From mspetrovic at gmail.com Wed Aug 1 00:05:32 2018 From: mspetrovic at gmail.com (Mark Petrovic) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2018 21:05:32 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K2 KBT2 option question Message-ID: I'm installing the KBT2 internal battery option on my K2 s/n 7809. In what position should the K2 rear panel "Int. Battery" switch be for the Connecting and Testing of the KBT2, On or Off? I'm assuming, On, but wanted to double check. Thanks. Mark AE6RT -- Mark From davidjw1 at cinci.rr.com Wed Aug 1 05:04:43 2018 From: davidjw1 at cinci.rr.com (David Windisch) Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2018 02:04:43 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] FS: K3/0, cables Message-ID: <1533114283544-0.post@n2.nabble.com> Hi, all concerned: FS: K3/0 sn 00xx. Excellent working order and physical shape. Unit is now surplus to needs. I _may_ have some of the cables for connecting a K3 to the Remoterig control unit, but definitely not the 12v-1A wall wart. Look at the Elecraft site info and tell me _exactly_ which cables you need. If I have them, I'll include them. $375 packed well and shipped (insurance your responsibility) to 50 states and US territories within USPS standard-cost reach. Cash, check, mo fine. Ship on check/mo clearance. Brgds, Dave Windisch, N3HE Cincinnati OH Give me a shout any time: five one three three five one zero five seven nine any time eastern ----- Brgds, Dave, N3HE Cincinnati OH -- Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ From davidjw1 at cinci.rr.com Wed Aug 1 05:14:54 2018 From: davidjw1 at cinci.rr.com (David Windisch) Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2018 02:14:54 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] test for blocking Message-ID: <1533114894330-0.post@n2.nabble.com> test for blocking ----- Brgds, Dave, N3HE Cincinnati OH -- Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ From indians at xsmail.com Wed Aug 1 05:55:20 2018 From: indians at xsmail.com (Petr, OK1RP/M0SIS) Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2018 02:55:20 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Speakers for KX3 In-Reply-To: <38DB3C58-B8DA-48FA-889E-F791BBB42B46@gmail.com> References: <38DB3C58-B8DA-48FA-889E-F791BBB42B46@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1533117320998-0.post@n2.nabble.com> Grant, thank for info about the Small Dog. I used them for few days when my friend visited me over here and they worked perfectly. Nice and smooth audio. Unfortunately no way to purchase them at Small Dog from EU as it will raise up to almost $60 including s/h from them... :( ----- 73 - Petr, OK1RP "Apple & Elecraft freak" B:http://ok1rp.blogspot.com G+:http://goo.gl/w3u2s9 G+: http://goo.gl/gP99xq -- Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ From w9ac at arrl.net Wed Aug 1 09:04:39 2018 From: w9ac at arrl.net (Paul Christensen) Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2018 09:04:39 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 Remote Software Update Message-ID: <004701d42998$357b5530$a071ff90$@arrl.net> >"The link will be back soon. We found a few bugs in the remote sw and temporarily pulled it from the ftp site. Stay tuned! We'll announce here when it is back up next week. Eric /elecraft.com/" Any further updates on when the KPA1500 Remote Software will become available for download? Paul, W9AC On 7/17/2018 10:00 PM, Paul Baldock wrote: > Listed under new features for 01.64 7-12-2018 is > 1_0_4_0.exe>Support for Elecraft Remote Software, ver 1.0.4.0. > > This suggests that the remote software is now available. However the link > appears not to work. Is the remote software in fact available somewhere? > > - Paul KW7Y From davidjw1 at cinci.rr.com Wed Aug 1 09:55:24 2018 From: davidjw1 at cinci.rr.com (David J "Dave" Windisch) Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2018 09:55:24 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] blocking Message-ID: <002a01d4299f$4d3d5130$e7b7f390$@cinci.rr.com> Yeh, tks for the snappy replies, fellas. I've had this intermittent blocked-post problem for years now, on this site only. One time it blocks, next time my posts go through. Some sort of arcanum, minutia, or trivium in the software that may require serious effort to find and fix. From k9jri at mac.com Wed Aug 1 10:19:04 2018 From: k9jri at mac.com (Michael Blake) Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2018 10:19:04 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3s+KPA500 SSB audio distortion Message-ID: <312A3CD1-8C02-4B75-B39D-D93ECAF477CB@mac.com> While on the air on 3710 SSB I receive audio reports that say my transmitted audio is somewhat muffled or nasal. Making adjustments to mic gain, compression levels, TX EQ seems to make no difference to this report. These adjustments do change the sound of the audio but do not reduce the reports of muffled or nasal characteristics. I normally run the KPA500 at 500 watts PEP output and the K3s is set to 18 watts to achieve this output. This morning I suspected that this nasal sound might be related to running the K3s at 18 watts as that uses both the 100 watt amplifier and the 12 watt amplifier but in series at very low drive levels. As a test I cut off the KPA500 and ran the K3s at 100 watts and the distortion was gone. As a second test I dropped the drive to 11.9 watts which dropped off the 100 watt amplifier module and runs the low power module at almost full power and the audio was still clean with the KPA500 delivering about 300 watts PEP. Is this something that anyone else has observed? Are there any built in tests or adjustments that might help this issue? I have run the transmitter gain calibration at all three power levels with satisfactory results. Oh yes,?. The condition is the same using a dynamic mic (EV RE50), an Electret Mic (MH4 & CM500) or mic audio from a USB connected computer (Blue Yeti). Very 73 - Mike - K9JRI Michael Blake k9jri at mac.com From no9e at arrl.net Wed Aug 1 11:09:26 2018 From: no9e at arrl.net (Ignacy) Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2018 08:09:26 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] K3s+KPA500 SSB audio distortion In-Reply-To: <312A3CD1-8C02-4B75-B39D-D93ECAF477CB@mac.com> References: <312A3CD1-8C02-4B75-B39D-D93ECAF477CB@mac.com> Message-ID: <1533136166411-0.post@n2.nabble.com> Could it be RF feedback? You can check it by transmitting into a dummy load or lowering the drive power. Ignacy, NO9E -- Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ From pasek001 at umn.edu Wed Aug 1 10:20:47 2018 From: pasek001 at umn.edu (George Pasek) Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2018 09:20:47 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Time Out Timer Message-ID: Maybe I was asleep in class the day this was discussed, but is there a TOT for the KX3 transmitter? Now that I am running my KX3 a lot on WSPR I was thinking that it would be a good idea to have a TOT that would shut down the transmitter if a computer failure should keep the VOX or PTT active for more than 2 minutes. I did look through the Menu items and did a Google search before wasting bandwidth here but I did not find anything. tnx de George WD0AKZ dit ? dit --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From hirokik at aol.com Wed Aug 1 11:19:02 2018 From: hirokik at aol.com (Hiroki Kato) Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2018 15:19:02 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 and PX3 combo for sale References: <591091182.537331.1533136742804.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <591091182.537331.1533136742804@mail.yahoo.com> I have just listed a KX3 and PX3 combo on eBay. Loaded with options and third party accessories. All are in excellent working conditions. Please see the list #123281700018.AH6CY Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone From jtmiller47 at gmail.com Wed Aug 1 11:42:31 2018 From: jtmiller47 at gmail.com (Jim Miller) Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2018 11:42:31 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3s+KPA500 SSB audio distortion In-Reply-To: <1533136166411-0.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <312A3CD1-8C02-4B75-B39D-D93ECAF477CB@mac.com> <1533136166411-0.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: I ran my KPA500 for several years at 500w and often received unsolicited ?great audio? reports. CM500 was my headset. Something is wrong with your setup. Jim ab3cv (have kpa1500 now) On Aug 1, 2018, at 11:09 AM, Ignacy wrote: Could it be RF feedback? You can check it by transmitting into a dummy load or lowering the drive power. Ignacy, NO9E -- Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to jim at jtmiller.com From KY5G at montac.com Wed Aug 1 11:53:39 2018 From: KY5G at montac.com (Clay Autery) Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2018 10:53:39 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] FS: Elecraft K3/100, power supply, cables... Message-ID: <313901f5-2d28-11f2-4596-458800b2fc18@montac.com> I am re-listing the following for, and with the authority of Carl Beck, W5BEK: *** Elecraft K3 Transceiver (Serial #5765) as specified below *** PLUS: Adding the PowerWerx SS-30DV power supply to the deal!! PLUS: 2 each UHF to UHF jumpers (Belden 8214 cable stock 11 AWG)) (K3 to amp and amp to tuner) Here are the details on the radio: + K3/100 - K3 100W Transceiver Modular Kit + KAT3 - K3 ATU Modular Kit + KTCX03-1 - K3 TXCO? 1ppm f/w correction to 0.5 ppm + KFL3A-2.8K - 2.8 kHz 8 pole roofing filter + KFL3A-2.1K - 2.1 kHz 8 pole roofing filter + KFL3A-1.0K - 1.0 kHz 8 pole roofing filter + KFL3A-400 - 400 Hz 8 pole roofing filter + KUSB - Universal Serial Bus Adapter (RS-232 to USB) + MH-2 Microphone for K3 + K3 Power supply cable - This appears to be a heavier gauge wire than the OE cable.? Power Pole x formed/tinned terminal hooks. ++ KSYN3AUPG - KSYN3A Synthesizer Upgrade Kit for K3 ++ KXV3B - RX Ant., 2nd Pre-Amp, IF Out and Xverter Interface upgrade.? Adds 2nd preamp for 12,10,6 M This radio was housed in the central air-conditioned portion of a no-smoking home.? It has never been taken to the field and is in excellent, lightly used condition. After completion of this "K" version assembly, the unit was subsequently submitted to Elecraft for bench testing and was fully evaluated and calibrated and found to have "met or exceeded all published specs". Between 12 July 2018 and the date of this "For Sale" post, the following maintenance/checks were performed by Clay Autery, KY5G: 1) Upgraded to latest firmware:? Version 5.64 2) Thorough internal and external cleaning/detail. 3) Checked for any "loose" fasteners; none found. 3) Full replacement of Main and Sub-RX AF and RF knobs with current production design 4) Brand new LCD bezel 5) Calibrations performed: ???? a) Transmitter Gain: 5W and 50W? (will do Milliwatt TX Gain Calibration if needed/on request) ???? b)? Reference Oscillator: per method #2, Zero-Beat @ 20 MHz.? Dead on; no adjustment required!! ???? c)? Front Panel Temperature Sensor: set per manual procedure ???? d)? PA Temperature Sensor:? set per manual procedure ???? e)? S-Meter and RF GAIN Control:? set per manual procedure 6) Function check on all bands/SSB/AM/CW This radio is ready to go! High resolution photographs can be viewed here ----> http://www.montac.com/images/k3_5765/ Original cost for this configuration: $3,355.45? Cost for closest current configuration:? $4,229.50 **** Price:? $2,300.00 plus shipping and insurance.**** Payment via certified funds, check, PayPal.? Personal check will be held until clearing.? PayPal is price PLUS PP fees. Will be shipped in an Elecraft Factory box/packaging. Inquiries may be made to me directly, off-list, or by phone. 73, -- ______________________ Clay Autery, KY5G (318) 518-1389 From awinger2011 at icloud.com Wed Aug 1 11:59:07 2018 From: awinger2011 at icloud.com (Albert Winger) Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2018 09:59:07 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Equipment for sale Message-ID: <941B4538-5A57-497E-A856-FA37FA76C2C6@icloud.com> Update The PX3 has been sold. The KX3 is still available. I?m flexible on a fair price. awinger2011 at icloud.com 73 Al W1NGA Monument, CO From rich at wc3t.us Wed Aug 1 12:00:37 2018 From: rich at wc3t.us (rich hurd WC3T) Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2018 12:00:37 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Time Out Timer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: WSJT-X has a watchdog. Of course that's only useful if that's what you are running. :) On Wed, Aug 1, 2018 at 10:20 George Pasek wrote: > Maybe I was asleep in class the day this was discussed, but is there a TOT > for the KX3 transmitter? Now that I am running my KX3 a lot on WSPR I was > thinking that it would be a good idea to have a TOT that would shut down > the transmitter if a computer failure should keep the VOX or PTT active for > more than 2 minutes. I did look through the Menu items and did a Google > search before wasting bandwidth here but I did not find anything. > > tnx > de George > WD0AKZ > dit ? dit > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to rich at wc3t.us -- 72, Rich Hurd / WC3T / DMR: 3142737 Northampton County RACES, EPA-ARRL Public Information Officer for Scouting Latitude: 40.761621 Longitude: -75.288988 (40?45.68' N 75?17.33' W) Grid: *FN20is* From tomb18 at videotron.ca Wed Aug 1 12:17:43 2018 From: tomb18 at videotron.ca (tomb18) Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2018 12:17:43 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Time Out Timer In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <2445809875aabcfc7eadffeb2254406e@smtp.videotron.ca> This is always a good idea. It should be on all of the radios..?73 Tom? Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. -------- Original message --------From: rich hurd WC3T Date: 2018-08-01 12:00 PM (GMT-05:00) To: George Pasek Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Time Out Timer WSJT-X has a watchdog.?? Of course that's only useful if that's what you are running.? :) On Wed, Aug 1, 2018 at 10:20 George Pasek wrote: > Maybe I was asleep in class the day this was discussed, but is there a TOT > for the KX3 transmitter?? Now that I am running my KX3 a lot on WSPR I was > thinking that it would be a good idea to have a TOT that would shut down > the transmitter if a computer failure should keep the VOX or PTT active for > more than 2 minutes.? I did look through the Menu items and did a Google > search before wasting bandwidth here but I did not find anything. > > tnx > de George > WD0AKZ > dit ? dit > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to rich at wc3t.us -- 72, Rich Hurd / WC3T / DMR: 3142737 Northampton County RACES, EPA-ARRL Public Information Officer for Scouting Latitude: 40.761621 Longitude: -75.288988? (40?45.68' N 75?17.33' W) Grid: *FN20is* ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to tomb18 at videotron.ca From ac5p at sbcglobal.net Wed Aug 1 13:56:09 2018 From: ac5p at sbcglobal.net (Mike Maloney) Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2018 17:56:09 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Power Supply Cable Size In-Reply-To: <9a85c60b-4898-ab4c-ecb0-327cc0f82829@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <6aa0db70-f377-45c5-a892-ba0cdf37012f@rthorne.net> <1532949141797-0.post@n2.nabble.com> <1532958234190-0.post@n2.nabble.com> <1cb9a88c-30cf-037b-6c92-276696241305@audiosystemsgroup.com> <1533039236120-0.post@n2.nabble.com> <547c736a-aeff-2134-e438-9c6f43137de3@audiosystemsgroup.com> <1533073218257-0.post@n2.nabble.com> <9a85c60b-4898-ab4c-ecb0-327cc0f82829@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <1003710321.533771.1533146169719@mail.yahoo.com> Okay have looked over the posts, but somehow have missed the actual AWG(American wire gage) SIZE of the stock DC pair? ??Anyone KNOW this or maybe even micro-ohm tested (a long shot) it?? Voltage drop (ps to amp) divided by full load dc amps would be close enough.? 73,? Mike? AC5P? On Tuesday, July 31, 2018 5:44 PM, Jim Brown wrote: On 7/31/2018 2:40 PM, K8ZCT wrote: > Jim, > > Please accept my apologies. > > Sorry for giving you Kudo's for the wrong Handbook. I should have stated that you are are a contributor to the 2018 Edition of "The ARRL Handbook". I have many of your articles and to be honest the ARRL "Grounding Book" has a lot of information that is also in the National Electrical Code and IEEE "Green Book". I also made major contributions to N0AX's ARRL Gounding Book -- much of it is based on the Power and Grounding slide show talk that's on my website.? And some of what I've written is from the IEEE Green and Emerald Books." > I worked in industry for over 40 years in the power systems distribution > area, and I was an active member of? the IEEE IAS Power Systems Reliability > Subcommittee. The last 25 years of my work life was as a consultant designing large sound systems for public buildings -- theaters, stadiums, churches, jazz clubs, even the United Terminal at O'Hare. 73, Jim K9YC ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ac5p at sbcglobal.net From jackbrindle at me.com Wed Aug 1 14:03:11 2018 From: jackbrindle at me.com (Jack Brindle) Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2018 11:03:11 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3s+KPA500 SSB audio distortion In-Reply-To: <312A3CD1-8C02-4B75-B39D-D93ECAF477CB@mac.com> References: <312A3CD1-8C02-4B75-B39D-D93ECAF477CB@mac.com> Message-ID: <49879861-269F-4224-A68A-374EA72DE789@me.com> How are they connected? (i.e. are you using the AuxIO cable?) Do you have ALC turned on in the K3? 73! Jack, W6FB > On Aug 1, 2018, at 7:19 AM, Michael Blake via Elecraft wrote: > > While on the air on 3710 SSB I receive audio reports that say my transmitted audio is somewhat muffled or nasal. Making adjustments to mic gain, compression levels, TX EQ seems to make no difference to this report. These adjustments do change the sound of the audio but do not reduce the reports of muffled or nasal characteristics. > > I normally run the KPA500 at 500 watts PEP output and the K3s is set to 18 watts to achieve this output. > > This morning I suspected that this nasal sound might be related to running the K3s at 18 watts as that uses both the 100 watt amplifier and the 12 watt amplifier but in series at very low drive levels. As a test I cut off the KPA500 and ran the K3s at 100 watts and the distortion was gone. As a second test I dropped the drive to 11.9 watts which dropped off the 100 watt amplifier module and runs the low power module at almost full power and the audio was still clean with the KPA500 delivering about 300 watts PEP. > > Is this something that anyone else has observed? Are there any built in tests or adjustments that might help this issue? I have run the transmitter gain calibration at all three power levels with satisfactory results. > > Oh yes,?. The condition is the same using a dynamic mic (EV RE50), an Electret Mic (MH4 & CM500) or mic audio from a USB connected computer (Blue Yeti). > > Very 73 - Mike - K9JRI > > > > > > > > > > Michael Blake > k9jri at mac.com > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to jackbrindle at me.com From rthorne at rthorne.net Wed Aug 1 14:15:28 2018 From: rthorne at rthorne.net (Richard Thorne) Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2018 13:15:28 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Power Supply Cable Size In-Reply-To: <1003710321.533771.1533146169719@mail.yahoo.com> References: <6aa0db70-f377-45c5-a892-ba0cdf37012f@rthorne.net> <1532949141797-0.post@n2.nabble.com> <1532958234190-0.post@n2.nabble.com> <1cb9a88c-30cf-037b-6c92-276696241305@audiosystemsgroup.com> <1533039236120-0.post@n2.nabble.com> <547c736a-aeff-2134-e438-9c6f43137de3@audiosystemsgroup.com> <1533073218257-0.post@n2.nabble.com> <9a85c60b-4898-ab4c-ecb0-327cc0f82829@audiosystemsgroup.com> <1003710321.533771.1533146169719@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Mike, I went directly to Elecraft with my question. The answer is 6g. I was told to be sure to use the correct crimp tool for the job.? If I make the cable I'll probably just have Powerwerx handle it as they have the correct hydraulic tool for the job. Rich - N5ZC On 8/1/2018 12:56 PM, Mike Maloney wrote: > Okay have looked over the posts, but somehow have missed the actual AWG(American wire gage) SIZE of the stock DC pair? ??Anyone KNOW this or maybe even micro-ohm tested (a long shot) it?? Voltage drop (ps to amp) divided by full load dc amps would be close enough. > 73, > Mike? AC5P > > On Tuesday, July 31, 2018 5:44 PM, Jim Brown wrote: > > > On 7/31/2018 2:40 PM, K8ZCT wrote: >> Jim, >> >> Please accept my apologies. >> >> Sorry for giving you Kudo's for the wrong Handbook. I should have stated that you are are a contributor to the 2018 Edition of "The ARRL Handbook". I have many of your articles and to be honest the ARRL "Grounding Book" has a lot of information that is also in the National Electrical Code and IEEE "Green Book". > I also made major contributions to N0AX's ARRL Gounding Book -- much of > it is based on the Power and Grounding slide show talk that's on my > website.? And some of what I've written is from the IEEE Green and > Emerald Books." > >> I worked in industry for over 40 years in the power systems distribution >> area, and I was an active member of? the IEEE IAS Power Systems Reliability >> Subcommittee. > The last 25 years of my work life was as a consultant designing large > sound systems for public buildings -- theaters, stadiums, churches, jazz > clubs, even the United Terminal at O'Hare. > > 73, Jim K9YC > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to ac5p at sbcglobal.net > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to rthorne at rthorne.net From gerry at w1ve.com Wed Aug 1 15:14:17 2018 From: gerry at w1ve.com (Gerry Hull) Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2018 15:14:17 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Remote Panadaptor : Question on K3 i-f buffer amps... Message-ID: Hello All, I have worked with Tom, N1MM ad we now have a running remote spectrum window running. It's an AirSpy HF + at the station and a copy of N1MM+ which is forwarding the XML spectral data. Using this mode, it only uses about 6 kb/s for spectrum display and works VFB over a very limited DSL connection. Right now, I'm using the K3 i-f output. It's a bit low. I've seen some chatter on i-f preamps for the K3, but can't seem to find any. I need one that has the decent filter so the LO doesn't clobber it. Any ideas? 73, Gerry Hull, W1VE Hancock, NH USA Member: ARRL, YCCC, YCCCN, CW Ops From tnnyswy at yahoo.com Wed Aug 1 15:15:59 2018 From: tnnyswy at yahoo.com (tnnyswy at yahoo.com) Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2018 19:15:59 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Power Supply Cable Size In-Reply-To: References: <6aa0db70-f377-45c5-a892-ba0cdf37012f@rthorne.net> <1532949141797-0.post@n2.nabble.com> <1532958234190-0.post@n2.nabble.com> <1cb9a88c-30cf-037b-6c92-276696241305@audiosystemsgroup.com> <1533039236120-0.post@n2.nabble.com> <547c736a-aeff-2134-e438-9c6f43137de3@audiosystemsgroup.com> <1533073218257-0.post@n2.nabble.com> <9a85c60b-4898-ab4c-ecb0-327cc0f82829@audiosystemsgroup.com> <1003710321.533771.1533146169719@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1965068784.667136.1533150959714@mail.yahoo.com> I'm missing something here!I keep seeing the question being asked, " What size cable is the power cord?" How about employing the KISS theory. Would it not make sense to make up an extension cord with a length to the approximate desired location from the power source? Such an extension would be fitted with proper receptacle as required? by code,and is capable of at least twice the Amperage required by the KPA1500. Milvereton /W9MMS.? On Wednesday, August 1, 2018, 1:18:46 PM CDT, Richard Thorne wrote: Mike, I went directly to Elecraft with my question. The answer is 6g. I was told to be sure to use the correct crimp tool for the job.? If I make the cable I'll probably just have Powerwerx handle it as they have the correct hydraulic tool for the job. Rich - N5ZC On 8/1/2018 12:56 PM, Mike Maloney wrote: > Okay have looked over the posts, but somehow have missed the actual AWG(American wire gage) SIZE of the stock DC pair? ??Anyone KNOW this or maybe even micro-ohm tested (a long shot) it?? Voltage drop (ps to amp) divided by full load dc amps would be close enough. > 73, > Mike? AC5P > >? ? ? On Tuesday, July 31, 2018 5:44 PM, Jim Brown wrote: >? > >? On 7/31/2018 2:40 PM, K8ZCT wrote: >> Jim, >> >> Please accept my apologies. >> >> Sorry for giving you Kudo's for the wrong Handbook. I should have stated that you are are a contributor to the 2018 Edition of "The ARRL Handbook". I have many of your articles and to be honest the ARRL "Grounding Book" has a lot of information that is also in the National Electrical Code and IEEE "Green Book". > I also made major contributions to N0AX's ARRL Gounding Book -- much of > it is based on the Power and Grounding slide show talk that's on my > website.? And some of what I've written is from the IEEE Green and > Emerald Books." > >> I worked in industry for over 40 years in the power systems distribution >> area, and I was an active member of? the IEEE IAS Power Systems Reliability >> Subcommittee. > The last 25 years of my work life was as a consultant designing large > sound systems for public buildings -- theaters, stadiums, churches, jazz > clubs, even the United Terminal at O'Hare. > > 73, Jim K9YC > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to ac5p at sbcglobal.net > >? ? > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to rthorne at rthorne.net ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to tnnyswy at yahoo.com From john at kk9a.com Wed Aug 1 15:44:19 2018 From: john at kk9a.com (john at kk9a.com) Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2018 15:44:19 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Power Supply Cable Size Message-ID: Elecraft was my first experience with power pole connectors and I have purchased custom cables from Powerwerx. They did a nice job, eventually I purchased a crimper and connectors and made cables myself. If you are making the KPA1500 cable longer than the factory cable it is probably desirable to use a larger diameter. The factor may not be able to accommodate this since the 75 amp connector is made for 6 awg max. John KK9A Richard Thorne rthorne at rthorne.net Wed Aug 1 14:15:28 EDT 2018 Mike, I went directly to Elecraft with my question. The answer is 6g. I was told to be sure to use the correct crimp tool for the job. If I make the cable I'll probably just have Powerwerx handle it as they have the correct hydraulic tool for the job. Rich - N5ZC From KY5G at montac.com Wed Aug 1 15:55:07 2018 From: KY5G at montac.com (Clay Autery) Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2018 14:55:07 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Power Supply Cable Size In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: WHICH is why I detailed in the VERY beginning on this thread how to make the longer cable using 4AWG (or larger if desired).? The ONLY place the cable would not be the larger gauge would be in the crimp terminal... IF anyone is interested, I will repost what I wrote....? or just email me offline. 73, ______________________ Clay Autery, KY5G (318) 518-1389 On 01-Aug-18 14:44, john at kk9a.com wrote: > Elecraft was my first experience with power pole connectors and I have > purchased custom cables from Powerwerx. They did a nice job, eventually I > purchased a crimper and connectors and made cables myself. If you are > making the KPA1500 cable longer than the factory cable it is probably > desirable to use a larger diameter. The factor may not be able to > accommodate this since the 75 amp connector is made for 6 awg max. > > John KK9A > > > Richard Thorne rthorne at rthorne.net > Wed Aug 1 14:15:28 EDT 2018 > > Mike, > > I went directly to Elecraft with my question. The answer is 6g. > > I was told to be sure to use the correct crimp tool for the job. If I > make the cable I'll probably just have Powerwerx handle it as they have > the correct hydraulic tool for the job. > > Rich - N5ZC > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to ky5g at montac.com From dpbunte at gmail.com Wed Aug 1 16:05:41 2018 From: dpbunte at gmail.com (David Bunte) Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2018 16:05:41 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Power Supply Cable Size In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I am also a bit confused (not the first time), but I could have SWORN that the initial query was from someone who wanted a SHORTER cable. Dave - K9FN On Wed, Aug 1, 2018 at 3:45 PM john at kk9a.com wrote: > Elecraft was my first experience with power pole connectors and I have > purchased custom cables from Powerwerx. They did a nice job, eventually I > purchased a crimper and connectors and made cables myself. If you are > making the KPA1500 cable longer than the factory cable it is probably > desirable to use a larger diameter. The factor may not be able to > accommodate this since the 75 amp connector is made for 6 awg max. > > John KK9A > > > Richard Thorne rthorne at rthorne.net > Wed Aug 1 14:15:28 EDT 2018 > > Mike, > > I went directly to Elecraft with my question. The answer is 6g. > > I was told to be sure to use the correct crimp tool for the job. If I > make the cable I'll probably just have Powerwerx handle it as they have > the correct hydraulic tool for the job. > > Rich - N5ZC > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dpbunte at gmail.com > From john at kk9a.com Wed Aug 1 17:17:44 2018 From: john at kk9a.com (john at kk9a.com) Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2018 17:17:44 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Power Supply Cable Size Message-ID: <1b51896719b2650d4cff2942276ac56f.squirrel@www11.qth.com> That is why I said "IF" you are making a longer cable... John KK9A David Bunte K9FN wrote: I am also a bit confused (not the first time), but I could have SWORN that the initial query was from someone who wanted a SHORTER cable. Dave - K9FN On Wed, Aug 1, 2018 at 3:45 PM john at kk9a.com wrote: > Elecraft was my first experience with power pole connectors and I have > purchased custom cables from Powerwerx. They did a nice job, eventually I > purchased a crimper and connectors and made cables myself. If you are > making the KPA1500 cable longer than the factory cable it is probably > desirable to use a larger diameter. The factor may not be able to > accommodate this since the 75 amp connector is made for 6 awg max. > > John KK9A From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Wed Aug 1 17:40:47 2018 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2018 14:40:47 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Power Supply Cable Size In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 8/1/2018 12:44 PM, john at kk9a.com wrote: > eventually I > purchased a crimper and connectors and made cables myself. Call me old-fashioned, but I've installed hundreds of Power Pole connectors mostly the smaller red/white ones used on the K3, but also the much larger grey ones that accommodate up to #4 wire. I use only simple hand tools and a soldering iron. The use of crimp tools makes sense in a production environment. 73, Jim K9YC From edauer at law.du.edu Wed Aug 1 17:55:53 2018 From: edauer at law.du.edu (Dauer, Edward) Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2018 21:55:53 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Pig Knob for Sale Message-ID: I purchased a Pig Knob remote control for my K3 just before the K-Pod was announced. Great timing, eh? It has about one hour of use time on it - just enough for me to be sure it worked. I don't recall but I think I never programmed it for any specific function, so it probably still has the factory defaults. The package includes the pig knob, the I/O board, and all of the connecting cables including a couple I bought to connect it to a KX3 and an APP power source as well. The instructions are on the Internet. Having bought the K-Pod, I can't imagine ever using this so it's for sale. I have no idea what it's worth. How about best offer (include $13 for USPS Priority Mail shipping) received by off-line e-mail by 2300 UTC Friday, Aug. 3 . . . No Pay Pal. Personal check only. Ted, KN1CBR From k9jri at mac.com Wed Aug 1 18:16:10 2018 From: k9jri at mac.com (Michael Blake) Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2018 18:16:10 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3s+KPA500 SSB audio distortion In-Reply-To: <312A3CD1-8C02-4B75-B39D-D93ECAF477CB@mac.com> References: <312A3CD1-8C02-4B75-B39D-D93ECAF477CB@mac.com> Message-ID: <1749837A-A88B-4E71-8CA6-97B743691679@mac.com> Elecraft tech support suspects a bad KPA3A and has arranged for a module swap. It is nice that you (me) can be so pleased even when you encounter a problem. Great company. Very 73 - Mike - K9JRI > On Aug 1, 2018, at 10:19 AM, Michael Blake wrote: > > While on the air on 3710 SSB I receive audio reports that say my transmitted audio is somewhat muffled or nasal. Making adjustments to mic gain, compression levels, TX EQ seems to make no difference to this report. These adjustments do change the sound of the audio but do not reduce the reports of muffled or nasal characteristics. > > I normally run the KPA500 at 500 watts PEP output and the K3s is set to 18 watts to achieve this output. > > This morning I suspected that this nasal sound might be related to running the K3s at 18 watts as that uses both the 100 watt amplifier and the 12 watt amplifier but in series at very low drive levels. As a test I cut off the KPA500 and ran the K3s at 100 watts and the distortion was gone. As a second test I dropped the drive to 11.9 watts which dropped off the 100 watt amplifier module and runs the low power module at almost full power and the audio was still clean with the KPA500 delivering about 300 watts PEP. > > Is this something that anyone else has observed? Are there any built in tests or adjustments that might help this issue? I have run the transmitter gain calibration at all three power levels with satisfactory results. > > Oh yes,?. The condition is the same using a dynamic mic (EV RE50), an Electret Mic (MH4 & CM500) or mic audio from a USB connected computer (Blue Yeti). > > Very 73 - Mike - K9JRI > > > > > > > > > > Michael Blake > k9jri at mac.com > > > > > > From donwilh at embarqmail.com Wed Aug 1 18:40:52 2018 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2018 18:40:52 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Remote Panadaptor : Question on K3 i-f buffer amps... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9426d8ea-6573-895c-2121-54452fe3fe0c@embarqmail.com> Gerry, Was your K3 purchased before about 9/1/2009? If so, it may not have the IF buffer mod installed which increases the gain at the IF output by about 10dB. See IF Output Buffer Gain Modification in the listing of K3 mods. 73, Don W3FPR On 8/1/2018 3:14 PM, Gerry Hull wrote: > Hello All, > > I have worked with Tom, N1MM ad we now have a running remote spectrum > window running. > It's an AirSpy HF + at the station and a copy of N1MM+ which is forwarding > the XML spectral data. Using this mode, it only uses about 6 kb/s for > spectrum display and works VFB over a very limited DSL connection. > > Right now, I'm using the K3 i-f output. It's a bit low. I've seen some > chatter on i-f preamps for the K3, but can't seem to find any. I need one > that has the decent filter so the LO doesn't clobber it. > > Any ideas? From KY5G at montac.com Wed Aug 1 19:05:00 2018 From: KY5G at montac.com (Clay Autery) Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2018 18:05:00 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] FS: Elecraft K3/100, power supply, cables... In-Reply-To: <313901f5-2d28-11f2-4596-458800b2fc18@montac.com> References: <313901f5-2d28-11f2-4596-458800b2fc18@montac.com> Message-ID: <2bb4a616-63d8-1895-1565-db65ce8f138c@montac.com> SOLD ______________________ Clay Autery, KY5G (318) 518-1389 On 01-Aug-18 10:53, Clay Autery wrote: > I am re-listing the following for, and with the authority of Carl > Beck, W5BEK: > > > *** Elecraft K3 Transceiver (Serial #5765) as specified below *** > > PLUS: Adding the PowerWerx SS-30DV power supply to the deal!! > PLUS: 2 each UHF to UHF jumpers (Belden 8214 cable stock 11 AWG)) (K3 > to amp and amp to tuner) > > Here are the details on the radio: > > + K3/100 - K3 100W Transceiver Modular Kit > + KAT3 - K3 ATU Modular Kit > + KTCX03-1 - K3 TXCO? 1ppm f/w correction to 0.5 ppm > + KFL3A-2.8K - 2.8 kHz 8 pole roofing filter > + KFL3A-2.1K - 2.1 kHz 8 pole roofing filter > + KFL3A-1.0K - 1.0 kHz 8 pole roofing filter > + KFL3A-400 - 400 Hz 8 pole roofing filter > + KUSB - Universal Serial Bus Adapter (RS-232 to USB) > + MH-2 Microphone for K3 > + K3 Power supply cable - This appears to be a heavier gauge wire than > the OE cable.? Power Pole x formed/tinned terminal hooks. > > ++ KSYN3AUPG - KSYN3A Synthesizer Upgrade Kit for K3 > ++ KXV3B - RX Ant., 2nd Pre-Amp, IF Out and Xverter Interface > upgrade.? Adds 2nd preamp for 12,10,6 M > > This radio was housed in the central air-conditioned portion of a > no-smoking home.? It has never been taken to the field and is in > excellent, lightly used condition. > > After completion of this "K" version assembly, the unit was > subsequently submitted to Elecraft for bench testing and was fully > evaluated and calibrated and found to have "met or exceeded all > published specs". > > Between 12 July 2018 and the date of this "For Sale" post, the > following maintenance/checks were performed by Clay Autery, KY5G: > > 1) Upgraded to latest firmware:? Version 5.64 > 2) Thorough internal and external cleaning/detail. > 3) Checked for any "loose" fasteners; none found. > 3) Full replacement of Main and Sub-RX AF and RF knobs with current > production design > 4) Brand new LCD bezel > 5) Calibrations performed: > ???? a) Transmitter Gain: 5W and 50W? (will do Milliwatt TX Gain > Calibration if needed/on request) > ???? b)? Reference Oscillator: per method #2, Zero-Beat @ 20 MHz. Dead > on; no adjustment required!! > ???? c)? Front Panel Temperature Sensor: set per manual procedure > ???? d)? PA Temperature Sensor:? set per manual procedure > ???? e)? S-Meter and RF GAIN Control:? set per manual procedure > 6) Function check on all bands/SSB/AM/CW > > This radio is ready to go! > > High resolution photographs can be viewed here ----> > http://www.montac.com/images/k3_5765/ > > Original cost for this configuration: $3,355.45? Cost for closest > current configuration:? $4,229.50 > > **** Price:? $2,300.00 plus shipping and insurance.**** > > Payment via certified funds, check, PayPal.? Personal check will be > held until clearing.? PayPal is price PLUS PP fees. Will be shipped in > an Elecraft Factory box/packaging. > > Inquiries may be made to me directly, off-list, or by phone. > > 73, > From edauer at law.du.edu Wed Aug 1 19:32:38 2018 From: edauer at law.du.edu (Dauer, Edward) Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2018 23:32:38 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Using N1MM to Key a K3 with no outboard keyer Message-ID: The following may test our commitment to the idea that there is no such thing as a stupid question . . . . I finally got around to setting up my N1MM logger to key my transmitters without having to use a K1EL or any other keyer -- just the KUSB cable directly from the PC into the rig. After hours of frustrating failure, by lucky accident I came across a post on the Internet that gave examples for programming the Fn keys, using N1MM to key a KX3. Each command line contains the string CATA1ASC before the command KY. Without the CATA1ASC, hitting the Fn key does nothing. With it, and with the standard KY programming command, it works -- on the KX3 at least. My K3 is at my other QTH so I haven't tried this on that rig yet, but here's my question -- what is the CATA1ASC for? I did a word search in both the KX3 and the N1MM manuals, and in the KX3 Programmer's Guide, and I could find no mention of the CATA1ASC string. Had I not found the examples on the Internet accidentally I would still be trying to make this work with no success. So can someone help me understand what it's about and why I didn't see it in any of the manuals? Is it something in Windows 10? Thanks, Ted, KN1CBR From donwilh at embarqmail.com Wed Aug 1 20:05:45 2018 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2018 20:05:45 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Using N1MM to Key a K3 with no outboard keyer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <30274f72-5ea0-c4ca-a5ad-7e6d1c65750b@embarqmail.com> Ted, That is something in N1MM which effectively tell the N1MM software to send the ASCII string which follows through the CAT port. You may find more information in the N1MM help file or forums. 73, Don W3FPR On 8/1/2018 7:32 PM, Dauer, Edward wrote: > The following may test our commitment to the idea that there is no such thing as a stupid question . . . . > > I finally got around to setting up my N1MM logger to key my transmitters without having to use a K1EL or any other keyer -- just the KUSB cable directly from the PC into the rig. > > After hours of frustrating failure, by lucky accident I came across a post on the Internet that gave examples for programming the Fn keys, using N1MM to key a KX3. Each command line contains the string CATA1ASC before the command KY. Without the CATA1ASC, hitting the Fn key does nothing. With it, and with the standard KY programming command, it works -- on the KX3 at least. My K3 is at my other QTH so I haven't tried this on that rig yet, but here's my question -- what is the CATA1ASC for? I did a word search in both the KX3 and the N1MM manuals, and in the KX3 Programmer's Guide, and I could find no mention of the CATA1ASC string. Had I not found the examples on the Internet accidentally I would still be trying to make this work with no success. > > So can someone help me understand what it's about and why I didn't see it in any of the manuals? Is it something in Windows 10? From w4nz at comcast.net Wed Aug 1 20:35:01 2018 From: w4nz at comcast.net (Ted Bryant) Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2018 20:35:01 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Using N1MM to Key a K3 with no outboard keyer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <014101d429f8$a65b5a60$f3120f20$@comcast.net> You do not need the "CATA1ASC " commands to key the K3/K3s via the CAT control link. Look here: The K3 can accept PTT switching from several sources, including: a keying circuit from a serial or parallel port to the K3's PTT IN; PTT from a Winkeyer; RTS (pin 7) on the radio control RS232 port; using "Radio PTT via command"; or VOX It is better not to use multiple methods of PTT control in parallel; in some cases, and depending on which version of firmware is installed, doing so can leave a K3 stuck in transmit at the end of function-key messages. You should not check "Radio PTT via command" if you are using RTS on the radio control port, or any other hardware PTT connection, to control PTT ** Procedure for configuring RTS on the radio control RS232 port: Starting with the K3's CONFIG:PTT-KEY set to OFF-OFF, check the CW/Other box beside the radio control port in the Configurer and configure N1MM+ to control PTT from RTS on the radio control port (Port setup), and then set the K3's CONFIG:PTT-KEY to RTS-OFF (or RTS-DTR if you are also using CW via DTR) Warning: leaving RTS set to Always on with the K3's CONFIG:PTT-KEY set to RTS-OFF or RTS-DTR will cause the K3 to be permanently in transmit The K3 accepts CW keying on DTR (pin 4) of the same COM port you're using to control the K3. This method can be used when other methods (e.g. Winkeyer or a keying circuit on a separate COM or LPT port) are not available CW and radio control on the same COM port do NOT work in SO2R mode CW on DTR does NOT work with some USB-to-serial adapters (e.g. Prolific chipset - may depend on the driver version) CW on DTR may be missing some capabilities and may have other undesired side effects - use at your own risk ** Procedure: Starting with the K3's CONFIG:PTT-KEY set to OFF-OFF, check the CW/Other box beside the radio control port in the Configurer and configure N1MM+ to use DTR for CW on that port; set the K3's CONFIG:PTT-KEY to OFF-DTR (or RTS-DTR if you are also using PTT via RTS) Warning: leaving DTR set to Always on with the K3's CONFIG:PTT-KEY set to OFF-DTR or RTS-DTR will cause a permanent "key-down" condition 73, Ted W4NZ -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Dauer, Edward Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2018 7:33 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] Using N1MM to Key a K3 with no outboard keyer The following may test our commitment to the idea that there is no such thing as a stupid question . . . . I finally got around to setting up my N1MM logger to key my transmitters without having to use a K1EL or any other keyer -- just the KUSB cable directly from the PC into the rig. After hours of frustrating failure, by lucky accident I came across a post on the Internet that gave examples for programming the Fn keys, using N1MM to key a KX3. Each command line contains the string CATA1ASC before the command KY. Without the CATA1ASC, hitting the Fn key does nothing. With it, and with the standard KY programming command, it works -- on the KX3 at least. My K3 is at my other QTH so I haven't tried this on that rig yet, but here's my question -- what is the CATA1ASC for? I did a word search in both the KX3 and the N1MM manuals, and in the KX3 Programmer's Guide, and I could find no mention of the CATA1ASC string. Had I not found the examples on the Internet accidentally I would still be trying to make this work with no success. So can someone help me understand what it's about and why I didn't see it in any of the manuals? Is it something in Windows 10? Thanks, Ted, KN1CBR From k9ma at sdellington.us Wed Aug 1 20:47:07 2018 From: k9ma at sdellington.us (K9MA) Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2018 19:47:07 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Power Supply Cable Size In-Reply-To: <1b51896719b2650d4cff2942276ac56f.squirrel@www11.qth.com> References: <1b51896719b2650d4cff2942276ac56f.squirrel@www11.qth.com> Message-ID: If one is going to remote the KPA1500, wouldn't it make a lot more sense to extend the 240 V AC line? Or just install a 240 V outlet at the amplifier location. 73, Scott K9MA On 8/1/2018 16:17, john at kk9a.com wrote: > That is why I said "IF" you are making a longer cable... > > John KK9A > > David Bunte K9FN wrote: > > > I am also a bit confused (not the first time), but I could have SWORN that > the initial query was from someone who wanted a SHORTER cable. > > Dave - K9FN > > On Wed, Aug 1, 2018 at 3:45 PM john at kk9a.com wrote: > >> Elecraft was my first experience with power pole connectors and I have >> purchased custom cables from Powerwerx. They did a nice job, eventually I >> purchased a crimper and connectors and made cables myself. If you are >> making the KPA1500 cable longer than the factory cable it is probably >> desirable to use a larger diameter. The factor may not be able to >> accommodate this since the 75 amp connector is made for 6 awg max. >> >> John KK9A > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k9ma at sdellington.us -- Scott K9MA k9ma at sdellington.us From donwilh at embarqmail.com Wed Aug 1 20:51:13 2018 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2018 20:51:13 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Using N1MM to Key a K3 with no outboard keyer In-Reply-To: <014101d429f8$a65b5a60$f3120f20$@comcast.net> References: <014101d429f8$a65b5a60$f3120f20$@comcast.net> Message-ID: <2388df0f-4c8b-5038-5560-517b40f4ec7b@embarqmail.com> Ted and all, I believe you do need the CATA1ASC to send ASCII strings to the transceiver for keying (not PTT) for CW keying. The K3 with VOX set ON will key (and transmit CW) without asserting PTT. It is like "touch the key to transmit". Yes, other methods such as keying via DTR or RTS are possible as well. Using multiple methods of PTT can cause the K3 to lock in transmit. 73, Don W3FPR On 8/1/2018 8:35 PM, Ted Bryant wrote: > You do not need the "CATA1ASC " commands to key the K3/K3s via the CAT > control link. > > Look here: > N1MM+Logger+Documentation#K3_and_K3S> > > The K3 can accept PTT switching from several sources, including: a keying > circuit from a serial or parallel port to the K3's PTT IN; PTT from a > Winkeyer; RTS (pin 7) on the radio control RS232 port; using "Radio PTT via > command"; or VOX > It is better not to use multiple methods of PTT control in parallel; in some > cases, and depending on which version of firmware is installed, doing so can > leave a K3 stuck in transmit at the end of function-key messages. You should > not check "Radio PTT via command" if you are using RTS on the radio control > port, or any other hardware PTT connection, to control PTT > ** Procedure for configuring RTS on the radio control RS232 port: Starting > with the K3's CONFIG:PTT-KEY set to OFF-OFF, check the CW/Other box beside > the radio control port in the Configurer and configure N1MM+ to control PTT > from RTS on the radio control port (Port setup), and then set the K3's > CONFIG:PTT-KEY to RTS-OFF (or RTS-DTR if you are also using CW via DTR) > Warning: leaving RTS set to Always on with the K3's CONFIG:PTT-KEY set to > RTS-OFF or RTS-DTR will cause the K3 to be permanently in transmit > > The K3 accepts CW keying on DTR (pin 4) of the same COM port you're using to > control the K3. This method can be used when other methods (e.g. Winkeyer or > a keying circuit on a separate COM or LPT port) are not available > CW and radio control on the same COM port do NOT work in SO2R mode > CW on DTR does NOT work with some USB-to-serial adapters (e.g. Prolific > chipset - may depend on the driver version) > CW on DTR may be missing some capabilities and may have other undesired side > effects - use at your own risk > ** Procedure: Starting with the K3's CONFIG:PTT-KEY set to OFF-OFF, check > the CW/Other box beside the radio control port in the Configurer and > configure N1MM+ to use DTR for CW on that port; set the K3's CONFIG:PTT-KEY > to OFF-DTR (or RTS-DTR if you are also using PTT via RTS) > Warning: leaving DTR set to Always on with the K3's CONFIG:PTT-KEY set to > OFF-DTR or RTS-DTR will cause a permanent "key-down" condition From ks4v at comcast.net Wed Aug 1 20:54:52 2018 From: ks4v at comcast.net (ks4v at comcast.net) Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2018 19:54:52 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3s+KPA500 SSB audio distortion In-Reply-To: Message-ID: A local ham had the exact same problem. It was not a problem with his setup.? Elecraft replaced the PA board and the problem went away.BruceKS4V -------- Original message --------From: Jim Miller Date: 8/1/18 10:42 AM (GMT-06:00) To: Ignacy Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3s+KPA500 SSB audio distortion I ran my KPA500 for several years at 500w and often received unsolicited ?great audio? reports. CM500 was my headset. Something is wrong with your setup. Jim ab3cv (have kpa1500 now) On Aug 1, 2018, at 11:09 AM, Ignacy wrote: Could it be RF feedback? You can check it by transmitting into a dummy load or lowering the drive power. Ignacy, NO9E? -- Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to jim at jtmiller.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ks4v at comcast.net From donwilh at embarqmail.com Wed Aug 1 20:59:54 2018 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2018 20:59:54 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K2 KBT2 option question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Mark, The switch disconnects the K2 power input from the battery, so you must have the switch in the ON position for the battery to be in circuit for testing/operation (also for charging the battery). If you are using the power supply for charging the internal battery, increase the power supply to at least 14.1 volts (14.3 volts is better). 73, Don W3FPR On 8/1/2018 12:05 AM, Mark Petrovic wrote: > I'm installing the KBT2 internal battery option on my K2 s/n 7809. > > In what position should the K2 rear panel "Int. Battery" switch be for the > Connecting and Testing of the KBT2, On or Off? I'm assuming, On, but > wanted to double check. > From tnnyswy at yahoo.com Wed Aug 1 20:56:11 2018 From: tnnyswy at yahoo.com (tnnyswy at yahoo.com) Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2018 00:56:11 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Power Supply Cable Size In-Reply-To: References: <1b51896719b2650d4cff2942276ac56f.squirrel@www11.qth.com> Message-ID: <2001656655.865804.1533171371285@mail.yahoo.com> In other words! Keep It Simple Stupid! .........KISS! Milverton / W9MMS. On Wednesday, August 1, 2018, 7:49:36 PM CDT, K9MA wrote: If one is going to remote the KPA1500, wouldn't it make a lot more sense to extend the 240 V AC line? Or just install a 240 V outlet at the amplifier location. 73, Scott K9MA On 8/1/2018 16:17, john at kk9a.com wrote: > That is why I said "IF" you are making a longer cable... > > John KK9A > > David Bunte K9FN wrote: > > > I am also a bit confused (not the first time), but I could have SWORN that > the initial query was from someone who wanted a SHORTER cable. > > Dave - K9FN > > On Wed, Aug 1, 2018 at 3:45 PM john at kk9a.com wrote: > >> Elecraft was my first experience with power pole connectors and I have >> purchased custom cables from Powerwerx. They did a nice job, eventually I >> purchased a crimper and connectors and made cables myself. If you are >> making the KPA1500 cable longer than the factory cable it is probably >> desirable to use a larger diameter. The factor may not be able to >> accommodate this since the 75 amp connector is made for 6 awg max. >> >> John KK9A > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k9ma at sdellington.us -- Scott? K9MA k9ma at sdellington.us ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to tnnyswy at yahoo.com From ve3iay at gmail.com Wed Aug 1 21:08:19 2018 From: ve3iay at gmail.com (Richard Ferch) Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2018 21:08:19 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Using N1MM to Key a K3 with no outboard keyer Message-ID: This keying method is not described in detail in the N1MM+ documentation because it is not supported by the N1MM+ development team. The reasons for this can be found in the N1MM+ online manual (at < http://n1mm.hamdocs.com/tiki-index.php?page=Serial+Parallel+and+Sound+Card+Interfacing&structure=N1MM+Logger+Documentation#Choosing_Your_CW_Method>); in a nutshell, several of N1MM+'s advanced features do not work with this keying method. With the K3/K3S, but not the KX2 or KX3, there is another simpler method which does not have any of the drawbacks of the CAT command method and which does not require all of those CAT1ASC macros in your sent messages. It is described in the N1MM+ manual at < http://n1mm.hamdocs.com/tiki-index.php?page=Supported+Radios&structure=N1MM+Logger+Documentation#K3_and_K3S>. Basicallly, you set the K3's CONFIG:PTT-KEY method to OFF-DTR or RTS-DTR (depending on whether you want PTT as well as CW keying or not), and then in the N1MM+ Configurer you configure DTR on the radio control port for CW (and RTS for PTT if you want that as well). Unfortunately, this method will not work with the KX2 or KX3 because their serial port interfaces do not have DTR or RTS connections. For this reason, the CAT1ASC macro method is used with N1MM+ by many KX2/KX3 owners, despite its shortcomings in this context. Note: the use of the specialized CATA1ASC macro instead of the basic CAT1ASC macro is unnecessary. You can find the documentation for the CAT1ASC family of macros at < http://n1mm.hamdocs.com/tiki-index.php?page=Macros&structure=N1MM+Logger+Documentation#CATHEX_and_CATASC_Radio_Hex_Macro_Commands >. 73, Rich VE3KI KN1CBR wrote: The following may test our commitment to the idea that there is no such thing as a \ stupid question . . . . I finally got around to setting up my N1MM logger to key my transmitters without \ having to use a K1EL or any other keyer -- just the KUSB cable directly from the PC \ into the rig. After hours of frustrating failure, by lucky accident I came across a post on the \ Internet that gave examples for programming the Fn keys, using N1MM to key a KX3. \ Each command line contains the string CATA1ASC before the command KY. Without the \ CATA1ASC, hitting the Fn key does nothing. With it, and with the standard KY \ programming command, it works -- on the KX3 at least. My K3 is at my other QTH so I \ haven't tried this on that rig yet, but here's my question -- what is the CATA1ASC \ for? I did a word search in both the KX3 and the N1MM manuals, and in the KX3 \ Programmer's Guide, and I could find no mention of the CATA1ASC string. Had I not \ found the examples on the Internet accidentally I would still be trying to make this \ work with no success. So can someone help me understand what it's about and why I didn't see it in any of \ the manuals? Is it something in Windows 10? Thanks, Ted, KN1CBR From donwilh at embarqmail.com Wed Aug 1 21:12:23 2018 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2018 21:12:23 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3s+KPA500 SSB audio distortion In-Reply-To: <20180802005629.2263F149B16C@mailman.qth.net> References: <20180802005629.2263F149B16C@mailman.qth.net> Message-ID: <98d61e58-2f90-ce8b-c848-11d6acc30e4b@embarqmail.com> If the problem is present with the K3 (without the KPA500) set to 50 to 100 watts, then the KPA3 is the likely problem. BUT if the K3 operated up to 100 watts does no have the problem, look for an RF in the Shack problem that may not be apparent at 100 watts, but 'rears its ugly head' at 500 watts output. 73, Don W3FPR On 8/1/2018 8:54 PM, ks4v at comcast.net wrote: > A local ham had the exact same problem. It was not a problem with his setup.? Elecraft replaced the PA board and the problem went away.BruceKS4V > -------- Original message --------From: Jim Miller Date: 8/1/18 10:42 AM (GMT-06:00) To: Ignacy Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3s+KPA500 SSB audio distortion > I ran my KPA500 for several years at 500w and often received unsolicited ?great audio? reports. CM500 was my headset. From nr4c at widomaker.com Wed Aug 1 21:23:24 2018 From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c) Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2018 21:23:24 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Using N1MM to Key a K3 with no outboard keyer In-Reply-To: <30274f72-5ea0-c4ca-a5ad-7e6d1c65750b@embarqmail.com> References: <30274f72-5ea0-c4ca-a5ad-7e6d1c65750b@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: This works but it is far easier. If you are using the built-in Meyer in the K3, just go to CONFIG/PTT-KEY and set to ?off-DTR?. Now go the n1mm config and set your radio comm port and check ?cw? and then tap ?Set?. Setup the port info and under DTR set to CW. Close the configurer window and the CONFIG menu on radio. Turn ON VOX and give it a try. Sent from my iPhone ...nr4c. bill > On Aug 1, 2018, at 8:05 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > > Ted, > > That is something in N1MM which effectively tell the N1MM software to send the ASCII string which follows through the CAT port. > > You may find more information in the N1MM help file or forums. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > >> On 8/1/2018 7:32 PM, Dauer, Edward wrote: >> The following may test our commitment to the idea that there is no such thing as a stupid question . . . . >> I finally got around to setting up my N1MM logger to key my transmitters without having to use a K1EL or any other keyer -- just the KUSB cable directly from the PC into the rig. >> After hours of frustrating failure, by lucky accident I came across a post on the Internet that gave examples for programming the Fn keys, using N1MM to key a KX3. Each command line contains the string CATA1ASC before the command KY. Without the CATA1ASC, hitting the Fn key does nothing. With it, and with the standard KY programming command, it works -- on the KX3 at least. My K3 is at my other QTH so I haven't tried this on that rig yet, but here's my question -- what is the CATA1ASC for? I did a word search in both the KX3 and the N1MM manuals, and in the KX3 Programmer's Guide, and I could find no mention of the CATA1ASC string. Had I not found the examples on the Internet accidentally I would still be trying to make this work with no success. >> So can someone help me understand what it's about and why I didn't see it in any of the manuals? Is it something in Windows 10? > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to nr4c at widomaker.com From k9jri at mac.com Wed Aug 1 21:23:45 2018 From: k9jri at mac.com (Michael Blake) Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2018 21:23:45 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3s+KPA500 SSB audio distortion In-Reply-To: <20180802005630.511B5149B170@mailman.qth.net> References: <20180802005630.511B5149B170@mailman.qth.net> Message-ID: <2CC60FC7-B3BB-446E-A047-77C00BD1200B@mac.com> Bruce, Elecraft is replacing mine too. They came to that conclusion after directing me to make a few tests and report the results. 73 - Mike - K9JRI > On Aug 1, 2018, at 20:54, "ks4v at comcast.net" wrote: > > A local ham had the exact same problem. It was not a problem with his setup. Elecraft replaced the PA board and the problem went away.BruceKS4V > -------- Original message --------From: Jim Miller Date: 8/1/18 10:42 AM (GMT-06:00) To: Ignacy Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3s+KPA500 SSB audio distortion > I ran my KPA500 for several years at 500w and often received unsolicited ?great audio? reports. CM500 was my headset. > > Something is wrong with your setup. > > Jim ab3cv (have kpa1500 now) > > On Aug 1, 2018, at 11:09 AM, Ignacy wrote: > > Could it be RF feedback? You can check it by transmitting into a dummy load > or lowering the drive power. > Ignacy, NO9E > > > > -- > Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to jim at jtmiller.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to ks4v at comcast.net > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k9jri at mac.com From lee.buller at gmail.com Wed Aug 1 21:55:56 2018 From: lee.buller at gmail.com (Leroy Buller) Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2018 20:55:56 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] FS: N-Gen Module Message-ID: For Sale: N-Gen Wide Band Noise Generator $50.00 PayPal OK Lee Buller K0WA From wcbilljohnson at yahoo.com Wed Aug 1 22:03:07 2018 From: wcbilljohnson at yahoo.com (William C. Johnson) Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2018 02:03:07 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] K3s+KPA500 SSB Audio Distortion References: <242774062.795491.1533175387081.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <242774062.795491.1533175387081@mail.yahoo.com> Michael I also have the same problem. Worked on it with Elecraft Support several times to no avail. I have tried several different microphones, antennas, baluns. Still no joy. I also use 18 watts drive, I had not thought of anything other than rf feedback. I will play with different drive levels.In frustration I have quit using the KPA-500. I hope you are on to something. Bill J K7BRR Yuma Message: 2Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2018 10:19:04 -0400 From: Michael Blake To: Elecraft Mailing List Subject: [Elecraft] K3s+KPA500 SSB audio distortion Message-ID: <312A3CD1-8C02-4B75-B39D-D93ECAF477CB at mac.com> Content-Type: text/plain;??? charset=utf-8 While on the air on 3710 SSB I receive audio reports that say my transmitted audio is somewhat muffled or nasal.? Making adjustments to mic gain, compression levels, TX EQ seems to make no difference to this report. These adjustments do change the sound of the audio but do not reduce the reports of muffled or nasal characteristics. I normally run the KPA500 at 500 watts PEP output and the K3s is set to 18 watts to achieve this output. This morning I suspected that this nasal sound might be related to running the K3s at 18 watts as that uses both the 100 watt amplifier and the 12 watt amplifier but in series at very low drive levels.? As a test I cut off the KPA500 and ran the K3s at 100 watts and the distortion was gone.? As a second test I dropped the drive to 11.9 watts which dropped off the 100 watt amplifier module and runs the low power module at almost full power and the audio was still clean with the KPA500 delivering about 300 watts PEP. Is this something that anyone else has observed?? Are there any built in tests or adjustments that might help this issue?? I have run the transmitter gain calibration at all three power levels with satisfactory results. Oh yes,?.? The condition is the same using a dynamic mic (EV RE50), an Electret Mic (MH4 & CM500) or mic audio from a USB connected computer (Blue Yeti). Very 73 - Mike - K9JRI From va3mw at portcredit.net Wed Aug 1 22:18:23 2018 From: va3mw at portcredit.net (Michael Walker) Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2018 22:18:23 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3s+KPA500 SSB Audio Distortion In-Reply-To: <242774062.795491.1533175387081@mail.yahoo.com> References: <242774062.795491.1533175387081.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <242774062.795491.1533175387081@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: To be sure, your next test is to run the KPA500 into a dummy load and listen to yourself on another receiver. This will help confirm if you have an equipment issue or an RFI issue. It is critical to start with a very basic setup and work your way up to more complicated. K3 and a hand mic into a dummy load. If that is ok, then add the KPA500, etc. Beyond that, you are can quickly be chasing your tail. After all that and you add an antenna, and you have the problem, you have to start dealing with common mode currents (aka RFI). Start install chokes (like Mix 41) on feedlines and powerlines. Both ends. At the antenna and at the radio. I read a document by the YCCC years ago and it became my bible on RF issues. The by product is that I started to hear more as I had less receiver noise as well. Let us know how you make out. Mike va3mw On Wed, Aug 1, 2018 at 10:03 PM, William C. Johnson via Elecraft < elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote: > Michael I also have the same problem. Worked on it with Elecraft Support > several times to no avail. > I have tried several different microphones, antennas, baluns. Still no > joy. I also use 18 watts drive, I had not thought of anything other than rf > feedback. I will play with different drive levels.In frustration I have > quit using the KPA-500. I hope you are on to something. > Bill J K7BRR Yuma > > Message: 2Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2018 10:19:04 -0400 > From: Michael Blake > To: Elecraft Mailing List > Subject: [Elecraft] K3s+KPA500 SSB audio distortion > Message-ID: <312A3CD1-8C02-4B75-B39D-D93ECAF477CB at mac.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > While on the air on 3710 SSB I receive audio reports that say my > transmitted audio is somewhat muffled or nasal. Making adjustments to mic > gain, compression levels, TX EQ seems to make no difference to this report. > These adjustments do change the sound of the audio but do not reduce the > reports of muffled or nasal characteristics. > > I normally run the KPA500 at 500 watts PEP output and the K3s is set to 18 > watts to achieve this output. > > This morning I suspected that this nasal sound might be related to running > the K3s at 18 watts as that uses both the 100 watt amplifier and the 12 > watt amplifier but in series at very low drive levels. As a test I cut off > the KPA500 and ran the K3s at 100 watts and the distortion was gone. As a > second test I dropped the drive to 11.9 watts which dropped off the 100 > watt amplifier module and runs the low power module at almost full power > and the audio was still clean with the KPA500 delivering about 300 watts > PEP. > > Is this something that anyone else has observed? Are there any built in > tests or adjustments that might help this issue? I have run the > transmitter gain calibration at all three power levels with satisfactory > results. > > Oh yes,?. The condition is the same using a dynamic mic (EV RE50), an > Electret Mic (MH4 & CM500) or mic audio from a USB connected computer (Blue > Yeti). > > Very 73 - Mike - K9JRI > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to va3mw at portcredit.net From nr4c at widomaker.com Wed Aug 1 22:51:22 2018 From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c) Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2018 22:51:22 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Using N1MM to Key a K3 with no outboard keyer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I have a project on my website ( NR4C.net/projects ) that will connect to a serial port (DE-9 or KUSB) and provide the CAT and breakout DTR & RTS lines for CW and PTT on KX2 and KX3 radios. Works well with n1mm. Sent from my iPhone ...nr4c. bill > On Aug 1, 2018, at 9:08 PM, Richard Ferch wrote: > > This keying method is not described in detail in the N1MM+ documentation > because it is not supported by the N1MM+ development team. The reasons for > this can be found in the N1MM+ online manual (at < > http://n1mm.hamdocs.com/tiki-index.php?page=Serial+Parallel+and+Sound+Card+Interfacing&structure=N1MM+Logger+Documentation#Choosing_Your_CW_Method>); > in a nutshell, several of N1MM+'s advanced features do not work with this > keying method. > > With the K3/K3S, but not the KX2 or KX3, there is another simpler method > which does not have any of the drawbacks of the CAT command method and > which does not require all of those CAT1ASC macros in your sent messages. > It is described in the N1MM+ manual at < > http://n1mm.hamdocs.com/tiki-index.php?page=Supported+Radios&structure=N1MM+Logger+Documentation#K3_and_K3S>. > Basicallly, you set the K3's CONFIG:PTT-KEY method to OFF-DTR or RTS-DTR > (depending on whether you want PTT as well as CW keying or not), and then > in the N1MM+ Configurer you configure DTR on the radio control port for CW > (and RTS for PTT if you want that as well). > > Unfortunately, this method will not work with the KX2 or KX3 because their > serial port interfaces do not have DTR or RTS connections. For this reason, > the CAT1ASC macro method is used with N1MM+ by many KX2/KX3 owners, despite > its shortcomings in this context. > > Note: the use of the specialized CATA1ASC macro instead of the basic > CAT1ASC macro is unnecessary. You can find the documentation for the > CAT1ASC family of macros at < > http://n1mm.hamdocs.com/tiki-index.php?page=Macros&structure=N1MM+Logger+Documentation#CATHEX_and_CATASC_Radio_Hex_Macro_Commands >> . > > 73, > Rich VE3KI > > > KN1CBR wrote: > > The following may test our commitment to the idea that there is no such > thing as a \ > stupid question . . . . > > I finally got around to setting up my N1MM logger to key my transmitters > without \ From pasek001 at umn.edu Wed Aug 1 22:56:44 2018 From: pasek001 at umn.edu (George Pasek) Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2018 21:56:44 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Time Out Timer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I am running WSIT-X, but anything on the computer that could activate the VOX, PTT, or CW key line could cause the KX3 to hang in transmit on a variety of modes. I only run 500mw on WSPR so the PA Hi Temp Limit should not be relied on to stop transmission. It would be nice if the KX3 had a TOT to protect itself from any external devices. de George WD0AKZ dit ? dit From: rich hurd WC3T Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2018 11:00 AM To: George Pasek Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 Time Out Timer WSJT-X has a watchdog. Of course that's only useful if that's what you are running. :) On Wed, Aug 1, 2018 at 10:20 George Pasek wrote: Maybe I was asleep in class the day this was discussed, but is there a TOT for the KX3 transmitter? Now that I am running my KX3 a lot on WSPR I was thinking that it would be a good idea to have a TOT that would shut down the transmitter if a computer failure should keep the VOX or PTT active for more than 2 minutes. I did look through the Menu items and did a Google search before wasting bandwidth here but I did not find anything. tnx de George WD0AKZ dit ? dit --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From mspetrovic at gmail.com Thu Aug 2 08:36:40 2018 From: mspetrovic at gmail.com (Mark Petrovic) Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2018 05:36:40 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K2 KBT2 option question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks, Don. I know the question was almost impossibly naive. I backtracked through the instructions, and found no mention of which position the switch should be in. This omission, and the fact that S1 mentioned in the manual has now become the 12V jumper, were the only two steps that gave me pause as I worked through the installation. Many thanks. Mark AE6RT On Wed, Aug 1, 2018 at 5:59 PM Don Wilhelm wrote: > Mark, > > The switch disconnects the K2 power input from the battery, so you must > have the switch in the ON position for the battery to be in circuit for > testing/operation (also for charging the battery). If you are using the > power supply for charging the internal battery, increase the power > supply to at least 14.1 volts (14.3 volts is better). > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 8/1/2018 12:05 AM, Mark Petrovic wrote: > > I'm installing the KBT2 internal battery option on my K2 s/n 7809. > > > > In what position should the K2 rear panel "Int. Battery" switch be for > the > > Connecting and Testing of the KBT2, On or Off? I'm assuming, On, but > > wanted to double check. > > > -- Mark From a.durbin at msn.com Thu Aug 2 09:22:37 2018 From: a.durbin at msn.com (ANDY DURBIN) Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2018 13:22:37 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Using N1MM to Key a K3 with no outboard keyer Message-ID: "but here's my question -- what is the CATA1ASC for?" http://n1mm.hamdocs.com/tiki-index.php?page=Macros As a TS-590 owner it's interesting that KY command as implemented by Elecraft does not conform to the Kenwood definition. The Elecraft implementation is much better since it allows KY strings to be less than the full length required by Kenwood. The difference is huge because it means the application can use string substitution where the substitution is not a constant length (as in callsign or serial number). 73, Andy k3wyc From dave at nk7z.net Thu Aug 2 09:37:41 2018 From: dave at nk7z.net (Dave Cole (NK7Z)) Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2018 06:37:41 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] FS: N-Gen Module In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Assuming shipping is included, I will take it, what is your PP address please? 73s and thanks, Dave (NK7Z/NNR0DC) https://www.nk7z.net ARRL Technical Specialist On 08/01/2018 06:55 PM, Leroy Buller wrote: > For Sale: N-Gen Wide Band Noise Generator > > $50.00 > > PayPal OK > > Lee Buller K0WA > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dave at nk7z.net > From n6kr at elecraft.com Thu Aug 2 11:52:34 2018 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2018 08:52:34 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Massive opening on 10 and 6 meters right now... Message-ID: <5530E67D-0732-4A84-B6AA-CDDDB3042031@elecraft.com> Listening on 50.125. Wayne N6KR From n6kr at elecraft.com Thu Aug 2 12:26:10 2018 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2018 09:26:10 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Massive opening on 10 and 6 meters right now... In-Reply-To: <5530E67D-0732-4A84-B6AA-CDDDB3042031@elecraft.com> References: <5530E67D-0732-4A84-B6AA-CDDDB3042031@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <33792F1F-AE0D-4EE1-89F9-EF9A64E1F037@elecraft.com> Just worked Alabama from CA on 50.125 using 50 W and a hamstick dipole :) Call me a 6 m newbie, but this is my best DX on 6 yet. Wayne N6KR > On Aug 2, 2018, at 8:52 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > > Listening on 50.125. > > Wayne > N6KR > > From Gary at ka1j.com Thu Aug 2 12:30:32 2018 From: Gary at ka1j.com (Gary Smith) Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2018 12:30:32 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Using N1MM to Key a K3 with no outboard keyer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5B6331A8.14147.C691010@Gary.ka1j.com> My regrets that this does not answer the topic but FWIW, I was having a lot of issues getting N1MM to work with the Elecraft keyer. Sometimes it would work and other times I would even get N1MM to freeze. I utilized Win4K3Suite which is a fine software for compatibly but I still had intermittent issues with the keying. I finally bought the Winkeyer USB and only have it plugged into the USB port in a powered USB hub (or direct to the computer) and a cable running from "KEY" on the winkeyer to "KEY" on the K3. I then checked off Winkeyer in the N1MM configuration and that was it, plug & play and the CW with N1MM is perfect. If you can't get a consistent workable solution, this is one workable answer to getting N1MM to play nice on CW. 73, Gary KA1J > "but here's my question -- what is the CATA1ASC for?" > > http://n1mm.hamdocs.com/tiki-index.php?page=Macros > > As a TS-590 owner it's interesting that KY command as implemented by > Elecraft does not conform to the Kenwood definition. The Elecraft > implementation is much better since it allows KY strings to be less > than the full length required by Kenwood. The difference is huge > because it means the application can use string substitution where the > substitution is not a constant length (as in callsign or serial > number). > > 73, > Andy k3wyc From ag5m at yahoo.com Thu Aug 2 12:35:02 2018 From: ag5m at yahoo.com (Richard AG5M) Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2018 16:35:02 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] Re: OT: Massive opening on 10 and 6 meters right now... References: <1930517861.1128410.1533227702067.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1930517861.1128410.1533227702067@mail.yahoo.com> Got the word, I'm up on 6m, but absolutely nothing being heard up here in south eastern WA. Bummer... 73, Richard AG5M -------------------------------------------- On Thu, 8/2/18, Wayne Burdick n6kr at elecraft.com [KX3] wrote: Subject: [KX3] Re: OT: Massive opening on 10 and 6 meters right now... To: "Elecraft Reflector" Cc: "KX3 at yahoogroups.com" Date: Thursday, August 2, 2018, 9:26 AM Just worked Alabama from CA on 50.125 using 50 W and a hamstick dipole :) Call me a 6 m newbie, but this is my best DX on 6 yet. Wayne N6KR > On Aug 2, 2018, at 8:52 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > > Listening on 50.125. > > Wayne > N6KR > > __._,_.___ Posted by: Wayne Burdick Reply via web post ? Reply to sender ? Reply to group ? Start a New Topic ? Messages in this topic (2) Have you tried the highest rated email app? 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elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] Using N1MM to Key a K3 with no outboard keyer "but here's my question -- what is the CATA1ASC for?" http://n1mm.hamdocs.com/tiki-index.php?page=Macros As a TS-590 owner it's interesting that KY command as implemented by Elecraft does not conform to the Kenwood definition.? The Elecraft implementation is much better since it allows KY strings to be less than the full length required by Kenwood.?? The difference is huge because it means the application can use string substitution where the substitution is not a constant length (as in callsign or serial number). 73, Andy k3wyc ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to k6dgw at foothill.net -- This message has been scanned by E.F.A. Project and is believed to be clean. From rmcgraw at blomand.net Thu Aug 2 12:37:53 2018 From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX) Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2018 11:37:53 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] Re: OT: Massive opening on 10 and 6 meters right now... In-Reply-To: <1930517861.1128410.1533227702067@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1930517861.1128410.1533227702067.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1930517861.1128410.1533227702067@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <31f37f30-7484-6a54-90fb-d51d57473679@blomand.net> Listening on 50.125 +/- 10 kHz beaming NW from EM76. 73 Bob, K4TAX On 8/2/2018 11:35 AM, Richard AG5M via Elecraft wrote: > Got the word, I'm up on 6m, but absolutely nothing being heard up here in south eastern WA. Bummer... > 73, Richard AG5M > > -------------------------------------------- > On Thu, 8/2/18, Wayne Burdick n6kr at elecraft.com [KX3] wrote: > > Subject: [KX3] Re: OT: Massive opening on 10 and 6 meters right now... > To: "Elecraft Reflector" > Cc: "KX3 at yahoogroups.com" > Date: Thursday, August 2, 2018, 9:26 AM > > Just worked Alabama from CA on 50.125 using 50 W > and a hamstick dipole :) > > > > Call me a 6 m newbie, but this is my best DX on 6 yet. > > > > Wayne > > N6KR > > > > > On Aug 2, 2018, at 8:52 AM, Wayne Burdick > wrote: > > > > > > Listening on 50.125. > > > > > > Wayne > > > N6KR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __._,_.___ > > > > > > > > > > > Posted by: Wayne Burdick > > > > > > Reply > via web post > ? > > Reply to sender > ? > > Reply to group > ? > Start a New > Topic > ? > Messages in this > topic > (2) > > > > > > > > > > > Have you tried the highest rated > email app? > With 4.5 stars in iTunes, the Yahoo Mail app is the > highest rated email app on the market. 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#yiv5534841951 #yiv5534841951ygrp-text tt { > font-size:120%;} > > #yiv5534841951 #yiv5534841951ygrp-vital ul li:last-child { > border-right:none !important; > } > #yiv5534841951 > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to rmcgraw at blomand.net From gkidder at ilstu.edu Thu Aug 2 12:35:41 2018 From: gkidder at ilstu.edu (GWK) Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2018 12:35:41 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] Re: OT: Massive opening on 10 and 6 meters right now... In-Reply-To: <1930517861.1128410.1533227702067@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1930517861.1128410.1533227702067.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1930517861.1128410.1533227702067@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Nothing heard in Maine, either. No response to calls. That's 6M! George, W3HBM On 8/2/2018 12:35 PM, Richard AG5M via Elecraft wrote: > Got the word, I'm up on 6m, but absolutely nothing being heard up here in south eastern WA. Bummer... > 73, Richard AG5M > > -------------------------------------------- > On Thu, 8/2/18, Wayne Burdick n6kr at elecraft.com [KX3] wrote: > > Subject: [KX3] Re: OT: Massive opening on 10 and 6 meters right now... > To: "Elecraft Reflector" > Cc: "KX3 at yahoogroups.com" > Date: Thursday, August 2, 2018, 9:26 AM > > Just worked Alabama from CA on 50.125 using 50 W > and a hamstick dipole :) > > > > Call me a 6 m newbie, but this is my best DX on 6 yet. > > > > Wayne > > N6KR > > > > > On Aug 2, 2018, at 8:52 AM, Wayne Burdick > wrote: > > > > > > Listening on 50.125. > > > > > > Wayne > > > N6KR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __._,_.___ > > > > > > > > > > > Posted by: Wayne Burdick > > > > > > Reply > via web post > ? > > Reply to sender > ? > > Reply to group > ? > Start a New > Topic > ? > Messages in this > topic > (2) > > > > > > > > > > > Have you tried the highest rated > email app? > With 4.5 stars in iTunes, the Yahoo Mail app is the > highest rated email app on the market. 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#yiv5534841951 #yiv5534841951ygrp-text tt { > font-size:120%;} > > #yiv5534841951 #yiv5534841951ygrp-vital ul li:last-child { > border-right:none !important; > } > #yiv5534841951 > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to gkidder at ilstu.edu > From awinger2011 at icloud.com Thu Aug 2 12:40:50 2018 From: awinger2011 at icloud.com (Albert Winger) Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2018 10:40:50 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Equipment Sold Message-ID: <7E39CEEE-326D-4132-B979-8CFB0FD9C688@icloud.com> The kx3 and px3 have been sold to good homes. Thanks 73 Al W1NGA Monument, CO From cameronfranceyutils at hotmail.com Thu Aug 2 13:00:53 2018 From: cameronfranceyutils at hotmail.com (Cameron Francey) Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2018 17:00:53 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Massive opening on 10 and 6 meters right now... In-Reply-To: <5530E67D-0732-4A84-B6AA-CDDDB3042031@elecraft.com> References: <5530E67D-0732-4A84-B6AA-CDDDB3042031@elecraft.com> Message-ID: Looks like here in Cannon Beach on the currently wet Oregon coast I can hear a good number of CW beacons on 10m, all from CA. I don?t have 6m (K2 only here) Put a few calls out on the key and was spotted in Nevada. Will keep an eye out and maybe make another attempt shortly. Thanks for the notification. Cameron ? AF7DK From dave at nk7z.net Thu Aug 2 13:06:06 2018 From: dave at nk7z.net (Dave Cole (NK7Z)) Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2018 10:06:06 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Massive opening on 10 and 6 meters right now... In-Reply-To: References: <5530E67D-0732-4A84-B6AA-CDDDB3042031@elecraft.com> Message-ID: From Eugene, OR, north of Cannon Beach, I can hear a lot of 6 meter stations, CA, AZ, NV, CO, WY... 73s and thanks, Dave (NK7Z/NNR0DC) https://www.nk7z.net ARRL Technical Specialist On 08/02/2018 10:00 AM, Cameron Francey wrote: > Looks like here in Cannon Beach on the currently wet Oregon coast I can hear a good number of CW beacons on 10m, all from CA. I don?t have 6m (K2 only here) > Put a few calls out on the key and was spotted in Nevada. Will keep an eye out and maybe make another attempt shortly. > > Thanks for the notification. > > > Cameron ? AF7DK > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dave at nk7z.net > From n6tv at arrl.net Thu Aug 2 14:50:14 2018 From: n6tv at arrl.net (Bob Wilson, N6TV) Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2018 11:50:14 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Using N1MM (and others) to Key a KX2 or KX3 with no outboard keyer or CAT commands Message-ID: The S-BOX supports CW/PTT keying over the DTR/RTS pins of a KX3 and KX2 serial port, same as you can do on a K3, but by using standard serial cables and stereo patch cords instead of the KXSER cable. See KX3 Docking Station . 73, Bob, N6TV https://bit.ly/S-BOX On Wed, Aug 1, 2018 at 6:08 PM, Richard Ferch wrote: > With the K3/K3S, but not the KX2 or KX3, there is another simpler method > which does not have any of the drawbacks of the CAT command method and > which does not require all of those CAT1ASC macros in your sent messages. > It is described in the N1MM+ manual at < > http://n1mm.hamdocs.com/tiki-index.php?page=Supported+ > Radios&structure=N1MM+Logger+Documentation#K3_and_K3S>. > Basicallly, you set the K3's CONFIG:PTT-KEY method to OFF-DTR or RTS-DTR > (depending on whether you want PTT as well as CW keying or not), and then > in the N1MM+ Configurer you configure DTR on the radio control port for CW > (and RTS for PTT if you want that as well). > > Unfortunately, this method will not work with the KX2 or KX3 because their > serial port interfaces do not have DTR or RTS connections. For this reason, > the CAT1ASC macro method is used with N1MM+ by many KX2/KX3 owners, despite > its shortcomings in this context. > From k4to.dave at gmail.com Thu Aug 2 16:46:27 2018 From: k4to.dave at gmail.com (Dave Sublette) Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2018 16:46:27 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Noise cancelling headphones Message-ID: So here I am with three hours to wait until my plane boards. I tried a set of Bluetooth Sony noise cancelling headphones. Big mistake. They're great. $300.00 is too much for me. What other models are in use with Elecraft folks? Dave, K4TO From ghyoungman at gmail.com Thu Aug 2 17:02:51 2018 From: ghyoungman at gmail.com (Grant Youngman) Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2018 17:02:51 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Noise cancelling headphones In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Bose is pretty well the leader in electronic noise cancellation. But they are also expensive (even more than Sony). Worth their weight in GOLD on an airplane. (I still use my ancient original model 1.0 Bose when I fly ? yes they?re clunky compared to the latest, and I had to replace the ear pads a couple years ago, but they WORK), and I don?t have to spend another $300-350. Radio?? Maybe .. it?s another battery to worry about if you?re portable, especially. You can always spend $1000 for a Bose aviation headset/mic :-) My main radio headset is an RS60CF .. and that isn?t cheap either, but it doesn?t require a battery ? Grant NQ5T > On Aug 2, 2018, at 4:46 PM, Dave Sublette wrote: > > So here I am with three hours to wait until my plane boards. I tried a set > of Bluetooth Sony noise cancelling headphones. Big mistake. They're > great. > > $300.00 is too much for me. What other models are in use with Elecraft > folks? > > Dave, K4TO > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to ghyoungman at gmail.com From lists at w2irt.net Thu Aug 2 17:26:50 2018 From: lists at w2irt.net (Peter W2IRT) Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2018 17:26:50 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Noise cancelling headphones In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <011f01d42aa7$87332cd0$95998670$@net> You can get a pair of factory-refurbished Bose QC-15s for a reasonable price online. Worth their weight in gold, absolutely. I take them on every flight and I can get peace and quiet even with the inevitable squalling brats all around me. I've also got the RS60CF and wouldn't dream of replacing it, but for travel and using my K3 away from my shack, the QC-15s are the BEST. - pjd -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Grant Youngman Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2018 5:03 PM To: k4to at arrl.net Cc: Elecraft Discussion List Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Noise cancelling headphones Bose is pretty well the leader in electronic noise cancellation. But they are also expensive (even more than Sony). Worth their weight in GOLD on an airplane. (I still use my ancient original model 1.0 Bose when I fly ? yes they?re clunky compared to the latest, and I had to replace the ear pads a couple years ago, but they WORK), and I don?t have to spend another $300-350. Radio?? Maybe .. it?s another battery to worry about if you?re portable, especially. You can always spend $1000 for a Bose aviation headset/mic :-) My main radio headset is an RS60CF .. and that isn?t cheap either, but it doesn?t require a battery ? Grant NQ5T > On Aug 2, 2018, at 4:46 PM, Dave Sublette wrote: > > So here I am with three hours to wait until my plane boards. I tried a set > of Bluetooth Sony noise cancelling headphones. Big mistake. They're > great. > > $300.00 is too much for me. What other models are in use with Elecraft > folks? > > Dave, K4TO > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to ghyoungman at gmail.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to lists at w2irt.net From n6kr at elecraft.com Thu Aug 2 17:56:27 2018 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2018 14:56:27 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Tip for those watching 6 m band openings: channel hopping Message-ID: If you're into 6 meter SSB, you may want to take advantage of the semi-channelezation that occurs in this band segment. While operators generally start at 50.125, they quickly spread up the band in 5 kHz increments when there's a lot of activity, like today. The K3 and K3S can hop among a group of channels (frequency memories) on 6 meters, either manually (by rotating the VFO) or automatically (by starting a scan). The setup procedure is described in the owner's manual. On my K3S I set up 5 frequency memories: 50.125, .130, .135, .140, and .145. In order to use these with channel hopping, they have to be in a group of contiguous memories (I used 50-54), and each one in the group has to have a label with an asterisk (*) in the first character position. You can set these up at the radio itself or using the K3 Frequency Memory Editor. Once the memories are set up, you can start channel-hop scanning as follows: 1. Do M->V (memory recall), selecting memory #50 with VFO, then tap M->V again. VFO A will can now be used to do manual hopping among the channels. 2. Hold SCAN to start scanning among the 5 channels. The receiver will stay muted during the scan until signals are present. 3. Optionally hold SCAN for > 3 seconds, starting a "Live" scan. In this case the receiver remains unmuted and scanning will continue until you tap any switch or rotate the VFO. 73, Wayne N6KR From w4bws1 at gmail.com Thu Aug 2 18:00:30 2018 From: w4bws1 at gmail.com (Don Sanders) Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2018 18:00:30 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] QRP Multimeter Message-ID: For those who are not able to go to Harbor Freight and need a small multimeter at a QRP price. Check this out: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1-Piece-DT-832-Digital-LCD-Voltmeter-Ammeter-Ohm-Tester-Multimeter-Buzzer-Diagnostic-tool-VEH58/32863880413.html?spm=2114.11010108.06001.48.650c649bwFwqVB&gps-id=5347592&scm=1007.13562.105726.0&scm_id=1007.13562.105726.0&scm-url=1007.13562.105726.0&pvid=9e4a87b1-ee27-4dfb-ab6c-ed859a846f77 Dr. Don W4BWS Ham Radio may not make the world go around. Ham Radio just makes the voyage more enjoyable. From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Thu Aug 2 19:17:47 2018 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2018 16:17:47 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] Re: OT: Massive opening on 10 and 6 meters right now... In-Reply-To: <1930517861.1128410.1533227702067@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1930517861.1128410.1533227702067.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1930517861.1128410.1533227702067@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On 8/2/2018 9:35 AM, Richard AG5M via Elecraft wrote: > Got the word, I'm up on 6m, but absolutely nothing being heard up here in south eastern WA. All the action is FT8. I've made close to 20 QSOs today -- FL, GA, MS, LA, TX, OR, AZ, JA. Earlier today, the QSO map showed a lot of the eastern US working EU. K3, KPA500, 4-el Yagi. 73, Jim K9YC From n6kr at elecraft.com Thu Aug 2 20:15:17 2018 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2018 17:15:17 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] Re: OT: Massive opening on 10 and 6 meters right now... In-Reply-To: References: <1930517861.1128410.1533227702067.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1930517861.1128410.1533227702067@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <320DB7B7-D33F-4911-B00C-7213C8DC4DE1@elecraft.com> There's been plenty of action on SSB and CW today. I made multiple contacts on both modes, including a nice 10-minute chat with a station 1,000 miles away. I'm using only a dipole on my end. The beauty of CW and SSB is that you don't need one of those "computer" thingies. Just turn on the rig :) Wayne N6K > On Aug 2, 2018, at 4:17 PM, Jim Brown wrote: > > On 8/2/2018 9:35 AM, Richard AG5M via Elecraft wrote: >> Got the word, I'm up on 6m, but absolutely nothing being heard up here in south eastern WA. > > All the action is FT8. I've made close to 20 QSOs today -- FL, GA, MS, LA, TX, OR, AZ, JA. > Earlier today, the QSO map showed a lot of the eastern US working EU. > > K3, KPA500, 4-el Yagi. > > 73, Jim K9YC From cyaffey at gmail.com Thu Aug 2 20:58:26 2018 From: cyaffey at gmail.com (Carl Yaffey) Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2018 20:58:26 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] Re: OT: Massive opening on 10 and 6 meters right now... In-Reply-To: <320DB7B7-D33F-4911-B00C-7213C8DC4DE1@elecraft.com> References: <1930517861.1128410.1533227702067.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1930517861.1128410.1533227702067@mail.yahoo.com> <320DB7B7-D33F-4911-B00C-7213C8DC4DE1@elecraft.com> Message-ID: Worked my first EA on 6 today! Needed the KPA1500. K8NU in OH > On Aug 2, 2018, at 8:15 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > > There's been plenty of action on SSB and CW today. I made multiple contacts on both modes, including a nice 10-minute chat with a station 1,000 miles away. I'm using only a dipole on my end. > > The beauty of CW and SSB is that you don't need one of those "computer" thingies. Just turn on the rig :) > > Wayne > N6K > Carl Yaffey K8NU Recording studio. cyaffeyNO_SPAM at gmail.com 614 268 6353, Columbus OH http://www.carl-yaffey.com http://www.grassahol.com http://www.bluesswing.com From n3eta at coastside.net Thu Aug 2 21:29:07 2018 From: n3eta at coastside.net (Ron Genovesi) Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2018 18:29:07 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] Re: OT: Massive opening on 10 and 6 meters right now... In-Reply-To: <320DB7B7-D33F-4911-B00C-7213C8DC4DE1@elecraft.com> References: <1930517861.1128410.1533227702067.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1930517861.1128410.1533227702067@mail.yahoo.com> <320DB7B7-D33F-4911-B00C-7213C8DC4DE1@elecraft.com> Message-ID: Hmmm......Let me see if I understand this concept Wayne. Your talking just an Antenna, a radio and a mic or key.... I don?t know man......you might sell that to us old timers but... I?m not sure how that?s gonna go over with the younger crowd.... better run it up the old flag pole and see how many salute. :) Ron Genovesi N3ETA Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 2, 2018, at 5:15 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > > There's been plenty of action on SSB and CW today. I made multiple contacts on both modes, including a nice 10-minute chat with a station 1,000 miles away. I'm using only a dipole on my end. > > The beauty of CW and SSB is that you don't need one of those "computer" thingies. Just turn on the rig :) > > Wayne > N6K > > >> On Aug 2, 2018, at 4:17 PM, Jim Brown wrote: >> >> On 8/2/2018 9:35 AM, Richard AG5M via Elecraft wrote: >>> Got the word, I'm up on 6m, but absolutely nothing being heard up here in south eastern WA. >> >> All the action is FT8. I've made close to 20 QSOs today -- FL, GA, MS, LA, TX, OR, AZ, JA. >> Earlier today, the QSO map showed a lot of the eastern US working EU. >> >> K3, KPA500, 4-el Yagi. >> >> 73, Jim K9YC > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n3eta at coastside.net From n6kr at elecraft.com Thu Aug 2 21:39:56 2018 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2018 18:39:56 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Massive opening on 10 and 6 meters right now... In-Reply-To: References: <1930517861.1128410.1533227702067.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1930517861.1128410.1533227702067@mail.yahoo.com> <320DB7B7-D33F-4911-B00C-7213C8DC4DE1@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <27C131D0-60DE-4E25-B6C1-0BE24B39E984@elecraft.com> Ron Genovesi wrote: > > Hmmm......Let me see if I understand this concept Wayne. Your talking just an Antenna, a radio and a mic or key.... I don?t know man......you might sell that to us old timers but... I?m not sure how that?s gonna go over with the younger crowd.... better run it up the old flag pole and see how many salute. :) To get millennials, we'll need someone to turn it into a video game...a first-person shooter, maybe with Red Bull as the sponsor. PTT = Pull The Trigger. QSK = quick shot kill. You get the idea. Wayne From n3eta at coastside.net Thu Aug 2 22:09:06 2018 From: n3eta at coastside.net (Ron Genovesi) Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2018 19:09:06 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Massive opening on 10 and 6 meters right now... In-Reply-To: <27C131D0-60DE-4E25-B6C1-0BE24B39E984@elecraft.com> References: <1930517861.1128410.1533227702067.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1930517861.1128410.1533227702067@mail.yahoo.com> <320DB7B7-D33F-4911-B00C-7213C8DC4DE1@elecraft.com> <27C131D0-60DE-4E25-B6C1-0BE24B39E984@elecraft.com> Message-ID: Ohhh?now your on to something! A game controller interface for the K3S. That?ll bring em in?..hey while your at it, could you do up a joystick interface for my P3? I?m on the older side better make it for one of the old Atari joysticks ;) > On Aug 2, 2018, at 6:39 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > > Ron Genovesi wrote: >> >> Hmmm......Let me see if I understand this concept Wayne. Your talking just an Antenna, a radio and a mic or key.... I don?t know man......you might sell that to us old timers but... I?m not sure how that?s gonna go over with the younger crowd.... better run it up the old flag pole and see how many salute. :) > > To get millennials, we'll need someone to turn it into a video game...a first-person shooter, maybe with Red Bull as the sponsor. PTT = Pull The Trigger. QSK = quick shot kill. You get the idea. > > Wayne > From k6dgw at foothill.net Thu Aug 2 22:15:50 2018 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2018 19:15:50 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Massive opening on 10 and 6 meters right now... In-Reply-To: <27C131D0-60DE-4E25-B6C1-0BE24B39E984@elecraft.com> References: <1930517861.1128410.1533227702067.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1930517861.1128410.1533227702067@mail.yahoo.com> <320DB7B7-D33F-4911-B00C-7213C8DC4DE1@elecraft.com> <27C131D0-60DE-4E25-B6C1-0BE24B39E984@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <9cfacb19-082f-bea6-99b0-20e853831162@foothill.net> A number of years ago my youngest grandson, 15 then and not a gamer, came in and asked, "Whatcha doin Grandpa." I took the headphones off and said, "I'm in a contest."? He said, "Sounds like fun ... how do you win?"? I'm not sure things have changed that much. 73, Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW Sparks NV DM09dn Washoe County On 8/2/2018 6:39 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > Ron Genovesi wrote: >> Hmmm......Let me see if I understand this concept Wayne. Your talking just an Antenna, a radio and a mic or key.... I don?t know man......you might sell that to us old timers but... I?m not sure how that?s gonna go over with the younger crowd.... better run it up the old flag pole and see how many salute. :) > To get millennials, we'll need someone to turn it into a video game...a first-person shooter, maybe with Red Bull as the sponsor. PTT = Pull The Trigger. QSK = quick shot kill. You get the idea. > > Wayne > From wes_n7ws at triconet.org Thu Aug 2 22:57:45 2018 From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes Stewart) Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2018 19:57:45 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] Re: OT: Massive opening on 10 and 6 meters right now... In-Reply-To: References: <1930517861.1128410.1533227702067.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1930517861.1128410.1533227702067@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <06dc4c61-e1a0-0db7-b92a-24b03eefb27e@triconet.org> Really?? I heard lots of stations on SSB around 1700Z even with my old deaf K3 and a triband beam. Only tried to worked one station in CO but heard TX, ID, CA, WA. Wes? N7WS On 8/2/2018 4:17 PM, Jim Brown wrote: > > All the action is FT8. I've made close to 20 QSOs today -- FL, GA, MS, LA, TX, > OR, AZ, JA. > Earlier today, the QSO map showed a lot of the eastern US working EU. > > K3, KPA500, 4-el Yagi. From k9ma at sdellington.us Thu Aug 2 23:47:56 2018 From: k9ma at sdellington.us (K9MA) Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2018 22:47:56 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Noise cancelling headphones In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9af07de7-796e-b9f9-3cae-7fae234331b1@sdellington.us> I spent years, lots of effort, and lots of money trying to mitigate amplifier fan noise. Many kinds of noise cancelling headphones failed, including one aircraft type. I even tried putting an early NC headset inside of a pair of earmuff type ear protectors.? I built a cabinet to enclose the amplifiers, but IT's fan was noisier than the amplifiers. Finally bought a passive Radiosport headset. By far the best, though I still think putting the KPA1500 in the other room would be better. As soon as the remote software is available. 73, Scott K9MA On 8/2/2018 15:46, Dave Sublette wrote: > So here I am with three hours to wait until my plane boards. I tried a set > of Bluetooth Sony noise cancelling headphones. Big mistake. They're > great. > > $300.00 is too much for me. What other models are in use with Elecraft > folks? > > Dave, K4TO > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k9ma at sdellington.us -- Scott K9MA k9ma at sdellington.us From Gary at ka1j.com Fri Aug 3 01:05:38 2018 From: Gary at ka1j.com (Gary Smith) Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2018 01:05:38 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Noise cancelling headphones In-Reply-To: <011f01d42aa7$87332cd0$95998670$@net> References: , , <011f01d42aa7$87332cd0$95998670$@net> Message-ID: <5B63E2A2.9904.F1C5BED@Gary.ka1j.com> I've never tried the RS60CF but I can say the Bose QC15 are the only headphones I choose to use in a long contest. I have a pair of Heil Headsets my father owned and wearing them for an hour is uncomfortable. The QC-15? I wear them day and night without discomfort. 73, Gary KA1J > You can get a pair of factory-refurbished Bose QC-15s for a reasonable > price online. Worth their weight in gold, absolutely. I take them on > every flight and I can get peace and quiet even with the inevitable > squalling brats all around me. > > I've also got the RS60CF and wouldn't dream of replacing it, but for > travel and using my K3 away from my shack, the QC-15s are the BEST. > > - pjd > > > -----Original Message----- > From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net > [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Grant Youngman > Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2018 5:03 PM To: k4to at arrl.net Cc: Elecraft > Discussion List Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Noise cancelling headphones > > Bose is pretty well the leader in electronic noise cancellation. But > they are also expensive (even more than Sony). > > Worth their weight in GOLD on an airplane. (I still use my ancient > original model 1.0 Bose when I fly - yes they?re clunky compared > to the latest, and I had to replace the ear pads a couple years ago, > but they WORK), and I don?t have to spend another $300-350. Radio?? > Maybe .. it?s another battery to worry about if you?re portable, > especially. You can always spend $1000 for a Bose aviation > headset/mic :-) > > My main radio headset is an RS60CF .. and that isn?t cheap either, > but it doesn?t require a battery ... > > Grant NQ5T > > > > > On Aug 2, 2018, at 4:46 PM, Dave Sublette > > wrote: > > > > So here I am with three hours to wait until my plane boards. I > > tried a set of Bluetooth Sony noise cancelling headphones. Big > > mistake. They're great. > > > > $300.00 is too much for me. What other models are in use with > > Elecraft folks? > > > > Dave, K4TO From Gary at ka1j.com Fri Aug 3 01:08:31 2018 From: Gary at ka1j.com (Gary Smith) Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2018 01:08:31 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Massive opening on 10 and 6 meters right now... In-Reply-To: References: <1930517861.1128410.1533227702067.ref@mail.yahoo.com>, <27C131D0-60DE-4E25-B6C1-0BE24B39E984@elecraft.com>, Message-ID: <5B63E34F.11471.F1EFCC7@Gary.ka1j.com> I have a game controller for a Commodore 64, does that count? Gary, KA1J > Ohhh...now your on to something! A game controller interface for > the K3S. That?ll bring em in.....hey while your at it, could you > do up a joystick interface for my P3? I?m on the older side > better make it for one of the old Atari joysticks ;) > > > > On Aug 2, 2018, at 6:39 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > > > > Ron Genovesi wrote: > >> > >> Hmmm......Let me see if I understand this concept Wayne. Your > >> talking just an Antenna, a radio and a mic or key.... I don?t > >> know man......you might sell that to us old timers but... I?m > >> not sure how that?s gonna go over with the younger crowd.... > >> better run it up the old flag pole and see how many salute. :) > > > > To get millennials, we'll need someone to turn it into a video > > game...a first-person shooter, maybe with Red Bull as the sponsor. > > PTT = Pull The Trigger. QSK = quick shot kill. You get the idea. > > > > Wayne > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to gary at ka1j.com From ok1rk at seznam.cz Fri Aug 3 06:34:57 2018 From: ok1rk at seznam.cz (ok1rk at seznam.cz) Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2018 12:34:57 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Elecraft] WTB KAT3 Message-ID: Hi folks!looking for used but 100% working KAT3 ATU for my old K3/100Does anybody already upgraded?with KAT3A and no more need an old stuff?TNX for your offers with shipping to OKMoney thru PayPal73 David OK1RK? From w2up at comcast.net Fri Aug 3 07:54:39 2018 From: w2up at comcast.net (Barry) Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2018 04:54:39 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Noise cancelling headphones In-Reply-To: <5B63E2A2.9904.F1C5BED@Gary.ka1j.com> References: <011f01d42aa7$87332cd0$95998670$@net> <5B63E2A2.9904.F1C5BED@Gary.ka1j.com> Message-ID: <1533297279239-0.post@n2.nabble.com> I just got off 12 hours of airplanes yesterday and used these: https://www.amazon.com/Audio-Technica-ATH-ANC23-QuietPoint-Noise-Cancelling-Headphones/dp/B004K09H32/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1533297057&sr=8-3&keywords=ath+anc23 I've had them for a year or two and they work well on steady noise like airplane engine. They don't block voices to any significant degree. And they're very comfortable. I find them to be a great compromise between performance and price, compared to Bose. Barry W2UP -- Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ From bob at hogbytes.com Fri Aug 3 08:52:47 2018 From: bob at hogbytes.com (Bob N3MNT) Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2018 05:52:47 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Noise cancelling headphones In-Reply-To: <1533297279239-0.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <011f01d42aa7$87332cd0$95998670$@net> <5B63E2A2.9904.F1C5BED@Gary.ka1j.com> <1533297279239-0.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1533300767801-0.post@n2.nabble.com> Be sure to check them on your rig before buying them. in many cases Bluetooth introduces too much delay to use for CW work unless very slow speed. -- Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ From radio.ku8l at gmail.com Fri Aug 3 09:02:17 2018 From: radio.ku8l at gmail.com (Curt Nixon) Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2018 09:02:17 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] WTB KAT100 In-Reply-To: <1533300767801-0.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <011f01d42aa7$87332cd0$95998670$@net> <5B63E2A2.9904.F1C5BED@Gary.ka1j.com> <1533297279239-0.post@n2.nabble.com> <1533300767801-0.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <13b44b21-2393-142a-13e6-3de3b08cd11c@gmail.com> GM List: Still looking for a KAT100.? Prefer an 100-2 in the larger case but a 100-1 is OK also. Thanks Curt KU8L From donwilh at embarqmail.com Fri Aug 3 09:20:01 2018 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2018 09:20:01 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Noise cancelling headphones In-Reply-To: <1533297279239-0.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <011f01d42aa7$87332cd0$95998670$@net> <5B63E2A2.9904.F1C5BED@Gary.ka1j.com> <1533297279239-0.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <7d95db91-fb20-1791-049d-839cb3ea27f0@embarqmail.com> Those of us who wear hearing aids have an advantage. I just turn mine off when the plane is in the air. It works well for me, like 60dB reduction in my right ear, so I choose to sit on the right side of the aisle if I can. 73, Don W3FPR On 8/3/2018 7:54 AM, Barry wrote: > I just got off 12 hours of airplanes yesterday and used these: > https://www.amazon.com/Audio-Technica-ATH-ANC23-QuietPoint-Noise-Cancelling-Headphones/dp/B004K09H32/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1533297057&sr=8-3&keywords=ath+anc23 > > I've had them for a year or two and they work well on steady noise like > airplane engine. They don't block voices to any significant degree. And > they're very comfortable. I find them to be a great compromise between > performance and price, compared to Bose. > From rich at wc3t.us Fri Aug 3 09:29:31 2018 From: rich at wc3t.us (rich hurd WC3T) Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2018 09:29:31 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Noise cancelling headphones In-Reply-To: <1533300767801-0.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <011f01d42aa7$87332cd0$95998670$@net> <5B63E2A2.9904.F1C5BED@Gary.ka1j.com> <1533297279239-0.post@n2.nabble.com> <1533300767801-0.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: Heck, I get latency between the moving mouths and the words they are saying on YouTube vids that I watch using Bluetooth headsets. For the rig work I'll put up with the privation of using wires. :) On Fri, Aug 3, 2018 at 08:52 Bob N3MNT wrote: > Be sure to check them on your rig before buying them. in many cases > Bluetooth introduces too much delay to use for CW work unless very slow > speed. > > > > -- > Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to rich at wc3t.us > -- 72, Rich Hurd / WC3T / DMR: 3142737 Northampton County RACES, EPA-ARRL Public Information Officer for Scouting Latitude: 40.761621 Longitude: -75.288988 (40?45.68' N 75?17.33' W) Grid: *FN20is* From indians at xsmail.com Fri Aug 3 09:43:32 2018 From: indians at xsmail.com (Petr, OK1RP/M0SIS) Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2018 06:43:32 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] [WTB] KAT1 for K1 is needed... In-Reply-To: References: <1532988702508-0.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1533303812836-0.post@n2.nabble.com> Hi all, got K1BKLTKIT kit for Jakub. Unfortunately still looking for KAT1... ----- 73 - Petr, OK1RP "Apple & Elecraft freak" B:http://ok1rp.blogspot.com G+:http://goo.gl/w3u2s9 G+: http://goo.gl/gP99xq -- Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ From frantz at pwpconsult.com Fri Aug 3 09:58:09 2018 From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz) Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2018 06:58:09 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Noise cancelling headphones In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I use a set of Sennheiser noise canceling phones, mainly for ARES/RACES works when providing communication for parades. Combined with a noise canceling speaker/mic that has a jack for the phones they provide enough isolation from the marching bands to make communication possible. They are also useful for quieting airplanes, but since I once fell asleep at a Jefferson Airplane concert, I really don't have a problem putting up with noisy environments. 73 Bill AE6JV ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz | If the site is supported by | Periwinkle (408)356-8506 | ads, you are the product. | 16345 Englewood Ave www.pwpconsult.com | | Los Gatos, CA 95032 From ve3uvt at gmail.com Fri Aug 3 10:16:31 2018 From: ve3uvt at gmail.com (Chris) Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2018 10:16:31 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Noise cancelling headphones In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Is it Sony WH-1000XM2? I have one and love it. It is pricey but you get what you pay for. I tried both Bose and Sony, and chose Sony because it seems better with noise cancelling. When I fly alone for business, I use it with low volume music from my iphone, and I barely hear the engine noise. When I fly with my family, I don't get that luxury. LOL I also use it as ear mufflers when I use my lawnmower. I can listen to music or podcast with very low engine noise from the mower. This is great. I wire it when I use for radios. DE Chris AD1AD On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 4:46 PM, Dave Sublette wrote: > So here I am with three hours to wait until my plane boards. I tried a set > of Bluetooth Sony noise cancelling headphones. Big mistake. They're > great. > > $300.00 is too much for me. What other models are in use with Elecraft > folks? > > Dave, K4TO > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to ve3uvt at gmail.com > From don_roberts2000 at yahoo.com Fri Aug 3 17:32:57 2018 From: don_roberts2000 at yahoo.com (Don Roberts) Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2018 21:32:57 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] Massive opening on 10 and 6 References: <1240639371.2109789.1533331977851.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1240639371.2109789.1533331977851@mail.yahoo.com> Wayne, thank you for the reminder about adding memories on 6 meters. After reading your note I added 50.130, 50.135, 50.140 and 50.145 per your suggestion. This morning, after a sked on 20 I checked the calling freq on 6 and heard nothing. Then I hit scan and to my surprise there were QSOs on 3 of the 4. Soon I had new grid squares from PA, VT, and Ontario from my EL97 here in south central Florida. Thanks Wayne... 73, DonW4CBS? Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android From Gary at ka1j.com Fri Aug 3 21:09:08 2018 From: Gary at ka1j.com (Gary Smith) Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2018 21:09:08 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] WTB: CNC73 weighted knobs with bearing dimple for K3 Message-ID: <5B64FCB4.29614.136A276F@Gary.ka1j.com> I'm looking for black powder coat pre-owned CNC73 weighted VFO A & B knobs with bearing dimple for VFO A. Please contact me off-list. Thanks & 73, Gary KA1J From donwilh at embarqmail.com Fri Aug 3 22:18:07 2018 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2018 22:18:07 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] WTB: CNC73 weighted knobs with bearing dimple for K3 In-Reply-To: <5B64FCB4.29614.136A276F@Gary.ka1j.com> References: <5B64FCB4.29614.136A276F@Gary.ka1j.com> Message-ID: <14917e31-fa10-8820-332a-ea3ea22f46d0@embarqmail.com> Gary, Shaft diameter please. The older encoder had a shaft diameter of 6mm while the new encoder has a shaft diameter of 1/4 inch. Which one are you looking for? If you have doubts, remove the knob and look at the threaded portion of the encoder. If it is green, it is the old 6mm shaft. If it is nickel plated, it is the new encoder. 73, Don W3FPR On 8/3/2018 9:09 PM, Gary Smith wrote: > I'm looking for black powder coat > pre-owned CNC73 weighted VFO A & B knobs > with bearing dimple for VFO A. From k9ma at sdellington.us Fri Aug 3 22:26:57 2018 From: k9ma at sdellington.us (K9MA) Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2018 21:26:57 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 ATU Replacement Message-ID: <4d9e8f93-8433-1630-1195-e138e23e8c65@sdellington.us> Just did the ATU replacement on SN 0178. It seems to solve the problems of half the display going blank on 10 meters, and the SWR indicators flashing on 40. The procedure is quite straight-forward, mainly involving removing and replacing a large number of little screws. It took about an hour.? It was certainly a lot less trouble, not to mention expense, than shipping the amp to Elecraft. And it was an opportunity to get a look at the fine workmanship inside the amplifier. Thanks to Elecraft for quickly shipping the replacement board, with prepaid return shipping. 73, Scott K9MA -- Scott K9MA k9ma at sdellington.us From k2av.guy at gmail.com Sat Aug 4 00:11:22 2018 From: k2av.guy at gmail.com (Guy Olinger K2AV) Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2018 00:11:22 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Noise cancelling headphones In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: This thread seems to be read by some who are familiar with headsets, but I?m asking a slightly different question... A) I am looking for a headset/mike combination, with *all* the following. 1) over-the-ear dual headset 2) noise-cancelling headset 3) active noise-cancelling boom microphone 4) wireless, either bluetooth or wireless to USB dongle, bluetooth preferred, wireless is *required*. I have tried endless hours of searching, dozens and dozens of different search parms but cannot get Google, eBay or Amazon to make a list with all the required conditions. Something always gets ignored. I know that a Bose A20 aircraft headset can be modified using the battery and Bluetooth parts only of the plug/cordset. That?s modifying a 1K$ headset. There used to be an ?HP8000? that seemed to fit the bill, but only sold in EU and Asia. That also was called QD834. It apparently not made now and stock gone. Looking for an answer from someone that knows a manufacturer that makes a model that matches A) 1-4) above. Thank you, thank you, thank you if you know the answer. 73, Guy K2AV On Fri, Aug 3, 2018 at 10:16 AM, Chris wrote: > Is it Sony WH-1000XM2? I have one and love it. It is pricey but you get > what you pay for. I tried both Bose and Sony, and chose Sony because it > seems better with noise cancelling. When I fly alone for business, I use > it with low volume music from my iphone, and I barely hear the engine > noise. When I fly with my family, I don't get that luxury. LOL > > I also use it as ear mufflers when I use my lawnmower. I can listen to > music or podcast with very low engine noise from the mower. This is > great. I wire it when I use for radios. > > DE Chris AD1AD > > On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 4:46 PM, Dave Sublette wrote: > > > So here I am with three hours to wait until my plane boards. I tried a > set > > of Bluetooth Sony noise cancelling headphones. Big mistake. They're > > great. > > > > $300.00 is too much for me. What other models are in use with Elecraft > > folks? > > > > Dave, K4TO > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to ve3uvt at gmail.com > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k2av.guy at gmail.com > -- Sent via Gmail Mobile on my iPhone From marklgoldberg at gmail.com Sat Aug 4 00:25:09 2018 From: marklgoldberg at gmail.com (Mark Goldberg) Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2018 21:25:09 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Noise cancelling headphones In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Amazon shows the HP8000 available from third party sellers at wildly varying prices. Sometimes they are bad or fake unfortunately. They claim new, but don't have enough info listed to tell if it meets your criteria. As far as I know, aviation headsets will not have wireless for the main headset or microphone as it is not reliable enough to be certifiable. They will have auxiliary bluetooth inputs for entertainment. I do not know anything that meets your criteria. Good luck in your search, Mark W7MLG On Fri, Aug 3, 2018 at 9:11 PM, Guy Olinger K2AV wrote: > This thread seems to be read by some who are familiar with headsets, but > I?m asking a slightly different question... > > A) I am looking for a headset/mike combination, with *all* the following. > > 1) over-the-ear dual headset > 2) noise-cancelling headset > 3) active noise-cancelling boom microphone > 4) wireless, either bluetooth or wireless to USB dongle, bluetooth > preferred, wireless is *required*. > > I have tried endless hours of searching, dozens and dozens of different > search parms but cannot get Google, eBay or Amazon to make a list with all > the required conditions. Something always gets ignored. > > I know that a Bose A20 aircraft headset can be modified using the battery > and Bluetooth parts only of the plug/cordset. That?s modifying a 1K$ > headset. > > There used to be an ?HP8000? that seemed to fit the bill, but only sold in > EU and Asia. That also was called QD834. It apparently not made now and > stock gone. > > Looking for an answer from someone that knows a manufacturer that makes a > model that matches A) 1-4) above. > > Thank you, thank you, thank you if you know the answer. > > 73, Guy K2AV > > > On Fri, Aug 3, 2018 at 10:16 AM, Chris wrote: > > > Is it Sony WH-1000XM2? I have one and love it. It is pricey but you get > > what you pay for. I tried both Bose and Sony, and chose Sony because it > > seems better with noise cancelling. When I fly alone for business, I use > > it with low volume music from my iphone, and I barely hear the engine > > noise. When I fly with my family, I don't get that luxury. LOL > > > > I also use it as ear mufflers when I use my lawnmower. I can listen to > > music or podcast with very low engine noise from the mower. This is > > great. I wire it when I use for radios. > > > > DE Chris AD1AD > > > > On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 4:46 PM, Dave Sublette > wrote: > > > > > So here I am with three hours to wait until my plane boards. I tried a > > set > > > of Bluetooth Sony noise cancelling headphones. Big mistake. They're > > > great. > > > > > > $300.00 is too much for me. What other models are in use with > Elecraft > > > folks? > > > > > > Dave, K4TO > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > > Elecraft mailing list > > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > > Message delivered to ve3uvt at gmail.com > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to k2av.guy at gmail.com > > > > -- > Sent via Gmail Mobile on my iPhone > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to marklgoldberg at gmail.com > From troutcm at gmail.com Sat Aug 4 07:48:15 2018 From: troutcm at gmail.com (Lee Trout) Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2018 07:48:15 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 meter indication problem Message-ID: I am having an intermittent problem where, on CW transmit, neither the SWR display nor the RF (power out) display will show any bars. The actual power out is normal so this is a display problem only. I reloaded the firmware and did a re-initialization with no help. The K3 is almost ten years old (1737), so I'm suspecting a possible dirty connector? Or what? Any ideas on what to check next appreciated! Thanks, Lee From flesnick at tbaytel.net Sat Aug 4 08:10:14 2018 From: flesnick at tbaytel.net (Fred VE3FAL) Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2018 08:10:14 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K1 4 bander issue Message-ID: I just acquired a K1 4 bander from a ham in Ottawa. It has 40,30,20 and 15 meters in it. All bands operate and function as they should except for 30 meters. Have done some searches on this possible issue but nothing solid as of yet. Anyone have a starting point where I might look to see or find the issue. Cheers Fred VE3FAL Sent from my iPhone Fred VE3FAL/CIW649 From donwilh at embarqmail.com Sat Aug 4 09:13:17 2018 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2018 09:13:17 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K1 4 bander issue In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9186828e-b7b6-865a-efa3-6e84e764fc07@embarqmail.com> Fred, If 40 meters works, then 30 should also. They share the same low pass filter and the inductors of the bandpass filter and Pre-Mixer bandpass filter. One possibility is that the crystal for 30 meters has gone bad. You can check for that with an oscilloscope or RF Probe at P1 pin 4. You should have at least 200mV peak to peak - which is 70mV RMS as seen on the RF probe. If you have oscillation at P1 pin 4, then the most common cause is that 30 meters has not been properly aligned. Initially set C5, C6, CE and CF to their mid-point then feed a strong signal into the antenna jack with the K1 tuned to the frequency of the signal - you may have to hunt around that frequency for the signal. Then adjust the 30 meter trimmer capacitors to peak that signal. After peaking in receive, set the OUT parameter to 1.5 watts and peak those same trimmers on transmit. If the power goes over 4 watts, stop and reset OUT and then continue. Once you have peaked 30 meters, you will have to peak the filters on 40 meters. 73, Don W3FPR On 8/4/2018 8:10 AM, Fred VE3FAL wrote: > I just acquired a K1 4 bander from a ham in Ottawa. It has 40,30,20 and 15 meters in it. All bands operate and function as they should except for 30 meters. Have done some searches on this possible issue but nothing solid as of yet. Anyone have a starting point where I might look to see or find the issue. From donwilh at embarqmail.com Sat Aug 4 09:16:52 2018 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2018 09:16:52 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 meter indication problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Lee, Have you checked that K3 to see if it has the gold pins. Remove the Front Panel assembly to check. If it has tin plated pins, often just removing the front panel and putting it back will clean enough oxidation off the pins to correct the problem, but if it has tin pins, get thee gold ones from Elecraft. 73, Don W3FPR On 8/4/2018 7:48 AM, Lee Trout wrote: > I am having an intermittent problem where, on CW transmit, neither the SWR > display nor the RF (power out) display will show any bars. The actual > power out is normal so this is a display problem only. I reloaded the > firmware and did a re-initialization with no help. > > The K3 is almost ten years old (1737), so I'm suspecting a possible dirty > connector? Or what? From lists at w2irt.net Sat Aug 4 09:26:31 2018 From: lists at w2irt.net (Peter W2IRT) Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2018 09:26:31 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Noise cancelling headphones In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <014901d42bf6$c2ce82d0$486b8870$@net> The first three are easy. The fourth....not so much. If you're willing to forego wireless you might still be able to find the UFlyMic add-on for the QC-15 headset. They stopped making them for amateur radio applications a while back, unfortunately. I've never seen a Bluetooth ANR over-the-ear headset. - pjd -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Guy Olinger K2AV Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2018 12:11 AM To: Chris Cc: Elecraft Discussion List Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Noise cancelling headphones This thread seems to be read by some who are familiar with headsets, but I?m asking a slightly different question... A) I am looking for a headset/mike combination, with *all* the following. 1) over-the-ear dual headset 2) noise-cancelling headset 3) active noise-cancelling boom microphone 4) wireless, either bluetooth or wireless to USB dongle, bluetooth preferred, wireless is *required*. I have tried endless hours of searching, dozens and dozens of different search parms but cannot get Google, eBay or Amazon to make a list with all the required conditions. Something always gets ignored. I know that a Bose A20 aircraft headset can be modified using the battery and Bluetooth parts only of the plug/cordset. That?s modifying a 1K$ headset. There used to be an ?HP8000? that seemed to fit the bill, but only sold in EU and Asia. That also was called QD834. It apparently not made now and stock gone. Looking for an answer from someone that knows a manufacturer that makes a model that matches A) 1-4) above. Thank you, thank you, thank you if you know the answer. 73, Guy K2AV On Fri, Aug 3, 2018 at 10:16 AM, Chris wrote: > Is it Sony WH-1000XM2? I have one and love it. It is pricey but you get > what you pay for. I tried both Bose and Sony, and chose Sony because it > seems better with noise cancelling. When I fly alone for business, I use > it with low volume music from my iphone, and I barely hear the engine > noise. When I fly with my family, I don't get that luxury. LOL > > I also use it as ear mufflers when I use my lawnmower. I can listen to > music or podcast with very low engine noise from the mower. This is > great. I wire it when I use for radios. > > DE Chris AD1AD > > On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 4:46 PM, Dave Sublette wrote: > > > So here I am with three hours to wait until my plane boards. I tried a > set > > of Bluetooth Sony noise cancelling headphones. Big mistake. They're > > great. > > > > $300.00 is too much for me. What other models are in use with Elecraft > > folks? > > > > Dave, K4TO > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to ve3uvt at gmail.com > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k2av.guy at gmail.com > -- Sent via Gmail Mobile on my iPhone ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to lists at w2irt.net From Gary at ka1j.com Sat Aug 4 10:09:07 2018 From: Gary at ka1j.com (Gary Smith) Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2018 10:09:07 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Noise cancelling headphones In-Reply-To: <014901d42bf6$c2ce82d0$486b8870$@net> References: , , <014901d42bf6$c2ce82d0$486b8870$@net> Message-ID: <5B65B383.32117.16343672@Gary.ka1j.com> I feel impelled to comment here. I use the Bose QC-15 and since the model is out of production, they are quite cheap on fleabay. 1. If they are out of warranty, broken and say the serial is removed, $100 to Bose repair (keep your old cable) & your old set will get you a refurbished pair. I understand they will upgrade you if the repair item is no longer available. 2. Headset Buddy by Clear mic provides a perfect fitting boom mic for the QC-15 & also for the older Bose model (same fit) The microphone is excellent in audio quality albeit the cord is with a smaller diameter than the original from Bose. I have several sets of these for the long haul. Caveat, maybe... To the bad, with Headset Buddy version 1 which is all I have used; the phones are reversed in stereo, L is heard on the R & vice versa. HOWEVER... I just went to their old page for it and it says that version is discontinued for $19. and there is now a new and improved version and they say they listened to customers reviews & suggestions. Perhaps the L/R issue is now resolved. The new price is $29. The old ones were worth every penny, I'm sure these are even better. https://www.headsetbuddy.com/clearmic-plus -2-noise-cancelling-boom-microphone-for-bo se-qc15/ 73, Gary KA1J > The first three are easy. The fourth....not so much. If you're willing > to forego wireless you might still be able to find the UFlyMic add-on > for the QC-15 headset. They stopped making them for amateur radio > applications a while back, unfortunately. > > I've never seen a Bluetooth ANR over-the-ear headset. > > - pjd > > > -----Original Message----- > From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net > [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Guy Olinger > K2AV Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2018 12:11 AM To: Chris Cc: Elecraft > Discussion List Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Noise cancelling headphones > > This thread seems to be read by some who are familiar with headsets, > but > I?m asking a slightly different question... > > A) I am looking for a headset/mike combination, with *all* the > following. > > 1) over-the-ear dual headset > 2) noise-cancelling headset > 3) active noise-cancelling boom microphone > 4) wireless, either bluetooth or wireless to USB dongle, bluetooth > preferred, wireless is *required*. > > I have tried endless hours of searching, dozens and dozens of > different search parms but cannot get Google, eBay or Amazon to make a > list with all the required conditions. Something always gets ignored. > > I know that a Bose A20 aircraft headset can be modified using the > battery and Bluetooth parts only of the plug/cordset. That?s > modifying a 1K$ headset. > > There used to be an "HP8000" that seemed to fit the bill, but only > sold in EU and Asia. That also was called QD834. It apparently not > made now and stock gone. > > Looking for an answer from someone that knows a manufacturer that > makes a model that matches A) 1-4) above. > > Thank you, thank you, thank you if you know the answer. > > 73, Guy K2AV > > > On Fri, Aug 3, 2018 at 10:16 AM, Chris wrote: > > > Is it Sony WH-1000XM2? I have one and love it. It is pricey but > > you get what you pay for. I tried both Bose and Sony, and chose > > Sony because it seems better with noise cancelling. When I fly > > alone for business, I use it with low volume music from my iphone, > > and I barely hear the engine noise. When I fly with my family, I > > don't get that luxury. LOL > > > > I also use it as ear mufflers when I use my lawnmower. I can listen > > to music or podcast with very low engine noise from the mower. This > > is great. I wire it when I use for radios. > > > > DE Chris AD1AD > > > > On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 4:46 PM, Dave Sublette > > wrote: > > > > > So here I am with three hours to wait until my plane boards. I > > > tried a > > set > > > of Bluetooth Sony noise cancelling headphones. Big mistake. > > > They're great. > > > > > > $300.00 is too much for me. What other models are in use with > > > Elecraft > > > folks? > > > > > > Dave, K4TO From ed.n5dg at gmail.com Sat Aug 4 13:01:35 2018 From: ed.n5dg at gmail.com (Ed Stallman) Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2018 12:01:35 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] FS One Elecraft K3-100 Message-ID: <3138b78f-5e48-3159-d292-ecac0e630b44@gmail.com> I have an Elecraft K3-100 SN 66XX For Sell , I assembled this kit in 2012 . It all went together very well and has never been to Elecraft for any repair ! I compared performance with my Factory assembled 2009 K3 SN 3XXX and they are equal ! K3-100 with the KXV3A , IF out and Xverter interface board . SSB filter is the standard 2.7 Khz ...One CW filter 400Hz 8 pole , latest FW installed, Factory shipping box , Manual and power cord . No scuffs, scratches, smoke,dings or dents.? I well sell and ship to the 48 states USPS $1625.00 ... You pay for insurance If you prefer the factory assembled K3-100 SN 3XXX, you can choose , I'll keep the other. I sent this radio to Elecraft to have the 4 small knobs replaced in 2015 ! K3 100 with KXV3B , this is the newer IF out Xverter board with preamp 2 for 12.10 and 6m !? SSb filter is 2.8 Khz 8 pole ! CW filters are 400 HZ and 200 Hz 8 pole ! Latest FW installed . Factory shipping box , Manual and power cord . No scuffs, scratches, smoke,dings or dents.? I well sell and ship to the 48 states USPS $ 1825.00 . You pay for insurance. Please reply direct and please remove [Elecraft] from the Subject line so it will come to my inbox Thanks Ed N5DG From w0rsr99 at gmail.com Sat Aug 4 13:24:54 2018 From: w0rsr99 at gmail.com (Mike Baird) Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2018 10:24:54 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KAT100 issue Message-ID: An issue has arisen with my KAT100. The tuner works fine but the LEDs for the SWR do not light. The PWR and Antenna LEDs are OK. Can someone recommend a solution? Thanks, MIke, W0RSR From no9e at arrl.net Sat Aug 4 14:49:39 2018 From: no9e at arrl.net (Ignacy) Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2018 11:49:39 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Trade KX2 for KX3 In-Reply-To: <20180801034538.E34AC149B0E4@mailman.qth.net> References: <20180801034538.E34AC149B0E4@mailman.qth.net> Message-ID: <1533408579779-0.post@n2.nabble.com> Did you trade? I have KX3 and want to travel with something lighter. Ignacy, NO9E -- Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ From ghyoungman at gmail.com Sat Aug 4 15:46:02 2018 From: ghyoungman at gmail.com (Grant Youngman) Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2018 15:46:02 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 AFX - Pitch Setting Enhancement ...? Message-ID: <0A5ABB75-A0AC-4B55-8DDB-18DCFF2BC890@gmail.com> One of the reasons I never use this setting is that it seems to be a fixed 700 Hz +/- as ?center? in the sound field. I much prefer CW closer to 500 Hz, which always ends up putting the tuned signal in my left ear with this option (and no I?m not terribly hard of hearing in this frequency range). Have I missed another setting option somewhere? If not, it would be a worthwhile KX3 (and K3?) enhancement to have the AFX Pitch ?center? follow the CW Pitch setting of the radio to actually make this function useful. The CW Binaural option on the TT Orion opened up a very spacious left-right soundstage that made it easy to copy a ?centered? CW signal in crowded band conditions even at wider filter settings. You could literally point to every signal ? My K3 isn?t hooked up right now (shack is currently a table on my patio), so I?m not sure if it behaves the same way. In any case redoing the AFX Pitch algorithm would be a very worthwhile enhancement. Grant NQ5T K3 #2091 KX3 #8342 From n0nbd at outlook.com Sat Aug 4 15:46:26 2018 From: n0nbd at outlook.com (Paul Smith) Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2018 19:46:26 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Mic wiring for K2 Message-ID: I ordered and received a MH4 for my K2. The instructions show the schematic of mic wires at J1 and enclosed are little jumpers. Where is J1 and how does a guy get to it? Thanks in advance de Paul N0NBD Sent from Outlook From nr4c at widomaker.com Sat Aug 4 16:32:52 2018 From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c) Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2018 16:32:52 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 AFX - Pitch Setting Enhancement ...? In-Reply-To: <0A5ABB75-A0AC-4B55-8DDB-18DCFF2BC890@gmail.com> References: <0A5ABB75-A0AC-4B55-8DDB-18DCFF2BC890@gmail.com> Message-ID: Try ?Dual-Warch? Sent from my iPhone ...nr4c. bill > On Aug 4, 2018, at 3:46 PM, Grant Youngman wrote: > > One of the reasons I never use this setting is that it seems to be a fixed 700 Hz +/- as ?center? in the sound field. I much prefer CW closer to 500 Hz, which always ends up putting the tuned signal in my left ear with this option (and no I?m not terribly hard of hearing in this frequency range). > > Have I missed another setting option somewhere? If not, it would be a worthwhile KX3 (and K3?) enhancement to have the AFX Pitch ?center? follow the CW Pitch setting of the radio to actually make this function useful. > > The CW Binaural option on the TT Orion opened up a very spacious left-right soundstage that made it easy to copy a ?centered? CW signal in crowded band conditions even at wider filter settings. You could literally point to every signal ? > > My K3 isn?t hooked up right now (shack is currently a table on my patio), so I?m not sure if it behaves the same way. In any case redoing the AFX Pitch algorithm would be a very worthwhile enhancement. > > Grant NQ5T > K3 #2091 KX3 #8342 > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to nr4c at widomaker.com From donwilh at embarqmail.com Sat Aug 4 16:47:29 2018 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2018 16:47:29 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KAT100 issue In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9001749c-0ac9-52b6-1fd1-f144504815e9@embarqmail.com> Mike, I would believe that diodes D1 and D2 in the KAT100 have been damaged by a nearby lightning surge. If that is not the cause, then the firmware IC may be damaged. BTW, it will not tune correctly the way it is. The diodes are 1N5711 type Elecraft p/n E560004. I would get 4 of them. If the KAT100 diodes have been damaged, it is likely that D16 and D17 in the KPA100 have also been damaged. To check the KPA100, remove the KAT100 and transmit into a dummy load. Put an external wattmeter between the KPA100 and the dummy load. Set the power knob to about 50 watts and do a TUNE. The power shown both on the K2 and the external meter should be between 20 and 25 watts. If instead the actual power is quite high (it can go up to 180 watts), then the KPA100 wattmeter is not working, and diodes D16 and D17 need to be replaced. If the power does go quite high, do not operate the K2/100 until it is repaired. Continued operation will result in distortion and in a short period of time the base K2 PA transistors will destroy themselves. 73, Don W3FPR On 8/4/2018 1:24 PM, Mike Baird wrote: > An issue has arisen with my KAT100. The tuner works fine but the LEDs for > the SWR do not light. The PWR and Antenna LEDs are OK. Can someone > recommend a solution? From donwilh at embarqmail.com Sat Aug 4 17:06:37 2018 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2018 17:06:37 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Mic wiring for K2 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2cd80a05-dbfe-683c-c2c8-4cc2c1a263e5@embarqmail.com> Paul, J1 is on the back of the Front Panel board. The connections of that Microphone Configuration Header for various microphones are indicated in the charts toward the end of the KSB2 manual. If you have used an Elecraft microphone before, you may already have those jumpers and the 5.6k bias resistor soldered on the back of the microphone jack installed already. You can remove the left side panel and peer in to see if the jumpers and resistor are already in place. If you just bought this K2 and do not know how to remove the Front Panel, refer to the article at http://www.qsl.net/wy3a/Replace_K2_Headphone_Jack.htm - go only as far as necessary to remove the front panel. 73, Don W3FPR On 8/4/2018 3:46 PM, Paul Smith wrote: > I ordered and received a MH4 for my K2. The instructions show the schematic of mic wires at J1 and enclosed are little jumpers. Where is J1 and how does a guy get to it? > > Thanks in advance de Paul N0NBD > > > Sent from Outlook > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to donwilh at embarqmail.com > From c-hawley at illinois.edu Sat Aug 4 17:24:32 2018 From: c-hawley at illinois.edu (hawley, charles j jr) Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2018 21:24:32 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Mic wiring for K2 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <276D3D6C9D5C8C4484211E9839FDE1AB4A0E1391@CITESMBX5.ad.uillinois.edu> page 17 of this? http://www.elecraft.com/manual/ksb2%20manual%20rev%20G.pdf Chuck Hawley c-hawley at illinois.edu Amateur Radio, KE9UW aka Jack, BMW Motorcycles ________________________________________ From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] on behalf of Paul Smith [n0nbd at outlook.com] Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2018 2:46 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] Mic wiring for K2 I ordered and received a MH4 for my K2. The instructions show the schematic of mic wires at J1 and enclosed are little jumpers. Where is J1 and how does a guy get to it? Thanks in advance de Paul N0NBD Sent from Outlook ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to c-hawley at illinois.edu From donwilh at embarqmail.com Sat Aug 4 17:41:19 2018 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2018 17:41:19 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Mic wiring for K2 In-Reply-To: <276D3D6C9D5C8C4484211E9839FDE1AB4A0E1391@CITESMBX5.ad.uillinois.edu> References: <276D3D6C9D5C8C4484211E9839FDE1AB4A0E1391@CITESMBX5.ad.uillinois.edu> Message-ID: <23267045-10e4-3593-584b-e0cebed64be8@embarqmail.com> Page 17 has the mic signal definitions, page 18 has the plugging for various microphones. 73, Don W3FPR On 8/4/2018 5:24 PM, hawley, charles j jr wrote: > page 17 of this? http://www.elecraft.com/manual/ksb2%20manual%20rev%20G.pdf > > Chuck Hawley > c-hawley at illinois.edu > From Gary at ka1j.com Sat Aug 4 18:03:57 2018 From: Gary at ka1j.com (Gary Smith) Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2018 18:03:57 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 REF*CAL issue Message-ID: <5B6622CD.7898.17E6EB9A@Gary.ka1j.com> I have the K3EXREF installed in this K3. I noticed when I clicked on a signal with the P3 & marker, the signal was off a tad from where it should be. On a hunch I checked REF CAL and the asterisk was missing. I know REF CAL had the flashing asterisk a few days ago. I measured the signal coming from the GPSDO and it was 10.000 0 MHz according to the MFJ analyzer. I had recently put in filters in the K3, a KXV3B and a KIO3B and thought I might have dislodged a coax in the K3 so I assured the integrity of all the coax cables (I have the new synth board). I also assured the K3EXREF was seated properly and there were no obvious loose components. I cannot get the asterisk to flash and the board to lock with the 10 MHz signal. I had to manually calibrate to WWV and it was quite off.Does anyone have a suggestion for me to try and get this to sync? I re-read the K3EXREF installation instructions and the board is nicely in place, reloading known good configurations with the K3 utility made no change. Either I borked a setting somewhere in config or I have a failed component. Anyone have this issue before & found a resolution? Thanks. 73, Gary KA1J From Gary at ka1j.com Sat Aug 4 20:06:43 2018 From: Gary at ka1j.com (Gary Smith) Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2018 20:06:43 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 REF*CAL issue - Resolved In-Reply-To: <5B6622CD.7898.17E6EB9A@Gary.ka1j.com> References: <5B6622CD.7898.17E6EB9A@Gary.ka1j.com> Message-ID: <5B663F93.8080.185750CC@Gary.ka1j.com> I do not know why it was working a few days back and not working now but I found the answer revealed on this web page: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3EXR EF-What-am-I-doing-wrong-td7614721.html It is stated in an addendum that when in REF CAL & you have the external 10 MHz source connected, you have to press 2 on the keypad to enable XREF IN. By doing so the asterisk started in about 10 seconds and all is well, the radio is again properly maintaining the frequency. No idea what made this function stop but this is what it took to start it again. 73, Gary KA1J > I have the K3EXREF installed in this K3. I > noticed when I clicked on a signal with > the P3 & marker, the signal was off a tad > from where it should be. On a hunch I > checked REF CAL and the asterisk was > missing. I know REF CAL had the flashing > asterisk a few days ago. > > I measured the signal coming from the > GPSDO and it was 10.000 0 MHz according to > the MFJ analyzer. I had recently put in > filters in the K3, a KXV3B and a KIO3B and > thought I might have dislodged a coax in > the K3 so I assured the integrity of all > the coax cables (I have the new synth > board). I also assured the K3EXREF was > seated properly and there were no obvious > loose components. I cannot get the > asterisk to flash and the board to lock > with the 10 MHz signal. > > I had to manually calibrate to WWV and it > was quite off.Does anyone have a > suggestion for me to try and get this to > sync? I re-read the K3EXREF installation > instructions and the board is nicely in > place, reloading known good configurations > with the K3 utility made no change. > > Either I borked a setting somewhere in > config or I have a failed component. > > Anyone have this issue before & found a > resolution? > > Thanks. > > 73, > > Gary > KA1J > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to gary at ka1j.com > From c-hawley at illinois.edu Sat Aug 4 20:47:29 2018 From: c-hawley at illinois.edu (hawley, charles j jr) Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2018 00:47:29 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 REF*CAL issue - Resolved In-Reply-To: <5B663F93.8080.185750CC@Gary.ka1j.com> References: <5B6622CD.7898.17E6EB9A@Gary.ka1j.com>, <5B663F93.8080.185750CC@Gary.ka1j.com> Message-ID: <473622F2-A7C6-4338-8553-0D296205910D@illinois.edu> Bad link... Chuck Jack KE9UW Sent from my iPhone, cjack > On Aug 4, 2018, at 7:06 PM, Gary Smith wrote: > > I do not know why it was working a few > days back and not working now but I found > the answer revealed on this web page: > > http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3EXR > EF-What-am-I-doing-wrong-td7614721.html > > It is stated in an addendum that when in > REF CAL & you have the external 10 MHz > source connected, you have to press 2 on > the keypad to enable XREF IN. > > By doing so the asterisk started in about > 10 seconds and all is well, the radio is > again properly maintaining the frequency. > No idea what made this function stop but > this is what it took to start it again. > > 73, > > Gary > KA1J > > >> I have the K3EXREF installed in this K3. I >> noticed when I clicked on a signal with >> the P3 & marker, the signal was off a tad >> from where it should be. On a hunch I >> checked REF CAL and the asterisk was >> missing. I know REF CAL had the flashing >> asterisk a few days ago. >> >> I measured the signal coming from the >> GPSDO and it was 10.000 0 MHz according to >> the MFJ analyzer. I had recently put in >> filters in the K3, a KXV3B and a KIO3B and >> thought I might have dislodged a coax in >> the K3 so I assured the integrity of all >> the coax cables (I have the new synth >> board). I also assured the K3EXREF was >> seated properly and there were no obvious >> loose components. I cannot get the >> asterisk to flash and the board to lock >> with the 10 MHz signal. >> >> I had to manually calibrate to WWV and it >> was quite off.Does anyone have a >> suggestion for me to try and get this to >> sync? I re-read the K3EXREF installation >> instructions and the board is nicely in >> place, reloading known good configurations >> with the K3 utility made no change. >> >> Either I borked a setting somewhere in >> config or I have a failed component. >> >> Anyone have this issue before & found a >> resolution? >> >> Thanks. >> >> 73, >> >> Gary >> KA1J >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to gary at ka1j.com >> > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to c-hawley at illinois.edu From wunder at wunderwood.org Sat Aug 4 21:04:48 2018 From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood) Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2018 18:04:48 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 REF*CAL issue - Resolved In-Reply-To: <473622F2-A7C6-4338-8553-0D296205910D@illinois.edu> References: <5B6622CD.7898.17E6EB9A@Gary.ka1j.com> <5B663F93.8080.185750CC@Gary.ka1j.com> <473622F2-A7C6-4338-8553-0D296205910D@illinois.edu> Message-ID: <67028FAC-5189-446F-9EF0-C10F3623B9F5@wunderwood.org> The link was wrapped and broken in the middle. Put the two bits back together. You?ll get this, unless it gets broken again. http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3EXREF-What-am-I-doing-wrong-td7614721.html wunder K6WRU Walter Underwood CM87wj http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) > On Aug 4, 2018, at 5:47 PM, hawley, charles j jr wrote: > > Bad link... > > Chuck Jack > KE9UW > > Sent from my iPhone, cjack > >> On Aug 4, 2018, at 7:06 PM, Gary Smith wrote: >> >> I do not know why it was working a few >> days back and not working now but I found >> the answer revealed on this web page: >> >> http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3EXR >> EF-What-am-I-doing-wrong-td7614721.html >> >> It is stated in an addendum that when in >> REF CAL & you have the external 10 MHz >> source connected, you have to press 2 on >> the keypad to enable XREF IN. >> >> By doing so the asterisk started in about >> 10 seconds and all is well, the radio is >> again properly maintaining the frequency. >> No idea what made this function stop but >> this is what it took to start it again. >> >> 73, >> >> Gary >> KA1J >> >> >>> I have the K3EXREF installed in this K3. I >>> noticed when I clicked on a signal with >>> the P3 & marker, the signal was off a tad >>> from where it should be. On a hunch I >>> checked REF CAL and the asterisk was >>> missing. I know REF CAL had the flashing >>> asterisk a few days ago. >>> >>> I measured the signal coming from the >>> GPSDO and it was 10.000 0 MHz according to >>> the MFJ analyzer. I had recently put in >>> filters in the K3, a KXV3B and a KIO3B and >>> thought I might have dislodged a coax in >>> the K3 so I assured the integrity of all >>> the coax cables (I have the new synth >>> board). I also assured the K3EXREF was >>> seated properly and there were no obvious >>> loose components. I cannot get the >>> asterisk to flash and the board to lock >>> with the 10 MHz signal. >>> >>> I had to manually calibrate to WWV and it >>> was quite off.Does anyone have a >>> suggestion for me to try and get this to >>> sync? I re-read the K3EXREF installation >>> instructions and the board is nicely in >>> place, reloading known good configurations >>> with the K3 utility made no change. >>> >>> Either I borked a setting somewhere in >>> config or I have a failed component. >>> >>> Anyone have this issue before & found a >>> resolution? >>> >>> Thanks. >>> >>> 73, >>> >>> Gary >>> KA1J >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to gary at ka1j.com >>> >> >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to c-hawley at illinois.edu > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wunder at wunderwood.org From nospambruce at mac.com Sat Aug 4 21:39:34 2018 From: nospambruce at mac.com (Bruce J. Howes) Date: Sat, 04 Aug 2018 21:39:34 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] New KX2 Owner - Looking For Memory Editor Software For Mac Message-ID: <7E05F31A-6419-4692-BB12-AFCB4BECB385@mac.com> Hello all, The KX2 arrived on Friday, loving it. Trying to find memory editor software that runs on the Mac computer, have a MacBook Pro, would be ideal if available. Anyone have any memory templates that they are already using, and could send over? Thanks! Cordially, Bruce W1UJR From n6kr at elecraft.com Sat Aug 4 21:54:00 2018 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2018 18:54:00 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 AFX - Pitch Setting Enhancement ...? In-Reply-To: <0A5ABB75-A0AC-4B55-8DDB-18DCFF2BC890@gmail.com> References: <0A5ABB75-A0AC-4B55-8DDB-18DCFF2BC890@gmail.com> Message-ID: <9DA1C9A1-DF2D-4197-9405-152E46EA7615@elecraft.com> Grant, The KX3's filter center frequency for all features tracks the sidetone pitch exactly. To change the sidetone and filter pitch, just hold the PITCH switch and rotate the knob above it. If you set PITCH to 500 Hz, for example, then the regular filters, APF (audio peaking filter), CWT (CW tuning aid), manual spot, autospot, and CW decode will all be centered at 500 Hz. Regarding your *exact* question (I think): all of the AFX features should also be centered at the selected PITCH. The only exception is if you have a wide filter passband selected. For example, if your PITCH is 500 Hz and you have a filter WIDTH of something greater than about 1000 Hz, then the passband center starts shifting higher. The lower edge of the filter remains near zero beat + 100 Hz to ensure good opposite-sideband rejection at all WIDTH settings. 73, Wayne N6KR > On Aug 4, 2018, at 12:46 PM, Grant Youngman wrote: > > One of the reasons I never use this setting is that it seems to be a fixed 700 Hz +/- as ?center? in the sound field. I much prefer CW closer to 500 Hz, which always ends up putting the tuned signal in my left ear with this option (and no I?m not terribly hard of hearing in this frequency range). > > Have I missed another setting option somewhere? If not, it would be a worthwhile KX3 (and K3?) enhancement to have the AFX Pitch ?center? follow the CW Pitch setting of the radio to actually make this function useful. > > The CW Binaural option on the TT Orion opened up a very spacious left-right soundstage that made it easy to copy a ?centered? CW signal in crowded band conditions even at wider filter settings. You could literally point to every signal ? > > My K3 isn?t hooked up right now (shack is currently a table on my patio), so I?m not sure if it behaves the same way. In any case redoing the AFX Pitch algorithm would be a very worthwhile enhancement. > > Grant NQ5T > K3 #2091 KX3 #8342 > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n6kr at elecraft.com From ghyoungman at gmail.com Sat Aug 4 22:33:33 2018 From: ghyoungman at gmail.com (Grant Youngman) Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2018 22:33:33 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 AFX - Pitch Setting Enhancement ...? In-Reply-To: <9DA1C9A1-DF2D-4197-9405-152E46EA7615@elecraft.com> References: <0A5ABB75-A0AC-4B55-8DDB-18DCFF2BC890@gmail.com> <9DA1C9A1-DF2D-4197-9405-152E46EA7615@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <7F19F78E-8213-4F0B-A211-471B63615427@gmail.com> Wayne .. This is the only feature that I?ve found not adjusting properly to the CW PITCH setting ? I think everything else works like it?s supposed to. I just went out ? doing battle with coastal gnats and other gnawing insects inhabiting my patio :-) ? and tried it again. (There needs to be a bath soap with DEET in it). Narrowing the receive bandwidth has no effect on sound field centering. A CW PITCH of 700 Hz will center right between the ears when the signal is tuned. With CW PITCH at 500 Hz, it is ALWAYS off to the left and does not center at either wide or narrow bandwidths. When tuning across a signal it slides from right to left (or vice versa) as the signal?s pitch changes like you?d expect. When tuned, however, it won?t center unless CW PITCH is at 700 Hz. Grant NQ5T > On Aug 4, 2018, at 9:54 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > > Grant, > > The KX3's filter center frequency for all features tracks the sidetone pitch exactly. To change the sidetone and filter pitch, just hold the PITCH switch and rotate the knob above it. > > If you set PITCH to 500 Hz, for example, then the regular filters, APF (audio peaking filter), CWT (CW tuning aid), manual spot, autospot, and CW decode will all be centered at 500 Hz. > > Regarding your *exact* question (I think): all of the AFX features should also be centered at the selected PITCH. The only exception is if you have a wide filter passband selected. For example, if your PITCH is 500 Hz and you have a filter WIDTH of something greater than about 1000 Hz, then the passband center starts shifting higher. The lower edge of the filter remains near zero beat + 100 Hz to ensure good opposite-sideband rejection at all WIDTH settings. > > 73, > Wayne > N6KR > >> On Aug 4, 2018, at 12:46 PM, Grant Youngman wrote: >> >> One of the reasons I never use this setting is that it seems to be a fixed 700 Hz +/- as ?center? in the sound field. I much prefer CW closer to 500 Hz, which always ends up putting the tuned signal in my left ear with this option (and no I?m not terribly hard of hearing in this frequency range). >> >> Have I missed another setting option somewhere? If not, it would be a worthwhile KX3 (and K3?) enhancement to have the AFX Pitch ?center? follow the CW Pitch setting of the radio to actually make this function useful. >> >> The CW Binaural option on the TT Orion opened up a very spacious left-right soundstage that made it easy to copy a ?centered? CW signal in crowded band conditions even at wider filter settings. You could literally point to every signal ? >> >> My K3 isn?t hooked up right now (shack is currently a table on my patio), so I?m not sure if it behaves the same way. In any case redoing the AFX Pitch algorithm would be a very worthwhile enhancement. >> >> Grant NQ5T >> K3 #2091 KX3 #8342 >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to n6kr at elecraft.com > From rmcgraw at blomand.net Sat Aug 4 22:56:27 2018 From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX) Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2018 21:56:27 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 AFX - Pitch Setting Enhancement ...? In-Reply-To: <7F19F78E-8213-4F0B-A211-471B63615427@gmail.com> References: <0A5ABB75-A0AC-4B55-8DDB-18DCFF2BC890@gmail.com> <9DA1C9A1-DF2D-4197-9405-152E46EA7615@elecraft.com> <7F19F78E-8213-4F0B-A211-471B63615427@gmail.com> Message-ID: <77413aa2-7e8e-2dd4-ce3c-53bcf2e28140@blomand.net> With AFX utilized there is phase shift between left and right audio channels.?? I don't seem to think it is constant phase shift, therefore changes with frequency.? This enhances the bi-aural effect of AFX.?? In the hearing, thus two sources of the same signal, the leading phase will be the leading direction or location.?? As the phase changes with frequency then the source will appear to change accordingly.?? This is the way the ear determines direction of a sound in the distance.? If the sound arrives at the right ear first, then the sound source is determined to be from the right.?? Likewise for sound arriving to the left ear first, the source is to the left. Just my take from an old deaf recording studio engineer. 73 Bob, K4TAX On 8/4/2018 9:33 PM, Grant Youngman wrote: > Wayne .. > > This is the only feature that I?ve found not adjusting properly to the CW PITCH setting ? I think everything else works like it?s supposed to. > > I just went out ? doing battle with coastal gnats and other gnawing insects inhabiting my patio :-) ? and tried it again. (There needs to be a bath soap with DEET in it). > > Narrowing the receive bandwidth has no effect on sound field centering. A CW PITCH of 700 Hz will center right between the ears when the signal is tuned. With CW PITCH at 500 Hz, it is ALWAYS off to the left and does not center at either wide or narrow bandwidths. When tuning across a signal it slides from right to left (or vice versa) as the signal?s pitch changes like you?d expect. When tuned, however, it won?t center unless CW PITCH is at 700 Hz. > > Grant NQ5T > >> On Aug 4, 2018, at 9:54 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: >> >> Grant, >> >> The KX3's filter center frequency for all features tracks the sidetone pitch exactly. To change the sidetone and filter pitch, just hold the PITCH switch and rotate the knob above it. >> >> If you set PITCH to 500 Hz, for example, then the regular filters, APF (audio peaking filter), CWT (CW tuning aid), manual spot, autospot, and CW decode will all be centered at 500 Hz. >> >> Regarding your *exact* question (I think): all of the AFX features should also be centered at the selected PITCH. The only exception is if you have a wide filter passband selected. For example, if your PITCH is 500 Hz and you have a filter WIDTH of something greater than about 1000 Hz, then the passband center starts shifting higher. The lower edge of the filter remains near zero beat + 100 Hz to ensure good opposite-sideband rejection at all WIDTH settings. >> >> 73, >> Wayne >> N6KR >> >>> On Aug 4, 2018, at 12:46 PM, Grant Youngman wrote: >>> >>> One of the reasons I never use this setting is that it seems to be a fixed 700 Hz +/- as ?center? in the sound field. I much prefer CW closer to 500 Hz, which always ends up putting the tuned signal in my left ear with this option (and no I?m not terribly hard of hearing in this frequency range). >>> >>> Have I missed another setting option somewhere? If not, it would be a worthwhile KX3 (and K3?) enhancement to have the AFX Pitch ?center? follow the CW Pitch setting of the radio to actually make this function useful. >>> >>> The CW Binaural option on the TT Orion opened up a very spacious left-right soundstage that made it easy to copy a ?centered? CW signal in crowded band conditions even at wider filter settings. You could literally point to every signal ? >>> >>> My K3 isn?t hooked up right now (shack is currently a table on my patio), so I?m not sure if it behaves the same way. In any case redoing the AFX Pitch algorithm would be a very worthwhile enhancement. >>> >>> Grant NQ5T >>> K3 #2091 KX3 #8342 >>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to n6kr at elecraft.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to rmcgraw at blomand.net From kk7p4dsp at gmail.com Sat Aug 4 23:46:18 2018 From: kk7p4dsp at gmail.com (Lyle Johnson) Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2018 20:46:18 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 AFX - Pitch Setting Enhancement ...? In-Reply-To: <77413aa2-7e8e-2dd4-ce3c-53bcf2e28140@blomand.net> References: <0A5ABB75-A0AC-4B55-8DDB-18DCFF2BC890@gmail.com> <9DA1C9A1-DF2D-4197-9405-152E46EA7615@elecraft.com> <7F19F78E-8213-4F0B-A211-471B63615427@gmail.com> <77413aa2-7e8e-2dd4-ce3c-53bcf2e28140@blomand.net> Message-ID: <77C25D98-889D-4196-A205-154877FF2A42@gmail.com> There are multiple AFX choices for the KX2/3 transceivers. The PITCH selection uses a fixed set of filters for pitch mapping and as noted by the OP the center frequency does not follow the pitch setting. At the time it was implemented we thought it worthwhile to include even if it didn't re-center based on the pitch setting. 73, Lyle KK7P From kevinr at coho.net Sun Aug 5 00:56:11 2018 From: kevinr at coho.net (kevinr) Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2018 21:56:11 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Announcement Message-ID: Good Evening, ?? A week of cool weather has lessened the fire danger and brought morning fog back to the mountains.? That fog has kept the berries fresh.? Fruit tastes better when there is no storage involved.? From an ad hoc survey of the surrounding trees about 5% of them are producing cones.? Luckily one of them is right over the house so the squirrels can drop them on my roof from great heights.? I think they enjoy the sound they make. ?? The sun has been quiet with only tiny spots to break the long streaks of blankness.? There is still some noise from extra terrestrial sources.? Even though our sun is mostly inactive there are quite a few others out there ready to shower us with cosmic rays.? Dwarf stars collapsing into neutron stars.? The black hole in Sagittarius eating planets.? Or little grey men sending signals we ignore as noise. Please join us tomorrow on: 14050 kHz at 2200z Sunday (3 PM PDT Sunday) ? 7045 kHz at 0000z Monday (5 PM PDT Sunday) 73, Kevin. KD5ONS _ From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Sun Aug 5 03:19:29 2018 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2018 00:19:29 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 AFX - Pitch Setting Enhancement ...? In-Reply-To: <77413aa2-7e8e-2dd4-ce3c-53bcf2e28140@blomand.net> References: <0A5ABB75-A0AC-4B55-8DDB-18DCFF2BC890@gmail.com> <9DA1C9A1-DF2D-4197-9405-152E46EA7615@elecraft.com> <7F19F78E-8213-4F0B-A211-471B63615427@gmail.com> <77413aa2-7e8e-2dd4-ce3c-53bcf2e28140@blomand.net> Message-ID: On 8/4/2018 7:56 PM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote: > This is the way the ear determines direction of a sound in the > distance.? If the sound arrives at the right ear first, then the sound > source is determined to be from the right.?? Likewise for sound > arriving to the left ear first, the source is to the left. Exactly right, Bob. Indeed, TIME difference between sound arrival at the two ears is the primary determinant of the direction of a sound. It is FAR more important than loudness. This is the basis of the best of the stereo sound patents, by Bell Labs c.a. 1936. It depends on spaced microphones and spaced loudspeakers. 73, Jim K9YC From voerman at att.net Sun Aug 5 08:07:05 2018 From: voerman at att.net (Lou Voerman W2ROW) Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2018 05:07:05 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] New K2 - two bad encoders Message-ID: <1533470825585-0.post@n2.nabble.com> I am building a newly acquired K2. Everything was fine through stage 1 assembly and checkout. Upon reassembling after stage two the main tuning encoder no longer works (turning the knob does absolutely nothing). I contacted Elecraft support and Gary sent me a new encoder assembly. I received it yesterday, assembled it and installed it, it also does not work. At every stage I flush cut the leads on both the encoder PCB and the control board and insulated with thick paper. To add to the plot, I have an older K2 which I disassembled and removed the encoder assembly from. I installed that encoder assembly in the new K2 and it works FB. I also installed one of the new encoder assemblies in the old K2 and it does not work (as expected). Being in contact with Elecraft support I expect this will get resolved soon, but I wondered if anyone on the list has any experience and/or suggestions. Thanks, Lou W2ROW -- Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ From k2av.guy at gmail.com Sun Aug 5 08:17:46 2018 From: k2av.guy at gmail.com (Guy Olinger K2AV) Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2018 08:17:46 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Noise cancelling headphones In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks Mark, According to a tech at a one of the aviation stores, the latest versions of the A20 will allow using the headset/mike to access a paired device such as a smartphone, both to and from. Use it by muting the phone mike and talking/listening via the A20. Talking on a phone in a small plane has the same audio issues as radio communications with flight service without noise cancellation, etc. The A20 handles that kind of problem very well. The battery and Bluetooth are in an accessible blob on the A20 cord. But the idea of 1K$ to start with, and then dropping that 1K$ out of warranty to remove the cord beyond the blob gives me the hives. 73, Guy K2AV On Sat, Aug 4, 2018 at 12:25 AM Mark Goldberg wrote: > Amazon shows the HP8000 available from third party sellers at wildly > varying prices. Sometimes they are bad or fake unfortunately. They claim > new, but don't have enough info listed to tell if it meets your criteria. > > As far as I know, aviation headsets will not have wireless for the main > headset or microphone as it is not reliable enough to be certifiable. They > will have auxiliary bluetooth inputs for entertainment. > > I do not know anything that meets your criteria. > > Good luck in your search, > > Mark > W7MLG > > On Fri, Aug 3, 2018 at 9:11 PM, Guy Olinger K2AV > wrote: > >> This thread seems to be read by some who are familiar with headsets, but >> I?m asking a slightly different question... >> >> A) I am looking for a headset/mike combination, with *all* the following. >> >> 1) over-the-ear dual headset >> 2) noise-cancelling headset >> 3) active noise-cancelling boom microphone >> 4) wireless, either bluetooth or wireless to USB dongle, bluetooth >> preferred, wireless is *required*. >> >> I have tried endless hours of searching, dozens and dozens of different >> search parms but cannot get Google, eBay or Amazon to make a list with all >> the required conditions. Something always gets ignored. >> >> I know that a Bose A20 aircraft headset can be modified using the battery >> and Bluetooth parts only of the plug/cordset. That?s modifying a 1K$ >> headset. >> >> There used to be an ?HP8000? that seemed to fit the bill, but only sold in >> EU and Asia. That also was called QD834. It apparently not made now and >> stock gone. >> >> Looking for an answer from someone that knows a manufacturer that makes a >> model that matches A) 1-4) above. >> >> Thank you, thank you, thank you if you know the answer. >> >> 73, Guy K2AV >> >> >> On Fri, Aug 3, 2018 at 10:16 AM, Chris wrote: >> >> > Is it Sony WH-1000XM2? I have one and love it. It is pricey but you >> get >> > what you pay for. I tried both Bose and Sony, and chose Sony because it >> > seems better with noise cancelling. When I fly alone for business, I >> use >> > it with low volume music from my iphone, and I barely hear the engine >> > noise. When I fly with my family, I don't get that luxury. LOL >> > >> > I also use it as ear mufflers when I use my lawnmower. I can listen to >> > music or podcast with very low engine noise from the mower. This is >> > great. I wire it when I use for radios. >> > >> > DE Chris AD1AD >> > >> > On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 4:46 PM, Dave Sublette >> wrote: >> > >> > > So here I am with three hours to wait until my plane boards. I tried >> a >> > set >> > > of Bluetooth Sony noise cancelling headphones. Big mistake. They're >> > > great. >> > > >> > > $300.00 is too much for me. What other models are in use with >> Elecraft >> > > folks? >> > > >> > > Dave, K4TO >> > > ______________________________________________________________ >> > > Elecraft mailing list >> > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> > > >> > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> > > Message delivered to ve3uvt at gmail.com >> > > >> > ______________________________________________________________ >> > Elecraft mailing list >> > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> > >> > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> > Message delivered to k2av.guy at gmail.com >> > >> >> -- >> Sent via Gmail Mobile on my iPhone >> > ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> > Message delivered to marklgoldberg at gmail.com >> > > -- Sent via Gmail Mobile on my iPhone From donwilh at embarqmail.com Sun Aug 5 08:50:19 2018 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2018 08:50:19 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] New K2 - two bad encoders In-Reply-To: <1533470825585-0.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1533470825585-0.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: Lou, The encoder itself is the same one used in the K3/K3S, so I think if there was a bad batch of encoders in the Elecraft stock, it would have been noticed and quickly corrected. However, the board to convert the pulse count of that encoder to that needed by the K2 is suspect in my mind. It is 'firmware' and I suspect that there may have been some unprogrammed ICs made their way into the K2 encoder assembly packages. Of course, that remains to be proven, it is just a guess on my part. Continue to work with support, it should be resolved soon. 73, Don W3FPR On 8/5/2018 8:07 AM, Lou Voerman W2ROW wrote: > I am building a newly acquired K2. Everything was fine through stage 1 > assembly and checkout. Upon reassembling after stage two the main tuning > encoder no longer works (turning the knob does absolutely nothing). I > contacted Elecraft support and Gary sent me a new encoder assembly. I > received it yesterday, assembled it and installed it, it also does not work. > At every stage I flush cut the leads on both the encoder PCB and the control > board and insulated with thick paper. > > To add to the plot, I have an older K2 which I disassembled and removed the > encoder assembly from. I installed that encoder assembly in the new K2 and > it works FB. I also installed one of the new encoder assemblies in the old > K2 and it does not work (as expected). > From ghyoungman at gmail.com Sun Aug 5 09:14:16 2018 From: ghyoungman at gmail.com (Grant Youngman) Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2018 09:14:16 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 AFX - Pitch Setting Enhancement ...? In-Reply-To: <77C25D98-889D-4196-A205-154877FF2A42@gmail.com> References: <0A5ABB75-A0AC-4B55-8DDB-18DCFF2BC890@gmail.com> <9DA1C9A1-DF2D-4197-9405-152E46EA7615@elecraft.com> <7F19F78E-8213-4F0B-A211-471B63615427@gmail.com> <77413aa2-7e8e-2dd4-ce3c-53bcf2e28140@blomand.net> <77C25D98-889D-4196-A205-154877FF2A42@gmail.com> Message-ID: I appreciate the clarification. At least I?m not crazy this time :-) I was hoping I?d stumbled on a bug that had been overlooked, rather than a ?feature?. Time marches on, and there may be little chance at this point of rewriting this option to follow CW PITCH. Perhaps there could be a fixed selection of a small number of CW PITCH settings with appropriate filter parameters? I think there are quite a few of us who prefer lower frequencies than the apparent default of 700 Hz for CW reception. In any case, it works better on the KX3 than it does on the K3. On the K3, the function seems to barely work, and requires a very high and unusable tuned pitch to give the sense of the signal being centered between the ears. The overall effect (at least here) with AFX mode set to BIN, is that the right headphone has gone dead. I had to convince myself the right channel was still working by switching AFX on and off several times or changing AFX to a Delay setting.. Virtually everything but very high pitches appear on the left. Maybe I have some sort of hardware problem (?) I think I discovered all of this very early on, but haven?t used the feature for some time, and my memory is old and short :-) For anyone curious about binaural CW, the original description (at least the earliest I saw) was in QST 2/86. (Took a while to find it again). The method at that time used 4 or 8 pole analog elliptical filters (one LP, one HP). Other versions using I/Q signals have come along also. TT Orion's ?Panoramic Stereo? mode used HP/LP filters plus time delays and was very effective, but I don?t recall if their implementation adjusted filter parameters to center the default CW tone setting either. Haven?t had an Orion for a long time. But on that radio I almost always used the feature on CW ? Grant NQ5T K3 #2091 KX3 #8342 > On Aug 4, 2018, at 11:46 PM, Lyle Johnson wrote: > > There are multiple AFX choices for the KX2/3 transceivers. > > The PITCH selection uses a fixed set of filters for pitch mapping and as noted by the OP the center frequency does not follow the pitch setting. > > At the time it was implemented we thought it worthwhile to include even if it didn't re-center based on the pitch setting. > > 73, > > Lyle KK7P > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to ghyoungman at gmail.com From g7ltq at newgas.net Sun Aug 5 09:30:42 2018 From: g7ltq at newgas.net (John Newgas) Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2018 14:30:42 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] New KX2 Owner - Looking For Memory Editor Software For Mac Message-ID: I have a KX3 not a KX2, but the Memory editor by DL2RUM works on an Mac and i think it will also work on KX2 in spite of its name. Have a look at http://www.dl2rum.de/rumsoft/Elecraft.html John G7LTQ From rmcgraw at blomand.net Sun Aug 5 09:45:51 2018 From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX) Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2018 08:45:51 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] New KX2 Owner - Looking For Memory Editor Software For Mac In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I downloaded my radio memories to the Elecraft Frequency editor and saved the file.?? It opens nicely in EXCEL and can be edited accordingly as it is .XML file format. 73 Bob, K4TAX On 8/5/2018 8:30 AM, John Newgas wrote: > I have a KX3 not a KX2, but the Memory editor by DL2RUM works on an Mac and i think it will also work on KX2 in spite of its name. > Have a look at http://www.dl2rum.de/rumsoft/Elecraft.html > > John G7LTQ > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to rmcgraw at blomand.net > From kk7p4dsp at gmail.com Sun Aug 5 10:21:09 2018 From: kk7p4dsp at gmail.com (Lyle Johnson) Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2018 07:21:09 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 AFX - Pitch Setting Enhancement ...? In-Reply-To: References: <0A5ABB75-A0AC-4B55-8DDB-18DCFF2BC890@gmail.com> <9DA1C9A1-DF2D-4197-9405-152E46EA7615@elecraft.com> <7F19F78E-8213-4F0B-A211-471B63615427@gmail.com> <77413aa2-7e8e-2dd4-ce3c-53bcf2e28140@blomand.net> <77C25D98-889D-4196-A205-154877FF2A42@gmail.com> Message-ID: There is no "PITCH" mode in the K3 AFX selections, only the KX2/KX3. 73, Lyle KK7P On 8/5/18 6:14 AM, Grant Youngman wrote: > I appreciate the clarification. ?At least I?m not crazy this time :-) > > ... > > In any case, it works better on the KX3 than it does on the K3. From ghyoungman at gmail.com Sun Aug 5 10:24:56 2018 From: ghyoungman at gmail.com (Grant Youngman) Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2018 10:24:56 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 AFX - Pitch Setting Enhancement ...? In-Reply-To: References: <0A5ABB75-A0AC-4B55-8DDB-18DCFF2BC890@gmail.com> <9DA1C9A1-DF2D-4197-9405-152E46EA7615@elecraft.com> <7F19F78E-8213-4F0B-A211-471B63615427@gmail.com> <77413aa2-7e8e-2dd4-ce3c-53bcf2e28140@blomand.net> <77C25D98-889D-4196-A205-154877FF2A42@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1FD337D5-D952-4945-8C32-F32FCDFD48F3@gmail.com> True. But there is BINaural ? I may have misunderstood what that effect is. Grant NQ5T K3 #2091 KX3 #8342 > On Aug 5, 2018, at 10:21 AM, Lyle Johnson wrote: > > There is no "PITCH" mode in the K3 AFX selections, only the KX2/KX3. > > 73, > > Lyle KK7P > > On 8/5/18 6:14 AM, Grant Youngman wrote: >> I appreciate the clarification. At least I?m not crazy this time :-) >> >> ... >> >> In any case, it works better on the KX3 than it does on the K3. > From ghyoungman at gmail.com Sun Aug 5 10:54:23 2018 From: ghyoungman at gmail.com (Grant Youngman) Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2018 10:54:23 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 AFX - Pitch Setting Enhancement ...? In-Reply-To: <1FD337D5-D952-4945-8C32-F32FCDFD48F3@gmail.com> References: <0A5ABB75-A0AC-4B55-8DDB-18DCFF2BC890@gmail.com> <9DA1C9A1-DF2D-4197-9405-152E46EA7615@elecraft.com> <7F19F78E-8213-4F0B-A211-471B63615427@gmail.com> <77413aa2-7e8e-2dd4-ce3c-53bcf2e28140@blomand.net> <77C25D98-889D-4196-A205-154877FF2A42@gmail.com> <1FD337D5-D952-4945-8C32-F32FCDFD48F3@gmail.com> Message-ID: <0D6F727D-9009-4C4C-B6FD-ACF3332AE1F1@gmail.com> That would certainly explain why a non-existent feature never seemed to work right. I should follow my own advice and RTFM ? :-) Grant NQ5T K3 #2091 KX3 #8342 > On Aug 5, 2018, at 10:24 AM, Grant Youngman wrote: > > True. But there is BINaural ? I may have misunderstood what that effect is. > > Grant NQ5T > K3 #2091 KX3 #8342 > >> On Aug 5, 2018, at 10:21 AM, Lyle Johnson > wrote: >> >> There is no "PITCH" mode in the K3 AFX selections, only the KX2/KX3. >> >> 73, >> >> Lyle KK7P >> >> On 8/5/18 6:14 AM, Grant Youngman wrote: >>> I appreciate the clarification. At least I?m not crazy this time :-) >>> >>> ... >>> >>> In any case, it works better on the KX3 than it does on the K3. >> > From marklgoldberg at gmail.com Sun Aug 5 12:41:49 2018 From: marklgoldberg at gmail.com (Mark Goldberg) Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2018 09:41:49 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Noise cancelling headphones In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I used to design aircraft audio systems for a living, but have been retired a year. The A20 is a nice headset and the audio quality from the mic and headphones is very good, over the wired connection, for safety services (communication with air traffic control). Listening to stereo entertainment via Bluetooth probably uses the AD2P protocol which is stereo and can be pretty decent qualtiy. I don't know for sure for this headset, but when any Bluetooth device I know of does phone calls and uses the Mic, it switches to the HSP or HFP protocol, which is mono and in my opinion, sounds like crap for both TX and RX. It is lower bandwidth and more compressed. HFP version 1.6 added better audio encoding, but I do not know if it is widely used. It would be a shame to take a $1k headset and make it sound like a $5 headset. I would think there might be some sort of headset to wireless TX/RX adapter that might be available. Jupiter Avionics makes something that claims to do that. I bet it is expensive and I do not see any mention of a TSO certification on the data sheet. I guess if you are not using it for aviation, you may not care. Lots of small aircraft use uncertified stuff anyway. Again, good luck in your search. 73, Mark W7MLG On Sun, Aug 5, 2018 at 5:17 AM, Guy Olinger K2AV wrote: > Thanks Mark, > > According to a tech at a one of the aviation stores, the latest versions > of the A20 will allow using the headset/mike to access a paired device such > as a smartphone, both to and from. Use it by muting the phone mike and > talking/listening via the A20. > > Talking on a phone in a small plane has the same audio issues as radio > communications with flight service without noise cancellation, etc. The A20 > handles that kind of problem very well. > > The battery and Bluetooth are in an accessible blob on the A20 cord. But > the idea of 1K$ to start with, and then dropping that 1K$ out of warranty > to remove the cord beyond the blob gives me the hives. > > 73, Guy K2AV > > On Sat, Aug 4, 2018 at 12:25 AM Mark Goldberg > wrote: > >> Amazon shows the HP8000 available from third party sellers at wildly >> varying prices. Sometimes they are bad or fake unfortunately. They claim >> new, but don't have enough info listed to tell if it meets your criteria. >> >> As far as I know, aviation headsets will not have wireless for the main >> headset or microphone as it is not reliable enough to be certifiable. They >> will have auxiliary bluetooth inputs for entertainment. >> >> I do not know anything that meets your criteria. >> >> Good luck in your search, >> >> Mark >> W7MLG >> >> On Fri, Aug 3, 2018 at 9:11 PM, Guy Olinger K2AV >> wrote: >> >>> This thread seems to be read by some who are familiar with headsets, but >>> I?m asking a slightly different question... >>> >>> A) I am looking for a headset/mike combination, with *all* the following. >>> >>> 1) over-the-ear dual headset >>> 2) noise-cancelling headset >>> 3) active noise-cancelling boom microphone >>> 4) wireless, either bluetooth or wireless to USB dongle, bluetooth >>> preferred, wireless is *required*. >>> >>> I have tried endless hours of searching, dozens and dozens of different >>> search parms but cannot get Google, eBay or Amazon to make a list with >>> all >>> the required conditions. Something always gets ignored. >>> >>> I know that a Bose A20 aircraft headset can be modified using the battery >>> and Bluetooth parts only of the plug/cordset. That?s modifying a 1K$ >>> headset. >>> >>> There used to be an ?HP8000? that seemed to fit the bill, but only sold >>> in >>> EU and Asia. That also was called QD834. It apparently not made now and >>> stock gone. >>> >>> Looking for an answer from someone that knows a manufacturer that makes a >>> model that matches A) 1-4) above. >>> >>> Thank you, thank you, thank you if you know the answer. >>> >>> 73, Guy K2AV >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Aug 3, 2018 at 10:16 AM, Chris wrote: >>> >>> > Is it Sony WH-1000XM2? I have one and love it. It is pricey but you >>> get >>> > what you pay for. I tried both Bose and Sony, and chose Sony because >>> it >>> > seems better with noise cancelling. When I fly alone for business, I >>> use >>> > it with low volume music from my iphone, and I barely hear the engine >>> > noise. When I fly with my family, I don't get that luxury. LOL >>> > >>> > I also use it as ear mufflers when I use my lawnmower. I can listen to >>> > music or podcast with very low engine noise from the mower. This is >>> > great. I wire it when I use for radios. >>> > >>> > DE Chris AD1AD >>> > >>> > On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 4:46 PM, Dave Sublette >>> wrote: >>> > >>> > > So here I am with three hours to wait until my plane boards. I >>> tried a >>> > set >>> > > of Bluetooth Sony noise cancelling headphones. Big mistake. >>> They're >>> > > great. >>> > > >>> > > $300.00 is too much for me. What other models are in use with >>> Elecraft >>> > > folks? >>> > > >>> > > Dave, K4TO >>> > > ______________________________________________________________ >>> > > Elecraft mailing list >>> > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> > > >>> > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> > > Message delivered to ve3uvt at gmail.com >>> > > >>> > ______________________________________________________________ >>> > Elecraft mailing list >>> > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> > >>> > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> > Message delivered to k2av.guy at gmail.com >>> > >>> >>> -- >>> Sent via Gmail Mobile on my iPhone >>> >> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> >> Message delivered to marklgoldberg at gmail.com >>> >> >> -- > Sent via Gmail Mobile on my iPhone > From Gary at ka1j.com Sun Aug 5 13:32:58 2018 From: Gary at ka1j.com (Gary Smith) Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2018 13:32:58 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Noise cancelling headphones In-Reply-To: References: , , Message-ID: <5B6734CA.22320.1C1523DC@Gary.ka1j.com> Another of my 2 cents on this topic... While not for transmitting, there is a worthy consideration for wireless Rx headphones, the Gray Ghost headsets I use for metal detecting. There is a 1/4" plug which goes to the radio & is the transmitter. The headphones pick up this Tx and reproduce the sound. Both the headphones and transmitter do require being charged, this may be a deal breaker for some. My Minelab CTX3030 detector offers some 50 tones in the discovery process and they sound beautiful with this headset. They are mono with very low latency, when swinging the detector, even a little delay is unacceptable and would give incorrect info, so I expect the response would be the same for our needs. I got my set from here: http://www.colonialmetaldetectors.com/gray -ghost-wireless-fbs.html Just google for Gray Ghost headphones. 73, Gary KA1J > I used to design aircraft audio systems for a living, but have been > retired a year. The A20 is a nice headset and the audio quality from > the mic and headphones is very good, over the wired connection, for > safety services (communication with air traffic control). > > Listening to stereo entertainment via Bluetooth probably uses the AD2P > protocol which is stereo and can be pretty decent qualtiy. I don't > know for sure for this headset, but when any Bluetooth device I know > of does phone calls and uses the Mic, it switches to the HSP or HFP > protocol, which is mono and in my opinion, sounds like crap for both > TX and RX. It is lower bandwidth and more compressed. HFP version 1.6 > added better audio encoding, but I do not know if it is widely used. > It would be a shame to take a $1k headset and make it sound like a $5 > headset. > > I would think there might be some sort of headset to wireless TX/RX > adapter that might be available. Jupiter Avionics makes something that > claims to do that. I bet it is expensive and I do not see any mention > of a TSO certification on the data sheet. I guess if you are not using > it for aviation, you may not care. Lots of small aircraft use > uncertified stuff anyway. > > Again, good luck in your search. > > 73, > > Mark > W7MLG > > > On Sun, Aug 5, 2018 at 5:17 AM, Guy Olinger K2AV > wrote: > > > Thanks Mark, > > > > According to a tech at a one of the aviation stores, the latest > > versions of the A20 will allow using the headset/mike to access a > > paired device such as a smartphone, both to and from. Use it by > > muting the phone mike and talking/listening via the A20. > > > > Talking on a phone in a small plane has the same audio issues as > > radio communications with flight service without noise cancellation, > > etc. The A20 handles that kind of problem very well. > > > > The battery and Bluetooth are in an accessible blob on the A20 cord. > > But the idea of 1K$ to start with, and then dropping that 1K$ out of > > warranty to remove the cord beyond the blob gives me the hives. > > > > 73, Guy K2AV > > > > On Sat, Aug 4, 2018 at 12:25 AM Mark Goldberg > > wrote: > > > >> Amazon shows the HP8000 available from third party sellers at > >> wildly varying prices. Sometimes they are bad or fake > >> unfortunately. They claim new, but don't have enough info listed to > >> tell if it meets your criteria. > >> > >> As far as I know, aviation headsets will not have wireless for the > >> main headset or microphone as it is not reliable enough to be > >> certifiable. They will have auxiliary bluetooth inputs for > >> entertainment. > >> > >> I do not know anything that meets your criteria. > >> > >> Good luck in your search, > >> > >> Mark > >> W7MLG > >> > >> On Fri, Aug 3, 2018 at 9:11 PM, Guy Olinger K2AV > >> wrote: > >> > >>> This thread seems to be read by some who are familiar with > >>> headsets, but > >>> I?m asking a slightly different question... > >>> > >>> A) I am looking for a headset/mike combination, with *all* the > >>> following. > >>> > >>> 1) over-the-ear dual headset > >>> 2) noise-cancelling headset > >>> 3) active noise-cancelling boom microphone > >>> 4) wireless, either bluetooth or wireless to USB dongle, bluetooth > >>> preferred, wireless is *required*. > >>> > >>> I have tried endless hours of searching, dozens and dozens of > >>> different search parms but cannot get Google, eBay or Amazon to > >>> make a list with all the required conditions. Something always > >>> gets ignored. > >>> > >>> I know that a Bose A20 aircraft headset can be modified using the > >>> battery and Bluetooth parts only of the plug/cordset. That?s > >>> modifying a 1K$ headset. > >>> > >>> There used to be an "HP8000" that seemed to fit the bill, but > >>> only sold in EU and Asia. That also was called QD834. It > >>> apparently not made now and stock gone. > >>> > >>> Looking for an answer from someone that knows a manufacturer that > >>> makes a model that matches A) 1-4) above. > >>> > >>> Thank you, thank you, thank you if you know the answer. > >>> > >>> 73, Guy K2AV > >>> > >>> > >>> On Fri, Aug 3, 2018 at 10:16 AM, Chris wrote: > >>> > >>> > Is it Sony WH-1000XM2? I have one and love it. It is pricey > >>> > but you > >>> get > >>> > what you pay for. I tried both Bose and Sony, and chose Sony > >>> > because > >>> it > >>> > seems better with noise cancelling. When I fly alone for > >>> > business, I > >>> use > >>> > it with low volume music from my iphone, and I barely hear the > >>> > engine noise. When I fly with my family, I don't get that > >>> > luxury. LOL > >>> > > >>> > I also use it as ear mufflers when I use my lawnmower. I can > >>> > listen to music or podcast with very low engine noise from the > >>> > mower. This is great. I wire it when I use for radios. > >>> > > >>> > DE Chris AD1AD > >>> > > >>> > On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 4:46 PM, Dave Sublette > >>> > > >>> wrote: > >>> > > >>> > > So here I am with three hours to wait until my plane boards. > >>> > > I > >>> tried a > >>> > set > >>> > > of Bluetooth Sony noise cancelling headphones. Big mistake. > >>> They're > >>> > > great. > >>> > > > >>> > > $300.00 is too much for me. What other models are in use > >>> > > with > >>> Elecraft > >>> > > folks? > >>> > > > >>> > > Dave, K4TO From cyaffey at gmail.com Sun Aug 5 13:35:44 2018 From: cyaffey at gmail.com (Carl Yaffey) Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2018 13:35:44 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Interesting issue with KPA1500 Message-ID: 1. Change K3S to 14303.5 to sign in to the net. 2. Turn on KPA1500. 3. Select OPER 4. Talk into mic - 100 watts out. 5. Switch K3S mode to CW, tap key. Full power. 6. Switch back to SSB, talk into mic, full power. Carl Yaffey K8NU Recording studio. cyaffeyNO_SPAM at gmail.com 614 268 6353, Columbus OH http://www.carl-yaffey.com http://www.grassahol.com http://www.bluesswing.com From a.durbin at msn.com Sun Aug 5 13:48:35 2018 From: a.durbin at msn.com (ANDY DURBIN) Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2018 17:48:35 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Noise cancelling headphones Message-ID: Can anyone point me to a specification for any aviation headset that claims the microphone has active noise cancellation?? ?Can anyone point me to?a specification for?any non-aviation headset that claims the microphone has active noise cancellation? Many/most aviation headsets use noise cancelling microphones but they are not active.? They simply sample most of the voice signal on the mouth side of the element and most of the noise on both sides of the element. Effective noise cancellation requires the microphone to be close to the lips. I fly with DC H10-13S converted to active noise cancellation. The same active noise cancelling conversion can be done on many headsets that copy the DC design for the ear "cups". http://www.headsetsinc.com/ 73, Andy k3wyc From donwilh at embarqmail.com Sun Aug 5 13:55:56 2018 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2018 13:55:56 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Interesting issue with KPA1500 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Carl, Try this - there are two things that can cause a slow power ramp up on the K3/K3S. Both can be easily fixed by the operator. Do a TX Gain CAL on the K3S - Use K3 Utility. Secondly, make sure you are driving the K3S ALC meter to 5 to 7 bars when talking with a normal voice. Make that setting with compression set to zero and adjust the mic gain. You can use TX TEST so no RF is produced. After adjusting the Mic Gain, bring up compression to your desired setting. Remember that the 1st 4 bars of the "ALC" meter do not indicate ALC, but are there to allow proper adjustment of the audio level for voice and data modes. If you do not have enough audio, the K3/K3S will "power hunt". 73, Don W3FPR On 8/5/2018 1:35 PM, Carl Yaffey wrote: > 1. Change K3S to 14303.5 to sign in to the net. > 2. Turn on KPA1500. > 3. Select OPER > 4. Talk into mic - 100 watts out. > 5. Switch K3S mode to CW, tap key. Full power. > 6. Switch back to SSB, talk into mic, full power. > From Gary at ka1j.com Sun Aug 5 15:56:56 2018 From: Gary at ka1j.com (Gary Smith) Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2018 15:56:56 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 replacing the Li battery Message-ID: <5B675688.29350.1C98F23B@Gary.ka1j.com> The K3 I have been upgrading & maintaining as my back-up radio for the K3s is 9-10 years old, I bought this one used. I'm thinking the battery is maybe old and should be replaced with a new one. I have a GPSDO attached so frequency stability should be maintained with the battery loss. The clock I can sync with the computer which is time corrected each second... I have a backup configuration saved via the K3 Utility. What is lost from memory that I need to re-engage after the battery is replaced? Thanks, Gary KA1J From nr4c at widomaker.com Sun Aug 5 16:13:45 2018 From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c) Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2018 16:13:45 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 replacing the Li battery In-Reply-To: <5B675688.29350.1C98F23B@Gary.ka1j.com> References: <5B675688.29350.1C98F23B@Gary.ka1j.com> Message-ID: I believe the 2032 only is used for the RTC. Sent from my iPhone ...nr4c. bill > On Aug 5, 2018, at 3:56 PM, Gary Smith wrote: > > The K3 I have been upgrading & maintaining > as my back-up radio for the K3s is 9-10 > years old, I bought this one used. I'm > thinking the battery is maybe old and > should be replaced with a new one. > > I have a GPSDO attached so frequency > stability should be maintained with the > battery loss. The clock I can sync with > the computer which is time corrected each > second... I have a backup configuration > saved via the K3 Utility. > > What is lost from memory that I need to > re-engage after the battery is replaced? > > Thanks, > > Gary > KA1J > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to nr4c at widomaker.com From aa4lr at arrl.net Sun Aug 5 16:29:11 2018 From: aa4lr at arrl.net (Bill Coleman) Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2018 16:29:11 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KAT100 - Reluctant to come on, K2 often displays "not inst" Message-ID: <2336AC02-9798-4F7C-866E-C82FA9B415DE@arrl.net> OK, I have a K2/100 (#2548) connected to a KAT100. As of late, the KAT100 has been reluctant to turn on. I turn on the K2, and it comes up right away, but the LEDs of the KAT100 often stay off for 20-30 seconds, then come on. When the KAT100 finally turns on, it often isn?t tracking lo-hi power, as I can rotate the power knob freely from <10 watts to >11 watts, and the KAT100 will stay stuck at a power level, usually low power. Also, if I try to change antennas, or tune, I?ll get a ?not inst? message. This situation persists for a while. If I let the rig warm up for about 15-20 minutes, I can eventually get the K2 to recognize the KAT100. I may have to cycle the power a half dozen times. I?ve verified with a scope that the KAT100 is getting the 12CTRL power immediately from the K2, and the internal power on the 5V regulator comes up immediately. It just seems to take it?s sweet time waking up. I think the fundamental problem may be that the KAT100 isn?t responding to AUXBUS messages at the right point in the power-up sequence, so the K2 assume it?s not installed. Would appreciate any suggestions on how to troubleshoot this. Bill Coleman, AA4LR, PP-ASEL Mail: aa4lr at arrl.net Web: http://boringhamradiopart.blogspot.com Quote: "Not within a thousand years will man ever fly!" -- Wilbur Wright, 1901 From aa4lr at arrl.net Sun Aug 5 16:50:34 2018 From: aa4lr at arrl.net (Bill Coleman) Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2018 16:50:34 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KAT100 - Reluctant to come on, K2 often displays "not inst" In-Reply-To: References: <2336AC02-9798-4F7C-866E-C82FA9B415DE@arrl.net> Message-ID: Yes, I have a cable that has the PowerPole connections to the K2/100, and a separate coaxial jack for the KAT100. I switch the power supply on, which means the KAT100 has power, then switch the K2/100 on, which powers up the combo. So, yeah, I have power applied to the KAT100 before the K2. > On Aug 5, 2018, at 4:39 PM, Jerry Ford wrote: > > Hi Bill: The K2 / KAT100 has a strange start up procedure you have to follow or the KAT100 will do strange things like you describe > > You have to apply power to the KAT100 before you apply power to the K2. IF you start the K2 first, you get all kinds of strange things going on. > > I have my KAT100 in a separate enclosure and on a separate power supply. I forget to start the KAT100 first at times and it does some of the > same things your seeing. > > Hope this helps. > > 73 Jerry N0JRN > > On Sun, Aug 5, 2018 at 3:29 PM, Bill Coleman wrote: > OK, I have a K2/100 (#2548) connected to a KAT100. > > As of late, the KAT100 has been reluctant to turn on. I turn on the K2, and it comes up right away, but the LEDs of the KAT100 often stay off for 20-30 seconds, then come on. > > When the KAT100 finally turns on, it often isn?t tracking lo-hi power, as I can rotate the power knob freely from <10 watts to >11 watts, and the KAT100 will stay stuck at a power level, usually low power. > > Also, if I try to change antennas, or tune, I?ll get a ?not inst? message. > > This situation persists for a while. If I let the rig warm up for about 15-20 minutes, I can eventually get the K2 to recognize the KAT100. I may have to cycle the power a half dozen times. > > I?ve verified with a scope that the KAT100 is getting the 12CTRL power immediately from the K2, and the internal power on the 5V regulator comes up immediately. It just seems to take it?s sweet time waking up. > > I think the fundamental problem may be that the KAT100 isn?t responding to AUXBUS messages at the right point in the power-up sequence, so the K2 assume it?s not installed. > > Would appreciate any suggestions on how to troubleshoot this. > > > Bill Coleman, AA4LR, PP-ASEL Mail: aa4lr at arrl.net > Web: http://boringhamradiopart.blogspot.com > Quote: "Not within a thousand years will man ever fly!" > -- Wilbur Wright, 1901 > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n0jrn1 at gmail.com > Bill Coleman, AA4LR, PP-ASEL Mail: aa4lr at arrl.net Web: http://boringhamradiopart.blogspot.com Quote: "Not within a thousand years will man ever fly!" -- Wilbur Wright, 1901 From donwilh at embarqmail.com Sun Aug 5 16:52:17 2018 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2018 16:52:17 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 replacing the Li battery In-Reply-To: <5B675688.29350.1C98F23B@Gary.ka1j.com> References: <5B675688.29350.1C98F23B@Gary.ka1j.com> Message-ID: <53a08072-48de-fd21-6b91-f5b2176593e3@embarqmail.com> Gary, The battery is only used for the real time clock - no memories involved. That battery should last as long as the battery other clocks using the same battery. The battery in my K3 is from 2008 and still works fine for me. 73, Don W3FPR On 8/5/2018 3:56 PM, Gary Smith wrote: > The K3 I have been upgrading & maintaining > as my back-up radio for the K3s is 9-10 > years old, I bought this one used. I'm > thinking the battery is maybe old and > should be replaced with a new one. > From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Sun Aug 5 17:09:21 2018 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2018 14:09:21 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Noise Cancelling Microphones (was Re: Noise cancelling headphones) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <497c7f6d-58c3-0781-49a0-d21c233b1c7c@audiosystemsgroup.com> On 8/5/2018 10:48 AM, ANDY DURBIN wrote: > Many/most aviation headsets use noise cancelling microphones but they are not active.? They simply sample most of the voice signal on the mouth side of the element and most of the noise on both sides of the element. Effective noise cancellation requires the microphone to be close to the lips. Not quite -- it's the cancellation of the output of two closely spaced mic capsules, and as you describe operation, it depends on the mic being right at the lips. This is the proper definition of a noise cancelling microphone. Noise cancelling microphones tend to sound varying degrees of awful. Many years ago, Shure, one of the better mic mfrs, tried to build a noise cancelling mic aimed at drummers. I tested a prototype in a high quality recording setup, and it sounded pretty bad. They never marketed it. Note that this definition is VERY different from a cardioid microphone, where a single capsule as two openings, one from the front and one from the rear, and the two types behave VERY differently.? Cardioid mics have a property called "proximity effect" which boosts bass response when the mic is very close to the sound source, making it sound rather muddy. When mics like this are used for singers and speech, their low frequency response is heavily rolled off. In some mics the rolloff is built in (the Shure SM57 and SM58 are examples), in some it is built in but switchable (the Shure SM81 is an example), while in others it is not built in, but applied in the mixer for sound reinforecment or recording. I mention this because many mfrs of headset mics falsely describe their cardioid mic as noise cancelling, which it is NOT. It IS a directional mic that rejects sound coming from directions other than the front. 73, Jim K9YC From donwilh at embarqmail.com Sun Aug 5 17:14:33 2018 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2018 17:14:33 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KAT100 - Reluctant to come on, K2 often displays "not inst" In-Reply-To: References: <2336AC02-9798-4F7C-866E-C82FA9B415DE@arrl.net> Message-ID: <89870705-4656-0083-0ac1-a2469f8a7762@embarqmail.com> Bill, Fine on the power sequence, but the Not Inst message indicates that either the Control Cable to the K2 is not fully plugged in (check both ends) or the cable has a bad connection, or that the firmware in the KAT100 is not being recognized. You should tighten the cable jackscrews to check the first, and for the last situation, try reseating the firmware IC in the KAT100. 73, Don W3FPR On 8/5/2018 4:50 PM, Bill Coleman wrote: > Yes, I have a cable that has the PowerPole connections to the K2/100, and a separate coaxial jack for the KAT100. > > I switch the power supply on, which means the KAT100 has power, then switch the K2/100 on, which powers up the combo. > > So, yeah, I have power applied to the KAT100 before the K2. > From aa4lr at arrl.net Sun Aug 5 17:36:42 2018 From: aa4lr at arrl.net (Bill Coleman) Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2018 17:36:42 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KAT100 - Reluctant to come on, K2 often displays "not inst" In-Reply-To: <89870705-4656-0083-0ac1-a2469f8a7762@embarqmail.com> References: <2336AC02-9798-4F7C-866E-C82FA9B415DE@arrl.net> <89870705-4656-0083-0ac1-a2469f8a7762@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <10F9E070-ABB9-41FB-BFB6-853398AC13BC@arrl.net> Jack screws appear to be tight on both ends. After I cycle the power 6-12 times, it will eventually come up. I wonder if I have a bad PIC chip in the KAT100. I may try an older version of the firmware, I think I have one. That will take a few days. I can put a scope on Pin 40 of the PIC chip. I see transitions. Anything I can diagnose with a scope? > On Aug 5, 2018, at 5:14 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > > Bill, > > Fine on the power sequence, but the Not Inst message indicates that either the Control Cable to the K2 is not fully plugged in (check both ends) or the cable has a bad connection, or that the firmware in the KAT100 is not being recognized. > > You should tighten the cable jackscrews to check the first, and for the last situation, try reseating the firmware IC in the KAT100. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 8/5/2018 4:50 PM, Bill Coleman wrote: >> Yes, I have a cable that has the PowerPole connections to the K2/100, and a separate coaxial jack for the KAT100. >> I switch the power supply on, which means the KAT100 has power, then switch the K2/100 on, which powers up the combo. >> So, yeah, I have power applied to the KAT100 before the K2. Bill Coleman, AA4LR, PP-ASEL Mail: aa4lr at arrl.net Web: http://boringhamradiopart.blogspot.com Quote: "Not within a thousand years will man ever fly!" -- Wilbur Wright, 1901 From awinger2011 at icloud.com Sun Aug 5 17:53:44 2018 From: awinger2011 at icloud.com (Albert Winger) Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2018 15:53:44 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Looking for a P3 Message-ID: <184C646B-5056-4605-94B9-098D296B1091@icloud.com> Hi I?m looking for a gently used P3. If anyone has one for sale please contact me directly. awinger2011 at icloud.com Thanks 73 Al W1NGA Monument, CO From n6kr at elecraft.com Sun Aug 5 18:35:16 2018 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2018 15:35:16 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Will be on Elecraft CW net today, 0000Z Message-ID: <6667D5B6-90F0-4838-BCF5-4A545DDAD41C@elecraft.com> Hi all, Seems like I?m always busy around net time on Sundays, but not today. Hope to hear some of you on 7045 at 0000Z. BTW, I *think* I heard the net on 20 m today (14050 at 2200Z). Too much local noise to hear net control, though. Very weak. (Where?s that 6 over 6 when I need it?) Wayne N6KR ---- http://www.elecraft.com From kevinr at coho.net Sun Aug 5 18:39:29 2018 From: kevinr at coho.net (kevinr) Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2018 15:39:29 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Will be on Elecraft CW net today, 0000Z In-Reply-To: <6667D5B6-90F0-4838-BCF5-4A545DDAD41C@elecraft.com> References: <6667D5B6-90F0-4838-BCF5-4A545DDAD41C@elecraft.com> Message-ID: Hi Wayne, ??? I was not able to work anyone west of the Rockies on 20 meters.? I will listen for you in about 90 minutes. ?????? Kevin.? KD5ONS On 08/05/2018 03:35 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > Hi all, > > Seems like I?m always busy around net time on Sundays, but not today. Hope to hear some of you on 7045 at 0000Z. > > BTW, I *think* I heard the net on 20 m today (14050 at 2200Z). Too much local noise to hear net control, though. Very weak. (Where?s that 6 over 6 when I need it?) > > Wayne > N6KR > > ---- > http://www.elecraft.com From donwilh at embarqmail.com Sun Aug 5 19:02:34 2018 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2018 19:02:34 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KAT100 - Reluctant to come on, K2 often displays "not inst" In-Reply-To: <10F9E070-ABB9-41FB-BFB6-853398AC13BC@arrl.net> References: <2336AC02-9798-4F7C-866E-C82FA9B415DE@arrl.net> <89870705-4656-0083-0ac1-a2469f8a7762@embarqmail.com> <10F9E070-ABB9-41FB-BFB6-853398AC13BC@arrl.net> Message-ID: <9e5a1f75-f2b4-bc0b-4d58-fba815734008@embarqmail.com> Bill, If it were a bad PIC chip, the results would be consistent. Reseat the KAT100 firmware Ic to clear away oxidation. Look for a flaky connection on the Control cable - at both ends. There is not much that you can diagnose with a 'scope other than to determine that the chip is getting transitions to it. If you want to reverse engineer the K2 AUXBUS, then you could make some determination of the AUXBUS correctness, but that is a difficult exercise in futility IMHO. 73, Don W3FPR On 8/5/2018 5:36 PM, Bill Coleman wrote: > Jack screws appear to be tight on both ends. > > After I cycle the power 6-12 times, it will eventually come up. I wonder if I have a bad PIC chip in the KAT100. I may try an older version of the firmware, I think I have one. That will take a few days. > > I can put a scope on Pin 40 of the PIC chip. I see transitions. Anything I can diagnose with a scope? > > From rmcgraw at blomand.net Sun Aug 5 19:29:48 2018 From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX) Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2018 18:29:48 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KAT100 - Reluctant to come on, K2 often displays "not inst" In-Reply-To: <9e5a1f75-f2b4-bc0b-4d58-fba815734008@embarqmail.com> References: <2336AC02-9798-4F7C-866E-C82FA9B415DE@arrl.net> <89870705-4656-0083-0ac1-a2469f8a7762@embarqmail.com> <10F9E070-ABB9-41FB-BFB6-853398AC13BC@arrl.net> <9e5a1f75-f2b4-bc0b-4d58-fba815734008@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <13B348C0-C4E5-42CB-8359-66BB27B4CDCA@blomand.net> I would configure the station power such that the tuner is powered from the switched source on the radio. Thus the power supply is on first and then the radio is turned on and powers the tuner at the same time. Bob, K4TAX Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 5, 2018, at 6:02 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > > Bill, > > If it were a bad PIC chip, the results would be consistent. Reseat the KAT100 firmware Ic to clear away oxidation. > Look for a flaky connection on the Control cable - at both ends. > > There is not much that you can diagnose with a 'scope other than to determine that the chip is getting transitions to it. > If you want to reverse engineer the K2 AUXBUS, then you could make some determination of the AUXBUS correctness, but that is a difficult exercise in futility IMHO. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > >> On 8/5/2018 5:36 PM, Bill Coleman wrote: >> Jack screws appear to be tight on both ends. >> >> After I cycle the power 6-12 times, it will eventually come up. I wonder if I have a bad PIC chip in the KAT100. I may try an older version of the firmware, I think I have one. That will take a few days. >> >> I can put a scope on Pin 40 of the PIC chip. I see transitions. Anything I can diagnose with a scope? >> >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to rmcgraw at blomand.net > From kevinr at coho.net Sun Aug 5 21:16:02 2018 From: kevinr at coho.net (kevinr) Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2018 18:16:02 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Report Message-ID: <305c0627-8814-2a27-af2f-50eaa69dee3a@coho.net> Good Evening, ?? Twenty meters was quiet and weak with moderate QSB.? Forty meters was such that none of the people I called could hear any of the others.? At times I was trying to work three signals at once. But even though the order may be off we got it done.? Except for dragging in WG7??? Forty meters was noisy from a number of sources, QSB was higher, and the band was weak except to WM5F and W6JHB.? However, when forty meters gets to this stage the next few nets are usually better. ?? Over the last couple of weeks I have noticed the transition into fall.? Grass is turning brown.? The sun is setting noticeably earlier, the hummingbirds are thinning out, the salmon berries are almost gone, and the foxgloves have gotten the the very last blossom.? It's time to start gathering wood before the winter rains make the tracks too muddy. ?? Hopefully they'll find a way to put out all the fires we have out west.? I read this article earlier today proposing a concussive means of separating flame from fuel. https://warontherocks.com/2018/08/shocking-wildfires-into-submission-a-proposal/ Whatever helps them gain control of these firestorms is OK with me; even if it is loud. ? On 14050.5 kHz at 2200z: K6XK - Roy - IA AB9V - Mike - IN W0CZ - Ken - ND ? On 7045 kHz at 0000z: WM5F - Dwight - ID K0DTJ - Brian - CA K6PJV - Dale - CA W6JHB - Jim - CA N6KR - Wayne - CA WG7(X?) pieced together from a number of folks but no response on call. ?? 73, ?????? Kevin.? KD5ONS From dave.scarfe at gmail.com Sun Aug 5 23:15:06 2018 From: dave.scarfe at gmail.com (Dave Scarfe) Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2018 21:15:06 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Panadapter shift when filter switched in Message-ID: Hi, I have a K3s with a 400hz filter. I am using an SDRPlay (HDSDR) connected to the IF out port. When the 400Hz filter activated using the xfil button or tuning the DSP), the signal on the panadapter shifts up approximately 1.5khz. It seems to happen on all bands/modes. Any help very much appreciated! 73, Dave VE5UO From dwightanderson at roadrunner.com Mon Aug 6 00:04:44 2018 From: dwightanderson at roadrunner.com (Dwight Anderson) Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2018 21:04:44 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Report In-Reply-To: <305c0627-8814-2a27-af2f-50eaa69dee3a@coho.net> References: <305c0627-8814-2a27-af2f-50eaa69dee3a@coho.net> Message-ID: <001801d42d3a$9df41840$d9dc48c0$@roadrunner.com> Hello Kevin; You make this net such great fun! Just saying thanks! Dwight WM5F -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of kevinr Sent: Sunday, August 5, 2018 6:16 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Report Good Evening, Twenty meters was quiet and weak with moderate QSB. Forty meters was such that none of the people I called could hear any of the others. At times I was trying to work three signals at once. But even though the order may be off we got it done. Except for dragging in WG7?? Forty meters was noisy from a number of sources, QSB was higher, and the band was weak except to WM5F and W6JHB. However, when forty meters gets to this stage the next few nets are usually better. Over the last couple of weeks I have noticed the transition into fall. Grass is turning brown. The sun is setting noticeably earlier, the hummingbirds are thinning out, the salmon berries are almost gone, and the foxgloves have gotten the the very last blossom. It's time to start gathering wood before the winter rains make the tracks too muddy. Hopefully they'll find a way to put out all the fires we have out west. I read this article earlier today proposing a concussive means of separating flame from fuel. https://warontherocks.com/2018/08/shocking-wildfires-into-submission-a-proposal/ Whatever helps them gain control of these firestorms is OK with me; even if it is loud. On 14050.5 kHz at 2200z: K6XK - Roy - IA AB9V - Mike - IN W0CZ - Ken - ND On 7045 kHz at 0000z: WM5F - Dwight - ID K0DTJ - Brian - CA K6PJV - Dale - CA W6JHB - Jim - CA N6KR - Wayne - CA WG7(X?) pieced together from a number of folks but no response on call. 73, Kevin. KD5ONS ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to dwightanderson at roadrunner.com From tomb18 at videotron.ca Mon Aug 6 02:41:44 2018 From: tomb18 at videotron.ca (tomb18) Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2018 02:41:44 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Panadapter shift when filter switched in In-Reply-To: Message-ID: HiMany sdr packages do not present an accurate output based on mode and filters when fed from the if out. Hdsdr is one of them.73 tomva2fsq.com Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. -------- Original message --------From: Dave Scarfe Date: 2018-08-05 11:15 PM (GMT-05:00) To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] Panadapter shift when filter switched in Hi, I have a K3s with a 400hz filter.? I am using an SDRPlay (HDSDR) connected to the IF out port.? When the 400Hz filter activated using the xfil button or tuning the DSP), the signal on the panadapter shifts up approximately 1.5khz.? It seems to happen on all bands/modes. Any help very much appreciated! 73, Dave VE5UO ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to tomb18 at videotron.ca From ha4zd at t-online.hu Mon Aug 6 05:07:29 2018 From: ha4zd at t-online.hu (=?UTF-8?B?U3phYsOzIElzdHbDoW4=?=) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2018 11:07:29 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] Heil Proset Message-ID: I have to repeatedly replace the cable of my Proset. Is there a solution for more robust wiring or I should simply forget this headset? 73, Istv?n ha4zd From aa4lr at arrl.net Mon Aug 6 07:00:21 2018 From: aa4lr at arrl.net (Bill Coleman) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2018 07:00:21 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KAT100 - Reluctant to come on, K2 often displays "not inst" In-Reply-To: <13B348C0-C4E5-42CB-8359-66BB27B4CDCA@blomand.net> References: <2336AC02-9798-4F7C-866E-C82FA9B415DE@arrl.net> <89870705-4656-0083-0ac1-a2469f8a7762@embarqmail.com> <10F9E070-ABB9-41FB-BFB6-853398AC13BC@arrl.net> <9e5a1f75-f2b4-bc0b-4d58-fba815734008@embarqmail.com> <13B348C0-C4E5-42CB-8359-66BB27B4CDCA@blomand.net> Message-ID: <52CE3F46-D98D-496F-B677-A32C4BD7861A@arrl.net> That?s not the way Elecraft recommends. The KAT100 contains an electronic switching mechanism. Power must be present at the KAT100 coaxial connection before the K2 is switched on. The KAT100 uses the 12CTRL voltage from the DB-9 connector to turn on it?s internal supply. > On Aug 5, 2018, at 7:29 PM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote: > > I would configure the station power such that the tuner is powered from the switched source on the radio. Thus the power supply is on first and then the radio is turned on and powers the tuner at the same time. > > Bob, K4TAX > > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Aug 5, 2018, at 6:02 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: >> >> Bill, >> >> If it were a bad PIC chip, the results would be consistent. Reseat the KAT100 firmware Ic to clear away oxidation. >> Look for a flaky connection on the Control cable - at both ends. >> >> There is not much that you can diagnose with a 'scope other than to determine that the chip is getting transitions to it. >> If you want to reverse engineer the K2 AUXBUS, then you could make some determination of the AUXBUS correctness, but that is a difficult exercise in futility IMHO. >> >> 73, >> Don W3FPR >> >>> On 8/5/2018 5:36 PM, Bill Coleman wrote: >>> Jack screws appear to be tight on both ends. >>> >>> After I cycle the power 6-12 times, it will eventually come up. I wonder if I have a bad PIC chip in the KAT100. I may try an older version of the firmware, I think I have one. That will take a few days. >>> >>> I can put a scope on Pin 40 of the PIC chip. I see transitions. Anything I can diagnose with a scope? >>> >>> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to rmcgraw at blomand.net >> > > Bill Coleman, AA4LR, PP-ASEL Mail: aa4lr at arrl.net Web: http://boringhamradiopart.blogspot.com Quote: "Not within a thousand years will man ever fly!" -- Wilbur Wright, 1901 From aa4lr at arrl.net Mon Aug 6 07:05:03 2018 From: aa4lr at arrl.net (Bill Coleman) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2018 07:05:03 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KAT100 - Reluctant to come on, K2 often displays "not inst" In-Reply-To: <9e5a1f75-f2b4-bc0b-4d58-fba815734008@embarqmail.com> References: <2336AC02-9798-4F7C-866E-C82FA9B415DE@arrl.net> <89870705-4656-0083-0ac1-a2469f8a7762@embarqmail.com> <10F9E070-ABB9-41FB-BFB6-853398AC13BC@arrl.net> <9e5a1f75-f2b4-bc0b-4d58-fba815734008@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <5E1E252C-82EA-4AA2-AB53-DEDE39E21D39@arrl.net> I pulled out the KAT100 PIC chip and re-inserted. No change. I can confirm that transition ARE reaching Pin 40 on the KAT100 PIC chip. I see roughly three bursts. Two come shortly after turn-on, the third comes a second later. I think you?d need a storage scope or logic analyzer to reverse engineer the AUXBUS. I don?t have that kind of equipment available. > On Aug 5, 2018, at 7:02 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > > Bill, > > If it were a bad PIC chip, the results would be consistent. Reseat the KAT100 firmware Ic to clear away oxidation. > Look for a flaky connection on the Control cable - at both ends. > > There is not much that you can diagnose with a 'scope other than to determine that the chip is getting transitions to it. > If you want to reverse engineer the K2 AUXBUS, then you could make some determination of the AUXBUS correctness, but that is a difficult exercise in futility IMHO. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 8/5/2018 5:36 PM, Bill Coleman wrote: >> Jack screws appear to be tight on both ends. >> >> After I cycle the power 6-12 times, it will eventually come up. I wonder if I have a bad PIC chip in the KAT100. I may try an older version of the firmware, I think I have one. That will take a few days. >> >> I can put a scope on Pin 40 of the PIC chip. I see transitions. Anything I can diagnose with a scope? >> >> > Bill Coleman, AA4LR, PP-ASEL Mail: aa4lr at arrl.net Web: http://boringhamradiopart.blogspot.com Quote: "Not within a thousand years will man ever fly!" -- Wilbur Wright, 1901 From ve3iay at gmail.com Mon Aug 6 07:46:18 2018 From: ve3iay at gmail.com (Richard Ferch) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2018 07:46:18 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Panadapter shift when filter switched in Message-ID: Do you have any 5-pole roofing filters? In particular, is your wide filter a 5-pole 2.7 kHz filter or an 8-pole 2.8 kHz filter? The 5-pole filters have an offset, which is written on the filter and which is entered into the firmware with the CONFIG:FLx FRQ menu entry (or by using the K3 Utility). When a filter with an offset is selected, the IF changes by the amount of the offset. For example, if you have a filter with an offset of 1.0 kHz, then when that filter is selected, the centre of the IF bandpass is actually moved by 1 kHz relative to where it is when using a filter with no offset. If your panadapter takes its input from the IF Out port, input signals will move when you switch the receiver between filters whose offsets are different from one another. There is also a per-mode offset between SSB modes and CW, AM or FM. This is not actually a change in IF frequency, but rather a change in the way the radio's dial frequency is related to the receiver's bandpass. In CW, AM and FM, the receiver's bandpass is centred on the dial frequency. In FSK D or AFSK A, the receiver's bandpass is centred between the mark and space tones, i.e. 85 Hz away from the dial frequency. In SSB or DATA A, the receiver's bandpass is centred above (USB and DATA A) or below (LSB) the dial frequency by approximately half the audio bandwidth (more accurately, by the DSP filter Fc setting). If the panadapter uses the dial frequency to label frequencies in the display, simply changing modes will result in a shift in the displayed signal relative to the frequency markers. There are a couple of other things that affect the relationship between the IF Out signal and the frequency displayed on a panadapter. One is the filter Shift control (or Hi-Cut and Lo-Cut controls) - when the filter Fc is moved, so is the IF relative to the signal frequency. Another was mentioned by Wayne in a recent post on another thread: in CW, with some combinations of sidetone pitch (low) and DSP filter bandwidth (high), the firmware moves the IF centre frequency to ensure that the low edge of the audio bandpass stays away from zero. Both of these effects are usually quite a bit smaller than the mode-to-mode or crystal filter offset differences, but they can be seen easily enough when you zoom in the panadapter display. There is a radio control command specific to the K3/K3S that software and the P3 can use in order to adjust the frequency display markings to compensate for these offsets, but generic software like HDSDR doesn't use that command. 73, Rich VE3KI VE5UO wrote: Hi, I have a K3s with a 400hz filter. I am using an SDRPlay (HDSDR) connected to the IF out port. When the 400Hz filter activated using the xfil button or tuning the DSP), the signal on the panadapter shifts up approximately 1.5khz. It seems to happen on all bands/modes. From oz7bq at yahoo.dk Mon Aug 6 10:35:51 2018 From: oz7bq at yahoo.dk (Hans J Rasmusen) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2018 16:35:51 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] Connecting a KXUSB to the K2 RS232 Message-ID: All, During the past weekend I pulled my faithful K2 out for the EUHFContest. I found a RS232 to USB cable locally, but it does not connect. Is there a way I can check if the chip works correctly? I have a couple of KXUSB on hand. Is there any reason that I can not or should not connect the KXSUB Tip to Pin 3, the Ring to the Pin 2 and the Sleeve to Pin 5 of the DB9F connector (from the K2)? I should then be able to key and control the K2 from N1MM logger, as I do my KX3. By the way, the K2 CW sound beats all, my KX3 included. Thanks 73 Hans J?rgen (Joe) OZ7BQ Sendt fra min iPhone From donwilh at embarqmail.com Mon Aug 6 11:01:32 2018 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2018 11:01:32 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Connecting a KXUSB to the K2 RS232 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2d795b49-2d46-4aec-5dfd-a20d24795656@embarqmail.com> Hans, Do not connect a standard serial cable or a USB to serial adapter to the K2 AUX IO connector - keep in mind that it is not labeled "RS-232" for a reason. Yes, you can make an adapter to connect the KXUSB to the K2. A 3.5mm jack and a DE9 male connector as well as 3 wires are needed. Connect the KXUSB tip to the DE9 pin 3, the ring to pin 2 and the Sleeve to pin 5. If you have the QRP K2 and want to really be 'clever', you could mount the jack on the rear panel of the QRP top and wire to the back side of the DE9 connector pins on the KIO2. If you have the KPA100, there is no room on the rear panel and you will have to build the external adapter. 73, Don W3FPR On 8/6/2018 10:35 AM, Hans J Rasmusen via Elecraft wrote: > All, > During the past weekend I pulled my faithful K2 out for the EUHFContest. > I found a RS232 to USB cable locally, but it does not connect. Is there a way I can check if the chip works correctly? > > I have a couple of KXUSB on hand. Is there any reason that I can not or should not connect the KXSUB Tip to Pin 3, the Ring to the Pin 2 and the Sleeve to Pin 5 of the DB9F connector (from the K2)? > I should then be able to key and control the K2 from N1MM logger, as I do my KX3. > > By the way, the K2 CW sound beats all, my KX3 included. > From donwilh at embarqmail.com Mon Aug 6 11:11:42 2018 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2018 11:11:42 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Connecting a KXUSB to the K2 RS232 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7310b2ec-ae5f-8fc5-a179-4f2465e44c4e@embarqmail.com> Hans, Does the USB to RS-232 cable have an FTDI chipset? I know that works OK with the K2 (at least the one used in the KUSB). Others fail with the slow 4800 baud rate required by the K2. I have had good success with my Edgeport serial converter as well. A Prolific chipset adapter may or may not work. You still need to build a cable having only 3 conductors to isolate the non RS-232 pins from the serial port, even though it may be short. The AUX IO to PC cable is shown in the KIO2 and the KPA100 manual. 73, Don W3FPR On 8/6/2018 10:35 AM, Hans J Rasmusen via Elecraft wrote: > All, > During the past weekend I pulled my faithful K2 out for the EUHFContest. > I found a RS232 to USB cable locally, but it does not connect. Is there a way I can check if the chip works correctly? > > I have a couple of KXUSB on hand. Is there any reason that I can not or should not connect the KXSUB Tip to Pin 3, the Ring to the Pin 2 and the Sleeve to Pin 5 of the DB9F connector (from the K2)? > I should then be able to key and control the K2 from N1MM logger, as I do my KX3. > > By the way, the K2 CW sound beats all, my KX3 included. > > Thanks 73 > Hans J?rgen (Joe) > OZ7BQ > > Sendt fra min iPhone > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to donwilh at embarqmail.com > From marklgoldberg at gmail.com Mon Aug 6 11:17:11 2018 From: marklgoldberg at gmail.com (Mark Goldberg) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2018 08:17:11 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KXUSB Signal Levels Was: Re: Connecting a KXUSB to the K2 RS232 Message-ID: HI, can you confirm that the KXUSB uses TTL signal levels rather than standard RS232 levels? I got an extra one with my PX3 and repurposed it to talk to a GPSDO that requires TTL serial levels and it seems to work fine. I just put a 3.5mm TRS jack on the GPSDO. 73, Mark W7MLG On Mon, Aug 6, 2018 at 8:01 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > Hans, > > Do not connect a standard serial cable or a USB to serial adapter to the > K2 AUX IO connector - keep in mind that it is not labeled "RS-232" for a > reason. > > Yes, you can make an adapter to connect the KXUSB to the K2. A 3.5mm jack > and a DE9 male connector as well as 3 wires are needed. > Connect the KXUSB tip to the DE9 pin 3, the ring to pin 2 and the Sleeve > to pin 5. > From donwilh at embarqmail.com Mon Aug 6 11:38:59 2018 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2018 11:38:59 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KXUSB Signal Levels Was: Re: Connecting a KXUSB to the K2 RS232 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <92985086-819d-4764-a31f-ccd4360e33bf@embarqmail.com> Mark, All I can tell you is that the KX2/KX3 and XG3 will respond to input levels (on the tip) from 3.3 volts up to the maximum RS-232 voltage.? The output (ring) from the XG2 is an FET drain connected to a drain resistor which connects to +9 volts.? I don't know about the KX2 or KX3. 73, Don W3FPR On 8/6/2018 11:17 AM, Mark Goldberg wrote: > HI, can you confirm that the KXUSB uses TTL signal levels rather than > standard RS232 levels? I got an extra one with my PX3 and repurposed > it to talk to a GPSDO that requires TTL serial levels and it seems to > work fine. I just put a 3.5mm TRS jack on the GPSDO. > From Gary at ka1j.com Mon Aug 6 12:40:26 2018 From: Gary at ka1j.com (Gary Smith) Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2018 12:40:26 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Thank you to Elecraft Message-ID: <5B6879FA.15694.210B5A0E@Gary.ka1j.com> Between my recent orders to upgrade my Backup K3 and my recent service (update) to my K3s which just returned today, I want to thank anyone from Elecraft who may read this. My K3s was attended to quickly and returned in marvelous condition and thank you for the updates. The shipping of the items for the K3 was done expeditiously and the quality of communication was to my estimation, perfect. To be exact: Every communication I have ever had with Elecraft be it from reception, orders, tech help, fairness in pricing to shipping has been an exemplary experience which dates back to my first contact in 2008. I could not ask for more and I am truly satisfied with this experience. If everyone else provided this quality of product and support, I'd never know just how good it really is. I'm just saying. 73, Gary KA1J From zabarnick at gmail.com Mon Aug 6 13:59:31 2018 From: zabarnick at gmail.com (Steve Zabarnick) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2018 13:59:31 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] W1SERKT vs KXSER cables Message-ID: With the recent purchase of a KX3, I was wondering if my W1SERKT cable (W1 wattmeter serial data cable) will work in place of the KX3's KXSER cable? Both seem to be 3.5 mm TRS to DB9 serial cables. Steve N9SZ From a.durbin at msn.com Mon Aug 6 14:45:42 2018 From: a.durbin at msn.com (ANDY DURBIN) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2018 18:45:42 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] KXUSB Signal Levels Was: Re: Connecting a KXUSB to the K2 RS232 Message-ID: "can you confirm that the KXUSB uses TTL signal levels rather than standard RS232 levels? " I just put a scope on a breakout of the signals between a KXUSB and my KAT500. I needed to do this for another purpose anyway. The simple answer seems to be the (my) interface is neither TTL nor RS232 compliant for voltage. The PC out data swings between 0 V and 5 V. The response data from KAT500 swings between 0 V and 9.4 V but with horrible negative going spikes at each return to zero. Now I don't know if I should interrogate my KAT500 with RS232 or TTL. I certainly can't feed the KAT500 responses to the low level inputs of an Arduino. However, it would seem to be safe to use the KXUSB to interface with a TLL compatible device. 73, Andy k3wyc From billclarke at nycap.rr.com Mon Aug 6 15:51:27 2018 From: billclarke at nycap.rr.com (Bill) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2018 15:51:27 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Thank you to Elecraft In-Reply-To: <5B6879FA.15694.210B5A0E@Gary.ka1j.com> References: <5B6879FA.15694.210B5A0E@Gary.ka1j.com> Message-ID: <1db0d452-a648-951c-ca36-7a85427d639e@nycap.rr.com> Over the years I have owned most everything and dealt with all the various manufacturers. None have been more pleasing to work with than Elecraft. NONE!!! Some hams look at the bottom line as price. Myself, I look for QUALITY. Quality of the product and quality of the after sale service. Needless to say, I am totally pleased with my purchases from Elecraft. Bill W2BLC K-Line From w7hsg at comcast.net Mon Aug 6 16:12:41 2018 From: w7hsg at comcast.net (Ralph S. Turk) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2018 14:12:41 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 & KPA 500 Message-ID: <21959527.827596.1533586362396@connect.xfinity.com> Hi all Looking for a used KAT 500 & KPA 500 Ralph, W7HSG From k9jri at mac.com Mon Aug 6 16:57:19 2018 From: k9jri at mac.com (Michael Blake) Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2018 16:57:19 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Thank you to Elecraft In-Reply-To: <5B6879FA.15694.210B5A0E@Gary.ka1j.com> References: <5B6879FA.15694.210B5A0E@Gary.ka1j.com> Message-ID: This has been a very interesting thread for me. I too am a very satisfied elecraft customer, mainly as a result of EXCELLENT service. I have a T1, SG3, KX3, PX3, K3s, SP3, KPA500 and KAT500. When the KX3 was about 10 months old I noticed that a couple of the yellow painted letters on the face plate were popping off. The faceplate was quickly replaced. My KPA500 had a very unusual fault in that 4 of the PEM nuts in the bottom chassis plate were the wrong thread size. Once diagnosed the bottom plate was quickly replaced I I rebuilt the amplifier. After about 6 months I turned on the station and keyed a couple of ?dits? on the paddle and the KPA500 blew the tops off of both output FETS. Elecraft quickly had a replacement power module on the way to me. This week I finally figured out that a distorted SSB audio report I received since I built the K3s as really present only when using more than 12 watts output. Whenever the KPA3A kicked in there was a noticeable distortion on my signal. You guessed it, a replacement KPA3A module was in the mail and should arrive this Wednesday, Their service is excellent and I am a VERY SATISFIED customer. My wife?s comment, on learning that I was waiting for another replacement part, was ?you certainly seem to have a lot of problems with that stuff?. Go figure :) Oh yeah, I am also a MAC lover :) Very 73 - Mike - K9JRI > On Aug 6, 2018, at 12:40 PM, Gary Smith wrote: > > Between my recent orders to upgrade my > Backup K3 and my recent service (update) > to my K3s which just returned today, I > want to thank anyone from Elecraft who may > read this. > > My K3s was attended to quickly and > returned in marvelous condition and thank > you for the updates. The shipping of the > items for the K3 was done expeditiously > and the quality of communication was to my > estimation, perfect. > > To be exact: Every communication I have > ever had with Elecraft be it from > reception, orders, tech help, fairness in > pricing to shipping has been an exemplary > experience which dates back to my first > contact in 2008. > > I could not ask for more and I am truly > satisfied with this experience. If > everyone else provided this quality of > product and support, I'd never know just > how good it really is. > > I'm just saying. > > 73, > > Gary > KA1J > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k9jri at mac.com From eric at elecraft.com Mon Aug 6 18:48:13 2018 From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2018 15:48:13 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 Remote Software Update In-Reply-To: <004701d42998$357b5530$a071ff90$@arrl.net> References: <004701d42998$357b5530$a071ff90$@arrl.net> Message-ID: It will be up on the website a little later this week. We're finishing up testing and should have it up shortly. 73, Eric /elecraft.com/ On 8/1/2018 6:04 AM, Paul Christensen wrote: >> "The link will be back soon. We found a few bugs in the remote sw and > temporarily > pulled it from the ftp site. Stay tuned! We'll announce here when it is > back up next week. > Eric /elecraft.com/" > > Any further updates on when the KPA1500 Remote Software will become > available for download? > > Paul, W9AC > > > > > On 7/17/2018 10:00 PM, Paul Baldock wrote: >> Listed under new features for 01.64 7-12-2018 is >> > 1_0_4_0.exe>Support for Elecraft Remote Software, ver 1.0.4.0. >> >> This suggests that the remote software is now available. However the link >> appears not to work. Is the remote software in fact available somewhere? >> >> - Paul KW7Y > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to eric.swartz at elecraft.com From eric at elecraft.com Mon Aug 6 18:54:53 2018 From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2018 15:54:53 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Which interface will the KPA1500 remote app use? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Either :-) 73, Eric /elecraft.com/ On 7/23/2018 9:48 PM, Hisashi T Fujinaka wrote: > I'm wondering if it's USB or Ethernet, since I may need to buy some more > cables at the store tomorrow depending on which it is. > > Thanks! > From eric at elecraft.com Mon Aug 6 18:59:13 2018 From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2018 15:59:13 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 Client/Server Software In-Reply-To: <004c01d40e0d$71e7b000$55b71000$@arrl.net> References: <004c01d40e0d$71e7b000$55b71000$@arrl.net> Message-ID: <1673cbce-ad7d-0460-9849-4d82a82c016e@elecraft.com> The KPA1500 Remote s/w, which should be on our website later this week, supports both a local operation via direct connection via USB or ethernet to the amp. This s/w also supports client/server operation when there is a computer running the K3Remote s/w at each end. (with the same user interface.) Stay tuned! :-) 73, Eric /elecraft.com/ On 6/27/2018 4:53 AM, Paul Christensen wrote: > Is there any news from Elecraft or a third-party developer concerning > KPA1500 client/server software? Some of us, and likely many more ops, need > the ability to control the amp from a remote desktop without the need of > desktop replication software like TeamViewer and VNC. N4CC and I share his > KPA1500 at a remote and while the KPA1500 setup utility gets the job done, > it's a poor user experience. > > What's needed is a highly graphical client/server application similar to the > type designed by Bernd Koch, DF3CB for the Alpha 87A amplifier. That > package has client and server components, and the GUI is a high-resolution > graphic of the amplifier complete with switches, LEDs, panel graphics, even > the logo. Clicking on the GUI is just like finger presses on the actual > amp. It would be great to utilize the KPA1500's Ethernet port but even > client/server connectivity via USB is fine for now -- just to get something > going other than the KPA1500 setup utility. > > I'm willing to help finance the development to get something moving along > now and not some TBD date in the future. > > Paul, W9AC > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to eric.swartz at elecraft.com From paul at paulbaldock.com Mon Aug 6 19:06:40 2018 From: paul at paulbaldock.com (Paul Baldock) Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2018 16:06:40 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 Client/Server Software In-Reply-To: <1673cbce-ad7d-0460-9849-4d82a82c016e@elecraft.com> References: <004c01d40e0d$71e7b000$55b71000$@arrl.net> <1673cbce-ad7d-0460-9849-4d82a82c016e@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <5b68d482.1c69fb81.e67f4.8a58@mx.google.com> At 03:59 PM 8/6/2018, you wrote: >The KPA1500 Remote s/w, which should be on our website later this >week, supports both a local operation via direct connection via USB >or ethernet to the amp. Will I be able to control the KPA1500 using 2 different programs simultaneously, one talking via Ethernet and one via USB, without conflict? - Paul KW7Y From k6dgw at foothill.net Mon Aug 6 19:40:54 2018 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2018 16:40:54 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - Persistent channel hopping on a band Message-ID: <71f79f0b-38a3-7149-9b84-ac2ee306c8cb@foothill.net> Is there a way to to make channel hopping persistent on a given band, like 5 MHz?? I can set it up and it works fine, even with the KPOD knob, but if I go to another band and then come back, the memory channels have reverted back to frequency.? It's no big deal ... M>V, find channel 51, M>V again, just wondering if I'm missing something.? The manual tells me how to get into channel hopping, it doesn't tell me how to keep it there with a temp band change.? Maybe that's because you can't do it? 73, Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW Sparks NV DM09dn Washoe County From c-hawley at illinois.edu Mon Aug 6 19:43:18 2018 From: c-hawley at illinois.edu (hawley, charles j jr) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2018 23:43:18 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - Persistent channel hopping on a band In-Reply-To: <71f79f0b-38a3-7149-9b84-ac2ee306c8cb@foothill.net> References: <71f79f0b-38a3-7149-9b84-ac2ee306c8cb@foothill.net> Message-ID: An example of what you put in memory? Chuck Jack KE9UW Sent from my iPhone, cjack > On Aug 6, 2018, at 6:41 PM, Fred Jensen wrote: > > Is there a way to to make channel hopping persistent on a given band, like 5 MHz? I can set it up and it works fine, even with the KPOD knob, but if I go to another band and then come back, the memory channels have reverted back to frequency. It's no big deal ... M>V, find channel 51, M>V again, just wondering if I'm missing something. The manual tells me how to get into channel hopping, it doesn't tell me how to keep it there with a temp band change. Maybe that's because you can't do it? > > 73, > > Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW > Sparks NV DM09dn > Washoe County > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to c-hawley at illinois.edu From a.durbin at msn.com Mon Aug 6 19:53:19 2018 From: a.durbin at msn.com (ANDY DURBIN) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2018 23:53:19 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] KXUSB Signal Levels Was: Re: Connecting a KXUSB to the K2 RS232 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "but with horrible negative going spikes at each return to zero" I need to correct that. The spikes are somewhat random. For some interrogation responses the data word is completely free of negative going spikes. For other responses there are multiple negative going spikes. When the spikes are present they are undershoots and ringing that happens on the falling edge of the data. I have not found any pattern to the occurrence and cannot rule out the possibility that it is a measurement artifact. Anyone else willing to scope the PC data output of a KAT500? Any comment or explanation from Elecraft? 73, Andy k3wyc From awinger2011 at icloud.com Mon Aug 6 19:59:39 2018 From: awinger2011 at icloud.com (Albert Winger) Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2018 17:59:39 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Found P3 Message-ID: <47D0F75A-CED3-4A50-AF57-1726291C4C00@icloud.com> Update. I have purchased a P3. There is no need for anyone to locate one for me. Thanks 73 Al W1NGA Monument, CO From w7hsg at comcast.net Mon Aug 6 21:02:44 2018 From: w7hsg at comcast.net (Ralph S. Turk) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2018 19:02:44 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 & KPA 500 In-Reply-To: <21959527.827596.1533586362396@connect.xfinity.com> References: <21959527.827596.1533586362396@connect.xfinity.com> Message-ID: <447607278.836744.1533603765612@connect.xfinity.com> I have found a KPA 500. Still looking for a used KAT 500 Ralph, W7HSG/AFA9RT > On August 6, 2018 at 2:12 PM "Ralph S. Turk" wrote: > Hi all > Looking for a used KAT 500 & KPA 500 > > Ralph, W7HSG > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to w7hsg at comcast.net From htodd at twofifty.com Mon Aug 6 21:03:52 2018 From: htodd at twofifty.com (Hisashi T Fujinaka) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2018 18:03:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Elecraft] Which interface will the KPA1500 remote app use? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Yeah, I figured it out, and also figured out the NUC I got to sit at the radio site is unnecessary when using RRC & K3/0. Oh well. Now if I could keep the RF out of my RRC, I'd run more than 100W out of my KPA1500. On Mon, 6 Aug 2018, Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft wrote: > Either :-) > > 73, > Eric > elecraft.com > > On 7/23/2018 9:48 PM, Hisashi T Fujinaka wrote: > I'm wondering if it's USB or Ethernet, since I may need to buy some more > cables at the store tomorrow depending on which it is. > > Thanks! > > > > -- Hisashi T Fujinaka - htodd at twofifty.com BSEE + BSChem + BAEnglish + MSCS + $2.50 = coffee From ethridgemarks at gmail.com Mon Aug 6 21:33:26 2018 From: ethridgemarks at gmail.com (Mark Ethridge) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2018 20:33:26 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] BL2 Balun Wire Message-ID: I made a mistake while stripping the ends on the 24 inches (61 cm) of Balun Wire, E760025 in the BL2 kit. Can someone tell me where I can get replacement wire and what size and type to purchase. Thanks, de K4SNE Mark Ethridge From donwilh at embarqmail.com Mon Aug 6 21:44:09 2018 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2018 21:44:09 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] BL2 Balun Wire In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43ac4eab-0efd-7e4d-cf34-70db0e5a6d91@embarqmail.com> Mark, Since you have the part number and know the length, you can order another 24 inch piece from Elecraft. Contact sales at elecraft.com. 73, Don W3FPR On 8/6/2018 9:33 PM, Mark Ethridge wrote: > I made a mistake while stripping the ends on the 24 inches (61 cm) of Balun > Wire, E760025 in the BL2 kit. Can someone tell me where I can get > replacement wire and what size and type to purchase. > From donwilh at embarqmail.com Mon Aug 6 21:54:27 2018 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2018 21:54:27 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - Persistent channel hopping on a band In-Reply-To: <71f79f0b-38a3-7149-9b84-ac2ee306c8cb@foothill.net> References: <71f79f0b-38a3-7149-9b84-ac2ee306c8cb@foothill.net> Message-ID: <305f760c-2c30-c6bd-c730-c6625c012929@embarqmail.com> Skip, Are all the memories for the channel hopping in adjacent memory locations? Do you have an "*" in the beginning of the text field? My channel hopping frequencies for 60 meters have been set up for years and have not changed, and as you can imagine, I have changed bands many times since I set it up. 73, Don W3FPR On 8/6/2018 7:40 PM, Fred Jensen wrote: > Is there a way to to make channel hopping persistent on a given band, > like 5 MHz?? I can set it up and it works fine, even with the KPOD knob, > but if I go to another band and then come back, the memory channels have > reverted back to frequency.? It's no big deal ... M>V, find channel 51, > M>V again, just wondering if I'm missing something.? The manual tells me > how to get into channel hopping, it doesn't tell me how to keep it there > with a temp band change.? Maybe that's because you can't do it? > > 73, > > Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW > Sparks NV DM09dn > Washoe County > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to donwilh at embarqmail.com From k6dgw at foothill.net Mon Aug 6 22:38:09 2018 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2018 19:38:09 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - Persistent channel hopping on a band In-Reply-To: <305f760c-2c30-c6bd-c730-c6625c012929@embarqmail.com> References: <71f79f0b-38a3-7149-9b84-ac2ee306c8cb@foothill.net> <305f760c-2c30-c6bd-c730-c6625c012929@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <5847a36f-c217-2f1b-147b-8c0de161dea1@foothill.net> Yes, and Yes, and when I do "M>V", look for memory channel 51, and then "M>V" again, it all works as advertised.? If I move to 30 meters, and then come back, I have to do the above 3 step sequence to get back into channel hopping. Manual says to cancel channel hopping by tapping RATE or FINE, which works.? But, if I change bands and then come back, channel hopping is canceled even though I didn't tap RATE or FINE. I don't believe this is a bug.? What I was hoping for was to return to channel hopping whenever I go to 5 MHz with the BAND button until I cancel it like the manual says.? I'm finding more CW Q's lately on the 5 MHz channels. As I said, this is not worthy of a lot of effort, it would just be a nice featurette. 73, Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW Sparks NV DM09dn Washoe County On 8/6/2018 6:54 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > Skip, > > Are all the memories for the channel hopping in adjacent memory > locations?? Do you have an "*" in the beginning of the text field? > > My channel hopping frequencies for 60 meters have been set up for > years and have not changed, and as you can imagine, I have changed > bands many times since I set it up. > > 73, > Don W3FPR From jimk0xu at gmail.com Tue Aug 7 00:51:09 2018 From: jimk0xu at gmail.com (Jim Rhodes) Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2018 23:51:09 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] W1SERKT vs KXSER cables In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I couldn't tell you for sure. My cables have gotten all mixed up. Don't know what came with which, and they all work as needed. USB, 232 whatever. On Mon, Aug 6, 2018 at 1:00 PM Steve Zabarnick wrote: > With the recent purchase of a KX3, I was wondering if my W1SERKT cable (W1 > wattmeter serial data cable) will work in place of the KX3's KXSER cable? > Both seem to be 3.5 mm TRS to DB9 serial cables. > > Steve N9SZ > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to jimk0xu at gmail.com > -- Jim K0XU jim at rhodesend.net From aa4lr at arrl.net Tue Aug 7 13:57:22 2018 From: aa4lr at arrl.net (Bill Coleman) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2018 13:57:22 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KAT100 - Reluctant to come on, K2 often displays "not inst" In-Reply-To: <5E1E252C-82EA-4AA2-AB53-DEDE39E21D39@arrl.net> References: <2336AC02-9798-4F7C-866E-C82FA9B415DE@arrl.net> <89870705-4656-0083-0ac1-a2469f8a7762@embarqmail.com> <10F9E070-ABB9-41FB-BFB6-853398AC13BC@arrl.net> <9e5a1f75-f2b4-bc0b-4d58-fba815734008@embarqmail.com> <5E1E252C-82EA-4AA2-AB53-DEDE39E21D39@arrl.net> Message-ID: Sadly, I have no old PIC chips for the KAT100 in my inventory. It came out of the box with the 1.04 firmware (which isn?t the latest, but I don?t have the K60XV, either.) I do have a second DB9 cable I can try, if I can find it. > On Aug 6, 2018, at 7:05 AM, Bill Coleman wrote: > > I pulled out the KAT100 PIC chip and re-inserted. No change. > > I can confirm that transition ARE reaching Pin 40 on the KAT100 PIC chip. I see roughly three bursts. Two come shortly after turn-on, the third comes a second later. > > I think you?d need a storage scope or logic analyzer to reverse engineer the AUXBUS. I don?t have that kind of equipment available. > > >> On Aug 5, 2018, at 7:02 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: >> >> Bill, >> >> If it were a bad PIC chip, the results would be consistent. Reseat the KAT100 firmware Ic to clear away oxidation. >> Look for a flaky connection on the Control cable - at both ends. >> >> There is not much that you can diagnose with a 'scope other than to determine that the chip is getting transitions to it. >> If you want to reverse engineer the K2 AUXBUS, then you could make some determination of the AUXBUS correctness, but that is a difficult exercise in futility IMHO. >> >> 73, >> Don W3FPR >> >> On 8/5/2018 5:36 PM, Bill Coleman wrote: >>> Jack screws appear to be tight on both ends. >>> >>> After I cycle the power 6-12 times, it will eventually come up. I wonder if I have a bad PIC chip in the KAT100. I may try an older version of the firmware, I think I have one. That will take a few days. >>> >>> I can put a scope on Pin 40 of the PIC chip. I see transitions. Anything I can diagnose with a scope? >>> >>> >> > > Bill Coleman, AA4LR, PP-ASEL Mail: aa4lr at arrl.net > Web: http://boringhamradiopart.blogspot.com > Quote: "Not within a thousand years will man ever fly!" > -- Wilbur Wright, 1901 > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to aa4lr at arrl.net Bill Coleman, AA4LR, PP-ASEL Mail: aa4lr at arrl.net Web: http://boringhamradiopart.blogspot.com Quote: "Not within a thousand years will man ever fly!" -- Wilbur Wright, 1901 From donwilh at embarqmail.com Tue Aug 7 14:21:03 2018 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2018 14:21:03 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KAT100 - Reluctant to come on, K2 often displays "not inst" In-Reply-To: References: <2336AC02-9798-4F7C-866E-C82FA9B415DE@arrl.net> <89870705-4656-0083-0ac1-a2469f8a7762@embarqmail.com> <10F9E070-ABB9-41FB-BFB6-853398AC13BC@arrl.net> <9e5a1f75-f2b4-bc0b-4d58-fba815734008@embarqmail.com> <5E1E252C-82EA-4AA2-AB53-DEDE39E21D39@arrl.net> Message-ID: Bill, Are you looking at the K2 MCU firmware or the KAT100 firmware? The KAT100 firmware currently is 1.05, and the 1.04 should work OK. If you looked at the K2 firmware (hold any button while powering on and it will be briefly displayed), then the level to support the KAT100 must be 2.03d or above. 73, Don W3FPR On 8/7/2018 1:57 PM, Bill Coleman wrote: > Sadly, I have no old PIC chips for the KAT100 in my inventory. It came out of the box with the 1.04 firmware (which isn?t the latest, but I don?t have the K60XV, either.) > > I do have a second DB9 cable I can try, if I can find it. > > From ja-pierce at verizon.net Tue Aug 7 18:04:53 2018 From: ja-pierce at verizon.net (John Pierce) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2018 18:04:53 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3s For Sale Message-ID: <005c01d42e9a$abb9f880$032de980$@verizon.net> Due to lack of use I am selling my Elecraft Equipment. Is a great rig and worthy of consideration Lightly used in a non-smoking environment . K3S 160-6M 100 W Transceiver . KFL3A 400Hz High Perf. CW/Data Filter . Standard 2.7kHz SSB Filter . KBPF3a General Coverage (100khz & up) . Neoprene Soft Grip on the Main VFO knob . USB cable Access to the internet software updates . K3Book by Fred Cady . MH2 Hand Microphone . Software Latest software installed for K3s . Owners Manual I have over $4,200 invested. My Asking price $2,700 Shipped in a K3S box AD2F ja-pierce at verizon.net The unit was not a factory build. I was in Computer engineering for 40 years and retired as the Quality Assurance Director for a company that was building and supplying flight worthy equipment to the Air Craft industry. That equipment is currently in use on Aircraft to give flyers internet access. The only thing that I did not know when I purchased the K3, is that Elecraft preforms Burn In on the Factory Builds. At Honeywell we also performed Burn In to weed out weak components that could fail in early life. Using the K3s for over two years without any component failures is a good substitute for what the Factory Burn In accomplishes. You can confirm that with a call to Elecraft. I have built many rigs over the years and found that the K3s was not complicated to assemble. From k6ufo at arrl.net Tue Aug 7 20:32:17 2018 From: k6ufo at arrl.net (K6UFO Mark Aaker) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2018 00:32:17 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] For Sale KPA500 Amp and KAT500 Tuner Combo References: <1203517106.3563505.1533688337543.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1203517106.3563505.1533688337543@mail.yahoo.com> Elecraft KPA500 Amp and KAT500 Tuner Combo 100 percent operational, no problems. Original owner, bought 2014, non-smoking. The 1500 is here, so the old combo goes. Sale includes: KPA500 Solid state Amplifier 120V and 220V (L6-20P) power cords KPA Serial to USB cable (for PC control and Firmware upgrades) KPAK3AUX cable for K3 Aux connector Extra Y-adapter so you can still use other AUX devices Key Line interruptor for devices like Steppir controller Original manuals Original shipping box KAT500 Automatic Tuner E850463 Optional KAT500 to KPA500 Cable KAT Serial to USB cable (for PC control and Firmware upgrades) Original manuals New is far more $$$, plus tax, shipping, and cost of cables. $2,250 for the combo and will split shipping cost to you in USA. Mark K6UFO k6ufo at arrl dot net From k6fw1 at verizon.net Wed Aug 8 00:34:36 2018 From: k6fw1 at verizon.net (Frank) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2018 21:34:36 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Adding Filters to K3 Message-ID: <724bfbbd-c607-2400-2209-cb4027d00f63@verizon.net> I have an Elecraft K3 with a subreceiver with 3 of the 5 slots filled with filters.? For SSB both the main and sub receivers have a 2.8 khz. filter.? I have one 1.8 khz. filter I would like to add to the main receiver.? Can I add this filter to the main receiver and leave the corresponding sub receiver slot vacant?? I understand only the main receiver would benefit from the 1.8 khz filter and I am fine with that.? The sub receiver would still use the 2.8 khz. filter I assume.? Any thoughts would be appreciated. Thanks, Frank K6FW From dpbunte at gmail.com Wed Aug 8 01:11:44 2018 From: dpbunte at gmail.com (David Bunte) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2018 01:11:44 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Adding Filters to K3 In-Reply-To: <724bfbbd-c607-2400-2209-cb4027d00f63@verizon.net> References: <724bfbbd-c607-2400-2209-cb4027d00f63@verizon.net> Message-ID: Frank - I can't see any reason that would not work just fine. Dave - K9FN On Wed, Aug 8, 2018 at 12:35 AM Frank wrote: > I have an Elecraft K3 with a subreceiver with 3 of the 5 slots filled > with filters. For SSB both the main and sub receivers have a 2.8 khz. > filter. I have one 1.8 khz. filter I would like to add to the main > receiver. Can I add this filter to the main receiver and leave the > corresponding sub receiver slot vacant? I understand only the main > receiver would benefit from the 1.8 khz filter and I am fine with that. > The sub receiver would still use the 2.8 khz. filter I assume. Any > thoughts would be appreciated. > > Thanks, > > Frank > > K6FW > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dpbunte at gmail.com From k4to.dave at gmail.com Wed Aug 8 02:18:09 2018 From: k4to.dave at gmail.com (Dave Sublette) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2018 08:18:09 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] Eyeball visit? Message-ID: Any hams in Florence, Italy? I am in the bar at the Grand Hotel Mediterrano for the next hour. Dave, K4TO From rick at tavan.com Wed Aug 8 04:17:17 2018 From: rick at tavan.com (Rick Tavan) Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2018 22:17:17 -1000 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 Client/Server Software In-Reply-To: <5b68d482.1c69fb81.e67f4.8a58@mx.google.com> References: <004c01d40e0d$71e7b000$55b71000$@arrl.net> <1673cbce-ad7d-0460-9849-4d82a82c016e@elecraft.com> <5b68d482.1c69fb81.e67f4.8a58@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Not sure what you want to do here, but when running KPA1500 Remote in its client/server configuration you can make control changes and monitor the amp via either the client or the server instance, running on different computers, and they follow each other. I've seen no discrepancies. In my shack, the server instance is connected to the amp via USB and connects to the client instance via Ethernet across the LAN or WAN. For me, the simultaneous operation characteristic is just a curiosity - if I'm in the shack, I use either the physical control panel or the USB-connected instance of KPA1500 Remote. If I'm operating remotely, I use the client instance running on my local computer. So I only see and play with the dual access capability when I'm in the shack (the "radio site") and experimenting with the configuration. 73, /Rick N6XI -- Rick Tavan Truckee, CA On Mon, Aug 6, 2018 at 1:06 PM, Paul Baldock wrote: > At 03:59 PM 8/6/2018, you wrote: > >> The KPA1500 Remote s/w, which should be on our website later this week, >> supports both a local operation via direct connection via USB or ethernet >> to the amp. >> > > Will I be able to control the KPA1500 using 2 different programs > simultaneously, one talking via Ethernet and one via USB, without conflict? > > - Paul KW7Y > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to rtavan at gmail.com > From k6ufo at arrl.net Wed Aug 8 09:22:43 2018 From: k6ufo at arrl.net (K6UFO Mark Aaker) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2018 13:22:43 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] For Sale KPA500 Amp and KAT500 Tuner Combo - SOLD References: <1999450053.3817212.1533734563481.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1999450053.3817212.1533734563481@mail.yahoo.com> SOLD Mark K6UFO From w0agmike at gmail.com Wed Aug 8 16:07:43 2018 From: w0agmike at gmail.com (Mike Murray) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2018 15:07:43 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] FOR Sale: Mini-modules Message-ID: I have 3 modules available that could use a new home and some exercise: 1. N-gen Wide Band Noise Generator $50 2. BL-1 150 Watt Balun $25 (never used) 3. XG1 Signal Generator $40 All in excellent condition and will ship immediately. Add postage to above for Priority Mail. PayPal preferred. Want all three? Make me a bundled offer! 73, Mike - W0AG From billclarke at nycap.rr.com Wed Aug 8 16:34:41 2018 From: billclarke at nycap.rr.com (Bill) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2018 16:34:41 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] HRD slow accessing K3 frequency controls Message-ID: <8e82d4d8-7e5a-a170-77d8-e65a8d8530cb@nycap.rr.com> Suddenly, HRD is no longer working with my K3: Using my K3, I initially click on a favorite - the rig responds immediately. After a few seconds (less than 10), I click on another favorite and there will be a multi-second delay (about 6 or 7 seconds) before the change takes place. Changing bands is similar delayed. This is a new problem and only effects the K3. My TS480 works perfectly with HRD. I am a many year user of HRD - so I doubt if I am doing something incorrectly. I also am doubting there is something wrong with HRD. I have made no hardware changes recently to my computer (2 years at least). Going further, I also doubt if there is anything wrong with my K3. It is as solid as a rock and I normally control it with a Genovation keypad and the K-Pod. Life is great! HRD support responded quickly and indicated it might go back a Windows 10 update. I feel that is probably a good answer. Now, if a driver has been screwed up - how will I determine which one? I believe I have a system backup SSD that I might try - in case that works, I would at least have a clue. Any thoughts or suggestions? Bill W2BLC K-Line From jasimmons at pinewooddata.com Wed Aug 8 17:13:49 2018 From: jasimmons at pinewooddata.com (John Simmons) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2018 16:13:49 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] HRD slow accessing K3 frequency controls In-Reply-To: <8e82d4d8-7e5a-a170-77d8-e65a8d8530cb@nycap.rr.com> References: <8e82d4d8-7e5a-a170-77d8-e65a8d8530cb@nycap.rr.com> Message-ID: <81eadcab-bc72-4b9f-d13e-93b624440eda@pinewooddata.com> Bill, Aren't computers fun? If it is a Windows update, there will be a restore point to go back to. Click on the Windows icon in the lower left corner of your screen and type 'restore' and you can find the latest restore points with their dates. Try going back to the latest one. Some other questions: Is the computer using a real serial port, or a serial to USB adaptor for the K3? Is the same serial connection being used for the Kenwood as the K3? Have you added or changed any serial or USB devices lately? Are you running any programs that call the serial port the K3 is connected to? This problem certainly sounds like either a port, driver, or conflict issue. Good luck with your problem, and please let us know what the fix turns out to be! 73, -John NI0K Bill wrote on 8/8/2018 3:34 PM: > Suddenly, HRD is no longer working with my K3: > > Using my K3, I initially click on a favorite - the rig responds > immediately. After a few seconds (less than 10), I click on another > favorite and there will be a multi-second delay (about 6 or 7 seconds) > before the change takes place. Changing bands is similar delayed. > > This is a new problem and only effects the K3. My TS480 works > perfectly with HRD. I am a many year user of HRD - so I doubt if I am > doing something incorrectly. I also am doubting there is something > wrong with HRD. I have made no hardware changes recently to my > computer (2 years at least). > > Going further, I also doubt if there is anything wrong with my K3. It > is as solid as a rock and I normally control it with a Genovation > keypad and the K-Pod. Life is great! > > HRD support responded quickly and indicated it might go back a Windows > 10 update. I feel that is probably a good answer. Now, if a driver has > been screwed up - how will I determine which one? I believe I have a > system backup SSD that I might try - in case that works, I would at > least have a clue. > > Any thoughts or suggestions? > > Bill W2BLC K-Line > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to jasimmons at pinewooddata.com From leomaniolone at gmail.com Wed Aug 8 17:51:51 2018 From: leomaniolone at gmail.com (Leo Aniol) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2018 17:51:51 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] IC-7300 SWAP for KX3 Message-ID: I have a IC-7AI3 that I currently am not using and would like to swap the radio out for a KX3 with ATU and roofing filters. If anyone is interested let me know. Leo AI5II From billclarke at nycap.rr.com Thu Aug 9 00:13:30 2018 From: billclarke at nycap.rr.com (Bill) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2018 00:13:30 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] HRD slow accessing K3 frequency controls In-Reply-To: <81eadcab-bc72-4b9f-d13e-93b624440eda@pinewooddata.com> References: <81eadcab-bc72-4b9f-d13e-93b624440eda@pinewooddata.com> Message-ID: <19b7d363-5a38-d877-4d20-9393ccd06433@nycap.rr.com> Computer has a serial board with two ports. One for the K3 (P3) and one for the 480. Not used for anything else. No adapters. Pulled a two month old backup SSD out of the safe. No go - did not work then either. I am sure the computer is busy doing something - which I don't know about - causing a resource hog delay. This is why 99% of the time, I am running Linux Mint. But, the number of programs that really are good for ham radio and work on Linux is small. Most of the stuff is garbage. So I keep Windows around. I did find an Apple driver update - took it out and noticed no difference. This is becoming one of those things that is taking more time than it is worth. I think this is how MS wear their customers down. Long live Linux! Bill W2BLC From wa2lbi at gmail.com Wed Aug 8 20:24:10 2018 From: wa2lbi at gmail.com (Ken Winterling) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2018 20:24:10 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] HRD slow accessing K3 frequency controls In-Reply-To: <19b7d363-5a38-d877-4d20-9393ccd06433@nycap.rr.com> References: <81eadcab-bc72-4b9f-d13e-93b624440eda@pinewooddata.com> <19b7d363-5a38-d877-4d20-9393ccd06433@nycap.rr.com> Message-ID: Bill, Have you run the Windows Task Manager to see if the cpu, disk and/or memory is being heavily utilized; stuck at 100% or thereabouts on a regular basis? Ken WA2LBI On Thu, Aug 9, 2018 at 12:13 AM, Bill wrote: > Computer has a serial board with two ports. One for the K3 (P3) and one > for the 480. Not used for anything else. No adapters. > > Pulled a two month old backup SSD out of the safe. No go - did not work > then either. > > I am sure the computer is busy doing something - which I don't know about > - causing a resource hog delay. > > This is why 99% of the time, I am running Linux Mint. But, the number of > programs that really are good for ham radio and work on Linux is small. > Most of the stuff is garbage. So I keep Windows around. > > I did find an Apple driver update - took it out and noticed no difference. > > This is becoming one of those things that is taking more time than it is > worth. I think this is how MS wear their customers down. Long live Linux! > > Bill W2BLC > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wa2lbi at gmail.com > From marklgoldberg at gmail.com Wed Aug 8 20:31:20 2018 From: marklgoldberg at gmail.com (Mark Goldberg) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2018 17:31:20 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] HRD slow accessing K3 frequency controls In-Reply-To: <19b7d363-5a38-d877-4d20-9393ccd06433@nycap.rr.com> References: <81eadcab-bc72-4b9f-d13e-93b624440eda@pinewooddata.com> <19b7d363-5a38-d877-4d20-9393ccd06433@nycap.rr.com> Message-ID: Can you try the K3 utility and talk directly to the K3 and eliminate HRD from the picture? You could try the Windows and Linux versions and compare operation. Someone else may have to suggest what operation would exercise the interface. I would NOT try a firmware upgrade, try something innocuous that still transmits a lot of data. I don't have a K3, so can't suggest what that could be. Check for hard disk issues. I have seen long pauses with a bad hard disk that worked but had to retry many times before working. You did say you tried another SSD, but was the original disk still plugged in? Linux has much better hard disk diagnostics and you can do a SMART self test. Check your serial cable, maybe try a different one. Swap serial ports and see if that makes a difference. That's all I can think of for now. 73, Mark W7MLG On Wed, Aug 8, 2018 at 9:13 PM, Bill wrote: > Computer has a serial board with two ports. One for the K3 (P3) and one > for the 480. Not used for anything else. No adapters. > > Pulled a two month old backup SSD out of the safe. No go - did not work > then either. > > I am sure the computer is busy doing something - which I don't know about > - causing a resource hog delay. > > This is why 99% of the time, I am running Linux Mint. But, the number of > programs that really are good for ham radio and work on Linux is small. > Most of the stuff is garbage. So I keep Windows around. > > I did find an Apple driver update - took it out and noticed no difference. > > This is becoming one of those things that is taking more time than it is > worth. I think this is how MS wear their customers down. Long live Linux! > > Bill W2BLC > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to marklgoldberg at gmail.com > From rmcgraw at blomand.net Wed Aug 8 20:45:48 2018 From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2018 19:45:48 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] HRD slow accessing K3 frequency controls In-Reply-To: References: <81eadcab-bc72-4b9f-d13e-93b624440eda@pinewooddata.com> <19b7d363-5a38-d877-4d20-9393ccd06433@nycap.rr.com> Message-ID: <2d88c67c-f6d4-f257-424c-908fc94a2c9a@blomand.net> Also there are applications that will remove scraps of updates, faulty files, excessive Registry entries and such.??? Sounds like time to do some in-depth computer house cleaning.??? Also, a virus or malware will consume resources and really bog down a computer basically doing nothing. I use a paid subscription of Malwaybytes although there is a free version.?? Another application I use on a regular basis is CCLeaner, free version.?? This gets rid of abandoned files and one can scrub the Register for remnants of applications installation processes and those removed that might remain from applications that have been removed.? Of course, there are others applications which do about the same and I'm sure others will have their preferences. 73 Bob, K4TAX On 8/8/2018 7:24 PM, Ken Winterling wrote: > Bill, > > Have you run the Windows Task Manager to see if the cpu, disk and/or memory > is being heavily utilized; stuck at 100% or thereabouts on a regular basis? > > Ken > WA2LBI > > > > > On Thu, Aug 9, 2018 at 12:13 AM, Bill wrote: > >> Computer has a serial board with two ports. One for the K3 (P3) and one >> for the 480. Not used for anything else. No adapters. >> >> Pulled a two month old backup SSD out of the safe. No go - did not work >> then either. >> >> I am sure the computer is busy doing something - which I don't know about >> - causing a resource hog delay. >> >> This is why 99% of the time, I am running Linux Mint. But, the number of >> programs that really are good for ham radio and work on Linux is small. >> Most of the stuff is garbage. So I keep Windows around. >> >> I did find an Apple driver update - took it out and noticed no difference. >> >> This is becoming one of those things that is taking more time than it is >> worth. I think this is how MS wear their customers down. Long live Linux! >> >> Bill W2BLC >> >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to wa2lbi at gmail.com >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to rmcgraw at blomand.net > From billclarke at nycap.rr.com Wed Aug 8 21:34:26 2018 From: billclarke at nycap.rr.com (Bill) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2018 21:34:26 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] HRD slow accessing K3 frequency controls In-Reply-To: <2d88c67c-f6d4-f257-424c-908fc94a2c9a@blomand.net> References: <2d88c67c-f6d4-f257-424c-908fc94a2c9a@blomand.net> Message-ID: All are good suggestions and I have tried them all. No difference noted. I run Malwarebytes and trust it. I do good cleanings periodically. The older SSD I tried was used as the primary C drive while testing - no other drives plugged in. No changes there either. What is strange is the fact that nothing is showing up on Task Manager as a hog. Thanks for the ideas - I am tossing the towel. I'll simply run the K3 from the keypad and K-Pod. I was just hoping to clear some clutter from the desk. All my day-to-day stuff is Linux Mint - so no worries. Bill W2BLC K-Line From tomb18 at videotron.ca Wed Aug 8 21:47:51 2018 From: tomb18 at videotron.ca (tomb18) Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2018 21:47:51 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] HRD slow accessing K3 frequency controls In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <490a89f34d967b03cc1f47c0e39c4705@smtp.videotron.ca> Hi,There are a couple of things that may be important here.?1. Make sure the firmware on the k3 and p3 are at their latest. Having old p3 firmware and new k3 firmware can cause exactly what you have seen.2. Make sure the baud rate on the p3 matches the baud rate on the k3. Set them both the same.73 Tomva2fsq.com Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. -------- Original message --------From: Bill Date: 2018-08-09 12:13 AM (GMT-05:00) To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] HRD slow accessing K3 frequency controls Computer has a serial board with two ports. One for the K3 (P3) and one for the 480. Not used for anything else. No adapters. Pulled a two month old backup SSD out of the safe. No go - did not work then either. I am sure the computer is busy doing something - which I don't know about - causing a resource hog delay. This is why 99% of the time, I am running Linux Mint. But, the number of programs that really are good for ham radio and work on Linux is small. Most of the stuff is garbage. So I keep Windows around. I did find an Apple driver update - took it out and noticed no difference. This is becoming one of those things that is taking more time than it is worth. I think this is how MS wear their customers down. Long live Linux! Bill W2BLC ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to tomb18 at videotron.ca From Gary at ka1j.com Wed Aug 8 22:01:33 2018 From: Gary at ka1j.com (Gary Smith) Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2018 22:01:33 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] HRD slow accessing K3 frequency controls Message-ID: <5B6BA07D.25829.498E68F@Gary.ka1j.com> Just a thought, try disabling windows defender when you are having this issue. Settings > Update & security > Windows Security > Virus & threat protection > Virus & threat protection settings > Turn Real-Time protection off If nothing changes then it's not defender behind the problem. If things work as they should when you turn it off however, you have found the problem. If so, then on that same page scroll down to exclusions and add the HRD to the exclusions. Then go back up and turn defender back on. Restart and you may well be over the issue. 73, Gary KA1J From dave at nk7z.net Thu Aug 9 05:55:24 2018 From: dave at nk7z.net (Dave Cole (NK7Z)) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2018 02:55:24 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] HRD slow accessing K3 frequency controls In-Reply-To: <19b7d363-5a38-d877-4d20-9393ccd06433@nycap.rr.com> References: <81eadcab-bc72-4b9f-d13e-93b624440eda@pinewooddata.com> <19b7d363-5a38-d877-4d20-9393ccd06433@nycap.rr.com> Message-ID: <80f855c2-4683-7bc8-9231-f173bacde658@nk7z.net> Hi, I too have had issues with the serial port speed of my K3 as well. My issues are when using MixW though, not HRD. When I switched from my Icom 756 PROIII to the K3, (using MixW), I was appalled at the loss in speed for rig control. I have never fully resolved this issue, and will be most interested in this thread as it progresses... I too am running Linux, but I also keep Windows around for a few programs as well, so our setups are similar. For no real good reason I suspect it is the K3 itself that is slow... Only because I have spent countless hours trying to correct the issue only to have never fully resolved it. This leaves the K3... Not a real good reason to suspect it, but I do. 73s and thanks, Dave (NK7Z/NNR0DC) https://www.nk7z.net ARRL Technical Specialist On 08/08/2018 09:13 PM, Bill wrote: > Computer has a serial board with two ports. One for the K3 (P3) and one > for the 480. Not used for anything else. No adapters. > > Pulled a two month old backup SSD out of the safe. No go - did not work > then either. > > I am sure the computer is busy doing something - which I don't know > about - causing a resource hog delay. > > This is why 99% of the time, I am running Linux Mint. But, the number of > programs that really are good for ham radio and work on Linux is small. > Most of the stuff is garbage. So I keep Windows around. > > I did find an Apple driver update - took it out and noticed no difference. > > This is becoming one of those things that is taking more time than it is > worth. I think this is how MS wear their customers down. Long live Linux! > > Bill W2BLC > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dave at nk7z.net From john at kk9a.com Thu Aug 9 07:29:32 2018 From: john at kk9a.com (john at kk9a.com) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2018 07:29:32 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Adding Filters to K3 Message-ID: I have five filters in my main receiver and only two in my subreceiver . Only 400Hz filters are common in both. I have the identical setup in two separate K3S's and it works great for my HF contesting needs where I use the sub for SO2V. If you want to use diversity reception you may want at least some matching filters. John KK9A from: Frank k6fw Wed Aug 8 00:34:36 EDT 2018 I have an Elecraft K3 with a subreceiver with 3 of the 5 slots filled with filters. For SSB both the main and sub receivers have a 2.8 khz. filter. I have one 1.8 khz. filter I would like to add to the main receiver. Can I add this filter to the main receiver and leave the corresponding sub receiver slot vacant? I understand only the main receiver would benefit from the 1.8 khz filter and I am fine with that. The sub receiver would still use the 2.8 khz. filter I assume. Any thoughts would be appreciated. Thanks, Frank K6FW From donwilh at embarqmail.com Thu Aug 9 08:31:38 2018 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2018 08:31:38 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] HRD slow accessing K3 frequency controls In-Reply-To: <8e82d4d8-7e5a-a170-77d8-e65a8d8530cb@nycap.rr.com> References: <8e82d4d8-7e5a-a170-77d8-e65a8d8530cb@nycap.rr.com> Message-ID: <22665f40-1f62-6ac7-91e3-aea4ac169587@embarqmail.com> Bill, Have you looked at the RS232 menu to check the baud rate? If you have a P3 check that too. Set it for 38400. 73, Don W3FPR On 8/8/2018 4:34 PM, Bill wrote: > Suddenly, HRD is no longer working with my K3: > > Using my K3, I initially click on a favorite - the rig responds > immediately. After a few seconds (less than 10), I click on another > favorite and there will be a multi-second delay (about 6 or 7 seconds) > before the change takes place. Changing bands is similar delayed. > From ke8g.jim at gmail.com Thu Aug 9 10:19:44 2018 From: ke8g.jim at gmail.com (Jim Blanca) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2018 10:19:44 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] OT- Elecraft KPOD for Sale Message-ID: I recently bought a K3S and it came with several items I will never use, so I am slowly getting rid of them. First up is an Elecraft KPOD serial #4474 it is approximately 2 years old and looks & functions as new. I have the original box and cables. Asking $210.00 plus shipping from 44130 73 de Jim - KE8G From n1rj at roadrunner.com Thu Aug 9 10:43:02 2018 From: n1rj at roadrunner.com (Roger D Johnson) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2018 10:43:02 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 Message-ID: The amp arrived in fine shape and am getting familiar with all the features. I have some questions: Is there an input attenuator normally in-line? I can't figure out how to manually change the L and C values for the tuner. If these are changed, are the settings memorized? 73, Roger N1RJ From K8UT at charter.net Thu Aug 9 11:04:19 2018 From: K8UT at charter.net (Larry (K8UT)) Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2018 15:04:19 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] beta Software: KPA1500 FANticipator - console and fan control Message-ID: FANticipator is a freeware KPA1500 console and enhanced fan controller that I've developed to maximize shack silence and minimize fan noise. My selfish intentions are based on the following: You prefer to have the fans automatically shut off completely when the amp nears ambient temperatureYou prefer hearing the fans when transmitting rather than when receivingYou prefer listening to more time with the fans running at speed #1 rather than less time with the fan at speeds #2 or #3 or ... You can read more about FANticipator and see screenshots at: www.mortty.info It's working fine here... If you're interested in beta testing, please contact me offline: k8ut at charter.net -larry (K8UT) From ke8g.jim at gmail.com Thu Aug 9 11:54:40 2018 From: ke8g.jim at gmail.com (Jim Blanca) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2018 11:54:40 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 for Sale Message-ID: I have for sale an Elecraft K3 ? F, serial #5946, that has served as my backup radio. I am the second owner and it came from and has been in a non-smoking environment. It works 100% and appears 9.5 out of 10, as the LCD Bezel has two cracks in the corner (it came that way from the previous owner). I can provide a picture on request. I have the original boxes and packaging. It includes: K3/100-F 100 Watt KAT3-F K3 ATU KFL3A 2.8 Khz Filter Swap KFL3A 400 Hz Filter Power cable Anderson Poles on both ends Owner?s Manual Fred Cady ? KE7X ?The Elecraft K3 ? Design, Configuration, and Operation Manual? I am asking $1,800 plus shipping from zip code 44130 73 de Jim ? KE8G From ke8g.jim at gmail.com Thu Aug 9 12:30:05 2018 From: ke8g.jim at gmail.com (Jim Blanca) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2018 12:30:05 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Panadapter for sale Message-ID: I have for sale an Elecraft P3-F Panadapter. It is approximately 2 years old, I am the second owner and it comes from & is presently in a nonsmoking environment. It includes the following and I will *NOT* piece it out: P3-F Panadapter, Assembled for K3S, K3 and other rigs P3TXMON TX Monitor Power and Waveform Display Adapter *for the P3* DCHF-2000 1.8-54 MHz, 1- 2000W HF 2000W Max directional coupler *KPCA-F Power cable* *E850410 P3 Cable for IF hookup* *Owner?s Manual* *Original boxes and packaging* *Does not include the *CBLP3Y *P3 to RJ45 Connector Cable**. *I am keeping this cable for my use. I am asking $800.00 plus shipping from zip code 44130 73 de Jim ? KE8G From n6tv at arrl.net Thu Aug 9 12:33:52 2018 From: n6tv at arrl.net (Bob Wilson, N6TV) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2018 09:33:52 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] beta Software: KPA1500 FANticipator - console and fan control In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: FANticipator GUI has two checkboxes: "During Tx, override fan menu settings and run at settings +1" (Not sure what this means, run fan at 2 when it normally would be at 1?) "After Tx, override fan settings and run at #1 until below 40c" I assume it doesn't try to do fan adjustment when running full QSK, between every dot and dash, but there's some type of delay involved, right? It also seems like this fan logic could be built into the KPA1500 firmware if the result is a quieter and cooler amp. on receive. 73, Bob, N6TV On Thu, Aug 9, 2018 at 8:04 AM, Larry (K8UT) wrote: > FANticipator is a freeware KPA1500 console and enhanced fan controller > that I've developed to maximize shack silence and minimize fan noise. > > My selfish intentions are based on the following: > You prefer to have the fans automatically shut off completely when the amp > nears ambient temperatureYou prefer hearing the fans when transmitting > rather than when receivingYou prefer listening to more time with the fans > running at speed #1 rather than less time with the fan at speeds #2 or #3 > or ... > You can read more about FANticipator and see screenshots at: > www.mortty.info > > It's working fine here... If you're interested in beta testing, please > contact me offline: k8ut at charter.net > > -larry (K8UT) From dk7cy at bingo-ev.de Thu Aug 9 13:19:08 2018 From: dk7cy at bingo-ev.de (Wolfgang Peringer) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2018 19:19:08 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 filter switching in AM mode Message-ID: <8cfd977a-dab9-5184-6dbf-2dce13c94b14@bingo-ev.de> Hello: Installed a 6 Khz AM-filter and have the following problem: Filter slot 1:? 6Khz Filter Filter slot 2: 2.7 Khz Filter Both of the filters are configurated as receive filters for AM mode. When I switch from filter 1 to filter 2 in AM mode the filter 2 (2.7 KHz) is shown in the display but the bandwith is 1.35 KHz. When using the width control to widen the width the K3 switches to filter slot 1. It is not possible to use the 2.7 Khz filter in AM receive. Any suggestions? 73 Wolfgang dk7cy From donwilh at embarqmail.com Thu Aug 9 13:54:05 2018 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2018 13:54:05 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 filter switching in AM mode In-Reply-To: <8cfd977a-dab9-5184-6dbf-2dce13c94b14@bingo-ev.de> References: <8cfd977a-dab9-5184-6dbf-2dce13c94b14@bingo-ev.de> Message-ID: Wolfgang, The width displayed is the audio width. An AM signal has 2 sidebands, so it is twice as wide as the audio frequency displayed. If you want to listen to AM in a 1.35 kHz width, then it is possible, but there will be few highs, and will likely not be intelligible. You can use SSB mode to listen to one sideband of the AM signal. 73, Don W3FPR On 8/9/2018 1:19 PM, Wolfgang Peringer wrote: > Hello: > > Installed a 6 Khz AM-filter and have the following problem: > > Filter slot 1:? 6Khz Filter > > Filter slot 2: 2.7 Khz Filter > > Both of the filters are configurated as receive filters for AM mode. > > When I switch from filter 1 to filter 2 in AM mode the filter 2 (2.7 > KHz) is shown in the display but the bandwith is 1.35 KHz. When using > the width control to widen the width the K3 switches to filter slot 1. > It is not possible to use the 2.7 Khz filter in AM receive. > From ghyoungman at gmail.com Thu Aug 9 13:59:18 2018 From: ghyoungman at gmail.com (Grant Youngman) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2018 13:59:18 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 filter switching in AM mode In-Reply-To: References: <8cfd977a-dab9-5184-6dbf-2dce13c94b14@bingo-ev.de> Message-ID: <8A73EE53-A89E-4D44-A3CA-F4A52A3C90E5@gmail.com> Or use AM SYNC mode .. Grant NQ5T K3 #2091 KX3 #8342 > On Aug 9, 2018, at 1:54 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > > Wolfgang, > > The width displayed is the audio width. An AM signal has 2 sidebands, so it is twice as wide as the audio frequency displayed. > If you want to listen to AM in a 1.35 kHz width, then it is possible, but there will be few highs, and will likely not be intelligible. > > You can use SSB mode to listen to one sideband of the AM signal. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 8/9/2018 1:19 PM, Wolfgang Peringer wrote: >> Hello: >> Installed a 6 Khz AM-filter and have the following problem: >> Filter slot 1: 6Khz Filter >> Filter slot 2: 2.7 Khz Filter >> Both of the filters are configurated as receive filters for AM mode. >> When I switch from filter 1 to filter 2 in AM mode the filter 2 (2.7 KHz) is shown in the display but the bandwith is 1.35 KHz. When using the width control to widen the width the K3 switches to filter slot 1. It is not possible to use the 2.7 Khz filter in AM receive. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to ghyoungman at gmail.com From dave.scarfe at gmail.com Thu Aug 9 14:58:33 2018 From: dave.scarfe at gmail.com (Dave Scarfe) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2018 12:58:33 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Win4K3 spectrum macros Message-ID: Hi, I am evaluating Win4K3, and trying to program spectrum macros to make initial setup quicker after program restarts. I am able to change the span without a problem, but I would like to set the scale as the default is too large. I tried %SCL080 to scale to 80dB with no luck. Is this maco supported? If so, how do I implement it? 73, Dave VE5UO From tomb18 at videotron.ca Thu Aug 9 15:05:47 2018 From: tomb18 at videotron.ca (tomb18) Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2018 15:05:47 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Win4K3 spectrum macros In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <91ae4aa794643130f7d531822d1e5df5@smtp.videotron.ca> HiNo the span is supported but not the? zoom in the amplitude directionPlease take a look at the video on how to use the spectrum scope under documentation,? video tutorials on my website.In general the mouse is used to zoom in and the actual baseline will change day by day and even by hour, so you need to zoom vertically anyways. 73 Tomva2fsq.com Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. -------- Original message --------From: Dave Scarfe Date: 2018-08-09 2:58 PM (GMT-05:00) To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] Win4K3 spectrum macros Hi, I am evaluating Win4K3, and trying to program spectrum macros to make initial setup quicker after program restarts.? I am able to change the span without a problem, but I would like to set the scale as the default is too large. I tried %SCL080 to scale to 80dB with no luck. Is this maco supported?? If so, how do I implement it? 73, Dave VE5UO ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to tomb18 at videotron.ca From K8UT at charter.net Thu Aug 9 15:52:54 2018 From: K8UT at charter.net (Larry (K8UT)) Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2018 19:52:54 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] beta Software: KPA1500 FANticipator - console and fan control In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Bob "During Tx, override fan menu settings and run at settings +1" (Not sure what this means, run fan at 2 when it normally would be at 1?) Yes, that is exactly what it means. The assumption being that you would rather hear the fans when transmitting (said the RTTY / FT8 guy ...) than when receiving. And while transmitting be a little more aggressive with heat removal than during receive. I wrote a short description - perhaps not real clear - of the options here: http://mortty.info/fanticipator-features/ >doesn't try to do fan adjustment when running full QSK Correct. There is a minimum runtime built into the fan logic to avoid short-cycling the fan motors. This sometimes results in the fan continuing to run for a couple of seconds into a receive cycle. >this fan logic could be built into the KPA1500 firmware Perhaps. At this stage, FANticipator is at that proof-of-concept stage. If KPA1500 owners are happy with it we can talk to Elecraft about including a richer feature set into fan control. -larry (K8UT) ------ Original Message ------ From: "Bob Wilson, N6TV" To: "Elecraft Reflector" Sent: 2018-08-09 12:33:52 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] beta Software: KPA1500 FANticipator - console and fan control >FANticipator GUI has two checkboxes: > >"During Tx, override fan menu settings and run at settings +1" > >(Not sure what this means, run fan at 2 when it normally would be at >1?) > >"After Tx, override fan settings and run at #1 until below 40c" > >I assume it doesn't try to do fan adjustment when running full QSK, >between >every dot and dash, but there's some type of delay involved, right? It >also seems like this fan logic could be built into the KPA1500 firmware >if >the result is a quieter and cooler amp. on receive. > >73, >Bob, N6TV > >On Thu, Aug 9, 2018 at 8:04 AM, Larry (K8UT) wrote: > >>FANticipator is a freeware KPA1500 console and enhanced fan controller >>that I've developed to maximize shack silence and minimize fan noise. >> >>My selfish intentions are based on the following: >>You prefer to have the fans automatically shut off completely when the >>amp >>nears ambient temperatureYou prefer hearing the fans when transmitting >>rather than when receivingYou prefer listening to more time with the >>fans >>running at speed #1 rather than less time with the fan at speeds #2 or >>#3 >>or ... >>You can read more about FANticipator and see screenshots at: >>www.mortty.info >> >>It's working fine here... If you're interested in beta testing, please >>contact me offline: k8ut at charter.net >> >>-larry (K8UT) >______________________________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >Message delivered to k8ut at charter.net From a.durbin at msn.com Thu Aug 9 17:32:36 2018 From: a.durbin at msn.com (ANDY DURBIN) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2018 21:32:36 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] beta Software: KPA1500 FANticipator - console and fan control Message-ID: "It also seems like this fan logic could be built into the KPA1500 firmware if the result is a quieter and cooler amp. on receive." Actually it seems as though Elecraft chose to go the other way - delay the fan speed increase until a higher temperature.? See KPA1500 firmware release notes: "New fan speed temperature thresholds: - Change the temperature points at which the RF Deck fans are switched in. This does not change the Power Supply's fan speeds. - Prior settings: 60, 65, 70, 75, 80 degrees. - New settings: 60, 70, 78, 85, 90 degrees." I'm taking an interest in this as I'm gathering data on KPA500 dissipation, temperatures, and fan speeds for my station. 73, Andy k3wyc From d3j452 at gmail.com Thu Aug 9 17:44:28 2018 From: d3j452 at gmail.com (Dave G.) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2018 14:44:28 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] 20M open to Spain right now Message-ID: EA3 (Barcelona) looking for W6/W7 around 14.22 Dave G. KK7SS Richland, WA. From w6jhb at me.com Thu Aug 9 18:04:28 2018 From: w6jhb at me.com (James Bennett) Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2018 15:04:28 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] 20M open to Spain right now In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks for the heads-up Dave - got him on the first call with 100 watts to a doublet at 45 feet! 73, Jim / W6JHB Folsom, CA > On Aug 9, 2018, at 2:44 PM, Dave G. wrote: > > EA3 (Barcelona) looking for W6/W7 around 14.22 > > Dave G. KK7SS > Richland, WA. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to w6jhb at me.com From jsodus at comcast.net Thu Aug 9 19:27:50 2018 From: jsodus at comcast.net (jsodus) Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2018 19:27:50 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Search of past postings for single-lever paddle use. Message-ID: Hello,?I get the condensed version and usually delete the email when I've read it. Ditto for the kx3 group too.I now want to re-read postings done earlier this year relative to "single-paddle vs dual-paddle use".I do not know how to do a search or if it is even possible.TIA for any help.Jerry km3k Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. From jsodus at comcast.net Thu Aug 9 20:04:10 2018 From: jsodus at comcast.net (jsodus) Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2018 20:04:10 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Search of past postings for single-lever paddle use. Message-ID: <2u471t0pry084mglf8f3x1wq.1533859450500@email.android.com> Please disregard my earlier post. A ham quickly replied off-line with the answer. I am getting the info I wanted. 73 jerry km3k? Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. -------- Original message --------From: jsodus Date: 8/9/18 19:27 (GMT-05:00) To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Search of past postings for single-lever paddle use. Hello,?I get the condensed version and usually delete the email when I've read it. Ditto for the kx3 group too.I now want to re-read postings done earlier this year relative to "single-paddle vs dual-paddle use".I do not know how to do a search or if it is even possible.TIA for any help.Jerry km3k Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. From john at kk9a.com Thu Aug 9 20:37:17 2018 From: john at kk9a.com (john at kk9a.com) Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2018 20:37:17 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Search of past postings for single-lever paddle use. Message-ID: <005401d43042$4b809600$e281c200$@com> Searching for previous Elecraft postings is very possible. Here are several ways: https://marc.info/?l=elecraft https://www.mail-archive.com/elecraft at mailman.qth.net/maillist.html http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ John KK9A KM3K wrote: Hello, I get the condensed version and usually delete the email when I've read it. Ditto for the kx3 group too.I now want to re-read postings done earlier this year relative to "single-paddle vs dual-paddle use".I do not know how to do a search or if it is even possible.TIA for any help.Jerry km3k From billclarke at nycap.rr.com Fri Aug 10 12:41:40 2018 From: billclarke at nycap.rr.com (Bill) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2018 12:41:40 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] HRD slow accessing K3 frequency controls In-Reply-To: <22665f40-1f62-6ac7-91e3-aea4ac169587@embarqmail.com> References: <22665f40-1f62-6ac7-91e3-aea4ac169587@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <1d42365d-1333-cc7b-c3b6-7572bfc34f83@nycap.rr.com> I have tried and tested everything mentioned and a load more. Results: Primary Computer is solid - working properly Laptop using a converter to RS232 - also working properly HRD performs properly with my TS480 with either computer HRD fails with the K3 on either computer (symptoms already discussed in prior postings) K3 is fully updated and no connection changes have been made in over 6 months except to test ???? (replaced all lines for testing purposes) K3 is currently operated using a Genovation and K-Pod - works wonderful!!! At this point I am done wasting time on using HRD for the K3. For whatever reason, it does not perform as I expect. I can use it - just not expect to do multiple QSYs at a fast pace (such as checking various net frequencies quickly). Others mileage may vary. Bill W2BLC K-Line From dave at nk7z.net Fri Aug 10 08:43:57 2018 From: dave at nk7z.net (Dave Cole (NK7Z)) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2018 05:43:57 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] HRD slow accessing K3 frequency controls In-Reply-To: <1d42365d-1333-cc7b-c3b6-7572bfc34f83@nycap.rr.com> References: <22665f40-1f62-6ac7-91e3-aea4ac169587@embarqmail.com> <1d42365d-1333-cc7b-c3b6-7572bfc34f83@nycap.rr.com> Message-ID: <53825297-4225-9a43-5214-a303561435fc@nk7z.net> Bill, Please let me know if you see slow comms between the K3 and otehr programs. I am seeing that in some cases. 73s and thanks, Dave (NK7Z/NNR0DC) https://www.nk7z.net ARRL Technical Specialist On 08/10/2018 09:41 AM, Bill wrote: > I have tried and tested everything mentioned and a load more. Results: > > Primary Computer is solid - working properly > Laptop using a converter to RS232 - also working properly > HRD performs properly with my TS480 with either computer > HRD fails with the K3 on either computer (symptoms already discussed in > prior postings) > K3 is fully updated and no connection changes have been made in over 6 > months except to test > ???? (replaced all lines for testing purposes) > K3 is currently operated using a Genovation and K-Pod - works wonderful!!! > > At this point I am done wasting time on using HRD for the K3. For > whatever reason, it does not perform as I expect. I can use it - just > not expect to do multiple QSYs at a fast pace (such as checking various > net frequencies quickly). Others mileage may vary. > > Bill W2BLC K-Line > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dave at nk7z.net From billclarke at nycap.rr.com Fri Aug 10 12:46:12 2018 From: billclarke at nycap.rr.com (Bill) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2018 12:46:12 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] HRD slow accessing K3 frequency controls In-Reply-To: <1d42365d-1333-cc7b-c3b6-7572bfc34f83@nycap.rr.com> References: <1d42365d-1333-cc7b-c3b6-7572bfc34f83@nycap.rr.com> Message-ID: <1ca9f300-9a30-3b51-d998-3f6f4e782393@nycap.rr.com> Also have noticed that when using the K-Pod to QSY: HRD is very slow to report the current frequency and cannot keep up with the VFO. The K3 display works properly with the K-Pod. Bill W2BLC K-Line From billclarke at nycap.rr.com Fri Aug 10 09:33:07 2018 From: billclarke at nycap.rr.com (Bill) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2018 09:33:07 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] HRD slow accessing K3 frequency controls In-Reply-To: <1ca9f300-9a30-3b51-d998-3f6f4e782393@nycap.rr.com> References: <1ca9f300-9a30-3b51-d998-3f6f4e782393@nycap.rr.com> Message-ID: <251fd50a-724f-6acc-54a7-2f9a7bd1f764@nycap.rr.com> Got it!? It was suggested in an email that I install an old version of HRD. I did that (5.24.xxx) and sure enough - all is working just fine now. Question is: Is it the fault of a Windows update? Is it the fault of an updated version of HRD. Fact is: It is not the fault of the K3! The jury of users can figure the rest out - I will merely run the old version of HRD and enjoy it. Bill W2BLC K-Line From billclarke at nycap.rr.com Fri Aug 10 10:03:07 2018 From: billclarke at nycap.rr.com (Bill) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2018 10:03:07 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] HRD slow accessing K3 frequency controls In-Reply-To: <251fd50a-724f-6acc-54a7-2f9a7bd1f764@nycap.rr.com> References: <251fd50a-724f-6acc-54a7-2f9a7bd1f764@nycap.rr.com> Message-ID: I will amend the above: It is not the fault of MY K3. From tony.kaz at verizon.net Fri Aug 10 11:14:53 2018 From: tony.kaz at verizon.net (N2TK, Tony) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2018 11:14:53 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 - adding fans Message-ID: <097901d430bc$e407d350$ac1779f0$@verizon.net> For the heck of it brought my KPA1500 from the basement to the shack desk. Ran a test with 10 CQ?s on 6M with 1K out on FT8. By the time the CQ?s were done the amp temp was up to about 75C. The amp is set so the fan is always on at #1. Added two 4? 110VAC fans in series to cut down the speed and noise and covered the exhaust holes on the top of the amp to extract air. Then I tried with just one 4? fan in the center running full speed. Bottom line there was virtually no difference in the top temp of the amp with these settings. I know, not very scientific. Just seeing if there would be a noticeable difference with adding fans. Time to move the amp back to the basement. I never hear my amps ? 73, N2TK, Tony From dick.w7zr at gmail.com Fri Aug 10 11:28:21 2018 From: dick.w7zr at gmail.com (Richard Zalewski) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2018 08:28:21 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 - adding fans In-Reply-To: <097901d430bc$e407d350$ac1779f0$@verizon.net> References: <097901d430bc$e407d350$ac1779f0$@verizon.net> Message-ID: Very good info Tony. Saves me the experiment. I think it also shows that the guys at Elecraft did a good job in cooling design. Richard *W7ZR* ex:5C5Z, CN2ZR, K2JSP, W6SBZ, W7KXR, K9ZIJ, W9KNF, W0KDF, W0MQU, J68ZR, KC6ZR, PJ4/W7ZR, KH2,W7ZR, KH6/W7ZR, V31ZR, VK4AAZ, XE2DV *Be joyful in hope, patient in affliction, faithful in prayer* On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 8:19 AM N2TK, Tony wrote: > For the heck of it brought my KPA1500 from the basement to the shack desk. > Ran a test with 10 CQ?s on 6M with 1K out on FT8. By the time the CQ?s were > done the amp temp was up to about 75C. The amp is set so the fan is always > on at #1. > Added two 4? 110VAC fans in series to cut down the speed and noise and > covered the exhaust holes on the top of the amp to extract air. Then I > tried with just one 4? fan in the center running full speed. Bottom line > there was virtually no difference in the top temp of the amp with these > settings. > I know, not very scientific. Just seeing if there would be a noticeable > difference with adding fans. > Time to move the amp back to the basement. I never hear my amps ? > 73, > N2TK, Tony > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dick.w7zr at gmail.com From aj9c at indy.rr.com Fri Aug 10 12:20:27 2018 From: aj9c at indy.rr.com (Mike Kasrich) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2018 12:20:27 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Noise cancelling headphones Message-ID: <404f2d2d-ab92-d571-77bb-591a01dc3a4c@indy.rr.com> I've used the QC-15 and the are good. I had a headset buddy but the boom was "limp" it worked. I have a Uflymic for the QC15 if anyone has an interest. My choice now is the Bose QC25 and modmic by Antlion.? The QC25 has been replaced by the QC35 so you can get a "25" in an affordable range. From k9jri at mac.com Fri Aug 10 12:31:54 2018 From: k9jri at mac.com (Michael Blake) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2018 12:31:54 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Noise cancelling headphones In-Reply-To: <404f2d2d-ab92-d571-77bb-591a01dc3a4c@indy.rr.com> References: <404f2d2d-ab92-d571-77bb-591a01dc3a4c@indy.rr.com> Message-ID: <690394D7-CF3E-486C-9896-489B18C4BF48@mac.com> I also used a QC15 and then moved to the QC25 and found that either is a very comfortable headset to wear for long periods of time. The little microphone that ?dangles? in the cord actually works quite well with both the K3s and KX3 in most surroundings. All that it requires is a good TRRS jack to two TRS male plugs adapter. I have tried a couple of the add on boom mics but I prefer to use my desk microphone (Shure SM57 or EV RE50N/D B) most of the time. Very 73 - Mike - K9JRI > On Aug 10, 2018, at 12:20 PM, Mike Kasrich wrote: > > I've used the QC-15 and the are good. I had a headset buddy but the boom was "limp" it worked. I have a Uflymic for the QC15 if anyone has an interest. > > > My choice now is the Bose QC25 and modmic by Antlion. The QC25 has been replaced by the QC35 so you can get a "25" in an affordable range. > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k9jri at mac.com From kf7gc at yahoo.com Fri Aug 10 12:49:13 2018 From: kf7gc at yahoo.com (Tomy Ivan) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2018 16:49:13 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] FS K2-100 References: <1753508064.5445420.1533919753871.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1753508064.5445420.1533919753871@mail.yahoo.com> ?I have a very nice K2 for sale, serial number 5702 with the following: KAT2 Auto Tuner KDSP2? Internal DSP Filter and real -Time Clock K160RX 160 meter module with receive Antenna Switch KSB2 SSB Adapter, with mods for a better audio out sound. KPA100 100 Watt Amp and RS-232 I/O (K2/100) KAT100 External auto tuner in the EC2 large cabinet.Kenwood Hand Mic. I have also the noise Blanker kit not built. All the Manuals and cables. Pics on request! All working nicely! $1175.00 Insured and Shipped CONUSA Contact me at kf7gc at yahoo.com 73! Tomy KF7GC AZ STM, A1-Operator NM AZ Section Net, ORS,?www.atenaz.net From tomg3olb at gmail.com Fri Aug 10 13:13:08 2018 From: tomg3olb at gmail.com (Tom Boucher) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2018 18:13:08 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] Aged K3 - connector replacement Message-ID: After deliberating for years about my ability to change the 28 way motherboard to front panel connector on my 10 year old K3 for a gold plated one, I finally plucked up the courage and did the job in about 2 hours. Elecraft supplied me with a replacement connector some years ago. I have to say it was a lot easier than I expected and hopefully will now perform without all sorts of random faults being displayed and regular removal and re-fitting of the front panel. So if, like me, you are not sure about doing the job, remove the front panel and top and front bottom panels to give maximum access. Remove the old connector by snipping the plastic between each pin one at a time, use a solder sucker and hold the pin while removing it with a small croc clip. When they are all out, clean solder out of all the holes with fine solder-wick braid and flux. The new connector should then push into place. Re-solder on the opposite side of the board to the connector and the solder will flow through and around each pin. My K3 appears to be working perfectly now, so am hoping it will now stay that way! 73, Tom G3OLB From d_hudson at outlook.com Fri Aug 10 13:35:51 2018 From: d_hudson at outlook.com (Douglas Hudson) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2018 17:35:51 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Noise cancelling headphones In-Reply-To: <404f2d2d-ab92-d571-77bb-591a01dc3a4c@indy.rr.com> References: <404f2d2d-ab92-d571-77bb-591a01dc3a4c@indy.rr.com> Message-ID: I have two pair Bose QC15 and one less costly headphones ($125), all of which are about three years old. The black coating on every one of the ear piece cushions has deteriorated and flacked off. The sets work properly and I like them but I could do without the black poof all over the place. Doug H K7CUU From K8ZCT at ARRL.NET Fri Aug 10 13:52:52 2018 From: K8ZCT at ARRL.NET (K8ZCT) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2018 10:52:52 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 - adding fans In-Reply-To: <097901d430bc$e407d350$ac1779f0$@verizon.net> References: <097901d430bc$e407d350$ac1779f0$@verizon.net> Message-ID: <1533923572114-0.post@n2.nabble.com> My KPA1500 is S/N 00059. I don't operate full power all the time. I live in a compromised antenna area, and so I will use the amp as required to make contacts that are difficult assuming I can hear the station well enough to have the QSO. I have not had problems with the weird display issue that has been reported, and also someone recently replaced their antenna tuner to solve a problem which I have not seen either yet. Thanks for this site, as it gives us a heads up if we would have similar issues with our equipment. Maybe I don't run the amp hard enough, my antenna will take 1500 watts, but I probably never push it that hard for long periods. I run FT8, but with 100 watts or less and I have made plenty of contacts. FT8 is whole another discussion. SSB is the least difficult for the amp to deal with. CW is harder and RTTY, FM,FT8 and AM are the worst. The fans on the power supply make some noise, but I have had several tube amps over the last 40 years that are louder. I haven't installed the latest software update issued in July, so I need to see if that makes any difference. I was involved with the design specification, and purchase of medium and high voltage transformers for my career. Cooling of electrical equipment is a little more complex than just installing fans. There are proper air flow requirements to look at in the design, so the air doesn't get short circuited, and actually hurt the process. So more air isn't always better if it is not properly applied. Transformers have RTD's or Thermocouples imbedded in the windings to measure transformer temperature, because that is the "hottest spot" of any transformer. The hot spot temperature is made up of the ambient air temperature normally 40 C maximum is used with a 30C average over a 24 hour period, and the temperature rise of the unit under load. Most electrical equipment design is based on a 40C maximum ambient but I didn't see in the manual what Elecraft considered for a maximum. Regardless, the ambient heat around the amplifier must be controlled and not trapped around the unit. An air conditioned space or proper ventilating for area is critical. If you don't remove the heat your unit will work harder and could make more noise than other units. Wayne or Eric can comment, but RF amplifiers must follow similar laws of physics. The heat sink temperature must be maintained or the devices primarily the LDMOS final amp units will fail. There are average and maximums I would assume are used in the Elecraft design. Ambient air must be kept at a certain maximum and air flows must not be restricted. At this time, it good to provide feedback to the vendor on operational concerns of the equipment, and I did plenty of that over the years. However, I usually realized there were some people, who did this for a living, and I was a consumer maybe a smart consumer, but still I didn't design transformers as my main employment. With all the KPA1500's still under warranty I don't think it is a good idea to modify or change anything with regards to the operation, and design of the KPA1500. Again, I am not Wayne or Eric, but I think you are doing it at your risk. I will wait for Wayne and Eric to come out with improvements, and updates based on customer and other inputs, but I will not modify the KPA1500 in anyway including external programs that change the operation without the supplier approval. I guess after the warranty period anyone can do what they want, but don't expect the supplier to honor any warranty issues that may have been created due to prior modifications of operation. Just as with a transformer, cooling of an RF amplifier is critical to the proper operation and long term reliability and life of the unit. Heat is the main cause of failure of any electrical equipment! Bill, K8ZCT -- Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ From Gary at ka1j.com Fri Aug 10 14:20:46 2018 From: Gary at ka1j.com (Gary Smith) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2018 14:20:46 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Noise cancelling headphones In-Reply-To: References: <404f2d2d-ab92-d571-77bb-591a01dc3a4c@indy.rr.com>, Message-ID: <5B6DD77E.2268.4D5BE4E@Gary.ka1j.com> New replacement pads on fleabay for $15. The old pads do not do well with sweat & body oils. 73, Gary KA1J > I have two pair Bose QC15 and one less costly headphones ($125), all > of which are about three years old. The black coating on every one of > the ear piece cushions has deteriorated and flacked off. The sets > work properly and I like them but I could do without the black poof > all over the place. > > Doug H > K7CUU > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to gary at ka1j.com > From ghyoungman at gmail.com Fri Aug 10 14:21:06 2018 From: ghyoungman at gmail.com (Grant Youngman) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2018 14:21:06 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Noise cancelling headphones In-Reply-To: References: <404f2d2d-ab92-d571-77bb-591a01dc3a4c@indy.rr.com> Message-ID: <0C9294C2-69A4-41B0-BF1A-6F89523E16C5@gmail.com> Bose sells replacement earpads ? not overly pricey. Grant NQ5T K3 #2091 KX3 #8342 > On Aug 10, 2018, at 1:35 PM, Douglas Hudson wrote: > > I have two pair Bose QC15 and one less costly headphones ($125), all of which are about three years old. The black coating on every one of the ear piece cushions has deteriorated and flacked off. The sets work properly and I like them but I could do without the black poof all over the place. > > Doug H > K7CUU > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to ghyoungman at gmail.com From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Fri Aug 10 14:26:57 2018 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2018 11:26:57 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 - adding fans In-Reply-To: <1533923572114-0.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <097901d430bc$e407d350$ac1779f0$@verizon.net> <1533923572114-0.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: This is an excellent post, and I agree with all of it. I will add that acoustic considerations also STRONGLY affect the noise produced in any ventilation system, and it is science more than an art. The engineers who specialize in this field are called acoustic consultants, their formal training is in physics and mechanical engineering, and the acoustics specialization begins at the Masters Degree level. In my professional life (I'm long retired) I worked with professionals in this discipline in the design of sound systems and acoustics for large public spaces, where one of their concerns was making very good HVAC systems so quiet that they could not be heard in concert halls. The considerations there are same as in the KPA1500 -- the turbulence (or lack thereof) of air flow, the path, air speed, the fans themselves, vibration isolation. I do NOT recommend that users experiment with ventilation. I DO strongly urge Elecraft to retain the services of a good acoustic consultant to address complaints I've seen about fan noise. 73, Jim K9YC On 8/10/2018 10:52 AM, K8ZCT wrote: > My KPA1500 is S/N 00059. I don't operate full power all the time. I live in a > compromised antenna > area, and so I will use the amp as required to make contacts that are > difficult assuming I can hear the station well enough to have the QSO. > > I have not had problems with the weird display issue that has been reported, > and also someone recently replaced their antenna tuner to solve a problem > which I have not seen either yet. Thanks for this site, as it gives us a > heads up if we would have similar issues with our equipment. > > Maybe I don't run the amp hard enough, my antenna will take 1500 watts, but > I probably never push it that hard for long periods. I run FT8, but with 100 > watts or less and I have made plenty of contacts. FT8 is whole another > discussion. SSB is the least difficult for the amp to deal with. CW is > harder and RTTY, FM,FT8 and AM are the worst. > > The fans on the power supply make some noise, but I have had several tube > amps over the last 40 years that are louder. I haven't installed the latest > software update issued in July, so I need to see if that makes any > difference. > > I was involved with the design specification, and purchase of medium and > high voltage transformers for my career. Cooling of electrical equipment is > a little more complex than just installing fans. There are proper air flow > requirements to look at in the design, so the air doesn't get short > circuited, and actually hurt the process. So more air isn't always better if > it is not properly applied. > > Transformers have RTD's or Thermocouples imbedded in the windings to measure > transformer temperature, because that is the "hottest spot" of any > transformer. The hot spot temperature is made up of the ambient air > temperature normally 40 C maximum is used with a 30C average over a 24 hour > period, and the temperature rise of the unit under load. Most electrical > equipment design is based on a 40C maximum ambient but I didn't see in the > manual what Elecraft considered for a maximum. Regardless, the ambient heat > around the amplifier must be controlled and not trapped around the unit. > An air conditioned space or proper ventilating for area is critical. If you > don't remove the heat your unit will work harder and could make more noise > than other units. > > Wayne or Eric can comment, but RF amplifiers must follow similar laws of > physics. The heat sink temperature must be maintained or the devices > primarily the LDMOS final amp units will fail. There are average and > maximums I would assume are used in the Elecraft design. Ambient air must be > kept at a certain maximum and air flows must not be restricted. > > At this time, it good to provide feedback to the vendor on operational > concerns of the equipment, and I did plenty of that over the years. However, > I usually realized there were some people, who did this for a living, and I > was a consumer maybe a smart consumer, but still I didn't design > transformers as my main employment. > > With all the KPA1500's still under warranty I don't think it is a good idea > to modify or change anything with regards to the operation, and design of > the KPA1500. Again, I am not Wayne or Eric, but I think you are doing it at > your risk. > > I will wait for Wayne and Eric to come out with improvements, and updates > based on customer and other inputs, but I will not modify the KPA1500 in > anyway including external programs that change the operation without the > supplier approval. I guess after the warranty period anyone can do what they > want, but don't expect the supplier to honor any warranty issues that may > have been created due to prior modifications of operation. > > Just as with a transformer, cooling of an RF amplifier is critical to the > proper operation and long term reliability and life of the unit. Heat is the > main cause of failure of any electrical equipment! > > > Bill, K8ZCT > > > > > > > -- > Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to jim at audiosystemsgroup.com > From KeepWalking188 at ac0c.com Fri Aug 10 14:32:40 2018 From: KeepWalking188 at ac0c.com (Jeff Blaine) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2018 13:32:40 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 - adding fans In-Reply-To: References: <097901d430bc$e407d350$ac1779f0$@verizon.net> <1533923572114-0.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: The kind of noise the amp makes is related to but a separate issue to the loudness.? Last night I was doing some comparison listening while trying to find some DX on 20m and noticed that while the FAN2 setting was definitely louder than FAN1, it seems a more "pleasant" noise compared to FAN1 which tends to have some sort of a sequel-type note to the sound it makes. 73/jeff/ac0c alpha-charlie-zero-charlie www.ac0c.com On 10-Aug-18 1:26 PM, Jim Brown wrote: > This is an excellent post, and I agree with all of it. > > I will add that acoustic considerations also STRONGLY affect the noise > produced in any ventilation system, and it is science more than an > art. The engineers who specialize in this field are called acoustic > consultants, their formal training is in physics and mechanical > engineering, and the acoustics specialization begins at the Masters > Degree level. In my professional life (I'm long retired) I worked with > professionals in this discipline in the design of sound systems and > acoustics for large public spaces, where one of their concerns was > making very good HVAC systems so quiet that they could not be heard in > concert halls. The considerations there are same as in the KPA1500 -- > the turbulence (or lack thereof) of air flow, the path, air speed, the > fans themselves, vibration isolation. > > I do NOT recommend that users experiment with ventilation. I DO > strongly urge Elecraft to retain the services of a good acoustic > consultant to address complaints I've seen about fan noise. > > 73, Jim K9YC > > > > On 8/10/2018 10:52 AM, K8ZCT wrote: >> My KPA1500 is S/N 00059. I don't operate full power all the time. I >> live in a >> compromised antenna >> area, and so I will use the amp as required to make contacts that are >> difficult assuming I can hear the station well enough to have the QSO. >> >> I have not had problems with the weird display issue that has been >> reported, >> and also someone recently replaced their antenna tuner to solve a >> problem >> which I have not seen either yet. Thanks for this site, as it gives us a >> heads up if we would have similar issues with our equipment. >> >> Maybe I don't run the amp hard enough, my antenna will take 1500 >> watts, but >> I probably never push it that hard for long periods. I run FT8, but >> with 100 >> watts or less and I have made plenty of contacts. FT8 is whole another >> discussion. SSB is the least difficult for the amp to deal with. CW is >> harder and RTTY, FM,FT8 and AM are the worst. >> >> The fans on the power supply make some noise, but I have had several >> tube >> amps over the last 40 years that are louder. I haven't installed the >> latest >> software update issued in July, so I need to see if that makes any >> difference. >> >> I was involved with the design specification, and purchase of medium and >> high voltage transformers for my career. Cooling of electrical >> equipment is >> a little more complex than just installing fans. There are proper air >> flow >> requirements to look at in the design, so the air doesn't get short >> circuited, and actually hurt the process. So more air isn't always >> better if >> it is not properly applied. >> >> Transformers have RTD's or Thermocouples imbedded in the windings to >> measure >> transformer temperature, because that is the "hottest spot" of any >> transformer. The hot spot temperature is made up of the ambient air >> temperature normally 40 C maximum is used with a 30C average over a >> 24 hour >> period, and the temperature rise of the unit under load. Most electrical >> equipment design is based on a 40C maximum ambient but I didn't see >> in the >> manual what Elecraft considered for a maximum. Regardless, the >> ambient heat >> around the amplifier must be controlled and not trapped around the unit. >> An air conditioned space or proper ventilating for area is critical. >> If you >> don't remove the heat your unit will work harder and could make more >> noise >> than other units. >> >> Wayne or Eric can comment, but RF amplifiers must follow similar laws of >> physics. The heat sink temperature must be maintained or the devices >> primarily the LDMOS final amp units will fail. There are average and >> maximums I would assume are used in the Elecraft design. Ambient air >> must be >> kept at a certain maximum and air flows must not be restricted. >> >> At this time, it good to provide feedback to the vendor on operational >> concerns of the equipment, and I did plenty of that over the years. >> However, >> I usually realized there were some people, who did this for a living, >> and I >> was a consumer maybe a smart consumer, but still I didn't design >> transformers as my main employment. >> >> With all the KPA1500's still under warranty I don't think it is a >> good idea >> to modify or change anything with regards to the operation, and >> design of >> the KPA1500. Again, I am not Wayne or Eric, but I think you are doing >> it at >> your risk. >> >> I will wait for Wayne and Eric to come out with improvements, and >> updates >> based on customer and other inputs, but I will not modify the KPA1500 in >> anyway including external programs that change the operation without the >> supplier approval. I guess after the warranty period anyone can do >> what they >> want, but don't expect the supplier to honor any warranty issues that >> may >> have been created due to prior modifications of operation. >> >> Just as with a transformer, cooling of an RF amplifier is critical to >> the >> proper operation and long term reliability and life of the unit. Heat >> is the >> main cause of failure of any electrical equipment! >> >> >> Bill, K8ZCT >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to jim at audiosystemsgroup.com >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to keepwalking188 at ac0c.com > From lists at subich.com Fri Aug 10 14:50:33 2018 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2018 14:50:33 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] HRD slow accessing K3 frequency controls In-Reply-To: <251fd50a-724f-6acc-54a7-2f9a7bd1f764@nycap.rr.com> References: <1ca9f300-9a30-3b51-d998-3f6f4e782393@nycap.rr.com> <251fd50a-724f-6acc-54a7-2f9a7bd1f764@nycap.rr.com> Message-ID: <4e4417eb-6a20-a502-7283-269a2f7520f5@subich.com> Note: The K3/K3S Programmers Reference specifically states that the FA; command (change frequency) requires 0.5 seconds when changing bands and that *all command handling is deferred until the process is complete*. I don't know if band changes enter into the equation for you but if an earlier version of HRD operated correctly and the current version does not, the fault would appear to lie with HRD. I suggest you raise a bug report with HRD LLC either through their support organization, if you have a current support subscription or via the HRD Support forum if you are not a current subscriber. HRD LLC released 6.4.0.876 yesterday. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 2018-08-10 9:33 AM, Bill wrote: > Got it!? It was suggested in an email that I install an old version of > HRD. I did that (5.24.xxx) and sure enough - all is working just fine now. > > Question is: > > Is it the fault of a Windows update? > > Is it the fault of an updated version of HRD. > > Fact is: > > It is not the fault of the K3! > > The jury of users can figure the rest out - I will merely run the old > version of HRD and enjoy it. > > Bill W2BLC K-Line > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to lists at subich.com From n6kr at elecraft.com Fri Aug 10 17:14:48 2018 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2018 14:14:48 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Problem with using a muffin fan on top of a KPA1500 Message-ID: <544BF2D1-4490-4459-B351-1818E8D3FC38@elecraft.com> A muffin fan (or other large fan) placed on top of the KPA1500 will, of course, cool the heat sink. However, it will also delay or even prevent onset of the amplifier's own fans. This is a problem because the amp's fans cool both the heat sink *and* the interior of the amplifier. Due to the power levels involved, many components on the PC boards require cooling, including low-pass filter inductors, relays, and high-wattage resistors in the T/R switch and attenuator. Please do not use external fans to cool the amplifier's heat sink. 73, Wayne N6KR From alan at wilcoxengineering.com Fri Aug 10 20:03:23 2018 From: alan at wilcoxengineering.com (Alan D. Wilcox) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2018 20:03:23 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] FS: Lambda & HP linear power supplies Message-ID: <1B79B30D-DBCD-400C-88AF-36A29F7EBE2E@wilcoxengineering.com> Hello, Selling two linear supplies that I?ve not used in awhile: Lambda LM CC12 with OVP protector 12V +- 5% but extends beyond, 7.3A With 120V and 12V cables. Connector for K2. With manuals. Minor scratch on one side. Weighs about 15 lbs before packing. $95 + shipping, OBO HP 6111A lab supply 0-20V, 0-1A; metered, current-limit adjust. Perfect for bench experiments. Thumb wheels set voltage, but a bit off; meter shows correct voltage. Weight about 12 lbs before packing. $150 + shipping, OBO. Have photos ? I?ll send on request. Cheers, Alan Alan D. Wilcox, W3DVX (K2-5373, K3-40) 570-478-0736 (cell, text) http://amazon.com/author/alandwilcox Williamsport, PA 17701 From n6tv at arrl.net Fri Aug 10 23:26:30 2018 From: n6tv at arrl.net (Bob Wilson, N6TV) Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2018 20:26:30 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Announcing the new Serial Box USB with built-in FTDI USB-to-Serial adapter Message-ID: "The Serial Box" (S-BOX) is intended to be the "Swiss Army Knife" of interface boxes, with many possible configurations and uses, for both Elecraft and non-Elecraft gear alike. The S-BOX is now available in a new model, the Serial Box USB (S-BOX-USB), which has a genuine FTDI USB-to-Serial adapter built in, providing a single virtual serial port. See https://bit.ly/S-BOX for new photos, details, and pricing. A compatible USB cable is included with every new S-BOX-USB ordered. The original S-BOX remains in production and may be ordered instead, if you already have an FTDI USB-to-Serial adapter, or enough real serial ports available for rig control and keying. To review, both models eliminate serial Y-cable confusion and complexity. They make it particularly easy to connect any modern transceiver to *both* your computer *and* an Elecraft / SPE / ACOM amplifier *and* a SteppIR controller / KRC2 / ShackMaster SM-8, all at the same time, with automatic band changes for all connected devices, and no serial port "collisions." Both the S-BOX and S-BOX-USB can be used to connect a PC or MAC to the KX2, KX3, K3, or K3S. They also can be used to connect the KPA500 and KPA1500 to a KX2, KX3, and most non-Elecraft transceivers, with automatic band switching. KUSB, KXSER, KXUSB, or KX2ACBL? Not really needed if you have an S-BOX. Economical phono and standard serial cables can do it all, no soldering required. The four open-collector keying circuits inside the S-BOX provide computer-generated CW, FSK, and PTT keying to one or two transceivers, with good timing, even when using a USB connection (if FTDI, not Prolific). This works with any transceiver, including the KX2 and KX3, which do not provide internal CW keying circuits like the K3 and K3S. Finally, RemoteHams software users are finding it especially convenient to use the S-BOX to remotely power up a K3 and amplifier, using the "Use RTS as Power" feature built-in to the RemoteHams RCForb software -- RemoteRig hardware is *not* required. For the latest eHam.net reviews of the S-BOX, see: https://www.eham.net/reviews/detail/13971 Thanks for your support. 73, Bob, N6TV https://bit.ly/S-BOX https://bit.ly/Y-BOX From alan at wilcoxengineering.com Sat Aug 11 18:24:47 2018 From: alan at wilcoxengineering.com (Alan D. Wilcox) Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2018 18:24:47 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] FS: Lambda & HP linear supplies = PHOTO link Message-ID: <096D1B3C-5FB5-44A0-85E2-0D6993822180@wilcoxengineering.com> Photos on Dropbox at https://www.dropbox.com/sh/5sswg3ubgevjr61/AABHBrgyMur1N4jKd7PhLIHoa?dl=0 If it doesn?t work for you, I?ll eMail the link directly to you. :) ====================== Hello, Selling two linear supplies that I?ve not used in awhile: Lambda LM CC12 with OVP protector 12V +- 5% but extends beyond, 7.3A With 120V and 12V cables. Connector for K2. With manuals. Minor scratch on one side. Weighs about 15 lbs before packing. $95 + shipping, OBO HP 6111A lab supply 0-20V, 0-1A; metered, current-limit adjust. Perfect for bench experiments. Thumb wheels set voltage, but a bit off; meter shows correct voltage. Weight about 12 lbs before packing. $150 + shipping, OBO. Have photos ? I?ll send on request. Cheers, Alan Alan D. Wilcox, W3DVX (K2-5373, K3-40) 570-478-0736 (cell, text) http://amazon.com/author/alandwilcox Williamsport, PA 17701 From phils at riousa.com Sat Aug 11 19:45:47 2018 From: phils at riousa.com (Phil Shepard) Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2018 16:45:47 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft SSB Nets In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <87138153-D7EE-4B83-B950-2FDC70B6FF7B@riousa.com> Elecraft SSB Net 7-15-2018 WB9JNZ Eric IL K3 4017 Net Control AE6JV Bill CA K3 6299 W7QHD Kurt AZ KX3 8697 KG7LOA Ted WA DRAKE R4C E4XB 1ST TIME CHECK IN NS7P Phil OR K3 1826 WM6P Steve CA K3 8133 KE7AVO Paul IN K3S 11103 1ST TIME CHECK IN K6VWE Stan MI K3 650 KC6ZKT Steve CA KX2 1432 VE6HDS Bryan AB K3S10007 N4NRW Roger SC K3 1318 K8NU Carl OH K3S 10099 K7BRR Bill OR K3S 10939 WB6QNS Jerry NM K3 7936 1ST TIME CHECK IN K9PY Jerry IL K3 4023 1ST TIME CHECK IN KC9USC Robert IL KX3 4460 Elecraft SSB Net 7-22-2018 WB9JNZ Eric IL K3 4017 Net Control N9SRA Steve IL ICOM 746 N4NRW Roger SC K3 1318 NC0JW Jim CO KX3 1356 W4DML Doug TN K3 6433 W7QHD Kurt AZ KX3 8697 N0MPM Mike IA KX3 8820 KC9USC Robert IL KX3 4460 W7REK Glenn AZ K3 2243 NA5C Steve TX K3S 10121 K6WVE Stan MI K3 650 KE7HGE Ken WA KX3 4540 AI6B Brian CA KX2 ? K8NU Carl OH K3S 10996 WA9SUG Al IL icom7700 8/5/2018 Elecraft SSB Net Call Name Loc. Rig S/N WB9JNZ* ERIC WISCONSIN IC7000 NC0JW JIM KANSAS KX3 1356 K8NU CARL OHIO K3S 10996 K6VWE STAN MICH K3 650 W7REK GLEN AZ K3 2843 KA0MBC SHERMAN MINN IC718 N1RJK ROB NJ 756 P3 W7QHD KURT AZ KX3 8697 NS7P* PHIL OR K3 1826 KD0YSW KEN MINN KX3 1547 W1NGA AL COLO K3 5765 KC6ZKT STEVE CALF IC7300/KPA500 WM6P STEVE GA K3S 11453 W4JSH JEFF TN K3 2378 N6MEL MEL CALF K2 2410 AF8M RICK MICH K3S 11153 WB0BEU STEVE COLO KX3 7048 N7BDL TERRY AZ K3S 10373 N2TNQ LEN NJ K3 5270 N3REB DALE PA KX2 (8w) 558 WB6QNS TERRY NM K3 7936 K7JG JOHN WASH KX3 3519 KM4QBC JEFF NC TENTEC JUPITER NET CONTROL N4NRW RODGER SC K3 1318 * RELAY STATIONS From KY5G at montac.com Sat Aug 11 20:18:19 2018 From: KY5G at montac.com (Clay Autery) Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2018 19:18:19 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Announcing the new Serial Box USB with built-in FTDI USB-to-Serial adapter In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Yup!? You just moved the S-Box up the list of priorities to buy by a large number of spots with this move!? :) 73, ______________________ Clay Autery, KY5G (318) 518-1389 On 10-Aug-18 22:26, Bob Wilson, N6TV wrote: > "The Serial Box" (S-BOX) is intended to be the "Swiss Army Knife" of > interface boxes, with many possible configurations and uses, for both > Elecraft and non-Elecraft gear alike. > > The S-BOX is now available in a new model, the Serial Box USB (S-BOX-USB), > which has a genuine FTDI USB-to-Serial adapter built in, providing a single > virtual serial port. > > See https://bit.ly/S-BOX for new photos, details, and pricing. A > compatible USB cable is included with every new S-BOX-USB ordered. > > The original S-BOX remains in production and may be ordered instead, if you > already have an FTDI USB-to-Serial adapter, or enough real serial ports > available for rig control and keying. > > To review, both models eliminate serial Y-cable confusion and complexity. > They make it particularly easy to connect any modern transceiver to *both* your > computer *and* an Elecraft / SPE / ACOM amplifier *and* a SteppIR > controller / KRC2 / ShackMaster SM-8, all at the same time, with automatic > band changes for all connected devices, and no serial port "collisions." > > Both the S-BOX and S-BOX-USB can be used to connect a PC or MAC to the KX2, > KX3, K3, or K3S. They also can be used to connect the KPA500 and KPA1500 > to a KX2, KX3, and most non-Elecraft transceivers, with automatic band > switching. KUSB, KXSER, KXUSB, or KX2ACBL? Not really needed if you have > an S-BOX. Economical phono and standard serial cables can do it all, no > soldering required. > > The four open-collector keying circuits inside the S-BOX provide > computer-generated CW, FSK, and PTT keying to one or two transceivers, with > good timing, even when using a USB connection (if FTDI, not Prolific). > This works with any transceiver, including the KX2 and KX3, which do not > provide internal CW keying circuits like the K3 and K3S. > > Finally, RemoteHams software users are finding it especially convenient to > use the S-BOX to remotely power up a K3 and amplifier, using the "Use RTS > as Power" feature built-in to the RemoteHams RCForb > software -- RemoteRig hardware is *not* > required. > > For the latest eHam.net reviews of the S-BOX, see: > > https://www.eham.net/reviews/detail/13971 > > Thanks for your support. > > 73, > Bob, N6TV From w7hsg at comcast.net Sat Aug 11 20:53:52 2018 From: w7hsg at comcast.net (Ralph S. Turk) Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2018 18:53:52 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft SSB Nets In-Reply-To: <87138153-D7EE-4B83-B950-2FDC70B6FF7B@riousa.com> References: <87138153-D7EE-4B83-B950-2FDC70B6FF7B@riousa.com> Message-ID: <260904356.724167.1534035232950@connect.xfinity.com> What Day, time (gmt) > On August 11, 2018 at 5:45 PM Phil Shepard wrote: > > > > Elecraft SSB Net 7-15-2018 > > WB9JNZ Eric IL K3 4017 Net Control > > AE6JV Bill CA K3 6299 > > W7QHD Kurt AZ KX3 8697 > > KG7LOA Ted WA DRAKE R4C E4XB 1ST TIME CHECK IN > > NS7P Phil OR K3 1826 > > WM6P Steve CA K3 8133 > > KE7AVO Paul IN K3S 11103 1ST TIME CHECK IN > > K6VWE Stan MI K3 650 > > KC6ZKT Steve CA KX2 1432 > > VE6HDS Bryan AB K3S10007 > > N4NRW Roger SC K3 1318 > > K8NU Carl OH K3S 10099 > > K7BRR Bill OR K3S 10939 > > WB6QNS Jerry NM K3 7936 1ST TIME CHECK IN > > K9PY Jerry IL K3 4023 1ST TIME CHECK IN > > KC9USC Robert IL KX3 4460 > > > Elecraft SSB Net 7-22-2018 > > WB9JNZ Eric IL K3 4017 Net Control > > N9SRA Steve IL ICOM 746 > > N4NRW Roger SC K3 1318 > > NC0JW Jim CO KX3 1356 > > W4DML Doug TN K3 6433 > > W7QHD Kurt AZ KX3 8697 > > N0MPM Mike IA KX3 8820 > > KC9USC Robert IL KX3 4460 > > W7REK Glenn AZ K3 2243 > > NA5C Steve TX K3S 10121 > > K6WVE Stan MI K3 650 > > KE7HGE Ken WA KX3 4540 > > AI6B Brian CA KX2 ? > > K8NU Carl OH K3S 10996 > > WA9SUG Al IL icom7700 > > > 8/5/2018 Elecraft SSB Net > > > Call Name Loc. Rig S/N > WB9JNZ* ERIC WISCONSIN IC7000 > NC0JW JIM KANSAS KX3 1356 > K8NU CARL OHIO K3S 10996 > K6VWE STAN MICH K3 650 > W7REK GLEN AZ K3 2843 > KA0MBC SHERMAN MINN IC718 > N1RJK ROB NJ 756 P3 > W7QHD KURT AZ KX3 8697 > NS7P* PHIL OR K3 1826 > KD0YSW KEN MINN KX3 1547 > W1NGA AL COLO K3 5765 > KC6ZKT STEVE CALF IC7300/KPA500 > WM6P STEVE GA K3S 11453 > W4JSH JEFF TN K3 2378 > N6MEL MEL CALF K2 2410 > AF8M RICK MICH K3S 11153 > WB0BEU STEVE COLO KX3 7048 > N7BDL TERRY AZ K3S 10373 > N2TNQ LEN NJ K3 5270 > N3REB DALE PA KX2 (8w) 558 > WB6QNS TERRY NM K3 7936 > K7JG JOHN WASH KX3 3519 > KM4QBC JEFF NC TENTEC JUPITER > > NET CONTROL > N4NRW RODGER SC K3 1318 > > * RELAY STATIONS > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to w7hsg at comcast.net From phils at riousa.com Sat Aug 11 23:20:06 2018 From: phils at riousa.com (Phil Shepard) Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2018 20:20:06 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft SSB Nets In-Reply-To: <846DF6C4-620C-476F-9922-E0F2C0F8B74C@coastside.net> References: <87138153-D7EE-4B83-B950-2FDC70B6FF7B@riousa.com> <846DF6C4-620C-476F-9922-E0F2C0F8B74C@coastside.net> Message-ID: <5E678EBC-B69B-4F73-A71D-77828EC9FD2A@riousa.com> Ron, The SSB net meets on Sunday at 1800z on 14.3035 MHz. Kevin, KD5ONS, can fill you in on the CW nets. Phil > On Aug 11, 2018, at 7:58 PM, Ron Genovesi wrote: > > Where can I find the specifics of the Elecraft nets. > > Ron Genovesi > N3ETA > Sent from my iPhone > > On Aug 11, 2018, at 4:45 PM, Phil Shepard > wrote: > >> >> Elecraft SSB Net 7-15-2018 >> >> WB9JNZ Eric IL K3 4017 Net Control >> >> AE6JV Bill CA K3 6299 >> >> W7QHD Kurt AZ KX3 8697 >> >> KG7LOA Ted WA DRAKE R4C E4XB 1ST TIME CHECK IN >> >> NS7P Phil OR K3 1826 >> >> WM6P Steve CA K3 8133 >> >> KE7AVO Paul IN K3S 11103 1ST TIME CHECK IN >> >> K6VWE Stan MI K3 650 >> >> KC6ZKT Steve CA KX2 1432 >> >> VE6HDS Bryan AB K3S10007 >> >> N4NRW Roger SC K3 1318 >> >> K8NU Carl OH K3S 10099 >> >> K7BRR Bill OR K3S 10939 >> >> WB6QNS Jerry NM K3 7936 1ST TIME CHECK IN >> >> K9PY Jerry IL K3 4023 1ST TIME CHECK IN >> >> KC9USC Robert IL KX3 4460 >> >> >> Elecraft SSB Net 7-22-2018 >> >> WB9JNZ Eric IL K3 4017 Net Control >> >> N9SRA Steve IL ICOM 746 >> >> N4NRW Roger SC K3 1318 >> >> NC0JW Jim CO KX3 1356 >> >> W4DML Doug TN K3 6433 >> >> W7QHD Kurt AZ KX3 8697 >> >> N0MPM Mike IA KX3 8820 >> >> KC9USC Robert IL KX3 4460 >> >> W7REK Glenn AZ K3 2243 >> >> NA5C Steve TX K3S 10121 >> >> K6WVE Stan MI K3 650 >> >> KE7HGE Ken WA KX3 4540 >> >> AI6B Brian CA KX2 ? >> >> K8NU Carl OH K3S 10996 >> >> WA9SUG Al IL icom7700 >> >> >> 8/5/2018 Elecraft SSB Net >> >> >> Call Name Loc. Rig S/N >> WB9JNZ* ERIC WISCONSIN IC7000 >> NC0JW JIM KANSAS KX3 1356 >> K8NU CARL OHIO K3S 10996 >> K6VWE STAN MICH K3 650 >> W7REK GLEN AZ K3 2843 >> KA0MBC SHERMAN MINN IC718 >> N1RJK ROB NJ 756 P3 >> W7QHD KURT AZ KX3 8697 >> NS7P* PHIL OR K3 1826 >> KD0YSW KEN MINN KX3 1547 >> W1NGA AL COLO K3 5765 >> KC6ZKT STEVE CALF IC7300/KPA500 >> WM6P STEVE GA K3S 11453 >> W4JSH JEFF TN K3 2378 >> N6MEL MEL CALF K2 2410 >> AF8M RICK MICH K3S 11153 >> WB0BEU STEVE COLO KX3 7048 >> N7BDL TERRY AZ K3S 10373 >> N2TNQ LEN NJ K3 5270 >> N3REB DALE PA KX2 (8w) 558 >> WB6QNS TERRY NM K3 7936 >> K7JG JOHN WASH KX3 3519 >> KM4QBC JEFF NC TENTEC JUPITER >> >> NET CONTROL >> N4NRW RODGER SC K3 1318 >> >> * RELAY STATIONS >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to n3eta at coastside.net From kevinr at coho.net Sun Aug 12 02:19:35 2018 From: kevinr at coho.net (kevinr) Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2018 23:19:35 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Announcement Message-ID: Good Evening, ?? The smoke cleared last night when a cold front came in from the Gulf of Alaska.? I stopped sneezing soon afterward.? Most of the week the smoke from the forest fires out west have dominated the river valleys.? At my elevation the less dense smoke fills the forest.? The sun hasn't been the right color in about two weeks. But the wild life continues to mature.? The young Steller's Jays have almost got their adult plumage.? You can tell they are still young from their behavior.? One family of hummingbirds is left using the feeder.? They must have had to make another nest for them to be here this late in the season.? The deer are passing through eating what they can.? The new growth of fir needles is starting to harden so the best bits are gone.? This morning's rain is helping the last of the thimble berries ripen. ?? Propagation should remain the same as it has been for the last month.? But the sun is setting noticeably earlier.? Fall conditions should begin soon.? Time for me to stop looking at peaveys and buy one.? It sure will help rolling logs as I cut them.? The cost of sharpening chains against the cost of a peavey should balance quickly. Please join us tomorrow on: 14050 kHz at 2200z Sunday (3 PM PDT Sunday) ? 7045 kHz at 0000z Monday (5 PM PDT Sunday) 73, Kevin. KD5ONS _ From cbjesseeNH at comcast.net Sun Aug 12 09:48:21 2018 From: cbjesseeNH at comcast.net (MaverickNH) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2018 06:48:21 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] [K3S] WSJT-X MSK144 Message-ID: <1534081701317-0.post@n2.nabble.com> So I'm trying WSJT-X MSK144 first time on my K3S - running 150W into a PAR AO-50 vertical loop at 30ft in Southern NH. Settings Rx 1500, F Tol 200, T/R 15s on Fast Decode (older 8 core CPU won't do Deep). By doing it wrong my local HAMs have kindly let me know to TX Odd on East Coast. I also had the K3S set on split for a while and got that fixed (off). Tx was at 50.313 in RED (how I didn't notice is beyond me). Now, set Tx 50.260.00, I got a QSO immediately during the Perseids meteor shower. Yesterday, despite wrong settings, I managed 3 QSOs from a 43ft vertical, which is a good bit less efficient than the loop, to GA, MO & IA from NH. Dunno how! Does a 6m loop or vertical, dipole tuned to 6m via base rATU) cause much havoc with nearby HAMS on MSK144 if we're all TXing Odd? Any other MSK144/K3S tips & tricks appreciated - short of "install a good Yagi on a beam" - wife says negative ;-) Thanks, 73, Bret/N4SRN -- Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ From w7hsg at comcast.net Sun Aug 12 09:57:43 2018 From: w7hsg at comcast.net (Ralph S. Turk) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2018 07:57:43 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 Message-ID: <143403961.73783.1534082264123@connect.xfinity.com> Can one use the 12vdc of the K3 to power the KAT 500? The K3 has the latest update for the 12 dc. Ralph, W7HSG/AFA9RT From dpbunte at gmail.com Sun Aug 12 10:04:35 2018 From: dpbunte at gmail.com (David Bunte) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2018 10:04:35 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 In-Reply-To: <143403961.73783.1534082264123@connect.xfinity.com> References: <143403961.73783.1534082264123@connect.xfinity.com> Message-ID: Yes. If I recall, that is why they came up with the mid. Dave - K9FN On Sun, Aug 12, 2018 at 9:58 AM Ralph S. Turk wrote: > Can one use the 12vdc of the K3 to power the KAT 500? The K3 has the > latest update for the 12 dc. > > Ralph, W7HSG/AFA9RT > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dpbunte at gmail.com > From rmcgraw at blomand.net Sun Aug 12 10:14:58 2018 From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2018 09:14:58 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] [K3S] WSJT-X MSK144 In-Reply-To: <1534081701317-0.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1534081701317-0.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: As a long time MS advocate,? "more power.....more antenna".???? I run 500 watts to a 4 element HyGain Yagi at 55 ft. You can reduce "F Tol to 100 Hz" to reduce the burden on the CPU, and use Deep Decode.? The software will configure the radio correctly.? It may set the radio to split if and as needed. Be sure to use Data A mode with the K3S and set the audio levels to attain 4 bars indicated on the ALC meter with the 5th bar flashing.? Unless "others" have a K3 or K3S, .......ignore what they say about setting the audio for no ALC.?? Elecraft radios do not work nor handle audio the same way as "others". As to other hams, there is provision in the software to work other frequencies in the split mode. ? This is the small box "TX CQ xxx"? Again, the software handles things correctly. ? ? This should alleviate any concerns with regard to QRM.??? As to transmitting,?? TX even / 1st,? I'm not aware of any specific convention.? I've done it both ways with equally good results. Again the software will set the correct sequence when answering a CQ. The frequency table in WSJT has 2 different frequencies for MS being? 50.260 and 50.360.??? Either have been very productive for me in the past 3 days with more than 50 contacts.?? I intend to push into the first of the week for both daylight showers and evening showers.?? This morning there is LOTS of activity. Good luck, this is a great shower to get ones feet wet in the MS domain. 73 Bob, K4TAX On 8/12/2018 8:48 AM, MaverickNH wrote: > So I'm trying WSJT-X MSK144 first time on my K3S - running 150W into a PAR > AO-50 vertical loop at 30ft in Southern NH. Settings Rx 1500, F Tol 200, T/R > 15s on Fast Decode (older 8 core CPU won't do Deep). By doing it wrong my > local HAMs have kindly let me know to TX Odd on East Coast. I also had the > K3S set on split for a while and got that fixed (off). Tx was at 50.313 in > RED (how I didn't notice is beyond me). Now, set Tx 50.260.00, I got a QSO > immediately during the Perseids meteor shower. > > Yesterday, despite wrong settings, I managed 3 QSOs from a 43ft vertical, > which is a good bit less efficient than the loop, to GA, MO & IA from NH. > Dunno how! > > Does a 6m loop or vertical, dipole tuned to 6m via base rATU) cause much > havoc with nearby HAMS on MSK144 if we're all TXing Odd? > > Any other MSK144/K3S tips & tricks appreciated - short of "install a good > Yagi on a beam" - wife says negative ;-) > > Thanks, 73, > > Bret/N4SRN > > > > -- > Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to rmcgraw at blomand.net > From rmcgraw at blomand.net Sun Aug 12 10:16:13 2018 From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2018 09:16:13 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 In-Reply-To: <143403961.73783.1534082264123@connect.xfinity.com> References: <143403961.73783.1534082264123@connect.xfinity.com> Message-ID: That is the better way to handle power for the KAT500. 73 Bob, K4TAX On 8/12/2018 8:57 AM, Ralph S. Turk wrote: > Can one use the 12vdc of the K3 to power the KAT 500? The K3 has the latest update for the 12 dc. > > Ralph, W7HSG/AFA9RT > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to rmcgraw at blomand.net > From w7aqk at cox.net Sun Aug 12 10:33:44 2018 From: w7aqk at cox.net (w7aqk) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2018 07:33:44 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] OT-Junk Mail Message-ID: Hi All, In this day and age it is almost impossible to keep your lines of communication "pure"! By that, I mean absent of any junk mail, anonymous callers, etc. For eons my mail box has been a repository for all sorts of unsolicited junk. Now my email addresses are being overrun as well, and even my phone keeps ringing with calls for all sorts of unwelcome sources. It's just about out of control!!!! Well, I couldn't help saying some thing here because now I am getting emails from an outfit that identifies itself as "Elycraft"!!! Fortunately, my spam filter seems to catch most of it, and separate it, but some of it sneaks directly into my regular mail. Is anyone else getting some of this from that source? The hardest to ignore are the phone calls. And, there are a bunch of them!!! They are also getting clever by usurping local numbers and area codes to make it look like they are not what they really are--trash vendors! Getting rid of them is also impossible. If you block one, they just switch to a different number!! I think this is a crisis! Anyone else agree? Dave W7AQK From ja-pierce at verizon.net Sun Aug 12 10:46:32 2018 From: ja-pierce at verizon.net (John Pierce) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2018 10:46:32 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Sold Message-ID: <000d01d4324b$43151c60$c93f5520$@verizon.net> The K3s has been sold. John AD2F From rich at wc3t.us Sun Aug 12 11:08:47 2018 From: rich at wc3t.us (rich hurd WC3T) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2018 11:08:47 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] OT-Junk Mail In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Bear with me, this is long but it works. My solution was to get a Google Voice phone number and associate it with my ?real? phone number. It keeps a record of whoever calls and as a rule I don?t answer unless I know the number - a phone screen. If they leave a voicemail that indicates a telemarketer, I add them to my Google Contacts list as an alternate number for the entry entitled ?Telemarketer.? I give my GV number to pretty much everybody now. Only trusted friends get the ?real? phone number. Now in my Google Contacts I have a group - an administrative tagging - called ?Silent.? No magic in the name, you can call it anything you want. I have instructed Google Voice to NOT ring the phone for any caller in the ?Silent? group, but to send them to voicemail directly. Kind of a call forward. And, as you can guess, ?Telemarketer? is a member of the Silent group. As a result, all I get is an email notification that I have a missed call from such-and-such number. When I spin through my emails, it?s easy to delete them. (It?s also handy to add annoying relatives to the Silent group so you see that they called, and can respond at your convenience and not theirs. :) ) On Sun, Aug 12, 2018 at 10:33 w7aqk wrote: > Hi All, > > In this day and age it is almost impossible to keep your lines of > communication "pure"! By that, I mean absent of any junk mail, anonymous > callers, etc. For eons my mail box has been a repository for all sorts of > unsolicited junk. Now my email addresses are being overrun as well, and > even my phone keeps ringing with calls for all sorts of unwelcome sources. > It's just about out of control!!!! > > Well, I couldn't help saying some thing here because now I am getting > emails > from an outfit that identifies itself as "Elycraft"!!! Fortunately, my > spam > filter seems to catch most of it, and separate it, but some of it sneaks > directly into my regular mail. Is anyone else getting some of this from > that source? > > The hardest to ignore are the phone calls. And, there are a bunch of > them!!! They are also getting clever by usurping local numbers and area > codes to make it look like they are not what they really are--trash > vendors! > Getting rid of them is also impossible. If you block one, they just > switch > to a different number!! > > I think this is a crisis! Anyone else agree? > > Dave W7AQK > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to rich at wc3t.us > -- 72, Rich Hurd / WC3T / DMR: 3142737 Northampton County RACES, EPA-ARRL Public Information Officer for Scouting Latitude: 40.761621 Longitude: -75.288988 (40?45.68' N 75?17.33' W) Grid: *FN20is* From a.frontera at gmail.com Sun Aug 12 11:11:52 2018 From: a.frontera at gmail.com (sozi81) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2018 08:11:52 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] ATU not working Message-ID: <1534086712171-0.post@n2.nabble.com> Hello everyone. I have this issue with my trustworthy Elecraft KX3. Never had an issue - always well working. Few weeks ago I decided to replace batteries and after manipulating a little bit with the Elecraft fully open (I tighten up some screws of the dissipator) .... i closed up the enclosure and I transmitteed without any problem. The day after ATU stopped working Please see video hereby attached https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zcqDIqC2YnE Any advice? -- Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ From Gary at ka1j.com Sun Aug 12 11:12:09 2018 From: Gary at ka1j.com (Gary Smith) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2018 11:12:09 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3s Transmit question Message-ID: <5B704E49.22800.1D2B2CA@Gary.ka1j.com> Last night while using the K3s and WSJT-X on meteor Scatter in the MSK144 mode I was making numerous contacts. I stopped for awhile and returned, this time noticing I was not putting out any output from the amp. The rig went into the transmit state, and the relay engaged on the amp. There was a small grid current on the amp as one gets with key down and no transmitted signal. When I eventually moved the power control on the K3s ever so slightly, it transmitted properly. I had to do this several times but did not notice it before. I re-loaded the factory settings with the Elecraft Utility and the issue remains albeit it is intermittent. Slightly moving the power knob resolves the issue. Any suggestions? 73, Gary KA1J From markmusick at sbcglobal.net Sun Aug 12 11:26:41 2018 From: markmusick at sbcglobal.net (markmusick at sbcglobal.net) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2018 15:26:41 -0000 Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 In-Reply-To: References: <143403961.73783.1534082264123@connect.xfinity.com> Message-ID: <05a501d43250$df555130$9dfff390$@sbcglobal.net> The 12V accessory jack on the K3 was upgraded from .5A to 1A for the addition of the SVGA option on the P3. This was before the KAT500 was available. The P3 draws .5A without the SVGA option and draws .7A with the SVGA option. The KAT500 draws 1A max with a specification of .2A typical. If you don't have a P3 it is probably OK to use the K3 12V accessory jack for the KAT500. If you do have a P3 with or without the SVGA option I don't think it would be a good idea to run the KAT500 power from the K3. I have a P3 with the SVGA option and run it from the K3. When I had a KAT500 I ran it from the shack 12V power supply that powered all the shack 12V accessories. Alternatively, you could run it directly from the power supply for the K3. 73, Mark, WB9CIF -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of David Bunte Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2018 2:05 PM To: Ralph S. Turk Cc: Elecraft Reflector Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KAT500 Yes. If I recall, that is why they came up with the mid. Dave - K9FN On Sun, Aug 12, 2018 at 9:58 AM Ralph S. Turk wrote: > Can one use the 12vdc of the K3 to power the KAT 500? The K3 has the > latest update for the 12 dc. > > Ralph, W7HSG/AFA9RT > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > dpbunte at gmail.com > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to markmusick at sbcglobal.net From donwilh at embarqmail.com Sun Aug 12 11:53:05 2018 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2018 11:53:05 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3s Transmit question In-Reply-To: <5B704E49.22800.1D2B2CA@Gary.ka1j.com> References: <5B704E49.22800.1D2B2CA@Gary.ka1j.com> Message-ID: <5c073c83-3d3c-39fa-f673-ef21a3636feb@embarqmail.com> Gary, Are you working in DATA A mode, and driving the audio to 4 bars solid with the 5th bar flickering on the ALC meter? That is the No ALC point for the K3/K3S/KX2/KX3. The lower bars are there to give you a guide to adjust the audio. So the common internet advice not to drive into ALC is being observed - it is just that to point where that occurs is at a full 5th bar on the ALC meter. Moving the power knob "reactivates" the power control circuits, but if you do not have enough audio, the power will not be steady - the radio will "power hunt" 73, Don W3FPR On 8/12/2018 11:12 AM, Gary Smith wrote: > Last night while using the K3s and WSJT-X > on meteor Scatter in the MSK144 mode I was > making numerous contacts. I stopped for > awhile and returned, this time noticing I > was not putting out any output from the > amp. > > The rig went into the transmit state, and > the relay engaged on the amp. There was a > small grid current on the amp as one gets > with key down and no transmitted signal. > When I eventually moved the power control > on the K3s ever so slightly, it > transmitted properly. I had to do this > several times but did not notice it > before. > > I re-loaded the factory settings with the > Elecraft Utility and the issue remains > albeit it is intermittent. Slightly moving > the power knob resolves the issue. From rv6amark at yahoo.com Sun Aug 12 11:52:47 2018 From: rv6amark at yahoo.com (Mark) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2018 08:52:47 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] ATU not working Message-ID: The 25.4:1 SWR indicates there is no antenna connected.? Check the antenna connection to the ATU board.? You may have dislodged it while replacing batteries. Mark KE6BB null From ja-pierce at verizon.net Sun Aug 12 12:06:17 2018 From: ja-pierce at verizon.net (John Pierce) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2018 12:06:17 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 for sale Message-ID: <001c01d43256$67a6fc00$36f4f400$@verizon.net> Due the sale of my K3s, I am now selling my P3 for $480. I can supply any photos you might like to see. The unit is SN 3856 and was not a factory build. I was in Computer engineering for 40 years and retired as the Quality Assurance Director for a company that was building and supplying flight worthy equipment to the Air Craft industry. That equipment is currently in use on Aircraft giving flyers internet access. The only thing that I did not know when I purchased the P3, is that Elecraft preformed Burn In on their Factory Builds. At Honeywell we also performed Burn In, whose primary purpose was to weed out weak components that could fail in early life. Using the P3 for over two years without any component failures is a good substitute for what the Factory Burn is designed to accomplish. You can confirm that with a call to Elecraft. I have built many rigs over the years and found that the P3 was not complicated to assemble. John, AD2F From Gary at ka1j.com Sun Aug 12 12:23:33 2018 From: Gary at ka1j.com (Gary Smith) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2018 12:23:33 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3s Transmit question Message-ID: <5B705F05.10210.214113A@Gary.ka1j.com> Don & Jim, Yes, I do have it set for the DATA A. The bars were with the 5th flickering. I just bumped the line from 7, to 8. Now they are solid bars, no flicker. It does seem to be OK at this moment and perhaps that is what I needed to do. It was intermittent before so will have to wait and see. I'll come back if this does not resolve the issue. Thanks for the input. 73, Gary KA1J > Gary, > > Are you working in DATA A mode, and driving the audio to 4 bars > solid with the 5th bar flickering on the ALC meter? > > That is the No ALC point for the K3/K3S/KX2/KX3. The lower bars are > there to give you a guide to adjust the audio. > > So the common internet advice not to drive into ALC is being > observed - it is just that to point where that occurs is at a full > 5th bar on the ALC meter. > > Moving the power knob "reactivates" the power control circuits, but > if you do not have enough audio, the power will not be steady - the > radio will "power hunt" > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 8/12/2018 11:12 AM, Gary Smith wrote: > > Last night while using the K3s and WSJT-X > > on meteor Scatter in the MSK144 mode I was > > making numerous contacts. I stopped for > > awhile and returned, this time noticing I > > was not putting out any output from the > > amp. > > > > The rig went into the transmit state, and > > the relay engaged on the amp. There was a > > small grid current on the amp as one gets > > with key down and no transmitted signal. > > When I eventually moved the power control > > on the K3s ever so slightly, it > > transmitted properly. I had to do this > > several times but did not notice it > > before. > > > > I re-loaded the factory settings with the > > Elecraft Utility and the issue remains > > albeit it is intermittent. Slightly moving > > the power knob resolves the issue. > From Gary at ka1j.com Sun Aug 12 12:26:11 2018 From: Gary at ka1j.com (Gary Smith) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2018 12:26:11 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3s Transmit question In-Reply-To: <2B9.2TFP4.62G{2CdNuqf.1RS5ge@seznam.cz> References: <5B704E49.22800.1D2B2CA@Gary.ka1j.com>, <2B9.2TFP4.62G{2CdNuqf.1RS5ge@seznam.cz> Message-ID: <5B705FA3.20793.2167AE7@Gary.ka1j.com> Hi Alexander, No, ALC line here. I did mean to say idle current. :) I have increased the reading on the ALC graph as suggested and so far it is working properly, time will tell if that was the issue. Thank you for the reply! 73, Gary KA1J > > Hi Gary, > are You using any ALC line from AMP to K3? Did You check ALC level on > display (K3)? What You mean by "grid current"? You mean "idle current" > ?? > > > Just my ideas what to check > 73, > Lexa, OK1DST > > ---------- Puvodn? e-mail ---------- > Od: Gary Smith > Komu: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Datum: 12. 8. 2018 17:17:35 > Predmet: [Elecraft] K3s Transmit question > Last night while using the K3s and WSJT-X > on meteor Scatter in the MSK144 mode I was > making numerous contacts. I stopped for > awhile and returned, this time noticing I > was not putting out any output from the > amp. > > The rig went into the transmit state, and > the relay engaged on the amp. There was a > small grid current on the amp as one gets > with key down and no transmitted signal. > When I eventually moved the power control > on the K3s ever so slightly, it > transmitted properly. I had to do this > several times but did not notice it > before. > > I re-loaded the factory settings with the > Elecraft Utility and the issue remains > albeit it is intermittent. Slightly moving > the power knob resolves the issue. > > Any suggestions? > > 73, > > Gary > KA1J > __________________________________________ > ____________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/el > ecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: > http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to > alexandr.kobranov at seznam.cz From kk5f at earthlink.net Sun Aug 12 13:05:11 2018 From: kk5f at earthlink.net (Mike Morrow) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2018 12:05:11 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [Elecraft] ATU not working Message-ID: <584972685.2960.1534093511887@wamui-koala.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Somebody without name or call wrote: > I have this issue with my trustworthy Elecraft KX3... > > > Any advice? Yes. Exercise courtesy. 1. Since Elecraft makes more than one product, show the model designation in the SUBJECT line. 2. Sign the post with name and call sign. Mike / KK5F From kengkopp at gmail.com Sun Aug 12 13:07:35 2018 From: kengkopp at gmail.com (Ken G Kopp) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2018 11:07:35 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: ATU not working In-Reply-To: References: <1534086712171-0.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: ---------- Forwarded message --------- From: Ken G Kopp Date: Sun, Aug 12, 2018, 11:03 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] ATU not working To: sozi81 Who are you? Do you have a call? K0PP On Sun, Aug 12, 2018, 09:12 sozi81 wrote: > Hello everyone. > > I have this issue with my trustworthy Elecraft KX3. > Never had an issue - always well working. Few weeks ago I decided to > replace > batteries and after manipulating a little bit with the Elecraft fully open > (I tighten up some screws of the dissipator) .... i closed up the enclosure > and I transmitteed without any problem. > > The day after ATU stopped working > Please see video hereby attached > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zcqDIqC2YnE > > Any advice? > > > > > -- > Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to kengkopp at gmail.com > From rmcgraw at blomand.net Sun Aug 12 14:35:28 2018 From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2018 13:35:28 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3s Transmit question In-Reply-To: <5B705F05.10210.214113A@Gary.ka1j.com> References: <5B705F05.10210.214113A@Gary.ka1j.com> Message-ID: <94a61434-1a76-061c-04ec-ef7c29d67bed@blomand.net> Do understand in the K3 & K3S operation the actual output power is controlled by the PWR setting on the radio.? The PWR setting on the WSJT-X screen is actually audio level.?? This should be adjusted about mid scale for both TUNE and TRANSMIT. The radio Line Gain will then allow you to adjust the udio level such that you have 4 bars solid on the ALC? scale.??? The 5th bar should be flickering. 73 Bob, K4TAX On 8/12/2018 11:23 AM, Gary Smith wrote: > Don & Jim, > > Yes, I do have it set for the DATA A. The > bars were with the 5th flickering. > > I just bumped the line from 7, to 8. Now > they are solid bars, no flicker. It does > seem to be OK at this moment and perhaps > that is what I needed to do. It was > intermittent before so will have to wait > and see. > > I'll come back if this does not resolve > the issue. Thanks for the input. > > 73, > > Gary > KA1J > > >> Gary, >> >> Are you working in DATA A mode, and driving the audio to 4 bars >> solid with the 5th bar flickering on the ALC meter? >> >> That is the No ALC point for the K3/K3S/KX2/KX3. The lower bars are >> there to give you a guide to adjust the audio. >> >> So the common internet advice not to drive into ALC is being >> observed - it is just that to point where that occurs is at a full >> 5th bar on the ALC meter. >> >> Moving the power knob "reactivates" the power control circuits, but >> if you do not have enough audio, the power will not be steady - the >> radio will "power hunt" >> >> 73, >> Don W3FPR >> >> On 8/12/2018 11:12 AM, Gary Smith wrote: >>> Last night while using the K3s and WSJT-X >>> on meteor Scatter in the MSK144 mode I was >>> making numerous contacts. I stopped for >>> awhile and returned, this time noticing I >>> was not putting out any output from the >>> amp. >>> >>> The rig went into the transmit state, and >>> the relay engaged on the amp. There was a >>> small grid current on the amp as one gets >>> with key down and no transmitted signal. >>> When I eventually moved the power control >>> on the K3s ever so slightly, it >>> transmitted properly. I had to do this >>> several times but did not notice it >>> before. >>> >>> I re-loaded the factory settings with the >>> Elecraft Utility and the issue remains >>> albeit it is intermittent. Slightly moving >>> the power knob resolves the issue. > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to rmcgraw at blomand.net > From Gary at ka1j.com Sun Aug 12 15:37:46 2018 From: Gary at ka1j.com (Gary Smith) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2018 15:37:46 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3s Transmit question In-Reply-To: <94a61434-1a76-061c-04ec-ef7c29d67bed@blomand.net> References: <5B705F05.10210.214113A@Gary.ka1j.com>, <94a61434-1a76-061c-04ec-ef7c29d67bed@blomand.net> Message-ID: <5B708C8A.1639.2C5DF1C@Gary.ka1j.com> Hi Bob, I don't recall if it was from the WSJT-X online help page or advice from a K3s user but I had my WSJT-X power bar around 80% and in the sound manager, both playback & recording levels are around 52%. With that, the line level value in the K3s was around 7. After the suggestions earlier I moved it to line level 8 and all 5 bars were solid. To the good, I was not having that issue of false transmit and needing to jog the power to get output. I'm willing to follow suggestions and see how it goes so I moved the power slider to roughly 1/2 way which then required me to adjust the line level value on the K3s to 26. Checking the levels in sound manager, they remain at 52. At this point the meteors seem to be hitting less, the shower may well be over. I've only made one Q in the last 20 minutes and that was an E contact from 163 miles away. I'm not reading decodes so the band is quiet but all seems well, I am seeing proper output. 40W drive is putting out 900W on 6M with every transmission. Fingers crossed these changes are the solution. I hope these posts help others in the future, and thanks for the reply. Oh... How timely, you & I just started a MSK144 Q & at 807 miles. Things are still going! :) 73, Gary KA1J > Do understand in the K3 & K3S operation the actual output power is > controlled by the PWR setting on the radio.? The PWR setting on the > WSJT-X screen is actually audio level.?? This should be adjusted > about mid scale for both TUNE and TRANSMIT. The radio Line Gain will > then allow you to adjust the udio level such that you have 4 bars > solid on the ALC? scale.??? The 5th bar should be flickering. > > 73 > > Bob, K4TAX > > > On 8/12/2018 11:23 AM, Gary Smith wrote: > > Don & Jim, > > > > Yes, I do have it set for the DATA A. The > > bars were with the 5th flickering. > > > > I just bumped the line from 7, to 8. Now > > they are solid bars, no flicker. It does > > seem to be OK at this moment and perhaps > > that is what I needed to do. It was > > intermittent before so will have to wait > > and see. > > > > I'll come back if this does not resolve > > the issue. Thanks for the input. > > > > 73, > > > > Gary > > KA1J > > > > > >> Gary, > >> > >> Are you working in DATA A mode, and driving the audio to 4 bars > >> solid with the 5th bar flickering on the ALC meter? > >> > >> That is the No ALC point for the K3/K3S/KX2/KX3. The lower bars > >> are there to give you a guide to adjust the audio. > >> > >> So the common internet advice not to drive into ALC is being > >> observed - it is just that to point where that occurs is at a full > >> 5th bar on the ALC meter. > >> > >> Moving the power knob "reactivates" the power control circuits, but > >> if you do not have enough audio, the power will not be steady - the > >> radio will "power hunt" > >> > >> 73, > >> Don W3FPR > >> > >> On 8/12/2018 11:12 AM, Gary Smith wrote: > >>> Last night while using the K3s and WSJT-X > >>> on meteor Scatter in the MSK144 mode I was > >>> making numerous contacts. I stopped for > >>> awhile and returned, this time noticing I > >>> was not putting out any output from the > >>> amp. > >>> > >>> The rig went into the transmit state, and > >>> the relay engaged on the amp. There was a > >>> small grid current on the amp as one gets > >>> with key down and no transmitted signal. > >>> When I eventually moved the power control > >>> on the K3s ever so slightly, it > >>> transmitted properly. I had to do this > >>> several times but did not notice it > >>> before. > >>> > >>> I re-loaded the factory settings with the > >>> Elecraft Utility and the issue remains > >>> albeit it is intermittent. Slightly moving > >>> the power knob resolves the issue. > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to rmcgraw at blomand.net > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to gary at ka1j.com From donwilh at embarqmail.com Sun Aug 12 15:55:19 2018 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2018 15:55:19 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3s Transmit question In-Reply-To: <5B708C8A.1639.2C5DF1C@Gary.ka1j.com> References: <5B705F05.10210.214113A@Gary.ka1j.com> <94a61434-1a76-061c-04ec-ef7c29d67bed@blomand.net> <5B708C8A.1639.2C5DF1C@Gary.ka1j.com> Message-ID: Gary, It works best if you set the LINE gain to mid-range, and then adjust the audio levels in WSJT-X and the computer "line out" or "speaker" to get the 4 bars with the 5th flickering. When you get close, you can adjust the LINE gain to "fine tune" it. If the K3 LINE gain is set either toward the high or the low end, the resolution is much greater than at mid-range. The input level to the soundcard does not do anything on transmit - it only changes the waterfall. 73, Don W3FPR On 8/12/2018 3:37 PM, Gary Smith wrote: > Hi Bob, > > I don't recall if it was from the WSJT-X > online help page or advice from a K3s user > but I had my WSJT-X power bar around 80% > and in the sound manager, both playback & > recording levels are around 52%. > > With that, the line level value in the K3s > was around 7. After the suggestions > earlier I moved it to line level 8 and all > 5 bars were solid. To the good, I was not > having that issue of false transmit and > needing to jog the power to get output. > > I'm willing to follow suggestions and see > how it goes so I moved the power slider to > roughly 1/2 way which then required me to > adjust the line level value on the K3s to > 26. Checking the levels in sound manager, > they remain at 52. > > At this point the meteors seem to be > hitting less, the shower may well be over. > I've only made one Q in the last 20 > minutes and that was an E contact from 163 > miles away. I'm not reading decodes so the > band is quiet but all seems well, I am > seeing proper output. 40W drive is putting > out 900W on 6M with every transmission. > > Fingers crossed these changes are the > solution. I hope these posts help others > in the future, and thanks for the reply. > > Oh... How timely, you & I just started a > MSK144 Q & at 807 miles. Things are still > going! :) > > 73, > > Gary > KA1J > >> Do understand in the K3 & K3S operation the actual output power is >> controlled by the PWR setting on the radio.? The PWR setting on the >> WSJT-X screen is actually audio level.?? This should be adjusted >> about mid scale for both TUNE and TRANSMIT. The radio Line Gain will >> then allow you to adjust the udio level such that you have 4 bars >> solid on the ALC? scale.??? The 5th bar should be flickering. >> >> 73 >> >> Bob, K4TAX >> >> >> On 8/12/2018 11:23 AM, Gary Smith wrote: >>> Don & Jim, >>> >>> Yes, I do have it set for the DATA A. The >>> bars were with the 5th flickering. >>> >>> I just bumped the line from 7, to 8. Now >>> they are solid bars, no flicker. It does >>> seem to be OK at this moment and perhaps >>> that is what I needed to do. It was >>> intermittent before so will have to wait >>> and see. >>> >>> I'll come back if this does not resolve >>> the issue. Thanks for the input. >>> >>> 73, >>> >>> Gary >>> KA1J >>> >>> >>>> Gary, >>>> >>>> Are you working in DATA A mode, and driving the audio to 4 bars >>>> solid with the 5th bar flickering on the ALC meter? >>>> >>>> That is the No ALC point for the K3/K3S/KX2/KX3. The lower bars >>>> are there to give you a guide to adjust the audio. >>>> >>>> So the common internet advice not to drive into ALC is being >>>> observed - it is just that to point where that occurs is at a full >>>> 5th bar on the ALC meter. >>>> >>>> Moving the power knob "reactivates" the power control circuits, but >>>> if you do not have enough audio, the power will not be steady - the >>>> radio will "power hunt" >>>> >>>> 73, >>>> Don W3FPR >>>> >>>> On 8/12/2018 11:12 AM, Gary Smith wrote: >>>>> Last night while using the K3s and WSJT-X >>>>> on meteor Scatter in the MSK144 mode I was >>>>> making numerous contacts. I stopped for >>>>> awhile and returned, this time noticing I >>>>> was not putting out any output from the >>>>> amp. >>>>> >>>>> The rig went into the transmit state, and >>>>> the relay engaged on the amp. There was a >>>>> small grid current on the amp as one gets >>>>> with key down and no transmitted signal. >>>>> When I eventually moved the power control >>>>> on the K3s ever so slightly, it >>>>> transmitted properly. I had to do this >>>>> several times but did not notice it >>>>> before. >>>>> >>>>> I re-loaded the factory settings with the >>>>> Elecraft Utility and the issue remains >>>>> albeit it is intermittent. Slightly moving >>>>> the power knob resolves the issue. >>> >>> >>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to rmcgraw at blomand.net >>> >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to gary at ka1j.com > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to donwilh at embarqmail.com > From rmcgraw at blomand.net Sun Aug 12 16:03:43 2018 From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2018 15:03:43 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3s Transmit question In-Reply-To: <5B708C8A.1639.2C5DF1C@Gary.ka1j.com> References: <5B705F05.10210.214113A@Gary.ka1j.com> <94a61434-1a76-061c-04ec-ef7c29d67bed@blomand.net> <5B708C8A.1639.2C5DF1C@Gary.ka1j.com> Message-ID: <4219bfd3-7e9b-4f86-067b-6dcc5a5a910d@blomand.net> Yes, I find that the number of decodes is less this afternoon than last evening.?? Yes, we've worked twice, last evening and again this afternoon.? Glad you have things going.??? I'm running my K3S at about 30 watts driving the KPA500 to 450 watts.?? The antenna is a 4 ele HyGain at 55 ft fed with 1/2" Andrew hard line, except for the 10' section around the rotating sleeve and to the feed point on the antenna which is RG-213. Confusing to many is the fact there are three different? places which affect the transmit audio going to the radio.?? The Windows Sound mixer, here I have the "speaker" level set at 35%.? Then the PWR slider on the WSJT panel, which is actually audio level and not power which is at about 50%.??? And then the Line Gain which in Data A mode is controlled by the knob on the radio marked MIC which is at 30.? But when? comes up on the display as LINE xx. Depending various items in the system, these number may be different than yours. ?? At the same time, I always suggest a value about "mid way". ? Once you get them all nailed down, then go to WSJT F2 menu, AUDIO tab, and set? Remember Power Per Band for TRANSMIT and TUNE.? Check the boxes.? That way you will have less to fiddle with when leaving or coming back to WSJT. Thanks for the contact. 73 Bob, K4TAX On 8/12/2018 2:37 PM, Gary Smith wrote: > Hi Bob, > > I don't recall if it was from the WSJT-X > online help page or advice from a K3s user > but I had my WSJT-X power bar around 80% > and in the sound manager, both playback & > recording levels are around 52%. > > With that, the line level value in the K3s > was around 7. After the suggestions > earlier I moved it to line level 8 and all > 5 bars were solid. To the good, I was not > having that issue of false transmit and > needing to jog the power to get output. > > I'm willing to follow suggestions and see > how it goes so I moved the power slider to > roughly 1/2 way which then required me to > adjust the line level value on the K3s to > 26. Checking the levels in sound manager, > they remain at 52. > > At this point the meteors seem to be > hitting less, the shower may well be over. > I've only made one Q in the last 20 > minutes and that was an E contact from 163 > miles away. I'm not reading decodes so the > band is quiet but all seems well, I am > seeing proper output. 40W drive is putting > out 900W on 6M with every transmission. > > Fingers crossed these changes are the > solution. I hope these posts help others > in the future, and thanks for the reply. > > Oh... How timely, you & I just started a > MSK144 Q & at 807 miles. Things are still > going! :) > > 73, > > Gary > KA1J > >> Do understand in the K3 & K3S operation the actual output power is >> controlled by the PWR setting on the radio.? The PWR setting on the >> WSJT-X screen is actually audio level.?? This should be adjusted >> about mid scale for both TUNE and TRANSMIT. The radio Line Gain will >> then allow you to adjust the udio level such that you have 4 bars >> solid on the ALC? scale.??? The 5th bar should be flickering. >> >> 73 >> >> Bob, K4TAX >> >> >> On 8/12/2018 11:23 AM, Gary Smith wrote: >>> Don & Jim, >>> >>> Yes, I do have it set for the DATA A. The >>> bars were with the 5th flickering. >>> >>> I just bumped the line from 7, to 8. Now >>> they are solid bars, no flicker. It does >>> seem to be OK at this moment and perhaps >>> that is what I needed to do. It was >>> intermittent before so will have to wait >>> and see. >>> >>> I'll come back if this does not resolve >>> the issue. Thanks for the input. >>> >>> 73, >>> >>> Gary >>> KA1J >>> >>> >>>> Gary, >>>> >>>> Are you working in DATA A mode, and driving the audio to 4 bars >>>> solid with the 5th bar flickering on the ALC meter? >>>> >>>> That is the No ALC point for the K3/K3S/KX2/KX3. The lower bars >>>> are there to give you a guide to adjust the audio. >>>> >>>> So the common internet advice not to drive into ALC is being >>>> observed - it is just that to point where that occurs is at a full >>>> 5th bar on the ALC meter. >>>> >>>> Moving the power knob "reactivates" the power control circuits, but >>>> if you do not have enough audio, the power will not be steady - the >>>> radio will "power hunt" >>>> >>>> 73, >>>> Don W3FPR >>>> >>>> On 8/12/2018 11:12 AM, Gary Smith wrote: >>>>> Last night while using the K3s and WSJT-X >>>>> on meteor Scatter in the MSK144 mode I was >>>>> making numerous contacts. I stopped for >>>>> awhile and returned, this time noticing I >>>>> was not putting out any output from the >>>>> amp. >>>>> >>>>> The rig went into the transmit state, and >>>>> the relay engaged on the amp. There was a >>>>> small grid current on the amp as one gets >>>>> with key down and no transmitted signal. >>>>> When I eventually moved the power control >>>>> on the K3s ever so slightly, it >>>>> transmitted properly. I had to do this >>>>> several times but did not notice it >>>>> before. >>>>> >>>>> I re-loaded the factory settings with the >>>>> Elecraft Utility and the issue remains >>>>> albeit it is intermittent. Slightly moving >>>>> the power knob resolves the issue. >>> >>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to rmcgraw at blomand.net >>> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to gary at ka1j.com > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to rmcgraw at blomand.net > From w2ljqrp at gmail.com Sun Aug 12 17:19:50 2018 From: w2ljqrp at gmail.com (Larry W2LJ) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2018 17:19:50 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] 2018 NJQRP Skeeter Hunt -One week away Message-ID: The 2018 NJQRP Skeeter Hunt is only one week away! Next Sunday from 1700 to 2100 UTC, Skeeters frrom all over will be spreading their wings, hunting and being hunted! It's not too late to join in on the fun and get your Skeeter number. Send an e-mail to w2lj at arrl.net for your unique number for the 2018 Hunt. As always the rules for the Skeeter Hunt can be found at http://www.qsl.net/w2lj/ Join us for what is certainly becoming one of Summer's favorite QRP operating events. Follow us on Facebook at https://www.facebook.com/groups/175763746290252/?ref=bookmarks 72 de Larry W2LJ NJQRP Skeeter Hunt Manager From w2ljqrp at gmail.com Sun Aug 12 17:24:10 2018 From: w2ljqrp at gmail.com (Larry W2LJ) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2018 17:24:10 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] NAQCC August Sprint Tuesday Night Message-ID: <5fb182320f3a8b49baa309d2f986ffeb@192.168.1.17> The August Sprint is this coming Tuesday evening local time (August 14th, EDT - 8:30-10:30PM, CDT - 7:30-9:30PM, MDT - 6:30-8:30PM, PDT - 5:30-7:30PM), which translates as Wednesday, August 15th, 0030 to 0230Z in all cases. For all the "official" information, please go to: http://naqcc.info/sprint/sprint201808.html There you will find all the details as to time, frequencies and other important information. If you've been hesitant to join in our sprints because you hear other sprints running at breakneck speeds, have no fear. Our sprints are geared to the newcomer to CW and/or contesting. Virtually everyone including the many veteran contesters who regularly enter our sprints will slow down to YOUR speed to help you make your contacts. If you are not already a member of NAQCC... membership is FREE! Now is your chance to join the largest QRP CW Club in the world!! We currently have 9000+ members in: All 50 States - 9 VE Provinces - 100 Countries. Sign up on the NAQCC website today (http://naqcc.info/) and receive a handsome certificate, with your membership number on it, which is good for life. 72/73 de Larry W2LJ NAQCC #35 Come join us and have a real good time! From wunder at wunderwood.org Sun Aug 12 17:31:28 2018 From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2018 14:31:28 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] ATU not working In-Reply-To: <1534086712171-0.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1534086712171-0.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <34BC2796-A05D-4494-ADEA-7190B84978D3@wunderwood.org> Try opening it back up and reseating the ribbon cables. My KX3 stopped transmitting once and it was because the ribbon cable was partly unplugged. I expect all sorts of things might fail because of that. wunder K6WRU Walter Underwood CM87wj http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) > On Aug 12, 2018, at 8:11 AM, sozi81 wrote: > > Hello everyone. > > I have this issue with my trustworthy Elecraft KX3. > Never had an issue - always well working. Few weeks ago I decided to replace > batteries and after manipulating a little bit with the Elecraft fully open > (I tighten up some screws of the dissipator) .... i closed up the enclosure > and I transmitteed without any problem. > > The day after ATU stopped working > Please see video hereby attached > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zcqDIqC2YnE > > Any advice? > > > > > -- > Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wunder at wunderwood.org From nr4c at widomaker.com Sun Aug 12 17:43:54 2018 From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2018 17:43:54 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 In-Reply-To: <05a501d43250$df555130$9dfff390$@sbcglobal.net> References: <143403961.73783.1534082264123@connect.xfinity.com> <05a501d43250$df555130$9dfff390$@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: I believe the JAT500 wants to be ON before the K3(S) is powered ON. Mine stays on 24/7. Sent from my iPhone ...nr4c. bill > On Aug 12, 2018, at 11:26 AM, wrote: > > The 12V accessory jack on the K3 was upgraded from .5A to 1A for the > addition of the SVGA option on the P3. This was before the KAT500 was > available. > The P3 draws .5A without the SVGA option and draws .7A with the SVGA option. > The KAT500 draws 1A max with a specification of .2A typical. > If you don't have a P3 it is probably OK to use the K3 12V accessory jack > for the KAT500. If you do have a P3 with or without the SVGA option I don't > think it would be a good idea to run the KAT500 power from the K3. > I have a P3 with the SVGA option and run it from the K3. When I had a KAT500 > I ran it from the shack 12V power supply that powered all the shack 12V > accessories. > Alternatively, you could run it directly from the power supply for the K3. > > 73, > Mark, WB9CIF > > -----Original Message----- > From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net On > Behalf Of David Bunte > Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2018 2:05 PM > To: Ralph S. Turk > Cc: Elecraft Reflector > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KAT500 > > Yes. If I recall, that is why they came up with the mid. > > Dave - K9FN > >> On Sun, Aug 12, 2018 at 9:58 AM Ralph S. Turk wrote: >> >> Can one use the 12vdc of the K3 to power the KAT 500? The K3 has the >> latest update for the 12 dc. >> >> Ralph, W7HSG/AFA9RT >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> From n6tv at arrl.net Sun Aug 12 18:50:27 2018 From: n6tv at arrl.net (Bob Wilson, N6TV) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2018 15:50:27 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Preventing unexpected transmissions when using FTDI devices Message-ID: Elecraft K3 MCU version 5.33 added the new "USB SAFE" option as a default (CONFIG:PTT-KEY, Tap '1'), which prevents unexpected transmissions when you restart Windows or reconnect an FTDI adapter. This works fine when controlling a K3 or K3S via USB, but it doesn't help when using an FTDI USB-to-Serial adapter for CW / FSK / PTT keying on a separate serial port. I've published a 2-page document online, with screen shots, describing step-by-step how to use the Windows Device Manager to correct the default "Serial Enumerator" and "Modem Control" options set by the FTDI drivers, options which Windows unfortunately enables every time you connect a new FTDI adapter. Every FTDI port must be independently configured at least once. The short link to the online document is here: https://bit.ly/FTDItip These FTDI settings are also recommended when using the S-BOX-USB with a K3 or K3S, especially when used with the RemoteHams "Use RTS as Power" option. If anyone on this list uses a MAC or Linux box with an FTDI adapter or FTDI KUSB cable, and the macOS offers the equivalent device options, please send me the screen shots (.PNG format preferred), and I'll add them to the document. Thank you! 73, Bob, N6TV https://bit.ly/S-BOX From jackbrindle at me.com Sun Aug 12 20:08:36 2018 From: jackbrindle at me.com (Jack Brindle) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2018 17:08:36 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Preventing unexpected transmissions when using FTDI devices In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <72E56E87-C79C-4754-97C4-A099BD2D0CA6@me.com> Bob; This is a Windows-only issue that dates back to their use of serial mice. It is not problem on the Mac, which has no reason to toggle the serial port control signals on startup. 73! Jack, W6FB > On Aug 12, 2018, at 3:50 PM, Bob Wilson, N6TV wrote: > > Elecraft K3 MCU version 5.33 added the new "USB SAFE" option as a default > (CONFIG:PTT-KEY, Tap '1'), which prevents unexpected transmissions when you > restart Windows or reconnect an FTDI adapter. > > This works fine when controlling a K3 or K3S via USB, but it doesn't help > when using an FTDI USB-to-Serial adapter for CW / FSK / PTT keying on a > separate serial port. > > I've published a 2-page document online, with screen shots, describing > step-by-step how to use the Windows Device Manager to correct the default > "Serial Enumerator" and "Modem Control" options set by the FTDI drivers, > options which Windows unfortunately enables every time you connect a new > FTDI adapter. Every FTDI port must be independently configured at least > once. > > The short link to the online document is here: > > https://bit.ly/FTDItip > > > These FTDI settings are also recommended when using the S-BOX-USB > with a K3 or K3S, especially when used with the > RemoteHams "Use RTS as Power" option. > > If anyone on this list uses a MAC or Linux box with an FTDI adapter or FTDI > KUSB cable, and the macOS offers the equivalent device options, please send > me the screen shots (.PNG format preferred), and I'll add them to the > document. > > Thank you! > > 73, > Bob, N6TV > https://bit.ly/S-BOX > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to jackbrindle at me.com From randyn1kwf at gmail.com Sun Aug 12 20:13:28 2018 From: randyn1kwf at gmail.com (Randy Lake) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2018 20:13:28 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] [K3S] WSJT-X MSK144 In-Reply-To: <1534081701317-0.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1534081701317-0.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: On the east coast 99% of your contacts should be on 2nd/odd (if calling CQ). If you are on the east coast and you are TX on 1st be aware of who is trying to listen locally while you are TX'ing. Just listen and be considerate. O another note I would orient the AO-50 horizontal. I used to use a pair of them here in Keene. Reach out if you have more questions ! Randy N1KWF On Sun, Aug 12, 2018 at 9:49 AM MaverickNH wrote: > So I'm trying WSJT-X MSK144 first time on my K3S - running 150W into a PAR > AO-50 vertical loop at 30ft in Southern NH. Settings Rx 1500, F Tol 200, > T/R > 15s on Fast Decode (older 8 core CPU won't do Deep). By doing it wrong my > local HAMs have kindly let me know to TX Odd on East Coast. I also had the > K3S set on split for a while and got that fixed (off). Tx was at 50.313 in > RED (how I didn't notice is beyond me). Now, set Tx 50.260.00, I got a QSO > immediately during the Perseids meteor shower. > > Yesterday, despite wrong settings, I managed 3 QSOs from a 43ft vertical, > which is a good bit less efficient than the loop, to GA, MO & IA from NH. > Dunno how! > > Does a 6m loop or vertical, dipole tuned to 6m via base rATU) cause much > havoc with nearby HAMS on MSK144 if we're all TXing Odd? > > Any other MSK144/K3S tips & tricks appreciated - short of "install a good > Yagi on a beam" - wife says negative ;-) > > Thanks, 73, > > Bret/N4SRN > > > > -- > Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to randyn1kwf at gmail.com > -- Randy Lake N1KWF 73 Gunn Rd. Keene,NH From kevinr at coho.net Sun Aug 12 21:03:45 2018 From: kevinr at coho.net (kevinr) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2018 18:03:45 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Report Message-ID: <5647d561-493f-f286-085f-1d6ef3e4ecfd@coho.net> Good Evening, ?? While most were reporting hot and some humid a couple of us were getting a day of ocean breeze.? I have been seeing smoke in the satellite images across the US from the Western forest fires. Today I got a report from North Dakota about the smoke.? Over the weekend the smoke from the California fires had gotten cleared out by the cool front.? But in the last few hours the smoke from the fires in Washington has returned.? There are fires in both Washington and California with smaller fires in Oregon.? The river systems route the smoke out to the ocean but they are not very efficient at doing so.? The last report I read had the Northern California fires slowing with 60% containment.? The fires farther south have yet to be tamed.? Those in Washington and Oregon are not as large and may be controlled this week.? A few days of steady rain would help the whole West Coast cool off and dampen those fires.? I am tired of coughing, sneezing, and crying. ? On 14050.5 kHz at 2200z: KL7CW - Rick - AK K6XK - Roy - IA K0DTJ - Brian - CA W0CZ - Ken - ND VE5UO - Dave - SK ? On 7045 kHz at 0000z: NR5NN - Jim - CA WM5F - Dwight - ID K0DTJ - Brian - CA K6PJV - Dale - CA W6OU - James or W6OUB Howard ??? , CA VE5UO - Dave - SK KW6G - Chas - CA ?? Stay well & 73, ????? Kevin.? KD5ONS - From k7voradio at gmail.com Mon Aug 13 01:10:44 2018 From: k7voradio at gmail.com (Robert Sands) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2018 22:10:44 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Mic doubles as speaker source? Message-ID: Anyone using this after market item? Who sells them? Any good? Robert Sands K7VO From kk5f at earthlink.net Mon Aug 13 01:17:24 2018 From: kk5f at earthlink.net (Mike Morrow) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2018 00:17:24 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Mic doubles as speaker source? Message-ID: <399730939.13276.1534137445308@wamui-agami.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Does anyone besides you know what you are talking about? Mike / KK5F -----Original Message----- >From: Robert Sands >Sent: Aug 13, 2018 12:10 AM >To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net >Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Mic doubles as speaker source? > >Anyone using this after market item? Who sells them? Any good? >Robert Sands >K7VO From johnn1jm at gmail.com Mon Aug 13 02:29:32 2018 From: johnn1jm at gmail.com (John_N1JM) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2018 23:29:32 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] For Sale K3s/P3 Message-ID: <1534141772636-0.post@n2.nabble.com> K3S-F Transceiver #11139 100W upgrade for K3/K3S, Factory Installed ATU for K3/K3S, Factory Installed K3 TCXO 1ppm, factory installed 2.7kHz Elecraft Filter K3 500 Hz, 5 Pole Filter, factory installed KRX3A 2nd RX Factory Installed KFL3A-2.7K Filter installed in KRX3A K3 500 Hz, 5 Pole Filter, factory installed in KRX3A K3 5 & 6 pole filter matching to 40 Hz P3 Panadapter for the K3 - Factory Assembled Transmit Monitor for P3- Installed Coupler, 1.8-54 MHz, 1- 2000W Includes everything that came with it-manuals, cables, original boxes, etc. New Feb 2017. Nonsmoking home. $3900 plus shipping. PayPal Only. No trades. Will not split. -- Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ From ghyoungman at gmail.com Mon Aug 13 07:31:56 2018 From: ghyoungman at gmail.com (Grant Youngman) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2018 07:31:56 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Mic doubles as speaker source? In-Reply-To: <399730939.13276.1534137445308@wamui-agami.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <399730939.13276.1534137445308@wamui-agami.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <8D8650AD-4C08-4C08-9D09-F86E73489D98@gmail.com> AlexMic?? http://www.alexloop.com/artigo38.html . Don?t have one, though .. Grant NQ5T K3 #2091 KX3 #8342 > On Aug 13, 2018, at 1:17 AM, Mike Morrow wrote: > > Does anyone besides you know what you are talking about? > > Mike / KK5F > > -----Original Message----- >> From: Robert Sands >> Sent: Aug 13, 2018 12:10 AM >> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Mic doubles as speaker source? >> >> Anyone using this after market item? Who sells them? Any good? >> Robert Sands >> K7VO From dave at nk7z.net Mon Aug 13 08:22:29 2018 From: dave at nk7z.net (Dave Cole (NK7Z)) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2018 05:22:29 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Looking for RFI screen shots... Message-ID: <84d0f514-1224-3a07-daab-3a95adaa0021@nk7z.net> Hi, I am looking for any KNOWN RFI source screen shots from a P3. They will go into the RFI Snapshots page at: https://www.nk7z.net/rfi-snapshots/ If you have one or two images of known RFI sources, please send them to me OFF LIST, with any information you have, and I will include them in the ever growing set of images. -- 73s and thanks, Dave (NK7Z/NNR0DC) https://www.nk7z.net ARRL Technical Specialist From gerry at w1ve.com Mon Aug 13 10:52:02 2018 From: gerry at w1ve.com (Gerry Hull) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2018 10:52:02 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] FS: KX3 Message-ID: I am selling my less-than-three-month old KX3 for personal reasons. I LOVE the radio (and already own a lot of other Elecraft Gear) The package consists of: the KX3, KXAT3 Internal, 20-W Automatic ATU, KXBC3 Internal Charger/Real-Time Clock (all factory Assembled), A set of 2000mA 2100-cycle Eneloop NiMH Batteries, KXUSB Cable, After-market CW USB Keying Cable, Microphone, power cable. Well Packed and shipped to 48 Priority Mail Free Shipping. Package Value: $1500. Selling for $1250. Paypal Friends & Family (no charge to me) or Certified Check in advance. Check eBay feedback using my callsign. 73, Gerry W1VE From gerry at w1ve.com Mon Aug 13 12:45:59 2018 From: gerry at w1ve.com (Gerry Hull) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2018 12:45:59 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I received some comments that people like plain Paypal for the payment protection. That would be fine. Add $50 to cover Paypal fees and we can both be happy. 73, Gerry W1VE On Mon, Aug 13, 2018 at 10:52 AM Gerry Hull wrote: > I am selling my less-than-three-month old KX3 for personal reasons. > I LOVE the radio (and already own a lot of other Elecraft Gear) > > The package consists of: the KX3, KXAT3 Internal, 20-W Automatic ATU, > KXBC3 Internal Charger/Real-Time Clock (all factory Assembled), A set of > 2000mA 2100-cycle Eneloop NiMH Batteries, KXUSB Cable, After-market CW USB > Keying Cable, Microphone, power cable. Well Packed and shipped to 48 > Priority Mail Free Shipping. Package Value: $1500. Selling for $1250. > Paypal Friends & Family (no charge to me) or Certified Check in advance. > Check eBay feedback using my callsign. > > 73, Gerry W1VE > From kengkopp at gmail.com Mon Aug 13 14:57:30 2018 From: kengkopp at gmail.com (Ken G Kopp) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2018 12:57:30 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] OT-Junk Mail Message-ID: Hi Dave, + rest of list I've not seen your "Elycraft", but we ? both ElecraftCovers (Rose, N7HKW) and me ? get lots of e-mail from people wanting to "fix" elecraft.com and bring us more business. I expect Elecraft also gets these same offers. Both of us, for several reasons, need to maintain an old-fashioned wired phone line. We have had the same number for about fifty years and it's published and used from all over the world. Here's what seems to (partially) work for us; we have an answering machine in a speaker-phone that's audible throughout the house. In addition, our satellite TV provider is connected to the TV set ? which is usually on (;-) ? and the TV screen displays caller ID info. Perhaps ten percent of the calls are legit. Both of us have Verizon cell phones and get -many- calls from spoofed numbers ? usually in our 406 area and often using a "local" number. Rose gets many calls related to her Elecraft case and cover business that she -must- answer. She's had three today ? with two being spoofed. We both use G-Mail as our e-mail provider and to G-mail's credit, we get very little SPAM. We also use Norton ... wouldn't be without it. Our internet provider (Century Link) is via cable. FWIW 73! K0PP On Sun, Aug 12, 2018 at 8:33 AM, w7aqk wrote: > Hi All, > > In this day and age it is almost impossible to keep your lines of > communication "pure"! By that, I mean absent of any junk mail, anonymous > callers, etc. For eons my mail box has been a repository for all sorts of > unsolicited junk. Now my email addresses are being overrun as well, and > even my phone keeps ringing with calls for all sorts of unwelcome sources. > It's just about out of control!!!! > > Well, I couldn't help saying some thing here because now I am getting > emails from an outfit that identifies itself as "Elycraft"!!! Fortunately, > my spam filter seems to catch most of it, and separate it, but some of it > sneaks directly into my regular mail. Is anyone else getting some of this > from that source? > > The hardest to ignore are the phone calls. And, there are a bunch of > them!!! They are also getting clever by usurping local numbers and area > codes to make it look like they are not what they really are--trash > vendors! Getting rid of them is also impossible. If you block one, they > just switch to a different number!! > > I think this is a crisis! Anyone else agree? > > Dave W7AQK > > From a.frontera at gmail.com Mon Aug 13 15:02:04 2018 From: a.frontera at gmail.com (sozi81) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2018 12:02:04 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] ATU not working In-Reply-To: <1534086712171-0.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1534086712171-0.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1534186924987-0.post@n2.nabble.com> Hi, thanks for your advices. My name is Antonio - Callsign is IZ0JOJ aka F4VQW aka M0HKH. You're right - I should have said "thanks in advance" - sorry to be unpolite. How can I edit the line with Elecraft KX3 in my title post? I am sorry to be unprecise but it's my first time I wrote in a mailing list. It's a kind of tunnel / back in the past now considered we're in the era of Forum / PhpB / Whatsapp / Facebook. If can somebody help I would appreciate. Yes, I check the BNC connector - looks solid and no short. Connected to the ATU. I would check ribbon cable now... or do you think I should do a FULL FACTORY RESET? Thanks in ADVANCE -- Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ From dean.k2ww at gmail.com Mon Aug 13 15:19:57 2018 From: dean.k2ww at gmail.com (Dean L) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2018 15:19:57 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 In-Reply-To: References: <143403961.73783.1534082264123@connect.xfinity.com> <05a501d43250$df555130$9dfff390$@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: That must be the JApanese version, Bill has... HI 73 all Dean K2WW On Sun, Aug 12, 2018, 17:44 Nr4c wrote: > I believe the JAT500 wants to be ON before the K3(S) is powered ON. Mine > stays on 24/7. > > Sent from my iPhone > ...nr4c. bill > > > > On Aug 12, 2018, at 11:26 AM, < > markmusick at sbcglobal.net> wrote: > > > > The 12V accessory jack on the K3 was upgraded from .5A to 1A for the > > addition of the SVGA option on the P3. This was before the KAT500 was > > available. > > The P3 draws .5A without the SVGA option and draws .7A with the SVGA > option. > > The KAT500 draws 1A max with a specification of .2A typical. > > If you don't have a P3 it is probably OK to use the K3 12V accessory jack > > for the KAT500. If you do have a P3 with or without the SVGA option I > don't > > think it would be a good idea to run the KAT500 power from the K3. > > I have a P3 with the SVGA option and run it from the K3. When I had a > KAT500 > > I ran it from the shack 12V power supply that powered all the shack 12V > > accessories. > > Alternatively, you could run it directly from the power supply for the > K3. > > > > 73, > > Mark, WB9CIF > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net > On > > Behalf Of David Bunte > > Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2018 2:05 PM > > To: Ralph S. Turk > > Cc: Elecraft Reflector > > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KAT500 > > > > Yes. If I recall, that is why they came up with the mid. > > > > Dave - K9FN > > > >> On Sun, Aug 12, 2018 at 9:58 AM Ralph S. Turk > wrote: > >> > >> Can one use the 12vdc of the K3 to power the KAT 500? The K3 has the > >> latest update for the 12 dc. > >> > >> Ralph, W7HSG/AFA9RT > >> ______________________________________________________________ > >> Elecraft mailing list > >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dean.k2ww at gmail.com > From wunder at wunderwood.org Mon Aug 13 15:53:12 2018 From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2018 12:53:12 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] ATU not working In-Reply-To: <1534186924987-0.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1534086712171-0.post@n2.nabble.com> <1534186924987-0.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <8C64EFD7-EAAF-40B1-84A0-A69D3939B861@wunderwood.org> Do NOT do a full factory reset. You will need to reload the config after you do that. 1. Reseat the ribbon cable. 2. Using the KX3 Utility, save a configuration. Do this whether reseating the cable fixes it or not. 3. If it still doesn?t work, do the reset and reload the configuration. wunder K6WRU Walter Underwood CM87wj http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) > On Aug 13, 2018, at 12:02 PM, sozi81 wrote: > > Hi, > thanks for your advices. > > My name is Antonio - Callsign is IZ0JOJ aka F4VQW aka M0HKH. > You're right - I should have said "thanks in advance" - sorry to be > unpolite. > > How can I edit the line with Elecraft KX3 in my title post? > I am sorry to be unprecise but it's my first time I wrote in a mailing list. > > It's a kind of tunnel / back in the past now considered we're in the era of > Forum / PhpB / Whatsapp / Facebook. > > If can somebody help I would appreciate. > Yes, I check the BNC connector - looks solid and no short. Connected to the > ATU. > I would check ribbon cable now... or do you think I should do a FULL FACTORY > RESET? > > Thanks in ADVANCE > > > > -- > Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wunder at wunderwood.org From k7voradio at gmail.com Mon Aug 13 17:06:38 2018 From: k7voradio at gmail.com (Robert Sands) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2018 14:06:38 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Mic doubles as speaker source? In-Reply-To: <8D8650AD-4C08-4C08-9D09-F86E73489D98@gmail.com> References: <399730939.13276.1534137445308@wamui-agami.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <8D8650AD-4C08-4C08-9D09-F86E73489D98@gmail.com> Message-ID: Yes, that is the one. On Mon, Aug 13, 2018, 4:31 AM Grant Youngman wrote: > AlexMic?? http://www.alexloop.com/artigo38.html. Don?t have one, though > .. > > > Grant NQ5T > K3 #2091 KX3 #8342 > > On Aug 13, 2018, at 1:17 AM, Mike Morrow wrote: > > Does anyone besides you know what you are talking about? > > Mike / KK5F > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Robert Sands > Sent: Aug 13, 2018 12:10 AM > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Mic doubles as speaker source? > > Anyone using this after market item? Who sells them? Any good? > Robert Sands > K7VO > > > From johnn1jm at gmail.com Mon Aug 13 17:40:21 2018 From: johnn1jm at gmail.com (John_N1JM) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2018 14:40:21 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] For Sale K3s/P3 In-Reply-To: <1534141772636-0.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1534141772636-0.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1534196421012-0.post@n2.nabble.com> This is no longer available. 73, John N1JM John_N1JM wrote > K3S-F Transceiver #11139 > 100W upgrade for K3/K3S, Factory Installed > ATU for K3/K3S, Factory Installed > K3 TCXO 1ppm, factory installed > 2.7kHz Elecraft Filter > K3 500 Hz, 5 Pole Filter, factory installed > KRX3A 2nd RX Factory Installed > KFL3A-2.7K Filter installed in KRX3A > K3 500 Hz, 5 Pole Filter, factory installed in KRX3A > K3 5 & 6 pole filter matching to 40 Hz > P3 Panadapter for the K3 - Factory Assembled > Transmit Monitor for P3- Installed > Coupler, 1.8-54 MHz, 1- 2000W > Includes everything that came with it-manuals, cables, original boxes, > etc. > New Feb 2017. Nonsmoking home. > $3900 plus shipping. PayPal Only. No trades. Will not split. > > > > -- > Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto: > Elecraft at .qth > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to > lists+1215531472858-365791 at .nabble -- Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ From markmusick at sbcglobal.net Mon Aug 13 22:38:55 2018 From: markmusick at sbcglobal.net (markmusick at sbcglobal.net) Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2018 02:38:55 -0000 Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 In-Reply-To: References: <143403961.73783.1534082264123@connect.xfinity.com> <05a501d43250$df555130$9dfff390$@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <066401d43377$f329e180$d97da480$@sbcglobal.net> The issue Bill is referring to about the KAT500 having to be powered on before the K3 was fixed several firmware versions back. I don't remember which version it was, but it is in the release notes. You no longer have to turn the KAT500 on before the K3/K3S. 73, Mark, WB9CIF -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of Dean L Sent: Monday, August 13, 2018 7:20 PM To: Nr4c ; Elecraft Mail List Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KAT500 That must be the JApanese version, Bill has... HI 73 all Dean K2WW On Sun, Aug 12, 2018, 17:44 Nr4c wrote: > I believe the JAT500 wants to be ON before the K3(S) is powered ON. > Mine stays on 24/7. > > Sent from my iPhone > ...nr4c. bill > > > > On Aug 12, 2018, at 11:26 AM, < > markmusick at sbcglobal.net> wrote: > > > > The 12V accessory jack on the K3 was upgraded from .5A to 1A for the > > addition of the SVGA option on the P3. This was before the KAT500 > > was available. > > The P3 draws .5A without the SVGA option and draws .7A with the SVGA > option. > > The KAT500 draws 1A max with a specification of .2A typical. > > If you don't have a P3 it is probably OK to use the K3 12V accessory > > jack for the KAT500. If you do have a P3 with or without the SVGA > > option I > don't > > think it would be a good idea to run the KAT500 power from the K3. > > I have a P3 with the SVGA option and run it from the K3. When I had > > a > KAT500 > > I ran it from the shack 12V power supply that powered all the shack > > 12V accessories. > > Alternatively, you could run it directly from the power supply for > > the > K3. > > > > 73, > > Mark, WB9CIF > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net > > > On > > Behalf Of David Bunte > > Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2018 2:05 PM > > To: Ralph S. Turk > > Cc: Elecraft Reflector > > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KAT500 > > > > Yes. If I recall, that is why they came up with the mid. > > > > Dave - K9FN > > > >> On Sun, Aug 12, 2018 at 9:58 AM Ralph S. Turk > wrote: > >> > >> Can one use the 12vdc of the K3 to power the KAT 500? The K3 has > >> the latest update for the 12 dc. > >> > >> Ralph, W7HSG/AFA9RT > >> ______________________________________________________________ > >> Elecraft mailing list > >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > dean.k2ww at gmail.com > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to markmusick at sbcglobal.net From sawitt at ieee.org Mon Aug 13 23:22:48 2018 From: sawitt at ieee.org (Steve Witt) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2018 20:22:48 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K2 + KXPA-100 Question Message-ID: <20180814032248.q4gkfj7hxqizbydj@ieee.org> I have a K2, my first radio, that I've been operating for several months now. Just purchased a KXPA-100 with the KXAT100 internal auto tuner option, that I got working today, meaning that I got the keying circuit prototyped and working so the radio would key the amp. It seemed to work well and I was able to make a few contacts on FT8. My K2 has the KAT2 antenna tuner build in. I do not understand how the antenna tuner in the radio and the antenna tuner in the amp should interact. At first I had the KXAT100 in the amp in auto mode and it seemed to be tuning as I changed freqs. Then I tried the 'tune' button on the radio (sort of to see what would happen) and the antenna tuners in the radio and amp started tuning. My expectation was that the KXAT100 would present a fairly stable 50 ohm impedance to the radio and so the radio's tuner would not tune very much. I noticed that as I changed bands though, that 'tuning' on the radio caused both antenna tuners to change quite a lot (judging from the racket the relays in both radio and amp made). By the way, my antenna is a 66 ft. Carolina Windom 40m - 10m with about 150 ft of RG-213. Everything in the antenna/feed system is just a few months old and the SWRs on the K2/KAT2 have been 1.1 or 1.2. So I'm wondering what might be the proper way to control the two antenna tuners in this setup as I change bands? 73 Steve, N6SAW From rmcgraw at blomand.net Mon Aug 13 23:22:49 2018 From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2018 22:22:49 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 In-Reply-To: <066401d43377$f329e180$d97da480$@sbcglobal.net> References: <143403961.73783.1534082264123@connect.xfinity.com> <05a501d43250$df555130$9dfff390$@sbcglobal.net> <066401d43377$f329e180$d97da480$@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <2352089e-4419-5e6b-cd4b-07e2fcb922b5@blomand.net> I use the SWITCHED 12V source from my K3S.? When I turn on the radio the KAT500 powers up at the same time.? This is per page 14, Operation in the KAT500 manual.?? "Apply power to the KAT500 before or at the same time you turn the K3/K3S on." 73 Bob, K4TAX On 8/13/2018 9:38 PM, markmusick at sbcglobal.net wrote: > The issue Bill is referring to about the KAT500 having to be powered on > before the K3 was fixed several firmware versions back. I don't remember > which version it was, but it is in the release notes. > You no longer have to turn the KAT500 on before the K3/K3S. > > 73, > Mark, WB9CIF > > -----Original Message----- > From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net On > Behalf Of Dean L > Sent: Monday, August 13, 2018 7:20 PM > To: Nr4c ; Elecraft Mail List > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KAT500 > > That must be the JApanese version, Bill has... > HI > 73 all > Dean > K2WW > > > > On Sun, Aug 12, 2018, 17:44 Nr4c wrote: > >> I believe the JAT500 wants to be ON before the K3(S) is powered ON. >> Mine stays on 24/7. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> ...nr4c. bill >> >> >>> On Aug 12, 2018, at 11:26 AM, < >> markmusick at sbcglobal.net> wrote: >>> The 12V accessory jack on the K3 was upgraded from .5A to 1A for the >>> addition of the SVGA option on the P3. This was before the KAT500 >>> was available. >>> The P3 draws .5A without the SVGA option and draws .7A with the SVGA >> option. >>> The KAT500 draws 1A max with a specification of .2A typical. >>> If you don't have a P3 it is probably OK to use the K3 12V accessory >>> jack for the KAT500. If you do have a P3 with or without the SVGA >>> option I >> don't >>> think it would be a good idea to run the KAT500 power from the K3. >>> I have a P3 with the SVGA option and run it from the K3. When I had >>> a >> KAT500 >>> I ran it from the shack 12V power supply that powered all the shack >>> 12V accessories. >>> Alternatively, you could run it directly from the power supply for >>> the >> K3. >>> 73, >>> Mark, WB9CIF >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net >>> >> On >>> Behalf Of David Bunte >>> Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2018 2:05 PM >>> To: Ralph S. Turk >>> Cc: Elecraft Reflector >>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KAT500 >>> >>> Yes. If I recall, that is why they came up with the mid. >>> >>> Dave - K9FN >>> >>>> On Sun, Aug 12, 2018 at 9:58 AM Ralph S. Turk >> wrote: >>>> Can one use the 12vdc of the K3 to power the KAT 500? The K3 has >>>> the latest update for the 12 dc. >>>> >>>> Ralph, W7HSG/AFA9RT >>>> ______________________________________________________________ >>>> Elecraft mailing list >>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>>> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email >> list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to >> dean.k2ww at gmail.com >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message > delivered to markmusick at sbcglobal.net > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to rmcgraw at blomand.net > From ghyoungman at gmail.com Mon Aug 13 23:36:29 2018 From: ghyoungman at gmail.com (Grant Youngman) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2018 23:36:29 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K2 + KXPA-100 Question In-Reply-To: <20180814032248.q4gkfj7hxqizbydj@ieee.org> References: <20180814032248.q4gkfj7hxqizbydj@ieee.org> Message-ID: <7B8ABBAB-2EF8-471F-94F5-F57A2BCCC65C@gmail.com> I would think the KAT2 should be bypassed. The KX3 internal ATU is automatically bypassed, perhaps the KAT2 is not? (Don?t own a K2, but there should be no need for the internal tuner to be active). Grant NQ5T K3 #2091 KX3 #8342 > On Aug 13, 2018, at 11:22 PM, Steve Witt wrote: > > I have a K2, my first radio, that I've been operating for several > months now. Just purchased a KXPA-100 with the KXAT100 internal auto > tuner option, that I got working today, meaning that I got the keying > circuit prototyped and working so the radio would key the amp. It > seemed to work well and I was able to make a few contacts on FT8. My > K2 has the KAT2 antenna tuner build in. I do not understand how the > antenna tuner in the radio and the antenna tuner in the amp should > interact. At first I had the KXAT100 in the amp in auto mode and it > seemed to be tuning as I changed freqs. Then I tried the 'tune' button > on the radio (sort of to see what would happen) and the antenna tuners > in the radio and amp started tuning. My expectation was that the > KXAT100 would present a fairly stable 50 ohm impedance to the radio > and so the radio's tuner would not tune very much. I noticed that as I > changed bands though, that 'tuning' on the radio caused both antenna > tuners to change quite a lot (judging from the racket the relays in > both radio and amp made). By the way, my antenna is a 66 ft. Carolina > Windom 40m - 10m with about 150 ft of RG-213. Everything in the > antenna/feed system is just a few months old and the SWRs on the > K2/KAT2 have been 1.1 or 1.2. > > So I'm wondering what might be the proper way to control the two > antenna tuners in this setup as I change bands? > From n6tv at arrl.net Tue Aug 14 01:16:56 2018 From: n6tv at arrl.net (Bob Wilson, N6TV) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2018 22:16:56 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] New Win-Test scripts available for the KX2 Message-ID: Bj?rn, SM7IUN, has developed and tested a new set of KX2 scripts for the Win-Test contest logger, based on my KX3 scripts. These support running various transceiver functions from the Win-Test keyboard, such as ClearRIT, SwapVFO, RIT up/down, VFO up/down, A=B, B=A, Play/Record DVR voice messages, and generate CW or RTTY messages using radio's internal keyer (KY commands). These and other useful Win-Test scripts for the KX3, K3/K3S, and P3 may be downloaded from: https://bit.ly/wtscripts A free "DXpedition" version of the Win-Test Contest Logger may be downloaded from: http://download.win-test.com/v4/freeware/ 73, Bob, N6TV From donwilh at embarqmail.com Mon Aug 13 23:36:26 2018 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2018 23:36:26 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K2 + KXPA-100 Question In-Reply-To: <20180814032248.q4gkfj7hxqizbydj@ieee.org> References: <20180814032248.q4gkfj7hxqizbydj@ieee.org> Message-ID: Steve, It would be best to put the KAT2 into CAL P or CAL S mode so it is bypassed and does not tune. I would also suggest that you use the ANT1 connector. Let the KXAT100 tune according to the frequency it senses. 73, Don W3FPR On 8/13/2018 11:22 PM, Steve Witt wrote: > I have a K2, my first radio, that I've been operating for several > months now. Just purchased a KXPA-100 with the KXAT100 internal auto > tuner option, that I got working today, meaning that I got the keying > circuit prototyped and working so the radio would key the amp. It > seemed to work well and I was able to make a few contacts on FT8. My > K2 has the KAT2 antenna tuner build in. I do not understand how the > antenna tuner in the radio and the antenna tuner in the amp should > interact. At first I had the KXAT100 in the amp in auto mode and it > seemed to be tuning as I changed freqs. Then I tried the 'tune' button > on the radio (sort of to see what would happen) and the antenna tuners > in the radio and amp started tuning. My expectation was that the > KXAT100 would present a fairly stable 50 ohm impedance to the radio > and so the radio's tuner would not tune very much. I noticed that as I > changed bands though, that 'tuning' on the radio caused both antenna > tuners to change quite a lot (judging from the racket the relays in > both radio and amp made). By the way, my antenna is a 66 ft. Carolina > Windom 40m - 10m with about 150 ft of RG-213. Everything in the > antenna/feed system is just a few months old and the SWRs on the > K2/KAT2 have been 1.1 or 1.2. > > So I'm wondering what might be the proper way to control the two > antenna tuners in this setup as I change bands? From ernie at netvision.net.il Tue Aug 14 02:22:47 2018 From: ernie at netvision.net.il (TL_Netvision) Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2018 09:22:47 +0300 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Firmware update fails Message-ID: <000c01d43397$387afed0$a970fc70$@netvision.net.il> Hi all I am trying to upgrade a P3 MCU 1.29 to 1.54 and\or 1.60 ?(No SVGA option installed). When I hit ?send checked items to P3? the relays click every 2 seconds and I see 2 messages repeat forever: 1. ??Attempting to connect P3 on port COM1 at 38400 bit/s? in the P3?s utility window, 2. ??Checking for SVGA? on the P3?s screen. No uploading is performed & I can terminate the loop only with the ??cancel? button. Environment: -P3 utility ver 1.16.3.1 -P3 is connected only to PS (13.8v external) & PC (Genuine full RS-232 cable). -All files are present in the ?P3 firmware? folder (Windows 10 1803 build 17134). Any ideas please? Thanks in advance, Isaac, 4Z1TL --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From dl1iao at contesting.com Tue Aug 14 06:06:31 2018 From: dl1iao at contesting.com (Stefan von Baltz, DL1IAO) Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2018 12:06:31 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] Summary: Genovation keypad & K3/K3S In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I did get one reply on this topic. Dave NK7Z has already documented nicely on his website how to connect a Genovation keypad to the P3. The question was how to connect it directly to the K3/K3S, if possible at all, in order to free the P3?s USB-port. A pre-Genovation "button box" was hooked up to the K3?s RS232 port. It uses its internal memory to store the macros and not the available K3 macros. In order to be able to get the K3 to recognize and share several RS232 ports LP-BRIDGE is used to create several virtual serial ports. CAT on one of the virtual serial ports and the "button box" to another. One has to bridge the real "button box" to another of the LPBRIDGE created virtual ports, e.g. with a software called VSPE. It will be up to experimentation if a Genovation keypad can be connected in a similar way. The difference is that the internal K3/K3S memories have to be used. 73, Stefan DL1IAO, SA3CWW/SM9A From dave at nk7z.net Tue Aug 14 08:38:37 2018 From: dave at nk7z.net (Dave Cole (NK7Z)) Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2018 05:38:37 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Summary: Genovation keypad & K3/K3S In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello Stefan, I remember running into some roadblock in doing this, but I don't remember what it was now... I initially wanted to connect directly to the K3 as well. I think it was if you had a P3 SVGA, it worked better. If you get things running on just the K3 send me the info, and I'll add it to the web page at: https://www.nk7z.net/adding-external-keypad-k3/ as an addendum to the Genovation page, of course giving you credit for the work. 73s and thanks, Dave (NK7Z/NNR0DC) https://www.nk7z.net ARRL Technical Specialist On 08/14/2018 03:06 AM, Stefan von Baltz, DL1IAO wrote: > I did get one reply on this topic. Dave NK7Z has already documented nicely on his website how to connect a Genovation keypad to the P3. The question was how to connect it directly to the K3/K3S, if possible at all, in order to free the P3?s USB-port. > > A pre-Genovation "button box" was hooked up to the K3?s RS232 port. It uses its internal memory to store the macros and not the available K3 macros. In order to be able to get the K3 to recognize and share several RS232 ports LP-BRIDGE is used to create several virtual serial ports. CAT on one of the virtual serial ports and the "button box" to another. One has to bridge the real "button box" to another of the LPBRIDGE created virtual ports, e.g. with a software called VSPE. > > It will be up to experimentation if a Genovation keypad can be connected in a similar way. The difference is that the internal K3/K3S memories have to be used. > > > 73, > > Stefan DL1IAO, SA3CWW/SM9A > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dave at nk7z.net > From jim at n7us.net Tue Aug 14 08:55:10 2018 From: jim at n7us.net (Jim N7US) Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2018 07:55:10 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] [KPA500] How to uninstall KPA500/KAT500 Message-ID: <00f201d433ce$09b84da0$1d28e8e0$@n7us.net> How can I uninstall the KPA500 and KAT500 Remote programs? I don't see them listed in Device Manager's Programs and Features. 73, Jim N7US From va3mw at portcredit.net Tue Aug 14 10:04:30 2018 From: va3mw at portcredit.net (Michael Walker) Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2018 10:04:30 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] [KPA500] How to uninstall KPA500/KAT500 In-Reply-To: <00f201d433ce$09b84da0$1d28e8e0$@n7us.net> References: <00f201d433ce$09b84da0$1d28e8e0$@n7us.net> Message-ID: Hi Jim Look under Elecraft or KPA500. My KPA500 program is there in add/remove. Mike va3mw On Tue, Aug 14, 2018 at 8:55 AM, Jim N7US wrote: > How can I uninstall the KPA500 and KAT500 Remote programs? I don't see > them > listed in Device Manager's Programs and Features. > > > > 73, Jim N7US > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to va3mw at portcredit.net > From jim at n7us.net Tue Aug 14 11:30:08 2018 From: jim at n7us.net (Jim N7US) Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2018 10:30:08 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] [KPA500] How to uninstall KPA500/KAT500 In-Reply-To: References: <00f201d433ce$09b84da0$1d28e8e0$@n7us.net> Message-ID: <010d01d433e3$af573db0$0e05b910$@n7us.net> Got it. I had only looked under Elecraft. Thanks! 73, Jim N7US -----Original Message----- Hi Jim Look under Elecraft or KPA500. My KPA500 program is there in add/remove. Mike va3mw On Tue, Aug 14, 2018 at 8:55 AM, Jim N7US wrote: > How can I uninstall the KPA500 and KAT500 Remote programs? I don't > see them listed in Device Manager's Programs and Features. > > > > 73, Jim N7US From w0fm at swbell.net Tue Aug 14 11:35:18 2018 From: w0fm at swbell.net (Terry Schieler) Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2018 10:35:18 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] OT-Junk Mail & Spam Robo Calls Message-ID: <003b01d433e4$6859e970$390dbc50$@swbell.net> I use commercial spam solutions for relief from internet email spammers. Lots of them out there. That's all well and good. The REAL problem for me are robo calls to my home phones and cell phone. I listed both phones on the State of Missouri and the Federal *No Call Lists* years ago. That worked ok for a while, then totally spiraled out of control. Spammers don't pay any attention to the *List* and violations are not enforced. I found a fix in an app called *NOMOROBO* No More Robo (calls). After you sign up for the service, their server spots the fingerprints of incoming spam telephone robo calls on your phone line. My phone rings a partial ring (.5 sec?) then the software at the server end sucks the call off my line and adds it to their national database blacklist. The Caller Id is still displayed on my TV screen, but before I can get my butt out of my chair, the ring stops, telling me not to bother with the call, it's spam. I can't remember how many years I've used NoMoRobo but I was an early adopter and it has been working beautifully for probably 10 years now. The idea was hatched by a couple of guys during a contest to find a solution to annoying Robo Calls (necessary because your local telco doesn't want to help inhibit the use of their paid services). You don't need to load your *white list* phone numbers. There is a free version of NoMoRobo and a paid version. So far, I have seen no need for the paid version. In all this time I only had two callers get wrongly *captured* by the spam software and both were vendors I use who had recently changed their phone number. Calls from my doctor's appointment office, Trash Hauler, etc come right through. While not affiliated with the firm that offers this (I wish I were) I recommend looking it over and deciding for yourself if it suits your needs: www.nomorobo.com 73, Terry W?FM Pardon the bandwidth -----Original Message----- From: Ken G Kopp [mailto:kengkopp at gmail.com] Sent: Monday, August 13, 2018 1:58 PM To: w7aqk Cc: Elecraft Subject: [Elecraft] OT-Junk Mail Hi Dave, + rest of list I've not seen your "Elycraft", but we ? both ElecraftCovers (Rose, N7HKW) and me ? get lots of e-mail from people wanting to "fix" elecraft.com and bring us more business. I expect Elecraft also gets these same offers. Both of us, for several reasons, need to maintain an old-fashioned wired phone line. We have had the same number for about fifty years and it's published and used from all over the world. Here's what seems to (partially) work for us; we have an answering machine in a speaker-phone that's audible throughout the house. In addition, our satellite TV provider is connected to the TV set ? which is usually on (;-) ? and the TV screen displays caller ID info. Perhaps ten percent of the calls are legit. Both of us have Verizon cell phones and get -many- calls from spoofed numbers ? usually in our 406 area and often using a "local" number. Rose gets many calls related to her Elecraft case and cover business that she -must- answer. She's had three today ? with two being spoofed. We both use G-Mail as our e-mail provider and to G-mail's credit, we get very little SPAM. We also use Norton ... wouldn't be without it. Our internet provider (Century Link) is via cable. FWIW 73! K0PP From rmcgraw at blomand.net Tue Aug 14 11:42:20 2018 From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX) Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2018 10:42:20 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] OT-Junk Mail & Spam Robo Calls In-Reply-To: <003b01d433e4$6859e970$390dbc50$@swbell.net> References: <003b01d433e4$6859e970$390dbc50$@swbell.net> Message-ID: My solution is very simple. ?? I ignore all calls unless they appear on my caller ID from my contact list.? Likewise on e-mail, my spam filter gets 99.9% of all of them and they end being sent to the junk folder.? That folder gets emptied every 12 hrs.? The one or two that get through, also get manually added to the junk filter.??? Thank you Thunderbird which is my e-mail application. Once the filter is set, they are then history forever. 73 Bob, K4TAX On 8/14/2018 10:35 AM, Terry Schieler wrote: > I use commercial spam solutions for relief from internet email spammers. Lots of them out there. That's all well and good. The REAL problem for me are robo calls to my home phones and cell phone. I listed both phones on the State of Missouri and the Federal *No Call Lists* years ago. That worked ok for a while, then totally spiraled out of control. Spammers don't pay any attention to the *List* and violations are not enforced. > > I found a fix in an app called *NOMOROBO* No More Robo (calls). After you sign up for the service, their server spots the fingerprints of incoming spam telephone robo calls on your phone line. My phone rings a partial ring (.5 sec?) then the software at the server end sucks the call off my line and adds it to their national database blacklist. The Caller Id is still displayed on my TV screen, but before I can get my butt out of my chair, the ring stops, telling me not to bother with the call, it's spam. > > I can't remember how many years I've used NoMoRobo but I was an early adopter and it has been working beautifully for probably 10 years now. The idea was hatched by a couple of guys during a contest to find a solution to annoying Robo Calls (necessary because your local telco doesn't want to help inhibit the use of their paid services). You don't need to load your *white list* phone numbers. There is a free version of NoMoRobo and a paid version. So far, I have seen no need for the paid version. In all this time I only had two callers get wrongly *captured* by the spam software and both were vendors I use who had recently changed their phone number. Calls from my doctor's appointment office, Trash Hauler, etc come right through. > > While not affiliated with the firm that offers this (I wish I were) I recommend looking it over and deciding for yourself if it suits your needs: > > www.nomorobo.com > > 73, Terry W?FM > > Pardon the bandwidth > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ken G Kopp [mailto:kengkopp at gmail.com] > Sent: Monday, August 13, 2018 1:58 PM > To: w7aqk > Cc: Elecraft > Subject: [Elecraft] OT-Junk Mail > > Hi Dave, + rest of list > > I've not seen your "Elycraft", but we ? both ElecraftCovers (Rose, N7HKW) and me ? get lots of e-mail from people wanting to "fix" elecraft.com and bring us more business. I expect Elecraft also gets these same offers. > > Both of us, for several reasons, need to maintain an old-fashioned wired phone line. We have had the same number for about fifty years and it's published and used from all over the world. > > Here's what seems to (partially) work for us; we have an answering machine in a speaker-phone that's audible throughout the house. In addition, our satellite TV provider is connected to the TV set ? which is usually on (;-) ? and the TV screen displays caller ID info. Perhaps ten percent of the calls are legit. > > Both of us have Verizon cell phones and get -many- calls from spoofed numbers ? usually in our 406 area and often using a "local" number. Rose gets many calls related to her Elecraft case and cover business that she -must- answer. She's had three today ? with two being spoofed. > > We both use G-Mail as our e-mail provider and to G-mail's credit, we get very little SPAM. We also use Norton ... wouldn't be without it. Our internet provider (Century Link) is via cable. > > FWIW > > 73! > > K0PP > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to rmcgraw at blomand.net From eric at elecraft.com Tue Aug 14 12:05:16 2018 From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft) Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2018 09:05:16 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] OT-Junk Mail & Spam Robo Calls In-Reply-To: References: <003b01d433e4$6859e970$390dbc50$@swbell.net> Message-ID: We're drifting a little too OT. Let's close this thread in the interest of reducing email overload for our readers. 73, Eric Moderator etc. /elecraft.com/ From kengkopp at gmail.com Tue Aug 14 12:15:52 2018 From: kengkopp at gmail.com (Ken G Kopp) Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2018 10:15:52 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] OT-Junk Mail & Spam Robo Calls In-Reply-To: References: <003b01d433e4$6859e970$390dbc50$@swbell.net> Message-ID: Thanks for your patience, Eric. (:-)) 73 all K0PP On Tue, Aug 14, 2018, 10:05 Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft < eric at elecraft.com> wrote: > We're drifting a little too OT. Let's close this thread in the interest of > reducing email overload for our readers. > > 73, > Eric > Moderator etc. > /elecraft.com/ > From hullspeed21 at gmail.com Tue Aug 14 14:48:50 2018 From: hullspeed21 at gmail.com (Warren Merkel) Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2018 14:48:50 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] For Sale, K3 with new synth and AM/FM filters Message-ID: Posted on behalf of owner by Warren Merkel, KD4Z. K3 Serial # 0632 Factory Assembled. Original owner, non-smoker, climate-controlled environment. Updated with the current firmware revision. Includes original, Elecraft bound manuals (construction and operating), power cable, and optional hand mic. It has the following options installed: 1. KTCXO-1 TCXO 1 PPM 2. KSYN3A Synthesizer Board (New Synth) 3. KNB3 Noise Blanker Board 4. Battery Cover (is part of the 2nd Receiver kit -- 2nd RX board not included) 5. KBPF3A General Coverage Filter Board 6. KFL3A-2.7 kHZ Filter 7. KFL3a-6K AM Filter 8. KFL3B FM Filter 9. KXV3B Interface This radio works extremely well and is cosmetically in excellent condition. Just purchased a new K3s and no longer need this radio. It was last used as one of the CW stations at our "All Elecraft" Field Day and performed flawlessly. Price is: $2350 Firm. Sorry, CONUS only. Price includes shipping. Please direct inquiries to owner (not me! John isn't on this reflector --yet) : John Norris, N4IHV jwn45 at bellsouth.net (404) 307-5578 Roswell, Georgia From tomdon92 at gmail.com Tue Aug 14 14:58:51 2018 From: tomdon92 at gmail.com (Thomas Donohue) Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2018 14:58:51 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S settings for Heil HM-10 XD microphone Message-ID: <385867F4-0B1F-41E5-A49E-DEAD7520842C@gmail.com> I recently purchased subject mic and will be connecting it to the K3S shortly. Before I do that, I was wondering what mic settings to use? I currently have a Heil PR-10 mic and am using the MIC FP HI menu setting and a mic gain of 20; the PR-10 works fine, but I wanted to get a mic that I could switch back and forth from the wide HC-5X cartridge to the narrow or DX HC-4X cartridge, thus the HM-10 XD. I have purchased the XLR 4 pin CC-1, connecting cable to replace the XLR 3 pin cable that I use with the PR-10 for connection to the FP Mic connector. The PR-10 has a 600 ohm balance impedance while the HM-10 XD has a 600 ohm impedance, unbalanced, I guess. To begin I intend to use the MIC FP HI menu setting. Does anyone see a problem with that or is there anyone using a HM-10 XD that can offer some suggested settings. Any response or info will be appreciated. Best 73, Tom/W1QU From rmcgraw at blomand.net Tue Aug 14 15:03:16 2018 From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX) Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2018 14:03:16 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S settings for Heil HM-10 XD microphone In-Reply-To: <385867F4-0B1F-41E5-A49E-DEAD7520842C@gmail.com> References: <385867F4-0B1F-41E5-A49E-DEAD7520842C@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1A5A540D-F5C5-47FF-A769-B43877E90607@blomand.net> Does Heil have the settings on their website? I seem to recall they do. That is a good place to start. Bob, K4TAX Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 14, 2018, at 1:58 PM, Thomas Donohue wrote: > > I recently purchased subject mic and will be connecting it to the K3S shortly. Before I do that, I was wondering what mic settings to use? I currently have a Heil PR-10 mic and am using the MIC FP HI menu setting and a mic gain of 20; the PR-10 works fine, but I wanted to get a mic that I could switch back and forth from the wide HC-5X cartridge to the narrow or DX HC-4X cartridge, thus the HM-10 XD. I have purchased the XLR 4 pin CC-1, connecting cable to replace the XLR 3 pin cable that I use with the PR-10 for connection to the FP Mic connector. The PR-10 has a 600 ohm balance impedance while the HM-10 XD has a 600 ohm impedance, unbalanced, I guess. To begin I intend to use the MIC FP HI menu setting. Does anyone see a problem with that or is there anyone using a HM-10 XD that can offer some suggested settings. Any response or info will be appreciated. > > Best 73, > Tom/W1QU > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to rmcgraw at blomand.net > From kc2lsd at yahoo.com Tue Aug 14 18:28:45 2018 From: kc2lsd at yahoo.com (Cody C) Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2018 22:28:45 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] KPA 1500 and ICom 7560 Pro2 control References: <113913801.6872102.1534285725473.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <113913801.6872102.1534285725473@mail.yahoo.com> Good day group I am wondering is there a way to change bandson my KPA 1500 by selecting the band on my ICom 756 Pro 2. I have no issueswith the changing bands via a Rf burst. But I would really like it to change bands but selecting? the correct band from my radio. ? Thanks you in advance Cody KC2LSD From dick at elecraft.com Tue Aug 14 18:58:45 2018 From: dick at elecraft.com (Dick Dievendorff) Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2018 15:58:45 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA 1500 and ICom 7560 Pro2 control In-Reply-To: <113913801.6872102.1534285725473@mail.yahoo.com> References: <113913801.6872102.1534285725473.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <113913801.6872102.1534285725473@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <45218342-02B0-4EFD-A62E-E965FB93EB5B@elecraft.com> Would a CI-V cable work for you? I personally tested IC7600 and 7300 and I?ve been told that 7610 also works. The amp looks for the TX frequency message from the exciter. I?m not sure whether a 765 pro 2 sends that. If it doesn?t, I can teach KPA1500 firmware to look for the frequency message the 765 sends as you move the VFO, if I can figure out what that is. We want the TX VFO freq to deal with split and XIT. I?m away from my notes, but I think the CI-V message might be 1C with a sub code 3 for tx freq. If you connect the radio to amp via CI-V, check the XCVR FREQ status page, that comes from the CI-V message. Also choose Icom on the RADIO TYPE menu. There?s is a speed to match up and the radio needs to know to send TX freq messages on QSY, that?s called transceive in some icom documents. 73 de Dick, K6KR Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 14, 2018, at 15:28, Cody C via Elecraft wrote: > > Good day group I am wondering is there a way to change bandson my KPA 1500 by selecting the band on my ICom 756 Pro 2. I have no issueswith the changing bands via a Rf burst. But I would really like it to change bands but selecting the correct band from my radio. > > > > Thanks you in advance > > Cody > > KC2LSD > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dick at elecraft.com From ny9h at arrl.net Tue Aug 14 20:17:50 2018 From: ny9h at arrl.net (bill steffey) Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2018 20:17:50 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Firmware update fails.... ME TOO In-Reply-To: <000c01d43397$387afed0$a970fc70$@netvision.net.il> References: <000c01d43397$387afed0$a970fc70$@netvision.net.il> Message-ID: using p3 utility 1.16.3.15...... have MCU 1.59 svga 1.33 and when I check available I get 1.54 & 1.25 //// """ P3 MCU revision 01.59. RS-232 speed 38400 bit/s. 20:15:43 Opening connection to ftp.elecraft.com 20:15:43 Copying files to C:\Program Files (x86)\Elecraft\P3 Utility 20:15:43 FtpGetFile completed with error 0x00000005: Access is denied what am I doing wrong ???? At 02:22 AM 8/14/2018, TL_Netvision wrote: >Hi all > >I am trying to upgrade a P3 MCU 1.29 to 1.54 and\or 1.60 (No SVGA option >installed). > >When I hit "send checked items to P3" the relays click every 2 seconds and >I see 2 messages repeat forever: >1. "Attempting to connect P3 on port COM1 at 38400 bit/s" in the P3's >utility window, >2. "Checking for SVGA" on the P3's screen. > >No uploading is performed & I can terminate the loop only with the "cancel" >button. > >Environment: >-P3 utility ver 1.16.3.1 >-P3 is connected only to PS (13.8v external) & PC (Genuine full RS-232 >cable). >-All files are present in the "P3 firmware" folder (Windows 10 1803 build >17134). > >Any ideas please? > >Thanks in advance, >Isaac, 4Z1TL > > >--- >This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >https://www.avast.com/antivirus > >______________________________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >Message delivered to ny9h at arrl.net From don_roberts2000 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 14 20:19:32 2018 From: don_roberts2000 at yahoo.com (Don Roberts) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2018 00:19:32 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] K3 No power out References: <757771287.8084355.1534292372354.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <757771287.8084355.1534292372354@mail.yahoo.com> I have enjoyed the wisdom of this group and have learned so much but now it is my time to ask for help. My K3 is showing no power out. I have the K line. The relay clicks when going from 11 to 12 watts. I can set the power up to 110, but when I hit tune I get zere watts shown and verified by my watt meters. Makes no difference of mode, band, dummy load, resonant ant, or multiband hex beam, 80 meter horizontal loop, or 40 meter vertical. There is no output to tune anything. My last contacts showed no problems. Worked 10 meter cw, 20 and 6 meter ssb ok just two days ago.? It seems to be receiving fine. The P3 display is normal, the KAT 500 and KPA 500 change bands with the K3 as they normally do. I have rebooted the K3 several times and have killed the master AC power to everything only to bring it up to the same thing. The ALC, compression, mic gain all register correct, where I always run them. I have checked to make sure the Test button has not been ingaged. Press XMIT and all I get is 0 W.? I am sure I have forgotten something simple. Would appreciate any help.? Thanks 73, Don W4CBS Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android From ny9h at arrl.net Tue Aug 14 20:20:53 2018 From: ny9h at arrl.net (bill steffey) Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2018 20:20:53 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Firmware update fails.... ME TOO Message-ID: oops ! my serial port was denying access...... MY BAD using p3 utility 1.16.3.15...... have MCU 1.59 svga 1.33 and when I check available I get 1.54 & 1.25 //// """ P3 MCU revision 01.59. RS-232 speed 38400 bit/s. 20:15:43 Opening connection to ftp.elecraft.com 20:15:43 Copying files to C:\Program Files (x86)\Elecraft\P3 Utility 20:15:43 FtpGetFile completed with error 0x00000005: Access is denied what am I doing wrong ???? At 02:22 AM 8/14/2018, TL_Netvision wrote: >Hi all > >I am trying to upgrade a P3 MCU 1.29 to 1.54 and\or 1.60 (No SVGA option >installed). > >When I hit "send checked items to P3" the relays click every 2 seconds and >I see 2 messages repeat forever: >1. "Attempting to connect P3 on port COM1 at 38400 bit/s" in the P3's >utility window, >2. "Checking for SVGA" on the P3's screen. > >No uploading is performed & I can terminate the loop only with the "cancel" >button. > >Environment: >-P3 utility ver 1.16.3.1 >-P3 is connected only to PS (13.8v external) & PC (Genuine full RS-232 >cable). >-All files are present in the "P3 firmware" folder (Windows 10 1803 build >17134). > >Any ideas please? > >Thanks in advance, >Isaac, 4Z1TL > > >--- >This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >https://www.avast.com/antivirus > >______________________________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >Message delivered to ny9h at arrl.net From dennis at mail4life.net Tue Aug 14 20:31:05 2018 From: dennis at mail4life.net (Dennis Moore) Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2018 17:31:05 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 No power out In-Reply-To: <757771287.8084355.1534292372354@mail.yahoo.com> References: <757771287.8084355.1534292372354.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <757771287.8084355.1534292372354@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <7abc96fc-72c7-4809-b5a8-e64c704389d3@mail4life.net> "No power to tune anything." Does this mean you've only tried to tune, and haven't tried actually transmitting cw or phone? If so, and I don't know how it would have changed, have you checked the Menu-Config-TUN PWR to see what it is set to? If it is set to .1 it will show 0.0 73, Dennis NJ6G On 8/14/2018 17:19, Don Roberts via Elecraft wrote: > I have enjoyed the wisdom of this group and have learned so much but now it is my time to ask for help. My K3 is showing no power out. I have the K line. The relay clicks when going from 11 to 12 watts. I can set the power up to 110, but when I hit tune I get zere watts shown and verified by my watt meters. Makes no difference of mode, band, dummy load, resonant ant, or multiband hex beam, 80 meter horizontal loop, or 40 meter vertical. There is no output to tune anything. > My last contacts showed no problems. Worked 10 meter cw, 20 and 6 meter ssb ok just two days ago.? It seems to be receiving fine. The P3 display is normal, the KAT 500 and KPA 500 change bands with the K3 as they normally do. I have rebooted the K3 several times and have killed the master AC power to everything only to bring it up to the same thing. The ALC, compression, mic gain all register correct, where I always run them. I have checked to make sure the Test button has not been ingaged. Press XMIT and all I get is 0 W.? I am sure I have forgotten something simple. Would appreciate any help.? Thanks > 73, Don W4CBS From mike.flowers at gmail.com Tue Aug 14 21:50:49 2018 From: mike.flowers at gmail.com (Mike Flowers) Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2018 18:50:49 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 No power out In-Reply-To: <7abc96fc-72c7-4809-b5a8-e64c704389d3@mail4life.net> References: <757771287.8084355.1534292372354.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <757771287.8084355.1534292372354@mail.yahoo.com> <7abc96fc-72c7-4809-b5a8-e64c704389d3@mail4life.net> Message-ID: <6B8C154F-FA3A-43A2-B256-9627F3D4C66D@gmail.com> Elecraft service set my Tune Pwr to 5.1 watts to prevent ?inadvertent running of TX gain calibration?. Have you tried running the TX gain calibration with the K3 Utility? -- Mike Flowers, K6MKF, NCDXC - "It's about DX!" > On Aug 14, 2018, at 5:31 PM, Dennis Moore wrote: > > "No power to tune anything." Does this mean you've only tried to tune, and haven't tried actually transmitting cw or phone? If so, and I don't know how it would have changed, have you checked the Menu-Config-TUN PWR to see what it is set to? If it is set to .1 it will show 0.0 > > 73, Dennis NJ6G > > >> On 8/14/2018 17:19, Don Roberts via Elecraft wrote: >> I have enjoyed the wisdom of this group and have learned so much but now it is my time to ask for help. My K3 is showing no power out. I have the K line. The relay clicks when going from 11 to 12 watts. I can set the power up to 110, but when I hit tune I get zere watts shown and verified by my watt meters. Makes no difference of mode, band, dummy load, resonant ant, or multiband hex beam, 80 meter horizontal loop, or 40 meter vertical. There is no output to tune anything. >> My last contacts showed no problems. Worked 10 meter cw, 20 and 6 meter ssb ok just two days ago. It seems to be receiving fine. The P3 display is normal, the KAT 500 and KPA 500 change bands with the K3 as they normally do. I have rebooted the K3 several times and have killed the master AC power to everything only to bring it up to the same thing. The ALC, compression, mic gain all register correct, where I always run them. I have checked to make sure the Test button has not been ingaged. Press XMIT and all I get is 0 W. I am sure I have forgotten something simple. Would appreciate any help. Thanks >> 73, Don W4CBS > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to mike.flowers at gmail.com From don_roberts2000 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 15 00:29:17 2018 From: don_roberts2000 at yahoo.com (Don Roberts) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2018 04:29:17 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] K3 No power out References: <298474956.8182250.1534307357476.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <298474956.8182250.1534307357476@mail.yahoo.com> Yes I can set it at 35 watts which is what I usually use to drive the KPA 500, and speak in the mic for ssb and get no power out. In cw at the same 35 watts, when I send code either straight key or padfle. 0 watts out. Same results if I attempt to run bearfoot at 100 watts or 5 watts, I get no power out. Receive is working fine, the P3 is working normal, and the KPA 500 and KAT 500 track bands as I change them. I will try again tomorrow after a night of sleep. If still no go, will phone home to Elecraft Don, W4CBS Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android From jhdmd at bellsouth.net Wed Aug 15 06:09:18 2018 From: jhdmd at bellsouth.net (John Harden, D.M.D.) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2018 06:09:18 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Message-ID: I purchased my K3 in 2011 when I took a lightening strike to my Orion I. After using it for 7 years I have really grown to like it. One great feature is the ability to use two separate receive antennas with Diversity Receive... No other transceiver has this feature.. Plus being retired military I DO NOT purchase RICE BOX gear... Only American.. 73, John, W4NU (K4JAG 1959 to 1998) From nr4c at widomaker.com Wed Aug 15 06:40:33 2018 From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2018 06:40:33 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S settings for Heil HM-10 XD microphone In-Reply-To: <1A5A540D-F5C5-47FF-A769-B43877E90607@blomand.net> References: <385867F4-0B1F-41E5-A49E-DEAD7520842C@gmail.com> <1A5A540D-F5C5-47FF-A769-B43877E90607@blomand.net> Message-ID: I?d start by using same strings as with previous mic. Adjust as necessary. Sent from my iPhone ...nr4c. bill > On Aug 14, 2018, at 3:03 PM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote: > > Does Heil have the settings on their website? I seem to recall they do. That is a good place to start. > > Bob, K4TAX > > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Aug 14, 2018, at 1:58 PM, Thomas Donohue wrote: >> >> I recently purchased subject mic and will be connecting it to the K3S shortly. Before I do that, I was wondering what mic settings to use? I currently have a Heil PR-10 mic and am using the MIC FP HI menu setting and a mic gain of 20; the PR-10 works fine, but I wanted to get a mic that I could switch back and forth from the wide HC-5X cartridge to the narrow or DX HC-4X cartridge, thus the HM-10 XD. I have purchased the XLR 4 pin CC-1, connecting cable to replace the XLR 3 pin cable that I use with the PR-10 for connection to the FP Mic connector. The PR-10 has a 600 ohm balance impedance while the HM-10 XD has a 600 ohm impedance, unbalanced, I guess. To begin I intend to use the MIC FP HI menu setting. Does anyone see a problem with that or is there anyone using a HM-10 XD that can offer some suggested settings. Any response or info will be appreciated. >> >> Best 73, >> Tom/W1QU >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to rmcgraw at blomand.net >> > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to nr4c at widomaker.com From ke8g.jim at gmail.com Wed Aug 15 07:08:29 2018 From: ke8g.jim at gmail.com (Jim Blanca) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2018 07:08:29 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 No power out In-Reply-To: <757771287.8084355.1534292372354@mail.yahoo.com> References: <757771287.8084355.1534292372354.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <757771287.8084355.1534292372354@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Don, Have you tried transmitting at 10 watts, and do you get RF output? Do you also loose receive when you pass the 12 watt threshold? If you have any of these symptoms, good chance it?s a PIN T/R malfunction. My beloved K3 was doing the same thing... one day she was running like a champ, next day the high power amp up and quite. She is now back at the mothership being revived. Fortunately, I have another K3 and K3s to put in line. Good luck in resuscitating her! 73 de Jim - KE8G On Tue, Aug 14, 2018 at 8:19 PM Don Roberts via Elecraft < elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote: > I have enjoyed the wisdom of this group and have learned so much but now > it is my time to ask for help. My K3 is showing no power out. I have the K > line. The relay clicks when going from 11 to 12 watts. I can set the power > up to 110, but when I hit tune I get zere watts shown and verified by my > watt meters. Makes no difference of mode, band, dummy load, resonant ant, > or multiband hex beam, 80 meter horizontal loop, or 40 meter vertical. > There is no output to tune anything. > My last contacts showed no problems. Worked 10 meter cw, 20 and 6 meter > ssb ok just two days ago. It seems to be receiving fine. The P3 display is > normal, the KAT 500 and KPA 500 change bands with the K3 as they normally > do. I have rebooted the K3 several times and have killed the master AC > power to everything only to bring it up to the same thing. The ALC, > compression, mic gain all register correct, where I always run them. I have > checked to make sure the Test button has not been ingaged. Press XMIT and > all I get is 0 W. I am sure I have forgotten something simple. Would > appreciate any help. Thanks > 73, Don W4CBS > > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to ke8g.jim at gmail.com From dpbunte at gmail.com Wed Aug 15 07:25:33 2018 From: dpbunte at gmail.com (David Bunte) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2018 07:25:33 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 No power out In-Reply-To: <298474956.8182250.1534307357476@mail.yahoo.com> References: <298474956.8182250.1534307357476.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <298474956.8182250.1534307357476@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Don - If this was suggested before, I missed it and apologize for the redundancy. Has the rig inadvertently been put into the test mode? If the TX indicator under the VFO A box is blinking, that would explain the symptoms. Dave - K9FN On Wed, Aug 15, 2018 at 12:30 AM Don Roberts via Elecraft < elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote: > Yes I can set it at 35 watts which is what I usually use to drive the KPA > 500, and speak in the mic for ssb and get no power out. In cw at the same > 35 watts, when I send code either straight key or padfle. 0 watts out. Same > results if I attempt to run bearfoot at 100 watts or 5 watts, I get no > power out. Receive is working fine, the P3 is working normal, and the KPA > 500 and KAT 500 track bands as I change them. > I will try again tomorrow after a night of sleep. If still no go, will > phone home to Elecraft > Don, W4CBS > > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dpbunte at gmail.com > From pincon at erols.com Wed Aug 15 07:42:05 2018 From: pincon at erols.com (Charlie T) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2018 07:42:05 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <001301d4348d$00c4d640$024e82c0$@erols.com> I may be mistaken, but I believe the IC-7610 can do that without buying optional accessories, since I used that feature during the June VHF contest on six meters, and it was quite an eye-opener. 73, Charlie k3ICH -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of John Harden, D.M.D. Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2018 6:09 AM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] K3 I purchased my K3 in 2011 when I took a lightening strike to my Orion I. After using it for 7 years I have really grown to like it. One great feature is the ability to use two separate receive antennas with Diversity Receive... No other transceiver has this feature.. Plus being retired military I DO NOT purchase RICE BOX gear... Only American.. 73, John, W4NU (K4JAG 1959 to 1998) ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to pincon at erols.com From k9ztv at socket.net Wed Aug 15 08:28:44 2018 From: k9ztv at socket.net (K9ZTV) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2018 07:28:44 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <713626F7-08C3-476F-B458-4EEBB7DDDEE0@socket.net> Incorrect. FT-1000 30 years ago and Signal One 50 years ago. K9ZTV > On Aug 15, 2018, someone wrote: > > I purchased my K3 in 2011 ... One great feature is the ability to use two separate receive antennas with Diversity Receive... No other transceiver has this feature.. > From pincon at erols.com Wed Aug 15 08:38:40 2018 From: pincon at erols.com (Charlie T) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2018 08:38:40 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 In-Reply-To: <713626F7-08C3-476F-B458-4EEBB7DDDEE0@socket.net> References: <713626F7-08C3-476F-B458-4EEBB7DDDEE0@socket.net> Message-ID: <000d01d43494$e82c0470$b8840d50$@erols.com> Don't forget the Hallicrafters DD-1 from 1937. Chas -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of K9ZTV Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2018 8:29 AM To: John Harden, D.M.D. Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Incorrect. FT-1000 30 years ago and Signal One 50 years ago. K9ZTV > On Aug 15, 2018, someone wrote: > > I purchased my K3 in 2011 ... One great feature is the ability to use two separate receive antennas with Diversity Receive... No other transceiver has this feature.. > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to pincon at erols.com From w4nz at comcast.net Wed Aug 15 08:39:18 2018 From: w4nz at comcast.net (Ted Bryant) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2018 08:39:18 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 In-Reply-To: <713626F7-08C3-476F-B458-4EEBB7DDDEE0@socket.net> References: <713626F7-08C3-476F-B458-4EEBB7DDDEE0@socket.net> Message-ID: <004c01d43494$fcc46300$f64d2900$@comcast.net> So can the Orion/Orion II Ted W4NZ -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of K9ZTV Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2018 8:29 AM To: John Harden, D.M.D. Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Incorrect. FT-1000 30 years ago and Signal One 50 years ago. K9ZTV > On Aug 15, 2018, someone wrote: > > I purchased my K3 in 2011 ... One great feature is the ability to use two separate receive antennas with Diversity Receive... No other transceiver has this feature.. > From donwilh at embarqmail.com Wed Aug 15 09:03:24 2018 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2018 09:03:24 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 In-Reply-To: <004c01d43494$fcc46300$f64d2900$@comcast.net> References: <713626F7-08C3-476F-B458-4EEBB7DDDEE0@socket.net> <004c01d43494$fcc46300$f64d2900$@comcast.net> Message-ID: <351b273e-20a5-583b-858b-8bee195ad852@embarqmail.com> But I believe the K3 is the first to do diversity with 2 identical receivers. 73, Don W3FPR On 8/15/2018 8:39 AM, Ted Bryant wrote: > So can the Orion/Orion II > > Ted W4NZ > > -----Original Message----- > From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net > [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of K9ZTV > Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2018 8:29 AM > To: John Harden, D.M.D. > Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 > > Incorrect. FT-1000 30 years ago and Signal One 50 years ago. From hullspeed21 at gmail.com Wed Aug 15 09:22:53 2018 From: hullspeed21 at gmail.com (Warren Merkel) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2018 09:22:53 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] For Sale, K3 with new synth and AM/FM filters Message-ID: <798d1184-5015-e9f9-bf9c-02dbee94f4f7@gmail.com> -Correction- The seller is *not* the original owner.? That was my mistake. The rest of the FS information is accurate.? The radio is still available. Warren Merkel, KD4Z From py2pt.brazil at gmail.com Wed Aug 15 09:27:15 2018 From: py2pt.brazil at gmail.com (Ricardo Rodrigues) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2018 13:27:15 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Info - driver - Gigaware USB cable Message-ID: Dear guys, Please, could you suggest a driver to use with Gigaware USB to serial cable? I?m working with a mac computer. Best Regards Ricardo Rodrigues - PY2PT | PX2F | 3D2PT | T30PT | T33PT | HH2/PY2PT py2pt.brazil at gmail.com http://www.py2pt.com @ricrodrigues VP6D team member (2018) T33A team member (2013) 8R1PY team member (2012) T30PY/T30SIX team member (2012) TO2FH team member (Mayotte - 2011) From donwilh at embarqmail.com Wed Aug 15 10:21:53 2018 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2018 10:21:53 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Firmware update fails.... ME TOO In-Reply-To: <20180815001920.66925149B178@mailman.qth.net> References: <000c01d43397$387afed0$a970fc70$@netvision.net.il> <20180815001920.66925149B178@mailman.qth.net> Message-ID: Bill, The firmware update is a 2 step process. The first is to download the firmware files to your computer (check for new files at Elecraft), and the 2nd is to load those files from your computer to the P3/K3/etc and requires you to click on Send Files to P3/K3/etc". From those messages, you are apparently failing on the first step. Try again and if it continues, contact your ISP. 73, Don W3FPR On 8/14/2018 8:17 PM, bill steffey wrote: > using p3 utility 1.16.3.15...... > ?? have MCU? 1.59?? svga 1.33 > and > when I check available I get?? 1.54? & 1.25 //// > """ > P3 MCU revision 01.59. RS-232 speed 38400 bit/s. > 20:15:43 Opening connection to ftp.elecraft.com > 20:15:43 Copying files to C:\Program Files (x86)\Elecraft\P3 Utility > 20:15:43 FtpGetFile completed with error 0x00000005: Access is denied > > what am I doing wrong ???? > At 02:22 AM 8/14/2018, TL_Netvision wrote: >> Hi all >> >> I am trying to upgrade a P3 MCU 1.29 to 1.54 and\or 1.60? (No SVGA option >> installed). >> >> When I hit "send checked items to P3"? the relays click every 2 >> seconds and >> I see 2 messages repeat forever: >> 1.? "Attempting to connect P3 on port COM1 at 38400 bit/s" in the P3's >> utility window, >> 2.? "Checking for SVGA" on the P3's screen. >> >> No uploading is performed & I can terminate the loop only with the >> "cancel" >> button. >> >> Environment: >> -P3 utility ver 1.16.3.1 >> -P3 is connected only to PS (13.8v external)? & PC (Genuine full RS-232 >> cable). >> -All files are present in the "P3 firmware" folder (Windows 10 1803 build >> 17134). >> >> Any ideas please? >> >> Thanks in advance, >> Isaac, 4Z1TL >> >> >> --- >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to ny9h at arrl.net > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to donwilh at embarqmail.com > From dale at ldeo.columbia.edu Wed Aug 15 10:31:58 2018 From: dale at ldeo.columbia.edu (Dale Chayes) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2018 10:31:58 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Info - driver - Gigaware USB cable In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > On Aug 15, 2018, at 09:27 , Ricardo Rodrigues wrote: > > Dear guys, > > Please, could you suggest a driver to use with Gigaware USB to serial cable? > I?m working with a mac computer. Ricardo, No personal experience w/ any Gigaware USB to serial devices, but I?ve used many others that work properly with the right drivers?. Some easier to set up than others. This seems like it is really an OS X (unless you are using a _really_ old Mac) question. I?d suggest a bit of rummaging around on the web. You?ll probably have to be more specific about version of OS X you are using, but google on "Gigaware USB to serial cable osx? turns up plenty of interesting info, Including the clue that (at least some) Gigaware USB to serial devices use Prolific chipsets. https://discussions.apple.com/thread/6713086 -Dale KB1ZKD > > > Best Regards > > > > Ricardo Rodrigues - PY2PT | PX2F | 3D2PT | T30PT | T33PT | HH2/PY2PT > py2pt.brazil at gmail.com > http://www.py2pt.com > @ricrodrigues > VP6D team member (2018) > T33A team member (2013) > 8R1PY team member (2012) > T30PY/T30SIX team member (2012) > TO2FH team member (Mayotte - 2011) > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dale at ldeo.columbia.edu > From rmcgraw at blomand.net Wed Aug 15 11:06:07 2018 From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2018 10:06:07 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Info - driver - Gigaware USB cable In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3cda5d79-c790-3680-fc3c-63de76a6d7e7@blomand.net> I did purchase a Gigaware USB to serial converter cable from Radio Shack as I recall.?? Loaded the drivers that came on the CD with the purchase.? Spent several hours over several days trying to get the thing to work.? It would almost work but gave me errors or didn't work at all. ?? Finally threw the entire thing in the trash and uninstalled the drivers. Purchased a USB to serial cable from R T Systems.? All issues were resolved and every thing works as it should. 73 Bob, K4TAX On 8/15/2018 9:31 AM, Dale Chayes wrote: >> On Aug 15, 2018, at 09:27 , Ricardo Rodrigues wrote: >> >> Dear guys, >> >> Please, could you suggest a driver to use with Gigaware USB to serial cable? >> I?m working with a mac computer. > Ricardo, > > No personal experience w/ any Gigaware USB to serial devices, but I?ve used many others that work properly with the right drivers?. > Some easier to set up than others. > > This seems like it is really an OS X (unless you are using a _really_ old Mac) question. > > I?d suggest a bit of rummaging around on the web. You?ll probably have to be more specific about version of OS X you are using, but > > google on "Gigaware USB to serial cable osx? turns up plenty of interesting info, Including the clue that (at least some) Gigaware USB to serial devices use Prolific chipsets. > > https://discussions.apple.com/thread/6713086 > > > > -Dale > KB1ZKD > >> >> Best Regards >> >> >> >> Ricardo Rodrigues - PY2PT | PX2F | 3D2PT | T30PT | T33PT | HH2/PY2PT >> py2pt.brazil at gmail.com >> http://www.py2pt.com >> @ricrodrigues >> VP6D team member (2018) >> T33A team member (2013) >> 8R1PY team member (2012) >> T30PY/T30SIX team member (2012) >> TO2FH team member (Mayotte - 2011) >> >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to dale at ldeo.columbia.edu >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to rmcgraw at blomand.net From kb2m at arrl.net Wed Aug 15 11:18:35 2018 From: kb2m at arrl.net (jeff griffin) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2018 11:18:35 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 In-Reply-To: <351b273e-20a5-583b-858b-8bee195ad852@embarqmail.com> References: <713626F7-08C3-476F-B458-4EEBB7DDDEE0@socket.net> <004c01d43494$fcc46300$f64d2900$@comcast.net> <351b273e-20a5-583b-858b-8bee195ad852@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <007801d434ab$3cd9b6a0$b68d23e0$@net> I'm thinking the Yaesu 9000D was first with identical receivers... 73 Jeff kb2m -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Don Wilhelm Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2018 9:03 AM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 But I believe the K3 is the first to do diversity with 2 identical receivers. 73, Don W3FPR On 8/15/2018 8:39 AM, Ted Bryant wrote: > So can the Orion/Orion II > > Ted W4NZ > > -----Original Message----- > From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net > [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of K9ZTV > Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2018 8:29 AM > To: John Harden, D.M.D. > Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 > > Incorrect. FT-1000 30 years ago and Signal One 50 years ago. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to kb2m at arrl.net From plascell at gmail.com Wed Aug 15 11:43:52 2018 From: plascell at gmail.com (Pete Lascell) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2018 11:43:52 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 In-Reply-To: <000d01d43494$e82c0470$b8840d50$@erols.com> References: <713626F7-08C3-476F-B458-4EEBB7DDDEE0@socket.net> <000d01d43494$e82c0470$b8840d50$@erols.com> Message-ID: <1UQYZA1VHZ.4MYWXDCaVs5@pete-pc> The DD-1 I had in the late 50's was a horse of a receiver. Had to use a Seeburg juke box amp and dual speakers to suck the audio out of it :-) Pete W4WWQ ----- Original Message ----- From: Charlie T To: Sent: 8/15/2018 8:38:40 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 ________________________________________________________________________________ Don't forget the Hallicrafters DD-1 from 1937. Chas -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of K9ZTV Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2018 8:29 AM To: John Harden, D.M.D. Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Incorrect. FT-1000 30 years ago and Signal One 50 years ago. K9ZTV > On Aug 15, 2018, someone wrote: > > I purchased my K3 in 2011 ... One great feature is the ability to use two separate receive antennas with Diversity Receive... No other transceiver has this feature.. > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to pincon at erols.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to plascell at gmail.com From ppauly at gmail.com Wed Aug 15 11:49:09 2018 From: ppauly at gmail.com (Peter Pauly) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2018 11:49:09 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] DX World Transceiver survey Message-ID: Elecraft is currently in 4th place. You know what to do... https://dx-world.net/worldwide-transceiver-survey/ From lists at w2irt.net Wed Aug 15 12:07:23 2018 From: lists at w2irt.net (Peter W2IRT) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2018 12:07:23 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] DX World Transceiver survey In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000c01d434b2$0e436d70$2aca4850$@net> Up to 2nd place now, but not a good representative sample. 100 votes for Icom, 82 for Elecraft, 69 for Yaesu, 53 for Kenwood as of the time of this writing. - pjd -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Peter Pauly Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2018 11:49 AM To: Elecraft Reflector Subject: [Elecraft] DX World Transceiver survey Elecraft is currently in 4th place. You know what to do... https://dx-world.net/worldwide-transceiver-survey/ ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to lists at w2irt.net From donovanf at starpower.net Wed Aug 15 12:08:26 2018 From: donovanf at starpower.net (donovanf at starpower.net) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2018 12:08:26 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Elecraft] K3 In-Reply-To: <1UQYZA1VHZ.4MYWXDCaVs5@pete-pc> Message-ID: <551582820.4722975.1534349306678.JavaMail.root@starpower.net> Can anyone say triple diversity? www.virhistory.com/navy/rcvrs/rbp.htm 73 Frank W3LPL ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pete Lascell" To: "Charlie T" , elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2018 3:43:52 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 The DD-1 I had in the late 50's was a horse of a receiver. Had to use a Seeburg juke box amp and dual speakers to suck the audio out of it :-) Pete W4WWQ ----- Original Message ----- From: Charlie T To: Sent: 8/15/2018 8:38:40 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 ________________________________________________________________________________ Don't forget the Hallicrafters DD-1 from 1937. Chas -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of K9ZTV Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2018 8:29 AM To: John Harden, D.M.D. Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Incorrect. FT-1000 30 years ago and Signal One 50 years ago. K9ZTV > On Aug 15, 2018, someone wrote: > > I purchased my K3 in 2011 ... One great feature is the ability to use two separate receive antennas with Diversity Receive... No other transceiver has this feature.. > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to pincon at erols.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to plascell at gmail.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to donovanf at starpower.net From rmcgraw at blomand.net Wed Aug 15 12:11:24 2018 From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2018 11:11:24 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] DX World Transceiver survey In-Reply-To: <000c01d434b2$0e436d70$2aca4850$@net> References: <000c01d434b2$0e436d70$2aca4850$@net> Message-ID: And it does not consider the volume or number of units sold either.??? Rather poor constructed survey, in my opinion.? More like a high school popularity contest. 73 Bob, K4TAX On 8/15/2018 11:07 AM, Peter W2IRT wrote: > Up to 2nd place now, but not a good representative sample. 100 votes for Icom, > 82 for Elecraft, 69 for Yaesu, 53 for Kenwood as of the time of this writing. > > - pjd > > -----Original Message----- > From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] > On Behalf Of Peter Pauly > Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2018 11:49 AM > To: Elecraft Reflector > Subject: [Elecraft] DX World Transceiver survey > > Elecraft is currently in 4th place. You know what to do... > > https://dx-world.net/worldwide-transceiver-survey/ > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to lists at w2irt.net > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to rmcgraw at blomand.net > From dennis at mail4life.net Wed Aug 15 12:19:54 2018 From: dennis at mail4life.net (Dennis Moore) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2018 09:19:54 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] DX World Transceiver survey In-Reply-To: References: <000c01d434b2$0e436d70$2aca4850$@net> Message-ID: Correct. I answered Elecraft because they're the only radio I've known since I got my license. Somebody might answer Baofeng for the same reason. 73, Dennis NJ6G On 8/15/2018 09:11, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote: > And it does not consider the volume or number of units sold either. > Rather poor constructed survey, in my opinion.? More like a high > school popularity contest. > > 73 > > Bob, K4TAX From mike at rioux.org Wed Aug 15 12:10:16 2018 From: mike at rioux.org (Mike Rioux) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2018 12:10:16 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] DX World Transceiver survey In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Icom?s first place may reflect their position as a ?primary ? sponsor of dx world? Mike W1USN Sent from my shoe phone > On Aug 15, 2018, at 11:49 AM, Peter Pauly wrote: > > Elecraft is currently in 4th place. You know what to do... > > https://dx-world.net/worldwide-transceiver-survey/ > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to mike at rioux.org > From n3eta at coastside.net Wed Aug 15 13:01:56 2018 From: n3eta at coastside.net (Ron Genovesi) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2018 10:01:56 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] DX World Transceiver survey In-Reply-To: References: <000c01d434b2$0e436d70$2aca4850$@net> Message-ID: Friends don?t let friends use Baofeng! Ron Genovesi N3ETA Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 15, 2018, at 9:19 AM, Dennis Moore wrote: > > Correct. I answered Elecraft because they're the only radio I've known since I got my license. Somebody might answer Baofeng for the same reason. > > 73, Dennis NJ6G > > >> On 8/15/2018 09:11, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote: >> And it does not consider the volume or number of units sold either. Rather poor constructed survey, in my opinion. More like a high school popularity contest. >> >> 73 >> >> Bob, K4TAX > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n3eta at coastside.net From billgerth at embarqmail.com Wed Aug 15 13:07:31 2018 From: billgerth at embarqmail.com (Bill Gerth) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2018 12:07:31 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] DX World Transceiver survey In-Reply-To: References: <000c01d434b2$0e436d70$2aca4850$@net> Message-ID: <89697D3A-9F44-45AC-B778-81C7334FEF96@embarqmail.com> Elecraft now in 1st place as of 1707 UTC. 73, BILL W4RK > On Aug 15, 2018, at 12:01 PM, Ron Genovesi wrote: > > Friends don?t let friends use Baofeng! > > Ron Genovesi > N3ETA > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Aug 15, 2018, at 9:19 AM, Dennis Moore > wrote: >> >> Correct. I answered Elecraft because they're the only radio I've known since I got my license. Somebody might answer Baofeng for the same reason. >> >> 73, Dennis NJ6G >> >> >>> On 8/15/2018 09:11, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote: >>> And it does not consider the volume or number of units sold either. Rather poor constructed survey, in my opinion. More like a high school popularity contest. >>> >>> 73 >>> >>> Bob, K4TAX >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to n3eta at coastside.net > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to billgerth at embarqmail.com From phystad at mac.com Wed Aug 15 13:08:49 2018 From: phystad at mac.com (Phil Hystad) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2018 10:08:49 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] DX World Transceiver survey In-Reply-To: References: <000c01d434b2$0e436d70$2aca4850$@net> Message-ID: <692DDC07-EDCD-40AF-9D4D-D599DFC35F51@mac.com> Surveys that collect information from the users of the service or product don?t usually publish volume or number of units sold. They will publish information on numbers of persons surveyed or break down numbers per product type. It is a totally different type of ?survey? that reports on product comparisons including units sold and so forth. That kind of survey is what you would expect from a Consumer Reports product review, not a survey of users. Usually, a survey that requests you to pick from a selection of products is no different then a high school popularity contest. And, most surveys are like this. Including those political polling surveys. But, there are serious surveys too. I once did a survey for Consumer Reports on a new car purchase. It took me 30 minutes to finish. I think it had on the order of 100+ questions. It was years ago and not even an on-line survey. I can?t remember how many pages were involved but it was enough to result in an extra heavy return envelope though postage was prepared. I had to mark a whole lot of little check boxes and so on with a black pen. 73, phil, K7PEH > On Aug 15, 2018, at 9:11 AM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote: > > And it does not consider the volume or number of units sold either. Rather poor constructed survey, in my opinion. More like a high school popularity contest. > > 73 > > Bob, K4TAX > > > On 8/15/2018 11:07 AM, Peter W2IRT wrote: >> Up to 2nd place now, but not a good representative sample. 100 votes for Icom, >> 82 for Elecraft, 69 for Yaesu, 53 for Kenwood as of the time of this writing. >> >> - pjd >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] >> On Behalf Of Peter Pauly >> Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2018 11:49 AM >> To: Elecraft Reflector >> Subject: [Elecraft] DX World Transceiver survey >> >> Elecraft is currently in 4th place. You know what to do... >> >> https://dx-world.net/worldwide-transceiver-survey/ >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to lists at w2irt.net >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to rmcgraw at blomand.net >> > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to phystad at mac.com From lists at subich.com Wed Aug 15 13:28:54 2018 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2018 13:28:54 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 In-Reply-To: <007801d434ab$3cd9b6a0$b68d23e0$@net> References: <713626F7-08C3-476F-B458-4EEBB7DDDEE0@socket.net> <004c01d43494$fcc46300$f64d2900$@comcast.net> <351b273e-20a5-583b-858b-8bee195ad852@embarqmail.com> <007801d434ab$3cd9b6a0$b68d23e0$@net> Message-ID: <2208a37d-f17d-c8b2-73fa-b5a872bbceba@subich.com> FTdx9000 did not have identical receivers. All of yaesu's dual receiver transceivers have a grossly inferior second receiver. In addition, the two receivers are not phase locked so they suffer from platform motion as the local oscillators drift relative to each other. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 2018-08-15 11:18 AM, jeff griffin wrote: > I'm thinking the Yaesu 9000D was first with identical receivers... > > 73 Jeff kb2m > > -----Original Message----- > From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net > [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Don Wilhelm > Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2018 9:03 AM > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 > > But I believe the K3 is the first to do diversity with 2 identical > receivers. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > From lists at w2irt.net Wed Aug 15 13:53:36 2018 From: lists at w2irt.net (Peter W2IRT) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2018 13:53:36 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] DX World Transceiver survey In-Reply-To: <692DDC07-EDCD-40AF-9D4D-D599DFC35F51@mac.com> References: <000c01d434b2$0e436d70$2aca4850$@net> <692DDC07-EDCD-40AF-9D4D-D599DFC35F51@mac.com> Message-ID: <001801d434c0$e4898550$ad9c8ff0$@net> The very nature of this survey is heavily skewed. DX World is not a website than Barry Baofeng, Nathan Netminder or Hammy Hambone are ever going to visit. - pjd -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Phil Hystad via Elecraft Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2018 1:09 PM To: Bob McGraw K4TAX Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] DX World Transceiver survey Surveys that collect information from the users of the service or product don?t usually publish volume or number of units sold. They will publish information on numbers of persons surveyed or break down numbers per product type. It is a totally different type of ?survey? that reports on product comparisons including units sold and so forth. That kind of survey is what you would expect from a Consumer Reports product review, not a survey of users. Usually, a survey that requests you to pick from a selection of products is no different then a high school popularity contest. And, most surveys are like this. Including those political polling surveys. But, there are serious surveys too. I once did a survey for Consumer Reports on a new car purchase. It took me 30 minutes to finish. I think it had on the order of 100+ questions. It was years ago and not even an on-line survey. I can?t remember how many pages were involved but it was enough to result in an extra heavy return envelope though postage was prepared. I had to mark a whole lot of little check boxes and so on with a black pen. 73, phil, K7PEH > On Aug 15, 2018, at 9:11 AM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote: > > And it does not consider the volume or number of units sold either. Rather poor constructed survey, in my opinion. More like a high school popularity contest. > > 73 > > Bob, K4TAX > > > On 8/15/2018 11:07 AM, Peter W2IRT wrote: >> Up to 2nd place now, but not a good representative sample. 100 votes for Icom, >> 82 for Elecraft, 69 for Yaesu, 53 for Kenwood as of the time of this writing. >> >> - pjd >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] >> On Behalf Of Peter Pauly >> Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2018 11:49 AM >> To: Elecraft Reflector >> Subject: [Elecraft] DX World Transceiver survey >> >> Elecraft is currently in 4th place. You know what to do... >> >> https://dx-world.net/worldwide-transceiver-survey/ >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to lists at w2irt.net >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to rmcgraw at blomand.net >> > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to phystad at mac.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to lists at w2irt.net From kb2m at arrl.net Wed Aug 15 14:13:59 2018 From: kb2m at arrl.net (jeff griffin) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2018 14:13:59 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 In-Reply-To: <2208a37d-f17d-c8b2-73fa-b5a872bbceba@subich.com> References: <713626F7-08C3-476F-B458-4EEBB7DDDEE0@socket.net> <004c01d43494$fcc46300$f64d2900$@comcast.net> <351b273e-20a5-583b-858b-8bee195ad852@embarqmail.com> <007801d434ab$3cd9b6a0$b68d23e0$@net> <2208a37d-f17d-c8b2-73fa-b5a872bbceba@subich.com> Message-ID: <00c301d434c3$bd3a5210$37aef630$@net> The Yaesu 9000D indeed had two identical receivers.. 73 Jeff kb2m -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Joe Subich, W4TV Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2018 1:29 PM To: Elecraft Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 FTdx9000 did not have identical receivers. All of yaesu's dual receiver transceivers have a grossly inferior second receiver. In addition, the two receivers are not phase locked so they suffer from platform motion as the local oscillators drift relative to each other. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 2018-08-15 11:18 AM, jeff griffin wrote: > I'm thinking the Yaesu 9000D was first with identical receivers... > > 73 Jeff kb2m > > -----Original Message----- > From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net > [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Don Wilhelm > Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2018 9:03 AM > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 > > But I believe the K3 is the first to do diversity with 2 identical > receivers. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to kb2m at arrl.net From hullspeed21 at gmail.com Wed Aug 15 14:43:39 2018 From: hullspeed21 at gmail.com (Warren Merkel) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2018 14:43:39 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] [KPA1500] Auto start KPA1500-Remote in host mode ? Message-ID: <613549dd-cb2d-4127-6aa3-154ac86d408b@gmail.com> I'm looking to get the KPA1500-Remote utility to survive these darn Windows 10 forced reboots after Windows Update.?? I can get the KPA1500 Remote utility to auto-start FB after a reboot. However, it doesn't remember it was in "Host Remote" mode and just comes up waiting for mouse clicks that will never come -- since it's on an unattended PC running RCForb.? I'm using it in "Ethernet" mode, though the KPA1500's USB cable is also connected to the same PC for RCForb. There doesn't seem to be any command line options yet, or at least nothing is documented or listed from a /h, /help, or /? command line parameter. Am I missing something in the setup dialogs? Other observations: When the "Start Hosting Remote" command button is clicked, I get the warning dialog: "IP Address Appears not to be a Local IP or Invalid IP..." My IP addresses are sane as both the PC and the KPA1500? have valid addresses in the 192.168.x.x address space.? Could this warning dialog be getting in the way of the auto-start of Hosting Remote mode. The process name shows up in task list as "KPA500-Remote", though I know it's really the KPA1500 version of the app. Constructive suggestions welcomed. KPA1500 Remote version 1.0.14.0 Warren Merkel, KD4Z From drzarkof56 at yahoo.com Wed Aug 15 15:24:05 2018 From: drzarkof56 at yahoo.com (Doug Millar) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2018 19:24:05 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Wanted References: <1293565363.8040029.1534361045991.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1293565363.8040029.1534361045991@mail.yahoo.com> Hi Ecrafters, Does anyone have a P3 with a VGA board that they would like to part with? Best of condition is not necessary. Thanks, Doug K6JEY? 562 810 3989 From km4ik.ian at gmail.com Wed Aug 15 16:47:47 2018 From: km4ik.ian at gmail.com (Ian Kahn, KM4IK) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2018 16:47:47 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] DX World Transceiver survey In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4b76857f-360f-a00a-50ff-477b26ed3301@gmail.com> Elecraft is now in first place, by about 70 votes over Icom! Great job Elecrafters! 73 de, Ian, KM4IK K3 #281, P3 #681 On 08/15/2018 11:49 AM, Peter Pauly wrote: > Elecraft is currently in 4th place. You know what to do... > > https://dx-world.net/worldwide-transceiver-survey/ > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to km4ik.ian at gmail.com From turnbull at net1.ie Wed Aug 15 17:01:52 2018 From: turnbull at net1.ie (Doug Turnbull) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2018 21:01:52 -0000 Subject: [Elecraft] DX World Transceiver survey In-Reply-To: <4b76857f-360f-a00a-50ff-477b26ed3301@gmail.com> References: <4b76857f-360f-a00a-50ff-477b26ed3301@gmail.com> Message-ID: <646132A1E6EA4DE2852796819AF3ABE8@DougTPC> Dear OMs, It is a bit like surveys the BBC occasionally runs. If there is an Irish element to it then the whole of Ireland gangs up and skews it to praise an Irishman, song, poem or what have you. 73 Doug EI2CN -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Ian Kahn, KM4IK Sent: 15 August 2018 20:48 To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] DX World Transceiver survey Elecraft is now in first place, by about 70 votes over Icom! Great job Elecrafters! 73 de, Ian, KM4IK K3 #281, P3 #681 On 08/15/2018 11:49 AM, Peter Pauly wrote: > Elecraft is currently in 4th place. You know what to do... > > https://dx-world.net/worldwide-transceiver-survey/ > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to km4ik.ian at gmail.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to turnbull at net1.ie From billincolo73 at gmail.com Wed Aug 15 17:11:57 2018 From: billincolo73 at gmail.com (Bill Leonard N0CU) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2018 14:11:57 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] For sale: K3S/10 and P3 Message-ID: <1534367517043-0.post@n2.nabble.com> K3S/10-K S/N 10726 Purchased: 27 Mar 2016 KANT3 KTCXO3-1 (0.5 ppm) KFL3A-2.8 (2.8 KHz) KFL3A-6K-IR (6 KHz) KBPF3A K3S/P3 book by Fred Cady $1775 P3 S/N 4197 P3SVGA $650 Both for $2325 Prices include shipping, all manuals, & cables Bill N0CU -- Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ From doug at kj0f.com Wed Aug 15 17:54:40 2018 From: doug at kj0f.com (Doug Person) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2018 15:54:40 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: You do realize that Japan is a serious economic and military ally... and has been since the end of WWII. You're saying you won't buy them because - You Know - they're Japanese... KJ0F On 8/15/2018 4:09 AM, John Harden, D.M.D. wrote: > I purchased my K3 in 2011 when I took a lightening strike to my Orion > I. After using it for 7 years I have really grown to like it. One > great feature is the ability to use two separate receive antennas with > Diversity Receive... No other transceiver has this feature.. > > Plus being retired military I DO NOT purchase RICE BOX gear... Only > American.. > > 73, > > John, W4NU > > (K4JAG 1959 to 1998) > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to doug at kj0f.com > From g4gnx at g4gnx.com Wed Aug 15 17:57:40 2018 From: g4gnx at g4gnx.com (G4GNX) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2018 22:57:40 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4213EFB1A18F4318AC9071D12B0CB596@G4GNXLaptop> Oh please. Politics on THIS forum? No, no, no. 73, Alan. G4GNX -----Original Message----- From: Doug Person Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2018 10:54 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 You do realize that Japan is a serious economic and military ally... and has been since the end of WWII. You're saying you won't buy them because - You Know - they're Japanese... KJ0F From pincon at erols.com Wed Aug 15 18:18:01 2018 From: pincon at erols.com (Charlie T) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2018 18:18:01 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] DX World Transceiver survey In-Reply-To: <692DDC07-EDCD-40AF-9D4D-D599DFC35F51@mac.com> References: <000c01d434b2$0e436d70$2aca4850$@net> <692DDC07-EDCD-40AF-9D4D-D599DFC35F51@mac.com> Message-ID: <004e01d434e5$d7aa89e0$86ff9da0$@erols.com> Total waste of time.......on about the same level as American Idol phone vote tabulations. 73, Charlie k3ICH -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of Phil Hystad via Elecraft Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2018 1:09 PM To: Bob McGraw K4TAX Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] DX World Transceiver survey Surveys that collect information from the users of the service or product don?t usually publish volume or number of units sold. They will publish information on numbers of persons surveyed or break down numbers per product type. It is a totally different type of ?survey? that reports on product comparisons including units sold and so forth. That kind of survey is what you would expect from a Consumer Reports product review, not a survey of users. Usually, a survey that requests you to pick from a selection of products is no different then a high school popularity contest. And, most surveys are like this. Including those political polling surveys. But, there are serious surveys too. I once did a survey for Consumer Reports on a new car purchase. It took me 30 minutes to finish. I think it had on the order of 100+ questions. It was years ago and not even an on-line survey. I can?t remember how many pages were involved but it was enough to result in an extra heavy return envelope though postage was prepared. I had to mark a whole lot of little check boxes and so on with a black pen. 73, phil, K7PEH > On Aug 15, 2018, at 9:11 AM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote: > > And it does not consider the volume or number of units sold either. Rather poor constructed survey, in my opinion. More like a high school popularity contest. > > 73 > > Bob, K4TAX > > > On 8/15/2018 11:07 AM, Peter W2IRT wrote: >> Up to 2nd place now, but not a good representative sample. 100 votes >> for Icom, >> 82 for Elecraft, 69 for Yaesu, 53 for Kenwood as of the time of this writing. >> >> - pjd >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net >> [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] >> On Behalf Of Peter Pauly >> Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2018 11:49 AM >> To: Elecraft Reflector >> Subject: [Elecraft] DX World Transceiver survey >> >> Elecraft is currently in 4th place. You know what to do... >> >> https://dx-world.net/worldwide-transceiver-survey/ >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this >> email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to >> lists at w2irt.net >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this >> email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to >> rmcgraw at blomand.net >> > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > phystad at mac.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to pincon at erols.com From kstover at ac0h.net Wed Aug 15 18:18:14 2018 From: kstover at ac0h.net (kstover at ac0h.net) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2018 17:18:14 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] DX World Transceiver survey In-Reply-To: <646132A1E6EA4DE2852796819AF3ABE8@DougTPC> References: <4b76857f-360f-a00a-50ff-477b26ed3301@gmail.com> <646132A1E6EA4DE2852796819AF3ABE8@DougTPC> Message-ID: <000601d434e5$de95ee70$9bc1cb50$@ac0h.net> It doesn't really mean anything. Nobody has ever heard of the website before today and they've got to be giggling about the surge it website hits. Now if this had been done on a high traffic site like QRZ.com and none of the manufacturers in the survey were "major" contributors to the website I might pay attention. I'll be willing to bet a huge can of worms that if Elecraft hangs on for the win the survey will be buried in the bowels of the internet never to see the light of day. If Icom pulls off a "miraculous" comeback the survey will be much ballyhooed and quoted as gospel. Maybe making the hallowed pages of QST. Call me syndical. R. Kevin Stover AC0H ARRL, FISTS, SKCC, NAQCC. "If it doesn't work the first time you push the button it won't work the 20th.Just stop." -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of Doug Turnbull Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2018 4:02 PM To: 'Ian Kahn, KM4IK' ; elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] DX World Transceiver survey Dear OMs, It is a bit like surveys the BBC occasionally runs. If there is an Irish element to it then the whole of Ireland gangs up and skews it to praise an Irishman, song, poem or what have you. 73 Doug EI2CN -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Ian Kahn, KM4IK Sent: 15 August 2018 20:48 To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] DX World Transceiver survey Elecraft is now in first place, by about 70 votes over Icom! Great job Elecrafters! 73 de, Ian, KM4IK K3 #281, P3 #681 On 08/15/2018 11:49 AM, Peter Pauly wrote: > Elecraft is currently in 4th place. You know what to do... > > https://dx-world.net/worldwide-transceiver-survey/ > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > km4ik.ian at gmail.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to turnbull at net1.ie ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to kstover at ac0h.net From eric at elecraft.com Wed Aug 15 18:22:27 2018 From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2018 15:22:27 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] DX World Transceiver survey In-Reply-To: <000601d434e5$de95ee70$9bc1cb50$@ac0h.net> References: <4b76857f-360f-a00a-50ff-477b26ed3301@gmail.com> <646132A1E6EA4DE2852796819AF3ABE8@DougTPC> <000601d434e5$de95ee70$9bc1cb50$@ac0h.net> Message-ID: <82356612-15c2-31af-a711-5a524d950afe@elecraft.com> Folks - Lets end this thread now as its a bit OT and is way past the OT posting number limit. 73, Eric Modulator /elecraft.com/ From gkidder at ilstu.edu Wed Aug 15 18:37:28 2018 From: gkidder at ilstu.edu (GWK) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2018 18:37:28 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] [KPA1500] Auto start KPA1500-Remote in host mode ? In-Reply-To: <613549dd-cb2d-4127-6aa3-154ac86d408b@gmail.com> References: <613549dd-cb2d-4127-6aa3-154ac86d408b@gmail.com> Message-ID: Can you shut off the Win 10 automatic update? You could on older Windows versions. George, W3HBM On 8/15/2018 2:43 PM, Warren Merkel wrote: > I'm looking to get the KPA1500-Remote utility to survive these darn > Windows 10 forced reboots after Windows Update.?? I can get the KPA1500 > Remote utility to auto-start FB after a reboot. > > However, it doesn't remember it was in "Host Remote" mode and just comes > up waiting for mouse clicks that will never come -- since it's on an > unattended PC running RCForb.? I'm using it in "Ethernet" mode, though > the KPA1500's USB cable is also connected to the same PC for RCForb. > > There doesn't seem to be any command line options yet, or at least > nothing is documented or listed from a /h, /help, or /? command line > parameter. > > Am I missing something in the setup dialogs? > > Other observations: > > When the "Start Hosting Remote" command button is clicked, I get the > warning dialog: "IP Address Appears not to be a Local IP or Invalid IP..." > > My IP addresses are sane as both the PC and the KPA1500? have valid > addresses in the 192.168.x.x address space.? Could this warning dialog > be getting in the way of the auto-start of Hosting Remote mode. > > The process name shows up in task list as "KPA500-Remote", though I know > it's really the KPA1500 version of the app. > > Constructive suggestions welcomed. > > KPA1500 Remote version 1.0.14.0 > > Warren Merkel, KD4Z > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to gkidder at ilstu.edu From w0agmike at gmail.com Wed Aug 15 18:45:05 2018 From: w0agmike at gmail.com (Mike Murray) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2018 17:45:05 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] [KPA1500] Auto start KPA1500-Remote in host mode ? In-Reply-To: References: <613549dd-cb2d-4127-6aa3-154ac86d408b@gmail.com> Message-ID: Only if you have the pro version. Microsoft is trying to protect us amateurs ;-) Mike - W0AG On Wed, Aug 15, 2018 at 5:41 PM GWK wrote: > Can you shut off the Win 10 automatic update? You could on older > Windows versions. > > > From edauer at law.du.edu Wed Aug 15 19:24:43 2018 From: edauer at law.du.edu (Dauer, Edward) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2018 23:24:43 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] DX World Transceiver Survey Message-ID: It may be proof that foreign agents can hack and manipulate any American voting process. Should DOJ be brought in? Ted, KN1CBR ------------------------------ Message: 19 Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2018 13:53:36 -0400 From: "Peter W2IRT" To: "'Elecraft Reflector'" Subject: Re: [Elecraft] DX World Transceiver survey Message-ID: <001801d434c0$e4898550$ad9c8ff0$@net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" The very nature of this survey is heavily skewed. DX World is not a website than Barry Baofeng, Nathan Netminder or Hammy Hambone are ever going to visit. - pjd From scott.manthe at gmail.com Wed Aug 15 20:18:49 2018 From: scott.manthe at gmail.com (Scott Manthe) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2018 20:18:49 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9a37caee-3a2f-470c-98ce-4ebe85280629@gmail.com> Thank you, Doug! The fact that a retired colonel in the U.S. military made that comment is offensive. 73, Scott N9AA On 8/15/18 5:54 PM, Doug Person wrote: > You do realize that Japan is a serious economic and military ally... > and has been since the end of WWII. You're saying you won't buy them > because - You Know - they're Japanese... > > KJ0F > > > On 8/15/2018 4:09 AM, John Harden, D.M.D. wrote: >> I purchased my K3 in 2011 when I took a lightening strike to my Orion >> I. After using it for 7 years I have really grown to like it. One >> great feature is the ability to use two separate receive antennas >> with Diversity Receive... No other transceiver has this feature.. >> >> Plus being retired military I DO NOT purchase RICE BOX gear... Only >> American.. >> >> 73, >> >> John, W4NU >> >> (K4JAG 1959 to 1998) From ny9h at arrl.net Wed Aug 15 20:33:14 2018 From: ny9h at arrl.net (bill steffey) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2018 20:33:14 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Firmware update fails.... ME TOO In-Reply-To: References: <000c01d43397$387afed0$a970fc70$@netvision.net.il> <20180815001920.66925149B178@mailman.qth.net> Message-ID: I had changed the location of the downloaded files... to other than default... and once I changed the location back to default the utility was very happy. Got it all done...thanks bill At 10:21 AM 8/15/2018, Don Wilhelm wrote: >Bill, > >The firmware update is a 2 step process. The >first is to download the firmware files to your >computer (check for new files at Elecraft), and >the 2nd is to load those files from your >computer to the P3/K3/etc and requires you to >click on Send Files to P3/K3/etc". > > From those messages, you are apparently failing > on the first step. Try again and if it continues, contact your ISP. > >73, >Don W3FPR > >On 8/14/2018 8:17 PM, bill steffey wrote: >>using p3 utility 1.16.3.15...... >> ? ? have MCU? 1.59? ? svga 1.33 >>and >>when I check available I get? ? 1.54? & 1.25 //// >>""" >>P3 MCU revision 01.59. RS-232 speed 38400 bit/s. >>20:15:43 Opening connection to ftp.elecraft.com >>20:15:43 Copying files to C:\Program Files (x86)\Elecraft\P3 Utility >>20:15:43 FtpGetFile completed with error 0x00000005: Access is denied >>what am I doing wrong ???? >>At 02:22 AM 8/14/2018, TL_Netvision wrote: >>>Hi all >>> >>>I am trying to upgrade a P3 MCU 1.29 to 1.54 and\or 1.60? (No SVGA option >>>installed). >>> >>>When I hit "send checked items to P3"? the relays click every 2 seconds and >>>I see 2 messages repeat forever: >>>1.? "Attempting to connect P3 on port COM1 at 38400 bit/s" in the P3's >>>utility window, >>>2.? "Checking for SVGA" on the P3's screen. >>> >>>No uploading is performed & I can terminate the loop only with the >>>"cancel" >>>button. >>> >>>Environment: >>>-P3 utility ver 1.16.3.1 >>>-P3 is connected only to PS (13.8v external)? & PC (Genuine full RS-232 >>>cable). >>>-All files are present in the "P3 firmware" folder (Windows 10 1803 build >>>17134). >>> >>>Any ideas please? >>> >>>Thanks in advance, >>>Isaac, 4Z1TL >>> >>> >>>--- >>>This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >>>https://www.avast.com/antivirus >>> >>>______________________________________________________________ >>>Elecraft mailing list >>>Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>>Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>>Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>>This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>>Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>>Message delivered to ny9h at arrl.net >>______________________________________________________________ >>Elecraft mailing list >>Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>Message delivered to donwilh at embarqmail.com From billincolo73 at gmail.com Wed Aug 15 20:44:38 2018 From: billincolo73 at gmail.com (Bill Leonard N0CU) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2018 17:44:38 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] For sale: K3S/10 and P3 Message-ID: <1534380278650-0.post@n2.nabble.com> *Both items have been sold!* Bill N0CU -- Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ From w9ac at arrl.net Wed Aug 15 21:06:35 2018 From: w9ac at arrl.net (Paul Christensen) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2018 19:06:35 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] [KPA1500] Auto start KPA1500-Remote in host mode ? Message-ID: <000b01d434fd$63eb6b10$2bc24130$@arrl.net> Loaded the KPA1500 remote software this evening. Some observations: 1) Cannot run local *and* remote server host simultaneously when using USB connectivity. I am hoping this limitation can be overcome when I add an Ethernet cable at the remote site in addition to USB connectivity. Reason? One remote user wants to control the KPA1500 via TeamViewer through the local connect while I want to run the amp using the remote utility as a client on my mobile PC desktop; 2) Switching between local and host server modes is sluggish. It takes time for Windows to release the USB COM port when changing between the two modes. In one instance, I had to disable the COM port in Windows' device manager, then re-enable. Despite these issues, I wish to thank the Elecraft team for their work on the program. Paul, W9AC From thegoeckel at gmail.com Wed Aug 15 21:10:38 2018 From: thegoeckel at gmail.com (Fred) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2018 21:10:38 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 VFO B following VFO A Message-ID: Hi, Somehow my K3 on 20 meters when I turn VFO A, VFO B follows. I have looked up what to do and from what I have read, if I hold the "SUB" button (between the 2 VFO knobs) it is suppost to turn it off but it isn't. In VFO B, the decimal is slowly flashing so I know I have them linked. I have no idea how I did it and how to stop it. -- Thanks, Fred From lists at subich.com Wed Aug 15 21:23:54 2018 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2018 21:23:54 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 VFO B following VFO A In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1686c93f-9076-85c7-aea3-ef6b0ff1e735@subich.com> CONFIG:VFO LNK = OFF 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 2018-08-15 9:10 PM, Fred wrote: > Hi, > > Somehow my K3 on 20 meters when I turn VFO A, VFO B follows. I have looked > up what to do and from what I have read, if I hold the "SUB" button > (between the 2 VFO knobs) it is suppost to turn it off but it isn't. In > VFO B, the decimal is slowly flashing so I know I have them linked. I > have no idea how I did it and how to stop it. > From marvwheeler at nwlink.com Wed Aug 15 22:07:40 2018 From: marvwheeler at nwlink.com (marvwheeler at nwlink.com) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2018 19:07:40 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 In-Reply-To: <9a37caee-3a2f-470c-98ce-4ebe85280629@gmail.com> References: <9a37caee-3a2f-470c-98ce-4ebe85280629@gmail.com> Message-ID: <000001d43505$e9e9f6c0$bdbde440$@nwlink.com> Scott: Are you saying a retired colonel in the U.S. military does not have the right to express his feelings? Or, are you saying that if someone does not agree you with you find them offensive? Either way is narrow minded. I find not allowing people to have and express an opinion different than mine to be refreshing and a door opener to interesting conversations, retired colonels included. 73 Marv KG7V -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of Scott Manthe Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2018 5:19 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Thank you, Doug! The fact that a retired colonel in the U.S. military made that comment is offensive. 73, Scott N9AA On 8/15/18 5:54 PM, Doug Person wrote: > You do realize that Japan is a serious economic and military ally... > and has been since the end of WWII. You're saying you won't buy them > because - You Know - they're Japanese... > > KJ0F > > > On 8/15/2018 4:09 AM, John Harden, D.M.D. wrote: >> I purchased my K3 in 2011 when I took a lightening strike to my Orion >> I. After using it for 7 years I have really grown to like it. One >> great feature is the ability to use two separate receive antennas >> with Diversity Receive... No other transceiver has this feature.. >> >> Plus being retired military I DO NOT purchase RICE BOX gear... Only >> American.. >> >> 73, >> >> John, W4NU >> >> (K4JAG 1959 to 1998) ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to marvwheeler at nwlink.com From nr4c at widomaker.com Wed Aug 15 22:13:05 2018 From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2018 22:13:05 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 No power out In-Reply-To: References: <298474956.8182250.1534307357476.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <298474956.8182250.1534307357476@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4DFF34CF-F7CB-421D-9861-6E7526B9DF0E@widomaker.com> ?Test? mode wouldn?t survive a power cycle I don?t believe. Sent from my iPhone ...nr4c. bill > On Aug 15, 2018, at 7:25 AM, David Bunte wrote: > > Don - > > If this was suggested before, I missed it and apologize for the redundancy. > Has the rig inadvertently been put into the test mode? If the TX indicator > under the VFO A box is blinking, that would explain the symptoms. > > Dave - K9FN > > On Wed, Aug 15, 2018 at 12:30 AM Don Roberts via Elecraft < > elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote: > >> Yes I can set it at 35 watts which is what I usually use to drive the KPA >> 500, and speak in the mic for ssb and get no power out. In cw at the same >> 35 watts, when I send code either straight key or padfle. 0 watts out. Same >> results if I attempt to run bearfoot at 100 watts or 5 watts, I get no >> power out. Receive is working fine, the P3 is working normal, and the KPA >> 500 and KAT 500 track bands as I change them. >> I will try again tomorrow after a night of sleep. If still no go, will >> phone home to Elecraft >> Don, W4CBS >> >> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to dpbunte at gmail.com >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to nr4c at widomaker.com From charles at k5ua.com Wed Aug 15 22:40:19 2018 From: charles at k5ua.com (charles at k5ua.com) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2018 21:40:19 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Efficiency Message-ID: Just curious what other users of the KPA-1500 see as the efficiency reported by the KPA-1500 utility app. The following efficiencies are being report by my KPA-1500 utility app by band into a dummy load running 40 watts input and 1500 watts output: 80M CW: 61% 80M SSB: 64% 40M CW: 54% 40M SSB: 59% 20M CW: 52% 20M SSB: 52% 17M CW: 55% 15M CW: 64% 15M SSB: 62% 12M CW: 68% 10M CW: 56% 10M SSB: 58% Does this compare favorably with other KPA-1500 owners? Charles K5UA From ab2e at hotmail.com Wed Aug 15 22:50:55 2018 From: ab2e at hotmail.com (AB2E Darrell) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2018 02:50:55 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Efficiency In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Just wondering, how much power will the KPA-1500 put into a dummy load? 73 Darrell AB2E ________________________________ From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net on behalf of charles at k5ua.com Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2018 10:40 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Efficiency Just curious what other users of the KPA-1500 see as the efficiency reported by the KPA-1500 utility app. The following efficiencies are being report by my KPA-1500 utility app by band into a dummy load running 40 watts input and 1500 watts output: 80M CW: 61% 80M SSB: 64% 40M CW: 54% 40M SSB: 59% 20M CW: 52% 20M SSB: 52% 17M CW: 55% 15M CW: 64% 15M SSB: 62% 12M CW: 68% 10M CW: 56% 10M SSB: 58% Does this compare favorably with other KPA-1500 owners? Charles K5UA ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ab2e at hotmail.com From kevinr at coho.net Wed Aug 15 22:58:07 2018 From: kevinr at coho.net (kevinr) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2018 19:58:07 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Rights Message-ID: <7edf0c35-1545-34b1-475b-1733d58af903@coho.net> My rights come directly from God. The Constitution of the United States delineates which rights I have given up to be governed. Any person serving in the United States military service makes an oath, not to the President, but to the Constitution of the United States of America. I do not have to agree with anything a person says but I do acknowledge they have every right to say it. Many people have fought and died for this right to be maintained. That is why we live here and enjoy the freedoms we have gained. ?? Respectfully, ?????? Kevin. KD5ONS From ch at murgatroid.com Wed Aug 15 23:17:17 2018 From: ch at murgatroid.com (Christopher Hoover) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2018 20:17:17 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Noise Cancelling Microphones (was Re: Noise cancelling headphones) In-Reply-To: <497c7f6d-58c3-0781-49a0-d21c233b1c7c@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <497c7f6d-58c3-0781-49a0-d21c233b1c7c@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: Automatic noise cancelling microphone *systems* for consumer devices typically involve 3 carefully placed DMIC's (digital microphones) and a lot of DSP. 73 de AI6KG On Sun, Aug 5, 2018 at 2:09 PM, Jim Brown wrote: > On 8/5/2018 10:48 AM, ANDY DURBIN wrote: > >> Many/most aviation headsets use noise cancelling microphones but they are >> not active. They simply sample most of the voice signal on the mouth side >> of the element and most of the noise on both sides of the element. >> Effective noise cancellation requires the microphone to be close to the >> lips. >> > > Not quite -- it's the cancellation of the output of two closely spaced mic > capsules, and as you describe operation, it depends on the mic being right > at the lips. This is the proper definition of a noise cancelling > microphone. Noise cancelling microphones tend to sound varying degrees of > awful. Many years ago, Shure, one of the better mic mfrs, tried to build a > noise cancelling mic aimed at drummers. I tested a prototype in a high > quality recording setup, and it sounded pretty bad. They never marketed it. > > Note that this definition is VERY different from a cardioid microphone, > where a single capsule as two openings, one from the front and one from the > rear, and the two types behave VERY differently. Cardioid mics have a > property called "proximity effect" which boosts bass response when the mic > is very close to the sound source, making it sound rather muddy. When mics > like this are used for singers and speech, their low frequency response is > heavily rolled off. In some mics the rolloff is built in (the Shure SM57 > and SM58 are examples), in some it is built in but switchable (the Shure > SM81 is an example), while in others it is not built in, but applied in the > mixer for sound reinforecment or recording. > > I mention this because many mfrs of headset mics falsely describe their > cardioid mic as noise cancelling, which it is NOT. It IS a directional mic > that rejects sound coming from directions other than the front. > > 73, Jim K9YC > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to ch at murgatroid.com From paul at paulbaldock.com Wed Aug 15 23:18:08 2018 From: paul at paulbaldock.com (Paul Baldock) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2018 20:18:08 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Efficiency In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5b74ecf2.1c69fb81.35204.b110@mx.google.com> Are you saying it took exactly 40W input on each band to produce 1500W out.. I find the gain of the amp very different from band to band. For example on 80M mine takes 32W to produce 1500W into a dummy load, and 15M it takes 47W to produce 1500W in to a dummy load. That's a variation of 1.7dB, not very flat. Also as others have reported as the amp warms up the gain decreases a little (requires a bit more drive). - Paul KW7Y At 07:40 PM 8/15/2018, you wrote: >Just curious what other users of the KPA-1500 see as the efficiency >reported by the KPA-1500 utility app. > >The following efficiencies are being report by my KPA-1500 utility >app by band into a dummy load running 40 watts input and 1500 watts output: > >80M CW: 61% >80M SSB: 64% >40M CW: 54% >40M SSB: 59% >20M CW: 52% >20M SSB: 52% >17M CW: 55% >15M CW: 64% >15M SSB: 62% >12M CW: 68% >10M CW: 56% >10M SSB: 58% > >Does this compare favorably with other KPA-1500 owners? > >Charles K5UA >______________________________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >Message delivered to paul at paulbaldock.com From KeepWalking188 at ac0c.com Wed Aug 15 23:40:04 2018 From: KeepWalking188 at ac0c.com (Jeff Blaine) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2018 22:40:04 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Efficiency In-Reply-To: <5b74ecf2.1c69fb81.35204.b110@mx.google.com> References: <5b74ecf2.1c69fb81.35204.b110@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <1d277c4d-56de-4fea-5439-634e7f070390@ac0c.com> There's no way 40W drives exactly 1500W on all bands.? Here's what I get into a DL (no tuner).? Power measurements based on the LP100 which was calibrated by Larry last year - not what I would call a current cal but certainly better than a generic Bird.? Feed with a key-down in CW, with the data taken after about 5 seconds to get a stable reading.? Dont' take the values as gospel.? There is at least a 50w error range. 160??? ??? 1644W 80??? ??? ??? 1466W 40??? ??? ??? 1515W 20??? ??? ??? 1436W 15??? ??? 1371W 10??? ??? 1414W But it's definitely unrealistic to assume that the amp should have a uniform gain vs. frequency response.? The gain is going to be related to many things. There is a LPF hanging off the back and it's insertion loss is a factor - and it's going to drift a touch as it heats up.? Theres the front? end which likly a pad.? The overall gain is be in compliance with the FCC regulation.? Most SS amps native gain is such that a few watts is enough to get LL output levels and I'm sure that's the case with the LDMOS even if they have a ton of NFB in the design.? Plus the effects of the combiners internally which are definitely not going to be completely flat.? And there is some compression that gets to be easily measurable once you hit about the KW level.? And temp.? And who knows what else. 73/jeff/ac0c alpha-charlie-zero-charlie www.ac0c.com On 15-Aug-18 10:18 PM, Paul Baldock wrote: > Are you saying it took exactly 40W input on each band to produce 1500W > out.. > > I find the gain of the amp very different from band to band. For > example on 80M mine takes 32W to produce 1500W into a dummy load, and > 15M it takes 47W to produce 1500W in to a dummy load. That's a > variation of 1.7dB, not very flat. > > Also as others have reported as the amp warms up the gain decreases a > little (requires a bit more drive). > > - Paul KW7Y > > At 07:40 PM 8/15/2018, you wrote: >> Just curious what other users of the KPA-1500 see as the efficiency >> reported by the KPA-1500 utility app. >> >> The following efficiencies are being report by my KPA-1500 utility >> app by band into a dummy load running 40 watts input and 1500 watts >> output: >> >> 80M CW:?? 61% >> 80M SSB:? 64% >> 40M CW:?? 54% >> 40M SSB:? 59% >> 20M CW:?? 52% >> 20M SSB:? 52% >> 17M CW:?? 55% >> 15M CW:?? 64% >> 15M SSB:? 62% >> 12M CW:?? 68% >> 10M CW:?? 56% >> 10M SSB:? 58% >> >> Does this compare favorably with other KPA-1500 owners? >> >> Charles? K5UA >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to paul at paulbaldock.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to keepwalking188 at ac0c.com > From eric.csuf at gmail.com Wed Aug 15 23:54:36 2018 From: eric.csuf at gmail.com (EricJ) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2018 20:54:36 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Rights In-Reply-To: <7edf0c35-1545-34b1-475b-1733d58af903@coho.net> References: <7edf0c35-1545-34b1-475b-1733d58af903@coho.net> Message-ID: <18a7ec62-235c-5aff-8909-df03c134cf01@gmail.com> Not true. Officers pledge an oath to defend the Constitution. Enlisted also swear to obey orders from the President. I won't post again to this thread. Eric KE6US "I, (state name of enlistee), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God." I ___, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God. On 8/15/2018 7:58 PM, kevinr wrote: > My rights come directly from God. > > The Constitution of the United States delineates which rights I have > given up to be governed. > > Any person serving in the United States military service makes an > oath, not to the President, but to the Constitution of the United > States of America. > > I do not have to agree with anything a person says but I do > acknowledge they have every right to say it. > > Many people have fought and died for this right to be maintained. > > That is why we live here and enjoy the freedoms we have gained. > > ?? Respectfully, > > ?????? Kevin. KD5ONS > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to eric.csuf at gmail.com From paul at paulbaldock.com Wed Aug 15 23:59:10 2018 From: paul at paulbaldock.com (Paul Baldock) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2018 20:59:10 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 WAKE ON LAN problem Message-ID: <5b74f691.1c69fb81.c2885.3922@mx.google.com> I 'm controlling my KPA1500 over the LAN. The LAN connection is via a WIFI/ETHERNET bridge. I have WAKE ON LAN ENABLED. If the power on the KPA1500 front panel is OFF, LOCAL CONNECT will occasionally not find the KPA. This problem appears to occur after a long disconnect such as over night. Turning the power on by hand fixes the problem. Has anybody else experienced this? Everything works as it should if I use the USB interface. It appears that WAKE ON LAN does not always work. - Paul KW7Y From htodd at twofifty.com Thu Aug 16 00:27:38 2018 From: htodd at twofifty.com (Hisashi T Fujinaka) Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2018 21:27:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 WAKE ON LAN problem In-Reply-To: <5b74f691.1c69fb81.c2885.3922@mx.google.com> References: <5b74f691.1c69fb81.c2885.3922@mx.google.com> Message-ID: I've been told you need to wake the thing up with a bunch of semicolons. Also, Wake-on-LAN is a directed special packet that maybe is not going over the wire correctly? My KPA1500 is near my K3, so I've been using the K3/K3S rear panel 12V DC OUT RCA connector to the KPA1500 REM RCA connector to wake it up. On Wed, 15 Aug 2018, Paul Baldock wrote: > I 'm controlling my KPA1500 over the LAN. The LAN connection is via a > WIFI/ETHERNET bridge. I have WAKE ON LAN ENABLED. > > If the power on the KPA1500 front panel is OFF, LOCAL CONNECT will > occasionally not find the KPA. This problem appears to occur after a long > disconnect such as over night. Turning the power on by hand fixes the > problem. > > Has anybody else experienced this? > > Everything works as it should if I use the USB interface. > > It appears that WAKE ON LAN does not always work. -- Hisashi T Fujinaka - htodd at twofifty.com BSEE + BSChem + BAEnglish + MSCS + $2.50 = coffee From marklgoldberg at gmail.com Thu Aug 16 05:07:44 2018 From: marklgoldberg at gmail.com (Mark Goldberg) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2018 02:07:44 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [KPA1500] Auto start KPA1500-Remote in host mode ? Message-ID: Take a look at Autohotkey. It is a scripting language for Windows that can do things like simulate key presses and mouse clicks, and a whole bunch more. If you can write it in their scripting language and compile it to an executable, that can be run on startup. I use it to automate the interactions of multiple programs. I have an example script for checking the state of check boxes and sending mouse clicks to my Perseus SDR control panel here: https://sites.google.com/site/spectrumlabtesting/home/resetperseus-exe Maybe you can do something similar. If you can program, you can do it in their scripting language. If you mark your internet connection as a metered connection, Windows 10 will delay most updates. You can manually trigger the updates or change to unmetered to run them. I hope this helps. 73, Mark W7MLG On Wed, Aug 15, 2018, 11:44 AM Warren Merkel wrote: > I'm looking to get the KPA1500-Remote utility to survive these darn > Windows 10 forced reboots after Windows Update. I can get the KPA1500 > Remote utility to auto-start FB after a reboot. > > However, it doesn't remember it was in "Host Remote" mode and just comes > up waiting for mouse clicks that will never come -- since it's on an > unattended PC running RCForb. I'm using it in "Ethernet" mode, though > the KPA1500's USB cable is also connected to the same PC for RCForb. > > There doesn't seem to be any command line options yet, or at least > nothing is documented or listed from a /h, /help, or /? command line > parameter. > > Am I missing something in the setup dialogs? > > Other observations: > > When the "Start Hosting Remote" command button is clicked, I get the > warning dialog: "IP Address Appears not to be a Local IP or Invalid IP..." > > My IP addresses are sane as both the PC and the KPA1500 have valid > addresses in the 192.168.x.x address space. Could this warning dialog > be getting in the way of the auto-start of Hosting Remote mode. > > The process name shows up in task list as "KPA500-Remote", though I know > it's really the KPA1500 version of the app. > > Constructive suggestions welcomed. > > KPA1500 Remote version 1.0.14.0 > > Warren Merkel, KD4Z > > > From K8ZCT at ARRL.NET Thu Aug 16 06:54:13 2018 From: K8ZCT at ARRL.NET (K8ZCT) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2018 03:54:13 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Efficiency In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1534416853512-0.post@n2.nabble.com> I would think these RF input versus RF output numbers are reasonable. Everyone's setup will vary for all bands. I haven't looked at the KPA-1500 Utility in a while, but "real" efficiency of the amplifier is a different calculation. Amp efficiency is Power Input versus Power Output, and per Elecraft that is somewhere around 50% or so. If you had the equipment to measurement the power input, it would be somewhere in the 3000W range I would assume with a 1500W output. That is why the fans are required and the ventilation of the unit is critical, as there is a lot of heat being dissipated to the space as was discussed in other posts. Bill, K8ZCT -- Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ From hullspeed21 at gmail.com Thu Aug 16 08:38:28 2018 From: hullspeed21 at gmail.com (Warren Merkel) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2018 08:38:28 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] [KPA1500] Auto start KPA1500-Remote in host mode In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <485f1abd-ffd5-5f64-87a2-075181a6eabc@gmail.com> I am running "Pro" like that makes a difference. Only if the workstation is joined to an Active Directory Domain, and then through Domain Policy-- can you disable the Windows Updates on Win 10. All I can do is postpone it for an extended time. Eventually, it will take an update and reboot. Only realistic solution to stopping auto reboots is to bail out on Windows 10 and go back to Windows 7. I don't really want to block updates completely either. I'm in touch with the software dev and will certainly get the application square, without heroic measures with an autokey program. It's just a bug or unfinished functionality. Warren Merkel, KD4Z On 8/15/2018 11:54 PM, elecraft-request at mailman.qth.net wrote: > Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2018 17:45:05 -0500 > From: Mike Murray > > Only if you have the pro version. Microsoft is trying to protect us > amateurs;-) > > Mike - W0AG From eric at elecraft.com Thu Aug 16 09:07:46 2018 From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2018 06:07:46 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Rights In-Reply-To: <18a7ec62-235c-5aff-8909-df03c134cf01@gmail.com> References: <7edf0c35-1545-34b1-475b-1733d58af903@coho.net> <18a7ec62-235c-5aff-8909-df03c134cf01@gmail.com> Message-ID: Thread closed. Folks, this is clearly OT and outside of the area of permitted posting topics for the elecraft list. Please keep posts ham radio and elecraft related. Eric elecraft.com _..._ From eric at elecraft.com Thu Aug 16 09:09:45 2018 From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2018 06:09:45 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] DX World Transceiver Survey In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thread closed. Folks, this is drifting way OT. Eric elecraft.com _..._ > On Aug 15, 2018, at 4:24 PM, Dauer, Edward wrote: > > It may be proof that foreign agents can hack and manipulate any American voting process. > > Should DOJ be brought in? > > Ted, KN1CBR > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 19 > Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2018 13:53:36 -0400 > From: "Peter W2IRT" > To: "'Elecraft Reflector'" > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] DX World Transceiver survey > Message-ID: <001801d434c0$e4898550$ad9c8ff0$@net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > The very nature of this survey is heavily skewed. DX World is not a website than Barry Baofeng, Nathan Netminder or Hammy Hambone are ever going to visit. > > - pjd > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to eric.swartz at elecraft.com From Gary at ka1j.com Thu Aug 16 09:12:47 2018 From: Gary at ka1j.com (Gary Smith) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2018 09:12:47 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] DX World Transceiver survey In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5B75784F.22127.15FEA7E0@Gary.ka1j.com> Elecraft is now at 32%. I voted but non scientific studies are mostly for fun and not a representative answer with validity. 73, Gary KA1J K3 #202 & fully updated to K3s specs. K3s #10622 & fully updated. > Elecraft is currently in 4th place. You know what to do... > > https://dx-world.net/worldwide-transceiver-survey/ > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to gary at ka1j.com > From eric at elecraft.com Thu Aug 16 09:19:08 2018 From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2018 06:19:08 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 In-Reply-To: <000001d43505$e9e9f6c0$bdbde440$@nwlink.com> References: <9a37caee-3a2f-470c-98ce-4ebe85280629@gmail.com> <000001d43505$e9e9f6c0$bdbde440$@nwlink.com> Message-ID: <8611B988-E3B2-40D8-B8A5-18F9C74848AB@elecraft.com> Thread closed. Folks, please keep politics out of ALL discussions on this reflector. This is an area clearly outside the reflector topic guidelines. Also please keep postings respectful regarding other countries as this is a forum with wide international membership. Our customer base is widely distributed across the world. 73, Eric elecraft.com _..._ > On Aug 15, 2018, at 7:07 PM, wrote: > > Scott: > > Are you saying a retired colonel in the U.S. military does not have the > right to express his feelings? Or, are you saying that if someone does not > agree you with you find them offensive? Either way is narrow minded. > > I find not allowing people to have and express an opinion different than > mine to be refreshing and a door opener to interesting conversations, > retired colonels included. > > 73 > Marv > KG7V > > -----Original Message----- > From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net On > Behalf Of Scott Manthe > Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2018 5:19 PM > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 > > Thank you, Doug! The fact that a retired colonel in the U.S. military made > that comment is offensive. > > 73, > Scott N9AA > > >> On 8/15/18 5:54 PM, Doug Person wrote: >> You do realize that Japan is a serious economic and military ally... >> and has been since the end of WWII. You're saying you won't buy them >> because - You Know - they're Japanese... >> >> KJ0F >> >> >>> On 8/15/2018 4:09 AM, John Harden, D.M.D. wrote: >>> I purchased my K3 in 2011 when I took a lightening strike to my Orion >>> I. After using it for 7 years I have really grown to like it. One >>> great feature is the ability to use two separate receive antennas >>> with Diversity Receive... No other transceiver has this feature.. >>> >>> Plus being retired military I DO NOT purchase RICE BOX gear... Only >>> American.. >>> >>> 73, >>> >>> John, W4NU >>> >>> (K4JAG 1959 to 1998) > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message > delivered to marvwheeler at nwlink.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to eric.swartz at elecraft.com From dick.w7zr at gmail.com Thu Aug 16 13:10:11 2018 From: dick.w7zr at gmail.com (Richard Zalewski) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2018 10:10:11 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 changes modes Message-ID: I have been experiencing an intermittent problem with the KPA-1500, TS-990. When running WSJT-X (USB) occasionally the 990 goes to AM-D1 mode. No reason I can see for it to do that. It does this in RECEIVE. Just to be sure however I put lots of ferrite on all leads involved.. Richard *W7ZR* ex:5C5Z, CN2ZR, K2JSP, W6SBZ, W7KXR, K9ZIJ, W9KNF, W0KDF, W0MQU, J68ZR, KC6ZR, PJ4/W7ZR, KH2,W7ZR, KH6/W7ZR, V31ZR, VK4AAZ, XE2DV *Be joyful in hope, patient in affliction, faithful in prayer* From tomb18 at videotron.ca Thu Aug 16 13:20:23 2018 From: tomb18 at videotron.ca (Tom) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2018 13:20:23 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 changes modes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <482CEB9E022B4205984365CE46FEC96A@DESKTOPAV61F2H> HI, My experience is that you should use OmniRig as the control in WSJT-X. Do not use HamLib. 73 -----Original Message----- From: Richard Zalewski Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2018 1:10 PM To: Elecraft Reflector Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 changes modes I have been experiencing an intermittent problem with the KPA-1500, TS-990. When running WSJT-X (USB) occasionally the 990 goes to AM-D1 mode. No reason I can see for it to do that. It does this in RECEIVE. Just to be sure however I put lots of ferrite on all leads involved.. Richard *W7ZR* ex:5C5Z, CN2ZR, K2JSP, W6SBZ, W7KXR, K9ZIJ, W9KNF, W0KDF, W0MQU, J68ZR, KC6ZR, PJ4/W7ZR, KH2,W7ZR, KH6/W7ZR, V31ZR, VK4AAZ, XE2DV *Be joyful in hope, patient in affliction, faithful in prayer* ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to tomb18 at videotron.ca --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From lists at subich.com Thu Aug 16 15:56:37 2018 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2018 15:56:37 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 changes modes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9fbf7281-862b-ca25-5bf2-6631c23d5e71@subich.com> Sounds like an issue with the WSJT-X (Hamlib) software not the KPA-1500. I suggest you take the matter up with the developers or WSJT-X and hamlib 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 2018-08-16 1:10 PM, Richard Zalewski wrote: > I have been experiencing an intermittent problem with the KPA-1500, > TS-990. When running WSJT-X (USB) occasionally the 990 goes to AM-D1 > mode. No reason I can see for it to do that. It does this in RECEIVE. > Just to be sure however I put lots of ferrite on all leads involved.. > > Richard > *W7ZR* ex:5C5Z, CN2ZR, K2JSP, W6SBZ, W7KXR, K9ZIJ, W9KNF, W0KDF, W0MQU, > J68ZR, KC6ZR, PJ4/W7ZR, KH2,W7ZR, KH6/W7ZR, V31ZR, VK4AAZ, XE2DV > > From charles at k5ua.com Fri Aug 17 01:17:49 2018 From: charles at k5ua.com (charles at k5ua.com) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2018 00:17:49 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Efficiency As A Function of Input Power Message-ID: <7e1b6af74baa7c0b40943a2a3ac92e8c@k5ua.com> Thanks for the replies. Upon further testing, I have found that the efficiency of the KPA-1500 is varies greatly with driving power. The following table illustrates the relationships between exciter power, voltage, current, power-in(voltage x amps), power-out, efficiency, and dissipated power. The following test was made with the KPA-1500 into a dummy load and readings from the KPA-1500 utility software. (Exciter)(Amps) (Voltage) (Power-In) (Power-Out) (Efficiency Pout/Pin) (Dissipated Pwr) 10w 29a 52.7v 1528w 375W 375/1528 = 24.5% 1205w 15w 37a 52.7v 1950w 620w 620/1950 = 31.7% 1335w 20w 43a 52.6v 2262w 861w 861/2262 = 38.0% 1413w 25w 47a 52.6v 2472w 1060w 1060/2472 = 42.8% 1451w 30w 51a 52.6v 2682w 1227w 1227/2682 = 45.7% 1420w 35w 53a 52.5v 2782w 1380w 1380/2782 = 49.5% 1412w 40w 55a 52.5v 2887w 1497w 1497/2887 = 51.9% 1382w 45w 56a 52.5v 2940w 1600w 1600/2940 = 54.4% 1313w 50w 57a 52.5v 2992w 1703w 1703/2992 = 56.9% 1315w 53w 59a 52.5v 3097w 1825w 1825/3097 = 58.9% 1306w The remarkable thing is that DISSIPATED POWER appears to be relatively constant from 375w output through 1825w output. This implies the KPA-1500 will need to dissipate nearly the same amount of heat at low power output as at high power output, if I am interpreting the data correctly. I would like to know from Elecraft if this is normal behavior. Charles K5UA From nr4c at widomaker.com Fri Aug 17 06:34:09 2018 From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2018 06:34:09 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Efficiency As A Function of Input Power In-Reply-To: <7e1b6af74baa7c0b40943a2a3ac92e8c@k5ua.com> References: <7e1b6af74baa7c0b40943a2a3ac92e8c@k5ua.com> Message-ID: There was a similar post about the KPA500 in the last year or so. Elecraft responded that the amp was designed for 500 Watts running less was less efficient and running amp at low power was doing it no favors. With the KPA500, so many wanted 1500 W so now you have it, you want to run less? Sent from my iPhone ...nr4c. bill > On Aug 17, 2018, at 1:17 AM, charles at k5ua.com wrote: > > Thanks for the replies. > > Upon further testing, I have found that the efficiency of the KPA-1500 is varies greatly with driving power. The following table illustrates the relationships between exciter power, voltage, current, power-in(voltage x amps), power-out, efficiency, and dissipated power. The following test was made with the KPA-1500 into a dummy load and readings from the KPA-1500 utility software. > > (Exciter)(Amps) (Voltage) (Power-In) (Power-Out) (Efficiency Pout/Pin) (Dissipated Pwr) > 10w 29a 52.7v 1528w 375W 375/1528 = 24.5% 1205w > 15w 37a 52.7v 1950w 620w 620/1950 = 31.7% 1335w > 20w 43a 52.6v 2262w 861w 861/2262 = 38.0% 1413w > 25w 47a 52.6v 2472w 1060w 1060/2472 = 42.8% 1451w > 30w 51a 52.6v 2682w 1227w 1227/2682 = 45.7% 1420w > 35w 53a 52.5v 2782w 1380w 1380/2782 = 49.5% 1412w > 40w 55a 52.5v 2887w 1497w 1497/2887 = 51.9% 1382w > 45w 56a 52.5v 2940w 1600w 1600/2940 = 54.4% 1313w > 50w 57a 52.5v 2992w 1703w 1703/2992 = 56.9% 1315w > 53w 59a 52.5v 3097w 1825w 1825/3097 = 58.9% 1306w > > The remarkable thing is that DISSIPATED POWER appears to be relatively constant from 375w output through 1825w output. This implies the KPA-1500 will need to dissipate nearly the same amount of heat at low power output as at high power output, if I am interpreting the data correctly. I would like to know from Elecraft if this is normal behavior. > > Charles K5UA > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to nr4c at widomaker.com From k6xk at ncn.net Fri Aug 17 07:56:03 2018 From: k6xk at ncn.net (Roy Koeppe) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2018 06:56:03 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Efficiency As A Function of Input Power In-Reply-To: References: <7e1b6af74baa7c0b40943a2a3ac92e8c@k5ua.com> Message-ID: <3F80837B9EF54BA39D01A77E56138F51@ROYKOEPPEHP> " Upon further testing, I have found that the efficiency of the KPA-1500 is varies greatly with driving power." That's the reason SPE amps have a power range selection choice setting. (Me thinks) 73, Roy K6XK From pincon at erols.com Fri Aug 17 08:09:44 2018 From: pincon at erols.com (Charlie T) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2018 08:09:44 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Efficiency As A Function of Input Power In-Reply-To: <7e1b6af74baa7c0b40943a2a3ac92e8c@k5ua.com> References: <7e1b6af74baa7c0b40943a2a3ac92e8c@k5ua.com> Message-ID: <001a01d43623$3326e7d0$9974b770$@erols.com> It's normal. Even at zero output, (keyed ON but with no drive power) the idling current required to obtain linear class amplification will cause significant power dissipation in the final, regardless if its solid or hollow state. 73, Charlie k3ICH -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of charles at k5ua.com Sent: Friday, August 17, 2018 1:18 AM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Efficiency As A Function of Input Power Thanks for the replies. Upon further testing, I have found that the efficiency of the KPA-1500 is varies greatly with driving power. The following table illustrates the relationships between exciter power, voltage, current, power-in(voltage x amps), power-out, efficiency, and dissipated power. The following test was made with the KPA-1500 into a dummy load and readings from the KPA-1500 utility software. (Exciter)(Amps) (Voltage) (Power-In) (Power-Out) (Efficiency Pout/Pin) (Dissipated Pwr) 10w 29a 52.7v 1528w 375W 375/1528 = 24.5% 1205w 15w 37a 52.7v 1950w 620w 620/1950 = 31.7% 1335w 20w 43a 52.6v 2262w 861w 861/2262 = 38.0% 1413w 25w 47a 52.6v 2472w 1060w 1060/2472 = 42.8% 1451w 30w 51a 52.6v 2682w 1227w 1227/2682 = 45.7% 1420w 35w 53a 52.5v 2782w 1380w 1380/2782 = 49.5% 1412w 40w 55a 52.5v 2887w 1497w 1497/2887 = 51.9% 1382w 45w 56a 52.5v 2940w 1600w 1600/2940 = 54.4% 1313w 50w 57a 52.5v 2992w 1703w 1703/2992 = 56.9% 1315w 53w 59a 52.5v 3097w 1825w 1825/3097 = 58.9% 1306w The remarkable thing is that DISSIPATED POWER appears to be relatively constant from 375w output through 1825w output. This implies the KPA-1500 will need to dissipate nearly the same amount of heat at low power output as at high power output, if I am interpreting the data correctly. I would like to know from Elecraft if this is normal behavior. Charles K5UA ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to pincon at erols.com From K8ZCT at ARRL.NET Fri Aug 17 08:27:08 2018 From: K8ZCT at ARRL.NET (K8ZCT) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2018 05:27:08 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Efficiency As A Function of Input Power In-Reply-To: <7e1b6af74baa7c0b40943a2a3ac92e8c@k5ua.com> References: <7e1b6af74baa7c0b40943a2a3ac92e8c@k5ua.com> Message-ID: <1534508828609-0.post@n2.nabble.com> I believe most every electrical device and piece of equipment will have some type efficiency curve for power in and power out. A motor sitting at idle is using power, but doing almost no real work. However, at no load it is still using watts. Typically a motor has the best efficiency at around 75% load or so. I am sure an amplifier or any electronic device is similar to a motor or transformer. There are always "no load losses", that you need to have regardless of the load on the device or output of the device. Also, I am not sure you are looking at the entire picture with your numbers. I see that you are multiplying the DC amperes x DC volts. In reality, the power supply has to make that DC power, and it also has some electrical power loss. You should really use a power meter on the 240V feed from your panel to get the exact input power required for the KPA-1500. That is why Elecraft recommends a 20A feeder at nominal 240V input. The range of the power supply is 195V to 250V. At maximum power output of the amp there will be less amperes used at 250V than 195V but it will require the same input power. There is a maximum power dissipation hard fault @ 2050 watts. So, that would say if you are dissipating 2050 watts, and putting out 1500 watts RF, that would require 3550 watts of input power. At 240V that is about 15 amps and at 195V that is over 18 amps. You don't want to run it that high or at that efficiency. You need to make some changes in your setup to keep below that level. The calculations are even worse for the "efficiency" using the power used on the 240V side, but that is what you are really paying for in your monthly electric bill. What you did probably is close enough for discussion and Elecraft metering reflects those numbers, but it is worth noting there are many factors that enter into an "efficiency" calculation. Loading the amp into a dummy load gives you one set of data. However, the better your antenna matches at each frequency without needing the tuner, the less heat the tuner will create doing it's job to match to 50 ohms, so the amp can put out maximum power. Of course, if your antenna has a high SWR, because of it's electrical design, you are just making heat somewhere, and not putting your power used to good RF output production for getting your station heard on the airwaves. Bill, K8ZCT -- Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ From john at kk9a.com Fri Aug 17 08:57:17 2018 From: john at kk9a.com (john at kk9a.com) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2018 08:57:17 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Efficiency As A Function of Input Power Message-ID: <95225d8d31cec707e480cdcd06258167.squirrel@www11.qth.com> Interesting data, Charles. I assumed that running the KPA1500 (or KPA500) at lower power would keep the fan from running as much. I knew that efficiency changed with output power but I did not expect that it was this significant. If your data is correct there is 1000++ watts of heat to dissipate no matter what power level you use. John KK9A From: charles k5ua Date: Fri Aug 17 01:17:49 EDT 2018 Upon further testing, I have found that the efficiency of the KPA-1500 is varies greatly with driving power. The following table illustrates the relationships between exciter power, voltage, current, power-in(voltage x amps), power-out, efficiency, and dissipated power. The following test was made with the KPA-1500 into a dummy load and readings from the KPA-1500 utility software. (Exciter)(Amps) (Voltage) (Power-In) (Power-Out) (Efficiency Pout/Pin) (Dissipated Pwr) 10w 29a 52.7v 1528w 375W 375/1528 = 24.5% 1205w 15w 37a 52.7v 1950w 620w 620/1950 = 31.7% 1335w 20w 43a 52.6v 2262w 861w 861/2262 = 38.0% 1413w 25w 47a 52.6v 2472w 1060w 1060/2472 = 42.8% 1451w 30w 51a 52.6v 2682w 1227w 1227/2682 = 45.7% 1420w 35w 53a 52.5v 2782w 1380w 1380/2782 = 49.5% 1412w 40w 55a 52.5v 2887w 1497w 1497/2887 = 51.9% 1382w 45w 56a 52.5v 2940w 1600w 1600/2940 = 54.4% 1313w 50w 57a 52.5v 2992w 1703w 1703/2992 = 56.9% 1315w 53w 59a 52.5v 3097w 1825w 1825/3097 = 58.9% 1306w The remarkable thing is that DISSIPATED POWER appears to be relatively constant from 375w output through 1825w output. This implies the KPA-1500 will need to dissipate nearly the same amount of heat at low power output as at high power output, if I am interpreting the data correctly. I would like to know from Elecraft if this is normal behavior. Charles K5UA From a.durbin at msn.com Fri Aug 17 09:11:27 2018 From: a.durbin at msn.com (ANDY DURBIN) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2018 13:11:27 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Efficiency As A Function of Input Power Message-ID: "There was a similar post about the KPA500 in the last year or so. Elecraft responded that the amp was designed for 500 Watts running less was less efficient and running amp at low power was doing it no favors. " Here is an example of measured PA dissipation for a KPA500: https://www.dropbox.com/s/bq0v2740t3iztnj/KPA500%20PA%20DISS%20for%2040%20meters.pdf?dl=0 73, Andy k3wyc From pincon at erols.com Fri Aug 17 09:24:18 2018 From: pincon at erols.com (Charlie T) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2018 09:24:18 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Efficiency As A Function of Input Power In-Reply-To: <95225d8d31cec707e480cdcd06258167.squirrel@www11.qth.com> References: <95225d8d31cec707e480cdcd06258167.squirrel@www11.qth.com> Message-ID: <002d01d4362d$9d5998f0$d80ccad0$@erols.com> I really do NOT understand why this data is so surprising. It all seems to me to be perfectly normal with the amplifier's highest efficiency occurring at near max output. Which curiously, I would assume, is the way the amp was designed. Think zero output with zero drive = zero efficiency. Apply some drive, read some output and the efficiency goes up from there. 73, Charlie k3ICH -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of john at kk9a.com Sent: Friday, August 17, 2018 8:57 AM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Cc: charles at k5ua.com Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Efficiency As A Function of Input Power Interesting data, Charles. I assumed that running the KPA1500 (or KPA500) at lower power would keep the fan from running as much. I knew that efficiency changed with output power but I did not expect that it was this significant. If your data is correct there is 1000++ watts of heat to dissipate no matter what power level you use. John KK9A From: charles k5ua Date: Fri Aug 17 01:17:49 EDT 2018 Upon further testing, I have found that the efficiency of the KPA-1500 is varies greatly with driving power. The following table illustrates the relationships between exciter power, voltage, current, power-in(voltage x amps), power-out, efficiency, and dissipated power. The following test was made with the KPA-1500 into a dummy load and readings from the KPA-1500 utility software. (Exciter)(Amps) (Voltage) (Power-In) (Power-Out) (Efficiency Pout/Pin) (Dissipated Pwr) 10w 29a 52.7v 1528w 375W 375/1528 = 24.5% 1205w 15w 37a 52.7v 1950w 620w 620/1950 = 31.7% 1335w 20w 43a 52.6v 2262w 861w 861/2262 = 38.0% 1413w 25w 47a 52.6v 2472w 1060w 1060/2472 = 42.8% 1451w 30w 51a 52.6v 2682w 1227w 1227/2682 = 45.7% 1420w 35w 53a 52.5v 2782w 1380w 1380/2782 = 49.5% 1412w 40w 55a 52.5v 2887w 1497w 1497/2887 = 51.9% 1382w 45w 56a 52.5v 2940w 1600w 1600/2940 = 54.4% 1313w 50w 57a 52.5v 2992w 1703w 1703/2992 = 56.9% 1315w 53w 59a 52.5v 3097w 1825w 1825/3097 = 58.9% 1306w The remarkable thing is that DISSIPATED POWER appears to be relatively constant from 375w output through 1825w output. This implies the KPA-1500 will need to dissipate nearly the same amount of heat at low power output as at high power output, if I am interpreting the data correctly. I would like to know from Elecraft if this is normal behavior. Charles K5UA ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to pincon at erols.com From frantz at pwpconsult.com Fri Aug 17 09:25:45 2018 From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2018 06:25:45 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Efficiency As A Function of Input Power In-Reply-To: Message-ID: For those curious about the reasons for high power draw at low power out, it might be useful to review the handbook discussion of amplifiers, and the characteristics of class A, B, and C designs. 73 Bill AE6JV -------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz | There are now so many exceptions to the 408-356-8506 | Fourth Amendment that it operates only by www.pwpconsult.com | accident. - William Hugh Murray From charles at k5ua.com Fri Aug 17 09:26:49 2018 From: charles at k5ua.com (charles at k5ua.com) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2018 08:26:49 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Efficiency As A Function of Input Power Message-ID: Thanks to all that commented. Just wanted to make sure this was normal operating behavior. Seemed counter-intuitive but now I think I understand it. Maybe will run a "Time to Temp" test running low power vs. high power. Just curious. Charles K5UA From john at kk9a.com Fri Aug 17 09:43:15 2018 From: john at kk9a.com (john at kk9a.com) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2018 09:43:15 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Efficiency As A Function of Input Power Message-ID: So why do most RTTY users run their amps at reduced power? John KK9A From: Charlie K3ICH Date: Fri Aug 17 09:24:18 EDT 2018 I really do NOT understand why this data is so surprising. It all seems to me to be perfectly normal with the amplifier's highest efficiency occurring at near max output. Which curiously, I would assume, is the way the amp was designed. Think zero output with zero drive = zero efficiency. Apply some drive, read some output and the efficiency goes up from there. 73, Charlie k3ICH -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of john at kk9a.com Sent: Friday, August 17, 2018 8:57 AM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Cc: charles at k5ua.com Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Efficiency As A Function of Input Power Interesting data, Charles. I assumed that running the KPA1500 (or KPA500) at lower power would keep the fan from running as much. I knew that efficiency changed with output power but I did not expect that it was this significant. If your data is correct there is 1000++ watts of heat to dissipate no matter what power level you use. John KK9A From K8ZCT at ARRL.NET Fri Aug 17 10:03:45 2018 From: K8ZCT at ARRL.NET (K8ZCT) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2018 07:03:45 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Efficiency As A Function of Input Power In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1534514625120-0.post@n2.nabble.com> Charles, It is just like your car. You get great gas mileage at certain speeds and driving methods. Worse is at lower speeds, stop and go, and 55 -65 Mph is a good speed for having an efficient mileage car. However, 70-80 is worse on the mileage. Everything has a sweet spot. Nothing is for free as it takes power to do work or in this case to output RF. The front end of the process always has some requirements to get things moving that do little for you, but you got to have them. Does this make any sense? I don't mean to a smart, I am just trying to relate this in a different way that you are probably familiar with. I don't operate RTTY, but it is one of the hardest modes on the equipment similar to AM or FM. I would guess it is a duty cycle requirement, so the equipment doesn't melt down or to not create splatter issues. RTTY equipment needs to be properly adjusted for decoding similar to FT8. Bill, K8ZCT -- Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ From pincon at erols.com Fri Aug 17 10:10:04 2018 From: pincon at erols.com (Charlie T) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2018 10:10:04 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Efficiency As A Function of Input Power In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <003a01d43634$01a81920$04f84b60$@erols.com> Oh Jeeeze....... Almost ALL amps in current use are NOT rated for continuous power output. Only the most recent SS amp builders which use devices themselves rated for 3x or 4X their rated output would dare to specify 100% duty cycle. Only a few tube type amps are rated at 100% duty cycle too and they also use severe over-kill in their PA devices, such as a pair of 8877's or maybe three, 3-500ZG's etc. I would venture to say that 85% of the current amplifiers in use today are NOT rated for 100% duty cycle, so THAT's why they back off on the RTTY output. 73, Charlie k3ICH -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of john at kk9a.com Sent: Friday, August 17, 2018 9:43 AM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Efficiency As A Function of Input Power So why do most RTTY users run their amps at reduced power? John KK9A From: Charlie K3ICH Date: Fri Aug 17 09:24:18 EDT 2018 I really do NOT understand why this data is so surprising. It all seems to me to be perfectly normal with the amplifier's highest efficiency occurring at near max output. Which curiously, I would assume, is the way the amp was designed. Think zero output with zero drive = zero efficiency. Apply some drive, read some output and the efficiency goes up from there. 73, Charlie k3ICH -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of john at kk9a.com Sent: Friday, August 17, 2018 8:57 AM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Cc: charles at k5ua.com Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Efficiency As A Function of Input Power Interesting data, Charles. I assumed that running the KPA1500 (or KPA500) at lower power would keep the fan from running as much. I knew that efficiency changed with output power but I did not expect that it was this significant. If your data is correct there is 1000++ watts of heat to dissipate no matter what power level you use. John KK9A ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to pincon at erols.com From k2vco.vic at gmail.com Fri Aug 17 10:36:27 2018 From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2018 17:36:27 +0300 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Efficiency As A Function of Input Power In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Because the effect of power dissipation over time is temperature increase. RTTY has a high duty cycle (100% when you are transmitting), compared to 50% for CW and usually something less for SSB (it depends on the amount of compression). So more heat is produced when you run RTTY, which the amplifier's cooling system has to get rid of. If the cooling system can't get rid of it, the temperature rises dangerously and components fail. In the case of the KPA1500, it would seem that there is more power dissipated BY THE FINALS at somewhat reduced power levels. But there are other components, such as the lowpass filters, which also dissipate some power, due to unavoidable losses. This dissipation increases as the power output increases. These components would thus get hotter with higher power, and they would be more stressed. This is a good reason to run less power with RTTY with some amplifiers. I think the designers of the KPA1500 took this into account, and you will be fine following the published spec. 73, Victor, 4X6GP Rehovot, Israel Formerly K2VCO CWops no. 5 http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/ On 17/08/2018 16:43, john at kk9a.com wrote: > So why do most RTTY users run their amps at reduced power? > > John KK9A From rmcgraw at blomand.net Fri Aug 17 10:43:41 2018 From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2018 09:43:41 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Efficiency As A Function of Input Power In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I've said this and measured this for years with tube type amps, where as I hear hams say they are running reduced power to "save the tubes".?? That's HOGWASH.? Determine the efficiency at reduced power vs. rated power.? ? The excessive heat at reduced power has to go somewhere. I view running an amp, tube or solid state types, at reduced power is much like driving with your right foot on the accelerator and the left foot on the brake? {US style} and wondering why your gas mileage suffers and your brakes wear out. Tune it up, load it up, and run that sucker at full power.? After all, ........that's why you have an amp. 73 Bob, K4TAX On 8/17/2018 8:11 AM, ANDY DURBIN wrote: > "There was a similar post about the KPA500 in the last year or so. Elecraft responded that the amp was designed for 500 Watts running less was less efficient and running amp at low power was doing it no favors." > > Here is an example of measured PA dissipation for a KPA500: > > https://www.dropbox.com/s/bq0v2740t3iztnj/KPA500%20PA%20DISS%20for%2040%20meters.pdf?dl=0 > > 73, > Andy k3wyc > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to rmcgraw at blomand.net > From rmcgraw at blomand.net Fri Aug 17 10:47:38 2018 From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2018 09:47:38 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Efficiency As A Function of Input Power In-Reply-To: <002d01d4362d$9d5998f0$d80ccad0$@erols.com> References: <95225d8d31cec707e480cdcd06258167.squirrel@www11.qth.com> <002d01d4362d$9d5998f0$d80ccad0$@erols.com> Message-ID: <8317e56a-cf2c-a510-8a3f-ff23c0b650b3@blomand.net> Yes yes and yes.??? Amps are designed with the fixed output matching network chosen for a value of impedance and energy transfer to be at "rated power".? Running any amp at reduced power then does not confirm to the design of the output matching network and the efficiency decreases.?? You aren't doing any favor to yourself, the amp, or others to run the amp otherwise. 73 Bob, K4TAX On 8/17/2018 8:24 AM, Charlie T wrote: > I really do NOT understand why this data is so surprising. > It all seems to me to be perfectly normal with the amplifier's highest > efficiency occurring at near max output. > Which curiously, I would assume, is the way the amp was designed. > > Think zero output with zero drive = zero efficiency. > Apply some drive, read some output and the efficiency goes up from there. > > 73, Charlie k3ICH > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net On > Behalf Of john at kk9a.com > Sent: Friday, August 17, 2018 8:57 AM > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Cc: charles at k5ua.com > Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Efficiency As A Function of Input Power > > Interesting data, Charles. I assumed that running the KPA1500 (or KPA500) > at lower power would keep the fan from running as much. I knew that > efficiency changed with output power but I did not expect that it was this > significant. If your data is correct there is 1000++ watts of heat to > dissipate no matter what power level you use. > > John KK9A > > > From: charles k5ua > Date: Fri Aug 17 01:17:49 EDT 2018 > > Upon further testing, I have found that the efficiency of the KPA-1500 is > varies greatly with driving power. The following table illustrates the > relationships between exciter power, voltage, current, power-in(voltage x > amps), power-out, efficiency, and dissipated power. > The following test was made with the KPA-1500 into a dummy load and readings > from the KPA-1500 utility software. > > (Exciter)(Amps) (Voltage) (Power-In) (Power-Out) (Efficiency Pout/Pin) > (Dissipated Pwr) > 10w 29a 52.7v 1528w 375W 375/1528 = 24.5% > 1205w > 15w 37a 52.7v 1950w 620w 620/1950 = 31.7% > 1335w > 20w 43a 52.6v 2262w 861w 861/2262 = 38.0% > 1413w > 25w 47a 52.6v 2472w 1060w 1060/2472 = 42.8% > 1451w > 30w 51a 52.6v 2682w 1227w 1227/2682 = 45.7% > 1420w > 35w 53a 52.5v 2782w 1380w 1380/2782 = 49.5% > 1412w > 40w 55a 52.5v 2887w 1497w 1497/2887 = 51.9% > 1382w > 45w 56a 52.5v 2940w 1600w 1600/2940 = 54.4% > 1313w > 50w 57a 52.5v 2992w 1703w 1703/2992 = 56.9% > 1315w > 53w 59a 52.5v 3097w 1825w 1825/3097 = 58.9% > 1306w > > The remarkable thing is that DISSIPATED POWER appears to be relatively > constant from 375w output through 1825w output. This implies the > KPA-1500 will need to dissipate nearly the same amount of heat at low power > output as at high power output, if I am interpreting the data correctly. I > would like to know from Elecraft if this is normal behavior. > > Charles K5UA > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message > delivered to pincon at erols.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to rmcgraw at blomand.net > From k9ma at sdellington.us Fri Aug 17 11:41:14 2018 From: k9ma at sdellington.us (K9MA) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2018 10:41:14 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Efficiency As A Function of Input Power In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2E8D8749-9EBC-4B5A-B94B-5D788271EE98@sdellington.us> Perhaps because the power supply is the limiting factor. Scott K9MA ---------- Scott Ellington. K9MA --- via iPhone > On Aug 17, 2018, at 8:43 AM, "john at kk9a.com" wrote: > > So why do most RTTY users run their amps at reduced power? > > John KK9A > > > From: Charlie K3ICH > Date: Fri Aug 17 09:24:18 EDT 2018 > > > I really do NOT understand why this data is so surprising. > It all seems to me to be perfectly normal with the amplifier's highest > efficiency occurring at near max output. > Which curiously, I would assume, is the way the amp was designed. > > Think zero output with zero drive = zero efficiency. > Apply some drive, read some output and the efficiency goes up from there. > > 73, Charlie k3ICH > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net mailman.qth.net> On > Behalf Of john at kk9a.com > Sent: Friday, August 17, 2018 8:57 AM > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Cc: charles at k5ua.com > Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Efficiency As A Function of Input Power > > Interesting data, Charles. I assumed that running the KPA1500 (or KPA500) > at lower power would keep the fan from running as much. I knew that > efficiency changed with output power but I did not expect that it was this > significant. If your data is correct there is 1000++ watts of heat to > dissipate no matter what power level you use. > > John KK9A > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k9ma at sdellington.us From tomdon92 at gmail.com Fri Aug 17 11:44:34 2018 From: tomdon92 at gmail.com (Thomas Donohue) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2018 11:44:34 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S settings for Heil HM-10 XD microphone Message-ID: <8CC612E7-2B4F-481B-9BAD-A23432A5FB9A@gmail.com> Thanks to all who responded to my query. I have since connected the HM-10 XD to the K3S and have found that the following settings work well for both the HC4X and HC5X cartridges. MC FP H, mic menu setting, and Mic gain 30. I continue to use the same transmit EQ settings as I used for the the Heil PR-10 Set, which of course, will vary depending on each individual operators voice characteristics, preferences and hardware. I?ve not yet gotten many on the air reports, but those that I have received were favorable. Best 73, Tom/W1QU Sent from my iPad From xdavid at cis-broadband.com Fri Aug 17 11:45:04 2018 From: xdavid at cis-broadband.com (David Gilbert) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2018 08:45:04 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Efficiency As A Function of Input Power In-Reply-To: <7e1b6af74baa7c0b40943a2a3ac92e8c@k5ua.com> References: <7e1b6af74baa7c0b40943a2a3ac92e8c@k5ua.com> Message-ID: <76b90da7-dc42-49c6-ba6c-5cf451fd07f7@cis-broadband.com> Not sure why that's a surprise.? It's a linear amp ... the bias point is what draws the current, and therefore essentially determines the dissipation.? There's nothing remarkable about it. Amplifier 101. Dave? AB7E On 8/16/2018 10:17 PM, charles at k5ua.com wrote: > Thanks for the replies. > > Upon further testing, I have found that the efficiency of the KPA-1500 > is varies greatly with driving power.? The following table illustrates > the relationships between exciter power, voltage, current, > power-in(voltage x amps), power-out, efficiency, and dissipated power. > The following test was made with the KPA-1500 into a dummy load and > readings from the KPA-1500 utility software. > > (Exciter)(Amps) (Voltage) (Power-In) (Power-Out) (Efficiency Pout/Pin) > (Dissipated Pwr) > ? 10w???? 29a???? 52.7v???? 1528w?????? 375W??????? 375/1528 = > 24.5%???? 1205w > ? 15w???? 37a???? 52.7v???? 1950w?????? 620w??????? 620/1950 = > 31.7%???? 1335w > ? 20w???? 43a???? 52.6v???? 2262w?????? 861w??????? 861/2262 = > 38.0%???? 1413w > ? 25w???? 47a???? 52.6v???? 2472w????? 1060w?????? 1060/2472 = > 42.8%???? 1451w > ? 30w???? 51a???? 52.6v???? 2682w????? 1227w?????? 1227/2682 = > 45.7%???? 1420w > ? 35w???? 53a???? 52.5v???? 2782w????? 1380w?????? 1380/2782 = > 49.5%???? 1412w > ? 40w???? 55a???? 52.5v???? 2887w????? 1497w?????? 1497/2887 = > 51.9%???? 1382w > ? 45w???? 56a???? 52.5v???? 2940w????? 1600w?????? 1600/2940 = > 54.4%???? 1313w > ? 50w???? 57a???? 52.5v???? 2992w????? 1703w?????? 1703/2992 = > 56.9%???? 1315w > ? 53w???? 59a???? 52.5v???? 3097w????? 1825w?????? 1825/3097 = > 58.9%???? 1306w > > The remarkable thing is that DISSIPATED POWER appears to be relatively > constant from 375w output through 1825w output.? This implies the > KPA-1500 will need to dissipate nearly the same amount of heat at low > power output as at high power output, if I am interpreting the data > correctly. I would like to know from Elecraft if this is normal behavior. > > Charles? K5UA > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to xdavid at cis-broadband.com > From john at kk9a.com Fri Aug 17 13:27:56 2018 From: john at kk9a.com (john at kk9a.com) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2018 13:27:56 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Efficiency As A Function of Input Power Message-ID: <318777797e53a05589188acee9420e68.squirrel@www11.qth.com> What is the Oh Jeeze about? I found K5UA's efficiency data surprising that the amp dissipates nearly the same amount of heat regardless of power level. Your comment was "I really do NOT understand why this data is so surprising." You obviously know much more about RF amplifiers than I do. I subscribe to this list to learn. So, my next question was if the heat generated is approximately the same with all power levels, why do RTTY ops use lower power. I am assuming that heat is what destroys finals or other amp components. Perhaps there is a power supply limitation or that tube amps have a more linear efficiency so lower power really means less heat. Of course RTTY has a higher duty cycle than CW and SSB, that was not my question. The RTTY duty cycle is the same whether you run 500 watts or 1500. If the amplifier heating is about the same at both power levels due to higher efficiency at higher power than why not use the maximum power for RTTY (assuming that you have an antenna and coax that can handle it)? John KK9A Sent via the Samsung Galaxy 7 edge, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone. Charlie K3ICH wrote: Oh Jeeeze....... Almost ALL amps in current use are NOT rated for continuous power output. Only the most recent SS amp builders which use devices themselves rated for 3x or 4X their rated output would dare to specify 100% duty cycle. Only a few tube type amps are rated at 100% duty cycle too and they also use severe over-kill in their PA devices, such as a pair of 8877's or maybe three, 3-500ZG's etc. I would venture to say that 85% of the current amplifiers in use today are NOT rated for 100% duty cycle, so THAT's why they back off on the RTTY output. 73, Charlie k3ICH -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of john at kk9a.com Sent: Friday, August 17, 2018 9:43 AM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Efficiency As A Function of Input Power So why do most RTTY users run their amps at reduced power? John KK9A From: Charlie K3ICH Date: Fri Aug 17 09:24:18 EDT 2018 I really do NOT understand why this data is so surprising. It all seems to me to be perfectly normal with the amplifier's highest efficiency occurring at near max output. Which curiously, I would assume, is the way the amp was designed. Think zero output with zero drive = zero efficiency. Apply some drive, read some output and the efficiency goes up from there. 73, Charlie k3ICH -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of john at kk9a.com Sent: Friday, August 17, 2018 8:57 AM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Cc: charles at k5ua.com Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Efficiency As A Function of Input Power Interesting data, Charles. I assumed that running the KPA1500 (or KPA500) at lower power would keep the fan from running as much. I knew that efficiency changed with output power but I did not expect that it was this significant. If your data is correct there is 1000++ watts of heat to dissipate no matter what power level you use. John KK9A From eric at elecraft.com Fri Aug 17 13:58:21 2018 From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2018 10:58:21 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Efficiency As A Function of Input Power In-Reply-To: <318777797e53a05589188acee9420e68.squirrel@www11.qth.com> References: <318777797e53a05589188acee9420e68.squirrel@www11.qth.com> Message-ID: <6a7dc0f8-3181-4483-9da4-3354c737e573@elecraft.com> Folks - Let's keep it polite and non-personal. Eric Moderator /elecraft.com/ On 8/17/2018 10:27 AM, john at kk9a.com wrote: > What is the Oh Jeeze about? I found K5UA's efficiency data surprising that > the amp dissipates nearly the same amount of heat regardless of power > level. Your comment was "I really do NOT understand why this data is so > surprising." You obviously know much more about RF amplifiers than I do. I > subscribe to this list to learn. So, my next question was if the heat > generated is approximately the same with all power levels, why do RTTY ops > use lower power. I am assuming that heat is what destroys finals or other > amp components. Perhaps there is a power supply limitation or that tube > amps have a more linear efficiency so lower power really means less heat. > Of course RTTY has a higher duty cycle than CW and SSB, that was not my > question. The RTTY duty cycle is the same whether you run 500 watts or > 1500. If the amplifier heating is about the same at both power levels due > to higher efficiency at higher power than why not use the maximum power > for RTTY (assuming that you have an antenna and coax that can handle it)? > > John KK9A > > Sent via the Samsung Galaxy 7 edge, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone. > > > > > Charlie K3ICH wrote: > > > Oh Jeeeze....... > > Almost ALL amps in current use are NOT rated for continuous power output. > > Only the most recent SS amp builders which use devices themselves rated for > 3x or 4X their rated output would dare to specify 100% duty cycle. > > Only a few tube type amps are rated at 100% duty cycle too and they also use > severe over-kill in their PA devices, such as a pair of 8877's or maybe > three, 3-500ZG's etc. > > I would venture to say that 85% of the current amplifiers in use today are > NOT rated for 100% duty cycle, so THAT's why they back off on the RTTY > output. > > > 73, Charlie k3ICH > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net mailman.qth.net> On > Behalf Of john at kk9a.com > Sent: Friday, August 17, 2018 9:43 AM > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Efficiency As A Function of Input Power > > So why do most RTTY users run their amps at reduced power? > > John KK9A > > > From: Charlie K3ICH > Date: Fri Aug 17 09:24:18 EDT 2018 > > > I really do NOT understand why this data is so surprising. > It all seems to me to be perfectly normal with the amplifier's highest > efficiency occurring at near max output. > Which curiously, I would assume, is the way the amp was designed. > > Think zero output with zero drive = zero efficiency. > Apply some drive, read some output and the efficiency goes up from there. > > 73, Charlie k3ICH > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net mailman.qth.net> On Behalf Of john at kk9a.com > Sent: Friday, August 17, 2018 8:57 AM > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Cc: charles at k5ua.com > Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Efficiency As A Function of Input Power > > Interesting data, Charles. I assumed that running the KPA1500 (or KPA500) > at lower power would keep the fan from running as much. I knew that > efficiency changed with output power but I did not expect that it was this > significant. If your data is correct there is 1000++ watts of heat to > dissipate no matter what power level you use. > > John KK9A > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to eric.swartz at elecraft.com From ve3iay at gmail.com Fri Aug 17 13:58:48 2018 From: ve3iay at gmail.com (Richard Ferch) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2018 13:58:48 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Efficiency As A Function of Input Power Message-ID: KK9A wrote: "...if the heat generated is approximately the same with all power levels, why do RTTY ops use lower power..." First, the heat generated is not actually approximately the same with all power levels. To a first crude approximation, the heat generated is made up of two components. One component is due to such things as biasing for linearity, and is approximately constant whenever the amp is in transmit (it's still non-zero, but quite a bit smaller, when the amp is in standby), and the other component is related to the actual signal being generated, and is approximately linear with output power. At low output powers, the first component dominates, while at higher powers the second component becomes significant. The power consumption efficiency goes from zero at zero power (some mains current being used but generating zero output) to a maximum when the signal-related component is largest compared to the constant component, i.e. at maximum power. Second, what is dissipated is the accumulated heat energy, not power. Heat removal processes are far slower than output power changes, so effectively they integrate the thermal power generation over a significant time interval. If the instantaneous power is the same in two modes, but the duty-cycle factor for one mode is twice the duty factor for the other mode, then the signal-related component of the energy to be dissipated in a given time period will be twice as high for the high-duty mode. The total energy to be dissipated will not be as much as twice as high because of the constant component, but it will still be higher in the higher duty cycle mode. Depending on the thermal design of the amplifier, that may or may not be enough of an increase to require derating. 73, Rich VE3KI From htodd at twofifty.com Fri Aug 17 13:58:59 2018 From: htodd at twofifty.com (Hisashi T Fujinaka) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2018 10:58:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Efficiency As A Function of Input Power In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I'm running at reduced power because I keep getting into my RemoteRig hardware at higher power (at least on 20M). On Fri, 17 Aug 2018, john at kk9a.com wrote: > So why do most RTTY users run their amps at reduced power? > > John KK9A > > > From: Charlie K3ICH > Date: Fri Aug 17 09:24:18 EDT 2018 > > > I really do NOT understand why this data is so surprising. > It all seems to me to be perfectly normal with the amplifier's highest > efficiency occurring at near max output. > Which curiously, I would assume, is the way the amp was designed. > > Think zero output with zero drive = zero efficiency. > Apply some drive, read some output and the efficiency goes up from there. > > 73, Charlie k3ICH > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net mailman.qth.net> On > Behalf Of john at kk9a.com > Sent: Friday, August 17, 2018 8:57 AM > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Cc: charles at k5ua.com > Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Efficiency As A Function of Input Power > > Interesting data, Charles. I assumed that running the KPA1500 (or KPA500) > at lower power would keep the fan from running as much. I knew that > efficiency changed with output power but I did not expect that it was this > significant. If your data is correct there is 1000++ watts of heat to > dissipate no matter what power level you use. > > John KK9A > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to htodd at twofifty.com > -- Hisashi T Fujinaka - htodd at twofifty.com BSEE + BSChem + BAEnglish + MSCS + $2.50 = coffee From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Fri Aug 17 14:02:33 2018 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2018 11:02:33 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Efficiency As A Function of Input Power In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 8/17/2018 6:43 AM, john at kk9a.com wrote: > So why do most RTTY users run their amps at reduced power? Because they don't understand how amplifiers work. :) 73, Jim K9YC From wes_n7ws at triconet.org Fri Aug 17 14:20:30 2018 From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes Stewart) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2018 11:20:30 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Efficiency As A Function of Input Power In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <55771a9a-cd8a-7741-063e-354c386d9a1b@triconet.org> Do they? I have a KPA500, not a '1500 but I run mine full tilt on RTTY. Something to bear in mind in this discussion is that we run our equipment in ICAS, not CCS.? Even in a contest situation we probably only transmit half the time.? During the off (RX) time the amp isn't drawing any plate, collector or drain current, nor is it drawing much current on CW, key up or SSB between syllables. RTTY is a "continuous" mode without the syllabic breather, but it's still intermittent. Wes On 8/17/2018 6:43 AM, john at kk9a.com wrote: > So why do most RTTY users run their amps at reduced power? > > John KK9A > > > From: Charlie K3ICH > Date: Fri Aug 17 09:24:18 EDT 2018 > > > I really do NOT understand why this data is so surprising. > It all seems to me to be perfectly normal with the amplifier's highest > efficiency occurring at near max output. > Which curiously, I would assume, is the way the amp was designed. > > Think zero output with zero drive = zero efficiency. > Apply some drive, read some output and the efficiency goes up from there. > > 73, Charlie k3ICH > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net mailman.qth.net> On > Behalf Of john at kk9a.com > Sent: Friday, August 17, 2018 8:57 AM > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Cc: charles at k5ua.com > Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Efficiency As A Function of Input Power > > Interesting data, Charles. I assumed that running the KPA1500 (or KPA500) > at lower power would keep the fan from running as much. I knew that > efficiency changed with output power but I did not expect that it was this > significant. If your data is correct there is 1000++ watts of heat to > dissipate no matter what power level you use. > > John KK9A > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wes_n7ws at triconet.org > From KX3.2 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com Fri Aug 17 14:43:52 2018 From: KX3.2 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com (Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2018 11:43:52 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Efficiency As A Function of Input Power In-Reply-To: <55771a9a-cd8a-7741-063e-354c386d9a1b@triconet.org> References: <55771a9a-cd8a-7741-063e-354c386d9a1b@triconet.org> Message-ID: <8fba1b6d-d5c0-a289-cf87-bbcf4ce25f67@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> Isn't there a rule about using the minimum power necessary? On 8/17/2018 11:20 AM, Wes Stewart wrote: > Do they? > > I have a KPA500, not a '1500 but I run mine full tilt on RTTY. > > Something to bear in mind in this discussion is that we run our > equipment in ICAS, not CCS.? Even in a contest situation we probably > only transmit half the time.? During the off (RX) time the amp isn't > drawing any plate, collector or drain current, nor is it drawing much > current on CW, key up or SSB between syllables. RTTY is a "continuous" > mode without the syllabic breather, but it's still intermittent. > > Wes > > On 8/17/2018 6:43 AM, john at kk9a.com wrote: >> So why do most RTTY users run their amps at reduced power? >> >> John KK9A >> >> >> From: Charlie K3ICH >> Date: Fri Aug 17 09:24:18 EDT 2018 >> >> >> I really do NOT understand why this data is so surprising. >> It all seems to me to be perfectly normal with the amplifier's highest >> efficiency occurring at near max output. >> Which curiously, I would assume,? is the way the amp was designed. >> >> Think zero output with zero drive = zero efficiency. >> Apply some drive, read some output and the efficiency goes up from there. >> >> 73, Charlie k3ICH >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net > mailman.qth.net> On >> Behalf Of john at kk9a.com >> Sent: Friday, August 17, 2018 8:57 AM >> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> Cc: charles at k5ua.com >> Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Efficiency As A Function of Input Power >> >> Interesting data, Charles.? I assumed that running the KPA1500 (or >> KPA500) >> at lower power would keep the fan from running as much. I knew that >> efficiency changed with output power but I did not expect that it was >> this >> significant. If your data is correct there is 1000++ watts of heat to >> dissipate no matter what power level you use. >> >> John KK9A >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to wes_n7ws at triconet.org >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to kx3.2 at coldrockshotbrooms.com From wa6nhc at gmail.com Fri Aug 17 14:46:23 2018 From: wa6nhc at gmail.com (Rick WA6NHC) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2018 11:46:23 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Efficiency As A Function of Input Power In-Reply-To: <8fba1b6d-d5c0-a289-cf87-bbcf4ce25f67@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> References: <55771a9a-cd8a-7741-063e-354c386d9a1b@triconet.org> <8fba1b6d-d5c0-a289-cf87-bbcf4ce25f67@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> Message-ID: <7b7e395e-97dc-a4fb-a4a9-58015461267f@gmail.com> Yes for the US at least.? However to provide effective communications, is a subjective term, therefore the entire requirement is vague. Rick nhc On 8/17/2018 11:43 AM, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT wrote: > Isn't there a rule about using the minimum power necessary? From k6dgw at foothill.net Fri Aug 17 14:48:59 2018 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2018 11:48:59 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Efficiency As A Function of Input Power In-Reply-To: <002d01d4362d$9d5998f0$d80ccad0$@erols.com> References: <95225d8d31cec707e480cdcd06258167.squirrel@www11.qth.com> <002d01d4362d$9d5998f0$d80ccad0$@erols.com> Message-ID: Well, only if you've figured out a way to divide by zero. [:-) The term "amplifier efficiency" must have changed dramatically since I worked in broadcast nearly a lifetime ago.? Then, it was the ratio [expressed as a percentage] of the RF power delivered to the 3 1/8" hardline divided by the DC power supplied to the amplifier plate circuit.? Power to the filaments was generally excluded by manufacturers seeking to have higher efficiency numbers.? One 10 KW FM transmitter I helped build used four 4-1000A's in parallel and the filament power was 600 watts. Efficiency, including filament power was just over 70%. To measure the efficiency of a KPA1500 [or 500, or KXPA100, or KPA2] one would measure the key down RF output and divide it by the key down DC input power.? If it was water-cooled, I suppose one should include the input power to the pump(s), but no one ever did.? SS amplifiers like the KPA(1)500 probably run class AB or its equivalent and have substantial DC input power even at zero RF input. RF output power vs RF input power defines the amplifer's transfer function, not its efficiency. 73, Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW Sparks NV DM09dn Washoe County PS:? I really don't recommend trying to get four parallel 4-1000A's to work anything close to "well" at 90.7 MHz. Apparently, it seemed like a good idea at the time. [:-) On 8/17/2018 6:24 AM, Charlie T wrote: > Think zero output with zero drive = zero efficiency. > Apply some drive, read some output and the efficiency goes up from there. > > 73, Charlie k3ICH > From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Fri Aug 17 14:52:48 2018 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2018 11:52:48 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Efficiency As A Function of Input Power In-Reply-To: <55771a9a-cd8a-7741-063e-354c386d9a1b@triconet.org> References: <55771a9a-cd8a-7741-063e-354c386d9a1b@triconet.org> Message-ID: <568d674a-d9dc-6ff5-9c00-5c7ae846b13e@audiosystemsgroup.com> On 8/17/2018 11:20 AM, Wes Stewart wrote: > Something to bear in mind in this discussion is that we run our > equipment in ICAS, not CCS.? Even in a contest situation we probably > only transmit half the time.? During the off (RX) time the amp isn't > drawing any plate, collector or drain current, nor is it drawing much > current on CW, key up or SSB between syllables. RTTY is a "continuous" > mode without the syllabic breather, but it's still intermittent. Great analysis. Long-winded ragchewing on AM or keydown digital modes is probably worst case for dissipation. I don't do either, so my worst case is WSJT modes on 6M (6M because efficiency is lowest), or RTTY contesting when I'm running (that is, CQing) with few answers. 73, Jim K9YC From no9e at arrl.net Fri Aug 17 15:01:06 2018 From: no9e at arrl.net (Ignacy) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2018 12:01:06 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Efficiency As A Function of Input Power In-Reply-To: <55771a9a-cd8a-7741-063e-354c386d9a1b@triconet.org> References: <55771a9a-cd8a-7741-063e-354c386d9a1b@triconet.org> Message-ID: <1534532466973-0.post@n2.nabble.com> The theory states that Power in = U I Power out ~ I*I*r So power-in is linear with current. Power-out is quadratic with current. Driving hard helps efficiency but hurts linearity. Max efficiency with LDMOS is about 60% with reasonable linearity and no feedback, but could be > 70% with predistortion. Higher efficiency can be obtained in class C for CW/RTTY however wideband SS designs are not suitable for class C. For low efficiency at lower power the best approach is to reduce the supply voltage. SPE gives a choice of 25V (1/3 power), 35V (half power) and 48V (full power). New 4O3A (Flex) amplifier is supposed to adjust supply voltage automatically for highest efficiency at a given power. Another choice is to use an external tuner for max power, not low SWR, as e.g. at 1/4 power the optimum output impedance is 200 Ohms not 50 Ohms. Elecraft is using a trick in KX3 where at > 12 V and 5 W another ratio is used in the final transformer, reducing power input by almost one half. Ignacy, NO9E -- Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ From wes_n7ws at triconet.org Fri Aug 17 16:24:15 2018 From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes Stewart) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2018 13:24:15 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Efficiency As A Function of Input Power In-Reply-To: <8fba1b6d-d5c0-a289-cf87-bbcf4ce25f67@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> References: <55771a9a-cd8a-7741-063e-354c386d9a1b@triconet.org> <8fba1b6d-d5c0-a289-cf87-bbcf4ce25f67@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> Message-ID: <051de6a0-8911-0b25-4a16-c4a109596a2d@triconet.org> Sure.? That's why during every QSO I ask my partner, "Can you still hear me?"? If he says, "Yes", I reduce power and ask again.? Eventually, we determine the minimum power necessary.? Then the band changes and we start over. Kind of slows down pileups and contesting, but rule are rules, right? On 8/17/2018 11:43 AM, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT wrote: > Isn't there a rule about using the minimum power necessary? > > On 8/17/2018 11:20 AM, Wes Stewart wrote: >> Do they? >> >> I have a KPA500, not a '1500 but I run mine full tilt on RTTY. From k9ztv at socket.net Fri Aug 17 17:29:51 2018 From: k9ztv at socket.net (K9ZTV) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2018 16:29:51 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] MINIMUM POWER NECESSARY Message-ID: The actual FCC regulation (47 CFR 97.313) reads: ?An amateur station must use the minimum transmitter power necessary to carry out the DESIRED communications? (my capitalization). In operating my own station I assign primary importance to the term ?desired communication? and secondary importance to the term ?minumum necessary.? Because ... I may be able to communicate with another station at 5 watts under significant QSB conditions. But if my desire is to transmit to that same station with 100% accuracy a message containing life-and-death implications, maximum power necessary is the only appropriate decision, as the wisely-worded FCC clause implies. 73, Kent K9ZTV > On Aug 17, 2018, at 3:24 PM, someone wrote: > > That's why during every QSO I ask my partner, "Can you still hear me?" If he says, "Yes", I reduce power and ask again. Eventually, we determine the minimum power necessary. From frantz at pwpconsult.com Fri Aug 17 18:06:39 2018 From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2018 15:06:39 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Efficiency As A Function of Input Power In-Reply-To: Message-ID: And I would guess it was running in class C, which is not linear, so only useful for certain modes (including FM). Class C can convert most of the input power to RF power. 73 Bill AE6JV On 8/17/18 at 11:48 AM, k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) wrote: >One 10 KW FM transmitter I helped build used four 4-1000A's in >parallel and the filament power was 600 watts. Efficiency, >including filament power was just over 70%. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz | Ham radio contesting is a | Periwinkle (408)356-8506 | contact sport. | 16345 Englewood Ave www.pwpconsult.com | - Ken Widelitz K6LA / VY2TT | Los Gatos, CA 95032 From alorona at sbcglobal.net Fri Aug 17 18:35:34 2018 From: alorona at sbcglobal.net (Al Lorona) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2018 22:35:34 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] Portable Battery tests References: <1030583182.10012899.1534545334983.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1030583182.10012899.1534545334983@mail.yahoo.com> Howie this is excellent data. Thank you for your work in this area. The table really clearly shows the tradeoffs between cost, weight, volume, capacity and everything else. Alkaline batteries do pretty well for themselves, although I'm not sure why the voltage for 8 cells is listed at only 9.6 V. Is that the ending voltage after the discharge tests? The measurement that caught my eye is the third-to-the-last column, "MAH ACTUAL % OF ADVERTISED" because I abhor false advertising and go out of my way to boycott it. I'd say those at 0.90 and above are acceptable, while the ones at the bottom should be ashamed of themselves. QuickCable at 11% of advertised? Really? Al W6LX From W2xj at w2xj.net Fri Aug 17 18:40:48 2018 From: W2xj at w2xj.net (W2xj) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2018 15:40:48 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Efficiency As A Function of Input Power In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <89FF0D53-3429-4BA4-AA2A-28C3C1215D99@w2xj.net> Actually a class C amplifier can be made to perform as a linear. The technology is over 60 years old but I don?t think it has ever been tried in amateur service. Sent from my iPad > On Aug 17, 2018, at 3:06 PM, Bill Frantz wrote: > > And I would guess it was running in class C, which is not linear, so only useful for certain modes (including FM). Class C can convert most of the input power to RF power. > > 73 Bill AE6JV > >> On 8/17/18 at 11:48 AM, k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) wrote: >> >> One 10 KW FM transmitter I helped build used four 4-1000A's in parallel and the filament power was 600 watts. Efficiency, including filament power was just over 70%. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Bill Frantz | Ham radio contesting is a | Periwinkle > (408)356-8506 | contact sport. | 16345 Englewood Ave > www.pwpconsult.com | - Ken Widelitz K6LA / VY2TT | Los Gatos, CA 95032 > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to w2xj at w2xj.net > From W2xj at w2xj.net Fri Aug 17 18:45:54 2018 From: W2xj at w2xj.net (W2xj) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2018 15:45:54 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Efficiency As A Function of Input Power In-Reply-To: References: <95225d8d31cec707e480cdcd06258167.squirrel@www11.qth.com> <002d01d4362d$9d5998f0$d80ccad0$@erols.com> Message-ID: Today in broadcast we generally rate transmitters by AC in to RF out. For AM transmitters that figure is in the low 90 percent range and the current FMs run at about 74% AC in to RF out. Sent from my iPad > On Aug 17, 2018, at 11:48 AM, Fred Jensen wrote: > > Well, only if you've figured out a way to divide by zero. [:-) > > The term "amplifier efficiency" must have changed dramatically since I worked in broadcast nearly a lifetime ago. Then, it was the ratio [expressed as a percentage] of the RF power delivered to the 3 1/8" hardline divided by the DC power supplied to the amplifier plate circuit. Power to the filaments was generally excluded by manufacturers seeking to have higher efficiency numbers. One 10 KW FM transmitter I helped build used four 4-1000A's in parallel and the filament power was 600 watts. Efficiency, including filament power was just over 70%. > > To measure the efficiency of a KPA1500 [or 500, or KXPA100, or KPA2] one would measure the key down RF output and divide it by the key down DC input power. If it was water-cooled, I suppose one should include the input power to the pump(s), but no one ever did. SS amplifiers like the KPA(1)500 probably run class AB or its equivalent and have substantial DC input power even at zero RF input. > > RF output power vs RF input power defines the amplifer's transfer function, not its efficiency. > > 73, > > Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW > Sparks NV DM09dn > Washoe County > > PS: I really don't recommend trying to get four parallel 4-1000A's to work anything close to "well" at 90.7 MHz. Apparently, it seemed like a good idea at the time. [:-) > >> On 8/17/2018 6:24 AM, Charlie T wrote: >> Think zero output with zero drive = zero efficiency. >> Apply some drive, read some output and the efficiency goes up from there. >> >> 73, Charlie k3ICH >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to w2xj at w2xj.net From k6dgw at foothill.net Fri Aug 17 19:59:19 2018 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2018 16:59:19 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Efficiency As A Function of Input Power In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3133e60d-8489-3a7f-329e-4cdbb7e4c37f@foothill.net> Yes, it was Class C ... FM is constant envelope modulation.? The ancient 50's/60's rules of thumb were: ? Class A: 25% - really linear ? Class B: 50% - linear with crossover distortion ? Class C: 75% - exceedingly non-linear ? Class AB1: between A & B, no grid current - mitigates crossover distortion ? Class AB2:? AB1 but draws grid current - also mitigates crossover dist. For audio, Classes B and AB needed two tubes and operated push-pull. We were interested in efficiency of the PA because higher efficiency meant lower dissipation for a fixed output [10 KW].? As it was, at 90.7 MHz, the anodes were already nearly white.? Again ... I do not recommend using four parallel 4-1000A's anywhere near 90.7 MHz. [:-)) The RCA Ampliphase [aka "Amplifuzz"] series of AM transmitters ran Class C through the entire RF chain.? They were a bear to align ... you never wanted to start a PoP after sign-off if you'd been awake all day.? The Ampliphase history is moderately interesting however, especially if you're from or in Sacramento CA. This thread however has been discussing "efficiency" of a KPA1500 in terms of output power vs drive power which isn't even remotely close to measuring efficiency.? As amateurs, I can't come up with a single reason why we'd be concerned about efficiency as long as the amplifier design is solid and robust.? Our A/C uses far more energy over a summer than my K3/KPA500 did all year, and I leave it on a lot.? If this is all about fans and their noise, the thread needs a new subject. 73, Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW Sparks NV DM09dn Washoe County On 8/17/2018 3:06 PM, Bill Frantz wrote: > And I would guess it was running in class C, which is not linear, so > only useful for certain modes (including FM). Class C can convert most > of the input power to RF power. > > 73 Bill AE6JV > > On 8/17/18 at 11:48 AM, k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) wrote: > >> One 10 KW FM transmitter I helped build used four 4-1000A's in >> parallel and the filament power was 600 watts. Efficiency, including >> filament power was just over 70%. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Bill Frantz??????? | Ham radio contesting is a??? | Periwinkle > (408)356-8506????? | contact sport.?????????????? | 16345 Englewood Ave > www.pwpconsult.com |? - Ken Widelitz K6LA / VY2TT | Los Gatos, CA 95032 > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k6dgw at foothill.net > From k6dgw at foothill.net Fri Aug 17 20:07:33 2018 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2018 17:07:33 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Portable Battery tests In-Reply-To: <1030583182.10012899.1534545334983@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1030583182.10012899.1534545334983.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1030583182.10012899.1534545334983@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2c47696f-d208-e6b0-f6a1-ce0c4eb78956@foothill.net> The issue is discharge curve.? A very good LiFePO4, LiIon, or Lipoly battery will have a very flat discharge curve, maintaining its terminal voltage under load right up to near total discharge.? At that point, the terminal voltage will adopt the glide angle of a brick at which point my K2 conveniently shuts down.? I get around 90% of the rated capacity of the battery.? The "really good deals" on eBay exhibit a discharge curve that continually decreases, and will fall below the value usable by your radio much more quickly.? The energy [or most of it] is still there, you just have to find a transceiver that will run on less than 8 volts. Shrink-wrapped Li almost always come from 'you know where' and employ cells rejected by real battery makers. 73, Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW Sparks NV DM09dn Washoe County On 8/17/2018 3:35 PM, Al Lorona wrote: > Howie this is excellent data. Thank you for your work in this area. > > The table really clearly shows the tradeoffs between cost, weight, volume, capacity and everything else. Alkaline batteries do pretty well for themselves, although I'm not sure why the voltage for 8 cells is listed at only 9.6 V. Is that the ending voltage after the discharge tests? > > The measurement that caught my eye is the third-to-the-last column, "MAH ACTUAL % OF ADVERTISED" because I abhor false advertising and go out of my way to boycott it. I'd say those at 0.90 and above are acceptable, while the ones at the bottom should be ashamed of themselves. QuickCable at 11% of advertised? Really? > > Al W6LX > From k6dgw at foothill.net Fri Aug 17 20:13:33 2018 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2018 17:13:33 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Efficiency As A Function of Input Power In-Reply-To: References: <95225d8d31cec707e480cdcd06258167.squirrel@www11.qth.com> <002d01d4362d$9d5998f0$d80ccad0$@erols.com> Message-ID: <2e4b938a-731f-6383-af25-25449e5d78f8@foothill.net> Yes.? Electricity cost to generate the RF that earns the revenue is a major part of the broadcast station budget.? Not so much for amateurs.? Since FM is constant envelope modulation, it makes sense it would have a lower overall efficiency.? Even Rush Limbaugh has to take a breath occasionally on AM ... it makes no difference on FM. [:-)) 73, Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW Sparks NV DM09dn Washoe County On 8/17/2018 3:45 PM, W2xj wrote: > Today in broadcast we generally rate transmitters by AC in to RF out. For AM transmitters that figure is in the low 90 percent range and the current FMs run at about 74% AC in to RF out. > > From eric at elecraft.com Fri Aug 17 20:39:40 2018 From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2018 17:39:40 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Efficiency As A Function of Input Power In-Reply-To: <051de6a0-8911-0b25-4a16-c4a109596a2d@triconet.org> References: <55771a9a-cd8a-7741-063e-354c386d9a1b@triconet.org> <8fba1b6d-d5c0-a289-cf87-bbcf4ce25f67@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> <051de6a0-8911-0b25-4a16-c4a109596a2d@triconet.org> Message-ID: We're way over the posting limit on this one. Let's close this thread for now. (And, in the future, please voluntarily close long threads well before I happen to stop by :-) 73 Eric /elecraft.com/ From c-hawley at illinois.edu Fri Aug 17 20:40:05 2018 From: c-hawley at illinois.edu (hawley, charles j jr) Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2018 00:40:05 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Efficiency As A Function of Input Power In-Reply-To: <2e4b938a-731f-6383-af25-25449e5d78f8@foothill.net> References: <95225d8d31cec707e480cdcd06258167.squirrel@www11.qth.com> <002d01d4362d$9d5998f0$d80ccad0$@erols.com> , <2e4b938a-731f-6383-af25-25449e5d78f8@foothill.net> Message-ID: <654064BD-8EE6-4370-A74C-9BDC5A82A3CD@illinois.edu> Seems like this discussion would be functional if it were ways to quiet the fans without compromising the efficiency of the cooling. Chuck Jack KE9UW Sent from my iPhone, cjack > On Aug 17, 2018, at 7:13 PM, Fred Jensen wrote: > > Yes. Electricity cost to generate the RF that earns the revenue is a major part of the broadcast station budget. Not so much for amateurs. Since FM is constant envelope modulation, it makes sense it would have a lower overall efficiency. Even Rush Limbaugh has to take a breath occasionally on AM ... it makes no difference on FM. [:-)) > > 73, > > Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW > Sparks NV DM09dn > Washoe County > >> On 8/17/2018 3:45 PM, W2xj wrote: >> Today in broadcast we generally rate transmitters by AC in to RF out. For AM transmitters that figure is in the low 90 percent range and the current FMs run at about 74% AC in to RF out. >> >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to c-hawley at illinois.edu From eric at elecraft.com Fri Aug 17 20:41:13 2018 From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2018 17:41:13 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Efficiency As A Function of Input Power In-Reply-To: <2e4b938a-731f-6383-af25-25449e5d78f8@foothill.net> References: <95225d8d31cec707e480cdcd06258167.squirrel@www11.qth.com> <002d01d4362d$9d5998f0$d80ccad0$@erols.com> <2e4b938a-731f-6383-af25-25449e5d78f8@foothill.net> Message-ID: <816a323d-1f25-dc4e-5249-b719b21ae576@elecraft.com> Also on this related thread: We're way over the posting limit on this one. Let's close this thread for now. (And, in the future, please voluntarily close long threads well before I happen to stop by :-) 73, Eric /elecraft.com/ On 8/17/2018 5:13 PM, Fred Jensen wrote: > Yes. Electricity cost to generate the RF that earns the revenue is a major > part of the broadcast station budget.? Not so much for amateurs.? Since FM is > constant envelope modulation, it makes sense it would have a lower overall > efficiency.? Even Rush Limbaugh has to take a breath occasionally on AM ... it > makes no difference on FM. [:-)) > > 73, From eric at elecraft.com Fri Aug 17 20:44:23 2018 From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2018 17:44:23 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] MINIMUM POWER NECESSARY In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: And with that, let's close this thread now before it veers into a discussion pro and con on the legality of running different power levels. In general, in the interest of keeping list volume under control and discussions polite, we prefer FCC rule and policy discussions, along with other amateur radio policy related topics not be discussed on the elecraft list. 73, Eric /elecraft.com/ On 8/17/2018 2:29 PM, K9ZTV wrote: > The actual FCC regulation (47 CFR 97.313) reads: > > ... From KeepWalking188 at ac0c.com Sat Aug 18 00:45:56 2018 From: KeepWalking188 at ac0c.com (Jeff Blaine) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2018 23:45:56 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 - temp reading drops 10C when under power Message-ID: While running the KPA1500 in the SARTG tonight, I noticed that the temp reading drops about 10C when transmitting.? min fan speed 1. Seems to be related to power - at 1500W it's pretty close to 10C.? At lower powers, it's less of a difference.? I don't recall seeing that before. Normal? 73/jeff/ac0c alpha-charlie-zero-charlie www.ac0c.com From k3wjv at yahoo.com Sat Aug 18 01:11:21 2018 From: k3wjv at yahoo.com (Bill Stravinsky) Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2018 05:11:21 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 - temp reading drops 10C when under power In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1592188815.10147277.1534569081934@mail.yahoo.com> I noticed this problem shortly after getting my 1500 back in May.? I only see this problem on 40 mtrs for some reason.? I've never seen a 10 degree fluctuation but itis regularly 6 degrees and has approached 8 degrees.?? I only work cw for the most part.? I see it all the time when the duty cycle goes up like when contesting and thatis when I start looking at the temp more often so that's how I noticed it to begin with..? I've learned to live with it, at least for the time being, for the following reason. I contacted Elecraft and talked with one of the engineers.? Apparently this problem was addressed during early engineering but leave it to me to be the first one toexperience this.? He explained that there might be a possible fix for it that would require installing a cap, most likely an SMD type.? I would be more comfy with a discretecomponent, hi.? But the jist of the conversation was that its just a touchy temp sending device.? I downloaded some file from the utility program and I don't think thetrouble was exposed in the file for some reason after I sent it to them. Film at eleven. BillK3WJV. On Saturday, August 18, 2018, 12:49:55 AM EDT, Jeff Blaine wrote: While running the KPA1500 in the SARTG tonight, I noticed that the temp reading drops about 10C when transmitting.? min fan speed 1. Seems to be related to power - at 1500W it's pretty close to 10C.? At lower powers, it's less of a difference.? I don't recall seeing that before. Normal? 73/jeff/ac0c alpha-charlie-zero-charlie www.ac0c.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to k3wjv at yahoo.com From KeepWalking188 at ac0c.com Sat Aug 18 01:26:07 2018 From: KeepWalking188 at ac0c.com (Jeff Blaine) Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2018 00:26:07 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 - temp reading drops 10C when under power In-Reply-To: <1592188815.10147277.1534569081934@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1592188815.10147277.1534569081934@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Yea, I was on 40m also.? So there's a second data point. Did not notice it before - but having watched it pretty consistently tonight, I will know what to look for on other bands.? Tonight was the first night I had the chance to run it on RTTY and want to be sure the thing is ready for prime time given the CQ RTTY DX is coming up end of Sept. The good news is that the amp seemed to level off at 73C (or 63C?) and that means fan 2 was able to keep things under control. SWR is nearly 1:1 on that band and I don't know what it does on other bands but it was REALLY GREAT that fan speed 3+ was not needed.? 1&2 are in a completely different sound category compared to the 3+ which sound like my company's computer server room.? ha ha. 73/jeff/ac0c alpha-charlie-zero-charlie www.ac0c.com On 18-Aug-18 12:11 AM, Bill Stravinsky via Elecraft wrote: > I noticed this problem shortly after getting my 1500 back in May.? I only see this problem on 40 mtrs for some reason.? I've never seen a 10 degree fluctuation but itis regularly 6 degrees and has approached 8 degrees.?? I only work cw for the most part.? I see it all the time when the duty cycle goes up like when contesting and thatis when I start looking at the temp more often so that's how I noticed it to begin with.. > > I've learned to live with it, at least for the time being, for the following reason. > I contacted Elecraft and talked with one of the engineers.? Apparently this problem was addressed during early engineering but leave it to me to be the first one toexperience this.? He explained that there might be a possible fix for it that would require installing a cap, most likely an SMD type.? I would be more comfy with a discretecomponent, hi.? But the jist of the conversation was that its just a touchy temp sending device.? I downloaded some file from the utility program and I don't think thetrouble was exposed in the file for some reason after I sent it to them. > Film at eleven. > BillK3WJV. > > On Saturday, August 18, 2018, 12:49:55 AM EDT, Jeff Blaine wrote: > > While running the KPA1500 in the SARTG tonight, I noticed that the temp > reading drops about 10C when transmitting.? min fan speed 1. > > Seems to be related to power - at 1500W it's pretty close to 10C.? At > lower powers, it's less of a difference.? I don't recall seeing that > before. > > Normal? > > 73/jeff/ac0c > alpha-charlie-zero-charlie > www.ac0c.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k3wjv at yahoo.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to keepwalking188 at ac0c.com From n7xy at n7xy.net Sat Aug 18 01:40:26 2018 From: n7xy at n7xy.net (Bob Nielsen, N7XY) Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2018 22:40:26 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Bluetooth latency and CW reception Message-ID: <85d8bd48-4701-ca90-39f3-2089abe696e1@n7xy.net> Like many of us of a certain age, I have started wearing hearing aids (actually I first tried one 20 years ago but since my hearing on one ear was still pretty good at the time I gave up on it soon after).? Now I have issues in both ears and am essentially deaf in one so I got aids with CROS technology to feed sound from both sides to my better ear. Because of the technology involved in this, I was unable to get bluetooth capability in my hearing aid and have an adapter which receives bluetooth and? I have been told that it sends it to the aids with a very low power 10.6 MHz signal.? This works quite well but ordinary headphones aren't very comfortable when wearing the hearing aids and I would prefer to not have to remove them when operating.? I have been thinking about getting a bluetooth transmitter to connect to my K3S instead of using my headphones. However, I suspect that latency may be an issue and there might be an unacceptable delay between the keying input and the sidetone received by the hearing aids.? I N7XY'm also concerned that RF (especially on 30 meters) might saturate the 10.6 MHz receiver inside the hearing aid. Has anyone been able to use a bluetooth connection (such as bluetooth headphones) successfully on CW? 73, Bob N7XY From glcazzola at alice.it Sat Aug 18 03:00:31 2018 From: glcazzola at alice.it (IK4EWX) Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2018 00:00:31 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft P3 signal intensity Message-ID: <1534575631296-0.post@n2.nabble.com> I have understood that it is normal that P3 with his extremely narrow IF give lower S-units that the K3/K3S, but is it possible to adjust the P3 to give same S-meter readings than my K3S? Is there any way to give coherent signals intensity both K3 and P3? On My P3 I read S6 a CW signal that is S9 on my k3S with his if 500hz wide. -- Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ From rmcgraw at blomand.net Sat Aug 18 08:12:37 2018 From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX) Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2018 07:12:37 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 - temp reading drops 10C when under power In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I'd say a bit of common mode current on the feed line.??? I see that from time to time with my KPA500 on certain bands/antennas. 73 Bob, K4TAX On 8/17/2018 11:45 PM, Jeff Blaine wrote: > While running the KPA1500 in the SARTG tonight, I noticed that the > temp reading drops about 10C when transmitting.? min fan speed 1. > > Seems to be related to power - at 1500W it's pretty close to 10C. At > lower powers, it's less of a difference.? I don't recall seeing that > before. > > Normal? > > 73/jeff/ac0c > alpha-charlie-zero-charlie > www.ac0c.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to rmcgraw at blomand.net From bob at hogbytes.com Sat Aug 18 09:01:25 2018 From: bob at hogbytes.com (Bob N3MNT) Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2018 06:01:25 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Bluetooth latency and CW reception In-Reply-To: <85d8bd48-4701-ca90-39f3-2089abe696e1@n7xy.net> References: <85d8bd48-4701-ca90-39f3-2089abe696e1@n7xy.net> Message-ID: <1534597285120-0.post@n2.nabble.com> I tried a few BT transmitters. No issue with interference, but the latency you are concerned about made it impossible to send at any speed. Works fine on SSB, but for me was not usable for CW and since most of my time is spent on CW I stopped using it. I know there have been a few members who claim to have found one that is better. Hopefully one of them will come in with a model and some data. -- Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ From n6tv at arrl.net Sat Aug 18 12:04:11 2018 From: n6tv at arrl.net (Bob Wilson, N6TV) Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2018 09:04:11 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 changes modes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Are you using the PC DATA connector to have the KPA1500 automatically follow the frequency of your transceiver? If so, try setting MENU:RADIO POLL OFF; commands from the amp. could be interfering with radio commands from WSJT-X/OmniRig. You might also try a slower or faster baud rate in both the radio and in OmniRig. 73, Bob, N6TV On Thu, Aug 16, 2018 at 10:10 AM, Richard Zalewski wrote: > I have been experiencing an intermittent problem with the KPA-1500, > TS-990. When running WSJT-X (USB) occasionally the 990 goes to AM-D1 > mode. No reason I can see for it to do that. It does this in RECEIVE. > Just to be sure however I put lots of ferrite on all leads involved. From n6tv at arrl.net Sat Aug 18 12:59:08 2018 From: n6tv at arrl.net (Bob Wilson, N6TV) Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2018 09:59:08 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 No power out In-Reply-To: <298474956.8182250.1534307357476@mail.yahoo.com> References: <298474956.8182250.1534307357476.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <298474956.8182250.1534307357476@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: >From the "Troubleshooting" section of the K3 manual: *No power output*: You may have routed RF through the KXV3?s XVTR IN/OUT jacks, either by switching to a transverter band, or by setting CONFIG:KXV3 to TEST. Also try redoing TX GAIN cal (pg. 49). 73, Bob, N6TV On Tue, Aug 14, 2018 at 9:29 PM, Don Roberts via Elecraft < elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote: > Yes I can set it at 35 watts which is what I usually use to drive the KPA > 500, and speak in the mic for ssb and get no power out. In cw at the same > 35 watts, when I send code either straight key or padfle. 0 watts out. Same > results if I attempt to run bearfoot at 100 watts or 5 watts, I get no > power out. Receive is working fine, the P3 is working normal, and the KPA > 500 and KAT 500 track bands as I change them. > I will try again tomorrow after a night of sleep. If still no go, will > phone home to Elecraft > Don, W4CBS From KeepWalking188 at ac0c.com Sat Aug 18 13:20:43 2018 From: KeepWalking188 at ac0c.com (Jeff Blaine) Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2018 12:20:43 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 - temp reading drops 10C when under power In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0fa540cc-4cca-f107-02e3-ae520202c73d@ac0c.com> Odds are not good there.? The antennas have a balun at the feedpoint, are on a tower 500 feet from the shack and the hardline runs under ground.? If there is common mode involved, it's some sort of new hyper-super-ultra-infina-deluxe type never before discovered on earth. 73/jeff/ac0c alpha-charlie-zero-charlie www.ac0c.com On 18-Aug-18 7:12 AM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote: > I'd say a bit of common mode current on the feed line.??? I see that > from time to time with my KPA500 on certain bands/antennas. > > 73 > > Bob, K4TAX > > > On 8/17/2018 11:45 PM, Jeff Blaine wrote: >> While running the KPA1500 in the SARTG tonight, I noticed that the >> temp reading drops about 10C when transmitting.? min fan speed 1. >> >> Seems to be related to power - at 1500W it's pretty close to 10C. At >> lower powers, it's less of a difference.? I don't recall seeing that >> before. >> >> Normal? >> >> 73/jeff/ac0c >> alpha-charlie-zero-charlie >> www.ac0c.com >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to rmcgraw at blomand.net > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to keepwalking188 at ac0c.com From rmcgraw at blomand.net Sat Aug 18 14:20:03 2018 From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX) Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2018 13:20:03 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 - temp reading drops 10C when under power In-Reply-To: <0fa540cc-4cca-f107-02e3-ae520202c73d@ac0c.com> References: <0fa540cc-4cca-f107-02e3-ae520202c73d@ac0c.com> Message-ID: <9ead7fd9-b3bb-5e4d-e431-58356e8da222@blomand.net> Some baluns offer good common mode current rejection while others offer virtually no common mode rejection.?? {See DJ0IP site and discussion on baluns.}? Since the feed line from the balun runs down the tower to the point where the feedline runs underground, that segment of feedline is exposed to radiation from the antenna.? Certainly common mode current can be a very realistic occurrence in this case. ..........." it's some sort of new hyper-super-ultra-infina-deluxe type never before discovered on earth."?? Nope,? it is just basic physics regarding the properties of RF induced currents.??? Depending on band, a choking impedance of 300 to 5000 ohms may be needed to resolve the issue.?? Since it was disclosed as power related, this supports the issues of common mode currents. Good luck in finding and correcting the matter. 73 Bob, K4TAX On 8/18/2018 12:20 PM, Jeff Blaine wrote: > Odds are not good there.? The antennas have a balun at the feedpoint, > are on a tower 500 feet from the shack and the hardline runs under > ground.? If there is common mode involved, it's some sort of new > hyper-super-ultra-infina-deluxe type never before discovered on earth. > > 73/jeff/ac0c > alpha-charlie-zero-charlie > www.ac0c.com > > On 18-Aug-18 7:12 AM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote: >> I'd say a bit of common mode current on the feed line.??? I see that >> from time to time with my KPA500 on certain bands/antennas. >> >> 73 >> >> Bob, K4TAX >> >> >> On 8/17/2018 11:45 PM, Jeff Blaine wrote: >>> While running the KPA1500 in the SARTG tonight, I noticed that the >>> temp reading drops about 10C when transmitting.? min fan speed 1. >>> >>> Seems to be related to power - at 1500W it's pretty close to 10C. At >>> lower powers, it's less of a difference.? I don't recall seeing that >>> before. >>> >>> Normal? >>> >>> 73/jeff/ac0c >>> alpha-charlie-zero-charlie >>> www.ac0c.com >>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to rmcgraw at blomand.net >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to keepwalking188 at ac0c.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to rmcgraw at blomand.net From paul at paulbaldock.com Sat Aug 18 14:55:10 2018 From: paul at paulbaldock.com (Paul Baldock) Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2018 11:55:10 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 - temp reading drops 10C when under power In-Reply-To: <9ead7fd9-b3bb-5e4d-e431-58356e8da222@blomand.net> References: <0fa540cc-4cca-f107-02e3-ae520202c73d@ac0c.com> <9ead7fd9-b3bb-5e4d-e431-58356e8da222@blomand.net> Message-ID: <5b786b90.1c69fb81.199a1.cc24@mx.google.com> I just checked mine on 40M and when on CW Temp is bouncing all over the place. Same into a dummy load as the antenna 300ft away. It also does it to a lesser extent on 80M and a little bounce on 17M and 10M. I suspect its in the amp and not related to common mode RF in the coax. Probably a cap in the right place would fix it. - Paul At 11:20 AM 8/18/2018, you wrote: >Some baluns offer good common mode current >rejection while others offer virtually no common >mode rejection.? ? {See DJ0IP site and >discussion on baluns.}? Since the feed line >from the balun runs down the tower to the point >where the feedline runs underground, that >segment of feedline is exposed to radiation from >the antenna.? Certainly common mode current can >be a very realistic occurrence in this case. >..........." it's some sort of new >hyper-super-ultra-infina-deluxe type never >before discovered on earth."? ? Nope,? it is >just basic physics regarding the properties of >RF induced currents.? ? ? Depending on band, a >choking impedance of 300 to 5000 ohms may be >needed to resolve the issue.? ? Since it was >disclosed as power related, this supports the >issues of common mode currents. Good luck in >finding and correcting the matter. 73 Bob, K4TAX >On 8/18/2018 12:20 PM, Jeff Blaine wrote: > Odds >are not good there.? The antennas have a balun >at the feedpoint, > are on a tower 500 feet from >the shack and the hardline runs under > >ground.? If there is common mode involved, it's >some sort of new > >hyper-super-ultra-infina-deluxe type never >before discovered on earth. > > 73/jeff/ac0c > >alpha-charlie-zero-charlie > www.ac0c.com > > On >18-Aug-18 7:12 AM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote: >> >I'd say a bit of common mode current on the feed >line.? ? ? I see that >> from time to time with >my KPA500 on certain bands/antennas. >> >> >73 >> >> Bob, K4TAX >> >> >> On 8/17/2018 11:45 >PM, Jeff Blaine wrote: >>> While running the >KPA1500 in the SARTG tonight, I noticed that >the >>> temp reading drops about 10C when >transmitting.? min fan speed 1. >>> >>> Seems >to be related to power - at 1500W it's pretty >close to 10C. At >>> lower powers, it's less of >a difference.? I don't recall seeing that >>> >before. >>> >>> Normal? >>> >>> 73/jeff/ac0c >>> >alpha-charlie-zero-charlie >>> >www.ac0c.com >>> >>> >______________________________________________________________ > >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: >http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> >Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> >Please help support this email list: >http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message >delivered to rmcgraw at blomand.net >> >> >> >______________________________________________________________ > >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: >http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> >Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This >list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please >help support this email list: >http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message >delivered to keepwalking188 at ac0c.com > > >______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > Home: >http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > >Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This >list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help >support this email list: >http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message >delivered to rmcgraw at blomand.net >______________________________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list Home: >http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: >mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted >by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this >email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >Message delivered to paul at paulbaldock.com From fcady at montana.edu Sat Aug 18 16:16:43 2018 From: fcady at montana.edu (Cady, Fred) Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2018 20:16:43 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft P3 signal intensity In-Reply-To: <1534575631296-0.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1534575631296-0.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: Hi, "Why doesn?t the P3 signal strength agree with the K3S?s S-meter? You would think the S-meter on the K3S and the signal displayed on the P3 would be the same. There are several reasons why this might not be the case that have to do with your display choices. 1. When the K3S SMTR MD menu is AbS, the K3S S-meter shows the absolute signal at the antenna and does not change when the preamplifier or attenuator are engaged. The signal at the antenna has an absolute power and thus isn?t, nor should it be, affected by the K3S signal processing preamplifier or attenuator. If the K3S SMTR MD menu is nor, changing the preamplifier and attenuator will change the signal displayed on the K3S. This shows you the affect of the preamplifier and attenuator. Meanwhile, if the K3S and P3 serial ports are connected, the P3 knows the status of the preamplifier and attenuator and adjusts its display accordingly. That is, the P3 always operates in absolute mode showing you the power at the K3S antenna. So, when SMTR MD menu is nor changing the preamplifier and attenuator will affect the K3S S-meter but not the P3 display. 2. The signal level on the K3S and P3 depends on their respective effective bandwidths. In the K3S the bandwidth is set by the pass band tuning control. In the K3S the S-meter gives you a measure of the signal within the K3S bandwidth. In the P3 the effective bandwidth is approximately the span divided by 450 (there are 450 pixels displaying signals across the P3 display). In the P3 each pixel gives you a measure of the signal within the effective bandwidth of the pixel. If the two bandwidths are different, the K3S and P3 signal displays will be different. This will particularly be evident with wideband signals such as SSB. Even when the P3 span is 200 kHz its effective bandwidth per pixel is 440 Hz and it does not contain the full signal that is seen on the K3S S-meter. As an exercise, change to a relatively noisy band and change the width of the pass band tuning. You should see less noise on the K3S display when the bandwidth is narrower. While doing this you shouldn?t see any change in what the P3 is displaying. The bottom line here is ?Don?t worry overmuch about the signal strength readings.? Each display serves a different purpose. The K3S S-meter shows you the signal strength of the signal(s) within its passband and the P3 shows you the relative strengths of a number of signals shown in its span." (excerpt from "The Elecraft K3s and P3"). Cheers, Fred KE7X For all KE7X Elecraft books, see www.ke7x.com ________________________________ From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net on behalf of IK4EWX Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2018 1:00 AM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft P3 signal intensity I have understood that it is normal that P3 with his extremely narrow IF give lower S-units that the K3/K3S, but is it possible to adjust the P3 to give same S-meter readings than my K3S? Is there any way to give coherent signals intensity both K3 and P3? On My P3 I read S6 a CW signal that is S9 on my k3S with his if 500hz wide. -- Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to fcady at ke7x.com From Gary at ka1j.com Sat Aug 18 23:05:01 2018 From: Gary at ka1j.com (Gary Smith) Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2018 23:05:01 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 watt reading Message-ID: <5B78DE5D.29131.CFA5E1F@Gary.ka1j.com> Is there an established way to have the P3 not read in PEP? I would like to use the P3's watt meter to tune my amp but the PEP mode is not good for that. Thanks, 73, Gary KA1J From edauer at law.du.edu Sat Aug 18 23:20:16 2018 From: edauer at law.du.edu (Dauer, Edward) Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2018 03:20:16 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] VOX Sensitivity for K2 Message-ID: Is there a procedure for reducing the VOX sensitivity in the K2? I have found nothing in the Manual or in the Menu menu. I am using a Heil Proset. The VOX triggers when I let a pen drop on the desk . . . I believe I am using the recommended SSB settings - SSB-A at 2 and SSB-C at 3-1. Any advice? Tnx, Ted, KN1CBR From glcazzola at alice.it Sun Aug 19 03:29:16 2018 From: glcazzola at alice.it (glcazzola at alice.it) Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2018 09:29:16 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] Ris: Elecraft P3 signal intensity Message-ID: <5B60E9F30974BC6A@smtp203.alice.it> (added by postmaster@alice.it) From glcazzola at alice.it Sun Aug 19 04:07:00 2018 From: glcazzola at alice.it (IK4EWX) Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2018 01:07:00 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft P3 signal intensity In-Reply-To: References: <1534575631296-0.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1534666020066-0.post@n2.nabble.com> Thanks Fred of your great analysys, those that we can have from a University Professor as you - a true gift for us, amateur radio ops. I have read it from your great book about K3S-P3, that I own, but it is very interesting even reading replica. Anyway I asked hoping exist a setting for alignement of both units. Now i undestood it doesnt exist, and I can only hope in a new firmware (a long time have passed from last release of firmware for P3 by Elecraft). A new P3 firmware that could take care also of this problem would be great. Many thanks Fred for your great work on your Elecraft manuals. 73, Ian IK4EWX -- Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ From k9ma at sdellington.us Sun Aug 19 12:11:51 2018 From: k9ma at sdellington.us (K9MA) Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2018 11:11:51 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 - temp reading drops 10C when under power In-Reply-To: <5b786b90.1c69fb81.199a1.cc24@mx.google.com> References: <0fa540cc-4cca-f107-02e3-ae520202c73d@ac0c.com> <9ead7fd9-b3bb-5e4d-e431-58356e8da222@blomand.net> <5b786b90.1c69fb81.199a1.cc24@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Elecraft has a fix for this. 73, Scott K9MA ---------- Scott Ellington --- via iPad > On Aug 18, 2018, at 1:55 PM, Paul Baldock wrote: > > I just checked mine on 40M and when on CW Temp is bouncing all over the place. Same into a dummy load as the antenna 300ft away. It also does it to a lesser extent on 80M and a little bounce on 17M and 10M. > > I suspect its in the amp and not related to common mode RF in the coax. > > Probably a cap in the right place would fix it. > > - Paul > > > At 11:20 AM 8/18/2018, you wrote: >> Some baluns offer good common mode current rejection while others offer virtually no common mode rejection.? ? {See DJ0IP site and discussion on baluns.}? Since the feed line from the balun runs down the tower to the point where the feedline runs underground, that segment of feedline is exposed to radiation from the antenna.? Certainly common mode current can be a very realistic occurrence in this case. ..........." it's some sort of new hyper-super-ultra-infina-deluxe type never before discovered on earth."? ? Nope,? it is just basic physics regarding the properties of RF induced currents.? ? ? Depending on band, a choking impedance of 300 to 5000 ohms may be needed to resolve the issue.? ? Since it was disclosed as power related, this supports the issues of common mode currents. Good luck in finding and correcting the matter. 73 Bob, K4TAX On 8/18/2018 12:20 PM, Jeff Blaine wrote: > Odds are not good there.? The antennas have a balun at the feedpoint, > are on a tower 500 feet from the shack and the hardline runs under > ground.? If there is common mode involved, it's some sort of new > hyper-super-ultra-infina-deluxe type never before discovered on earth. > > 73/jeff/ac0c > alpha-charlie-zero-charlie > www.ac0c.com > > On 18-Aug-18 7:12 AM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote: >> I'd say a bit of common mode current on the feed line.? ? ? I see that >> from time to time with my KPA500 on certain bands/antennas. >> >> 73 >> >> Bob, K4TAX >> >> >> On 8/17/2018 11:45 PM, Jeff Blaine wrote: >>> While running the KPA1500 in the SARTG tonight, I noticed that the >>> temp reading drops about 10C when transmitting.? min fan speed 1. >>> >>> Seems to be related to power - at 1500W it's pretty close to 10C. At >>> lower powers, it's less of a difference.? I don't recall seeing that >>> before. >>> >>> Normal? >>> >>> 73/jeff/ac0c >>> alpha-charlie-zero-charlie >>> www.ac0c.com >>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to rmcgraw at blomand.net >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to keepwalking188 at ac0c.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to rmcgraw at blomand.net ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to paul at paulbaldock.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k9ma at sdellington.us From k1tl at cox.net Sun Aug 19 13:30:58 2018 From: k1tl at cox.net (Tom Lizak) Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2018 13:30:58 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] WWV/WWVH Closure Message-ID: <002401d437e2$64cf49b0$2e6ddd10$@net> This may not be the appropriate place for this but need to have amateur radio ops read this as many rely on the "time standards" for our radios. "NIST station WWV and sister stations are among the oldest radio stations in the United States, having been in continuous operation since May 1920. The station has transmitted the official US Time for nearly 100 years, and is an instrumental part in the telecommunications field, ranging from broadcasting to scientific research and education. Additionally, these stations transmit marine storm warnings from the National Weather Service, GPS satellite health reports, and specific information concerning current solar activity, and radio propagation conditions. These broadcasts are an essential resource to the worldwide communications industry. This petition requests continued funding of these stations be maintained into the 21st century and beyond to ensure future operations." They need 100K signatures by 15Sep2018...gonna be tough ! Here is a link to the petition if you wish to sign it: https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/maintain-funding-nist-stations-wwv -wwvh No flames, please ! 73 Tom/K1TL... From mcpoteet at gmail.com Sun Aug 19 13:44:50 2018 From: mcpoteet at gmail.com (Michael Poteet) Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2018 12:44:50 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] WWV/WWVH Closure In-Reply-To: <002401d437e2$64cf49b0$2e6ddd10$@net> References: <002401d437e2$64cf49b0$2e6ddd10$@net> Message-ID: <003b01d437e4$54be5d20$fe3b1760$@com> By the way, I had to login directly to my gmail account in order for the "Confirm your signature by clicking here" action to work. I initially tried from my Microsoft Outlook email client and the "Click Here" did not work. Mike W5FTD > -----Original Message----- > From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft- > bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Tom Lizak > Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2018 12:31 > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: [Elecraft] WWV/WWVH Closure > > This may not be the appropriate place for this but need to have amateur > radio ops read this as many rely on the "time standards" for our radios. > > > > "NIST station WWV and sister stations are among the oldest radio > stations in > the United States, having been in continuous operation since May 1920. > The > station has transmitted the official US Time for nearly 100 years, and > is an > instrumental part in the telecommunications field, ranging from > broaConform dcasting > to scientific research and education. Additionally, these stations > transmit > marine storm warnings from the National Weather Service, GPS satellite > health reports, and specific information concerning current solar > activity, > and radio propagation conditions. These broadcasts are an essential > resource > to the worldwide communications industry. This petition requests > continued > funding of these stations be maintained into the 21st century and beyond > to > ensure future operations." > > > > They need 100K signatures by 15Sep2018...gonna be tough ! > > > > Here is a link to the petition if you wish to sign it: > https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/maintain-funding-nist- > stations-wwv > -wwvh > > > > No flames, please ! > > > > 73 > > Tom/K1TL... > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to mcpoteet at gmail.com From KY5G at montac.com Sun Aug 19 14:08:45 2018 From: KY5G at montac.com (Clay Autery) Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2018 13:08:45 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] WWV/WWVH Closure In-Reply-To: <002401d437e2$64cf49b0$2e6ddd10$@net> References: <002401d437e2$64cf49b0$2e6ddd10$@net> Message-ID: Error 404 on that link... ______________________ Clay Autery, KY5G (318) 518-1389 On 19-Aug-18 12:30, Tom Lizak wrote: > This may not be the appropriate place for this but need to have amateur > radio ops read this as many rely on the "time standards" for our radios. > > > > "NIST station WWV and sister stations are among the oldest radio stations in > the United States, having been in continuous operation since May 1920. The > station has transmitted the official US Time for nearly 100 years, and is an > instrumental part in the telecommunications field, ranging from broadcasting > to scientific research and education. Additionally, these stations transmit > marine storm warnings from the National Weather Service, GPS satellite > health reports, and specific information concerning current solar activity, > and radio propagation conditions. These broadcasts are an essential resource > to the worldwide communications industry. This petition requests continued > funding of these stations be maintained into the 21st century and beyond to > ensure future operations." > > > > They need 100K signatures by 15Sep2018...gonna be tough ! > > > > Here is a link to the petition if you wish to sign it: > https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/maintain-funding-nist-stations-wwv > -wwvh > > > > No flames, please ! > > > > 73 > > Tom/K1TL... > From dave at nk7z.net Sun Aug 19 14:10:23 2018 From: dave at nk7z.net (Dave Cole (NK7Z)) Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2018 11:10:23 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] WWV/WWVH Closure In-Reply-To: References: <002401d437e2$64cf49b0$2e6ddd10$@net> Message-ID: <45266922-8f88-e9d3-900a-09f2d0b1b830@nk7z.net> Mail wrapping cut off the end for you... 73s and thanks, Dave (NK7Z/NNR0DC) https://www.nk7z.net ARRL Technical Specialist On 08/19/2018 11:08 AM, Clay Autery wrote: > Error 404 on that link... > > ______________________ > Clay Autery, KY5G > (318) 518-1389 > > On 19-Aug-18 12:30, Tom Lizak wrote: >> This may not be the appropriate place for this but need to have amateur >> radio ops read this as many rely on the "time standards" for our radios. >> >> >> "NIST station WWV and sister stations are among the oldest radio >> stations in >> the United States, having been in continuous operation since May 1920. >> The >> station has transmitted the official US Time for nearly 100 years, and >> is an >> instrumental part in the telecommunications field, ranging from >> broadcasting >> to scientific research and education. Additionally, these stations >> transmit >> marine storm warnings from the National Weather Service, GPS satellite >> health reports, and specific information concerning current solar >> activity, >> and radio propagation conditions. These broadcasts are an essential >> resource >> to the worldwide communications industry. This petition requests >> continued >> funding of these stations be maintained into the 21st century and >> beyond to >> ensure future operations." >> >> >> They need 100K signatures by 15Sep2018...gonna be tough ! >> >> >> Here is a link to the petition if you wish to sign it: >> https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/maintain-funding-nist-stations-wwv >> >> -wwvh >> >> >> No flames, please ! >> >> >> 73 >> >> Tom/K1TL... >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dave at nk7z.net From ab2tc at arrl.net Sun Aug 19 14:22:57 2018 From: ab2tc at arrl.net (ab2tc) Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2018 11:22:57 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] WWV/WWVH Closure In-Reply-To: <45266922-8f88-e9d3-900a-09f2d0b1b830@nk7z.net> References: <002401d437e2$64cf49b0$2e6ddd10$@net> <45266922-8f88-e9d3-900a-09f2d0b1b830@nk7z.net> Message-ID: <1534702977323-0.post@n2.nabble.com> Hi, Just copy and paste the entire link. I am in and counted. WWV possibly closing! What a horrible thought! What are we going to do to check our radios' calibration? AB2TC - Knut NK7Z wrote > Mail wrapping cut off the end for you... > > 73s and thanks, > Dave (NK7Z/NNR0DC) > https://www.nk7z.net > ARRL Technical Specialist > > On 08/19/2018 11:08 AM, Clay Autery wrote: >> Error 404 on that link... >> >> ______________________ >> Clay Autery, KY5G >> (318) 518-1389 >> > -- Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ From k2asp at kanafi.org Sun Aug 19 14:40:51 2018 From: k2asp at kanafi.org (Phil Kane) Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2018 11:40:51 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Bluetooth latency and CW reception In-Reply-To: <85d8bd48-4701-ca90-39f3-2089abe696e1@n7xy.net> References: <85d8bd48-4701-ca90-39f3-2089abe696e1@n7xy.net> Message-ID: On 8/17/2018 10:40 PM, Bob Nielsen, N7XY wrote: > Like many of us of a certain age, I have started wearing hearing aids Welcome to the club. > Has anyone been able to use a bluetooth connection (such as bluetooth > headphones) successfully on CW? My hearing aid devices (Phonax Audeo) use an around-the-neck pendant adapter (Phonax ComPilot II) that does BT to and from my cell-phone but couples to the hearing aid devices inductively. It has a 3.5 mm jack that will feed external audio to the induction system as well. Standard 3.5 mm M-M patch cord from the headphone lack on the radio or the computer puts the audio sounds into my ears with no noticeable latency problems, as tested with my K2. They also make a BT adapter for across-the-room TV sound use but I have never tried it because I have no need for that. Enjoy hearing again. 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane Elecraft K2/100 s/n 5402 >From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon From kevin at ve3syb.ca Sun Aug 19 14:48:31 2018 From: kevin at ve3syb.ca (Kevin Cozens) Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2018 14:48:31 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] WWV/WWVH Closure In-Reply-To: <002401d437e2$64cf49b0$2e6ddd10$@net> References: <002401d437e2$64cf49b0$2e6ddd10$@net> Message-ID: On 2018-08-19 01:30 PM, Tom Lizak wrote: > They need 100K signatures by 15Sep2018...gonna be tough ! I was only the 1,011th person to sign. We have already lost so many international broadcasters. If we lose WWV/WWVH we lose a lot more. They provided known very accurate frequencies, time information, propagation information, and marine weather. I'll still have CHU Canada for time but it isn't always heard as easily as WWV/WWVH. Most of what I find left on shortwave is religious broadcasters and stations in Spanish. -- Cheers! Kevin. http://www.ve3syb.ca/ | "Nerds make the shiny things that https://www.patreon.com/KevinCozens | distract the mouth-breathers, and | that's why we're powerful" Owner of Elecraft K2 #2172 | #include | --Chris Hardwick From rmcgraw at blomand.net Sun Aug 19 14:57:39 2018 From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX) Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2018 13:57:39 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] WWV/WWVH Closure In-Reply-To: <45266922-8f88-e9d3-900a-09f2d0b1b830@nk7z.net> References: <002401d437e2$64cf49b0$2e6ddd10$@net> <45266922-8f88-e9d3-900a-09f2d0b1b830@nk7z.net> Message-ID: <5998c928-a4fc-56fc-7322-b14306d1bfea@blomand.net> More info on the topic.? I view the loss of WWV, WWVH and possibly WWVB to have a major impact on world wide communication technology in many ways.? If WWVB operation is suspended, where would be the reference for many of our atomic clocks? 73 Bob, K4TAX The National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST ) FY 2019 budget request includes shutting down ?NIST radio stations in Colorado and Hawaii? ? in other words, WWV and WWVH. Radio amateurs, HF listeners, and others around the world routinely make use of the time and frequency standard signals, which also include propagation information. NIST said eliminating funding currently ?supporting fundamental measurement dissemination? would include putting WWV and WWVH off the air for a saving of $6.3 million.?The NIST FY 2019 budget request?for efforts related to Fundamental Measurement, Quantum Science and Measurement Dissemination?is $127 million, which, the agency said, is a net decrease of $49 million from FY 2018 levels. The Administration's overall NIST budget ?request is more than $629 million. ?The proposed reductions will allow NIST to consolidate and focus on narrower core [fundamental] measurement programs while meeting budget levels,? the agency said in its FY 2019 budget summary . ?NIST will focus on basic research while reducing funding for efforts applying some of its breakthroughs into new measurement applications. The FY 2019 proposed budget cuts developed earlier this year came to light via Tom Witherspoon, K4SWL, who maintains The SWLing Post ?website, after a number of viewers called it to his attention. He posted an article ?on his blog. ?I?ve always considered WWV and WWVH to be the heartbeat of the shortwaves here in North America ? a constant, timely companion and brilliant gauge of HF propagation,? Witherspoon wrote. I assumed both stations would be some of the last to go silent on the shortwaves.? NIST said other ?illustrative? cuts in the FY 2019 budget include: * $3.5 million for Lab to Market, which seeks to accelerate technology transfer from federal laboratories * $6.6 million in environmental measurements projects across NIST laboratories, including work measuring the impact of aerosols on pollution and climate change, and gas reference materials used by industry to reduce costs of complying with regulations * $5.8 million eliminating the NIST Greenhouse Gas (GHG) Measurements program, including Urban Dome research grants to advance the direct measurement of GHG emissions on the scale of cities or regions. * $6.7 million in forensic science, reducing the program size to $7.3 million by prioritizing measurement science in the NIST labs and eliminating program management functions and external grants for the Organization of Scientific Area Committees for Forensic Science and the Forensic Science Center of Excellence * $4.1 million in R&D targeting application of NIST quantum breakthroughs to applied measurement needs, including temperature and atmospheric gas metrology ?I find this budget request?very?disappointing,? Witherspoon said with respect to the proposed elimination of WWV and WWVH. ?Let?s hope, somehow, this does not come to fruition.? He said?The SWLing Post?would be tracking and posting any new developments. From k1tl at cox.net Sun Aug 19 15:18:09 2018 From: k1tl at cox.net (Tom Lizak) Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2018 15:18:09 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] WWV WWVH Closure ...more info Message-ID: <003701d437f1$5da7a1a0$18f6e4e0$@net> Here is another link as it is on the 2019 President's Budget "hit list". The link may be too long on this post so use copy/paste https://swling.com/blog/2018/08/nist-fy2019-budget-includes-request-to-shutd own-wwv-and-wwvh/ 73 Tom/K1TL... From aj4tf at arrl.net Sun Aug 19 15:18:54 2018 From: aj4tf at arrl.net (aj4tf) Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2018 12:18:54 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] WWV/WWVH Closure In-Reply-To: <002401d437e2$64cf49b0$2e6ddd10$@net> References: <002401d437e2$64cf49b0$2e6ddd10$@net> Message-ID: <1534706334465-0.post@n2.nabble.com> Since the White House does not control appropriations, it is probably more "appropriate" to contact your representative and senators than to sign a White House petition that doesn't have much chance of getting addressed. 73, David AJ4TF (writing a letter to my Congress members) -- Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ From tomb18 at videotron.ca Sun Aug 19 15:26:57 2018 From: tomb18 at videotron.ca (tomb18) Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2018 15:26:57 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] WWV/WWVH Closure In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <302120e1e3c41f4f7c97fa130f44733e@smtp.videotron.ca> Need to get casio, citizen and seiko to make a fuss....my watch will no longer work right Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. -------- Original message --------From: aj4tf Date: 2018-08-19 3:18 PM (GMT-05:00) To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] WWV/WWVH Closure Since the White House does not control appropriations, it is probably more "appropriate" to contact your representative and senators than to sign a White House petition that doesn't have much chance of getting addressed. 73,? David AJ4TF? (writing a letter to my Congress members) -- Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to tomb18 at videotron.ca From lmarion at mt.net Sun Aug 19 15:27:05 2018 From: lmarion at mt.net (lmarion) Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2018 13:27:05 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] WWV/WWVH Closure In-Reply-To: <5998c928-a4fc-56fc-7322-b14306d1bfea@blomand.net> References: <002401d437e2$64cf49b0$2e6ddd10$@net><45266922-8f88-e9d3-900a-09f2d0b1b830@nk7z.net> <5998c928-a4fc-56fc-7322-b14306d1bfea@blomand.net> Message-ID: <3A91D6DD890A42DF8C1D8547B963D8E3@LeroyPC> NIST went GPS long before I retired.The Cesium and Rubidium Clocks I calibrated for Space Command had to degrade the accuracy requirements from 10 to the -12 to 10 to -10 to accommodate GPS . Made no real difference to the end users at the time. Leroy AB7CE -----Original Message----- From: Bob McGraw K4TAX Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2018 12:57 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] WWV/WWVH Closure More info on the topic. I view the loss of WWV, WWVH and possibly WWVB to have a major impact on world wide communication technology in many ways. If WWVB operation is suspended, where would be the reference for many of our atomic clocks? 73 Bob, K4TAX The National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST ) FY 2019 budget request includes shutting down ?NIST radio stations in Colorado and Hawaii? ? in other words, WWV and WWVH. Radio amateurs, HF listeners, and others around the world routinely make use of the time and frequency standard signals, which also include propagation information. NIST said eliminating funding currently ?supporting fundamental measurement dissemination? would include putting WWV and WWVH off the air for a saving of $6.3 million. The NIST FY 2019 budget request for efforts related to Fundamental Measurement, Quantum Science and Measurement Dissemination is $127 million, which, the agency said, is a net decrease of $49 million from FY 2018 levels. The Administration's overall NIST budget request is more than $629 million. ?The proposed reductions will allow NIST to consolidate and focus on narrower core [fundamental] measurement programs while meeting budget levels,? the agency said in its FY 2019 budget summary . ?NIST will focus on basic research while reducing funding for efforts applying some of its breakthroughs into new measurement applications. The FY 2019 proposed budget cuts developed earlier this year came to light via Tom Witherspoon, K4SWL, who maintains The SWLing Post website, after a number of viewers called it to his attention. He posted an article on his blog. ?I?ve always considered WWV and WWVH to be the heartbeat of the shortwaves here in North America ? a constant, timely companion and brilliant gauge of HF propagation,? Witherspoon wrote. I assumed both stations would be some of the last to go silent on the shortwaves.? NIST said other ?illustrative? cuts in the FY 2019 budget include: * $3.5 million for Lab to Market, which seeks to accelerate technology transfer from federal laboratories * $6.6 million in environmental measurements projects across NIST laboratories, including work measuring the impact of aerosols on pollution and climate change, and gas reference materials used by industry to reduce costs of complying with regulations * $5.8 million eliminating the NIST Greenhouse Gas (GHG) Measurements program, including Urban Dome research grants to advance the direct measurement of GHG emissions on the scale of cities or regions. * $6.7 million in forensic science, reducing the program size to $7.3 million by prioritizing measurement science in the NIST labs and eliminating program management functions and external grants for the Organization of Scientific Area Committees for Forensic Science and the Forensic Science Center of Excellence * $4.1 million in R&D targeting application of NIST quantum breakthroughs to applied measurement needs, including temperature and atmospheric gas metrology ?I find this budget request very disappointing,? Witherspoon said with respect to the proposed elimination of WWV and WWVH. ?Let?s hope, somehow, this does not come to fruition.? He said The SWLing Post would be tracking and posting any new developments. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to lmarion at mt.net From Gary at ka1j.com Sun Aug 19 15:36:08 2018 From: Gary at ka1j.com (Gary Smith) Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2018 15:36:08 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] WWV/WWVH Closure Message-ID: <5B79C6A8.19344.1085BA4D@Gary.ka1j.com> The link earlier provided was chopped up. This is the correct link: https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/ maintain-funding-nist-stations-wwv-wwvh And here is a tinyurl link to the same link https://tinyurl.com/y9db9vs6 I signed it. 73, Gary KA1J From KX3.2 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com Sun Aug 19 15:44:59 2018 From: KX3.2 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com (Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT) Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2018 12:44:59 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] WWV/WWVH Closure In-Reply-To: <5B79C6A8.19344.1085BA4D@Gary.ka1j.com> References: <5B79C6A8.19344.1085BA4D@Gary.ka1j.com> Message-ID: Pro-tip: include links in < and > -- most mail clients will not chop them in two: On 8/19/2018 12:36 PM, Gary Smith wrote: > https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/ > maintain-funding-nist-stations-wwv-wwvh From rlvz at aol.com Sun Aug 19 15:51:44 2018 From: rlvz at aol.com (rlvz at aol.com) Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2018 15:51:44 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 - Temp reading drops when under power In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <16553be489f-1e99-1f202@webjas-vaa228.srv.aolmail.net> Have the same issue "temp drop under power" with Serail #167.? 40m. is the worst by far. ? 73, Dick- K9OM ? ? In a message dated 8/19/2018 1:46:29 PM Central Standard Time, elecraft-request at mailman.qth.net writes: ? Subject: KPA1500 - temp reading drops 10C when under?power Message-ID: <5b786b90.1c69fb81.199a1.cc24 at mx.google.com> I just checked mine on 40M and when on CW Temp is bouncing all over the place. Same into a dummy load as the antenna 300ft away. It also does it to a lesser extent on 80M and a little bounce on 17M and 10M. I suspect its in the amp and not related to common mode RF in the coax. Probably a cap in the right place would fix it. - Paul From thom2 at att.net Sun Aug 19 18:44:01 2018 From: thom2 at att.net (Tom McCulloch) Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2018 18:44:01 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] WWV/WWVH Closure In-Reply-To: References: <5B79C6A8.19344.1085BA4D@Gary.ka1j.com> Message-ID: <152317bd-4663-13dd-bd66-d0266cf82291@att.net> Just a heads up, for people like me who don't always read everything. When you to this site and click through they will send you an e-mail verifying that you are real...you MUST respond to that e-mail for your signature to me counted. Looks like they are about 98,000 shy of the 100 K goal, but it's early. Tom, WB2QDG K2 #1103 On 8/19/2018 3:44 PM, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT wrote: > Pro-tip: include links in < and > -- most mail clients will not chop > them in two: > > > > > On 8/19/2018 12:36 PM, Gary Smith wrote: >> https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/ >> maintain-funding-nist-stations-wwv-wwvh > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to thom2 at att.net > -- I'm happy to be anywhere -- Keith Richards From rkruse at johngalt.biz Sun Aug 19 18:44:04 2018 From: rkruse at johngalt.biz (rkruse at johngalt.biz) Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2018 18:44:04 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] WWV/WWVH Closure In-Reply-To: <5998c928-a4fc-56fc-7322-b14306d1bfea@blomand.net> References: <002401d437e2$64cf49b0$2e6ddd10$@net> <45266922-8f88-e9d3-900a-09f2d0b1b830@nk7z.net> <5998c928-a4fc-56fc-7322-b14306d1bfea@blomand.net> Message-ID: <6cffcf07-512f-f73d-9c7f-cd604b56b166@johngalt.biz> Got this from a friend who tried to sign the petition: > ?The confirmation email came and when I clicked on the link ,it says > 404 page not found.? I tried five times. > > maybe that is why there are so few signatures? Ray Kruse 73? KK4WPB On 8/19/2018 2:57 PM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote: > More info on the topic.? I view the loss of WWV, WWVH and possibly > WWVB to have a major impact on world wide communication technology in > many ways.? If WWVB operation is suspended, where would be the > reference for many of our atomic clocks? > > 73 > > Bob, K4TAX -- Furthermore, I believe that islam must be destroyed. If there must be trouble, let it be in my day, that my child may have peace.--Thomas Paine 73 KK4WPB Molon labe From k4wi at k4wi.net Sun Aug 19 19:00:25 2018 From: k4wi at k4wi.net (Courtney Judd) Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2018 18:00:25 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] WWV/WWVH Closure In-Reply-To: <6cffcf07-512f-f73d-9c7f-cd604b56b166@johngalt.biz> References: <002401d437e2$64cf49b0$2e6ddd10$@net> <45266922-8f88-e9d3-900a-09f2d0b1b830@nk7z.net> <5998c928-a4fc-56fc-7322-b14306d1bfea@blomand.net> <6cffcf07-512f-f73d-9c7f-cd604b56b166@johngalt.biz> Message-ID: <5B79F689.2070000@k4wi.net> me too, K4WI > rkruse at johngalt.biz > Sunday, August 19, 2018 5:44 PM > Got this from a friend who tried to sign the petition: > >> The confirmation email came and when I clicked on the link ,it says >> 404 page not found. I tried five times. >> >> maybe that is why there are so few signatures? > > Ray Kruse > 73 KK4WPB > > > On 8/19/2018 2:57 PM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote: >> More info on the topic. I view the loss of WWV, WWVH and possibly >> WWVB to have a major impact on world wide communication technology in >> many ways. If WWVB operation is suspended, where would be the >> reference for many of our atomic clocks? >> >> 73 >> >> Bob, K4TAX > From n0nb at n0nb.us Sun Aug 19 19:01:45 2018 From: n0nb at n0nb.us (Nate Bargmann) Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2018 18:01:45 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Two KFL3A-1=.K filters for sale or trade Message-ID: <20180819230144.kqy5hcfltkbylx5s@n0nb.us> Some years ago I bought a pair of KFL3A-1.0K filters. As I've decided to reconfigure my K3 a bit in the future, I will list them for sale. Given that these are 8 pole filters, I'll accept $105 each or $200 for the pair shipped via USPS to the USA. I'd also consider trading one for a single KFL3A-6K or a single KFL3B-FM or the pair for one each of the 6k and 13k 8 pole filters. Please contact me off-list. 73, Nate, N0NB -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true." Web: http://www.n0nb.us GPG key: D55A8819 GitHub: N0NB From Gary at ka1j.com Sun Aug 19 19:04:00 2018 From: Gary at ka1j.com (Gary Smith) Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2018 19:04:00 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] WWV/WWVH Closure In-Reply-To: <6cffcf07-512f-f73d-9c7f-cd604b56b166@johngalt.biz> References: <002401d437e2$64cf49b0$2e6ddd10$@net>, <5998c928-a4fc-56fc-7322-b14306d1bfea@blomand.net>, <6cffcf07-512f-f73d-9c7f-cd604b56b166@johngalt.biz> Message-ID: <5B79F760.23557.11440C0B@Gary.ka1j.com> The reason why was the original post had spaces in the URL. This is the corrected URL and a tinyurl to click on. Send that to your friend. https://tinyurl.com/y9db9vs6 It is unfortunate the original link got corrupted. Use these and you'll get there. 73, Gary KA1J > Got this from a friend who tried to sign the petition: > > > ?The confirmation email came and when I clicked on the link ,it > > says 404 page not found.? I tried five times. > > > > maybe that is why there are so few signatures? > > Ray Kruse > 73? KK4WPB > > > On 8/19/2018 2:57 PM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote: > > More info on the topic.? I view the loss of WWV, WWVH and possibly > > WWVB to have a major impact on world wide communication technology > > in many ways.? If WWVB operation is suspended, where would be the > > reference for many of our atomic clocks? > > > > 73 > > > > Bob, K4TAX > > -- > Furthermore, I believe that islam must be destroyed. > If there must be trouble, let it be in my day, that my child may have > peace.--Thomas Paine 73 KK4WPB Molon labe > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to gary at ka1j.com From n0nb at n0nb.us Sun Aug 19 19:04:24 2018 From: n0nb at n0nb.us (Nate Bargmann) Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2018 18:04:24 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft's attention to detail Message-ID: <20180819230424.o55copvn7csjlqnc@n0nb.us> I've owned my K3 for going on 8 years. Over that time I have added various modules, KAT3, module for P3 support, KSYN3A, and now the most ambitious project of them all, last night I added the KRX3 and KBPF3. I had ordered this last upgrade back in November and it sat in the box until a week ago thispast Thursday afternoon. Not only was the fitment of the new parts with each other as near perfection as it gets, so was the fitment of the parts ordered last year with a radio ordered over seven years before. Each upgrade has fit perfectly and worked without issue out of the box. My hat's off to the fine folks at Elecraft who not only designed such a high performing radio but also for being able to achieve the second goal of a kit that can be upgraded at will. Even the dreaded removal and reinstallation of the front panel went without a hitch! Other than operator error when configuring the KBPF3 as installed on the main board rather than the sub receiver, everything came up without issue. Now being able to monitor overlapping nets this morning is something I've wanted for a long time. Very nice. What really drove home Elecraft's attention to detail was when I was installing the filters into the KRX3. Comparing the five pole filters I ordered last year to the I ordered with the K3 in 2010, I found that their offsets are only 10 Hz apart. I do not recall asking for matched filters and seeing that the order processing and fulfillment departments not only had the filter information from 2010 but they also took the time and care to match filters as closely as possible impressed me enough that I just had to type this missive. I do plan on experimenting with diversity receive and Elecraft has made it possible that I can do so without having to buy matched filter sets. Job well done! 73, Nate, N0NB -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true." Web: http://www.n0nb.us GPG key: D55A8819 GitHub: N0NB From wunder at wunderwood.org Sun Aug 19 19:08:24 2018 From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood) Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2018 16:08:24 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] WWV/WWVH Closure In-Reply-To: <5B79F760.23557.11440C0B@Gary.ka1j.com> References: <002401d437e2$64cf49b0$2e6ddd10$@net> <5998c928-a4fc-56fc-7322-b14306d1bfea@blomand.net> <6cffcf07-512f-f73d-9c7f-cd604b56b166@johngalt.biz> <5B79F760.23557.11440C0B@Gary.ka1j.com> Message-ID: <12A124EF-2C7B-4A12-B26C-103156B894CE@wunderwood.org> The software in this reflector is murdering this URL. Go to change.org, search for ?wwv?, and there is only one petition that matches. wunder K6WRU Walter Underwood CM87wj http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) > On Aug 19, 2018, at 4:04 PM, Gary Smith wrote: > > The reason why was the original post had > spaces in the URL. This is the corrected > URL and a tinyurl to click on. Send that > to your friend. > > > /maintain-funding-nist-stations-wwv-wwvh> > > https://tinyurl.com/y9db9vs6 > > It is unfortunate the original link got > corrupted. Use these and you'll get there. > > 73, > > Gary > KA1J > > >> Got this from a friend who tried to sign the petition: >> >>> The confirmation email came and when I clicked on the link ,it >>> says 404 page not found. I tried five times. >>> >>> maybe that is why there are so few signatures? >> >> Ray Kruse >> 73 KK4WPB >> >> >> On 8/19/2018 2:57 PM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote: >>> More info on the topic. I view the loss of WWV, WWVH and possibly >>> WWVB to have a major impact on world wide communication technology >>> in many ways. If WWVB operation is suspended, where would be the >>> reference for many of our atomic clocks? >>> >>> 73 >>> >>> Bob, K4TAX >> >> -- >> Furthermore, I believe that islam must be destroyed. >> If there must be trouble, let it be in my day, that my child may have >> peace.--Thomas Paine 73 KK4WPB Molon labe >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to gary at ka1j.com > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wunder at wunderwood.org From Gary at ka1j.com Sun Aug 19 19:21:07 2018 From: Gary at ka1j.com (Gary Smith) Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2018 19:21:07 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft's attention to detail In-Reply-To: <20180819230424.o55copvn7csjlqnc@n0nb.us> References: <20180819230424.o55copvn7csjlqnc@n0nb.us> Message-ID: <5B79FB63.32138.1153B4B5@Gary.ka1j.com> Well said. I own a K3s and also a K3. The K3 was to go to a friend who wanted me to set it up for him. He didn't like the low serial so I gave him the K3 I built instead and I kept the K3, it is my back-up rig and if I unplug the K3s, I plug everything into the K3 exactly the same way, same cords, same connections to the P3, same everything. Point is this K3 is serial # 202 and it has every user and factory upgrade and update ever done for the K3 except for it does not have the new tuner with the bypass relay and I haven't done the KPOD mod. Everything else it is has is an upgrade making it equal to the K3s. I trust that old 10 year old K3 every bit as much as I trust this new K3s. 73, Gary KA1J > I've owned my K3 for going on 8 years. Over that time I have added > various modules, KAT3, module for P3 support, KSYN3A, and now the most > ambitious project of them all, last night I added the KRX3 and KBPF3. > I had ordered this last upgrade back in November and it sat in the box > until a week ago thispast Thursday afternoon. > > Not only was the fitment of the new parts with each other as near > perfection as it gets, so was the fitment of the parts ordered last > year with a radio ordered over seven years before. Each upgrade has > fit perfectly and worked without issue out of the box. My hat's off > to the fine folks at Elecraft who not only designed such a high > performing radio but also for being able to achieve the second goal of > a kit that can be upgraded at will. Even the dreaded removal and > reinstallation of the front panel went without a hitch! > > Other than operator error when configuring the KBPF3 as installed on > the main board rather than the sub receiver, everything came up > without issue. Now being able to monitor overlapping nets this > morning is something I've wanted for a long time. Very nice. > > What really drove home Elecraft's attention to detail was when I was > installing the filters into the KRX3. Comparing the five pole filters > I ordered last year to the I ordered with the K3 in 2010, I found that > their offsets are only 10 Hz apart. I do not recall asking for > matched filters and seeing that the order processing and fulfillment > departments not only had the filter information from 2010 but they > also took the time and care to match filters as closely as possible > impressed me enough that I just had to type this missive. I do plan > on experimenting with diversity receive and Elecraft has made it > possible that I can do so without having to buy matched filter sets. > Job well done! > > 73, Nate, N0NB > > -- > > "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all > possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true." > > Web: http://www.n0nb.us GPG key: D55A8819 GitHub: N0NB > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to gary at ka1j.com > From lists at subich.com Sun Aug 19 20:07:29 2018 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2018 20:07:29 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] WWV/WWVH Closure In-Reply-To: <12A124EF-2C7B-4A12-B26C-103156B894CE@wunderwood.org> References: <002401d437e2$64cf49b0$2e6ddd10$@net> <5998c928-a4fc-56fc-7322-b14306d1bfea@blomand.net> <6cffcf07-512f-f73d-9c7f-cd604b56b166@johngalt.biz> <5B79F760.23557.11440C0B@Gary.ka1j.com> <12A124EF-2C7B-4A12-B26C-103156B894CE@wunderwood.org> Message-ID: <09f23293-ef6c-fb0d-bad0-d2db31c74397@subich.com> > Go to change.org, search for ?wwv?, and there is only one petition > that matches. There is actually one petition on change.org and *two* petitions on whitehouse.gov right now. Sign *ALL* of them: 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 2018-08-19 7:08 PM, Walter Underwood wrote: > The software in this reflector is murdering this URL. > > Go to change.org, search for ?wwv?, and there is only one petition that matches. > > wunder > K6WRU > Walter Underwood > CM87wj > http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) > From aa4lr at arrl.net Sun Aug 19 21:32:37 2018 From: aa4lr at arrl.net (Bill Coleman) Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2018 21:32:37 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KAT100 - Reluctant to come on, K2 often displays "not inst" In-Reply-To: References: <2336AC02-9798-4F7C-866E-C82FA9B415DE@arrl.net> <89870705-4656-0083-0ac1-a2469f8a7762@embarqmail.com> <10F9E070-ABB9-41FB-BFB6-853398AC13BC@arrl.net> <9e5a1f75-f2b4-bc0b-4d58-fba815734008@embarqmail.com> <5E1E252C-82EA-4AA2-AB53-DEDE39E21D39@arrl.net> Message-ID: OK. I could use a little more help with this issue. Let?s re-cap where we are. Issue: KAT100 doesn?t always turn on right away. When it does this, it may or may not switch low/high power LEDs when the power control is rotated. Pressing Ant 1/2 or Tune, the K2 will indicate ?not inst?. Sometimes it will power up just fine. Observations: - If powered on incorrectly, the KAT100 never ?recovers? ? if the K2 doesn?t see the KAT100 at power up, it never discovers it. - Generally fails when unit is cold / not used in a while, will eventually work if turned and left on for several hours, then switched off and back on. - KAT100 is receiving power before the K2 is switched on. When the K2 is switched on the 12CTRL line on J3 pin 8 comes up immediately, and the 5V output from U8 does as well. So, power is immediately available when the K2 is switched on - When the KAT100 works, the ANT 1/2 and Low / High Power LEDs light immediately on power-on. - When the KAT100 fails, the ANT 1/2 and Low / High Power LEDs stay dark for a second or so, sometimes a few seconds - AUXBUS transitions are coming in on J3 pin 6 and make it all the way to U1 Pin 40. - I have two different interconnect cables. One is a three-way cable built exactly to the KAT100 specs, complete with jackscrews. The other is a simple two-way cable that connects Pin 1 and Pin 6-9 straight through with no jackscrews. Failure occurs with either cable. - I have reseated the U1 chip in its socket with no change in behavior. My current working theory is that there?s something in the KAT100 that prevents the U1 chip from resetting quickly. If it comes up immediately, the LEDs light and the K2 catches the unit during initialization. If its sleepy and doesn?t come up right away, it misses the opportunity to initialize and the K2 doesn?t know it is there. I think the antenna tuner and the low/high power indication are done in two separate initialization steps, because sometimes the KAT100 will respond to turning the power knob, and sometimes it won?t when the Ant 1/2 / Tune always responds with ?not inst?. Nothing else in the K2 apparently suffers from any AUXBUS failures, all the other units - SSB, NB, DSP, KPA100 always come up right away. This makes me think the issue isn?t with the K2, but perhaps with the KAT100 alone. Anyone have suggestions? I?d really like to make my K2/100 with KAT100 a reliable rig again. I don?t want to have to power it up a day before I want to use it. > On Aug 7, 2018, at 1:57 PM, Bill Coleman wrote: > > Sadly, I have no old PIC chips for the KAT100 in my inventory. It came out of the box with the 1.04 firmware (which isn?t the latest, but I don?t have the K60XV, either.) > > I do have a second DB9 cable I can try, if I can find it. > >> On Aug 6, 2018, at 7:05 AM, Bill Coleman wrote: >> >> I pulled out the KAT100 PIC chip and re-inserted. No change. >> >> I can confirm that transition ARE reaching Pin 40 on the KAT100 PIC chip. I see roughly three bursts. Two come shortly after turn-on, the third comes a second later. >> >> I think you?d need a storage scope or logic analyzer to reverse engineer the AUXBUS. I don?t have that kind of equipment available. >> >> >>> On Aug 5, 2018, at 7:02 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: >>> >>> Bill, >>> >>> If it were a bad PIC chip, the results would be consistent. Reseat the KAT100 firmware Ic to clear away oxidation. >>> Look for a flaky connection on the Control cable - at both ends. >>> >>> There is not much that you can diagnose with a 'scope other than to determine that the chip is getting transitions to it. >>> If you want to reverse engineer the K2 AUXBUS, then you could make some determination of the AUXBUS correctness, but that is a difficult exercise in futility IMHO. >>> >>> 73, >>> Don W3FPR >>> >>> On 8/5/2018 5:36 PM, Bill Coleman wrote: >>>> Jack screws appear to be tight on both ends. >>>> >>>> After I cycle the power 6-12 times, it will eventually come up. I wonder if I have a bad PIC chip in the KAT100. I may try an older version of the firmware, I think I have one. That will take a few days. >>>> >>>> I can put a scope on Pin 40 of the PIC chip. I see transitions. Anything I can diagnose with a scope? >>>> >>>> Bill Coleman, AA4LR, PP-ASEL Mail: aa4lr at arrl.net Web: http://boringhamradiopart.blogspot.com Quote: "Not within a thousand years will man ever fly!" -- Wilbur Wright, 1901 From scott.manthe at gmail.com Sun Aug 19 22:09:39 2018 From: scott.manthe at gmail.com (Scott Manthe) Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2018 22:09:39 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 DX Message-ID: <436f4ca1-377b-3075-786f-9d914eb495fb@gmail.com> Just worked TX5T on 14.028 with 5 watts on the KX3. I don't usually brag, but this was a nice QRP contact. 73, Scott N9AA From Peter at w2irt.net Mon Aug 20 00:09:09 2018 From: Peter at w2irt.net (Peter Dougherty) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2018 00:09:09 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 PSU mounting position Message-ID: <004401d4383b$8c21ac70$a4650550$@net> Hi All, My KPA-1500 arrived over the weekend and I've not gotten a chance yet to set it up. In looking at both the amp and the power supply I noticed both have carrying handles and rubber feet. Are these rubber feet just there for transporting the untis, or can the power supply actually be run vertically with equal efficiency and cooling as it would be horizontally? If so, that would fit my operating desk perfectly. ---------------------------------------------------- Thanks in advance. Regards, Peter W2IRT From ernie at netvision.net.il Mon Aug 20 00:38:53 2018 From: ernie at netvision.net.il (TL_Netvision) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2018 07:38:53 +0300 Subject: [Elecraft] Utilities on Linux Message-ID: <001101d4383f$b2cb4cb0$1861e610$@netvision.net.il> Hello all, I want to install the K3, KPA500, KAT500 & P3 utilities on a Linux mint-18.4 computer. Any detailed guidelines will be much appreciated. TIA, Isaac, 4Z1TL --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From k3wjv at yahoo.com Mon Aug 20 01:02:37 2018 From: k3wjv at yahoo.com (Bill Stravinsky) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2018 05:02:37 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 PSU mounting position In-Reply-To: <004401d4383b$8c21ac70$a4650550$@net> References: <004401d4383b$8c21ac70$a4650550$@net> Message-ID: <1166419430.10812779.1534741357237@mail.yahoo.com> Yup, you can run the power supply vertically just fine. BillK3WJV On Monday, August 20, 2018, 12:12:16 AM EDT, Peter Dougherty wrote: Hi All, My KPA-1500 arrived over the weekend and I've not gotten a chance yet to set it up. In looking at both the amp and the power supply I noticed both have carrying handles and rubber feet. Are these rubber feet just there for transporting the untis, or can the power supply actually be run vertically with equal efficiency and cooling as it would be horizontally? If so, that would fit my operating desk perfectly. ---------------------------------------------------- Thanks in advance. Regards, Peter W2IRT ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to k3wjv at yahoo.com From n7xy at n7xy.net Mon Aug 20 02:41:20 2018 From: n7xy at n7xy.net (Bob Nielsen, N7XY) Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2018 23:41:20 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Bluetooth latency and CW reception In-Reply-To: References: <85d8bd48-4701-ca90-39f3-2089abe696e1@n7xy.net> Message-ID: <298cc8cb-aa0f-2f27-13c0-53c0762fdff8@n7xy.net> Thanks for that reply Phil.? Actually I also have Phonak hearing aids and a ComPilot II.? I will give that a try after I get my new K3S installed within the next few days. I have only had the hearing aids for a few weeks but the improvement has exceeded my expectations. 73, Bob N7XY On 8/19/18 11:40 AM, Phil Kane wrote: > On 8/17/2018 10:40 PM, Bob Nielsen, N7XY wrote: > >> Like many of us of a certain age, I have started wearing hearing aids > Welcome to the club. > >> Has anyone been able to use a bluetooth connection (such as bluetooth >> headphones) successfully on CW? > My hearing aid devices (Phonax Audeo) use an around-the-neck pendant > adapter (Phonax ComPilot II) that does BT to and from my cell-phone but > couples to the hearing aid devices inductively. It has a 3.5 mm jack > that will feed external audio to the induction system as well. Standard > 3.5 mm M-M patch cord from the headphone lack on the radio or the > computer puts the audio sounds into my ears with no noticeable latency > problems, as tested with my K2. They also make a BT adapter for > across-the-room TV sound use but I have never tried it because I have no > need for that. > > Enjoy hearing again. > > 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane > Elecraft K2/100 s/n 5402 > > From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest > Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n7xy at n7xy.net From stringmike1 at gmail.com Mon Aug 20 05:00:31 2018 From: stringmike1 at gmail.com (michaelstringfellow) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2018 02:00:31 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Bluetooth latency and CW reception In-Reply-To: <85d8bd48-4701-ca90-39f3-2089abe696e1@n7xy.net> References: <85d8bd48-4701-ca90-39f3-2089abe696e1@n7xy.net> Message-ID: <1534755631707-0.post@n2.nabble.com> I am also hearing impaired, but like to use a headset with microphone. My hearing aids just didn?t work with my favorite headset, but I discovered a work-around. I used the K3 audio receive settings to boost the frequencies required. For CW, I applied essentially a lot of gain to amplify my preferred sidetone frequency (~800 Hz) and for SSB I applied gain to frequencies required for speech recognition and attenuation to others ( a technique I borrowed from MFJ?s audio speech enhancer). With these adjustments, I can operate without hearing aids. Mike -- Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ From jpc-radio at outlook.com Mon Aug 20 06:58:29 2018 From: jpc-radio at outlook.com (J Chester) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2018 10:58:29 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 DX In-Reply-To: <436f4ca1-377b-3075-786f-9d914eb495fb@gmail.com> References: <436f4ca1-377b-3075-786f-9d914eb495fb@gmail.com> Message-ID: Scott, I don't usually brag either, but this is not about me, rather my KX3. On Saturday morning last, on 14.221, I worked a pileup while activating Porthcawl Lighthouse for the first time during International Lighthouse and Lightship Weekend. I was scribbling down QSOs at a rate of one a minute at one point. The sea water take off clearly helped. KX3, 10W, SSB, Buddipole horizontal 20m dipole at 5m height. Outstanding performance from this kit (and in the rain too!) 73 de Joe MW1MWD > On 20 Aug 2018, at 03:09, Scott Manthe wrote: > > Just worked TX5T on 14.028 with 5 watts on the KX3. I don't usually brag, but this was a nice QRP contact. > > 73, > Scott > N9AA > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to jpc-radio at outlook.com From n0nb at n0nb.us Mon Aug 20 07:23:08 2018 From: n0nb at n0nb.us (Nate Bargmann) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2018 06:23:08 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Utilities on Linux In-Reply-To: <001101d4383f$b2cb4cb0$1861e610$@netvision.net.il> References: <001101d4383f$b2cb4cb0$1861e610$@netvision.net.il> Message-ID: <20180820112308.ufayyf4px6daw7h3@n0nb.us> * On 2018 19 Aug 23:40 -0500, TL_Netvision wrote: > Hello all, > > > > I want to install the K3, KPA500, KAT500 & P3 utilities on a Linux > mint-18.4 computer. > > Any detailed guidelines will be much appreciated. Is your installation of the amd64 architecture? On Mint the following should work: $ dpkg --print-architecture amd64 Also, there is the 'arch' command. If either command returns 'amd64', you may follow the steps I noted on my blog: https://www.n0nb.us/blog/2016/07/running-electraft-utilities-on-linux-amd64-and-multiarch/ If either command returns 'i386' or 'i686', thne your system is 32 bit and the utilities will run directly. A couple of additional packages will be required for complete functionality. As I recently enabled multilib on Slackware, I should document that as well. HTH, 73, Nate, N0NB -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true." Web: http://www.n0nb.us GPG key: D55A8819 GitHub: N0NB From pincon at erols.com Mon Aug 20 07:54:16 2018 From: pincon at erols.com (Charlie T) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2018 07:54:16 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 DX In-Reply-To: <436f4ca1-377b-3075-786f-9d914eb495fb@gmail.com> References: <436f4ca1-377b-3075-786f-9d914eb495fb@gmail.com> Message-ID: <000c01d4387c$88982700$99c87500$@erols.com> Admittedly, the Rx plays a part, but the ham on the other end of your signal can't tell the difference between a KX3 and a 6AQ5. As the saying goes, "Five watts is five watts". I think what you're actually saying is that you're amazed at what can be accomplished at QRP power levels. Remember, if you are being received at 20 dB over S9 while running a kilowatt, you'll still be S5 at 100 milliwatts. 73, Charlie k3ICH -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of Scott Manthe Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2018 10:10 PM To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 DX Just worked TX5T on 14.028 with 5 watts on the KX3. I don't usually brag, but this was a nice QRP contact. 73, Scott N9AA ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to pincon at erols.com From edauer at law.du.edu Mon Aug 20 09:33:57 2018 From: edauer at law.du.edu (Dauer, Edward) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2018 13:33:57 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 PSU mounting position Message-ID: <63AD2B7E-48BC-403B-B94B-EA67058BA9D3@law.du.edu> Before mine arrived a few weeks ago I put exactly that question to Elecraft Support. The reply was that there would be no problem mounting the PS vertically, so long as the air clearances are observed for the air flow -- I believe it's three inches at the top and at the rear, but the manual is pretty clear on that. I've mounted mine that way. When sitting on its side the On-Off switch is conveniently near the top-rear edge. Works FB. Ted, KN1CBR ------------------------------ Message: 21 Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2018 00:09:09 -0400 From: "Peter Dougherty" To: Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 PSU mounting position Message-ID: <004401d4383b$8c21ac70$a4650550$@net> Hi All, My KPA-1500 arrived over the weekend and I've not gotten a chance yet to set it up. In looking at both the amp and the power supply I noticed both have carrying handles and rubber feet. Are these rubber feet just there for transporting the untis, or can the power supply actually be run vertically with equal efficiency and cooling as it would be horizontally? If so, that would fit my operating desk perfectly. ---------------------------------------------------- Thanks in advance. Regards, Peter W2IRT From wa4aip at gmail.com Mon Aug 20 09:58:21 2018 From: wa4aip at gmail.com (John Altman) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2018 08:58:21 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] =?utf-8?q?WWV_PETITION__=E2=80=94_send_to_ARRL?= Message-ID: The ARRL has MORE than a 100,000 members! I have forwarded the petition to the ARRL for membership action. You may want to do the same! John K-LINE WA4AIP ARRL Life Member Sent from my iPad PRO From n0nb at n0nb.us Mon Aug 20 10:28:34 2018 From: n0nb at n0nb.us (Nate Bargmann) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2018 09:28:34 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] =?utf-8?q?WWV_PETITION_=E2=80=94_send_to_ARRL?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20180820142834.d3uivjnmkolijnk6@n0nb.us> * On 2018 20 Aug 08:59 -0500, John Altman wrote: > The ARRL has MORE than a 100,000 members! > > I have forwarded the petition to the ARRL for membership action. The League is already well aware of this per Midwest Division Director Rod, K0DAS, who spoke at the Kansas Convention yesterday. He said that right now the understanding is that the House and the Senate have both passed budget bills and that the bill is in the budget reconciliation committee. They [HQ] are looking at which of those committee members they can work with on this. My humble suggestion is that anyone whose senators or representatives are on the budget reconciliation committee to contact them. 73, Nate, N0NB -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true." Web: http://www.n0nb.us GPG key: D55A8819 GitHub: N0NB From n8hm at arrl.net Mon Aug 20 10:36:30 2018 From: n8hm at arrl.net (Paul Stoetzer) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2018 10:36:30 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] =?utf-8?q?WWV_PETITION_=E2=80=94_send_to_ARRL?= In-Reply-To: <20180820142834.d3uivjnmkolijnk6@n0nb.us> References: <20180820142834.d3uivjnmkolijnk6@n0nb.us> Message-ID: Remember that Congress has completely rejected the President's budget and has generally set funding levels far higher than requested, especially for agencies involved in science and research, like NIST. In this case, the House and Senate appropriations bills have funding levels for this account that are nearly $150 million higher than NIST requested. That makes a shutdown of WWV services unlike in FY 2019 as they won't need to make cuts to deal with a reduced budget. Specifically, while NIST requested $573,429,000 for Scientific and Technical Research and Services in FY 2019, the House Commerce, Justice, and Science appropriations bill gives them $720,000,000 (https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/5952/text). The Senate version of the legislation gives them $724,500,000 (https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/senate-bill/3072/text). It's certainly worth it to make our voices heard that we want these services to continue, but there is little actual danger of them being shut down over the next year. 73, Paul, N8HM On Mon, Aug 20, 2018 at 10:29 AM Nate Bargmann wrote: > > * On 2018 20 Aug 08:59 -0500, John Altman wrote: > > The ARRL has MORE than a 100,000 members! > > > > I have forwarded the petition to the ARRL for membership action. > > The League is already well aware of this per Midwest Division Director > Rod, K0DAS, who spoke at the Kansas Convention yesterday. He said that > right now the understanding is that the House and the Senate have both > passed budget bills and that the bill is in the budget reconciliation > committee. They [HQ] are looking at which of those committee members > they can work with on this. > > My humble suggestion is that anyone whose senators or representatives > are on the budget reconciliation committee to contact them. > > 73, Nate, N0NB > > -- > > "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all > possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true." > > Web: http://www.n0nb.us GPG key: D55A8819 GitHub: N0NB > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n8hm at arrl.net From KY5G at montac.com Mon Aug 20 10:37:57 2018 From: KY5G at montac.com (Clay Autery) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2018 09:37:57 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 DX In-Reply-To: <000c01d4387c$88982700$99c87500$@erols.com> Message-ID: What you just posted is a combination of fact, fiction, and oversimplification. I can absolutely discern the difference between signals received from better and lesser transceivers if the disparity in transmitted signal quality is sufficiently large. Conversely, I am routinely complimented of the "clean" quality of the signals I send and the fidelity maintained in them from folks that have no idea what my equipment is. Not ALL 5 watt transmissions are created equally....? that can be demonstrated both qualitatively as well as quantitatively. Some transceivers are superior to others.? Tyat is a simple fact.? Even with two identical transceivers, one then must consider proper calibration, setup, and ancilliary equipment....? power supply, microphone (huge potential diff especially in concert with pre-processing of signal put into transceiver front end), grounding, and then of course....? the ANTENNA SYSTEM composed of everything from the antenna connector to the tip(s) of the radiator(s) and return paths. 5 watts into a dummy load is most definitely not the same as 5 watts into a practically perfect radiating system.... Even into 2 practically perfect radiating systems, ground, elevation, et al. come into play.... Enough of that...? point made... To the OP....Great QRP contact, N9AA....? keep it up, Scott! 73,Clay, KY5G Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone -------- Original message --------From: Charlie T Date: 8/20/18 06:54 (GMT-06:00) To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 DX Admittedly, the Rx plays a part, but the ham on the other end of your signal can't tell the difference between a KX3 and a 6AQ5. As the saying goes, "Five watts is five watts". I think what you're actually saying is that you're amazed at what can be accomplished at QRP power levels. Remember, if you are being received at 20 dB over S9 while running a kilowatt, you'll still be S5 at 100 milliwatts. 73, Charlie k3ICH -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of Scott Manthe Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2018 10:10 PM To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 DX Just worked TX5T on 14.028 with 5 watts on the KX3. I don't usually brag, but this was a nice QRP contact. 73, Scott N9AA From johnae5x at gmail.com Mon Aug 20 11:32:53 2018 From: johnae5x at gmail.com (John Harper) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2018 10:32:53 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] WWV/WWVH Closure Message-ID: What is the justification for continued funding of WWV? Hasn't it been obsoleted (if that's a verb) by GPS as far as being a time and freq standard? John AE5X https://ae5x.blogspot.com From bill at wjschmidt.com Mon Aug 20 11:36:44 2018 From: bill at wjschmidt.com (Dr. William J. Schmidt) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2018 10:36:44 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] WWV/WWVH Closure In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <13bd01d4389b$99ebf0d0$cdc3d270$@wjschmidt.com> Well let's start with all of those self-setting watches and wall clocks... and then the propagation information that is broadcast. Does GPS do that? Dr. William J. Schmidt - K9HZ J68HZ 8P6HK ZF2HZ PJ4/K9HZ VP5/K9HZ PJ2/K9HZ Owner - Operator Big Signal Ranch ? K9ZC Staunton, Illinois Owner ? Operator Villa Grand Piton ? J68HZ Soufriere, St. Lucia W.I. Rent it: www.VillaGrandPiton.com Like us on Facebook! Moderator ? North American QRO Group at Groups.IO. email:? bill at wjschmidt.com -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of John Harper Sent: Monday, August 20, 2018 10:33 AM To: Elecraft list Subject: [Elecraft] WWV/WWVH Closure What is the justification for continued funding of WWV? Hasn't it been obsoleted (if that's a verb) by GPS as far as being a time and freq standard? John AE5X https://ae5x.blogspot.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to bill at wjschmidt.com --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com From johnae5x at gmail.com Mon Aug 20 11:40:56 2018 From: johnae5x at gmail.com (John Harper) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2018 10:40:56 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] WWV/WWVH Closure In-Reply-To: <13bd01d4389b$99ebf0d0$cdc3d270$@wjschmidt.com> References: <13bd01d4389b$99ebf0d0$cdc3d270$@wjschmidt.com> Message-ID: Yes. https://www.qrp-labs.com/clockn.html https://www.runnersworld.com/gear/a20827055/advanced-gps-watches-for-runners/ and more. Watches and clocks as "justification" for continued WWV broadcasts is laughable. John AE5X https://ae5x.blogspot.com On Mon, Aug 20, 2018 at 10:36 AM Dr. William J. Schmidt wrote: > Well let's start with all of those self-setting watches and wall clocks... > and then the propagation information that is broadcast. Does GPS do that? > > > Dr. William J. Schmidt - K9HZ J68HZ 8P6HK ZF2HZ PJ4/K9HZ VP5/K9HZ PJ2/K9HZ > > Owner - Operator > Big Signal Ranch ? K9ZC > Staunton, Illinois > > Owner ? Operator > Villa Grand Piton ? J68HZ > Soufriere, St. Lucia W.I. > Rent it: www.VillaGrandPiton.com > Like us on Facebook! > > Moderator ? North American QRO Group at Groups.IO. > > email: bill at wjschmidt.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net > [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of John Harper > Sent: Monday, August 20, 2018 10:33 AM > To: Elecraft list > Subject: [Elecraft] WWV/WWVH Closure > > What is the justification for continued funding of WWV? Hasn't it been > obsoleted (if that's a verb) by GPS as far as being a time and freq > standard? > > John AE5X > https://ae5x.blogspot.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message > delivered to bill at wjschmidt.com > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. > https://www.avg.com > > From ki4d at arrl.net Mon Aug 20 11:46:16 2018 From: ki4d at arrl.net (KI4D) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2018 11:46:16 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] WWV/WWVH Closure In-Reply-To: <13bd01d4389b$99ebf0d0$cdc3d270$@wjschmidt.com> References: <13bd01d4389b$99ebf0d0$cdc3d270$@wjschmidt.com> Message-ID: <01b201d4389c$eee00760$cca01620$@arrl.net> And it is a cheap backup for frequency and timing due to GPS lost or scrambled due to military actions. Don, KI4D -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Dr. William J. Schmidt Sent: Monday, August 20, 2018 11:37 AM To: 'Elecraft Reflector' Cc: 'John Harper' Subject: Re: [Elecraft] WWV/WWVH Closure Well let's start with all of those self-setting watches and wall clocks... and then the propagation information that is broadcast. Does GPS do that? Dr. William J. Schmidt - K9HZ J68HZ 8P6HK ZF2HZ PJ4/K9HZ VP5/K9HZ PJ2/K9HZ Owner - Operator Big Signal Ranch ? K9ZC Staunton, Illinois Owner ? Operator Villa Grand Piton ? J68HZ Soufriere, St. Lucia W.I. Rent it: www.VillaGrandPiton.com Like us on Facebook! Moderator ? North American QRO Group at Groups.IO. email:? bill at wjschmidt.com -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of John Harper Sent: Monday, August 20, 2018 10:33 AM To: Elecraft list Subject: [Elecraft] WWV/WWVH Closure What is the justification for continued funding of WWV? Hasn't it been obsoleted (if that's a verb) by GPS as far as being a time and freq standard? John AE5X https://ae5x.blogspot.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to bill at wjschmidt.com --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ki4d at arrl.net From dale at ldeo.columbia.edu Mon Aug 20 11:48:36 2018 From: dale at ldeo.columbia.edu (Dale Chayes) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2018 11:48:36 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] WWV/WWVH Closure In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6630CB9D-8FC9-4E74-9513-6743EB4FEDB8@ldeo.columbia.edu> > On Aug 20, 2018, at 11:32 , John Harper wrote: > > What is the justification for continued funding of WWV? Hasn't it been > obsoleted (if that's a verb) by GPS as far as being a time and freq > standard? Here is (are?) my two cents: I think this is a significant mistake for at least two big picture reasons: 1) There are still many devices (notably standalone clocks and watches) that set time from these signals, and 2) it is the only global tool w/ have to maintain a reasonable approximation of ?correct? time in the event of a GPS failure which _will_ happen some day (ref: Normal Accidents by Perrow- see below) and one small-picture reason: they are a stable, reliable ways to check propagation and HF receiver system performance. Nothing wrong with beacons, but these frequencies are easy to remember ;-) Never mind for the nostalgic value. With regard to #2, I was personally impacted by two failures during the experimental phase of GPS: - ground control uploaded ephemeris data with a ?zero? for orbit altitude, all receivers that didn?t crash on math errors produced a position at the center of the ellipsoid, and - the (very limited) constellation orbit inclinations were changed and our rise time predictions were so far off we did not find any satellites to track To the best of my knowledge we haven?t seen any blunders of this scale since the system went into normal operation but eventually we be impacted by either a similar blunder or a successful hack. Normal Accidents, Living with High Risk Technologies by Charles Perrow, 1999 (yeah, old but still true and the book is widely available.) ISBN 9781400828494 -Dale KB1ZKD > > John AE5X > https://ae5x.blogspot.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to dale at ldeo.columbia.edu From kengkopp at gmail.com Mon Aug 20 11:49:41 2018 From: kengkopp at gmail.com (Ken G Kopp) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2018 09:49:41 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: WWV/WWVH Closure Message-ID: John, you're simply incorrect. Our house has a number of WWVB synched clocks, as do many, many thousands of others. On Mon, Aug 20, 2018, 09:41 John Harper wrote: > Yes. > https://www.qrp-labs.com/clockn.html > > https://www.runnersworld.com/gear/a20827055/advanced-gps-watches-for-runners/ > > and more. > > Watches and clocks as "justification" for continued WWV broadcasts is > laughable. > > John AE5X > https://ae5x.blogspot.com > > > > On Mon, Aug 20, 2018 at 10:36 AM Dr. William J. Schmidt < > bill at wjschmidt.com> > wrote: > > > Well let's start with all of those self-setting watches and wall > clocks... > > and then the propagation information that is broadcast. Does GPS do > that? > > > > > > Dr. William J. Schmidt - K9HZ J68HZ 8P6HK ZF2HZ PJ4/K9HZ VP5/K9HZ > PJ2/K9HZ > > > > Owner - Operator > > Big Signal Ranch ? K9ZC > > Staunton, Illinois > > > > Owner ? Operator > > Villa Grand Piton ? J68HZ > > Soufriere, St. Lucia W.I. > > Rent it: www.VillaGrandPiton.com > > Like us on Facebook! > > > > Moderator ? North American QRO Group at Groups.IO. > > > > email: bill at wjschmidt.com > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net > > [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of John Harper > > Sent: Monday, August 20, 2018 10:33 AM > > To: Elecraft list > > Subject: [Elecraft] WWV/WWVH Closure > > > > What is the justification for continued funding of WWV? Hasn't it been > > obsoleted (if that's a verb) by GPS as far as being a time and freq > > standard? > > > > John AE5X > > https://ae5x.blogspot.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message > > delivered to bill at wjschmidt.com > > > > > > --- > > This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. > > https://www.avg.com > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to kengkopp at gmail.com From wunder at wunderwood.org Mon Aug 20 11:50:47 2018 From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2018 08:50:47 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] WWV/WWVH Closure In-Reply-To: <13bd01d4389b$99ebf0d0$cdc3d270$@wjschmidt.com> References: <13bd01d4389b$99ebf0d0$cdc3d270$@wjschmidt.com> Message-ID: The clocks I know about use WWVB (VLF), not WWV or WWVH (both HF). WWVB transmits at 60 kHz with 70 kW. wunder K6WRU Walter Underwood CM87wj http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) > On Aug 20, 2018, at 8:36 AM, Dr. William J. Schmidt wrote: > > Well let's start with all of those self-setting watches and wall clocks... > and then the propagation information that is broadcast. Does GPS do that? > > > Dr. William J. Schmidt - K9HZ J68HZ 8P6HK ZF2HZ PJ4/K9HZ VP5/K9HZ PJ2/K9HZ > > Owner - Operator > Big Signal Ranch ? K9ZC > Staunton, Illinois > > Owner ? Operator > Villa Grand Piton ? J68HZ > Soufriere, St. Lucia W.I. > Rent it: www.VillaGrandPiton.com > Like us on Facebook! > > Moderator ? North American QRO Group at Groups.IO. > > email: bill at wjschmidt.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net > [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of John Harper > Sent: Monday, August 20, 2018 10:33 AM > To: Elecraft list > Subject: [Elecraft] WWV/WWVH Closure > > What is the justification for continued funding of WWV? Hasn't it been > obsoleted (if that's a verb) by GPS as far as being a time and freq > standard? > > John AE5X > https://ae5x.blogspot.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message > delivered to bill at wjschmidt.com > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. > https://www.avg.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wunder at wunderwood.org From n6kr at elecraft.com Mon Aug 20 11:53:22 2018 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2018 08:53:22 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] WWV/WWVH Closure In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9268255E-7293-4CBF-AEBC-0A5B4184810C@elecraft.com> Personal note.... Ever since I home-brewed my first receiver when I was 15, I've used WWV at multiple frequencies as a source of reliable on-air test signals. My early receivers used simple direct-conversion schemes based on JFETs (remember the MPF102?). Get the details wrong, and you'd hear WWV whether you were tuned to it or not, thanks to what I now know was IP2 (AM breakthrough). Do it right, and you'd be rewarded with those undulating time-tones: minimalist, almost musical. Something Phillip Glass would pipe into his sensory-deprevation tank. Oh, and you could set your watch to it. These days I still tune into WWV to check VFO calibration, set clocks in the field, and get an approximation of the MUF (Maximum usable frequency). When propagation is good, even the 20.000000 MHz signal soars across the aether, a faithful and tireless chronological savant. Losing it would be a tragedy, but a nerdy one, not Greek. Wayne N6KR From dereksbrown at att.net Mon Aug 20 12:06:50 2018 From: dereksbrown at att.net (Derek Brown) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2018 12:06:50 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Quick Messages Message-ID: I was using the CW memories in my KX3 yesterday during the NJ QRP Skeeter Hunt. To play the messages I used the standard two button sequence (MSG + Message #). I seem to recall that there might be a shortcut whereby I only need to press one button. Am I imagining that or does it exist? If so, how and, if not please tell me that too. Derek, WF4I Sent from my iPhone From johnae5x at gmail.com Mon Aug 20 12:10:06 2018 From: johnae5x at gmail.com (John Harper) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2018 11:10:06 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: WWV/WWVH Closure In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I'm wearing an "atomic watch" as we speak and have two such clocks as well. A few years ago I had a 4:3 Sony Trinitron tv. It was obsoleted by newer better technology and I now have a 16:9 ratio TV just like you do. The clock/watch argument in the age of GPS, network and cellular time sync is a valid argument only to geeks, of which I am one, thanks (in part) to my Casio watch. On Mon, Aug 20, 2018, 10:49 AM Ken G Kopp wrote: > John, you're simply incorrect. Our house has a number of WWVB synched > clocks, as do many, many thousands of others. > > On Mon, Aug 20, 2018, 09:41 John Harper wrote: > >> Yes. >> https://www.qrp-labs.com/clockn.html >> >> https://www.runnersworld.com/gear/a20827055/advanced-gps-watches-for-runners/ >> >> and more. >> >> Watches and clocks as "justification" for continued WWV broadcasts is >> laughable. >> >> John AE5X >> https://ae5x.blogspot.com >> >> >> >> On Mon, Aug 20, 2018 at 10:36 AM Dr. William J. Schmidt < >> bill at wjschmidt.com> >> wrote: >> >> > Well let's start with all of those self-setting watches and wall >> clocks... >> > and then the propagation information that is broadcast. Does GPS do >> that? >> > >> > >> > Dr. William J. Schmidt - K9HZ J68HZ 8P6HK ZF2HZ PJ4/K9HZ VP5/K9HZ >> PJ2/K9HZ >> > >> > Owner - Operator >> > Big Signal Ranch ? K9ZC >> > Staunton, Illinois >> > >> > Owner ? Operator >> > Villa Grand Piton ? J68HZ >> > Soufriere, St. Lucia W.I. >> > Rent it: www.VillaGrandPiton.com >> > Like us on Facebook! >> > >> > Moderator ? North American QRO Group at Groups.IO. >> > >> > email: bill at wjschmidt.com >> > >> > >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net >> > [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of John Harper >> > Sent: Monday, August 20, 2018 10:33 AM >> > To: Elecraft list >> > Subject: [Elecraft] WWV/WWVH Closure >> > >> > What is the justification for continued funding of WWV? Hasn't it been >> > obsoleted (if that's a verb) by GPS as far as being a time and freq >> > standard? >> > >> > John AE5X >> > https://ae5x.blogspot.com >> > ______________________________________________________________ >> > Elecraft mailing list >> > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> > >> > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> > Message >> > delivered to bill at wjschmidt.com >> > >> > >> > --- >> > This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. >> > https://www.avg.com >> > >> > >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to kengkopp at gmail.com > > From K2TK at ptd.net Mon Aug 20 12:19:12 2018 From: K2TK at ptd.net (Bob) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2018 12:19:12 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 PSU mounting position In-Reply-To: <63AD2B7E-48BC-403B-B94B-EA67058BA9D3@law.du.edu> References: <63AD2B7E-48BC-403B-B94B-EA67058BA9D3@law.du.edu> Message-ID: <6483d5b3-9b66-f5d5-3cb8-de9dd8400ccd@ptd.net> Well maybe this requires a reply from Elecraft. They seem to be furnishing conflicting information on this. I asked that question and here is the reply I received: Elecraft: Placement of the power supply can be anywhere within the 5.5 ft distance of the power supply cable and control cables, both of which are 5.5 ft. Air passing through the power supply is from left to right in a horizontal manner. This means that it will not work properly standing on its side. Seems logical that setting it on the side would restrict the air flow severely. I'd have liked to place mine vertically on its side but did not based on this. Mine sits under the desk on a riser so I did not lose foot space. I did not require easy access to the switch as I totally kill the equipment circuits in the shack at shutdown. 73, Bob K2TK ex KN2TKR (1956) & K2TKR On 8/20/2018 9:33 AM, Dauer, Edward wrote: > Before mine arrived a few weeks ago I put exactly that question to Elecraft Support. The reply was that there would be no problem mounting the PS vertically, so long as the air clearances are observed for the air flow -- I believe it's three inches at the top and at the rear, but the manual is pretty clear on that. I've mounted mine that way. When sitting on its side the On-Off switch is conveniently near the top-rear edge. Works FB. > > Ted, KN1CBR > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 21 > Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2018 00:09:09 -0400 > From: "Peter Dougherty" > To: > Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 PSU mounting position > Message-ID: <004401d4383b$8c21ac70$a4650550$@net> > > Hi All, > My KPA-1500 arrived over the weekend and I've not gotten a chance yet to set it > up. In looking at both the amp and the power supply I noticed both have carrying > handles and rubber feet. Are these rubber feet just there for transporting the > untis, or can the power supply actually be run vertically with equal efficiency > and cooling as it would be horizontally? If so, that would fit my operating desk > perfectly. > > ---------------------------------------------------- > > Thanks in advance. > Regards, > Peter W2IRT From pincon at erols.com Mon Aug 20 12:34:23 2018 From: pincon at erols.com (Charlie T) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2018 12:34:23 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 DX In-Reply-To: <20180820143855.25C5F149B4D1@mailman.qth.net> References: <000c01d4387c$88982700$99c87500$@erols.com> <20180820143855.25C5F149B4D1@mailman.qth.net> Message-ID: <004401d438a3$aa822e70$ff868b50$@erols.com> OK I'll give you that. A 592 signal WILL in fact, sound different from a 599 signal. Chas -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of Clay Autery Sent: Monday, August 20, 2018 10:38 AM To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 DX What you just posted is a combination of fact, fiction, and oversimplification. I can absolutely discern the difference between signals received from better and lesser transceivers if the disparity in transmitted signal quality is sufficiently large. Conversely, I am routinely complimented of the "clean" quality of the signals I send and the fidelity maintained in them from folks that have no idea what my equipment is. Not ALL 5 watt transmissions are created equally.... that can be demonstrated both qualitatively as well as quantitatively. Some transceivers are superior to others. Tyat is a simple fact. Even with two identical transceivers, one then must consider proper calibration, setup, and ancilliary equipment.... power supply, microphone (huge potential diff especially in concert with pre-processing of signal put into transceiver front end), grounding, and then of course.... the ANTENNA SYSTEM composed of everything from the antenna connector to the tip(s) of the radiator(s) and return paths. 5 watts into a dummy load is most definitely not the same as 5 watts into a practically perfect radiating system.... Even into 2 practically perfect radiating systems, ground, elevation, et al. come into play.... Enough of that... point made... To the OP....Great QRP contact, N9AA.... keep it up, Scott! 73,Clay, KY5G Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone -------- Original message --------From: Charlie T Date: 8/20/18 06:54 (GMT-06:00) To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 DX Admittedly, the Rx plays a part, but the ham on the other end of your signal can't tell the difference between a KX3 and a 6AQ5. As the saying goes, "Five watts is five watts". I think what you're actually saying is that you're amazed at what can be accomplished at QRP power levels. Remember, if you are being received at 20 dB over S9 while running a kilowatt, you'll still be S5 at 100 milliwatts. 73, Charlie k3ICH -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of Scott Manthe Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2018 10:10 PM To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 DX Just worked TX5T on 14.028 with 5 watts on the KX3. I don't usually brag, but this was a nice QRP contact. 73, Scott N9AA ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to pincon at erols.com From pincon at erols.com Mon Aug 20 12:45:13 2018 From: pincon at erols.com (Charlie T) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2018 12:45:13 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] WWV/WWVH Closure In-Reply-To: <9268255E-7293-4CBF-AEBC-0A5B4184810C@elecraft.com> References: <9268255E-7293-4CBF-AEBC-0A5B4184810C@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <004501d438a5$2dca77f0$895f67d0$@erols.com> Yeah, I'd miss them, BUT, my little Elecraft hand-held XG3 sig gen is pretty handy for that too . Also, I don't believe funding for the 60kHz sig was ever at risk and THAT's what your (antique) watch uses. 73, Charlie k3ICH -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of Wayne Burdick Sent: Monday, August 20, 2018 11:53 AM To: Elecraft Reflector Subject: Re: [Elecraft] WWV/WWVH Closure Personal note.... Ever since I home-brewed my first receiver when I was 15, I've used WWV at multiple frequencies as a source of reliable on-air test signals. My early receivers used simple direct-conversion schemes based on JFETs (remember the MPF102?). Get the details wrong, and you'd hear WWV whether you were tuned to it or not, thanks to what I now know was IP2 (AM breakthrough). Do it right, and you'd be rewarded with those undulating time-tones: minimalist, almost musical. Something Phillip Glass would pipe into his sensory-deprevation tank. Oh, and you could set your watch to it. These days I still tune into WWV to check VFO calibration, set clocks in the field, and get an approximation of the MUF (Maximum usable frequency). When propagation is good, even the 20.000000 MHz signal soars across the aether, a faithful and tireless chronological savant. Losing it would be a tragedy, but a nerdy one, not Greek. Wayne N6KR ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to pincon at erols.com From donovanf at starpower.net Mon Aug 20 12:48:52 2018 From: donovanf at starpower.net (donovanf at starpower.net) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2018 12:48:52 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Elecraft] WWV/WWVH Closure In-Reply-To: <004501d438a5$2dca77f0$895f67d0$@erols.com> Message-ID: <1140804012.15408211.1534783731993.JavaMail.root@starpower.net> Hi Charlie, This is an exact quote from page NIST-25 of the proposed FY2019 NIST budget: < www.osec.doc.gov/bmi/budget/FY19CBJ/NIST_and_NTIS_FY2019_President 's_Budget_for_508_comp.pdf> "NIST will discontinue the dissemination of the U.S. time and frequency via the NIST radio stations in Hawaii and Ft. Collins, CO. These radio stations transmit signals that are used to synchronize consumer electronic products like wall clocks, clock radios, and wristwatches, and may be used in other applications like appliances, cameras, and irrigation controllers 73 Frank W3LPL ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charlie T" To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sent: Monday, August 20, 2018 4:45:13 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] WWV/WWVH Closure Yeah, I'd miss them, BUT, my little Elecraft hand-held XG3 sig gen is pretty handy for that too . Also, I don't believe funding for the 60kHz sig was ever at risk and THAT's what your (antique) watch uses. 73, Charlie k3ICH -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of Wayne Burdick Sent: Monday, August 20, 2018 11:53 AM To: Elecraft Reflector Subject: Re: [Elecraft] WWV/WWVH Closure Personal note.... Ever since I home-brewed my first receiver when I was 15, I've used WWV at multiple frequencies as a source of reliable on-air test signals. My early receivers used simple direct-conversion schemes based on JFETs (remember the MPF102?). Get the details wrong, and you'd hear WWV whether you were tuned to it or not, thanks to what I now know was IP2 (AM breakthrough). Do it right, and you'd be rewarded with those undulating time-tones: minimalist, almost musical. Something Phillip Glass would pipe into his sensory-deprevation tank. Oh, and you could set your watch to it. These days I still tune into WWV to check VFO calibration, set clocks in the field, and get an approximation of the MUF (Maximum usable frequency). When propagation is good, even the 20.000000 MHz signal soars across the aether, a faithful and tireless chronological savant. Losing it would be a tragedy, but a nerdy one, not Greek. Wayne N6KR ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to pincon at erols.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to donovanf at starpower.net From edauer at law.du.edu Mon Aug 20 12:50:16 2018 From: edauer at law.du.edu (Dauer, Edward) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2018 16:50:16 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 PSU mounting position In-Reply-To: <6483d5b3-9b66-f5d5-3cb8-de9dd8400ccd@ptd.net> References: <63AD2B7E-48BC-403B-B94B-EA67058BA9D3@law.du.edu> <6483d5b3-9b66-f5d5-3cb8-de9dd8400ccd@ptd.net> Message-ID: <2BA60521-E275-4081-8E08-F25446F96FB5@law.du.edu> May I forward your note to Support, along with mine? ?On 8/20/18, 10:19 AM, "Bob" wrote: Well maybe this requires a reply from Elecraft. They seem to be furnishing conflicting information on this. I asked that question and here is the reply I received: Elecraft: Placement of the power supply can be anywhere within the 5.5 ft distance of the power supply cable and control cables, both of which are 5.5 ft. Air passing through the power supply is from left to right in a horizontal manner. This means that it will not work properly standing on its side. Seems logical that setting it on the side would restrict the air flow severely. I'd have liked to place mine vertically on its side but did not based on this. Mine sits under the desk on a riser so I did not lose foot space. I did not require easy access to the switch as I totally kill the equipment circuits in the shack at shutdown. 73, Bob K2TK ex KN2TKR (1956) & K2TKR On 8/20/2018 9:33 AM, Dauer, Edward wrote: > Before mine arrived a few weeks ago I put exactly that question to Elecraft Support. The reply was that there would be no problem mounting the PS vertically, so long as the air clearances are observed for the air flow -- I believe it's three inches at the top and at the rear, but the manual is pretty clear on that. I've mounted mine that way. When sitting on its side the On-Off switch is conveniently near the top-rear edge. Works FB. > > Ted, KN1CBR > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 21 > Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2018 00:09:09 -0400 > From: "Peter Dougherty" > To: > Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 PSU mounting position > Message-ID: <004401d4383b$8c21ac70$a4650550$@net> > > Hi All, > My KPA-1500 arrived over the weekend and I've not gotten a chance yet to set it > up. In looking at both the amp and the power supply I noticed both have carrying > handles and rubber feet. Are these rubber feet just there for transporting the > untis, or can the power supply actually be run vertically with equal efficiency > and cooling as it would be horizontally? If so, that would fit my operating desk > perfectly. > > ---------------------------------------------------- > > Thanks in advance. > Regards, > Peter W2IRT From elecraftcovers at gmail.com Mon Aug 20 12:54:25 2018 From: elecraftcovers at gmail.com (Rose) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2018 10:54:25 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: WWV/WWVH Closure Message-ID: Trivia .. The last I knew the WWVB transmitter is a "repurposed" 100KW LORAN C TX from the closed site in ND. 73! K0PP On Mon, Aug 20, 2018 at 10:45 AM, Charlie T wrote: > Yeah, I'd miss them, BUT, my little Elecraft hand-held XG3 sig gen is > pretty > handy for that too . > > Also, I don't believe funding for the 60kHz sig was ever at risk and THAT's > what your (antique) watch uses. > > 73, Charlie k3ICH > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net > On > Behalf Of Wayne Burdick > Sent: Monday, August 20, 2018 11:53 AM > To: Elecraft Reflector > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] WWV/WWVH Closure > > Personal note.... > > Ever since I home-brewed my first receiver when I was 15, I've used WWV at > multiple frequencies as a source of reliable on-air test signals. > > My early receivers used simple direct-conversion schemes based on JFETs > (remember the MPF102?). Get the details wrong, and you'd hear WWV whether > you were tuned to it or not, thanks to what I now know was IP2 (AM > breakthrough). Do it right, and you'd be rewarded with those undulating > time-tones: minimalist, almost musical. Something Phillip Glass would pipe > into his sensory-deprevation tank. Oh, and you could set your watch to it. > > These days I still tune into WWV to check VFO calibration, set clocks in > the > field, and get an approximation of the MUF (Maximum usable frequency). When > propagation is good, even the 20.000000 MHz signal soars across the aether, > a faithful and tireless chronological savant. > > Losing it would be a tragedy, but a nerdy one, not Greek. > > Wayne > N6KR From KX3.2 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com Mon Aug 20 13:11:22 2018 From: KX3.2 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com (Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2018 10:11:22 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: WWV/WWVH Closure In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <88719e31-17b1-743f-6ad3-1a6f7f050ad9@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> I think the millions of people who bought "atomic clocks" with no technical background, no idea of how they set themselves would disagree. ... but only once they realize their "atomic clocks" are far less accurate. The technology is attractive. You put in a battery, set the time zone and it just works. GPS clocks may need a clear view of the sky, and anything using network time will need to connect to your LAN. Much harder to set up. 73 -- Lynn On 8/20/2018 9:10 AM, John Harper wrote: > The > clock/watch argument in the age of GPS, network and cellular time sync is a > valid argument only to geeks, of which I am one, thanks (in part) to my > Casio watch. From KY5G at montac.com Mon Aug 20 13:19:34 2018 From: KY5G at montac.com (Clay Autery) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2018 12:19:34 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] WWV/WWVH Closure In-Reply-To: <004501d438a5$2dca77f0$895f67d0$@erols.com> Message-ID: I absolutely love my XG3 and have not even begun to exhaust the list of uses for it.... Reference signal source is NOT on the list....? I have had the priviledge of working with half a dozen XG3s at one time... They are not even CLOSE to precision frequency references....? often varying anywhere from 0 to 30Hz from the programmed frequency.... Of course, that is NOT their purpose.... On the other hand, using the 20 or yes, the 25 MHz signal from WWV, I can get sub 1Hz accuracy when zero beating my K3S. I happen to be fortunate to own frequency counters, external references, et al instruments to get BOTH precise frequency, and AT LEAST equally important, precise TIME syncs.... The VAST majority of filks do not.... If you only have an XG3 then you fall in that vast majority too. WWV is essential to national infrastructure.? When the grid goes down and the cell towers go dark....? or the military flips the switch on the satellites, WWV should ALWAYS be there to keep the system running. 73,Clay, KY5G Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone -------- Original message --------From: Charlie T Date: 8/20/18 11:45 (GMT-06:00) To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] WWV/WWVH Closure Yeah, I'd miss them, BUT, my little Elecraft hand-held XG3 sig gen is pretty handy for that too . Also, I don't believe funding for the 60kHz sig was ever at risk and THAT's what your (antique) watch uses. 73, Charlie k3ICH -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of Wayne Burdick Sent: Monday, August 20, 2018 11:53 AM To: Elecraft Reflector Subject: Re: [Elecraft] WWV/WWVH Closure Personal note.... Ever since I home-brewed my first receiver when I was 15, I've used WWV at multiple frequencies as a source of reliable on-air test signals. My early receivers used simple direct-conversion schemes based on JFETs (remember the MPF102?). Get the details wrong, and you'd hear WWV whether you were tuned to it or not, thanks to what I now know was IP2 (AM breakthrough). Do it right, and you'd be rewarded with those undulating time-tones: minimalist, almost musical. Something Phillip Glass would pipe into his sensory-deprevation tank. Oh, and you could set your watch to it. These days I still tune into WWV to check VFO calibration, set clocks in the field, and get an approximation of the MUF (Maximum usable frequency). When propagation is good, even the 20.000000 MHz signal soars across the aether, a faithful and tireless chronological savant. Losing it would be a tragedy, but a nerdy one, not Greek. Wayne N6KR ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to pincon at erols.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ky5g at montac.com From KX3.2 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com Mon Aug 20 13:21:03 2018 From: KX3.2 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com (Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2018 10:21:03 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] WWV/WWVH Closure In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4b89987b-ce93-97cb-3963-dfd7f4a52148@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> One could make the same argument about CW: there are new modes that provide reliable communication well below the noise floor. For that matter, HF is subject to propagation, and the internet is like a band that's always open -- and the data rates are higher. Yet there is an "installed base" of "legacy operators" who love CW. There is an installed base of devices that work wonderfully (atomic clocks) that will no longer keep accurate time unless they somehow hear JJY. 73 -- Lynn P.S. no flames from CW ops -- I support your love for the mode and diversity in our hobby. On 8/20/2018 8:32 AM, John Harper wrote: > What is the justification for continued funding of WWV? Hasn't it been > obsoleted (if that's a verb) by GPS as far as being a time and freq > standard? From johnae5x at gmail.com Mon Aug 20 13:32:15 2018 From: johnae5x at gmail.com (John Harper) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2018 12:32:15 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] WWV/WWVH Closure Message-ID: And they (we) love it at their own cost, not the taxpayers. John AE5X https://ae5x.blogspot.com _______________________________ Yet there is an "installed base" of "legacy operators" who love CW. From K1ND at comcast.net Mon Aug 20 13:35:47 2018 From: K1ND at comcast.net (Jan) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2018 13:35:47 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] [ELECRAFT} KX3 DX Message-ID: <2213fbbe-ff5b-e98d-3bd8-a28ce732e02b@comcast.net> Hi Scott, N9AA yes QRP can be quite a challenge ~ and a lot of fun too Have worked WAS with the K2 and the KX3 with wire antenna Consider joining SKCC? @? https://www.skccgroup.com/ Cheers, Jan K1ND? ~ skcc # 6099T ~ From KX3.2 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com Mon Aug 20 13:38:12 2018 From: KX3.2 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com (Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2018 10:38:12 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] WWV/WWVH Closure In-Reply-To: <4b89987b-ce93-97cb-3963-dfd7f4a52148@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> References: <4b89987b-ce93-97cb-3963-dfd7f4a52148@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> Message-ID: <58956fef-0df3-e1de-a0fd-3e237864bcfe@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> I haven't checked the rules, but box with a low-power 60 KHz transmitter and something like a Raspberry Pi to get time via NTP and transmit WWVB-like signals over 100 feet or so might be a viable product. 73 -- Lynn From nw0m at embarqmail.com Mon Aug 20 13:47:53 2018 From: nw0m at embarqmail.com (NW0M) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2018 10:47:53 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Quick Messages In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1534787273689-0.post@n2.nabble.com> Yes, it's called Fast Message Play: -Hold MSG (long hold ~3 seconds) -Use Band+, Band-, and Freq Ent to play Messages 1,2, and 3. 73, Mitch NW?M -- Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ From k6dgw at foothill.net Mon Aug 20 13:55:02 2018 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2018 10:55:02 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: WWV/WWVH Closure In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I doubt that.? LORAN A and C were pulse systems with high peak power [some LORAN C stations fed over a megawatt peak to the antenna], but the average power was much lower.? Before LORAN C's demise, a handful of stations were fitted with Accufix transmitters by Megapulse Corporation ... no tubes, no oscillators, no amplifiers ... just a highly technologically advanced spark gap transmitter. The NIST description for WWVB is found at Briefly, 2 transmitters feeding two capacity-loaded monopoles about 850 m apart.? Combined fwd power is about 100 KW.? One of the antennas was originally used for WWVL on 20 KHz [decommissioned in the 70's]. There is some confusion regarding rumors of the demise of WWV/WWVH ... and maybe WWVB: 1.? Congress, not the White House, appropriates $$ to government agencies.? The House and Senate are said by an ARRL Director to have passed their bills and they are now in or about to be in conference committee.? It appears they both appropriate substantially more than NIST requested, and their numbers are moderately close so reconciliation in conference is likely. 2.? There is the internal NIST budgetary document that started all the rumors. 3.? NIST is planning a "Grand Celebration" for the 100th birthday of WWV in Oct 2019 [presumably without a military parade].? WWV is said to be the oldest continuously operating radio station in the US. Confusing indeed.? This could all be similar to the rumor rampant on the I'net a decade or so ago about not flying between some dates in August because the GPS Week Number was about to overflow its word length, rolling over to zero, and airplanes would be falling out of the sky.? The Week Nr did overflow, but no airplanes are known to have plummeted to Earth. More Trivia:? In the very early days of WWV, the time signals were in Morse code.? [I remember in the early 50's they were too, in Eastern Time].? WWV also broadcast farm reports and news ... using Morse code.? I had no idea the wheat, corn, and soybean farmers of the day? could copy the code. 73, Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW Sparks NV DM09dn Washoe County On 8/20/2018 9:54 AM, Rose wrote: > Trivia .. > > The last I knew the WWVB transmitter is a "repurposed" 100KW > LORAN C TX from the closed site in ND. > > 73! > > K0PP > > > > On Mon, Aug 20, 2018 at 10:45 AM, Charlie T wrote: > >> Yeah, I'd miss them, BUT, my little Elecraft hand-held XG3 sig gen is >> pretty >> handy for that too . >> >> Also, I don't believe funding for the 60kHz sig was ever at risk and THAT's >> what your (antique) watch uses. >> >> 73, Charlie k3ICH >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net >> On >> Behalf Of Wayne Burdick >> Sent: Monday, August 20, 2018 11:53 AM >> To: Elecraft Reflector >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] WWV/WWVH Closure >> >> Personal note.... >> >> Ever since I home-brewed my first receiver when I was 15, I've used WWV at >> multiple frequencies as a source of reliable on-air test signals. >> >> My early receivers used simple direct-conversion schemes based on JFETs >> (remember the MPF102?). Get the details wrong, and you'd hear WWV whether >> you were tuned to it or not, thanks to what I now know was IP2 (AM >> breakthrough). Do it right, and you'd be rewarded with those undulating >> time-tones: minimalist, almost musical. Something Phillip Glass would pipe >> into his sensory-deprevation tank. Oh, and you could set your watch to it. >> >> These days I still tune into WWV to check VFO calibration, set clocks in >> the >> field, and get an approximation of the MUF (Maximum usable frequency). When >> propagation is good, even the 20.000000 MHz signal soars across the aether, >> a faithful and tireless chronological savant. >> >> Losing it would be a tragedy, but a nerdy one, not Greek. >> >> Wayne >> N6KR > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k6dgw at foothill.net > > > -- > This message has been scanned by E.F.A. Project and is believed to be clean. > > > From n1rj at roadrunner.com Mon Aug 20 13:57:03 2018 From: n1rj at roadrunner.com (Roger D Johnson) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2018 13:57:03 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: WWV/WWVH Closure In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9633d635-aec9-be58-94b3-b2f53272152f@roadrunner.com> Ah! LORAN C. I remember it well. Roger CWO4, USCG (retired) On 8/20/2018 12:54 PM, Rose wrote: > Trivia .. > > The last I knew the WWVB transmitter is a "repurposed" 100KW > LORAN C TX from the closed site in ND. > > 73! > > K0PP From ghyoungman at gmail.com Mon Aug 20 13:58:06 2018 From: ghyoungman at gmail.com (Grant Youngman) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2018 13:58:06 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] WWV/WWVH Closure In-Reply-To: <4b89987b-ce93-97cb-3963-dfd7f4a52148@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> References: <4b89987b-ce93-97cb-3963-dfd7f4a52148@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> Message-ID: <6FB150F9-EA97-4F83-82AA-290E48C66F95@gmail.com> Except when it isn?t ? you must have an exceptional internet provider. It?s like much of the rest of the US communications infrastructure ? subject to going dark at the worst possible time. Grant NQ5T K3 #2091 KX3 #8342 > and the internet is like a band that's always open -- From eric at elecraft.com Mon Aug 20 14:06:35 2018 From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2018 11:06:35 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] WWV/WWVH Closure In-Reply-To: <6FB150F9-EA97-4F83-82AA-290E48C66F95@gmail.com> References: <4b89987b-ce93-97cb-3963-dfd7f4a52148@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> <6FB150F9-EA97-4F83-82AA-290E48C66F95@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5293d68c-13da-9ee2-3f22-bae16f6471cb@elecraft.com> Folks - Thread closed.? Both OT and way over postiing number limits. While an important topic, yhis is an policy discussion that is outside of Elecraft list guidelines for permitted topics. Please take it off list for further discussion in the interest of reducing list email overload for others. In general, please do not post or discuss amateur radio policy, related general policy issues, or political issues on this list, as they can rapidly overload our list with a high volume of emails. 73, Eric Moderator etc. /elecraft.com/ On 8/20/2018 10:58 AM, Grant Youngman wrote: > Except when it isn?t ? you must have an exceptional internet provider. It?s like much of the rest of the US communications infrastructure ? subject to going dark at the worst possible time. > > Grant NQ5T > K3 #2091 KX3 #8342 > >> and the internet is like a band that's always open -- > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to eric.swartz at elecraft.com From n6kr at elecraft.com Mon Aug 20 14:11:17 2018 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2018 11:11:17 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: WWV/WWVH Closure In-Reply-To: <9633d635-aec9-be58-94b3-b2f53272152f@roadrunner.com> References: <9633d635-aec9-be58-94b3-b2f53272152f@roadrunner.com> Message-ID: <50514813-5FA6-4002-A552-803521BF716D@elecraft.com> Hi Roger, I spent most of my 4-year USCG career on LORAN-C related activities. 6 months ET school at Governor's Island, a year at the monitor station in Bermuda (yeah, that was tough) and finally two years at the engineering center in Wildwood, NJ (even tougher :) I really despised the resolver/servo-driven LORAN receivers. But I did love the HP9825 "calculator" that the lieutenant installed early in my stay at Bermuda. This thing calibrated the entire U.S. east coast LORAN-C chain, entering phase corrections for atmospheric distortion automatically, replacing manual methods. Of course the '9825 was too cool to be left to this menial task. So every night when I was on mid watch, I would stop the silly LORAN program, teach myself HPL, then write my own programs. I made the phase corrections manually at such times. The lieutenant returned a few months later and was not pleased to see the apparent failure of his software. But meanwhile I'd become the local expert on the '9825, called upon to fix it when it broke, so he forgave me. He also recommended my transfer to the Wildwood engineering center at the end of my Bermuda year, which was an excellent result because one usually got rotated to the Aleutian Islands after being at a desired station.... Wildwood was great, too. Lots of fun R&D by day, partying by night. By the way, this is ridiculously OT. My apologies in advance to Eric, who will now shut me down :) Wayne > On Aug 20, 2018, at 10:57 AM, Roger D Johnson wrote: > > Ah! LORAN C. I remember it well. > > Roger CWO4, USCG (retired) > > > On 8/20/2018 12:54 PM, Rose wrote: >> Trivia .. >> >> The last I knew the WWVB transmitter is a "repurposed" 100KW >> LORAN C TX from the closed site in ND. >> >> 73! >> >> K0PP From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Mon Aug 20 14:12:27 2018 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2018 11:12:27 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 DX In-Reply-To: <20180820143940.41034149B4BF@mailman.qth.net> References: <20180820143940.41034149B4BF@mailman.qth.net> Message-ID: On 8/20/2018 7:37 AM, K3ICH wrote: > As the saying goes, "Five watts is five watts". The saying is an oversimplification. The KX3 includes two important tools to increase talk power on SSB -- TX equalization, which can be set to emphasize speech intelligibility and minimize power wasted below 400 Hz, and amplitude compression and peak limiting, which brings quieter speech sounds closer to the level of louder ones.? When set for about 10 dB of compression on voice peaks, it makes 5 w the equivalent of 50W, and the TXEQ settings add 3 dB, making 5W the equivalent of 100W. These tools, which are called "audio signal processing," have been used in broadcasting since at least the '50s. They are also built into the K3, K3S, and KX2. 73, Jim K9YC From eric at elecraft.com Mon Aug 20 14:21:27 2018 From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2018 11:21:27 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] =?utf-8?q?WWV_PETITION_=E2=80=94_send_to_ARRL?= In-Reply-To: References: <20180820142834.d3uivjnmkolijnk6@n0nb.us> Message-ID: <7f3408af-77d6-585d-f45a-4e422624d3ab@elecraft.com> Folks - WWV threads closed.?? Both OT and way over our OT positing number limits between this one and the other WWV threads. While an important topic, this is an policy discussion that is outside of Elecraft list guidelines for permitted topics. Please take it off list for further discussion in the interest of reducing list email overload for others. In general, please do not post or discuss amateur radio policy, related general policy issues, or political issues on this list, as they can rapidly overload our list with a high volume of emails. 73, Eric Moderator etc. /elecraft.com/ On 8/20/2018 7:36 AM, Paul Stoetzer wrote: > Remember that Congress has completely rejected the President's budget > and has generally set funding levels far higher than requested, > especially for agencies involved in science and research, like NIST. > > In this case, the House and Senate appropriations bills have funding > levels for this account that are nearly $150 million higher than NIST > requested. That makes a shutdown of WWV services unlike in FY 2019 as > they won't need to make cuts to deal with a reduced budget. > > Specifically, while NIST requested $573,429,000 for Scientific and > Technical Research and Services in FY 2019, the House Commerce, > Justice, and Science appropriations bill gives them $720,000,000 > (https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/5952/text). > The Senate version of the legislation gives them $724,500,000 > (https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/senate-bill/3072/text). > > It's certainly worth it to make our voices heard that we want these > services to continue, but there is little actual danger of them being > shut down over the next year. > > 73, > > Paul, N8HM > On Mon, Aug 20, 2018 at 10:29 AM Nate Bargmann wrote: >> * On 2018 20 Aug 08:59 -0500, John Altman wrote: >>> The ARRL has MORE than a 100,000 members! >>> >>> I have forwarded the petition to the ARRL for membership action. >> The League is already well aware of this per Midwest Division Director >> Rod, K0DAS, who spoke at the Kansas Convention yesterday. He said that >> right now the understanding is that the House and the Senate have both >> passed budget bills and that the bill is in the budget reconciliation >> committee. They [HQ] are looking at which of those committee members >> they can work with on this. >> >> My humble suggestion is that anyone whose senators or representatives >> are on the budget reconciliation committee to contact them. >> >> 73, Nate, N0NB >> >> -- >> >> "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all >> possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true." >> >> Web: http://www.n0nb.us GPG key: D55A8819 GitHub: N0NB >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to n8hm at arrl.net > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to eric.swartz at elecraft.com From k2asp at kanafi.org Mon Aug 20 14:26:59 2018 From: k2asp at kanafi.org (Phil Kane) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2018 11:26:59 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] WWV/WWVH Closure In-Reply-To: <6630CB9D-8FC9-4E74-9513-6743EB4FEDB8@ldeo.columbia.edu> References: <6630CB9D-8FC9-4E74-9513-6743EB4FEDB8@ldeo.columbia.edu> Message-ID: On 8/20/2018 8:48 AM, Dale Chayes wrote: > I think this is a significant mistake for at least two big picture > reasons: > 1) There are still many devices (notably standalone clocks and > watches) that set time from these signals, and AFAIK the "self-setting" watches and clocks use the WWVB signal at 60 kHz ,not the HF signals from WWV/WWVH. The downside is that for some reason the 60 kHz signal do not penetrate the walls of my apartment or the noise level is so high or both so I can't even take advantage of that. 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane Elecraft K2/100 s/n 5402 >From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon From ernie at netvision.net.il Mon Aug 20 14:28:59 2018 From: ernie at netvision.net.il (TL_Netvision) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2018 21:28:59 +0300 Subject: [Elecraft] Utilities on Linux Message-ID: <000601d438b3$a9568c70$fc03a550$@netvision.net.il> Hi Nate, Thanks much for all the info. A great resource indeed. I needed to test the P3 utility 1st, and that turned out very simple in my case (Mint 18.3). I just downloaded the tar.gz file, unpacked it to a dedicated library under home, made the executable "execute" & voila it worked. The only disappointment was that again the P3 utility couldn't update my P3's firmware. (that's my original W10 problem, which I wanted to confirm also on Linux.) 73, Isaac, 4Z1TL * On 2018 19 Aug 23:40 -0500, TL_Netvision wrote: > Hello all, > I want to install the K3, KPA500, KAT500 & P3 utilities on a Linux > mint-18.4 computer. > > Any detailed guidelines will be much appreciated. Is your installation of the amd64 architecture? On Mint the following should work: $ dpkg --print-architecture amd64 Also, there is the 'arch' command. If either command returns 'amd64', you may follow the steps I noted on my blog: https://www.n0nb.us/blog/2016/07/running-electraft-utilities-on-linux-amd64- and-multiarch/ If either command returns 'i386' or 'i686', thne your system is 32 bit and the utilities will run directly. A couple of additional packages will be required for complete functionality. As I recently enabled multilib on Slackware, I should document that as well. HTH, 73, Nate, N0NB -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true." Web: http://www.n0nb.us GPG key: D55A8819 GitHub: N0NB --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From k2asp at kanafi.org Mon Aug 20 14:31:24 2018 From: k2asp at kanafi.org (Phil Kane) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2018 11:31:24 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] WWV/WWVH Closure In-Reply-To: References: <13bd01d4389b$99ebf0d0$cdc3d270$@wjschmidt.com> Message-ID: <7d5948e5-c706-f451-328d-4314cdbdf308@kanafi.org> On 8/20/2018 8:50 AM, Walter Underwood wrote: > The clocks I know about use WWVB (VLF), not WWV or WWVH (both HF). IIRC at one time back in the dark ages of hamdom, Heathkit did sell a clock kit that used either the 5 MHz or 10 MHz signal from WWV/WWVH. One of the many that I never built. 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane Elecraft K2/100 s/n 5402 >From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon From radio.ku8l at gmail.com Mon Aug 20 14:35:52 2018 From: radio.ku8l at gmail.com (Curt Nixon) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2018 14:35:52 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 DX In-Reply-To: References: <20180820143940.41034149B4BF@mailman.qth.net> Message-ID: <598b08dd-74ad-51c5-3772-3d777cdb8c98@gmail.com> So if I utilize these same compression and hpf adjustments and equalization my 100W will sound like 1KW??? maybe on paper.. KU8L On 08/20/18 2:12 PM, Jim Brown wrote: > On 8/20/2018 7:37 AM, K3ICH wrote: >> As the saying goes, "Five watts is five watts". > > The saying is an oversimplification. The KX3 includes two important > tools to increase talk power on SSB -- TX equalization, which can be > set to emphasize speech intelligibility and minimize power wasted > below 400 Hz, and amplitude compression and peak limiting, which > brings quieter speech sounds closer to the level of louder ones.? When > set for about 10 dB of compression on voice peaks, it makes 5 w the > equivalent of 50W, and the TXEQ settings add 3 dB, making 5W the > equivalent of 100W. > > These tools, which are called "audio signal processing," have been > used in broadcasting since at least the '50s. They are also built into > the K3, K3S, and KX2. > > 73, Jim K9YC > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to radio.ku8l at gmail.com From ac5p at sbcglobal.net Mon Aug 20 14:41:45 2018 From: ac5p at sbcglobal.net (Mike Maloney) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2018 18:41:45 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] OT: WWV/WWVH Closure In-Reply-To: <9633d635-aec9-be58-94b3-b2f53272152f@roadrunner.com> References: <9633d635-aec9-be58-94b3-b2f53272152f@roadrunner.com> Message-ID: <1977384058.2246557.1534790505250@mail.yahoo.com> Dual 35kW ERP synchronous transmitters and antennas for 70kW ERP at 60kHz. ? Short (for 5km wavelength!) 4x400 ft quad towers that support top hat.? Center connected cable is main radiator. ?? Hard to see getting 35kW ERP out of 100kW transmitter at 5000 meter wavelength for such a short stub antenna? ? Pattern coverage at night is amazing. ?Serious copper and currents in loading coil and ground grid!? The AC station service transformer is 500KVA. ?? Info from NIST web page.? Interesting stuff. ?? Mike AC5P On Monday, August 20, 2018 12:57 PM, Roger D Johnson wrote: Ah! LORAN C. I remember it well. Roger CWO4, USCG (retired) On 8/20/2018 12:54 PM, Rose wrote: > Trivia .. > > The last I knew the WWVB transmitter is a "repurposed" 100KW > LORAN C TX from the closed site in ND. > > 73! > > K0PP ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ac5p at sbcglobal.net From k2asp at kanafi.org Mon Aug 20 14:43:43 2018 From: k2asp at kanafi.org (Phil Kane) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2018 11:43:43 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: WWV/WWVH Closure In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 8/20/2018 9:10 AM, John Harper wrote: > The clock/watch argument in the age of GPS, network and cellular time > sync is a valid argument only to geeks, of which I am one, thanks (in > part) to my Casio watch. Neither GPS signals nor the 60 kHz WWVB signal are receivable inside my apartment (yes, I tried). I briefly looked into a wall clock that used an Ethernet connection to a NTP time server and had the look of what I wanted but the cost of the clock approached the cost of the computer that it would talk to. Back to not-all-that-obsolete quartz regulated clocks and watches that need readjustment from time to time. That's where the analog WWV signal is essential. 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane Elecraft K2/100 s/n 5402 >From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Mon Aug 20 14:44:40 2018 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2018 11:44:40 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 DX In-Reply-To: <598b08dd-74ad-51c5-3772-3d777cdb8c98@gmail.com> References: <20180820143940.41034149B4BF@mailman.qth.net> <598b08dd-74ad-51c5-3772-3d777cdb8c98@gmail.com> Message-ID: On 8/20/2018 11:35 AM, Curt Nixon wrote: > So if I utilize these same compression and hpf adjustments and > equalization my 100W will sound like 1KW?? Yes 73, Jim K9YC From eric at elecraft.com Mon Aug 20 14:48:05 2018 From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2018 11:48:05 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: WWV/WWVH Closure In-Reply-To: <1977384058.2246557.1534790505250@mail.yahoo.com> References: <9633d635-aec9-be58-94b3-b2f53272152f@roadrunner.com> <1977384058.2246557.1534790505250@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Folks - please see my earlier post. The WWV thread has been closed. 73, Eric Moderator /elecraft.com/ On 8/20/2018 11:41 AM, Mike Maloney wrote: > Dual 35kW ERP synchronous transmitters and antennas for 70kW ERP at 60kHz. ? Short (for 5km wavelength!) 4x400 ft quad towers that support top hat.? Center connected cable is main radiator. ?? Hard to see getting 35kW ERP out of 100kW transmitter at 5000 meter wavelength for such a short stub antenna? ? Pattern coverage at night is amazing. ?Serious copper and currents in loading coil and ground grid!? The AC station service transformer is 500KVA. ?? Info from NIST web page.? Interesting stuff. > Mike AC5P > > On Monday, August 20, 2018 12:57 PM, Roger D Johnson wrote: > > > Ah! LORAN C. I remember it well. > > Roger CWO4, USCG (retired) > > > On 8/20/2018 12:54 PM, Rose wrote: >> Trivia .. >> >> The last I knew the WWVB transmitter is a "repurposed" 100KW >> LORAN C TX from the closed site in ND. >> >> 73! >> >> K0PP > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to ac5p at sbcglobal.net > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to eric.swartz at elecraft.com From eric at elecraft.com Mon Aug 20 14:48:43 2018 From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2018 11:48:43 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: WWV/WWVH Closure In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Folks - Please see my prior posts. The WWV thread has been closed. Eric Moderator /elecraft.com/ On 8/20/2018 11:43 AM, Phil Kane wrote: > On 8/20/2018 9:10 AM, John Harper wrote: > >> The clock/watch argument in the age of GPS, network and cellular time >> sync is a valid argument only to geeks, of which I am one, thanks (in >> part) to my Casio watch. > Neither GPS signals nor the 60 kHz WWVB signal are receivable inside my > apartment (yes, I tried). I briefly looked into a wall clock that used > an Ethernet connection to a NTP time server and had the look of what I > wanted but the cost of the clock approached the cost of the computer > that it would talk to. > > Back to not-all-that-obsolete quartz regulated clocks and watches that > need readjustment from time to time. That's where the analog WWV signal > is essential. > > 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane > Elecraft K2/100 s/n 5402 > > From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest > Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to eric.swartz at elecraft.com From earobinson at sbcglobal.net Mon Aug 20 15:00:28 2018 From: earobinson at sbcglobal.net (Eugene) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2018 14:00:28 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K2/KXAT100 not Consistent Message-ID: <6E8A9248-7E48-43CA-A457-5D100282A102@sbcglobal.net> KAT100/K2 not consistent Mine would do the same! Found that if at last power down if the output power on the K2 was set to greater than 20 watts or higher the KAT100 and KPA100 (both in E2C ) would not come on line. The following is what I found for consistent operation. Some but not all to the following are in any of the manuals for K2, KAT100 or KPA100!! Set K2 tuner menu to AUTO. 1. Power to E2C (KAT100 and KPA100) first. 2. Power and turn on K2. 3. Turn K2 power down, <20 to 1 watt. -KEY for operating with KAT100 and KPA100. 4. Set power on K2 >20 but less than 100 watts.. Works every time! Gene, N5LDX Sent from my iPad From KY5G at montac.com Mon Aug 20 15:02:59 2018 From: KY5G at montac.com (Clay Autery) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2018 14:02:59 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 DX In-Reply-To: <598b08dd-74ad-51c5-3772-3d777cdb8c98@gmail.com> References: <20180820143940.41034149B4BF@mailman.qth.net> <598b08dd-74ad-51c5-3772-3d777cdb8c98@gmail.com> Message-ID: <3b75ec72-71de-b99f-9482-2b2b6554e027@montac.com> That was unnecessary....? It was neither asserted or even remotely suggested that 5 W or 100W could be made to "sound like 1 KW"... IN FACT, power level has little to do with HOW something sounds...? volume?? yes, quality?? Not nearly as much. The POINT that I and Jim (more succinctly) were trying to make it that not ALL 5 W signals are equal....? not by any stretch of the imagination of by any level of desire. All things being equal... a PROPERLY formed 5W signal will be "heard" (more accurately "understood") by a larger "audience" than a POORLY formed 5 W signal.... And a properly formed signal will likely be understood by more folks than a poorly formed signal pushed out at higher power. PS - Not sure why, but there seems to be a lot of cranky folks spoiling for an argument/fight lately... Chill out, guys! 73, ______________________ Clay Autery, KY5G (318) 518-1389 On 20-Aug-18 13:35, Curt Nixon wrote: > So if I utilize these same compression and hpf adjustments and > equalization my 100W will sound like 1KW??? maybe on paper.. > > KU8L > > On 08/20/18 2:12 PM, Jim Brown wrote: >> On 8/20/2018 7:37 AM, K3ICH wrote: >>> As the saying goes, "Five watts is five watts". >> >> The saying is an oversimplification. The KX3 includes two important >> tools to increase talk power on SSB -- TX equalization, which can be >> set to emphasize speech intelligibility and minimize power wasted >> below 400 Hz, and amplitude compression and peak limiting, which >> brings quieter speech sounds closer to the level of louder ones.? >> When set for about 10 dB of compression on voice peaks, it makes 5 w >> the equivalent of 50W, and the TXEQ settings add 3 dB, making 5W the >> equivalent of 100W. >> >> These tools, which are called "audio signal processing," have been >> used in broadcasting since at least the '50s. They are also built >> into the K3, K3S, and KX2. >> >> 73, Jim K9YC >> From radio.ku8l at gmail.com Mon Aug 20 15:12:46 2018 From: radio.ku8l at gmail.com (Curt Nixon) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2018 15:12:46 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 DX In-Reply-To: <3b75ec72-71de-b99f-9482-2b2b6554e027@montac.com> References: <20180820143940.41034149B4BF@mailman.qth.net> <598b08dd-74ad-51c5-3772-3d777cdb8c98@gmail.com> <3b75ec72-71de-b99f-9482-2b2b6554e027@montac.com> Message-ID: <46658d3b-39a2-8460-2758-492017e68b09@gmail.com> Well..he DID use the term "equivalent"..... I get it, but you know what it will sound like if everyone starts crankin on that compression knob? :) I agree with everything else you just said BTW Curt On 08/20/18 3:02 PM, Clay Autery wrote: > That was unnecessary....? It was neither asserted or even remotely > suggested that 5 W or 100W could be made to "sound like 1 KW"... > > IN FACT, power level has little to do with HOW something sounds...? > volume?? yes, quality?? Not nearly as much. > > The POINT that I and Jim (more succinctly) were trying to make it that > not ALL 5 W signals are equal....? not by any stretch of the > imagination of by any level of desire. > > All things being equal... a PROPERLY formed 5W signal will be "heard" > (more accurately "understood") by a larger "audience" than a POORLY > formed 5 W signal.... > And a properly formed signal will likely be understood by more folks > than a poorly formed signal pushed out at higher power. > > PS - > > Not sure why, but there seems to be a lot of cranky folks spoiling for > an argument/fight lately... > > Chill out, guys! > > 73, > > ______________________ > Clay Autery, KY5G > (318) 518-1389 > > On 20-Aug-18 13:35, Curt Nixon wrote: >> So if I utilize these same compression and hpf adjustments and >> equalization my 100W will sound like 1KW?? maybe on paper.. >> >> KU8L >> >> On 08/20/18 2:12 PM, Jim Brown wrote: >>> On 8/20/2018 7:37 AM, K3ICH wrote: >>>> As the saying goes, "Five watts is five watts". >>> >>> The saying is an oversimplification. The KX3 includes two important >>> tools to increase talk power on SSB -- TX equalization, which can be >>> set to emphasize speech intelligibility and minimize power wasted >>> below 400 Hz, and amplitude compression and peak limiting, which >>> brings quieter speech sounds closer to the level of louder ones.? >>> When set for about 10 dB of compression on voice peaks, it makes 5 w >>> the equivalent of 50W, and the TXEQ settings add 3 dB, making 5W the >>> equivalent of 100W. >>> >>> These tools, which are called "audio signal processing," have been >>> used in broadcasting since at least the '50s. They are also built >>> into the K3, K3S, and KX2. >>> >>> 73, Jim K9YC >>> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to radio.ku8l at gmail.com From W2xj at w2xj.net Mon Aug 20 15:27:49 2018 From: W2xj at w2xj.net (W2xj) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2018 12:27:49 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] WWV/WWVH Closure In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <07A093F6-9A46-49F4-BB59-CA8535A2E144@w2xj.net> Until someone takes out the GPS birds. It?s always good the have backup. Sent from my iPad > On Aug 20, 2018, at 8:32 AM, John Harper wrote: > > What is the justification for continued funding of WWV? Hasn't it been > obsoleted (if that's a verb) by GPS as far as being a time and freq > standard? > > John AE5X > https://ae5x.blogspot.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to w2xj at w2xj.net > From n0nb at n0nb.us Mon Aug 20 16:42:48 2018 From: n0nb at n0nb.us (Nate Bargmann) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2018 15:42:48 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Utilities on Linux In-Reply-To: <000601d438b3$a9568c70$fc03a550$@netvision.net.il> References: <000601d438b3$a9568c70$fc03a550$@netvision.net.il> Message-ID: <20180820204248.ufhikyeq63k2mjpt@n0nb.us> * On 2018 20 Aug 13:30 -0500, TL_Netvision wrote: > Hi Nate, > > Thanks much for all the info. A great resource indeed. > > I needed to test the P3 utility 1st, and that turned out very simple in my > case (Mint 18.3). I just downloaded the tar.gz file, unpacked it to a > dedicated library under home, made the executable "execute" & voila it > worked. The only disappointment was that again the P3 utility couldn't > update my P3's firmware. (that's my original W10 problem, which I wanted to > confirm also on Linux.) When I download new firmware for either the K3 or P3, I place it its own directory which I create through the Browse button in the top part of the Firmware tab. Then work through the utility starting with the Port tab and the Test Communications button to ensure you have communication to the P3. The latest stable P3 firmware appears to be 1.60. 73, Nate, N0NB -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true." Web: http://www.n0nb.us GPG key: D55A8819 GitHub: N0NB From alorona at sbcglobal.net Mon Aug 20 17:28:33 2018 From: alorona at sbcglobal.net (Al Lorona) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2018 21:28:33 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] [OT] FT-8 files References: <544627177.11327983.1534800513740.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <544627177.11327983.1534800513740@mail.yahoo.com> I'd like to obtain IQ baseband files of an FT-8 signal, either separate I and Q files or combined in one text file. Is that easy for someone to do? Thanks, and please contact me off list. Al? W6LX From alan at wilcoxengineering.com Mon Aug 20 19:33:05 2018 From: alan at wilcoxengineering.com (Alan D. Wilcox) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2018 19:33:05 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Tuneup, Rescue, Build your K2 and others Message-ID: <7EE6AFE3-7745-4AE9-A210-1217DB5C537A@wilcoxengineering.com> Hello, Does your K2 need repair? Tuneup? Want to sell it, but it needs some attention before offering it for sale? In addition to tuning your rig, I can also rescue a building project you might have started some time ago. See what my clients have said about my construction and service work at http://www.eham.net/reviews/detail/6768 Photos of the popular "Twins" -- the KPA100 and KAT100 in EC2 enclosure -- are at https://wilcoxengineering.com/kpa100-in-ec2/ Cheers, Alan Alan D. Wilcox, W3DVX (K2-5373, K3-40) 570-478-0736 (cell, text) http://amazon.com/author/alandwilcox Williamsport, PA 17701 From nr4c at widomaker.com Mon Aug 20 19:55:03 2018 From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2018 19:55:03 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] [OT] FT-8 files In-Reply-To: <544627177.11327983.1534800513740@mail.yahoo.com> References: <544627177.11327983.1534800513740.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <544627177.11327983.1534800513740@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: ?Text? file? Sent from my iPhone ...nr4c. bill > On Aug 20, 2018, at 5:28 PM, Al Lorona wrote: > > I'd like to obtain IQ baseband files of an FT-8 signal, either separate I and Q files or combined in one text file. Is that easy for someone to do? > Thanks, and please contact me off list. > Al W6LX > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to nr4c at widomaker.com From tombewick at gmail.com Mon Aug 20 22:16:59 2018 From: tombewick at gmail.com (K2bew) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2018 22:16:59 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: WWV/WWVH Closure In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I don't think John was implying people didn't have or use wwv clocks, but that's it not a reason by itself for WWV, and I agree with him. Why pay thousands of dollars to staff and run wwv just for clocks and stuff? With the internet and phones that use data and or GPS satellites to constantly synch time more effectively than radio sygnals it does seem crazy to fund it. Not to mention that Canada has the equivalent already in CHU. Tom, k2bew On Mon, Aug 20, 2018, 11:51 AM Ken G Kopp wrote: > John, you're simply incorrect. Our house has a number of WWVB synched > clocks, as do many, many thousands of others. > > On Mon, Aug 20, 2018, 09:41 John Harper wrote: > > > Yes. > > https://www.qrp-labs.com/clockn.html > > > > > https://www.runnersworld.com/gear/a20827055/advanced-gps-watches-for-runners/ > > > > and more. > > > > Watches and clocks as "justification" for continued WWV broadcasts is > > laughable. > > > > John AE5X > > https://ae5x.blogspot.com > > > > > > > > On Mon, Aug 20, 2018 at 10:36 AM Dr. William J. Schmidt < > > bill at wjschmidt.com> > > wrote: > > > > > Well let's start with all of those self-setting watches and wall > > clocks... > > > and then the propagation information that is broadcast. Does GPS do > > that? > > > > > > > > > Dr. William J. Schmidt - K9HZ J68HZ 8P6HK ZF2HZ PJ4/K9HZ VP5/K9HZ > > PJ2/K9HZ > > > > > > Owner - Operator > > > Big Signal Ranch ? K9ZC > > > Staunton, Illinois > > > > > > Owner ? Operator > > > Villa Grand Piton ? J68HZ > > > Soufriere, St. Lucia W.I. > > > Rent it: www.VillaGrandPiton.com > > > Like us on Facebook! > > > > > > Moderator ? North American QRO Group at Groups.IO. > > > > > > email: bill at wjschmidt.com > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net > > > [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of John Harper > > > Sent: Monday, August 20, 2018 10:33 AM > > > To: Elecraft list > > > Subject: [Elecraft] WWV/WWVH Closure > > > > > > What is the justification for continued funding of WWV? Hasn't it been > > > obsoleted (if that's a verb) by GPS as far as being a time and freq > > > standard? > > > > > > John AE5X > > > https://ae5x.blogspot.com > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > > Elecraft mailing list > > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > > Message > > > delivered to bill at wjschmidt.com > > > > > > > > > --- > > > This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. > > > https://www.avg.com > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to kengkopp at gmail.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to tombewick at gmail.com From k3wjv at yahoo.com Mon Aug 20 23:29:47 2018 From: k3wjv at yahoo.com (Bill Stravinsky) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2018 03:29:47 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 PSU mounting position In-Reply-To: <6483d5b3-9b66-f5d5-3cb8-de9dd8400ccd@ptd.net> References: <63AD2B7E-48BC-403B-B94B-EA67058BA9D3@law.du.edu> <6483d5b3-9b66-f5d5-3cb8-de9dd8400ccd@ptd.net> Message-ID: <1685908977.179028.1534822187488@mail.yahoo.com> Interesting.? I just told my friend W2irt that it was OK for vertical mounting of the power supply from the several posts on here a few months ago and I thought onewas from Elecraft.? Its hard to imagine vertical placement of the power supply being a problem.? It never even approaches getting warm unlike the rf deck. BillK3WJV On Monday, August 20, 2018, 12:24:55 PM EDT, Bob via Elecraft wrote: Well maybe this requires a reply from Elecraft.? They seem to be furnishing conflicting information on this. I asked that question and here is the reply I received: Elecraft:? Placement of the power supply can be anywhere within the 5.5 ft distance of the power supply cable and control cables, both of which are 5.5 ft. ? Air passing through the power supply is from left to right in a horizontal manner.? This means that it will not work properly standing on its side. Seems logical that setting it on the side would restrict the air flow severely. I'd have liked to place mine vertically on its side but did not based on this. Mine sits? under the desk on a riser so I did not lose foot space.? I did not require easy access to the switch as I totally kill the equipment circuits in the shack at shutdown. 73, Bob K2TK? ex KN2TKR (1956) & K2TKR On 8/20/2018 9:33 AM, Dauer, Edward wrote: > Before mine arrived a few weeks ago I put exactly that question to Elecraft Support.? The reply was that there would be no problem mounting the PS vertically, so long as the air clearances are observed for the air flow -- I believe it's three inches at the top and at the rear, but the manual is pretty clear on that.? I've mounted mine that way.? When sitting on its side the On-Off switch is conveniently near the top-rear edge.? Works FB. > > Ted, KN1CBR > > >? ? ? ------------------------------ >? ? ? >? ? ? Message: 21 >? ? ? Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2018 00:09:09 -0400 >? ? ? From: "Peter Dougherty" >? ? ? To: >? ? ? Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 PSU mounting position >? ? ? Message-ID: <004401d4383b$8c21ac70$a4650550$@net> >? ? ? ? ? >? ? ? Hi All, >? ? ? My KPA-1500 arrived over the weekend and I've not gotten a chance yet to set it >? ? ? up. In looking at both the amp and the power supply I noticed both have carrying >? ? ? handles and rubber feet. Are these rubber feet just there for transporting the >? ? ? untis, or can the power supply actually be run vertically with equal efficiency >? ? ? and cooling as it would be horizontally? If so, that would fit my operating desk >? ? ? perfectly. >? ? ? >? ? ? ---------------------------------------------------- >? ? ? >? ? ? Thanks in advance. >? ? ? Regards, >? ? ? Peter W2IRT ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to k3wjv at yahoo.com From richarddw1945 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 21 01:45:54 2018 From: richarddw1945 at yahoo.com (RIchard Williams) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2018 05:45:54 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 PSU mounting position In-Reply-To: <1685908977.179028.1534822187488@mail.yahoo.com> References: <63AD2B7E-48BC-403B-B94B-EA67058BA9D3@law.du.edu> <6483d5b3-9b66-f5d5-3cb8-de9dd8400ccd@ptd.net> <1685908977.179028.1534822187488@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1201152252.165600.1534830354918@mail.yahoo.com> Hopefully Eric or Wayne will chime in and answer this question once and for all.? Since warm air has a tendency to rise,? I could see where placement could be an issue.? An answer "straight from the horse's mouth" would hopefully put this issue to bed. Dick, K8ZTT Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Mon, Aug 20, 2018 at 21:30, Bill Stravinsky via Elecraft wrote: Interesting.? I just told my friend W2irt that it was OK for vertical mounting of the power supply from the several posts on here a few months ago and I thought onewas from Elecraft.? Its hard to imagine vertical placement of the power supply being a problem.? It never even approaches getting warm unlike the rf deck. BillK3WJV ? ? On Monday, August 20, 2018, 12:24:55 PM EDT, Bob via Elecraft wrote:? Well maybe this requires a reply from Elecraft.? They seem to be furnishing conflicting information on this. I asked that question and here is the reply I received: Elecraft:? Placement of the power supply can be anywhere within the 5.5 ft distance of the power supply cable and control cables, both of which are 5.5 ft. ? Air passing through the power supply is from left to right in a horizontal manner.? This means that it will not work properly standing on its side. Seems logical that setting it on the side would restrict the air flow severely. I'd have liked to place mine vertically on its side but did not based on this. Mine sits? under the desk on a riser so I did not lose foot space.? I did not require easy access to the switch as I totally kill the equipment circuits in the shack at shutdown. 73, Bob K2TK? ex KN2TKR (1956) & K2TKR On 8/20/2018 9:33 AM, Dauer, Edward wrote: > Before mine arrived a few weeks ago I put exactly that question to Elecraft Support.? The reply was that there would be no problem mounting the PS vertically, so long as the air clearances are observed for the air flow -- I believe it's three inches at the top and at the rear, but the manual is pretty clear on that.? I've mounted mine that way.? When sitting on its side the On-Off switch is conveniently near the top-rear edge.? Works FB. > > Ted, KN1CBR > > >? ? ? ------------------------------ >? ? ? >? ? ? Message: 21 >? ? ? Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2018 00:09:09 -0400 >? ? ? From: "Peter Dougherty" >? ? ? To: >? ? ? Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 PSU mounting position >? ? ? Message-ID: <004401d4383b$8c21ac70$a4650550$@net> >? ? ? ? ? >? ? ? Hi All, >? ? ? My KPA-1500 arrived over the weekend and I've not gotten a chance yet to set it >? ? ? up. In looking at both the amp and the power supply I noticed both have carrying >? ? ? handles and rubber feet. Are these rubber feet just there for transporting the >? ? ? untis, or can the power supply actually be run vertically with equal efficiency >? ? ? and cooling as it would be horizontally? If so, that would fit my operating desk >? ? ? perfectly. >? ? ? >? ? ? ---------------------------------------------------- >? ? ? >? ? ? Thanks in advance. >? ? ? Regards, >? ? ? Peter W2IRT ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to k3wjv at yahoo.com ? ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to richarddw1945 at yahoo.com From richarddw1945 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 21 01:45:54 2018 From: richarddw1945 at yahoo.com (RIchard Williams) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2018 05:45:54 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 PSU mounting position In-Reply-To: <1685908977.179028.1534822187488@mail.yahoo.com> References: <63AD2B7E-48BC-403B-B94B-EA67058BA9D3@law.du.edu> <6483d5b3-9b66-f5d5-3cb8-de9dd8400ccd@ptd.net> <1685908977.179028.1534822187488@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1201152252.165600.1534830354918@mail.yahoo.com> Hopefully Eric or Wayne will chime in and answer this question once and for all.? Since warm air has a tendency to rise,? I could see where placement could be an issue.? An answer "straight from the horse's mouth" would hopefully put this issue to bed. Dick, K8ZTT Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Mon, Aug 20, 2018 at 21:30, Bill Stravinsky via Elecraft wrote: Interesting.? I just told my friend W2irt that it was OK for vertical mounting of the power supply from the several posts on here a few months ago and I thought onewas from Elecraft.? Its hard to imagine vertical placement of the power supply being a problem.? It never even approaches getting warm unlike the rf deck. BillK3WJV ? ? On Monday, August 20, 2018, 12:24:55 PM EDT, Bob via Elecraft wrote:? Well maybe this requires a reply from Elecraft.? They seem to be furnishing conflicting information on this. I asked that question and here is the reply I received: Elecraft:? Placement of the power supply can be anywhere within the 5.5 ft distance of the power supply cable and control cables, both of which are 5.5 ft. ? Air passing through the power supply is from left to right in a horizontal manner.? This means that it will not work properly standing on its side. Seems logical that setting it on the side would restrict the air flow severely. I'd have liked to place mine vertically on its side but did not based on this. Mine sits? under the desk on a riser so I did not lose foot space.? I did not require easy access to the switch as I totally kill the equipment circuits in the shack at shutdown. 73, Bob K2TK? ex KN2TKR (1956) & K2TKR On 8/20/2018 9:33 AM, Dauer, Edward wrote: > Before mine arrived a few weeks ago I put exactly that question to Elecraft Support.? The reply was that there would be no problem mounting the PS vertically, so long as the air clearances are observed for the air flow -- I believe it's three inches at the top and at the rear, but the manual is pretty clear on that.? I've mounted mine that way.? When sitting on its side the On-Off switch is conveniently near the top-rear edge.? Works FB. > > Ted, KN1CBR > > >? ? ? ------------------------------ >? ? ? >? ? ? Message: 21 >? ? ? Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2018 00:09:09 -0400 >? ? ? From: "Peter Dougherty" >? ? ? To: >? ? ? Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 PSU mounting position >? ? ? Message-ID: <004401d4383b$8c21ac70$a4650550$@net> >? ? ? ? ? >? ? ? Hi All, >? ? ? My KPA-1500 arrived over the weekend and I've not gotten a chance yet to set it >? ? ? up. In looking at both the amp and the power supply I noticed both have carrying >? ? ? handles and rubber feet. Are these rubber feet just there for transporting the >? ? ? untis, or can the power supply actually be run vertically with equal efficiency >? ? ? and cooling as it would be horizontally? If so, that would fit my operating desk >? ? ? perfectly. >? ? ? >? ? ? ---------------------------------------------------- >? ? ? >? ? ? Thanks in advance. >? ? ? Regards, >? ? ? Peter W2IRT ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to k3wjv at yahoo.com ? ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to richarddw1945 at yahoo.com From tombewick at gmail.com Tue Aug 21 12:05:15 2018 From: tombewick at gmail.com (K2bew) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2018 12:05:15 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: WWV/WWVH Closure In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sorry don't agree at all. Emergency communications when everything is down and people need help is not comparable to a transmitter that puts out the time according to an atomic clock over radio. You can always use a sundial, and knowing the time to the second is not necessary in an emergency. Tom On Tue, Aug 21, 2018, 9:43 AM Phil Kane wrote: > On 8/20/2018 7:16 PM, K2bew wrote: > > > With the internet and phones that use data and or GPS satellites to > > constantly synch time more effectively than radio sygnals it does > > seem crazy to fund it. > > This is the same sort of argument that some folks in the Emergency > Management community raise - why do we need radios when we have cell > phones and the internet. That assumes that the internet and the > cell-phone infrastructure that depends on same will exist when the chips > are down. > > I remember being in the studios of a major AM radio station when the > corporate auditor told the chief engineer "this could be a very > profitable operation if we could get rid of this thing called the > transmitter". (Rest in peace, Howie....) > > I would suspect that the incremental cost of running WWV and WWVH - > which are mostly "set and forget" operations - is of the same order of > magnitude as the paper towel and toilet paper bill for that agency. > > 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane > Elecraft K2/100 s/n 5402 > > From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest > Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon > From lists at w2irt.net Tue Aug 21 13:28:00 2018 From: lists at w2irt.net (Peter W2IRT) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2018 13:28:00 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 questions and low pass filters Message-ID: <002701d43974$4fba3560$ef2ea020$@net> Hi all, Just got my 1500 connected last night and so far so good. I do have two questions, however. First, is it possible to toggle standby and operate from the K3s, instead of using either the remote software or physically pressing the button on the amp? And second, I was under the impression that there was a way to have separate transmitter powers depending on whether the amp is inline or not. I normally like to run the full 100W from the K3s, but when I kick the amp in, I have to drop TX power to ~25 Watts. Another issue I have involves the feed path. I am using a remote antenna switch mounted at the tower. At the moment I have all my HF antennas connected through there, using the Antenna 1 port on the amp (previously on the K3s). Antenna 2 is for 6m only. I would like to route the 6m antenna from this switchbox as well, but the problem is the HF output is running through a low-pass filter. Are there low-pass filters that don't cut off until ~54 MHz? ---------------------------------------------------- Regards, Peter Dougherty From eric at elecraft.com Tue Aug 21 13:56:55 2018 From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2018 10:56:55 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: WWV/WWVH Closure In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5f5ef858-17fb-0295-eb54-deaec395a3bd@elecraft.com> Folks - this thread was already closed. Please no more WWV posts. 73, Eric Moderator, COO, etc. /elecraft.com/ On 8/21/2018 9:05 AM, K2bew wrote: > Sorry don't agree at all. Emergency communications when everything is down > and people need help is not comparable to a transmitter that puts out the > time according to an atomic clock over radio. You can always use a sundial, > and knowing the time to the second is not necessary in an emergency. > Tom > > From ldormiston at gmail.com Tue Aug 21 13:57:54 2018 From: ldormiston at gmail.com (Lee Ormiston) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2018 11:57:54 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: WWV/WWVH Closure In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The cesium and iridium clocks at National Institute of Standards and Technology through WWV and WWVH broadcasts, provide the time signals to the Global Positioning System satellites which without time signals to the Wide Area Augmentation system from WWV & WWVH are not accurate for navigation purposes. The WWV and WWVH broadcasts also provide the time signals for satellites and space probes. These signals also provide the time stability for all the Joe Taylor communication modes. The bit about my $30 wrist watch being incredibly accurate is not important in the grand scheme of things. 73 Lee NORRL On Tue, Aug 21, 2018 at 10:05 AM, K2bew wrote: > Sorry don't agree at all. Emergency communications when everything is down > and people need help is not comparable to a transmitter that puts out the > time according to an atomic clock over radio. You can always use a sundial, > and knowing the time to the second is not necessary in an emergency. > Tom > > On Tue, Aug 21, 2018, 9:43 AM Phil Kane wrote: > > > On 8/20/2018 7:16 PM, K2bew wrote: > > > > > With the internet and phones that use data and or GPS satellites to > > > constantly synch time more effectively than radio sygnals it does > > > seem crazy to fund it. > > > > This is the same sort of argument that some folks in the Emergency > > Management community raise - why do we need radios when we have cell > > phones and the internet. That assumes that the internet and the > > cell-phone infrastructure that depends on same will exist when the chips > > are down. > > > > I remember being in the studios of a major AM radio station when the > > corporate auditor told the chief engineer "this could be a very > > profitable operation if we could get rid of this thing called the > > transmitter". (Rest in peace, Howie....) > > > > I would suspect that the incremental cost of running WWV and WWVH - > > which are mostly "set and forget" operations - is of the same order of > > magnitude as the paper towel and toilet paper bill for that agency. > > > > 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane > > Elecraft K2/100 s/n 5402 > > > > From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest > > Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to ldormiston at gmail.com > From n5lz at comcast.net Tue Aug 21 14:06:00 2018 From: n5lz at comcast.net (Don Butler) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2018 12:06:00 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 questions and low pass filters In-Reply-To: <002701d43974$4fba3560$ef2ea020$@net> References: <002701d43974$4fba3560$ef2ea020$@net> Message-ID: Peter, I?m not completely sure because I have my amp in the shack within reach, but I think you?ll need to switch in and out of standby from the amp itself (unless you?re using remote software) ?. But regarding the second question, if you have selected ?power per band? from the K3s menu, and if you have the rig and KPA1500 connected with the auxiliary cable, the K3s power settings will follow the oper/stby selection on the amplifier?. And will be specific for each band. When you switch into standby, the K3s will switch to the barefoot power of your choice (100W in your case) ?. When you switch to operate, the K3s will drop to the drive power that had been selected the last time you used the amplifier on that band. Don, N5LZ Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Peter W2IRT Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2018 11:29 AM To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 questions and low pass filters Hi all, Just got my 1500 connected last night and so far so good. I do have two questions, however. First, is it possible to toggle standby and operate from the K3s, instead of using either the remote software or physically pressing the button on the amp? And second, I was under the impression that there was a way to have separate transmitter powers depending on whether the amp is inline or not. I normally like to run the full 100W from the K3s, but when I kick the amp in, I have to drop TX power to ~25 Watts. Another issue I have involves the feed path. I am using a remote antenna switch mounted at the tower. At the moment I have all my HF antennas connected through there, using the Antenna 1 port on the amp (previously on the K3s). Antenna 2 is for 6m only. I would like to route the 6m antenna from this switchbox as well, but the problem is the HF output is running through a low-pass filter. Are there low-pass filters that don't cut off until ~54 MHz? ---------------------------------------------------- Regards, Peter Dougherty ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to n5lz at comcast.net From htodd at twofifty.com Tue Aug 21 14:07:25 2018 From: htodd at twofifty.com (Hisashi T Fujinaka) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2018 11:07:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 questions and low pass filters In-Reply-To: <002701d43974$4fba3560$ef2ea020$@net> References: <002701d43974$4fba3560$ef2ea020$@net> Message-ID: I had similar questions. Use a cable with RCA jacks to connect the K3/K3S rear panel 12V DC OUT RCA connector to the KPA1500 REM RCA connector to wake it up. You'll still need something to change OPERATE/STANDBY on the KPA1500, but I just use the KPA1500 utility over Ethernet. The power output on your K3/K3S will be different when you have the amp in OPERATE or STANDBY. On Tue, 21 Aug 2018, Peter W2IRT wrote: > Hi all, > Just got my 1500 connected last night and so far so good. I do have two > questions, however. First, is it possible to toggle standby and operate from the > K3s, instead of using either the remote software or physically pressing the > button on the amp? And second, I was under the impression that there was a way > to have separate transmitter powers depending on whether the amp is inline or > not. I normally like to run the full 100W from the K3s, but when I kick the amp > in, I have to drop TX power to ~25 Watts. > > Another issue I have involves the feed path. I am using a remote antenna switch > mounted at the tower. At the moment I have all my HF antennas connected through > there, using the Antenna 1 port on the amp (previously on the K3s). Antenna 2 is > for 6m only. I would like to route the 6m antenna from this switchbox as well, > but the problem is the HF output is running through a low-pass filter. Are there > low-pass filters that don't cut off until ~54 MHz? > > ---------------------------------------------------- > > Regards, > Peter Dougherty > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to htodd at twofifty.com > -- Hisashi T Fujinaka - htodd at twofifty.com BSEE + BSChem + BAEnglish + MSCS + $2.50 = coffee From eric at elecraft.com Tue Aug 21 14:28:32 2018 From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2018 11:28:32 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: WWV/WWVH Closure In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: As noted in my prior email - This thread was closed yesterday. 73, Eric /elecraft.com/ On 8/21/2018 10:57 AM, Lee Ormiston wrote: > The cesium and iridium clocks at National Institute of Standards and > Technology through WWV and WWVH broadcasts, provide the time signals to the > Global Positioning System satellites which without time signals to the Wide > Area Augmentation system from WWV & WWVH are not accurate for navigation > purposes. The WWV and WWVH broadcasts also provide the time signals for > satellites and space probes. > > These signals also provide the time stability for all the Joe Taylor > communication modes. > > The bit about my $30 wrist watch being incredibly accurate is not important > in the grand scheme of things. > > 73 Lee > NORRL > > On Tue, Aug 21, 2018 at 10:05 AM, K2bew wrote: > >> Sorry don't agree at all. Emergency communications when everything is down >> and people need help is not comparable to a transmitter that puts out the >> time according to an atomic clock over radio. You can always use a sundial, >> and knowing the time to the second is not necessary in an emergency. >> Tom >> >> On Tue, Aug 21, 2018, 9:43 AM Phil Kane wrote: >> >>> On 8/20/2018 7:16 PM, K2bew wrote: >>> >>>> With the internet and phones that use data and or GPS satellites to >>>> constantly synch time more effectively than radio sygnals it does >>>> seem crazy to fund it. >>> This is the same sort of argument that some folks in the Emergency >>> Management community raise - why do we need radios when we have cell >>> phones and the internet. That assumes that the internet and the >>> cell-phone infrastructure that depends on same will exist when the chips >>> are down. >>> >>> I remember being in the studios of a major AM radio station when the >>> corporate auditor told the chief engineer "this could be a very >>> profitable operation if we could get rid of this thing called the >>> transmitter". (Rest in peace, Howie....) >>> >>> I would suspect that the incremental cost of running WWV and WWVH - >>> which are mostly "set and forget" operations - is of the same order of >>> magnitude as the paper towel and toilet paper bill for that agency. >>> >>> 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane >>> Elecraft K2/100 s/n 5402 >>> >>> From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest >>> Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon >>> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to ldormiston at gmail.com >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to eric.swartz at elecraft.com From donwilh at embarqmail.com Tue Aug 21 15:56:51 2018 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2018 15:56:51 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] VOX Sensitivity for K2 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3c9154f8-4c65-2d11-abfb-7ee306040c7e@embarqmail.com> Ted, Which Heil Proset are you using? There are basicly two types - those with an electret mic element and those with a dynamic mic element. The Proset-K2 and the Proset-iC have electret mics while the others have the dynamic. Look at the pivot button for the microphone arm to see which type you have. Your setting is usually fine for the dynamic microphones, but with the electret mics usually only need SSBA set to 1. 73, Don W3FPR On 8/18/2018 11:20 PM, Dauer, Edward wrote: > Is there a procedure for reducing the VOX sensitivity in the K2? I have found nothing in the Manual or in the Menu menu. I am using a Heil Proset. The VOX triggers when I let a pen drop on the desk . . . I believe I am using the recommended SSB settings - SSB-A at 2 and SSB-C at 3-1. Any advice? From nz3o.us at gmail.com Tue Aug 21 16:03:33 2018 From: nz3o.us at gmail.com (Byron Peebles) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2018 16:03:33 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] CW Transmit Filter Bandwidth Message-ID: I have noticed that Elecraft K3/K3S defaults to setting the wide SSB filter as the CW TX filter. Is there a technical reason for doing this? Would it be better to use a 1kHz filter or one of the narrow CW filters? Thanks, in advance. 73, Byron NZ3O From donwilh at embarqmail.com Tue Aug 21 16:05:14 2018 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2018 16:05:14 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 PSU mounting position In-Reply-To: <004401d4383b$8c21ac70$a4650550$@net> References: <004401d4383b$8c21ac70$a4650550$@net> Message-ID: <4ba8542e-4662-461d-c7fe-999deccc87fd@embarqmail.com> Peter, If you mount the KPA1500 power supply vertically, put it on the front panel and there will be no interference with the air flow. Note that the LEDs stick out a bit from the front panel, so put the large part of the front panel on something that will be as thick or thicker than the amount the LEDs project - like a piece of wood or plastic. 73, Don W3FPR On 8/20/2018 12:09 AM, Peter Dougherty wrote: > Hi All, > My KPA-1500 arrived over the weekend and I've not gotten a chance yet to set it > up. In looking at both the amp and the power supply I noticed both have carrying > handles and rubber feet. Are these rubber feet just there for transporting the > untis, or can the power supply actually be run vertically with equal efficiency > and cooling as it would be horizontally? If so, that would fit my operating desk > perfectly. From donwilh at embarqmail.com Tue Aug 21 16:06:07 2018 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2018 16:06:07 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Utilities on Linux In-Reply-To: <001101d4383f$b2cb4cb0$1861e610$@netvision.net.il> References: <001101d4383f$b2cb4cb0$1861e610$@netvision.net.il> Message-ID: Just download them and install. 73, Don W3FPR On 8/20/2018 12:38 AM, TL_Netvision wrote: > Hello all, > > > > I want to install the K3, KPA500, KAT500 & P3 utilities on a Linux > mint-18.4 computer. From donwilh at embarqmail.com Tue Aug 21 16:23:30 2018 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2018 16:23:30 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KAT100 - Reluctant to come on, K2 often displays "not inst" In-Reply-To: References: <2336AC02-9798-4F7C-866E-C82FA9B415DE@arrl.net> <89870705-4656-0083-0ac1-a2469f8a7762@embarqmail.com> <10F9E070-ABB9-41FB-BFB6-853398AC13BC@arrl.net> <9e5a1f75-f2b4-bc0b-4d58-fba815734008@embarqmail.com> <5E1E252C-82EA-4AA2-AB53-DEDE39E21D39@arrl.net> Message-ID: Bill, The AUXBUS is NOT at fault. The parts to concentrate on are shown in the lower left corner of sheet 2 of the KAT100 manual.? Something there is not working reliably.? My first guess would be Q2, but it could be something else associated. That entire powering circuit is controlled only by the 12CTRL signal from the K2. 73, Don W3FPR On 8/19/2018 9:32 PM, Bill Coleman wrote: > OK. I could use a little more help with this issue. > > Let?s re-cap where we are. > > Issue: > > KAT100 doesn?t always turn on right away. When it does this, it may or may not switch low/high power LEDs when the power control is rotated. Pressing Ant 1/2 or Tune, the K2 will indicate ?not inst?. Sometimes it will power up just fine. > > Observations: > > - If powered on incorrectly, the KAT100 never ?recovers? ? if the K2 doesn?t see the KAT100 at power up, it never discovers it. > > - Generally fails when unit is cold / not used in a while, will eventually work if turned and left on for several hours, then switched off and back on. > > - KAT100 is receiving power before the K2 is switched on. When the K2 is switched on the 12CTRL line on J3 pin 8 comes up immediately, and the 5V output from U8 does as well. So, power is immediately available when the K2 is switched on > > - When the KAT100 works, the ANT 1/2 and Low / High Power LEDs light immediately on power-on. > > - When the KAT100 fails, the ANT 1/2 and Low / High Power LEDs stay dark for a second or so, sometimes a few seconds > > - AUXBUS transitions are coming in on J3 pin 6 and make it all the way to U1 Pin 40. > > - I have two different interconnect cables. One is a three-way cable built exactly to the KAT100 specs, complete with jackscrews. The other is a simple two-way cable that connects Pin 1 and Pin 6-9 straight through with no jackscrews. Failure occurs with either cable. > > - I have reseated the U1 chip in its socket with no change in behavior. > > My current working theory is that there?s something in the KAT100 that prevents the U1 chip from resetting quickly. If it comes up immediately, the LEDs light and the K2 catches the unit during initialization. If its sleepy and doesn?t come up right away, it misses the opportunity to initialize and the K2 doesn?t know it is there. I think the antenna tuner and the low/high power indication are done in two separate initialization steps, because sometimes the KAT100 will respond to turning the power knob, and sometimes it won?t when the Ant 1/2 / Tune always responds with ?not inst?. > > Nothing else in the K2 apparently suffers from any AUXBUS failures, all the other units - SSB, NB, DSP, KPA100 always come up right away. This makes me think the issue isn?t with the K2, but perhaps with the KAT100 alone. > > Anyone have suggestions? I?d really like to make my K2/100 with KAT100 a reliable rig again. I don?t want to have to power it up a day before I want to use it. > From donwilh at embarqmail.com Tue Aug 21 16:33:03 2018 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2018 16:33:03 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] CW Transmit Filter Bandwidth In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Byron, The K3/K3S is designed to use the filter that is installed "stock" in all transceivers, so you need to select the 2.7 (or 2.8) filter for CW (or any other mode except AM, FM or ESSB) for transmit. Requiring a 1kHz filter for CW transmit would require that filter be included in the basic package and would increase the price of the transceiver. This sounds like a 'curiosity' question - the K3/K3S works fine with the 2.7/2.8kHz filter for CW transmit. 73, Don W3FPR On 8/21/2018 4:03 PM, Byron Peebles wrote: > I have noticed that Elecraft K3/K3S defaults to setting the wide SSB > filter as the CW TX filter. > > Is there a technical reason for doing this? Would it be better to use a > 1kHz filter or one of the narrow CW filters? From nz3o.us at gmail.com Tue Aug 21 16:42:15 2018 From: nz3o.us at gmail.com (Byron Peebles) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2018 16:42:15 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] CW Transmit Filter Bandwidth In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6751c92d-202e-b323-1b16-2398b7451c65@arrl.net> Don: I do understand it works, since every unit is shipped that way. My question is more in the vein of wouldn't using a 1kHz or less filter be safer/cleaner/logical for CW? Obviously, not as a factory default, since only one filter is sure to be there, but on a per-user basis. I thought years ago (before I had Elecraft) I read that a narrower TX signal made for a stronger signal within that narrower bandwidth. 73, Byron NZ3O On 08/21/2018 04:33 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > Byron, > > The K3/K3S is designed to use the filter that is installed "stock" in > all transceivers, so you need to select the 2.7 (or 2.8) filter for CW > (or any other mode except AM, FM or ESSB) for transmit. > > Requiring a 1kHz filter for CW transmit would require that filter be > included in the basic package and would increase the price of the > transceiver. > > This sounds like a 'curiosity' question - the K3/K3S works fine with > the 2.7/2.8kHz filter for CW transmit. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > > On 8/21/2018 4:03 PM, Byron Peebles wrote: >> I have noticed that Elecraft K3/K3S defaults to setting the wide SSB >> filter as the CW TX filter. >> >> Is there a technical reason for doing this? Would it be better to use >> a 1kHz filter or one of the narrow CW filters? > From wunder at wunderwood.org Tue Aug 21 16:47:41 2018 From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2018 13:47:41 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] CW Transmit Filter Bandwidth In-Reply-To: <6751c92d-202e-b323-1b16-2398b7451c65@arrl.net> References: <6751c92d-202e-b323-1b16-2398b7451c65@arrl.net> Message-ID: <1598A320-25E9-4A35-9CBC-8CF641C36F2C@wunderwood.org> As I understand it, the K3 generates a very clean CW signal with DSP. There isn?t anything to filter out. A narrow filter might add distortion and make things worse. wunder K6WRU Walter Underwood CM87wj http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) > On Aug 21, 2018, at 1:42 PM, Byron Peebles wrote: > > Don: > > I do understand it works, since every unit is shipped that way. > > My question is more in the vein of wouldn't using a 1kHz or less filter be safer/cleaner/logical for CW? > > Obviously, not as a factory default, since only one filter is sure to be there, but on a per-user basis. > > I thought years ago (before I had Elecraft) I read that a narrower TX signal made for a stronger signal within that narrower bandwidth. > > 73, Byron NZ3O > > > On 08/21/2018 04:33 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: >> Byron, >> >> The K3/K3S is designed to use the filter that is installed "stock" in all transceivers, so you need to select the 2.7 (or 2.8) filter for CW (or any other mode except AM, FM or ESSB) for transmit. >> >> Requiring a 1kHz filter for CW transmit would require that filter be included in the basic package and would increase the price of the transceiver. >> >> This sounds like a 'curiosity' question - the K3/K3S works fine with the 2.7/2.8kHz filter for CW transmit. >> >> 73, >> Don W3FPR >> >> >> On 8/21/2018 4:03 PM, Byron Peebles wrote: >>> I have noticed that Elecraft K3/K3S defaults to setting the wide SSB filter as the CW TX filter. >>> >>> Is there a technical reason for doing this? Would it be better to use a 1kHz filter or one of the narrow CW filters? >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wunder at wunderwood.org From nz3o.us at gmail.com Tue Aug 21 16:48:27 2018 From: nz3o.us at gmail.com (Byron Peebles) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2018 16:48:27 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] CW Transmit Filter Bandwidth In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <92471b53-f17b-5805-f372-0cee66ebca4a@arrl.net> I would add that changing the TX FLT to something else generates an error when I try to use it. 73, Byron On 08/21/2018 04:33 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > Byron, > > The K3/K3S is designed to use the filter that is installed "stock" in > all transceivers, so you need to select the 2.7 (or 2.8) filter for CW > (or any other mode except AM, FM or ESSB) for transmit. > > Requiring a 1kHz filter for CW transmit would require that filter be > included in the basic package and would increase the price of the > transceiver. > > This sounds like a 'curiosity' question - the K3/K3S works fine with > the 2.7/2.8kHz filter for CW transmit. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > > On 8/21/2018 4:03 PM, Byron Peebles wrote: >> I have noticed that Elecraft K3/K3S defaults to setting the wide SSB >> filter as the CW TX filter. >> >> Is there a technical reason for doing this? Would it be better to use >> a 1kHz filter or one of the narrow CW filters? > From ed.n3cw at gmail.com Tue Aug 21 16:52:16 2018 From: ed.n3cw at gmail.com (Ed G) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2018 16:52:16 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] New KPA1500 Remote Program In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5b7c7b80.1c69fb81.6bf6.d373@mx.google.com> Hello, Anyone else getting a virus hit when trying to install the KPA1500 Remote program (ver 1.14)? I get a ?filerepmalware? indication, and Avast moves the exe file into the Avast file locker. I am running Win 10. --Ed? --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From n4elm at bellsouth.net Tue Aug 21 17:00:17 2018 From: n4elm at bellsouth.net (William Redfearn) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2018 21:00:17 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 DX References: <916826460.709528.1534885217100.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <916826460.709528.1534885217100@mail.yahoo.com> Strange, cranking up the compression doesn't seem to be affecting my 5 watt CW signal much :-) In keeping with the discussion, I use a small amount of compression and no TX equalization on SSB and have had good success and audio compliments at 10 watts. 73,?Dave RedfearnARS?N4ELM? Lafayette, LAQRL? de N4ELM/qrp From donwilh at embarqmail.com Tue Aug 21 17:00:52 2018 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2018 17:00:52 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] CW Transmit Filter Bandwidth In-Reply-To: <6751c92d-202e-b323-1b16-2398b7451c65@arrl.net> References: <6751c92d-202e-b323-1b16-2398b7451c65@arrl.net> Message-ID: <940b8998-bb59-79b0-0da1-146d6f59c1a8@embarqmail.com> Byron, You are assuming that the CW signal shape is controlled by the TX filter. It is not - that is done in the DSP and produces a clean single frequency signal that is quite good at TX phase noise and keying artifacts. As long as that signal fits within the bandpass of the filter all will be well.? In other words, a 1kHz filter would not produce an improvement. It might with some other rigs, but not with the K3/K3S because the filter is not the limiting factor - the DSP shaping and the low TX phase noise of the K3/K3S are the determining factors. 73, Don W3FPR On 8/21/2018 4:42 PM, Byron Peebles wrote: > Don: > > I do understand it works, since every unit is shipped that way. > > My question is more in the vein of wouldn't using a 1kHz or less > filter be safer/cleaner/logical for CW? > > Obviously, not as a factory default, since only one filter is sure to > be there, but on a per-user basis. > > I thought years ago (before I had Elecraft) I read that a narrower TX > signal made for a stronger signal within that narrower bandwidth. > From ethridgemarks at gmail.com Tue Aug 21 17:02:32 2018 From: ethridgemarks at gmail.com (Mark Ethridge) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2018 16:02:32 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] New KPA1500 Remote Program In-Reply-To: <5b7c7b80.1c69fb81.6bf6.d373@mx.google.com> References: <5b7c7b80.1c69fb81.6bf6.d373@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Anytime you suspect a file or url to be malicious you can submit it on virustotal.com for analysis. de k4sne Mark Ethridge On Tue, Aug 21, 2018, 3:52 PM Ed G wrote: > > Hello, > Anyone else getting a virus hit when trying to install the KPA1500 > Remote program (ver 1.14)? I get a ?filerepmalware? indication, and Avast > moves the exe file into the Avast file locker. I am running Win 10. > --Ed? > > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to ethridgemarks at gmail.com From donwilh at embarqmail.com Tue Aug 21 17:02:49 2018 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2018 17:02:49 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] CW Transmit Filter Bandwidth In-Reply-To: <92471b53-f17b-5805-f372-0cee66ebca4a@arrl.net> References: <92471b53-f17b-5805-f372-0cee66ebca4a@arrl.net> Message-ID: Byron, Yes, if you select anything other than the 2.7/2.8 filter for CW transmit, you will receive an error. 73, Don W3FPR On 8/21/2018 4:48 PM, Byron Peebles wrote: > I would add that changing the TX FLT to something else generates an > error when I try to use it. 73, Byron > > > On 08/21/2018 04:33 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: >> Byron, >> >> The K3/K3S is designed to use the filter that is installed "stock" in >> all transceivers, so you need to select the 2.7 (or 2.8) filter for >> CW (or any other mode except AM, FM or ESSB) for transmit. >> >> Requiring a 1kHz filter for CW transmit would require that filter be >> included in the basic package and would increase the price of the >> transceiver. >> >> This sounds like a 'curiosity' question - the K3/K3S works fine with >> the 2.7/2.8kHz filter for CW transmit. From tony.kaz at verizon.net Tue Aug 21 17:31:59 2018 From: tony.kaz at verizon.net (N2TK, Tony) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2018 17:31:59 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] New KPA1500 Remote Program In-Reply-To: <5b7c7b80.1c69fb81.6bf6.d373@mx.google.com> References: <5b7c7b80.1c69fb81.6bf6.d373@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <004b01d43996$64f4a7e0$2eddf7a0$@verizon.net> Is there any word on the KPA1500 remote program? Still using the Utility program here for remote control. N2TK, Tony -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Ed G Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2018 4:52 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] New KPA1500 Remote Program Hello, Anyone else getting a virus hit when trying to install the KPA1500 Remote program (ver 1.14)? I get a ?filerepmalware? indication, and Avast moves the exe file into the Avast file locker. I am running Win 10. --Ed? --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to tony.kaz at verizon.net From tonybarclay1 at gmail.com Tue Aug 21 18:17:48 2018 From: tonybarclay1 at gmail.com (tonybarclay1 at gmail.com) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2018 23:17:48 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] Audio on FT8 Message-ID: <6A0D6B5C-E5A1-4577-AA11-9417F19DDE18@gmail.com> Im using my K3s fot Ft8 and have the audio and monitor tuned of. After aprox 30 - 40 mins I then start hearing the transmit through the transceiver speaker not the sp3s. Sent from my iPhone From eric at elecraft.com Tue Aug 21 19:26:02 2018 From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2018 16:26:02 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] New KPA1500 Remote Program In-Reply-To: <004b01d43996$64f4a7e0$2eddf7a0$@verizon.net> References: <5b7c7b80.1c69fb81.6bf6.d373@mx.google.com> <004b01d43996$64f4a7e0$2eddf7a0$@verizon.net> Message-ID: <3c11dd40-2b82-b816-6754-2fa5ff00a6c0@elecraft.com> We do not see any virus violations here when installing the latest version of KPA1500 Remote on our W10 or Windows 8 machines. I'm using it to control the KPA1500 amp at my home station from work. Of course it always asks you to confirm first before allowing installation. Eric /elecraft.com/ On 8/21/2018 2:31 PM, N2TK, Tony wrote: > Is there any word on the KPA1500 remote program? Still using the Utility program here for remote control. > N2TK, Tony > > -----Original Message----- > From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Ed G > Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2018 4:52 PM > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: [Elecraft] New KPA1500 Remote Program > > > Hello, > Anyone else getting a virus hit when trying to install the KPA1500 Remote program (ver 1.14)? I get a ?filerepmalware? indication, and Avast moves the exe file into the Avast file locker. I am running Win 10. > --Ed? > > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to tony.kaz at verizon.net > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to eric.swartz at elecraft.com From tony.kaz at verizon.net Tue Aug 21 19:26:03 2018 From: tony.kaz at verizon.net (N2TK, Tony) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2018 19:26:03 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] New KPA1500 Remote Program In-Reply-To: <3c11dd40-2b82-b816-6754-2fa5ff00a6c0@elecraft.com> References: <5b7c7b80.1c69fb81.6bf6.d373@mx.google.com> <004b01d43996$64f4a7e0$2eddf7a0$@verizon.net> <3c11dd40-2b82-b816-6754-2fa5ff00a6c0@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <00ac01d439a6$5479f4a0$fd6ddde0$@verizon.net> It?s working well here with Win 10 Tnx Eric N2TK, Tony From: Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft [mailto:eric at elecraft.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2018 7:26 PM To: N2TK, Tony ; 'Ed G' ; elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] New KPA1500 Remote Program We do not see any virus violations here when installing the latest version of KPA1500 Remote on our W10 or Windows 8 machines. I'm using it to control the KPA1500 amp at my home station from work. Of course it always asks you to confirm first before allowing installation. Eric elecraft.com On 8/21/2018 2:31 PM, N2TK, Tony wrote: Is there any word on the KPA1500 remote program? Still using the Utility program here for remote control. N2TK, Tony -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Ed G Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2018 4:52 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] New KPA1500 Remote Program Hello, Anyone else getting a virus hit when trying to install the KPA1500 Remote program (ver 1.14)? I get a ?filerepmalware? indication, and Avast moves the exe file into the Avast file locker. I am running Win 10. --Ed? --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to tony.kaz at verizon.net ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to eric.swartz at elecraft.com From ethridgemarks at gmail.com Tue Aug 21 19:55:16 2018 From: ethridgemarks at gmail.com (Mark Ethridge) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2018 18:55:16 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] New KPA1500 Remote Program In-Reply-To: <00ac01d439a6$5479f4a0$fd6ddde0$@verizon.net> References: <5b7c7b80.1c69fb81.6bf6.d373@mx.google.com> <004b01d43996$64f4a7e0$2eddf7a0$@verizon.net> <3c11dd40-2b82-b816-6754-2fa5ff00a6c0@elecraft.com> <00ac01d439a6$5479f4a0$fd6ddde0$@verizon.net> Message-ID: 6 out of 66 on virustotal would indicate a false positive. The well known scanners didn't show anything. I would just disable avast while installing or tell avast to whitelist the file. de k4sne On Tue, Aug 21, 2018 at 6:26 PM, N2TK, Tony wrote: > It?s working well here with Win 10 > > Tnx Eric > > > > N2TK, Tony > > > > From: Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft [mailto:eric at elecraft.com] > Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2018 7:26 PM > To: N2TK, Tony ; 'Ed G' ; > elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] New KPA1500 Remote Program > > > > We do not see any virus violations here when installing the latest version > of KPA1500 Remote on our W10 or Windows 8 machines. I'm using it to control > the KPA1500 amp at my home station from work. > > Of course it always asks you to confirm first before allowing > installation. > > > Eric > elecraft.com > > On 8/21/2018 2:31 PM, N2TK, Tony wrote: > > Is there any word on the KPA1500 remote program? Still using the Utility > program here for remote control. > N2TK, Tony > > -----Original Message----- > From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net mailman.qth.net> [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of > Ed G > Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2018 4:52 PM > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: [Elecraft] New KPA1500 Remote Program > > > Hello, > Anyone else getting a virus hit when trying to install the KPA1500 > Remote program (ver 1.14)? I get a ?filerepmalware? indication, and Avast > moves the exe file into the Avast file locker. I am running Win 10. > --Ed? > > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to tony.kaz at verizon.net > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to eric.swartz at elecraft.com eric.swartz at elecraft.com> > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to ethridgemarks at gmail.com > From n6kr at elecraft.com Tue Aug 21 20:06:45 2018 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2018 17:06:45 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] OT (maybe): Fewer mosquitos to worry about on Field Day? Message-ID: <5ADB2615-C6D6-4F25-AE10-59F38C707253@elecraft.com> Here?s a bit of peer-reviewed hard science I somehow missed. Also appeared in Wall Street Journal, etc., but this podcast explains it better. Listener discretion advised... not suitable for easily discouraged next-generation listeners. https://bit.ly/2ORWTrR I hope they?re wrong. Wayne N6KR ---- http://www.elecraft.com From lladerman at earthlink.net Tue Aug 21 20:09:13 2018 From: lladerman at earthlink.net (W0FK) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2018 17:09:13 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] New KPA1500 Remote Program In-Reply-To: References: <5b7c7b80.1c69fb81.6bf6.d373@mx.google.com> <004b01d43996$64f4a7e0$2eddf7a0$@verizon.net> <3c11dd40-2b82-b816-6754-2fa5ff00a6c0@elecraft.com> <00ac01d439a6$5479f4a0$fd6ddde0$@verizon.net> Message-ID: <1534896553636-0.post@n2.nabble.com> I have the same issue with most Elecraft and other ham-related programs when using Norton. The files get quarantined after downloading because they're 'suspect", typically due to "few users". There should be a setting in your anti-virus program to get the file restored and "ignored" or "allowed". Lou, W0FK ----- St. Louis, MO "The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits." Albert Einstein -- Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ From ed.n3cw at gmail.com Tue Aug 21 20:32:57 2018 From: ed.n3cw at gmail.com (Ed G) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2018 20:32:57 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] New KPA1500 Remote Program In-Reply-To: References: <5b7c7b80.1c69fb81.6bf6.d373@mx.google.com> <004b01d43996$64f4a7e0$2eddf7a0$@verizon.net> <3c11dd40-2b82-b816-6754-2fa5ff00a6c0@elecraft.com> <00ac01d439a6$5479f4a0$fd6ddde0$@verizon.net> Message-ID: <5b7caf3a.1c69fb81.34d03.21ac@mx.google.com> That sounds good to me. Thanks all for helping. --Ed? Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Mark Ethridge Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2018 7:55 PM To: N2TK, Tony Cc: Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft; Ed G; Elecraft Reflector Subject: Re: [Elecraft] New KPA1500 Remote Program 6 out of 66 on virustotal would indicate a false positive. The well known scanners didn't show anything. I would just disable avast while installing or tell avast to whitelist the file. de k4sne On Tue, Aug 21, 2018 at 6:26 PM, N2TK, Tony wrote: It?s working well here with Win 10 Tnx Eric N2TK, Tony From: Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft [mailto:eric at elecraft.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2018 7:26 PM To: N2TK, Tony ; 'Ed G' ; elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] New KPA1500 Remote Program We do not see any virus violations here when installing the latest version of KPA1500 Remote on our W10 or Windows 8 machines. I'm using it to control the KPA1500 amp at my home station from work. Of course it always asks you to confirm first before allowing installation. Eric elecraft.com On 8/21/2018 2:31 PM, N2TK, Tony wrote: Is there any word on the KPA1500 remote program? Still using the Utility program here for remote control. N2TK, Tony -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net ? [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Ed G Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2018 4:52 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] New KPA1500 Remote Program Hello, ? ? ?Anyone else getting a virus hit when trying to install the KPA1500 Remote program (ver 1.14)? I get a ?filerepmalware? indication, and Avast moves the exe file into the Avast file locker. I am running Win 10. --Ed? --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to tony.kaz at verizon.net ? ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to eric.swartz at elecraft.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ethridgemarks at gmail.com From n6kr at elecraft.com Tue Aug 21 20:43:02 2018 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2018 17:43:02 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] OT (maybe): Fewer mosquitos to worry about on Field Day? In-Reply-To: References: <5ADB2615-C6D6-4F25-AE10-59F38C707253@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <7759AB57-FBD9-44F5-A261-F21CB3113955@elecraft.com> Hi Lynn, The interesting part is in the first 15 minutes. There's also a text transcript. Search for "Show Transcript" at: https://loe.org/shows/shows.html?programID=18-P13-00033 Wayne > On Aug 21, 2018, at 5:34 PM, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT wrote: > > For those of us who don't have 50 minutes to listen to audio, is there a written version of this? > > ... or maybe the right keywords to search? > > Thanks! > > 73 -- Lynn From n6kr at elecraft.com Tue Aug 21 20:59:09 2018 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2018 17:59:09 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KX2/KX3 operating tip: Creating a CW "sound stage" using AFX PITCH mode Message-ID: <7748514F-D210-45BA-9135-663352C54861@elecraft.com> Hi all, The KX3 has two different AFX (audio effects) modes: DELAY (simulated stereo) and PITCH (binaural pitch mapping). DELAY is the default, and it can greatly reduce operating fatigue as compared to mono audio. PITCH is sometimes overlooked as an option, but it too can make listening more enjoyable. Especially on a busy CW band segment. When AFX is set to PITCH, all of the signals in the passband will be "mapped" into a left-to-right acoustic space based on their pitch. Lower-pitched signals map to the left, higher pitches to the right. We describe it as a "sound stage" because it's similar to what you hear in a theater when there are multiple voices or musical instruments. With each signal occupying its own binaural niche, it's easier to pick them out and to recognize them. This can be very useful in contests, on nets, or when working DX split. 73, Wayne N6KR From w2ljqrp at gmail.com Tue Aug 21 20:59:04 2018 From: w2ljqrp at gmail.com (Larry W2LJ) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2018 20:59:04 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] 2018 NJQRP Skeeter Hunt -Log submission time! Message-ID: <7c961bb47308aa4eb9e23f538406417e@192.168.1.3> First off, A very big "Thank You" to everyone who signed up for the 2018 NJQRP Skeeter Hunt, and extra special "Thanks" to all who participated. Without you, this would be a non-event. You folks ARE THE BEST !!! Log submissions are due by Midnight of Labor Day, September 3rd. You don't have to submit your entire logs - just a summary - follow this example Larry - W2LJ - NJ Skeeter #13 - All CW Single Op Skeeter QSOs - 23 Non-Skeeter QRP QSOs - 5 Non-Skeeter QRO QSOs - (if any) S/P/Cs - 18 Station Class Multiplier X4 Water Bonus - 100 points Please send it to w2ljqrp at gmail.com I will answer each log submission with an e-mail veifying your entry. If you don't hear from me - try again. 72 de Larry W2LJ NJQRP Skeeter Hunt Manager From w8fn at tx.rr.com Tue Aug 21 21:16:44 2018 From: w8fn at tx.rr.com (Randy Farmer) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2018 20:16:44 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KX2/KX3 operating tip: Creating a CW "sound stage" using AFX PITCH mode In-Reply-To: <7748514F-D210-45BA-9135-663352C54861@elecraft.com> References: <7748514F-D210-45BA-9135-663352C54861@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <9c88a52e-f949-36af-f28e-e18a48456984@tx.rr.com> This sounds extremely useful for contest pileup management. Will it also be implemented for the K3? 73... Randy, W8FN On 8/21/2018 7:59 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > Hi all, > > The KX3 has two different AFX (audio effects) modes: DELAY (simulated stereo) and PITCH (binaural pitch mapping). DELAY is the default, and it can greatly reduce operating fatigue as compared to mono audio. > > PITCH is sometimes overlooked as an option, but it too can make listening more enjoyable. Especially on a busy CW band segment. > > When AFX is set to PITCH, all of the signals in the passband will be "mapped" into a left-to-right acoustic space based on their pitch. Lower-pitched signals map to the left, higher pitches to the right. > > We describe it as a "sound stage" because it's similar to what you hear in a theater when there are multiple voices or musical instruments. With each signal occupying its own binaural niche, it's easier to pick them out and to recognize them. This can be very useful in contests, on nets, or when working DX split. > > 73, > Wayne > N6KR From edauer at law.du.edu Tue Aug 21 21:49:37 2018 From: edauer at law.du.edu (Dauer, Edward) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2018 01:49:37 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] OT but not really that much Message-ID: <61E8903B-A956-4778-9AEE-5234C48352CD@law.du.edu> I wonder if those who understand the full physics of ionospheric phenomena and their relationship to radio frequency propagation ? which I do not ? have considered the coincidence of apparently unusual 6 meter openings with a phenomenon called STEVE ? Strong Thermal Emission Velocity Enhancement. It is apparently a new and not well understood phenomenon. I have not been able to find enough information to correlate STEVE?s appearances with the unusual openings. That some of sporadic E is auroral is at least suggestive. In any case, STEVE has become an ionospheric celebrity on the Internet of late . . . Interesting. Ted, KN1CBR From donwilh at embarqmail.com Tue Aug 21 22:00:22 2018 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2018 22:00:22 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX2/KX3 operating tip: Creating a CW "sound stage" using AFX PITCH mode In-Reply-To: <9c88a52e-f949-36af-f28e-e18a48456984@tx.rr.com> References: <7748514F-D210-45BA-9135-663352C54861@elecraft.com> <9c88a52e-f949-36af-f28e-e18a48456984@tx.rr.com> Message-ID: <63bdb1ca-a86e-2171-adc8-0ff35c2fb6d9@embarqmail.com> Randy, The AFX is already in the K3/K3X. Tap the AFX button to turn it on and select the AFX mode that you want to use. 73, Don W3FPR On 8/21/2018 9:16 PM, Randy Farmer wrote: > This sounds extremely useful for contest pileup management. Will it also > be implemented for the K3? > From w8fn at tx.rr.com Tue Aug 21 22:12:35 2018 From: w8fn at tx.rr.com (Randy Farmer) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2018 21:12:35 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KX2/KX3 operating tip: Creating a CW "sound stage" using AFX PITCH mode In-Reply-To: <63bdb1ca-a86e-2171-adc8-0ff35c2fb6d9@embarqmail.com> References: <7748514F-D210-45BA-9135-663352C54861@elecraft.com> <9c88a52e-f949-36af-f28e-e18a48456984@tx.rr.com> <63bdb1ca-a86e-2171-adc8-0ff35c2fb6d9@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <92db74c5-692a-8f18-9b2f-56f5fd894ee1@tx.rr.com> Looks like I messed up and failed to read some of the firmware release notes again. This is good news. I'll hunt it up and try it. Thanks for the info. 73... Randy, W8FN On 8/21/2018 9:00 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > Randy, > > The AFX is already in the K3/K3X.? Tap the AFX button to turn it on > and select the AFX mode that you want to use. > > 73, > Don W3FPR From donwilh at embarqmail.com Tue Aug 21 22:28:45 2018 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2018 22:28:45 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX2/KX3 operating tip: Creating a CW "sound stage" using AFX PITCH mode In-Reply-To: <92db74c5-692a-8f18-9b2f-56f5fd894ee1@tx.rr.com> References: <7748514F-D210-45BA-9135-663352C54861@elecraft.com> <9c88a52e-f949-36af-f28e-e18a48456984@tx.rr.com> <63bdb1ca-a86e-2171-adc8-0ff35c2fb6d9@embarqmail.com> <92db74c5-692a-8f18-9b2f-56f5fd894ee1@tx.rr.com> Message-ID: <5e23a5a1-dce2-612f-d9ff-be46b55a5a8d@embarqmail.com> Randy, It is in the manual. AFX has been in the K3 since its beginning. 73, Don W3FPR On 8/21/2018 10:12 PM, Randy Farmer wrote: > Looks like I messed up and failed to read some of the firmware release > notes again. This is good news. I'll hunt it up and try it. Thanks for > the info. From lmarion at mt.net Tue Aug 21 22:30:57 2018 From: lmarion at mt.net (lmarion) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2018 20:30:57 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] OT but not really that much In-Reply-To: <61E8903B-A956-4778-9AEE-5234C48352CD@law.du.edu> References: <61E8903B-A956-4778-9AEE-5234C48352CD@law.du.edu> Message-ID: <42A154DA956A4CC79D9830C4756344DB@LeroyPC> I have pointed my six element into aurora and bounced to other hams doing the same thing. And bounced off of meteor scatter. I do not all the physics, but I think ionized gas is our friend. Leroy AB7CE -----Original Message----- From: Dauer, Edward Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2018 7:49 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] OT but not really that much I wonder if those who understand the full physics of ionospheric phenomena and their relationship to radio frequency propagation ? which I do not ? have considered the coincidence of apparently unusual 6 meter openings with a phenomenon called STEVE ? Strong Thermal Emission Velocity Enhancement. It is apparently a new and not well understood phenomenon. I have not been able to find enough information to correlate STEVE?s appearances with the unusual openings. That some of sporadic E is auroral is at least suggestive. In any case, STEVE has become an ionospheric celebrity on the Internet of late . . . Interesting. Ted, KN1CBR ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to lmarion at mt.net From w8fn at tx.rr.com Tue Aug 21 22:38:55 2018 From: w8fn at tx.rr.com (Randy Farmer) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2018 21:38:55 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KX2/KX3 operating tip: Creating a CW "sound stage" using AFX PITCH mode In-Reply-To: <5e23a5a1-dce2-612f-d9ff-be46b55a5a8d@embarqmail.com> References: <7748514F-D210-45BA-9135-663352C54861@elecraft.com> <9c88a52e-f949-36af-f28e-e18a48456984@tx.rr.com> <63bdb1ca-a86e-2171-adc8-0ff35c2fb6d9@embarqmail.com> <92db74c5-692a-8f18-9b2f-56f5fd894ee1@tx.rr.com> <5e23a5a1-dce2-612f-d9ff-be46b55a5a8d@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: Hmmm... My K3S has Firmware V5.62 (latest production) installed. As describedin the latest available version of the K3S manual, the only AFX MODE settings are DELAY 1 through DELAY 5 and BIN. PITCH is not an option. Wayne's message refers explicitly to the KX3. Indeed, the KX3 manual shows the available AFX MODE choices to be DELAY and PITCH. 73... Randy, W8FN On 8/21/2018 9:28 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > Randy, > > It is in the manual.? AFX has been in the K3 since its beginning. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 8/21/2018 10:12 PM, Randy Farmer wrote: >> Looks like I messed up and failed to read some of the firmware >> release notes again. This is good news. I'll hunt it up and try it. >> Thanks for the info. > From n6kr at elecraft.com Tue Aug 21 22:44:51 2018 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2018 19:44:51 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KX2/KX3 operating tip: Creating a CW "sound stage" using AFX PITCH mode In-Reply-To: References: <7748514F-D210-45BA-9135-663352C54861@elecraft.com> <9c88a52e-f949-36af-f28e-e18a48456984@tx.rr.com> <63bdb1ca-a86e-2171-adc8-0ff35c2fb6d9@embarqmail.com> <92db74c5-692a-8f18-9b2f-56f5fd894ee1@tx.rr.com> <5e23a5a1-dce2-612f-d9ff-be46b55a5a8d@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <53A7B96C-4E27-4A6B-B47A-6E561AAB87C5@elecraft.com> Hi Randy, PITCH mode is not available on the K3 at this time. It was a bit of an experiment when we added it to the KX3 (which uses a different DSP chip). We liked it, and kept it. It's on the list for future addition to the K3/K3S. 73, Wayne N6KR > On Aug 21, 2018, at 7:38 PM, Randy Farmer wrote: > > Hmmm... My K3S has Firmware V5.62 (latest production) installed. As describedin the latest available version of the K3S manual, the only AFX MODE settings are DELAY 1 through DELAY 5 and BIN. PITCH is not an option. Wayne's message refers explicitly to the KX3. Indeed, the KX3 manual shows the available AFX MODE choices to be DELAY and PITCH. > > 73... > Randy, W8FN From ghyoungman at gmail.com Tue Aug 21 23:17:43 2018 From: ghyoungman at gmail.com (Grant Youngman) Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2018 23:17:43 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX2/KX3 operating tip: Creating a CW "sound stage" using AFX PITCH mode In-Reply-To: <53A7B96C-4E27-4A6B-B47A-6E561AAB87C5@elecraft.com> References: <7748514F-D210-45BA-9135-663352C54861@elecraft.com> <9c88a52e-f949-36af-f28e-e18a48456984@tx.rr.com> <63bdb1ca-a86e-2171-adc8-0ff35c2fb6d9@embarqmail.com> <92db74c5-692a-8f18-9b2f-56f5fd894ee1@tx.rr.com> <5e23a5a1-dce2-612f-d9ff-be46b55a5a8d@embarqmail.com> <53A7B96C-4E27-4A6B-B47A-6E561AAB87C5@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <7A838117-42D6-4E58-AD6B-3B2FDBD65D3D@gmail.com> That would be a very good thing, especially if the midpoint of the soundstage followed the Pitch setting. When wearing headphones, it would also be less tiring to use if the soundstage had some ?spaciousness? to it rather than signals appearing on a simple straight line inside the skull from from one eardrum to the other. I don?t know how to describe this technically, although I know it when I hear it. The existing AFX options in the K3 provide something close, as does the Delay option on the KX3. Grant NQ5T K3 #2091 KX3 #8342 > On Aug 21, 2018, at 10:44 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > > Hi Randy, > > PITCH mode is not available on the K3 at this time. It was a bit of an experiment when we added it to the KX3 (which uses a different DSP chip). We liked it, and kept it. > > It's on the list for future addition to the K3/K3S. > > 73, > Wayne > N6KR From ernie at netvision.net.il Wed Aug 22 01:49:00 2018 From: ernie at netvision.net.il (TL_Netvision) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2018 08:49:00 +0300 Subject: [Elecraft] Utilities on Linux Message-ID: <003801d439db$d3244e60$796ceb20$@netvision.net.il> Yes I do the same + I try a "save config." B4 I upgrade anything. Unfortunately my P3 probably needs a trip to California before any firmware from any version of the utility on any architecture can be uploaded to it. As usual Tech support has been fantastic - it's the findings I don't like...hihi 73 Isaac, 4Z1TL *********************************** When I download new firmware for either the K3 or P3, I place it its own directory which I create through the Browse button in the top part of the Firmware tab. Then work through the utility starting with the Port tab and the Test Communications button to ensure you have communication to the P3. The latest stable P3 firmware appears to be 1.60. 73, Nate, N0NB -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true." Web: http://www.n0nb.us GPG key: D55A8819 GitHub: N0NB *********************************** --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From glcazzola at alice.it Wed Aug 22 08:18:05 2018 From: glcazzola at alice.it (IK4EWX) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2018 05:18:05 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft P3 signal intensity In-Reply-To: References: <1534575631296-0.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1534940285503-0.post@n2.nabble.com> Thanks Fred of ypur great analysys, those that we can have from a University Professor as you - a true gift for us, amateur radio ops. I have read it from your great book about K3S-P3, but it is very interesting even for reading replica. Anyway I asled hoping exist a setting for alignement of both. Now i undestood it doesnt exist, and I can only hope in a new firmware (a long time have passed from last release of firmware for P3 by Elecraft). A new P3 firmware that could take care of this problem. Anyway, many thanks Fred for your great work on ypur Elecraft manuals. 73, Ian IK4EWX -- Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ From davidjw1 at cinci.rr.com Wed Aug 22 08:34:58 2018 From: davidjw1 at cinci.rr.com (David Windisch) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2018 05:34:58 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Equipment for sale Message-ID: <1534941298244-0.post@n2.nabble.com> Hi all concerned: Equipment for sale, all simply excess to my needs: K3/0, the LARGE one, some cables to K3 $450 KRX3A, with 2 filters: 2.7K, 1.0k, mtg hdwr, cables $500 SP3 $135 KFL3A-1.0K 1 kHz $100 KFL3A-2.7 2.7 kHz $75 TEK TM503 rack $50 HITACHI V-509 DC-50MHz portable scope, NOS in orig box dual-trace, delayed swp, XY, probes, manual $100 I am _not_ the original purchaser of any of the equipment, and have _not_ modified any of it. All units are in working order, and good physical condx. All units will be well-packed. Shipping and insurance cost is up to you. I accept personal checks, and ship on clearance. Brgds, Dave Windisch, N3HE radiosigs7 at cinci dot rr dot com or give me a shout: five one three three five one zero five seven nine any time eastern ----- Brgds, Dave, N3HE Cincinnati OH -- Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ From n0nb at n0nb.us Wed Aug 22 10:12:00 2018 From: n0nb at n0nb.us (Nate Bargmann) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2018 09:12:00 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Utilities on Linux In-Reply-To: <003801d439db$d3244e60$796ceb20$@netvision.net.il> References: <003801d439db$d3244e60$796ceb20$@netvision.net.il> Message-ID: <20180822141159.4nqsyipxhi4gvza3@n0nb.us> * On 2018 22 Aug 00:50 -0500, TL_Netvision wrote: > Yes I do the same + I try a "save config." B4 I upgrade anything. I have quite a few configurations saved, but I don't recall ever having to use any of them for restoration. Trouble is that looking at the file doesn't give a clue as to what is different. Too bad there isn't a utility to parse the file and display the parameters. But developer time is always in short supply... > Unfortunately my P3 probably needs a trip to California before any firmware > from any version of the utility on any architecture can be uploaded to it. > As usual Tech support has been fantastic - it's the findings I don't > like...hihi That's too bad. Is it serial port related or something deeper? 73, Nate, N0NB -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true." Web: http://www.n0nb.us GPG key: D55A8819 GitHub: N0NB From donwilh at embarqmail.com Wed Aug 22 10:36:07 2018 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2018 10:36:07 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Utilities on Linux In-Reply-To: <20180822141159.4nqsyipxhi4gvza3@n0nb.us> References: <003801d439db$d3244e60$796ceb20$@netvision.net.il> <20180822141159.4nqsyipxhi4gvza3@n0nb.us> Message-ID: <085558dd-d1fb-9a8c-2e80-755fe31b8d72@embarqmail.com> The configuration file is not intended to be readable by users, but is a file that can restore your K3's configuration painlessly in case you have to do an EEINIT (a reset to factory defaults). That reset will lose all your option settings and calibration information. If you do not have a saved configuration file, all that will be lost and you will have to set up your K3 manually and go through all the calibration steps - not a trivial process. 73, Don W3FPR On 8/22/2018 10:12 AM, Nate Bargmann wrote: > * On 2018 22 Aug 00:50 -0500, TL_Netvision wrote: >> Yes I do the same + I try a "save config." B4 I upgrade anything. > > I have quite a few configurations saved, but I don't recall ever having > to use any of them for restoration. Trouble is that looking at the file > doesn't give a clue as to what is different. From davidjw1 at cinci.rr.com Wed Aug 22 10:49:42 2018 From: davidjw1 at cinci.rr.com (David Windisch) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2018 07:49:42 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Equipment for sale In-Reply-To: <1534941298244-0.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1534941298244-0.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1534949382512-0.post@n2.nabble.com> KRX3A is sold, tks. ----- Brgds, Dave, N3HE Cincinnati OH -- Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ From rmcgraw at blomand.net Wed Aug 22 11:03:16 2018 From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2018 10:03:16 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Utilities on Linux In-Reply-To: <20180822141159.4nqsyipxhi4gvza3@n0nb.us> References: <003801d439db$d3244e60$796ceb20$@netvision.net.il> <20180822141159.4nqsyipxhi4gvza3@n0nb.us> Message-ID: <7a0feeb7-d138-990c-e4ba-c1414376ae3d@blomand.net> The Saved Configuration file is automatically date and time stamped.?? Although I don't know of a way to "see what's different",? before I go tampering with any of the values in my K3S, I save a configuration.? That way when and yes I said "when" I get things messed up I can easily go back to the previous values.?? WHEW!?? These files go back to the original or last trip to Elecraft where they did updates an did an alignment. Likewise with my computer.? Before I do "house cleaning" or maintenance, or update software, I always create an incremental backup plus set a current? RESTORE point.?? This has saved my "you know what" on many occasions.??? OH, when was the last time you did a full back-up of your computer??? If it wasn't in the last 30 days then I'd say it is obvious you don't care about your data. Ever tried reloading the operating system from scratch and bringing it up to date with updates and applications you've installed.? It is at least a couple of days work.??? Just sayin'. 73 Bob, K4TAX On 8/22/2018 9:12 AM, Nate Bargmann wrote: > * On 2018 22 Aug 00:50 -0500, TL_Netvision wrote: >> Yes I do the same + I try a "save config." B4 I upgrade anything. > I have quite a few configurations saved, but I don't recall ever having > to use any of them for restoration. Trouble is that looking at the file > doesn't give a clue as to what is different. Too bad there isn't a > utility to parse the file and display the parameters. But developer > time is always in short supply... > >> Unfortunately my P3 probably needs a trip to California before any firmware >> from any version of the utility on any architecture can be uploaded to it. >> As usual Tech support has been fantastic - it's the findings I don't >> like...hihi > That's too bad. Is it serial port related or something deeper? > > 73, Nate, N0NB > From indians at xsmail.com Wed Aug 22 11:49:26 2018 From: indians at xsmail.com (Petr, OK1RP/M0SIS) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2018 08:49:26 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] [WTB] KAT1 for K1 is needed... In-Reply-To: References: <1532988702508-0.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1534952966420-0.post@n2.nabble.com> Hi Don and all, Thanks for info. I got K1BKLTKIT kit for Jakub already. Unfortunately still looking for KAT1... and possibly KFL1-2. ----- 73 - Petr, OK1RP "Apple & Elecraft freak" B:http://ok1rp.blogspot.com G+:http://goo.gl/w3u2s9 G+: http://goo.gl/gP99xq -- Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ From k4wi at k4wi.net Wed Aug 22 14:38:05 2018 From: k4wi at k4wi.net (Courtney Judd) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2018 13:38:05 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] kpa1500 Message-ID: <5B7DAD8D.9000408@k4wi.net> my new kpa1500 is due in today and just thinking about setting it up... so with my FT5000 and microHam keyer 2.... jack #21 provides 13.8 volts at up to 200ma ... is this enough to hook to jack 8 on the back of the kpa1500 to power it on when ever I turn on the ft5000? Any set up advice/ideas would be greatly appreciated! thanks, 73's Cort K4WI From jlangdon1 at austin.rr.com Wed Aug 22 16:09:05 2018 From: jlangdon1 at austin.rr.com (John Langdon) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2018 20:09:05 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] kpa1500 In-Reply-To: <5B7DAD8D.9000408@k4wi.net> References: <5B7DAD8D.9000408@k4wi.net> Message-ID: Courtney, The 12V RCA plug on the rear of the K3 accomplishes this just fine with the KPA1500, so I think you should be able to do the same thing. Current demand is very small. I am not using it to power anything else. 73 John N5CQ -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of Courtney Judd Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2018 1:38 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] kpa1500 my new kpa1500 is due in today and just thinking about setting it up... so with my FT5000 and microHam keyer 2.... jack #21 provides 13.8 volts at up to 200ma ... is this enough to hook to jack 8 on the back of the kpa1500 to power it on when ever I turn on the ft5000? Any set up advice/ideas would be greatly appreciated! thanks, 73's Cort K4WI ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fmailman.qth.net%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Felecraft&data=02%7C01%7C%7C5c4275807d214587385508d6085e8d77%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636705599520025964&sdata=sfzvVu7X8e6Zx7BOHKGLhGscMvbouRY0SwG1nVHwsDM%3D&reserved=0 Help: https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fmailman.qth.net%2Fmmfaq.htm&data=02%7C01%7C%7C5c4275807d214587385508d6085e8d77%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636705599520025964&sdata=Z%2BaivzJoaXCo6%2B%2BkfYk%2BdIfXtvmkSPdyR%2FfvvyWBmy8%3D&reserved=0 Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.qsl.net&data=02%7C01%7C%7C5c4275807d214587385508d6085e8d77%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636705599520025964&sdata=VwHKoMuBDOZJNJtQA9xVjcw3GMgikQQg2dG2ohQmYU8%3D&reserved=0 Please help support this email list: https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.qsl.net%2Fdonate.html&data=02%7C01%7C%7C5c4275807d214587385508d6085e8d77%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636705599520025964&sdata=yNrBgQM4ZfaWq%2FtEBk4Z%2BkC%2B8fNeWzlgA5kUqhvpeeY%3D&reserved=0 Message delivered to woyb10051 at outlook.com From davidjw1 at cinci.rr.com Wed Aug 22 16:20:53 2018 From: davidjw1 at cinci.rr.com (David Windisch) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2018 13:20:53 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Equipment for sale In-Reply-To: <1534941298244-0.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1534941298244-0.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1534969253705-0.post@n2.nabble.com> SP3 is sold, tks. ----- Brgds, Dave, N3HE Cincinnati OH -- Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ From kstover at ac0h.net Wed Aug 22 19:30:35 2018 From: kstover at ac0h.net (kstover at ac0h.net) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2018 18:30:35 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] WWV/WWVH Closure In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <002c01d43a70$2236c570$66a45050$@ac0h.net> The GPS system is vulnerable. The systems at NIST aren't nearly as vulnerable. GPS is a navigation system it is not a time keeping system. Every ballistic missile this country still has uses INS not GPS. It's "jam proof". R. Kevin Stover AC0H ARRL, FISTS, SKCC, NAQCC. "If it doesn't work the first time you push the button it won't work the 20th.Just stop." -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of John Harper Sent: Monday, August 20, 2018 10:33 AM To: Elecraft list Subject: [Elecraft] WWV/WWVH Closure What is the justification for continued funding of WWV? Hasn't it been obsoleted (if that's a verb) by GPS as far as being a time and freq standard? John AE5X https://ae5x.blogspot.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to kstover at ac0h.net From kstover at ac0h.net Wed Aug 22 19:38:19 2018 From: kstover at ac0h.net (kstover at ac0h.net) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2018 18:38:19 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] WWV/WWVH Closure In-Reply-To: <58956fef-0df3-e1de-a0fd-3e237864bcfe@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> References: <4b89987b-ce93-97cb-3963-dfd7f4a52148@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> <58956fef-0df3-e1de-a0fd-3e237864bcfe@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> Message-ID: <002d01d43a71$36ceb960$a46c2c20$@ac0h.net> I assume the RPI is going to have some software that calculates and adjusts automatically on the fly for network latency from said NTP server. Oh by the way most all NTP servers get their time from an NIST time base...NOT GPS. R. Kevin Stover AC0H ARRL, FISTS, SKCC, NAQCC. "If it doesn't work the first time you push the button it won't work the 20th.Just stop." -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT Sent: Monday, August 20, 2018 12:38 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] WWV/WWVH Closure I haven't checked the rules, but box with a low-power 60 KHz transmitter and something like a Raspberry Pi to get time via NTP and transmit WWVB-like signals over 100 feet or so might be a viable product. 73 -- Lynn ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to kstover at ac0h.net From eckerpw at yahoo.com Wed Aug 22 20:06:42 2018 From: eckerpw at yahoo.com (paul ecker) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2018 00:06:42 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 & Signalink Not Transmitting References: <1064860347.2433239.1534982802208.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1064860347.2433239.1534982802208@mail.yahoo.com> I had to send my K3 infor repairs, so I will be using my KX-3 as my main radio for the next fewweeks. But I haven?t got it working with Digital modes yet in particular FT-8.??? PC is a Win 10 and amusing a Signalink USB. I am able to receive fine in WSJT-X but not transmit.? Settings in WSJT-X Rig:None? PTT-Vox. (Tigertronics suggestionfor Signalink & WSJT-X) Audio: Input MicrophoneUSB Audio Codec. Output: ?Speakers USBCodec? Windows SoundSettings- Both Playback and Recording default?set to PC speakers and mic, ?notthe audio codec.? Signalink Tx at 2o?clock, Rx at 2 o?clock Signalink Radio cableto KX3 mic jack Signalink Audio cableto KX3 phone jack? When WSJT-X goes totransmit, the Signalink Tx light comes on but the KX3 Tx light does not and Iam getting no power out. I am getting movement on the Win 10 Playback Vu Meterand sound out of Signalink monitor jack.? So can someone who isusing KX3 and Signalink give me some hints on how to get the KX3 to go Tx?? I am using Signalink because I do not want touse the PC sound card for digi modes.? Tnx & 73 Paul W2eck From eric at elecraft.com Wed Aug 22 20:50:59 2018 From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz WA6HHQ - Elecraft) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2018 17:50:59 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] WWV/WWVH Closure In-Reply-To: <002c01d43a70$2236c570$66a45050$@ac0h.net> References: <002c01d43a70$2236c570$66a45050$@ac0h.net> Message-ID: <6D368037-AAC9-45B3-9E1C-D41B08BD163D@elecraft.com> This thread was closed several days ago. Please, -no- more posts on this. Eric Moderator elecraft.com --- Sent from my iPhone 6S > On Aug 22, 2018, at 4:30 PM, wrote: > > The GPS system is vulnerable. The systems at NIST aren't nearly as > vulnerable. > ..... From eric at elecraft.com Wed Aug 22 20:51:37 2018 From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz WA6HHQ - Elecraft) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2018 17:51:37 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] WWV/WWVH Closure In-Reply-To: <002d01d43a71$36ceb960$a46c2c20$@ac0h.net> References: <4b89987b-ce93-97cb-3963-dfd7f4a52148@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> <58956fef-0df3-e1de-a0fd-3e237864bcfe@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> <002d01d43a71$36ceb960$a46c2c20$@ac0h.net> Message-ID: This thread has already been closed. Eric Moderator elecraft.com --- Sent from my iPhone 6S > On Aug 22, 2018, at 4:38 PM, wrote: > > I assume the RPI is going to have some software that calculates and adjusts > automatically on the fly for network latency from said NTP server. Oh by the > way most all NTP servers get their time from an NIST time base...NOT GPS. > > R. Kevin Stover AC0H > > ARRL, FISTS, SKCC, NAQCC. > "If it doesn't work the first time you push the button it won't work the > 20th.Just stop." > > -----Original Message----- > From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net On > Behalf Of Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT > Sent: Monday, August 20, 2018 12:38 PM > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] WWV/WWVH Closure > > I haven't checked the rules, but box with a low-power 60 KHz transmitter and > something like a Raspberry Pi to get time via NTP and transmit WWVB-like > signals over 100 feet or so might be a viable product. > > 73 -- Lynn > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message > delivered to kstover at ac0h.net > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to eric.swartz at elecraft.com From w8fn at tx.rr.com Wed Aug 22 20:51:50 2018 From: w8fn at tx.rr.com (Randy Farmer) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2018 19:51:50 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KX2/KX3 operating tip: Creating a CW "sound stage" using AFX PITCH mode In-Reply-To: <53A7B96C-4E27-4A6B-B47A-6E561AAB87C5@elecraft.com> References: <7748514F-D210-45BA-9135-663352C54861@elecraft.com> <9c88a52e-f949-36af-f28e-e18a48456984@tx.rr.com> <63bdb1ca-a86e-2171-adc8-0ff35c2fb6d9@embarqmail.com> <92db74c5-692a-8f18-9b2f-56f5fd894ee1@tx.rr.com> <5e23a5a1-dce2-612f-d9ff-be46b55a5a8d@embarqmail.com> <53A7B96C-4E27-4A6B-B47A-6E561AAB87C5@elecraft.com> Message-ID: Great news. I hope it makes an appearance soon. Several years ago I cobbled together a crude version of this functionality using a pair of ancient Autek QF-1A audio filters. The left side filter was configured as a low pass and the right was configured as a high pass. If I spent enough time fooling with the filter tunings and carefully matching output levels it produced some pretty interesting and useful effects. I believe I used it in a Sweepstakes CW effort and as I recall it was very helpful for sorting out multiple signals in my receiver passband. I eventually abandoned the project because it was just too finicky to be reliable. It would really be great to have a good implementation available at the touch of a button. 73... Randy, W8FN On 8/21/2018 9:44 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote: > Hi Randy, > > PITCH mode is not available on the K3 at this time. It was a bit of an experiment when we added it to the KX3 (which uses a different DSP chip). We liked it, and kept it. > > It's on the list for future addition to the K3/K3S. > > 73, > Wayne > N6KR From eckerpw at yahoo.com Wed Aug 22 20:58:15 2018 From: eckerpw at yahoo.com (paul ecker) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2018 00:58:15 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 & Signalink Not Transmitting References: <676471164.2478599.1534985895700.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <676471164.2478599.1534985895700@mail.yahoo.com> Thanks to AI5II's suggestions got the Tx problem fixed. Changed the Rig to KX3 and PTT to CAT. So the Signalink Tigertronics guidance was not accurate, at least for me. Also had Win4K3 running and it was using the KX3 comport. So closed that program and now the KX3 is receiving and transmitting fine on WSJT-X. 73Paulw2eck From k2asp at kanafi.org Wed Aug 22 23:03:44 2018 From: k2asp at kanafi.org (Phil Kane) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2018 20:03:44 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [K2] Problem in setup for WSJT Message-ID: For the last 10 years I've been using the K2 setup below for digital comms (W32,FLDIGI) with no problems. Now I'm trying to use the same exact setup - no changes in cables, etc - for WJST-X (v1.9.1 r8747 in FT8 mode) and the PTT is not working with the same parameters. The "Test PTT" button is not enabled, and the error message is "Rig Control Error" The setup is as follows: Laptop = Dell Latitude USB-to-serial converter = Edgeport (high end device using genuine FTDI chips) Serial Port - COM5, 9600, 8n1, RTS=PTT -connected to K2 I/O port Soundcard = iMIC GUC232 connected to RigBlaster CAT control is not used. What I don't understand is why this configuration will trigger the PTT for the other digital programs but not when using the WSJT-X program. What am I missing? All assistance appreciated. How do other K2 users set this up? 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane Elecraft K2/100 s/n 5402 >From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon From donwilh at embarqmail.com Wed Aug 22 23:23:42 2018 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2018 23:23:42 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] [K2] Problem in setup for WSJT In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <73c1a96a-89bf-8c07-2eca-8c10db120890@embarqmail.com> Phil, I strongly recommend that you use PTT via CAT command for digital modes with the K2. If WSJT-X is not correctly communicating that command to the K2, look to the help files and forums for WSJT-X for the answer. Some USB to serial adapters do not like to work at the low 4800 baud rate for the K2, but I have had great success with the Edgeport converters - they are commercial grade. Set the RS-232 port to 4800 baud and try again. 73, Don W3FPR On 8/22/2018 11:03 PM, Phil Kane wrote: > For the last 10 years I've been using the K2 setup below for digital > comms (W32,FLDIGI) with no problems. Now I'm trying to use the same > exact setup - no changes in cables, etc - for WJST-X (v1.9.1 r8747 in > FT8 mode) and the PTT is not working with the same parameters. The > "Test PTT" button is not enabled, and the error message is "Rig Control > Error" > > The setup is as follows: > > Laptop = Dell Latitude > USB-to-serial converter = Edgeport (high end device using genuine FTDI > chips) > Serial Port - COM5, 9600, 8n1, RTS=PTT -connected to K2 I/O port > Soundcard = iMIC GUC232 connected to RigBlaster > CAT control is not used. > > What I don't understand is why this configuration will trigger the PTT > for the other digital programs but not when using the WSJT-X program. > What am I missing? > > All assistance appreciated. How do other K2 users set this up? > > 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane > Elecraft K2/100 s/n 5402 > >>From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest > Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to donwilh at embarqmail.com > From donwilh at embarqmail.com Wed Aug 22 23:30:58 2018 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2018 23:30:58 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 & Signalink Not Transmitting In-Reply-To: <1064860347.2433239.1534982802208@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1064860347.2433239.1534982802208.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1064860347.2433239.1534982802208@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <453a0e03-9cf8-cd1f-886d-af35dd7f88c5@embarqmail.com> Paul, Do you have the KX3 set to VOX? If so, it should work. Have you tried using PTT via CAT in your digital mode application - it is more reliable than using PTT out of the SignaLink or VOX in the KX3. Be certain you are driving the audio sufficiently. You must have 4 bars solid on the KX3 ALC meter with the 5th bar flashing. See my website article at www.w3fpr.com. Scroll the left column to the last article and click on it to see the document. 73, Don W3FPR On 8/22/2018 8:06 PM, paul ecker via Elecraft wrote: > > I had to send my K3 infor repairs, so I will be using my KX-3 as my main radio for the next fewweeks. But I haven?t got it working with Digital modes yet in particular FT-8. > > PC is a Win 10 and amusing a Signalink USB. I am able to receive fine in WSJT-X but not transmit. > > Settings in WSJT-X Rig:None? PTT-Vox. (Tigertronics suggestionfor Signalink & WSJT-X) > > Audio: Input MicrophoneUSB Audio Codec. Output: ?Speakers USBCodec > > Windows SoundSettings- Both Playback and Recording default?set to PC speakers and mic, ?notthe audio codec. > > Signalink Tx at 2o?clock, Rx at 2 o?clock > > Signalink Radio cableto KX3 mic jack > > Signalink Audio cableto KX3 phone jack > > When WSJT-X goes totransmit, the Signalink Tx light comes on but the KX3 Tx light does not and Iam getting no power out. I am getting movement on the Win 10 Playback Vu Meterand sound out of Signalink monitor jack. > > So can someone who isusing KX3 and Signalink give me some hints on how to get the KX3 to go Tx?? I am using Signalink because I do not want touse the PC sound card for digi modes. > > Tnx & 73 > > Paul > > W2eck > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to donwilh at embarqmail.com > From ernie at netvision.net.il Thu Aug 23 02:10:44 2018 From: ernie at netvision.net.il (TL_Netvision) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2018 09:10:44 +0300 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 config file - was utilities on Linux Message-ID: <002e01d43aa8$071bdbd0$15539370$@netvision.net.il> Hello, Speaking of configuration files, I wander if I's feasible to restore my P3 from someone else's file (In hope it's not serial-number dependent etc.). I have a P3 (MCU 1.29, no SVGA option) for which all P3 utilities I tried (current & earlier) fail uploading firmware, and don't enable Save \ Restore options. Would the Restore option be enabled again had the P3 utility recognized a valid configuration file in the library? I will be glad to test with someone's file . TIA, Isaac, 4Z1TL --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From neilz at techie.com Thu Aug 23 06:20:18 2018 From: neilz at techie.com (Neil Zampella) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2018 06:20:18 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] [K2] Problem in setup for WSJT In-Reply-To: <73c1a96a-89bf-8c07-2eca-8c10db120890@embarqmail.com> References: <73c1a96a-89bf-8c07-2eca-8c10db120890@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Don & Phil, I have my K2 setup for WSJT-X and found that the K2 settings in the Hamlib3 version in WSJT-X do not seem to work properly. ? What I did was use DXLab's DX Commander as the rig interface, so it is talking to the K2, and then I have that selected as the 'rig' in WSJT-X. This gives me PTT via CAT without a problem, although there is a slight delay in kicking in the PTT, which really does not cause any issues. ?? I use a Rigblaster NoMIC for rig sound input, sound output I use the standard ext speaker jack in the back.??? This goes to an external Sound Blaster X-Fi USB soundcard, which I also use with my KX3, I just switch audio cables. K2/100 connected to Dell laptop using FTDI RS-232 to USB adapter through standard Elecraft AUXBUS cable. My DX Commander settings are: General Tab:?? (these are the only changes everything else defaults) Select K2 from Model drop down Interrogation box checked No Interrogation while transmitting checked 250ms Command Interval. Ports Tab:? (Use Primary CAT Serial Port only) Port (what your COM port is set to on your computer) Baud:? 4800 Word: 8 Parity: None Stop:? 2 DTR & RTS :? OFF WSJT-X Settings: Radio Tab:?? (these are the only changes CAT control boxes are greyed out) Rig:? DX Lab Suite Commander PTT Method:?? CAT Mode:? USB Split Operation : Rig DX Commander is FREE .. and has very good support.? You can find out more here: http://www.dxlabsuite.com/dxlabwiki/GettingStarted 73, Neil, KN3ILZ K2 - s/n 7788 On 8/22/2018 11:23 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > Phil, > > I strongly recommend that you use PTT via CAT command for digital > modes with the K2. > > If WSJT-X is not correctly communicating that command to the K2, look > to the help files and forums for WSJT-X for the answer. > > Some USB to serial adapters do not like to work at the low 4800 baud > rate for the K2, but I have had great success with the Edgeport > converters - they are commercial grade. > > Set the RS-232 port to 4800 baud and try again. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 8/22/2018 11:03 PM, Phil Kane wrote: >> For the last 10 years I've been using the K2 setup below for digital >> comms (W32,FLDIGI) with no problems.? Now I'm trying to use the same >> exact setup - no changes in cables, etc - for WJST-X (v1.9.1 r8747 in >> FT8 mode) and the PTT is not working with the same parameters. The >> "Test PTT" button is not enabled, and the error message is "Rig Control >> Error" >> >> The setup is as follows: >> >> Laptop = Dell Latitude >> USB-to-serial converter = Edgeport (high end device using genuine FTDI >> chips) >> Serial Port - COM5, 9600, 8n1, RTS=PTT -connected to K2 I/O port >> Soundcard = iMIC GUC232 connected to RigBlaster >> CAT control is not used. >> >> What I don't understand is why this configuration will trigger the PTT >> for the other digital programs but not when using the WSJT-X program. >> What am I missing? >> >> All assistance appreciated. How do other K2 users set? this up? >> >> 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane >> Elecraft K2/100?? s/n 5402 >> >>> From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest >> Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to donwilh at embarqmail.com >> > From neilz at techie.com Thu Aug 23 06:33:49 2018 From: neilz at techie.com (Neil Zampella) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2018 06:33:49 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 & Signalink Not Transmitting In-Reply-To: <453a0e03-9cf8-cd1f-886d-af35dd7f88c5@embarqmail.com> References: <1064860347.2433239.1534982802208.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1064860347.2433239.1534982802208@mail.yahoo.com> <453a0e03-9cf8-cd1f-886d-af35dd7f88c5@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <7a0a11fd-f7ad-2d33-d9b9-118bb8a85d55@techie.com> Paul, I understand you're not wanting to use the PC Sound Card for Digi, as too often Windows sounds get into the transmission. FWIW .. you really don't need a Signalink with the KX3, but since you already have it I can understand your using it.???? In future if you want to take the KX3 for digi, just get an inexpensive USB soundcard (Under $15 at Amazon) and use standard audio cables, and the KXUSB cables for CAT control. I regularly use my KX3 (and K2/100) for WSJT-X, and have found that using the KXUSB cable for CAT is much more reliable than VOX. The main thing is the Windows device settings.??? Right click on the 'sound' or 'speaker' icon at the bottom right, select SOUNDS from the menu.??? Go to the Recording tab, and select the Input Mic: USB Codec device, and click on properties.?? On that device's LEVELS tab, right click on the slider, and change the setting from PERCENTAGE to DECIBELS.?? Then adjust the slider to show 0 dB.? Do the same with the Speakers: USB Codec device. Then adjust the KX3 AF/RF-SQL to show about 30 dB on the WSJT-X left hand meter on an empty band.?? On a busy band I see it go to 60 dB at times, that's not a problem if the slider turns RED, back down on the AF. Then for the output, adjust the PWR slider on WSJT-X about half way (some say put it to the top, I don't as this gives me a bit of an adjustment for the ALC later), then adjust the KX3 MIC input to show approximately 4 bars with the 5th flickering. This should do it.?? Again, I use the KXUSB for CAT control which provides the PTT, and I've never had it fail. 73, Neil, KN3ILZ On 8/22/2018 11:30 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > Paul, > > Do you have the KX3 set to VOX?? If so, it should work. > > Have you tried using PTT via CAT in your digital mode application - it > is more reliable than using PTT out of the SignaLink or VOX in the KX3. > > Be certain you are driving the audio sufficiently.? You must have 4 > bars solid on the KX3 ALC meter with the 5th bar flashing.? See my > website article at www.w3fpr.com.? Scroll the left column to the last > article and click on it to see the document. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 8/22/2018 8:06 PM, paul ecker via Elecraft wrote: >> >> I had to send my K3 infor repairs, so I will be using my KX-3 as my >> main radio for the next fewweeks. But I haven?t got it working with >> Digital modes yet in particular FT-8. >> >> PC is a Win 10 and amusing a Signalink USB. I am able to receive fine >> in WSJT-X but not transmit. >> >> Settings in WSJT-X Rig:None? PTT-Vox. (Tigertronics suggestionfor >> Signalink & WSJT-X) >> >> Audio: Input MicrophoneUSB Audio Codec. Output: ?Speakers USBCodec >> >> Windows SoundSettings- Both Playback and Recording default?set to PC >> speakers and mic, ?notthe audio codec. >> >> Signalink Tx at 2o?clock, Rx at 2 o?clock >> >> Signalink Radio cableto KX3 mic jack >> >> Signalink Audio cableto KX3 phone jack >> >> When WSJT-X goes totransmit, the Signalink Tx light comes on but the >> KX3 Tx light does not and Iam getting no power out. I am getting >> movement on the Win 10 Playback Vu Meterand sound out of Signalink >> monitor jack. >> >> So can someone who isusing KX3 and Signalink give me some hints on >> how to get the KX3 to go Tx?? I am using Signalink because I do not >> want touse the PC sound card for digi modes. >> >> Tnx & 73 >> >> Paul >> >> W2eck >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to donwilh at embarqmail.com >> > From c-hawley at illinois.edu Thu Aug 23 07:49:11 2018 From: c-hawley at illinois.edu (hawley, charles j jr) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2018 11:49:11 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] [K2] Problem in setup for WSJT In-Reply-To: <73c1a96a-89bf-8c07-2eca-8c10db120890@embarqmail.com> References: , <73c1a96a-89bf-8c07-2eca-8c10db120890@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: I really like the 4 channel Edgeport converters. Very easy and self reliable, just plug in. I got a couple used ones on eBay. Work great. Chuck Jack KE9UW Sent from my iPhone, cjack > On Aug 22, 2018, at 10:23 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > > Phil, > > I strongly recommend that you use PTT via CAT command for digital modes with the K2. > > If WSJT-X is not correctly communicating that command to the K2, look to the help files and forums for WSJT-X for the answer. > > Some USB to serial adapters do not like to work at the low 4800 baud rate for the K2, but I have had great success with the Edgeport converters - they are commercial grade. > > Set the RS-232 port to 4800 baud and try again. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > >> On 8/22/2018 11:03 PM, Phil Kane wrote: >> For the last 10 years I've been using the K2 setup below for digital >> comms (W32,FLDIGI) with no problems. Now I'm trying to use the same >> exact setup - no changes in cables, etc - for WJST-X (v1.9.1 r8747 in >> FT8 mode) and the PTT is not working with the same parameters. The >> "Test PTT" button is not enabled, and the error message is "Rig Control >> Error" >> The setup is as follows: >> Laptop = Dell Latitude >> USB-to-serial converter = Edgeport (high end device using genuine FTDI >> chips) >> Serial Port - COM5, 9600, 8n1, RTS=PTT -connected to K2 I/O port >> Soundcard = iMIC GUC232 connected to RigBlaster >> CAT control is not used. >> What I don't understand is why this configuration will trigger the PTT >> for the other digital programs but not when using the WSJT-X program. >> What am I missing? >> All assistance appreciated. How do other K2 users set this up? >> 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane >> Elecraft K2/100 s/n 5402 >>> From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest >> Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to donwilh at embarqmail.com > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to c-hawley at illinois.edu From nr4c at widomaker.com Thu Aug 23 08:33:49 2018 From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2018 08:33:49 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 config file - was utilities on Linux In-Reply-To: <002e01d43aa8$071bdbd0$15539370$@netvision.net.il> References: <002e01d43aa8$071bdbd0$15539370$@netvision.net.il> Message-ID: <7F998169-12D3-4433-A6B3-C27F511590CE@widomaker.com> Serial # is in the file. Don?t think this will work. Sent from my iPhone ...nr4c. bill > On Aug 23, 2018, at 2:10 AM, TL_Netvision wrote: > > Hello, > > Speaking of configuration files, I wander if I's feasible to restore my P3 > from someone else's file (In hope it's not serial-number dependent etc.). > > I have a P3 (MCU 1.29, no SVGA option) for which all P3 utilities I tried > (current & earlier) fail uploading firmware, and don't enable Save \ > Restore options. > Would the Restore option be enabled again had the P3 utility recognized a > valid configuration file in the library? > > I will be glad to test with someone's file . > > TIA, Isaac, > 4Z1TL > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to nr4c at widomaker.com From dick at elecraft.com Thu Aug 23 10:06:31 2018 From: dick at elecraft.com (dick at elecraft.com) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2018 07:06:31 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 config file - was utilities on Linux In-Reply-To: <002e01d43aa8$071bdbd0$15539370$@netvision.net.il> References: <002e01d43aa8$071bdbd0$15539370$@netvision.net.il> Message-ID: <000001d43aea$7ed9d3b0$7c8d7b10$@elecraft.com> The P3 can restore a config saved from another P3. Some of our other devices (K3, KX3...) won't do cross-serial-number config restore if there is per-unit calibration data that would require any significant work to re-create. The saved-from serial # is in the configuration file, but it currently is not used to inhibit cross-P3 restore. If the P3 Utility cannot get through the initial connection sequence from a P3 (read its firmware version, serial #, etc), the Config Restore button won't be enabled. The P3 Utility can't restore a configuration if it can't get reasonable P3-like responses from P3 installed firmware. I'm trying to avoid restoring a P3 configuration into a K3 or KPA500 with the P3 Utility. 73 de Dick, K6KR -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of TL_Netvision Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2018 23:11 To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] P3 config file - was utilities on Linux Hello, Speaking of configuration files, I wander if I's feasible to restore my P3 from someone else's file (In hope it's not serial-number dependent etc.). I have a P3 (MCU 1.29, no SVGA option) for which all P3 utilities I tried (current & earlier) fail uploading firmware, and don't enable Save \ Restore options. Would the Restore option be enabled again had the P3 utility recognized a valid configuration file in the library? I will be glad to test with someone's file . TIA, Isaac, 4Z1TL --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to dick at elecraft.com From lmarion at mt.net Thu Aug 23 11:15:28 2018 From: lmarion at mt.net (lmarion) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2018 09:15:28 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] OT but not really that much In-Reply-To: <61E8903B-A956-4778-9AEE-5234C48352CD@law.du.edu> References: <61E8903B-A956-4778-9AEE-5234C48352CD@law.du.edu> Message-ID: Hi Ted, Our magnetic field is reversing and collapsing, cosmic rays are up, and solar radiation is not being buffeted off as much. It might be a wild ride for ham radio. Leroy AB7CE -----Original Message----- From: Dauer, Edward Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2018 7:49 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] OT but not really that much I wonder if those who understand the full physics of ionospheric phenomena and their relationship to radio frequency propagation ? which I do not ? have considered the coincidence of apparently unusual 6 meter openings with a phenomenon called STEVE ? Strong Thermal Emission Velocity Enhancement. It is apparently a new and not well understood phenomenon. I have not been able to find enough information to correlate STEVE?s appearances with the unusual openings. That some of sporadic E is auroral is at least suggestive. In any case, STEVE has become an ionospheric celebrity on the Internet of late . . . Interesting. Ted, KN1CBR ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to lmarion at mt.net From ivargronn at gmail.com Thu Aug 23 12:11:08 2018 From: ivargronn at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Ivar_Gr=C3=B8nn?=) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2018 18:11:08 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] KX-2 missing band Message-ID: My KX-2 has not RX/TX on 80m either CW nor SSB. Other bands works OK. Any suggestions for solving? 73 de LA6ZFA Ivar -- Best regards Ivar Gr?nn LA6ZFA From rich at wc3t.us Thu Aug 23 12:50:30 2018 From: rich at wc3t.us (rich hurd WC3T) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2018 12:50:30 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX-2 missing band In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: There is a menu selection to remove unused bands from selection with the BAND + and - switches so it "ignores" them. I don't know the details offhand but it sure sounds like 80m is switched off. On Thu, Aug 23, 2018 at 12:11 PM Ivar Gr?nn wrote: > My KX-2 has not RX/TX on 80m either CW nor SSB. Other bands works OK. Any > suggestions for solving? > 73 de LA6ZFA Ivar > -- > Best regards Ivar Gr?nn LA6ZFA > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to rich at wc3t.us -- 72, Rich Hurd / WC3T / DMR: 3142737 Northampton County RACES, EPA-ARRL Public Information Officer for Scouting Latitude: 40.761621 Longitude: -75.288988 (40?45.68' N 75?17.33' W) Grid: *FN20is* From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Thu Aug 23 13:23:58 2018 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2018 10:23:58 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [K2] Problem in setup for WSJT In-Reply-To: References: <73c1a96a-89bf-8c07-2eca-8c10db120890@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <7e5c4d6b-441a-c159-a2ee-d322bf72d71e@audiosystemsgroup.com> On 8/23/2018 4:49 AM, hawley, charles j jr wrote: > I really like the 4 channel Edgeport converters. Very easy and self reliable, just plug in. I got a couple used ones on eBay. Work great. Yes, I'm using one in my station, and bought a second one to have as a spare. 73, Jim K9YC From ivargronn at gmail.com Thu Aug 23 13:30:24 2018 From: ivargronn at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Ivar_Gr=C3=B8nn?=) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2018 19:30:24 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] KX-2 missing band In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks, I'll look into it but I cannot see such menu option. 73 de Ivar tor. 23. aug. 2018 kl. 18:51 skrev rich hurd WC3T : > There is a menu selection to remove unused bands from selection with the > BAND + and - switches so it "ignores" them. I don't know the details > offhand but it sure sounds like 80m is switched off. > > On Thu, Aug 23, 2018 at 12:11 PM Ivar Gr?nn wrote: > >> My KX-2 has not RX/TX on 80m either CW nor SSB. Other bands works OK. Any >> suggestions for solving? >> 73 de LA6ZFA Ivar >> -- >> Best regards Ivar Gr?nn LA6ZFA >> > ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to rich at wc3t.us > > > > -- > 72, > Rich Hurd / WC3T / DMR: 3142737 > Northampton County RACES, EPA-ARRL Public Information Officer for Scouting > Latitude: 40.761621 Longitude: -75.288988 (40?45.68' N 75?17.33' W) > Grid: *FN20is* > > -- Best regards Ivar Gr?nn LA6ZFA From rich at wc3t.us Thu Aug 23 13:46:51 2018 From: rich at wc3t.us (rich hurd WC3T) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2018 13:46:51 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX-2 missing band In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: My apologies; I thought this was intrinsic to all the KX-line but apparently this functionality is present in the KX3 only. On Thu, Aug 23, 2018 at 1:30 PM Ivar Gr?nn wrote: > Thanks, I'll look into it but I cannot see such menu option. > 73 de Ivar > > tor. 23. aug. 2018 kl. 18:51 skrev rich hurd WC3T : > >> There is a menu selection to remove unused bands from selection with the >> BAND + and - switches so it "ignores" them. I don't know the details >> offhand but it sure sounds like 80m is switched off. >> >> On Thu, Aug 23, 2018 at 12:11 PM Ivar Gr?nn wrote: >> >>> My KX-2 has not RX/TX on 80m either CW nor SSB. Other bands works OK. Any >>> suggestions for solving? >>> 73 de LA6ZFA Ivar >>> -- >>> Best regards Ivar Gr?nn LA6ZFA >>> >> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to rich at wc3t.us >> >> >> >> -- >> 72, >> Rich Hurd / WC3T / DMR: 3142737 >> Northampton County RACES, EPA-ARRL Public Information Officer for Scouting >> Latitude: 40.761621 Longitude: -75.288988 (40?45.68' N 75?17.33' W) >> Grid: *FN20is* >> >> -- > Best regards Ivar Gr?nn LA6ZFA > -- 72, Rich Hurd / WC3T / DMR: 3142737 Northampton County RACES, EPA-ARRL Public Information Officer for Scouting Latitude: 40.761621 Longitude: -75.288988 (40?45.68' N 75?17.33' W) Grid: *FN20is* From ernie at netvision.net.il Thu Aug 23 15:10:49 2018 From: ernie at netvision.net.il (TL_Netvision) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2018 22:10:49 +0300 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 config file - was utilities on Linux In-Reply-To: <000001d43aea$7ed9d3b0$7c8d7b10$@elecraft.com> References: <002e01d43aa8$071bdbd0$15539370$@netvision.net.il> <000001d43aea$7ed9d3b0$7c8d7b10$@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <001601d43b15$00dc8130$02958390$@netvision.net.il> That's good news. I hope I will be able to restore from a P3 config file I received. FWIW the P3 utility establishes communication at 38400 on the correct port & reads the f/w version OK. I can send commands to the P3, I see the changes in behavior, I get well behaved responses. For some reason though, Save \ Restore is grayed-out & firmware upload fails as it is stuck in a "Checking for SVGA" loop . Thanks for the input Dick, 73 Isaac, 4Z1TL -----????? ??????----- ???: dick at elecraft.com ????: Thursday, 23 August 2018 17:07 ??: 'TL_Netvision'? ; elecraft at mailman.qth.net ????: RE: [Elecraft] P3 config file - was utilities on Linux The P3 can restore a config saved from another P3. Some of our other devices (K3, KX3...) won't do cross-serial-number config restore if there is per-unit calibration data that would require any significant work to re-create. The saved-from serial # is in the configuration file, but it currently is not used to inhibit cross-P3 restore. If the P3 Utility cannot get through the initial connection sequence from a P3 (read its firmware version, serial #, etc), the Config Restore button won't be enabled. The P3 Utility can't restore a configuration if it can't get reasonable P3-like responses from P3 installed firmware. I'm trying to avoid restoring a P3 configuration into a K3 or KPA500 with the P3 Utility. 73 de Dick, K6KR -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of TL_Netvision Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2018 23:11 To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] P3 config file - was utilities on Linux Hello, Speaking of configuration files, I wander if I's feasible to restore my P3 from someone else's file (In hope it's not serial-number dependent etc.). I have a P3 (MCU 1.29, no SVGA option) for which all P3 utilities I tried (current & earlier) fail uploading firmware, and don't enable Save \ Restore options. Would the Restore option be enabled again had the P3 utility recognized a valid configuration file in the library? I will be glad to test with someone's file . TIA, Isaac, 4Z1TL --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to dick at elecraft.com From wes_n7ws at triconet.org Thu Aug 23 15:55:41 2018 From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes Stewart) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2018 12:55:41 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [K2] Problem in setup for WSJT In-Reply-To: <7e5c4d6b-441a-c159-a2ee-d322bf72d71e@audiosystemsgroup.com> References: <73c1a96a-89bf-8c07-2eca-8c10db120890@embarqmail.com> <7e5c4d6b-441a-c159-a2ee-d322bf72d71e@audiosystemsgroup.com> Message-ID: <331540b7-f79b-3363-5dea-0c8dca01030a@triconet.org> I second (or third) this.? Having a K3S now and a modest station mine is idle at the moment, but at the ready when I need to have serial ports. Wes? N7WS On 8/23/2018 10:23 AM, Jim Brown wrote: > On 8/23/2018 4:49 AM, hawley, charles j jr wrote: >> I really like the 4 channel Edgeport converters. Very easy and self reliable, >> just plug in. I got a couple used ones on eBay. Work great. > > Yes, I'm using one in my station, and bought a second one to have as a spare. > > 73, Jim K9YC From FlatHat at comcast.net Thu Aug 23 18:01:34 2018 From: FlatHat at comcast.net (Richard) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2018 18:01:34 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] WSJT-X Band Following Message-ID: <88219369-38FC-4BA4-86DE-C461D73E5627@comcast.net> K3S, Mac Sierra 10.12, WSJT-X version 1.8.0. Everything is working perfectly. Well, 99.874% is working perfectly. The little WSJT-X dropdown menu for band selection doesn?t follow band changes I make at the K3S. I am told this can be facilitated with ?a cable? between the K3S and the Mac: RS-232 connector at the K3S and USB-A at the Mac.? Is this correct? If not, what DO I need? Do I need to make any Menu or Config changes to activate this? I?d like to make this work so I won?t have a ton of incorrect band notations in the log. Cheers! Richard ? W4KBX From k9jri at mac.com Thu Aug 23 18:15:19 2018 From: k9jri at mac.com (Michael Blake) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2018 18:15:19 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] WSJT-X Band Following In-Reply-To: <88219369-38FC-4BA4-86DE-C461D73E5627@comcast.net> References: <88219369-38FC-4BA4-86DE-C461D73E5627@comcast.net> Message-ID: <43C2D9AB-13AC-4252-871C-56BFA27D7507@mac.com> Yes, that will work Richard. I connect the K3s to my Mac mini via the Elecraft supplied USB to USB cable. It does not go to the RS232 on the K3s. If you already have the K3s and the MAC connected via the USB cable then you just need to select the correct port on the WSJT-X configuration. If you are already using the connection for a logging program, like MacloggerDx or RUMP the only one program at a time can use the connection. Also, look into JT-Bridge to connective logging program to WSJT-X and let WSJT-X control the radio. Michael Blake > On Aug 23, 2018, at 6:01 PM, Richard wrote: > > K3S, Mac Sierra 10.12, WSJT-X version 1.8.0. > > Everything is working perfectly. Well, 99.874% is working perfectly. The little WSJT-X dropdown menu for band selection doesn?t follow band changes I make at the K3S. I am told this can be facilitated with ?a cable? between the K3S and the Mac: RS-232 connector at the K3S and USB-A at the Mac.? > > Is this correct? If not, what DO I need? > > Do I need to make any Menu or Config changes to activate this? > > I?d like to make this work so I won?t have a ton of incorrect band notations in the log. > > Cheers! > > Richard ? W4KBX > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k9jri at mac.com From rmcgraw at blomand.net Thu Aug 23 18:20:43 2018 From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2018 17:20:43 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] WSJT-X Band Following In-Reply-To: <88219369-38FC-4BA4-86DE-C461D73E5627@comcast.net> References: <88219369-38FC-4BA4-86DE-C461D73E5627@comcast.net> Message-ID: <810a85d3-bb19-72ee-9af1-c68921938ca1@blomand.net> Can't speak for a MAC but you should be using WSJT-X version 1.9.1.? Yes, the K3S should follow the WSJT band/frequency changes.??? And when I change frequency or band on my K3S, the WSJT-X software changes frequency/band accordingly. I use a single cable between my K3S and computer.? This is a standard USB B type cable to USB.? This cable connects to the USB port #33 as shown in the manual.? There is no connection to the RS-232 port.?? In the K3S CONFIG menu RS232 is set to USB.?? This configuration works with every software application which I use.??? WSJT-X, FLDIGI, HRD, MMRTTY, CW DECODER, DIGIPAN, and others.? This cable handles the radio CAT commands and the RX & TX audio as required. 73 Bob, K4TAX On 8/23/2018 5:01 PM, Richard wrote: > K3S, Mac Sierra 10.12, WSJT-X version 1.8.0. > > Everything is working perfectly. Well, 99.874% is working perfectly. The little WSJT-X dropdown menu for band selection doesn?t follow band changes I make at the K3S. I am told this can be facilitated with ?a cable? between the K3S and the Mac: RS-232 connector at the K3S and USB-A at the Mac.? > > Is this correct? If not, what DO I need? > > Do I need to make any Menu or Config changes to activate this? > > I?d like to make this work so I won?t have a ton of incorrect band notations in the log. > > Cheers! > > Richard ? W4KBX > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to rmcgraw at blomand.net From donwilh at embarqmail.com Thu Aug 23 18:26:03 2018 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2018 18:26:03 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] WSJT-X Band Following In-Reply-To: <88219369-38FC-4BA4-86DE-C461D73E5627@comcast.net> References: <88219369-38FC-4BA4-86DE-C461D73E5627@comcast.net> Message-ID: <730ddec4-f41e-c8af-f955-3f3edbb30ea0@embarqmail.com> Richard, If you want to have the software application know the band and frequency that the K3S is working, you must establish communications between that application and the K3S. With the K3S, that is accomplished over the USB connection between the computer and the K3S. So you must tell the application which COM port the K3S is connected to. Yes, a USB port will have a COM port associated with it. I do not know how to find that information on a Mac, so perhaps some other Mac user will be able to tell you. The K3S uses the USB cable, and not an RS-232 cable - unless you have some strange connection using the RJ45 to RS-232 dongle on the K3S instead of the USB cable. 73, Don W3FPR On 8/23/2018 6:01 PM, Richard wrote: > K3S, Mac Sierra 10.12, WSJT-X version 1.8.0. > > Everything is working perfectly. Well, 99.874% is working perfectly. The little WSJT-X dropdown menu for band selection doesn?t follow band changes I make at the K3S. I am told this can be facilitated with ?a cable? between the K3S and the Mac: RS-232 connector at the K3S and USB-A at the Mac.? > From k9yeq at live.com Thu Aug 23 18:51:35 2018 From: k9yeq at live.com (Bill Johnson) Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2018 22:51:35 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] New KPA1500 Remote Program In-Reply-To: <1534896553636-0.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <5b7c7b80.1c69fb81.6bf6.d373@mx.google.com> <004b01d43996$64f4a7e0$2eddf7a0$@verizon.net> <3c11dd40-2b82-b816-6754-2fa5ff00a6c0@elecraft.com> <00ac01d439a6$5479f4a0$fd6ddde0$@verizon.net> <1534896553636-0.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: Most *.exe programs are blocked by many antivirus programs. Download first, then go to download folder note the file name and then add to the allowed programs in your anti virus program or firewall settings. You can always back down the user settings to not block everything suspicious but have the firewall prompt you as to whether or not you think it is safe. I am generic in my description as to how to do this as there are so many OS's and so little time... for me. 73, Bill K9YEQ https://wrj-tech.com/ -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of W0FK Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2018 7:09 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] New KPA1500 Remote Program I have the same issue with most Elecraft and other ham-related programs when using Norton. The files get quarantined after downloading because they're 'suspect", typically due to "few users". There should be a setting in your anti-virus program to get the file restored and "ignored" or "allowed". Lou, W0FK ----- St. Louis, MO "The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits." Albert Einstein -- Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to k9yeq at live.com From ernie at netvision.net.il Fri Aug 24 00:38:26 2018 From: ernie at netvision.net.il (TL_Netvision) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2018 07:38:26 +0300 Subject: [Elecraft] P3 config file - was utilities on Linux References: <002e01d43aa8$071bdbd0$15539370$@netvision.net.il> <000001d43aea$7ed9d3b0$7c8d7b10$@elecraft.com> Message-ID: <002801d43b64$4c756f40$e5604dc0$@netvision.net.il> Hello all, Just to update: my P3 still won't allow for Save \ Restore in spite having configuration files in the proper directory. Thanks again for the assistance here. 73, Isaac, 4Z1TL -----????? ??????----- ???: TL_Netvision ????: Thursday, 23 August 2018 22:11 ??: 'dick at elecraft.com'? ; 'elecraft at mailman.qth.net'? ????: RE: [Elecraft] P3 config file - was utilities on Linux That's good news. I hope I will be able to restore from a P3 config file I received. FWIW the P3 utility establishes communication at 38400 on the correct port & reads the f/w version OK. I can send commands to the P3, I see the changes in behavior, I get well behaved responses. For some reason though, Save \ Restore is grayed-out & firmware upload fails as it is stuck in a "Checking for SVGA" loop . Thanks for the input Dick, 73 Isaac, 4Z1TL -----????? ??????----- ???: dick at elecraft.com ????: Thursday, 23 August 2018 17:07 ??: 'TL_Netvision'? ; elecraft at mailman.qth.net ????: RE: [Elecraft] P3 config file - was utilities on Linux The P3 can restore a config saved from another P3. Some of our other devices (K3, KX3...) won't do cross-serial-number config restore if there is per-unit calibration data that would require any significant work to re-create. The saved-from serial # is in the configuration file, but it currently is not used to inhibit cross-P3 restore. If the P3 Utility cannot get through the initial connection sequence from a P3 (read its firmware version, serial #, etc), the Config Restore button won't be enabled. The P3 Utility can't restore a configuration if it can't get reasonable P3-like responses from P3 installed firmware. I'm trying to avoid restoring a P3 configuration into a K3 or KPA500 with the P3 Utility. 73 de Dick, K6KR -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of TL_Netvision Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2018 23:11 To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] P3 config file - was utilities on Linux Hello, Speaking of configuration files, I wander if I's feasible to restore my P3 from someone else's file (In hope it's not serial-number dependent etc.). I have a P3 (MCU 1.29, no SVGA option) for which all P3 utilities I tried (current & earlier) fail uploading firmware, and don't enable Save \ Restore options. Would the Restore option be enabled again had the P3 utility recognized a valid configuration file in the library? I will be glad to test with someone's file . TIA, Isaac, 4Z1TL --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to dick at elecraft.com From ericrosenberg.dc at gmail.com Fri Aug 24 06:10:07 2018 From: ericrosenberg.dc at gmail.com (ericrosenberg.dc at gmail.com) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2018 06:10:07 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Recycling replaced parts/boards? Message-ID: <026301d43b92$a2e026d0$e8a07470$@gmail.com> I've replaced to two synthesizer boards in my K3. Is there a way (or does Elecraft provide a service) to recycle them, as I'm sure they have no value? I don't want to simply throw them into the landfill. Thanks, Eric W3DQ From gm3sek at ifwtech.co.uk Fri Aug 24 09:21:07 2018 From: gm3sek at ifwtech.co.uk (Ian White) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2018 14:21:07 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] Recycling replaced parts/boards? In-Reply-To: <026301d43b92$a2e026d0$e8a07470$@gmail.com> References: <026301d43b92$a2e026d0$e8a07470$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <006e01d43bad$56133f70$0239be50$@co.uk> Keep both of the old boards. They are your backup spares, and can also be useful diagnostic aids. Remember that your K3 requires two synthesizer boards of the same type, so you would always need to swap them both. 73 from Ian GM3SEK >-----Original Message----- >From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft- >bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of >ericrosenberg.dc at gmail.com >Sent: 24 August 2018 11:10 >To: elecraft at mailman qth. net >Subject: [Elecraft] Recycling replaced parts/boards? > >I've replaced to two synthesizer boards in my K3. > > > >Is there a way (or does Elecraft provide a service) to recycle them, as >I'm >sure they have no value? > > > >I don't want to simply throw them into the landfill. > > > >Thanks, > >Eric W3DQ > >_________________________________________________________ >_____ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >Message delivered to gm3sek at ifwtech.co.uk From daniel.l.pawlak at perspecta.com Fri Aug 24 10:18:42 2018 From: daniel.l.pawlak at perspecta.com (Pawlak, Daniel L) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2018 14:18:42 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] [K2] DSP settings aadvice Message-ID: <663A19477829554089F5D347060978AF68971731@DC7SWEXP003.corp.adroot.internal> I've had the DSP module installed in my K2 (ser. no. 03957)since I built it. After a long hiatus, I've fired it up, realigned it successfully using Spectragram , and the audio still sounds horrible. I've come to realize that the parameters used for the DSP are probably not optimized for SSB. I think I still have the default settings entered. I've read on other forums that the DSP can be finicky to set up properly; in fact, some have complained that the DSP is close to useless, probably because they've been unsuccessful in setting it up properly. Based on your experience, I'd appreciate any advice on how to find that sweet spot for SSB. Thanks. 73, Dan KF4KKF From donwilh at embarqmail.com Fri Aug 24 11:31:52 2018 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2018 11:31:52 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] [K2] DSP settings aadvice In-Reply-To: <663A19477829554089F5D347060978AF68971731@DC7SWEXP003.corp.adroot.internal> References: <663A19477829554089F5D347060978AF68971731@DC7SWEXP003.corp.adroot.internal> Message-ID: <6e92b0ca-4e26-15c6-3123-413a14203624@embarqmail.com> Dan, The KDSP2 does quite well for SSB. Check your settings against the defaults shown in the KDSP2 manual. Particularly the bandpass low and high frequencies. Secondly, make sure the 'nr' and 'nt' is set to off (no dots before them on the display. If those are set on, they can be expected to cause some distortion. 73, Don W3FPR On 8/24/2018 10:18 AM, Pawlak, Daniel L wrote: > I've had the DSP module installed in my K2 (ser. no. 03957)since I built it. After a long hiatus, I've fired it up, realigned it successfully using Spectragram , and the audio still sounds horrible. I've come to realize that the parameters used for the DSP are probably not optimized for SSB. I think I still have the default settings entered. > I've read on other forums that the DSP can be finicky to set up properly; in fact, some have complained that the DSP is close to useless, probably because they've been unsuccessful in setting it up properly. Based on your experience, I'd appreciate any advice on how to find that sweet spot for SSB. From ernie at netvision.net.il Fri Aug 24 11:53:47 2018 From: ernie at netvision.net.il (TL_Netvision) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2018 18:53:47 +0300 Subject: [Elecraft] FP Mic 8 volts Message-ID: <005301d43bc2$a5010a30$ef031e90$@netvision.net.il> Hello all, While trying different front microphones (Dynamic & Electret) I noticed that 8v on pin 6 of the mic socket is always present no matter if I set bias to on or to off. What am I missing please? 73, Isaac, 4Z1TL --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From n7wy at rocketmail.com Fri Aug 24 11:52:29 2018 From: n7wy at rocketmail.com (n7wy at rocketmail.com) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2018 15:52:29 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] =?utf-8?q?Recycling_replaced_parts/boards=3F?= Message-ID: Where I live in MO there are several local E-waste recyclers. Here is a link that may find you one in your area - https://allgreenrecycling.com/drop-off-locations/ Their website is not responsive to your Zip code, but web search finds - All Green Electronics Recycling - Washington, DC Address: 1455 Pennsylvania Ave NW Ste 400, Washington, DC 20004 Phone: (800) 780-0347 73, Bob R = N7WY From ernie at netvision.net.il Fri Aug 24 12:02:03 2018 From: ernie at netvision.net.il (TL_Netvision) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2018 19:02:03 +0300 Subject: [Elecraft] FP Mic 8 volts Message-ID: <005401d43bc3$cca16de0$65e449a0$@netvision.net.il> Oops... I think I messed up...It's the voltage to MIC input pin 1 that's affected by bias on off. Isaac, 4Z1TL -----????? ??????----- ???: TL_Netvision ????: Friday, 24 August 2018 18:54 ??: 'elecraft at mailman.qth.net'? ????: FP Mic 8 volts Hello all, While trying different front microphones (Dynamic & Electret) I noticed that 8v on pin 6 of the mic socket is always present no matter if I set bias to on or to off. What am I missing please? 73, Isaac, 4Z1TL --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From pincon at erols.com Fri Aug 24 12:14:37 2018 From: pincon at erols.com (Charlie T) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2018 12:14:37 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Recycling replaced parts/boards? In-Reply-To: <20180824155839.4AF2C149B178@mailman.qth.net> References: <20180824155839.4AF2C149B178@mailman.qth.net> Message-ID: <003101d43bc5$90f46980$b2dd3c80$@erols.com> They splatter nicely when hit with anything over about .30 cal. 73, Charlie k3ICH -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of Bob Rennard via Elecraft Sent: Friday, August 24, 2018 11:52 AM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] Recycling replaced parts/boards? Where I live in MO there are several local E-waste recyclers. Here is a link that may find you one in your area - https://allgreenrecycling.com/drop-off-locations/ Their website is not responsive to your Zip code, but web search finds - All Green Electronics Recycling - Washington, DC Address: 1455 Pennsylvania Ave NW Ste 400, Washington, DC 20004 Phone: (800) 780-0347 73, Bob R = N7WY ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to pincon at erols.com From eric at elecraft.com Fri Aug 24 12:31:20 2018 From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2018 09:31:20 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] New KPA1500 Remote Program In-Reply-To: References: <5b7c7b80.1c69fb81.6bf6.d373@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Have no fear, it?s a ?false positive?.? Two of the hits are defined as ?FileRepMalware? which after some research basically means the KPA1500 Utility has not been seen widely by the virus detection engine., which is not unsurprising as 1.14 was brand new, and isn?t widely distributed. Its likely to happen on many of our utilities, since the wider non-ham public is not using them. Eric /elecraft.com/ On 8/21/2018 2:02 PM, Mark Ethridge wrote: > Anytime you suspect a file or url to be malicious you can submit it on > virustotal.com for analysis. > > de k4sne > Mark Ethridge > > On Tue, Aug 21, 2018, 3:52 PM Ed G wrote: > >> Hello, >> Anyone else getting a virus hit when trying to install the KPA1500 >> Remote program (ver 1.14)? I get a ?filerepmalware? indication, and Avast >> moves the exe file into the Avast file locker. I am running Win 10. >> --Ed? >> >> >> From tomb18 at videotron.ca Fri Aug 24 12:46:47 2018 From: tomb18 at videotron.ca (Tom) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2018 12:46:47 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] New KPA1500 Remote Program In-Reply-To: References: <5b7c7b80.1c69fb81.6bf6.d373@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <252785FFCA0B417A86865B96CF83E3F2@DESKTOPAV61F2H> Hi, By default, Avast will move any unknown file to the locker. This includes new software like the utility. In the Avast settings, one of the first entries is Enable CyberCapture. Set this to "allow me to decide". Once you have done this, it will not automatically be sent to the locker, but rather scanned while you wait and then all will be well. 73 Tom va2fsq.com -----Original Message----- From: Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft Sent: Friday, August 24, 2018 12:31 PM To: Mark Ethridge ; Ed G Cc: Elecraft Reflector Subject: Re: [Elecraft] New KPA1500 Remote Program Have no fear, it?s a ?false positive?. Two of the hits are defined as ?FileRepMalware? which after some research basically means the KPA1500 Utility has not been seen widely by the virus detection engine., which is not unsurprising as 1.14 was brand new, and isn?t widely distributed. Its likely to happen on many of our utilities, since the wider non-ham public is not using them. Eric /elecraft.com/ On 8/21/2018 2:02 PM, Mark Ethridge wrote: > Anytime you suspect a file or url to be malicious you can submit it on > virustotal.com for analysis. > > de k4sne > Mark Ethridge > > On Tue, Aug 21, 2018, 3:52 PM Ed G wrote: > >> Hello, >> Anyone else getting a virus hit when trying to install the KPA1500 >> Remote program (ver 1.14)? I get a ?filerepmalware? indication, and Avast >> moves the exe file into the Avast file locker. I am running Win 10. >> --Ed? >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to tomb18 at videotron.ca --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From johnn1jm at gmail.com Fri Aug 24 17:44:18 2018 From: johnn1jm at gmail.com (John_N1JM) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2018 14:44:18 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] For Sale Defective PX3 Message-ID: <1535147058084-0.post@n2.nabble.com> Good for parts. The front panel board is defective. It come with a new spare TFT color display. $160 shipped. PayPal preferred. 73, John N1JM -- Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ From rmcgraw at blomand.net Fri Aug 24 19:37:05 2018 From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2018 18:37:05 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] FP Mic 8 volts In-Reply-To: <005301d43bc2$a5010a30$ef031e90$@netvision.net.il> References: <005301d43bc2$a5010a30$ef031e90$@netvision.net.il> Message-ID: If using a dynamic mike you should not have any connection to pin #6 anyway.? So it would make no difference.? The BIAS? On and Off applies to the back panel mike connection. 73 Bob, K4TAX On 8/24/2018 10:53 AM, TL_Netvision wrote: > Hello all, > > While trying different front microphones (Dynamic & Electret) I noticed that > 8v on pin 6 of the mic socket is always present no matter if I set bias to > on or to off. > What am I missing please? > > 73, Isaac, 4Z1TL > > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to rmcgraw at blomand.net > From donwilh at embarqmail.com Fri Aug 24 19:49:05 2018 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2018 19:49:05 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] FP Mic 8 volts In-Reply-To: References: <005301d43bc2$a5010a30$ef031e90$@netvision.net.il> Message-ID: <3c04444a-c54f-0999-c340-7d63c7d47f81@embarqmail.com> Bias on and off applies to the front panel mic Pin 1 as well as the tip of the rear panel jack. It depends on whether you have the FP or the RP selected. Some Kenwood desk mics do use the power pin, but those Kenwood mics use pin 5 instead of pin 6 for power, so you would have to re-wire the mic plug to use them. 73, Don W3FPR On 8/24/2018 7:37 PM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote: > If using a dynamic mike you should not have any connection to pin #6 > anyway.? So it would make no difference.? The BIAS? On and Off applies > to the back panel mike connection. > > 73 > > Bob, K4TAX > > > On 8/24/2018 10:53 AM, TL_Netvision wrote: >> Hello all, >> >> While trying different front microphones (Dynamic & Electret) I >> noticed that >> 8v on pin 6 of the mic socket is always present no matter if I set >> bias to >> on or to off. >> What am I missing please? >> >> 73, Isaac, 4Z1TL >> >> >> >> --- >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to rmcgraw at blomand.net >> > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to donwilh at embarqmail.com From w2ljqrp at gmail.com Fri Aug 24 23:39:02 2018 From: w2ljqrp at gmail.com (Larry W2LJ) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2018 23:39:02 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Hey, guys and gals! There's a new QRP Sprint in town! Message-ID: <3fa080764e747f4e91ed7781ff676ef2@192.168.1.3> We start the outdoor QRP Season each year with FYBO in February. The there's a long wait until the Spring Classics - QRP To The Field and the Cookie Crumble Contest. Then in the heat of the Summer the Bumblebees and the Skeeters take flight. In the Fall we get nutty with our NoGA friends in the Peanut Power Sprint, and then we pack it all away for the Winter. Until now, that is! Now, thanks to Tim W3ATB we now have the Leaf Peepers QRP Sprint, which is designed to get you out in the glory of Autumn, where the air is crisp, the leaves colorful and the beauty of nature is breathtaking. This sprint will take place on Saturday, October 6th from 1700 to 2100 UTC. For all the details and to sign up for a Leaf Peeper number, please visit - https://w3atb.com/leaf-peepers-qrp-contest/ So take a brake from raking and get on the air and enjoy the beauty of the season! From josh at voodoolab.com Sat Aug 25 10:08:10 2018 From: josh at voodoolab.com (Josh Fiden) Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2018 07:08:10 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Hey, guys and gals! There's a new QRP Sprint in town! In-Reply-To: <3fa080764e747f4e91ed7781ff676ef2@192.168.1.3> References: <3fa080764e747f4e91ed7781ff676ef2@192.168.1.3> Message-ID: <80EC81B0-84D7-4273-9837-7E725F18C169@voodoolab.com> This is concurrent with California QSO Party (cqp.org). So, you'll have a whole lot of stations calling CQ CQP while the QRP Leaf Peepers are calling CQLP. Confusing? 73 Josh W6XU Sent from my mobile device > On Aug 24, 2018, at 8:39 PM, Larry W2LJ wrote: > > Leaf Peepers QRP Sprint...Saturday, October 6th from 1700 to 2100 UTC. For all the details and to sign up for a Leaf Peeper number, please visit - https://w3atb.com/leaf-peepers-qrp-contest/ > From mike.flowers at gmail.com Sat Aug 25 11:20:57 2018 From: mike.flowers at gmail.com (Mike Flowers) Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2018 08:20:57 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Macro Question - setting the LINE IN level Message-ID: <55f601d43c87$39aae6a0$ad00b3e0$@gmail.com> Hi Gang, I've got a macro string that sets the K3 to LINE IN, compression to 0, and monitor level to 2. I expected that once LINE IN was selected, then MG016; would set the LINE IN level to 16. But it doesn't. I've searched the K3 Programmers Reference but I seem to be missing this command. MN053;UP;UP;MG016;CP000;ML002;MN255; So, is there a macro command to set LINE IN level? Thanks! - 73 and good DX de Mike, K6MKF, Past President - NCDXC From tomb18 at videotron.ca Sat Aug 25 11:43:07 2018 From: tomb18 at videotron.ca (tomb18) Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2018 11:43:07 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Macro Question - setting the LINE IN level In-Reply-To: Message-ID: HiI believe that is missing in the API.73 Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. -------- Original message --------From: Mike Flowers Date: 2018-08-25 11:20 AM (GMT-05:00) To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Macro Question - setting the LINE IN level Hi Gang, I've got a macro string that sets the K3 to LINE IN, compression to 0, and monitor level to 2.??? I expected that once LINE IN was selected, then MG016; would set the LINE IN level to 16. But it doesn't.??? I've searched the K3 Programmers Reference but I seem to be missing this command. MN053;UP;UP;MG016;CP000;ML002;MN255; So, is there a macro command to set LINE IN level? Thanks! - 73 and good DX de Mike,? K6MKF, Past President -? NCDXC ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to tomb18 at videotron.ca From tim.n9puz at gmail.com Sat Aug 25 17:20:15 2018 From: tim.n9puz at gmail.com (Tim McDonough N9PUZ) Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2018 16:20:15 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 KXIO2 RTC Adjustment Message-ID: I have a KX2 with the internal tuner and the KXIO2 clock module which I purchased used and it is long out of warranty. The clock gains a nearly minute per day in spite of having performed the calibration/adjustment. Elecraft advised that while they are more than happy to repair it by the time I pay for labor and shipping both ways it is probably better to buy a new KXIO2 module which will have a warranty. I can appreciate that and don't fault them a bit for the price but I'm just wondering if anyone has a suggestion for a DIY repair. I spend plenty of money on the hobby but am just wondering if I can get a working internal clock for less than $80 plus shipping? Tim -- N9PUZ From wb6rse1 at mac.com Sat Aug 25 19:09:01 2018 From: wb6rse1 at mac.com (wb6rse1 at mac.com) Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2018 16:09:01 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 TX Calib Dummy Load Recommendations Message-ID: What are recommended dummy loads to consider for use when running the K3 TX Calibration? Thanks - Steve WB6RSE From marklgoldberg at gmail.com Sat Aug 25 19:49:08 2018 From: marklgoldberg at gmail.com (Mark Goldberg) Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2018 16:49:08 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 TX Calib Dummy Load Recommendations In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: A good one that you know is 50 ohms over the range of frequencies and power you want to use it at. Unfortunately, any particular model may be good or bad, depending on how it has been used or abused. Is there any way you can get access to an analyzer to determine if the dummy load is good? I have a Vector Network Analyzer, but few hams will have one of those. Also, if you really want to do a real calibration, you should have a calibrated reference to check against. Lots of devices can be 5-10% off if not calibrated, worse if abused or damaged. A Bird meter is only specified to I think 5% of the full scale. So if it is a 200W full scale, it could be 10W off. So 100W might read 110W or 90W. I've got a calibrated Spectrum Analyzer and Signal Generator that I use to calibrate all my other stuff against, but again, few Hams will have similar or spend to keep them in calibration. In general, oil filled dummy loads with fins like the Birds shown lower on this page are going to be good, but expensive: https://www.birdrf.com/Products/Test%20and%20Measurement/Loads/Coaxial-Terminations.aspx You can find similar ones used, hopefully not abused and not filled with PCBs. I've got a similar one that must be decades old and it works well and is pretty close to 50 ohms over the HF range. I have not opened it to see what it is filled with! 73, Mark W7MLG On Sat, Aug 25, 2018 at 4:09 PM, Steve Lawrence via Elecraft < elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote: > What are recommended dummy loads to consider for use when running the K3 > TX Calibration? > > Thanks - Steve WB6RSE > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to marklgoldberg at gmail.com > From ghyoungman at gmail.com Sat Aug 25 20:05:48 2018 From: ghyoungman at gmail.com (Grant Youngman) Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2018 20:05:48 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 TX Calib Dummy Load Recommendations In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Any decent commercial nominally 50 ohm 100W+ DL ought to work fine, as long as it isn?t a piece of junk that falls apart at 50 MHz. It doesn?t need to be NIST traceable :-) Grant NQ5T K3 #2091 KX3 #8342 > On Aug 25, 2018, at 7:09 PM, Steve Lawrence via Elecraft wrote: > > What are recommended dummy loads to consider for use when running the K3 TX Calibration? > From kengkopp at gmail.com Sat Aug 25 20:14:47 2018 From: kengkopp at gmail.com (Ken G Kopp) Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2018 18:14:47 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Dummy loads Message-ID: Caution ... Some higher wattage resistors use iron wire windings which are of course inductive and are unsuitable for RF dummy loads. 73! K0PP From wunder at wunderwood.org Sat Aug 25 20:35:45 2018 From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood) Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2018 17:35:45 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 TX Calib Dummy Load Recommendations In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I built the Oak Hills Research RFL-100 dummy load kit. It is supposed to be good to 144 MHz, so it should be fine at 50. If you?ve never built a kit, this is a good one to start with. The kit is $50. I got the $5 BNC option, since my shack is 100% BNC. http://www.ohr.com/rfl100.htm Here are some photos of my build. Mine measured 49.9 ?, which is within 0.2%. My Ohmmeter is accurate to +/-0.5%, so I?ll take that as a solid 50 ?. Because the dummy load is built with 50 resistors, part tolerances will average out. https://observer.wunderwood.org/2016/12/31/building-a-dummy-load/ wunder K6WRU Walter Underwood CM87wj http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) > On Aug 25, 2018, at 4:49 PM, Mark Goldberg wrote: > > A good one that you know is 50 ohms over the range of frequencies and power > you want to use it at. Unfortunately, any particular model may be good or > bad, depending on how it has been used or abused. Is there any way you can > get access to an analyzer to determine if the dummy load is good? I have a > Vector Network Analyzer, but few hams will have one of those. > > Also, if you really want to do a real calibration, you should have a > calibrated reference to check against. Lots of devices can be 5-10% off if > not calibrated, worse if abused or damaged. A Bird meter is only specified > to I think 5% of the full scale. So if it is a 200W full scale, it could be > 10W off. So 100W might read 110W or 90W. I've got a calibrated Spectrum > Analyzer and Signal Generator that I use to calibrate all my other stuff > against, but again, few Hams will have similar or spend to keep them in > calibration. > > In general, oil filled dummy loads with fins like the Birds shown lower on > this page are going to be good, but expensive: > > https://www.birdrf.com/Products/Test%20and%20Measurement/Loads/Coaxial-Terminations.aspx > > You can find similar ones used, hopefully not abused and not filled with > PCBs. > > I've got a similar one that must be decades old and it works well and is > pretty close to 50 ohms over the HF range. I have not opened it to see what > it is filled with! > > 73, > > Mark > W7MLG > > > On Sat, Aug 25, 2018 at 4:09 PM, Steve Lawrence via Elecraft < > elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote: > >> What are recommended dummy loads to consider for use when running the K3 >> TX Calibration? >> >> Thanks - Steve WB6RSE >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to marklgoldberg at gmail.com >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wunder at wunderwood.org From ardrhi at gmail.com Sat Aug 25 20:39:38 2018 From: ardrhi at gmail.com (Gwen Patton) Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2018 20:39:38 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 TX Calib Dummy Load Recommendations In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The QRPGuys QRP tuner kit I built is very nice, but don't go over its 12W limit, or you'll blow the diode. Thankfully, I have a pile of them on hand just in case. ;) Gwen NG3P On Sat, Aug 25, 2018 at 8:36 PM Walter Underwood wrote: > I built the Oak Hills Research RFL-100 dummy load kit. It is supposed to > be good to > 144 MHz, so it should be fine at 50. If you?ve never built a kit, this is > a good one to > start with. The kit is $50. I got the $5 BNC option, since my shack is > 100% BNC. > > http://www.ohr.com/rfl100.htm > > Here are some photos of my build. Mine measured 49.9 ?, which is within > 0.2%. > My Ohmmeter is accurate to +/-0.5%, so I?ll take that as a solid 50 ?. > Because the > dummy load is built with 50 resistors, part tolerances will average out. > > https://observer.wunderwood.org/2016/12/31/building-a-dummy-load/ > > wunder > K6WRU > Walter Underwood > CM87wj > http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) > > > On Aug 25, 2018, at 4:49 PM, Mark Goldberg > wrote: > > > > A good one that you know is 50 ohms over the range of frequencies and > power > > you want to use it at. Unfortunately, any particular model may be good or > > bad, depending on how it has been used or abused. Is there any way you > can > > get access to an analyzer to determine if the dummy load is good? I have > a > > Vector Network Analyzer, but few hams will have one of those. > > > > Also, if you really want to do a real calibration, you should have a > > calibrated reference to check against. Lots of devices can be 5-10% off > if > > not calibrated, worse if abused or damaged. A Bird meter is only > specified > > to I think 5% of the full scale. So if it is a 200W full scale, it could > be > > 10W off. So 100W might read 110W or 90W. I've got a calibrated Spectrum > > Analyzer and Signal Generator that I use to calibrate all my other stuff > > against, but again, few Hams will have similar or spend to keep them in > > calibration. > > > > In general, oil filled dummy loads with fins like the Birds shown lower > on > > this page are going to be good, but expensive: > > > > > https://www.birdrf.com/Products/Test%20and%20Measurement/Loads/Coaxial-Terminations.aspx > > > > You can find similar ones used, hopefully not abused and not filled with > > PCBs. > > > > I've got a similar one that must be decades old and it works well and is > > pretty close to 50 ohms over the HF range. I have not opened it to see > what > > it is filled with! > > > > 73, > > > > Mark > > W7MLG > > > > > > On Sat, Aug 25, 2018 at 4:09 PM, Steve Lawrence via Elecraft < > > elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote: > > > >> What are recommended dummy loads to consider for use when running the K3 > >> TX Calibration? > >> > >> Thanks - Steve WB6RSE > >> ______________________________________________________________ > >> Elecraft mailing list > >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >> > >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > >> Message delivered to marklgoldberg at gmail.com > >> > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to wunder at wunderwood.org > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to ardrhi at gmail.com -- -+-+-+-+- Jenny Everywhere's Infinite: Quark Time http://quarktime.net From wunder at wunderwood.org Sat Aug 25 20:50:28 2018 From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood) Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2018 17:50:28 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 TX Calib Dummy Load Recommendations In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2917A2AF-D160-4F76-8CEB-11B450805CD9@wunderwood.org> Sorry, that is twenty resistors, not fifty. wunder K6WRU Walter Underwood CM87wj http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) > On Aug 25, 2018, at 5:35 PM, Walter Underwood wrote: > > I built the Oak Hills Research RFL-100 dummy load kit. It is supposed to be good to > 144 MHz, so it should be fine at 50. If you?ve never built a kit, this is a good one to > start with. The kit is $50. I got the $5 BNC option, since my shack is 100% BNC. > > http://www.ohr.com/rfl100.htm > > Here are some photos of my build. Mine measured 49.9 ?, which is within 0.2%. > My Ohmmeter is accurate to +/-0.5%, so I?ll take that as a solid 50 ?. Because the > dummy load is built with 50 resistors, part tolerances will average out. > > https://observer.wunderwood.org/2016/12/31/building-a-dummy-load/ > > wunder > K6WRU > Walter Underwood > CM87wj > http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) > >> On Aug 25, 2018, at 4:49 PM, Mark Goldberg wrote: >> >> A good one that you know is 50 ohms over the range of frequencies and power >> you want to use it at. Unfortunately, any particular model may be good or >> bad, depending on how it has been used or abused. Is there any way you can >> get access to an analyzer to determine if the dummy load is good? I have a >> Vector Network Analyzer, but few hams will have one of those. >> >> Also, if you really want to do a real calibration, you should have a >> calibrated reference to check against. Lots of devices can be 5-10% off if >> not calibrated, worse if abused or damaged. A Bird meter is only specified >> to I think 5% of the full scale. So if it is a 200W full scale, it could be >> 10W off. So 100W might read 110W or 90W. I've got a calibrated Spectrum >> Analyzer and Signal Generator that I use to calibrate all my other stuff >> against, but again, few Hams will have similar or spend to keep them in >> calibration. >> >> In general, oil filled dummy loads with fins like the Birds shown lower on >> this page are going to be good, but expensive: >> >> https://www.birdrf.com/Products/Test%20and%20Measurement/Loads/Coaxial-Terminations.aspx >> >> You can find similar ones used, hopefully not abused and not filled with >> PCBs. >> >> I've got a similar one that must be decades old and it works well and is >> pretty close to 50 ohms over the HF range. I have not opened it to see what >> it is filled with! >> >> 73, >> >> Mark >> W7MLG >> >> >> On Sat, Aug 25, 2018 at 4:09 PM, Steve Lawrence via Elecraft < >> elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote: >> >>> What are recommended dummy loads to consider for use when running the K3 >>> TX Calibration? >>> >>> Thanks - Steve WB6RSE >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to marklgoldberg at gmail.com >>> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to wunder at wunderwood.org > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to wunder at wunderwood.org From rmcgraw at blomand.net Sat Aug 25 21:46:40 2018 From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX) Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2018 20:46:40 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 TX Calib Dummy Load Recommendations In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <67297e7e-8ef0-4a09-48e0-b5dafe56480a@blomand.net> While one can measure a dummy load with an ohm meter, this is only the DC resistance of the resistive element.?? It does not assure that it is non-reactive as reactance is an AC component related to frequency.?? Dummy loads should appear as 50 ohms at all frequencies within the range where they are expected to be used. ?? A good dummy load will be rated at 50 ohms from DC to 500 MHz or higher. A better way to verify a dummy load is to use an antenna analyzer such as a MFJ-259, an Autec, or Comet CAA-500 or RigExpert AA-30, etc.?? Do connect the dummy load direct to the instrument without a jumper cable and sweep the range of frequencies desired.?? Any value measured other than 50 ohms and with a SWR greater than 1.1:1 is deemed not satisfactory for a dummy load.?? Another method is to use a return loss bridge or a vector network analyzer. Don't be mislead by the numbers printed on the label.? I have two of the "gallon can" oil filled types.? They measure noticeably different values than 50 ohms and get quite reactive above 30 MHz. From this source you will find 100 watt Decibel Product dummy loads DB4303B for $50 each. http://www.nm3e.com/loadSampler.htm#LoadSampler And you will find Bird 100 watt loads, good from DC to 2.4GHz for $85.? And if you need one for that legal limit amp, they have a Bird 82C being a 2500 watt water cooled load for $500. Everyone should have a dummy load and an antenna bridge for their station. 73 Bob, K4TAX On 8/25/2018 7:35 PM, Walter Underwood wrote: > I built the Oak Hills Research RFL-100 dummy load kit. It is supposed to be good to > 144 MHz, so it should be fine at 50. If you?ve never built a kit, this is a good one to > start with. The kit is $50. I got the $5 BNC option, since my shack is 100% BNC. > > http://www.ohr.com/rfl100.htm > > Here are some photos of my build. Mine measured 49.9 ?, which is within 0.2%. > My Ohmmeter is accurate to +/-0.5%, so I?ll take that as a solid 50 ?. Because the > dummy load is built with 50 resistors, part tolerances will average out. > > https://observer.wunderwood.org/2016/12/31/building-a-dummy-load/ > > wunder > K6WRU > Walter Underwood > CM87wj > http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog) > >> On Aug 25, 2018, at 4:49 PM, Mark Goldberg wrote: >> >> A good one that you know is 50 ohms over the range of frequencies and power >> you want to use it at. Unfortunately, any particular model may be good or >> bad, depending on how it has been used or abused. Is there any way you can >> get access to an analyzer to determine if the dummy load is good? I have a >> Vector Network Analyzer, but few hams will have one of those. >> >> Also, if you really want to do a real calibration, you should have a >> calibrated reference to check against. Lots of devices can be 5-10% off if >> not calibrated, worse if abused or damaged. A Bird meter is only specified >> to I think 5% of the full scale. So if it is a 200W full scale, it could be >> 10W off. So 100W might read 110W or 90W. I've got a calibrated Spectrum >> Analyzer and Signal Generator that I use to calibrate all my other stuff >> against, but again, few Hams will have similar or spend to keep them in >> calibration. >> >> In general, oil filled dummy loads with fins like the Birds shown lower on >> this page are going to be good, but expensive: >> >> https://www.birdrf.com/Products/Test%20and%20Measurement/Loads/Coaxial-Terminations.aspx >> >> You can find similar ones used, hopefully not abused and not filled with >> PCBs. >> >> I've got a similar one that must be decades old and it works well and is >> pretty close to 50 ohms over the HF range. I have not opened it to see what >> it is filled with! >> >> 73, >> >> Mark >> W7MLG >> >> >> On Sat, Aug 25, 2018 at 4:09 PM, Steve Lawrence via Elecraft < >> elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote: >> >>> What are recommended dummy loads to consider for use when running the K3 >>> TX Calibration? >>> >>> Thanks - Steve WB6RSE >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to marklgoldberg at gmail.com >>> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to wunder at wunderwood.org > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to rmcgraw at blomand.net From kevinr at coho.net Sat Aug 25 22:01:48 2018 From: kevinr at coho.net (kevinr) Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2018 19:01:48 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Announcement Message-ID: <650288b6-cae6-bfe8-b188-df19c2822412@coho.net> Good Evening, ?? I was working on a pile of brush when I heard an odd sound. It took a while to remember what it was.? At first I thought someone had snuck their old truck nearby.? It sounded like a very rusty hinge opening.? When it repeated I heard the breathy finish and knew it was elk.? For the next hour they would bugle every five minutes or so as they walked up from the east and then down toward the west.? They were moving through the most covered area of new growth.? It has been a number of years since there has been enough cover for them. ?? The bear berries are ripe.? Grouse love them, both spruce and ruffed.? They flush when I am out walking through the white berries.? If it's windy they appear from almost underfoot which gets exciting.? The sun has a few speckles on it with one spot growing rapidly.? The flux has increased and we are due for a CME.? Hopefully the band will be better.? Lots of PT this week, I hope it helps keep my hand from sending too many odd dots and dashes when I least expect them. Please join us tomorrow on: 14050 kHz at 2200z Sunday (3 PM PDT Sunday) ? 7045 kHz at 0000z Monday (5 PM PDT Sunday) 73, Kevin. KD5ONS _ From mlmurrah at mac.com Sun Aug 26 08:45:09 2018 From: mlmurrah at mac.com (Lee Murrah) Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2018 08:45:09 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Filter Recommendations Message-ID: I am looking to upgrade my K3S with filters and am using the DX version of the radio as a guide. What is the advantage of the 2.8 KHz filter over the stock 2.7? What does the 2.1 KHz filter do for you? From frantz at pwpconsult.com Sun Aug 26 08:50:00 2018 From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz) Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2018 05:50:00 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 TX Calib Dummy Load Recommendations In-Reply-To: <67297e7e-8ef0-4a09-48e0-b5dafe56480a@blomand.net> Message-ID: For my KX3, I built a dummy load from three 150 ohm 2 watt resistors and a BNC connector. The resistors are in parallel with a lead going to the center conductor of the connector. The other leads are folded back over the resistors and attached to the ground-side of the connector. The whole outside is then covered with a piece of coax braid. It does well on the antenna analyser test Bob, K4TAX suggests. It lives in a pocket of Rose's case and goes where the radio goes. 73 Bill AE6JV --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz |"After all, if the conventional wisdom was working, the 408-356-8506 | rate of systems being compromised would be going down, www.pwpconsult.com | wouldn't it?" -- Marcus Ranum From frantz at pwpconsult.com Sun Aug 26 08:56:46 2018 From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz) Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2018 05:56:46 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Filter Recommendations In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I find the 2.1 KHz filter useful for SSB contesting when the band is crowded. At other times it also seems to reduce band noise when it is engaged. (The other filter that will be engaged in my radio is a 5 pole 2.7 KHz filter.) If you set a low cutoff of 350 Hz then the 2.1 KHz filter will pass audio up to 2.45 KHz, which makes SSB voice quite intelligible. 73 Bill AE6JV On 8/26/18 at 5:45 AM, elecraft at mailman.qth.net (Lee Murrah via Elecraft) wrote: >What does the 2.1 KHz filter do for you? ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz | Re: Hardware Management Modes: | Periwinkle (408)356-8506 | If there's a mode, there's a | 16345 Englewood Ave www.pwpconsult.com | failure mode. - Jerry Leichter | Los Gatos, CA 95032 From k9jri at mac.com Sun Aug 26 08:56:49 2018 From: k9jri at mac.com (Michael Blake) Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2018 08:56:49 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Filter Recommendations In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <03B86707-F29B-44F4-B979-94DCE54C7293@mac.com> That is a really good question Lee and the answer can be very complicated. It depends is probably the best answer. An everyday experience is what I used in my determination to purchase neither was: When in my daily 3710 LSB group QSO there would regularly be an interfering station on 3713 who was a bit wide. The rest of the 3713 group was not an issue, only this one station. Since he was jus above us and we were on LSB none of the filters would really offer much relief. At other times there would be stations on 3707 that had somewhat poor IMD resulting in some power in what would be their USB. This would interfere and depending on how wide the IMD was a sharper filter might help, but maybe not. What it all boiled down to, for me, was how much strong interference was I experiencing and was the bulk of it in the narrow gap between the filter differences. Since the filters only serve to protect the DSP from overload I have not found compelling reasons to purchase one. When I do purchase one it will be the 2.1 as it offers the most promise with nearby interference and overload. That was just where I wound up:) Very 73 - Mike - K9JRI > On Aug 26, 2018, at 8:45 AM, Lee Murrah via Elecraft wrote: > > I am looking to upgrade my K3S with filters and am using the DX version of the radio as a guide. What is the advantage of the 2.8 KHz filter over the stock 2.7? What does the 2.1 KHz filter do for you? > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k9jri at mac.com From rmcgraw at blomand.net Sun Aug 26 08:59:03 2018 From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX) Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2018 07:59:03 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Filter Recommendations In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5d9828b9-a25c-eff0-8ac3-2f53330cde70@blomand.net> Although I have the standard 2.7 kHz filter in my K3S, the 2.8 is reported to give a little bit better SSB sounding audio.? From experience with another radio, opening up the SSB BW 100 Hz gives a wee bit better sounding audio.? Emphasis on "wee" bit.? As to the 2.1 kHz, I opted for a 1.8 kHz as a 2nd filter and I've found it good for SSB reception in heavy QRM.? A 500 Hz is the third filter for CW and Digital work.?? These are roofing filters and it is the DSP engine which gives the receiver selectivity. Everyone has their preferences and these are mine in both of the stations on the desk. 73 Bob, K4TAX On 8/26/2018 7:45 AM, Lee Murrah via Elecraft wrote: > I am looking to upgrade my K3S with filters and am using the DX version of the radio as a guide. What is the advantage of the 2.8 KHz filter over the stock 2.7? What does the 2.1 KHz filter do for you? > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to rmcgraw at blomand.net > From rmcgraw at blomand.net Sun Aug 26 09:02:31 2018 From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX) Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2018 08:02:31 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 TX Calib Dummy Load Recommendations In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <69b7c930-0e39-0a2e-0373-7aa46a00b3c3@blomand.net> Try to find carbon resistors as newer film resistors may be reactive.??? Older carbon resistors have a tendency to migrate upwards in value.? Be sure to check them with a meter. 73 Bob, K4TAX On 8/26/2018 7:50 AM, Bill Frantz wrote: > For my KX3, I built a dummy load from three 150 ohm 2 watt resistors > and a BNC connector. The resistors are in parallel with a lead going > to the center conductor of the connector. The other leads are folded > back over the resistors and attached to the ground-side of the > connector. The whole outside is then covered with a piece of coax > braid. It does well on the antenna analyser test Bob, K4TAX suggests. > > It lives in a pocket of Rose's case and goes where the radio goes. > > 73 Bill AE6JV > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Bill Frantz??????? |"After all, if the conventional wisdom was > working, the > 408-356-8506?????? | rate of systems being compromised would be going > down, > www.pwpconsult.com | wouldn't it?" -- Marcus Ranum > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to rmcgraw at blomand.net > From n0nb at n0nb.us Sun Aug 26 09:29:28 2018 From: n0nb at n0nb.us (Nate Bargmann) Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2018 08:29:28 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Filter Recommendations In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20180826132928.snh4queitybiwhc4@n0nb.us> * On 2018 26 Aug 07:46 -0500, Lee Murrah via Elecraft wrote: > I am looking to upgrade my K3S with filters and am using the DX > version of the radio as a guide. What is the advantage of the 2.8 KHz > filter over the stock 2.7? What does the 2.1 KHz filter do for you? I have the 2.7 and 2.1 filters for SSB work. I'm often on a 75m net with a group that is 2 kHz below the net frequency. With the 2.1 kHz filter I can dial the Hi Cut down to 2.05 kHz and I don't hear them at all while still having excellent intelligibility of the net. For the QSO Party this weekend, I can dial the width down to just where the 2.1 kHz is switched in and operate without a lot of squeaks and squawks. In years past I bought a TS-850S fitted with a 1.8 kHz Kenwood filter which was next to useless as the speech was not intelligible. I sold it and bought a pair of INRAD 2.1 kHz filters (one for each IF) which really made that radio work very well until it had other issues. I've been a fan of the INRAD 2.1 kHz filter for narrow SSB work ever since. The K3[S] with the choice of Hi/Lo Cut or Width and shift, allows one to make maximum use of the filtering depending on the need. ++++ 73, Nate, N0NB -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true." Web: http://www.n0nb.us GPG key: D55A8819 GitHub: N0NB From wes_n7ws at triconet.org Sun Aug 26 09:30:10 2018 From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes Stewart) Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2018 06:30:10 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Filter Recommendations In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The 2.8 has better symmetry and no frequency offset. Personally, I have no use for a 2.1.? If you are a CW or RTTY man get a 400 Hz. Wes? N7WS ?On 8/26/2018 5:45 AM, Lee Murrah via Elecraft wrote: > I am looking to upgrade my K3S with filters and am using the DX version of the radio as a guide. What is the advantage of the 2.8 KHz filter over the stock 2.7? What does the 2.1 KHz filter do for you? From donwilh at embarqmail.com Sun Aug 26 09:50:34 2018 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2018 09:50:34 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Filter Recommendations In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7f710b38-43e3-82e2-21ff-5b1a4b291508@embarqmail.com> Lee, The 2.8kHz filter has a flatter passband and steeper skirts than the 2.7kHz. But remember that this is a roofing filter, the DSP provides the actual filtering for the K3/K3S. The purpose of the roofing filter is to keep strong adjacent signals from overloading the Hardware AGC and the ADC at the input to the DSP circuits. A strong signal that is inside the passband of the roofing filter, but outside the passband of the DSP filter (you may not hear that signal since it is outside the DSP filter) can cause receiver AGC "pumping" and in extreme cases can overload the ADC causing severe "information garbling". 73, Don W3FPR On 8/26/2018 8:45 AM, Lee Murrah via Elecraft wrote: > I am looking to upgrade my K3S with filters and am using the DX version of the radio as a guide. What is the advantage of the 2.8 KHz filter over the stock 2.7? What does the 2.1 KHz filter do for you? > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to donwilh at embarqmail.com > From rmcgraw at blomand.net Sun Aug 26 09:51:00 2018 From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX) Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2018 08:51:00 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Filter Recommendations In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: In regard to filters, see http://www.elecraft.com/K3/Roofing_Filters.htm for the explanation and justification and application of various filters.?? Wayne and Eric have provided excellent real world advice in this regard. 73 Bob, K4TAX From donwilh at embarqmail.com Sun Aug 26 09:56:13 2018 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2018 09:56:13 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 TX Calib Dummy Load Recommendations In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Some of the best dummy loads are built from Caddox Thick Film Resistors. The 50 ohm resistors are non-reactive and flat up through 500 MHz. They MUST be mounted on a heatsink to achieve their power rating. Using careful wiring practices (close to zero length leads), you can wire 4 of the 25 watt versions in series-parallel for a 100 ohm dummy load, but there is a 100 watt version available that will do a better job. 73, Don W3FPR On 8/26/2018 8:50 AM, Bill Frantz wrote: > For my KX3, I built a dummy load from three 150 ohm 2 watt resistors and > a BNC connector. The resistors are in parallel with a lead going to the > center conductor of the connector. The other leads are folded back over > the resistors and attached to the ground-side of the connector. The > whole outside is then covered with a piece of coax braid. It does well > on the antenna analyser test Bob, K4TAX suggests. > From pubx1 at af2z.net Sun Aug 26 10:15:25 2018 From: pubx1 at af2z.net (Drew AF2Z) Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2018 10:15:25 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 TX Calib Dummy Load Recommendations In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I have a db Products 50 watt dummy load which was sold on ebay as surplus cellular test equipment. That should mean it's good to a GHz I guess. Even though it's only 50 watts I have used it briefly at 100. There used to be lots of these on ebay but now all I see are 25 or 30 watt versions. 73, Drew AF2Z On 08/25/18 19:09, Steve Lawrence via Elecraft wrote: > What are recommended dummy loads to consider for use when running the K3 TX Calibration? > > Thanks - Steve WB6RSE > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to pubx1 at af2z.net > From lists at w2irt.net Sun Aug 26 10:50:59 2018 From: lists at w2irt.net (Peter W2IRT) Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2018 10:50:59 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Filter Recommendations In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <00ae01d43d4c$343b0900$9cb11b00$@net> For SSB, I tricked my K3s out with a pair of matched 2.8s (needed for diversity reception) and a 2.1 that frankly doesn't make much of a difference. I also have the 13 kHz filter in for wideband RX and 10m FM (and if I ever wanted ESSB audio, which I don't). On the CW side, I have a matched pair of 400 Hz filters (again, for diversity reception), and a 250 -- and only because at the time I ordered, the 200 wasn't available. I'm very pleased with that combination, and the only change I'd make if I had to do it again would be a 1.8 instead of a 2.1 for SSB. - pjd -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Lee Murrah via Elecraft Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2018 8:45 AM To: Elecraft Mail List Subject: [Elecraft] Filter Recommendations I am looking to upgrade my K3S with filters and am using the DX version of the radio as a guide. What is the advantage of the 2.8 KHz filter over the stock 2.7? What does the 2.1 KHz filter do for you? ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to lists at w2irt.net From k4mmg.ham at gmail.com Sun Aug 26 11:11:32 2018 From: k4mmg.ham at gmail.com (steve long) Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2018 10:11:32 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 ATU HELP Message-ID: <5b82c325.1c69fb81.fba74.b664@mx.google.com> Message on display indicates, ATU locked. How is it unlocked? Pressing the Khz button has no effect. Thanks, Steve/k4mmg k Khz button mah Kes no change Thanks, SteveK4mmg Sent from Mail for Windows 10 --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From bob at hogbytes.com Sun Aug 26 11:27:59 2018 From: bob at hogbytes.com (Bob N3MNT) Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2018 08:27:59 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 ATU HELP In-Reply-To: <5b82c325.1c69fb81.fba74.b664@mx.google.com> References: <5b82c325.1c69fb81.fba74.b664@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <1535297279283-0.post@n2.nabble.com> Is ATU MD menu set to Auto? -- Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ From n6kr at elecraft.com Sun Aug 26 11:56:48 2018 From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick) Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2018 08:56:48 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 ATU HELP In-Reply-To: <5b82c325.1c69fb81.fba74.b664@mx.google.com> References: <5b82c325.1c69fb81.fba74.b664@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <2BBA443D-12E2-4766-B80A-8703A6F81819@elecraft.com> Steve, To unlock a menu entry, you have to hold KHZ for about 3 seconds. Wayne N6KR ---- http://www.elecraft.com > On Aug 26, 2018, at 8:11 AM, steve long wrote: > > Message on display indicates, ATU locked. How is it unlocked? Pressing the Khz button has no effect. > > Thanks, > > Steve/k4mmg > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > k > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Khz button mah > Kes no change > > Thanks, > > SteveK4mmg > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n6kr at elecraft.com From donwilh at embarqmail.com Sun Aug 26 12:00:38 2018 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2018 12:00:38 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 KXIO2 RTC Adjustment In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Tim, I would suggest trying again to recalibrate it. The recalibration can be a long process of trial and error with the results measured over several days. That is a lot less expensive than buying a new one or sending it to Elecraft. I do not expect the long term accuracy of any rig's real time clock to be correct over a period of days. Even gaining a minute a day is sufficient for logging during an outing. Actually, I do not use it, I use the Timex on my wrist for accurate timekeeping, and it is easier for me than pulling up the RTC display on the KX2 when doing paper logging. 73, Don W3FPR On 8/25/2018 5:20 PM, Tim McDonough N9PUZ wrote: > I have a KX2 with the internal tuner and the KXIO2 clock module which I > purchased used and it is long out of warranty. The clock gains a nearly > minute per day in spite of having performed the calibration/adjustment. > > Elecraft advised that while they are more than happy to repair it by the > time I pay for labor and shipping both ways it is probably better to buy > a new KXIO2 module which will have a warranty. I can appreciate that and > don't fault them a bit for the price but I'm just wondering if anyone > has a suggestion for a DIY repair. I spend plenty of money on the hobby > but am just wondering if I can get a working internal clock for less > than $80 plus shipping? From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Sun Aug 26 13:21:34 2018 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2018 10:21:34 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Filter Recommendations In-Reply-To: <7f710b38-43e3-82e2-21ff-5b1a4b291508@embarqmail.com> References: <7f710b38-43e3-82e2-21ff-5b1a4b291508@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: On 8/26/2018 6:50 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > The 2.8kHz filter has a flatter passband and steeper skirts than the > 2.7kHz. Yes. I use 2.8 kHz filters in all three of my main receivers, and 2.7 kHz in my Sub Receivers. The better flatness of the 2.8 kHz filter reduces incidental AM when transmitting RTTY. I don't bother matching the 2.8 and 2.7 filters because I don't use them when set for diversity reception -- rather, I'm trying to dig weak CW signals out of the noise. I do SSB contesting, so first bought 1.8 kHz filters, which I find too narrow. I've settled on 2.1 kHz. For RTTY and some CW I use 400 Hz filters, and 250 Hz for CW most of the time. As Don as observed, it's important to understand that these are roofing filters, and that the K3 IF is in DSP, and is variable from 50 Hz to >4 kHZ. The settings of the DSP IF are what mainly set the RX bandwidth. In addition to protecting the DSP IF from overload and the AGC from signals outside the set bandwidth, the roofing filters also CASCADE with the DSP IF. That is, when the DSP IF is set to about the same bandwidth as the selected roofing filter, the two filters combine to provide much steeper "skirts," so that very close signals are more deeply rejected. This is what helps N0NB copy his net with QRM only 2 kHz below them. 73, Jim K9YC From rc.kc5wa at gmail.com Sun Aug 26 13:21:43 2018 From: rc.kc5wa at gmail.com (Robert 'RC' Conley) Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2018 12:21:43 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K2 options for sale Message-ID: I have for sale K2 OPTIONS that I decided not to install in my K2 KAT2 Elecraft price $219.95 KAF2Elecraft price $99.95 Toroid Guy prewound toroids for KAT2 $20.00 total cost to me was $339.90. ASKING $250.00 and I'll pay shipping USPS Priority mail CON US ONLY PAYPAL ONLY WW5RC -- The Morse be with you....Live Long and Prosper.... From wb6rse1 at mac.com Sun Aug 26 15:36:20 2018 From: wb6rse1 at mac.com (wb6rse1 at mac.com) Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2018 12:36:20 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 TX Calib Dummy Load Recommendations In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "What are recommended dummy loads to consider for use when running the K3 TX Calibration?" ____________ Thanks to all who've replied both on and especially off list. The general consensus is that BIRD makes the best dummy loads. Avoiding units that incorporate BeO is a consideration. Others mentioned, in no particular order: Heath / MFJ Cantenna Oak Hills Research RFL 100 db Products Designs that use Caddock film resistors. MFJs. TKS & 73 - Steve WB6RSE From kevinr at coho.net Sun Aug 26 20:41:14 2018 From: kevinr at coho.net (kevinr) Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2018 17:41:14 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Report Message-ID: <73f0fb18-7244-fad4-f98b-0600e3101623@coho.net> Good Evening, ?? The bands were not kind.? 20 meters was weak with deep QSB. 40 meters had less QSB but was weak and going long.? However, there were a few folks out there at ESP levels who made it into the log. ? On 14050.5 kHz at 2200z: K4TO - Dave - KY NO8V - John - MI K6XK - Roy - IA ? On 7045 kHz at 0000z: K0DTJ - Brian - CA K6PJV - Dale - CA ?? Cooler weather, mist, and a little rain have all helped clean the smoke out of the air.? Hopefully a day or two without smoke will result.? Luckily the rainy season is not too far off.? Maybe it will be early this year.? The firefighters truly need a break. ? 73, ???? Kevin.? KD5ONS - From k2asp at kanafi.org Sun Aug 26 20:47:47 2018 From: k2asp at kanafi.org (Phil Kane) Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2018 17:47:47 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [K2] Problem in setup for WSJT Message-ID: <43cb2469-235a-cdb1-4b87-7e645cd414c9@kanafi.org> Finally got it setup properly, with thanks to all who replied. I took the advice to try CAT control rather than "straight" PTT, but no go. After several rounds of trying and frustration over several days, I finally went back to "ground zero", and traced the CAT control cable from the rig to the serial port. Lo and behold, even though the Port List saved on the computer said that it should have been on COM5, it was in fact on COM 6. A newbie mistake even though I've been using that setup for 10 years! Changing the configuration entry to COM6 everything worked! And I did correct the Port List. Now to wait until they finish painting the building so I can put my antennas back up and get back on the air. Lots to learn about the new modes. 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane Elecraft K2/100 s/n 5402 (Same call since 1952) >From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon From rmcgraw at blomand.net Sun Aug 26 21:03:23 2018 From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX) Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2018 20:03:23 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] [K2] Problem in setup for WSJT In-Reply-To: <43cb2469-235a-cdb1-4b87-7e645cd414c9@kanafi.org> References: <43cb2469-235a-cdb1-4b87-7e645cd414c9@kanafi.org> Message-ID: <6524244B-FDF1-4C29-BD25-36DA89805D2F@blomand.net> Windows has a mind of its own. It assigns ports as and when needed. Once done it will keep it until something else changes. Just remember to check if it doesn't connect in the future. Bob, K4TAX Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 26, 2018, at 7:47 PM, Phil Kane wrote: > > Finally got it setup properly, with thanks to all who replied. I took > the advice to try CAT control rather than "straight" PTT, but no go. > After several rounds of trying and frustration over several days, I > finally went back to "ground zero", and traced the CAT control cable > from the rig to the serial port. Lo and behold, even though the Port > List saved on the computer said that it should have been on COM5, it was > in fact on COM 6. A newbie mistake even though I've been using that > setup for 10 years! Changing the configuration entry to COM6 everything > worked! And I did correct the Port List. > > Now to wait until they finish painting the building so I can put my > antennas back up and get back on the air. Lots to learn about the new modes. > > 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane > Elecraft K2/100 s/n 5402 > (Same call since 1952) > > From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest > Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to rmcgraw at blomand.net > From k3wjv at yahoo.com Mon Aug 27 01:35:05 2018 From: k3wjv at yahoo.com (Bill Stravinsky) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2018 05:35:05 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] Filter Recommendations In-Reply-To: <7f710b38-43e3-82e2-21ff-5b1a4b291508@embarqmail.com> References: <7f710b38-43e3-82e2-21ff-5b1a4b291508@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <1597551262.3606461.1535348105335@mail.yahoo.com> I opted for a 2.1 ssb filter hoping to be able to enjoy phone contesting just a little bit more but so far I haven't found the magic elixir for phone.I only replied to the post after seeing "information garbling" from Don.? That is exactly what happens to me with whatever filter or passbandsetting I have tried in my K3 during a phone contest.? Btw, that is during major DX contests, I can handle the smaller ones but normally don't, hi. BillK3WJV On Sunday, August 26, 2018, 9:53:41 AM EDT, Don Wilhelm wrote: Lee, The 2.8kHz filter has a flatter passband and steeper skirts than the 2.7kHz. But remember that this is a roofing filter, the DSP provides the actual filtering for the K3/K3S. The purpose of the roofing filter is to keep strong adjacent signals from overloading the Hardware AGC and the ADC at the input to the DSP circuits.? A strong signal that is inside the passband of the roofing filter, but outside the passband of the DSP filter (you may not hear that signal since it is outside the DSP filter) can cause receiver AGC "pumping" and in extreme cases can overload the ADC causing severe "information garbling". 73, Don W3FPR On 8/26/2018 8:45 AM, Lee Murrah via Elecraft wrote: > I am looking to upgrade my K3S with filters and am using the DX version of the radio as a guide.? What is the advantage of the 2.8 KHz filter over the stock 2.7?? What does the 2.1 KHz filter do for you? > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to donwilh at embarqmail.com > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to k3wjv at yahoo.com From nerevarthelord at gmail.com Mon Aug 27 04:47:22 2018 From: nerevarthelord at gmail.com (Ilya) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2018 11:47:22 +0300 Subject: [Elecraft] [K2] PLL reference test failure Message-ID: Hi Gentlemen! I'm in progress of assembling my first K2 #7837 and now I'm stuck with PLL reference oscillator test. Seems that I've already read all previous email threads regarding similar problems all over the internet - and nothing helped. When I just turn on my K2 after some time it's been off - I'm getting the following figures in PLL reference test (TP3): - Band + is 12099.1 khz - Band - is 12086.15 khz After some time (just a minute or so), the BAND+ value starts drifting down. Drifting slows down with time, but in 2-3 minutes I'm getting 12070 or smth like that. If I touch RIT/XIT knob - the value drops even lower - to 12055 or about that. I repeated the test for may be hundred times already - with fully assembled case, with/without top/bottom covers, etc. BAND- value never changes and is absolutely stable. If I then click BAND- and leave it for a few minutes, then click BAND+ again - drifting start over again from ~12090. Things only get better (BAND+ gets abt 12104 and keeps stable) when I connect DMM (voltage) between gnd and D16's cathode. I've already checked all solderings, RFC14, re-assembled thermistor board, checked voltages on U5/U6/D16/D17 - everything looks good to me. Thanks in advance for any ideas... With regards, Ilya, R3XA From donwilh at embarqmail.com Mon Aug 27 07:33:41 2018 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2018 07:33:41 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] [K2] PLL reference test failure In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <95dc6e06-1ab7-2a94-1cb7-2eac3cf2bc7b@embarqmail.com> Ilya, I am sorry you are having problems with the PLL Reference Oscillator. Yes, there have been several reports of this same failure. First try a small value capacitor (10 to 15pF) from the source of Q19 to ground. If that does not correct it, can you obtain a J310 FET locally? If so, replace Q19 with it. The problem seems to be that the J310 FETs in thru-hole format are fast disappearing from the market, and the last batch purchased by Elecraft does not operate well at the high frequency end of the PLL Reference Oscillator. I am currently testing the J309 as a possible replacement. The testing should be completed in the next few days. One ham with a similar problem wired an SMD J310 on the bottom of the board with good results - if you cannot find a thru-hole J310, you might consider that solution. 73, Don W3FPR On 8/27/2018 4:47 AM, Ilya wrote: > Hi Gentlemen! > > I'm in progress of assembling my first K2 #7837 and now I'm stuck with PLL > reference oscillator test. Seems that I've already read all previous email > threads regarding similar problems all over the internet - and nothing > helped. > > When I just turn on my K2 after some time it's been off - I'm getting the > following figures in PLL reference test (TP3): > - Band + is 12099.1 khz > - Band - is 12086.15 khz > > After some time (just a minute or so), the BAND+ value starts drifting > down. Drifting slows down with time, but in 2-3 minutes I'm getting 12070 > or smth like that. If I touch RIT/XIT knob - the value drops even lower - > to 12055 or about that. > From nerevarthelord at gmail.com Mon Aug 27 08:55:15 2018 From: nerevarthelord at gmail.com (Ilya) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2018 15:55:15 +0300 Subject: [Elecraft] [K2] PLL reference test failure In-Reply-To: <95dc6e06-1ab7-2a94-1cb7-2eac3cf2bc7b@embarqmail.com> References: <95dc6e06-1ab7-2a94-1cb7-2eac3cf2bc7b@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Don! 10pf cap seem to have fixed the problem. Thanks so much for your help! And also thanks for the information regarding J310s and J309s! Will be waiting for your testing results! 73! Ilya, R3XA 2018-08-27 14:33 GMT+03:00 Don Wilhelm : > Ilya, > > I am sorry you are having problems with the PLL Reference Oscillator. Yes, > there have been several reports of this same failure. > > First try a small value capacitor (10 to 15pF) from the source of Q19 to > ground. > > If that does not correct it, can you obtain a J310 FET locally? If so, > replace Q19 with it. > > The problem seems to be that the J310 FETs in thru-hole format are fast > disappearing from the market, and the last batch purchased by Elecraft does > not operate well at the high frequency end of the PLL Reference Oscillator. > I am currently testing the J309 as a possible replacement. The testing > should be completed in the next few days. > > One ham with a similar problem wired an SMD J310 on the bottom of the > board with good results - if you cannot find a thru-hole J310, you might > consider that solution. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > > On 8/27/2018 4:47 AM, Ilya wrote: > >> Hi Gentlemen! >> >> I'm in progress of assembling my first K2 #7837 and now I'm stuck with PLL >> reference oscillator test. Seems that I've already read all previous email >> threads regarding similar problems all over the internet - and nothing >> helped. >> >> When I just turn on my K2 after some time it's been off - I'm getting the >> following figures in PLL reference test (TP3): >> - Band + is 12099.1 khz >> - Band - is 12086.15 khz >> >> After some time (just a minute or so), the BAND+ value starts drifting >> down. Drifting slows down with time, but in 2-3 minutes I'm getting 12070 >> or smth like that. If I touch RIT/XIT knob - the value drops even lower - >> to 12055 or about that. >> >> -- best regards, from Ilya Semichastnov, R3XA ____________________ contact me: skype# ilyasemichastnov From lists at w2irt.net Mon Aug 27 10:55:53 2018 From: lists at w2irt.net (Peter W2IRT) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2018 10:55:53 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Filter Recommendations In-Reply-To: <1597551262.3606461.1535348105335@mail.yahoo.com> References: <7f710b38-43e3-82e2-21ff-5b1a4b291508@embarqmail.com> <1597551262.3606461.1535348105335@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00f001d43e16$0e133750$2a39a5f0$@net> I find the best thing for phone contesting is a ton of attenuation and judicious use of RF Gain, combined with narrow bandwidth. No way to get rid of the low-frequency rumble from within the passband, but the combination of the roofing filter, DSP high cut and shift/width will get rid of the high-pitched adjacent noise enough to be reasonably efficient. I still don't like SSB contests, but they're far more survivable with a loaded K3s than they were with previous radios! --------------------------------------------- GO FRC! Peter, W2IRT www.facebook.com/W2IRT -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Bill Stravinsky via Elecraft Sent: Monday, August 27, 2018 1:35 AM To: Elecraft Reflector Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Filter Recommendations I opted for a 2.1 ssb filter hoping to be able to enjoy phone contesting just a little bit more but so far I haven't found the magic elixir for phone.I only replied to the post after seeing "information garbling" from Don. That is exactly what happens to me with whatever filter or passbandsetting I have tried in my K3 during a phone contest. Btw, that is during major DX contests, I can handle the smaller ones but normally don't, hi. BillK3WJV On Sunday, August 26, 2018, 9:53:41 AM EDT, Don Wilhelm wrote: Lee, The 2.8kHz filter has a flatter passband and steeper skirts than the 2.7kHz. But remember that this is a roofing filter, the DSP provides the actual filtering for the K3/K3S. The purpose of the roofing filter is to keep strong adjacent signals from overloading the Hardware AGC and the ADC at the input to the DSP circuits. A strong signal that is inside the passband of the roofing filter, but outside the passband of the DSP filter (you may not hear that signal since it is outside the DSP filter) can cause receiver AGC "pumping" and in extreme cases can overload the ADC causing severe "information garbling". 73, Don W3FPR On 8/26/2018 8:45 AM, Lee Murrah via Elecraft wrote: > I am looking to upgrade my K3S with filters and am using the DX version of the radio as a guide. What is the advantage of the 2.8 KHz filter over the stock 2.7? What does the 2.1 KHz filter do for you? > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to donwilh at embarqmail.com > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to k3wjv at yahoo.com ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to lists at w2irt.net From n8sbe at arrl.net Mon Aug 27 12:18:46 2018 From: n8sbe at arrl.net (Dave New, N8SBE) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2018 09:18:46 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] KX2/KX3 operating tip: Creating a CW "sound stage" using AFX PITCH mode Message-ID: <20180827091846.1fa1e31b6b6b329ecc65be958babcc1f.9cdaddbb53.wbe@email09.godaddy.com> Wayne, It would really be nice to be able to reverse the sense. That way, as one tunes 'up the band', new signals appearing 'on the right' (higher in frequency, but not necessarily in audio pitch, depending on sideband setting) would appear in the right ear, and would slide to the left based on the tuning speed. In other words, instead of statically mapping low-to-high audio to left-to-right ears, allow the user to reverse the mapping, so that it matches the tuning 'sense'. 73, -- Dave, N8SBE From mail at cvkimball.com Mon Aug 27 12:38:21 2018 From: mail at cvkimball.com (Chris Kimball) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2018 09:38:21 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] K2 S-meter adjustment Message-ID: <1535387901143-0.post@n2.nabble.com> Just took out the old K2 from storage and it works great, perhaps better than my memory of how to us it! Seems like the S-meter is insensitive. With the Preamp on the meter works as expected, but otherwise no indication at all, even for signals with very good S/N. Is there an adjustment or parameter change to make the S-meter more sensitive? Thanks, Chris NQ8Z -- Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ From hs0zed at gmail.com Mon Aug 27 12:48:05 2018 From: hs0zed at gmail.com (Martin Sole) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2018 23:48:05 +0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K2 S-meter adjustment In-Reply-To: <1535387901143-0.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1535387901143-0.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: Did you check the S meter calibration in the menu? It could also be the age setting has moved a bit, I find mine is quite sensitive to that. Martin, HS0ZED Sent from my iPhone > On 27 Aug 2018, at 23:38, Chris Kimball wrote: > > Just took out the old K2 from storage and it works great, perhaps better than > my memory of how to us it! > > Seems like the S-meter is insensitive. With the Preamp on the meter works > as expected, but otherwise no indication at all, even for signals with very > good S/N. > > Is there an adjustment or parameter change to make the S-meter more > sensitive? > > Thanks, > > Chris > > NQ8Z > > > > -- > Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to hs0zed at gmail.com From ve3uvt at gmail.com Mon Aug 27 12:54:57 2018 From: ve3uvt at gmail.com (Chris) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2018 12:54:57 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] WTB K2 QRP cover Message-ID: I am looking for a QRP cover for K2. If you have one available, please respond off list with price shipped to me in Franklin MA 02038. No options needed. Thanks. Chris AD1AD From rmcgraw at blomand.net Mon Aug 27 13:01:17 2018 From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2018 12:01:17 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Filter Recommendations In-Reply-To: <00f001d43e16$0e133750$2a39a5f0$@net> References: <7f710b38-43e3-82e2-21ff-5b1a4b291508@embarqmail.com> <1597551262.3606461.1535348105335@mail.yahoo.com> <00f001d43e16$0e133750$2a39a5f0$@net> Message-ID: I agree with Peter in that many hams use too much RX RF Gain and too little attenuation.??? Per one authority on receiver performance, the optimum receiver performance occurs when the no signal band noise is about 10 dB above the receiver noise floor. Since we can't adjust the receiver noise floor, we can adjust the overall signal coming into the receiver by using attenuation and RF gain reduction.? Typically, 160M - 40M one should expect to run 15 dB to 10 dB attenuation unless you are in a super low noise receiving environment.? For higher frequency bands, less attenuation and more RF gain is found to be desired.?? Still maintaining the 10 dB practice regardless of band and antenna and band noise. As example; if your no signal band noise is S-5 or -97 dBm and the receiver noise floor is -130 dBm,? thus a difference of 33 dB, then the optimum performance will occur with about 15 dB attenuation and 6 to 8 dB of RF gain reduction. ? Or? use 10 dB of attenuation and 12 to 13 dB of RF gain reduction. ? ? It will vary from band to band and antenna to antenna but will generally be stable across the band for a short period of time,? i.e. several hours considering atmospheric activity.? Once applied,? you will find signals will pop out of the noise.??? Many hams believe attenuation is used solely to prevent receiver overload. Attenuation can be utilized for a more effective means as well. 73 Bob, K4TAX On 8/27/2018 9:55 AM, Peter W2IRT wrote: > I find the best thing for phone contesting is a ton of attenuation and judicious use of RF Gain, combined with narrow bandwidth. No way to get rid of the low-frequency rumble from within the passband, but the combination of the roofing filter, DSP high cut and shift/width will get rid of the high-pitched adjacent noise enough to be reasonably efficient. I still don't like SSB contests, but they're far more survivable with a loaded K3s than they were with previous radios! > > --------------------------------------------- > GO FRC! > Peter, W2IRT > > www.facebook.com/W2IRT > > From donwilh at embarqmail.com Mon Aug 27 13:18:14 2018 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2018 13:18:14 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K2 S-meter adjustment In-Reply-To: <1535387901143-0.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1535387901143-0.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <01d48ab6-7665-cd29-b509-cc2b95036d57@embarqmail.com> Chris, On older K2s, there is no adjustment for AGC Threshold kike is found with the newer ones which have a pot to set the AGC Threshold. R1 on the control board - which is normally adjusted to produce 3.8 volts at CB U2 pin 5. You can always set the CAL S LO menu parameter and CAL S HI to produce no bars with no signal and an S-9 indication with an S9 signal. The latter is normally set with the preamp turned on, but preamp off can also be used. We are in a sunspot low, so signals may not be as strong right now, particularly on the bands above 30 meters. 73, Don W3FPR On 8/27/2018 12:38 PM, Chris Kimball wrote: > Just took out the old K2 from storage and it works great, perhaps better than > my memory of how to us it! > > Seems like the S-meter is insensitive. With the Preamp on the meter works > as expected, but otherwise no indication at all, even for signals with very > good S/N. > > Is there an adjustment or parameter change to make the S-meter more > sensitive? > > Thanks, > > Chris > > NQ8Z > > > > -- > Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to donwilh at embarqmail.com > From billclarke at nycap.rr.com Mon Aug 27 13:32:58 2018 From: billclarke at nycap.rr.com (Bill) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2018 13:32:58 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] New speaker box for the shack Message-ID: <412987f7-6f3c-cd3c-5bd4-3a0e764181b7@nycap.rr.com> I have decided to get away from the Behringer amplified speakers and build a box with a Lanzar subwoofer (6.5 inch - 105 to 12k - 94 db sensitivity - 8 Ohm) for HF and several 3" speakers for the assorted VHF/scanners etc.. The box will be sealed and I may partition the smaller speakers into their own compartment. For the smaller speakers, I am looking at the 3" DROK (15W - 108 to 20k - 8 Ohm - 90db sensitivity) - although I an not above using something cheaper (due to their planned usage). Nothing fancy for the entire project. The primary speaker will be switched between the K3 and another rig, as needed. Both rigs are recent and are loaded with EQs etc. If I run into a hiss problem, I should be able to eliminate it by using a condenser or two across the inputs to knock out offending highs. The initial reason for the Behringers was to remove offending hiss, which they do well. Now, I am looking for a simplier solution - with less controls and less wires. Hence, a single speaker box for everything. Needless to say, I do have a good shop. My K3 does not have a second RX and never will. I rag chew - no DX or contesting. I have avoided the metal box speakers from the various big names (IKY) - too expensive for that they are and I do need matching anything. Suggestions and comments would be most welcome. Thanks, Bill W2BLC From jimk0xu at gmail.com Mon Aug 27 13:36:49 2018 From: jimk0xu at gmail.com (Jim Rhodes) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2018 12:36:49 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KX2/KX3 operating tip: Creating a CW "sound stage" using AFX PITCH mode In-Reply-To: <20180827091846.1fa1e31b6b6b329ecc65be958babcc1f.9cdaddbb53.wbe@email09.godaddy.com> References: <20180827091846.1fa1e31b6b6b329ecc65be958babcc1f.9cdaddbb53.wbe@email09.godaddy.com> Message-ID: A simple DPDT switch should take care of that easily. Unless I don't understand the tech here (hear?). On Mon, Aug 27, 2018 at 11:20 AM Dave New, N8SBE wrote: > Wayne, > > It would really be nice to be able to reverse the sense. > > That way, as one tunes 'up the band', new signals appearing 'on the > right' (higher in frequency, but not necessarily in audio pitch, > depending on sideband setting) would appear in the right ear, and would > slide to the left based on the tuning speed. > > In other words, instead of statically mapping low-to-high audio to > left-to-right ears, allow the user to reverse the mapping, so that it > matches the tuning 'sense'. > > 73, > > -- Dave, N8SBE > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to jimk0xu at gmail.com > -- Jim K0XU jim at rhodesend.net From mail at cvkimball.com Mon Aug 27 14:13:03 2018 From: mail at cvkimball.com (Chris Kimball) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2018 11:13:03 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] K2 S-meter adjustment In-Reply-To: <01d48ab6-7665-cd29-b509-cc2b95036d57@embarqmail.com> References: <1535387901143-0.post@n2.nabble.com> <01d48ab6-7665-cd29-b509-cc2b95036d57@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <1535393583844-0.post@n2.nabble.com> Thanks to Martin and Don. Yep, the age setting had mysteriously advanced while in storage. I had forgotten about the CAL submenu. Messing with the settings got me some more reasonable S-meter action. Apparently the S LO should be greater than S HI in normal operation. Best wishes, Chris NQ8Z -- Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ From rmcgraw at blomand.net Mon Aug 27 14:25:09 2018 From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2018 13:25:09 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] KX2/KX3 operating tip: Creating a CW "sound stage" using AFX PITCH mode In-Reply-To: References: <20180827091846.1fa1e31b6b6b329ecc65be958babcc1f.9cdaddbb53.wbe@email09.godaddy.com> Message-ID: Wouldn't taking the headphones off, rotating them 180 degrees and put them back on do the trick?? That way left would be right and right would be left. Guess I'm too dense to understand the acoustic phenomenon. 73 Bob, K4TAX On 8/27/2018 12:36 PM, Jim Rhodes wrote: > A simple DPDT switch should take care of that easily. Unless I don't > understand the tech here (hear?). > > On Mon, Aug 27, 2018 at 11:20 AM Dave New, N8SBE wrote: > >> Wayne, >> >> It would really be nice to be able to reverse the sense. >> >> That way, as one tunes 'up the band', new signals appearing 'on the >> right' (higher in frequency, but not necessarily in audio pitch, >> depending on sideband setting) would appear in the right ear, and would >> slide to the left based on the tuning speed. >> >> In other words, instead of statically mapping low-to-high audio to >> left-to-right ears, allow the user to reverse the mapping, so that it >> matches the tuning 'sense'. >> >> 73, >> >> -- Dave, N8SBE >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to jimk0xu at gmail.com >> > From lists at w2irt.net Mon Aug 27 14:47:31 2018 From: lists at w2irt.net (Peter W2IRT) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2018 14:47:31 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX2/KX3 operating tip: Creating a CW "sound stage" using AFX PITCH mode In-Reply-To: References: <20180827091846.1fa1e31b6b6b329ecc65be958babcc1f.9cdaddbb53.wbe@email09.godaddy.com> Message-ID: <000c01d43e36$6a86c400$3f944c00$@net> Think of it this way. Let's say that your default CW note tone is 500 Hz. When you're zero-beat with someone at 500Hz they're "right in the middle" of your ears. Equal signal left and right. A 750 Hz tone would appear in your right ear, and a 350 Hz tone in your left. As you move the VFO from where you are, tuning "up" the band, that 750 Hz tone would "slide across your head" to the left, and when you zero beat it, it's right in the middle. If you keep tuning in that same direction, that same signal would start to favor the left ear, and below a pre-set threshold, would appear only in your left ear. I'd gladly pay to have what the OP is asking for as well. - pjd -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Bob McGraw K4TAX Sent: Monday, August 27, 2018 2:25 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX2/KX3 operating tip: Creating a CW "sound stage" using AFX PITCH mode Wouldn't taking the headphones off, rotating them 180 degrees and put them back on do the trick? That way left would be right and right would be left. Guess I'm too dense to understand the acoustic phenomenon. 73 Bob, K4TAX On 8/27/2018 12:36 PM, Jim Rhodes wrote: > A simple DPDT switch should take care of that easily. Unless I don't > understand the tech here (hear?). > > On Mon, Aug 27, 2018 at 11:20 AM Dave New, N8SBE wrote: > >> Wayne, >> >> It would really be nice to be able to reverse the sense. >> >> That way, as one tunes 'up the band', new signals appearing 'on the >> right' (higher in frequency, but not necessarily in audio pitch, >> depending on sideband setting) would appear in the right ear, and would >> slide to the left based on the tuning speed. >> >> In other words, instead of statically mapping low-to-high audio to >> left-to-right ears, allow the user to reverse the mapping, so that it >> matches the tuning 'sense'. >> >> 73, >> >> -- Dave, N8SBE >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to jimk0xu at gmail.com >> > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to lists at w2irt.net From donwilh at embarqmail.com Mon Aug 27 14:53:51 2018 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2018 14:53:51 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K2 S-meter adjustment In-Reply-To: <1535393583844-0.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1535387901143-0.post@n2.nabble.com> <01d48ab6-7665-cd29-b509-cc2b95036d57@embarqmail.com> <1535393583844-0.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <339871ce-d22e-101a-8279-3be8eab2ee5b@embarqmail.com> Chris, The CAL S LO and CAL S HI values are as you observed. Turn the RF Gain to full clockwise, and remove the antenna. Turn the preamp on. Adjust CAL S LO first so there are no bargraph LEDs illuminated. Then tune in an S-9 signal (preamp on or off, your choice), and adjust cal S HI for an S-9 indication in the bargraph. Usually that value will be between 23 and 19. 73, Don W3FPR On 8/27/2018 2:13 PM, Chris Kimball wrote: > Thanks to Martin and Don. > > Yep, the age setting had mysteriously advanced while in storage. > > I had forgotten about the CAL submenu. Messing with the settings got me > some more reasonable S-meter action. Apparently the S LO should be greater > than S HI in normal operation. From donwilh at embarqmail.com Mon Aug 27 14:57:19 2018 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2018 14:57:19 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX2/KX3 operating tip: Creating a CW "sound stage" using AFX PITCH mode In-Reply-To: <000c01d43e36$6a86c400$3f944c00$@net> References: <20180827091846.1fa1e31b6b6b329ecc65be958babcc1f.9cdaddbb53.wbe@email09.godaddy.com> <000c01d43e36$6a86c400$3f944c00$@net> Message-ID: <1e9e0cfb-1c79-bec8-5874-c3da39a2beb2@embarqmail.com> Another complicating factor is whether you are listening in CW or CW reverse. I would think that the DPDT switch would be the best solution. 73, Don W3FPR On 8/27/2018 2:47 PM, Peter W2IRT wrote: > Think of it this way. Let's say that your default CW note tone is 500 Hz. When you're zero-beat with someone at 500Hz they're "right in the middle" of your ears. Equal signal left and right. A 750 Hz tone would appear in your right ear, and a 350 Hz tone in your left. As you move the VFO from where you are, tuning "up" the band, that 750 Hz tone would "slide across your head" to the left, and when you zero beat it, it's right in the middle. If you keep tuning in that same direction, that same signal would start to favor the left ear, and below a pre-set threshold, would appear only in your left ear. From nr4c at widomaker.com Mon Aug 27 19:38:58 2018 From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2018 19:38:58 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KX2/KX3 operating tip: Creating a CW "sound stage" using AFX PITCH mode In-Reply-To: References: <20180827091846.1fa1e31b6b6b329ecc65be958babcc1f.9cdaddbb53.wbe@email09.godaddy.com> Message-ID: CW REV???? Sent from my iPhone ...nr4c. bill > On Aug 27, 2018, at 2:25 PM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote: > > Wouldn't taking the headphones off, rotating them 180 degrees and put them back on do the trick? That way left would be right and right would be left. > > Guess I'm too dense to understand the acoustic phenomenon. > > 73 > Bob, K4TAX > > > >> On 8/27/2018 12:36 PM, Jim Rhodes wrote: >> A simple DPDT switch should take care of that easily. Unless I don't >> understand the tech here (hear?). >> >>> On Mon, Aug 27, 2018 at 11:20 AM Dave New, N8SBE wrote: >>> >>> Wayne, >>> >>> It would really be nice to be able to reverse the sense. >>> >>> That way, as one tunes 'up the band', new signals appearing 'on the >>> right' (higher in frequency, but not necessarily in audio pitch, >>> depending on sideband setting) would appear in the right ear, and would >>> slide to the left based on the tuning speed. >>> >>> In other words, instead of statically mapping low-to-high audio to >>> left-to-right ears, allow the user to reverse the mapping, so that it >>> matches the tuning 'sense'. >>> >>> 73, >>> >>> -- Dave, N8SBE >>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to jimk0xu at gmail.com >>> >> > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to nr4c at widomaker.com From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Mon Aug 27 20:22:37 2018 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2018 17:22:37 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] New speaker box for the shack In-Reply-To: <412987f7-6f3c-cd3c-5bd4-3a0e764181b7@nycap.rr.com> References: <412987f7-6f3c-cd3c-5bd4-3a0e764181b7@nycap.rr.com> Message-ID: <05ed9ca0-e15c-f8e5-90b9-b7a47fdeae78@audiosystemsgroup.com> On 8/27/2018 10:32 AM, Bill wrote: > Suggestions and comments would be most welcome. Here's an excellent small 2-way that I often specified for the sound systems I designed. https://www.rcf.it/en_US//products/installed-sound/monitor-series In case the link gets mangled, it's an RCF MR55, and the link is to Full Compass (Madison, WI) where I buy small audio products. It's a family-run biz that I competed with 30+ years ago. RCF is an Italian company. https://www.fullcompass.com/prod/129516-rcf-mr-55-mr-55?gclid=CjwKCAjwwo7cBRBwEiwAMEoXPAzNCDsvtZnB0CacFemyRkQfI_sz9AmBMe6ZXkpxNUWFbJDUVb31ZxoCEuQQAvD_BwE This photo shows a row of them installed in the VIP Suite at Northwestern University's Dyche Stadium (very high, white with white mounting brackets). These are very accurate, very efficient loudspeakers, which means that the K3 can drive them directly. This stadium is in Evanston, IL, which can get chilly during football season, so the VIP suite is fully enclosed. These are NOT paging or "PA" speakers -- they are fed A/B stereo from a spaced pair of mics that picks up the crowd, so that the VIPs feel that they're part of the action. To accomplish the very natural sound of the crowd, these speakers had to be very accurate. 73, Jim K9YC From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Mon Aug 27 20:25:39 2018 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2018 17:25:39 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] New speaker box for the shack In-Reply-To: <412987f7-6f3c-cd3c-5bd4-3a0e764181b7@nycap.rr.com> References: <412987f7-6f3c-cd3c-5bd4-3a0e764181b7@nycap.rr.com> Message-ID: <48191652-cab6-1eb2-4b24-cb03e930f85c@audiosystemsgroup.com> Forgot link to the stadium photo. :)??? k9yc.com/ryanVIPc.jpg 73, Jim K9YC From n6tv at arrl.net Mon Aug 27 21:34:07 2018 From: n6tv at arrl.net (Bob Wilson, N6TV) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2018 18:34:07 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Limited time Labor Day Special - Free Shipping for all domestic S-BOX and Y-BOX orders Message-ID: All S-BOX and Y-BOX orders received by midnight Pacific Time on Labor Day ( 2018-09-04 07:00 UTC) will qualify for *free domestic shipping via USPS Priority Mail*. Limit: 4 boxes per customer and as many cables as will fit in the same box. International orders received by the deadline will qualify for *discounted* International USPS shipping (discounted by same dollar amount as equivalent domestic Priority Mail shipping). The *S-BOX* and *S-BOX-USB* are passive *serial port* splitters that make it easy to connect multiple devices to *any* compatible transceiver with a serial port. When connected through the S-BOX, every device can follow the transceiver frequency, automatically changing bands and/or retuning. "Devices" include: 1. Elecraft KPA500, KPA1500 amplifiers 2. ACOM 2000A (with new RCU), 600S, and A1200S amplifiers 3. SPE Expert amplifiers (all models) 4. Elecraft KAT500 Tuner 5. SteppIR SDA 100 and SDA 2000 antenna controllers 6. Elecraft KRC2 band decoder 7. Array Solutions RatMaster band decoder 8. Hamation SM-8 ShackMaster band decoder 9. 4O3A Interface Genius band decoder 10. RFSpace SDR-IQ receiver The S-BOX also includes four independent keying circuits to provide CW, FSK, and PTT to a transceiver via logging software. A keying circuit can also be used to remotely power up an Elecraft K3, K3S, KPA500, or KPA1500 using RemoteHams RCForb. The *Y-BOX* looks similar, but it is not the same as the S-BOX. The main purpose of the Y-BOX is to eliminate a tangle of 15-pin Y-Cable connections when you have multiple devices that all need to connect to the K3/K3S 15-pin *ACC port*, including: 1. KAT500 / KPA500 / KPA1500 AUX cable 2. Top Ten Band Decoder 3. FSK keying interface 4. SO2R box 5. Remote Rig Interface The Y-BOX can replace the KPAK3AUX cable kit. Using the Y-BOX instead of the cable, a K3 macro can power a KPA500 or KPA1500 on or off (this does not work an unmodified KPAK3AUX cable). The Y-BOX also provides a very convenient way to connect the SteppIR Tuning Relay Interrupt option, which prevents damage to a SteppIR antenna from excessive power while it is tuning. For photos, wiring details, and the order link, please visit the web sites below. Order any time before midnight PT Monday to receive free domestic USPS Priority Mail shipping: https://bit.ly/S-BOX https://bit.ly/Y-BOX Thanks, and Happy Labor Day! 73, Bob, N6TV From n6tv at arrl.net Mon Aug 27 21:59:44 2018 From: n6tv at arrl.net (Bob Wilson, N6TV) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2018 18:59:44 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Limited time Labor Day Special - Free Shipping for all domestic S-BOX and Y-BOX orders In-Reply-To: <4E483487-0663-4857-B664-E6BC866C06F3@zoominternet.net> References: <4E483487-0663-4857-B664-E6BC866C06F3@zoominternet.net> Message-ID: Sorry the server certificate just expired. The server owner has been contacted. It is safe to proceed to the web site. 73, Bob, N6TV On Mon, Aug 27, 2018 at 6:57 PM, WW3S wrote: > Hi Bob.....just a FYI, in case someone else didn?t mention it, your web > certificate expired, all sorts of security warnings when I click on the > link.... > > Sent from my iPad From rc.kc5wa at gmail.com Mon Aug 27 22:39:40 2018 From: rc.kc5wa at gmail.com (Robert 'RC' Conley) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2018 21:39:40 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K2 OPTIONS Message-ID: SOLD PENDING FUNDS Thanks All 73 -- The Morse be with you....Live Long and Prosper.... From donwilh at embarqmail.com Mon Aug 27 23:02:04 2018 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2018 23:02:04 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Filter Recommendations In-Reply-To: References: <7f710b38-43e3-82e2-21ff-5b1a4b291508@embarqmail.com> <1597551262.3606461.1535348105335@mail.yahoo.com> <00f001d43e16$0e133750$2a39a5f0$@net> Message-ID: <5312b261-d986-565c-c80e-3a8966f78733@embarqmail.com> Many hams equate no signal band noise to receiver sensitivity. Nothing could be further from the truth. Bob has pointed out some very good guidelines. For those who do not want to play with the RF Gain to simplify things, the attenuation and preamp settings will still do a great deal to help. Listen to a no-signal spot on the band. Listening to the noise level, try attenuation first - if you can still hear the band noise, leave it there. On bands where the receiver seems silent, first turn off attenuation, and if you do not hear band noise at a low level, turn on some preamplification. When you can just barely hear the no-signal band noise, signals will tend to pop out of the noise. Just a note - the KX2 and KX3 design point is to always have the preamp on for the best front end "out of passband" protection. SDR receivers are different animals and may change our habits with using the receiver controls in the future. Attenuation is still effective. 73, Don W3FPR On 8/27/2018 1:01 PM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote: > I agree with Peter in that many hams use too much RX RF Gain and too > little attenuation.??? Per one authority on receiver performance, the > optimum receiver performance occurs when the no signal band noise is > about 10 dB above the receiver noise floor. Since we can't adjust the > receiver noise floor, we can adjust the overall signal coming into the > receiver by using attenuation and RF gain reduction.? Typically, 160M - > 40M one should expect to run 15 dB to 10 dB attenuation unless you are > in a super low noise receiving environment.? For higher frequency bands, > less attenuation and more RF gain is found to be desired.?? Still > maintaining the 10 dB practice regardless of band and antenna and band > noise. > > As example; if your no signal band noise is S-5 or -97 dBm and the > receiver noise floor is -130 dBm,? thus a difference of 33 dB, then the > optimum performance will occur with about 15 dB attenuation and 6 to 8 > dB of RF gain reduction. ? Or? use 10 dB of attenuation and 12 to 13 dB > of RF gain reduction. ? ? It will vary from band to band and antenna to > antenna but will generally be stable across the band for a short period > of time,? i.e. several hours considering atmospheric activity.? Once > applied,? you will find signals will pop out of the noise.??? Many hams > believe attenuation is used solely to prevent receiver overload. > Attenuation can be utilized for a more effective means as well. From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com Tue Aug 28 00:06:13 2018 From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2018 21:06:13 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Filter Recommendations In-Reply-To: References: <7f710b38-43e3-82e2-21ff-5b1a4b291508@embarqmail.com> <1597551262.3606461.1535348105335@mail.yahoo.com> <00f001d43e16$0e133750$2a39a5f0$@net> Message-ID: <9c01cce9-5c10-1e90-c1df-aa0a70b21494@audiosystemsgroup.com> On 8/27/2018 10:01 AM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote: > Per one authority on receiver performance, the optimum receiver > performance occurs when the no signal band noise is about 10 dB above > the receiver noise floor. Not quite -- when the noise from the antenna is 10 dB above the receiver noise, the combined noise is fractional dB greater than the antenna noise alone. As the ratio increases (13 dB from the antenna, for example), that fractional dB becomes even smaller. A common misunderstanding is that 1 dB is the smallest change in loudness that average listeners can hear, but the ear is FAR more sensitive to differences between signal and noise at low signal to noise ratios, so fractional dB improvements can make the difference between no copy and just enough to get the rare DX in the log. :) Another manifestation of this is mixing multiple mics that pick up the various parts of a band or orchestra. Anyone who's done much live mixing will tell you that when the balance relative to the rest of the band of a vocal or instrument is not quite right, the volume slider for the mic in question rarely needs to move more than a dB or two. In other words, the ear-brain is far more sensitive to differences between sounds than to absolute loudness of the combination of the sounds it hears. 73, Jim K9YC From k9yeq at live.com Tue Aug 28 00:13:12 2018 From: k9yeq at live.com (Bill Johnson) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2018 04:13:12 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Filter Recommendations In-Reply-To: <5312b261-d986-565c-c80e-3a8966f78733@embarqmail.com> References: <7f710b38-43e3-82e2-21ff-5b1a4b291508@embarqmail.com> <1597551262.3606461.1535348105335@mail.yahoo.com> <00f001d43e16$0e133750$2a39a5f0$@net> <5312b261-d986-565c-c80e-3a8966f78733@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: Don, Great reminder. I follow your suggestions, to a fault. In the long past not so much but the quality of the Elecraft equipment changed my practices going back to the K2. 73, Bill K9YEQ https://wrj-tech.com/ -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of Don Wilhelm Sent: Monday, August 27, 2018 10:02 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Filter Recommendations Many hams equate no signal band noise to receiver sensitivity. Nothing could be further from the truth. Bob has pointed out some very good guidelines. For those who do not want to play with the RF Gain to simplify things, the attenuation and preamp settings will still do a great deal to help. Listen to a no-signal spot on the band. Listening to the noise level, try attenuation first - if you can still hear the band noise, leave it there. On bands where the receiver seems silent, first turn off attenuation, and if you do not hear band noise at a low level, turn on some preamplification. When you can just barely hear the no-signal band noise, signals will tend to pop out of the noise. Just a note - the KX2 and KX3 design point is to always have the preamp on for the best front end "out of passband" protection. SDR receivers are different animals and may change our habits with using the receiver controls in the future. Attenuation is still effective. 73, Don W3FPR On 8/27/2018 1:01 PM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote: > I agree with Peter in that many hams use too much RX RF Gain and too > little attenuation.??? Per one authority on receiver performance, the > optimum receiver performance occurs when the no signal band noise is > about 10 dB above the receiver noise floor. Since we can't adjust the > receiver noise floor, we can adjust the overall signal coming into the > receiver by using attenuation and RF gain reduction.? Typically, 160M > - 40M one should expect to run 15 dB to 10 dB attenuation unless you > are in a super low noise receiving environment.? For higher frequency > bands, less attenuation and more RF gain is found to be desired.?? > Still maintaining the 10 dB practice regardless of band and antenna > and band noise. > > As example; if your no signal band noise is S-5 or -97 dBm and the > receiver noise floor is -130 dBm,? thus a difference of 33 dB, then > the optimum performance will occur with about 15 dB attenuation and 6 > to 8 dB of RF gain reduction. ? Or? use 10 dB of attenuation and 12 to > 13 dB of RF gain reduction. ? ? It will vary from band to band and > antenna to antenna but will generally be stable across the band for a > short period of time,? i.e. several hours considering atmospheric > activity.? Once applied,? you will find signals will pop out of the > noise.??? Many hams believe attenuation is used solely to prevent receiver overload. > Attenuation can be utilized for a more effective means as well. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to k9yeq at live.com From glcazzola at alice.it Tue Aug 28 04:51:58 2018 From: glcazzola at alice.it (IK4EWX) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2018 01:51:58 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] K-POD labels Message-ID: <1535446318860-0.post@n2.nabble.com> Somebody has well solved the problem of labeling clearly the F-Keys on the K-POD? How? I am interested to use a clean and clear way of labelling the K-Pod commands. Thanks. Ian - IK4EWX -- Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ From ns9i at bayland.net Tue Aug 28 06:40:00 2018 From: ns9i at bayland.net (dgb) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2018 05:40:00 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K-POD labels In-Reply-To: <1535446318860-0.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1535446318860-0.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <4d63cd34-d63a-2456-12be-ad59b42d7b6c@bayland.net> I used the adhesive backed 12mm wide tape from an old Brother P-Touch on small print which is about 1/8 of an inch. I then cut them down to about 3/16 width by 2-1/2" long. I put one on each side of each row of F keys. It's the same tape I use for labeling all the cables in the shack. 73 Dwight NS9I On 8/28/2018 3:51 AM, IK4EWX wrote: > Somebody has well solved the problem of labeling clearly the F-Keys on the > K-POD? > How? > I am interested to use a clean and clear way of labelling the K-Pod > commands. > Thanks. > Ian - IK4EWX > > > > -- > Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to ns9i at bayland.net > > From w9ac at arrl.net Tue Aug 28 08:03:01 2018 From: w9ac at arrl.net (Paul Christensen) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2018 08:03:01 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 Remote Program Message-ID: <003401d43ec7$12050580$360f1080$@arrl.net> Has anyone on the list been successful in remoting their KPA1500 over the Internet using either USB or Ethernet server mode? I've tried both modes, and no-go. Just getting either host server mode up and active at the remote site takes perhaps ten tries to finally connect. However, to date I've not had one successful connection to the KPA1500 over the Internet. *Local* connectivity using either mode does work, but it's not stable. The remote site I share with N4CC has extensive remote networking capabilities. I'm confident that the network is provisioned correctly, including port-forwarding assignments. Paul, W9AC From tim at sy-edm.com Tue Aug 28 09:32:49 2018 From: tim at sy-edm.com (a45wg) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2018 21:32:49 +0800 Subject: [Elecraft] Anyone here in VR2 ? Message-ID: <7C61A101-9E5C-4E1F-95D6-4A08A00F5EC0@sy-edm.com> Fellow Elecrafters, Is there anyone on the list living in VR2 ? If so could you contact me off-list please. Thanks Tim, Sheung Wan. Hk. From k4wi at k4wi.net Tue Aug 28 13:30:17 2018 From: k4wi at k4wi.net (Courtney Judd) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2018 12:30:17 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] update Message-ID: <5B8586A9.1040900@k4wi.net> I am posting this as an update and recommendation on how I got all my electronics playing correctly together. I recently bought a new Elecraft KPA1500 amplifier and wanted it to work seamlessly with my FTdx5000 and microHam Keyer 2. Just not enough serial ports to go around; thought I could fix up some work arounds but just didn't work. Then I found the S-BOX by N6TV.... Bob has this remarkable device available.... looked at it and bought it with the correct cables.... plug and play. Now the amp and tuner follow the radio correctly and the Keyer 2 does it's thing with DX4WIN and Writelog. The S-BOX works as advertised, is a quality product and Bob is there for any help! Show me as a happy camper. If you have any interest check this out: The *S-BOX* and *S-BOX-USB* are passive *serial port* splitters that make it easy to connect multiple devices to *any* compatible transceiver with a serial port. When connected through the S-BOX, every device can follow the transceiver frequency, automatically changing bands and/or retuning. Feel free to ask any questions of me that you might have or Bob can put you on the right path for sure! 73's Cort K4WI From lists at subich.com Tue Aug 28 14:52:41 2018 From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2018 14:52:41 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] update In-Reply-To: <5B8586A9.1040900@k4wi.net> References: <5B8586A9.1040900@k4wi.net> Message-ID: <94667e5c-3ebf-45e9-81e6-582e80694353@subich.com> The S-Box is completely unnecessary ... Configure the KPA-1500 to work with an *ICOM* transceiver (CI-V data) and configure MK II to output CI-V data on the *AUX CI-V* jack (rear panel). The concept is identical to use of an Icom PW1 amplifier with MK II as described in the application note "Using the Icom PW-1" on the support page at www.microHAM-USA.com/Support.html. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 2018-08-28 1:30 PM, Courtney Judd wrote: > I am posting this as an update and recommendation on how I got all my > electronics playing correctly together. I recently bought a new Elecraft > KPA1500 amplifier and wanted it to work seamlessly with my FTdx5000 and > microHam Keyer 2. Just not enough serial ports to go around; thought I > could fix up some work arounds but just didn't work. Then I found the > S-BOX by N6TV.... Bob has this remarkable device available.... looked at > it and bought it with the correct cables.... plug and play. Now the amp > and tuner follow the radio correctly and the Keyer 2 does it's thing > with DX4WIN and Writelog. The S-BOX works as advertised, is a quality > product and Bob is there for any help! Show me as a happy camper. If you > have any interest check this out: > > The *S-BOX* and *S-BOX-USB* are passive *serial > port* > splitters that make it easy to connect multiple devices to *any* compatible > transceiver with a serial port.? When connected through the S-BOX, every > device can follow the transceiver frequency, automatically changing bands > and/or retuning. > > Feel free to ask any questions of me that you might have or Bob can put > you on the right path for sure! 73's Cort K4WI > From k6dgw at foothill.net Tue Aug 28 15:23:05 2018 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2018 12:23:05 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K-POD labels In-Reply-To: <1535446318860-0.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1535446318860-0.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: I made my labels on my P-Touch label machine [identical to the Brother machine] that prints on white adhesive tape.? Each button is an individual piece of tape.? At the smallest font, there's room for 2-lines of 3 characters, top is TAP, bottom is HOLD.? KPOD has really changed the way I operate. 73, Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW Sparks NV DM09dn Washoe County On 8/28/2018 1:51 AM, IK4EWX wrote: > Somebody has well solved the problem of labeling clearly the F-Keys on the > K-POD? > How? > I am interested to use a clean and clear way of labelling the K-Pod > commands. > Thanks. > Ian - IK4EWX > From n6tv at arrl.net Tue Aug 28 15:44:48 2018 From: n6tv at arrl.net (Bob Wilson, N6TV) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2018 12:44:48 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] update In-Reply-To: <94667e5c-3ebf-45e9-81e6-582e80694353@subich.com> References: <5B8586A9.1040900@k4wi.net> <94667e5c-3ebf-45e9-81e6-582e80694353@subich.com> Message-ID: Though that would probably work, I think it's very confusing and counter-intuitive to program an Elecraft amplifier to use an Icom protocol to communicate with a Yaesu transceiver by relying on a microHAM microKEYER to translate the Yaesu CAT commands to equivalent ICOM CI-V commands. Note that both the KPA500 and KAT500 can also work through an S-BOX the same way, following the Yaesu transceiver. Unlike the KPA1500, these older Elecraft devices cannot handle CI-V (only Icom "Band Voltage", which has limitations on WARC bands). The S-BOX offers a more straightforward approach: just tell the Elecraft amp. to use Yaesu serial protocol to communicate with your modern Yaesu transceiver. Additional serial devices can also connect to the S-BOX in the future, with no custom cables required. Cort is still using the microKEYER, he's just passing the serial traffic through the S-BOX to the radio, so other devices, like the KPA1500, can "tap in." 73, Bob, N6TV On Tue, Aug 28, 2018 at 11:52 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: > > The S-Box is completely unnecessary ... > > Configure the KPA-1500 to work with an *ICOM* transceiver (CI-V data) > and configure MK II to output CI-V data on the *AUX CI-V* jack (rear > panel). The concept is identical to use of an Icom PW1 amplifier > with MK II as described in the application note "Using the Icom PW-1" > on the support > page at www.microHAM-USA.com/Support.html. > > 73, > > ... Joe, W4TV > > > On 2018-08-28 1:30 PM, Courtney Judd wrote: > >> I am posting this as an update and recommendation on how I got all my >> electronics playing correctly together. I recently bought a new Elecraft >> KPA1500 amplifier and wanted it to work seamlessly with my FTdx5000 and >> microHam Keyer 2. Just not enough serial ports to go around; thought I >> could fix up some work arounds but just didn't work. Then I found the S-BOX >> by N6TV.... Bob has this remarkable device available.... looked at it and >> bought it with the correct cables.... plug and play. Now the amp and tuner >> follow the radio correctly and the Keyer 2 does it's thing with DX4WIN and >> Writelog. The S-BOX works as advertised, is a quality product and Bob is >> there for any help! Show me as a happy camper. If you have any interest >> check this out: >> >> The *S-BOX* and *S-BOX-USB* are passive *serial >> port* >> splitters that make it easy to connect multiple devices to *any* >> compatible >> transceiver with a serial port. When connected through the S-BOX, every >> device can follow the transceiver frequency, automatically changing bands >> and/or retuning. >> >> Feel free to ask any questions of me that you might have or Bob can put >> you on the right path for sure! 73's Cort K4WI >> >> ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n6tv at arrl.net > From llachow at gmail.com Tue Aug 28 16:08:56 2018 From: llachow at gmail.com (LL) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2018 16:08:56 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Bizarre K2 keyer issue Message-ID: This is the weirdest thing ever. So my wonderful K2, #4442, was pressed into service once again, a few months ago, after some needed TLC from Alan Wilcox. All was fine. In fact, it was all wonderful! So I just built a new antenna; got it up yesterday, it's a 40M full-wave Delta Loop. Hoping for some DX. Early last evening, I got some plugs on the end of the feedline, and connected both antlers to the rig. After comparing received sigs, I decided to call CQ, and compare RBN results. But someone replied, and I began a QSO. That's when this trouble began. I was unable to send intelligible code; extra dits were being inserted. I tried changing menu settings, fiddled with the key. I finally had to just bag the QSO and go QRT. This never happened before. Whether operating, or in test mode, the keying is intermittently whacky. It will sometimes send a couple or five extra dits. In HAND mode, it will extend dahs, randomly. As mentioned, this happens when transmitting, and it's the same when in TEST mode, so it's not caused by RF. I've tried a couple of different keys; same. I tried to attach a brief vid showing persistent dits, but it didn't post to the list. Let's try this: it's a brief vid of me sending CQ CQ DE K3ESE K3ESE K - and the keying is correct. What comes out, not so much. Any ideas...?? Lloyd, K3ESE From wes_n7ws at triconet.org Tue Aug 28 16:13:31 2018 From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes Stewart) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2018 13:13:31 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Filter Recommendations In-Reply-To: <5312b261-d986-565c-c80e-3a8966f78733@embarqmail.com> References: <7f710b38-43e3-82e2-21ff-5b1a4b291508@embarqmail.com> <1597551262.3606461.1535348105335@mail.yahoo.com> <00f001d43e16$0e133750$2a39a5f0$@net> <5312b261-d986-565c-c80e-3a8966f78733@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <97ee8d6a-d739-6f5f-0098-14f2888b9410@triconet.org> I've been at this for 60 years now and the only time I've ever heard signals "pop out of the noise" was when I was working 2-meter meteor scatter.? Where have I gone wrong? Wes? N7WS On 8/27/2018 8:02 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > When you can just barely hear the no-signal band noise, signals will tend to > pop out of the noise. From farrerfolks at yahoo.com Tue Aug 28 16:30:46 2018 From: farrerfolks at yahoo.com (Mel Farrer) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2018 20:30:46 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] Filter Recommendations In-Reply-To: <97ee8d6a-d739-6f5f-0098-14f2888b9410@triconet.org> References: <7f710b38-43e3-82e2-21ff-5b1a4b291508@embarqmail.com> <1597551262.3606461.1535348105335@mail.yahoo.com> <00f001d43e16$0e133750$2a39a5f0$@net> <5312b261-d986-565c-c80e-3a8966f78733@embarqmail.com> <97ee8d6a-d739-6f5f-0098-14f2888b9410@triconet.org> Message-ID: <839776083.5239885.1535488246373@mail.yahoo.com> The only time I can make signals pop out is when I put in enough ATT to make noises floor S0.? Then it is like a FM channel when signal come in.? BUT the incoming signal needs to be several S units above the quiet noise floor to truly open the gate so to speak.? Weak signals near the noise floor do not open the gate. Mel, K6KBE From: Wes Stewart To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2018 1:15 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Filter Recommendations I've been at this for 60 years now and the only time I've ever heard signals "pop out of the noise" was when I was working 2-meter meteor scatter.? Where have I gone wrong? Wes? N7WS On 8/27/2018 8:02 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > When you can just barely hear the no-signal band noise, signals will tend to > pop out of the noise. ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to farrerfolks at yahoo.com From donwilh at embarqmail.com Tue Aug 28 16:43:14 2018 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2018 16:43:14 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Bizarre K2 keyer issue In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5d4baf75-7eac-21ef-ea19-fdacaf30d9a7@embarqmail.com> Lloyd, Do you have the 2 diodes to permit using a hand key in addition to paddles (auto-detect)? If so, try removing the diodes to see if it works - Turn off auto-detect. Do you have a microphone connected? If so, remove it on the possibility that there may be a mic problem with the PTT switch. If no diodes, put a 1/8 inch stereo plug in the key jack and short across the tip and sleeve contacts and then across the sleeve and ring. See if either the dots or the dashes become extended. If not investigate the external cable(s) to the paddles. If you have trouble with just the stereo plug, the next suspect is the key jack - although they seldom fail (I have only 2 in all the K2s I have serviced), that is the least expensive possible fault. Eliminating the above as a problem, the only thing left is the firmware. On 8/28/2018 4:08 PM, LL wrote: > This is the weirdest thing ever. > > So my wonderful K2, #4442, was pressed into service once again, a few > months ago, after some needed TLC from Alan Wilcox. > > All was fine. In fact, it was all wonderful! > > So I just built a new antenna; got it up yesterday, it's a 40M full-wave > Delta Loop. Hoping for some DX. > > Early last evening, I got some plugs on the end of the feedline, and > connected both antlers to the rig. After comparing received sigs, I decided > to call CQ, and compare RBN results. But someone replied, and I began a > QSO. > > That's when this trouble began. I was unable to send intelligible code; > extra dits were being inserted. I tried changing menu settings, fiddled > with the key. I finally had to just bag the QSO and go QRT. > > This never happened before. Whether operating, or in test mode, the keying > is intermittently whacky. It will sometimes send a couple or five extra > dits. In HAND mode, it will extend dahs, randomly. From pubx1 at af2z.net Tue Aug 28 16:50:24 2018 From: pubx1 at af2z.net (Drew AF2Z) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2018 16:50:24 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Bizarre K2 keyer issue In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <356ff46d-3fd8-44ab-7031-b732bedcc24a@af2z.net> At the risk of stating the obvious, check your key cable & plug. Sounds like it is intermittently shorting producing longer dahs & extra dits. 73, Drew AF2Z On 08/28/18 16:08, LL wrote: > This is the weirdest thing ever. > > So my wonderful K2, #4442, was pressed into service once again, a few > months ago, after some needed TLC from Alan Wilcox. > > All was fine. In fact, it was all wonderful! > > So I just built a new antenna; got it up yesterday, it's a 40M full-wave > Delta Loop. Hoping for some DX. > > Early last evening, I got some plugs on the end of the feedline, and > connected both antlers to the rig. After comparing received sigs, I decided > to call CQ, and compare RBN results. But someone replied, and I began a > QSO. > > That's when this trouble began. I was unable to send intelligible code; > extra dits were being inserted. I tried changing menu settings, fiddled > with the key. I finally had to just bag the QSO and go QRT. > > This never happened before. Whether operating, or in test mode, the keying > is intermittently whacky. It will sometimes send a couple or five extra > dits. In HAND mode, it will extend dahs, randomly. > > As mentioned, this happens when transmitting, and it's the same when in > TEST mode, so it's not caused by RF. > > I've tried a couple of different keys; same. > > I tried to attach a brief vid showing persistent dits, but it didn't post > to the list. Let's try this: it's a brief vid of me sending > CQ CQ > DE K3ESE K3ESE K - and the keying is correct. What comes out, not so much. > > Any ideas...?? > > Lloyd, K3ESE > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to pubx1 at af2z.net > From cyaffey at gmail.com Tue Aug 28 16:55:29 2018 From: cyaffey at gmail.com (Carl Yaffey) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2018 16:55:29 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K1 for sale Message-ID: I have a nice K1 for sale. If interested, drop me an email for details. Carl Yaffey K8NU Recording studio. cyaffeyNO_SPAM at gmail.com 614 268 6353, Columbus OH http://www.carl-yaffey.com http://www.grassahol.com http://www.bluesswing.com From k6dgw at foothill.net Tue Aug 28 17:09:55 2018 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2018 14:09:55 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Bizarre K2 keyer issue In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Don is your best source but ... any chance it got set to Iambic B and you're an Iambic A guy?? Iambic B adds elements that you don't actually send.? Just a thought. 73, Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW Sparks NV DM09dn Washoe County "Never iambicized" On 8/28/2018 1:08 PM, LL wrote: > This is the weirdest thing ever. > > So my wonderful K2, #4442, was pressed into service once again, a few > months ago, after some needed TLC from Alan Wilcox. > > All was fine. In fact, it was all wonderful! > > So I just built a new antenna; got it up yesterday, it's a 40M full-wave > Delta Loop. Hoping for some DX. > > Early last evening, I got some plugs on the end of the feedline, and > connected both antlers to the rig. After comparing received sigs, I decided > to call CQ, and compare RBN results. But someone replied, and I began a > QSO. > > That's when this trouble began. I was unable to send intelligible code; > extra dits were being inserted. I tried changing menu settings, fiddled > with the key. I finally had to just bag the QSO and go QRT. > > This never happened before. Whether operating, or in test mode, the keying > is intermittently whacky. It will sometimes send a couple or five extra > dits. In HAND mode, it will extend dahs, randomly. > > As mentioned, this happens when transmitting, and it's the same when in > TEST mode, so it's not caused by RF. > > I've tried a couple of different keys; same. > > I tried to attach a brief vid showing persistent dits, but it didn't post > to the list. Let's try this: it's a brief vid of me sending > CQ CQ > DE K3ESE K3ESE K - and the keying is correct. What comes out, not so much. > > Any ideas...?? > > Lloyd, K3ESE > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to k6dgw at foothill.net > > > -- > This message has been scanned by E.F.A. Project and is believed to be clean. > > > From ve3wdm at hotmail.com Tue Aug 28 17:34:23 2018 From: ve3wdm at hotmail.com (VE3WDM) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2018 14:34:23 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] K-POD labels In-Reply-To: References: <1535446318860-0.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1535492063912-0.post@n2.nabble.com> I have used the P-touch labels but stick them on a pre-cut magnetic strip this way you can have add or remove them from the K-pod. The labels are held in place by the magnet. This way you can have a set for contesting, QSO and DXpeditions. https://ve3wdm.blogspot.com/2017/04/some-dx-contacts-today.htm Above is a link to my blog that shows a shot of the K-pod with the magnetic labels. 73 Mike VE3WDM -- Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ From k9yeq at live.com Tue Aug 28 17:38:07 2018 From: k9yeq at live.com (Bill Johnson) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2018 21:38:07 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] K-POD labels In-Reply-To: <1535492063912-0.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1535446318860-0.post@n2.nabble.com> <1535492063912-0.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: Now that is very intriguing to me, Mike. Do you have a simple source for the magnetic tape that works for you? 73, Bill K9YEQ https://wrj-tech.com/ -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of VE3WDM Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2018 4:34 PM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K-POD labels I have used the P-touch labels but stick them on a pre-cut magnetic strip this way you can have add or remove them from the K-pod. The labels are held in place by the magnet. This way you can have a set for contesting, QSO and DXpeditions. https://ve3wdm.blogspot.com/2017/04/some-dx-contacts-today.htm Above is a link to my blog that shows a shot of the K-pod with the magnetic labels. 73 Mike VE3WDM -- Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to k9yeq at live.com From c-hawley at illinois.edu Tue Aug 28 19:13:19 2018 From: c-hawley at illinois.edu (hawley, charles j jr) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2018 23:13:19 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] K-POD labels In-Reply-To: <1535492063912-0.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1535446318860-0.post@n2.nabble.com> , <1535492063912-0.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: I use a 3 by 5 card which just fits under the Pod. I draw a grid of 4 squares with ink on each side that sticks out from under the Pod and pencil in the commands. Chuck KE9UW Sent from my iPhone, cjack > On Aug 28, 2018, at 4:34 PM, VE3WDM wrote: > > I have used the P-touch labels but stick them on a pre-cut magnetic strip > this way you can have add or remove them from the K-pod. The labels are held > in place by the magnet. This way you can have a set for contesting, QSO and > DXpeditions. > > https://ve3wdm.blogspot.com/2017/04/some-dx-contacts-today.htm > > Above is a link to my blog that shows a shot of the K-pod with the magnetic > labels. > 73 > Mike > VE3WDM > > > > -- > Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to c-hawley at illinois.edu From wb6rse1 at mac.com Tue Aug 28 19:22:54 2018 From: wb6rse1 at mac.com (wb6rse1 at mac.com) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2018 16:22:54 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] FOR SALE PR6 KXV3A Message-ID: <420E5A36-7F00-4358-9014-4C28AB267C45@mac.com> For Sale. For K3 non "S." Elecraft PR6 6m preamp. Includes dual BNC connectors, power cord with RCA plug, DB15 to K3 AUX connector, original manual. $110 shipped USPS. USA only. Elecraft KXV3A. Upgraded KXV3. Allows connection of an RX antenna and interface for a PR6 6m preamp. This is NOT the KXV3B with preamps. $35 shipped USPS. USA only. Both: $135. Please contact me ONLY OFF LIST. Tks & 73 - Steve WB6RSE From maxrcul at gmail.com Tue Aug 28 21:14:28 2018 From: maxrcul at gmail.com (Bill DeVore) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2018 21:14:28 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3s audio on the USB cable vs line out audio Message-ID: <67CCEE73-6638-4B01-9B23-8144E8C407C5@gmail.com> I'm trying to mix my K3s sidetone audio with Skypes audio out by using a software mixer called VoiceMeeter. This will eliminate the mic on my Skype camera trying to pickup the audio coming from the K3's speaker and hopefully eliminate most of the audio artifacts. Does it matter where I pick off the audio? The Elecraft manual seems to indicate the USB cable is a better choice but wonder if line out will work as well Bill - W3PNM From ab2tc at arrl.net Tue Aug 28 21:55:43 2018 From: ab2tc at arrl.net (ab2tc) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2018 18:55:43 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] K3s audio on the USB cable vs line out audio In-Reply-To: <67CCEE73-6638-4B01-9B23-8144E8C407C5@gmail.com> References: <67CCEE73-6638-4B01-9B23-8144E8C407C5@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1535507743978-0.post@n2.nabble.com> Hi Bill, For all practical purposes the choice will make no difference to the audio quality. Either option will certainly be vastly better than picking up the K3 audio with a microphone. The USB option is just a bit more convenient since you can can combine audio and rig control in one cable. AB2TC - Knut Bill DeVore wrote > I'm trying to mix my K3s sidetone audio with Skypes audio out by using a > software mixer called VoiceMeeter. This will eliminate the mic on my Skype > camera trying to pickup the audio coming from the K3's speaker and > hopefully eliminate most of the audio artifacts. Does it matter where I > pick off the audio? The Elecraft manual seems to indicate the USB cable is > a better choice but wonder if line out will work as well > > Bill - W3PNM > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto: > Elecraft at .qth > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to > lists+1215531472858-365791 at .nabble -- Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ From llachow at gmail.com Tue Aug 28 22:53:08 2018 From: llachow at gmail.com (LL) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2018 22:53:08 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Bizarre K2 keyer issue In-Reply-To: <5d4baf75-7eac-21ef-ea19-fdacaf30d9a7@embarqmail.com> References: <5d4baf75-7eac-21ef-ea19-fdacaf30d9a7@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: It's the darndest thing - but I'll take it! I don't have the diodes. I don't have SSB, or a mic jack. So...I did the test with the shorted stereo plug. Everything worked fine. So then, I plugged in my paddles, and - everything worked fine. Hooked up my new delta loop, worked France with 5W, got a 599. So thanks, Don, for the long-distance exorcism. May it last! Lloyd, K3ESE On Tue, Aug 28, 2018, 4:43 PM Don Wilhelm wrote: > Lloyd, > > Do you have the 2 diodes to permit using a hand key in addition to > paddles (auto-detect)? > > If so, try removing the diodes to see if it works - Turn off auto-detect. > > Do you have a microphone connected? If so, remove it on the possibility > that there may be a mic problem with the PTT switch. > > If no diodes, put a 1/8 inch stereo plug in the key jack and short > across the tip and sleeve contacts and then across the sleeve and ring. > See if either the dots or the dashes become extended. If not > investigate the external cable(s) to the paddles. > > If you have trouble with just the stereo plug, the next suspect is the > key jack - although they seldom fail (I have only 2 in all the K2s I > have serviced), that is the least expensive possible fault. > > Eliminating the above as a problem, the only thing left is the firmware. > > On 8/28/2018 4:08 PM, LL wrote: > > This is the weirdest thing ever. > > > > So my wonderful K2, #4442, was pressed into service once again, a few > > months ago, after some needed TLC from Alan Wilcox. > > > > All was fine. In fact, it was all wonderful! > > > > So I just built a new antenna; got it up yesterday, it's a 40M full-wave > > Delta Loop. Hoping for some DX. > > > > Early last evening, I got some plugs on the end of the feedline, and > > connected both antlers to the rig. After comparing received sigs, I > decided > > to call CQ, and compare RBN results. But someone replied, and I began a > > QSO. > > > > That's when this trouble began. I was unable to send intelligible code; > > extra dits were being inserted. I tried changing menu settings, fiddled > > with the key. I finally had to just bag the QSO and go QRT. > > > > This never happened before. Whether operating, or in test mode, the > keying > > is intermittently whacky. It will sometimes send a couple or five extra > > dits. In HAND mode, it will extend dahs, randomly. > From g3bj.don at gmail.com Wed Aug 29 08:23:36 2018 From: g3bj.don at gmail.com (Don Beattie) Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2018 13:23:36 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 SPEAKER Message-ID: <010201d43f93$1cc71ae0$565550a0$@gmail.com> I apologise if this has been asked before, but I have a newly developed problem with my K3. In short, the speaker does not activate when the headphones are removed from the front socket. I have tried both options under the speaker and phones menu item. When "both" is selected, the speaker works fine with the phones plugged in. But I want the facility to silence the speaker when using phones, so I want to be able to select the other option, meaning that the speaker only activates when the phones are unplugged. Selecting that option does not activate the speaker when the phones are unplugged. This is a new problem, and I can't understand why it's suddenly arisen. My logic is that the 3.5mm jack socket on the rear of the rig (or the main one on the front) is giving a false positive that the phones are plugged in, when in fact they are not, thus disabling the speaker. But before I start taking the hardware to bits, is there anything else I have overlooked? I might add that I am running the latest firmware etc etc. 73 Don, G3BJ / G5W From fcady at montana.edu Wed Aug 29 10:11:05 2018 From: fcady at montana.edu (Cady, Fred) Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2018 14:11:05 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 SPEAKER In-Reply-To: <010201d43f93$1cc71ae0$565550a0$@gmail.com> References: <010201d43f93$1cc71ae0$565550a0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi don, At one point Elecraft had to change the switch that cuts out speaker audio when the phones are plugged in so there is a setting in CONFIG:SPRK+PH that selects one of two action polarities. Tapping the 1 key toggles between PH.R SW- (inverted) and PH.R SW+. Try changing that. Cheers, Fred KE7X For all KE7X Elecraft manuals, see www.ke7x.com ________________________________ From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net on behalf of Don Beattie Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2018 6:23 AM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] K3 SPEAKER I apologise if this has been asked before, but I have a newly developed problem with my K3. In short, the speaker does not activate when the headphones are removed from the front socket. I have tried both options under the speaker and phones menu item. When "both" is selected, the speaker works fine with the phones plugged in. But I want the facility to silence the speaker when using phones, so I want to be able to select the other option, meaning that the speaker only activates when the phones are unplugged. Selecting that option does not activate the speaker when the phones are unplugged. This is a new problem, and I can't understand why it's suddenly arisen. My logic is that the 3.5mm jack socket on the rear of the rig (or the main one on the front) is giving a false positive that the phones are plugged in, when in fact they are not, thus disabling the speaker. But before I start taking the hardware to bits, is there anything else I have overlooked? I might add that I am running the latest firmware etc etc. 73 Don, G3BJ / G5W ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to fcady at ke7x.com From g3bj.don at gmail.com Wed Aug 29 10:39:55 2018 From: g3bj.don at gmail.com (Don Beattie) Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2018 15:39:55 +0100 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 SPEAKER Message-ID: <011e01d43fa6$279e6500$76db2f00$@gmail.com> Many thanks to those who replied. What a source of wisdom there is here! Problem solved - and it was the need to tap "1" when in the "speaker + ph" menu option to bring the speaker back into life. I'd missed this small item and I'm so grateful to those who pointed out the small print. I have no idea how it got reversed in the first place. 73 Don, G3BJ / G5W From: Don Beattie Sent: 29 August 2018 13:24 To: 'elecraft at mailman.qth.net' Subject: K3 SPEAKER I apologise if this has been asked before, but I have a newly developed problem with my K3. In short, the speaker does not activate when the headphones are removed from the front socket. I have tried both options under the speaker and phones menu item. When "both" is selected, the speaker works fine with the phones plugged in. But I want the facility to silence the speaker when using phones, so I want to be able to select the other option, meaning that the speaker only activates when the phones are unplugged. Selecting that option does not activate the speaker when the phones are unplugged. This is a new problem, and I can't understand why it's suddenly arisen. My logic is that the 3.5mm jack socket on the rear of the rig (or the main one on the front) is giving a false positive that the phones are plugged in, when in fact they are not, thus disabling the speaker. But before I start taking the hardware to bits, is there anything else I have overlooked? I might add that I am running the latest firmware etc etc. 73 Don, G3BJ / G5W From ReillyJF at comcast.net Wed Aug 29 13:37:58 2018 From: ReillyJF at comcast.net (John Reilly) Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2018 11:37:58 -0600 Subject: [Elecraft] Email List Server Problem? Message-ID: I normally use the mail-archive.com Web site to view the Elecraft Email List. I also get the Digest via email with a group of recent submittals. I have noticed that some of the emails I see in the Digest are NOT in mail-archive.com, but are in nabble.com. For example, Wayne submitted, KX2/KX3 operating tip: Creating a CW "sound stage" using AFX PITCH mode, yesterday (Aug 21, 2018), and it does not appear in mail-archive.com. Any idea why mail-archive is not showing all emails? ? - 73, John, N0TA From wp4cw.ted at gmail.com Wed Aug 29 15:49:39 2018 From: wp4cw.ted at gmail.com (teodoro martinez) Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2018 12:49:39 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Pulled Pulled KIO3 for Sale Message-ID: <5b86f95b.1c69fb81.9d93e.946e@mx.google.com> I have for sale a used/pulled KIO3 interface modules. Upgraded. Not the ?A?. Unit/ serial about #6600. Contact me via email direct. Ted WP4CW at gmail dot com Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From glcazzola at alice.it Thu Aug 30 08:19:04 2018 From: glcazzola at alice.it (IK4EWX) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2018 05:19:04 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] K-POD labels In-Reply-To: <4d63cd34-d63a-2456-12be-ad59b42d7b6c@bayland.net> References: <1535446318860-0.post@n2.nabble.com> <4d63cd34-d63a-2456-12be-ad59b42d7b6c@bayland.net> Message-ID: <1535631544217-0.post@n2.nabble.com> Thanks Dwight. I thought to use a single adesive sheet but your solution is sure easier. 73, Ian IK4EWX -- Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ From glcazzola at alice.it Thu Aug 30 08:20:48 2018 From: glcazzola at alice.it (IK4EWX) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2018 05:20:48 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] K-POD labels In-Reply-To: References: <1535446318860-0.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1535631648817-0.post@n2.nabble.com> Thanks Fred. I will try this way. 73, Ian IK4EWX -- Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ From glcazzola at alice.it Thu Aug 30 08:22:42 2018 From: glcazzola at alice.it (IK4EWX) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2018 05:22:42 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] K-POD labels In-Reply-To: <1535492063912-0.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1535446318860-0.post@n2.nabble.com> <1535492063912-0.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1535631762368-0.post@n2.nabble.com> Mike, where is available to buy this thin magnetic strip? Thanks Ian IK4EWX -- Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ From glcazzola at alice.it Thu Aug 30 08:31:24 2018 From: glcazzola at alice.it (IK4EWX) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2018 05:31:24 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] K-POD labels In-Reply-To: References: <1535446318860-0.post@n2.nabble.com> <1535492063912-0.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1535632284248-0.post@n2.nabble.com> Chuck, this solution is in line with my first opinion. In the past I used on a home made superkeyer III a transparent adhesive sheet that I printed with a laser printer, with black characters, with great result. Here the problem is the black face of KPOD. It should be a clear and not transaparent sheet printed with laser printer or better a black sheet printable in white with a color printer. Great but not easy, sure it is simpler the Brother o Dymo thermal printer way... 73, Ian IK4EWX -- Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ From c-hawley at illinois.edu Thu Aug 30 09:36:00 2018 From: c-hawley at illinois.edu (hawley, charles j jr) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2018 13:36:00 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Picture of 3 by 5 card solution for K Pod cheat sheet Message-ID: <1418C543-901D-480A-92D5-589BF4174945@illinois.edu> -------------- next part -------------- An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: ATT00001.txt URL: From c-hawley at illinois.edu Thu Aug 30 09:40:19 2018 From: c-hawley at illinois.edu (hawley, charles j jr) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2018 13:40:19 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Picture of 3 by 5 card solution for K Pod cheat sheet In-Reply-To: <1418C543-901D-480A-92D5-589BF4174945@illinois.edu> References: <1418C543-901D-480A-92D5-589BF4174945@illinois.edu> Message-ID: <35977650-85F7-4820-80FC-26D00E5932E1@illinois.edu> Sorry, I guess pictures are not allowed Chuck Jack KE9UW Sent from my iPhone, cjack > On Aug 30, 2018, at 8:37 AM, hawley, charles j jr wrote: > > > > I only show one side to satisfy KB limitation. > > Chuck > KE9UW > > Sent from my iPhone, cjack > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to c-hawley at illinois.edu From ve3uvt at gmail.com Thu Aug 30 10:12:14 2018 From: ve3uvt at gmail.com (Chris) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2018 10:12:14 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K2 power setting issue Message-ID: My second K2 has some issue with output power. The power is set at 1.0W but is measured at over 10W at the dummy load. When I set the power to a little higher, I get 'Hi Cur' message but it goes away after a second. CAL CUR is set at 2.5A, and the modulation seems OK when I hear from other receivers. The max output with the pot all the way up is about 14W, so I think the final is fine. Any info is appreciated. Thanks. Chris AD1AD From W2xj at w2xj.net Thu Aug 30 10:43:29 2018 From: W2xj at w2xj.net (W2xj) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2018 07:43:29 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Picture of 3 by 5 card solution for K Pod cheat sheet In-Reply-To: <1418C543-901D-480A-92D5-589BF4174945@illinois.edu> References: <1418C543-901D-480A-92D5-589BF4174945@illinois.edu> Message-ID: <6B669B47-BC52-4DCD-BCC9-ABF48C287AD6@w2xj.net> Why all these posts lacking context? Sent from my iPad > On Aug 30, 2018, at 6:36 AM, hawley, charles j jr wrote: > > > > I only show one side to satisfy KB limitation. > > Chuck > KE9UW > > Sent from my iPhone, cjack > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to w2xj at w2xj.net From cameronfranceyutils at hotmail.com Thu Aug 30 10:50:14 2018 From: cameronfranceyutils at hotmail.com (Cameron Francey) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2018 14:50:14 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Bizarre K2 keyer issue In-Reply-To: References: <5d4baf75-7eac-21ef-ea19-fdacaf30d9a7@embarqmail.com>, Message-ID: FYI, I had a very similar issue last month, I keyed down and I got an error code on the display, I cant remember exactly what one it was but it wasn?t listed in the manual. Anyway, all I done was took the key plug out and reseated it and all was well again. I suspect a high resistance connection on key socket confuses the micro controller in some unexpected way. 73, Cameron ? AF7DK/GM7LQR From: LL Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2018 7:54 PM To: donwilh at embarqmail.com Cc: List Elecraft Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Bizarre K2 keyer issue It's the darndest thing - but I'll take it! I don't have the diodes. I don't have SSB, or a mic jack. So...I did the test with the shorted stereo plug. Everything worked fine. So then, I plugged in my paddles, and - everything worked fine. Hooked up my new delta loop, worked France with 5W, got a 599. So thanks, Don, for the long-distance exorcism. May it last! Lloyd, K3ESE From donwilh at embarqmail.com Thu Aug 30 10:53:50 2018 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2018 10:53:50 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K2 power setting issue In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <33136466-f5b1-35a2-f6ca-f1152224e4de@embarqmail.com> Chris, Which flavor K2 do you have? Base K2 only Base K2 with KAT2 K2 with KPA100 installed The bottom line is that there is no indication of power output being fed back to the MCU on the VRFDET line, so the MCU tries to ramp up power to produce more output - and it will go to its maximum capability. For the base K2 only, look at the D9 RF Detector and its circuit. For the QRP K2 with the KAT2, it is the wattmeter in the KAT2. If it has worked before, it is likely diodes D1 and D2 in the KAT2 - replace them. If it has never worked, make certain T1 is wound correctly, including the direction of the winding. If the reverse of what is shown in the manual, rewind it EXACTLY like the diagram in the manual. If the KPA100 is installed, and has worked before, it is likely diodes D16 and D17. If it has not worked before, check T4, it must be wound EXACTLY like the diagram. Turn the CAL CUR setting up to 3.50 for either the QRP K2 or the KPA100, and make sure the power supply voltage is 13.8 or greater under full power transmit load. 73, Don W3FPR On 8/30/2018 10:12 AM, Chris wrote: > My second K2 has some issue with output power. The power is set at 1.0W > but is measured at over 10W at the dummy load. When I set the power to a > little higher, I get 'Hi Cur' message but it goes away after a second. > > CAL CUR is set at 2.5A, and the modulation seems OK when I hear from other > receivers. The max output with the pot all the way up is about 14W, so I > think the final is fine. From donwilh at embarqmail.com Thu Aug 30 10:57:52 2018 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2018 10:57:52 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Picture of 3 by 5 card solution for K Pod cheat sheet In-Reply-To: <6B669B47-BC52-4DCD-BCC9-ABF48C287AD6@w2xj.net> References: <1418C543-901D-480A-92D5-589BF4174945@illinois.edu> <6B669B47-BC52-4DCD-BCC9-ABF48C287AD6@w2xj.net> Message-ID: <701fe916-dd11-82ed-37fe-947fa9e87345@embarqmail.com> Because many read the posts on Nabble and it is difficult to add a bit of information to indicate what they are referring to. Those posters might just as well talk into the wind, without context for reference, the subject line is not sufficient. Same with call signs shown in your email address. To help everyone else, please sign you emails. 73, Don W3FPR On 8/30/2018 10:43 AM, W2xj wrote: > Why all these posts lacking context? > > Sent from my iPad > >> On Aug 30, 2018, at 6:36 AM, hawley, charles j jr wrote: >> >> >> >> I only show one side to satisfy KB limitation. >> >> Chuck >> KE9UW >> >> Sent from my iPhone, cjack >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to w2xj at w2xj.net > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to donwilh at embarqmail.com > From billclarke at nycap.rr.com Thu Aug 30 11:08:59 2018 From: billclarke at nycap.rr.com (Bill) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2018 11:08:59 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] FS: K-Pod Message-ID: <2828ae15-ddc1-40d2-67d7-aa7d914bd88b@nycap.rr.com> K-Pod in excellent condition - hardly used - shipped to your door in the lower 48 for $180.00. Postal MO or PayPal only. Address good in QRZ. Bill W2BLC From billclarke at nycap.rr.com Thu Aug 30 11:12:06 2018 From: billclarke at nycap.rr.com (Bill) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2018 11:12:06 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] FS: Pig Knob for K3 Message-ID: Has VFO and 8 programmable buttons (poor man's K-Pod). In excellent condition - hardly used - shipped to your door in the lower 48 for $35.00. Postal MO or PayPal only. Address good in QRZ. Bill W2BLC From billclarke at nycap.rr.com Thu Aug 30 12:25:10 2018 From: billclarke at nycap.rr.com (Bill) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2018 12:25:10 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] FS: K-Pod In-Reply-To: <2828ae15-ddc1-40d2-67d7-aa7d914bd88b@nycap.rr.com> References: <2828ae15-ddc1-40d2-67d7-aa7d914bd88b@nycap.rr.com> Message-ID: Has been sold. From billclarke at nycap.rr.com Thu Aug 30 12:31:54 2018 From: billclarke at nycap.rr.com (Bill) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2018 12:31:54 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] FS: Pig Knob for K3 SOLD In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <017dbb93-2da6-a3c9-5a20-fe849c16447f@nycap.rr.com> Sold From billclarke at nycap.rr.com Thu Aug 30 12:32:23 2018 From: billclarke at nycap.rr.com (Bill) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2018 12:32:23 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] FS: K-Pod SOLD In-Reply-To: <2828ae15-ddc1-40d2-67d7-aa7d914bd88b@nycap.rr.com> References: <2828ae15-ddc1-40d2-67d7-aa7d914bd88b@nycap.rr.com> Message-ID: Sold From ab2tc at arrl.net Thu Aug 30 12:44:45 2018 From: ab2tc at arrl.net (ab2tc) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2018 09:44:45 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] Picture of 3 by 5 card solution for K Pod cheat sheet In-Reply-To: <701fe916-dd11-82ed-37fe-947fa9e87345@embarqmail.com> References: <1418C543-901D-480A-92D5-589BF4174945@illinois.edu> <6B669B47-BC52-4DCD-BCC9-ABF48C287AD6@w2xj.net> <701fe916-dd11-82ed-37fe-947fa9e87345@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <1535647485397-0.post@n2.nabble.com> Hi Don, This is sent via Nabble. You'll see your posting below as a quote. The Quote button is very visible above the text area to the left. The quote is easy to trim. I find Nabble very convenient for responding to messages. AB2TC - Knut Don Wilhelm wrote > Because many read the posts on Nabble and it is difficult to add a bit > of information to indicate what they are referring to. Those posters > might just as well talk into the wind, without context for reference, > the subject line is not sufficient. > Same with call signs shown in your email address. > To help everyone else, please sign you emails. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 8/30/2018 10:43 AM, W2xj wrote: > -- Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ From c-hawley at illinois.edu Thu Aug 30 12:44:53 2018 From: c-hawley at illinois.edu (hawley, charles j jr) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2018 16:44:53 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Picture of the 3 x 5 card label solution Message-ID: <4DDABC9C-23D2-4563-A0C2-C13B9A1D64A9@illinois.edu> Ok, ios12 and iCloud put the pictures on this link: https://share.icloud.com/photos/0aNIqRlH8m9F8ZeHC2ArfYLNg#Home Chuck KE9UW Sent from my iPhone, cjack From qwert037 at gmail.com Thu Aug 30 12:59:54 2018 From: qwert037 at gmail.com (Peter B) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2018 18:59:54 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S fsk with usb Message-ID: Hello list, I want to do FSK with my K3S. N1MM and MMTTY. The USB cable i used it for radio control. What kind of cable do i need for FSK or can i used the USB cable also. Any suggestions are welcome. 73s Peter/pd1rp From donwilh at embarqmail.com Thu Aug 30 13:20:47 2018 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2018 13:20:47 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S fsk with usb In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Peter, You will have to gain access to the RS-232 DTR or RTS signals. If you do not have the P3, you can insert the RJ45 to serial port dongle and pick the signals from that connector. Although I have not tried it, I believe it will work. You will also need to use a "one transistor keying interface" (google for it) to convert the signal level to TTL for driving the ACC connector FSK pin. If you do have the P3, you can add a "Y" cable to the P3 connector labeled "PC" to gain access to the serial port signals. Actually, you will likely find it easier to use AFSK A and drive the audio from the internal soundcard in the K3S. 73, Don W3FPR On 8/30/2018 12:59 PM, Peter B wrote: > Hello list, > I want to do FSK with my K3S. > N1MM and MMTTY. > The USB cable i used it for radio control. > What kind of cable do i need for FSK or can i used the USB cable also. > Any suggestions are welcome. > > 73s > Peter/pd1rp From rick at tavan.com Thu Aug 30 13:50:15 2018 From: rick at tavan.com (Rick Tavan) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2018 10:50:15 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [K3 Remote] TERM Mode no longer persists? Message-ID: I seem to be suffering a recurrence of a very old problem (years ago) for which I don't recall the solution: I have a real K3 at the control site, controlling a K3 at the remote site via RRC-1258 MkII boxes. I have a mechanical D-SUB 9 pin switch to route the control site K3 serial port to either a local computer or the RRC. When routed to the RRC and operating normally, when I turn on the K3 it begins to show its power-on banner in the VFO B area, then mid-way through that scroll detects that it's in TERM mode with an RRC connected, powers up the remote K3, and all is well. However, that doesn't seem to be working now. The control K3 comes up and fails to detect the RRC. The power-on banner for the control K3 completes its scroll and the radio operates locally. I think it is slipping out of TERM mode. I can force it back into TERM mode with a long hold of the CONFIG button, but then it never turns on the remote radio. If I turn off the control K3 and then back on, it apparently has forgotten it was in TERM mode. Any advice? Thanks, /Rick N6XI -- Rick Tavan Truckee, CA From rmcgraw at blomand.net Thu Aug 30 13:54:55 2018 From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2018 12:54:55 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S fsk with usb In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5942ab8f-8480-31e5-4237-fb5b6e930714@blomand.net> I agree with Don, why not do AFSK and eliminate all the extra hardware and cables?? No one except you will know the difference. 73 Bob, K4TAX On 8/30/2018 12:20 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > Peter, > > You will have to gain access to the RS-232 DTR or RTS signals. > If you do not have the P3, you can insert the RJ45 to serial port > dongle and pick the signals from that connector.? Although I have not > tried it, I believe it will work. > You will also need to use a "one transistor keying interface" (google > for it) to convert the signal level to TTL for driving the ACC > connector FSK pin. > > If you do have the P3, you can add a "Y" cable to the P3 connector > labeled "PC" to gain access to the serial port signals. > > Actually, you will likely find it easier to use AFSK A and drive the > audio from the internal soundcard in the K3S. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 8/30/2018 12:59 PM, Peter B wrote: >> Hello list, >> I want to do FSK with my K3S. >> N1MM and MMTTY. >> The USB cable i used it for radio control. >> What kind of cable do i need for FSK or can i used the USB cable also. >> Any suggestions are welcome. >> >> 73s >> Peter/pd1rp > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to rmcgraw at blomand.net > From paule408 at yahoo.com Thu Aug 30 14:13:34 2018 From: paule408 at yahoo.com (paule408 at yahoo.com) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2018 18:13:34 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 in Operate when powered on References: <1284043851.1018320.1535652814426.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1284043851.1018320.1535652814426@mail.yahoo.com> I have two KPA500 amplifiers that I use with a remote station. Both have the latest firmware.? I have these configured to go into Operate mode when powered on, however I have many issues getting this setting to "stick". In other words, when remotely powered on, they come up in Standby despite the setting to come on in Operate.? Firmware is up to date. Anyone know a fix for this? Thanks, Paul N6PSEpauln6pse at gmail.com From k6dgw at foothill.net Thu Aug 30 14:19:31 2018 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2018 11:19:31 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] [K3 Remote] TERM Mode no longer persists? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I've experienced this several times Rick. Once, it was because I had dismantled my control setup and when I reassembled it, I forgot to use the null modem cable between the K3 and RRC.? The other times [three maybe], it's been a bad RS-232 DE-9 connection at the RRC.? I think it is only one pin ... apparently all DE-9 jumpers are not created equal. I use a mechanical A/B switch too. 73, Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW Sparks NV DM09dn Washoe County On 8/30/2018 10:50 AM, Rick Tavan wrote: > I seem to be suffering a recurrence of a very old problem (years ago) for > which I don't recall the solution: > > I have a real K3 at the control site, controlling a K3 at the remote site > via RRC-1258 MkII boxes. I have a mechanical D-SUB 9 pin switch to route > the control site K3 serial port to either a local computer or the RRC. When > routed to the RRC and operating normally, when I turn on the K3 it begins > to show its power-on banner in the VFO B area, then mid-way through that > scroll detects that it's in TERM mode with an RRC connected, powers up the > remote K3, and all is well. However, that doesn't seem to be working now. > The control K3 comes up and fails to detect the RRC. The power-on banner > for the control K3 completes its scroll and the radio operates locally. I > think it is slipping out of TERM mode. I can force it back into TERM mode > with a long hold of the CONFIG button, but then it never turns on the > remote radio. If I turn off the control K3 and then back on, it apparently > has forgotten it was in TERM mode. > > Any advice? > > Thanks, > > /Rick N6XI > -- > > Rick Tavan > Truckee, CA > ______________________________________________________________ > From ve3iay at gmail.com Thu Aug 30 14:19:26 2018 From: ve3iay at gmail.com (Richard Ferch) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2018 14:19:26 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S fsk with usb Message-ID: To transmit FSK from N1MM+/MMTTY with a K3 or K3S, you need: (a) some kind of serial port-based keying interface; and (b) a cable from the keying interface to the 15-pin ACC port on the back of the K3/K3S (pin 1 is the FSK keying input). The serial port used for FSK keying by MMTTY must be a different serial port from the port used by N1MM+ for radio control. The two programs cannot share the same serial port. The serial port interface can be a one-transistor keying circuit connected to a true serial port, or the same kind of interface connected to a USB-to-serial adapter with the help of the EXTFSK plugin in MMTTY, or a USB device that incorporates both a virtual serial port and a keying circuit, such as a commercially available keying interface (e.g. microHam, RigExpert, ...), or a TinyFSK (either with a special plugin for MMTTY or used directly from N1MM+). In principle, an RTTY program could use radio control commands to key FSK via the USB cable to the radio, but none of the RTTY modems supported by N1MM+ (including MMTTY) use this method. It should be possible to program CAT1ASC macros into the N1MM+ function keys to implement this approach, but I don't know whether anyone has tried this. There are a number of people who have used a similar approach for keying CW from N1MM+ with the KX2 and KX3, and offhand I cannot think of a reason why it would not also work in FSK RTTY, but I have never tried it. Just as in CW, there are likely to be some features of N1MM+ that work with more traditional methods but that wouldn't work using this unsupported method. 73, Rich VE3KI PD1RP wrote: I want to do FSK with my K3S. N1MM and MMTTY. The USB cable i used it for radio control. What kind of cable do i need for FSK or can i used the USB cable also. Any suggestions are welcome. From k9yeq at live.com Thu Aug 30 14:53:56 2018 From: k9yeq at live.com (Bill Johnson) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2018 18:53:56 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Picture of the 3 x 5 card label solution For K-POD switches Message-ID: Thanks, Chuck. I added to topic to aleve the topic concerns. Like the simplicity. When I don't use a particular switch often enough, I forget what it is for. When I programmed and when I remember can be quite distant in time. 73, Bill K9YEQ https://wrj-tech.com/ -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of hawley, charles j jr Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2018 11:45 AM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] Picture of the 3 x 5 card label solution Ok, ios12 and iCloud put the pictures on this link: https://share.icloud.com/photos/0aNIqRlH8m9F8ZeHC2ArfYLNg#Home Chuck KE9UW Sent from my iPhone, cjack ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to k9yeq at live.com From alsopb at comcast.net Thu Aug 30 15:35:32 2018 From: alsopb at comcast.net (brian) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2018 19:35:32 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S fsk with usb In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5B884704.9010404@comcast.net> Rich, I seem to recall that the serial port needed for FSK generally cannot come from the run of the mill USB/RS232 converters. They can't operate at 45 baud/5 bit rate needed. See: http://aa5au.com/GettingStartedOnRtty.pdf This is old info and things may have changed. So what does a guy who has only USB ports do other than AFSK? I thought that was his question. 73 de Brian/K3KO On 8/30/2018 18:19 PM, Richard Ferch wrote: > To transmit FSK from N1MM+/MMTTY with a K3 or K3S, you need: (a) some kind > of serial port-based keying interface; and (b) a cable from the keying > interface to the 15-pin ACC port on the back of the K3/K3S (pin 1 is the > FSK keying input). > > The serial port used for FSK keying by MMTTY must be a different serial > port from the port used by N1MM+ for radio control. The two programs cannot > share the same serial port. > > The serial port interface can be a one-transistor keying circuit connected > to a true serial port, or the same kind of interface connected to a > USB-to-serial adapter with the help of the EXTFSK plugin in MMTTY, or a USB > device that incorporates both a virtual serial port and a keying circuit, > such as a commercially available keying interface (e.g. microHam, > RigExpert, ...), or a TinyFSK (either with a special plugin for MMTTY or > used directly from N1MM+). > > In principle, an RTTY program could use radio control commands to key FSK > via the USB cable to the radio, but none of the RTTY modems supported by > N1MM+ (including MMTTY) use this method. It should be possible to program > CAT1ASC macros into the N1MM+ function keys to implement this approach, but > I don't know whether anyone has tried this. There are a number of people > who have used a similar approach for keying CW from N1MM+ with the KX2 and > KX3, and offhand I cannot think of a reason why it would not also work in > FSK RTTY, but I have never tried it. Just as in CW, there are likely to be > some features of N1MM+ that work with more traditional methods but that > wouldn't work using this unsupported method. > > 73, > Rich VE3KI > > > PD1RP wrote: > > I want to do FSK with my K3S. > N1MM and MMTTY. > The USB cable i used it for radio control. > What kind of cable do i need for FSK or can i used the USB cable also. > Any suggestions are welcome. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to alsopb at comcast.net > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. > https://www.avg.com > From hdv1 at kpnplanet.nl Thu Aug 30 16:44:42 2018 From: hdv1 at kpnplanet.nl (Henk de Vries (hdv)) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2018 20:44:42 -0000 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S fsk with usb In-Reply-To: <5B884704.9010404@comcast.net> References: <5B884704.9010404@comcast.net> Message-ID: <000201d440a2$47758230$d6608690$@kpnplanet.nl> Hi Peter, Using a regular/cheap USB <> RS232 converter and NPN-"interface" to the ACC port. FSK works fine here with my K3s. MMTTY settings: TX menu : port = EXTFSK64 Misc menu : tx-port = Com-TxD(FSK) , click USB and set C where needed Audio via USB. Henk PA0C PS, kan jammer genoeg niet met RTTY contest meedoen -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net Namens brian Verzonden: donderdag 30 augustus 2018 19:36 Aan: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Onderwerp: Re: [Elecraft] K3S fsk with usb Rich, I seem to recall that the serial port needed for FSK generally cannot come from the run of the mill USB/RS232 converters. They can't operate at 45 baud/5 bit rate needed. See: http://aa5au.com/GettingStartedOnRtty.pdf This is old info and things may have changed. So what does a guy who has only USB ports do other than AFSK? I thought that was his question. 73 de Brian/K3KO On 8/30/2018 18:19 PM, Richard Ferch wrote: > To transmit FSK from N1MM+/MMTTY with a K3 or K3S, you need: (a) some > kind of serial port-based keying interface; and (b) a cable from the > keying interface to the 15-pin ACC port on the back of the K3/K3S (pin > 1 is the FSK keying input). > > The serial port used for FSK keying by MMTTY must be a different > serial port from the port used by N1MM+ for radio control. The two > programs cannot share the same serial port. > > The serial port interface can be a one-transistor keying circuit > connected to a true serial port, or the same kind of interface > connected to a USB-to-serial adapter with the help of the EXTFSK > plugin in MMTTY, or a USB device that incorporates both a virtual > serial port and a keying circuit, such as a commercially available > keying interface (e.g. microHam, RigExpert, ...), or a TinyFSK (either > with a special plugin for MMTTY or used directly from N1MM+). > > In principle, an RTTY program could use radio control commands to key > FSK via the USB cable to the radio, but none of the RTTY modems > supported by > N1MM+ (including MMTTY) use this method. It should be possible to > N1MM+ program > CAT1ASC macros into the N1MM+ function keys to implement this > approach, but I don't know whether anyone has tried this. There are a > number of people who have used a similar approach for keying CW from > N1MM+ with the KX2 and KX3, and offhand I cannot think of a reason why > it would not also work in FSK RTTY, but I have never tried it. Just as > in CW, there are likely to be some features of N1MM+ that work with > more traditional methods but that wouldn't work using this unsupported method. > > 73, > Rich VE3KI > > > PD1RP wrote: > > I want to do FSK with my K3S. > N1MM and MMTTY. > The USB cable i used it for radio control. > What kind of cable do i need for FSK or can i used the USB cable also. > Any suggestions are welcome. > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to > alsopb at comcast.net > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. > https://www.avg.com > ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to hdv1 at kpnplanet.nl From ve3iay at gmail.com Thu Aug 30 16:50:24 2018 From: ve3iay at gmail.com (Richard Ferch) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2018 16:50:24 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S fsk with usb Message-ID: Brian, My first response would be "use AFSK". My second would be "use a TinyFSK for FSK". But in response to your question, if you really want to key FSK directly from a USB-to-serial adapter you can use the EXTFSK plugin in MMTTY (). This works with any USB-to-serial adapter. There is also a 64-bit version that supports other baud rates () at the expense of heavier CPU requirements. As distinct from AFSK, neither TinyFSK nor FSK keying with EXTFSK works via the USB cable used for radio control of the K3S (or K3 with KIO3B), which was how I interpreted the original question. They both require their own USB port, separate from the one used with the K3S for radio control and sound card audio. 73, Rich VE3KI K3KO asked: I seem to recall that the serial port needed for FSK generally cannot come from the run of the mill USB/RS232 converters. They can't operate at 45 baud/5 bit rate needed. See: http://aa5au.com/GettingStartedOnRtty.pdf This is old info and things may have changed. So what does a guy who has only USB ports do other than AFSK? I thought that was his question. From K8UT at charter.net Thu Aug 30 16:58:37 2018 From: K8UT at charter.net (Larry (K8UT)) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2018 20:58:37 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S fsk with usb Message-ID: This thread is running parallel to a discussion running on the DXLabs reflector today, due to the release of a new MMTTY FSK interface to TinyFSK programmed by Oba JA7UDE. I'll apologize in advance for inserting the following: """" I'd like to avoid having my response drag this thread into the perpetual debate about AFSK versus FSK RTTY. However, if you already know that you prefer RTTY via FSK there has been a secondary argument about whether a RTTY application that is dependent on the interrupt/event timing characteristics of Windows can produce high fidelity FSK RTTY. Many (myself included) believe that the best RTTY FSK signals can be achieved by "outsourcing" RTTY timing to a separate processor -- which is exactly what TinySK achieves by running on an external Arduino board. Then the problem becomes "well, can my RTTY program (MMTTY in this case) talk to a TinyFSK board?" Up until now MMTTY operating stand-alone had no interface to TinyFSK. This new modem definition file from Oba JA7UDE provides that interface. For users of other logging programs (like N1MM, DXLabs WinWarbler) where the developers had previously written work-arounds that could interface from MMTTY to TinyFSK, this work by JA7UDE may simplify the plumbing and configuration of a TinyFSK connection. Finally, the last question becomes "well, what do I need to get this working?" If you google "tinyfsk by K0SM" you will see many websites (selfishly -- including my own www.mortty.info/mortty ) devoted to connecting your PC's USB port to an Arduino board with supporting hardware. """" Additionally, Joe W4TV added that there are commercial devices available from several companies, most notably microHAM, which also "outsource" FSK RTTY timing to their external processors. -larry (K8UT) ------ Original Message ------ From: "brian" To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Sent: 2018-08-30 15:35:32 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S fsk with usb >Rich, > >I seem to recall that the serial port needed for FSK generally cannot >come from the run of the mill USB/RS232 converters. They can't operate >at 45 baud/5 bit rate needed. > >See: http://aa5au.com/GettingStartedOnRtty.pdf > >This is old info and things may have changed. > >So what does a guy who has only USB ports do other than AFSK? I >thought that was his question. > >73 de Brian/K3KO > >On 8/30/2018 18:19 PM, Richard Ferch wrote: >>To transmit FSK from N1MM+/MMTTY with a K3 or K3S, you need: (a) some >>kind >>of serial port-based keying interface; and (b) a cable from the keying >>interface to the 15-pin ACC port on the back of the K3/K3S (pin 1 is >>the >>FSK keying input). >> >>The serial port used for FSK keying by MMTTY must be a different >>serial >>port from the port used by N1MM+ for radio control. The two programs >>cannot >>share the same serial port. >> >>The serial port interface can be a one-transistor keying circuit >>connected >>to a true serial port, or the same kind of interface connected to a >>USB-to-serial adapter with the help of the EXTFSK plugin in MMTTY, or >>a USB >>device that incorporates both a virtual serial port and a keying >>circuit, >>such as a commercially available keying interface (e.g. microHam, >>RigExpert, ...), or a TinyFSK (either with a special plugin for MMTTY >>or >>used directly from N1MM+). >> >>In principle, an RTTY program could use radio control commands to key >>FSK >>via the USB cable to the radio, but none of the RTTY modems supported >>by >>N1MM+ (including MMTTY) use this method. It should be possible to >>program >>CAT1ASC macros into the N1MM+ function keys to implement this >>approach, but >>I don't know whether anyone has tried this. There are a number of >>people >>who have used a similar approach for keying CW from N1MM+ with the KX2 >>and >>KX3, and offhand I cannot think of a reason why it would not also work >>in >>FSK RTTY, but I have never tried it. Just as in CW, there are likely >>to be >>some features of N1MM+ that work with more traditional methods but >>that >>wouldn't work using this unsupported method. >> >>73, >>Rich VE3KI >> >> >>PD1RP wrote: >> >>I want to do FSK with my K3S. >>N1MM and MMTTY. >>The USB cable i used it for radio control. >>What kind of cable do i need for FSK or can i used the USB cable also. >>Any suggestions are welcome. >>______________________________________________________________ >>Elecraft mailing list >>Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >>This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>Message delivered to alsopb at comcast.net >> >>--- >>This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. >>https://www.avg.com >> >______________________________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >Message delivered to k8ut at charter.net From mjwetzel at comcast.net Thu Aug 30 17:41:32 2018 From: mjwetzel at comcast.net (Mike Wetzel) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2018 17:41:32 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Pig Knob for sale Message-ID: <12BE30D80522418EA7D56689CBDA4958@rockne> Has VFO and 8 programmable buttons (poor man's K-Pod). In excellent condition - hardly used - shipped to your door in the lower 48 for $35.00. Address good in QRZ. Mike W9RE From gerry at w1ve.com Thu Aug 30 20:20:57 2018 From: gerry at w1ve.com (Gerry Hull) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2018 20:20:57 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] [K3 Remote] TERM Mode no longer persists? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hey Rick, The TERM message should always be transitory. If it is not, you have an RS-232 control problem (like the null-modem issue). Check all your cables. In 100% of the times I've seen this issue, it's a loose connector or a mismatched cable 73 Gerry Hull, W1VE Hancock, NH USA Trustee, VY1AAA YT Remote On Thu, Aug 30, 2018 at 1:50 PM Rick Tavan wrote: > I seem to be suffering a recurrence of a very old problem (years ago) for > which I don't recall the solution: > > I have a real K3 at the control site, controlling a K3 at the remote site > via RRC-1258 MkII boxes. I have a mechanical D-SUB 9 pin switch to route > the control site K3 serial port to either a local computer or the RRC. When > routed to the RRC and operating normally, when I turn on the K3 it begins > to show its power-on banner in the VFO B area, then mid-way through that > scroll detects that it's in TERM mode with an RRC connected, powers up the > remote K3, and all is well. However, that doesn't seem to be working now. > The control K3 comes up and fails to detect the RRC. The power-on banner > for the control K3 completes its scroll and the radio operates locally. I > think it is slipping out of TERM mode. I can force it back into TERM mode > with a long hold of the CONFIG button, but then it never turns on the > remote radio. If I turn off the control K3 and then back on, it apparently > has forgotten it was in TERM mode. > > Any advice? > > Thanks, > > /Rick N6XI > -- > > Rick Tavan > Truckee, CA > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to gerry at w1ve.com > From nr4c at widomaker.com Thu Aug 30 20:22:35 2018 From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2018 20:22:35 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S fsk with usb In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7A5B19C9-422F-44C4-AA5D-ACD95DAD2FD2@widomaker.com> I believe that FSK uses the TX signal on a serial port and is connected to a pin on the DE15 ACC2 port on the K3(S). Sent from my iPhone ...nr4c. bill > On Aug 30, 2018, at 2:19 PM, Richard Ferch wrote: > > To transmit FSK from N1MM+/MMTTY with a K3 or K3S, you need: (a) some kind > of serial port-based keying interface; and (b) a cable from the keying > interface to the 15-pin ACC port on the back of the K3/K3S (pin 1 is the > FSK keying input). > > The serial port used for FSK keying by MMTTY must be a different serial > port from the port used by N1MM+ for radio control. The two programs cannot > share the same serial port. > > The serial port interface can be a one-transistor keying circuit connected > to a true serial port, or the same kind of interface connected to a > USB-to-serial adapter with the help of the EXTFSK plugin in MMTTY, or a USB > device that incorporates both a virtual serial port and a keying circuit, > such as a commercially available keying interface (e.g. microHam, > RigExpert, ...), or a TinyFSK (either with a special plugin for MMTTY or > used directly from N1MM+). > > In principle, an RTTY program could use radio control commands to key FSK > via the USB cable to the radio, but none of the RTTY modems supported by > N1MM+ (including MMTTY) use this method. It should be possible to program > CAT1ASC macros into the N1MM+ function keys to implement this approach, but > I don't know whether anyone has tried this. There are a number of people > who have used a similar approach for keying CW from N1MM+ with the KX2 and > KX3, and offhand I cannot think of a reason why it would not also work in > FSK RTTY, but I have never tried it. Just as in CW, there are likely to be > some features of N1MM+ that work with more traditional methods but that > wouldn't work using this unsupported method. > > 73, > Rich VE3KI > > > PD1RP wrote: > > I want to do FSK with my K3S. > N1MM and MMTTY. > The USB cable i used it for radio control. > What kind of cable do i need for FSK or can i used the USB cable also. > Any suggestions are welcome. > ______________________________________________________________ From ab4iq at comcast.net Thu Aug 30 21:03:52 2018 From: ab4iq at comcast.net (AB4IQ) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2018 20:03:52 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S fsk with usb In-Reply-To: <7A5B19C9-422F-44C4-AA5D-ACD95DAD2FD2@widomaker.com> References: <7A5B19C9-422F-44C4-AA5D-ACD95DAD2FD2@widomaker.com> Message-ID: <00ac01d440c6$7c224530$7466cf90$@comcast.net> I have a RigExpert TI-8 and Cable for the K3S that I bought new that does FSK with a built in Winkeyer as well. I thought I would use it on the K3S but instead I just went the USB route and do AFSK. It's still setting in the box looking lonely. I also have cables for the Ten Tec Orion II, and Kenwood 590SG which I have parted with recently and probably need to get rid of this much needed (Ya Right) stuff. Hi.. The USB route was the simplest and does all of the sound card modes. Ed.. AB4IQ -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Nr4c Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2018 7:23 PM To: Richard Ferch Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S fsk with usb I believe that FSK uses the TX signal on a serial port and is connected to a pin on the DE15 ACC2 port on the K3(S). Sent from my iPhone ...nr4c. bill > On Aug 30, 2018, at 2:19 PM, Richard Ferch wrote: > > To transmit FSK from N1MM+/MMTTY with a K3 or K3S, you need: (a) some > kind of serial port-based keying interface; and (b) a cable from the > keying interface to the 15-pin ACC port on the back of the K3/K3S (pin > 1 is the FSK keying input). > > The serial port used for FSK keying by MMTTY must be a different > serial port from the port used by N1MM+ for radio control. The two > programs cannot share the same serial port. > > The serial port interface can be a one-transistor keying circuit > connected to a true serial port, or the same kind of interface > connected to a USB-to-serial adapter with the help of the EXTFSK > plugin in MMTTY, or a USB device that incorporates both a virtual > serial port and a keying circuit, such as a commercially available > keying interface (e.g. microHam, RigExpert, ...), or a TinyFSK (either > with a special plugin for MMTTY or used directly from N1MM+). > > In principle, an RTTY program could use radio control commands to key > FSK via the USB cable to the radio, but none of the RTTY modems > supported by > N1MM+ (including MMTTY) use this method. It should be possible to > N1MM+ program > CAT1ASC macros into the N1MM+ function keys to implement this > approach, but I don't know whether anyone has tried this. There are a > number of people who have used a similar approach for keying CW from > N1MM+ with the KX2 and KX3, and offhand I cannot think of a reason why > it would not also work in FSK RTTY, but I have never tried it. Just as > in CW, there are likely to be some features of N1MM+ that work with > more traditional methods but that wouldn't work using this unsupported method. > > 73, > Rich VE3KI > > > PD1RP wrote: > > I want to do FSK with my K3S. > N1MM and MMTTY. > The USB cable i used it for radio control. > What kind of cable do i need for FSK or can i used the USB cable also. > Any suggestions are welcome. > ______________________________________________________________ ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to ab4iq at comcast.net From ericrosenberg.dc at gmail.com Thu Aug 30 21:38:50 2018 From: ericrosenberg.dc at gmail.com (Eric Rosenberg) Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2018 01:38:50 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] K-POD labels Message-ID: Brother P-Touch labels fit between the K-POD function buttons. The best is TZ-211, 6 mm (1/4"). The next larger size, TZ-221, 9mm, (3/8") is just a hair too tight for me. Both are black print over a white background (which covers the F Key label on the K-POD. There are lots of choices of both background and type colors. Magnets did not work for me for two reasons. The narrowest magnetic tape is 1/2", which requires trimming. More of an issue is that the magnet isn't strong enough to stay in place in the K-POD. GL & 73, Eric W3DQ Washington, DC From k9yeq at live.com Thu Aug 30 21:46:10 2018 From: k9yeq at live.com (Bill Johnson) Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2018 01:46:10 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] K-POD labels In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks for that infor, Eric. Won't bother with P-Touch for that. 73, Bill K9YEQ https://wrj-tech.com/ -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of Eric Rosenberg Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2018 8:39 PM To: elecraft at mailman net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K-POD labels Brother P-Touch labels fit between the K-POD function buttons. The best is TZ-211, 6 mm (1/4"). The next larger size, TZ-221, 9mm, (3/8") is just a hair too tight for me. Both are black print over a white background (which covers the F Key label on the K-POD. There are lots of choices of both background and type colors. Magnets did not work for me for two reasons. The narrowest magnetic tape is 1/2", which requires trimming. More of an issue is that the magnet isn't strong enough to stay in place in the K-POD. GL & 73, Eric W3DQ Washington, DC ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to k9yeq at live.com From lists at w2irt.net Thu Aug 30 21:53:46 2018 From: lists at w2irt.net (Peter W2IRT) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2018 21:53:46 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S fsk with usb In-Reply-To: <00ac01d440c6$7c224530$7466cf90$@comcast.net> References: <7A5B19C9-422F-44C4-AA5D-ACD95DAD2FD2@widomaker.com> <00ac01d440c6$7c224530$7466cf90$@comcast.net> Message-ID: <00f001d440cd$75b29c20$6117d460$@net> I went a similar route with a MicroKeyer MK-II. Does the job very well, but it makes disconnecting and re-connecting the radio a cast iron bear of a job. I really want to replace the MK-II with another (simpler) solution for FSK, CW keying, SSB voice file sequencing and CAT control, and was thinking the combination of a Y-box and an S-box-USB would do the job. The problem being the MK-II is RFI-susceptible, and the software has eaten itself on several occasions over the past few years. - pjd -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of AB4IQ Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2018 9:04 PM To: 'Nr4c'; 'Richard Ferch' Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S fsk with usb I have a RigExpert TI-8 and Cable for the K3S that I bought new that does FSK with a built in Winkeyer as well. I thought I would use it on the K3S but instead I just went the USB route and do AFSK. It's still setting in the box looking lonely. I also have cables for the Ten Tec Orion II, and Kenwood 590SG which I have parted with recently and probably need to get rid of this much needed (Ya Right) stuff. Hi.. The USB route was the simplest and does all of the sound card modes. Ed.. AB4IQ From n6tv at arrl.net Thu Aug 30 23:30:11 2018 From: n6tv at arrl.net (Bob Wilson, N6TV) Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2018 20:30:11 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S fsk with usb In-Reply-To: <00f001d440cd$75b29c20$6117d460$@net> References: <7A5B19C9-422F-44C4-AA5D-ACD95DAD2FD2@widomaker.com> <00ac01d440c6$7c224530$7466cf90$@comcast.net> <00f001d440cd$75b29c20$6117d460$@net> Message-ID: Yes the S-BOX is designed to key FSK and PTT on a K3 ACC port, providing the traditional NPN keying circuit, with no Y-BOX required (though it may be convenient to have as well, depending on what else you need to connect to the K3 ACC port). Straight 9-pin and 15-pin D-SUB cables handle everything, no need to use the S-BOX RCA connectors if you have a K3 or K3S. There are four independent keying circuits inside the S-BOX, so you can key FSK on two radios with the one box, or CW/PTT on one and FSK/PTT on the other, if you like. See these links for a sample connection diagram and schematics: https://www.kkn.net/~n6tv/S-BOX/Features.html#RemoteHams https://www.kkn.net/~n6tv/S-BOX/Features.html#SO2RRTTY Many other configurations are possible. If you use a USB-to-Serial device by Edgeport, MMTTY can open open the serial port directly at 45.5 baud Baudot. If you use one based on FTDI, such as the one built-in to the S-BOX-USB, you need to use EXTFSK or EXTFSK64 with MMTTY since MMTTY standalone cannot open these directly at 45.5 baud. The K3 produces very clean FSK. AFSK can also work but there is more potential for RFI problems and getting the audio levels set just right. 73, Bob, N6TV https://bit.ly/S-BOX On Thu, Aug 30, 2018 at 6:53 PM, Peter W2IRT wrote: > I went a similar route with a MicroKeyer MK-II. Does the job very well, > but it > makes disconnecting and re-connecting the radio a cast iron bear of a job. > I > really want to replace the MK-II with another (simpler) solution for FSK, > CW > keying, SSB voice file sequencing and CAT control, and was thinking the > combination of a Y-box and an S-box-USB would do the job. The problem > being the > MK-II is RFI-susceptible, and the software has eaten itself on several > occasions > over the past few years. > > - pjd > > > -----Original Message----- > From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-bounces@ > mailman.qth.net] > On Behalf Of AB4IQ > Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2018 9:04 PM > To: 'Nr4c'; 'Richard Ferch' > Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S fsk with usb > > I have a RigExpert TI-8 and Cable for the K3S that I bought new that does > FSK with a built in Winkeyer as well. I thought I would use it on the K3S > but instead I just went the USB route and do AFSK. It's still setting in > the box looking lonely. I also have cables for the Ten Tec Orion II, and > Kenwood 590SG which I have parted with recently and probably need to get > rid > of this much needed (Ya Right) stuff. Hi.. > > The USB route was the simplest and does all of the sound card modes. > > Ed.. AB4IQ > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to n6tv at arrl.net > From qwert037 at gmail.com Fri Aug 31 02:17:56 2018 From: qwert037 at gmail.com (Peter B) Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2018 08:17:56 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S fsk with usb In-Reply-To: References: <7A5B19C9-422F-44C4-AA5D-ACD95DAD2FD2@widomaker.com> <00ac01d440c6$7c224530$7466cf90$@comcast.net> <00f001d440cd$75b29c20$6117d460$@net> Message-ID: Thanks to everyone for the help and info. It help me a lot to get things done the whe i wanted. 73s Peter/pd1rp Op vr 31 aug. 2018 om 05:31 schreef Bob Wilson, N6TV > Yes the S-BOX is designed to key FSK and PTT on a K3 ACC port, providing > the traditional NPN keying circuit, with no Y-BOX required (though it may > be convenient to have as well, depending on what else you need to connect > to the K3 ACC port). Straight 9-pin and 15-pin D-SUB cables handle > everything, no need to use the S-BOX RCA connectors if you have a K3 or > K3S. There are four independent keying circuits inside the S-BOX, so you > can key FSK on two radios with the one box, or CW/PTT on one and FSK/PTT on > the other, if you like. > > See these links for a sample connection diagram and schematics: > > https://www.kkn.net/~n6tv/S-BOX/Features.html#RemoteHams > > https://www.kkn.net/~n6tv/S-BOX/Features.html#SO2RRTTY > > Many other configurations are possible. > > If you use a USB-to-Serial device by Edgeport, MMTTY can open open the > serial port directly at 45.5 baud Baudot. If you use one based on FTDI, > such as the one built-in to the S-BOX-USB, you need to use EXTFSK or > EXTFSK64 with MMTTY since MMTTY standalone cannot open these directly at > 45.5 baud. > > The K3 produces very clean FSK. AFSK can also work but there is more > potential for RFI problems and getting the audio levels set just right. > > 73, > Bob, N6TV > https://bit.ly/S-BOX > > On Thu, Aug 30, 2018 at 6:53 PM, Peter W2IRT wrote: > > > I went a similar route with a MicroKeyer MK-II. Does the job very well, > > but it > > makes disconnecting and re-connecting the radio a cast iron bear of a > job. > > I > > really want to replace the MK-II with another (simpler) solution for FSK, > > CW > > keying, SSB voice file sequencing and CAT control, and was thinking the > > combination of a Y-box and an S-box-USB would do the job. The problem > > being the > > MK-II is RFI-susceptible, and the software has eaten itself on several > > occasions > > over the past few years. > > > > - pjd > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-bounces@ > > mailman.qth.net] > > On Behalf Of AB4IQ > > Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2018 9:04 PM > > To: 'Nr4c'; 'Richard Ferch' > > Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S fsk with usb > > > > I have a RigExpert TI-8 and Cable for the K3S that I bought new that does > > FSK with a built in Winkeyer as well. I thought I would use it on the > K3S > > but instead I just went the USB route and do AFSK. It's still setting in > > the box looking lonely. I also have cables for the Ten Tec Orion II, and > > Kenwood 590SG which I have parted with recently and probably need to get > > rid > > of this much needed (Ya Right) stuff. Hi.. > > > > The USB route was the simplest and does all of the sound card modes. > > > > Ed.. AB4IQ > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > > Elecraft mailing list > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > Message delivered to n6tv at arrl.net > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to qwert037 at gmail.com > From alsopb at comcast.net Fri Aug 31 08:50:01 2018 From: alsopb at comcast.net (brian) Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2018 12:50:01 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S fsk with usb In-Reply-To: References: <7A5B19C9-422F-44C4-AA5D-ACD95DAD2FD2@widomaker.com> <00ac01d440c6$7c224530$7466cf90$@comcast.net> <00f001d440cd$75b29c20$6117d460$@net> Message-ID: <5B893979.60109@comcast.net> I think this is interesting. Things have gone in a circle and paralleled what happened to CW. The solution to CW timing problems was WINKEY. Now we are doing the same with RTTY. This isn't new. HAL and others have had stand alone boxes mirroring this for ages. You sent the ASCII character text stream to it and it generates the precisely timed RTTY signals (either FSK or AFSK) along with PTT. The ASCII string can be somewhat ill timed. I still use HAL's DXP-38. No sound card /operating system quirks to deal with. I can understand wires. Of course, you need some program to generate the ASCII string and send it to the hardware box. Nothing is really new under the sun. 73 de Brian/K3KO On 8/31/2018 6:17 AM, Peter B wrote: > Thanks to everyone for the help and info. > It help me a lot to get things done the whe i wanted. > 73s > Peter/pd1rp > > > Op vr 31 aug. 2018 om 05:31 schreef Bob Wilson, N6TV > >> Yes the S-BOX is designed to key FSK and PTT on a K3 ACC port, providing >> the traditional NPN keying circuit, with no Y-BOX required (though it may >> be convenient to have as well, depending on what else you need to connect >> to the K3 ACC port). Straight 9-pin and 15-pin D-SUB cables handle >> everything, no need to use the S-BOX RCA connectors if you have a K3 or >> K3S. There are four independent keying circuits inside the S-BOX, so you >> can key FSK on two radios with the one box, or CW/PTT on one and FSK/PTT on >> the other, if you like. >> >> See these links for a sample connection diagram and schematics: >> >> https://www.kkn.net/~n6tv/S-BOX/Features.html#RemoteHams >> >> https://www.kkn.net/~n6tv/S-BOX/Features.html#SO2RRTTY >> >> Many other configurations are possible. >> >> If you use a USB-to-Serial device by Edgeport, MMTTY can open open the >> serial port directly at 45.5 baud Baudot. If you use one based on FTDI, >> such as the one built-in to the S-BOX-USB, you need to use EXTFSK or >> EXTFSK64 with MMTTY since MMTTY standalone cannot open these directly at >> 45.5 baud. >> >> The K3 produces very clean FSK. AFSK can also work but there is more >> potential for RFI problems and getting the audio levels set just right. >> >> 73, >> Bob, N6TV >> https://bit.ly/S-BOX >> >> On Thu, Aug 30, 2018 at 6:53 PM, Peter W2IRT wrote: >> >>> I went a similar route with a MicroKeyer MK-II. Does the job very well, >>> but it >>> makes disconnecting and re-connecting the radio a cast iron bear of a >> job. >>> I >>> really want to replace the MK-II with another (simpler) solution for FSK, >>> CW >>> keying, SSB voice file sequencing and CAT control, and was thinking the >>> combination of a Y-box and an S-box-USB would do the job. The problem >>> being the >>> MK-II is RFI-susceptible, and the software has eaten itself on several >>> occasions >>> over the past few years. >>> >>> - pjd >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-bounces@ >>> mailman.qth.net] >>> On Behalf Of AB4IQ >>> Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2018 9:04 PM >>> To: 'Nr4c'; 'Richard Ferch' >>> Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S fsk with usb >>> >>> I have a RigExpert TI-8 and Cable for the K3S that I bought new that does >>> FSK with a built in Winkeyer as well. I thought I would use it on the >> K3S >>> but instead I just went the USB route and do AFSK. It's still setting in >>> the box looking lonely. I also have cables for the Ten Tec Orion II, and >>> Kenwood 590SG which I have parted with recently and probably need to get >>> rid >>> of this much needed (Ya Right) stuff. Hi.. >>> >>> The USB route was the simplest and does all of the sound card modes. >>> >>> Ed.. AB4IQ >>> >>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to n6tv at arrl.net >>> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to qwert037 at gmail.com >> > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to alsopb at comcast.net > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. > https://www.avg.com > From indians at xsmail.com Fri Aug 31 09:36:29 2018 From: indians at xsmail.com (Petr, OK1RP/M0SIS) Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2018 06:36:29 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Elecraft] KAT1 f/w revision Message-ID: <1535722589636-0.post@n2.nabble.com> Hi all, I noticed that U1 chip in KAT1 atu module for son's K1 which I purchased last week has label f/w 1.3 otherwise my own K1 has on KAT1 chip label 1.10 (if I am right). Is it possible to get latest f/w rev. (download the code) or get the latest rev. chip or even better say is it necessary? Maybe if there is somewhere list of revisions changes then it will help... Thanks for hint. ----- 73 - Petr, OK1RP "Apple & Elecraft freak" B:http://ok1rp.blogspot.com G+:http://goo.gl/w3u2s9 G+: http://goo.gl/gP99xq -- Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ From frantz at pwpconsult.com Fri Aug 31 09:44:31 2018 From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz) Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2018 06:44:31 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Why Black Message-ID: On 8/30/18 at 5:31 AM, glcazzola at alice.it (IK4EWX) wrote: >... Here the problem is the black face of KPOD. I have had problems reading the labels on my K3 in dark rooms and tents. I wonder why most radio available today are black. In the old days, the Collins and Heathkit radios weren't black. It would seem that black letters on a light background would be more visible under low light conditions. It would also liven up the shack. 73 Bill AE6JV ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz | Concurrency is hard. 12 out | Periwinkle (408)356-8506 | 10 programmers get it wrong. | 16345 Englewood Ave www.pwpconsult.com | - Jeff Frantz | Los Gatos, CA 95032 From frantz at pwpconsult.com Fri Aug 31 09:44:31 2018 From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz) Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2018 06:44:31 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S fsk with usb In-Reply-To: Message-ID: In contest mode, RUMlogNG (for the Macintosh) uses the cat commands (probably KY and TB) to send and receive RTTY (and CW and probably PSK). This places all timing responsibility on the K3 with no additional wires, boxes, or circuits. There are a couple of "features" which are somewhat annoying: (1) While you can chain sends in CW, chaining doesn't work in RTTY (very annoying). (2) You have to turn off decode display on the P3/SVGA to get complete copy. 73 Bill AE6JV On 8/30/18 at 11:19 AM, ve3iay at gmail.com (Richard Ferch) wrote: >In principle, an RTTY program could use radio control commands to key FSK >via the USB cable to the radio, but none of the RTTY modems supported by >N1MM+ (including MMTTY) use this method. It should be possible to program >CAT1ASC macros into the N1MM+ function keys to implement this approach, but >I don't know whether anyone has tried this. There are a number of people >who have used a similar approach for keying CW from N1MM+ with the KX2 and >KX3, and offhand I cannot think of a reason why it would not also work in >FSK RTTY, but I have never tried it. Just as in CW, there are likely to be >some features of N1MM+ that work with more traditional methods but that >wouldn't work using this unsupported method. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz | When an old person dies, a | Periwinkle (408)356-8506 | library burns. - Joe McGawon | 16345 Englewood Ave www.pwpconsult.com | Irish Ethnographer | Los Gatos, CA 95032 From radio.ku8l at gmail.com Fri Aug 31 09:51:37 2018 From: radio.ku8l at gmail.com (Curt Nixon) Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2018 09:51:37 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Why Black In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49938a3d-aa94-ab79-8928-0188e8c3a4f8@gmail.com> I think it was a trend started in the Consumer Electronics market. Audio stuff was never black.? Except the black glass McIntosh equip.? Others began emulating the high end of the market to instill a "touch of class".? Sony, Yamaha, Denton, etc all followed suit. Most were always bright face prior. Curt KU8L On 08/31/18 9:44 AM, Bill Frantz wrote: > On 8/30/18 at 5:31 AM, glcazzola at alice.it (IK4EWX) wrote: > >> ... Here the problem is the black face of KPOD. > > I have had problems reading the labels on my K3 in dark rooms and > tents. I wonder why most radio available today are black. In the old > days, the Collins and Heathkit radios weren't black. It would seem > that black letters on a light background would be more visible under > low light conditions. It would also liven up the shack. > > 73 Bill AE6JV > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Bill Frantz??????? | Concurrency is hard. 12 out? | Periwinkle > (408)356-8506????? | 10 programmers get it wrong. | 16345 Englewood Ave > www.pwpconsult.com |??????????????? - Jeff Frantz | Los Gatos, CA 95032 > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to radio.ku8l at gmail.com From donwilh at embarqmail.com Fri Aug 31 09:51:59 2018 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2018 09:51:59 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KAT1 f/w revision In-Reply-To: <1535722589636-0.post@n2.nabble.com> References: <1535722589636-0.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: Petr, The latest KAT1 firmware is 1.3 and can be purchased from Elecraft as FWKAT1. The price is $29.95 plus shipping. Since the Elecraft firmware is proprietary, and for the classic gear is only available as a programmed IC, there is no download available. 73, Don W3FPR On 8/31/2018 9:36 AM, Petr, OK1RP/M0SIS wrote: > Hi all, > > I noticed that U1 chip in KAT1 atu module for son's K1 which I purchased > last week has label f/w 1.3 otherwise my own K1 has on KAT1 chip label 1.10 > (if I am right). > Is it possible to get latest f/w rev. (download the code) or get the latest > rev. chip or even better say is it necessary? Maybe if there is somewhere > list of revisions changes then it will help... > > Thanks for hint. > > > > ----- > 73 - Petr, OK1RP > "Apple & Elecraft freak" > B:http://ok1rp.blogspot.com > G+:http://goo.gl/w3u2s9 > G+: http://goo.gl/gP99xq > -- > Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to donwilh at embarqmail.com > From graziano at roccon.com Fri Aug 31 11:38:53 2018 From: graziano at roccon.com (Graziano Roccon IW2NOY) Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2018 17:38:53 +0200 Subject: [Elecraft] KAT1 f/w revision In-Reply-To: References: <1535722589636-0.post@n2.nabble.com> Message-ID: <65f091b1-4916-4130-b4a9-551f502f8e9f@roccon.com> Hello, Sorry for disturb but... What are difference between the releases? Thanks, best regards, Graziano IW2NOY ?Inviato da BlueMail ? Il giorno 31 ago 2018 15:55, alle ore 15:55, Don Wilhelm ha scritto: >Petr, > >The latest KAT1 firmware is 1.3 and can be purchased from Elecraft as >FWKAT1. The price is $29.95 plus shipping. >Since the Elecraft firmware is proprietary, and for the classic gear is > >only available as a programmed IC, there is no download available. > >73, >Don W3FPR > >On 8/31/2018 9:36 AM, Petr, OK1RP/M0SIS wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> I noticed that U1 chip in KAT1 atu module for son's K1 which I >purchased >> last week has label f/w 1.3 otherwise my own K1 has on KAT1 chip >label 1.10 >> (if I am right). >> Is it possible to get latest f/w rev. (download the code) or get the >latest >> rev. chip or even better say is it necessary? Maybe if there is >somewhere >> list of revisions changes then it will help... >> >> Thanks for hint. >> >> >> >> ----- >> 73 - Petr, OK1RP >> "Apple & Elecraft freak" >> B:http://ok1rp.blogspot.com >> G+:http://goo.gl/w3u2s9 >> G+: http://goo.gl/gP99xq >> -- >> Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to donwilh at embarqmail.com >> >______________________________________________________________ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >Message delivered to graziano at roccon.com From c-hawley at illinois.edu Fri Aug 31 12:38:23 2018 From: c-hawley at illinois.edu (hawley, charles j jr) Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2018 16:38:23 +0000 Subject: [Elecraft] Why Black In-Reply-To: <49938a3d-aa94-ab79-8928-0188e8c3a4f8@gmail.com> References: , <49938a3d-aa94-ab79-8928-0188e8c3a4f8@gmail.com> Message-ID: Black is easier to touch up if necessary. And it looks uniform with other brands of items which are also black. Chuck KE9UW c-hawley at illinois.edu Sent from my iPad > On Aug 31, 2018, at 8:51 AM, Curt Nixon wrote: > > I think it was a trend started in the Consumer Electronics market. Audio stuff was never black. Except the black glass McIntosh equip. Others began emulating the high end of the market to instill a "touch of class". Sony, Yamaha, Denton, etc all followed suit. Most were always bright face prior. > > Curt > KU8L > >> On 08/31/18 9:44 AM, Bill Frantz wrote: >>> On 8/30/18 at 5:31 AM, glcazzola at alice.it (IK4EWX) wrote: >>> >>> ... Here the problem is the black face of KPOD. >> >> I have had problems reading the labels on my K3 in dark rooms and tents. I wonder why most radio available today are black. In the old days, the Collins and Heathkit radios weren't black. It would seem that black letters on a light background would be more visible under low light conditions. It would also liven up the shack. >> >> 73 Bill AE6JV >> >> ----------------------------------------------------------------------- >> Bill Frantz | Concurrency is hard. 12 out | Periwinkle >> (408)356-8506 | 10 programmers get it wrong. | 16345 Englewood Ave >> www.pwpconsult.com | - Jeff Frantz | Los Gatos, CA 95032 >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to radio.ku8l at gmail.com > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to c-hawley at illinois.edu From phystad at mac.com Fri Aug 31 12:49:26 2018 From: phystad at mac.com (Phil Hystad) Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2018 09:49:26 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Why Black In-Reply-To: References: <49938a3d-aa94-ab79-8928-0188e8c3a4f8@gmail.com> Message-ID: I started the trend of black :-). Back in the early 1960s, my home-brew dual-811 linear and its power supply both had black wrinkle 19 inch rack cabinet front panels. Also, I built a SSB exciter that also had black wrinkle 19 inch rack front panel. I even had the black wrinkle rack cabinet to go with these rigs. A big black tower of equipment -- well 48 inches high. 73, phil, K7PEH > On Aug 31, 2018, at 9:38 AM, hawley, charles j jr wrote: > > Black is easier to touch up if necessary. And it looks uniform with other brands of items which are also black. > > Chuck KE9UW > c-hawley at illinois.edu > > Sent from my iPad > >> On Aug 31, 2018, at 8:51 AM, Curt Nixon wrote: >> >> I think it was a trend started in the Consumer Electronics market. Audio stuff was never black. Except the black glass McIntosh equip. Others began emulating the high end of the market to instill a "touch of class". Sony, Yamaha, Denton, etc all followed suit. Most were always bright face prior. >> >> Curt >> KU8L >> >>> On 08/31/18 9:44 AM, Bill Frantz wrote: >>>> On 8/30/18 at 5:31 AM, glcazzola at alice.it (IK4EWX) wrote: >>>> >>>> ... Here the problem is the black face of KPOD. >>> >>> I have had problems reading the labels on my K3 in dark rooms and tents. I wonder why most radio available today are black. In the old days, the Collins and Heathkit radios weren't black. It would seem that black letters on a light background would be more visible under low light conditions. It would also liven up the shack. >>> >>> 73 Bill AE6JV >>> >>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> Bill Frantz | Concurrency is hard. 12 out | Periwinkle >>> (408)356-8506 | 10 programmers get it wrong. | 16345 Englewood Ave >>> www.pwpconsult.com | - Jeff Frantz | Los Gatos, CA 95032 >>> >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Elecraft mailing list >>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >>> >>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >>> Message delivered to radio.ku8l at gmail.com >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> Message delivered to c-hawley at illinois.edu > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to phystad at mac.com From ghyoungman at gmail.com Fri Aug 31 13:07:49 2018 From: ghyoungman at gmail.com (Grant Youngman) Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2018 13:07:49 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Why Black In-Reply-To: References: <49938a3d-aa94-ab79-8928-0188e8c3a4f8@gmail.com> Message-ID: <658BBFEB-FCB1-4A11-9687-6285414FA87F@gmail.com> Almost everything was black (mostly wrinkle) at one time. The A-line Collins radios, while technically not black, were black enough. One of the problems with ?decorator colors? is matching paint from batch to batch. Heathkit SB-line radios were ?Heath green?, but they were not terribly careful about matching. So if you got two cabinets painted in different lots, odds are the greens weren?t quite the same. I think WRL ?gray? was also a variety of shades, some tending towards greenish. It wouldn?t necessarily be obvious in a standalone situation, but when you lined up the cabinets the color differences could really stick out. I remember that my 1970?s SB-640 external VFO was way off from the SB-102 I?d built a couple of years earlier ? both front panel color and cabinet color. You can always pay the price for a Hilberling, since the PT-8000A is available in quite a few different colors, and the Sienna from DZKit, too :-) Grant NQ5T K3 #2091 KX3 #8342 > On Aug 31, 2018, at 12:38 PM, hawley, charles j jr wrote: > > Black is easier to touch up if necessary. And it looks uniform with other brands of items which are also black. > > Chuck KE9UW > c-hawley at illinois.edu > > Sent from my iPad > From k6dgw at foothill.net Fri Aug 31 14:05:51 2018 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2018 11:05:51 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Why Black In-Reply-To: <658BBFEB-FCB1-4A11-9687-6285414FA87F@gmail.com> References: <49938a3d-aa94-ab79-8928-0188e8c3a4f8@gmail.com> <658BBFEB-FCB1-4A11-9687-6285414FA87F@gmail.com> Message-ID: It's for heat radiation.? Basic thermodynamics ... black body radiation.? Just took awhile to figure it out. [:=)? I've wondered when the black crackle finish fell out of fashion. 73, Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW Sparks NV DM09dn Washoe County K3 #642 On 8/31/2018 10:07 AM, Grant Youngman wrote: > Almost everything was black (mostly wrinkle) at one time. The A-line Collins radios, while technically not black, were black enough. > > One of the problems with ?decorator colors? is matching paint from batch to batch. Heathkit SB-line radios were ?Heath green?, but they were not terribly careful about matching. So if you got two cabinets painted in different lots, odds are the greens weren?t quite the same. I think WRL ?gray? was also a variety of shades, some tending towards greenish. It wouldn?t necessarily be obvious in a standalone situation, but when you lined up the cabinets the color differences could really stick out. I remember that my 1970?s SB-640 external VFO was way off from the SB-102 I?d built a couple of years earlier ? both front panel color and cabinet color. > > You can always pay the price for a Hilberling, since the PT-8000A is available in quite a few different colors, and the Sienna from DZKit, too :-) > > Grant NQ5T > K3 #2091 KX3 #8342 > From rickw8zt at gmail.com Fri Aug 31 14:47:05 2018 From: rickw8zt at gmail.com (Rick Robinson) Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2018 14:47:05 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Why Black In-Reply-To: References: <49938a3d-aa94-ab79-8928-0188e8c3a4f8@gmail.com> <658BBFEB-FCB1-4A11-9687-6285414FA87F@gmail.com> Message-ID: Remember when computers were mostly all a shade of beige ? VHT makes black krinkle paint available in auto parts stores. Three coat process by spraying in different directions. Looks great. -- Rick Genesis 1-29 From donwilh at embarqmail.com Fri Aug 31 14:52:50 2018 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2018 14:52:50 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] KAT1 f/w revision In-Reply-To: <65f091b1-4916-4130-b4a9-551f502f8e9f@roccon.com> References: <1535722589636-0.post@n2.nabble.com> <65f091b1-4916-4130-b4a9-551f502f8e9f@roccon.com> Message-ID: <9b4bcd68-b937-2477-fe7e-ed5768aad96b@embarqmail.com> Graziano, There is no history of all the firmware upgrades for the Electaft Classic gear. The firmware is provided on programmed ICs, so no download is possible. 73, Don W3FPR On 8/31/2018 11:38 AM, Graziano Roccon IW2NOY wrote: > Hello, > > Sorry for disturb but... What are difference between the releases? > > From eric at elecraft.com Fri Aug 31 15:23:57 2018 From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft) Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2018 12:23:57 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] Why Black In-Reply-To: References: <49938a3d-aa94-ab79-8928-0188e8c3a4f8@gmail.com> <658BBFEB-FCB1-4A11-9687-6285414FA87F@gmail.com> Message-ID: <19146298-debe-918f-f384-c7822429d54e@elecraft.com> Let's end the expanding 'why black' thread now in the interest of relieving email overload for others. 73, Eric Moderator /elecraft.com/ On 8/31/2018 11:47 AM, Rick Robinson wrote: > Remember when computers were mostly all a shade of beige ? VHT makes black > krinkle paint available in auto parts stores. Three coat process by > spraying in different directions. Looks great. From k6dgw at foothill.net Fri Aug 31 18:07:49 2018 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2018 15:07:49 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] P3: Span limits move when changing bands Message-ID: FW: 1.60 Fixed Tune mode No SVGA Connected to K3 RS-232 serial port The "span window" on my P3 will often move up by exactly 5 KHz when I change bands.? For example, on 40 with a 20 KHz span and the span window going from 7020 to 7040, if I go to another band and then come back to 40, the span will now be 7025 to 7045.? Is this normal?? Have I missed a menu option? It does this most of the time, sometimes the span window stays put where I left it.? I think it has some connection to where in the span window the cursor is, but so far, I haven't been able to reverse engineer that.? I'd really like it to retain whatever span window limits I've set for each band. 73, Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW Sparks NV DM09dn Washoe County From scott.manthe at gmail.com Fri Aug 31 18:27:55 2018 From: scott.manthe at gmail.com (Scott Manthe) Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2018 18:27:55 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] WTB: KXAT3 antenna tuner Message-ID: <937467cc-f466-a29e-bcb7-ee3b09472f5d@gmail.com> Hi to the list! Does anyone have a used KXAT3 they'd like to sell? Thanks! Scott N9AA From donwilh at embarqmail.com Fri Aug 31 18:59:18 2018 From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2018 18:59:18 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] P3: Span limits move when changing bands In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3e7add94-4927-6353-c9e2-d729e35204af@embarqmail.com> Skip, The P3 span is the same in both cases (20kHz). If your P3 is set to Tracking mode, you can expect that if your K3 VFO has been changed from 7030kHz to somewhat above that frequency (VFO frequency is always in the middle of the display). If your P3 is in Fixed mode, I believe it should stay fixed to your selected frequency span with no change, but I have not verified that is true. If you are in Fixed mode and it changes, I do not have an answer for that. 73, Don W3FPR On 8/31/2018 6:07 PM, Fred Jensen wrote: > FW: 1.60 > Fixed Tune mode > No SVGA > Connected to K3 RS-232 serial port > > The "span window" on my P3 will often move up by exactly 5 KHz when I > change bands.? For example, on 40 with a 20 KHz span and the span window > going from 7020 to 7040, if I go to another band and then come back to > 40, the span will now be 7025 to 7045.? Is this normal?? Have I missed a > menu option? > > It does this most of the time, sometimes the span window stays put where > I left it.? I think it has some connection to where in the span window > the cursor is, but so far, I haven't been able to reverse engineer > that.? I'd really like it to retain whatever span window limits I've set > for each band. > From kstover at ac0h.net Fri Aug 31 19:17:50 2018 From: kstover at ac0h.net (kstover at ac0h.net) Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2018 18:17:50 -0500 Subject: [Elecraft] Why Black In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <004201d44180$d79543d0$86bfcb70$@ac0h.net> For those of us who are visually challenged black on anything is very tough. The one exception to the rule is computer screens. A black or dark background with light text really helps with the eye strain. I think Elecraft should seriously consider changing the color of the display. Orange background with black text isn't high contrast enough. A black background ala just about everybody else makes the radio easier to see. R. Kevin Stover AC0H ARRL, FISTS, SKCC, NAQCC. "If it doesn't work the first time you push the button it won't work the 20th.Just stop." -----Original Message----- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of Bill Frantz Sent: Friday, August 31, 2018 8:45 AM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] Why Black On 8/30/18 at 5:31 AM, glcazzola at alice.it (IK4EWX) wrote: >... Here the problem is the black face of KPOD. I have had problems reading the labels on my K3 in dark rooms and tents. I wonder why most radio available today are black. In the old days, the Collins and Heathkit radios weren't black. It would seem that black letters on a light background would be more visible under low light conditions. It would also liven up the shack. 73 Bill AE6JV ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz | Concurrency is hard. 12 out | Periwinkle (408)356-8506 | 10 programmers get it wrong. | 16345 Englewood Ave www.pwpconsult.com | - Jeff Frantz | Los Gatos, CA 95032 ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to kstover at ac0h.net From k6dgw at foothill.net Fri Aug 31 20:20:05 2018 From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2018 17:20:05 -0700 Subject: [Elecraft] P3: Span limits move when changing bands In-Reply-To: <3e7add94-4927-6353-c9e2-d729e35204af@embarqmail.com> References: <3e7add94-4927-6353-c9e2-d729e35204af@embarqmail.com> Message-ID: <73643096-2a79-0f22-cf3e-b77e662b1f73@foothill.net> It's in fixed-tune mode.? The span window width stays constant, as it should, it's positioning in the band changes, always by +5 KHz.? Another reply advised in a direct email that this is indeed a "feature" and is related to how the band change is initiated.? I can't think of a reason why it would be useful but it is really just an annoyance.? The P3 is approaching maturity if not already there and perhaps development and firmware updates are becoming less common. Incidentally, I haven't touched the alignment of my K2 since you repaired and aligned it after a u-processor failure several years ago, and it is still performing perfectly. [:=) 73, Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW Sparks NV DM09dn Washoe County On 8/31/2018 3:59 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > Skip, > > The P3 span is the same in both cases (20kHz).? If your P3 is set to > Tracking mode, you can expect that if your K3 VFO has been changed > from 7030kHz to somewhat above that frequency (VFO frequency is always > in the middle of the display). > If your P3 is in Fixed mode, I believe it should stay fixed to your > selected frequency span with no change, but I have not verified that > is true.? If you are in Fixed mode and it changes, I do not have an > answer for that. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 8/31/2018 6:07 PM, Fred Jensen wrote: >> FW: 1.60 >> Fixed Tune mode >> No SVGA >> Connected to K3 RS-232 serial port >> >> The "span window" on my P3 will often move up by exactly 5 KHz when I >> change bands.? For example, on 40 with a 20 KHz span and the span >> window going from 7020 to 7040, if I go to another band and then come >> back to 40, the span will now be 7025 to 7045.? Is this normal?? Have >> I missed a menu option? >> >> It does this most of the time, sometimes the span window stays put >> where I left it.? I think it has some connection to where in the span >> window the cursor is, but so far, I haven't been able to reverse >> engineer that.? I'd really like it to retain whatever span window >> limits I've set for each band. From ardrhi at gmail.com Fri Aug 31 23:53:23 2018 From: ardrhi at gmail.com (Gwen Patton) Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2018 23:53:23 -0400 Subject: [Elecraft] Why Black In-Reply-To: <004201d44180$d79543d0$86bfcb70$@ac0h.net> References: <004201d44180$d79543d0$86bfcb70$@ac0h.net> Message-ID: The issue I have with black items is that EVERYTHING is black these days. Cables are black. Cases are black. Bags are black. Boxes are black. Microphones are black. Handhelds are black (except for Baofeng :P). Rubber duckies are black. When you get a pile of black things it's impossible to find one SPECIFIC shapeless black object among them. Thankfully someone got the idea regarding USB cables, and now they're starting to make them in more visible colors. I'd be able to find the nice bright electric green USB cable, if I could only find the shapeless black bag I put it in because the bag came with the package of cables... 73, Gwen NG3P On Fri, Aug 31, 2018 at 7:18 PM wrote: > For those of us who are visually challenged black on anything is very > tough. > The one exception to the rule is computer screens. A black or dark > background with light text really helps with the eye strain. > I think Elecraft should seriously consider changing the color of the > display. Orange background with black text isn't high contrast enough. A > black background ala just about everybody else makes the radio easier to > see. > > R. Kevin Stover AC0H > > ARRL, FISTS, SKCC, NAQCC. > "If it doesn't work the first time you push the button it won't work the > 20th.Just stop." > > -----Original Message----- > From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net > On > Behalf Of Bill Frantz > Sent: Friday, August 31, 2018 8:45 AM > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Subject: [Elecraft] Why Black > > On 8/30/18 at 5:31 AM, glcazzola at alice.it (IK4EWX) wrote: > > >... Here the problem is the black face of KPOD. > > I have had problems reading the labels on my K3 in dark rooms and tents. I > wonder why most radio available today are black. In the old days, the > Collins and Heathkit radios weren't black. It would seem that black letters > on a light background would be more visible under low light conditions. It > would also liven up the shack. > > 73 Bill AE6JV > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Bill Frantz | Concurrency is hard. 12 out | Periwinkle > (408)356-8506 | 10 programmers get it wrong. | 16345 > Englewood Ave > www.pwpconsult.com | - Jeff Frantz | Los Gatos, > CA 95032 > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message > delivered to kstover at ac0h.net > > ______________________________________________________________ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > Message delivered to ardrhi at gmail.com > -- -+-+-+-+- Jenny Everywhere's Infinite: Quark Time http://quarktime.net