, G4GNX wrote: > I'm about to build a linear amplifier for 2 meters and the design I've > chosen sends a negative voltage to the driving rig's ALC line to inhibit > RF input, whilst the linear goes through a TX sequence. > > In view of the way that ALC is used differently with the K3S and KPA500, > does the use of ALC in this way seem feasible for use with the K144XV > transverter? > From g4gnx at g4gnx.com Mon Mar 5 08:36:13 2018 From: g4gnx at g4gnx.com (G4GNX) Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2018 13:36:13 -0000 Subject: [Elecraft] 2 meter Linear and ALC with K3 In-Reply-To: References: <99c421d6-d65e-54ab-1eca-010b5b468cdc@embarqmail.com><69832d3e-add1-f8a0-5c4e-378f1b077186@gmail.com><58B407656ACA4B3C8C9A8BEAD4E26F58@G4GNXLaptop> Message-ID: Hi Peter. I would have used the K3S power control anyway, but I'll modify the circuitry to accommodate the K3S TX Inhibit. A QSO should be possible on 2M (even without the linear). My take-off to the West is good and the slightest lift in conditions seems to get me to West Wales etc., 73, Alan. G4GNX -----Original Message----- From: Peter Torry via Elecraft Sent: Sunday, March 4, 2018 11:22 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] 2 meter Linear and ALC with K3 Hi Alan, I would strongly recommend that you do NOT use ALC for any form of control signal or drive limiting. For control use the inhibit on the acc connector and for power output use the K3 pwr control. Look forward to hearing you on 2m. 73 Peter G3SMT From john at kk9a.com Mon Mar 5 10:33:57 2018 From: john at kk9a.com (john at kk9a.com) Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2018 10:33:57 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] A momentary BAT LOW warning Message-ID: I am glad that you found the problem relatively easily Barry. I am wondering who makes quality lugs and crimping tools? I am not impressed with the ones that I buy at the big box stores. John KK9A Barry w2up wrote: John, I wasn't using the Astron-supplied lug. I crimped another lug onto the cable. Somehow, the wire within the crimp worked itself loose, after 10+ years. Barry W2UP From chandlerusm at gmail.com Mon Mar 5 10:41:47 2018 From: chandlerusm at gmail.com (Chuck Chandler) Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2018 09:41:47 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500/KAT-500-K Message-ID: They arrived Thursday. Between Thursday night and Friday morning I built the amplifier. Thursday afternoon I built the tuner. No issues with either except the tuner was missing a silicone thermal pad. An exchange of emails quickly determined I could use one I had on hand. Nice to get quick responses from people who know the product! The amp was used for the entire contest weekend without a hint of trouble. I tried to watch the power out and keep it out of the red. Even when I was on a small run the temp never got above 52 C. The tuner worked great as well, only a couple of times it refused to find a match when I was using low band antennas well outside their sweet spots. Nothing a button push wouldn't cure. Many thanks to the whole Elecraft gang for the great products! 73 de Chuck, WS1L -- =================== Chuck Chandler chandlerusm at gmail.com =================== From gdslagel at yahoo.com Mon Mar 5 11:15:04 2018 From: gdslagel at yahoo.com (Gary Slagel) Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2018 16:15:04 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] [P3 panadapter]: rs232 output working with logging software In-Reply-To: <5d0dc45a-5b24-95ac-8274-052ab9870117@roccon.com> References: <63663271.9611800.1520204018489@mail.yahoo.com> <1B909398-AD77-4CFD-97A6-22BF76831448@elecraft.com> <176374205.9670855.1520210097379@mail.yahoo.com> <5d0dc45a-5b24-95ac-8274-052ab9870117@roccon.com> Message-ID: <1749022501.10076371.1520266504990@mail.yahoo.com> Thanks for your help Graziano, I'm using a cable made by Dan Tassel/SPE and I think it is the same wiring as your diagram shows.? ? I did finally get it working? this morning.? ?After comparing your diagram with my wiring I was looking at software port configuration more closely and I noticed that N1MM+ recommended having stop bit set to 1...... I had it set to 2.? ?I changed it and everything started working.? Also started working when I changed it in the dxlab commander software. My takeaway is that at the faster baud rates stop bit setting is not so fussy.? ?At the slower baud rates it IS fussy.?? Thanks again, Gary?KT0A ? On Monday, March 5, 2018, 2:31:57 AM MST, ROCCON GRAZIANO GIULIANO wrote: Hi, give a look at the attached PDF for a possibile solution. I did this and it worked for me. 73's de iw2noy Graziano Il 05/03/2018 01:34, Gary Slagel via Elecraft ha scritto: > That's a good suggestion and it worked!? I tried it at 38400 and 19200 and they both worked.? ?When I went down to 9600 and 4800 it quite working.? Unfortunately, I've got an SPE amp that has to be in the same chain of equipment and that fastest it will talk is 9600. > Funny though, that the k3s will talk to the computer software and the amp at 4800 baud if the panadapter isn't in the chain. > The panadapter will only talk to the k3s at 38400 and enforces the 38400 baud rate by automatically setting the k3s to 38400.? But even when it is talking to the k3s at 38400 it lets me set its output baud rate to whatever I want.? ?So.... the strange thing is that if I set the panadapter output to 38400 or 19200 it works fb with the computer logging software ( but not the amp cuz it won't go that high) but if I set the panadapter output to 9600 or 4800 it won't talk to the computer logging software but it will talk to the elecraft k3 utility at the slower baud rate.? If I take the panadapter out of the chain the k3 and amp and computer software will all happily talk to each other at 4800 baud. > Now I'm wondering if there is such a thing as a baud rate converter that I could put inline with the amp to turn the 19200 baud rate into 4800 so it'll talk to the amp?? I'm off to scour the internet. > > > Gary SlagelAce Hardware #14814207 So ChicagoHot Springs, SD 57747(605) 890-2310KT0A >? ? > >? ? ? On Sunday, March 4, 2018, 4:52:34 PM MST, Dick Dievendorff wrote: >? >? Try setting everything to 38400 and see if that helps. The P3 needs to chit chat with the K3 and that?s best done quickly. > > I haven?t tried 4800, but 38400 works here fir me. > > 73 de Dick, K6KR > >> On Mar 4, 2018, at 14:53, Gary Slagel via Elecraft wrote: >> >> I've got my k3s rs232/p3 port connected to the panadapter XCVR rs232 port.? Panadapter PC rs232 is connected to the computer.? Set the panadapter RS232 paramater to 4800 baud.? The elecraft k3 utility on the computer talks to the K3S fb and connects at 4800 baud but neither my n1mm software or dxlab commander, both configured at 4800 baud, will talk to the K3.? If I take the panadapter out of the chain by hooking directly to the k3s rs232/p3 port directly they both talk to it fb. >> Has anyone run into a similar problem? >> Thanks for help, >> Gary SlagelAce Hardware #14814207 So ChicagoHot Springs, SD 57747(605) 890-2310KT0A >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to dick at elecraft.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to graziano at roccon.com From alan at thelamberts.com Mon Mar 5 12:44:33 2018 From: alan at thelamberts.com (Alan Lambert) Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2018 12:44:33 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 -> KXPA100 -> KPA500 -> KAT500? Message-ID: A little help / guidance please. I have a Kx3 w/ Kxpa100 and soon I will be adding a Kpa500 / Kat500 to this mix. When you add a Kxpa100 to a Kx3 you set the power on the Kx3 from 0-110w. If you click tune on the Kx3 it tunes the tuner in the kpa100. Full integration How does all this work once you add the 500? Once you add the 500 to the mix does the Kx3 now show 0-500? Does the Kx3 "control" the 500? What is the wiring path for this? Some of its obvious; the tuners in the KX3 and the KXpa100 will need to be disabled, RF out of kpa100 to RF in on the 500. Thanks in advance, Alan Kn4bbc From donwilh at embarqmail.com Mon Mar 5 13:24:15 2018 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2018 13:24:15 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 -> KXPA100 -> KPA500 -> KAT500? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Alan, Yes, set the KXPA100 tuner to bypass - switch on the front. You will be using cabling as shown in Figure 4 page 11 of the KAT500 Owner's manual. The "output on transceiver that provides closure to ground on transmit" is the RCA jack on the rectangular box in the cable between the KX3 and the KXPA100. Note that the RCA cables which provide keying for the amplifier MUST be routed first through the KAT500 and then to the amplifier - that allows the KAT500 to disable keying the KPA500 when it is tuning. 73, Don W3FPR On 3/5/2018 12:44 PM, Alan Lambert wrote: > A little help / guidance please. > > I have a Kx3 w/ Kxpa100 and soon I will be adding a Kpa500 / Kat500 to this mix. > > When you add a Kxpa100 to a Kx3 you set the power on the Kx3 from > 0-110w. If you click tune on the Kx3 it tunes the tuner in the > kpa100. Full integration > > How does all this work once you add the 500? > > Once you add the 500 to the mix does the Kx3 now show 0-500? Does the > Kx3 "control" the 500? What is the wiring path for this? > > Some of its obvious; the tuners in the KX3 and the KXpa100 will need > to be disabled, RF out of kpa100 to RF in on the 500. > From w0mu at w0mu.com Mon Mar 5 14:41:45 2018 From: w0mu at w0mu.com (W0MU Mike Fatchett) Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2018 12:41:45 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 and FT8 In-Reply-To: References: <017301d3b3f3$38e25c20$aaa71460$@cox.net> Message-ID: They recommend turning agc off and manually adjusting RF gain. There is more to the mode than pushing a button and waiting for your honor roll DXCC to come in. W0MU On 3/4/2018 2:15 PM, Jim Brown wrote: > On 3/4/2018 11:58 AM, Erik Basilier wrote: >> The reason seems to be that they have been taught to use a wide >> receiver in >> combination with a sound card, so as to get a panoramic view >> including other >> stations. This lets a strong nearby station control the agc, and affects >> reception of stations on a range of frequencies. > > There is a VERY good reason why WSJT developer, K1JT, advises users to > use wide IF bandwidth, and it's NOT the panoramic display. The reason > is that filters introduce phase shift in the passband, and phase shift > is the enemy of good decoding. The same physics, by the way, applies > to other digital modes, including RTTY. Serious RTTY contesters have > learned that 500 Hz is a good setting. Our ears may hear off-frequency > QRM louder than the signal we're trying to detect, but the decoder > does just fine. > > This is true of both WSJT and other decoders I use for RTTY. Indeed, > even though a strong signal may APPEAR to cover much of the display, > if the strong signal is? CLEAN and you have your receive audio levels > to the computer set to that the strong signal doesn't overload the > computer, the decoder is likely to copy signals that appear to be > covered by it. If you consider AGC pumping a problem, simply turn it off. > > FWIW, with both FT8 and RTTY, I keep AGC on Slow, and set WSJT-X for > an indicated level as high as 50 dB, using the RF Gain. With this > setting, if a strong signal reduces gain in the radio, weak signals > will still be strong enough at the computer to be decoded. I mostly > use WSJT-X on 6M and 160M, but the few times I've gone to FT8 on HF to > work a DX trip, I've more than filled the 36 slots in JTAlert. So I > guess it's working. :) > > 73, Jim K9YC > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to w0mu at w0mu.com From rickw8zt at gmail.com Mon Mar 5 14:40:58 2018 From: rickw8zt at gmail.com (Rick Robinson) Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2018 19:40:58 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 AND BAND DECODER In-Reply-To: <09acbe33-24f1-a363-4385-1a0f2ace2028@subich.com> References: <8ffb6660-ca30-81cf-a982-c05b0aa1efcb@globetrotter.net> <09acbe33-24f1-a363-4385-1a0f2ace2028@subich.com> Message-ID: Check this out. http://www.nx1p.net/what-is-a-kx3-band-decoder/ -- Rick Genesis 1-29 From ghyoungman at gmail.com Mon Mar 5 15:14:14 2018 From: ghyoungman at gmail.com (GRANT YOUNGMAN) Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2018 15:14:14 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 and FT8 In-Reply-To: References: <017301d3b3f3$38e25c20$aaa71460$@cox.net> Message-ID: <6E319D73-54BF-4507-B504-ACF72A6C0B3A@gmail.com> Well, then .. what good is it If it can?t make Honor Roll on its own? Too much work. ?. ;-) > There is more to the mode than pushing a button and waiting for your honor roll DXCC to come in. > Grant NQ5T K3 #2091, KX3 #8342 From ta2ah at outlook.com Mon Mar 5 15:18:22 2018 From: ta2ah at outlook.com (Ruchan OZATAY) Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2018 20:18:22 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Full KX3 Line sale announcement in e-Buy Message-ID: if you interested in please klick the following link: https://www.ebay.com/itm/123000999749?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649 Ruchan Ozatay, TA2AH From jwpetrov at gmail.com Mon Mar 5 19:20:06 2018 From: jwpetrov at gmail.com (Jed Petrovich) Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2018 17:20:06 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] ERR AT3 on K3 Message-ID: Hello all: Over the weekend I was getting an ERR AT3 on my K3 when I first turn on the radio. I did read in the manual about removing the KAT3, but decided just to try setting the Config to "not inst" and the message no longer appears during power up. The radio seems to work just fine without the tuner "installed". Is it likely the KAT3 is the problem or could it be something else? Also wondering it is possible to have the KAT3 repaired. Thanks, Jed AD7KG From n7xy at n7xy.net Mon Mar 5 19:35:41 2018 From: n7xy at n7xy.net (Bob Nielsen) Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2018 16:35:41 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] [OT] The Ultimate List of Hobbies for Men In-Reply-To: References: <1327004029.8123480.1520201206774.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1327004029.8123480.1520201206774@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <275ebfde-0d25-a56c-22f9-7e9a390223e3@n7xy.net> I misread the title and thought it was hobbies for us men over 75 until I saw parkour listed (which I couldn't have done even when I was younger without falling on my face.? I have done over half of those activities however. Bob, N7XY On 3/4/18 3:47 PM, Tony Estep wrote: > On Sun, Mar 4, 2018 at 4:06 PM, Al Lorona wrote: > >> ...our hobby is listed at #2... >> https://www.artofmanliness.com/2016/01/25/the-ultimate- >> list-of-hobbies-for-men-75-ideas-for-your-free-time/ > ================= > I note that lock-picking is ranked higher than BBQing. > > Tony KT0NY > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n7xy at n7xy.net > From donwilh at embarqmail.com Mon Mar 5 19:40:23 2018 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2018 19:40:23 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] ERR AT3 on K3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <58641c60-24dc-2e00-d35e-49edade83f6f@embarqmail.com> Jed, I would suggest unplugging the KAT3 and re-inserting it. Sometimes that will wipe the contact pins of any oxidation and correct the problem. Consult the K3 Assembly manual to see how to install the KAT3, reverse the steps to remove it. Repair is possible if you are capable of troubleshooting to the component level. The schematics are available for download from the Elecraft website. If that does not resolve the problem, then contact support at elecraft.com for further actions. 73, Don W3FPR On 3/5/2018 7:20 PM, Jed Petrovich wrote: > Hello all: > > Over the weekend I was getting an ERR AT3 on my K3 when I first turn on the > radio. I did read in the manual about removing the KAT3, but decided just > to try setting the Config to "not inst" and the message no longer appears > during power up. The radio seems to work just fine without the tuner > "installed". > > Is it likely the KAT3 is the problem or could it be something else? Also > wondering it is possible to have the KAT3 repaired. From k6ll.dave at gmail.com Mon Mar 5 20:53:36 2018 From: k6ll.dave at gmail.com (Dave Hachadorian) Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2018 18:53:36 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] ERR AT3 on K3 In-Reply-To: <58641c60-24dc-2e00-d35e-49edade83f6f@embarqmail.com> References: <58641c60-24dc-2e00-d35e-49edade83f6f@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <3D41AD140C9646C5B1CADB300B9D360B@Toshiba> If your K3 does not have gold pins on the front panel, and they are getting oxidized, strange error messages may occur on power-up. Either do the gold pin mod, or hit the old tinned pins with DeoxIT. Dave Hachadorian, K6LL Yuma, AZ -----Original Message----- From: Don Wilhelm Sent: Monday, March 5, 2018 5:40 PM To: Jed Petrovich ; Elecraft Email List Subject: Re: [Elecraft] ERR AT3 on K3 Jed, I would suggest unplugging the KAT3 and re-inserting it. Sometimes that will wipe the contact pins of any oxidation and correct the problem. Consult the K3 Assembly manual to see how to install the KAT3, reverse the steps to remove it. Repair is possible if you are capable of troubleshooting to the component level. The schematics are available for download from the Elecraft website. If that does not resolve the problem, then contact support at elecraft.com for further actions. 73, Don W3FPR On 3/5/2018 7:20 PM, Jed Petrovich wrote: > Hello all: > > Over the weekend I was getting an ERR AT3 on my K3 when I first > turn on the > radio. I did read in the manual about removing the KAT3, but > decided just > to try setting the Config to "not inst" and the message no > longer appears > during power up. The radio seems to work just fine without the > tuner > "installed". > > Is it likely the KAT3 is the problem or could it be something > else? Also > wondering it is possible to have the KAT3 repaired. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to k6ll.dave at gmail.com From mteberle at mchsi.com Tue Mar 6 02:39:56 2018 From: mteberle at mchsi.com (Michael Eberle) Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2018 01:39:56 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] ERR AT3 on K3 In-Reply-To: <58641c60-24dc-2e00-d35e-49edade83f6f@embarqmail.com> References: <58641c60-24dc-2e00-d35e-49edade83f6f@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: It very well could be the pin connections. This weekend I started intermittently losing TX audio and when holding TUNE, it would go into TX, display 0 watts, and put out no power.? Shutting the K3 and power supply off and turning everything back on seemed to correct the problem once but then it started doing it again.? I removed the top cover and started checking connections of the 'TMP' cable connections. Pushing on some of the ones on the KREF3 board made the problem come and go.? It didn't seem to be any particular one though.? I ended up removing the KREF3, cleaned the (tin) pins, put everything back together and it has been working fine so far. Mike - KI0HA On 3/5/2018 19:53, Dave Hachadorian wrote: > If your K3 does not have gold pins on the front panel, and they are > getting oxidized, strange error messages may occur on power-up.? > Either do the gold pin mod, or hit the old tinned pins with DeoxIT. > > > Dave Hachadorian, K6LL > Yuma, AZ > > -----Original Message----- From: Don Wilhelm > Sent: Monday, March 5, 2018 5:40 PM > To: Jed Petrovich ; Elecraft Email List > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] ERR AT3 on K3 > > Jed, > > I would suggest unplugging the KAT3 and re-inserting it. Sometimes that > will wipe the contact pins of any oxidation and correct the problem. > Consult the K3 Assembly manual to see how to install the KAT3, reverse > the steps to remove it. > > Repair is possible if you are capable of troubleshooting to the > component level.? The schematics are available for download from the > Elecraft website. > > If that does not resolve the problem, then contact support at elecraft.com > for further actions. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > > On 3/5/2018 7:20 PM, Jed Petrovich wrote: >> Hello all: >> >> Over the weekend I was getting an ERR AT3 on my K3 when I first turn >> on the >> radio. I did read in the manual about removing the KAT3, but decided >> just >> to try setting the Config to "not inst" and the message no longer >> appears >> during power up. The radio seems to work just fine without the tuner >> "installed". >> >> Is it likely the KAT3 is the problem or could it be something else? Also >> wondering it is possible to have the KAT3 repaired. > ______________________________________________________________ From nz3o.us at gmail.com Tue Mar 6 03:21:23 2018 From: nz3o.us at gmail.com (Byron Peebles) Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2018 03:21:23 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft K3s and FT-8 in an evening Message-ID: I had a goal to take a shot at Digital modes after the 2017-2018 Major Contest Season, which ended Sunday with the close of ARRL DX SSB.? So, Monday I was determined to make as much progress as I could with something digital. My first effort was to try MMTTY, since it was already somehow integrated into my current logging software, but I'm probably a little more impatient than the program designer expects and I shortly began looking for alternatives. I have heard a lot about FT-8 so I did extensive research for two minutes on the Internet and downloaded the WSJT software.? This includes the mode everyone is talking about, FT-8.? And the interface was a little less intimidating, so? I thought I'd give it a try. First I needed to interface my PC with my K3S audio.? I never worried about this, but I wanted to have this for next contest season to use with N1MM+ Logger, so it was an acceptable priority.? What surprised me was how easy this was to accomplish.? The same cable that provides CAT Control also support bi-directional sound, so there are no analog audio cable to attach.? I simply select USB CODEC both ways and did some test recordings in Audacity to see if I could hear the radio. Yes, main receiver on left channel and sub-receiver on the right channel, so all is well.? Heading the other way, I needed to adjust things a bit. I added two important pieces of hardware to the interface between the K3s and my computer.? The first was the N6TV Y-Box, which permitted me to have more than one item connected to the K3s ACC connection on the rear panel.? The second is the W1AN TTL-Serial adapter, which is designed to mate to the ACC jack, as well.? I leveraged the W1AN adapter for PTT control and used the Keyspan USB-to-serial adapter to connect back to the PC.? That could probably be cleaner, but it works flawlessly. So, I had the radio listening and keying, but not making any noise.? What I missed is the LEVEL control that you get in DATA mode when you fiddle with the MIC level knob.? I moved it up until I had three or four bars on the ALC meter, and it seems fine.? In order to test the settings I decided to make a few contacts and after my first 50 QSOs I thought it might be good to post something here for those who, like me, are just starting out in digital. One obvious thing after making these contacts: it's different.? First, it felt disconnected from "real" radio. I'm listening to the audio in the headset hanging under the desk, but I don't have to interpret anything - the WSJT-X software does all that.? I just pushed a couple of buttons and I had a contact (most of the time, except for that 5T2 that I didn't get).? But gradually, the actual signal reports coming back and forth got very interesting.? "Why the 10db difference here?" and "Hey, I was 1db better than that guy." and so on.? And that's how it came about I couldn't stop until 50 QSOs. Each one a new WAS Digital or a new DXCC Digital.? Neat stuff. I will try other digital modes, but I want to dive a bit deeper into this software, try more bands, see the singnal reports under different conditions and understand things a little better.? This is educational, and fun.? And, I met my goal of going digital in one day.? Many thanks to N6TV and W1AN and others for their support and encouragement, and to Elecraft for making this so easy. Enjoy your day!? 73, Byron NZ3O K3s #10072 NZ30/qrp KX3 #4816 FT-8 Fan #2,223,719 (or so it seems) From ab2tc at arrl.net Tue Mar 6 07:40:02 2018 From: ab2tc at arrl.net (ab2tc) Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2018 05:40:02 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft K3s and FT-8 in an evening In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1520340002234-0.post@n2.nabble.com> Hi all, No, the major contest season has not ended. The WPX contest is still to go at the end of this month. AB2TC - Knut Byron Peebles-3 wrote > I had a goal to take a shot at Digital modes after the 2017-2018 Major > Contest Season, which ended Sunday with the close of ARRL DX SSB.? So, > Monday I was determined to make as much progress as I could with > something digital. > > -- Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ From stuckbit at gmail.com Tue Mar 6 07:51:07 2018 From: stuckbit at gmail.com (Jeff Davis) Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2018 07:51:07 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 to MacBook Pro Interface Message-ID: Curious what others are using for a USB interface from the KX3 to the MacBook Pro with all USB-C ports. 73, Jeff KE9V From jwpetrov at gmail.com Tue Mar 6 09:50:23 2018 From: jwpetrov at gmail.com (Jed Petrovich) Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2018 07:50:23 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] ERR AT3 on K3 In-Reply-To: References: <58641c60-24dc-2e00-d35e-49edade83f6f@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: Don... I removed the KAT3, cleaned the contacts as you suggested. Seems to be working fine for now. Thanks for the tip. Dave... I previously had problems with the front panel pins. They have since been replaced with gold pins. Haven't had further issues. Mike... thanks for your reply as well. Sounds like it may be a good idea to check all the pins in the rig at some point. Jed AD7KG On Tue, Mar 6, 2018 at 12:39 AM, Michael Eberle wrote: > It very well could be the pin connections. > > This weekend I started intermittently losing TX audio and when holding > TUNE, it would go into TX, display 0 watts, and put out no power. Shutting > the K3 and power supply off and turning everything back on seemed to > correct the problem once but then it started doing it again. I removed the > top cover and started checking connections of the 'TMP' cable connections. > Pushing on some of the ones on the KREF3 board made the problem come and > go. It didn't seem to be any particular one though. I ended up removing > the KREF3, cleaned the (tin) pins, put everything back together and it has > been working fine so far. > > Mike - KI0HA > > On 3/5/2018 19:53, Dave Hachadorian wrote: > >> If your K3 does not have gold pins on the front panel, and they are >> getting oxidized, strange error messages may occur on power-up. Either do >> the gold pin mod, or hit the old tinned pins with DeoxIT. >> >> >> Dave Hachadorian, K6LL >> Yuma, AZ >> >> -----Original Message----- From: Don Wilhelm >> Sent: Monday, March 5, 2018 5:40 PM >> To: Jed Petrovich ; Elecraft Email List >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] ERR AT3 on K3 >> >> Jed, >> >> I would suggest unplugging the KAT3 and re-inserting it. Sometimes that >> will wipe the contact pins of any oxidation and correct the problem. >> Consult the K3 Assembly manual to see how to install the KAT3, reverse >> the steps to remove it. >> >> Repair is possible if you are capable of troubleshooting to the >> component level. The schematics are available for download from the >> Elecraft website. >> >> If that does not resolve the problem, then contact support at elecraft.com >> for further actions. >> >> 73, >> Don W3FPR >> >> >> On 3/5/2018 7:20 PM, Jed Petrovich wrote: >> >>> Hello all: >>> >>> Over the weekend I was getting an ERR AT3 on my K3 when I first turn on >>> the >>> radio. I did read in the manual about removing the KAT3, but decided just >>> to try setting the Config to "not inst" and the message no longer appears >>> during power up. The radio seems to work just fine without the tuner >>> "installed". >>> >>> Is it likely the KAT3 is the problem or could it be something else? Also >>> wondering it is possible to have the KAT3 repaired. >>> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to jwpetrov at gmail.com > From rmcgraw at blomand.net Tue Mar 6 10:19:23 2018 From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX) Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2018 09:19:23 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Quality Terminal lugs Message-ID: <3e2318a7-1c5f-d043-0ae8-2fb455ada96c@blomand.net> I use VACO lugs and crimping tools.? These are found at electronic supply houses.??? For DC power and ground bonding of station equipment, I use #10 AWG auto primary wire.? It is available in multiple colors and has fine strands making it flexible and easy to work with. I also flow solder into the crimped sleeve area starting with the ring side and NOT the wire side.??? Don't allow much if any solder to wick into the wire as it will stiffen and can break with repeated movements. 73 Bob, K4TAX Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2018 10:33:57 -0500 From:"john at kk9a.com" To:elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] A momentary BAT LOW warning Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain;charset=utf-8 I am glad that you found the problem relatively easily Barry. I am wondering who makes quality lugs and crimping tools? I am not impressed with the ones that I buy at the big box stores. John KK9A Barry w2up wrote: John, I wasn't using the Astron-supplied lug. I crimped another lug onto the cable. Somehow, the wire within the crimp worked itself loose, after 10+ years. Barry W2UP From rsoifer1 at aol.com Tue Mar 6 10:20:02 2018 From: rsoifer1 at aol.com (rsoifer1 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2018 10:20:02 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Digest, Vol 167, Issue 9 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <161fbe5dd6c-1796-5a923@webjas-vad223.srv.aolmail.net> Alan, I have the KX3, KXPA and KPA500, but not the KAT. Instead, I am using the LDG AT-1000ProII. With the KPA off or in standby mode, I put the KX3 into XMIT and auto-tune the LDG. Then, I hit ATU TUNE on the KX3. The power indication on the KX3 will not include the KPA output, but it does indicate the drive power. So, I set the KXPA for the proper amount of drive for the KPA, typically between 30 and 40 watts for 500-600 watts output. The KX3 can also drive the KPA directly, without using the KXPA. With 12-15 watts drive from the KX3, the KPA will put out 200-250 watts (typical). 73 Ray W2RS -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-request To: elecraft Sent: Tue, Mar 6, 2018 7:56 am Subject: Elecraft Digest, Vol 167, Issue 90 and 40 Send Elecraft mailing list submissions to elecraft at mailman.qth.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to elecraft-request at mailman.qth.net You can reach the person managing the list at elecraft-owner at mailman.qth.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Elecraft digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: [OT] The Ultimate List of Hobbies for Men (kevinr) 2. K3- wide variety of questions and topics (rlvz at aol.com) 3. Re: [OT] The Ultimate List of Hobbies for Men (Michael Eberle) 4. Re: [OT] The Ultimate List of Hobbies for Men (Edward R Cole) 5. Re: KPA1500 and FT8 (David Woolley) 6. Re: [OT] The Ultimate List of Hobbies for Men (David Cutter) 7. Re: 2 meter Linear and ALC with K3 (G4GNX) 8. Re: 2 meter Linear and ALC with K3 (G4GNX) 9. A momentary BAT LOW warning (john at kk9a.com) 10. KPA500/KAT-500-K (Chuck Chandler) 11. Re: [P3 panadapter]: rs232 output working with logging software (Gary Slagel) 12. KX3 -> KXPA100 -> KPA500 -> KAT500? (Alan Lambert) 13. Re: KX3 -> KXPA100 -> KPA500 -> KAT500? (Don Wilhelm) 14. Re: KPA1500 and FT8 (W0MU Mike Fatchett) 15. Re: KX3 AND BAND DECODER (Rick Robinson) 16. Re: KPA1500 and FT8 (GRANT YOUNGMAN) 17. Full KX3 Line sale announcement in e-Buy (Ruchan OZATAY) 18. ERR AT3 on K3 (Jed Petrovich) 19. Re: [OT] The Ultimate List of Hobbies for Men (Bob Nielsen) 20. Re: ERR AT3 on K3 (Don Wilhelm) 21. Re: ERR AT3 on K3 (Dave Hachadorian) 22. Re: ERR AT3 on K3 (Michael Eberle) 23. Elecraft K3s and FT-8 in an evening (Byron Peebles) 24. Re: Elecraft K3s and FT-8 in an evening (ab2tc) 25. KX3 to MacBook Pro Interface (Jeff Davis) 26. Re: ERR AT3 on K3 (Jed Petrovich) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2018 21:00:26 -0800 From: kevinr To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [OT] The Ultimate List of Hobbies for Men Message-ID: <7768d8e8-666f-3e20-ea9b-91093c16f051 at coho.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed You have done all of those at once?! ??? Kevin.? KD5ONS On 03/04/2018 07:58 PM, Charlie T wrote: > I think I maybe did 2 or possibly 3 of those listed. > > However, Bunge jumping, Sky Diving and Alligator Wrestling were curiously > absent. > > 73, Charlie k3ICH ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2018 00:13:05 -0500 From: rlvz at aol.com To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] K3- wide variety of questions and topics Message-ID: <161f493d45d-17a1-57abf at webjas-vac208.srv.aolmail.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 I really appreciate the wide variety of questions and topics that arise on this reflector about the K3 which includes problems encountered while using a K3. ?Recently, I learned some valuable information about how to setup my K3 so it receives FT8 signals better, and on how to setup my K3 transmitter so it keys faster. ?(turn the VOX off and use PTT) ?Though I'm mainly a contester, and then a DX'er, FT8 is quickly becoming a great tool for working DX. ?Since I'm mainly a contester, I'm looking forward to the day when I can operate a FT8 contest. ?But for now, I'm very happy to use FT8 on my K3 as another tool for working DX. ? Thank You Elecraft for allowing a wide variety of topics relating to the K3 on this Reflector. ? 73, Dick- K9OM ? ? In a message dated 3/4/2018 11:10:51 PM Eastern Standard Time, elecraft-request at mailman.qth.net writes: ? Phil, Questions about your K3 and any other Elecraft product are quite welcome. This reflector covers all Elecraft products as well as problems owners encounter when using them. FT8 is causing some confusion for owners new to digital modes, and that is why it is currently producing a lot of questions - we are trying to help. Stick around and you can glean a lot of information from this group, not only about your K3, but a lot more too. ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2018 23:23:46 -0600 From: Michael Eberle To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [OT] The Ultimate List of Hobbies for Men Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Apparently they haven't researched the cost of flight training lately.? "Pilot lessons can run a couple thousand dollars..." It's closer to ten thousand for a private pilot license. Mike - KI0HA On 3/4/2018 16:06, Al Lorona wrote: > I found it mildly gratifying that our hobby is listed at #2 of these 75: > > > https://www.artofmanliness.com/2016/01/25/the-ultimate-list-of-hobbies-for-men-75-ideas-for-your-free-time/ > Certainly, climbing a tower, sticking your hands into the HV compartment of an amplifier, or emergency communication under adverse conditions would require a modicum of manliness. > > (Begging the pardon of the ladies among us.) > > > Al W6LX > ______________________________________________________________ > ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2018 01:01:21 -0900 From: Edward R Cole To: Elecraft Reflector Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [OT] The Ultimate List of Hobbies for Men Message-ID: <201803051001.w25A1O6Q019535 at mail40c28.carrierzone.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed done 27, but many not currently Ball room dancing class in college was a great way to meet women! 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com Dubus-NA Business mail: dubususa at gmail.com ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2018 10:03:00 +0000 From: David Woolley To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA1500 and FT8 Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed I believe at least some of the DSP filters in the K3 are FIR (Finite Impulse Response) ones, which should be phase linear. The roofing filters will not be phase linear, so I would think you could get away with using a narrow DSP filter, as long as you used a relatively wide roofing filter. This will still leave the ADC, and the analogue circuitry between the roofing filter and it, open to overloads, but will protect the sound card. On 04/03/18 21:15, Jim Brown wrote: > There is a VERY good reason why WSJT developer, K1JT, advises users to > use wide IF bandwidth, and it's NOT the panoramic display. The reason is > that filters introduce phase shift in the passband, and phase shift is > the enemy of good decoding. The same physics, by ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2018 11:01:39 -0000 From: "David Cutter" To: "Elecraft Reflector" , "Edward R Cole" Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [OT] The Ultimate List of Hobbies for Men Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response I teach modern jive which is now far more popular than ballroom dancing which I trained in in my 20's. Now in my 70's this has a very healthy following and is far easier to learn without private lessons. I met both my XYLs (40 years apart) at dance venues. Mostly popular with >40 year-olds. David G3UNA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edward R Cole" To: "Elecraft Reflector" Sent: Monday, March 05, 2018 10:01 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [OT] The Ultimate List of Hobbies for Men > done 27, but many not currently > Ball room dancing class in college was a great way to meet women! > > 73, Ed - KL7UW > http://www.kl7uw.com > Dubus-NA Business mail: > dubususa at gmail.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to d.cutter at ntlworld.com ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2018 13:31:48 -0000 From: "G4GNX" To: Subject: Re: [Elecraft] 2 meter Linear and ALC with K3 Message-ID: <4FF41AC7CE4F4B059D3D255EBBAB83BD at G4GNXLaptop> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8"; reply-type=response Thanks Don. The amp ALC line uses an audio oscillator and diode to generate the negative voltage, so I can leave it out or add an extra gate for 5V or GND. 73, Alan. G4GNX -----Original Message----- From: Don Wilhelm Sent: Sunday, March 4, 2018 9:34 PM To: G4GNX ; elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] 2 meter Linear and ALC with K3 Alan, I would strongly recommend you use the Transmit Inhibit in the ACC connector instead (pin 7). See page 21 of the K3S manual and page 66 for the menu (note it is a Tech mode entry). If you do not have a contact to either ground or +5v in that amplifier, You may have to devise an intervening circuit to provide either ground or +5v to ACC pin 7. You should not apply a negative voltage to that pin. 73, Don W3FPR On 3/4/2018 4:04 PM, G4GNX wrote: > I'm about to build a linear amplifier for 2 meters and the design I've > chosen sends a negative voltage to the driving rig's ALC line to inhibit > RF input, whilst the linear goes through a TX sequence. > > In view of the way that ALC is used differently with the K3S and KPA500, > does the use of ALC in this way seem feasible for use with the K144XV > transverter? > ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2018 13:36:13 -0000 From: "G4GNX" To: Subject: Re: [Elecraft] 2 meter Linear and ALC with K3 Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8"; reply-type=response Hi Peter. I would have used the K3S power control anyway, but I'll modify the circuitry to accommodate the K3S TX Inhibit. A QSO should be possible on 2M (even without the linear). My take-off to the West is good and the slightest lift in conditions seems to get me to West Wales etc., 73, Alan. G4GNX -----Original Message----- From: Peter Torry via Elecraft Sent: Sunday, March 4, 2018 11:22 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] 2 meter Linear and ALC with K3 Hi Alan, I would strongly recommend that you do NOT use ALC for any form of control signal or drive limiting. For control use the inhibit on the acc connector and for power output use the K3 pwr control. Look forward to hearing you on 2m. 73 Peter G3SMT ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2018 10:33:57 -0500 From: "john at kk9a.com" To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] A momentary BAT LOW warning Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain;charset=utf-8 I am glad that you found the problem relatively easily Barry. I am wondering who makes quality lugs and crimping tools? I am not impressed with the ones that I buy at the big box stores. John KK9A Barry w2up wrote: John, I wasn't using the Astron-supplied lug. I crimped another lug onto the cable. Somehow, the wire within the crimp worked itself loose, after 10+ years. Barry W2UP ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2018 09:41:47 -0600 From: Chuck Chandler To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500/KAT-500-K Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" They arrived Thursday. Between Thursday night and Friday morning I built the amplifier. Thursday afternoon I built the tuner. No issues with either except the tuner was missing a silicone thermal pad. An exchange of emails quickly determined I could use one I had on hand. Nice to get quick responses from people who know the product! The amp was used for the entire contest weekend without a hint of trouble. I tried to watch the power out and keep it out of the red. Even when I was on a small run the temp never got above 52 C. The tuner worked great as well, only a couple of times it refused to find a match when I was using low band antennas well outside their sweet spots. Nothing a button push wouldn't cure. Many thanks to the whole Elecraft gang for the great products! 73 de Chuck, WS1L -- =================== Chuck Chandler chandlerusm at gmail.com =================== ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2018 16:15:04 +0000 (UTC) From: Gary Slagel To: ROCCON GRAZIANO GIULIANO , Elecraft Reflector Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [P3 panadapter]: rs232 output working with logging software Message-ID: <1749022501.10076371.1520266504990 at mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Thanks for your help Graziano, I'm using a cable made by Dan Tassel/SPE and I think it is the same wiring as your diagram shows.? ? I did finally get it working? this morning.? ?After comparing your diagram with my wiring I was looking at software port configuration more closely and I noticed that N1MM+ recommended having stop bit set to 1...... I had it set to 2.? ?I changed it and everything started working.? Also started working when I changed it in the dxlab commander software. My takeaway is that at the faster baud rates stop bit setting is not so fussy.? ?At the slower baud rates it IS fussy.?? Thanks again, Gary?KT0A ? On Monday, March 5, 2018, 2:31:57 AM MST, ROCCON GRAZIANO GIULIANO wrote: Hi, give a look at the attached PDF for a possibile solution. I did this and it worked for me. 73's de iw2noy Graziano Il 05/03/2018 01:34, Gary Slagel via Elecraft ha scritto: > That's a good suggestion and it worked!? I tried it at 38400 and 19200 and they both worked.? ?When I went down to 9600 and 4800 it quite working.? Unfortunately, I've got an SPE amp that has to be in the same chain of equipment and that fastest it will talk is 9600. > Funny though, that the k3s will talk to the computer software and the amp at 4800 baud if the panadapter isn't in the chain. > The panadapter will only talk to the k3s at 38400 and enforces the 38400 baud rate by automatically setting the k3s to 38400.? But even when it is talking to the k3s at 38400 it lets me set its output baud rate to whatever I want.? ?So.... the strange thing is that if I set the panadapter output to 38400 or 19200 it works fb with the computer logging software ( but not the amp cuz it won't go that high) but if I set the panadapter output to 9600 or 4800 it won't talk to the computer logging software but it will talk to the elecraft k3 utility at the slower baud rate.? If I take the panadapter out of the chain the k3 and amp and computer software will all happily talk to each other at 4800 baud. > Now I'm wondering if there is such a thing as a baud rate converter that I could put inline with the amp to turn the 19200 baud rate into 4800 so it'll talk to the amp?? I'm off to scour the internet. > > > Gary SlagelAce Hardware #14814207 So ChicagoHot Springs, SD 57747(605) 890-2310KT0A >? ? > >? ? ? On Sunday, March 4, 2018, 4:52:34 PM MST, Dick Dievendorff wrote: >? >? Try setting everything to 38400 and see if that helps. The P3 needs to chit chat with the K3 and that?s best done quickly. > > I haven?t tried 4800, but 38400 works here fir me. > > 73 de Dick, K6KR > >> On Mar 4, 2018, at 14:53, Gary Slagel via Elecraft wrote: >> >> I've got my k3s rs232/p3 port connected to the panadapter XCVR rs232 port.? Panadapter PC rs232 is connected to the computer.? Set the panadapter RS232 paramater to 4800 baud.? The elecraft k3 utility on the computer talks to the K3S fb and connects at 4800 baud but neither my n1mm software or dxlab commander, both configured at 4800 baud, will talk to the K3.? If I take the panadapter out of the chain by hooking directly to the k3s rs232/p3 port directly they both talk to it fb. >> Has anyone run into a similar problem? >> Thanks for help, >> Gary SlagelAce Hardware #14814207 So ChicagoHot Springs, SD 57747(605) 890-2310KT0A >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to dick at elecraft.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to graziano at roccon.com ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2018 12:44:33 -0500 From: Alan Lambert To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 -> KXPA100 -> KPA500 -> KAT500? Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" A little help / guidance please. I have a Kx3 w/ Kxpa100 and soon I will be adding a Kpa500 / Kat500 to this mix. When you add a Kxpa100 to a Kx3 you set the power on the Kx3 from 0-110w. If you click tune on the Kx3 it tunes the tuner in the kpa100. Full integration How does all this work once you add the 500? Once you add the 500 to the mix does the Kx3 now show 0-500? Does the Kx3 "control" the 500? What is the wiring path for this? Some of its obvious; the tuners in the KX3 and the KXpa100 will need to be disabled, RF out of kpa100 to RF in on the 500. Thanks in advance, Alan Kn4bbc ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2018 13:24:15 -0500 From: Don Wilhelm To: Alan Lambert , elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 -> KXPA100 -> KPA500 -> KAT500? Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Alan, Yes, set the KXPA100 tuner to bypass - switch on the front. You will be using cabling as shown in Figure 4 page 11 of the KAT500 Owner's manual. The "output on transceiver that provides closure to ground on transmit" is the RCA jack on the rectangular box in the cable between the KX3 and the KXPA100. Note that the RCA cables which provide keying for the amplifier MUST be routed first through the KAT500 and then to the amplifier - that allows the KAT500 to disable keying the KPA500 when it is tuning. 73, Don W3FPR On 3/5/2018 12:44 PM, Alan Lambert wrote: > A little help / guidance please. > > I have a Kx3 w/ Kxpa100 and soon I will be adding a Kpa500 / Kat500 to this mix. > > When you add a Kxpa100 to a Kx3 you set the power on the Kx3 from > 0-110w. If you click tune on the Kx3 it tunes the tuner in the > kpa100. Full integration > > How does all this work once you add the 500? > > Once you add the 500 to the mix does the Kx3 now show 0-500? Does the > Kx3 "control" the 500? What is the wiring path for this? > > Some of its obvious; the tuners in the KX3 and the KXpa100 will need > to be disabled, RF out of kpa100 to RF in on the 500. > ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2018 12:41:45 -0700 From: W0MU Mike Fatchett To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA1500 and FT8 Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed They recommend turning agc off and manually adjusting RF gain. There is more to the mode than pushing a button and waiting for your honor roll DXCC to come in. W0MU On 3/4/2018 2:15 PM, Jim Brown wrote: > On 3/4/2018 11:58 AM, Erik Basilier wrote: >> The reason seems to be that they have been taught to use a wide >> receiver in >> combination with a sound card, so as to get a panoramic view >> including other >> stations. This lets a strong nearby station control the agc, and affects >> reception of stations on a range of frequencies. > > There is a VERY good reason why WSJT developer, K1JT, advises users to > use wide IF bandwidth, and it's NOT the panoramic display. The reason > is that filters introduce phase shift in the passband, and phase shift > is the enemy of good decoding. The same physics, by the way, applies > to other digital modes, including RTTY. Serious RTTY contesters have > learned that 500 Hz is a good setting. Our ears may hear off-frequency > QRM louder than the signal we're trying to detect, but the decoder > does just fine. > > This is true of both WSJT and other decoders I use for RTTY. Indeed, > even though a strong signal may APPEAR to cover much of the display, > if the strong signal is? CLEAN and you have your receive audio levels > to the computer set to that the strong signal doesn't overload the > computer, the decoder is likely to copy signals that appear to be > covered by it. If you consider AGC pumping a problem, simply turn it off. > > FWIW, with both FT8 and RTTY, I keep AGC on Slow, and set WSJT-X for > an indicated level as high as 50 dB, using the RF Gain. With this > setting, if a strong signal reduces gain in the radio, weak signals > will still be strong enough at the computer to be decoded. I mostly > use WSJT-X on 6M and 160M, but the few times I've gone to FT8 on HF to > work a DX trip, I've more than filled the 36 slots in JTAlert. So I > guess it's working. :) > > 73, Jim K9YC > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to w0mu at w0mu.com ------------------------------ Message: 15 Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2018 19:40:58 +0000 From: Rick Robinson To: "Joe Subich, W4TV" Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 AND BAND DECODER Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Check this out. http://www.nx1p.net/what-is-a-kx3-band-decoder/ -- Rick Genesis 1-29 ------------------------------ Message: 16 Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2018 15:14:14 -0500 From: GRANT YOUNGMAN To: Elecraft List Server Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA1500 and FT8 Message-ID: <6E319D73-54BF-4507-B504-ACF72A6C0B3A at gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Well, then .. what good is it If it can?t make Honor Roll on its own? Too much work. ?. ;-) > There is more to the mode than pushing a button and waiting for your honor roll DXCC to come in. > Grant NQ5T K3 #2091, KX3 #8342 ------------------------------ Message: 17 Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2018 20:18:22 +0000 From: Ruchan OZATAY To: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" Subject: [Elecraft] Full KX3 Line sale announcement in e-Buy Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" if you interested in please klick the following link: https://www.ebay.com/itm/123000999749?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649 Ruchan Ozatay, TA2AH ------------------------------ Message: 18 Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2018 17:20:06 -0700 From: Jed Petrovich To: Elecraft Email List Subject: [Elecraft] ERR AT3 on K3 Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Hello all: Over the weekend I was getting an ERR AT3 on my K3 when I first turn on the radio. I did read in the manual about removing the KAT3, but decided just to try setting the Config to "not inst" and the message no longer appears during power up. The radio seems to work just fine without the tuner "installed". Is it likely the KAT3 is the problem or could it be something else? Also wondering it is possible to have the KAT3 repaired. Thanks, Jed AD7KG ------------------------------ Message: 19 Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2018 16:35:41 -0800 From: Bob Nielsen To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [OT] The Ultimate List of Hobbies for Men Message-ID: <275ebfde-0d25-a56c-22f9-7e9a390223e3 at n7xy.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed I misread the title and thought it was hobbies for us men over 75 until I saw parkour listed (which I couldn't have done even when I was younger without falling on my face.? I have done over half of those activities however. Bob, N7XY On 3/4/18 3:47 PM, Tony Estep wrote: > On Sun, Mar 4, 2018 at 4:06 PM, Al Lorona wrote: > >> ...our hobby is listed at #2... >> https://www.artofmanliness.com/2016/01/25/the-ultimate- >> list-of-hobbies-for-men-75-ideas-for-your-free-time/ > ================= > I note that lock-picking is ranked higher than BBQing. > > Tony KT0NY > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n7xy at n7xy.net > ------------------------------ Message: 20 Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2018 19:40:23 -0500 From: Don Wilhelm To: Jed Petrovich , Elecraft Email List Subject: Re: [Elecraft] ERR AT3 on K3 Message-ID: <58641c60-24dc-2e00-d35e-49edade83f6f at embarqmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Jed, I would suggest unplugging the KAT3 and re-inserting it. Sometimes that will wipe the contact pins of any oxidation and correct the problem. Consult the K3 Assembly manual to see how to install the KAT3, reverse the steps to remove it. Repair is possible if you are capable of troubleshooting to the component level. The schematics are available for download from the Elecraft website. If that does not resolve the problem, then contact support at elecraft.com for further actions. 73, Don W3FPR On 3/5/2018 7:20 PM, Jed Petrovich wrote: > Hello all: > > Over the weekend I was getting an ERR AT3 on my K3 when I first turn on the > radio. I did read in the manual about removing the KAT3, but decided just > to try setting the Config to "not inst" and the message no longer appears > during power up. The radio seems to work just fine without the tuner > "installed". > > Is it likely the KAT3 is the problem or could it be something else? Also > wondering it is possible to have the KAT3 repaired. ------------------------------ Message: 21 Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2018 18:53:36 -0700 From: "Dave Hachadorian" To: "Reflector Elecraft" Subject: Re: [Elecraft] ERR AT3 on K3 Message-ID: <3D41AD140C9646C5B1CADB300B9D360B at Toshiba> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response If your K3 does not have gold pins on the front panel, and they are getting oxidized, strange error messages may occur on power-up. Either do the gold pin mod, or hit the old tinned pins with DeoxIT. Dave Hachadorian, K6LL Yuma, AZ -----Original Message----- From: Don Wilhelm Sent: Monday, March 5, 2018 5:40 PM To: Jed Petrovich ; Elecraft Email List Subject: Re: [Elecraft] ERR AT3 on K3 Jed, I would suggest unplugging the KAT3 and re-inserting it. Sometimes that will wipe the contact pins of any oxidation and correct the problem. Consult the K3 Assembly manual to see how to install the KAT3, reverse the steps to remove it. Repair is possible if you are capable of troubleshooting to the component level. The schematics are available for download from the Elecraft website. If that does not resolve the problem, then contact support at elecraft.com for further actions. 73, Don W3FPR On 3/5/2018 7:20 PM, Jed Petrovich wrote: > Hello all: > > Over the weekend I was getting an ERR AT3 on my K3 when I first > turn on the > radio. I did read in the manual about removing the KAT3, but > decided just > to try setting the Config to "not inst" and the message no > longer appears > during power up. The radio seems to work just fine without the > tuner > "installed". > > Is it likely the KAT3 is the problem or could it be something > else? Also > wondering it is possible to have the KAT3 repaired. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to k6ll.dave at gmail.com ------------------------------ Message: 22 Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2018 01:39:56 -0600 From: Michael Eberle To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] ERR AT3 on K3 Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed It very well could be the pin connections. This weekend I started intermittently losing TX audio and when holding TUNE, it would go into TX, display 0 watts, and put out no power.? Shutting the K3 and power supply off and turning everything back on seemed to correct the problem once but then it started doing it again.? I removed the top cover and started checking connections of the 'TMP' cable connections. Pushing on some of the ones on the KREF3 board made the problem come and go.? It didn't seem to be any particular one though.? I ended up removing the KREF3, cleaned the (tin) pins, put everything back together and it has been working fine so far. Mike - KI0HA On 3/5/2018 19:53, Dave Hachadorian wrote: > If your K3 does not have gold pins on the front panel, and they are > getting oxidized, strange error messages may occur on power-up.? > Either do the gold pin mod, or hit the old tinned pins with DeoxIT. > > > Dave Hachadorian, K6LL > Yuma, AZ > > -----Original Message----- From: Don Wilhelm > Sent: Monday, March 5, 2018 5:40 PM > To: Jed Petrovich ; Elecraft Email List > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] ERR AT3 on K3 > > Jed, > > I would suggest unplugging the KAT3 and re-inserting it. Sometimes that > will wipe the contact pins of any oxidation and correct the problem. > Consult the K3 Assembly manual to see how to install the KAT3, reverse > the steps to remove it. > > Repair is possible if you are capable of troubleshooting to the > component level.? The schematics are available for download from the > Elecraft website. > > If that does not resolve the problem, then contact support at elecraft.com > for further actions. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > > On 3/5/2018 7:20 PM, Jed Petrovich wrote: >> Hello all: >> >> Over the weekend I was getting an ERR AT3 on my K3 when I first turn >> on the >> radio. I did read in the manual about removing the KAT3, but decided >> just >> to try setting the Config to "not inst" and the message no longer >> appears >> during power up. The radio seems to work just fine without the tuner >> "installed". >> >> Is it likely the KAT3 is the problem or could it be something else? Also >> wondering it is possible to have the KAT3 repaired. > ______________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Message: 23 Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2018 03:21:23 -0500 From: Byron Peebles To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft K3s and FT-8 in an evening Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed I had a goal to take a shot at Digital modes after the 2017-2018 Major Contest Season, which ended Sunday with the close of ARRL DX SSB.? So, Monday I was determined to make as much progress as I could with something digital. My first effort was to try MMTTY, since it was already somehow integrated into my current logging software, but I'm probably a little more impatient than the program designer expects and I shortly began looking for alternatives. I have heard a lot about FT-8 so I did extensive research for two minutes on the Internet and downloaded the WSJT software.? This includes the mode everyone is talking about, FT-8.? And the interface was a little less intimidating, so? I thought I'd give it a try. First I needed to interface my PC with my K3S audio.? I never worried about this, but I wanted to have this for next contest season to use with N1MM+ Logger, so it was an acceptable priority.? What surprised me was how easy this was to accomplish.? The same cable that provides CAT Control also support bi-directional sound, so there are no analog audio cable to attach.? I simply select USB CODEC both ways and did some test recordings in Audacity to see if I could hear the radio. Yes, main receiver on left channel and sub-receiver on the right channel, so all is well.? Heading the other way, I needed to adjust things a bit. I added two important pieces of hardware to the interface between the K3s and my computer.? The first was the N6TV Y-Box, which permitted me to have more than one item connected to the K3s ACC connection on the rear panel.? The second is the W1AN TTL-Serial adapter, which is designed to mate to the ACC jack, as well.? I leveraged the W1AN adapter for PTT control and used the Keyspan USB-to-serial adapter to connect back to the PC.? That could probably be cleaner, but it works flawlessly. So, I had the radio listening and keying, but not making any noise.? What I missed is the LEVEL control that you get in DATA mode when you fiddle with the MIC level knob.? I moved it up until I had three or four bars on the ALC meter, and it seems fine.? In order to test the settings I decided to make a few contacts and after my first 50 QSOs I thought it might be good to post something here for those who, like me, are just starting out in digital. One obvious thing after making these contacts: it's different.? First, it felt disconnected from "real" radio. I'm listening to the audio in the headset hanging under the desk, but I don't have to interpret anything - the WSJT-X software does all that.? I just pushed a couple of buttons and I had a contact (most of the time, except for that 5T2 that I didn't get).? But gradually, the actual signal reports coming back and forth got very interesting.? "Why the 10db difference here?" and "Hey, I was 1db better than that guy." and so on.? And that's how it came about I couldn't stop until 50 QSOs. Each one a new WAS Digital or a new DXCC Digital.? Neat stuff. I will try other digital modes, but I want to dive a bit deeper into this software, try more bands, see the singnal reports under different conditions and understand things a little better.? This is educational, and fun.? And, I met my goal of going digital in one day.? Many thanks to N6TV and W1AN and others for their support and encouragement, and to Elecraft for making this so easy. Enjoy your day!? 73, Byron NZ3O K3s #10072 NZ30/qrp KX3 #4816 FT-8 Fan #2,223,719 (or so it seems) ------------------------------ Message: 24 Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2018 05:40:02 -0700 (MST) From: ab2tc To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft K3s and FT-8 in an evening Message-ID: <1520340002234-0.post at n2.nabble.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Hi all, No, the major contest season has not ended. The WPX contest is still to go at the end of this month. AB2TC - Knut Byron Peebles-3 wrote > I had a goal to take a shot at Digital modes after the 2017-2018 Major > Contest Season, which ended Sunday with the close of ARRL DX SSB.? So, > Monday I was determined to make as much progress as I could with > something digital. > > -- Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ ------------------------------ Message: 25 Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2018 07:51:07 -0500 From: Jeff Davis To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 to MacBook Pro Interface Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Curious what others are using for a USB interface from the KX3 to the MacBook Pro with all USB-C ports. 73, Jeff KE9V ------------------------------ Message: 26 Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2018 07:50:23 -0700 From: Jed Petrovich To: Michael Eberle Cc: Elecraft Email List Subject: Re: [Elecraft] ERR AT3 on K3 Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Don... I removed the KAT3, cleaned the contacts as you suggested. Seems to be working fine for now. Thanks for the tip. Dave... I previously had problems with the front panel pins. They have since been replaced with gold pins. Haven't had further issues. Mike... thanks for your reply as well. Sounds like it may be a good idea to check all the pins in the rig at some point. Jed AD7KG On Tue, Mar 6, 2018 at 12:39 AM, Michael Eberle wrote: > It very well could be the pin connections. > > This weekend I started intermittently losing TX audio and when holding > TUNE, it would go into TX, display 0 watts, and put out no power. Shutting > the K3 and power supply off and turning everything back on seemed to > correct the problem once but then it started doing it again. I removed the > top cover and started checking connections of the 'TMP' cable connections. > Pushing on some of the ones on the KREF3 board made the problem come and > go. It didn't seem to be any particular one though. I ended up removing > the KREF3, cleaned the (tin) pins, put everything back together and it has > been working fine so far. > > Mike - KI0HA > > On 3/5/2018 19:53, Dave Hachadorian wrote: > >> If your K3 does not have gold pins on the front panel, and they are >> getting oxidized, strange error messages may occur on power-up. Either do >> the gold pin mod, or hit the old tinned pins with DeoxIT. >> >> >> Dave Hachadorian, K6LL >> Yuma, AZ >> >> -----Original Message----- From: Don Wilhelm >> Sent: Monday, March 5, 2018 5:40 PM >> To: Jed Petrovich ; Elecraft Email List >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] ERR AT3 on K3 >> >> Jed, >> >> I would suggest unplugging the KAT3 and re-inserting it. Sometimes that >> will wipe the contact pins of any oxidation and correct the problem. >> Consult the K3 Assembly manual to see how to install the KAT3, reverse >> the steps to remove it. >> >> Repair is possible if you are capable of troubleshooting to the >> component level. The schematics are available for download from the >> Elecraft website. >> >> If that does not resolve the problem, then contact support at elecraft.com >> for further actions. >> >> 73, >> Don W3FPR >> >> >> On 3/5/2018 7:20 PM, Jed Petrovich wrote: >> >>> Hello all: >>> >>> Over the weekend I was getting an ERR AT3 on my K3 when I first turn on >>> the >>> radio. I did read in the manual about removing the KAT3, but decided just >>> to try setting the Config to "not inst" and the message no longer appears >>> during power up. The radio seems to work just fine without the tuner >>> "installed". >>> >>> Is it likely the KAT3 is the problem or could it be something else? Also >>> wondering it is possible to have the KAT3 repaired. >>> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to jwpetrov at gmail.com > ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Post to: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft You must be a subscriber to post. Elecraft web page: http://www.elecraft.com End of Elecraft Digest, Vol 167, Issue 9 **************************************** From phystad at mac.com Tue Mar 6 10:19:12 2018 From: phystad at mac.com (Phil Hystad) Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2018 07:19:12 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 to MacBook Pro Interface In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I use Apple's USB-C to USB adapter. $19 cost I think. I actually have a bunch of them for my Macbook Pro and two iMac computers in the house. 73, phil, K7PEH > On Mar 6, 2018, at 4:51 AM, Jeff Davis wrote: > > Curious what others are using for a USB interface from the KX3 to the > MacBook Pro with all USB-C ports. > > 73, Jeff KE9V From gliderboy1955 at yahoo.com Tue Mar 6 12:06:25 2018 From: gliderboy1955 at yahoo.com (eric norris) Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2018 17:06:25 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 + KXPA100 + CAT Control References: <1038073669.10915210.1520355985061.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1038073669.10915210.1520355985061@mail.yahoo.com> I am a bit flummoxed as to how to set this up.? I can't find anything in the KX2 or KXPA100 manuals.? I am at a remote site for today only, so please email me directly if you can help.?? I have the KX2 working fine with the KXPA100, and an FT817 + KXPA100 + CAT working with a rigblaster.?? Shirley there is a way to do this with the KX2.? :-) Thanks and 73 Eric WD6DBM Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android From k9ztv at socket.net Tue Mar 6 12:30:41 2018 From: k9ztv at socket.net (KENT TRIMBLE) Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2018 11:30:41 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] FT 8 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I did a Show-N-Tell with our club?s CW class last Saturday using my 46-year old Hallicrafters T.O. Keyer so they could operate the first successful commercial electronic keyer, and to underscore how viable vintage tube gear still can be.? To add luster, I dug through old log books to resurrect that oft-remembered, highly enjoyable, and technically informative hour-long QSO I had on May 24, 1976, with Jim Ricks, W9TO, the original designer of that mercury-wetted relay circuit, and in whose honor Bill Halligan named the keyer when he put it into production (a courtesy Martin Jue has yet to learn). Forty-six years from now I hope hams will enjoy showing off their old towers and laptops to each other as they try in vain to remember memorable conversations with living human beings that never took place. 73, Kent? K9ZTV On 3/3/2018 5:57 PM, William Levy wrote: > As an old dog I am sorry to see that FT8 has become all the rage. > I grew up with a few vacuum tubes and a dipole. AM carrier controlled, 5 > tube receivers. Loved CW when I had very little. Love SSB with big antennas > and towers. > > FT8 changes the game. No more rag chews. So this is what DX has become. No > big power, no big antennas. Someone will write an app that will tell the > radio to keep calling cq and log contacts. V.2 of the App will record new > prefixes and club log it. > > I may feel critical as I write this but the future is not mine and all is > fair in love and war. > > Sincerely, Bill N2WL > From donwilh at embarqmail.com Tue Mar 6 13:12:05 2018 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2018 13:12:05 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 + KXPA100 + CAT Control In-Reply-To: <1038073669.10915210.1520355985061@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1038073669.10915210.1520355985061.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1038073669.10915210.1520355985061@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Eric, In addition to the KXPACBL, you need the KX2ACBL to separate the computer control and the Key Out signals. Yes, the computer connection is still to the KXPA100, but the KX2 has only one ACC jack and the KX3 has ACC1 and ACC2 jacks. You plug the KX2ACBL into the KX2 ACC jack and that cable splits out to two jacks which mate with the two plugs on the KXPACBL. Other than for that fact, the connections are just like with the KX3. 73, Don W3FPR On 3/6/2018 12:06 PM, eric norris via Elecraft wrote: > I am a bit flummoxed as to how to set this up.? I can't find anything in the KX2 or KXPA100 manuals.? I am at a remote site for today only, so please email me directly if you can help. > I have the KX2 working fine with the KXPA100, and an FT817 + KXPA100 + CAT working with a rigblaster. > Shirley there is a way to do this with the KX2.? :-) From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Tue Mar 6 14:25:34 2018 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2018 11:25:34 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] HF Voyager Message-ID: Here's a neat operation using a KX3. Thanks to this "heads up" from Rusty, I just worked it on 20M FT8. Go to the link below to read about the operation, click on links at the bottom of the page to see details of the station (KX3, computer, audio and control interface), then click on the Portal to see where they are. For those who are chasing the CQ Field award (for which Rusty was alerting me), they're currently in CL51. http://www.jrfarc.org/hf-voyager/ 73, Jim K9YC =?? =?? =?? =?? =?? =?? =?? =?? = Hi Garry and Jim, Well, here's an interesting one for you guys.? This afternoon I worked KH6JF/mm in Grid CL (we all need it).? I was already late for an appointment so I ran out the door as soon as I finished my QSO without time to call either of you on the telephone to alert you. I'm so sorry about that.? But after I got back home tonight, I did some research on this station.? It turns out it is a floating, unmanned robotic station slowly making its way from Hawaii to California. I see no reason why this should not count for the Field Award, so you guys should be on the lookout for it. KH6JF is operating on FT8 on 20m. Apparently it does not call CQ, but it will respond to stations who call it (that's how it worked for me anyway). So if you can operate on FT8 mode, I suggest late afternoon our time you tune to 14074 kHz and just call KH6JF/mm blind and see what happens.? The robot uploads its log to its website (see QRZ.com for that link) every five minutes when its batteries are charged enough for it to do so, so you can actually check to see if your QSO is there. Good luck, Rusty, W6OAT HF Voyager From w4edn at bellsouth.net Tue Mar 6 14:55:42 2018 From: w4edn at bellsouth.net (Bill Heybruck) Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2018 14:55:42 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] case for k2 Message-ID: this made a great case for my k2-100 and kant100 with mic , key and cables at $39.99 w/o 20% off coupon found in most magazines. https://www.harborfreight.com/3800-watertight-protective-case-16-516-in-63927.html 3800 case From mike.flowers at gmail.com Tue Mar 6 15:15:38 2018 From: mike.flowers at gmail.com (Mike Flowers) Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2018 12:15:38 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] HF Voyager In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <010401d3b587$e54ae6e0$afe0b4a0$@gmail.com> Thanks, Jim - that was pretty cool! - 73 and good DX de Mike, K6MKF, Past President - NCDXC > -----Original Message----- > From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net > On Behalf Of Jim Brown > Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2018 11:26 AM > To: Reflector Elecraft > Subject: [Elecraft] HF Voyager > > Here's a neat operation using a KX3. Thanks to this "heads up" from Rusty, I just > worked it on 20M FT8. Go to the link below to read about the operation, click on > links at the bottom of the page to see details of the station (KX3, computer, > audio and control interface), then click on the Portal to see where they are. For > those who are chasing the CQ Field award (for which Rusty was alerting me), > they're currently in CL51. > > http://www.jrfarc.org/hf-voyager/ > > 73, Jim K9YC > > = = = = = = = = = > > Hi Garry and Jim, > > Well, here's an interesting one for you guys. This afternoon I worked KH6JF/mm > in Grid CL (we all need it). I was already late for an appointment so I ran out the > door as soon as I finished my QSO without time to call either of you on the > telephone to alert you. I'm so sorry about that. But after I got back home > tonight, I did some research on this station. It turns out it is a floating, > unmanned robotic station slowly making its way from Hawaii to California. I see > no reason why this should not count for the Field Award, so you guys should be > on the lookout for it. > > KH6JF is operating on FT8 on 20m. Apparently it does not call CQ, but it will > respond to stations who call it (that's how it worked for me anyway). So if you > can operate on FT8 mode, I suggest late afternoon our time you tune to 14074 > kHz and just call KH6JF/mm blind and see what happens. The robot uploads its > log to its website (see QRZ.com for that > link) every five minutes when its batteries are charged enough for it to do so, so > you can actually check to see if your QSO is there. > > Good luck, > > Rusty, W6OAT > > HF Voyager > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message > delivered to mike.flowers at gmail.com From charles9415 at att.net Tue Mar 6 15:40:54 2018 From: charles9415 at att.net (Chuck Guenther) Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2018 14:40:54 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Old Keyers (was: FT 8) Message-ID: I used a HA-1 keyer during the early 1960's.? However, it was not the first successful commercial electronic keyer! It was my third keyer.? My first keyer was the "Mon Key," which did not have self-completing code elements, and my second was a Eldico, which was self-completing.? Both these earlier keyers had built in paddles. 73,? Chuck? NI0C On 3/03/2018, Kent Trimble wrote: I did a Show-N-Tell with our club?s CW class last Saturday using my 46-year old Hallicrafters T.O. Keyer so they could operate the first successful commercial electronic keyer, and to underscore how viable vintage tube gear still can be." From k4to.dave at gmail.com Tue Mar 6 16:02:45 2018 From: k4to.dave at gmail.com (Dave Sublette) Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2018 16:02:45 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Old Keyers (was: FT 8) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: When I was a teenager, 61 years ago, I saw a U.S. Navy manual with a photo of a Mon-Key. It was a WWII era manual. At the top and botomof the pare was printed "Confidential". Evidently the keyer was important enough to warrant being classified hardware. I had a teen buddy who had one and we used it to work SS in 1958. 73, Dave, K4TO On Tue, Mar 6, 2018 at 3:40 PM, Chuck Guenther wrote: > I used a HA-1 keyer during the early 1960's. However, it was not the > first successful commercial electronic keyer! > > It was my third keyer. My first keyer was the "Mon Key," which did not > have self-completing code elements, and my second was a Eldico, which was > self-completing. Both these earlier keyers had built in paddles. > > 73, Chuck NI0C > > > On 3/03/2018, Kent Trimble wrote: > > I did a Show-N-Tell with our club?s CW class last Saturday using my > 46-year old Hallicrafters T.O. Keyer so they could operate the first > successful commercial electronic keyer, and to underscore how viable > vintage tube gear still can be." > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k4to at arrl.net From scott.small at gmail.com Tue Mar 6 16:04:28 2018 From: scott.small at gmail.com (Tox) Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2018 13:04:28 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 to MacBook Pro Interface In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sadly, I would suggest *not* using Anker's product - I've had link stability and data corruption issues with it, as have some others. Scott On Tue, Mar 6, 2018 at 7:19 AM, Phil Hystad wrote: > I use Apple's USB-C to USB adapter. $19 cost I think. I actually have a > bunch of them for my Macbook Pro and two iMac computers in the house. > > 73, phil, K7PEH > > > On Mar 6, 2018, at 4:51 AM, Jeff Davis wrote: > > > > Curious what others are using for a USB interface from the KX3 to the > > MacBook Pro with all USB-C ports. > > > > 73, Jeff KE9V > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to scott.small at gmail.com > -- Scott Small From hhoyt at mebtel.net Tue Mar 6 16:10:20 2018 From: hhoyt at mebtel.net (Howard Hoyt) Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2018 16:10:20 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] FS: Elecraft K-Line Message-ID: Reducing overhead and underfoot, selling redundant complete Elecraft K-Line setup. Lightly used and owned by a broadcast engineer, kept covered, non-smoking home. All units work excellently as new.? New this full shack setup cost $7800, if purchased as a set will sell for $5200. If purchased as a set all cabling will be included as well. K3/100 HF 160-6M HF Transceiver - $2290 - Installed Options: KPA3A, KAT3A, KXV3, K3SSKT - CW Filters: 200, 500 Hz, SSB Filter: 2.7KHz - Accessories: K312MDKT, K3AUDPROTMDKT, PR6-10 Heil Package - $200 - HM-12 Microphone - PL-2T Boom mount with desk C-clamp - Proset IC Headset P3 Panadapter - $890 - SVGA Option installed - TX MON option, 1 sensor KPA500 160-6M 500 W HF Amplifier - $1690 KAT500 160-6M 500 W HF ATU - $490 Powerwerx SS-DV30 13.8 V 30 A Power Supply - $90 US hams only, buyer pays shipping. Will deliver within 100 miles of Chapel Hill, NC or can bring to Xenia in May. From bill at w2blc.net Tue Mar 6 16:12:29 2018 From: bill at w2blc.net (Bill) Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2018 16:12:29 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Old Keyers (was: FT 8) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I purchased a TO Keyer and a Vibroplex paddle from Allied Radio, in 1966. What an advancement from a straight key! Both are long gone now - compliments of Uncle Sam and too many moves. Bill W2BLC K-Line From cyaffey at gmail.com Tue Mar 6 16:19:56 2018 From: cyaffey at gmail.com (Carl Yaffey) Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2018 16:19:56 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Old Keyers (was: FT 8) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3E69E381-E24D-4B44-8580-0D42ED4E9126@gmail.com> Still have a TO. It?s for sale. > On Mar 6, 2018, at 4:12 PM, Bill wrote: > > I purchased a TO Keyer and a Vibroplex paddle from Allied Radio, in 1966. What an advancement from a straight key! Both are long gone now - compliments of Uncle Sam and too many moves. > > Bill W2BLC K-Line > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to cyaffey at gmail.com Carl Yaffey K8NU Recording studio. cyaffeyNO_SPAM at gmail.com 614 268 6353, Columbus OH http://www.carl-yaffey.com http://www.grassahol.com http://www.bluesswing.com From augie.hansen at comcast.net Tue Mar 6 16:21:46 2018 From: augie.hansen at comcast.net (Augie "Gus" Hansen) Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2018 14:21:46 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Old Keyers (was: FT 8) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: This is as good a time as any, I guess. I'm selling off items from the estate of my friend Marv, W0ZK. One of the items is a clean and functional T.O. Keyer, a.k.a., Hallicrafters Model HA-1. The package includes the octal control plug with the speaker jump installed. A printed copy of the Operating and Service Instructions is included (file available on line). Asking $85 shipped to US (50) destinations. PayPal, USPS money order, or check (time to clear) accepted. Proceeds go to Marv's widow to offset funeral and related expenses. Gus Hansen KB0YH On 3/6/2018 1:40 PM, Chuck Guenther wrote: > I used a HA-1 keyer during the early 1960's.? However, it was not the > first successful commercial electronic keyer! > > It was my third keyer.? My first keyer was the "Mon Key," which did > not have self-completing code elements, and my second was a Eldico, > which was self-completing.? Both these earlier keyers had built in > paddles. > > 73,? Chuck? NI0C > > > On 3/03/2018, Kent Trimble wrote: > > I did a Show-N-Tell with our club?s CW class last Saturday using my > 46-year old Hallicrafters T.O. Keyer so they could operate the first > successful commercial electronic keyer, and to underscore how viable > vintage tube gear still can be." > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to augie.hansen at comcast.net From n7bv at yahoo.com Tue Mar 6 16:38:17 2018 From: n7bv at yahoo.com (Chuck Jones) Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2018 13:38:17 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - PSK31 Message-ID: <002f01d3b593$718c5ac0$54a51040$@yahoo.com> GD, Hope this is right Email address. I apparently have something set wrong on my K3 for PSK31. Am using HRD & microKEYER (interfact) Have no problem RX'ing TX'ing seems to output as see TX on water fall and on Watt Meter however people locally don't see anything from me. K3 is in PSK31 mode. Obviously something is off, but it has been so long since I setup/used PSK31 I am lost. 73, Chuck N7BV From ki0gqrp at gmail.com Tue Mar 6 16:45:04 2018 From: ki0gqrp at gmail.com (Bob Cutter) Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2018 15:45:04 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] HF Voyager In-Reply-To: <010401d3b587$e54ae6e0$afe0b4a0$@gmail.com> References: <010401d3b587$e54ae6e0$afe0b4a0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <45378798-F6D4-44E9-AFD3-73AB48218020@gmail.com> Just worked it. What a thrill, thanks. 72, Bob KI0G > On Mar 6, 2018, at 2:15 PM, Mike Flowers wrote: > > Thanks, Jim - that was pretty cool! > > - 73 and good DX de Mike, K6MKF, Past President - NCDXC > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net >> On Behalf Of Jim Brown >> Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2018 11:26 AM >> To: Reflector Elecraft >> Subject: [Elecraft] HF Voyager >> >> Here's a neat operation using a KX3. Thanks to this "heads up" from Rusty, I just >> worked it on 20M FT8. Go to the link below to read about the operation, click on >> links at the bottom of the page to see details of the station (KX3, computer, >> audio and control interface), then click on the Portal to see where they are. For >> those who are chasing the CQ Field award (for which Rusty was alerting me), >> they're currently in CL51. >> >> http://www.jrfarc.org/hf-voyager/ >> >> 73, Jim K9YC >> >> = = = = = = = = = >> >> Hi Garry and Jim, >> >> Well, here's an interesting one for you guys. This afternoon I worked KH6JF/mm >> in Grid CL (we all need it). I was already late for an appointment so I ran out the >> door as soon as I finished my QSO without time to call either of you on the >> telephone to alert you. I'm so sorry about that. But after I got back home >> tonight, I did some research on this station. It turns out it is a floating, >> unmanned robotic station slowly making its way from Hawaii to California. I see >> no reason why this should not count for the Field Award, so you guys should be >> on the lookout for it. >> >> KH6JF is operating on FT8 on 20m. Apparently it does not call CQ, but it will >> respond to stations who call it (that's how it worked for me anyway). So if you >> can operate on FT8 mode, I suggest late afternoon our time you tune to 14074 >> kHz and just call KH6JF/mm blind and see what happens. The robot uploads its >> log to its website (see QRZ.com for that >> link) every five minutes when its batteries are charged enough for it to do so, so >> you can actually check to see if your QSO is there. >> >> Good luck, >> >> Rusty, W6OAT >> >> HF Voyager >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message >> delivered to mike.flowers at gmail.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to ki0gqrp at gmail.com From donwilh at embarqmail.com Tue Mar 6 16:54:26 2018 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2018 16:54:26 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft K3s and FT-8 in an evening In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <37ca1c57-0244-3726-802d-932298583f18@embarqmail.com> Byron, You will have better and more stable power out if you increase the audio to 4 bars solid with the 5th bar flashing. 73, Don W3FPR On 3/6/2018 3:21 AM, Byron Peebles wrote: . > > So, I had the radio listening and keying, but not making any noise. What > I missed is the LEVEL control that you get in DATA mode when you fiddle > with the MIC level knob.? I moved it up until I had three or four bars > on the ALC meter, and it seems fine.? In order to test the settings I > decided to make a few contacts and after my first 50 QSOs I thought it > might be good to post something here for those who, like me, are just > starting out in digital. > From donwilh at embarqmail.com Tue Mar 6 16:59:25 2018 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2018 16:59:25 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - PSK31 In-Reply-To: <002f01d3b593$718c5ac0$54a51040$@yahoo.com> References: <002f01d3b593$718c5ac0$54a51040$@yahoo.com> Message-ID: Chuck, It is the right address for the Elecraft Email Reflector. Are you using DATA A mode? If not you should be. Do you have audio sufficient to drive the ALC meter up to 4 bars solid with the 5th bar flashing? For more details go to my website www.w3fpr.com and scroll down to the last article in the left column - click for the link. 73, Don W3FPR On 3/6/2018 4:38 PM, Chuck Jones via Elecraft wrote: > GD, > > Hope this is right Email address. > > I apparently have something set wrong on my K3 for PSK31. > > Am using HRD & microKEYER (interfact) > > Have no problem RX'ing > > TX'ing seems to output as see TX on water fall and on Watt Meter > however people locally don't see anything from me. > > K3 is in PSK31 mode. > > Obviously something is off, but it has been so long since I setup/used > PSK31 I am lost. > > 73, Chuck N7BV > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to donwilh at embarqmail.com > From lists at subich.com Tue Mar 6 17:26:32 2018 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2018 17:26:32 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - PSK31 In-Reply-To: <002f01d3b593$718c5ac0$54a51040$@yahoo.com> References: <002f01d3b593$718c5ac0$54a51040$@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <05614d5f-2b94-d6cb-a134-451eb564b436@subich.com> See the example configuration for microKEYER (or microKEYER II as appropriate) at www.microHAM-USA.com/Support.html. In addition to following the example for your particular software, you will want to set up transmit audio levels in your sound card and microKEYER (or microKEYER II) as documented in the "Setting Audio Levels" section of your interface's Users Manual. The K3 should be in DATA -> DATA_A. MENU:MIC SEL should be set to LINE IN and the mic gain set to between 15 and 20 (as needed to achieve 4 bars of ALC *regardless of power output*). Power output should be controlled with the PWR control - typically for PSK31 you would not want to show more than 40 Watts during data transmission - although that might be 100 W on a single tone (PEP) due to the high peak to average ratio of PSK31/63/125. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 3/6/2018 4:38 PM, Chuck Jones via Elecraft wrote: > GD, > > Hope this is right Email address. > > I apparently have something set wrong on my K3 for PSK31. > > Am using HRD & microKEYER (interfact) > > Have no problem RX'ing > > TX'ing seems to output as see TX on water fall and on Watt Meter > however people locally don't see anything from me. > > K3 is in PSK31 mode. > > Obviously something is off, but it has been so long since I setup/used > PSK31 I am lost. > > 73, Chuck N7BV > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to lists at subich.com > From kevinr at coho.net Tue Mar 6 17:36:55 2018 From: kevinr at coho.net (kevinr) Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2018 14:36:55 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Old Keyers (was: FT 8) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9c77f22b-c7cb-1fde-6e81-3641ee1814a6@coho.net> The first electronics books I studied came from my dad's WWII foot locker.? He was a radioman on B17s, did a stint as a Marine Corps DI, then went to radar school in Ogden, Utah.? After that he went back to the Pacific Theater and was a radar/radioman for the rest of the war in B24s.? Each page of the radar manuals was marked with SECRET.? I thought it was kind of cool to be working with secrets even if they were 15 years old at the time.? The stack of ARC-5s was useful for my studies.? But since they were in such pristine condition I never could bring myself to cut a wire or do any soldering in them.? They were works of art. ??? 73, ??????? Kevin.? KD5ONS On 03/06/2018 01:02 PM, Dave Sublette wrote: > When I was a teenager, 61 years ago, I saw a U.S. Navy manual with a photo > of a Mon-Key. It was a WWII era manual. At the top and botomof the pare > was printed "Confidential". Evidently the keyer was important enough to > warrant being classified hardware. > > I had a teen buddy who had one and we used it to work SS in 1958. > > 73, > > Dave, K4TO > > On Tue, Mar 6, 2018 at 3:40 PM, Chuck Guenther wrote: > >> I used a HA-1 keyer during the early 1960's. However, it was not the >> first successful commercial electronic keyer! >> >> It was my third keyer. My first keyer was the "Mon Key," which did not >> have self-completing code elements, and my second was a Eldico, which was >> self-completing. Both these earlier keyers had built in paddles. >> >> 73, Chuck NI0C >> >> >> On 3/03/2018, Kent Trimble wrote: >> >> I did a Show-N-Tell with our club?s CW class last Saturday using my >> 46-year old Hallicrafters T.O. Keyer so they could operate the first >> successful commercial electronic keyer, and to underscore how viable >> vintage tube gear still can be." >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to k4to at arrl.net > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to kevinr at coho.net From frantz at pwpconsult.com Tue Mar 6 19:31:21 2018 From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz) Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2018 16:31:21 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] HF Voyager In-Reply-To: <45378798-F6D4-44E9-AFD3-73AB48218020@gmail.com> Message-ID: I just worked it in CL51. It was calling CQ and I got a response on my first call. It was -05 dB and I was +05 dB with 100W to a 5 band trapped vertical (raised with 4 raised tuned radials. 73 Bill AE6JV On 3/6/18 at 1:45 PM, ki0gqrp at gmail.com (Bob Cutter) wrote: >Just worked it. >What a thrill, thanks. >72, Bob KI0G >>On Mar 6, 2018, at 2:15 PM, Mike Flowers wrote: >> >>Thanks, Jim - that was pretty cool! >> >>- 73 and good DX de Mike, K6MKF, Past President - NCDXC >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net >>> On Behalf Of Jim Brown >>> Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2018 11:26 AM >>> To: Reflector Elecraft >>> Subject: [Elecraft] HF Voyager >>> Here's a neat operation using a KX3. Thanks to this "heads >>>up" from Rusty, I just >>> worked it on 20M FT8. Go to the link below to read about the operation, click on >>> links at the bottom of the page to see details of the station (KX3, computer, >>> audio and control interface), then click on the Portal to see where they are. For >>> those who are chasing the CQ Field award (for which Rusty was alerting me), >>> they're currently in CL51. >>> http://www.jrfarc.org/hf-voyager/ >>> 73, Jim K9YC >>> = = = = = = = = = >>> Hi Garry and Jim, >>> ... This afternoon I worked KH6JF/mm in Grid CL (we all >>>need it). >>> KH6JF is operating on FT8 on 20m. Apparently it does not call CQ, but it will >>> respond to stations who call it (that's how it worked for me anyway). >>> ,,, >>> >> Rusty, W6OAT ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Bill Frantz |"Insofar as the propositions of mathematics refer to 408-356-8506 | reality, they are not certain; and insofar they are www.pwpconsult.com | certain, they do not refer to reality.? -- Einstein From kc2vic at gmail.com Tue Mar 6 19:42:34 2018 From: kc2vic at gmail.com (Robert Felmey) Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2018 19:42:34 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Utility Segmentation Fault in Linux Message-ID: Hi, Seems like there is a problem with the KX3 Utility running with the newer linux kernels... After updating I just started getting the following error immediately after running: Segmentation fault (core dumped) I've never had a problem before with the KX3 utility so not sure what is different. I've tried it with both the standard and lts kernel with the same result. Linux arch 4.14.23-1-lts #1 SMP Wed Feb 28 17:50:05 CET 2018 x86_64 GNU/Linux 73, Rob KC2VIC From bill at w2blc.net Tue Mar 6 20:02:24 2018 From: bill at w2blc.net (Bill) Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2018 20:02:24 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Old Keyers (was: FT 8) In-Reply-To: <3E69E381-E24D-4B44-8580-0D42ED4E9126@gmail.com> References: <3E69E381-E24D-4B44-8580-0D42ED4E9126@gmail.com> Message-ID: <915f96e3-4e47-b11a-7dd1-85b892199615@w2blc.net> I use a VizBug these days. Love it - like a well made sewing machine. Quiet!! Bill W2BLC K-Line From dennis at mail4life.net Tue Mar 6 20:03:50 2018 From: dennis at mail4life.net (Dennis Moore) Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2018 17:03:50 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] A momentary BAT LOW warning In-Reply-To: <1520179393304-0.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1520170380244-0.post@n2.nabble.com> <1520173644759-0.post@n2.nabble.com> <1520179393304-0.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: I've been having a similar BAT LOW issue only in digital modes when running more than 80w out. This past weekend I picked up some 45A APP connectors and 8 ga wire, made a new 5' power cable and all is well. 100 watts with no issue. 73, Dennis NJ6G On 3/4/2018 08:03, Barry wrote: > In transmit, the voltage was dropping from 13.3 to about 11 at the radio. > The ground wire side of the power cable had worked loose within its terminal > lug at the power supply, causing excess drop. Reattached and now the drop > is just a few tenths of a volt. Problem solved. > > Barry W2UP From dennisashworth49 at gmail.com Tue Mar 6 20:30:44 2018 From: dennisashworth49 at gmail.com (Dennis Ashworth) Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2018 20:30:44 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Advice needed: Remote Station Enhancement References: Message-ID: <89EF2A32-716B-42AA-B395-DE6AAAEE903F@gmail.com> My original post (below) morphed into a thread on standards, etc ... the discussion was insightful and useful in defining my solution to question #1 below. Thanks. Question #2 remains. How do I remotely switch between 4 positions on an RX antenna switch (e.g. K9AY switch box) via some kind of Windows based UI. Ideas? Thanks Dennis, K7FL Sent from my iPad Begin forwarded message: > From: Dennis Ashworth > Date: February 24, 2018 at 2:23:20 PM EST > To: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" > Subject: Advice needed: Remote Station Enhancement > > I?ve been remoting my K3, KPA500, KAT500 station via the RemoteRig boxes and K3/0 mini for two years with solid results. Later this year, I want to make several enhancements, including the replacement of the KPA500 and KAT500 with a KPA1500. The amp/tuner should be a fairly straightforward hardware replacement, but it does necessitate a few station changes which I?m not certain how to implement. Let me explain and hopefully the masses have ideas/approaches for consideration. > > 1. I feed a HyTower vertical (optimized for 40M & 80M) on all bands. Where the driving impedance is close to 50 ohms on 40M & 80 (my bands of interest) there has been no attempt to match the HyTower on other bands. With the KAT500, matching was not a problem and I reduced mismatch losses on the feed line by using hardline from the in-shack tuner to the antenna. > > When I switch to the KPA1500, operation on the unmatched bands might prove problematic. To address this, I plan to provide switchable matching networks to transform the HyTower drive impedance on each band to something the KPA1500 can match. I can design the required impedance transformation networks, but not sure how to automatically select the various (relay based) impedance networks required for each band. Clearly, I need to grab band data from the K3, but what?s the best hardware to use for this task? > > BTW, I want to power the KPA1500 ON with the K3, which requires a Y-cable modification, or perhaps one of the N6TV boxes? > > 2. I want to interface a K9AY RX antenna 4 position switch to some sort of UI that I can access remotely. I can design an electrical interface to the K9AY switch, but controlling and monitoring remotely is the issue. Ideas? > > 3. I have a Windows computer available at each end of the radio circuit. The only other hardware is a SignalLink used for digital mods. > > 4. Configuring the station for future antenna enhancements (e.g. SteppIR if we live long enough to see sunspots return!) are great if they come without significant reliability impacts. > > Any ideas how to accomplish the required switching/monitoring? > > Thanks > Dennis, K7FL > Currently in Panama City, Florida > Station in Battle Ground, WA > > > > > > Sent from my iPad From n7bv at yahoo.com Wed Mar 7 01:17:35 2018 From: n7bv at yahoo.com (Chuck Jones) Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2018 22:17:35 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - PSK31 Message-ID: <005201d3b5db$fd4529f0$f7cf7dd0$@yahoo.com> Thank you Joe & Don for the help. I had forgotten about how critical balancing the soundcard levels. Tks. 73, Chuck N7BV From aj4tf at arrl.net Wed Mar 7 05:55:12 2018 From: aj4tf at arrl.net (aj4tf) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2018 03:55:12 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Quality Terminal lugs In-Reply-To: <3e2318a7-1c5f-d043-0ae8-2fb455ada96c@blomand.net> References: <3e2318a7-1c5f-d043-0ae8-2fb455ada96c@blomand.net> Message-ID: <1520420112614-0.post@n2.nabble.com> No one ever got fired for specifying AMP products. (now TE) https://www.mouser.com/pdfdocs/ENG_DS_82042_StdTermsSplices_0708.pdf de AJ4TF -- Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ From kc2vic at gmail.com Wed Mar 7 08:06:31 2018 From: kc2vic at gmail.com (Robert Felmey) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2018 08:06:31 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Utility Segmentation Fault in Linux In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Looking in dmesg, I found this: [ 3817.471455] traps: kx3util[7873] general protection ip:f6771298 sp:ffb24f08 error:0 in libharfbuzz.so.0.10705.0[f6742000+ae000] On Tue, Mar 6, 2018 at 7:42 PM, Robert Felmey wrote: > Hi, > > Seems like there is a problem with the KX3 Utility running with the newer > linux kernels... After updating I just started getting the following error > immediately after running: > > Segmentation fault (core dumped) > > I've never had a problem before with the KX3 utility so not sure what is > different. I've tried it with both the standard and lts kernel with the > same result. > > Linux arch 4.14.23-1-lts #1 SMP Wed Feb 28 17:50:05 CET 2018 x86_64 > GNU/Linux > > > 73, > > Rob > KC2VIC > > > > From N9KY at arrl.net Wed Mar 7 08:50:11 2018 From: N9KY at arrl.net (Chuck Milam, N9KY) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2018 07:50:11 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Utility Segmentation Fault in Linux In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Whoa, a Linux question? Excellent. Looks the HarfBuzz shared libraries got updated (probably along with your window manager of choice) and the kx3util needs to be rebuilt (relinked? Not certain of the proper dev-speak here) to reference the newer libraries. (Sorry if I'm preaching to the choir.) See if you can get the core file to drop (you may need to do a "ulimit -c unlimited" to ensure you get one) and analyze it with gdb for more information. I wonder if you can do a workaround and keep the libharfbuzz library files that kx3util is looking for installed (maybe in /usr/local or somewhere else handy?) I'd test this myself, but I confess I gave up tilting at the windmills years ago and use Win 10 for ham radio applications. I do keep my Linux boxes around for network and vulnerability management. Right tool for the job, and all that. --- Chuck Milam, N9KY N9KY at arrl.net On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 7:06 AM, Robert Felmey wrote: > Looking in dmesg, I found this: > > [ 3817.471455] traps: kx3util[7873] general protection ip:f6771298 > sp:ffb24f08 error:0 in libharfbuzz.so.0.10705.0[f6742000+ae000] > > On Tue, Mar 6, 2018 at 7:42 PM, Robert Felmey wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > Seems like there is a problem with the KX3 Utility running with the newer > > linux kernels... After updating I just started getting the following > error > > immediately after running: > > > > Segmentation fault (core dumped) > > > > I've never had a problem before with the KX3 utility so not sure what is > > different. I've tried it with both the standard and lts kernel with the > > same result. > > > > Linux arch 4.14.23-1-lts #1 SMP Wed Feb 28 17:50:05 CET 2018 x86_64 > > GNU/Linux > > > > > > 73, > > > > Rob > > KC2VIC > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n9ky at arrl.net > From augie.hansen at comcast.net Wed Mar 7 09:19:37 2018 From: augie.hansen at comcast.net (Augie "Gus" Hansen) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2018 07:19:37 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Old Keyers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The T.O. Keyer has been sold. Thanks for the replies. Gus Hansen KB0YH From n5lz at comcast.net Wed Mar 7 11:18:35 2018 From: n5lz at comcast.net (Don Butler) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2018 09:18:35 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 S/N 45 Arrived In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: KPA1500 S/N 45 arrived at my Utah qth yesterday (Tuesday March 6) after shipping on Friday March 2. For those of you who are closely watching shipment progress and serial numbers, my prepaid order was placed on Aug 24 ten minutes after the ?now accepting orders? email had been sent ?? and the confirmation email was sent from Elecraft 11 minutes later ? 21 minutes after the announcement email. Don, N5LZ From tf3y at tf3y.net Wed Mar 7 11:20:37 2018 From: tf3y at tf3y.net (Yngvi (TF3Y)) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2018 16:20:37 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Advice needed: Remote Station Enhancement Message-ID: Hi Dennis. Have you checked what is available here: http://www.remoterig.com/wp/ 73, Yngvi TF3Y On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 1:30 AM, Dennis Ashworth wrote: > My original post (below) morphed into a thread on standards, etc ... the > discussion was insightful and useful in defining my solution to question #1 > below. Thanks. > > Question #2 remains. How do I remotely switch between 4 positions on an RX > antenna switch (e.g. K9AY switch box) via some kind of Windows based UI. > Ideas? > > Thanks > Dennis, K7FL > > > Sent from my iPad > > Begin forwarded message: > > > From: Dennis Ashworth > > Date: February 24, 2018 at 2:23:20 PM EST > > To: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" > > Subject: Advice needed: Remote Station Enhancement > > > > I?ve been remoting my K3, KPA500, KAT500 station via the RemoteRig boxes > and K3/0 mini for two years with solid results. Later this year, I want to > make several enhancements, including the replacement of the KPA500 and > KAT500 with a KPA1500. The amp/tuner should be a fairly straightforward > hardware replacement, but it does necessitate a few station changes which > I?m not certain how to implement. Let me explain and hopefully the masses > have ideas/approaches for consideration. > > > > 1. I feed a HyTower vertical (optimized for 40M & 80M) on all bands. > Where the driving impedance is close to 50 ohms on 40M & 80 (my bands of > interest) there has been no attempt to match the HyTower on other bands. > With the KAT500, matching was not a problem and I reduced mismatch losses > on the feed line by using hardline from the in-shack tuner to the antenna. > > > > When I switch to the KPA1500, operation on the unmatched bands might > prove problematic. To address this, I plan to provide switchable matching > networks to transform the HyTower drive impedance on each band to something > the KPA1500 can match. I can design the required impedance transformation > networks, but not sure how to automatically select the various (relay > based) impedance networks required for each band. Clearly, I need to grab > band data from the K3, but what?s the best hardware to use for this task? > > > > BTW, I want to power the KPA1500 ON with the K3, which requires a > Y-cable modification, or perhaps one of the N6TV boxes? > > > > 2. I want to interface a K9AY RX antenna 4 position switch to some sort > of UI that I can access remotely. I can design an electrical interface to > the K9AY switch, but controlling and monitoring remotely is the issue. > Ideas? > > > > 3. I have a Windows computer available at each end of the radio circuit. > The only other hardware is a SignalLink used for digital mods. > > > > 4. Configuring the station for future antenna enhancements (e.g. SteppIR > if we live long enough to see sunspots return!) are great if they come > without significant reliability impacts. > > > > Any ideas how to accomplish the required switching/monitoring? > > > > Thanks > > Dennis, K7FL > > Currently in Panama City, Florida > > Station in Battle Ground, WA > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent from my iPad > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to tf3y at tf3y.net -- http://www.tf3y.net From dick.w7zr at gmail.com Wed Mar 7 11:22:41 2018 From: dick.w7zr at gmail.com (Richard Zalewski) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2018 09:22:41 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 S/N 45 Arrived In-Reply-To: <20180307162008.40FCE149B3C3@mailman.qth.net> References: <20180307162008.40FCE149B3C3@mailman.qth.net> Message-ID: Great...good luck and have fun. I ordered Aug 30 so should have by the 4th of July. Richard *W7ZR* ex:5C5Z, CN2ZR, K2JSP, W6SBZ, W7KXR, K9ZIJ, W9KNF, W0KDF, W0MQU, J68ZR, KC6ZR, PJ4/W7ZR, KH2,W7ZR, KH6/W7ZR, V31ZR, VK4AAZ, XE2DV *Be joyful in hope, patient in affliction, faithful in prayer* On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 9:18 AM, Don Butler wrote: > KPA1500 S/N 45 arrived at my Utah qth yesterday (Tuesday March 6) after > shipping on Friday March 2. For those of you who are closely watching > shipment progress and serial numbers, my prepaid order was placed on Aug 24 > ten minutes after the ?now accepting orders? email had been sent ?? and the > confirmation email was sent from Elecraft 11 minutes later ? 21 minutes > after the announcement email. > > Don, N5LZ > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dick.w7zr at gmail.com From hlstephenson at gmail.com Wed Mar 7 11:41:05 2018 From: hlstephenson at gmail.com (Howard Stephenson) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2018 08:41:05 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Utility Segmentation Fault in Linux Message-ID: Hi Rob, >From the Utility info on the web site: X86-based Linux: GTK+ 2.8 or later, glibc-2.4, libstdc++.so.6 and cURL. 64-bit Linux requires 32-bit compatibility libraries. If you do a search of the reflector archives you should be able to find a list of the 32 bit libraries needed: If that is not helpful drop an e-mail to support at elecraft.com, they have a template with the needed libraries listed that they'll be happy to send you. 73, Howard Stephenson K6IA From sm.shearer.01 at gmail.com Wed Mar 7 11:47:19 2018 From: sm.shearer.01 at gmail.com (Stephen Shearer) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2018 11:47:19 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] FT8 DXpedition Mode test. Message-ID: 1. ?I had fun. 2. ?I read the Guide before, during, and after the test. 3. ?I started to 20m and was confused.? Partly because I was not hearing the FOX and was seeing stations below 1K with "R-12" reports. 4. On 20m, it did not help that XE1GK was calling CQ on top of W1/KH7Z +/- 1HZ (I did see KH7Z a few times with reports).? Being in W3 I would not "expect" to hear a W1, but the XE1 was -1 to -15 didn't help. 5. ?I saw CQ on 30m.? Since I could see both sides of the QSO, I was "starting" to figure out the change in freq to below 1K. 6. ?On 30m, now that I was calling, I figured out the Split Operation Rig/Fake It set-up.? I changed to "Rig". 7. ?On 30m, I realized, now that I could "see" the FOX that my RX bandpass did not cover 300Hz. 8. ?My KX3 with "Data A" has a wide bandpass of 400Hz to 3500Hz and shifting the RX down was not going to work with the software shift for the report, I "guess"... 9. ?I changed my KX3 to USB, removed CMP and RX/TX audio EQ.? The lower RX cut-off would receive the FOX on the assigned freq. 10. ?I looked at the KX3 manual C5 for a way to set the passband low end cutoff while in Data A mode.? Nothing found.? Does the K3s have the same problem? 11. ?On 40m, I now knew what was going on...? I heard the CQ, The FOX answered my GRID and the software moved me between 300Hz and 900HZ (the manual does say that) but until it happens, I was not sure what it meant. The FOX never "RR73" 'd me.? I was running 10 watts. 12. ?On 80m it was the same as 40m.? I was running 15w (with a fan blowing on the heatsink).? I never finished a QSO. 13. ?I had fun and thank you for the DXpedition effort. 14. ?I need to see what Elecraft has to say about the "Data A" low freq cut-off setting... 73, steve WB3LGC From torreym at q.com Wed Mar 7 12:01:04 2018 From: torreym at q.com (Torrey Mitchell) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2018 11:01:04 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 S/N 45 Arrived In-Reply-To: <20180307161949.47E50149B3A7@mailman.qth.net> References: <20180307161949.47E50149B3A7@mailman.qth.net> Message-ID: <013501d3b635$e1922690$a4b673b0$@q.com> Don, You have my full attention! The "early notification email is "postmarked" at 8:28 pm CDT on August 24th. My full prepayment receipt with confirmation # is time stamped at 8:47 pm CDT on August 24th. So, I have a fully paid order confirmed 19 minutes after the notification email was sent. If this were a "horse race", I beat out Don by a "nose" (2 minutes). But still I have received no information from Elecraft and my order on the web site still indicates "pending processing". Don, my order # is 110364. How does that compare to yours? Hundreds of orders were likely computer processed in those first few minutes. I'd love to see how they were assigned order numbers as compared to the chronological order of the transactions. We're all excited. I can't wait to get my KPA-1500! Best 73 Torrey N9PY -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of Don Butler Sent: March 7, 2018 10:19 To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 S/N 45 Arrived KPA1500 S/N 45 arrived at my Utah qth yesterday (Tuesday March 6) after shipping on Friday March 2. For those of you who are closely watching shipment progress and serial numbers, my prepaid order was placed on Aug 24 ten minutes after the ?now accepting orders? email had been sent ?? and the confirmation email was sent from Elecraft 11 minutes later ? 21 minutes after the announcement email. Don, N5LZ ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to torreym at q.com From jim at n7us.net Wed Mar 7 12:43:25 2018 From: jim at n7us.net (Jim N7US) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2018 11:43:25 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 S/N 45 Arrived In-Reply-To: <20180307161916.A0797149B3C2@mailman.qth.net> References: <20180307161916.A0797149B3C2@mailman.qth.net> Message-ID: <00ec01d3b63b$cbe14460$63a3cd20$@n7us.net> I placed my order with a $1000 deposit on 8/31. I expect them to put those who fully prepaid for their amplifiers first and those who put a $3000 deposit next in line. 73, Jim N7US -----Original Message----- KPA1500 S/N 45 arrived at my Utah qth yesterday (Tuesday March 6) after shipping on Friday March 2. For those of you who are closely watching shipment progress and serial numbers, my prepaid order was placed on Aug 24 ten minutes after the ?now accepting orders? email had been sent ?? and the confirmation email was sent from Elecraft 11 minutes later ? 21 minutes after the announcement email. Don, N5LZ From donwilh at embarqmail.com Wed Mar 7 13:42:16 2018 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2018 13:42:16 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] FT8 DXpedition Mode test. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <053dfd19-3e8a-7bed-8daf-f18d75e5a966@embarqmail.com> Stephen, In DATA A, use the SHIFT (PBT II) to shift the passband down. The widest passband is 3000 Hz. which is consistent with your 400 to 3500 Hz observation. I suggest shifting it to 150 to 3150 Hz. It will work fine for most soundcard data modes. The K3/K3S has the same behavior, but it is not a problem. 73, Don W3FPR On 3/7/2018 11:47 AM, Stephen Shearer wrote: > > 8.? ?My KX3 with "Data A" has a wide bandpass of 400Hz to 3500Hz and > ?? shifting the RX down was not going to work with the software shift > ?? for the report, I "guess"... > 9.? ?I changed my KX3 to USB, removed CMP and RX/TX audio EQ.? The > ?? lower RX cut-off would receive the FOX on the assigned freq. > 10.? ?I looked at the KX3 manual C5 for a way to set the passband low > ?? end cutoff while in Data A mode.? Nothing found.? Does the K3s have > ?? the same problem? From johan at e-626.net Wed Mar 7 14:59:06 2018 From: johan at e-626.net (Johan Ymerson) Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2018 20:59:06 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] 3D-print case for KXPD2 Message-ID: <1961944.ask7MOOjZO@gantu> Hi, I just received my KXPD2 and needed a case to protect it. Couldn't find one so I created one to print in my 3D printer :-) Thought I share it for anyone who find it useful:https:// www.youmagine.com/designs/kxpd2-case 73 de SM0XHJ From n5lz at comcast.net Wed Mar 7 15:40:55 2018 From: n5lz at comcast.net (Don Butler) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2018 13:40:55 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 S/N 45 Arrived In-Reply-To: <013501d3b635$e1922690$a4b673b0$@q.com> References: <20180307161949.47E50149B3A7@mailman.qth.net> <013501d3b635$e1922690$a4b673b0$@q.com> Message-ID: <000c01d3b654$97de6940$c79b3bc0$@comcast.net> Torrey ... In my case, the notification email was sent at 7:15pm Thu 8/24/2017 MDT and confirmation of my order number 110356 was sent at 7:36pm Thu 8/24/2017 MDT .... (my number preceeds yours by only 8 .... and my confirmation preceeded yours by 11 minutes) .... Other than the fact that initial shipping was delayed 4-5 months beyond the initially announced expected date range, processing and shipping seems to be being handled in a fair and orderly manner ... (first come/first served). There's no question that the initial announcement generated a huge email pileup! Don, N5LZ -----Original Message----- From: Torrey Mitchell [mailto:torreym at q.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2018 10:01 AM To: 'Don Butler'; elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: RE: [Elecraft] KPA1500 S/N 45 Arrived Don, You have my full attention! The "early notification email is "postmarked" at 8:28 pm CDT on August 24th. My full prepayment receipt with confirmation # is time stamped at 8:47 pm CDT on August 24th. So, I have a fully paid order confirmed 19 minutes after the notification email was sent. If this were a "horse race", I beat out Don by a "nose" (2 minutes). But still I have received no information from Elecraft and my order on the web site still indicates "pending processing". Don, my order # is 110364. How does that compare to yours? Hundreds of orders were likely computer processed in those first few minutes. I'd love to see how they were assigned order numbers as compared to the chronological order of the transactions. We're all excited. I can't wait to get my KPA-1500! Best 73 Torrey N9PY -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of Don Butler Sent: March 7, 2018 10:19 To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 S/N 45 Arrived KPA1500 S/N 45 arrived at my Utah qth yesterday (Tuesday March 6) after shipping on Friday March 2. For those of you who are closely watching shipment progress and serial numbers, my prepaid order was placed on Aug 24 ten minutes after the ?now accepting orders? email had been sent ?? and the confirmation email was sent from Elecraft 11 minutes later ? 21 minutes after the announcement email. Don, N5LZ ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to torreym at q.com From K2TK at ptd.net Wed Mar 7 18:00:26 2018 From: K2TK at ptd.net (Bob) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2018 18:00:26 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 S/N 45 Arrived In-Reply-To: <00ec01d3b63b$cbe14460$63a3cd20$@n7us.net> References: <20180307161916.A0797149B3C2@mailman.qth.net> <00ec01d3b63b$cbe14460$63a3cd20$@n7us.net> Message-ID: Hi Jim, Not broken down by prepaid levels but they did say in the Early Notification email this: Deposit Preorders will be shipped from the first production run in the order received, followed by non-deposit orders. So I wasn't sitting at the computer when the announcement hit but was about 18 hours into the 24 hour window. So I had to look at the fully prepaid order as nothing more than a blatant bribe to move up a few notches on the shipping list and the free shipping. It may not be all inclusive but the order number for SN 45 was two minutes from N9PY's order and mine was 127 later but probably was not all KPA1500's or all of the KPA1500s. As they said other orders were received by other means too. On Feb 6th Eric said they were "shipping KPA1500 for several days now". So after almost a month there are about 50 units shipped, most likely including engineering units . Not impressive or encouraging. I'm not an Elecraft basher I'm Elecraft from 160 meters to 432MHZ. 73. Bob K2TK ex KN2TKR (1956) & k2TKR K2, KX3, K3. KPA500, KAT500. P3, KRC, 3 XV's and more. On 3/7/2018 12:43 PM, Jim N7US wrote: > I placed my order with a $1000 deposit on 8/31. I expect them to put those who fully prepaid for their amplifiers first and those who put a $3000 deposit next in line. > > 73, Jim N7US > > -----Original Message----- > > > KPA1500 S/N 45 arrived at my Utah qth yesterday (Tuesday March 6) after shipping on Friday March 2. For those of you who are closely watching shipment progress and serial numbers, my prepaid order was placed on Aug 24 ten minutes after the ?now accepting orders? email had been sent ?? and the confirmation email was sent from Elecraft 11 minutes later ? 21 minutes after the announcement email. > > Don, N5LZ > From wa8wzg at wa8wzg.net Wed Mar 7 18:31:19 2018 From: wa8wzg at wa8wzg.net (wa8wzg at wa8wzg.net) Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2018 16:31:19 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] looking for a stock KIO3 board for a K3 Message-ID: <1e1a5b2d9de3722b21a8d102b50803d2@wa8wzg.net> To All. I am new to the list ,I just bought a "new to me" K3. I am having issues with the rs 232 interface with it. I need to replace the KIO3 board. Is there anybody out there that has moved up to the KIO3B kit, that may have their old KIO3 board for sale. Thanks in advance, Tom WA8WZG DM34 From ab2tc at arrl.net Wed Mar 7 19:11:44 2018 From: ab2tc at arrl.net (ab2tc) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2018 17:11:44 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 S/N 45 Arrived In-Reply-To: References: <00ec01d3b63b$cbe14460$63a3cd20$@n7us.net> Message-ID: <1520467904649-0.post@n2.nabble.com> Hi, Well, isn't this fairly typical behavior by Elecraft on a major new product introduction? Get used to it. Sure, Icom and the other big two probably have thousands of units on the shelf when they make a product announcements, but they have a different business model. AB2TC - Knut Hi Jim, Not broken down by prepaid levels but they did say in the Early Notification email this: Deposit Preorders will be shipped from the first production run in the order received, followed by non-deposit orders. So I wasn't sitting at the computer when the announcement hit but was about 18 hours into the 24 hour window. So I had to look at the fully prepaid order as nothing more than a blatant bribe to move up a few notches on the shipping list and the free shipping. It may not be all inclusive but the order number for SN 45 was two minutes from N9PY's order and mine was 127 later but probably was not all KPA1500's or all of the KPA1500s. As they said other orders were received by other means too. On Feb 6th Eric said they were "shipping KPA1500 for several days now". So after almost a month there are about 50 units shipped, most likely including engineering units . Not impressive or encouraging. I'm not an Elecraft basher I'm Elecraft from 160 meters to 432MHZ. 73. Bob K2TK ex KN2TKR (1956) & k2TKR K2, KX3, K3. KPA500, KAT500. P3, KRC, 3 XV's and more. -- Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ From wa8wzg at wa8wzg.net Wed Mar 7 19:21:53 2018 From: wa8wzg at wa8wzg.net (wa8wzg at wa8wzg.net) Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2018 17:21:53 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KIO3 board found Message-ID: Thanks for all the quick replies from everyone, I have secured a replacement board and am looking forward to getting the K3 on the air. Thanks again to all that replied. Tom Wa8WZG From egan.dennis88 at gmail.com Wed Mar 7 19:30:37 2018 From: egan.dennis88 at gmail.com (Dennis) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2018 19:30:37 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KXV3 or KXV3A Boards Message-ID: <26f6fc5f-a906-d949-99cd-877aead13d96@gmail.com> Anyone have one of these they want to part with? Please reply offline. Dennis W1UE From n5lz at comcast.net Wed Mar 7 20:17:29 2018 From: n5lz at comcast.net (Don Butler) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2018 18:17:29 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 ... ATU tune cycle must be initiated manually since key line interrupter is installed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I?m just getting to know my new KPA1500 and am having a ball doing so ?. it is a gem! one minor problem: I?m using the key line interrupter in the Aux cable since I am keying through a microHam MK2R+ (the K3S/KPA1500 is one of two radios connected through the MK2R+ ?.. so the key line must now run from K3 to MK2R+ to KPA1500). Without the direct keyline connection between K3 and amp I must manually key the K3 to initiate an ATU tune cycle ?. I suspect that the same problem would exist if I were using a KPA500 ?. How have KPA500 users been working around this? Don, N5LZ From rick at tavan.com Wed Mar 7 20:29:10 2018 From: rick at tavan.com (Rick Tavan) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2018 17:29:10 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] [OT] The Ultimate List of Hobbies for Men In-Reply-To: <1327004029.8123480.1520201206774@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1327004029.8123480.1520201206774.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1327004029.8123480.1520201206774@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Great, old photos are worth as much as the texts themselves! I consider myself a bit of a "hobby-defined individual" and I've participated in 26 of these activities at some level, and a few others in passing. But ham radio surpasses them all! I'm also still active in SCUBA diving, flying, cycling, photography, and a few of the others. I was surprised to see lock picking listed as a "hobby" since it can often be quite illegal. But then I recalled some college classmates who got a big kick out of it. Although it was certainly illegal, I never heard of anyone being harmed or prosecuted. The student hackers just wanted to prove they could do it and, as far as I knew, never stole or damaged anything along the way. Thanks for the pointer. /Rick N6XI Rick Tavan Truckee, CA On Sun, Mar 4, 2018 at 2:06 PM, Al Lorona wrote: > I found it mildly gratifying that our hobby is listed at #2 of these 75: > > > https://www.artofmanliness.com/2016/01/25/the-ultimate- > list-of-hobbies-for-men-75-ideas-for-your-free-time/ > Certainly, climbing a tower, sticking your hands into the HV compartment > of an amplifier, or emergency communication under adverse conditions would > require a modicum of manliness. > > (Begging the pardon of the ladies among us.) > > > Al W6LX > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to rtavan at gmail.com > From rick at tavan.com Wed Mar 7 20:56:55 2018 From: rick at tavan.com (Rick Tavan) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2018 17:56:55 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Advice needed: Remote Station Enhancement In-Reply-To: <89EF2A32-716B-42AA-B395-DE6AAAEE903F@gmail.com> References: <89EF2A32-716B-42AA-B395-DE6AAAEE903F@gmail.com> Message-ID: I do miscellaneous switching chores at my remote station with two devices: a remotely-controlled AC power strip and a remotely-controlled DC relay board. Either could be adapted to your requirements IF your switch has digital inputs such as four independent control lines. I don't know if either of these techniques is what you really want, but maybe they'll give you some ideas. My AC power strip is from Digital Loggers Inc. I found it at a surplus store for a lot less than new boxes. It supports eight controllable AC outlets from a Web page that's hosted inside the outlet strip itself. Connect it to your remote LAN with a little well-documented, one-time network magic and you're good to go. You can assign mnemonic names to each outlet, subdivide them into "user" and "administrator" sets, monitor access via a "heartbeat" on the Internet for restart sequencing, etc. Quite nice but not exactly what you want as you would have to plug in wall warts or external relays and you would have to activate the four lines manually, one at a time. To change antennas you would probably have to turn one off and another on which is kind of messy. My DC relay board is from Velleman Projects. It has a local interface program (Windows) that I access via a remote desktop app. It has eight SPDT relays but only exposes the common and normally open contacts via a terminal strip. I've considered tacking wires onto the normally closed contacts and adding a second terminal strip to expose them, but so far haven't had to do that. They probably have other models with different I/O capabilities. Although this device, like the power strip, provides eight independent, binary lines, its local interface program is written in Basic and source code is available. I wanted to re-program it with mnemonic names instead of just numbers 1-8 but when I saw the Gothic environment into which Basic has devolved, I gave up. If you're handier with Basic, you could use the supplied source code as education and write your own program that turns on one and no more than one line at a time. There are other vendors of similar devices. I believe there are also some solutions involving remote serial ports but I have no experience with them. Good luck & 73, /Rick N6XI -- Rick Tavan Truckee, CA On Tue, Mar 6, 2018 at 5:30 PM, Dennis Ashworth wrote: > > Question #2 remains. How do I remotely switch between 4 positions on an RX > antenna switch (e.g. K9AY switch box) via some kind of Windows based UI. > Ideas? > From dick at elecraft.com Wed Mar 7 21:02:43 2018 From: dick at elecraft.com (dick at elecraft.com) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2018 18:02:43 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 ... ATU tune cycle must be initiated manually since key line interrupter is installed In-Reply-To: <20180308011915.2DC3E149B544@mailman.qth.net> References: <20180308011915.2DC3E149B544@mailman.qth.net> Message-ID: <000001d3b681$8c001b50$a40051f0$@elecraft.com> You might run a cable from the KPA1500 back panel TUNE connector to the K3 straight key input. The KPA1500 pulls the tip of the connector low when it needs to do an ATU tune (because you pressed the ATU TUNE button, or we're doing an "swr-initiated" tune. I use a 3.5mm TRS plug to plug (the green kind from lots of computer sound cards), and a 3.5mm to 1/4" stereo adapter that plugs into the K3 straight key line. I may have missed the thrust of your question, but this is how I cause my K3 to provide carrier for ATU tuning when needed. 73 de Dick, K6KR -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of Don Butler Sent: Wednesday, March 7, 2018 17:17 To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 ... ATU tune cycle must be initiated manually since key line interrupter is installed I?m just getting to know my new KPA1500 and am having a ball doing so ?. it is a gem! one minor problem: I?m using the key line interrupter in the Aux cable since I am keying through a microHam MK2R+ (the K3S/KPA1500 is one of two radios connected through the MK2R+ ?.. so the key line must now run from K3 to MK2R+ to KPA1500). Without the direct keyline connection between K3 and amp I must manually key the K3 to initiate an ATU tune cycle ?. I suspect that the same problem would exist if I were using a KPA500 ?. How have KPA500 users been working around this? Don, N5LZ ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to dick at elecraft.com From Jeff at n0xdw.net Wed Mar 7 21:20:32 2018 From: Jeff at n0xdw.net (Jeff) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2018 19:20:32 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S sales Message-ID: <32AE8AB0-3436-47AB-9854-0C1DF27BD0A4@n0xdw.net> Just wondering if the low power K3S kit with extra filters etc is offered as a special? Seems they usually have the 100W factory combos. Sent from my iPhone From dpbunte at gmail.com Wed Mar 7 21:50:25 2018 From: dpbunte at gmail.com (David Bunte) Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2018 02:50:25 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 S/N 45 Arrived In-Reply-To: <1520467904649-0.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <00ec01d3b63b$cbe14460$63a3cd20$@n7us.net> <1520467904649-0.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: Knut - A friend got an IC-7610 and waited about ONE YEAR... they obviously did not have thousands on the shelf when it was announced. Dave - K9FN On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 7:12 PM ab2tc wrote: > Hi, > > Well, isn't this fairly typical behavior by Elecraft on a major new product > introduction? Get used to it. Sure, Icom and the other big two probably > have > thousands of units on the shelf when they make a product announcements, but > they have a different business model. > > AB2TC - Knut > > > Hi Jim, > > Not broken down by prepaid levels but they did say in the Early > Notification email this: > > Deposit Preorders will be shipped from the first production run in the > order > received, followed by non-deposit orders. > > So I wasn't sitting at the computer when the announcement hit but was > about 18 hours into the 24 hour window. So I had to look at the fully > prepaid > order as nothing more than a blatant bribe to move up a few notches on the > shipping list and the free shipping. > > It may not be all inclusive but the order number for SN 45 was two > minutes from N9PY's order and mine was 127 later but probably was not all > KPA1500's or all of the KPA1500s. As they said other orders were received > by > other means too. > > On Feb 6th Eric said they were "shipping KPA1500 for several days > now". > So after almost a month there are about 50 units shipped, most likely > including > engineering units . Not impressive or encouraging. > > I'm not an Elecraft basher I'm Elecraft from 160 meters to 432MHZ. > > 73. > Bob > K2TK ex KN2TKR (1956) & k2TKR > > K2, KX3, K3. KPA500, KAT500. P3, KRC, 3 XV's and more. > > > > > > > -- > Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dpbunte at gmail.com > From jwebsterlsu at gmail.com Wed Mar 7 23:06:09 2018 From: jwebsterlsu at gmail.com (John W Webster) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2018 20:06:09 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft SSB Net Report for 3-4-2018 Message-ID: <1A8C67E1-9725-4710-B922-44B19B8C8ADC@gmail.com> Please consider joining us for the weekly Elecraft SSB Net on Sundays at 18:00z (UTC) on 14.303.5. Note that for states that have Daylight Savings Time the local time will change to an hour later, but the UTC time (18:00z) remains the same. Net control, Eric WB9JNZ, sends the report for this last week?s net, which was somewhat challenging given the contest. 73 John, N6JW Elecraft SSB Net 3-4-2018 WB9JNZ Eric IL K3 4017 Net Control NS7P Phil OR K3 1826 W4RKS Jim TX K3 3618 NC0JW/M Jim AZ KX3 1356 N6JW/M John KX3 515 W7REK Glenn AZ K3 2843 K7JG John WA KX3 3519 W7QHD Kurt CA KX3 8697 WM5F Dwight ID KX3 8045 KL7BR Rick ID KX3 3160 K7RQN Robert AZ Heathkit 101 AL 811 K6PGQ Bob CA K3 5891 KS6F Guy CA K3S 10150 AE6JV Bill CA K3 6299 From n5lz at comcast.net Thu Mar 8 00:39:55 2018 From: n5lz at comcast.net (Don Butler) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2018 22:39:55 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 ... ATU tune cycle must be initiated manually since key line interrupter is installed In-Reply-To: <000001d3b681$8c001b50$a40051f0$@elecraft.com> References: <20180308011915.2DC3E149B544@mailman.qth.net> <000001d3b681$8c001b50$a40051f0$@elecraft.com> Message-ID: Tnx Dick ?. Sounds like that will work ? I?ll take a close look at it ?. The big microHam cable assembly between MK2R+ and K3 is currently using the K3 straight key jack but I should be able to make a Y adapter to run both lines in ?. Don Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: dick at elecraft.com Sent: Wednesday, March 7, 2018 7:02 PM To: 'Don Butler'; elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: RE: [Elecraft] KPA1500 ... ATU tune cycle must be initiated manually since key line interrupter is installed You might run a cable from the KPA1500 back panel TUNE connector to the K3 straight key input. The KPA1500 pulls the tip of the connector low when it needs to do an ATU tune (because you pressed the ATU TUNE button, or we're doing an "swr-initiated" tune. I use a 3.5mm TRS plug to plug (the green kind from lots of computer sound cards), and a 3.5mm to 1/4" stereo adapter that plugs into the K3 straight key line. I may have missed the thrust of your question, but this is how I cause my K3 to provide carrier for ATU tuning when needed. 73 de Dick, K6KR -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of Don Butler Sent: Wednesday, March 7, 2018 17:17 To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 ... ATU tune cycle must be initiated manually since key line interrupter is installed I?m just getting to know my new KPA1500 and am having a ball doing so ?. it is a gem! one minor problem: I?m using the key line interrupter in the Aux cable since I am keying through a microHam MK2R+ (the K3S/KPA1500 is one of two radios connected through the MK2R+ ?.. so the key line must now run from K3 to MK2R+ to KPA1500). Without the direct keyline connection between K3 and amp I must manually key the K3 to initiate an ATU tune cycle ?. I suspect that the same problem would exist if I were using a KPA500 ?. How have KPA500 users been working around this? Don, N5LZ ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to dick at elecraft.com From dick at elecraft.com Thu Mar 8 05:21:11 2018 From: dick at elecraft.com (dick at elecraft.com) Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2018 02:21:11 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 ... ATU tune cycle must be initiated manually since key line interrupter is installed In-Reply-To: <5aa0ccab.15986b0a.64b81.2b36SMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com> References: <20180308011915.2DC3E149B544@mailman.qth.net> <000001d3b681$8c001b50$a40051f0$@elecraft.com> <5aa0ccab.15986b0a.64b81.2b36SMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <002e01d3b6c7$2edeb210$8c9c1630$@elecraft.com> I?d encourage a stereo Y ?? adapter. You don?t want to connect tip to ring at the KPA1500. Something like this: https://www.amazon.com/Stereo-Y-Adapter-Single-Male-Female/dp/B00FE089DQ I have some solid Y phone adapters, but they may not work as well when the K3 front is lifted by its tilt stand. Actually I?ve put my K3 on a shelf and now use a K-Pod near the keyboard so I?m not constantly twisting the VFO knob on the K3. 73 de Dick, K6KR From: Don Butler Sent: Wednesday, March 7, 2018 21:40 To: dick at elecraft.com; elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: RE: [Elecraft] KPA1500 ... ATU tune cycle must be initiated manually since key line interrupter is installed Tnx Dick ?. Sounds like that will work ? I?ll take a close look at it ?. The big microHam cable assembly between MK2R+ and K3 is currently using the K3 straight key jack but I should be able to make a Y adapter to run both lines in ?. Don Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: dick at elecraft.com Sent: Wednesday, March 7, 2018 7:02 PM To: 'Don Butler' ; elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: RE: [Elecraft] KPA1500 ... ATU tune cycle must be initiated manually since key line interrupter is installed You might run a cable from the KPA1500 back panel TUNE connector to the K3 straight key input. The KPA1500 pulls the tip of the connector low when it needs to do an ATU tune (because you pressed the ATU TUNE button, or we're doing an "swr-initiated" tune. I use a 3.5mm TRS plug to plug (the green kind from lots of computer sound cards), and a 3.5mm to 1/4" stereo adapter that plugs into the K3 straight key line. I may have missed the thrust of your question, but this is how I cause my K3 to provide carrier for ATU tuning when needed. 73 de Dick, K6KR -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net > On Behalf Of Don Butler Sent: Wednesday, March 7, 2018 17:17 To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 ... ATU tune cycle must be initiated manually since key line interrupter is installed I?m just getting to know my new KPA1500 and am having a ball doing so ?. it is a gem! one minor problem: I?m using the key line interrupter in the Aux cable since I am keying through a microHam MK2R+ (the K3S/KPA1500 is one of two radios connected through the MK2R+ ?.. so the key line must now run from K3 to MK2R+ to KPA1500). Without the direct keyline connection between K3 and amp I must manually key the K3 to initiate an ATU tune cycle ?. I suspect that the same problem would exist if I were using a KPA500 ?. How have KPA500 users been working around this? Don, N5LZ ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to dick at elecraft.com From shelsherm at gmail.com Thu Mar 8 08:36:20 2018 From: shelsherm at gmail.com (Shel Sherman) Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2018 13:36:20 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] key out port Message-ID: I cannot get the key out port to pull to ground using the internal keyer I have no gate signal change when pulsing the keyer I cannot find the schematic so I can trace back to the keyer outlying order to find the break help appreciated call 314/580/3566 Shel Sherman. Wo0c -- Shel Sherman From djnova2006 at hotmail.co.uk Thu Mar 8 08:56:04 2018 From: djnova2006 at hotmail.co.uk (Adrian Young) Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2018 13:56:04 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 Jacks Message-ID: Hi all. I?m wondering could some kind person tell me what diameter and the number of poles the ACC, KEY, PHONES, MIC jacks are. And the sizes for the power jack also. Thanks Adrian MM0TAI Sent from my iPhone From lboekeloo at sbcglobal.net Thu Mar 8 08:48:00 2018 From: lboekeloo at sbcglobal.net (Larry Boekeloo) Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2018 13:48:00 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] PTT-ERR References: <973454592.9938404.1520516880750.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <973454592.9938404.1520516880750@mail.yahoo.com> Hi everyone, Since I upgraded the software on my K3 last time, I would get PTT-ERR messages when using FSK/RTTY every now and then. Now it seems to be happening during a RTTY transmission.? I know there were some changes in the K3 software but I can't figure out how fix this issue. I'm using a RigExpert TI-5 interface which is connected to the computer via USB and then to the K3 with their interface cable(s).? I'm using MMTTY with Hamscope for my software.? It always worked great previously to this last upgrade. Any thoughts or ideas? Thanks. Larry, KN8N From donwilh at embarqmail.com Thu Mar 8 09:35:53 2018 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2018 09:35:53 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] PTT-ERR In-Reply-To: <973454592.9938404.1520516880750@mail.yahoo.com> References: <973454592.9938404.1520516880750.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <973454592.9938404.1520516880750@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Larry, I doubt that this is a firmware caused problem, but would rather think it is something that has been gradually failing and got worse about the time you loaded the new firmware. ERR PTT normally is indicated when PTT is active during a power on, but yours seems to be different, and may be related to the KIO3 module - see the error code "Troubleshooting steps" for that error on page 69 of the K3 manual. I would suggest removing the KIO3 and its digital I/O daughter board and then plugging them back in which will remove oxidation from the contact pins. See the K3 assembly manual to see how it was assembled - reverse the assembly steps to remove. 73, Don W3FPR On 3/8/2018 8:48 AM, Larry Boekeloo wrote: > Hi everyone, > Since I upgraded the software on my K3 last time, I would get PTT-ERR messages when using FSK/RTTY every now and then. > Now it seems to be happening during a RTTY transmission.? I know there were some changes in the K3 software but I can't figure out how fix this issue. > I'm using a RigExpert TI-5 interface which is connected to the computer via USB and then to the K3 with their interface cable(s).? I'm using MMTTY with Hamscope for my software.? It always worked great previously to this last upgrade. > Any thoughts or ideas? > > Thanks. > Larry, KN8N > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to donwilh at embarqmail.com > From donwilh at embarqmail.com Thu Mar 8 09:16:42 2018 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2018 09:16:42 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 Jacks In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <98599d56-e88b-279e-4534-078c805c961c@embarqmail.com> Adrian, That information is in the KX2 manual. Download it if you do not have a printed one. Power - 2.1mm/5.5mm coaxial plug - see page 5 of the manual. Phones - 3.5mm stereo (TRS) - see page 8 of the manual. MIC - 3.5mm TRRS - see page 8 of the manual, but a TRS can be used if MIC BTN is turned off in the menu - See MIC BTN menu entry on page 46. ACC - 3.5mm TRS unless KeyOut is required, then a TRRS, see page 9 of the manual. 73, Don W3FPR On 3/8/2018 8:56 AM, Adrian Young wrote: > Hi all. I?m wondering could some kind person tell me what diameter and the number of poles the ACC, KEY, PHONES, MIC jacks are. And the sizes for the power jack also. > From hsherriff at reagan.com Thu Mar 8 09:37:17 2018 From: hsherriff at reagan.com (Harlan Sherriff) Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2018 09:37:17 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Utility Message-ID: Does the utility save any info in Windows registry? I opened the utility to check for firmware. As soon as I opened it, I received the ?K3 waiting for firmware load.....? message. I was unable to get anywhere using info from the help file, so connected the K3 to another computer and all was FB. I tried the original computer with the K3 disconnected but got the same error message. I have tried everything I can think of to correct the problem with the first computer: rebooted the computer, uninstalled the utility and reinstalled the latest utility rev, changed the port the K3 connects to. My thought is that the utility must save some setting in the Win registry that doesn?t get cleaned out when uninstalling the utility. I can keep my K3 up to date using the second computer, but sure would be nice to be able to use the normal computer. Any ideas? Harlan K4HES Sent from my iPhone From hsherriff at reagan.com Thu Mar 8 10:16:34 2018 From: hsherriff at reagan.com (Harlan Sherriff) Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2018 10:16:34 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Utility In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1BDA0CF2-C27B-4E34-B6DB-8284607A9F5F@reagan.com> Solved. I am using a 10 point USB hub and somehow the comm port number changed. Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 8, 2018, at 9:37 AM, Harlan Sherriff via Elecraft wrote: > > Does the utility save any info in Windows registry? > > I opened the utility to check for firmware. As soon as I opened it, I received the ?K3 waiting for firmware load.....? message. > > I was unable to get anywhere using info from the help file, so connected the K3 to another computer and all was FB. > > I tried the original computer with the K3 disconnected but got the same error message. > > I have tried everything I can think of to correct the problem with the first computer: rebooted the computer, uninstalled the utility and reinstalled the latest utility rev, changed the port the K3 connects to. > > My thought is that the utility must save some setting in the Win registry that doesn?t get cleaned out when uninstalling the utility. > > I can keep my K3 up to date using the second computer, but sure would be nice to be able to use the normal computer. > > Any ideas? > Harlan > K4HES > > Sent from my iPhone > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to hsherriff at reagan.com From donwilh at embarqmail.com Thu Mar 8 10:57:55 2018 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2018 10:57:55 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] key out port In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0659176b-8c1e-e444-9b31-c4dee3499945@embarqmail.com> Shel, It seems the K3 schematics have disappeared from the Elecraft website, but the K3S schematics are listed - and should be adequate for that problem. I do have the K3 schematics, and if that will help, send me a private email (take Elecraft out of the subject line) and I can send the file to you - The reflector does not allow attachments. 73, Don W3FPR On 3/8/2018 8:36 AM, Shel Sherman wrote: > I cannot get the key out port to pull to ground using the internal keyer I > have no gate signal change when pulsing the keyer I cannot find the > schematic so I can trace back to the keyer outlying order to find the break > help appreciated call 314/580/3566 From chandlerusm at gmail.com Thu Mar 8 11:22:07 2018 From: chandlerusm at gmail.com (Chuck Chandler) Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2018 10:22:07 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Planning the next filters Message-ID: Right now I have the stock SSB and a 400 Hz filter in both main and sub rcvrs. I would like to add some a few at a time. My first priority is to add a couple to the main receiver, since it is the biggest chore to get to. I plan on a 250 Hz CW filter, but am going back and forth between the 2.1 and 1.8 kHz filters. I know that narrowing the DSP to 1.8 gives a really difficult to understand voice signal, while the 2.1 allows in more adjacent signals. However, the roofing filters may not behave in the same manner. For example, the 1.8 could be set to turn on at 2.1 to take advantage of skirt shape. I primarily DX, and operate in some contests as well. I know SSB contests really need a narrow SSB filter. Any suggestions on the matter from those who have gone this route before? 73 de Chuck, WS1L -- =================== Chuck Chandler chandlerusm at gmail.com =================== From ghyoungman at gmail.com Thu Mar 8 11:28:16 2018 From: ghyoungman at gmail.com (GRANT YOUNGMAN) Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2018 11:28:16 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] key out port In-Reply-To: <0659176b-8c1e-e444-9b31-c4dee3499945@embarqmail.com> References: <0659176b-8c1e-e444-9b31-c4dee3499945@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: There are K3 schematics at http://www.elecraft.com/manual/K3_Schematics_Jun_2010.pdf Some of the modules in this package are a bit out of date (later than 2010), so the K3S docs may be needed, too, depending ? Grant NQ5T K3 #2091, KX3 #8342 On Mar 8, 2018, at 10:57 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > > Shel, > > It seems the K3 schematics have disappeared from the Elecraft website, but the K3S schematics are listed - and should be adequate for that problem. > > I do have the K3 schematics, and if that will help, send me a private email (take Elecraft out of the subject line) and I can send the file to you - The reflector does not allow attachments. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 3/8/2018 8:36 AM, Shel Sherman wrote: >> I cannot get the key out port to pull to ground using the internal keyer I >> have no gate signal change when pulsing the keyer I cannot find the >> schematic so I can trace back to the keyer outlying order to find the break >> help appreciated call 314/580/3566 > ______________________________________________________________ > From lists at subich.com Thu Mar 8 11:30:32 2018 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2018 11:30:32 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] key out port In-Reply-To: <0659176b-8c1e-e444-9b31-c4dee3499945@embarqmail.com> References: <0659176b-8c1e-e444-9b31-c4dee3499945@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: The K3 schematics are on the web site: http://www.elecraft.com/manual/K3_Schematics_Jun_2010.pdf 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 3/8/2018 10:57 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > Shel, > > It seems the K3 schematics have disappeared from the Elecraft website, > but the K3S schematics are listed - and should be adequate for that > problem. > > I do have the K3 schematics, and if that will help, send me a private > email (take Elecraft out of the subject line) and I can send the file to > you - The reflector does not allow attachments. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 3/8/2018 8:36 AM, Shel Sherman wrote: >> I cannot get the key out port to pull to ground using the internal >> keyer? I >> have no gate signal change when pulsing the keyer? I cannot find the >> schematic so I can trace back to the keyer outlying order to find the >> break >> ? help appreciated? call 314/580/3566 > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to lists at subich.com > From dpbunte at gmail.com Thu Mar 8 11:45:24 2018 From: dpbunte at gmail.com (David Bunte) Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2018 16:45:24 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Planning the next filters In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Chuck - You will likely get a wide variety of responses, and here is mine. I added the 400 Hz filter to my main and sub receiver. I work CW almost exclusively. I rag chew and chase some DX. I barely ?dabble? in contests. I can?t recall a single time when I thought a narrower CW filter would have made a difference for me. It may help that my antenna is quite modest, and I don?t have other hames near enough to impede my reception. Best of luck as you proce d. Dave - K9FN On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 11:24 AM Chuck Chandler wrote: > Right now I have the stock SSB and a 400 Hz filter in both main and sub > rcvrs. I would like to add some a few at a time. My first priority is to > add a couple to the main receiver, since it is the biggest chore to get > to. > > I plan on a 250 Hz CW filter, but am going back and forth between the 2.1 > and 1.8 kHz filters. I know that narrowing the DSP to 1.8 gives a really > difficult to understand voice signal, while the 2.1 allows in more adjacent > signals. However, the roofing filters may not behave in the same manner. > For example, the 1.8 could be set to turn on at 2.1 to take advantage of > skirt shape. > > I primarily DX, and operate in some contests as well. I know SSB contests > really need a narrow SSB filter. > > Any suggestions on the matter from those who have gone this route before? > > 73 de Chuck, WS1L > > -- > > > =================== > Chuck Chandler > chandlerusm at gmail.com > =================== > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dpbunte at gmail.com > From c-hawley at illinois.edu Thu Mar 8 11:44:07 2018 From: c-hawley at illinois.edu (hawley, charles j jr) Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2018 16:44:07 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] key out port In-Reply-To: <0659176b-8c1e-e444-9b31-c4dee3499945@embarqmail.com> References: , <0659176b-8c1e-e444-9b31-c4dee3499945@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: http://www.elecraft.com/manual/K3_Schematics_Jun_2010.pdf Chuck Jack Sent from my iPhone, cjack On Mar 8, 2018, at 10:18 AM, Don Wilhelm > wrote: Shel, It seems the K3 schematics have disappeared from the Elecraft website, but the K3S schematics are listed - and should be adequate for that problem. I do have the K3 schematics, and if that will help, send me a private email (take Elecraft out of the subject line) and I can send the file to you - The reflector does not allow attachments. 73, Don W3FPR On 3/8/2018 8:36 AM, Shel Sherman wrote: I cannot get the key out port to pull to ground using the internal keyer I have no gate signal change when pulsing the keyer I cannot find the schematic so I can trace back to the keyer outlying order to find the break help appreciated call 314/580/3566 ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to c-hawley at illinois.edu From sm.shearer.01 at gmail.com Thu Mar 8 11:48:14 2018 From: sm.shearer.01 at gmail.com (Stephen Shearer) Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2018 11:48:14 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] FT8 DXpedition Mode test. In-Reply-To: <053dfd19-3e8a-7bed-8daf-f18d75e5a966@embarqmail.com> References: <053dfd19-3e8a-7bed-8daf-f18d75e5a966@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: Don, OK I had to test this again and look at the manual.? I "thought" I tried shift but brain cells are getting old... I used fldigi to see a nice 0-4K audio spectrum. I went to 40m (shouldn't matter), set DATA A, set BW=4.0, Adjusted FC from low to high 1.28 to 1.64 with *1.5. ??? FC ... If I change it over its full range the lowest it goes is 375HZ (and that may be 10dB down?). ??? If I change BW=3.0, same but High end varies. ??? With BW=4.0, only high end varies. ??? If I make BW=1.7, I can move low end up but not below the ~400HZ... I have latest firmware, MCU 02.90 DSP 01.52 If I use USB...? BW=4.0 FC=*1.5? I have an audio range from 200Hz to 3500Hz ?? I even went back and zeroed my RX EQ. I guess I can't use DATA A with FT8 in DXpedition Mode. It won't matter with other modes as only DXpedition mode needs RX at 300Hz... And I may have been the only one using a KX3 for the test? *I think the answer is that the problem is not **with me, its firmware limits...* The WSJT-X software does other "tricks" to move the TX freq keeping it within the TX bandpass, 1500Hz +/- 500Hz (it looked like...)? Note, not relative to "issue", just info. BTW, thanks for all you do for the Elecraft community! 73, Steve WB3LGC On 3/7/2018 1:42 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > Stephen, > > In DATA A, use the SHIFT (PBT II) to shift the passband down. > The widest passband is 3000 Hz. which is consistent with your 400 to > 3500 Hz observation.? I suggest shifting it to 150 to 3150 Hz. It will > work fine for most soundcard data modes. > > The K3/K3S has the same behavior, but it is not a problem. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 3/7/2018 11:47 AM, Stephen Shearer wrote: >> >> 8.? ?My KX3 with "Data A" has a wide bandpass of 400Hz to 3500Hz and >> ??? shifting the RX down was not going to work with the software shift >> ??? for the report, I "guess"... >> 9.? ?I changed my KX3 to USB, removed CMP and RX/TX audio EQ. The >> ??? lower RX cut-off would receive the FOX on the assigned freq. >> 10.? ?I looked at the KX3 manual C5 for a way to set the passband low >> ??? end cutoff while in Data A mode.? Nothing found.? Does the K3s have >> ??? the same problem? > From radiok4ia at gmail.com Thu Mar 8 11:57:32 2018 From: radiok4ia at gmail.com (Craig Buck) Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2018 11:57:32 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Planning the next filters In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Get the 1.8 if you work ssb. Experiment with shifting the pass band for maximum clarity. Youll be amazed just how narrow it can get and still be understandable. On Mar 8, 2018 11:24 AM, "Chuck Chandler" wrote: > Right now I have the stock SSB and a 400 Hz filter in both main and sub > rcvrs. I would like to add some a few at a time. My first priority is to > add a couple to the main receiver, since it is the biggest chore to get > to. > > I plan on a 250 Hz CW filter, but am going back and forth between the 2.1 > and 1.8 kHz filters. I know that narrowing the DSP to 1.8 gives a really > difficult to understand voice signal, while the 2.1 allows in more adjacent > signals. However, the roofing filters may not behave in the same manner. > For example, the 1.8 could be set to turn on at 2.1 to take advantage of > skirt shape. > > I primarily DX, and operate in some contests as well. I know SSB contests > really need a narrow SSB filter. > > Any suggestions on the matter from those who have gone this route before? > > 73 de Chuck, WS1L > > -- > > > =================== > Chuck Chandler > chandlerusm at gmail.com > =================== > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to radiok4ia at gmail.com > From garyk9gs at wi.rr.com Thu Mar 8 12:16:12 2018 From: garyk9gs at wi.rr.com (GaryK9GS) Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2018 11:16:12 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Planning the next filters In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi Chuck, I agree with K9FN.? I have the 250 Hz filters and rarely use them.? The 400 Hz filters are great.? So good that I would not miss the 250s at all. On SSB I also have the stock filters.? Here's how I handle crowded phone contests.? I set the width to 2.0, sometimes 1.8.? Then use the shift knob to clean up the signal.? It is amazing how that works and most of the time the desired signal pops right out of the QRM. I contest and chase DX a lot, 90% CW and favor the low bands too.? I don't do digital modes but that would be the only other case where I'd consider a special bandwidth roofing filter. 73, Gary K9GS -------- Original message --------From: David Bunte Date: 3/8/18 10:45 AM (GMT-06:00) To: Chuck Chandler Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Planning the next filters Chuck - You will likely get a wide variety of responses, and here is mine. I added the 400 Hz filter to my main and sub receiver. I work CW almost exclusively. I rag chew and chase some DX. I barely ?dabble? in contests. I can?t recall a single time when I thought a narrower CW filter would have made a difference for me. It may help that my antenna is quite modest, and I don?t have other hames near enough to impede my reception. Best of luck as you proce d. Dave - K9FN On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 11:24 AM Chuck Chandler wrote: > Right now I have the stock SSB and a 400 Hz filter in both main and sub > rcvrs.? I would like to add some a few at a time.? My first priority is to > add a couple to the main receiver, since it is the biggest chore to get > to. > > I plan on a 250 Hz CW filter, but am going back and forth between the 2.1 > and 1.8 kHz filters.? I know that narrowing the DSP to 1.8 gives a really > difficult to understand voice signal, while the 2.1 allows in more adjacent > signals.? However, the roofing filters may not behave in the same manner. > For example, the 1.8 could be set to turn on at 2.1 to take advantage of > skirt shape. > > I primarily DX, and operate in some contests as well.? I know SSB contests > really need a narrow SSB filter. > > Any suggestions on the matter from those who have gone this route before? > > 73 de Chuck, WS1L > > -- > > > =================== > Chuck Chandler > chandlerusm at gmail.com > =================== > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dpbunte at gmail.com > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to garyk9gs at wi.rr.com From john at kk9a.com Thu Mar 8 12:25:11 2018 From: john at kk9a.com (john at kk9a.com) Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2018 12:25:11 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Planning the next filters Message-ID: <94805b6744de1f0de01a0fb496579127.squirrel@www11.qth.com> 400Hz is my favorite CW/RTTY filter. I also have a 250Hz but if you read the archives you will see that it is not much narrower than the 400. If you are concerned about the cost this is worth looking at. I have the 2.1KHz and 1.8KHz SSB filters. Of course the 2.1 sounds better, I switch in the 1.8 when QRM worsens. I think having both is useful. John KK9A WS1L wrote: Right now I have the stock SSB and a 400 Hz filter in both main and sub rcvrs. I would like to add some a few at a time. My first priority is to add a couple to the main receiver, since it is the biggest chore to get to. I plan on a 250 Hz CW filter, but am going back and forth between the 2.1 and 1.8 kHz filters. I know that narrowing the DSP to 1.8 gives a really difficult to understand voice signal, while the 2.1 allows in more adjacent signals. However, the roofing filters may not behave in the same manner. For example, the 1.8 could be set to turn on at 2.1 to take advantage of skirt shape. I primarily DX, and operate in some contests as well. I know SSB contests really need a narrow SSB filter. Any suggestions on the matter from those who have gone this route before? 73 de Chuck, WS1L From lists at subich.com Thu Mar 8 12:32:45 2018 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2018 12:32:45 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Planning the next filters In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > I plan on a 250 Hz CW filter, I may be the odd man out but I can't see much enough difference between the "400 Hz" (450 Hz @ -6dB) and the "250 Hz" (370 Hz @ -6dB) to justify the cost. If you feel you *need* a narrower filter in the 8215 KHz IF, consider the new KFL3C-200 which is truly 200 Hz wide at -6 dB. See: particularly the last graph. > but am going back and forth between the 2.1 and 1.8 kHz filters. My choice - after trying the 1.5 KHz filters from INRAD and working with both 2.1 KHz and 1.8 KHz DSP bandwidths (with center frequency offset to maintain the low frequency cutoff at 100 - 250 Hz) was the 2.1 KHz filter. I felt the DSP provided sufficient high frequency roll off if/when it was needed but the 2.1 KHz filter provided more flexibility - and I ended up using 2.4 KHz - with the 2.1 KHz "roofing" filter set to kick in at 2.4 KHz - as my "normal" SSB bandwidth. While amateur activity is not channelized, most day-to day SSB activity seems to fall on 3 KHz boundaries with occasional 2.5 KHz "steps". Even in a busy contest, things don't tend to get closer than 2 KHz as long as the stations can "hear". Most of the QRM on SSB isn't necessarily from overlapping signals ... it's from transmit phase noise and IMD. That's not something that *any* receiver filter can deal with as those are "spurious" signals outside the "necessary bandwidth" generated and radiated by the transmitting (interfering) station. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 3/8/2018 11:22 AM, Chuck Chandler wrote: > Right now I have the stock SSB and a 400 Hz filter in both main and sub > rcvrs. I would like to add some a few at a time. My first priority is to > add a couple to the main receiver, since it is the biggest chore to get > to. > > I plan on a 250 Hz CW filter, but am going back and forth between the 2.1 > and 1.8 kHz filters. I know that narrowing the DSP to 1.8 gives a really > difficult to understand voice signal, while the 2.1 allows in more adjacent > signals. However, the roofing filters may not behave in the same manner. > For example, the 1.8 could be set to turn on at 2.1 to take advantage of > skirt shape. > > I primarily DX, and operate in some contests as well. I know SSB contests > really need a narrow SSB filter. > > Any suggestions on the matter from those who have gone this route before? > > 73 de Chuck, WS1L > From donovanf at starpower.net Thu Mar 8 12:16:59 2018 From: donovanf at starpower.net (donovanf at starpower.net) Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2018 12:16:59 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Elecraft] Planning the next filters In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <35623858.729505.1520529419940.JavaMail.root@starpower.net> Hi Chuck, The purpose of roofing filters in the K3 is commonly misunderstood, they're primary function is to protect the receiver from overload from an extremely strong interfering signal within the passband occupied by the signal of interest. There's an excellent paper on this topic on the Elecraft web site: http://www.elecraft.com/K3/Roofing_Filters.htm You can find the plots for many of the Elecraft filters here (caution: many of the plots use different frequency spans): http://www.elecraft.com/K3/K3_filter_plots.htm There's very little difference in the performance of the Elecraft 400 Hz filters vs. their narrower bandwidth filters. The 400 Hz filter you already have is all you will ever need in all but the most extreme (and rare) interference situations. T he 1 kHz filter is a useful addition to your receiver i f you like broader bandwidth for casual CW operation, although the 2.1 kHz filter works nearly as well if you narrow the DSP bandwidth. There's very little difference between the 2.7 kHz stock filter and the 2.8 kHz 8 pole optional filter except in the most extreme interference situations such SSB DX contests where its tighter skirts of the 2.8 kHz are sometimes be helpful but the difference is small. I prefer the 2.1 kHz filter to the 1.8 kHz filter. I have both filters in my K3 but rarely use the 1.8 kHz filter and only under the most extreme inteference situations in a SSB DX contest. 73 Frank W3LPL On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 11:24 AM Chuck Chandler wrote: > Right now I have the stock SSB and a 400 Hz filter in both main and sub > rcvrs. I would like to add some a few at a time. My first priority is to > add a couple to the main receiver, since it is the biggest chore to get > to. > > I plan on a 250 Hz CW filter, but am going back and forth between the 2.1 > and 1.8 kHz filters. I know that narrowing the DSP to 1.8 gives a really > difficult to understand voice signal, while the 2.1 allows in more adjacent > signals. However, the roofing filters may not behave in the same manner. > For example, the 1.8 could be set to turn on at 2.1 to take advantage of > skirt shape. > > I primarily DX, and operate in some contests as well. I know SSB contests > really need a narrow SSB filter. > > Any suggestions on the matter from those who have gone this route before? > > 73 de Chuck, WS1L > > -- > > > =================== > Chuck Chandler > chandlerusm at gmail.com > =================== > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dpbunte at gmail.com > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to donovanf at starpower.net From k6ll.dave at gmail.com Thu Mar 8 13:15:23 2018 From: k6ll.dave at gmail.com (Dave Hachadorian) Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2018 11:15:23 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Planning the next filters In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <713228673CD74441B23FED86D67FED4D@Toshiba> I think you are optimally configured right now. I used to have the 1.8 filters in my K3's, but sold them. I think they hurt intelligibility more than they helped with QRM rejection. Remember that these are only roofing filters. The DSP filter has a higher effective shape factor, especially on SSB. Elecraft once said in an email that you could estimate the DSP shape factor by the formula (DSP BW SETTING+ 300 Hz)/(DSP BW SETTING). Especially for the SSB filters, the DSP shape factor is the determinant in bandwidth, as long as there is no signal just outside the DSP width that is causing the AGC to pump, or the A/D to overload. Those effects, in the very rare event that they occur, can be minimized by judicious use of the RF Gain control. As for the 250 Hz CW filter, If you look at the filter curves http://www.elecraft.com/K3/K3_filter_plots.htm you will see that this filter should be really labeled KFL3A-370, and is not much different than your 400. Dave Hachadorian, K6LL Yuma, AZ -----Original Message----- From: Chuck Chandler Sent: Thursday, March 8, 2018 9:22 AM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] Planning the next filters Right now I have the stock SSB and a 400 Hz filter in both main and sub rcvrs. I would like to add some a few at a time. My first priority is to add a couple to the main receiver, since it is the biggest chore to get to. I plan on a 250 Hz CW filter, but am going back and forth between the 2.1 and 1.8 kHz filters. I know that narrowing the DSP to 1.8 gives a really difficult to understand voice signal, while the 2.1 allows in more adjacent signals. However, the roofing filters may not behave in the same manner. For example, the 1.8 could be set to turn on at 2.1 to take advantage of skirt shape. I primarily DX, and operate in some contests as well. I know SSB contests really need a narrow SSB filter. Any suggestions on the matter from those who have gone this route before? 73 de Chuck, WS1L -- =================== Chuck Chandler chandlerusm at gmail.com =================== ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to k6ll.dave at gmail.com From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Thu Mar 8 13:52:00 2018 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2018 10:52:00 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Planning the next filters In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: It's important to understand that the variable DSP IF is plenty good enough for most operation. The function of the roofing filter is to protect the DSP from overload by strong signals outside the passband. I would consider buying additional filters ONLY if you're a serious contester.? I am, and my favorites are 250 and 400 for CW, 2.1 for SSB, and I've replaced the 2.7 with 2.8 for the improved flatness it provides, which reduces incidental AM when transmitting RTTY. I agree that 1.8 is too narrow for my ears. 73, Jim K9YC On 3/8/2018 8:22 AM, Chuck Chandler wrote: > Right now I have the stock SSB and a 400 Hz filter in both main and sub > rcvrs. I would like to add some a few at a time. My first priority is to > add a couple to the main receiver, since it is the biggest chore to get > to. > > I plan on a 250 Hz CW filter, but am going back and forth between the 2.1 > and 1.8 kHz filters. I know that narrowing the DSP to 1.8 gives a really > difficult to understand voice signal, while the 2.1 allows in more adjacent > signals. However, the roofing filters may not behave in the same manner. > For example, the 1.8 could be set to turn on at 2.1 to take advantage of > skirt shape. From rich at wc3t.us Thu Mar 8 14:23:57 2018 From: rich at wc3t.us (rich hurd WC3T) Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2018 14:23:57 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] BNC connector oddity on KX3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Okay, so I took the plunge and disconnected the KX3 to take with me on vacation. Hooking it back up proved to be a tad problematic - SWRs of 25:1 and no signals from any bands, anywhere. I'm now working through what options I have, starting with checking female connector deformation and doing what I can to examine oxidation, and general quarrantining of wires and connectors. I also wrote to Elecraft to get a quote for a replacement BNC connector with the LPF installed - worst case is I'll just start over again with a new chassis connector. Ain't radio fun? :) On Mon, Feb 19, 2018 at 11:54 AM, rich hurd WC3T wrote: > Hi, > > I had an oddity with hooking an antenna to the BNC connector on my KX3 > that happened enough times to be chalked up to something other than random > chance. Looking for opinions on whether my solution aligned to your > experience(s). > > I have a complete station - a KX3, a PX3, and a KXPA100. The KXPA100 is > connected via a Cables On Demand connector with a PL259 on one end and a > BNC connector on the other end. All other interface cables are Elecraft > standard. > > This is NOT the first BNC connector that I've used. Prior to this last > acquisition I had a couple of other BNC to PL259 jumpers that I was using, > and the usual smattering of connectors and adapters in the junque box. > > No matter which one I used, If I removed the BNC connector from the rig > (maybe to go portable, for example, or the last time it was because I > installed Eneloop Pro batteries to the internal battery holders) I would > put everything back together, and then would have severe - almost > debilitating - signal attenuation when I got the rig fired up. If I > twisted and spun the BNC connector on the jack, it would improve, and then > get bad again more often than not. It could take up to 20 minutes to get > everything "dialed in" so that the signal was appearing again. God help me > if I accidentally moved something after that. And of course, while all > this was happening the ATU was having fits, with 99:1 SWR readings and the > amp was going offline; all kinds of weirdnesses. After things calmed > down. the ATU behaved itself, the amp stopped being pouty, and all was then > good. > > Thankfully, now that I have the Cables On Demand product, things seem to > have quieted down - although I still don't disconnect without provocation. > :) Though I'm desperately afraid of when I start to go mobile after the > snow melts and the weather gets nice again. :) Hope I can get my IC706 > fixed and back in service as my base station before that occurs. > > My question was going to be in desperation more than anything else if this > last cable didn't work, but thankfully, that's been the only cable vendor > that I trust for any of my specialized cables and they haven't failed me > even with this one. > > Are BNC connectors that finicky? Is it possible that I just had a bad > batch of low quality jumpers? I'm just wondering if anyone else has had > excessive fiddling with their BNC connections. > > --- > 72, > Rich Hurd / WC3T / DMR: 3142737 > PA Army MARS, Northampton County RACES, EPA-ARRL Public Information > Officer for Scouting > Latitude: 40.761621 Longitude: -75.288988 (40?45.68' N 75?17.33' W) > Grid: *FN20is* > > -- 72, Rich Hurd / WC3T / DMR: 3142737 PA Army MARS, Northampton County RACES, EPA-ARRL Public Information Officer for Scouting Latitude: 40.761621 Longitude: -75.288988 (40?45.68' N 75?17.33' W) Grid: *FN20is* From wunder at wunderwood.org Thu Mar 8 14:29:49 2018 From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood) Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2018 11:29:49 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] Re: BNC connector oddity on KX3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <859CB46C-79B8-48F7-ADB7-2705603C9E74@wunderwood.org> The upgraded BNC is part KX3BNCMDKT, $49, listed on this page. http://www.elecraft.com/order_form_parts.htm#kx3 wunder K6WRU Walter Underwood CM87wj http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) > On Mar 8, 2018, at 11:23 AM, rich hurd WC3T rich at wc3t.us [KX3] wrote: > > > Okay, so I took the plunge and disconnected the KX3 to take with me on vacation. Hooking it back up proved to be a tad problematic - SWRs of 25:1 and no signals from any bands, anywhere. I'm now working through what options I have, starting with checking female connector deformation and doing what I can to examine oxidation, and general quarrantining of wires and connectors. > > I also wrote to Elecraft to get a quote for a replacement BNC connector with the LPF installed - worst case is I'll just start over again with a new chassis connector. > > Ain't radio fun? :) > > On Mon, Feb 19, 2018 at 11:54 AM, rich hurd WC3T > wrote: > Hi, > > I had an oddity with hooking an antenna to the BNC connector on my KX3 that happened enough times to be chalked up to something other than random chance. Looking for opinions on whether my solution aligned to your experience(s). > > I have a complete station - a KX3, a PX3, and a KXPA100. The KXPA100 is connected via a Cables On Demand connector with a PL259 on one end and a BNC connector on the other end. All other interface cables are Elecraft standard. > > This is NOT the first BNC connector that I've used. Prior to this last acquisition I had a couple of other BNC to PL259 jumpers that I was using, and the usual smattering of connectors and adapters in the junque box.. > > No matter which one I used, If I removed the BNC connector from the rig (maybe to go portable, for example, or the last time it was because I installed Eneloop Pro batteries to the internal battery holders) I would put everything back together, and then would have severe - almost debilitating - signal attenuation when I got the rig fired up. If I twisted and spun the BNC connector on the jack, it would improve, and then get bad again more often than not. It could take up to 20 minutes to get everything "dialed in" so that the signal was appearing again. God help me if I accidentally moved something after that. And of course, while all this was happening the ATU was having fits, with 99:1 SWR readings and the amp was going offline; all kinds of weirdnesses. After things calmed down. the ATU behaved itself, the amp stopped being pouty, and all was then good. > > Thankfully, now that I have the Cables On Demand product, things seem to have quieted down - although I still don't disconnect without provocation. :) Though I'm desperately afraid of when I start to go mobile after the snow melts and the weather gets nice again. :) Hope I can get my IC706 fixed and back in service as my base station before that occurs. > > My question was going to be in desperation more than anything else if this last cable didn't work, but thankfully, that's been the only cable vendor that I trust for any of my specialized cables and they haven't failed me even with this one. > > Are BNC connectors that finicky? Is it possible that I just had a bad batch of low quality jumpers? I'm just wondering if anyone else has had excessive fiddling with their BNC connections. > > --- > 72, > Rich Hurd / WC3T / DMR: 3142737 > PA Army MARS, Northampton County RACES, EPA-ARRL Public Information Officer for Scouting > Latitude: 40.761621 Longitude: -75.288988 (40?45.68' N 75?17.33' W) Grid: FN20is > > > > > -- > 72, > Rich Hurd / WC3T / DMR: 3142737 > PA Army MARS, Northampton County RACES, EPA-ARRL Public Information Officer for Scouting > Latitude: 40.761621 Longitude: -75.288988 (40?45.68' N 75?17.33' W) Grid: FN20is > > > __._,_.___ > Posted by: rich hurd WC3T > > Reply via web post ? Reply to sender? ? Reply to group? ? Start a New Topic ? Messages in this topic (18) > Have you tried the highest rated email app? > With 4.5 stars in iTunes, the Yahoo Mail app is the highest rated email app on the market. What are you waiting for? Now you can access all your inboxes (Gmail, Outlook, AOL and more) in one place. Never delete an email again with 1000GB of free cloud storage. > VISIT YOUR GROUP New Members 6 > ? Privacy ? Unsubscribe ? Terms of Use > . > > > __,_._,___ From ghyoungman at gmail.com Thu Mar 8 14:46:38 2018 From: ghyoungman at gmail.com (GRANT YOUNGMAN) Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2018 14:46:38 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] BNC connector oddity on KX3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9183D943-25A4-43CD-90E2-747BF96B6219@gmail.com> So was the antenna and related cabling/connectors good as verified by your analyzer at the point of the radio connection? In some 60 years of doing this, I have yet to find the radio to be the problem when it tells me it?s looking into high SWR. There?s a first time for everything, course :-) > On Mar 8, 2018, at 2:23 PM, rich hurd WC3T wrote: > > Okay, so I took the plunge and disconnected the KX3 to take with me on > vacation. Hooking it back up proved to be a tad problematic - SWRs of > 25:1 and no signals from any bands, anywhere. I'm now working through what > options I have, starting with checking female connector deformation and > doing what I can to examine oxidation, and general quarrantining of wires > and connectors. > > I also wrote to Elecraft to get a quote for a replacement BNC connector > with the LPF installed - worst case is I'll just start over again with a > new chassis connector. > > Ain't radio fun? :) > Grant NQ5T K3 #2091, KX3 #8342 From wunder at wunderwood.org Thu Mar 8 14:50:51 2018 From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood) Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2018 11:50:51 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] BNC connector oddity on KX3 In-Reply-To: <9183D943-25A4-43CD-90E2-747BF96B6219@gmail.com> References: <9183D943-25A4-43CD-90E2-747BF96B6219@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5610C470-4419-49DA-A979-1EB3EDBF911B@wunderwood.org> Open it up and make sure that the antenna connector is securely connected to the ATU board. wunder K6WRU Walter Underwood CM87wj http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) > On Mar 8, 2018, at 11:46 AM, GRANT YOUNGMAN wrote: > > So was the antenna and related cabling/connectors good as verified by your analyzer at the point of the radio connection? In some 60 years of doing this, I have yet to find the radio to be the problem when it tells me it?s looking into high SWR. There?s a first time for everything, course :-) > > >> On Mar 8, 2018, at 2:23 PM, rich hurd WC3T wrote: >> >> Okay, so I took the plunge and disconnected the KX3 to take with me on >> vacation. Hooking it back up proved to be a tad problematic - SWRs of >> 25:1 and no signals from any bands, anywhere. I'm now working through what >> options I have, starting with checking female connector deformation and >> doing what I can to examine oxidation, and general quarrantining of wires >> and connectors. >> >> I also wrote to Elecraft to get a quote for a replacement BNC connector >> with the LPF installed - worst case is I'll just start over again with a >> new chassis connector. >> >> Ain't radio fun? :) >> > > Grant NQ5T > K3 #2091, KX3 #8342 > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wunder at wunderwood.org From wes_n7ws at triconet.org Thu Mar 8 14:54:25 2018 From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes Stewart) Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2018 12:54:25 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Planning the next filters In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <802a222b-9efd-babc-b843-485a165864d5@triconet.org> I would replace the 2.7 with the 2.8, keep the 400 and be done with it. I did. The purpose of the "roofing filters" (I hate that term) is to protect the 2nd mixer from overload.? The wider filter is used on TX as well and the 2.8 has superior symmetry which helps opposite sideband rejection. Most of the garbage you will hear, particularly on SSB is from the lousy phase noise and TX IMD (K3s include here) from adjacent signals falling in your RX passband.? No amount of filtering on your end will fix this. Wes? N7WS On 3/8/2018 9:22 AM, Chuck Chandler wrote: > Right now I have the stock SSB and a 400 Hz filter in both main and sub > rcvrs. I would like to add some a few at a time. My first priority is to > add a couple to the main receiver, since it is the biggest chore to get > to. > > I plan on a 250 Hz CW filter, but am going back and forth between the 2.1 > and 1.8 kHz filters. I know that narrowing the DSP to 1.8 gives a really > difficult to understand voice signal, while the 2.1 allows in more adjacent > signals. However, the roofing filters may not behave in the same manner. > For example, the 1.8 could be set to turn on at 2.1 to take advantage of > skirt shape. > > I primarily DX, and operate in some contests as well. I know SSB contests > really need a narrow SSB filter. > > Any suggestions on the matter from those who have gone this route before? > > 73 de Chuck, WS1L > From rich at wc3t.us Thu Mar 8 15:20:27 2018 From: rich at wc3t.us (rich hurd WC3T) Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2018 15:20:27 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] BNC connector oddity on KX3 In-Reply-To: <5610C470-4419-49DA-A979-1EB3EDBF911B@wunderwood.org> References: <9183D943-25A4-43CD-90E2-747BF96B6219@gmail.com> <5610C470-4419-49DA-A979-1EB3EDBF911B@wunderwood.org> Message-ID: I have three more days of checking various configurations including binding post antennas, end fed half waves, opening the damn thing up... Thanks all for the suggestions. On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 2:50 PM, Walter Underwood wrote: > Open it up and make sure that the antenna connector is securely connected > to the ATU board. > > wunder > K6WRU > Walter Underwood > CM87wj > http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) > > > On Mar 8, 2018, at 11:46 AM, GRANT YOUNGMAN > wrote: > > > > So was the antenna and related cabling/connectors good as verified by > your analyzer at the point of the radio connection? In some 60 years of > doing this, I have yet to find the radio to be the problem when it tells me > it?s looking into high SWR. There?s a first time for everything, course :-) > > > > > >> On Mar 8, 2018, at 2:23 PM, rich hurd WC3T wrote: > >> > >> Okay, so I took the plunge and disconnected the KX3 to take with me on > >> vacation. Hooking it back up proved to be a tad problematic - SWRs of > >> 25:1 and no signals from any bands, anywhere. I'm now working through > what > >> options I have, starting with checking female connector deformation and > >> doing what I can to examine oxidation, and general quarrantining of > wires > >> and connectors. > >> > >> I also wrote to Elecraft to get a quote for a replacement BNC connector > >> with the LPF installed - worst case is I'll just start over again with a > >> new chassis connector. > >> > >> Ain't radio fun? :) > >> > > > > Grant NQ5T > > K3 #2091, KX3 #8342 > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to wunder at wunderwood.org > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to rich at wc3t.us > -- 72, Rich Hurd / WC3T / DMR: 3142737 PA Army MARS, Northampton County RACES, EPA-ARRL Public Information Officer for Scouting Latitude: 40.761621 Longitude: -75.288988 (40?45.68' N 75?17.33' W) Grid: *FN20is* From donwilh at embarqmail.com Thu Mar 8 15:44:00 2018 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2018 15:44:00 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] BNC connector oddity on KX3 In-Reply-To: References: <9183D943-25A4-43CD-90E2-747BF96B6219@gmail.com> <5610C470-4419-49DA-A979-1EB3EDBF911B@wunderwood.org> Message-ID: <62bf98f3-8eca-b46d-f31c-30909faaf1ef@embarqmail.com> Rich, If the BNC connector rotates even a wee bit, that is the problem - tighten the BNC jack. A good connection to the jack shell is required. "Opening it up" is not a big deal - unless you have the 2 meter option - just remove the bottom cover, no more complicated than changing batteries. 73, Don W3FPR On 3/8/2018 3:20 PM, rich hurd WC3T wrote: > I have three more days of checking various configurations including binding > post antennas, end fed half waves, opening the damn thing up... Thanks > all for the suggestions. > > On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 2:50 PM, Walter Underwood > wrote: > >> Open it up and make sure that the antenna connector is securely connected >> to the ATU board. >> >> wunder >> K6WRU >> Walter Underwood >> CM87wj >> http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) >> >>> On Mar 8, 2018, at 11:46 AM, GRANT YOUNGMAN >> wrote: >>> >>> So was the antenna and related cabling/connectors good as verified by >> your analyzer at the point of the radio connection? In some 60 years of >> doing this, I have yet to find the radio to be the problem when it tells me >> it?s looking into high SWR. There?s a first time for everything, course :-) >>> >>> >>>> On Mar 8, 2018, at 2:23 PM, rich hurd WC3T wrote: >>>> >>>> Okay, so I took the plunge and disconnected the KX3 to take with me on >>>> vacation. Hooking it back up proved to be a tad problematic - SWRs of >>>> 25:1 and no signals from any bands, anywhere. I'm now working through >> what >>>> options I have, starting with checking female connector deformation and >>>> doing what I can to examine oxidation, and general quarrantining of >> wires >>>> and connectors. >>>> >>>> I also wrote to Elecraft to get a quote for a replacement BNC connector >>>> with the LPF installed - worst case is I'll just start over again with a >>>> new chassis connector. >>>> >>>> Ain't radio fun? :) >>>> >>> >>> Grant NQ5T >>> K3 #2091, KX3 #8342 >>> >>> >>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to wunder at wunderwood.org >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to rich at wc3t.us >> > > > From vk2bj at optusnet.com.au Thu Mar 8 15:44:58 2018 From: vk2bj at optusnet.com.au (Barry Simpson) Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2018 07:44:58 +1100 Subject: [Elecraft] Planning the next filters In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Craig I would go for the 200Hz filters, not the 250Hz. I added the 200Hz to my main and sub receivers (already have the 400Hz) and they are a really worthwhile addition. That's my opinion FWIW. 73 Barry VK2BJ On 9 March 2018 at 03:57, Craig Buck wrote: > Get the 1.8 if you work ssb. Experiment with shifting the pass band for > maximum clarity. Youll be amazed just how narrow it can get and still be > understandable. > > On Mar 8, 2018 11:24 AM, "Chuck Chandler" wrote: > > > Right now I have the stock SSB and a 400 Hz filter in both main and sub > > rcvrs. I would like to add some a few at a time. My first priority is > to > > add a couple to the main receiver, since it is the biggest chore to get > > to. > > > > I plan on a 250 Hz CW filter, but am going back and forth between the 2.1 > > and 1.8 kHz filters. I know that narrowing the DSP to 1.8 gives a really > > difficult to understand voice signal, while the 2.1 allows in more > adjacent > > signals. However, the roofing filters may not behave in the same manner. > > For example, the 1.8 could be set to turn on at 2.1 to take advantage of > > skirt shape. > > > > I primarily DX, and operate in some contests as well. I know SSB > contests > > really need a narrow SSB filter. > > > > Any suggestions on the matter from those who have gone this route before? > > > > 73 de Chuck, WS1L > > > > -- > > > > > > =================== > > Chuck Chandler > > chandlerusm at gmail.com > > =================== > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to radiok4ia at gmail.com > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to vk2bj at optusnet.com.au > From rich at wc3t.us Thu Mar 8 15:55:59 2018 From: rich at wc3t.us (rich hurd WC3T) Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2018 15:55:59 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] BNC connector oddity on KX3 In-Reply-To: <62bf98f3-8eca-b46d-f31c-30909faaf1ef@embarqmail.com> References: <9183D943-25A4-43CD-90E2-747BF96B6219@gmail.com> <5610C470-4419-49DA-A979-1EB3EDBF911B@wunderwood.org> <62bf98f3-8eca-b46d-f31c-30909faaf1ef@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: That's one thing I was able to check; connector is tightened securely on the shell of the KX3. Thanks. On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 3:44 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > Rich, > > If the BNC connector rotates even a wee bit, that is the problem - tighten > the BNC jack. A good connection to the jack shell is required. > "Opening it up" is not a big deal - unless you have the 2 meter option - > just remove the bottom cover, no more complicated than changing batteries. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > > On 3/8/2018 3:20 PM, rich hurd WC3T wrote: > >> I have three more days of checking various configurations including >> binding >> post antennas, end fed half waves, opening the damn thing up... Thanks >> all for the suggestions. >> >> On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 2:50 PM, Walter Underwood >> wrote: >> >> Open it up and make sure that the antenna connector is securely connected >>> to the ATU board. >>> >>> wunder >>> K6WRU >>> Walter Underwood >>> CM87wj >>> http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) >>> >>> On Mar 8, 2018, at 11:46 AM, GRANT YOUNGMAN >>>> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> So was the antenna and related cabling/connectors good as verified by >>>> >>> your analyzer at the point of the radio connection? In some 60 years of >>> doing this, I have yet to find the radio to be the problem when it tells >>> me >>> it?s looking into high SWR. There?s a first time for everything, course >>> :-) >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mar 8, 2018, at 2:23 PM, rich hurd WC3T wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Okay, so I took the plunge and disconnected the KX3 to take with me on >>>>> vacation. Hooking it back up proved to be a tad problematic - SWRs of >>>>> 25:1 and no signals from any bands, anywhere. I'm now working through >>>>> >>>> what >>> >>>> options I have, starting with checking female connector deformation and >>>>> doing what I can to examine oxidation, and general quarrantining of >>>>> >>>> wires >>> >>>> and connectors. >>>>> >>>>> I also wrote to Elecraft to get a quote for a replacement BNC connector >>>>> with the LPF installed - worst case is I'll just start over again with >>>>> a >>>>> new chassis connector. >>>>> >>>>> Ain't radio fun? :) >>>>> >>>>> >>>> Grant NQ5T >>>> K3 #2091, KX3 #8342 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>>> Elecraft mailing list >>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>> >>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>>> Message delivered to wunder at wunderwood.org >>>> >>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to rich at wc3t.us >>> >>> >> >> >> -- 72, Rich Hurd / WC3T / DMR: 3142737 PA Army MARS, Northampton County RACES, EPA-ARRL Public Information Officer for Scouting Latitude: 40.761621 Longitude: -75.288988 (40?45.68' N 75?17.33' W) Grid: *FN20is* From frantz at pwpconsult.com Thu Mar 8 16:08:52 2018 From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz) Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2018 13:08:52 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Planning the next filters In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I am a all-band, all-mode operator. I contest, chase DX, and just make contacts. I have something close to what you are considering. I have 250, 2.1K, 2.7K, and 13K filters in both my main and sub receivers. I got the 250 for eliminating loud PSK signals from wiping out weak ones. It was a bunch of playing with center and width, but worked quite well. I also use the 250 on CW, sometimes narrowing the DSP bandwidth to 50 Hz to minimize noise, or nearby QRM when listening to a DX station. In a DX chase, hopefully the DX will have a bit of spectrum all to its own, but with DQRM and people tuning up on the DX frequency, narrow bandwidth can be very useful. If the DX frequency is clear, the Audio Peaking Filter can work better than the 50 Hz DSP bandwidth in reducing noise. Joe is making me tempted to replace the 250s with 200s -- I've had problems in contests with nearby strong stations. Jim makes an good argument for the 2.8K ones for cleaner digital transmission. As you may have noticed, the filter configuration is a highly individual choice. With the DSP as good as it is, you should have fine performance whichever way you choose. 73 Bill AE6JV On 3/8/18 at 8:22 AM, chandlerusm at gmail.com (Chuck Chandler) wrote: >I plan on a 250 Hz CW filter, but am going back and forth between the 2.1 >and 1.8 kHz filters. I know that narrowing the DSP to 1.8 gives a really >difficult to understand voice signal, while the 2.1 allows in more adjacent >signals. However, the roofing filters may not behave in the same manner. >For example, the 1.8 could be set to turn on at 2.1 to take advantage of >skirt shape. > >I primarily DX, and operate in some contests as well. I know SSB contests >really need a narrow SSB filter. > >Any suggestions on the matter from those who have gone this route before? > >73 de Chuck, WS1L > On 3/8/18 at 9:32 AM, lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) wrote: >... If you feel you *need* a narrower filter in the 8215 KHz IF, >consider the new KFL3C-200 which is truly 200 Hz wide at -6 dB. >See: particularly the >last graph. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz | Government is not reason, it is not eloquence, it is force; like 408-356-8506 | a fire, a troublesome servant and a fearful master. Never for a www.pwpconsult.com | moment should it be left to irresponsible action. Geo Washington From wrmichael at hotmail.com Thu Mar 8 16:34:07 2018 From: wrmichael at hotmail.com (Wayne Michael) Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2018 21:34:07 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S For sale 100 Watt version with ATU Message-ID: I have a K3S for sale (Original owner) It was factory calibrated when I had the LPA board replaced shortly after it was built. It has been a great radio will be missed but I need to make room. Mic, Power cables, manual 3000 OBO Pics available on demand. Also listed in the facebook "ham radio for sale" group along with a few other rigs I have for sale. I have to admit I am afraid I am going to regret selling it... Wayne AC9HP From shelsherm at gmail.com Thu Mar 8 16:42:00 2018 From: shelsherm at gmail.com (Shel Sherman) Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2018 15:42:00 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] k3 key out jack Message-ID: <5aa1ae2a.03d90d0a.dc5ab.d113@mx.google.com> Sent from Mail for Windows 10 My K3 does not pull the key out line to ground when pulsed by the internal keyer, I need some help in tracing the circuit on a schematic. Shel Sherman WO0C From donwilh at embarqmail.com Thu Mar 8 17:06:44 2018 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2018 17:06:44 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] k3 key out jack In-Reply-To: <5aa1ae2a.03d90d0a.dc5ab.d113@mx.google.com> References: <5aa1ae2a.03d90d0a.dc5ab.d113@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <50ab1890-51d2-972c-4f20-90647385b31e@embarqmail.com> Shel, Keyout is on RF Board sheet 1. Is your problem only from the internal keyer? In other words, does it work when you use a hand key or computer keying? If also a problem from a hand key or computer keying, then what is the DC voltage at the gate of Q3 during keydown - should be almost 12 volts. Do you have 7 volts on the gate of Q5 during receive? The Keyout is a simple circuit consisting only of Q3 and Q5 - when in transmit, the 7R input should go to near zero, and that should make the gate of Q3 go to a high voltage (almost 12 volts) - that is all there is to it. 73, Don W3FPR On 3/8/2018 4:42 PM, Shel Sherman wrote: > > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > My K3 does not pull the key out line to ground when pulsed by the internal keyer, I need some help in tracing the circuit on a schematic. > > Shel Sherman WO0C > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to donwilh at embarqmail.com > From mike.ab3ap at gmail.com Thu Mar 8 17:38:22 2018 From: mike.ab3ap at gmail.com (Mike Markowski) Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2018 17:38:22 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] 3D-print case for KXPD2 In-Reply-To: <1961944.ask7MOOjZO@gantu> References: <1961944.ask7MOOjZO@gantu> Message-ID: <7858bea1-473e-735d-3acc-0d2fb37d210c@gmail.com> Very nice, Johan! A 3d printer is tempting, though I have no real need... Kind of like this radio hobby we're all addicted to. :-) 73, Mike ab3ap On 03/07/2018 02:59 PM, Johan Ymerson wrote: > Hi, > > I just received my KXPD2 and needed a case to protect it. > Couldn't find one so I created one to print in my 3D printer :-) > Thought I share it for anyone who find it useful:https:// > www.youmagine.com/designs/kxpd2-case > > 73 de SM0XHJ From rmcgraw at blomand.net Thu Mar 8 20:22:09 2018 From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX) Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2018 19:22:09 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] 1.8 kHz SSB Filter In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I definitely agree regarding having a 1.8 kHz filter for SSB is a positive attribute.?? In fact both of my radios have 1.8 kHz filters.?? And by reducing the DSP BW to 1.8 kHz and shifting the PBT, one would be amazed at how well a SSB signal really sounds. Certainly worth the investment in my experience. 73 Bob, K4TAX On 3/8/2018 4:38 PM, elecraft-request at mailman.qth.net wrote: > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2018 11:57:32 -0500 > From: Craig Buck > To: Chuck Chandler > Cc:elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Planning the next filters > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Get the 1.8 if you work ssb. Experiment with shifting the pass band for > maximum clarity. Youll be amazed just how narrow it can get and still be > understandable. > > On Mar 8, 2018 11:24 AM, "Chuck Chandler" wrote: > >> Right now I have the stock SSB and a 400 Hz filter in both main and sub >> rcvrs. I would like to add some a few at a time. My first priority is to >> add a couple to the main receiver, since it is the biggest chore to get >> to. >> >> I plan on a 250 Hz CW filter, but am going back and forth between the 2.1 >> and 1.8 kHz filters. I know that narrowing the DSP to 1.8 gives a really >> difficult to understand voice signal, while the 2.1 allows in more adjacent >> signals. However, the roofing filters may not behave in the same manner. >> For example, the 1.8 could be set to turn on at 2.1 to take advantage of >> skirt shape. >> >> I primarily DX, and operate in some contests as well. I know SSB contests >> really need a narrow SSB filter. >> >> Any suggestions on the matter from those who have gone this route before? >> >> 73 de Chuck, WS1L From k9yeq at live.com Thu Mar 8 20:36:04 2018 From: k9yeq at live.com (Bill Johnson) Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2018 01:36:04 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] 1.8 kHz SSB Filter In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Yes! 73, Bill K9YEQ -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of Bob McGraw K4TAX Sent: Thursday, March 8, 2018 7:22 PM To: Elecraft List Subject: Re: [Elecraft] 1.8 kHz SSB Filter I definitely agree regarding having a 1.8 kHz filter for SSB is a positive attribute.?? In fact both of my radios have 1.8 kHz filters. And by reducing the DSP BW to 1.8 kHz and shifting the PBT, one would be amazed at how well a SSB signal really sounds. Certainly worth the investment in my experience. 73 Bob, K4TAX On 3/8/2018 4:38 PM, elecraft-request at mailman.qth.net wrote: > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2018 11:57:32 -0500 > From: Craig Buck > To: Chuck Chandler Cc:elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Planning the next filters > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Get the 1.8 if you work ssb. Experiment with shifting the pass band > for maximum clarity. Youll be amazed just how narrow it can get and > still be understandable. > > On Mar 8, 2018 11:24 AM, "Chuck Chandler" wrote: > >> Right now I have the stock SSB and a 400 Hz filter in both main and >> sub rcvrs. I would like to add some a few at a time. My first >> priority is to add a couple to the main receiver, since it is the >> biggest chore to get to. >> >> I plan on a 250 Hz CW filter, but am going back and forth between the >> 2.1 and 1.8 kHz filters. I know that narrowing the DSP to 1.8 gives >> a really difficult to understand voice signal, while the 2.1 allows >> in more adjacent signals. However, the roofing filters may not behave in the same manner. >> For example, the 1.8 could be set to turn on at 2.1 to take advantage >> of skirt shape. >> >> I primarily DX, and operate in some contests as well. I know SSB >> contests really need a narrow SSB filter. >> >> Any suggestions on the matter from those who have gone this route before? >> >> 73 de Chuck, WS1L ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to k9yeq at live.com From gary at audiocominc.net Thu Mar 8 20:44:13 2018 From: gary at audiocominc.net (Gary Baker) Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2018 17:44:13 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] IFR1500 Service Monitor For Sale Message-ID: <002c01d3b748$2114dca0$633e95e0$@audiocominc.net> I have an IFR1500 Service monitor for sale--$3,300 plus shipping cost. This service monitor is in great condition with a new attenuator and center frequency meter. It has the high accuracy time base and can measure frequencies down to .1 Hz! Photos available upon request. 73's, Gary-K7EMF From eric.csuf at gmail.com Thu Mar 8 20:58:17 2018 From: eric.csuf at gmail.com (EricJ) Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2018 17:58:17 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] IFR1500 Service Monitor For Sale In-Reply-To: <002c01d3b748$2114dca0$633e95e0$@audiocominc.net> References: <002c01d3b748$2114dca0$633e95e0$@audiocominc.net> Message-ID: <478f8010-6024-46c6-22e1-70ec64e5c3a6@gmail.com> Usain Bolt ran 100 yards in slightly less than 10 seconds so 0.1 Hz can be accurately measured with a stopwatch. Eric KE6US On 3/8/2018 5:44 PM, Gary Baker wrote: > I have an IFR1500 Service monitor for sale--$3,300 plus shipping cost. This > service monitor is in great condition with a new attenuator and center > frequency meter. It has the high accuracy time base and can measure > frequencies down to > > .1 Hz! Photos available upon request. 73's, Gary-K7EMF > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to eric.csuf at gmail.com From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Thu Mar 8 23:38:07 2018 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2018 20:38:07 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Planning the next filters In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 3/8/2018 1:08 PM, Bill Frantz wrote: > I got the 250 for eliminating loud PSK signals from wiping out weak > ones. It was a bunch of playing with center and width, but worked > quite well. Hi Bill, Recall my post from a few days ago about phase shift being the enemy of signal decoders, and that filters built with real components (and most digital domain filters) create phase shift in the passband. The steeper the skirts, the greater the phase shift, and the more it extends into the passband. I don't work PSK31 and don't know about PSK31 decoders, but the authors of other decoding software (WSJT-X, 2Tone) recommend that radios use wide bandwidth and let the decoder reject off-frequency QRM. Heavy duty RTTY guys like W0YK recommend 500 Hz for RTTY, and K1JT recommends the full bandwidth of SSB channel. I follow their advice, and find it works well for me. 73, Jim K9YC From frantz at pwpconsult.com Fri Mar 9 01:18:45 2018 From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz) Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2018 22:18:45 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Planning the next filters In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I understand that advice, and follow it most of the time. However, I found that when I was trying to receive weak PSK31 signals, strong, nearby signals would make decode impossible. Using a combination of the 250 Hz filter with the DSP filter, sometimes as narrow as 50 Hz would allow decode. I think the problem was that the combination of the strong signal and the weak signal exceeded the dynamic range of the audio AtoD converter going into the computer, and the weak signal lost out. I could be wrong. This problem occurred with a SignaLink. I have not had as much of a problem with the KIO3B running FT8, but the circumstances are different enough between the two modes that I'm not sure that is an apples to apples comparison. I was able to improve FT8 decode through the KIO3B when there were strong signals 2-3 KHz away from the FT8 subband by narrowing the DSP bandwidth from 4K to 2.5K (which automatically switched from the 13 KHz FM filter to the stock 2.7 KHz filter). 73 Bill AE6JV On 3/8/18 at 8:38 PM, jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) wrote: >On 3/8/2018 1:08 PM, Bill Frantz wrote: >>I got the 250 for eliminating loud PSK signals from wiping out >>weak ones. It was a bunch of playing with center and width, >>but worked quite well. > >Hi Bill, > >Recall my post from a few days ago about phase shift being the >enemy of signal decoders, and that filters built with real >components (and most digital domain filters) create phase shift >in the passband. The steeper the skirts, the greater the phase >shift, and the more it extends into the passband. > >I don't work PSK31 and don't know about PSK31 decoders, but the >authors of other decoding software (WSJT-X, 2Tone) recommend >that radios use wide bandwidth and let the decoder reject >off-frequency QRM. Heavy duty RTTY guys like W0YK recommend 500 >Hz for RTTY, and K1JT recommends the full bandwidth of SSB >channel. I follow their advice, and find it works well for me. > >73, Jim K9YC ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz | Can't fix stupid, but duct | Periwinkle (408)356-8506 | tape can muffle the sound... | 16345 Englewood Ave www.pwpconsult.com | - Bill Liebman | Los Gatos, CA 95032 From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Fri Mar 9 01:40:25 2018 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2018 22:40:25 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Planning the next filters In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <784e42f5-4704-6742-cc04-68b9c11b1e37@audiosystemsgroup.com> On 3/8/2018 10:18 PM, Bill Frantz wrote: > This problem occurred with a SignaLink. That's not a very good interface. It helps to have an clip light or other digital level indicator on the interface for the received signal. My Tascam US100 has a green signal presence light and a red one for clip, which makes it easy to stay out of trouble. 73, Jim K9YC From g4gnx at g4gnx.com Fri Mar 9 04:22:12 2018 From: g4gnx at g4gnx.com (G4GNX) Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2018 09:22:12 -0000 Subject: [Elecraft] IFR1500 Service Monitor For Sale In-Reply-To: <478f8010-6024-46c6-22e1-70ec64e5c3a6@gmail.com> References: <002c01d3b748$2114dca0$633e95e0$@audiocominc.net> <478f8010-6024-46c6-22e1-70ec64e5c3a6@gmail.com> Message-ID: Yeah, but where do you put the stopwatch to measure the RF? :-D 73, Alan. G4GNX -----Original Message----- From: EricJ Sent: Friday, March 9, 2018 1:58 AM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] IFR1500 Service Monitor For Sale Usain Bolt ran 100 yards in slightly less than 10 seconds so 0.1 Hz can be accurately measured with a stopwatch. Eric KE6US From johan at e-626.net Fri Mar 9 03:54:28 2018 From: johan at e-626.net (Johan Ymerson) Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2018 09:54:28 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] 3D-print case for KXPD2 In-Reply-To: <7858bea1-473e-735d-3acc-0d2fb37d210c@gmail.com> References: <1961944.ask7MOOjZO@gantu> <7858bea1-473e-735d-3acc-0d2fb37d210c@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5300805.QM8jDvqXqj@gantu> On Thursday, 8 March 2018 23:38:22 CET Mike Markowski wrote: > Very nice, Johan! A 3d printer is tempting, though I have no real > need... Kind of like this radio hobby we're all addicted to. :-) You see, these hobbies go well together! An you can always find the need for it somewhere, if you look hard enough ;-) 73 de SM0XHJ From kh at kh-translation.dk Fri Mar 9 07:11:42 2018 From: kh at kh-translation.dk (Kjeld Holm) Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2018 13:11:42 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] 1.8 kHz SSB Filter In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000c01d3b79f$c982c530$5c884f90$@kh-translation.dk> Agree And just want to tell you that I am using Filter width=1500 and Filter=750. Vy 73 de OZ1CCM -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Bill Johnson Sent: 9. marts 2018 02:36 To: Elecraft List Subject: Re: [Elecraft] 1.8 kHz SSB Filter Yes! 73, Bill K9YEQ -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of Bob McGraw K4TAX Sent: Thursday, March 8, 2018 7:22 PM To: Elecraft List Subject: Re: [Elecraft] 1.8 kHz SSB Filter I definitely agree regarding having a 1.8 kHz filter for SSB is a positive attribute. In fact both of my radios have 1.8 kHz filters. And by reducing the DSP BW to 1.8 kHz and shifting the PBT, one would be amazed at how well a SSB signal really sounds. Certainly worth the investment in my experience. 73 Bob, K4TAX On 3/8/2018 4:38 PM, elecraft-request at mailman.qth.net wrote: > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2018 11:57:32 -0500 > From: Craig Buck > To: Chuck Chandler Cc:elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Planning the next filters > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Get the 1.8 if you work ssb. Experiment with shifting the pass band > for maximum clarity. Youll be amazed just how narrow it can get and > still be understandable. > > On Mar 8, 2018 11:24 AM, "Chuck Chandler" wrote: > >> Right now I have the stock SSB and a 400 Hz filter in both main and >> sub rcvrs. I would like to add some a few at a time. My first >> priority is to add a couple to the main receiver, since it is the >> biggest chore to get to. >> >> I plan on a 250 Hz CW filter, but am going back and forth between the >> 2.1 and 1.8 kHz filters. I know that narrowing the DSP to 1.8 gives >> a really difficult to understand voice signal, while the 2.1 allows >> in more adjacent signals. However, the roofing filters may not behave in the same manner. >> For example, the 1.8 could be set to turn on at 2.1 to take advantage >> of skirt shape. >> >> I primarily DX, and operate in some contests as well. I know SSB >> contests really need a narrow SSB filter. >> >> Any suggestions on the matter from those who have gone this route before? >> >> 73 de Chuck, WS1L ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to k9yeq at live.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to kh at kh-translation.dk From tim.n9puz at gmail.com Fri Mar 9 08:20:32 2018 From: tim.n9puz at gmail.com (Tim N9PUZ) Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2018 07:20:32 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Cable for KX2 and KPXA-100 Message-ID: I have a KX2/KPXA-100 combination. I'd like to be able to physically separate the two more than the factory supplied cables will allow. Any problems with adding a 2 or 3 foot extension to the KX2ACBL data/control cable that runs between the two? Tim / N9PUZ From raysills3 at verizon.net Fri Mar 9 09:18:09 2018 From: raysills3 at verizon.net (Raymond Sills) Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2018 09:18:09 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Planning the next filters In-Reply-To: <784e42f5-4704-6742-cc04-68b9c11b1e37@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <1620b204d1c-c88-2867@webjas-vad132.srv.aolmail.net> And.... isn't it the case that the SignaLink is a 16 bit device? That Tascam US 100 is also 16 bits, but it has been replaced by a model that has 24 bit/96 KHz sampling.. indicating a high quality interface. 73 de Ray K2ULR KX3 #211 -----Original Message----- From: Jim Brown To: elecraft Sent: Fri, Mar 9, 2018 1:41 am Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Planning the next filters On 3/8/2018 10:18 PM, Bill Frantz wrote: > This problem occurred with a SignaLink. That's not a very good interface. It helps to have an clip light or other digital level indicator on the interface for the received signal. My Tascam US100 has a green signal presence light and a red one for clip, which makes it easy to stay out of trouble. 73, Jim K9YC ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to raysills3 at verizon.net From billamader at gmail.com Fri Mar 9 10:01:43 2018 From: billamader at gmail.com (K8TE) Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2018 08:01:43 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] New KPA1500 feature: ATU TUNE integration with K3 and K3S transceivers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1520607703491-0.post@n2.nabble.com> Even though I am impatiently awaiting my KPA1500, I would really like this feature for my KPA500 too! 73, Bill, K8TE -- Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ From johan at e-626.net Fri Mar 9 10:05:21 2018 From: johan at e-626.net (Johan Ymerson) Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2018 16:05:21 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] Planning the next filters In-Reply-To: <1620b204d1c-c88-2867@webjas-vad132.srv.aolmail.net> References: <1620b204d1c-c88-2867@webjas-vad132.srv.aolmail.net> Message-ID: <84479476.RjOZjVzSoS@gantu> Yes, the Signalink USB is 16-bit from what I remember. But on the other hand alost all rigs have a 16-bit audio DAC so that will be the limiting factor anyway (with K3 being the exception with a 24-bit DAC). Probably the biggest problem with the Signalink USB is not the interface itself, but the Windows builtin drivers for the ADC. It thinks the ADC is a microphone and add +30 dB of gain in software. So those 16 bit's are quickly reduced to 6 bits if you are not careful. There are some descriptions (it isn't obvious, it is not visible in the normal mixer controls) on the net how to set the gain to (almost) 0 dB, but I use Linux so I haven't tried. /Johan On Friday, 9 March 2018 15:18:09 CET Raymond Sills wrote: > And.... isn't it the case that the SignaLink is a 16 bit device? That > Tascam US 100 is also 16 bits, but it has been replaced by a model that has > 24 bit/96 KHz sampling.. indicating a high quality interface. > > 73 de Ray > K2ULR > KX3 #211 > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jim Brown > To: elecraft > Sent: Fri, Mar 9, 2018 1:41 am > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Planning the next filters > > On 3/8/2018 10:18 PM, Bill Frantz wrote: > > This problem occurred with a SignaLink. > > That's not a very good interface. It helps to have an clip light or > other digital level indicator on the interface for the received signal. > My Tascam US100 has a green signal presence light and a red one for > clip, which makes it easy to stay out of trouble. > > 73, Jim K9YC > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to raysills3 at verizon.net > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to johan at e-626.net From lists at subich.com Fri Mar 9 10:29:19 2018 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2018 10:29:19 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Planning the next filters In-Reply-To: <84479476.RjOZjVzSoS@gantu> References: <1620b204d1c-c88-2867@webjas-vad132.srv.aolmail.net> <84479476.RjOZjVzSoS@gantu> Message-ID: > Probably the biggest problem with the Signalink USB is not the > interface itself, but the Windows builtin drivers for the ADC. It > thinks the ADC is a microphone and add +30 dB of gain in software. That issue is not with Windows ... it is with the device maker who has selected a device that identifies as microphone level. Using the proper device/device ID will cause Windows to see it as a line level input and set the drivers correctly. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 3/9/2018 10:05 AM, Johan Ymerson wrote: > Yes, the Signalink USB is 16-bit from what I remember. But on the other hand > alost all rigs have a 16-bit audio DAC so that will be the limiting factor > anyway (with K3 being the exception with a 24-bit DAC). > > Probably the biggest problem with the Signalink USB is not the interface > itself, but the Windows builtin drivers for the ADC. It thinks the ADC is a > microphone and add +30 dB of gain in software. So those 16 bit's are quickly > reduced to 6 bits if you are not careful. There are some descriptions (it > isn't obvious, it is not visible in the normal mixer controls) on the net how > to set the gain to (almost) 0 dB, but I use Linux so I haven't tried. > > /Johan > > On Friday, 9 March 2018 15:18:09 CET Raymond Sills wrote: >> And.... isn't it the case that the SignaLink is a 16 bit device? That >> Tascam US 100 is also 16 bits, but it has been replaced by a model that has >> 24 bit/96 KHz sampling.. indicating a high quality interface. >> >> 73 de Ray >> K2ULR >> KX3 #211 >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Jim Brown >> To: elecraft >> Sent: Fri, Mar 9, 2018 1:41 am >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Planning the next filters >> >> On 3/8/2018 10:18 PM, Bill Frantz wrote: >>> This problem occurred with a SignaLink. >> >> That's not a very good interface. It helps to have an clip light or >> other digital level indicator on the interface for the received signal. >> My Tascam US100 has a green signal presence light and a red one for >> clip, which makes it easy to stay out of trouble. >> >> 73, Jim K9YC >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to raysills3 at verizon.net >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to johan at e-626.net > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to lists at subich.com > From no9e at arrl.net Fri Mar 9 10:32:49 2018 From: no9e at arrl.net (Ignacy) Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2018 08:32:49 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] BNC connector oddity on KX3 In-Reply-To: References: <9183D943-25A4-43CD-90E2-747BF96B6219@gmail.com> <62bf98f3-8eca-b46d-f31c-30909faaf1ef@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <1520609569320-0.post@n2.nabble.com> I use many BNC connectors, some at KW level, and nearly all of them are good. But occasionally some do not make a good contact and need to be thrown away ASAP. The best way to check is to try another cable. Recently I bought a large number of cheap RG-58 cables with BNC connectors from showmecables.com. The cables turned out to be 60 Ohm and many connectors are poor. I like cables at hamfests from old professional equipment. Ignacy, NO9E -- Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ From junkmail at invades.net Fri Mar 9 10:39:11 2018 From: junkmail at invades.net (phil) Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2018 15:39:11 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 + 2m transverter + JT65 Message-ID: <323b9895-67dd-ac6d-dd13-11033d9f8b42@invades.net> Hi Everyone, I've just joined the list to ask a quick question - Is there anyone here who has actually tried 2m JT65 using a KX3 with the 2m transverter module? I understand that due to the KX3 temperature compensation system correcting drift in steps, that JT56 may not work on 2m, although I've been unable to find any reference to someone having actually just tried it to see if it works. And if it doesn't work, if there are any workarounds - e.g. would operating the radio with the case open and a fan cooling the RF board help the situation? I'm keen to have a go at EME and apart from this issue have everything I need sorted out, so I'm hoping this issue isn't going to be a deal-breaker. Phil G4PWO From n8noe at arrl.net Fri Mar 9 10:43:50 2018 From: n8noe at arrl.net (Jeffrey M. Swiger) Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2018 10:43:50 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KX2/3 Going to DATA mode Message-ID: Hey All, Been just starting with PACTOR and Winlink/Airmail. When letting the PTC-IIIUSB control the KX2 that part is Fine, But I need the Radio to use USB and it keep going to DATA mode. IS there a way to stop it, or HOW do I stop it from going to DATA mode? Software for other pieces of this seem fine, But for Some Reason 2 want to send DATA MODE, but just like to LOCK that part so this can be done Remotely. THANKS Jeff-N8NOE From shelsherm at gmail.com Fri Mar 9 10:57:41 2018 From: shelsherm at gmail.com (Shel Sherman) Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2018 09:57:41 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] KEY OUT LOOP Message-ID: <5aa2aef7.87d70d0a.6939f.1c96@mx.google.com> Sent from Mail for Windows 10 I am missing the signal on the gate of Q5 when the internal keyer is activated. Can anyone show me the path through the schematics so I can locate where the signal gets Shel WO0C From johan at e-626.net Fri Mar 9 11:00:58 2018 From: johan at e-626.net (Johan Ymerson) Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2018 17:00:58 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] Planning the next filters In-Reply-To: References: <1620b204d1c-c88-2867@webjas-vad132.srv.aolmail.net> <84479476.RjOZjVzSoS@gantu> Message-ID: <5336737.AP3I3I92bB@gantu> On Friday, 9 March 2018 16:29:19 CET Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: > > Probably the biggest problem with the Signalink USB is not the > > interface itself, but the Windows builtin drivers for the ADC. It > > thinks the ADC is a microphone and add +30 dB of gain in software. > > That issue is not with Windows ... it is with the device maker who > has selected a device that identifies as microphone level. Using > the proper device/device ID will cause Windows to see it as a line > level input and set the drivers correctly. > That can be debated, no other OS (MacOS/Linux/*BSD) identifies it as a microphone. And why is there no clear option to enable/disable the "software pre-amp" in Windows? On the filter discussion; I have (apart from FM filter) 2.8 KHz filters and 400 Hz filters. Very pleased with that. I am not a contester so I want the full SSB bandwidth, mainly for waterfall view in digital modes. 2.8 KHz because I couldn't be bothered with filter matching in main and sub receiver... 400 Hz is kind of the smallest BW usable for digital modes anyway. If you want to go tighter than that (for CW or possibly PSK31), use the DSP filter is my advice. /Johan From ktalbott at gamewood.net Fri Mar 9 11:04:49 2018 From: ktalbott at gamewood.net (ktalbott at gamewood.net) Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2018 11:04:49 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] 3D-print case for KXPD2 In-Reply-To: <5300805.QM8jDvqXqj@gantu> References: <1961944.ask7MOOjZO@gantu> <7858bea1-473e-735d-3acc-0d2fb37d210c@gmail.com> <5300805.QM8jDvqXqj@gantu> Message-ID: <006601d3b7c0$5b55cd70$12016850$@gamewood.net> Mine is in the mail. $12.70 shipped via 3D Hubs. -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of Johan Ymerson Sent: Friday, March 9, 2018 3:54 AM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] 3D-print case for KXPD2 On Thursday, 8 March 2018 23:38:22 CET Mike Markowski wrote: > Very nice, Johan! A 3d printer is tempting, though I have no real > need... Kind of like this radio hobby we're all addicted to. :-) You see, these hobbies go well together! An you can always find the need for it somewhere, if you look hard enough ;-) 73 de SM0XHJ ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ktalbott at gamewood.net From rich at wc3t.us Fri Mar 9 11:13:58 2018 From: rich at wc3t.us (rich hurd WC3T) Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2018 11:13:58 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] BNC connector oddity on KX3 In-Reply-To: <1520609569320-0.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <9183D943-25A4-43CD-90E2-747BF96B6219@gmail.com> <62bf98f3-8eca-b46d-f31c-30909faaf1ef@embarqmail.com> <1520609569320-0.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: I've pretty much exhausted most of the permutations of my cables and connectors. The only persistent behavior is that if I apply slight pressure to the side of the BNC connector where it plugs into the jack on the KX3, or sometimes if I twist it and then apply slight pressure just so, I see a jump in the noise floor and instead of the internal ATU wearing itself out and giving up with a 9:1 or 7:1 SWR, it immediately tunes to 1.0 or 1.1. I have removed/swapped all my the antenna leads. I have four of them, all Cables On Demand (Amphenol) manufacture. I also have a number of BNC to banana plug jacks, and even an MFJ-1899T. If I replace the leads without doing the twisting-and-slight-pressure thing, I lose the RF connection; the S meter has no indications on it, and the noise floor is nonexistent. As the old saw goes "The only common thing about all of your dysfunctional relationships... is you." I can extrapolate that to "the only common thing about all my poor connections is the BNC jack on the KX3." Yes, I have cracked the case, confirmed that all connections are firmly seated; all mechanical connections are sound and tightly made. I have a jeweler's screwdriver that I have used to slightly bend the female 'fingers' in for a better contact as well; they bend inward, and then spring back into place again. It's about time to consider a new jack. Frustrating, but I've now spent three or so hours finagling this and given the bench rate of an RF tech, I'm wasting money (and time.) On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 10:32 AM, Ignacy wrote: > I use many BNC connectors, some at KW level, and nearly all of them are > good. > But occasionally some do not make a good contact and need to be thrown away > ASAP. The best way to check is to try another cable. > > Recently I bought a large number of cheap RG-58 cables with BNC connectors > from showmecables.com. The cables turned out to be 60 Ohm and many > connectors are poor. > > I like cables at hamfests from old professional equipment. > > Ignacy, NO9E > > > > -- > Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to rich at wc3t.us > -- 72, Rich Hurd / WC3T / DMR: 3142737 PA Army MARS, Northampton County RACES, EPA-ARRL Public Information Officer for Scouting Latitude: 40.761621 Longitude: -75.288988 (40?45.68' N 75?17.33' W) Grid: *FN20is* From johan at e-626.net Fri Mar 9 11:46:46 2018 From: johan at e-626.net (Johan Ymerson) Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2018 17:46:46 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] BNC connector oddity on KX3 In-Reply-To: References: <1520609569320-0.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1853407.4tZ8RFLYzZ@gantu> Unfortunately there are some really crappy (cheap) BNC connectors out there, some with too large centre pins. Using one of those even once may be enought to damage the female side :-( So when you get a new female for your KX3, have a look at all your cables and adapters and make sure all of them are good quality. 73 de Johan, SM0XHJ On Friday, 9 March 2018 17:13:58 CET rich hurd WC3T wrote: > I've pretty much exhausted most of the permutations of my cables and > connectors. The only persistent behavior is that if I apply slight > pressure to the side of the BNC connector where it plugs into the jack on > the KX3, or sometimes if I twist it and then apply slight pressure just so, > I see a jump in the noise floor and instead of the internal ATU wearing > itself out and giving up with a 9:1 or 7:1 SWR, it immediately tunes to 1.0 > or 1.1. I have removed/swapped all my the antenna leads. I have four of > them, all Cables On Demand (Amphenol) manufacture. I also have a number of > BNC to banana plug jacks, and even an MFJ-1899T. If I replace the leads > without doing the twisting-and-slight-pressure thing, I lose the RF > connection; the S meter has no indications on it, and the noise floor is > nonexistent. > > As the old saw goes "The only common thing about all of your dysfunctional > relationships... is you." I can extrapolate that to "the only common > thing about all my poor connections is the BNC jack on the KX3." Yes, I > have cracked the case, confirmed that all connections are firmly seated; > all mechanical connections are sound and tightly made. I have a jeweler's > screwdriver that I have used to slightly bend the female 'fingers' in for a > better contact as well; they bend inward, and then spring back into place > again. > > It's about time to consider a new jack. Frustrating, but I've now spent > three or so hours finagling this and given the bench rate of an RF tech, > I'm wasting money (and time.) > From nr4c at widomaker.com Fri Mar 9 12:11:18 2018 From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c) Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2018 12:11:18 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KX2/3 Going to DATA mode In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <829B66A1-57D3-4F0C-A4D4-2D0B7B7087A7@widomaker.com> Why do you need USB? It is a data mode so DATA A seems appropriate. Should be a string in software config. Look for Radio Mode selection. Sent from my iPhone ...nr4c. bill > On Mar 9, 2018, at 10:43 AM, Jeffrey M. Swiger wrote: > > Hey All, > Been just starting with PACTOR and Winlink/Airmail. > When letting the PTC-IIIUSB control the KX2 that part is Fine, > But I need the Radio to use USB and it keep going to DATA mode. > IS there a way to stop it, or HOW do I stop it from going to DATA mode? > Software for other pieces of this seem fine, But for Some > Reason 2 want to send DATA MODE, but just like to LOCK that part so > this can be done Remotely. > THANKS > Jeff-N8NOE > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to nr4c at widomaker.com From lists at subich.com Fri Mar 9 12:18:11 2018 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2018 12:18:11 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] USB Audio CODEC (Was: Planning the next filters) In-Reply-To: <5336737.AP3I3I92bB@gantu> References: <1620b204d1c-c88-2867@webjas-vad132.srv.aolmail.net> <84479476.RjOZjVzSoS@gantu> <5336737.AP3I3I92bB@gantu> Message-ID: On 3/9/2018 11:00 AM, Johan Ymerson wrote: > And why is there no clear option to enable/disable the "software > pre-amp" in Windows? With the current drivers in Windows 10, disabling the preamp is automatic. One configures the level control in the Sound Control Panel (Recording) to display in dB ... any setting above 0 dB enables the preamp, any setting below 0 dB disables the preamp. I assume the change had propagated to Windows 8.1 before it ended mainstream support in January but I would not expect it in Windows XP, NT, 2000 or any other version of Windows that has been out of "mainstream" support for several years (obsolete). 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 3/9/2018 11:00 AM, Johan Ymerson wrote: > On Friday, 9 March 2018 16:29:19 CET Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: >>> Probably the biggest problem with the Signalink USB is not the >>> interface itself, but the Windows builtin drivers for the ADC. It >>> thinks the ADC is a microphone and add +30 dB of gain in software. >> >> That issue is not with Windows ... it is with the device maker who >> has selected a device that identifies as microphone level. Using >> the proper device/device ID will cause Windows to see it as a line >> level input and set the drivers correctly. >> > > That can be debated, no other OS (MacOS/Linux/*BSD) identifies it as a > microphone. And why is there no clear option to enable/disable the "software > pre-amp" in Windows? > > On the filter discussion; I have (apart from FM filter) 2.8 KHz filters and > 400 Hz filters. Very pleased with that. I am not a contester so I want the > full SSB bandwidth, mainly for waterfall view in digital modes. 2.8 KHz > because I couldn't be bothered with filter matching in main and sub > receiver... > 400 Hz is kind of the smallest BW usable for digital modes anyway. If you want > to go tighter than that (for CW or possibly PSK31), use the DSP filter is my > advice. > > /Johan > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to lists at subich.com > From wunder at wunderwood.org Fri Mar 9 12:22:54 2018 From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood) Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2018 09:22:54 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] KX2/3 Going to DATA mode In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <58F52E11-6A29-4DAE-9DB2-6824639A70C0@wunderwood.org> For PACTOR and Winlink, you should use DATA A mode. That disables TX EQ, RX EQ, and compression. Why do you think you need USB? wunder K6WRU Walter Underwood CM87wj http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) > On Mar 9, 2018, at 7:43 AM, Jeffrey M. Swiger > wrote: > > Hey All, > Been just starting with PACTOR and Winlink/Airmail. > When letting the PTC-IIIUSB control the KX2 that part is Fine, > But I need the Radio to use USB and it keep going to DATA mode. > IS there a way to stop it, or HOW do I stop it from going to DATA mode? > Software for other pieces of this seem fine, But for Some > Reason 2 want to send DATA MODE, but just like to LOCK that part so > this can be done Remotely. > THANKS > Jeff-N8NOE > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wunder at wunderwood.org From jmlowman at sbcglobal.net Fri Mar 9 13:52:46 2018 From: jmlowman at sbcglobal.net (Jim Low man) Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2018 10:52:46 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] 1.8 kHz SSB Filter In-Reply-To: <000c01d3b79f$c982c530$5c884f90$@kh-translation.dk> References: <000c01d3b79f$c982c530$5c884f90$@kh-translation.dk> Message-ID: Maybe I missed it, but there once was a link on the Elecraft website with filter recommendations. 73 de Jim-AD6CW > On Mar 9, 2018, at 4:11 AM, Kjeld Holm wrote: > > Agree > And just want to tell you that I am using Filter width=1500 and Filter=750. > Vy 73 de OZ1CCM > > -----Original Message----- > From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Bill Johnson > Sent: 9. marts 2018 02:36 > To: Elecraft List > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] 1.8 kHz SSB Filter > > Yes! > > 73, > Bill > K9YEQ > > -----Original Message----- > From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of Bob McGraw K4TAX > Sent: Thursday, March 8, 2018 7:22 PM > To: Elecraft List > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] 1.8 kHz SSB Filter > > I definitely agree regarding having a 1.8 kHz filter for SSB is a positive attribute. In fact both of my radios have 1.8 kHz filters. And by reducing the DSP BW to 1.8 kHz and shifting the PBT, one would be amazed at how well a SSB signal really sounds. Certainly worth the investment in my experience. > > 73 > > Bob, K4TAX > > >> On 3/8/2018 4:38 PM, elecraft-request at mailman.qth.net wrote: >> Message: 1 >> Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2018 11:57:32 -0500 >> From: Craig Buck >> To: Chuck Chandler Cc:elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Planning the next filters >> Message-ID: >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" >> >> Get the 1.8 if you work ssb. Experiment with shifting the pass band >> for maximum clarity. Youll be amazed just how narrow it can get and >> still be understandable. >> >>> On Mar 8, 2018 11:24 AM, "Chuck Chandler" wrote: >>> >>> Right now I have the stock SSB and a 400 Hz filter in both main and >>> sub rcvrs. I would like to add some a few at a time. My first >>> priority is to add a couple to the main receiver, since it is the >>> biggest chore to get to. >>> >>> I plan on a 250 Hz CW filter, but am going back and forth between the >>> 2.1 and 1.8 kHz filters. I know that narrowing the DSP to 1.8 gives >>> a really difficult to understand voice signal, while the 2.1 allows >>> in more adjacent signals. However, the roofing filters may not behave in the same manner. >>> For example, the 1.8 could be set to turn on at 2.1 to take advantage >>> of skirt shape. >>> >>> I primarily DX, and operate in some contests as well. I know SSB >>> contests really need a narrow SSB filter. >>> >>> Any suggestions on the matter from those who have gone this route before? >>> >>> 73 de Chuck, WS1L > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to k9yeq at live.com ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to kh at kh-translation.dk > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to jmlowman at sbcglobal.net From gordon.lapoint at gmail.com Fri Mar 9 14:19:10 2018 From: gordon.lapoint at gmail.com (Gordon LaPoint) Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2018 14:19:10 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K2 kit building problem In-Reply-To: <713fa4ba-1e69-8355-3e0d-081d4f657b35@embarqmail.com> References: <99c421d6-d65e-54ab-1eca-010b5b468cdc@embarqmail.com> <69832d3e-add1-f8a0-5c4e-378f1b077186@gmail.com> <713fa4ba-1e69-8355-3e0d-081d4f657b35@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <74745d17-391c-cf3d-bba9-f99da7777176@gmail.com> Just got the new Q6 from Elecraft, installed it, and have power out!!!? Now to finish the alignment and get the K2 on the air! Looks like lots of fun ahead! Thanks!! Gordon - N1MGO On 3/4/2018 4:20 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > Gordon, > > That amount of RF is about (with 800mV on the Q5 collector). > > I am close to agreeing with you about a bad Q6, but do the checks I > mentioned anyway. > > If you do find out Q6 is the culprit -- if this is a kit less than 1 > year old, contact support at elecraft and ask for a replacement. > If more than 1 year old (or you were not the original purchaser), it > is not under warranty and you will have to pay for the part - contact > the sales office to do that (make sure you have the part number > handy). They will need payment information.? The phone number is > 831-763-4211. > The minimum parts order is $5.? Get a replacement for Q10 at the same > time, just in case. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 3/4/2018 3:39 PM, Gordon LaPoint wrote: >> Don, >> ?????? I have about 220mv P-P on the base of Q6.? I'm off to check >> all the components in the base ckt of Q6, with just DC on the >> collector. This is in Tune with the Power out set to 2W. >> >> Thanks, >> Gordon - N1MGO >> >> On 3/4/2018 3:10 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: >>> Gordon, >>> >>> It is doubtful (but possible) that Q6 is bad.? Did it overheat when >>> you powered up? - if it did, you would most likely have seen a wisp >>> of smoke. >>> >>> How large is the signal at the base of Q6 when you have 800mV P-P on >>> the collector of Q5? >>> >>> The base voltage on Q6 is higher than normal, it should be around >>> 1.1 volts.? I would suggest you check all components in the base >>> circuit of Q6 first. >>> >>> 73, >>> Don W3FPR >>> age delivered to donwilh at embarqmail.com From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Fri Mar 9 14:26:56 2018 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2018 11:26:56 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Planning the next filters In-Reply-To: <1620b204d1c-c88-2867@webjas-vad132.srv.aolmail.net> References: <1620b204d1c-c88-2867@webjas-vad132.srv.aolmail.net> Message-ID: Bits is not the issue with interfaces for digital modes -- encode/decode uses the 48 kHz 16 bit stream, and K1JT says that's plenty good enough. What matters is the quality of the A/D and the analog electronics, and that's where the Signalink falls down.? Higher bit rates and depths DO matter when using an interface for a spectrum display.? N8LP has long recommended the ASUS Xonar U5 and U7 for use with his LP-Pan, although I've heard of hardware failures with the U7. 73, Jim K9YC On 3/9/2018 6:18 AM, Raymond Sills wrote: > And.... isn't it the case that the SignaLink is a 16 bit device? That Tascam US 100 is also 16 bits, but it has been replaced by a model that has 24 bit/96 KHz sampling.. indicating a high quality interface. From donwilh at embarqmail.com Fri Mar 9 14:42:50 2018 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2018 14:42:50 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KX2/3 Going to DATA mode In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <16d27e19-c344-a170-e3fd-612c5e3e1c57@embarqmail.com> Jeff, I think that is a question to be asked of the support group for the software application you are using - it is what is putting the KX2/KX3 into DATA mode. 73, Don W3FPR On 3/9/2018 10:43 AM, Jeffrey M. Swiger wrote: > Hey All, > Been just starting with PACTOR and Winlink/Airmail. > When letting the PTC-IIIUSB control the KX2 that part is Fine, > But I need the Radio to use USB and it keep going to DATA mode. > IS there a way to stop it, or HOW do I stop it from going to DATA mode? From donwilh at embarqmail.com Fri Mar 9 14:49:53 2018 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2018 14:49:53 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KEY OUT LOOP In-Reply-To: <5aa2aef7.87d70d0a.6939f.1c96@mx.google.com> References: <5aa2aef7.87d70d0a.6939f.1c96@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Shel, The "signal" at the gate of Q5 is a result of the 7R voltage going to zero. There are many places in the K3 that use that voltage rail for power during receive. Does the receiver work? If so, there are many devices working properly on that 7R voltage rail, and you will have to find out why it is not getting to the gate of Q5. Do a "FIND" in the .pdf of the schematic to see all the references to 7R and that should enable you to trace the path. All the 7R points are connected together. 73, Don W3FPR On 3/9/2018 10:57 AM, Shel Sherman wrote: > > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > I am missing the signal on the gate of Q5 when the internal keyer is activated. > Can anyone show me the path through the schematics so I can locate where the signal gets Shel WO0C From ghyoungman at gmail.com Fri Mar 9 15:04:12 2018 From: ghyoungman at gmail.com (GRANT YOUNGMAN) Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2018 15:04:12 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Planning the next filters In-Reply-To: References: <1620b204d1c-c88-2867@webjas-vad132.srv.aolmail.net> Message-ID: <2A0580B5-4FAB-4926-A15C-060B407F0465@gmail.com> I have ? or rather, had ? a U7. It?s a nice interface, worked well, save for one thing. I left it hooked up for a few hours one afternoon, and while I was off doing something else it apparently failed and tried to draw enough current that it fried a USB port and other goodies on my Mac. No clue why, but I relegated it to the ?lessons learned? pile. Had to have the MacBook Pro logic board swapped out, which is no small thing. > On Mar 9, 2018, at 2:26 PM, Jim Brown wrote: > > Bits is not the issue with interfaces for digital modes -- encode/decode uses the 48 kHz 16 bit stream, and K1JT says that's plenty good enough. What matters is the quality of the A/D and the analog electronics, and that's where the Signalink falls down. Higher bit rates and depths DO matter when using an interface for a spectrum display. N8LP has long recommended the ASUS Xonar U5 and U7 for use with his LP-Pan, although I've heard of hardware failures with the U7. > > Grant NQ5T K3 #2091, KX3 #8342 From c-hawley at illinois.edu Fri Mar 9 15:24:47 2018 From: c-hawley at illinois.edu (hawley, charles j jr) Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2018 20:24:47 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] 1.8 kHz SSB Filter In-Reply-To: References: <000c01d3b79f$c982c530$5c884f90$@kh-translation.dk> Message-ID: http://www.elecraft.com/K3/Roofing_Filters.htm Chuck KE9UW c-hawley at illinois.edu Sent from my iPad On Mar 9, 2018, at 12:54 PM, Jim Low man > wrote: Maybe I missed it, but there once was a link on the Elecraft website with filter recommendations. 73 de Jim-AD6CW On Mar 9, 2018, at 4:11 AM, Kjeld Holm > wrote: Agree And just want to tell you that I am using Filter width=1500 and Filter=750. Vy 73 de OZ1CCM -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Bill Johnson Sent: 9. marts 2018 02:36 To: Elecraft List Subject: Re: [Elecraft] 1.8 kHz SSB Filter Yes! 73, Bill K9YEQ -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net > On Behalf Of Bob McGraw K4TAX Sent: Thursday, March 8, 2018 7:22 PM To: Elecraft List > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] 1.8 kHz SSB Filter I definitely agree regarding having a 1.8 kHz filter for SSB is a positive attribute. In fact both of my radios have 1.8 kHz filters. And by reducing the DSP BW to 1.8 kHz and shifting the PBT, one would be amazed at how well a SSB signal really sounds. Certainly worth the investment in my experience. 73 Bob, K4TAX On 3/8/2018 4:38 PM, elecraft-request at mailman.qth.net wrote: Message: 1 Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2018 11:57:32 -0500 From: Craig Buck> To: Chuck Chandler> Cc:elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Planning the next filters Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Get the 1.8 if you work ssb. Experiment with shifting the pass band for maximum clarity. Youll be amazed just how narrow it can get and still be understandable. On Mar 8, 2018 11:24 AM, "Chuck Chandler"> wrote: Right now I have the stock SSB and a 400 Hz filter in both main and sub rcvrs. I would like to add some a few at a time. My first priority is to add a couple to the main receiver, since it is the biggest chore to get to. I plan on a 250 Hz CW filter, but am going back and forth between the 2.1 and 1.8 kHz filters. I know that narrowing the DSP to 1.8 gives a really difficult to understand voice signal, while the 2.1 allows in more adjacent signals. However, the roofing filters may not behave in the same manner. For example, the 1.8 could be set to turn on at 2.1 to take advantage of skirt shape. I primarily DX, and operate in some contests as well. I know SSB contests really need a narrow SSB filter. Any suggestions on the matter from those who have gone this route before? 73 de Chuck, WS1L ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to k9yeq at live.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to kh at kh-translation.dk ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to jmlowman at sbcglobal.net ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to c-hawley at illinois.edu From dlsmith at harlanonline.net Fri Mar 9 16:35:30 2018 From: dlsmith at harlanonline.net (David Smith) Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2018 16:35:30 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA 1500 shipping time question Message-ID: Looking at placing my KPA1500 order is this month. Have several friends who placed their order in August and got theirs about 3-4 weeks ago and see other patiently waiting. Anyone have any info of shipping time frame if one ordered now as they ramp up production? Thanks - David - ND4Y Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From ww3s at zoominternet.net Fri Mar 9 17:13:49 2018 From: ww3s at zoominternet.net (Jamie WW3S) Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2018 17:13:49 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] any KPA500 available Message-ID: <0393BF588C78438DAE0321116D39FD83@ww3s> with the new amp shipping, whats the going price for a KPA500? Any good clean gently used ones available.... From donwilh at embarqmail.com Fri Mar 9 17:26:16 2018 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2018 17:26:16 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA 1500 shipping time question In-Reply-To: <20180309213711.4357A149B1D5@mailman.qth.net> References: <20180309213711.4357A149B1D5@mailman.qth.net> Message-ID: David, That all depends on how fast they can ramp up to production in Watsonville, but my current guess is about 3 months. See the KPA1500 shipping status for the latest information (no, it does not have my guess listed). Eric will likely correct me if my guess is way out of line. 73, Don W3FPR On 3/9/2018 4:35 PM, David Smith wrote: > Looking at placing my KPA1500 order is this month. Have several friends who placed their order in August and got theirs about 3-4 weeks ago and see other patiently waiting. Anyone have any info of shipping time frame if one ordered now as they ramp up production? From eric at elecraft.com Fri Mar 9 17:45:10 2018 From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft) Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2018 14:45:10 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] [OT] The Ultimate List of Hobbies for Men In-Reply-To: References: <1327004029.8123480.1520201206774.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1327004029.8123480.1520201206774@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <370585f3-fb72-968f-b2d5-5b499ab4bad6@elecraft.com> We're over the OT limit for sure. :-)? Let's end the thread now in the interest of relieving others from emial inbox severe overload. Eric Moderator (hopefully not for life..) /elecraft.com/ From donwilh at embarqmail.com Fri Mar 9 17:48:35 2018 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2018 17:48:35 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] BNC connector oddity on KX3 In-Reply-To: References: <9183D943-25A4-43CD-90E2-747BF96B6219@gmail.com> <62bf98f3-8eca-b46d-f31c-30909faaf1ef@embarqmail.com> <1520609569320-0.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: Rich, Since you have traced the problem to the contact between the female BNC and the male (yes your twisting and applying pressure confirms that is the problem). It is entirely possible that if you had some old cables made with old 75 ohm BNC male connectors, that they could have enlarged the female pin causing it to become marginal when used with the 50 ohm male connectors. You may have success with a very slender tool to bend the 'fingers' of the female connector toward the center, but the best cure is to replace that connector. Before we get into another long discussion of 50 ohm and 75 ohm center pin diameters, let me say that modern BNCs use the same diameter center pin for both. That was not always true, so beware when buying older BNC jumpers at hamfest flea markets - the old ones could be old 75 ohm BNCs with the larger center pin. Those less than 10 or 15 years old are OK. It may also be that *some* imported BNC connectors do not have the proper diameter. For best results, buy only Amphenol connectors or other trusted brands. 73, Don W3FPR On 3/9/2018 11:13 AM, rich hurd WC3T wrote: > I've pretty much exhausted most of the permutations of my cables and > connectors. The only persistent behavior is that if I apply slight > pressure to the side of the BNC connector where it plugs into the jack on > the KX3, or sometimes if I twist it and then apply slight pressure just so, > I see a jump in the noise floor and instead of the internal ATU wearing > itself out and giving up with a 9:1 or 7:1 SWR, it immediately tunes to 1.0 > or 1.1. I have removed/swapped all my the antenna leads. I have four of > them, all Cables On Demand (Amphenol) manufacture. I also have a number of > BNC to banana plug jacks, and even an MFJ-1899T. If I replace the leads > without doing the twisting-and-slight-pressure thing, I lose the RF > connection; the S meter has no indications on it, and the noise floor is > nonexistent. > From donwilh at embarqmail.com Fri Mar 9 17:55:39 2018 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2018 17:55:39 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Cable for KX2 and KPXA-100 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <12763230-854b-c7e0-21e9-2ac00bf4cd47@embarqmail.com> Tim, I suspect no one knows the answer because it has not been tested. If you can find a 2 to 3 foot long TRRS plug to TRRS jack cable (extension cable), it should be easy enough to give it a try. If it works, then it works. If you have problems, be prepared to remove that extension to see if it is the problem. This is not an official Elecraft answer, I am just indicating that there is an easy way to try the extension. 73, Don W3FPR On 3/9/2018 8:20 AM, Tim N9PUZ wrote: > I have a KX2/KPXA-100 combination. I'd like to be able to physically > separate the two more than the factory supplied cables will allow. Any > problems with adding a 2 or 3 foot extension to the KX2ACBL data/control > cable that runs between the two? From rich at wc3t.us Fri Mar 9 18:04:23 2018 From: rich at wc3t.us (rich hurd WC3T) Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2018 23:04:23 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] BNC connector oddity on KX3 In-Reply-To: References: <9183D943-25A4-43CD-90E2-747BF96B6219@gmail.com> <62bf98f3-8eca-b46d-f31c-30909faaf1ef@embarqmail.com> <1520609569320-0.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: Thanks Don; I remember that we went over this earlier in the thread. Highly unlikely that I had legacy stuff as I became a ham in 2015 and acquired most of my stuff new. I am inclined to think that it was more possibly an out of spec 50 ohm connector or a manufacturing defect. I've already worked on the finger bending thing but I ageee that given my lack of success that I'd be best served by spending the $47 and just buying a new assembly and replacing it. I appreciate all the help and suggestions from all the Elecraft community. On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 17:48 Don Wilhelm wrote: > Rich, > > Since you have traced the problem to the contact between the female BNC > and the male (yes your twisting and applying pressure confirms that is > the problem). > > It is entirely possible that if you had some old cables made with old 75 > ohm BNC male connectors, that they could have enlarged the female pin > causing it to become marginal when used with the 50 ohm male connectors. > > You may have success with a very slender tool to bend the 'fingers' of > the female connector toward the center, but the best cure is to replace > that connector. > > Before we get into another long discussion of 50 ohm and 75 ohm center > pin diameters, let me say that modern BNCs use the same diameter center > pin for both. > That was not always true, so beware when buying older BNC jumpers at > hamfest flea markets - the old ones could be old 75 ohm BNCs with the > larger center pin. Those less than 10 or 15 years old are OK. > It may also be that *some* imported BNC connectors do not have the > proper diameter. For best results, buy only Amphenol connectors or > other trusted brands. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 3/9/2018 11:13 AM, rich hurd WC3T wrote: > > I've pretty much exhausted most of the permutations of my cables and > > connectors. The only persistent behavior is that if I apply slight > > pressure to the side of the BNC connector where it plugs into the jack on > > the KX3, or sometimes if I twist it and then apply slight pressure just > so, > > I see a jump in the noise floor and instead of the internal ATU wearing > > itself out and giving up with a 9:1 or 7:1 SWR, it immediately tunes to > 1.0 > > or 1.1. I have removed/swapped all my the antenna leads. I have four > of > > them, all Cables On Demand (Amphenol) manufacture. I also have a number > of > > BNC to banana plug jacks, and even an MFJ-1899T. If I replace the leads > > without doing the twisting-and-slight-pressure thing, I lose the RF > > connection; the S meter has no indications on it, and the noise floor is > > nonexistent. > > > -- 72, Rich Hurd / WC3T / DMR: 3142737 PA Army MARS, Northampton County RACES, EPA-ARRL Public Information Officer for Scouting Latitude: 40.761621 Longitude: -75.288988 (40?45.68' N 75?17.33' W) Grid: *FN20is* From frantz at pwpconsult.com Fri Mar 9 18:58:34 2018 From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz) Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2018 15:58:34 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Planning the next filters In-Reply-To: <784e42f5-4704-6742-cc04-68b9c11b1e37@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: Since SignaLinks seem to be a continuing topic, one thing I noticed with mine is that the manufacturer seems to have been upgrading the design. When I first heard (probably from Jim) that there were problems with the SignaLink, I found a web site with directions for fixing some of them. So I warmed up my soldering iron and opened my SignaLink. When I looked carefully, every single one of the issues on the web site had been addressed in my unit. I got a Tascam 24 bit device, which I used for several years, but it wouldn't work on my Linux BeagleBone, because of the lack of drivers. It worked well on my Mac. Now I'm using the KIO3B upgrade to my K3 and am quite happy with it. The SignaLink has moved to my portable KX3 station, where I'm looking for a smaller, lighter solution. 73 Bill AE6JV On 3/8/18 at 10:40 PM, jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) wrote: >On 3/8/2018 10:18 PM, Bill Frantz wrote: >>This problem occurred with a SignaLink. > >That's not a very good interface. It helps to have an clip >light or other digital level indicator on the interface for the >received signal. My Tascam US100 has a green signal presence >light and a red one for clip, which makes it easy to stay out >of trouble. > >73, Jim K9YC ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz | If the site is supported by | Periwinkle (408)356-8506 | ads, you are the product. | 16345 Englewood Ave www.pwpconsult.com | | Los Gatos, CA 95032 From k9yeq at live.com Fri Mar 9 20:40:35 2018 From: k9yeq at live.com (Bill Johnson) Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2018 01:40:35 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] any KPA500 available In-Reply-To: <0393BF588C78438DAE0321116D39FD83@ww3s> References: <0393BF588C78438DAE0321116D39FD83@ww3s> Message-ID: The price difference and gain make the KPA500 still a great amp so good luck finding a deal! The KPA1500 is for us folks who need just little more when this sunspot cycle sucks to make communications and have a lightweight amp that can be transported. The 1500 fits lots of needs with a tuner included. OFS, I want one. 73, Bill K9YEQ -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of Jamie WW3S Sent: Friday, March 9, 2018 4:14 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] any KPA500 available with the new amp shipping, whats the going price for a KPA500? Any good clean gently used ones available.... ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to k9yeq at live.com From gdanner12 at gmail.com Sat Mar 10 08:26:11 2018 From: gdanner12 at gmail.com (George Danner) Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2018 08:26:11 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Cable for KX2 and KPXA-100 In-Reply-To: <12763230-854b-c7e0-21e9-2ac00bf4cd47@embarqmail.com> References: <12763230-854b-c7e0-21e9-2ac00bf4cd47@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: Tim, I made an adaptor to use my KX3 KXPA portable when I removed it from my truck. I used a headset with foot pedal PTT (or more descriptively - "stomp to talk"). Obviously I did not remove the cabling that was in the truck going to a tool box in the bed. My home made cables are about 5' including a home made adaptor for a cat 6 jumper. Two years ago, I used this configuration for field day interfaced to a computer as well - did not use a soundcard. The KX3 works fine in this configuration - not a KX2 - suspect they are similar to interface. 73 George AI4VZ -----Original Message----- From: Don Wilhelm Sent: Friday, March 9, 2018 5:55 PM To: Tim N9PUZ ; Elecraft Reflector Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Cable for KX2 and KPXA-100 Tim, I suspect no one knows the answer because it has not been tested. If you can find a 2 to 3 foot long TRRS plug to TRRS jack cable (extension cable), it should be easy enough to give it a try. If it works, then it works. If you have problems, be prepared to remove that extension to see if it is the problem. This is not an official Elecraft answer, I am just indicating that there is an easy way to try the extension. 73, Don W3FPR On 3/9/2018 8:20 AM, Tim N9PUZ wrote: > I have a KX2/KPXA-100 combination. I'd like to be able to physically > separate the two more than the factory supplied cables will allow. Any > problems with adding a 2 or 3 foot extension to the KX2ACBL data/control > cable that runs between the two? ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to gdanner12 at gmail.com From paul.wilton at tesco.net Sat Mar 10 11:28:31 2018 From: paul.wilton at tesco.net (Paul Wilton) Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2018 16:28:31 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Wanted - EC2 enclosure Message-ID: <2D7C88E3-6ED0-49A3-8831-BC0B03A9B4D5@tesco.net> Does anyone have an EC2 enclosure surplus to requirements that they would be willing to sell? The EC2 is now discontinued and I?m looking for one to mount a KPA100 into. Being a UK ham then a European source is preferable from a shipping perspective but offers from further away appreciated. It doesn?t need to be a virgin case - depending on where they are, a few existing holes could be acceptable. Please reply off list if possible. 73 Paul M1CNK _________________________ Paul Wilton paul.wilton at tesco.net From g4gnx at g4gnx.com Sat Mar 10 13:09:02 2018 From: g4gnx at g4gnx.com (G4GNX) Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2018 18:09:02 -0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Wanted - EC2 enclosure In-Reply-To: <2D7C88E3-6ED0-49A3-8831-BC0B03A9B4D5@tesco.net> References: <2D7C88E3-6ED0-49A3-8831-BC0B03A9B4D5@tesco.net> Message-ID: Why not have a case made. I'm having one made for a 2M linear, so that it matches the K-Line. I can send you a name and phone number of a facility in Hove, if it helps. 73, Alan. G4GNX -----Original Message----- From: Paul Wilton Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2018 4:28 PM To: Elecraft Discussion List Subject: [Elecraft] Wanted - EC2 enclosure Does anyone have an EC2 enclosure surplus to requirements that they would be willing to sell? The EC2 is now discontinued and I?m looking for one to mount a KPA100 into. Being a UK ham then a European source is preferable from a shipping perspective but offers from further away appreciated. It doesn?t need to be a virgin case - depending on where they are, a few existing holes could be acceptable. Please reply off list if possible. 73 Paul M1CNK From smbertuzzo at bell.net Sat Mar 10 13:58:07 2018 From: smbertuzzo at bell.net (Serge Bertuzzo) Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2018 13:58:07 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Utility COM Port issue Message-ID: <1336480751.123586.1520708287407.JavaMail.open-xchange@mtlgui03> From eric.csuf at gmail.com Sat Mar 10 14:20:22 2018 From: eric.csuf at gmail.com (EricJ) Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2018 11:20:22 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Wanted - EC2 enclosure In-Reply-To: <2D7C88E3-6ED0-49A3-8831-BC0B03A9B4D5@tesco.net> References: <2D7C88E3-6ED0-49A3-8831-BC0B03A9B4D5@tesco.net> Message-ID: <2a4dadb0-1b89-e764-fb33-b934e3a435e2@gmail.com> They aren't difficult to build. I made a couple with an inexpensive 8" shear/brake and a drill press. You can see some of the details in this google album. https://photos.app.goo.gl/kIbG8fpYGRHEUyzS2 If you don't have the equipment, they shouldn't be very expensive to have made as Alan suggested. I made one change. Instead of a lot of fiddly (but very clever) little blocks to cut, drill and tap, I make them as four long rails of 1/4" square stock. That resulted in tradeoffs that made it only marginally easier than making all the blocks. For one, all the holes had to be that much more accurately placed on the rails. Eric KE6US On 3/10/2018 8:28 AM, Paul Wilton wrote: > Does anyone have an EC2 enclosure surplus to requirements that they would be willing to sell? The EC2 is now discontinued and I?m looking for one to mount a KPA100 into. > From challinan at gmail.com Sat Mar 10 16:26:44 2018 From: challinan at gmail.com (Chris Hallinan) Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2018 16:26:44 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] New Sub RX Message-ID: I just got my K3 back from Watsonville where I had the Sub RX, KIO3B and other mods installed. First ever QSO with my new KRX3A: TN5R on 20m CW. Beat the pileup while listening to both sides. TOTALLY AWESOME! Didn't realize how powerful a tool it is having that 2nd RX. I'm a true believer now ;) Time to plan a couple receiving antennas! 73 de K1AY Chris -- Life is like Linux - it never stands still. From john.l.woodard at gmail.com Sat Mar 10 16:45:24 2018 From: john.l.woodard at gmail.com (John Woodard) Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2018 16:45:24 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 Utility Problem (Mac) Message-ID: I'm a proud new owner of a KAT500 and KPA500 and trying to get them set up. I am following the 5 page Set Up and Configuration guide from Elecraft, and after getting the cables connected, I tried running the KAT500 Utility. Unfortunately, the program seems to hang, as I see a window that says Initializing..., but nothing further happens. I have to Force Quit the program to move along. I've tried relocating the USB connector to different ports, but still no joy. The computer does seem to be able to talk to the KAT500 if I use Tom Lindner's DL2RUM KAT500UI software. So, I'm guessing there is something with the KAT500 Utility that is not working on my computer. My computer is a brand new iMac 27" 2017 running High Sierra macOS 10.13.3. I'll be grateful for any tips or suggestions. 73 de John, WK8A From n6kr at elecraft.com Sat Mar 10 17:02:07 2018 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2018 14:02:07 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] New Sub RX In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Nice work, Chris. Which band? Wayne N6KR ---- http://www.elecraft.com > On Mar 10, 2018, at 1:26 PM, Chris Hallinan wrote: > I just got my K3 back from Watsonville where I had the Sub RX, KIO3B and > other mods installed. > > First ever QSO with my new KRX3A: TN5R on 20m CW. Beat the pileup while > listening to both sides. > > TOTALLY AWESOME! > > Didn't realize how powerful a tool it is having that 2nd RX. I'm a true > believer now ;) > Time to plan a couple receiving antennas! > > 73 de K1AY > Chris > > -- > Life is like Linux - it never stands still. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n6kr at elecraft.com From k9yeq at live.com Sat Mar 10 17:46:04 2018 From: k9yeq at live.com (Bill Johnson) Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2018 22:46:04 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] New Sub RX In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Chris, the second receiver sure makes a difference when using diversity. I use antennas well separated, one vertical and one loop. Amazing how the band condx can change. Nice to have the reception be instantaneous with my stereo speakers. 73, Bill K9YEQ -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of Chris Hallinan Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2018 3:27 PM To: Subject: [Elecraft] New Sub RX I just got my K3 back from Watsonville where I had the Sub RX, KIO3B and other mods installed. First ever QSO with my new KRX3A: TN5R on 20m CW. Beat the pileup while listening to both sides. TOTALLY AWESOME! Didn't realize how powerful a tool it is having that 2nd RX. I'm a true believer now ;) Time to plan a couple receiving antennas! 73 de K1AY Chris -- Life is like Linux - it never stands still. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to k9yeq at live.com From rjlawn at gmail.com Sat Mar 10 18:00:05 2018 From: rjlawn at gmail.com (Richard Lawn) Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2018 18:00:05 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 adds attenuation in Operate Message-ID: For some unknown reason when I switch the KPA500 to Operate the receiver in the K3 acts like I've activated attenuation. I've obviously made some change in a menu somewhere but I can't sort it out. SWR continues to read fine and power output is also fine. Any suggestions on what might be wrong? Rick, W2JAZ From ar at dseven.org Sat Mar 10 18:31:04 2018 From: ar at dseven.org (iain macdonnell - N6ML) Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2018 15:31:04 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 adds attenuation in Operate In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sat, Mar 10, 2018 at 3:00 PM, Richard Lawn wrote: > For some unknown reason when I switch the KPA500 to Operate the receiver in > the K3 acts like I've activated attenuation. I've obviously made some > change in a menu somewhere but I can't sort it out. > > SWR continues to read fine and power output is also fine. > Any suggestions on what might be wrong? Happened to mine years ago. T/R PIN diode failure was suspected. A replacement RF module fixed it. GL/73, ~iain / N6ML From kl7uw at acsalaska.net Sat Mar 10 18:36:36 2018 From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole) Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2018 14:36:36 -0900 Subject: [Elecraft] any KPA500 available Message-ID: <201803102337.w2ANbEoG026788@mail47c28.carrierzone.com> It would seem reasonable to guess many new owners of KPA1500 are upgrading from a KPA500. I'll make a wild guess at least 50%, so if Elecraft sells 5,000 KPA1500 during the beginning of sales then might there be 2500 used KPA500 that might be available on the used market? I suppose some will hold onto their KPA500 (they undoubtedly are multi-millionaires), but I would guess a fair number will be sold to offset the cost of the new amp. So the question was what the price is likely to be for used KPA500? 90% new price? 80%? 75%? ??? Actually, I'm being a "fly on the wall" on this topic since I am not in the market. I just bought a 1200w 2m sspa and considering a new 600w 1296 sspa. I'm quite satisfied running 100w with my KXPA100. 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com Dubus-NA Business mail: dubususa at gmail.com From rjlawn at gmail.com Sat Mar 10 18:42:17 2018 From: rjlawn at gmail.com (Richard Lawn) Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2018 18:42:17 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 adds attenuation in Operate In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Ignore my message as I've found the problem. Had the PTT line from AmpKeyer to K3 plugged into the wrong jack! I had moved the radio to a friends recently and I apparently didn't put things back the way I had them. 73 Rick, W2JAZ On Sat, Mar 10, 2018 at 6:31 PM, iain macdonnell - N6ML wrote: > On Sat, Mar 10, 2018 at 3:00 PM, Richard Lawn wrote: > > For some unknown reason when I switch the KPA500 to Operate the receiver > in > > the K3 acts like I've activated attenuation. I've obviously made some > > change in a menu somewhere but I can't sort it out. > > > > SWR continues to read fine and power output is also fine. > > Any suggestions on what might be wrong? > > Happened to mine years ago. T/R PIN diode failure was suspected. A > replacement RF module fixed it. > > GL/73, > > ~iain / N6ML > From smbertuzzo at bell.net Sat Mar 10 18:59:48 2018 From: smbertuzzo at bell.net (Serge Bertuzzo) Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2018 18:59:48 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Elecraft] Reposting - K3 Utility COM Port Issue Message-ID: <332808924.133713.1520726388127.JavaMail.open-xchange@mtlgui03> Hello to the group.? I am having an issue trying to get my K3 Utility program (Version 1.16.7.25) to connect to my K3s locally. I am using a remote rig system and am attempting to program the K-Pod macros at the control site. The Remote rig system creates three COM ports. I have COM 6 as my CAT port. If I turn the K3/0 mini on and then launch my N1MM+ software, the software connects to the K3s on COM 6 and I have CAT control of the radio.? When I then launch the K3 Utility program and select COM 6 even before attempting to press the Test Communciations button,? the top banner message I see is :? "Elecraft K3 Utility Revision 1.16.7.25 on COM 6 closed". I am almost certain that I may have hit the Close Port button below the Test Communications button at some point and then encountered this problem but not sure. I have attempted to reset the Remote rig units, the K3s/0 mini as well as my computer with no change. Not quite sure what to try next.? Any assistance would be appreciated. Please let me know if any additional information is required.? Thank you in advance.? Serge VA3SB From c-hawley at illinois.edu Sat Mar 10 19:26:57 2018 From: c-hawley at illinois.edu (hawley, charles j jr) Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2018 00:26:57 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] any KPA500 available In-Reply-To: <201803102337.w2ANbEoG026788@mail47c28.carrierzone.com> References: <201803102337.w2ANbEoG026788@mail47c28.carrierzone.com> Message-ID: <4F780718-95DE-4949-9B9A-CA5719AA20F7@illinois.edu> I figure 75% is a fair discount for excellent used. Chuck Jack Sent from my iPhone, cjack > On Mar 10, 2018, at 5:37 PM, Edward R Cole wrote: > > It would seem reasonable to guess many new owners of KPA1500 are upgrading from a KPA500. I'll make a wild guess at least 50%, so if Elecraft sells 5,000 KPA1500 during the beginning of sales then might there be 2500 used KPA500 that might be available on the used market? I suppose some will hold onto their KPA500 (they undoubtedly are multi-millionaires), but I would guess a fair number will be sold to offset the cost of the new amp. > > So the question was what the price is likely to be for used KPA500? 90% new price? 80%? 75%? ??? > > Actually, I'm being a "fly on the wall" on this topic since I am not in the market. I just bought a 1200w 2m sspa and considering a new 600w 1296 sspa. I'm quite satisfied running 100w with my KXPA100. > > 73, Ed - KL7UW > http://www.kl7uw.com > Dubus-NA Business mail: > dubususa at gmail.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to c-hawley at illinois.edu From smbertuzzo at bell.net Sat Mar 10 20:52:04 2018 From: smbertuzzo at bell.net (Serge Bertuzzo) Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2018 20:52:04 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Elecraft] Reposting - K3 Utility COM Port Issue In-Reply-To: <860650393.14988846.1520726874816@mail.yahoo.com> References: <332808924.133713.1520726388127.JavaMail.open-xchange@mtlgui03> <860650393.14988846.1520726874816@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <491631295.136619.1520733124518.JavaMail.open-xchange@mtlgui03> From john.l.woodard at gmail.com Sat Mar 10 22:00:45 2018 From: john.l.woodard at gmail.com (John Woodard) Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2018 22:00:45 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 Utility Problem (Mac) In-Reply-To: <575355702.14964765.1520722578977@mail.yahoo.com> References: <575355702.14964765.1520722578977@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi David, Thank you so much for your suggestion, which worked. I think it kept looking for a USB-Serial interface that it wasn't finding. Strange that it got stuck looking, but that DL2RUM's KAT500ui worked fine. Anyway, very grateful for your recommendation! 73 de John, WK8A On Sat, Mar 10, 2018 at 5:56 PM, David Fleming wrote: > Hi John, > > It sounds like the preferences file might be corrupted. Try deleting (or > renaming) the preferences file. This file is located in the > /Users/your_user_name/Library/Preferences folder on the Mac. The Library > folder is hidden. A quick way to get there is to click the "Go" menu in > Finder and press the "option" key. The Library folder will then appear in > the Go menu. The KAT500 Utility preferences file is named > "KAT500UtilPrefs". After deleting or renaming the file, restart the KAT500 > Utility and hopefully it will start normally. Go to the Port tab and be > sure to select the correct serial port connected to the KAT500. If this > doesn't work, we'll have to dig deeper. > > Regards, > > David, W4SMT > > > On Saturday, March 10, 2018, 4:46:24 PM EST, John Woodard < > john.l.woodard at gmail.com> wrote: > > > I'm a proud new owner of a KAT500 and KPA500 and trying to get them set up. > I am following the 5 page Set Up and Configuration guide from Elecraft, and > after getting the cables connected, I tried running the KAT500 Utility. > Unfortunately, the program seems to hang, as I see a window that says > Initializing..., but nothing further happens. I have to Force Quit the > program to move along. > > I've tried relocating the USB connector to different ports, but still no > joy. The computer does seem to be able to talk to the KAT500 if I use Tom > Lindner's DL2RUM KAT500UI software. So, I'm guessing there is something > with the KAT500 Utility that is not working on my computer. > > My computer is a brand new iMac 27" 2017 running High Sierra macOS 10.13.3. > I'll be grateful for any tips or suggestions. > > 73 de John, WK8A > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dflem at yahoo.com > From john.l.woodard at gmail.com Sat Mar 10 22:04:29 2018 From: john.l.woodard at gmail.com (John Woodard) Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2018 22:04:29 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 Utility Problem (Mac) In-Reply-To: <1621229bea8-c8b-c51b@webjas-vaa237.srv.aolmail.net> References: <1621229bea8-c8b-c51b@webjas-vaa237.srv.aolmail.net> Message-ID: Hi Ray, Thanks for your suggestions! I have been lucky for 9 years with my 2009 iMac, but this year was the year to upgrade. It does look like the KAT500 Utility could use a bit of updating, and it is very weird that it got stuck looking for a USB-serial driver and couldn't be restarted or interrupted. Hopefully, Elecraft might take a look at this issue, in case it happens again. Many thanks again for your help! 73 de John, WK8A On Sat, Mar 10, 2018 at 6:05 PM, Raymond Sills wrote: > Hi John: > > Sometimes, "brand new" comes with issues. A professional audio group to > which I belong, has had many posts about various software items that would > no longer work, or work as expected when some people installed High Sierra. > > Me? I got shafted when my old iMac cratered and I bought a new one with > Sierra installed. Turns out, I was not able to restore my up-to-date Time > Machine backup. If I had known that ahead of time, I would have tried > having the old machine repaired... (it was a bad drive). But at the time, > I figured that the costs of repairs could be better put into a new machine. > I also discovered that new machines no longer have a superdrive. So, I > had to buy a USB external drive. > > Check with Elecraft support, and maybe they will update their Mac version > of the Utility to be HS compatible. I suspect that is the issue for you. > Anyway, good luck. > > 73 de Ray > K2ULR > KX3 #211 > (yeah, I'm a QRP guy) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: John Woodard > To: elecraft > Sent: Sat, Mar 10, 2018 4:46 pm > Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 Utility Problem (Mac) > > I'm a proud new owner of a KAT500 and KPA500 and trying to get them set up. > I am following the 5 page Set Up and Configuration guide from Elecraft, and > after getting the cables connected, I tried running the KAT500 Utility. > Unfortunately, the program seems to hang, as I see a window that says > Initializing..., but nothing further happens. I have to Force Quit the > program to move along. > > I've tried relocating the USB connector to different ports, but still no > joy. The computer does seem to be able to talk to the KAT500 if I use Tom > Lindner's DL2RUM KAT500UI software. So, I'm guessing there is something > with the KAT500 Utility that is not working on my computer. > > My computer is a brand new iMac 27" 2017 running High Sierra macOS 10.13.3. > I'll be grateful for any tips or suggestions. > > 73 de John, WK8A > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to raysills3 at verizon.net > From john.l.woodard at gmail.com Sat Mar 10 22:10:28 2018 From: john.l.woodard at gmail.com (John Woodard) Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2018 22:10:28 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 Utility Problem (Mac) In-Reply-To: <8F9E8FF2-5CB3-4711-A2AD-299E1AF9F9E4@me.com> References: <8F9E8FF2-5CB3-4711-A2AD-299E1AF9F9E4@me.com> Message-ID: Hi Jack, I did get it working with David, W4SMT's suggestions. It is interesting that you got the ?initializing? pane with a dialog behind it indicating that a setting is incorrect. Mine just showed the "initializing" pane, but there was no other way to get rid of it. I wonder if it is an incompatibility with High Sierra or some other issue. I shouldn't have to Force Quit to get out of the program. Hopefully Elecraft might take a look at the programming and compatibility with Mac High Sierra. I'm happy to say I'm up and running with the KAT500, and tomorrow I'll throw the big switch to get the KPA500 running. Thanks so much for checking in! 73 de John, WK8A On Sat, Mar 10, 2018 at 9:06 PM, Jack Brindle wrote: > John; > > Did you get going? When I launch it on my MacBook Pro (macOS 10.13.3) I > also get the ?initializing? pane with a dialog behind it indicating that a > setting is incorrect. Clicking ?OK? on that dialog clears it and also > removes the ?initializing? pane. So what I am asking is whether you might > have a similar dialog behind that pane. Clearing it should resolve the > issue. > > Let m know if you continue to have problems and we will see how we can > help. > > Jack, W6FB > Elecraft Engineering > > > > On Mar 10, 2018, at 1:45 PM, John Woodard > wrote: > > > > I'm a proud new owner of a KAT500 and KPA500 and trying to get them set > up. > > I am following the 5 page Set Up and Configuration guide from Elecraft, > and > > after getting the cables connected, I tried running the KAT500 Utility. > > Unfortunately, the program seems to hang, as I see a window that says > > Initializing..., but nothing further happens. I have to Force Quit the > > program to move along. > > > > I've tried relocating the USB connector to different ports, but still no > > joy. The computer does seem to be able to talk to the KAT500 if I use Tom > > Lindner's DL2RUM KAT500UI software. So, I'm guessing there is something > > with the KAT500 Utility that is not working on my computer. > > > > My computer is a brand new iMac 27" 2017 running High Sierra macOS > 10.13.3. > > I'll be grateful for any tips or suggestions. > > > > 73 de John, WK8A > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to jackbrindle at me.com > > From jackbrindle at me.com Sat Mar 10 22:16:08 2018 From: jackbrindle at me.com (Jack Brindle) Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2018 19:16:08 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 Utility Problem (Mac) In-Reply-To: References: <8F9E8FF2-5CB3-4711-A2AD-299E1AF9F9E4@me.com> Message-ID: <56FBAE75-D4B2-46E4-86BF-4B327DD452BB@me.com> This wasn?t a High Sierra issue, but rather the actual preferences file on your disk that became corrupt. This can happen for several reasons, most likely a program crash while the preferences file was being written. Our testing shows no issues so far with the programs and High Sierra, but as W4SMT will attest, we are continuously testing to make sure all our utilities work just fine. Enjoy your KPA500, and if you have any questions, just ask! Jack, W6FB > On Mar 10, 2018, at 7:10 PM, John Woodard wrote: > > Hi Jack, > I did get it working with David, W4SMT's suggestions. It is interesting that you got the ?initializing? pane with a dialog behind it indicating that a setting is incorrect. Mine just showed the "initializing" pane, but there was no other way to get rid of it. I wonder if it is an incompatibility with High Sierra or some other issue. I shouldn't have to Force Quit to get out of the program. Hopefully Elecraft might take a look at the programming and compatibility with Mac High Sierra. I'm happy to say I'm up and running with the KAT500, and tomorrow I'll throw the big switch to get the KPA500 running. Thanks so much for checking in! > > 73 de John, WK8A > > On Sat, Mar 10, 2018 at 9:06 PM, Jack Brindle > wrote: > John; > > Did you get going? When I launch it on my MacBook Pro (macOS 10.13.3) I also get the ?initializing? pane with a dialog behind it indicating that a setting is incorrect. Clicking ?OK? on that dialog clears it and also removes the ?initializing? pane. So what I am asking is whether you might have a similar dialog behind that pane. Clearing it should resolve the issue. > > Let m know if you continue to have problems and we will see how we can help. > > Jack, W6FB > Elecraft Engineering > > > > On Mar 10, 2018, at 1:45 PM, John Woodard > wrote: > > > > I'm a proud new owner of a KAT500 and KPA500 and trying to get them set up. > > I am following the 5 page Set Up and Configuration guide from Elecraft, and > > after getting the cables connected, I tried running the KAT500 Utility. > > Unfortunately, the program seems to hang, as I see a window that says > > Initializing..., but nothing further happens. I have to Force Quit the > > program to move along. > > > > I've tried relocating the USB connector to different ports, but still no > > joy. The computer does seem to be able to talk to the KAT500 if I use Tom > > Lindner's DL2RUM KAT500UI software. So, I'm guessing there is something > > with the KAT500 Utility that is not working on my computer. > > > > My computer is a brand new iMac 27" 2017 running High Sierra macOS 10.13.3. > > I'll be grateful for any tips or suggestions. > > > > 73 de John, WK8A > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to jackbrindle at me.com > > From john.l.woodard at gmail.com Sat Mar 10 22:20:06 2018 From: john.l.woodard at gmail.com (John Woodard) Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2018 22:20:06 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 Utility Problem (Mac) In-Reply-To: <56FBAE75-D4B2-46E4-86BF-4B327DD452BB@me.com> References: <8F9E8FF2-5CB3-4711-A2AD-299E1AF9F9E4@me.com> <56FBAE75-D4B2-46E4-86BF-4B327DD452BB@me.com> Message-ID: Thanks so much, Jack! Very much appreciated! 73 de John, WK8A On Sat, Mar 10, 2018 at 10:16 PM, Jack Brindle wrote: > This wasn?t a High Sierra issue, but rather the actual preferences file on > your disk that became corrupt. This can happen for several reasons, most > likely a program crash while the preferences file was being written. Our > testing shows no issues so far with the programs and High Sierra, but as > W4SMT will attest, we are continuously testing to make sure all our > utilities work just fine. > > Enjoy your KPA500, and if you have any questions, just ask! > > Jack, W6FB > > > On Mar 10, 2018, at 7:10 PM, John Woodard > wrote: > > Hi Jack, > I did get it working with David, W4SMT's suggestions. It is interesting > that you got the ?initializing? pane with a dialog behind it indicating > that a setting is incorrect. Mine just showed the "initializing" pane, > but there was no other way to get rid of it. I wonder if it is an > incompatibility with High Sierra or some other issue. I shouldn't have to > Force Quit to get out of the program. Hopefully Elecraft might take a look > at the programming and compatibility with Mac High Sierra. I'm happy to say > I'm up and running with the KAT500, and tomorrow I'll throw the big switch > to get the KPA500 running. Thanks so much for checking in! > > 73 de John, WK8A > > On Sat, Mar 10, 2018 at 9:06 PM, Jack Brindle wrote: > >> John; >> >> Did you get going? When I launch it on my MacBook Pro (macOS 10.13.3) I >> also get the ?initializing? pane with a dialog behind it indicating that a >> setting is incorrect. Clicking ?OK? on that dialog clears it and also >> removes the ?initializing? pane. So what I am asking is whether you might >> have a similar dialog behind that pane. Clearing it should resolve the >> issue. >> >> Let m know if you continue to have problems and we will see how we can >> help. >> >> Jack, W6FB >> Elecraft Engineering >> >> >> > On Mar 10, 2018, at 1:45 PM, John Woodard >> wrote: >> > >> > I'm a proud new owner of a KAT500 and KPA500 and trying to get them set >> up. >> > I am following the 5 page Set Up and Configuration guide from Elecraft, >> and >> > after getting the cables connected, I tried running the KAT500 Utility. >> > Unfortunately, the program seems to hang, as I see a window that says >> > Initializing..., but nothing further happens. I have to Force Quit the >> > program to move along. >> > >> > I've tried relocating the USB connector to different ports, but still no >> > joy. The computer does seem to be able to talk to the KAT500 if I use >> Tom >> > Lindner's DL2RUM KAT500UI software. So, I'm guessing there is something >> > with the KAT500 Utility that is not working on my computer. >> > >> > My computer is a brand new iMac 27" 2017 running High Sierra macOS >> 10.13.3. >> > I'll be grateful for any tips or suggestions. >> > >> > 73 de John, WK8A >> > ______________________________________________________________ >> > Elecraft mailing list >> > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> > >> > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> > Message delivered to jackbrindle at me.com >> >> > > From frantz at pwpconsult.com Sat Mar 10 22:53:48 2018 From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz) Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2018 19:53:48 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] New Sub RX In-Reply-To: Message-ID: But now I need three receivers. Two for diversity and one to scan the pileup. 73 Bill AE6JV On 3/10/18 at 2:46 PM, k9yeq at live.com (Bill Johnson) wrote: > Chris, the second receiver sure makes a difference when using diversity. I use antennas well > separated, one vertical and one loop. Amazing how the band condx can change. Nice to have the > reception be instantaneous with my stereo speakers. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz | Truth and love must prevail | Periwinkle (408)356-8506 | over lies and hate. | 16345 Englewood Ave www.pwpconsult.com | - Vaclav Havel | Los Gatos, CA 95032 From ebasilier at cox.net Sat Mar 10 23:00:26 2018 From: ebasilier at cox.net (Erik Basilier) Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2018 21:00:26 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] any KPA500 available In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <043001d3b8ed$7d345d20$779d1760$@cox.net> I bought my KPA500+KAT500 combo (great used condition, but power calibration was way off) for $2100 shipped on 3/14/2017. I have seen several sell on QRZ since then. If you keep watching there, you will find some. I just used their "search" function to see some recent deals. One KPA500 went for $1750 on 2/5/2018. I have seen sellers asking $1900 not long ago; don't know it they got that much. My impression is that the price is neither going up nor down. Compared to the KPA1500 the price and capability differences are very great, and the two markets are mostly separate. Many people probably go from 1.5kW HF tube amp's to the KPA1500. Someone interested in 6m legal limit gets quite a deal compared to spending $$$ on a 6m-only legal limit amp. 73, Erik K7TV -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jamie WW3S Sent: Friday, March 09, 2018 3:14 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] any KPA500 available with the new amp shipping, whats the going price for a KPA500? Any good clean gently used ones available.... ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ebasilier at cox.net From donwilh at embarqmail.com Sat Mar 10 23:20:00 2018 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2018 23:20:00 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Planning the next filters In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3bb932ff-bfcb-26c7-7b6e-bde9d50fb65b@embarqmail.com> There seems to be an ongoing concern about audio levels for digital modes. This is not confined to the SignaLink, but applies to any and all soundcards used for digital modes. There are at least two audio level controls - the Line In gain, and the soundcard output level (set in the computer for most soundcards, but with the front panel knob on the SignaLink). There is also a 3rd control in the software application often marked "POWER". Those should all initially be set midrange, and then changed a bit from there to produce 4 bars on the ALC meter with the 5th bar flashing. That should keep you out of the clipping level. If any controls are at a very high or low range, that is when you will run into clipping problems or insufficient audio drive. For more detail and explanation of 'why', see the article on my website www.w3fpr.com. Scroll down to the last article in the left column and click on the link. Data mode operation does not require an exotic soundcard, most any will work. The important parameter for soundcard data modes is the noise floor available for the soundcard. Soundcards for Panadapter use need to have a sampling rate equal to (or exceeding) the bandwidth to be displayed, but that is not an important parameter for digital modes. In other words, a 16 bit 32k (or greater) soundcard will work well for data modes. The more expensive soundcards will likely have a lower noise level, but that is not guaranteed. 73, Don W3FPR On 3/9/2018 6:58 PM, Bill Frantz wrote: > Since SignaLinks seem to be a continuing topic, one thing I noticed with > mine is that the manufacturer seems to have been upgrading the design. > When I first heard (probably from Jim) that there were problems with the > SignaLink, I found a web site with directions for fixing some of them. > So I warmed up my soldering iron and opened my SignaLink. When I looked > carefully, every single one of the issues on the web site had been > addressed in my unit. > > I got a Tascam 24 bit device, which I used for several years, but it > wouldn't work on my Linux BeagleBone, because of the lack of drivers. It > worked well on my Mac. Now I'm using the KIO3B upgrade to my K3 and am > quite happy with it. The SignaLink has moved to my portable KX3 station, > where I'm looking for a smaller, lighter solution. > From kevinr at coho.net Sat Mar 10 23:48:59 2018 From: kevinr at coho.net (kevinr) Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2018 20:48:59 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Announcement Message-ID: <2b30494a-1ca1-968e-9c5a-a0aecb3a53da@coho.net> Good Evening, ? The snow has finally stopped falling.? Hopefully that will be the last I see of it 'til December.? The daffodils are pushing through the crusty snow; they are ready.? After talking to a neighbor I found out why there has been so much logging in our area.? Saw log prices have jumped to $1100 per thousand board feet.? How much are those new Elecraft amps going for? :) Please join us tomorrow on: 14050 kHz at 2300z Sunday (3 PM PST Sunday) ?7045 kHz at 0100z Monday (5 PM PST Sunday) 73, Kevin. KD5ONS _ From john at kn5l.net Sun Mar 11 07:48:39 2018 From: john at kn5l.net (John Oppenheimer) Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2018 06:48:39 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KXPA100 DC current at 20 50 watts Message-ID: <032820db-9897-ffab-e6b3-7d4ee566db3c@kn5l.net> Hi KXPA100 users, Can you report the DC input current at 20 and 50 output watts? Actual measurements will be most helpful. John KN5L From w5jv at hotmail.com Sun Mar 11 10:51:42 2018 From: w5jv at hotmail.com (Doug Hensley) Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2018 14:51:42 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: CW Paddle A/B switch Message-ID: I have two radios and one cw paddle. I'm looking for a small inline A/B switch as would be used on stereo headphone sets to switch between sources. The whole thing would be a "Y" cable with two 1/8" male stereo plugs on one end and a single female jack on the other. Switching would choose which male plug is active. Yes I can build one but before I reinvent the wheel, I thought someone might have a source. I'm tired of plugging and unplugging and I don't want or have the extra space for another paddle. Has anyone found such a switch? Reply by private email please as this is off topic. Thanks, Doug W5JV From FlatHat at comcast.net Sun Mar 11 10:54:31 2018 From: FlatHat at comcast.net (Richard) Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2018 10:54:31 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 Band Following Message-ID: K3S - KPA500 - KAT500 A friend of mine who upgrades and repairs Elecraft stuff made me the two ?15-pin? cables for band following. They work perfectly on his own K3S - KPA500 - KAT500 setup, both the tuner and the amp follow K3S band changes. However, with the same cables on my setup, the tuner follows the radio, but the amp does not. As an experiment, I plugged the cable from the K3S directly into the amp: still no band following. Before I do any heavy lifting, can anyone suggest other causes and cures? Cheers, Richard Kunc ? W4KBX From mteberle at mchsi.com Sun Mar 11 11:00:35 2018 From: mteberle at mchsi.com (Michael Eberle) Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2018 10:00:35 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 Band Following Message-ID: <9a952e29-16be-bcf2-b046-f42d38fafa4e@mchsi.com> The first thing I would do is check to see that the 'RADIO' option in the KPA500 menu is set to 'K3.' Mike - KI0HA On 3/11/2018 09:54, Richard wrote: > K3S - KPA500 - KAT500 > > A friend of mine who upgrades and repairs Elecraft stuff made me the two ?15-pin? cables for band following. They work perfectly on his own K3S - KPA500 - KAT500 setup, both the tuner and the amp follow K3S band changes. > > However, with the same cables on my setup, the tuner follows the radio, but the amp does not. > > As an experiment, I plugged the cable from the K3S directly into the amp: still no band following. > > Before I do any heavy lifting, can anyone suggest other causes and cures? > > Cheers, > > Richard Kunc ? W4KBX > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to mteberle at mchsi.com From elecraftcovers at gmail.com Sun Mar 11 11:30:57 2018 From: elecraftcovers at gmail.com (Rose) Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2018 09:30:57 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Attn: KL7VK Message-ID: Kirby, Have been trying to reply to your inquiry and your e-mails keep bouncing. Please contact me... 73! Rose - N7HKW ElecraftCovers at gmail.com 1-406-560-3738 From FlatHat at comcast.net Sun Mar 11 12:05:46 2018 From: FlatHat at comcast.net (Richard) Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2018 12:05:46 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 Band Following In-Reply-To: <9a952e29-16be-bcf2-b046-f42d38fafa4e@mchsi.com> References: <9a952e29-16be-bcf2-b046-f42d38fafa4e@mchsi.com> Message-ID: <3E118F43-0559-4560-88F9-0A762C9E1710@comcast.net> HALLELUJAH! Thank you! If it had been a congressman, it would have bitten me. Cheers! Richard - W4KBX > On Mar 11, 2018, at 11:00 AM, Michael Eberle wrote: > > The first thing I would do is check to see that the 'RADIO' option in the KPA500 menu is set to 'K3.' > > Mike - KI0HA > > > On 3/11/2018 09:54, Richard wrote: >> K3S - KPA500 - KAT500 >> >> A friend of mine who upgrades and repairs Elecraft stuff made me the two ?15-pin? cables for band following. They work perfectly on his own K3S - KPA500 - KAT500 setup, both the tuner and the amp follow K3S band changes. >> >> However, with the same cables on my setup, the tuner follows the radio, but the amp does not. >> >> As an experiment, I plugged the cable from the K3S directly into the amp: still no band following. >> >> Before I do any heavy lifting, can anyone suggest other causes and cures? >> >> Cheers, >> >> Richard Kunc ? W4KBX >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to mteberle at mchsi.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to flathat at comcast.net From jimk0xu at gmail.com Sun Mar 11 12:50:49 2018 From: jimk0xu at gmail.com (Jim Rhodes) Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2018 11:50:49 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: CW Paddle A/B switch In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: A question. Do you really need a switch? Are both rigs going to be on at the same time? If not a simple headphone splitter should do the trick. Jim Rhodes K0XU On Mar 11, 2018 9:52 AM, "Doug Hensley" wrote: > I have two radios and one cw paddle. I'm looking for a small inline A/B > switch as would be used on stereo headphone sets to switch between > sources. The whole thing would be a "Y" cable with two 1/8" male stereo > plugs on one end and a single female jack on the other. Switching would > choose which male plug is active. Yes I can build one but before I > reinvent the wheel, I thought someone might have a source. > > I'm tired of plugging and unplugging and I don't want or have the extra > space for another paddle. > > Has anyone found such a switch? > > Reply by private email please as this is off topic. > > Thanks, > > Doug W5JV > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to jimk0xu at gmail.com > From kevinr at coho.net Sun Mar 11 13:46:51 2018 From: kevinr at coho.net (kevinr) Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2018 10:46:51 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Correction Message-ID: With snow on the ground it is difficult to remember Daylight Savings Time begins today. But as always the local times remain the same except for those of you who don't switch to DST. 14050 kHz at 2200z (3 PM PDT) ?7045 kHz at 0000z (5 PM PDT) 73, ??? Kevin.? KD5ONS From wunder at wunderwood.org Sun Mar 11 15:25:17 2018 From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood) Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2018 12:25:17 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KXPA100 DC current at 20 50 watts In-Reply-To: <032820db-9897-ffab-e6b3-7d4ee566db3c@kn5l.net> References: <032820db-9897-ffab-e6b3-7d4ee566db3c@kn5l.net> Message-ID: <0D62D3C6-764D-4434-8451-ABDD723DD6B4@wunderwood.org> This was already answered on the KX3 list. Of course, the amperage depends on the voltage and the mode. wunder K6WRU Walter Underwood CM87wj http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) > On Mar 11, 2018, at 4:48 AM, John Oppenheimer wrote: > > Hi KXPA100 users, > > Can you report the DC input current at 20 and 50 output watts? Actual > measurements will be most helpful. > > John KN5L > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wunder at wunderwood.org From nr4c at widomaker.com Sun Mar 11 15:41:56 2018 From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c) Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2018 15:41:56 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: CW Paddle A/B switch In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <255E69FC-0721-4D29-BCAB-89268E9D8A1E@widomaker.com> Why a switch. Unless you?re gonna have both rigs on at same time. A simple ?Y? adapter would seem easier. Sent from my iPhone ...nr4c. bill > On Mar 11, 2018, at 12:50 PM, Jim Rhodes wrote: > > A question. Do you really need a switch? Are both rigs going to be on at > the same time? If not a simple headphone splitter should do the trick. > > Jim Rhodes > K0XU > >> On Mar 11, 2018 9:52 AM, "Doug Hensley" wrote: >> >> I have two radios and one cw paddle. I'm looking for a small inline A/B >> switch as would be used on stereo headphone sets to switch between >> sources. The whole thing would be a "Y" cable with two 1/8" male stereo >> plugs on one end and a single female jack on the other. Switching would >> choose which male plug is active. Yes I can build one but before I >> reinvent the wheel, I thought someone might have a source. >> >> I'm tired of plugging and unplugging and I don't want or have the extra >> space for another paddle. >> >> Has anyone found such a switch? >> >> Reply by private email please as this is off topic. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Doug W5JV >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to jimk0xu at gmail.com From rickw8zt at gmail.com Sun Mar 11 16:09:24 2018 From: rickw8zt at gmail.com (Rick Robinson) Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2018 20:09:24 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: CW Paddle A/B switch In-Reply-To: <255E69FC-0721-4D29-BCAB-89268E9D8A1E@widomaker.com> References: <255E69FC-0721-4D29-BCAB-89268E9D8A1E@widomaker.com> Message-ID: A spst switch on one ?hot? line will suffice and let you use both rigs at the same time. No need for a splitter. Wire both to the key with switch line going to one rig. On Sun, Mar 11, 2018 at 3:43 PM Nr4c wrote: > Why a switch. Unless you?re gonna have both rigs on at same time. > > A simple ?Y? adapter would seem easier. > > Sent from my iPhone > ...nr4c. bill > > > > On Mar 11, 2018, at 12:50 PM, Jim Rhodes wrote: > > > > A question. Do you really need a switch? Are both rigs going to be on at > > the same time? If not a simple headphone splitter should do the trick. > > > > Jim Rhodes > > K0XU > > > >> On Mar 11, 2018 9:52 AM, "Doug Hensley" wrote: > >> > >> I have two radios and one cw paddle. I'm looking for a small inline A/B > >> switch as would be used on stereo headphone sets to switch between > >> sources. The whole thing would be a "Y" cable with two 1/8" male stereo > >> plugs on one end and a single female jack on the other. Switching would > >> choose which male plug is active. Yes I can build one but before I > >> reinvent the wheel, I thought someone might have a source. > >> > >> I'm tired of plugging and unplugging and I don't want or have the extra > >> space for another paddle. > >> > >> Has anyone found such a switch? > >> > >> Reply by private email please as this is off topic. > >> > >> Thanks, > >> > >> Doug W5JV > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ______________________________________________________________ > >> Elecraft mailing list > >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >> > >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > >> Message delivered to jimk0xu at gmail.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to rickw8zt at gmail.com -- Rick Genesis 1-29 From dick at elecraft.com Sun Mar 11 16:11:14 2018 From: dick at elecraft.com (dick at elecraft.com) Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2018 13:11:14 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: CW Paddle A/B switch In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <004101d3b975$1c4b85a0$54e290e0$@elecraft.com> If two entirely different rigs pull paddle inputs up to different voltages (say 5 and 12V), and with the paddle lines tied together, current may flow from one rig to the other when the paddle is not pressed. A turned-off rig might float or might pull down a paddle input. I'd measure the current flow in the various scenarios (one or the other rig on/off, paddle inputs not grounded). A few diodes might remove potential problems. If two rigs are turned on (for whatever reason), would you want them both keyed? I'd personally favor a switch, and consider microphone, PTT footswitch, keying lines with that same switch. But that's possibly a lot more complex than you need. I bought an NCS-3240 Multi-Switcher some years back but haven't pressed it into use. It switches microphone and key line, but assumes an external keyer rather than one built into the radio. I personally found it less work and more flexible to use different paddles and different microphones. 73 de Dick, K6KR -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of Jim Rhodes Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2018 09:51 To: Doug Hensley Cc: Elecraft List Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: CW Paddle A/B switch A question. Do you really need a switch? Are both rigs going to be on at the same time? If not a simple headphone splitter should do the trick. Jim Rhodes K0XU On Mar 11, 2018 9:52 AM, "Doug Hensley" wrote: > I have two radios and one cw paddle. I'm looking for a small inline > A/B switch as would be used on stereo headphone sets to switch between > sources. The whole thing would be a "Y" cable with two 1/8" male > stereo plugs on one end and a single female jack on the other. > Switching would choose which male plug is active. Yes I can build one > but before I reinvent the wheel, I thought someone might have a source. > > I'm tired of plugging and unplugging and I don't want or have the > extra space for another paddle. > > Has anyone found such a switch? > > Reply by private email please as this is off topic. > > Thanks, > > Doug W5JV > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > jimk0xu at gmail.com > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to dick at elecraft.com From kl7uw at acsalaska.net Sun Mar 11 16:51:15 2018 From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole) Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2018 12:51:15 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] any KPA500 available Message-ID: <201803112051.w2BKpFU0011706@mail41c28.carrierzone.com> Yes, certainly a move from vacuum-tube to solid-state will happen. I am doing that on 2m, selling my 8877 amp and replacing it with a 1200w W6PQL LDMOS amp. My reasons are to be able to remote locate the amp to the tower base (eliminating blower noise and HVPS). This also eliminates long expensive low-loss coax lines. 4w will drive the new 2m amp to 1200w. The 75% of new price sounds in the ball park for a used KPA500. And I do not think over-supply of used amps will submerge the price by much - quality is valued! I think back to Collins in years past. 73, Ed - KL7UW From: "Erik Basilier" To: "'Jamie WW3S'" , Subject: Re: [Elecraft] any KPA500 available Message-ID: <043001d3b8ed$7d345d20$779d1760$@cox.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I bought my KPA500+KAT500 combo (great used condition, but power calibration was way off) for $2100 shipped on 3/14/2017. I have seen several sell on QRZ since then. If you keep watching there, you will find some. I just used their "search" function to see some recent deals. One KPA500 went for $1750 on 2/5/2018. I have seen sellers asking $1900 not long ago; don't know it they got that much. My impression is that the price is neither going up nor down. Compared to the KPA1500 the price and capability differences are very great, and the two markets are mostly separate. Many people probably go from 1.5kW HF tube amp's to the KPA1500. Someone interested in 6m legal limit gets quite a deal compared to spending $$$ on a 6m-only legal limit amp. 73, Erik K7TV 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com Dubus-NA Business mail: dubususa at gmail.com From thomas.kluge at gmx.de Sun Mar 11 17:49:19 2018 From: thomas.kluge at gmx.de (Thomas Kluge) Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2018 22:49:19 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Utility Segmentation Fault in Linux In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1520804959.9156.12.camel@gmx.de> Hi Rob, When I tried to start one of the utility programs today I got an error: (k3util:2054): GLib-CRITICAL **: g_hash_table_insert_internal: assertion 'hash_table != NULL' failed I think this is just a warning but it was followed by a segfault... All my Elecraft utility programs were affected (k3util, p3util, kpautil). I'm running Gentoo Linux which is up-to-date (most of the packets are the stable versions) and I was not sure when it worked last time... I've started to look a bit deeper into it and dmesg showed me first an issue with the libexpat and then with libpng. I've downgraded both packages to the following versions: expat: from version 2.2.1 to 2.1.0-r4 libpng: from version 1.6.29 to 1.6.27 Now I still get the Glib-errors (warnings) in the console - but everything works again. It might be the same problem the KX3util... Best regards Tom, DL3DTH Am Mittwoch, den 07.03.2018, 08:41 -0800 schrieb Howard Stephenson: > Hi Rob, > > From the Utility info on the web site: > > X86-based Linux: GTK+ 2.8 or later, glibc-2.4, libstdc++.so.6 and cURL. > 64-bit Linux requires 32-bit compatibility libraries. > > If you do a search of the reflector archives you should be able to find a > list of the 32 bit libraries needed: > > > If that is not helpful drop an e-mail to support at elecraft.com, they have a > template with the needed libraries listed that they'll be happy to send you. > > 73, > Howard Stephenson K6IA > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to thomas.kluge at gmx.de From kevinr at coho.net Sun Mar 11 20:38:32 2018 From: kevinr at coho.net (kevinr) Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2018 17:38:32 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Report Message-ID: <8db0b158-48af-9bb8-5f03-ee9c4b22d02f@coho.net> Good Evening, ??? It is amazing how good a walk on a sunny day feels; especially after you've had three weeks of snow storms and grey. Another few days like this and even the snow drifts will be gone. ?? While QSB on twenty meters was not too bad it was very deep, but slow, on forty meters.? I gave one report of 529 to 589.? On both nets I had to search to find an opening between the WQP folks. ?? On 14048.5 kHz at 2200z: K6XK - Roy - IA K4TO - John - KY W0CZ - Ken - ND ?? On 7044.5 kHz at 0000z: K6PJV - Dale - CA K0DTJ - Brian - CA AE6JV - Bill - CA WM5F - Dwight - ID K4TO & WM5F were both slightly above ESP.? When the QSB hit you guys you were gone.? But ten seconds later you were back again. ?? Until next week 73, ?????? Kevin.? KD5ONS From john at kk9a.com Sun Mar 11 21:55:51 2018 From: john at kk9a.com (john at kk9a.com) Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2018 21:55:51 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] CW Paddle A/B switch Message-ID: <000001d3b9a5$405bb250$c11316f0$@com> How are you switching your headphones and possibly microphone? There are a lot of SO2R devices that will switch everything plus allow you to use both rigs simultaneously if desired. I use a this one: http://microham-usa.com/store/product-info.php?pid10.html but perhaps even the simple Dunstar https://www.dunestar.com/store/product-list.php?Headphone-Switch-pg1-cid5.ht ml can be modified to work with a key. John KK9A Doug W5JV Wrote: I have two radios and one cw paddle. I'm looking for a small inline A/B switch as would be used on stereo headphone sets to switch between sources. The whole thing would be a "Y" cable with two 1/8" male stereo plugs on one end and a single female jack on the other. Switching would choose which male plug is active. Yes I can build one but before I reinvent the wheel, I thought someone might have a source. I'm tired of plugging and unplugging and I don't want or have the extra space for another paddle. Has anyone found such a switch? Reply by private email please as this is off topic. Thanks, Doug W5JV From neilz at techie.com Mon Mar 12 00:46:45 2018 From: neilz at techie.com (Neil Zampella) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2018 00:46:45 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Planning the next filters In-Reply-To: <3bb932ff-bfcb-26c7-7b6e-bde9d50fb65b@embarqmail.com> References: <3bb932ff-bfcb-26c7-7b6e-bde9d50fb65b@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: To add something to what Don said: I've been using my KX3 with a USB soundcard (SoundBlaster SBx) for digital modes, and WSJT-X modes especially for about two years now. Before that I was using an IC-718 with the same soundcard. You don't need to spend over $100 for a specialty piece of equipment that basically does the same thing two shielded stereo cables, a KXUSB cable and a cheap USB soundcard does.? You can do it for anywhere from $20 to 60 bucks, the only criteria, at least for the WSJT-X modes, is that the soundcard must provide 16bit 48kHz audio. That said, on MACs its been found that keeping the soundcard set to 44100 Hz keeps the computer from having problems with WSJT-X, no one's quite sure why. K3s owners have it a bit easier, with the built in USB for CAT and audio.???? K3 owners (without the USB KIO3B option) can use the same setup as my KX3. 73, Neil, KN3ILZ On 3/10/2018 11:20 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > There seems to be an ongoing concern about audio levels for digital > modes.? This is not confined to the SignaLink, but applies to any and > all soundcards used for digital modes. > > There are at least two audio level controls - the Line In gain, and > the soundcard output level (set in the computer for most soundcards, > but with the front panel knob on the SignaLink). There is also a 3rd > control in the software application often marked "POWER".? Those > should all initially be set midrange, and then changed a bit from > there to produce 4 bars on the ALC meter with the 5th bar flashing.? > That should keep you out of the clipping level.? If any controls are > at a very high or low range, that is when you will run into clipping > problems or insufficient audio drive. > > For more detail and explanation of 'why', see the article on my > website www.w3fpr.com.? Scroll down to the last article in the left > column and click on the link. > > Data mode operation does not require an exotic soundcard, most any > will work.? The important parameter for soundcard data modes is the > noise floor available for the soundcard.? Soundcards for Panadapter > use need to have a sampling rate equal to (or exceeding) the bandwidth > to be displayed, but that is not an important parameter for digital > modes.? In other words, a 16 bit 32k (or greater) soundcard will work > well for data modes.? The more expensive soundcards will likely have a > lower noise level, but that is not guaranteed. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 3/9/2018 6:58 PM, Bill Frantz wrote: >> Since SignaLinks seem to be a continuing topic, one thing I noticed >> with mine is that the manufacturer seems to have been upgrading the >> design. When I first heard (probably from Jim) that there were >> problems with the SignaLink, I found a web site with directions for >> fixing some of them. So I warmed up my soldering iron and opened my >> SignaLink. When I looked carefully, every single one of the issues on >> the web site had been addressed in my unit. >> >> I got a Tascam 24 bit device, which I used for several years, but it >> wouldn't work on my Linux BeagleBone, because of the lack of drivers. >> It worked well on my Mac. Now I'm using the KIO3B upgrade to my K3 >> and am quite happy with it. The SignaLink has moved to my portable >> KX3 station, where I'm looking for a smaller, lighter solution. >> > From alan at thelamberts.com Mon Mar 12 07:19:15 2018 From: alan at thelamberts.com (Alan Lambert) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2018 07:19:15 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Fault on KPA500 after 300w Message-ID: I recently acquired a KP500/KAT500 for use with my Kx3/KXPa100. I know the person I bought it from well and I am 99.9999% sure it is not an issue with the amp or tuner. I was making some notes (a chart) for input to output power levels, mostly just to ?get to know? the amp a little better. At the time of these issues, I was on 80m SSB and the Kat500 was showing 1:1 / 1.2:1. The output watts I have listed below are not ?actuals? I?m just recalling them from memory so may be off a few watts. I set the Kx3 to 8w and called ?test test test 1 2 3 kn4bbc? I showed ~80w out with a 1:1 to 1.2:1 SWR.. GREAT! Moved up to 9w and got 100w out? same SWR ? more Great! 10w I got 175w same SWR ? sill looking good! 11w I got 250w same SWR ? Awesome! Now this is where the problem comes in. I set to 12w? As I starting calling my ?test test test 1 2 3?? At first things looked great..I was getting 300w same SWR but then suddenly I get high SWR followed by ?High Refl? on the KPA5, fault light comes on and I get warning tones. So I tuned the KAT500 again and tried the whole thing again with the same results. Gear wise: KX3/Kxpa100 with ATU disabled > KPA500/KAT500. Ant1 on Kat500 > 1ft LMR400 jumper > 1:1 ATU Current Balun > 225 feet of 450 ladder line > a ? wave 80m center fed, inverted V dipole. Center point is ~90 feet off ground. The Balun is a Balun Designs Model 1161 The shack is on 2nd floor in middle of the house and has no exterior walls. The ladder line starts in the shack, there is about 2 feet of in the shack then enters my attic space thru and opening in a sheetrock wall. Inside the attic space there is a long slow, wide loop about 50 feet long. I was careful to keep it away from metals and it does not cross itself however some of it is lying on top of plywood. From there its exits the house in the ridge cap at the tip top of the roof at about (40 feet off ground) The ladder line then hangs from a rope that runs from the eve to the tree line about 175 feet away which is where the center point of the dipole is. In short 175 feet outside 50 feet inside. Ideas of what my problem might be? From john at kk9a.com Mon Mar 12 07:47:02 2018 From: john at kk9a.com (john at kk9a.com) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2018 07:47:02 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Fault on KPA500 after 300w Message-ID: A dummy load may verify that the KPA/KAT are working properly. I am guessing that something is arcing in your antenna system. Perhaps water ingress. Have you run high power into it with a different amp? John KK9A On March 12 Alan Lambert wrote: I recently acquired a KP500/KAT500 for use with my Kx3/KXPa100. I know the person I bought it from well and I am 99.9999% sure it is not an issue with the amp or tuner. I was making some notes (a chart) for input to output power levels, mostly just to ?get to know? the amp a little better. At the time of these issues, I was on 80m SSB and the Kat500 was showing 1:1 / 1.2:1. The output watts I have listed below are not ?actuals? I?m just recalling them from memory so may be off a few watts. I set the Kx3 to 8w and called ?test test test 1 2 3 kn4bbc? I showed ~80w out with a 1:1 to 1.2:1 SWR.. GREAT! Moved up to 9w and got 100w out? same SWR ? more Great! 10w I got 175w same SWR ? sill looking good! 11w I got 250w same SWR ? Awesome! Now this is where the problem comes in. I set to 12w? As I starting calling my ?test test test 1 2 3?? At first things looked great..I was getting 300w same SWR but then suddenly I get high SWR followed by ?High Refl? on the KPA5, fault light comes on and I get warning tones. So I tuned the KAT500 again and tried the whole thing again with the same results. Gear wise: KX3/Kxpa100 with ATU disabled > KPA500/KAT500. Ant1 on Kat500 > 1ft LMR400 jumper > 1:1 ATU Current Balun > 225 feet of 450 ladder line > a ? wave 80m center fed, inverted V dipole. Center point is ~90 feet off ground. The Balun is a Balun Designs Model 1161 The shack is on 2nd floor in middle of the house and has no exterior walls. The ladder line starts in the shack, there is about 2 feet of in the shack then enters my attic space thru and opening in a sheetrock wall. Inside the attic space there is a long slow, wide loop about 50 feet long. I was careful to keep it away from metals and it does not cross itself however some of it is lying on top of plywood. From there its exits the house in the ridge cap at the tip top of the roof at about (40 feet off ground) The ladder line then hangs from a rope that runs from the eve to the tree line about 175 feet away which is where the center point of the dipole is. In short 175 feet outside 50 feet inside. Ideas of what my problem might be? From jim at w5la.net Mon Mar 12 08:08:53 2018 From: jim at w5la.net (Jim Ragsdale) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2018 07:08:53 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] D19 shorting out in K1 Message-ID: <1026c37c-ad02-65b3-209e-4d210064ce04@w5la.net> I've been wondering if anyone else has experienced this. I have a K1 with the KAT1 ATU and am using an A/B switch to swap antennas. Three times now when I swap antennas with the power on the K1, it shorts out diode D19 in the final. I can solve the problem by always powering down before the swap, but sometimes I forget to do that (has nothing do with my age. HI). Any thoughts? 73, Jim W5LA From k4jk.james at gmail.com Mon Mar 12 08:21:15 2018 From: k4jk.james at gmail.com (James K4JK) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2018 08:21:15 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] CW Paddle A/B switch In-Reply-To: <000001d3b9a5$405bb250$c11316f0$@com> References: <000001d3b9a5$405bb250$c11316f0$@com> Message-ID: I have done this with a repurposed A/V selector switch and custom-made cables. Amazon has a cheap one that worked for me: https://tinyurl.com/y8oczmle S-video is 4 conductor, so that was used to switch the key between the radios. I just wired up old 3 conductor 1/4" cables to svideo (mini-DIN) plugs purchased from ebay. Make sure you keep the pins straight or your paddle could be reversed when you switch between radios! Audio was handled by the RCA jacks and adapter cables. Monoprice has all kinds of cheap cables/adaptors if you don't want to make your own. But you will probably have to build mini-DIN -> Stereo cables yourself. 73 James K4JK On Sun, Mar 11, 2018 at 9:55 PM, wrote: > How are you switching your headphones and possibly microphone? There are a > lot of SO2R devices that will switch everything plus allow you to use both > rigs simultaneously if desired. I use a this one: > http://microham-usa.com/store/product-info.php?pid10.html but perhaps even > the simple Dunstar > https://www.dunestar.com/store/product-list.php? > Headphone-Switch-pg1-cid5.ht > ml can be modified to work with a key. > > John KK9A > > > Doug W5JV Wrote: > > I have two radios and one cw paddle. I'm looking for a small inline A/B > switch as would be used on stereo headphone sets to switch between sources. > The whole thing would be a "Y" cable with two 1/8" male stereo plugs on one > end and a single female jack on the other. Switching would choose which > male plug is active. Yes I can build one but before I reinvent the wheel, > I > thought someone might have a source. > > I'm tired of plugging and unplugging and I don't want or have the extra > space for another paddle. > > Has anyone found such a switch? > > Reply by private email please as this is off topic. > > Thanks, > > Doug W5JV > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k4jk.james at gmail.com > From k4to.dave at gmail.com Mon Mar 12 08:52:20 2018 From: k4to.dave at gmail.com (Dave Sublette) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2018 08:52:20 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] CW Paddle A/B switch In-Reply-To: References: <000001d3b9a5$405bb250$c11316f0$@com> Message-ID: I built, about 20 years ago, a small Bud box, 2 x 2 x 1 3/4, three female jacks on the back and a DPDT mini toggle switch with center off position. It has worked perfectly. The center off position keeps me from sending when I bump the paddle accidently. 73, K4TO On Mon, Mar 12, 2018 at 8:21 AM, James K4JK wrote: > I have done this with a repurposed A/V selector switch and custom-made > cables. > > Amazon has a cheap one that worked for me: > > https://tinyurl.com/y8oczmle > > S-video is 4 conductor, so that was used to switch the key between the > radios. I just wired up old 3 conductor 1/4" cables to svideo (mini-DIN) > plugs purchased from ebay. Make sure you keep the pins straight or your > paddle could be reversed when you switch between radios! > > Audio was handled by the RCA jacks and adapter cables. Monoprice has all > kinds of cheap cables/adaptors if you don't want to make your own. But you > will probably have to build mini-DIN -> Stereo cables yourself. > > 73 > James > K4JK > > > On Sun, Mar 11, 2018 at 9:55 PM, wrote: > > > How are you switching your headphones and possibly microphone? There > are a > > lot of SO2R devices that will switch everything plus allow you to use > both > > rigs simultaneously if desired. I use a this one: > > http://microham-usa.com/store/product-info.php?pid10.html but perhaps > even > > the simple Dunstar > > https://www.dunestar.com/store/product-list.php? > > Headphone-Switch-pg1-cid5.ht > > ml can be modified to work with a key. > > > > John KK9A > > > > > > Doug W5JV Wrote: > > > > I have two radios and one cw paddle. I'm looking for a small inline A/B > > switch as would be used on stereo headphone sets to switch between > sources. > > The whole thing would be a "Y" cable with two 1/8" male stereo plugs on > one > > end and a single female jack on the other. Switching would choose which > > male plug is active. Yes I can build one but before I reinvent the > wheel, > > I > > thought someone might have a source. > > > > I'm tired of plugging and unplugging and I don't want or have the extra > > space for another paddle. > > > > Has anyone found such a switch? > > > > Reply by private email please as this is off topic. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Doug W5JV > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to k4jk.james at gmail.com > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k4to at arrl.net > From groups at planet3.freeuk.co.uk Mon Mar 12 08:54:00 2018 From: groups at planet3.freeuk.co.uk (Brian D) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2018 12:54:00 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Fault on KPA500 after 300w In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I had a similar problem but only on 160m. would work fine for a few minutes at full power, fine at reduced power. After much hair tearing discovered that it was a voltage transformer in an external coupler heating up and losing inductance, effectively shorting the feeder. Cured by using a larger toroid in the coupler. Brian G3VGZ "john at kk9a.com" wrote: > A dummy load may verify that the KPA/KAT are working properly. I am > guessing that something is arcing in your antenna system. Perhaps water > ingress. Have you run high power into it with a different amp? > > John KK9A > > > > On March 12 Alan Lambert wrote: > > I recently acquired a KP500/KAT500 for use with my Kx3/KXPa100. I know the > person I bought it from well and I am 99.9999% sure it is not an issue > with the amp or tuner. > > I was making some notes (a chart) for input to output power levels, > mostly just to ?get to know? the amp a little better. At the time of > these issues, I was on 80m SSB and the Kat500 was showing 1:1 / 1.2:1. > > The output watts I have listed below are not ?actuals? I?m just recalling > them from memory so may be off a few watts. > > I set the Kx3 to 8w and called ?test test test 1 2 3 kn4bbc? I showed > ~80w out with a 1:1 to 1.2:1 SWR.. GREAT! > > Moved up to 9w and got 100w out? same SWR ? more Great! > > 10w I got 175w same SWR ? sill looking good! > > 11w I got 250w same SWR ? Awesome! > > Now this is where the problem comes in. > > I set to 12w? As I starting calling my ?test test test 1 2 3?? At first > things looked great..I was getting 300w same SWR but then suddenly I get > high SWR followed by ?High Refl? on the KPA5, fault light comes on and I > get warning tones. > > So I tuned the KAT500 again and tried the whole thing again with the same > results. > > Gear wise: > > KX3/Kxpa100 with ATU disabled > KPA500/KAT500. > > Ant1 on Kat500 > 1ft LMR400 jumper > 1:1 ATU Current Balun > 225 feet > of 450 ladder line > a ? wave 80m center fed, inverted V dipole. Center > point is ~90 feet off ground. > > The Balun is a Balun Designs Model 1161 > > The shack is on 2nd floor in middle of the house and has no exterior > walls. > > The ladder line starts in the shack, there is about 2 feet of in the > shack then enters my attic space thru and opening in a sheetrock wall. > Inside the attic space there is a long slow, wide loop about 50 feet long. > I was careful to keep it away from metals and it does not cross itself > however some of it is lying on top of plywood. From there its exits the > house in the ridge cap at the tip top of the roof at about (40 feet off > ground) The ladder line then hangs from a rope that runs from the eve to > the tree line about 175 feet away which is where the center point of the > dipole is. In short 175 feet outside 50 feet inside. > > > Ideas of what my problem might be? > > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft > mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: > http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > groups at planet3.freeuk.co.uk > -- Brian D G3VGZ Yarm England From K1ND at comcast.net Mon Mar 12 08:56:49 2018 From: K1ND at comcast.net (Jan) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2018 08:56:49 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KXPA100 DC current at 20 50 watts Message-ID: <8b0dda7b-877b-e623-005d-fc6d421d6114@comcast.net> Power readings here in Ypsilanti . . .Using the KX3/PX3/KXPA100 for several years now AND enjoy it very much; including a keyboard into the PX3 for some fun on CW too ~ but mostly use the Navy flame-proof key with SKCC activity (# 6099T) Here are my reading on the METERS on the SEC-1235 power supply? . . . a good power supply . . . At 5W?????? 1.5A? and 14V??????? KX3 alone At 10W??? 3.0A? and 14V??????? KX3 alone At 20W??? 10A?? and 14V??????? KX3 + KXPA100 At 50W??? 15A?? and? 14V????? KX3 + KXPA100 AT 75 W?? 17A?? and 14V????? KX3 + KXPA100 At 100W? 23A? and 14V?????? KX3 + KXPA100 Cheers, Jan? K1ND From challinan at gmail.com Mon Mar 12 09:02:55 2018 From: challinan at gmail.com (Chris Hallinan) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2018 09:02:55 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Fault on KPA500 after 300w In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I have experienced the exact same issue, and I posted about it here. In my case, it was being caused by my MFJ remote auto tuner. I had also suspected an Alpha Delta surge suppressor that was outside the shack prior to cable entry, and I had removed that. The MFJ had a relay clicking on every key down. Something is reacting to the high power, almost certainly related to high SWR on the line as well. High SWR can produce some very high voltages at standing wave voltage peaks along the transmission line. You may be experiencing an arching somewhere. If the balun saturates (again due to power and high SWR combination) that could also trigger the amp shutdown. Probably not your issue since that Balun should handle 5KW but I opened mine up to make sure it wasn't full of water or to look for other visible signs of arching, etc. Since yours in inside, likely it's ok, but you can't rule it out. I'm not 100% convinced I've resolved my issue - I sent the tuner back to MFJ to exchange it, and I'm using an old Dentron 2KW manual tuner and haven't had an issue with that setup. If you have access to a manual tuner, try that. You might also try adding 1/8 wavelength of 450-ohm line to the shack end to "relocate" the offending high voltage node. A long shot, but you're pretty much stuck with a trial and error process of problem resolution. 73 de K1AY Chris On Mon, Mar 12, 2018 at 7:19 AM, Alan Lambert wrote: > I recently acquired a KP500/KAT500 for use with my Kx3/KXPa100. I know > the person I bought it from well and I am 99.9999% sure it is not an > issue with the amp or tuner. > > I was making some notes (a chart) for input to output power levels, > mostly just to ?get to know? the amp a little better. At the time of > these issues, I was on 80m SSB and the Kat500 was showing 1:1 / 1.2:1. > > The output watts I have listed below are not ?actuals? I?m just > recalling them from memory so may be off a few watts. > > I set the Kx3 to 8w and called ?test test test 1 2 3 kn4bbc? I showed > ~80w out with a 1:1 to 1.2:1 SWR.. GREAT! > > Moved up to 9w and got 100w out? same SWR ? more Great! > > 10w I got 175w same SWR ? sill looking good! > > 11w I got 250w same SWR ? Awesome! > > Now this is where the problem comes in. > > I set to 12w? As I starting calling my ?test test test 1 2 3?? At > first things looked great..I was getting 300w same SWR but then > suddenly I get high SWR followed by ?High Refl? on the KPA5, fault > light comes on and I get warning tones. > > So I tuned the KAT500 again and tried the whole thing again with the > same results. > > Gear wise: > > KX3/Kxpa100 with ATU disabled > KPA500/KAT500. > > Ant1 on Kat500 > 1ft LMR400 jumper > 1:1 ATU Current Balun > 225 > feet of 450 ladder line > a ? wave 80m center fed, inverted V dipole. > Center point is ~90 feet off ground. > > The Balun is a Balun Designs Model 1161 > > The shack is on 2nd floor in middle of the house and has no exterior walls. > > The ladder line starts in the shack, there is about 2 feet of in the > shack then enters my attic space thru and opening in a sheetrock wall. > Inside the attic space there is a long slow, wide loop about 50 feet > long. I was careful to keep it away from metals and it does not cross > itself however some of it is lying on top of plywood. From there its > exits the house in the ridge cap at the tip top of the roof at about > (40 feet off ground) The ladder line then hangs from a rope that runs > from the eve to the tree line about 175 feet away which is where the > center point of the dipole is. In short 175 feet outside 50 feet > inside. > > > Ideas of what my problem might be? > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to challinan at gmail.com -- Life is like Linux - it never stands still. From john at kn5l.net Mon Mar 12 09:19:27 2018 From: john at kn5l.net (John Oppenheimer) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2018 08:19:27 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KXPA100 DC current at 20 50 watts In-Reply-To: <8b0dda7b-877b-e623-005d-fc6d421d6114@comcast.net> References: <8b0dda7b-877b-e623-005d-fc6d421d6114@comcast.net> Message-ID: <32efb7bf-def3-f7f4-aacb-d383a1fdcbca@kn5l.net> Thank you Jan! Also a thank you to the private direct reports. I'm in a temporary limited shack condition. To KIS, using a K2/10 with a battery. While sending an endless string of auto-keyer 10W CQs on 20M my mind wondered to: what is the addition battery drain for 3 dB? Testing a K3, the bias current for the 100W amplifier is about 5A. I wondered what the KXPA100 bias current is? Based on the reported numbers, it's about 7A. There's been a bunch of list comments about the amazing K2. I agree! Looking at the Elecraft shipping page, there's been a K2 run. Long live the K2. John KN5L On 03/12/2018 07:56 AM, Jan wrote: > At 10W??? 3.0A? and 14V??????? KX3 alone > > At 20W??? 10A?? and 14V??????? KX3 + KXPA100 From k2mk.mike at gmail.com Mon Mar 12 09:24:15 2018 From: k2mk.mike at gmail.com (Mike K2MK) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2018 06:24:15 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] OT: CW Paddle A/B switch In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1520861055326-0.post@n2.nabble.com> Hi Doug, I am currently using two of the following switches and they work perfectly.They switch 1/8" stereo plugs so if you are currently using 1/4" plugs you would need reducers. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00NTKFKMG/ref=oh_aui_search_detailpage?ie=UTF8&psc=1 I use my K3 for local operation and with an RRC device for remote operation. I use one switch for my headphones and another for my microphone. I would have a third switch for my paddle, however, I had previously made a toggle switch box for that purpose. 73, Mike K2MK Doug Hensley wrote > I have two radios and one cw paddle. I'm looking for a small inline A/B > switch as would be used on stereo headphone sets to switch between > sources. The whole thing would be a "Y" cable with two 1/8" male stereo > plugs on one end and a single female jack on the other. Switching would > choose which male plug is active. Yes I can build one but before I > reinvent the wheel, I thought someone might have a source. > > I'm tired of plugging and unplugging and I don't want or have the extra > space for another paddle. > > Has anyone found such a switch? > > Reply by private email please as this is off topic. > > Thanks, > > Doug W5JV -- Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ From gdt at lexort.com Mon Mar 12 09:24:07 2018 From: gdt at lexort.com (Greg Troxel) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2018 09:24:07 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] D19 shorting out in K1 In-Reply-To: <1026c37c-ad02-65b3-209e-4d210064ce04@w5la.net> (Jim Ragsdale's message of "Mon, 12 Mar 2018 07:08:53 -0500") References: <1026c37c-ad02-65b3-209e-4d210064ce04@w5la.net> Message-ID: Jim Ragsdale writes: > I've been wondering if anyone else has experienced this. I have a K1 > with the KAT1 ATU and am using an A/B switch to swap antennas. Three > times now when I swap antennas with the power on the K1, it shorts out > diode D19 in the final. I can solve the problem by always powering > down before the swap, but sometimes I forget to do that (has nothing > do with my age. HI). > > Any thoughts? Are you really sure there is no electrostatic charge on the antenna you are switching to? Do you have a bleeder resistor, or does the switch ground the unused antenna? 73 de n1dam From donwilh at embarqmail.com Mon Mar 12 09:34:54 2018 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2018 09:34:54 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] D19 shorting out in K1 In-Reply-To: <1026c37c-ad02-65b3-209e-4d210064ce04@w5la.net> References: <1026c37c-ad02-65b3-209e-4d210064ce04@w5la.net> Message-ID: Jim, D19 is intended to sacrifice itself instead of the PA transistor from events like high SWR or power supply surges. That means your antenna switching is likely producing a voltage spike when switching. Possibilities that I can think of include switching an antenna which has a bias T network associated with it, or somehow your power supply is producing a spike when you switch the antenna. There is nothing in the K1 itself which would cause it (unless the K1 is transmitting when the antenna is switched). 73, Don W3FPR On 3/12/2018 8:08 AM, Jim Ragsdale wrote: > I've been wondering if anyone else has experienced this. I have a K1 > with the KAT1 ATU and am using an A/B switch to swap antennas. Three > times now when I swap antennas with the power on the K1, it shorts out > diode D19 in the final. I can solve the problem by always powering down > before the swap, but sometimes I forget to do that (has nothing do with > my age. HI). From k6sdw.usa at gmail.com Mon Mar 12 11:30:58 2018 From: k6sdw.usa at gmail.com (Eddy Avila) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2018 08:30:58 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 keying connection to amp question? Message-ID: Greetings, can anyone suggest how to connect a KX3 to a non-Elecraft amp keying circuit? I'm thinking I should use a small reed relay to do the keying. The amp uses the typical grounding a pin on the amp to key up amplifier. Many thanks, 73 k6sdw~ Ed From john at kn5l.net Mon Mar 12 11:46:24 2018 From: john at kn5l.net (John Oppenheimer) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2018 10:46:24 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 keying connection to amp question? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2b7dc086-a988-df21-410c-9f9bcb87ad5d@kn5l.net> Hi Ed, The KX3 specification rates the key line at: "Accessory I/O (ACC2 Jack) KEYLINE: 30 V, 100 mA max, open drain;" on page 54. The amplifier should also have a specification. As long as the amp is under 30V and 100 ma, all will be OK with a direct connection. If the amp does not have a specification, amp key input measurements can be performed with a voltmeter and an amp-meter. John KN5L On 03/12/2018 10:30 AM, Eddy Avila wrote: > Greetings, can anyone suggest how to connect a KX3 to a non-Elecraft amp > keying circuit? I'm thinking I should use a small reed relay to do the > keying. The amp uses the typical grounding a pin on the amp to key up > amplifier. From ve7xf at shaw.ca Mon Mar 12 16:23:53 2018 From: ve7xf at shaw.ca (Ralph Parker) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2018 20:23:53 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] New Sub RX Message-ID: <89b317a0-66aa-bd01-354a-f01904e3aab9@shaw.ca> >But now I need three receivers. Two for diversity and one to scan the pileup. K4 From k2vco.vic at gmail.com Mon Mar 12 16:36:23 2018 From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Vic Rosenthal) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2018 22:36:23 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] New Sub RX In-Reply-To: <89b317a0-66aa-bd01-354a-f01904e3aab9@shaw.ca> References: <89b317a0-66aa-bd01-354a-f01904e3aab9@shaw.ca> Message-ID: <8D6ACC4B-C18E-4124-8A8F-2CB46470FBC0@gmail.com> Actually, I sometimes find myself switching diversity on and off while trying to break a pileup when the dx station is particularly weak. The P3 + VGA is helpful in spotting when diversity is on and I can?t hear the pileup. Vic 4X6GP > On 12 Mar 2018, at 22:23, Ralph Parker wrote: > > >But now I need three receivers. Two for diversity and one to scan the pileup. > > K4 > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k2vco.vic at gmail.com From ve7xf at shaw.ca Mon Mar 12 19:56:41 2018 From: ve7xf at shaw.ca (Ralph Parker) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2018 23:56:41 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] New Sub RX Message-ID: <1f36db8b-2c83-2a9b-d8ed-b7d1b9a2b733@shaw.ca> >I sometimes find myself switching diversity on and off while trying to break a pileup when the dx station is particularly weak. >The P3 + VGA is helpful in spotting when diversity is on and I can?t hear the pileup. When my diversity is in use, I can get by fairly well in deciphering the pileup by using the "REV" function. Then the diversity mode stays on. VE7XF From challinan at gmail.com Mon Mar 12 19:58:09 2018 From: challinan at gmail.com (Chris Hallinan) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2018 19:58:09 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Sub RX stopped working on 20/17 meters Message-ID: Hi Folks, Just learning my way around the KRX3A. For reasons I can't determine, it stopped working on 20 and 17 meters. Works fine on the other bands. I have tried with both main and AUX antennas. I know it worked when first installed. B_SET settings all seem normal, mode, bw, atten, etc. I can't get it work work again. It has static when the AF Gain(SUB) is advanced, but no indication on the S-Meter when B_SET selected on an S-9 signal and no signal in the headphones on the Sub side. Have I somehow got it confused and it's trying to use a different band's lo pass? I have not experimented with "cross-band" sub rx operation. Maybe I inadvertently switched bands with SUB enabled and got it mixed up??? Dunno. The manual is open on my desk. Can't find anything that might be wrong. Firmware is all up to date. Any ideas? Chris -- -- Life is like Linux - it never stands still. From frantz at pwpconsult.com Mon Mar 12 20:01:05 2018 From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2018 17:01:05 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] New Sub RX In-Reply-To: <1f36db8b-2c83-2a9b-d8ed-b7d1b9a2b733@shaw.ca> Message-ID: And I got the sub-receiver because I kept confusing the tuning knobs when using REV. It greatly improved my life in pileups. 73 Bill AE6JV On 3/12/18 at 4:56 PM, ve7xf at shaw.ca (Ralph Parker) wrote: >>I sometimes find myself switching diversity on and off while trying to break a pileup when the dx >station is particularly weak. >>The P3 + VGA is helpful in spotting when diversity is on and I can?t hear the pileup. > >When my diversity is in use, I can get by fairly well in >deciphering the pileup by using the "REV" function. >Then the diversity mode stays on. > >VE7XF ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz | Since the IBM Selectric, keyboards have gotten 408-356-8506 | steadily worse. Now we have touchscreen keyboards. www.pwpconsult.com | Can we make something even worse? From chandlerusm at gmail.com Mon Mar 12 20:39:29 2018 From: chandlerusm at gmail.com (Chuck Chandler) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2018 19:39:29 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Sub Rx Diversity Message-ID: All this talk about how great Diversity is had me wondering, but when I try it out I realized I had to move the receiving antenna to the Aux RF jack. The Kady boom mentions using an RF splitter to allow the receive antgenna to be used for both purposes. What have other members of the list used for this purpose? Seems like a fairly broadband, low noise amp would do pretty well. 73 de Chuck, WS1L -- =================== Chuck Chandler chandlerusm at gmail.com =================== From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Mon Mar 12 21:15:10 2018 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2018 18:15:10 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Sub Rx Diversity In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 3/12/2018 5:39 PM, Chuck Chandler wrote: > What have other members of the list used for this purpose? I've used both BNC Tee connectors and lab-grade passive splitters made by MiniCircuits. Both work. 73, Jim K9YC From richarddnnr2 at gmail.com Mon Mar 12 21:42:42 2018 From: richarddnnr2 at gmail.com (Richard Donner) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2018 18:42:42 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Sub RX stopped working on 20/17 meters Message-ID: Hi This is my first help idea. Perhaps your sub receiver is not connected to an active antenna on 17 and 20 meters. I have done stuff like that and pulled my hair out until I realized the above. luck From wes_n7ws at triconet.org Mon Mar 12 22:34:59 2018 From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes Stewart) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2018 19:34:59 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] New Sub RX In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <615e667f-693d-6e88-c625-3f97ffae99b3@triconet.org> Lock VFO A on the DX.? My "Split" macros do exactly that. Wes? N7WS On 3/12/2018 5:01 PM, Bill Frantz wrote: > And I got the sub-receiver because I kept confusing the tuning knobs when > using REV. It greatly improved my life in pileups. > > 73 Bill AE6JV From htodd at twofifty.com Mon Mar 12 23:12:57 2018 From: htodd at twofifty.com (Hisashi T Fujinaka) Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2018 20:12:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Elecraft] New Sub RX In-Reply-To: <615e667f-693d-6e88-c625-3f97ffae99b3@triconet.org> References: <615e667f-693d-6e88-c625-3f97ffae99b3@triconet.org> Message-ID: My trick is to use the Pigknob or K-Pod on the subrx frequency. That keeps two big knobs away from each other. The other trick is to put CW maros on the buttons. It made working the W1AW/50 stations a lot of fun a couple of years ago. On Mon, 12 Mar 2018, Wes Stewart wrote: > Lock VFO A on the DX. My "Split" macros do exactly that. > > Wes N7WS > > On 3/12/2018 5:01 PM, Bill Frantz wrote: >> And I got the sub-receiver because I kept confusing the tuning knobs when >> using REV. It greatly improved my life in pileups. >> >> 73 Bill AE6JV > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to htodd at twofifty.com -- Hisashi T Fujinaka - htodd at twofifty.com BSEE + BSChem + BAEnglish + MSCS + $2.50 = coffee From richarddw1945 at yahoo.com Tue Mar 13 00:06:20 2018 From: richarddw1945 at yahoo.com (RIchard Williams) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2018 04:06:20 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] Sub Rx Diversity In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1226178139.182794.1520913980077@mail.yahoo.com> Chuck, All you need to do is run your RX Ant into the BNC connector labeled RX IN,? Then run a short cable with BNC males on each in between the RX OUT and the AUX in (under the PL259 connector for ant 1 and 2)..? Works great,? when you go to diverse receive, the main receiver is listening on your receive antenna, and sub receiver will be listening on your transmit antenna. Seems a lot of individuals do not know this "trick", but I have been using this setup for several years. Dick, K8ZTT? On Monday, March 12, 2018, 6:40:04 PM MDT, Chuck Chandler wrote: All this talk about how great Diversity is had me wondering, but when I try it out I realized I had to move the receiving antenna to the Aux RF jack. The Kady boom mentions using an RF splitter to allow the receive antgenna to be used for both purposes. What have other members of the list used for this purpose?? Seems like a fairly broadband, low noise amp would do pretty well. 73 de Chuck, WS1L -- =================== Chuck Chandler chandlerusm at gmail.com =================== ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to richarddw1945 at yahoo.com From forums at david-woolley.me.uk Tue Mar 13 05:56:35 2018 From: forums at david-woolley.me.uk (David Woolley) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2018 09:56:35 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Utility Segmentation Fault in Linux In-Reply-To: <1520804959.9156.12.camel@gmx.de> References: <1520804959.9156.12.camel@gmx.de> Message-ID: <31c465fe-b289-21d0-38a4-55beadd61584@david-woolley.me.uk> That is much more serious than a warning. I'd expect it to be immediately followed by a crash with signal 3 (abort), rather than signal 11 (segmentation fault). However, if this isn't the standard assert routine, I would expect any attempt to actually use hash_table to produce a segmentation fault. The standard assert routine is a macro which tests the condition and, if it fails, logs the fact then call abort, which never returns. On 11/03/18 21:49, Thomas Kluge wrote: > (k3util:2054): GLib-CRITICAL **: g_hash_table_insert_internal: > assertion 'hash_table != NULL' failed > I think this is just a warning but it was followed by a segfault... From btippett at alum.mit.edu Tue Mar 13 05:57:35 2018 From: btippett at alum.mit.edu (Bill W4ZV) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2018 02:57:35 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] New Sub RX In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1520935055039-0.post@n2.nabble.com> Bill Frantz wrote > But now I need three receivers. Two for diversity and one to scan the > pileup. Get CW Skimmer and enable its "599" function. You don't even need to listen to the pileup since you can watch for the last "599" in the spectrum display and move your TX there. Here's a macro I wrote in 2011 with details: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-Pileup-Buster-Macro-td6579405.html 73, Bill W4ZV -- Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ From kc4atu at hotmail.com Tue Mar 13 06:07:11 2018 From: kc4atu at hotmail.com (Bill Rowlett) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2018 10:07:11 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] New Sub RX In-Reply-To: <1520935055039-0.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1520935055039-0.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: What happened to using your ears to find the station being worked? 73 Bill KC4IM > On Mar 13, 2018, at 5:57 AM, Bill W4ZV wrote: > > Bill Frantz wrote >> But now I need three receivers. Two for diversity and one to scan the >> pileup. > > Get CW Skimmer and enable its "599" function. You don't even need to listen > to the pileup since you can watch for the last "599" in the spectrum display > and move your TX there. Here's a macro I wrote in 2011 with details: > > http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-Pileup-Buster-Macro-td6579405.html > > 73, Bill W4ZV > > > > > -- > Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to kc4atu at hotmail.com From btippett at alum.mit.edu Tue Mar 13 06:18:47 2018 From: btippett at alum.mit.edu (Bill Tippett) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2018 06:18:47 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] New Sub RX In-Reply-To: References: <1520935055039-0.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 6:07 AM, Bill Rowlett wrote: What happened to using your ears to find the station being worked? That works too...but then you truly DO need a third receiver if you want to use diversity on the DX station. I don't know how many truly massive CW pileups you've ever been in but you can spend HOURS when you can spend MINUTES by using CW Skimmer. This comes from an OT who has 385 confirmed overall since 1957. 73, Bill W4ZV From john at kk9a.com Tue Mar 13 07:11:21 2018 From: john at kk9a.com (john at kk9a.com) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2018 07:11:21 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] New Sub RX Message-ID: <1cea0e63bb0c0a0b52d62aeba101ef53.squirrel@www11.qth.com> Wow interesting post Bill! Outside of contests I have not chased DX in decades and I was not aware how high tech it has become. John KK9A W4ZV wrote: Get CW Skimmer and enable its "599" function. You don't even need to listen to the pileup since you can watch for the last "599" in the spectrum display and move your TX there. Here's a macro I wrote in 2011 with details: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-Pileup-Buster-Macro-td6579405.html 73, Bill W4ZV From wb4rfq at gmail.com Tue Mar 13 07:36:47 2018 From: wb4rfq at gmail.com (Daniel Brock) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2018 04:36:47 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] FS: KX3, loaded (Sweden / EU) Message-ID: For sale: Elecraft KX3 s/n 8246, with hand mic, KXFL3 Internal Dual-Passband Roofing Filter, KXAT3 Internal ATU, KXBC3 Internal NiMH Charger. Also includes Pignology secondary CW interface, aftermarket side rails, heat sink, dust cover, power cable. I bought it new in 2015. Selling so I can eventually buy a K3S. 11000 SEK / 1135 USD / 1083 EURO Prefer buyers in Sweden or at least EU to simplify shipping. Photos: https://imgur.com/a/AlAYp From ac5p at sbcglobal.net Tue Mar 13 07:41:49 2018 From: ac5p at sbcglobal.net (Mike Maloney) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2018 11:41:49 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] KXPA100 DC current at 20 50 watts In-Reply-To: <8b0dda7b-877b-e623-005d-fc6d421d6114@comcast.net> References: <8b0dda7b-877b-e623-005d-fc6d421d6114@comcast.net> Message-ID: <12334149.349556.1520941309941@mail.yahoo.com> Interesting readings.? Would have thought KXPA more efficient. ? Is this into dummy load and what frequency was test? 73, Mike AC5P On Monday, March 12, 2018 7:57 AM, Jan wrote: Power readings here in Ypsilanti . . .Using the KX3/PX3/KXPA100 for several years now AND enjoy it very much; including a keyboard into the PX3 for some fun on CW too ~ but mostly use the Navy flame-proof key with SKCC activity (# 6099T) Here are my reading on the METERS on the SEC-1235 power supply? . . . a good power supply . . . At 5W?????? 1.5A? and 14V??????? KX3 alone At 10W??? 3.0A? and 14V??????? KX3 alone At 20W??? 10A?? and 14V??????? KX3 + KXPA100 At 50W??? 15A?? and? 14V????? KX3 + KXPA100 AT 75 W?? 17A?? and 14V????? KX3 + KXPA100 At 100W? 23A? and 14V?????? KX3 + KXPA100 Cheers, Jan? K1ND ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ac5p at sbcglobal.net From btippett at alum.mit.edu Tue Mar 13 08:20:24 2018 From: btippett at alum.mit.edu (Bill W4ZV) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2018 05:20:24 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] New Sub RX In-Reply-To: <1cea0e63bb0c0a0b52d62aeba101ef53.squirrel@www11.qth.com> References: <1cea0e63bb0c0a0b52d62aeba101ef53.squirrel@www11.qth.com> Message-ID: <1520943624272-0.post@n2.nabble.com> john at kk9a.com wrote > I was not aware how high tech it has become. Indeed! It's now possible to work DX you cannot hear with WSJT-FT8 and use Remote Ham Radio to use massive stations anywhere in the US (or world for that matter) from your easy chair. But I still get my thrills from working weak DX on 160 that I hear with my ears (like VU2BGS last night who runs 140W to a 10 meter high vertical!). 73, Bill W4ZV -- Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ From ed.n3cw at gmail.com Tue Mar 13 08:51:30 2018 From: ed.n3cw at gmail.com (Ed G) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2018 08:51:30 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 RS232 Question for Remoterig Users In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5aa7c952.c700370a.413c1.0c8d@mx.google.com> Hello, I am exploring some different options for remote control of a home station. After reviewing the Remoterig RRC-1258 manual, it appears that the cabling to the home station K3 is minimal, basically just a null modem connection from the K3 RS232 port to the Remoterig box. To have a setup that does not require constantly connecting and disconnecting the cable, can I use a Y adapter, assuming that other external RS232 control/polling signals are turned off? The Remoterig box doesn?t have a power on/off switch, so it might be powered up all the time, and I am wondering about potential conflicts should I use a Y cable. --Ed? --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From challinan at gmail.com Tue Mar 13 08:54:36 2018 From: challinan at gmail.com (Chris Hallinan) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2018 08:54:36 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Sub RX stopped working on 20/17 meters In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Well, I have a 20-meter vertical connected directly to the AUX RF input, and a receiving loop connected to RX IN. So unless there is a setting somewhere that somehow disconnects the antennas on 20 and 17, it's simply not working. Noone else has replied. I have placed a call to Elecraft support on this one. Thanks, 73 de K1AY Chris On Mon, Mar 12, 2018 at 9:42 PM, Richard Donner wrote: > Hi > This is my first help idea. Perhaps your sub receiver is not connected > to an active antenna on 17 and 20 meters. > I have done stuff like that and pulled my hair out until I realized the > above. > luck > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to challinan at gmail.com > -- Life is like Linux - it never stands still. From alan at thelamberts.com Tue Mar 13 10:38:47 2018 From: alan at thelamberts.com (Alan Lambert) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2018 10:38:47 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Fault on KPA500 after 300w In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Good news! I swapped out the 1ft jumper for a 20ft jumper and moved the balun.... problem solved! Thanks all for you help! On Mon, Mar 12, 2018 at 7:19 AM, Alan Lambert wrote: > I recently acquired a KP500/KAT500 for use with my Kx3/KXPa100. I know > the person I bought it from well and I am 99.9999% sure it is not an > issue with the amp or tuner. > > I was making some notes (a chart) for input to output power levels, > mostly just to ?get to know? the amp a little better. At the time of > these issues, I was on 80m SSB and the Kat500 was showing 1:1 / 1.2:1. > > The output watts I have listed below are not ?actuals? I?m just > recalling them from memory so may be off a few watts. > > I set the Kx3 to 8w and called ?test test test 1 2 3 kn4bbc? I showed > ~80w out with a 1:1 to 1.2:1 SWR.. GREAT! > > Moved up to 9w and got 100w out? same SWR ? more Great! > > 10w I got 175w same SWR ? sill looking good! > > 11w I got 250w same SWR ? Awesome! > > Now this is where the problem comes in. > > I set to 12w? As I starting calling my ?test test test 1 2 3?? At > first things looked great..I was getting 300w same SWR but then > suddenly I get high SWR followed by ?High Refl? on the KPA5, fault > light comes on and I get warning tones. > > So I tuned the KAT500 again and tried the whole thing again with the > same results. > > Gear wise: > > KX3/Kxpa100 with ATU disabled > KPA500/KAT500. > > Ant1 on Kat500 > 1ft LMR400 jumper > 1:1 ATU Current Balun > 225 > feet of 450 ladder line > a ? wave 80m center fed, inverted V dipole. > Center point is ~90 feet off ground. > > The Balun is a Balun Designs Model 1161 > > The shack is on 2nd floor in middle of the house and has no exterior walls. > > The ladder line starts in the shack, there is about 2 feet of in the > shack then enters my attic space thru and opening in a sheetrock wall. > Inside the attic space there is a long slow, wide loop about 50 feet > long. I was careful to keep it away from metals and it does not cross > itself however some of it is lying on top of plywood. From there its > exits the house in the ridge cap at the tip top of the roof at about > (40 feet off ground) The ladder line then hangs from a rope that runs > from the eve to the tree line about 175 feet away which is where the > center point of the dipole is. In short 175 feet outside 50 feet > inside. > > > Ideas of what my problem might be? > From challinan at gmail.com Tue Mar 13 11:08:51 2018 From: challinan at gmail.com (Chris Hallinan) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2018 11:08:51 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Sub RX stopped working on 20/17 meters In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hmmm. Just made a new discovery. I can get the Sub RX to work on FL2 and FL3, but not FL1 nor FL4. Here is my filter configuration: FILTER Main RX SUB RX FL1 13KHz 2.7KHz FL2 2.7 1.8 FL3 1.8 500Hz FL4 500Hz 250 FL5 250Hz First of, shouldn't these match for proper diversity receive? ie same filter bw in corresponding slots? Second, the SubRX *WORKS* again on 20m with FL2 or FL3 selected, but not FL1 nor FL4. Doesn't seem to matter which filter the Main RX is connected to. I tried all the combinations for Main on CW: FL2,3,4,5 - SubRX only works on FL2/3. Selecting FL1 or FL4 silences the Sub receiver. Chris On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 8:54 AM, Chris Hallinan wrote: > Well, I have a 20-meter vertical connected directly to the AUX RF input, > and a receiving loop connected to RX IN. So unless there is a setting > somewhere that somehow disconnects the antennas on 20 and 17, it's simply > not working. > > Noone else has replied. I have placed a call to Elecraft support on this > one. > > Thanks, > > 73 de K1AY > Chris > > > On Mon, Mar 12, 2018 at 9:42 PM, Richard Donner > wrote: > >> Hi >> This is my first help idea. Perhaps your sub receiver is not >> connected >> to an active antenna on 17 and 20 meters. >> I have done stuff like that and pulled my hair out until I realized the >> above. >> luck >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to challinan at gmail.com >> > > > > -- > Life is like Linux - it never stands still. > > -- Life is like Linux - it never stands still. From k6dgw at foothill.net Tue Mar 13 11:26:49 2018 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred C. Jensen) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2018 08:26:49 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 RS232 Question for Remoterig Users Message-ID: <5pqit772smmu4ecc2j743kt2.1520954809113@email.android.com> No, a Y-cable won't work. I use an A- B switch [Amazon, about $20]. You will also need a USB cable to the PC if you're using a logging program with CAT control. Fred K6DGW Sparks NV Ed G wrote: >Hello, > I am exploring some different options for remote control of a home station. After reviewing the Remoterig RRC-1258 manual, it appears that the cabling to the home station K3 is minimal, basically just a null modem connection from the K3 RS232 port to the Remoterig box. To have a setup that does not require constantly connecting and disconnecting the cable, can I use a Y adapter, assuming that other external RS232 control/polling signals are turned off? The Remoterig box doesn?t have a power on/off switch, so it might be powered up all the time, and I am wondering about potential conflicts should I use a Y cable. >--Ed? > > > > > >--- >This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >https://www.avast.com/antivirus >______________________________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >Message delivered to k6dgw at foothill.net From challinan at gmail.com Tue Mar 13 12:11:23 2018 From: challinan at gmail.com (Chris Hallinan) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2018 12:11:23 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Sub RX stopped working on 20/17 meters In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks Don, According to the K3 Utility, all four filters are enabled for Sub RX for CW, USB and LSB modes. However, I still can only receive on FL2/3. When FL1 or 4 are selected, the Sub RX S-Meter goes to zero and there is no receive on any mode. By now I am quite familiar with the BSET button ;) 73 de K1AY Chris On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 12:00 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > Chris, > > Which filters are enabled for what modes? You can check with K3 Utility. > It would simplify things a bit if you moved the SUB RX filter by one slot > (leaving FL1 empty). > Then change the filter configuration to match using either K3 Utility or > by hand in the menu. > > The thing that is really important is that you enable the filters for the > intended modes. > > The display of FL1-FL5 normally refers to the main RX. Use BSET to > display the filter for the subRX. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 3/13/2018 11:08 AM, Chris Hallinan wrote: > >> Hmmm. >> Just made a new discovery. >> I can get the Sub RX to work on FL2 and FL3, but not FL1 nor FL4. >> >> Here is my filter configuration: >> >> FILTER Main RX SUB RX >> FL1 13KHz 2.7KHz >> FL2 2.7 1.8 >> FL3 1.8 500Hz >> FL4 500Hz 250 >> FL5 250Hz >> >> First of, shouldn't these match for proper diversity receive? ie same >> filter bw in corresponding slots? >> >> Second, the SubRX *WORKS* again on 20m with FL2 or FL3 selected, but not >> FL1 nor FL4. >> >> -- Life is like Linux - it never stands still. From donwilh at embarqmail.com Tue Mar 13 12:00:00 2018 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2018 12:00:00 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Sub RX stopped working on 20/17 meters In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Chris, Which filters are enabled for what modes? You can check with K3 Utility. It would simplify things a bit if you moved the SUB RX filter by one slot (leaving FL1 empty). Then change the filter configuration to match using either K3 Utility or by hand in the menu. The thing that is really important is that you enable the filters for the intended modes. The display of FL1-FL5 normally refers to the main RX. Use BSET to display the filter for the subRX. 73, Don W3FPR On 3/13/2018 11:08 AM, Chris Hallinan wrote: > Hmmm. > Just made a new discovery. > I can get the Sub RX to work on FL2 and FL3, but not FL1 nor FL4. > > Here is my filter configuration: > > FILTER Main RX SUB RX > FL1 13KHz 2.7KHz > FL2 2.7 1.8 > FL3 1.8 500Hz > FL4 500Hz 250 > FL5 250Hz > > First of, shouldn't these match for proper diversity receive? ie same > filter bw in corresponding slots? > > Second, the SubRX *WORKS* again on 20m with FL2 or FL3 selected, but not > FL1 nor FL4. > From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Tue Mar 13 13:08:23 2018 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2018 10:08:23 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] New Sub RX In-Reply-To: <1520943624272-0.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1cea0e63bb0c0a0b52d62aeba101ef53.squirrel@www11.qth.com> <1520943624272-0.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <550f68ce-044e-c36a-2347-b067012d2e39@audiosystemsgroup.com> On 3/13/2018 5:20 AM, Bill W4ZV wrote: > But I still get my thrills from working > weak DX on 160 And I get my thrills from achieving DXCC from a single location, not multiple locations thousands of miles apart. I started over at age 62 when I moved from Chicago to California. 73, Jim K9YC From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Tue Mar 13 13:05:33 2018 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2018 10:05:33 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] New Sub RX In-Reply-To: <1520935055039-0.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1520935055039-0.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: That works fine IF you're a big signal at the DX QTH, but not so well if you're not. When, for example, you're in W6 trying to work AF through EU and the east coast, who are 20 dB louder. For that, you've gotta be a bit smarter. 73, Jim K9YC On 3/13/2018 2:57 AM, Bill W4ZV wrote: > Get CW Skimmer and enable its "599" function. You don't even need to listen > to the pileup since you can watch for the last "599" in the spectrum display > and move your TX there. From no9e at arrl.net Tue Mar 13 13:23:05 2018 From: no9e at arrl.net (Ignacy) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2018 10:23:05 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] New Sub RX In-Reply-To: <550f68ce-044e-c36a-2347-b067012d2e39@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <1cea0e63bb0c0a0b52d62aeba101ef53.squirrel@www11.qth.com> <1520943624272-0.post@n2.nabble.com> <550f68ce-044e-c36a-2347-b067012d2e39@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <1520961785430-0.post@n2.nabble.com> > But I still get my thrills from working > weak DX on 160 that I hear with my ears (like VU2BGS last night who runs > 140W to a 10 meter high vertical!). ^ 73, Bill W4ZV For every DX with a short vertical on 160m there is someone else with 4 square. I heard Bill as ZL/NO9E on 160m last month with $599 FT-891 and he was loud! Ignacy, NO9E -- Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ From btippett at alum.mit.edu Tue Mar 13 13:52:01 2018 From: btippett at alum.mit.edu (Bill W4ZV) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2018 10:52:01 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] New Sub RX In-Reply-To: References: <1520935055039-0.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1520963521790-0.post@n2.nabble.com> Jim Brown-10 wrote > That works fine IF you're a big signal at the DX QTH, but not so well if > you're not. When, for example, you're in W6 trying to work AF through EU > and the east coast, who are 20 dB louder. For that, you've gotta be a > bit smarter. I guess my 30 years in Colorado made me doubly smart, since I had to work through BOTH coasts. :-)) And I never once complained about either. 73, Bill W4ZV -- Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ From rwnewbould at comcast.net Tue Mar 13 14:38:07 2018 From: rwnewbould at comcast.net (Rich) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2018 14:38:07 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Sound Devices Issue Message-ID: <3310bebf-2d99-d408-e965-767ba801f731@comcast.net> I think this issue is Win10 related but this seems to be the place to ask the question. I had my K3 upgraded to the "s" last summer.?? Once Windows created the USB sound device I renamed them to K3 Receive Audio and K3 Transmit Audio.?? Everything was working fine. Last night I was trying to work some RTTY and found that MMTTY was not decoding RTTY.?? After much confusion I realized that Windows (I guess) created another sound device called USB Microphone and it was ignoring the original K3 Receive Audio device which still existed. Has anyone seen this happen? Is there a way to avoid it happening again? Thanks in Advance Rich K3RWN From wb6rse1 at mac.com Tue Mar 13 15:22:25 2018 From: wb6rse1 at mac.com (wb6rse1 at mac.com) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2018 12:22:25 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] New Sub RX In-Reply-To: <1520935055039-0.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1520935055039-0.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: In K3 diversity mode, press and hold the REV button and tune the pile with the Main knob VFO A. Release the REV button and you're back to diversity RX on the desired signal. If you have a P3 it will give you clues on where to scan the pile. GL - Steve WB6RSE On Mar 13, 2018, at 2:57 AM, Bill W4ZV wrote: Bill Frantz wrote > But now I need three receivers. Two for diversity and one to scan the > pileup. From wes_n7ws at triconet.org Tue Mar 13 17:02:54 2018 From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes Stewart) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2018 14:02:54 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] New Sub RX In-Reply-To: References: <1520935055039-0.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: I still use my ears. And I don't use skimmer, automatic tuning via spots, remote stations, etc.? I also have only a single receiver K3S, KPA500 and very modest antennas. (See my QRZ page)? Yet for example in the last few days, I've managed to work XR0YD on all bands and modes they've operated on that count*, except for 40-meter SSB.? (25 of 33 slots) I do have a K-Pod but for me the knob just gets in the way of the buttons and I never use it. * I broke down and worked them on a couple of slots on FT8 just for the heck of it, but I won't claim them. Wes On 3/13/2018 3:07 AM, Bill Rowlett wrote: > What happened to using your ears to find the station being worked? > > 73 Bill KC4IM > From wes_n7ws at triconet.org Tue Mar 13 17:09:09 2018 From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes Stewart) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2018 14:09:09 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Power Creep (again) Message-ID: <0c06db3f-af80-6f65-52a9-f0b87bb973c4@triconet.org> This is an old subject but with a new wrinkle.? Although I'm observing a drift in power on all bands (and modes) after a band or power adjustment, it's ridiculously slow on 17-meters.? It's taking 5-10 seconds to stabilize. Any change, such as switching to another band and back again or a minor change in power starts the process over.? This is particularly annoying on RTTY AFSK A.? (Please no lectures on how Elecraft ALC is different from other radios, I've been running AFSK RTTY for 10 years with K3s.)? Using the KPA500 power graph as an expanded proxy for the K3S output power, I'm seeing a change from about 50 watts to 500 watts after an adjustment. On CW the first dit is about 100W. I reran the power calibration and this appeared to fix it initially but the issue returned.? This was particularly annoying when I was running a digital mode and saw that I was hitting the amp harder than desired.? I tried adjusting power during the transmission and it practically dropped to zero before slowly climbing.? Getting a precise level is difficult. Wes? N7WS From jim at n7us.net Tue Mar 13 17:19:39 2018 From: jim at n7us.net (Jim N7US) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2018 16:19:39 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Power Creep (again) In-Reply-To: <0c06db3f-af80-6f65-52a9-f0b87bb973c4@triconet.org> References: <0c06db3f-af80-6f65-52a9-f0b87bb973c4@triconet.org> Message-ID: <07da01d3bb11$01a5af30$04f10d90$@n7us.net> I had the same problem, plus my output on 160 and 80 was low. I just had the radio back for warranty service, and they turned it around in just a few days. I was very pleased. 73, Jim N7US -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of Wes Stewart Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2018 16:09 To: Elecraft Reflector Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Power Creep (again) This is an old subject but with a new wrinkle. Although I'm observing a drift in power on all bands (and modes) after a band or power adjustment, it's ridiculously slow on 17-meters. It's taking 5-10 seconds to stabilize. Any change, such as switching to another band and back again or a minor change in power starts the process over. This is particularly annoying on RTTY AFSK A. (Please no lectures on how Elecraft ALC is different from other radios, I've been running AFSK RTTY for 10 years with K3s.) Using the KPA500 power graph as an expanded proxy for the K3S output power, I'm seeing a change from about 50 watts to 500 watts after an adjustment. On CW the first dit is about 100W. I reran the power calibration and this appeared to fix it initially but the issue returned. This was particularly annoying when I was running a digital mode and saw that I was hitting the amp harder than desired. I tried adjusting power during the transmission and it practically dropped to zero before slowly climbing. Getting a precise level is difficult. Wes N7WS From ab2tc at arrl.net Tue Mar 13 17:46:19 2018 From: ab2tc at arrl.net (ab2tc) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2018 14:46:19 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Power Creep (again) In-Reply-To: <0c06db3f-af80-6f65-52a9-f0b87bb973c4@triconet.org> References: <0c06db3f-af80-6f65-52a9-f0b87bb973c4@triconet.org> Message-ID: <1520977579427-0.post@n2.nabble.com> Hi all, I have the same problem. Anytime I change something, like band, power or a number of other things, power starts up ridiculously low and creeps *very* slowly up to the 100W mark. Even without changing anything the actual peak power on a transmission can be anywhere between 80 and 120W as indicated by my LP-100A. I am not sure if this is a problem with K3S only. I still have my old K3 but don't use it often enough to know if this is a K3S problem only. I understand Elecraft's policy on not relying on a fast ALC to to control power like most of the big three do (causing IMD), but really, does it have to be this slow? This is on a fairly new K3S which has been back to the factory twice to get the latest upgrades to the transmitter chain. My experience is all SSB with 100W set for the power level. AB2TC - Knut Wes Stewart-2 wrote > This is an old subject but with a new wrinkle.? Although I'm observing a > drift > in power on all bands (and modes) after a band or power adjustment, it's > ridiculously slow on 17-meters.? It's taking 5-10 seconds to stabilize. > > Any change, such as switching to another band and back again or a minor > change > in power starts the process over.? This is particularly annoying on RTTY > AFSK > A.? (Please no lectures on how Elecraft ALC is different from other > radios, I've > been running AFSK RTTY for 10 years with K3s.)? Using the KPA500 power > graph as > an expanded proxy for the K3S output power, I'm seeing a change from about > 50 > watts to 500 watts after an adjustment. On CW the first dit is about 100W. > > I reran the power calibration and this appeared to fix it initially but > the > issue returned.? This was particularly annoying when I was running a > digital > mode and saw that I was hitting the amp harder than desired.? I tried > adjusting > power during the transmission and it practically dropped to zero before > slowly > climbing.? Getting a precise level is difficult. > > Wes? N7WS > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto: > Elecraft at .qth > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to > lists+1215531472858-365791 at .nabble -- Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ From k4to.dave at gmail.com Tue Mar 13 18:12:22 2018 From: k4to.dave at gmail.com (Dave Sublette) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2018 18:12:22 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] New Sub RX In-Reply-To: References: <1520935055039-0.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: I worked the XR0YD on 40M with 5 watts, one call. The KX3 is a cool rig! K4TO On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 5:02 PM, Wes Stewart wrote: > I still use my ears. > > And I don't use skimmer, automatic tuning via spots, remote stations, > etc. I also have only a single receiver K3S, KPA500 and very modest > antennas. (See my QRZ page) Yet for example in the last few days, I've > managed to work XR0YD on all bands and modes they've operated on that > count*, except for 40-meter SSB. (25 of 33 slots) > > I do have a K-Pod but for me the knob just gets in the way of the buttons > and I never use it. > > * I broke down and worked them on a couple of slots on FT8 just for the > heck of it, but I won't claim them. > > Wes > > On 3/13/2018 3:07 AM, Bill Rowlett wrote: > >> What happened to using your ears to find the station being worked? >> >> 73 Bill KC4IM >> >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k4to at arrl.net From dave.w0zf at gmail.com Tue Mar 13 19:24:31 2018 From: dave.w0zf at gmail.com (Dave Fugleberg) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2018 23:24:31 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] New Sub RX In-Reply-To: References: <1520935055039-0.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: I?ve always had a single receiver, modest antennas, and 100 watts, and have worked many of the DXpeditions over the years. However, it seems like it?s getting more difficult lately to figure out the pileups just by listening. I don?t know if it?s the ?constant callers? that keep calling while the DX is working someone else, or the fact that some of the DX is hopping around without a discernible pattern (perhaps clicking on a panadapter to work the station that?s in the clear at that moment). Maybe my skills at reading the pileup are no longer sufficient (not that I have ever been a DX expert). Anyhow, I?m thinking about trying some of these newer ideas like a local skimmer and/or a sub receiver. Just for fun last night, I tried listening to the 3C0W pileup with my KX2, using the ?dual watch? capability that?s built in. I found it was pretty easy to find the station working the DX that way, so maybe a sub receiver for the K3 would be worthwhile. Maybe I?ll have to visit one of my friends who already has the sub to try it out. My main (self-imposed) criteria for DXCC is that I work them with my own station from one location (here in the RF black hole of the Midwest). To each his own I guess! On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 5:12 PM Dave Sublette wrote: > I worked the XR0YD on 40M with 5 watts, one call. The KX3 is a cool rig! > > K4TO > > On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 5:02 PM, Wes Stewart > wrote: > > > I still use my ears. > > > > And I don't use skimmer, automatic tuning via spots, remote stations, > > etc. I also have only a single receiver K3S, KPA500 and very modest > > antennas. (See my QRZ page) Yet for example in the last few days, I've > > managed to work XR0YD on all bands and modes they've operated on that > > count*, except for 40-meter SSB. (25 of 33 slots) > > > > I do have a K-Pod but for me the knob just gets in the way of the buttons > > and I never use it. > > > > * I broke down and worked them on a couple of slots on FT8 just for the > > heck of it, but I won't claim them. > > > > Wes > > > > On 3/13/2018 3:07 AM, Bill Rowlett wrote: > > > >> What happened to using your ears to find the station being worked? > >> > >> 73 Bill KC4IM > >> > >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to k4to at arrl.net > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dave.w0zf at gmail.com > From donwilh at embarqmail.com Tue Mar 13 19:28:44 2018 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2018 19:28:44 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Power Creep (again) In-Reply-To: <1520977579427-0.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <0c06db3f-af80-6f65-52a9-f0b87bb973c4@triconet.org> <1520977579427-0.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <182e3c2c-0f4f-b8d8-5ea7-a0b24beed325@embarqmail.com> One of the causes for that "power creep" when using soundcard data modes (DATA A or AFSK A) is insufficient audio to the K3. The audio level must be adjusted to produce 4 bars solid with the 5th bar flashing on the ALC meter. For voice modes, a similar situation may exist, and with compression set to zero, you need to drive the ALC meter at 5 to 7 bars on the ALC meter when talking in a normal voice. After that you may set the compression to your pleasure. Your situation may have a different cause, but that is the first thing to check. Yes, the Elecraft implementation for power control is like many commercial transceivers, and unlike the "big 3". It does not produce IMD, but depends on having sufficient audio into the transceiver to prevent "power hunting". The rise times to full power you have stated is exceptionally long, so my first suspicion is that you are not driving with sufficient audio. In most cases (of normal operation) the time to full power output is in milliseconds. 73, Don W3FPR On 3/13/2018 5:46 PM, ab2tc wrote: > Hi all, > > I have the same problem. Anytime I change something, like band, power or a > number of other things, power starts up ridiculously low and creeps *very* > slowly up to the 100W mark. Even without changing anything the actual peak > power on a transmission can be anywhere between 80 and 120W as indicated by > my LP-100A. I am not sure if this is a problem with K3S only. I still have > my old K3 but don't use it often enough to know if this is a K3S problem > only. I understand Elecraft's policy on not relying on a fast ALC to to > control power like most of the big three do (causing IMD), but really, does > it have to be this slow? This is on a fairly new K3S which has been back to > the factory twice to get the latest upgrades to the transmitter chain. My > experience is all SSB with 100W set for the power level. > > AB2TC - Knut > > > > Wes Stewart-2 wrote >> This is an old subject but with a new wrinkle.? Although I'm observing a >> drift >> in power on all bands (and modes) after a band or power adjustment, it's >> ridiculously slow on 17-meters.? It's taking 5-10 seconds to stabilize. >> >> Any change, such as switching to another band and back again or a minor >> change >> in power starts the process over.? This is particularly annoying on RTTY >> AFSK >> A.? (Please no lectures on how Elecraft ALC is different from other >> radios, I've >> been running AFSK RTTY for 10 years with K3s.)? Using the KPA500 power >> graph as >> an expanded proxy for the K3S output power, I'm seeing a change from about >> 50 >> watts to 500 watts after an adjustment. On CW the first dit is about 100W. >> >> I reran the power calibration and this appeared to fix it initially but >> the >> issue returned.? This was particularly annoying when I was running a >> digital >> mode and saw that I was hitting the amp harder than desired.? I tried >> adjusting >> power during the transmission and it practically dropped to zero before >> slowly >> climbing.? Getting a precise level is difficult. >> >> Wes? N7WS >> >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto: > >> Elecraft at .qth > >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to > >> lists+1215531472858-365791 at .nabble > > > > > > -- > Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to donwilh at embarqmail.com > From ve2fww at globetrotter.net Tue Mar 13 19:34:18 2018 From: ve2fww at globetrotter.net (NOEL POULIN) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2018 19:34:18 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 AND FILTERS Message-ID: <99f560fb-d782-3a62-e1d0-1cb2cbf50306@globetrotter.net> Hello I wonder if the optional 'roofing filters' is added to the KX3 if that effects the I/Q output bandwidth? Thanks very much Noel From donwilh at embarqmail.com Tue Mar 13 19:42:13 2018 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2018 19:42:13 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] New Sub RX In-Reply-To: References: <1520935055039-0.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <7efe42eb-06b0-558b-0b4a-beee5859f06d@embarqmail.com> Dave, Yes, you will find the SubRX will be a benefit for working DX - similar to the dual watch on the KX2 - although the K3/K3X subRX will provide a lot more capability, monitoring other bands with the subRX (with VFO IND menu set on is just one 'for instance'). The P3 also adds another layer of helpfulness for DX or contesting operation. It helps you to know where and when to transmit when trying to snag that elusive DX station. 73, Don W3FPR On 3/13/2018 7:24 PM, Dave Fugleberg wrote: > I?ve always had a single receiver, modest antennas, and 100 watts, and have > worked many of the DXpeditions over the years. However, it seems like it?s > getting more difficult lately to figure out the pileups just by listening. > I don?t know if it?s the ?constant callers? that keep calling while the DX > is working someone else, or the fact that some of the DX is hopping around > without a discernible pattern (perhaps clicking on a panadapter to work the > station that?s in the clear at that moment). Maybe my skills at reading the > pileup are no longer sufficient (not that I have ever been a DX expert). > Anyhow, I?m thinking about trying some of these newer ideas like a local > skimmer and/or a sub receiver. > Just for fun last night, I tried listening to the 3C0W pileup with my KX2, > using the ?dual watch? capability that?s built in. I found it was pretty > easy to find the station working the DX that way, so maybe a sub receiver > for the K3 would be worthwhile. > Maybe I?ll have to visit one of my friends who already has the sub to try > it out. From w0cz at i29.net Tue Mar 13 19:56:48 2018 From: w0cz at i29.net (Kenneth Christiansen) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2018 18:56:48 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Power Creep (again) Message-ID: Power Creep I bet each one of you that has this problem has one defective output power transistor. The remaining transistor can reach full power but it takes a while. Talk to Elecraft service and ask them if they think that is your problem and if it is then make arrangements to get it fixed. Good luck and hope this can fix your problems. 73 Ken W0CZ Sent from my iPad > On Mar 13, 2018, at 4:19 PM, Jim N7US wrote: > From donwilh at embarqmail.com Tue Mar 13 19:59:25 2018 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2018 19:59:25 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 AND FILTERS In-Reply-To: <99f560fb-d782-3a62-e1d0-1cb2cbf50306@globetrotter.net> References: <99f560fb-d782-3a62-e1d0-1cb2cbf50306@globetrotter.net> Message-ID: <3fd072ed-c51b-5ec5-d738-6be6cfd16c58@embarqmail.com> Noel, The 'roofing filters' do not impact the I/Q output. 73, Don W3FPR On 3/13/2018 7:34 PM, NOEL POULIN wrote: > Hello > I wonder if the optional 'roofing filters' is added to the KX3 if that > effects the I/Q output bandwidth? From donwilh at embarqmail.com Tue Mar 13 20:03:58 2018 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2018 20:03:58 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Sound Devices Issue In-Reply-To: <3310bebf-2d99-d408-e965-767ba801f731@comcast.net> References: <3310bebf-2d99-d408-e965-767ba801f731@comcast.net> Message-ID: <0ac1f0f1-1e86-ffd1-db76-85cf78c66c75@embarqmail.com> The only way I can think of to avoid problems like that is to disable Windows updates. Yes, this is a computer related situation, and not a K3S situation. 73, Don W3FPR On 3/13/2018 2:38 PM, Rich wrote: > I think this issue is Win10 related but this seems to be the place to > ask the question. > > I had my K3 upgraded to the "s" last summer.?? Once Windows created the > USB sound device I renamed them to K3 Receive Audio and K3 Transmit > Audio.?? Everything was working fine. > > Last night I was trying to work some RTTY and found that MMTTY was not > decoding RTTY.?? After much confusion I realized that Windows (I guess) > created another sound device called USB Microphone and it was ignoring > the original K3 Receive Audio device which still existed. > > Has anyone seen this happen? > > Is there a way to avoid it happening again? From marvwheeler at nwlink.com Tue Mar 13 21:25:23 2018 From: marvwheeler at nwlink.com (marvwheeler at nwlink.com) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2018 18:25:23 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Power Creep (again) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000001d3bb33$533dc680$f9b95380$@nwlink.com> I had the problem of power creep and the fix was just as described. Adjusting the drive to the transmitter fixed it. -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of Kenneth Christiansen Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2018 4:57 PM To: Jim N7US Cc: Wes Stewart ; Elecraft Reflector Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S Power Creep (again) Power Creep I bet each one of you that has this problem has one defective output power transistor. The remaining transistor can reach full power but it takes a while. Talk to Elecraft service and ask them if they think that is your problem and if it is then make arrangements to get it fixed. Good luck and hope this can fix your problems. 73 Ken W0CZ Sent from my iPad > On Mar 13, 2018, at 4:19 PM, Jim N7US wrote: > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to marvwheeler at nwlink.com From rwnewbould at comcast.net Tue Mar 13 21:40:50 2018 From: rwnewbould at comcast.net (Rich) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2018 21:40:50 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Sound Devices Issue In-Reply-To: <0ac1f0f1-1e86-ffd1-db76-85cf78c66c75@embarqmail.com> References: <3310bebf-2d99-d408-e965-767ba801f731@comcast.net> <0ac1f0f1-1e86-ffd1-db76-85cf78c66c75@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <28ae7215-9959-0443-9e06-8e847893b1b4@comcast.net> Thank you.? I never even thought about Win updates. Rich On 3/13/2018 20:03 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > The only way I can think of to avoid problems like that is to disable > Windows updates. > > Yes, this is a computer related situation, and not a K3S situation. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 3/13/2018 2:38 PM, Rich wrote: >> I think this issue is Win10 related but this seems to be the place to >> ask the question. >> >> I had my K3 upgraded to the "s" last summer.?? Once Windows created >> the USB sound device I renamed them to K3 Receive Audio and K3 >> Transmit Audio.?? Everything was working fine. >> >> Last night I was trying to work some RTTY and found that MMTTY was >> not decoding RTTY.?? After much confusion I realized that Windows (I >> guess) created another sound device called USB Microphone and it was >> ignoring the original K3 Receive Audio device which still existed. >> >> Has anyone seen this happen? >> >> Is there a way to avoid it happening again? > From frantz at pwpconsult.com Wed Mar 14 00:48:37 2018 From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2018 21:48:37 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] New Sub RX In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I must admit, I tend to use my eyes on the P3 and then confirm what I see by listening on the sub-receiver. Of course, when the DX is very weak, I need diversity to be able to hear him, hence the 3rd receiver. My standard DXing pose is eyes glued to the P3, looking for the last caller and for open spaces to squeeze in a signal. Just going to the frequency of the last caller doesn't work really well because everyone else is there. 73 Bill AE6JV On 3/13/18 at 3:18 AM, btippett at alum.mit.edu (Bill Tippett) wrote: >On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 6:07 AM, Bill Rowlett wrote: > >What happened to using your ears to find the station being worked? > > >That works too...but then you truly DO need a third receiver if you want to >use diversity on the DX station. I don't know how many truly massive CW >pileups you've ever been in but you can spend HOURS when you can spend >MINUTES by using CW Skimmer. This comes from an OT who has 385 confirmed >overall since 1957. > >73, Bill W4ZV ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz | I like the farmers' market | Periwinkle (408)356-8506 | because I can get fruits and | 16345 Englewood Ave www.pwpconsult.com | vegetables without stickers. | Los Gatos, CA 95032 From wes_n7ws at triconet.org Wed Mar 14 01:24:46 2018 From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes Stewart) Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2018 22:24:46 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] New Sub RX In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: None of this works when the DX stations remove all possibility of skill making a difference when they have zero pattern to their operation.? It's as if they randomly spin the dial after every QSO and if you happen to be lucky (and strong) they hear you. Otherwise, you can spend hours of wasted time.? A couple of west African DXpeditions currently operating leap to mind. OTOH, TN5R was very predicable on 160 about an hour ago and I worked him with my modest station for a new one. Wes? N7WS On 3/13/2018 9:48 PM, Bill Frantz wrote: > I must admit, I tend to use my eyes on the P3 and then confirm what I see by > listening on the sub-receiver. Of course, when the DX is very weak, I need > diversity to be able to hear him, hence the 3rd receiver. > > My standard DXing pose is eyes glued to the P3, looking for the last caller > and for open spaces to squeeze in a signal. Just going to the frequency of the > last caller doesn't work really well because everyone else is there. > > 73 Bill AE6JV > > On 3/13/18 at 3:18 AM, btippett at alum.mit.edu (Bill Tippett) wrote: > >> On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 6:07 AM, Bill Rowlett wrote: >> >> What happened to using your ears to find the station being worked? >> >> >> That works too...but then you truly DO need a third receiver if you want to >> use diversity on the DX station.? I don't know how many truly massive CW >> pileups you've ever been in but you can spend HOURS when you can spend >> MINUTES by using CW Skimmer.? This comes from an OT who has 385 confirmed >> overall since 1957. >> >> 73,? Bill? W4ZV > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Bill Frantz??????? | I like the farmers' market?? | Periwinkle > (408)356-8506????? | because I can get fruits and | 16345 Englewood Ave > www.pwpconsult.com | vegetables without stickers. | Los Gatos, CA 95032 > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wes_n7ws at triconet.org > From ve2fww at globetrotter.net Wed Mar 14 07:11:08 2018 From: ve2fww at globetrotter.net (NOEL POULIN) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2018 07:11:08 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] kx3 and krc2 problem Message-ID: <982f9dbd-c019-3e88-ac26-ed219a6264de@globetrotter.net> Hello everyone Have received my new KX3 yesterday... I am trying to connect the Elecraft KRC2 Band decoder to this KX3..Nothing is working. Baud rate on the kx3 is set to 38400..... I have tried this same decoder on my K3S and it is working perfect without changing anything . But when this krc2 is connected to the kx3....no joy....nothing... Tried changing baud rate on the kx3.....nothing...decoder not working.... The KRC2 UTILITY can talk to the krc2 but only at 4800 baud...... What else could I TRY to make this krc2 working with the kx3 the same way it's working with the k3s.... By the way, anybody? knows a band decoder that works with this kx3??? Thanks very much Noel From w4jz at bellsouth.net Wed Mar 14 08:56:34 2018 From: w4jz at bellsouth.net (Reed) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2018 07:56:34 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Dish/Direct TV RFI? Message-ID: Has anyone had trouble with RFI, receive or transmit, with Dish or Direct TV.? I have cable through Comcast & tired of their rate increases so thought I give satellite a try since looks like more bang for the buck. Thanks, Reed? W4JZ From donwilh at embarqmail.com Wed Mar 14 10:12:18 2018 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2018 10:12:18 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] kx3 and krc2 problem In-Reply-To: <982f9dbd-c019-3e88-ac26-ed219a6264de@globetrotter.net> References: <982f9dbd-c019-3e88-ac26-ed219a6264de@globetrotter.net> Message-ID: Noel, How are you connecting the KRC2 to the K3S? If you are using the AUXBUS mode with the K3S, that same KRC2 configuration will not work with the KX3 (no external AUXBUS connection in the KX3). You must configure the jumpers in the KRC2 to extract the band data from the serial port data. Study the KRC2 Jumper Configuration information on page 20 of the KRC2 manual. The baud rate of the KX3 and the KRC2 must match, and the KRC2 will only go up to 19200 baud. Set the W7 and W8 jumpers in the KRC2 to whatever baud rate you choose - see page 20 of the KRC2 manual. Are you using a computer application like a logger that polls the KX3 for frequency information? If no computer to do that, have you set the KX3 AUTO INF menu (Tech mode must be on to see it) to "1"? That is necessary to send band information to any band decoder. I think you are the first to try the KRC2 with the KX3, so do keep us posted on how you make out. 73, Don W3FPR On 3/14/2018 7:11 AM, NOEL POULIN wrote: > Hello everyone > Have received my new KX3 yesterday... > I am trying to connect the Elecraft KRC2 Band decoder to this > KX3..Nothing is working. > Baud rate on the kx3 is set to 38400..... > I have tried this same decoder on my K3S and it is working perfect > without changing anything . > But when this krc2 is connected to the kx3....no joy....nothing... From k2dt at arrl.net Wed Mar 14 10:29:02 2018 From: k2dt at arrl.net (Wayne Carlson) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2018 07:29:02 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Dish/Direct TV RFI? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <003701d3bba0$cd798110$686c8330$@net> I tracked down some receive RFI to a Dish Joey Ethernet connection. Unplugging the cable and switching it to use WiFi instead resolved it. 73, Wayne K2DT -----Original Message----- Has anyone had trouble with RFI, receive or transmit, with Dish or Direct TV. I have cable through Comcast & tired of their rate increases so thought I give satellite a try since looks like more bang for the buck. Thanks, Reed W4JZ From john at johnjeanantiqueradio.com Wed Mar 14 10:37:54 2018 From: john at johnjeanantiqueradio.com (John K9UWA) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2018 10:37:54 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Dish/Direct TV RFI? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5AA933C2.18645.41AA6EE@john.johnjeanantiqueradio.com> Hi Reed YES ! DirecTV receivers are horrible racket makers. #1 I built a new power cord for the receivers wired into a 12V ASTRON regulated 12v supply. No More Switcher Wall Warts allowed at my QTH. #2 The HDMI cable from the Rcvr to the TV set has 12 turns through a stack of TWO of the 2.4" diameter Ferrite #31 mix cores. Several other 12v devices are also connected to that same Astron supply. Modem, Router etc. Now that rcvr is quiet. John k9uwa > Has anyone had trouble with RFI, receive or transmit, with Dish or > Direct TV.? I have cable through Comcast & tired of their rate increases > so thought I give satellite a try since looks like more bang for the buck. > > Thanks, > > Reed? W4JZ > > ______________________________________________________________ John Goller, K9UWA & Jean Goller, N9PXF Antique Radio Restorations k9uwa at arrl.net Visit our Web Site at: http://www.JohnJeanAntiqueRadio.com 4836 Ranch Road Leo, IN 46765 USA 1-260-637-6426 From timk9wx at gmail.com Wed Mar 14 10:40:48 2018 From: timk9wx at gmail.com (Tim Gennett) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2018 10:40:48 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Deactivate the sub receiver Message-ID: There's a possibility my K3 may be used in a multi op setting where many of the users would not be familiar with the K3. I'm trying to think of ways to simplify the operation so that those not familiar with the controls don't accidentally put it into some dysfunctional configuration. Specifically, is there a way to disable the sub receiver? I looked for something in the Config menu but did not find anything relevant. I suppose I could remove it but that seems drastic. Any other simplification suggestions? Tim K9WX From nr4c at widomaker.com Wed Mar 14 10:53:38 2018 From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2018 10:53:38 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Deactivate the sub receiver In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: In config set to not installed. But I don?t think you have to remove it. Sent from my iPhone ...nr4c. bill > On Mar 14, 2018, at 10:40 AM, Tim Gennett wrote: > > There's a possibility my K3 may be used in a multi op setting where many of > the users would not be familiar with the K3. I'm trying to think of ways > to simplify the operation so that those not familiar with the controls > don't accidentally put it into some dysfunctional configuration. > > Specifically, is there a way to disable the sub receiver? I looked for > something in the Config menu but did not find anything relevant. > > I suppose I could remove it but that seems drastic. > > Any other simplification suggestions? > > Tim K9WX > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to nr4c at widomaker.com From john at kk9a.com Wed Mar 14 11:28:13 2018 From: john at kk9a.com (john at kk9a.com) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2018 11:28:13 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Dish/Direct TV RFI? Message-ID: <52dc2e389789991594ab1ea54935ec9c.squirrel@www11.qth.com> I have Dish and there is no interference to it when transmitting on the HF bands. During heavy rain storms there is occasional signal loss and I suppose if you live in areas with a lot of snow you could have similar issues. John KK9A Reed w4jz wrote: Wed Mar 14 08:56:34 EDT 2018 Has anyone had trouble with RFI, receive or transmit, with Dish or Direct TV. I have cable through Comcast & tired of their rate increases so thought I give satellite a try since looks like more bang for the buck. Thanks, Reed W4JZ From jtmiller47 at gmail.com Wed Mar 14 11:36:47 2018 From: jtmiller47 at gmail.com (Jim Miller) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2018 11:36:47 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Dish/Direct TV RFI? In-Reply-To: <52dc2e389789991594ab1ea54935ec9c.squirrel@www11.qth.com> References: <52dc2e389789991594ab1ea54935ec9c.squirrel@www11.qth.com> Message-ID: <1A4E74EF-D936-4461-91F0-4E5BC48BAD6E@gmail.com> Satellite will give tv but what about internet upload download speeds latency and jitter? On Mar 14, 2018, at 11:28 AM, "john at kk9a.com" wrote: I have Dish and there is no interference to it when transmitting on the HF bands. During heavy rain storms there is occasional signal loss and I suppose if you live in areas with a lot of snow you could have similar issues. John KK9A Reed w4jz wrote: Wed Mar 14 08:56:34 EDT 2018 Has anyone had trouble with RFI, receive or transmit, with Dish or Direct TV. I have cable through Comcast & tired of their rate increases so thought I give satellite a try since looks like more bang for the buck. Thanks, Reed W4JZ ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to jim at jtmiller.com From elecraftcovers at gmail.com Wed Mar 14 11:47:01 2018 From: elecraftcovers at gmail.com (Rose) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2018 15:47:01 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Dish/Direct TV RFI? In-Reply-To: <52dc2e389789991594ab1ea54935ec9c.squirrel@www11.qth.com> References: <52dc2e389789991594ab1ea54935ec9c.squirrel@www11.qth.com> Message-ID: We have Direct ... Heavy WX between here and satellite can occasionally block signal, but not often enough to be significant. Snow on dish / feed can be an occasional problem. Mine can be reached w/10' piece of plastic pipe to dislodge snow and is almost a necessity. No RFI issues all. FWIW 73! K0PP On Wed, Mar 14, 2018, 09:30 john at kk9a.com wrote: > I have Dish and there is no interference to it when transmitting on the HF > bands. During heavy rain storms there is occasional signal loss and I > suppose if you live in areas with a lot of snow you could have similar > issues. > > John KK9A > > Reed w4jz wrote: > Wed Mar 14 08:56:34 EDT 2018 > > Has anyone had trouble with RFI, receive or transmit, with Dish or > Direct TV. I have cable through Comcast & tired of their rate increases > so thought I give satellite a try since looks like more bang for the buck. > > Thanks, > > Reed W4JZ > > From radiok4ia at gmail.com Wed Mar 14 11:53:23 2018 From: radiok4ia at gmail.com (Buck) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2018 11:53:23 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Power Creep (again) In-Reply-To: <1520977579427-0.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <0c06db3f-af80-6f65-52a9-f0b87bb973c4@triconet.org> <1520977579427-0.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: I have had the same experience running FT8. Buck, k4ia Honor Roll 8BDXCC EasyWayHamBooks.com On 3/13/2018 5:46 PM, ab2tc wrote: > Hi all, > > I have the same problem. Anytime I change something, like band, power or a > number of other things, power starts up ridiculously low and creeps *very* > slowly up to the 100W mark. Even without changing anything the actual peak > power on a transmission can be anywhere between 80 and 120W as indicated by > my LP-100A. I am not sure if this is a problem with K3S only. I still have > my old K3 but don't use it often enough to know if this is a K3S problem > only. I understand Elecraft's policy on not relying on a fast ALC to to > control power like most of the big three do (causing IMD), but really, does > it have to be this slow? This is on a fairly new K3S which has been back to > the factory twice to get the latest upgrades to the transmitter chain. My > experience is all SSB with 100W set for the power level. > > AB2TC - Knut > > > > Wes Stewart-2 wrote >> This is an old subject but with a new wrinkle.? Although I'm observing a >> drift >> in power on all bands (and modes) after a band or power adjustment, it's >> ridiculously slow on 17-meters.? It's taking 5-10 seconds to stabilize. >> >> Any change, such as switching to another band and back again or a minor >> change >> in power starts the process over.? This is particularly annoying on RTTY >> AFSK >> A.? (Please no lectures on how Elecraft ALC is different from other >> radios, I've >> been running AFSK RTTY for 10 years with K3s.)? Using the KPA500 power >> graph as >> an expanded proxy for the K3S output power, I'm seeing a change from about >> 50 >> watts to 500 watts after an adjustment. On CW the first dit is about 100W. >> >> I reran the power calibration and this appeared to fix it initially but >> the >> issue returned.? This was particularly annoying when I was running a >> digital >> mode and saw that I was hitting the amp harder than desired.? I tried >> adjusting >> power during the transmission and it practically dropped to zero before >> slowly >> climbing.? Getting a precise level is difficult. >> >> Wes? N7WS >> >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto: > >> Elecraft at .qth > >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to > >> lists+1215531472858-365791 at .nabble > > > > > > -- > Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to radiok4ia at gmail.com > From k3wjv at yahoo.com Wed Mar 14 12:06:58 2018 From: k3wjv at yahoo.com (Bill Stravinsky) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2018 16:06:58 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] Switching RX ant between ports References: <65159859.301012.1521043618279.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <65159859.301012.1521043618279@mail.yahoo.com> All this talk about how great Diversity is had me wondering, but when I try it out I realized I had to move the receiving antenna to the Aux RF jack. The Kady boom mentions using an RF splitter to allow the receive antgenna to be used for both purposes. What have other members of the list used for this purpose?? Seems like a fairly broadband, low noise amp would do pretty well. 73 de Chuck, WS1L I use a 2 position switch to send the rx antenna to the AUX or RX ant in jacks.? Its on the wall out of the way but easily accessible.I don't even label it.? It corresponds to the back of the K3.? Left is RX in and right is AUX. BillK3WJV From k6dgw at foothill.net Wed Mar 14 12:37:36 2018 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2018 09:37:36 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Dish/Direct TV RFI? In-Reply-To: <5AA933C2.18645.41AA6EE@john.johnjeanantiqueradio.com> References: <5AA933C2.18645.41AA6EE@john.johnjeanantiqueradio.com> Message-ID: <7819c3e7-bd83-19d9-7816-54cdf9ec3ec5@foothill.net> John described RFI from the wall wart switching supply and such supplies are both notorious RFI generators and are ubiquitous.? Our DirecTV receiver/DVR is completely quiet on HF and as far as I can test, on VHF and UHF as well.? I've never interfered with it on any band, even when I was running 1200 watts. Regarding satellite internet, the unmanned spaceship is about 38,600 km away in the southern sky, so there is a significant LOS delay on top of all the usual processing and routing delays. This can make most forms of remote control problematic.? We had a neighbor who worked for HP, often at home via a VPN, and the satellite internet did not work for him. You might see if there is a local wireless provider.? I hosted a couple of RAP's for the local provider when we lived in rural NorCal and got free, 50 Mbps both ways in return.? Unfortunately, such service is usually unavailable in more densely populated areas where cable and DSL is available. Really heavy rain will kill the satellite signal [Ku-band, I think] as will snow on the feed horns and in the dish.? I can get to our dish from the ground with a broom.? If you live in an area with significant snow, you might want to make sure the dish is accessible.? I've wondered about some heating tape on the back of the dish but haven't done anything yet. 73, Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW Sparks NV DM09dn Washoe County On 3/14/2018 7:37 AM, John K9UWA wrote: > Hi Reed > > YES ! DirecTV receivers are horrible racket makers. > #1 I built a new power cord for the receivers wired into a 12V ASTRON regulated > 12v supply. No More Switcher Wall Warts allowed at my QTH. > > #2 The HDMI cable from the Rcvr to the TV set has 12 turns through a stack of > TWO of the 2.4" diameter Ferrite #31 mix cores. > > Several other 12v devices are also connected to that same Astron supply. > Modem, Router etc. Now that rcvr is quiet. > > John k9uwa > >> Has anyone had trouble with RFI, receive or transmit, with Dish or >> Direct TV.? I have cable through Comcast & tired of their rate increases >> so thought I give satellite a try since looks like more bang for the buck. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Reed? W4JZ >> >> ______________________________________________________________ > > John Goller, K9UWA & Jean Goller, N9PXF > Antique Radio Restorations > k9uwa at arrl.net > Visit our Web Site at: > http://www.JohnJeanAntiqueRadio.com > 4836 Ranch Road > Leo, IN 46765 > USA > 1-260-637-6426 > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k6dgw at foothill.net > From kengkopp at gmail.com Wed Mar 14 12:53:09 2018 From: kengkopp at gmail.com (Ken G Kopp) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2018 16:53:09 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Dish/Direct TV RFI? Message-ID: Fred speaks the truth, and is correct. K0PP - Direct TV via satellite subscriber. Our DirecTV receiver/DVR is completely quiet on HF and as far as I can test, on VHF > and UHF as well. I've never interfered with it on any band, even when I > was running 1200 watts. > > Regarding satellite internet, the unmanned spaceship is about 38,600 km > away in the southern sky, so there is a significant LOS delay on top of > all the usual processing and routing delays. This can make most forms of > remote control problematic. We had a neighbor who worked for HP, often > at home via a VPN, and the satellite internet did not work for him. > > You might see if there is a local wireless provider. I hosted a couple > of RAP's for the local provider when we lived in rural NorCal and got > free, 50 Mbps both ways in return. Unfortunately, such service is > usually unavailable in more densely populated areas where cable and DSL > is available. > > Really heavy rain will kill the satellite signal [Ku-band, I think] as > will snow on the feed horns and in the dish. I can get to our dish from > the ground with a broom. If you live in an area with significant snow, > you might want to make sure the dish is accessible. I've wondered about > some heating tape on the back of the dish but haven't done anything yet. > > 73, > > Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW > Sparks, NV From kl7uw at acsalaska.net Wed Mar 14 13:48:49 2018 From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2018 09:48:49 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Dish/Direct TV RFI? Message-ID: <201803141748.w2EHmpKn017100@mail41c28.carrierzone.com> None seen here! Had had both Dish-Net and Direct-TV. Old 1.8m dish was mounted about 30-foot from my 16-foot eme dish where I run 125w on 1296. No problems even with big dish pointed at the sat-TV dish. My HF antennas are above the ham shack which other side of bedroom wall from 46-inch Samsung TV (which uses home theater system). 6m does get into the subwoofer (audio rectification) when I run 80w+ (my wife just turns off the subwoofer if I am on 6m). I tried wrapping audio cables thru a big ferrite donut (no help). New 1.2m dish on the roof is about 40-feet away from my HF tower: Hygain tribander and 80/40m inverted-V. My 630m inverted-L wire passes over the dish about 20-feet above it. I have both K3 and KX3, Once you go with satellite-TV you will never chose cable again. They aren't perfect but the local dealer gets out pretty fast if you have tech problems. We mainly use sat-TV for watching local news&wx (Anchorage - 70mi North of us) and network programs (NBC, ABC, CBS, PBS) which are linked from local stations thru the satellite. Now that air broadcasts are digital, signal is too weak to use a TV antenna (I'd rather use tall towers for ham radio). Both Dish-Net and Direct-TV receive near 11-GHz microwave so are pretty much insensitive to most ham frequencies (I currently operate up to 1296). 73, Ed - KL7UW ------------------------------------------------- From: Reed To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] Dish/Direct TV RFI? Has anyone had trouble with RFI, receive or transmit, with Dish or Direct TV.? I have cable through Comcast & tired of their rate increases so thought I give satellite a try since looks like more bang for the buck. Thanks, Reed? W4JZ 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com Dubus-NA Business mail: dubususa at gmail.com From frantz at pwpconsult.com Wed Mar 14 14:13:08 2018 From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2018 11:13:08 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] New Sub RX In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I'm going to try to think like an op on a DXpedition, which is hard since I've never been one. I do know that what happens whenever I finish a QSO is an impenetrable wall of sound because there are at least 6 stations, all on that last frequency. Assume I'm operating split with VFO B locked on my transmit frequency. Particularly if I am using automation to send my "TU DX1STA UP" response, I could spend the time that message is being sent, tuning the receiver in my radio to pick a track on the waterfall in a far corner of the pileup. I can now start listening where I might hear something quickly and keep my rate up. I do remember one of the big DXpeditions writing on their web site something to the effect of, "Just stay in one place. We'll find you." Of course, with low power and lots of strong stations nearer to the DX, that formula means a long slog. 73 Bill AE6JV On 3/13/18 at 10:24 PM, wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes Stewart) wrote: >None of this works when the DX stations remove all possibility >of skill making a difference when they have zero pattern to >their operation.? It's as if they randomly spin the dial after >every QSO and if you happen to be lucky (and strong) they hear >you. Otherwise, you can spend hours of wasted time.? A couple >of west African DXpeditions currently operating leap to mind. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz | Truth and love must prevail | Periwinkle (408)356-8506 | over lies and hate. | 16345 Englewood Ave www.pwpconsult.com | - Vaclav Havel | Los Gatos, CA 95032 From dave at nk7z.net Wed Mar 14 14:16:44 2018 From: dave at nk7z.net (Dave Cole (NK7Z)) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2018 11:16:44 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Dish/Direct TV RFI? In-Reply-To: <52dc2e389789991594ab1ea54935ec9c.squirrel@www11.qth.com> References: <52dc2e389789991594ab1ea54935ec9c.squirrel@www11.qth.com> Message-ID: <8af1d91c-ef79-87e0-7639-d6a443ca50b2@nk7z.net> If anyone has an SDR, or P3 image of Direct TV RFI I would love an image of it for my RFI Snapshot page at: https://www.nk7z.net/rfi-snapshots/ Please send it OFF LIST if you would. 73s and thanks, Dave NK7Z https://www.nk7z.net On 03/14/2018 08:28 AM, john at kk9a.com wrote: > I have Dish and there is no interference to it when transmitting on the HF > bands. During heavy rain storms there is occasional signal loss and I > suppose if you live in areas with a lot of snow you could have similar > issues. > > John KK9A > > Reed w4jz wrote: > Wed Mar 14 08:56:34 EDT 2018 > > Has anyone had trouble with RFI, receive or transmit, with Dish or > Direct TV. I have cable through Comcast & tired of their rate increases > so thought I give satellite a try since looks like more bang for the buck. > > Thanks, > > Reed W4JZ > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dave at nk7z.net > From ts2018 at sy-edm.com Wed Mar 14 14:21:30 2018 From: ts2018 at sy-edm.com (a45wg) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2018 22:21:30 +0400 Subject: [Elecraft] New Sub RX In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <290D9F2E-EF6E-43C4-B765-E46E6739558B@sy-edm.com> With respect to Bill, in contests - there is no UP - There is QRZ ?? but up UP !! When life Gets tough in contests - Turn the Yagi AWAY ! - Hitt ATT -Reduce Power Regards Tim, A45WG > On Mar 14, 2018, at 10:13 PM, Bill Frantz wrote: > > I'm going to try to think like an op on a DXpedition, which is hard since I've never been one. I do know that what happens whenever I finish a QSO is an impenetrable wall of sound because there are at least 6 stations, all on that last frequency. Assume I'm operating split with VFO B locked on my transmit frequency. Particularly if I am using automation to send my "TU DX1STA UP" response, I could spend the time that message is being sent, tuning the receiver in my radio to pick a track on the waterfall in a far corner of the pileup. I can now start listening where I might hear something quickly and keep my rate up. > > I do remember one of the big DXpeditions writing on their web site something to the effect of, "Just stay in one place. We'll find you." Of course, with low power and lots of strong stations nearer to the DX, that formula means a long slog. > > 73 Bill AE6JV > > On 3/13/18 at 10:24 PM, wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes Stewart) wrote: > >> None of this works when the DX stations remove all possibility of skill making a difference when they have zero pattern to their operation. It's as if they randomly spin the dial after every QSO and if you happen to be lucky (and strong) they hear you. Otherwise, you can spend hours of wasted time. A couple of west African DXpeditions currently operating leap to mind. > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Bill Frantz | Truth and love must prevail | Periwinkle > (408)356-8506 | over lies and hate. | 16345 Englewood Ave > www.pwpconsult.com | - Vaclav Havel | Los Gatos, CA 95032 > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to a45wg at sy-edm.com From wb6rse1 at mac.com Wed Mar 14 14:33:09 2018 From: wb6rse1 at mac.com (wb6rse1 at mac.com) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2018 11:33:09 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Switching RX ant between ports In-Reply-To: <65159859.301012.1521043618279@mail.yahoo.com> References: <65159859.301012.1521043618279.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <65159859.301012.1521043618279@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I've used a switch and a magic "T." No need for either. "Wire-Or" the AUX and RX IN ports together with a BNC T connector and then to the RX Antenna. Works just fine. GL - Steve WB6RSE On Mar 14, 2018, at 9:06 AM, Bill Stravinsky via Elecraft wrote: I use a 2 position switch to send the rx antenna to the AUX or RX ant in jacks. Its on the wall out of the way but easily accessible.I don't even label it. It corresponds to the back of the K3. Left is RX in and right is AUX. From w4jz at bellsouth.net Wed Mar 14 14:47:00 2018 From: w4jz at bellsouth.net (Reed) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2018 13:47:00 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Dish/Direct TV RFI? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks everyone for responding!? When you only have one cable network in your area they pretty much can charge what they want. Been with them since the late 80's, but 2 increases in 3 months is a little much.? I don't use them for internet or phone thank goodness, just TV. 73, Reed? W4JZ From john at johnjeanantiqueradio.com Wed Mar 14 15:04:04 2018 From: john at johnjeanantiqueradio.com (John K9UWA) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2018 15:04:04 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Dish/Direct TV RFI? In-Reply-To: <7819c3e7-bd83-19d9-7816-54cdf9ec3ec5@foothill.net> References: , <5AA933C2.18645.41AA6EE@john.johnjeanantiqueradio.com>, <7819c3e7-bd83-19d9-7816-54cdf9ec3ec5@foothill.net> Message-ID: <5AA97224.13687.50E5885@john.johnjeanantiqueradio.com> A little clarification is due. Sorry I missed a couple parts in my original response this morning to Reed's question about DirecTV rcvrs. My first omission. I do not use DirecTV for internet. Only for TV-reception. It would be horrible for internet. No Satellite Internet would work for anyone depending on internet to operate your own ham station remotely due to latency and or packet loss. My internet is provided through a CATV company. I have never had a problem with ingress of my Ham Station into the DirecTV system so I never considered that as an issue. I do run 1500W on 160-10m. Next part. Those who claim that the direcTV receivers don't make any noise into their Amateur Radio stations probablly have not listened to their DirecTV receivers with a Noise Sniffer, AM-transistor radio tuned off station; Small loop attached to your Ham Radio receiver that can be placed close to this receiver and other devices in your home. Sniffer receiver used is an old Sony 2001-ICF It doesn't have ANL. It can be tuned to most any frequency of interest, It has both internal an directional loop antenna and a nice long extendable whip that you can reach easily close to your Wall Warts, DirecTV receivers, TV sets, Computers Modems Routers fluorescent Lights LED lights. Try a walkabout your homes with such noise listening devices. You just might be surprised at how much noise you are getting into your ham radio antennas. Once you eliminate the top tier of noise generators in your home then you begin to hear the next level down noise generators. There are zero fluorescent ballasts in my home. All have been replaced by yes I did find quiet direct wire LED bulbs for replacements. Zero Variable speed motors, Fans or light dimmers. Many other devices as well as the wall wart switchers are gone or choked to stop the noise. Additional excellent information of noise location and cures at http://audiosystemsgroup.com/KillingReceiveNoise.pdf John k9uwa DXCC 160m 320 John Goller, K9UWA & Jean Goller, N9PXF Antique Radio Restorations k9uwa at arrl.net Visit our Web Site at: http://www.JohnJeanAntiqueRadio.com 4836 Ranch Road Leo, IN 46765 USA 1-260-637-6426 From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Wed Mar 14 15:26:46 2018 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2018 12:26:46 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Dish/Direct TV RFI? In-Reply-To: <5AA97224.13687.50E5885@john.johnjeanantiqueradio.com> References: <5AA933C2.18645.41AA6EE@john.johnjeanantiqueradio.com> <7819c3e7-bd83-19d9-7816-54cdf9ec3ec5@foothill.net> <5AA97224.13687.50E5885@john.johnjeanantiqueradio.com> Message-ID: On 3/14/2018 12:04 PM, John K9UWA wrote: > My first omission. I do not use DirecTV for internet. Only for TV-reception. It would be horrible for internet. My good friend W6JTI lives FAR off the grid in the "lost coast" section of Northern California (if you want to find him on a map, look a few miles SE of Shelter Cove). He has NO options for cable. He is THRILLED to have satellite internet. His alternative is a POTS line. 73, Jim K9YC From kl7uw at acsalaska.net Wed Mar 14 15:36:51 2018 From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2018 11:36:51 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Power Creep (again) Message-ID: <201803141936.w2EJaqhF006783@mail41c28.carrierzone.com> Don has pegged the usual cause of "power creep". I had a bit of that when I first set up my K3 for using WSJT programs back in 2010 when my radio was new. But the radio does not like you adjusting the power knob if it is transmitting under software. Wait till its in receive mode then you can adjust power if you know what level you want or press XMIT key to manually transmit a carrier and adjust it. I run into this when I am setting up my 2m-8877 amp drive to run 1400w. If it is running too high in operating JT65, I have to wait until the receive sequence starts or click off in the software. If I try adjusting power while JT65 is transmitting the power will resist change or will suddenly drop to a much lower level. I think you are fighting some auto-level routines in the radio MCU which apparently protect from any large changes in audio drive (thus protecting RF amps from overdrive and/or generating IMD). This last is my guess at what is happening (experts feel free to correct). 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com Dubus-NA Business mail: dubususa at gmail.com From k6ll.dave at gmail.com Wed Mar 14 16:07:56 2018 From: k6ll.dave at gmail.com (Dave Hachadorian) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2018 13:07:56 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Dish/Direct TV RFI? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I have had DISH for about three years, and it has been bullet-proof, with me running 1500 watts in contests on all HF bands. I've turned off power in the house several times to find potential sources of RFI, and the DISH equipment has never been found to radiate RFI. Before DISH, I had DirecTV, and that was not a problem either. My immediate neighbor had an old DirecTV box with a landline telephone line connected to it so she could order pay-per-view movies. That phone connection generated terrible RFI to all the other telephones in her house. A KCom filter on that line solved the problem. Dave Hachadorian, K6LL Yuma, AZ -----Original Message----- From: Reed Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2018 5:56 AM To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] Dish/Direct TV RFI? Has anyone had trouble with RFI, receive or transmit, with Dish or Direct TV. I have cable through Comcast & tired of their rate increases so thought I give satellite a try since looks like more bang for the buck. Thanks, Reed W4JZ From kx4o at hamradio.me Wed Mar 14 16:36:05 2018 From: kx4o at hamradio.me (John Huggins, kx4o) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2018 20:36:05 -0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Dish/Direct TV RFI? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I have personally seem a 40m signal change the channels on our Direct TV setup. This is, unfortunately, a common problem... https://www.google.com/search?q=direct+tv+amateur+radio+changes+channels&oq=direct+tv+amateur+radio+changes+channels John, kx4o On Wed, March 14, 2018 12:56, Reed wrote: > Has anyone had trouble with RFI, receive or transmit, with Dish or > Direct TV.?? I have cable through Comcast & tired of their rate increases > so thought I give satellite a try since looks like more bang for the buck. > > Thanks, > > Reed?? W4JZ From acsewell at gmail.com Wed Mar 14 17:36:34 2018 From: acsewell at gmail.com (Alan Sewell N5NA) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2018 16:36:34 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Last Call - Elecraft K3S Raffle Message-ID: <1f57f7a1-02cf-fdba-f192-16fcce5caa03@gmail.com> As announced on this reflector in January, the Midland (TX) Amateur Radio Club is raffling an Elecraft K3S 100 watt transceiver with MH-4 mic. The drawing will be held this Saturday March 17 at the Midland St. Patrick's Day Hamfest. As of today 256 of a maximum of 300 tickets have been sold. Complete details are at http://k3sraffle.w5qgg.org. I will post the results on the reflector as soon as I can after the drawing on Saturday. 73 & GL! ?Alan N5NA From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Wed Mar 14 18:47:32 2018 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2018 15:47:32 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Dish/Direct TV RFI? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 3/14/2018 1:36 PM, John Huggins, kx4o wrote: > I have personally seem a 40m signal change the channels on our Direct TV > setup. This is, unfortunately, a common problem... > > https://www.google.com/search?q=direct+tv+amateur+radio+changes+channels&oq=direct+tv+amateur+radio+changes+channels Problems like this are the result of design defects in the cable modem. It should be possible to solve problems of this sort by winding multiple turns of both the coax and the power cable #31 or #43 Fair-Rite toroids. See http://k9yc.com/KillingReceiveNoise.pdf for part numbers and guidelines for winding. While the app note discusses RX noise radiated from gear like this, the cures are the same for both. AND -- because it's the result of a defective modem (i.e. a bad design), ALWAYS call the vendor and tell them to fix it. 73, Jim K9YC From gliderboy1955 at yahoo.com Wed Mar 14 18:59:45 2018 From: gliderboy1955 at yahoo.com (eric norris) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2018 22:59:45 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] 630m on K3/S References: <1676725388.754079.1521068385985.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1676725388.754079.1521068385985@mail.yahoo.com> After reading the Elecraft Application Note on this, I'm wondering if there has been discussion at Elecraft of producing an XV.472 (sic) transverter??? Imagine, a fella could even operate 630m from his K2. Elecraft could be first on the block with true 630m integration.?? Instead of throwing a wire into a tree, we could throw a 29-ft slinky into a tree.? Mouth-watering. 73 Eric WD6DBM Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android From mikefurrey at att.net Wed Mar 14 19:25:05 2018 From: mikefurrey at att.net (Mike Furrey) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2018 23:25:05 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] K3 MMTTY on 30 meters HELP! References: <1433969320.709791.1521069905814.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1433969320.709791.1521069905814@mail.yahoo.com> Hi!It must be something simple I am missing but for some reason, I cannot get the K3 to transmit RTTY from MMTTY only on 30 meters. I have checked all settings but nothing. It is fine on 160 - 6 meters (just checked) but on 30, nothing. If I unplug the cables from the computer and use the keyer paddle, all is ok. But plug in the cables and using MMTTY ... NOPE! What am I missing? Thanks in advance. 73, Mike WA5POK From jereed at ameritech.net Wed Mar 14 19:13:08 2018 From: jereed at ameritech.net (Joseph Reed) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2018 18:13:08 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] 3D-print case for KXPD2 In-Reply-To: <5300805.QM8jDvqXqj@gantu> References: <1961944.ask7MOOjZO@gantu> <7858bea1-473e-735d-3acc-0d2fb37d210c@gmail.com> <5300805.QM8jDvqXqj@gantu> Message-ID: <313C4625-FA11-403E-8842-C902DB831DEB@ameritech.net> Johan, They do go well together indeed. I printed your case (150 micron, in ABS on a Prusa i3 MK3) and its a very nice design. Printed beautifully. Thanks for sharing. 73, Joe N9JR > On Mar 9, 2018, at 2:54 AM, Johan Ymerson wrote: > > On Thursday, 8 March 2018 23:38:22 CET Mike Markowski wrote: >> Very nice, Johan! A 3d printer is tempting, though I have no real >> need... Kind of like this radio hobby we're all addicted to. :-) > > You see, these hobbies go well together! > An you can always find the need for it somewhere, if you look hard enough ;-) > > 73 de SM0XHJ > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to jereed at ameritech.net From mikefurrey at att.net Wed Mar 14 19:35:12 2018 From: mikefurrey at att.net (Mike Furrey) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2018 23:35:12 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] K3 MMTTY on 30 meters HELP! In-Reply-To: <03771D2A-4E9C-4478-A077-84E6CF851353@gmail.com> References: <1433969320.709791.1521069905814.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1433969320.709791.1521069905814@mail.yahoo.com> <03771D2A-4E9C-4478-A077-84E6CF851353@gmail.com> Message-ID: <729584309.711225.1521070512045@mail.yahoo.com> Mike, That was it! Fixed and working! Many thanks!? ... and did get that PJ5 for a new one on rtty with that paddle method. 73 and Thanks again! Mike WA5POK On Wednesday, March 14, 2018 7:29 PM, Mike Flowers wrote: Hi Mike, If you?re using FSK-RTTY,? heck to ensure that the 30M Data Mode is also FSK-RTTY.? I think that?s a ?by band? configuration. Just an idea ... -- Mike Flowers, K6MKF, NCDXC - "It's about DX!" > On Mar 14, 2018, at 4:25 PM, Mike Furrey wrote: > > Hi!It must be something simple I am missing but for some reason, I cannot get the K3 to transmit RTTY from MMTTY only on 30 meters. I have checked all settings but nothing. It is fine on 160 - 6 meters (just checked) but on 30, nothing. If I unplug the cables from the computer and use the keyer paddle, all is ok. But plug in the cables and using MMTTY ... NOPE! > What am I missing? > Thanks in advance. > 73, Mike WA5POK > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to mike.flowers at gmail.com From k9yeq at live.com Wed Mar 14 20:43:17 2018 From: k9yeq at live.com (Bill Johnson) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2018 00:43:17 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] New Sub RX In-Reply-To: <8D6ACC4B-C18E-4124-8A8F-2CB46470FBC0@gmail.com> References: <89b317a0-66aa-bd01-354a-f01904e3aab9@shaw.ca> <8D6ACC4B-C18E-4124-8A8F-2CB46470FBC0@gmail.com> Message-ID: I use the K-Pod to switch. I have commands to go to diversity and then one to cancel it all. Crude commands at this point but for as little as I use the upper bands based on antennas and ability with the sunspot cycle, not on a high priority for now, It is relatively quick. But then I don't chase I only work directly on Freq. Your use might be helped by some macros available on the K3(s). 73, Bill K9YEQ -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of Vic Rosenthal Sent: Monday, March 12, 2018 3:36 PM To: Ralph Parker Cc: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] New Sub RX Actually, I sometimes find myself switching diversity on and off while trying to break a pileup when the dx station is particularly weak. The P3 + VGA is helpful in spotting when diversity is on and I can?t hear the pileup. Vic 4X6GP > On 12 Mar 2018, at 22:23, Ralph Parker wrote: > > >But now I need three receivers. Two for diversity and one to scan the pileup. > > K4 > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > k2vco.vic at gmail.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to k9yeq at live.com From k9yeq at live.com Wed Mar 14 20:44:04 2018 From: k9yeq at live.com (Bill Johnson) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2018 00:44:04 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] New Sub RX In-Reply-To: <1f36db8b-2c83-2a9b-d8ed-b7d1b9a2b733@shaw.ca> References: <1f36db8b-2c83-2a9b-d8ed-b7d1b9a2b733@shaw.ca> Message-ID: Great suggestion. I do link my VFO's so I need to change that. 73, Bill K9YEQ -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of Ralph Parker Sent: Monday, March 12, 2018 6:57 PM To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] New Sub RX >I sometimes find myself switching diversity on and off while trying to break a pileup when the dx station is particularly weak. >The P3 + VGA is helpful in spotting when diversity is on and I can?t hear the pileup. When my diversity is in use, I can get by fairly well in deciphering the pileup by using the "REV" function. Then the diversity mode stays on. VE7XF ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to k9yeq at live.com From k9yeq at live.com Wed Mar 14 20:45:46 2018 From: k9yeq at live.com (Bill Johnson) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2018 00:45:46 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Sub RX stopped working on 20/17 meters In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Reload your saved firmware? I have run into issue solved by reloading firmware. It is like your PC doesn't work so well when a restart dumps all the memory and reloads the OS. 73, Bill K9YEQ -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of Chris Hallinan Sent: Monday, March 12, 2018 6:58 PM To: Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Sub RX stopped working on 20/17 meters Hi Folks, Just learning my way around the KRX3A. For reasons I can't determine, it stopped working on 20 and 17 meters. Works fine on the other bands. I have tried with both main and AUX antennas. I know it worked when first installed. B_SET settings all seem normal, mode, bw, atten, etc. I can't get it work work again. It has static when the AF Gain(SUB) is advanced, but no indication on the S-Meter when B_SET selected on an S-9 signal and no signal in the headphones on the Sub side. Have I somehow got it confused and it's trying to use a different band's lo pass? I have not experimented with "cross-band" sub rx operation. Maybe I inadvertently switched bands with SUB enabled and got it mixed up??? Dunno. The manual is open on my desk. Can't find anything that might be wrong. Firmware is all up to date. Any ideas? Chris -- -- Life is like Linux - it never stands still. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to k9yeq at live.com From k9yeq at live.com Wed Mar 14 20:47:07 2018 From: k9yeq at live.com (Bill Johnson) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2018 00:47:07 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Sub RX stopped working on 20/17 meters In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Me too. The issues (the devil) are in the details 73, Bill K9YEQ -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of Richard Donner Sent: Monday, March 12, 2018 8:43 PM To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Sub RX stopped working on 20/17 meters Hi This is my first help idea. Perhaps your sub receiver is not connected to an active antenna on 17 and 20 meters. I have done stuff like that and pulled my hair out until I realized the above. luck ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to k9yeq at live.com From donwilh at embarqmail.com Wed Mar 14 21:00:26 2018 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2018 21:00:26 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] 630m on K3/S In-Reply-To: <1676725388.754079.1521068385985@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1676725388.754079.1521068385985.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1676725388.754079.1521068385985@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <43fc2bfb-c1f4-4e96-4235-d94702062980@embarqmail.com> Eric, Are you kidding? Yes, the K2 can receive 630 meters with a suitable transverter, but it would have to have an input/output frequency at 14 MHz or above. The K3 with the new synthesizers and the upgrades to the KBPF3 can tune down to that band, as can the K3S with the KBPF3 option. You can use the transverter output with the K3/K3S in TX TEST mode to provide a 1mW signal to an amplifier for those low frequency bands, or you can use an external transverter. I don't know of any plans to produce a low band transverter from Elecraft. 73, Don W3FPR On 3/14/2018 6:59 PM, eric norris via Elecraft wrote: > After reading the Elecraft Application Note on this, I'm wondering if there has been discussion at Elecraft of producing an XV.472 (sic) transverter? > Imagine, a fella could even operate 630m from his K2. > Elecraft could be first on the block with true 630m integration. > Instead of throwing a wire into a tree, we could throw a 29-ft slinky into a tree.? Mouth-watering. From k9yeq at live.com Wed Mar 14 21:03:19 2018 From: k9yeq at live.com (Bill Johnson) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2018 01:03:19 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Sound Devices Issue In-Reply-To: <0ac1f0f1-1e86-ffd1-db76-85cf78c66c75@embarqmail.com> References: <3310bebf-2d99-d408-e965-767ba801f731@comcast.net> <0ac1f0f1-1e86-ffd1-db76-85cf78c66c75@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: You can also use device manager to remove the USB device you want to remove. Reboot and see if that fixes your issue, if not, It may require more research. If you are using RTTY software, that could also be the culprit. In the latter, remove and reinstall after doing the previous. 73, Bill K9YEQ -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of Don Wilhelm Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2018 7:04 PM To: Rich ; Elecraft Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S Sound Devices Issue The only way I can think of to avoid problems like that is to disable Windows updates. Yes, this is a computer related situation, and not a K3S situation. 73, Don W3FPR On 3/13/2018 2:38 PM, Rich wrote: > I think this issue is Win10 related but this seems to be the place to > ask the question. > > I had my K3 upgraded to the "s" last summer.?? Once Windows created > the USB sound device I renamed them to K3 Receive Audio and K3 > Transmit Audio.?? Everything was working fine. > > Last night I was trying to work some RTTY and found that MMTTY was not > decoding RTTY.?? After much confusion I realized that Windows (I > guess) created another sound device called USB Microphone and it was > ignoring the original K3 Receive Audio device which still existed. > > Has anyone seen this happen? > > Is there a way to avoid it happening again? ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to k9yeq at live.com From k9yeq at live.com Wed Mar 14 21:05:37 2018 From: k9yeq at live.com (Bill Johnson) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2018 01:05:37 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Sound Devices Issue In-Reply-To: <28ae7215-9959-0443-9e06-8e847893b1b4@comcast.net> References: <3310bebf-2d99-d408-e965-767ba801f731@comcast.net> <0ac1f0f1-1e86-ffd1-db76-85cf78c66c75@embarqmail.com> <28ae7215-9959-0443-9e06-8e847893b1b4@comcast.net> Message-ID: I don't recommend disabling updates as you need the latest patches included to protect your OS. Deferment only last for, I believe 60 days. See my other recommendation posted earlier. 73, Bill K9YEQ -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of Rich Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2018 8:41 PM To: donwilh at embarqmail.com; Elecraft Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S Sound Devices Issue Thank you.? I never even thought about Win updates. Rich On 3/13/2018 20:03 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > The only way I can think of to avoid problems like that is to disable > Windows updates. > > Yes, this is a computer related situation, and not a K3S situation. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 3/13/2018 2:38 PM, Rich wrote: >> I think this issue is Win10 related but this seems to be the place to >> ask the question. >> >> I had my K3 upgraded to the "s" last summer.?? Once Windows created >> the USB sound device I renamed them to K3 Receive Audio and K3 >> Transmit Audio.?? Everything was working fine. >> >> Last night I was trying to work some RTTY and found that MMTTY was >> not decoding RTTY.?? After much confusion I realized that Windows (I >> guess) created another sound device called USB Microphone and it was >> ignoring the original K3 Receive Audio device which still existed. >> >> Has anyone seen this happen? >> >> Is there a way to avoid it happening again? > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to k9yeq at live.com From k9yeq at live.com Wed Mar 14 21:09:06 2018 From: k9yeq at live.com (Bill Johnson) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2018 01:09:06 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Switching RX ant between ports In-Reply-To: References: <65159859.301012.1521043618279.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <65159859.301012.1521043618279@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I also use a switch and it is a great solution. 73, Bill K9YEQ -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of wb6rse1 at mac.com Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2018 1:33 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Switching RX ant between ports I've used a switch and a magic "T." No need for either. "Wire-Or" the AUX and RX IN ports together with a BNC T connector and then to the RX Antenna. Works just fine. GL - Steve WB6RSE On Mar 14, 2018, at 9:06 AM, Bill Stravinsky via Elecraft wrote: I use a 2 position switch to send the rx antenna to the AUX or RX ant in jacks. Its on the wall out of the way but easily accessible.I don't even label it. It corresponds to the back of the K3. Left is RX in and right is AUX. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to k9yeq at live.com From donwilh at embarqmail.com Wed Mar 14 21:21:32 2018 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2018 21:21:32 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Sound Devices Issue In-Reply-To: References: <3310bebf-2d99-d408-e965-767ba801f731@comcast.net> <0ac1f0f1-1e86-ffd1-db76-85cf78c66c75@embarqmail.com> <28ae7215-9959-0443-9e06-8e847893b1b4@comcast.net> Message-ID: <22ad41d4-c51d-1eec-4a64-5009604c86da@embarqmail.com> I do not recommend disabling updates unless your ham station computer is not connected to the internet. Most ham computers ARE connected to the internet, and updates are necessary to keep up with security issues. If you are developing software, then an internet isolated computer is necessary. As one for-instance, how do you keep up with DX spots if you are not connected to the internet. Updates may cause some problems with your configurations and drivers, but that is a minor problem compared to a virus attack that can disable the computer. 73, Don W3FPR On 3/14/2018 9:05 PM, Bill Johnson wrote: > I don't recommend disabling updates as you need the latest patches included to protect your OS. Deferment only last for, I believe 60 days. See my other recommendation posted earlier. > > 73, > Bill > K9YEQ > > -----Original Message----- > From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of Rich > Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2018 8:41 PM > To: donwilh at embarqmail.com; Elecraft > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S Sound Devices Issue > > Thank you.? I never even thought about Win updates. > > Rich > > > On 3/13/2018 20:03 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: >> The only way I can think of to avoid problems like that is to disable >> Windows updates. >> >> Yes, this is a computer related situation, and not a K3S situation. >> >> 73, >> Don W3FPR >> >> On 3/13/2018 2:38 PM, Rich wrote: >>> I think this issue is Win10 related but this seems to be the place to >>> ask the question. >>> >>> I had my K3 upgraded to the "s" last summer.?? Once Windows created >>> the USB sound device I renamed them to K3 Receive Audio and K3 >>> Transmit Audio.?? Everything was working fine. >>> >>> Last night I was trying to work some RTTY and found that MMTTY was >>> not decoding RTTY.?? After much confusion I realized that Windows (I >>> guess) created another sound device called USB Microphone and it was >>> ignoring the original K3 Receive Audio device which still existed. >>> >>> Has anyone seen this happen? >>> >>> Is there a way to avoid it happening again? > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to k9yeq at live.com From wa4aip at gmail.com Wed Mar 14 21:43:23 2018 From: wa4aip at gmail.com (John Altman) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2018 20:43:23 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] P3-F PANADAPTER FOR SALE WITH CABLES AND MANUAL Message-ID: FOR SALE P3-F Panadapter $650.00 plus shipping (New price $779.95 + shipping) This is my second unit - now surplus to my needs. Will ship with spiral bound manual and connecting cables ? IF Cable ? E980170 Power Cable ? E850427 P3 to RJ45 Connector on K3S - Y Cable - Model E980296 Sold as is, no returns, due to scammers and parts swappers. Pay with PayPal + fees, bank check, or postal money order. Questions - please contact me direct at WA4AIP at arrl.net. Thanks, John WA4AIP ARRL Charter Life Member From k6dgw at foothill.net Wed Mar 14 21:43:26 2018 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2018 18:43:26 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] 630m on K3/S In-Reply-To: <43fc2bfb-c1f4-4e96-4235-d94702062980@embarqmail.com> References: <1676725388.754079.1521068385985.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1676725388.754079.1521068385985@mail.yahoo.com> <43fc2bfb-c1f4-4e96-4235-d94702062980@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: For a number of years, I SWL'd on LF using [or at least trying to use] a Palomar receive up-converter 0 - 600 Kcs to 80 meters.? In NorCal, LORAN-C took out everything.? LORAN-C is gone now, but the bleed-through on 80 meters made this a very difficult challenge.? I really can't see a market for any such product for the K2. 73, Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW Sparks NV DM09dn Washoe County On 3/14/2018 6:00 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > Eric, > > Are you kidding?? Yes, the K2 can receive 630 meters with a suitable > transverter, but it would have to have an input/output frequency at 14 > MHz or above. > > The K3 with the new synthesizers and the upgrades to the KBPF3 can > tune down to that band, as can the K3S with the KBPF3 option. > > You can use the transverter output with the K3/K3S in TX TEST mode to > provide a 1mW signal to an amplifier for those low frequency bands, or > you can use an external transverter. > > I don't know of any plans to produce a low band transverter from > Elecraft. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 3/14/2018 6:59 PM, eric norris via Elecraft wrote: >> After reading the Elecraft Application Note on this, I'm wondering if >> there has been discussion at Elecraft of producing an XV.472 (sic) >> transverter? >> Imagine, a fella could even operate 630m from his K2. >> Elecraft could be first on the block with true 630m integration. >> Instead of throwing a wire into a tree, we could throw a 29-ft slinky >> into a tree.? Mouth-watering. > From gliderboy1955 at yahoo.com Wed Mar 14 21:48:58 2018 From: gliderboy1955 at yahoo.com (eric norris) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2018 01:48:58 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] DirecTV RFI References: <1762995977.866017.1521078538123.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1762995977.866017.1521078538123@mail.yahoo.com> I was an early adopter of DirecTV due to my hatred of the local cable company.? I had to install my first dish. Over the years I've had a number of receivers that were immune to ham band signals (1500w), but had ONE that was terrible.? One watt of RF on 40m would render it useless as it turned on and off, recording programs at random.? Research showed this receiver was notorious for this, but DirecTV would do nothing about it, claiming it was my fault yadda yadda. I had to unplug it to get on 40m.? All attempts at blocking RF from getting into the box had no effect.?? I finally ponied up for a different receiver/DVR, and since going HD have had zero problems.? But be warned, most installers know nothing.? Insist they ground the dish as the NEC requires, or they won't do it.? I haven't detected noise from the system, but in my neighborhood it's often S6-S9 anyway. 73 Eric WD6DBM Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android From rmcgraw at blomand.net Wed Mar 14 21:51:16 2018 From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2018 20:51:16 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Dish/Direct TV RFI? Message-ID: For multiple reasons we dumped satellite TV.? Cable service was gone 10 years ago. While the DSS receiver and its associated power supply didn't give me any issues, I found the plastic box in which the receiver was contained offered little to no shielding from my HF transmitters.? Specifically the remote control receiver, being an RF remote, must have a front end as broad as a barn door.? Even when the remote control method was switched to IR, the remote receiver was still active in the box.? My solution was to wrap the entire receiver, except a small front corner where the IR receiver was located, in aluminum foil.? No amount of ferrites on the input, power and output would resolve the issue.? It looked a bit crude but it worked. ?? My wife would certainly let me know when the thing changed channels or turned on and off by itself during her Pay Per View movies. The straw which made the final decision to dump satellite TV was weather related signal loss, along with their customer service. Either thunder storms in the summer or snow and ice in the winter where I've had to sweep snow and break ice off of the dish to restore the signal. Fortunately we are in an area, although basically rural, where our phone company provides not only phone, but internet, and HD TV, by underground fiber to the house. ? They run dedicated CAT 5E cable to each of the TV's {3}? and another to my wireless router from the fiber termination on the side of the house. ? They also provide battery back-up for the fiber termination. ?? The bottom line, their system is totally immune to RF on any HF band and any power level, and we no longer have to worry about WX related outages.? And? with the expanded package it is costing less than the Direct TV service.?? I think it is a win win situation.? I wish everyone had a system such as this. 73 Bob, K4TAX From huntinhmb at coastside.net Wed Mar 14 22:07:56 2018 From: huntinhmb at coastside.net (Brian Hunt) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2018 19:07:56 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] 630m on K3/S In-Reply-To: <1676725388.754079.1521068385985@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1676725388.754079.1521068385985.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1676725388.754079.1521068385985@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <09B10E2C-BEC0-4FA8-B6C6-4B38F84A3844@coastside.net> A properly equipped K3 or K3S is a good receiver on 630m and as Don pointed out will produce 0.5 mW from the Xverter interface. I've made the mods and checked the output on my 10 year old K3 and it's good to go. There are several amplifier designs on the web that will give 50-100 watts output and I think a few commercially available amps as well. Probably some adaptation needed for the K3 output tho. The real bugaboo is the antenna. A resonant small multi-turn loop is good for receive. The transmit antenna needs a big hi-Q loading coil and as much wire as you can get into the air. That's my sticking point at the moment. I think it's a real opportunity to get back to basics. 73, Brian, K0DTJ From rwnewbould at comcast.net Wed Mar 14 22:37:02 2018 From: rwnewbould at comcast.net (Rich) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2018 22:37:02 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Sound Devices Issue In-Reply-To: <22ad41d4-c51d-1eec-4a64-5009604c86da@embarqmail.com> References: <3310bebf-2d99-d408-e965-767ba801f731@comcast.net> <0ac1f0f1-1e86-ffd1-db76-85cf78c66c75@embarqmail.com> <28ae7215-9959-0443-9e06-8e847893b1b4@comcast.net> <22ad41d4-c51d-1eec-4a64-5009604c86da@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <35317a33-6961-464a-5507-2834305980aa@comcast.net> I did not take the comment to disable WinUpdates.? I now what to look for in the future.? Nothing really broke it just removed my "named" K3 sound devices and replaced them. All is good once I realized what happened. Rich K3RWN On 3/14/2018 21:21 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > I do not recommend disabling updates unless your ham station computer > is not connected to the internet. > Most ham computers ARE connected to the internet, and updates are > necessary to keep up with security issues. > If you are developing software, then an internet isolated computer is > necessary. > > As one for-instance, how do you keep up with DX spots if you are not > connected to the internet. > > Updates may cause some problems with your configurations and drivers, > but that is a minor problem compared to a virus attack that can > disable the computer. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 3/14/2018 9:05 PM, Bill Johnson wrote: >> I don't recommend disabling updates as you need the latest patches >> included to protect your OS.? Deferment only last for, I believe 60 >> days.?? See my other recommendation posted earlier. >> >> 73, >> Bill >> K9YEQ >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net >> On Behalf Of Rich >> Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2018 8:41 PM >> To: donwilh at embarqmail.com; Elecraft >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S Sound Devices Issue >> >> Thank you.? I never even thought about Win updates. >> >> Rich >> >> >> On 3/13/2018 20:03 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: >>> The only way I can think of to avoid problems like that is to disable >>> Windows updates. >>> >>> Yes, this is a computer related situation, and not a K3S situation. >>> >>> 73, >>> Don W3FPR >>> >>> On 3/13/2018 2:38 PM, Rich wrote: >>>> I think this issue is Win10 related but this seems to be the place to >>>> ask the question. >>>> >>>> I had my K3 upgraded to the "s" last summer.?? Once Windows created >>>> the USB sound device I renamed them to K3 Receive Audio and K3 >>>> Transmit Audio.?? Everything was working fine. >>>> >>>> Last night I was trying to work some RTTY and found that MMTTY was >>>> not decoding RTTY.?? After much confusion I realized that Windows (I >>>> guess) created another sound device called USB Microphone and it was >>>> ignoring the original K3 Receive Audio device which still existed. >>>> >>>> Has anyone seen this happen? >>>> >>>> Is there a way to avoid it happening again? >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to k9yeq at live.com > > From ch at murgatroid.com Thu Mar 15 01:01:10 2018 From: ch at murgatroid.com (Christopher Hoover) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2018 22:01:10 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] New KPA1500 feature: ATU TUNE integration with K3 and K3S transceivers In-Reply-To: <1520607703491-0.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1520607703491-0.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: > I would really like this feature for my KPA500 too! Ditto (KPA500+KAT500)! 73 de AI6KG On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 7:01 AM, K8TE wrote: > Even though I am impatiently awaiting my KPA1500, I would really like this > feature for my KPA500 too! > > 73, Bill, K8TE > > > > -- > Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to ch at murgatroid.com > From btippett at alum.mit.edu Thu Mar 15 07:33:15 2018 From: btippett at alum.mit.edu (Bill W4ZV) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2018 04:33:15 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Switching RX ant between ports In-Reply-To: <65159859.301012.1521043618279@mail.yahoo.com> References: <65159859.301012.1521043618279@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1521113595928-0.post@n2.nabble.com> I use two different RX antennas in diversity. I have a selection of 7 Beverages on Main and 4 direction switchable Hi-Z RX4SQ on Sub. If I want to listen on my TX antenna (which is occasionally best), I toggle RX ANT to switch from the Beverages to TX ANT. If the RX4SQ is not contributing to SNR, I toggle out of diversity (SUB button on the K3). I know this is not the question you asked but just FWIW. 73, Bill W4ZV -- Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ From rthorne at rthorne.net Thu Mar 15 10:56:45 2018 From: rthorne at rthorne.net (Richard Thorne) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2018 09:56:45 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Deliver Update Message-ID: Any updates on delivery time?? Last one was posted on 02/20. Thanks Rich - N5ZC From w4grj at satterfield.org Thu Mar 15 11:14:08 2018 From: w4grj at satterfield.org (w4grj) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2018 11:14:08 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Deliver Update In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5aaa8dd2.42219f0a.51786.e4c9@mx.google.com> What a waste of bandwidthJackW4GRJ Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device -------- Original message --------From: Richard Thorne Date: 3/15/18 10:56 (GMT-05:00) To: Elecraft Reflector Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Deliver Update Any updates on delivery time?? Last one was posted on 02/20. Thanks Rich - N5ZC ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to w4grj at satterfield.org From kx4o at hamradio.me Thu Mar 15 11:24:39 2018 From: kx4o at hamradio.me (John Huggins, kx4o) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2018 15:24:39 -0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Dish/Direct TV RFI? Message-ID: You are, of course, absolutely correct Jim. Know that one model of the sat receiver uses an RF remote of some sort that many think is the culprit. Sadly the response from the, understandably RF clueless, sat help lines is kind of like going to a doctor with the plea "it hurts to do this" and response of "well don't do that." I suspect nothing will change much until a 40m signal affects the sat systems of the ham's neighbors resulting in a Part 15/97 brawl. On Wed, March 14, 2018 22:47, Jim Brown wrote: > Problems like this are the result of design defects in the cable modem. > It should be possible to solve problems of this sort by winding multiple > turns of both the coax and the power cable #31 or #43 Fair-Rite toroids. > See > > http://k9yc.com/KillingReceiveNoise.pdf > > for part numbers and guidelines for winding. While the app note discusses > RX noise radiated from gear like this, the cures are the same > for both. > > AND -- because it's the result of a defective modem (i.e. a bad design), > ALWAYS call the vendor and tell them to fix it. > > 73, Jim K9YC From jmlowman at sbcglobal.net Thu Mar 15 12:26:02 2018 From: jmlowman at sbcglobal.net (Jim Low man) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2018 09:26:02 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Dish/Direct TV RFI? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <24757418-D6F3-4AE0-AA50-D3E05902C6CD@sbcglobal.net> I?m wondering how much worse the problem will be as DirecTV goes to this new technology that?s being advertised on TV-something about a wireless receiver. I?ll have to pay more attention. It sounds like something that the girlfriend may want to wait for. Right now her equipment is first-generation, and she would like to have a DVR with larger capacity and a 4K-capable receiver for whenever that becomes available. 72/73 de Jim-AD6CW > On Mar 15, 2018, at 8:24 AM, John Huggins, kx4o wrote: > > You are, of course, absolutely correct Jim. Know that one model of the sat > receiver uses an RF remote of some sort that many think is the culprit. > > Sadly the response from the, understandably RF clueless, sat help lines is > kind of like going to a doctor with the plea "it hurts to do this" and > response of "well don't do that." > > I suspect nothing will change much until a 40m signal affects the sat > systems of the ham's neighbors resulting in a Part 15/97 brawl. > >> On Wed, March 14, 2018 22:47, Jim Brown wrote: >> Problems like this are the result of design defects in the cable modem. >> It should be possible to solve problems of this sort by winding multiple >> turns of both the coax and the power cable #31 or #43 Fair-Rite toroids. >> See >> >> http://k9yc.com/KillingReceiveNoise.pdf >> >> for part numbers and guidelines for winding. While the app note discusses >> RX noise radiated from gear like this, the cures are the same >> for both. >> >> AND -- because it's the result of a defective modem (i.e. a bad design), >> ALWAYS call the vendor and tell them to fix it. >> >> 73, Jim K9YC > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to jmlowman at sbcglobal.net From tomgeorgens15 at gmail.com Thu Mar 15 12:53:30 2018 From: tomgeorgens15 at gmail.com (Tom Georgens) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2018 09:53:30 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Remote question Message-ID: <1dfe01d3bc7e$260f8990$722e9cb0$@gmail.com> Hello I am contemplating building some remote capability for my station. I am early in the process and want to do some basic testing. Can I just connect two K3 radios with a Null Modem serial cable or do I actually need the RemoteRig hardware to make the remote functionality work? It looks like my setup is the opposite of the design intent of the RemoteRig and I am interested in seeing how the radios behave before I move to the design phase Thanks and 73 Tom W2SC From ab1dd at outlook.com Thu Mar 15 13:14:54 2018 From: ab1dd at outlook.com (Carl AB1DD) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2018 17:14:54 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Remote question In-Reply-To: <1dfe01d3bc7e$260f8990$722e9cb0$@gmail.com> References: <1dfe01d3bc7e$260f8990$722e9cb0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Tom, A long hold of the menu button will put the K3 into terminal mode, then one can control another with an RS232 cable. Carl AB1DD ________________________________ From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net on behalf of Tom Georgens Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2018 12:53 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Remote question Hello I am contemplating building some remote capability for my station. I am early in the process and want to do some basic testing. Can I just connect two K3 radios with a Null Modem serial cable or do I actually need the RemoteRig hardware to make the remote functionality work? It looks like my setup is the opposite of the design intent of the RemoteRig and I am interested in seeing how the radios behave before I move to the design phase Thanks and 73 Tom W2SC ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ab1dd at outlook.com From wes_n7ws at triconet.org Thu Mar 15 13:15:09 2018 From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes Stewart) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2018 10:15:09 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Deliver Update In-Reply-To: <5aaa8dd2.42219f0a.51786.e4c9@mx.google.com> References: <5aaa8dd2.42219f0a.51786.e4c9@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Your message or his? On 3/15/2018 8:14 AM, w4grj wrote: > What a waste of bandwidthJackW4GRJ > From pvandyke1953 at gmail.com Thu Mar 15 13:52:04 2018 From: pvandyke1953 at gmail.com (Paul Van Dyke) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2018 13:52:04 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Deliver Update In-Reply-To: References: <5aaa8dd2.42219f0a.51786.e4c9@mx.google.com> Message-ID: The KPA1500 will be on your door step as fast as they can ship them. IF I remember, it was going to take a few weeks just to get thru the 1st days orders. Paul. KB9AVO Waiting also . But it will get to me .. Not worried On Mar 15, 2018 12:17 PM, "Wes Stewart" wrote: > Your message or his? > > On 3/15/2018 8:14 AM, w4grj wrote: > >> What a waste of bandwidthJackW4GRJ >> >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to pvandyke1953 at gmail.com > From N9KY at arrl.net Thu Mar 15 11:08:03 2018 From: N9KY at arrl.net (Chuck Milam, N9KY) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2018 10:08:03 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Static Discharge Through K-Pod Message-ID: Greetings, All! I'm getting static electricity shocks through my K-Pod case, and I need some suggestions for mitigation. Background: I keep my K-Pod on my operating desk just to the right of the shack computer mouse. I've noticed when I walk over to the desk and grab the mouse, the K-Pod will beep. Further investigation shows I'm getting static electricity discharge from my finger through the K-Pod, this morning I even noticed an arc from my pinky finger to the K-Pod case. When the K-Pod beeps, the D1 and D2 lights will cycle. The shack is carpeted, and I have a rolling chair on one of those plastic chair mats (which can probably go away if necessary,) I suspect that mat is probably contributing to the static problem. Obviously, I don't want static electricity discharging through my K-Pod and then through my K3. I'd welcome any ideas for static mitigation strategies. I was thinking some sort of grounded mouse/keyboard mat, which used to be more common, but seem hard to find these days. 73, Chuck Milam, N9KY N9KY at arrl.net From wa6nhc at gmail.com Thu Mar 15 14:06:33 2018 From: wa6nhc at gmail.com (Rick WA6NHC) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2018 11:06:33 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Deliver Update In-Reply-To: References: <5aaa8dd2.42219f0a.51786.e4c9@mx.google.com> Message-ID: It appears that they are still working on the first day orders, which I'm sure that day alone was massive.? Mine was confirmed (paid) at 12:54 PM 24 Aug 17 and I've had no notice yet. Patience, is required. Rick NHC On 3/15/2018 10:52 AM, Paul Van Dyke wrote: > The KPA1500 will be on your door step as fast as they can ship them. IF I > remember, it was going to take a few weeks just to get thru the 1st days > orders. > > Paul. KB9AVO > Waiting also . But it will get to me .. Not worried > > On Mar 15, 2018 12:17 PM, "Wes Stewart" wrote: > >> Your message or his? >> >> On 3/15/2018 8:14 AM, w4grj wrote: >> >>> What a waste of bandwidthJackW4GRJ >>> >>> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to pvandyke1953 at gmail.com >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wa6nhc at gmail.com From K8UT at charter.net Thu Mar 15 14:42:09 2018 From: K8UT at charter.net (Larry (K8UT)) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2018 18:42:09 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Static Discharge Through K-Pod In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Chuck, I had this problem in my carpeted shack with a desk chair rolling around on a vinyl chair pad. After a little testing I determined that the metal case of the K-Pod is not grounded. The KPod uses a straight-through 6 conductor cable with identical RJ connectors on each end. I built a slightly longer cable for my KPod, using 6 conductors of a stranded 8 conductor flat ethernet wire. A 7th conductor provides chassis ground from the K3 to the metal case of the KPod. I have had zero issues since grounding the K-Pod case. -larry (K8UT) ------ Original Message ------ From: "Chuck Milam, N9KY" To: "Elecraft Mail List" Sent: 2018-03-15 11:08:03 Subject: [Elecraft] Static Discharge Through K-Pod >Greetings, All! > >I'm getting static electricity shocks through my K-Pod case, and I need >some suggestions for mitigation. > >Background: I keep my K-Pod on my operating desk just to the right of >the >shack computer mouse. I've noticed when I walk over to the desk and >grab >the mouse, the K-Pod will beep. Further investigation shows I'm >getting >static electricity discharge from my finger through the K-Pod, this >morning >I even noticed an arc from my pinky finger to the K-Pod case. When the >K-Pod beeps, the D1 and D2 lights will cycle. > >The shack is carpeted, and I have a rolling chair on one of those >plastic >chair mats (which can probably go away if necessary,) I suspect that >mat is >probably contributing to the static problem. > >Obviously, I don't want static electricity discharging through my K-Pod >and >then through my K3. I'd welcome any ideas for static mitigation >strategies. I was thinking some sort of grounded mouse/keyboard mat, >which >used to be more common, but seem hard to find these days. > >73, > >Chuck Milam, N9KY >N9KY at arrl.net >______________________________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >Message delivered to k8ut at charter.net From w4rks73 at gmail.com Thu Mar 15 14:52:00 2018 From: w4rks73 at gmail.com (James Wilson) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2018 13:52:00 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Static Discharge Through K-Pod Message-ID: Chuck, I'm also in an area of low humidity and such static discharges are a problem. I have everything grounded together and a small patch of aluminum foil connected with a 1 megohn resistor. After a trip across the carpet and before touching anything, I touch the foil. The resistor prevents a spark but discharges the charge. That may be worth a try for you. Jim - W4RKS --------------------- >I'm getting static electricity shocks through my K-Pod case, and I need >some suggestions for mitigation. >Background: I keep my K-Pod on my operating desk just to the right of the >shack computer mouse. I've noticed when I walk over to the desk and grab >the mouse, the K-Pod will beep. From kengkopp at gmail.com Thu Mar 15 15:03:35 2018 From: kengkopp at gmail.com (Ken G Kopp) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2018 19:03:35 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Static Discharge Through K-Pod In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The real issue here is the lack of household humidity. A humidifier is probably in the real fix. Several hours of a near-boiling pan of water on the kitchen stove would likely be enlightening. Or, get a "real' anti-static (desk size) work mat with wrist strap. I have one permanently atop my operating desk in front of my K2 and K3. Hint: Amazon is your friend. (:-) 73! K0PP From rmcgraw at blomand.net Thu Mar 15 15:08:08 2018 From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2018 14:08:08 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Static Discharge Through K-Pod In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Mix a solution of 1 part DOWNY fabric softener and 1 part water. Put it in a spray bottle and mist the carpet.? You may need to mist the plastic chair pad as well.?? This should take care of the static issue for quite some time.? If it returns, mist it again. 73 Bob, K4TAX On 3/15/2018 1:52 PM, elecraft-request at mailman.qth.net wrote: > Message: 23 > Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2018 18:42:09 +0000 > From: "Larry (K8UT)" > To: "Chuck Milam, N9KY", "Elecraft Mail List" > > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Static Discharge Through K-Pod > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=utf-8 > > Chuck, > > I had this problem in my carpeted shack with a desk chair rolling around > on a vinyl chair pad. After a little testing I determined that the metal > case of the K-Pod is not grounded. > > The KPod uses a straight-through 6 conductor cable with identical RJ > connectors on each end. I built a slightly longer cable for my KPod, > using 6 conductors of a stranded 8 conductor flat ethernet wire. A 7th > conductor provides chassis ground from the K3 to the metal case of the > KPod. > > I have had zero issues since grounding the K-Pod case. > > -larry (K8UT) > > ------ Original Message ------ > From: "Chuck Milam, N9KY" > To: "Elecraft Mail List" > Sent: 2018-03-15 11:08:03 > Subject: [Elecraft] Static Discharge Through K-Pod > >> Greetings, All! >> >> I'm getting static electricity shocks through my K-Pod case, and I need >> some suggestions for mitigation. >> >> Background: I keep my K-Pod on my operating desk just to the right of >> the >> shack computer mouse. I've noticed when I walk over to the desk and >> grab >> the mouse, the K-Pod will beep. Further investigation shows I'm >> getting >> static electricity discharge from my finger through the K-Pod, this >> morning >> I even noticed an arc from my pinky finger to the K-Pod case. When the >> K-Pod beeps, the D1 and D2 lights will cycle. >> >> The shack is carpeted, and I have a rolling chair on one of those >> plastic >> chair mats (which can probably go away if necessary,) I suspect that >> mat is >> probably contributing to the static problem. >> >> Obviously, I don't want static electricity discharging through my K-Pod >> and >> then through my K3. I'd welcome any ideas for static mitigation >> strategies. I was thinking some sort of grounded mouse/keyboard mat, >> which >> used to be more common, but seem hard to find these days. >> >> 73, >> >> Chuck Milam, N9KY >> N9KY at arrl.net >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home:http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help:http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post:mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by:http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list:http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered tok8ut at charter.net > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 24 > Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2018 13:52:00 -0500 > From: James Wilson > To:elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Static Discharge Through K-Pod > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Chuck, > > I'm also in an area of low humidity and such static discharges > > are a problem. I have everything grounded together and a small > > patch of aluminum foil connected with a 1 megohn resistor. After > > a trip across the carpet and before touching anything, I touch the > > foil. The resistor prevents a spark but discharges the charge. That > > may be worth a try for you. > > Jim - W4RKS > > --------------------- > >> I'm getting static electricity shocks through my K-Pod case, and I need >> some suggestions for mitigation. >> Background: I keep my K-Pod on my operating desk just to the right of the >> shack computer mouse. I've noticed when I walk over to the desk and grab >> the mouse, the K-Pod will beep. From eric at elecraft.com Thu Mar 15 15:34:54 2018 From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2018 12:34:54 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Please keep it cordial - No personal criticisms or attacks please In-Reply-To: <5aaa8dd2.42219f0a.51786.e4c9@mx.google.com> References: <5aaa8dd2.42219f0a.51786.e4c9@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <9ec3a491-c925-0d9b-4d99-e94368cd77c4@elecraft.com> Just a friendly reminder - making personal criticisms other's email postings to the list, or follow on snide comments by others, just generate unneeded noise on the list, are clearly outside of the list guidelines,? and are not acceptable.? (The delete key is always available if you do not like a posting.) Nobody outside of the official list moderator should be making any judgements here about the validity of a list posting. Life is short - Let's keep it polite and cordial here as if we were talking face to face. 73, Eric COO and Moderator etc. /elecraft.com/ From eric at elecraft.com Thu Mar 15 15:49:25 2018 From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2018 12:49:25 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Deliver Update In-Reply-To: References: <5aaa8dd2.42219f0a.51786.e4c9@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <011f551a-4f05-01ca-8673-d1c0ba8cf2f6@elecraft.com> We are working hard and have just updated the KPA1500 shipping status as of today 3/15. see:? http://elecraft.com/shipping_status.htm 73, Eric /elecraft.com/ On 3/15/2018 11:06 AM, Rick WA6NHC wrote: > It appears that they are still working on the first day orders, which I'm sure > that day alone was massive.? Mine was confirmed (paid) at 12:54 PM 24 Aug 17 > and I've had no notice yet. > > Patience, is required. > > Rick NHC > > > On 3/15/2018 10:52 AM, Paul Van Dyke wrote: >> The KPA1500 will be on your door step as fast as they can ship them. IF I >> remember, it was going to take a few weeks just to get thru the 1st days >> orders. >> >> Paul. KB9AVO >> Waiting also .? But it will get to me .. Not worried >> From ar at dseven.org Thu Mar 15 15:52:24 2018 From: ar at dseven.org (iain macdonnell - N6ML) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2018 12:52:24 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Deliver Update In-Reply-To: <011f551a-4f05-01ca-8673-d1c0ba8cf2f6@elecraft.com> References: <5aaa8dd2.42219f0a.51786.e4c9@mx.google.com> <011f551a-4f05-01ca-8673-d1c0ba8cf2f6@elecraft.com> Message-ID: Or.... http://www.elecraft.com/elecraft_shipping_status.htm 73, ~iain / N6ML On Thu, Mar 15, 2018 at 12:49 PM, Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft wrote: > We are working hard and have just updated the KPA1500 shipping status as of > today 3/15. > > see: http://elecraft.com/shipping_status.htm > > 73, > Eric > /elecraft.com/ > > On 3/15/2018 11:06 AM, Rick WA6NHC wrote: >> >> It appears that they are still working on the first day orders, which I'm >> sure that day alone was massive. Mine was confirmed (paid) at 12:54 PM 24 >> Aug 17 and I've had no notice yet. >> >> Patience, is required. >> >> Rick NHC >> >> >> On 3/15/2018 10:52 AM, Paul Van Dyke wrote: >>> >>> The KPA1500 will be on your door step as fast as they can ship them. IF I >>> remember, it was going to take a few weeks just to get thru the 1st days >>> orders. >>> >>> Paul. KB9AVO >>> Waiting also . But it will get to me .. Not worried >>> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to ar at dseven.org From eric at elecraft.com Thu Mar 15 15:54:58 2018 From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2018 12:54:58 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Deliver Update In-Reply-To: References: <5aaa8dd2.42219f0a.51786.e4c9@mx.google.com> <011f551a-4f05-01ca-8673-d1c0ba8cf2f6@elecraft.com> Message-ID: Aargh :-)?? You are correct!? My typo.. Thanks for the correction. 73, Eric /elecraft.com/ On 3/15/2018 12:52 PM, iain macdonnell - N6ML wrote: > Or.... http://www.elecraft.com/elecraft_shipping_status.htm > > 73, > > ~iain / N6ML > From wa6nhc at gmail.com Thu Mar 15 15:54:00 2018 From: wa6nhc at gmail.com (Rick WA6NHC) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2018 12:54:00 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Deliver Update In-Reply-To: References: <5aaa8dd2.42219f0a.51786.e4c9@mx.google.com> <011f551a-4f05-01ca-8673-d1c0ba8cf2f6@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <14124a99-dc45-8121-de39-b32a48edfed0@gmail.com> *KPA1500s are Shipping!* *We are still shipping orders from August 24th, the first day we began taking orders. *Due to very large rush of orders we received on 8/24, we expect to continue shipping those orders over the next 2-3 weeks. /Its been a lot of hard work getting the KPA1500 released and rolling, but we are all excited to see KPA1500s burning in on the test racks, heading out the door and hearing them on the air!///// Email and/or phone notifications will be sent each week to customers whose KPA1500 is expected to ship within the next 7 working days. Please note that KPA1500 orders were received simultaneously via the website, emails, mail, trade shows and phone calls, so order numbers will not indicate exactly where you are in the delivery queue. We also received a very large number of KPA1500 orders daily during the first several weeks, so orders with the same order date will ship spread over a large number of days. You can also see eHam reviews of the KPA1500 at: *http://www.eham.net/reviews/detail/13702 ***** On 3/15/2018 12:52 PM, iain macdonnell - N6ML wrote: > Or.... http://www.elecraft.com/elecraft_shipping_status.htm > > 73, > > ~iain / N6ML > > > > On Thu, Mar 15, 2018 at 12:49 PM, Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft > wrote: >> We are working hard and have just updated the KPA1500 shipping status as of >> today 3/15. >> >> see: http://elecraft.com/shipping_status.htm >> >> 73, >> Eric >> /elecraft.com/ >> >> On 3/15/2018 11:06 AM, Rick WA6NHC wrote: >>> It appears that they are still working on the first day orders, which I'm >>> sure that day alone was massive. Mine was confirmed (paid) at 12:54 PM 24 >>> Aug 17 and I've had no notice yet. >>> >>> Patience, is required. >>> >>> Rick NHC >>> >>> >>> On 3/15/2018 10:52 AM, Paul Van Dyke wrote: >>>> The KPA1500 will be on your door step as fast as they can ship them. IF I >>>> remember, it was going to take a few weeks just to get thru the 1st days >>>> orders. >>>> >>>> Paul. KB9AVO >>>> Waiting also . But it will get to me .. Not worried >>>> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to ar at dseven.org > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wa6nhc at gmail.com From ar at dseven.org Thu Mar 15 15:59:29 2018 From: ar at dseven.org (iain macdonnell - N6ML) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2018 12:59:29 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Deliver Update In-Reply-To: References: <5aaa8dd2.42219f0a.51786.e4c9@mx.google.com> <011f551a-4f05-01ca-8673-d1c0ba8cf2f6@elecraft.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Mar 15, 2018 at 12:54 PM, Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft wrote: > Aargh :-) You are correct! My typo.. :) It doesn't look updated to me, though. It might also be good if statements like "Due to very large rush of orders we received on 8/24, we expect to continue shipping those orders over the next 2-3 weeks." could be accompanied by the date on which they were posted... it seems like that was the status about a month ago :/ I wonder if the update didn't get pushed, or maybe there's caching somewhere. It's not in my browser. 73, ~iain / N6ML > On 3/15/2018 12:52 PM, iain macdonnell - N6ML wrote: > > Or.... http://www.elecraft.com/elecraft_shipping_status.htm > > 73, > > ~iain / N6ML > > From k9jri at mac.com Thu Mar 15 16:18:41 2018 From: k9jri at mac.com (Michael Blake) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2018 16:18:41 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KIO3B Digital I/O assembly Message-ID: I am not sure how many of you have noticed the warnings in the K3s and P3 manual to NOT plug a USB B connector into the 8P8C modular jack lableled ?RS232/P3? on the rear of the K3s. This is a VERY important warning but only if you read it prior to inserting the USB cable (twice) into the RS232/P3 jack on the KIO3B. It was the very first plug I inserted after completing my kit while looking over the radio from the front. I did it twice because it did not seem to fit correctly:). I did not realize that I had ?squished? it for a couple of weeks as I had not tried to use the jack. Since this little bugger (KIO3B Digital I/O Assy E850646) costs $98, believe it or not, I want to repair my existing board after the replacement arrives tomorrow. If I did it once I will probably do it again. My problem is that there are dozens of similar jacks and I need to find the correct manufacturer, part number and source for this particular 8P8C circuit board mounted modular jack. I have the tools and the skills but I lack the correct part. If anyone from Elecraft could provide me with the proper replacement jack information I would be very grateful. Very 73 - Mike - K9JRI From ar at dseven.org Thu Mar 15 16:34:39 2018 From: ar at dseven.org (iain macdonnell - N6ML) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2018 13:34:39 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KIO3B Digital I/O assembly In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Ugh! I hope you didn't blow anything by shorting pins together with the shield of the USB plug! 73, ~iain / N6ML On Thu, Mar 15, 2018 at 1:18 PM, Michael Blake wrote: > I am not sure how many of you have noticed the warnings in the K3s and P3 manual to NOT plug a USB B connector into the 8P8C modular jack lableled ?RS232/P3? on the rear of the K3s. This is a VERY important warning but only if you read it prior to inserting the USB cable (twice) into the RS232/P3 jack on the KIO3B. > > It was the very first plug I inserted after completing my kit while looking over the radio from the front. I did it twice because it did not seem to fit correctly:). I did not realize that I had ?squished? it for a couple of weeks as I had not tried to use the jack. > > Since this little bugger (KIO3B Digital I/O Assy E850646) costs $98, believe it or not, I want to repair my existing board after the replacement arrives tomorrow. If I did it once I will probably do it again. > > My problem is that there are dozens of similar jacks and I need to find the correct manufacturer, part number and source for this particular 8P8C circuit board mounted modular jack. I have the tools and the skills but I lack the correct part. > > If anyone from Elecraft could provide me with the proper replacement jack information I would be very grateful. From dennis at mail4life.net Thu Mar 15 16:39:15 2018 From: dennis at mail4life.net (Dennis Moore) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2018 13:39:15 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Deliver Update In-Reply-To: References: <5aaa8dd2.42219f0a.51786.e4c9@mx.google.com> <011f551a-4f05-01ca-8673-d1c0ba8cf2f6@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <317e1416-1673-f689-3bd6-1cc122015e00@mail4life.net> There is a date at the top of the page, March 15th. So I would preface the "Due to very large rush..." with "As of March 15th, ..) 73, Dennis NJ6G On 3/15/2018 12:59, iain macdonnell - N6ML wrote: > It doesn't look updated to me, though. It might also be good if > statements like "Due to very large rush of orders we received on 8/24, > we expect to continue shipping those orders over the next 2-3 weeks." > could be accompanied by the date on which they were posted... it seems > like that was the status about a month ago :/ I wonder if the update > didn't get pushed, or maybe there's caching somewhere. It's not in my > browser. > > 73, > > ~iain / N6ML From ar at dseven.org Thu Mar 15 17:00:50 2018 From: ar at dseven.org (iain macdonnell - N6ML) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2018 14:00:50 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Deliver Update In-Reply-To: <317e1416-1673-f689-3bd6-1cc122015e00@mail4life.net> References: <5aaa8dd2.42219f0a.51786.e4c9@mx.google.com> <011f551a-4f05-01ca-8673-d1c0ba8cf2f6@elecraft.com> <317e1416-1673-f689-3bd6-1cc122015e00@mail4life.net> Message-ID: That was was the status on Feb 6th, though: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/KPA1500-ordered-8-24-td7638005.html#a7638028 So I'm failing to see an update.... 73, ~iain / N6ML On Thu, Mar 15, 2018 at 1:39 PM, Dennis Moore wrote: > There is a date at the top of the page, March 15th. So I would preface the > "Due to very large rush..." with "As of March 15th, ..) > > 73, Dennis NJ6G > > > On 3/15/2018 12:59, iain macdonnell - N6ML wrote: >> >> It doesn't look updated to me, though. It might also be good if >> statements like "Due to very large rush of orders we received on 8/24, >> we expect to continue shipping those orders over the next 2-3 weeks." >> could be accompanied by the date on which they were posted... it seems >> like that was the status about a month ago :/ I wonder if the update >> didn't get pushed, or maybe there's caching somewhere. It's not in my >> browser. >> >> 73, >> >> ~iain / N6ML > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to ar at dseven.org From ar at dseven.org Thu Mar 15 17:04:27 2018 From: ar at dseven.org (iain macdonnell - N6ML) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2018 14:04:27 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Deliver Update In-Reply-To: References: <5aaa8dd2.42219f0a.51786.e4c9@mx.google.com> <011f551a-4f05-01ca-8673-d1c0ba8cf2f6@elecraft.com> <317e1416-1673-f689-3bd6-1cc122015e00@mail4life.net> Message-ID: I guess "3-4 weeks" has become "2-3 weeks" (since 5 weeks ago)..... so maybe if we substitute "months" for "weeks" we'll get something more realistic :/ I still think that each time-relative statement on that page should include an individual timestamp. 73, ~iain / N6ML On Thu, Mar 15, 2018 at 2:00 PM, iain macdonnell - N6ML wrote: > That was was the status on Feb 6th, though: > > http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/KPA1500-ordered-8-24-td7638005.html#a7638028 > > So I'm failing to see an update.... > > 73, > > ~iain / N6ML > > > > On Thu, Mar 15, 2018 at 1:39 PM, Dennis Moore wrote: >> There is a date at the top of the page, March 15th. So I would preface the >> "Due to very large rush..." with "As of March 15th, ..) >> >> 73, Dennis NJ6G >> >> >> On 3/15/2018 12:59, iain macdonnell - N6ML wrote: >>> >>> It doesn't look updated to me, though. It might also be good if >>> statements like "Due to very large rush of orders we received on 8/24, >>> we expect to continue shipping those orders over the next 2-3 weeks." >>> could be accompanied by the date on which they were posted... it seems >>> like that was the status about a month ago :/ I wonder if the update >>> didn't get pushed, or maybe there's caching somewhere. It's not in my >>> browser. >>> >>> 73, >>> >>> ~iain / N6ML >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to ar at dseven.org From htodd at twofifty.com Thu Mar 15 17:25:23 2018 From: htodd at twofifty.com (Hisashi T Fujinaka) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2018 14:25:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Elecraft] Static Discharge Through K-Pod In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Warning! Until that dries, it could be very slippery! On Thu, 15 Mar 2018, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote: > Mix a solution of 1 part DOWNY fabric softener and 1 part water. Put it > in a spray bottle and mist the carpet. You may need to mist the plastic > chair pad as well. This should take care of the static issue for quite > some time. If it returns, mist it again. > > 73 > > Bob, K4TAX > > > On 3/15/2018 1:52 PM, elecraft-request at mailman.qth.net wrote: >> Message: 23 >> Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2018 18:42:09 +0000 >> From: "Larry (K8UT)" >> To: "Chuck Milam, N9KY", "Elecraft Mail List" >> >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Static Discharge Through K-Pod >> Message-ID: >> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=utf-8 >> >> Chuck, >> >> I had this problem in my carpeted shack with a desk chair rolling around >> on a vinyl chair pad. After a little testing I determined that the metal >> case of the K-Pod is not grounded. >> >> The KPod uses a straight-through 6 conductor cable with identical RJ >> connectors on each end. I built a slightly longer cable for my KPod, >> using 6 conductors of a stranded 8 conductor flat ethernet wire. A 7th >> conductor provides chassis ground from the K3 to the metal case of the >> KPod. >> >> I have had zero issues since grounding the K-Pod case. >> >> -larry (K8UT) >> >> ------ Original Message ------ >> From: "Chuck Milam, N9KY" >> To: "Elecraft Mail List" >> Sent: 2018-03-15 11:08:03 >> Subject: [Elecraft] Static Discharge Through K-Pod >> >>> Greetings, All! >>> >>> I'm getting static electricity shocks through my K-Pod case, and I need >>> some suggestions for mitigation. >>> >>> Background: I keep my K-Pod on my operating desk just to the right of >>> the >>> shack computer mouse. I've noticed when I walk over to the desk and >>> grab >>> the mouse, the K-Pod will beep. Further investigation shows I'm >>> getting >>> static electricity discharge from my finger through the K-Pod, this >>> morning >>> I even noticed an arc from my pinky finger to the K-Pod case. When the >>> K-Pod beeps, the D1 and D2 lights will cycle. >>> >>> The shack is carpeted, and I have a rolling chair on one of those >>> plastic >>> chair mats (which can probably go away if necessary,) I suspect that >>> mat is >>> probably contributing to the static problem. >>> >>> Obviously, I don't want static electricity discharging through my K-Pod >>> and >>> then through my K3. I'd welcome any ideas for static mitigation >>> strategies. I was thinking some sort of grounded mouse/keyboard mat, >>> which >>> used to be more common, but seem hard to find these days. >>> >>> 73, >>> >>> Chuck Milam, N9KY >>> N9KY at arrl.net >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home:http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help:http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post:mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by:http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list:http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered tok8ut at charter.net >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 24 >> Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2018 13:52:00 -0500 >> From: James Wilson >> To:elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Static Discharge Through K-Pod >> Message-ID: >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" >> >> Chuck, >> >> I'm also in an area of low humidity and such static discharges >> >> are a problem. I have everything grounded together and a small >> >> patch of aluminum foil connected with a 1 megohn resistor. After >> >> a trip across the carpet and before touching anything, I touch the >> >> foil. The resistor prevents a spark but discharges the charge. That >> >> may be worth a try for you. >> >> Jim - W4RKS >> >> --------------------- >> >>> I'm getting static electricity shocks through my K-Pod case, and I need >>> some suggestions for mitigation. >>> Background: I keep my K-Pod on my operating desk just to the right of the >>> shack computer mouse. I've noticed when I walk over to the desk and grab >>> the mouse, the K-Pod will beep. > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to htodd at twofifty.com -- Hisashi T Fujinaka - htodd at twofifty.com BSEE + BSChem + BAEnglish + MSCS + $2.50 = coffee From nr4c at widomaker.com Thu Mar 15 17:40:12 2018 From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2018 17:40:12 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Deliver Update In-Reply-To: References: <5aaa8dd2.42219f0a.51786.e4c9@mx.google.com> Message-ID: All! Sent from my iPhone ...nr4c. bill > On Mar 15, 2018, at 1:15 PM, Wes Stewart wrote: > > Your message or his? > >> On 3/15/2018 8:14 AM, w4grj wrote: >> What a waste of bandwidthJackW4GRJ >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to nr4c at widomaker.com From nr4c at widomaker.com Thu Mar 15 17:42:07 2018 From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2018 17:42:07 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Static Discharge Through K-Pod In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9D836443-B773-4796-94F2-0E30A87D8A89@widomaker.com> Try a humidifier to reduce the static. Sent from my iPhone ...nr4c. bill > On Mar 15, 2018, at 11:08 AM, Chuck Milam, N9KY wrote: > > Greetings, All! > > I'm getting static electricity shocks through my K-Pod case, and I need > some suggestions for mitigation. > > Background: I keep my K-Pod on my operating desk just to the right of the > shack computer mouse. I've noticed when I walk over to the desk and grab > the mouse, the K-Pod will beep. Further investigation shows I'm getting > static electricity discharge from my finger through the K-Pod, this morning > I even noticed an arc from my pinky finger to the K-Pod case. When the > K-Pod beeps, the D1 and D2 lights will cycle. > > The shack is carpeted, and I have a rolling chair on one of those plastic > chair mats (which can probably go away if necessary,) I suspect that mat is > probably contributing to the static problem. > > Obviously, I don't want static electricity discharging through my K-Pod and > then through my K3. I'd welcome any ideas for static mitigation > strategies. I was thinking some sort of grounded mouse/keyboard mat, which > used to be more common, but seem hard to find these days. > > 73, > > Chuck Milam, N9KY > N9KY at arrl.net > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to nr4c at widomaker.com From w3tb.ted at gmail.com Thu Mar 15 20:18:42 2018 From: w3tb.ted at gmail.com (Ted Edwards W3TB) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2018 20:18:42 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Static Discharge Through K-Pod In-Reply-To: <9D836443-B773-4796-94F2-0E30A87D8A89@widomaker.com> References: <9D836443-B773-4796-94F2-0E30A87D8A89@widomaker.com> Message-ID: There has been very low humidity this week, and I have had some shocks at home. When we got lots of static discharge shocks after walking on my mother-in-law's carpet, I put some 1 Meg Ohm resistors under the light switch cover screw for her to touch in the winter before the switch. Silly idea but it worked to discharge all the static but so slowly as to not experience the shock. There might be a similar solution to touching the K-Pod. My K-Pod arrived today, and my only annoyance is that the cables are too short for both the radio line and the 12v line. On Thu, Mar 15, 2018 at 5:42 PM, Nr4c wrote: > Try a humidifier to reduce the static. > > Sent from my iPhone > ...nr4c. bill > > > > On Mar 15, 2018, at 11:08 AM, Chuck Milam, N9KY wrote: > > > > Greetings, All! > > > > I'm getting static electricity shocks through my K-Pod case, and I need > > some suggestions for mitigation. > > > > Background: I keep my K-Pod on my operating desk just to the right of > the > > shack computer mouse. I've noticed when I walk over to the desk and grab > > the mouse, the K-Pod will beep. Further investigation shows I'm getting > > static electricity discharge from my finger through the K-Pod, this > morning > > I even noticed an arc from my pinky finger to the K-Pod case. When the > > K-Pod beeps, the D1 and D2 lights will cycle. > > > > The shack is carpeted, and I have a rolling chair on one of those plastic > > chair mats (which can probably go away if necessary,) I suspect that mat > is > > probably contributing to the static problem. > > > > Obviously, I don't want static electricity discharging through my K-Pod > and > > then through my K3. I'd welcome any ideas for static mitigation > > strategies. I was thinking some sort of grounded mouse/keyboard mat, > which > > used to be more common, but seem hard to find these days. > > > > 73, > > > > Chuck Milam, N9KY > > N9KY at arrl.net > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to nr4c at widomaker.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to w3tb.ted at gmail.com > -- 73 de Ted Edwards, W3TB and G?PWW and thinking about operating CW: "Do today what others won't, so you can do tomorrow what others can't." From K1ND at comcast.net Thu Mar 15 21:32:57 2018 From: K1ND at comcast.net (Jan) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2018 21:32:57 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] March 2018 Newsletter Message-ID: <34272a05-abbe-9852-49d4-ae57773933d8@comcast.net> Oh WOW? ~ I like the article by Wayne, N6KR*/Extreme QRPp using the KX2, KX3, K3, or K3S/* Via this technique I (we) can use the "unit" as a Signal Generator . . . . as I'm in need of "that" just now, while troubleshooting my Genesis G59 MKIII sdr transceiver kit Thanks Wayne ! Cheers, Jan K1ND //*//* From gadgetlust at gmail.com Thu Mar 15 21:33:38 2018 From: gadgetlust at gmail.com (Bob Harvey - K2PI) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2018 18:33:38 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Mic Bias Message-ID: <1521164018505-0.post@n2.nabble.com> When using a rear panel headset requiring Bias, what is the state of Bias on the Front Panel mic connector? I have a PR-781 Microphone that doesn't require bias, and have it disconnected from the front panel when using the rear bias'd mic and the RP bias setting in the menu. Do I need to do this? 73 Harv K2PI -- Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ From donwilh at embarqmail.com Thu Mar 15 21:57:00 2018 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2018 21:57:00 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Mic Bias In-Reply-To: <1521164018505-0.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1521164018505-0.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: Harv, If you have the Rear Panel bias set on, and the Front Panel bias set on, all you have to do is change MIC SEL fron the front panel to the rear panel. In other words, no problem. 73, Don W3FPR On 3/15/2018 9:33 PM, Bob Harvey - K2PI wrote: > When using a rear panel headset requiring Bias, what is the state of Bias on > the Front Panel mic connector? > > I have a PR-781 Microphone that doesn't require bias, and have it > disconnected from the front panel when using the rear bias'd mic and the RP > bias setting in the menu. Do I need to do this? > > 73 > Harv > K2PI > > > > > -- > Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to donwilh at embarqmail.com > From eric.csuf at gmail.com Thu Mar 15 22:30:34 2018 From: eric.csuf at gmail.com (EricJ) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2018 19:30:34 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] March 2018 Newsletter In-Reply-To: <34272a05-abbe-9852-49d4-ae57773933d8@comcast.net> References: <34272a05-abbe-9852-49d4-ae57773933d8@comcast.net> Message-ID: <159d55e6-4947-a4b2-72a8-428fb1af42a0@gmail.com> I used my K2 as a VFO for a Drake 2NT boat anchor transmitter for quite awhile. Worked great while I worked on a real one that fit the character of boat anchors better--the K2 version was lacking sufficient drift and chirp to be convincing. I modified a Siltronix (Swan) CB VFO to fit the bill. https://photos.app.goo.gl/QfoK1uiRQDHZ86Cj1 Should do well for you as a signal generator. Eric KE6US On 3/15/2018 6:32 PM, Jan wrote: > Oh WOW? ~ I like the article by Wayne, N6KR*/Extreme QRPp using the > KX2, KX3, K3, or K3S/* > > Via this technique I (we) can use the "unit" as a Signal Generator . . > . . as I'm in need of "that" just now, while troubleshooting my > Genesis G59 MKIII sdr transceiver kit > > Thanks Wayne ! > > Cheers, Jan K1ND > //*//* > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to eric.csuf at gmail.com From nr4c at widomaker.com Thu Mar 15 23:09:31 2018 From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2018 23:09:31 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Mic Bias In-Reply-To: <1521164018505-0.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1521164018505-0.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: No Bias is independent as to front/rear connections. I use my headset w/bias (CM500) on rear and my Heil HM12 dynamic mic on from without bias in front jack. Sent from my iPhone ...nr4c. bill > On Mar 15, 2018, at 9:33 PM, Bob Harvey - K2PI wrote: > > When using a rear panel headset requiring Bias, what is the state of Bias on > the Front Panel mic connector? > > I have a PR-781 Microphone that doesn't require bias, and have it > disconnected from the front panel when using the rear bias'd mic and the RP > bias setting in the menu. Do I need to do this? > > 73 > Harv > K2PI > > > > > -- > Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to nr4c at widomaker.com From n7xy at n7xy.net Fri Mar 16 02:19:30 2018 From: n7xy at n7xy.net (Bob Nielsen) Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2018 23:19:30 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Dish/Direct TV RFI? In-Reply-To: <24757418-D6F3-4AE0-AA50-D3E05902C6CD@sbcglobal.net> References: <24757418-D6F3-4AE0-AA50-D3E05902C6CD@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <579eb1fc-007f-5b7e-8af1-083e4b55c307@n7xy.net> This is getting a bit off-topic, but Directv has larger hard drives and even add-on extenders up to 4 TB,? as well as a dedicated 4K channel plus on-demand 4K. need a DVR server plus a 4K client box. Bob. N7XY On 3/15/18 9:26 AM, Jim Low man wrote: > I?m wondering how much worse the problem will be as DirecTV goes to this new technology that?s being advertised on TV-something about a wireless receiver. I?ll have to pay more attention. It sounds like something that the girlfriend may want to wait for. Right now her equipment is first-generation, and she would like to have a DVR with larger capacity and a 4K-capable receiver for whenever that becomes available. > > 72/73 de Jim-AD6CW > >> On Mar 15, 2018, at 8:24 AM, John Huggins, kx4o wrote: >> >> You are, of course, absolutely correct Jim. Know that one model of the sat >> receiver uses an RF remote of some sort that many think is the culprit. >> >> Sadly the response from the, understandably RF clueless, sat help lines is >> kind of like going to a doctor with the plea "it hurts to do this" and >> response of "well don't do that." >> >> I suspect nothing will change much until a 40m signal affects the sat >> systems of the ham's neighbors resulting in a Part 15/97 brawl. >> >>> On Wed, March 14, 2018 22:47, Jim Brown wrote: >>> Problems like this are the result of design defects in the cable modem. >>> It should be possible to solve problems of this sort by winding multiple >>> turns of both the coax and the power cable #31 or #43 Fair-Rite toroids. >>> See >>> >>> http://k9yc.com/KillingReceiveNoise.pdf >>> >>> for part numbers and guidelines for winding. While the app note discusses >>> RX noise radiated from gear like this, the cures are the same >>> for both. >>> >>> AND -- because it's the result of a defective modem (i.e. a bad design), >>> ALWAYS call the vendor and tell them to fix it. >>> >>> 73, Jim K9YC >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to jmlowman at sbcglobal.net > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n7xy at n7xy.net From ldormiston at gmail.com Fri Mar 16 03:14:40 2018 From: ldormiston at gmail.com (Lee Ormiston) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2018 01:14:40 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Please keep it cordial - No personal criticisms or attacks please In-Reply-To: <9ec3a491-c925-0d9b-4d99-e94368cd77c4@elecraft.com> References: <5aaa8dd2.42219f0a.51786.e4c9@mx.google.com> <9ec3a491-c925-0d9b-4d99-e94368cd77c4@elecraft.com> Message-ID: Thank you Eric. On Thu, Mar 15, 2018 at 1:34 PM, Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft < eric at elecraft.com> wrote: > Just a friendly reminder - making personal criticisms other's email > postings to the list, or follow on snide comments by others, just generate > unneeded noise on the list, are clearly outside of the list guidelines, > and are not acceptable. (The delete key is always available if you do not > like a posting.) > > Nobody outside of the official list moderator should be making any > judgements here about the validity of a list posting. > > Life is short - Let's keep it polite and cordial here as if we were > talking face to face. > > 73, > Eric > COO and Moderator etc. > /elecraft.com/ > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to ldormiston at gmail.com From ve2fww at globetrotter.net Fri Mar 16 03:44:22 2018 From: ve2fww at globetrotter.net (NOEL POULIN) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2018 03:44:22 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] kx3 with the krc2 Message-ID: Hi, I have connected the KX3 to the Krc2 Band Decoder. It is working ok now , thanks to Don W3FPR, and also to VIC VE3YT for their help. I used a KXSER cable between the KX3 and the decoder and a serial cable between the decoder to the pc. Vic told me what jumpers to use to make the decoder to work.Thanks again. And Don also gave me a lot of infos..appreciated Don.. Now I have to move this set up to a laptop computer, and there? is no serial port on this laptop. I have in my shack an IOGEAR USB TO SERIAL adapter model GUC232A. I connect it to the lap top, and I SEE COM9 in the device manag of the laptop computer. The kx3 will be connected to the laptop with the KXUSB CABLE on port 3.I use Win4k3Suite software.. Win4k3 suite can talk to the KX3 without any problems... If I want to put the KRC2 between the the KX3 and the laptop .....will I have to? use the GUC232A cable....the big question, is... ?? will that set up be working with the GUC232A... I would appreciate help... I am a bit confused about the COM9 (GUC232A).... Thanks? very much Noel From donwilh at embarqmail.com Fri Mar 16 08:18:20 2018 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2018 08:18:20 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] kx3 with the krc2 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6621bcee-6ad5-c6cd-a2f9-988402abdc1e@embarqmail.com> Noel, You just need to tell Win4K3 software to use COM port 9 and all should work fine. Be aware that if you plug that USB to serial adapter into another USB socket, the COM port assignment may be changed. 73, Don W3FPR On 3/16/2018 3:44 AM, NOEL POULIN wrote: > Hi, > I have connected the KX3 to the Krc2 Band Decoder. > It is working ok now , thanks to Don W3FPR, and also to VIC VE3YT for > their help. > I used a KXSER cable between the KX3 and the decoder and a serial cable > between the decoder to the pc. > Vic told me what jumpers to use to make the decoder to work.Thanks > again. And Don also gave me a lot of infos..appreciated Don.. > Now I have to move this set up to a laptop computer, and there? is no > serial port on this laptop. > I have in my shack an IOGEAR USB TO SERIAL adapter model GUC232A. > I connect it to the lap top, and I SEE COM9 in the device manag of the > laptop computer. From k9jri at mac.com Fri Mar 16 11:48:08 2018 From: k9jri at mac.com (Michael Blake) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2018 11:48:08 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KIO3B Digital I/O assembly In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <11EE6D84-9F92-4126-9861-965A0A06B26F@mac.com> I received this response today. Thanks Keith! Hi Mike; We should have these sockets; Elecraft part # E620328 CONN, JACK, RJ-45, SHIELDED Feel free to post this, I get the Digest mode and it is awkward to reply to a single post. PS, It is a common mistake, I have a stack of boards here that I repaired once we got the part in. If the radio is on, sometimes it blows the KIO3B main board, an expensive mistake! One can look into the socket, all the pins should be all the way down and all should be even. Keith WE6R Michael Blake k9jri at mac.com > On Mar 15, 2018, at 4:18 PM, Michael Blake wrote: > > I am not sure how many of you have noticed the warnings in the K3s and P3 manual to NOT plug a USB B connector into the 8P8C modular jack lableled ?RS232/P3? on the rear of the K3s. This is a VERY important warning but only if you read it prior to inserting the USB cable (twice) into the RS232/P3 jack on the KIO3B. > > It was the very first plug I inserted after completing my kit while looking over the radio from the front. I did it twice because it did not seem to fit correctly:). I did not realize that I had ?squished? it for a couple of weeks as I had not tried to use the jack. > > Since this little bugger (KIO3B Digital I/O Assy E850646) costs $98, believe it or not, I want to repair my existing board after the replacement arrives tomorrow. If I did it once I will probably do it again. > > My problem is that there are dozens of similar jacks and I need to find the correct manufacturer, part number and source for this particular 8P8C circuit board mounted modular jack. I have the tools and the skills but I lack the correct part. > > If anyone from Elecraft could provide me with the proper replacement jack information I would be very grateful. > > > Very 73 - Mike - K9JRI > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k9jri at mac.com From k9yeq at live.com Fri Mar 16 13:17:13 2018 From: k9yeq at live.com (Bill Johnson) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2018 17:17:13 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] March 2018 Newsletter In-Reply-To: <34272a05-abbe-9852-49d4-ae57773933d8@comcast.net> References: <34272a05-abbe-9852-49d4-ae57773933d8@comcast.net> Message-ID: I don't see the newsletter on the site. Am I missing something? 73, Bill K9YEQ -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of Jan Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2018 8:33 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] March 2018 Newsletter Oh WOW? ~ I like the article by Wayne, N6KR*/Extreme QRPp using the KX2, KX3, K3, or K3S/* Via this technique I (we) can use the "unit" as a Signal Generator . . . . as I'm in need of "that" just now, while troubleshooting my Genesis G59 MKIII sdr transceiver kit Thanks Wayne ! Cheers, Jan K1ND //*//* ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to k9yeq at live.com From n7tb at comcast.net Fri Mar 16 14:04:54 2018 From: n7tb at comcast.net (Terry Brown) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2018 11:04:54 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Continuing Interface Issues with PX3 in mix with KPXA100 and KX3 Message-ID: <002e01d3bd51$4daa1870$e8fe4950$@comcast.net> I have had continuing interfacing issues since I got my PX3. I originally had a problem with the KXPA100 not tuning or turning off a few seconds after turning it on from the KX3 menu with the PX3 in the circuit. I have triple checked the connections repeatedly and pressed in the connectors until my finger hurt. Most of the time the setup works, but others not. This morning all I did was disconnect the computer interface connector from the PX3 and plugged it into my KX2 for a long overdue firmware update. That went fine. When I plugged the cable back into the PX3, and I tuned the KX3, the tuner would tune, the receive sensitivity would go up as expected showing sig peaks at S9 then would drop back to S2. It was like the KX3 went deaf. Before this happens, the Antenna, On, and Auto LEDs are on the Amp. When sensitivity drops, the KXPA100 has the TX LED come on and stay on too. Once I saw a fault light go on but not now. I have attached the KXPA 100 to the KX3 directly and the KXPA100 works fine as it should. I have no idea what is happening, but this flaky behavior has gone on since I got the PX3 and now, this new problem has arisen. Very frustrating. I would appreciate any help I could get for this issue. Thanks so much, Terry From dave at nk7z.net Fri Mar 16 14:05:13 2018 From: dave at nk7z.net (Dave Cole (NK7Z)) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2018 11:05:13 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] March 2018 Newsletter In-Reply-To: References: <34272a05-abbe-9852-49d4-ae57773933d8@comcast.net> Message-ID: OK, it's not just me then... 73s and thanks, Dave NK7Z https://www.nk7z.net On 03/16/2018 10:17 AM, Bill Johnson wrote: > I don't see the newsletter on the site. Am I missing something? > > 73, > Bill > K9YEQ From k6dgw at foothill.net Fri Mar 16 14:10:27 2018 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2018 11:10:27 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Remote question In-Reply-To: <1dfe01d3bc7e$260f8990$722e9cb0$@gmail.com> References: <1dfe01d3bc7e$260f8990$722e9cb0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20d3b4b4-9a7f-cf8f-82c2-6032ab33a889@foothill.net> Tom:? The K3 [with latest or almost latest FW] has a TERM mode.? A long hold on the MENU button will engage it. The K3/0 and K3/0 mini are in TERM mode all the time.? In TERM mode, two K3's can be used for remote control by connecting the RS-232 serial ports via a null modem cable.? Getting it onto the Internet is a bit harder. [:-) The RemoteRig RRC-1258 MK2 creates 4 virtual COM ports when it's USB port is connected to the PC.? Conceptually, they provide 4 "serial pipes" to the remote location.? The RRC puts the control K3 into TERM mode when it detects power on and transmits commands to the remote K3 and receives status.? With only a couple of exceptions, the control K3 looks and feels just like it is making RF, only in TERM mode it isn't. Typically, the "serial pipes" are also used for CAT control of the remote radio from a logger and station automation [antenna switches, rotator control].? The RRC contains a WinKey USB [not sure if it's a real one or an emulation] to which you can direct ASCII character strings from a logger. The RRC will operate with a multitude of radios.? It is thus somewhat tricky to get configured.? The remote radio site needs a routeable IP address [i.e. static].? Beware when buying the RRC's ... the control and remote ends are NOT the same, however they are both RRC-1258 MK2's.? The control end has a CW speed pot on the front, the Remote end does not. The external connections between RRC and control radio's differ some between K3, K3s, K3/0, and K3/0 mini.? The system works well, just be aware that there are a lot of "moving parts" in remote operation.? Single user systems are much easier to keep working than multi-user systems. 73, Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW Sparks NV DM09dn Washoe County On 3/15/2018 9:53 AM, Tom Georgens wrote: > Hello > > > > I am contemplating building some remote capability for my station. I am > early in the process and want to do some basic testing. Can I just connect > two K3 radios with a Null Modem serial cable or do I actually need the > RemoteRig hardware to make the remote functionality work? It looks like my > setup is the opposite of the design intent of the RemoteRig and I am > interested in seeing how the radios behave before I move to the design > phase > > > > Thanks and 73 > > > > Tom W2SC > > From elecraftcovers at gmail.com Fri Mar 16 14:10:31 2018 From: elecraftcovers at gmail.com (Rose) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2018 18:10:31 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] March 2018 Newsletter In-Reply-To: References: <34272a05-abbe-9852-49d4-ae57773933d8@comcast.net> Message-ID: Bill, Are you an Elecraft list member? Dunno, but it came without me doing anything. 73! Rose - N7HKW elecraftcovers at gmail.com On Fri, Mar 16, 2018, 11:21 Bill Johnson wrote: > I don't see the newsletter on the site. Am I missing something? > > 73, > Bill > K9YEQ > > -----Original Message----- > From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net > On Behalf Of Jan > Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2018 8:33 PM > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: [Elecraft] March 2018 Newsletter > > Oh WOW ~ I like the article by Wayne, N6KR*/Extreme QRPp using the KX2, > KX3, K3, or K3S/* > > Via this technique I (we) can use the "unit" as a Signal Generator . . . > . as I'm in need of "that" just now, while troubleshooting my Genesis > G59 MKIII sdr transceiver kit > > Thanks Wayne ! > > Cheers, Jan K1ND > //*//* > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k9yeq at live.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to elecraftcovers at gmail.com From g4gnx at g4gnx.com Fri Mar 16 14:12:37 2018 From: g4gnx at g4gnx.com (G4GNX) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2018 18:12:37 -0000 Subject: [Elecraft] 2D Fasteners Message-ID: <787A59038CCA4268A7023FEC33830B56@G4GNXLaptop> Does anyone know where I can buy a small quantity of the 2D Fasteners that hold Elecraft cases together? These are the aluminum blocks with 2 threaded holes on one pair of sides and 1 threaded hole in the other pair of sides. Is there an alternative name for them? I tried Google and came up with nothing. 73, Alan. G4GNX From n7tb at comcast.net Fri Mar 16 14:16:25 2018 From: n7tb at comcast.net (Terry Brown) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2018 11:16:25 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Update- Continuing Issues with PX# in the mix with KPXA100 and KX3 Message-ID: <003b01d3bd52$e9d05970$bd710c50$@comcast.net> Hello All, As an example of the flaky behavior of my problem, since sending my post to the group a few minutes ago, I unplugged the double connectors that go from the PX3 to the KX3 and reversed them. I then tried to turn on the PA from the KX3 menu, and nothing happened. The KXPA100 would not turn on and the menu would go back to PA off. I reversed the cables back to their regular configuration when I was having the problem, and now everything works as it should. Help! Terry From k9yeq at live.com Fri Mar 16 14:29:51 2018 From: k9yeq at live.com (Bill Johnson) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2018 18:29:51 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Update- Continuing Issues with PX# in the mix with KPXA100 and KX3 In-Reply-To: <003b01d3bd52$e9d05970$bd710c50$@comcast.net> References: <003b01d3bd52$e9d05970$bd710c50$@comcast.net> Message-ID: Corroded contacts? 73, Bill K9YEQ -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of Terry Brown Sent: Friday, March 16, 2018 1:16 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] Update- Continuing Issues with PX# in the mix with KPXA100 and KX3 Hello All, As an example of the flaky behavior of my problem, since sending my post to the group a few minutes ago, I unplugged the double connectors that go from the PX3 to the KX3 and reversed them. I then tried to turn on the PA from the KX3 menu, and nothing happened. The KXPA100 would not turn on and the menu would go back to PA off. I reversed the cables back to their regular configuration when I was having the problem, and now everything works as it should. Help! Terry ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to k9yeq at live.com From ghyoungman at gmail.com Fri Mar 16 14:37:02 2018 From: ghyoungman at gmail.com (GRANT YOUNGMAN) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2018 14:37:02 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Update- Continuing Issues with PX# in the mix with KPXA100 and KX3 In-Reply-To: <003b01d3bd52$e9d05970$bd710c50$@comcast.net> References: <003b01d3bd52$e9d05970$bd710c50$@comcast.net> Message-ID: <40B383CC-6DCE-4D67-975E-2B20DFF76A4B@gmail.com> Did you try cleaning the connectors, or put a touch of DeOxit on each one (it just takes a touch, not a dip)? Or maybe you just got the black bean and have a flakey cable. Happens ? I have problems with these types of connectors all the time. A bit of DeOxit followed by rotating the connector in the socket usually resolves it (though not always permanently). Sometimes just rotating is enough, since the wiping action (and repositioning what is essentially a point contact) can mitigate whatever might be on the surfaces causing the problem. > On Mar 16, 2018, at 2:16 PM, Terry Brown wrote: > > Hello All, > > > > As an example of the flaky behavior of my problem, since sending my post to > the group a few minutes ago, I unplugged the double connectors that go from > the PX3 to the KX3 and reversed them. I then tried to turn on the PA from > the KX3 menu, and nothing happened. The KXPA100 would not turn on and the > menu would go back to PA off. > > > > I reversed the cables back to their regular configuration when I was having > the problem, and now everything works as it should. Grant NQ5T K3 #2091, KX3 #8342 From eric.csuf at gmail.com Fri Mar 16 14:41:14 2018 From: eric.csuf at gmail.com (EricJ) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2018 11:41:14 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] 2D Fasteners In-Reply-To: <787A59038CCA4268A7023FEC33830B56@G4GNXLaptop> References: <787A59038CCA4268A7023FEC33830B56@G4GNXLaptop> Message-ID: I bet they're proprietary to Elecraft, but I don't know that for sure. Easy to make if you have a drill press, hacksaw and 4-40 drill and tap. Hard to make without. If you make them, observe and measure very carefully. The holes are not centered on the block. They're offset ~1 mm from centerline. I forget exact dimensions. Be exact. Eric KE6US On 3/16/2018 11:12 AM, G4GNX wrote: > Does anyone know where I can buy a small quantity of the 2D Fasteners that hold Elecraft cases together? These are the aluminum blocks with 2 threaded holes on one pair of sides and 1 threaded hole in the other pair of sides. > > Is there an alternative name for them? I tried Google and came up with nothing. > > 73, > > Alan. G4GNX > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to eric.csuf at gmail.com > From wes_n7ws at triconet.org Fri Mar 16 14:47:10 2018 From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes Stewart) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2018 11:47:10 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] 2D Fasteners In-Reply-To: References: <787A59038CCA4268A7023FEC33830B56@G4GNXLaptop> Message-ID: I've never understood why a three-dimensional object is called "2D". On 3/16/2018 11:41 AM, EricJ wrote: > I bet they're proprietary to Elecraft, but I don't know that for sure. Easy to > make if you have a drill press, hacksaw and 4-40 drill and tap. Hard to make > without. If you make them, observe and measure very carefully. The holes are > not centered on the block. They're offset ~1 mm from centerline. I forget > exact dimensions. Be exact. > > Eric KE6US > > > On 3/16/2018 11:12 AM, G4GNX wrote: >> Does anyone know where I can buy a small quantity of the 2D Fasteners that >> hold Elecraft cases together? These are the aluminum blocks with 2 threaded >> holes on one pair of sides and 1 threaded hole in the other pair of sides. >> >> Is there an alternative name for them? I tried Google and came up with nothing. >> >> 73, >> >> Alan. G4GNX From ar at dseven.org Fri Mar 16 15:03:45 2018 From: ar at dseven.org (iain macdonnell - N6ML) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2018 12:03:45 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] 2D Fasteners In-Reply-To: References: <787A59038CCA4268A7023FEC33830B56@G4GNXLaptop> Message-ID: On Fri, Mar 16, 2018 at 11:47 AM, Wes Stewart wrote: > I've never understood why a three-dimensional object is called "2D". Presumably because they *fasten* in two dimensions (there are no threaded holes in the ends of the blocks). 73, ~iain / N6ML > On 3/16/2018 11:41 AM, EricJ wrote: >> >> I bet they're proprietary to Elecraft, but I don't know that for sure. >> Easy to make if you have a drill press, hacksaw and 4-40 drill and tap. Hard >> to make without. If you make them, observe and measure very carefully. The >> holes are not centered on the block. They're offset ~1 mm from centerline. I >> forget exact dimensions. Be exact. >> >> Eric KE6US >> >> >> On 3/16/2018 11:12 AM, G4GNX wrote: >>> >>> Does anyone know where I can buy a small quantity of the 2D Fasteners >>> that hold Elecraft cases together? These are the aluminum blocks with 2 >>> threaded holes on one pair of sides and 1 threaded hole in the other pair of >>> sides. >>> >>> Is there an alternative name for them? I tried Google and came up with >>> nothing. >>> >>> 73, >>> >>> Alan. G4GNX > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to ar at dseven.org From nvjims at gmail.com Fri Mar 16 15:06:38 2018 From: nvjims at gmail.com (Jim Shepherd) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2018 12:06:38 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KIO3B Digital I/O assembly Message-ID: Having also hit the wrong hole while attaching cables from in front of the radio, unless you have totally messed up the contacts, they can be teased back into position with the careful use of a dental pick. BE SURE to disconnect the power cable before attempting this repair...no telling what damage could be caused by shorting a couple of the contacts together while doing this repair... YMMV. 73 Jim W6US ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Michael Blake To: Elecraft Mailing List Cc: Bcc: Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2018 16:18:41 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KIO3B Digital I/O assembly I am not sure how many of you have noticed the warnings in the K3s and P3 manual to NOT plug a USB B connector into the 8P8C modular jack lableled ?RS232/P3? on the rear of the K3s. This is a VERY important warning but only if you read it prior to inserting the USB cable (twice) into the RS232/P3 jack on the KIO3B. It was the very first plug I inserted after completing my kit while looking over the radio from the front. I did it twice because it did not seem to fit correctly:). I did not realize that I had ?squished? it for a couple of weeks as I had not tried to use the jack. Since this little bugger (KIO3B Digital I/O Assy E850646) costs $98, believe it or not, I want to repair my existing board after the replacement arrives tomorrow. If I did it once I will probably do it again. My problem is that there are dozens of similar jacks and I need to find the correct manufacturer, part number and source for this particular 8P8C circuit board mounted modular jack. I have the tools and the skills but I lack the correct part. If anyone from Elecraft could provide me with the proper replacement jack information I would be very grateful. Very 73 - Mike - K9JRI From n6kr at elecraft.com Fri Mar 16 15:11:25 2018 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2018 12:11:25 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] 2D Fasteners In-Reply-To: <787A59038CCA4268A7023FEC33830B56@G4GNXLaptop> References: <787A59038CCA4268A7023FEC33830B56@G4GNXLaptop> Message-ID: Hi Alan, We designed these specifically for our products; they are not available commercially. Please contact sales if you require a small quantity of them. 73, Wayne N6KR > On Mar 16, 2018, at 11:12 AM, G4GNX wrote: > > Does anyone know where I can buy a small quantity of the 2D Fasteners that hold Elecraft cases together? These are the aluminum blocks with 2 threaded holes on one pair of sides and 1 threaded hole in the other pair of sides. > > Is there an alternative name for them? I tried Google and came up with nothing. > > 73, > > Alan. G4GNX From donwilh at embarqmail.com Fri Mar 16 15:17:48 2018 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2018 15:17:48 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] 2D Fasteners In-Reply-To: <787A59038CCA4268A7023FEC33830B56@G4GNXLaptop> References: <787A59038CCA4268A7023FEC33830B56@G4GNXLaptop> Message-ID: Alan, That is a custom design by Elecraft, so I doubt there are alternate sources. You can order by contacting Elecaft sales (sales at elecraft.com) and ask for p/n E100078 - 2-D Fastener. 73, Don W3FPR On 3/16/2018 2:12 PM, G4GNX wrote: > Does anyone know where I can buy a small quantity of the 2D Fasteners that hold Elecraft cases together? These are the aluminum blocks with 2 threaded holes on one pair of sides and 1 threaded hole in the other pair of sides. From donwilh at embarqmail.com Fri Mar 16 15:20:08 2018 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2018 15:20:08 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Update- Continuing Issues with PX# in the mix with KPXA100 and KX3 In-Reply-To: <003b01d3bd52$e9d05970$bd710c50$@comcast.net> References: <003b01d3bd52$e9d05970$bd710c50$@comcast.net> Message-ID: <9af9052f-df9b-1da1-c627-8b010233c9e7@embarqmail.com> Terry, With symptoms and solution like that, I would guess you did not have the cable plugs full seated. 73, Don W3FPR On 3/16/2018 2:16 PM, Terry Brown wrote: I unplugged the double connectors that go from > the PX3 to the KX3 and reversed them. I then tried to turn on the PA from > the KX3 menu, and nothing happened. The KXPA100 would not turn on and the > menu would go back to PA off. > > > > I reversed the cables back to their regular configuration when I was having > the problem, and now everything works as it should. > From kevinr at coho.net Fri Mar 16 15:29:47 2018 From: kevinr at coho.net (kevinr) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2018 12:29:47 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] 2D Fasteners In-Reply-To: References: <787A59038CCA4268A7023FEC33830B56@G4GNXLaptop> Message-ID: They are only able to connect one plane to another plane.? They cannot connect three planes at one time.? Making a 2D connection is what they do. ?? Kevin.? KD5ONS On 03/16/2018 11:47 AM, Wes Stewart wrote: > I've never understood why a three-dimensional object is called "2D". > > On 3/16/2018 11:41 AM, EricJ wrote: >> I bet they're proprietary to Elecraft, but I don't know that for >> sure. Easy to make if you have a drill press, hacksaw and 4-40 drill >> and tap. Hard to make without. If you make them, observe and measure >> very carefully. The holes are not centered on the block. They're >> offset ~1 mm from centerline. I forget exact dimensions. Be exact. >> >> Eric KE6US >> >> >> On 3/16/2018 11:12 AM, G4GNX wrote: >>> Does anyone know where I can buy a small quantity of the 2D >>> Fasteners that hold Elecraft cases together? These are the aluminum >>> blocks with 2 threaded holes on one pair of sides and 1 threaded >>> hole in the other pair of sides. >>> >>> Is there an alternative name for them? I tried Google and came up >>> with nothing. >>> >>> 73, >>> >>> Alan. G4GNX > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to kevinr at coho.net > From n6kr at elecraft.com Fri Mar 16 15:36:10 2018 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2018 12:36:10 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] 2D Fasteners In-Reply-To: References: <787A59038CCA4268A7023FEC33830B56@G4GNXLaptop> Message-ID: But they *do* allow you to join two enclosure planes while also supporting a PCB or other hardware. That was the intent of the design. (I invented these in 1998 :) Wayne N6KR > On Mar 16, 2018, at 12:29 PM, kevinr wrote: > > They are only able to connect one plane to another plane. They cannot connect three planes at one time. Making a 2D connection is what they do. > > Kevin. KD5ONS > > > On 03/16/2018 11:47 AM, Wes Stewart wrote: >> I've never understood why a three-dimensional object is called "2D". >> >> On 3/16/2018 11:41 AM, EricJ wrote: >>> I bet they're proprietary to Elecraft, but I don't know that for sure. Easy to make if you have a drill press, hacksaw and 4-40 drill and tap. Hard to make without. If you make them, observe and measure very carefully. The holes are not centered on the block. They're offset ~1 mm from centerline. I forget exact dimensions. Be exact. >>> >>> Eric KE6US >>> >>> >>> On 3/16/2018 11:12 AM, G4GNX wrote: >>>> Does anyone know where I can buy a small quantity of the 2D Fasteners that hold Elecraft cases together? These are the aluminum blocks with 2 threaded holes on one pair of sides and 1 threaded hole in the other pair of sides. >>>> >>>> Is there an alternative name for them? I tried Google and came up with nothing. >>>> >>>> 73, >>>> >>>> Alan. G4GNX >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to kevinr at coho.net >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n6kr at elecraft.com From g4gnx at g4gnx.com Fri Mar 16 15:43:44 2018 From: g4gnx at g4gnx.com (G4GNX) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2018 19:43:44 -0000 Subject: [Elecraft] 2D Fasteners In-Reply-To: References: <787A59038CCA4268A7023FEC33830B56@G4GNXLaptop> Message-ID: Perhaps the incorrect wording is being assumed. 3D is 3 Dimensional to most folks. 2D in this particular case is probably better described as 2 Directional (as in fixing item 1 to item 2). 73, Alan. G4GNX -----Original Message----- From: Wayne Burdick Sent: Friday, March 16, 2018 7:36 PM To: kevinr Cc: Elecraft Reflector Subject: Re: [Elecraft] 2D Fasteners But they *do* allow you to join two enclosure planes while also supporting a PCB or other hardware. That was the intent of the design. (I invented these in 1998 :) Wayne N6KR > On Mar 16, 2018, at 12:29 PM, kevinr wrote: > > They are only able to connect one plane to another plane. They cannot > connect three planes at one time. Making a 2D connection is what they do. > > Kevin. KD5ONS From w7hsg at comcast.net Fri Mar 16 15:53:11 2018 From: w7hsg at comcast.net (Ralph S. Turk) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2018 13:53:11 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [Elecraft] News Letters Message-ID: <465490422.142231.1521229991936@connect.xfinity.com> Where does one find the News Letters? Ralph, W7HSG From g4gnx at g4gnx.com Fri Mar 16 16:07:00 2018 From: g4gnx at g4gnx.com (G4GNX) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2018 20:07:00 -0000 Subject: [Elecraft] 2D Fasteners In-Reply-To: References: <787A59038CCA4268A7023FEC33830B56@G4GNXLaptop> Message-ID: <3D6D850722F04E39A343FA63C1BE57E2@G4GNXLaptop> Thanks Don and everyone else who replied. I had not realised that they are proprietary to Elecraft. I've had one possible offer of some spare ones, but if I need more, I'll contact Elecraft Sales. 73, Alan. G4GNX -----Original Message----- From: Don Wilhelm Sent: Friday, March 16, 2018 7:17 PM To: G4GNX ; Elecraft Reflector Subject: Re: [Elecraft] 2D Fasteners Alan, That is a custom design by Elecraft, so I doubt there are alternate sources. You can order by contacting Elecaft sales (sales at elecraft.com) and ask for p/n E100078 - 2-D Fastener. 73, Don W3FPR On 3/16/2018 2:12 PM, G4GNX wrote: > Does anyone know where I can buy a small quantity of the 2D Fasteners that > hold Elecraft cases together? These are the aluminum blocks with 2 > threaded holes on one pair of sides and 1 threaded hole in the other pair > of sides. From donwilh at embarqmail.com Fri Mar 16 16:08:36 2018 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2018 16:08:36 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] News Letters In-Reply-To: <465490422.142231.1521229991936@connect.xfinity.com> References: <465490422.142231.1521229991936@connect.xfinity.com> Message-ID: <9ce17945-8b09-8352-f89f-d55e78003469@embarqmail.com> Ralph, If you are not on the customer email list, the newsletters are on the website - click on News. The latest one is not yet up on the website. 73, Don W3FPR On 3/16/2018 3:53 PM, Ralph S. Turk wrote: > Where does one find the News Letters? > From kevinr at coho.net Fri Mar 16 16:09:32 2018 From: kevinr at coho.net (kevinr) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2018 13:09:32 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] News Letters In-Reply-To: <465490422.142231.1521229991936@connect.xfinity.com> References: <465490422.142231.1521229991936@connect.xfinity.com> Message-ID: <4241aedd-2130-b464-f5a6-01abae3467c6@coho.net> I use Thunderbird as my email application.? The normal Elecraft list mail goes into its own folder while any ECN mail goes into another.? The Elecraft Newsletter wound up in my inbox instead. Look in your unfiltered email location, I think you'll find it there. ??? 73, ??????? Kevin.? KD5ONS On 03/16/2018 12:53 PM, Ralph S. Turk wrote: > Where does one find the News Letters? > > > Ralph, W7HSG > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to kevinr at coho.net > From wes_n7ws at triconet.org Fri Mar 16 16:28:26 2018 From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes Stewart) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2018 13:28:26 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] 2D Fasteners In-Reply-To: References: <787A59038CCA4268A7023FEC33830B56@G4GNXLaptop> Message-ID: Johnny come lately:? I invented them in nineteen seventy something.? And mine really are 3D :-) http://sadxa.org/n7ws/K7CVT_Amp_Input_Compartment.jpg Overall views here: http://sadxa.org/n7ws.html Wes? N7WS ex K7CVT On 3/16/2018 12:36 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > But they *do* allow you to join two enclosure planes while also supporting a PCB or other hardware. That was the intent of the design. (I invented these in 1998 :) > > Wayne > N6KR > > > From n6kr at elecraft.com Fri Mar 16 16:34:04 2018 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2018 13:34:04 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] 2D Fasteners In-Reply-To: References: <787A59038CCA4268A7023FEC33830B56@G4GNXLaptop> Message-ID: <001EDE51-4B4A-4AE7-B2E8-C158CE106303@elecraft.com> You win :) W ---- http://www.elecraft.com > On Mar 16, 2018, at 1:28 PM, Wes Stewart wrote: > > Johnny come lately: I invented them in nineteen seventy something. And mine really are 3D :-) > > http://sadxa.org/n7ws/K7CVT_Amp_Input_Compartment.jpg > > Overall views here: http://sadxa.org/n7ws.html > > Wes N7WS ex K7CVT > > >> On 3/16/2018 12:36 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: >> But they *do* allow you to join two enclosure planes while also supporting a PCB or other hardware. That was the intent of the design. (I invented these in 1998 :) >> >> Wayne >> N6KR >> >> >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n6kr at elecraft.com From gadgetlust at gmail.com Fri Mar 16 16:38:54 2018 From: gadgetlust at gmail.com (Robert Harvey) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2018 16:38:54 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Mic Bias In-Reply-To: References: <1521164018505-0.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <006e01d3bd66$cd9cde40$68d69ac0$@com> Thanks, Bill, that is exactly my situation. I am glad to hear it. 73 Harv K2PI -----Original Message----- From: Nr4c [mailto:nr4c at widomaker.com] Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2018 11:10 PM To: Bob Harvey - K2PI Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Mic Bias No Bias is independent as to front/rear connections. I use my headset w/bias (CM500) on rear and my Heil HM12 dynamic mic on from without bias in front jack. Sent from my iPhone ...nr4c. bill > On Mar 15, 2018, at 9:33 PM, Bob Harvey - K2PI wrote: > > When using a rear panel headset requiring Bias, what is the state of > Bias on the Front Panel mic connector? > > I have a PR-781 Microphone that doesn't require bias, and have it > disconnected from the front panel when using the rear bias'd mic and > the RP bias setting in the menu. Do I need to do this? > > 73 > Harv > K2PI > > > > > -- > Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > nr4c at widomaker.com From wes_n7ws at triconet.org Fri Mar 16 16:40:11 2018 From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes Stewart) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2018 13:40:11 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] 2D Fasteners In-Reply-To: <001EDE51-4B4A-4AE7-B2E8-C158CE106303@elecraft.com> References: <787A59038CCA4268A7023FEC33830B56@G4GNXLaptop> <001EDE51-4B4A-4AE7-B2E8-C158CE106303@elecraft.com> Message-ID: I'm glad you see it my way :-) BTW, a couple of our other club members projects are worth taking a look at. Also, one of our members reported at last night's meeting that he received his KPA1500 the day before but didn't have in on the air yet. Wes On 3/16/2018 1:34 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > You win :) > > W > > ---- > http://www.elecraft.com > >> On Mar 16, 2018, at 1:28 PM, Wes Stewart wrote: >> >> Johnny come lately: I invented them in nineteen seventy something. And mine really are 3D :-) >> >> http://sadxa.org/n7ws/K7CVT_Amp_Input_Compartment.jpg >> >> Overall views here: http://sadxa.org/n7ws.html >> >> Wes N7WS ex K7CVT >> From markmusick at sbcglobal.net Fri Mar 16 17:52:47 2018 From: markmusick at sbcglobal.net (Mark E. Musick) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2018 21:52:47 -0000 Subject: [Elecraft] March 2018 Newsletter In-Reply-To: References: <34272a05-abbe-9852-49d4-ae57773933d8@comcast.net> Message-ID: <000201d3bd71$1feebc90$5fcc35b0$@sbcglobal.net> The newsletter is e-mailed to me once a month. I don't know if it is on the website. It may be, but I never have to look for it there. 73, Mark, WB9CIF -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of Dave Cole (NK7Z) Sent: Friday, March 16, 2018 6:05 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] March 2018 Newsletter OK, it's not just me then... 73s and thanks, Dave NK7Z https://www.nk7z.net On 03/16/2018 10:17 AM, Bill Johnson wrote: > I don't see the newsletter on the site. Am I missing something? > > 73, > Bill > K9YEQ ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to markmusick at sbcglobal.net From k9yeq at live.com Fri Mar 16 17:54:25 2018 From: k9yeq at live.com (Bill Johnson) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2018 21:54:25 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] 2D Fasteners In-Reply-To: References: <787A59038CCA4268A7023FEC33830B56@G4GNXLaptop> Message-ID: And a great invention at that. I was amazed at how simple and yet so functional. Came with the K2! Beautiful. 72 & 73, Bill K9YEQ FT'er for K2, KX1, KX3, KXPA100, KAT500, W2, etc. -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of Wayne Burdick Sent: Friday, March 16, 2018 2:36 PM To: kevinr Cc: Elecraft Reflector Subject: Re: [Elecraft] 2D Fasteners But they *do* allow you to join two enclosure planes while also supporting a PCB or other hardware. That was the intent of the design. (I invented these in 1998 :) Wayne N6KR > On Mar 16, 2018, at 12:29 PM, kevinr wrote: > > They are only able to connect one plane to another plane. They cannot connect three planes at one time. Making a 2D connection is what they do. > > Kevin. KD5ONS > > > On 03/16/2018 11:47 AM, Wes Stewart wrote: >> I've never understood why a three-dimensional object is called "2D". >> >> On 3/16/2018 11:41 AM, EricJ wrote: >>> I bet they're proprietary to Elecraft, but I don't know that for sure. Easy to make if you have a drill press, hacksaw and 4-40 drill and tap. Hard to make without. If you make them, observe and measure very carefully. The holes are not centered on the block. They're offset ~1 mm from centerline. I forget exact dimensions. Be exact. >>> >>> Eric KE6US >>> >>> >>> On 3/16/2018 11:12 AM, G4GNX wrote: >>>> Does anyone know where I can buy a small quantity of the 2D Fasteners that hold Elecraft cases together? These are the aluminum blocks with 2 threaded holes on one pair of sides and 1 threaded hole in the other pair of sides. >>>> >>>> Is there an alternative name for them? I tried Google and came up with nothing. >>>> >>>> 73, >>>> >>>> Alan. G4GNX >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this >> email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to >> kevinr at coho.net >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > n6kr at elecraft.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to k9yeq at live.com From donwilh at embarqmail.com Fri Mar 16 18:37:47 2018 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2018 18:37:47 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] 2D Fasteners In-Reply-To: References: <787A59038CCA4268A7023FEC33830B56@G4GNXLaptop> Message-ID: <50018f7e-1e57-c9d7-0be8-258a1a676dc6@embarqmail.com> Wes, If you are referring to the aluminum angle stock, I used that back in 1960 when constructing a amplifier. I did not think I "invented" it, and at that time I did not have a drill press, just a hand drill and a tap, so the holes were not precisely spaced. It worked well, and complied with the TVI problem of that time (put everything in a shielded box). 73, Don W3FPR On 3/16/2018 4:28 PM, Wes Stewart wrote: > Johnny come lately:? I invented them in nineteen seventy something.? And > mine really are 3D :-) > > http://sadxa.org/n7ws/K7CVT_Amp_Input_Compartment.jpg > > Overall views here: http://sadxa.org/n7ws.html > > Wes? N7WS ex K7CVT > > > On 3/16/2018 12:36 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: >> But they *do* allow you to join two enclosure planes while also >> supporting a PCB or other hardware. That was the intent of the design. >> (I invented these in 1998 :) >> >> Wayne >> N6KR >> >> >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to donwilh at embarqmail.com From kevinr at coho.net Fri Mar 16 18:56:59 2018 From: kevinr at coho.net (kevinr) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2018 15:56:59 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] 2D Fasteners In-Reply-To: <50018f7e-1e57-c9d7-0be8-258a1a676dc6@embarqmail.com> References: <787A59038CCA4268A7023FEC33830B56@G4GNXLaptop> <50018f7e-1e57-c9d7-0be8-258a1a676dc6@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <8fa06b9a-846e-7be0-7a1f-fc06f6addac7@coho.net> The same principle has been used in woodworking for quite a long time.? My father learned it from his grandfather for cabinet making.? I am currently watching the British '70s television series Connections.? Re-inventing things over the centuries is quite common.? The problem which needs to be solved pushes the imagination of the builder into crafting similar answers. ?? 73, ????? Kevin.? KD5ONS On 03/16/2018 03:37 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > Wes, > > If you are referring to the aluminum angle stock, I used that back in > 1960 when constructing a amplifier.? I did not think I "invented" it, > and at that time I did not have a drill press, just a hand drill and a > tap, so the holes were not precisely spaced. It worked well, and > complied with the TVI problem of that time (put everything in a > shielded box). > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 3/16/2018 4:28 PM, Wes Stewart wrote: >> Johnny come lately:? I invented them in nineteen seventy something.? >> And mine really are 3D :-) >> >> http://sadxa.org/n7ws/K7CVT_Amp_Input_Compartment.jpg >> >> Overall views here: http://sadxa.org/n7ws.html >> >> Wes? N7WS ex K7CVT >> >> >> On 3/16/2018 12:36 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: >>> But they *do* allow you to join two enclosure planes while also >>> supporting a PCB or other hardware. That was the intent of the >>> design. (I invented these in 1998 :) >>> >>> Wayne >>> N6KR >>> >>> >>> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to donwilh at embarqmail.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to kevinr at coho.net From rick at tavan.com Fri Mar 16 21:11:33 2018 From: rick at tavan.com (Rick Tavan) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2018 18:11:33 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Remote question In-Reply-To: <20d3b4b4-9a7f-cf8f-82c2-6032ab33a889@foothill.net> References: <1dfe01d3bc7e$260f8990$722e9cb0$@gmail.com> <20d3b4b4-9a7f-cf8f-82c2-6032ab33a889@foothill.net> Message-ID: Just one addendum to Fred's good advice: You can (I do) use a dynamic IP address (i.e. not static). MicroBit (the makers of remoterig) operate a dynamic domain name server that can re-map your radio site on the Internet when its IP address changes. I don't recall the details of getting started, but once you follow the directions, you end up with an 8-character coded string that you enter into the remote rig controller (RRC) pages. From then on, the radio RRC keeps the DDNS server apprised of its current, dynamic, IP address so the control RRC will always find the radio RRC. I've also used the same facility to address other, unrelated devices at my radio site as .ddns.remoterig.com:. It's slick! 73, /Rick N6XI -- Rick Tavan Truckee, CA On Fri, Mar 16, 2018 at 11:10 AM, Fred Jensen wrote: > > The RRC will operate with a multitude of radios. It is thus somewhat > tricky to get configured. The remote radio site needs a routeable IP > address [i.e. static]. Beware when buying the RRC's ... the control and > remote ends are NOT the same, however they are both RRC-1258 MK2's. The > control end has a CW speed pot on the front, the Remote end does not. > From rmcgraw at blomand.net Fri Mar 16 22:04:22 2018 From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2018 21:04:22 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] FT-8 & KH6JF/MM Message-ID: <2ba27553-cb3a-7e45-66d6-60bbc9368dfb@blomand.net> There is currently a chance to work some really rare grids. HF Voyager is an ocean-going drone currently making its way from Hawaii to California. Its current location can be seen here. Onboard in a waterproof container is an Elecraft KX3 and a Raspberry Pi computer enabling a variety of digital modes to be used. Onboard in a waterproof container is an Elecraft KX3 and a Raspberry Pi computer enabling a variety of digital modes to be used On March 6, FT8 was enabled and the drone was in gridsquare CL51 operating with the callsign KH6JF/mm From Rusty W6OAT: "This afternoon I worked KH6JF/mm in Grid CL (we all need it).? I was already late for an appointment so I ran out the door as soon as I finished my QSO without time to call either of you on the telephone to alert you. I'm so sorry about that. But after I got back home tonight, I did some research on this station.? It turns out it is a floating, unmanned robotic station slowly making its way from Hawaii to California. I see no reason why this should not count for the Field Award, so you guys should be on the lookout for it. KH6JF is operating on FT8 on 20m. Apparently it does not call CQ (edit: evidently it does call CQ at times), but it will respond to stations who call it (that's how it worked for me anyway). So if you can operate on FT8 mode, I suggest late afternoon our time you tune to 14074 kHz and just call KH6JF/mm blind and see what happens.? The robot uploads its log to its website (see QRZ.com for that link) every five minutes when its batteries are charged enough for it to do so, so you can actually check to see if your QSO is there." Read the full story at https://ae5x.blogspot.co.uk/2018/03/hf-voyager-ocean-going-drone-with-kx3.html Map showing track of HF Voyager http://hfvportal.jrfarc.org/ 73 Bob, K4TAX From rich at wc3t.us Fri Mar 16 22:08:42 2018 From: rich at wc3t.us (rich hurd WC3T) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2018 22:08:42 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] BNC connector oddity on KX3 In-Reply-To: References: <9183D943-25A4-43CD-90E2-747BF96B6219@gmail.com> <62bf98f3-8eca-b46d-f31c-30909faaf1ef@embarqmail.com> <1520609569320-0.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: The denouement to the story: I wrote to Elecraft and purchased P/N E850552, the KX3 Antenna Connector Assembly w/LPF. It arrived today. After the cub scout meeting tonight (my son went from Webelos to the local scout pack in the crossover ceremony tonight) I spent the last 20 minutes (and two slices of pizza) putting it in and swearing at not being able to line up the pins in the ATU in the KX3 radio. After several fits and starts, I attached the BNC and tuned immediately to 1:1 on 40 and 20 meters. Best $50 or so that I ever spent. Sometimes ya just gotta go for the gusto. Now to hook everything else back up from the trip to the mountain, and get on the air again! On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 6:04 PM, rich hurd WC3T wrote: > Thanks Don; I remember that we went over this earlier in the thread. > > Highly unlikely that I had legacy stuff as I became a ham in 2015 and > acquired most of my stuff new. > > I am inclined to think that it was more possibly an out of spec 50 ohm > connector or a manufacturing defect. I've already worked on the finger > bending thing but I ageee that given my lack of success that I'd be best > served by spending the $47 and just buying a new assembly and replacing it. > > > I appreciate all the help and suggestions from all the Elecraft community. > > > On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 17:48 Don Wilhelm wrote: > >> Rich, >> >> Since you have traced the problem to the contact between the female BNC >> and the male (yes your twisting and applying pressure confirms that is >> the problem). >> >> It is entirely possible that if you had some old cables made with old 75 >> ohm BNC male connectors, that they could have enlarged the female pin >> causing it to become marginal when used with the 50 ohm male connectors. >> >> You may have success with a very slender tool to bend the 'fingers' of >> the female connector toward the center, but the best cure is to replace >> that connector. >> >> Before we get into another long discussion of 50 ohm and 75 ohm center >> pin diameters, let me say that modern BNCs use the same diameter center >> pin for both. >> That was not always true, so beware when buying older BNC jumpers at >> hamfest flea markets - the old ones could be old 75 ohm BNCs with the >> larger center pin. Those less than 10 or 15 years old are OK. >> It may also be that *some* imported BNC connectors do not have the >> proper diameter. For best results, buy only Amphenol connectors or >> other trusted brands. >> >> 73, >> Don W3FPR >> >> On 3/9/2018 11:13 AM, rich hurd WC3T wrote: >> > I've pretty much exhausted most of the permutations of my cables and >> > connectors. The only persistent behavior is that if I apply slight >> > pressure to the side of the BNC connector where it plugs into the jack >> on >> > the KX3, or sometimes if I twist it and then apply slight pressure just >> so, >> > I see a jump in the noise floor and instead of the internal ATU wearing >> > itself out and giving up with a 9:1 or 7:1 SWR, it immediately tunes to >> 1.0 >> > or 1.1. I have removed/swapped all my the antenna leads. I have four >> of >> > them, all Cables On Demand (Amphenol) manufacture. I also have a >> number of >> > BNC to banana plug jacks, and even an MFJ-1899T. If I replace the leads >> > without doing the twisting-and-slight-pressure thing, I lose the RF >> > connection; the S meter has no indications on it, and the noise floor is >> > nonexistent. >> > >> > -- > 72, > Rich Hurd / WC3T / DMR: 3142737 > PA Army MARS, Northampton County RACES, EPA-ARRL Public Information > Officer for Scouting > Latitude: 40.761621 Longitude: -75.288988 (40?45.68' N 75?17.33' W) > Grid: *FN20is* > > -- 72, Rich Hurd / WC3T / DMR: 3142737 PA Army MARS, Northampton County RACES, EPA-ARRL Public Information Officer for Scouting Latitude: 40.761621 Longitude: -75.288988 (40?45.68' N 75?17.33' W) Grid: *FN20is* From wes_n7ws at triconet.org Fri Mar 16 23:24:04 2018 From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes Stewart) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2018 20:24:04 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] FT-8 & KH6JF/MM In-Reply-To: <2ba27553-cb3a-7e45-66d6-60bbc9368dfb@blomand.net> References: <2ba27553-cb3a-7e45-66d6-60bbc9368dfb@blomand.net> Message-ID: <2072dbe2-dc4d-06d8-f254-adcfbb76cc36@triconet.org> Just for the heck of it, I worked it twice.? The first time I did not hear (see) it transmitting and called blind.? It responded on the next sequence.? The second "contact" between our two computers was when I answered its CQ. On 3/16/2018 7:04 PM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote: > There is currently a chance to work some really rare grids. HF Voyager is an > ocean-going drone currently making its way from Hawaii to California. Its > current location can be seen here. Onboard in a waterproof container is an > Elecraft KX3 and a Raspberry Pi computer enabling a variety of digital modes > to be used. > > Onboard in a waterproof container is an Elecraft KX3 and a Raspberry Pi > computer enabling a variety of digital modes to be used > > On March 6, FT8 was enabled and the drone was in gridsquare CL51 operating > with the callsign KH6JF/mm From hs0zed at gmail.com Fri Mar 16 23:52:08 2018 From: hs0zed at gmail.com (Martin Sole) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2018 10:52:08 +0700 Subject: [Elecraft] RTTY issue (OT?) Message-ID: <3181ba58-60fc-8cd7-22a6-18e2e2087b5f@gmail.com> Not sure where to go with this but hope someone here can advise. MMTTY is working fine in DATA A (AFSK) receive is no problem and transmit too provided I use 2125Hz. I would prefer to use 1275Hz but when switching to transmit MMTTY keeps jumping to 2125Hz. How to stop that? Thanks Martin, HS0ZED From wes_n7ws at triconet.org Fri Mar 16 23:54:11 2018 From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes Stewart) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2018 20:54:11 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] 2D Fasteners In-Reply-To: <50018f7e-1e57-c9d7-0be8-258a1a676dc6@embarqmail.com> References: <787A59038CCA4268A7023FEC33830B56@G4GNXLaptop> <50018f7e-1e57-c9d7-0be8-258a1a676dc6@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <10c9be41-06a1-3a14-b281-c1a11a542087@triconet.org> Don, I've used angle stock on more primitive projects but if you look at the picture(s) you can see that the flat plates are joined with 3/8" square aluminum bar stock.? I used T6 material for its clean drilling and threading properties.? The flat plates are all 6061-T6 material as well.? Everything was laid out on a granite surface plate with the work held vertically and layout lines scribed with a vernier height gauge.? The holes were matched drilled in the plates and bar stock.? The bar stock was threaded (8-32) and the plates drilled for screw clearance .? But because of the precise layout the parts were still interchangeable. Everything was power sanded, dipped in a caustic batch to slightly etch the surface, water rinsed, dipped in an acid bath to remove the smut, rinsed again and then given a conversion treatment (Alodine).? All of the lettering was engraved and filled with India ink and a drafting pen.? All of this was SOP on the specialized test equipment we built at Hughes back in the day. The only pieces in these two amplifiers that I didn't fab myself were the two clamps for the cold ends of the plate lines on the 8877 amp.? I did do all of the silver plating as well. Wes ?On 3/16/2018 3:37 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > Wes, > > If you are referring to the aluminum angle stock, I used that back in 1960 > when constructing a amplifier.? I did not think I "invented" it, and at that > time I did not have a drill press, just a hand drill and a tap, so the holes > were not precisely spaced. It worked well, and complied with the TVI problem > of that time (put everything in a shielded box). > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 3/16/2018 4:28 PM, Wes Stewart wrote: >> Johnny come lately:? I invented them in nineteen seventy something.? And mine >> really are 3D :-) >> >> http://sadxa.org/n7ws/K7CVT_Amp_Input_Compartment.jpg >> >> Overall views here: http://sadxa.org/n7ws.html >> >> Wes? N7WS ex K7CVT >> >> >> On 3/16/2018 12:36 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: >>> But they *do* allow you to join two enclosure planes while also supporting a >>> PCB or other hardware. That was the intent of the design. (I invented these >>> in 1998 :) >>> >>> Wayne >>> N6KR >>> >>> >>> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to donwilh at embarqmail.com > From dm4im at t-online.de Sat Mar 17 07:08:26 2018 From: dm4im at t-online.de (Martin) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2018 12:08:26 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] 2D Fasteners Message-ID: <6649de00-ecd1-88df-0f92-83c4464e5442@t-online.de> Hi. For the european guys: Try http://www.box73.de/index.php?cPath=241_245 The dimensions are metric, so are the threads. I wouldn't combine those with elecraft products , but if i were to make my own enclosures etc. i'd take these. Hassle-free for the metric native. -- Ohne CW ist es nur CB.. 73, Martin DM4iM From ww3s at zoominternet.net Sat Mar 17 07:27:59 2018 From: ww3s at zoominternet.net (Jamie WW3S) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2018 07:27:59 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] RTTY issue (OT?) In-Reply-To: <3181ba58-60fc-8cd7-22a6-18e2e2087b5f@gmail.com> References: <3181ba58-60fc-8cd7-22a6-18e2e2087b5f@gmail.com> Message-ID: <9b8fe8fd-1443-4921-9627-3e774a395bd6@zoominternet.net> It will transmit on high tones, 2125....low tones, 1275 is for receive...no matter what receive tones are set, will always transmit on 2125, works fine..... ?Sent from BlueMail ? On Mar 16, 2018, 11:53 PM, at 11:53 PM, Martin Sole wrote: >Not sure where to go with this but hope someone here can advise. > >MMTTY is working fine in DATA A (AFSK) receive is no problem and >transmit too provided I use 2125Hz. > >I would prefer to use 1275Hz but when switching to transmit MMTTY keeps > >jumping to 2125Hz. How to stop that? > >Thanks >Martin, HS0ZED > >______________________________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >Message delivered to ww3s at zoominternet.net From ve3iay at gmail.com Sat Mar 17 08:20:52 2018 From: ve3iay at gmail.com (Richard Ferch) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2018 08:20:52 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] RTTY issue (OT?) Message-ID: I'm not sure why you are using DATA A instead of AFSK A, but ... If you don't want MMTTY to transmit on a different frequency from your receive frequency, turn NET on - in AFSK, that will force the TX to follow the RX. Also, you should tell MMTTY that your preferred frequency is 1275 Hz. To do this, set your HAM default to 1275. A general rule for AFSK is: while S&P, turn NET on and AFC off; while CQing, turn NET off and either turn AFC on or leave AFC off and use RIT instead for off-frequency callers. Some software will switch the NET and AfC settings for you automatically between run and S&P modes. If you do use AFSK A instead of DATA A, you will have to change the K3's PITCH setting to 1275-170 from the default 2125-170. 73, Rich VE3KI HS0ZED wrote: > MMTTY is working fine in DATA A (AFSK) receive is no problem and > transmit too provided I use 2125Hz. > > I would prefer to use 1275Hz but when switching to transmit MMTTY keeps > jumping to 2125Hz. How to stop that? From c-hawley at illinois.edu Sat Mar 17 08:35:06 2018 From: c-hawley at illinois.edu (hawley, charles j jr) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2018 12:35:06 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] 2D Fasteners In-Reply-To: <10c9be41-06a1-3a14-b281-c1a11a542087@triconet.org> References: <787A59038CCA4268A7023FEC33830B56@G4GNXLaptop> <50018f7e-1e57-c9d7-0be8-258a1a676dc6@embarqmail.com>, <10c9be41-06a1-3a14-b281-c1a11a542087@triconet.org> Message-ID: <54989953-1A27-4309-8819-0CD24EF5F06A@illinois.edu> I think Wayne?s short 2D fasteners are kind of special. Being just long enough for the joint, they allow an adjustment that I?ve used so many times constructing the K transceivers, etc. to fit the panels and boards just so. Also light weight. Chuck KE9UW Urbana, IL Sent from my iPhone, cjack > On Mar 16, 2018, at 10:54 PM, Wes Stewart wrote: > > Don, > > I've used angle stock on more primitive projects but if you look at the picture(s) you can see that the flat plates are joined with 3/8" square aluminum bar stock. I used T6 material for its clean drilling and threading properties. The flat plates are all 6061-T6 material as well. Everything was laid out on a granite surface plate with the work held vertically and layout lines scribed with a vernier height gauge. The holes were matched drilled in the plates and bar stock. The bar stock was threaded (8-32) and the plates drilled for screw clearance . But because of the precise layout the parts were still interchangeable. > > Everything was power sanded, dipped in a caustic batch to slightly etch the surface, water rinsed, dipped in an acid bath to remove the smut, rinsed again and then given a conversion treatment (Alodine). All of the lettering was engraved and filled with India ink and a drafting pen. All of this was SOP on the specialized test equipment we built at Hughes back in the day. > > The only pieces in these two amplifiers that I didn't fab myself were the two clamps for the cold ends of the plate lines on the 8877 amp. I did do all of the silver plating as well. > > Wes > > >> On 3/16/2018 3:37 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: >> Wes, >> >> If you are referring to the aluminum angle stock, I used that back in 1960 when constructing a amplifier. I did not think I "invented" it, and at that time I did not have a drill press, just a hand drill and a tap, so the holes were not precisely spaced. It worked well, and complied with the TVI problem of that time (put everything in a shielded box). >> >> 73, >> Don W3FPR >> >>> On 3/16/2018 4:28 PM, Wes Stewart wrote: >>> Johnny come lately: I invented them in nineteen seventy something. And mine really are 3D :-) >>> >>> http://sadxa.org/n7ws/K7CVT_Amp_Input_Compartment.jpg >>> >>> Overall views here: http://sadxa.org/n7ws.html >>> >>> Wes N7WS ex K7CVT >>> >>> >>>> On 3/16/2018 12:36 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: >>>> But they *do* allow you to join two enclosure planes while also supporting a PCB or other hardware. That was the intent of the design. (I invented these in 1998 :) >>>> >>>> Wayne >>>> N6KR >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to donwilh at embarqmail.com >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to c-hawley at illinois.edu From hs0zed at gmail.com Sat Mar 17 12:10:47 2018 From: hs0zed at gmail.com (Martin Sole) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2018 23:10:47 +0700 Subject: [Elecraft] RTTY issue (OT?) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Rich, Jamie, Many thanks, all good now. It was AFSK A, just got confused as after exiting the menu it says DATA on the screen. Of course it was (insert favourite name of some obscure person from history) law that I found out about NET shortly after posting. I guess I never needed that in the past as I had always used FSK. Will look into doing that with the K3 in future I think. I now have it set at 915Hz as that sounds even better when trying to tune by ear. I'm not sure if there are any downsides to using lower tones but it does seem easier on the ears and to tune by. Is there a way to set it to default to that? Honestly I've never dug that far into MMTTY. I'd like to set that up as part of my profile if it can be made to work that way. Thanks Martin, HS0ZED On 17/03/2018 19:20, Richard Ferch wrote: > I'm not sure why you are using DATA A instead of AFSK A, but ... > > If you don't want MMTTY to transmit on a different frequency from your > receive frequency, turn NET on - in AFSK, that will force the TX to follow > the RX. Also, you should tell MMTTY that your preferred frequency is 1275 > Hz. To do this, set your HAM default to 1275. > > A general rule for AFSK is: while S&P, turn NET on and AFC off; while > CQing, turn NET off and either turn AFC on or leave AFC off and use RIT > instead for off-frequency callers. Some software will switch the NET and > AfC settings for you automatically between run and S&P modes. > > If you do use AFSK A instead of DATA A, you will have to change the K3's > PITCH setting to 1275-170 from the default 2125-170. > > 73, > Rich VE3KI > > > HS0ZED wrote: > >> MMTTY is working fine in DATA A (AFSK) receive is no problem and >> transmit too provided I use 2125Hz. >> >> I would prefer to use 1275Hz but when switching to transmit MMTTY keeps >> jumping to 2125Hz. How to stop that? > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to hs0zed at gmail.com From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Sat Mar 17 13:46:32 2018 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2018 10:46:32 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] RTTY issue (OT?) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8c27bbac-07f3-80ee-e65c-3d2bb30575ad@audiosystemsgroup.com> I prefer 915 Hz tones, and I ran into the same problem. I learned that there are several things I needed to change. First is to change the HAM default. This will work fine, UNTIL you choose another decoding algorithm, like Flutter, and MMTTY will switch back to 2125 Hz. To really solve this, you need to edit the USERPARA.INI file. With MMTTY NOT running, open file with Notepad, Search and Replace DefMarkFreq=2.125000e+03? with DefMarkFreq=1.275000e+03, and save the file. When you restart MMTTY, make sure that 1275 Hz is set, and also that the HAM Default is is 1275 Hz. 73, Jim K9YC > I would prefer to use 1275Hz but when switching to transmit MMTTY keeps > jumping to 2125Hz. How to stop that? From alan.n5na at gmail.com Sat Mar 17 13:50:03 2018 From: alan.n5na at gmail.com (Alan Sewell) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2018 12:50:03 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft K3S Raffle Winner! Message-ID: <16235152cf8.27fb.19c4f0ff4bcac47a24392916d802f2ee@gmail.com> Feels like Ground Hog Day... The winner of the Elecraft K3S is Lonnie Yee, KE5MLP, from Midland, TX. Some may remember, Lonnie won last year as well. In Lonnie's defense he purchased 15 tickets. Last year he purchased a similar number. Congratulations to the lucky winner! I plan to post a video of the drawing later today at http://k3sraffle.w5qgg.org. 73, Alan N5NA From k2asp at kanafi.org Sat Mar 17 14:09:36 2018 From: k2asp at kanafi.org (Phil Kane) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2018 11:09:36 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] 2D Fasteners In-Reply-To: <8fa06b9a-846e-7be0-7a1f-fc06f6addac7@coho.net> References: <787A59038CCA4268A7023FEC33830B56@G4GNXLaptop> <50018f7e-1e57-c9d7-0be8-258a1a676dc6@embarqmail.com> <8fa06b9a-846e-7be0-7a1f-fc06f6addac7@coho.net> Message-ID: <253c4df2-ccf8-d598-7473-e0a702f039ce@kanafi.org> On 3/16/2018 3:56 PM, kevinr wrote: > Re-inventing things over the centuries is quite common.? The problem > which needs to be solved pushes the imagination of the builder into > crafting similar answers. Inventing something is a no-brainer. Getting patent protection for it is something else! My wife's grandfather had several hundred patents in the paper-handling industry. At least one was violated by Eastman Kodak with no viable recourse.!! Back to radio...... 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane Elecraft K2/100 s/n 5402 >From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon From kengkopp at gmail.com Sat Mar 17 14:21:53 2018 From: kengkopp at gmail.com (Ken G Kopp) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2018 18:21:53 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Kodak Message-ID: Another example of "Big business has no morality". (;-( 73! K0PP On Mar 17, 2018 12:10, "Phil Kane" wrote: On 3/16/2018 3:56 PM, kevinr wrote: > Re-inventing things over the centuries is quite common. The problem > which needs to be solved pushes the imagination of the builder into > crafting similar answers. Inventing something is a no-brainer. Getting patent protection for it is something else! My wife's grandfather had several hundred patents in the paper-handling industry. At least one was violated by Eastman Kodak with no viable recourse.!! Back to radio...... 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane Elecraft K2/100 s/n 5402 >From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to kengkopp at gmail.com From w4rks73 at gmail.com Sat Mar 17 14:31:05 2018 From: w4rks73 at gmail.com (James Wilson) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2018 13:31:05 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] 2D Fasteners Message-ID: Wayne and others The 2D fasteners - invented, patented or not - they make for some beautiful cabinets. They are both stylish and a delight to use. More good from Elecraft Jim - W4RKS From c-hawley at illinois.edu Sat Mar 17 14:51:46 2018 From: c-hawley at illinois.edu (hawley, charles j jr) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2018 18:51:46 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] 2D Fasteners In-Reply-To: <253c4df2-ccf8-d598-7473-e0a702f039ce@kanafi.org> References: <787A59038CCA4268A7023FEC33830B56@G4GNXLaptop> <50018f7e-1e57-c9d7-0be8-258a1a676dc6@embarqmail.com> <8fa06b9a-846e-7be0-7a1f-fc06f6addac7@coho.net>, <253c4df2-ccf8-d598-7473-e0a702f039ce@kanafi.org> Message-ID: <7778A375-1DA0-4822-BF81-63EAAEE413CE@illinois.edu> Someone told me the patent office issues patents now with little vetting and lets the courts figure it out. Chuck Jack Sent from my iPhone, cjack > On Mar 17, 2018, at 1:10 PM, Phil Kane wrote: > >> On 3/16/2018 3:56 PM, kevinr wrote: >> >> Re-inventing things over the centuries is quite common. The problem >> which needs to be solved pushes the imagination of the builder into >> crafting similar answers. > > Inventing something is a no-brainer. Getting patent protection for it > is something else! > My wife's grandfather had several hundred patents in the paper-handling > industry. At least one was violated by Eastman Kodak with no viable > recourse.!! > > Back to radio...... > > 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane > Elecraft K2/100 s/n 5402 > > From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest > Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to c-hawley at illinois.edu From lists at subich.com Sat Mar 17 14:58:17 2018 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2018 14:58:17 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] RTTY issue (OT?) In-Reply-To: <8c27bbac-07f3-80ee-e65c-3d2bb30575ad@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <8c27bbac-07f3-80ee-e65c-3d2bb30575ad@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: Actually you need to edit *BOTH* MMTTY.ini and USERPARA.ini. Replace DefMarkFreq in *BOTH* files with your chosen MARK (also "PITCH" in the K3 for AFSK_A and FSK_D). There will be one instance of DefMarkFreq in MMTTY.ini and one instance in each [Define ] section (typically 10 sections - Define0 - Define7 plus Define1025 and Define1026) in USERPARA.ini. Note: some logging applications support 16 user configurations instead of MMTTY's default of 8 - in those cases USERPARA.ini can have up to 18 Define sections! 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 3/17/2018 1:46 PM, Jim Brown wrote: > I prefer 915 Hz tones, and I ran into the same problem. I learned that > there are several things I needed to change. First is to change the HAM > default. This will work fine, UNTIL you choose another decoding > algorithm, like Flutter, and MMTTY will switch back to 2125 Hz. > > To really solve this, you need to edit the USERPARA.INI file. With MMTTY > NOT running, open file with Notepad, Search and Replace > DefMarkFreq=2.125000e+03? with DefMarkFreq=1.275000e+03, and save the file. > > When you restart MMTTY, make sure that 1275 Hz is set, and also that the > HAM Default is is 1275 Hz. > > 73, Jim K9YC > >> I would prefer to use 1275Hz but when switching to transmit MMTTY keeps >> jumping to 2125Hz. How to stop that? > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to lists at subich.com From kengkopp at gmail.com Sat Mar 17 15:00:39 2018 From: kengkopp at gmail.com (Ken G Kopp) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2018 19:00:39 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Big Business Message-ID: Wayne and Eric have too much already-demonstrated "class" to even remotely to fit into the "big business" category I referred to earlier. 73! K0PP From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Sat Mar 17 15:10:07 2018 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2018 12:10:07 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] RTTY issue (OT?) In-Reply-To: References: <8c27bbac-07f3-80ee-e65c-3d2bb30575ad@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <847a205b-914d-537b-2a57-4b92b02f2ad4@audiosystemsgroup.com> On 3/17/2018 11:58 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: > Actually you need to edit *BOTH* MMTTY.ini and USERPARA.ini. I ran into this as well, but it's my understanding the MMTTY.ini is saved each time the program is quit, and saves current settings. So if you have 1275 set, it should be saved. Am I mistaken? 73, Jim K9YC From k2asp at kanafi.org Sat Mar 17 15:15:49 2018 From: k2asp at kanafi.org (Phil Kane) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2018 12:15:49 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] 2D Fasteners In-Reply-To: <7778A375-1DA0-4822-BF81-63EAAEE413CE@illinois.edu> References: <787A59038CCA4268A7023FEC33830B56@G4GNXLaptop> <50018f7e-1e57-c9d7-0be8-258a1a676dc6@embarqmail.com> <8fa06b9a-846e-7be0-7a1f-fc06f6addac7@coho.net> <253c4df2-ccf8-d598-7473-e0a702f039ce@kanafi.org> <7778A375-1DA0-4822-BF81-63EAAEE413CE@illinois.edu> Message-ID: <9ce9b250-16ee-0041-4498-cb3514557f70@kanafi.org> On 3/17/2018 11:51 AM, hawley, charles j jr wrote: > Someone told me the patent office issues patents now with little vetting and lets the courts figure it out. To add to the chaos, disputes of infringement and the legitimacy of a patent are in the Federal arena while the amount of damages, if any, are decided by the state courts. Not being a patent attorney myself (my field is regulatory compliance) I have no first-hand experience with the USPTO, but abdication of statutory responsibility seems to be this generation's hallmark of Federal enforcement (including at my former Federal employer). 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane Elecraft K2/100 s/n 5402 >From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon From kevin at ve3syb.ca Sat Mar 17 15:18:14 2018 From: kevin at ve3syb.ca (Kevin Cozens) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2018 15:18:14 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] 2D Fasteners In-Reply-To: <7778A375-1DA0-4822-BF81-63EAAEE413CE@illinois.edu> References: <787A59038CCA4268A7023FEC33830B56@G4GNXLaptop> <50018f7e-1e57-c9d7-0be8-258a1a676dc6@embarqmail.com> <8fa06b9a-846e-7be0-7a1f-fc06f6addac7@coho.net> <253c4df2-ccf8-d598-7473-e0a702f039ce@kanafi.org> <7778A375-1DA0-4822-BF81-63EAAEE413CE@illinois.edu> Message-ID: <7363dd59-b005-9429-874a-f7c5c6870ccd@ve3syb.ca> On 2018-03-17 02:51 PM, hawley, charles j jr wrote: > Someone told me the patent office issues patents now with little vetting and lets the courts figure it out. That would explain a lot if true. -- Cheers! Kevin. http://www.ve3syb.ca/ | "Nerds make the shiny things that https://www.patreon.html/KevinCozens | distract the mouth-breathers, and | that's why we're powerful" Owner of Elecraft K2 #2172 | #include | --Chris Hardwick From wa4aip at gmail.com Sat Mar 17 15:33:35 2018 From: wa4aip at gmail.com (John Altman) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2018 14:33:35 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] P3-F. Panadapter for sale Message-ID: <5C28E9CF-0DA9-47EC-931E-06A618E5BBB3@gmail.com> FOR SALE P3-F Panadapter $650.00 SHIPPED ... (New price $779.95 + shipping) This is my second unit - now surplus to my needs. Will ship with spiral bound manual and connecting cables ? IF Cable ? E980170 Power Cable ? E850427 P3 to RJ45 Connector on K3S - Y Cable - Model E980296 Sold as is, no returns, due to scammers and parts swappers. Pay with PayPal + fees, bank check, or postal money order. Questions - please contact me direct at WA4AIP at arrl.net. Thanks, John WA4AIP ARRL Charter Life Member C.C.A. Member Sent from my iPad PRO From wa6nhc at gmail.com Sat Mar 17 15:53:15 2018 From: wa6nhc at gmail.com (Rick WA6NHC) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2018 12:53:15 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] RTTY issue (OT?) In-Reply-To: <847a205b-914d-537b-2a57-4b92b02f2ad4@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <8c27bbac-07f3-80ee-e65c-3d2bb30575ad@audiosystemsgroup.com> <847a205b-914d-537b-2a57-4b92b02f2ad4@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <5904197f-968f-5072-70af-62c05aac4af4@gmail.com> It may depend on where the file is stored.? If under \programs(X86) that folder needs 'special' permission for software to write that the writers must include.? When that happens, it's best to install that type of program under \MMTTY which does not have the limitations for writing. Score this as another wonderful MS 'feature'. Rick nhc On 3/17/2018 12:10 PM, Jim Brown wrote: > On 3/17/2018 11:58 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: >> Actually you need to edit *BOTH* MMTTY.ini and USERPARA.ini. > > I ran into this as well, but it's my understanding the MMTTY.ini is > saved each time the program is quit, and saves current settings. So if > you have 1275 set, it should be saved. Am I mistaken? > > 73, Jim K9YC From tomb18 at videotron.ca Sat Mar 17 17:48:40 2018 From: tomb18 at videotron.ca (tomb18) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2018 17:48:40 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] RTTY issue (OT?) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <11138174937c680252fda5882bd4378d@smtp.videotron.ca> HiScore this as another wonderful MS 'feature'.Yes it is. Permissions are made to prevent unknowedgable users and programmers from writing to areas which are under control of the operating system...?The error lies with the MTTY developers. It should be in app data, My documents or a folder that MTTY uses or creates. Not in program files.?73 Tom?va2fsq.com? Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. -------- Original message --------From: Rick WA6NHC Date: 2018-03-17 3:53 PM (GMT-05:00) To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] RTTY issue (OT?) It may depend on where the file is stored.? If under \programs(X86) that folder needs 'special' permission for software to write that the writers must include.? When that happens, it's best to install that type of program under \MMTTY which does not have the limitations for writing. Score this as another wonderful MS 'feature'. Rick nhc On 3/17/2018 12:10 PM, Jim Brown wrote: > On 3/17/2018 11:58 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: >> Actually you need to edit *BOTH* MMTTY.ini and USERPARA.ini. > > I ran into this as well, but it's my understanding the MMTTY.ini is > saved each time the program is quit, and saves current settings. So if > you have 1275 set, it should be saved. Am I mistaken? > > 73, Jim K9YC ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to tomb18 at videotron.ca From cowchip at ca.rr.com Sat Mar 17 19:19:55 2018 From: cowchip at ca.rr.com (Don Minkoff) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2018 16:19:55 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Need suggestion for line out issue Message-ID: I am having? a new issue with my K3 on line out.? I always had the right channel/ sub receiver audio out of my line out jack.? Fixed level set at 10.? I no longer have any audio out from the sub receiver from my line out jack unless I press 1 to have phones out.? This works but it is no longer fixed audio.? This did verify my cable and sound card.? I use this for RTTY when operating split.? Any ideas that I have not tried yet? -- Don Minkoff NK6A From nr4c at widomaker.com Sat Mar 17 19:39:56 2018 From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2018 19:39:56 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Need suggestion for line out issue In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Latest firmware? Check release notes. I think there has been changes in this in recent releases. Sent from my iPhone ...nr4c. bill > On Mar 17, 2018, at 7:19 PM, Don Minkoff wrote: > > I am having a new issue with my K3 on line out. I always had the right channel/ sub receiver audio out of my line out jack. Fixed level set at 10. I no longer have any audio out from the sub receiver from my line out jack unless I press 1 to have phones out. This works but it is no longer fixed audio. This did verify my cable and sound card. I use this for RTTY when operating split. Any ideas that I have not tried yet? > > -- > Don Minkoff > NK6A > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to nr4c at widomaker.com From donwilh at embarqmail.com Sat Mar 17 20:02:01 2018 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2018 20:02:01 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Need suggestion for line out issue In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000881e4-9fc8-232a-3304-4f9088abca24@embarqmail.com> Don, Check the Firmware Release Notes for FW 5.51 and FW 5.58. The Line Out was changed to include TX Monitor Out. You should consider the Firmware Release Notes as updates to your manual. 73, Don W3FPR On 3/17/2018 7:19 PM, Don Minkoff wrote: > I am having? a new issue with my K3 on line out.? I always had the right > channel/ sub receiver audio out of my line out jack.? Fixed level set at > 10.? I no longer have any audio out from the sub receiver from my line > out jack unless I press 1 to have phones out.? This works but it is no > longer fixed audio.? This did verify my cable and sound card.? I use > this for RTTY when operating split.? Any ideas that I have not tried yet? > From kc2vic at gmail.com Sat Mar 17 20:13:51 2018 From: kc2vic at gmail.com (Robert Felmey) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2018 20:13:51 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500: Does SN 12XX require LPF T/R Switch Rework Rev.E modification? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I'm looking to purchase a used KAT500 serial number 12XX and I read online a few places about needing to upgrade the LPF board if Rev. D or earlier... Is this correct and necessary? Has anyone done this or had it done at Elecraft? How expensive is it? Is it know what serial number u it's have the older board? LPF T/R Switch Rework Rev.E modification, Elecraft parts kit: E850607 Thanks, Rob KC2VIC From FlatHat at comcast.net Sat Mar 17 20:54:18 2018 From: FlatHat at comcast.net (Richard) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2018 20:54:18 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S TX Noise Gate Message-ID: When I listen to myself in the monitor while setting Tx EQ and compression, I hear the fans in the background, so I thought I?d try the Transmit Noise Gate. I was a recording engineer, so I know what a gate is and what it should sound like. When I follow the manual instructions on how to access it through CONFIG TX GATE, how to tap 1 to turn it on and off, and how to use VFO A to adjust it, nothing happens. Zero. There is absolutely no gate action, no change in the sound as I run the adjustment from one end to the other. What might I be doing wrong? Richard - W4KBX From kc2vic at gmail.com Sat Mar 17 21:40:32 2018 From: kc2vic at gmail.com (Robert Felmey) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2018 21:40:32 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500: Does SN 12XX require LPF T/R Switch Rework Rev.E modification? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1521337232.10817.8.camel@gmail.com> I'm looking to purchase a used KAT500 serial number 12XX and I read online in a few places about needing to upgrade the LPF board if Rev. D or earlier is installed... Is this correct and necessary? Has anyone done this or had it done by Elecraft? How expensive is it? Is it know what KAT500 serial numbers have the older board? LPF T/R Switch Rework Rev.E modification, Elecraft parts kit: E850607 Thanks, Rob KC2VIC -- Robert Felmey PGP: B9EC 85C3 CE68 2759 ECD1 FE37 3670 561C C398 E91A From kevinr at coho.net Sat Mar 17 23:10:23 2018 From: kevinr at coho.net (kevinr) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2018 20:10:23 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Announcement Message-ID: <4d80f838-366a-edd8-7ae7-8a003360fa3d@coho.net> Good Evening, ?? After the first loggers had cleared a path through the northern Coast Range they left open areas between the climax cedar and hemlock forests. Homesteaders filled these areas spending years clearing out the stumps and snags. Once a field was cleared they plowed it and tried growing crops. They raised dairy cattle and a few sheep. Grass hay was cut for fodder and fruit trees planted around the perimeter. Almost all of these homesteads are now gone, buried by the second and third growth of trees. Each year another one is knocked down by the logging companies to prevent liability claims. Where there used to be small communities of settlers there are now only stories. ?? The village of Bacona, only two miles from me, now consists of one house with a few outbuildings. The only evidence of the homes which once stood in my area are the daffodils blooming in seemingly random locations. The crop which thrives in these conditions is trees just like it was when we arrived. However, Douglas Fir has replaced the climax forest species with a faster growing, succession tree. ? Propagation has been enhanced by a new supply of ions.? The solar wind has kicked up this week with lots of aurora around the world.? I'm too far from the magnetic north pole to see any but the most intense. When I lived in Wisconsin they were much more common.? There have been a few clear nights recently but only a little star gazing. Please join us tomorrow on: 14050 kHz at 2200z Sunday (3 PM PDT Sunday) ? 7045 kHz at 0000z Monday (5 PM PDT Sunday) 73, Kevin. KD5ONS _ From glcazzola at alice.it Sun Mar 18 08:23:21 2018 From: glcazzola at alice.it (IK4EWX) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2018 05:23:21 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] k3S usb software silenced sidetone and no rf out Message-ID: <1521375801209-0.post@n2.nabble.com> After installing N1MM contest program, before I used only my TR4W software, trying to transmit CW from N1MM or TR4W simply commutate RX-TX (qsk or vox) on the K3S but it doesnt put rf power out nor give the sidetone - that before I used from the rig, driven via the usb cable. Rf power is normally out and sidetone also is ok only when keying the K3S with my paddle or keys. I think that N1MM has changed something on the USB/com3 of the PC or on the rig config (but this seem normal, I even recharged the firmware this morning). What do you thing about this problem? Anybody can help me? Many thanks, 73, Ian IK4EWX -- Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ From glcazzola at alice.it Sun Mar 18 09:14:27 2018 From: glcazzola at alice.it (IK4EWX) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2018 06:14:27 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] k3S usb software silenced sidetone and no rf out In-Reply-To: <1521375801209-0.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1521375801209-0.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1521378867999-0.post@n2.nabble.com> I have found that setting the config parameter PTT-KEY at OFF-RTS, the K3S keyed by TR4W software returned to transmit with rf ouput and with sidetone. I make the mistake of not taking note of the previous value, but setting OFF-RTS seem to have solved. Can it be that N1MM+ software changed this parameter in the K3S config? -- Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ From k9yeq at live.com Sun Mar 18 10:53:48 2018 From: k9yeq at live.com (Bill Johnson) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2018 14:53:48 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S TX Noise Gate In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I have used the noise gate as well with success. I do sense a little clipping when my background noise, furnace and dehumidier fans running on high. Do you have the equalizer set higher levels or lower on the upper audio range? 73, Bill K9YEQ -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of Richard Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2018 7:54 PM To: Elecraft Reflector Subject: [Elecraft] K3S TX Noise Gate When I listen to myself in the monitor while setting Tx EQ and compression, I hear the fans in the background, so I thought I?d try the Transmit Noise Gate. I was a recording engineer, so I know what a gate is and what it should sound like. When I follow the manual instructions on how to access it through CONFIG TX GATE, how to tap 1 to turn it on and off, and how to use VFO A to adjust it, nothing happens. Zero. There is absolutely no gate action, no change in the sound as I run the adjustment from one end to the other. What might I be doing wrong? Richard - W4KBX ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to k9yeq at live.com From kc2vic at gmail.com Sun Mar 18 11:07:33 2018 From: kc2vic at gmail.com (Robert Felmey) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2018 11:07:33 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500: Does SN 12XX require LPF T/R Switch Rework Rev.E modification? In-Reply-To: <1521337232.10817.8.camel@gmail.com> References: <1521337232.10817.8.camel@gmail.com> Message-ID: Disregard. When I searched Google about the KAT500 this mod showed up, however it in fact applies to the KPA500. (Thanks Ken!) Rob On Mar 17, 2018 9:40 PM, "Robert Felmey" wrote: > I'm looking to purchase a used KAT500 serial number 12XX and I read online > in a few places about needing to upgrade the LPF board if Rev. D or earlier > is installed... Is this correct and necessary? Has anyone done this or had > it done by Elecraft? How expensive is it? Is it know what KAT500 serial > numbers have the older board? > > LPF T/R Switch Rework Rev.E modification, > Elecraft parts kit: E850607 > > Thanks, > > Rob > KC2VIC > > > > -- > > Robert Felmey > PGP: B9EC 85C3 CE68 2759 ECD1 FE37 3670 561C C398 E91A > From lists at subich.com Sun Mar 18 11:21:39 2018 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2018 11:21:39 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] k3S usb software silenced sidetone and no rf out In-Reply-To: <1521378867999-0.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1521375801209-0.post@n2.nabble.com> <1521378867999-0.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: > Can it be that N1MM+ software changed this parameter in the K3S > config? It is not likely that N1MM+ changed a configuration value in the K3S (I can not find any command that will allow a logging program to set that configuration). Note: the normal configuration for CW and PTT when using the RS-232 *or* USB virtual port with most software is PTT on RTS and CW on DTR. For the K3/K3S that is CONFIG:PTT-KEY = rtS-dtR 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 3/18/2018 9:14 AM, IK4EWX wrote: > I have found that setting the config parameter PTT-KEY at OFF-RTS, the K3S > keyed by TR4W software returned to transmit with rf ouput and with sidetone. > I make the mistake of not taking note of the previous value, but setting > OFF-RTS seem to have solved. > Can it be that N1MM+ software changed this parameter in the K3S config? > > > > -- > Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to lists at subich.com > From ve3iay at gmail.com Sun Mar 18 11:49:38 2018 From: ve3iay at gmail.com (Richard Ferch) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2018 11:49:38 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] k3S usb software silenced sidetone and no rf out Message-ID: You said: > Can it be that N1MM+ software changed this parameter in the K3S config? No, it cannot. You need to set the N1MM+ configuration for the radio control port and the CONFIG:PTT-KEY menu item in the radio to match one another. For example, if CONFIG:PTT-KEY is set to OFF-RTS, then in N1MM+ you must configure DTR to Always Off and RTS to CW. Or, if you have configured DTR to CW and RTS to Always Off in N1MM+, then you must set CONFIG:PTT-KEY to OFF-DTR. 73, Rich VE3KI From wa6nhc at gmail.com Sun Mar 18 11:54:56 2018 From: wa6nhc at gmail.com (Rick WA6NHC) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2018 08:54:56 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] k3S usb software silenced sidetone and no rf out In-Reply-To: References: <1521375801209-0.post@n2.nabble.com> <1521378867999-0.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <06f37ca9-1954-6e53-a513-2a06021eb69d@gmail.com> With the homebrew circuit (opto-isolator X 3, one each for PTT, Data/FSK and CW) I'm using, I chose to take the CW keying directly to the key port of the K3 (in parallel with the hand key, plus there are paddles).? That allows me to leave Config: PTT Off-Off. This has worked really well, except the OS wake up still keys the transmitter during the discovery phase of boot up.? That apparently can't be avoided (so I put the TX in test mode, if I'm in the shack).? I use real serial ports as USB has more problems in QRO RF. This works in HRD and MMTTY.? For FT8, I have to switch from FSK D (or AFSK A) to Data A (or just use AFSK for RTTY and leave it alone). That cat still gets skinned and 'normal' is overrated.? ;-) 73, Rick nhc On 3/18/2018 8:21 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: > > Note: the normal configuration for CW and PTT when using the RS-232 > *or* USB virtual port with most software is PTT on RTS and CW on DTR. > For the K3/K3S that is CONFIG:PTT-KEY = rtS-dtR From donwilh at embarqmail.com Sun Mar 18 12:41:41 2018 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2018 12:41:41 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] k3S usb software silenced sidetone and no rf out In-Reply-To: <06f37ca9-1954-6e53-a513-2a06021eb69d@gmail.com> References: <1521375801209-0.post@n2.nabble.com> <1521378867999-0.post@n2.nabble.com> <06f37ca9-1954-6e53-a513-2a06021eb69d@gmail.com> Message-ID: <79015108-d35c-7b77-5bac-2b014b3601d5@embarqmail.com> For those who have a K3S or a K3 that has been upgraded with the KIO3B option, the "fix" for the problem of the computer 'wiggling' the DTR and RTS lines when the computer is turned on is to download MCU 5.33 or higher. There is a SAFE MODE to prevent just that - read the Firmware Release Notes for MCU 5.33. 73, Don W3FPR On 3/18/2018 11:54 AM, Rick WA6NHC wrote: > With the homebrew circuit (opto-isolator X 3, one each for PTT, Data/FSK > and CW) I'm using, I chose to take the CW keying directly to the key > port of the K3 (in parallel with the hand key, plus there are paddles). > That allows me to leave Config: PTT Off-Off. > > This has worked really well, except the OS wake up still keys the > transmitter during the discovery phase of boot up.? That apparently > can't be avoided (so I put the TX in test mode, if I'm in the shack).? I > use real serial ports as USB has more problems in QRO RF. > From FlatHat at comcast.net Sun Mar 18 13:09:39 2018 From: FlatHat at comcast.net (Richard) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2018 13:09:39 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S TX Noise Gate In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <15C33F65-2B8F-4379-8558-CD5287142BF3@comcast.net> Bill, Tx EQ: 50 = -16 100 = -12 200 = -6 400 = 0 800 = 0 1200 = +3 2400 = +9 3200 = +12 This works well for me. Richard - W4KBX > On Mar 18, 2018, at 10:53 AM, Bill Johnson wrote: > > Do you have the equalizer set higher levels or lower on the upper audio range? > > 73, > Bill > K9YEQ > > -----Original Message----- > From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of Richard > Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2018 7:54 PM > To: Elecraft Reflector > Subject: [Elecraft] K3S TX Noise Gate > > When I listen to myself in the monitor while setting Tx EQ and compression, I hear the fans in the background, so I thought I?d try the Transmit Noise Gate. > > I was a recording engineer, so I know what a gate is and what it should sound like. > > When I follow the manual instructions on how to access it through CONFIG TX GATE, how to tap 1 to turn it on and off, and how to use VFO A to adjust it, nothing happens. Zero. There is absolutely no gate action, no change in the sound as I run the adjustment from one end to the other. > > What might I be doing wrong? > > Richard - W4KBX > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to k9yeq at live.com From donwilh at embarqmail.com Sun Mar 18 13:25:27 2018 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2018 13:25:27 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S TX Noise Gate In-Reply-To: <15C33F65-2B8F-4379-8558-CD5287142BF3@comcast.net> References: <15C33F65-2B8F-4379-8558-CD5287142BF3@comcast.net> Message-ID: Richard, Remove the boost on the high end. You can reduce all bands if you want to maintain the same curve. It is better not to boost, but cut instead. 73, Don W3FPR On 3/18/2018 1:09 PM, Richard wrote: > Bill, > > Tx EQ: > 50 = -16 > 100 = -12 > 200 = -6 > 400 = 0 > 800 = 0 > 1200 = +3 > 2400 = +9 > 3200 = +12 > > This works well for me. > > Richard - W4KBX > > >> On Mar 18, 2018, at 10:53 AM, Bill Johnson wrote: >> >> Do you have the equalizer set higher levels or lower on the upper audio range? >> From lists at subich.com Sun Mar 18 13:29:36 2018 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2018 13:29:36 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] k3S usb software silenced sidetone and no rf out In-Reply-To: <79015108-d35c-7b77-5bac-2b014b3601d5@embarqmail.com> References: <1521375801209-0.post@n2.nabble.com> <1521378867999-0.post@n2.nabble.com> <06f37ca9-1954-6e53-a513-2a06021eb69d@gmail.com> <79015108-d35c-7b77-5bac-2b014b3601d5@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <68c51447-055d-0f64-97a8-8fe61973217e@subich.com> "Safe" mode also works with a standard serial port and an unmodified K3. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 3/18/2018 12:41 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > For those who have a K3S or a K3 that has been upgraded with the KIO3B > option, the "fix" for the problem of the computer 'wiggling' the DTR and > RTS lines when the computer is turned on is to download MCU 5.33 or higher. > > There is a SAFE MODE to prevent just that - read the Firmware Release > Notes for MCU 5.33. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 3/18/2018 11:54 AM, Rick WA6NHC wrote: >> With the homebrew circuit (opto-isolator X 3, one each for PTT, >> Data/FSK and CW) I'm using, I chose to take the CW keying directly to >> the key port of the K3 (in parallel with the hand key, plus there are >> paddles). That allows me to leave Config: PTT Off-Off. >> >> This has worked really well, except the OS wake up still keys the >> transmitter during the discovery phase of boot up.? That apparently >> can't be avoided (so I put the TX in test mode, if I'm in the shack). >> I use real serial ports as USB has more problems in QRO RF. >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to lists at subich.com From wunder at wunderwood.org Sun Mar 18 16:28:29 2018 From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2018 13:28:29 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S TX Noise Gate In-Reply-To: References: <15C33F65-2B8F-4379-8558-CD5287142BF3@comcast.net> Message-ID: A while ago, I collected and graphed all the TX EQ settings posted to this list. Some were pretty wild, but a few experienced ops all agreed on big cuts to the low frequencies and an optional small boost on the upper end. Those are collected in this blog post. It says ?KX3?, but the TX EQ advice was actually from K3 users. https://observer.wunderwood.org/2015/09/09/transmit-audio-and-compression-with-the-elecraft-kx3/ Here is the original data. See ?Chart All? to compare everyone. Hmm, maybe I?ll add yours. In my copious free time. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1tgQv3Dg7lSqffr5LTrgSkCN0SH678jY0ZGs1UdXeRbc/edit?usp=sharing wunder Walter Underwood wunder at wunderwood.org http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) > On Mar 18, 2018, at 10:25 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > > Richard, > > Remove the boost on the high end. > You can reduce all bands if you want to maintain the same curve. > It is better not to boost, but cut instead. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 3/18/2018 1:09 PM, Richard wrote: >> Bill, >> Tx EQ: >> 50 = -16 >> 100 = -12 >> 200 = -6 >> 400 = 0 >> 800 = 0 >> 1200 = +3 >> 2400 = +9 >> 3200 = +12 >> This works well for me. >> Richard - W4KBX >>> On Mar 18, 2018, at 10:53 AM, Bill Johnson wrote: >>> >>> Do you have the equalizer set higher levels or lower on the upper audio range? >>> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wunder at wunderwood.org From k9yeq at live.com Sun Mar 18 18:37:26 2018 From: k9yeq at live.com (Bill Johnson) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2018 22:37:26 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S TX Noise Gate In-Reply-To: References: <15C33F65-2B8F-4379-8558-CD5287142BF3@comcast.net> Message-ID: Richard, I agree with Don, perhaps the extreme high setting, which is well beyond your highest voice frequency may have something to do with the lack of effectiveness. I would add that the gain at 2400 is extraordinary as well. 10 db of audio increase, if I recall correctly from my technical training (Signal Corp '69-72), is like doubling the perceived volume. That is a lot. Of course, this doesn't take your mic into consideration. 73, Bill K9YEQ -----Original Message----- From: Don Wilhelm Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2018 12:25 PM To: Richard ; Bill Johnson Cc: Elecraft Reflector Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S TX Noise Gate Richard, Remove the boost on the high end. You can reduce all bands if you want to maintain the same curve. It is better not to boost, but cut instead. 73, Don W3FPR On 3/18/2018 1:09 PM, Richard wrote: > Bill, > > Tx EQ: > 50 = -16 > 100 = -12 > 200 = -6 > 400 = 0 > 800 = 0 > 1200 = +3 > 2400 = +9 > 3200 = +12 > > This works well for me. > > Richard - W4KBX > > >> On Mar 18, 2018, at 10:53 AM, Bill Johnson wrote: >> >> Do you have the equalizer set higher levels or lower on the upper audio range? >> From k9yeq at live.com Sun Mar 18 18:43:08 2018 From: k9yeq at live.com (Bill Johnson) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2018 22:43:08 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S TX Noise Gate In-Reply-To: References: <15C33F65-2B8F-4379-8558-CD5287142BF3@comcast.net> Message-ID: I have corrected what I meant to convey. Richard, I agree with Don. What I was getting at was that perhaps the extreme high setting, which is well beyond your highest voice frequency, may have something to do with the lack of effectiveness for the transmit gate I would add that the gain at 2400 is extraordinary as well. 10 dB of audio increase, if I recall correctly from my technical training (Signal Corp '69-72), is like doubling the perceived volume. That is a lot. Of course, this doesn't take your mic into consideration. The noise gate goes to 10 dB I believe. 73, Bill K9YEQ -----Original Message----- From: Don Wilhelm Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2018 12:25 PM To: Richard ; Bill Johnson Cc: Elecraft Reflector Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S TX Noise Gate Richard, Remove the boost on the high end. You can reduce all bands if you want to maintain the same curve. It is better not to boost, but cut instead. 73, Don W3FPR On 3/18/2018 1:09 PM, Richard wrote: > Bill, > > Tx EQ: > 50 = -16 > 100 = -12 > 200 = -6 > 400 = 0 > 800 = 0 > 1200 = +3 > 2400 = +9 > 3200 = +12 > > This works well for me. > > Richard - W4KBX > > >> On Mar 18, 2018, at 10:53 AM, Bill Johnson wrote: >> >> Do you have the equalizer set higher levels or lower on the upper audio range? >> From kevinr at coho.net Sun Mar 18 20:37:35 2018 From: kevinr at coho.net (kevinr) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2018 17:37:35 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Report Message-ID: <288b7fa0-b0d3-3c6f-127e-c28aa0a79efc@coho.net> Good Evening, ?? Sorry to those of you who heard the end of the forty meter net.? My hand was no longer paying attention to me.? Too much typing for the last two months has made it cramp up on me.? I can still type, albeit slowly, but CW got near impossible for the last minute or two.? Unfortunately my time at the keyboard will not slow until around the end of April when this project is complete so please bear with me while I pain you with poor CW.? I really should not have broken so many bones in my right wrist, hand, and fingers when I was in my teens, thirties, forties, and fifties. ?? QSB was high on both bands but worse on 20 meters.? I was able to check into the Virginia QSO Party before the first net with a single call so conditions to the east were good.? I had to repeat my number (NR 1) because I am sure he did not believe me :)? Then there is the persistent problem of state.? Folks want me to be in OK not OR.? That is my own fault since I like my call sign earned while I lived in New Mexico. On 14050.5 kHz at 2200z: NO8V - John - MI K6XK - Roy - IA K4JPN - Steve - GA W0CZ - Ken - ND On 7044.5 kHz at 0000z: K0DTJ - Brian - CA K6PJV - Dale - CA W0CZ - Ken - ND Once again my apologies for poor sending.? When all the typing is complete my fist may improve. 73, ???? Kevin.? KD5ONS From kevinr at coho.net Sun Mar 18 20:50:53 2018 From: kevinr at coho.net (kevinr) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2018 17:50:53 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [OT?] Changing which hand you send with Message-ID: <4312f38d-58bd-8455-6c42-3a54aca74633@coho.net> Have any of you attempted changing dominant hands?? My left hand has very few broken bones in it and rarely has the pain I have in my right one.? How difficult would it be to learn to send with my non-dominant hand?? I came very close to giving up CW a few years ago when I had nerve damage in my right arm.? I have gotten marginally better since then but hate hurting peoples' ears with my sending.? A friend of mine was able to learn to bow her cello left handed and went on to Juilliard.? But I don't have anywhere near her skills.? Any thoughts you may have for my dilemma? ?? 73, ????? Kevin.? KD5ONS From dave at nk7z.net Sun Mar 18 20:56:49 2018 From: dave at nk7z.net (Dave Cole (NK7Z)) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2018 17:56:49 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [OT?] Changing which hand you send with In-Reply-To: <4312f38d-58bd-8455-6c42-3a54aca74633@coho.net> References: <4312f38d-58bd-8455-6c42-3a54aca74633@coho.net> Message-ID: <1689a27e-1bfa-d5f2-d72c-141de497a718@nk7z.net> I have tried once, but it was difficult... However if you invert the paddle it gets a lot better! One other trick, send the same thing with both hands, it makes it easer to send lefty for me. 73s and thanks, Dave NK7Z https://www.nk7z.net On 03/18/2018 05:50 PM, kevinr wrote: > Have any of you attempted changing dominant hands?? My left hand has > very few broken bones in it and rarely has the pain I have in my right > one.? How difficult would it be to learn to send with my non-dominant > hand?? I came very close to giving up CW a few years ago when I had > nerve damage in my right arm.? I have gotten marginally better since > then but hate hurting peoples' ears with my sending.? A friend of mine > was able to learn to bow her cello left handed and went on to > Juilliard.? But I don't have anywhere near her skills.? Any thoughts you > may have for my dilemma? > ?? 73, > ????? Kevin.? KD5ONS > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dave at nk7z.net From c-hawley at illinois.edu Sun Mar 18 21:03:57 2018 From: c-hawley at illinois.edu (hawley, charles j jr) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2018 01:03:57 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] [OT?] Changing which hand you send with In-Reply-To: <4312f38d-58bd-8455-6c42-3a54aca74633@coho.net> References: <4312f38d-58bd-8455-6c42-3a54aca74633@coho.net> Message-ID: <2E29B7FF-3797-49C7-8ECE-B907E37144E2@illinois.edu> I learned to send iambic with my right hand (I am right handed) and by simply reversing the function of the left and right paddles, I am able to switch to the left hand. Chuck Jack KE9UW Sent from my iPhone, cjack > On Mar 18, 2018, at 7:51 PM, kevinr wrote: > > Have any of you attempted changing dominant hands? My left hand has very few broken bones in it and rarely has the pain I have in my right one. How difficult would it be to learn to send with my non-dominant hand? I came very close to giving up CW a few years ago when I had nerve damage in my right arm. I have gotten marginally better since then but hate hurting peoples' ears with my sending. A friend of mine was able to learn to bow her cello left handed and went on to Juilliard. But I don't have anywhere near her skills. Any thoughts you may have for my dilemma? > 73, > Kevin. KD5ONS > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to c-hawley at illinois.edu From FlatHat at comcast.net Sun Mar 18 21:07:20 2018 From: FlatHat at comcast.net (Richard) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2018 21:07:20 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S TX Noise Gate In-Reply-To: References: <15C33F65-2B8F-4379-8558-CD5287142BF3@comcast.net> Message-ID: <36D0B29B-0DE1-431C-9D2D-0A83E1EE6E83@comcast.net> May I draw your attention to the bottom of this page. https://heilsound.com/heil-amateur-radio/support/dsp-settings/all-things-elecraft/ But then, what does Bob Heil know about audio? Richard - W4KBX > On Mar 18, 2018, at 1:25 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > > Richard, > > Remove the boost on the high end. > You can reduce all bands if you want to maintain the same curve. > It is better not to boost, but cut instead. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 3/18/2018 1:09 PM, Richard wrote: >> Bill, >> Tx EQ: >> 50 = -16 >> 100 = -12 >> 200 = -6 >> 400 = 0 >> 800 = 0 >> 1200 = +3 >> 2400 = +9 >> 3200 = +12 >> This works well for me. >> Richard - W4KBX >>> On Mar 18, 2018, at 10:53 AM, Bill Johnson wrote: >>> >>> Do you have the equalizer set higher levels or lower on the upper audio range? >>> From ghyoungman at gmail.com Sun Mar 18 21:24:07 2018 From: ghyoungman at gmail.com (GRANT YOUNGMAN) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2018 21:24:07 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S TX Noise Gate In-Reply-To: <36D0B29B-0DE1-431C-9D2D-0A83E1EE6E83@comcast.net> References: <15C33F65-2B8F-4379-8558-CD5287142BF3@comcast.net> <36D0B29B-0DE1-431C-9D2D-0A83E1EE6E83@comcast.net> Message-ID: <4D1D2110-F334-4CCE-B5F3-59BB7256BBC2@gmail.com> It doesn?t have much to do with ?audio knowledge?, it has to do with how these specific radios behave when you push EQ to high positive values. No one is questioning Heil?s audio chops, but that doesn?t translate into him being a knowledgable expert on the Kx radios. This has been discussed here ad nausaum. You?re better off, if you can, to scale values DOWN to get an EQ curve rather than push them up. > On Mar 18, 2018, at 9:07 PM, Richard wrote: > > May I draw your attention to the bottom of this page. > > https://heilsound.com/heil-amateur-radio/support/dsp-settings/all-things-elecraft/ > > But then, what does Bob Heil know about audio? > > Richard - W4KBX > >> On Mar 18, 2018, at 1:25 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: >> >> Richard, >> >> Remove the boost on the high end. >> You can reduce all bands if you want to maintain the same curve. >> It is better not to boost, but cut instead. >> Grant NQ5T K3 #2091, KX3 #8342 From k9yeq at live.com Sun Mar 18 21:27:11 2018 From: k9yeq at live.com (Bill Johnson) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2018 01:27:11 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S TX Noise Gate In-Reply-To: <36D0B29B-0DE1-431C-9D2D-0A83E1EE6E83@comcast.net> References: <15C33F65-2B8F-4379-8558-CD5287142BF3@comcast.net> <36D0B29B-0DE1-431C-9D2D-0A83E1EE6E83@comcast.net> Message-ID: Richard, I thought the issue was TX Gate. I use a Heil mic and respect the Heil reference, personally, using the digital recorder to listen to playback, I don't find his settings good for all. YMMV. Good luck. 73, Bill K9YEQ -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of Richard Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2018 8:07 PM To: donwilh at embarqmail.com Cc: Elecraft Reflector Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S TX Noise Gate May I draw your attention to the bottom of this page. https://heilsound.com/heil-amateur-radio/support/dsp-settings/all-things-elecraft/ But then, what does Bob Heil know about audio? Richard - W4KBX > On Mar 18, 2018, at 1:25 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > > Richard, > > Remove the boost on the high end. > You can reduce all bands if you want to maintain the same curve. > It is better not to boost, but cut instead. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 3/18/2018 1:09 PM, Richard wrote: >> Bill, >> Tx EQ: >> 50 = -16 >> 100 = -12 >> 200 = -6 >> 400 = 0 >> 800 = 0 >> 1200 = +3 >> 2400 = +9 >> 3200 = +12 >> This works well for me. >> Richard - W4KBX >>> On Mar 18, 2018, at 10:53 AM, Bill Johnson wrote: >>> >>> Do you have the equalizer set higher levels or lower on the upper audio range? >>> ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to k9yeq at live.com From eric.csuf at gmail.com Sun Mar 18 21:32:40 2018 From: eric.csuf at gmail.com (EricJ) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2018 18:32:40 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [OT?] Changing which hand you send with In-Reply-To: <4312f38d-58bd-8455-6c42-3a54aca74633@coho.net> References: <4312f38d-58bd-8455-6c42-3a54aca74633@coho.net> Message-ID: <8ee8cff2-4b3a-ba7f-701e-f033af434a53@gmail.com> I tried it 30 years ago so I could hold a pencil with my dominant (left) hand and not have to put it down when keying with my right.? It took a couple evenings to get back up to speed. Keep it symmetrical. If your sending dots with your right thumb, swap the paddle lead so you're sending dots with your left hand. Your brain can deal with it a lot easier. I can switch from right handed to left handed bug with? equal ease. The same isn't true with a straight key, though. I have never been able to send right handed with a straight key but have no problem with 20 wpm with my left. Different skill. It's very easy to give it a try. I think you'll be surprised. Eric KE6US On 3/18/2018 5:50 PM, kevinr wrote: > Have any of you attempted changing dominant hands?? My left hand has > very few broken bones in it and rarely has the pain I have in my right > one.? How difficult would it be to learn to send with my non-dominant > hand?? I came very close to giving up CW a few years ago when I had > nerve damage in my right arm.? I have gotten marginally better since > then but hate hurting peoples' ears with my sending.? A friend of mine > was able to learn to bow her cello left handed and went on to > Juilliard.? But I don't have anywhere near her skills.? Any thoughts > you may have for my dilemma? > ?? 73, > ????? Kevin.? KD5ONS > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to eric.csuf at gmail.com From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Sun Mar 18 21:41:42 2018 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2018 18:41:42 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S TX Noise Gate In-Reply-To: <36D0B29B-0DE1-431C-9D2D-0A83E1EE6E83@comcast.net> References: <15C33F65-2B8F-4379-8558-CD5287142BF3@comcast.net> <36D0B29B-0DE1-431C-9D2D-0A83E1EE6E83@comcast.net> Message-ID: <0201ed30-c356-f4ec-bf8e-c8f1f5891662@audiosystemsgroup.com> The original question was about TX Noise Gate.? How did we get onto TXEQ? To some extent, TX EQ settings depend on the mic and voice. For competitive, good sounding audio to cut through QRM and noise, a good starting point for most ham mics and average voices is max cut of the three lowest EQ bands, 6 dB cut of the fourth, 6 dB boost of the top two bands, 0 dB (no boost, no cut) for the remaining bands. Once these setting are made, set Comp to see 10 dB of compression on peaks, and get reports from a good listener. 73, Jim K9YC From donwilh at embarqmail.com Sun Mar 18 21:45:20 2018 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2018 21:45:20 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] [OT?] Changing which hand you send with In-Reply-To: <4312f38d-58bd-8455-6c42-3a54aca74633@coho.net> References: <4312f38d-58bd-8455-6c42-3a54aca74633@coho.net> Message-ID: Kevin, Set the paddle menu to PDL Rev, and practice, practice, practice. 73, Don W3FPR On 3/18/2018 8:50 PM, kevinr wrote: > Have any of you attempted changing dominant hands?? My left hand has > very few broken bones in it and rarely has the pain I have in my right > one.? How difficult would it be to learn to send with my non-dominant > hand?? I came very close to giving up CW a few years ago when I had > nerve damage in my right arm.? I have gotten marginally better since > then but hate hurting peoples' ears with my sending.? A friend of mine > was able to learn to bow her cello left handed and went on to > Juilliard.? But I don't have anywhere near her skills.? Any thoughts you > may have for my dilemma? From kevinr at coho.net Sun Mar 18 21:47:20 2018 From: kevinr at coho.net (kevinr) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2018 18:47:20 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [OT?] Changing which hand you send with In-Reply-To: References: <4312f38d-58bd-8455-6c42-3a54aca74633@coho.net> Message-ID: <33e85c60-d667-d0b7-c3b6-55569a2ab696@coho.net> Yes SIR, I really want to get to Carnegie Hall :) ?? VY 73 all ya-all ????? Kevin.? KD5ONS On 03/18/2018 06:45 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > Kevin, > > Set the paddle menu to PDL Rev, and practice, practice, practice. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 3/18/2018 8:50 PM, kevinr wrote: >> Have any of you attempted changing dominant hands?? My left hand has >> very few broken bones in it and rarely has the pain I have in my >> right one.? How difficult would it be to learn to send with my >> non-dominant hand?? I came very close to giving up CW a few years ago >> when I had nerve damage in my right arm.? I have gotten marginally >> better since then but hate hurting peoples' ears with my sending.? A >> friend of mine was able to learn to bow her cello left handed and >> went on to Juilliard.? But I don't have anywhere near her skills. Any >> thoughts you may have for my dilemma? > From donwilh at embarqmail.com Sun Mar 18 21:50:17 2018 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2018 21:50:17 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S TX Noise Gate In-Reply-To: <0201ed30-c356-f4ec-bf8e-c8f1f5891662@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <15C33F65-2B8F-4379-8558-CD5287142BF3@comcast.net> <36D0B29B-0DE1-431C-9D2D-0A83E1EE6E83@comcast.net> <0201ed30-c356-f4ec-bf8e-c8f1f5891662@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <1df1a891-cf9f-b16c-f3b6-fd121d72c145@embarqmail.com> The boost at high frequencies will allow the mic audio to pick up extraneous room noise, and may override (interfere) with the operation of the noise gate. Jim is correct on all other counts. 73, Don W3FPR On 3/18/2018 9:41 PM, Jim Brown wrote: > The original question was about TX Noise Gate.? How did we get onto TXEQ? > > To some extent, TX EQ settings depend on the mic and voice. For > competitive, good sounding audio to cut through QRM and noise, a good > starting point for most ham mics and average voices is max cut of the > three lowest EQ bands, 6 dB cut of the fourth, 6 dB boost of the top two > bands, 0 dB (no boost, no cut) for the remaining bands. Once these > setting are made, set Comp to see 10 dB of compression on peaks, and get > reports from a good listener. From k6dgw at foothill.net Sun Mar 18 21:52:14 2018 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2018 18:52:14 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [OT?] Changing which hand you send with In-Reply-To: <1689a27e-1bfa-d5f2-d72c-141de497a718@nk7z.net> References: <4312f38d-58bd-8455-6c42-3a54aca74633@coho.net> <1689a27e-1bfa-d5f2-d72c-141de497a718@nk7z.net> Message-ID: <3a6f5826-8f32-3421-ae38-8de7bc157b91@foothill.net> A survey taken here on the list a number of years ago found that: ~25% of hams considered themselves left-handed ~all of them considered themselves to be engineers or retired engineers ~50% of them learned to send right to 1) keep the log, and 2) be able to guest op ~0% of northpaws learned to paddle left I'm a southpaw, I learned to paddle right early, for the above two reasons.? We live in a right-handed world ["Tyranny of the Majority"], so it's probably easier for us to learn to do things right than it is for you to do things left, we do it all the time.? Try a manual can opener left-handed. [:-) You can learn however, I know several who have switched to left. Some paddle left with the paddle set to left [dots on thumb] and some do it the other way.? I have two paddles, often switch off as I get older ... and older. 73, Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW Sparks NV DM09dn Washoe County On 3/18/2018 5:56 PM, Dave Cole (NK7Z) wrote: > I have tried once, but it was difficult...? However if you invert the > paddle it gets a lot better! > > One other trick, send the same thing with both hands, it makes it > easer to send lefty for me. > > 73s and thanks, > Dave > NK7Z > https://www.nk7z.net > > On 03/18/2018 05:50 PM, kevinr wrote: >> Have any of you attempted changing dominant hands?? My left hand has >> very few broken bones in it and rarely has the pain I have in my >> right one.? How difficult would it be to learn to send with my >> non-dominant hand?? I came very close to giving up CW a few years ago >> when I had nerve damage in my right arm.? I have gotten marginally >> better since then but hate hurting peoples' ears with my sending.? A >> friend of mine was able to learn to bow her cello left handed and >> went on to Juilliard.? But I don't have anywhere near her skills. Any >> thoughts you may have for my dilemma? >> ??? 73, >> ?????? Kevin.? KD5ONS From kevinr at coho.net Sun Mar 18 22:06:55 2018 From: kevinr at coho.net (kevinr) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2018 19:06:55 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [OT?] Changing which hand you send with In-Reply-To: <3a6f5826-8f32-3421-ae38-8de7bc157b91@foothill.net> References: <4312f38d-58bd-8455-6c42-3a54aca74633@coho.net> <1689a27e-1bfa-d5f2-d72c-141de497a718@nk7z.net> <3a6f5826-8f32-3421-ae38-8de7bc157b91@foothill.net> Message-ID: <6aa0fb52-a9ad-d969-08e6-c8706a64ebe6@coho.net> Hey Fred, ??? I know of one guitarist who was pretty good playing backward guitar.? He was from Seattle and known as Jimi.? Regular guitar tuning but backward because of the the northpaw conspiracy.? While I could just barely throw a 90 mph fast ball (four seamer) right handed I could never have thrown one left-handed.? However, it has been mentioned I may be able to throw 20 wpm CW backwards. Hopefully I'll learn your ambidextrous ways and keep ECN going for a few more years.? Yes, baseball was my downfall.? Catching and pitching both took their toll; but I had mountains of fun breaking those bones :)? And I NEVER had a passed ball in my career. ?? Thanks & 73, ?????? Kevin. On 03/18/2018 06:52 PM, Fred Jensen wrote: > A survey taken here on the list a number of years ago found that: > > ~25% of hams considered themselves left-handed > ~all of them considered themselves to be engineers or retired engineers > ~50% of them learned to send right to 1) keep the log, and 2) be able > to guest op > ~0% of northpaws learned to paddle left > > I'm a southpaw, I learned to paddle right early, for the above two > reasons.? We live in a right-handed world ["Tyranny of the Majority"], > so it's probably easier for us to learn to do things right than it is > for you to do things left, we do it all the time.? Try a manual can > opener left-handed. [:-) > > You can learn however, I know several who have switched to left. Some > paddle left with the paddle set to left [dots on thumb] and some do it > the other way.? I have two paddles, often switch off as I get older > ... and older. > > 73, > > Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW > Sparks NV DM09dn > Washoe County > > On 3/18/2018 5:56 PM, Dave Cole (NK7Z) wrote: >> I have tried once, but it was difficult...? However if you invert the >> paddle it gets a lot better! >> >> One other trick, send the same thing with both hands, it makes it >> easer to send lefty for me. >> >> 73s and thanks, >> Dave >> NK7Z >> https://www.nk7z.net >> >> On 03/18/2018 05:50 PM, kevinr wrote: >>> Have any of you attempted changing dominant hands?? My left hand has >>> very few broken bones in it and rarely has the pain I have in my >>> right one.? How difficult would it be to learn to send with my >>> non-dominant hand?? I came very close to giving up CW a few years >>> ago when I had nerve damage in my right arm.? I have gotten >>> marginally better since then but hate hurting peoples' ears with my >>> sending.? A friend of mine was able to learn to bow her cello left >>> handed and went on to Juilliard.? But I don't have anywhere near her >>> skills. Any thoughts you may have for my dilemma? >>> ??? 73, >>> ?????? Kevin.? KD5ONS > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to kevinr at coho.net From will at ravenel.us Sun Mar 18 22:08:48 2018 From: will at ravenel.us (William Ravenel) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2018 22:08:48 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] [OT?] Changing which hand you send with Message-ID: <6389D88D-97F4-4405-8D55-F8A27A532A0D@ravenel.us> I?m right handed but decided I?d use a paddle left handed fore ease of taking notes. In my case I left the paddle sense alone (dahs on right paddle) to facilitate sharing without reversing. Didn?t see how this would be harder and it hasn?t been. Will, AI4VE From n1al at sonic.net Sun Mar 18 22:10:21 2018 From: n1al at sonic.net (Alan) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2018 19:10:21 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [OT?] Changing which hand you send with In-Reply-To: <4312f38d-58bd-8455-6c42-3a54aca74633@coho.net> References: <4312f38d-58bd-8455-6c42-3a54aca74633@coho.net> Message-ID: My first speed key was a left-handed bug, even though I am right-handed. (My college room mate WB2SEZ was a lefty and I used his bug.) To this day I can send with either a bug or an electronic keyer with either hand. I think it would be challenging, but certainly do-able, to learn to send with the opposing hand later in life. If you do that, be sure to swap the dot and dash leads on the key paddle. The dits should always be sent with the thumb and the dashes with the finger no matter which hand you're using. An alternative that I sometimes use as a temporary solution is to grab the key paddle from the other side, with the hand over they keying mechanism. Alan N1AL On 03/18/2018 05:50 PM, kevinr wrote: > Have any of you attempted changing dominant hands?? My left hand has > very few broken bones in it and rarely has the pain I have in my right > one.? How difficult would it be to learn to send with my non-dominant > hand?? I came very close to giving up CW a few years ago when I had > nerve damage in my right arm.? I have gotten marginally better since > then but hate hurting peoples' ears with my sending.? A friend of mine > was able to learn to bow her cello left handed and went on to > Juilliard.? But I don't have anywhere near her skills.? Any thoughts you > may have for my dilemma? > ?? 73, > ????? Kevin.? KD5ONS From kevinr at coho.net Sun Mar 18 22:13:47 2018 From: kevinr at coho.net (kevinr) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2018 19:13:47 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [OT?] Changing which hand you send with In-Reply-To: <6389D88D-97F4-4405-8D55-F8A27A532A0D@ravenel.us> References: <6389D88D-97F4-4405-8D55-F8A27A532A0D@ravenel.us> Message-ID: Very cool, I had never heard this way of doing things.? I'll try it. ?? Kevin. KD5ONS On 03/18/2018 07:08 PM, William Ravenel wrote: > I?m right handed but decided I?d use a paddle left handed fore ease of taking notes. In my case I left the paddle sense alone (dahs on right paddle) to facilitate sharing without reversing. Didn?t see how this would be harder and it hasn?t been. > > Will, AI4VE > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to kevinr at coho.net From kevinr at coho.net Sun Mar 18 22:15:52 2018 From: kevinr at coho.net (kevinr) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2018 19:15:52 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [OT?] Changing which hand you send with In-Reply-To: References: <4312f38d-58bd-8455-6c42-3a54aca74633@coho.net> Message-ID: I've tried upside down before but I'll need practice sending normally with the "wrong" hand. ?? Thank you, ??????? Kevin. On 03/18/2018 07:10 PM, Alan wrote: > My first speed key was a left-handed bug, even though I am > right-handed. ?(My college room mate WB2SEZ was a lefty and I used his > bug.)? To this day I can send with either a bug or an electronic keyer > with either hand.? I think it would be challenging, but certainly > do-able, to learn to send with the opposing hand later in life. > > If you do that, be sure to swap the dot and dash leads on the key > paddle.? The dits should always be sent with the thumb and the dashes > with the finger no matter which hand you're using. > > An alternative that I sometimes use as a temporary solution is to grab > the key paddle from the other side, with the hand over they keying > mechanism. > > Alan N1AL > > > On 03/18/2018 05:50 PM, kevinr wrote: >> Have any of you attempted changing dominant hands?? My left hand has >> very few broken bones in it and rarely has the pain I have in my >> right one.? How difficult would it be to learn to send with my >> non-dominant hand?? I came very close to giving up CW a few years ago >> when I had nerve damage in my right arm.? I have gotten marginally >> better since then but hate hurting peoples' ears with my sending.? A >> friend of mine was able to learn to bow her cello left handed and >> went on to Juilliard.? But I don't have anywhere near her skills. Any >> thoughts you may have for my dilemma? >> ??? 73, >> ?????? Kevin.? KD5ONS > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to kevinr at coho.net From rick.commo at frontier.com Sun Mar 18 22:25:04 2018 From: rick.commo at frontier.com (Rick Commo) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2018 19:25:04 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [OT?] Changing which hand you send with In-Reply-To: <8ee8cff2-4b3a-ba7f-701e-f033af434a53@gmail.com> References: <4312f38d-58bd-8455-6c42-3a54aca74633@coho.net> <8ee8cff2-4b3a-ba7f-701e-f033af434a53@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5735859E-F145-4F03-8DB7-D8E18E99518D@frontier.com> Like Eric, I am a lefty. I forced myself to learn to use a paddle with my right hand so I wouldn?t have to put the pencil down. One different thing I did was to send DAHs with my thumb (ie. the ?slow? finger?) and DITs with my fore (ie. ?last?) finger. What I have found is that my dominant hand seems to track my right hand at about the 85% level if I reverse the paddles from what I normally have. When I try a ?normal? paddle at hamfests I just turn my back to the keyed and send ?backwards?. Usually good for a comment or two! ;-) Also like Eric, I cannot send straight key with my right hand. -rick, K7LOG On Mar 18, 2018, at 18:32, EricJ wrote: I tried it 30 years ago so I could hold a pencil with my dominant (left) hand and not have to put it down when keying with my right. It took a couple evenings to get back up to speed. Keep it symmetrical. If your sending dots with your right thumb, swap the paddle lead so you're sending dots with your left hand. Your brain can deal with it a lot easier. I can switch from right handed to left handed bug with equal ease. The same isn't true with a straight key, though. I have never been able to send right handed with a straight key but have no problem with 20 wpm with my left. Different skill. It's very easy to give it a try. I think you'll be surprised. Eric KE6US On 3/18/2018 5:50 PM, kevinr wrote: > Have any of you attempted changing dominant hands? My left hand has very few broken bones in it and rarely has the pain I have in my right one. How difficult would it be to learn to send with my non-dominant hand? I came very close to giving up CW a few years ago when I had nerve damage in my right arm. I have gotten marginally better since then but hate hurting peoples' ears with my sending. A friend of mine was able to learn to bow her cello left handed and went on to Juilliard. But I don't have anywhere near her skills. Any thoughts you may have for my dilemma? > 73, > Kevin. KD5ONS > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to eric.csuf at gmail.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to rick.commo at frontier.com From jim at jtmiller.com Sun Mar 18 22:29:11 2018 From: jim at jtmiller.com (Jim Miller) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2018 22:29:11 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KPOD: how to turn off beep on button press? Message-ID: How do I stop the KPOD from beeping each time a button is pressed? Thanks Jim ab3cv From lists at subich.com Sun Mar 18 22:43:36 2018 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2018 22:43:36 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S TX Noise Gate In-Reply-To: <36D0B29B-0DE1-431C-9D2D-0A83E1EE6E83@comcast.net> References: <15C33F65-2B8F-4379-8558-CD5287142BF3@comcast.net> <36D0B29B-0DE1-431C-9D2D-0A83E1EE6E83@comcast.net> Message-ID: <4e33ce57-58af-6c3a-ed78-6d9a30e15346@subich.com> > But then, what does Bob Heil know about audio? Based on the charts on his web page, Bob Heil knows *nothing* about the structure of human voice (speech). There is little or no usable energy in speech below 200 Hz - even the lowest bass voices have little *speech* energy that low. In addition, there is little to no energy between 800 Hz and 1100 Hz (it is believed by scientists that voice developed that way so humans could hear danger in the presence of voices). Only a soprano (female) or countertenor (male) will actually have vocal energy when singing in the 800 - 1100 Hz range but neither will have speech energy in that range. In any case, doing anything other than -16dB in the bottom three "bands" and no boost at 800 Hz shows a complete lack of understanding of speech and marks Bob Heil as strictly a *MUSICIAN* - one primarily experienced in microphones for *INSTRUMENTS* or *VOCALISTS* not communications. Heil's "Typical EQ adjustments for most mics or headsets" should have 800 Hz = 0 (or even -6), 1600 Hz = +3dB, 2400 Hz = +5 dB and 3200 Hz = +6 dB (that provides a smooth 3 dB per octave increase above the nominal level at 400/800 Hz). In most cases, 3200 Hz can even be set at 0 since audio above 2700/3000 Hz will be cut off by the DSP modulation function anyway! 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 3/18/2018 9:07 PM, Richard wrote: > May I draw your attention to the bottom of this page. > > https://heilsound.com/heil-amateur-radio/support/dsp-settings/all-things-elecraft/ > > But then, what does Bob Heil know about audio? > > Richard - W4KBX > >> On Mar 18, 2018, at 1:25 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: >> >> Richard, >> >> Remove the boost on the high end. >> You can reduce all bands if you want to maintain the same curve. >> It is better not to boost, but cut instead. >> >> 73, >> Don W3FPR >> >> On 3/18/2018 1:09 PM, Richard wrote: >>> Bill, >>> Tx EQ: >>> 50 = -16 >>> 100 = -12 >>> 200 = -6 >>> 400 = 0 >>> 800 = 0 >>> 1200 = +3 >>> 2400 = +9 >>> 3200 = +12 >>> This works well for me. >>> Richard - W4KBX >>>> On Mar 18, 2018, at 10:53 AM, Bill Johnson wrote: >>>> >>>> Do you have the equalizer set higher levels or lower on the upper audio range? >>>> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to lists at subich.com > From lists at subich.com Sun Mar 18 22:53:09 2018 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2018 22:53:09 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S TX Noise Gate In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <341b244c-407e-a2cc-644f-6b3b9732b4cb@subich.com> Which monitor setting are you using? If you have selected "Fast" monitor, you may not hear the TX Gate (or EQ, compression, etc.). The fast monitor is "pre-DSP" audio that avoids the latency (delay) in the DSP processing. 73, ... Joe, W4TV > -----Original Message----- > From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of Richard > Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2018 7:54 PM > To: Elecraft Reflector > Subject: [Elecraft] K3S TX Noise Gate > > When I listen to myself in the monitor while setting Tx EQ and > compression, I hear the fans in the background, so I thought I?d try > the Transmit Noise Gate. > > I was a recording engineer, so I know what a gate is and what it > should sound like. > > When I follow the manual instructions on how to > access it through CONFIG TX GATE, how to tap 1 to turn it on and off, > and how to use VFO A to adjust it, nothing happens. Zero. There is > absolutely no gate action, no change in the sound as I run the > adjustment from one end to the other. > > What might I be doing wrong? > > Richard - W4KBX > ______________________________________________________________ From marvwheeler at nwlink.com Sun Mar 18 23:03:22 2018 From: marvwheeler at nwlink.com (marvwheeler at nwlink.com) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2018 20:03:22 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [OT?] Changing which hand you send with In-Reply-To: <33e85c60-d667-d0b7-c3b6-55569a2ab696@coho.net> References: <4312f38d-58bd-8455-6c42-3a54aca74633@coho.net> <33e85c60-d667-d0b7-c3b6-55569a2ab696@coho.net> Message-ID: <000001d3bf2e$d7ae94e0$870bbea0$@nwlink.com> Kevin: If you lost the use of your dominant hand due to a stroke or industrial accident what would you do? I would guess you would continue life pretty much as it is today except there would be a slowing of productivity until you got back up to speed with the non-dominant hand. Switching hands occurs a lot more frequently than we hear about and generally it is later in life when it is far more difficult. Marv KG7V > On 3/18/2018 8:50 PM, kevinr wrote: >> Have any of you attempted changing dominant hands? My left hand has >> very few broken bones in it and rarely has the pain I have in my >> right one. How difficult would it be to learn to send with my >> non-dominant hand? I came very close to giving up CW a few years ago >> when I had nerve damage in my right arm. I have gotten marginally >> better since then but hate hurting peoples' ears with my sending. A >> friend of mine was able to learn to bow her cello left handed and >> went on to Juilliard. But I don't have anywhere near her skills. Any >> thoughts you may have for my dilemma? > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to marvwheeler at nwlink.com From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Mon Mar 19 00:20:27 2018 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2018 21:20:27 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S TX Noise Gate In-Reply-To: <4e33ce57-58af-6c3a-ed78-6d9a30e15346@subich.com> References: <15C33F65-2B8F-4379-8558-CD5287142BF3@comcast.net> <36D0B29B-0DE1-431C-9D2D-0A83E1EE6E83@comcast.net> <4e33ce57-58af-6c3a-ed78-6d9a30e15346@subich.com> Message-ID: On 3/18/2018 7:43 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: > ased on the charts on his web page, Bob Heil knows *nothing* about the > structure of human voice (speech).? There is little or no usable energy > in speech below 200 Hz - even the lowest bass voices have little > *speech* energy that low. I strongly agree with both statements. > In addition, there is little to no energy > between 800 Hz and 1100 Hz (it is believed by scientists that voice > developed that way so humans could hear danger in the presence of > voices).? Only a soprano (female) or countertenor (male) will actually > have vocal energy when singing in the 800 - 1100 Hz range but neither > will have speech energy in that range. I don't know where you get your information about this, but it is WRONG. The last 30 years of my professional life centered on designing sound systems for speech intelligibility in challenging acoustic environments, and I've studied it with some of the best on the planet. Yes, the distribution of energy in speech varies across the speech range, but the speech range should have the flattest practical frequency response. The GOOD reason for a modest boost around 3 kHz is to partially compensate the rolloff of the SSB transmit filters. This has been good practice for at least 60 years, and boost EQ is built into some of the early popular ham mics, of which the Shure 444 is an example. The most critical octave bands for speech intelligibility are 1,000 Hz and 2,000 Hz. 500 Hz is next, followed by 4,000 Hz. I know of no serious practitioners who would recommend a mid-range dip except, perhaps, those in the broadcast "loudness wars." 73, Jim K9YC From joanpatrie at me.com Mon Mar 19 01:16:26 2018 From: joanpatrie at me.com (Joan) Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2018 22:16:26 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [OT?] Changing which hand you send with Message-ID: Yes, it is a lot easier if you invert the paddle to switch hands (making the two hands do a mirror of each other). Sending with your non-writing hand gives you the ambidextrous advantage FB de KX2CW ~joan Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra, said Piglet. Shaka, when the walls fell, said Pooh. > On Mar 18, 2018, at 17:56, Dave Cole (NK7Z) wrote: > > I have tried once, but it was difficult... However if you invert the paddle it gets a lot better! > > One other trick, send the same thing with both hands, it makes it easer to send lefty for me. > > 73s and thanks, > Dave > NK7Z > https://www.nk7z.net > >> On 03/18/2018 05:50 PM, kevinr wrote: >> Have any of you attempted changing dominant hands? My left hand has very few broken bones in it and rarely has the pain I have in my right one. How difficult would it be to learn to send with my non-dominant hand? I came very close to giving up CW a few years ago when I had nerve damage in my right arm. I have gotten marginally better since then but hate hurting peoples' ears with my sending. A friend of mine was able to learn to bow her cello left handed and went on to Juilliard. But I don't have anywhere near her skills. Any thoughts you may have for my dilemma? >> 73, >> Kevin. KD5ONS >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to dave at nk7z.net > From gliderboy1955 at yahoo.com Mon Mar 19 03:16:51 2018 From: gliderboy1955 at yahoo.com (eric norris) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2018 07:16:51 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] KAT1500 References: <1627617944.3041199.1521443811284.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1627617944.3041199.1521443811284@mail.yahoo.com> My KAT500 is the hub of my station.? I can switch one of numerous radios into it, it then selects the proper antenna and tuning solution with a single dit from non-Elecraft gear.? I can bring my KX2 into the living room in the comfort of my LazyBoy, and in the shack the KAT500 does the tuning and antenna switching remotely while I band hop with no extra cable.? Marvelous. I was very disappointed that the KPA1500 only has two antenna sockets. So, dear Elecraft, hear my plea:. Take all the good parts of the KAT500, perhaps add a 4th antenna position and multiple inputs that switch themselves automatically. Add the same tight integration with the KPA1500.? Is an internal 1500w/10sec dummy load? possible?? A port for an additional massive inductor for 437kHz?? Maybe a Kool-Aid dispenser?? What do folks think?? Am I the only one who would immediately?buy this product, gladly wait for months, and happily endure endless reflector posts about delayed shipping?? ? 73 Eric WD6DBM Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android From k9mx at verizon.net Mon Mar 19 07:01:24 2018 From: k9mx at verizon.net (k9mx) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2018 04:01:24 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] For Sale: K3 Weighted Main Tuning Knob In-Reply-To: <160e244282f-1b79-d9f3c@webjas-vaa027.srv.aolmail.net> References: <160e244282f-1b79-d9f3c@webjas-vaa027.srv.aolmail.net> Message-ID: <1521457284609-0.post@n2.nabble.com> Is the knob still for sale? Thanks. -- Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ From paul142857 at gmail.com Mon Mar 19 09:30:20 2018 From: paul142857 at gmail.com (Paul Huff) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2018 09:30:20 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Changing which hand you send with Message-ID: <939D4E1F-6161-4374-858D-EDDE92D04D88@gmail.com> Hi Kevin, A number of years ago I was experiencing some problems with my right hand and decided that I would try to relieve some of it?s stress by learning to work my paddles with my left hand. Before I describe my experience I should say that I am so dominantly right-handed that even seeing a baseball batter bat left-handed ?feels? awkward in my brain! I switched the keyer to ?reverse? so that dahs are activated by my left index finger and dits with my left thumb. I did this because I thought that there was a possibility that my thumb?s motion on the paddle might be a little bit smoother and faster than the somewhat sideways index finger motion. I don?t know if that is actually the case. I then practiced, practiced, practiced off the air. It took me a long time, but I eventually got the hang of it and was able to build up to a comfortable sending speed. For me that?s a maximum of about 25 wpm. I am now somewhat of a switch hitter with my CW. At home I always work my paddles as described above with my non-dominte left hand, often holding a pencil in my right. But I work a bug or straight key with my right hand. (I don?t use a bug very often but I do use a straight key a lot.) Oddly enough, I also sometimes work a paddle with my right hand because when I operate portable I usually hold my Palm mini-paddle in my left hand and work it with my right with the keyer in ?normal? mode. Switching hands and the keyer setting doesn?t seem to bother me at all in this situation. (I often do not have a table to place the paddle on when I am portable.) I haven?t worked a straight key with my left hand. Just before typing this email I tried a little left-handed straight key and it wasn?t very good. I guess that the coordination in my left finger muscles is a lot different from the wrist and forearm muscles that are used for a straight key. With practice I might be able to do it but that awkward left-handed batter feeling was very big in my brain! So the bottom line is that with enough practice you should be able to switch your sending. Good luck! 73, Paul - N8XMS NAQCC President NAQCC #0675 http://www.naqcc.info/ From wa4aip at gmail.com Mon Mar 19 09:43:45 2018 From: wa4aip at gmail.com (John Altman) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2018 08:43:45 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] For sale: P3-F. PANADAPTER Message-ID: <3BBBADF9-0E6E-48B8-A3E5-80CBA0B67DC0@gmail.com> FOR SALE ELECRAFT P3-F Panadapter $650.00 SHIPPED ... (New price $779.95 + shipping) Excellent operating and cosmetic condition! Have two units - this one is now surplus to my needs. ... Will ship with spiral bound manual and connecting cables. IF Cable E980170 Power Cable E850427 P3 to RJ45 Connector on K3S - Y Cable - Model E980296 .. Sold as is, no returns, due to scammers and parts swappers... Pay with PayPal + fees, bank check, or postal money order. .. Questions - pls email me direct -- WA4AIP at ARRL.NET .. Thanks, John WA4AIP ARRL Charter Life Member Sent from my iPad PRO From ve2fww at globetrotter.net Mon Mar 19 09:46:36 2018 From: ve2fww at globetrotter.net (NOEL POULIN) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2018 09:46:36 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] muting the kx3??? Message-ID: <42b42188-75c9-07fd-80f4-f642d1c05387@globetrotter.net> Hi, I need to mute the kx3.I kow I can use the COR(carrier operated relay) to detect and protect the kx3 receiver,, But I would like more than that... muting? the kx3 completely... My question is ....how to mute the kx3 without using the COR in the menu???? Thanks Noel From k9yeq at live.com Mon Mar 19 10:19:36 2018 From: k9yeq at live.com (Bill Johnson) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2018 14:19:36 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] [OT?] Changing which hand you send with In-Reply-To: References: <4312f38d-58bd-8455-6c42-3a54aca74633@coho.net> Message-ID: Hmmm, I will the other hand a try. As a 72 year old, might be good to add some dexterity for later in life. 73, Bill K9YEQ -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of Alan Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2018 9:10 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [OT?] Changing which hand you send with My first speed key was a left-handed bug, even though I am right-handed. (My college room mate WB2SEZ was a lefty and I used his bug.) To this day I can send with either a bug or an electronic keyer with either hand. I think it would be challenging, but certainly do-able, to learn to send with the opposing hand later in life. If you do that, be sure to swap the dot and dash leads on the key paddle. The dits should always be sent with the thumb and the dashes with the finger no matter which hand you're using. An alternative that I sometimes use as a temporary solution is to grab the key paddle from the other side, with the hand over they keying mechanism. Alan N1AL On 03/18/2018 05:50 PM, kevinr wrote: > Have any of you attempted changing dominant hands?? My left hand has > very few broken bones in it and rarely has the pain I have in my right > one.? How difficult would it be to learn to send with my non-dominant > hand?? I came very close to giving up CW a few years ago when I had > nerve damage in my right arm.? I have gotten marginally better since > then but hate hurting peoples' ears with my sending.? A friend of mine > was able to learn to bow her cello left handed and went on to > Juilliard.? But I don't have anywhere near her skills.? Any thoughts > you may have for my dilemma? > ?? 73, > ????? Kevin.? KD5ONS ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to k9yeq at live.com From pjalley at me.com Mon Mar 19 10:39:09 2018 From: pjalley at me.com (Philip Alley) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2018 10:39:09 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] No ALC Bars with WSJT-X and FD8 Message-ID: <24FFD0C4-B8C1-406E-AC00-F65FB6FE5FCE@me.com> I had finally got my KX3 and MaxcBook Pro set up to operate FT8. I even gave a demo presentation at our club meeting this past Friday. Yesterday I reassembled everything at my home shack and managed to log 8 FT8 contacts while familiarizing my self with the tutorials and software. After taking a break came back to the fun to find that I was not getting any ALC indication on my KX3. (Previously that had been fine and I had adjusted to the 4+ bars as so often recommended.) I have tried everything including switching sound cards (Signal Link to my Sabrent USB-C dongle) with the same result. Operating the radio in CW and SSB the bars show normally. I do notice that when I hit the WSJT-X ?Tune? button there is a brief burst of noise where the bars show but once the test tone comes one there are no bars. Same result when sending a CQ. I have cranked all levels way up (sound car output, WSJT-X ?Power? and KX3 MIC input) with no change. Also rebooted the Mac and reselected the sound in and out several times. I thought there might be some CAT interface dueling with MacLogger DX but I have made sure to keep the Logger from taking control of the rig. I have actually been able to complete a couple of QSOs with this condition so something is getting out but I have no way of properly adjusting levels If I can?t see the bars. Help! Please! Phil AA2EA Louisville KY From brian.waterworth at gmail.com Mon Mar 19 10:58:46 2018 From: brian.waterworth at gmail.com (Brian Waterworth) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2018 10:58:46 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] No ALC Bars with WSJT-X and FD8 In-Reply-To: <24FFD0C4-B8C1-406E-AC00-F65FB6FE5FCE@me.com> References: <24FFD0C4-B8C1-406E-AC00-F65FB6FE5FCE@me.com> Message-ID: Actually, sounds like your levels are too high now. When they are too high, the KX3 will behave as you have indicated. Back off all the levels. 1. KX3 Mic gain for me is typically around 11-12. 2. KX3 AF gain is around 6-7. 3. KX3 Preamp off - although still fussing if I want to turn it on - but then AF levels will all need to be reset. Doing find without it at my qth 4. Sound card (USB Soundblaster): input about 45% of max; Output about 30% of max. - But, that is for my sound card with my computer (Raspberry Pi 3b). 5. WSJT-X: Power output at two notches down from maximum - I have found this control can be a bit touchy to tune. Very carefully move it (up or down) until you see some action on the KX3 ALC after you have backed off all your audio levels. The increments can be very small on this power output slider on the right hand edge of WSJT-X. I assume you will use a dummy load and turn down your power for your testing. Even my dummy load can make JT or FT contacts close by. I usually turn the power down to 0.1W when testing on the KX3. I take it that you have PTT = Cat. I do too. The KX3 will happily key up with a PTT cat command even without audio drive. If there is not enough audio drive or too much audio drive, what you observe with the ALC indicator is what I have observed too. P.S. Consider setting up a KX3 macro to preset all levels on your KX3. If you accidentally nudge something, then you can reset to a known state with a press of one button. Use the KX3 Utility to set the macros. If you want a starter macro, let me know and I will send. regards, Brian VE3IBW On Mon, Mar 19, 2018 at 10:39 AM, Philip Alley wrote: > I had finally got my KX3 and MaxcBook Pro set up to operate FT8. I even > gave a demo presentation at our club meeting this past Friday. > > Yesterday I reassembled everything at my home shack and managed to log 8 > FT8 contacts while familiarizing my self with the tutorials and software. > After taking a break came back to the fun to find that I was not getting > any ALC indication on my KX3. (Previously that had been fine and I had > adjusted to the 4+ bars as so often recommended.) > > I have tried everything including switching sound cards (Signal Link to my > Sabrent USB-C dongle) with the same result. > > Operating the radio in CW and SSB the bars show normally. > > I do notice that when I hit the WSJT-X ?Tune? button there is a brief > burst of noise where the bars show but once the test tone comes one there > are no bars. Same result when sending a CQ. > > I have cranked all levels way up (sound car output, WSJT-X ?Power? and KX3 > MIC input) with no change. > > Also rebooted the Mac and reselected the sound in and out several times. > > I thought there might be some CAT interface dueling with MacLogger DX but > I have made sure to keep the Logger from taking control of the rig. > > I have actually been able to complete a couple of QSOs with this condition > so something is getting out but I have no way of properly adjusting levels > If I can?t see the bars. > > Help! Please! > > Phil > AA2EA > Louisville KY > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to brian.waterworth at gmail.com From edauer at law.du.edu Mon Mar 19 11:09:59 2018 From: edauer at law.du.edu (Dauer, Edward) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2018 15:09:59 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] DMM Recommendations -- Fluke 179? Message-ID: <7B601500-0BBD-4DF0-A347-B390DF806EF8@law.du.edu> My inexpensive DMM is becoming troublesome ? internal rotary switch contacts intermittent, requiring wriggling back and forth before it will give a reading on some ranges. And it has limited functions Some research suggested the Fluke 179. I would like to have autoranging, all the usual DMM functions, plus capacitance, diode testing, frequency, and temperature. Amazon sells it with an accessory kit (the Fluke 179/EDA2) for just under $300. That?s about four times what the less expensive brands go for. But on the theory that it?s better to buy the best first and cry only once, is the Fluke 179 worth the price? Ted, KN1CBR From k8mn at frontiernet.net Mon Mar 19 11:30:40 2018 From: k8mn at frontiernet.net (Dave Heil) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2018 15:30:40 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] DMM Recommendations -- Fluke 179? In-Reply-To: <7B601500-0BBD-4DF0-A347-B390DF806EF8@law.du.edu> References: <7B601500-0BBD-4DF0-A347-B390DF806EF8@law.du.edu> Message-ID: <279c8ce7-6f9a-1e30-e792-5ad05bb64467@frontiernet.net> In the past, I had Fluke and Beckman meters and, in my days in industrial electronic sales, I sold both of them. In recent years, I've become a fan of the Chinese-made copies at Harbor Freight.? They have the functions but not the price.? At $19.99, I was able to buy a couple of them--one for the shack and one for the barn.? You might give them a look before throwing money at the market leaders. 73, Dave K8MN On 19-Mar-18 15:09, Dauer, Edward wrote: > My inexpensive DMM is becoming troublesome ? internal rotary switch contacts intermittent, requiring wriggling back and forth before it will give a reading on some ranges. And it has limited functions > > Some research suggested the Fluke 179. I would like to have autoranging, all the usual DMM functions, plus capacitance, diode testing, frequency, and temperature. Amazon sells it with an accessory kit (the Fluke 179/EDA2) for just under $300. That?s about four times what the less expensive brands go for. But on the theory that it?s better to buy the best first and cry only once, is the Fluke 179 worth the price? > > Ted, KN1CBR > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k8mn at frontiernet.net --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. http://www.avg.com From pincon at erols.com Mon Mar 19 11:32:26 2018 From: pincon at erols.com (Charlie T) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2018 11:32:26 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] DMM Recommendations -- Fluke 179? In-Reply-To: <7B601500-0BBD-4DF0-A347-B390DF806EF8@law.du.edu> References: <7B601500-0BBD-4DF0-A347-B390DF806EF8@law.du.edu> Message-ID: <006501d3bf97$7ef88720$7ce99560$@erols.com> It should be a simple matter to pull it apart and clean the contacts with De-Oxit. That said, the auto ranging, hand-held digital Chicom meters on ebay for under $25 are decent. The non-auto-ranging types are under $10. Or, you can get a free one at Harbor Freight. I bought one of the HF top-of-the-line hand-held meters which measures everything you could ever want, temperature, sound pressure, light intensity, capacitors etc., for under $50 and beat the krapp out of it. It still works. The internal fuse has saved it on numerous "Oh shXX" happenings. I have a lab standard (traceable) meter calibrator for Voltage that is good to 3 decimal places past zero, and my fancy Fluke is no more accurate than these cheap throw-away's. MCM, now Newark, has the Tenma line that are also good meters. I also use a few of those, bench types on the test bench. 73, Charlie k3ICH -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of Dauer, Edward Sent: Monday, March 19, 2018 11:10 AM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] DMM Recommendations -- Fluke 179? My inexpensive DMM is becoming troublesome ? internal rotary switch contacts intermittent, requiring wriggling back and forth before it will give a reading on some ranges. And it has limited functions Some research suggested the Fluke 179. I would like to have autoranging, all the usual DMM functions, plus capacitance, diode testing, frequency, and temperature. Amazon sells it with an accessory kit (the Fluke 179/EDA2) for just under $300. That?s about four times what the less expensive brands go for. But on the theory that it?s better to buy the best first and cry only once, is the Fluke 179 worth the price? Ted, KN1CBR ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to pincon at erols.com From phystad at mac.com Mon Mar 19 12:03:07 2018 From: phystad at mac.com (Phil Hystad) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2018 09:03:07 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] DMM Recommendations -- Fluke 179? In-Reply-To: <7B601500-0BBD-4DF0-A347-B390DF806EF8@law.du.edu> References: <7B601500-0BBD-4DF0-A347-B390DF806EF8@law.du.edu> Message-ID: <0498154F-002B-4DE3-8D9B-08FB450698AD@mac.com> I own three DMMs and you can never have enough. Well, maybe you can. I use them because I am forever measuring multiple points in a circuit simultaneously. Not for ham radio but rather for hobby play with digital circuits. My Fluke 179 is clearly the best of the lot and the auto-ranging feature is very nice. Many other features though I have not used. I also own a Triplett 9007 which is my second best and a BK Survivor model 2860A. I also have a Fluke clamp style current meter which I have never used. Bought it at a charity auction with a $20 bid and I think most others didn't even know what it was. I also have a Triplett analog VOM and two other cheaper analog VOM type meters. If you want to spend money, clearly by the Fluke but apart from auto-ranging (and there are probably other meters with that capability) I don't think it is that much more useful then my Triplett or my BK which are cheaper but not dirt cheap. Amazon has the Triplett for under $60. 73, phil, K7PEH > On Mar 19, 2018, at 8:09 AM, Dauer, Edward wrote: > > > My inexpensive DMM is becoming troublesome ? internal rotary switch contacts intermittent, requiring wriggling back and forth before it will give a reading on some ranges. And it has limited functions > > Some research suggested the Fluke 179. I would like to have autoranging, all the usual DMM functions, plus capacitance, diode testing, frequency, and temperature. Amazon sells it with an accessory kit (the Fluke 179/EDA2) for just under $300. That?s about four times what the less expensive brands go for. But on the theory that it?s better to buy the best first and cry only once, is the Fluke 179 worth the price? > > Ted, KN1CBR > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to phystad at mac.com From dflem at yahoo.com Mon Mar 19 12:06:48 2018 From: dflem at yahoo.com (David Fleming) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2018 16:06:48 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] DMM Recommendations -- Fluke 179? In-Reply-To: <279c8ce7-6f9a-1e30-e792-5ad05bb64467@frontiernet.net> References: <7B601500-0BBD-4DF0-A347-B390DF806EF8@law.du.edu> <279c8ce7-6f9a-1e30-e792-5ad05bb64467@frontiernet.net> Message-ID: <392916304.3211420.1521475608501@mail.yahoo.com> +1 for the inexpensive offerings from Harbor Freight. I have several of these cheap knock offs. They?re certainly not professional grade instruments, but they are more than adequate for hobbiest level work. I use a small CEN-TECH model for quick voltage, resistance and current measurents. ?It works well and was actually FREE with a coupon. The readings are very close to my trusty, much more expensive,?Fluke 79.?? David, W4SMT On Monday, March 19, 2018, 11:33 AM, Dave Heil wrote: In the past, I had Fluke and Beckman meters and, in my days in industrial electronic sales, I sold both of them. In recent years, I've become a fan of the Chinese-made copies at Harbor Freight.? They have the functions but not the price.? At $19.99, I was able to buy a couple of them--one for the shack and one for the barn.? You might give them a look before throwing money at the market leaders. 73, Dave K8MN From johan at e-626.net Mon Mar 19 12:33:40 2018 From: johan at e-626.net (Johan Ymerson) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2018 17:33:40 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] DMM Recommendations -- Fluke 179? In-Reply-To: <392916304.3211420.1521475608501@mail.yahoo.com> References: <7B601500-0BBD-4DF0-A347-B390DF806EF8@law.du.edu> <279c8ce7-6f9a-1e30-e792-5ad05bb64467@frontiernet.net> <392916304.3211420.1521475608501@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1910982.JJAsnFjVPE@gantu> There are certainly some decent cheap DMM's out there, but also some terrible. I had one (CH-something) that was quite accurate when the batteries was new, but when the battery voltage got lower, it showed >25% too much. It apparently used the battery voltage as voltage reference... Combined with no low-battery indication it was quite useless. So if you need to trust the readings from the DMM, get one that has good reputation (doesn't need to be Fluke). 73 de Johan SM0XHJ On Monday, 19 March 2018 17:06:48 CET David Fleming via Elecraft wrote: > +1 for the inexpensive offerings from Harbor Freight. I have several of > these cheap knock offs. They?re certainly not professional grade > instruments, but they are more than adequate for hobbiest level work. I use > a small CEN-TECH model for quick voltage, resistance and current > measurents. It works well and was actually FREE with a coupon. The > readings are very close to my trusty, much more expensive, Fluke 79. > David, W4SMT > > On Monday, March 19, 2018, 11:33 AM, Dave Heil wrote: > > In the past, I had Fluke and Beckman meters and, in my days in > industrial electronic sales, I sold both of them. > > In recent years, I've become a fan of the Chinese-made copies at Harbor > Freight. They have the functions but not the price. At $19.99, I was > able to buy a couple of them--one for the shack and one for the barn. > You might give them a look before throwing money at the market leaders. > > 73, > > Dave K8MN > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to johan at e-626.net From ve2fww at globetrotter.net Mon Mar 19 09:48:30 2018 From: ve2fww at globetrotter.net (NOEL POULIN) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2018 09:48:30 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: muting the kx3??? In-Reply-To: <42b42188-75c9-07fd-80f4-f642d1c05387@globetrotter.net> References: <42b42188-75c9-07fd-80f4-f642d1c05387@globetrotter.net> Message-ID: -------- Message transf?r? -------- Sujet?: muting the kx3??? Date?: Mon, 19 Mar 2018 09:46:36 -0400 De?: NOEL POULIN Pour?: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net Hi, I need to mute the kx3.I kow I can use the COR(carrier operated relay) to detect and protect the kx3 receiver,, But I would like more than that... muting? the kx3 completely... My question is ....how to mute the kx3 without using the COR in the menu???? Thanks Noel From bw396ss at yahoo.com Mon Mar 19 12:46:57 2018 From: bw396ss at yahoo.com (Bill Wiehe) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2018 16:46:57 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] K3/K3S Beta Firmware Site. References: <1462596618.3248786.1521478017037.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1462596618.3248786.1521478017037@mail.yahoo.com> When trying to access the? K3/K3S beta firmware site?(ftp://ftp.elecraft.com/K3/firmware/beta).? I keep receiving the reply that "The site can't be reached."? Anyone know if? it is up an running??I have no blocks on my computer, in fact I tried to reach it on two different machines.? Thanks,Bill-W0BBI From lightdazzled at gmail.com Mon Mar 19 13:14:38 2018 From: lightdazzled at gmail.com (Chip Stratton) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2018 13:14:38 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] DMM Recommendations -- Fluke 179? In-Reply-To: <7B601500-0BBD-4DF0-A347-B390DF806EF8@law.du.edu> References: <7B601500-0BBD-4DF0-A347-B390DF806EF8@law.du.edu> Message-ID: For a good solid multimeter whose safety and features were spec'ed by Dave Jones of EEVBLOG fame, do a search on Amazon for EEVblog Brymen BM235 Multimeter That one will set you back $125, but it has just about all of what you need. For a bit less than $60, the UNI-T UT61E is a favorite. And for only about $20, look for the AN8008 or AN8009. They are sold under various names, and the two differ slightly in features, but for a compact, quicky DMM you won't be using on anything scarier than house wiring mains, they should fit the bill. You'll want to look carefully at all the features, but you won't go wrong with the BM235. I have a UT61E and an AN8008, and they offer good value. I have another Brymen meter similar to the BM235, and it is a very high quality unit. They OEM for Greenlee and others, BTW. If you are really picky about your features and specs, take a look at this: http://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/multimeter-spreadsheet/ 73 Chip Stratton AE5KA On Mon, Mar 19, 2018 at 11:09 AM, Dauer, Edward wrote: > > My inexpensive DMM is becoming troublesome ? internal rotary switch > contacts intermittent, requiring wriggling back and forth before it will > give a reading on some ranges. And it has limited functions > > Some research suggested the Fluke 179. I would like to have autoranging, > all the usual DMM functions, plus capacitance, diode testing, frequency, > and temperature. Amazon sells it with an accessory kit (the Fluke > 179/EDA2) for just under $300. That?s about four times what the less > expensive brands go for. But on the theory that it?s better to buy the > best first and cry only once, is the Fluke 179 worth the price? > > Ted, KN1CBR > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to lightdazzled at gmail.com From lightdazzled at gmail.com Mon Mar 19 13:18:56 2018 From: lightdazzled at gmail.com (Chip Stratton) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2018 13:18:56 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] DMM Recommendations -- Fluke 179? In-Reply-To: <7B601500-0BBD-4DF0-A347-B390DF806EF8@law.du.edu> References: <7B601500-0BBD-4DF0-A347-B390DF806EF8@law.du.edu> Message-ID: If looking for something more "name brand", the Greenlee DM-510A is made by Brymen. I have this and have been very happy with it. Also on Amazon. 73 Chip AE5KA On Mon, Mar 19, 2018 at 11:09 AM, Dauer, Edward wrote: > > My inexpensive DMM is becoming troublesome ? internal rotary switch > contacts intermittent, requiring wriggling back and forth before it will > give a reading on some ranges. And it has limited functions > > Some research suggested the Fluke 179. I would like to have autoranging, > all the usual DMM functions, plus capacitance, diode testing, frequency, > and temperature. Amazon sells it with an accessory kit (the Fluke > 179/EDA2) for just under $300. That?s about four times what the less > expensive brands go for. But on the theory that it?s better to buy the > best first and cry only once, is the Fluke 179 worth the price? > > Ted, KN1CBR > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to lightdazzled at gmail.com From donwilh at embarqmail.com Mon Mar 19 11:00:20 2018 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2018 11:00:20 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] No ALC Bars with WSJT-X and FD8 In-Reply-To: <24FFD0C4-B8C1-406E-AC00-F65FB6FE5FCE@me.com> References: <24FFD0C4-B8C1-406E-AC00-F65FB6FE5FCE@me.com> Message-ID: <12ed239c-a9a0-4a66-4b9c-42a8846285ef@embarqmail.com> Phil, Can you plug headphones or an audio amplifier (computer speakers) into the soundcard to see if you are really getting the transmit tones from it. If audio there, check your audio cable or use another known good one. In the KX3 turn the MIC Gain down to a low level and bring it up higher from there. Set the other audio level controls (soundcard and application) to mid-range. If you actually have a large audio signal into the KX3, the audio protection mechanism will kick in and shut down the audio. 73, Don W3FPR On 3/19/2018 10:39 AM, Philip Alley wrote: > I had finally got my KX3 and MaxcBook Pro set up to operate FT8. I even gave a demo presentation at our club meeting this past Friday. > > Yesterday I reassembled everything at my home shack and managed to log 8 FT8 contacts while familiarizing my self with the tutorials and software. After taking a break came back to the fun to find that I was not getting any ALC indication on my KX3. (Previously that had been fine and I had adjusted to the 4+ bars as so often recommended.) > > I have tried everything including switching sound cards (Signal Link to my Sabrent USB-C dongle) with the same result. > > Operating the radio in CW and SSB the bars show normally. > > I do notice that when I hit the WSJT-X ?Tune? button there is a brief burst of noise where the bars show but once the test tone comes one there are no bars. Same result when sending a CQ. > > I have cranked all levels way up (sound car output, WSJT-X ?Power? and KX3 MIC input) with no change. > > Also rebooted the Mac and reselected the sound in and out several times. > > I thought there might be some CAT interface dueling with MacLogger DX but I have made sure to keep the Logger from taking control of the rig. > > I have actually been able to complete a couple of QSOs with this condition so something is getting out but I have no way of properly adjusting levels If I can?t see the bars. > From eric.csuf at gmail.com Mon Mar 19 13:32:20 2018 From: eric.csuf at gmail.com (EricJ) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2018 10:32:20 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] DMM Recommendations -- Fluke 179? In-Reply-To: <392916304.3211420.1521475608501@mail.yahoo.com> References: <7B601500-0BBD-4DF0-A347-B390DF806EF8@law.du.edu> <279c8ce7-6f9a-1e30-e792-5ad05bb64467@frontiernet.net> <392916304.3211420.1521475608501@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I have HB's top-of-the line autoranger for less than $40 and the next one down which is not autoranging for less than $25. One for the electronic shop and one for the garage. I build a LOT of electronic stuff and find them completely adequate for hobby level work. I only use AC/DC volts, amps, milliamps and resistance. I don't use any of the other functions. I have better, specialized tools to take care of the rest. BTW, you have to CAREFULLY research Fluke features. They make so many different models with feature sets aimed at particular professions. There are some that look great for ham use, but when you dig into the features they don't even have a milliamp range! No matter what meter you use, I don't think you should ever go in for a measurement unless you have already estimated or calculated what you expect to see. A weird reading could be caused by a circuit problem, test equipment failure or a lack of understanding of the circuit operation. Making a stab at it on paper first, makes it a lot easier to eliminate two of those. Eric KE6US On 3/19/2018 9:06 AM, David Fleming via Elecraft wrote: > +1 for the inexpensive offerings from Harbor Freight. I have several of these cheap knock offs. They?re certainly not professional grade instruments, but they are more than adequate for hobbiest level work. I use a small CEN-TECH model for quick voltage, resistance and current measurents. ?It works well and was actually FREE with a coupon. The readings are very close to my trusty, much more expensive,?Fluke 79. > David, W4SMT > > On Monday, March 19, 2018, 11:33 AM, Dave Heil wrote: > > In the past, I had Fluke and Beckman meters and, in my days in > industrial electronic sales, I sold both of them. > > In recent years, I've become a fan of the Chinese-made copies at Harbor > Freight.? They have the functions but not the price.? At $19.99, I was > able to buy a couple of them--one for the shack and one for the barn. > You might give them a look before throwing money at the market leaders. > > 73, > > Dave K8MN > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to eric.csuf at gmail.com From gosimatteo at yahoo.com Mon Mar 19 13:16:24 2018 From: gosimatteo at yahoo.com (Matteo Gosi) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2018 17:16:24 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] K3/K3S Beta Firmware Site. In-Reply-To: <1462596618.3248786.1521478017037@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1462596618.3248786.1521478017037.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1462596618.3248786.1521478017037@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1137890022.3355571.1521479784251@mail.yahoo.com> Try ftp://ftp.elecraft.com/K3/beta/ Matt On Monday, March 19, 2018, 4:59:08 PM GMT, Bill Wiehe via Elecraft wrote: When trying to access the? K3/K3S beta firmware site?(ftp://ftp.elecraft.com/K3/firmware/beta).? I keep receiving the reply that "The site can't be reached."? Anyone know if? it is up an running??I have no blocks on my computer, in fact I tried to reach it on two different machines.? Thanks,Bill-W0BBI ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to gosimatteo at yahoo.com From hsherriff at reagan.com Mon Mar 19 13:49:04 2018 From: hsherriff at reagan.com (Harlan Sherriff) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2018 13:49:04 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] DMM Recommendations -- Fluke 179? In-Reply-To: <7B601500-0BBD-4DF0-A347-B390DF806EF8@law.du.edu> References: <7B601500-0BBD-4DF0-A347-B390DF806EF8@law.du.edu> Message-ID: <59F4F4F4-34C5-4732-B3C1-5E43C0AB7533@reagan.com> Ted As a 32 year metrology lab supervisor, we used MANY Fluke DMM models. I can?t speak highly enough of this manufacturer. Their actual accuracy is usually much better than the published specs. And are very rugged. I would have no reservations in purchasing one. Harlan K4HES Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 19, 2018, at 11:09 AM, Dauer, Edward wrote: > > > My inexpensive DMM is becoming troublesome ? internal rotary switch contacts intermittent, requiring wriggling back and forth before it will give a reading on some ranges. And it has limited functions > > Some research suggested the Fluke 179. I would like to have autoranging, all the usual DMM functions, plus capacitance, diode testing, frequency, and temperature. Amazon sells it with an accessory kit (the Fluke 179/EDA2) for just under $300. That?s about four times what the less expensive brands go for. But on the theory that it?s better to buy the best first and cry only once, is the Fluke 179 worth the price? > > Ted, KN1CBR > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to hsherriff at reagan.com From wglevy at gmail.com Mon Mar 19 14:09:00 2018 From: wglevy at gmail.com (William Levy) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2018 14:09:00 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] DMM recommendations Message-ID: A long time ago I was sitting with an old ham in his shack discussing purchasing a new SWR meter. I was going to buy some twenty buck job and he told me the following. "If you buy the 20 buck model, soon you will get the 30 buck and then the 40 buck and on and on until you finally buy the Bird. If you start with the Bird you won't need all those others. I took his advice and I bought the Bird. Buy the good stuff, as good as you can afford and stop worrying about the price or the deal. N2WL From wes_n7ws at triconet.org Mon Mar 19 14:09:06 2018 From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes Stewart) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2018 11:09:06 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] DMM Recommendations -- Fluke 179? In-Reply-To: <59F4F4F4-34C5-4732-B3C1-5E43C0AB7533@reagan.com> References: <7B601500-0BBD-4DF0-A347-B390DF806EF8@law.du.edu> <59F4F4F4-34C5-4732-B3C1-5E43C0AB7533@reagan.com> Message-ID: <7ed11e25-777a-53f9-8745-c9561b1c6b34@triconet.org> When I was in aerospace we used to say, "If it works, it's a Fluke." On 3/19/2018 10:49 AM, Harlan Sherriff via Elecraft wrote: > Ted > As a 32 year metrology lab supervisor, we used MANY Fluke DMM models. I can?t speak highly enough of this manufacturer. Their actual accuracy is usually much better than the published specs. And are very rugged. I would have no reservations in purchasing one. > > Harlan > K4HES > From lists at subich.com Mon Mar 19 14:27:18 2018 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2018 14:27:18 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] DMM Recommendations -- Fluke 179? In-Reply-To: <7B601500-0BBD-4DF0-A347-B390DF806EF8@law.du.edu> References: <7B601500-0BBD-4DF0-A347-B390DF806EF8@law.du.edu> Message-ID: <79bb1b95-3f83-1967-bad2-f8c42806e4cb@subich.com> > But on the theory that it?s better to buy the best first and cry only > once, is the Fluke 179 worth the price? I have a Fluke 85 that I got 30 years or more ago and have never had a moment's problem/regret. In that time, I replaced many "off brand" instruments that simply did not hold up for technicians in the shops I supervised. While I'm sure there may be other good products out there, unless the requirements call for some special feature not otherwise available, I would still stick with the Fluke. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 3/19/2018 11:09 AM, Dauer, Edward wrote: > > My inexpensive DMM is becoming troublesome ? internal rotary switch contacts intermittent, requiring wriggling back and forth before it will give a reading on some ranges. And it has limited functions > > Some research suggested the Fluke 179. I would like to have autoranging, all the usual DMM functions, plus capacitance, diode testing, frequency, and temperature. Amazon sells it with an accessory kit (the Fluke 179/EDA2) for just under $300. That?s about four times what the less expensive brands go for. But on the theory that it?s better to buy the best first and cry only once, is the Fluke 179 worth the price? > > Ted, KN1CBR > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to lists at subich.com > From alorona at sbcglobal.net Mon Mar 19 14:36:02 2018 From: alorona at sbcglobal.net (Al Lorona) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2018 18:36:02 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] DMM Recommendations -- Fluke 179? In-Reply-To: <79bb1b95-3f83-1967-bad2-f8c42806e4cb@subich.com> References: <7B601500-0BBD-4DF0-A347-B390DF806EF8@law.du.edu> <79bb1b95-3f83-1967-bad2-f8c42806e4cb@subich.com> Message-ID: <1844057599.3410416.1521484562193@mail.yahoo.com> If we are to be consistent and follow advice from countless (delighted) Elecraft owners on this list, any buyer of test equipment like the DMM in question is going to ensure that the company will be easy to contact and work with and stand behind its product when necessary. Yes, many times I've thrown away twenty dollars here and there on cheap stuff, but I'm getting mighty tired of doing so. Al W6LX From kengkopp at gmail.com Mon Mar 19 14:40:41 2018 From: kengkopp at gmail.com (Ken G Kopp) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2018 18:40:41 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] DMM recommendations In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Bill, As long as one keeps in mind that Bird's reputatiom for accuracy has become a thing of the past. There are many more current products that surpass them. Always bear in mind that their odd meters (30 uA) are very non-linear and measurements made using element ranges that fall in the bottom 1/3 or so of the scale are the most accurate. Overall, they claim to be accurate to +/- 20 percent of full scale. HORRIBLE in today's world! FWIW ... 73! K0PP On Mon, Mar 19, 2018, 12:09 William Levy wrote: > A long time ago I was sitting with an old ham in his shack discussing > purchasing a new SWR meter. > I was going to buy some twenty buck job and he told me the following. > > "If you buy the 20 buck model, soon you will get the 30 buck and then the > 40 buck and on and on until you finally buy the Bird. > If you start with the Bird you won't need all those others. > > I took his advice and I bought the Bird. > > Buy the good stuff, as good as you can afford and stop worrying about the > price or the deal. > > N2WL > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to kengkopp at gmail.com > From greenacres113 at charter.net Mon Mar 19 14:41:09 2018 From: greenacres113 at charter.net (greenacres113 at charter.net) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2018 13:41:09 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] CW sending Message-ID: I'm a Lefty. When I got my 1st electronic keyer & key I learned with the key set for a Righty. That was over 40 yr.s ago. It is very handy. When I share CW duties in contests or Field Day all that's needed is to move the key to the left or right side of the operating position. No re-wiring or set up. I receive better than I send but I can send clean CW at 30+ WPM. In life we Lefties have to overcome lots of things designed for Righties! You just adapt. K9IL From kg9hfrank at gmail.com Mon Mar 19 14:53:13 2018 From: kg9hfrank at gmail.com (Frank Krozel) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2018 13:53:13 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] CW sending In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2484CD9C-67C6-4B38-85FC-9EB0EB5B6758@gmail.com> I had rotator cuff and bicep surgery and did learn cw with my left hand. While not as proficient as my right it did get me by. I used the same ?assignments? as the right hand has. Worked out well. de KG9H > On Mar 19, 2018, at 1:41 PM, greenacres113 at charter.net wrote: > > > > I'm a Lefty. When I got my 1st electronic keyer & key I learned with > the key set for a Righty. That was over 40 yr.s ago. It is very handy. > When I share CW duties in contests or Field Day all that's needed is > to move the key to the left or right side of the operating position. > No re-wiring or set up. I receive better than I send but I can send > clean CW at 30+ WPM. > > In life we Lefties have to overcome lots of things designed for > Righties! You just adapt. > > K9IL > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to kg9hfrank at gmail.com From edauer at law.du.edu Mon Mar 19 15:10:24 2018 From: edauer at law.du.edu (Dauer, Edward) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2018 19:10:24 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] DMM Suggestions In-Reply-To: <4ip4k9tobpoid7pld77q6269.1521484279362@email.android.com> References: <4ip4k9tobpoid7pld77q6269.1521484279362@email.android.com> Message-ID: <9B6D408C-83C1-4713-B4A1-927F2E0B0E51@law.du.edu> Lots of helpful responses, as always from this group, including some possibilities I wasn't aware of. Many thanks to everyone who replied, on list and off. Ted, KN1CBR From kevin at ve3syb.ca Mon Mar 19 15:01:13 2018 From: kevin at ve3syb.ca (Kevin Cozens) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2018 15:01:13 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] CW sending In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 2018-03-19 02:41 PM, greenacres113 at charter.net wrote: > I'm a Lefty. When I got my 1st electronic keyer & key I learned with > the key set for a Righty. I've seen hams at a public display of ham radio just turn the paddles upside down if they are either left-handed or prefer the dot and dash paddle around the other way. -- Cheers! Kevin. http://www.ve3syb.ca/ | "Nerds make the shiny things that https://www.patreon.html/KevinCozens | distract the mouth-breathers, and | that's why we're powerful" Owner of Elecraft K2 #2172 | #include | --Chris Hardwick From c-hawley at illinois.edu Mon Mar 19 15:34:16 2018 From: c-hawley at illinois.edu (hawley, charles j jr) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2018 19:34:16 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] DMM Recommendations -- Fluke 179? In-Reply-To: <79bb1b95-3f83-1967-bad2-f8c42806e4cb@subich.com> References: <7B601500-0BBD-4DF0-A347-B390DF806EF8@law.du.edu>, <79bb1b95-3f83-1967-bad2-f8c42806e4cb@subich.com> Message-ID: <67D94C62-BDBC-430C-88FE-F038D8CC87D7@illinois.edu> I?ve been using a Fluke 87 that I bought at the Ft. Wayne hamfest about 20 years ago. The seller had dozens of them in a big pile. It was $100 which seemed like a lot for a used meter, condition somewhat unknown, but I?ve never regretted it. Chuck KE9UW c-hawley at illinois.edu Sent from my iPad > On Mar 19, 2018, at 1:27 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: > > >> But on the theory that it?s better to buy the best first and cry only >> once, is the Fluke 179 worth the price? > I have a Fluke 85 that I got 30 years or more ago and have never had a > moment's problem/regret. In that time, I replaced many "off brand" > instruments that simply did not hold up for technicians in the shops I > supervised. While I'm sure there may be other good products out there, > unless the requirements call for some special feature not otherwise > available, I would still stick with the Fluke. > > 73, > > ... Joe, W4TV > > >> On 3/19/2018 11:09 AM, Dauer, Edward wrote: >> My inexpensive DMM is becoming troublesome ? internal rotary switch contacts intermittent, requiring wriggling back and forth before it will give a reading on some ranges. And it has limited functions >> Some research suggested the Fluke 179. I would like to have autoranging, all the usual DMM functions, plus capacitance, diode testing, frequency, and temperature. Amazon sells it with an accessory kit (the Fluke 179/EDA2) for just under $300. That?s about four times what the less expensive brands go for. But on the theory that it?s better to buy the best first and cry only once, is the Fluke 179 worth the price? >> Ted, KN1CBR >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to lists at subich.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to c-hawley at illinois.edu From kl7uw at acsalaska.net Mon Mar 19 15:34:28 2018 From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2018 11:34:28 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] DMM Recommendations -- Fluke 179? Message-ID: <201803191934.w2JJYUeL011244@mail47c28.carrierzone.com> I bought a Fluke-73 in 1984 and the dang thing took a lot of hits and kept on working. In final years cracked case was held together with electric tape until one day it died. I used is as professional technician all those years and six years into retirement. So...I bought another Fluke (on Amazon) and it was shipped from China (instruction book in chinese). But the labels are all in english. Spent $109 got model 17B auto-ranging mv, V, ua, ma, A, ohms, diode test, continuity beeper, capacitance tester, AC and DC plus temperature with probe. Maz/min, Hold, Relative keys. Illuminated screen on/off. Came with rubber shock case. It will be in my will as it will probably outlast me. 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com Dubus-NA Business mail: dubususa at gmail.com From c-hawley at illinois.edu Mon Mar 19 15:39:49 2018 From: c-hawley at illinois.edu (hawley, charles j jr) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2018 19:39:49 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] DMM recommendations In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: Bird advertised and prints in the manual +/- 5% of full scale power. I remember some digital meters ARRL tested a few years back that did not do that well. Are your numbers something you experienced? Chuck KE9UW c-hawley at illinois.edu Sent from my iPad > On Mar 19, 2018, at 1:41 PM, Ken G Kopp wrote: > > Bill, > > As long as one keeps in mind that Bird's reputatiom for accuracy has become > a thing of the past. There are many more current products that surpass > them. > > Always bear in mind that their odd meters (30 uA) are very non-linear and > measurements made using element ranges that fall in the bottom 1/3 or so of > the scale are the most accurate. Overall, they claim to be accurate to +/- > 20 percent of full scale. HORRIBLE in > today's world! > > FWIW ... > > 73! > > K0PP > >> On Mon, Mar 19, 2018, 12:09 William Levy wrote: >> >> A long time ago I was sitting with an old ham in his shack discussing >> purchasing a new SWR meter. >> I was going to buy some twenty buck job and he told me the following. >> >> "If you buy the 20 buck model, soon you will get the 30 buck and then the >> 40 buck and on and on until you finally buy the Bird. >> If you start with the Bird you won't need all those others. >> >> I took his advice and I bought the Bird. >> >> Buy the good stuff, as good as you can afford and stop worrying about the >> price or the deal. >> >> N2WL >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to kengkopp at gmail.com >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to c-hawley at illinois.edu From wglevy at gmail.com Mon Mar 19 15:47:07 2018 From: wglevy at gmail.com (William Levy) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2018 15:47:07 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] DMM recommendations In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: My use is as to check forward or reverse, really that my antennas are working. If I am running 500 watts out I put in a 500 watt element. If I have a 1500 watt amp I put in 2500w element. 100 watts here or there at 1500 watts doesn't matter. That the antenna is OK *really does matter!* I have not found anything that even comes close. My delight over 50 years of hamming is that Model 43s and their panel mounted equivalents are found on Ebay and at Hamfests and surplus venues so I pretty much have one on any serious amp I have. Bill N2Wl On Mon, Mar 19, 2018 at 3:39 PM, hawley, charles j jr wrote: > Bird advertised and prints in the manual +/- 5% of full scale power. I > remember some digital meters ARRL tested a few years back that did not do > that well. Are your numbers something you experienced? > > Chuck KE9UW > c-hawley at illinois.edu > > Sent from my iPad > > > On Mar 19, 2018, at 1:41 PM, Ken G Kopp wrote: > > > > Bill, > > > > As long as one keeps in mind that Bird's reputatiom for accuracy has > become > > a thing of the past. There are many more current products that surpass > > them. > > > > Always bear in mind that their odd meters (30 uA) are very non-linear and > > measurements made using element ranges that fall in the bottom 1/3 or so > of > > the scale are the most accurate. Overall, they claim to be accurate to > +/- > > 20 percent of full scale. HORRIBLE in > > today's world! > > > > FWIW ... > > > > 73! > > > > K0PP > > > >> On Mon, Mar 19, 2018, 12:09 William Levy wrote: > >> > >> A long time ago I was sitting with an old ham in his shack discussing > >> purchasing a new SWR meter. > >> I was going to buy some twenty buck job and he told me the following. > >> > >> "If you buy the 20 buck model, soon you will get the 30 buck and then > the > >> 40 buck and on and on until you finally buy the Bird. > >> If you start with the Bird you won't need all those others. > >> > >> I took his advice and I bought the Bird. > >> > >> Buy the good stuff, as good as you can afford and stop worrying about > the > >> price or the deal. > >> > >> N2WL > >> ______________________________________________________________ > >> Elecraft mailing list > >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >> > >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > >> Message delivered to kengkopp at gmail.com > >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to c-hawley at illinois.edu > From k6dgw at foothill.net Mon Mar 19 15:48:04 2018 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2018 12:48:04 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [OT?] Changing which hand you send with In-Reply-To: <6aa0fb52-a9ad-d969-08e6-c8706a64ebe6@coho.net> References: <4312f38d-58bd-8455-6c42-3a54aca74633@coho.net> <1689a27e-1bfa-d5f2-d72c-141de497a718@nk7z.net> <3a6f5826-8f32-3421-ae38-8de7bc157b91@foothill.net> <6aa0fb52-a9ad-d969-08e6-c8706a64ebe6@coho.net> Message-ID: <9f306adf-5472-4e9b-28a6-26f313e6280f@foothill.net> It's not a binary thing.? While nearly everyone identifies one side as dominant, and that's usually the right side, it's more like a continuum.? When our kids were in Little League [and Dad got roped into coaching], it was fairly common for a right-handed kid to be unable to hit the ball. Getting him to bat left often resulted in a lot of foul balls and an increasing number of hits. I think you'll find it goes well with some practice.? Not long ago, Andrea saw something on TV about why shoe laces come untied ... most people [who would mostly be right-handers] tie them in "granny" knots which any Boy Scout knows don't hold well.? Mine are in square knots and she wondered if it was because I'm left-handed.? Could be.? It could also be because that's the way my Grandma taught me to tie my shoes a lifetime ago. [:-) I use a Winkey3USB to key my K3, paddle on right.? Second paddle on left goes into the K3 paddle jack.? If you did something like that, you could always revert to right-handed paddling if you got confused on the left during ECN. 73, Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW Sparks NV DM09dn Washoe County On 3/18/2018 7:06 PM, kevinr wrote: > Hey Fred, > ??? I know of one guitarist who was pretty good playing backward > guitar.? He was from Seattle and known as Jimi.? Regular guitar tuning > but backward because of the the northpaw conspiracy.? While I could > just barely throw a 90 mph fast ball (four seamer) right handed I > could never have thrown one left-handed.? However, it has been > mentioned I may be able to throw 20 wpm CW backwards. Hopefully I'll > learn your ambidextrous ways and keep ECN going for a few more years.? > Yes, baseball was my downfall.? Catching and pitching both took their > toll; but I had mountains of fun breaking those bones :)? And I NEVER > had a passed ball in my career. > ?? Thanks & 73, > ?????? Kevin. From donwilh at embarqmail.com Mon Mar 19 16:11:12 2018 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2018 16:11:12 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] DMM recommendations In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7b6e88f3-62dd-597e-1d53-65fdc702058c@embarqmail.com> Chuck, That is 5% of full scale with a recently calibrated slug. Another way to look at that percentage of full scale is to consider a 200 watt slug. The error can be as large as 10 watts *anywhere* on the scale. That is why I don't buy Bird wattmeters at hamfests unless it is cheap enough to send to a calibration lab. At least a digital wattmeter retains its accuracy as a percentage of the reading - a very different specification. Yes, +/- 20% is up to 40 watts error at 200 watts, at 10 watts, the error is only 2 watts. Many of the digital wattmeters like the Telepost LP100 can boast of 5% accuracy because they are calibrated with NIST tracable instruments. Elecraft does use the LP100 at many of the technician workbenches. 73, Don W3FPR On 3/19/2018 3:39 PM, hawley, charles j jr wrote: > Bird advertised and prints in the manual +/- 5% of full scale power. I remember some digital meters ARRL tested a few years back that did not do that well. Are your numbers something you experienced? > From k4ar at comcast.net Mon Mar 19 16:14:31 2018 From: k4ar at comcast.net (Bert Rollen) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2018 20:14:31 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] DMM recommendations In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I wish I could find a used / working 5H, or if they ever made one... a 2.5H for my QRP stuff. (I think I am up to 5 model 43s plus a few panel mounts..... I suppose I got some sort of addiction) Bert - K4AR -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of William Levy Sent: Monday, March 19, 2018 3:47 PM To: hawley, charles j jr Cc: Elecraft Subject: Re: [Elecraft] DMM recommendations My use is as to check forward or reverse, really that my antennas are working. If I am running 500 watts out I put in a 500 watt element. If I have a 1500 watt amp I put in 2500w element. 100 watts here or there at 1500 watts doesn't matter. That the antenna is OK *really does matter!* I have not found anything that even comes close. My delight over 50 years of hamming is that Model 43s and their panel mounted equivalents are found on Ebay and at Hamfests and surplus venues so I pretty much have one on any serious amp I have. Bill N2Wl On Mon, Mar 19, 2018 at 3:39 PM, hawley, charles j jr wrote: > Bird advertised and prints in the manual +/- 5% of full scale power. I > remember some digital meters ARRL tested a few years back that did not > do that well. Are your numbers something you experienced? > > Chuck KE9UW > c-hawley at illinois.edu > > Sent from my iPad > > > On Mar 19, 2018, at 1:41 PM, Ken G Kopp wrote: > > > > Bill, > > > > As long as one keeps in mind that Bird's reputatiom for accuracy has > become > > a thing of the past. There are many more current products that > > surpass them. > > > > Always bear in mind that their odd meters (30 uA) are very > > non-linear and measurements made using element ranges that fall in > > the bottom 1/3 or so > of > > the scale are the most accurate. Overall, they claim to be accurate > > to > +/- > > 20 percent of full scale. HORRIBLE in today's world! > > > > FWIW ... > > > > 73! > > > > K0PP > > > >> On Mon, Mar 19, 2018, 12:09 William Levy wrote: > >> > >> A long time ago I was sitting with an old ham in his shack > >> discussing purchasing a new SWR meter. > >> I was going to buy some twenty buck job and he told me the following. > >> > >> "If you buy the 20 buck model, soon you will get the 30 buck and > >> then > the > >> 40 buck and on and on until you finally buy the Bird. > >> If you start with the Bird you won't need all those others. > >> > >> I took his advice and I bought the Bird. > >> > >> Buy the good stuff, as good as you can afford and stop worrying > >> about > the > >> price or the deal. > >> > >> N2WL > >> ______________________________________________________________ > >> Elecraft mailing list > >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >> > >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this > >> email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > >> kengkopp at gmail.com > >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this > > email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > > c-hawley at illinois.edu > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to k4ar at comcast.net From pincon at erols.com Mon Mar 19 16:20:38 2018 From: pincon at erols.com (Charlie T) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2018 16:20:38 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] DMM Recommendations -- Fluke 179? In-Reply-To: <7ed11e25-777a-53f9-8745-c9561b1c6b34@triconet.org> References: <7B601500-0BBD-4DF0-A347-B390DF806EF8@law.du.edu> <59F4F4F4-34C5-4732-B3C1-5E43C0AB7533@reagan.com> <7ed11e25-777a-53f9-8745-c9561b1c6b34@triconet.org> Message-ID: <002c01d3bfbf$c2ba14b0$482e3e10$@erols.com> I know, lets start a thread about whether test leads should be red (+) and black (-), or black (hot) and white (neutral) or maybe combine it all to Euro standards of wiring with a Blue & Brown leads?. THAT should keep everyone busy at least till next Christmas, or as long as another "which mike is best?" question would. 73, Charlie k3ICH From alorona at sbcglobal.net Mon Mar 19 16:22:56 2018 From: alorona at sbcglobal.net (Al Lorona) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2018 20:22:56 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] [OT] Measurement of Power In-Reply-To: <7b6e88f3-62dd-597e-1d53-65fdc702058c@embarqmail.com> References: <7b6e88f3-62dd-597e-1d53-65fdc702058c@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <190369385.3484620.1521490976413@mail.yahoo.com> I re-named the thread as a courtesy to the members who don't want to read this. We're getting caught in a mathematical war between the linear and logarithmic worlds. ? 20% in Watts, is about ? 1 dB in log. 1 dB accuracy is plenty good enough for us, folks. Especially given that any impedance mismatch is a source of error that we typically can't eliminate. In addition, I have found that Bird is very conservative and typically beats this spec by a lot. And by the way, I thought the Bird spec was 5% of full scale. Where did 20% come from? Don't all rush out to sell your Birds. They're perfectly fine. Al W6LX From bw396ss at yahoo.com Mon Mar 19 16:43:40 2018 From: bw396ss at yahoo.com (Bill Wiehe) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2018 20:43:40 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] Question on K3/K3S Beta Access. References: <1698777739.3423077.1521492220363.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1698777739.3423077.1521492220363@mail.yahoo.com> When trying to access the? K3/K3S beta firmware site?(ftp://ftp.elecraft.com/K3/firmware/beta).? I keep receiving the reply that "The site can't be reached."? Anyone know if? it is up an running??I have no blocks on my computer, in fact I tried to reach it on two different machines.? Thanks,Bill-W0BBI From kengkopp at gmail.com Mon Mar 19 16:50:30 2018 From: kengkopp at gmail.com (Ken G Kopp) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2018 14:50:30 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: The bogus "20% of full scale figure" Message-ID: Came from me. I apologize for my feeble old mind. Shudda looked at the several Bird manuals around here. Like many of us old timers I have several different Bird setups. As someone else mentioned, there are many versions that show up in the various hamfest and e-Bay venues. Never rely on a used element ... being round they've almost certain to have rolled and bounced of the floor. They're easily damaged. I have several double line-section castings that I use in my station to simultaneously monitor both forward and reflected power at the same. At one time I had close ties to the FBI's western US operations and their stations -always- had double meters with dual-element castings on separate panels Still, the Bird product line has a number of "gotcha's" lurking to catch the unwary. My case has a dedicated 50 ohm length of line that is a measured length that's calculated to include the length that includes the length within the casting ... at 147.00 MHz where most of my measurements are taken. All of mine are fitted with "N" connectors, etc. Enough, already ... I apologize for the 20% error figure ... It was unintentional. (:-(( 73! K0PP From lists at subich.com Mon Mar 19 16:59:52 2018 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2018 16:59:52 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] [OT] Measurement of Power In-Reply-To: <190369385.3484620.1521490976413@mail.yahoo.com> References: <7b6e88f3-62dd-597e-1d53-65fdc702058c@embarqmail.com> <190369385.3484620.1521490976413@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1d052fe2-0795-be78-d81e-ae54598fcaa1@subich.com> > And by the way, I thought the Bird spec was 5% of full scale. Where > did 20% come from? The Model 43 is 5% of full scale: I still have the Model 43 my wife gave me for Christmas 40 years ago, along with the ten elements (2 MHz - 2.5 GHz) and eight QC connectors of various types (UHF, N, BNC, LC) I've accumulated over the years even though I the microHAM SM?RF vector wattmeter has replaced my original Telepost LP-100(A) in day to day use. Although the "modern" digital meters are used in the shack, the Model 43 provided years of faithful service both in the shack and in the field and is still my "go to" unit outside the shack. Again, do it once and buy quality he first time. > ? 20% in Watts, is about ? 1 dB in log. 1 dB accuracy is plenty good > enough for us, ? 5% of full scale is ? 0.22 dB - far more accurate than needed for amateur and most commercial use (although SM?RF is NIST traceable and accurate to ? 0.04 dB or ~1.5%). 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 3/19/2018 4:22 PM, Al Lorona wrote: > I re-named the thread as a courtesy to the members who don't want to read this. > > We're getting caught in a mathematical war between the linear and logarithmic worlds. > > > ? 20% in Watts, is about ? 1 dB in log. 1 dB accuracy is plenty good enough for us, folks. Especially given that any impedance mismatch is a source of error that we typically can't eliminate. > > In addition, I have found that Bird is very conservative and typically beats this spec by a lot. And by the way, I thought the Bird spec was 5% of full scale. Where did 20% come from? > > Don't all rush out to sell your Birds. They're perfectly fine. > > > Al W6LX > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to lists at subich.com > From ghyoungman at gmail.com Mon Mar 19 17:08:08 2018 From: ghyoungman at gmail.com (GRANT YOUNGMAN) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2018 17:08:08 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Question on K3/K3S Beta Access. In-Reply-To: <1698777739.3423077.1521492220363@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1698777739.3423077.1521492220363.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1698777739.3423077.1521492220363@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: There is currently no ?beta? folder. Leave off the ?beta? from your link and it will work. > On Mar 19, 2018, at 4:43 PM, Bill Wiehe via Elecraft wrote: > > When trying to access the K3/K3S beta firmware site (ftp://ftp.elecraft.com/K3/firmware/beta). I keep receiving the reply that "The site can't be reached." Anyone know if it is up an running? I have no blocks on my computer, in fact I tried to reach it on two different machines. > Thanks,Bill-W0BBI Grant NQ5T K3 #2091, KX3 #8342 From c-hawley at illinois.edu Mon Mar 19 17:23:50 2018 From: c-hawley at illinois.edu (hawley, charles j jr) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2018 21:23:50 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] DMM Recommendations -- Fluke 179? In-Reply-To: <279c8ce7-6f9a-1e30-e792-5ad05bb64467@frontiernet.net> References: <7B601500-0BBD-4DF0-A347-B390DF806EF8@law.du.edu>, <279c8ce7-6f9a-1e30-e792-5ad05bb64467@frontiernet.net> Message-ID: <276D3D6C9D5C8C4484211E9839FDE1AB49E4D521@CITESMBX5.ad.uillinois.edu> True RMS for $19.95? Chuck Hawley c-hawley at illinois.edu Amateur Radio, KE9UW aka Jack, BMW Motorcycles ________________________________________ From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] on behalf of Dave Heil [k8mn at frontiernet.net] Sent: Monday, March 19, 2018 10:30 AM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] DMM Recommendations -- Fluke 179? In the past, I had Fluke and Beckman meters and, in my days in industrial electronic sales, I sold both of them. In recent years, I've become a fan of the Chinese-made copies at Harbor Freight. They have the functions but not the price. At $19.99, I was able to buy a couple of them--one for the shack and one for the barn. You might give them a look before throwing money at the market leaders. 73, Dave K8MN On 19-Mar-18 15:09, Dauer, Edward wrote: > My inexpensive DMM is becoming troublesome ? internal rotary switch contacts intermittent, requiring wriggling back and forth before it will give a reading on some ranges. And it has limited functions > > Some research suggested the Fluke 179. I would like to have autoranging, all the usual DMM functions, plus capacitance, diode testing, frequency, and temperature. Amazon sells it with an accessory kit (the Fluke 179/EDA2) for just under $300. That?s about four times what the less expensive brands go for. But on the theory that it?s better to buy the best first and cry only once, is the Fluke 179 worth the price? > > Ted, KN1CBR > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k8mn at frontiernet.net --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. http://www.avg.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to c-hawley at illinois.edu From c-hawley at illinois.edu Mon Mar 19 17:25:43 2018 From: c-hawley at illinois.edu (hawley, charles j jr) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2018 21:25:43 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Question on K3/K3S Beta Access. In-Reply-To: <1698777739.3423077.1521492220363@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1698777739.3423077.1521492220363.ref@mail.yahoo.com>, <1698777739.3423077.1521492220363@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <276D3D6C9D5C8C4484211E9839FDE1AB49E4D598@CITESMBX5.ad.uillinois.edu> Try this... ftp://ftp.elecraft.com/K3/beta/ Chuck Hawley c-hawley at illinois.edu Amateur Radio, KE9UW aka Jack, BMW Motorcycles ________________________________________ From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] on behalf of Bill Wiehe via Elecraft [elecraft at mailman.qth.net] Sent: Monday, March 19, 2018 3:43 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] Question on K3/K3S Beta Access. When trying to access the K3/K3S beta firmware site (ftp://ftp.elecraft.com/K3/firmware/beta). I keep receiving the reply that "The site can't be reached."? Anyone know if it is up an running? I have no blocks on my computer, in fact I tried to reach it on two different machines. Thanks,Bill-W0BBI ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to c-hawley at illinois.edu From k2asp at kanafi.org Mon Mar 19 17:53:01 2018 From: k2asp at kanafi.org (Phil Kane) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2018 14:53:01 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: Re: [OT?] Changing which hand you send with In-Reply-To: <265415b0-a98a-c0a6-6b74-0ce7399fa4c6@kanafi.org> References: <265415b0-a98a-c0a6-6b74-0ce7399fa4c6@kanafi.org> Message-ID: <148d2ade-be6e-ef0e-1beb-6d66ab662e5c@kanafi.org> On 3/18/2018 5:50 PM, kevinr wrote: > Have any of you attempted changing dominant hands?? My left hand has > very few broken bones in it and rarely has the pain I have in my right > one.? How difficult would it be to learn to send with my non-dominant > hand?? I came very close to giving up CW a few years ago when I had > nerve damage in my right arm.? I have gotten marginally better since > then but hate hurting peoples' ears with my sending.? A friend of mine > was able to learn to bow her cello left handed and went on to > Juilliard.? But I don't have anywhere near her skills.? Any thoughts you > may have for my dilemma? I tried to do it (12 years ago) but did not succeed. My Morse skills are bad enough without trying to make them any worse. My straight-key sending is not too bad if I go slowly enough, but my receiving skills have deteriorated markedly. Left-handed bowing? Hmm... In HS my daughter who is left-hand-dominant tried to learn the viola with right-hand bowing. She gave it up. She is a "leftie" by heredity - my mom, my youngest brother, and mom's three grand-daughters were all lefties. Mom was forced to function as a rightie in school back when (early in the 20th century) but did some things left-handed. Watching her I learned to eat Euro-style (fork in left hand). 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane Elecraft K2/100 s/n 5402 >From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon From lightdazzled at gmail.com Mon Mar 19 18:17:44 2018 From: lightdazzled at gmail.com (Chip Stratton) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2018 18:17:44 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] DMM Recommendations -- Fluke 179? In-Reply-To: <276D3D6C9D5C8C4484211E9839FDE1AB49E4D521@CITESMBX5.ad.uillinois.edu> References: <7B601500-0BBD-4DF0-A347-B390DF806EF8@law.du.edu> <279c8ce7-6f9a-1e30-e792-5ad05bb64467@frontiernet.net> <276D3D6C9D5C8C4484211E9839FDE1AB49E4D521@CITESMBX5.ad.uillinois.edu> Message-ID: True RMS for a $20 on Amazon multimeter. Review here: https://youtu.be/xdGQEVdxmQQ Chip AE5KA On Mon, Mar 19, 2018 at 5:23 PM, hawley, charles j jr wrote: > True RMS for $19.95? > > Chuck Hawley > c-hawley at illinois.edu > > Amateur Radio, KE9UW > aka Jack, BMW Motorcycles > ________________________________________ > From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] > on behalf of Dave Heil [k8mn at frontiernet.net] > Sent: Monday, March 19, 2018 10:30 AM > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] DMM Recommendations -- Fluke 179? > > In the past, I had Fluke and Beckman meters and, in my days in > industrial electronic sales, I sold both of them. > > In recent years, I've become a fan of the Chinese-made copies at Harbor > Freight. They have the functions but not the price. At $19.99, I was > able to buy a couple of them--one for the shack and one for the barn. > You might give them a look before throwing money at the market leaders. > > 73, > > Dave K8MN > > > On 19-Mar-18 15:09, Dauer, Edward wrote: > > My inexpensive DMM is becoming troublesome ? internal rotary switch > contacts intermittent, requiring wriggling back and forth before it will > give a reading on some ranges. And it has limited functions > > > > Some research suggested the Fluke 179. I would like to have > autoranging, all the usual DMM functions, plus capacitance, diode testing, > frequency, and temperature. Amazon sells it with an accessory kit (the > Fluke 179/EDA2) for just under $300. That?s about four times what the less > expensive brands go for. But on the theory that it?s better to buy the > best first and cry only once, is the Fluke 179 worth the price? > > > > Ted, KN1CBR > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to k8mn at frontiernet.net > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. > http://www.avg.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to c-hawley at illinois.edu > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to lightdazzled at gmail.com > From k9yeq at live.com Mon Mar 19 18:22:11 2018 From: k9yeq at live.com (Bill Johnson) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2018 22:22:11 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] CW sending In-Reply-To: <2484CD9C-67C6-4B38-85FC-9EB0EB5B6758@gmail.com> References: <2484CD9C-67C6-4B38-85FC-9EB0EB5B6758@gmail.com> Message-ID: I have not had surgery but lots of rehab. I am planning on using a Macro on the K-POD to switch and use two different keys for right and left hand. Has anyone written a macro to do this? If not I will do my own. 73, Bill K9YEQ -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of Frank Krozel Sent: Monday, March 19, 2018 1:53 PM To: greenacres113 at charter.net Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] CW sending I had rotator cuff and bicep surgery and did learn cw with my left hand. While not as proficient as my right it did get me by. I used the same ?assignments? as the right hand has. Worked out well. de KG9H > On Mar 19, 2018, at 1:41 PM, greenacres113 at charter.net wrote: > > > > I'm a Lefty. When I got my 1st electronic keyer & key I learned with > the key set for a Righty. That was over 40 yr.s ago. It is very handy. > When I share CW duties in contests or Field Day all that's needed is > to move the key to the left or right side of the operating position. > No re-wiring or set up. I receive better than I send but I can send > clean CW at 30+ WPM. > > In life we Lefties have to overcome lots of things designed for > Righties! You just adapt. > > K9IL > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > kg9hfrank at gmail.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to k9yeq at live.com From k9yeq at live.com Mon Mar 19 18:24:47 2018 From: k9yeq at live.com (Bill Johnson) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2018 22:24:47 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] CW sending Using two keys Macro to switch mode for right and left? Message-ID: Changed topic!!!! I have not had surgery but lots of rehab. I am planning on using a Macro on the K-POD to switch and use two different keys for right and left hand. Has anyone written a macro to do this? If not I will do my own. 73, Bill K9YEQ -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of Frank Krozel Sent: Monday, March 19, 2018 1:53 PM To: greenacres113 at charter.net Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] CW sending I had rotator cuff and bicep surgery and did learn cw with my left hand. While not as proficient as my right it did get me by. I used the same ?assignments? as the right hand has. Worked out well. de KG9H > On Mar 19, 2018, at 1:41 PM, greenacres113 at charter.net wrote: > > > > I'm a Lefty. When I got my 1st electronic keyer & key I learned with > the key set for a Righty. That was over 40 yr.s ago. It is very handy. > When I share CW duties in contests or Field Day all that's needed is > to move the key to the left or right side of the operating position. > No re-wiring or set up. I receive better than I send but I can send > clean CW at 30+ WPM. > > In life we Lefties have to overcome lots of things designed for > Righties! You just adapt. > > K9IL > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > kg9hfrank at gmail.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to k9yeq at live.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to k9yeq at live.com From joe at k2uf.com Mon Mar 19 18:35:35 2018 From: joe at k2uf.com (Joe K2UF) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2018 18:35:35 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] CW sending Using two keys Macro to switch mode for right and left? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I just put a mini DPDT switch on the base of my Bencher paddle. Now I can switch between left/right hand keying easy peasy nice and easy. -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Bill Johnson Sent: Monday, March 19, 2018 6:25 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] CW sending Using two keys Macro to switch mode for right and left? Changed topic!!!! I have not had surgery but lots of rehab. I am planning on using a Macro on the K-POD to switch and use two different keys for right and left hand. Has anyone written a macro to do this? If not I will do my own. 73, Bill K9YEQ -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of Frank Krozel Sent: Monday, March 19, 2018 1:53 PM To: greenacres113 at charter.net Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] CW sending I had rotator cuff and bicep surgery and did learn cw with my left hand. While not as proficient as my right it did get me by. I used the same "assignments" as the right hand has. Worked out well. de KG9H > On Mar 19, 2018, at 1:41 PM, greenacres113 at charter.net wrote: > > > > I'm a Lefty. When I got my 1st electronic keyer & key I learned with > the key set for a Righty. That was over 40 yr.s ago. It is very handy. > When I share CW duties in contests or Field Day all that's needed is > to move the key to the left or right side of the operating position. > No re-wiring or set up. I receive better than I send but I can send > clean CW at 30+ WPM. > > In life we Lefties have to overcome lots of things designed for > Righties! You just adapt. > > K9IL > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > kg9hfrank at gmail.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to k9yeq at live.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to k9yeq at live.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to joe at k2uf.com --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. http://www.avg.com From pete.walton at talk21.com Mon Mar 19 18:41:57 2018 From: pete.walton at talk21.com (MW0RSS) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2018 15:41:57 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] XV144 shutdown Message-ID: <1521499317216-0.post@n2.nabble.com> Hi all I have a used XV144 that loses power after a short time. I have tried it with my K2 (using the KIO2) and also a couple of different QRP rigs, driving it directly with a few watts. I have arranged jumpers accordingly, depending on how the XV144 is being driven. It completely loses power after a random amount of time. The power loss seems unrelated to how much power the unit is delivering (the XV144 loses power just the same, whether it?s giving 5W or 20W output). It doesn?t seem to be a heat problem. Any suggestions would be welcome. Pete MW0RSS -- Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ From bobdehaney at gmx.net Mon Mar 19 18:46:06 2018 From: bobdehaney at gmx.net (Bob DeHaney) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2018 23:46:06 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] DMM Message-ID: <001901d3bfd4$117c09f0$34741dd0$@gmx.net> There are a lot of used Flukes on EBay, maybe not the latest model, but for us perfect. That's where I bought mine, the price is right too. VY 73 de Bob DJ0RD/WU5T --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From dpbunte at gmail.com Mon Mar 19 18:52:09 2018 From: dpbunte at gmail.com (David Bunte) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2018 18:52:09 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] CW sending Using two keys Macro to switch mode for right and left? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Bill - I have never tried t send with my non-dominant hand, but I do have two paddles. They are plugged into my DIGI KEYER II through a stereo 'Y' cable. I have not tried this, but it seems to me that you could do that and wire the paddles so that one was 'right handed' and the other was 'left handed'. If that won't work, I apologize, but I think it will, and then all you need to do when switching hands is to just start sending with the other hand... no macros, switches, or changing the position of the paddle on the desk. Dave - K9FN On Mon, Mar 19, 2018 at 6:24 PM, Bill Johnson wrote: > Changed topic!!!! > I have not had surgery but lots of rehab. I am planning on using a Macro > on the K-POD to switch and use two different keys for right and left hand. > Has anyone written a macro to do this? If not I will do my own. > > 73, > Bill > K9YEQ > > -----Original Message----- > From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net > On Behalf Of Frank Krozel > Sent: Monday, March 19, 2018 1:53 PM > To: greenacres113 at charter.net > Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] CW sending > > I had rotator cuff and bicep surgery and did learn cw with my left hand. > While not as proficient as my right it did get me by. I used the same > ?assignments? as the right hand has. > Worked out well. > de KG9H > > > > On Mar 19, 2018, at 1:41 PM, greenacres113 at charter.net wrote: > > > > > > > > I'm a Lefty. When I got my 1st electronic keyer & key I learned > with > > the key set for a Righty. That was over 40 yr.s ago. It is very handy. > > When I share CW duties in contests or Field Day all that's needed is > > to move the key to the left or right side of the operating position. > > No re-wiring or set up. I receive better than I send but I can send > > clean CW at 30+ WPM. > > > > In life we Lefties have to overcome lots of things designed for > > Righties! You just adapt. > > > > K9IL > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > > kg9hfrank at gmail.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k9yeq at live.com ______________________________ > ________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k9yeq at live.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dpbunte at gmail.com From ve2fww at globetrotter.net Mon Mar 19 19:12:04 2018 From: ve2fww at globetrotter.net (NOEL POULIN) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2018 19:12:04 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 AND FSK Message-ID: Hello, I was reading the KX3 manual, and I? do not see how to hook an FSK interface to the KX3,. I want to use it in RTTY (FSK) and I am looking where should I connect the interface. I do not want t o use a cw keyer to for rtty.... Thanks Noel From donwilh at embarqmail.com Mon Mar 19 19:42:11 2018 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2018 19:42:11 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] CW sending Using two keys Macro to switch mode for right and left? In-Reply-To: <20180319223709.B506B149B2CC@mailman.qth.net> References: <20180319223709.B506B149B2CC@mailman.qth.net> Message-ID: <818a173a-1c0f-37ce-c688-9a37f5462912@embarqmail.com> Joe, That works, but for those who do not want to wire the DPDT switch, there is a menu setting to do the same thing. 73, Don W3FPR On 3/19/2018 6:35 PM, Joe K2UF wrote: > I just put a mini DPDT switch on the base of my Bencher paddle. Now I can > switch between left/right hand keying easy peasy nice and easy. From brian.waterworth at gmail.com Mon Mar 19 19:46:56 2018 From: brian.waterworth at gmail.com (Brian Waterworth) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2018 19:46:56 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] No ALC Bars with WSJT-X and FD8 In-Reply-To: References: <24FFD0C4-B8C1-406E-AC00-F65FB6FE5FCE@me.com> Message-ID: I had requests from a few hams looking for my macros I have assigned to the KX3's PF1 and PF2 buttons. Note: I used to toggle as well so I could have four macros assigned between the two PF buttons. But I landed onr just two at this time. Consequently I removed the toggle. Here is my macro for *Digital* Operations (FT8 being the dominant mode I use lately): GT002;MG013;AG007;ML007;MD6;DT0;RG250;PA0;PC005;MN128;MP001;MN135;MP000;MN255;BW9999;SWH29; Here is what it all means: - AGC Time Constant (Fast) = GT002; - Mic Gain (12) = MG012; - AF Gain (7) = AG007; - Monitor Level (7) = ML007; - Mode (Data - USB is default) = MD6; - Data Sub-Mode (Data A) = DT0; [has to be after MD6 and then it will work] - RF Gain (max) = RG250; - Pre-amp off = PA0; - Power output (5W) = PC005; - AGC Mode On = MN128;MP001; - Mic Bias off = MN135;MP000; - Menu Exit = MN255; - Bandwidth = BW9999; [important to place this one after the band and mode have been selected] - [Optional] VOX on = SWH29; [this is a toggle. You may have to hit the VOX switch again or run the macro again.] Here is what I use to go back to *SSB*: SWH29;MD2;BW0300;GT004;MG045;AG010;ML000;PC010;MN128;MP001;MN129;MP000;MN135;MP016;MN255; Here is what it means: - [Optional] VOX toggle = SWH29; [this is a toggle. You may have to hit the VOX switch again or run the macro again.] - Mode (Data USB is default) = MD2; - Bandwidth = BW0300; [important to place this one after the band and mode have been selected] - AGC Time Constant (Slow) = GT004; - Mic Gain (45) = MG045; - AF Gain (10) = AG010; - Monitor Level (7) = ML000; - Power output (10W) = PC010; - AGC Mode On = MN128;MP001; - AGC SPD (fast) = MN129;MP000; - Mic Bias on = MN135;MP016; - Menu Exit = MN255; You will likely have to change the AF and Mic Gain values to those you prefer. regards, Brian VE3IBW On Mon, Mar 19, 2018 at 10:58 AM, Brian Waterworth < brian.waterworth at gmail.com> wrote: > Actually, sounds like your levels are too high now. When they are too > high, the KX3 will behave as you have indicated. Back off all the levels. > > 1. KX3 Mic gain for me is typically around 11-12. > 2. KX3 AF gain is around 6-7. > 3. KX3 Preamp off > - although still fussing if I want to turn it on - but then AF levels > will all need to be reset. Doing find without it at my qth > 4. Sound card (USB Soundblaster): input about 45% of max; Output > about 30% of max. > - But, that is for my sound card with my computer (Raspberry Pi 3b). > 5. WSJT-X: Power output at two notches down from maximum > - I have found this control can be a bit touchy to tune. Very > carefully move it (up or down) until you see some action on the KX3 ALC > after you have backed off all your audio levels. The increments can be > very small on this power output slider on the right hand edge of WSJT-X. > > I assume you will use a dummy load and turn down your power for your > testing. Even my dummy load can make JT or FT contacts close by. I > usually turn the power down to 0.1W when testing on the KX3. > > I take it that you have PTT = Cat. I do too. The KX3 will happily key up > with a PTT cat command even without audio drive. If there is not enough > audio drive or too much audio drive, what you observe with the ALC > indicator is what I have observed too. > > P.S. Consider setting up a KX3 macro to preset all levels on your KX3. > If you accidentally nudge something, then you can reset to a known state > with a press of one button. Use the KX3 Utility to set the macros. If you > want a starter macro, let me know and I will send. > > regards, > Brian > VE3IBW > > On Mon, Mar 19, 2018 at 10:39 AM, Philip Alley wrote: > >> I had finally got my KX3 and MaxcBook Pro set up to operate FT8. I even >> gave a demo presentation at our club meeting this past Friday. >> >> Yesterday I reassembled everything at my home shack and managed to log 8 >> FT8 contacts while familiarizing my self with the tutorials and software. >> After taking a break came back to the fun to find that I was not getting >> any ALC indication on my KX3. (Previously that had been fine and I had >> adjusted to the 4+ bars as so often recommended.) >> >> I have tried everything including switching sound cards (Signal Link to >> my Sabrent USB-C dongle) with the same result. >> >> Operating the radio in CW and SSB the bars show normally. >> >> I do notice that when I hit the WSJT-X ?Tune? button there is a brief >> burst of noise where the bars show but once the test tone comes one there >> are no bars. Same result when sending a CQ. >> >> I have cranked all levels way up (sound car output, WSJT-X ?Power? and >> KX3 MIC input) with no change. >> >> Also rebooted the Mac and reselected the sound in and out several times. >> >> I thought there might be some CAT interface dueling with MacLogger DX >> but I have made sure to keep the Logger from taking control of the rig. >> >> I have actually been able to complete a couple of QSOs with this >> condition so something is getting out but I have no way of properly >> adjusting levels If I can?t see the bars. >> >> Help! Please! >> >> Phil >> AA2EA >> Louisville KY >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to brian.waterworth at gmail.com > > > From pa0pje at xs4all.nl Mon Mar 19 19:51:59 2018 From: pa0pje at xs4all.nl (Peter Eijlander (PA0PJE)) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2018 00:51:59 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] CW sending Using two keys Macro to switch mode for right and left? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I glued a 6.3 mm jack to the base of my Hex-Key paddle and a common cathode double Schottky diode, that can be found in nearly any old PC power supply, to create a straight-key input for the K2 (doesn't work for other rigs...) and while gluing I made a small DPDT switch to reverse the paddles for left hand operation... I know that it can be set from the menu but the switch is much easier. It's surprising how many hams didn't know this reverse thing. I just said "start sending with your left hand and do not even try to think which side to hit for dots and dashes, just send! One of them was left handed and learned to send with a right hand wired paddle. I let him send with his right hand and off he went... Yes: Practice! 73, Peter Op 2018-03-19 23:52 schreef David Bunte: > Bill - > > I have never tried t send with my non-dominant hand, but I do have two > paddles. They are plugged into my DIGI KEYER II through a stereo 'Y' cable. > I have not tried this, but it seems to me that you could do that and wire > the paddles so that one was 'right handed' and the other was 'left handed'. > If that won't work, I apologize, but I think it will, and then all you need > to do when switching hands is to just start sending with the other hand... > no macros, switches, or changing the position of the paddle on the desk. > > Dave - K9FN > > > On Mon, Mar 19, 2018 at 6:24 PM, Bill Johnson wrote: > >> Changed topic!!!! >> I have not had surgery but lots of rehab. I am planning on using a Macro >> on the K-POD to switch and use two different keys for right and left hand. >> Has anyone written a macro to do this? If not I will do my own. >> >> 73, >> Bill >> K9YEQ >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net >> On Behalf Of Frank Krozel >> Sent: Monday, March 19, 2018 1:53 PM >> To: greenacres113 at charter.net >> Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] CW sending >> >> I had rotator cuff and bicep surgery and did learn cw with my left hand. >> While not as proficient as my right it did get me by. I used the same >> ?assignments? as the right hand has. >> Worked out well. >> de KG9H >> >> >>> On Mar 19, 2018, at 1:41 PM, greenacres113 at charter.net wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> I'm a Lefty. When I got my 1st electronic keyer & key I learned >> with >>> the key set for a Righty. That was over 40 yr.s ago. It is very handy. >>> When I share CW duties in contests or Field Day all that's needed is >>> to move the key to the left or right side of the operating position. >>> No re-wiring or set up. I receive better than I send but I can send >>> clean CW at 30+ WPM. >>> >>> In life we Lefties have to overcome lots of things designed for >>> Righties! You just adapt. >>> >>> K9IL >>> >>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email >>> list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to >>> kg9hfrank at gmail.com >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to k9yeq at live.com ______________________________ >> ________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to k9yeq at live.com >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to dpbunte at gmail.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to pa0pje at xs4all.nl > From donwilh at embarqmail.com Mon Mar 19 19:55:41 2018 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2018 19:55:41 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] XV144 shutdown In-Reply-To: <1521499317216-0.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1521499317216-0.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1fac2b5c-e199-929e-45c6-c03a345ba226@embarqmail.com> Pete, The most probable cause is that the power module is at fault. Re-check the XV series construction manual to be certain the PA module is mounted correctly with the right mounting hardware (in the right order) along with the heat spreader and thermal pad. The back side of the module must be in contact with the heat spreader, or it will throttle back power. If all that is correct, then the PA module may be damaged. If you can follow the schematic, then you can trace the problem at several points while measuring the RF voltage with an oscilloscope. There are some checks on the RF board that you can check to see if the Local Oscillator is dropping in RF voltage (you can check that at a test point with a DMM). With an oscilloscope you can tell if the 28Mhz drive to the mixer is dropping. With great caution, you can also check the RF output of U6 (if your oscilloscope and 10X probe is rated for 200MHz), but be careful not to let your 'scope probe couple to the other circuits giving rise to oscillation and erroneous conclusions. 73, Don W3FPR On 3/19/2018 6:41 PM, MW0RSS wrote: > Hi all > > I have a used XV144 that loses power after a short time. I have tried it > with my K2 (using the KIO2) and also a couple of different QRP rigs, driving > it directly with a few watts. I have arranged jumpers accordingly, depending > on how the XV144 is being driven. > > It completely loses power after a random amount of time. The power loss > seems unrelated to how much power the unit is delivering (the XV144 loses > power just the same, whether it?s giving 5W or 20W output). > From donwilh at embarqmail.com Mon Mar 19 20:05:15 2018 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2018 20:05:15 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 AND FSK In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3a42bae3-8ff6-444d-0a9d-2aa9f177be4e@embarqmail.com> Noel, The KX3 does not have an FSK input. You will have to move up to the K3S to have that. You cannot use a CW Keyer (external) for FSK - you must use paddles directly attached to the internal keyer in the KX3. The easiest way is to use AFSK A data submode along with a soundcard and a computer. If you have a computer application that can send ASCII text (via the "KY" commands (see the programmers reference manual), then you can send in FSK D mode. Despite what is often said about soundcard generated AFSK, in the K3/K3S, it is actually cleaner than FSK. I figure that is also true of the KX3, although I do not have any data on that. 73, Don W3FPR On 3/19/2018 7:12 PM, NOEL POULIN wrote: > Hello, > I was reading the KX3 manual, and I? do not see how to hook an FSK > interface to the KX3,. > I want to use it in RTTY (FSK) and I am looking where should I connect > the interface. > I do not want t o use a cw keyer to for rtty.... From n6kr at elecraft.com Mon Mar 19 20:09:49 2018 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2018 17:09:49 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 AND FSK In-Reply-To: <3a42bae3-8ff6-444d-0a9d-2aa9f177be4e@embarqmail.com> References: <3a42bae3-8ff6-444d-0a9d-2aa9f177be4e@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <6FCB3868-3CC7-4B43-8640-CFB5A772F61A@elecraft.com> Just to clarify, for CW and data modes (including RTTY/FSK), you can use: - external PC + keyboard (either with a terminal program or using KX3/KX2 Utility) - external keyer paddle - attached keyer paddle (KXPD2/KXPD3) 73, Wayne N6KR > On Mar 19, 2018, at 5:05 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > > Noel, > > The KX3 does not have an FSK input. You will have to move up to the K3S to have that. > > You cannot use a CW Keyer (external) for FSK - you must use paddles directly attached to the internal keyer in the KX3. > > The easiest way is to use AFSK A data submode along with a soundcard and a computer. > > If you have a computer application that can send ASCII text (via the "KY" commands (see the programmers reference manual), then you can send in FSK D mode. > > Despite what is often said about soundcard generated AFSK, in the K3/K3S, it is actually cleaner than FSK. I figure that is also true of the KX3, although I do not have any data on that. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 3/19/2018 7:12 PM, NOEL POULIN wrote: >> Hello, >> I was reading the KX3 manual, and I do not see how to hook an FSK interface to the KX3,. >> I want to use it in RTTY (FSK) and I am looking where should I connect the interface. >> I do not want t o use a cw keyer to for rtty.... > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n6kr at elecraft.com From k1ike at snet.net Mon Mar 19 20:10:34 2018 From: k1ike at snet.net (JOE) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2018 20:10:34 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] DMM recommendations In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <806e5761-7b55-3648-fd61-bb332d80b9e7@snet.net> I spoke to someone at Bird (when they were really Bird) years ago and I was told that the Bird wattmeter is accurate to ?5% of top scale.? This means that a 100 watt slug can be off ?5 watts _anywhere_ on the meter.? So, a transmitter emitting 50 watts out, using the Bird and a 100 watt slug, can read between 45 and 55 watts.? That's why he said it was important to keep the reading in the top 1/3 (highest) end of the meter.? This is where the error is less.? When taking reflected power readings the slug should be 1/10 of the forward slug value when testing a reasonably good antenna.? So, a 100 watt forward slug would require a 10 watt reverse slug for reasonable accuracy. I retired my Bird 43 and the vast assortment of slugs for a Telewave Model 44A wattmeter and never looked back.? The drawback to the 44A is it is limited to 20-1000MHz.? The Bird would be good for HF use. 73, Joe, K1ike Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2018 18:40:41 +0000 > Always bear in mind that their odd meters (30 uA) are very non-linear and > measurements made using element ranges that fall in the bottom 1/3 or so of > the scale are the most accurate. Overall, they claim to be accurate to +/- > 20 percent of full scale. HORRIBLE in > today's world! > > FWIW ... > > 73! > > K0PP From n6kr at elecraft.com Mon Mar 19 20:11:28 2018 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2018 17:11:28 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] XV144 shutdown In-Reply-To: <1521499317216-0.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1521499317216-0.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <4134589E-F9B1-4989-B221-6734534F60B0@elecraft.com> Pete, After establishing the desired power output level, try turning off ALC (see owner?s manual; CONFIG:TX ALC). If turning the ALC off eliminates power fade, then it?s a firmware problem. If this doesn?t help, then something is heating up, possibly a cold solder joint or component. Wayne N6KR > On Mar 19, 2018, at 3:41 PM, MW0RSS wrote: > > Hi all > > I have a used XV144 that loses power after a short time. I have tried it > with my K2 (using the KIO2) and also a couple of different QRP rigs, driving > it directly with a few watts. I have arranged jumpers accordingly, depending > on how the XV144 is being driven. > > It completely loses power after a random amount of time. The power loss > seems unrelated to how much power the unit is delivering (the XV144 loses > power just the same, whether it?s giving 5W or 20W output). > > It doesn?t seem to be a heat problem. > > Any suggestions would be welcome. > > Pete MW0RSS > > > > -- > Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n6kr at elecraft.com From lists at subich.com Mon Mar 19 21:29:22 2018 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2018 21:29:22 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] DMM recommendations In-Reply-To: <806e5761-7b55-3648-fd61-bb332d80b9e7@snet.net> References: <806e5761-7b55-3648-fd61-bb332d80b9e7@snet.net> Message-ID: <90355bdd-e99f-60b8-a140-e76cccda4ca0@subich.com> > When taking reflected power readings the slug should be 1/10 of the > forward slug value when testing a reasonably good antenna. So, a 100 > watt forward slug would require a 10 watt reverse slug for reasonable > accuracy. Unfortunately, the smallest HF slug Bird make is 25 Watts. That means any SWR less than 1.4:1 (2.8% reflected power) is suspect with a 100 W transmitter. It is a shame that Bird do not offer a 10 (or 5 W HF element) and the one reason I moved to the LP-100(A) several years ago. However, I would never think to take the LP-100(A) or microHAM SM?RF out into the field. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 3/19/2018 8:10 PM, JOE wrote: > I spoke to someone at Bird (when they were really Bird) years ago and I > was told that the Bird wattmeter is accurate to ?5% of top scale.? This > means that a 100 watt slug can be off ?5 watts _anywhere_ on the meter. > So, a transmitter emitting 50 watts out, using the Bird and a 100 watt > slug, can read between 45 and 55 watts.? That's why he said it was > important to keep the reading in the top 1/3 (highest) end of the > meter.? This is where the error is less.? When taking reflected power > readings the slug should be 1/10 of the forward slug value when testing > a reasonably good antenna.? So, a 100 watt forward slug would require a > 10 watt reverse slug for reasonable accuracy. > > I retired my Bird 43 and the vast assortment of slugs for a Telewave > Model 44A wattmeter and never looked back.? The drawback to the 44A is > it is limited to 20-1000MHz.? The Bird would be good for HF use. > > 73, Joe, K1ike > > Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2018 18:40:41 +0000 >> Always bear in mind that their odd meters (30 uA) are very non-linear and >> measurements made using element ranges that fall in the bottom 1/3 or >> so of >> the scale are the most accurate.? Overall, they claim to be accurate >> to +/- >> 20 percent of full scale.? HORRIBLE in >> today's world! >> >> FWIW ... >> >> 73! >> >> K0PP > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to lists at subich.com From donwilh at embarqmail.com Mon Mar 19 21:32:38 2018 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2018 21:32:38 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] XV144 shutdown In-Reply-To: <4134589E-F9B1-4989-B221-6734534F60B0@elecraft.com> References: <1521499317216-0.post@n2.nabble.com> <4134589E-F9B1-4989-B221-6734534F60B0@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <5e3274ad-2c43-2d1b-7f37-34fcd20c83bb@embarqmail.com> Pete, What Wayne indicated applies only to the K3 and the K144XV transverter. It is not applicable to the XV144 being driven by the K2. The K2 has no provision to turn off the TX ALC. But I would add that you might monitor the K2 output with a QRP wattmeter to determine if the K2 is reducing power or the XV144. A measurement of the RF voltage from the K2 will determine that. For that measurement, you must use an oscilloscope with a 10X probe. Alternately, an oscilloscope at the XV144 28MHz input to the mixer will tell you whether the 28MHz energy is steady or sagging over your transmit time. 73, Don w3FPR On 3/19/2018 8:11 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > Pete, > > After establishing the desired power output level, try turning off ALC (see owner?s manual; CONFIG:TX ALC). > > If turning the ALC off eliminates power fade, then it?s a firmware problem. If this doesn?t help, then something is heating up, possibly a cold solder joint or component. > > Wayne > N6KR > From k9yeq at live.com Mon Mar 19 21:57:34 2018 From: k9yeq at live.com (Bill Johnson) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2018 01:57:34 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] CW sending Using two keys Macro to switch mode for right and left? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Good suggestion, just change the wires! Too simple! Thanks for suggestion. 73, Bill K9YEQ From: David Bunte Sent: Monday, March 19, 2018 5:52 PM To: Bill Johnson Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] CW sending Using two keys Macro to switch mode for right and left? Bill - I have never tried t send with my non-dominant hand, but I do have two paddles. They are plugged into my DIGI KEYER II through a stereo 'Y' cable. I have not tried this, but it seems to me that you could do that and wire the paddles so that one was 'right handed' and the other was 'left handed'. If that won't work, I apologize, but I think it will, and then all you need to do when switching hands is to just start sending with the other hand... no macros, switches, or changing the position of the paddle on the desk. Dave - K9FN On Mon, Mar 19, 2018 at 6:24 PM, Bill Johnson > wrote: Changed topic!!!! I have not had surgery but lots of rehab. I am planning on using a Macro on the K-POD to switch and use two different keys for right and left hand. Has anyone written a macro to do this? If not I will do my own. 73, Bill K9YEQ -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net > On Behalf Of Frank Krozel Sent: Monday, March 19, 2018 1:53 PM To: greenacres113 at charter.net Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] CW sending I had rotator cuff and bicep surgery and did learn cw with my left hand. While not as proficient as my right it did get me by. I used the same ?assignments? as the right hand has. Worked out well. de KG9H > On Mar 19, 2018, at 1:41 PM, greenacres113 at charter.net wrote: > > > > I'm a Lefty. When I got my 1st electronic keyer & key I learned with > the key set for a Righty. That was over 40 yr.s ago. It is very handy. > When I share CW duties in contests or Field Day all that's needed is > to move the key to the left or right side of the operating position. > No re-wiring or set up. I receive better than I send but I can send > clean CW at 30+ WPM. > > In life we Lefties have to overcome lots of things designed for > Righties! You just adapt. > > K9IL > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > kg9hfrank at gmail.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to k9yeq at live.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to k9yeq at live.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to dpbunte at gmail.com From k9yeq at live.com Mon Mar 19 22:03:20 2018 From: k9yeq at live.com (Bill Johnson) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2018 02:03:20 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] CW sending Using two keys Macro to switch mode for right and left? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Great suggestion. Have found that putting hands together that mine mirror in reverse without issue, so I need to use the keys differently. The macro idea without rewiring is still on my drawing table. I love both keys, an N3Zn and Begali adventure are what I am using. I have tried to see what works best. I will use the KX3 and KX2 Elecraft keys for those rigs. I want to play on the K3S with two keys for one side of the desk and one for the other, yet to be determined. I could wire in a cable male to female from the keys and reverse to allow changing which is on either side. 73, Bill K9YEQ -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of Peter Eijlander (PA0PJE) Sent: Monday, March 19, 2018 6:52 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] CW sending Using two keys Macro to switch mode for right and left? I glued a 6.3 mm jack to the base of my Hex-Key paddle and a common cathode double Schottky diode, that can be found in nearly any old PC power supply, to create a straight-key input for the K2 (doesn't work for other rigs...) and while gluing I made a small DPDT switch to reverse the paddles for left hand operation... I know that it can be set from the menu but the switch is much easier. It's surprising how many hams didn't know this reverse thing. I just said "start sending with your left hand and do not even try to think which side to hit for dots and dashes, just send! One of them was left handed and learned to send with a right hand wired paddle. I let him send with his right hand and off he went... Yes: Practice! 73, Peter Op 2018-03-19 23:52 schreef David Bunte: > Bill - > > I have never tried t send with my non-dominant hand, but I do have two > paddles. They are plugged into my DIGI KEYER II through a stereo 'Y' cable. > I have not tried this, but it seems to me that you could do that and wire > the paddles so that one was 'right handed' and the other was 'left handed'. > If that won't work, I apologize, but I think it will, and then all you need > to do when switching hands is to just start sending with the other hand... > no macros, switches, or changing the position of the paddle on the desk. > > Dave - K9FN > > > On Mon, Mar 19, 2018 at 6:24 PM, Bill Johnson wrote: > >> Changed topic!!!! >> I have not had surgery but lots of rehab. I am planning on using a Macro >> on the K-POD to switch and use two different keys for right and left hand. >> Has anyone written a macro to do this? If not I will do my own. >> >> 73, >> Bill >> K9YEQ >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net >> On Behalf Of Frank Krozel >> Sent: Monday, March 19, 2018 1:53 PM >> To: greenacres113 at charter.net >> Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] CW sending >> >> I had rotator cuff and bicep surgery and did learn cw with my left hand. >> While not as proficient as my right it did get me by. I used the same >> ?assignments? as the right hand has. >> Worked out well. >> de KG9H >> >> >>> On Mar 19, 2018, at 1:41 PM, greenacres113 at charter.net wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> I'm a Lefty. When I got my 1st electronic keyer & key I learned >> with >>> the key set for a Righty. That was over 40 yr.s ago. It is very handy. >>> When I share CW duties in contests or Field Day all that's needed is >>> to move the key to the left or right side of the operating position. >>> No re-wiring or set up. I receive better than I send but I can send >>> clean CW at 30+ WPM. >>> >>> In life we Lefties have to overcome lots of things designed for >>> Righties! You just adapt. >>> >>> K9IL >>> >>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email >>> list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to >>> kg9hfrank at gmail.com >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to k9yeq at live.com ______________________________ >> ________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to k9yeq at live.com >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to dpbunte at gmail.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to pa0pje at xs4all.nl > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to k9yeq at live.com From k9yeq at live.com Mon Mar 19 22:04:21 2018 From: k9yeq at live.com (Bill Johnson) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2018 02:04:21 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] CW sending Using two keys Macro to switch mode for right and left? In-Reply-To: <818a173a-1c0f-37ce-c688-9a37f5462912@embarqmail.com> References: <20180319223709.B506B149B2CC@mailman.qth.net> <818a173a-1c0f-37ce-c688-9a37f5462912@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: Exactly the reason for my macro request. No switch, just commands. 73, Bill K9YEQ -----Original Message----- From: Don Wilhelm Sent: Monday, March 19, 2018 6:42 PM To: Joe K2UF ; 'Bill Johnson' ; elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] CW sending Using two keys Macro to switch mode for right and left? Joe, That works, but for those who do not want to wire the DPDT switch, there is a menu setting to do the same thing. 73, Don W3FPR On 3/19/2018 6:35 PM, Joe K2UF wrote: > I just put a mini DPDT switch on the base of my Bencher paddle. Now I > can switch between left/right hand keying easy peasy nice and easy. From robert.gross at regross.com Mon Mar 19 23:26:11 2018 From: robert.gross at regross.com (Robert E. Gross) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2018 23:26:11 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] CW sending Using two keys Macro to switch mode for right and left? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <00cd01d3bffb$32263e60$9672bb20$@regross.com> I successfully use two identical Kent iambic paddles, wired in parallel - one on each side of the operating desk. The left one is wired backwards. I can use either hand to key them with ease. Very simple and clean. I am considering building a switch box to connect the set to multiple rigs. 73, KE4EM Bob From pincon at erols.com Mon Mar 19 23:47:36 2018 From: pincon at erols.com (Charlie T) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2018 23:47:36 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] DMM recommendations In-Reply-To: <90355bdd-e99f-60b8-a140-e76cccda4ca0@subich.com> References: <806e5761-7b55-3648-fd61-bb332d80b9e7@snet.net> <90355bdd-e99f-60b8-a140-e76cccda4ca0@subich.com> Message-ID: <007601d3bffe$333becc0$99b3c640$@erols.com> You can always use an A range Bird slug (25 to 60 MHz) on the upper end of the HF spectrum. It'll be accurate on 10 & 12 M and probably not too far off a little lower, but certainly not on 80 or 40 M. Low power 5W & 10W A slugs are available. 73 Charlie k3ICH From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Mon Mar 19 23:53:56 2018 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2018 20:53:56 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] DMM recommendations In-Reply-To: <007601d3bffe$333becc0$99b3c640$@erols.com> References: <806e5761-7b55-3648-fd61-bb332d80b9e7@snet.net> <90355bdd-e99f-60b8-a140-e76cccda4ca0@subich.com> <007601d3bffe$333becc0$99b3c640$@erols.com> Message-ID: On 3/19/2018 8:47 PM, Charlie T wrote: > Low power 5W & 10W A slugs are available. Yes. I have some for VHF and UHF. I also bought the very nice LP100A from the estate of an SK. It came with only one sensor, so I sent it back to Larry for him to add a second one. It's permanently wired into my SO2R station. One of its many useful features is the ability to measure the complex Z at its output terminal. 73, Jim K9YC From k2vco.vic at gmail.com Tue Mar 20 00:25:43 2018 From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2018 06:25:43 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] DMM In-Reply-To: <001901d3bfd4$117c09f0$34741dd0$@gmx.net> References: <001901d3bfd4$117c09f0$34741dd0$@gmx.net> Message-ID: I have used numerous cheap meters (now I am playing with a pen-type meter I got from China for $23). They work, are usually relatively accurate, and have more features than most of us will use. But one thing I've noticed is that they take a longer time to take a measurement than the Fluke 79III that has served me well since time immemorial. I worked as a mechanic for a while, and the difference between good tools and almost-good tools may be subtle. But when you have a wrench in your hand all day, you understand why the astronomical prices of (for example) Snap-On tools are totally justified. The same goes for meters. 73, Victor, 4X6GP Rehovot, Israel Formerly K2VCO http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/ On 20 Mar 2018 00:46, Bob DeHaney wrote: > There are a lot of used Flukes on EBay, maybe not the latest model, but for > us perfect. That's where I bought mine, the price is right too. > > VY 73 de Bob DJ0RD/WU5T From pincon at erols.com Tue Mar 20 00:30:11 2018 From: pincon at erols.com (Charlie T) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2018 00:30:11 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] DMM recommendations In-Reply-To: References: <806e5761-7b55-3648-fd61-bb332d80b9e7@snet.net> <90355bdd-e99f-60b8-a140-e76cccda4ca0@subich.com> <007601d3bffe$333becc0$99b3c640$@erols.com> Message-ID: <008201d3c004$25b88c10$7129a430$@erols.com> I was speaking specifically of the "A" range slugs for 25 to 60 MHz which are available down to 5 W and usable in the higher HF freqs. I have a couple low power 1 & 2.5W slugs that cover very narrow VHF & UHF ranges that are handy for walkies. I always said I would never get into the "sub" hobby of Bird collecting, but I guess somewhere along I succumbed. 73,Charlie k3ICH -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of Jim Brown Sent: Monday, March 19, 2018 11:54 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] DMM recommendations On 3/19/2018 8:47 PM, Charlie T wrote: > Low power 5W & 10W A slugs are available. Yes. I have some for VHF and UHF. I also bought the very nice LP100A from the estate of an SK. It came with only one sensor, so I sent it back to Larry for him to add a second one. It's permanently wired into my SO2R station. One of its many useful features is the ability to measure the complex Z at its output terminal. 73, Jim K9YC ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to pincon at erols.com From kl7uw at acsalaska.net Tue Mar 20 04:39:45 2018 From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2018 00:39:45 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] DMM recommendations Message-ID: <201803200839.w2K8dlPV010207@mail47c28.carrierzone.com> Wow! I never knew the bird was a DMM! You can put down the Bird43 all you want, but check nearly every professional radio shop and every prof tech's tool bag and likely you will find a Bird. They work well and are quite durable riding in pickups, helicopters, boats, snowcats, etc. I bought my first one in 1976 (and still using it). Now own three. Definitely more accurate RF power meters but the Bird survives. Professionals have 1/2 wavelength test cables to ensure accurate Reflected measurements in the field. 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com Dubus-NA Business mail: dubususa at gmail.com From pete.walton at talk21.com Tue Mar 20 05:22:00 2018 From: pete.walton at talk21.com (MW0RSS) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2018 02:22:00 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] XV144 shutdown In-Reply-To: <5e3274ad-2c43-2d1b-7f37-34fcd20c83bb@embarqmail.com> References: <1521499317216-0.post@n2.nabble.com> <4134589E-F9B1-4989-B221-6734534F60B0@elecraft.com> <5e3274ad-2c43-2d1b-7f37-34fcd20c83bb@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <1521537720485-0.post@n2.nabble.com> Thanks guys. The K2 is OK; it is currently driving my XV50 with no problems. It used to also drive the XV144 when I first got it, so my cables are wired OK and the KIO2 is working properly. The XV144 behaves the same whether driven by the K2 or any other QRP rig. It now seems to develop no output. Rx is OK, but there's no power output at all. I have got through the alignment procedure up the the part that says that TP5 should have volts on it when the unit is put into Tx and power applied. It doesn't seem to have any significant volts on TP5. Adjusting R22 while driving it no longer produces any output. It seems to have been a gradual deterioration. Pete -- Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ From c-hawley at illinois.edu Tue Mar 20 07:48:17 2018 From: c-hawley at illinois.edu (hawley, charles j jr) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2018 11:48:17 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] CW sending Using two keys Macro to switch mode for right and left? In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: <2C1FE859-40DF-4048-8D31-CFE57AF5B74D@illinois.edu> I have a short wire with a stereo jack on it?s end on my key, I could have two of them in parallel each wired differently and plug into the one I wanted, but I like the switch idea best Chuck Jack KE9UW Sent from my iPhone, cjack > On Mar 19, 2018, at 5:52 PM, David Bunte wrote: > > Bill - > > I have never tried t send with my non-dominant hand, but I do have two > paddles. They are plugged into my DIGI KEYER II through a stereo 'Y' cable. > I have not tried this, but it seems to me that you could do that and wire > the paddles so that one was 'right handed' and the other was 'left handed'. > If that won't work, I apologize, but I think it will, and then all you need > to do when switching hands is to just start sending with the other hand... > no macros, switches, or changing the position of the paddle on the desk. > > Dave - K9FN > > >> On Mon, Mar 19, 2018 at 6:24 PM, Bill Johnson wrote: >> >> Changed topic!!!! >> I have not had surgery but lots of rehab. I am planning on using a Macro >> on the K-POD to switch and use two different keys for right and left hand. >> Has anyone written a macro to do this? If not I will do my own. >> >> 73, >> Bill >> K9YEQ >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net >> On Behalf Of Frank Krozel >> Sent: Monday, March 19, 2018 1:53 PM >> To: greenacres113 at charter.net >> Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] CW sending >> >> I had rotator cuff and bicep surgery and did learn cw with my left hand. >> While not as proficient as my right it did get me by. I used the same >> ?assignments? as the right hand has. >> Worked out well. >> de KG9H >> >> >>> On Mar 19, 2018, at 1:41 PM, greenacres113 at charter.net wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> I'm a Lefty. When I got my 1st electronic keyer & key I learned >> with >>> the key set for a Righty. That was over 40 yr.s ago. It is very handy. >>> When I share CW duties in contests or Field Day all that's needed is >>> to move the key to the left or right side of the operating position. >>> No re-wiring or set up. I receive better than I send but I can send >>> clean CW at 30+ WPM. >>> >>> In life we Lefties have to overcome lots of things designed for >>> Righties! You just adapt. >>> >>> K9IL >>> >>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email >>> list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to >>> kg9hfrank at gmail.com >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to k9yeq at live.com ______________________________ >> ________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to k9yeq at live.com >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to dpbunte at gmail.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to c-hawley at illinois.edu From c-hawley at illinois.edu Tue Mar 20 08:31:36 2018 From: c-hawley at illinois.edu (hawley, charles j jr) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2018 12:31:36 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] CW sending Using two keys Macro to switch mode for right and left? In-Reply-To: <818a173a-1c0f-37ce-c688-9a37f5462912@embarqmail.com> References: <20180319223709.B506B149B2CC@mailman.qth.net>, <818a173a-1c0f-37ce-c688-9a37f5462912@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <2BCC179B-4611-44D9-887C-B511AE13973F@illinois.edu> Thought about that, I am using the K44 keyer however. I would guess there is a swap in it?s software as well though. Chuck KE9UW c-hawley at illinois.edu Sent from my iPad > On Mar 19, 2018, at 6:42 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > > Joe, > > That works, but for those who do not want to wire the DPDT switch, there is a menu setting to do the same thing. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > >> On 3/19/2018 6:35 PM, Joe K2UF wrote: >> I just put a mini DPDT switch on the base of my Bencher paddle. Now I can >> switch between left/right hand keying easy peasy nice and easy. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to c-hawley at illinois.edu From c-hawley at illinois.edu Tue Mar 20 09:29:21 2018 From: c-hawley at illinois.edu (hawley, charles j jr) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2018 13:29:21 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] DMM recommendations In-Reply-To: <90355bdd-e99f-60b8-a140-e76cccda4ca0@subich.com> References: <806e5761-7b55-3648-fd61-bb332d80b9e7@snet.net>, <90355bdd-e99f-60b8-a140-e76cccda4ca0@subich.com> Message-ID: <276D3D6C9D5C8C4484211E9839FDE1AB49E4F9C4@CITESMBX5.ad.uillinois.edu> Bird did make a 10 Watt slug a few years ago, but there must not have been many of them and the on line Bird seller had one at a very high price. Like two times the regular price. It sold immediately as I remember. I used a couple Birds attached with an N union and had a 25 in the rev and a 1K in the fwd with peak detector. It was a good setup. I generally don't even need a wattmeter, but set one up mostly as a project more than any other reason.. Chuck Hawley c-hawley at illinois.edu Amateur Radio, KE9UW aka Jack, BMW Motorcycles ________________________________________ From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] on behalf of Joe Subich, W4TV [lists at subich.com] Sent: Monday, March 19, 2018 8:29 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] DMM recommendations > When taking reflected power readings the slug should be 1/10 of the > forward slug value when testing a reasonably good antenna. So, a 100 > watt forward slug would require a 10 watt reverse slug for reasonable > accuracy. Unfortunately, the smallest HF slug Bird make is 25 Watts. That means any SWR less than 1.4:1 (2.8% reflected power) is suspect with a 100 W transmitter. It is a shame that Bird do not offer a 10 (or 5 W HF element) and the one reason I moved to the LP-100(A) several years ago. However, I would never think to take the LP-100(A) or microHAM SM?RF out into the field. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 3/19/2018 8:10 PM, JOE wrote: > I spoke to someone at Bird (when they were really Bird) years ago and I > was told that the Bird wattmeter is accurate to ?5% of top scale. This > means that a 100 watt slug can be off ?5 watts _anywhere_ on the meter. > So, a transmitter emitting 50 watts out, using the Bird and a 100 watt > slug, can read between 45 and 55 watts. That's why he said it was > important to keep the reading in the top 1/3 (highest) end of the > meter. This is where the error is less. When taking reflected power > readings the slug should be 1/10 of the forward slug value when testing > a reasonably good antenna. So, a 100 watt forward slug would require a > 10 watt reverse slug for reasonable accuracy. > > I retired my Bird 43 and the vast assortment of slugs for a Telewave > Model 44A wattmeter and never looked back. The drawback to the 44A is > it is limited to 20-1000MHz. The Bird would be good for HF use. > > 73, Joe, K1ike > > Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2018 18:40:41 +0000 >> Always bear in mind that their odd meters (30 uA) are very non-linear and >> measurements made using element ranges that fall in the bottom 1/3 or >> so of >> the scale are the most accurate. Overall, they claim to be accurate >> to +/- >> 20 percent of full scale. HORRIBLE in >> today's world! >> >> FWIW ... >> >> 73! >> >> K0PP > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to lists at subich.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to c-hawley at illinois.edu From c-hawley at illinois.edu Tue Mar 20 10:05:42 2018 From: c-hawley at illinois.edu (hawley, charles j jr) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2018 14:05:42 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] TX Monitor Directional Couplers? Message-ID: <276D3D6C9D5C8C4484211E9839FDE1AB49E4FD35@CITESMBX5.ad.uillinois.edu> Are the directional couplers, the DCHF-xxxx, the same as the ones on the W2 wattmeter? I seem to remember something about modifying an existing directional coupler in the early days of the P3TXMON. If they are exactly the same do all the directional couplers ever sold, early ones and now later ones, work with the P3TXMON? Chuck Hawley c-hawley at illinois.edu Amateur Radio, KE9UW aka Jack, BMW Motorcycles From donwilh at embarqmail.com Tue Mar 20 10:33:16 2018 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2018 10:33:16 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] TX Monitor Directional Couplers? In-Reply-To: <276D3D6C9D5C8C4484211E9839FDE1AB49E4FD35@CITESMBX5.ad.uillinois.edu> References: <276D3D6C9D5C8C4484211E9839FDE1AB49E4FD35@CITESMBX5.ad.uillinois.edu> Message-ID: <26b5acf1-677b-ad70-53f9-f69fe08be293@embarqmail.com> Chuck, The later W2 couplers are the same as those for the P3TXMON, but the ones for a time after the P3TXMON was introduced are different. The early ones will not work well with the P3TXMON. Sorry, but I cannot tell you when the changeover took place. You will have to dig up that modification information and examine your coupler to see if has the changes installed. 73, Don W3FPR On 3/20/2018 10:05 AM, hawley, charles j jr wrote: > Are the directional couplers, the DCHF-xxxx, the same as the ones on the W2 wattmeter? I seem to remember something about modifying an existing directional coupler in the early days of the P3TXMON. > If they are exactly the same do all the directional couplers ever sold, early ones and now later ones, work with the P3TXMON? From rmcgraw at blomand.net Tue Mar 20 11:36:58 2018 From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2018 10:36:58 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Digest, Vol 167, Issue 26 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <635faf2d-648a-301f-9389-0a11abb872ba@blomand.net> Richard: I agree with Don, W3FPR and Jim, K9YC on the EQ issues.??? I do think the +3, +9, & +12? values are excessive, unless the mike you are using is lacking in high end for some reason, or is a dynamic mike which may be heavy in low end due to proximity effect. Regarding mikes and proximity effect, back away from the mike about a "fist" distance.? I find this to be more effective than trying to EQ something.? Mike technique is much more critical to good / great sounding audio than many hams realize or have been taught incorrectly.??? Don't EAT the mike!????? I have and use some really good professional mikes as well as some $19 el-cheap-o dynamic mikes.?? For ham purposes they are all about the same. The key to making them "all sound the same" is mike technique. I agree that there is little to no articulate information in the human voice below 200 Hz.? "Down there" is room rumble, HVAC noise, amp fan noise, of which none contribute to good / great sounding audio and sucks up transmitter power.? And yes, the typical SSB filter begins to attenuate anything above 2.7 kHz to 3 kHz or so.?? Excluding ESSB modes.? "Up there" is nasal whistles, lip smacks, sibilant sounds and such. ?? Again, none of these contribute to good / great sounding audio.??? If you hear an operator inhale between words or sentences.......he needs to take steps to improve his audio.? Either adjust the mike gain correctly, adjust the speech processing correctly or improve his mike technique. Agreed, it is always better to use an EQ to attenuate as opposed to boost a frequency or band, as in-band phase shift is usually less.? That makes the audio sound "less EQ'd" and thus more natural.? The general thinking, and usually most incorrect, is "you need more of this or more of that".?? When correctly it should be "you need less of this and less of that".? Why is it we always seem to want more? I do not agree with Bob Heil where he suggests using a 2nd receiver and headphones to listen to your signal.? Reason: a significant part your voice sound is transmitted to the ears via internal bone conductivity in ones head.? This is not accounted for in the simultaneous transmitting and listening process with headphones. ? Likewise, same for the Monitor function in most radios. ?? It is much better is use free software such as AUDICITY to record from the 2nd receiver and then listen to the recording to get a more accurate evaluation of how it sounds. Just an old retired recording engineer's thoughts.............based on years and years of experience. With today's radios, there is no reason not to have great sounding audio.??? However, getting someone on the other end to give you an accurate and composite audio report is a real challenge. 73 Bob, K4TAX On 3/18/2018 10:03 PM, elecraft-request at mailman.qth.net wrote: > Richard, > > Remove the boost on the high end. > You can reduce all bands if you want to maintain the same curve. > It is better not to boost, but cut instead. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 3/18/2018 1:09 PM, Richard wrote: >> Bill, >> >> Tx EQ: >> 50 = -16 >> 100 = -12 >> 200 = -6 >> 400 = 0 >> 800 = 0 >> 1200 = +3 >> 2400 = +9 >> 3200 = +12 >> >> This works well for me. >> >> Richard - W4KBX From n1al at sonic.net Tue Mar 20 11:57:26 2018 From: n1al at sonic.net (Alan) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2018 08:57:26 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] TX Monitor Directional Couplers? In-Reply-To: <26b5acf1-677b-ad70-53f9-f69fe08be293@embarqmail.com> References: <276D3D6C9D5C8C4484211E9839FDE1AB49E4FD35@CITESMBX5.ad.uillinois.edu> <26b5acf1-677b-ad70-53f9-f69fe08be293@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: If you have an older coupler it will work fine for SWR and power measurements with the P3TXMON but the modulation waveform display will not show full bandwidth. Alan N1AL On 03/20/2018 07:33 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > Chuck, > > The later W2 couplers are the same as those for the P3TXMON, but the > ones for a time after the P3TXMON was introduced are different. > > The early ones will not work well with the P3TXMON. > > Sorry, but I cannot tell you when the changeover took place. > You will have to dig up that modification information and examine your > coupler to see if has the changes installed. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 3/20/2018 10:05 AM, hawley, charles j jr wrote: >> Are the directional couplers, the DCHF-xxxx, the same as the ones on >> the W2 wattmeter? I seem to remember something about modifying an >> existing directional coupler in the early days of the P3TXMON. >> If they are exactly the same do all the directional couplers ever >> sold, early ones and now later ones, work with the P3TXMON? From srmuenich at gmail.com Tue Mar 20 13:09:33 2018 From: srmuenich at gmail.com (Steve Muenich) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2018 12:09:33 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] For Sale: XV144 transverse Message-ID: <33E55ED0-B586-4DDD-B541-B99F345D516E@gmail.com> FS: XV144 2 meter Transverter Works and looks great Includes RF and interconnect cables. Manual $350 shipped Steve, NA5C Sent from my mobile device From kh at kh-translation.dk Tue Mar 20 13:28:04 2018 From: kh at kh-translation.dk (Kjeld Holm) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2018 18:28:04 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] K144XV on digital modes - disappearing power SOLVED Message-ID: <002f01d3c070$cdac2f00$69048d00$@kh-translation.dk> Dear Elecrafters, I do appreciate the help from Elecraft support, senior supporter Gary and Wayne himself. After quite a few mails back and forth Wayne did the mail with "Have you tried setting the K3?s transmit ALC off? If there really is per-mode behavior, this should help. First do a TUNE to establish ALC control level, then set CONFIG:TX ALC to OFF. Exit the menu. Now power control is open-loop; you can still adjust the PWR control, but it is only adjusting drive, without using ALC." Vy 73 de OZ1CCM, Kjeld -----Original Message----- From: Kjeld Holm [mailto:kh at kh-translation.dk] Sent: 25. februar 2018 17:14 To: 'elecraft at mailman.qth.net' Cc: 'Wayne Burdick' Subject: K144XV on digital modes - disappearing power Dear Elecrafters, For a year or so I have had an internal K144XV transverter for 144 MHz in my K3. I have not been using it very much ? just a few FM QSOs. I have not seen any problems. Now I have just started using K144XV on digital modes ? especially FT8 (42% TX and 58% RX). I started out selecting 10W output. After 4 minutes the output suddenly felt to a few mill watt. Starting out with 5W or even 2W produced exactly the same result. But without regard to the starting point I could get normal output again just by changing the output a little bit. It did not matter whether I increased or decreased my power a bit. I did not hear any fans starting up and I could not feel any heating at any sides of the K3. Can anyone explain what is going on ? what I am doing wrong ? what I can do to keep the output stable? Vy 73 de OZ1CCM, Kjeld From dave at nk7z.net Tue Mar 20 14:55:00 2018 From: dave at nk7z.net (Dave Cole (NK7Z)) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2018 11:55:00 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Transferring Macros between P3s Message-ID: <547cfda0-36f2-e4a7-174b-a6f9ccbc2d8b@nk7z.net> Hi, Is it possible to transfer a macro set on my P3, I have to a friends P3 using a memory stick? One example mught be if I copy my setup to a stick, and I dump it to a different P3 on a different radio? Is there a better way to get the macros from my P3 to a friend's P3? -- 73s and thanks, Dave NK7Z https://www.nk7z.net From ebasilier at cox.net Tue Mar 20 15:09:10 2018 From: ebasilier at cox.net (Erik Basilier) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2018 12:09:10 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] DMM In-Reply-To: References: <001901d3bfd4$117c09f0$34741dd0$@gmx.net> Message-ID: <021101d3c07e$edccca70$c9665f50$@cox.net> Generally I agree with the idea that it is best to buy quality and only pay once. If you work with the item all the time, there is no doubt at all. However, for amateur use the same often applies only if one views the deal over many years. One should ask oneself whether the high-priced "quality" item is really built to be used for decades. One risk is technical obsolescence. If the item is all about the latest hot technology, that is a significant issue. Someone may consider a Bird 43 to be obsolete, but personally I don't. Another risk is whether the item might deteriorate physically over decades. Maybe a Fluke will not, and we have seen some testimonials of old Fluke meters aging well. But consider my own precautionary tale: Over 40 years ago, my professional experience told me that Keithley made very accurate, quality equipment. For personal use I bought a new Keithley 128 DMM, which indeed worked very well for a long time. However, about a decade ago the latch broke on the little door for adjustment access. Apparently, the plastic had aged and become brittle. The battery door latch looks similar, and I figured it could break anytime. Or some other plastic part could break. Now the Keithley sits mostly unused and is supposedly there only for when I want to confirm a reading taken by my $30 DMM. Never mind the fact that battery replacements will be needed, threatening plastic breakage, if I want to use the meter at all. Hmm... I think I haven't used it for about 3 years... and then I had to change the battery... OK, I got 30 years of reliable use for the high initial investment, so it was still a good deal. But where plastic is involved, buying top quality is not a given. Certainly, my Birds with their metal construction make the Keithley look bad. 73, Erik K7TV -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP Sent: Monday, March 19, 2018 9:26 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] DMM I have used numerous cheap meters (now I am playing with a pen-type meter I got from China for $23). They work, are usually relatively accurate, and have more features than most of us will use. But one thing I've noticed is that they take a longer time to take a measurement than the Fluke 79III that has served me well since time immemorial. I worked as a mechanic for a while, and the difference between good tools and almost-good tools may be subtle. But when you have a wrench in your hand all day, you understand why the astronomical prices of (for example) Snap-On tools are totally justified. The same goes for meters. 73, Victor, 4X6GP Rehovot, Israel Formerly K2VCO http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/ On 20 Mar 2018 00:46, Bob DeHaney wrote: > There are a lot of used Flukes on EBay, maybe not the latest model, > but for us perfect. That's where I bought mine, the price is right too. > > VY 73 de Bob DJ0RD/WU5T ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ebasilier at cox.net From lists at subich.com Tue Mar 20 15:24:41 2018 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2018 15:24:41 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Transferring Macros between P3s In-Reply-To: <547cfda0-36f2-e4a7-174b-a6f9ccbc2d8b@nk7z.net> References: <547cfda0-36f2-e4a7-174b-a6f9ccbc2d8b@nk7z.net> Message-ID: P3 Utility? 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 3/20/2018 2:55 PM, Dave Cole (NK7Z) wrote: > Hi, > > Is it possible to transfer a macro set on my P3, I have to a friends P3 > using a memory stick?? One example mught be if I copy my setup to a > stick, and I dump it to a different P3 on a different radio?? Is there a > better way to get the macros from my P3 to a friend's P3? > From lightdazzled at gmail.com Tue Mar 20 15:51:18 2018 From: lightdazzled at gmail.com (Chip Stratton) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2018 15:51:18 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] DMM In-Reply-To: <021101d3c07e$edccca70$c9665f50$@cox.net> References: <001901d3bfd4$117c09f0$34741dd0$@gmx.net> <021101d3c07e$edccca70$c9665f50$@cox.net> Message-ID: Many years ago I bought a Fluke 8060A DMM. It was indeed a fine instrument, and still sought after today by some for a couple of its unique features. However some 8 years later the LCD slowly faded to uselessness. I had a Fluke 39 power quality meter that suffered the same fate. And a Fluke Scopemeter 123 that for no apparent reason decided not to ever trigger again. All of these would have cost more than they were worth on the used market to send in to Fluke for repair. The point is, Fluke isn't fail-safe. I still have Fluke gear that I rely on. For regular and frequent use, you won't go wrong with them. However, for the hobby bench, where something may see far less use and abuse, and on non-lethal circuits, DMMs and other instruments that cost small fractions of the big name prices and often beat them on features make a lot of sense to me. They can be a crap shoot, but online reviews will usually weed out the bad stuff for you. Don't have the time to research but do have the money? Then go with Fluke et al, you won't go wrong. 73 Chip AE5KA On Tue, Mar 20, 2018 at 3:09 PM, Erik Basilier wrote: > Generally I agree with the idea that it is best to buy quality and only pay > once. If you work with the item all the time, there is no doubt at all. > However, for amateur use the same often applies only if one views the deal > over many years. One should ask oneself whether the high-priced "quality" > item is really built to be used for decades. One risk is technical > obsolescence. If the item is all about the latest hot technology, that is a > significant issue. Someone may consider a Bird 43 to be obsolete, but > personally I don't. Another risk is whether the item might deteriorate > physically over decades. Maybe a Fluke will not, and we have seen some > testimonials of old Fluke meters aging well. But consider my own > precautionary tale: > Over 40 years ago, my professional experience told me that Keithley made > very accurate, quality equipment. For personal use I bought a new Keithley > 128 DMM, which indeed worked very well for a long time. However, about a > decade ago the latch broke on the little door for adjustment access. > Apparently, the plastic had aged and become brittle. The battery door latch > looks similar, and I figured it could break anytime. Or some other plastic > part could break. Now the Keithley sits mostly unused and is supposedly > there only for when I want to confirm a reading taken by my $30 DMM. Never > mind the fact that battery replacements will be needed, threatening plastic > breakage, if I want to use the meter at all. Hmm... I think I haven't used > it for about 3 years... and then I had to change the battery... OK, I got > 30 > years of reliable use for the high initial investment, so it was still a > good deal. But where plastic is involved, buying top quality is not a > given. > Certainly, my Birds with their metal construction make the Keithley look > bad. > > 73, > Erik K7TV > > -----Original Message----- > From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net > On > Behalf Of Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP > Sent: Monday, March 19, 2018 9:26 PM > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] DMM > > > I have used numerous cheap meters (now I am playing with a pen-type meter I > got from China for $23). They work, are usually relatively accurate, and > have more features than most of us will use. But one thing I've noticed is > that they take a longer time to take a measurement than the Fluke 79III > that > has served me well since time immemorial. > > I worked as a mechanic for a while, and the difference between good tools > and almost-good tools may be subtle. But when you have a wrench in your > hand > all day, you understand why the astronomical prices of (for > example) Snap-On tools are totally justified. The same goes for meters. > > 73, > Victor, 4X6GP > Rehovot, Israel > Formerly K2VCO > http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/ > On 20 Mar 2018 00:46, Bob DeHaney wrote: > > There are a lot of used Flukes on EBay, maybe not the latest model, > > but for us perfect. That's where I bought mine, the price is right too. > > > > VY 73 de Bob DJ0RD/WU5T > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message > delivered to ebasilier at cox.net > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to lightdazzled at gmail.com > From c-hawley at illinois.edu Tue Mar 20 17:36:18 2018 From: c-hawley at illinois.edu (hawley, charles j jr) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2018 21:36:18 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] TX Monitor Directional Couplers? In-Reply-To: References: <276D3D6C9D5C8C4484211E9839FDE1AB49E4FD35@CITESMBX5.ad.uillinois.edu> <26b5acf1-677b-ad70-53f9-f69fe08be293@embarqmail.com>, Message-ID: <276D3D6C9D5C8C4484211E9839FDE1AB49E517BD@CITESMBX5.ad.uillinois.edu> I found the mod. Replace C5, 6, and 7 which were .01 uF with 470 uF SMD capacitors. Thanks for the replies, Chuck Hawley c-hawley at illinois.edu Amateur Radio, KE9UW aka Jack, BMW Motorcycles ________________________________________ From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] on behalf of Alan [n1al at sonic.net] Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2018 10:57 AM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] TX Monitor Directional Couplers? If you have an older coupler it will work fine for SWR and power measurements with the P3TXMON but the modulation waveform display will not show full bandwidth. Alan N1AL On 03/20/2018 07:33 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > Chuck, > > The later W2 couplers are the same as those for the P3TXMON, but the > ones for a time after the P3TXMON was introduced are different. > > The early ones will not work well with the P3TXMON. > > Sorry, but I cannot tell you when the changeover took place. > You will have to dig up that modification information and examine your > coupler to see if has the changes installed. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 3/20/2018 10:05 AM, hawley, charles j jr wrote: >> Are the directional couplers, the DCHF-xxxx, the same as the ones on >> the W2 wattmeter? I seem to remember something about modifying an >> existing directional coupler in the early days of the P3TXMON. >> If they are exactly the same do all the directional couplers ever >> sold, early ones and now later ones, work with the P3TXMON? ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to c-hawley at illinois.edu From wes_n7ws at triconet.org Tue Mar 20 18:14:17 2018 From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes Stewart) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2018 15:14:17 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Support question Message-ID: <7a4c5b10-fe98-581e-0cd5-b30e4555427b@triconet.org> Is it expecting too much to think that an email to K3support should at least be acknowledged as received after two days? Wes? N7WS From k9yeq at live.com Tue Mar 20 18:21:20 2018 From: k9yeq at live.com (Bill Johnson) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2018 22:21:20 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Support question In-Reply-To: <7a4c5b10-fe98-581e-0cd5-b30e4555427b@triconet.org> References: <7a4c5b10-fe98-581e-0cd5-b30e4555427b@triconet.org> Message-ID: No and I have not had the issue. I always get near same day unless on a weekend! :-) 73, Bill K9YEQ -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of Wes Stewart Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2018 5:14 PM To: Elecraft Reflector Subject: [Elecraft] Support question Is it expecting too much to think that an email to K3support should at least be acknowledged as received after two days? Wes? N7WS ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to k9yeq at live.com From c-hawley at illinois.edu Tue Mar 20 18:24:34 2018 From: c-hawley at illinois.edu (hawley, charles j jr) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2018 22:24:34 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] TX Monitor Directional Couplers? In-Reply-To: <276D3D6C9D5C8C4484211E9839FDE1AB49E517BD@CITESMBX5.ad.uillinois.edu> References: <276D3D6C9D5C8C4484211E9839FDE1AB49E4FD35@CITESMBX5.ad.uillinois.edu> <26b5acf1-677b-ad70-53f9-f69fe08be293@embarqmail.com>, , <276D3D6C9D5C8C4484211E9839FDE1AB49E517BD@CITESMBX5.ad.uillinois.edu> Message-ID: <276D3D6C9D5C8C4484211E9839FDE1AB49E51B3D@CITESMBX5.ad.uillinois.edu> Whoops! I meant 470 pF capacitors. Chuck Hawley c-hawley at illinois.edu Amateur Radio, KE9UW aka Jack, BMW Motorcycles ________________________________________ From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] on behalf of hawley, charles j jr [c-hawley at illinois.edu] Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2018 4:36 PM To: Alan; elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] TX Monitor Directional Couplers? I found the mod. Replace C5, 6, and 7 which were .01 uF with 470 uF SMD capacitors. Thanks for the replies, Chuck Hawley c-hawley at illinois.edu Amateur Radio, KE9UW aka Jack, BMW Motorcycles ________________________________________ From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] on behalf of Alan [n1al at sonic.net] Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2018 10:57 AM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] TX Monitor Directional Couplers? If you have an older coupler it will work fine for SWR and power measurements with the P3TXMON but the modulation waveform display will not show full bandwidth. Alan N1AL On 03/20/2018 07:33 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > Chuck, > > The later W2 couplers are the same as those for the P3TXMON, but the > ones for a time after the P3TXMON was introduced are different. > > The early ones will not work well with the P3TXMON. > > Sorry, but I cannot tell you when the changeover took place. > You will have to dig up that modification information and examine your > coupler to see if has the changes installed. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 3/20/2018 10:05 AM, hawley, charles j jr wrote: >> Are the directional couplers, the DCHF-xxxx, the same as the ones on >> the W2 wattmeter? I seem to remember something about modifying an >> existing directional coupler in the early days of the P3TXMON. >> If they are exactly the same do all the directional couplers ever >> sold, early ones and now later ones, work with the P3TXMON? ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to c-hawley at illinois.edu ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to c-hawley at illinois.edu From c-hawley at illinois.edu Tue Mar 20 18:29:08 2018 From: c-hawley at illinois.edu (hawley, charles j jr) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2018 22:29:08 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] DMM In-Reply-To: References: <001901d3bfd4$117c09f0$34741dd0$@gmx.net> <021101d3c07e$edccca70$c9665f50$@cox.net>, Message-ID: <276D3D6C9D5C8C4484211E9839FDE1AB49E51C8C@CITESMBX5.ad.uillinois.edu> We had a Fluke 8060A at the lab also. The display faded away and we got a kit to replace the display components. I don't remember if it cost us or if it was sort of a recall. Anyway they recognized the problem and provided a fix. It worked well after that. Chuck Hawley c-hawley at illinois.edu Amateur Radio, KE9UW aka Jack, BMW Motorcycles ________________________________________ From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] on behalf of Chip Stratton [lightdazzled at gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2018 2:51 PM Cc: Elecraft Reflector Subject: Re: [Elecraft] DMM Many years ago I bought a Fluke 8060A DMM. It was indeed a fine instrument, and still sought after today by some for a couple of its unique features. However some 8 years later the LCD slowly faded to uselessness. I had a Fluke 39 power quality meter that suffered the same fate. And a Fluke Scopemeter 123 that for no apparent reason decided not to ever trigger again. All of these would have cost more than they were worth on the used market to send in to Fluke for repair. The point is, Fluke isn't fail-safe. I still have Fluke gear that I rely on. For regular and frequent use, you won't go wrong with them. However, for the hobby bench, where something may see far less use and abuse, and on non-lethal circuits, DMMs and other instruments that cost small fractions of the big name prices and often beat them on features make a lot of sense to me. They can be a crap shoot, but online reviews will usually weed out the bad stuff for you. Don't have the time to research but do have the money? Then go with Fluke et al, you won't go wrong. 73 Chip AE5KA On Tue, Mar 20, 2018 at 3:09 PM, Erik Basilier wrote: > Generally I agree with the idea that it is best to buy quality and only pay > once. If you work with the item all the time, there is no doubt at all. > However, for amateur use the same often applies only if one views the deal > over many years. One should ask oneself whether the high-priced "quality" > item is really built to be used for decades. One risk is technical > obsolescence. If the item is all about the latest hot technology, that is a > significant issue. Someone may consider a Bird 43 to be obsolete, but > personally I don't. Another risk is whether the item might deteriorate > physically over decades. Maybe a Fluke will not, and we have seen some > testimonials of old Fluke meters aging well. But consider my own > precautionary tale: > Over 40 years ago, my professional experience told me that Keithley made > very accurate, quality equipment. For personal use I bought a new Keithley > 128 DMM, which indeed worked very well for a long time. However, about a > decade ago the latch broke on the little door for adjustment access. > Apparently, the plastic had aged and become brittle. The battery door latch > looks similar, and I figured it could break anytime. Or some other plastic > part could break. Now the Keithley sits mostly unused and is supposedly > there only for when I want to confirm a reading taken by my $30 DMM. Never > mind the fact that battery replacements will be needed, threatening plastic > breakage, if I want to use the meter at all. Hmm... I think I haven't used > it for about 3 years... and then I had to change the battery... OK, I got > 30 > years of reliable use for the high initial investment, so it was still a > good deal. But where plastic is involved, buying top quality is not a > given. > Certainly, my Birds with their metal construction make the Keithley look > bad. > > 73, > Erik K7TV > > -----Original Message----- > From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net > On > Behalf Of Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP > Sent: Monday, March 19, 2018 9:26 PM > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] DMM > > > I have used numerous cheap meters (now I am playing with a pen-type meter I > got from China for $23). They work, are usually relatively accurate, and > have more features than most of us will use. But one thing I've noticed is > that they take a longer time to take a measurement than the Fluke 79III > that > has served me well since time immemorial. > > I worked as a mechanic for a while, and the difference between good tools > and almost-good tools may be subtle. But when you have a wrench in your > hand > all day, you understand why the astronomical prices of (for > example) Snap-On tools are totally justified. The same goes for meters. > > 73, > Victor, 4X6GP > Rehovot, Israel > Formerly K2VCO > http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/ > On 20 Mar 2018 00:46, Bob DeHaney wrote: > > There are a lot of used Flukes on EBay, maybe not the latest model, > > but for us perfect. That's where I bought mine, the price is right too. > > > > VY 73 de Bob DJ0RD/WU5T > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message > delivered to ebasilier at cox.net > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to lightdazzled at gmail.com > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to c-hawley at illinois.edu From n6kr at elecraft.com Tue Mar 20 18:56:59 2018 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2018 15:56:59 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Support question In-Reply-To: <7a4c5b10-fe98-581e-0cd5-b30e4555427b@triconet.org> References: <7a4c5b10-fe98-581e-0cd5-b30e4555427b@triconet.org> Message-ID: > Wes Stewart wrote: > > Is it expecting too much to think that an email to K3support should at least be acknowledged as received after two days? Yes. I believe the email in question was sent to me, and I?ll be responding shortly. 73, Wayne N6KR From k6dgw at foothill.net Tue Mar 20 19:09:48 2018 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2018 16:09:48 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] FP switches Message-ID: <3ba754c8-11e3-10fe-e84e-eb95f895ee1e@foothill.net> I have a very early K3 [#642).? After several years, the FP switches started to get a little unpredictable ... AGC might cause some other unrelated action.? I had been controlling the radio from the computer much of the time, something I've now stopped.? I've found that repeated exercise of the switches seems to have rectified the previous behavior, and those I rarely if ever use [e.g. RX ANT, ANT] still exhibit the anomaly.** I suspect these are sealed membrane-type switches, probably integral with the front panel PCB?? The radio works fine.? I'm a bit reluctant to disassemble the FP, it's been so long I can't remember if I had to originally assemble it or it came as a unit. Anybody know if this is repairable? 73, Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW Sparks NV DM09dn Washoe County **Anomaly [ahh-NOM-ahh-lee: n. ] A term used by NASA to describe any unusual event or condition, such as a sticky switch or the rocket landing pointy end down, in the desert outside of Phoenix. From wes_n7ws at triconet.org Tue Mar 20 19:15:50 2018 From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes Stewart) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2018 16:15:50 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Support question In-Reply-To: References: <7a4c5b10-fe98-581e-0cd5-b30e4555427b@triconet.org> Message-ID: It was also sent to K3support at elecraft.com.? Is that not a good address? On 3/20/2018 3:56 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: >> Wes Stewart wrote: >> >> Is it expecting too much to think that an email to K3support should at least be acknowledged as received after two days? > > Yes. I believe the email in question was sent to me, and I?ll be responding shortly. > > 73, > Wayne > N6KR > > > From tony.kaz at verizon.net Tue Mar 20 19:18:36 2018 From: tony.kaz at verizon.net (N2TK, Tony) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2018 19:18:36 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3: CM500 vs. SB40 Message-ID: <023e01d3c0a1$c6358420$52a08c60$@verizon.net> I have been using a Yamaha CM500 for a few years and have been very happy with it. I just bought a Koss SB40 as a backup. The Koss looks like the Yamaha except the Koss doesn't use a biased mike element. With the Koss I had to go to FP.H. Also my breath trips the Vox but I have to have the mike gain and Vox gain quite a bit higher than the Yamaha to get similar output for both mikes. I do have a somewhat bassier voice. My transmit equalizer is -16 -16 -7 0 0 +4 +10 0 Any thoughts or comments? Thanks N2TK, Tony From cathrowinternational at hotmail.com Tue Mar 20 19:20:22 2018 From: cathrowinternational at hotmail.com (Jeff Cathrow) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2018 23:20:22 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Appropriate DXE sequencer delay times for NCC-1, receive preamp, K3, KPA500 Message-ID: Setting up a DXE NCC-1 noise/phasing unit with my K-line and a simple amplified receive (noise) antenna and need to confirm the right delays for the various parts of the system. Here are the typical delay times indicated for the DXE TVSU-1 sequencer for solid-state gear: PTT: 10ms (VOX will never be used as per the DXE manual) CW: 10ms (won't be using CW mode except for tuning up) I operate SSB only. AUX: 0 ms (T/R switching) PREAMP: 20ms (using a DXE RPA-1 with 102" vertical wire) LINEAR: 16ms (is this fine for the KPA500?) The receive (noise pickup) antenna will be more than 1/10th wavelength from my closest xmit antenna and actually close to 1/4 wavelength away but I often run 600 watts to both of my HF verticals. If anyone knows the best or recommended delay times for Elecraft gear I'm all ears---hope to get this up and running before the CQ WW this weekend. 73, Jeff, NH7RO From n6kr at elecraft.com Tue Mar 20 19:22:23 2018 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2018 16:22:23 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Regarding K3/K3S "Power creep" Message-ID: There were a couple of recent reports of slow convergence on the operator?s target power level, AKA "power creep.? Assuming that the operator has done a TX GAIN calibration on a given band, ?power creep? on that band is probably due to higher than normal drive requirements. In such cases, a much larger DAC count may be required to hit full power, making granularity finer. The ALC will then take longer to converge. We could attempt to converge faster, but slow convergence is safer under the circumstances, and should alert the operator to look into the issue. If the rig?s current drain isn?t excessive at the target power level, then a workaround is to do a TUNE after changing the PWR setting. As to the reasons for higher drive on one band, here are some possibilities: 1. very low load impedance seen by the PA (resulting in higher TX current) 2. mis-tuned band-pass filter 3. problem with band-pass or low-pass filter component 4. lower PA efficiency due to transformer leakage inductance, etc. (rare) If you?ve experienced this and have further questions, please contact me directly. 73, Wayne N6KR From n6kr at elecraft.com Tue Mar 20 19:23:43 2018 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2018 16:23:43 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Support question In-Reply-To: References: <7a4c5b10-fe98-581e-0cd5-b30e4555427b@triconet.org> Message-ID: <08DAF52A-E963-40ED-BF1D-A1718EFD6CD8@elecraft.com> Yes, that?s a good address. What I meant was that the email was forwarded to me by CS. Wayne > On Mar 20, 2018, at 4:15 PM, Wes Stewart wrote: > > It was also sent to K3support at elecraft.com. Is that not a good address? > > On 3/20/2018 3:56 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: >>> Wes Stewart wrote: >>> >>> Is it expecting too much to think that an email to K3support should at least be acknowledged as received after two days? >> >> Yes. I believe the email in question was sent to me, and I?ll be responding shortly. >> >> 73, >> Wayne >> N6KR >> >> >> > From n6kr at elecraft.com Tue Mar 20 19:26:06 2018 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2018 16:26:06 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] FP switches In-Reply-To: <3ba754c8-11e3-10fe-e84e-eb95f895ee1e@foothill.net> References: <3ba754c8-11e3-10fe-e84e-eb95f895ee1e@foothill.net> Message-ID: Hi Fred, The switches are replaceable. Please contact support. 73, Wayne N6KR > On Mar 20, 2018, at 4:09 PM, Fred Jensen wrote: > > I have a very early K3 [#642). After several years, the FP switches started to get a little unpredictable ... AGC might cause some other unrelated action. I had been controlling the radio from the computer much of the time, something I've now stopped. I've found that repeated exercise of the switches seems to have rectified the previous behavior, and those I rarely if ever use [e.g. RX ANT, ANT] still exhibit the anomaly.** > > I suspect these are sealed membrane-type switches, probably integral with the front panel PCB? The radio works fine. I'm a bit reluctant to disassemble the FP, it's been so long I can't remember if I had to originally assemble it or it came as a unit. Anybody know if this is repairable? > > 73, > > Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW > Sparks NV DM09dn > Washoe County > > **Anomaly [ahh-NOM-ahh-lee: n. ] A term used by NASA to describe any unusual event or condition, such as a sticky switch or the rocket landing pointy end down, in the desert outside of Phoenix. > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n6kr at elecraft.com From donwilh at embarqmail.com Tue Mar 20 19:28:06 2018 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2018 19:28:06 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] FP switches In-Reply-To: <3ba754c8-11e3-10fe-e84e-eb95f895ee1e@foothill.net> References: <3ba754c8-11e3-10fe-e84e-eb95f895ee1e@foothill.net> Message-ID: <6a79bf32-bddd-fb40-d621-681a3dc010b7@embarqmail.com> Skip, It is common (but not too frequent) for switches to develop a bit of sluggishness if they are not used much. Just how much depends on the environment they live in. Often they can be restored to 'like new' simply by exercising the switch - maybe 40 to 50 times. I don't think those pushbutton switches are completely hermetically sealed. Most of my experience is with the K2 where similar pushbutton problems sometimes show up (again, not often even on 20 year old K2s), and more frequently than not, repeated exercise of the switch will cure it. For repair, you replace the entire membrane assembly. Not terribly difficult, but then the amount of difficulty is in the eye (and hands) of the beholder. See the K3 Assembly Manual and reverse the relevant assembly steps. 73, Don W3FPR On 3/20/2018 7:09 PM, Fred Jensen wrote: > I have a very early K3 [#642).? After several years, the FP switches > started to get a little unpredictable ... AGC might cause some other > unrelated action.? I had been controlling the radio from the computer > much of the time, something I've now stopped.? I've found that repeated > exercise of the switches seems to have rectified the previous behavior, > and those I rarely if ever use [e.g. RX ANT, ANT] still exhibit the > anomaly.** > > I suspect these are sealed membrane-type switches, probably integral > with the front panel PCB?? The radio works fine.? I'm a bit reluctant to > disassemble the FP, it's been so long I can't remember if I had to > originally assemble it or it came as a unit. Anybody know if this is > repairable? From donwilh at embarqmail.com Tue Mar 20 19:30:19 2018 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2018 19:30:19 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Support question In-Reply-To: References: <7a4c5b10-fe98-581e-0cd5-b30e4555427b@triconet.org> Message-ID: Wes, Since it was sent to both Wayne and Support, if Wayne answers, the support team may (or may not) also respond. 73, Don W3FPR On 3/20/2018 7:15 PM, Wes Stewart wrote: > It was also sent to K3support at elecraft.com.? Is that not a good address? > > On 3/20/2018 3:56 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: >>> Wes Stewart wrote: >>> >>> Is it expecting too much to think that an email to K3support should >>> at least be acknowledged as received after two days? >> >> Yes. I believe the email in question was sent to me, and I?ll be >> responding shortly. >> >> 73, >> Wayne >> N6KR From k6ll.dave at gmail.com Tue Mar 20 19:30:44 2018 From: k6ll.dave at gmail.com (Dave Hachadorian) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2018 16:30:44 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3: CM500 vs. SB40 In-Reply-To: <023e01d3c0a1$c6358420$52a08c60$@verizon.net> References: <023e01d3c0a1$c6358420$52a08c60$@verizon.net> Message-ID: <9A862635E05A4F9FA3EB35C7737539E3@Toshiba> The SB-40, with its dynamic mic element, has a lot of bad reviews on Amazon regarding mic audio quality, so I never have tried it. The Koss SB-45 on the other hand, with its electret element, sounds great, and is very comfortable and affordable. I prefer it over my Yamaha CM500 because it has a nice padded headband that doesn't abrade my bald head like the rough webbing on the CM500. So how is the SB-40 working for you? Are you happy with the sound in the monitor, and with on the air reports? Dave Hachadorian, K6LL Yuma, AZ -----Original Message----- From: N2TK, Tony Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2018 4:18 PM To: 'Elecraft Reflector' Subject: [Elecraft] K3: CM500 vs. SB40 I have been using a Yamaha CM500 for a few years and have been very happy with it. I just bought a Koss SB40 as a backup. The Koss looks like the Yamaha except the Koss doesn't use a biased mike element. With the Koss I had to go to FP.H. Also my breath trips the Vox but I have to have the mike gain and Vox gain quite a bit higher than the Yamaha to get similar output for both mikes. I do have a somewhat bassier voice. My transmit equalizer is -16 -16 -7 0 0 +4 +10 0 Any thoughts or comments? Thanks N2TK, Tony ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to k6ll.dave at gmail.com From donwilh at embarqmail.com Tue Mar 20 19:32:21 2018 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2018 19:32:21 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3: CM500 vs. SB40 In-Reply-To: <023e01d3c0a1$c6358420$52a08c60$@verizon.net> References: <023e01d3c0a1$c6358420$52a08c60$@verizon.net> Message-ID: Tony, You might want to try the noise gate menu. 73, Don W3FPR On 3/20/2018 7:18 PM, N2TK, Tony wrote: > I have been using a Yamaha CM500 for a few years and have been very happy > with it. I just bought a Koss SB40 as a backup. The Koss looks like the > Yamaha except the Koss doesn't use a biased mike element. With the Koss I > had to go to FP.H. Also my breath trips the Vox but I have to have the mike > gain and Vox gain quite a bit higher than the Yamaha to get similar output > for both mikes. I do have a somewhat bassier voice. > From lists at subich.com Tue Mar 20 19:39:31 2018 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2018 19:39:31 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3: CM500 vs. SB40 In-Reply-To: <023e01d3c0a1$c6358420$52a08c60$@verizon.net> References: <023e01d3c0a1$c6358420$52a08c60$@verizon.net> Message-ID: > My transmit equalizer is > > -16 > -16 > -7 > 0 > 0 > +4 > +10 > 0 > > Any thoughts or comments? +4 at 1600 Hz and +10 at 2400 Hz are rather aggressive and may contribute to the excess sensitivity to breath sounds. I'd be looking at +3, +5 (which represents 3 db/octave) or +2, +3 (close to 2 dB/octave) instead of the almost 6 db/octave your settings represent. Even the most aggressive of the "articulated" (aka, "DX") mics don't have more than 6 or 7 dB boost at 3 KHz. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 3/20/2018 7:18 PM, N2TK, Tony wrote: > I have been using a Yamaha CM500 for a few years and have been very happy > with it. I just bought a Koss SB40 as a backup. The Koss looks like the > Yamaha except the Koss doesn't use a biased mike element. With the Koss I > had to go to FP.H. Also my breath trips the Vox but I have to have the mike > gain and Vox gain quite a bit higher than the Yamaha to get similar output > for both mikes. I do have a somewhat bassier voice. > > My transmit equalizer is > > -16 > > -16 > > -7 > > 0 > > 0 > > +4 > > +10 > > 0 > > > > Any thoughts or comments? > > Thanks > > N2TK, Tony > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to lists at subich.com > From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Tue Mar 20 20:09:35 2018 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2018 17:09:35 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] DMM In-Reply-To: References: <001901d3bfd4$117c09f0$34741dd0$@gmx.net> <021101d3c07e$edccca70$c9665f50$@cox.net> Message-ID: On 3/20/2018 12:51 PM, Chip Stratton wrote: > Many years ago I bought a Fluke 8060A DMM. It was indeed a fine instrument, > and still sought after today by some for a couple of its unique features. > However some 8 years later the LCD slowly faded to uselessness. I have two of them, and both had that problem.? A friend who's better on the bench than I took them apart and cleaned them up. Both are like new.? I bought both used about 20 years ago. > And a Fluke Scopemeter 123 Have a top of the line Scopemeter for which I paid $2k? about 20 years ago. it ate batteries if you didn't use it a lot, and I didn't use it a lot (but it was indispensible for a very important project for which I used it). Fluke charged a lot to replace them. Then it fell, not very hard, and broke the power connector. Simple thing, right?? It hasn't worked since, two friends have attempted to get it going, without success. So it's now a paperweight. 73, Jim K9YC From k6dgw at foothill.net Tue Mar 20 20:16:14 2018 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2018 17:16:14 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] FP switches In-Reply-To: References: <3ba754c8-11e3-10fe-e84e-eb95f895ee1e@foothill.net> Message-ID: <4bc4bf5b-eace-315d-f60a-d4176655ca73@foothill.net> I currently have an inoperative left shoulder [I'm left-handed [:-(( ] which the VA is working on, and Don, W3FPR, has answered my question ... exercising the switches does seem to correct the problem. I'm not up to replacing the switches right now, so I'm not going to bother Esupport.? I've also found that very positive "PUSH" instead of tentative "TAP" seems to aid in the problem correction. DON:? My K2 operates only in summer, outside, and I've had no switch issues with it. 73, Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW Sparks NV DM09dn Washoe County On 3/20/2018 4:26 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > Hi Fred, > > The switches are replaceable. Please contact support. > > 73, > Wayne > N6KR > From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Tue Mar 20 20:19:42 2018 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2018 17:19:42 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3: CM500 vs. SB40 In-Reply-To: <023e01d3c0a1$c6358420$52a08c60$@verizon.net> References: <023e01d3c0a1$c6358420$52a08c60$@verizon.net> Message-ID: On 3/20/2018 4:18 PM, N2TK, Tony wrote: > Also my breath trips the Vox but I have to have the mike > gain and Vox gain quite a bit higher than the Yamaha to get similar output > for both mikes. That makes me suspect that the mic is a cardioid, which is essentially a "half-sphere" directional mic. This generic mic type suffers from proximity effect, which boosts low-frequency sounds that are close to it. Breathe is a low-frequency sound. There is no proximity effect at right angles to the diaphragm of a cardioid, so if you want to continue using it, orient it that way and place it several inches above and to the side of your mouth. You may need to turn up the gain. Several days ago, I posted recommended starting EQ settings. You might want to refer to that post. Or maybe not try to put lipstick on the pig, and take K6LL's very good advice. 73, Jim K9YC From whiskey7ee at gmail.com Tue Mar 20 20:32:47 2018 From: whiskey7ee at gmail.com (Gary Watson) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2018 18:32:47 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] KAT100-1 and 2 Discontinued Message-ID: This may be old news, I searched and didn't see anything about it. I was looking at the Shipping Status page and noticed they had discontinued the tuner. They still have the KPA100 for sale, but without the tuner it's seems it won't be long before they discontinue the 100 watt amp. The K2 kit is on back order due to a high volume of orders so if you want one it may be a good time to get on the list. Makes me glad I was able to build the entire K2/100 and KAT100-2 and all the optional boards. What a great radio. I like to listen to this rig more then my K3 on CW. It just has a pleasing tone. All good things must come to an end I suppose. W7EE From dave at nk7z.net Tue Mar 20 21:02:00 2018 From: dave at nk7z.net (Dave Cole (NK7Z)) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2018 18:02:00 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Transferring Macros between P3s In-Reply-To: References: <547cfda0-36f2-e4a7-174b-a6f9ccbc2d8b@nk7z.net> Message-ID: <6347240c-67c7-f2e3-de2a-692cdecaab91@nk7z.net> Not that I can find... Darn... Thanks for the thought Joe. 73s and thanks, Dave NK7Z https://www.nk7z.net On 03/20/2018 12:24 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: > > P3 Utility? > > > 73, > > ?? ... Joe, W4TV > > > On 3/20/2018 2:55 PM, Dave Cole (NK7Z) wrote: >> Hi, >> >> Is it possible to transfer a macro set on my P3, I have to a friends >> P3 using a memory stick?? One example mught be if I copy my setup to a >> stick, and I dump it to a different P3 on a different radio?? Is there >> a better way to get the macros from my P3 to a friend's P3? >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dave at nk7z.net From donwilh at embarqmail.com Tue Mar 20 21:33:03 2018 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2018 21:33:03 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KAT100-1 and 2 Discontinued In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Gary and all, The KAT100-1 is still available, it was the EC2 enclosure which was discontinued, and that is the reason the KAT100-2 was also discontinued. You cannot build the KAT100-2 without the enclosure. 73, Don W3FPR On 3/20/2018 8:32 PM, Gary Watson wrote: > This may be old news, I searched and didn't see anything about it. > > I was looking at the Shipping Status page and noticed they had discontinued > the tuner. They still have the KPA100 for sale, but without the tuner it's > seems it won't be long before they discontinue the 100 watt amp. > > The K2 kit is on back order due to a high volume of orders so if you want > one it may be a good time to get on the list. > > Makes me glad I was able to build the entire K2/100 and KAT100-2 and all > the optional boards. > > What a great radio. I like to listen to this rig more then my K3 on CW. > It just has a pleasing tone. > > All good things must come to an end I suppose. > > W7EE > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to donwilh at embarqmail.com > From tony.kaz at verizon.net Tue Mar 20 21:48:23 2018 From: tony.kaz at verizon.net (N2TK, Tony) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2018 21:48:23 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3: CM500 vs. SB40 In-Reply-To: References: <023e01d3c0a1$c6358420$52a08c60$@verizon.net> Message-ID: <033301d3c0b6$b2e3a2c0$18aae840$@verizon.net> Hi Don, Tnx for input. No noise in shack. The noise gate did not make any difference. 73, N2TK, Tony -----Original Message----- From: Don Wilhelm [mailto:donwilh at embarqmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2018 7:32 PM To: N2TK, Tony ; 'Elecraft Reflector' Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3: CM500 vs. SB40 Tony, You might want to try the noise gate menu. 73, Don W3FPR On 3/20/2018 7:18 PM, N2TK, Tony wrote: > I have been using a Yamaha CM500 for a few years and have been very > happy with it. I just bought a Koss SB40 as a backup. The Koss looks > like the Yamaha except the Koss doesn't use a biased mike element. > With the Koss I had to go to FP.H. Also my breath trips the Vox but I > have to have the mike gain and Vox gain quite a bit higher than the > Yamaha to get similar output for both mikes. I do have a somewhat bassier voice. > From tony.kaz at verizon.net Tue Mar 20 21:50:24 2018 From: tony.kaz at verizon.net (N2TK, Tony) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2018 21:50:24 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3: CM500 vs. SB40 In-Reply-To: <9A862635E05A4F9FA3EB35C7737539E3@Toshiba> References: <023e01d3c0a1$c6358420$52a08c60$@verizon.net> <9A862635E05A4F9FA3EB35C7737539E3@Toshiba> Message-ID: <033501d3c0b6$fb078030$f1168090$@verizon.net> Hi Dave, Tnx for the input. The SB-40 looks and feels like the CM-500 but it doesn't play like it. The CM-500 sounds better in the monitor and gives better (more piercing ) audio reports. Going to get the SB-45 to try. 73, N2TK, Tony -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Dave Hachadorian Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2018 7:31 PM To: Reflector Elecraft Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3: CM500 vs. SB40 The SB-40, with its dynamic mic element, has a lot of bad reviews on Amazon regarding mic audio quality, so I never have tried it. The Koss SB-45 on the other hand, with its electret element, sounds great, and is very comfortable and affordable. I prefer it over my Yamaha CM500 because it has a nice padded headband that doesn't abrade my bald head like the rough webbing on the CM500. So how is the SB-40 working for you? Are you happy with the sound in the monitor, and with on the air reports? Dave Hachadorian, K6LL Yuma, AZ -----Original Message----- From: N2TK, Tony Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2018 4:18 PM To: 'Elecraft Reflector' Subject: [Elecraft] K3: CM500 vs. SB40 I have been using a Yamaha CM500 for a few years and have been very happy with it. I just bought a Koss SB40 as a backup. The Koss looks like the Yamaha except the Koss doesn't use a biased mike element. With the Koss I had to go to FP.H. Also my breath trips the Vox but I have to have the mike gain and Vox gain quite a bit higher than the Yamaha to get similar output for both mikes. I do have a somewhat bassier voice. My transmit equalizer is -16 -16 -7 0 0 +4 +10 0 Any thoughts or comments? Thanks N2TK, Tony ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to k6ll.dave at gmail.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to tony.kaz at verizon.net From tony.kaz at verizon.net Tue Mar 20 21:52:46 2018 From: tony.kaz at verizon.net (N2TK, Tony) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2018 21:52:46 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3: CM500 vs. SB40 In-Reply-To: References: <023e01d3c0a1$c6358420$52a08c60$@verizon.net> Message-ID: <033701d3c0b7$4f5b7ba0$ee1272e0$@verizon.net> Joe, Tnx for the input. I made the changes to the transmit equalizer. But still the CM-500 sounds better. Thank goodness the SB-40 is cheap enough to put to the side. 73, N2TK, Tony -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Joe Subich, W4TV Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2018 7:40 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3: CM500 vs. SB40 > My transmit equalizer is > > -16 > -16 > -7 > 0 > 0 > +4 > +10 > 0 > > Any thoughts or comments? +4 at 1600 Hz and +10 at 2400 Hz are rather aggressive and may contribute to the excess sensitivity to breath sounds. I'd be looking at +3, +5 (which represents 3 db/octave) or +2, +3 (close to 2 dB/octave) instead of the almost 6 db/octave your settings represent. Even the most aggressive of the "articulated" (aka, "DX") mics don't have more than 6 or 7 dB boost at 3 KHz. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 3/20/2018 7:18 PM, N2TK, Tony wrote: > I have been using a Yamaha CM500 for a few years and have been very > happy with it. I just bought a Koss SB40 as a backup. The Koss looks > like the Yamaha except the Koss doesn't use a biased mike element. > With the Koss I had to go to FP.H. Also my breath trips the Vox but I > have to have the mike gain and Vox gain quite a bit higher than the > Yamaha to get similar output for both mikes. I do have a somewhat bassier voice. > > My transmit equalizer is > > -16 > > -16 > > -7 > > 0 > > 0 > > +4 > > +10 > > 0 > > > > Any thoughts or comments? > > Thanks > > N2TK, Tony > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > lists at subich.com > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to tony.kaz at verizon.net From tony.kaz at verizon.net Tue Mar 20 21:54:34 2018 From: tony.kaz at verizon.net (N2TK, Tony) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2018 21:54:34 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3: CM500 vs. SB40 In-Reply-To: References: <023e01d3c0a1$c6358420$52a08c60$@verizon.net> Message-ID: <033801d3c0b7$8fb665c0$af233140$@verizon.net> Jim, Based on the input here and the results I am getting I don't think it is wise to spend more time with the headset. Tnx for the input. N2TK, Tony -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jim Brown Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2018 8:20 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3: CM500 vs. SB40 On 3/20/2018 4:18 PM, N2TK, Tony wrote: > Also my breath trips the Vox but I have to have the mike gain and Vox > gain quite a bit higher than the Yamaha to get similar output for both > mikes. That makes me suspect that the mic is a cardioid, which is essentially a "half-sphere" directional mic. This generic mic type suffers from proximity effect, which boosts low-frequency sounds that are close to it. Breathe is a low-frequency sound. There is no proximity effect at right angles to the diaphragm of a cardioid, so if you want to continue using it, orient it that way and place it several inches above and to the side of your mouth. You may need to turn up the gain. Several days ago, I posted recommended starting EQ settings. You might want to refer to that post. Or maybe not try to put lipstick on the pig, and take K6LL's very good advice. 73, Jim K9YC ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to tony.kaz at verizon.net From gwwa5uih at hotmail.com Tue Mar 20 22:10:08 2018 From: gwwa5uih at hotmail.com (George Winship, NC5G) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2018 19:10:08 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] KAT100-1 and 2 Discontinued In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1521598208155-0.post@n2.nabble.com> I hope you are right, Don. The shipping status page shows both the 1 and 2 discontinued. And neither one is on the order page. I built my K2 in 2001 and later added the amp, KAT100, etc. It has been one of the most fun things that I have done in this hobby. And it is still the main radio in the shack. 73, George NC5G -- Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ From donwilh at embarqmail.com Tue Mar 20 23:54:27 2018 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2018 23:54:27 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KAT100-1 and 2 Discontinued In-Reply-To: <1521598208155-0.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1521598208155-0.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: I will contact the folks at Elecraft tomorrow to see why the KAT100-1 has disappeared from the website. Perhaps it was an error. 73, Don W3FPR On 3/20/2018 10:10 PM, George Winship, NC5G wrote: > > > > > I hope you are right, Don. The shipping status page shows both the 1 and 2 > discontinued. And neither one is on the order page. > > I built my K2 in 2001 and later added the amp, KAT100, etc. It has been one > of the most fun things that I have done in this hobby. And it is still the > main radio in the shack. > > 73, George NC5G > > > > -- > Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to donwilh at embarqmail.com > From donwilh at embarqmail.com Wed Mar 21 00:06:41 2018 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2018 00:06:41 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KAT100-1 and 2 Discontinued In-Reply-To: <1521598208155-0.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1521598208155-0.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <359f1dfa-f375-73fe-7442-bc7ef4ff3327@embarqmail.com> The KAT100-1 is still shown on the Products page. 73, Don W3FPR On 3/20/2018 10:10 PM, George Winship, NC5G wrote: > > > > > I hope you are right, Don. The shipping status page shows both the 1 and 2 > discontinued. And neither one is on the order page. > > I built my K2 in 2001 and later added the amp, KAT100, etc. It has been one > of the most fun things that I have done in this hobby. And it is still the > main radio in the shack. > > 73, George NC5G > > > > -- > Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to donwilh at embarqmail.com > From kl7uw at acsalaska.net Wed Mar 21 00:56:41 2018 From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2018 20:56:41 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] K3: CM500 vs. SB40 Message-ID: <201803210456.w2L4uguX006177@mail42c28.carrierzone.com> I have a related question. Considering the CM500 (or similar) for use with my KX3 in outdoor conditions (windy beach or windy hilltop). Also I wear over the ear hearing aids so need a headset that has a muff the surrounds the ear. A headset sitting on my ear puts sound into the ear; hearing aid mic is behind my ear. Comfort is also important. I have a pair of stereo headsets made by Sony which have nice soft cushions that surround my ear (but no boom mic). So interested in opinions on different headsets with boom mic for outdoor use. 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com Dubus-NA Business mail: dubususa at gmail.com From wunder at wunderwood.org Wed Mar 21 01:04:41 2018 From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2018 22:04:41 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3: CM500 vs. SB40 In-Reply-To: <201803210456.w2L4uguX006177@mail42c28.carrierzone.com> References: <201803210456.w2L4uguX006177@mail42c28.carrierzone.com> Message-ID: The SB45 does appear to go around your ear. Another option is to add a boom mic to the headphones you like. The ModMic attaches to headphones. https://antlionaudio.com/ Interesting, one of their sales regions is ?Amateur Radio?. Here is a ModMic vendor that includes some mic adaptors. http://pileupdx.com/product-category/brands/antlion-modmic/ They are also available at B&H and Amazon. https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/buy/Shop-by-Brand-Antlion-Audio/ci/4/phd/3704379912/N/4294255798 https://www.amazon.com/l/11391726011 wunder K6WRU Walter Underwood CM87wj http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) > On Mar 20, 2018, at 9:56 PM, Edward R Cole wrote: > > I have a related question. Considering the CM500 (or similar) for use with my KX3 in outdoor conditions (windy beach or windy hilltop). > > Also I wear over the ear hearing aids so need a headset that has a muff the surrounds the ear. A headset sitting on my ear puts sound into the ear; hearing aid mic is behind my ear. Comfort is also important. I have a pair of stereo headsets made by Sony which have nice soft cushions that surround my ear (but no boom mic). > > So interested in opinions on different headsets with boom mic for outdoor use. > > 73, Ed - KL7UW > http://www.kl7uw.com > Dubus-NA Business mail: > dubususa at gmail.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wunder at wunderwood.org From ar at dseven.org Wed Mar 21 01:29:01 2018 From: ar at dseven.org (iain macdonnell - N6ML) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2018 22:29:01 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3: CM500 vs. SB40 In-Reply-To: References: <201803210456.w2L4uguX006177@mail42c28.carrierzone.com> Message-ID: Depends how big your ears are, I suppose... but for me, the CM500 is more comfortable - the SB45 opening is quite a bit smaller, and pinches my ears a bit. I also like the mesh band (CM500) better than the squishy one (SB45)... but I'm not bald... yet.... 73, ~iain / N6ML On Tue, Mar 20, 2018 at 10:04 PM, Walter Underwood wrote: > The SB45 does appear to go around your ear. > > Another option is to add a boom mic to the headphones you like. The ModMic attaches to headphones. > > https://antlionaudio.com/ > > Interesting, one of their sales regions is ?Amateur Radio?. Here is a ModMic vendor that includes some mic adaptors. > > http://pileupdx.com/product-category/brands/antlion-modmic/ > > They are also available at B&H and Amazon. > > https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/buy/Shop-by-Brand-Antlion-Audio/ci/4/phd/3704379912/N/4294255798 > https://www.amazon.com/l/11391726011 > > wunder > K6WRU > Walter Underwood > CM87wj > http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) > >> On Mar 20, 2018, at 9:56 PM, Edward R Cole wrote: >> >> I have a related question. Considering the CM500 (or similar) for use with my KX3 in outdoor conditions (windy beach or windy hilltop). >> >> Also I wear over the ear hearing aids so need a headset that has a muff the surrounds the ear. A headset sitting on my ear puts sound into the ear; hearing aid mic is behind my ear. Comfort is also important. I have a pair of stereo headsets made by Sony which have nice soft cushions that surround my ear (but no boom mic). >> >> So interested in opinions on different headsets with boom mic for outdoor use. >> >> 73, Ed - KL7UW >> http://www.kl7uw.com >> Dubus-NA Business mail: >> dubususa at gmail.com >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to wunder at wunderwood.org > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to ar at dseven.org From ar at dseven.org Wed Mar 21 01:40:04 2018 From: ar at dseven.org (iain macdonnell - N6ML) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2018 22:40:04 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3: CM500 vs. SB40 In-Reply-To: References: <201803210456.w2L4uguX006177@mail42c28.carrierzone.com> Message-ID: Comparison: https://pasteboard.co/HcSCnnK.jpg Yeah. I'm due for a new CM500. I thought I'd try the SB45, but don't really like it :/ 73, ~iain / N6ML On Tue, Mar 20, 2018 at 10:29 PM, iain macdonnell - N6ML wrote: > Depends how big your ears are, I suppose... but for me, the CM500 is > more comfortable - the SB45 opening is quite a bit smaller, and > pinches my ears a bit. I also like the mesh band (CM500) better than > the squishy one (SB45)... but I'm not bald... yet.... > > 73, > > ~iain / N6ML > > > > On Tue, Mar 20, 2018 at 10:04 PM, Walter Underwood > wrote: >> The SB45 does appear to go around your ear. >> >> Another option is to add a boom mic to the headphones you like. The ModMic attaches to headphones. >> >> https://antlionaudio.com/ >> >> Interesting, one of their sales regions is ?Amateur Radio?. Here is a ModMic vendor that includes some mic adaptors. >> >> http://pileupdx.com/product-category/brands/antlion-modmic/ >> >> They are also available at B&H and Amazon. >> >> https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/buy/Shop-by-Brand-Antlion-Audio/ci/4/phd/3704379912/N/4294255798 >> https://www.amazon.com/l/11391726011 >> >> wunder >> K6WRU >> Walter Underwood >> CM87wj >> http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) >> >>> On Mar 20, 2018, at 9:56 PM, Edward R Cole wrote: >>> >>> I have a related question. Considering the CM500 (or similar) for use with my KX3 in outdoor conditions (windy beach or windy hilltop). >>> >>> Also I wear over the ear hearing aids so need a headset that has a muff the surrounds the ear. A headset sitting on my ear puts sound into the ear; hearing aid mic is behind my ear. Comfort is also important. I have a pair of stereo headsets made by Sony which have nice soft cushions that surround my ear (but no boom mic). >>> >>> So interested in opinions on different headsets with boom mic for outdoor use. >>> >>> 73, Ed - KL7UW >>> http://www.kl7uw.com >>> Dubus-NA Business mail: >>> dubususa at gmail.com >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to wunder at wunderwood.org >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to ar at dseven.org From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Wed Mar 21 02:19:40 2018 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2018 23:19:40 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3: CM500 vs. SB40 In-Reply-To: References: <201803210456.w2L4uguX006177@mail42c28.carrierzone.com> Message-ID: <0646b64f-b796-3c40-288c-adb23e0dc619@audiosystemsgroup.com> Yes, personal fit and comfort is one of the most important characteristics of headsets, especially when we wear them for long periods. Which is a great reason why these observations from users is so valuable.? Whether the CM500 will work for Ed depends on the size of his aids and exact dimensions of the phones. When I don't need a mic, I usually wear Sony MDR-7506, which is more comfortable. BUT -- I think the muffs are smaller than the CM500 muffs. 73, Jim K9YC On 3/20/2018 10:29 PM, iain macdonnell - N6ML wrote: > Depends how big your ears are, I suppose... but for me, the CM500 is > more comfortable - the SB45 opening is quite a bit smaller, and > pinches my ears a bit. I also like the mesh band (CM500) better than > the squishy one (SB45)... but I'm not bald... yet.... From kc2vic at gmail.com Wed Mar 21 05:19:30 2018 From: kc2vic at gmail.com (Robert Felmey) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2018 05:19:30 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Utility Segmentation Fault in Linux In-Reply-To: <1520804959.9156.12.camel@gmx.de> References: <1520804959.9156.12.camel@gmx.de> Message-ID: <1521623970.6591.13.camel@gmail.com> Just wanted to post a quick update. Since this problem started happening on 1 Mar 2018, I searched the archives and found the previous version of lib32-harfbuzz. After installing that version of the package, now all the Elecraft linux utilities are working again on my system. https://archive.archlinux.org/repos/2018/02/28/multilib/os/x86_64/lib32 -harfbuzz-1.7.1-1-x86_64.pkg.tar.xz You can install this on Arch systems with the following command: pacman -U /path/to/lib32-harfbuzz-1.7.1-1-x86_64.pkg.tar.xz If you do install this package, be sure to blacklist it from being upgraded by placing the following line /etc/pacman.conf: IgnorePkg = lib32-harfbuzz Rob On Sun, 2018-03-11 at 22:49 +0100, Thomas Kluge wrote: > Hi Rob, > > When I tried to start one of the utility programs today I got an > error: > > (k3util:2054): GLib-CRITICAL **: g_hash_table_insert_internal: > assertion 'hash_table != NULL' failed > I think this is just a warning but it was followed by a segfault... > > All my Elecraft utility programs were affected (k3util, p3util, > kpautil). > > I'm running Gentoo Linux which is up-to-date (most of the packets are > the stable versions) and I was not sure when it worked last time... > I've started to look a bit deeper into it and dmesg showed me first > an > issue with the libexpat and then with libpng. I've downgraded both > packages to the following versions: > expat: from version 2.2.1 to 2.1.0-r4 > libpng: from version 1.6.29 to 1.6.27 > > Now I still get the Glib-errors (warnings) in the console - but > everything works again. It might be the same problem the KX3util... > > Best regards > Tom, DL3DTH > > > > Am Mittwoch, den 07.03.2018, 08:41 -0800 schrieb Howard Stephenson: > > Hi Rob, > > > > From the Utility info on the web site: > > > > X86-based Linux: GTK+ 2.8 or later, glibc-2.4, libstdc++.so.6 and > > cURL. > > 64-bit Linux requires 32-bit compatibility libraries. > > > > If you do a search of the reflector archives you should be able to > > find a > > list of the 32 bit libraries needed: > > > t> > > > > If that is not helpful drop an e-mail to support at elecraft.com, they > > have a > > template with the needed libraries listed that they'll be happy to > > send you. > > > > 73, > > Howard Stephenson K6IA > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to thomas.kluge at gmx.de > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to kc2vic at gmail.com From rmcgraw at blomand.net Wed Mar 21 08:47:55 2018 From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2018 07:47:55 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3: CM500 vs. SB40 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48f39cd3-7e2b-f226-63c7-4608ff7b772e@blomand.net> I've not use a CM-500 but I do have and use the SB-40.? I have different EQ values programmed for the SB-40 as compared to the Shure SM-58 which I use.?? Both, being dynamic mikes,? get great audio reports. The issue with the SB-40, being a dynamic mike, if it is too close to the mouth it sounds a bit bottom heavy.??? With most dynamic mikes, mike-to-mouth distance is very important.? To close = too much bottom end.? With the SB-40 about 2" from the mouth and about mid lip/chin level I find to be best.? Don't get it up high above the mouth as breathing through the nose will be noticed. 73 Bob, K4TAX On 3/20/2018 10:54 PM, elecraft-request at mailman.qth.net wrote: > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3: CM500 vs. SB40 > Message-ID: <9A862635E05A4F9FA3EB35C7737539E3 at Toshiba> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > The SB-40, with its dynamic mic element, has a lot of bad > reviews on Amazon regarding mic audio quality, so I never have > tried it. > > The Koss SB-45 on the other hand, with its electret element, > sounds great, and is very comfortable and affordable. I prefer > it over my Yamaha CM500 because it has a nice padded headband > that doesn't abrade my bald head like the rough webbing on the > CM500. > > So how is the SB-40 working for you? Are you happy with the > sound in the monitor, and with on the air reports? > > Dave Hachadorian, K6LL > Yuma, AZ From ve2fww at globetrotter.net Wed Mar 21 08:48:35 2018 From: ve2fww at globetrotter.net (NOEL POULIN) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2018 08:48:35 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] krc2 Message-ID: Hi everybody, I am looking for a KRC2 (band decoder) assembled...not in kit.. Please let me know your price, if you? have one for sale... I am in CANADA. Thanks Noel From sronnocfp at gmail.com Wed Mar 21 08:56:36 2018 From: sronnocfp at gmail.com (Pete Connors) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2018 05:56:36 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] FS: PR6 preamp Message-ID: <1521636996535-0.post@n2.nabble.com> For sale: an unused PR6 preamp, boxed with leads and connectors. ?80GBP plus P&P Pete G4PLZ -- Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ From k9jri at mac.com Wed Mar 21 08:58:44 2018 From: k9jri at mac.com (Michael Blake) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2018 12:58:44 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Elecraft] K3: CM500 vs. SB40 Message-ID: I do own and use Yamaha CM500 headsets on both my KX3 and my K3s.? The CM500 is a wonderful headset!? When I don't need a mic I also use Bose QC25 noise cancelling headsets. I am also a hearing aid user and both the Bose and Yamaha headsets are large enough to include my BTE hearing aids within the earcups.? Works well.? If your hearing aids have built in Telecoils (for magnetic pickup) the earphone drivers in the CM500 are unshielded and provide the necessary magnetic drive for the hearing aid's Telecoil pickup.? In this mode the CM500 is PERFECT! Very 73 - Mike - K9JRI On Mar 21, 2018, at 08:49 AM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote: I've not use a CM-500 but I do have and use the SB-40.? I have different EQ values programmed for the SB-40 as compared to the Shure SM-58 which I use.?? Both, being dynamic mikes,? get great audio reports. The issue with the SB-40, being a dynamic mike, if it is too close to the mouth it sounds a bit bottom heavy.??? With most dynamic mikes, mike-to-mouth distance is very important.? To close = too much bottom end.? With the SB-40 about 2" from the mouth and about mid lip/chin level I find to be best.? Don't get it up high above the mouth as breathing through the nose will be noticed. 73 Bob, K4TAX On 3/20/2018 10:54 PM, elecraft-request at mailman.qth.net wrote: Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3: CM500 vs. SB40 Message-ID: <9A862635E05A4F9FA3EB35C7737539E3 at Toshiba> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; ? ? ? ?reply-type=original The SB-40, with its dynamic mic element, has a lot of bad reviews on Amazon regarding mic audio quality, so I never have tried it. The Koss SB-45 on the other hand, with its electret element, sounds great, and is very comfortable and affordable. I prefer it over my Yamaha CM500 because it has a nice padded headband that doesn't abrade my bald head like the rough webbing on the CM500. So how is the SB-40 working for you? Are you happy with the sound in the monitor, and with on the air reports? Dave Hachadorian, K6LL Yuma, AZ ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to k9jri at mac.com From jim at jtmiller.com Wed Mar 21 09:18:49 2018 From: jim at jtmiller.com (Jim Miller) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2018 09:18:49 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KPOD Beep? Message-ID: Is there anyway to kill the beep that the KPOD creates when a button is pressed? Couldn't find anything in the manual. 73 jim ab3cv From wunder at wunderwood.org Wed Mar 21 11:02:03 2018 From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2018 08:02:03 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3: CM500 vs. SB40 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9AACEB7E-2F43-45BA-8658-5F5F42B47EDE@wunderwood.org> The ModMic I mentioned above seems to be a popular addition to the Bose noise-cancelling headsets. That adds a boom mic. wunder K6WRU Walter Underwood CM87wj http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) > On Mar 21, 2018, at 5:58 AM, Michael Blake wrote: > > I do own and use Yamaha CM500 headsets on both my KX3 and my K3s. The CM500 is a wonderful headset! When I don't need a mic I also use Bose QC25 noise cancelling headsets. > > I am also a hearing aid user and both the Bose and Yamaha headsets are large enough to include my BTE hearing aids within the earcups. Works well. If your hearing aids have built in Telecoils (for magnetic pickup) the earphone drivers in the CM500 are unshielded and provide the necessary magnetic drive for the hearing aid's Telecoil pickup. In this mode the CM500 is PERFECT! > > Very 73 - Mike - K9JRI > > > On Mar 21, 2018, at 08:49 AM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote: > > I've not use a CM-500 but I do have and use the SB-40. I have different EQ values programmed for the SB-40 as compared to the Shure SM-58 which I use. Both, being dynamic mikes, get great audio reports. > > The issue with the SB-40, being a dynamic mike, if it is too close to the mouth it sounds a bit bottom heavy. With most dynamic mikes, mike-to-mouth distance is very important. To close = too much bottom end. With the SB-40 about 2" from the mouth and about mid lip/chin level I find to be best. Don't get it up high above the mouth as breathing through the nose will be noticed. > > 73 > > Bob, K4TAX > > > On 3/20/2018 10:54 PM, elecraft-request at mailman.qth.net wrote: > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3: CM500 vs. SB40 > Message-ID: <9A862635E05A4F9FA3EB35C7737539E3 at Toshiba> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > The SB-40, with its dynamic mic element, has a lot of bad > reviews on Amazon regarding mic audio quality, so I never have > tried it. > > The Koss SB-45 on the other hand, with its electret element, > sounds great, and is very comfortable and affordable. I prefer > it over my Yamaha CM500 because it has a nice padded headband > that doesn't abrade my bald head like the rough webbing on the > CM500. > > So how is the SB-40 working for you? Are you happy with the > sound in the monitor, and with on the air reports? > > Dave Hachadorian, K6LL > Yuma, AZ > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k9jri at mac.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wunder at wunderwood.org From donwilh at embarqmail.com Wed Mar 21 11:15:47 2018 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2018 11:15:47 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3: CM500 vs. SB40 In-Reply-To: <201803210456.w2L4uguX006177@mail42c28.carrierzone.com> References: <201803210456.w2L4uguX006177@mail42c28.carrierzone.com> Message-ID: <186150b7-f02a-a4f7-e398-0f7f6c90e609@embarqmail.com> Ed, I have hearing aids, and find I cannot use the CM500 without removing the aids - they cause howls. My hearing aids are over the ear type as yours are. Fortunately, my low frequency hearing is about normal, so I can work without the hearing aids - at least for ham radio purposes. See if you can borrow one before buying. For normal headphones, I have a couple Sony's that I can use with the aids. Try before you buy for best evaluation - everyone is a bit different. You may be able to push the ear cups up a bit and toward the rear so the mics in your aids are not blocked from the headphone diaphram. 73, Don W3FPR On 3/21/2018 12:56 AM, Edward R Cole wrote: > I have a related question.? Considering the CM500 (or similar) for use > with my KX3 in outdoor conditions (windy beach or windy hilltop). > > Also I wear over the ear hearing aids so need a headset that has a muff > the surrounds the ear. A headset sitting on my ear puts sound into the > ear; hearing aid mic is behind my ear.? Comfort is also important.? I > have a pair of stereo headsets made by Sony which have nice soft > cushions that surround my ear (but no boom mic). > From k6mr at outlook.com Wed Mar 21 12:06:39 2018 From: k6mr at outlook.com (Ken K6MR) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2018 16:06:39 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] KPOD Beep? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hold F1 during power up. It will revert to beeping at the next power up so you need to do this each time it is power cycled. Ken K6MR ________________________________ From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net on behalf of Jim Miller Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2018 6:18:49 AM To: Elecraft Reflector Subject: [Elecraft] KPOD Beep? Is there anyway to kill the beep that the KPOD creates when a button is pressed? Couldn't find anything in the manual. 73 jim ab3cv ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to k6mr at outlook.com From wa4aip at gmail.com Wed Mar 21 12:18:48 2018 From: wa4aip at gmail.com (John Altman) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2018 11:18:48 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] P3-F. FOR SALE Message-ID: <53CDB7E6-F548-4CDE-BBD3-DE67EAC4A953@gmail.com> FOR SALE -- P3-F Panadapter $625.00 + shipping ... (New price $779.95 + shipping) Excellent operating and cosmetic condition! Have two units - this one is now surplus to my needs. ... Will ship with spiral bound manual and connecting cables. IF Cable E980170 Power Cable E850427 P3 to RJ45 Connector on K3S - Y Cable - Model E980296 .. Sold as is, no returns, due to scammers and parts swappers... Pay with PayPal + fees, bank check, or postal money order. .. Questions - pls email me direct -- WA4AIP at ARRL.NET .. Thanks, John WA4AIP ARRL Charter Life Member WA4AIP ARRL Charter Life Member C.C.A. Member Sent from my iPad PRO From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Wed Mar 21 12:31:03 2018 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2018 09:31:03 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3: CM500 vs. SB40 In-Reply-To: <186150b7-f02a-a4f7-e398-0f7f6c90e609@embarqmail.com> References: <201803210456.w2L4uguX006177@mail42c28.carrierzone.com> <186150b7-f02a-a4f7-e398-0f7f6c90e609@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: Another hint for those with moderate hearing loss.? Turn off your aids and set RXEQ for maximum boost on the top bands, maximum cut on the lower bands.? Several years ago, I recommended this to a friend with a lot of loss, and he uses it successfully to work CW. 73, Jim K9YC On 3/21/2018 8:15 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > I have hearing aids, and find I cannot use the CM500 without removing > the aids - they cause howls. > My hearing aids are over the ear type as yours are. > Fortunately, my low frequency hearing is about normal, so I can work > without the hearing aids - at least for ham radio purposes. From w6sx at arrl.net Wed Mar 21 12:35:53 2018 From: w6sx at arrl.net (Hank Garretson) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2018 09:35:53 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3: CM500 vs. SB40 In-Reply-To: References: <201803210456.w2L4uguX006177@mail42c28.carrierzone.com> <186150b7-f02a-a4f7-e398-0f7f6c90e609@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Mar 21, 2018 at 9:31 AM, Jim Brown wrote: > Another hint for those with moderate hearing loss. Turn off your aids and > set RXEQ for maximum boost on the top bands, maximum cut on the lower > bands. Several years ago, I recommended this to a friend with a lot of > loss, and he uses it successfully to work CW. > > 73, Jim K9YC > > On 3/21/2018 8:15 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > >> I have hearing aids, and find I cannot use the CM500 without removing the >> aids - they cause howls. >> My hearing aids are over the ear type as yours are. >> Fortunately, my low frequency hearing is about normal, so I can work >> without the hearing aids - at least for ham radio purposes. >> > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to w6sx at arrl.net From w6sx at arrl.net Wed Mar 21 12:55:09 2018 From: w6sx at arrl.net (Hank Garretson) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2018 09:55:09 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Second Try--Re: K3: CM500 vs. SB40 Message-ID: On Wed, Mar 21, 2018 at 9:31 AM, Jim Brown wrote: > Another hint for those with moderate hearing loss. Turn off your aids and > set RXEQ for maximum boost on the top bands, maximum cut on the lower > bands. Several years ago, I recommended this to a friend with a lot of > loss, and he uses it successfully to work CW. > Here is what I do with good success. For CW, I maximize RX EQ for my sidetone frequency. In my case, Sidetone is 800 Hz. RX EQ is 0 db for all bands except Band 5 (800 Hz) which I set at +16 dB. I just had my hearing aids adjusted. I asked for one program to bandpass at 800 Hz. Still evaluating if that is going to help. > On 3/21/2018 8:15 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > >> I have hearing aids, and find I cannot use the CM500 without removing the >> aids - they cause howls. >> My hearing aids are over the ear type as yours are. >> > I have no howl or feedback issues with over-the-ear hearing aids and cans. Different people have different results. 73, Hank, W6SX From nu4i at cox.net Wed Mar 21 12:57:20 2018 From: nu4i at cox.net (Kenneth Moorman) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2018 12:57:20 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KPOD Beep? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <005e01d3c135$ad6c74f0$08455ed0$@cox.net> How loud are these beeps? I can barely hear mine and only if I put my ear directly above the KPod front panel. I suspect I have a defective sound device and am not that hard of hearing. Ken, NU4I -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Ken K6MR Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2018 12:07 PM To: Jim Miller ; Elecraft Reflector Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPOD Beep? Hold F1 during power up. It will revert to beeping at the next power up so you need to do this each time it is power cycled. Ken K6MR ________________________________ From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net on behalf of Jim Miller Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2018 6:18:49 AM To: Elecraft Reflector Subject: [Elecraft] KPOD Beep? Is there anyway to kill the beep that the KPOD creates when a button is pressed? Couldn't find anything in the manual. 73 jim ab3cv ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to k6mr at outlook.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to nu4i at cox.net From k6mr at outlook.com Wed Mar 21 13:13:55 2018 From: k6mr at outlook.com (Ken K6MR) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2018 17:13:55 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] KPOD Beep? In-Reply-To: <005e01d3c135$ad6c74f0$08455ed0$@cox.net> References: ,<005e01d3c135$ad6c74f0$08455ed0$@cox.net> Message-ID: The beeps are not very loud, and fairly high pitched. I don?t bother shutting them off because I never operate on a speaker and don?t notice them. But if your high frequency hearing is pretty good you might notice the beeps in a quiet room. Ken K6MR From: Kenneth Moorman Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2018 09:59 To: 'Elecraft Reflector' Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPOD Beep? How loud are these beeps? I can barely hear mine and only if I put my ear directly above the KPod front panel. I suspect I have a defective sound device and am not that hard of hearing. Ken, NU4I -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Ken K6MR Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2018 12:07 PM To: Jim Miller ; Elecraft Reflector Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPOD Beep? Hold F1 during power up. It will revert to beeping at the next power up so you need to do this each time it is power cycled. Ken K6MR ________________________________ From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net on behalf of Jim Miller Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2018 6:18:49 AM To: Elecraft Reflector Subject: [Elecraft] KPOD Beep? Is there anyway to kill the beep that the KPOD creates when a button is pressed? Couldn't find anything in the manual. 73 jim ab3cv ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to k6mr at outlook.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to nu4i at cox.net ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to k6mr at outlook.com From jim at jtmiller.com Wed Mar 21 13:27:55 2018 From: jim at jtmiller.com (Jim Miller) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2018 13:27:55 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KPOD Beep? In-Reply-To: References: <005e01d3c135$ad6c74f0$08455ed0$@cox.net> Message-ID: My room is quiet and I do hear them. The F1 trick at power on does the job. Thanks! Jim On Wed, Mar 21, 2018 at 1:13 PM, Ken K6MR wrote: > The beeps are not very loud, and fairly high pitched. I don?t bother > shutting them off because I never operate on a speaker and don?t notice > them. But if your high frequency hearing is pretty good you might notice > the beeps in a quiet room. > > Ken K6MR > > From: Kenneth Moorman > Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2018 09:59 > To: 'Elecraft Reflector' > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPOD Beep? > > How loud are these beeps? I can barely hear mine and only if I put my ear > directly above the KPod front panel. I suspect I have a defective sound > device and am not that hard of hearing. > > Ken, NU4I > > -----Original Message----- > From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net > [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Ken K6MR > Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2018 12:07 PM > To: Jim Miller ; Elecraft Reflector > > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPOD Beep? > > Hold F1 during power up. It will revert to beeping at the next power up > so > you need to do this each time it is power cycled. > > > > Ken K6MR > > > > ________________________________ > From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net > on > behalf of Jim Miller > Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2018 6:18:49 AM > To: Elecraft Reflector > Subject: [Elecraft] KPOD Beep? > > Is there anyway to kill the beep that the KPOD creates when a button is > pressed? > > Couldn't find anything in the manual. > > 73 > > jim ab3cv > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message > delivered to k6mr at outlook.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message > delivered to nu4i at cox.net > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k6mr at outlook.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to jim at jtmiller.com > From whiskey7ee at gmail.com Wed Mar 21 14:32:50 2018 From: whiskey7ee at gmail.com (Gary Watson) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2018 12:32:50 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] KAT100-1 and 2 Discontinued In-Reply-To: <359f1dfa-f375-73fe-7442-bc7ef4ff3327@embarqmail.com> References: <1521598208155-0.post@n2.nabble.com> <359f1dfa-f375-73fe-7442-bc7ef4ff3327@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: Looks like the KAT100-1 is back on the order page. I had to refresh the browser to see it. That's good news. Gary Watson On Tue, Mar 20, 2018 at 10:06 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > The KAT100-1 is still shown on the Products page. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 3/20/2018 10:10 PM, George Winship, NC5G wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> I hope you are right, Don. The shipping status page shows both the 1 and 2 >> discontinued. And neither one is on the order page. >> >> I built my K2 in 2001 and later added the amp, KAT100, etc. It has been >> one >> of the most fun things that I have done in this hobby. And it is still the >> main radio in the shack. >> >> 73, George NC5G >> >> >> >> -- >> Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to donwilh at embarqmail.com >> >> ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to whiskey7ee at gmail.com > From donwilh at embarqmail.com Wed Mar 21 14:49:14 2018 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2018 14:49:14 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KAT100-1 and 2 Discontinued In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <75584f68-4c3b-025b-4cfe-d3b774708c0d@embarqmail.com> The KAT100-1 is now properly on the order section of the webpage and the shipping status page. I did not check further. Yes, the shipping status properly shows the KAT100-2 as discontinued, but the KAT100-1 is listed as In Stock right above that item. The K2 will ship soon after the new parts come in. 73, Don W3FPR On 3/20/2018 8:32 PM, Gary Watson wrote: > This may be old news, I searched and didn't see anything about it. > > I was looking at the Shipping Status page and noticed they had discontinued > the tuner. They still have the KPA100 for sale, but without the tuner it's > seems it won't be long before they discontinue the 100 watt amp. From kl7uw at acsalaska.net Wed Mar 21 16:08:53 2018 From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2018 12:08:53 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] K3: CM500 vs. SB40 Message-ID: <201803212008.w2LK8spU006659@mail47c28.carrierzone.com> Thanks to for the many replies. Walter offers an interesting option of the ModMic. Model-4 is cheaper with single cord and no mute switch (not needed in PTT ham radio). Model-5 has switchable mic elements (not sure if that would be useful) which is likely to work best with wind-blast noise? My application is outside standing on either a beach or mountain top doing microwave ham radio (SSB primarily). I have a ten-year old Bose QC30 headset that might work well with the boom. It fits over my hearing aids OK. Usually I remove hearing aids in an airplane and wear the Bose (combined >60 dBa isolation). I wonder how well the boom attaches (and comes off)? I would prefer not to deal with boom mic when traveling on airplanes. Also this is for use with KX3 (does it provide mic bias?) Not wearing my hearing aids is fine for digital modes (I see the signal vs hear it), or when sleeping (nice and quiet). But raising volume does not work for me. I have to use closed-captioning when watching TV. My hearing loss is in speech recognition. Sort of like attacking your speaker with a knife and then wrapping it in several layers of towels. All you hear is "mmmf wooot swaan jstouble rattle rattle. All consonant sound is lost: the *ain in **ain *alls *ainly on the *lain. Clue: **ain = Spain. My hearing aids have the telecoil but I never use it (way too noisy and distorted). For regular telephones I use the speaker-phone and for my iphone5 I have blue-tooth connection to my hearing aids. I have a blue tooth audio appliance that permits plugging into an audio source to send to my hearing aids via blue tooth, but it "eats" batteries in a couple hours use so I have not used it for ham radio. Of course its simplex (no mic). My hearing aids have a remote with mic but does not work well in wind (makes very hollow sound for telephone user). Guess more to think about. 73, Ed From: Walter Underwood To: Elecraft Reflector Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3: CM500 vs. SB40 Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 The SB45 does appear to go around your ear. Another option is to add a boom mic to the headphones you like. The ModMic attaches to headphones. https://antlionaudio.com/ Interesting, one of their sales regions is ?Amateur Radio?. Here is a ModMic vendor that includes some mic adaptors. http://pileupdx.com/product-category/brands/antlion-modmic/ They are also available at B&H and Amazon. https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/buy/Shop-by-Brand-Antlion-Audio/ci/4/phd/3704379912/N/4294255798 https://www.amazon.com/l/11391726011 wunder K6WRU Walter Underwood CM87wj http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com Dubus-NA Business mail: dubususa at gmail.com From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Wed Mar 21 16:32:28 2018 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2018 13:32:28 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3: CM500 vs. SB40 In-Reply-To: <201803212008.w2LK8spU006659@mail47c28.carrierzone.com> References: <201803212008.w2LK8spU006659@mail47c28.carrierzone.com> Message-ID: <5f97cc60-e022-38d3-679e-5c339ea73012@audiosystemsgroup.com> On 3/21/2018 1:08 PM, Edward R Cole wrote: > which is likely to work best with wind-blast noise? The ModMic-4 has ONLY a cardioid mic, so will be BAD for wind-blast breath-pops, handling noise, and bass boost. The ModMic-5 has both omni and cardioid, with a switch to select between them. I've never seen one of these -- I'm going only by the description on the webpage. 73, Jim K9YC From kl7uw at acsalaska.net Wed Mar 21 16:37:19 2018 From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2018 12:37:19 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] K3: CM500 vs. SB40 Message-ID: <201803212037.w2LKbKWi017351@mail47c28.carrierzone.com> More thinking. I use a pair of Sony MDR-V600 stereo headset in the ham shack (only) so attaching ModMic permanently is better idea. I know this headset fits over my hearing aids nicely. I still might also get a CM-500 for comparison. If it works better than the ModMic I'm out very little cash and if ModMic is better then I can sell the CM-500 here i=on the reflector (at a slight discount and fee shipping). Always someone looking for a boom-mic headset for their Elecraft radio. 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com Dubus-NA Business mail: dubususa at gmail.com From gordon.lapoint at gmail.com Wed Mar 21 18:37:33 2018 From: gordon.lapoint at gmail.com (Gordon LaPoint) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2018 18:37:33 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K2 SSB option problem Message-ID: I'm building a K2, and so far its working.? I'm now assembling the KSB2 ssb adapter.? In the step where I'm to put in the Filter Crystal set I'm supposed to find a calibration number on the envelope.?? the Part number is E850006, the only other numbers on the envelope are: 29870-1? 171109?? , What do I use for a calibration number? thanks, Gordon - N1MGO From donwilh at embarqmail.com Wed Mar 21 19:04:46 2018 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2018 19:04:46 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K2 SSB option problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <74fb353b-5e91-75ae-8eef-067e5d4648c6@embarqmail.com> Gordon, If there is no number inked in somewhere on that envelope, someone dropped the ball when sorting the crystals. In the absence of a calibration number, assume it is 3.6 - that is the most common. 73, Don W3FPR On 3/21/2018 6:37 PM, Gordon LaPoint wrote: > I'm building a K2, and so far its working.? I'm now assembling the KSB2 > ssb adapter.? In the step where I'm to put in the Filter Crystal set I'm > supposed to find a calibration number on the envelope.?? the Part number > is E850006, the only other numbers on the envelope are: From gordon.lapoint at gmail.com Wed Mar 21 19:13:43 2018 From: gordon.lapoint at gmail.com (Gordon LaPoint) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2018 19:13:43 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K2 SSB option problem In-Reply-To: <74fb353b-5e91-75ae-8eef-067e5d4648c6@embarqmail.com> References: <74fb353b-5e91-75ae-8eef-067e5d4648c6@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: Don, ?? Thanks!?? There is no number inked on the envelope.?? Is there a way using soundcard data to check? Gordon -? N1MGO On 3/21/2018 7:04 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > Gordon, > > If there is no number inked in somewhere on that envelope, someone > dropped the ball when sorting the crystals. > In the absence of a calibration number, assume it is 3.6 - that is the > most common. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 3/21/2018 6:37 PM, Gordon LaPoint wrote: >> I'm building a K2, and so far its working.? I'm now assembling the >> KSB2 ssb adapter.? In the step where I'm to put in the Filter Crystal >> set I'm supposed to find a calibration number on the envelope.?? the >> Part number is E850006, the only other numbers on the envelope are: From donwilh at embarqmail.com Wed Mar 21 19:37:48 2018 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2018 19:37:48 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K2 SSB option problem In-Reply-To: References: <74fb353b-5e91-75ae-8eef-067e5d4648c6@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <40e832f9-8514-6326-0955-30b81fca6efa@embarqmail.com> Gordon, I don't know how you would use any soundcard data to check that, but if you have an instrument that can extract crystal parameters, that will work.? It is easier to just assume your crystal set is somewhere close to the midpoint, and that is 3.6. When you get it all together, you can use Spectrogram (or another audio spectrum analyzer) to optimize where the filter passband is placed. You can download a copy of Spectrogram from my website www.w3fpr.com - scroll near the bottom of the opening page to find the links. There is some information on my K2 Dial Calibration article about using Spectrogram. For more detail along with pictures, look at the Tom Hammond (SK) N0SS website at http://www.mmccs.com/mmarc/n0ss/index_k2.html (do not use the Spectrogram download link you will see there - use the link to the local files on my website). 73, Don W3FPR On 3/21/2018 7:13 PM, Gordon LaPoint wrote: > Don, > ?? Thanks!?? There is no number inked on the envelope.?? Is there a > way using soundcard data to check? > Gordon -? N1MGO > > On 3/21/2018 7:04 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: >> Gordon, >> >> If there is no number inked in somewhere on that envelope, someone >> dropped the ball when sorting the crystals. >> In the absence of a calibration number, assume it is 3.6 - that is >> the most common. >> >> 73, >> Don W3FPR >> >> On 3/21/2018 6:37 PM, Gordon LaPoint wrote: >>> I'm building a K2, and so far its working.? I'm now assembling the >>> KSB2 ssb adapter.? In the step where I'm to put in the Filter >>> Crystal set I'm supposed to find a calibration number on the >>> envelope.?? the Part number is E850006, the only other numbers on >>> the envelope are: > > > From ab2tc at arrl.net Wed Mar 21 19:47:47 2018 From: ab2tc at arrl.net (ab2tc) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2018 16:47:47 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Utility Segmentation Fault in Linux In-Reply-To: <1521623970.6591.13.camel@gmail.com> References: <1520804959.9156.12.camel@gmx.de> <1521623970.6591.13.camel@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1521676067973-0.post@n2.nabble.com> Hi, Can you please move this conversation to a Linux guru forum? Ths Linux gobbledygook has no place here, period. AB2TC - Knut Just wanted to post a quick update. Since this problem started happening on 1 Mar 2018, I searched the archives and found the previous version of lib32-harfbuzz. After installing that version of the package, now all the Elecraft linux utilities are working again on my system. https://archive.archlinux.org/repos/2018/02/28/multilib/os/x86_64/lib32 -harfbuzz-1.7.1-1-x86_64.pkg.tar.xz You can install this on Arch systems with the following command: pacman -U /path/to/lib32-harfbuzz-1.7.1-1-x86_64.pkg.tar.xz If you do install this package, be sure to blacklist it from being upgraded by placing the following line /etc/pacman.conf: IgnorePkg = lib32-harfbuzz -- Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ From eric at elecraft.com Wed Mar 21 19:54:01 2018 From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2018 16:54:01 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Utility Segmentation Fault in Linux In-Reply-To: <1521676067973-0.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1520804959.9156.12.camel@gmx.de> <1521623970.6591.13.camel@gmail.com> <1521676067973-0.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <31c8874c-11ff-d6a8-3463-7504157b2d1d@elecraft.com> Please do not criticize or be rude to other's for their postings here. That's outside of Elecraft list guidelines. In fact, since this is KX3 Utility related (for the Linux version) their postings were certainly OK. Eric moderator from time to time.. /elecraft.com/ On 3/21/2018 4:47 PM, ab2tc wrote: > Hi, > > Can you please move this conversation to a Linux guru forum? Ths Linux > gobbledygook has no place here, period. > > AB2TC - Knut > From ab2tc at arrl.net Wed Mar 21 20:22:55 2018 From: ab2tc at arrl.net (ab2tc) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2018 17:22:55 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Utility Segmentation Fault in Linux In-Reply-To: <31c8874c-11ff-d6a8-3463-7504157b2d1d@elecraft.com> References: <1520804959.9156.12.camel@gmx.de> <1521623970.6591.13.camel@gmail.com> <1521676067973-0.post@n2.nabble.com> <31c8874c-11ff-d6a8-3463-7504157b2d1d@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <1521678175188-0.post@n2.nabble.com> Hi, I've responded in a direct email to Eric, but maybe it it did not reach the group. so here it is: Hi Eric, With all respect, I was not by any means rude. How can it be rude to ask somebody to take take their problems elsewhere where they belong? I do not think that purely operating systems problems have any place on the reflector and that goes for Windows, too. Had it it been just one or two postings, I wouldn't have been annoyed, but this was just going on and on with Linux jargon forever understood by precious few. ab2tc - Knut Please do not criticize or be rude to other's for their postings here. That's outside of Elecraft list guidelines. In fact, since this is KX3 Utility related (for the Linux version) their postings were certainly OK. Eric moderator from time to time.. /elecraft.com/ On 3/21/2018 4:47 PM, ab2tc wrote: -- Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ From wunder at wunderwood.org Wed Mar 21 21:14:24 2018 From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2018 18:14:24 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Utility Segmentation Fault in Linux In-Reply-To: <31c8874c-11ff-d6a8-3463-7504157b2d1d@elecraft.com> References: <1520804959.9156.12.camel@gmx.de> <1521623970.6591.13.camel@gmail.com> <1521676067973-0.post@n2.nabble.com> <31c8874c-11ff-d6a8-3463-7504157b2d1d@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <59AFFBAD-74A9-4F1A-902A-C90004321EE4@wunderwood.org> I run my ham software on Mac, not Linux, but I?d tag that post with ?Nice Elmering?. It was specific and clear. Sorry for the meta-discussion, but I rode herd on netnews discussion groups for 5000+ engineers at HP for about a decade. I?ve seen more than my share of good and bad net behavior. wunder K6WRU Walter Underwood CM87wj http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) > On Mar 21, 2018, at 4:54 PM, Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft wrote: > > Please do not criticize or be rude to other's for their postings here. That's outside of Elecraft list guidelines. > > In fact, since this is KX3 Utility related (for the Linux version) their postings were certainly OK. > > Eric > moderator from time to time.. > /elecraft.com/ > > On 3/21/2018 4:47 PM, ab2tc wrote: >> Hi, >> >> Can you please move this conversation to a Linux guru forum? Ths Linux >> gobbledygook has no place here, period. >> >> AB2TC - Knut >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wunder at wunderwood.org From edkn3e at gmail.com Wed Mar 21 23:40:16 2018 From: edkn3e at gmail.com (Ed Hoeck) Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2018 23:40:16 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 ALC Message-ID: Can someone tell me if there is an instruction on how to set the ALC on a K3 with the latest Elecraft sound card installed? The original manual was written B4 the internal sound card was an option. I am operating FT8 mode and it worked fine with my signal Link, but now I suspect that I am splattering. I am using the K3 in the data mode running about 35 watts. Ed KN3E From kh at kh-translation.dk Thu Mar 22 06:04:42 2018 From: kh at kh-translation.dk (Kjeld Holm) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2018 11:04:42 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] Second Try--Re: K3: CM500 vs. SB40 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <004d01d3c1c5$33085ae0$991910a0$@kh-translation.dk> Regarding hearing aids you may be interested in a product that can send LF from K3 directly to your hearing aids. The Danish company Phonak are selling a device under the name of TVLink which plugs into the line out, Scart, headphone or external speaker connector and from it's console sends in stereo to your hearing aids. I have been using this for about 6 years now and it is the best "headphones" I have ever had! The price is about 3000 Danish kroner which is something like 450 US $. Vy de OZ1CCM, Kjeld -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Hank Garretson Sent: 21. marts 2018 17:55 To: Jim Brown Cc: Elecraft Reflector Subject: [Elecraft] Second Try--Re: K3: CM500 vs. SB40 On Wed, Mar 21, 2018 at 9:31 AM, Jim Brown wrote: > Another hint for those with moderate hearing loss. Turn off your aids > and set RXEQ for maximum boost on the top bands, maximum cut on the > lower bands. Several years ago, I recommended this to a friend with a > lot of loss, and he uses it successfully to work CW. > Here is what I do with good success. For CW, I maximize RX EQ for my sidetone frequency. In my case, Sidetone is 800 Hz. RX EQ is 0 db for all bands except Band 5 (800 Hz) which I set at +16 dB. I just had my hearing aids adjusted. I asked for one program to bandpass at 800 Hz. Still evaluating if that is going to help. > On 3/21/2018 8:15 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > >> I have hearing aids, and find I cannot use the CM500 without removing >> the aids - they cause howls. >> My hearing aids are over the ear type as yours are. >> > I have no howl or feedback issues with over-the-ear hearing aids and cans. Different people have different results. 73, Hank, W6SX ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to kh at kh-translation.dk From gliderboy1955 at yahoo.com Thu Mar 22 07:06:23 2018 From: gliderboy1955 at yahoo.com (eric norris) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2018 11:06:23 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 + PX3 + KXPA100 audio leakage References: <1960387557.83128.1521716783068.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1960387557.83128.1521716783068@mail.yahoo.com> I've started running this setup on FT8.? For some reason, I can hear the grinding FT8 sound on TX.? MON is set to 0, AF 54, MIC 60--these produce the right levels of Tx and Rx audio with the soundcard levels set mid-range.? DATA mode.? I think the sound is coming from the KX3.? Any ideas how I can make it silent? Thanks and 73 Eric WD6DBM Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android From tf3y at tf3y.net Thu Mar 22 07:42:24 2018 From: tf3y at tf3y.net (Yngvi (TF3Y)) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2018 11:42:24 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Summary of product review by PA0Q Message-ID: I thought this summary might make an interesting read for some here http://www.remeeus.eu/hamradio/pa1hr/productreview.pdf 73, Yngvi TF3Y -- http://www.tf3y.net From nr4c at widomaker.com Thu Mar 22 08:57:08 2018 From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2018 08:57:08 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 ALC In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: You?re sure to get Dons response to this. But, it?s really the same as before. Using the USB cable for audio be sure to select USB AUDIO CODEC as sound device for both recording and playback. Now bring up the Windows mixer and set the level for playback (transmit) to about 30%. Now adjust the Line In (Mic Gain) to get 4 solid bars and fifth flickering. If the granularity is too coarse, set windows mixer level lower, maybe 20%. Try the radio again. I have set my Windows level quite low but get fine control with K3S Lime In Control. It is very stable and repeatable. As before, set Power with PWR knob on radio. Sent from my iPhone ...nr4c. bill > On Mar 21, 2018, at 11:40 PM, Ed Hoeck wrote: > > Can someone tell me if there is an instruction on how to set the ALC on a > K3 with the latest Elecraft sound card installed? The original manual was > written B4 the internal sound card was an option. I am operating FT8 mode > and it worked fine with my signal Link, but now I suspect that I am > splattering. I am using the K3 in the data mode running about 35 watts. > > Ed KN3E > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to nr4c at widomaker.com From bill at w2blc.net Thu Mar 22 09:44:44 2018 From: bill at w2blc.net (Bill) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2018 09:44:44 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Summary of product review by PA0Q In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thank you for that resource - very interesting. Bill W2BLC K-Line From N9KY at arrl.net Thu Mar 22 09:45:44 2018 From: N9KY at arrl.net (Chuck Milam, N9KY) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2018 08:45:44 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Utility Segmentation Fault in Linux In-Reply-To: <1521676067973-0.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1520804959.9156.12.camel@gmx.de> <1521623970.6591.13.camel@gmail.com> <1521676067973-0.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: This seems quite relevant. It literally has to do with getting Elecraft-provided and supported software to function on an Elecraft-supported computer operating system. Given the software-driven nature of the Elecraft product line, you can expect some discussion on software support issues on all of the various computer operating systems supported by Elecraft. --- Chuck Milam, N9KY N9KY at arrl.net On Wed, Mar 21, 2018 at 6:47 PM, ab2tc wrote: > Hi, > > Can you please move this conversation to a Linux guru forum? Ths Linux > gobbledygook has no place here, period. > > AB2TC - Knut > > > Just wanted to post a quick update. Since this problem started > happening on 1 Mar 2018, I searched the archives and found the previous > version of lib32-harfbuzz. After installing that version of the > package, now all the Elecraft linux utilities are working again on my > system. > > https://archive.archlinux.org/repos/2018/02/28/multilib/os/x86_64/lib32 > -harfbuzz-1.7.1-1-x86_64.pkg.tar.xz > > You can install this on Arch systems with the following command: > > pacman -U /path/to/lib32-harfbuzz-1.7.1-1-x86_64.pkg.tar.xz > > If you do install this package, be sure to blacklist it from being > upgraded by placing the following line /etc/pacman.conf: > > IgnorePkg = lib32-harfbuzz > > > > > > > -- > Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n9ky at arrl.net > From kq5stom at gmail.com Thu Mar 22 09:58:45 2018 From: kq5stom at gmail.com (kq5stom at gmail.com) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2018 08:58:45 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 Isolation Message-ID: <9BC4AF20-53BA-4482-922A-BE67305DF662@gmail.com> I decided to hook my dummy load to antenna two on the KAT500 with my main antenna being on antenna 1. When I get a strong signal on my main antenna and switch the KAT500 to port 2 (dummy load) the KAT500 I can still copy the signal on my K3S though the strength is down from S9+ to about S2. I can keep the KAT500 on antenna 2 (dummy load) and disconnect the dummy load from the back of the KAT500 and still hear the signal. I was using an Alpha Delta 4 port coax switch to switch between my main antenna and a dummy load. All was well. No signal being heard when I switched to the dummy load. In this configuration I had antenna 1 from the KAT500 going to the Alpha Delta switch and then out to my antenna. ?????? 73, Tom - KQ5S From ericrosenberg.dc at gmail.com Thu Mar 22 10:26:29 2018 From: ericrosenberg.dc at gmail.com (Eric Rosenberg) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2018 10:26:29 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Help needed - checking out a used K3 Message-ID: Maybe it?s the lousy propagation, but it seems to me that my new-to-me K3 isn?t performing quite up to snuff. I?d like to run a couple of tests to determine whether I need to send the rig to Elecraft. Other than running an A/B test with another radio, the only test gear I have is an Elecraft XG-3 RF Signal source. Are there test or a series of tests I can run? Thanks, & 73, Eric W3DQ From richkappler at gmail.com Thu Mar 22 10:26:53 2018 From: richkappler at gmail.com (richard kappler) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2018 10:26:53 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Order handling Message-ID: This is not a complaint, so no flaming. Yes, I'm a bit impatient, but that's more "kid before Christmas" than annoyed custmoer. I ordered my first Elecraft last Thursday, the KX2 Shack in a box. The website states quite clearly orders will ship in 5-7 days (business days iirc), so I'm wondering, as I wait less than patiently, what happens during those 5-7 dyas? Are the radios built to order? Are they built but go through some testing process before shipping out? I'm figuring there must be something going on to cause the 5-7 day delay, just wondering what it is? -- W2KAP In any given circuit, the most expensive part will always sacrifice itself to protect the fuse. From donwilh at embarqmail.com Thu Mar 22 10:48:05 2018 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2018 10:48:05 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Help needed - checking out a used K3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Eric, The most important parameters (IMHO) for receiver performance are the noise floor, MDS and dynamic range for adjacent signal rejection. You can use your XG3 (note, no hyphen) to get a very close approximation of the MDS - the information is in the XG3 manual. That measurement will give you some insight into the noise floor, because the two are related. As for adjacent signal rejection, look around any band and see if you can find 2 signals that are close to each other (do that with a wide filter). Then narrow the filtering to see if you can separate them sufficiently to copy each one - use CW for that test. Yes, band conditions have been quite "iffy" particularly on the higher frequency bands. You may find some activity on 20 meters and above during the day, but it fades off when the sun sets. 40 meters will be shorter distances during the daylight and will go out 'long' after sunset. 80 and 160 meters will be quite noisy during the day, but is good for local contacts - DX will come in after sunset. Pray for more sunspots. 73, Don W3FPR On 3/22/2018 10:26 AM, Eric Rosenberg wrote: > Maybe it?s the lousy propagation, but it seems to me that my new-to-me K3 > isn?t performing quite up to snuff. > > > > I?d like to run a couple of tests to determine whether I need to send the > rig to Elecraft. > > > > Other than running an A/B test with another radio, the only test gear I > have is an Elecraft XG-3 RF Signal source. > > > > Are there test or a series of tests I can run? > > > > Thanks, & 73, > > > > Eric W3DQ > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to donwilh at embarqmail.com > From tomg3olb at gmail.com Thu Mar 22 10:56:34 2018 From: tomg3olb at gmail.com (Tom Boucher) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2018 14:56:34 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 internal connectors Message-ID: <5ab3c423.bb97500a.17a9a.996d@mx.google.com> Can anyone tell me at what point (Date-S/No.) Elecraft started fitting gold flashed connector pins on the internal connectors? A member of our contest group is interested in buying a used K3 and I have advised him not to get an older one because of the connector reliability issues. Thanks, Tom G3OLB Sent from PITA Mail for Windows 10 From donwilh at embarqmail.com Thu Mar 22 10:57:57 2018 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2018 10:57:57 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Order handling In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <59c67a0c-da0f-66d8-6300-bae1424594b2@embarqmail.com> Richard, That delay is stated to "cover all bases" to include weekends. There are several reasons. First, there is simply the time to assemble your order and ship it. Second is the time to process your order and get the paperwork from sales to shipping. Thirdly - yes, you order will be run through a final test before shipping. Other delays may be possible if some part of your order is not currently in stock, and in that event you will be notified and you will be asked whether to ship-now, or hold until everything is available. Shipping time is not included. Normal orders ship UPS Ground, and if you are not in-state for California, UPS can take another 5-7 days to arrive. If you are in a hurry, choose USPS Priority Mail and it will take 2 to 3 days. 73, Don W3FPR On 3/22/2018 10:26 AM, richard kappler wrote: > This is not a complaint, so no flaming. Yes, I'm a bit impatient, but > that's more "kid before Christmas" than annoyed custmoer. > > I ordered my first Elecraft last Thursday, the KX2 Shack in a box. The > website states quite clearly orders will ship in 5-7 days (business days > iirc), so I'm wondering, as I wait less than patiently, what happens during > those 5-7 dyas? Are the radios built to order? Are they built but go > through some testing process before shipping out? I'm figuring there must > be something going on to cause the 5-7 day delay, just wondering what it > is? > From nr4c at widomaker.com Thu Mar 22 11:04:46 2018 From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2018 11:04:46 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Order handling In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: They are built to order and must pass an intensive ?burn in? process before they are shipped. Also note that Elecraft is a small company and they don?t have 100 robots building radios. More like a couple or three guys doing it by hand. Your radio will be assembled by careful loving hands, tested and carefully packaged and shipped to you so that you can enjoy using it for a very long time. I hope you enjoy yours as much as I have enjoyed mine. Sent from my iPhone ...nr4c. bill > On Mar 22, 2018, at 10:26 AM, richard kappler wrote: > > This is not a complaint, so no flaming. Yes, I'm a bit impatient, but > that's more "kid before Christmas" than annoyed custmoer. > > I ordered my first Elecraft last Thursday, the KX2 Shack in a box. The > website states quite clearly orders will ship in 5-7 days (business days > iirc), so I'm wondering, as I wait less than patiently, what happens during > those 5-7 dyas? Are the radios built to order? Are they built but go > through some testing process before shipping out? I'm figuring there must > be something going on to cause the 5-7 day delay, just wondering what it > is? > > -- > W2KAP > > In any given circuit, the most expensive part will always sacrifice itself > to protect the fuse. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to nr4c at widomaker.com From mike.ab3ap at gmail.com Thu Mar 22 11:52:46 2018 From: mike.ab3ap at gmail.com (Mike Markowski) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2018 11:52:46 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] k3util 32-bit problem on Ubuntu Message-ID: This is similar to the KX3 seg fault thread that is ongoing. For the first time in a few months I tried to run k3util on a 64-bit Ubuntu 17.10 system and discovered that it no longer works. I assume some OS update removed the 32-bit files I used. I *think* I used to have ia32-libs installed for that. I could be wrong, though, since that seems long out of date. Has anyone using Ubuntu got k3util to work? Elecraft developers, any chance of a 64-bit version? (Does anyone use 32-bit anymore?) I'll tack on some possibly helpful info below. Thanks! 73, Mike ab3ap ab3ap$ k3util k3util: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory ab3ap$ ldd k3util linux-gate.so.1 => (0xf7f0f000) libdl.so.2 => /lib/i386-linux-gnu/libdl.so.2 (0xf7ece000) libpthread.so.0 => /lib/i386-linux-gnu/libpthread.so.0 (0xf7eaf000) libstdc++.so.6 => not found libm.so.6 => /lib/i386-linux-gnu/libm.so.6 (0xf7db0000) libgcc_s.so.1 => /lib/i386-linux-gnu/libgcc_s.so.1 (0xf7d93000) libc.so.6 => /lib/i386-linux-gnu/libc.so.6 (0xf7bbd000) /lib/ld-linux.so.2 (0xf7f11000) ab3ap$ find /lib -name '*libstdc++*' ab3ap$ find /lib32 -name '*libstdc++*' ab3ap$ find /usr/lib -name '*libstdc++*' /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-linux-gnu/5/libstdc++.a /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-linux-gnu/5/libstdc++fs.a /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-linux-gnu/5/libstdc++.so /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-linux-gnu/7/libstdc++.a /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-linux-gnu/7/libstdc++fs.a /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-linux-gnu/7/libstdc++.so /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-linux-gnu/6/libstdc++.a /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-linux-gnu/6/libstdc++fs.a /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-linux-gnu/6/libstdc++.so /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libstdc++.so.6.0.24 /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libstdc++.so.6 From eric at elecraft.com Thu Mar 22 11:54:39 2018 From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2018 08:54:39 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Utility Segmentation Fault in Linux In-Reply-To: <1521678175188-0.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1520804959.9156.12.camel@gmx.de> <1521623970.6591.13.camel@gmail.com> <1521676067973-0.post@n2.nabble.com> <31c8874c-11ff-d6a8-3463-7504157b2d1d@elecraft.com> <1521678175188-0.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <17287e3e-b51b-57e1-7d29-f7b52904b12c@elecraft.com> Hi Knut, Because it relates to problems using our utility software his posting is certainly pertinent here. We have a lot of users who run our Utility s/w under Linux and the solution to his problem will help others. Just because you are not interested in a posting does not mean its inappropriate and does not interest others on the list. (The delete key is a wonderful tool to quickly eliminate those you do not wish to read..) Also, your posting below used the word 'period' at the end is what I referred to as rude and in essence orders them to take it elsewhere. "Ths Linux gobbledygook has no place here, period." It sounds like a parent disciplining a child. Neither a polite nor a respectful statement to another discussion list member. The last thing we want to do is to scare others away from asking questions or helping other on the list. If you have concerns about a posting please feel free to contact the list moderator and do -not- post them to the list. The moderator is the only list participant allowed to make any decisions about the appropriateness of a posting and to contact a poster or post on the list about them. Whew! - I guess people have been spending way too little time on the air and way too much time on the internet lately.. ;-)? I'm out of time on this topic - so let's end the discussion for now. 73, Eric ? WA6HHQ List moderator - when I have time away from my daily responsibilities at Elecraft.. /elecraft.com/ On 3/21/2018 5:22 PM, ab2tc wrote: > Hi, > > I've responded in a direct email to Eric, but maybe it it did not reach the > group. so here it is: > > Hi Eric, > > With all respect, I was not by any means rude. How can it be rude to ask > somebody to take take their problems elsewhere where they belong? I do not > think that purely operating systems problems have any place on the reflector > and that goes for Windows, too. Had it it been just one or two postings, I > wouldn't have been annoyed, but this was just going on and on with Linux > jargon forever understood by precious few. > > ab2tc - Knut > > > Please do not criticize or be rude to other's for their postings here. > That's > outside of Elecraft list guidelines. > > In fact, since this is KX3 Utility related (for the Linux version) their > postings were certainly OK. > > Eric > moderator from time to time.. > /elecraft.com/ From larry at Rn.org Thu Mar 22 12:03:56 2018 From: larry at Rn.org (Larry Snyder, HK2LS) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2018 11:03:56 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] RCForb remove audio issues (i.e.: Microphone remote) Message-ID: <16f401d3c1f7$62d2c760$28785620$@Rn.org> I have a PC connected to a K3. I am running RCForb on this computer. Remotely I am running RCForb Client. I can control the K3 (and KAT500 and KPA500) via the RCForb Client. I also can hear the audio remotely just fine. My issue is when I plug a Pro 7 into the remote PC into the pink Microphone jack the Microphone audio from the Pro 7 isn't making back to the PC and remote K3. When I talk into the Microphone I see the level change under Recording Microphone on the "RCForb client". On the PC with the K3 the speaker level isn't moving with my voice. As a side note, on the remote PC (connected via TeamViewer 13)I can fire up all the digital modes and I can make QSO's just fine (i.e.: the audio works just fine in both directions). Any ideas? Cheers from Colombia, HK2LS From gordon.lapoint at gmail.com Thu Mar 22 12:17:57 2018 From: gordon.lapoint at gmail.com (Gordon LaPoint) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2018 12:17:57 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] k3util 32-bit problem on Ubuntu In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <360fe31b-a35c-8571-17de-b5be44859fe5@gmail.com> ia32-libs is no longer used in the newer versions of ubuntu (debian).?? Instead install: lib32z1 lib32ncurses5 lib32bz2-1.0 This should fix the problems Gordon - N1MGO On 03/22/2018 11:52 AM, Mike Markowski wrote: > This is similar to the KX3 seg fault thread that is ongoing. > > For the first time in a few months I tried to run k3util on a 64-bit Ubuntu > 17.10 system and discovered that it no longer works. I assume some OS > update removed the 32-bit files I used. I *think* I used to have ia32-libs > installed for that. I could be wrong, though, since that seems long out of > date. > > Has anyone using Ubuntu got k3util to work? > > Elecraft developers, any chance of a 64-bit version? (Does anyone use > 32-bit anymore?) > > I'll tack on some possibly helpful info below. Thanks! > > 73, > Mike ab3ap > > ab3ap$ k3util > k3util: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++.so.6: cannot open > shared object file: No such file or directory > > ab3ap$ ldd k3util > linux-gate.so.1 => (0xf7f0f000) > libdl.so.2 => /lib/i386-linux-gnu/libdl.so.2 (0xf7ece000) > libpthread.so.0 => /lib/i386-linux-gnu/libpthread.so.0 (0xf7eaf000) > libstdc++.so.6 => not found > libm.so.6 => /lib/i386-linux-gnu/libm.so.6 (0xf7db0000) > libgcc_s.so.1 => /lib/i386-linux-gnu/libgcc_s.so.1 (0xf7d93000) > libc.so.6 => /lib/i386-linux-gnu/libc.so.6 (0xf7bbd000) > /lib/ld-linux.so.2 (0xf7f11000) > > ab3ap$ find /lib -name '*libstdc++*' > ab3ap$ find /lib32 -name '*libstdc++*' > ab3ap$ find /usr/lib -name '*libstdc++*' > /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-linux-gnu/5/libstdc++.a > /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-linux-gnu/5/libstdc++fs.a > /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-linux-gnu/5/libstdc++.so > /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-linux-gnu/7/libstdc++.a > /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-linux-gnu/7/libstdc++fs.a > /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-linux-gnu/7/libstdc++.so > /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-linux-gnu/6/libstdc++.a > /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-linux-gnu/6/libstdc++fs.a > /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-linux-gnu/6/libstdc++.so > /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libstdc++.so.6.0.24 > /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libstdc++.so.6 > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to gordon.lapoint at gmail.com -- Gordon - N1MGO From phystad at mac.com Thu Mar 22 12:22:15 2018 From: phystad at mac.com (Phil Hystad) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2018 09:22:15 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 Curiosity Question Message-ID: <1D5FAEC2-28F3-4769-AE3E-7296B7353EF3@mac.com> Is there a published circuit diagram of the KPA500, in particular the power supply? I was curious about the design of the power supply and had a few questions. Note: these are motivated merely by my curiosity and interest. I have no real need to know. For example, the KPA500 shows a block diagram of the amplifier & power supply and one of the voltage outputs is +270 and I was wondering what part of the amp circuit needs 270 volts, or 60 volts for that matter. In idle mode, the HV display on my KPA500 reads 71 volts. Thus, not 60 and not 270 volts. Another question -- the other voltages from the supply are +5, -12, and +12. I assume these are regulated voltages. But, is the +60 and +270 regulated? If these are regulated, what kind of voltage regulator is used. I am likely ignorant and even possibly naive in this area as I have only used low-voltage regulator chips and so do not even know if HV regulator chips even exist (would they be stacked devices?). End of questions for now. Yes, a circuit diagram would answer all my questions. 73, phil, K7PEH From k9yeq at live.com Thu Mar 22 12:38:12 2018 From: k9yeq at live.com (Bill Johnson) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2018 16:38:12 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 Curiosity Question In-Reply-To: <1D5FAEC2-28F3-4769-AE3E-7296B7353EF3@mac.com> References: <1D5FAEC2-28F3-4769-AE3E-7296B7353EF3@mac.com> Message-ID: Phil, I don't have a copy of the block diagram in front of me, but from what I witnessed the input ranges are up to the potential of 270 vac in. The output under load would be ~60vdc under load. What you are seeing in the block diagram appears to be misread, as the voltages are with the parameters of what I saw with my KPA500 when I owned one. Great amp.... hard to sell. 73, Bill K9YEQ -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of Phil Hystad Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2018 11:22 AM To: Elecraft Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 Curiosity Question Is there a published circuit diagram of the KPA500, in particular the power supply? I was curious about the design of the power supply and had a few questions. Note: these are motivated merely by my curiosity and interest. I have no real need to know. For example, the KPA500 shows a block diagram of the amplifier & power supply and one of the voltage outputs is +270 and I was wondering what part of the amp circuit needs 270 volts, or 60 volts for that matter. In idle mode, the HV display on my KPA500 reads 71 volts. Thus, not 60 and not 270 volts. Another question -- the other voltages from the supply are +5, -12, and +12. I assume these are regulated voltages. But, is the +60 and +270 regulated? If these are regulated, what kind of voltage regulator is used. I am likely ignorant and even possibly naive in this area as I have only used low-voltage regulator chips and so do not even know if HV regulator chips even exist (would they be stacked devices?). End of questions for now. Yes, a circuit diagram would answer all my questions. 73, phil, K7PEH ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to k9yeq at live.com From c-hawley at illinois.edu Thu Mar 22 12:45:34 2018 From: c-hawley at illinois.edu (hawley, charles j jr) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2018 16:45:34 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 Curiosity Question In-Reply-To: <1D5FAEC2-28F3-4769-AE3E-7296B7353EF3@mac.com> References: <1D5FAEC2-28F3-4769-AE3E-7296B7353EF3@mac.com> Message-ID: <9F48E950-02F9-43D8-986E-EC8488C976E0@illinois.edu> The 270 volts is bias for the pin diode switching. It?s generated with a voltage triplet off the 60 volt supply transformer. Chuck KE9UW c-hawley at illinois.edu Sent from my iPad > On Mar 22, 2018, at 11:24 AM, Phil Hystad wrote: > > Is there a published circuit diagram of the KPA500, in particular the power supply? I was curious about the design of the power supply and had a few questions. Note: these are motivated merely by my curiosity and interest. I have no real need to know. > > For example, the KPA500 shows a block diagram of the amplifier & power supply and one of the voltage outputs is +270 and I was wondering what part of the amp circuit needs 270 volts, or 60 volts for that matter. > > In idle mode, the HV display on my KPA500 reads 71 volts. Thus, not 60 and not 270 volts. > > Another question -- the other voltages from the supply are +5, -12, and +12. I assume these are regulated voltages. But, is the +60 and +270 regulated? If these are regulated, what kind of voltage regulator is used. I am likely ignorant and even possibly naive in this area as I have only used low-voltage regulator chips and so do not even know if HV regulator chips even exist (would they be stacked devices?). > > End of questions for now. Yes, a circuit diagram would answer all my questions. > > 73, phil, K7PEH > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to c-hawley at illinois.edu From phystad at mac.com Thu Mar 22 12:57:28 2018 From: phystad at mac.com (Phil Hystad) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2018 09:57:28 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 Curiosity Question In-Reply-To: <1D5FAEC2-28F3-4769-AE3E-7296B7353EF3@mac.com> References: <1D5FAEC2-28F3-4769-AE3E-7296B7353EF3@mac.com> Message-ID: Thanks to those who answered my questions. Quick response on ye olde electraft group. 73, phil > On Mar 22, 2018, at 9:22 AM, Phil Hystad wrote: > > Is there a published circuit diagram of the KPA500, in particular the power supply? I was curious about the design of the power supply and had a few questions. Note: these are motivated merely by my curiosity and interest. I have no real need to know. > > For example, the KPA500 shows a block diagram of the amplifier & power supply and one of the voltage outputs is +270 and I was wondering what part of the amp circuit needs 270 volts, or 60 volts for that matter. > > In idle mode, the HV display on my KPA500 reads 71 volts. Thus, not 60 and not 270 volts. > > Another question -- the other voltages from the supply are +5, -12, and +12. I assume these are regulated voltages. But, is the +60 and +270 regulated? If these are regulated, what kind of voltage regulator is used. I am likely ignorant and even possibly naive in this area as I have only used low-voltage regulator chips and so do not even know if HV regulator chips even exist (would they be stacked devices?). > > End of questions for now. Yes, a circuit diagram would answer all my questions. > > 73, phil, K7PEH > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to phystad at mac.com From g4gnx at g4gnx.com Thu Mar 22 13:07:44 2018 From: g4gnx at g4gnx.com (G4GNX) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2018 17:07:44 -0000 Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 Isolation In-Reply-To: <9BC4AF20-53BA-4482-922A-BE67305DF662@gmail.com> References: <9BC4AF20-53BA-4482-922A-BE67305DF662@gmail.com> Message-ID: ISTR that the isolation between antenna ports is around 30dB. Allowing for inaccuracies, your S9 down to S2 reading seems entirely reasonable. 73, Alan. G4GNX -----Original Message----- From: kq5stom at gmail.com Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2018 1:58 PM To: Elecraft Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 Isolation I decided to hook my dummy load to antenna two on the KAT500 with my main antenna being on antenna 1. When I get a strong signal on my main antenna and switch the KAT500 to port 2 (dummy load) the KAT500 I can still copy the signal on my K3S though the strength is down from S9+ to about S2. I can keep the KAT500 on antenna 2 (dummy load) and disconnect the dummy load from the back of the KAT500 and still hear the signal. I was using an Alpha Delta 4 port coax switch to switch between my main antenna and a dummy load. All was well. No signal being heard when I switched to the dummy load. In this configuration I had antenna 1 from the KAT500 going to the Alpha Delta switch and then out to my antenna. ?????? 73, Tom - KQ5S From elecraftcovers at gmail.com Thu Mar 22 13:22:49 2018 From: elecraftcovers at gmail.com (Rose) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2018 11:22:49 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Order handling Message-ID: As a shipper of hundreds (thousands?) of Elecraft carrying cases and dust covers, I'll offer the following: Priority Mail via the USPS is the only way to go. I've never had a package ... either padded envelope or box ... take more than three days to reach -anywhere- in the US. Plus, for the shipping cost I get a delivery date and tracking number that I provide to the customer so he/she can track the package. I once had a package go from my MT P.O. to delivery in Turkey in five days! All my vendors are told of they use FedEx it will be the last order they receive from me. I once had a packet of legal papers thrown into a driveway puddle and left by a FedEx delivery person. Plus, their closest office is 50+ miles away. FWIW ... 73! Rose - N7HKW ElecraftCovers at gmail.com 1-406-560-3738 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Thu, Mar 22, 2018 at 8:57 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > Richard, > > That delay is stated to "cover all bases" to include weekends. > > There are several reasons. > First, there is simply the time to assemble your order and ship it. > Second is the time to process your order and get the paperwork from sales > to shipping. > Thirdly - yes, you order will be run through a final test before shipping. > > Other delays may be possible if some part of your order is not currently > in stock, and in that event you will be notified and you will be asked > whether to ship-now, or hold until everything is available. > > Shipping time is not included. Normal orders ship UPS Ground, and if you > are not in-state for California, UPS can take another 5-7 days to arrive. > If you are in a hurry, choose USPS Priority Mail and it will take 2 to 3 > days. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 3/22/2018 10:26 AM, richard kappler wrote: > >> This is not a complaint, so no flaming. Yes, I'm a bit impatient, but >> that's more "kid before Christmas" than annoyed custmoer. >> >> I ordered my first Elecraft last Thursday, the KX2 Shack in a box. The >> website states quite clearly orders will ship in 5-7 days (business days >> iirc), so I'm wondering, as I wait less than patiently, what happens >> during >> those 5-7 dyas? Are the radios built to order? Are they built but go >> through some testing process before shipping out? I'm figuring there must >> be something going on to cause the 5-7 day delay, just wondering what it >> is? >> >> From kl7uw at acsalaska.net Thu Mar 22 14:05:46 2018 From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2018 10:05:46 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Second Try--Re: K3: CM500 vs. SB40 Message-ID: <201803221805.w2MI5lS8023868@mail40c28.carrierzone.com> Kjeld, I briefly mentioned that I have a "blue-tooth appliance" (without explanation what it does). My hearing aids support blue-tooth connection which requires a separate remote (cost $450) that enables connecting to blue-tooth accessories: my i-phone5, for example. The remote provides mic for that connection. With the remote came the "appliance" which has a 3.5mm phone plug and works with any audio source (like a stereo or a ham radio). Just plug the appliance into the headphone jack and you hear the audio via blue-tooth. Hearing aid batteries last about two hours in use with blue-tooth vs lasting six days normal use. To use the Phonak system would require buying new hearing aids (current pair cost me $5200 two years ago), so that is not going to happen. To the rest of the reflector, my apology for the OT subject. 73, Ed - KL7UW From: "Kjeld Holm" To: "'Hank Garretson'" , "'Jim Brown'" Cc: 'Elecraft Reflector' Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Second Try--Re: K3: CM500 vs. SB40 Regarding hearing aids you may be interested in a product that can send LF from K3 directly to your hearing aids. The Danish company Phonak are selling a device under the name of TVLink which plugs into the line out, Scart, headphone or external speaker connector and from it's console sends in stereo to your hearing aids. I have been using this for about 6 years now and it is the best "headphones" I have ever had! The price is about 3000 Danish kroner which is something like 450 US $. Vy de OZ1CCM, Kjeld 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com Dubus-NA Business mail: dubususa at gmail.com From markmusick at sbcglobal.net Thu Mar 22 14:14:13 2018 From: markmusick at sbcglobal.net (Mark E. Musick) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2018 18:14:13 -0000 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 internal connectors In-Reply-To: <5ab3c423.bb97500a.17a9a.996d@mx.google.com> References: <5ab3c423.bb97500a.17a9a.996d@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <008701d3c209$9635aa70$c2a0ff50$@sbcglobal.net> Hi Tom, When I had K3 serial No. 3505 in for upgrades they upgraded it to the gold pins. I asked the same question and was told it was somewhere between 4000 and 4100. They can't give an exact number due to some orders being kits versus the factory assembled units. Mark, WB9CIF -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of Tom Boucher Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2018 2:57 PM To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] K3 internal connectors Can anyone tell me at what point (Date-S/No.) Elecraft started fitting gold flashed connector pins on the internal connectors? A member of our contest group is interested in buying a used K3 and I have advised him not to get an older one because of the connector reliability issues. Thanks, Tom G3OLB Sent from PITA Mail for Windows 10 ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to markmusick at sbcglobal.net From tommy58 at hvc.rr.com Thu Mar 22 14:22:02 2018 From: tommy58 at hvc.rr.com (Tommy) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2018 14:22:02 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Order handling In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: ? And your package will less likely be tossed around or thrown down! 73! Tom - KB2SMS On 03/22/2018 01:22 PM, Rose wrote: > As a shipper of hundreds (thousands?) of Elecraft carrying cases > and dust covers, I'll offer the following: > > Priority Mail via the USPS is the only way to go. I've never had a > package ... either padded envelope or box ... take more than three > days to reach -anywhere- in the US. > > Plus, for the shipping cost I get a delivery date and tracking number > that I provide to the customer so he/she can track the package. > > I once had a package go from my MT P.O. to delivery in Turkey in > five days! > > All my vendors are told of they use FedEx it will be the last order > they receive from me. I once had a packet of legal papers thrown > into a driveway puddle and left by a FedEx delivery person. Plus, > their closest office is 50+ miles away. > > FWIW ... > > 73! > > Rose - N7HKW > ElecraftCovers at gmail.com > 1-406-560-3738 > From ghyoungman at gmail.com Thu Mar 22 14:36:04 2018 From: ghyoungman at gmail.com (GRANT YOUNGMAN) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2018 14:36:04 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 internal connectors In-Reply-To: <008701d3c209$9635aa70$c2a0ff50$@sbcglobal.net> References: <5ab3c423.bb97500a.17a9a.996d@mx.google.com> <008701d3c209$9635aa70$c2a0ff50$@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: The connectors are not difficult to replace. I know that some folks have had issues. My own K3 is a 2000-range serial number and I?ve not yet had any kind of problem. I did replace the pins on the 100W amp module as a preventative, but have not done so on the FP board, although I have the pins. But that can likely also be fixed by unplugging, putting on a bit of DeOxit, and plugging back in. The wiping action alone of plugging and unplugging a couple of times will likely take care of it on its own ? although I?m sure someone has a different opinion, because that?s the way it is :-) Grant NQ5T K3 #2091, KX3 #8342 > On Mar 22, 2018, at 2:14 PM, Mark E. Musick wrote: > > Hi Tom, > When I had K3 serial No. 3505 in for upgrades they upgraded it to the gold > pins. I asked the same question and was told it was somewhere between 4000 > and 4100. They can't give an exact number due to some orders being kits > versus the factory assembled units. > > Mark, WB9CIF > > -----Original Message----- > From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net On > Behalf Of Tom Boucher > Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2018 2:57 PM > To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: [Elecraft] K3 internal connectors > > Can anyone tell me at what point (Date-S/No.) Elecraft started fitting gold > flashed connector pins on the internal connectors? A member of our contest > group is interested in buying a used K3 and I have advised him not to get an > older one because of the connector reliability issues. > From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Thu Mar 22 14:46:21 2018 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2018 11:46:21 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Second Try--Re: K3: CM500 vs. SB40 In-Reply-To: <201803221805.w2MI5lS8023868@mail40c28.carrierzone.com> References: <201803221805.w2MI5lS8023868@mail40c28.carrierzone.com> Message-ID: <8e9974d5-8207-b95f-55c9-1cfd05f9d1e2@audiosystemsgroup.com> On 3/22/2018 11:05 AM, Edward R Cole wrote: > I briefly mentioned that I have a "blue-tooth appliance" (without > explanation what it does). For aids that include a telecoil (magnetic transducer), there are much less expensive neck loops that plug into a headphone jack. For RF-based hearing impaired systems that I designed and specified for public spaces, I specified the Comtek NTC-102 neck loop. I see it listed at $95 from internet vendors. It has the obvious advantage of zero latency. This is a relatively rugged professional product from a company based in Salt Lake City. It's something that could easily be built -- the only unknown is whether the loop is a single turn or multiple turns, and this could easily be learned by winding one and trying it. 73, Jim K9YC From donwilh at embarqmail.com Thu Mar 22 14:25:25 2018 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2018 14:25:25 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 internal connectors In-Reply-To: <5ab3c423.bb97500a.17a9a.996d@mx.google.com> References: <5ab3c423.bb97500a.17a9a.996d@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <7c5f5eb7-b6ed-3b4a-525c-5eb536b821b1@embarqmail.com> Tom, I don't know the date, but what I can tell you is that the replacement pins are supplied by Elecraft at no cost. They are not difficult to change, it just takes some time. 73, Don W3FPR On 3/22/2018 10:56 AM, Tom Boucher wrote: > Can anyone tell me at what point (Date-S/No.) Elecraft started fitting gold flashed connector pins on the internal connectors? A member of our contest group is interested in buying a used K3 and I have advised him not to get an older one because of the connector reliability issues. > > Thanks, > Tom G3OLB From kc2vic at gmail.com Thu Mar 22 15:11:54 2018 From: kc2vic at gmail.com (Robert Felmey) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2018 15:11:54 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] k3util 32-bit problem on Ubuntu In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Mike, Yes, this is probably along the lines of the thread I started. However, despite the internet running on Linux and it being open source, it seems to infuriate people to see posts about it. To answer your question, yes, there is an effort to make a 64 bit version. I helped Dave Fleming who maintains the software for Elecraft test a 64 bit version of the kx3util binary. It worked perfectly with an up to date Linux install. Not sure what the timeline is for release but contact me if you end up being stuck. I would try installing the packages suggested by Gordon first. Rob On Mar 22, 2018 11:54 AM, "Mike Markowski" wrote: This is similar to the KX3 seg fault thread that is ongoing. For the first time in a few months I tried to run k3util on a 64-bit Ubuntu 17.10 system and discovered that it no longer works. I assume some OS update removed the 32-bit files I used. I *think* I used to have ia32-libs installed for that. I could be wrong, though, since that seems long out of date. Has anyone using Ubuntu got k3util to work? Elecraft developers, any chance of a 64-bit version? (Does anyone use 32-bit anymore?) I'll tack on some possibly helpful info below. Thanks! 73, Mike ab3ap ab3ap$ k3util k3util: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory ab3ap$ ldd k3util linux-gate.so.1 => (0xf7f0f000) libdl.so.2 => /lib/i386-linux-gnu/libdl.so.2 (0xf7ece000) libpthread.so.0 => /lib/i386-linux-gnu/libpthread.so.0 (0xf7eaf000) libstdc++.so.6 => not found libm.so.6 => /lib/i386-linux-gnu/libm.so.6 (0xf7db0000) libgcc_s.so.1 => /lib/i386-linux-gnu/libgcc_s.so.1 (0xf7d93000) libc.so.6 => /lib/i386-linux-gnu/libc.so.6 (0xf7bbd000) /lib/ld-linux.so.2 (0xf7f11000) ab3ap$ find /lib -name '*libstdc++*' ab3ap$ find /lib32 -name '*libstdc++*' ab3ap$ find /usr/lib -name '*libstdc++*' /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-linux-gnu/5/libstdc++.a /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-linux-gnu/5/libstdc++fs.a /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-linux-gnu/5/libstdc++.so /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-linux-gnu/7/libstdc++.a /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-linux-gnu/7/libstdc++fs.a /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-linux-gnu/7/libstdc++.so /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-linux-gnu/6/libstdc++.a /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-linux-gnu/6/libstdc++fs.a /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-linux-gnu/6/libstdc++.so /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libstdc++.so.6.0.24 /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libstdc++.so.6 ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to kc2vic at gmail.com From donwilh at embarqmail.com Thu Mar 22 15:27:13 2018 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2018 15:27:13 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 internal connectors In-Reply-To: References: <5ab3c423.bb97500a.17a9a.996d@mx.google.com> <008701d3c209$9635aa70$c2a0ff50$@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <6d2ccb01-6bb0-6531-d558-dc3dfd7db70a@embarqmail.com> The best and easiest way to remove the front panel pins is to cut the plastic strip on the pins into small enough pieces so you can pull the strip off the pins - then remove the pins one at a time. Clean up with solder wick, and if solder remains in the holes, heat the solder pad and push it out with a wooden toothpick or a stainless steel needle. 73, Don W3FPR On 3/22/2018 2:36 PM, GRANT YOUNGMAN wrote: > The connectors are not difficult to replace. > > I know that some folks have had issues. From ns9i at bayland.net Thu Mar 22 16:13:03 2018 From: ns9i at bayland.net (dgb) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2018 16:13:03 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Order handling In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <697e633d-4583-5706-a77e-ab7953e96eb8@bayland.net> As of late, all my Priority packages have been taking 4 -5 days down here in NC - I asked the P.O. today about that and, they said you must use Priority Express. 73 Dwight NS9I On 3/22/2018 1:22 PM, Rose wrote: > As a shipper of hundreds (thousands?) of Elecraft carrying cases > and dust covers, I'll offer the following: > > Priority Mail via the USPS is the only way to go. I've never had a > package ... either padded envelope or box ... take more than three > days to reach -anywhere- in the US. > > Plus, for the shipping cost I get a delivery date and tracking number > that I provide to the customer so he/she can track the package. > > I once had a package go from my MT P.O. to delivery in Turkey in > five days! > > All my vendors are told of they use FedEx it will be the last order > they receive from me. I once had a packet of legal papers thrown > into a driveway puddle and left by a FedEx delivery person. Plus, > their closest office is 50+ miles away. > > FWIW ... > > 73! > > Rose - N7HKW > ElecraftCovers at gmail.com > 1-406-560-3738 > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > On Thu, Mar 22, 2018 at 8:57 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > >> Richard, >> >> That delay is stated to "cover all bases" to include weekends. >> >> There are several reasons. >> First, there is simply the time to assemble your order and ship it. >> Second is the time to process your order and get the paperwork from sales >> to shipping. >> Thirdly - yes, you order will be run through a final test before shipping. >> >> Other delays may be possible if some part of your order is not currently >> in stock, and in that event you will be notified and you will be asked >> whether to ship-now, or hold until everything is available. >> >> Shipping time is not included. Normal orders ship UPS Ground, and if you >> are not in-state for California, UPS can take another 5-7 days to arrive. >> If you are in a hurry, choose USPS Priority Mail and it will take 2 to 3 >> days. >> >> 73, >> Don W3FPR >> >> On 3/22/2018 10:26 AM, richard kappler wrote: >> >>> This is not a complaint, so no flaming. Yes, I'm a bit impatient, but >>> that's more "kid before Christmas" than annoyed custmoer. >>> >>> I ordered my first Elecraft last Thursday, the KX2 Shack in a box. The >>> website states quite clearly orders will ship in 5-7 days (business days >>> iirc), so I'm wondering, as I wait less than patiently, what happens >>> during >>> those 5-7 dyas? Are the radios built to order? Are they built but go >>> through some testing process before shipping out? I'm figuring there must >>> be something going on to cause the 5-7 day delay, just wondering what it >>> is? >>> >>> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to ns9i at bayland.net > > From ghyoungman at gmail.com Thu Mar 22 16:41:00 2018 From: ghyoungman at gmail.com (GRANT YOUNGMAN) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2018 16:41:00 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Order handling In-Reply-To: <697e633d-4583-5706-a77e-ab7953e96eb8@bayland.net> References: <697e633d-4583-5706-a77e-ab7953e96eb8@bayland.net> Message-ID: <2EE94AA9-1D4D-44DE-8B5A-3F69F26D097F@gmail.com> Do your packages come through Jacksonville, or somewhere else ? Charleston, maybe?. Down here in the radio equipment and parts wasteland of Savannah, everything comes through Jacksonville. I actually think if I mail my Savannah water bill from my PO (in the same county as Savannah), it goes to Jacksonville and then comes back. In any case, virtually everything I purchase these days is shipped Priority Mail (not ?Express? Priority). I almost always get Priority packages (from anywhere) in 2 days (not counting the day it was accepted at the local PO). Once in a great while it takes 3 days. > On Mar 22, 2018, at 4:13 PM, dgb wrote: > > As of late, all my Priority packages have been taking 4 -5 days down here in NC - I asked the P.O. today about that and, they said you must use Priority Express. > > 73 Dwight NS9I > > > Grant NQ5T K3 #2091, KX3 #8342 From k6dgw at foothill.net Thu Mar 22 16:40:59 2018 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2018 13:40:59 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Order handling In-Reply-To: <697e633d-4583-5706-a77e-ab7953e96eb8@bayland.net> References: <697e633d-4583-5706-a77e-ab7953e96eb8@bayland.net> Message-ID: <30c05fb6-9235-73dd-31b9-b842f0eadf8c@foothill.net> Ummm ... sounds like a bureaucratic answer. The only Priority mail packages we have sent over the last 10 years or so that have taken more than 2 days are those to APO/FPO addresses.? Those generally take between 7-10 days depending on where our troop is actually located.? I just mailed a Priority envelope last Mon and our PO says 2-3 days.? It got there in 2. 73, Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW Sparks NV DM09dn Washoe County On 3/22/2018 1:13 PM, dgb wrote: > As of late, all my Priority packages have been taking 4 -5 days down > here in NC - I asked the P.O. today about that and, they said you must > use Priority Express. > > 73 Dwight NS9I From wes_n7ws at triconet.org Thu Mar 22 16:54:49 2018 From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes Stewart) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2018 13:54:49 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Order handling In-Reply-To: <2EE94AA9-1D4D-44DE-8B5A-3F69F26D097F@gmail.com> References: <697e633d-4583-5706-a77e-ab7953e96eb8@bayland.net> <2EE94AA9-1D4D-44DE-8B5A-3F69F26D097F@gmail.com> Message-ID: <91b89591-428c-79df-e323-f1454efccffd@triconet.org> Tucson, with about a million people using that as as their city address, has no post office anymore. If I mailed a letter to my neighbor it would go to Phoenix and come back. Wes? N7WS On 3/22/2018 1:41 PM, GRANT YOUNGMAN wrote: > I actually think if I mail my Savannah water bill from my PO (in the same county as Savannah), it goes to Jacksonville and then comes back. From donwilh at embarqmail.com Thu Mar 22 16:56:02 2018 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2018 16:56:02 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Order handling In-Reply-To: <697e633d-4583-5706-a77e-ab7953e96eb8@bayland.net> References: <697e633d-4583-5706-a77e-ab7953e96eb8@bayland.net> Message-ID: <21d2c1fa-047d-404f-961a-1b5f4ce39725@embarqmail.com> Dwight, Not here in the Raleigh area of NC. If you are in a remote area, then I guess it might be possible that it would take 4 - 5 days, it depends on your local post office. That really should not be true, unless there was an intervening Sunday involved which would delay it a day when it is shipped on a Saturday. The day it is dropped off at the Post Office is not counted. If it can get to the sorting facility before Sunday, it will be send on its way with no delay. I got two USPS deliveries today - both had Click-n-Ship labels, so I don't know when they were actually dropped off. One label was marked 3/19/18 and the other 3/20/18 - so that complies with the 2 to 3 days in both cases. I regularly get packages of parts from Elecraft via either 1st class mail or Priority Mail from Watsonville, CA and they arrive in 2 to 3 days. 73, Don W3FPR On 3/22/2018 4:13 PM, dgb wrote: > As of late, all my Priority packages have been taking 4 -5 days down > here in NC - I asked the P.O. today about that and, they said you must > use Priority Express. > > 73 Dwight NS9I > From elecraftcovers at gmail.com Thu Mar 22 17:03:14 2018 From: elecraftcovers at gmail.com (Rose) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2018 15:03:14 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Postal terminology Message-ID: Like an earlier poster said ... it sounds like you got a "bureaucratic" reply from the postal employee ... or one who simply doesn't know the difference(s). USPS Priority Express is a service that uses a limited range of box sizes that you buy from a P.O.. These boxes -must- be used for Priority Express. Priority Mail is a completely different critter. I buy specifically-sized boxes and padded envelopes from U-line that are almost exact fits for my cases and covers. Have a look at this site: http://tinyurl.com/7lm3m5 . I think the photos there will illustrate my point. Hint: Google is your friend for additional information. A letter posted to a local in town address goes Billings and back ... about 700 miles ... and always bears a Billings postmark. Go figure! (:-) FWIW ... 73! Rose - N7HKW ElecraftCovers at gmail.com From ebasilier at cox.net Thu Mar 22 17:30:56 2018 From: ebasilier at cox.net (Erik Basilier) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2018 14:30:56 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Rocket causes temporary hole in ionosphere, affects GPS Message-ID: <032101d3c225$1081b1f0$318515d0$@cox.net> https://arstechnica.com/science/2018/03/spacex-launch-last-year-punched-huge -temporary-hole-in-the-ionosphere/ 73, Erik K7TV From mike.ab3ap at gmail.com Thu Mar 22 17:43:21 2018 From: mike.ab3ap at gmail.com (Mike Markowski) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2018 17:43:21 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] k3util 32-bit problem on Ubuntu In-Reply-To: <360fe31b-a35c-8571-17de-b5be44859fe5@gmail.com> References: <360fe31b-a35c-8571-17de-b5be44859fe5@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4c39092e-86e3-1fa8-14bb-00827526d0bd@gmail.com> Thanks, Gordon. lib32bz2-1.0 is not known by Ubuntu, but after some experimenting and googling based on your help I discovered: apt-get install lib32stdc++6 Progress, but now: ab3ap$ ./k3util Failed to find/load Framework library /home/mm/ham/elecraft/k3/k3util_1_15_6_27/./RBGUIFramework.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory Quick hack, I copied k3util into the "k3util Libs" directory [Unix name with space (?) :-( ] But no joy: ab3ap$ ./k3util Failed to find/load Framework library libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory Easy, right? Install the aging gtk2: ab3ap# apt-get install libgtk2.0-0 Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done libgtk2.0-0 is already the newest version (2.24.31-2ubuntu1). 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. I forgot. It's of course 64-bit, as one would expect, so: apt-get install libgtk2.0-0:i386 however this wants to install very many old 32-bit libraries. Ugh. I'm reluctant to turn my machine into a relic for this old software, though my K3 will become a (firmware) relic if I don't. Not a good solution either way. Debating what to do... 73, Mike ab3ap On 03/22/2018 12:17 PM, Gordon LaPoint wrote: > ia32-libs is no longer used in the newer versions of ubuntu (debian). > Instead install: > lib32z1 lib32ncurses5 lib32bz2-1.0 > This should fix the problems > > Gordon - N1MGO From mike.ab3ap at gmail.com Thu Mar 22 17:46:20 2018 From: mike.ab3ap at gmail.com (Mike Markowski) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2018 17:46:20 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] k3util 32-bit problem on Ubuntu In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <417d6217-ccd4-6d6e-ac33-b56c49198aee@gmail.com> Rob and all, On 03/22/2018 03:11 PM, Robert Felmey wrote: > Yes, this is probably along the lines of the thread I started.? However, > despite the internet running on Linux and it being open source, it seems > to infuriate people to see posts about it. :-) I started a note and stopped several times over the past weeks for that very reason. > To answer your question, yes, there is an effort to make a 64 bit > version.? I helped Dave Fleming who maintains the software for Elecraft > test a 64 bit version of the kx3util binary.? It worked perfectly with > an up to date Linux install. Excellent news! Thanks for sharing that. I will stand in the shadows and wait patiently now. :-) 73! Mike ab3ap From k6dgw at foothill.net Thu Mar 22 18:14:33 2018 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2018 15:14:33 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Postal terminology In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <15b56295-957a-8792-c520-509edfffc31c@foothill.net> I was the "earlier poster."? While I was still employed, my employer occasionally did contract work for the USPS.? It was enlightening.? It would seem that mail would be collected from local boxes [including pieces mailed at a local PO], sorted into "here" and "everywhere else", and the "here" mail routed to the appropriate mail carrier.? Alas, even then, most of the sorting was much more cheaply done using automation, and in many cases, the pickup from mail boxes was contracted out.? While it sounds counter intuitive, having regional sorting and distribution centers that can make use of and leverage major automation is the best way to move the mail. FedX originally sent everything to Memphis in the evening, processed it, and then sent it back out early in the AM ... even a package heading for the same town as it was "mailed" in. 73, Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW Sparks NV DM09dn Washoe County On 3/22/2018 2:03 PM, Rose wrote: > Like an earlier poster said ... it sounds like you got a "bureaucratic" > reply from the postal employee ... or one who simply doesn't know > the difference(s). > > USPS Priority Express is a service that uses a limited range of box > sizes that you buy from a P.O.. These boxes -must- be used for Priority > Express. Priority Mail is a completely different critter. > > I buy specifically-sized boxes and padded envelopes from U-line that > are almost exact fits for my cases and covers. Have a look at this > site: http://tinyurl.com/7lm3m5 . I think the photos there will illustrate > my point. > > Hint: Google is your friend for additional information. > > A letter posted to a local in town address goes Billings and back ... > about 700 miles ... and always bears a Billings postmark. Go figure! (:-) > > FWIW ... > > 73! > > Rose - N7HKW > ElecraftCovers at gmail.com > From jmlowman at sbcglobal.net Thu Mar 22 18:13:58 2018 From: jmlowman at sbcglobal.net (Jim Low man) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2018 15:13:58 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Postal terminology In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I mailed a St. Patrick?s Day card to the girlfriend on Wednesday of that week. It showed up the Monday after. We?re talking about a driving distance of 15-20 minutes, from this facility to her home. And there?s a major postal distribution center here in Redlands. 73 de Jim-AD6CW > On Mar 22, 2018, at 2:03 PM, Rose wrote: > > I buy specifically-sized boxes and padded envelopes from U-line that > are almost exact fits for my cases and covers. Have a look at this > site: http://tinyurl.com/7lm3m5 . I think the photos there will illustrate > my point. > > Hint: Google is your friend for additional information. > > A letter posted to a local in town address goes Billings and back ... > about 700 miles ... and always bears a Billings postmark. Go figure! (:-) > > FWIW ... > > 73! > > From kstover at ac0h.net Thu Mar 22 18:47:52 2018 From: kstover at ac0h.net (kstover at ac0h.net) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2018 17:47:52 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Postal terminology In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000001d3c22f$d11bfc40$7353f4c0$@ac0h.net> This is what we used to send my stepson and nephew care packages when they were deployed to Iraq and Afghanistan. 5 deployments between them. Mom/Aunt, God rest her soul, was in charge of filling the boxes and I got the PO duty, filling out paperwork and getting more boxes. Two and a half years. I loved watching her do it. It brought a smile to my face. -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of Rose Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2018 4:03 PM To: Elecraft Reflector Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Postal terminology Like an earlier poster said ... it sounds like you got a "bureaucratic" reply from the postal employee ... or one who simply doesn't know the difference(s). USPS Priority Express is a service that uses a limited range of box sizes that you buy from a P.O.. These boxes -must- be used for Priority Express. Priority Mail is a completely different critter. I buy specifically-sized boxes and padded envelopes from U-line that are almost exact fits for my cases and covers. Have a look at this site: http://tinyurl.com/7lm3m5 . I think the photos there will illustrate my point. Hint: Google is your friend for additional information. A letter posted to a local in town address goes Billings and back ... about 700 miles ... and always bears a Billings postmark. Go figure! (:-) FWIW ... 73! Rose - N7HKW ElecraftCovers at gmail.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to kstover at ac0h.net From donwilh at embarqmail.com Thu Mar 22 19:40:21 2018 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2018 19:40:21 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 ALC In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8ffdeb4f-8534-0c73-d9f7-a8da9244bb1d@embarqmail.com> Yes, I will provide a response. Bill is entirely correct. Select the proper soundcard in your application - in the case of the internal soundcard in the K3S (or upgraded K3) it is "USB AUDIO CODEC". Then set the audio levels in the various controls as Bill indicated - midrange or a bit below to produce 4 bars on the ALC meter with the 5th bar flashing. Adjust the power with the K3S power knob. You may have up to 3 gain controls to contend with and juggle. 1) the software application may have a slider (some are marked "POWER"), 2) the OS soundcard audio output (speaker or line out) level, and 3) the K3/K3S line in level. Set them all at midrange or a bit below so nothing is overloaded until you can achieve the 4 bars solid with the 5th bar flashing. You can do that adjustment in TX TEST mode, so you do not bother folks on the band with your testing. For more information on the "why" of all this, go to my website www.w3fpr.com and in the left column, scroll down to the last entry. Click on that link to take you to the article. 73, Don W3FPR On 3/22/2018 8:57 AM, Nr4c wrote: > You?re sure to get Dons response to this. But, it?s really the same as before. > > Using the USB cable for audio be sure to select USB AUDIO CODEC as sound device for both recording and playback. Now bring up the Windows mixer and set the level for playback (transmit) to about 30%. Now adjust the Line In (Mic Gain) to get 4 solid bars and fifth flickering. If the granularity is too coarse, set windows mixer level lower, maybe 20%. Try the radio again. I have set my Windows level quite low but get fine control with K3S Lime In Control. It is very stable and repeatable. As before, set Power with PWR knob on radio. From Andy at rickham.net Fri Mar 23 03:08:19 2018 From: Andy at rickham.net (Andy McMullin) Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2018 07:08:19 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Postal terminology In-Reply-To: <000001d3c22f$d11bfc40$7353f4c0$@ac0h.net> References: <000001d3c22f$d11bfc40$7353f4c0$@ac0h.net> Message-ID: <31F56407-EB9F-4EF4-890E-F85DBF72A113@rickham.net> Now unlike the use of Elecraft supplied software on Linux - the problems and reminiscences about the US postal service is a subject that should be dropped! It?s of absolutely no interest to the world - just the USA. Has nothing to do with a Elecraft hardware or software. Has nothing to do with radio. Sent from my iPhone > On 22 Mar 2018, at 22:47, wrote: > > This is what we used to send my stepson and nephew care packages when they > were deployed to Iraq and Afghanistan. 5 deployments between them. Mom/Aunt, > God rest her soul, was in charge of filling the boxes and I got the PO duty, > filling out paperwork and getting more boxes. Two and a half years. > > I loved watching her do it. It brought a smile to my face. > > -----Original Message----- > From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net On > Behalf Of Rose > Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2018 4:03 PM > To: Elecraft Reflector > Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Postal terminology > > Like an earlier poster said ... it sounds like you got a "bureaucratic" > reply from the postal employee ... or one who simply doesn't know the > difference(s). > > USPS Priority Express is a service that uses a limited range of box sizes > that you buy from a P.O.. These boxes -must- be used for Priority Express. > Priority Mail is a completely different critter. > > I buy specifically-sized boxes and padded envelopes from U-line that > are almost exact fits for my cases and covers. Have a look at this > site: http://tinyurl.com/7lm3m5 . I think the photos there will illustrate > my point. > > Hint: Google is your friend for additional information. > > A letter posted to a local in town address goes Billings and back ... > about 700 miles ... and always bears a Billings postmark. Go figure! (:-) > > FWIW ... > > 73! > > Rose - N7HKW > ElecraftCovers at gmail.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message > delivered to kstover at ac0h.net > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to andy at rickham.net From tim at sy-edm.com Fri Mar 23 03:11:50 2018 From: tim at sy-edm.com (a45wg) Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2018 11:11:50 +0400 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Postal terminology In-Reply-To: <31F56407-EB9F-4EF4-890E-F85DBF72A113@rickham.net> References: <000001d3c22f$d11bfc40$7353f4c0$@ac0h.net> <31F56407-EB9F-4EF4-890E-F85DBF72A113@rickham.net> Message-ID: <96710890-F8C6-4603-9F12-017003F25B37@sy-edm.com> Well Said Or go back to shipping in multiple Boxes !! > On Mar 23, 2018, at 11:08 AM, Andy McMullin wrote: > > Now unlike the use of Elecraft supplied software on Linux - the problems and reminiscences about the US postal service is a subject that should be dropped! > > It?s of absolutely no interest to the world - just the USA. Has nothing to do with a Elecraft hardware or software. Has nothing to do with radio. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On 22 Mar 2018, at 22:47, wrote: >> >> This is what we used to send my stepson and nephew care packages when they >> were deployed to Iraq and Afghanistan. 5 deployments between them. Mom/Aunt, >> God rest her soul, was in charge of filling the boxes and I got the PO duty, >> filling out paperwork and getting more boxes. Two and a half years. >> >> I loved watching her do it. It brought a smile to my face. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net On >> Behalf Of Rose >> Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2018 4:03 PM >> To: Elecraft Reflector >> Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Postal terminology >> >> Like an earlier poster said ... it sounds like you got a "bureaucratic" >> reply from the postal employee ... or one who simply doesn't know the >> difference(s). >> >> USPS Priority Express is a service that uses a limited range of box sizes >> that you buy from a P.O.. These boxes -must- be used for Priority Express. >> Priority Mail is a completely different critter. >> >> I buy specifically-sized boxes and padded envelopes from U-line that >> are almost exact fits for my cases and covers. Have a look at this >> site: http://tinyurl.com/7lm3m5 . I think the photos there will illustrate >> my point. >> >> Hint: Google is your friend for additional information. >> >> A letter posted to a local in town address goes Billings and back ... >> about 700 miles ... and always bears a Billings postmark. Go figure! (:-) >> >> FWIW ... >> >> 73! >> >> Rose - N7HKW >> ElecraftCovers at gmail.com >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message >> delivered to kstover at ac0h.net >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to andy at rickham.net > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to a45wg at sy-edm.com From srmuenich at gmail.com Fri Mar 23 09:36:40 2018 From: srmuenich at gmail.com (Steve Muenich) Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2018 08:36:40 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] FS: XV144 Transverter (Reduced) Message-ID: <2547C786-2404-420C-93FD-8FDE7D35B8AE@gmail.com> For Sale: Asking Price reduced XV-144 external 2 meter transverter. Complete with all interconnection RF, DC and data cables. Copy of manual Transverter works and looks great. $325 Shipped CONUS. Steve, NA5C Sent from my mobile device From c-hawley at illinois.edu Fri Mar 23 09:53:55 2018 From: c-hawley at illinois.edu (ke9uw) Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2018 06:53:55 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] K3 internal connectors In-Reply-To: <5ab3c423.bb97500a.17a9a.996d@mx.google.com> References: <5ab3c423.bb97500a.17a9a.996d@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <1521813235075-0.post@n2.nabble.com> My K3 was purchased in 2010 which seems to avoid most of the early required mods. The optional mods that came after 2010 are: the 12vdc current update at the rear panel, the additional speaker audio output protection, the additional bandwidth capacitor from 100KHz to 500KHz (which requires the new synthesizers as well), the fan noise additional filter capacitor, the new synthesizers which requires a mod to the KREF3 (a single resistor) to increase it's output, the new USB Sound and Comm port capability, Also a resistor to increase the output of the 6P6C connector on the front bottom of the K3 to power the K POD. None of this is mandatory. The cost of these updates would cost about $1100 in parts kits. ----- Chuck, KE9UW -- Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ From dobox at suddenlink.net Fri Mar 23 10:09:10 2018 From: dobox at suddenlink.net (David Box) Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2018 09:09:10 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 TX Sample Message-ID: I am trying to get ready for delivery of the KPA1500 and have become confused about the information available for the TX Sample port. The only information I can find states that this is a low-level signal of -60dBm but dBm is a measure of absolute power which would put this signal at 1 nanowatt. My first thought is that this is a typo and meant to show that the signal level on the port is -60dB with respect to output but need some verification. Is there any information that shows actual transfer function between the output power and the TX sample port voltage into a 50 ohm load? Thanks Dave K5MWR From c-hawley at illinois.edu Fri Mar 23 10:18:07 2018 From: c-hawley at illinois.edu (hawley, charles j jr) Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2018 14:18:07 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 internal connectors In-Reply-To: References: <5ab3c423.bb97500a.17a9a.996d@mx.google.com> <1521813235075-0.post@n2.nabble.com>, Message-ID: <276D3D6C9D5C8C4484211E9839FDE1AB49E59B1B@CITESMBX5.ad.uillinois.edu> No. The synthesizers (2 of them) and the USB Sound and Comm port update total around $960 to add. I might have rounded up too casually for shipping and the other mod kits which are around 10 dollars each, some free. So maybe $1000. Chuck Hawley c-hawley at illinois.edu Amateur Radio, KE9UW aka Jack, BMW Motorcycles ________________________________________ From: Don Wilhelm [donwilh at embarqmail.com] Sent: Friday, March 23, 2018 9:08 AM To: hawley, charles j jr; elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 internal connectors Wow! $1100 for the parts kits. I trust you mean about $11.00 instead. 73, Don W3FPR On 3/23/2018 9:53 AM, ke9uw wrote: > None of this is mandatory. The cost of these updates would cost about $1100 > in parts kits. > From donwilh at embarqmail.com Fri Mar 23 10:08:49 2018 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2018 10:08:49 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 internal connectors In-Reply-To: <1521813235075-0.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <5ab3c423.bb97500a.17a9a.996d@mx.google.com> <1521813235075-0.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: Wow! $1100 for the parts kits. I trust you mean about $11.00 instead. 73, Don W3FPR On 3/23/2018 9:53 AM, ke9uw wrote: > None of this is mandatory. The cost of these updates would cost about $1100 > in parts kits. > From donwilh at embarqmail.com Fri Mar 23 10:49:19 2018 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2018 10:49:19 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 internal connectors In-Reply-To: <276D3D6C9D5C8C4484211E9839FDE1AB49E59B1B@CITESMBX5.ad.uillinois.edu> References: <5ab3c423.bb97500a.17a9a.996d@mx.google.com> <1521813235075-0.post@n2.nabble.com> <276D3D6C9D5C8C4484211E9839FDE1AB49E59B1B@CITESMBX5.ad.uillinois.edu> Message-ID: <377c2af5-1243-219d-9bcc-c89e96b93b2c@embarqmail.com> Chuck, Sorry, I misunderstood - I did not consider that you were adding the new synth cards and the other upgrades. Other than the upgrades to bring the K3 as close to the K3S as possible, the parts for the other basic K3 mod kits is quite small. 73, Don W3FPR On 3/23/2018 10:18 AM, hawley, charles j jr wrote: > No. The synthesizers (2 of them) and the USB Sound and Comm port update total around $960 to add. I might have rounded up too casually for shipping and the other mod kits which are around 10 dollars each, some free. So maybe $1000. > Chuck Hawley > c-hawley at illinois.edu > > Amateur Radio, KE9UW > aka Jack, BMW Motorcycles > ________________________________________ > From: Don Wilhelm [donwilh at embarqmail.com] > Sent: Friday, March 23, 2018 9:08 AM > To: hawley, charles j jr; elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 internal connectors > > Wow! $1100 for the parts kits. I trust you mean about $11.00 instead. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 3/23/2018 9:53 AM, ke9uw wrote: > >> None of this is mandatory. The cost of these updates would cost about $1100 >> in parts kits. >> From huntinhmb at coastside.net Fri Mar 23 10:55:19 2018 From: huntinhmb at coastside.net (Brian Hunt) Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2018 07:55:19 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 internal connectors In-Reply-To: <1521813235075-0.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <5ab3c423.bb97500a.17a9a.996d@mx.google.com> <1521813235075-0.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <9FCC2305-7D13-471E-8730-EB80CEFC72CD@coastside.net> My K3 is also from 2010, April as I recall. I recently did the component mods you mentioned except for the KREF3 and KPOD resistors. Also I added the general coverage BPF board with 472 kHz in mind. I added the new synthesizer as soon as it came out. It all went very well and only took a few hours, stretching it out to prolong the fun of getting my fingers into my factory built K3. :-) Add to your list the suggested thermal pads under the LPA transistors. These are recommended if you do a lot of 100% duty cycle transmitting. Good luck & 73, Brian, K0DTJ > On Mar 23, 2018, at 06:53, ke9uw wrote: > > My K3 was purchased in 2010 which seems to avoid most of the early required > mods. > > From donwilh at embarqmail.com Fri Mar 23 11:23:22 2018 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2018 11:23:22 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 TX Sample In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <67b9012e-31f0-6f94-3625-797276db8963@embarqmail.com> David, It is just a coupler - nothing else makes sense for that use, so your -60dB assumption is correct. Yes, it is relative to the output, so dBm is not the proper designation. 73, Don W3FPR On 3/23/2018 10:09 AM, David Box wrote: > I am trying to get ready for delivery of the KPA1500 and have become > confused about the information available for the TX Sample port. > > The only information I can find states that this is a low-level signal > of -60dBm but dBm is a measure of absolute power which would put this > signal at 1 nanowatt. > > My first thought is that this is a typo and meant to show that the > signal level on the port is -60dB with respect to output but need some > verification. From dobox at suddenlink.net Fri Mar 23 14:14:34 2018 From: dobox at suddenlink.net (David Box) Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2018 13:14:34 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 TX Sample In-Reply-To: <67b9012e-31f0-6f94-3625-797276db8963@embarqmail.com> References: <67b9012e-31f0-6f94-3625-797276db8963@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <5f5f6868-2b7c-21c3-29c4-026f91fec93b@suddenlink.net> Don Was fairly certain that units were used incorrect but ya' never know so appreciate confirmation. Wanting to get linearity test ready so now I know what is needed to set up.? I always want to monitor a new amp and the inclusion of this output allows that. Now I do have one other "assumption" and that is the coupler is before the internal ATU so it is always working with a 50 ohm load, hopefully that is correct. 73 Dave K5MWR On 3/23/2018 10:23 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > David, > > It is just a coupler - nothing else makes sense for that use, so your > -60dB assumption is correct.? Yes, it is relative to the output, so > dBm is not the proper designation. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 3/23/2018 10:09 AM, David Box wrote: >> I am trying to get ready for delivery of the KPA1500 and have become >> confused about the information available for the TX Sample port. >> >> The only information I can find states that this is a low-level >> signal of -60dBm but dBm is a measure of absolute power which would >> put this signal at 1 nanowatt. >> >> My first thought is that this is a typo and meant to show that the >> signal level on the port is -60dB with respect to output but need >> some verification. > > From donwilh at embarqmail.com Fri Mar 23 14:33:51 2018 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2018 14:33:51 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 TX Sample In-Reply-To: <5f5f6868-2b7c-21c3-29c4-026f91fec93b@suddenlink.net> References: <67b9012e-31f0-6f94-3625-797276db8963@embarqmail.com> <5f5f6868-2b7c-21c3-29c4-026f91fec93b@suddenlink.net> Message-ID: Dave, Since that "coupler" has only one output, it is not a full forward and reverse coupler, so it could be nothing more than a toroid output with the wire carrying the full output going through the center of the core - in other words, it can just be an "RF Sampler", and in that case it would not have to be placed in a place where the load is 50 ohms. I think there will be more information to come about its function.? For the time being, it is safe to assume it is not a calibrated output, but simply a tap to observe the output waveform, rather than an amplitude measuring device. 73, Don W3FPR On 3/23/2018 2:14 PM, David Box wrote: > Don > > Was fairly certain that units were used incorrect but ya' never know > so appreciate confirmation. > > Wanting to get linearity test ready so now I know what is needed to > set up.? I always want to monitor a new amp and the inclusion of this > output allows that. > > Now I do have one other "assumption" and that is the coupler is before > the internal ATU so it is always working with a 50 ohm load, hopefully > that is correct. > > 73 > > Dave K5MWR > > > On 3/23/2018 10:23 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote: >> David, >> >> It is just a coupler - nothing else makes sense for that use, so your >> -60dB assumption is correct.? Yes, it is relative to the output, so >> dBm is not the proper designation. >> >> 73, >> Don W3FPR >> >> On 3/23/2018 10:09 AM, David Box wrote: >>> I am trying to get ready for delivery of the KPA1500 and have become >>> confused about the information available for the TX Sample port. >>> >>> The only information I can find states that this is a low-level >>> signal of -60dBm but dBm is a measure of absolute power which would >>> put this signal at 1 nanowatt. >>> >>> My first thought is that this is a typo and meant to show that the >>> signal level on the port is -60dB with respect to output but need >>> some verification. >> >> > > From maxrcul at gmail.com Fri Mar 23 14:55:17 2018 From: maxrcul at gmail.com (Bill DeVore) Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2018 14:55:17 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 vs LP-Pan / NaP3 Message-ID: Is a P3 vs LP-Pan / NaP3 a fair comparison? Am I trying to compare apples to oranges? Bill - W3PNM From farrerfolks at yahoo.com Fri Mar 23 14:55:09 2018 From: farrerfolks at yahoo.com (Mel Farrer) Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2018 18:55:09 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 TX Sample In-Reply-To: References: <67b9012e-31f0-6f94-3625-797276db8963@embarqmail.com> <5f5f6868-2b7c-21c3-29c4-026f91fec93b@suddenlink.net> Message-ID: <162138791.4354232.1521831309976@mail.yahoo.com> While all of the info is correct, I also like to mention that an inline station monitor is also a great device.? I use a old Kenwood SM-220 as a permenant part of the station.? That lets me see the RF amplitude and the linearity of the signal.? The trapozoid is used mostly to keep tabs on any hint of distortion.? Lots of info on its use.?? Mel, K6KBE From: Don Wilhelm To: David Box ; Elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sent: Friday, March 23, 2018 11:37 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA1500 TX Sample Dave, Since that "coupler" has only one output, it is not a full forward and reverse coupler, so it could be nothing more than a toroid output with the wire carrying the full output going through the center of the core - in other words, it can just be an "RF Sampler", and in that case it would not have to be placed in a place where the load is 50 ohms. I think there will be more information to come about its function.? For the time being, it is safe to assume it is not a calibrated output, but simply a tap to observe the output waveform, rather than an amplitude measuring device. 73, Don W3FPR On 3/23/2018 2:14 PM, David Box wrote: > Don > > Was fairly certain that units were used incorrect but ya' never know > so appreciate confirmation. > > Wanting to get linearity test ready so now I know what is needed to > set up.? I always want to monitor a new amp and the inclusion of this > output allows that. > > Now I do have one other "assumption" and that is the coupler is before > the internal ATU so it is always working with a 50 ohm load, hopefully > that is correct. > > 73 > > Dave K5MWR > > > On 3/23/2018 10:23 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote: >> David, >> >> It is just a coupler - nothing else makes sense for that use, so your >> -60dB assumption is correct.? Yes, it is relative to the output, so >> dBm is not the proper designation. >> >> 73, >> Don W3FPR >> >> On 3/23/2018 10:09 AM, David Box wrote: >>> I am trying to get ready for delivery of the KPA1500 and have become >>> confused about the information available for the TX Sample port. >>> >>> The only information I can find states that this is a low-level >>> signal of -60dBm but dBm is a measure of absolute power which would >>> put this signal at 1 nanowatt. >>> >>> My first thought is that this is a typo and meant to show that the >>> signal level on the port is -60dB with respect to output but need >>> some verification. >> >> > > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to farrerfolks at yahoo.com From eric at elecraft.com Fri Mar 23 15:11:17 2018 From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft) Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2018 12:11:17 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Postal terminology In-Reply-To: <31F56407-EB9F-4EF4-890E-F85DBF72A113@rickham.net> References: <000001d3c22f$d11bfc40$7353f4c0$@ac0h.net> <31F56407-EB9F-4EF4-890E-F85DBF72A113@rickham.net> Message-ID: <426be76b-7578-02ba-a79b-a6c35a7a33a2@elecraft.com> Folks - please read my earlier post.?? -Do Not-? tell others that their topic is inappropriate or that it should be dropped from the Elecraft list. That is both rude and frequently incorrect. Email the moderator and we will make that determination when needed. List members attempting to moderate posts or criticizing the appropriateness of a posting or thread is prohibited by list guidelines in the interest of keeping conversation here polite and list 'noise' at a minimum. In general we -do- allow limited OT posts if the number of posts on the OT topic are few.? Please self moderate after a few OT posts on any non Elecraft topic. This postal service thread should likely be closed for this reason now, since it is now more than a few OT postings. (note: The prior Linux Elecraft Utility postings were Elecraft related since they dealt with use of our utility s/w under Linux.) 73, Eric? WA6HHQ Moderator etc. /elecraft.com/ On 3/23/2018 12:08 AM, Andy McMullin wrote: > Now unlike the use of Elecraft supplied software on Linux - the problems and reminiscences about the US postal service is a subject that should be dropped! > From eric at elecraft.com Fri Mar 23 15:12:22 2018 From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft) Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2018 12:12:22 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 TX Sample In-Reply-To: <162138791.4354232.1521831309976@mail.yahoo.com> References: <67b9012e-31f0-6f94-3625-797276db8963@embarqmail.com> <5f5f6868-2b7c-21c3-29c4-026f91fec93b@suddenlink.net> <162138791.4354232.1521831309976@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8d359ce1-36c3-9f63-2715-f09a315cbeca@elecraft.com> The P3 TX monitor and SWR/Wattmeter option also does a great job at this. :-) 73, Eric /elecraft.com/ On 3/23/2018 11:55 AM, Mel Farrer via Elecraft wrote: > While all of the info is correct, I also like to mention that an inline station monitor is also a great device.? I use a old Kenwood SM-220 as a permenant part of the station.? That lets me see the RF amplitude and the linearity of the signal.? The trapozoid is used mostly to keep tabs on any hint of distortion.? Lots of info on its use. > Mel, K6KBE > > From softblue at windstream.net Fri Mar 23 15:23:21 2018 From: softblue at windstream.net (Dick Dickinson) Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2018 15:23:21 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 vs LP-Pan / NaP3 Message-ID: <000e01d3c2dc$67d25e70$37771b50$@windstream.net> Perhaps an individual's goals and criteria could make it a little less 'apples to oranges.' Dick - KA5KKT ________________________________________ Bill DeVore maxrcul at gmail.com Fri Mar 23 14:55:17 EDT 2018 ________________________________________ Is a P3 vs LP-Pan / NaP3 a fair comparison? Am I trying to compare apples to oranges? Bill - W3PNM From k6dgw at foothill.net Fri Mar 23 15:40:16 2018 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2018 12:40:16 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 vs LP-Pan / NaP3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I tried LP-Pan and NaP3 before buying my P3. Panadapter displays are sort of like the urban legend that all snowflakes are different ... after a year in the northern interior of AK, I can assure you ... "seen one, you've seen 'em all." However, like all Elecraft gear, the? integration between the P3 and K3 is very tight, and coupled with the macro and software control capabilities makes the P3 far superior. I bought mine more or less as a toy to replace the external HW, cables, and additional SW on the PC.? I find now that it is what I look at while operating.? I occasionally operate W7RN remotely, and alas -- no P3.? Been contemplating ways to get the 8 MHz first IF and control down from the station.? [Wayne: Hint for a new product?] 73, Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW Sparks NV DM09dn Washoe County On 3/23/2018 11:55 AM, Bill DeVore wrote: > Is a P3 vs LP-Pan / NaP3 a fair comparison? Am I trying to compare apples > to oranges? > > Bill - W3PNM > From gthornton at thorntonmostullaw.com Fri Mar 23 16:00:08 2018 From: gthornton at thorntonmostullaw.com (George Thornton) Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2018 20:00:08 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 vs LP-Pan / NaP3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I too had the LP-Pan before the K3. Computers can be finicky and I found using the LP-Pan to be at times difficult to keep running. I also did not find it easy to adjust the scale ranges to make the graphics displays optimized for what I wanted to do. By contrast, the P3 was easy to set up and get running. The controls used for ranging the display were knobs with labels and were easy to adjust on the fly. The integration with the K3 was a further plus. -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Fred Jensen Sent: Friday, March 23, 2018 12:40 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 vs LP-Pan / NaP3 I tried LP-Pan and NaP3 before buying my P3. Panadapter displays are sort of like the urban legend that all snowflakes are different ... after a year in the northern interior of AK, I can assure you ... "seen one, you've seen 'em all." However, like all Elecraft gear, the integration between the P3 and K3 is very tight, and coupled with the macro and software control capabilities makes the P3 far superior. I bought mine more or less as a toy to replace the external HW, cables, and additional SW on the PC.? I find now that it is what I look at while operating.? I occasionally operate W7RN remotely, and alas -- no P3. Been contemplating ways to get the 8 MHz first IF and control down from the station.? [Wayne: Hint for a new product?] 73, Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW Sparks NV DM09dn Washoe County On 3/23/2018 11:55 AM, Bill DeVore wrote: > Is a P3 vs LP-Pan / NaP3 a fair comparison? Am I trying to compare > apples to oranges? > > Bill - W3PNM > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to gthornton at thorntonmostullaw.com From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Fri Mar 23 17:52:29 2018 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2018 14:52:29 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 TX Sample In-Reply-To: References: <67b9012e-31f0-6f94-3625-797276db8963@embarqmail.com> <5f5f6868-2b7c-21c3-29c4-026f91fec93b@suddenlink.net> Message-ID: <15188e84-8024-e0c7-8fee-e356e5f7a8da@audiosystemsgroup.com> On 3/23/2018 11:33 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > I think there will be more information to come about its function. For > the time being, it is safe to assume it is not a calibrated output, > but simply a tap to observe the output waveform, rather than an > amplitude measuring device. The most obvious use is as a sampling point to feed NR0V's excellent Pure Signal software. Warren received a Technical Excellence award for developing it. The software modifies the driving signal by "pre-distorting" it so that pre-distortion elements cancel distortion within the feedback loop. This is a fairly old technique -- it was, for example, implemented more than 50 years ago in a few professional and consumer power amplifiers, and also within "powered" loudspeakers (that is, those with built-in power amps) using motional feedback from the transducers. 73, Jim K9YC From mteberle at mchsi.com Fri Mar 23 18:04:01 2018 From: mteberle at mchsi.com (Michael Eberle) Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2018 17:04:01 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 internal connectors In-Reply-To: <1521813235075-0.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <5ab3c423.bb97500a.17a9a.996d@mx.google.com> <1521813235075-0.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: It would have to be more than $11.00 since the KIO3BUPKT alone is $400. Mike, KI0HA On 3/23/2018 09:08, Don Wilhelm wrote: > Wow! $1100 for the parts kits.? I trust you mean about $11.00 instead. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 3/23/2018 9:53 AM, ke9uw wrote: > >> None of this is mandatory. The cost of these updates would cost about >> $1100 >> in parts kits. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to mteberle at mchsi.com > From jimk0xu at gmail.com Fri Mar 23 18:30:43 2018 From: jimk0xu at gmail.com (Jim Rhodes) Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2018 22:30:43 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 vs LP-Pan / NaP3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: P3, as far as I know, does not let you open a receiver at anyplace in the bandpass. Actually 2, so with internal receivers and 2 software I can monitor 4 freq if I want using LP. Then there is the display issue. If you want bigger display on P3 you have to dedicate a monitor to it alone. With LP I just open a window on my 40" 4K monitor without adding a whole new display. Jim Rhodes K0XU On Fri, Mar 23, 2018, 15:00 George Thornton wrote: > I too had the LP-Pan before the K3. > > Computers can be finicky and I found using the LP-Pan to be at times > difficult to keep running. I also did not find it easy to adjust the scale > ranges to make the graphics displays optimized for what I wanted to do. > > By contrast, the P3 was easy to set up and get running. The controls used > for ranging the display were knobs with labels and were easy to adjust on > the fly. The integration with the K3 was a further plus. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto: > elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Fred Jensen > Sent: Friday, March 23, 2018 12:40 PM > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 vs LP-Pan / NaP3 > > I tried LP-Pan and NaP3 before buying my P3. Panadapter displays are sort > of like the urban legend that all snowflakes are different ... > after a year in the northern interior of AK, I can assure you ... "seen > one, you've seen 'em all." However, like all Elecraft gear, the integration > between the P3 and K3 is very tight, and coupled with the macro and > software control capabilities makes the P3 far superior. > > I bought mine more or less as a toy to replace the external HW, cables, > and additional SW on the PC. I find now that it is what I look at while > operating. I occasionally operate W7RN remotely, and alas -- no P3. Been > contemplating ways to get the 8 MHz first IF and control down from the > station. [Wayne: Hint for a new product?] > > 73, > > Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW > Sparks NV DM09dn > Washoe County > > On 3/23/2018 11:55 AM, Bill DeVore wrote: > > Is a P3 vs LP-Pan / NaP3 a fair comparison? Am I trying to compare > > apples to oranges? > > > > Bill - W3PNM > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to gthornton at thorntonmostullaw.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to jimk0xu at gmail.com From k9yeq at live.com Fri Mar 23 18:33:15 2018 From: k9yeq at live.com (Bill Johnson) Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2018 22:33:15 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 TX Sample In-Reply-To: <8d359ce1-36c3-9f63-2715-f09a315cbeca@elecraft.com> References: <67b9012e-31f0-6f94-3625-797276db8963@embarqmail.com> <5f5f6868-2b7c-21c3-29c4-026f91fec93b@suddenlink.net> <162138791.4354232.1521831309976@mail.yahoo.com> <8d359ce1-36c3-9f63-2715-f09a315cbeca@elecraft.com> Message-ID: I use these options and they are superb. 73, Bill K9YEQ -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft Sent: Friday, March 23, 2018 2:12 PM To: Mel Farrer ; donwilh at embarqmail.com; David Box ; Elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA1500 TX Sample The P3 TX monitor and SWR/Wattmeter option also does a great job at this. :-) 73, Eric /elecraft.com/ On 3/23/2018 11:55 AM, Mel Farrer via Elecraft wrote: > While all of the info is correct, I also like to mention that an inline station monitor is also a great device.? I use a old Kenwood SM-220 as a permenant part of the station.? That lets me see the RF amplitude and the linearity of the signal.? The trapozoid is used mostly to keep tabs on any hint of distortion.? Lots of info on its use. > Mel, K6KBE > > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to k9yeq at live.com From wes_n7ws at triconet.org Fri Mar 23 18:39:39 2018 From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes Stewart) Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2018 15:39:39 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 vs LP-Pan / NaP3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1d989a1b-acbd-b069-a504-03c126f82c1e@triconet.org> I've never used a P3, other than seeing a demo of a prototype unit.? I once used an LP-Pan, but no longer have one.? It was a bit too much stuff for me. I expect that the owners of P3s will tell you there is no comparison because the P3 stands alone without a computer.? That is true.? But who doesn't use a shack computer these days? Now I use an SDR-IQ with SpectraVue software and find it outstanding.? Being able to see the band has become almost a necessity for me; I'm pretty much lost without it.? It fully tracks the K3, offers point-n-click or mouse wheel QSY, and does have demodulation so it can be a second RX of sorts although I don't use it as such and latency can be a little offputting.? The SDR-IQ has been superseded but they still pop up on the used market.? As a standalone RX they're not too bad either. Wes? N7WS On 3/23/2018 12:40 PM, Fred Jensen wrote: > I tried LP-Pan and NaP3 before buying my P3. Panadapter displays are sort of > like the urban legend that all snowflakes are different ... after a year in > the northern interior of AK, I can assure you ... "seen one, you've seen 'em > all." However, like all Elecraft gear, the? integration between the P3 and K3 > is very tight, and coupled with the macro and software control capabilities > makes the P3 far superior. > > I bought mine more or less as a toy to replace the external HW, cables, and > additional SW on the PC.? I find now that it is what I look at while > operating.? I occasionally operate W7RN remotely, and alas -- no P3.? Been > contemplating ways to get the 8 MHz first IF and control down from the > station.? [Wayne: Hint for a new product?] > > 73, > > Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW > Sparks NV DM09dn > Washoe County > > On 3/23/2018 11:55 AM, Bill DeVore wrote: >> Is a P3 vs LP-Pan / NaP3 a fair comparison? Am I trying to compare apples >> to oranges? >> >> Bill - W3PNM >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wes_n7ws at triconet.org From ok1rk at seznam.cz Fri Mar 23 20:00:02 2018 From: ok1rk at seznam.cz (ok1rk at seznam.cz) Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2018 01:00:02 +0100 (CET) Subject: [Elecraft] WTB K3/K3S Accessories WTB Message-ID: <3Ue.16lBQ.6eUZQXpEJLw.1QjPK2@seznam.cz> WTB K3 / K3S accessories WTB I'm looking for the following accessories for?my K3's/K3S: 2 pcs 2800 Hz 8215 kHz SSB 8-pole crystal filter 1 pc 250 Hz 8215 kHz CW 8-pole crystal filter 1 pc P3SVGA Video Adapter 2 pcs MH4 Hand Mic 1 pc CBLP3Y P3 to RJ45 Connector 1 pc DB37-EL-K3R cable for Microham II plus any other upgrades for K3: KSYN3A, KXV3B, KRX3A, KIO3B, KTCXO3-1, K3EXREF, KBPF3A Please, check out if you don't have?any of those things for sale Maybe it just takes dust on your shelf :-) Thank you in advance for your offers to my email address Shipping to Erie CO 80516 Money through PayPal TNX 73 David OK1RK From alorona at sbcglobal.net Sat Mar 24 00:59:12 2018 From: alorona at sbcglobal.net (Al Lorona) Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2018 04:59:12 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] P3 vs LP-Pan / NaP3 In-Reply-To: <1d989a1b-acbd-b069-a504-03c126f82c1e@triconet.org> References: <1d989a1b-acbd-b069-a504-03c126f82c1e@triconet.org> Message-ID: <1565753716.192726.1521867552029@mail.yahoo.com> >>> But who doesn't use a shack >>> computer these days? Me. Al W6LX From tomb18 at videotron.ca Sat Mar 24 11:15:56 2018 From: tomb18 at videotron.ca (Tom) Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2018 11:15:56 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] New release of Win4K3Suite Message-ID: Hello, There is a new release of Win4K3Suite. This release corrects intermittent errors with the ClubLog aging. One of the useful features of Win4K3Suite is that it interfaces to all 3rd party logging and digital mode programs such as HRDLogbook, DX Keeper, NAP3, N3FJP, N1MM+, FLDigi, MIXW as well as hardware devices such as the K3/0, the Pig Knob and various antenna tuners and amps. In order to understand how to do this, there is a video on youtube that gives clear instructions on using the virtual port management facilities of Win4K3Suite: You can access it at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jh6IS0S1dE&t=4s In case you are not aware, Win4K3Suite is a comprehensive control program for the Elecraft K3, K3S, KX3 and KX2. It supports all hardware such as the KPA500, KPA1500 and KAT500 even on the KX2. Win4K3Suite has built in panadapter support for the P3, LPPAN and the SDRPlay RSP. There is no configuration necessary to support all modes and filter settings for QSY's. You can read user reviews here: https://www.eham.net/reviews/detail/11214 and see it in action here: https://youtu.be/htVlc9x0IoU There is a fully functional 30 day trial available at va2fsq.com 73 Tom --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From dennisashworth49 at gmail.com Sat Mar 24 13:26:47 2018 From: dennisashworth49 at gmail.com (Dennis Ashworth) Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2018 12:26:47 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 and PS Dimensions Message-ID: <14B8E090-5C1F-4790-8B38-04AED84B59FE@gmail.com> I can?t locate the physical dimensions for the KPA1500 and PS in the .pdf manual. Anyone have the dimensions handy? Thanks Dennis, K7FL Sent from my iPad From mspetrovic at gmail.com Sat Mar 24 13:28:11 2018 From: mspetrovic at gmail.com (Mark Petrovic) Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2018 10:28:11 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Resistor and capacitor installation techniques: trim before or after soldering? Message-ID: While reading through my new K2 kit's control board assembly instructions, I see that some builders prefer to trim the resistor and capacitor leads before soldering. I'm intrigued by this, and wonder if someone who uses this technique can share their experiences. Do you the solder the component from the top of the board or bottom? How do you keep the component in place during soldering? I am assuming the value of this technique is in the resulting lower profile of the components on the backside of the board. Thank you. Mark AE6RT -- Mark From rthorne at rthorne.net Sat Mar 24 13:31:06 2018 From: rthorne at rthorne.net (Richard Thorne) Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2018 12:31:06 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 and PS Dimensions In-Reply-To: <14B8E090-5C1F-4790-8B38-04AED84B59FE@gmail.com> References: <14B8E090-5C1F-4790-8B38-04AED84B59FE@gmail.com> Message-ID: See page 28 The height including feet is an additional .6" for a total of 5.1". Rich - N5ZC On 3/24/2018 12:26 PM, Dennis Ashworth wrote: > I can?t locate the physical dimensions for the KPA1500 and PS in the .pdf manual. Anyone have the dimensions handy? > > Thanks > Dennis, K7FL > > > Sent from my iPad > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to rthorne at rthorne.net From m.matthew.george at gmail.com Sat Mar 24 13:43:41 2018 From: m.matthew.george at gmail.com (M. George) Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2018 11:43:41 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] NG7M / 2 Videos on FSK RTTY timings generated with EXTFSK/64 on new and older PC's via USB FTDI Com Ports Message-ID: This is a bit of a cross post related to Elecraft K3/K3S internal FSK timings generated with a USB FDTI chipset com port. I wanted to get some hard measured numbers in a video so I took the time to make the following two videos. Sorry if you are subscribed to multiple lists and get a duplicate or two on the video links. I do think it's interesting... if you can make it through my verbose videos! They don't lack for details on making sure I'm transparent with the setup. If anything, it will give something to reference as the discussion/debate continues. Video #1 Showing Higher End PC's Generating FSK Diddle Timings: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FN0SlOHcMQw Video #2 (new as of this morning) Showing a 13 year old single core, 1.1ghz Pentium Laptop Generating FSK Diddle Times (32 bit Win 7 with MMTTY): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L48mebqLigs Max NG7M -- M. George From jtmiller47 at gmail.com Sat Mar 24 13:51:26 2018 From: jtmiller47 at gmail.com (Jim Miller) Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2018 13:51:26 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 #39 in operation! Message-ID: <182D12AE-A780-4C57-9FD4-A72854A8AA2D@gmail.com> Checks out full power all bands! Bring on the DX!! 73 Jim ab3cv From kstover at ac0h.net Sat Mar 24 13:59:26 2018 From: kstover at ac0h.net (kstover at ac0h.net) Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2018 12:59:26 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Resistor and capacitor installation techniques: trim before or after soldering? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000001d3c399$daa40030$8fec0090$@ac0h.net> If I remember correctly they got soldered from the top side. -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of Mark Petrovic Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2018 12:28 PM To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] Resistor and capacitor installation techniques: trim before or after soldering? While reading through my new K2 kit's control board assembly instructions, I see that some builders prefer to trim the resistor and capacitor leads before soldering. I'm intrigued by this, and wonder if someone who uses this technique can share their experiences. Do you the solder the component from the top of the board or bottom? How do you keep the component in place during soldering? I am assuming the value of this technique is in the resulting lower profile of the components on the backside of the board. Thank you. Mark AE6RT -- Mark ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to kstover at ac0h.net From ghyoungman at gmail.com Sat Mar 24 14:01:55 2018 From: ghyoungman at gmail.com (GRANT YOUNGMAN) Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2018 14:01:55 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 #39 in operation! In-Reply-To: <182D12AE-A780-4C57-9FD4-A72854A8AA2D@gmail.com> References: <182D12AE-A780-4C57-9FD4-A72854A8AA2D@gmail.com> Message-ID: <9601B036-4552-4A39-BF2E-DF28E20B070E@gmail.com> It occurred to me, even better than a big amp, would be an Elecraft KSS-1? a sunspot. Would be a big seller! The more the merrier :-) > On Mar 24, 2018, at 1:51 PM, Jim Miller wrote: > > Checks out full power all bands! > > Bring on the DX!! > Grant NQ5T K3 #2091, KX3 #8342 From lists at subich.com Sat Mar 24 14:46:04 2018 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2018 14:46:04 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] NG7M / 2 Videos on FSK RTTY timings generated with EXTFSK/64 on new and older PC's via USB FTDI Com Ports In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <276f61bd-5552-c949-4d45-b8cb9d8610ac@subich.com> Unfortunately the demonstrations are not accurate representations of real world conditions. The EXTFSK64 tests were done on a six core, 3 GHz CPU with less than 40% CPU load. The "low end" laptop with ETFSK was not faced with anywhere near the CPU load exhibited in most RTTY contest situations. Neither demo stressed the USB bandwidth (polling two rigs, and running a sound card based panadapter) or stressed the memory capability (processing a cluster feed at > 100 spots per minute, polling two rigs with multiple commands every 10 to 50 msec, logging and duping QSOs from other stations on a multi- station LAN). A significant number of amateurs run "hand me down" processors that barely meet the N1MM+ minimum standard (1.6 GHz processor, 512MB/1GB RAM) which are then "loaded to the gills" with CPU and memory intensive processes. Measurements at microHAM in 2010 showed +/- 2ms jitter with EXTFSK and an FTDI USB to Serial UART. 4 ms p-p jitter already represents nearly 20% of a bit period - equivalent to changing the path length by more than 700 miles within each bit - and will result in a noticeable loss in decoder signal to noise ratio even with "strong" signals. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 3/24/2018 1:43 PM, M. George wrote: > This is a bit of a cross post related to Elecraft K3/K3S internal FSK > timings generated with a USB FDTI chipset com port. I wanted to get some > hard measured numbers in a video so I took the time to make the following > two videos. Sorry if you are subscribed to multiple lists and get a > duplicate or two on the video links. I do think it's interesting... if you > can make it through my verbose videos! They don't lack for details on > making sure I'm transparent with the setup. If anything, it will give > something to reference as the discussion/debate continues. > > Video #1 Showing Higher End > PC's Generating FSK Diddle Timings: > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FN0SlOHcMQw > > Video #2 (new as of this > morning) Showing a 13 year old single core, 1.1ghz Pentium Laptop > Generating FSK Diddle Times (32 bit Win 7 with MMTTY): > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L48mebqLigs > > Max NG7M > From k9jri at mac.com Sat Mar 24 15:02:04 2018 From: k9jri at mac.com (Michael Blake) Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2018 15:02:04 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] NG7M / 2 Videos on FSK RTTY timings generated with EXTFSK/64 on new and older PC's via USB FTDI Com Ports In-Reply-To: <276f61bd-5552-c949-4d45-b8cb9d8610ac@subich.com> References: <276f61bd-5552-c949-4d45-b8cb9d8610ac@subich.com> Message-ID: <080B0484-2AFA-4A82-923F-848728B63450@mac.com> What is the timing accuracy using the K3s built in RTTY via the K3 Utility or other applications that use the KY commands? Michael Blake k9jri at mac.com > On Mar 24, 2018, at 2:46 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: > > > Unfortunately the demonstrations are not accurate representations of > real world conditions. The EXTFSK64 tests were done on a six core, > 3 GHz CPU with less than 40% CPU load. The "low end" laptop with > ETFSK was not faced with anywhere near the CPU load exhibited in most > RTTY contest situations. Neither demo stressed the USB bandwidth > (polling two rigs, and running a sound card based panadapter) or > stressed the memory capability (processing a cluster feed at > 100 > spots per minute, polling two rigs with multiple commands every 10 > to 50 msec, logging and duping QSOs from other stations on a multi- > station LAN). > > A significant number of amateurs run "hand me down" processors that > barely meet the N1MM+ minimum standard (1.6 GHz processor, 512MB/1GB > RAM) which are then "loaded to the gills" with CPU and memory intensive > processes. > > Measurements at microHAM in 2010 showed +/- 2ms jitter with EXTFSK and > an FTDI USB to Serial UART. 4 ms p-p jitter already represents nearly > 20% of a bit period - equivalent to changing the path length by more > than 700 miles within each bit - and will result in a noticeable loss > in decoder signal to noise ratio even with "strong" signals. > > 73, > > ... Joe, W4TV > > >> On 3/24/2018 1:43 PM, M. George wrote: >> This is a bit of a cross post related to Elecraft K3/K3S internal FSK >> timings generated with a USB FDTI chipset com port. I wanted to get some >> hard measured numbers in a video so I took the time to make the following >> two videos. Sorry if you are subscribed to multiple lists and get a >> duplicate or two on the video links. I do think it's interesting... if you >> can make it through my verbose videos! They don't lack for details on >> making sure I'm transparent with the setup. If anything, it will give >> something to reference as the discussion/debate continues. >> Video #1 Showing Higher End >> PC's Generating FSK Diddle Timings: >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FN0SlOHcMQw >> Video #2 (new as of this >> morning) Showing a 13 year old single core, 1.1ghz Pentium Laptop >> Generating FSK Diddle Times (32 bit Win 7 with MMTTY): >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L48mebqLigs >> Max NG7M > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k9jri at mac.com From k9yeq at live.com Sat Mar 24 15:39:47 2018 From: k9yeq at live.com (Bill Johnson) Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2018 19:39:47 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Resistor and capacitor installation techniques: trim before or after soldering? In-Reply-To: <000001d3c399$daa40030$8fec0090$@ac0h.net> References: <000001d3c399$daa40030$8fec0090$@ac0h.net> Message-ID: Follow the instructions and solder as directed. There are components on both sides as I recall with the majority on the top. The leads need be spread to hold the components in place on the board. Once done soldering use a flush cut wirecutter to remove the excess. Not a good idea to trim them before soldering. 72 & 73, Bill K9YEQ FT'er for K2, KX1, KX3, KXPA100, KAT500, W2, etc. -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of kstover at ac0h.net Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2018 12:59 PM To: 'Mark Petrovic' ; Elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Resistor and capacitor installation techniques: trim before or after soldering? If I remember correctly they got soldered from the top side. -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of Mark Petrovic Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2018 12:28 PM To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] Resistor and capacitor installation techniques: trim before or after soldering? While reading through my new K2 kit's control board assembly instructions, I see that some builders prefer to trim the resistor and capacitor leads before soldering. I'm intrigued by this, and wonder if someone who uses this technique can share their experiences. Do you the solder the component from the top of the board or bottom? How do you keep the component in place during soldering? I am assuming the value of this technique is in the resulting lower profile of the components on the backside of the board. Thank you. Mark AE6RT -- Mark ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to kstover at ac0h.net ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to k9yeq at live.com From ar at dseven.org Sat Mar 24 15:49:44 2018 From: ar at dseven.org (iain macdonnell - N6ML) Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2018 12:49:44 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 #39 in operation! In-Reply-To: <9601B036-4552-4A39-BF2E-DF28E20B070E@gmail.com> References: <182D12AE-A780-4C57-9FD4-A72854A8AA2D@gmail.com> <9601B036-4552-4A39-BF2E-DF28E20B070E@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sat, Mar 24, 2018 at 11:01 AM, GRANT YOUNGMAN wrote: > It occurred to me, even better than a big amp, would be an Elecraft KSS-1? a sunspot. Would be a big seller! The more the merrier :-) Yeah, but knowing Elecraft, it could take up to 11 years to ship! Sorry, couldn't resist ;) 73, ~iain / N6ML From kevinr at coho.net Sat Mar 24 16:32:05 2018 From: kevinr at coho.net (kevinr) Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2018 13:32:05 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 #39 in operation! In-Reply-To: References: <182D12AE-A780-4C57-9FD4-A72854A8AA2D@gmail.com> <9601B036-4552-4A39-BF2E-DF28E20B070E@gmail.com> Message-ID: <02eb6b5a-705c-71ac-3174-5bdc592cc6c5@coho.net> It often takes a few years for the industry to catch up to Elecraft's vision. ?? 73, ?????? KD5ONS On 03/24/2018 12:49 PM, iain macdonnell - N6ML wrote: > On Sat, Mar 24, 2018 at 11:01 AM, GRANT YOUNGMAN wrote: >> It occurred to me, even better than a big amp, would be an Elecraft KSS-1? a sunspot. Would be a big seller! The more the merrier :-) > Yeah, but knowing Elecraft, it could take up to 11 years to ship! > > Sorry, couldn't resist ;) > > 73, > > ~iain / N6ML From softblue at windstream.net Sat Mar 24 17:06:26 2018 From: softblue at windstream.net (Dick Dickinson) Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2018 17:06:26 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 vs LP-Pan / NaP3 Message-ID: <003201d3c3b3$f8dd95b0$ea98c110$@windstream.net> I use a K3 along with a LP-Pan and a K3 and a Windows computer. I consider myself to be a very casual operator. I can't remember when I was last engaged in other than friendly SSB QSO operation. NaP3 is usually in operation when my K3 is on. I use no other accessory software for specialty operation nor even LP-Bridge. I'll give a tip of the hat to my onboard (motherboard) computer audio system and input. I like NaP3 on my computer screen for a number of reasons. My usual multitasking focus is on my computer screen.I'm often engaged in other matters as I monitor the radio. I monitor general activity on what band I may be currently operating.sometimes seeking QSOs via 'point and click' rather than twirling the knob to traverse up and down the band. I observe the audio forms of stations that may have my attention for some reason and at times other, perhaps unidentified signals or noises in the spectrum. NaP3 gives me satisfactory control of my K3. The NaP3 window can be minimized or covered by another depending on activity, or easily found if need be. I operate it in an approximately 11" diagonal window which takes up about 21% of the area of my 24" monitor. This leaves plenty of room for other activities. I rarely use full screen mode for any of my computer activities including OTA TV viewing and streaming video material. I much prefer NaP3 over one or two other 'modular(?)' type programs I have tried that may have complicated setups and / or variations. NaP3 gives me what I need, at any size above about 10", where I need it and a single window (Setup excepted). The LP-Pan enclosure fits in well with a couple of other accessory boxes which are on a shelf a short ways above my K3. It is turned on and off with the rig. Rarely do I ever interact with the LP-Pan unit. The NaP3 window has selections to allow for some features to not be displayed. *I can think of nothing other than operator preference that would require a 2nd display for NaP3. The ability to view 192kHz of bandwidth is satisfactory for me, though I'm sure I could find use at times for more. Often I run at about 50kHz of bandwidth in view. If one has a style of operation similar to mine, the LP-Pan and NaP3 software may be a good fit. Whether P3 or LP-Pan + software.either introduces new dimensions to amateur radio operation. Best, Dick - KA5KKT *I recently acquired a 7" monitor for rearview camera which is awaiting better weather for complete installation in my automobile. I've made a CD slot insertable mount (kudos to WB4RVN) and the display is easily detached and removed via a screw knob. The resolution is such that the NaP3 window should fit nicely on it.approaching 1:1. I'll entertain suggestions of how I might get plain ol' video (RCA) out of my computer or what might be an appropriate adaptor.haven't gotten to looking as of yet. I have VGA, HDMI and DVI(?) outputs, though the HDMI runs my customary display. From kq5stom at gmail.com Sat Mar 24 17:23:19 2018 From: kq5stom at gmail.com (Tom-KQ5S) Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2018 16:23:19 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 vs LP-Pan / NaP3 In-Reply-To: <003201d3c3b3$f8dd95b0$ea98c110$@windstream.net> References: <003201d3c3b3$f8dd95b0$ea98c110$@windstream.net> Message-ID: Comparison from LP-Pan site. I'm just the messenger. :-) http://www.telepostinc.com/P3_comp.html ----------------- 73, Tom - KQ5S On Sat, Mar 24, 2018 at 4:06 PM, Dick Dickinson wrote: > I use a K3 along with a LP-Pan and a K3 and a Windows computer. I consider > myself to be a very casual operator. I can't remember when I was last > engaged in other than friendly SSB QSO operation. NaP3 is usually in > operation when my K3 is on. I use no other accessory software for > specialty > operation nor even LP-Bridge. I'll give a tip of the hat to my onboard > (motherboard) computer audio system and input. > > I like NaP3 on my computer screen for a number of reasons. > My usual multitasking focus is on my computer screen.I'm > often engaged in other matters as I monitor the radio. > I monitor general activity on what band I may be currently > operating.sometimes seeking QSOs via 'point and click' rather than twirling > the knob to traverse up and down the band. > I observe the audio forms of stations that may have my > attention for some reason and at times other, perhaps unidentified signals > or noises in the spectrum. > NaP3 gives me satisfactory control of my K3. > The NaP3 window can be minimized or covered by another > depending on activity, or easily found if need be. > I operate it in an approximately 11" diagonal window which > takes up about 21% of the area of my 24" monitor. This leaves plenty of > room for other activities. I rarely use full screen mode for any of my > computer activities including OTA TV viewing and streaming video material. > I much prefer NaP3 over one or two other 'modular(?)' type > programs I have tried that may have complicated setups and / or variations. > NaP3 gives me what I need, at any size above about 10", where I need it and > a single window (Setup excepted). > The LP-Pan enclosure fits in well with a couple of other > accessory boxes which are on a shelf a short ways above my K3. It is > turned > on and off with the rig. Rarely do I ever interact with the LP-Pan unit. > The NaP3 window has selections to allow for some features > to > not be displayed. > *I can think of nothing other than operator preference that > would require a 2nd display for NaP3. > The ability to view 192kHz of bandwidth is satisfactory for > me, though I'm sure I could find use at times for more. Often I run at > about 50kHz of bandwidth in view. > > If one has a style of operation similar to mine, the LP-Pan and NaP3 > software may be a good fit. Whether P3 or LP-Pan + software.either > introduces new dimensions to amateur radio operation. > > Best, > Dick - KA5KKT > > *I recently acquired a 7" monitor for rearview camera which is awaiting > better weather for complete installation in my automobile. I've made a CD > slot insertable mount (kudos to WB4RVN) and the display is easily detached > and removed via a screw knob. The resolution is such that the NaP3 window > should fit nicely on it.approaching 1:1. I'll entertain suggestions of how > I might get plain ol' video (RCA) out of my computer or what might be an > appropriate adaptor.haven't gotten to looking as of yet. I have VGA, HDMI > and DVI(?) outputs, though the HDMI runs my customary display. > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to kq5stom at gmail.com > From ve7xf at shaw.ca Sat Mar 24 17:50:33 2018 From: ve7xf at shaw.ca (Ralph Parker) Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2018 21:50:33 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 #39 Message-ID: <80870f86-ee6c-8201-bb14-287b1b8fc46c@shaw.ca> >Yeah, but knowing Elecraft, it could take up to 11 years to ship! Me-ow!!!?? Would you like a saucer of milk with that? VE7XF From donwilh at embarqmail.com Sat Mar 24 18:14:04 2018 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2018 18:14:04 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Resistor and capacitor installation techniques: trim before or after soldering? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <351fdca5-a178-c029-8708-5f6f92ed9085@embarqmail.com> Mark, It is usual for most components to mount on the top side of the board and solder from the bottom. Splay the leads slightly to keep the components from falling out when you turn the board over. For components mounted on the bottom side of the board, I normally put them in the same way, and I will choose whether to solder them from the side the component is mounted on, or if there is enough space on the top of the board to solder from the top side without endangering the already mounted components on that side, I will solder from the bottom. With resistors and inductors, it is easy to solder on the side they are mounted, but with many capacitors that is not possible because the solder pads and capacitor pins are obscured by the component body. To pre-trim the leads and solder on the same side as the component can be difficult at times. Mounting components without pre-trimming the leads can be troublesome in some areas where components are already mounted on the other side. You need flush trimmers with a "nose" that will reach the lead to be cut betwen already mounted components. If you determine that you will not be able to trim the leads easily, then pre-trim the leads and solder from the same side as the component. Generally, there is only a need to pre-trim in selected areas. The KSB2 option is one of the option boards where you might want to consider pre-trimming the leads of the resistors mounted on the bottom of the board. 73, Don W3FPR On 3/24/2018 1:28 PM, Mark Petrovic wrote: > While reading through my new K2 kit's control board assembly instructions, > I see that some builders prefer to trim the resistor and capacitor leads > before soldering. I'm intrigued by this, and wonder if someone who uses > this technique can share their experiences. Do you the solder the component > from the top of the board or bottom? How do you keep the component in > place during soldering? I am assuming the value of this technique is in > the resulting lower profile of the components on the backside of the board. > > Thank you. > > Mark > AE6RT > From n6kr at elecraft.com Sat Mar 24 18:41:34 2018 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2018 15:41:34 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Great day for short whips & /PM operation Message-ID: <16C40EE2-E139-45DE-9FE6-98DE8B813E80@elecraft.com> I was out walking around in a local park with the KX2 today, using a couple of different 48? loaded whips. (/PM = pedestrian mobile, closely related to ?HF Pack,? though I prefer an ultralight version of it, with a ?pack? weighing only 2 pounds.) There were quite a few stations on 20 and 15 meters, and I had no trouble working everyone I called using 5 or 10 watts. Oh, and the sun finally came out...it?s been wet up here. Just a reminder to those of you who want to try this: You really do have to use at least one radial (counterpoise wire) if you plan to transmit. While receive works pretty well even without the radial, your transmitted signal will be 15-20 dB down, and you may have problems with RFI. This differential effect between RX and TX performance without a radial becomes more pronounced as you go down in frequency. Short whips usually come with instructions that suggest adjusting the length of the radial wire and/or the length of the telescoping part in order to obtain a low SWR. While that is certainly possible, it?s far easier to let an ATU do the fine tuning. The ATU can compensate for variations in counterpoise length, bends in the wire, ground conditions, how high off the ground the antenna is, etc. If the SWR goes up for any of these reasons, just tap the ATU tune button. (This is one reason that all Elecraft radios have internal ATU options, BTW.) Please report back on your own success with /PM operation. 73, Wayne N6KR From jaunti at gmail.com Sat Mar 24 18:48:49 2018 From: jaunti at gmail.com (Jan Timmers) Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2018 15:48:49 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Great day for short whips & /PM operation In-Reply-To: <16C40EE2-E139-45DE-9FE6-98DE8B813E80@elecraft.com> References: <16C40EE2-E139-45DE-9FE6-98DE8B813E80@elecraft.com> Message-ID: OK Wayne, you've piqued my curiosity. Is this the first day of the Elecraft marketing campaign for their own branded version of a portable loaded whip? You discreetly use "a couple different" in your comment, but as I'm a keen-eyed observer to this sort of phrase-ology, I'm taking the bait. Spill it Wayne - there's not many people reading this list now, so it's not like you're telling company secrets to everybody. When's the new product launch? 73 de VE7JBT - John On 24 March 2018 at 15:41, Wayne Burdick wrote: > I was out walking around in a local park with the KX2 today, using a > couple of different 48? loaded whips. (/PM = pedestrian mobile, closely > related to ?HF Pack,? though I prefer an ultralight version of it, with a > ?pack? weighing only 2 pounds.) There were quite a few stations on 20 and > 15 meters, and I had no trouble working everyone I called using 5 or 10 > watts. Oh, and the sun finally came out...it?s been wet up here. > > Just a reminder to those of you who want to try this: You really do have > to use at least one radial (counterpoise wire) if you plan to transmit. > While receive works pretty well even without the radial, your transmitted > signal will be 15-20 dB down, and you may have problems with RFI. This > differential effect between RX and TX performance without a radial becomes > more pronounced as you go down in frequency. > > Short whips usually come with instructions that suggest adjusting the > length of the radial wire and/or the length of the telescoping part in > order to obtain a low SWR. While that is certainly possible, it?s far > easier to let an ATU do the fine tuning. The ATU can compensate for > variations in counterpoise length, bends in the wire, ground conditions, > how high off the ground the antenna is, etc. If the SWR goes up for any of > these reasons, just tap the ATU tune button. > > (This is one reason that all Elecraft radios have internal ATU options, > BTW.) > > Please report back on your own success with /PM operation. > > 73, > Wayne > N6KR > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to jaunti at gmail.com -- Regards; John Timmers From wa3mck at gmail.com Sat Mar 24 18:51:03 2018 From: wa3mck at gmail.com (Howie WA3MCK) Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2018 22:51:03 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Resistor and capacitor installation techniques: trim before or after soldering? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: When I went to ?mil spec soldering school? at Sanders Associates in Nashua NH back in the 80?s we were taught to install the component and mechanically secure it BEFORE soldering. This included clipping the leads of resistors, capacitors, and so forth. Why? When you clip a component lead it creates a very small ?shock wave? that passes through the lead and on to the component. In some rare cases this MIGHT weaken the solder joint. Our boards were even weighed before and after assembly to estimate the total amount of solder applied. ALL joints were inspected under a stereoscope. All of this (and more) was part of the quality control and assurance program. This helped to reduce MTBF (mean time before failure) for our circuit boards. In my case I installed BRD-6/7 RDF surveillance receivers on Nuclear Attack Boats. Failure was not tolerated. Howie WA3MCK On Sat, Mar 24, 2018 at 13:29 Mark Petrovic wrote: > While reading through my new K2 kit's control board assembly instructions, > I see that some builders prefer to trim the resistor and capacitor leads > before soldering. I'm intrigued by this, and wonder if someone who uses > this technique can share their experiences. Do you the solder the component > from the top of the board or bottom? How do you keep the component in > place during soldering? I am assuming the value of this technique is in > the resulting lower profile of the components on the backside of the board. > > Thank you. > > Mark > AE6RT > > -- > Mark > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wa3mck at gmail.com > From pvandyke1953 at gmail.com Sat Mar 24 18:56:57 2018 From: pvandyke1953 at gmail.com (Paul Van Dyke) Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2018 18:56:57 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Great day for short whips & /PM operation In-Reply-To: References: <16C40EE2-E139-45DE-9FE6-98DE8B813E80@elecraft.com> Message-ID: That is easy John ... When is Dayton ..?? Remembering the shock of the amateur radio world of the KX2's birth. Paul -- KB9AVO On 3/24/18, Jan Timmers wrote: > OK Wayne, you've piqued my curiosity. Is this the first day of the > Elecraft marketing campaign for their own branded version of a portable > loaded whip? You discreetly use "a couple different" in your comment, but > as I'm a keen-eyed observer to this sort of phrase-ology, I'm taking the > bait. > > Spill it Wayne - there's not many people reading this list now, so it's not > like you're telling company secrets to everybody. When's the new product > launch? > > 73 de VE7JBT - John > > On 24 March 2018 at 15:41, Wayne Burdick wrote: > >> I was out walking around in a local park with the KX2 today, using a >> couple of different 48? loaded whips. (/PM = pedestrian mobile, closely >> related to ?HF Pack,? though I prefer an ultralight version of it, with a >> ?pack? weighing only 2 pounds.) There were quite a few stations on 20 and >> 15 meters, and I had no trouble working everyone I called using 5 or 10 >> watts. Oh, and the sun finally came out...it?s been wet up here. >> >> Just a reminder to those of you who want to try this: You really do have >> to use at least one radial (counterpoise wire) if you plan to transmit. >> While receive works pretty well even without the radial, your transmitted >> signal will be 15-20 dB down, and you may have problems with RFI. This >> differential effect between RX and TX performance without a radial becomes >> more pronounced as you go down in frequency. >> >> Short whips usually come with instructions that suggest adjusting the >> length of the radial wire and/or the length of the telescoping part in >> order to obtain a low SWR. While that is certainly possible, it?s far >> easier to let an ATU do the fine tuning. The ATU can compensate for >> variations in counterpoise length, bends in the wire, ground conditions, >> how high off the ground the antenna is, etc. If the SWR goes up for any of >> these reasons, just tap the ATU tune button. >> >> (This is one reason that all Elecraft radios have internal ATU options, >> BTW.) >> >> Please report back on your own success with /PM operation. >> >> 73, >> Wayne >> N6KR >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to jaunti at gmail.com > > > > > -- > Regards; > John Timmers > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to pvandyke1953 at gmail.com From donwilh at embarqmail.com Sat Mar 24 19:15:37 2018 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2018 19:15:37 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Resistor and capacitor installation techniques: trim before or after soldering? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <38467ed4-cebf-9007-29fd-5cf0e9e4036b@embarqmail.com> Actually one of the important points in soldering with thru-hole components with plated hole boards is to watch the solder flow as you solder. You should see the solder wick down into the hole which minimizes the chances that the lead trimming process will cause a 'shock wave' that will fracture the solder. Put the soldering iron in contact with both the component lead and the solder pad (and keep it there). Apply the solder to the joint on the opposite side from the iron (a very small bit of solder at the iron tip will aid heat transfer). Then watch the solder flow. It should flow out to an almost invisible edge on both the component lead and the solder pad, then keep the heat on just a bit longer and the solder will wick down into the thru-plated hold. The entire process should take at least 2 seconds, but likely 3 seconds. With heavy leads on components, it can take up to 5 seconds. One thing that can help with fractured solder is the use of 'eutectic' solder alloys - the 63/37 alloy is one of them. Those have no plastic state - they go directly from molten to solid, and there is little danger of a "cold solder joint" if anything moves during the plastic state. The more commonly available 60/40 alloy does not have that property, and must not be moved while the solder is cooling. 73, Don W3FPR On 3/24/2018 6:51 PM, Howie WA3MCK wrote: > When I went to ?mil spec soldering school? at Sanders Associates in Nashua > NH back in the 80?s we were taught to install the component and > mechanically secure it BEFORE soldering. This included clipping the leads > of resistors, capacitors, and so forth. > Why? > When you clip a component lead it creates a very small ?shock wave? that > passes through the lead and on to the component. In some rare cases this > MIGHT weaken the solder joint. > Our boards were even weighed before and after assembly to estimate the > total amount of solder applied. > ALL joints were inspected under a stereoscope. > All of this (and more) was part of the quality control and assurance > program. > This helped to reduce MTBF (mean time before failure) for our circuit > boards. > In my case I installed BRD-6/7 RDF surveillance receivers on Nuclear Attack > Boats. > Failure was not tolerated. From rich at wc3t.us Sat Mar 24 19:23:59 2018 From: rich at wc3t.us (rich hurd WC3T) Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2018 23:23:59 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Great day for short whips & /PM operation In-Reply-To: <16C40EE2-E139-45DE-9FE6-98DE8B813E80@elecraft.com> References: <16C40EE2-E139-45DE-9FE6-98DE8B813E80@elecraft.com> Message-ID: I'm looking forward to doing some of that this spring and summer. I had some issues with the BNC connection on the KX3 and, although it's not truly configured as a mobile, I do want to use it like that. I bought a replacement connector and after a little struggle with the ATU connections to the RF board, it lit up and behaved like a new rig. As soon as my base HF rig comes back then me and my KX3 are going a-wandering. Hopefully sometime soon with an AX1. ;) On Sat, Mar 24, 2018 at 18:41 Wayne Burdick wrote: > I was out walking around in a local park with the KX2 today, using a > couple of different 48? loaded whips. (/PM = pedestrian mobile, closely > related to ?HF Pack,? though I prefer an ultralight version of it, with a > ?pack? weighing only 2 pounds.) There were quite a few stations on 20 and > 15 meters, and I had no trouble working everyone I called using 5 or 10 > watts. Oh, and the sun finally came out...it?s been wet up here. > > Just a reminder to those of you who want to try this: You really do have > to use at least one radial (counterpoise wire) if you plan to transmit. > While receive works pretty well even without the radial, your transmitted > signal will be 15-20 dB down, and you may have problems with RFI. This > differential effect between RX and TX performance without a radial becomes > more pronounced as you go down in frequency. > > Short whips usually come with instructions that suggest adjusting the > length of the radial wire and/or the length of the telescoping part in > order to obtain a low SWR. While that is certainly possible, it?s far > easier to let an ATU do the fine tuning. The ATU can compensate for > variations in counterpoise length, bends in the wire, ground conditions, > how high off the ground the antenna is, etc. If the SWR goes up for any of > these reasons, just tap the ATU tune button. > > (This is one reason that all Elecraft radios have internal ATU options, > BTW.) > > Please report back on your own success with /PM operation. > > 73, > Wayne > N6KR > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to rich at wc3t.us -- 72, Rich Hurd / WC3T / DMR: 3142737 PA Army MARS, Northampton County RACES, EPA-ARRL Public Information Officer for Scouting Latitude: 40.761621 Longitude: -75.288988 (40?45.68' N 75?17.33' W) Grid: *FN20is* From gmuller885 at aol.com Sat Mar 24 19:44:27 2018 From: gmuller885 at aol.com (gmuller885) Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2018 18:44:27 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Birdey Message-ID: <20180324234430.E41AF38000090@mtaout-mcc01.mx.aol.com> I turned on my k3 to do the ssb contest this afternoon and had great reception.? When I went to transmit I got the birdey sound. I was running barefoot so I lowered the per setting and it was still there. Any suggestions? Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S8+, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone From m.matthew.george at gmail.com Sat Mar 24 20:31:11 2018 From: m.matthew.george at gmail.com (M. George) Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2018 18:31:11 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] NG7M / 2 Videos on FSK RTTY timings generated with EXTFSK/64 on new and older PC's via USB FTDI Com Ports Message-ID: Hi Joe, unfortunately, you didn't watch both videos and follow the very detailed description of the setup in the 1st bideo.. The first video is crystal clear on a real world setup. I'm running Win4K3Suite for CAT control and virtual K3 feeds to 3 different com0com virtual ports for SDR100's and I have a physical feed to my 2K-FA which shows up as a virtual K3 etc... All of the serial activity is on the same 8 port VSCOM USB box... one USB connection to a 2.0 USB hub on the 8700K computer which also has another serial usb FTDI. I also have a full 192khz pan adapter sound card going with Win4K3Suite pumping a UDP feed to N1MM+ to show the N1MM+ spectrum display... and MMTTY is running from N1MM+. And a full cluster feed going too which includes skimmer spots. I'm not sure what real world is based on your comments. Plus the PC in question is recording 4K video at 30fps and there are 2 web cams going full bore, one at 1920x1080p and the other just under that resolution. I had the PC loaded down more than it ever would in a real world contest situation. If you watch the full video you can see, even with all that heavy load, there is no jitter as measured on the scope... unless 40 microseconds peak to peak at 250MSa/s is meaningful jitter. This is all show in the video. I demonstrate it... I just to tell you about it via a post to the reflector here. Please, watch the full video before jumping to conclusions or make suggests on what I should demonstrate when I have already demonstrated things you should say I should demonstrate. Folks got their wires crossed without watching all the content in the videos. Please watch all of video #1 and all of video #2 and if you disagree, please record your own demonstration and present data and video to show why there is still jitter under load on a multi core setup. I can't argue against the data and video in the demonstrations. I made it *very clear* in the *2nd video* that the single core computer didn't meet the current recommended N1MM+ hardware expectations (stated that very clearly early on in the video). So to be clear, the 1.1 ghz laptop cira 2005 is not a good laptop if you going to load it up with CAT feeds and several other devices, CAT control, multiple sound cards and decoders, cluster feeds etc... In fact, no one should even try to use a single core pc at 1.1ghz to do a bunch of concurrent processing in a "contest" like setup. This hopefully is obvious to everyone/anyone. Your comments related to how bad the timings are for the second video are relevant in that, yes... don't try to load up a system like that and run N1MM+ and MMTTY etc... it's a bad idea! :) So nobody should assume I was trying to say that it was a good idea to use that setup. Again, don't do it. Unless you are using something external for the timings. TinyFSK etc... even AFSK with timings via the sound card clock. If you watched all of the second video, you will also see what happens when you load the CPU with a stress test while trying to generate FSK timings. This is a worse case than any contest load. You see in the video that things pretty much stop working as expected. It was a WORSE CASE demonstration (nothing more) and at under low load, the timings were NOT as bad as I expected. The *#2 video *(*assuming everyone plows through the content*) makes that pretty clear. Based on rhetorical / and anecdotal comments from many others, they would have you believe that any USB Com port generated timings of rig based FSK are horrible and that your signals just can't be copied on the other end of the QSO. The* #1 first video * IMHO ( *https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FN0SlOHcMQw* ) is more relevant to a loaded system in the year 2018. Please take the time to watch the first video if you haven't already done so. It is long... but you get a lot of detail on how an Intel i7 8700K under high load behaves when generating USB Com Port FSK timings. I really hope others take the time to watch the videos before jumping to any conclusions. The debate in this area will never end. That is one thing we all can agree on. I would be surprised if *anyone* on this list actually has an i7 8700K setup like I demonstrate in the first video? Anyone? Anyone? Has anyone ponied up for an i7 8700K running 3.2ghz DDR4 ram? I ran the 8700K at stock clock speeds, but usually over clock it to 5.2ghz easily across all cores for day to day use. It's running on a custom water loop. I highly doubt anyone has or will take the time in the short term to even try recording 1 hour and 55 minutes of 4K video with two web cams running along with multiple serial port CAT feeds going... yada, yada, yada. We are talking 4K 30fps video here while running N1MM+ with two spectrum displays etc... please, see the #1 video, I detail all of this out. In the first video above you are going to see what really is the bleeding edge of single thread performance in a 6 core (12 logical thread Intel i7 8700K). Believe me, what you described as a heavy load contest situation is a stroll through the park on an i7 8700K. It's really laughable load for an 8700K. And when I say laughable, I mean laughable. Please, if you haven't done so... watch the first video. The jitter presented there under high load while recording 4K video is in the 10s of microseconds. Under typical contest load the CPU in the demonstration wouldn't even break a sweat. If I was to pick a starting point (which is anecdotal really) for a contest level computer, running CAT feeds and multiple serial devices and a heavy RBN cluster feed etc... I would say that a true 4 core second or 3rd generation Intel CPU is a good start. However, my experience is that the quad core AMD's do a fine job too if you don't get too crazy. Also, has anyone actually tried to document and do any real world measurements on SNR and FSK RTTY jitter at some repeatable level where we have some real world numbers to back things up? I certainly haven't. I would love to see some video and data. If someone is so included, I think you should make the measurements and present the data. I would really love to see it. Take the time to setup the testing and make it repeatable and present the data and video make your conclusions. Then put it out for peer review and discussion. This is what makes this all interesting. Again, please watch all the content in my videos, so we know we are on the same page as to what we are talking about. And thanks again for watching if you have already completed reviewing all the content. Max NG7M -- M. George From lists at subich.com Sat Mar 24 22:29:12 2018 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2018 22:29:12 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] NG7M / 2 Videos on FSK RTTY timings generated with EXTFSK/64 on new and older PC's via USB FTDI Com Ports In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8e52080c-b851-0941-2158-d083a531449d@subich.com> On 3/24/2018 8:31 PM, M. George wrote: > Hi Joe, unfortunately, you didn't watch both videos and follow the > very detailed description of the setup in the 1st bideo.. To the contrary, I sat through all of the redundancies of both videos. Unfortunately, your first video is completely unrealistic as the vast majority of amateurs uses computers significantly less powerful than your lightly loaded (less than 40% CPU utilization by your own video) six core, 3+ GHz CPU with the EXTFSK port on a dedicated motherboard USB port with no loading from multiple (high priority) sound cards (they are on a different USB Root Hub) and no contest level cluster spots. From my customer support support experience, the typical amateur station is a 2-2.4 GHz Core2Duo (two cores, 4 execution units) with 1 GB RAM and all USB ports (typically 4) served by a single USB Root Hub. The system typically runs a logging program that polls one or two transceivers for eight parameters every 50 to 100 msec along with one or two 96 or 192 KHz sample rate USB sound cards for a software panadapter (or equivalent USB I/Q SDR receivers) and another 16 bit, 48 KHz sample rate USB sound card for digital operation. In addition, those systems are connected to a DXCluster node with CW/RTTY Skimmer providing a net spot flow of > 100 spots per minute. I've provided jitter data as measured by microHAM in 2010 multiple times on the RTTY list ... and that data has been verified by JA7UDE (author of EXTFSK an ETFSK64) who also confirms the added jitter when the USB system (single USB Root Hub) is loaded with heavy data transfer. Oba's results have also been reported on the RTTY list and are available on his EXTFSK64 page. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 3/24/2018 8:31 PM, M. George wrote: > Hi Joe, unfortunately, you didn't watch both videos and follow the very > detailed description of the setup in the 1st bideo.. The first video is > crystal clear on a real world setup. I'm running Win4K3Suite for CAT > control and virtual K3 feeds to 3 different com0com virtual ports for > SDR100's and I have a physical feed to my 2K-FA which shows up as a virtual > K3 etc... All of the serial activity is on the same 8 port VSCOM USB > box... one USB connection to a 2.0 USB hub on the 8700K computer which also > has another serial usb FTDI. I also have a full 192khz pan adapter sound > card going with Win4K3Suite pumping a UDP feed to N1MM+ to show the N1MM+ > spectrum display... and MMTTY is running from N1MM+. And a full cluster > feed going too which includes skimmer spots. I'm not sure what real world > is based on your comments. Plus the PC in question is recording 4K video > at 30fps and there are 2 web cams going full bore, one at 1920x1080p and > the other just under that resolution. I had the PC loaded down more than > it ever would in a real world contest situation. > > If you watch the full video you can see, even with all that heavy load, > there is no jitter as measured on the scope... unless 40 microseconds peak > to peak at 250MSa/s is meaningful jitter. This is all show in the video. > I demonstrate it... I just to tell you about it via a post to the reflector > here. > > Please, watch the full video before jumping to conclusions or make suggests > on what I should demonstrate when I have already demonstrated things you > should say I should demonstrate. > > Folks got their wires crossed without watching all the content in the > videos. Please watch all of video #1 and all of video #2 and if you > disagree, please record your own demonstration and present data and video > to show why there is still jitter under load on a multi core setup. I > can't argue against the data and video in the demonstrations. > > I made it *very clear* in the *2nd video* > that the single core computer > didn't meet the current recommended N1MM+ hardware expectations (stated > that very clearly early on in the video). So to be clear, the 1.1 ghz > laptop cira 2005 is not a good laptop if you going to load it up with CAT > feeds and several other devices, CAT control, multiple sound cards and > decoders, cluster feeds etc... In fact, no one should even try to use a > single core pc at 1.1ghz to do a bunch of concurrent processing in a > "contest" like setup. This hopefully is obvious to everyone/anyone. Your > comments related to how bad the timings are for the second video are > relevant in that, yes... don't try to load up a system like that and run > N1MM+ and MMTTY etc... it's a bad idea! :) So nobody should assume I was > trying to say that it was a good idea to use that setup. Again, don't do > it. Unless you are using something external for the timings. TinyFSK > etc... even AFSK with timings via the sound card clock. If you watched all > of the second video, you will also see what happens when you load the CPU > with a stress test while trying to generate FSK timings. This is a worse > case than any contest load. You see in the video that things pretty much > stop working as expected. > > It was a WORSE CASE demonstration (nothing more) and at under low load, the > timings were NOT as bad as I expected. > > The *#2 video *(*assuming everyone plows through the content*) makes that > pretty clear. Based on rhetorical / and anecdotal comments from many > others, they would have you believe that any USB Com port generated timings > of rig based FSK are horrible and that your signals just can't be copied on > the other end of the QSO. > > The* #1 first video * IMHO ( > *https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FN0SlOHcMQw* > ) is more relevant to a loaded > system in the year 2018. Please take the time to watch the first video if > you haven't already done so. It is long... but you get a lot of detail on > how an Intel i7 8700K under high load behaves when generating USB Com Port > FSK timings. I really hope others take the time to watch the videos before > jumping to any conclusions. The debate in this area will never end. That > is one thing we all can agree on. > > I would be surprised if *anyone* on this list actually has an i7 8700K > setup like I demonstrate in the first video? Anyone? Anyone? Has anyone > ponied up for an i7 8700K running 3.2ghz DDR4 ram? I ran the 8700K at > stock clock speeds, but usually over clock it to 5.2ghz easily across all > cores for day to day use. It's running on a custom water loop. I highly > doubt anyone has or will take the time in the short term to even try > recording 1 hour and 55 minutes of 4K video with two web cams running along > with multiple serial port CAT feeds going... yada, yada, yada. We are > talking 4K 30fps video here while running N1MM+ with two spectrum displays > etc... please, see the #1 video, I detail all of this out. > > In the first video above you are going to see what really is the bleeding > edge of single thread performance in a 6 core (12 logical thread Intel i7 > 8700K). Believe me, what you described as a heavy load contest situation > is a stroll through the park on an i7 8700K. It's really laughable load > for an 8700K. And when I say laughable, I mean laughable. Please, if you > haven't done so... watch the first video. The jitter presented there under > high load while recording 4K video is in the 10s of microseconds. Under > typical contest load the CPU in the demonstration wouldn't even break a > sweat. > > If I was to pick a starting point (which is anecdotal really) for a contest > level computer, running CAT feeds and multiple serial devices and a heavy > RBN cluster feed etc... I would say that a true 4 core second or 3rd > generation Intel CPU is a good start. However, my experience is that the > quad core AMD's do a fine job too if you don't get too crazy. > > Also, has anyone actually tried to document and do any real world > measurements on SNR and FSK RTTY jitter at some repeatable level where we > have some real world numbers to back things up? I certainly haven't. I > would love to see some video and data. If someone is so included, I think > you should make the measurements and present the data. I would really love > to see it. Take the time to setup the testing and make it repeatable and > present the data and video make your conclusions. Then put it out for peer > review and discussion. This is what makes this all interesting. > > Again, please watch all the content in my videos, so we know we are on the > same page as to what we are talking about. And thanks again for watching > if you have already completed reviewing all the content. > > Max NG7M > > From kevinr at coho.net Sat Mar 24 23:20:56 2018 From: kevinr at coho.net (kevinr) Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2018 20:20:56 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Announcement Message-ID: <388a6a24-9858-5e43-6c09-f3cbaa411b53@coho.net> Good Evening, There was a knock on my front door.? I looked out the window only to find a Washington County Deputy Sheriff in a very dirty uniform.? I opened the door and invited him in to wash up but he smiled ruefully and refused. So I walked out on the deck and handed him my garden hose.? As he washed off some of the mud and clay he started to explain. ? He had been chasing some miscreant when they came up into our labyrinth of dead end roads.? He told me he followed where his GPS told him to go. I could not help but chuckle.? GPS can?t tell you where to go, it can only tell you where you are.? A compass and an up to date map are far more effective tools. Just by looking at him I could tell which road he had gotten stuck in near my house.? The 4WD folks from the area love to go out in groups and drive a certain road and get themselves mired up to their axles.? They travel in groups so they can pull each other out. ? He agreed to the location and asked me for help.? My F250 was in use and not available.? So I called my neighbor.? A third generation native who knows the elk by name.? I told him the story, he laughed, and said give him ten minutes.? I relayed the information to the deputy and we sat on the deck to wait. ? When my neighbor showed up I asked him to help the deputy find his way around our mountain roads.? He was more than willing to help.? The deputy came by a few days later in a much cleaner uniform and thanked me.? He told me my neighbor took a few hours and showed him which roads were passable and which were not.? The moral of the story: don?t trust where your GPS tells you to go. Propagation has been approved by Wayne himself.? Cool.? The solar wind does have something to do with it too.? There may be some hiss and some odd whistling noises but that is part of the fun. Please join us tomorrow on: 14050 kHz at 2200z Sunday (3 PM PDT Sunday) ? 7045 kHz at 0000z Monday (5 PM PDT Sunday) 73, Kevin. KD5ONS _ From jsodus at comcast.net Sat Mar 24 23:40:19 2018 From: jsodus at comcast.net (JEROME SODUS) Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2018 23:40:19 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Elecraft] Resistor and capacitor installation techniques: trim before or after soldering? Message-ID: <1089387922.556055.1521949219803@connect.xfinity.com> About Message#15 copied below.... Sorry but cutting wires after soldering is "bad practice"; NASA wanted the soldered connection left undisturbed. If I ever saw an assembler or tech doing that "bad practice", they'd get a verbal warning that first time and a written warning if it ever happened again; but I had good, conscientious people and never had to do that. So, tin the wires if needed; position the part and then trim wires before doing the final soldering. 73 Jerry KM3K Message: 15 Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2018 19:39:47 +0000 From: Bill Johnson To: "kstover at ac0h.net" , 'Mark Petrovic' , "Elecraft at mailman.qth.net" Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Resistor and capacitor installation techniques: trim before or after soldering? Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Follow the instructions and solder as directed. There are components on both sides as I recall with the majority on the top. The leads need be spread to hold the components in place on the board. Once done soldering use a flush cut wirecutter to remove the excess. Not a good idea to trim them before soldering. 72 & 73, Bill K9YEQ FT'er for K2, KX1, KX3, KXPA100, KAT500, W2, etc. From CGarbage1 at optonline.net Sun Mar 25 09:32:19 2018 From: CGarbage1 at optonline.net (Chris) Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2018 09:32:19 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 "HI CUR" Warning Message-ID: <28462D77-2352-4BF7-905E-3C1C6268F17A@optonline.net> My KX2 started now only reports 25.4-1 when attempting to tune my antenna. The value does not fluctuate during the tuning process. During some transmit attempts (SSB, Power set to 3.0W), I received the "HI CUR"message. In general, my reported power output never gets above 0.5W, no matter what power settings are used. Any help would be appreicated. --Chris (KD2FLH) From nr4c at widomaker.com Sun Mar 25 10:18:15 2018 From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c) Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2018 10:18:15 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 "HI CUR" Warning In-Reply-To: <28462D77-2352-4BF7-905E-3C1C6268F17A@optonline.net> References: <28462D77-2352-4BF7-905E-3C1C6268F17A@optonline.net> Message-ID: Check every connection in any system. VSWR of 25.1 is normal for an ?no antenna? condition at any connector. Something is disconnected. WIt?s this HI SWR you will get HI CUR warming as radio tries to develop power into the non-existing antenna. And you will not get much power developed. Sent from my iPhone ...nr4c. bill > On Mar 25, 2018, at 9:32 AM, Chris wrote: > > My KX2 started now only reports 25.4-1 when attempting to tune my antenna. The value does not fluctuate during the tuning process. > > During some transmit attempts (SSB, Power set to 3.0W), I received the "HI CUR"message. In general, my reported power output never gets above 0.5W, no matter what power settings are used. > > Any help would be appreicated. > > --Chris (KD2FLH) > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to nr4c at widomaker.com From rich at wc3t.us Sun Mar 25 10:42:53 2018 From: rich at wc3t.us (rich hurd WC3T) Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2018 14:42:53 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 "HI CUR" Warning In-Reply-To: References: <28462D77-2352-4BF7-905E-3C1C6268F17A@optonline.net> Message-ID: I recently corrected such a fault on my KX3 by replacing the BNC chassis connector. I had tried all other suspects: cables, faulty connectors, cheap crap from Fleabay rather than a reputable source, even different (previously working) antennas; nothing worked. My misadventures are chronicled on the reflector archives somewhere. :) Once I replaced the BNC chassis connector, the rig returned to its normal stellar performance. Thanks Bill for the tip about 25.4-1. Didn't know that. It would have accelerated the troubleshooting process. :) On Sun, Mar 25, 2018 at 10:18 Nr4c wrote: > Check every connection in any system. VSWR of 25.1 is normal for an ?no > antenna? condition at any connector. Something is disconnected. > > WIt?s this HI SWR you will get HI CUR warming as radio tries to develop > power into the non-existing antenna. And you will not get much power > developed. > > Sent from my iPhone > ...nr4c. bill > > > > On Mar 25, 2018, at 9:32 AM, Chris wrote: > > > > My KX2 started now only reports 25.4-1 when attempting to tune my > antenna. The value does not fluctuate during the tuning process. > > > > During some transmit attempts (SSB, Power set to 3.0W), I received the > "HI CUR"message. In general, my reported power output never gets above > 0.5W, no matter what power settings are used. > > > > Any help would be appreicated. > > > > --Chris (KD2FLH) > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to nr4c at widomaker.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to rich at wc3t.us -- 72, Rich Hurd / WC3T / DMR: 3142737 PA Army MARS, Northampton County RACES, EPA-ARRL Public Information Officer for Scouting Latitude: 40.761621 Longitude: -75.288988 (40?45.68' N 75?17.33' W) Grid: *FN20is* From CGarbage1 at optonline.net Sun Mar 25 10:53:14 2018 From: CGarbage1 at optonline.net (Chris) Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2018 10:53:14 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 "HI CUR" Warning In-Reply-To: References: <28462D77-2352-4BF7-905E-3C1C6268F17A@optonline.net> Message-ID: Bill, Thanks for your response. I tried tuning into a 50 ohm dummy load (using known good cables), and see the same issue. Neither the BNC nor the internal cables look damaged in any way. I'll note I never use an internal battery, so I rarely open the unit. -- Chris (KD2FLH) On March 25, 2018 10:18:15 AM EDT, Nr4c wrote: >Check every connection in any system. VSWR of 25.1 is normal for an ?no >antenna? condition at any connector. Something is disconnected. > >WIt?s this HI SWR you will get HI CUR warming as radio tries to develop >power into the non-existing antenna. And you will not get much power >developed. > >Sent from my iPhone >...nr4c. bill > > >> On Mar 25, 2018, at 9:32 AM, Chris wrote: >> >> My KX2 started now only reports 25.4-1 when attempting to tune my >antenna. The value does not fluctuate during the tuning process. >> >> During some transmit attempts (SSB, Power set to 3.0W), I received >the "HI CUR"message. In general, my reported power output never gets >above 0.5W, no matter what power settings are used. >> >> Any help would be appreicated. >> >> --Chris (KD2FLH) >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to nr4c at widomaker.com From johan at e-626.net Sun Mar 25 11:19:46 2018 From: johan at e-626.net (Johan Ymerson) Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2018 17:19:46 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 "HI CUR" Warning In-Reply-To: References: <28462D77-2352-4BF7-905E-3C1C6268F17A@optonline.net> Message-ID: <3134938.JJoaZLoQnh@gantu> Hi, Since it is displaying HI CUR it is more likely a short. I am not familiar with the KX2, but other Elecraft rigs has a spark gap across the antenna input. These devices are designed to fail safe, ie short, if overloaded. Not sure how to check that on a KX2 though. /Johan On Sunday, 25 March 2018 16:53:14 CEST Chris wrote: > Bill, > > Thanks for your response. I tried tuning into a 50 ohm dummy load (using > known good cables), and see the same issue. > > Neither the BNC nor the internal cables look damaged in any way. > > I'll note I never use an internal battery, so I rarely open the unit. > > -- Chris (KD2FLH) > > On March 25, 2018 10:18:15 AM EDT, Nr4c wrote: > >Check every connection in any system. VSWR of 25.1 is normal for an ?no > >antenna? condition at any connector. Something is disconnected. > > > >WIt?s this HI SWR you will get HI CUR warming as radio tries to develop > >power into the non-existing antenna. And you will not get much power > >developed. > > > >Sent from my iPhone > >...nr4c. bill > > > >> On Mar 25, 2018, at 9:32 AM, Chris wrote: > >> > >> My KX2 started now only reports 25.4-1 when attempting to tune my > > > >antenna. The value does not fluctuate during the tuning process. > > > >> During some transmit attempts (SSB, Power set to 3.0W), I received > > > >the "HI CUR"message. In general, my reported power output never gets > >above 0.5W, no matter what power settings are used. > > > >> Any help would be appreicated. > >> > >> --Chris (KD2FLH) > >> ______________________________________________________________ > >> Elecraft mailing list > >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >> > >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > >> Message delivered to nr4c at widomaker.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to johan at e-626.net From jboehner01 at yahoo.com Sun Mar 25 11:33:25 2018 From: jboehner01 at yahoo.com (James F. Boehner MD) Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2018 11:33:25 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Resistor and capacitor installation techniques: trim before or after soldering? Message-ID: <006d01d3c44e$9e65c800$db315800$@yahoo.com> Jerome, Now this is interesting. This is totally opposite of the way most of us were taught to solder. Among the kits I used to put together were Heathkit and Ramsey, both of whom recommended securing the parts in place by spreading the leads, soldering, and then cutting the wires close to the solder blob, checking for shorts. I assume that goes for Elecraft also, but I have not built any of their radios as kits, so not sure. So how did NASA handle the potential difficulties? Did they have precut parts? Did the tech have to place the part in the board and cut the leads first? If the part was loose, how was it held close to the board, owing to the fact that holding the solder and the iron took two hands? What if the lead length was overestimated and potentially could cause a short? Could the wire be cut and the joint reheated, or did the part have to be removed, recut and reinserted? Just trying to picture the operation. '73 de JIM N2ZZ -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of JEROME SODUS Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2018 11:40 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Resistor and capacitor installation techniques: trim before or after soldering? About Message#15 copied below.... Sorry but cutting wires after soldering is "bad practice"; NASA wanted the soldered connection left undisturbed. If I ever saw an assembler or tech doing that "bad practice", they'd get a verbal warning that first time and a written warning if it ever happened again; but I had good, conscientious people and never had to do that. So, tin the wires if needed; position the part and then trim wires before doing the final soldering. 73 Jerry KM3K Message: 15 Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2018 19:39:47 +0000 From: Bill Johnson To: "kstover at ac0h.net" , 'Mark Petrovic' , "Elecraft at mailman.qth.net" Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Resistor and capacitor installation techniques: trim before or after soldering? Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Follow the instructions and solder as directed. There are components on both sides as I recall with the majority on the top. The leads need be spread to hold the components in place on the board. Once done soldering use a flush cut wirecutter to remove the excess. Not a good idea to trim them before soldering. 72 & 73, Bill K9YEQ FT'er for K2, KX1, KX3, KXPA100, KAT500, W2, etc. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to jboehner01 at yahoo.com From rc.kc5wa at gmail.com Sun Mar 25 11:45:21 2018 From: rc.kc5wa at gmail.com (Robert 'RC' Conley) Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2018 10:45:21 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] XG1 Message-ID: I need a "manual' for an XG1 signal general. I know its discontinued. Need to determine if this one is functional or not. Thanks KC5WA -- The Morse be with you....Live Long and Prosper.... From ve5ra at sasktel.net Sun Mar 25 12:05:25 2018 From: ve5ra at sasktel.net (Doug Renwick) Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2018 10:05:25 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Resistor and capacitor installation techniques: trim before or after soldering? In-Reply-To: <006d01d3c44e$9e65c800$db315800$@yahoo.com> References: <006d01d3c44e$9e65c800$db315800$@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <45E448B85A8E441694BA479FAFEE2B0E@DOUG8PC> Heathkit recommended the "bad practice" saying "solder the leads to the foil and cut off the excess lead lengths". Reprimanding a technician for doing this is insane. Doug "Political correctness is a weapon used to silence people who tell the truth" - Ayaan Hirsi Ali -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of James F. Boehner MD via Elecraft Sent: March-25-18 9:33 AM To: 'JEROME SODUS'; elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] Resistor and capacitor installation techniques: trimbefore or after soldering? Jerome, Now this is interesting. This is totally opposite of the way most of us were taught to solder. Among the kits I used to put together were Heathkit and Ramsey, both of whom recommended securing the parts in place by spreading the leads, soldering, and then cutting the wires close to the solder blob, checking for shorts. I assume that goes for Elecraft also, but I have not built any of their radios as kits, so not sure. So how did NASA handle the potential difficulties? Did they have precut parts? Did the tech have to place the part in the board and cut the leads first? If the part was loose, how was it held close to the board, owing to the fact that holding the solder and the iron took two hands? What if the lead length was overestimated and potentially could cause a short? Could the wire be cut and the joint reheated, or did the part have to be removed, recut and reinserted? Just trying to picture the operation. '73 de JIM N2ZZ -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of JEROME SODUS Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2018 11:40 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Resistor and capacitor installation techniques: trim before or after soldering? About Message#15 copied below.... Sorry but cutting wires after soldering is "bad practice"; NASA wanted the soldered connection left undisturbed. If I ever saw an assembler or tech doing that "bad practice", they'd get a verbal warning that first time and a written warning if it ever happened again; but I had good, conscientious people and never had to do that. So, tin the wires if needed; position the part and then trim wires before doing the final soldering. 73 Jerry KM3K Message: 15 Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2018 19:39:47 +0000 From: Bill Johnson To: "kstover at ac0h.net" , 'Mark Petrovic' , "Elecraft at mailman.qth.net" Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Resistor and capacitor installation techniques: trim before or after soldering? Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Follow the instructions and solder as directed. There are components on both sides as I recall with the majority on the top. The leads need be spread to hold the components in place on the board. Once done soldering use a flush cut wirecutter to remove the excess. Not a good idea to trim them before soldering. 72 & 73, Bill K9YEQ FT'er for K2, KX1, KX3, KXPA100, KAT500, W2, etc. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to jboehner01 at yahoo.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ve5ra at sasktel.net --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From donwilh at embarqmail.com Sun Mar 25 12:18:56 2018 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2018 12:18:56 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Resistor and capacitor installation techniques: trim before or after soldering? In-Reply-To: <006d01d3c44e$9e65c800$db315800$@yahoo.com> References: <006d01d3c44e$9e65c800$db315800$@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <96085010-94ae-9089-1873-a4c1d4d920f3@embarqmail.com> I agree, the stated NASA "method" does amaze me. First, the K2 is not likely to go a space journey. Components with pre-cut leads may require 3 hands. One to hold the component, one to hold the soldering iron and another to hold the solder. I would assume that NASA directive was for wave-soldering boards and does not apply to hand soldering. I personally have a guideline which says "do not ever trim an unsoldered lead" - watch as you trim and go back and solder it. Of course, I am one who inserts multiple components before soldering. I have never seen a failed solder connection in my work nor had any reports of solder joint failure from those I have built the K2, K1, KX1 or XVseries transverters. 73, Don W3FPR On 3/25/2018 11:33 AM, James F. Boehner MD via Elecraft wrote: > Jerome, > > Now this is interesting. This is totally opposite of the way most of us > were taught to solder. Among the kits I used to put together were Heathkit > and Ramsey, both of whom recommended securing the parts in place by > spreading the leads, soldering, and then cutting the wires close to the > solder blob, checking for shorts. I assume that goes for Elecraft also, but > I have not built any of their radios as kits, so not sure. > > So how did NASA handle the potential difficulties? Did they have precut > parts? Did the tech have to place the part in the board and cut the leads > first? If the part was loose, how was it held close to the board, owing to > the fact that holding the solder and the iron took two hands? What if the > lead length was overestimated and potentially could cause a short? Could > the wire be cut and the joint reheated, or did the part have to be removed, > recut and reinserted? > From art at artg.tv Sun Mar 25 12:28:44 2018 From: art at artg.tv (Art Greenberg) Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2018 12:28:44 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Resistor and capacitor installation techniques: trim before or after soldering? In-Reply-To: <96085010-94ae-9089-1873-a4c1d4d920f3@embarqmail.com> References: <006d01d3c44e$9e65c800$db315800$@yahoo.com> <96085010-94ae-9089-1873-a4c1d4d920f3@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <1521995324.2361588.1315362336.0544D67C@webmail.messagingengine.com> I guess if you're building something that goes into a spacecraft or is life support equipment, you want to do everything you can to make the product as reliable as possible. In most cases, ham gear, especially hand assembled ham gear, doesn't fall into that category. Mass produced through-hole assembly where the PCB is wave soldered requires the parts to be held in place and leads trimmed prior to soldering. I recall a "staking" tool that would flatten the component lead very close to the PCB and trim off the excess in one operation. Replacing parts where the components were staked in is a PITA. -- Art Greenberg WA2LLN art at artg.tv On Sun, Mar 25, 2018, at 12:18, Don Wilhelm wrote: > I agree, the stated NASA "method" does amaze me. > First, the K2 is not likely to go a space journey. > > Components with pre-cut leads may require 3 hands. One to hold the > component, one to hold the soldering iron and another to hold the solder. > I would assume that NASA directive was for wave-soldering boards and > does not apply to hand soldering. > > I personally have a guideline which says "do not ever trim an unsoldered > lead" - watch as you trim and go back and solder it. > > Of course, I am one who inserts multiple components before soldering. > > I have never seen a failed solder connection in my work nor had any > reports of solder joint failure from those I have built the K2, K1, KX1 > or XVseries transverters. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > > On 3/25/2018 11:33 AM, James F. Boehner MD via Elecraft wrote: > > Jerome, > > > > Now this is interesting. This is totally opposite of the way most of us > > were taught to solder. Among the kits I used to put together were Heathkit > > and Ramsey, both of whom recommended securing the parts in place by > > spreading the leads, soldering, and then cutting the wires close to the > > solder blob, checking for shorts. I assume that goes for Elecraft also, but > > I have not built any of their radios as kits, so not sure. > > > > So how did NASA handle the potential difficulties? Did they have precut > > parts? Did the tech have to place the part in the board and cut the leads > > first? If the part was loose, how was it held close to the board, owing to > > the fact that holding the solder and the iron took two hands? What if the > > lead length was overestimated and potentially could cause a short? Could > > the wire be cut and the joint reheated, or did the part have to be removed, > > recut and reinserted? > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to art at artg.tv From donwilh at embarqmail.com Sun Mar 25 12:35:58 2018 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2018 12:35:58 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 "HI CUR" Warning In-Reply-To: References: <28462D77-2352-4BF7-905E-3C1C6268F17A@optonline.net> Message-ID: <76772ee9-33c2-7a7c-c607-16235d1b265e@embarqmail.com> Chris, That high SWR indication along with the HI CUR warning usually means that there is no antenna or dummy load electrically connected. Check the cable from the KXAT3 to the BNC jack to be certain it is properly seated. Did you ever connect an old 75 ohm BNC connector to the KX3? Modern 75 ohm BNC connectors have the same size center pin as the 50 ohm connectors, but older ones may have a larger center pin. If you used one of those old 75 ohm connectors, you may have enlarged the center conductor of the KX3 BNC jack and then later using a 50 ohm connector, there will be a break in the continuity. You may be able to bend the fingers of the female BNC jack inward, but if that is not feasible, replace the BNC jack. 73, Don W3FPR On 3/25/2018 10:53 AM, Chris wrote: > Bill, > > Thanks for your response. I tried tuning into a 50 ohm dummy load (using known good cables), and see the same issue. > > Neither the BNC nor the internal cables look damaged in any way. > > I'll note I never use an internal battery, so I rarely open the unit. > From dave at nk7z.net Sun Mar 25 12:55:00 2018 From: dave at nk7z.net (Dave Cole (NK7Z)) Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2018 09:55:00 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] XG1 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0f88181c-4241-4fad-33e1-15bd7cd2735a@nk7z.net> Check your email... 73s and thanks, Dave NK7Z https://www.nk7z.net On 03/25/2018 08:45 AM, Robert 'RC' Conley wrote: > I need a "manual' for an XG1 signal general. > I know its discontinued. Need to determine > if this one is functional or not. > Thanks > KC5WA > From rc.kc5wa at gmail.com Sun Mar 25 12:55:43 2018 From: rc.kc5wa at gmail.com (Robert 'RC' Conley) Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2018 11:55:43 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] XG1 Message-ID: Thanks to all I now have what I needed 73 KC5WA -- The Morse be with you....Live Long and Prosper.... From k1whs at metrocast.net Sun Mar 25 12:57:06 2018 From: k1whs at metrocast.net (David Olean) Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2018 16:57:06 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Resistor and capacitor installation techniques: trim before or after soldering? In-Reply-To: <006d01d3c44e$9e65c800$db315800$@yahoo.com> References: <006d01d3c44e$9e65c800$db315800$@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5e553f04-1e1e-1a74-be10-7d02286a02b0@metrocast.net> I was NASA certified to solder components back in the late 60's. I don't remember much except that stripping wires teflon wires required thermal wire strippers, and each solder joint used the minimum amount of solder and wires were wrapped around terminals for a specified number of degrees. The meniscus formed by the solder joint had to be concave.? All flux had to be removed with ethyl alcohol. All in an effort to reduce weight of the total package and still be reasonably solid to pass the shake tests.? I would never use NASA techniques for normal solder jobs.? There is something to be said about .062 or .125 rolls of solder? and big lumps of solder on the joints! :-). Dave K1WHS (solder blob expert!) On 3/25/2018 3:33 PM, James F. Boehner MD via Elecraft wrote: > Jerome, > > Now this is interesting. This is totally opposite of the way most of us > were taught to solder. Among the kits I used to put together were Heathkit > and Ramsey, both of whom recommended securing the parts in place by > spreading the leads, soldering, and then cutting the wires close to the > solder blob, checking for shorts. I assume that goes for Elecraft also, but > I have not built any of their radios as kits, so not sure. > > So how did NASA handle the potential difficulties? Did they have precut > parts? Did the tech have to place the part in the board and cut the leads > first? If the part was loose, how was it held close to the board, owing to > the fact that holding the solder and the iron took two hands? What if the > lead length was overestimated and potentially could cause a short? Could > the wire be cut and the joint reheated, or did the part have to be removed, > recut and reinserted? > > Just trying to picture the operation. > > '73 de JIM N2ZZ > > -----Original Message----- > From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net > [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of JEROME SODUS > Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2018 11:40 PM > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Resistor and capacitor installation techniques: trim > before or after soldering? > > About Message#15 copied below.... > > Sorry but cutting wires after soldering is "bad practice"; NASA wanted the > soldered connection left undisturbed. > > If I ever saw an assembler or tech doing that "bad practice", they'd get a > verbal warning that first time and a written warning if it ever happened > again; but I had good, conscientious people and never had to do that. > > So, tin the wires if needed; position the part and then trim wires before > doing the final soldering. > > 73 Jerry KM3K > > > > Message: 15 > Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2018 19:39:47 +0000 > From: Bill Johnson > To: "kstover at ac0h.net" , 'Mark Petrovic' > , "Elecraft at mailman.qth.net" > > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Resistor and capacitor installation > techniques: trim before or after soldering? > Message-ID: > OM> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Follow the instructions and solder as directed. There are components on both > sides as I recall with the majority on the top. The leads need be spread to > hold the components in place on the board. Once done soldering use a flush > cut wirecutter to remove the excess. Not a good idea to trim them before > soldering. > > 72 & 73, > Bill > K9YEQ > FT'er for K2, KX1, KX3, KXPA100, KAT500, W2, etc. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message > delivered to jboehner01 at yahoo.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k1whs at metrocast.net > From tony.kaz at verizon.net Sun Mar 25 12:57:53 2018 From: tony.kaz at verizon.net (N2TK, Tony) Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2018 12:57:53 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Resistor and capacitor installation techniques: trim before or after soldering? In-Reply-To: <45E448B85A8E441694BA479FAFEE2B0E@DOUG8PC> References: <006d01d3c44e$9e65c800$db315800$@yahoo.com> <45E448B85A8E441694BA479FAFEE2B0E@DOUG8PC> Message-ID: <022a01d3c45a$6a8c32b0$3fa49810$@verizon.net> Hi Jim, Doug is correct about military and space work. All parts are precut or have spacers installed prior to board mounting. Between flux, solder/flux and mechanical means the parts are held in place until the reflow oven. For some programs, boards are not allowed to be reworked. Some programs allow rework. There is a very detailed procedure for reworking a board - MIL-PRF-38535 and MIL-STD-883. But, our applications and most commercial applications do not see the stress, temperature range or vibration that some of these mil and space boards see. So, for most of us bending the leads to hold the part, solder and cut is fine. You can re-solder after cutting to be sure. Years ago at a NASA meeting, they were told you do not need a tool meeting MIL-STD and MIL-PRF to make a board that meets those specs. So, have the right solder and right temp on the soldering tool and the right tip and make a nice flowing shiny solder connection. By the way, military space solder is not RoHS compliant. There will be lead in the solder. 73, N2TK, Tony -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Doug Renwick Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2018 12:05 PM To: 'James F. Boehner MD' ; 'JEROME SODUS' ; Elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Resistor and capacitor installation techniques: trim before or after soldering? Heathkit recommended the "bad practice" saying "solder the leads to the foil and cut off the excess lead lengths". Reprimanding a technician for doing this is insane. Doug "Political correctness is a weapon used to silence people who tell the truth" - Ayaan Hirsi Ali -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of James F. Boehner MD via Elecraft Sent: March-25-18 9:33 AM To: 'JEROME SODUS'; elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] Resistor and capacitor installation techniques: trimbefore or after soldering? Jerome, Now this is interesting. This is totally opposite of the way most of us were taught to solder. Among the kits I used to put together were Heathkit and Ramsey, both of whom recommended securing the parts in place by spreading the leads, soldering, and then cutting the wires close to the solder blob, checking for shorts. I assume that goes for Elecraft also, but I have not built any of their radios as kits, so not sure. So how did NASA handle the potential difficulties? Did they have precut parts? Did the tech have to place the part in the board and cut the leads first? If the part was loose, how was it held close to the board, owing to the fact that holding the solder and the iron took two hands? What if the lead length was overestimated and potentially could cause a short? Could the wire be cut and the joint reheated, or did the part have to be removed, recut and reinserted? Just trying to picture the operation. '73 de JIM N2ZZ -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of JEROME SODUS Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2018 11:40 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Resistor and capacitor installation techniques: trim before or after soldering? About Message#15 copied below.... Sorry but cutting wires after soldering is "bad practice"; NASA wanted the soldered connection left undisturbed. If I ever saw an assembler or tech doing that "bad practice", they'd get a verbal warning that first time and a written warning if it ever happened again; but I had good, conscientious people and never had to do that. So, tin the wires if needed; position the part and then trim wires before doing the final soldering. 73 Jerry KM3K Message: 15 Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2018 19:39:47 +0000 From: Bill Johnson To: "kstover at ac0h.net" , 'Mark Petrovic' , "Elecraft at mailman.qth.net" Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Resistor and capacitor installation techniques: trim before or after soldering? Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Follow the instructions and solder as directed. There are components on both sides as I recall with the majority on the top. The leads need be spread to hold the components in place on the board. Once done soldering use a flush cut wirecutter to remove the excess. Not a good idea to trim them before soldering. 72 & 73, Bill K9YEQ FT'er for K2, KX1, KX3, KXPA100, KAT500, W2, etc. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to jboehner01 at yahoo.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ve5ra at sasktel.net --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to tony.kaz at verizon.net From jwebsterlsu at gmail.com Sun Mar 25 13:18:43 2018 From: jwebsterlsu at gmail.com (John W Webster) Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2018 10:18:43 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft SSB Net Message-ID: <30D7BBD2-7F5A-4DCA-8EF4-3C6BB1F98043@gmail.com> Please consider joining the weekly Elecraft SSB Net on Sundays at 18:00z (UTC). Frequency is 14.303.5 in the 20m band. Despite the contest today, we will try to run the net. Eric, WB9JNZ, the regular net control station sent the following list from last week: Elecraft SSB Net 3-18-2018 WB9JNZ Eric IL K3 4017 Net Control KJ4ZSI Bud FL K3 4703 AE6JV Bill CA K2 6299 K7JG John WA KX3 3519 W7REK Glenn AZ K3 2843 WM5F Dwight ID KX3 8043 NS7P Phil OR K3 1826 W0CZ Ken ND K3S 11063 K7BRR Bill AZ K3S 10939 W0CZ Ken ND K3S 11063 NC0JW Jim Co KX3 1356 KE7HGE Ken WA KX3 4540 QRP KL7BR Rick ID KX3 3160 73 John, N6JW From m.matthew.george at gmail.com Sun Mar 25 13:25:32 2018 From: m.matthew.george at gmail.com (M. George) Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2018 11:25:32 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] NG7M / 2 Videos on FSK RTTY timings generated with EXTFSK/64 on new and older PC's via USB FTDI Com Ports Message-ID: Joe, your 2010 data (which you haven't looked up and provided, but I assume exists? from 8 years ago) isn't a good comparison to changes at the OS, CPU / hardware level between 2010 and 2018. You are very good at telling everyone the way things are, but not very good at showing folks the way things are / work with actual experiments and data / video. This exercise isn't productive until you actually watch all of my content and start reproducing my results on a scope etc... If you are not willing to do that in 2018 with your own equipment and continue to rely on microHam's numbers from 2010... (or someone else's data) There is no point to the discussion. A lot has changed since 2010. Plus I made it crystal clear in my video that my main computer setup is much faster than most other Ham shack computers at the moment (2018). You act like I expected everyone to have the same setup... which clearly shows that you cherry picked sections out of the video to confirm your preconceived conclusions before every clicking on the video links. You insist on leaving out all the detail provided in the Video, because it can't be conveyed via a few paragraphs of text in an email. As usual, (which is well known), you will get the last word in... Until you produce something new for 2018, a response from myself isn't productive at all. And will not take place. For now I'll let my video speak to the experiment and 2018 current state of what I recorded. As I do other tests and present other findings, I will be willing to change my understanding/conjecture/opinion based on data collected and presented. In the 2017 CQWWRTTY contest (using a 5 year old Ivy Bridge i7 Intel cpu) with my K3S / internal FSK keyed by the same FTDI serial interface in my video presented this last week, I'm shocked I was able to work 1285 QSO's and 184 band countries. My FSK generated signal on the other end of the QSO's must have been horrible with this setup (jitter all over the place I'm sure). Band QSOs Pts ZN Cty SP Pt/Q 3.5 62 74 8 6 30 1.2 7 338 599 27 58 50 1.8 14 689 1519 31 84 50 2.2 21 194 370 23 34 37 1.9 28 2 4 2 2 1 2.0 Total 1285 2566 91 184 168 2.0 Score : 1,136,738 I look forward to your updated data and visuals / video using data gathered from 2018. That will be very interesting indeed. 73 de Max NG7M >W4TV: ?Unfortunately, your first video is completely unrealistic as the vast majority of amateurs uses computers significantly less powerful than your lightly loaded (less than 40% CPU utilization by your own video) six core, 3+ GHz CPU with the EXTFSK port on a dedicated motherboard USB port with no loading from multiple (high priority) sound cards (they are on a different USB Root Hub) and no contest level cluster spots. >From my customer support support experience, the typical amateur station is a 2-2.4 GHz Core2Duo (two cores, 4 execution units) with 1 GB RAM and all USB ports (typically 4) served by a single USB Root Hub. The system typically runs a logging program that polls one or two transceivers for eight parameters every 50 to 100 msec along with one or two 96 or 192 KHz sample rate USB sound cards for a software panadapter (or equivalent USB I/Q SDR receivers) and another 16 bit, 48 KHz sample rate USB sound card for digital operation. In addition, those systems are connected to a DXCluster node with CW/RTTY Skimmer providing a net spot flow of > 100 spots per minute. I've provided jitter data as measured by microHAM in 2010 multiple times on the RTTY list ... and that data has been verified by JA7UDE (author of EXTFSK an ETFSK64) who also confirms the added jitter when the USB system (single USB Root Hub) is loaded with heavy data transfer. Oba's results have also been reported on the RTTY list and are available on his EXTFSK64 page. 73, ? -- M. George From tuner at zoominternet.net Sun Mar 25 13:45:18 2018 From: tuner at zoominternet.net (tuner at zoominternet.net) Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2018 13:45:18 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Elecraft] K2 building In-Reply-To: <1251560500.13638782.1521999639886.JavaMail.zimbra@zoominternet.net> Message-ID: <1164127572.13646569.1521999918853.JavaMail.zimbra@zoominternet.net> Building another K2 YEARS after my first (which I sold). I had forgotten how much work was involved! Having a good time though and taking my time. Nice to be soldering again even though my hands are not as steady and my eyes need magnifying glasses to see those small parts! Just finished the control and front panel boards. 73 all! Keith N8CEP From c-hawley at illinois.edu Sun Mar 25 13:59:17 2018 From: c-hawley at illinois.edu (hawley, charles j jr) Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2018 17:59:17 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] K2 building In-Reply-To: <1164127572.13646569.1521999918853.JavaMail.zimbra@zoominternet.net> References: <1251560500.13638782.1521999639886.JavaMail.zimbra@zoominternet.net>, <1164127572.13646569.1521999918853.JavaMail.zimbra@zoominternet.net> Message-ID: <276D3D6C9D5C8C4484211E9839FDE1AB49E6A003@CITESMBX5.ad.uillinois.edu> Sounds great! I've thought about doing that... Chuck Hawley c-hawley at illinois.edu Amateur Radio, KE9UW aka Jack, BMW Motorcycles ________________________________________ From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] on behalf of tuner at zoominternet.net [tuner at zoominternet.net] Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2018 12:45 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] K2 building Building another K2 YEARS after my first (which I sold). I had forgotten how much work was involved! Having a good time though and taking my time. Nice to be soldering again even though my hands are not as steady and my eyes need magnifying glasses to see those small parts! Just finished the control and front panel boards. 73 all! Keith N8CEP ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to c-hawley at illinois.edu From c-hawley at illinois.edu Sun Mar 25 14:05:07 2018 From: c-hawley at illinois.edu (hawley, charles j jr) Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2018 18:05:07 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Resistor and capacitor installation techniques: trim before or after soldering? In-Reply-To: <1089387922.556055.1521949219803@connect.xfinity.com> References: <1089387922.556055.1521949219803@connect.xfinity.com> Message-ID: <276D3D6C9D5C8C4484211E9839FDE1AB49E6A04B@CITESMBX5.ad.uillinois.edu> That's probably good advice from NASA. However in 50 years, I've never cracked a solder joint by trimming off the excess lead after soldering. I can see how it could be imagined to happen and safer for sure if you are not going to be able to fix it should it ever happen. Chuck Hawley c-hawley at illinois.edu Amateur Radio, KE9UW aka Jack, BMW Motorcycles ________________________________________ From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] on behalf of JEROME SODUS [jsodus at comcast.net] Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2018 10:40 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Resistor and capacitor installation techniques: trim before or after soldering? About Message#15 copied below.... Sorry but cutting wires after soldering is "bad practice"; NASA wanted the soldered connection left undisturbed. If I ever saw an assembler or tech doing that "bad practice", they'd get a verbal warning that first time and a written warning if it ever happened again; but I had good, conscientious people and never had to do that. So, tin the wires if needed; position the part and then trim wires before doing the final soldering. 73 Jerry KM3K Message: 15 Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2018 19:39:47 +0000 From: Bill Johnson To: "kstover at ac0h.net" , 'Mark Petrovic' , "Elecraft at mailman.qth.net" Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Resistor and capacitor installation techniques: trim before or after soldering? Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Follow the instructions and solder as directed. There are components on both sides as I recall with the majority on the top. The leads need be spread to hold the components in place on the board. Once done soldering use a flush cut wirecutter to remove the excess. Not a good idea to trim them before soldering. 72 & 73, Bill K9YEQ FT'er for K2, KX1, KX3, KXPA100, KAT500, W2, etc. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to c-hawley at illinois.edu From jboehner01 at yahoo.com Sun Mar 25 14:09:45 2018 From: jboehner01 at yahoo.com (James F. Boehner MD) Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2018 14:09:45 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Resistor and capacitor installation techniques: trim before or after soldering? Message-ID: <000601d3c464$7535a520$5fa0ef60$@yahoo.com> Tony, Thanks for the very detailed explanation. I know we are stressing the moderators with these somewhat OT postings, but I have learned something today. Your note about lead in solder is very apropos. I know that NASA is not wanting to have solder "whiskers" in any of their critical space equipment: https://nepp.nasa.gov/Whisker/background/index.htm I usually hunt down tin/lead solder at Hamfests. When I'm asked why I'm risking lead exposure when soldering, I quote a line from one of our former Presidents: "I don't inhale"! Thanks for the great discussion! '73 de JIM N2ZZ -----Original Message----- From: N2TK, Tony [mailto:tony.kaz at verizon.net] Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2018 12:58 PM To: 'Doug Renwick'; 'James F. Boehner MD'; 'JEROME SODUS'; Elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: RE: [Elecraft] Resistor and capacitor installation techniques: trim before or after soldering? Hi Jim, Doug is correct about military and space work. All parts are precut or have spacers installed prior to board mounting. Between flux, solder/flux and mechanical means the parts are held in place until the reflow oven. For some programs, boards are not allowed to be reworked. Some programs allow rework. There is a very detailed procedure for reworking a board - MIL-PRF-38535 and MIL-STD-883. But, our applications and most commercial applications do not see the stress, temperature range or vibration that some of these mil and space boards see. So, for most of us bending the leads to hold the part, solder and cut is fine. You can re-solder after cutting to be sure. Years ago at a NASA meeting, they were told you do not need a tool meeting MIL-STD and MIL-PRF to make a board that meets those specs. So, have the right solder and right temp on the soldering tool and the right tip and make a nice flowing shiny solder connection. By the way, military space solder is not RoHS compliant. There will be lead in the solder. 73, N2TK, Tony -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Doug Renwick Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2018 12:05 PM To: 'James F. Boehner MD' ; 'JEROME SODUS' ; Elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Resistor and capacitor installation techniques: trim before or after soldering? Heathkit recommended the "bad practice" saying "solder the leads to the foil and cut off the excess lead lengths". Reprimanding a technician for doing this is insane. Doug "Political correctness is a weapon used to silence people who tell the truth" - Ayaan Hirsi Ali -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of James F. Boehner MD via Elecraft Sent: March-25-18 9:33 AM To: 'JEROME SODUS'; elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] Resistor and capacitor installation techniques: trimbefore or after soldering? Jerome, Now this is interesting. This is totally opposite of the way most of us were taught to solder. Among the kits I used to put together were Heathkit and Ramsey, both of whom recommended securing the parts in place by spreading the leads, soldering, and then cutting the wires close to the solder blob, checking for shorts. I assume that goes for Elecraft also, but I have not built any of their radios as kits, so not sure. So how did NASA handle the potential difficulties? Did they have precut parts? Did the tech have to place the part in the board and cut the leads first? If the part was loose, how was it held close to the board, owing to the fact that holding the solder and the iron took two hands? What if the lead length was overestimated and potentially could cause a short? Could the wire be cut and the joint reheated, or did the part have to be removed, recut and reinserted? Just trying to picture the operation. '73 de JIM N2ZZ -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of JEROME SODUS Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2018 11:40 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Resistor and capacitor installation techniques: trim before or after soldering? About Message#15 copied below.... Sorry but cutting wires after soldering is "bad practice"; NASA wanted the soldered connection left undisturbed. If I ever saw an assembler or tech doing that "bad practice", they'd get a verbal warning that first time and a written warning if it ever happened again; but I had good, conscientious people and never had to do that. So, tin the wires if needed; position the part and then trim wires before doing the final soldering. 73 Jerry KM3K Message: 15 Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2018 19:39:47 +0000 From: Bill Johnson To: "kstover at ac0h.net" , 'Mark Petrovic' , "Elecraft at mailman.qth.net" Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Resistor and capacitor installation techniques: trim before or after soldering? Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Follow the instructions and solder as directed. There are components on both sides as I recall with the majority on the top. The leads need be spread to hold the components in place on the board. Once done soldering use a flush cut wirecutter to remove the excess. Not a good idea to trim them before soldering. 72 & 73, Bill K9YEQ FT'er for K2, KX1, KX3, KXPA100, KAT500, W2, etc. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to jboehner01 at yahoo.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ve5ra at sasktel.net --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to tony.kaz at verizon.net From pd7rb.rb at gmail.com Sun Mar 25 14:18:36 2018 From: pd7rb.rb at gmail.com (Robert) Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2018 20:18:36 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] No audio Message-ID: Hi, Since a few days I have a problem with the audio of my K3. All normal settings are oke, but still no audio, even not with a hand microphone. TX is working normal. = Mic sel : FP.H - high = Mic level : 20 = CMP level : 20 I have been searching the reflector to find if someone had this problem before also, but so far not found. The problem seem to be started, after I installed the subreceiver. CW and RTTY tone are oke. PD7RB Robert From xdavid at cis-broadband.com Sun Mar 25 14:33:47 2018 From: xdavid at cis-broadband.com (David Gilbert) Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2018 11:33:47 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Resistor and capacitor installation techniques: trim before or after soldering? In-Reply-To: <96085010-94ae-9089-1873-a4c1d4d920f3@embarqmail.com> References: <006d01d3c44e$9e65c800$db315800$@yahoo.com> <96085010-94ae-9089-1873-a4c1d4d920f3@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <1860510a-0689-b8d5-12be-e6405b95f4a1@cis-broadband.com> I've soldered a LOT of components to circuit boards and I've always cut the leads prior to soldering. I insert the component and flip the board over to see which direction the runs go from the lead.? I bend the lead in the direction of the run, which serves the purpose of holding the component in place while I insert more components and do the same to them.? Once I have several components installed I trim all the leads and solder them. For me, this serves more than one purpose. 1.? It holds the part securely in place prior to soldering. 2.? The wire is pressed against the inside edge of the pad, which facilitates solder flow at the connection. 3.? I can get the tip of the soldering iron closer to the joint between the lead and the pad by putting it opposite the direction the lead was bent. 4.? It results in a MUCH lower profile on the back side of the board ... which means less chance of something shorting in tight spaces. 5.? I can more easily determine a bad solder joint.? If the solder doesn't wick along the run under the wire I know it didn't take. It's easy to end up with rosin between the joint without noticing it when the wire goes straight up. The only downside I've ever had is like the other guy said ... it's a total PITA to replace a component that has been soldered like that. Dave?? AB7E On 3/25/2018 9:18 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > I agree, the stated NASA "method" does amaze me. > First, the K2 is not likely to go a space journey. > > Components with pre-cut leads may require 3 hands.? One to hold the > component, one to hold the soldering iron and another to hold the solder. > I would assume that NASA directive was for wave-soldering boards and > does not apply to hand soldering. > > I personally have a guideline which says "do not ever trim an > unsoldered lead" - watch as you trim and go back and solder it. > > Of course, I am one who inserts multiple components before soldering. > > I have never seen a failed solder connection in my work nor had any > reports of solder joint failure from those I have built the K2, K1, > KX1 or XVseries transverters. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > > On 3/25/2018 11:33 AM, James F. Boehner MD via Elecraft wrote: >> Jerome, >> >> Now this is interesting.? This is totally opposite of the way most of us >> were taught to solder.? Among the kits I used to put together were >> Heathkit >> and Ramsey, both of whom recommended securing the parts in place by >> spreading the leads, soldering, and then cutting the wires close to the >> solder blob, checking for shorts.? I assume that goes for Elecraft >> also, but >> I have not built any of their radios as kits, so not sure. >> >> So how did NASA handle the potential difficulties?? Did they have precut >> parts?? Did the tech have to place the part in the board and cut the >> leads >> first?? If the part was loose, how was it held close to the board, >> owing to >> the fact that holding the solder and the iron took two hands? What if >> the >> lead length was overestimated and potentially could cause a short?? >> Could >> the wire be cut and the joint reheated, or did the part have to be >> removed, >> recut and reinserted? >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to xdavid at cis-broadband.com > From lists at subich.com Sun Mar 25 15:15:53 2018 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2018 15:15:53 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] NG7M / 2 Videos on FSK RTTY timings generated with EXTFSK/64 on new and older PC's via USB FTDI Com Ports In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 3/25/2018 1:25 PM, M. George wrote: > Joe, your 2010 data (which you haven't looked up and provided, but I > assume exists? from 8 years ago) isn't a good comparison to changes > at the OS, CPU / hardware level between 2010 and 2018. You are very > good at telling everyone the way things are, but not very good at > showing folks the way things are / work with actual experiments and > data / video. 1) I don't need to "look up" that data ... it exists in the RTTY archives for those who haven't already seen it *and* participated in discussions of the issues with jitter when using software generated FSK. 2) The issue of jitter is just as important today as it was eight years ago as it causes the same loss of signal to noise ratio as Chen takes very great care to explain to you on the RTTY list. Even today the number/percentage of amateurs using liquid cooled, hex core 3 GHz i7 processors like you used for your first "demonstration" is exceedingly small. As I have told you multiple times, based on my support work the average amateur system is something like an 2.4 GHz Core2Duo with 1 - 4 GB of RAM and typically a single USB Root Hub to serve CAT, CW, FSK, digital sound card, *and* software panadapter. *NONE* of your demonstrations showed that level of system under *FULL* load. Your first demonstration may have been running rig control and software panadapter but it wasn't processing a cluster feed at contest rates (your panadapter was clearly visible with only one or two signals on the band) and your CPU did not exceed roughly 40% utilization. Your second demonstration did not include rig control, panadapter or cluster yet by, your own measurements, had more than 10% *per bit* jitter which is enough according to Chen to reduce SNR by several dB. > In the 2017 CQWWRTTY contest (using a 5 year old Ivy Bridge i7 Intel > cpu) with my K3S / internal FSK keyed by the same FTDI serial > interface in my video presented this last week, I'm shocked I was > able to work 1285 QSO's and 184 band countries. You're far enough out on the advanced end of the CPU curve that you can get away with software FSK and work plenty of strong stations. JA7UDE made jitter measurements with EXTFSK64 using an Ivy Bridge i7-3770 which showed 75 baud jitter at +/-40 uSec in a lightly loaded system, increasing to -67/+340 uSec when the USB system was loaded by data transfer. Oba also reported EXTFSK on that same lightly loaded system at +/- 50 uSec (similar to your lightly loaded liquid cooled system). Again, jitter is not a significant issue isn't with software FSK on high spec CPUs with light CPU loading and dedicated USB Root Hubs ... it is the +/- 4 msec jitter that is typical on slower, dual core systems, a single USB Root hub and heavy processor/USB loading. You do a disservice by insisting that jitter is not a problem because *it doesn't reach a critical level* on your high end computing platforms. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 3/25/2018 1:25 PM, M. George wrote: > Joe, your 2010 data (which you haven't looked up and provided, but I assume > exists? from 8 years ago) isn't a good comparison to changes at the OS, CPU > / hardware level between 2010 and 2018. You are very good at telling > everyone the way things are, but not very good at showing folks the way > things are / work with actual experiments and data / video. > > This exercise isn't productive until you actually watch all of my content > and start reproducing my results on a scope etc... If you are not willing > to do that in 2018 with your own equipment and continue to rely on > microHam's numbers from 2010... (or someone else's data) There is no point > to the discussion. A lot has changed since 2010. Plus I made it crystal > clear in my video that my main computer setup is much faster than most > other Ham shack computers at the moment (2018). You act like I expected > everyone to have the same setup... which clearly shows that you cherry > picked sections out of the video to confirm your preconceived conclusions > before every clicking on the video links. You insist on leaving out all > the detail provided in the Video, because it can't be conveyed via a few > paragraphs of text in an email. > > As usual, (which is well known), you will get the last word in... Until you > produce something new for 2018, a response from myself isn't productive at > all. And will not take place. For now I'll let my video speak to the > experiment and 2018 current state of what I recorded. As I do other tests > and present other findings, I will be willing to change my > understanding/conjecture/opinion based on data collected and presented. > > In the 2017 CQWWRTTY contest (using a 5 year old Ivy Bridge i7 Intel cpu) > with my K3S / internal FSK keyed by the same FTDI serial interface in my > video presented this last week, I'm shocked I was able to work 1285 QSO's > and 184 band countries. My FSK generated signal on the other end of the > QSO's must have been horrible with this setup (jitter all over the place > I'm sure). > > Band QSOs Pts ZN Cty SP Pt/Q > 3.5 62 74 8 6 30 1.2 > 7 338 599 27 58 50 1.8 > 14 689 1519 31 84 50 2.2 > 21 194 370 23 34 37 1.9 > 28 2 4 2 2 1 2.0 > Total 1285 2566 91 184 168 2.0 > > Score : 1,136,738 > > I look forward to your updated data and visuals / video using data gathered > from 2018. That will be very interesting indeed. > > 73 de Max NG7M > > >> W4TV: > ?Unfortunately, your first video is completely unrealistic as the vast > majority of amateurs uses computers significantly less powerful than > your lightly loaded (less than 40% CPU utilization by your own video) > six core, 3+ GHz CPU with the EXTFSK port on a dedicated motherboard > USB port with no loading from multiple (high priority) sound cards > (they are on a different USB Root Hub) and no contest level cluster > spots. > > From my customer support support experience, the typical amateur station > is a 2-2.4 GHz Core2Duo (two cores, 4 execution units) with 1 GB RAM and > all USB ports (typically 4) served by a single USB Root Hub. The system > typically runs a logging program that polls one or two transceivers for > eight parameters every 50 to 100 msec along with one or two 96 or 192 > KHz sample rate USB sound cards for a software panadapter (or > equivalent USB I/Q SDR receivers) and another 16 bit, 48 KHz sample > rate USB sound card for digital operation. In addition, those systems > are connected to a DXCluster node with CW/RTTY Skimmer providing a > net spot flow of > 100 spots per minute. > > I've provided jitter data as measured by microHAM in 2010 multiple times > on the RTTY list ... and that data has been verified by JA7UDE (author > of EXTFSK an ETFSK64) who also confirms the added jitter when the USB > system (single USB Root Hub) is loaded with heavy data transfer. Oba's > results have also been reported on the RTTY list and are available on > his EXTFSK64 page. > > 73, > ? > From n6kr at elecraft.com Sun Mar 25 16:33:56 2018 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2018 13:33:56 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Seeking collaborator on 20 m, 5 dBi, 9 foot radius, 2 pound antenna system Message-ID: If like me you?ve spent too much time thinking about this subject already, *and* you?re a whiz with Mini-NEC, please contact me off-list. Wayne N6KR ---- http://www.elecraft.c From wa6nhc at gmail.com Sun Mar 25 16:37:15 2018 From: wa6nhc at gmail.com (Rick WA6NHC) Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2018 13:37:15 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] NG7M / 2 Videos on FSK RTTY timings generated with EXTFSK/64 on new and older PC's via USB FTDI Com Ports In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0ecad4df-efb5-1c91-6603-e71d2bef66ae@gmail.com> On 3/25/2018 12:15 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: > > Even today the number/percentage of amateurs using liquid cooled, hex > core 3 GHz i7 > processors like you used for your first "demonstration" is exceedingly > small.? As I have told you multiple times, based on my support work > the average amateur system is something like an 2.4 GHz Core2Duo with > 1 - 4 GB of RAM and typically a single USB Root Hub to serve CAT, CW, > FSK, digital sound card, *and* software panadapter. > > *NONE* of your demonstrations showed that level of system under *FULL* > load.? Your first demonstration may have been running rig control and > software panadapter but it wasn't processing a cluster feed at contest > rates (your panadapter was clearly visible with only one or two signals > on the band) and your CPU did not exceed roughly 40% utilization. Your > second demonstration did not include rig control, panadapter or cluster > yet by, your own measurements, had more than 10% *per bit* jitter which > is enough according to Chen to reduce SNR by several dB. Joe, I suspect you're selling the ham community short.? While 'thrifty' (ok, most hams are just plain cheap but it IS a hobby in a world of life issues) there is a LOT of computing power available in the used market.? One can pick up an I-5/6/7 for a pittance and memory is dirt cheap. I guess I'm on the bleeding edge for once.? A couple years ago I assembled a system specifically FOR the station; it's wasn't free but it also didn't break the bank.? It's a 4 GHz (slightly overclocked to 4.3 GHz and air cooled) I-7 with 32 GB of ram and the C: drive is a 520 GB SSD M3 chip mounted on the mboard (multiple data paths). NOTHING slows it down (although Windows tries), as intended.? I've only found one ham program that actually causes load levels to rise but it's short duration and never maxed out.? It wasn't a repurposed system, it was created to last a long time.? Not even Photoshop causes a stutter (and that is a demanding suite of software). It also captures weather data, produces a live wx web page, collects images from 4 critters cams and puts that on another live video web page, along with the usual mundane tasks like email and browsing. (What I DO need is fast Internet but I didn't move to North Idaho for the Internet ;-) ) I use 'real' serial ports, not USB for station control and FSK data.? It's all in the details.? I've had poor performance from USB not from path overload but because it's sensitive to RFI at the worst moments; serial is more bullet proof. So I agree Joe, as often as you're spot on, that your data may be a bit dated on this topic.? I'm positive I'm not the only one using more than a dual core CPU in the station as most of the software these days (if not the OS) requires better performance.? A dual core for ham stations these days is self-flagellation.? My only use for one is to play music into the home theater, Skype with the family gathered or stream web based video on the large flat screen.? Every tool has a use but the days of dual core for stations are long over. Jitter is a documentable problem, it exists for a variety of reasons (not always the path used to transfer data), some of which are not resolvable unless taken to extreme measures.? In severe cases, a move to AFSK is an acceptable alternative and easily managed. Let's move on and end this thread please. Rick nhc From tony.kaz at verizon.net Sun Mar 25 17:05:40 2018 From: tony.kaz at verizon.net (N2TK, Tony) Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2018 17:05:40 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Resistor and capacitor installation techniques: trim before or after soldering? In-Reply-To: <000601d3c464$7535a520$5fa0ef60$@yahoo.com> References: <000601d3c464$7535a520$5fa0ef60$@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002a01d3c47d$07e76e40$17b64ac0$@verizon.net> Jim, There is actually a way to have your cake and eat it too. Supply the surface mount parts or parts with leads with gold solder pads or leads. Most space parts come this way anyways. These meet RoHS. Prior to mounting on the boards use hot solder pot with SnPb solder to displace the gold (usually a two pot process). But this causes its own set of problems. Many space parts suppliers now offer a hot solder dip service with SnPb (Tin/Lead) solder. Usually the only place RoHS is mentioned is with Europe. But the space community gets a dispensation in regards to using lead solder (SnPb). No one wants to take a chance with whiskers in space. And it is amazing how fast they can grow without an atmosphere. SnPb also now applies to most things that fly real high, not just satellites. It is common practice to use a clear conformal coating over the board. That slows down the whisker process somewhat, especially if you play with topology. Try repairing that board. Most satellites are designed for a 15 year lifetime. So whiskers are a big issue. There are exceptions to that with some of the latest commercial constellations. Microsats (10cm cube (1U) to several "U's") have a very short lifetime (hours to a couple months) usually don't worry about whiskers or radiation issues, so far. It is amazing how long a pound of good SnPb solder will last. It is a good investment. Sorry for all the bandwidth and straying. N2TK, Tony -----Original Message----- From: James F. Boehner MD [mailto:jboehner01 at yahoo.com] Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2018 2:10 PM To: 'N2TK, Tony' ; 'Doug Renwick' ; 'JEROME SODUS' ; Elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Resistor and capacitor installation techniques: trim before or after soldering? Tony, Thanks for the very detailed explanation. I know we are stressing the moderators with these somewhat OT postings, but I have learned something today. Your note about lead in solder is very apropos. I know that NASA is not wanting to have solder "whiskers" in any of their critical space equipment: https://nepp.nasa.gov/Whisker/background/index.htm I usually hunt down tin/lead solder at Hamfests. When I'm asked why I'm risking lead exposure when soldering, I quote a line from one of our former Presidents: "I don't inhale"! Thanks for the great discussion! '73 de JIM N2ZZ -----Original Message----- From: N2TK, Tony [mailto:tony.kaz at verizon.net] Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2018 12:58 PM To: 'Doug Renwick'; 'James F. Boehner MD'; 'JEROME SODUS'; Elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: RE: [Elecraft] Resistor and capacitor installation techniques: trim before or after soldering? Hi Jim, Doug is correct about military and space work. All parts are precut or have spacers installed prior to board mounting. Between flux, solder/flux and mechanical means the parts are held in place until the reflow oven. For some programs, boards are not allowed to be reworked. Some programs allow rework. There is a very detailed procedure for reworking a board - MIL-PRF-38535 and MIL-STD-883. But, our applications and most commercial applications do not see the stress, temperature range or vibration that some of these mil and space boards see. So, for most of us bending the leads to hold the part, solder and cut is fine. You can re-solder after cutting to be sure. Years ago at a NASA meeting, they were told you do not need a tool meeting MIL-STD and MIL-PRF to make a board that meets those specs. So, have the right solder and right temp on the soldering tool and the right tip and make a nice flowing shiny solder connection. By the way, military space solder is not RoHS compliant. There will be lead in the solder. 73, N2TK, Tony -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Doug Renwick Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2018 12:05 PM To: 'James F. Boehner MD' ; 'JEROME SODUS' ; Elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Resistor and capacitor installation techniques: trim before or after soldering? Heathkit recommended the "bad practice" saying "solder the leads to the foil and cut off the excess lead lengths". Reprimanding a technician for doing this is insane. Doug "Political correctness is a weapon used to silence people who tell the truth" - Ayaan Hirsi Ali -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of James F. Boehner MD via Elecraft Sent: March-25-18 9:33 AM To: 'JEROME SODUS'; elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] Resistor and capacitor installation techniques: trimbefore or after soldering? Jerome, Now this is interesting. This is totally opposite of the way most of us were taught to solder. Among the kits I used to put together were Heathkit and Ramsey, both of whom recommended securing the parts in place by spreading the leads, soldering, and then cutting the wires close to the solder blob, checking for shorts. I assume that goes for Elecraft also, but I have not built any of their radios as kits, so not sure. So how did NASA handle the potential difficulties? Did they have precut parts? Did the tech have to place the part in the board and cut the leads first? If the part was loose, how was it held close to the board, owing to the fact that holding the solder and the iron took two hands? What if the lead length was overestimated and potentially could cause a short? Could the wire be cut and the joint reheated, or did the part have to be removed, recut and reinserted? Just trying to picture the operation. '73 de JIM N2ZZ -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of JEROME SODUS Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2018 11:40 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Resistor and capacitor installation techniques: trim before or after soldering? About Message#15 copied below.... Sorry but cutting wires after soldering is "bad practice"; NASA wanted the soldered connection left undisturbed. If I ever saw an assembler or tech doing that "bad practice", they'd get a verbal warning that first time and a written warning if it ever happened again; but I had good, conscientious people and never had to do that. So, tin the wires if needed; position the part and then trim wires before doing the final soldering. 73 Jerry KM3K Message: 15 Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2018 19:39:47 +0000 From: Bill Johnson To: "kstover at ac0h.net" , 'Mark Petrovic' , "Elecraft at mailman.qth.net" Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Resistor and capacitor installation techniques: trim before or after soldering? Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Follow the instructions and solder as directed. There are components on both sides as I recall with the majority on the top. The leads need be spread to hold the components in place on the board. Once done soldering use a flush cut wirecutter to remove the excess. Not a good idea to trim them before soldering. 72 & 73, Bill K9YEQ FT'er for K2, KX1, KX3, KXPA100, KAT500, W2, etc. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to jboehner01 at yahoo.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ve5ra at sasktel.net --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to tony.kaz at verizon.net From nr4c at widomaker.com Sun Mar 25 17:07:42 2018 From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c) Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2018 17:07:42 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Resistor and capacitor installation techniques: trim before or after soldering? In-Reply-To: <276D3D6C9D5C8C4484211E9839FDE1AB49E6A04B@CITESMBX5.ad.uillinois.edu> References: <1089387922.556055.1521949219803@connect.xfinity.com> <276D3D6C9D5C8C4484211E9839FDE1AB49E6A04B@CITESMBX5.ad.uillinois.edu> Message-ID: <37D83567-CA60-4CF2-AA37-DE547796C685@widomaker.com> And trimming before soldering allows the exposed copper ?end? of the lead to be coated with solder thus eliminating corrosion to the bare copper. Sent from my iPhone ...nr4c. bill > On Mar 25, 2018, at 2:05 PM, hawley, charles j jr wrote: > > That's probably good advice from NASA. However in 50 years, I've never cracked a solder joint by trimming off the excess lead after soldering. I can see how it could be imagined to happen and safer for sure if you are not going to be able to fix it should it ever happen. > > Chuck Hawley > c-hawley at illinois.edu > > Amateur Radio, KE9UW > aka Jack, BMW Motorcycles > ________________________________________ > From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] on behalf of JEROME SODUS [jsodus at comcast.net] > Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2018 10:40 PM > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Resistor and capacitor installation techniques: trim before or after soldering? > > About Message#15 copied below.... > > Sorry but cutting wires after soldering is "bad practice"; NASA wanted the soldered connection left undisturbed. > > If I ever saw an assembler or tech doing that "bad practice", they'd get a verbal warning that first time and a written warning if it ever happened again; but I had good, conscientious people and never had to do that. > > So, tin the wires if needed; position the part and then trim wires before doing the final soldering. > > 73 Jerry KM3K > > > > Message: 15 > Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2018 19:39:47 +0000 > From: Bill Johnson > To: "kstover at ac0h.net" , 'Mark Petrovic' > , "Elecraft at mailman.qth.net" > > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Resistor and capacitor installation > techniques: trim before or after soldering? > Message-ID: > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Follow the instructions and solder as directed. There are components on both sides as I recall with the majority on the top. The leads need be spread to hold the components in place on the board. Once done soldering use a flush cut wirecutter to remove the excess. Not a good idea to trim them before soldering. > From nr4c at widomaker.com Sun Mar 25 17:10:15 2018 From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c) Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2018 17:10:15 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] No audio In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Mic bias??? Did you plug in the SPEAKER????? Sent from my iPhone ...nr4c. bill > On Mar 25, 2018, at 2:18 PM, Robert wrote: > > Hi, > > Since a few days I have a problem with the audio of my K3. > > All normal settings are oke, but still no audio, even not with a > hand microphone. > > TX is working normal. > > = Mic sel : FP.H - high > = Mic level : 20 > = CMP level : 20 > > I have been searching the reflector to find if someone had this > problem before also, but so far not found. > > The problem seem to be started, after I installed the subreceiver. > > CW and RTTY tone are oke. > > PD7RB Robert > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to nr4c at widomaker.com From k9yeq at live.com Sun Mar 25 17:27:49 2018 From: k9yeq at live.com (Bill Johnson) Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2018 21:27:49 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Resistor and capacitor installation techniques: trim before or after soldering? In-Reply-To: <37D83567-CA60-4CF2-AA37-DE547796C685@widomaker.com> References: <1089387922.556055.1521949219803@connect.xfinity.com> <276D3D6C9D5C8C4484211E9839FDE1AB49E6A04B@CITESMBX5.ad.uillinois.edu> <37D83567-CA60-4CF2-AA37-DE547796C685@widomaker.com> Message-ID: I populate, solder, cut, re-solder. 72 & 73, Bill K9YEQ FT?er for K2, KX1, KX3, KXPA100, KAT500, W2, etc. -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of Nr4c Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2018 4:08 PM To: hawley, charles j jr Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net; JEROME SODUS Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Resistor and capacitor installation techniques: trim before or after soldering? And trimming before soldering allows the exposed copper ?end? of the lead to be coated with solder thus eliminating corrosion to the bare copper. Sent from my iPhone ...nr4c. bill > On Mar 25, 2018, at 2:05 PM, hawley, charles j jr wrote: > > That's probably good advice from NASA. However in 50 years, I've never cracked a solder joint by trimming off the excess lead after soldering. I can see how it could be imagined to happen and safer for sure if you are not going to be able to fix it should it ever happen. > > Chuck Hawley > c-hawley at illinois.edu > > Amateur Radio, KE9UW > aka Jack, BMW Motorcycles > ________________________________________ > From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net > [elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] on behalf of JEROME SODUS > [jsodus at comcast.net] > Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2018 10:40 PM > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Resistor and capacitor installation techniques: trim before or after soldering? > > About Message#15 copied below.... > > Sorry but cutting wires after soldering is "bad practice"; NASA wanted the soldered connection left undisturbed. > > If I ever saw an assembler or tech doing that "bad practice", they'd get a verbal warning that first time and a written warning if it ever happened again; but I had good, conscientious people and never had to do that. > > So, tin the wires if needed; position the part and then trim wires before doing the final soldering. > > 73 Jerry KM3K > > > > Message: 15 > Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2018 19:39:47 +0000 > From: Bill Johnson > To: "kstover at ac0h.net" , 'Mark Petrovic' > , "Elecraft at mailman.qth.net" > > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Resistor and capacitor installation > techniques: trim before or after soldering? > Message-ID: > LOOK.COM> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Follow the instructions and solder as directed. There are components on both sides as I recall with the majority on the top. The leads need be spread to hold the components in place on the board. Once done soldering use a flush cut wirecutter to remove the excess. Not a good idea to trim them before soldering. > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to k9yeq at live.com From farrerfolks at yahoo.com Sun Mar 25 17:34:30 2018 From: farrerfolks at yahoo.com (Mel Farrer) Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2018 21:34:30 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] Resistor and capacitor installation techniques: trim before or after soldering? In-Reply-To: References: <1089387922.556055.1521949219803@connect.xfinity.com> <276D3D6C9D5C8C4484211E9839FDE1AB49E6A04B@CITESMBX5.ad.uillinois.edu> <37D83567-CA60-4CF2-AA37-DE547796C685@widomaker.com> Message-ID: <562893641.4898881.1522013670984@mail.yahoo.com> I do also carefully reflow......? Don't what any popping loose.? Usually with a finger on the part.? Wrist strap on of course..... Mel, K6KBE From: Bill Johnson To: Cc: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2018 2:31 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Resistor and capacitor installation techniques: trim before or after soldering? I populate, solder, cut, re-solder.? 72 & 73, Bill K9YEQ FT?er for K2, KX1, KX3, KXPA100,? KAT500, W2, etc. -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of Nr4c Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2018 4:08 PM To: hawley, charles j jr Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net; JEROME SODUS Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Resistor and capacitor installation techniques: trim before or after soldering? And trimming before soldering allows the exposed copper ?end? of the lead to be coated with solder thus eliminating corrosion to the bare copper. Sent from my iPhone ...nr4c. bill > On Mar 25, 2018, at 2:05 PM, hawley, charles j jr wrote: > > That's probably good advice from NASA. However in 50 years, I've never cracked a solder joint by trimming off the excess lead after soldering. I can see how it could be imagined to happen and safer for sure if you are not going to be able to fix it should it ever happen. > > Chuck Hawley > c-hawley at illinois.edu > > Amateur Radio, KE9UW > aka Jack, BMW Motorcycles > ________________________________________ > From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net > [elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] on behalf of JEROME SODUS > [jsodus at comcast.net] > Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2018 10:40 PM > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Resistor and capacitor installation techniques: trim before or after soldering? > > About Message#15 copied below.... > > Sorry but cutting wires after soldering is "bad practice"; NASA wanted the soldered connection left undisturbed. > > If I ever saw an assembler or tech doing that "bad practice", they'd get a verbal warning that first time and a written warning if it ever happened again; but I had good, conscientious people and never had to do that. > > So, tin the wires if needed; position the part and then trim wires before doing the final soldering. > > 73 Jerry KM3K > > > > Message: 15 > Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2018 19:39:47 +0000 > From: Bill Johnson > To: "kstover at ac0h.net" , 'Mark Petrovic' > , "Elecraft at mailman.qth.net" > > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Resistor and capacitor installation > techniques: trim before or after soldering? > Message-ID: > LOOK.COM> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Follow the instructions and solder as directed. There are components on both sides as I recall with the majority on the top. The leads need be spread to hold the components in place on the board. Once done soldering use a flush cut wirecutter to remove the excess. Not a good idea to trim them before soldering. > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to k9yeq at live.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to farrerfolks at yahoo.com From k9yeq at live.com Sun Mar 25 17:45:29 2018 From: k9yeq at live.com (Bill Johnson) Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2018 21:45:29 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Resistor and capacitor installation techniques: trim before or after soldering? In-Reply-To: <562893641.4898881.1522013670984@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1089387922.556055.1521949219803@connect.xfinity.com> <276D3D6C9D5C8C4484211E9839FDE1AB49E6A04B@CITESMBX5.ad.uillinois.edu> <37D83567-CA60-4CF2-AA37-DE547796C685@widomaker.com> <562893641.4898881.1522013670984@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I use a Hakko 936, wrist strap and 700 degrees F. Very small tip and Kester .015. I have used larger including a Radio shack el cheapo and much larger solder when I built my K2 #35 in Circa 1999. 72 & 73, Bill K9YEQ FT?er for K2, KX1, KX3, KXPA100, KAT500, W2, etc. From: Mel Farrer Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2018 4:35 PM To: Bill Johnson Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Resistor and capacitor installation techniques: trim before or after soldering? I do also carefully reflow...... Don't what any popping loose. Usually with a finger on the part. Wrist strap on of course..... Mel, K6KBE ________________________________ From: Bill Johnson > To: Cc: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" > Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2018 2:31 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Resistor and capacitor installation techniques: trim before or after soldering? I populate, solder, cut, re-solder. 72 & 73, Bill K9YEQ FT?er for K2, KX1, KX3, KXPA100, KAT500, W2, etc. -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net > On Behalf Of Nr4c Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2018 4:08 PM To: hawley, charles j jr > Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net; JEROME SODUS > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Resistor and capacitor installation techniques: trim before or after soldering? And trimming before soldering allows the exposed copper ?end? of the lead to be coated with solder thus eliminating corrosion to the bare copper. Sent from my iPhone ...nr4c. bill > On Mar 25, 2018, at 2:05 PM, hawley, charles j jr > wrote: > > That's probably good advice from NASA. However in 50 years, I've never cracked a solder joint by trimming off the excess lead after soldering. I can see how it could be imagined to happen and safer for sure if you are not going to be able to fix it should it ever happen. > > Chuck Hawley > c-hawley at illinois.edu > > Amateur Radio, KE9UW > aka Jack, BMW Motorcycles > ________________________________________ > From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net > [elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] on behalf of JEROME SODUS > [jsodus at comcast.net] > Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2018 10:40 PM > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Resistor and capacitor installation techniques: trim before or after soldering? > > About Message#15 copied below.... > > Sorry but cutting wires after soldering is "bad practice"; NASA wanted the soldered connection left undisturbed. > > If I ever saw an assembler or tech doing that "bad practice", they'd get a verbal warning that first time and a written warning if it ever happened again; but I had good, conscientious people and never had to do that. > > So, tin the wires if needed; position the part and then trim wires before doing the final soldering. > > 73 Jerry KM3K > > > > Message: 15 > Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2018 19:39:47 +0000 > From: Bill Johnson > > To: "kstover at ac0h.net" >, 'Mark Petrovic' > >, "Elecraft at mailman.qth.net" > > > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Resistor and capacitor installation > techniques: trim before or after soldering? > Message-ID: > > LOOK.COM> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Follow the instructions and solder as directed. There are components on both sides as I recall with the majority on the top. The leads need be spread to hold the components in place on the board. Once done soldering use a flush cut wirecutter to remove the excess. Not a good idea to trim them before soldering. > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to k9yeq at live.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to farrerfolks at yahoo.com From pincon at erols.com Sun Mar 25 17:54:11 2018 From: pincon at erols.com (Charlie T) Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2018 17:54:11 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Resistor and capacitor installation techniques: trim before or after soldering? In-Reply-To: References: <1089387922.556055.1521949219803@connect.xfinity.com> <276D3D6C9D5C8C4484211E9839FDE1AB49E6A04B@CITESMBX5.ad.uillinois.edu> <37D83567-CA60-4CF2-AA37-DE547796C685@widomaker.com> Message-ID: <005201d3c483$d1f87fc0$75e97f40$@erols.com> I only use "non-GMO enhanced" solder that is free-ranged. Also, only natural lead & pure tin mined by hand without polluting equipment is used with rosin (flux) from contented pine trees that have at least one wild endangered species bird nest in it. 73, Charlie k3ICH From marklgoldberg at gmail.com Sun Mar 25 18:19:35 2018 From: marklgoldberg at gmail.com (Mark Goldberg) Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2018 15:19:35 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Resistor and capacitor installation techniques: trim before or after soldering? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: For commercial products, there is IPC-610. That is 400+ pages of descriptions of how to determine acceptability of and build electronic assemblies. It has very clear explanations and lots of pictures and diagrams of right and wrong ways to do things. Unfortunately, you may have to pay to get a copy. There are also a whole series of more specific specification documents for certain operations, but IPC-610 will have most of what you need to know. At least, it is what I look at first. Section 7.3.5.9 allows trimming after soldering if the trimming does not damage the solder. For certain classes of products, a visual inspection at 10X is required. Reflowing after cutting is also acceptable instead of inspection. I believe there are special trimmers that minimize shock during the trimming process. I attempt to follow IPC-610, although my skills may not be fully up to the task. At least I know where I fall short. 73, Mark W7MLG On Sat, Mar 24, 2018 at 10:28 AM, Mark Petrovic wrote: > While reading through my new K2 kit's control board assembly instructions, > I see that some builders prefer to trim the resistor and capacitor leads > before soldering. I'm intrigued by this, and wonder if someone who uses > this technique can share their experiences. Do you the solder the component > from the top of the board or bottom? How do you keep the component in > place during soldering? I am assuming the value of this technique is in > the resulting lower profile of the components on the backside of the board. > > Thank you. > > Mark > AE6RT > > -- > Mark > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to marklgoldberg at gmail.com > From tony.kaz at verizon.net Sun Mar 25 18:22:50 2018 From: tony.kaz at verizon.net (N2TK, Tony) Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2018 18:22:50 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Resistor and capacitor installation techniques: trim before or after soldering? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <004701d3c487$cfe2c250$6fa846f0$@verizon.net> Mark, Does IPC-610 also cover automotive products? N2TK, Tony -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Mark Goldberg Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2018 6:20 PM To: Elecraft Mailing List Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Resistor and capacitor installation techniques: trim before or after soldering? For commercial products, there is IPC-610. That is 400+ pages of descriptions of how to determine acceptability of and build electronic assemblies. It has very clear explanations and lots of pictures and diagrams of right and wrong ways to do things. Unfortunately, you may have to pay to get a copy. There are also a whole series of more specific specification documents for certain operations, but IPC-610 will have most of what you need to know. At least, it is what I look at first. Section 7.3.5.9 allows trimming after soldering if the trimming does not damage the solder. For certain classes of products, a visual inspection at 10X is required. Reflowing after cutting is also acceptable instead of inspection. I believe there are special trimmers that minimize shock during the trimming process. I attempt to follow IPC-610, although my skills may not be fully up to the task. At least I know where I fall short. 73, Mark W7MLG On Sat, Mar 24, 2018 at 10:28 AM, Mark Petrovic wrote: > While reading through my new K2 kit's control board assembly > instructions, I see that some builders prefer to trim the resistor and > capacitor leads before soldering. I'm intrigued by this, and wonder > if someone who uses this technique can share their experiences. Do you > the solder the component from the top of the board or bottom? How do > you keep the component in place during soldering? I am assuming the > value of this technique is in the resulting lower profile of the components on the backside of the board. > > Thank you. > > Mark > AE6RT > > -- > Mark > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > marklgoldberg at gmail.com > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to tony.kaz at verizon.net From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Sun Mar 25 18:26:37 2018 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2018 15:26:37 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] NG7M / 2 Videos on FSK RTTY timings generated with EXTFSK/64 on new and older PC's via USB FTDI Com Ports In-Reply-To: <0ecad4df-efb5-1c91-6603-e71d2bef66ae@gmail.com> References: <0ecad4df-efb5-1c91-6603-e71d2bef66ae@gmail.com> Message-ID: On 3/25/2018 1:37 PM, Rick WA6NHC wrote: > Joe, I suspect you're selling the ham community short.? While > 'thrifty' (ok, most hams are just plain cheap but it IS a hobby in a > world of life issues) there is a LOT of computing power available in > the used market.? One can pick up an I-5/6/7 for a pittance and memory > is dirt cheap. Hi Rick, Since Joe is the guy who answers customer support calls for the line of products he distributes, I suspect that he may have a much more realistic read on the computer power used by hams and how "computer-savvy" we are. And I also suspect it's a fairly wide range in both. For years, I got away with 8-10 year old top-quality laptops (retired from my small consulting biz) in my ham station, and to run SO2R RTTY, I dedicated one to each radio. A few years ago, I bought a modern biz laptop with a fast i7, and ever since I've run both radios from it. I found that I DID need to add RAM to allow full bandwidth decodes of MSK144. 73, Jim K9YC From lists at subich.com Sun Mar 25 18:35:29 2018 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2018 18:35:29 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] NG7M / 2 Videos on FSK RTTY timings generated with EXTFSK/64 on new and older PC's via USB FTDI Com Ports In-Reply-To: <0ecad4df-efb5-1c91-6603-e71d2bef66ae@gmail.com> References: <0ecad4df-efb5-1c91-6603-e71d2bef66ae@gmail.com> Message-ID: On 3/25/2018 4:37 PM, Rick WA6NHC wrote: > So I agree Joe, as often as you're spot on, that your data may be a > bit dated on this topic. I'm positive I'm not the only one using more > than a dual core CPU in the station as most of the software these > days (if not the OS) requires better performance. A dual core for ham > stations these days is self-flagellation. Rick, A dual core system for amateur use may be self-flagellation but I receive customer support e-mail on a regular basis from users with that level of system or even Celeron and Atom based systems. The point is that those low end systems *are* in regular use and one can't make blanket statements that EXTFSK is no problem based on a few scope pictures made with a six core, 5 GHz clock CPU. > Jitter is a documentable problem, it exists for a variety of reasons > (not always the path used to transfer data), some of which are not > resolvable unless taken to extreme measures. In severe cases, a move > to AFSK is an acceptable alternative and easily managed. Yes, proper choice of environment (minimizing the number of processes) can make less capable CPUs usable. However, that generally means using AFSK instead of EXTFSK as well as being judicious with other issues (like software panadapters and limiting spot rates). 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 3/25/2018 4:37 PM, Rick WA6NHC wrote: > > > On 3/25/2018 12:15 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: >> >> Even today the number/percentage of amateurs using liquid cooled, hex >> core 3 GHz i7 >> processors like you used for your first "demonstration" is exceedingly >> small.? As I have told you multiple times, based on my support work >> the average amateur system is something like an 2.4 GHz Core2Duo with >> 1 - 4 GB of RAM and typically a single USB Root Hub to serve CAT, CW, >> FSK, digital sound card, *and* software panadapter. >> >> *NONE* of your demonstrations showed that level of system under *FULL* >> load.? Your first demonstration may have been running rig control and >> software panadapter but it wasn't processing a cluster feed at contest >> rates (your panadapter was clearly visible with only one or two signals >> on the band) and your CPU did not exceed roughly 40% utilization. Your >> second demonstration did not include rig control, panadapter or cluster >> yet by, your own measurements, had more than 10% *per bit* jitter which >> is enough according to Chen to reduce SNR by several dB. > > Joe, I suspect you're selling the ham community short.? While 'thrifty' > (ok, most hams are just plain cheap but it IS a hobby in a world of life > issues) there is a LOT of computing power available in the used market. > One can pick up an I-5/6/7 for a pittance and memory is dirt cheap. > > I guess I'm on the bleeding edge for once.? A couple years ago I > assembled a system specifically FOR the station; it's wasn't free but it > also didn't break the bank.? It's a 4 GHz (slightly overclocked to 4.3 > GHz and air cooled) I-7 with 32 GB of ram and the C: drive is a 520 GB > SSD M3 chip mounted on the mboard (multiple data paths). > > NOTHING slows it down (although Windows tries), as intended.? I've only > found one ham program that actually causes load levels to rise but it's > short duration and never maxed out.? It wasn't a repurposed system, it > was created to last a long time.? Not even Photoshop causes a stutter > (and that is a demanding suite of software). > > It also captures weather data, produces a live wx web page, collects > images from 4 critters cams and puts that on another live video web > page, along with the usual mundane tasks like email and browsing. (What > I DO need is fast Internet but I didn't move to North Idaho for the > Internet ;-) ) > > I use 'real' serial ports, not USB for station control and FSK data. > It's all in the details.? I've had poor performance from USB not from > path overload but because it's sensitive to RFI at the worst moments; > serial is more bullet proof. > > So I agree Joe, as often as you're spot on, that your data may be a bit > dated on this topic.? I'm positive I'm not the only one using more than > a dual core CPU in the station as most of the software these days (if > not the OS) requires better performance.? A dual core for ham stations > these days is self-flagellation.? My only use for one is to play music > into the home theater, Skype with the family gathered or stream web > based video on the large flat screen.? Every tool has a use but the days > of dual core for stations are long over. > > Jitter is a documentable problem, it exists for a variety of reasons > (not always the path used to transfer data), some of which are not > resolvable unless taken to extreme measures.? In severe cases, a move to > AFSK is an acceptable alternative and easily managed. > > Let's move on and end this thread please. > > Rick nhc > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to lists at subich.com From k6dgw at foothill.net Sun Mar 25 18:54:27 2018 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2018 15:54:27 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Announcement In-Reply-To: <388a6a24-9858-5e43-6c09-f3cbaa411b53@coho.net> References: <388a6a24-9858-5e43-6c09-f3cbaa411b53@coho.net> Message-ID: <2b9bc1b5-e1df-cfee-3a52-1879ffa8f5d5@foothill.net> Indeed.? Westbound out of Reno NV, the CA state line isn't very far.? Just before it is the Gold Ranch Casino, a last chance just in case you haven't paid all the NV taxes on out-of-staters.? It is where they close I-80 WB when the snow gets too heavy for the plows.? Many in-vehicle GPS navigation systems will whisper to you about a short cut that isn't ever closed.? It leads through the little hamlet of Verdi NV, and then meanders off to nowhere.? Periodically a string of vehicles will get stuck out in nowhere.? They warn about it on TV but who has TV in their truck? I'll see if I can hear you on 40 from home on my HOA-Stealth antenna. 73, Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW Sparks NV DM09dn Washoe County On 3/24/2018 8:20 PM, kevinr wrote: > Good Evening, > > There was a knock on my front door.? I looked out the window only to > find a Washington County Deputy Sheriff in a very dirty uniform.? I > opened the door and invited him in to wash up but he smiled ruefully > and refused. So I walked out on the deck and handed him my garden > hose.? As he washed off some of the mud and clay he started to > explain. ? He had been chasing some miscreant when they came up into > our labyrinth of dead end roads.? He told me he followed where his GPS > told him to go. I could not help but chuckle.? GPS can?t tell you > where to go, it can only tell you where you are.? A compass and an up > to date map are far more effective tools. > > Just by looking at him I could tell which road he had gotten stuck in > near my house.? The 4WD folks from the area love to go out in groups > and drive a certain road and get themselves mired up to their axles.? > They travel in groups so they can pull each other out. ? He agreed to > the location and asked me for help.? My F250 was in use and not > available.? So I called my neighbor.? A third generation native who > knows the elk by name.? I told him the story, he laughed, and said > give him ten minutes.? I relayed the information to the deputy and we > sat on the deck to wait. ? When my neighbor showed up I asked him to > help the deputy find his way around our mountain roads.? He was more > than willing to help.? The deputy came by a few days later in a much > cleaner uniform and thanked me.? He told me my neighbor took a few > hours and showed him which roads were passable and which were not.? > The moral of the story: don?t trust where your GPS tells you to go. > > Propagation has been approved by Wayne himself.? Cool.? The solar wind > does have something to do with it too.? There may be some hiss and > some odd whistling noises but that is part of the fun. > > Please join us tomorrow on: > > 14050 kHz at 2200z Sunday (3 PM PDT Sunday) > ? 7045 kHz at 0000z Monday (5 PM PDT Sunday) > > 73, > Kevin. KD5ONS > > _ > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k6dgw at foothill.net > > -- > This message has been scanned by E.F.A. Project and is believed to be > clean. > > From eric at elecraft.com Sun Mar 25 19:09:33 2018 From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft) Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2018 16:09:33 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] NG7M / 2 Videos on FSK RTTY timings generated with EXTFSK/64 on new and older PC's via USB FTDI Com Ports In-Reply-To: References: <0ecad4df-efb5-1c91-6603-e71d2bef66ae@gmail.com> Message-ID: Folks - let's end the thread now in the interest of reducing list email overload (and argument overload) for others. Please take the it off-list. 73, Eric Mooderator elecraft.com _..._ > On Mar 25, 2018, at 3:35 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: > > >> On 3/25/2018 4:37 PM, Rick WA6NHC wrote: >> >> So I agree Joe, as often as you're spot on, that your data may be a >> bit dated on this topic. I'm positive I'm not the only one using more >> than a dual core CPU in the station as most of the software these >> days (if not the OS) requires better performance. A dual core for ham >> stations these days is self-flagellation. > Rick, A dual core system for amateur use may be self-flagellation but I > receive customer support e-mail on a regular basis from users with that > level of system or even Celeron and Atom based systems. The point is > that those low end systems *are* in regular use and one can't make > blanket statements that EXTFSK is no problem based on a few scope > pictures made with a six core, 5 GHz clock CPU. > >> Jitter is a documentable problem, it exists for a variety of reasons (not always the path used to transfer data), some of which are not resolvable unless taken to extreme measures. In severe cases, a move >> to AFSK is an acceptable alternative and easily managed. > > Yes, proper choice of environment (minimizing the number of processes) > can make less capable CPUs usable. However, that generally means using > AFSK instead of EXTFSK as well as being judicious with other issues > (like software panadapters and limiting spot rates). > > 73, > > ... Joe, W4TV > > >> On 3/25/2018 4:37 PM, Rick WA6NHC wrote: >>> On 3/25/2018 12:15 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: >>> >>> Even today the number/percentage of amateurs using liquid cooled, hex core 3 GHz i7 >>> processors like you used for your first "demonstration" is exceedingly >>> small. As I have told you multiple times, based on my support work >>> the average amateur system is something like an 2.4 GHz Core2Duo with >>> 1 - 4 GB of RAM and typically a single USB Root Hub to serve CAT, CW, >>> FSK, digital sound card, *and* software panadapter. >>> >>> *NONE* of your demonstrations showed that level of system under *FULL* >>> load. Your first demonstration may have been running rig control and >>> software panadapter but it wasn't processing a cluster feed at contest >>> rates (your panadapter was clearly visible with only one or two signals >>> on the band) and your CPU did not exceed roughly 40% utilization. Your >>> second demonstration did not include rig control, panadapter or cluster >>> yet by, your own measurements, had more than 10% *per bit* jitter which >>> is enough according to Chen to reduce SNR by several dB. >> Joe, I suspect you're selling the ham community short. While 'thrifty' (ok, most hams are just plain cheap but it IS a hobby in a world of life issues) there is a LOT of computing power available in the used market. One can pick up an I-5/6/7 for a pittance and memory is dirt cheap. >> I guess I'm on the bleeding edge for once. A couple years ago I assembled a system specifically FOR the station; it's wasn't free but it also didn't break the bank. It's a 4 GHz (slightly overclocked to 4.3 GHz and air cooled) I-7 with 32 GB of ram and the C: drive is a 520 GB SSD M3 chip mounted on the mboard (multiple data paths). >> NOTHING slows it down (although Windows tries), as intended. I've only found one ham program that actually causes load levels to rise but it's short duration and never maxed out. It wasn't a repurposed system, it was created to last a long time. Not even Photoshop causes a stutter (and that is a demanding suite of software). >> It also captures weather data, produces a live wx web page, collects images from 4 critters cams and puts that on another live video web page, along with the usual mundane tasks like email and browsing. (What I DO need is fast Internet but I didn't move to North Idaho for the Internet ;-) ) >> I use 'real' serial ports, not USB for station control and FSK data. It's all in the details. I've had poor performance from USB not from path overload but because it's sensitive to RFI at the worst moments; serial is more bullet proof. >> So I agree Joe, as often as you're spot on, that your data may be a bit dated on this topic. I'm positive I'm not the only one using more than a dual core CPU in the station as most of the software these days (if not the OS) requires better performance. A dual core for ham stations these days is self-flagellation. My only use for one is to play music into the home theater, Skype with the family gathered or stream web based video on the large flat screen. Every tool has a use but the days of dual core for stations are long over. >> Jitter is a documentable problem, it exists for a variety of reasons (not always the path used to transfer data), some of which are not resolvable unless taken to extreme measures. In severe cases, a move to AFSK is an acceptable alternative and easily managed. >> Let's move on and end this thread please. >> Rick nhc >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to lists at subich.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to eric.swartz at elecraft.com From jmoodysr at gmail.com Sun Mar 25 19:22:06 2018 From: jmoodysr at gmail.com (Jon Moody) Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2018 16:22:06 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] FS : KX3 and Accesories KG6VDW Message-ID: Greetings fellow Elecrafters, I have for sale a mint condition KX3 serial number 84xx purchased in 2015 factory assemble. 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The third party side panels and clear plastic cover have been used since purchasing the KX3 so the KX3 looks like new with no scratches. The KX3 has only been used as a base station in a non smoking environment and has never been used outside. The original purchase price was $1519.65 and current price would be over $1700 even with the recent sale that is going on. I am asking $1200 and payment by Pay Pal. I will pay standard shipping anywhere in the US. If you want it shipped faster than you pay the difference. This is a GREAT radio and anyone that purchases it will be quite happy with it. Everything works as expected and it has the latest Elecraft firmware installed. 73 Jon KG6VDW From kl7uw at acsalaska.net Sun Mar 25 19:30:10 2018 From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole) Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2018 15:30:10 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Resistor and capacitor installation Message-ID: <201803252330.w2PNUDaJ012743@mail40c28.carrierzone.com> I had to take a two-week NASA soldering school when I began work at Goldstone Tracking Facility in the Mojave Desert in 1971. Components were all thru-hole back then. A lot of years have passed since them but as I recall we bent the leads after insertion, soldered, and trimmed flush. I forgot the part about making turns around solder posts (gold). I remember all dc wiring was white teflon and we used thermal strippers. All wire looms had the wires run perfectly parallel and tied (before tywraps). Very time stacking process and then QA inspected with 6x magnifiers. Anything "not perfect" had to be done again. I worked on equipment used in the tracking stations. All had to pass same requirements as space-rated stuff (going into space). We had a full machine shop along with Master Mechinist. I would draw up what I needed as an enclosure and he would mill one from a block of aluminum. He showed me how to drill and tap holes. Also how to make waveguide. After being machined they were sent out for gold plating (every one). They wanted a MTBF in the order of years. I designed and built a fast shutdown (crowbar) for a TWT to take 1000v to ground in 30ms. The TWT were subject to RF arcing in the waveguide and you needed to have them shutdown before the arc reached the tube (think a photocell detector was used). It ran faultless for over 20-years in temps from -10F to +150F. I worked in the MTF (Microwave Test Facility) building prototypes of new equipment. It was fun! lots of stories 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com Dubus-NA Business mail: dubususa at gmail.com From kevinr at coho.net Sun Mar 25 20:38:59 2018 From: kevinr at coho.net (kevinr) Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2018 17:38:59 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Report Message-ID: <0f661301-815e-5539-4c16-84b568c04326@coho.net> Good Evening, ??? QSB was everywhere.? ESP one moment S5 the next.? S3 to S7 was pretty normal.? And the every present hiss with a few whistlers.? But it was nice to hear spring is coming to at least a few of us.? 40 meters was open to at least Kentucky but that was an ESP contact more often than not.? Good thing I knew who it was :) ? On 14050 kHz at 2200: NO8V - John - MI K6XK - Roy - IA W0CZ - Ken - ND K4TO - Dave - KY W5RG - Bob - FL ? On 7045 kHz at 0000z: K0DTJ - Brian - CA K6PJV - Dale - CA K6XK - Roy - IA W6JHB - Jim - CA K4TO - Dave - KY W0CZ - Ken - ND Now to enjoy some of this sun.? It's pretty bright out there with all the snow.? When it hit the trees this morning they unloaded all of last night's new snow.? Where there was a foot of snow there is now about four inches.? At this rate there may be some flooding down below.? The birds did appreciate getting fed.? The Steller's Jays were actually joining the crowd of Gray Jays. Normally they are pretty skittish but hunger has a way of changing one's attitudes.? It did get quite noisy with them all after the one open part of my deck. ?? See you again next week ???? 73, ??????? Kevin.? KD5ONS - From jmoodysr at gmail.com Sun Mar 25 21:20:24 2018 From: jmoodysr at gmail.com (Jon Moody) Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2018 18:20:24 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] FS : KX3 and Accesories KG6VDW Message-ID: The KX3 has been spoken for. 73 KG6VDW Jon From pd7rb.rb at gmail.com Mon Mar 26 11:27:24 2018 From: pd7rb.rb at gmail.com (Robert) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2018 17:27:24 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] No Audio Message-ID: Sorry, I think I am not specific enough. It's the voice what is not working, since I installed the subreceiver. As said, I have not changed the settings and tested it with the headset, but also the hand microphone. After saving a configuration backup, I did a factory reset, that didn't solve, even not, when I restored the backup file. So I wonder now, why isn't the voice working or did I miss something, that I have forgotten. PD7RB Robert From mark at mlb.net Mon Mar 26 11:52:12 2018 From: mark at mlb.net (Mark Bayern) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2018 10:52:12 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] No Audio In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: 'voice not working' Ok ... some more questions to help those of us on this list figure out what you're trying to convey. First I'll assume we are talking about a K3 or K3s. My next assumption is that we are talking about a receiver problem and not a transmitter issue. If either of those are incorrect, let me know. Does either receiver work? Can you hear any band noise? CW? anything? (Is the speaker plugged in properly? Does a headset or pair of earphones work?) Mark AD5SS On Mon, Mar 26, 2018 at 10:27 AM, Robert wrote: > Sorry, I think I am not specific enough. > > It's the voice what is not working, since I installed the subreceiver. > > As said, I have not changed the settings and tested it with the headset, > but also the hand microphone. > > After saving a configuration backup, I did a factory reset, that didn't > solve, even not, when I restored the backup file. > > So I wonder now, why isn't the voice working or did I miss something, > that I have forgotten. > > PD7RB Robert From nr4c at widomaker.com Mon Mar 26 12:30:36 2018 From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2018 12:30:36 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] No Audio In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7A7A2A6D-D35A-45D5-B8DD-6874E3B5B2DF@widomaker.com> What do you mean by ?voice isn?t working?? That sounds like a problem for your doctor. If you mean no TX monitor you may need to turn u the monitor volume. Did you select the proper mic input jack? What mic, does it need Bias? Have you consulted the manual? Sent from my iPhone ...nr4c. bill > On Mar 26, 2018, at 11:52 AM, Mark Bayern wrote: > > 'voice not working' > > Ok ... some more questions to help those of us on this list figure out > what you're trying to convey. > > First I'll assume we are talking about a K3 or K3s. My next assumption > is that we are talking about a receiver problem and not a transmitter > issue. If either of those are incorrect, let me know. > > Does either receiver work? Can you hear any band noise? CW? anything? > (Is the speaker plugged in properly? Does a headset or pair of > earphones work?) > > > Mark AD5SS > > > >> On Mon, Mar 26, 2018 at 10:27 AM, Robert wrote: >> Sorry, I think I am not specific enough. >> >> It's the voice what is not working, since I installed the subreceiver. >> >> As said, I have not changed the settings and tested it with the headset, >> but also the hand microphone. >> >> After saving a configuration backup, I did a factory reset, that didn't >> solve, even not, when I restored the backup file. >> >> So I wonder now, why isn't the voice working or did I miss something, >> that I have forgotten. >> >> PD7RB Robert > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to nr4c at widomaker.com From frantz at pwpconsult.com Mon Mar 26 12:45:48 2018 From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2018 09:45:48 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] No Audio In-Reply-To: Message-ID: From Robert's original report: Radio: K3 He says, "All normal settings are oke, but still no audio, even not with a hand microphone.", so I think we can assume he has a problem with the microphone. He describes his settings as: TX is working normal. = Mic sel : FP.H - high = Mic level : 20 = CMP level : 20 Things to check: Is MIC BIAS set correctly (ON for an Elecraft mic)? Does a microphone plugged into the rear panel jack produce audio? It is possible there is a bad connection from installing the second receiver, possibly aligning the multi-pin connectors. These are the things I can immediately think of. 73 Bill AE6JV On 3/26/18 at 8:52 AM, mark at mlb.net (Mark Bayern) wrote: >'voice not working' > >Ok ... some more questions to help those of us on this list figure out >what you're trying to convey. > >First I'll assume we are talking about a K3 or K3s. My next assumption >is that we are talking about a receiver problem and not a transmitter >issue. If either of those are incorrect, let me know. > >Does either receiver work? Can you hear any band noise? CW? anything? >(Is the speaker plugged in properly? Does a headset or pair of >earphones work?) > > >Mark AD5SS > > > >On Mon, Mar 26, 2018 at 10:27 AM, Robert wrote: >>Sorry, I think I am not specific enough. >> >>It's the voice what is not working, since I installed the subreceiver. >> >>As said, I have not changed the settings and tested it with the headset, >>but also the hand microphone. >> >>After saving a configuration backup, I did a factory reset, that didn't >>solve, even not, when I restored the backup file. >> >>So I wonder now, why isn't the voice working or did I miss something, >>that I have forgotten. >> >>PD7RB Robert >______________________________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >Message delivered to frantz at pwpconsult.com > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz | Re: Computer reliability, performance, and security: 408-356-8506 | The guy who *is* wearing a parachute is *not* the www.pwpconsult.com | first to reach the ground. - Terence Kelly From n6axjohn at gmail.com Mon Mar 26 12:47:45 2018 From: n6axjohn at gmail.com (John Klewer) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2018 09:47:45 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] No Audio In-Reply-To: <7A7A2A6D-D35A-45D5-B8DD-6874E3B5B2DF@widomaker.com> References: <7A7A2A6D-D35A-45D5-B8DD-6874E3B5B2DF@widomaker.com> Message-ID: *What do you mean by ?voice isn?t working?? That sounds like a problem for your doctor.* A little kindness and grace would go a long way towards keeping the reflector civil..... Just sayin' John On Mon, Mar 26, 2018 at 9:30 AM, Nr4c wrote: > What do you mean by ?voice isn?t working?? > > That sounds like a problem for your doctor. > > If you mean no TX monitor you may need to turn u the monitor volume. > > Did you select the proper mic input jack? What mic, does it need Bias? > > Have you consulted the manual? > > Sent from my iPhone > ...nr4c. bill > > > > On Mar 26, 2018, at 11:52 AM, Mark Bayern wrote: > > > > 'voice not working' > > > > Ok ... some more questions to help those of us on this list figure out > > what you're trying to convey. > > > > First I'll assume we are talking about a K3 or K3s. My next assumption > > is that we are talking about a receiver problem and not a transmitter > > issue. If either of those are incorrect, let me know. > > > > Does either receiver work? Can you hear any band noise? CW? anything? > > (Is the speaker plugged in properly? Does a headset or pair of > > earphones work?) > > > > > > Mark AD5SS > > > > > > > >> On Mon, Mar 26, 2018 at 10:27 AM, Robert wrote: > >> Sorry, I think I am not specific enough. > >> > >> It's the voice what is not working, since I installed the subreceiver. > >> > >> As said, I have not changed the settings and tested it with the headset, > >> but also the hand microphone. > >> > >> After saving a configuration backup, I did a factory reset, that didn't > >> solve, even not, when I restored the backup file. > >> > >> So I wonder now, why isn't the voice working or did I miss something, > >> that I have forgotten. > >> > >> PD7RB Robert > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to nr4c at widomaker.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n6axjohn at gmail.com > From kk7p4dsp at gmail.com Mon Mar 26 12:53:15 2018 From: kk7p4dsp at gmail.com (Lyle Johnson) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2018 09:53:15 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] No Audio In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <710ff472-fde3-3f1b-4ab1-1ad1fbab5c69@gmail.com> When installing the DSP board,it is very easy to mis-align the 5-pin connector between the front panel board and the DSP board. This connector carries mic audio from the front panel microphone jack to the DSP. 73, Lyle KK7P From n0tt1 at juno.com Mon Mar 26 13:24:57 2018 From: n0tt1 at juno.com (n0tt1 at juno.com) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2018 17:24:57 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Resistor and capacitor installation Message-ID: Back in the early 80's, a friend of mine had a job-related subscription to "NASA Tech Briefs" (or something like that title). I never read the article myself, but my friend was very good at relaying details. One of the subjects covered was soldering and the "shock wave" problem. IIRC, the leads could be trimmed with a scissor-like tool. I would think the nippers that someone mentioned would be OK to use because of the way the cutting edge is designed. I tried to find the Tech Briefs on the web, but no luck. If anyone has access to those publications I would sure like to read the article. Again, that was back in the early 80's or maybe late 70's. 73, Charlie, N0TT >Sorry but cutting wires after soldering is "bad practice"; NASA wanted the soldered connection left undisturbed. >If I ever saw an assembler or tech doing that "bad practice", they'd get a verbal warning that first time and a written warning if >it ever happened again; but I had good, conscientious people and never had to do that. >So, tin the wires if needed; position the part and then trim wires before doing the final soldering. From w4kx at mac.com Mon Mar 26 14:04:25 2018 From: w4kx at mac.com (Tom Doligalski) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2018 14:04:25 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Resistor and capacitor installation In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: https://www.techbriefs.com 73, Tom W4KX Sent from my iPad > On Mar 26, 2018, at 1:24 PM, n0tt1 at juno.com wrote: > > Back in the early 80's, a friend of mine had a job-related > subscription to "NASA Tech Briefs" (or something like that title). > I never read the article myself, but my friend was very good at > relaying details. > > One of the subjects covered was soldering and the "shock wave" problem. > IIRC, the leads could be trimmed with a scissor-like tool. > > I would think the nippers that someone mentioned would be OK > to use because of the way the cutting edge is designed. > > I tried to find the Tech Briefs on the web, but no luck. If > anyone has access to those publications I would sure > like to read the article. Again, that was back in the early > 80's or maybe late 70's. > > 73, > Charlie, N0TT > >> Sorry but cutting wires after soldering is "bad practice"; NASA wanted > the soldered connection left undisturbed. > >> If I ever saw an assembler or tech doing that "bad practice", they'd get > a verbal warning that first time and a written warning if >it ever > happened again; but I had good, conscientious people and never had to do > that. > >> So, tin the wires if needed; position the part and then trim wires > before doing the final soldering. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to w4kx at mac.com From ts2018 at sy-edm.com Mon Mar 26 14:46:15 2018 From: ts2018 at sy-edm.com (a45wg) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2018 22:46:15 +0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Resistor and capacitor installation In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3E81D62B-5A76-448B-B4E1-DD1FC4595CF6@sy-edm.com> So you are all ?Rocket Scientists? !! That explains a lot?. Keep up the V interesting posts 73s Tim Du3/M0FGC > On Mar 26, 2018, at 10:04 PM, Tom Doligalski wrote: > > https://www.techbriefs.com > > 73, Tom W4KX > > Sent from my iPad > >> On Mar 26, 2018, at 1:24 PM, n0tt1 at juno.com wrote: >> >> Back in the early 80's, a friend of mine had a job-related >> subscription to "NASA Tech Briefs" (or something like that title). >> I never read the article myself, but my friend was very good at >> relaying details. >> >> One of the subjects covered was soldering and the "shock wave" problem. >> IIRC, the leads could be trimmed with a scissor-like tool. >> >> I would think the nippers that someone mentioned would be OK >> to use because of the way the cutting edge is designed. >> >> I tried to find the Tech Briefs on the web, but no luck. If >> anyone has access to those publications I would sure >> like to read the article. Again, that was back in the early >> 80's or maybe late 70's. >> >> 73, >> Charlie, N0TT >> >>> Sorry but cutting wires after soldering is "bad practice"; NASA wanted >> the soldered connection left undisturbed. >> >>> If I ever saw an assembler or tech doing that "bad practice", they'd get >> a verbal warning that first time and a written warning if >it ever >> happened again; but I had good, conscientious people and never had to do >> that. >> >>> So, tin the wires if needed; position the part and then trim wires >> before doing the final soldering. >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to w4kx at mac.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to a45wg at sy-edm.com From kevinr at coho.net Mon Mar 26 15:15:29 2018 From: kevinr at coho.net (kevinr) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2018 12:15:29 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Resistor and capacitor installation In-Reply-To: <3E81D62B-5A76-448B-B4E1-DD1FC4595CF6@sy-edm.com> References: <3E81D62B-5A76-448B-B4E1-DD1FC4595CF6@sy-edm.com> Message-ID: <1db41ec0-0d2a-2789-d369-43581d56fcf8@coho.net> If G?nter Grass and Thomas Pynchon had worked together the boy in The Tin Drum could have been a V2 pilot. ?? 73, ????? Kevin.? KD5ONS On 03/26/2018 11:46 AM, a45wg wrote: > So you are all ?Rocket Scientists? !! > > That explains a lot?. > > Keep up the V interesting posts > > > 73s > > Tim > > Du3/M0FGC From marklgoldberg at gmail.com Mon Mar 26 15:17:10 2018 From: marklgoldberg at gmail.com (Mark Goldberg) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2018 12:17:10 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Resistor and capacitor installation techniques: trim before or after soldering? In-Reply-To: <004701d3c487$cfe2c250$6fa846f0$@verizon.net> References: <004701d3c487$cfe2c250$6fa846f0$@verizon.net> Message-ID: IPC-610 is really an acceptance criteria, what it should look like after it is done. A company or industry can choose to use this or not. Some think it has caused companies to build in lower cost countries that don't actually follow it, but claim to. One of the major standards to build to is J-STD-001. I have and use that too, but IPC-610 has more info about what it should look like after it is done. So, IPC-610 and J-STD-001 are what I am familiar with, so I use them and other referenced standards. They have three classes. Generally the highest Class 3 is considered for high performance or critical systems. If I was an automotive company, that is what I would use. For commercial products, lower Class 2 or even the lowest Class 1 might be OK. My work probably meets Class 1 most of the time. Some manufacturers have done things not in the specs for their own reasons, such as phone makers using low silver content lead free solder because it works well in shock (dropped phones) but not so much in vibration that may be found in aircraft or autos. The specs may be used for anything if you wish. NASA has had their own specs (NASA-STD-8739.3, superseded by J-STS-001-FS which I have never seen as I never worked on space products) and other manufacturer's may have their own specs too. I just don't know who actually uses them. You can Google these various standards and find some old versions for free, but most of the latest ones will cost you. They are long and boring, but I generally search for what I want to do and read that section. I used to work with some of the fine people who wrote the standards to point out the right sections to me. These standards are updated after thousands of hours of testing and experimentation. I was also able to watch some very skilled people solder. My skills pale in comparison, but I try. 73, Mark W7MLG On Sun, Mar 25, 2018 at 3:22 PM, N2TK, Tony wrote: > Mark, > Does IPC-610 also cover automotive products? > N2TK, Tony > > -----Original Message----- > From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net > [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Mark Goldberg > Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2018 6:20 PM > To: Elecraft Mailing List > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Resistor and capacitor installation techniques: > trim > before or after soldering? > > For commercial products, there is IPC-610. That is 400+ pages of > descriptions of how to determine acceptability of and build electronic > assemblies. It has very clear explanations and lots of pictures and > diagrams > of right and wrong ways to do things. > > Unfortunately, you may have to pay to get a copy. There are also a whole > series of more specific specification documents for certain operations, but > IPC-610 will have most of what you need to know. At least, it is what I > look > at first. > > Section 7.3.5.9 allows trimming after soldering if the trimming does not > damage the solder. For certain classes of products, a visual inspection at > 10X is required. Reflowing after cutting is also acceptable instead of > inspection. I believe there are special trimmers that minimize shock during > the trimming process. > > I attempt to follow IPC-610, although my skills may not be fully up to the > task. At least I know where I fall short. > > 73, > > Mark > W7MLG > > > On Sat, Mar 24, 2018 at 10:28 AM, Mark Petrovic > wrote: > > > While reading through my new K2 kit's control board assembly > > instructions, I see that some builders prefer to trim the resistor and > > capacitor leads before soldering. I'm intrigued by this, and wonder > > if someone who uses this technique can share their experiences. Do you > > the solder the component from the top of the board or bottom? How do > > you keep the component in place during soldering? I am assuming the > > value of this technique is in the resulting lower profile of the > components on the backside of the board. > > > > Thank you. > > > > Mark > > AE6RT > > > > -- > > Mark > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > > marklgoldberg at gmail.com > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message > delivered to tony.kaz at verizon.net > > From jaypecora at gmail.com Mon Mar 26 17:55:01 2018 From: jaypecora at gmail.com (Jason Pecora) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2018 17:55:01 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 questions... Message-ID: Group good evening. I have a certain style of operation and a question about the KPA1500 I would like to ask in the group. My normal operation is the K3S into a Palstar HF Auto that tunes several antennas on my property. I have had a lot of amplifiers in the past, from solid state to tube amps. Currently I'm running a OMpower 2000+ amplifier. My normal process is that I have 2 memories set on the K-pod, one is that it puts the radio into tune mode at 8 watts out. This 8w output tunes the HF auto with low power until it gets a good match which is very quick. During this 8w tune I have the amplifier in stand-by mode, and all set to tune it next. After the 8w tune, I have the same button set up to "HOLD" the button for a 30w tune in which then I tune the amplifier which is pretty much ready to go off of a list that I compiled, just basically a touch up is all that is needed. The radio stays at 30w after that tune and I'm ready to go... My question is this. Is there an option with the KPA1500 that I don't have to reach over and keep hitting stand-by on the amplifier every time I need to touch up the HF-Auto, can I set up a K-pod button to do this, or a button on the K3S? So basically does the K3S talk to the buttons on the KPA1500 so that I could create a stand-by button on the K-pod...I'm right on the fence on a purchase and this feature would really be of importance to me... Jay KB8O From n5lz at comcast.net Mon Mar 26 18:14:34 2018 From: n5lz at comcast.net (Don Butler) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2018 16:14:34 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 questions... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000001d3c54f$d2d92210$788b6630$@comcast.net> Jason, the short answer is that when the KPA1500 and K3S (or K3) are connected via the KPAK3AUX cable and your K3S config menu is set to "power per band" the K3S will memorize two separate power settings per band .. one which kicks in when the amp is set to "STBY" and the other when and the mode switch is changed to "OPER" Don, N5LZ -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jason Pecora Sent: Monday, March 26, 2018 3:55 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 questions... Group good evening. I have a certain style of operation and a question about the KPA1500 I would like to ask in the group. My normal operation is the K3S into a Palstar HF Auto that tunes several antennas on my property. I have had a lot of amplifiers in the past, from solid state to tube amps. Currently I'm running a OMpower 2000+ amplifier. My normal process is that I have 2 memories set on the K-pod, one is that it puts the radio into tune mode at 8 watts out. This 8w output tunes the HF auto with low power until it gets a good match which is very quick. During this 8w tune I have the amplifier in stand-by mode, and all set to tune it next. After the 8w tune, I have the same button set up to "HOLD" the button for a 30w tune in which then I tune the amplifier which is pretty much ready to go off of a list that I compiled, just basically a touch up is all that is needed. The radio stays at 30w after that tune and I'm ready to go... My question is this. Is there an option with the KPA1500 that I don't have to reach over and keep hitting stand-by on the amplifier every time I need to touch up the HF-Auto, can I set up a K-pod button to do this, or a button on the K3S? So basically does the K3S talk to the buttons on the KPA1500 so that I could create a stand-by button on the K-pod...I'm right on the fence on a purchase and this feature would really be of importance to me... Jay KB8O ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to n5lz at comcast.net From dick at elecraft.com Mon Mar 26 18:17:46 2018 From: dick at elecraft.com (dick at elecraft.com) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2018 15:17:46 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 questions... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <001d01d3c550$452a9330$cf7fb990$@elecraft.com> Hi, Jay! The KPA1500 bypasses the power amplifier during ATU TUNE. Your K3S can communicate its current VFO frequency to the KPA1500 via the ACC cable. The KPA1500 will then change the ATU based on frequency, without transmission. If you have several antennas, as I do, I've done the tuning on each antenna about every 20 kHz across the band in what we've called an ATU "training session". The KPA1500 retains ATU settings for each of these antennas for each "band segment". Then when you QSY to that frequency and transmit, the ATU evaluates SWR, if it's above an SWR threshold (that you set), then the ATU switches the PA to bypass, runs through the available ATU settings, and picks the best one, then restores the PA to full power. Depending on how many antennas you've tuned for, this takes small tens of milliseconds, about 15 msec per ATU setting that needs to be evaluated. This behavior is turned on with a configuration choice, "ATU HiSWR RETUNE". After the training session, I tune across the band and change antennas as I wish, and the pre-tuned ATU settings are determined in a few tens of milliseconds. I don't press any buttons to cause ATU tuning, once I've asked the KPA1500 to memorize the ATU settings for my set of antennas. The KPA1500's amplifier is bypassed when it needs to be for ATU tuning. We can't hot-switch the ATU relays at full amplifier power. ATU tuning is done at exciter power, usually around 20-50 watts, although 100W isn't too much for the relays. If I get to a new frequency that I've never tuned for, I have to press the KPA1500 ATU TUNE button. I have a keying cable connected between the KPA1500 and K3 "straight key" input that allows the KPA1500 to key the K3S when it needs carrier to tune the ATU. We're working on a signal between KPA1500 and K3S on the ACC connector that will hopefully remove the need for that extra keying cable. If this is as clear as mud, send me another note... 73 de Dick, K6KR -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of Jason Pecora Sent: Monday, March 26, 2018 14:55 To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 questions... Group good evening. I have a certain style of operation and a question about the KPA1500 I would like to ask in the group. My normal operation is the K3S into a Palstar HF Auto that tunes several antennas on my property. I have had a lot of amplifiers in the past, from solid state to tube amps. Currently I'm running a OMpower 2000+ amplifier. My normal process is that I have 2 memories set on the K-pod, one is that it puts the radio into tune mode at 8 watts out. This 8w output tunes the HF auto with low power until it gets a good match which is very quick. During this 8w tune I have the amplifier in stand-by mode, and all set to tune it next. After the 8w tune, I have the same button set up to "HOLD" the button for a 30w tune in which then I tune the amplifier which is pretty much ready to go off of a list that I compiled, just basically a touch up is all that is needed. The radio stays at 30w after that tune and I'm ready to go... My question is this. Is there an option with the KPA1500 that I don't have to reach over and keep hitting stand-by on the amplifier every time I need to touch up the HF-Auto, can I set up a K-pod button to do this, or a button on the K3S? So basically does the K3S talk to the buttons on the KPA1500 so that I could create a stand-by button on the K-pod...I'm right on the fence on a purchase and this feature would really be of importance to me... Jay KB8O ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to dick at elecraft.com From n6kr at elecraft.com Mon Mar 26 19:47:02 2018 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2018 16:47:02 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KX2/KX3 operating tip: A/B testing of two antennas without retuning the ATU Message-ID: <8558F1FC-AFC6-4631-A89A-FDC89545FF73@elecraft.com> Sometimes you?ll have two antennas available for your KX2 or KX3, for example different whips (my situation the other day) or a whip and a wire, etc. In both cases you might be using the internal ATU. Q: Do you need to retune the ATU each time you swap antennas? A: No. Both rigs have a menu entry added last year called ?ATU DATA? (SET 1 and SET 2). If you select SET 1 for one antenna and SET 2 for the other, tuning up the ATU on each separately, you?ll then be able to recall the appropriate ATU settings using this menu entry. This can be done very quickly using the programmable switch feature. On the KX3, assign MENU:ATU DATA to either PF1 or PF2. On the KX2, there?s only one PFn switch but this gives you access to four programmable functions. Further information on ATU DATA sets, from the firmware release notes: * TWO ATU DATA SETS: The KX2/KX3 will now store two full sets of per-band data for the internal ATU (KXAT2 or KXAT3). Use the ATU DATA menu entry to select which set to use. Typically SET 1 is used at a home location, and SET 2 for field operation. They can also be used in cases where more than one antenna is available for a given band. (Note: The ATU DATA menu entry has no effect on KXAT100 ATU data, which is already stored separately for each of the KXPA100 amplifier?s antenna jacks. The KX2/KX3 can remotely switch KXPA100 antennas using the radio?s ANT.X SW menu entry.) If you need to A/B test antennas often during operation, you?ll need an external manual switch of some kind. Flip the switch, then swap the ATU DATA set at the rig. 73, Wayne N6KR From markmusick at sbcglobal.net Mon Mar 26 21:34:37 2018 From: markmusick at sbcglobal.net (Mark E. Musick) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2018 01:34:37 -0000 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 questions... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <003c01d3c56b$c588b640$509a22c0$@sbcglobal.net> Hi Jay, Why would you need the HF AUTO ("My question is this. Is there an option with the KPA1500 that I don't have to reach over and keep hitting stand-by on the amplifier every time I need to touch up the HF-Auto")? The KPA1500 has a built-in tuner. Is there a reason you do not want to use it? Mark, WB9CIF -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of Jason Pecora Sent: Monday, March 26, 2018 9:55 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 questions... Group good evening. I have a certain style of operation and a question about the KPA1500 I would like to ask in the group. My normal operation is the K3S into a Palstar HF Auto that tunes several antennas on my property. I have had a lot of amplifiers in the past, from solid state to tube amps. Currently I'm running a OMpower 2000+ amplifier. My normal process is that I have 2 memories set on the K-pod, one is that it puts the radio into tune mode at 8 watts out. This 8w output tunes the HF auto with low power until it gets a good match which is very quick. During this 8w tune I have the amplifier in stand-by mode, and all set to tune it next. After the 8w tune, I have the same button set up to "HOLD" the button for a 30w tune in which then I tune the amplifier which is pretty much ready to go off of a list that I compiled, just basically a touch up is all that is needed. The radio stays at 30w after that tune and I'm ready to go... My question is this. Is there an option with the KPA1500 that I don't have to reach over and keep hitting stand-by on the amplifier every time I need to touch up the HF-Auto, can I set up a K-pod button to do this, or a button on the K3S? So basically does the K3S talk to the buttons on the KPA1500 so that I could create a stand-by button on the K-pod...I'm right on the fence on a purchase and this feature would really be of importance to me... Jay KB8O ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to markmusick at sbcglobal.net From mike.ab3ap at gmail.com Mon Mar 26 21:36:07 2018 From: mike.ab3ap at gmail.com (Mike Markowski) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2018 21:36:07 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Pie rack K-Line Message-ID: <23daf820-8ebd-31ad-d30d-0545fcd40bc7@gmail.com> I found an economical way to go vertical with my Elecraft gear and save some desk space. It's slightly off-beat - which suits me :-) - and I'm very happy with both cost and quality. For any also interested in stacking their gear without the expense of rack mounting: http://udel.edu/~mm/ham/elecraft/rack/ 73, Mike ab3ap From nk9g at icloud.com Mon Mar 26 21:43:41 2018 From: nk9g at icloud.com (Rick McGaver) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2018 18:43:41 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Pie rack K-Line In-Reply-To: <23daf820-8ebd-31ad-d30d-0545fcd40bc7@gmail.com> References: <23daf820-8ebd-31ad-d30d-0545fcd40bc7@gmail.com> Message-ID: Looks Very Nice ! NK 9G Sent from my iPad > On Mar 26, 2018, at 6:36 PM, Mike Markowski wrote: > > I found an economical way to go vertical with my Elecraft gear and save some desk space. It's slightly off-beat - which suits me :-) - and I'm very happy with both cost and quality. For any also interested in stacking their gear without the expense of rack mounting: > > http://udel.edu/~mm/ham/elecraft/rack/ > > 73, > Mike ab3ap > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to nk9g at icloud.com From k9yeq at live.com Mon Mar 26 21:53:06 2018 From: k9yeq at live.com (Bill Johnson) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2018 01:53:06 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 questions... In-Reply-To: <003c01d3c56b$c588b640$509a22c0$@sbcglobal.net> References: <003c01d3c56b$c588b640$509a22c0$@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: I read this is a remote tuner? Thus the question? 73, Bill K9YEQ -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of Mark E. Musick Sent: Monday, March 26, 2018 8:35 PM To: 'Jason Pecora' ; elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA1500 questions... Hi Jay, Why would you need the HF AUTO ("My question is this. Is there an option with the KPA1500 that I don't have to reach over and keep hitting stand-by on the amplifier every time I need to touch up the HF-Auto")? The KPA1500 has a built-in tuner. Is there a reason you do not want to use it? Mark, WB9CIF -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of Jason Pecora Sent: Monday, March 26, 2018 9:55 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 questions... Group good evening. I have a certain style of operation and a question about the KPA1500 I would like to ask in the group. My normal operation is the K3S into a Palstar HF Auto that tunes several antennas on my property. I have had a lot of amplifiers in the past, from solid state to tube amps. Currently I'm running a OMpower 2000+ amplifier. My normal process is that I have 2 memories set on the K-pod, one is that it puts the radio into tune mode at 8 watts out. This 8w output tunes the HF auto with low power until it gets a good match which is very quick. During this 8w tune I have the amplifier in stand-by mode, and all set to tune it next. After the 8w tune, I have the same button set up to "HOLD" the button for a 30w tune in which then I tune the amplifier which is pretty much ready to go off of a list that I compiled, just basically a touch up is all that is needed. The radio stays at 30w after that tune and I'm ready to go... My question is this. Is there an option with the KPA1500 that I don't have to reach over and keep hitting stand-by on the amplifier every time I need to touch up the HF-Auto, can I set up a K-pod button to do this, or a button on the K3S? So basically does the K3S talk to the buttons on the KPA1500 so that I could create a stand-by button on the K-pod...I'm right on the fence on a purchase and this feature would really be of importance to me... Jay KB8O ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to markmusick at sbcglobal.net ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to k9yeq at live.com From k9yeq at live.com Mon Mar 26 21:56:48 2018 From: k9yeq at live.com (Bill Johnson) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2018 01:56:48 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Pie rack K-Line In-Reply-To: <23daf820-8ebd-31ad-d30d-0545fcd40bc7@gmail.com> References: <23daf820-8ebd-31ad-d30d-0545fcd40bc7@gmail.com> Message-ID: What a great idea. Love the simplicity. Thank you, Mike! 73, Bill K9YEQ -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of Mike Markowski Sent: Monday, March 26, 2018 8:36 PM To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] Pie rack K-Line I found an economical way to go vertical with my Elecraft gear and save some desk space. It's slightly off-beat - which suits me :-) - and I'm very happy with both cost and quality. For any also interested in stacking their gear without the expense of rack mounting: http://udel.edu/~mm/ham/elecraft/rack/ 73, Mike ab3ap ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to k9yeq at live.com From jnogatch at gmail.com Mon Mar 26 21:56:20 2018 From: jnogatch at gmail.com (John Nogatch) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2018 18:56:20 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Pie rack K-Line In-Reply-To: References: <23daf820-8ebd-31ad-d30d-0545fcd40bc7@gmail.com> Message-ID: >> On Mar 26, 2018, at 6:36 PM, Mike Markowski wrote: >> I found an economical way to go vertical with my Elecraft gear and save some desk space. ... >> http://udel.edu/~mm/ham/elecraft/rack/ Yes, I like those chrome plated metal racks. I have used several of them to make my operating desk strong and stable, and provide shelf space for heavy battery, power supply, etc.. To stack the radios on top of the desk, I used PVC, as shown about 1/3 into this presentation: https://www.slvarc.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/Homebrew_2015.pdf -John AC6SL From kevinr at coho.net Mon Mar 26 22:34:53 2018 From: kevinr at coho.net (kevinr) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2018 19:34:53 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Pie rack K-Line In-Reply-To: <23daf820-8ebd-31ad-d30d-0545fcd40bc7@gmail.com> References: <23daf820-8ebd-31ad-d30d-0545fcd40bc7@gmail.com> Message-ID: Room for expansion too.? Very Cool. ?? Kevin.? KD5ONS On 03/26/2018 06:36 PM, Mike Markowski wrote: > I found an economical way to go vertical with my Elecraft gear and > save some desk space.? It's slightly off-beat - which suits me :-) - > and I'm very happy with both cost and quality.? For any also > interested in stacking their gear without the expense of rack mounting: > > ?? http://udel.edu/~mm/ham/elecraft/rack/ > > 73, > Mike ab3ap > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to kevinr at coho.net > From dave.w0zf at gmail.com Mon Mar 26 23:40:46 2018 From: dave.w0zf at gmail.com (Dave Fugleberg) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2018 03:40:46 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Pie rack K-Line In-Reply-To: References: <23daf820-8ebd-31ad-d30d-0545fcd40bc7@gmail.com> Message-ID: Very nice looking setup! I use a similar rack from home depot which holds the K3, P3, four transverters and amps for VHF / UHF, and associated SWR meters, etc. About 360 days of the year it sits on the desk in the shack connected to the shack computer and antennas. When it's time for a VHF+ contest, the whole thing relocates to the back seat of my truck for rover operations. Works very well. I liked it so much that I bought a second rack for some other stuff in the shack (rotor controllers, antennas switches, etc.). On Mon, Mar 26, 2018 at 9:35 PM kevinr wrote: > Room for expansion too. Very Cool. > > Kevin. KD5ONS > > > On 03/26/2018 06:36 PM, Mike Markowski wrote: > > I found an economical way to go vertical with my Elecraft gear and > > save some desk space. It's slightly off-beat - which suits me :-) - > > and I'm very happy with both cost and quality. For any also > > interested in stacking their gear without the expense of rack mounting: > > > > http://udel.edu/~mm/ham/elecraft/rack/ > > > > 73, > > Mike ab3ap > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to kevinr at coho.net > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dave.w0zf at gmail.com From nr4c at widomaker.com Mon Mar 26 23:53:12 2018 From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2018 23:53:12 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Pie rack K-Line In-Reply-To: <23daf820-8ebd-31ad-d30d-0545fcd40bc7@gmail.com> References: <23daf820-8ebd-31ad-d30d-0545fcd40bc7@gmail.com> Message-ID: <00CC5155-B1D5-4AFB-8482-171C94D259B2@widomaker.com> Looks nice but can you get to the controls? Sent from my iPhone ...nr4c. bill > On Mar 26, 2018, at 9:36 PM, Mike Markowski wrote: > > I found an economical way to go vertical with my Elecraft gear and save some desk space. It's slightly off-beat - which suits me :-) - and I'm very happy with both cost and quality. For any also interested in stacking their gear without the expense of rack mounting: > > http://udel.edu/~mm/ham/elecraft/rack/ > > 73, > Mike ab3ap > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to nr4c at widomaker.com From eric.csuf at gmail.com Tue Mar 27 00:00:50 2018 From: eric.csuf at gmail.com (EricJ) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2018 21:00:50 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Pie rack K-Line In-Reply-To: <23daf820-8ebd-31ad-d30d-0545fcd40bc7@gmail.com> References: <23daf820-8ebd-31ad-d30d-0545fcd40bc7@gmail.com> Message-ID: <0b9df76a-04bc-13ea-eeb0-eeccb849e86b@gmail.com> And you can still warm pies over the KPA500. Eric KE6US On 3/26/2018 6:36 PM, Mike Markowski wrote: > I found an economical way to go vertical with my Elecraft gear and > save some desk space.? It's slightly off-beat - which suits me :-) - > and I'm very happy with both cost and quality.? For any also > interested in stacking their gear without the expense of rack mounting: > > ?? http://udel.edu/~mm/ham/elecraft/rack/ > > 73, > Mike ab3ap > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to eric.csuf at gmail.com > From donwilh at embarqmail.com Tue Mar 27 00:24:30 2018 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2018 00:24:30 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 questions... In-Reply-To: <003c01d3c56b$c588b640$509a22c0$@sbcglobal.net> References: <003c01d3c56b$c588b640$509a22c0$@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <6e96e649-5961-a561-d13e-bf2bae754efb@embarqmail.com> Mark, The amplifier is not keyed while the KAT1500 is tuning. Similar to the KPA500 and KAT500. You do not have to put the amp in standby, it is done automatically. 73, Don W3FPR On 3/26/2018 9:34 PM, Mark E. Musick wrote: > Hi Jay, > Why would you need the HF AUTO ("My question is this. Is there an option > with the KPA1500 that I don't have to reach over and keep hitting stand-by > on the amplifier every time I need to touch up the HF-Auto")? The KPA1500 > has a built-in tuner. Is there a reason you do not want to use it? From n7xy at n7xy.net Tue Mar 27 01:38:57 2018 From: n7xy at n7xy.net (Bob Nielsen) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2018 22:38:57 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Pie rack K-Line In-Reply-To: <23daf820-8ebd-31ad-d30d-0545fcd40bc7@gmail.com> References: <23daf820-8ebd-31ad-d30d-0545fcd40bc7@gmail.com> Message-ID: <08038c44-6096-1529-c6a0-b975c48a2e67@n7xy.net> I use the same rack in black (from Amazon). 73, On 3/26/18 6:36 PM, Mike Markowski wrote: > I found an economical way to go vertical with my Elecraft gear and > save some desk space.? It's slightly off-beat - which suits me :-) - > and I'm very happy with both cost and quality.? For any also > interested in stacking their gear without the expense of rack mounting: > > ?? http://udel.edu/~mm/ham/elecraft/rack/ > > 73, > Mike ab3ap > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n7xy at n7xy.net > . > From wes_n7ws at triconet.org Tue Mar 27 01:39:12 2018 From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes Stewart) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2018 22:39:12 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Pie rack K-Line In-Reply-To: <23daf820-8ebd-31ad-d30d-0545fcd40bc7@gmail.com> References: <23daf820-8ebd-31ad-d30d-0545fcd40bc7@gmail.com> Message-ID: <80e83aa9-e58d-727f-6ab8-66efa32754d3@triconet.org> Slick. I have a bunch of those shelves in a bigger size in the garage. Wes?? N7WS On 3/26/2018 6:36 PM, Mike Markowski wrote: > I found an economical way to go vertical with my Elecraft gear and save some > desk space.? It's slightly off-beat - which suits me :-) - and I'm very happy > with both cost and quality.? For any also interested in stacking their gear > without the expense of rack mounting: > > ?? http://udel.edu/~mm/ham/elecraft/rack/ > > 73, > Mike ab3ap From vk2bj at optusnet.com.au Tue Mar 27 02:25:38 2018 From: vk2bj at optusnet.com.au (Barry Simpson) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2018 17:25:38 +1100 Subject: [Elecraft] No Audio In-Reply-To: <710ff472-fde3-3f1b-4ab1-1ad1fbab5c69@gmail.com> References: <710ff472-fde3-3f1b-4ab1-1ad1fbab5c69@gmail.com> Message-ID: Yes I did exactly what Lyle describes. I was sure I had not done that when it was suggested to me by Elecraft when I had the same problem. But I had !! I corrected it, no harm done and it then worked fine. Barry VK2BJ On 27 March 2018 at 03:53, Lyle Johnson wrote: > When installing the DSP board,it is very easy to mis-align the 5-pin > connector between the front panel board and the DSP board. This connector > carries mic audio from the front panel microphone jack to the DSP. > > 73, > > Lyle KK7P > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to vk2bj at optusnet.com.au > From dean.k2ww at gmail.com Tue Mar 27 05:46:01 2018 From: dean.k2ww at gmail.com (Dean L) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2018 05:46:01 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] (OT) Ham Radio Magazine on CD or any other digital version Message-ID: Does anyone have the HAM RADIO MAGAZINE set of cd's ( or any other form) surplus to their needs? I'm "jonesing " for some good reading without spending a fortune. ( i bought many of them once already...hihi) Please contact me offline Thanks and vy 73 Dean K2WW From crmabbott at comcast.net Tue Mar 27 07:24:22 2018 From: crmabbott at comcast.net (Chuck Mabbott) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2018 07:24:22 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Resistor and capacitor installation Message-ID: <00dc01d3c5be$282e08c0$788a1a40$@comcast.net> I always had a school eraser with one end split. I would put the lead of the component in the split and as I pulled it out I would twist it also. This cleaned up stuff on the lead prior to soldering back into the circuit. -- 73 Chuck AA8VS Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2018 17:54:11 -0400 From: "Charlie T" To: Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Resistor and capacitor installation techniques: trim before or after soldering? Message-ID: <005201d3c483$d1f87fc0$75e97f40$@erols.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" I only use "non-GMO enhanced" solder that is free-ranged. Also, only natural lead & pure tin mined by hand without polluting equipment is used with rosin (flux) from contented pine trees that have at least one wild endangered species bird nest in it. 73, Charlie k3ICH From mike.ab3ap at gmail.com Tue Mar 27 07:35:43 2018 From: mike.ab3ap at gmail.com (Mike Markowski) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2018 07:35:43 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Pie rack K-Line In-Reply-To: <00CC5155-B1D5-4AFB-8482-171C94D259B2@widomaker.com> References: <23daf820-8ebd-31ad-d30d-0545fcd40bc7@gmail.com> <00CC5155-B1D5-4AFB-8482-171C94D259B2@widomaker.com> Message-ID: Thanks, guys, for the replies and comments. Bill nr4c, yes, I can reach controls by having each device slid forward so that its front panel is just beyond the shelf front edge. The only issue is that the K3 tends to slide back a little when a push/hold for a button's 2nd function is wanted. I need a non-skid surface between the K3 and shelf. 73, Mike ab3ap On Mon, Mar 26, 2018 at 11:53 PM, Nr4c wrote: > Looks nice but can you get to the controls? > > Sent from my iPhone > ...nr4c. bill > > > > On Mar 26, 2018, at 9:36 PM, Mike Markowski > wrote: > > > > I found an economical way to go vertical with my Elecraft gear and save > some desk space. It's slightly off-beat - which suits me :-) - and I'm > very happy with both cost and quality. For any also interested in stacking > their gear without the expense of rack mounting: > > > > http://udel.edu/~mm/ham/elecraft/rack/ > > > > 73, > > Mike ab3ap > > From dobox at suddenlink.net Tue Mar 27 09:34:23 2018 From: dobox at suddenlink.net (David Box) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2018 08:34:23 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 #49 Arrived and WOW!!! In-Reply-To: <9601B036-4552-4A39-BF2E-DF28E20B070E@gmail.com> References: <182D12AE-A780-4C57-9FD4-A72854A8AA2D@gmail.com> <9601B036-4552-4A39-BF2E-DF28E20B070E@gmail.com> Message-ID: <638f9dbf-2a7a-8d53-8236-74a56c55522c@suddenlink.net> I received KPA1500 SN49 around 16:30 on Monday. Unpacking was no problem using the "inverted" approach.? UPS driver placed the package inside my garage where I did the unpacking. First removed accessory box, then carefully folded back the flaps, laid it on side and then raised it inverted to lift off the outer packing box.? I have some major back issues so was concerned about this and it was no problem. In the inverted position the KPA1500 is the "top" box, very easy lift out of its packing and the carry handle makes carrying into shack easy.? The power supply is really light with no problem as it is 5 lbs lighter than RF deck, the carrying handle is a nice touch.? I had to move my Drake L7 to clear space and the comparison in weights is dramatic. Cable lengths are more than adequate to handle the power supply under the desk and KPA1500 sitting about 18 inches to left of the P3. Powered up with no issues so now the fun of bringing it fully on line, starting on dummy and then move to the antenna once I have run through some power and linearity tests. Sure looks sweet!! Dave K5MWR On 3/24/2018 1:01 PM, GRANT YOUNGMAN wrote: > It occurred to me, even better than a big amp, would be an Elecraft KSS-1? a sunspot. Would be a big seller! The more the merrier :-) > >> On Mar 24, 2018, at 1:51 PM, Jim Miller wrote: >> >> Checks out full power all bands! >> >> Bring on the DX!! >> > Grant NQ5T > K3 #2091, KX3 #8342 > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dobox at suddenlink.net From jtmiller47 at gmail.com Tue Mar 27 09:47:55 2018 From: jtmiller47 at gmail.com (Jim Miller) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2018 09:47:55 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 #39 in operation! In-Reply-To: <182D12AE-A780-4C57-9FD4-A72854A8AA2D@gmail.com> References: <182D12AE-A780-4C57-9FD4-A72854A8AA2D@gmail.com> Message-ID: Chalk up two JA contacts via 6M EME to the KPA1500#39!! JG1TSG and JG2BRI gave me good signal reports and completed with me. JA7QVI and I ran out of moon before completion. KPA1500 handled the full power 47 second key down cycles with no problem. Earlier in the day UR0MC, S59A and G8BCG gave me good signal reports but I was unable to hear any of them through the noise in that direction. Just a 6M7 with azimuth only here up 65ft and buried in the oak forest behind my house. 73 jim ab3cv On Sat, Mar 24, 2018 at 1:51 PM, Jim Miller wrote: > Checks out full power all bands! > > Bring on the DX!! > > 73 > > Jim ab3cv > From chandlerusm at gmail.com Tue Mar 27 10:06:27 2018 From: chandlerusm at gmail.com (Chuck Chandler) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2018 09:06:27 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] N1MM+ logger Message-ID: Somewhere I read a "cheat sheet" page for setting up my K3S with N1MM+ Logger. I'm installing N1MM+ on a new PC and can't find the cheat sheet anymore. Does this ring a bell with anyone? Would anyone have a copy or a link they could share? 73 de Chuck, WS1L -- =================== Chuck Chandler chandlerusm at gmail.com =================== From maxrcul at gmail.com Tue Mar 27 10:32:30 2018 From: maxrcul at gmail.com (Bill DeVore) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2018 10:32:30 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Win4K3 suite Message-ID: I posted the question in the QRZ and eHam forums but only got one response so far. I?m evaluating the latest edition of Win4K3 and I?m not sure I see the advantage of controlling the K Line through software as compared to doing so directly. I want to be fair to the author so what am I missing that others see so advantageous? Bill - W3PNM From k3ndm at comcast.net Tue Mar 27 11:12:06 2018 From: k3ndm at comcast.net (Barry) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2018 11:12:06 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Win4K3 suite In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <351D7415-84D1-413C-8D13-34481752E0EA@comcast.net> Bill, It's more than just software control of the hardware. For instance, it allows for a really tight integration of spotting software, logging, contest software. All of this limited or biased toward how you operate or what you are primarily after. I personally use manual and software as a function of convenience at that moment. But, I have no problem clicking on a spot and having everything go there and waiting for me, to include setting up logging. You might just view this as just another tool in the kit to maximize your operating. 73, Barry K3NDM On March 27, 2018 10:32:30 AM EDT, Bill DeVore wrote: >I posted the question in the QRZ and eHam forums but only got one >response so far. > >I?m evaluating the latest edition of Win4K3 and I?m not sure I see the >advantage of controlling the K Line through software as compared to >doing so directly. > >I want to be fair to the author so what am I missing that others see so >advantageous? > >Bill - W3PNM >______________________________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >Message delivered to k3ndm at comcast.net -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. From k9jri at mac.com Tue Mar 27 11:11:39 2018 From: k9jri at mac.com (Michael Blake) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2018 11:11:39 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Win4K3 suite In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1A5D6693-635B-4AD6-849F-763054E77220@mac.com> Bill, I have used Win4K3 from almost the first version of the product. I use it with my KX3, K3s and KPA500 and sometimes link my Expert Electronics ColibriNANO SDR receiver for use as a panadapter in addition to my P3. I find it very useful when looking at or changing configuration settings on the K3s or KX3, such as EQ settings, but I do not use it on a daily basis as an interface to the radios. I find the knobs and buttons on the equipment to be more intuitive for normal operations. It is a very good tool to have for specific functions but I do not find it desirable to use in lieu of the radio?s controls on a daily basis. Good software, well done, great support, good functionality but not a daily driver in my shack. I am neither a DXer nor a Contester which may make a difference. Very73 - Mike - K9JRI > On Mar 27, 2018, at 10:32 AM, Bill DeVore wrote: > > I posted the question in the QRZ and eHam forums but only got one response so far. > > I?m evaluating the latest edition of Win4K3 and I?m not sure I see the advantage of controlling the K Line through software as compared to doing so directly. > > I want to be fair to the author so what am I missing that others see so advantageous? > > Bill - W3PNM > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k9jri at mac.com From kl7uw at acsalaska.net Tue Mar 27 12:04:30 2018 From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2018 08:04:30 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Subject: Re: KPA1500 #39 in operation! Message-ID: <201803271604.w2RG4WNI025217@mail42c28.carrierzone.com> Jim, I also saw your report on MoonNet reflector. I guess with many getting the KPA1500 more 6m-eme activity may result. I have a few 6m contact made on the Moon with a six-element modified KLM antenna and 1000w from a Harris TV amp. I found the single antenna limiting in Rx. Had many reports seeing my JT65a signal with that set up. Antenna was removed to increase tower to 39-foot last fall and a hand injury halted the project to put up two antennas until this May (spring in AK). www.kl7uw.com/6M-EMELOG.pdf Recently, I decided to upgrade to two G0KSC LFA yagis (7LFA2 WOS). That will provide an expected 15.75 dBi of gain (about 4 dB more than the single KLM). I use an ARR Gasfet preamp at the tower to help Rx as much as possible. Previously saw large 6m stations using just the PR6 installed on my K3, but the external preamp helps. All my successful 6m-eme contacts were working 2x or 4x antenna stations, so hoping two antenna array will increase gain enough for working single yagi stations (probably with benefit of ground-gain). New array will have elevation capability. Hope to work you on 6m-eme, Jim. 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com/6m.htm Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2018 09:47:55 -0400 From: Jim Miller To: "Elecraft at mailman.qth.net" Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA1500 #39 in operation! Chalk up two JA contacts via 6M EME to the KPA1500#39!! JG1TSG and JG2BRI gave me good signal reports and completed with me. JA7QVI and I ran out of moon before completion. KPA1500 handled the full power 47 second key down cycles with no problem. Earlier in the day UR0MC, S59A and G8BCG gave me good signal reports but I was unable to hear any of them through the noise in that direction. Just a 6M7 with azimuth only here up 65ft and buried in the oak forest behind my house. 73 jim ab3cv 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com Dubus-NA Business mail: dubususa at gmail.com From ke8g.jim at gmail.com Tue Mar 27 12:29:59 2018 From: ke8g.jim at gmail.com (Jim Blanca) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2018 12:29:59 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Win4K3 suite In-Reply-To: <1A5D6693-635B-4AD6-849F-763054E77220@mac.com> References: <1A5D6693-635B-4AD6-849F-763054E77220@mac.com> Message-ID: I use it extensively for remote operation of my K3. Almost as good as having the rig in front of you! 73 de Jim - KE8G On Tue, Mar 27, 2018 at 11:11 AM, Michael Blake wrote: > Bill, I have used Win4K3 from almost the first version of the product. I > use it with my KX3, K3s and KPA500 and sometimes link my Expert Electronics > ColibriNANO SDR receiver for use as a panadapter in addition to my P3. > > I find it very useful when looking at or changing configuration settings > on the K3s or KX3, such as EQ settings, but I do not use it on a daily > basis as an interface to the radios. I find the knobs and buttons on the > equipment to be more intuitive for normal operations. It is a very good > tool to have for specific functions but I do not find it desirable to use > in lieu of the radio?s controls on a daily basis. > > Good software, well done, great support, good functionality but not a > daily driver in my shack. I am neither a DXer nor a Contester which may > make a difference. > > Very73 - Mike - K9JRI > > > > > > > > On Mar 27, 2018, at 10:32 AM, Bill DeVore wrote: > > > > I posted the question in the QRZ and eHam forums but only got one > response so far. > > > > I?m evaluating the latest edition of Win4K3 and I?m not sure I see the > advantage of controlling the K Line through software as compared to doing > so directly. > > > > I want to be fair to the author so what am I missing that others see so > advantageous? > > > > Bill - W3PNM > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to k9jri at mac.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to ke8g.jim at gmail.com > From ed.n5dg at gmail.com Tue Mar 27 12:51:12 2018 From: ed.n5dg at gmail.com (Ed Stallman) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2018 11:51:12 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] FS KXV3A board Xverter / RX in/out / IF out Message-ID: I replaced this board in my K3 to the new KXV3B board . Everything is included , Connector Panel, TMP Cable, Hardware and instruction Manual . I will ship to you in the USA $30.00 PayPal . Please reply off list http://www.elecraft.com/manual/E740140%20KXV3A%20Option%20Installation%20Rev%20B.pdf Ed N5DG --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. http://www.avg.com From w4nz at comcast.net Tue Mar 27 13:01:25 2018 From: w4nz at comcast.net (Ted Bryant) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2018 13:01:25 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] N1MM+ logger In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <009c01d3c5ed$3eaad360$bc007a20$@comcast.net> Try this: 73, Ted W4NZ -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Chuck Chandler Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2018 10:06 AM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] N1MM+ logger Somewhere I read a "cheat sheet" page for setting up my K3S with N1MM+ Logger. I'm installing N1MM+ on a new PC and can't find the cheat sheet anymore. Does this ring a bell with anyone? Would anyone have a copy or a link they could share? 73 de Chuck, WS1L -- =================== Chuck Chandler chandlerusm at gmail.com =================== From g8kbvdave at googlemail.com Tue Mar 27 13:15:15 2018 From: g8kbvdave at googlemail.com (Dave B) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2018 18:15:15 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] [Elecraft Digest] Pie rack K-Line In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <39c799a2-5165-7532-2c8b-7e924caa6f2e@googlemail.com> On 27/03/18 16:12, elecraft-request at mailman.qth.net wrote: > Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2018 21:36:07 -0400 > From: Mike Markowski > To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: [Elecraft] Pie rack K-Line > Message-ID: <23daf820-8ebd-31ad-d30d-0545fcd40bc7 at gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > > I found an economical way to go vertical with my Elecraft gear and save > some desk space. It's slightly off-beat - which suits me :-) - and I'm > very happy with both cost and quality. For any also interested in > stacking their gear without the expense of rack mounting: > > http://udel.edu/~mm/ham/elecraft/rack/ > > 73, > Mike ab3ap ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Nicely done! Dave G0WBX. -- Created on and sent from a Unix like PC running and using free and open source software: From bbaines at mac.com Tue Mar 27 13:48:12 2018 From: bbaines at mac.com (Barry Baines) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2018 12:48:12 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Win4K3 suite In-Reply-To: References: <1A5D6693-635B-4AD6-849F-763054E77220@mac.com> Message-ID: <2B884975-127F-4229-B0D6-DE3858CEE3E2@mac.com> Jim: > On Mar 27, 2018, at 11:29 AM, Jim Blanca wrote: > > I use it extensively for remote operation of my K3. Almost as good as > having the rig in front of you! Would you clarify what you mean by ?remote operation of my K3?? By remote, are you utilizing Win4K3 to control your K3 within the local network where the K3 resides (such as from a different location in your home) or are you accessing your K3 from outside the home network such as from another home or hot spot? If you?re using the K3 from outside the home network, how is your setup configured to connect to the K3 remotely using Win4K3? What drives my question is whether PC-based software such as Win4K3 offers features or capabilities that may supplement what the K3/O-Mini and Remote Rig offers in terms of ?remote operation? from a location outside the home where the ham station is located. 73, Barry Baines, WD4ASW Keller, TX > > 73 de Jim - KE8G > From k2asp at kanafi.org Tue Mar 27 14:09:30 2018 From: k2asp at kanafi.org (Phil Kane) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2018 11:09:30 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Pie rack K-Line In-Reply-To: <23daf820-8ebd-31ad-d30d-0545fcd40bc7@gmail.com> References: <23daf820-8ebd-31ad-d30d-0545fcd40bc7@gmail.com> Message-ID: On 3/26/2018 6:36 PM, Mike Markowski wrote: > I found an economical way to go vertical with my Elecraft gear and save > some desk space.? It's slightly off-beat - which suits me :-) - and I'm > very happy with both cost and quality.? For any also interested in > stacking their gear without the expense of rack mounting: > > ?? http://udel.edu/~mm/ham/elecraft/rack/ I've been using that system with 24" shelves for five years. Two shelves wide and three stacked high holds my K2/100/AT and accessories as well as several VHF/UHF transceivers and TNCs, two "heavyweight" ICOM Communications Receivers, and a full-width DC power distribution and metering panel. I got the idea from the Beaverton ARES installation that used it several years before that. "There's nothing new under the sun...." ---- 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane Elecraft K2/100 s/n 5402 >From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon From lightdazzled at gmail.com Tue Mar 27 14:36:25 2018 From: lightdazzled at gmail.com (Chip Stratton) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2018 18:36:25 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] K2 key autodetect problems Message-ID: I have the external circuit using two diodes to allow the K2 to detect when a straight key is used instead of the paddles. Occasionally with the paddle plugged in but not keyed, the K2 will spontaneously start sending a string of dashes. This will terminate, sometimes only briefly, when I do key the paddle. It happens even when K2 transmit power is turned all the way down, and I've never had trouble with RF in the shack. Both diodes test fine, at 0.64V drop forward, and no detectable leakage reverse. The paddle also tests fine, both lines open when it isn't being keyed, and likewise the autodetect box shows no shorts to the ohmmeter. Ideas? 73 Chip AE5KA From k2vco.vic at gmail.com Tue Mar 27 15:12:03 2018 From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2018 22:12:03 +0300 Subject: [Elecraft] K2 key autodetect problems In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Does it happen when the paddle is NOT plugged in? If not, suspect the paddle jack. FWIW, I also used this method to allow the K2 to be keyed by the N1MM program. I mounted the diodes on the control board of the K2 and brought out the keying line via the ALC pin on the DE9 connector, since I never use ALC. My K2-to-computer cable has the DTR line connected to the (formerly) ALC pin, and I set N1MM to key it via DTR. Anyway, I never had any trouble with this system. I think I used Schottky diodes which had a somewhat lower forward voltage. 73, Victor, 4X6GP Rehovot, Israel Formerly K2VCO http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/ On 27 Mar 2018 21:36, Chip Stratton wrote: > I have the external circuit using two diodes to allow the K2 to detect when > a straight key is used instead of the paddles. Occasionally with the paddle > plugged in but not keyed, the K2 will spontaneously start sending a string > of dashes. This will terminate, sometimes only briefly, when I do key the > paddle. It happens even when K2 transmit power is turned all the way down, > and I've never had trouble with RF in the shack. > > Both diodes test fine, at 0.64V drop forward, and no detectable leakage > reverse. The paddle also tests fine, both lines open when it isn't being > keyed, and likewise the autodetect box shows no shorts to the ohmmeter. > > Ideas? > > 73 > Chip > AE5KA From rmcgraw at blomand.net Tue Mar 27 15:51:31 2018 From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2018 14:51:31 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Pie Rack K Line In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <61bdd0b4-901d-3f45-5d37-eed6f79f7041@blomand.net> Mike: Very nice implementation.?? Thanks for sharing. 73 Bob, K4TAX On 3/27/2018 10:12 AM, elecraft-request at mailman.qth.net wrote: > Message: 5 > Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2018 21:36:07 -0400 > From: Mike Markowski > To:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: [Elecraft] Pie rack K-Line > Message-ID:<23daf820-8ebd-31ad-d30d-0545fcd40bc7 at gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > > I found an economical way to go vertical with my Elecraft gear and save > some desk space. It's slightly off-beat - which suits me:-) - and I'm > very happy with both cost and quality. For any also interested in > stacking their gear without the expense of rack mounting: > > http://udel.edu/~mm/ham/elecraft/rack/ > > 73, > Mike ab3ap From dick at elecraft.com Tue Mar 27 16:06:01 2018 From: dick at elecraft.com (dick at elecraft.com) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2018 13:06:01 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Pie rack K-Line In-Reply-To: References: <23daf820-8ebd-31ad-d30d-0545fcd40bc7@gmail.com> Message-ID: <00c801d3c607$07f60230$17e20690$@elecraft.com> Very nice, John! I use bamboo/steel 3-leel shoe racks, Seville Classic 811302. They're sturdy enough for the amp. The bamboo smell goes away after a few days... https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=Seville+Classic+3+Tier+Bamboo+Shoe+Rack &FORM=IDINTS I like the look of yours, though. I'm more horizontal than vertical. 73 de Dick, K6KR -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of John Nogatch Sent: Monday, March 26, 2018 18:56 Cc: Elecraft list Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Pie rack K-Line >> On Mar 26, 2018, at 6:36 PM, Mike Markowski wrote: >> I found an economical way to go vertical with my Elecraft gear and save some desk space. ... >> http://udel.edu/~mm/ham/elecraft/rack/ Yes, I like those chrome plated metal racks. I have used several of them to make my operating desk strong and stable, and provide shelf space for heavy battery, power supply, etc.. To stack the radios on top of the desk, I used PVC, as shown about 1/3 into this presentation: https://www.slvarc.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/Homebrew_2015.pdf -John AC6SL ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to dick at elecraft.com From wunder at wunderwood.org Tue Mar 27 16:11:07 2018 From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2018 13:11:07 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Pie rack K-Line In-Reply-To: <00c801d3c607$07f60230$17e20690$@elecraft.com> References: <23daf820-8ebd-31ad-d30d-0545fcd40bc7@gmail.com> <00c801d3c607$07f60230$17e20690$@elecraft.com> Message-ID: The shoe rack is a brilliant idea! Hmm, I?m getting cat food on the way home, and Bed, Bath, and Beyond is next to PetSmart? I have a lot of those steel racks in the garage for general storage. wunder K6WRU Walter Underwood CM87wj http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) > On Mar 27, 2018, at 1:06 PM, wrote: > > Very nice, John! > > I use bamboo/steel 3-leel shoe racks, Seville Classic 811302. They're sturdy > enough for the amp. The bamboo smell goes away after a few days... > > https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=Seville+Classic+3+Tier+Bamboo+Shoe+Rack > &FORM=IDINTS > > I like the look of yours, though. I'm more horizontal than vertical. > > 73 de Dick, K6KR > > > -----Original Message----- > From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net On > Behalf Of John Nogatch > Sent: Monday, March 26, 2018 18:56 > Cc: Elecraft list > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Pie rack K-Line > >>> On Mar 26, 2018, at 6:36 PM, Mike Markowski wrote: >>> I found an economical way to go vertical with my Elecraft gear and save > some desk space. ... >>> http://udel.edu/~mm/ham/elecraft/rack/ > > Yes, I like those chrome plated metal racks. I have used several of them to > make my operating desk strong and stable, and provide shelf space for heavy > battery, power supply, etc.. > > To stack the radios on top of the desk, I used PVC, as shown about 1/3 into > this presentation: > > https://www.slvarc.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/Homebrew_2015.pdf > > -John AC6SL > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message > delivered to dick at elecraft.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wunder at wunderwood.org From ve2fww at globetrotter.net Tue Mar 27 16:12:05 2018 From: ve2fww at globetrotter.net (NOEL POULIN) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2018 16:12:05 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] krc2 jumpers setting ..help Message-ID: <54631206-dd8d-ebd1-5c75-a62200c3f73d@globetrotter.net> Hi, I am having a hard time with the KRC2 band decoder jumper settings for a KENWOOD TS590SG.. Here is my setting according to the KRC2 manual (page 23)..for kenwood radio pc logging in use, data? rate 19200 bps INSTALLED REMOVED w3,w6,w8?????????????????????????????????????????????? w1,w2,w7,w11, w12,w13,w14,w15,w16,w17,w18,w19,w20 w9,w10,w21,w22,w23. No luck with settings...... The logging software is talking to the radio when the decoder is not between the radio and the pc....but when I connect the KRC2, no results, the logging software can't talk to the radio at all.... What have I done wrong ??? Help will be more than welcome... Many thanks Noel From rbajuk at gmail.com Tue Mar 27 16:31:23 2018 From: rbajuk at gmail.com (Robert Bajuk) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2018 22:31:23 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] krc2 jumpers setting ..help In-Reply-To: <54631206-dd8d-ebd1-5c75-a62200c3f73d@globetrotter.net> References: <54631206-dd8d-ebd1-5c75-a62200c3f73d@globetrotter.net> Message-ID: Hi Noel, I can share my settings which work just fine with TS480 (it should work also with TS590 models)... N1MM talks just fine with the radio with KRC in the middle You need some small modification inside KRC2.... Here are the settings for 19200 baud-rate Jumpers IN: 3, 6, 8, 9, 10, and 21, 22, 23 Jumpers 14 & 17 bridged with voltage from pin 7 of U2 fed to this jumper (~2" piece of wire). Hope it will solve your problem, try it and report back 73 Robert, S57AW On Tue, Mar 27, 2018 at 10:12 PM, NOEL POULIN wrote: > Hi, > I am having a hard time with the KRC2 band decoder jumper settings for a > KENWOOD TS590SG.. > Here is my setting according to the KRC2 manual (page 23)..for kenwood > radio pc logging in use, data rate 19200 bps > INSTALLED REMOVED > w3,w6,w8 w1,w2,w7,w11, > w12,w13,w14,w15,w16,w17,w18,w19,w20 > w9,w10,w21,w22,w23. > No luck with settings...... > The logging software is talking to the radio when the decoder is not > between the radio and the pc....but when I connect the KRC2, no results, > the logging software can't talk to the radio at all.... > > What have I done wrong ??? > Help will be more than welcome... > Many thanks > Noel > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to rbajuk at gmail.com From dick at elecraft.com Tue Mar 27 17:23:07 2018 From: dick at elecraft.com (dick at elecraft.com) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2018 14:23:07 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Pie rack K-Line In-Reply-To: References: <23daf820-8ebd-31ad-d30d-0545fcd40bc7@gmail.com> <00c801d3c607$07f60230$17e20690$@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <000a01d3c611$cd75a7e0$6860f7a0$@elecraft.com> Some models are sturdier than others. The newer ones I have are much more rigid and don't sag (much) with the weight of one of our amplifiers. The slats on my earlier ones are about 1" wide with maybe 1/2" gaps in between. The slats on the sturdier ones are 3" wide, and there are three slats. Mine have item # 811302, but I don't find that on the web now. I paid about $29 each, I think. 73 de Dick, K6KR -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of Walter Underwood Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2018 13:11 To: Elecraft list Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Pie rack K-Line The shoe rack is a brilliant idea! Hmm, I?m getting cat food on the way home, and Bed, Bath, and Beyond is next to PetSmart? I have a lot of those steel racks in the garage for general storage. wunder K6WRU Walter Underwood CM87wj http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) > On Mar 27, 2018, at 1:06 PM, wrote: > > Very nice, John! > > I use bamboo/steel 3-leel shoe racks, Seville Classic 811302. They're > sturdy enough for the amp. The bamboo smell goes away after a few days... > > https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=Seville+Classic+3+Tier+Bamboo+Sho > e+Rack > &FORM=IDINTS > > I like the look of yours, though. I'm more horizontal than vertical. > > 73 de Dick, K6KR > > > -----Original Message----- > From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net > On Behalf Of John Nogatch > Sent: Monday, March 26, 2018 18:56 > Cc: Elecraft list > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Pie rack K-Line > >>> On Mar 26, 2018, at 6:36 PM, Mike Markowski wrote: >>> I found an economical way to go vertical with my Elecraft gear and >>> save > some desk space. ... >>> http://udel.edu/~mm/ham/elecraft/rack/ > > Yes, I like those chrome plated metal racks. I have used several of > them to make my operating desk strong and stable, and provide shelf > space for heavy battery, power supply, etc.. > > To stack the radios on top of the desk, I used PVC, as shown about 1/3 > into this presentation: > > https://www.slvarc.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/Homebrew_2015.pdf > > -John AC6SL > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > dick at elecraft.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > wunder at wunderwood.org ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to dick at elecraft.com From donwilh at embarqmail.com Tue Mar 27 17:42:51 2018 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2018 17:42:51 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] ATTN - Bob Rayno WG1X Message-ID: Sorry for the bandwidth folks. Bob, Do you have an alternate email address? I am having trouble sending a response to you. The mail failure notice says "Abuse" is the reason. 73, Don W3FPR From donwilh at embarqmail.com Tue Mar 27 17:56:59 2018 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2018 17:56:59 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K2 key autodetect problems In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Chip, A string of dashes means somehow the dash line is being activated (or grounded) - normally the ring contact on the key plug unless you have reversed the paddles. Do you have the key plug inserted all the way? Put a bare stereo plug in the key jack and read the voltage on the tip and ring - you should see 5 volts. Look at the R1 and R2 resistors on the RF Board next to the key jack, they should both be 220 ohms (they may be easier seen by removing the left side panel). If that is all good, consider replacing the diodes with Schottkey diodes. 73, Don W3FPR On 3/27/2018 2:36 PM, Chip Stratton wrote: > I have the external circuit using two diodes to allow the K2 to detect when > a straight key is used instead of the paddles. Occasionally with the paddle > plugged in but not keyed, the K2 will spontaneously start sending a string > of dashes. This will terminate, sometimes only briefly, when I do key the > paddle. It happens even when K2 transmit power is turned all the way down, > and I've never had trouble with RF in the shack. > > Both diodes test fine, at 0.64V drop forward, and no detectable leakage > reverse. The paddle also tests fine, both lines open when it isn't being > keyed, and likewise the autodetect box shows no shorts to the ohmmeter. > > Ideas? > > 73 > Chip > AE5KA > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to donwilh at embarqmail.com > From mike.harris at horizon.co.fk Tue Mar 27 18:57:03 2018 From: mike.harris at horizon.co.fk (Mike Harris) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2018 19:57:03 -0300 Subject: [Elecraft] K2 key autodetect problems In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Chip, Not saying this is your problem but my Bencher twin paddles started going random nuts. The contact gap is small, less than the thickness of a sheet of 70gm paper. During keying it would stick one side or the other. It turned out to be the screws fastening the contact pillars not being tight. I guess over the years the plastic insulating washers must have compressed allowing the pillars to imperceptibly move. Since tightening them, the only problem with the paddles is me. Regards, Mike VP8NO On 27/03/2018 15:36, Chip Stratton wrote: > I have the external circuit using two diodes to allow the K2 to detect when > a straight key is used instead of the paddles. Occasionally with the paddle > plugged in but not keyed, the K2 will spontaneously start sending a string > of dashes. This will terminate, sometimes only briefly, when I do key the > paddle. It happens even when K2 transmit power is turned all the way down, > and I've never had trouble with RF in the shack. From pincon at erols.com Tue Mar 27 20:54:54 2018 From: pincon at erols.com (Charlie T) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2018 20:54:54 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Pie Rack K Line In-Reply-To: <61bdd0b4-901d-3f45-5d37-eed6f79f7041@blomand.net> References: <61bdd0b4-901d-3f45-5d37-eed6f79f7041@blomand.net> Message-ID: <000301d3c62f$65f00e30$31d02a90$@erols.com> Good air-flow too....WAY better than solid shelves. Chas -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of Bob McGraw K4TAX Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2018 3:52 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] Pie Rack K Line Mike: Very nice implementation. Thanks for sharing. 73 Bob, K4TAX On 3/27/2018 10:12 AM, elecraft-request at mailman.qth.net wrote: > Message: 5 > Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2018 21:36:07 -0400 > From: Mike Markowski To:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: [Elecraft] Pie rack K-Line > Message-ID:<23daf820-8ebd-31ad-d30d-0545fcd40bc7 at gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > > I found an economical way to go vertical with my Elecraft gear and > save some desk space. It's slightly off-beat - which suits me:-) - > and I'm very happy with both cost and quality. For any also > interested in stacking their gear without the expense of rack mounting: > > http://udel.edu/~mm/ham/elecraft/rack/ > > 73, > Mike ab3ap ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to pincon at erols.com From lightdazzled at gmail.com Tue Mar 27 21:16:18 2018 From: lightdazzled at gmail.com (Chip Stratton) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2018 21:16:18 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K2 key autodetect problems In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Great ideas to investigate, guys. I'll have to look into it over the next week. The problem never occurs with paddles unplugged, and I haven't seen it happen when plugged directly into the key jack on the radio. I'll report back when I figure it out, or if I don't! 73 Chip AE5KA On Tue, Mar 27, 2018 at 6:57 PM, Mike Harris wrote: > Hi Chip, > > Not saying this is your problem but my Bencher twin paddles started going > random nuts. The contact gap is small, less than the thickness of a sheet > of 70gm paper. During keying it would stick one side or the other. It > turned out to be the screws fastening the contact pillars not being tight. > I guess over the years the plastic insulating washers must have compressed > allowing the pillars to imperceptibly move. > > Since tightening them, the only problem with the paddles is me. > > Regards, > > Mike VP8NO > > On 27/03/2018 15:36, Chip Stratton wrote: > >> I have the external circuit using two diodes to allow the K2 to detect >> when >> a straight key is used instead of the paddles. Occasionally with the >> paddle >> plugged in but not keyed, the K2 will spontaneously start sending a >> string >> of dashes. This will terminate, sometimes only briefly, when I do key the >> paddle. It happens even when K2 transmit power is turned all the way down, >> and I've never had trouble with RF in the shack. >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to lightdazzled at gmail.com > From ppauly at gmail.com Tue Mar 27 21:30:07 2018 From: ppauly at gmail.com (Peter Pauly) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2018 21:30:07 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Pie rack K-Line In-Reply-To: <000a01d3c611$cd75a7e0$6860f7a0$@elecraft.com> References: <23daf820-8ebd-31ad-d30d-0545fcd40bc7@gmail.com> <00c801d3c607$07f60230$17e20690$@elecraft.com> <000a01d3c611$cd75a7e0$6860f7a0$@elecraft.com> Message-ID: What did you use for shelf liners? Were the lines also ordered from shelving.com? On Tue, Mar 27, 2018 at 5:23 PM, wrote: > Some models are sturdier than others. The newer ones I have are much more > rigid and don't sag (much) with the weight of one of our amplifiers. The > slats on my earlier ones are about 1" wide with maybe 1/2" gaps in between. > The slats on the sturdier ones are 3" wide, and there are three slats. > Mine have item # 811302, but I don't find that on the web now. I paid about > $29 each, I think. > > 73 de Dick, K6KR > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net > On Behalf Of Walter Underwood > Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2018 13:11 > To: Elecraft list > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Pie rack K-Line > > The shoe rack is a brilliant idea! > > Hmm, I?m getting cat food on the way home, and Bed, Bath, and Beyond is > next to PetSmart? > > I have a lot of those steel racks in the garage for general storage. > > wunder > K6WRU > Walter Underwood > CM87wj > http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) > > > On Mar 27, 2018, at 1:06 PM, > wrote: > > > > Very nice, John! > > > > I use bamboo/steel 3-leel shoe racks, Seville Classic 811302. They're > > sturdy enough for the amp. The bamboo smell goes away after a few days... > > > > https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=Seville+Classic+3+Tier+Bamboo+Sho > > e+Rack > > &FORM=IDINTS > > > > I like the look of yours, though. I'm more horizontal than vertical. > > > > 73 de Dick, K6KR > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net > > On Behalf Of John Nogatch > > Sent: Monday, March 26, 2018 18:56 > > Cc: Elecraft list > > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Pie rack K-Line > > > >>> On Mar 26, 2018, at 6:36 PM, Mike Markowski > wrote: > >>> I found an economical way to go vertical with my Elecraft gear and > >>> save > > some desk space. ... > >>> http://udel.edu/~mm/ham/elecraft/rack/ > > > > Yes, I like those chrome plated metal racks. I have used several of > > them to make my operating desk strong and stable, and provide shelf > > space for heavy battery, power supply, etc.. > > > > To stack the radios on top of the desk, I used PVC, as shown about 1/3 > > into this presentation: > > > > https://www.slvarc.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/Homebrew_2015.pdf > > > > -John AC6SL > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > > dick at elecraft.com > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > > wunder at wunderwood.org > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dick at elecraft.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to ppauly at gmail.com From k2asp at kanafi.org Tue Mar 27 21:57:40 2018 From: k2asp at kanafi.org (Phil Kane) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2018 18:57:40 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Pie rack K-Line In-Reply-To: References: <23daf820-8ebd-31ad-d30d-0545fcd40bc7@gmail.com> <00c801d3c607$07f60230$17e20690$@elecraft.com> <000a01d3c611$cd75a7e0$6860f7a0$@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <1c154c69-4dd4-765b-d67a-a71762f7f805@kanafi.org> On 3/27/2018 6:30 PM, Peter Pauly wrote: > What did you use for shelf liners? 1/8" hardboard cut to size. There is also "crinkle" rubber shelf lining material that can be used on top of the hardboard if necessary (I didn't need it). > Were the lines also ordered from shelving.com? Home Despot. -- -- 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane From jmaass at k8nd.com Tue Mar 27 23:03:17 2018 From: jmaass at k8nd.com (Jeffrey Maass) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2018 23:03:17 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Disk Stand for K3/0 ? Message-ID: <01b601d3c641$52ba20a0$f82e61e0$@k8nd.com> Does someone make a desk stand for the K3/0, preferably one that allows the tilt angle of the front panel to be adjusted? With cables out the back, it's an awkward device to position for use. Mine is leaned against a piece of Tupperware, and it's not very stable. It would seem a natural for a 3D printer project. 73, Jeff K8ND From donwilh at embarqmail.com Wed Mar 28 00:03:01 2018 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2018 00:03:01 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Win4K3 suite In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Bill, Win4K3 offers the possibility of remote operation. In addition, it offers virtual ports (COM0COM) to connect several other applications to the transceiver - like CW Skimmer and logger applications. There is a built-in panadapter and support for SDRplay. The rig control is only a small part to Win4K3, it has many other capabilities. 73, Don W3FPR On 3/27/2018 10:32 AM, Bill DeVore wrote: > I posted the question in the QRZ and eHam forums but only got one response so far. > > I?m evaluating the latest edition of Win4K3 and I?m not sure I see the advantage of controlling the K Line through software as compared to doing so directly. > > I want to be fair to the author so what am I missing that others see so advantageous? > > Bill - W3PNM > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to donwilh at embarqmail.com > From ebasilier at cox.net Wed Mar 28 00:41:35 2018 From: ebasilier at cox.net (Erik Basilier) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2018 21:41:35 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 powers off when after several minutes of 12W carrier Message-ID: <051401d3c64f$0df71910$29e54b30$@cox.net> I have been testing sustained power capabilities of wideband HF transformers for feeding EFHW antennas. This involves running high power through HF transformers back to back into a dummy load. When running 200W out of the KPA500, the K3 was indicating 12W, and I think that means the 100W PA was not operating. After a few minutes the K3 totally shut down. This had nothing to do with the transformers under test; I get the same result when running the KPA500 at 200W directly into the dummy load. After restart the K3 shows no sign of problem unless the 200W endurance test is run again. Then I increased power just a little bit so that the 100W stage kicked in. I got 300W out of the KPA500, and now the K3 keeps going without shutting down. I can see how 12W may be a bit much for the driver stage, but if so, shouldn't the 100W stage kick in sooner? Also, I expected the K3/KPA500 combo to be able to produce any power level I wanted within its range. What I see is that when the 100W stage kicks in, the output (as seen on an analog meter) makes a big jump so that certain power levels cannot be achieved. Thanks, Erik K7TV From ebasilier at cox.net Wed Mar 28 00:51:43 2018 From: ebasilier at cox.net (Erik Basilier) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2018 21:51:43 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 powers off when after several minutes of 12W carrier In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <051501d3c650$792a6060$6b7f2120$@cox.net> Same result if the K3 is run at 12W without the KPA500. This is a K3 I bought used; I guess I may have forgotten to check the power calibrations on it. Will try that next. 73, Erik K7TV -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of Erik Basilier Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2018 9:42 PM To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] K3 powers off when after several minutes of 12W carrier I have been testing sustained power capabilities of wideband HF transformers for feeding EFHW antennas. This involves running high power through HF transformers back to back into a dummy load. When running 200W out of the KPA500, the K3 was indicating 12W, and I think that means the 100W PA was not operating. After a few minutes the K3 totally shut down. This had nothing to do with the transformers under test; I get the same result when running the KPA500 at 200W directly into the dummy load. After restart the K3 shows no sign of problem unless the 200W endurance test is run again. Then I increased power just a little bit so that the 100W stage kicked in. I got 300W out of the KPA500, and now the K3 keeps going without shutting down. I can see how 12W may be a bit much for the driver stage, but if so, shouldn't the 100W stage kick in sooner? Also, I expected the K3/KPA500 combo to be able to produce any power level I wanted within its range. What I see is that when the 100W stage kicks in, the output (as seen on an analog meter) makes a big jump so that certain power levels cannot be achieved. Thanks, Erik K7TV ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ebasilier at cox.net From gareth.m5kvk at gmail.com Wed Mar 28 04:26:30 2018 From: gareth.m5kvk at gmail.com (Gareth M5KVK) Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2018 04:26:30 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: An interesting view of IPC-610 Message-ID: I noted a reference to IPC-610 in a recent thread on soldering. I thought readers might be interested in an 2011 article that takes a caustic view of IPC-610. TLDR: The work-inspect-rework mantra of IPC-610 is a recipe for reducing the reliability of assemblies: mainly due to heat stress caused by manual soldering being a higher-temperature operation that flow-soldering. You can read the article at https://www.assemblymag.com/blogs/14-assembly-blog/post/89217-the-curse-of-ipc-a-610-and-ipc-j-std-001 -- Gareth M5KVK From marklgoldberg at gmail.com Wed Mar 28 07:37:11 2018 From: marklgoldberg at gmail.com (Mark Goldberg) Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2018 11:37:11 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: An interesting view of IPC-610 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I am aware of that article and did reference the fact that some do not like these requirements. The author does not suggest an alternative. In the practice I have seen in the aerospace industry, there was not the large amount of rework described. The emphasis was on using correct processes to result in good solder joints the first time. Lots of other specs we're used and massive process development occurs in the manufacturing industry. The drive to take manufacturing overseas is due to lots of factors besides these specs. In my case, I use a reflow oven with controlled processes to produce good solder joints and only rework if it does not functioning, which is very rare. Reworking lead free SMT solder joints by hand would never produce ones as good as the reflow oven. Working with lead free solder by hand basically sucks, but that is another discussion. 73, Mark W7MLG On Mar 28, 2018 1:27 AM, "Gareth M5KVK" wrote: I noted a reference to IPC-610 in a recent thread on soldering. I thought readers might be interested in an 2011 article that takes a caustic view of IPC-610. TLDR: The work-inspect-rework mantra of IPC-610 is a recipe for reducing the reliability of assemblies: mainly due to heat stress caused by manual soldering being a higher-temperature operation that flow-soldering. You can read the article at https://www.assemblymag.com/blogs/14-assembly-blog/post/89217-the-curse-of-ipc-a-610-and-ipc-j-std-001 -- Gareth M5KVK ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to marklgoldberg at gmail.com From FlatHat at comcast.net Wed Mar 28 09:42:37 2018 From: FlatHat at comcast.net (Richard) Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2018 09:42:37 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Who's On First? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: A while back, someone commented upon the correct order in which to power up when running WSJT-X, but I can?t remember. It was either K3S first, then computer and software? or the other way around. Please refresh my memory. And, by the way, why is it the way it is? Cheers. Richard -- W4KBX From maxrcul at gmail.com Wed Mar 28 10:41:26 2018 From: maxrcul at gmail.com (Bill DeVore) Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2018 10:41:26 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Win4K3 Message-ID: Many thanks to those of you who answered my initial query regarding Win4K3. Tom, VA2FSK has reached out to me and answered my many additional questions! 73 - Bill - W3PNM From ed.n5dg at gmail.com Wed Mar 28 11:07:37 2018 From: ed.n5dg at gmail.com (Ed Stallman) Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2018 10:07:37 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] FS KXV3A board Xverter / RX in/out / IF out In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Gary and all on the list , I have sold the KXV3A board Ed N5DG On 3/27/2018 10:42 PM, Gary Hembree wrote: > Hi Ed, > I?m interested in your KXV3A board set if it?s still available. > 73 > Gary, N7IR --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. http://www.avg.com From bobdehaney at gmx.net Wed Mar 28 12:52:11 2018 From: bobdehaney at gmx.net (Bob DeHaney) Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2018 18:52:11 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] microHam Cahle DB37-EL-K3R Message-ID: <001101d3c6b5$203c0160$60b40420$@gmx.net> Looking for the subject DB37-EL-K3R cable. Shipping would be to my cousin in Florida as we'll be visiting next month. Payment with PayPal preferably. Vy 73 de Bob DJ0RD/WU5T (bobdehaney(at)gmx.net) --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From ve3iay at gmail.com Wed Mar 28 13:13:31 2018 From: ve3iay at gmail.com (Richard Ferch) Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2018 13:13:31 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Who's On First? Message-ID: That wasn't me, but...the optimum order is computer, then K3, then WSJT-X. The reasons: Well, obviously the computer has to come before the software. The process of starting up the computer causes various signal lines on the serial port used for radio control to be toggled briefly, which can cause annoying behaviour at the radio, so it is easier (although not essential) to have the computer already running when you start the radio. The WSJT-X software expects rig control to be working when it starts, otherwise it annoyingly prompts you to reconfigure, and the software won't actually start operating properly until the radio is turned on, so it is best to have the radio turned on before you start the software. 73, Rich VE3KI From nr4c at widomaker.com Wed Mar 28 13:47:18 2018 From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c) Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2018 13:47:18 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Who's On First? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <951DB274-D733-4FF3-81D8-1C5D9BD33982@widomaker.com> Computer first. (This initializes the com ports) Then radio. (Radio needs the com ports) Now the software. (Now that radio has its necessary connections, start the software which can now find the radio and other necessary connections. ) Sent from my iPhone ...nr4c. bill > On Mar 28, 2018, at 1:13 PM, Richard Ferch wrote: > > That wasn't me, but...the optimum order is computer, then K3, then WSJT-X. > > The reasons: Well, obviously the computer has to come before the software. > The process of starting up the computer causes various signal lines on the > serial port used for radio control to be toggled briefly, which can cause > annoying behaviour at the radio, so it is easier (although not essential) > to have the computer already running when you start the radio. The WSJT-X > software expects rig control to be working when it starts, otherwise it > annoyingly prompts you to reconfigure, and the software won't actually > start operating properly until the radio is turned on, so it is best to > have the radio turned on before you start the software. > > 73, > Rich VE3KI > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to nr4c at widomaker.com From pd7rb.rb at gmail.com Wed Mar 28 14:33:15 2018 From: pd7rb.rb at gmail.com (Robert) Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2018 20:33:15 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] No K3 TX SSB audio after sub install Message-ID: Barry, Lyle and others, It's exactly what went wrong. Got an e-mail from Elecraft as well and same suggestions as you mentioned. Problem solved. It's a bit difficult to see, but at least 1 or 2 pins were not inside the 5-pin socket near the volume pots. You better use a light to check it. Re-installed again, checked and then tested it and the voice is back again. 73 de Robert - PD7RB From k1whs at metrocast.net Wed Mar 28 14:54:51 2018 From: k1whs at metrocast.net (David Olean) Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2018 18:54:51 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Proper grounding for P3. Message-ID: <24e7236b-3414-d0c3-2e53-fca64b3c882d@metrocast.net> I have been rebuilding my little hamshack these last few days. I am only operating on one band (160M) so there is not much gear involved, but I am trying to do it all correctly to minimize noise pickup from common mode signals arriving in the shack from many RG-6 beverage feed lines.? Most of my work is outdoors preventing common mode noise from propagating along the RG-6 coax.? To help things along inside the shack, I have installed a large copper buss bar with numerous attachment points for wide braid connections to all the AC powered equipment on the operating bench plus anything else that has RF or audio involved.? I have bonded everything to this buss bar and have routed a couple of #8 ground wires in conduit from the buss down to two ground rods situated below the shack. I have a separate ground rod about 25 ft away for grounding the beverage feed lines.?? I noted that several shack items had no provision for grounding.? One of them was the P3 panadaptor. There is no ground on it. The inside is pretty empty so there is plenty of room to install a ground lug. My question is will a lug modification bother some new accessory/option that Wayne 'n Eric have planned for the empty space?? Maybe an Elecraft Sno-Cone dispenser or Elecraft coffee maker?? The logical spot for a lug is on the back panel.? Am I safe there? Is it good practice to bond the P3 chassis to ground? It gets 12 VDC power from an external source,? and it seems logical to have a separate ground point and not count on coax cable shields for any ground connection. I had a DX Engineering NCC-1 with no ground as well as the computer, recording device, an Astron power supply etc.? They are now all bonded to the copper buss bar. Dave K1WHS From rlvz at aol.com Wed Mar 28 16:21:53 2018 From: rlvz at aol.com (rlvz at aol.com) Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2018 16:21:53 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 request Message-ID: <1626e461efb-17a2-81f6@webjas-vab240.srv.aolmail.net> Since the KPA only has 2 Antenna jacks, I'd love to see Elecraft offer 1x8 and 2x8 Remote Antenna Switches with band data interface, if needed, so they arrive tested and ready to work with the K3. In the meantime, can anyone share which 1x8 or 2x8 Remote Antenna Switches and band data interface your using with your K3 and how time consuming it was to get the Antenna Switch configured? ?Thanks & 73, Dick- K9OM ? From richkappler at gmail.com Wed Mar 28 16:33:29 2018 From: richkappler at gmail.com (richard kappler) Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2018 16:33:29 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft customer service Message-ID: To Wayne and Eric especially, but to all on the list. I saved my shekels and ordered my KX2 Shack in a box 2 weeks ago tomorrow. To say I was as impatient as a kid before Christmas would be an understatement. The Elecraft team shipped my new baby last Friday, it went out from the USPS San Jose distribution center Friday night, 1845 iirc, scheduled for delivery this past Monday, 26 March. It has not been heard from, scanned, seen since. The USPS has been abominable in helping me track down my radio. I contacted Elecraft this morning to inform and to get info on the timeline and procedure for making a lost package claim. Michelle answered the phone, was delightful, understanding, commiserative, wicked helpful. She is working with contacts the Elecraft folks have in the post office, has been very up front and informative, even if I didn't especially care for the answers, at least she gave them to me. She just sent me an update to let me know where she was in her efforts and so I didn't feel that I had been forgotten. BRAVO ZULU to the Elecraft team and Michelle in particular for customer service surpassing the norm. I still don't have a radio, but I do have a warm fuzzy that I will be taken care of, though it may well be 30 days or so before I see a KX2. If only the post office had this level of excellence in their staff. -- W2KAP In any given circuit, the most expensive part will always sacrifice itself to protect the fuse. From jnogatch at gmail.com Wed Mar 28 17:07:07 2018 From: jnogatch at gmail.com (John Nogatch) Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2018 21:07:07 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 request In-Reply-To: <1626e461efb-17a2-81f6@webjas-vab240.srv.aolmail.net> References: <1626e461efb-17a2-81f6@webjas-vab240.srv.aolmail.net> Message-ID: On Wed, Mar 28, 2018 at 8:21 PM, Dick via Elecraft wrote: > ... which 1x8 or 2x8 Remote Antenna Switches and band data interface your using with your K3 and how time consuming it was ... I have been using "An Eight Channel Remote Control Antenna Selector" QEX March/April 2014, which was available as a kit without enclosure. I do not know if the kit is still available. You may be able to read the article here: http://www.arrl.org/files/file/QEX_Next_Issue/2014/Mar-Apr_2014/Dzado.pdf This required a simple homebrew CMOS converter from Elecraft 15-pin accessory band info to the RJ-45 connector needed for the antenna switch. -John AC6SL From donwilh at embarqmail.com Wed Mar 28 17:08:06 2018 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2018 17:08:06 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Proper grounding for P3. In-Reply-To: <24e7236b-3414-d0c3-2e53-fca64b3c882d@metrocast.net> References: <24e7236b-3414-d0c3-2e53-fca64b3c882d@metrocast.net> Message-ID: <30a16291-526b-cf21-c899-8923a34db33e@embarqmail.com> David, If your goal is to reduce noise, hum, and buzz in your station, then --- much better than "grounding", use the "Bonding" techniques suggested (and tested) in K9YC's information on the subject. Basically, you bond from enclosure to enclosure with braid or heavy wire - follow along the path of connecting audio cables and coax. When you finally get to the end of the path (amplifier or tuner), then you can connect to your station ground. Connecting each piece of equipment separately to the station ground can actually make the hum, noise, and buzz pickup worse. You are NOT grounding for RF, but for lightning and AC mains protection for you and your family and pets. Mother Earth is not a SINK for RF - that is what common mode chokes on the coax are for, use effective ones. 73, Don W3FPR On 3/28/2018 2:54 PM, David Olean wrote: > I have been rebuilding my little hamshack these last few days. I am only > operating on one band (160M) so there is not much gear involved, but I > am trying to do it all correctly to minimize noise pickup from common > mode signals arriving in the shack from many RG-6 beverage feed lines. > Most of my work is outdoors preventing common mode noise from > propagating along the RG-6 coax.? To help things along inside the shack, > I have installed a large copper buss bar with numerous attachment points > for wide braid connections to all the AC powered equipment on the > operating bench plus anything else that has RF or audio involved.? I > have bonded everything to this buss bar and have routed a couple of #8 > ground wires in conduit from the buss down to two ground rods situated > below the shack. I have a separate ground rod about 25 ft away for > grounding the beverage feed lines.?? I noted that several shack items > had no provision for grounding.? One of them was the P3 panadaptor. From n6kr at elecraft.com Wed Mar 28 17:09:03 2018 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2018 14:09:03 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft customer service In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <61226EA2-D8B7-4B27-84B6-CC9E8E79D28B@elecraft.com> Hi Richard, Fortunately lost items are rare. I sure hope yours turns up! But if not, we?ll deal with it through proper channels and make sure you get a replacement as soon as possible. 73, Wayne N6KR ---- http://www.elecraft.com > On Mar 28, 2018, at 1:33 PM, richard kappler wrote: > > To Wayne and Eric especially, but to all on the list. I saved my shekels > and ordered my KX2 Shack in a box 2 weeks ago tomorrow. To say I was as > impatient as a kid before Christmas would be an understatement. The > Elecraft team shipped my new baby last Friday, it went out from the USPS > San Jose distribution center Friday night, 1845 iirc, scheduled for > delivery this past Monday, 26 March. It has not been heard from, scanned, > seen since. The USPS has been abominable in helping me track down my radio. > I contacted Elecraft this morning to inform and to get info on the timeline > and procedure for making a lost package claim. > > Michelle answered the phone, was delightful, understanding, commiserative, > wicked helpful. She is working with contacts the Elecraft folks have in the > post office, has been very up front and informative, even if I didn't > especially care for the answers, at least she gave them to me. She just > sent me an update to let me know where she was in her efforts and so I > didn't feel that I had been forgotten. BRAVO ZULU to the Elecraft team and > Michelle in particular for customer service surpassing the norm. I still > don't have a radio, but I do have a warm fuzzy that I will be taken care > of, though it may well be 30 days or so before I see a KX2. > > If only the post office had this level of excellence in their staff. > > -- > W2KAP > > In any given circuit, the most expensive part will always sacrifice itself > to protect the fuse. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n6kr at elecraft.com From edauer at law.du.edu Wed Mar 28 17:18:46 2018 From: edauer at law.du.edu (Dauer, Edward) Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2018 21:18:46 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Pie Rack K-Line Message-ID: <3B001AC0-1AE8-4485-9EB8-73A624411427@law.du.edu> Inspired by the creativity of the previous posts -- pie racks and shoe shelves -- I took the dimensions of my K2 line and KX3 line, with all of their accessories, and went to The Container Store. The possibilities are endless. I spent a good two hours turning their stuff around in my hands and my mind, fitting it in ways no-one at The Container Store likely ever thought of to make compact racks and modular stacks for my Elecraft gear. Truly endless permutations. Made me realize why the old College Entrance Exams had those you-fold-it spatial relationship questions. This was the reason. Someone knew that someday we'd be doing this . . . Ted, KN1CBR (I have no financial interest in The Container Store; but I wish I did. There are stores in 32 states plus D.C.) From dave at nk7z.net Wed Mar 28 17:37:14 2018 From: dave at nk7z.net (Dave Cole (NK7Z)) Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2018 14:37:14 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Proper grounding for P3. In-Reply-To: <24e7236b-3414-d0c3-2e53-fca64b3c882d@metrocast.net> References: <24e7236b-3414-d0c3-2e53-fca64b3c882d@metrocast.net> Message-ID: <27c3c5c1-f577-a06e-f97e-8c2c6dc8b6ba@nk7z.net> Hi Dave (K1WHS), I have a bit of an description on how I removed most of my RFI from the shack located at: https://www.nk7z.net/category/info/rfi-mitigation/constructing-a-shack-for-minimal-rfi-from-the-ground-up/ Scroll to "Rebuilding the Shack from scratch". The link above is a link to a set of articles on removing RFI from your environment, so you may find other articles of interest. Don't forget to check out K9YC's very informative and useful articles at: http://k9yc.com/publish.htm Look under "Ham Radio Topics", there is more information than you can absorb in a day at his site, and all of it is good. 73s and thanks, Dave NK7Z https://www.nk7z.net On 03/28/2018 11:54 AM, David Olean wrote: > I have been rebuilding my little hamshack these last few days. I am only > operating on one band (160M) so there is not much gear involved, but I > am trying to do it all correctly to minimize noise pickup from common > mode signals arriving in the shack from many RG-6 beverage feed lines. > Most of my work is outdoors preventing common mode noise from > propagating along the RG-6 coax.? To help things along inside the shack, > I have installed a large copper buss bar with numerous attachment points > for wide braid connections to all the AC powered equipment on the > operating bench plus anything else that has RF or audio involved.? I > have bonded everything to this buss bar and have routed a couple of #8 > ground wires in conduit from the buss down to two ground rods situated > below the shack. I have a separate ground rod about 25 ft away for > grounding the beverage feed lines.?? I noted that several shack items > had no provision for grounding.? One of them was the P3 panadaptor. > There is no ground on it. The inside is pretty empty so there is plenty > of room to install a ground lug. My question is will a lug modification > bother some new accessory/option that Wayne 'n Eric have planned for the > empty space?? Maybe an Elecraft Sno-Cone dispenser or Elecraft coffee > maker?? The logical spot for a lug is on the back panel.? Am I safe there? > > Is it good practice to bond the P3 chassis to ground? It gets 12 VDC > power from an external source,? and it seems logical to have a separate > ground point and not count on coax cable shields for any ground > connection. I had a DX Engineering NCC-1 with no ground as well as the > computer, recording device, an Astron power supply etc.? They are now > all bonded to the copper buss bar. > > Dave K1WHS > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dave at nk7z.net From rthorne at rthorne.net Wed Mar 28 18:37:57 2018 From: rthorne at rthorne.net (Richard Thorne) Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2018 17:37:57 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 request In-Reply-To: <1626e461efb-17a2-81f6@webjas-vab240.srv.aolmail.net> References: <1626e461efb-17a2-81f6@webjas-vab240.srv.aolmail.net> Message-ID: <631b9418-1a0d-a916-fe51-110bcbb5cff5@rthorne.net> Dick, Check out the 4O3A antenna genius.? There's a 2x8 and a 1x8 version. You can control the switch's via one of three methods: ??? - LAN - There's a Windows app to control the switch or a Flex transceiver can control it over the network ??? - Point to point so you can use an 8 position switch ??? - BCD The above options are selected via a dip switch mounted in the switch itself. Rich - N5ZC On 3/28/2018 3:21 PM, Dick via Elecraft wrote: > Since the KPA only has 2 Antenna jacks, I'd love to see Elecraft offer 1x8 and 2x8 Remote Antenna Switches with band data interface, if needed, so they arrive tested and ready to work with the K3. In the meantime, can anyone share which 1x8 or 2x8 Remote Antenna Switches and band data interface your using with your K3 and how time consuming it was to get the Antenna Switch configured? ?Thanks & 73, Dick- K9OM > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to rthorne at rthorne.net From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Wed Mar 28 18:44:54 2018 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2018 15:44:54 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Proper grounding for P3. In-Reply-To: <24e7236b-3414-d0c3-2e53-fca64b3c882d@metrocast.net> References: <24e7236b-3414-d0c3-2e53-fca64b3c882d@metrocast.net> Message-ID: <6db54464-54f9-4494-1328-4bff332f8ae6@audiosystemsgroup.com> Hi Dave, Here's my take on Grounding and Bonding for ham radio.? Most of it was incorporated in Ward Silver's new ARRL book on the topic. http://k9yc.com/GroundingAndAudio.pdf Yes, you should add a suitable bonding point for any gear that lacks it. Just make sure that whatever point you choose isn't insulated from the chassis by paint. :) On 3/28/2018 11:54 AM, David Olean wrote: > I have been rebuilding my little hamshack these last few days. I am > only operating on one band (160M) so there is not much gear involved, > but I am trying to do it all correctly to minimize noise pickup from > common mode signals arriving in the shack from many RG-6 beverage feed > lines.? Most of my work is outdoors preventing common mode noise from > propagating along the RG-6 coax.? To help things along inside the > shack, I have installed a large copper buss bar with numerous > attachment points for wide braid connections to all the AC powered > equipment on the operating bench plus anything else that has RF or > audio involved.? I have bonded everything to this buss bar and have > routed a couple of #8 ground wires in conduit from the buss down to > two ground rods situated below the shack. I have a separate ground rod > about 25 ft away for grounding the beverage feed lines. One of the most important rules about grounds is that you can have as many as you like, but in a premises, all MUST be bonded together. > I noted that several shack items had no provision for grounding. One > of them was the P3 panadaptor. There is no ground on it. The inside is > pretty empty so there is plenty of room to install a ground lug. My > question is will a lug modification bother some new accessory/option > that Wayne 'n Eric have planned for the empty space?? Maybe an > Elecraft Sno-Cone dispenser or Elecraft coffee maker?? The logical > spot for a lug is on the back panel.? Am I safe there? > > Is it good practice to bond the P3 chassis to ground? It gets 12 VDC > power from an external source,? and it seems logical to have a > separate ground point and not count on coax cable shields for any > ground connection. Yes. > I had a DX Engineering NCC-1 with no ground as well as the computer, > recording device, an Astron power supply etc.? They are now all bonded > to the copper buss bar. Great. The only thing better is daisy-chain bonding from chassis-to-chassis of interconnected equipment. Study the tutorial. 73, Jim K9YC From pvandyke1953 at gmail.com Wed Mar 28 18:47:58 2018 From: pvandyke1953 at gmail.com (Paul Van Dyke) Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2018 22:47:58 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft customer service In-Reply-To: <61226EA2-D8B7-4B27-84B6-CC9E8E79D28B@elecraft.com> References: <61226EA2-D8B7-4B27-84B6-CC9E8E79D28B@elecraft.com> Message-ID: Maybe somebody at the Post Office really wanted a KX2.. And that was a joke On Wed, Mar 28, 2018, 5:12 PM Wayne Burdick wrote: > Hi Richard, > > Fortunately lost items are rare. I sure hope yours turns up! But if not, > we?ll deal with it through proper channels and make sure you get a > replacement as soon as possible. > > 73, > Wayne > N6KR > > ---- > http://www.elecraft.com > > > On Mar 28, 2018, at 1:33 PM, richard kappler > wrote: > > > > To Wayne and Eric especially, but to all on the list. I saved my shekels > > and ordered my KX2 Shack in a box 2 weeks ago tomorrow. To say I was as > > impatient as a kid before Christmas would be an understatement. The > > Elecraft team shipped my new baby last Friday, it went out from the USPS > > San Jose distribution center Friday night, 1845 iirc, scheduled for > > delivery this past Monday, 26 March. It has not been heard from, scanned, > > seen since. The USPS has been abominable in helping me track down my > radio. > > I contacted Elecraft this morning to inform and to get info on the > timeline > > and procedure for making a lost package claim. > > > > Michelle answered the phone, was delightful, understanding, > commiserative, > > wicked helpful. She is working with contacts the Elecraft folks have in > the > > post office, has been very up front and informative, even if I didn't > > especially care for the answers, at least she gave them to me. She just > > sent me an update to let me know where she was in her efforts and so I > > didn't feel that I had been forgotten. BRAVO ZULU to the Elecraft team > and > > Michelle in particular for customer service surpassing the norm. I still > > don't have a radio, but I do have a warm fuzzy that I will be taken care > > of, though it may well be 30 days or so before I see a KX2. > > > > If only the post office had this level of excellence in their staff. > > > > -- > > W2KAP > > > > In any given circuit, the most expensive part will always sacrifice > itself > > to protect the fuse. > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to n6kr at elecraft.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to pvandyke1953 at gmail.com From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Wed Mar 28 18:48:45 2018 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2018 15:48:45 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 request In-Reply-To: <631b9418-1a0d-a916-fe51-110bcbb5cff5@rthorne.net> References: <1626e461efb-17a2-81f6@webjas-vab240.srv.aolmail.net> <631b9418-1a0d-a916-fe51-110bcbb5cff5@rthorne.net> Message-ID: On 3/28/2018 3:37 PM, Richard Thorne wrote: > Check out the 4O3A antenna genius. YES! This is excellent gear. Tested on the bench, worst case isolation between any outputs from 160 - 6M is better than 100 dB. And as Rich notes, VERY flexible about control schemes. 73, Jim K9YC From k7sz at live.com Wed Mar 28 19:04:17 2018 From: k7sz at live.com (Rich Arland) Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2018 23:04:17 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft customer service In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: >From my personal experiences with the Elecraft Crew I have nothing but high praise for everyone that works there! They bring customer service and technical service to a whole new level. "Dilly, Dilly!!!!!" Vy 73 es gud DX! Rich Arland K7SZ Bent Dipole Ranch, Dacula, GA Author: "ARRL's Low Power Communications, the Art and Science of QRP" (all 4 editions) Cogito ergo CQ (I think therefore, I HAM) http://commobunker.blogspot.com/ ________________________________ From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net on behalf of richard kappler Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2018 4:33 PM To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft customer service To Wayne and Eric especially, but to all on the list. I saved my shekels and ordered my KX2 Shack in a box 2 weeks ago tomorrow. To say I was as impatient as a kid before Christmas would be an understatement. The Elecraft team shipped my new baby last Friday, it went out from the USPS San Jose distribution center Friday night, 1845 iirc, scheduled for delivery this past Monday, 26 March. It has not been heard from, scanned, seen since. The USPS has been abominable in helping me track down my radio. I contacted Elecraft this morning to inform and to get info on the timeline and procedure for making a lost package claim. Michelle answered the phone, was delightful, understanding, commiserative, wicked helpful. She is working with contacts the Elecraft folks have in the post office, has been very up front and informative, even if I didn't especially care for the answers, at least she gave them to me. She just sent me an update to let me know where she was in her efforts and so I didn't feel that I had been forgotten. BRAVO ZULU to the Elecraft team and Michelle in particular for customer service surpassing the norm. I still don't have a radio, but I do have a warm fuzzy that I will be taken care of, though it may well be 30 days or so before I see a KX2. If only the post office had this level of excellence in their staff. -- W2KAP In any given circuit, the most expensive part will always sacrifice itself to protect the fuse. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to k7sz at live.com From jh3sif at sumaq.jp Wed Mar 28 19:09:15 2018 From: jh3sif at sumaq.jp (Keith Onishi) Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2018 08:09:15 +0900 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 powers off when after several minutes of 12W carrier In-Reply-To: <051501d3c650$792a6060$6b7f2120$@cox.net> References: <051501d3c650$792a6060$6b7f2120$@cox.net> Message-ID: My friend had similar problem. It cause was that LPA was not tightly attached to K3 bottom cover. After retighten the screw attaching the LPA to bottom cover, the problem was solved. I hope this helps. 73 de JH3SIF, Keith > 2018/03/28 13:51?Erik Basilier ????: > > Same result if the K3 is run at 12W without the KPA500. This is a K3 I > bought used; I guess I may have forgotten to check the power calibrations on > it. Will try that next. > 73, > Erik K7TV > > -----Original Message----- > From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net On > Behalf Of Erik Basilier > Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2018 9:42 PM > To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: [Elecraft] K3 powers off when after several minutes of 12W carrier > > I have been testing sustained power capabilities of wideband HF transformers > for feeding EFHW antennas. This involves running high power through HF > transformers back to back into a dummy load. When running 200W out of the > KPA500, the K3 was indicating 12W, and I think that means the 100W PA was > not operating. After a few minutes the K3 totally shut down. This had > nothing to do with the transformers under test; I get the same result when > running the KPA500 at 200W directly into the dummy load. After restart the > K3 shows no sign of problem unless the 200W endurance test is run again. > Then I increased power just a little bit so that the 100W stage kicked in. I > got 300W out of the KPA500, and now the K3 keeps going without shutting > down. I can see how 12W may be a bit much for the driver stage, but if so, > shouldn't the 100W stage kick in sooner? Also, I expected the K3/KPA500 > combo to be able to produce any power level I wanted within its range. What > I see is that when the 100W stage kicks in, the output (as seen on an analog > meter) makes a big jump so that certain power levels cannot be achieved. > > Thanks, > Erik K7TV > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message > delivered to ebasilier at cox.net > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to jh3sif at sumaq.jp From huntinhmb at coastside.net Wed Mar 28 19:24:15 2018 From: huntinhmb at coastside.net (Brian Hunt) Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2018 16:24:15 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 powers off when after several minutes of 12W carrier In-Reply-To: <051501d3c650$792a6060$6b7f2120$@cox.net> References: <051501d3c650$792a6060$6b7f2120$@cox.net> Message-ID: <5A268358-0F2D-4FC0-8C87-AC18010F593B@coastside.net> For folks who run lots of high duty cycle modes, Elecraft is now recommending 'thermal pads' between the LPA transistors and the bottom cover. I found this out when I was doing some mods to my 10yo K3 and the instructions said to install them and I didn't have 'em. You can get them from Elecraft, not expensive. 73, Brian, K0DTJ From c-hawley at illinois.edu Wed Mar 28 19:34:25 2018 From: c-hawley at illinois.edu (hawley, charles j jr) Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2018 23:34:25 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 powers off when after several minutes of 12W carrier In-Reply-To: <5A268358-0F2D-4FC0-8C87-AC18010F593B@coastside.net> References: <051501d3c650$792a6060$6b7f2120$@cox.net>, <5A268358-0F2D-4FC0-8C87-AC18010F593B@coastside.net> Message-ID: So there was a time early on for the K3 when the pads were not installed? I looked at my 2010 assembly instructions and they required them. So I must have put them in. Chuck Jack KE9UW Sent from my iPhone, cjack > On Mar 28, 2018, at 6:24 PM, Brian Hunt wrote: > > For folks who run lots of high duty cycle modes, Elecraft is now recommending 'thermal pads' between the LPA transistors and the bottom cover. I found this out when I was doing some mods to my 10yo K3 and the instructions said to install them and I didn't have 'em. You can get them from Elecraft, not expensive. > > 73, > Brian, K0DTJ > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to c-hawley at illinois.edu From jackbrindle at me.com Wed Mar 28 19:36:23 2018 From: jackbrindle at me.com (Jack Brindle) Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2018 16:36:23 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 request In-Reply-To: References: <1626e461efb-17a2-81f6@webjas-vab240.srv.aolmail.net> <631b9418-1a0d-a916-fe51-110bcbb5cff5@rthorne.net> Message-ID: <205B8888-627B-4553-B52C-7718E6C8FD0D@me.com> Anyone contemplating getting one of these for use with an Elecraft radio should contact N6TV. He has circuits that can make the Antenna Genius compatible with the K3?s BCD antenna selection signals. in its original form the two are not directly compatible. - Jack, W6FB > On Mar 28, 2018, at 3:48 PM, Jim Brown wrote: > > On 3/28/2018 3:37 PM, Richard Thorne wrote: >> Check out the 4O3A antenna genius. > > YES! This is excellent gear. Tested on the bench, worst case isolation between any outputs from 160 - 6M is better than 100 dB. > > And as Rich notes, VERY flexible about control schemes. > > 73, Jim K9YC > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to jackbrindle at me.com From elecraftcovers at gmail.com Wed Mar 28 19:43:56 2018 From: elecraftcovers at gmail.com (Rose) Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2018 23:43:56 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 powers off when after several minutes of 12W carrier In-Reply-To: References: <051501d3c650$792a6060$6b7f2120$@cox.net> <5A268358-0F2D-4FC0-8C87-AC18010F593B@coastside.net> Message-ID: Any chance of model confusion between K2 and K3? I recall adding them to my K2 ... a case of having to hold my tongue just so in order to hold them and their hardware in place. Not a place for fat fingers! 73! K0PP On Wed, Mar 28, 2018, 17:36 hawley, charles j jr wrote: > So there was a time early on for the K3 when the pads were not installed? > I looked at my 2010 assembly instructions and they required them. So I must > have put them in. > > Chuck Jack > KE9UW > > Sent from my iPhone, cjack > > > On Mar 28, 2018, at 6:24 PM, Brian Hunt wrote: > > > > For folks who run lots of high duty cycle modes, Elecraft is now > recommending 'thermal pads' between the LPA transistors and the bottom > cover. I found this out when I was doing some mods to my 10yo K3 and the > instructions said to install them and I didn't have 'em. You can get them > from Elecraft, not expensive. > > > > 73, > > Brian, K0DTJ > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to c-hawley at illinois.edu > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to elecraftcovers at gmail.com > From ok1rk at seznam.cz Wed Mar 28 19:48:39 2018 From: ok1rk at seznam.cz (ok1rk at seznam.cz) Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2018 01:48:39 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Elecraft] WTB K3 / K3S accessories WTB Message-ID: WTB K3 / K3S accessories WTB I'm looking for the following accessories for?my K3's/K3S: 2 pcs 2800 Hz 8215 kHz SSB 8-pole crystal filter 1 pc P3SVGA Video Adapter 2 pcs MH4 Hand Mic 1 pc CBLP3Y P3 to RJ45 Connector plus any other upgrades for K3: KSYN3A, KXV3B, KRX3A, KIO3B, KTCXO3-1, K3EXREF, KBPF3A Please, check out if you don't have?any of these things for sale Maybe it just takes dust on your shelf :-) Thank you in advance for your offers to my email address Shipping to Erie CO 80516 Money through PayPal TNX 73 David OK1RK From nskousen at ecsecurityinc.com Wed Mar 28 19:52:35 2018 From: nskousen at ecsecurityinc.com (Niel Skousen) Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2018 17:52:35 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft customer service In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3B336699-2038-425A-8A49-A76EC00BF60E@ecsecurityinc.com> I bought a QCX kit in January that got lost... maybe it will show up - late - as a KX2 ??? Good Lck ! Niel Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 28, 2018, at 17:04, Rich Arland wrote: > > From my personal experiences with the Elecraft Crew I have nothing but high praise for everyone that works there! They bring customer service and technical service to a whole new level. > > > "Dilly, Dilly!!!!!" > > > Vy 73 es gud DX! > > Rich Arland K7SZ > Bent Dipole Ranch, Dacula, GA > Author: "ARRL's Low Power Communications, the Art and Science of QRP" (all 4 editions) > > Cogito ergo CQ (I think therefore, I HAM) > http://commobunker.blogspot.com/ > > > > > ________________________________ > From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net on behalf of richard kappler > Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2018 4:33 PM > To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft customer service > > To Wayne and Eric especially, but to all on the list. I saved my shekels > and ordered my KX2 Shack in a box 2 weeks ago tomorrow. To say I was as > impatient as a kid before Christmas would be an understatement. The > Elecraft team shipped my new baby last Friday, it went out from the USPS > San Jose distribution center Friday night, 1845 iirc, scheduled for > delivery this past Monday, 26 March. It has not been heard from, scanned, > seen since. The USPS has been abominable in helping me track down my radio. > I contacted Elecraft this morning to inform and to get info on the timeline > and procedure for making a lost package claim. > > Michelle answered the phone, was delightful, understanding, commiserative, > wicked helpful. She is working with contacts the Elecraft folks have in the > post office, has been very up front and informative, even if I didn't > especially care for the answers, at least she gave them to me. She just > sent me an update to let me know where she was in her efforts and so I > didn't feel that I had been forgotten. BRAVO ZULU to the Elecraft team and > Michelle in particular for customer service surpassing the norm. I still > don't have a radio, but I do have a warm fuzzy that I will be taken care > of, though it may well be 30 days or so before I see a KX2. > > If only the post office had this level of excellence in their staff. > > -- > W2KAP > > In any given circuit, the most expensive part will always sacrifice itself > to protect the fuse. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k7sz at live.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to nskousen at talisman-intl.com From donwilh at embarqmail.com Wed Mar 28 20:10:58 2018 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2018 20:10:58 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft customer service In-Reply-To: <3B336699-2038-425A-8A49-A76EC00BF60E@ecsecurityinc.com> References: <3B336699-2038-425A-8A49-A76EC00BF60E@ecsecurityinc.com> Message-ID: <351d146c-3d68-b11b-96a7-ad66c5291dd3@embarqmail.com> Neil, I am sorry to hear about your experience with USPS. They are normally quite reliable. I have been shipping with USPS Priority Mail as well as UPS and have not seen a problem with either since 2004. I would suspect some problem with the plane or truck along the path to your address. The only problem I have ever encountered was with one parcel that was not delivered promptly because of some unknown reason - maybe misdirected in the bustle of Holiday mail. It was later delivered to the proper address. I normally ship between 1 and 5 parcels each week. I did have another problem with a shipment to Spain. The Spanish customs return it to me even though the customs fees had been paid by my customer. I have to blame that on the customs folks in Spain rather than the USPS. Have faith. 73, Don W3FPR On 3/28/2018 7:52 PM, Niel Skousen wrote: > I bought a QCX kit in January that got lost... maybe it will show up - late - as a KX2 ??? > > Good Lck ! > > Niel > From john at kk9a.com Wed Mar 28 20:22:52 2018 From: john at kk9a.com (john at kk9a.com) Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2018 20:22:52 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 powers off when after several minutes of 12W carrier Message-ID: <000101d3c6f4$19a80d00$4cf82700$@com> Instead of pushing the 12 watt PA this hard it would sure be nice (and cleaner) to have the option of using the KPA3A for 10-12 watts output. John KK9A K7TV wrote: I have been testing sustained power capabilities of wideband HF transformers for feeding EFHW antennas. This involves running high power through HF transformers back to back into a dummy load. When running 200W out of the KPA500, the K3 was indicating 12W, and I think that means the 100W PA was not operating. After a few minutes the K3 totally shut down. This had nothing to do with the transformers under test; I get the same result when running the KPA500 at 200W directly into the dummy load. After restart the K3 shows no sign of problem unless the 200W endurance test is run again. Then I increased power just a little bit so that the 100W stage kicked in. I got 300W out of the KPA500, and now the K3 keeps going without shutting down. I can see how 12W may be a bit much for the driver stage, but if so, shouldn't the 100W stage kick in sooner? Also, I expected the K3/KPA500 combo to be able to produce any power level I wanted within its range. What I see is that when the 100W stage kicks in, the output (as seen on an analog meter) makes a big jump so that certain power levels cannot be achieved. Thanks, Erik K7TV From va3mw at portcredit.net Wed Mar 28 20:40:54 2018 From: va3mw at portcredit.net (Michael Walker) Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2018 20:40:54 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 request In-Reply-To: <205B8888-627B-4553-B52C-7718E6C8FD0D@me.com> References: <1626e461efb-17a2-81f6@webjas-vab240.srv.aolmail.net> <631b9418-1a0d-a916-fe51-110bcbb5cff5@rthorne.net> <205B8888-627B-4553-B52C-7718E6C8FD0D@me.com> Message-ID: For the 4O3A 8x2 to function, have you discussed it with Ranko to see if it can be made plug and play? Mike va3mw On Wed, Mar 28, 2018 at 7:36 PM, Jack Brindle wrote: > Anyone contemplating getting one of these for use with an Elecraft radio > should contact N6TV. He has circuits that can make the Antenna Genius > compatible with the K3?s BCD antenna selection signals. > in its original form the two are not directly compatible. > > - Jack, W6FB > > > > On Mar 28, 2018, at 3:48 PM, Jim Brown > wrote: > > > > On 3/28/2018 3:37 PM, Richard Thorne wrote: > >> Check out the 4O3A antenna genius. > > > > YES! This is excellent gear. Tested on the bench, worst case isolation > between any outputs from 160 - 6M is better than 100 dB. > > > > And as Rich notes, VERY flexible about control schemes. > > > > 73, Jim K9YC > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to jackbrindle at me.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to va3mw at portcredit.net > From rick at tavan.com Wed Mar 28 20:43:27 2018 From: rick at tavan.com (Rick Tavan) Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2018 17:43:27 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft customer service In-Reply-To: <351d146c-3d68-b11b-96a7-ad66c5291dd3@embarqmail.com> References: <3B336699-2038-425A-8A49-A76EC00BF60E@ecsecurityinc.com> <351d146c-3d68-b11b-96a7-ad66c5291dd3@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: Another thing to check for missing packages is your neighbors. One shipment to me, from Elecraft in fact, got delivered next door. This one was being tracked, so I knew that the shipper thought it had been delivered. I walked the block and found it sitting there. In your case, you've had no tracking reports. If tracking was enabled, it's probably not in the neighborhood. GL, /Rick N6XI Rick Tavan Truckee, CA On Wed, Mar 28, 2018 at 5:10 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > Neil, > > I am sorry to hear about your experience with USPS. They are normally > quite reliable. I have been shipping with USPS Priority Mail as well as > UPS and have not seen a problem with either since 2004. > > I would suspect some problem with the plane or truck along the path to > your address. > > The only problem I have ever encountered was with one parcel that was not > delivered promptly because of some unknown reason - maybe misdirected in > the bustle of Holiday mail. It was later delivered to the proper address. > I normally ship between 1 and 5 parcels each week. > > I did have another problem with a shipment to Spain. The Spanish customs > return it to me even though the customs fees had been paid by my customer. > I have to blame that on the customs folks in Spain rather than the USPS. > > Have faith. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 3/28/2018 7:52 PM, Niel Skousen wrote: > >> I bought a QCX kit in January that got lost... maybe it will show up - >> late - as a KX2 ??? >> >> Good Lck ! >> >> Niel >> >> ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to rtavan at gmail.com > From markmusick at sbcglobal.net Wed Mar 28 21:02:40 2018 From: markmusick at sbcglobal.net (Mark E. Musick) Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2018 01:02:40 -0000 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 powers off when after several minutes of 12W carrier In-Reply-To: References: <051501d3c650$792a6060$6b7f2120$@cox.net>, <5A268358-0F2D-4FC0-8C87-AC18010F593B@coastside.net> Message-ID: <009c01d3c6f9$a4937580$edba6080$@sbcglobal.net> When I built K3 serial #3505 in September of 2009, the kit had thermal pads for the LPA transistors. Mark, WB9CIF -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of hawley, charles j jr Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2018 11:34 PM To: Brian Hunt Cc: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 powers off when after several minutes of 12W carrier So there was a time early on for the K3 when the pads were not installed? I looked at my 2010 assembly instructions and they required them. So I must have put them in. Chuck Jack KE9UW Sent from my iPhone, cjack > On Mar 28, 2018, at 6:24 PM, Brian Hunt wrote: > > For folks who run lots of high duty cycle modes, Elecraft is now recommending 'thermal pads' between the LPA transistors and the bottom cover. I found this out when I was doing some mods to my 10yo K3 and the instructions said to install them and I didn't have 'em. You can get them from Elecraft, not expensive. > > 73, > Brian, K0DTJ > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > c-hawley at illinois.edu ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to markmusick at sbcglobal.net From nk9g at icloud.com Wed Mar 28 21:05:24 2018 From: nk9g at icloud.com (Rick McGaver) Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2018 18:05:24 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft customer service In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4F72ACD9-C61B-4F0D-A3FE-4D3606474ECB@icloud.com> Oh Yes, many could learn about customer service from Elecraft. I had a situation where I was ordering some parts off the internet, Sounds so-oooo easy. Not for me! My love for computers is limited. Anyway, I tried ordering and ended up with 3 orders and nothing working. I then said screw it. Five minutes later I get this call from Michelle and she asked me if I was having problems. Being mild as I am and ready to blow she said ?let me help You, this is easy to fix?. 5 minutes later I was done off the phone and I said to my wife. That is unbelievable service, and calm help on the other end. Thanks Michelle or who ever it was! Outstanding. Rick. NK 9G Sent from my iPad > On Mar 28, 2018, at 1:33 PM, richard kappler wrote: > > To Wayne and Eric especially, but to all on the list. I saved my shekels > and ordered my KX2 Shack in a box 2 weeks ago tomorrow. To say I was as > impatient as a kid before Christmas would be an understatement. The > Elecraft team shipped my new baby last Friday, it went out from the USPS > San Jose distribution center Friday night, 1845 iirc, scheduled for > delivery this past Monday, 26 March. It has not been heard from, scanned, > seen since. The USPS has been abominable in helping me track down my radio. > I contacted Elecraft this morning to inform and to get info on the timeline > and procedure for making a lost package claim. > > Michelle answered the phone, was delightful, understanding, commiserative, > wicked helpful. She is working with contacts the Elecraft folks have in the > post office, has been very up front and informative, even if I didn't > especially care for the answers, at least she gave them to me. She just > sent me an update to let me know where she was in her efforts and so I > didn't feel that I had been forgotten. BRAVO ZULU to the Elecraft team and > Michelle in particular for customer service surpassing the norm. I still > don't have a radio, but I do have a warm fuzzy that I will be taken care > of, though it may well be 30 days or so before I see a KX2. > > If only the post office had this level of excellence in their staff. > > -- > W2KAP > > In any given circuit, the most expensive part will always sacrifice itself > to protect the fuse. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to nk9g at icloud.com From k2asp at kanafi.org Wed Mar 28 22:41:50 2018 From: k2asp at kanafi.org (Phil Kane) Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2018 19:41:50 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft customer service In-Reply-To: References: <3B336699-2038-425A-8A49-A76EC00BF60E@ecsecurityinc.com> <351d146c-3d68-b11b-96a7-ad66c5291dd3@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: On 3/28/2018 5:43 PM, Rick Tavan wrote: > Another thing to check for missing packages is your neighbors. Good advice. One other "wrinkle". In general, I have goods sent to my P.O. Box unless he nature of the order indicates freight delivery or the shipper prefers home delivery. In general, the USPS has been good, but lately I had not one, not two, but three instances where the tracking showed that it was delivered to the box several days before. Turns out that the box clerk was either lazy or incompetent and did not leave the required pick-up notice in the box directing me to the counter. In one case the station manager searched all over in the station for prescription medications several days overdue and finally found it hidden away somewhere. The moral of the story - get the tracking number from the shipper and follow it on line from the shipper's notification to the USPS through to the delivery attempts. Although I haven't had occasion to use Elecraft customer support, I feel confident that it will be there when I need it. ---- Phil Kane - Beaverton, OR PNWR CP Hall MP 29.9 - OE District From huntinhmb at coastside.net Thu Mar 29 00:27:33 2018 From: huntinhmb at coastside.net (Brian Hunt) Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2018 21:27:33 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 powers off when after several minutes of 12W carrier In-Reply-To: <009c01d3c6f9$a4937580$edba6080$@sbcglobal.net> References: <051501d3c650$792a6060$6b7f2120$@cox.net> <5A268358-0F2D-4FC0-8C87-AC18010F593B@coastside.net> <009c01d3c6f9$a4937580$edba6080$@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <39D555B3-E99B-4448-8475-250824C73D86@coastside.net> My K3 is #4113 factory assembled and delivered in April 2010. I'm pretty sure the bottom cover had never been off when I did the update mods a couple months ago. That's when I asked Elecraft support about it and I assumed it had been added to later #s. I've never had any issues but run mostly CW at either 5 watts or 100 watts. 73, Brian, K0DTJ > On Mar 28, 2018, at 18:02, Mark E. Musick wrote: > > When I built K3 serial #3505 in September of 2009, the kit had thermal pads > for the LPA transistors. > > Mark, WB9CIF > From rick at tavan.com Thu Mar 29 00:44:18 2018 From: rick at tavan.com (Rick Tavan) Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2018 21:44:18 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft customer service In-Reply-To: References: <3B336699-2038-425A-8A49-A76EC00BF60E@ecsecurityinc.com> <351d146c-3d68-b11b-96a7-ad66c5291dd3@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: [OT] Phil's comment about PO boxes reminds me to remind readers about two lesser known shipping concepts: 1. Anyone with a PO box knows that they are for USPS mail only and won't accept mail from couriers like FedEx and UPS. Except that some individual POs will let you have a package shipped by courier to the Post Office's own street address plus your box number in some disguised format. You have to talk to your postmaster. 2. In some rural areas, maybe others as well, some couriers subcontract final delivery to the USPS. That's fine if you have a mailbox, even if the package is too big to fit and the mail carrier leaves it on your porch or under your rural mailbox. But if you don't have a home mailbox or legal mail slot, and a courier accepts a package addressed to your street address, and then hands it off to the PO for delivery, USPS will return the package to sender because it violates THEIR (USPS's) rules. The courier's rules no longer apply. Catch 22 of sorts. (The one time it happened to me, the shipper cancelled the order, refunded my money, then the product went on sale a few weeks later and I reordered, saving $200, sort of poetic justice. Don't count on it!) /Rick N6XI Rick Tavan Truckee, CA On Wed, Mar 28, 2018 at 7:41 PM, Phil Kane wrote: > On 3/28/2018 5:43 PM, Rick Tavan wrote: > > Another thing to check for missing packages is your neighbors. >> > > Good advice. One other "wrinkle". In general, I have goods sent to my > P.O. Box unless he nature of the order indicates freight delivery or the > shipper prefers home delivery. In general, the USPS has been good, but > lately I had not one, not two, but three instances where the tracking > showed that it was delivered to the box several days before. Turns out > that the box clerk was either lazy or incompetent and did not leave the > required pick-up notice in the box directing me to the counter. In one > case the station manager searched all over in the station for prescription > medications several days overdue and finally found it hidden away > somewhere. The moral of the story - get the tracking number from the > shipper and follow it on line from the shipper's notification to the USPS > through to the delivery attempts. > > Although I haven't had occasion to use Elecraft customer support, I feel > confident that it will be there when I need it. > > ---- > Phil Kane - Beaverton, OR > PNWR CP Hall MP 29.9 - OE District > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to rtavan at gmail.com > From haarsager at gmail.com Thu Mar 29 02:17:41 2018 From: haarsager at gmail.com (Dennis Haarsager) Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2018 07:17:41 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 power supply Message-ID: <43FC1F10-B559-4CD8-8E70-820D69C0C1A7@gmail.com> I am ready to order a KPA500 and wonder if anyone out there has regretted operating one from 115-volt service. Thanks and 73, Dennis, at the moment CT9/N7DH Sent from my iPhone From kl7uw at acsalaska.net Thu Mar 29 03:34:41 2018 From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole) Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2018 23:34:41 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Really efficient shipping Message-ID: <201803290734.w2T7Ygmh001861@mail41c28.carrierzone.com> To my amazement I received my new 6m antennas from InnoVantenna in the UK. I got an e-mail this morning with shipment info (FedEx tracking number) and that the antenna was shipped 3/22/2018 (Thursday). Six days going half-way around the world! I have a deal where I can receive UPS/FedEX shipments at my local Post Office. It was kept inside secure until I got notice in my box that a package had arrived. No dumping a $1300 package on front step. Two really big long heavy boxes. Glad I had a pickup truck. PS: shipping was not cheap. Antennas will not get built until May (when there is dry ground and not snow or spring mud). 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com Dubus-NA Business mail: dubususa at gmail.com From ebasilier at cox.net Thu Mar 29 03:41:22 2018 From: ebasilier at cox.net (Erik Basilier) Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2018 00:41:22 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 powers off when after several minutes of 12W carrier In-Reply-To: References: <051501d3c650$792a6060$6b7f2120$@cox.net> Message-ID: <05a301d3c731$55f79450$01e6bcf0$@cox.net> Brian, thanks for that tip. I bought this K3 used, so I didn't put it together. Will have to inspect to find out if pads are installed. The serial # 2241 suggests to me that the pads might indeed be missing. Recalibrating the wattmeter plus TX gain did not eliminate the problem of the K3 powering down, and there is still a gap in obtainable output powers. After recalibration (without the KPA500) the powers not obtainable on 80m was anything between 12 and 16. I get the impression that this is normal behavior. Not a problem for normal hamming, and only a minor annoyance when using the rig as a variable power test instrument. Running the same endurance test with power setting 12W on 20m did not seem to lead to the rig shutting down, and the range of unobtainable output powers is actually between 9 and 12. I attribute this to variations in wattmeter sensitivities between 80m and 20m. Of course the wattmeter calibration is performed only on the 20m band. As I performed the wattmeter calibration today I ran into a complication that I don't remember from last time I did this (over a year ago). Following the manual instructions I set the power to 5.0W. (I did this using the power knob; first I misread it to mean tweak the power setting to obtain a 5W indication on the external wattmeter. The manual really should not be ambiguous on this). I brought up the CONFIG:WMTR LP display as instructed. I then held TUNE to start transmission, and was ready to adjust the main tuning knob to get 5W on the external meter. However, the transmission did not utilize the 5W PWR setting. Instead it used the TUN PWR setting, which happened to be very different. To complete the procedure I had to go back and adjust TUN PWR to 5W. I must be missing something here... 73, Erik K7TV -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of Brian Hunt Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2018 4:24 PM To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 powers off when after several minutes of 12W carrier For folks who run lots of high duty cycle modes, Elecraft is now recommending 'thermal pads' between the LPA transistors and the bottom cover. I found this out when I was doing some mods to my 10yo K3 and the instructions said to install them and I didn't have 'em. You can get them from Elecraft, not expensive. 73, Brian, K0DTJ ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ebasilier at cox.net From c-hawley at illinois.edu Thu Mar 29 07:50:35 2018 From: c-hawley at illinois.edu (hawley, charles j jr) Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2018 11:50:35 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 powers off when after several minutes of 12W carrier In-Reply-To: <000101d3c6f4$19a80d00$4cf82700$@com> References: <000101d3c6f4$19a80d00$4cf82700$@com> Message-ID: How do we know that?s pushing it? Maybe the LPA is designed for 20 Watts and the K3 cuts them off at 12 Watts. Chuck Jack KE9UW Sent from my iPhone, cjack > On Mar 28, 2018, at 7:23 PM, "john at kk9a.com" wrote: > > Instead of pushing the 12 watt PA this hard it would sure be nice (and > cleaner) to have the option of using the KPA3A for 10-12 watts output. > > John KK9A > > > K7TV wrote: > > I have been testing sustained power capabilities of wideband HF transformers > for feeding EFHW antennas. This involves running high power through HF > transformers back to back into a dummy load. When running 200W out of the > KPA500, the K3 was indicating 12W, and I think that means the 100W PA was > not operating. After a few minutes the K3 totally shut down. This had > nothing to do with the transformers under test; I get the same result when > running the KPA500 at 200W directly into the dummy load. After restart the > K3 shows no sign of problem unless the 200W endurance test is run again. > Then I increased power just a little bit so that the 100W stage kicked in. I > got 300W out of the KPA500, and now the K3 keeps going without shutting > down. I can see how 12W may be a bit much for the driver stage, but if so, > shouldn't the 100W stage kick in sooner? Also, I expected the K3/KPA500 > combo to be able to produce any power level I wanted within its range. What > I see is that when the 100W stage kicks in, the output (as seen on an analog > meter) makes a big jump so that certain power levels cannot be achieved. > > Thanks, > Erik K7TV > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to c-hawley at illinois.edu From dpbunte at gmail.com Thu Mar 29 08:03:06 2018 From: dpbunte at gmail.com (David Bunte) Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2018 12:03:06 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 power supply In-Reply-To: <43FC1F10-B559-4CD8-8E70-820D69C0C1A7@gmail.com> References: <43FC1F10-B559-4CD8-8E70-820D69C0C1A7@gmail.com> Message-ID: Dennis - I have operated mine from my 120 volt service in my shack for years with no issues at all. Most folks I have talked to about it do as well. One friend used his on 240 and I could detect no difference in performance. I think you will be VERY happy eitherway. Dave - K9FN On Thu, Mar 29, 2018 at 2:18 AM Dennis Haarsager wrote: > I am ready to order a KPA500 and wonder if anyone out there has regretted > operating one from 115-volt service. > > Thanks and 73, > Dennis, at the moment CT9/N7DH > > Sent from my iPhone > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dpbunte at gmail.com > From tony.kaz at verizon.net Thu Mar 29 08:20:05 2018 From: tony.kaz at verizon.net (N2TK, Tony) Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2018 08:20:05 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 powers off when after several minutes of 12W carrier In-Reply-To: <5A268358-0F2D-4FC0-8C87-AC18010F593B@coastside.net> References: <051501d3c650$792a6060$6b7f2120$@cox.net> <5A268358-0F2D-4FC0-8C87-AC18010F593B@coastside.net> Message-ID: <002701d3c758$453a6260$cfaf2720$@verizon.net> Anything special about the thermal pads they recommend or the placement of the pads? Is there anything on the Elecraft site I missed on this? Tnx N2TK, Tony -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Brian Hunt Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2018 7:24 PM To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 powers off when after several minutes of 12W carrier For folks who run lots of high duty cycle modes, Elecraft is now recommending 'thermal pads' between the LPA transistors and the bottom cover. I found this out when I was doing some mods to my 10yo K3 and the instructions said to install them and I didn't have 'em. You can get them from Elecraft, not expensive. 73, Brian, K0DTJ ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to tony.kaz at verizon.net From wes_n7ws at triconet.org Thu Mar 29 08:39:49 2018 From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes Stewart) Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2018 05:39:49 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 powers off when after several minutes of 12W carrier In-Reply-To: References: <000101d3c6f4$19a80d00$4cf82700$@com> Message-ID: Doubt that.? From what I've gathered during a lot of TX IMD testing on my original K3 and my K3S, with several (lost count) different LPA and HPA modules, it's a 10W amp.? It's allowed to go to 12W but that's a really, really bad idea, from an IMD standpoint.? IIRC it's been asked that this be "fixed" in firmware but it hasn't seemed to be put "on the list." Wes? N7WS ?On 3/29/2018 4:50 AM, hawley, charles j jr wrote: > How do we know that?s pushing it? Maybe the LPA is designed for 20 Watts and the K3 cuts them off at 12 Watts. > > Chuck Jack > KE9UW > > Sent from my iPhone, cjack > >> On Mar 28, 2018, at 7:23 PM, "john at kk9a.com" wrote: >> >> Instead of pushing the 12 watt PA this hard it would sure be nice (and >> cleaner) to have the option of using the KPA3A for 10-12 watts output. >> >> John KK9A >> >> >> K7TV wrote: >> >> I have been testing sustained power capabilities of wideband HF transformers >> for feeding EFHW antennas. This involves running high power through HF >> transformers back to back into a dummy load. When running 200W out of the >> KPA500, the K3 was indicating 12W, and I think that means the 100W PA was >> not operating. After a few minutes the K3 totally shut down. This had >> nothing to do with the transformers under test; I get the same result when >> running the KPA500 at 200W directly into the dummy load. After restart the >> K3 shows no sign of problem unless the 200W endurance test is run again. >> Then I increased power just a little bit so that the 100W stage kicked in. I >> got 300W out of the KPA500, and now the K3 keeps going without shutting >> down. I can see how 12W may be a bit much for the driver stage, but if so, >> shouldn't the 100W stage kick in sooner? Also, I expected the K3/KPA500 >> combo to be able to produce any power level I wanted within its range. What >> I see is that when the 100W stage kicks in, the output (as seen on an analog >> meter) makes a big jump so that certain power levels cannot be achieved. >> >> Thanks, >> Erik K7TV >> From wes_n7ws at triconet.org Thu Mar 29 08:40:55 2018 From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes Stewart) Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2018 05:40:55 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 power supply In-Reply-To: <43FC1F10-B559-4CD8-8E70-820D69C0C1A7@gmail.com> References: <43FC1F10-B559-4CD8-8E70-820D69C0C1A7@gmail.com> Message-ID: <8d596d5e-94e2-f437-d894-6f528298a488@triconet.org> Not a problem. Wes? N7WS On 3/28/2018 11:17 PM, Dennis Haarsager wrote: > I am ready to order a KPA500 and wonder if anyone out there has regretted operating one from 115-volt service. > > Thanks and 73, > Dennis, at the moment CT9/N7DH > From challinan at gmail.com Thu Mar 29 09:19:50 2018 From: challinan at gmail.com (Chris Hallinan) Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2018 09:19:50 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 power supply In-Reply-To: <43FC1F10-B559-4CD8-8E70-820D69C0C1A7@gmail.com> References: <43FC1F10-B559-4CD8-8E70-820D69C0C1A7@gmail.com> Message-ID: As others have commented, the amp works just fine on 110v. In my case, every dit and dah resulted in a slight but noticeable dimming of the lights in my shack and an adjoining room. After putting in a dedicated 220V circuit, (not sure why we call it 220, 'cuz i think it's actually 230v) no dimming at all, and no complaints from the better half! ;) 73 de K1AY Chris On Thu, Mar 29, 2018 at 2:17 AM, Dennis Haarsager wrote: > I am ready to order a KPA500 and wonder if anyone out there has regretted > operating one from 115-volt service. > > Thanks and 73, > Dennis, at the moment CT9/N7DH > > Sent from my iPhone > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to challinan at gmail.com > -- Life is like Linux - it never stands still. From lists at subich.com Thu Mar 29 09:40:55 2018 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2018 09:40:55 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 power supply In-Reply-To: References: <43FC1F10-B559-4CD8-8E70-820D69C0C1A7@gmail.com> Message-ID: > (not sure why we call it 220, 'cuz i think it's actually 230v) Because the original standard was 110/220V ... as power consumption has increased and distribution utilities have attempted to reduce losses it crept up to 112/224, then 115/230, 117/234 and now runs 120/240 in many locations. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 3/29/2018 9:19 AM, Chris Hallinan wrote: > As others have commented, the amp works just fine on 110v. In my case, > every dit and dah resulted in a slight but noticeable dimming of the lights > in my shack and an adjoining room. After putting in a dedicated 220V > circuit, (not sure why we call it 220, 'cuz i think it's actually 230v) no > dimming at all, and no complaints from the better half! ;) > > 73 de K1AY > Chris > > On Thu, Mar 29, 2018 at 2:17 AM, Dennis Haarsager > wrote: > >> I am ready to order a KPA500 and wonder if anyone out there has regretted >> operating one from 115-volt service. >> >> Thanks and 73, >> Dennis, at the moment CT9/N7DH >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to challinan at gmail.com >> > > > From ns9i at bayland.net Thu Mar 29 09:49:06 2018 From: ns9i at bayland.net (dgb) Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2018 09:49:06 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 powers off when after several minutes of 12W carrier In-Reply-To: References: <000101d3c6f4$19a80d00$4cf82700$@com> Message-ID: I've blown the LPA's twice running with Ft8 at 12w, with and without pads. They do not like 12w for extended times, period ... proceed with caution! You can run 11w all day with no problems. 73 Dwight NS9I On 3/29/2018 7:50 AM, hawley, charles j jr wrote: > How do we know that?s pushing it? Maybe the LPA is designed for 20 Watts and the K3 cuts them off at 12 Watts. > > Chuck Jack > KE9UW > > Sent from my iPhone, cjack > >> On Mar 28, 2018, at 7:23 PM, "john at kk9a.com" wrote: >> >> Instead of pushing the 12 watt PA this hard it would sure be nice (and >> cleaner) to have the option of using the KPA3A for 10-12 watts output. >> >> John KK9A >> >> >> K7TV wrote: >> >> I have been testing sustained power capabilities of wideband HF transformers >> for feeding EFHW antennas. This involves running high power through HF >> transformers back to back into a dummy load. When running 200W out of the >> KPA500, the K3 was indicating 12W, and I think that means the 100W PA was >> not operating. After a few minutes the K3 totally shut down. This had >> nothing to do with the transformers under test; I get the same result when >> running the KPA500 at 200W directly into the dummy load. After restart the >> K3 shows no sign of problem unless the 200W endurance test is run again. >> Then I increased power just a little bit so that the 100W stage kicked in. I >> got 300W out of the KPA500, and now the K3 keeps going without shutting >> down. I can see how 12W may be a bit much for the driver stage, but if so, >> shouldn't the 100W stage kick in sooner? Also, I expected the K3/KPA500 >> combo to be able to produce any power level I wanted within its range. What >> I see is that when the 100W stage kicks in, the output (as seen on an analog >> meter) makes a big jump so that certain power levels cannot be achieved. >> >> Thanks, >> Erik K7TV >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to c-hawley at illinois.edu > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to ns9i at bayland.net > > From ab4iq at comcast.net Thu Mar 29 09:50:38 2018 From: ab4iq at comcast.net (AB4IQ) Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2018 08:50:38 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 power supply In-Reply-To: <8d596d5e-94e2-f437-d894-6f528298a488@triconet.org> References: <43FC1F10-B559-4CD8-8E70-820D69C0C1A7@gmail.com> <8d596d5e-94e2-f437-d894-6f528298a488@triconet.org> Message-ID: <000001d3c764$ec599ff0$c50cdfd0$@comcast.net> No problems here. I ran out of 110 outlets and had the 230VAC outlet empty and just changed the KPA500 to 230VAC from 120VAC and noticed no differences. Ed.. AB4IQ -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Wes Stewart Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2018 7:41 AM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA500 power supply Not a problem. Wes N7WS On 3/28/2018 11:17 PM, Dennis Haarsager wrote: > I am ready to order a KPA500 and wonder if anyone out there has regretted operating one from 115-volt service. > > Thanks and 73, > Dennis, at the moment CT9/N7DH > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ab4iq at comcast.net From 99sunset at gmail.com Thu Mar 29 09:54:11 2018 From: 99sunset at gmail.com (Steve Hall) Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2018 09:54:11 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Subject: KPA500 power supply Message-ID: I have run off of both 240 and 120 and can tell no difference. From johan at e-626.net Thu Mar 29 10:03:42 2018 From: johan at e-626.net (Johan Ymerson) Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2018 16:03:42 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 powers off when after several minutes of 12W carrier In-Reply-To: References: <000101d3c6f4$19a80d00$4cf82700$@com> Message-ID: <1826421.TZpWA7Y0b6@gantu> Yes that's my experience to. I get much better IMD at 20W than at 12 W. It would be better if the KPA3A, if present, was used for anything above 10W. /Johan, SM0XHJ On Thursday, 29 March 2018 14:39:49 CEST Wes Stewart wrote: > Doubt that. From what I've gathered during a lot of TX IMD testing on my > original K3 and my K3S, with several (lost count) different LPA and HPA > modules, it's a 10W amp. It's allowed to go to 12W but that's a really, > really bad idea, from an IMD standpoint. IIRC it's been asked that this be > "fixed" in firmware but it hasn't seemed to be put "on the list." > > Wes N7WS > > On 3/29/2018 4:50 AM, hawley, charles j jr wrote: > > How do we know that?s pushing it? Maybe the LPA is designed for 20 Watts > > and the K3 cuts them off at 12 Watts. > > > > Chuck Jack > > KE9UW > > > > Sent from my iPhone, cjack > > > >> On Mar 28, 2018, at 7:23 PM, "john at kk9a.com" wrote: > >> > >> Instead of pushing the 12 watt PA this hard it would sure be nice (and > >> cleaner) to have the option of using the KPA3A for 10-12 watts output. > >> > >> John KK9A > >> > >> > >> K7TV wrote: > >> > >> I have been testing sustained power capabilities of wideband HF > >> transformers for feeding EFHW antennas. This involves running high power > >> through HF transformers back to back into a dummy load. When running > >> 200W out of the KPA500, the K3 was indicating 12W, and I think that > >> means the 100W PA was not operating. After a few minutes the K3 totally > >> shut down. This had nothing to do with the transformers under test; I > >> get the same result when running the KPA500 at 200W directly into the > >> dummy load. After restart the K3 shows no sign of problem unless the > >> 200W endurance test is run again. Then I increased power just a little > >> bit so that the 100W stage kicked in. I got 300W out of the KPA500, and > >> now the K3 keeps going without shutting down. I can see how 12W may be a > >> bit much for the driver stage, but if so, shouldn't the 100W stage kick > >> in sooner? Also, I expected the K3/KPA500 combo to be able to produce > >> any power level I wanted within its range. What I see is that when the > >> 100W stage kicks in, the output (as seen on an analog meter) makes a big > >> jump so that certain power levels cannot be achieved. > >> > >> Thanks, > >> Erik K7TV > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to johan at e-626.net From k1whs at metrocast.net Thu Mar 29 11:12:20 2018 From: k1whs at metrocast.net (David Olean) Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2018 15:12:20 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Proper grounding for P3. In-Reply-To: <30a16291-526b-cf21-c899-8923a34db33e@embarqmail.com> References: <24e7236b-3414-d0c3-2e53-fca64b3c882d@metrocast.net> <30a16291-526b-cf21-c899-8923a34db33e@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: Don, Dave et al, Thanks for all the tips. I was really just wondering about where to drill holes in the P3, or if it should be bonded at all. I have been doing much reading on removing common mode signals and was happily on my way to achieving that with numerous lossy ferrite chokes at strategic spots.? The idea to daisy chain the bonding wire between "boxes" to minimize ground loops seems like a good one too. I will revise my grounding.? My goal was to make the ham shack as safe as possible for lightning protection, but the impetus for the project was discovering that common mode signals were creeping in on all my beverage feedlines.? There are really two different situations that are being addressed.? Reading ON4UN's book (The latest revision) was an eye opener as far as how common mode signals can mess up a beverage installation. Following his advice, I have made good strides in stripping unwanted noise from my feed lines.? I am bonding my station ground rods with the power entry panel ground as well.? That will? be an expensive undertaking as they are quite far apart. I am not looking forward to making the trench to bury the wire. Thanks again. I'll bite the bullet, drill a hole in the P3 and hope that it does not interfere with the yet un announced Elecraft P3 Cappuccino machine option. Dave K1WHS On 3/28/2018 9:08 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > David, > > If your goal is to reduce noise, hum, and buzz? in your station, then --- > much better than "grounding", use the "Bonding" techniques suggested > (and tested) in K9YC's information on the subject. > Basically, you bond from enclosure to enclosure with braid or heavy > wire - follow along the path of connecting audio cables and coax.? > When you finally get to the end of the path (amplifier or tuner), then > you can connect to your station ground.? Connecting each piece of > equipment separately to the station ground can actually make the hum, > noise, and buzz pickup worse. > > You are NOT grounding for RF, but for lightning and AC mains > protection for you and your family and pets. > Mother Earth is not a SINK for RF - that is what common mode chokes on > the coax are for, use effective ones. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 3/28/2018 2:54 PM, David Olean wrote: >> I have been rebuilding my little hamshack these last few days. I am >> only operating on one band (160M) so there is not much gear involved, >> but I am trying to do it all correctly to minimize noise pickup from >> common mode signals arriving in the shack from many RG-6 beverage >> feed lines. Most of my work is outdoors preventing common mode noise >> from propagating along the RG-6 coax.? To help things along inside >> the shack, I have installed a large copper buss bar with numerous >> attachment points for wide braid connections to all the AC powered >> equipment on the operating bench plus anything else that has RF or >> audio involved.? I have bonded everything to this buss bar and have >> routed a couple of #8 ground wires in conduit from the buss down to >> two ground rods situated below the shack. I have a separate ground >> rod about 25 ft away for grounding the beverage feed lines.?? I noted >> that several shack items had no provision for grounding.? One of them >> was the P3 panadaptor. > From jboehner01 at yahoo.com Thu Mar 29 10:47:30 2018 From: jboehner01 at yahoo.com (James F. Boehner MD) Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2018 10:47:30 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 power supply Message-ID: <007401d3c76c$de41dc90$9ac595b0$@yahoo.com> Absolutely no regrets. The Amp works just fine on 115 V service without so much as a dimming light on the same circuit. '73 de JIM N2ZZ -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Dennis Haarsager Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2018 2:18 AM To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 power supply I am ready to order a KPA500 and wonder if anyone out there has regretted operating one from 115-volt service. Thanks and 73, Dennis, at the moment CT9/N7DH Sent from my iPhone ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to jboehner01 at yahoo.com From donwilh at embarqmail.com Thu Mar 29 11:52:37 2018 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2018 11:52:37 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Proper grounding for P3. In-Reply-To: References: <24e7236b-3414-d0c3-2e53-fca64b3c882d@metrocast.net> <30a16291-526b-cf21-c899-8923a34db33e@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: David, You don't have to drill a hole, just connect the bonding strap to any screw on the enclosure. The entire purpose is to conduct the hum, buzz and noise onto the outer surface of the enclosure instead of letting it be conducted onto the ground plane of the circuits inside. If you will note, the BNC and other connectors do not connect to the enclosure, but the ground points are instead connected to the circuit board. In the old days, those connectors were mounted on the enclosure and then wired (on the inside) to the circuit board - today, the connectors are instead mounted directly to the circuit board, and have no electrical connection to the outside of the enclosure.? That is the classic "pin 1" problem. In the P3 situation, that can cause spikes from unknown sources in the display because of noise pickup on the coax shield. Remember, this is bonding, not grounding.? Ground is for AC mains and lightning protection safety. Yes, do connect those ground rods to the utility entrance ground with #6 or larger wire - that is protection for you, your family and pets in case of a fault anywhere in the wiring of your house. 73, Don W3FPR On 3/29/2018 11:12 AM, David Olean wrote: > Don, Dave et al, > > Thanks for all the tips. I was really just wondering about where to > drill holes in the P3, or if it should be bonded at all. I have been > doing much reading on removing common mode signals and was happily on > my way to achieving that with numerous lossy ferrite chokes at > strategic spots.? The idea to daisy chain the bonding wire between > "boxes" to minimize ground loops seems like a good one too. I will > revise my grounding.? My goal was to make the ham shack as safe as > possible for lightning protection, but the impetus for the project was > discovering that common mode signals were creeping in on all my > beverage feedlines.? There are really two different situations that > are being addressed.? Reading ON4UN's book (The latest revision) was > an eye opener as far as how common mode signals can mess up a beverage > installation. Following his advice, I have made good strides in > stripping unwanted noise from my feed lines.? I am bonding my station > ground rods with the power entry panel ground as well.? That will? be > an expensive undertaking as they are quite far apart. I am not looking > forward to making the trench to bury the wire. > > Thanks again. I'll bite the bullet, drill a hole in the P3 and hope > that it does not interfere with the yet un announced Elecraft P3 > Cappuccino machine option. > > Dave K1WHS > From radiok4ia at gmail.com Thu Mar 29 11:57:08 2018 From: radiok4ia at gmail.com (Buck) Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2018 11:57:08 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 power supply In-Reply-To: <000001d3c764$ec599ff0$c50cdfd0$@comcast.net> References: <43FC1F10-B559-4CD8-8E70-820D69C0C1A7@gmail.com> <8d596d5e-94e2-f437-d894-6f528298a488@triconet.org> <000001d3c764$ec599ff0$c50cdfd0$@comcast.net> Message-ID: <64124770-bfb4-d8c4-f74e-8787743f3b40@Gmail.com> It depends on what else is on your circuit. If you have a 15 amp circuit and you are already running two lamps, the rig, a computer and monitor, and a bunch of other accessories, you may exceed the circuit rating when you key down. Add up everything that is fed off the same circuit (not just the outlet). Buck, k4ia Honor Roll 8BDXCC EasyWayHamBooks.com On 3/29/2018 9:50 AM, AB4IQ wrote: > No problems here. I ran out of 110 outlets and had the 230VAC outlet empty and just changed the KPA500 to 230VAC from 120VAC and noticed no differences. > > Ed.. AB4IQ > > -----Original Message----- > From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Wes Stewart > Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2018 7:41 AM > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA500 power supply > > Not a problem. > > Wes N7WS > > On 3/28/2018 11:17 PM, Dennis Haarsager wrote: >> I am ready to order a KPA500 and wonder if anyone out there has regretted operating one from 115-volt service. >> >> Thanks and 73, >> Dennis, at the moment CT9/N7DH >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ab4iq at comcast.net > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to radiok4ia at gmail.com > From donovanf at starpower.net Thu Mar 29 12:05:05 2018 From: donovanf at starpower.net (donovanf at starpower.net) Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2018 12:05:05 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 power supply In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1800663245.429028.1522339505020.JavaMail.root@starpower.net> U.S. electrical utilities comply with ANSI C84.1-2011 which specifies a steady state service voltage of 120/240 volts +/- 5% measured at the point (typically the meter) where the electric systems of the supplier and the user are connected. Excursions of limited extent, frequency and duration to 110-127 volts are acceptable. Momentary transient under and over voltage excursions well outside this range are allowed. NEMA -- the National Electrical Manufacturers Association -- recommends that all electrical appliances and motors operate at 120 volts +/- 10% although not necessarily at an optimal condition beyond +/- 5% 73 Frank W3LPL ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Subich, W4TV" To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2018 1:40:55 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA500 power supply > (not sure why we call it 220, 'cuz i think it's actually 230v) Because the original standard was 110/220V ... as power consumption has increased and distribution utilities have attempted to reduce losses it crept up to 112/224, then 115/230, 117/234 and now runs 120/240 in many locations. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 3/29/2018 9:19 AM, Chris Hallinan wrote: > As others have commented, the amp works just fine on 110v. In my case, > every dit and dah resulted in a slight but noticeable dimming of the lights > in my shack and an adjoining room. After putting in a dedicated 220V > circuit, (not sure why we call it 220, 'cuz i think it's actually 230v) no > dimming at all, and no complaints from the better half! ;) > > 73 de K1AY > Chris > > On Thu, Mar 29, 2018 at 2:17 AM, Dennis Haarsager > wrote: > >> I am ready to order a KPA500 and wonder if anyone out there has regretted >> operating one from 115-volt service. >> >> Thanks and 73, >> Dennis, at the moment CT9/N7DH >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to challinan at gmail.com >> > > > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to donovanf at starpower.net From c-hawley at illinois.edu Thu Mar 29 12:29:11 2018 From: c-hawley at illinois.edu (hawley, charles j jr) Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2018 16:29:11 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 power supply In-Reply-To: <43FC1F10-B559-4CD8-8E70-820D69C0C1A7@gmail.com> References: <43FC1F10-B559-4CD8-8E70-820D69C0C1A7@gmail.com> Message-ID: <276D3D6C9D5C8C4484211E9839FDE1AB49E74F54@CITESMBX5.ad.uillinois.edu> I did until I got the 240 vac cord and it worked the same on 240 vac as on 120 vac regarding PA voltage drop with key down. So I think it's fine on the 120 vac. Chuck Hawley c-hawley at illinois.edu Amateur Radio, KE9UW aka Jack, BMW Motorcycles ________________________________________ From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] on behalf of Dennis Haarsager [haarsager at gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2018 1:17 AM To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 power supply I am ready to order a KPA500 and wonder if anyone out there has regretted operating one from 115-volt service. Thanks and 73, Dennis, at the moment CT9/N7DH Sent from my iPhone ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to c-hawley at illinois.edu From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Thu Mar 29 13:02:05 2018 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2018 10:02:05 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 power supply In-Reply-To: References: <43FC1F10-B559-4CD8-8E70-820D69C0C1A7@gmail.com> Message-ID: <46db6158-63ba-0a0e-1882-efae498b46d0@audiosystemsgroup.com> On 3/29/2018 5:03 AM, David Bunte wrote: > I have operated mine from my 120 volt service in my shack for years with no > issues at all. Most folks I have talked to about it do as well. One friend > used his on 240 and I could detect no difference in performance. I run mine on 240V in the shack and on 120V in W6GJB's contesting trailer when we're running on a Honda generator. The only potential issue with 120V operation is excessive voltage drop in a long and undersized run from the breaker panel to the outlet where the KPA500 is plugged in. This can be partially compensated by changing the transformer tap, as detailed in the manual. It's pretty simple -- remove the top cover, change the tap, and close the cover. 73, Jim K9YC From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Thu Mar 29 13:06:58 2018 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2018 10:06:58 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Proper grounding for P3. In-Reply-To: References: <24e7236b-3414-d0c3-2e53-fca64b3c882d@metrocast.net> <30a16291-526b-cf21-c899-8923a34db33e@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: On 3/29/2018 8:52 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > Yes, do connect those ground rods to the utility entrance ground with > #6 or larger wire - that is protection for you, your family and pets > in case of a fault anywhere in the wiring of your house. AND, for that reason, it's REQUIRED BY LAW! 73, Jim K9YC From donwilh at embarqmail.com Thu Mar 29 13:06:24 2018 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2018 13:06:24 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 powers off when after several minutes of 12W carrier In-Reply-To: <002701d3c758$453a6260$cfaf2720$@verizon.net> References: <051501d3c650$792a6060$6b7f2120$@cox.net> <5A268358-0F2D-4FC0-8C87-AC18010F593B@coastside.net> <002701d3c758$453a6260$cfaf2720$@verizon.net> Message-ID: <570d826c-b57a-16ae-bf1d-48a07c9963bb@embarqmail.com> Tony, Unless you have a very old K3, the thermal pads should already be in place. Remove the rear bottom panel to see if they are present. The thermal conductivity of the pads is the important parameter. Get the correct thermal pads from Elecraft, they are effective p/n E700002 - Adhesive Thermal pads TO220 size. They are easy to apply. 73, Don W3FPR On 3/29/2018 8:20 AM, N2TK, Tony wrote: > Anything special about the thermal pads they recommend or the placement of > the pads? Is there anything on the Elecraft site I missed on this? > Tnx > N2TK, Tony > From rlvz at aol.com Thu Mar 29 13:46:43 2018 From: rlvz at aol.com (rlvz at aol.com) Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2018 13:46:43 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 request In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <16272de69b0-179e-156d@webjas-vae177.srv.aolmail.net> Since the 4O3A Antenna Genius "in its original form" is not compatible with a K3, that's an excellent reason for Elecraft to offer a good Remote Antenna Switch as an accessory which is compatible. ?There are hams like me who work long hours and don't have time for homebrewing. ?That said, NS9I tells me that Green Heron offers Antenna Switches with interfaces which are compatible with the K3. ? Thank You to everyone who replied to my request for information. ? 73, Dick- K9OM ? ? In a message dated 3/29/2018 9:46:36 AM Eastern Standard Time, elecraft-request at mailman.qth.net writes: ? On Wed, Mar 28, 2018 at 7:36 PM, Jack Brindle wrote: > Anyone contemplating getting one of these for use with an Elecraft radio > should contact N6TV. He has circuits that can make the Antenna Genius > compatible with the K3?s BCD antenna selection signals. > in its original form the two are not directly compatible. > > - Jack, W6FB From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Thu Mar 29 13:56:43 2018 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2018 10:56:43 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 request In-Reply-To: <16272de69b0-179e-156d@webjas-vae177.srv.aolmail.net> References: <16272de69b0-179e-156d@webjas-vae177.srv.aolmail.net> Message-ID: <5f9e213b-38df-af79-407f-d60e04ad8940@audiosystemsgroup.com> On 3/29/2018 10:46 AM, Dick via Elecraft wrote: > Since the 4O3A Antenna Genius "in its original form" is not compatible with a K3, that's an excellent reason for Elecraft to offer a good Remote Antenna Switch as an accessory which is compatible. Is the KRC2 no longer in production?? It provides outputs that can drive almost any bandswitching logic, including the 4O3A gear. 73, Jim K9YC From pvandyke1953 at gmail.com Thu Mar 29 14:02:04 2018 From: pvandyke1953 at gmail.com (Paul Van Dyke) Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2018 14:02:04 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 request In-Reply-To: <5f9e213b-38df-af79-407f-d60e04ad8940@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <16272de69b0-179e-156d@webjas-vae177.srv.aolmail.net> <5f9e213b-38df-af79-407f-d60e04ad8940@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: If I remember what Eric and Wayne have said in the past, they don't mind having 3rd parties making accessories that enhance the Elecraft products. They (Elecraft) does not have to make it all.. Paul -- KB9AVO From bbaines at mac.com Thu Mar 29 14:30:03 2018 From: bbaines at mac.com (Barry Baines) Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2018 13:30:03 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 powers off when after several minutes of 12W carrier In-Reply-To: <570d826c-b57a-16ae-bf1d-48a07c9963bb@embarqmail.com> References: <051501d3c650$792a6060$6b7f2120$@cox.net> <5A268358-0F2D-4FC0-8C87-AC18010F593B@coastside.net> <002701d3c758$453a6260$cfaf2720$@verizon.net> <570d826c-b57a-16ae-bf1d-48a07c9963bb@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <22651950-663A-4C32-A30B-90C68B721D94@mac.com> Don: I have the K3-KPA500-KAT500 purchased in August 2014. Using the Y-Box offered by Bob Wilson, N6TV which he configured me, I have the K3 attached to Antenna Genius (AG) Radio Port A with BCD and it works well. Similarly, I?m using the USB interface on the Flex-6700 to provide BCD to the AG on Radio Port B and it works well. The key advantage of this approach is that I primarily operate remote. Using BCD for both devices means I don?t have to run the AG app on a PC to match the antenna port of either radio upon startup of each radio, ensuring that the proper antenna for the desired operating band is selected (Tribander or Offset Half-wave wire). Of course, if I want to select a second antenna port for the desired band (such as a dummy load), I can still use the AG app to make the change. One thing to point out is that BCD configuration for 160M is different between the K3 and AG, so it isn?t possible to select an antenna defined as 160M. The DB-15 pin assignments of the AG and K3 ACC lines for BCD logic also differs. As I recall, there is also a voltage level difference between Elecraft and AG when using BCD and Bob had to build a circuit within the Y-Box setup to compensate for this. Bob posted an e-mail to this list on 15 SEP 17 describing how he configured the Y-Box to work with AG and still allow the KPA-500, KAT-500 to function as intended. My recommendation for those with a K3 who want to have a BCD connection to an Antenna Genius should consider Bob?s Y-Box configuration for AG as an effective interface between the two devices. FWIW, Barry Baines, WD4ASW Keller, TX > On Mar 29, 2018, at 12:06 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > > Tony, > > Unless you have a very old K3, the thermal pads should already be in place. Remove the rear bottom panel to see if they are present. > > The thermal conductivity of the pads is the important parameter. Get the correct thermal pads from Elecraft, they are effective p/n E700002 - Adhesive Thermal pads TO220 size. They are easy to apply. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 3/29/2018 8:20 AM, N2TK, Tony wrote: >> Anything special about the thermal pads they recommend or the placement of >> the pads? Is there anything on the Elecraft site I missed on this? >> Tnx >> N2TK, Tony > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to bbaines at mac.com From KD7RJ at frontier.com Thu Mar 29 14:32:25 2018 From: KD7RJ at frontier.com (Ron Gould) Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2018 11:32:25 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft KXPD2 Attached Precision Keyer Paddle Message-ID: <451D8F49-1EE0-4CEF-BFA8-1D56BD2F3F9E@frontier.com> Elecraft KXPD2 Attached Precision Keyer Paddle, like new never used. $100 shipped USA, less than one year old. From va3mw at portcredit.net Thu Mar 29 15:00:49 2018 From: va3mw at portcredit.net (Michael Walker) Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2018 15:00:49 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 request In-Reply-To: References: <16272de69b0-179e-156d@webjas-vae177.srv.aolmail.net> <5f9e213b-38df-af79-407f-d60e04ad8940@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: Jim is correct. the KRC2 is just the device for the job with the AG. Mike va3mw On Thu, Mar 29, 2018 at 2:02 PM, Paul Van Dyke wrote: > If I remember what Eric and Wayne have said in the past, they don't > mind having 3rd parties making accessories that enhance the Elecraft > products. They (Elecraft) does not have to make it all.. > > Paul -- KB9AVO > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to va3mw at portcredit.net > From frantz at pwpconsult.com Thu Mar 29 18:58:33 2018 From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz) Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2018 15:58:33 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Who's On First? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On my Mac system, it doesn't seem to matter whether the radio or the computer starts first. The USB interface to my upgraded K3 is powered from the computer with enough functionality that the computer recognizes it without the radio being on. In any case, start wsjt-x last because it will try to talk to the radio for rig control and harass you until it can succeed. I've been in this situation enough times to know that starting the radio, waiting until the radio is ready to talk to the computer and then clicking "Retry" works. 73 Bill AE6JV On 3/28/18 at 6:42 AM, FlatHat at comcast.net (Richard) wrote: >A while back, someone commented upon the correct order in which >to power up when running WSJT-X, but I can?t remember. It was >either K3S first, then computer and software? or the other >way around. > >Please refresh my memory. And, by the way, why is it the way it is? > >Cheers. >Richard -- W4KBX --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz |"After all, if the conventional wisdom was working, the 408-356-8506 | rate of systems being compromised would be going down, www.pwpconsult.com | wouldn't it?" -- Marcus Ranum From frantz at pwpconsult.com Thu Mar 29 18:58:34 2018 From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz) Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2018 15:58:34 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Proper grounding for P3. In-Reply-To: <6db54464-54f9-4494-1328-4bff332f8ae6@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: I added a solder lug that fit over the female BNC connector on the P3 for bonding. On other boxes, I removed one of the screws and put it through the braid. I'm bonding my all aluminum Mac laptop with a bit of braid and a clothes pin. It comes off easily when I need to take the computer with me. 73 Bill AE6JV On 3/28/18 at 3:44 PM, jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) wrote: >Yes, you should add a suitable bonding point for any gear that >lacks it. Just make sure that whatever point you choose isn't >insulated from the chassis by paint. :) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Bill Frantz |"Insofar as the propositions of mathematics refer to 408-356-8506 | reality, they are not certain; and insofar they are www.pwpconsult.com | certain, they do not refer to reality.? -- Einstein From mike.flowers at gmail.com Thu Mar 29 19:24:41 2018 From: mike.flowers at gmail.com (Mike Flowers) Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2018 16:24:41 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Proper grounding for P3. In-Reply-To: References: <6db54464-54f9-4494-1328-4bff332f8ae6@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <01f701d3c7b5$1d8d64d0$58a82e70$@gmail.com> My PC is always on, so K3 next, then fire up HRD, N1MM+ or whatever next. Works every time ... - 73 and good DX de Mike, K6MKF, Past President - NCDXC > -----Original Message----- > From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net > On Behalf Of Bill Frantz > Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2018 3:59 PM > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net; k1whs at metrocast.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Proper grounding for P3. > > I added a solder lug that fit over the female BNC connector on the P3 for > bonding. On other boxes, I removed one of the screws and put it through the > braid. I'm bonding my all aluminum Mac laptop with a bit of braid and a clothes > pin. It comes off easily when I need to take the computer with me. > > 73 Bill AE6JV > > On 3/28/18 at 3:44 PM, jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) wrote: > > >Yes, you should add a suitable bonding point for any gear that lacks > >it. Just make sure that whatever point you choose isn't insulated from > >the chassis by paint. :) > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Bill Frantz |"Insofar as the propositions of mathematics > refer to > 408-356-8506 | reality, they are not certain; and insofar > they are > www.pwpconsult.com | certain, they do not refer to reality.? > -- Einstein > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message > delivered to mike.flowers at gmail.com From phystad at mac.com Thu Mar 29 19:31:02 2018 From: phystad at mac.com (Phil Hystad) Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2018 16:31:02 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] P3SVGA and 20 inch Display Message-ID: I am considering finally getting the P3SVGA option for my P3. I do have a 20 inch HDMI display supporting a variety of resolutions. I plan to use with an SVGA to HDMI conversion cable. So, I am wondering how the P3 TX Monitor display shows up on the SVGA display. I assume either not at all or just like it does on my P3 window. Or, maybe different. For example, I use my P3 in the display mode that has the bar graphs showing PEP and SWR. Are these supported on the SVGA controlled display? It would be nice if there were some color images of the SVGA display showing actual signals that include the TX Monitor display information as well as TX and RX data decoding windows on the display. Do any of those exist? Thanks, 73, phil, K7PEH From dennis at mail4life.net Thu Mar 29 19:36:35 2018 From: dennis at mail4life.net (Dennis Moore) Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2018 16:36:35 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] P3SVGA and 20 inch Display In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7c4aaeb6-13ec-5277-f436-49f0d58c6159@mail4life.net> TX Monitor does not appear on the external monitor. If I really need to look at it I check the P3, otherwise I'm always checking the external monitor. It's worth it even without the TX monitor display. 73, Dennis NJ6G On 3/29/2018 16:31, Phil Hystad wrote: > I am considering finally getting the P3SVGA option for my P3. I do have a 20 inch HDMI display supporting a variety of resolutions. I plan to use with an SVGA to HDMI conversion cable. > > So, I am wondering how the P3 TX Monitor display shows up on the SVGA display. I assume either not at all or just like it does on my P3 window. Or, maybe different. For example, I use my P3 in the display mode that has the bar graphs showing PEP and SWR. Are these supported on the SVGA controlled display? > > It would be nice if there were some color images of the SVGA display showing actual signals that include the TX Monitor display information as well as TX and RX data decoding windows on the display. Do any of those exist? > > Thanks, > > 73, phil, K7PEH From phystad at mac.com Thu Mar 29 19:54:06 2018 From: phystad at mac.com (Phil Hystad) Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2018 16:54:06 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] P3SVGA and 20 inch Display In-Reply-To: <7c4aaeb6-13ec-5277-f436-49f0d58c6159@mail4life.net> References: <7c4aaeb6-13ec-5277-f436-49f0d58c6159@mail4life.net> Message-ID: Dennis, Thanks, so SVGA display has zero knowledge of the existence of the TX Monitor information (not the RF Envelope and not the TX PEP/SWR windows). Was there any sort of statement from Elecraft on the non-support of SVGA of the TX Monitor? If there was I most likely missed it. If I remember, TX Monitor came after the advent of the SVGA option. However, not big deal as, like you said, there is always the P3 to look at if needed. 73, phil > On Mar 29, 2018, at 4:36 PM, Dennis Moore wrote: > > TX Monitor does not appear on the external monitor. If I really need to look at it I check the P3, otherwise I'm always checking the external monitor. It's worth it even without the TX monitor display. > > 73, Dennis NJ6G > > > On 3/29/2018 16:31, Phil Hystad wrote: >> I am considering finally getting the P3SVGA option for my P3. I do have a 20 inch HDMI display supporting a variety of resolutions. I plan to use with an SVGA to HDMI conversion cable. >> >> So, I am wondering how the P3 TX Monitor display shows up on the SVGA display. I assume either not at all or just like it does on my P3 window. Or, maybe different. For example, I use my P3 in the display mode that has the bar graphs showing PEP and SWR. Are these supported on the SVGA controlled display? >> >> It would be nice if there were some color images of the SVGA display showing actual signals that include the TX Monitor display information as well as TX and RX data decoding windows on the display. Do any of those exist? >> >> Thanks, >> >> 73, phil, K7PEH > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to phystad at mac.com From donovanf at starpower.net Thu Mar 29 19:58:44 2018 From: donovanf at starpower.net (donovanf at starpower.net) Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2018 19:58:44 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Elecraft] P3SVGA and 20 inch Display In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1012138958.177504.1522367924021.JavaMail.root@starpower.net> Hi Phil, The details you missed are here: http://www.elecraft.com/manual/P3%20Xmit%20Mon%20FAQ-ver-A-7.pdf The TX Monitor works great with the P3 display, no need for it to be displayed on a large monitor. On the other hand, the other P3 displays benefit greatly from the SVGA option. 73 Frank W3LPL ----- Original Message ----- From: "Phil Hystad" To: "Dennis Moore" Cc: "Elecraft" Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2018 11:54:06 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3SVGA and 20 inch Display Dennis, Thanks, so SVGA display has zero knowledge of the existence of the TX Monitor information (not the RF Envelope and not the TX PEP/SWR windows). Was there any sort of statement from Elecraft on the non-support of SVGA of the TX Monitor? If there was I most likely missed it. If I remember, TX Monitor came after the advent of the SVGA option. However, not big deal as, like you said, there is always the P3 to look at if needed. 73, phil > On Mar 29, 2018, at 4:36 PM, Dennis Moore wrote: > > TX Monitor does not appear on the external monitor. If I really need to look at it I check the P3, otherwise I'm always checking the external monitor. It's worth it even without the TX monitor display. > > 73, Dennis NJ6G > > > On 3/29/2018 16:31, Phil Hystad wrote: >> I am considering finally getting the P3SVGA option for my P3. I do have a 20 inch HDMI display supporting a variety of resolutions. I plan to use with an SVGA to HDMI conversion cable. >> >> So, I am wondering how the P3 TX Monitor display shows up on the SVGA display. I assume either not at all or just like it does on my P3 window. Or, maybe different. For example, I use my P3 in the display mode that has the bar graphs showing PEP and SWR. Are these supported on the SVGA controlled display? >> >> It would be nice if there were some color images of the SVGA display showing actual signals that include the TX Monitor display information as well as TX and RX data decoding windows on the display. Do any of those exist? >> >> Thanks, >> >> 73, phil, K7PEH > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to phystad at mac.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to donovanf at starpower.net From g4gnx at g4gnx.com Thu Mar 29 20:01:44 2018 From: g4gnx at g4gnx.com (G4GNX) Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2018 01:01:44 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] P3SVGA and 20 inch Display In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I use the P3 with a 32 inch monitor and the display is excellent. I wouldn't be without it. 73, Alan. G4GNX -----Original Message----- From: Phil Hystad Sent: Friday, March 30, 2018 12:31 AM To: Elecraft Subject: [Elecraft] P3SVGA and 20 inch Display I am considering finally getting the P3SVGA option for my P3. I do have a 20 inch HDMI display supporting a variety of resolutions. I plan to use with an SVGA to HDMI conversion cable. So, I am wondering how the P3 TX Monitor display shows up on the SVGA display. I assume either not at all or just like it does on my P3 window. Or, maybe different. For example, I use my P3 in the display mode that has the bar graphs showing PEP and SWR. Are these supported on the SVGA controlled display? It would be nice if there were some color images of the SVGA display showing actual signals that include the TX Monitor display information as well as TX and RX data decoding windows on the display. Do any of those exist? Thanks, 73, phil, K7PEH From donwilh at embarqmail.com Thu Mar 29 20:11:53 2018 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2018 20:11:53 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Who's On First? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0298fe20-1e06-67bd-2957-1c2f0c507fae@embarqmail.com> Bill, If you have updated the K3 firmware in the last few months, it does not make any difference whether the K3 or the computer is turned on first. The K3 now has a SAFE mode that disables DTR and RTS until it receives some command like polling for frequency, mode, etc. from your software application. You can go into the K3 CONFIG menu for KEY-PTT and turn it to unsafe if you have devices that monitor the RS-232 bus and do not issue any commands (SteppIR controllers for one instance). Look at the firmware release notes for the past 3 months. BTW, the firmware release notes should be considered an addition to your K3/K3S manual. Do not overlook them. 73, Don W3FPR On 3/29/2018 6:58 PM, Bill Frantz wrote: > On my Mac system, it doesn't seem to matter whether the radio or the > computer starts first. The USB interface to my upgraded K3 is powered > from the computer with enough functionality that the computer recognizes > it without the radio being on. > > In any case, start wsjt-x last because it will try to talk to the radio > for rig control and harass you until it can succeed. I've been in this > situation enough times to know that starting the radio, waiting until > the radio is ready to talk to the computer and then clicking "Retry" works. > > 73 Bill AE6JV > From kevinr at coho.net Thu Mar 29 20:27:32 2018 From: kevinr at coho.net (kevinr) Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2018 17:27:32 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Who's On First? In-Reply-To: <0298fe20-1e06-67bd-2957-1c2f0c507fae@embarqmail.com> References: <0298fe20-1e06-67bd-2957-1c2f0c507fae@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: The real question is the name of the right fielder? ??? Kevin.? KD5ONS On 03/29/2018 05:11 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > Bill, > > If you have updated the K3 firmware in the last few months, it does > not make any difference whether the K3 or the computer is turned on > first. > The K3 now has a SAFE mode that disables DTR and RTS until it receives > some command like polling for frequency, mode, etc. from your software > application. > > You can go into the K3 CONFIG menu for KEY-PTT and turn it to unsafe > if you have devices that monitor the RS-232 bus and do not issue any > commands (SteppIR controllers for one instance). > > Look at the firmware release notes for the past 3 months. > BTW, the firmware release notes should be considered an addition to > your K3/K3S manual.? Do not overlook them. > > 73, > Don W3FPR From bwruble at gmail.com Thu Mar 29 20:38:13 2018 From: bwruble at gmail.com (Brian F. Wruble) Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2018 00:38:13 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 power supply In-Reply-To: <43FC1F10-B559-4CD8-8E70-820D69C0C1A7@gmail.com> References: <43FC1F10-B559-4CD8-8E70-820D69C0C1A7@gmail.com> Message-ID: I use 115. Works fine. It is a very robust device. 73 de Brian W3BW On Thu, Mar 29, 2018 at 2:19 AM Dennis Haarsager wrote: > I am ready to order a KPA500 and wonder if anyone out there has regretted > operating one from 115-volt service. > > Thanks and 73, > Dennis, at the moment CT9/N7DH > > Sent from my iPhone > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to bwruble at gmail.com > -- *Brian F. Wruble, C.F.A. The Conch Republic "We seceded where others failed." From joe at k2uf.com Thu Mar 29 20:47:12 2018 From: joe at k2uf.com (Joe K2UF) Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2018 20:47:12 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 power supply In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I have been using my KPA500 for over 7 years using an Astron 35amp supply on 115v . I use it mostly for chasing DX and contesting on CW. I regularly push it up to 650 to 700 watts. No problems. Good luck es 73 Joe K2UF -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Brian F. Wruble Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2018 8:38 PM To: Dennis Haarsager Cc: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA500 power supply I use 115. Works fine. It is a very robust device. 73 de Brian W3BW On Thu, Mar 29, 2018 at 2:19 AM Dennis Haarsager wrote: > I am ready to order a KPA500 and wonder if anyone out there has > regretted operating one from 115-volt service. > > Thanks and 73, > Dennis, at the moment CT9/N7DH > > Sent from my iPhone > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > bwruble at gmail.com > -- *Brian F. Wruble, C.F.A. The Conch Republic "We seceded where others failed." ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to joe at k2uf.com --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. http://www.avg.com From gliderboy1955 at yahoo.com Thu Mar 29 21:05:26 2018 From: gliderboy1955 at yahoo.com (eric norris) Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2018 01:05:26 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] K3 powers off at 12W References: <476164911.97009.1522371926799.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <476164911.97009.1522371926799@mail.yahoo.com> I suggested an option years ago where we could have the KPA3 cut in earlier than 13 watts on digital modes.? If there is a reason this is undesireable, I would love to know why.? I don't operate my K3 between 5 and 15w for just this reason.? If I want 10w, I run it through an HFPacker amp instead. 73 Eric WD6DBM I've blown the LPA's twice running with Ft8 at 12w, with and without? pads. They do not like 12w for extended times, period ... proceed with? caution! You can run 11w all day with no problems. 73 Dwight NS9I Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android From dave at nk7z.net Thu Mar 29 21:35:18 2018 From: dave at nk7z.net (Dave Cole (NK7Z)) Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2018 18:35:18 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] P3SVGA and 20 inch Display In-Reply-To: <7c4aaeb6-13ec-5277-f436-49f0d58c6159@mail4life.net> References: <7c4aaeb6-13ec-5277-f436-49f0d58c6159@mail4life.net> Message-ID: Another benefit of the SVGA kit is that you can add an external keypad to your K3 for triggering macros stored in the P3... See: https://www.nk7z.net/adding-external-keypad-k3/ I used this during the recent contest last weekend, and the only reason I touched the radio was to tune it, or change the passband. Pretty much used the keypad for the entire contest. Having 50 macros at the press of a key is a lot of fun in contests... 73s and thanks, Dave NK7Z https://www.nk7z.net On 03/29/2018 04:36 PM, Dennis Moore wrote: > TX Monitor does not appear on the external monitor. If I really need to > look at it I check the P3, otherwise I'm always checking the external > monitor. It's worth it even without the TX monitor display. > > 73, Dennis NJ6G > > > On 3/29/2018 16:31, Phil Hystad wrote: >> I am considering finally getting the P3SVGA option for my P3.? I do >> have a 20 inch HDMI display supporting a variety of resolutions.? I >> plan to use with an SVGA to HDMI conversion cable. >> >> So, I am wondering how the P3 TX Monitor display shows up on the SVGA >> display.? I assume either not at all or just like it does on my P3 >> window.? Or, maybe different.? For example, I use my P3 in the display >> mode that has the bar graphs showing PEP and SWR.? Are these supported >> on the SVGA controlled display? >> >> It would be nice if there were some color images of the SVGA display >> showing actual signals that include the TX Monitor display information >> as well as TX and RX data decoding windows on the display.? Do any of >> those exist? >> >> Thanks, >> >> 73, phil, K7PEH > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dave at nk7z.net From kl7uw at acsalaska.net Thu Mar 29 21:42:05 2018 From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole) Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2018 17:42:05 -0800 Subject: [Elecraft] K3: Lack of ALC meter response Message-ID: <201803300142.w2U1g6Wt011672@mail47c28.carrierzone.com> Recently checking audio drive to my K3 in support of JT65, I noted the ALC meter not registering normal 4-bars stead 5th flickering. Immediately checking audio level setting from my emu0202 soundcard (I use the headphone jack because it has an adjustable pot for level = manual knob vs computer dialog window slider). Thus I do not use the internal soundcard in my computer (crapped out years ago). Emu0202 connects via USB port. Next i checked audio lines. Then finally used a different soundcard. All result in two bars showing on ALC meter and not adjustable. So I am suspecting failure in the indication ckts. Final test was doing some JT65 moon-bounce where my signal was successfully received and decoded, indicating that I was probably modulating properly. The peaking of the RF power meter looked right (there is about 2% variation in power on Bird power meter in conjunction with tones). So what should I look for? Is there any menu setting that could be incorrect? Or does this suggest component failure in ALC metering? Remember that I have 14 years experience using JT65, and seven using the K3 on JT65. Seems incredulous that I could be making a "pilot error". But accidental button push is a possiblity. Yes, I tried adjusting Line-IN with no indicated change on the ALC meter. This was using a tone test/set up mode in WSJT providing steady single freq. tones. 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com Dubus-NA Business mail: dubususa at gmail.com From k9yeq at live.com Thu Mar 29 21:43:15 2018 From: k9yeq at live.com (Bill Johnson) Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2018 01:43:15 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 power supply In-Reply-To: <43FC1F10-B559-4CD8-8E70-820D69C0C1A7@gmail.com> References: <43FC1F10-B559-4CD8-8E70-820D69C0C1A7@gmail.com> Message-ID: Never in a flash. Super quality and operation. Proof you get Elecraft and what you pay for!!! 73, Bill K9YEQ -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of Dennis Haarsager Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2018 1:18 AM To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 power supply I am ready to order a KPA500 and wonder if anyone out there has regretted operating one from 115-volt service. Thanks and 73, Dennis, at the moment CT9/N7DH Sent from my iPhone ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to k9yeq at live.com From richkappler at gmail.com Thu Mar 29 21:54:39 2018 From: richkappler at gmail.com (richard kappler) Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2018 01:54:39 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft customer service In-Reply-To: References: <3B336699-2038-425A-8A49-A76EC00BF60E@ecsecurityinc.com> <351d146c-3d68-b11b-96a7-ad66c5291dd3@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: I got my radio today, thanks entirely to Michelle at Elecraft. As explained previously, I called yesterday to inform Elecraft, ask about their process in cases like this. Michelle explained it to me carefully and clearly, then told me she would work on it from her end, but she probably wouldn?t hear anything for 2-3 days. By yesterday afternoon she had opened a case with USPS. As I understand it she also called the San Jose distribution center, called my local post office, determined it had erroneously been placed in a sort-by-hand bin instead of on a plane to the east coast. Last night it was on a plane, before sunrise it was on a truck to my local post office, and by noonish it was at my door. Hooray for Elecraft customer service, God bless Michelle and, WOW! What a radio! Hooked it up and checked it out for about ten minutes, simply amazing. Wayne, do me a favor, buy that young lady a coffee and a dozen roses, send me the bill. Now I?m off to read. Thanks to all, 73 Richard, W2KAP On Thu, Mar 29, 2018 at 12:44 AM Rick Tavan wrote: > [OT] Phil's comment about PO boxes reminds me to remind readers about two > lesser known shipping concepts: > > 1. Anyone with a PO box knows that they are for USPS mail only and won't > accept mail from couriers like FedEx and UPS. Except that some > individual > POs will let you have a package shipped by courier to the Post Office's > own > street address plus your box number in some disguised format. You have > to > talk to your postmaster. > 2. In some rural areas, maybe others as well, some couriers subcontract > final delivery to the USPS. That's fine if you have a mailbox, even if > the > package is too big to fit and the mail carrier leaves it on your porch > or > under your rural mailbox. But if you don't have a home mailbox or legal > mail slot, and a courier accepts a package addressed to your street > address, and then hands it off to the PO for delivery, USPS will return > the > package to sender because it violates THEIR (USPS's) rules. The > courier's > rules no longer apply. Catch 22 of sorts. (The one time it happened to > me, > the shipper cancelled the order, refunded my money, then the product > went > on sale a few weeks later and I reordered, saving $200, sort of poetic > justice. Don't count on it!) > > /Rick N6XI > > > Rick Tavan > Truckee, CA > > On Wed, Mar 28, 2018 at 7:41 PM, Phil Kane wrote: > > > On 3/28/2018 5:43 PM, Rick Tavan wrote: > > > > Another thing to check for missing packages is your neighbors. > >> > > > > Good advice. One other "wrinkle". In general, I have goods sent to my > > P.O. Box unless he nature of the order indicates freight delivery or the > > shipper prefers home delivery. In general, the USPS has been good, but > > lately I had not one, not two, but three instances where the tracking > > showed that it was delivered to the box several days before. Turns out > > that the box clerk was either lazy or incompetent and did not leave the > > required pick-up notice in the box directing me to the counter. In one > > case the station manager searched all over in the station for > prescription > > medications several days overdue and finally found it hidden away > > somewhere. The moral of the story - get the tracking number from the > > shipper and follow it on line from the shipper's notification to the USPS > > through to the delivery attempts. > > > > Although I haven't had occasion to use Elecraft customer support, I feel > > confident that it will be there when I need it. > > > > ---- > > Phil Kane - Beaverton, OR > > PNWR CP Hall MP 29.9 - OE District > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to rtavan at gmail.com > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to richkappler at gmail.com > -- W2KAP In any given circuit, the most expensive part will always sacrifice itself to protect the fuse. From k9yeq at live.com Thu Mar 29 21:57:06 2018 From: k9yeq at live.com (Bill Johnson) Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2018 01:57:06 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft customer service In-Reply-To: References: <3B336699-2038-425A-8A49-A76EC00BF60E@ecsecurityinc.com> <351d146c-3d68-b11b-96a7-ad66c5291dd3@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: Whew!!!! 73, Bill K9YEQ -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of richard kappler Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2018 8:55 PM To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft customer service I got my radio today, thanks entirely to Michelle at Elecraft. As explained previously, I called yesterday to inform Elecraft, ask about their process in cases like this. Michelle explained it to me carefully and clearly, then told me she would work on it from her end, but she probably wouldn?t hear anything for 2-3 days. By yesterday afternoon she had opened a case with USPS. As I understand it she also called the San Jose distribution center, called my local post office, determined it had erroneously been placed in a sort-by-hand bin instead of on a plane to the east coast. Last night it was on a plane, before sunrise it was on a truck to my local post office, and by noonish it was at my door. Hooray for Elecraft customer service, God bless Michelle and, WOW! What a radio! Hooked it up and checked it out for about ten minutes, simply amazing. Wayne, do me a favor, buy that young lady a coffee and a dozen roses, send me the bill. Now I?m off to read. Thanks to all, 73 Richard, W2KAP On Thu, Mar 29, 2018 at 12:44 AM Rick Tavan wrote: > [OT] Phil's comment about PO boxes reminds me to remind readers about > two lesser known shipping concepts: > > 1. Anyone with a PO box knows that they are for USPS mail only and won't > accept mail from couriers like FedEx and UPS. Except that some > individual > POs will let you have a package shipped by courier to the Post > Office's own > street address plus your box number in some disguised format. You > have to > talk to your postmaster. > 2. In some rural areas, maybe others as well, some couriers subcontract > final delivery to the USPS. That's fine if you have a mailbox, even > if the > package is too big to fit and the mail carrier leaves it on your > porch or > under your rural mailbox. But if you don't have a home mailbox or legal > mail slot, and a courier accepts a package addressed to your street > address, and then hands it off to the PO for delivery, USPS will > return the > package to sender because it violates THEIR (USPS's) rules. The > courier's > rules no longer apply. Catch 22 of sorts. (The one time it happened > to me, > the shipper cancelled the order, refunded my money, then the > product went > on sale a few weeks later and I reordered, saving $200, sort of poetic > justice. Don't count on it!) > > /Rick N6XI > > > Rick Tavan > Truckee, CA > > On Wed, Mar 28, 2018 at 7:41 PM, Phil Kane wrote: > > > On 3/28/2018 5:43 PM, Rick Tavan wrote: > > > > Another thing to check for missing packages is your neighbors. > >> > > > > Good advice. One other "wrinkle". In general, I have goods sent to > > my P.O. Box unless he nature of the order indicates freight delivery > > or the shipper prefers home delivery. In general, the USPS has been > > good, but lately I had not one, not two, but three instances where > > the tracking showed that it was delivered to the box several days > > before. Turns out that the box clerk was either lazy or incompetent > > and did not leave the required pick-up notice in the box directing > > me to the counter. In one case the station manager searched all > > over in the station for > prescription > > medications several days overdue and finally found it hidden away > > somewhere. The moral of the story - get the tracking number from > > the shipper and follow it on line from the shipper's notification to > > the USPS through to the delivery attempts. > > > > Although I haven't had occasion to use Elecraft customer support, I > > feel confident that it will be there when I need it. > > > > ---- > > Phil Kane - Beaverton, OR > > PNWR CP Hall MP 29.9 - OE District > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this > > email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > > rtavan at gmail.com > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > richkappler at gmail.com > -- W2KAP In any given circuit, the most expensive part will always sacrifice itself to protect the fuse. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to k9yeq at live.com From k1zn at att.net Fri Mar 30 00:53:09 2018 From: k1zn at att.net (Jeff) Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2018 00:53:09 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Migrating a KPA3 POWER module to a K3S Message-ID: <1BFA498C-F3F8-4E9B-94E6-2EEC0BB626DB@att.net> I know Elecraft does not recommend bringing in a KPA3 from a K3 to a new K3S, but has anyone done this and how does the rig perform? Sent from my iPad Sent from my iPad From nr4c at widomaker.com Fri Mar 30 06:31:36 2018 From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c) Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2018 06:31:36 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Migrating a KPA3 POWER module to a K3S In-Reply-To: <1BFA498C-F3F8-4E9B-94E6-2EEC0BB626DB@att.net> References: <1BFA498C-F3F8-4E9B-94E6-2EEC0BB626DB@att.net> Message-ID: The ?A? has at least 2 advantages over the old one. First it has a true ?Bypass? relay to actually bypass the amp when its not being used. But most important, it has more pins in the connector supplying power to the amp which seem to be more reliable and I don?t see the dreaded voltage related errors of my older K3. Buy the new one. Sent from my iPhone ...nr4c. bill > On Mar 30, 2018, at 12:53 AM, Jeff wrote: > > I know Elecraft does not recommend bringing in a KPA3 from a K3 to a new K3S, but has anyone done this and how does the rig perform? > > Sent from my iPad > > Sent from my iPad > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to nr4c at widomaker.com From rcrgs at verizon.net Fri Mar 30 09:31:58 2018 From: rcrgs at verizon.net (Robert G Strickland) Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2018 13:31:58 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] (K2) CW key Message-ID: <5ABE3C4E.2000500@verizon.net> I am searching for a small CW key that will attach to the K2 bail. I think Elecraft has/does sell such an item. If not, directions to any other source for such an item would be appreciated. Thanks. ...robert -- Robert G Strickland, PhD ABPH - KE2WY rcrgs at verizon.net.usa Syracuse, New York, USA From n6363l at gmail.com Fri Mar 30 14:15:29 2018 From: n6363l at gmail.com (Steve Silverman) Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2018 11:15:29 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] FS: K2/10 with most options Message-ID: K2/10 for sale, works great and front panel and case in perfect condition, includes: KSB2 SSB option for voice and data modes KDSP DSP filter KAT2 Internal tuner KNB2 Noise blanker KIO2, Serial I/O board L160RX, 160M Rx/Tx and ext Rx antenna K6XX Zero Beat indicator, installed hand mic (non Elecraft) With free shipping to lower 48. $750, photos available S/N 32XX Steve KB3Sii Respond off list, please From w7hsg at comcast.net Fri Mar 30 14:09:53 2018 From: w7hsg at comcast.net (Ralph S. Turk) Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2018 12:09:53 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [Elecraft] Re K3 Audio Message-ID: <691217298.34680.1522433393764@connect.xfinity.com> Does any one know the command for both Mike in Front Panel and Line in rear panel? I need both at the same time, Mike for voice and Line in for digital. Ralph, W7HSG/AFA9RT From f8acf56 at yahoo.fr Fri Mar 30 15:22:16 2018 From: f8acf56 at yahoo.fr (Christophe F8ACF-56) Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2018 19:22:16 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] (K2) CW key In-Reply-To: <5ABE3C4E.2000500@verizon.net> References: <5ABE3C4E.2000500@verizon.net> Message-ID: <928181906.2390637.1522437736522@mail.yahoo.com> good evening robert, I have this model is very practical in mobile and it's magnetic http://www.palm-radio.de/english/english.html 73 , Christophe F8ACF-56 Le vendredi 30 mars 2018 ? 15:33:33 UTC+2, Robert G Strickland a ?crit : I am searching for a small CW key that will attach to the K2 bail. I think Elecraft has/does sell such an item. If not, directions to any other source for such an item would be appreciated. Thanks. ...robert -- Robert G Strickland, PhD ABPH - KE2WY rcrgs at verizon.net.usa Syracuse, New York, USA ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to f8acf56 at yahoo.fr From nr4c at widomaker.com Fri Mar 30 15:36:56 2018 From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c) Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2018 15:36:56 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Re K3 Audio In-Reply-To: <691217298.34680.1522433393764@connect.xfinity.com> References: <691217298.34680.1522433393764@connect.xfinity.com> Message-ID: <944C3528-8B63-4D8D-BBEA-62B77667287E@widomaker.com> LIN IN and LIN OUT are both on the rear panel. No use mic for this. Sent from my iPhone ...nr4c. bill > On Mar 30, 2018, at 2:09 PM, Ralph S. Turk wrote: > > Does any one know the command for both Mike in Front Panel and Line in rear panel? > > I need both at the same time, Mike for voice and Line in for digital. > > > Ralph, W7HSG/AFA9RT > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to nr4c at widomaker.com From ghyoungman at gmail.com Fri Mar 30 16:52:03 2018 From: ghyoungman at gmail.com (GRANT YOUNGMAN) Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2018 16:52:03 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Re K3 Audio In-Reply-To: <944C3528-8B63-4D8D-BBEA-62B77667287E@widomaker.com> References: <691217298.34680.1522433393764@connect.xfinity.com> <944C3528-8B63-4D8D-BBEA-62B77667287E@widomaker.com> Message-ID: <5F0D4B76-9A8A-4105-9CC6-AB90E4F65D86@gmail.com> Look at the latest K3/K3S manual on the Elecraft website, page 55. The menu settings you need are ?MIC SEL? and ?MIC+LIN?. They interact with each other. > >> On Mar 30, 2018, at 2:09 PM, Ralph S. Turk wrote: >> >> Does any one know the command for both Mike in Front Panel and Line in rear panel? >> >> I need both at the same time, Mike for voice and Line in for digital. >> >> >> Ralph, W7HSG/AFA9RT >> ______________________________________________________________ Grant NQ5T K3 #2091, KX3 #8342 From lists at subich.com Fri Mar 30 17:02:30 2018 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2018 17:02:30 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Re K3 Audio In-Reply-To: <691217298.34680.1522433393764@connect.xfinity.com> References: <691217298.34680.1522433393764@connect.xfinity.com> Message-ID: <8fefe1dd-41c4-8e7f-029e-5d41a29a4c50@subich.com> > I need both at the same time, Mike for voice and Line in for digital. This is absolutely a terrible idea. I doubt that your shack is silent while working data modes and any noise - you talking, someone else yelling at your, a TV/radio/computer running in the background, or even fan noise will be picked up by the open mic. That said ... > Does any one know the command for both Mike in Front Panel and Line > in rear panel? Assuming you will be using USB *with CMP set to zero*, set MENU:MIC SEL as needed for your mic and MENU:MIC+LIN = ON. Note: you will first need to set MENU:MIC SEL=LINE and adjust the mic gain/sound card output for four to five bars of ALC. This sets the Line IN gain. Then switch to MENU:MIC SEL as needed for your mic (FP.h or FP.L) and again adjust the mic gain for ALC peaking between 5 to 7 bars. Now you can select MENU:MIC+LINE and set it to ON to enable both inputs. Adjusting the mic gain with MENU:MIC+LINE = ON will adjust *ONLY* the mic gain for the *MICROPHONE* input, in order to change the Line In (digital) level, you will need to adjust the sound card output *or* change MENU:MIC SEL to LINE before adjusting the mic gain. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 3/30/2018 2:09 PM, Ralph S. Turk wrote: > Does any one know the command for both Mike in Front Panel and Line in rear panel? > > I need both at the same time, Mike for voice and Line in for digital. > > > Ralph, W7HSG/AFA9RT > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to lists at subich.com > From Ianglamb at gmail.com Sat Mar 31 04:26:45 2018 From: Ianglamb at gmail.com (G8KQW) Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2018 01:26:45 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] KSYN3A check Message-ID: <1522484805245-0.post@n2.nabble.com> Hi,I've purchased a used K3 serial # < 8800, is there a way to check whether a KSYN3A is installed from the Menu system to save taking the cover off?// Ian -- Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ From gm3sek at ifwtech.co.uk Sat Mar 31 06:02:25 2018 From: gm3sek at ifwtech.co.uk (Ian White) Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2018 11:02:25 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] KSYN3A check In-Reply-To: <1522484805245-0.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1522484805245-0.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <00a401d3c8d7$63d73b50$2b85b1f0$@co.uk> Hi Ian First, make sure that CONFIG: TECH MD is set to On. You won't ever need to change that again. Got to CONFIG: DDS FRQ. If the display shows 3.58something, then you have the older KSYN3. If the display shows - - - - then it's a KSYN3A (which doesn't have a DDS). 73 from Ian GM3SEK >-----Original Message----- >From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft- >bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of G8KQW >Sent: 31 March 2018 09:27 >To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net >Subject: [Elecraft] KSYN3A check > >Hi,I've purchased a used K3 serial # < 8800, is there a way to check >whether >a KSYN3A is installed from the Menu system to save taking the cover >off?// >Ian > > > >-- >Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ >__________________________________________________________ >____ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >Message delivered to gm3sek at ifwtech.co.uk From ve3iay at gmail.com Sat Mar 31 08:14:27 2018 From: ve3iay at gmail.com (Richard Ferch) Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2018 08:14:27 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Re K3 Audio Message-ID: I suspect that what you most likely need is for Line In to be used during digital mode operation (with the microphone muted), and the microphone to be used during voice mode operation. The audio input settings for voice modes and digital modes are stored independently, so this is easy. With the radio in SSB, you set MIC SEL to wherever your microphone is plugged in, with the appropriate bias and level settings. With the radio in DATA A or AFSK A mode, set MIC SEL to LINE IN and adjust the Mic gain control to get the required 4-5 bars of ALC meter reading in digital modes. The only reason you might need MIC+LIN to be set to ON is if you were using the computer sound card as a digital voice keyer in voice modes, in which case you might want both microphone and line in to be active while operating in voice modes. In this case, set MIC+LIN to ON with the radio in SSB, and OFF with the radio in DATA A or AFSK A. In both cases, you will only need to set this up once; the settings are remembered independently in the two modes from then on. 73, Rich VE3KI W7HSG wrote: Does any one know the command for both Mike in Front Panel and Line in rear panel? I need both at the same time, Mike for voice and Line in for digital. From c-hawley at illinois.edu Sat Mar 31 09:45:51 2018 From: c-hawley at illinois.edu (ke9uw) Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2018 06:45:51 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Migrating a KPA3 POWER module to a K3S In-Reply-To: References: <1BFA498C-F3F8-4E9B-94E6-2EEC0BB626DB@att.net> Message-ID: <1522503951742-0.post@n2.nabble.com> In that the KPA3A has more pins carrying power, would an older K3 benefit from a KPA3A? Are the pins already there and useable in the old K3? ----- Chuck, KE9UW -- Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ From lists at subich.com Sat Mar 31 10:00:29 2018 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2018 10:00:29 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Migrating a KPA3 POWER module to a K3S In-Reply-To: <1522503951742-0.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1BFA498C-F3F8-4E9B-94E6-2EEC0BB626DB@att.net> <1522503951742-0.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <9d5f0952-5f8d-8d11-dc49-22b483ebf002@subich.com> On 3/31/2018 9:45 AM, ke9uw wrote: > In that the KPA3A has more pins carrying power, would an older K3 benefit > from a KPA3A? No. > Are the pins already there and useable in the old K3? No. The connectors are longer in the K3S. P67B/J67B are 30 pins in the K3S (KPAIO3A) vs 24 pins in the K3 (KPAIO3) and P68B/J68B are 24 pins in the K3S (KPAIO3A) vs. 20 pins in the K3 (KPAIO3). 73, ... Joe, W4TV From leschyna at gmail.com Sat Mar 31 12:21:13 2018 From: leschyna at gmail.com (Wm Robert Leschyna) Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2018 12:21:13 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] FS: KPA100 & KAT100 Message-ID: I recently acquired a K2 rig and accessories, which included the KPA100 installed, and the external KAT100. However, the original KAT2 and original cover where also included. As I am only interested in the QRP version of the K2,I am offering the KAT100 and KPA100 for sale. Both are in excellent physical and electrical condition, and they were expertly assembled and cared for. I am open to fair offers, as I will never want to use them. However, if there are no serious buyers, I will mothball them for when I eventually sell the K2 and include them as a package at that time. In the mean time if you are interested, please contact me directly via email or phone (248)247-5937, I am good in QRZ. 73 Bob VE3UK From rmcgraw at blomand.net Sat Mar 31 12:40:27 2018 From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX) Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2018 11:40:27 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3Audio In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4ce519c2-a44b-b317-d985-5b1d42abeffa@blomand.net> I certainly agree with Joe on this point.?? I hear many voice / background noise signals in the "CW" portions of the bands. Furthermore, fact is, it isn't legal to transmit such. ?suppose if one wishes to run Slow Scan TV with audio in the SSB portion of the band it might be justified.? Otherwise, I still say it is a terrible idea. 73 Bob, K4TAX On 3/31/2018 11:21 AM, elecraft-request at mailman.qth.net wrote: > Message: 20 > Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2018 17:02:30 -0400 > From: "Joe Subich, W4TV" > To:elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Re K3 Audio > Message-ID:<8fefe1dd-41c4-8e7f-029e-5d41a29a4c50 at subich.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > > > > I need both at the same time, Mike for voice and Line in for digital. > > This is absolutely a terrible idea. I doubt that your shack is silent > while working data modes and any noise - you talking, someone else > yelling at your, a TV/radio/computer running in the background, or even > fan noise will be picked up by the open mic. > > That said ... > >> Does any one know the command for both Mike in Front Panel and Line >> in rear panel? > Assuming you will be using USB*with CMP set to zero*, set MENU:MIC SEL > as needed for your mic and MENU:MIC+LIN = ON. > > Note: you will first need to set MENU:MIC SEL=LINE and adjust the mic > gain/sound card output for four to five bars of ALC. This sets the Line > IN gain. Then switch to MENU:MIC SEL as needed for your mic (FP.h or > FP.L) and again adjust the mic gain for ALC peaking between 5 to 7 bars. > Now you can select MENU:MIC+LINE and set it to ON to enable both inputs. > Adjusting the mic gain with MENU:MIC+LINE = ON will adjust*ONLY* the > mic gain for the*MICROPHONE* input, in order to change the Line In > (digital) level, you will need to adjust the sound card output*or* > change MENU:MIC SEL to LINE before adjusting the mic gain. > > 73, > > ... Joe, W4TV > From n9ta.fred at gmail.com Sat Mar 31 12:40:34 2018 From: n9ta.fred at gmail.com (Fred Bennett) Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2018 12:40:34 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Weird KIO3UPKT problem Message-ID: Howdy folks... I've been chasing this problem for a while thinking it was in my audio system.....but NO!! I use a laptop computer with an external HIFI audio board. The HIFI audio board drives a very nice amplified JBL speaker system with a subwoofer. The external audio board occupies one USB port on my laptop....when I plug the KIO3UPKT cord into any of the other 3 USB ports on my laptop I get what sounds like 60 cycle hum out of my HIFI audio system. It doesn't matter which port I plug the HIFI audio interface into....as soon as the KIO3UPKT is plugged in I get the hum. The KIO3UPKT seems to function just fine in all other ways except for inducing this noise. Any ideas??? Stumped....?? 73...de?? Fred? N9TA?? Crawfordsville, IN. From ghyoungman at gmail.com Sat Mar 31 13:04:47 2018 From: ghyoungman at gmail.com (GRANT YOUNGMAN) Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2018 13:04:47 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Audio Message-ID: <7ABF6402-1DFF-43F6-9745-06B812D9A8AD@gmail.com> Sure. But you really need more information about the questioner's intended usage before bashing the idea of MIC+LIN. My K3 is always set up for Mic+Lin. Sometimes I use the output from a 528e with another mic. Sometimes I use my CM500 connected to mic in. Either the 528e is OFF when the CM500 is plugged into the front panel, or the CM500 is unplugged. I can change between the two without fiddling with menus. The sky has not fallen .. :-) I certainly agree with Joe on this point. I hear many voice / background noise signals in the "CW" portions of the bands. Furthermore, fact is, it isn't legal to transmit such. suppose if one wishes to run Slow Scan TV with audio in the SSB portion of the band it might be justified. Otherwise, I still say it is a terrible idea. Grant NQ5T K3 #2091, KX3 #8342 From wa6nhc at gmail.com Sat Mar 31 13:50:41 2018 From: wa6nhc at gmail.com (Rick WA6NHC) Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2018 10:50:41 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3Audio In-Reply-To: <4ce519c2-a44b-b317-d985-5b1d42abeffa@blomand.net> References: <4ce519c2-a44b-b317-d985-5b1d42abeffa@blomand.net> Message-ID: <2a978014-4a8b-2b06-2c03-6f1880d5dfe9@gmail.com> Legal depends on the country of operation, not all restrict to CW only in the band segments. If the mike audio is switched with PTT (not always 'hot') so no mixing, it would work (and is preferred for SSTV mode instead of button of mode switching between frames). So depending on his location and need, maybe but overall it's not a good plan to mix the audio. Rick nhc On 3/31/2018 9:40 AM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote: > I certainly agree with Joe on this point.?? I hear many voice / > background noise signals in the "CW" portions of the bands. > Furthermore, fact is, it isn't legal to transmit such. > > ?suppose if one wishes to run Slow Scan TV with audio in the SSB > portion of the band it might be justified.? Otherwise, I still say it > is a terrible idea. > > 73 > > Bob, K4TAX > > > > > On 3/31/2018 11:21 AM, elecraft-request at mailman.qth.net wrote: >> Message: 20 >> Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2018 17:02:30 -0400 >> From: "Joe Subich, W4TV" >> To:elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Re K3 Audio >> Message-ID:<8fefe1dd-41c4-8e7f-029e-5d41a29a4c50 at subich.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed >> >> >> ? > I need both at the same time,? Mike for voice and Line in for >> digital. >> >> This is absolutely a terrible idea. I doubt that your shack is silent >> while working data modes and any noise - you talking, someone else >> yelling at your, a TV/radio/computer running in the background, or even >> fan noise will be picked up by the open mic. >> >> That said ... >> >>> Does any one know the command for both Mike in Front Panel and Line >>> in rear panel? >> Assuming you will be using USB*with CMP set to zero*, set MENU:MIC SEL >> as needed for your mic and MENU:MIC+LIN = ON. >> >> Note: you will first need to set MENU:MIC SEL=LINE and adjust the mic >> gain/sound card output for four to five bars of ALC.? This sets the Line >> IN gain.? Then switch to MENU:MIC SEL as needed for your mic (FP.h or >> FP.L) and again adjust the mic gain for ALC peaking between 5 to 7 bars. >> Now you can select MENU:MIC+LINE and set it to ON to enable both inputs. >> Adjusting the mic gain with MENU:MIC+LINE = ON will adjust*ONLY*? the >> mic gain for the*MICROPHONE*? input, in order to change the Line In >> (digital) level, you will need to adjust the sound card output*or* >> change MENU:MIC SEL to LINE before adjusting the mic gain. >> >> 73, >> >> ???? ... Joe, W4TV >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wa6nhc at gmail.com From lists at subich.com Sat Mar 31 14:22:38 2018 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2018 14:22:38 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Weird KIO3UPKT problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1a77da0a-e059-ba0a-5cf6-8d57ba07b708@subich.com> > as soon as the KIO3UPKT is plugged in I get the hum. The KIO3UPKT > seems to function just fine in all other ways except for inducing > this noise. Any ideas??? *BOND* the chassis of the K3/K3S, your computer, your power supply, and your HiFi system together with a 1/2" braid, #12 or larger wire. Make sure both the computer, power supply and HiFi supply are all connected to the same outlet/back box. SeeK9YC's excellent tutorial: 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 3/31/2018 12:40 PM, Fred Bennett wrote: > Howdy folks... > > I've been chasing this problem for a while thinking it was in my audio > system.....but NO!! I use a laptop computer with an external HIFI audio > board. The HIFI audio board drives a very nice amplified JBL speaker > system with a subwoofer. The external audio board occupies one USB port > on my laptop....when I plug the KIO3UPKT cord into any of the other 3 > USB ports on my laptop I get what sounds like 60 cycle hum out of my > HIFI audio system. It doesn't matter which port I plug the HIFI audio > interface into....as soon as the KIO3UPKT is plugged in I get the hum. > The KIO3UPKT seems to function just fine in all other ways except for > inducing this noise. Any ideas??? > > > Stumped....?? 73...de?? Fred? N9TA?? Crawfordsville, IN. > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to lists at subich.com From eframbes at gmail.com Sat Mar 31 14:35:33 2018 From: eframbes at gmail.com (Ed Frambes) Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2018 14:35:33 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 running WSJT-X FT8 Message-ID: I'm using my KX2 connect to HP Win7pro, with external usb sound card, and a Chameleon F-Loop antenna. I connect the KX2 cable to the laptop with a good com port test. Connected the two audio cables to external sound card and radio. I still unable to get pass the hamlib error in the software. I've tried all kinds of data settings in the KX2. I had to go back and do a restore from my utilities software. I did download the hamlib files (I thought!). It can't be this hard. Please HELP! de Ed K8EAF From nr4c at widomaker.com Sat Mar 31 16:01:20 2018 From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c) Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2018 16:01:20 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Re K3 Audio In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Don?t forget that rear Mic is not same as Lin In! Sent from my iPhone ...nr4c. bill > On Mar 31, 2018, at 8:14 AM, Richard Ferch wrote: > > I suspect that what you most likely need is for Line In to be used during > digital mode operation (with the microphone muted), and the microphone to > be used during voice mode operation. > > The audio input settings for voice modes and digital modes are stored > independently, so this is easy. With the radio in SSB, you set MIC SEL to > wherever your microphone is plugged in, with the appropriate bias and level > settings. With the radio in DATA A or AFSK A mode, set MIC SEL to LINE IN > and adjust the Mic gain control to get the required 4-5 bars of ALC meter > reading in digital modes. > > The only reason you might need MIC+LIN to be set to ON is if you were using > the computer sound card as a digital voice keyer in voice modes, in which > case you might want both microphone and line in to be active while > operating in voice modes. In this case, set MIC+LIN to ON with the radio in > SSB, and OFF with the radio in DATA A or AFSK A. > > In both cases, you will only need to set this up once; the settings are > remembered independently in the two modes from then on. > > 73, > Rich VE3KI > > W7HSG wrote: > > Does any one know the command for both Mike in Front Panel and Line in rear > panel? > > I need both at the same time, Mike for voice and Line in for digital. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to nr4c at widomaker.com From c-hawley at illinois.edu Sat Mar 31 16:22:09 2018 From: c-hawley at illinois.edu (hawley, charles j jr) Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2018 20:22:09 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Migrating a KPA3 POWER module to a K3S In-Reply-To: <9d5f0952-5f8d-8d11-dc49-22b483ebf002@subich.com> References: <1BFA498C-F3F8-4E9B-94E6-2EEC0BB626DB@att.net> <1522503951742-0.post@n2.nabble.com>, <9d5f0952-5f8d-8d11-dc49-22b483ebf002@subich.com> Message-ID: <380E66BA-0E26-448D-A345-598027A91F37@illinois.edu> Thanks. Then at some point, you just need a K3S. Chuck Jack KE9UW Sent from my iPhone, cjack > On Mar 31, 2018, at 9:00 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: > > > > > >> On 3/31/2018 9:45 AM, ke9uw wrote: >> In that the KPA3A has more pins carrying power, would an older K3 benefit >> from a KPA3A? > > No. > >> Are the pins already there and useable in the old K3? > > No. The connectors are longer in the K3S. P67B/J67B are 30 pins in the > K3S (KPAIO3A) vs 24 pins in the K3 (KPAIO3) and P68B/J68B are 24 pins > in the K3S (KPAIO3A) vs. 20 pins in the K3 (KPAIO3). > > > 73, > > ... Joe, W4TV > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to c-hawley at illinois.edu From frantz at pwpconsult.com Sat Mar 31 19:31:33 2018 From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz) Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2018 16:31:33 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Who's On First? In-Reply-To: <0298fe20-1e06-67bd-2957-1c2f0c507fae@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: I guess I'm not being clear. I don't think the Mac moves the DTR/RTS lines when it boots. I haven't ever seen the K3 go into transmit mode when I reboot. Of course that might be because I have PTT_KEY set to OFF-OFF and use VOX for sound card modes except wsjt-x and RUMlogNG contest mode. (They use the CAT interface.) 73 Bill AE6JV On 3/29/18 at 5:11 PM, donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) wrote: >If you have updated the K3 firmware in the last few months, it >does not make any difference whether the K3 or the computer is >turned on first. >The K3 now has a SAFE mode that disables DTR and RTS until it >receives some command like polling for frequency, mode, etc. >from your software application. > >You can go into the K3 CONFIG menu for KEY-PTT and turn it to >unsafe if you have devices that monitor the RS-232 bus and do >not issue any commands (SteppIR controllers for one instance). > >Look at the firmware release notes for the past 3 months. >BTW, the firmware release notes should be considered an >addition to your K3/K3S manual. Do not overlook them. > >73, >Don W3FPR > >On 3/29/2018 6:58 PM, Bill Frantz wrote: >>On my Mac system, it doesn't seem to matter whether the radio >>or the computer starts first. The USB interface to my upgraded >>K3 is powered from the computer with enough functionality that >>the computer recognizes it without the radio being on. >> >>In any case, start wsjt-x last because it will try to talk to >>the radio for rig control and harass you until it can succeed. >>I've been in this situation enough times to know that starting >>the radio, waiting until the radio is ready to talk to the >>computer and then clicking "Retry" works. >> >>73 Bill AE6JV >> > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz | "I wish there was a knob on the TV to turn up the 408-356-8506 | intelligence. There's a knob called "brightness", but www.pwpconsult.com | it doesn't work. -- Gallagher From edauer at law.du.edu Sat Mar 31 19:36:19 2018 From: edauer at law.du.edu (Dauer, Edward) Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2018 23:36:19 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Bat Err in KX3 Message-ID: My KX3 has been sitting idle for many months. Turned it on today and tried to charge the battery, which I am guessing is depleted to zero, but I keep getting "Bat Err." Yes, there is a rechargeable battery installed - it has worked just fine for years. And yes, I did RTFM, about accessing the menu and the steps for readying the rig for charging (page 23, as I recall). But that doesn't do it. No matter what charge time I select, I get the same error message when I exit the menu. "Bat Err." Any ideas? Could the batteries have died from having been ignored for so long? Ted, KN1CBR From rich at wc3t.us Sat Mar 31 19:56:01 2018 From: rich at wc3t.us (rich hurd WC3T) Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2018 23:56:01 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Bat Err in KX3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I had NiMH batteries expire on me from disuse. From my POV it's possible. On Sat, Mar 31, 2018 at 19:36 Dauer, Edward wrote: > My KX3 has been sitting idle for many months. Turned it on today and > tried to charge the battery, which I am guessing is depleted to zero, but I > keep getting "Bat Err." Yes, there is a rechargeable battery installed - > it has worked just fine for years. And yes, I did RTFM, about accessing > the menu and the steps for readying the rig for charging (page 23, as I > recall). But that doesn't do it. No matter what charge time I select, I > get the same error message when I exit the menu. "Bat Err." Any ideas? > Could the batteries have died from having been ignored for so long? > > Ted, KN1CBR > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to rich at wc3t.us > -- 72, Rich Hurd / WC3T / DMR: 3142737 PA Army MARS, Northampton County RACES, EPA-ARRL Public Information Officer for Scouting Latitude: 40.761621 Longitude: -75.288988 (40?45.68' N 75?17.33' W) Grid: *FN20is* From rv6amark at yahoo.com Sat Mar 31 20:55:32 2018 From: rv6amark at yahoo.com (Mark Petiford) Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2018 00:55:32 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] Bat Err in KX3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1424591726.276818.1522544132847@mail.yahoo.com> Re:? "Could the batteries have died from having been ignored for so long?" Although I have never experienced this with quality Low Self Discharge (LSD) NiMH cells, it may have happened.? I have experienced this with non-LSD NiMH cells, and they just aren't worth the time and effort to use. I suggest you remove the cells and check the voltage across each one individually using a voltmeter.? Any cell that has dropped below 1 volt has most likely been damaged and should not be reused.? If any of the cells are below 1 volt, it may be best to replace all 8 cells and save yourself later frustration. Using old cells intermixed with new cells isn't really good practice since their capacities will differ.?That results in reverse charging of the old cells as the set of cells is depleted, causing quick failure of the remaining old cells.? It just isn't worth messing with. Just as a data point, I just now powered my KX3 up after it had been tucked away in my backpack for over a year since they were last recharged.? The voltage as indicated by the KX3 display was 9.9 volts, which is about 1.2 volts per cell, the nominal voltage for NiMH cells.? They are Eneloop 2000 cells and are over 5 years old.? I suspect that their capacity has decreased and their voltage will drop quickly when I transmit.? ?Probably time for me to get a fresh set of Eneloops. Mark KE6BB On Saturday, March 31, 2018, 4:38:36 PM PDT, Dauer, Edward wrote: My KX3 has been sitting idle for many months... From rich at wc3t.us Sat Mar 31 21:31:35 2018 From: rich at wc3t.us (rich hurd WC3T) Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2018 01:31:35 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Bat Err in KX3 In-Reply-To: <1424591726.276818.1522544132847@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1424591726.276818.1522544132847@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I had Eneloops do this to me too. :( On Sat, Mar 31, 2018 at 20:55 Mark Petiford via Elecraft < elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote: > Re: "Could the batteries have died from having been ignored for so long?" > > Although I have never experienced this with quality Low Self Discharge > (LSD) NiMH cells, it may have happened. I have experienced this with > non-LSD NiMH cells, and they just aren't worth the time and effort to use. > > I suggest you remove the cells and check the voltage across each one > individually using a voltmeter. Any cell that has dropped below 1 volt has > most likely been damaged and should not be reused. If any of the cells are > below 1 volt, it may be best to replace all 8 cells and save yourself later > frustration. > > Using old cells intermixed with new cells isn't really good practice since > their capacities will differ. That results in reverse charging of the old > cells as the set of cells is depleted, causing quick failure of the > remaining old cells. It just isn't worth messing with. > > Just as a data point, I just now powered my KX3 up after it had been > tucked away in my backpack for over a year since they were last recharged. > The voltage as indicated by the KX3 display was 9.9 volts, which is about > 1.2 volts per cell, the nominal voltage for NiMH cells. They are Eneloop > 2000 cells and are over 5 years old. I suspect that their capacity has > decreased and their voltage will drop quickly when I transmit. Probably > time for me to get a fresh set of Eneloops. > > Mark > KE6BB > > On Saturday, March 31, 2018, 4:38:36 PM PDT, Dauer, Edward < > edauer at law.du.edu> wrote: > > My KX3 has been sitting idle for many months... > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to rich at wc3t.us -- 72, Rich Hurd / WC3T / DMR: 3142737 PA Army MARS, Northampton County RACES, EPA-ARRL Public Information Officer for Scouting Latitude: 40.761621 Longitude: -75.288988 (40?45.68' N 75?17.33' W) Grid: *FN20is* From jackbrindle at me.com Sat Mar 31 22:03:44 2018 From: jackbrindle at me.com (Jack Brindle) Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2018 19:03:44 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Who's On First? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: This is a remnant of days long gone when the PC - DOS and early Windows systems used serial-port connected mice. It used the sequence to detect the presence of a mouse. The Mac has never used asynchronous serial-port based mice, instead using a special bus, followed by ADB in early Macs (starting with the Mac Plus), then USB after it was adopted. Thus it does not mess with the serial ports on startup. I now wonder why Microsoft maintains this arcane procedure since its utility has long passed into history. Jack, W6FB > On Mar 31, 2018, at 4:31 PM, Bill Frantz wrote: > > I guess I'm not being clear. I don't think the Mac moves the DTR/RTS lines when it boots. I haven't ever seen the K3 go into transmit mode when I reboot. > > Of course that might be because I have PTT_KEY set to OFF-OFF and use VOX for sound card modes except wsjt-x and RUMlogNG contest mode. (They use the CAT interface.) > > 73 Bill AE6JV > > On 3/29/18 at 5:11 PM, donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) wrote: > >> If you have updated the K3 firmware in the last few months, it does not make any difference whether the K3 or the computer is turned on first. >> The K3 now has a SAFE mode that disables DTR and RTS until it receives some command like polling for frequency, mode, etc. from your software application. >> >> You can go into the K3 CONFIG menu for KEY-PTT and turn it to unsafe if you have devices that monitor the RS-232 bus and do not issue any commands (SteppIR controllers for one instance). >> >> Look at the firmware release notes for the past 3 months. >> BTW, the firmware release notes should be considered an addition to your K3/K3S manual. Do not overlook them. >> >> 73, >> Don W3FPR >> >> On 3/29/2018 6:58 PM, Bill Frantz wrote: >>> On my Mac system, it doesn't seem to matter whether the radio or the computer starts first. The USB interface to my upgraded K3 is powered from the computer with enough functionality that the computer recognizes it without the radio being on. >>> >>> In any case, start wsjt-x last because it will try to talk to the radio for rig control and harass you until it can succeed. I've been in this situation enough times to know that starting the radio, waiting until the radio is ready to talk to the computer and then clicking "Retry" works. >>> >>> 73 Bill AE6JV >>> >> > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Bill Frantz | "I wish there was a knob on the TV to turn up the > 408-356-8506 | intelligence. There's a knob called "brightness", but > www.pwpconsult.com | it doesn't work. -- Gallagher > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to jackbrindle at me.com From k6dgw at foothill.net Sat Mar 31 22:26:17 2018 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2018 19:26:17 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Who's On First? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <31db7442-55a0-d6bc-5aa0-6624d0f6cf00@foothill.net> Because it's there, Jack.? Code comes ... it never goes. 73, Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW Sparks NV DM09dn Washoe County On 3/31/2018 7:03 PM, Jack Brindle wrote: > This is a remnant of days long gone when the PC - DOS and early Windows systems used serial-port connected mice. It used the sequence to detect the presence of a mouse. The Mac has never used asynchronous serial-port based mice, instead using a special bus, followed by ADB in early Macs (starting with the Mac Plus), then USB after it was adopted. Thus it does not mess with the serial ports on startup. > > I now wonder why Microsoft maintains this arcane procedure since its utility has long passed into history. > > Jack, W6FB > From kevinr at coho.net Sat Mar 31 22:50:11 2018 From: kevinr at coho.net (kevinr) Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2018 19:50:11 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Announcement Message-ID: Good Evening, ?? Imagine you are driving on a gravel road during a cloudy day. You come around a corner and see perfectly round spots of wet gravel surrounded by dry gravel everywhere else. A few weeks later you drive around that same corner on another gray day. This time the gravel is wet but there are circular cutouts of dry gravel. Both conditions are not uncommon here in the Pacific Northwest. What you saw in the first case was caused by the fir trees capturing the water from the clouds and dripping it unto their roots. The second case was just after it had started raining. The gravel got wet in the normal fashion but the fir trees once again captured the water. Only this time they had not released it yet. I live either near a temperate rain forest or in it. Odd things happen. ?? The sun actually has a very tiny spot on it.? First in a long time.? However, it is not something which is going to rattle the heavens.? The ionosphere is getting fed by the solar wind, as always, it's just not very windy these days.? But that is no reason not to get on the air.? It is not really outdoor weather yet with the snow still on the ground melting.? So warm up your rigs and call me. Please join us tomorrow on: 14050 kHz at 2200z Sunday (3 PM PDT Sunday) ? 7045 kHz at 0000z Monday (5 PM PDT Sunday) 73, Kevin. KD5ONS _ From donwilh at embarqmail.com Sat Mar 31 23:03:24 2018 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2018 23:03:24 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Bat Err in KX3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Ted, The battery voltage was too low to start charging without possible damage. Yes, NiMH batteries will self-discharge to the point of not being able to recover them. Keep them charged, or you can loose them. The KX3 internal charger requires a certain minimum voltage before it can start charging. Bat Err is the indication that charging cannot start. You might be able to remove the batteries and charge them using a different charger, but be aware that if they are deeply discharged, they may overheat during the process and destroy their future lifetime. 73, Don W3FPR On 3/31/2018 7:36 PM, Dauer, Edward wrote: > My KX3 has been sitting idle for many months. Turned it on today and tried to charge the battery, which I am guessing is depleted to zero, but I keep getting "Bat Err." Yes, there is a rechargeable battery installed - it has worked just fine for years. And yes, I did RTFM, about accessing the menu and the steps for readying the rig for charging (page 23, as I recall). But that doesn't do it. No matter what charge time I select, I get the same error message when I exit the menu. "Bat Err." Any ideas? Could the batteries have died from having been ignored for so long?