From stanley at surcp.org  Mon May  1 00:10:29 2017
From: stanley at surcp.org (KG7FYI)
Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2017 21:10:29 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] NVIS HF vs VHF line-of-sight & CB in 9.0 quakes
In-Reply-To: <53bd1666-c83d-3c56-c770-5915be134ff2@embarqmail.com>
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Well taken Don. The capacity to be mobile, versatile and functional is 
my primary goal. It all takes time and I am old. I'm doing my best for 
my small community.

73
Stan
KG7FYI
~~~~  -.-  --.  --...  ..-.  -.--  .. ><((((?>



On 04/30/2017 08:22 PM, Don Wilhelm [via Elecraft] wrote:
> One important thing I forget to mention is that you should learn how to
> construct your own effective antennas.
> To my mind, that skill may be critical in an emergency. and with the
> proliferation (and acceptance) of ready made manufactured antennas, I am
> afraid that skill is decreasing in ham radio circles.  Yes, it does take
> a bit of studying and experimenting, but is not really that difficult.
> If you can do simple multiplication and division, you can calculate the
> length of a halfwave antenna that can be used for effective
> communications - all it takes is some wire and a feedline.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR





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From kc6cnn at gmail.com  Mon May  1 00:14:03 2017
From: kc6cnn at gmail.com (Gerald Manthey)
Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2017 23:14:03 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] NVIS HF vs VHF line-of-sight & CB in 9.0 quakes
In-Reply-To: <53bd1666-c83d-3c56-c770-5915be134ff2@embarqmail.com>
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Don 
I couldn't agree with you more I am guilty of this too. What books could you recommend I start with? 
Thanks 
Gerald KC6CNN 

> On Apr 30, 2017, at 10:20 PM, Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com> wrote:
> 
> One important thing I forget to mention is that you should learn how to construct your own effective antennas.
> To my mind, that skill may be critical in an emergency. and with the proliferation (and acceptance) of ready made manufactured antennas, I am afraid that skill is decreasing in ham radio circles.  Yes, it does take a bit of studying and experimenting, but is not really that difficult. If you can do simple multiplication and division, you can calculate the length of a halfwave antenna that can be used for effective communications - all it takes is some wire and a feedline.
> 
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
> 
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> Stan,
> 
> While you have made your motives clear, if such an emergency does arise, just powering up radios and transmitting can result in communications chaos.
> 
> I encourage you to get on the air not only to familiarize yourself with your equipment, but also to experiment with a variety of antennas that can be deployed easily - your home antennas will likely come down in such a disaster.
> 
> Get involved with local ECOM organizations, and if they do not exist for you, form one.
> Ordered nets are the norm during emergencies, and someone has to act as net control - to whom all traffic is directed.  Establish standard frequencies and practice, practice, practice so that all participating know the format and the rules of proper operating.
> 
> You might want to consider taking an example (and perhaps some guidance) from the National Hurricane Net, which many of us are quite familiar with here on the East coast.
> 
> In the event of a disaster in your area, you will likely be forced to use low power to conserve battery power and depend on relays from individuals who can run higher power outside the disaster area.
> 
> You may have to learn to setup and use digital modes as well as voice in cooperation with your local and area Emergency Communications Center (ECO) which coordinate Police, Fire, Rescue, Hospitals and other emergency services during a disaster.
> That is all very organized communications.  If you are concerned about a disaster, I recommend you become familiar with it and hold practice sessions communicating with other concerned hams.  Many EOCs hold simulated emergency drills that you might want to participate in.
> ARRL Radio Amateur Field Day is a good exercise in setting up a functional station in a short order of time and operating on generators or other forms of emergency power.
> 
> Communication of Health and Welfare information can occur on non-emergency frequencies in the ham bands, but that still needs to be done in an orderly fashion since those in the disaster area can be expected to be operating at low power and depending on relays from outside the area.  There are formats for messages that operators should observe so the message gets to the intended recipient in an orderly fashion.  The ARRL information is quite helpful for the formats and relay net operating procedures.
> 
> What I am trying to say is that the formats and operating procedures for emergency communications is already in place, and you should become familiar with them and practice with your own local group and/or participate in national nets and exercises.
> 
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
> 
>> On 4/30/2017 9:41 PM, KG7FYI wrote:
>> I'd like to say
>> that radio is a hobby but the fact is that my only motive was that lives
>> are at stake.  I'm learning.
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From stanley at surcp.org  Mon May  1 00:17:10 2017
From: stanley at surcp.org (Stanley Petrowski)
Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2017 21:17:10 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] NVIS HF vs VHF line-of-sight & CB in 9.0 quakes
In-Reply-To: <53bd1666-c83d-3c56-c770-5915be134ff2@embarqmail.com>
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Thanks again Don. I'm working on that.  I agree that this skill set is 
fast fading. One of the interesting aspects of the ham circles I am 
affiliated with is that we are all well over 65 and most beyond that.
I have secured many hundreds of feet of good quality coax, spools of 
wire to build traps and more wire to use for building antennas. In the 
end it is all part of a huge learning curve and skill set development. I 
devote what time I can to it all but confess there isn't a lot of time 
left. I am very impressed with what antenna tuners can do and sincerely 
hope I don't blow the finals on a stupid experiment.

73
Stan
KG7FYI
~~~~  -.-  --.  --...  ..-.  -.--  .. ><((((?>


On 04/30/2017 08:20 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
> One important thing I forget to mention is that you should learn how 
> to construct your own effective antennas.
> To my mind, that skill may be critical in an emergency. and with the 
> proliferation (and acceptance) of ready made manufactured antennas, I 
> am afraid that skill is decreasing in ham radio circles.  Yes, it does 
> take a bit of studying and experimenting, but is not really that 
> difficult. If you can do simple multiplication and division, you can 
> calculate the length of a halfwave antenna that can be used for 
> effective communications - all it takes is some wire and a feedline.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR 


From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Mon May  1 00:31:50 2017
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Mon, 1 May 2017 00:31:50 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] NVIS HF vs VHF line-of-sight & CB in 9.0 quakes
In-Reply-To: <6DA611E5-A3C7-43E7-97EA-360457CF9E2B@gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <837230f9-716a-e2be-f3f8-24cc0089454c@embarqmail.com>

Grerald,

I would suggest that everyone obtain the ARRL Antenna Handbook.
Ignore the sections dealing with specifics, but study the sections 
dealing with basic antennas and transmission lines.  Once you obtain a 
grasp of those fundamentals, you can extend that to an understanding of 
all antennas.

There are many other sources, but for the basic information on antenna 
fundamentals is essential to understanding all the other antenna 
implementations.

Do not concentrate on the specific antennas, but study the antenna 
principles on which all those specific antenna implementations are based.

Hams often concentrate on specific antenna designs and ignore the basic 
principles on which those designs are based.  If you start with the 
principles, then you can better understand the "wherefore and the why" 
of those specific designs.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 5/1/2017 12:14 AM, Gerald Manthey wrote:
> Don
> I couldn't agree with you more I am guilty of this too. What books could you recommend I start with?
> Thanks
> Gerald KC6CNN
>


From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Mon May  1 00:37:54 2017
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Mon, 1 May 2017 00:37:54 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] NVIS HF vs VHF line-of-sight & CB in 9.0 quakes
In-Reply-To: <afcc1522-fd22-d62a-09f0-4f1a73adbc04@surcp.org>
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Message-ID: <9bacf00a-0ee5-c03d-d000-d996d81f8760@embarqmail.com>

Stan,

Turn the power down while experimenting and you should not "blow the 
finals".
I am 77 and still learning, so age is not an excuse.  It is never too 
late to learn.
Besides, it exercises the brain which is known to provide a hedge to 
dementia.
That is why I am still repairing Elecraft gear.  Each problem presents a 
unique challenge and keeps my brain active.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 5/1/2017 12:17 AM, Stanley Petrowski wrote:
> Thanks again Don. I'm working on that.  I agree that this skill set is 
> fast fading. One of the interesting aspects of the ham circles I am 
> affiliated with is that we are all well over 65 and most beyond that.
> I have secured many hundreds of feet of good quality coax, spools of 
> wire to build traps and more wire to use for building antennas. In the 
> end it is all part of a huge learning curve and skill set development. 
> I devote what time I can to it all but confess there isn't a lot of 
> time left. I am very impressed with what antenna tuners can do and 
> sincerely hope I don't blow the finals on a stupid experiment.
>
> 73
> Stan
> KG7FYI
> ~~~~  -.-  --.  --...  ..-.  -.--  .. ><((((?>
>
>
> On 04/30/2017 08:20 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
>> One important thing I forget to mention is that you should learn how 
>> to construct your own effective antennas.
>> To my mind, that skill may be critical in an emergency. and with the 
>> proliferation (and acceptance) of ready made manufactured antennas, I 
>> am afraid that skill is decreasing in ham radio circles.  Yes, it 
>> does take a bit of studying and experimenting, but is not really that 
>> difficult. If you can do simple multiplication and division, you can 
>> calculate the length of a halfwave antenna that can be used for 
>> effective communications - all it takes is some wire and a feedline.
>>
>> 73,
>> Don W3FPR 
>
>


From josh at voodoolab.com  Mon May  1 00:41:47 2017
From: josh at voodoolab.com (Josh)
Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2017 21:41:47 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] NVIS HF vs VHF line-of-sight & CB in 9.0 quakes
In-Reply-To: <837230f9-716a-e2be-f3f8-24cc0089454c@embarqmail.com>
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Message-ID: <75887FE9-46EA-4785-AEA0-51B2725967DD@voodoolab.com>

I'd say ARRL Handbook, Antenna book and Operating Manual are a must in every ham's library. I got a set when first licensed in the '70s. Bought an updated set 25 years later. It's been 15 years and I just got a new handbook. Probably due for the new version antenna book. These are first rate reference material. 

My .02

73,
Josh W6XU

Sent from my mobile device

> On Apr 30, 2017, at 9:31 PM, Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Grerald,
> 
> I would suggest that everyone obtain the ARRL Antenna Handbook.
> Ignore the sections dealing with specifics, but study the sections dealing with basic antennas and transmission lines.  Once you obtain a grasp of those fundamentals, you can extend that to an understanding of all antennas.
> 
> There are many other sources, but for the basic information on antenna fundamentals is essential to understanding all the other antenna implementations.
> 
> Do not concentrate on the specific antennas, but study the antenna principles on which all those specific antenna implementations are based.
> 
> Hams often concentrate on specific antenna designs and ignore the basic principles on which those designs are based.  If you start with the principles, then you can better understand the "wherefore and the why" of those specific designs.
> 
> 73,
> Don W3FPR


From ebasilier at cox.net  Mon May  1 01:29:08 2017
From: ebasilier at cox.net (Erik Basilier)
Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2017 22:29:08 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Security camera on your mast
Message-ID: <00f101d2c23b$dbae54e0$930afea0$@cox.net>

Sorry if this is too OT for most:

 

I am considering security cameras for my home/qth. There are a lot of
package systems available these days, but my initial interest is for a
single camera mounted near the top of my tower/mast (rotatable of course).
Already available at the mounting point is a 50 ohm coax that I would use as
the only connection to the camera. The systems I see marketed use other
types of connections. Question: can anyone point me to a source for a
security camera for outdoor use, without additional weatherization, that can
be connected by a single coax only? Secondary considerations: Small wind
load is desirable. Good sensitivity for night use is desirable, but without
use of illumination devices (IR or visible) in the camera (another of my
hobbies is astronomical imaging). Of course, there is also the issue of
suitable recording devices, which may demand certain types of cabling.

 

Thanks in advance for any ideas. Please email me off list.

 

73,

Erik K7TV


From stanley at surcp.org  Mon May  1 02:39:02 2017
From: stanley at surcp.org (KG7FYI)
Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2017 23:39:02 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] NVIS HF vs VHF line-of-sight & CB in 9.0 quakes
In-Reply-To: <9bacf00a-0ee5-c03d-d000-d996d81f8760@embarqmail.com>
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	<53bd1666-c83d-3c56-c770-5915be134ff2@embarqmail.com>
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I took it down to 5 watts pronto before I started reconfig. Roger that 
on the dementia also. One step at a time. One day at a time. My sincere 
gratitude. I'll keep you posted.

73
Stan
KG7FYI
~~~~  -.-  --.  --...  ..-.  -.--  .. ><((((?>


On 04/30/2017 09:39 PM, Don Wilhelm [via Elecraft] wrote:
> Turn the power down while experimenting and you should not "blow the
> finals".
> 73,
> Don W3FPR 





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Stan KG7FYI
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From kl7uw at acsalaska.net  Mon May  1 04:33:44 2017
From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole)
Date: Mon, 01 May 2017 00:33:44 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] NVIS HF vs VHF line-of-sight & CB in 9.0 quakes
Message-ID: <201705010833.v418Xir9007122@mail47c28.carrierzone.com>

I'll probably get flamed with this comment (oh what the heck):

How many of you theorizing about a 9.0 Richter earthquake have 
actually experience one!  I not talking about 5 pr 6 or 7 ....an actual 9+????

Why don't you ask an Alaskan Ham?  In 1964 south central Alaska 
experienced a 9.2 (2nd largest ever measured in history).  I was not 
up here then, but I know several people (some are hams) who lived 
thru that.  Plenty of documents with photos of the destruction.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1964_Alaska_earthquake

But not every telephone pole and tower failed.  Yes, all phone 
connection with lower-48 was interrupted for a long time.  Military 
lost all their comms.  Only one's able to provide communication to 
outside the state were hams!  That's right.  All documented.  Power 
and phones were impacted (there was no cell back then).  Undersea 
cables broke.  The single railroad line from Anchorage to Seward on 
the Kenai Peninsula was twisted and not repaired for something like 
6-mos, single highway south of Anchorage was also damaged for a long 
period.  Homes slid into the inlet, ships were sunk and shoreline 
destroyed by the tsunami which reached Oregon and California shores 
and Hawaii 3,000 miles south.  Seward and Valdez essentially suffered 
near total destruction.

But not everything was destroyed and not everyone without utilities.

Of course a significant factor is depth of the epicenter, longitudal 
distance from you and what geologic structures the waves travel thru.

I moved to the small town of Hope (AK) when I moved here in 1979.  I 
heard from locals how the land rippled with 30-foot high waves (I 
suspect maybe not that high but certainly terrifying).  Most of the 
original townsite which lay near the shore of Turnagain Arm sunk 
16-foot and the next high tide produced 6-foot of water above the 
ground level flooding every building.  Most are gone now.  Town has 
relocated further away from the shore.

Your skills setting up a temporary station with new antennas, 
equipment relocated, emergency power and fuel for that (gas stations 
will not be able to pump without power or may have cracked 
tanks).  Your personal shelter, food, water, and sanitary facilities 
may be all impacted.  If you are lucky some part of your home station 
may work.  Possibly only the mobile station in your vehicle.

I've been thru a few earthquakes in CA (1971 Sylmar 6mi from my apt) 
and AK.  But few really have that large effect that is being 
discussed, here.  I was here for the 7.9 quake centered in the Alaska 
Range (I'm about 300 miles south of where its epicenter was 
located.  Fortunately it mostly affected uninhabited areas.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002_Denali_earthquake
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/01/24/magnitude-7-1-earthquake-strikes-alaska.html 
I am 8 miles north of the homes that were destroyed last year.

But doubtful that you will have beach property in Boise.

73, Ed - KL7UW
   http://www.kl7uw.com
Dubus-NA Business mail:
   dubususa at gmail.com 


From va3mw at portcredit.net  Mon May  1 08:05:54 2017
From: va3mw at portcredit.net (Michael Walker)
Date: Mon, 1 May 2017 08:05:54 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Equipment chat group
Message-ID: <CA+33ts5HEmGqty55Xgu4tbp3WVO7oghkkUytitpX5LjhPFi3fA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi All

I am thinking of starting an Elecraft email forum that would focus only on
Elecraft equipment.

While I like this list for the Elecraft discussions, about 50% of it is
related to off topic items and they flood my inbox with hundreds of emails.

How many of you would be interested?

73 all, Mike va3mw

From jermo at carolinaheli.com  Mon May  1 08:17:13 2017
From: jermo at carolinaheli.com (Jerry Moore)
Date: Mon, 1 May 2017 08:17:13 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: RE:  Elecraft Equipment chat group
Message-ID: <013c01d2c274$df8bed50$9ea3c7f0$@carolinaheli.com>

I updated the subject as OT: 

http://www.arrl.org/amateur-code

The Radio Amateur's Code

The Radio Amateur is

CONSIDERATE...He/[She] never knowingly operates in such a way as to lessen
the pleasure of others.

LOYAL...He/[She] offers loyalty, encouragement and support to other
amateurs, local clubs, the IARU Radio Society in his/[her] country, through
which Amateur Radio in his/[her] country is represented nationally and
internationally.

PROGRESSIVE...He/[She] keeps his/[her] station up to date.  It is well-built
and efficient.  His/[Her] operating practice is above reproach.

FRIENDLY...He/[She] operates slowly and patiently when requested; offers
friendly advice and counsel to beginners; kind assistance, cooperation and
consideration for the interests of others. These are the marks of the
amateur spirit.

BALANCED...Radio is a hobby, never interfering with duties owed to family,
job, school or community.

PATRIOTIC...His/[Her] station and skills are always ready for service to
country and community.

- adapted from the original Amateur's Code, written by Paul M. Segal, W9EEA,
in 1928

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of
Michael Walker
Sent: Monday, May 01, 2017 8:06 AM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Equipment chat group

Hi All

I am thinking of starting an Elecraft email forum that would focus only on
Elecraft equipment.

While I like this list for the Elecraft discussions, about 50% of it is
related to off topic items and they flood my inbox with hundreds of emails.

How many of you would be interested?

73 all, Mike va3mw
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From py5eg at iesa.com.br  Mon May  1 08:28:40 2017
From: py5eg at iesa.com.br (py5eg)
Date: Mon, 1 May 2017 09:28:40 -0300
Subject: [Elecraft] RES:  Elecraft Equipment chat group
In-Reply-To: <CA+33ts5HEmGqty55Xgu4tbp3WVO7oghkkUytitpX5LjhPFi3fA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+33ts5HEmGqty55Xgu4tbp3WVO7oghkkUytitpX5LjhPFi3fA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <179284665C3FE046B114797FD7F127CEB90FE6@SVNT8-53.inepar.com.br>

Hi
I?m in
PY5EG - Oms

-----Mensagem original-----
De: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] Em nome de Michael Walker
Enviada em: segunda-feira, 1 de maio de 2017 09:06
Para: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Assunto: [Elecraft] Elecraft Equipment chat group

Hi All

I am thinking of starting an Elecraft email forum that would focus only on Elecraft equipment.

While I like this list for the Elecraft discussions, about 50% of it is related to off topic items and they flood my inbox with hundreds of emails.

How many of you would be interested?

73 all, Mike va3mw
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From wes_n7ws at triconet.org  Mon May  1 08:45:56 2017
From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes Stewart)
Date: Mon, 1 May 2017 05:45:56 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Equipment chat group
In-Reply-To: <CA+33ts5HEmGqty55Xgu4tbp3WVO7oghkkUytitpX5LjhPFi3fA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+33ts5HEmGqty55Xgu4tbp3WVO7oghkkUytitpX5LjhPFi3fA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9c9969dc-3797-4aa5-5d84-ffefd77fbf7b@triconet.org>

Count me out.

On 5/1/2017 5:05 AM, Michael Walker wrote:
> How many of you would be interested?
>


From lists at subich.com  Mon May  1 08:52:24 2017
From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV)
Date: Mon, 1 May 2017 08:52:24 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] NVIS HF vs VHF line-of-sight & CB in 9.0 quakes
In-Reply-To: <afcc1522-fd22-d62a-09f0-4f1a73adbc04@surcp.org>
References: <1493231045227-7629969.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<E90ACDB5-6637-410F-AED2-7062745599B6@coastside.net>
	<1493301060835-7630020.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<000001d2bf67$d77e48c0$867ada40$@nwlink.com>
	<8dd92046-5dcd-e625-ac53-474f70f2e8b2@surcp.org>
	<1493546643101-7630119.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<8b9851c8-245d-0c98-1a2f-02f394ee267b@surcp.org>
	<67e11e26-74b3-7368-9306-8850ace26411@coho.net>
	<r470Ps-10124i-B6B77C3F0E614A419CD287240C3A1661@Williams-MacBook-Pro.local>
	<807a9a15-0a54-f66a-42b2-cacd938de4e7@coho.net>
	<e5a2daf8-8c56-1cf5-1f75-54271b911ca3@surcp.org>
	<53bd1666-c83d-3c56-c770-5915be134ff2@embarqmail.com>
	<afcc1522-fd22-d62a-09f0-4f1a73adbc04@surcp.org>
Message-ID: <218ca06a-9ff9-258f-beaf-2890539951d8@subich.com>

On 5/1/2017 12:17 AM, Stanley Petrowski wrote:
 > Thanks again Don. I'm working on that.  I agree that this skill set is
 > fast fading. One of the interesting aspects of the ham circles I am
 > affiliated with is that we are all well over 65 and most beyond that.
 > I have secured many hundreds of feet of good quality coax, spools of
 > wire to build traps and more wire to use for building antennas.

Building traps is probably a waste of time.  As I learned from old
timers 40 years ago, your best emergency antennas will be:

1) 40 and 75 meter 1/4 wave sections of wire that can be clamped
    under the bottom of the mast/whip on your mobile antenna and
    pulled over  nearby tree or up a flagpole when parked.

2) two or three parallel dipoles for 75 and 40 meters (or 80, 75
    and 40 meters if you have digital/CW nets) that can be hauled
    up a flag pole, into a tree or up a 30 to 40 foot push up mast
    (with the necessary base and temporary guying) for longer term
    "portable" operations.

    With the advent of 60 meter allocations (particularly if the FCC
    gets off its ass and implements the most recent WARC decisions)
    you may want to consider adding 60 meters to your arsenal.

It may be worthwhile having a pair of end-fed half wave (EFHW)
antennas in your tool kit - one for 80/40 and one for 60/30.  Put
insulators in the middle and at 30 feed from the feed end so they
can be pulled up a flag pole, tree, or temporary mast as either
an inverted V or inverted L.  With transceivers  like the K3 that
have wide range tuners, the EFHW may be easier to store and deploy
than the parallel dipole/inverted V and will provide the same
NVIS performance as the traditional "maypole" installations.

In any case,  I recommend the ARRL Antenna Book, ARRL's book on
portable antennas, the ARRL series "ARRL's Wire Antenna Classics"
(particularly N0SS's article "An Easy-up and easy to store Field
Day Dipole"), and the ARRL series "ARRL Antenna Compendium"
(Volumes 1-8).  If you *study* the Antenna Book, you will get a
good understanding of the theory wile the Antenna Wire Classics
and Antenna Compendium series will provide a wealth of practical
ideas.

73,

    ... Joe, W4TV



From vr2xmc at yahoo.com.hk  Mon May  1 08:54:18 2017
From: vr2xmc at yahoo.com.hk (Johnny Siu)
Date: Mon, 1 May 2017 12:54:18 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft]  Elecraft Equipment chat group
In-Reply-To: <9c9969dc-3797-4aa5-5d84-ffefd77fbf7b@triconet.org>
References: <CA+33ts5HEmGqty55Xgu4tbp3WVO7oghkkUytitpX5LjhPFi3fA@mail.gmail.com>
	<9c9969dc-3797-4aa5-5d84-ffefd77fbf7b@triconet.org>
Message-ID: <172935571.1459416.1493643258607@mail.yahoo.com>

Count me out as well. ?I just stick to this forum.?

      ???? Wes Stewart <wes_n7ws at triconet.org>
 ???? elecraft at mailman.qth.net 
 ????? 2017?05?1? (??) 8:47 PM
 ??? Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Equipment chat group
   
Count me out.

On 5/1/2017 5:05 AM, Michael Walker wrote:
> How many of you would be interested?
>

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From elecraftcovers at gmail.com  Mon May  1 08:54:42 2017
From: elecraftcovers at gmail.com (Rose)
Date: Mon, 1 May 2017 06:54:42 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Equipment chat group
In-Reply-To: <CA+33ts5HEmGqty55Xgu4tbp3WVO7oghkkUytitpX5LjhPFi3fA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+33ts5HEmGqty55Xgu4tbp3WVO7oghkkUytitpX5LjhPFi3fA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAK+fsRVJf4EwAq0X9nssxQTfnijucSF9X3dBWbYAru58E=x5-A@mail.gmail.com>

No interest here.

73

Ken - K0PP

On May 1, 2017 06:07, "Michael Walker" <va3mw at portcredit.net> wrote:

> Hi All
>
> I am thinking of starting an Elecraft email forum that would focus only on
> Elecraft equipment.
>
> While I like this list for the Elecraft discussions, about 50% of it is
> related to off topic items and they flood my inbox with hundreds of emails.
>
> How many of you would be interested?
>
> 73 all, Mike va3mw
> ______________________________________________________________
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From eastbrantwood at gmail.com  Mon May  1 08:58:37 2017
From: eastbrantwood at gmail.com (Stephen Prior)
Date: Mon, 1 May 2017 13:58:37 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Equipment chat group
In-Reply-To: <9c9969dc-3797-4aa5-5d84-ffefd77fbf7b@triconet.org>
References: <CA+33ts5HEmGqty55Xgu4tbp3WVO7oghkkUytitpX5LjhPFi3fA@mail.gmail.com>
	<9c9969dc-3797-4aa5-5d84-ffefd77fbf7b@triconet.org>
Message-ID: <CA+vZ_+KSaBqzYYJmpwQY_kx6vBAODCr3TVpbnoCxUpnUNrOP3w@mail.gmail.com>

Count me out too.

73 Stephen G4SJP

On 1 May 2017 at 13:45, Wes Stewart <wes_n7ws at triconet.org> wrote:

> Count me out.
>
> On 5/1/2017 5:05 AM, Michael Walker wrote:
>
>> How many of you would be interested?
>>
>>
> ______________________________________________________________
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From jimk0xu at gmail.com  Mon May  1 09:04:47 2017
From: jimk0xu at gmail.com (Jim Rhodes)
Date: Mon, 1 May 2017 08:04:47 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Equipment chat group
In-Reply-To: <CA+vZ_+KSaBqzYYJmpwQY_kx6vBAODCr3TVpbnoCxUpnUNrOP3w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+33ts5HEmGqty55Xgu4tbp3WVO7oghkkUytitpX5LjhPFi3fA@mail.gmail.com>
	<9c9969dc-3797-4aa5-5d84-ffefd77fbf7b@triconet.org>
	<CA+vZ_+KSaBqzYYJmpwQY_kx6vBAODCr3TVpbnoCxUpnUNrOP3w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CALhxr4Z_fbHNmZ5xFmOjKnYFpHGyZuq5SLHW6HueO6PLDm09SA@mail.gmail.com>

With this one we get "official" information when things happen. So most of
us would remain on this reflector for that. Why would we want to then join
another list to further dilute the information content. Count me as a no.

Jim Rhodes
K0XU

On May 1, 2017 07:59, "Stephen Prior" <eastbrantwood at gmail.com> wrote:

> Count me out too.
>
> 73 Stephen G4SJP
>
> On 1 May 2017 at 13:45, Wes Stewart <wes_n7ws at triconet.org> wrote:
>
> > Count me out.
> >
> > On 5/1/2017 5:05 AM, Michael Walker wrote:
> >
> >> How many of you would be interested?
> >>
> >>
> > ______________________________________________________________
> > Elecraft mailing list
> > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
> > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
> > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> >
> > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net
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> > Message delivered to eastbrantwood at gmail.com
> >
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From n8nn at earthlink.net  Mon May  1 09:15:25 2017
From: n8nn at earthlink.net (Bert Garcia N8NN)
Date: Mon, 1 May 2017 09:15:25 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Equipment chat group
In-Reply-To: <CA+33ts5HEmGqty55Xgu4tbp3WVO7oghkkUytitpX5LjhPFi3fA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+33ts5HEmGqty55Xgu4tbp3WVO7oghkkUytitpX5LjhPFi3fA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <004001d2c27c$ff755ae0$fe6010a0$@earthlink.net>

Count me in for a new group!  With all the NVIS-CB-Earthquake stuff and
other O.T. posts, I'm outtta here.  

As a new Elecraft owner, I signed on to learn about Elecraft.  I asked a few
questions about my Elecraft gear, got some good answers and supportive
replies. 

But now there's too much non-Elecraft junk.  I'm gone!

Bert N8NN

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of
Michael Walker
Sent: Monday, May 1, 2017 8:06 AM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Equipment chat group

Hi All

I am thinking of starting an Elecraft email forum that would focus only on
Elecraft equipment.

While I like this list for the Elecraft discussions, about 50% of it is
related to off topic items and they flood my inbox with hundreds of emails.

How many of you would be interested?

73 all, Mike va3mw
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From w4rks73 at gmail.com  Mon May  1 09:27:32 2017
From: w4rks73 at gmail.com (James Wilson)
Date: Mon, 1 May 2017 08:27:32 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Security camera on your mast
Message-ID: <CAJNRSCa2OZurb-TwgGvPsu9x6uSk9dv3R94aGTbwDzMNjq1nBQ@mail.gmail.com>

Erik,

I'd suggest that you get a really - good - camera. That is a

1080P High Def one that produces good detail. So many "security"

cameras provide such poor detail that an individual or specific

automobile (much less a tag number) can hardly be identified.

Jim W4RKS

------------------------------

Erik wrote:

>Sorry if this is too OT for most:

>I am considering security cameras for my home/qth. There are a lot of
>package systems available these days, but my initial interest is for a
>single camera mounted near the top of my tower/mast (rotatable of course).

. . .

From aldermant at windstream.net  Mon May  1 09:29:08 2017
From: aldermant at windstream.net (Chester Alderman)
Date: Mon, 1 May 2017 09:29:08 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Equipment chat group
In-Reply-To: <CA+33ts5HEmGqty55Xgu4tbp3WVO7oghkkUytitpX5LjhPFi3fA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+33ts5HEmGqty55Xgu4tbp3WVO7oghkkUytitpX5LjhPFi3fA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000401d2c27e$e98597c0$bc90c740$@windstream.net>

Without a doubt....count me out!

Sometimes it is true that off topic discussions persist way too long, but we
just have to keep in mind that these guys own and are responsible for
running a profitable company and we should be grateful that they even have
any time to occasionally monitor this reflector. In my humble opinion, there
is nothing calling for another reflector except for those who may be too
lazy to reach for their delete key.

Let's not try to fix something that is not broken!

73,
Tom - W4BQF


-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of
Michael Walker
Sent: Monday, May 1, 2017 8:06 AM
To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Equipment chat group

Hi All

I am thinking of starting an Elecraft email forum that would focus only on
Elecraft equipment.

While I like this list for the Elecraft discussions, about 50% of it is
related to off topic items and they flood my inbox with hundreds of emails.

How many of you would be interested?

73 all, Mike va3mw
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From stanley at surcp.org  Mon May  1 09:29:04 2017
From: stanley at surcp.org (KG7FYI)
Date: Mon, 1 May 2017 06:29:04 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] NVIS HF vs VHF line-of-sight & CB in 9.0 quakes
In-Reply-To: <218ca06a-9ff9-258f-beaf-2890539951d8@subich.com>
References: <8dd92046-5dcd-e625-ac53-474f70f2e8b2@surcp.org>
	<1493546643101-7630119.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<8b9851c8-245d-0c98-1a2f-02f394ee267b@surcp.org>
	<67e11e26-74b3-7368-9306-8850ace26411@coho.net>
	<r470Ps-10124i-B6B77C3F0E614A419CD287240C3A1661@Williams-MacBook-Pro.local>
	<807a9a15-0a54-f66a-42b2-cacd938de4e7@coho.net>
	<e5a2daf8-8c56-1cf5-1f75-54271b911ca3@surcp.org>
	<53bd1666-c83d-3c56-c770-5915be134ff2@embarqmail.com>
	<afcc1522-fd22-d62a-09f0-4f1a73adbc04@surcp.org>
	<218ca06a-9ff9-258f-beaf-2890539951d8@subich.com>
Message-ID: <64c76035-0214-3d81-4556-4ca307d745a2@surcp.org>

Thanks Joe, I do have two of the ARRL Antenna Books but wasn't familiar 
the other references. I'll be sure to look them up.

I'm currently using a multiband dipole that has really impressed me 
given it's poor location and setup. It's obvious I need an "antenna tool 
kit". That would be very helpful for what I need.

73
Stan
KG7FYI
~~~~  -.-  --.  --...  ..-.  -.--  .. ><((((?>


On 05/01/2017 05:54 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV-4 [via Elecraft] wrote:
> On 5/1/2017 12:17 AM, Stanley Petrowski wrote:
>  > Thanks again Don. I'm working on that.  I agree that this skill set is
>  > fast fading. One of the interesting aspects of the ham circles I am
>  > affiliated with is that we are all well over 65 and most beyond that.
>  > I have secured many hundreds of feet of good quality coax, spools of
>  > wire to build traps and more wire to use for building antennas.
>
> Building traps is probably a waste of time.  As I learned from old
> timers 40 years ago, your best emergency antennas will be:
>
> 1) 40 and 75 meter 1/4 wave sections of wire that can be clamped
>     under the bottom of the mast/whip on your mobile antenna and
>     pulled over  nearby tree or up a flagpole when parked.
>
> 2) two or three parallel dipoles for 75 and 40 meters (or 80, 75
>     and 40 meters if you have digital/CW nets) that can be hauled
>     up a flag pole, into a tree or up a 30 to 40 foot push up mast
>     (with the necessary base and temporary guying) for longer term
>     "portable" operations.
>
>     With the advent of 60 meter allocations (particularly if the FCC
>     gets off its ass and implements the most recent WARC decisions)
>     you may want to consider adding 60 meters to your arsenal.
>
> It may be worthwhile having a pair of end-fed half wave (EFHW)
> antennas in your tool kit - one for 80/40 and one for 60/30.  Put
> insulators in the middle and at 30 feed from the feed end so they
> can be pulled up a flag pole, tree, or temporary mast as either
> an inverted V or inverted L.  With transceivers  like the K3 that
> have wide range tuners, the EFHW may be easier to store and deploy
> than the parallel dipole/inverted V and will provide the same
> NVIS performance as the traditional "maypole" installations.
>
> In any case,  I recommend the ARRL Antenna Book, ARRL's book on
> portable antennas, the ARRL series "ARRL's Wire Antenna Classics"
> (particularly N0SS's article "An Easy-up and easy to store Field
> Day Dipole"), and the ARRL series "ARRL Antenna Compendium"
> (Volumes 1-8).  If you *study* the Antenna Book, you will get a
> good understanding of the theory wile the Antenna Wire Classics
> and Antenna Compendium series will provide a wealth of practical
> ideas.
>
> 73,
>
>     ... Joe, W4TV
>
>
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From john at carltonhouse.eclipse.co.uk  Mon May  1 09:29:08 2017
From: john at carltonhouse.eclipse.co.uk (John Lemay)
Date: Mon, 1 May 2017 14:29:08 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Equipment chat group
In-Reply-To: <CA+33ts5HEmGqty55Xgu4tbp3WVO7oghkkUytitpX5LjhPFi3fA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+33ts5HEmGqty55Xgu4tbp3WVO7oghkkUytitpX5LjhPFi3fA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <008401d2c27e$ea0f1310$be2d3930$@carltonhouse.eclipse.co.uk>

I'm sure we don't need another Elecraft group - what we do need is more
respect from those who think this is a place to post almost anything OT.

Count me out.

John G4ZTR

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of
Michael Walker
Sent: Monday, May 1, 2017 13:06
To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Equipment chat group

Hi All

I am thinking of starting an Elecraft email forum that would focus only on
Elecraft equipment.

While I like this list for the Elecraft discussions, about 50% of it is
related to off topic items and they flood my inbox with hundreds of emails.

How many of you would be interested?

73 all, Mike va3mw
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From pincon at erols.com  Mon May  1 09:39:24 2017
From: pincon at erols.com (Charlie T, K3ICH)
Date: Mon, 1 May 2017 09:39:24 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Equipment chat group
In-Reply-To: <008401d2c27e$ea0f1310$be2d3930$@carltonhouse.eclipse.co.uk>
References: <CA+33ts5HEmGqty55Xgu4tbp3WVO7oghkkUytitpX5LjhPFi3fA@mail.gmail.com>
	<008401d2c27e$ea0f1310$be2d3930$@carltonhouse.eclipse.co.uk>
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Not me either.

Not while I have a working delete key.
That plus lots of the "OT" threads are quite interesting.

Charlie k3ICH


From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of John
Lemay
Sent: Monday, May 01, 2017 9:29 AM
To: 'Elecraft at mailman.qth.net' <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Equipment chat group

I'm sure we don't need another Elecraft group - what we do need is more
respect from those who think this is a place to post almost anything OT.

Count me out.

John G4ZTR

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of
Michael Walker
Sent: Monday, May 1, 2017 13:06
To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Equipment chat group

Hi All

I am thinking of starting an Elecraft email forum that would focus only on
Elecraft equipment.

While I like this list for the Elecraft discussions, about 50% of it is
related to off topic items and they flood my inbox with hundreds of emails.

How many of you would be interested?

73 all, Mike va3mw
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From va3mw at portcredit.net  Mon May  1 09:39:28 2017
From: va3mw at portcredit.net (Michael Walker)
Date: Mon, 1 May 2017 09:39:28 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Equipment chat group
Message-ID: <CA+33ts7_r2DsdJEjGrVPLfYS8dYsTvyb3SRbi9ALAvZCSsKmeQ@mail.gmail.com>

Someone did change this to OT, but it really isn't.

As others have also mentioned is that this is a list that is heavily
diluted by so many OT issues.

This is the only list that I am part of that varies like a club meeting.
And, that is OK, it just isn't OK for all of us.

For those that have replied, directly to me, I'm running higher than 50%
for a unique list.

I'm only just outlining a need.

many thanks

Mike va3mw

From tony.kaz at verizon.net  Mon May  1 09:42:51 2017
From: tony.kaz at verizon.net (N2TK, Tony)
Date: Mon, 01 May 2017 09:42:51 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] FW:  Elecraft Equipment chat group
In-Reply-To: <004001d2c27c$ff755ae0$fe6010a0$@earthlink.net>
References: <CA+33ts5HEmGqty55Xgu4tbp3WVO7oghkkUytitpX5LjhPFi3fA@mail.gmail.com>
	<004001d2c27c$ff755ae0$fe6010a0$@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <002301d2c280$d47d4e70$7d77eb50$@verizon.net>

Nope, not interested in a new forum.
I agree some topics stretch the interest quite a bit for an Elecraft
subject. But many times I learn something. And If I have no interest or get
bored with a subject I just use the Delete key.

73,
N2TK, Tony   

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of
Michael Walker
Sent: Monday, May 1, 2017 8:06 AM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Equipment chat group

Hi All

I am thinking of starting an Elecraft email forum that would focus only on
Elecraft equipment.

While I like this list for the Elecraft discussions, about 50% of it is
related to off topic items and they flood my inbox with hundreds of emails.

How many of you would be interested?

73 all, Mike va3mw
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From mike.flowers at gmail.com  Mon May  1 09:50:22 2017
From: mike.flowers at gmail.com (Mike Flowers)
Date: Mon, 1 May 2017 06:50:22 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Equipment chat group
In-Reply-To: <CA+33ts5HEmGqty55Xgu4tbp3WVO7oghkkUytitpX5LjhPFi3fA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+33ts5HEmGqty55Xgu4tbp3WVO7oghkkUytitpX5LjhPFi3fA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <00c501d2c281$e197d700$a4c78500$@gmail.com>

Hi Mike,

I've seen this attempted with other forums for other topics.   Inevitably,
the OT emails reach the same level in the new forum as well.   It's just
human nature.

For my part, I'll stick with this Elecraft forum.

- 73 and good DX de Mike, K6MKF, Past President - NCDXC 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of
> Michael Walker
> Sent: Monday, May 01, 2017 5:06 AM
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Equipment chat group
> 
> Hi All
> 
> I am thinking of starting an Elecraft email forum that would focus only on
> Elecraft equipment.
> 
> While I like this list for the Elecraft discussions, about 50% of it is
related to off
> topic items and they flood my inbox with hundreds of emails.
> 
> How many of you would be interested?
> 
> 73 all, Mike va3mw
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From paynej1 at centurylink.net  Mon May  1 09:51:51 2017
From: paynej1 at centurylink.net (John Payne)
Date: Mon, 1 May 2017 09:51:51 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] FW: Elecraft Equipment chat group
In-Reply-To: <002301d2c280$d47d4e70$7d77eb50$@verizon.net>
References: <CA+33ts5HEmGqty55Xgu4tbp3WVO7oghkkUytitpX5LjhPFi3fA@mail.gmail.com>
	<004001d2c27c$ff755ae0$fe6010a0$@earthlink.net>
	<002301d2c280$d47d4e70$7d77eb50$@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <a14c8b95-6a3c-f8bf-de31-6a14268ea911@centurylink.net>

Nope, why reinvent the wheel?

W4CWZ


On 5/1/2017 9:42 AM, N2TK, Tony wrote:
> Nope, not interested in a new forum.
>


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From k9yeq at live.com  Mon May  1 09:52:41 2017
From: k9yeq at live.com (Bill Johnson)
Date: Mon, 1 May 2017 13:52:41 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Equipment chat group
In-Reply-To: <CALhxr4Z_fbHNmZ5xFmOjKnYFpHGyZuq5SLHW6HueO6PLDm09SA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+33ts5HEmGqty55Xgu4tbp3WVO7oghkkUytitpX5LjhPFi3fA@mail.gmail.com>
	<9c9969dc-3797-4aa5-5d84-ffefd77fbf7b@triconet.org>
	<CA+vZ_+KSaBqzYYJmpwQY_kx6vBAODCr3TVpbnoCxUpnUNrOP3w@mail.gmail.com>
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Been there done that already.  Tried that a couple of years ago... got 8 new users, including Wayne, and there were no exchanges.  It is one more list.  Doesn't work.

73,
Bill
K9YEQ

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jim Rhodes
Sent: Monday, May 1, 2017 8:05 AM
To: Stephen Prior <eastbrantwood at gmail.com>
Cc: Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Equipment chat group

With this one we get "official" information when things happen. So most of us would remain on this reflector for that. Why would we want to then join another list to further dilute the information content. Count me as a no.

Jim Rhodes
K0XU

On May 1, 2017 07:59, "Stephen Prior" <eastbrantwood at gmail.com> wrote:

> Count me out too.
>
> 73 Stephen G4SJP
>
> On 1 May 2017 at 13:45, Wes Stewart <wes_n7ws at triconet.org> wrote:
>
> > Count me out.
> >
> > On 5/1/2017 5:05 AM, Michael Walker wrote:
> >
> >> How many of you would be interested?
> >>
> >>
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From va3mw at portcredit.net  Mon May  1 09:53:56 2017
From: va3mw at portcredit.net (Michael Walker)
Date: Mon, 1 May 2017 09:53:56 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] FW: Elecraft Equipment chat group
Message-ID: <CA+33ts4b3jb3yuiod5=nokar==aXUK-ZkGyByjLnCPAyDzipPA@mail.gmail.com>

It is getting out of hand.

We just had about 50 emails on RACES and MARS.  Even Eric told everyone to
shut it down as a moderator, yet everyone ignored him.  It seems (and I
haven't measured) that we are 50/50 off topic to on topic.

For those that would prefer to stay try to Elecraft equipment discussions,
it looks like I will be starting another group.  I'll let those interested
where it will be hosted by tomorrow.

For those that are not interested, that is fine.  No pressure here, just
trying to solve a problem.

What you may not realize, when Wayne and Eric are moderating emails, they
aren't working on Elecraft products and driving Elecraft forward.  This
would give them more time to do that.

many 73, Mike va3mw


On Mon, May 1, 2017 at 9:42 AM, N2TK, Tony <tony.kaz at verizon.net> wrote:

> Nope, not interested in a new forum.
> I agree some topics stretch the interest quite a bit for an Elecraft
> subject. But many times I learn something. And If I have no interest or get
> bored with a subject I just use the Delete key.
>
> 73,
> N2TK, Tony
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of
> Michael Walker
> Sent: Monday, May 1, 2017 8:06 AM
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Equipment chat group
>
> Hi All
>
> I am thinking of starting an Elecraft email forum that would focus only on
> Elecraft equipment.
>
> While I like this list for the Elecraft discussions, about 50% of it is
> related to off topic items and they flood my inbox with hundreds of emails.
>
> How many of you would be interested?
>
> 73 all, Mike va3mw
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From stanley at surcp.org  Mon May  1 10:15:11 2017
From: stanley at surcp.org (KG7FYI)
Date: Mon, 1 May 2017 07:15:11 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] NVIS HF vs VHF line-of-sight & CB in 9.0 quakes
In-Reply-To: <201705010833.v418Xir9007122@mail47c28.carrierzone.com>
References: <E90ACDB5-6637-410F-AED2-7062745599B6@coastside.net>
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	<8dd92046-5dcd-e625-ac53-474f70f2e8b2@surcp.org>
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	<8b9851c8-245d-0c98-1a2f-02f394ee267b@surcp.org>
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Hahahahaha. It stimulates the blood and gets what's left of the fire in 
the boiler stirred up.


On 05/01/2017 01:35 AM, Edward R Cole [via Elecraft] wrote:
> I'll probably get flamed with this comment (oh what the heck): 

Joking aside, all of the State and Federal agencies are preparing for a 
pretty grim scenario. Historically these events span from 40?N to 50?N 
with 40-45? N receiving the greatest impact. At the time this was first 
discovered they were estimating a 10% chance in the next 50 years. More 
recent research has upped it to over 50% with an estimated shaking 
interval of 15 to 20 minutes. The infrastructure, especially the schools 
in rural Oregon from I-5 west will all be flat. There will be no fuel or 
power available for many areas for up to two years. Grim indeed. One 
thing most agree with is that we are not prepared. The evidence is 
overwhelming. The geological record is clear. On January 26, 1700 it 
took out the west coast and hit Japan with a huge tsunami according to 
Japanese records. On average one of these puppies goes off every 350 
years + or -. I know it's all a lot of guess work too.

Ham is the only thing I think will be available for the short and long 
term. Obviously the first few days/weeks will be total chaos. I'm on the 
local ARES and volunteer fire dept Board. When I heard about this I did 
some homework and purchased a K3. It wasn't a hobby motive at all even 
though I can see that it would be great fun time allowing. I'm here to 
serve my community and willing to learn as time allows. I respect ham 
and I respect the rules. I am also a realist and like as many options as 
I can get my hands on. It's just the way I think. No doubt there will be 
many of you assisting if this thing goes down in the next short time. 
For that I am grateful.

My hope is that I will get a handle on this K3 line up to at least get a 
signal out when it is most needed. The club an ARES does regular sets 
and I participate whenever I can. I'll be the first to admit I am behind 
the 8 ball on this one. Have a look. 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tys792xlNeI
73
Stan
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From jermo at carolinaheli.com  Mon May  1 10:24:23 2017
From: jermo at carolinaheli.com (Jerry Moore)
Date: Mon, 1 May 2017 10:24:23 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] FW: Elecraft Equipment chat group
In-Reply-To: <CA+33ts4b3jb3yuiod5=nokar==aXUK-ZkGyByjLnCPAyDzipPA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+33ts4b3jb3yuiod5=nokar==aXUK-ZkGyByjLnCPAyDzipPA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <003e01d2c286$a21b4cb0$e651e610$@carolinaheli.com>

I'd suggest taking this off list directly to the list mods. 
While your opinions are important; the community in it's entirety is
governed by Elecraft. Complaining to the list only results in a flurry of
'me too' or 'not me' posts that further exacerbate the issue.
On the air we ignore people that disrupt communications or otherwise break
the rules. 
I'd suggest we take the same action on the list and internet at large. 
Experience being a good teacher; we know that there are people who derive
enjoyment from causing drama and getting folks spun up.
Sometimes you just have to get away from the keyboard and go outside. 
Jer

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of
Michael Walker
Sent: Monday, May 01, 2017 9:54 AM
To: N2TK, Tony <tony.kaz at verizon.net>
Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] FW: Elecraft Equipment chat group

It is getting out of hand.

We just had about 50 emails on RACES and MARS.  Even Eric told everyone to
shut it down as a moderator, yet everyone ignored him.  It seems (and I
haven't measured) that we are 50/50 off topic to on topic.

For those that would prefer to stay try to Elecraft equipment discussions,
it looks like I will be starting another group.  I'll let those interested
where it will be hosted by tomorrow.

For those that are not interested, that is fine.  No pressure here, just
trying to solve a problem.

What you may not realize, when Wayne and Eric are moderating emails, they
aren't working on Elecraft products and driving Elecraft forward.  This
would give them more time to do that.

many 73, Mike va3mw


On Mon, May 1, 2017 at 9:42 AM, N2TK, Tony <tony.kaz at verizon.net> wrote:

> Nope, not interested in a new forum.
> I agree some topics stretch the interest quite a bit for an Elecraft 
> subject. But many times I learn something. And If I have no interest 
> or get bored with a subject I just use the Delete key.
>
> 73,
> N2TK, Tony
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of 
> Michael Walker
> Sent: Monday, May 1, 2017 8:06 AM
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Equipment chat group
>
> Hi All
>
> I am thinking of starting an Elecraft email forum that would focus 
> only on Elecraft equipment.
>
> While I like this list for the Elecraft discussions, about 50% of it 
> is related to off topic items and they flood my inbox with hundreds of
emails.
>
> How many of you would be interested?
>
> 73 all, Mike va3mw
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From eric.csuf at gmail.com  Mon May  1 10:34:41 2017
From: eric.csuf at gmail.com (EricJ)
Date: Mon, 1 May 2017 07:34:41 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Equipment chat group
In-Reply-To: <CA+33ts5HEmGqty55Xgu4tbp3WVO7oghkkUytitpX5LjhPFi3fA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+33ts5HEmGqty55Xgu4tbp3WVO7oghkkUytitpX5LjhPFi3fA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f66dc973-b066-88bf-701d-a42605dc88e9@gmail.com>

Not a chance. Frankly, as a K1 and K2 owner, all the *K-line* posts are 
OT to me. But there hasn't been an OT topic on this reflector that I 
didn't find informative. This is a very tech savvy and interesting 
group, and I value their input. It takes a long time to build a viable 
community of any kind. This one is mature and healthy.

I filter out everything with a specific K-line model number. When a new 
product is announced (like the KPA1500) it isn't filtered so I can learn 
something about it. I have never owned an amp in 60 years and chances 
are excellent I never will, but the product is still interesting--I read 
every post. At some point, I'll add it to my filter.

Why are filters so difficult to do that someone would think starting a 
new group would be easier?

This OT argument goes on in every single group from time to time. It's 
the ULTIMATE example of OT imaginable.

Eric KE6US


On 5/1/2017 5:05 AM, Michael Walker wrote:
> Hi All
>
> I am thinking of starting an Elecraft email forum that would focus only on
> Elecraft equipment.
>
> While I like this list for the Elecraft discussions, about 50% of it is
> related to off topic items and they flood my inbox with hundreds of emails.
>
> How many of you would be interested?
>
> 73 all, Mike va3mw
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From hotrod541 at hotmail.com  Mon May  1 10:39:01 2017
From: hotrod541 at hotmail.com (louis a. ives)
Date: Mon, 1 May 2017 14:39:01 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Audio On K3 (solved)
Message-ID: <DM5PR19MB1577C28BDB6F94BF52753131F5140@DM5PR19MB1577.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>

I feel like a idiot, Ted was right upper side band  had flipped to lower side band. I guess that you always miss the obvious and make things too difficult when not needed. I need to find why it happened as 15 meter also had flipped. Thanks to all who gave suggestions, I placed those on my "When it don't work" list.
73 to all
Buddy, KJ4ZSI


Sent from my iPhone

From ny9h at arrl.net  Mon May  1 10:42:55 2017
From: ny9h at arrl.net (bill steffey)
Date: Mon, 01 May 2017 10:42:55 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Equipment chat group
In-Reply-To: <RO1P152MB0907DB34585CE3B9FA0532049C140@RO1P152MB0907.LAMP1
	52.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
References: <CA+33ts5HEmGqty55Xgu4tbp3WVO7oghkkUytitpX5LjhPFi3fA@mail.gmail.com>
	<9c9969dc-3797-4aa5-5d84-ffefd77fbf7b@triconet.org>
	<CA+vZ_+KSaBqzYYJmpwQY_kx6vBAODCr3TVpbnoCxUpnUNrOP3w@mail.gmail.com>
	<CALhxr4Z_fbHNmZ5xFmOjKnYFpHGyZuq5SLHW6HueO6PLDm09SA@mail.gmail.com>
	<RO1P152MB0907DB34585CE3B9FA0532049C140@RO1P152MB0907.LAMP152.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
Message-ID: <mailman.410.1493649790.7381.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>


with over 20 reflector folders under RADIO which auto sort upon arrival,
count me out,,,,

bill


From donovanf at starpower.net  Mon May  1 10:45:13 2017
From: donovanf at starpower.net (donovanf at starpower.net)
Date: Mon, 1 May 2017 10:45:13 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Equipment chat group
In-Reply-To: <9c9969dc-3797-4aa5-5d84-ffefd77fbf7b@triconet.org>
Message-ID: <2023720911.3769041.1493649913890.JavaMail.root@starpower.net>

https://assets.dnainfo.com/photo/2016/9/1474052916-273347/extralarge.jpg 

----- Original Message -----

From: "Wes Stewart" <wes_n7ws at triconet.org> 
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net 
Sent: Monday, May 1, 2017 12:45:56 PM 
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Equipment chat group 

Count me out. 

On 5/1/2017 5:05 AM, Michael Walker wrote: 
> How many of you would be interested? 
> 

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From orasmith at earthlink.net  Mon May  1 10:47:37 2017
From: orasmith at earthlink.net (Ora Smith)
Date: Mon, 1 May 2017 10:47:37 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Solution to KPA500 Problem
Message-ID: <2C087AC8-8638-49FE-9926-5E5770114246@earthlink.net>

I recently encountered an odd problem which I thought I would share in case anyone else experiences it. My KPA500/KTA500 combo refused to work on 20 meters. It appeared that the amp was not keying, but only on this band. I suspected a problem in the amp, but when I removed the tuner and connected the amp directly to the transceiver everything worked fine. It turned out that the firmware in the tuner was somehow corrupted. I installed the latest firmware into the KTA500 and now everything works FB.

73,

Ora
W9DJ

Ora Smith
orasmith at earthlink.net




From kevin at k4vd.net  Mon May  1 11:05:46 2017
From: kevin at k4vd.net (Kevin - K4VD)
Date: Mon, 1 May 2017 11:05:46 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Solution to KPA500 Problem
In-Reply-To: <2C087AC8-8638-49FE-9926-5E5770114246@earthlink.net>
References: <2C087AC8-8638-49FE-9926-5E5770114246@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <CAFA9ujsh3uzf7jMyxuZAvsDnpP7EaBPHcW_LPW4NH5U6sRUf5w@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Ora...

I'm confused. You say you removed the tuner and connected the amp directly
to the transceiver?

My transceiver is connected directly to the amp at all times. The tuner is
between the antenna and the amp. Removing the tuner would connect the
antenna directly to the amp (ok if a good, resonant antenna I think).

The tuner should not be placed between the transceiver and the amp.

Did I misread your post maybe? In my mind, it is still very early in the
morning. :)

73,
Kev K4VD



On Mon, May 1, 2017 at 10:47 AM, Ora Smith <orasmith at earthlink.net> wrote:

> I recently encountered an odd problem which I thought I would share in
> case anyone else experiences it. My KPA500/KTA500 combo refused to work on
> 20 meters. It appeared that the amp was not keying, but only on this band.
> I suspected a problem in the amp, but when I removed the tuner and
> connected the amp directly to the transceiver everything worked fine. It
> turned out that the firmware in the tuner was somehow corrupted. I
> installed the latest firmware into the KTA500 and now everything works FB.
>
> 73,
>
> Ora
> W9DJ
>
> Ora Smith
> orasmith at earthlink.net
>
>
>
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From va3mw at portcredit.net  Mon May  1 11:10:08 2017
From: va3mw at portcredit.net (Michael Walker)
Date: Mon, 1 May 2017 11:10:08 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] FW: Elecraft Equipment chat group
In-Reply-To: <003e01d2c286$a21b4cb0$e651e610$@carolinaheli.com>
References: <CA+33ts4b3jb3yuiod5=nokar==aXUK-ZkGyByjLnCPAyDzipPA@mail.gmail.com>
	<003e01d2c286$a21b4cb0$e651e610$@carolinaheli.com>
Message-ID: <CA+33ts56++FicAFFrRQYB0RUQ4x0wkpV6AFbcPs7WedGCUVqfw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Jerry

This is not a moderator discussion as I am not asking them for their
permission, nor do I want to change anything they are doing or promoting.
I have discussed it with them at one point and they are pleased with how
this forum is being used.  What I am looking at is an alternative.

However, I and many others would prefer to stay on Elecraft equipment
topics and prefer to not see any off topic messages like earthquakes, cb
radio or cameras.  It does not help us in any way shape or form with the
usage of the great Elecraft products.  That is the reason that some (not
all) of us joined.

It is about providing options to the community so they can chose.

What is happening is that we are loosing highly technical resources that
would normally contribute to the Elecraft product set as they don't want to
see the off topic spam.

Yes, I can delete them and I don't mind when it is a small percentage, but
now is not a small percentage by a huge amount.  It is turning into a 50/50
discussion board.  I know some like it and that is great and I respect
that.  But, we also have to respect it for those that consider it spam.

If you don't want to be part of a 2nd forum, that is totally up to you and
others that are happy with the status quo.

Make sense?

73, mike va3mw


On Mon, May 1, 2017 at 10:24 AM, Jerry Moore <jermo at carolinaheli.com> wrote:

> I'd suggest taking this off list directly to the list mods.
> While your opinions are important; the community in it's entirety is
> governed by Elecraft. Complaining to the list only results in a flurry of
> 'me too' or 'not me' posts that further exacerbate the issue.
> On the air we ignore people that disrupt communications or otherwise break
> the rules.
> I'd suggest we take the same action on the list and internet at large.
> Experience being a good teacher; we know that there are people who derive
> enjoyment from causing drama and getting folks spun up.
> Sometimes you just have to get away from the keyboard and go outside.
> Jer
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of
> Michael Walker
> Sent: Monday, May 01, 2017 9:54 AM
> To: N2TK, Tony <tony.kaz at verizon.net>
> Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] FW: Elecraft Equipment chat group
>
> It is getting out of hand.
>
> We just had about 50 emails on RACES and MARS.  Even Eric told everyone to
> shut it down as a moderator, yet everyone ignored him.  It seems (and I
> haven't measured) that we are 50/50 off topic to on topic.
>
> For those that would prefer to stay try to Elecraft equipment discussions,
> it looks like I will be starting another group.  I'll let those interested
> where it will be hosted by tomorrow.
>
> For those that are not interested, that is fine.  No pressure here, just
> trying to solve a problem.
>
> What you may not realize, when Wayne and Eric are moderating emails, they
> aren't working on Elecraft products and driving Elecraft forward.  This
> would give them more time to do that.
>
> many 73, Mike va3mw
>
>
> On Mon, May 1, 2017 at 9:42 AM, N2TK, Tony <tony.kaz at verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > Nope, not interested in a new forum.
> > I agree some topics stretch the interest quite a bit for an Elecraft
> > subject. But many times I learn something. And If I have no interest
> > or get bored with a subject I just use the Delete key.
> >
> > 73,
> > N2TK, Tony
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of
> > Michael Walker
> > Sent: Monday, May 1, 2017 8:06 AM
> > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> > Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Equipment chat group
> >
> > Hi All
> >
> > I am thinking of starting an Elecraft email forum that would focus
> > only on Elecraft equipment.
> >
> > While I like this list for the Elecraft discussions, about 50% of it
> > is related to off topic items and they flood my inbox with hundreds of
> emails.
> >
> > How many of you would be interested?
> >
> > 73 all, Mike va3mw
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From va3mw at portcredit.net  Mon May  1 11:11:38 2017
From: va3mw at portcredit.net (Michael Walker)
Date: Mon, 1 May 2017 11:11:38 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Equipment chat group
In-Reply-To: <f66dc973-b066-88bf-701d-a42605dc88e9@gmail.com>
References: <CA+33ts5HEmGqty55Xgu4tbp3WVO7oghkkUytitpX5LjhPFi3fA@mail.gmail.com>
	<f66dc973-b066-88bf-701d-a42605dc88e9@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+33ts4gGW7eWrMF-d6mUNHmWSadcytDHN0D1c0YNju-F=3RbA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Eric

Actually, it doesn't go in in other forums to this extent.  And, when it
does, it is shut down.  This forum is the wild wild west.  :)

I posted a list of all the forums I am a member of, and they are all focus
on their charter.

Mike va3mw


On Mon, May 1, 2017 at 10:34 AM, EricJ <eric.csuf at gmail.com> wrote:

> Not a chance. Frankly, as a K1 and K2 owner, all the *K-line* posts are OT
> to me. But there hasn't been an OT topic on this reflector that I didn't
> find informative. This is a very tech savvy and interesting group, and I
> value their input. It takes a long time to build a viable community of any
> kind. This one is mature and healthy.
>
> I filter out everything with a specific K-line model number. When a new
> product is announced (like the KPA1500) it isn't filtered so I can learn
> something about it. I have never owned an amp in 60 years and chances are
> excellent I never will, but the product is still interesting--I read every
> post. At some point, I'll add it to my filter.
>
> Why are filters so difficult to do that someone would think starting a new
> group would be easier?
>
> This OT argument goes on in every single group from time to time. It's the
> ULTIMATE example of OT imaginable.
>
> Eric KE6US
>
>
>
> On 5/1/2017 5:05 AM, Michael Walker wrote:
>
>> Hi All
>>
>> I am thinking of starting an Elecraft email forum that would focus only on
>> Elecraft equipment.
>>
>> While I like this list for the Elecraft discussions, about 50% of it is
>> related to off topic items and they flood my inbox with hundreds of
>> emails.
>>
>> How many of you would be interested?
>>
>> 73 all, Mike va3mw
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From hlyingst at yahoo.com  Mon May  1 11:10:06 2017
From: hlyingst at yahoo.com (Harry Yingst)
Date: Mon, 1 May 2017 15:10:06 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Equipment chat group
In-Reply-To: <CA+33ts5HEmGqty55Xgu4tbp3WVO7oghkkUytitpX5LjhPFi3fA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+33ts5HEmGqty55Xgu4tbp3WVO7oghkkUytitpX5LjhPFi3fA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1654101486.903629.1493651406620@mail.yahoo.com>

I certainly would like to see that.
This list has way too much off topic, and real questions get lost in the fog of it all.


      From: Michael Walker <va3mw at portcredit.net>
 To: "Elecraft at mailman.qth.net" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> 
 Sent: Monday, May 1, 2017 8:10 AM
 Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Equipment chat group
   
Hi All

I am thinking of starting an Elecraft email forum that would focus only on
Elecraft equipment.

While I like this list for the Elecraft discussions, about 50% of it is
related to off topic items and they flood my inbox with hundreds of emails.

How many of you would be interested?

73 all, Mike va3mw

   

From Nolan at KI5IO.com  Mon May  1 11:16:55 2017
From: Nolan at KI5IO.com (Nolan Kienitz)
Date: Mon, 1 May 2017 10:16:55 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Equipment Chat Group
Message-ID: <005401d2c28d$f88f16b0$e9ad4410$@KI5IO.com>

There is already another Elecraft reflector at Yahoo.

73,
	Nolan Kienitz  -  KI5IO



From kevin at ve3syb.ca  Mon May  1 11:22:44 2017
From: kevin at ve3syb.ca (Kevin Cozens)
Date: Mon, 1 May 2017 11:22:44 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Equipment chat group
In-Reply-To: <CA+33ts5HEmGqty55Xgu4tbp3WVO7oghkkUytitpX5LjhPFi3fA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+33ts5HEmGqty55Xgu4tbp3WVO7oghkkUytitpX5LjhPFi3fA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <b134be91-23d8-7ae4-8b92-33b8e0a5afcf@ve3syb.ca>

On 2017-05-01 08:05 AM, Michael Walker wrote:
> I am thinking of starting an Elecraft email forum that would focus only on
> Elecraft equipment.
>
> While I like this list for the Elecraft discussions, about 50% of it is
> related to off topic items and they flood my inbox with hundreds of emails.

I would not be interested. It would just wind up duplicating some of the 
posts here in terms of topics.

The more people include keywords in the subject lines the easier it is for 
those of us who know how to use mail filters to automatically filter out 
emails about unwanted topics. For the non-filtered content the Delete key is 
all that is needed.

I read a few of the NVIS related messages. Now I automatically hit the 
Delete key for any other messages with that word in the subject line. My 
email program looks for 15 different references to Elecraft products in the 
subject line and tosses those messages in to the trash folder when seen. 
That leaves me with a folder of K2 related messages and another filter puts 
any remaining Elecraft messages in to a non-K2 folder. It makes the list a 
lot more managable.

-- 
Cheers!

Kevin.

http://www.ve3syb.ca/           |"Nerds make the shiny things that distract
Owner of Elecraft K2 #2172      | the mouth-breathers, and that's why we're
                                 | powerful!"
#include <disclaimer/favourite> |             --Chris Hardwick

From jc_ki7y at q.com  Mon May  1 11:33:30 2017
From: jc_ki7y at q.com (Jim Cassidy)
Date: Mon, 1 May 2017 11:33:30 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Equipment chat group
In-Reply-To: <113947524.2705509.1493652696561.JavaMail.root@md25.quartz.synacor.com>
Message-ID: <1075736374.2705803.1493652810103.JavaMail.root@md25.quartz.synacor.com>



I think the Elecraft group is fine but that many of the OT subjects can better be handled on groups for those subjects. For example most of the NVIS discussion could have been on the Tower Talk group. 
Simple solution would be for this group to stay more on the Elecraft topic. 

-- 

Jim Cassidy 

KI7Y 

From KD8RQE at aol.com  Mon May  1 11:38:54 2017
From: KD8RQE at aol.com (KD8RQE at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 1 May 2017 11:38:54 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Equipment chat group
Message-ID: <1b24f9.40ea310a.4638b08e@aol.com>

No thanks.
 
Mike KD8RQE
 
 
In a message dated 5/1/2017 9:51:49 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
va3mw at portcredit.net writes:

Someone  did change this to OT, but it really isn't.

As others have also  mentioned is that this is a list that is heavily
diluted by so many OT  issues.

This is the only list that I am part of that varies like a club  meeting.
And, that is OK, it just isn't OK for all of us.

For those  that have replied, directly to me, I'm running higher than 50%
for a unique  list.

I'm only just outlining a need.

many thanks

Mike  va3mw
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From frantz at pwpconsult.com  Mon May  1 11:44:06 2017
From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz)
Date: Mon,  1 May 2017 08:44:06 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Audio On K3 (solved)
In-Reply-To: <DM5PR19MB1577C28BDB6F94BF52753131F5140@DM5PR19MB1577.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <r470Ps-10124i-443E85FCD48749598F3880B777A49E2D@Williams-MacBook-Pro.local>

Add me to the idiot group. I was operating from Kings county in 
the California QSO party on 10M SSB. Someone responded to my CQ 
and commented that I'd probably get more responses if I was 
operating USB. Sure enough, I was in LSB. I Thanked him and 
fixed the problem.

I think what had happened is that I had held a button instead of 
pushing it and switched to lower sideband as a result.

73 Bill AE6JV

On 5/1/17 at 7:39 AM, hotrod541 at hotmail.com (louis a. ives) wrote:

>I feel like a idiot, Ted was right upper side band  had flipped 
>to lower side band. I guess that you always miss the obvious 
>and make things too difficult when not needed. I need to find 
>why it happened as 15 meter also had flipped. Thanks to all who 
>gave suggestions, I placed those on my "When it don't work" list.
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Englewood Ave
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CA 95032


From wa2eio at optonline.net  Mon May  1 11:54:06 2017
From: wa2eio at optonline.net (Ron Manfredi)
Date: Mon, 1 May 2017 11:54:06 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Audio On K3 (solved)
In-Reply-To: <r470Ps-10124i-443E85FCD48749598F3880B777A49E2D@Williams-MacBook-Pro.local>
References: <r470Ps-10124i-443E85FCD48749598F3880B777A49E2D@Williams-MacBook-Pro.local>
Message-ID: <cc26c0d5-8eeb-0f64-cb5b-b2cc38340328@optonline.net>

I still sometimes forget to _read_ the front panel display.   Not quite 
the same as the old way of  looking at a knob pointer!   But the K3s is 
certainly in a different league from those old rigs.

Ron  WA2EIO


On 5/1/2017 11:44 AM, Bill Frantz wrote:
> Add me to the idiot group. I was operating from Kings county in the 
> California QSO party on 10M SSB. Someone responded to my CQ and 
> commented that I'd probably get more responses if I was operating USB. 
> Sure enough, I was in LSB. I Thanked him and fixed the problem.
>
> I think what had happened is that I had held a button instead of 
> pushing it and switched to lower sideband as a result.
>
> 73 Bill AE6JV
>
> On 5/1/17 at 7:39 AM, hotrod541 at hotmail.com (louis a. ives) wrote:
>
>> I feel like a idiot, Ted was right upper side band  had flipped to 
>> lower side band. I guess that you always miss the obvious and make 
>> things too difficult when not needed. I need to find why it happened 
>> as 15 meter also had flipped. Thanks to all who gave suggestions, I 
>> placed those on my "When it don't work" list.
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From john.dolan55 at gmail.com  Mon May  1 11:58:59 2017
From: john.dolan55 at gmail.com (John Dolan)
Date: Mon, 1 May 2017 11:58:59 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Equipment Chat Group
Message-ID: <1892BFAF-E2FD-46D6-B844-3FF20D48E579@gmail.com>

Sorry no interest here.

73,  WB4YAL 

Sent from my iPhone

From km6cq at km6cq.com  Mon May  1 12:02:38 2017
From: km6cq at km6cq.com (Dan Baker)
Date: Mon, 01 May 2017 16:02:38 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] On Topic
Message-ID: <CADH=N1u6U_mHy0N8ytbMSV2JnQuACLJwwEsc+H5-RteYLaZfGw@mail.gmail.com>

I would like to request we stay on the topic of Elecraft and it's relevance
to other equipment and gear. There are forums elsewhere for doomsday,
climate change and the green people. I really enjoy hearing about the
experiences with the  gear. The great wit I have seen here and the
information available. I am not interesting in joining a new group, I would
like to see this one get back on track.

73,   Dan KM6CQ

-- 
Sent from my iPhone 7 Plus

From xdavid at cis-broadband.com  Mon May  1 12:12:44 2017
From: xdavid at cis-broadband.com (David Gilbert)
Date: Mon, 1 May 2017 09:12:44 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Equipment chat group
In-Reply-To: <CA+33ts5HEmGqty55Xgu4tbp3WVO7oghkkUytitpX5LjhPFi3fA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+33ts5HEmGqty55Xgu4tbp3WVO7oghkkUytitpX5LjhPFi3fA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c38fac86-f159-a48e-a6ed-f2861d52f90c@cis-broadband.com>


Not at all interested.  It takes me maybe 15 seconds to scan through the 
Subject headers to delete the ones I'm not interested in, or have become 
bored with, and I get just as many messages as you do.

Besides, unless you plan to moderate your list (which will take you FAR 
longer to do than liberal use of your delete key on the current list and 
take up even more of your time explaining why you blocked a particular 
post) your new list is likely to end up with a similar composition to 
this one ... maybe even more given that Wayne and Eric have more street 
cred than you do.  As someone else just posted, it's human nature to 
pollute.

Lastly, I'm not interested in every Elecraft product, and I'd still have 
to do the same scan/delete process on your list that I do on this one.


Dave   AB7E



On 5/1/2017 5:05 AM, Michael Walker wrote:
> Hi All
>
> I am thinking of starting an Elecraft email forum that would focus only on
> Elecraft equipment.
>
> While I like this list for the Elecraft discussions, about 50% of it is
> related to off topic items and they flood my inbox with hundreds of emails.
>
> How many of you would be interested?
>
> 73 all, Mike va3mw
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From ron at cobi.biz  Mon May  1 12:26:02 2017
From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire)
Date: Mon, 1 May 2017 09:26:02 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Equipment chat group
In-Reply-To: <CA+33ts4gGW7eWrMF-d6mUNHmWSadcytDHN0D1c0YNju-F=3RbA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+33ts5HEmGqty55Xgu4tbp3WVO7oghkkUytitpX5LjhPFi3fA@mail.gmail.com>	<f66dc973-b066-88bf-701d-a42605dc88e9@gmail.com>
	<CA+33ts4gGW7eWrMF-d6mUNHmWSadcytDHN0D1c0YNju-F=3RbA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <002801d2c297$a0632cb0$e1298610$@biz>

I've been around this reflector for 17 years - so far - and this issue has
come up many, many times.

Here are the guidelines Eric posted most recently:

"The PRIMARY purposes of this list are to provide a -polite- and enjoyable
forum for discussing Elecraft products, share mods, new ideas, feedback to
Elecraft, share experiences using our products, troubleshooting ideas etc.

"The Elecraft email list server (reflector) is provided to further the
discussion of Elecraft products and related items. It serves as a forum for
the discussion of both technical and operating topics including product
features, construction and debug problems, sharing your enthusiasm and
impressions from using our products and more general ham radio related
topics of interest to our customers.

"(Please -strongly- resist the urge to reply to an OT topic once it has gone
to 5 posts. Once it hits ten posts do not reply at all (go off list if you
feel the urge to continue.) Also, please do not try to always get the 'last
word'.."

----------------------

Note there is no prohibition of OT topics, only that the number of posts be
kept down. And he specifically makes provision for "... general ham radio
related topics of interest..."

73, Ron AC7AC

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of
Michael Walker
Sent: Monday, May 1, 2017 8:12 AM
To: EricJ; Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Equipment chat group

Hi Eric

Actually, it doesn't go in in other forums to this extent.  And, when it
does, it is shut down.  This forum is the wild wild west.  :)

I posted a list of all the forums I am a member of, and they are all focus
on their charter.

Mike va3mw


From xdavid at cis-broadband.com  Mon May  1 12:27:01 2017
From: xdavid at cis-broadband.com (David Gilbert)
Date: Mon, 1 May 2017 09:27:01 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] On Topic
In-Reply-To: <CADH=N1u6U_mHy0N8ytbMSV2JnQuACLJwwEsc+H5-RteYLaZfGw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADH=N1u6U_mHy0N8ytbMSV2JnQuACLJwwEsc+H5-RteYLaZfGw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e66d497c-abd9-f95b-2b05-1aa8ad51aa86@cis-broadband.com>



Well, there are lots of folks who think their off-topic post is clever 
enough or important enough to justify it, so self control isn't likely 
to be very effective.  The most effective way to combat off topic posts 
would be for others on the list to gently remind offenders, but 
Wayne/Eric have repeatedly (and understandably) made that against the 
list guidelines in an obvious effort to avoid confrontations ... many of 
which would likely occur due to differences of opinion on what is 
actually off topic.

Besides, I use the off topic posts to calibrate me relative to the 
sender.  The same ones generate most of it, and I just delete all their 
posts as being unlikely to be insightful no matter what the subject is.  
It actually sames time.

Dave   AB7E



On 5/1/2017 9:02 AM, Dan Baker wrote:
> I would like to request we stay on the topic of Elecraft and it's relevance
> to other equipment and gear. There are forums elsewhere for doomsday,
> climate change and the green people. I really enjoy hearing about the
> experiences with the  gear. The great wit I have seen here and the
> information available. I am not interesting in joining a new group, I would
> like to see this one get back on track.
>
> 73,   Dan KM6CQ
>


From cautery at montac.com  Mon May  1 12:34:40 2017
From: cautery at montac.com (Clay Autery)
Date: Mon, 1 May 2017 11:34:40 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] NVIS HF vs VHF line-of-sight & CB
In-Reply-To: <670A20D9-90A8-42A3-93A5-866FC25B250C@yahoo.com>
References: <r470Ps-10124i-B6B77C3F0E614A419CD287240C3A1661@Williams-MacBook-Pro.local>
	<D1FB79F4-A4A3-4C9A-9D85-7AAA12701C10@wunderwood.org>
	<670A20D9-90A8-42A3-93A5-866FC25B250C@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <83780a9c-e972-47d5-7a45-64bbec47a46d@montac.com>

Well sir, we'll have to agree to disagree.  The young HAM (in HAM years
anyway) was not LISTENING to those from whom he had openly solicited
advice. 

He was informed of this, perhaps lightly chastised...  Now that he is
aware, he may choose whether to modify his behavior to be more
productive.... or not.

I would EXPECT my "Elmer" to do nothing less should he spot a
shortcoming in my conduct within the community.

Have a wonderful day.  Please make any additional responses via private
email.  Thanks!

73,

______________________
Clay Autery, KY5G

On 4/30/2017 5:05 PM, Robert Vargas-KP4Y via Elecraft wrote:
> Clay,
>
> Do have a horse in this race? I believe Mr. Brown can defend himself. I agree with other gentleman that Jim can be very offensive in his responses sometimes. That has been well documented in this forum and others. It's against the spirit of ham radio and you are sanctioning that type of conduct with your response.
>
> 73,
> Robert-W4/KP4Y
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Apr 30, 2017, at 5:43 PM, Walter Underwood <wunder at wunderwood.org> wrote:
>>
>> The potential Cascadia earthquake could be 9.0. That means that every tower will fall, maybe even those built like this CHP/CalOES tower.
>>
>> http://www.oesnews.com/going-towering-heights-keep-emergency-communications-flowing/ <http://www.oesnews.com/going-towering-heights-keep-emergency-communications-flowing/>
>>
>> That is why I suggested easily erected wire antennas and small beams, like a 10m Moxon. After the big one, it will be Field Day, not ?flip the switch on the linear?.
>>
>> Regular practice with field antennas will be more useful preparation than a big antenna farm. Maybe some regular exercises with a Par EndFedZ antenna, or even SOTA activations.
>>
>> http://www.lnrprecision.com/endfedz/ <http://www.lnrprecision.com/endfedz/>
>>
>> More info on the potential Cascadia earthquake.
>>
>> http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2015/07/20/the-really-big-one <http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2015/07/20/the-really-big-one>
>>
>> wunder
>> K6WRU
>> Walter Underwood
>> CM87wj
>> http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog)
>>
>>> On Apr 30, 2017, at 1:22 PM, Bill Frantz <frantz at pwpconsult.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I have always wondered how towers hold up during earthquakes. Being able to work with ad-hoc antennas seems a good attribute for any emergency plan.
>>>
>>> 73 Bill AE6JV
>>>
>>>> On 4/30/17 at 11:34 AM, kevinr at coho.net wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Please try NVIS on 40 or 80 meters.  You'll find you can cover most of the state with its use.  Plus the antennas can be ad hoc - tossed into trees or even an old fence line.
>>> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> Bill Frantz        | I don't have high-speed      | Periwinkle
>>> (408)356-8506      | internet. I have DSL.        | 16345 Englewood Ave
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>>>
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From pa0pje at xs4all.nl  Mon May  1 13:00:27 2017
From: pa0pje at xs4all.nl (Peter Eijlander (PA0PJE))
Date: Mon, 1 May 2017 19:00:27 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Equipment chat group
In-Reply-To: <CALhxr4Z_fbHNmZ5xFmOjKnYFpHGyZuq5SLHW6HueO6PLDm09SA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+33ts5HEmGqty55Xgu4tbp3WVO7oghkkUytitpX5LjhPFi3fA@mail.gmail.com>
	<9c9969dc-3797-4aa5-5d84-ffefd77fbf7b@triconet.org>
	<CA+vZ_+KSaBqzYYJmpwQY_kx6vBAODCr3TVpbnoCxUpnUNrOP3w@mail.gmail.com>
	<CALhxr4Z_fbHNmZ5xFmOjKnYFpHGyZuq5SLHW6HueO6PLDm09SA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <001e43c7-4563-b94b-2ff8-7baf90f1ce3a@xs4all.nl>

Count me out too...
I have a perfectly working delete key and I know very well how to select 
a group of mails that are of no interest to me and how to create message 
filters...:-)

Op 2017-05-01 om 15:04 schreef Jim Rhodes:
> On 5/1/2017 5:05 AM, Michael Walker wrote:
>
>> How many of you would be interested?

From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Mon May  1 13:02:00 2017
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Mon, 1 May 2017 10:02:00 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] NVIS HF vs VHF line-of-sight & CB
In-Reply-To: <83780a9c-e972-47d5-7a45-64bbec47a46d@montac.com>
References: <r470Ps-10124i-B6B77C3F0E614A419CD287240C3A1661@Williams-MacBook-Pro.local>
	<D1FB79F4-A4A3-4C9A-9D85-7AAA12701C10@wunderwood.org>
	<670A20D9-90A8-42A3-93A5-866FC25B250C@yahoo.com>
	<83780a9c-e972-47d5-7a45-64bbec47a46d@montac.com>
Message-ID: <2b70e32c-3d0a-53d0-cd19-4904a24a6e3d@audiosystemsgroup.com>

Bob, W4/KP4Y said:

> I agree with other gentleman that Jim can be very offensive in his responses sometimes.

I don't mean to be offensive, but there are times when it is appropriate 
to "tell it like it is." As Clay and others have noted, the new ham in 
question was repeatedly ignoring the excellent advice he was getting, 
perhaps because it was in conflict with his already formed opinions or 
the gaps in his knowledge.  IMO, as a genuine old fart, I felt that this 
new ham needed that attitude adjustment suggested by others. FWIW, some 
of the best advice I've ever received has been when folks have corrected 
my errors, whether of fact or of ways of looking at things.

Another long time and well respected list member sent this to that ham, 
with a copy to me:

> Stan,
>
> Your response is exactly why I stopped trying to help you early on.  
> IMHO, Jim"s message was spot on.
>
> I even considered? asking for a phone number to call you and trying to 
> help. Now, glad I didn't.
>
> You have an attitude problem.
>
And another long time list member sent me this:

> I agree, though it is clear that he?s not absorbing this stuff even 
> when explained. Sigh.
>
> Non-professional (unprofessional?) emergency planning often looks like 
> this. A focus on rare scenarios that require extreme measures, when 
> people should be taking first aid training, replacing their out of 
> date Neosporin, and strapping their water heater to the wall.
>
73, Jim K9YC


From k6dgw at foothill.net  Mon May  1 13:14:10 2017
From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen)
Date: Mon, 1 May 2017 10:14:10 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Audio On K3 (solved)
In-Reply-To: <DM5PR19MB1577C28BDB6F94BF52753131F5140@DM5PR19MB1577.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>
References: <DM5PR19MB1577C28BDB6F94BF52753131F5140@DM5PR19MB1577.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <8134b4d5-207e-0026-c1d3-39bbb1d4b1c0@foothill.net>

Years ago, right after I got my K3 [S/N 642], it quit working on 30 
meters.  No receive, infinite SWR on transmit, fine everywhere else.  
Email conversation with support had me try several things to no avail so 
they said they were going to escalate it, give them a time and number to 
call.  Phone rings, it's Wayne [this is NOT an "alternative fact" and 
I'm not making it up {:-) ], the designer of the radio, and he called me!

"We'll get this fixed, let's start with the simple things," he said.  
"Which antenna is selected on 30 meters?"  It of course was ANT2, a 
selection which is remembered by band and that had nothing connected to 
the SO-239.  Don't feel bad Buddy, we all do it.

73,

Fred ("Skip") K6DGW
Sparks NV USA
Washoe County DM09dn

On 5/1/2017 7:39 AM, louis a. ives wrote:
> I feel like a idiot, Ted was right upper side band  had flipped to lower side band. I guess that you always miss the obvious and make things too difficult when not needed. I need to find why it happened as 15 meter also had flipped. Thanks to all who gave suggestions, I placed those on my "When it don't work" list.
> 73 to all
> Buddy, KJ4ZSI
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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From jstengrevics at comcast.net  Mon May  1 13:17:04 2017
From: jstengrevics at comcast.net (stengrevics)
Date: Mon, 1 May 2017 10:17:04 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Preamp 2 Six Meter Noise Figure
Message-ID: <1493659024418-7630221.post@n2.nabble.com>

Does anyone know what the preamp 2 noise figure is on 6 meters?  I have not
been able to find it in the owner's manual or in Fred's book.

Thanks,

John
WA1EAZ



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From n7cqr at arrl.net  Mon May  1 14:05:55 2017
From: n7cqr at arrl.net (Dan Presley)
Date: Mon, 1 May 2017 11:05:55 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Equipment chat group
In-Reply-To: <002801d2c297$a0632cb0$e1298610$@biz>
References: <CA+33ts5HEmGqty55Xgu4tbp3WVO7oghkkUytitpX5LjhPFi3fA@mail.gmail.com>
	<f66dc973-b066-88bf-701d-a42605dc88e9@gmail.com>
	<CA+33ts4gGW7eWrMF-d6mUNHmWSadcytDHN0D1c0YNju-F=3RbA@mail.gmail.com>
	<002801d2c297$a0632cb0$e1298610$@biz>
Message-ID: <C49C2629-4E70-4B6E-B5DD-53B6112CFC7D@arrl.net>

I strongly disagree with starting another forum-there?s already plenty.And-a number of other forums I subscribe to go ?way farther off than this one. Do us all a favor-don?t divide the knowledge. Eric and Wayne do a fine job moderating.
Dan Presley  N7CQR
n7cqr at arrl.net


> On May 1, 2017, at 9:26 AM, Ron D'Eau Claire <ron at cobi.biz> wrote:
> 
> I've been around this reflector for 17 years - so far - and this issue has
> come up many, many times.
> 
> Here are the guidelines Eric posted most recently:
> 
> "The PRIMARY purposes of this list are to provide a -polite- and enjoyable
> forum for discussing Elecraft products, share mods, new ideas, feedback to
> Elecraft, share experiences using our products, troubleshooting ideas etc.
> 
> "The Elecraft email list server (reflector) is provided to further the
> discussion of Elecraft products and related items. It serves as a forum for
> the discussion of both technical and operating topics including product
> features, construction and debug problems, sharing your enthusiasm and
> impressions from using our products and more general ham radio related
> topics of interest to our customers.
> 
> "(Please -strongly- resist the urge to reply to an OT topic once it has gone
> to 5 posts. Once it hits ten posts do not reply at all (go off list if you
> feel the urge to continue.) Also, please do not try to always get the 'last
> word'.."
> 
> ----------------------
> 
> Note there is no prohibition of OT topics, only that the number of posts be
> kept down. And he specifically makes provision for "... general ham radio
> related topics of interest..."
> 
> 73, Ron AC7AC
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of
> Michael Walker
> Sent: Monday, May 1, 2017 8:12 AM
> To: EricJ; Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft Equipment chat group
> 
> Hi Eric
> 
> Actually, it doesn't go in in other forums to this extent.  And, when it
> does, it is shut down.  This forum is the wild wild west.  :)
> 
> I posted a list of all the forums I am a member of, and they are all focus
> on their charter.
> 
> Mike va3mw
> 
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From ab2tc at arrl.net  Mon May  1 14:07:58 2017
From: ab2tc at arrl.net (ab2tc)
Date: Mon, 1 May 2017 11:07:58 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Preamp 2 Six Meter Noise Figure
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Hi,

According to the ARRL review in November, 2dB! Deaf no more.

AB2TC - Knut


stengrevics wrote
> Does anyone know what the preamp 2 noise figure is on 6 meters?  I have
> not been able to find it in the owner's manual or in Fred's book.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> John
> WA1EAZ





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From jimk0xu at gmail.com  Mon May  1 14:56:05 2017
From: jimk0xu at gmail.com (Jim Rhodes)
Date: Mon, 1 May 2017 13:56:05 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Solution to KPA500 Problem
In-Reply-To: <CALhxr4ZeE5bMXo=Hm4nSxyY_03SwgBcb0j2ysEGZ8M+R8MCJhQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2C087AC8-8638-49FE-9926-5E5770114246@earthlink.net>
	<CAFA9ujsh3uzf7jMyxuZAvsDnpP7EaBPHcW_LPW4NH5U6sRUf5w@mail.gmail.com>
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I think he means the control cable. KAT500 comes before KPA500 there and
three tunes has the ability to interpret PTT to the amp.


Jim Rhodes
K0XU

On May 1, 2017 10:06, "Kevin - K4VD" <kevin at k4vd.net> wrote:

Hi Ora...

I'm confused. You say you removed the tuner and connected the amp directly
to the transceiver?

My transceiver is connected directly to the amp at all times. The tuner is
between the antenna and the amp. Removing the tuner would connect the
antenna directly to the amp (ok if a good, resonant antenna I think).

The tuner should not be placed between the transceiver and the amp.

Did I misread your post maybe? In my mind, it is still very early in the
morning. :)

73,
Kev K4VD



On Mon, May 1, 2017 at 10:47 AM, Ora Smith <orasmith at earthlink.net> wrote:

> I recently encountered an odd problem which I thought I would share in
> case anyone else experiences it. My KPA500/KTA500 combo refused to work on
> 20 meters. It appeared that the amp was not keying, but only on this band.
> I suspected a problem in the amp, but when I removed the tuner and
> connected the amp directly to the transceiver everything worked fine. It
> turned out that the firmware in the tuner was somehow corrupted. I
> installed the latest firmware into the KTA500 and now everything works FB.
>
> 73,
>
> Ora
> W9DJ
>
> Ora Smith
> orasmith at earthlink.net
>
>
>
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From paule408 at yahoo.com  Mon May  1 14:59:39 2017
From: paule408 at yahoo.com (paule408 at yahoo.com)
Date: Mon, 1 May 2017 18:59:39 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] Question-How to inventory a K3?
References: <1577492154.1751694.1493665179455.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1577492154.1751694.1493665179455@mail.yahoo.com>

For the Elecraft "brain trust"
I have a K3, P3 and KAT500 that I am about to sell.?
How do I inventory the K3 so that I can list what options and filters it has?
Is there a way to do this from the menus short of taking the cover off?
Thanks,
Paul N6PSEpaul at n6pse.com

From pincon at erols.com  Mon May  1 15:02:15 2017
From: pincon at erols.com (Charlie T, K3ICH)
Date: Mon, 1 May 2017 15:02:15 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Preamp 2 Six Meter Noise Figure
In-Reply-To: <1493662078186-7630223.post@n2.nabble.com>
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	<1493662078186-7630223.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <007a01d2c2ad$75e8af80$61ba0e80$@erols.com>

I'll bet it?s a lot better than that.

A 39? GG junction FET pre-amp will do under well 2dB on 6.

Charlie k3ICH

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of ab2tc
Sent: Monday, May 01, 2017 2:08 PM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S Preamp 2 Six Meter Noise Figure

Hi,

According to the ARRL review in November, 2dB! Deaf no more.

AB2TC - Knut


stengrevics wrote
> Does anyone know what the preamp 2 noise figure is on 6 meters?  I 
> have not been able to find it in the owner's manual or in Fred's book.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> John
> WA1EAZ





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From jstengrevics at comcast.net  Mon May  1 15:15:59 2017
From: jstengrevics at comcast.net (John Stengrevics)
Date: Mon, 1 May 2017 15:15:59 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Preamp 2 Six Meter Noise Figure
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	<1493662078186-7630223.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<007a01d2c2ad$75e8af80$61ba0e80$@erols.com>
Message-ID: <3978BA98-D292-42B9-A7B5-91E1D63EF6EE@comcast.net>

That was my reaction as well, but that is what the QST review states.

John
WA1EAZ

> On May 1, 2017, at 3:02 PM, Charlie T, K3ICH <pincon at erols.com> wrote:
> 
> I'll bet it?s a lot better than that.
> 
> A 39? GG junction FET pre-amp will do under well 2dB on 6.
> 
> Charlie k3ICH
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of ab2tc
> Sent: Monday, May 01, 2017 2:08 PM
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S Preamp 2 Six Meter Noise Figure
> 
> Hi,
> 
> According to the ARRL review in November, 2dB! Deaf no more.
> 
> AB2TC - Knut
> 
> 
> stengrevics wrote
>> Does anyone know what the preamp 2 noise figure is on 6 meters?  I 
>> have not been able to find it in the owner's manual or in Fred's book.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> John
>> WA1EAZ
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From kevin at k4vd.net  Mon May  1 15:18:29 2017
From: kevin at k4vd.net (Kevin - K4VD)
Date: Mon, 1 May 2017 15:18:29 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Solution to KPA500 Problem
In-Reply-To: <CALhxr4bu0NaYrXA22J3F6OGyOVh_XNQ6tBhKnbAf6Ff76h973Q@mail.gmail.com>
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	<CALhxr4aV836WmWSddEBXsJ3heT7aX3ARg=mqxoM+CACQpKKuoQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CALhxr4ZeE5bMXo=Hm4nSxyY_03SwgBcb0j2ysEGZ8M+R8MCJhQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CALhxr4bu0NaYrXA22J3F6OGyOVh_XNQ6tBhKnbAf6Ff76h973Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFA9ujudYwapTjXF0OHPU-LReQmf8EPv-+ASUem-M7vfETEs9w@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Jim. Yep, Ora caught me offline and put me back on track. It's was a
case of me thinking RF flow and Ora was talking about keying.

73,
Kev K4VD

On Mon, May 1, 2017 at 2:56 PM, Jim Rhodes <jimk0xu at gmail.com> wrote:

> I think he means the control cable. KAT500 comes before KPA500 there and
> three tunes has the ability to interpret PTT to the amp.
>
>
> Jim Rhodes
> K0XU
>
> On May 1, 2017 10:06, "Kevin - K4VD" <kevin at k4vd.net> wrote:
>
> Hi Ora...
>
> I'm confused. You say you removed the tuner and connected the amp directly
> to the transceiver?
>
> My transceiver is connected directly to the amp at all times. The tuner is
> between the antenna and the amp. Removing the tuner would connect the
> antenna directly to the amp (ok if a good, resonant antenna I think).
>
> The tuner should not be placed between the transceiver and the amp.
>
> Did I misread your post maybe? In my mind, it is still very early in the
> morning. :)
>
> 73,
> Kev K4VD
>
>
>
> On Mon, May 1, 2017 at 10:47 AM, Ora Smith <orasmith at earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> > I recently encountered an odd problem which I thought I would share in
> > case anyone else experiences it. My KPA500/KTA500 combo refused to work
> on
> > 20 meters. It appeared that the amp was not keying, but only on this
> band.
> > I suspected a problem in the amp, but when I removed the tuner and
> > connected the amp directly to the transceiver everything worked fine. It
> > turned out that the firmware in the tuner was somehow corrupted. I
> > installed the latest firmware into the KTA500 and now everything works
> FB.
> >
> > 73,
> >
> > Ora
> > W9DJ
> >
> > Ora Smith
> > orasmith at earthlink.net
> >
> >
> >
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From eric at elecraft.com  Mon May  1 15:25:04 2017
From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft)
Date: Mon, 1 May 2017 12:25:04 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Equipment chat group
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I'd like to close this thread at this time to reduce email overload for our 
other readers.

As the central Elecraft community discussion forum, we rely on this list both to 
post official Elecraft updates and to get motivational feedback, marketing and 
technical info from all of you. Its a huge resource for us, and of course, for 
all of you.

Regarding other discussion forums: There already are at least three unofficial 
Elecraft related Yahoo discussion Groups in existence.   One, just called 
'Elecraft' is a very low volume general discussion area for anything Elecraft 
related. It receives just a few posts each week. (I actually manage that one 
since it was released by its creator many years ago. I am not able to regularly 
read or post to it though.) There also is an Elecraft K3 Yahoo list that gets a 
few more posts, and a reasonably active Elecraft KX3 yahoo group. We try to 
watch those, but we are not able to do so nearly as often as we watch and 
participate here.

Note also that there is an official Elecraft Facebook page at:
https://www.facebook.com/Elecraft.Inc

In general, we prefer that this list remain as the central daily Elecraft 
discussion forum. We certainly acknowledge that there will be other new Elecraft 
lists popping up from time to time, but we can not guarantee that we will always 
be able to read and respond on those lists regularly.

Also, please limit OT non-Elecraft product related postings here as much as 
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less than 10 on-list replies (preferably less then 5.. :-)

I'll post the formal list user guidelines in a moment.

73,
Eric
Moderator
/elecraft.com/

On 5/1/2017 9:12 AM, David Gilbert wrote:
>
> Not at all interested.  It takes me maybe 15 seconds to scan through the 
> Subject headers to delete the ones I'm not interested in, or have become bored 
> with, and I get just as many messages as you do.


From eric at elecraft.com  Mon May  1 15:27:38 2017
From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft)
Date: Mon, 1 May 2017 12:27:38 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft email List Official Guidelines 2017
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References: <4DDEC500.6060701@elecraft.com>
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Eric
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Elecraft eMail LIST GUIDELINES 2017

For those of you who are new to the list, (and for those of us who have rapidly 
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this list. Please save this for future reference.

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From brianpepperdine at sympatico.ca  Mon May  1 15:28:05 2017
From: brianpepperdine at sympatico.ca (brianpepperdine brianpepperdine)
Date: Mon, 1 May 2017 15:28:05 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Elecraft] upgrading K3 for very casual user
Message-ID: <741178140.1011773.1493666885271.JavaMail.open-xchange@mtlgui07>


From Nolan at KI5IO.com  Mon May  1 15:34:24 2017
From: Nolan at KI5IO.com (Nolan Kienitz)
Date: Mon, 1 May 2017 14:34:24 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Audio On K3 (solved)
Message-ID: <009b01d2c2b1$f0f2f560$d2d8e020$@KI5IO.com>

Buddy,

If you are using a logging program with even a smidgen of rig control (band, mode, etc..) sometimes it can make ?flip? when you least expect it.

I have a logging APP that has flipped USB and LSB when clicking on a ?spot? that is displayed in the program.

This APP has also been known to lower the audio level (to barely being heard) when I shut the APP off before I shut down the rig. I?ve worked with Wayne on this one for a couple months with many things tried including beta firmware and on and on.  It still does it occasionally, but less often than it used to. I?ve also worked with the programmers for the logging APP as well.

We?re all still scratching our heads on that anomaly. 

73,
	Nolan Kienitz  -  KI5IO




From wa6nhc at gmail.com  Mon May  1 15:59:25 2017
From: wa6nhc at gmail.com (Rick WA6NHC)
Date: Mon, 1 May 2017 12:59:25 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Equipment chat group
In-Reply-To: <40eaf38d-de85-497c-e368-c26192b834cf@elecraft.com>
References: <CA+33ts5HEmGqty55Xgu4tbp3WVO7oghkkUytitpX5LjhPFi3fA@mail.gmail.com>
	<c38fac86-f159-a48e-a6ed-f2861d52f90c@cis-broadband.com>
	<40eaf38d-de85-497c-e368-c26192b834cf@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <72cba5c8-7291-768a-32d7-70a84d372663@gmail.com>

Short version:  Accept no substitutes.

Rick nhc


On 5/1/2017 12:25 PM, Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft wrote:
> As the central Elecraft community discussion forum, we rely on this 
> list both to post official Elecraft updates and to get motivational 
> feedback, marketing and technical info from all of you. Its a huge 
> resource for us, and of course, for all of you.
>
> Regarding other discussion forums: There already are at least three 
> unofficial Elecraft related Yahoo discussion Groups in existence.   
> One, just called 'Elecraft' is a very low volume general discussion 
> area for anything Elecraft related. It receives just a few posts each 
> week. (I actually manage that one since it was released by its creator 
> many years ago. I am not able to regularly read or post to it though.) 
> There also is an Elecraft K3 Yahoo list that gets a few more posts, 
> and a reasonably active Elecraft KX3 yahoo group. We try to watch 
> those, but we are not able to do so nearly as often as we watch and 
> participate here.
>
> Note also that there is an official Elecraft Facebook page at:
> https://www.facebook.com/Elecraft.Inc
>
> In general, we prefer that this list remain as the central daily 
> Elecraft discussion forum. We certainly acknowledge that there will be 
> other new Elecraft lists popping up from time to time, but we can not 
> guarantee that we will always be able to read and respond on those 
> lists regularly.
>
> Also, please limit OT non-Elecraft product related postings here as 
> much as possible, and to voluntarily stop replying to, and kill, those 
> OT threads after less than 10 on-list replies (preferably less then 
> 5.. :-)
>
> I'll post the formal list user guidelines in a moment.
>
> 73,
> Eric
> Moderator
> /elecraft.com/


From wes_n7ws at triconet.org  Mon May  1 16:38:01 2017
From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes Stewart)
Date: Mon, 1 May 2017 13:38:01 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Preamp 2 Six Meter Noise Figure
In-Reply-To: <3978BA98-D292-42B9-A7B5-91E1D63EF6EE@comcast.net>
References: <1493659024418-7630221.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<1493662078186-7630223.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<007a01d2c2ad$75e8af80$61ba0e80$@erols.com>
	<3978BA98-D292-42B9-A7B5-91E1D63EF6EE@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <d28a960f-3f88-dcbf-65b3-5396edb8a695@triconet.org>

Just because a "device" will do under 2 dB (or whatever) doesn't mean an 
amplifier necessarily will. Circuit losses, mismatch and bias settings will 
affect the circuit NF.

Additionally, something like an HP noise source is made to be a good source 
match, both on and off.  Those with lower excess noise, indicating the presence 
of an attenuator are better at this than higher noise sources. Nevertheless, 
there can be a difference.  If one of these sources is used to both tune and 
measure an amplifier, the NF can, and probably will be, different when connected 
to an antenna.  These differences are probably in the noise, excuse the pun, at 
6 meters but can be significant at higher frequencies.

Many years ago when GaAs FET were just arriving a friend designed and built a 
preamp for 1296 MHz.  I measured the NF at 0.6 dB, but after looking at the 
undercertainties the number was something like (going by memory) 0.6 dB +1, 
-0.6, in other words, it could be perfect.  This was all due to the 10:1 input 
SWR.  With a vector network analyzer these uncertainties can be resolved, but 
it's not trivial.

I had to chuckle after HP donated an HP8970 to the ARRL lab years ago and they 
reviewed an ARR preamp and listed the NF to two decimal places, presumably 
because that's what the instrument reported.

Wes  N7WS


On 5/1/2017 12:15 PM, John Stengrevics wrote:
> That was my reaction as well, but that is what the QST review states.
>
> John
> WA1EAZ
>
>> On May 1, 2017, at 3:02 PM, Charlie T, K3ICH <pincon at erols.com> wrote:
>>
>> I'll bet it?s a lot better than that.
>>
>> A 39? GG junction FET pre-amp will do under well 2dB on 6.
>>
>> Charlie k3ICH
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of ab2tc
>> Sent: Monday, May 01, 2017 2:08 PM
>> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S Preamp 2 Six Meter Noise Figure
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> According to the ARRL review in November, 2dB! Deaf no more.
>>
>> AB2TC - Knut
>>
>>


From rick at tavan.com  Mon May  1 18:02:50 2017
From: rick at tavan.com (Rick Tavan)
Date: Mon, 1 May 2017 15:02:50 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Question-How to inventory a K3?
In-Reply-To: <1577492154.1751694.1493665179455@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1577492154.1751694.1493665179455.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<1577492154.1751694.1493665179455@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CANVONALpy1BHbw21Ha7vqO+VJ8-9W=ewbWENToQE=SCSHfwNAQ@mail.gmail.com>

Sort of, Paul. There are CONFIG menu items for many of the optional
components including KAT3, KBPF3, KDVR3, KIO3, KPA3, KRC2 (external
device), KRX3, KXV3, and the various FLn filters both Main and Sub.
However, you can't necessarily trust their settings. Some can be set On or
Nor(mal) even if the device in question is absent. And the filter
bandwidths could be fudged. But they're a great way to start inventorying
what's probably there and many can be tested for presence without invasion.
Checking the Order page at elecraft.com may clue you as to other options
and modifications that could be present without corresponding menu entries.
Alas, I don't think there is a "K3, Explain Thyself" function.

GL & 73,

/Rick N6XI

On Mon, May 1, 2017 at 11:59 AM, paule408--- via Elecraft <
elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:

> For the Elecraft "brain trust"
> I have a K3, P3 and KAT500 that I am about to sell.
> How do I inventory the K3 so that I can list what options and filters it
> has?
> Is there a way to do this from the menus short of taking the cover off?
> Thanks,
> Paul N6PSEpaul at n6pse.com
> ______________________________________________________________
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-- 

Rick Tavan
Truckee, CA

From petebarth at gmail.com  Mon May  1 18:10:03 2017
From: petebarth at gmail.com (Pete Barth)
Date: Mon, 1 May 2017 15:10:03 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Alternate list.
Message-ID: <CAMEw30hmEpp56t1LwyLJpp5cWAKVXdMGD47A3zRuS5tKqEBhPA@mail.gmail.com>

I have been a part of this list since it started.
I almost never post, and always lurk,
but I am still an integral part of this grest thing.
This group, and this product
IS LIKE NO OTHER PRODUCT
IN THE KNOWN UNIVERSE.

I belong to another group called the Ampex list,
which has an alternate group called the Backroom Digest'
for all non direct 'tape machine' info/other things.
It just means I have to now cull thru two lists there, rather than one.

I would rather ONE list here,
as I can page through messages, and I can delete as I need to.
Don't forget, any other ham rigs don't have what we have here.
(Where else can you get a return from an owner directly.)

Long live this list, and the company, and its products.
It is the best ever, in my 61 ears of hamming.
(Am now building a K2 for a friend, going as slowly as I can,
just to savor the experience of the best kits ever made.)

-- 
Pete / ??? / W6LAW
323 460-7018    Hollywood home
323 461-7018    Pete cell

From mike.chowning at mgccc.org  Mon May  1 20:10:48 2017
From: mike.chowning at mgccc.org (Michael Chowning)
Date: Mon, 1 May 2017 20:10:48 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Question-How to inventory a K3?
In-Reply-To: <CANVONALpy1BHbw21Ha7vqO+VJ8-9W=ewbWENToQE=SCSHfwNAQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1577492154.1751694.1493665179455.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<1577492154.1751694.1493665179455@mail.yahoo.com>
	<CANVONALpy1BHbw21Ha7vqO+VJ8-9W=ewbWENToQE=SCSHfwNAQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <02A5ABBB-C372-45F2-A1A8-470B3DC62BA7@mgccc.org>

A Great Idea, Rick!
I have been a Ten Tec patron for years (and still have an Omni VII and 6N2), and am now new to Elecraft with a upgraded K3, KPA500, KAT500, P3.  I would find your ?K3, Explain Thyself? a great feature to add in a future firmware upgrade along with a cryptic line defining what, for example ?KBPF3? refers to.  Secondly, as a purchaser of a used K3, I was unsure of what was in the K3 and was not in the K3 I purchased.  That made a decision to upgrade a more complex decision than should have been necessary; along with unfamiliarity with the Elecraft nomenclature.  In time, I know, I will become more familiar with the Elecraft product line but, on the other hand, I don?t have a whole lot of years left. 
   Mike, N8TTR

> On May 1, 2017, at 6:02 PM, Rick Tavan <rick at tavan.com> wrote:
> 
> Sort of, Paul. There are CONFIG menu items for many of the optional
> components including KAT3, KBPF3, KDVR3, KIO3, KPA3, KRC2 (external
> device), KRX3, KXV3, and the various FLn filters both Main and Sub.
> However, you can't necessarily trust their settings. Some can be set On or
> Nor(mal) even if the device in question is absent. And the filter
> bandwidths could be fudged. But they're a great way to start inventorying
> what's probably there and many can be tested for presence without invasion.
> Checking the Order page at elecraft.com may clue you as to other options
> and modifications that could be present without corresponding menu entries.
> Alas, I don't think there is a "K3, Explain Thyself" function.
> 
> GL & 73,
> 
> /Rick N6XI
> 
> On Mon, May 1, 2017 at 11:59 AM, paule408--- via Elecraft <
> elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
> 
>> For the Elecraft "brain trust"
>> I have a K3, P3 and KAT500 that I am about to sell.
>> How do I inventory the K3 so that I can list what options and filters it
>> has?
>> Is there a way to do this from the menus short of taking the cover off?
>> Thanks,
>> Paul N6PSEpaul at n6pse.com
>> ______________________________________________________________
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> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> 
> Rick Tavan
> Truckee, CA
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From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Mon May  1 21:18:55 2017
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Mon, 1 May 2017 21:18:55 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Question-How to inventory a K3?
In-Reply-To: <1577492154.1751694.1493665179455@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1577492154.1751694.1493665179455.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<1577492154.1751694.1493665179455@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <442b854d-bbc0-8021-6ee6-eacdca7d0478@embarqmail.com>

Paul,

Actually, it is easy to take the cover off (9 screws) and see, 
especially if the SubRX is not installed.
Download the K3 Assembly manual to see how it goes together for the 
various options and allow you to check them for presence or absence.

If you ordered the K3 Factory Built, then your order form and Invoice 
should be able to tell you what is installed.  You should also be aware 
of any options and filters you installed afterwards.

If you bought it used, you will need to physically inspect it for 
options.  Some can be determined from the outside.
Does it have 2 SO-239 jacks for ANT1 and ANT2? - if so, the KAT3 is 
installed.
Does it have two fans on the rear panel? - if so the KPA3 (100 watt amp) 
is installed.
Does it have a row of BNC jacks on the lower back panel? - if so, the 
KXV3 is installed, but you will not know if it is the KXV3A.
Does it have ANT3 installed? - if so, it has the K144XV installed, and 
the KXV3 must be the "A" level.
Do you see an SMA connector on the KXV3 rear panel? - if so, the EXT REF 
option is installed.
Take the top cover off, do you see all the way to the RF Board or do you 
see an "L" shaped assembly near the top? - If you see down to the RF 
Board, the SubRX (KRX3) in *not* installed.

That will not tell you whether the KBPF3 is installed - the best way to 
determine if that is installed is by inspection.

If the only question is about the installed filters, open the top cover. 
  There should be a label on the inside of the top cover with the 
installed filters listed.

Once you know what to look for

73,
Don W3FPR

On 5/1/2017 2:59 PM, paule408--- via Elecraft wrote:
> For the Elecraft "brain trust"
> I have a K3, P3 and KAT500 that I am about to sell.
> How do I inventory the K3 so that I can list what options and filters it has?
> Is there a way to do this from the menus short of taking the cover off?

From josh at voodoolab.com  Mon May  1 21:27:34 2017
From: josh at voodoolab.com (Josh Fiden)
Date: Mon, 1 May 2017 18:27:34 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Current OT threads (was: Elecraft Island & CB in 9.0
	quakes)
In-Reply-To: <c6d1145f-3bbe-690b-edb6-36e1c79b1161@surcp.org>
References: <1493301060835-7630020.post@n2.nabble.com>
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	<67e11e26-74b3-7368-9306-8850ace26411@coho.net>
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	<807a9a15-0a54-f66a-42b2-cacd938de4e7@coho.net>
	<BBB1D91C-3F63-4A9A-BAAF-0771F88E0CF0@wi.rr.com>
	<8c452a5d-bfbb-f6e0-91d7-390cb8fb7a43@coho.net>
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Message-ID: <84f83585-20e4-d10d-048a-78187037b4b0@voodoolab.com>

I respectfully suggest that we show Eric we can play nice all by 
ourselves and close this & related OT threads.

And yes, my delete key works fine.

Thanks & 73,
Josh

On 4/30/2017 6:44 PM, KG7FYI wrote:
> The models DOGAMI (Oregon Dept. of Geology and Mining) has released
> shows a 71 foot tsunami if the quake is 9+. I'm glad I am out of the
> coast range and in the Cascades.


From nr4c at widomaker.com  Mon May  1 21:51:40 2017
From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c)
Date: Mon, 1 May 2017 21:51:40 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Equipment chat group
In-Reply-To: <CA+33ts5HEmGqty55Xgu4tbp3WVO7oghkkUytitpX5LjhPFi3fA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+33ts5HEmGqty55Xgu4tbp3WVO7oghkkUytitpX5LjhPFi3fA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <EF0A8FEC-FBD7-45A5-AB16-3BD6CFF110C8@widomaker.com>

Not I. 

I use the DELETE key a lot. 

We don't need another group, but maybe a bit more etiquette on this one. 

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill


> On May 1, 2017, at 8:05 AM, Michael Walker <va3mw at portcredit.net> wrote:
> 
> Hi All
> 
> I am thinking of starting an Elecraft email forum that would focus only on
> Elecraft equipment.
> 
> While I like this list for the Elecraft discussions, about 50% of it is
> related to off topic items and they flood my inbox with hundreds of emails.
> 
> How many of you would be interested?
> 
> 73 all, Mike va3mw
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From k4zrj at icloud.com  Mon May  1 22:05:59 2017
From: k4zrj at icloud.com (Charles Johnson)
Date: Mon, 01 May 2017 22:05:59 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 power supply fan?
Message-ID: <56F8475C-9B28-4FC9-AC7A-FB2201625A72@icloud.com>

I?ve seen no mention of a fan inside the power supply cabinet of the new KPA1500. Anyone know if one is there and what might be the noise impact? Variable speed maybe?

73, Charles, K4ZRJ



From nr4c at widomaker.com  Mon May  1 22:10:05 2017
From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c)
Date: Mon, 1 May 2017 22:10:05 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Audio On K3 (solved)
In-Reply-To: <DM5PR19MB1577C28BDB6F94BF52753131F5140@DM5PR19MB1577.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>
References: <DM5PR19MB1577C28BDB6F94BF52753131F5140@DM5PR19MB1577.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <D828BE1D-3593-4CC2-A17E-EA17F8C8E054@widomaker.com>

All it takes is a little too much pressure for too long on the "left" Mode button and you Reverse the Mode. 

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill


> On May 1, 2017, at 10:39 AM, louis a. ives <hotrod541 at hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I feel like a idiot, Ted was right upper side band  had flipped to lower side band. I guess that you always miss the obvious and make things too difficult when not needed. I need to find why it happened as 15 meter also had flipped. Thanks to all who gave suggestions, I placed those on my "When it don't work" list.
> 73 to all
> Buddy, KJ4ZSI
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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> I feel like a idiot, Ted was right upper side band  had flipped to lower side band. I guess that you always miss the obvious and make things too difficult when not needed. I need to find why it happened as 15 meter also had flipped. Thanks to all who gave suggestions, I placed those on my "When it don't work" list.
> 73 to all
> Buddy, KJ4ZSI
> 
> 
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From kevin at ve3syb.ca  Mon May  1 22:36:56 2017
From: kevin at ve3syb.ca (Kevin Cozens)
Date: Mon, 1 May 2017 22:36:56 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Affordability of the *NEW* K-Line
In-Reply-To: <26165890-3172-4209-BA79-8AECD98B8809@gmail.com>
References: <EDDA113E-7BBE-47F2-B2F2-698780737C35@mac.com>
	<26165890-3172-4209-BA79-8AECD98B8809@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ab215d6f-fe90-822b-0da2-778be0c0b135@ve3syb.ca>

On 2017-04-30 11:26 PM, Rick Dettinger wrote:
>>
> And, that was for an amplifier that would have been closer to the KPA500 amp.  About 500 watts out.
>
> 73, Rick, K7MW
>
>> Collins 30S-1 Linear Amplifier (1 KW), 1958, original cost: $1556, cost in 2017 dollars: $13,264
>>
>>
>>
>> So, a new technology K-Line is not that bad as something equivalent from Collins back in the 1950s
>> could easily cost 4 times as much today!

It is interesting to see the price comparisons of a high end K3 set up 
against some of the higher end (back in the day) equipment. I wonder about 
the definition of "affordable". The cost of a K3 system for me is not 
affordable.

-- 
Cheers!

Kevin.

http://www.ve3syb.ca/           |"Nerds make the shiny things that distract
Owner of Elecraft K2 #2172      | the mouth-breathers, and that's why we're
                                 | powerful!"
#include <disclaimer/favourite> |             --Chris Hardwick

From cautery at montac.com  Mon May  1 22:40:39 2017
From: cautery at montac.com (Clay Autery)
Date: Mon, 1 May 2017 21:40:39 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 power supply fan?
In-Reply-To: <56F8475C-9B28-4FC9-AC7A-FB2201625A72@icloud.com>
References: <56F8475C-9B28-4FC9-AC7A-FB2201625A72@icloud.com>
Message-ID: <6139585a-e890-65ed-0373-881b342012c2@montac.com>

It's a purpose built switcher, so they may have been able to use
passive-only thermal management...

______________________
Clay Autery, KY5G

On 5/1/2017 9:05 PM, Charles Johnson wrote:
> I?ve seen no mention of a fan inside the power supply cabinet of the new KPA1500. Anyone know if one is there and what might be the noise impact? Variable speed maybe?
>
> 73, Charles, K4ZRJ
>
>
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From eric_csuf at hotmail.com  Mon May  1 23:09:32 2017
From: eric_csuf at hotmail.com (Eric J)
Date: Tue, 2 May 2017 03:09:32 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Affordability of the *NEW* K-Line
In-Reply-To: <ab215d6f-fe90-822b-0da2-778be0c0b135@ve3syb.ca>
References: <EDDA113E-7BBE-47F2-B2F2-698780737C35@mac.com>
	<26165890-3172-4209-BA79-8AECD98B8809@gmail.com>
	<ab215d6f-fe90-822b-0da2-778be0c0b135@ve3syb.ca>
Message-ID: <BN3PR0301MB08845A0F0438AAF8A44D993F8E170@BN3PR0301MB0884.namprd03.prod.outlook.com>

I think these price comparisons are fairly accurate.  A new 30S-1 costed about the same as a new low end car. A Fiat 1100D or VW Beetle went for around $1500-1800 in the early 60s and a low end car today would be around $12-15,000.

However, with ham gear and with cars, actually anything with extensive technology, you get a whole lot more for that money today. A ham in 1958 would not be able to even imagine a KPA500 or a 2017 Fiat 500.

Eric KE6US

On 5/1/2017 7:36 PM, Kevin Cozens wrote:
On 2017-04-30 11:26 PM, Rick Dettinger wrote:

And, that was for an amplifier that would have been closer to the KPA500 amp.  About 500 watts out.

73, Rick, K7MW

Collins 30S-1 Linear Amplifier (1 KW), 1958, original cost: $1556, cost in 2017 dollars: $13,264



So, a new technology K-Line is not that bad as something equivalent from Collins back in the 1950s
could easily cost 4 times as much today!

It is interesting to see the price comparisons of a high end K3 set up against some of the higher end (back in the day) equipment. I wonder about the definition of "affordable". The cost of a K3 system for me is not affordable.



From gm3sek at ifwtech.co.uk  Tue May  2 03:21:19 2017
From: gm3sek at ifwtech.co.uk (Ian White)
Date: Tue, 2 May 2017 08:21:19 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] Audio On K3 (solved)
In-Reply-To: <D828BE1D-3593-4CC2-A17E-EA17F8C8E054@widomaker.com>
References: <DM5PR19MB1577C28BDB6F94BF52753131F5140@DM5PR19MB1577.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>
	<D828BE1D-3593-4CC2-A17E-EA17F8C8E054@widomaker.com>
Message-ID: <006701d2c314$b700f060$2502d120$@co.uk>

>All it takes is a little too much pressure for too long on the "left"
Mode
>button and you Reverse the Mode.

We've all done it - which is why Elecraft has included an option for
audible button feedback tones. 

New users like Buddy may find it helpful to turn these tones on. 'Hold'
CONFIG to bring up the Configuration settings menu, and then rotate the
VFOB knob to find SW TONES. Rotate the VFOA knob to turn this option ON.
>From now on, when you either Tap or Hold a button you will hear a
different pattern of feedback tones.

The Owner's Manual explains this in more detail - but it's deeply hidden
in the listing of CONFIG menu settings where no new user could possibly
be expected to find it. While I agree with Jim K9YC about the virtues of
"studying" user manuals, we should never make excuses for the
shortcomings of the manuals themselves. 

In this particular case, the obvious place to mention the switch
feedback tones is very early in the manual, when explaining that vital
difference between a Tap and a Hold. And since these tones are intended
to be helpful for new users, isn't it curious that the factory default
setting is OFF?

73 from Ian GM3SEK


>-----Original Message-----
>From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of
>Nr4c
>Sent: 02 May 2017 03:10
>To: louis a. ives
>Cc: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Audio On K3 (solved)
>
>All it takes is a little too much pressure for too long on the "left"
Mode
>button and you Reverse the Mode.
>
>Sent from my iPhone
>...nr4c. bill
>
>
>> On May 1, 2017, at 10:39 AM, louis a. ives <hotrod541 at hotmail.com>
>wrote:
>>
>> I feel like a idiot, Ted was right upper side band  had flipped to
lower side
>band. I guess that you always miss the obvious and make things too
difficult
>when not needed. I need to find why it happened as 15 meter also had
>flipped. Thanks to all who gave suggestions, I placed those on my "When
it
>don't work" list.
>> 73 to all
>> Buddy, KJ4ZSI
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
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>> I feel like a idiot, Ted was right upper side band  had flipped to
lower side
>band. I guess that you always miss the obvious and make things too
difficult
>when not needed. I need to find why it happened as 15 meter also had
>flipped. Thanks to all who gave suggestions, I placed those on my "When
it
>don't work" list.
>> 73 to all
>> Buddy, KJ4ZSI
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
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From radioprincegeorge at gmail.com  Tue May  2 10:40:55 2017
From: radioprincegeorge at gmail.com (Don Pomplun)
Date: Tue, 2 May 2017 10:40:55 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Equipment chat group
In-Reply-To: <002801d2c297$a0632cb0$e1298610$@biz>
References: <CA+33ts5HEmGqty55Xgu4tbp3WVO7oghkkUytitpX5LjhPFi3fA@mail.gmail.com>
	<f66dc973-b066-88bf-701d-a42605dc88e9@gmail.com>
	<CA+33ts4gGW7eWrMF-d6mUNHmWSadcytDHN0D1c0YNju-F=3RbA@mail.gmail.com>
	<002801d2c297$a0632cb0$e1298610$@biz>
Message-ID: <50757581-5215-cc5a-b094-714f512cdaa6@gmail.com>

I recently signed up for the eHam list which is organized by interest 
area, posted a couple questions, received relevant answers & comments 
and am not bothered by OT stuff.  Those here with all these OT messages 
would probably get better info from a wider audience.
I joined this group because I'm an Elecraft owner and found it to be a 
good resource.  100 posts per day, mostly OT, or Me Too is too much.  
Occasionally I've taken the whole mailbox and sorted it on the From 
column,  reading only posts from Eric & Wayne.
73   Don   K2BIO

From hlyingst at yahoo.com  Tue May  2 10:36:54 2017
From: hlyingst at yahoo.com (Harry Yingst)
Date: Tue, 2 May 2017 14:36:54 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 Low Battery Voltage Cutout Circuit?
References: <599025111.658598.1493735814043.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <599025111.658598.1493735814043@mail.yahoo.com>



I have the internal SLA battery for my K2 and would like to add a Low Battery Voltage Cutout Circuit.

Has anyone already done this and if so what did you use (AKA I'm trying to not reinvent the wheel)

I'm basically looking for something that is small and  RF quiet since I want to mount it inside the K2.


Thank you

From ron at k5mm.com  Tue May  2 11:02:29 2017
From: ron at k5mm.com ( Ron Freeman)
Date: Tue, 2 May 2017 10:02:29 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 and Accessories For Sale
Message-ID: <0b2701d2c355$1ed5f2e0$5c81d8a0$@k5mm.com>

I have an Elecraft K3/100-F for sale-the radio is factory assembled and I'm
the original owner. The radio is in excellent cosmetic condition and has
never been operated out of the shack, around pets or smoke.

 

I recently shipped the radio to Elecraft for migration to a K3S, updates and
a checkout. The radio was returned yesterday and is in a sealed box.  A
letter from Elecraft, dated 24 April 17, states the radio "meets or exceeds
all factory specifications".  Elecraft options and/or updates include the
following:

 

1. KPA3-F: Antenna Tuner

2. KXV3B-F: RX Ant, IF Out (for P3), Pre-Amps & Transverter Interface (The
upgraded board used in the K3S).

3. KSYN3AUPGD-F: Synthesizer board (The upgraded board used in the K3S).

4. 250hz CW Filter.

5. Numerous minor Elecraft installed and documented updates too numerous to
list including the "KPOD Ready" modification that provides power to the KPOD
via the RJ45 Jack on the bottom panel.

 

The firm price is $2,000 plus shipping.

 

I also have available a PR6 pre-amplifier (replaced by the new KX3VB-F
above), the original K3 synthesizer and KX3VA interface boards.  

 

Finally, available for sale is a MicroHam Micro KEYER MKII, DB37 cable and
other related accessories including keypad and iLink cable for the SteppIR
controller.   This equipment is also in excellent condition-I'm the original
owner. Please inquire regarding pricing.

 

73//k5mm/ron

 


From kl7uw at acsalaska.net  Tue May  2 12:57:55 2017
From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole)
Date: Tue, 02 May 2017 08:57:55 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Preamp 2 Six Meter Noise Figure
Message-ID: <201705021658.v42GvvBs024455@mail47c28.carrierzone.com>

I did some checking on this.

QST article shows K3S MDS using preamp 2 as -145 dBm for 6m which is 
pretty good.
Calculating MDS for a NF of 2 dB provides -146.5 dBm using a bandpass 
of 500-Hz (which is what Elecraft cites for MDS).

The NF for 14 MHz is 8 dB (which is nominal on most new HF 
receivers).  MDS = -139 dBm measured by ARRL for preamp 1

I use the PR6-10 on my K3 which the same as preamp 2 in the K3S (I believe).
My external ARR GasFet preamp is cited 0.5 dB NF which corresponds to 
-155.1 dBm (with PR6-10 off)

-145 dBm is quite respectable MDS on 6m.  -155 dBm is eme level.

73, Ed - KL7UW
   http://www.kl7uw.com
Dubus-NA Business mail:
   dubususa at gmail.com 


From jwsturges at gmail.com  Tue May  2 14:26:27 2017
From: jwsturges at gmail.com (Jim Sr Sturges)
Date: Tue, 02 May 2017 18:26:27 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] K2X HRD PTT interface
Message-ID: <CABPLeqp=KM1kfgQJQ+e1fygSKFK7qAetu4+_pQG5gWXVOfH6eg@mail.gmail.com>

First post. Connecting KX2 to HRD on Surface Pro 3 using provided ACC-USB
cable, and audio via cables to a USB sound dongle.

PSK-31 using USB mode on 20M: Receive works great. When I transmit, TX
light comes on, data is sent, but TX light stays on even though transmit
power drops to zero.

Would like to have transmitter stop!

Anybody have the majick mouth-holding tricks?

Thanks in advance and 73,

Jim N3SZ

From km4ik.ian at gmail.com  Tue May  2 14:36:48 2017
From: km4ik.ian at gmail.com (Ian Kahn)
Date: Tue, 2 May 2017 14:36:48 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K2X HRD PTT interface
In-Reply-To: <CABPLeqp=KM1kfgQJQ+e1fygSKFK7qAetu4+_pQG5gWXVOfH6eg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABPLeqp=KM1kfgQJQ+e1fygSKFK7qAetu4+_pQG5gWXVOfH6eg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFHjwP53-z0fE-cGuAdReBFR9nrp3qdN02hjReWs1OTe0SwUPw@mail.gmail.com>

Are you using macros in DM780? Do you have the <stop> command in the
macros, if you are?

73 de,

--Ian
Ian Kahn, KM4IK
Roswell, GA  EM74ua
km4ik.ian at gmail.com
10-10 #74624  North Georgia Chapter #2038
PODXS 070 #1962
K3 #281, P3 #688 KAT500 #860, KPA500 #1468

On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 2:26 PM, Jim Sr Sturges <jwsturges at gmail.com> wrote:

> First post. Connecting KX2 to HRD on Surface Pro 3 using provided ACC-USB
> cable, and audio via cables to a USB sound dongle.
>
> PSK-31 using USB mode on 20M: Receive works great. When I transmit, TX
> light comes on, data is sent, but TX light stays on even though transmit
> power drops to zero.
>
> Would like to have transmitter stop!
>
> Anybody have the majick mouth-holding tricks?
>
> Thanks in advance and 73,
>
> Jim N3SZ
> ______________________________________________________________
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From jwsturges at gmail.com  Tue May  2 14:46:01 2017
From: jwsturges at gmail.com (Jim Sr Sturges)
Date: Tue, 02 May 2017 18:46:01 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] K2X HRD PTT interface
In-Reply-To: <CAFHjwP53-z0fE-cGuAdReBFR9nrp3qdN02hjReWs1OTe0SwUPw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABPLeqp=KM1kfgQJQ+e1fygSKFK7qAetu4+_pQG5gWXVOfH6eg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAFHjwP53-z0fE-cGuAdReBFR9nrp3qdN02hjReWs1OTe0SwUPw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CABPLeqoEBUDWnwONYw_-FGnO+hoK4Q2QkYtpTL_0EVqC03s4Ug@mail.gmail.com>

Yes, Macros are in use, and yes, <stop> command is the last item in the
macro.

73

On Tue, 2 May 2017 at 14:36 Ian Kahn <km4ik.ian at gmail.com> wrote:

> Are you using macros in DM780? Do you have the <stop> command in the
> macros, if you are?
>
> 73 de,
>
> --Ian
> Ian Kahn, KM4IK
> Roswell, GA  EM74ua
> km4ik.ian at gmail.com
> 10-10 #74624  North Georgia Chapter #2038
> PODXS 070 #1962
> K3 #281, P3 #688 KAT500 #860, KPA500 #1468
>
> On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 2:26 PM, Jim Sr Sturges <jwsturges at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> First post. Connecting KX2 to HRD on Surface Pro 3 using provided ACC-USB
>> cable, and audio via cables to a USB sound dongle.
>>
>> PSK-31 using USB mode on 20M: Receive works great. When I transmit, TX
>> light comes on, data is sent, but TX light stays on even though transmit
>> power drops to zero.
>>
>> Would like to have transmitter stop!
>>
>> Anybody have the majick mouth-holding tricks?
>>
>> Thanks in advance and 73,
>>
>> Jim N3SZ
>>
> ______________________________________________________________
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>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
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>
>

From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Tue May  2 15:11:33 2017
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Tue, 2 May 2017 15:11:33 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K2X HRD PTT interface
In-Reply-To: <CABPLeqp=KM1kfgQJQ+e1fygSKFK7qAetu4+_pQG5gWXVOfH6eg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABPLeqp=KM1kfgQJQ+e1fygSKFK7qAetu4+_pQG5gWXVOfH6eg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6f437609-3ce8-1efd-0046-c3f3ef1dab63@embarqmail.com>

Jim,

Are you using PTT and VOX both?  If so, try only one.
With HRD, you can set PTT via command (no physical connection to the 
hardware PTT line).  That has always worked well for me, but I have not 
tried it with the KX2.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 5/2/2017 2:26 PM, Jim Sr Sturges wrote:
> First post. Connecting KX2 to HRD on Surface Pro 3 using provided ACC-USB
> cable, and audio via cables to a USB sound dongle.
> 
> PSK-31 using USB mode on 20M: Receive works great. When I transmit, TX
> light comes on, data is sent, but TX light stays on even though transmit
> power drops to zero.
> 
> Would like to have transmitter stop!
> 

From jwsturges at gmail.com  Tue May  2 16:27:28 2017
From: jwsturges at gmail.com (Jim Sr Sturges)
Date: Tue, 02 May 2017 20:27:28 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] K2X HRD PTT interface
In-Reply-To: <6f437609-3ce8-1efd-0046-c3f3ef1dab63@embarqmail.com>
References: <CABPLeqp=KM1kfgQJQ+e1fygSKFK7qAetu4+_pQG5gWXVOfH6eg@mail.gmail.com>
	<6f437609-3ce8-1efd-0046-c3f3ef1dab63@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <CABPLeqo5PV01uaaDs8Nh=SUj1a0wC2EwXZeXsHjOOR2Gv4vqNg@mail.gmail.com>

Don,

Thanks. Gave up and used Vox. Can't see any ALC limiting, but can hear
outgoing signal on another radio. Still tweaking and haven't had first QSO
yet, but hope springs always!

73,

Jim N3SZ
On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 3:11 PM Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com> wrote:

> Jim,
>
> Are you using PTT and VOX both?  If so, try only one.
> With HRD, you can set PTT via command (no physical connection to the
> hardware PTT line).  That has always worked well for me, but I have not
> tried it with the KX2.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 5/2/2017 2:26 PM, Jim Sr Sturges wrote:
> > First post. Connecting KX2 to HRD on Surface Pro 3 using provided ACC-USB
> > cable, and audio via cables to a USB sound dongle.
> >
> > PSK-31 using USB mode on 20M: Receive works great. When I transmit, TX
> > light comes on, data is sent, but TX light stays on even though transmit
> > power drops to zero.
> >
> > Would like to have transmitter stop!
> >
>

From josh at voodoolab.com  Tue May  2 16:49:54 2017
From: josh at voodoolab.com (Josh Fiden)
Date: Tue, 2 May 2017 13:49:54 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 power supply fan?
In-Reply-To: <6139585a-e890-65ed-0373-881b342012c2@montac.com>
References: <56F8475C-9B28-4FC9-AC7A-FB2201625A72@icloud.com>
	<6139585a-e890-65ed-0373-881b342012c2@montac.com>
Message-ID: <5a289506-0cc1-3784-ee97-9312ec86b0ad@voodoolab.com>

Not likely. 2400W output, optimistic efficiency 95%, you've got to dump 
 >125W heat key down at full power on high duty cycle modes. It has a 
fan, but who cares? You can move the power supply away from operating 
desk (very happy about this feature!) and besides, if you're concerned 
about fan noise the amp will be most of it.

73,
Josh W6XU

On 5/1/2017 7:40 PM, Clay Autery wrote:
> It's a purpose built switcher, so they may have been able to use
> passive-only thermal management...
>
> ______________________
> Clay Autery, KY5G
>
> On 5/1/2017 9:05 PM, Charles Johnson wrote:
>> I?ve seen no mention of a fan inside the power supply cabinet of the new KPA1500. Anyone know if one is there and what might be the noise impact? Variable speed maybe?
>>
>>


From hans.elfelt at me.com  Tue May  2 16:55:32 2017
From: hans.elfelt at me.com (Hans Bonnesen)
Date: Tue, 02 May 2017 22:55:32 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] Memory mode with K2
Message-ID: <79563682-73FB-4AD4-921D-C03229E03F8C@me.com>

Using Ham Radio Deluxe ( free version ) with my K2 I have noticed: 
 
1) at intervals the HRD locks down saying:
No connection to your radio as it has entered a memory mode.
Sitting 200 miles away this is the sad end to remote operation.
The only way out, is to pull the big switch using my cell-phone 
remote off-switch. This will ?kill? the K2 and its companion PC.
The K2 manual does not mention this anywhere,
or could I have overlooked something.!!!

2) Another strange behaviour is that the ?TUNE?  position  is 
accidentally locking in, causing the K2 to emit constantly a tuning signal.
There is apparently no way to reset the K2, and again I have to
?kill? the whole set-up by using my cell-phone remote off-switch!

Sad show indeed. ?? Any similar experiences and ways to defeat the issue ?

With thanks
 
Hans, OZ5RB

From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Tue May  2 17:01:35 2017
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Tue, 2 May 2017 17:01:35 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K2X HRD PTT interface
In-Reply-To: <CABPLeqo5PV01uaaDs8Nh=SUj1a0wC2EwXZeXsHjOOR2Gv4vqNg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABPLeqp=KM1kfgQJQ+e1fygSKFK7qAetu4+_pQG5gWXVOfH6eg@mail.gmail.com>
	<6f437609-3ce8-1efd-0046-c3f3ef1dab63@embarqmail.com>
	<CABPLeqo5PV01uaaDs8Nh=SUj1a0wC2EwXZeXsHjOOR2Gv4vqNg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <940897d6-324e-84c9-2935-0ba6bc092360@embarqmail.com>

Jim,


I assume you have the KX2 (not the K2X).

For proper operation, you must have an indication on the ALC meter.  4 
bars solid with the 5th bar flashing.
If you do not achieve that condition, the power output will be erratic.
Note well, that is the "NO ALC" point for the KX2, KX3, K3 and K3S.  ALC 
starts at the 5th bar - the other 4 bars are there to allow you to 
adjust the audio gain.

The usual problem is not enough audio gain - If you have the KX2 Mic 
Gain at a very high setting, that may be too much - I know the KX3 
reduces the audio if there is too much, and I assume the KX2 does also.
Start with the MIC gain low and in the computer (and HRD), set the 
soundcard speaker (or line) to about 50%.
Then turn up the MIC Gain until you have the proper number of ALC bars.

Set the desired power on the KX2 and operate.
Ignore the common internet advice to adjust the power with the audio 
level, it does not work well with Elecraft gear.

73,
Don W3FPR


On 5/2/2017 4:27 PM, Jim Sr Sturges wrote:
> Don,
>
> Thanks. Gave up and used Vox. Can't see any ALC limiting, but can hear 
> outgoing signal on another radio. Still tweaking and haven't had first 
> QSO yet, but hope springs always!
>


From jtmiller47 at gmail.com  Tue May  2 17:32:14 2017
From: jtmiller47 at gmail.com (Jim Miller)
Date: Tue, 2 May 2017 17:32:14 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KPOD toggle macros?
Message-ID: <9EDECBBC-65E8-41A4-AC1B-72831E65F912@gmail.com>

I'm finally back to working with my KPOD and some macros. 

Has anyone figured out how to do a toggle similar to what can be done on the K3 front panel?

I have a toggle on the K3 for doing my split up1 sequence and a second activation turns it all off. 

I'm looking to toggle DIGOUT1 which will switch between my vertical and an inverted V. 

A second one will be used to drive an aux out on the KPOD which will toggle my RX array direction. 

73

Jim ab3cv

From nr4c at widomaker.com  Tue May  2 17:46:18 2017
From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c)
Date: Tue, 2 May 2017 17:46:18 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K2X HRD PTT interface
In-Reply-To: <CABPLeqp=KM1kfgQJQ+e1fygSKFK7qAetu4+_pQG5gWXVOfH6eg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABPLeqp=KM1kfgQJQ+e1fygSKFK7qAetu4+_pQG5gWXVOfH6eg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A4BAE876-3829-47BD-A2C8-8E8E57CA125B@widomaker.com>

The "magic" is to check carefully to find ALL ways in which you have setup for PTT.   

This is a common problem and I'll bet you at least two PTT options set. The software turns one off and stops sending data. But the other is controlled by something else and didn't "get the memo". 

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill


> On May 2, 2017, at 2:26 PM, Jim Sr Sturges <jwsturges at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> First post. Connecting KX2 to HRD on Surface Pro 3 using provided ACC-USB
> cable, and audio via cables to a USB sound dongle.
> 
> PSK-31 using USB mode on 20M: Receive works great. When I transmit, TX
> light comes on, data is sent, but TX light stays on even though transmit
> power drops to zero.
> 
> Would like to have transmitter stop!
> 
> Anybody have the majick mouth-holding tricks?
> 
> Thanks in advance and 73,
> 
> Jim N3SZ
> ______________________________________________________________
> Elecraft mailing list
> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
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From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Tue May  2 17:48:50 2017
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Tue, 2 May 2017 17:48:50 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Memory mode with K2
In-Reply-To: <79563682-73FB-4AD4-921D-C03229E03F8C@me.com>
References: <79563682-73FB-4AD4-921D-C03229E03F8C@me.com>
Message-ID: <05c12a4b-592c-2c25-08a0-44388f3fdbaa@embarqmail.com>

Hans,

I have never dealt with a remote K2 setup, so I have no experience with 
that - but I do know the K2 quite well when operated locally.

I suspect the No Connection problem is a problem with the remote 
operation of HRD and not the K2 - too much "computer stuff" in the 
middle to know for sure.  Have you tried just re-booting only the PC at 
the remote location?

Are you using a real serial port to connect with the K2?  If not, I 
suggest you switch to one if you can.  Many USB to serial adapters do 
not like to work well at 4800bps, so a USB to serial adapter can be a 
source of strange problems.

The next time you visit the remote site, check the TUNE function with 
the pushbutton.  Again I suspect this is a problem with the computer to 
K2 communication.  A dropped bit in the data stream can cause strange 
things to happen.

You *can* do a Master Reset on the K2, but you will lose *all* the menu 
settings, INCLUDING the CAL PLL data and the CAL FIL data - everything 
will be set back to factory defaults for the basic K2.

If you want to try doing a Master Reset, not only must you be right in 
front of the K2, but you must take the top cover (or KPA100) off. 
Before you try a Master Reset, download the K2 A to B instructions from 
the Elecraft website.  The first pages of that document lead you through 
the steps to record all your menu settings including the filter 
settings.  (You will need to internal counter probe to do that part.)

After recording the menu information, hold the 4, 5 and 6 buttons on the 
keypad while powering on.
When the initialization has completed, put the internal counter probe 
into TP1 and run CAL PLL.  The move the internal counter probe into TP2 
and re-enter the filter settings (CAL FIL).
After that, you can re-store the remainder of the menu settings and you 
should be up and running.

Yes, it is not a trivial process, and I do not recommend it except in 
extreme cases.

I do complete re-alignment and calibration of many K2s where the owner 
thought that a Master Reset would fix something.  It really is not 
normally necessary, but on rare occasions, the EEPROM that the firmware 
works from does go astray.

Maybe someone else will come up with a cure that involves HRD and not 
the K2.

73,
Don W3FPR


On 5/2/2017 4:55 PM, Hans Bonnesen wrote:
> Using Ham Radio Deluxe ( free version ) with my K2 I have noticed:
>   
> 1) at intervals the HRD locks down saying:
> No connection to your radio as it has entered a memory mode.
> Sitting 200 miles away this is the sad end to remote operation.
> The only way out, is to pull the big switch using my cell-phone
> remote off-switch. This will ?kill? the K2 and its companion PC.
> The K2 manual does not mention this anywhere,
> or could I have overlooked something.!!!
> 
> 2) Another strange behaviour is that the ?TUNE?  position  is
> accidentally locking in, causing the K2 to emit constantly a tuning signal.
> There is apparently no way to reset the K2, and again I have to
> ?kill? the whole set-up by using my cell-phone remote off-switch!

From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Tue May  2 18:04:13 2017
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Tue, 2 May 2017 18:04:13 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KPOD toggle macros?
In-Reply-To: <9EDECBBC-65E8-41A4-AC1B-72831E65F912@gmail.com>
References: <9EDECBBC-65E8-41A4-AC1B-72831E65F912@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <367faaa0-8ac9-d1f4-3bda-6feb02677b81@embarqmail.com>

Jim,

That is "tricky and potentially dangerous".

The problem with toggles is that Macros do not know the current state of 
things, and the state cannot be interrogated using Macros because Macros 
do not include "IF Then" logic.  If you are looking at the display you 
can usually tell the state, but a Macro cannot.

A Macro can always initiate a button tap or hold using the "SWT or SWH" 
commands if not by other explicit commands, so yes, you can do it, but 
work in a logical manner to determine "which is what" and the logical 
sequence for one macro initiating another.
It may be easier to do something like that with 2 macros.  The advent of 
the K-Pod increased the number of Macros from 8 to 16, so it may be 
better to initiate the SPLIT with the tap of a button and cancel the 
split with a hold of that same button (2 separate macros).

73,
Don W3FPR

On 5/2/2017 5:32 PM, Jim Miller wrote:
> I'm finally back to working with my KPOD and some macros.
> 
> Has anyone figured out how to do a toggle similar to what can be done on the K3 front panel?
> 
> I have a toggle on the K3 for doing my split up1 sequence and a second activation turns it all off.
> 
> I'm looking to toggle DIGOUT1 which will switch between my vertical and an inverted V.
> 
> A second one will be used to drive an aux out on the KPOD which will toggle my RX array direction.
> 

From hlyingst at yahoo.com  Tue May  2 18:04:50 2017
From: hlyingst at yahoo.com (Harry Yingst)
Date: Tue, 2 May 2017 22:04:50 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] KPOD toggle macros?
In-Reply-To: <9EDECBBC-65E8-41A4-AC1B-72831E65F912@gmail.com>
References: <9EDECBBC-65E8-41A4-AC1B-72831E65F912@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1507898786.1122967.1493762690380@mail.yahoo.com>

I'm still waiting for the same thing, I think a part of it is that the k3 does not haveenough macros as each one of the 16 are already assigned to the KPOD buttons.




      From: Jim Miller <jtmiller47 at gmail.com>
 To: "Elecraft at mailman.qth.net" <Elecraft at mailman.qth.net> 
 Sent: Tuesday, May 2, 2017 5:34 PM
 Subject: [Elecraft] KPOD toggle macros?
   
I'm finally back to working with my KPOD and some macros. 

Has anyone figured out how to do a toggle similar to what can be done on the K3 front panel?

I have a toggle on the K3 for doing my split up1 sequence and a second activation turns it all off. 

I'm looking to toggle DIGOUT1 which will switch between my vertical and an inverted V. 

A second one will be used to drive an aux out on the KPOD which will toggle my RX array direction. 

73

Jim ab3cv
______________________________________________________________

   

From kf5wbs at yahoo.com  Tue May  2 19:08:42 2017
From: kf5wbs at yahoo.com (Tom branton)
Date: Tue, 2 May 2017 18:08:42 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Should we expect something new in Dayton?
Message-ID: <FBEEEB41-DAD0-404E-BD4C-7DBB13439AE9@yahoo.com>

Any thoughts on new Elecraft equipment being introduced at Dayton?


Sent from my iPad

From k6dgw at foothill.net  Tue May  2 19:33:56 2017
From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen)
Date: Tue, 2 May 2017 16:33:56 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Should we expect something new in Dayton?
In-Reply-To: <FBEEEB41-DAD0-404E-BD4C-7DBB13439AE9@yahoo.com>
References: <FBEEEB41-DAD0-404E-BD4C-7DBB13439AE9@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <7766bff6-2959-0341-a81d-ab6ec46f18c5@foothill.net>

IDXC wasn't enough? [:-)  I believe Elecraft is plenty big enough now to 
have more than one iron in the fire at any given time.  That doesn't 
equate to announcement of course.

Email_list_volume=New_Product_Announcements^2

Wish I could come.  I've only been to HARA once, years ago, it was a 
dump then, and it wasn't even Hamvention sadly.

73,

Fred ("Skip") K6DGW
Sparks NV USA
Washoe County DM09dn

On 5/2/2017 4:08 PM, Tom branton via Elecraft wrote:
> Any thoughts on new Elecraft equipment being introduced at Dayton?
>


From n1al at sonic.net  Tue May  2 19:53:04 2017
From: n1al at sonic.net (Alan Bloom)
Date: Tue, 2 May 2017 16:53:04 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Should we expect something new in Dayton?
In-Reply-To: <7766bff6-2959-0341-a81d-ab6ec46f18c5@foothill.net>
References: <FBEEEB41-DAD0-404E-BD4C-7DBB13439AE9@yahoo.com>
	<7766bff6-2959-0341-a81d-ab6ec46f18c5@foothill.net>
Message-ID: <36f57be7-5dad-97ad-8b6c-93f0f6c19cc8@sonic.net>

The Dayton Hamvention is no longer in Dayton.  I guess the Hara Arena 
just got too scuzzy.  The event is now in Xenia, a few miles east of Dayton.

http://hamvention.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/Map-to-Xenia.pdf

Alan N1AL


On 05/02/2017 04:33 PM, Fred Jensen wrote:
...
> Wish I could come.  I've only been to HARA once, years ago, it was a
> dump then, and it wasn't even Hamvention sadly.

From fcady at montana.edu  Tue May  2 19:57:53 2017
From: fcady at montana.edu (Cady, Fred)
Date: Tue, 2 May 2017 23:57:53 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] KPOD toggle macros?
In-Reply-To: <1507898786.1122967.1493762690380@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <9EDECBBC-65E8-41A4-AC1B-72831E65F912@gmail.com>,
	<1507898786.1122967.1493762690380@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CY4PR02MB3141F4D063955FA936EB4B89AF170@CY4PR02MB3141.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>

A work around is to make the two macros as you do now (chaining one to the other), assign them to two macro positions in the K3 and then assign them to one of the programmable function keys (like you do now).  Then, assign another of the K3 macros to tap or hold the function key (I know, there goes another macro position) and then use the KPOD associated with that macro to activate it.  So you have to use 3 K3 macros instead of 2.


Again, the term KPOD macro is a misnomer.  There aren't any macros in the KPOD, just the ability to use the KPOD switches to execute the K3 macros associated with that switch.




Cheers,

Fred KE7X


For all KE7X elecraft books, see www.ke7x.com<http://www.ke7x.com>


________________________________
From: Elecraft <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> on behalf of Harry Yingst via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Tuesday, May 2, 2017 4:04 PM
To: Jim Miller; Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPOD toggle macros?

I'm still waiting for the same thing, I think a part of it is that the k3 does not haveenough macros as each one of the 16 are already assigned to the KPOD buttons.




      From: Jim Miller <jtmiller47 at gmail.com>
 To: "Elecraft at mailman.qth.net" <Elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
 Sent: Tuesday, May 2, 2017 5:34 PM
 Subject: [Elecraft] KPOD toggle macros?

I'm finally back to working with my KPOD and some macros.

Has anyone figured out how to do a toggle similar to what can be done on the K3 front panel?

I have a toggle on the K3 for doing my split up1 sequence and a second activation turns it all off.

I'm looking to toggle DIGOUT1 which will switch between my vertical and an inverted V.

A second one will be used to drive an aux out on the KPOD which will toggle my RX array direction.

73

Jim ab3cv
______________________________________________________________


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From hlyingst at yahoo.com  Tue May  2 20:11:02 2017
From: hlyingst at yahoo.com (Harry Yingst)
Date: Wed, 3 May 2017 00:11:02 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] Should we expect something new in Dayton?
In-Reply-To: <FBEEEB41-DAD0-404E-BD4C-7DBB13439AE9@yahoo.com>
References: <FBEEEB41-DAD0-404E-BD4C-7DBB13439AE9@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <254006970.1263150.1493770262187@mail.yahoo.com>

Hopefully it's some more Kits

What first brought me to Elecraft was it being a Kit, but lately it seems more and more of it has become Non-Kits

      From: Tom branton via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
 To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net 
 Sent: Tuesday, May 2, 2017 7:10 PM
 Subject: [Elecraft] Should we expect something new in Dayton?
   
Any thoughts on new Elecraft equipment being introduced at Dayton?


Sent from my iPad
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From w0agmike at gmail.com  Tue May  2 20:20:17 2017
From: w0agmike at gmail.com (Mike Murray)
Date: Tue, 2 May 2017 19:20:17 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] FS - KFL3A-1.8k filter
Message-ID: <CAP7zeEK-x=F1OcNVJ+58nzQw2c0+oZ1uBsN0EhpXoU52nRogdw@mail.gmail.com>

Since I rarely use SSB and almost never contest in that mode, I'm selling
my 1.8K filter for that mode.  Already removed and ready to ship prepaid
for $90.  Let me know off list if you're interested - w0ag at arrl.net

Mike - W0AG

From glen.torr at gmail.com  Tue May  2 20:24:30 2017
From: glen.torr at gmail.com (Glen Torr)
Date: Wed, 3 May 2017 10:24:30 +1000
Subject: [Elecraft] Should we expect something new in Dayton?
In-Reply-To: <254006970.1263150.1493770262187@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <FBEEEB41-DAD0-404E-BD4C-7DBB13439AE9@yahoo.com>
	<254006970.1263150.1493770262187@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CAP3kmB7qpH0rESO=pyAYzDwv9dKtChm+gpDE5D72P5-UV4C43w@mail.gmail.com>

IIRC I saw a photo of a K3S next to a KPA1500. It struck me that the KPA's
enclosure was slightly larger than the K3S and I thought Hmm, maybe a K4
incorporating a P3 in a similar enclosure my be on the back burner :-).
73, Glen, VK1FB

From jtmiller47 at gmail.com  Tue May  2 20:30:48 2017
From: jtmiller47 at gmail.com (Jim Miller)
Date: Tue, 2 May 2017 20:30:48 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KPOD toggle macros?
In-Reply-To: <CY4PR02MB3141F4D063955FA936EB4B89AF170@CY4PR02MB3141.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
References: <9EDECBBC-65E8-41A4-AC1B-72831E65F912@gmail.com>
	<1507898786.1122967.1493762690380@mail.yahoo.com>
	<CY4PR02MB3141F4D063955FA936EB4B89AF170@CY4PR02MB3141.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <258CBB1D-B569-4E5A-868C-77448350148C@gmail.com>

No PFx left. I'll stick with separate buttons or tap/hold for now. 

Thanks all for saving me a bunch of dead end time. 

Jim ab3cv


On May 2, 2017, at 7:57 PM, Cady, Fred <fcady at montana.edu> wrote:

A work around is to make the two macros as you do now (chaining one to the other), assign them to two macro positions in the K3 and then assign them to one of the programmable function keys (like you do now).  Then, assign another of the K3 macros to tap or hold the function key (I know, there goes another macro position) and then use the KPOD associated with that macro to activate it.  So you have to use 3 K3 macros instead of 2.

Again, the term KPOD macro is a misnomer.  There aren't any macros in the KPOD, just the ability to use the KPOD switches to execute the K3 macros associated with that switch.


 
Cheers,

Fred KE7X


For all KE7X elecraft books, see www.ke7x.com



From: Elecraft <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> on behalf of Harry Yingst via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Tuesday, May 2, 2017 4:04 PM
To: Jim Miller; Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPOD toggle macros?
 
I'm still waiting for the same thing, I think a part of it is that the k3 does not haveenough macros as each one of the 16 are already assigned to the KPOD buttons.




      From: Jim Miller <jtmiller47 at gmail.com>
 To: "Elecraft at mailman.qth.net" <Elecraft at mailman.qth.net> 
 Sent: Tuesday, May 2, 2017 5:34 PM
 Subject: [Elecraft] KPOD toggle macros?
   
I'm finally back to working with my KPOD and some macros. 

Has anyone figured out how to do a toggle similar to what can be done on the K3 front panel?

I have a toggle on the K3 for doing my split up1 sequence and a second activation turns it all off. 

I'm looking to toggle DIGOUT1 which will switch between my vertical and an inverted V. 

A second one will be used to drive an aux out on the KPOD which will toggle my RX array direction. 

73

Jim ab3cv
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From hlyingst at yahoo.com  Tue May  2 20:31:12 2017
From: hlyingst at yahoo.com (Harry Yingst)
Date: Wed, 3 May 2017 00:31:12 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] KPOD toggle macros?
In-Reply-To: <CY4PR02MB3141F4D063955FA936EB4B89AF170@CY4PR02MB3141.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
References: <9EDECBBC-65E8-41A4-AC1B-72831E65F912@gmail.com>
	<1507898786.1122967.1493762690380@mail.yahoo.com>
	<CY4PR02MB3141F4D063955FA936EB4B89AF170@CY4PR02MB3141.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
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The problem with that is if you hold the button too long you mess up the macro.

Sadly the K-Pod appears to not be quite yet finished



      From: "Cady, Fred" <fcady at montana.edu>
 To: Jim Miller <jtmiller47 at gmail.com>; Harry Yingst <hlyingst at yahoo.com>; Elecraft list <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> 
 Sent: Tuesday, May 2, 2017 7:57 PM
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPOD toggle macros?
   
#yiv6913377253 #yiv6913377253 -- P {margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;}#yiv6913377253 A work around is to make the two macros as you do now (chaining one to the other), assign them to two macro positions in the K3 and then assign them to one of the programmable function keys (like you do now).? Then, assign another of the K3 macros to tap or hold the function key (I know, there goes another macro position) and then use the KPOD associated with that macro to activate it.? So you have to use 3 K3 macros instead of 2.

Again, the term KPOD macro is a misnomer.? There aren't any macros in the KPOD, just the ability to use the KPOD switches to execute the K3 macros associated with that switch.
?
Cheers,Fred KE7X

   

From w5jv at hotmail.com  Tue May  2 20:50:15 2017
From: w5jv at hotmail.com (Doug Hensley)
Date: Wed, 3 May 2017 00:50:15 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Changing the P3 to a Specific IF Frequency
Message-ID: <DM5PR15MB14350A86F4FDCD2652B2B53D91160@DM5PR15MB1435.namprd15.prod.outlook.com>

Does anyone know how to punch in a new IF frequency in the P3 ?


If so,


Please QSO privately.


Thank you,


Doug W5JV







From b.denley at comcast.net  Tue May  2 21:12:27 2017
From: b.denley at comcast.net (Brian Denley)
Date: Tue, 2 May 2017 21:12:27 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Should we expect something new in Dayton?
In-Reply-To: <254006970.1263150.1493770262187@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <FBEEEB41-DAD0-404E-BD4C-7DBB13439AE9@yahoo.com>
	<254006970.1263150.1493770262187@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <E5823072-A507-4BA1-BF82-E40B79DCCC96@comcast.net>

Agreed.  While I understand surface mount components have made kits harder to support, building the K2 was some of the most fun I have had in ham radio.

Brian 
KB1VBF
Sent from my iPad

> On May 2, 2017, at 8:11 PM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
> 
> Hopefully it's some more Kits
> 
> What first brought me to Elecraft was it being a Kit, but lately it seems more and more of it has become Non-Kits
> 
>      From: Tom branton via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net 
> Sent: Tuesday, May 2, 2017 7:10 PM
> Subject: [Elecraft] Should we expect something new in Dayton?
> 
> Any thoughts on new Elecraft equipment being introduced at Dayton?
> 
> 
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From hsherriff at reagan.com  Tue May  2 21:17:05 2017
From: hsherriff at reagan.com (Harlan Sherriff)
Date: Tue, 2 May 2017 21:17:05 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Changing the P3 to a Specific IF Frequency
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See page 25 of the P3 manual to set your IF freq to anywhere between 455kHz and 21.7 MHz

Harlan
K4HES

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> On May 2, 2017, at 8:50 PM, Doug Hensley <w5jv at hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Does anyone know how to punch in a new IF frequency in the P3 ?
> 
> 
> If so,
> 
> 
> Please QSO privately.
> 
> 
> Thank you,
> 
> 
> Doug W5JV
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From hlyingst at yahoo.com  Tue May  2 21:21:27 2017
From: hlyingst at yahoo.com (Harry Yingst)
Date: Wed, 3 May 2017 01:21:27 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] Should we expect something new in Dayton?
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Surface mount actually is pretty easy once you do it a few times.

In some cases it can actually be easier, there is none of the having to reform leads on components

like when you are provided a 2.5mm lead spaced part to go in holes 5mm apart etc.

All I use is my regular iron with a fine point tip some .5mm (.020") solder and a magnifying visor.



It's just like going from the old point to point with tubes to PC boards and ICs, not harder just different.

I think a lot of people are afraid to try it, but once yo uget the hand of doing it you will find it's almost easier.







________________________________
From: Brian Denley <b.denley at comcast.net>
To: Harry Yingst <hlyingst at yahoo.com> 
Cc: Tom branton <kf5wbs at yahoo.com>; "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Tuesday, May 2, 2017 9:12 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Should we expect something new in Dayton?



Agreed.  While I understand surface mount components have made kits harder to support, building the K2 was some of the most fun I have had in ham radio.

Brian 
KB1VBF
Sent from my iPad


> On May 2, 2017, at 8:11 PM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
> 
> Hopefully it's some more Kits
> 
> What first brought me to Elecraft was it being a Kit, but lately it seems more and more of it has become Non-Kits
> 
>      From: Tom branton via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net 
> Sent: Tuesday, May 2, 2017 7:10 PM
> Subject: [Elecraft] Should we expect something new in Dayton?
> 
> Any thoughts on new Elecraft equipment being introduced at Dayton?
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> ______________________________________________________________
> 
> 
>

From ki8w at ki8w.com  Tue May  2 21:26:13 2017
From: ki8w at ki8w.com (Thom)
Date: Tue, 2 May 2017 21:26:13 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Hello All
In-Reply-To: <E5823072-A507-4BA1-BF82-E40B79DCCC96@comcast.net>
References: <FBEEEB41-DAD0-404E-BD4C-7DBB13439AE9@yahoo.com>
	<254006970.1263150.1493770262187@mail.yahoo.com>
	<E5823072-A507-4BA1-BF82-E40B79DCCC96@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <a5d3c0bc-6c3f-1b0a-bf58-27d0dbe6e642@ki8w.com>

I am new to the list.  I have been reading the mail for the past few days.

I am not new to Elecraft Kits.  I built my first K2 back in 2005.  Since 
then I have built 6 of them for various friends.

Sold my personal K2 in 2009 because I got real sick.

Build another one last year but it turned into a nightmare.  My brain 
was not functioning well back then and the radio ended up scrapped. The 
rest went in the trash.

Anyway I have a K1 on order that should have been shipped today. Might 
take me a couple weeks to build it.  I am going to take it nice and slow.

thanks for reading.

73

Thom KI8W




From kevin at k4vd.net  Tue May  2 21:34:10 2017
From: kevin at k4vd.net (Kevin - K4VD)
Date: Tue, 2 May 2017 21:34:10 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Hello All
In-Reply-To: <a5d3c0bc-6c3f-1b0a-bf58-27d0dbe6e642@ki8w.com>
References: <FBEEEB41-DAD0-404E-BD4C-7DBB13439AE9@yahoo.com>
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	<E5823072-A507-4BA1-BF82-E40B79DCCC96@comcast.net>
	<a5d3c0bc-6c3f-1b0a-bf58-27d0dbe6e642@ki8w.com>
Message-ID: <CAFA9ujvK=O2OhaPZpRoaSpd9AVnJW-qmz6HX04NCLCpAfAeEww@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Thom!

Welcome back, hope you are well, and see you on the air OM.

73,
Kev K4VD

On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 9:26 PM, Thom <ki8w at ki8w.com> wrote:

> I am new to the list.  I have been reading the mail for the past few days.
>
> I am not new to Elecraft Kits.  I built my first K2 back in 2005.  Since
> then I have built 6 of them for various friends.
>
> Sold my personal K2 in 2009 because I got real sick.
>
> Build another one last year but it turned into a nightmare.  My brain was
> not functioning well back then and the radio ended up scrapped. The rest
> went in the trash.
>
> Anyway I have a K1 on order that should have been shipped today. Might
> take me a couple weeks to build it.  I am going to take it nice and slow.
>
> thanks for reading.
>
> 73
>
> Thom KI8W
>
>
>
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From hlyingst at yahoo.com  Tue May  2 21:42:52 2017
From: hlyingst at yahoo.com (Harry Yingst)
Date: Wed, 3 May 2017 01:42:52 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] Hello All
In-Reply-To: <a5d3c0bc-6c3f-1b0a-bf58-27d0dbe6e642@ki8w.com>
References: <FBEEEB41-DAD0-404E-BD4C-7DBB13439AE9@yahoo.com>
	<254006970.1263150.1493770262187@mail.yahoo.com>
	<E5823072-A507-4BA1-BF82-E40B79DCCC96@comcast.net>
	<a5d3c0bc-6c3f-1b0a-bf58-27d0dbe6e642@ki8w.com>
Message-ID: <1469755845.1315270.1493775772236@mail.yahoo.com>

Welcome
It's more fun to take your time, My 1st K2 I build in two weeks, the second one I took two months and had more fun.



      From: Thom <ki8w at ki8w.com>
 To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net 
 Sent: Tuesday, May 2, 2017 9:37 PM
 Subject: [Elecraft] Hello All
   
I am new to the list.? I have been reading the mail for the past few days.

I am not new to Elecraft Kits.? I built my first K2 back in 2005.? Since 
then I have built 6 of them for various friends.

Sold my personal K2 in 2009 because I got real sick.

Build another one last year but it turned into a nightmare.? My brain 
was not functioning well back then and the radio ended up scrapped. The 
rest went in the trash.

Anyway I have a K1 on order that should have been shipped today. Might 
take me a couple weeks to build it.? I am going to take it nice and slow.

thanks for reading.

73

Thom KI8W



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From k6dgw at foothill.net  Tue May  2 21:47:35 2017
From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen)
Date: Tue, 2 May 2017 18:47:35 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Should we expect something new in Dayton?
In-Reply-To: <36f57be7-5dad-97ad-8b6c-93f0f6c19cc8@sonic.net>
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Actually, Hara closed for good.  It was awful the one time I was there 
for a US Air Force conflagration, they'd have been better off holding it 
in a hangar at WPAFB.  Never been to the Greene County Fairgrounds, but 
it looks good.

73,

Fred ("Skip") K6DGW
Sparks NV USA
Washoe County DM09dn

On 5/2/2017 4:53 PM, Alan Bloom wrote:
> The Dayton Hamvention is no longer in Dayton.  I guess the Hara Arena 
> just got too scuzzy.  The event is now in Xenia, a few miles east of 
> Dayton.
>
> http://hamvention.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/Map-to-Xenia.pdf
>
> Alan N1AL
>
>
> On 05/02/2017 04:33 PM, Fred Jensen wrote:
> ...
>> Wish I could come.  I've only been to HARA once, years ago, it was a
>> dump then, and it wasn't even Hamvention sadly.
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From nr4c at widomaker.com  Tue May  2 22:44:23 2017
From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c)
Date: Tue, 2 May 2017 22:44:23 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Changing the P3 to a Specific IF Frequency
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Use menu to get to the setting near end of menu. 

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill


> On May 2, 2017, at 8:50 PM, Doug Hensley <w5jv at hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Does anyone know how to punch in a new IF frequency in the P3 ?
> 
> 
> If so,
> 
> 
> Please QSO privately.
> 
> 
> Thank you,
> 
> 
> Doug W5JV
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From km6cq at km6cq.com  Tue May  2 23:46:26 2017
From: km6cq at km6cq.com (Dan Baker)
Date: Tue, 2 May 2017 20:46:26 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Should we expect something new in Dayton?
Message-ID: <CADH=N1syO0uFvHP7_Gc2YuLG5gbia5NJEnXDoKKGz+6zAdSSRg@mail.gmail.com>

The blue in the display on the new amp would match a waterfall
display on something. Perhaps a cabinet the same size of the new amp. I
decided in January I was not going to buy another radio until Dayton.

Dan KM6CQ

From fptownsend at earthlink.net  Wed May  3 03:18:36 2017
From: fptownsend at earthlink.net (Fred Townsend)
Date: Wed, 3 May 2017 00:18:36 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] [Elecraft_K3] New from Elecraft: KPA1500 amplifier
	with built-in ATU, separate power supply
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References: <BEE9EAA6-28D5-43E8-AF80-CCA4C7474DCE@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <009101d2c3dd$7b949710$72bdc530$@earthlink.net>

Hi Wayne:

I noticed you are using the big Power Poles for the DC HV. I also note the cable length is listed at 5.5? and that longer cable lengths will be supported. I have found that high currents cables can be a PITA. I hope that you are using high flex welding cables, hopefully the kind with embedded control lines so that Kelvin sensing can be used for longer cable lengths. 

Are the fans temperature controlled liked KPA500?

I also have not seen the drive requirements listed. Have we gotten around the FCC 13db rule? 

Finally, you need to proof the FAQ one more time. You have ?cable? in place of ?cabinet? in one place.

 

73

Fred, AE6QL

 

From: Elecraft_K3 at yahoogroups.com [mailto:Elecraft_K3 at yahoogroups.com] 
Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2017 9:01 PM
To: Elecraft Reflector
Cc: elecraft_k3 at yahoogroups.com; elecraft at yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Elecraft_K3] New from Elecraft: KPA1500 amplifier with built-in ATU, separate power supply

 

  

We?re pleased to announce our KPA1500 solid-state amplifier, covering 160 to 6 meters. Max power output is 1500 Watts. Other important features include:

- Small RF deck fits on nearly any desktop (~4.5 x 13 x 11.5?, HWD); weighs only ~22 pounds
- Separate lightweight switching power supply weighs ~15 pounds (standard cable is 6 feet long)
- Styling matches our other K-Line products
- Built-in wide-range antenna tuner (ATU) with instant recall of per-band/per-segment settings
- Dual antenna jacks
- Rich I/O complement including Ethernet
- Interfaces to nearly any transceiver; fully integrated with K3 and K3S
- Extensive parametric monitoring ensures safe operation
- Silent PIN-diode T/R switching (no QSK relays)

Introductory price: $5995.

For photos and additional information, use the links below:

http://www.elecraft.com/KPA1500/KPA1500%20FAQ%20rev%20A1b.pdf

If you?d like to be notified when we begin taking orders, please contact Elecraft. Or add your name to the list at the Visalia DX convention this weekend. 

Required notification: "This device has not yet been authorized as required by FCC rules. It is not, and may not be
offered for sale, or lease, or sold or leased, until authorization is obtained."

73,
Wayne, N6KR
Eric, WA6HHQ

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From g6glp at strus.co.uk  Wed May  3 10:17:10 2017
From: g6glp at strus.co.uk (Tony G6GLP)
Date: Wed, 3 May 2017 15:17:10 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] KPOD toggle macros?
In-Reply-To: <553231038.1285347.1493771472637@mail.yahoo.com>
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Hi all,
The Kpod currently has no facility to do much more than initiate a key 
tap / hold with no facility to interrogate.
This I believe will all change when the ability to control the PC 
feature is enabled / built as then PC applications can be built to send 
what ever command is required to the K3 and that will include getting a 
status back on which a decision can be taken.

The big question therefore is when is the PC control function likely to 
be made available?

73 de Tony G6GLP

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From nx8g.01 at gmail.com  Wed May  3 10:43:54 2017
From: nx8g.01 at gmail.com (Rex Simmons, NX8G)
Date: Wed, 3 May 2017 10:43:54 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] FS - KX2, KXPA100 and Accessories
Message-ID: <b723d0da-4f1d-5371-7c9b-59b32ba9f7ee@gmail.com>

I have the following for sale in like new condition. non-smoking 
environment:

Item Code    Description                                  Price Paid
--------------    ------------------------------- ---------------

KX2-F        KX2 Transceiver - Assembled         $749.95
                     s/n 1219

KXAT2-F        KX2 ATU Option                            $179.95

KXIO2-F        IO Module/Real Time Clock        $69.95

KXBT2        Battery Pack (Qty 2)                        $119.90

KXBC2        Battery Charger                                $24.95

MH3        Hand Microphone                               $59.95

CS60        Travel Bag, Large $39.95

KX2ACBL        Accessory Cable                            $9.95

KX2GNDPLUG    Mini Banana Plug                    $6.95

BNC-BP        Connector BNC to Binding Posts    $5.95

E740305        KX2 Book by Fred Cady                $40.00

KX3-PCKT    Accessory Cable Set                        $19.95

PAE-KX33    Pro Audio Power Supply                $59.90

33-510        Right-Angle AC Adaptor for            $8.90
                     PAE-KX33

MM-KX2        Nifty Mini-Manual for KX2          $20.95

DS-KX2        Nifty Desk Stand for KX2               $25.95

KXPA100-AT-F    100W Amplifier with Antenna    $1179.90
         Tuner - Factory Assembled,  s/n 2137

KXPACBL        KX3 to KXPA100 Integrated I/O    $49.95
                         Cable

KX2ACBL        Accessory Cable for KX2        $9.95

The KX2 was purchased last November and the KXPA100 was purchased last 
January.

Total invested is $2682.90 plus shipping.

Asking $2200 shipped and insured to the continental US.
US Bank check or money order only, no PayPal.

I also have a SignaLink USB with jumper module and cables for the 
KX3/KX2 that I will
sell for $60.00 shipped and a Timwave Navigator master cable for the 
KX3/KX2 that
I will sell for $40.00 shipped.

If interested please contact me off list at NX8G.01 at gmail.com

Rex Simmons, NX8G


From n6kr at elecraft.com  Wed May  3 11:07:41 2017
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Wed, 3 May 2017 08:07:41 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Looking for Bay Area radio hikers with kids
Message-ID: <4602AF9F-A71B-4369-B067-7D04D82D64A9@elecraft.com>

Hi all,

My son is nearly 13 and an avid hiker/nature enthusiast. He and I trek all over Northern California, doing bouldering, bird watching, photography, beach combing, etc. Lengths of outings vary from a couple of hours to a couple of days. 

Here?s the non-OT part: There?s always a bit of QRP operation involved, sometimes to test new hardware or firmware. Griffin, tree climber extraordinaire, often does a high wire act to help optimize antennas. He?s especially handy at Field Day.

These trips are always more fun if there are other kids and parents along. Please contact me if you might be interested in joining us sometime, maybe starting with a short day hike. We live in Belmont but can meet up anywhere. (For his Spring Break we went to Valley of Fire, Nevada!)

73,
Wayne
N6KR


From ve3bwp at gmail.com  Wed May  3 13:39:54 2017
From: ve3bwp at gmail.com (Brian ve3bwp Pietrzyk)
Date: Wed, 3 May 2017 13:39:54 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Equipment chat group
Message-ID: <C306B6F7-2042-4D95-AC00-6B39B27B8E46@gmail.com>

Mike you know I?d follow you anywhere/anytime but in this case I would rather not have to join yet another group. It would just add to the problem I?m already having with HAM group email overload. This group is actively moderated so I?m fine with filtering the daily digests. 

If anything I wish this group were mirrored on facebook as it would be even easier to follow the threads and use the thread filter options there. In the digests there is no convenient way to unsubscribe from a thread where as this is a basic Facebook feature.

Brian ve3bwp


Date: Mon, 1 May 2017 08:05:54 -0400
From: Michael Walker <va3mw at portcredit.net <mailto:va3mw at portcredit.net>>
To: "Elecraft at mailman.qth.net <mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net>" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net <mailto:elecraft at mailman.qth.net>>
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Equipment chat group
Message-ID:
	<CA+33ts5HEmGqty55Xgu4tbp3WVO7oghkkUytitpX5LjhPFi3fA at mail.gmail.com <mailto:CA+33ts5HEmGqty55Xgu4tbp3WVO7oghkkUytitpX5LjhPFi3fA at mail.gmail.com>>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8

Hi All

I am thinking of starting an Elecraft email forum that would focus only on
Elecraft equipment.

While I like this list for the Elecraft discussions, about 50% of it is
related to off topic items and they flood my inbox with hundreds of emails.

How many of you would be interested?

73 all, Mike va3mw

From n9aa at arrl.net  Wed May  3 13:49:19 2017
From: n9aa at arrl.net (Scott Manthe)
Date: Wed, 3 May 2017 13:49:19 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] FS: Elecraft PR6 Preamp
Message-ID: <f3959faa-d9f8-cedd-5c32-afc8f73601da@arrl.net>

I have an Elecraft PR6 6 meter preamp that I no longer need, so it's up 
for sale. Make a reasonable offer and it's yours.

Regards,
Scott N9AA

From M0XDF at Alphadene.co.uk  Wed May  3 13:52:38 2017
From: M0XDF at Alphadene.co.uk (David Ferrington, M0XDF)
Date: Wed, 3 May 2017 18:52:38 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Equipment chat group
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Message-ID: <50C83796-471C-43FF-8B1C-B383D153C3C4@Alphadene.co.uk>

I?m afraid I wont be joining that - I think the one group from Elecraft Reflector is sufficient.

73 de David, M0XDF (K3 #174, P3 #108)
-- 
The bamboo that bends is stronger than the oak that resists. -Japanese proverb

> On 1 May 2017, at 13:05, Michael Walker <va3mw at portcredit.net> wrote:
> 
> Hi All
> 
> I am thinking of starting an Elecraft email forum that would focus only on
> Elecraft equipment.
> 
> While I like this list for the Elecraft discussions, about 50% of it is
> related to off topic items and they flood my inbox with hundreds of emails.
> 
> How many of you would be interested?
> 
> 73 all, Mike va3mw
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From eric at elecraft.com  Wed May  3 15:09:58 2017
From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft)
Date: Wed, 3 May 2017 12:09:58 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Equipment chat group
In-Reply-To: <50C83796-471C-43FF-8B1C-B383D153C3C4@Alphadene.co.uk>
References: <CA+33ts5HEmGqty55Xgu4tbp3WVO7oghkkUytitpX5LjhPFi3fA@mail.gmail.com>
	<50C83796-471C-43FF-8B1C-B383D153C3C4@Alphadene.co.uk>
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Folks - we ended this thread yesterday.

73,
Eric
/Modulator/
/elecraft.com/

On 5/3/2017 10:52 AM, David Ferrington, M0XDF wrote:
> I?m afraid I wont be joining that - I think the one group from Elecraft Reflector is sufficient.
>
> 73 de David, M0XDF (K3 #174, P3 #108)


From eric at elecraft.com  Wed May  3 15:12:56 2017
From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft)
Date: Wed, 3 May 2017 12:12:56 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Equipment chat group
In-Reply-To: <C306B6F7-2042-4D95-AC00-6B39B27B8E46@gmail.com>
References: <C306B6F7-2042-4D95-AC00-6B39B27B8E46@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4aa7bf58-630e-b308-2489-2e6590d90706@elecraft.com>

Note - this thread was closed yesterday.

The list is mirrored in web format,  both in date and threaded formats, on 
several platforms (Nabble, Mail-archive etc..) We list several on our web page at:
http://www.elecraft.com/elist.html

73,

Eric
/Moderator etc. /
/elecraft.com/

On 5/3/2017 10:39 AM, Brian ve3bwp Pietrzyk wrote:
> Mike you know I?d follow you anywhere/anytime but in this case I would rather not have to join yet another group. It would just add to the problem I?m already having with HAM group email overload. This group is actively moderated so I?m fine with filtering the daily digests.
>
> If anything I wish this group were mirrored on facebook as it would be even easier to follow the threads and use the thread filter options there. In the digests there is no convenient way to unsubscribe from a thread where as this is a basic Facebook feature.
>
> Brian ve3bwp
>
>


From rboutell at hotmail.com  Wed May  3 22:55:10 2017
From: rboutell at hotmail.com (rboutell)
Date: Wed, 3 May 2017 19:55:10 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] Should we expect something new in Dayton?
In-Reply-To: <CADH=N1syO0uFvHP7_Gc2YuLG5gbia5NJEnXDoKKGz+6zAdSSRg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <FBEEEB41-DAD0-404E-BD4C-7DBB13439AE9@yahoo.com>
	<CADH=N1syO0uFvHP7_Gc2YuLG5gbia5NJEnXDoKKGz+6zAdSSRg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1493866510190-7630293.post@n2.nabble.com>

Yeah, I'm content for now with my K3. But a K4 with a panadapter would
definitely pique my interest. I hope it can still be available as a kit and
reasonably priced :)



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From la3rk at arrl.net  Thu May  4 03:31:34 2017
From: la3rk at arrl.net (la3rk)
Date: Thu, 4 May 2017 00:31:34 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 with subrx - intermittent main RX problem and pwr out
Message-ID: <1493883094807-7630294.post@n2.nabble.com>

I have a K3 approx 8 years old. Fully equipped with subrx, 100W PA, antenna
tuner and in/out module.

When I connect the subrx, the main rx sometimes loses signal and at the same
time power out goes to zero.

Looking at the diagrams, I suspect there is an intermittent contact problem
in relay K1 shown on the SUBIN schematic. This relay is responsible for
sending antenna signals to the splitter when using the subrx and also
connects the splitter output back to the main rx. The same contacts on the
relay is also a path for the low level tx signal. An intermittent contact on
this relay and particularly contacts 3-4 could explain the behaviour I see.

Has anybody experience relay failures and if yes have they managed to change
out the relay?

Sending the K3 back to Elecraft is not a preferred option as shipping
charges to/from Norway will be fairly expensive.

Regards
LA3RK - Olaf Devik



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From z_kevino at hotmail.com  Thu May  4 07:30:26 2017
From: z_kevino at hotmail.com (kevino z)
Date: Thu, 4 May 2017 11:30:26 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Artifacts in headphones when monitoring my transmitted CW
Message-ID: <MWHPR15MB1166E06F9D645EC61C94BAE0FAEA0@MWHPR15MB1166.namprd15.prod.outlook.com>

I just got my Heil Pro 7 iC hooked up to my KX3. I made sure the Mic Bias was on, and set my monitor level to 5. Whenever I transmit CW (even with 0 W out), there is a strange artifact that happens as the Dit and Da's finish, kind of like they have a very short burst of a chirp or similar sound as they are finishing the transition from on to off.
Sorry, it's quite hard to describe. As I change the WPM to about 25 or so, the effect appears to go away, I am assuming because the time between the transmitted CW is reduced. However, it is quite noticeable and annoying around 15-20 wpm, where I am hoping to be at.

I tried it with a simple pair of earbuds and the artifact is there too, so I do not believe it to be related to the choice of headphones. 

Does anyone have any ideas or suggestions on what it may be?
And more of importantly, how to minimize / get rid of it?

Thank you 
-Kevin (KK4YEL) 

No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However, a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced !

From km4ik.ian at gmail.com  Thu May  4 08:11:44 2017
From: km4ik.ian at gmail.com (Ian Kahn)
Date: Thu, 4 May 2017 08:11:44 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] [OT] A Podcast Star is Born, or My 30 Seconds of Fame
Message-ID: <CAFHjwP5EAQRQLupXMZgdKzbwoKYhhOF+_u9RywVcu1Ksq8VP4A@mail.gmail.com>

All,

Good morning. I had the great pleasure, earlier this week, of being a guest
on the Everything Ham Radio podcast. I shared my knowledge (I am very
hesitant to use the work "expertise") on PSK31 with podcast host Curtis,
K5CLM. The podcast is now available, and I encourage everyone to give it a
listen at:

Http://www.everythinghamradio.com/podcast/67
<http://www.everythinghamradio.com/podcast/67>

As a sidebar, if you ever have the opportunity to be on a podcast, give it
a shot. I was worried that I wouldn't be able to fill 45 minutes to an hour
on PSK31, and was pleasantly surprised when Curtis told me we filled 90
minutes, and I probably could have kept going (big surprise, I know! :-)
). Recording the podcast was no different than having a phone conversation
with an old friend, talking about topics we both enjoy. I had a great time,
and hopefully made a new friend in Curtis Mohr, K5CLM, the podcast's host.

73 de,

--Ian
Ian Kahn, KM4IK
Roswell, GA  EM74ua
km4ik.ian at gmail.com
10-10 #74624  North Georgia Chapter #2038
PODXS 070 #1962
K3 #281, P3 #688 KAT500 #860, KPA500 #1468

From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Thu May  4 09:46:23 2017
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Thu, 4 May 2017 09:46:23 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 with subrx - intermittent main RX problem and pwr
 out
In-Reply-To: <1493883094807-7630294.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1493883094807-7630294.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <a6dc8722-6f6e-c37d-22e5-9a99f20fc8fa@embarqmail.com>

Olaf,

The relays used by Elecraft are quite reliable, so I suspect that is not 
a reasonable source of the problem.  In more than 12 years of repairing 
the Elecraft legacy gear (more than 1200 repairs), I have had to replace 
only a small handful of relays due to failure.  I have replaced several 
where the builder has distorted the case with a soldering iron.

I would double and triple check the SUBIN and SUBOUT connectors.  A 
connector failure is much more likely than a relay failure.

You might contact K3support to see if they have encountered a situation 
like yours before.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 5/4/2017 3:31 AM, la3rk wrote:
> I have a K3 approx 8 years old. Fully equipped with subrx, 100W PA, antenna
> tuner and in/out module.
> 
> When I connect the subrx, the main rx sometimes loses signal and at the same
> time power out goes to zero.
> 

From k2av.guy at gmail.com  Thu May  4 09:59:23 2017
From: k2av.guy at gmail.com (Guy Olinger K2AV)
Date: Thu, 4 May 2017 09:59:23 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 with subrx - intermittent main RX problem and pwr
	out
In-Reply-To: <a6dc8722-6f6e-c37d-22e5-9a99f20fc8fa@embarqmail.com>
References: <1493883094807-7630294.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<a6dc8722-6f6e-c37d-22e5-9a99f20fc8fa@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <CANckpc2Qjj8Xdq-maQ=+H9HYZGu14RaTY+eq89k8Tow14gY40Q@mail.gmail.com>

Must underscore what Don said. Busted BNC connector/coax wiring is so
very common. If they were hand-done with soldering iron and NOT RG400
coax (teflon, won't melt) or were not crimped with specific tool
required for the specific connector and specific coax, they are more
likely to go bad over time. This is because BNC connections get moved
and moved and moved....

The basic rule is never open up the Elecraft case until braine phartes
and *all* external connections are *ruled out*, and in extreme cases
the manual is read.  Save yourself tons of time in the long run.

73, Guy K2AV

On Thu, May 4, 2017 at 9:46 AM, Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com> wrote:
> Olaf,
>
> The relays used by Elecraft are quite reliable, so I suspect that is not a
> reasonable source of the problem.  In more than 12 years of repairing the
> Elecraft legacy gear (more than 1200 repairs), I have had to replace only a
> small handful of relays due to failure.  I have replaced several where the
> builder has distorted the case with a soldering iron.
>
> I would double and triple check the SUBIN and SUBOUT connectors.  A
> connector failure is much more likely than a relay failure.
>
> You might contact K3support to see if they have encountered a situation like
> yours before.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 5/4/2017 3:31 AM, la3rk wrote:
>>
>> I have a K3 approx 8 years old. Fully equipped with subrx, 100W PA,
>> antenna
>> tuner and in/out module.
>>
>> When I connect the subrx, the main rx sometimes loses signal and at the
>> same
>> time power out goes to zero.
>>
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From k2vco.vic at gmail.com  Thu May  4 10:07:53 2017
From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP)
Date: Thu, 4 May 2017 17:07:53 +0300
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 with subrx - intermittent main RX problem and pwr
 out
In-Reply-To: <a6dc8722-6f6e-c37d-22e5-9a99f20fc8fa@embarqmail.com>
References: <1493883094807-7630294.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<a6dc8722-6f6e-c37d-22e5-9a99f20fc8fa@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <23c3ab0f-2468-11ab-9ac8-c29658dc3831@gmail.com>

Well, I had a relay fail on my KAT3 board. I don't remember which one. 
Elecraft sent me a replacement. It wasn't hard to replace, but it happens.

73,
Victor, 4X6GP
Rehovot, Israel
Formerly K2VCO
http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/

On 4 May 2017 16:46, Don Wilhelm wrote:
> Olaf,
>
> The relays used by Elecraft are quite reliable, so I suspect that is not
> a reasonable source of the problem.  In more than 12 years of repairing
> the Elecraft legacy gear (more than 1200 repairs), I have had to replace
> only a small handful of relays due to failure.  I have replaced several
> where the builder has distorted the case with a soldering iron.
>
> I would double and triple check the SUBIN and SUBOUT connectors.  A
> connector failure is much more likely than a relay failure.
>
> You might contact K3support to see if they have encountered a situation
> like yours before.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 5/4/2017 3:31 AM, la3rk wrote:
>> I have a K3 approx 8 years old. Fully equipped with subrx, 100W PA,
>> antenna
>> tuner and in/out module.
>>
>> When I connect the subrx, the main rx sometimes loses signal and at
>> the same
>> time power out goes to zero.

From alsopb at comcast.net  Thu May  4 11:04:04 2017
From: alsopb at comcast.net (brian)
Date: Thu, 04 May 2017 15:04:04 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 with subrx - intermittent main RX problem and pwr
 out
In-Reply-To: <a6dc8722-6f6e-c37d-22e5-9a99f20fc8fa@embarqmail.com>
References: <1493883094807-7630294.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<a6dc8722-6f6e-c37d-22e5-9a99f20fc8fa@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <590B42E4.8020502@comcast.net>

Also make sure TMP connectors to and from synthesizer/KREF/Subrx boards 
are secure.

Brian/K3KO

On 5/4/2017 13:46 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
> Olaf,
>
> The relays used by Elecraft are quite reliable, so I suspect that is not
> a reasonable source of the problem.  In more than 12 years of repairing
> the Elecraft legacy gear (more than 1200 repairs), I have had to replace
> only a small handful of relays due to failure.  I have replaced several
> where the builder has distorted the case with a soldering iron.
>
> I would double and triple check the SUBIN and SUBOUT connectors.  A
> connector failure is much more likely than a relay failure.
>
> You might contact K3support to see if they have encountered a situation
> like yours before.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 5/4/2017 3:31 AM, la3rk wrote:
>> I have a K3 approx 8 years old. Fully equipped with subrx, 100W PA,
>> antenna
>> tuner and in/out module.
>>
>> When I connect the subrx, the main rx sometimes loses signal and at
>> the same
>> time power out goes to zero.
>>
> ______________________________________________________________
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From g4gnx at theatreorgans.co.uk  Thu May  4 12:12:22 2017
From: g4gnx at theatreorgans.co.uk (Alan. G4GNX)
Date: Thu, 4 May 2017 17:12:22 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 with subrx - intermittent main RX problem and pwr
	out
In-Reply-To: <23c3ab0f-2468-11ab-9ac8-c29658dc3831@gmail.com>
References: <1493883094807-7630294.post@n2.nabble.com><a6dc8722-6f6e-c37d-22e5-9a99f20fc8fa@embarqmail.com>
	<23c3ab0f-2468-11ab-9ac8-c29658dc3831@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <38577C2BD9384D4DB489E1052F06876A@G4GNXLaptop>

FWIW we thought that a relay was failing on our club's KAT500. I bought a 
new one from Elecraft and replaced it without thinking about it. They're 
quite cheap and it wasn't worth chancing an intermittent relay.
Whilst I was re-assembling the tuner, I discovered that the tag washer 
connecting Ant 1 to its screw terminal had developed a dry joint, which was 
the real cause of the intermittency. I don't know whether it was a 
manufacturing fault or someone had been heavy handed when assembling it.

It would be worth checking soldered joints and other connections before 
replacing a relay. You may need to use a magnifying glass as it may not show 
up on a meter test. Another thing to try is what we used to do as service 
technicians; use an aerosol freezer spray in small areas around the 
suspected area and possibly a hair dryer on a warm setting (not hot) and 
observe for changes under test.

73,

Alan. G4GNX

-----Original Message----- 
From: Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP
Sent: Thursday, May 4, 2017 3:07 PM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 with subrx - intermittent main RX problem and pwr 
out

Well, I had a relay fail on my KAT3 board. I don't remember which one.
Elecraft sent me a replacement. It wasn't hard to replace, but it happens.

73,
Victor, 4X6GP
Rehovot, Israel
Formerly K2VCO
http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/

On 4 May 2017 16:46, Don Wilhelm wrote:
> Olaf,
>
> The relays used by Elecraft are quite reliable, so I suspect that is not
> a reasonable source of the problem.  In more than 12 years of repairing
> the Elecraft legacy gear (more than 1200 repairs), I have had to replace
> only a small handful of relays due to failure.  I have replaced several
> where the builder has distorted the case with a soldering iron.
>
> I would double and triple check the SUBIN and SUBOUT connectors.  A
> connector failure is much more likely than a relay failure.
>
> You might contact K3support to see if they have encountered a situation
> like yours before.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 5/4/2017 3:31 AM, la3rk wrote:
>> I have a K3 approx 8 years old. Fully equipped with subrx, 100W PA,
>> antenna
>> tuner and in/out module.
>>
>> When I connect the subrx, the main rx sometimes loses signal and at
>> the same
>> time power out goes to zero. 


From mzilmer at roadrunner.com  Thu May  4 12:43:46 2017
From: mzilmer at roadrunner.com (Matt Zilmer)
Date: Thu, 4 May 2017 09:43:46 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 with subrx - intermittent main RX problem and pwr
 out
In-Reply-To: <38577C2BD9384D4DB489E1052F06876A@G4GNXLaptop>
References: <1493883094807-7630294.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<a6dc8722-6f6e-c37d-22e5-9a99f20fc8fa@embarqmail.com>
	<23c3ab0f-2468-11ab-9ac8-c29658dc3831@gmail.com>
	<38577C2BD9384D4DB489E1052F06876A@G4GNXLaptop>
Message-ID: <47829d14-a149-52ff-a75e-02c342440e54@roadrunner.com>

Sorry to be thick....  Is a dry joint same as a cold joint?

Thanks and 73,

matt W6NIA


On 5/4/2017 9:12 AM, Alan. G4GNX wrote:
> FWIW we thought that a relay was failing on our club's KAT500. I 
> bought a new one from Elecraft and replaced it without thinking about 
> it. They're quite cheap and it wasn't worth chancing an intermittent 
> relay.
> Whilst I was re-assembling the tuner, I discovered that the tag washer 
> connecting Ant 1 to its screw terminal had developed a dry joint, 
> which was the real cause of the intermittency. I don't know whether it 
> was a manufacturing fault or someone had been heavy handed when 
> assembling it.
>
> It would be worth checking soldered joints and other connections 
> before replacing a relay. You may need to use a magnifying glass as it 
> may not show up on a meter test. Another thing to try is what we used 
> to do as service technicians; use an aerosol freezer spray in small 
> areas around the suspected area and possibly a hair dryer on a warm 
> setting (not hot) and observe for changes under test.
>
> 73,
>
> Alan. G4GNX
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP
> Sent: Thursday, May 4, 2017 3:07 PM
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 with subrx - intermittent main RX problem 
> and pwr out
>
> Well, I had a relay fail on my KAT3 board. I don't remember which one.
> Elecraft sent me a replacement. It wasn't hard to replace, but it 
> happens.
>
> 73,
> Victor, 4X6GP
> Rehovot, Israel
> Formerly K2VCO
> http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/
>
> On 4 May 2017 16:46, Don Wilhelm wrote:
>> Olaf,
>>
>> The relays used by Elecraft are quite reliable, so I suspect that is not
>> a reasonable source of the problem.  In more than 12 years of repairing
>> the Elecraft legacy gear (more than 1200 repairs), I have had to replace
>> only a small handful of relays due to failure.  I have replaced several
>> where the builder has distorted the case with a soldering iron.
>>
>> I would double and triple check the SUBIN and SUBOUT connectors.  A
>> connector failure is much more likely than a relay failure.
>>
>> You might contact K3support to see if they have encountered a situation
>> like yours before.
>>
>> 73,
>> Don W3FPR
>>
>> On 5/4/2017 3:31 AM, la3rk wrote:
>>> I have a K3 approx 8 years old. Fully equipped with subrx, 100W PA,
>>> antenna
>>> tuner and in/out module.
>>>
>>> When I connect the subrx, the main rx sometimes loses signal and at
>>> the same
>>> time power out goes to zero. 
>
> ______________________________________________________________
> Elecraft mailing list
> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
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-- 
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Matt Zilmer, W6NIA
[Shiraz]


From ron at cobi.biz  Thu May  4 13:05:33 2017
From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire)
Date: Thu, 4 May 2017 10:05:33 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 with subrx - intermittent main RX problem and pwr
	out
In-Reply-To: <1493883094807-7630294.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1493883094807-7630294.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <000301d2c4f8$a4ecedd0$eec6c970$@biz>

An intermittent or open circuit problem that has occurred on occasion is
caused by misaligning TMP male and pressing it too hard into the socket.
What can happen is that the male pin hits the metal edge of the female
socket inside the connector and actually pushes the metal socket out of its
housing. The result is that the female socket edge is just resting against
the male pin rather than having the male pin inside the socket even though
the connector appears properly mated. This results in an intermittent
contact. 

The solution is to visually inspect the various TMP connectors on the KRX3
board as well as those on the KREF3 and Aux KSYN3 board. Looking into the
socket you should see the metal receptacle inside the white plastic
(Teflon?). IF all you can see is plastic, you may have pushed the metal
socket back out of the connector. 

You can get access to the back of the connector and push the metal
receptacle back in place but it will likely tend to bend again more easily
now that it has been pushed out of place once. Be especially careful of it
when plugging in the TMP cable.

73, Ron AC7AC 

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of la3rk
Sent: Thursday, May 4, 2017 12:32 AM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 with subrx - intermittent main RX problem and pwr out

I have a K3 approx 8 years old. Fully equipped with subrx, 100W PA, antenna
tuner and in/out module.

When I connect the subrx, the main rx sometimes loses signal and at the same
time power out goes to zero.

Looking at the diagrams, I suspect there is an intermittent contact problem
in relay K1 shown on the SUBIN schematic. This relay is responsible for
sending antenna signals to the splitter when using the subrx and also
connects the splitter output back to the main rx. The same contacts on the
relay is also a path for the low level tx signal. An intermittent contact on
this relay and particularly contacts 3-4 could explain the behaviour I see.

Has anybody experience relay failures and if yes have they managed to change
out the relay?

Sending the K3 back to Elecraft is not a preferred option as shipping
charges to/from Norway will be fairly expensive.

Regards
LA3RK - Olaf Devik



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From ghyoungman at gmail.com  Thu May  4 13:27:18 2017
From: ghyoungman at gmail.com (GRANT YOUNGMAN)
Date: Thu, 4 May 2017 13:27:18 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 with subrx - intermittent main RX problem and pwr
 out
In-Reply-To: <000301d2c4f8$a4ecedd0$eec6c970$@biz>
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I had this happen with the 2M module, too.  What I do now with these is try to support the little teflon insulator in the socket from the rear with a small flat-blade screwdriver ? at least the ones I get to that way.

Took a while to figure out what the problem was, since everything looks ?normal" from the outside ?


> On May 4, 2017, at 1:05 PM, Ron D'Eau Claire <ron at cobi.biz> wrote:
> 
> An intermittent or open circuit problem that has occurred on occasion is
> caused by misaligning TMP male and pressing it too hard into the socket.
> ...
> 
> The solution is to visually inspect the various TMP connectors on the KRX3
> board as well as those on the KREF3 and Aux KSYN3 board. Looking into the
> socket you should see the metal receptacle inside the white plastic
> (Teflon?). IF all you can see is plastic, you may have pushed the metal
> socket back out of the connector. 
> 
> 

Grant NQ5T
K3 #2091, KX3 #8342




From k6dgw at foothill.net  Thu May  4 13:28:56 2017
From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen)
Date: Thu, 4 May 2017 10:28:56 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 with subrx - intermittent main RX problem and pwr
 out
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"Two countries separated by a common language."  I believe "tag washer" 
is a "solder lug" on our side of the Atlantic.  I think Alan might mean 
the screw connection on that lug becoming intermittent due to oxidation 
and/or inadequate tightening.  Generally speaking, cold solder joints 
are "cold" immediately after the soldering process and don't develop 
later, although I've seen that happen due to very minor extended 
vibration of the joint.

73,

Fred ("Skip") K6DGW
Sparks NV USA
Washoe County DM09dn

On 5/4/2017 9:43 AM, Matt Zilmer wrote:
> Sorry to be thick....  Is a dry joint same as a cold joint?
>
> Thanks and 73,
>
> matt W6NIA
>
>
> On 5/4/2017 9:12 AM, Alan. G4GNX wrote:
>> FWIW we thought that a relay was failing on our club's KAT500. I 
>> bought a new one from Elecraft and replaced it without thinking about 
>> it. They're quite cheap and it wasn't worth chancing an intermittent 
>> relay.
>> Whilst I was re-assembling the tuner, I discovered that the tag 
>> washer connecting Ant 1 to its screw terminal had developed a dry 
>> joint, which was the real cause of the intermittency. I don't know 
>> whether it was a manufacturing fault or someone had been heavy handed 
>> when assembling it.
>>
>> It would be worth checking soldered joints and other connections 
>> before replacing a relay. You may need to use a magnifying glass as 
>> it may not show up on a meter test. Another thing to try is what we 
>> used to do as service technicians; use an aerosol freezer spray in 
>> small areas around the suspected area and possibly a hair dryer on a 
>> warm setting (not hot) and observe for changes under test.
>>
>> 73,
>>
>> Alan. G4GNX


From g4gnx at theatreorgans.co.uk  Thu May  4 13:32:15 2017
From: g4gnx at theatreorgans.co.uk (Alan. G4GNX)
Date: Thu, 4 May 2017 18:32:15 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 with subrx - intermittent main RX problem and pwr
	out
In-Reply-To: <47829d14-a149-52ff-a75e-02c342440e54@roadrunner.com>
References: <1493883094807-7630294.post@n2.nabble.com><a6dc8722-6f6e-c37d-22e5-9a99f20fc8fa@embarqmail.com><23c3ab0f-2468-11ab-9ac8-c29658dc3831@gmail.com><38577C2BD9384D4DB489E1052F06876A@G4GNXLaptop>
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Matt.

You are not at all thick. We all have to learn somewhere. The only time you 
could be considered thick is if you never asked the question. :-)

The wiki/dictionary description of dry and cold joints describes slightly 
different observable effects but to all intents and purposes a dry or cold 
solder joint will produce the same result. Both usually result in a breakage 
of the bond between the two components that are soldered. The simple 
solution is to re-solder the joint using sufficient heat to melt the old 
solder. You can either remove the old solder and apply new solder, or you 
can add a little flux when you heat the joint. I would prefer to remove the 
old solder and replace it with new flux cored solder. If you haven't done 
much of this type of work, probably the easiest way to remove old solder is 
with some "solder wick" which you can purchase for pennies on eBay. Place 
the wick braid on the solder to be removed and apply a hot soldering iron. 
The wick will soak up the solder and if it doesn't remove it all first time, 
re-apply the wick a 2nd or 3rd time.

One thing you ABSOLUTELY MUST do before you start ANY work inside your rig, 
is to observe ANTI-STATIC precautions. Use a wrist strap specially made for 
the job and preferably use an anti-static mat. DO NOT EVER connect yourself 
directly to any anti-static ground source - you could DIE!

73,

Alan. G4GNX

-----Original Message----- 
From: Matt Zilmer
Sent: Thursday, May 4, 2017 5:43 PM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 with subrx - intermittent main RX problem and pwr 
out

Sorry to be thick....  Is a dry joint same as a cold joint?

Thanks and 73,

matt W6NIA 


From g4gnx at theatreorgans.co.uk  Thu May  4 14:09:19 2017
From: g4gnx at theatreorgans.co.uk (Alan Baker)
Date: Thu, 4 May 2017 19:09:19 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 with subrx - intermittent main RX problem and pwr
 out
In-Reply-To: <85abec3d-7d1e-3b86-5e20-da06353883f5@foothill.net>
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	<a6dc8722-6f6e-c37d-22e5-9a99f20fc8fa@embarqmail.com>
	<23c3ab0f-2468-11ab-9ac8-c29658dc3831@gmail.com>
	<38577C2BD9384D4DB489E1052F06876A@G4GNXLaptop>
	<47829d14-a149-52ff-a75e-02c342440e54@roadrunner.com>
	<85abec3d-7d1e-3b86-5e20-da06353883f5@foothill.net>
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Solder lug/solder tag/tag washer all the same thing. :-)

Perhaps instead of dry joint I should have said "broken joint". The bond 
between the solder lug and the connecting wire had become broken, 
resulting in the effect of a dry joint. This could have been caused by 
someone being over enthusiastic with a screwdriver, resulting in the lug 
being put under great strain by the securing screw being turned and 
breaking the solder joint by force rather than by movement whilst the 
solder was cooling at manufacture.

73,

Alan. G4GNX

On 04/05/2017 18:28, Fred Jensen wrote:
> "Two countries separated by a common language."  I believe "tag 
> washer" is a "solder lug" on our side of the Atlantic.  I think Alan 
> might mean the screw connection on that lug becoming intermittent due 
> to oxidation and/or inadequate tightening.  Generally speaking, cold 
> solder joints are "cold" immediately after the soldering process and 
> don't develop later, although I've seen that happen due to very minor 
> extended vibration of the joint.
>
> 73,
>
> Fred ("Skip") K6DGW
> Sparks NV USA
> Washoe County DM09dn


From kb8ke at yahoo.com  Thu May  4 15:37:33 2017
From: kb8ke at yahoo.com (Ken Allen)
Date: Thu, 4 May 2017 15:37:33 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] For Sale, unbuilt K2 with many options
In-Reply-To: <00c801d2beb8$ed658900$c8309b00$@com>
References: <00c801d2beb8$ed658900$c8309b00$@com>
Message-ID: <033701d2c50d$e13a5970$a3af0c50$@com>

Thanks to all who offered comments or offered to buy the kits.  The kits
have been sold.

Ken KB8KE

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Ken
Allen via Elecraft
Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2017 2:14 PM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] For Sale, unbuilt K2 with many options

I'm embarrassed to admit that I purchased my K2 kit, #5534, at Hamvention in
2006 and it is still not completed.  I worked on it right after the purchase
and then life got in the way when I was about to do the first power on
testing at the end of Part 1 assembly.   I built most of the added modules
first thinking I would start with the smaller, less complex boards.  After I
retired two years later, I picked up the kit again only to realize tremors
in my hands would not allow me to do the soldering any longer.  At this
point I have the following for sale:
 
Basic K2 - built to Part 1 of the assembly manual pg 42 but not tested
KSB2 - built - untested
K60XV - built - untested
KNB2 - built - untested
K160RX - built - untested
KIO2 - built - untested
KDSP2 - un-built still in box
KAT100-2 - un-built still in box
 
I also have the Rework Eliminators with appropriate changes made to the K2
assembly to this point.
 
EC2 - assembled - intended to have the KAT100 and KPA100 in the EC2. The
KPA100 kit is not included.
 
Also have the KRC2 - assembled and  used with my K3.
 
I have over $2000 invested. For all the above including shopping within the
continental US, I am asking $1000, but will consider reasonable offers.
 
Contact Ken Allen at kb8ke at yahoo.com with any questions or offers. I can
supply photos of the assembled item on request.

 

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From ne2i at yahoo.com  Thu May  4 17:42:16 2017
From: ne2i at yahoo.com (George Cortez)
Date: Thu, 4 May 2017 21:42:16 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] XV 432 For sale
References: <140763436.3284987.1493934136407.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <140763436.3284987.1493934136407@mail.yahoo.com>

Hello Folks, I found my inoperative 432 and figured I'd pass it on to someone who might be able to fix it up and use it.I never got it to work from the start so it has no time on the finals. Asking 265 plus the shipping?paypal.
George NE2I
845 489 8563?




From ne2i at yahoo.com  Thu May  4 17:56:01 2017
From: ne2i at yahoo.com (George Cortez)
Date: Thu, 4 May 2017 21:56:01 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] XV 432 For sale
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      Sold to Dave AD6A in record time!
Thanks Dave!
George NE2I




From: Dave AD6A <dave at ad6a.com>
 To: George Cortez <ne2i at yahoo.com> 
 Sent: Thursday, May 4, 2017 4:46 PM
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] XV 432 For sale
   
I'll buy it from you George!

Dave
AD6A

Sent from my ? iPhone 7 Plus

On May 4, 2017, at 2:42 PM, George Cortez via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:

Hello Folks, I found my inoperative 432 and figured I'd pass it on to someone who might be able to fix it up and use it.I never got it to work from the start so it has no time on the finals. Asking 265 plus the shipping paypal.
George NE2I
845 489 8563



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From W1ie at jetbroadband.com  Thu May  4 18:38:09 2017
From: W1ie at jetbroadband.com (Jerry)
Date: Thu, 4 May 2017 22:38:09 -0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Can I overcharge the batteries in my KX3
Message-ID: <002d01d2c527$1b3c2a90$51b47fb0$@com>

Hello,

 

I am about to take a month long trip to California and then back to Virginia
starting this Sunday. I am taking my KX3 along with some accessories so I
would like to know - is it possible to overcharge the NiCads or Enloops. I
have a system set up on my motorcycle that will provide 13.8vdc at 3 amps
clamped.  for charging some 12 v sealed lead batteries and I am wondering if
I use this output voltage and set the timer to 8 hours on the KX3 charging
system, can I overcharge the batteries and ruin them or worse the internals
of the KX3?

 

Thank you.

 

Best regards,

 

Jerry, W1IE


From mzilmer at roadrunner.com  Thu May  4 19:06:38 2017
From: mzilmer at roadrunner.com (Matt Zilmer)
Date: Thu, 4 May 2017 16:06:38 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Can I overcharge the batteries in my KX3
In-Reply-To: <002d01d2c527$1b3c2a90$51b47fb0$@com>
References: <002d01d2c527$1b3c2a90$51b47fb0$@com>
Message-ID: <3b67ba2e-01e2-f01e-5dd8-4cbf416764d0@roadrunner.com>

The KX3's internal charger is intended to charge _NiMH_ batteries.  Its 
output is a constant 200 mA.  At that current level, you are unlikely to 
overcharge the AA cells, and all that will happen is that they'll stay 
warm.

Theway I handle mobile ops with batteries is to run the charger in 4 
hour durations, and periodically check the BT voltage on the DISPlay. 
For NiMH, if the voltage is 10.8V or higher, I just disable the 
charger.  10.8V is very close to 100%. Others recommend charging up to 
11.1V, which is 100% for most formulations (e.g., Tenergy).  Not sure 
what Sanyo recommends for Eneloops.  You might wan to read up on that.

Specifically for Eneloops - they hold their charge quite well, so there 
is little need to top them off as youmotor alongunless you'redrawing 
current from them all the time.  If the 13.8V input is connected, it is 
diode steered with the battery output and any current you draw will be 
from the external power connection. In this arrangement, the highest 
voltage wins.

73,

matt W6NIA


On 5/4/2017 3:38 PM, Jerry wrote:
> Hello,
>
>   
>
> I am about to take a month long trip to California and then back to Virginia
> starting this Sunday. I am taking my KX3 along with some accessories so I
> would like to know - is it possible to overcharge the NiCads or Enloops. I
> have a system set up on my motorcycle that will provide 13.8vdc at 3 amps
> clamped.  for charging some 12 v sealed lead batteries and I am wondering if
> I use this output voltage and set the timer to 8 hours on the KX3 charging
> system, can I overcharge the batteries and ruin them or worse the internals
> of the KX3?
>
>   
>
> Thank you.
>
>   
>
> Best regards,
>
>   
>
> Jerry, W1IE
>
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From rv6amark at yahoo.com  Thu May  4 19:31:05 2017
From: rv6amark at yahoo.com (Mark Petiford)
Date: Thu, 4 May 2017 23:31:05 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] Can I overcharge the batteries in my KX3
In-Reply-To: <002d01d2c527$1b3c2a90$51b47fb0$@com>
References: <002d01d2c527$1b3c2a90$51b47fb0$@com>
Message-ID: <460978529.2650955.1493940665218@mail.yahoo.com>

First of all, forget the Nicads.? The KX3 isn't really designed for Nicads, and they have a lot of problems such as excessive self discharge, and leakage.? If you want rechargeable cells, use modern low self discharge (LSD) nickle-metal hydride (NiMH) cells.? Eneloops are one example, and probably the most popular.? The KX3 manual discusses the use of them in the Internal Batteries section.? Usually LSD NiMH cells are sold in a charged condition.? Once installed, they can sit in your radio for long periods losing very little of their charge.? I have never seen a modern NiMH cell leak, unless they are discharged to less than 1.0 volts per cell.? The KX3 prevents this with its adjustable battery warning and automatic shutdown.


Assuming you are using LSD NiMh cells of at least 2000mah in size.? The KXBC3 charger is a 200ma - 250 ma (approx.) constant current charger which is about 0.1 times the capacity of the cells.? That is a perfect constant current charge for 2000mah cells or larger.? Cell manufacturers' guidelines for these cells state that is isn't likely that you will overcharge using this method but they suggest you not leave the charge on constantly like you would when using a trickle charger.? (A trickle charge rate would be about 1/4th of the KXBC3 charge rate, if my memory is correct).? Since the KXBC3 also monitors cell temperature, it complies with the manufacturers' recommendations.? It will only charge while the cell temperature is within limits, and will suspend charging until the temperature returns to normal.

In reality, MiMH cells work best when charged somewhat longer than necessary.? That allows the lowest charged cells to be brought up to a fully charged condition.? They are self-leveling.


Mark
KE6BB?  

    On Thursday, May 4, 2017 3:40 PM, Jerry <W1ie at jetbroadband.com> wrote:
 

 Hello,

 

I am about to take a month long trip to California and then back to Virginia
starting this Sunday. I am taking my KX3 along with some accessories so I
would like to know - is it possible to overcharge the NiCads or Enloops. I
have a system set up on my motorcycle that will provide 13.8vdc at 3 amps
clamped.? for charging some 12 v sealed lead batteries and I am wondering if
I use this output voltage and set the timer to 8 hours on the KX3 charging
system, can I overcharge the batteries and ruin them or worse the internals
of the KX3?

 

Thank you.

 

Best regards,

 

Jerry, W1IE

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From k9yeq at live.com  Thu May  4 22:11:31 2017
From: k9yeq at live.com (Bill Johnson)
Date: Fri, 5 May 2017 02:11:31 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 with subrx - intermittent main RX problem and pwr
 out
In-Reply-To: <47829d14-a149-52ff-a75e-02c342440e54@roadrunner.com>
References: <1493883094807-7630294.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<a6dc8722-6f6e-c37d-22e5-9a99f20fc8fa@embarqmail.com>
	<23c3ab0f-2468-11ab-9ac8-c29658dc3831@gmail.com>
	<38577C2BD9384D4DB489E1052F06876A@G4GNXLaptop>
	<47829d14-a149-52ff-a75e-02c342440e54@roadrunner.com>
Message-ID: <RO1P152MB0907BFEE971E1BA1949949A19CEB0@RO1P152MB0907.LAMP152.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

Matt, a difference in the language.  I would take them to be the same.

73,
Bill
K9YEQ

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Matt Zilmer
Sent: Thursday, May 4, 2017 11:44 AM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 with subrx - intermittent main RX problem and pwr out

Sorry to be thick....  Is a dry joint same as a cold joint?

Thanks and 73,

matt W6NIA


On 5/4/2017 9:12 AM, Alan. G4GNX wrote:
> FWIW we thought that a relay was failing on our club's KAT500. I 
> bought a new one from Elecraft and replaced it without thinking about 
> it. They're quite cheap and it wasn't worth chancing an intermittent 
> relay.
> Whilst I was re-assembling the tuner, I discovered that the tag washer 
> connecting Ant 1 to its screw terminal had developed a dry joint, 
> which was the real cause of the intermittency. I don't know whether it 
> was a manufacturing fault or someone had been heavy handed when 
> assembling it.
>
> It would be worth checking soldered joints and other connections 
> before replacing a relay. You may need to use a magnifying glass as it 
> may not show up on a meter test. Another thing to try is what we used 
> to do as service technicians; use an aerosol freezer spray in small 
> areas around the suspected area and possibly a hair dryer on a warm 
> setting (not hot) and observe for changes under test.
>
> 73,
>
> Alan. G4GNX
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP
> Sent: Thursday, May 4, 2017 3:07 PM
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 with subrx - intermittent main RX problem 
> and pwr out
>
> Well, I had a relay fail on my KAT3 board. I don't remember which one.
> Elecraft sent me a replacement. It wasn't hard to replace, but it 
> happens.
>
> 73,
> Victor, 4X6GP
> Rehovot, Israel
> Formerly K2VCO
> http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/
>
> On 4 May 2017 16:46, Don Wilhelm wrote:
>> Olaf,
>>
>> The relays used by Elecraft are quite reliable, so I suspect that is 
>> not a reasonable source of the problem.  In more than 12 years of 
>> repairing the Elecraft legacy gear (more than 1200 repairs), I have 
>> had to replace only a small handful of relays due to failure.  I have 
>> replaced several where the builder has distorted the case with a soldering iron.
>>
>> I would double and triple check the SUBIN and SUBOUT connectors.  A 
>> connector failure is much more likely than a relay failure.
>>
>> You might contact K3support to see if they have encountered a 
>> situation like yours before.
>>
>> 73,
>> Don W3FPR
>>
>> On 5/4/2017 3:31 AM, la3rk wrote:
>>> I have a K3 approx 8 years old. Fully equipped with subrx, 100W PA, 
>>> antenna tuner and in/out module.
>>>
>>> When I connect the subrx, the main rx sometimes loses signal and at 
>>> the same time power out goes to zero.
>
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From k9yeq at live.com  Thu May  4 22:16:09 2017
From: k9yeq at live.com (Bill Johnson)
Date: Fri, 5 May 2017 02:16:09 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Can I overcharge the batteries in my KX3
In-Reply-To: <3b67ba2e-01e2-f01e-5dd8-4cbf416764d0@roadrunner.com>
References: <002d01d2c527$1b3c2a90$51b47fb0$@com>
	<3b67ba2e-01e2-f01e-5dd8-4cbf416764d0@roadrunner.com>
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Matt, thank you for the refresher.  I had forgotten the info you espoused even though I was an FT back in the KX3 earliest days!

72 & 73,
Bill
K9YEQ, FT'er for K2, KX1, KX3, KXPA100,  KAT500, W2, etc. 

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Matt Zilmer
Sent: Thursday, May 4, 2017 6:07 PM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Can I overcharge the batteries in my KX3

The KX3's internal charger is intended to charge _NiMH_ batteries.  Its output is a constant 200 mA.  At that current level, you are unlikely to overcharge the AA cells, and all that will happen is that they'll stay warm.

Theway I handle mobile ops with batteries is to run the charger in 4 hour durations, and periodically check the BT voltage on the DISPlay. 
For NiMH, if the voltage is 10.8V or higher, I just disable the charger.  10.8V is very close to 100%. Others recommend charging up to 11.1V, which is 100% for most formulations (e.g., Tenergy).  Not sure what Sanyo recommends for Eneloops.  You might wan to read up on that.

Specifically for Eneloops - they hold their charge quite well, so there is little need to top them off as youmotor alongunless you'redrawing current from them all the time.  If the 13.8V input is connected, it is diode steered with the battery output and any current you draw will be from the external power connection. In this arrangement, the highest voltage wins.

73,

matt W6NIA


On 5/4/2017 3:38 PM, Jerry wrote:
> Hello,
>
>   
>
> I am about to take a month long trip to California and then back to 
> Virginia starting this Sunday. I am taking my KX3 along with some 
> accessories so I would like to know - is it possible to overcharge the 
> NiCads or Enloops. I have a system set up on my motorcycle that will 
> provide 13.8vdc at 3 amps clamped.  for charging some 12 v sealed lead 
> batteries and I am wondering if I use this output voltage and set the 
> timer to 8 hours on the KX3 charging system, can I overcharge the 
> batteries and ruin them or worse the internals of the KX3?
>
>   
>
> Thank you.
>
>   
>
> Best regards,
>
>   
>
> Jerry, W1IE
>
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From hlyingst at yahoo.com  Thu May  4 23:01:05 2017
From: hlyingst at yahoo.com (Harry Yingst)
Date: Thu, 04 May 2017 23:01:05 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Remoting the KPA500 & KAT500?
Message-ID: <0b4jox4j1b3hubldv4lma9ni.1493953265277@email.android.com>

More and more I'm considering remoting my KPA500 out of the shack,mostly becuse of the heat and secondly because of the fan noise.
In doing so it would proably make sense to move the KAT500 along with it.
Then it would be a matter of routing ?one coax from the K3 to th amp, and a USB cable?with a hub for the two usb to serial adapters for the amp and tuner to plug into.
I already use the control programs to oprrate the amp andtjner and rarely touch them.

I figured I'd ask first, since I'm pretty sure others have done this and could let me know if there is anything I should watch out for.

Thank you?


From mzilmer at roadrunner.com  Fri May  5 00:34:15 2017
From: mzilmer at roadrunner.com (Matt Zilmer)
Date: Thu, 4 May 2017 21:34:15 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 with subrx - intermittent main RX problem and pwr
 out
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References: <1493883094807-7630294.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<a6dc8722-6f6e-c37d-22e5-9a99f20fc8fa@embarqmail.com>
	<23c3ab0f-2468-11ab-9ac8-c29658dc3831@gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <c60b1a07-9d81-ba19-1788-480a7cc57efa@roadrunner.com>

That's what seemed like a normal language difference to me too.  Thanks, 
Bill.

73,

matt W6NIA


On 5/4/2017 7:11 PM, Bill Johnson wrote:
> Matt, a difference in the language.  I would take them to be the same.
>
> 73,
> Bill
> K9YEQ
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Matt Zilmer
> Sent: Thursday, May 4, 2017 11:44 AM
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 with subrx - intermittent main RX problem and pwr out
>
> Sorry to be thick....  Is a dry joint same as a cold joint?
>
> Thanks and 73,
>
> matt W6NIA
>
>
> On 5/4/2017 9:12 AM, Alan. G4GNX wrote:
>> FWIW we thought that a relay was failing on our club's KAT500. I
>> bought a new one from Elecraft and replaced it without thinking about
>> it. They're quite cheap and it wasn't worth chancing an intermittent
>> relay.
>> Whilst I was re-assembling the tuner, I discovered that the tag washer
>> connecting Ant 1 to its screw terminal had developed a dry joint,
>> which was the real cause of the intermittency. I don't know whether it
>> was a manufacturing fault or someone had been heavy handed when
>> assembling it.
>>
>> It would be worth checking soldered joints and other connections
>> before replacing a relay. You may need to use a magnifying glass as it
>> may not show up on a meter test. Another thing to try is what we used
>> to do as service technicians; use an aerosol freezer spray in small
>> areas around the suspected area and possibly a hair dryer on a warm
>> setting (not hot) and observe for changes under test.
>>
>> 73,
>>
>> Alan. G4GNX
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP
>> Sent: Thursday, May 4, 2017 3:07 PM
>> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 with subrx - intermittent main RX problem
>> and pwr out
>>
>> Well, I had a relay fail on my KAT3 board. I don't remember which one.
>> Elecraft sent me a replacement. It wasn't hard to replace, but it
>> happens.
>>
>> 73,
>> Victor, 4X6GP
>> Rehovot, Israel
>> Formerly K2VCO
>> http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/
>>
>> On 4 May 2017 16:46, Don Wilhelm wrote:
>>> Olaf,
>>>
>>> The relays used by Elecraft are quite reliable, so I suspect that is
>>> not a reasonable source of the problem.  In more than 12 years of
>>> repairing the Elecraft legacy gear (more than 1200 repairs), I have
>>> had to replace only a small handful of relays due to failure.  I have
>>> replaced several where the builder has distorted the case with a soldering iron.
>>>
>>> I would double and triple check the SUBIN and SUBOUT connectors.  A
>>> connector failure is much more likely than a relay failure.
>>>
>>> You might contact K3support to see if they have encountered a
>>> situation like yours before.
>>>
>>> 73,
>>> Don W3FPR
>>>
>>> On 5/4/2017 3:31 AM, la3rk wrote:
>>>> I have a K3 approx 8 years old. Fully equipped with subrx, 100W PA,
>>>> antenna tuner and in/out module.
>>>>
>>>> When I connect the subrx, the main rx sometimes loses signal and at
>>>> the same time power out goes to zero.
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From k6mr at outlook.com  Fri May  5 01:47:34 2017
From: k6mr at outlook.com (Ken K6MR)
Date: Fri, 5 May 2017 05:47:34 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Remoting the KPA500 & KAT500?
In-Reply-To: <0b4jox4j1b3hubldv4lma9ni.1493953265277@email.android.com>
References: <0b4jox4j1b3hubldv4lma9ni.1493953265277@email.android.com>
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One thing to watch is the length of the USB cable. Over about 15 feet or so (I believe the spec is 5 meters) you?ll need an active repeater cable or some alternate connection method. I use an Ethernet to serial port server with a fiber link between the desk and the closet. Two KPAs and two KATs.

Ken K6MR

From: Harry Yingst via Elecraft<mailto:elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Thursday, May 4, 2017 8:02 PM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net<mailto:elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: [Elecraft] Remoting the KPA500 & KAT500?

More and more I'm considering remoting my KPA500 out of the shack,mostly becuse of the heat and secondly because of the fan noise.
In doing so it would proably make sense to move the KAT500 along with it.
Then it would be a matter of routing  one coax from the K3 to th amp, and a USB cable with a hub for the two usb to serial adapters for the amp and tuner to plug into.
I already use the control programs to oprrate the amp andtjner and rarely touch them.

I figured I'd ask first, since I'm pretty sure others have done this and could let me know if there is anything I should watch out for.

Thank you

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From la3rk at arrl.net  Fri May  5 02:49:41 2017
From: la3rk at arrl.net (la3rk)
Date: Thu, 4 May 2017 23:49:41 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 with subrx - intermittent main RX problem and pwr
	out
In-Reply-To: <1493883094807-7630294.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1493883094807-7630294.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <1493966981366-7630318.post@n2.nabble.com>

Thanks to all who responded. Checked and realigned all connectors, no
apparent errors, all male pins in place, connectors firmly seated.

Removed KRX3 and SUBIN/OUT module, reinstalled and reconnected. Similar
advice received both from group and from Elecraft support.

Still same problem, main rx uses signal. According to info from German ham,
he has had same problem and it was traced to faulty pin diode on SUBIN/OUT
module.

It is kind of amusing how a technical subject like this turns into
differences in languages use between USA and England. It would be nice if
posters keep to original subject and not stray off in a completely different
direction. Of 22 postings just 3 or 4 of them was on the original subject
and problem.

I am fairly certain that the problem is located within the SUBIN/OUT module,
but will check with Elecraft support. The easiest will be to change the
whole module, it is just a relay, some diodes and two small RF transformers.

73 de Olaf - LA3RK



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From btippett at alum.mit.edu  Fri May  5 06:47:06 2017
From: btippett at alum.mit.edu (Bill W4ZV)
Date: Fri, 5 May 2017 03:47:06 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Main Encoder
Message-ID: <1493981226568-7630319.post@n2.nabble.com>

I recently bought a relatively new K3 (#8641).  In the process of adjusting
the Main VFO drag, I noticed the shaft has some minor (few mm?) slippage
(perpendicular to the front panel).  Is this normal on recent K3 units or is
it a defective encoder?  

Or is it a design "feature" to adjust the drag with the knob in and then
pull it out if I want it to spin fast freely.  (GRIN)

73,  Bill  W4ZV



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From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Fri May  5 07:19:35 2017
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Fri, 5 May 2017 07:19:35 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Main Encoder
In-Reply-To: <1493981226568-7630319.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1493981226568-7630319.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <58a928cc-0022-1a4c-5d95-5e5d376b1134@embarqmail.com>

Bill,

That sounds like what can happen if the nut(s) on the encoder shaft 
bearing are not tight.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 5/5/2017 6:47 AM, Bill W4ZV wrote:
> I recently bought a relatively new K3 (#8641).  In the process of adjusting
> the Main VFO drag, I noticed the shaft has some minor (few mm?) slippage
> (perpendicular to the front panel).  Is this normal on recent K3 units or is
> it a defective encoder?

From idarack at gmail.com  Fri May  5 07:26:20 2017
From: idarack at gmail.com (Irwin Darack)
Date: Fri, 05 May 2017 11:26:20 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] K3/K3s Macro Book
Message-ID: <CAGC7P24CWei3WwOCz9iRn5tWFTr6wUH2aAkf-eDyL26c=jFUPQ@mail.gmail.com>

Will copies of the K3/K3s Macro Book be available for sale at Dayton ?

Irwin KD3TB
-- 
Irwin KD3TB

From va3mw at portcredit.net  Fri May  5 08:06:50 2017
From: va3mw at portcredit.net (Michael Walker)
Date: Fri, 5 May 2017 08:06:50 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Remoting the KPA500 & KAT500?
In-Reply-To: <BN6PR13MB1252108421474FF1954541919EEB0@BN6PR13MB1252.namprd13.prod.outlook.com>
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Hi Harry

You have 2 ways to do this and extending USB is not the best choice if it
would work at all.

Depending on how far the run is, it might be able to do it via RS232 (from
your USB connector) direct into back of devices.  While the spec for RS232
is about 20ft or less, I currently run RS232 over 120' at 9600 baud.  That
is fast enough for these devices.  You don't need to go to 38,400 baud as
that will limit your cable length.

This is what I do on my remote base for my Steppir and Rotator control and
the tower is 120ft away from the computers.  I don't use any tuners, as
that is one less thing to worry about.  None of my equipment is heated and
I have seen it work down to -30C without issue.

Your other option is to run a LAN cable and use RS232 over IP adapters such
as
https://www.amazon.com/USR-TCP232-306-Serial-Ethernet-Converter-RS232/dp/B01MXWACF3/ref=sr_1_8?ie=UTF8&qid=1493985728&sr=8-8&keywords=rs232+lan.
The guys are RS485.com have some cool stuff as well.  www.rs485.com

You run some software in your computer that will run the Elecraft
software.  From Elecrafts perspective, it looks like a normal serial port.
On the other end the KPA500 plugs into the device above.

One last option is to use RS422 boxes that extend RS232 for miles.

Don't forget, you will need good AC power installed.  If you can, I would
recommend using 220V and not 115V as that will limit your voltage drop.

I hope that helps

Mike va3mw






On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 1:47 AM, Ken K6MR <k6mr at outlook.com> wrote:

> One thing to watch is the length of the USB cable. Over about 15 feet or
> so (I believe the spec is 5 meters) you?ll need an active repeater cable or
> some alternate connection method. I use an Ethernet to serial port server
> with a fiber link between the desk and the closet. Two KPAs and two KATs.
>
> Ken K6MR
>
> From: Harry Yingst via Elecraft<mailto:elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Sent: Thursday, May 4, 2017 8:02 PM
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net<mailto:elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: [Elecraft] Remoting the KPA500 & KAT500?
>
> More and more I'm considering remoting my KPA500 out of the shack,mostly
> becuse of the heat and secondly because of the fan noise.
> In doing so it would proably make sense to move the KAT500 along with it.
> Then it would be a matter of routing  one coax from the K3 to th amp, and
> a USB cable with a hub for the two usb to serial adapters for the amp and
> tuner to plug into.
> I already use the control programs to oprrate the amp andtjner and rarely
> touch them.
>
> I figured I'd ask first, since I'm pretty sure others have done this and
> could let me know if there is anything I should watch out for.
>
> Thank you
>
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From N3ND at aol.com  Fri May  5 11:41:32 2017
From: N3ND at aol.com (Dan Atchison)
Date: Fri, 5 May 2017 11:41:32 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 Back Panel Pic
Message-ID: <4f315335-7896-ee04-0f4d-c6fa9fb43f04@aol.com>

Can anyone venture a guess as to what the "cable" is underneath the 
amplifier in the back panel photo?  Also, what type of connection is 
used for grounding?

Dan -- N3ND

From BobDobson at aol.com  Fri May  5 12:06:03 2017
From: BobDobson at aol.com (wa4fom)
Date: Fri, 5 May 2017 09:06:03 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 transistor complement
Message-ID: <1494000363650-7630324.post@n2.nabble.com>


Any word on the transistors used in the KPA1500?  LDMOS? 
10,000 PN2222As?

Thanks in advance.

Bob  WA4FOM



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From hlyingst at yahoo.com  Fri May  5 12:27:02 2017
From: hlyingst at yahoo.com (Harry Yingst)
Date: Fri, 5 May 2017 16:27:02 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] Remoting the KPA500 & KAT500?
In-Reply-To: <BN6PR13MB1252108421474FF1954541919EEB0@BN6PR13MB1252.namprd13.prod.outlook.com>
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Thank you
The USB cable will be under 15 feet as I'm basically planning to put it into a finished storeroom in my basement



      From: Ken K6MR <k6mr at outlook.com>
 To: Harry Yingst <hlyingst at yahoo.com>; "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> 
 Sent: Friday, May 5, 2017 1:47 AM
 Subject: RE: [Elecraft] Remoting the KPA500 & KAT500?
   
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Sent: Thursday, May 4, 2017 8:02 PM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] Remoting the KPA500 & KAT500? ? More and more I'm considering remoting my KPA500 out of the shack,mostly becuse of the heat and secondly because of the fan noise.
In doing so it would proably make sense to move the KAT500 along with it.
Then it would be a matter of routing ?one coax from the K3 to th amp, and a USB cable?with a hub for the two usb to serial adapters for the amp and tuner to plug into.
I already use the control programs to oprrate the amp andtjner and rarely touch them.

I figured I'd ask first, since I'm pretty sure others have done this and could let me know if there is anything I should watch out for.

Thank you?

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From hlyingst at yahoo.com  Fri May  5 12:33:10 2017
From: hlyingst at yahoo.com (Harry Yingst)
Date: Fri, 5 May 2017 16:33:10 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] Remoting the KPA500 & KAT500?
In-Reply-To: <CA+33ts6P5imhcmdXkEWy+RS6HwaCn5ubE2n0op1L6ZjBjnp_ag@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <1236896414.3950810.1494001990711@mail.yahoo.com>

Thank you
The USB cable will be under 15 feet as the room I'm moving it to a?finished storeroom inmy basement is directly below me. I could run serial but the USB makes for a easier install.
One advantage of the move will be easy access to run a new 220 to that room
The one thing I forgot about is the 15 pin aux cable but at that length it will probably be OK.





      From: Michael Walker <va3mw at portcredit.net>
 To: Harry Yingst <hlyingst at yahoo.com> 
Cc: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
 Sent: Friday, May 5, 2017 8:06 AM
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Remoting the KPA500 & KAT500?
   
Hi Harry
You have 2 ways to do this and extending USB is not the best choice if it would work at all. ?
Depending on how far the run is, it might be able to do it via RS232 (from your USB connector) direct into back of devices.? While the spec for RS232 is about 20ft or less, I currently run RS232 over 120' at 9600 baud.? That is fast enough for these devices.? You don't need to go to 38,400 baud as that will limit your cable length.?
This is what I do on my remote base for my Steppir and Rotator control and the tower is 120ft away from the computers.? I don't use any tuners, as that is one less thing to worry about.? None of my equipment is heated and I have seen it work down to -30C without issue.
Your other option is to run a LAN cable and use RS232 over IP adapters such as?https://www.amazon.com/USR-TCP232-306-Serial-Ethernet-Converter-RS232/dp/B01MXWACF3/ref=sr_1_8?ie=UTF8&qid=1493985728&sr=8-8&keywords=rs232+lan.? The guys are RS485.com have some cool stuff as well. ?www.rs485.com
You run some software in your computer that will run the Elecraft software.? From Elecrafts perspective, it looks like a normal serial port.? On the other end the KPA500 plugs into the device above.
One last option is to use RS422 boxes that extend RS232 for miles. ?
Don't forget, you will need good AC power installed.? If you can, I would recommend using 220V and not 115V as that will limit your voltage drop.
I hope that helps
Mike va3mw




   

From eric at elecraft.com  Fri May  5 13:14:36 2017
From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft)
Date: Fri, 5 May 2017 10:14:36 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 Back Panel Pic
In-Reply-To: <4f315335-7896-ee04-0f4d-c6fa9fb43f04@aol.com>
References: <4f315335-7896-ee04-0f4d-c6fa9fb43f04@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4fbc2c28-aa48-4386-339e-bbe6c24c12c5@elecraft.com>

That cable under the amp in the pic is not a normal part of amp. It was 
temporarily present to power up the RF deck front panel for the photo shoot 
studio. (It should have been photo-shopped out :-)

Eric
/elecraft.com/

On 5/5/2017 8:41 AM, Dan Atchison via Elecraft wrote:
> Can anyone venture a guess as to what the "cable" is underneath the amplifier 
> in the back panel photo?  Also, what type of connection is used for grounding?
>
> Dan -- N3ND
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From eric at elecraft.com  Fri May  5 13:15:12 2017
From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft)
Date: Fri, 5 May 2017 10:15:12 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 transistor complement
In-Reply-To: <1494000363650-7630324.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1494000363650-7630324.post@n2.nabble.com>
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LDMOS.

73,
Eric
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On 5/5/2017 9:06 AM, wa4fom via Elecraft wrote:
> Any word on the transistors used in the KPA1500?  LDMOS?
> 10,000 PN2222As?
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Bob  WA4FOM
>
>
>
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From btippett at alum.mit.edu  Fri May  5 13:35:01 2017
From: btippett at alum.mit.edu (Bill W4ZV)
Date: Fri, 5 May 2017 10:35:01 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Main Encoder
In-Reply-To: <58a928cc-0022-1a4c-5d95-5e5d376b1134@embarqmail.com>
References: <1493981226568-7630319.post@n2.nabble.com>
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Message-ID: <1494005701890-7630329.post@n2.nabble.com>

Thanks Don!  Indeed that was the problem and happily I didn't need to remove
the front panel.  

73,  Bill  W4ZV



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From phystad at mac.com  Fri May  5 13:35:48 2017
From: phystad at mac.com (Phil Hystad)
Date: Fri, 05 May 2017 10:35:48 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] VHF+UHF Radio Wish List
Message-ID: <274D22AF-B371-4A93-836C-F456A1E942EC@mac.com>

I was planning to ask a question about the 2-meter option board for K3/K3S but thought to ask this question instead.

Has there ever been interest (by others of this forum) or discussion from Wayne & Eric about a new radio, one specifically dedicated to VHF and UHF with satellite comms (Doppler) and other features.  I am thinking of possibly a three band radio but at least two (2 meter, 70 cm) and optionally 1240-1300 MHz.  All mode of course!  10 to 15 watts output would be all that is necessary (IMO).

There are other radios on the market but they all have one thing in common as far as I know ? they are HF+VHF/UHF such as the Icom 9100 for example.  I am hoping that removing the HF support and the larger amplifier needs would make for a cheaper radio (even from Elecraft).

73, phil, K7PEH

From n8hm at arrl.net  Fri May  5 13:50:25 2017
From: n8hm at arrl.net (Paul Stoetzer)
Date: Fri, 5 May 2017 13:50:25 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] VHF+UHF Radio Wish List
In-Reply-To: <274D22AF-B371-4A93-836C-F456A1E942EC@mac.com>
References: <274D22AF-B371-4A93-836C-F456A1E942EC@mac.com>
Message-ID: <CABzOSOpUBFoZqdthMRVNjFj4WR7xmtCVtVOtuCyJA60SXohuaQ@mail.gmail.com>

I would be interested and I know several others who would be as well!

73,

Paul, N8HM

On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 1:35 PM, Phil Hystad <phystad at mac.com> wrote:
> I was planning to ask a question about the 2-meter option board for K3/K3S but thought to ask this question instead.
>
> Has there ever been interest (by others of this forum) or discussion from Wayne & Eric about a new radio, one specifically dedicated to VHF and UHF with satellite comms (Doppler) and other features.  I am thinking of possibly a three band radio but at least two (2 meter, 70 cm) and optionally 1240-1300 MHz.  All mode of course!  10 to 15 watts output would be all that is necessary (IMO).
>
> There are other radios on the market but they all have one thing in common as far as I know ? they are HF+VHF/UHF such as the Icom 9100 for example.  I am hoping that removing the HF support and the larger amplifier needs would make for a cheaper radio (even from Elecraft).
>
> 73, phil, K7PEH
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From va3mw at portcredit.net  Fri May  5 14:04:55 2017
From: va3mw at portcredit.net (Michael Walker)
Date: Fri, 5 May 2017 14:04:55 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Remoting the KPA500 & KAT500?
In-Reply-To: <1236896414.3950810.1494001990711@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <0b4jox4j1b3hubldv4lma9ni.1493953265277@email.android.com>
	<BN6PR13MB1252108421474FF1954541919EEB0@BN6PR13MB1252.namprd13.prod.outlook.com>
	<CA+33ts6P5imhcmdXkEWy+RS6HwaCn5ubE2n0op1L6ZjBjnp_ag@mail.gmail.com>
	<1236896414.3950810.1494001990711@mail.yahoo.com>
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That will make it easy.

You can either use a USB cable or an RS232 cable.  Both will work fine.

73, Mike va3mw

On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 12:33 PM, Harry Yingst <hlyingst at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Thank you
>
> The USB cable will be under 15 feet as the room I'm moving it to a finished
> storeroom in
> my basement is directly below me. I could run serial but the USB makes for
> a easier install.
>
> One advantage of the move will be easy access to run a new 220 to that room
>
> The one thing I forgot about is the 15 pin aux cable but at that length it
> will probably be OK.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Michael Walker <va3mw at portcredit.net>
> *To:* Harry Yingst <hlyingst at yahoo.com>
> *Cc:* "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> *Sent:* Friday, May 5, 2017 8:06 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [Elecraft] Remoting the KPA500 & KAT500?
>
> Hi Harry
>
> You have 2 ways to do this and extending USB is not the best choice if it
> would work at all.
>
> Depending on how far the run is, it might be able to do it via RS232 (from
> your USB connector) direct into back of devices.  While the spec for RS232
> is about 20ft or less, I currently run RS232 over 120' at 9600 baud.  That
> is fast enough for these devices.  You don't need to go to 38,400 baud as
> that will limit your cable length.
>
> This is what I do on my remote base for my Steppir and Rotator control and
> the tower is 120ft away from the computers.  I don't use any tuners, as
> that is one less thing to worry about.  None of my equipment is heated and
> I have seen it work down to -30C without issue.
>
> Your other option is to run a LAN cable and use RS232 over IP adapters
> such as https://www.amazon.com/USR-TCP232-306-Serial-Ethernet-
> Converter-RS232/dp/B01MXWACF3/ref=sr_1_8?ie=UTF8&qid=
> 1493985728&sr=8-8&keywords=rs232+lan.  The guys are RS485.com have some
> cool stuff as well.  www.rs485.com
>
> You run some software in your computer that will run the Elecraft
> software.  From Elecrafts perspective, it looks like a normal serial port.
> On the other end the KPA500 plugs into the device above.
>
> One last option is to use RS422 boxes that extend RS232 for miles.
>
> Don't forget, you will need good AC power installed.  If you can, I would
> recommend using 220V and not 115V as that will limit your voltage drop.
>
> I hope that helps
>
> Mike va3mw
>
>
>
>
>
>

From phystad at mac.com  Fri May  5 14:26:48 2017
From: phystad at mac.com (Phil Hystad)
Date: Fri, 05 May 2017 11:26:48 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Installing 2-meter option in K3 ?
Message-ID: <AEE8F87D-218C-41AC-ACDB-A9FE7C367C1B@mac.com>

Two questions:

(1) what is your assessment of the level of difficulty of adding the 2-meter option to a K3 (easiest option to hardest would be a reasonable range).

(2) my one concern is soldering the connector to the K3 board.  Instructions limit soldering to prevent from melting the connector.  So, is this a sensitive soldering act requiring expert attention?

My kit background that involves soldering includes a number of the mini-kits from Elecraft as well as Norcal 40A (years ago), KX1 (also years ago).  I have also assembled the kit versions of my K3, P3, KPA500, KAT500, and KX3 (which also had a 2-meter option but I chose for Elecraft to do the work since after I got the kit I found one inductor that would not move out of the way per the Elecraft instructions).

Prior to my Elecraft experience my only work had been in high-school with a homebrew dual-811 linear and a SSB exciter besides kit versions of several receivers (Knight) and Eico 720 transmitter.  But, this was 55 years ago!

73, phil, K7PEH



From kengkopp at gmail.com  Fri May  5 14:51:27 2017
From: kengkopp at gmail.com (Ken G Kopp)
Date: Fri, 5 May 2017 12:51:27 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Satellite operation
In-Reply-To: <CAD4CdTOPpn9YZT=JD3-FQyMHZeonfT_1F5cZ2DHYmu6thv_QtA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAD4CdTMKw+8O2oGZU1q4X3z2m08SfjEcJH6CTqkAddf-kUkiGQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAD4CdTMMcb_mVFyGwtaiPMU9XdEsBDUFMH0hTHU6nEKpM9cadg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAD4CdTM1ATQoVbwG46-0H8_PoyGnpUjn5tPjD26NXWbZtbbb9g@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAD4CdTMWDmQt2nCbWBjjJhUid5_SrGxNh4jjsSNuau-oLCeKRw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAD4CdTN+V3R+20N484q38kKfb9j8zAQpm8TcYCQcovCv+Khd=w@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAD4CdTN_7Oy3w9SzR24VYgweYgqXuyf9tW6X+rbFp2MQEU91GA@mail.gmail.com>
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One of those "Been there, done that" situations ...

Satellite operation can get very boring very quickly.  They are very
predictable and you're likely to work everyone else in a short time.

DX?  They're usually only a relative few miles away.  Have even worked as a
mobile ... Ho Hum

FWIW ....

73

K0PP

From n8hm at arrl.net  Fri May  5 14:55:39 2017
From: n8hm at arrl.net (Paul Stoetzer)
Date: Fri, 5 May 2017 14:55:39 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Satellite operation
In-Reply-To: <CAD4CdTOVkd+g30CaCgHmnj7Vd+gytgAwOq2kAWxSH33zzRt4KQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAD4CdTMKw+8O2oGZU1q4X3z2m08SfjEcJH6CTqkAddf-kUkiGQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Cool story bro.

On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 2:51 PM, Ken G Kopp <kengkopp at gmail.com> wrote:
> One of those "Been there, done that" situations ...
>
> Satellite operation can get very boring very quickly.  They are very
> predictable and you're likely to work everyone else in a short time.
>
> DX?  They're usually only a relative few miles away.  Have even worked as a
> mobile ... Ho Hum
>
> FWIW ....
>
> 73
>
> K0PP
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From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Fri May  5 15:09:13 2017
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Fri, 5 May 2017 15:09:13 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Installing 2-meter option in K3 ?
In-Reply-To: <AEE8F87D-218C-41AC-ACDB-A9FE7C367C1B@mac.com>
References: <AEE8F87D-218C-41AC-ACDB-A9FE7C367C1B@mac.com>
Message-ID: <16c992bf-f37e-b9dc-baf1-204edda2851e@embarqmail.com>

Phil,

That is a statement that should be applied to any thru-hole soldering.
I believe it is made so those who have little or no soldering experience 
will pay attention.
One should use a temperature controlled soldering iron, and apply heat 
long enough (but only long enough) to see the solder flow out onto both 
the board and component.
If you linger on the connection, that is when damage occurs.
It is no more difficult than any other thru-hole component soldering.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 5/5/2017 2:26 PM, Phil Hystad wrote:
> Two questions:
> 
> (1) what is your assessment of the level of difficulty of adding the 2-meter option to a K3 (easiest option to hardest would be a reasonable range).
> 
> (2) my one concern is soldering the connector to the K3 board.  Instructions limit soldering to prevent from melting the connector.  So, is this a sensitive soldering act requiring expert attention?
> 

From k3hx at juno.com  Fri May  5 14:49:40 2017
From: k3hx at juno.com (k3hx at juno.com)
Date: Fri, 5 May 2017 18:49:40 GMT
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Martian New Years special event station.
Message-ID: <20170505.184940.7495.1@webmail02.dca.untd.com>

 Martian New Years special event station K3M (I'll be using my mighty (?) K-1)will operate tomorrow, 06 May 2017 from @1400-2000 UTC from Mars, PA. We will also be activating W3EXW DStar repeater during the Friday and Saturday event.  We will be using REF063A.  There will be PSA on REF063C to direct traffic to the REF063A reflector. Mars, PA is about 25 mi north of Pittsburgh, PA. The special event station is in conjunction with the Mars, PA "Martian New Year Festival"which features programs and exhibits from NASA, the Jet Propulsion Lab and  the CarnegieScience Center.  The phone ops plan to operate @55kHz up from the bottom of the phone band on 40 and 20whilst I'll be banging away @55 kHz up from the bottom of the CW portions of 40 and 20. If you are in the area, NHARC will be operating out of the Miniature RR Pavilion on the groundsof the Historical Society on the south side of town.  Look for the red B&O caboose and 1888train station.  We will be behind the train station. From the ARRL Contest Update: The North Hills Amateur Radio Club (NHARC) will be commemorating the Martian New Year  with a special event station in Mars, PA, on May 6, 2017, as part of the event. The Martian New Year only happens every couple of years, Earth-time. Though the town features a 'mid century modern' looking gen-you-wine flying saucer, the activities on May 4 - May 6 are focused around STEAM (Science, Technology, Engineering, Arts and Mathematics) activities, and will include NASA participation. Look for their call, K3M, on 20 and 40 meter phone and CW.  QSLs go to N2MA. (Tim, K3HX) Marvin may make an appearance!  Sirius-ly! 73, Tim K3HX
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From k6mr at outlook.com  Fri May  5 15:36:16 2017
From: k6mr at outlook.com (Ken K6MR)
Date: Fri, 5 May 2017 19:36:16 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Remoting the KPA500 & KAT500?
In-Reply-To: <1236896414.3950810.1494001990711@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <0b4jox4j1b3hubldv4lma9ni.1493953265277@email.android.com>
	<BN6PR13MB1252108421474FF1954541919EEB0@BN6PR13MB1252.namprd13.prod.outlook.com>
	<CA+33ts6P5imhcmdXkEWy+RS6HwaCn5ubE2n0op1L6ZjBjnp_ag@mail.gmail.com>,
	<1236896414.3950810.1494001990711@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BN6PR13MB1252553066DE88380FC631FA9EEB0@BN6PR13MB1252.namprd13.prod.outlook.com>

My ?Aux? cable is about 25 feet long. It?s just a CAT5 cable wired appropriately.  Works fine.

Ken K6MR

From: Harry Yingst via Elecraft<mailto:elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Friday, May 5, 2017 9:38 AM
To: Michael Walker<mailto:va3mw at portcredit.net>
Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net<mailto:elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Remoting the KPA500 & KAT500?

Thank you
The USB cable will be under 15 feet as the room I'm moving it to a finished storeroom inmy basement is directly below me. I could run serial but the USB makes for a easier install.
One advantage of the move will be easy access to run a new 220 to that room
The one thing I forgot about is the 15 pin aux cable but at that length it will probably be OK.





      From: Michael Walker <va3mw at portcredit.net>
 To: Harry Yingst <hlyingst at yahoo.com>
Cc: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
 Sent: Friday, May 5, 2017 8:06 AM
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Remoting the KPA500 & KAT500?

Hi Harry
You have 2 ways to do this and extending USB is not the best choice if it would work at all.
Depending on how far the run is, it might be able to do it via RS232 (from your USB connector) direct into back of devices.  While the spec for RS232 is about 20ft or less, I currently run RS232 over 120' at 9600 baud.  That is fast enough for these devices.  You don't need to go to 38,400 baud as that will limit your cable length.
This is what I do on my remote base for my Steppir and Rotator control and the tower is 120ft away from the computers.  I don't use any tuners, as that is one less thing to worry about.  None of my equipment is heated and I have seen it work down to -30C without issue.
Your other option is to run a LAN cable and use RS232 over IP adapters such as https://www.amazon.com/USR-TCP232-306-Serial-Ethernet-Converter-RS232/dp/B01MXWACF3/ref=sr_1_8?ie=UTF8&qid=1493985728&sr=8-8&keywords=rs232+lan.  The guys are RS485.com have some cool stuff as well.  www.rs485.com<http://www.rs485.com>
You run some software in your computer that will run the Elecraft software.  From Elecrafts perspective, it looks like a normal serial port.  On the other end the KPA500 plugs into the device above.
One last option is to use RS422 boxes that extend RS232 for miles.
Don't forget, you will need good AC power installed.  If you can, I would recommend using 220V and not 115V as that will limit your voltage drop.
I hope that helps
Mike va3mw





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From phystad at mac.com  Fri May  5 15:50:04 2017
From: phystad at mac.com (Phil Hystad)
Date: Fri, 05 May 2017 12:50:04 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Installing 2-meter option in K3 ?
In-Reply-To: <16c992bf-f37e-b9dc-baf1-204edda2851e@embarqmail.com>
References: <AEE8F87D-218C-41AC-ACDB-A9FE7C367C1B@mac.com>
	<16c992bf-f37e-b9dc-baf1-204edda2851e@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <2505CD7D-EEC6-489B-B018-97A925D16EF5@mac.com>

Don,

Thanks.  Yes, I have a good quality temperature controlled iron (static type).  I am comfortable with thru-hole soldering of regular stuff but I was not sure about the warning in the assembly instructions as to how sensitive the plastic is to heat.  I understand the part about heating until flow and then getting the iron away from the board.

73, phil, K7PEH

> On May 5, 2017, at 12:09 PM, Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Phil,
> 
> That is a statement that should be applied to any thru-hole soldering.
> I believe it is made so those who have little or no soldering experience will pay attention.
> One should use a temperature controlled soldering iron, and apply heat long enough (but only long enough) to see the solder flow out onto both the board and component.
> If you linger on the connection, that is when damage occurs.
> It is no more difficult than any other thru-hole component soldering.
> 
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
> 
> On 5/5/2017 2:26 PM, Phil Hystad wrote:
>> Two questions:
>> (1) what is your assessment of the level of difficulty of adding the 2-meter option to a K3 (easiest option to hardest would be a reasonable range).
>> (2) my one concern is soldering the connector to the K3 board.  Instructions limit soldering to prevent from melting the connector.  So, is this a sensitive soldering act requiring expert attention?


From phystad at mac.com  Fri May  5 15:51:48 2017
From: phystad at mac.com (Phil Hystad)
Date: Fri, 05 May 2017 12:51:48 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Installing 2-meter option in K3 ?
In-Reply-To: <FD4B1418-DF7D-4DAB-A8C3-5C8D55D9F25F@w2cs.net>
References: <AEE8F87D-218C-41AC-ACDB-A9FE7C367C1B@mac.com>
	<FD4B1418-DF7D-4DAB-A8C3-5C8D55D9F25F@w2cs.net>
Message-ID: <4D5D8EB6-7360-4D21-8616-403304700B84@mac.com>

> 
> You sound like you?re stating all the reasons you should not do it :)  

OK, whatever.

> 
> I would rate this option about a 3 (0-10, easiest is zero)

Thanks for your rating assessment.

PEH


> 
> GL 73
> 
> Gary W2CS
> 
> 
>> On May 5, 2017, at 2:26 PM, Phil Hystad <phystad at mac.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Two questions:
>> 
>> (1) what is your assessment of the level of difficulty of adding the 2-meter option to a K3 (easiest option to hardest would be a reasonable range).
>> 
>> (2) my one concern is soldering the connector to the K3 board.  Instructions limit soldering to prevent from melting the connector.  So, is this a sensitive soldering act requiring expert attention?
>> 
>> My kit background that involves soldering includes a number of the mini-kits from Elecraft as well as Norcal 40A (years ago), KX1 (also years ago).  I have also assembled the kit versions of my K3, P3, KPA500, KAT500, and KX3 (which also had a 2-meter option but I chose for Elecraft to do the work since after I got the kit I found one inductor that would not move out of the way per the Elecraft instructions).
>> 
>> Prior to my Elecraft experience my only work had been in high-school with a homebrew dual-811 linear and a SSB exciter besides kit versions of several receivers (Knight) and Eico 720 transmitter.  But, this was 55 years ago!
>> 
>> 73, phil, K7PEH
>> 
>> 
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From tomb18 at videotron.ca  Fri May  5 16:02:06 2017
From: tomb18 at videotron.ca (Tom)
Date: Fri, 5 May 2017 16:02:06 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] There is a new release of Win4K3Suite
Message-ID: <E422247A676F4D1FA20FDA8ADC15C1B6@DESKTOPAV61F2H>

Hello,
There is a new release of Win4K3Suite available.  This release extends the 
improvements made to the KPA500 support to the KX3 and KX2.  Win4K3Suite 
will allow full control of the KPA500 from all of the K line radios 
supporting band switching, fan control and access to remote control using 
TeamViewer.
You can see Win4K3Suite in action at 
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=win4k3suite
In case you are not aware, Win4K3Suite is a comprehensive control program 
for the Elecraft K3, K3S, KX3 and KX2.  It supports all hardware such as the 
KPA500, and KAT500 even on the KX2.  Win4K3Suite also has built in 
panadapter support for the P3, LPPAN2 and the SDRPlay RSP. There is no 
configuration necessary to support all modes and filter settings for QSY's.
Another useful feature of Win4K3Suite is that it interfaces to all 3rd party 
logging and digital mode programs such as HRDLogbook, DX Keeper, NAP3, 
N3FJP, N1MM+, FLDigi, MIXW as well as hardware devices such as the K3/0, the 
Pig Knob and various antenna tuners.  In order to understand how to do this, 
there is a video on youtube that gives clear instructions on using the 
virtual port management facilities of Win4K3Suite:  You can access it at
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jh6IS0S1dE&t=4s

There is no need for LPBridge, and if you can wish you can even continue to 
use NAP3 if you prefer that interface.  You can read a review about this 
here: http://www.eham.net/reviews/detail/11214

Thanks for your support!
73 Tom
va2fsq.com 


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From hlyingst at yahoo.com  Fri May  5 16:21:51 2017
From: hlyingst at yahoo.com (Harry Yingst)
Date: Fri, 5 May 2017 20:21:51 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] Remoting the KPA500 & KAT500?
In-Reply-To: <BN6PR13MB1252553066DE88380FC631FA9EEB0@BN6PR13MB1252.namprd13.prod.outlook.com>
References: <0b4jox4j1b3hubldv4lma9ni.1493953265277@email.android.com>
	<BN6PR13MB1252108421474FF1954541919EEB0@BN6PR13MB1252.namprd13.prod.outlook.com>
	<CA+33ts6P5imhcmdXkEWy+RS6HwaCn5ubE2n0op1L6ZjBjnp_ag@mail.gmail.com>
	<1236896414.3950810.1494001990711@mail.yahoo.com>
	<BN6PR13MB1252553066DE88380FC631FA9EEB0@BN6PR13MB1252.namprd13.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <223786279.4188836.1494015711090@mail.yahoo.com>

thank you

      From: Ken K6MR <k6mr at outlook.com>
 To: Harry Yingst <hlyingst at yahoo.com> 
Cc: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
 Sent: Friday, May 5, 2017 3:36 PM
 Subject: RE: [Elecraft] Remoting the KPA500 & KAT500?
   
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Sent: Friday, May 5, 2017 9:38 AM
To: Michael Walker
Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Remoting the KPA500 & KAT500? ? Thank you
The USB cable will be under 15 feet as the room I'm moving it to a?finished storeroom inmy basement is directly below me. I could run serial but the USB makes for a easier install.
One advantage of the move will be easy access to run a new 220 to that room
The one thing I forgot about is the 15 pin aux cable but at that length it will probably be OK.


   

From kstover at ac0h.net  Fri May  5 18:25:02 2017
From: kstover at ac0h.net (Kevin Stover, AC0H)
Date: Fri, 5 May 2017 17:25:02 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Should we expect something new in Dayton?
In-Reply-To: <FBEEEB41-DAD0-404E-BD4C-7DBB13439AE9@yahoo.com>
References: <FBEEEB41-DAD0-404E-BD4C-7DBB13439AE9@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <0482b94c-7a9b-2808-e56b-7c0f5c4033c5@ac0h.net>

Anybody else notice the bigger box, probably a necessity, on the KPA1500 
or the change in color of the LCD from Orange to Blue?

Hmmmmm...bigger box, change age of color scheme. K3X (Extreme) or K4?

On 5/2/2017 6:08 PM, Tom branton via Elecraft wrote:
> Any thoughts on new Elecraft equipment being introduced at Dayton?
> 
> 
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From k6mr at outlook.com  Fri May  5 18:50:39 2017
From: k6mr at outlook.com (Ken K6MR)
Date: Fri, 5 May 2017 22:50:39 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Should we expect something new in Dayton?
In-Reply-To: <0482b94c-7a9b-2808-e56b-7c0f5c4033c5@ac0h.net>
References: <FBEEEB41-DAD0-404E-BD4C-7DBB13439AE9@yahoo.com>,
	<0482b94c-7a9b-2808-e56b-7c0f5c4033c5@ac0h.net>
Message-ID: <BN6PR13MB12521BFB78AB41AB972174599EEB0@BN6PR13MB1252.namprd13.prod.outlook.com>

I believe the most important item to note is the ?TX SAMPLE? jack on the rear panel.  That has SDR written all over it.

Ken K6MR

From: Kevin Stover, AC0H<mailto:kstover at ac0h.net>
Sent: Friday, May 5, 2017 3:26 PM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net<mailto:elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Should we expect something new in Dayton?

Anybody else notice the bigger box, probably a necessity, on the KPA1500
or the change in color of the LCD from Orange to Blue?

Hmmmmm...bigger box, change age of color scheme. K3X (Extreme) or K4?

On 5/2/2017 6:08 PM, Tom branton via Elecraft wrote:
> Any thoughts on new Elecraft equipment being introduced at Dayton?
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
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From edauer at law.du.edu  Fri May  5 18:59:27 2017
From: edauer at law.du.edu (Dauer, Edward)
Date: Fri, 5 May 2017 22:59:27 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Excess K3 Boards
Message-ID: <SN1PR06MB2287AE67C021FE169173F3ACE7EB0@SN1PR06MB2287.namprd06.prod.outlook.com>

Having just upgraded my K3 (s/n 76XX) with the new KXV3B and KIO3B boards, I have the old boards and some other things that I no longer need.

The original KXV3 and KIO3 boards are free to a good home.  However, please don't ask for them if the result would be to move them from my spare parts box to yours.  I would like them, or either of them, to go to someone who needs and would actually use them.  They worked perfectly since new.  I am pretty sure they were not injured during removal, but at the price of zero I am making no warranty.

I also still have two of the original synths, though as I understand the supply (huge) and the demand (none), these will go gratis to the first person who could use a couple of drink coasters.

I also have the outboard PR6-10, which is not gratis.  Best offer by next Wednesday at 6:00 MDT takes it, CONUS shipping paid.  Personal check only, no Paypal.  This will ship with two male-male BNC connectors which allow it to be attached to the K3 with no cables other than the power supply and control line.

Finally, I have one or two of the SMD capacitors left from the upgrade of KBPF3.  Three are required for the mod, four are supplied with each mod kit.  Perhaps presciently, I ordered two mod kits knowing that I would lose at least two of the little buggers.  So I started with 8; three made it onto the board; two remain in the bag.  That means three disappeared into the dust somewhere.  In any case, anyone who is contemplating this mod might value having a couple of extras if their SMD skills are equal to mine (that is to say, completely absent.)  These also are no cost to the taker - with the same request as above.  I will send them in an envelope many orders of magnitude larger than the parts.

For all but the PR6-10, first in time is first in right. 

Please reply off-list.  Thanks,

Ted, KN1CBR

From k9yeq at live.com  Fri May  5 19:15:15 2017
From: k9yeq at live.com (Bill Johnson)
Date: Fri, 5 May 2017 23:15:15 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] VHF+UHF Radio Wish List
In-Reply-To: <274D22AF-B371-4A93-836C-F456A1E942EC@mac.com>
References: <274D22AF-B371-4A93-836C-F456A1E942EC@mac.com>
Message-ID: <SC1P152MB091253376F82262384F0E6EE9CEB0@SC1P152MB0912.LAMP152.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

Phil,

Wayne and Eric are smart dudes, for sure.  I don't know that they are into VHF, UHF to the degree needed to do what you ask.  They do have a team of engineers, also very bright and HAM interested, so the request may eventually take hold.  I would love a K2 or K3 style platform for VHF, UHF based on the Elecraft design features to include features such as full duplex, etc.  I don't know what the market for such equipment might be, but they might wish to respond to our interest?!  I would enjoy such equipment and they could allow space for modules to be added which would include even higher freq stuff for those who wanted it. 

72 & 73,
Bill
K9YEQ, FT?er for K2, KX1, KX3, KXPA100,  KAT500, W2, etc. 

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Phil Hystad
Sent: Friday, May 5, 2017 12:36 PM
To: Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: [Elecraft] VHF+UHF Radio Wish List

I was planning to ask a question about the 2-meter option board for K3/K3S but thought to ask this question instead.

Has there ever been interest (by others of this forum) or discussion from Wayne & Eric about a new radio, one specifically dedicated to VHF and UHF with satellite comms (Doppler) and other features.  I am thinking of possibly a three band radio but at least two (2 meter, 70 cm) and optionally 1240-1300 MHz.  All mode of course!  10 to 15 watts output would be all that is necessary (IMO).

There are other radios on the market but they all have one thing in common as far as I know ? they are HF+VHF/UHF such as the Icom 9100 for example.  I am hoping that removing the HF support and the larger amplifier needs would make for a cheaper radio (even from Elecraft).

73, phil, K7PEH
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From hlyingst at yahoo.com  Fri May  5 20:23:35 2017
From: hlyingst at yahoo.com (Harry Yingst)
Date: Sat, 6 May 2017 00:23:35 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] VHF+UHF Radio Wish List
In-Reply-To: <SC1P152MB091253376F82262384F0E6EE9CEB0@SC1P152MB0912.LAMP152.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
References: <274D22AF-B371-4A93-836C-F456A1E942EC@mac.com>
	<SC1P152MB091253376F82262384F0E6EE9CEB0@SC1P152MB0912.LAMP152.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
Message-ID: <1828174325.4287979.1494030215500@mail.yahoo.com>

At one point I considered taking a K3/10 and installing Transverters where the PA deck would go.



      From: Bill Johnson <k9yeq at live.com>
 To: Phil Hystad <phystad at mac.com>; Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> 
 Sent: Friday, May 5, 2017 7:17 PM
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] VHF+UHF Radio Wish List
   
Phil,

Wayne and Eric are smart dudes, for sure.? I don't know that they are into VHF, UHF to the degree needed to do what you ask.? They do have a team of engineers, also very bright and HAM interested, so the request may eventually take hold.? I would love a K2 or K3 style platform for VHF, UHF based on the Elecraft design features to include features such as full duplex, etc.? I don't know what the market for such equipment might be, but they might wish to respond to our interest?!? I would enjoy such equipment and they could allow space for modules to be added which would include even higher freq stuff for those who wanted it. 

72 & 73,
Bill
K9YEQ, FT?er for K2, KX1, KX3, KXPA100,? KAT500, W2, etc. 

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Phil Hystad
Sent: Friday, May 5, 2017 12:36 PM
To: Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: [Elecraft] VHF+UHF Radio Wish List

I was planning to ask a question about the 2-meter option board for K3/K3S but thought to ask this question instead.

Has there ever been interest (by others of this forum) or discussion from Wayne & Eric about a new radio, one specifically dedicated to VHF and UHF with satellite comms (Doppler) and other features.? I am thinking of possibly a three band radio but at least two (2 meter, 70 cm) and optionally 1240-1300 MHz.? All mode of course!? 10 to 15 watts output would be all that is necessary (IMO).

There are other radios on the market but they all have one thing in common as far as I know ? they are HF+VHF/UHF such as the Icom 9100 for example.? I am hoping that removing the HF support and the larger amplifier needs would make for a cheaper radio (even from Elecraft).

73, phil, K7PEH
   

From kc6cnn at gmail.com  Fri May  5 21:02:59 2017
From: kc6cnn at gmail.com (KC6CNN)
Date: Fri, 5 May 2017 18:02:59 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] not bashing a product just a warning to future
	purchasers.
Message-ID: <1494032579887-7630349.post@n2.nabble.com>

I know that Elecraft does not want people bashing other companies products
and I in no way want to bash them. I do however want to warn other kit
builder and kit lovers to please use caution when ordering any kit from
QRP-LABS. First it ships from Japan, second the products are so poorly made
that the part leads bend when holding the part up by the end of the lead. 
The design was difficult and instructions are very crude. 
They are Cheap in price lol but also cheap in quality . 

Thanks hope this helps someone save their money. 

Gerald KC6CNN





-----
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K1 # 0014
K3 # 6294
KX3 # 757
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From bill at wjschmidt.com  Fri May  5 21:27:32 2017
From: bill at wjschmidt.com (Dr. William J. Schmidt)
Date: Fri, 5 May 2017 20:27:32 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] not bashing a product just a warning to future
	purchasers.
In-Reply-To: <1494032579887-7630349.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1494032579887-7630349.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <37B14305-F737-46C1-85A6-AEC929CF5A39@wjschmidt.com>

I find their kits to be the exact opposite of your experience. I have six of their kits, the last two were build by my 15 YO son (at the time) with zero problems.  They also have a forum like Elecraft and a very helpful users group and designer, which leads me to ask why you would post this on the Elecraft forum instead of the qrp-labs forum?  Elecraft and qrp-laps fill different segments of business and have no overlap in products. 


Dr. William J. Schmidt - K9HZ J68HZ 8P6HK ZF2HZ PJ4/K9HZ VP5/K9HZ PJ2/K9HZ
 
Owner - Operator
Big Signal Ranch ? K9ZC
Staunton, Illinois
 
Owner ? Operator
Villa Grand Piton - J68HZ
Soufriere, St. Lucia W.I.
Rent it: www.VillaGrandPiton.com

email:  bill at wjschmidt.com
 

> On May 5, 2017, at 8:02 PM, KC6CNN <kc6cnn at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I know that Elecraft does not want people bashing other companies products
> and I in no way want to bash them. I do however want to warn other kit
> builder and kit lovers to please use caution when ordering any kit from
> QRP-LABS. First it ships from Japan, second the products are so poorly made
> that the part leads bend when holding the part up by the end of the lead. 
> The design was difficult and instructions are very crude. 
> They are Cheap in price lol but also cheap in quality . 
> 
> Thanks hope this helps someone save their money. 
> 
> Gerald KC6CNN
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----
> KC6CNN - Gerald
> K1 # 0014
> K3 # 6294
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From k9yeq at live.com  Fri May  5 21:53:05 2017
From: k9yeq at live.com (Bill Johnson)
Date: Sat, 6 May 2017 01:53:05 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] not bashing a product just a warning to
	future	purchasers.
In-Reply-To: <37B14305-F737-46C1-85A6-AEC929CF5A39@wjschmidt.com>
References: <1494032579887-7630349.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<37B14305-F737-46C1-85A6-AEC929CF5A39@wjschmidt.com>
Message-ID: <RO1P152MB0907283D573A42C185E11FC29CE80@RO1P152MB0907.LAMP152.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

My experience with these products to be quite a variable for quality control and luck of the draw applies.  Best of luck to all as you get what you pay for and your experiences will vary dramatically.  I try to stick to known sources and US based. IMHO.  No response expected.

73,
Bill
K9YEQ

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Dr. William J. Schmidt
Sent: Friday, May 5, 2017 8:28 PM
To: KC6CNN <kc6cnn at gmail.com>
Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] not bashing a product just a warning to future purchasers.

I find their kits to be the exact opposite of your experience. I have six of their kits, the last two were build by my 15 YO son (at the time) with zero problems.  They also have a forum like Elecraft and a very helpful users group and designer, which leads me to ask why you would post this on the Elecraft forum instead of the qrp-labs forum?  Elecraft and qrp-laps fill different segments of business and have no overlap in products. 


Dr. William J. Schmidt - K9HZ J68HZ 8P6HK ZF2HZ PJ4/K9HZ VP5/K9HZ PJ2/K9HZ
 
Owner - Operator
Big Signal Ranch ? K9ZC
Staunton, Illinois
 
Owner ? Operator
Villa Grand Piton - J68HZ
Soufriere, St. Lucia W.I.
Rent it: www.VillaGrandPiton.com

email:  bill at wjschmidt.com
 

> On May 5, 2017, at 8:02 PM, KC6CNN <kc6cnn at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I know that Elecraft does not want people bashing other companies 
> products and I in no way want to bash them. I do however want to warn 
> other kit builder and kit lovers to please use caution when ordering 
> any kit from QRP-LABS. First it ships from Japan, second the products 
> are so poorly made that the part leads bend when holding the part up by the end of the lead.
> The design was difficult and instructions are very crude. 
> They are Cheap in price lol but also cheap in quality . 
> 
> Thanks hope this helps someone save their money. 
> 
> Gerald KC6CNN
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----
> KC6CNN - Gerald
> K1 # 0014
> K3 # 6294
> KX3 # 757
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From wb4jfi at knology.net  Fri May  5 22:04:05 2017
From: wb4jfi at knology.net (wb4jfi at knology.net)
Date: Fri, 5 May 2017 22:04:05 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] not bashing a product just a warning to
	futurepurchasers.
In-Reply-To: <1494032579887-7630349.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1494032579887-7630349.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <9FBAA2730D8A44D7AD60171E8D45BE01@tfoxserver3>

While this is OT, I think it deserves a response.  I have built several 
QRP-Labs kits, and have had no problems, other than an initial short in the 
oven-based oscillator, which we were warned about in the instructions.

These are NOT HeathKit level kits, but almost nothing is anymore.  I 
recommend the QRP-Labs Ultimate 3S beacon and other stuff to anyone with 
some building experience.  The Ultimate 3S is a good value to me.

As always, YMMV, but these are not nearly as bad as the Chinese ham 
projects.
73, Terry, N4TLF


-----Original Message----- 
From: KC6CNN
Sent: Friday, May 05, 2017 9:02 PM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] not bashing a product just a warning to 
futurepurchasers.

I know that Elecraft does not want people bashing other companies products
and I in no way want to bash them. I do however want to warn other kit
builder and kit lovers to please use caution when ordering any kit from
QRP-LABS. First it ships from Japan, second the products are so poorly made
that the part leads bend when holding the part up by the end of the lead.
The design was difficult and instructions are very crude.
They are Cheap in price lol but also cheap in quality .

Thanks hope this helps someone save their money.

Gerald KC6CNN





-----
KC6CNN - Gerald
K1 # 0014
K3 # 6294
KX3 # 757
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From hlyingst at yahoo.com  Fri May  5 22:08:31 2017
From: hlyingst at yahoo.com (Harry Yingst)
Date: Sat, 6 May 2017 02:08:31 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] not bashing a product just a warning to
	future	purchasers.
In-Reply-To: <1494032579887-7630349.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1494032579887-7630349.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <1366205247.4376411.1494036511343@mail.yahoo.com>

I also have purchased one of their kits and was pleased with it in both quality and instructions.
I found no problems at all with the quality and I plan to purchase more from them.




      From: KC6CNN <kc6cnn at gmail.com>
 To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net 
 Sent: Friday, May 5, 2017 9:06 PM
 Subject: [Elecraft] not bashing a product just a warning to future purchasers.
   
I know that Elecraft does not want people bashing other companies products
and I in no way want to bash them. I do however want to warn other kit
builder and kit lovers to please use caution when ordering any kit from
QRP-LABS. First it ships from Japan, second the products are so poorly made
that the part leads bend when holding the part up by the end of the lead. 
The design was difficult and instructions are very crude. 
They are Cheap in price lol but also cheap in quality . 

Thanks hope this helps someone save their money. 

Gerald KC6CNN





-----
KC6CNN - Gerald
K1 # 0014
K3 # 6294
KX3 # 757

   

From k7jltextra at gmail.com  Fri May  5 22:47:30 2017
From: k7jltextra at gmail.com (John Hendricks)
Date: Fri, 5 May 2017 19:47:30 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Wish List P3
In-Reply-To: <CAGUxkM44NOsGGQhzvRODXN+0npmy-EPLtU7QV+Vwc5nrUssm1g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGUxkM4UA=e5Vf5mMGC9zk5LJt_KXy4tsTnTc3qDuFWUE31S3g@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGUxkM6jCPTGQZgqqeq8GRR8pOtfs4JDjGKyr9NYOBZGBcDNHw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGUxkM6AZ59BNWdi4f_peW3y_ExbkViOZGqnV+jQyMG6vrpfBg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGUxkM7W4VjAitKAYqf1ui0FwOtJcPbNzk0DjYn0Jxhq+fWn8A@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGUxkM4xP+0ja77t+iUaB3_4pcnJE9r433YMqA8ZD+0Gazc7-w@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGUxkM7KpRNXx5gNDPf5Rr8F8tdq249fZHCcS6q4_hj3XSqcTA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGUxkM44NOsGGQhzvRODXN+0npmy-EPLtU7QV+Vwc5nrUssm1g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGUxkM6m+e79N7gsovbOFzHzWiccHh1Vti+ZrY1mhZ7yULi4tw@mail.gmail.com>

I would like to see two switchable IF inputs on the P3 with different
profiles so I could easily select different radios.

John K7JLT

John K7JLT

From edauer at law.du.edu  Fri May  5 22:49:19 2017
From: edauer at law.du.edu (Dauer, Edward)
Date: Sat, 6 May 2017 02:49:19 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Excess K3 boards
Message-ID: <505A1ACD-5FF4-4B14-B7D0-7138076D03B1@law.du.edu>

The KIO3 and KXV3 boards have been spoken for ? several times over, in fact.

No requests yet for the old synths.  They have to be useful for something.  Skeet shooting, maybe?

The PR 6-10 is still open for offers (see original post below), and the itsy-bitsy SMD caps are still available gratis, assuming I can find them among the other molecules in the packaging they came in.  Have I mentioned that they are very small?

Ted, KN1CBR

    ------------------------------
    
    Message: 20
    Date: Fri, 5 May 2017 22:59:27 +0000
    From: "Dauer, Edward" <edauer at law.du.edu>
    To: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
    Subject: [Elecraft] Excess K3 Boards
    Message-ID:
    	<SN1PR06MB2287AE67C021FE169173F3ACE7EB0 at SN1PR06MB2287.namprd06.prod.outlook.com>
    	
    Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
    
    Having just upgraded my K3 (s/n 76XX) with the new KXV3B and KIO3B boards, I have the old boards and some other things that I no longer need.
    
    The original KXV3 and KIO3 boards are free to a good home.  However, please don't ask for them if the result would be to move them from my spare parts box to yours.  I would like them, or either of them, to go to someone who needs and would actually use them.  They worked perfectly since new.  I am pretty sure they were not injured during removal, but at the price of zero I am making no warranty.
    
    I also still have two of the original synths, though as I understand the supply (huge) and the demand (none), these will go gratis to the first person who could use a couple of drink coasters.
    
    I also have the outboard PR6-10, which is not gratis.  Best offer by next Wednesday at 6:00 MDT takes it, CONUS shipping paid.  Personal check only, no Paypal.  This will ship with two male-male BNC connectors which allow it to be attached to the K3 with no cables other than the power supply and control line.
    
    Finally, I have one or two of the SMD capacitors left from the upgrade of KBPF3.  Three are required for the mod, four are supplied with each mod kit.  Perhaps presciently, I ordered two mod kits knowing that I would lose at least two of the little buggers.  So I started with 8; three made it onto the board; two remain in the bag.  That means three disappeared into the dust somewhere.  In any case, anyone who is contemplating this mod might value having a couple of extras if their SMD skills are equal to mine (that is to say, completely absent.)  These also are no cost to the taker - with the same request as above.  I will send them in an envelope many orders of magnitude larger than the parts.
    
    For all but the PR6-10, first in time is first in right. 
    
    Please reply off-list.  Thanks,
    
    Ted, KN1CBR
    
 



From w4rks73 at gmail.com  Fri May  5 22:59:54 2017
From: w4rks73 at gmail.com (James Wilson)
Date: Fri, 5 May 2017 21:59:54 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Use for old KSYN3 boards
Message-ID: <CAJNRSCYXyX_R21VnCp3M9NR8p-XcehR2GKDDWuPKBioKGXF5BQ@mail.gmail.com>

While there is no market for the old Synth. boards,
they are full of tiny suface mounted parts. Excellent
place to practice removing and replacing some
of them.

You can't hurt it. Try your hand. You may be surprised
at how easily it can be done. (Even for these
89 year old hands and eyes.)   :-)

Jim - W4RKS

From b.denley at comcast.net  Fri May  5 23:06:05 2017
From: b.denley at comcast.net (Brian Denley)
Date: Fri, 5 May 2017 23:06:05 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 transistor complement
In-Reply-To: <7155b2ea-7a24-05ec-337d-ba362efc9d84@elecraft.com>
References: <1494000363650-7630324.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<7155b2ea-7a24-05ec-337d-ba362efc9d84@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <1F966D6E-4BDD-4005-AD70-DCA5DB6BDFF5@comcast.net>

Damn!  I was hoping it was the 2222s...

Brian 
KB1VBF
Sent from my iPad

> On May 5, 2017, at 1:15 PM, Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft <eric at elecraft.com> wrote:
> 
> LDMOS.
> 
> 73,
> Eric
> /elecraft.com/
> 
>> On 5/5/2017 9:06 AM, wa4fom via Elecraft wrote:
>> Any word on the transistors used in the KPA1500?  LDMOS?
>> 10,000 PN2222As?
>> 
>> Thanks in advance.
>> 
>> Bob  WA4FOM
>> 
>> 
>> 
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From hlyingst at yahoo.com  Fri May  5 23:42:09 2017
From: hlyingst at yahoo.com (Harry Yingst)
Date: Fri, 05 May 2017 23:42:09 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Use for old KSYN3 boards
Message-ID: <5xi5joea9bms595t47xtwy5r.1494042129348@email.android.com>

As I recall there is also a shielded toroid on them similar to the sheilded one for the K2.
Plus tmp connectors that can come in handy.






-------- Original message --------
From: James Wilson <w4rks73 at gmail.com> 
Date: 2017-05-05  10:59 PM  (GMT-05:00) 
To: Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> 
Subject: [Elecraft] Use for old KSYN3 boards 

While there is no market for the old Synth. boards,
they are full of tiny suface mounted parts. Excellent
place to practice removing and replacing some
of them.

You can't hurt it. Try your hand. You may be surprised
at how easily it can be done. (Even for these
89 year old hands and eyes.)?? :-)

Jim - W4RKS
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From hlyingst at yahoo.com  Fri May  5 23:45:08 2017
From: hlyingst at yahoo.com (Harry Yingst)
Date: Fri, 05 May 2017 23:45:08 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Excess K3 boards
Message-ID: <bbly9otcjjavycyq80iw16vp.1494042308496@email.android.com>

Those caps as I recall are .1uf they can come in handy to have around




-------- Original message --------
From: "Dauer, Edward" <edauer at law.du.edu> 
Date: 2017-05-05  10:49 PM  (GMT-05:00) 
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net 
Subject: [Elecraft] Excess K3 boards 

The KIO3 and KXV3 boards have been spoken for ? several times over, in fact.

No requests yet for the old synths.? They have to be useful for something.? Skeet shooting, maybe?

The PR 6-10 is still open for offers (see original post below), and the itsy-bitsy SMD caps are still available gratis, assuming I can find them among the other molecules in the packaging they came in.? Have I mentioned that they are very small?

Ted, KN1CBR

??? ------------------------------
??? 
??? Message: 20
??? Date: Fri, 5 May 2017 22:59:27 +0000
??? From: "Dauer, Edward" <edauer at law.du.edu>
??? To: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
??? Subject: [Elecraft] Excess K3 Boards
??? Message-ID:
??? 	<SN1PR06MB2287AE67C021FE169173F3ACE7EB0 at SN1PR06MB2287.namprd06.prod.outlook.com>
??? 	
??? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
??? 
??? Having just upgraded my K3 (s/n 76XX) with the new KXV3B and KIO3B boards, I have the old boards and some other things that I no longer need.
??? 
??? The original KXV3 and KIO3 boards are free to a good home.? However, please don't ask for them if the result would be to move them from my spare parts box to yours.? I would like them, or either of them, to go to someone who needs and would actually use them.? They worked perfectly since new.? I am pretty sure they were not injured during removal, but at the price of zero I am making no warranty.
??? 
??? I also still have two of the original synths, though as I understand the supply (huge) and the demand (none), these will go gratis to the first person who could use a couple of drink coasters.
??? 
??? I also have the outboard PR6-10, which is not gratis.? Best offer by next Wednesday at 6:00 MDT takes it, CONUS shipping paid.? Personal check only, no Paypal.? This will ship with two male-male BNC connectors which allow it to be attached to the K3 with no cables other than the power supply and control line.
??? 
??? Finally, I have one or two of the SMD capacitors left from the upgrade of KBPF3.? Three are required for the mod, four are supplied with each mod kit.? Perhaps presciently, I ordered two mod kits knowing that I would lose at least two of the little buggers.? So I started with 8; three made it onto the board; two remain in the bag.? That means three disappeared into the dust somewhere.? In any case, anyone who is contemplating this mod might value having a couple of extras if their SMD skills are equal to mine (that is to say, completely absent.)? These also are no cost to the taker - with the same request as above.? I will send them in an envelope many orders of magnitude larger than the parts.
??? 
??? For all but the PR6-10, first in time is first in right. 
??? 
??? Please reply off-list.? Thanks,
??? 
??? Ted, KN1CBR
??? 
 


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From kl7uw at acsalaska.net  Sat May  6 03:28:38 2017
From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole)
Date: Fri, 05 May 2017 23:28:38 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] (no subject)
Message-ID: <201705060728.v467SetL022107@mail42c28.carrierzone.com>

I can add that serious eme'rs have gone the route of using 
transverters with better quality HF radios on the IF.  I had a FT-847 
(HF/50/144/432) all-mode radio bought in 1998 for both satellite and 
2m-eme.  But it was disappointing on HF, plus not all that great on 
CW-eme.  It was a very nice radio for satellite back when SSB HEO 
satellites still existed (I worked AO-10 and AO-40).

But eventually saw the value of having a high quality HF CW radio as 
IF using transverters.  I have the K3/10.  It is used on 6m, 2m, and 
23cm eme.  None of the HF-VHF/UHF radios come close.

I can see a KX3 concept using 50-MHz as IF for bands from 144 to 
1296.  Serious VHFers would like the modular design with slots  for 
each transverter so one could customize the radio build.  25w is 
probably a more marketable RF level.  Most of the "dc-light" radios 
run 50/100w.

With the current satellite constellation one only needs HT's.  On the 
horizon will be GEO stationary ham sats using microwave bands and 
digital modes.  Not something Elecraft will get into.  Its going to 
be a hard sell to get even the diehard satellite users to upgrade to 
mw.  It will be done with turnkey mw units that will utilize SDR's as core.

So if you want is all in one box you have the TS2000X or 
IC9100.  Yaesu no longer makes a satellite radio.  FT-891 comes closest.

Really serious VHFers are getting the K3S and adding transverters.

73, Ed - KL7UW

From: Harry Yingst <hlyingst at yahoo.com>
To: Bill Johnson <k9yeq at live.com>, Phil Hystad <phystad at mac.com>,
         Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] VHF+UHF Radio Wish List
Message-ID: <1828174325.4287979.1494030215500 at mail.yahoo.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8

At one point I considered taking a K3/10 and installing Transverters 
where the PA deck would go.


73, Ed - KL7UW
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From hans.summers at gmail.com  Sat May  6 04:38:18 2017
From: hans.summers at gmail.com (Hans Summers)
Date: Sat, 6 May 2017 11:38:18 +0300
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: not bashing a product just a warning to future
	purchasers.
Message-ID: <CA+WqgiYe67x_5LJsGLyPxDkwZZTyCtH=qB4JfvO-PYrfimgn5g@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Gerald

Well if that isn't product bashing, I don't know what is... you are
entitled to your opinion, but in the rare event of a dissatisfied customer
we prefer if you contact us directly with your problem, rather than post
vague critiicism in a public and un-related forum. I feel the need to set
the record straight on a few points, and apologise for the bandwidth here
in the Elecraft forum where the original post should never have been
posted; hence the "OT" prefix to the post.

Firstly for background - QRP Labs was started properly, in April 2013.
Since that time we have shipped out almost 40,000 kits across our range, in
9,500 orders, to thousands of customers globally. The products are very
highly appreciated and have received good reviews in major amatuer radio
publications around the world; the most recent US publications are QST
November 2016, QST May May 2017, and TSM (The Spectrum Monitor) May 2017
http://www.thespectrummonitor.com/

We ship from Japan for, what were at the time, my personal reasons. But it
makes no difference - they have to ship from somewhere, and they are
intended for everyone, not exclusively for US kit builders! In fact we have
shipped packages to 69 countries worldwide. That's 69 post office entities,
not DXCC entities which would be a much higher count ;-)   Every order
confirmation sent out since April 2013 has requested feedback from the
customer on when the package arrives. A proportion of people do provide
this feedback and this has enabled us to openly publish statistics on
shipping times, which you can see on the website at
http://qrp-labs.com/shipping - and further information on shipping is
available at http://qrp-labs.com/faq#shipping so there should not have
needed to be any surprises. A pleasant side-effect is that shipping from
Japan is very reliable and inexpensive, Japanese international airmail is
cheaper for example, than sending something domestically within the UK and
many other countries.

You ordered two 50-ohm 20W Dummy Load kits http://qrp-labs.com/dummy at a
price of $8.50 each which I believe is the least priced dummy load kit
anywhere. This is also one of our simplest to assemble and use kits. I am
at a loss to understand your comment about the part leads bending under the
component's own weight! The resistors in the kit are 20pcs of 1K 1W
resistor, there is no way those chunky resistor wires bend easily! In all
the kits we use good quality components, all through-hole - usually
1/4-Watt resistors but in some kits 1/6-Watt where physical space
constraints dictate, or the 1W resistors where higher power is needed. The
capacitors are NP0 types with Class-I low loss RF dielectric. All the PCBs
are professional quality two-layer with through-hole plating, soldermask
and silkscreen.

The dummy load design is just 20x 1K resistors in parallel to make 50-ohms,
sandwiched between two PCBs... I don't think it gets much easier than
this... and we also receive very good feedback on the assembly and
operating instructions for all the kits, which are very comprehensive.
Additionally for people than run into difficulties we have a QRP Labs email
group at https://groups.io/g/QRPLabs , and direct email support from QRP
Labs, as well as a free repair service as the last resort.

You need only type "QRP Labs" into Google to get an idea of the great
reputation the kits have earned. Blogs, web pages, videos, etc.

Regardless of whether I can understand your reasons, QRP Labs wants
customer satisfaction, and clearly you are not satisfied. Gerald. Therefore
I have refunded in full, the $22 you spent ($8.50 x 2 for the kits, and $5
shipping). I trust that this will go some way to resolving your
dissatisfaction. It is the first time in 9,493 orders for QRP Labs kits
that I have received a complaint like this, and needed to refund the
purchase.

Vy 73 de Hans G0UPL
http://qrp-labs.com

I know that Elecraft does not want people bashing other companies products
> and I in no way want to bash them. I do however want to warn other kit
> builder and kit lovers to please use caution when ordering any kit from
> QRP-LABS. First it ships from Japan, second the products are so poorly made
> that the part leads bend when holding the part up by the end of the lead.
> The design was difficult and instructions are very crude.
> They are Cheap in price lol but also cheap in quality .
>
> Thanks hope this helps someone save their money.
>
> Gerald KC6CNN
>
>

From Andy at rickham.net  Sat May  6 05:06:37 2017
From: Andy at rickham.net (Andy McMullin)
Date: Sat, 6 May 2017 10:06:37 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] VHF+UHF Radio Wish List
In-Reply-To: <CABzOSOpUBFoZqdthMRVNjFj4WR7xmtCVtVOtuCyJA60SXohuaQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <274D22AF-B371-4A93-836C-F456A1E942EC@mac.com>
	<CABzOSOpUBFoZqdthMRVNjFj4WR7xmtCVtVOtuCyJA60SXohuaQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F0B37233-FB57-4DD3-925C-455B07E1F635@rickham.net>

I am one who would like to register interest too!

Regards
Andy, G8TQH 

> On 5 May 2017, at 18:50, Paul Stoetzer <n8hm at arrl.net> wrote:
> 
> I would be interested and I know several others who would be as well!
> 
> 73,
> 
> Paul, N8HM
> 
> On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 1:35 PM, Phil Hystad <phystad at mac.com> wrote:
>> I was planning to ask a question about the 2-meter option board for K3/K3S but thought to ask this question instead.
>> 
>> Has there ever been interest (by others of this forum) or discussion from Wayne & Eric about a new radio, one specifically dedicated to VHF and UHF with satellite comms (Doppler) and other features.  I am thinking of possibly a three band radio but at least two (2 meter, 70 cm) and optionally 1240-1300 MHz.  All mode of course!  10 to 15 watts output would be all that is necessary (IMO).
>> 
>> There are other radios on the market but they all have one thing in common as far as I know ? they are HF+VHF/UHF such as the Icom 9100 for example.  I am hoping that removing the HF support and the larger amplifier needs would make for a cheaper radio (even from Elecraft).
>> 
>> 73, phil, K7PEH
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From z_kevino at hotmail.com  Sat May  6 07:00:54 2017
From: z_kevino at hotmail.com (kevino z)
Date: Sat, 6 May 2017 11:00:54 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] VHF+UHF Radio Wish List
In-Reply-To: <SC1P152MB091253376F82262384F0E6EE9CEB0@SC1P152MB0912.LAMP152.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
References: <274D22AF-B371-4A93-836C-F456A1E942EC@mac.com>,
	<SC1P152MB091253376F82262384F0E6EE9CEB0@SC1P152MB0912.LAMP152.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
Message-ID: <MWHPR15MB1166CA9F9C165BC709CDBF6BFAE80@MWHPR15MB1166.namprd15.prod.outlook.com>

I asked Eric and David once about the idea of a sat radio. I believe their response was that Elecraft was great at HF, and HF was where they were concentrating on. 

That being said, not sure why, out of the blue, after 10 years, they decided to resurrect the 1500 W amp project and see it to fruition.

I know one thing, anything Elecraft does is done with careful thought. If the day comes when elecraft makes a satellite all-mode, full-duplex rig, it will be a home run. Linear, digital, and FM satellites with an Elecraft in my hands... One can dream...

-Kevin (KK4YEL) 


No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However, a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced !

> On May 5, 2017, at 19:17, Bill Johnson <k9yeq at live.com> wrote:
> 
> Phil,
> 
> Wayne and Eric are smart dudes, for sure.  I don't know that they are into VHF, UHF to the degree needed to do what you ask.  They do have a team of engineers, also very bright and HAM interested, so the request may eventually take hold.  I would love a K2 or K3 style platform for VHF, UHF based on the Elecraft design features to include features such as full duplex, etc.  I don't know what the market for such equipment might be, but they might wish to respond to our interest?!  I would enjoy such equipment and they could allow space for modules to be added which would include even higher freq stuff for those who wanted it. 
> 
> 72 & 73,
> Bill
> K9YEQ, FT?er for K2, KX1, KX3, KXPA100,  KAT500, W2, etc. 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Phil Hystad
> Sent: Friday, May 5, 2017 12:36 PM
> To: Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: [Elecraft] VHF+UHF Radio Wish List
> 
> I was planning to ask a question about the 2-meter option board for K3/K3S but thought to ask this question instead.
> 
> Has there ever been interest (by others of this forum) or discussion from Wayne & Eric about a new radio, one specifically dedicated to VHF and UHF with satellite comms (Doppler) and other features.  I am thinking of possibly a three band radio but at least two (2 meter, 70 cm) and optionally 1240-1300 MHz.  All mode of course!  10 to 15 watts output would be all that is necessary (IMO).
> 
> There are other radios on the market but they all have one thing in common as far as I know ? they are HF+VHF/UHF such as the Icom 9100 for example.  I am hoping that removing the HF support and the larger amplifier needs would make for a cheaper radio (even from Elecraft).
> 
> 73, phil, K7PEH
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From z_kevino at hotmail.com  Sat May  6 07:12:14 2017
From: z_kevino at hotmail.com (kevino z)
Date: Sat, 6 May 2017 11:12:14 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: not bashing a product just a warning to
	future	purchasers.
In-Reply-To: <CA+WqgiYe67x_5LJsGLyPxDkwZZTyCtH=qB4JfvO-PYrfimgn5g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+WqgiYe67x_5LJsGLyPxDkwZZTyCtH=qB4JfvO-PYrfimgn5g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <MWHPR15MB11668FD9418855A5D51CB7A0FAE80@MWHPR15MB1166.namprd15.prod.outlook.com>

I will state this: there are only two companies in this hobby that I would buy a product from without worry, and with the comfort that product quality, customer support, and customer care would follow: Elecraft, and QRPLabs. Plain and simple.

Even though I've spent lots more $ with Elecraft (imagine that),  I  have built and operate 2 QRPLabs U3, 1 U3s, their entire Band Pass Filter line, and more. Never a problem, and Hans has always been a great help. Reminds me of the attention I get when I call and speak to the amazing team at Elecraft.

I'm going to honor the recent reminders from the mods and ask that this thread be closed. One complain, one rebuttal, and the company had its chance to have their say.  Please close this thread.
-Kevin (KK4YEL) 

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> On May 6, 2017, at 04:40, Hans Summers <hans.summers at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Dear Gerald
> 
> Well if that isn't product bashing, I don't know what is... you are
> entitled to your opinion, but in the rare event of a dissatisfied customer
> we prefer if you contact us directly with your problem, rather than post
> vague critiicism in a public and un-related forum. I feel the need to set
> the record straight on a few points, and apologise for the bandwidth here
> in the Elecraft forum where the original post should never have been
> posted; hence the "OT" prefix to the post.
> 
> Firstly for background - QRP Labs was started properly, in April 2013.
> Since that time we have shipped out almost 40,000 kits across our range, in
> 9,500 orders, to thousands of customers globally. The products are very
> highly appreciated and have received good reviews in major amatuer radio
> publications around the world; the most recent US publications are QST
> November 2016, QST May May 2017, and TSM (The Spectrum Monitor) May 2017
> http://www.thespectrummonitor.com/
> 
> We ship from Japan for, what were at the time, my personal reasons. But it
> makes no difference - they have to ship from somewhere, and they are
> intended for everyone, not exclusively for US kit builders! In fact we have
> shipped packages to 69 countries worldwide. That's 69 post office entities,
> not DXCC entities which would be a much higher count ;-)   Every order
> confirmation sent out since April 2013 has requested feedback from the
> customer on when the package arrives. A proportion of people do provide
> this feedback and this has enabled us to openly publish statistics on
> shipping times, which you can see on the website at
> http://qrp-labs.com/shipping - and further information on shipping is
> available at http://qrp-labs.com/faq#shipping so there should not have
> needed to be any surprises. A pleasant side-effect is that shipping from
> Japan is very reliable and inexpensive, Japanese international airmail is
> cheaper for example, than sending something domestically within the UK and
> many other countries.
> 
> You ordered two 50-ohm 20W Dummy Load kits http://qrp-labs.com/dummy at a
> price of $8.50 each which I believe is the least priced dummy load kit
> anywhere. This is also one of our simplest to assemble and use kits. I am
> at a loss to understand your comment about the part leads bending under the
> component's own weight! The resistors in the kit are 20pcs of 1K 1W
> resistor, there is no way those chunky resistor wires bend easily! In all
> the kits we use good quality components, all through-hole - usually
> 1/4-Watt resistors but in some kits 1/6-Watt where physical space
> constraints dictate, or the 1W resistors where higher power is needed. The
> capacitors are NP0 types with Class-I low loss RF dielectric. All the PCBs
> are professional quality two-layer with through-hole plating, soldermask
> and silkscreen.
> 
> The dummy load design is just 20x 1K resistors in parallel to make 50-ohms,
> sandwiched between two PCBs... I don't think it gets much easier than
> this... and we also receive very good feedback on the assembly and
> operating instructions for all the kits, which are very comprehensive.
> Additionally for people than run into difficulties we have a QRP Labs email
> group at https://groups.io/g/QRPLabs , and direct email support from QRP
> Labs, as well as a free repair service as the last resort.
> 
> You need only type "QRP Labs" into Google to get an idea of the great
> reputation the kits have earned. Blogs, web pages, videos, etc.
> 
> Regardless of whether I can understand your reasons, QRP Labs wants
> customer satisfaction, and clearly you are not satisfied. Gerald. Therefore
> I have refunded in full, the $22 you spent ($8.50 x 2 for the kits, and $5
> shipping). I trust that this will go some way to resolving your
> dissatisfaction. It is the first time in 9,493 orders for QRP Labs kits
> that I have received a complaint like this, and needed to refund the
> purchase.
> 
> Vy 73 de Hans G0UPL
> http://qrp-labs.com
> 
> I know that Elecraft does not want people bashing other companies products
>> and I in no way want to bash them. I do however want to warn other kit
>> builder and kit lovers to please use caution when ordering any kit from
>> QRP-LABS. First it ships from Japan, second the products are so poorly made
>> that the part leads bend when holding the part up by the end of the lead.
>> The design was difficult and instructions are very crude.
>> They are Cheap in price lol but also cheap in quality .
>> 
>> Thanks hope this helps someone save their money.
>> 
>> Gerald KC6CNN
>> 
>> 
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From k6xk at ncn.net  Sat May  6 07:44:12 2017
From: k6xk at ncn.net (Roy Koeppe)
Date: Sat, 6 May 2017 06:44:12 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500 back panel pic
Message-ID: <DB934C10CC3A4AC690F58CA2FFC65332@ROYKOEPPEHP>

About,

"...Also, what type of connection is 
used for grounding?..."

Looks like a full-sized banana plug jack?

73,   Roy   K6XK




From c-hawley at illinois.edu  Sat May  6 08:34:41 2017
From: c-hawley at illinois.edu (ke9uw)
Date: Sat, 6 May 2017 05:34:41 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] K3/K3s Macro Book
In-Reply-To: <CAGC7P24CWei3WwOCz9iRn5tWFTr6wUH2aAkf-eDyL26c=jFUPQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGC7P24CWei3WwOCz9iRn5tWFTr6wUH2aAkf-eDyL26c=jFUPQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1494074081083-7630367.post@n2.nabble.com>

Macro book? Where is it available?



-----
Chuck, KE9UW
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From ny9h at arrl.net  Sat May  6 09:13:31 2017
From: ny9h at arrl.net (bill steffey)
Date: Sat, 06 May 2017 09:13:31 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Satellite operation
In-Reply-To: <CAD4CdTOVkd+g30CaCgHmnj7Vd+gytgAwOq2kAWxSH33zzRt4KQ@mail.g
	mail.com>
References: <CAD4CdTMKw+8O2oGZU1q4X3z2m08SfjEcJH6CTqkAddf-kUkiGQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAD4CdTMMcb_mVFyGwtaiPMU9XdEsBDUFMH0hTHU6nEKpM9cadg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAD4CdTM1ATQoVbwG46-0H8_PoyGnpUjn5tPjD26NXWbZtbbb9g@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAD4CdTMWDmQt2nCbWBjjJhUid5_SrGxNh4jjsSNuau-oLCeKRw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAD4CdTN+V3R+20N484q38kKfb9j8zAQpm8TcYCQcovCv+Khd=w@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAD4CdTN_7Oy3w9SzR24VYgweYgqXuyf9tW6X+rbFp2MQEU91GA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAD4CdTM+8gFSW+Sa6OoDqZ20Z3gsdtyC9kg3ARCeXZEM0KU4NQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAD4CdTOPpn9YZT=JD3-FQyMHZeonfT_1F5cZ2DHYmu6thv_QtA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAD4CdTOVkd+g30CaCgHmnj7Vd+gytgAwOq2kAWxSH33zzRt4KQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <mailman.420.1494076421.7381.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>

looking at his QSL card,
i made one sat contact ...my one & only :  w9nkf  Oscar 6 orbit# 
19240,  had my keyer ptting my IC 22S....   the hiss came up on 10 
meters  and I worked my next door neighbor...    easy 
peasy....  22elements pointed south ...
...my sense was fishing in the HF pond was more fun that the repeater 
in the sky,
that was dec 30 1976
h/3


At 02:51 PM 5/5/2017, Ken G Kopp wrote:
>One of those "Been there, done that" situations ...
>
>Satellite operation can get very boring very quickly.  They are very
>predictable and you're likely to work everyone else in a short time.
>
>DX?  They're usually only a relative few miles away.  Have even worked as a
>mobile ... Ho Hum
>
>FWIW ....


From dave at nk7z.net  Sat May  6 09:22:09 2017
From: dave at nk7z.net (Dave Cole)
Date: Sat, 6 May 2017 06:22:09 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3/K3s Macro Book
In-Reply-To: <1494074081083-7630367.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <CAGC7P24CWei3WwOCz9iRn5tWFTr6wUH2aAkf-eDyL26c=jFUPQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<1494074081083-7630367.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <c8088ce7-60fe-809c-f74e-6bfc921a3c0c@nk7z.net>

KE7X sells them.  Quite a good book on macro use and creation I might add.

See:
http://www.ke7x.com/home/macro-programming

73s and thanks,
Dave
NK7Z
http://www.nk7z.net

On 05/06/2017 05:34 AM, ke9uw wrote:
> Macro book? Where is it available?
>
>
>
> -----
> Chuck, KE9UW
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From johnmb at nc.rr.com  Sat May  6 09:38:13 2017
From: johnmb at nc.rr.com (john)
Date: Sat, 6 May 2017 09:38:13 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] not bashing a product just a warning to future<--
	Nonsense
Message-ID: <1dc40175-d921-ba5e-3039-0fc2c46b0de6@nc.rr.com>

Politely:

That post was total BS.

Hans is a gentleman, stands behind his awesome products and produces 
high quality innovative designs. To say otherwise indicates a lack of 
experience or an axe that's looking for grinding.


Rgds
John K5MO

From kq2rp.cw at gmail.com  Sat May  6 11:04:10 2017
From: kq2rp.cw at gmail.com (Chris Del Plato KQ2RP)
Date: Sat, 6 May 2017 11:04:10 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] not bashing a product just a warning to future
	purchasers.
Message-ID: <CACZQ6i8GxT51N0-j_KYt8pa8fW9OTa=3K-yv5YtghEDQW_d2Mg@mail.gmail.com>

Sounds like kit-building isn't for you.

QRPLabs kits are some of the finest, best-value kits in amateur radio. As
an experienced kit builder, I give them a ringing endorsement.

I'm not alone:

http://www.eham.net/reviews/detail/11890

72,
Chris KQ2RP

From len at ka7ftp.com  Sat May  6 11:09:34 2017
From: len at ka7ftp.com (len at ka7ftp.com)
Date: Sat, 6 May 2017 09:09:34 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: not bashing a product just a warning to
	future	purchasers.
References: <CA+WqgiYe67x_5LJsGLyPxDkwZZTyCtH=qB4JfvO-PYrfimgn5g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <05b201d2c67a$c50ed8c0$4f2c8a40$@ka7ftp.com>

.

This frustrates me to see Gerald's OT post on the Elecraft list.

First:  It is totally inappropriate material for the Elecraft support list.
Shame on you Gerald.

Second: Since the can of worms was open I feel it necessary to come to Hans
defense.

I have been both a fan and customer of Hans for many years.  Hans is a first
class engineer as well as an honest supplier of really neat and cool kits.
He has not only shared his knowledge openly with the Ham Radio, computer,
and other technical communities.  But though his kits made access to his
designs easily accessible to others.   I have built his U2 and U3.  The
thought behind every aspect of the U3 is simply brilliant.  If you have
never seen a U3 look at the picture of mine:  http://ka7ftp.com/

Every time I've bought kits from Hans I've almost felt guilty of theft since
his prices are so low.   Hans answers his email and is contactable in many
ways.  Thank you Hans, please keep it up.

Big Big Fan and supporter!

KA7FTP

73

Len Bayles




-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Hans
Summers
Sent: Saturday, May 06, 2017 2:38 AM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: not bashing a product just a warning to future
purchasers.

Dear Gerald

Well if that isn't product bashing, I don't know what is... you are entitled
to your opinion, but in the rare event of a dissatisfied customer we prefer
if you contact us directly with your problem, rather than post vague
critiicism in a public and un-related forum. I feel the need to set the
record straight on a few points, and apologise for the bandwidth here in the
Elecraft forum where the original post should never have been posted; hence
the "OT" prefix to the post.

Firstly for background - QRP Labs was started properly, in April 2013.
Since that time we have shipped out almost 40,000 kits across our range, in
9,500 orders, to thousands of customers globally. The products are very
highly appreciated and have received good reviews in major amatuer radio
publications around the world; the most recent US publications are QST
November 2016, QST May May 2017, and TSM (The Spectrum Monitor) May 2017
http://www.thespectrummonitor.com/

We ship from Japan for, what were at the time, my personal reasons. But it
makes no difference - they have to ship from somewhere, and they are
intended for everyone, not exclusively for US kit builders! In fact we have
shipped packages to 69 countries worldwide. That's 69 post office entities,
not DXCC entities which would be a much higher count ;-)   Every order
confirmation sent out since April 2013 has requested feedback from the
customer on when the package arrives. A proportion of people do provide this
feedback and this has enabled us to openly publish statistics on shipping
times, which you can see on the website at http://qrp-labs.com/shipping -
and further information on shipping is available at
http://qrp-labs.com/faq#shipping so there should not have needed to be any
surprises. A pleasant side-effect is that shipping from Japan is very
reliable and inexpensive, Japanese international airmail is cheaper for
example, than sending something domestically within the UK and many other
countries.

You ordered two 50-ohm 20W Dummy Load kits http://qrp-labs.com/dummy at a
price of $8.50 each which I believe is the least priced dummy load kit
anywhere. This is also one of our simplest to assemble and use kits. I am at
a loss to understand your comment about the part leads bending under the
component's own weight! The resistors in the kit are 20pcs of 1K 1W
resistor, there is no way those chunky resistor wires bend easily! In all
the kits we use good quality components, all through-hole - usually 1/4-Watt
resistors but in some kits 1/6-Watt where physical space constraints
dictate, or the 1W resistors where higher power is needed. The capacitors
are NP0 types with Class-I low loss RF dielectric. All the PCBs are
professional quality two-layer with through-hole plating, soldermask and
silkscreen.

The dummy load design is just 20x 1K resistors in parallel to make 50-ohms,
sandwiched between two PCBs... I don't think it gets much easier than
this... and we also receive very good feedback on the assembly and operating
instructions for all the kits, which are very comprehensive.
Additionally for people than run into difficulties we have a QRP Labs email
group at https://groups.io/g/QRPLabs , and direct email support from QRP
Labs, as well as a free repair service as the last resort.

You need only type "QRP Labs" into Google to get an idea of the great
reputation the kits have earned. Blogs, web pages, videos, etc.

Regardless of whether I can understand your reasons, QRP Labs wants customer
satisfaction, and clearly you are not satisfied. Gerald. Therefore I have
refunded in full, the $22 you spent ($8.50 x 2 for the kits, and $5
shipping). I trust that this will go some way to resolving your
dissatisfaction. It is the first time in 9,493 orders for QRP Labs kits that
I have received a complaint like this, and needed to refund the purchase.

Vy 73 de Hans G0UPL
http://qrp-labs.com

I know that Elecraft does not want people bashing other companies products
> and I in no way want to bash them. I do however want to warn other kit 
> builder and kit lovers to please use caution when ordering any kit 
> from QRP-LABS. First it ships from Japan, second the products are so 
> poorly made that the part leads bend when holding the part up by the end
of the lead.
> The design was difficult and instructions are very crude.
> They are Cheap in price lol but also cheap in quality .
>
> Thanks hope this helps someone save their money.
>
> Gerald KC6CNN
>
>
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From g0hio at hotmail.co.uk  Sat May  6 11:43:42 2017
From: g0hio at hotmail.co.uk (michael warrington)
Date: Sat, 6 May 2017 15:43:42 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] KX1    LOST TX NEED HELP PLEASE
Message-ID: <HE1PR06MB1225C3ACE776FA755331DAD8ABE80@HE1PR06MB1225.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>

KX1 STILL NO TX! Help Please.
Still can't work out where my TX fault is, I have a tiny amount of RF at the antenna out.

A Few measurements made using an RF probe and dc voltmeter
At T1      Pin1  5 volts
                Pin2  0 volts
                Pin3 0 volts
                Pin4 1.9 volts

Q6          Base 1.9 volts
                Collector 0 volts
                Emitter 1.8 volts
DC voltages seem about right, tried lots of stuff remove rewind T1 replaced q4 q5 q6.
Anyone who can help guide me where to look with the RF probe to narrow the problem down a bit,
I don't seem to have enough knowledge to move forward.
Thanks Mike G0HIO


From ae5x at juno.com  Sat May  6 11:44:14 2017
From: ae5x at juno.com (John AE5X)
Date: Sat, 6 May 2017 15:44:14 GMT
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: not bashing a product just a warning to future
	purchase	rs.
Message-ID: <20170506.104414.6667.0@webmail02.vgs.untd.com>

I've built several of Hans' kits over the years and was fortunate enough to meet him in person a few years ago. He's a stand-up guy all the way and embodies characteristics that are sorely lacking in KC6CNN.

His "Ultimate" series kits break new ground in ham radio - they are innovative and there is nothing else like them out there. One is adrift in the Pacific and still "reporting home" after almost a year:
http://www.qsl.net/zl1rs/oceanfloater.html

Others have circumnavigated the world on cheap mylar party balloons:
http://www.qrp-labs.com/circumnavigators.html

Gerald, if you have so much as an iota of class you'll make an attempt to stand up on your hind legs and apologize to Hans just as publicly as you criticized him under the guise of "helping someone save their money".

John AE5X
http://ae5x.blogspot.com/
_________________________
>First:  It is totally inappropriate material for the Elecraft support list.
>Shame on you Gerald.
>
>Second: Since the can of worms was open I feel it necessary to come to Hans
>defense.
____________________________________________________________
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From dave at w8fgu.com  Sat May  6 11:48:12 2017
From: dave at w8fgu.com (Dave Van Wallaghen)
Date: Sat, 06 May 2017 15:48:12 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] W8FGU in Dayton again this year
Message-ID: <em982c2407-3592-4761-b165-1893a0270cdc@dvw-t100>

Hi Folks,

I wanted to label this OT but it does pertain to a number of Elecraft 
products, so I think I'm on subject. I thank you in advance for the 
bandwidth and if this doesn't pertain to you please exercise the delete 
key now ;-)

I will be working in the Elecraft booth again this year (9 years is hard 
to believe) and plan to bring some of my enclosure products with me. So 
please stop by after perusing the new KPA1500 and say hi. I'll be 
bringing a few mini-module enclosures and a number KX3, PX3 and KX2 dust 
covers for a donation of the list price minus shipping costs.

If you are attending and would like me to bring something specific (most 
relevant to my international customers), please let me know ASAP and I 
will put it together for you and bring it with me.

You can view all of my products here: www.w8fgu.com

As far as my dust covers go for the KX line, I still recommend Scott's 
(AK6Q) GemsProducts www.gemsproducts.com for full protection for field 
use. These are really built to protect your KX line product. But if your 
looking for an economical way to protect you KX line product on the 
bench, I offer my dust cover line. And of course, for travel, you can't 
beat the case line produced by fellow list member Rose Kopp (and her 
husband Ken).

To keep the chatter down on the list, please contact me directly for any 
questions, comments or concerns.

Thanks again for the bandwidth.

73,
Dave W8FGU


From idarack at gmail.com  Sat May  6 11:52:42 2017
From: idarack at gmail.com (Irwin Darack)
Date: Sat, 06 May 2017 15:52:42 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] K3/K3s Macro Book
In-Reply-To: <1494074081083-7630367.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <CAGC7P24CWei3WwOCz9iRn5tWFTr6wUH2aAkf-eDyL26c=jFUPQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<1494074081083-7630367.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <CAGC7P25FPaUX1HVL_=kjB0HEpYCn7AxwKDWJrGHzdj-w-RuN8g@mail.gmail.com>

I am hoping they have some forsale at Dayton so I do not have to pay
shipping.

Irwin , KD3TB

On Sat, May 6, 2017 at 8:36 AM ke9uw <c-hawley at illinois.edu> wrote:

> Macro book? Where is it available?
>
>
>
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From frantz at pwpconsult.com  Sat May  6 11:58:37 2017
From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz)
Date: Sat,  6 May 2017 08:58:37 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Excess K3 boards
In-Reply-To: <505A1ACD-5FF4-4B14-B7D0-7138076D03B1@law.du.edu>
Message-ID: <r470Ps-10124i-BAE4F4B8CFD8400EB78AED5ECAD3E6D6@Williams-MacBook-Pro.local>

They should be great for practicing SMT rework. You can install 
them in a K3 and see if they still work after you have played 
with them. If not, well, it was a learning experience.

73 Bill AE6JV

On 5/6/17 at 7:49 PM, edauer at law.du.edu (Dauer, Edward) wrote:

>No requests yet for the old synths.  They have to be useful for something.  Skeet shooting, maybe?
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From g4gnx at theatreorgans.co.uk  Sat May  6 12:42:17 2017
From: g4gnx at theatreorgans.co.uk (Alan. G4GNX)
Date: Sat, 6 May 2017 17:42:17 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] K3/K3s Macro Book
In-Reply-To: <CAGC7P25FPaUX1HVL_=kjB0HEpYCn7AxwKDWJrGHzdj-w-RuN8g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGC7P24CWei3WwOCz9iRn5tWFTr6wUH2aAkf-eDyL26c=jFUPQ@mail.gmail.com><1494074081083-7630367.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<CAGC7P25FPaUX1HVL_=kjB0HEpYCn7AxwKDWJrGHzdj-w-RuN8g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1B60C77B6B794A0CB5D33A6C2BB51147@G4GNXLaptop>

You can order and download the book in pdf format for $20. Why not help save 
the planet? :-)

73,

Alan. G4GNX

-----Original Message----- 
From: Irwin Darack
Sent: Saturday, May 6, 2017 4:52 PM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net ; ke9uw
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3/K3s Macro Book

I am hoping they have some forsale at Dayton so I do not have to pay
shipping.

Irwin , KD3TB


From w1go at icloud.com  Sat May  6 12:49:45 2017
From: w1go at icloud.com (W1GO (Joe))
Date: Sat, 06 May 2017 12:49:45 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA runaway issue
Message-ID: <624F98C7-308C-400A-9822-264D3BA45D37@icloud.com>


Elecraft faithful,

Any guidance with trouble shooting a KPA500 / K3 issue would be helpful.

Problem: KPA500, primarily in SSB, ?redlines? (600W+ LED) after a few seconds of transmission / speech.  This seems to be independent of band.  With the KPA in standby, the K3 output power holds rock steady as indicated in the KPA.

Conditions:
-  Only about 20W of drive in SSB can result in the ?redlining?  ? To eliminate the redlining, I have to turn drive down to about 18W. ? about 20W in CW provides about 500W fairly solid.
-  The K3 is powered by a 70A supply that does not sag much upon K3 keydown (14V to ~13.7V indicated on K3)
-  KPA is powered off 240 ? I tried two different KPA transformer taps as I noticed with yellow tap the supply voltage right about 60V and occasionally a little below on key down.  Supply voltage stays well above 60V with red tap but same ?redlining? of the KPA.
-  Have tried various mic gain compression settings using dynamic mikes.  Without amp in-line I do fine with gain 30, compression 20 (10db).  I?ve gone as low as gain 15 / compression 15 (~5db) with no impact.
- I?ve tried various TXG VCE rating from -1.5 to 1.5 ? no impact.
-  ALC on ? ext ALC off ?. varied these to see if there would be an impact.  None.
-  SWR (to different antennas) is <1.7 w/o KAT500 and <1.3 w/ KAT500


What I?ve tried / done:
-  Gain / compression changes as above
-  Checked K3 supply voltage and no significant voltage drop on key down
-  Changed power supply to a 35A powering K3 with no change 
-  Varied KPA transformer taps to ensure supply above 60V
-  Changed coax between K3 and KPA and KPA and KAT500
-  Tried with two different antennas / coax runs and had same result
-  Varied TXG VCE from -1.5 to 1.5
-  Performed gain calibration on K3



I?ve had the KPA for about 9 months but primarily operated CW so not sure if this is a recent occurrence.  Any other suggestions would be appreciated.

Many thanks, all, and have a wonderful weekend.



Kindest regards,

Joe
W1GO


From k2av.guy at gmail.com  Sat May  6 13:07:01 2017
From: k2av.guy at gmail.com (Guy Olinger K2AV)
Date: Sat, 06 May 2017 17:07:01 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA runaway issue
In-Reply-To: <624F98C7-308C-400A-9822-264D3BA45D37@icloud.com>
References: <624F98C7-308C-400A-9822-264D3BA45D37@icloud.com>
Message-ID: <CANckpc1j8AvCf7spWarLgWy34nrpo07YEaHvt=6ZGb2xdjjyCg@mail.gmail.com>

Run the 5 and 50 watt TX power calibration on the K3.  It's in the K3
utility program.

73, Guy K2AV

On Sat, May 6, 2017 at 12:51 PM W1GO (Joe) <w1go at icloud.com> wrote:

>
> Elecraft faithful,
>
> Any guidance with trouble shooting a KPA500 / K3 issue would be helpful.
>
> Problem: KPA500, primarily in SSB, ?redlines? (600W+ LED) after a few
> seconds of transmission / speech.  This seems to be independent of band.
> With the KPA in standby, the K3 output power holds rock steady as indicated
> in the KPA.
>
> Conditions:
> -  Only about 20W of drive in SSB can result in the ?redlining?  ? To
> eliminate the redlining, I have to turn drive down to about 18W. ? about
> 20W in CW provides about 500W fairly solid.
> -  The K3 is powered by a 70A supply that does not sag much upon K3
> keydown (14V to ~13.7V indicated on K3)
> -  KPA is powered off 240 ? I tried two different KPA transformer taps as
> I noticed with yellow tap the supply voltage right about 60V and
> occasionally a little below on key down.  Supply voltage stays well above
> 60V with red tap but same ?redlining? of the KPA.
> -  Have tried various mic gain compression settings using dynamic mikes.
> Without amp in-line I do fine with gain 30, compression 20 (10db).  I?ve
> gone as low as gain 15 / compression 15 (~5db) with no impact.
> - I?ve tried various TXG VCE rating from -1.5 to 1.5 ? no impact.
> -  ALC on ? ext ALC off ?. varied these to see if there would be an
> impact.  None.
> -  SWR (to different antennas) is <1.7 w/o KAT500 and <1.3 w/ KAT500
>
>
> What I?ve tried / done:
> -  Gain / compression changes as above
> -  Checked K3 supply voltage and no significant voltage drop on key down
> -  Changed power supply to a 35A powering K3 with no change
> -  Varied KPA transformer taps to ensure supply above 60V
> -  Changed coax between K3 and KPA and KPA and KAT500
> -  Tried with two different antennas / coax runs and had same result
> -  Varied TXG VCE from -1.5 to 1.5
> -  Performed gain calibration on K3
>
>
>
> I?ve had the KPA for about 9 months but primarily operated CW so not sure
> if this is a recent occurrence.  Any other suggestions would be appreciated.
>
> Many thanks, all, and have a wonderful weekend.
>
>
>
> Kindest regards,
>
> Joe
> W1GO
>
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From w1go at icloud.com  Sat May  6 13:09:23 2017
From: w1go at icloud.com (W1GO (Joe))
Date: Sat, 06 May 2017 13:09:23 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA runaway issue
In-Reply-To: <CANckpc1j8AvCf7spWarLgWy34nrpo07YEaHvt=6ZGb2xdjjyCg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <624F98C7-308C-400A-9822-264D3BA45D37@icloud.com>
	<CANckpc1j8AvCf7spWarLgWy34nrpo07YEaHvt=6ZGb2xdjjyCg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <FE7806E0-EF9C-449F-9331-D6B53BBA75B8@icloud.com>

Guy,

Yes.  I did that.  I meant to say TX calibration below ? I said gain calibration.

Thanks.

Joe

> On May 6, 2017, at 1:07 PM, Guy Olinger K2AV <k2av.guy at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Run the 5 and 50 watt TX power calibration on the K3.  It's in the K3 utility program. 
> 
> 73, Guy K2AV 
> 
> On Sat, May 6, 2017 at 12:51 PM W1GO (Joe) <w1go at icloud.com <mailto:w1go at icloud.com>> wrote:
> 
> Elecraft faithful,
> 
> Any guidance with trouble shooting a KPA500 / K3 issue would be helpful.
> 
> Problem: KPA500, primarily in SSB, ?redlines? (600W+ LED) after a few seconds of transmission / speech.  This seems to be independent of band.  With the KPA in standby, the K3 output power holds rock steady as indicated in the KPA.
> 
> Conditions:
> -  Only about 20W of drive in SSB can result in the ?redlining?  ? To eliminate the redlining, I have to turn drive down to about 18W. ? about 20W in CW provides about 500W fairly solid.
> -  The K3 is powered by a 70A supply that does not sag much upon K3 keydown (14V to ~13.7V indicated on K3)
> -  KPA is powered off 240 ? I tried two different KPA transformer taps as I noticed with yellow tap the supply voltage right about 60V and occasionally a little below on key down.  Supply voltage stays well above 60V with red tap but same ?redlining? of the KPA.
> -  Have tried various mic gain compression settings using dynamic mikes.  Without amp in-line I do fine with gain 30, compression 20 (10db).  I?ve gone as low as gain 15 / compression 15 (~5db) with no impact.
> - I?ve tried various TXG VCE rating from -1.5 to 1.5 ? no impact.
> -  ALC on ? ext ALC off ?. varied these to see if there would be an impact.  None.
> -  SWR (to different antennas) is <1.7 w/o KAT500 and <1.3 w/ KAT500
> 
> 
> What I?ve tried / done:
> -  Gain / compression changes as above
> -  Checked K3 supply voltage and no significant voltage drop on key down
> -  Changed power supply to a 35A powering K3 with no change
> -  Varied KPA transformer taps to ensure supply above 60V
> -  Changed coax between K3 and KPA and KPA and KAT500
> -  Tried with two different antennas / coax runs and had same result
> -  Varied TXG VCE from -1.5 to 1.5
> -  Performed gain calibration on K3 (TX calibration) 
> 
> 
> 
> I?ve had the KPA for about 9 months but primarily operated CW so not sure if this is a recent occurrence.  Any other suggestions would be appreciated.
> 
> Many thanks, all, and have a wonderful weekend.
> 
> 
> 
> Kindest regards,
> 
> Joe
> W1GO
> 
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From K2TK at att.net  Sat May  6 13:15:46 2017
From: K2TK at att.net (Bob)
Date: Sat, 6 May 2017 13:15:46 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3/K3s Macro Book
In-Reply-To: <1494074081083-7630367.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <CAGC7P24CWei3WwOCz9iRn5tWFTr6wUH2aAkf-eDyL26c=jFUPQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<1494074081083-7630367.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <35f02bb9-6fb5-5f33-fab1-0df7599714b3@att.net>

Lulu has it and his other books, here;

http://www.lulu.com/shop/fred-cady-ke7x/elecraft-macro-programming/paperback/product-23145738.html

If you hunt around and delay sometimes LULU runs coupons for discounts or free 
shipping.

73,
Bob
K2TK  ex KN2TKR (1956) & K2TKR

On 5/6/2017 8:34 AM, ke9uw wrote:
> Macro book? Where is it available?
>
>
>
> -----
> Chuck, KE9UW
> --
> View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-K3s-Macro-Book-tp7630321p7630367.html
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From k2vco.vic at gmail.com  Sat May  6 13:37:44 2017
From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Vic Rosenthal)
Date: Sat, 6 May 2017 20:37:44 +0300
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA runaway issue
In-Reply-To: <624F98C7-308C-400A-9822-264D3BA45D37@icloud.com>
References: <624F98C7-308C-400A-9822-264D3BA45D37@icloud.com>
Message-ID: <5A51654D-9E36-45C6-9D5D-55BB451FC7C7@gmail.com>

Just a guess, but if it happens in SSB but not CW, look for RF feedback into audio circuitry.

Vic 4X6GP 

> On 6 May 2017, at 19:49, W1GO (Joe) <w1go at icloud.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> Elecraft faithful,
> 
> Any guidance with trouble shooting a KPA500 / K3 issue would be helpful.
> 
> Problem: KPA500, primarily in SSB, ?redlines? (600W+ LED) after a few seconds of transmission / speech.  This seems to be independent of band.  With the KPA in standby, the K3 output power holds rock steady as indicated in the KPA.
> 
> Conditions:
> -  Only about 20W of drive in SSB can result in the ?redlining?  ? To eliminate the redlining, I have to turn drive down to about 18W. ? about 20W in CW provides about 500W fairly solid.
> -  The K3 is powered by a 70A supply that does not sag much upon K3 keydown (14V to ~13.7V indicated on K3)
> -  KPA is powered off 240 ? I tried two different KPA transformer taps as I noticed with yellow tap the supply voltage right about 60V and occasionally a little below on key down.  Supply voltage stays well above 60V with red tap but same ?redlining? of the KPA.
> -  Have tried various mic gain compression settings using dynamic mikes.  Without amp in-line I do fine with gain 30, compression 20 (10db).  I?ve gone as low as gain 15 / compression 15 (~5db) with no impact.
> - I?ve tried various TXG VCE rating from -1.5 to 1.5 ? no impact.
> -  ALC on ? ext ALC off ?. varied these to see if there would be an impact.  None.
> -  SWR (to different antennas) is <1.7 w/o KAT500 and <1.3 w/ KAT500
> 
> 
> What I?ve tried / done:
> -  Gain / compression changes as above
> -  Checked K3 supply voltage and no significant voltage drop on key down
> -  Changed power supply to a 35A powering K3 with no change 
> -  Varied KPA transformer taps to ensure supply above 60V
> -  Changed coax between K3 and KPA and KPA and KAT500
> -  Tried with two different antennas / coax runs and had same result
> -  Varied TXG VCE from -1.5 to 1.5
> -  Performed gain calibration on K3
> 
> 
> 
> I?ve had the KPA for about 9 months but primarily operated CW so not sure if this is a recent occurrence.  Any other suggestions would be appreciated.
> 
> Many thanks, all, and have a wonderful weekend.
> 
> 
> 
> Kindest regards,
> 
> Joe
> W1GO
> 

From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Sat May  6 13:42:45 2017
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sat, 6 May 2017 13:42:45 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KX1 LOST TX NEED HELP PLEASE
In-Reply-To: <HE1PR06MB1225C3ACE776FA755331DAD8ABE80@HE1PR06MB1225.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
References: <HE1PR06MB1225C3ACE776FA755331DAD8ABE80@HE1PR06MB1225.eurprd06.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <e1d7ab25-2e60-0369-b104-ab1be7bdb85f@embarqmail.com>

Mike,

Q6 Emitter should be grounded and should have no RF voltage on it.
If you have the collector and emitter swapped (collector is the center 
lead) even then, that is not enough RF voltage on either the collector 
or the base.

Start at the source of Q1 where you should have about 160mV rms or more.
The collector of Q4 and the base of Q5 should have about 800mV rms.
The collector of Q5 (T1 lead 1) should have about 5 volts rms.
The base of Q6 should have about 3.2 volts rms.
The collector if Q6 should have about 20 volts RMS.

Make sure the DC voltages are reasonable first (see the schematic).
Do NOT transmit without a heatsink on Q6 (insulate the tab with the 
thermal pad.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 5/6/2017 11:43 AM, michael warrington wrote:
> KX1 STILL NO TX! Help Please.
> Still can't work out where my TX fault is, I have a tiny amount of RF at the antenna out.
> 
> A Few measurements made using an RF probe and dc voltmeter
> At T1      Pin1  5 volts
>                  Pin2  0 volts
>                  Pin3 0 volts
>                  Pin4 1.9 volts
> 
> Q6          Base 1.9 volts
>                  Collector 0 volts
>                  Emitter 1.8 volts
> DC voltages seem about right, tried lots of stuff remove rewind T1 replaced q4 q5 q6.
> Anyone who can help guide me where to look with the RF probe to narrow the problem down a bit,
> I don't seem to have enough knowledge to move forward.

From otterson_nospam at nhrc.net  Sat May  6 13:49:13 2017
From: otterson_nospam at nhrc.net (Jeffrey Otterson)
Date: Sat, 6 May 2017 13:49:13 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Digest, Vol 157, Issue 9
In-Reply-To: <mailman.37027.1494083391.7384.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
References: <mailman.37027.1494083391.7384.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID: <CA+G8gA=DDBRVUhA=T2w3WOg0Tpy+ohAkfGwjbnTUdkg5BEGz-g@mail.gmail.com>

"I know that Elecraft does not want people bashing other companies products and
I in no way want to bash them. "

So why did you write this on the list?  Your email is nothing other than a
bashing of that vendor.

If you want to review a product, there are sites for that, e.g. eham.net,
etc.

I recommend taking a few deep breaths, counting to 20, or waiting until the
next morning before sending this type of email. It reflects more poorly on
you than on the vendor, never mind that is is completely off-topic.

Jeff n1kdo





>  From: KC6CNN <kc6cnn at gmail.com>
>  To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>  Sent: Friday, May 5, 2017 9:06 PM
>  Subject: [Elecraft] not bashing a product just a warning to future
> purchasers.
> I know that Elecraft does not want people bashing other companies products
> and I in no way want to bash them. I do however want to warn other kit
> builder and kit lovers to please use caution when ordering any kit from
> QRP-LABS. First it ships from Japan, second the products are so poorly made
> that the part leads bend when holding the part up by the end of the lead.
> The design was difficult and instructions are very crude.
> They are Cheap in price lol but also cheap in quality .
> Thanks hope this helps someone save their money.
> Gerald KC6CNN

From pincon at erols.com  Sat May  6 14:00:22 2017
From: pincon at erols.com (Charlie T, K3ICH)
Date: Sat, 6 May 2017 14:00:22 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3/K3s Macro Book
In-Reply-To: <CAGC7P25FPaUX1HVL_=kjB0HEpYCn7AxwKDWJrGHzdj-w-RuN8g@mail.gmail.com>
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	<CAGC7P25FPaUX1HVL_=kjB0HEpYCn7AxwKDWJrGHzdj-w-RuN8g@mail.gmail.com>
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Yeah, but the Ohio sales tax will probably be higher than shipping
costs.....
Chas

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Irwin
Darack
Sent: Saturday, May 06, 2017 11:53 AM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net; ke9uw <c-hawley at illinois.edu>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3/K3s Macro Book

I am hoping they have some forsale at Dayton so I do not have to pay
shipping.

Irwin , KD3TB

On Sat, May 6, 2017 at 8:36 AM ke9uw <c-hawley at illinois.edu> wrote:

> Macro book? Where is it available?
>
>
>
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From w1go at icloud.com  Sat May  6 15:01:13 2017
From: w1go at icloud.com (W1GO (Joe))
Date: Sat, 06 May 2017 15:01:13 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA runaway issue
In-Reply-To: <624F98C7-308C-400A-9822-264D3BA45D37@icloud.com>
References: <624F98C7-308C-400A-9822-264D3BA45D37@icloud.com>
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All,

One additional factoid of interest ? when in ESSB mode, the runaway issue doesn?t occur; only in standard bandwidth mode.  I?ve used standard bandwidth recently with out the KPA500 on and I?ve had no power out issues of poor audio reports.  Hence, it seems that somewhere after the K3 there are oscillations resulting (or at least only noticeable) from the narrower bandwidth signal.  Interesting.

Take care, all.  If and when i figure it out I?ll share.  BTW, I did switch miss from a boom with foot pedal to a short cable desk mic just to rule that out.

Joe

> On May 6, 2017, at 12:49 PM, W1GO (Joe) <w1go at icloud.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> Elecraft faithful,
> 
> Any guidance with trouble shooting a KPA500 / K3 issue would be helpful.
> 
> Problem: KPA500, primarily in SSB, ?redlines? (600W+ LED) after a few seconds of transmission / speech.  This seems to be independent of band.  With the KPA in standby, the K3 output power holds rock steady as indicated in the KPA.
> 
> Conditions:
> -  Only about 20W of drive in SSB can result in the ?redlining?  ? To eliminate the redlining, I have to turn drive down to about 18W. ? about 20W in CW provides about 500W fairly solid.
> -  The K3 is powered by a 70A supply that does not sag much upon K3 keydown (14V to ~13.7V indicated on K3)
> -  KPA is powered off 240 ? I tried two different KPA transformer taps as I noticed with yellow tap the supply voltage right about 60V and occasionally a little below on key down.  Supply voltage stays well above 60V with red tap but same ?redlining? of the KPA.
> -  Have tried various mic gain compression settings using dynamic mikes.  Without amp in-line I do fine with gain 30, compression 20 (10db).  I?ve gone as low as gain 15 / compression 15 (~5db) with no impact.
> - I?ve tried various TXG VCE rating from -1.5 to 1.5 ? no impact.
> -  ALC on ? ext ALC off ?. varied these to see if there would be an impact.  None.
> -  SWR (to different antennas) is <1.7 w/o KAT500 and <1.3 w/ KAT500
> 
> 
> What I?ve tried / done:
> -  Gain / compression changes as above
> -  Checked K3 supply voltage and no significant voltage drop on key down
> -  Changed power supply to a 35A powering K3 with no change 
> -  Varied KPA transformer taps to ensure supply above 60V
> -  Changed coax between K3 and KPA and KPA and KAT500
> -  Tried with two different antennas / coax runs and had same result
> -  Varied TXG VCE from -1.5 to 1.5
> -  Performed gain calibration on K3
> 
> 
> 
> I?ve had the KPA for about 9 months but primarily operated CW so not sure if this is a recent occurrence.  Any other suggestions would be appreciated.
> 
> Many thanks, all, and have a wonderful weekend.
> 
> 
> 
> Kindest regards,
> 
> Joe
> W1GO
> 
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From c-hawley at illinois.edu  Sat May  6 15:08:26 2017
From: c-hawley at illinois.edu (hawley, charles j jr)
Date: Sat, 6 May 2017 19:08:26 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] K3/K3s Macro Book
In-Reply-To: <35f02bb9-6fb5-5f33-fab1-0df7599714b3@att.net>
References: <CAGC7P24CWei3WwOCz9iRn5tWFTr6wUH2aAkf-eDyL26c=jFUPQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<1494074081083-7630367.post@n2.nabble.com>,
	<35f02bb9-6fb5-5f33-fab1-0df7599714b3@att.net>
Message-ID: <5B9E7B78-844D-4625-920C-430173CB59F8@illinois.edu>

They have a 15 off right now...I may pull the trigger.

Chuck Hawley 
602 McGee Rd
Urbana, IL
61802

Sent from my iPhone, cjack 

> On May 6, 2017, at 12:15 PM, Bob <K2TK at att.net> wrote:
> 
> Lulu has it and his other books, here;
> 
> http://www.lulu.com/shop/fred-cady-ke7x/elecraft-macro-programming/paperback/product-23145738.html
> 
> If you hunt around and delay sometimes LULU runs coupons for discounts or free shipping.
> 
> 73,
> Bob
> K2TK  ex KN2TKR (1956) & K2TKR
> 
>> On 5/6/2017 8:34 AM, ke9uw wrote:
>> Macro book? Where is it available?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -----
>> Chuck, KE9UW
>> --
>> View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-K3s-Macro-Book-tp7630321p7630367.html
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From k7jltextra at gmail.com  Sat May  6 15:13:09 2017
From: k7jltextra at gmail.com (John Hendricks)
Date: Sat, 6 May 2017 12:13:09 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Defining the P3 IF Frequency
In-Reply-To: <DM5PR15MB1435384470FBA7886DE3D97C91E80@DM5PR15MB1435.namprd15.prod.outlook.com>
References: <DM5PR15MB1435384470FBA7886DE3D97C91E80@DM5PR15MB1435.namprd15.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CAGUxkM6zAW8911pVN7bihd6NzjdAkGkQ4mZQeGGWQ12mz0=+iA@mail.gmail.com>

I have a K3 and a Icom VHF/UHF radio with a IF tap/amplifier (10.5 MHz)
that I occasionally have connected to the P3 which works great, but I find
it a pain to set and reset the cables RS232, IF input and IF frequency
settings as I move back and forth. It would be much easier to just tap one
of the function buttons on the P3.  I didn't think much about this until I
noticed a posting where the second receiver in a K3 was being connected to
a P3.

John K7JLT

On May 6, 2017 8:30 AM, "Doug Hensley" <w5jv at hotmail.com> wrote:

> John, do you have any experience using the P3 with the K2 and do you know
> how to enter a new IF frequency into the P3 that it does not already know
> about ?
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> Doug W5JV
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Fri, 5 May 2017 19:47:30 -0700
> From: John Hendricks <k7jltextra at gmail.com>
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [Elecraft] Wish List P3
> Message-ID:
>         <CAGUxkM6m+e79N7gsovbOFzHzWiccHh1Vti+
> ZrY1mhZ7yULi4tw at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>
> I would like to see two switchable IF inputs on the P3 with different
> profiles so I could easily select different radios.
>
> John K7JLT
>
> John K7JLT
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
>

From dave at nk7z.net  Sat May  6 15:36:22 2017
From: dave at nk7z.net (Dave Cole)
Date: Sat, 6 May 2017 12:36:22 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3/K3s Macro Book
In-Reply-To: <5B9E7B78-844D-4625-920C-430173CB59F8@illinois.edu>
References: <CAGC7P24CWei3WwOCz9iRn5tWFTr6wUH2aAkf-eDyL26c=jFUPQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<1494074081083-7630367.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<35f02bb9-6fb5-5f33-fab1-0df7599714b3@att.net>
	<5B9E7B78-844D-4625-920C-430173CB59F8@illinois.edu>
Message-ID: <8d42ced5-7eea-f081-afbe-03d513fe75ce@nk7z.net>

You will like the book, it is filled with interesting and useful tidbits 
of information regarding macro creation.

The Macro Example chapter starts on page 84, and runs through 141, 
covering K3, KPod, KX3, and P3 macros...  That's 57 pages of examples!

It is well written, and covers macro creation, macro hints, and in 
general everything you need to know to write macros, with tone of 
examples...

73s and thanks,
Dave
NK7Z
http://www.nk7z.net

On 05/06/2017 12:08 PM, hawley, charles j jr wrote:
> They have a 15 off right now...I may pull the trigger.
>
> Chuck Hawley
> 602 McGee Rd
> Urbana, IL
> 61802
>
> Sent from my iPhone, cjack
>
>> On May 6, 2017, at 12:15 PM, Bob <K2TK at att.net> wrote:
>>
>> Lulu has it and his other books, here;
>>
>> http://www.lulu.com/shop/fred-cady-ke7x/elecraft-macro-programming/paperback/product-23145738.html
>>
>> If you hunt around and delay sometimes LULU runs coupons for discounts or free shipping.
>>
>> 73,
>> Bob
>> K2TK  ex KN2TKR (1956) & K2TKR
>>
>>> On 5/6/2017 8:34 AM, ke9uw wrote:
>>> Macro book? Where is it available?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----
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>>> --
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From nr4c at widomaker.com  Sat May  6 19:46:19 2017
From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c)
Date: Sat, 6 May 2017 19:46:19 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA runaway issue
In-Reply-To: <278FF261-3D2B-470D-B8B7-02D7FFB90FEA@icloud.com>
References: <624F98C7-308C-400A-9822-264D3BA45D37@icloud.com>
	<278FF261-3D2B-470D-B8B7-02D7FFB90FEA@icloud.com>
Message-ID: <4A5AF2BD-DE51-441C-B827-C19A35861F8E@widomaker.com>

My KPA500 needs less than 20 watts on all bands.  Are you just driving it too hard?

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill


> On May 6, 2017, at 3:01 PM, W1GO (Joe) <w1go at icloud.com> wrote:
> 
> All,
> 
> One additional factoid of interest ? when in ESSB mode, the runaway issue doesn?t occur; only in standard bandwidth mode.  I?ve used standard bandwidth recently with out the KPA500 on and I?ve had no power out issues of poor audio reports.  Hence, it seems that somewhere after the K3 there are oscillations resulting (or at least only noticeable) from the narrower bandwidth signal.  Interesting.
> 
> Take care, all.  If and when i figure it out I?ll share.  BTW, I did switch miss from a boom with foot pedal to a short cable desk mic just to rule that out.
> 
> Joe
> 
>> On May 6, 2017, at 12:49 PM, W1GO (Joe) <w1go at icloud.com> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Elecraft faithful,
>> 
>> Any guidance with trouble shooting a KPA500 / K3 issue would be helpful.
>> 
>> Problem: KPA500, primarily in SSB, ?redlines? (600W+ LED) after a few seconds of transmission / speech.  This seems to be independent of band.  With the KPA in standby, the K3 output power holds rock steady as indicated in the KPA.
>> 
>> Conditions:
>> -  Only about 20W of drive in SSB can result in the ?redlining?  ? To eliminate the redlining, I have to turn drive down to about 18W. ? about 20W in CW provides about 500W fairly solid.
>> -  The K3 is powered by a 70A supply that does not sag much upon K3 keydown (14V to ~13.7V indicated on K3)
>> -  KPA is powered off 240 ? I tried two different KPA transformer taps as I noticed with yellow tap the supply voltage right about 60V and occasionally a little below on key down.  Supply voltage stays well above 60V with red tap but same ?redlining? of the KPA.
>> -  Have tried various mic gain compression settings using dynamic mikes.  Without amp in-line I do fine with gain 30, compression 20 (10db).  I?ve gone as low as gain 15 / compression 15 (~5db) with no impact.
>> - I?ve tried various TXG VCE rating from -1.5 to 1.5 ? no impact.
>> -  ALC on ? ext ALC off ?. varied these to see if there would be an impact.  None.
>> -  SWR (to different antennas) is <1.7 w/o KAT500 and <1.3 w/ KAT500
>> 
>> 
>> What I?ve tried / done:
>> -  Gain / compression changes as above
>> -  Checked K3 supply voltage and no significant voltage drop on key down
>> -  Changed power supply to a 35A powering K3 with no change 
>> -  Varied KPA transformer taps t


From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Sat May  6 20:14:44 2017
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sat, 6 May 2017 20:14:44 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA runaway issue
In-Reply-To: <624F98C7-308C-400A-9822-264D3BA45D37@icloud.com>
References: <624F98C7-308C-400A-9822-264D3BA45D37@icloud.com>
Message-ID: <9ed12897-34ac-7694-f1c5-ac2f379f0d34@embarqmail.com>

Joe,

That may be "no problem at all".  Unfortunately, you will not know that 
answer unless you can borrow a 'scope that can observe the RF input to 
the KPA500.

Some microphones and combinations of mic gain and compression may cause 
power output of the K3 to exceed the level obtained by a K3 keydown in CW.

Those peaks will cause the KPA500 output to go above the level obtained 
with CW.

Reduce the K3 power setting if you find that effect disconcerting.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 5/6/2017 12:49 PM, W1GO (Joe) wrote:
> 
> Elecraft faithful,
> 
> Any guidance with trouble shooting a KPA500 / K3 issue would be helpful.
> 
> Problem: KPA500, primarily in SSB, ?redlines? (600W+ LED) after a few seconds of transmission / speech.  This seems to be independent of band.  With the KPA in standby, the K3 output power holds rock steady as indicated in the KPA.
> 
> Conditions:
> -  Only about 20W of drive in SSB can result in the ?redlining?  ? To eliminate the redlining, I have to turn drive down to about 18W. ? about 20W in CW provides about 500W fairly solid.
> -  The K3 is powered by a 70A supply that does not sag much upon K3 keydown (14V to ~13.7V indicated on K3)
> -  KPA is powered off 240 ? I tried two different KPA transformer taps as I noticed with yellow tap the supply voltage right about 60V and occasionally a little below on key down.  Supply voltage stays well above 60V with red tap but same ?redlining? of the KPA.
> -  Have tried various mic gain compression settings using dynamic mikes.  Without amp in-line I do fine with gain 30, compression 20 (10db).  I?ve gone as low as gain 15 / compression 15 (~5db) with no impact.

From cautery at montac.com  Sat May  6 20:27:39 2017
From: cautery at montac.com (Clay Autery)
Date: Sat, 6 May 2017 19:27:39 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] VHF+UHF Radio Wish List
In-Reply-To: <1828174325.4287979.1494030215500@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <274D22AF-B371-4A93-836C-F456A1E942EC@mac.com>
	<SC1P152MB091253376F82262384F0E6EE9CEB0@SC1P152MB0912.LAMP152.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
	<1828174325.4287979.1494030215500@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <28262f94-ee12-a774-a8cd-cdcdd391af65@montac.com>

Nice idea....  Once the 15dB limit is removed, you can use the 10 watt
to drive the KPA1500 or (gain limit modded) any amp you choose...

If you found a dead 100W K3 PS, you could use the bracketing, back
panel, et al as needed...  Lot of room if you dump the PS...

______________________
Clay Autery, KY5G
MONTAC Enterprises
(318) 518-1389

On 5/5/2017 7:23 PM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote:
> At one point I considered taking a K3/10 and installing Transverters where the PA deck would go.
>
>
>
>       From: Bill Johnson <k9yeq at live.com>
>  To: Phil Hystad <phystad at mac.com>; Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> 
>  Sent: Friday, May 5, 2017 7:17 PM
>  Subject: Re: [Elecraft] VHF+UHF Radio Wish List
>    
> Phil,
>
> Wayne and Eric are smart dudes, for sure.  I don't know that they are into VHF, UHF to the degree needed to do what you ask.  They do have a team of engineers, also very bright and HAM interested, so the request may eventually take hold.  I would love a K2 or K3 style platform for VHF, UHF based on the Elecraft design features to include features such as full duplex, etc.  I don't know what the market for such equipment might be, but they might wish to respond to our interest?!  I would enjoy such equipment and they could allow space for modules to be added which would include even higher freq stuff for those who wanted it. 
>
> 72 & 73,
> Bill
> K9YEQ, FT?er for K2, KX1, KX3, KXPA100,  KAT500, W2, etc. 
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Phil Hystad
> Sent: Friday, May 5, 2017 12:36 PM
> To: Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: [Elecraft] VHF+UHF Radio Wish List
>
> I was planning to ask a question about the 2-meter option board for K3/K3S but thought to ask this question instead.
>
> Has there ever been interest (by others of this forum) or discussion from Wayne & Eric about a new radio, one specifically dedicated to VHF and UHF with satellite comms (Doppler) and other features.  I am thinking of possibly a three band radio but at least two (2 meter, 70 cm) and optionally 1240-1300 MHz.  All mode of course!  10 to 15 watts output would be all that is necessary (IMO).
>
> There are other radios on the market but they all have one thing in common as far as I know ? they are HF+VHF/UHF such as the Icom 9100 for example.  I am hoping that removing the HF support and the larger amplifier needs would make for a cheaper radio (even from Elecraft).
>
> 73, phil, K7PEH
>    
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From cautery at montac.com  Sat May  6 20:33:26 2017
From: cautery at montac.com (Clay Autery)
Date: Sat, 6 May 2017 19:33:26 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Use for old KSYN3 boards
In-Reply-To: <5xi5joea9bms595t47xtwy5r.1494042129348@email.android.com>
References: <5xi5joea9bms595t47xtwy5r.1494042129348@email.android.com>
Message-ID: <512e9b43-9b9b-2125-2d2d-85f53572500d@montac.com>

Salvage TMP connectors? 

I'd prefer to use new for TMP....  that's why I waited the 6 months to
have a TMP tool custom made for me by T-D, and ordered bags of
connectors....

I will make my own and have perfect TMP cables of the precise length
needed using the best cable available....  lifetime supply.

73,

______________________
Clay Autery, KY5G
MONTAC Enterprises
(318) 518-1389

On 5/5/2017 10:42 PM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote:
> As I recall there is also a shielded toroid on them similar to the sheilded one for the K2.
> Plus tmp connectors that can come in handy.
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: James Wilson <w4rks73 at gmail.com> 
> Date: 2017-05-05  10:59 PM  (GMT-05:00) 
> To: Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> 
> Subject: [Elecraft] Use for old KSYN3 boards 
>
> While there is no market for the old Synth. boards,
> they are full of tiny suface mounted parts. Excellent
> place to practice removing and replacing some
> of them.
>
> You can't hurt it. Try your hand. You may be surprised
> at how easily it can be done. (Even for these
> 89 year old hands and eyes.)   :-)
>
> Jim - W4RKS

From alsopb at comcast.net  Sat May  6 21:01:25 2017
From: alsopb at comcast.net (brian)
Date: Sun, 07 May 2017 01:01:25 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA runaway issue
In-Reply-To: <4A5AF2BD-DE51-441C-B827-C19A35861F8E@widomaker.com>
References: <624F98C7-308C-400A-9822-264D3BA45D37@icloud.com>	<278FF261-3D2B-470D-B8B7-02D7FFB90FEA@icloud.com>
	<4A5AF2BD-DE51-441C-B827-C19A35861F8E@widomaker.com>
Message-ID: <590E71E5.7010008@comcast.net>

Hopefully AGC is not being used at all.
73 de Brian/K3KO

On 5/6/2017 23:46 PM, Nr4c wrote:
> My KPA500 needs less than 20 watts on all bands.  Are you just driving it too hard?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
> ...nr4c. bill
>
>
>> On May 6, 2017, at 3:01 PM, W1GO (Joe) <w1go at icloud.com> wrote:
>>
>> All,
>>
>> One additional factoid of interest ? when in ESSB mode, the runaway issue doesn?t occur; only in standard bandwidth mode.  I?ve used standard bandwidth recently with out the KPA500 on and I?ve had no power out issues of poor audio reports.  Hence, it seems that somewhere after the K3 there are oscillations resulting (or at least only noticeable) from the narrower bandwidth signal.  Interesting.
>>
>> Take care, all.  If and when i figure it out I?ll share.  BTW, I did switch miss from a boom with foot pedal to a short cable desk mic just to rule that out.
>>
>> Joe
>>
>>> On May 6, 2017, at 12:49 PM, W1GO (Joe) <w1go at icloud.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Elecraft faithful,
>>>
>>> Any guidance with trouble shooting a KPA500 / K3 issue would be helpful.
>>>
>>> Problem: KPA500, primarily in SSB, ?redlines? (600W+ LED) after a few seconds of transmission / speech.  This seems to be independent of band.  With the KPA in standby, the K3 output power holds rock steady as indicated in the KPA.
>>>
>>> Conditions:
>>> -  Only about 20W of drive in SSB can result in the ?redlining?  ? To eliminate the redlining, I have to turn drive down to about 18W. ? about 20W in CW provides about 500W fairly solid.
>>> -  The K3 is powered by a 70A supply that does not sag much upon K3 keydown (14V to ~13.7V indicated on K3)
>>> -  KPA is powered off 240 ? I tried two different KPA transformer taps as I noticed with yellow tap the supply voltage right about 60V and occasionally a little below on key down.  Supply voltage stays well above 60V with red tap but same ?redlining? of the KPA.
>>> -  Have tried various mic gain compression settings using dynamic mikes.  Without amp in-line I do fine with gain 30, compression 20 (10db).  I?ve gone as low as gain 15 / compression 15 (~5db) with no impact.
>>> - I?ve tried various TXG VCE rating from -1.5 to 1.5 ? no impact.
>>> -  ALC on ? ext ALC off ?. varied these to see if there would be an impact.  None.
>>> -  SWR (to different antennas) is <1.7 w/o KAT500 and <1.3 w/ KAT500
>>>
>>>
>>> What I?ve tried / done:
>>> -  Gain / compression changes as above
>>> -  Checked K3 supply voltage and no significant voltage drop on key down
>>> -  Changed power supply to a 35A powering K3 with no change
>>> -  Varied KPA transformer taps t
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From nr4c at widomaker.com  Sat May  6 21:52:38 2017
From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c)
Date: Sat, 6 May 2017 21:52:38 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] VHF+UHF Radio Wish List
In-Reply-To: <28262f94-ee12-a774-a8cd-cdcdd391af65@montac.com>
References: <274D22AF-B371-4A93-836C-F456A1E942EC@mac.com>
	<SC1P152MB091253376F82262384F0E6EE9CEB0@SC1P152MB0912.LAMP152.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
	<1828174325.4287979.1494030215500@mail.yahoo.com>
	<28262f94-ee12-a774-a8cd-cdcdd391af65@montac.com>
Message-ID: <8BAAB700-0D3F-4725-B65B-1BE5398D7E87@widomaker.com>

What PS?

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill


> On May 6, 2017, at 8:27 PM, Clay Autery <cautery at montac.com> wrote:
> 
> Nice idea....  Once the 15dB limit is removed, you can use the 10 watt
> to drive the KPA1500 or (gain limit modded) any amp you choose...
> 
> If you found a dead 100W K3 PS, you could use the bracketing, back
> panel, et al as needed...  Lot of room if you dump the PS...
> 
> ______________________
> Clay Autery, KY5G
> MONTAC Enterprises
> (318) 518-1389
> 
>> On 5/5/2017 7:23 PM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote:
>> At one point I considered taking a K3/10 and installing Transverters where the PA deck would go.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>      From: Bill Johnson <k9yeq at live.com>
>> To: Phil Hystad <phystad at mac.com>; Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> 
>> Sent: Friday, May 5, 2017 7:17 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] VHF+UHF Radio Wish List
>> 
>> Phil,
>> 
>> Wayne and Eric are smart dudes, for sure.  I don't know that they are into VHF, UHF to the degree needed to do what you ask.  They do have a team of engineers, also very bright and HAM interested, so the request may eventually take hold.  I would love a K2 or K3 style platform for VHF, UHF based on the Elecraft design features to include features such as full duplex, etc.  I don't know what the market for such equipment might be, but they might wish to respond to our interest?!  I would enjoy such equipment and they could allow space for modules to be added which would include even higher freq stuff for those who wanted it. 
>> 
>> 72 & 73,
>> Bill
>> K9YEQ, FT?er for K2, KX1, KX3, KXPA100,  KAT500, W2, etc. 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Phil Hystad
>> Sent: Friday, May 5, 2017 12:36 PM
>> To: Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
>> Subject: [Elecraft] VHF+UHF Radio Wish List
>> 
>> I was planning to ask a question about the 2-meter option board for K3/K3S but thought to ask this question instead.
>> 
>> Has there ever been interest (by others of this forum) or discussion from Wayne & Eric about a new radio, one specifically dedicated to VHF and UHF with satellite comms (Doppler) and other features.  I am thinking of possibly a three band radio but at least two (2 meter, 70 cm) and optionally 1240-1300 MHz.  All mode of course!  10 to 15 watts output would be all that is necessary (IMO).
>> 
>> There are other radios on the market but they all have one thing in common as


From kevinr at coho.net  Sat May  6 22:04:16 2017
From: kevinr at coho.net (kevinr at coho.net)
Date: Sat, 6 May 2017 19:04:16 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Announcement
Message-ID: <879f1c57-84ed-6238-8690-560fd52d7286@coho.net>

Good evening,

The sun has been active but not overly so.  The SFU hovers around the 
mid to low 70s as it has all winter.  There is a CME due sometime around 
the 10th; maybe that will perk things up a bit.  But you never can 
tell.  Predictions need to be tested.

Please join us tomorrow on:

    14050 kHz at 2200z Sunday (3 PM PDT Sunday)
     7045 kHz at 0000z Monday (5 PM PDT Sunday)

     73,
         Kevin. KD5ONS

-


From cautery at montac.com  Sat May  6 22:07:30 2017
From: cautery at montac.com (Clay Autery)
Date: Sat, 6 May 2017 21:07:30 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] VHF+UHF Radio Wish List
In-Reply-To: <8BAAB700-0D3F-4725-B65B-1BE5398D7E87@widomaker.com>
References: <274D22AF-B371-4A93-836C-F456A1E942EC@mac.com>
	<SC1P152MB091253376F82262384F0E6EE9CEB0@SC1P152MB0912.LAMP152.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
	<1828174325.4287979.1494030215500@mail.yahoo.com>
	<28262f94-ee12-a774-a8cd-cdcdd391af65@montac.com>
	<8BAAB700-0D3F-4725-B65B-1BE5398D7E87@widomaker.com>
Message-ID: <4c1104ca-d22e-c2c1-b623-7e07d10385a6@montac.com>

Sorry...  brain slipped a tooth or two....

Not PS...  K3 100 W amp....  a dead KPA3A...  though I realize finding
one may well be an exercise in futility...

______________________
Clay Autery, KY5G
MONTAC Enterprises
(318) 518-1389

On 5/6/2017 8:52 PM, Nr4c wrote:
> What PS?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
> ...nr4c. bill
>
>
>> On May 6, 2017, at 8:27 PM, Clay Autery <cautery at montac.com> wrote:
>>
>> Nice idea....  Once the 15dB limit is removed, you can use the 10 watt
>> to drive the KPA1500 or (gain limit modded) any amp you choose...
>>
>> If you found a dead 100W K3 PS, you could use the bracketing, back
>> panel, et al as needed...  Lot of room if you dump the PS...
>>
>> ______________________
>> Clay Autery, KY5G
>> MONTAC Enterprises
>> (318) 518-1389

From fcady at montana.edu  Sat May  6 22:33:49 2017
From: fcady at montana.edu (Cady, Fred)
Date: Sun, 7 May 2017 02:33:49 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] KE7X Elecraft Books
Message-ID: <CY4PR02MB31415384B24353A7CACC2B93AFE90@CY4PR02MB3141.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>

Thanks to all who commented on the Macro Programming book.  I thought I'd post a little road map on where the various volumes can be found.

There are two places the Elecraft books can be found.  Elecraft stocks the spiral bound, hard copies of the K3S, KX-Line, the KPA500 and KA500 book, the KX3 Portable book, and the KX2 books.
?The Elecraft KX2 ? Ultra-Portable, Handheld HF Rig?
?The Elecraft KX2 Companion?s Guide ? The KXPA100 and KAT100?
?The Elecraft K3s and P3 ? Getting the Most out from Your High Performance Station?.

"The Portable Elecraft KX3 ? Going for the Summit with the KX3 and KX3-2M/4M"

?The Elecraft KX-Line ? The Complete Station?

?The Elecraft KPA500 and KAT500 ? the K-Line Dream Station, 2nd. Ed.?

These are all listed on the Elecraft order page.


PDF versions of these, and hard copy and PDF versions of the following are available through www.lulu.com<http://www.lulu.com>.

"The Elecraft K3 and P3, 3rd Edition ? Incorporating the KXV3B and KIO3B"
 ?The Elecraft KXPA100, PX3 and 2M/4M Transverters ? Assembling the KX-Line Station?
?The Elecraft P3, SVGA, and TX Monitor?
?Upgrading the Elecraft K3 with K3s Components ? Bridging the Gap?

and

?Elecraft Macro Programming ? K3S, K3, KX3 and P3/SVGA, PX3 and KPod?


Please go to www.ke7x.com<http://www.ke7x.com> for a complete road map and links for ordering.


73,

Fred KE7X


From fcady at montana.edu  Sat May  6 22:58:35 2017
From: fcady at montana.edu (Cady, Fred)
Date: Sun, 7 May 2017 02:58:35 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] KE7X Elecraft books -- more info
Message-ID: <CY4PR02MB31410400495D7FDB651B54ABAFE90@CY4PR02MB3141.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>

Forgot to put this in the previous post.

Elecraft doesn't take stock to conventions but they will have demonstration copies on view.


Also, before ordering anything from Lulu, check if there is a current discount code available.  The best site I've found for these is https://www.retailmenot.com/view/lulu.com


73,

Fred KE7X

From ron at cobi.biz  Sat May  6 23:25:03 2017
From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire)
Date: Sat, 6 May 2017 20:25:03 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] VHF+UHF Radio Wish List
In-Reply-To: <8BAAB700-0D3F-4725-B65B-1BE5398D7E87@widomaker.com>
References: <274D22AF-B371-4A93-836C-F456A1E942EC@mac.com>	<SC1P152MB091253376F82262384F0E6EE9CEB0@SC1P152MB0912.LAMP152.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>	<1828174325.4287979.1494030215500@mail.yahoo.com>	<28262f94-ee12-a774-a8cd-cdcdd391af65@montac.com>
	<8BAAB700-0D3F-4725-B65B-1BE5398D7E87@widomaker.com>
Message-ID: <000301d2c6e1$84ffbee0$8eff3ca0$@biz>

I suspect he meant Power Amplifier (PA) not PS. Such is the danger of acronyms. They can start wars! 

73, Ron AC7AC

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Nr4c
Sent: Saturday, May 6, 2017 6:53 PM
To: Clay Autery
Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] VHF+UHF Radio Wish List

What PS?

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill


> On May 6, 2017, at 8:27 PM, Clay Autery <cautery at montac.com> wrote:
> 
> Nice idea....  Once the 15dB limit is removed, you can use the 10 watt 
> to drive the KPA1500 or (gain limit modded) any amp you choose...
> 
> If you found a dead 100W K3 PS, you could use the bracketing, back 
> panel, et al as needed...  Lot of room if you dump the PS...
> 
> ______________________
> Clay Autery, KY5G
> MONTAC Enterprises
> (318) 518-1389
> 
>> On 5/5/2017 7:23 PM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote:
>> At one point I considered taking a K3/10 and installing Transverters where the PA deck would go.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>      From: Bill Johnson <k9yeq at live.com>
>> To: Phil Hystad <phystad at mac.com>; Elecraft 
>> <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
>> Sent: Friday, May 5, 2017 7:17 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] VHF+UHF Radio Wish List
>> 
>> Phil,
>> 
>> Wayne and Eric are smart dudes, for sure.  I don't know that they are into VHF, UHF to the degree needed to do what you ask.  They do have a team of engineers, also very bright and HAM interested, so the request may eventually take hold.  I would love a K2 or K3 style platform for VHF, UHF based on the Elecraft design features to include features such as full duplex, etc.  I don't know what the market for such equipment might be, but they might wish to respond to our interest?!  I would enjoy such equipment and they could allow space for modules to be added which would include even higher freq stuff for those who wanted it. 
>> 
>> 72 & 73,
>> Bill
>> K9YEQ, FT?er for K2, KX1, KX3, KXPA100,  KAT500, W2, etc. 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of 
>> Phil Hystad
>> Sent: Friday, May 5, 2017 12:36 PM
>> To: Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
>> Subject: [Elecraft] VHF+UHF Radio Wish List
>> 
>> I was planning to ask a question about the 2-meter option board for K3/K3S but thought to ask this question instead.
>> 
>> Has there ever been interest (by others of this forum) or discussion from Wayne & Eric about a new radio, one specifically dedicated to VHF and UHF with satellite comms (Doppler) and other features.  I am thinking of possibly a three band radio but at least two (2 meter, 70 cm) and optionally 1240-1300 MHz.  All mode of course!  10 to 15 watts output would be all that is necessary (IMO).
>> 
>> There are other radios on the market but they all have one thing in 
>> common as

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From cx7tt at 4email.net  Sat May  6 23:42:09 2017
From: cx7tt at 4email.net (cx7tt at 4email.net)
Date: Sun, 07 May 2017 00:42:09 -0300
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA 500 runaway
Message-ID: <1494128529.3003524.968220688.616B0EEF@webmail.messagingengine.com>


Hello All,

I have almost same issue with K3S and KAT500/KPA500.

I only need about 22w max to get 500w on all bands except 40m where
drive must be 25/26w.
First couple of "dits" light up the 700w red LED but never trips the
amp. After that, it operates normally.
At first thought it was amp but discovered it was the K3S. It appears
after a band change but not all the time. First couple of dits show 40w
output, then normal after that.
Traveling now and when next home will see what happens when I use my
K2/100 with the amp.
Yes, have done the 5 and 50 w TX gain cal procedure, twice. 

I also have low voltage of 56v and with tap at max for regular 110v
service. Ele support told me that below 60v should be ok, so I just live
with it. And with the occasional 700 LED lighting up. This has been
going on for over a year and with lot of operating, mostly cw, in
contests, running pile ups etc.
Yes, I do have several of CMC chokes by Balun  Design, My Antenna plus
extra two or three large chokes with 8 turns of RG8X passed thru. YC
would smile! ?RF does not seem to be an issue here.
See QRZ.com HP1XT for description of antenna system.
Not wishing to hijack the thread; will be watching closely to see how
this is resolved.
73 y GL
Tom




From k2vco.vic at gmail.com  Sun May  7 03:24:14 2017
From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP)
Date: Sun, 7 May 2017 10:24:14 +0300
Subject: [Elecraft] Good length for portable antenna
Message-ID: <16b1f95a-8bc6-f107-c050-06532e18a6a7@gmail.com>

I'm taking my K2/10 to a school on Wednesday to do a demonstration. I 
have a 10m fiberglass pole, and my plan is to hook a wire to it and 
either lean it against something or bungee-cord tie it to a bike rack or 
whatever is there. I will deploy a counterpoise wire on the ground.
Given that it is the middle of the day, I will probably try 20 or 17m, 
or maybe 15 if it sounds good.

My question is: what is a good length for the wire that will slope from 
the pole to my K2, and what is a good length for the counterpoise? The 
K2 has the internal tuner of course. The pole doesn't have to be fully 
extended.

I intend to say "imagine that there is an earthquake and we are cut off, 
phones don't work, etc. Watch how quickly I expand this pole and get on 
the air (etc.)"
-- 
73,
Victor, 4X6GP
Rehovot, Israel
Formerly K2VCO
http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/

From hb9brj at gmail.com  Sun May  7 03:46:15 2017
From: hb9brj at gmail.com (hb9brj)
Date: Sun, 7 May 2017 00:46:15 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] Good length for portable antenna
In-Reply-To: <16b1f95a-8bc6-f107-c050-06532e18a6a7@gmail.com>
References: <16b1f95a-8bc6-f107-c050-06532e18a6a7@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1494143175039-7630403.post@n2.nabble.com>

Check the colored table  here <http://udel.edu/~mm/ham/randomWire/>  .

For SOTA activations I'm using a KX3 and a 6m pole. Both antenna and
counterpoise are 12.8m (42ft). Works fine on all bands between 60m and 6m.
Not invented here, but copied from the "Bandspringer Midi" antenna offered
by  SOTAbeams <http://www.sotabeams.co.uk/bandspringerMidi40m30m20m/>  .

73, Markus HB9BRJ



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From wb1edi at hotmail.com  Sun May  7 08:00:35 2017
From: wb1edi at hotmail.com (barry whittemore)
Date: Sun, 7 May 2017 12:00:35 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] kxusb question
Message-ID: <BN6PR19MB1443A1ACC7EA5A645620580983E90@BN6PR19MB1443.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>

I have a KXUSB and was wondering if i can use it with an ICOM 706. I am going to do a trip with the 706 for the June VHF contest and think it is basically the same except that it has a stereo plug and the 706 is mono. is the ring in the KXUSB used? I do not wish to damage either thing.

Thanks

Barry

NF1O

From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Sun May  7 08:19:22 2017
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sun, 7 May 2017 08:19:22 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] kxusb question
In-Reply-To: <BN6PR19MB1443A1ACC7EA5A645620580983E90@BN6PR19MB1443.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>
References: <BN6PR19MB1443A1ACC7EA5A645620580983E90@BN6PR19MB1443.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <8c5e1dbd-8575-08f1-b9f7-15507a57a5e3@embarqmail.com>

Barry,

If the Icom jack is mono, then I think the answer is NO.
The tip of the KUSB is TXD and the ring is RXD.  Both are necessary for 
RS-232 communications.

If I recall, the Icom uses a special interface that is not RS-232 
compatible.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 5/7/2017 8:00 AM, barry whittemore wrote:
> I have a KXUSB and was wondering if i can use it with an ICOM 706. I am going to do a trip with the 706 for the June VHF contest and think it is basically the same except that it has a stereo plug and the 706 is mono. is the ring in the KXUSB used? I do not wish to damage either thing.

From john at kk9a.com  Sun May  7 08:22:09 2017
From: john at kk9a.com (john at kk9a.com)
Date: Sun, 7 May 2017 08:22:09 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft]  KPA 500 runaway
Message-ID: <000001d2c72c$8d4b81b0$a7e28510$@com>

I think I have the same issue with my K3S and KPA500. When changing bands the output is initially slightly higher during the first transmission and it then drops until the next band change. I do not use the KPA500 often and never looked into what the cause is.

John KK9A

From: cx7tt
Sat May 6 23:42:09 EDT 2017

I have almost same issue with K3S and KAT500/KPA500.

I only need about 22w max to get 500w on all bands except 40m where
drive must be 25/26w.
First couple of "dits" light up the 700w red LED but never trips the
amp. After that, it operates normally.
At first thought it was amp but discovered it was the K3S. It appears
after a band change but not all the time. First couple of dits show 40w
output, then normal after that.
Traveling now and when next home will see what happens when I use my
K2/100 with the amp.
Yes, have done the 5 and 50 w TX gain cal procedure, twice. 

I also have low voltage of 56v and with tap at max for regular 110v
service. Ele support told me that below 60v should be ok, so I just live
with it. And with the occasional 700 LED lighting up. This has been
going on for over a year and with lot of operating, mostly cw, in
contests, running pile ups etc.
Yes, I do have several of CMC chokes by Balun  Design, My Antenna plus
extra two or three large chokes with 8 turns of RG8X passed thru. YC
would smile! ?RF does not seem to be an issue here.
See QRZ.com HP1XT for description of antenna system.
Not wishing to hijack the thread; will be watching closely to see how
this is resolved.
73 y GL
Tom


From genebit at bellsouth.net  Sun May  7 10:26:51 2017
From: genebit at bellsouth.net (Dave KW4M)
Date: Sun, 7 May 2017 07:26:51 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] kxusb question
In-Reply-To: <8c5e1dbd-8575-08f1-b9f7-15507a57a5e3@embarqmail.com>
References: <BN6PR19MB1443A1ACC7EA5A645620580983E90@BN6PR19MB1443.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>
	<8c5e1dbd-8575-08f1-b9f7-15507a57a5e3@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <1494167211220-7630407.post@n2.nabble.com>

The Icom interface uses a single line for transmit and receive data (plus
ground.)  It is known as the CI-V interface.  The KXUSB is not directly
compatible, although a simple adapter circuit could be made.

USB CI-V interface cables do exist and can be purchased on eBay or from
Amazon for around $10.  A search for the terms USB CI-V will find them.

I've used one on my ancient 735 and it works well.

73,
Dave
KW4M




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From eric at elecraft.com  Sun May  7 10:36:24 2017
From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft)
Date: Sun, 7 May 2017 07:36:24 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: not bashing a product just a warning to future
	purchase	rs.
In-Reply-To: <20170506.104414.6667.0@webmail02.vgs.untd.com>
References: <20170506.104414.6667.0@webmail02.vgs.untd.com>
Message-ID: <62C59C1B-9B8C-4CA4-8F3E-5F291EB91F7C@elecraft.com>

Thread closed.

While several noted that the original post was outside of list guidelines, it is -never- appropriate to personally criticize another list member for their posting. That is specifically prohibited on our Elecraft email list guidelines.

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From n6kr at elecraft.com  Sun May  7 12:00:53 2017
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Sun, 7 May 2017 09:00:53 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Looking for Oregon/Idaho Eclipse accommodation
Message-ID: <191E20CD-743E-4949-B6B3-EAB2A9D2F2D5@elecraft.com>

Hi all,

My wife, son and I are planning to drive to Oregon or Idaho to view the solar eclipse on August 21st. Hotels in the rarified Zone of Totality are either sold out or price-gouging. We booked one 50 miles outside the path, just in case, but we'd love to find an AirBnB room or other option closer in, if possible. 

Anyone have a hot tip for us?

Tnx
Wayne
N6KR



From hlyingst at yahoo.com  Sun May  7 12:20:37 2017
From: hlyingst at yahoo.com (Harry Yingst)
Date: Sun, 7 May 2017 16:20:37 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] kxusb question
In-Reply-To: <BN6PR19MB1443A1ACC7EA5A645620580983E90@BN6PR19MB1443.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>
References: <BN6PR19MB1443A1ACC7EA5A645620580983E90@BN6PR19MB1443.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <533714795.5154254.1494174037565@mail.yahoo.com>



I worked with the Icom CI-V interface years ago when I was building frequency agile remote bases

The CI-V is TTL  (5 volts),


While I have not put an Elecraft KXUSB on a scppe to look at the signal levels I'm gong to say No.
My logic is that the Elecraft May be able to use TTL, The Elecraft Will use RS-232 Levels

If you look at the Elecraft W2 Manual it shows how to wire an interface that goes directly to the DB-9 Pins
(I'm using the W2 here because it's easy to see what is going on) upon looking at the schematic for the W2
you can see how they are level converting from Serial levels to TTL Levels.

In short Elecraft builds the Level converter into the gear Icom does Not.
Additionally Icom ties the TX&RX lines together.








________________________________
From: barry whittemore <wb1edi at hotmail.com>
To: Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> 
Sent: Sunday, May 7, 2017 8:04 AM
Subject: [Elecraft] kxusb question



I have a KXUSB and was wondering if i can use it with an ICOM 706. I am going to do a trip with the 706 for the June VHF contest and think it is basically the same except that it has a stereo plug and the 706 is mono. is the ring in the KXUSB used? I do not wish to damage either thing.


Thanks


Barry


NF1O

______________________________________________________________

From wb1edi at hotmail.com  Sun May  7 12:32:23 2017
From: wb1edi at hotmail.com (barry whittemore)
Date: Sun, 7 May 2017 16:32:23 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] kxusb question
In-Reply-To: <8c5e1dbd-8575-08f1-b9f7-15507a57a5e3@embarqmail.com>
References: <BN6PR19MB1443A1ACC7EA5A645620580983E90@BN6PR19MB1443.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>,
	<8c5e1dbd-8575-08f1-b9f7-15507a57a5e3@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <BN6PR19MB1443D0E7159CBD65393600D983E90@BN6PR19MB1443.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>

Don, and others, Thanks for the info, I suspected that might be the case.

Thats why I asked.

I appreciate the info,

73

Barry

NF1O



________________________________
From: Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 7, 2017 8:19 AM
To: barry whittemore; Elecraft
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] kxusb question

Barry,

If the Icom jack is mono, then I think the answer is NO.
The tip of the KUSB is TXD and the ring is RXD.  Both are necessary for
RS-232 communications.

If I recall, the Icom uses a special interface that is not RS-232
compatible.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 5/7/2017 8:00 AM, barry whittemore wrote:
> I have a KXUSB and was wondering if i can use it with an ICOM 706. I am going to do a trip with the 706 for the June VHF contest and think it is basically the same except that it has a stereo plug and the 706 is mono. is the ring in the KXUSB used? I do not wish to damage either thing.

From phystad at mac.com  Sun May  7 12:42:36 2017
From: phystad at mac.com (Phil Hystad)
Date: Sun, 07 May 2017 09:42:36 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Looking for Oregon/Idaho Eclipse accommodation
In-Reply-To: <191E20CD-743E-4949-B6B3-EAB2A9D2F2D5@elecraft.com>
References: <191E20CD-743E-4949-B6B3-EAB2A9D2F2D5@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <6F83E011-8F7A-404A-AA78-708035D9BA6E@mac.com>

Have you picked a place in Oregon yet?  It sounds like you prefer the eastern part of Oregon or Idaho but for Oregon as a whole, this map shows you those areas of total eclipse.

http://www.eclipse2017.org/2017/states/OR.htm

And, for Idaho:

http://www.eclipse2017.org/2017/states/ID.htm

A whole lotta ham operators in those areas and especially if you are closer to the Willamette Valley (along I-5 corridoor).

73, phil, K7PEH


> On May 7, 2017, at 9:00 AM, Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> My wife, son and I are planning to drive to Oregon or Idaho to view the solar eclipse on August 21st. Hotels in the rarified Zone of Totality are either sold out or price-gouging. We booked one 50 miles outside the path, just in case, but we'd love to find an AirBnB room or other option closer in, if possible. 
> 
> Anyone have a hot tip for us?
> 
> Tnx
> Wayne
> N6KR
> 
> 
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From nr4c at widomaker.com  Sun May  7 13:55:38 2017
From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c)
Date: Sun, 7 May 2017 13:55:38 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] kxusb question
In-Reply-To: <BN6PR19MB1443A1ACC7EA5A645620580983E90@BN6PR19MB1443.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>
References: <BN6PR19MB1443A1ACC7EA5A645620580983E90@BN6PR19MB1443.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <B5C85908-21F4-4B9E-BF98-D9AA7EE3AB2A@widomaker.com>

I believe you are close. The plug is not the issue. The RX and TX RS232 signals are separated on the KXUSB plug. One on tip, other on ring. 

The ICOM has both signals on the tip. So a short jumper combining the tip and ring signals on the tip of a mono plug should get you going. 

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill


> On May 7, 2017, at 8:00 AM, barry whittemore <wb1edi at hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I have a KXUSB and was wondering if i can use it with an ICOM 706. I am going to do a trip with the 706 for the June VHF contest and think it is basically the same except that it has a stereo plug and the 706 is mono. is the ring in the KXUSB used? I do not wish to damage either thing.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Barry
> 
> NF1O
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From k6mr at outlook.com  Sun May  7 14:32:52 2017
From: k6mr at outlook.com (Ken K6MR)
Date: Sun, 7 May 2017 18:32:52 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] kxusb question
In-Reply-To: <B5C85908-21F4-4B9E-BF98-D9AA7EE3AB2A@widomaker.com>
References: <BN6PR19MB1443A1ACC7EA5A645620580983E90@BN6PR19MB1443.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>,
	<B5C85908-21F4-4B9E-BF98-D9AA7EE3AB2A@widomaker.com>
Message-ID: <CY4PR13MB1254AE8E8388C6C5DD6B54589EE90@CY4PR13MB1254.namprd13.prod.outlook.com>

Uh, No. CI-V is a CSMA-CD type of system, with station addressing.  RS-232 is nothing like it. You can?t just put RxD and TxD on the same wire.  Data format is way different.

Ken K6MR


From: Nr4c<mailto:nr4c at widomaker.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 7, 2017 10:56 AM
To: barry whittemore<mailto:wb1edi at hotmail.com>
Cc: Elecraft<mailto:elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] kxusb question

I believe you are close. The plug is not the issue. The RX and TX RS232 signals are separated on the KXUSB plug. One on tip, other on ring.

The ICOM has both signals on the tip. So a short jumper combining the tip and ring signals on the tip of a mono plug should get you going.

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill


> On May 7, 2017, at 8:00 AM, barry whittemore <wb1edi at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> I have a KXUSB and was wondering if i can use it with an ICOM 706. I am going to do a trip with the 706 for the June VHF contest and think it is basically the same except that it has a stereo plug and the 706 is mono. is the ring in the KXUSB used? I do not wish to damage either thing.
>
> Thanks
>
> Barry
>
> NF1O
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From wes_n7ws at triconet.org  Sun May  7 15:43:57 2017
From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes Stewart)
Date: Sun, 7 May 2017 12:43:57 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Looking for Oregon/Idaho Eclipse accommodation
In-Reply-To: <191E20CD-743E-4949-B6B3-EAB2A9D2F2D5@elecraft.com>
References: <191E20CD-743E-4949-B6B3-EAB2A9D2F2D5@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <dda985c3-a49d-b2e3-3ba6-0ea3f053bee7@triconet.org>

1) Pray it doesn't rain.

2) http://www.cruiseamerica.com/

Wes N7WS

On 5/7/2017 9:00 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> My wife, son and I are planning to drive to Oregon or Idaho to view the solar eclipse on August 21st. Hotels in the rarified Zone of Totality are either sold out or price-gouging. We booked one 50 miles outside the path, just in case, but we'd love to find an AirBnB room or other option closer in, if possible.
>
> Anyone have a hot tip for us?
>
> Tnx
> Wayne
> N6KR
>


From ae5x at juno.com  Sun May  7 10:24:32 2017
From: ae5x at juno.com (John AE5X)
Date: Sun, 7 May 2017 14:24:32 GMT
Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 for sale
Message-ID: <20170507.092432.11293.0@webmail03.vgs.untd.com>

http://ae5x.blogspot.com/2017/05/elecraft-kx2-for-sale-mint-condition.html

John AE5X
http://ae5x.blogspot.com/
 
 

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From nr4c at widomaker.com  Sun May  7 17:50:39 2017
From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c)
Date: Sun, 7 May 2017 17:50:39 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] kxusb question
In-Reply-To: <533714795.5154254.1494174037565@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <BN6PR19MB1443A1ACC7EA5A645620580983E90@BN6PR19MB1443.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>
	<533714795.5154254.1494174037565@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <B7A83B46-8BBF-46BF-9222-426DAD4B891E@widomaker.com>

Well I just put a scope on a KXUSB connector and it measures 5.04 Volts DC. So I really think it will work as long as you combine the Ring and Tip  signals to the Tip of a plug for the ICOM

Also note that the program interface on ICOM Dual Band Mobiles is on the Ring of one of the Speaker jacks. It's also CI-V. At least this worked on my 2720 years ago. 

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill


> On May 7, 2017, at 12:20 PM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> I worked with the Icom CI-V interface years ago when I was building frequency agile remote bases
> 
> The CI-V is TTL  (5 volts),
> 
> 
> While I have not put an Elecraft KXUSB on a scppe to look at the signal levels I'm gong to say No.
> My logic is that the Elecraft May be able to use TTL, The Elecraft Will use RS-232 Levels
> 
> If you look at the Elecraft W2 Manual it shows how to wire an interface that goes directly to the DB-9 Pins
> (I'm using the W2 here because it's easy to see what is going on) upon looking at the schematic for the W2
> you can see how they are level converting from Serial levels to TTL Levels.
> 
> In short Elecraft builds the Level converter into the gear Icom does Not.
> Additionally Icom ties the TX&RX lines together.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ________________________________
> From: barry whittemore <wb1edi at hotmail.com>
> To: Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> 
> Sent: Sunday, May 7, 2017 8:04 AM
> Subject: [Elecraft] kxusb question
> 
> 
> 
> I have a KXUSB and was wondering if i can use it with an ICOM 706. I am going to do a trip with the 706 for the June VHF contest and think it is basically the same except that it has a stereo plug and the 706 is mono. is the ring in the KXUSB used? I do not wish to damage either thing.
> 
> 
> Thanks
> 
> 
> Barry
> 
> 
> NF1O
> 
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From gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk  Sun May  7 18:39:51 2017
From: gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk (David Anderson)
Date: Sun, 7 May 2017 23:39:51 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Looking for Oregon/Idaho Eclipse accommodation
In-Reply-To: <191E20CD-743E-4949-B6B3-EAB2A9D2F2D5@elecraft.com>
References: <191E20CD-743E-4949-B6B3-EAB2A9D2F2D5@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <2A8C61AC-CAAC-486F-9849-C67B600DD03F@yahoo.co.uk>

Wayne

I went from Scotland down to Cornwall for the total eclipse of the sun in 1999, the only chance in my lifetime to see a total eclipse in the U.K., we were fortunate in not having to pay to stay in a hotel, as we travelled down by overnight train from Scotland on a special old train run by the steam preservation society, arriving at Penzance just before dawn, seeing the sun rising before it went behind a band of cloud.

Unfortunately the weather did not oblige and the sun was totally eclipsed by that cloud as well as the moon. :-(  However it was still an impressive sight, getting dark in the middle of the day, with an eerie silence and a chill in the air, the birds went quiet and then started to make a noise again as totality passed and the light started to rush across the sea to us. It was also spectacular to see 100's of flashes from cameras going off all along the headland, presumably people who didn't know how to work their cameras properly.  

Once the total eclipse phase was over and we had packed up our camera and telescope tripods, the clouds parted so we could see a partially eclipsed sun. Oh well, maybe in another lifetime!

One of my fellow workmates who was on that trip was determined to see a total eclipse and has been all over the world to try to catch one, I think it took him about 4 trips before he was lucky enough.

Wayne, wishing you clear skies for your eclipse.


73 from David GM4JJJ

> On 7 May 2017, at 17:00, Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> My wife, son and I are planning to drive to Oregon or Idaho to view the solar eclipse on August 21st. Hotels in the rarified Zone of Totality are either sold out or price-gouging. We booked one 50 miles outside the path, just in case, but we'd love to find an AirBnB room or other option closer in, if possible. 
> 
> Anyone have a hot tip for us?
> 
> Tnx
> Wayne
> N6KR
> 
> 
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From kevinr at coho.net  Sun May  7 19:50:41 2017
From: kevinr at coho.net (kevinr at coho.net)
Date: Sun, 7 May 2017 16:50:41 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Looking for Oregon/Idaho Eclipse accommodation
In-Reply-To: <2A8C61AC-CAAC-486F-9849-C67B600DD03F@yahoo.co.uk>
References: <191E20CD-743E-4949-B6B3-EAB2A9D2F2D5@elecraft.com>
	<2A8C61AC-CAAC-486F-9849-C67B600DD03F@yahoo.co.uk>
Message-ID: <e3c748f6-051d-dab0-d1a1-bae76b39fbe7@coho.net>

Oregon's weather is pretty predictable.  August is in our dry season.  
It is very rarely cloudy let alone is the weather inclement.  There is a 
very high chance of it being clear during the eclipse.

     73 & Clear Skies,

         Kevin.  KD5ONS


On 5/7/2017 3:39 PM, David Anderson via Elecraft wrote:
> Wayne
>
> I went from Scotland down to Cornwall for the total eclipse of the sun in 1999, the only chance in my lifetime to see a total eclipse in the U.K., we were fortunate in not having to pay to stay in a hotel, as we travelled down by overnight train from Scotland on a special old train run by the steam preservation society, arriving at Penzance just before dawn, seeing the sun rising before it went behind a band of cloud.
>
> Unfortunately the weather did not oblige and the sun was totally eclipsed by that cloud as well as the moon. :-(  However it was still an impressive sight, getting dark in the middle of the day, with an eerie silence and a chill in the air, the birds went quiet and then started to make a noise again as totality passed and the light started to rush across the sea to us. It was also spectacular to see 100's of flashes from cameras going off all along the headland, presumably people who didn't know how to work their cameras properly.
>
> Once the total eclipse phase was over and we had packed up our camera and telescope tripods, the clouds parted so we could see a partially eclipsed sun. Oh well, maybe in another lifetime!
>
> One of my fellow workmates who was on that trip was determined to see a total eclipse and has been all over the world to try to catch one, I think it took him about 4 trips before he was lucky enough.
>
> Wayne, wishing you clear skies for your eclipse.
>
>
> 73 from David GM4JJJ
>
>> On 7 May 2017, at 17:00, Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> My wife, son and I are planning to drive to Oregon or Idaho to view the solar eclipse on August 21st. Hotels in the rarified Zone of Totality are either sold out or price-gouging. We booked one 50 miles outside the path, just in case, but we'd love to find an AirBnB room or other option closer in, if possible.
>>
>> Anyone have a hot tip for us?
>>
>> Tnx
>> Wayne
>> N6KR
>>
>>
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From rick at tavan.com  Sun May  7 21:12:26 2017
From: rick at tavan.com (Rick Tavan)
Date: Sun, 7 May 2017 18:12:26 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Looking for Oregon/Idaho Eclipse accommodation
In-Reply-To: <2A8C61AC-CAAC-486F-9849-C67B600DD03F@yahoo.co.uk>
References: <191E20CD-743E-4949-B6B3-EAB2A9D2F2D5@elecraft.com>
	<2A8C61AC-CAAC-486F-9849-C67B600DD03F@yahoo.co.uk>
Message-ID: <CANVONA+MQoE87AjBq1SqHHaJqnGESqOnXeB==iE+BiGS2mZOdg@mail.gmail.com>

It takes perseverance and luck to view a total solar on land. Murphy rules
the weather on those days. My wife and I have been extremely lucky to have
been on four successful eclipse viewing sea cruises. The extra mobility of
a ship helps. For this August, we've booked with an alumni travel group
that has accommodations in Idaho. (Sorry, Wayne, they booked full long ago.)

There are lots of campgrounds, too, but inside the zone they may well be
booked full already. It may be practical to stay far away from totality
where reservations are still available and drive into the zone on the day
of the event. If you've never viewed a total solar, make every effort to
get there. The experience of totality is sublime! Very exciting.

I don't know exactly where we'll be viewing this one. During the brief
period of totality, I'll be preoccupied with photography. During
partiality, however, I hope to exercise my new, not-yet-delivered KX2
(ordered at IDXC Visalia). It would be fun to make a two-way KX2 QSO inside
the zone, eclipse-chaser to eclipse-chaser!

GL & 73,

/Rick N6XI


On Sun, May 7, 2017 at 3:39 PM, David Anderson via Elecraft <
elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:

> Wayne
>
> I went from Scotland down to Cornwall for the total eclipse of the sun in
> 1999, the only chance in my lifetime to see a total eclipse in the U.K., we
> were fortunate in not having to pay to stay in a hotel, as we travelled
> down by overnight train from Scotland on a special old train run by the
> steam preservation society, arriving at Penzance just before dawn, seeing
> the sun rising before it went behind a band of cloud.
>
> Unfortunately the weather did not oblige and the sun was totally eclipsed
> by that cloud as well as the moon. :-(  However it was still an impressive
> sight, getting dark in the middle of the day, with an eerie silence and a
> chill in the air, the birds went quiet and then started to make a noise
> again as totality passed and the light started to rush across the sea to
> us. It was also spectacular to see 100's of flashes from cameras going off
> all along the headland, presumably people who didn't know how to work their
> cameras properly.
>
> Once the total eclipse phase was over and we had packed up our camera and
> telescope tripods, the clouds parted so we could see a partially eclipsed
> sun. Oh well, maybe in another lifetime!
>
> One of my fellow workmates who was on that trip was determined to see a
> total eclipse and has been all over the world to try to catch one, I think
> it took him about 4 trips before he was lucky enough.
>
> Wayne, wishing you clear skies for your eclipse.
>
>
> 73 from David GM4JJJ
>
> > On 7 May 2017, at 17:00, Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > My wife, son and I are planning to drive to Oregon or Idaho to view the
> solar eclipse on August 21st. Hotels in the rarified Zone of Totality are
> either sold out or price-gouging. We booked one 50 miles outside the path,
> just in case, but we'd love to find an AirBnB room or other option closer
> in, if possible.
> >
> > Anyone have a hot tip for us?
> >
> > Tnx
> > Wayne
> > N6KR
> >
> >
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From jay.radcliffe at gmail.com  Sun May  7 21:32:00 2017
From: jay.radcliffe at gmail.com (Jay Radcliffe)
Date: Sun, 7 May 2017 19:32:00 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] Looking for a P3
Message-ID: <CAFhC7g88ezyTrcvAtgJETfjRDiRwBOn4UhFpouZtdp9AMVwr6w@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,

I am looking for a P3 unit to go with my K3.  Let me know if you have
one for sale.

Thanks,

Jay n8os


Jay Radcliffe
Twitter: @jradcliffe02
E-Mail: jay.radcliffe at gmail.com
LinkedIn + Resume: http://www.linkedin.com/in/jradcliffe02

From pvandyke1953 at gmail.com  Sun May  7 21:32:24 2017
From: pvandyke1953 at gmail.com (Paul Van Dyke)
Date: Sun, 7 May 2017 21:32:24 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Looking for Oregon/Idaho Eclipse accommodation
In-Reply-To: <CANVONA+MQoE87AjBq1SqHHaJqnGESqOnXeB==iE+BiGS2mZOdg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <191E20CD-743E-4949-B6B3-EAB2A9D2F2D5@elecraft.com>
	<2A8C61AC-CAAC-486F-9849-C67B600DD03F@yahoo.co.uk>
	<CANVONA+MQoE87AjBq1SqHHaJqnGESqOnXeB==iE+BiGS2mZOdg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAEPKcUkDg3nuV8-Xw8ARLe25UNOF8zUwvJRdNeNUkxYzcPaRWg@mail.gmail.com>

Would the music during the event be considered "Dark Side of the Moon"

On May 7, 2017 9:13 PM, "Rick Tavan" <rick at tavan.com> wrote:

> It takes perseverance and luck to view a total solar on land. Murphy rules
> the weather on those days. My wife and I have been extremely lucky to have
> been on four successful eclipse viewing sea cruises. The extra mobility of
> a ship helps. For this August, we've booked with an alumni travel group
> that has accommodations in Idaho. (Sorry, Wayne, they booked full long
> ago.)
>
> There are lots of campgrounds, too, but inside the zone they may well be
> booked full already. It may be practical to stay far away from totality
> where reservations are still available and drive into the zone on the day
> of the event. If you've never viewed a total solar, make every effort to
> get there. The experience of totality is sublime! Very exciting.
>
> I don't know exactly where we'll be viewing this one. During the brief
> period of totality, I'll be preoccupied with photography. During
> partiality, however, I hope to exercise my new, not-yet-delivered KX2
> (ordered at IDXC Visalia). It would be fun to make a two-way KX2 QSO inside
> the zone, eclipse-chaser to eclipse-chaser!
>
> GL & 73,
>
> /Rick N6XI
>
>
> On Sun, May 7, 2017 at 3:39 PM, David Anderson via Elecraft <
> elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
>
> > Wayne
> >
> > I went from Scotland down to Cornwall for the total eclipse of the sun in
> > 1999, the only chance in my lifetime to see a total eclipse in the U.K.,
> we
> > were fortunate in not having to pay to stay in a hotel, as we travelled
> > down by overnight train from Scotland on a special old train run by the
> > steam preservation society, arriving at Penzance just before dawn, seeing
> > the sun rising before it went behind a band of cloud.
> >
> > Unfortunately the weather did not oblige and the sun was totally eclipsed
> > by that cloud as well as the moon. :-(  However it was still an
> impressive
> > sight, getting dark in the middle of the day, with an eerie silence and a
> > chill in the air, the birds went quiet and then started to make a noise
> > again as totality passed and the light started to rush across the sea to
> > us. It was also spectacular to see 100's of flashes from cameras going
> off
> > all along the headland, presumably people who didn't know how to work
> their
> > cameras properly.
> >
> > Once the total eclipse phase was over and we had packed up our camera and
> > telescope tripods, the clouds parted so we could see a partially eclipsed
> > sun. Oh well, maybe in another lifetime!
> >
> > One of my fellow workmates who was on that trip was determined to see a
> > total eclipse and has been all over the world to try to catch one, I
> think
> > it took him about 4 trips before he was lucky enough.
> >
> > Wayne, wishing you clear skies for your eclipse.
> >
> >
> > 73 from David GM4JJJ
> >
> > > On 7 May 2017, at 17:00, Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > My wife, son and I are planning to drive to Oregon or Idaho to view the
> > solar eclipse on August 21st. Hotels in the rarified Zone of Totality are
> > either sold out or price-gouging. We booked one 50 miles outside the
> path,
> > just in case, but we'd love to find an AirBnB room or other option closer
> > in, if possible.
> > >
> > > Anyone have a hot tip for us?
> > >
> > > Tnx
> > > Wayne
> > > N6KR
> > >
> > >
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>
>
> --
>
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From wes_n7ws at triconet.org  Sun May  7 21:38:38 2017
From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes Stewart)
Date: Sun, 7 May 2017 18:38:38 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA 500 runaway
In-Reply-To: <000001d2c72c$8d4b81b0$a7e28510$@com>
References: <000001d2c72c$8d4b81b0$a7e28510$@com>
Message-ID: <761bb48d-f7c8-0ea6-e4ae-d8a7ac41b246@triconet.org>

Mine typically undershoots after a band change.

OTOH, if I set Config -> Tune Pwr to Nor, activate Tune and adjust the K3S to 
drive the KPA500 to 500W for example, when I hit the key to transmit I get 600W.

Power control in the K3 is, shall we say, different from analog control and not 
without its idiosyncrasies.

Wes  N7WS

On 5/7/2017 5:22 AM, john at kk9a.com wrote:
> I think I have the same issue with my K3S and KPA500. When changing bands the output is initially slightly higher during the first transmission and it then drops until the next band change. I do not use the KPA500 often and never looked into what the cause is.
>
> John KK9A
>


From ron at cobi.biz  Sun May  7 23:01:56 2017
From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire)
Date: Sun, 7 May 2017 20:01:56 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Looking for Oregon/Idaho Eclipse accommodation
In-Reply-To: <e3c748f6-051d-dab0-d1a1-bae76b39fbe7@coho.net>
References: <191E20CD-743E-4949-B6B3-EAB2A9D2F2D5@elecraft.com>	<2A8C61AC-CAAC-486F-9849-C67B600DD03F@yahoo.co.uk>
	<e3c748f6-051d-dab0-d1a1-bae76b39fbe7@coho.net>
Message-ID: <000001d2c7a7$74753570$5d5fa050$@biz>

Here on the Oregon Coast overcast is common, particularly before noon. The
National Weather Service currently predicts we have a 64% chance of overcast
skies on August 21st, at least in the morning hours.

If we get to see any more than a darkening of the sky, we will consider
ourselves lucky. 

73, Ron AC7AC 

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of
kevinr at coho.net
Sent: Sunday, May 7, 2017 4:51 PM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: Looking for Oregon/Idaho Eclipse accommodation

Oregon's weather is pretty predictable.  August is in our dry season.  
It is very rarely cloudy let alone is the weather inclement.  There is a
very high chance of it being clear during the eclipse.

     73 & Clear Skies,

         Kevin.  KD5ONS



From lists at subich.com  Sun May  7 23:05:54 2017
From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV)
Date: Sun, 7 May 2017 23:05:54 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] kxusb question
In-Reply-To: <B7A83B46-8BBF-46BF-9222-426DAD4B891E@widomaker.com>
References: <BN6PR19MB1443A1ACC7EA5A645620580983E90@BN6PR19MB1443.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>
	<533714795.5154254.1494174037565@mail.yahoo.com>
	<B7A83B46-8BBF-46BF-9222-426DAD4B891E@widomaker.com>
Message-ID: <bf02a716-1b20-10c8-06d8-4136c0cc4c4c@subich.com>


On 5/7/2017 5:50 PM, Nr4c wrote:
> Well I just put a scope on a KXUSB connector and it measures 5.04
 > Volts DC.

It may measure +5.04V "at rest" but when data is flowing it will be
+/- 5.04 volts as RS-232 is a bi-polar signal.

*DO NOT* connect the KXUSB to an Icom transceiver as the Icom CI-V
signal is TTL compatible (+5V/0V).  The negative signal (-5V) will
damage the Icom CI-V port.

73,

    ... Joe, W4TV


On 5/7/2017 5:50 PM, Nr4c wrote:
> Well I just put a scope on a KXUSB connector and it measures 5.04 Volts DC. So I really think it will work as long as you combine the Ring and Tip  signals to the Tip of a plug for the ICOM
>
> Also note that the program interface on ICOM Dual Band Mobiles is on the Ring of one of the Speaker jacks. It's also CI-V. At least this worked on my 2720 years ago.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
> ...nr4c. bill
>
>
>> On May 7, 2017, at 12:20 PM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> I worked with the Icom CI-V interface years ago when I was building frequency agile remote bases
>>
>> The CI-V is TTL  (5 volts),
>>
>>
>> While I have not put an Elecraft KXUSB on a scppe to look at the signal levels I'm gong to say No.
>> My logic is that the Elecraft May be able to use TTL, The Elecraft Will use RS-232 Levels
>>
>> If you look at the Elecraft W2 Manual it shows how to wire an interface that goes directly to the DB-9 Pins
>> (I'm using the W2 here because it's easy to see what is going on) upon looking at the schematic for the W2
>> you can see how they are level converting from Serial levels to TTL Levels.
>>
>> In short Elecraft builds the Level converter into the gear Icom does Not.
>> Additionally Icom ties the TX&RX lines together.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: barry whittemore <wb1edi at hotmail.com>
>> To: Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
>> Sent: Sunday, May 7, 2017 8:04 AM
>> Subject: [Elecraft] kxusb question
>>
>>
>>
>> I have a KXUSB and was wondering if i can use it with an ICOM 706. I am going to do a trip with the 706 for the June VHF contest and think it is basically the same except that it has a stereo plug and the 706 is mono. is the ring in the KXUSB used? I do not wish to damage either thing.
>>
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>>
>> Barry
>>
>>
>> NF1O
>>
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From kevinr at coho.net  Sun May  7 23:48:08 2017
From: kevinr at coho.net (kevinr at coho.net)
Date: Sun, 7 May 2017 20:48:08 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Looking for Oregon/Idaho Eclipse accommodation
In-Reply-To: <000001d2c7a7$74753570$5d5fa050$@biz>
References: <191E20CD-743E-4949-B6B3-EAB2A9D2F2D5@elecraft.com>
	<2A8C61AC-CAAC-486F-9849-C67B600DD03F@yahoo.co.uk>
	<e3c748f6-051d-dab0-d1a1-bae76b39fbe7@coho.net>
	<000001d2c7a7$74753570$5d5fa050$@biz>
Message-ID: <771330e9-daaf-0e9b-cbc3-98bb73407276@coho.net>

Most of Oregon is not along its coast.

     Kevin.  KD5ONS


On 5/7/2017 8:01 PM, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote:
> Here on the Oregon Coast overcast is common, particularly before noon. The
> National Weather Service currently predicts we have a 64% chance of overcast
> skies on August 21st, at least in the morning hours.
>
> If we get to see any more than a darkening of the sky, we will consider
> ourselves lucky.
>
> 73, Ron AC7AC
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of
> kevinr at coho.net
> Sent: Sunday, May 7, 2017 4:51 PM
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: Looking for Oregon/Idaho Eclipse accommodation
>
> Oregon's weather is pretty predictable.  August is in our dry season.
> It is very rarely cloudy let alone is the weather inclement.  There is a
> very high chance of it being clear during the eclipse.
>
>       73 & Clear Skies,
>
>           Kevin.  KD5ONS
>
>
>


From mzilmer at roadrunner.com  Mon May  8 00:12:09 2017
From: mzilmer at roadrunner.com (Matt Zilmer)
Date: Sun, 7 May 2017 21:12:09 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Looking for Oregon/Idaho Eclipse accommodation
In-Reply-To: <191E20CD-743E-4949-B6B3-EAB2A9D2F2D5@elecraft.com>
References: <191E20CD-743E-4949-B6B3-EAB2A9D2F2D5@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <96e16beb-5ffa-fe15-e093-b7973b124af4@roadrunner.com>

I would recommend some QTH between Wenatchee and Spokane, WA.  Most of 
that area is high country,and not subject to coastal climates.  ID is 
just acouple hours' drive away, in case you decide to visit.  Trouble 
is, I don't know if Wenatchee is east enough for the eclipse path.  I'm 
pretty certain that Spokane is, and it's a lot closer to the ID border 
than Wenatchee. There are a number of inland highways from the I5 to 
high country.  We chose US2, a nice and fairly scenic driveover the 
Cascade Range.  If you choose Spokane, youshould find a place inthe 
exurbs, not right in town.  I have Real Experience with this....

Steph and I stayed overnight in Wenatchee in 2011.  Nice folks there. 
One REALLY good Italian restaurant, out on the main drag.  But it's just 
a small town.  The Wenatchee National Forest is huge and borders on a 
couple of other large parks.  Good for three or four days if you're in a 
big hurry.

Enjoythe momentary eclipse. It can be a little eerie.  We had one here 
in Socal in the early 90s.  Prep by building or buying a solar 
telescope.  You know the drill by now.

On your way back, you can treat your XYL and harmonics to apple country, 
out around Richland.  Most of the southern back country in WA is 
unbelievably gorgeous.

73,

matt W6NIA


On 5/7/2017 9:00 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> My wife, son and I are planning to drive to Oregon or Idaho to view the solar eclipse on August 21st. Hotels in the rarified Zone of Totality are either sold out or price-gouging. We booked one 50 miles outside the path, just in case, but we'd love to find an AirBnB room or other option closer in, if possible.
>
> Anyone have a hot tip for us?
>
> Tnx
> Wayne
> N6KR
>
>
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Matt Zilmer, W6NIA
[Shiraz]


From n7cqr at arrl.net  Mon May  8 00:21:45 2017
From: n7cqr at arrl.net (Dan Presley)
Date: Sun, 7 May 2017 21:21:45 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 and W4OP loop
Message-ID: <FBBFC768-2E0A-40DE-85F5-1A8F0D9F3A2F@arrl.net>

Hi guys-just wanted to report that I had a fun weekend using the KX2 and my new W4OP loop outdoors. First was Saturday on the 7QP party, and managed some contacts all around the country on 20 M before I got frozen out..today was warmer and I did a SOTA activation (W70/WV-138 Skyline Ridge) and knocked off 12 quick Q?s on 20 and 40. Particularly on 20 I snagged stations midwest and southeast with really strong signals. Don?t let anyone tell you the bands are dead-just have some patience. All 5W and I had the loop on a camera tripod up about 6 feet.  They take patience to tune but I was down around 1:5/1.I  will say that little speaker in the KX2 does a fine job outdoors-there was a group of us,otherwise I?d use phones.To me this is what it?s all about?!
Dan Presley  N7CQR
n7cqr at arrl.net



From kevinr at coho.net  Mon May  8 00:33:39 2017
From: kevinr at coho.net (kevinr at coho.net)
Date: Sun, 7 May 2017 21:33:39 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Looking for Oregon/Idaho Eclipse accommodation
Message-ID: <8b53a6ea-74e4-be58-37c2-5469a90c2c2d@coho.net>

I am finding lots of links with the Sky & Telescope web site.


http://www.eclipse2017.org/2017/path_through_the_US.htm#Oregon

http://www.skyandtelescope.com/2017-total-solar-eclipse/rv-guide-to-2017-total-solar-eclipse/

http://www.skyandtelescope.com/sky-and-telescope-magazine/experience-2017-total-solar-eclipse-wyoming/

http://www.skyandtelescope.com/2017-total-solar-eclipse/webinar-2017-total-solar-eclipse/

http://www.skyandtelescope.com/astronomy-events/solar-eclipse-experience-lowell-observatory/

http://www.skyandtelescope.com/?s=solar+eclipse&submit=


So there are quite a few options for you and your son.

East of the Cascades is your best bet.  High and dry near Madras is a 
good place.  The high power rocketeers camp east of Madras. No, it is 
not pronounced like the city in India.  Think mad as in angry and raster 
as in scan.  Put them together for Mad ras, accent on the first syllable.






From kevinr at coho.net  Mon May  8 00:44:37 2017
From: kevinr at coho.net (kevinr at coho.net)
Date: Sun, 7 May 2017 21:44:37 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] A good map to eclipse
Message-ID: <cc210283-c0eb-31f3-9ef9-a971faedb84d@coho.net>

https://www.greatamericaneclipse.com/oregon/


From minadeo at gmail.com  Mon May  8 00:47:38 2017
From: minadeo at gmail.com (Michael Minadeo)
Date: Sun, 7 May 2017 21:47:38 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 HI CUR warning and shutdown when headset is used
Message-ID: <DEE67221-BAA0-4122-8DA6-EED09C722187@gmail.com>

Whenever the PHONES jack is connected to a headset the KX3 goes into a a HI CUR warning and then shuts down the radio. Have tried different headsets including the Elecraft AD-1-K with the same results. Not able to find any help in the manual, or web searchs. Any help would be appreciated, I am new to the KX3 and a new ham.

Thanks

Mike Minadeo KM6DPK
minadeo at gmail.com




From g3ico8 at gmail.com  Mon May  8 05:07:42 2017
From: g3ico8 at gmail.com (George Davis)
Date: Mon, 8 May 2017 10:07:42 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] Good length for portable ant
Message-ID: <DCA98F18-C3E5-4820-A71E-3118B446B589@gmail.com>


We have had a degree of success doing demonstrations with the Rybakov vertical and a couple of counterpoises on 17 and 20 metres.

73, George.  G3ICO


Sent from my iPad

From ad8p at wcoil.com  Mon May  8 08:30:12 2017
From: ad8p at wcoil.com (Bill Gaines)
Date: Mon, 8 May 2017 08:30:12 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA 500 Fan Continues to Run
Message-ID: <3B9F76C697964422BA3B04495BB19CFF@BillPC>

With the amp and rig turned off the fan in the KPA500 continues to run. Not just the short interval I was used to it running, but for days it will run. It stops when I turn the amp on and into standby. Any ideas? Did I somehow change a setting somewhere or has something failed? Unplugging the amp then plugging it back into the mains did nothing to stop it either.

Bill AD8P

From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Mon May  8 08:42:54 2017
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Mon, 8 May 2017 08:42:54 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA 500 Fan Continues to Run
In-Reply-To: <3B9F76C697964422BA3B04495BB19CFF@BillPC>
References: <3B9F76C697964422BA3B04495BB19CFF@BillPC>
Message-ID: <cd231d7a-afb5-d0b0-7cea-a905c49e78a3@embarqmail.com>

Bill,

Check the menu setting for FAN CTL - any setting other than NOR will 
cause the fan to run continuously.
If it runs all the time when set to NOR, contact support.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 5/8/2017 8:30 AM, Bill Gaines wrote:
> With the amp and rig turned off the fan in the KPA500 continues to run. Not just the short interval I was used to it running, but for days it will run. 

From john at kk9a.com  Mon May  8 09:04:26 2017
From: john at kk9a.com (john at kk9a.com)
Date: Mon, 8 May 2017 09:04:26 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft]  KPA 500 Fan Continues to Run
Message-ID: <4b76be7b454f1260bf07760f0694b751.squirrel@www11.qth.com>

His fan runs when the amp is off and the fan turns off when the amp is on
and on standby.

John KK9A


From: Don Wilhelm
Mon May 8 08:42:54 EDT 2017

Bill,

Check the menu setting for FAN CTL - any setting other than NOR will
cause the fan to run continuously.
If it runs all the time when set to NOR, contact support.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 5/8/2017 8:30 AM, Bill Gaines wrote:
> With the amp and rig turned off the fan in the KPA500 continues to run.
Not just the short interval I was used to it running, but for days it
will run.



From dave.w8ov at gmail.com  Mon May  8 09:09:57 2017
From: dave.w8ov at gmail.com (David Koch)
Date: Mon, 8 May 2017 08:09:57 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] A good map to eclipse
In-Reply-To: <cc210283-c0eb-31f3-9ef9-a971faedb84d@coho.net>
References: <cc210283-c0eb-31f3-9ef9-a971faedb84d@coho.net>
Message-ID: <29678667-05e7-65d1-2374-13fe5228c445@gmail.com>

That's a good map for Oregon, but for the rest of us, this map allows 
you to zoom and gives times of the eclipse for any location.  If you 
'click' the green rectangle in the upper left corner you'll find a page 
with past and future eclipses.

http://xjubier.free.fr/en/site_pages/solar_eclipses/TSE_2017_GoogleMapFull.html

73, Dave W8OV


On 2017-05-07 23:44, kevinr at coho.net wrote:
> https://www.greatamericaneclipse.com/oregon/
>


From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Mon May  8 09:18:41 2017
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Mon, 8 May 2017 09:18:41 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA 500 Fan Continues to Run
In-Reply-To: <3B9F76C697964422BA3B04495BB19CFF@BillPC>
References: <3B9F76C697964422BA3B04495BB19CFF@BillPC>
Message-ID: <45192d21-87df-2547-513a-da8bd5123dec@embarqmail.com>

Apologies, I am not reading well this morning - if the fan continues to 
run with the amp turned OFF, then there is something wrong - like the 
power supply not turning off.
The fan normally runs briefly when the amp is turned off as a means of 
discharging the filter capacitors.

Contact support

73,
Don W3FPR

--------------------------------------------------------------
Bill,

Check the menu setting for FAN CTL - any setting other than NOR will 
cause the fan to run continuously.
If it runs all the time when set to NOR, contact support.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 5/8/2017 8:30 AM, Bill Gaines wrote:
> With the amp and rig turned off the fan in the KPA500 continues to run. Not just the short interval I was used to it running, but for days it will run. 

From awinger2011 at icloud.com  Mon May  8 09:23:05 2017
From: awinger2011 at icloud.com (Albert Winger)
Date: Mon, 08 May 2017 07:23:05 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] A good map to eclipse
In-Reply-To: <29678667-05e7-65d1-2374-13fe5228c445@gmail.com>
References: <cc210283-c0eb-31f3-9ef9-a971faedb84d@coho.net>
	<29678667-05e7-65d1-2374-13fe5228c445@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7326F820-2091-4F26-BB65-90EAE550A917@icloud.com>

Hi to all.

In the original link we all received with the Oregon map, i replaced the word "Oregon" in the URL with Wyoming (where we are viewing it), hit return and I got a great map of the eclipse path through Wyoming.  This should work for other eclipse states. 

I hope that helps.

73
Al
W1NGA
Colorado Springs, CO

> On May 8, 2017, at 7:09 AM, David Koch <dave.w8ov at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> That's a good map for Oregon, but for the rest of us, this map allows you to zoom and gives times of the eclipse for any location.  If you 'click' the green rectangle in the upper left corner you'll find a page with past and future eclipses.
> 
> http://xjubier.free.fr/en/site_pages/solar_eclipses/TSE_2017_GoogleMapFull.html
> 
> 73, Dave W8OV
> 
> 
>> On 2017-05-07 23:44, kevinr at coho.net wrote:
>> https://www.greatamericaneclipse.com/oregon/
>> 
> 
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From detrick at merzhaus.org  Mon May  8 09:36:07 2017
From: detrick at merzhaus.org (Detrick Merz)
Date: Mon, 8 May 2017 09:36:07 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Seeking feedback on Windcamp KX3 heatsink
Message-ID: <CAJ-Q2SVRTfViyq6+Y5zGYaR+=EDYWQrREPtzh=0P+5Osi-Zo-Q@mail.gmail.com>

Have a Windcamp kit: side panels, clear covers, canvas bag, and heatsink.
I'm very pleased with the side panels, covers, and bag. I'm waffling on
installing the heatsink. It looks very nice, I was very excited to be
getting it and I'd like to install it, but the KX3HSMDKT Enhanced Heat Sink
is really stuck on good. If the KX3HSMDKT wasn't adhered so well I wouldn't
hesitate about making the change.

Before I go trying to remove the KX3HSMDKT, can I get some opinions on the
Windcamp heatsink? Am I an idiot for thinking about swapping out for the
Windcamp? Is there some trick to easily removing the KX3HSMDKT?

73,

-detrick
KI4STU

From ghyoungman at gmail.com  Mon May  8 10:04:44 2017
From: ghyoungman at gmail.com (GRANT YOUNGMAN)
Date: Mon, 8 May 2017 10:04:44 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Seeking feedback on Windcamp KX3 heatsink
In-Reply-To: <CAJ-Q2SVRTfViyq6+Y5zGYaR+=EDYWQrREPtzh=0P+5Osi-Zo-Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJ-Q2SVRTfViyq6+Y5zGYaR+=EDYWQrREPtzh=0P+5Osi-Zo-Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <412DC359-5A19-4756-A55D-5AE8F0FD063E@gmail.com>

I put a ProAudioEngineering heatsink on my KX3.  Can?t comment on the Windcamp stuff.

The Elecraft enhanced heatsink comes off relatively easily if you use some heat.  PAE recommends a hair dryer.  I used my heat gun from a large enough distance not to overheat the powder coat finish on the KX3.  Just warm it up slowly and the adhesive will soften.  It will still require some manual labor ? I used one of my plastic iPhone pry tools to work it off and prevent case damage.


> Have a Windcamp kit: side panels, clear covers, canvas bag, and heatsink.
> I'm very pleased with the side panels, covers, and bag. I'm waffling on
> installing the heatsink. It looks very nice, I was very excited to be
> getting it and I'd like to install it, but the KX3HSMDKT Enhanced Heat Sink
> is really stuck on good. If the KX3HSMDKT wasn't adhered so well I wouldn't
> hesitate about making the change.
> 
> Before I go trying to remove the KX3HSMDKT, can I get some opinions on the
> Windcamp heatsink? Am I an idiot for thinking about swapping out for the
> Windcamp? Is there some trick to easily removing the KX3HSMDKT?
> 
> 

Grant NQ5T
K3 #2091, KX3 #8342




From wa7u77 at gmail.com  Mon May  8 10:05:27 2017
From: wa7u77 at gmail.com (Todd)
Date: Mon, 8 May 2017 08:05:27 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA 500 Fan Continues to Run
In-Reply-To: <45192d21-87df-2547-513a-da8bd5123dec@embarqmail.com>
References: <3B9F76C697964422BA3B04495BB19CFF@BillPC>
	<45192d21-87df-2547-513a-da8bd5123dec@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAOQFPVJQ5fXUf8eorUNtbgkF5b6fg=GfXKyAL1C0AcqAZMeJSw@mail.gmail.com>

I had this occur to my KPA500.  I had to replace the power supply which
cured the problem.  Elecraft took care of the replacement cost in my case.

Todd, WA7U

On Mon, May 8, 2017 at 7:18 AM, Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com> wrote:

> Apologies, I am not reading well this morning - if the fan continues to
> run with the amp turned OFF, then there is something wrong - like the power
> supply not turning off.
> The fan normally runs briefly when the amp is turned off as a means of
> discharging the filter capacitors.
>
> Contact support
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------
> Bill,
>
> Check the menu setting for FAN CTL - any setting other than NOR will cause
> the fan to run continuously.
> If it runs all the time when set to NOR, contact support.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 5/8/2017 8:30 AM, Bill Gaines wrote:
>
>> With the amp and rig turned off the fan in the KPA500 continues to run.
>> Not just the short interval I was used to it running, but for days it will
>> run.
>>
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From nr4c at widomaker.com  Mon May  8 11:00:38 2017
From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c)
Date: Mon, 8 May 2017 11:00:38 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 HI CUR warning and shutdown when headset is used
In-Reply-To: <DEE67221-BAA0-4122-8DA6-EED09C722187@gmail.com>
References: <DEE67221-BAA0-4122-8DA6-EED09C722187@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <43A99392-3B77-4CB0-9D0B-F5EB1D09B6F6@widomaker.com>

Don't have a manual handy but look for Mic PTT and Mic Btns. Turn both OFF. These settings are in the list of Menu functions. 

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill


> On May 8, 2017, at 12:47 AM, Michael Minadeo <minadeo at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Whenever the PHONES jack is connected to a headset the KX3 goes into a a HI CUR warning and then shuts down the radio. Have tried different headsets including the Elecraft AD-1-K with the same results. Not able to find any help in the manual, or web searchs. Any help would be appreciated, I am new to the KX3 and a new ham.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Mike Minadeo KM6DPK
> minadeo at gmail.com
> 
> 
> 
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From cq.k7ksg at gmail.com  Mon May  8 11:14:39 2017
From: cq.k7ksg at gmail.com (Keith Gordon)
Date: Mon, 8 May 2017 08:14:39 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Good Length for a Portable Antenna
Message-ID: <CAJ43_zQXTozZes-osa4h09WQHNaMp8OEjv4gxNTHmSNHKifY3Q@mail.gmail.com>

Victor,

Don't know how much time between now and your school "Field Demo" but an
unabashed plug for one of our members who builds a fine kit:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemVersion&item=152485477586&view=all&tid=1551980632005

Surpassed my expectations in both completeness and function and it was
mailed to me within hours of purchase, arriving two days later -- but that
was US Domestic shipping.

I'm having a lot of fun with it and my KX2.

?Shalom and ?
73, Keith S Gordon
K7KSG

From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Mon May  8 11:25:38 2017
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Mon, 8 May 2017 11:25:38 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 HI CUR warning and shutdown when headset is used
In-Reply-To: <DEE67221-BAA0-4122-8DA6-EED09C722187@gmail.com>
References: <DEE67221-BAA0-4122-8DA6-EED09C722187@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <533ff950-b84d-f046-fae3-61d178f7fdee@embarqmail.com>

Mike,

Take a look at the plug on the microphone.  It MUST be a stereo type, or 
it will try to activate PTT.

Do you have a 1/8 inch stereo plug with nothing connected to it?  If so, 
plug it in and see if the same thing happens.  If not, then the problem 
is with the mic or its plug.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 5/8/2017 12:47 AM, Michael Minadeo wrote:
> Whenever the PHONES jack is connected to a headset the KX3 goes into a a HI CUR warning and then shuts down the radio. Have tried different headsets including the Elecraft AD-1-K with the same results. Not able to find any help in the manual, or web searchs. Any help would be appreciated, I am new to the KX3 and a new ham.

From cq.k7ksg at gmail.com  Mon May  8 13:11:56 2017
From: cq.k7ksg at gmail.com (Keith Gordon)
Date: Mon, 8 May 2017 10:11:56 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Corrected eBay URL for "Good Length for a Portable
	Antenna"
Message-ID: <CAJ43_zTjgsusenHkzGe3RxRNRZbXkNJ7sDBePtMcO2SQxskQjw@mail.gmail.com>

Phil, Byron, All,

Here's the link again, not from my "purchase" page:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Custom-End-Fed-QRP-antenna-for-Elecraft-K-KX-Series/
152485477586

and the description on eBay:

Custom End-Fed QRP antenna for Elecraft K & KX Series

The antenna is actively listed for sale (and made by) k7bhb
<http://www.ebay.com/usr/k7bhb>

Sorry for the prior bad URL.

73, Keith S Gordon
K7KSG

From ve3dss at hotmail.com  Mon May  8 13:18:33 2017
From: ve3dss at hotmail.com (Dana Shtun)
Date: Mon, 8 May 2017 17:18:33 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: VHF+UHF Radio Wish List
References: <E8032665-4EC4-456A-A324-6D580D16E34C@acanac.net>
Message-ID: <SN1PR11MB07497AD6F72A13569912B13F8BEE0@SN1PR11MB0749.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>




If you look at the schematic for the internal transverter there appear  to be available pins for ?stacking? tranverters and switching the IF around?
similar to what exists with the external transverters.

Which means if there were transverters you could add them internally?222, 432, 902, 1296? 
The biggest feature would be band specific sequencing and lines to sequence amps, and preamps...

Sure would make my life easier? but I?m using the "Mother of All Switch Units" to control all my transverters and sequencing.
This talks directly to the K3. Makes VHF contesting so easy but its rack mounted, would look better in a Elecraft style cabinet! jo

If I took out the 100 w module there would be room to fill the box with transverters?.but a K3SVU would be nice eh?

73 Dana VE3DS
FN03


From dave.w0zf at gmail.com  Mon May  8 14:49:51 2017
From: dave.w0zf at gmail.com (Dave Fugleberg)
Date: Mon, 08 May 2017 18:49:51 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: VHF+UHF Radio Wish List
In-Reply-To: <SN1PR11MB07497AD6F72A13569912B13F8BEE0@SN1PR11MB0749.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>
References: <E8032665-4EC4-456A-A324-6D580D16E34C@acanac.net>
	<SN1PR11MB07497AD6F72A13569912B13F8BEE0@SN1PR11MB0749.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CAF==Uf1D-3P19jTihRZg6SqK36ChKsxCHaSc3XzOVvUxYzdrSQ@mail.gmail.com>

Dana, I would be interested in learning more about your transverter
switching arrangement. Right now I have the K3 plus the Elecraft
transverters for 144, 222, and 432, using split IF and the Elecraft Aux
bus. Each transverter drives a power amp. That works fantastic for
contesting, but I want to add a couple bands. That means adding
non-Elecraft transverters, and some kind of switching setup.
73 de W0ZF
On Mon, May 8, 2017 at 12:19 PM Dana Shtun <ve3dss at hotmail.com> wrote:

>
>
>
> If you look at the schematic for the internal transverter there appear  to
> be available pins for ?stacking? tranverters and switching the IF around?
> similar to what exists with the external transverters.
>
> Which means if there were transverters you could add them internally?222,
> 432, 902, 1296?
> The biggest feature would be band specific sequencing and lines to
> sequence amps, and preamps...
>
> Sure would make my life easier? but I?m using the "Mother of All Switch
> Units" to control all my transverters and sequencing.
> This talks directly to the K3. Makes VHF contesting so easy but its rack
> mounted, would look better in a Elecraft style cabinet! jo
>
> If I took out the 100 w module there would be room to fill the box with
> transverters?.but a K3SVU would be nice eh?
>
> 73 Dana VE3DS
> FN03
>
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From detrick at merzhaus.org  Mon May  8 15:42:21 2017
From: detrick at merzhaus.org (Detrick Merz)
Date: Mon, 8 May 2017 15:42:21 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Seeking feedback on Windcamp KX3 heatsink
In-Reply-To: <412DC359-5A19-4756-A55D-5AE8F0FD063E@gmail.com>
References: <CAJ-Q2SVRTfViyq6+Y5zGYaR+=EDYWQrREPtzh=0P+5Osi-Zo-Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<412DC359-5A19-4756-A55D-5AE8F0FD063E@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJ-Q2SWac9R04OR7BVjZ8EPBAXun74YTBbgXmj90adB7+8pZdw@mail.gmail.com>

This was the hint I needed. The kit did come with a little plastic tool. I
had presumed that tool was spreading out the heatsink compound they also
provided (which the tool does work quite well for). A little bit of hair
dryer plus the tool they included and the KX3HSMDKT came off rather
painlessly. Sometimes I ponder writing up a small bit of documentation and
providing it back to these companies so they can provide it to the next
guy. Still quite pleased with the add-on.

Thanks!

-detrick
KI4STU

On Mon, May 8, 2017 at 10:04 AM, GRANT YOUNGMAN <ghyoungman at gmail.com>
wrote:

> I put a ProAudioEngineering heatsink on my KX3.  Can?t comment on the
> Windcamp stuff.
>
> The Elecraft enhanced heatsink comes off relatively easily if you use some
> heat.  PAE recommends a hair dryer.  I used my heat gun from a large enough
> distance not to overheat the powder coat finish on the KX3.  Just warm it
> up slowly and the adhesive will soften.  It will still require some manual
> labor ? I used one of my plastic iPhone pry tools to work it off and
> prevent case damage.
>
> > Before I go trying to remove the KX3HSMDKT, can I get some opinions on
> the
> > Windcamp heatsink? Am I an idiot for thinking about swapping out for the
> > Windcamp? Is there some trick to easily removing the KX3HSMDKT?
> >
>
> Grant NQ5T
> K3 #2091, KX3 #8342
>
>
>
>

From dave.w0zf at gmail.com  Mon May  8 17:10:15 2017
From: dave.w0zf at gmail.com (Dave Fugleberg)
Date: Mon, 08 May 2017 21:10:15 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] VHF+UHF Radio Wish List
In-Reply-To: <SN1PR11MB07491CE6B3C6D3D2FCDECBCA8BEE0@SN1PR11MB0749.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>
References: <E8032665-4EC4-456A-A324-6D580D16E34C@acanac.net>
	<SN1PR11MB07497AD6F72A13569912B13F8BEE0@SN1PR11MB0749.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>
	<CAF==Uf1D-3P19jTihRZg6SqK36ChKsxCHaSc3XzOVvUxYzdrSQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<SN1PR11MB07491CE6B3C6D3D2FCDECBCA8BEE0@SN1PR11MB0749.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CAF==Uf1DuuwXT1_1UqQ3YXTM6BQZDgEdg5zkoEKY4Kj0E_3=kQ@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks for the info!
I'll look for Terry at Dayton next week.
This looks like exactly what I'm looking to do.
Dave
On Mon, May 8, 2017 at 3:10 PM Dana Shtun <ve3dss at hotmail.com> wrote:

> Dave
> I came across this from Terry K8ZN o
> f Directiv
> e Systems , and the Grid Pirates.
> This was the ?missing link? for VHF UHF!
> The elecraft external band switch is ALSO very capable and will work on HF
> or VHF/UHF, but it requires more hardware, which you can
> buy online, it just gets messy?
>
> With a bit of modification Terry?s board talks to the K3 via the RS232
> port - the original design was computer driven via RS232.
> This was featured in the World Above in QST in 2008 (attached) and here is
> the link
> to the Grid Pirates web? http://www.k8gp.net/station-equipment/moasu or e
> mail Terry. He may have boards and parts left.It is capable of switching
> 12 bands?but the K3 can only handle 10 if memory serves.
>
> I drive 2x24 V rotary switches from the board, one switches the 28 MHz IF
> from the K3 for 222 and 432, and the other uses the 144 Mhz IF for my
> microwave transverters, plus 144 and 50
> as well there are on board relays that move a Demi 4 port sequencer from
> band to band via a set of 3 phono plugs per band, on the back.
> Ive also modified it to provide 12 and 24 V switched output for relays and
> also integrated a G4FRE / WW2R band decoder board into it just to give me
> a full frequency display? ie 2304.1000 rather than 304.1000 on the K3.
>
> It all works great, I can jump from 50 through 2304 just by switching
> bands on the K3.
>
> 73 Dana VE3DS
>
>
> On May 8, 2017, at 14:49, Dave Fugleberg <dave.w0zf at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Dana, I would be interested in learning more about your transverter
> switching arrangement. Right now I have the K3 plus the Elecraft
> transverters for 144, 222, and 432, using split IF and the Elecraft Aux
> bus. Each transverter drives a power amp. That works fantastic for
> contesting, but I want to add a couple bands. That means adding
> non-Elecraft transverters, and some kind of switching setup.
> 73 de W0ZF
> On Mon, May 8, 2017 at 12:19 PM Dana Shtun <ve3dss at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> If you look at the schematic for the internal transverter there appear  to
> be available pins for ?stacking? tranverters and switching the IF around?
> similar to what exists with the external transverters.
>
> Which means if there were transverters you could add them internally?222,
> 432, 902, 1296?
> The biggest feature would be band specific sequencing and lines to
> sequence amps, and preamps...
>
> Sure would make my life easier? but I?m using the "Mother of All Switch
> Units" to control all my transverters and sequencing.
> This talks directly to the K3. Makes VHF contesting so easy but its rack
> mounted, would look better in a Elecraft style cabinet! jo
>
> If I took out the 100 w module there would be room to fill the box with
> transverters?.but a K3SVU would be nice eh?
>
> 73 Dana VE3DS
> FN03
>
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From jayfmiller at mindspring.com  Mon May  8 18:26:10 2017
From: jayfmiller at mindspring.com (Jay Miller)
Date: Mon, 8 May 2017 16:26:10 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] GPS Disciplined 10MHZ source from China
Message-ID: <001001d2c84a$1881a390$4984eab0$@mindspring.com>

I was curious so I bought a GPS disciplined 10MHz source from China using
the eBay seller "cybereveryday."  I have a calibrated scope and a Rubidium
10MHz source. I noticed a frequency offset on three of the WWV frequencies
when I plugged it into the K3 XREF module after getting "GPS Lock" rather
than using my Rubidium lamp standard   I measured the 10MHz output from the
GPSDO and it is 10,000,025 Hz. (2.5 PPM) The eBay ad states "Accuracy: than
above OXCO 2 order of magnitude."  The point is, even using the K3 zero-beat
method with 15 MHz WWV I can get closer to being dead on frequency than
using this Chinese mfg. GPSDO. Again, Elecraft quality and engineering WINS.

 

Jay Miller, N4NUI


From cautery at montac.com  Mon May  8 19:05:10 2017
From: cautery at montac.com (Clay Autery)
Date: Mon, 8 May 2017 18:05:10 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] GPS Disciplined 10MHZ source from China
In-Reply-To: <001001d2c84a$1881a390$4984eab0$@mindspring.com>
References: <001001d2c84a$1881a390$4984eab0$@mindspring.com>
Message-ID: <6f58c8ef-0452-f9fe-0117-dc3f4e6339a4@montac.com>

Need to get that TMP cable (radio to Freq. Ctr) made and get back to the
project of determining exactly how close you can get on average without
an instrument(s).

Pretty sure I can get a lot closer than 25 Hz using my ear.... even my
old aviator's ear.

Glad I chose NOT to try the eBay/Chinese PCB box deals...

______________________
Clay Autery, KY5G

On 5/8/2017 5:26 PM, Jay Miller wrote:
> I was curious so I bought a GPS disciplined 10MHz source from China using
> the eBay seller "cybereveryday."  I have a calibrated scope and a Rubidium
> 10MHz source. I noticed a frequency offset on three of the WWV frequencies
> when I plugged it into the K3 XREF module after getting "GPS Lock" rather
> than using my Rubidium lamp standard   I measured the 10MHz output from the
> GPSDO and it is 10,000,025 Hz. (2.5 PPM) The eBay ad states "Accuracy: than
> above OXCO 2 order of magnitude."  The point is, even using the K3 zero-beat
> method with 15 MHz WWV I can get closer to being dead on frequency than
> using this Chinese mfg. GPSDO. Again, Elecraft quality and engineering WINS.
>
> Jay Miller, N4NUI

From hlyingst at yahoo.com  Mon May  8 19:12:28 2017
From: hlyingst at yahoo.com (Harry Yingst)
Date: Mon, 8 May 2017 23:12:28 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] GPS Disciplined 10MHZ source from China
In-Reply-To: <001001d2c84a$1881a390$4984eab0$@mindspring.com>
References: <001001d2c84a$1881a390$4984eab0$@mindspring.com>
Message-ID: <442520165.6383755.1494285148597@mail.yahoo.com>




Mine is from G3RUH?http://www.jrmiller.demon.co.uk/projects/ministd/frqstd.htm

he states:?The stability as given by the Allan Deviation is typically 5x10-12 at ?=10s.
That figure is 0.05 Hz at 10 GHz and is a remarkably small value.


Using mine as a example I would say the one you have is way off.

I'm not sure what you are using for an Antenna, I'm using an external GPS Timing Antenna


________________________________
From: Jay Miller <jayfmiller at mindspring.com>
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net 
Sent: Monday, May 8, 2017 6:28 PM
Subject: [Elecraft] GPS Disciplined 10MHZ source from China



I was curious so I bought a GPS disciplined 10MHz source from China using

the eBay seller "cybereveryday."? I have a calibrated scope and a Rubidium

10MHz source. I noticed a frequency offset on three of the WWV frequencies

when I plugged it into the K3 XREF module after getting "GPS Lock" rather

than using my Rubidium lamp standard? I measured the 10MHz output from the

GPSDO and it is 10,000,025 Hz. (2.5 PPM) The eBay ad states "Accuracy: than

above OXCO 2 order of magnitude."? The point is, even using the K3 zero-beat

method with 15 MHz WWV I can get closer to being dead on frequency than

using this Chinese mfg. GPSDO. Again, Elecraft quality and engineering WINS.




Jay Miller, N4NUI




From wes_n7ws at triconet.org  Mon May  8 19:21:43 2017
From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes Stewart)
Date: Mon, 8 May 2017 16:21:43 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] GPS Disciplined 10MHZ source from China
In-Reply-To: <001001d2c84a$1881a390$4984eab0$@mindspring.com>
References: <001001d2c84a$1881a390$4984eab0$@mindspring.com>
Message-ID: <a730ea36-dc6c-53d5-4430-6d7ea730fb57@triconet.org>

How did you measure the GPSDO?  Against the Rubidium?

On 5/8/2017 3:26 PM, Jay Miller wrote:
> I was curious so I bought a GPS disciplined 10MHz source from China using
> the eBay seller "cybereveryday."  I have a calibrated scope and a Rubidium
> 10MHz source. I noticed a frequency offset on three of the WWV frequencies
> when I plugged it into the K3 XREF module after getting "GPS Lock" rather
> than using my Rubidium lamp standard   I measured the 10MHz output from the
> GPSDO and it is 10,000,025 Hz. (2.5 PPM) The eBay ad states "Accuracy: than
> above OXCO 2 order of magnitude."  The point is, even using the K3 zero-beat
> method with 15 MHz WWV I can get closer to being dead on frequency than
> using this Chinese mfg. GPSDO. Again, Elecraft quality and engineering WINS.
>
>   
>
> Jay Miller, N4NUI


From kd6qzx at sbcglobal.net  Mon May  8 20:20:43 2017
From: kd6qzx at sbcglobal.net (KD6QZX)
Date: Mon, 8 May 2017 17:20:43 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] Seeking feedback on Windcamp KX3 heatsink
In-Reply-To: <CAJ-Q2SVRTfViyq6+Y5zGYaR+=EDYWQrREPtzh=0P+5Osi-Zo-Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJ-Q2SVRTfViyq6+Y5zGYaR+=EDYWQrREPtzh=0P+5Osi-Zo-Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1780678672.6459296.1494288961526@mail.yahoo.com>

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If you are in Xenia this year for the Hamvention stop by and see me in the Elecraft booth! 

73 Scott AK6Q
 

    On Monday, May 8, 2017 6:37 AM, Detrick Merz [via Elecraft] <ml+s365791n7630439h43 at n2.nabble.com> wrote:
 

  Have a Windcamp kit: side panels, clear covers, canvas bag, and heatsink.
I'm very pleased with the side panels, covers, and bag. I'm waffling on
installing the heatsink. It looks very nice, I was very excited to be
getting it and I'd like to install it, but the KX3HSMDKT Enhanced Heat Sink
is really stuck on good. If the KX3HSMDKT wasn't adhered so well I wouldn't
hesitate about making the change.

Before I go trying to remove the KX3HSMDKT, can I get some opinions on the
Windcamp heatsink? Am I an idiot for thinking about swapping out for the
Windcamp? Is there some trick to easily removing the KX3HSMDKT?

73,

-detrick
KI4STU
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From kevin at k4vd.net  Mon May  8 20:33:39 2017
From: kevin at k4vd.net (Kevin - K4VD)
Date: Mon, 8 May 2017 20:33:39 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Setting Up Travel Kit
Message-ID: <CAFA9ujtKQjig9=fuhHw8Awpy53S1f7DF1tshie0Jx8xxZM7=9w@mail.gmail.com>

Hi there...

I'm hoping this year I'll see a lot of day/half-day trips, a few overnight
or weekend trips and maybe a week getaway - all with my KX3 of course.

I'm working on progressive grab and go bags depending on the current plan.
So far, for the day/half-day trips I've come up with the following:

Pack #1 (40/20 meters, CW, some digital, some voice, limited DC power)

Bag, AmazonBasics Large DSLR Gadget Bag, Orange Interior

KX3 Radio

Paddles

KX3 allen wrench

KXPD3 allen wrench

Antenna, EF-40/20

Coax, 3? BNCm RA to PL259

Minilog

Notepad

License

Pen

Pencil

Mason line

Fishing weight

Adapter pack (this-to-that stuff)

Earphones

8x NiMH internal

16x NiMH external

8-cell holder with 5.5x2.1 barrel


I think this is the minimum for a day at the park. It all fits into an easy
to carry bag.

My next step is to come up with a kit that adds to the above and extends
things out for a weekend. I have a 20Ah LiFePO4 (on the way) and will add
an end-fed to cover up to 80 meters along with the Heil headset. This would
be a Field Day kit for instance. More features trading off some
compactness. I'll work on an actual inventory.

The final step - the week getaway - might include a different antenna,
PX-3, KXPA100 if AC available and maybe a computer for better digital
capabilities (wsjt-x, fldigi, dxkeeper).

These are my thoughts so far. They'll probably change with some experience
and advice (hint).

73,
Kev K4VD

From farrerfolks at yahoo.com  Mon May  8 21:01:36 2017
From: farrerfolks at yahoo.com (Mel Farrer)
Date: Tue, 9 May 2017 01:01:36 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] Setting Up Travel Kit
In-Reply-To: <CAFA9ujtKQjig9=fuhHw8Awpy53S1f7DF1tshie0Jx8xxZM7=9w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFA9ujtKQjig9=fuhHw8Awpy53S1f7DF1tshie0Jx8xxZM7=9w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1911299740.7245762.1494291696302@mail.yahoo.com>

Hi Kev,
Only thing to add that I can think of is a 27+ watt solar panel.? More hand tools are nice.

Mel, K6KBE


      From: Kevin - K4VD <kevin at k4vd.net>
 To: Elecraft Reflector Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> 
 Sent: Monday, May 8, 2017 5:37 PM
 Subject: [Elecraft] Setting Up Travel Kit
   
Hi there...

I'm hoping this year I'll see a lot of day/half-day trips, a few overnight
or weekend trips and maybe a week getaway - all with my KX3 of course.

I'm working on progressive grab and go bags depending on the current plan.
So far, for the day/half-day trips I've come up with the following:

Pack #1 (40/20 meters, CW, some digital, some voice, limited DC power)

Bag, AmazonBasics Large DSLR Gadget Bag, Orange Interior

KX3 Radio

Paddles

KX3 allen wrench

KXPD3 allen wrench

Antenna, EF-40/20

Coax, 3? BNCm RA to PL259

Minilog

Notepad

License

Pen

Pencil

Mason line

Fishing weight

Adapter pack (this-to-that stuff)

Earphones

8x NiMH internal

16x NiMH external

8-cell holder with 5.5x2.1 barrel


I think this is the minimum for a day at the park. It all fits into an easy
to carry bag.

My next step is to come up with a kit that adds to the above and extends
things out for a weekend. I have a 20Ah LiFePO4 (on the way) and will add
an end-fed to cover up to 80 meters along with the Heil headset. This would
be a Field Day kit for instance. More features trading off some
compactness. I'll work on an actual inventory.

The final step - the week getaway - might include a different antenna,
PX-3, KXPA100 if AC available and maybe a computer for better digital
capabilities (wsjt-x, fldigi, dxkeeper).

These are my thoughts so far. They'll probably change with some experience
and advice (hint).

73,
Kev K4VD
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From wunder at wunderwood.org  Mon May  8 21:20:30 2017
From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood)
Date: Mon, 8 May 2017 18:20:30 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Setting Up Travel Kit
In-Reply-To: <1911299740.7245762.1494291696302@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <CAFA9ujtKQjig9=fuhHw8Awpy53S1f7DF1tshie0Jx8xxZM7=9w@mail.gmail.com>
	<1911299740.7245762.1494291696302@mail.yahoo.com>
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Instead of mason line, get arborist throw line. That is designed specifically to not get stuck in trees.

For a weight, take a small nylon bag and fill it with rocks. No need to carry a throw weight to the summit.

http://www.wesspur.com/throw-line/zing-it-throw-line.html <http://www.wesspur.com/throw-line/zing-it-throw-line.html>

No need for extra batteries for a weekend trip. For a week trip, just take extras and swap them out. Probably lighter than solar and much less fuss.

wunder
K6WRU
Walter Underwood
CM87wj
http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog)

> On May 8, 2017, at 6:01 PM, Mel Farrer via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
> 
> Hi Kev,
> Only thing to add that I can think of is a 27+ watt solar panel.  More hand tools are nice.
> 
> Mel, K6KBE
> 
> 
>      From: Kevin - K4VD <kevin at k4vd.net>
> To: Elecraft Reflector Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> 
> Sent: Monday, May 8, 2017 5:37 PM
> Subject: [Elecraft] Setting Up Travel Kit
> 
> Hi there...
> 
> I'm hoping this year I'll see a lot of day/half-day trips, a few overnight
> or weekend trips and maybe a week getaway - all with my KX3 of course.
> 
> I'm working on progressive grab and go bags depending on the current plan.
> So far, for the day/half-day trips I've come up with the following:
> 
> Pack #1 (40/20 meters, CW, some digital, some voice, limited DC power)
> 
> Bag, AmazonBasics Large DSLR Gadget Bag, Orange Interior
> 
> KX3 Radio
> 
> Paddles
> 
> KX3 allen wrench
> 
> KXPD3 allen wrench
> 
> Antenna, EF-40/20
> 
> Coax, 3? BNCm RA to PL259
> 
> Minilog
> 
> Notepad
> 
> License
> 
> Pen
> 
> Pencil
> 
> Mason line
> 
> Fishing weight
> 
> Adapter pack (this-to-that stuff)
> 
> Earphones
> 
> 8x NiMH internal
> 
> 16x NiMH external
> 
> 8-cell holder with 5.5x2.1 barrel
> 
> 
> I think this is the minimum for a day at the park. It all fits into an easy
> to carry bag.
> 
> My next step is to come up with a kit that adds to the above and extends
> things out for a weekend. I have a 20Ah LiFePO4 (on the way) and will add
> an end-fed to cover up to 80 meters along with the Heil headset. This would
> be a Field Day kit for instance. More features trading off some
> compactness. I'll work on an actual inventory.
> 
> The final step - the week getaway - might include a different antenna,
> PX-3, KXPA100 if AC available and maybe a computer for better digital
> capabilities (wsjt-x, fldigi, dxkeeper).
> 
> These are my thoughts so far. They'll probably change with some experience
> and advice (hint).
> 
> 73,
> Kev K4VD
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From k2vco.vic at gmail.com  Mon May  8 22:19:16 2017
From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP)
Date: Tue, 9 May 2017 05:19:16 +0300
Subject: [Elecraft] Good length for portable antenna
In-Reply-To: <16b1f95a-8bc6-f107-c050-06532e18a6a7@gmail.com>
References: <16b1f95a-8bc6-f107-c050-06532e18a6a7@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <54638af1-158e-b0f1-e95d-2ab24cc6e153@gmail.com>

I would like to thank all who responded on and off the list. What I will 
do tomorrow is use a 5m radiator and a pair of 5m counterpoise wires, 
for operation on 20 and 17m. That way I won't have to expand the pole 
too much so it won't scare the teachers! For a permanent antenna that 
will allow operation on more bands, I will use an 18.2m wire as the 
radiator and several counterpoise wires of different lengths.

Yesterday I tested the short configuration on my roof, in a not-so-good 
spot near the solar water heaters. I worked several Russian stations on 
20, so I am set to go.

73,
Victor, 4X6GP
Rehovot, Israel
Formerly K2VCO
http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/

On 7 May 2017 10:24, Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP wrote:

> I'm taking my K2/10 to a school on Wednesday to do a demonstration. I
> have a 10m fiberglass pole, and my plan is to hook a wire to it and
> either lean it against something or bungee-cord tie it to a bike rack or
> whatever is there. I will deploy a counterpoise wire on the ground.
> Given that it is the middle of the day, I will probably try 20 or 17m,
> or maybe 15 if it sounds good.
>
> My question is: what is a good length for the wire that will slope from
> the pole to my K2, and what is a good length for the counterpoise? The
> K2 has the internal tuner of course. The pole doesn't have to be fully
> extended.
>
> I intend to say "imagine that there is an earthquake and we are cut off,
> phones don't work, etc. Watch how quickly I expand this pole and get on
> the air (etc.)"

From hlyingst at yahoo.com  Mon May  8 23:55:24 2017
From: hlyingst at yahoo.com (Harry Yingst)
Date: Mon, 08 May 2017 23:55:24 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] OT - Gaffers Tape
Message-ID: <d27eotffd6bgidyvdsrw8ics.1494301360635@email.android.com>

In applications where I don't want to leave any tape residue, instead of duct tape I use gaffers tape.
It's something I use in photography but it's finding a place in my radio bag.
It holds about the same as duct tape but is easier to rip into strips and leaves less if any residue.

From kurtt at pinrod.com  Tue May  9 04:40:05 2017
From: kurtt at pinrod.com (Kurt Pawlikowski)
Date: Tue, 9 May 2017 03:40:05 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] OT - Gaffers Tape
In-Reply-To: <d27eotffd6bgidyvdsrw8ics.1494301360635@email.android.com>
References: <d27eotffd6bgidyvdsrw8ics.1494301360635@email.android.com>
Message-ID: <53b7bb5b-256b-2fb4-27e2-516537a5d664@pinrod.com>

Harry,

     I've found that, for most applications, painter's tape works well. 
While not the strength of gaffer's tape (it "rates" about the same as 
masking tape), a few extra layers, when needed, usually works. The 
advantage is that it's more readily available and costs less. It doesn't 
seem to leave any residue, even after having been in place for weeks. I 
don't know if it's water-proof, but it doesn't disintegrate when wet 
either. Just an alternative to consider.


     Regards,

     kurtt

     Kurt Pawlikowski
     The Pinrod Corporation
     kurtt at pinrod.com
     (773) 284-9500
     http://pinrod.com

On 5/8/2017 10:55 PM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote:
> In applications where I don't want to leave any tape residue, instead of duct tape I use gaffers tape.
> It's something I use in photography but it's finding a place in my radio bag.
> It holds about the same as duct tape but is easier to rip into strips and leaves less if any residue.
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From richard at lamont.me.uk  Tue May  9 04:41:44 2017
From: richard at lamont.me.uk (Richard Lamont)
Date: Tue, 9 May 2017 09:41:44 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] GPS Disciplined 10MHZ source from China
In-Reply-To: <001001d2c84a$1881a390$4984eab0$@mindspring.com>
References: <001001d2c84a$1881a390$4984eab0$@mindspring.com>
Message-ID: <ce2e560a-c90d-d943-af3e-89bd0d0bb35d@lamont.me.uk>

On 08/05/17 23:26, Jay Miller wrote:
> I was curious so I bought a GPS disciplined 10MHz source from China using
> the eBay seller "cybereveryday."  I have a calibrated scope and a Rubidium
> 10MHz source. I noticed a frequency offset on three of the WWV frequencies
> when I plugged it into the K3 XREF module after getting "GPS Lock" rather
> than using my Rubidium lamp standard   I measured the 10MHz output from the
> GPSDO and it is 10,000,025 Hz. (2.5 PPM) The eBay ad states "Accuracy: than
> above OXCO 2 order of magnitude."  The point is, even using the K3 zero-beat
> method with 15 MHz WWV I can get closer to being dead on frequency than
> using this Chinese mfg. GPSDO. Again, Elecraft quality and engineering WINS.

If you want a good quality 10 MHz GPSDO, I recommend the one made by Leo
Bodnar M0XER. It was reviewed in QST, June 2016.

https://leobodnar.com/

73,
Richard G4DYA



From bxg at hotmail.co.uk  Tue May  9 06:59:00 2017
From: bxg at hotmail.co.uk (K22)
Date: Tue, 9 May 2017 03:59:00 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Macro Problem
Message-ID: <1494327540707-7630461.post@n2.nabble.com>

Hello all,

I woul like to add a macro to toggle the ATU on PF2, but unfortunately I
haven't even gotten as far as reading them from the radio :(

When I press "Read Macros 1-8 from KX3" all Label & Command boxes are filled
with strings of ??????????

Any thoughts on why this is not working?

Thanks All



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From pincon at erols.com  Tue May  9 08:01:14 2017
From: pincon at erols.com (Charlie T, K3ICH)
Date: Tue, 9 May 2017 08:01:14 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] OT - Gaffers Tape
In-Reply-To: <d27eotffd6bgidyvdsrw8ics.1494301360635@email.android.com>
References: <d27eotffd6bgidyvdsrw8ics.1494301360635@email.android.com>
Message-ID: <001901d2c8bb$f821cd10$e8656730$@erols.com>

That and it's great for keeping noisy/nosy onlookers quiet.

8 inches applied just below the nose works fine.

73, Charlie k3ICH



-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Harry
Yingst via Elecraft
Sent: Monday, May 08, 2017 11:55 PM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] OT - Gaffers Tape

In applications where I don't want to leave any tape residue, instead of
duct tape I use gaffers tape.
It's something I use in photography but it's finding a place in my radio
bag.
It holds about the same as duct tape but is easier to rip into strips and
leaves less if any residue.
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From irmalinas73 at gmail.com  Tue May  9 08:11:21 2017
From: irmalinas73 at gmail.com (Irma & Linas(LY2H))
Date: Tue, 09 May 2017 12:11:21 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Good length off the antenna
In-Reply-To: <mailman.37244.1494205956.7384.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
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Message-ID: <CA+SkHY4JYAuQYvNekwH49R2mc4EqGXNnynemPJyEFbdgTAFsvQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,
8,8m could be a good length for your pole to tune from 40-6 m. It is
important to avoid the half wave lengths and its harmonics on the operating
frequency because it will produce a very high ( kiloohms) impedance which
normal tuner won't tune. Unless you go onpurpously for a 1/2 lambda
monoband antenna. It is very effective , needs a very short counterpoise
but you need to have special tuner, even the simpliest one made of a coil
and a variable cap. If you want multiband with a internal tuner, the
mentioned length is ok for all bands. There is many I more good lengths ,
you may google it on the net. I use  8,8m + 8,8m of couterpoise on the
ground  with my KX2 tuner for the outings and I have a 43m end fed wire for
a fixed 160-6 m operation at home with multiple quarter  wave radials on
the roof.
73 Linas LY2H

<<<To: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Cc:
Bcc:
Date: Sun, 7 May 2017 10:24:14 +0300
Subject: [Elecraft] Good length for portable antenna
I'm taking my K2/10 to a school on Wednesday to do a demonstration. I
have a 10m fiberglass pole, and my plan is to hook a wire to it and
either lean it against something or bungee-cord tie it to a bike rack or
whatever is there. I will deploy a counterpoise wire on the ground.
Given that it is the middle of the day, I will probably try 20 or 17m,>>>

From rich at wc3t.us  Tue May  9 08:56:15 2017
From: rich at wc3t.us (rich hurd WC3T)
Date: Tue, 9 May 2017 08:56:15 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Good length off the antenna
In-Reply-To: <CA+SkHY4JYAuQYvNekwH49R2mc4EqGXNnynemPJyEFbdgTAFsvQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <mailman.37244.1494205956.7384.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
	<CA+SkHY4JYAuQYvNekwH49R2mc4EqGXNnynemPJyEFbdgTAFsvQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CABYU7WiJ8x5st4U6S6ooCUNV7QyC+qz5mZMmXv+zk5G7=um2ew@mail.gmail.com>

This site has a pretty comprehensive guide to optimal random wire lengths.

http://udel.edu/~mm/ham/randomWire/

On Tue, May 9, 2017 at 8:11 AM, Irma & Linas(LY2H) <irmalinas73 at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hello,
> 8,8m could be a good length for your pole to tune from 40-6 m. It is
> important to avoid the half wave lengths and its harmonics on the operating
> frequency because it will produce a very high ( kiloohms) impedance which
> normal tuner won't tune. Unless you go onpurpously for a 1/2 lambda
> monoband antenna. It is very effective , needs a very short counterpoise
> but you need to have special tuner, even the simpliest one made of a coil
> and a variable cap. If you want multiband with a internal tuner, the
> mentioned length is ok for all bands. There is many I more good lengths ,
> you may google it on the net. I use  8,8m + 8,8m of couterpoise on the
> ground  with my KX2 tuner for the outings and I have a 43m end fed wire for
> a fixed 160-6 m operation at home with multiple quarter  wave radials on
> the roof.
> 73 Linas LY2H
>
> <<<To: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Cc:
> Bcc:
> Date: Sun, 7 May 2017 10:24:14 +0300
> Subject: [Elecraft] Good length for portable antenna
> I'm taking my K2/10 to a school on Wednesday to do a demonstration. I
> have a 10m fiberglass pole, and my plan is to hook a wire to it and
> either lean it against something or bungee-cord tie it to a bike rack or
> whatever is there. I will deploy a counterpoise wire on the ground.
> Given that it is the middle of the day, I will probably try 20 or 17m,>>>
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From w9ac at arrl.net  Tue May  9 10:19:09 2017
From: w9ac at arrl.net (Paul Christensen)
Date: Tue, 9 May 2017 10:19:09 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] GPS Disciplined 10MHZ source from China
Message-ID: <009201d2c8cf$3a24c740$ae6e55c0$@arrl.net>

>"If you want a good quality 10 MHz GPSDO, I recommend the one made by Leo
Bodnar M0XER. It was reviewed in QST, June 2016."

Unless the K3S architecture is different than the K3, then frequency, rather
than phase-locking is used from the external frequency source.  Phase noise
performance of the GPS-DO doesn't impact performance of the K3 receiver.

However, if planning on distributing the GPS-DO to other devices, I think
it's worthwhile to note that the higher-priced version of the Bodnar is
still > 30 dB worse at a 100 Hz Fc offset than a common Trimble Thunderbolt
with the Trimble-branded OCXO (not Piezo) when powered from a low-noise,
lab-grade supply.  For example, typical Trimble PN at 100 Hz is -160 dBc.
The upper-grade Bodnar unit is about -125 dBc.  

Compared to what's available on the new and used markets, I agree with G4DYA
that the Bodnar's performance is probably characterized as good, but not
excellent.  Again, for K3 users it isn't an issue, but if the device is
driving other test gear or other transceivers, that 30 dB difference may
mean a lot.  

The Thunderbolts were once plentiful on eBay for USD $99.  Scarcity has
driven that up but with persistence, a watchful eye can still spot one at a
reasonable price.   

I ended up installing a Trimble unit and Lambda linear supply into a
customized enclosure.  It drives a TAPR distribution amp and that supplies a
precision 10 MHz refence to multiple transceivers and test equipment.  

http://tinyurl.com/j7r36w5

Paul, W9AC

 





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From marklgoldberg at gmail.com  Tue May  9 11:05:56 2017
From: marklgoldberg at gmail.com (Mark Goldberg)
Date: Tue, 9 May 2017 08:05:56 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] GPS Disciplined 10MHZ source from China
In-Reply-To: <009201d2c8cf$3a24c740$ae6e55c0$@arrl.net>
References: <009201d2c8cf$3a24c740$ae6e55c0$@arrl.net>
Message-ID: <CAKn+a3spEu=TqCN9YLj8MzoCRXsL_R1EwPt09=50J3kdd_Jjsw@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks for bringing up phase noise. From my research on other cheap devices
(knockoff TCXOs), I have found that phase noise was obviously not
considered and in that case was truly awful. It was in the -115 dBc range
at 100hz, but, likely due to poor design, actually rose to -110 dBc at
10-100 kHz offset, which is truly awful. There were also many spurs. If
something is not specified, it is likely not even considered.

I had not realized a Trimble Thunderbolt was so good. I have been using the
output of the low aging rate option of an HP8642A for a 10 MHz reference,
no idea of the phase noise. Now you have me wanting something else!

73,

Mark
W7MLG

On Tue, May 9, 2017 at 7:19 AM, Paul Christensen <w9ac at arrl.net> wrote:

> >"If you want a good quality 10 MHz GPSDO, I recommend the one made by Leo
> Bodnar M0XER. It was reviewed in QST, June 2016."
>
> Unless the K3S architecture is different than the K3, then frequency,
> rather
> than phase-locking is used from the external frequency source.  Phase noise
> performance of the GPS-DO doesn't impact performance of the K3 receiver.
>
> However, if planning on distributing the GPS-DO to other devices, I think
> it's worthwhile to note that the higher-priced version of the Bodnar is
> still > 30 dB worse at a 100 Hz Fc offset than a common Trimble Thunderbolt
> with the Trimble-branded OCXO (not Piezo) when powered from a low-noise,
> lab-grade supply.  For example, typical Trimble PN at 100 Hz is -160 dBc.
> The upper-grade Bodnar unit is about -125 dBc.
>
> Compared to what's available on the new and used markets, I agree with
> G4DYA
> that the Bodnar's performance is probably characterized as good, but not
> excellent.  Again, for K3 users it isn't an issue, but if the device is
> driving other test gear or other transceivers, that 30 dB difference may
> mean a lot.
>
> The Thunderbolts were once plentiful on eBay for USD $99.  Scarcity has
> driven that up but with persistence, a watchful eye can still spot one at a
> reasonable price.
>
> I ended up installing a Trimble unit and Lambda linear supply into a
> customized enclosure.  It drives a TAPR distribution amp and that supplies
> a
> precision 10 MHz refence to multiple transceivers and test equipment.
>
> http://tinyurl.com/j7r36w5
>
> Paul, W9AC
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From wrmoore47 at gmail.com  Tue May  9 13:49:23 2017
From: wrmoore47 at gmail.com (Randy Moore)
Date: Tue, 09 May 2017 17:49:23 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] XG2 Sig. Generator
Message-ID: <em7dcae734-c5a9-4794-aaf3-ae183f593aa6@randy-custom>

I have a trusty Elecraft XG2 S9 Signal Generator that I've used for 
years. It produces a nice S9 signal into my K3 at 7040.3 KHz.  I'm 
trying to use it for trouble shooting a problem on a transceiver kit and 
there's something that I don't understand.  When I try to measure the 50 
uV (S9) signal with a Siglent SDS 1102 CML scope, I get nothing (no 
signal). I've tried it with the XG2 antenna connector open, and with it 
connected to a good 50 ohm dummy load.  I'm measuring at the XG2 antenna 
connector (center conductor) with the scope probe grounded on the large 
50 uV/1 uV switch which is grounded to the XG2 circuit board ground.

I'm able to measure other signals of about the same amplitude and 
frequency.

Are my expectations wrong, or am I doing something wrong???

73,
Randy, KS4L

From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Tue May  9 14:31:20 2017
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Tue, 9 May 2017 14:31:20 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] XG2 Sig. Generator
In-Reply-To: <em7dcae734-c5a9-4794-aaf3-ae183f593aa6@randy-custom>
References: <em7dcae734-c5a9-4794-aaf3-ae183f593aa6@randy-custom>
Message-ID: <d440c2a8-8efe-1533-0f55-6b3ba6447570@embarqmail.com>

Randy,

That scope has a sensitivity of 2mV per division on the most sensitive 
setting.  That is 2000uV per division.  The 50uV output of the XG2 would 
show up as only 1/40th of a division on your 'scope - that may not be 
enough to discern easily.
If you are using a 10X probe then the XG2 output would be only 1/400th 
of a division - very difficult to see.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 5/9/2017 1:49 PM, Randy Moore wrote:
> I have a trusty Elecraft XG2 S9 Signal Generator that I've used for 
> years. It produces a nice S9 signal into my K3 at 7040.3 KHz.  I'm 
> trying to use it for trouble shooting a problem on a transceiver kit and 
> there's something that I don't understand.  When I try to measure the 50 
> uV (S9) signal with a Siglent SDS 1102 CML scope, I get nothing (no 
> signal). I've tried it with the XG2 antenna connector open, and with it 
> connected to a good 50 ohm dummy load.

From hsherriff at reagan.com  Tue May  9 15:17:29 2017
From: hsherriff at reagan.com (Harlan Sherriff)
Date: Tue, 9 May 2017 15:17:29 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] XG2 Sig. Generator
In-Reply-To: <em7dcae734-c5a9-4794-aaf3-ae183f593aa6@randy-custom>
References: <em7dcae734-c5a9-4794-aaf3-ae183f593aa6@randy-custom>
Message-ID: <D4D18253-C702-4DFD-9DE6-73047774AB8E@reagan.com>

Just a quick thought, are you using a 10:1 probe? If so, you would only be getting 5 uV to the scope.

Harlan 
K4HES

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 9, 2017, at 1:49 PM, Randy Moore <wrmoore47 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I have a trusty Elecraft XG2 S9 Signal Generator that I've used for years. It produces a nice S9 signal into my K3 at 7040.3 KHz.  I'm trying to use it for trouble shooting a problem on a transceiver kit and there's something that I don't understand.  When I try to measure the 50 uV (S9) signal with a Siglent SDS 1102 CML scope, I get nothing (no signal). I've tried it with the XG2 antenna connector open, and with it connected to a good 50 ohm dummy load.  I'm measuring at the XG2 antenna connector (center conductor) with the scope probe grounded on the large 50 uV/1 uV switch which is grounded to the XG2 circuit board ground.
> 
> I'm able to measure other signals of about the same amplitude and frequency.
> 
> Are my expectations wrong, or am I doing something wrong???
> 
> 73,
> Randy, KS4L
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From n6kr at elecraft.com  Tue May  9 15:28:54 2017
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Tue, 9 May 2017 12:28:54 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Pizza/QSO Today Podcast meet-up, Menlo Park (TONIGHT)
Message-ID: <32F9972A-4F4B-498E-B1D5-0AFF96588E7B@elecraft.com>

Hi all,

My good friend Eric Guth (4Z1UG), host of the QSO Today Podcast, is in town for a visit. He and I are hosting a get-together for some of his fans, but it's open to anyone. We'll have a KX2 to play with, stories to share, etc. And all the Dutch-Treat pizza you can eat :)  Disclaimer: beer may be consumed during this event. 

Here's the info: 

>> Round Table Pizza, 1225 El Camino Real, Menlo Park, (650) 321-6861.

Sorry for the late notice. 

73,
Wayne
N6KR


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From ve3dss at hotmail.com  Tue May  9 15:39:50 2017
From: ve3dss at hotmail.com (Dana Shtun)
Date: Tue, 9 May 2017 19:39:50 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd:  VHF+UHF Radio Wish List
References: <FEE9F15C-26CB-49D2-BF24-A50A82FBDD47@acanac.net>
Message-ID: <SN1PR11MB0749650C793E504051C16DC98BEF0@SN1PR11MB0749.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>



I came across this ?Mother of all switch units?  from Terry K8ZN o
f Directive Systems , and the Grid Pirates. I had read about it in QST and filed the idea away for future use?

Then I bought a K3!   and was pondering how to connect all my transverters, all from different manufacturers or Home brew..in a way that would take advantage of the K3
s great transverter tools!

This was the ?missing link? for VHF UHF!

BTW:  The elecraft external band switch is ALSO very capable and will work on HF or VHF/UHF, but it requires a bit more hardware, however the HF guys have sorted all this out
and a lot of it is applicable to VHF UHF as well, but its not as compact as the MOASU.

With a bit of modification Terry?s board talks to the K3 via the RS232 port - the original design was computer driven via RS232.
This was featured in the World Above in QST in 2008  and here is the link
to the Grid Pirates web? http://www.k8gp.net/station-equipment/moasu or e mail Terry. He may have boards and parts left.It is capable of switching
12 bands?but the K3 can only handle 10 if memory serves.

I drive 2x24 V rotary switches from the board, one switches the 28 MHz IF from the K3 for 222 and 432, and the other uses the 144 Mhz IF for my microwave transverters, plus 144 and 50
as well there are on board relays that move a Demi 4 port sequencer from band to band via a set of 3 phono plugs per band, on the back.
Ive also modified it to provide 12 and 24 V switched output for relays and
also integrated a G4FRE / WW2R band decoder board into it just to give me a full frequency display? ie 2304.1000 rather than 304.1000 on the K3.

It all works great, I can jump from 50 through 2304 just by switching bands on the K3.

I will never part with my K3, unless I go with a k3S that is?.

73 Dana VE3DS


From ve2fww at globetrotter.net  Tue May  9 16:19:46 2017
From: ve2fww at globetrotter.net (NOEL POULIN)
Date: Tue, 09 May 2017 16:19:46 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] OT
Message-ID: <f5552d31-642a-d054-ece1-aa81d3fca5fb@globetrotter.net>

Hi to all, I would like to get in touch with PETER, NX2X, anybody has 
his e-mail please...
Thanks
Noel

From g4gnx at g4gnx.com  Tue May  9 16:53:22 2017
From: g4gnx at g4gnx.com (G4GNX)
Date: Tue, 9 May 2017 21:53:22 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd:  VHF+UHF Radio Wish List
In-Reply-To: <SN1PR11MB0749650C793E504051C16DC98BEF0@SN1PR11MB0749.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>
References: <FEE9F15C-26CB-49D2-BF24-A50A82FBDD47@acanac.net>
	<SN1PR11MB0749650C793E504051C16DC98BEF0@SN1PR11MB0749.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <D1A9F6E56AE14FA3BBE737CE71A91D1C@G4GNXLaptop>

Unfortunately the www.k8gp.net address below does not work for me on this 
side of the pond (UK). Any suggestions?

73,

Alan. G4GNX

-----Original Message----- 
From: Dana Shtun
Sent: Tuesday, May 9, 2017 8:39 PM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: VHF+UHF Radio Wish List



I came across this ?Mother of all switch units?  from Terry K8ZN o
f Directive Systems , and the Grid Pirates. I had read about it in QST and 
filed the idea away for future use?

Then I bought a K3!   and was pondering how to connect all my transverters, 
all from different manufacturers or Home brew..in a way that would take 
advantage of the K3
s great transverter tools!

This was the ?missing link? for VHF UHF!

BTW:  The elecraft external band switch is ALSO very capable and will work 
on HF or VHF/UHF, but it requires a bit more hardware, however the HF guys 
have sorted all this out
and a lot of it is applicable to VHF UHF as well, but its not as compact as 
the MOASU.

With a bit of modification Terry?s board talks to the K3 via the RS232 
port - the original design was computer driven via RS232.
This was featured in the World Above in QST in 2008  and here is the link
to the Grid Pirates web? http://www.k8gp.net/station-equipment/moasu or e 
mail Terry. He may have boards and parts left.It is capable of switching
12 bands?but the K3 can only handle 10 if memory serves.

I drive 2x24 V rotary switches from the board, one switches the 28 MHz IF 
from the K3 for 222 and 432, and the other uses the 144 Mhz IF for my 
microwave transverters, plus 144 and 50
as well there are on board relays that move a Demi 4 port sequencer from 
band to band via a set of 3 phono plugs per band, on the back.
Ive also modified it to provide 12 and 24 V switched output for relays and
also integrated a G4FRE / WW2R band decoder board into it just to give me a 
full frequency display? ie 2304.1000 rather than 304.1000 on the K3.

It all works great, I can jump from 50 through 2304 just by switching bands 
on the K3.

I will never part with my K3, unless I go with a k3S that is?.

73 Dana VE3DS


From g8kbvdave at googlemail.com  Tue May  9 17:38:21 2017
From: g8kbvdave at googlemail.com (Dave B)
Date: Tue, 9 May 2017 22:38:21 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] GPS Disciplined 10MHZ source from China
In-Reply-To: <mailman.37542.1494363207.7384.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
References: <mailman.37542.1494363207.7384.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID: <b2f36a6a-dcd0-f19f-e3bc-a4bd49fb30f5@googlemail.com>

OK, so what was the "Item Number" on the bay?   As I'm unable to find
that seller to see what exactly it was you purchased.

Or, what is the make/model number of it (if it's an ex commercial item,
such as a Thunderbolt.)

The devil is in the detail with these things.

73
Dave G0WBX


On 09/05/17 21:53, elecraft-request at mailman.qth.net wrote:
> Date: Mon, 8 May 2017 16:26:10 -0600
> From: "Jay Miller" <jayfmiller at mindspring.com>
> To: <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: [Elecraft] GPS Disciplined 10MHZ source from China
> Message-ID: <001001d2c84a$1881a390$4984eab0$@mindspring.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="us-ascii"
>
> I was curious so I bought a GPS disciplined 10MHz source from China using
> the eBay seller "cybereveryday."  I have a calibrated scope and a Rubidium
> 10MHz source. I noticed a frequency offset on three of the WWV frequencies
> when I plugged it into the K3 XREF module after getting "GPS Lock" rather
> than using my Rubidium lamp standard   I measured the 10MHz output from the
> GPSDO and it is 10,000,025 Hz. (2.5 PPM) The eBay ad states "Accuracy: than
> above OXCO 2 order of magnitude."  The point is, even using the K3 zero-beat
> method with 15 MHz WWV I can get closer to being dead on frequency than
> using this Chinese mfg. GPSDO. Again, Elecraft quality and engineering WINS.
>
>  
>
> Jay Miller, N4NUI


From wes_n7ws at triconet.org  Tue May  9 17:48:11 2017
From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes Stewart)
Date: Tue, 9 May 2017 14:48:11 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] GPS Disciplined 10MHZ source from China
In-Reply-To: <ce2e560a-c90d-d943-af3e-89bd0d0bb35d@lamont.me.uk>
References: <001001d2c84a$1881a390$4984eab0$@mindspring.com>
	<ce2e560a-c90d-d943-af3e-89bd0d0bb35d@lamont.me.uk>
Message-ID: <a573b155-1a41-b908-f75b-f1a5d9528901@triconet.org>

Two Christmases ago, my fiance asked me what I wanted for a gift.  On a whim, 
without too much study, I said a Bodnar GPSDO.  I emailed Leo and inquired about 
using the unit as a reference for my SDR-IQ (66.6666 MHz) and a 10 MHz source 
for my DG8SAQ network analyzer which can also operate as a frequency counter.

He sent me a screen shot of the software display that showed the variables that 
determine the two frequencies.  Unfortunately, the calculations to set different 
frequencies are obscure.  After several inquiries (after the purchase) he sent 
me a link to the internal device data sheet (Silicon Labs Si5328) for me to 
decipher.  QST had this to say about that:

"A couple of caveats: there is currently
no documentation for the unit other than
what Bill Hein has provided on the Force
12 website, and no schematic. Bodnar is
working on an improved version of the
setup software, and documentation may
follow, but I was not able to test the updated
software...."

In reality, there is no updated software and Force 12 is gone.

Summary:

I believe the hardware is fine, however the documentation and communication with 
Leo, after the purchase but not before, is iffy.

When locked to GPS it's an excellent frequency reference.  When unlocked, it's a 
TCXO and not so good. Phase noise isn't stellar.

It's a frequency standard and not a time standard. If you want to set your clock 
use WWV or NTP.

Wes  N7WS


On 5/9/2017 1:41 AM, Richard Lamont wrote:
>
> If you want a good quality 10 MHz GPSDO, I recommend the one made by Leo
> Bodnar M0XER. It was reviewed in QST, June 2016.
>
> https://leobodnar.com/
>
> 73,
> Richard G4DYA
>


From n6kr at elecraft.com  Tue May  9 18:13:18 2017
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Tue, 9 May 2017 15:13:18 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Pizza/QSO Today Podcast meet-up, Menlo Park (TONIGHT)
In-Reply-To: <32F9972A-4F4B-498E-B1D5-0AFF96588E7B@elecraft.com>
References: <32F9972A-4F4B-498E-B1D5-0AFF96588E7B@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <F1260DA9-A8FD-4A4F-86F4-B5C6115813CE@elecraft.com>

To all who asked:  7:30 PM. (Isn?t that the obligatory start time for anything involving pizza?)

Wayne
N6KR



> On May 9, 2017, at 12:28 PM, Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> My good friend Eric Guth (4Z1UG), host of the QSO Today Podcast, is in town for a visit. He and I are hosting a get-together for some of his fans, but it's open to anyone. We'll have a KX2 to play with, stories to share, etc. And all the Dutch-Treat pizza you can eat :)  Disclaimer: beer may be consumed during this event. 
> 
> Here's the info: 
> 
>>> Round Table Pizza, 1225 El Camino Real, Menlo Park, (650) 321-6861.
> 
> Sorry for the late notice. 
> 
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR
> 
> 
> ----
> http://www.elecraft.com


From mzilmer at roadrunner.com  Tue May  9 18:18:39 2017
From: mzilmer at roadrunner.com (Matt Zilmer)
Date: Tue, 9 May 2017 15:18:39 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Pizza/QSO Today Podcast meet-up, Menlo Park (TONIGHT)
In-Reply-To: <F1260DA9-A8FD-4A4F-86F4-B5C6115813CE@elecraft.com>
References: <32F9972A-4F4B-498E-B1D5-0AFF96588E7B@elecraft.com>
	<F1260DA9-A8FD-4A4F-86F4-B5C6115813CE@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <f48698e8-6566-37a2-3031-a78ffd910081@roadrunner.com>

Whereas 6 PM is the obligatory start time for beer sipping.

73,

matt W6NIA


On 5/9/2017 3:13 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
> To all who asked:  7:30 PM. (Isn?t that the obligatory start time for anything involving pizza?)
>
> Wayne
> N6KR
>
>
>
>> On May 9, 2017, at 12:28 PM, Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> My good friend Eric Guth (4Z1UG), host of the QSO Today Podcast, is in town for a visit. He and I are hosting a get-together for some of his fans, but it's open to anyone. We'll have a KX2 to play with, stories to share, etc. And all the Dutch-Treat pizza you can eat :)  Disclaimer: beer may be consumed during this event.
>>
>> Here's the info:
>>
>>>> Round Table Pizza, 1225 El Camino Real, Menlo Park, (650) 321-6861.
>> Sorry for the late notice.
>>
>> 73,
>> Wayne
>> N6KR
>>
>>
>> ----
>> http://www.elecraft.com
> ______________________________________________________________
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-- 
"A delay is better than a disaster."
-- unknown

Matt Zilmer, W6NIA
[Shiraz]


From hsherriff at reagan.com  Tue May  9 18:38:37 2017
From: hsherriff at reagan.com (Harlan Sherriff)
Date: Tue, 9 May 2017 18:38:37 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Pizza/QSO Today Podcast meet-up, Menlo Park (TONIGHT)
In-Reply-To: <f48698e8-6566-37a2-3031-a78ffd910081@roadrunner.com>
References: <32F9972A-4F4B-498E-B1D5-0AFF96588E7B@elecraft.com>
	<F1260DA9-A8FD-4A4F-86F4-B5C6115813CE@elecraft.com>
	<f48698e8-6566-37a2-3031-a78ffd910081@roadrunner.com>
Message-ID: <E3AADE01-781F-4B96-A7FB-A5B84D369556@reagan.com>

Actually, it's 5:00 somewhere!!!!!

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 9, 2017, at 6:18 PM, Matt Zilmer <mzilmer at roadrunner.com> wrote:
> 
> Whereas 6 PM is the obligatory start time for beer sipping.
> 
> 73,
> 
> matt W6NIA
> 
> 
>> On 5/9/2017 3:13 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
>> To all who asked:  7:30 PM. (Isn?t that the obligatory start time for anything involving pizza?)
>> 
>> Wayne
>> N6KR
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On May 9, 2017, at 12:28 PM, Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> My good friend Eric Guth (4Z1UG), host of the QSO Today Podcast, is in town for a visit. He and I are hosting a get-together for some of his fans, but it's open to anyone. We'll have a KX2 to play with, stories to share, etc. And all the Dutch-Treat pizza you can eat :)  Disclaimer: beer may be consumed during this event.
>>> 
>>> Here's the info:
>>> 
>>>>> Round Table Pizza, 1225 El Camino Real, Menlo Park, (650) 321-6861.
>>> Sorry for the late notice.
>>> 
>>> 73,
>>> Wayne
>>> N6KR
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ----
>>> http://www.elecraft.com
>> ______________________________________________________________
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>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
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> 
> -- 
> "A delay is better than a disaster."
> -- unknown
> 
> Matt Zilmer, W6NIA
> [Shiraz]
> 
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From k6dgw at foothill.net  Tue May  9 19:31:19 2017
From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen)
Date: Tue, 9 May 2017 16:31:19 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Pizza/QSO Today Podcast meet-up, Menlo Park (TONIGHT)
In-Reply-To: <E3AADE01-781F-4B96-A7FB-A5B84D369556@reagan.com>
References: <32F9972A-4F4B-498E-B1D5-0AFF96588E7B@elecraft.com>
	<F1260DA9-A8FD-4A4F-86F4-B5C6115813CE@elecraft.com>
	<f48698e8-6566-37a2-3031-a78ffd910081@roadrunner.com>
	<E3AADE01-781F-4B96-A7FB-A5B84D369556@reagan.com>
Message-ID: <c33e2540-44a7-b4c2-c802-55021a53fd7a@foothill.net>

I believe that would involve a Cheesburger, not pizza.

73,

Fred ("Skip") K6DGW
Sparks NV USA
Washoe County DM09dn

On 5/9/2017 3:38 PM, Harlan Sherriff via Elecraft wrote:
> Actually, it's 5:00 somewhere!!!!!
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On May 9, 2017, at 6:18 PM, Matt Zilmer <mzilmer at roadrunner.com> wrote:
>>
>> Whereas 6 PM is the obligatory start time for beer sipping.
>>
>> 73,
>>
>> matt W6NIA
>>
>>
>>> On 5/9/2017 3:13 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
>>> To all who asked:  7:30 PM. (Isn?t that the obligatory start time for anything involving pizza?)
>>>
>>> Wayne
>>> N6KR
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On May 9, 2017, at 12:28 PM, Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> My good friend Eric Guth (4Z1UG), host of the QSO Today Podcast, is in town for a visit. He and I are hosting a get-together for some of his fans, but it's open to anyone. We'll have a KX2 to play with, stories to share, etc. And all the Dutch-Treat pizza you can eat :)  Disclaimer: beer may be consumed during this event.
>>>>
>>>> Here's the info:
>>>>
>>>>>> Round Table Pizza, 1225 El Camino Real, Menlo Park, (650) 321-6861.
>>>> Sorry for the late notice.
>>>>
>>>> 73,
>>>> Wayne
>>>> N6KR
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----
>>>> http://www.elecraft.com
>>> ______________________________________________________________
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>> -- 
>> "A delay is better than a disaster."
>> -- unknown
>>
>> Matt Zilmer, W6NIA
>> [Shiraz]
>>
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From randyn1kwf at gmail.com  Tue May  9 19:33:30 2017
From: randyn1kwf at gmail.com (Randy Lake)
Date: Tue, 9 May 2017 19:33:30 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] 10Mhz sig source for 2m terest/eme...specific question
Message-ID: <CACnmA1MCUR2c=nU_vBRy6AL9ctmL7TpGWUxpPOty4U4-S+_6rQ@mail.gmail.com>

Good evening all. After seeing all the posts on GPSDO's I need a bit of
advice and clarification.
I have a K3 with new Synth boards (main and sub). I am thinking I need
equipment for freq stabilization/reference. I am looking at all of the
following and am not sure if I actually need all or any, and if I should,
do I need all of the following:
Will be using -  *K144XV
<http://www.elecraft.com/manual/K144XV%20Data%20Sheet%20rev%204sm.pdf>
Internal
2 M 10w Option*
*KTCXO3-1  TCXO*
*K3EXREF*  *Ext. Frequency Reference Input*
*K144RFLK  K144XV Reference Lock Board *
Leo Bodnar GPS Frequency Reference (or something similar)
Any guidance will be greatly appreciated!
-- 
Randy Lake N1KWF
73 Gunn Rd.
Keene,NH

From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Tue May  9 20:10:32 2017
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Tue, 9 May 2017 20:10:32 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] 10Mhz sig source for 2m terest/eme...specific
	question
In-Reply-To: <CACnmA1MCUR2c=nU_vBRy6AL9ctmL7TpGWUxpPOty4U4-S+_6rQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACnmA1MCUR2c=nU_vBRy6AL9ctmL7TpGWUxpPOty4U4-S+_6rQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <509f305c-bd70-daac-39c5-96edd12aa248@embarqmail.com>

Randy,

The External Reference will lock no matter which TCXO is used.  Yes, 
both the standard +/- 5ppm and +/-1ppm TCXOs are true TCXOs.
The difference between the two will be the desired short term 
temperature stability when the External Reference is not active.

I think the rest of your list is accurate.

Your choice of the external reference type is quite apart from this 
response.  I have the Thunderbolt and am quite happy with it.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 5/9/2017 7:33 PM, Randy Lake wrote:
> Good evening all. After seeing all the posts on GPSDO's I need a bit of
> advice and clarification.
> I have a K3 with new Synth boards (main and sub). I am thinking I need
> equipment for freq stabilization/reference. I am looking at all of the
> following and am not sure if I actually need all or any, and if I should,
> do I need all of the following:
> Will be using -  *K144XV
> <http://www.elecraft.com/manual/K144XV%20Data%20Sheet%20rev%204sm.pdf>
> Internal
> 2 M 10w Option*
> *KTCXO3-1  TCXO*
> *K3EXREF*  *Ext. Frequency Reference Input*
> *K144RFLK  K144XV Reference Lock Board *
> Leo Bodnar GPS Frequency Reference (or something similar)
> Any guidance will be greatly appreciated!

From ppauly at gmail.com  Tue May  9 20:20:07 2017
From: ppauly at gmail.com (Peter Pauly)
Date: Tue, 9 May 2017 20:20:07 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Pizza/QSO Today Podcast meet-up, Menlo Park (TONIGHT)
In-Reply-To: <c33e2540-44a7-b4c2-c802-55021a53fd7a@foothill.net>
References: <32F9972A-4F4B-498E-B1D5-0AFF96588E7B@elecraft.com>
	<F1260DA9-A8FD-4A4F-86F4-B5C6115813CE@elecraft.com>
	<f48698e8-6566-37a2-3031-a78ffd910081@roadrunner.com>
	<E3AADE01-781F-4B96-A7FB-A5B84D369556@reagan.com>
	<c33e2540-44a7-b4c2-c802-55021a53fd7a@foothill.net>
Message-ID: <CAKXfWbQvrG82==nJNEQGekpFbe-YAAGdgmnLgpEy3QO2QmvGZg@mail.gmail.com>

Are you going to live-stream the meeting via JT65?

On Tue, May 9, 2017 at 7:31 PM, Fred Jensen <k6dgw at foothill.net> wrote:

> I believe that would involve a Cheesburger, not pizza.
>
> 73,
>
> Fred ("Skip") K6DGW
> Sparks NV USA
> Washoe County DM09dn
>
>
> On 5/9/2017 3:38 PM, Harlan Sherriff via Elecraft wrote:
>
>> Actually, it's 5:00 somewhere!!!!!
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On May 9, 2017, at 6:18 PM, Matt Zilmer <mzilmer at roadrunner.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Whereas 6 PM is the obligatory start time for beer sipping.
>>>
>>> 73,
>>>
>>> matt W6NIA
>>>
>>>
>>> On 5/9/2017 3:13 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
>>>> To all who asked:  7:30 PM. (Isn?t that the obligatory start time for
>>>> anything involving pizza?)
>>>>
>>>> Wayne
>>>> N6KR
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On May 9, 2017, at 12:28 PM, Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>
>>>>> My good friend Eric Guth (4Z1UG), host of the QSO Today Podcast, is in
>>>>> town for a visit. He and I are hosting a get-together for some of his fans,
>>>>> but it's open to anyone. We'll have a KX2 to play with, stories to share,
>>>>> etc. And all the Dutch-Treat pizza you can eat :)  Disclaimer: beer may be
>>>>> consumed during this event.
>>>>>
>>>>> Here's the info:
>>>>>
>>>>> Round Table Pizza, 1225 El Camino Real, Menlo Park, (650) 321-6861.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sorry for the late notice.
>>>>>
>>>>> 73,
>>>>> Wayne
>>>>> N6KR
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ----
>>>>> http://www.elecraft.com
>>>>>
>>>> ______________________________________________________________
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>>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
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>>>>
>>> --
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>>> -- unknown
>>>
>>> Matt Zilmer, W6NIA
>>> [Shiraz]
>>>
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From w2lj at verizon.net  Tue May  9 20:43:10 2017
From: w2lj at verizon.net (Larry W2LJ)
Date: Tue, 09 May 2017 20:43:10 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] NAQCC May Sprint this Wednesday Evening
Message-ID: <c433cc9c14eca3479f3a5ddc45f59fdb@192.168.1.6>

The May NAQCC sprint is this coming Wednesday evening local time (May 10th,
EDT - 8:30-10:30PM, CDT - 7:30-9:30PM, MDT - 6:30-8:30PM, PDT - 5:30-7:30PM),
which translates as Thursday,May 11th, 0030 to 0230Z in all cases.

For all the "official" information, please go to:

http://naqcc.info/sprint/sprint201705.html

There you will find all the details as to time, frequencies and other important
information.

Certificates: SWA (simple wire antennas) certificates by call area, VE and DX
for 1st, 2nd and 3rd place finishers (New!). A Certificate for top score in the
GAIN antenna category.

Prizes: Too many to list!! - check out the prizes page on our website.

This is a monthly event that caters to the CW veteran, the CW newcomer, straight
key and bug fans. All are welcome to participate (this includes QRO); but you
must use QRP power levels to compete for awards.

If you've been hesitant to join in our sprints because you hear other sprints
running at breakneck speeds, have no fear. Our sprints are geared to the
newcomer to CW and/or contesting. Virtually everyone including the many veteran
contesters who regularly enter our sprints will slow down to YOUR speed to help
you make your contacts.

If you are not already a member of NAQCC... membership is FREE! Now is your
chance to join the largest QRP CW Club in the world!! We currently have 7100+
members in: All 50 States - 9 VE Provinces - 100 Countries. Sign up on the
NAQCC website today (http://naqcc.info/) and receive a handsome certificate,
with your membership number on it, which is good for life.

Come join us and have a real good time!


72/73 de Larry W2LJ
NAQCC #35

for NAQCC
http://naqcc.info/

From n6tv at arrl.net  Wed May 10 04:46:04 2017
From: n6tv at arrl.net (Bob Wilson, N6TV)
Date: Wed, 10 May 2017 01:46:04 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] "The Y-BOX" is now back in stock in limited
	quantities
Message-ID: <CAOmNKG+Ran_XnetUu8sBWHUFf6CsgFV9OjtU3TUUBDRcToQTYA@mail.gmail.com>

(The Y-BOX is a 4-way Accessory Port Splitter and Breakout Box for the K3
-- see https://bit.ly/Y-BOX)

Thanks everyone for all the orders and kind reviews (see
https://www.eham.net/reviews/detail/13296).

I've worked my way through the waiting list, and all outstanding Y-BOX
orders have now been fulfilled or invoiced.  I now have a small inventory
of about 10 units left in stock that I can ship immediately.  After that,
I'll have to wait for sufficient demand to build up (on the waiting list)
before I'll be able to order more boards, and this could take a while
(future demand is very hard for me to predict).

FYI, I am planning to bring a unit to display at the Elecraft booth at
Dayton.

International shipping via USPS Priority International Mail is now
available.

Please refer to https://bit.ly/Y-BOX for ordering info.

Thanks!

73,
Bob, N6TV

From jim at w5la.net  Wed May 10 07:50:58 2017
From: jim at w5la.net (Jim Ragsdale)
Date: Wed, 10 May 2017 06:50:58 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] KTS1 Tilt Stand for K1
Message-ID: <4cb704fd-e4df-06dd-a12d-7c1456ebdd8a@w5la.net>

Does Elecraft still sell the KTS1 tilt stand for the K1? If not, does 
anyone know of an alternative?

73, Jim W5LA

From palle at oz1rh.com  Wed May 10 08:44:49 2017
From: palle at oz1rh.com (Palle Preben-Hansen, OZ1RH)
Date: Wed, 10 May 2017 14:44:49 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] No USB audio output from K3/0 Mini
Message-ID: <CAOgtrSmNAwGpYn-L2xh1zm8qDCN1sRJEkvo=Q9jYgtDqbwebsg@mail.gmail.com>

I have a running K3-Remote setup with Remoterig boxes, K3/0 Mini
and RRMINICBL & RRMTCBL cable sets. Everything but the USB audio to/from
the K3/0 Mini works. I have a USB cable from the K3/0 Mini to my pc at the
control site. A USB audio device is created on my Win 10 pc, but using
this USB audio device from WSJT-X version 1.7.0 the program gets no
audio. The K3 and K3/0 Mini has firmware 5.57.

According to www.elecraft.com/K3-Remote/k3_remote.htm this should work: *The
K3/0-Mini comes with built-in USB support using the USB audio CODEC & FTDI
technology.*

On the Remoterig Forum at www.remoterig.com/forum/index.php there are some
posts on this problem, but no solution. I have also in vain searched
www.mail-archive.com/elecraft at mailman.qth.net/maillist.html I hope the
Elecraft experts here can help.

73, Palle, OZ1RH
www.oz1rh.com

From kk5f at earthlink.net  Wed May 10 09:32:52 2017
From: kk5f at earthlink.net (Mike Morrow)
Date: Wed, 10 May 2017 08:32:52 -0500 (GMT-05:00)
Subject: [Elecraft] KTS1 Tilt Stand for K1
Message-ID: <4795678.2196.1494423173454@mswamui-bichon.atl.sa.earthlink.net>


> Does Elecraft still sell the KTS1 tilt stand for the K1? If not,
> does anyone know of an alternative?
>
>73, Jim W5LA

The KTS1 has been discontinued for many years.

I found it to be a grossly over-engineered and complex solution to what most owners likely would have preferred...just some sort of simple bale that remained attached and could be folded down in two seconds to prop up the front.

There were a couple of simple third-party alternatives available 15 years ago.  All development of new K1 features and options ceased by 2002.

Mike / KK5F

From brianpepperdine at sympatico.ca  Wed May 10 10:49:16 2017
From: brianpepperdine at sympatico.ca (brianpepperdine brianpepperdine)
Date: Wed, 10 May 2017 10:49:16 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Elecraft] K1 stand tilt bail  - you brew it as below
Message-ID: <1642210723.1660348.1494427756603.JavaMail.open-xchange@mtlgui01>


From paule408 at yahoo.com  Wed May 10 13:00:54 2017
From: paule408 at yahoo.com (paule408 at yahoo.com)
Date: Wed, 10 May 2017 17:00:54 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] OT Elecraft K3 and KAT500 for Sale
References: <1234362313.454036.1494435654222.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1234362313.454036.1494435654222@mail.yahoo.com>

I have the following items for Sale:
1)?Elecraft K3?serial # 556.Elecraft, factory made, recently serviced and calibrated.This radio has never left my non smoking shack (no DXpeditions)
Recently had numerous updates at Elecraft factory.?
Single receiver.
Price is $1250 or best offer.?
2)?Elecraft KAT500 Tuner. This tuner was factory assembled and works great. Price $475.00 ?This tuner currently retails for $675.
3)?Kenwood TS590S. ?$900 OBO.?
Please email me direct if you have any questions.?
Thank you!
Paul N6PSEpauln6pse at gmail.com

From mails at qrp4fun.de  Wed May 10 13:30:47 2017
From: mails at qrp4fun.de (Ingo Meyer, DK3RED)
Date: Wed, 10 May 2017 19:30:47 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] [KPA1500] Input Power
Message-ID: <304ba697-090d-0122-e780-9a1f45d71bc6@qrp4fun.de>

Hello Elecrafter,


I have read the FAQ for the KPA1500. But there are no informations neither to the minimal 
or maximal input power nor to the gain. Or did I miss something?


73/72 de Ingo, DK3RED - Don't forget: the fun is the power!
www.qrp4fun.de - dk3red at qrp4fun.de

From dave at lanks.plus.com  Wed May 10 15:17:43 2017
From: dave at lanks.plus.com (Dave Lankshear)
Date: Wed, 10 May 2017 20:17:43 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft]  FS XG2, AT1
Message-ID: <2D0989861A454155884A7800E0A074A8@DaveLLaptop>

Both very well built and working as per design.  Selling as I?ve upgraded to
an XG3 and SARK-110 and also have an 80dB switchable attenuator.

 

XG2 ?45, AT1 ?28 + P&P.  (P&P to NA is around ?5.50).  No problems filling
in a CN2 for sending overseas.

 

Thanks & 73 Dave G3TJP


From brianpepperdine at sympatico.ca  Wed May 10 15:23:55 2017
From: brianpepperdine at sympatico.ca (brianpepperdine brianpepperdine)
Date: Wed, 10 May 2017 15:23:55 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Elecraft] home made K1 bail tilt stand
Message-ID: <880686006.1680490.1494444235165.JavaMail.open-xchange@mtlgui01>


From mails at qrp4fun.de  Wed May 10 16:05:38 2017
From: mails at qrp4fun.de (Ingo Meyer, DK3RED)
Date: Wed, 10 May 2017 22:05:38 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] KTS1 Tilt Stand for K1
In-Reply-To: <4cb704fd-e4df-06dd-a12d-7c1456ebdd8a@w5la.net>
References: <4cb704fd-e4df-06dd-a12d-7c1456ebdd8a@w5la.net>
Message-ID: <f7519c19-f253-0ec0-56dc-c472faf3b74a@qrp4fun.de>

Hello Jim,


> Does Elecraft still sell the KTS1 tilt stand for the K1? If not, does anyone know of an
> alternative?

There is an alternative on the website of KR1ST.

<www.kr1st.com/ft817stand.htm>

It's designed for a FT-817, but also usable for all small transceivers.


73/72 de Ingo, DK3RED - Don't forget: the fun is the power!
www.qrp4fun.de - dk3red at qrp4fun.de

From ken at nicelyweb.com  Wed May 10 16:15:38 2017
From: ken at nicelyweb.com (Ken Nicely)
Date: Wed, 10 May 2017 16:15:38 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3/100 for sale
Message-ID: <CABMgcaL2JccBX-tg8sRtL9tzN9dnCaakJ850d+o7P8oJgWKKzQ@mail.gmail.com>

Electaft K3/100, 100 Watt, with 2nd receiver, general coverage module, 2
Meter module, internal tuner, transverter IF, voice recorder and 9
filters.  Below is a total list with the prices I paid.  Serial number
3115.  $4,863 invested.  Working perfectly. I am asking $3,200.


K3/100-F    $2089.95    1     K3 100W Xcvr.
KAT3-F      $329.95     1     K3 ATU
KUSB        $39.95      1     Univ. Ser Bus Adapt.
KXV3A       $99.95      1     K3 RX Ant, IF Out & Xvrtr Int

KRX3        $599.95     1     K3 2nd RX
KBPF3       $139.95     1     K3 Gen. Cov. RX Module
K144XV-K    $299.95     1     K3 Int. 2 M Module Kit
KDVR3       $129.95     1     K3 Dig. Voice Recorder

KFL3A-250   $125.95     2     K3 250 Hz, 8 pole filter
KFL3A-400   $125.95     2     K3 400 Hz, 8 pole filter
KFL3A-1.8K  $125.95     2     K3 1.8 kHz, 8 pole filter
KFL3A-2.8K  $125.95     1     K3 2.8 kHz, 8 pole filter
KFL3A-6K    $125.95     1     K3 6 kHz, 8 pole filter
KFL3B-FM    $125.95     1     K3 FM b/w filter

Prices do not include shipping. Buyer pays actual shipping.  I will be at
Dayton so it could deliver there as well..

I can send photos to interested buyers.

Contact Ken KE3C at kenAtNicelywebDotCom.

From joberreu-elecraft at moselle.com  Wed May 10 15:56:32 2017
From: joberreu-elecraft at moselle.com (Jessie Oberreuter)
Date: Wed, 10 May 2017 12:56:32 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Elecraft] KTS1 Tilt Stand for K1
In-Reply-To: <4cb704fd-e4df-06dd-a12d-7c1456ebdd8a@w5la.net>
References: <4cb704fd-e4df-06dd-a12d-7c1456ebdd8a@w5la.net>
Message-ID: <alpine.BSF.2.00.1705101251360.61995@tara.technosattva.org>


      Try LapWorks Laptop Legs.  The grey ones (if you can find them) are 
almost an exact color match.

 	http://www.laptopdesk.net/laptop-legs.html

      They can be configured for three different heights (flat, low, high), 
and the flat setting is, for all intents and purposes, a height match to 
the stock rubber feet :).

-kb7psg


On Wed, 10 May 2017, Jim Ragsdale wrote:

> Does Elecraft still sell the KTS1 tilt stand for the K1? If not, does anyone 
> know of an alternative?
>
> 73, Jim W5LA
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From brianpepperdine at sympatico.ca  Wed May 10 16:41:09 2017
From: brianpepperdine at sympatico.ca (Brian)
Date: Wed, 10 May 2017 20:41:09 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] K1 tilt stand bail build info _ one more try sorry
	listers
Message-ID: <DM5PR20MB162791D3053CC9984BB1355CC3EC0@DM5PR20MB1627.namprd20.prod.outlook.com>

Try this and hoping this paste from a different mail client works.

www.qsl.net/ve3mcf/elecraft_reflect/K1_Tilt_Stand_Alternatives.tx<http://www.qsl.net/ve3mcf/elecraft_reflect/K1_Tilt_Stand_Alternatives.tx>



http://www.qsl.net/ve3mcf/elecraft_reflect/K1_Tilt_Stand_Alternatives.txt


From paul.mcl at gmail.com  Wed May 10 18:34:30 2017
From: paul.mcl at gmail.com (Paul Mclaren)
Date: Wed, 10 May 2017 22:34:30 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Kx3 psu stockist in the UK
Message-ID: <CAJXrojD7NSOW57obfGt2PK9DXUbv=ZR3AT8hnX1=6GSTk4yScg@mail.gmail.com>

I am sure this will have been asked so apologies for the lazy approach and
not searching the archives.

Where in the UK can I buy a small PSU suitable for using with my KX3.
Needs to be lightweight as possible.

Regards and thanks

Paul

From kstover at ac0h.net  Wed May 10 20:09:39 2017
From: kstover at ac0h.net (Kevin Stover, AC0H)
Date: Wed, 10 May 2017 19:09:39 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] [KPA1500] Input Power
In-Reply-To: <304ba697-090d-0122-e780-9a1f45d71bc6@qrp4fun.de>
References: <304ba697-090d-0122-e780-9a1f45d71bc6@qrp4fun.de>
Message-ID: <54e837b0-5d6a-d342-e157-47dc28fd911d@ac0h.net>

The gain limit of 15 dB is set by the FCC. There is a move afoot to have 
them drop that particular requirement but the FCC also moves a "glacial" 
pace. No telling when it might happen.

On 5/10/2017 12:30 PM, Ingo Meyer, DK3RED wrote:
> Hello Elecrafter,
> 
> 
> I have read the FAQ for the KPA1500. But there are no informations 
> neither to the minimal or maximal input power nor to the gain. Or did I 
> miss something?
> 
> 
> 73/72 de Ingo, DK3RED - Don't forget: the fun is the power!
> www.qrp4fun.de - dk3red at qrp4fun.de
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SKCC #215
NAQCC #3441
ARRL

From dave.w8ov at gmail.com  Wed May 10 23:31:04 2017
From: dave.w8ov at gmail.com (David Koch)
Date: Wed, 10 May 2017 22:31:04 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] For Sale: KX3 Base Station
Message-ID: <76db5c12-5ce1-a1d9-4efe-fd398aa0900c@gmail.com>

I am listing this for a friend I've known over 60 years. --Dave W8OV

Elecraft KX3 For Sale
Lightly used, and in a smoke-free environment.

KX3-F           160 - 6M Transceiver, Factory Assembled, Purchased Apr 
2014, S/N 06019
KXBC3-F         Internal NiMH Charger with Real Time Clock, Factory 
Assembled
KXAT3-F         Internal 20 watt Antenna Tuner, Factory Assembled
KXFL3           Dual-Passband Roofing Filter
E850524         Power Cord
KX3-PCKT        KX3 Accessory Cable Set
KXPA100-AT-F    100 Watt Power Amp with internal Antenna Tuner Unit, 
Factory Assembled, S/N 01118
KXPACBL         KX3 to KXPA100 Integrated IO Cable
KX3 Owner?s Manual
KXPA100 Amplifier Owner?s Manual
Fred Cady ?The Elecraft KX3 ? Portable? Operation Book

Sale Price $1950 (Original Purchase Price $2545; current new price about 
$2800)
Buyer Pays Shipping and Insurance (CONUS only)

Contact Dick K8BWE:  727-264-6105 or dbmbtab at gmail.com


From gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk  Thu May 11 04:01:22 2017
From: gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk (David Anderson)
Date: Thu, 11 May 2017 09:01:22 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] GPS Disciplined 10MHZ source from China
In-Reply-To: <009201d2c8cf$3a24c740$ae6e55c0$@arrl.net>
References: <009201d2c8cf$3a24c740$ae6e55c0$@arrl.net>
Message-ID: <5A3F64E5-E2AD-49B2-9A89-B51894AE6D2C@yahoo.co.uk>

The advantage of the Leo Bodnar unit is that it can do a lot more than just act as a fixed 10 MHz reference. It covers the range 450 Hz to 800 MHz, so has many other uses around the shack. 
I use mine for frequency locking the 116 MHz Local oscillator of an a G4DDK Anglian 144 MHz transverter. 

If it is just a 10 MHz reference that is required then other units with better phase noise are available surplus, though be careful as some may require a bit of work if they are very old, however the Chinese do make some very nice 10 MHz GPSDO's which are reasonably priced. I have one and a matching 8 output distribution amplifier which also contains a fallback OCXO within it. I also have a surplus HP Z3801A, it is large, requires a 48V DC power supply, I use it as my main 10 MHz shack and lab reference for microwave counters. 

The Leo Bodnar can be switched on and is locked and stable in about a minute from cold, unlike high accuracy GPSDOs with OCXOs which can take 15 to 30 minutes to reach lock and really are designed to be left switched on and consuming power all the time, so that may be a consideration in a ham station that is not always attended and you want to power everything down for safety or to save electricity.

Lastly if you want a very nice shack GPS time clock. I recently found this USA kit on Tindie.

https://www.tindie.com/products/nsayer/gps-clock/

It is a digital LED clock which is GPS locked. Note it isn't a frequency reference, only a timepiece.
It can display hours minute and seconds plus optionally tenths of a second.

All on one PCB and runs from 5V DC at about 200mA max. I built one and am most impressed. You can have it show local time with auto DST correction, 12 or 24 hour format, or leave it on UTC for the shack. I have not noticed any RFI from it, even in its wooden enclosure.

It does require a GPS Lock to work, so if you live in a basement, unless you mount an antenna outside it won't work. From a cold start it takes about a couple of minutes to lock, sometimes less. I leave mine on as the power consumption is relatively low.

I have no connection with the designer, other than as a customer.


73 from David GM4JJJ

On 9 May 2017, at 15:19, Paul Christensen <w9ac at arrl.net> wrote:

>> "If you want a good quality 10 MHz GPSDO, I recommend the one made by Leo
> Bodnar M0XER. It was reviewed in QST, June 2016."
> 
> Unless the K3S architecture is different than the K3, then frequency, rather
> than phase-locking is used from the external frequency source.  Phase noise
> performance of the GPS-DO doesn't impact performance of the K3 receiver.
> 
> However, if planning on distributing the GPS-DO to other devices, I think
> it's worthwhile to note that the higher-priced version of the Bodnar is
> still > 30 dB worse at a 100 Hz Fc offset than a common Trimble Thunderbolt
> with the Trimble-branded OCXO (not Piezo) when powered from a low-noise,
> lab-grade supply.  For example, typical Trimble PN at 100 Hz is -160 dBc.
> The upper-grade Bodnar unit is about -125 dBc.  
> 
> Compared to what's available on the new and used markets, I agree with G4DYA
> that the Bodnar's performance is probably characterized as good, but not
> excellent.  Again, for K3 users it isn't an issue, but if the device is
> driving other test gear or other transceivers, that 30 dB difference may
> mean a lot.  
> 
> The Thunderbolts were once plentiful on eBay for USD $99.  Scarcity has
> driven that up but with persistence, a watchful eye can still spot one at a
> reasonable price.   
> 
> I ended up installing a Trimble unit and Lambda linear supply into a
> customized enclosure.  It drives a TAPR distribution amp and that supplies a
> precision 10 MHz refence to multiple transceivers and test equipment.  
> 
> http://tinyurl.com/j7r36w5
> 
> Paul, W9AC
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From mails at qrp4fun.de  Thu May 11 12:53:17 2017
From: mails at qrp4fun.de (Ingo Meyer, DK3RED)
Date: Thu, 11 May 2017 18:53:17 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] [KPA1500] Input Power
In-Reply-To: <54e837b0-5d6a-d342-e157-47dc28fd911d@ac0h.net>
References: <304ba697-090d-0122-e780-9a1f45d71bc6@qrp4fun.de>
	<54e837b0-5d6a-d342-e157-47dc28fd911d@ac0h.net>
Message-ID: <25413d7d-1fcf-8999-2eaa-1ed60d8b89fc@qrp4fun.de>

Hello Kevin and all Elecrafter,

> The gain limit of 15 dB is set by the FCC. There is a move afoot to have them drop that
> particular requirement but the FCC also moves a "glacial" pace. No telling when it might
> happen.

Thanks for the answers online an offline!

73/72 de Ingo, DK3RED - Don't forget: the fun is the power!
www.qrp4fun.de - dk3red at qrp4fun.de

From droese at necg.de  Thu May 11 15:02:37 2017
From: droese at necg.de (=?utf-8?Q?Oliver_Dr=C3=B6se?=)
Date: Thu, 11 May 2017 21:02:37 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] No USB audio output from K3/0 Mini
In-Reply-To: <CAOgtrSmNAwGpYn-L2xh1zm8qDCN1sRJEkvo=Q9jYgtDqbwebsg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAOgtrSmNAwGpYn-L2xh1zm8qDCN1sRJEkvo=Q9jYgtDqbwebsg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <EF437DFD-0D47-4D9E-87BD-472F34310729@necg.de>

Hi Palle,

this won't work. TX and RX audio are reversed on the mini's USB port as it's intend is to interface to the PC and use that as a relay to the remote (as an alternative to the RRC boxes). It's a real pity it is not jumper configurable inside as this renders the USB port useless for digital remote ops.

73, Olli - DH8BQA



> Am 10.05.2017 um 14:44 schrieb Palle Preben-Hansen, OZ1RH <palle at oz1rh.com>:
> 
> I have a running K3-Remote setup with Remoterig boxes, K3/0 Mini
> and RRMINICBL & RRMTCBL cable sets. Everything but the USB audio to/from
> the K3/0 Mini works. I have a USB cable from the K3/0 Mini to my pc at the
> control site. A USB audio device is created on my Win 10 pc, but using
> this USB audio device from WSJT-X version 1.7.0 the program gets no
> audio. The K3 and K3/0 Mini has firmware 5.57.
> 
> According to www.elecraft.com/K3-Remote/k3_remote.htm this should work: *The
> K3/0-Mini comes with built-in USB support using the USB audio CODEC & FTDI
> technology.*
> 
> On the Remoterig Forum at www.remoterig.com/forum/index.php there are some
> posts on this problem, but no solution. I have also in vain searched
> www.mail-archive.com/elecraft at mailman.qth.net/maillist.html I hope the
> Elecraft experts here can help.
> 
> 73, Palle, OZ1RH
> www.oz1rh.com
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From idarack at gmail.com  Thu May 11 15:09:18 2017
From: idarack at gmail.com (Irwin Darack)
Date: Thu, 11 May 2017 15:09:18 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Dual Receive on same band in K3s
Message-ID: <CAGC7P24VTME=uUGoAejuud1MHZWmn6E6wiP67DtqzT3aQ9FhRA@mail.gmail.com>

I have a K3s without the sub-receiver installed. Is there a way to listen
to two different frequencies on the same band without a sub-receiver using
a stereo headset ?
Thanks.
-- 
Irwin KD3TB

From jz73 at verizon.net  Thu May 11 15:14:22 2017
From: jz73 at verizon.net (Jon Zaimes)
Date: Thu, 11 May 2017 15:14:22 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Dual Receive on same band in K3s
In-Reply-To: <CAGC7P24VTME=uUGoAejuud1MHZWmn6E6wiP67DtqzT3aQ9FhRA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGC7P24VTME=uUGoAejuud1MHZWmn6E6wiP67DtqzT3aQ9FhRA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <403A7D63-8BD4-4A0B-A1BA-208375803816@verizon.net>

If you set the filtering wide enough....

Jon 

 

Hug your favorite tower every day, and always stay connected to it.

 


> On May 11, 2017, at 3:09 PM, Irwin Darack <idarack at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I have a K3s without the sub-receiver installed. Is there a way to listen
> to two different frequencies on the same band without a sub-receiver using
> a stereo headset ?
> Thanks.
> -- 
> Irwin KD3TB
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From n9aa at arrl.net  Thu May 11 15:25:29 2017
From: n9aa at arrl.net (Scott Manthe)
Date: Thu, 11 May 2017 15:25:29 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Dual Receive on same band in K3s
In-Reply-To: <CAGC7P24VTME=uUGoAejuud1MHZWmn6E6wiP67DtqzT3aQ9FhRA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGC7P24VTME=uUGoAejuud1MHZWmn6E6wiP67DtqzT3aQ9FhRA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e20ccdf6-5204-fe13-cf6d-c35ca637b7c0@arrl.net>

Nope, you will need the sub-receiver to do this.

73,
Scott N9AA

On 5/11/17 3:09 PM, Irwin Darack wrote:
> I have a K3s without the sub-receiver installed. Is there a way to listen
> to two different frequencies on the same band without a sub-receiver using
> a stereo headset ?
> Thanks.



From drzarkof56 at yahoo.com  Thu May 11 16:27:24 2017
From: drzarkof56 at yahoo.com (Doug Millar)
Date: Thu, 11 May 2017 20:27:24 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 VGA Question
References: <1062534407.7509527.1494534444506.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1062534407.7509527.1494534444506@mail.yahoo.com>

I know the resolution is better on a VGA monitor than on the original P3 display. I also know that the VGA monitor has more pixels in the horizontal dimension than the P3. However it is obvious to me that the digital processing for the VGA provides much better resolution than the P3. My question how it is done? Does the VGA FPGA have more bins?? Or some other SDR/display design??? Thanks, Doug K6JEY
?

 

From psaffren at elecraft.com  Thu May 11 17:14:20 2017
From: psaffren at elecraft.com (n6hz)
Date: Thu, 11 May 2017 14:14:20 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 VGA Question
In-Reply-To: <1062534407.7509527.1494534444506@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1062534407.7509527.1494534444506@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1494537260362-7630507.post@n2.nabble.com>

Hi Doug, 

The P3/SVGA board does its own 2048 point FFT on IQ data that is passed down
from the P3 front panel. The sampling rate is the same for either the P3's
LCD display or the SVGA.   There's also a bunch of black magic to take care
of things like fixed tune and receive path gain calculation.   

Kindly, 

Paul




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From mails at qrp4fun.de  Thu May 11 17:49:21 2017
From: mails at qrp4fun.de (Ingo Meyer, DK3RED)
Date: Thu, 11 May 2017 23:49:21 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] [KPA1500] Input Power
In-Reply-To: <1563744984.7571160.1494537625564@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <304ba697-090d-0122-e780-9a1f45d71bc6@qrp4fun.de>
	<54e837b0-5d6a-d342-e157-47dc28fd911d@ac0h.net>
	<25413d7d-1fcf-8999-2eaa-1ed60d8b89fc@qrp4fun.de>
	<1563744984.7571160.1494537625564@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <8825f736-eecd-a568-f456-f465241de9de@qrp4fun.de>

Hello Mike,

> Hi,?  Did you get answer for AC input power demand?? ? ?  VA or power factor??

No, only for the input power (see below), which I want to know.

1500 watts output = 61.8 dBm --> 15 dB gain --> 46.8 dBm = 47.5 ... 48 watts input

>> The gain limit of 15 dB is set by the FCC. ...

73/72 de Ingo, DK3RED - Don't forget: the fun is the power!
www.qrp4fun.de - dk3red at qrp4fun.de


From john at kk9a.com  Thu May 11 18:01:06 2017
From: john at kk9a.com (john at kk9a.com)
Date: Thu, 11 May 2017 18:01:06 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft]  Dual Receive on same band in K3s
Message-ID: <ddcc50d4f2342e3f140e1a566caaa395.squirrel@www11.qth.com>

If there was, not many people would purchase KRX3A sub-receivers.

John KK9A

FromL Irwin Darack idarack at gmail.com
Thu May 11 15:09:18 EDT 2017

I have a K3s without the sub-receiver installed. Is there a way to listen
to two different frequencies on the same band without a sub-receiver using
a stereo headset ?
Thanks.
-- 
Irwin KD3TB


From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Thu May 11 18:21:36 2017
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Thu, 11 May 2017 18:21:36 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Dual Receive on same band in K3s
In-Reply-To: <CAGC7P24VTME=uUGoAejuud1MHZWmn6E6wiP67DtqzT3aQ9FhRA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGC7P24VTME=uUGoAejuud1MHZWmn6E6wiP67DtqzT3aQ9FhRA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <281cdd3d-a700-b0b1-205d-453041b748c9@embarqmail.com>

Irwin,

You are asking about a "Dual Receive" capability, and for the K3 the 
answer is that the KRX3 is required.  Two identical receivers which have 
much more capability and flexibility than a 'Dual Receive' function. 
The subRX and Main can even be on different bands if VFO IND is set on.

The KX3 and KX2 do implement "Dual Receive" - it is a concession for 
split operation but is limited in range from the main receive frequency, 
but sufficient for most Split operation situations.  There just is not 
room inside the KX3/KX2 for a separate receiver.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 5/11/2017 3:09 PM, Irwin Darack wrote:
> I have a K3s without the sub-receiver installed. Is there a way to listen
> to two different frequencies on the same band without a sub-receiver using
> a stereo headset ?

From frantz at pwpconsult.com  Thu May 11 18:41:06 2017
From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz)
Date: Thu, 11 May 2017 15:41:06 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Dual Receive on same band in K3s
In-Reply-To: <281cdd3d-a700-b0b1-205d-453041b748c9@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <r470Ps-10124i-E628CD57B6474AE5AE8FE1C9747FAB03@Williams-MacBook-Pro.local>

Consider a weak DX station working split with a big pileup and 
compare the K3(S) and the KX3.

The K3 has a separate receiver for each ear. Each receiver has 
its own set of roofing filters. The KX3 and KX2 have to cover 
the entire frequency range between the DX station and the pileup 
with one roofing filter.

If the DX station is weak, it is easy to have a strong station 
in the pileup calling out of turn cause desense in the KX3 and 
make it hard or impossible to hear the DX. This desense will not 
happen in the K3 because of the separate roofing filters.

Yes, the K3(S) and KX(2,3) are almost equal, but this is one of 
the areas where the K3(S) shows improved performance. In other 
areas of difference. the K3(S) will be more convenient to operate.

73 Bill AE6JV

On 5/11/17 at 3:21 PM, donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) wrote:

>You are asking about a "Dual Receive" capability, and for the 
>K3 the answer is that the KRX3 is required.  Two identical 
>receivers which have much more capability and flexibility than 
>a 'Dual Receive' function. The subRX and Main can even be on 
>different bands if VFO IND is set on.
>
>The KX3 and KX2 do implement "Dual Receive" - it is a 
>concession for split operation but is limited in range from the 
>main receive frequency, but sufficient for most Split operation 
>situations.  There just is not room inside the KX3/KX2 for a 
>separate receiver.

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From augie.hansen at comcast.net  Thu May 11 18:41:50 2017
From: augie.hansen at comcast.net (Augie "Gus" Hansen)
Date: Thu, 11 May 2017 16:41:50 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] Dual Receive on same band in K3s
In-Reply-To: <281cdd3d-a700-b0b1-205d-453041b748c9@embarqmail.com>
References: <CAGC7P24VTME=uUGoAejuud1MHZWmn6E6wiP67DtqzT3aQ9FhRA@mail.gmail.com>
	<281cdd3d-a700-b0b1-205d-453041b748c9@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <2bdb5b2d-500f-26a5-b66b-b0bcdc9f2004@comcast.net>


On 5/11/2017 4:21 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
> ...
> The KX3 and KX2 do implement "Dual Receive" - it is a concession for 
> split operation but is limited in range from the main receive 
> frequency, but sufficient for most Split operation situations. There 
> just is not room inside the KX3/KX2 for a separate receiver.

That feature is called "Dual Watch" per the spec sheets.

73,
Gus Hansen
KB0YH


From palle at oz1rh.com  Thu May 11 20:20:12 2017
From: palle at oz1rh.com (Palle Preben-Hansen, OZ1RH)
Date: Fri, 12 May 2017 02:20:12 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] No USB audio output from K3/0 Mini
In-Reply-To: <EF437DFD-0D47-4D9E-87BD-472F34310729@necg.de>
References: <CAOgtrSmNAwGpYn-L2xh1zm8qDCN1sRJEkvo=Q9jYgtDqbwebsg@mail.gmail.com>
	<EF437DFD-0D47-4D9E-87BD-472F34310729@necg.de>
Message-ID: <CAOgtrSkvopMAbMjxPBZ6=VCqqSo_+0ZBgeXENg4t-HFqgVyZjA@mail.gmail.com>

Tnx Olli,

If TX and RX audio are reversed on the Mini's USB port the simple solution
seems to reverse TX and RX audio once more by software, either by selecting
the Input as USB speakers and Output as USB microphone in WSJT or wherever
software is used or if that is not possible then to use two virtual audio
cables and cross them.

Any reason that two virtual audio cables in the pc at the control site
can't reverse Input and Output of the USB audio devices of the K3/0-Mini?

The best solution would be if the K3/0-Mini's USB port Input and Output
audio could be configured (=reversed) by the Config menu of the K3/0-Mini.
In that case the K3/0-Mini's USB port could be configured by the user for
either Remoterig hardware or software RemoteHams.com and it would be easy
to switch.

73, Palle, OZ1RH
www.oz1rh.com

On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 9:02 PM, Oliver Dr?se <droese at necg.de> wrote:

> Hi Palle,
>
> this won't work. TX and RX audio are reversed on the mini's USB port as
> it's intend is to interface to the PC and use that as a relay to the remote
> (as an alternative to the RRC boxes). It's a real pity it is not jumper
> configurable inside as this renders the USB port useless for digital remote
> ops.
>
> 73, Olli - DH8BQA
>
>
>
> > Am 10.05.2017 um 14:44 schrieb Palle Preben-Hansen, OZ1RH <
> palle at oz1rh.com>:
> >
> > I have a running K3-Remote setup with Remoterig boxes, K3/0 Mini
> > and RRMINICBL & RRMTCBL cable sets. Everything but the USB audio to/from
> > the K3/0 Mini works. I have a USB cable from the K3/0 Mini to my pc at
> the
> > control site. A USB audio device is created on my Win 10 pc, but using
> > this USB audio device from WSJT-X version 1.7.0 the program gets no
> > audio. The K3 and K3/0 Mini has firmware 5.57.
> >
> > According to www.elecraft.com/K3-Remote/k3_remote.htm this should work:
> *The
> > K3/0-Mini comes with built-in USB support using the USB audio CODEC &
> FTDI
> > technology.*
> >
> > On the Remoterig Forum at www.remoterig.com/forum/index.php there are
> some
> > posts on this problem, but no solution. I have also in vain searched
> > www.mail-archive.com/elecraft at mailman.qth.net/maillist.html I hope the
> > Elecraft experts here can help.
> >
> > 73, Palle, OZ1RH
> > www.oz1rh.com
> >

From ar at dseven.org  Thu May 11 20:57:40 2017
From: ar at dseven.org (iain macdonnell - N6ML)
Date: Thu, 11 May 2017 17:57:40 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] No USB audio output from K3/0 Mini
In-Reply-To: <CAOgtrSkvopMAbMjxPBZ6=VCqqSo_+0ZBgeXENg4t-HFqgVyZjA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAOgtrSmNAwGpYn-L2xh1zm8qDCN1sRJEkvo=Q9jYgtDqbwebsg@mail.gmail.com>
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	<CAOgtrSkvopMAbMjxPBZ6=VCqqSo_+0ZBgeXENg4t-HFqgVyZjA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CACDL7B3-xmKjhCJ0U6FzaKNrH0RqVGH-_+YKyDQc7Tsm7q51BA@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 5:20 PM, Palle Preben-Hansen, OZ1RH
<palle at oz1rh.com> wrote:
> If TX and RX audio are reversed on the Mini's USB port the simple solution
> seems to reverse TX and RX audio once more by software, either by selecting
> the Input as USB speakers and Output as USB microphone in WSJT or wherever
> software is used or if that is not possible then to use two virtual audio
> cables and cross them.
>
> Any reason that two virtual audio cables in the pc at the control site
> can't reverse Input and Output of the USB audio devices of the K3/0-Mini?

I don't think that's what Olli meant by "reversed". I think he means
that audio received from the K3/0-Mini via the USB "codec" would be
audio that was intended to be conveyed (by the PC) to a remote peer
for transmission (e.g. from a mic connected to the K3/0-Mini), and
audio sent to the K3/0-Mini via USB "codec" would be output through
its speaker or headphones, as if it had been received from a remote
peer.... so you can't send audio to the K3/0-Mini through the USB
"codec" and expect it to get passed along via the RemoteRig on the
other side, no matter what fancy virtual plumbing you do in software.

I don't have a K3/0-Mini or RemoteRig setup, but that's the only
interpretation that makes sense to me.


> The best solution would be if the K3/0-Mini's USB port Input and Output
> audio could be configured (=reversed) by the Config menu of the K3/0-Mini.
> In that case the K3/0-Mini's USB port could be configured by the user for
> either Remoterig hardware or software RemoteHams.com and it would be easy
> to switch.

But it'd have to be electrically switched inside, and I suspect that
such switching is not implemented (in hardware).

Just "guessing" ;)

73,

    ~iain / N6ML



> On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 9:02 PM, Oliver Dr?se <droese at necg.de> wrote:
>
>> Hi Palle,
>>
>> this won't work. TX and RX audio are reversed on the mini's USB port as
>> it's intend is to interface to the PC and use that as a relay to the remote
>> (as an alternative to the RRC boxes). It's a real pity it is not jumper
>> configurable inside as this renders the USB port useless for digital remote
>> ops.
>>
>> 73, Olli - DH8BQA
>>
>>
>>
>> > Am 10.05.2017 um 14:44 schrieb Palle Preben-Hansen, OZ1RH <
>> palle at oz1rh.com>:
>> >
>> > I have a running K3-Remote setup with Remoterig boxes, K3/0 Mini
>> > and RRMINICBL & RRMTCBL cable sets. Everything but the USB audio to/from
>> > the K3/0 Mini works. I have a USB cable from the K3/0 Mini to my pc at
>> the
>> > control site. A USB audio device is created on my Win 10 pc, but using
>> > this USB audio device from WSJT-X version 1.7.0 the program gets no
>> > audio. The K3 and K3/0 Mini has firmware 5.57.
>> >
>> > According to www.elecraft.com/K3-Remote/k3_remote.htm this should work:
>> *The
>> > K3/0-Mini comes with built-in USB support using the USB audio CODEC &
>> FTDI
>> > technology.*
>> >
>> > On the Remoterig Forum at www.remoterig.com/forum/index.php there are
>> some
>> > posts on this problem, but no solution. I have also in vain searched
>> > www.mail-archive.com/elecraft at mailman.qth.net/maillist.html I hope the
>> > Elecraft experts here can help.
>> >
>> > 73, Palle, OZ1RH
>> > www.oz1rh.com
>> >
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From bill at wjschmidt.com  Thu May 11 21:43:41 2017
From: bill at wjschmidt.com (Dr. William J. Schmidt)
Date: Thu, 11 May 2017 20:43:41 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] [KPA1500] Input Power
In-Reply-To: <8825f736-eecd-a568-f456-f465241de9de@qrp4fun.de>
References: <304ba697-090d-0122-e780-9a1f45d71bc6@qrp4fun.de>
	<54e837b0-5d6a-d342-e157-47dc28fd911d@ac0h.net>
	<25413d7d-1fcf-8999-2eaa-1ed60d8b89fc@qrp4fun.de>
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Message-ID: <E4F65834-5FB7-48DB-98B4-D8CD7C96B31B@wjschmidt.com>

All of those popular devices have gain more than 15 dB... so there is a pad in the amp to keep the gain at 15 dB. One would think that a "tweak" will evolve to modify the pad (and possibly the firmware) to eliminate this bothersome limit. 


Dr. William J. Schmidt - K9HZ J68HZ 8P6HK ZF2HZ PJ4/K9HZ VP5/K9HZ PJ2/K9HZ
 
Owner - Operator
Big Signal Ranch ? K9ZC
Staunton, Illinois
 
Owner ? Operator
Villa Grand Piton - J68HZ
Soufriere, St. Lucia W.I.
Rent it: www.VillaGrandPiton.com

email:  bill at wjschmidt.com
 

> On May 11, 2017, at 4:49 PM, Ingo Meyer, DK3RED <mails at qrp4fun.de> wrote:
> 
> Hello Mike,
> 
>> Hi,?  Did you get answer for AC input power demand?? ? ?  VA or power factor??
> 
> No, only for the input power (see below), which I want to know.
> 
> 1500 watts output = 61.8 dBm --> 15 dB gain --> 46.8 dBm = 47.5 ... 48 watts input
> 
>>> The gain limit of 15 dB is set by the FCC. ...
> 
> 73/72 de Ingo, DK3RED - Don't forget: the fun is the power!
> www.qrp4fun.de - dk3red at qrp4fun.de
> 
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From mspmail2 at gmail.com  Thu May 11 22:38:15 2017
From: mspmail2 at gmail.com (Mike Parkes)
Date: Thu, 11 May 2017 19:38:15 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] (no subject)
Message-ID: <CAP4v5qwiuzzK20YD+1-do=tizzYzEi_EQdy_ROfoerHFHtfQKQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Elecraft group,
I don't own anything made by Elecraft yet however I have been shopping for
an HF rig to get active again (I have been off the air for a number of
years for personal reasons). I really like Elecraft's products, and I am
intrigued by the 'software definable radio' possibilities in this new breed
of amateur radio equipment design.

I have a question though, related to what can or can't be done with an
Elecraft SDR transceiver*. Is the source "code" able to be modified by the
End User?* Or is it proprietary in some way so that only those at Elecraft
can touch the code? I have been monitoring this list for while now and have
yet to read anything like, "hey check out this cool change I made on the
Elecraft KX3 code! Before the radio only did this - now it does this!" and
next thing you know there are some very cool user modified code being made
available. Like, the ham being able to add their call into the code? (see this
example
<https://spacemodels.files.wordpress.com/2017/05/customized-display-kx3.jpg>
)

73's
Mike AB7RU

PS I tried to send this with the image attached and it got kicked back with
an error message so apologies if is a duplicate email list submission from
me.

From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Thu May 11 23:28:15 2017
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Thu, 11 May 2017 23:28:15 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <CAP4v5qwiuzzK20YD+1-do=tizzYzEi_EQdy_ROfoerHFHtfQKQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAP4v5qwiuzzK20YD+1-do=tizzYzEi_EQdy_ROfoerHFHtfQKQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Mike,

The Elecraft gear is software defined radio, but the software is not 
open source and not available for modification by the user.

Software changes may be requested of the developers, and some may be 
implemented if the user audience that will use those added functions is 
sufficiently large.  So yes, the firmware is proprietary to Elecraft, 
and not open source.

The K3 and K3S are hybrid designs which have an analog front end with 
down-conversion to 15kHz where the DSP software is processed.

The KX3 and KX2 use a quadrature mixer which brings the IF directly to 
an IF that is then processed in DSP.

You will find that the Elecraft gear to be among the top performers for 
receive (see the Sherwood listings).  The K3, K3S, KX3, KX2 and the pure 
analog K2 are quite high on the Sherwood ratings.

If you are looking for superior receive characteristics, then Elecraft 
may be your answer.  If you are looking for open source firmware with 
the resultant "user defined" functions, then you might want to look at 
the HDSDR which will allow open source alterations - https://openhpsdr.org/.

The Elecraft reflector will reject any images and other forms of HTML. 
This reflector is plain text only.  If you want others to view images, 
put them in a publically available place and provide a link in your post.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 5/11/2017 10:38 PM, Mike Parkes wrote:
> Hello Elecraft group,
> I don't own anything made by Elecraft yet however I have been shopping for
> an HF rig to get active again (I have been off the air for a number of
> years for personal reasons). I really like Elecraft's products, and I am
> intrigued by the 'software definable radio' possibilities in this new breed
> of amateur radio equipment design.
> 
> I have a question though, related to what can or can't be done with an
> Elecraft SDR transceiver*. Is the source "code" able to be modified by the
> End User?* Or is it proprietary in some way so that only those at Elecraft
> can touch the code? I have been monitoring this list for while now and have
> yet to read anything like, "hey check out this cool change I made on the
> Elecraft KX3 code! Before the radio only did this - now it does this!" and
> next thing you know there are some very cool user modified code being made
> available. Like, the ham being able to add their call into the code? (see this
> example
> <https://spacemodels.files.wordpress.com/2017/05/customized-display-kx3.jpg>
> )

From kengkopp at gmail.com  Thu May 11 23:30:03 2017
From: kengkopp at gmail.com (Ken G Kopp)
Date: Thu, 11 May 2017 21:30:03 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft's source code
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Hi Mike!

Your question has been asked before in several forms.  AFAIK, the answer is
"No", and I hope it remains so.

If you were able to change your Elecraft's "personality" in some way to
make it unique ... regardless of the merit of your change ... it would no
longer really be an Elecraft would it?

If you were to sell your unit ... or need to send it somewhere for repair
... what / who would know what had been altered in the radio's "brains"?

In my view, it would be akin to putting an engine from a Ford under the
hood of a Buick.  The result might well result in an improvement, but the
resulting vehicle would always be an oddity that few would want to deal
with.

Some who own / buy animals pay close attention to the genetics? of their
critters, and sometimes someone's idea goes wrong.

Then there's the added staff at Elecraft needed to deal with the code
alterations gone wrong in units sent in for "psychiatric" repair.

We place a tremendous amount of confidence in Elecraft based on the
reputation of the company's? products, and a major portion of that comes
down to the integrity of "the code".

73!

Ken Kopp - K0PP







On May 11, 2017 20:38, "Mike Parkes" <mspmail2 at gmail.com> wrote:

Hello Elecraft group,
I don't own anything made by Elecraft yet however I have been shopping for
an HF rig to get active again (I have been off the air for a number of
years for personal reasons). I really like Elecraft's products, and I am
intrigued by the 'software definable radio' possibilities in this new breed
of amateur radio equipment design.

I have a question though, related to what can or can't be done with an
Elecraft SDR transceiver*. Is the source "code" able to be modified by the
End User?* Or is it proprietary in some way so that only those at Elecraft
can touch the code? I have been monitoring this list for while now and have
yet to read anything like, "hey check out this cool change I made on the
Elecraft KX3 code! Before the radio only did this - now it does this!" and
next thing you know there are some very cool user modified code being made
available. Like, the ham being able to add their call into the code? (see
this
example
<https://spacemodels.files.wordpress.com/2017/05/customized-display-kx3.jpg>
)

73's
Mike AB7RU

PS I tried to send this with the image attached and it got kicked back with
an error message so apologies if is a duplicate email list submission from
me.
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From k2vco.vic at gmail.com  Fri May 12 00:00:32 2017
From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP)
Date: Fri, 12 May 2017 07:00:32 +0300
Subject: [Elecraft] Dual Receive on same band in K3s
In-Reply-To: <r470Ps-10124i-E628CD57B6474AE5AE8FE1C9747FAB03@Williams-MacBook-Pro.local>
References: <r470Ps-10124i-E628CD57B6474AE5AE8FE1C9747FAB03@Williams-MacBook-Pro.local>
Message-ID: <d0f7b98e-78ef-eaa1-1215-0fa619b1c7c9@gmail.com>

The other thing you get with the additional receiver is diversity 
reception. This is a truly wonderful feature that improves copy greatly 
when there is QSB and some kinds of noise.

73,
Victor, 4X6GP
Rehovot, Israel
Formerly K2VCO
http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/

On 12 May 2017 01:41, Bill Frantz wrote:
> Consider a weak DX station working split with a big pileup and compare
> the K3(S) and the KX3.
>
> The K3 has a separate receiver for each ear. Each receiver has its own
> set of roofing filters. The KX3 and KX2 have to cover the entire
> frequency range between the DX station and the pileup with one roofing
> filter.
>
> If the DX station is weak, it is easy to have a strong station in the
> pileup calling out of turn cause desense in the KX3 and make it hard or
> impossible to hear the DX. This desense will not happen in the K3
> because of the separate roofing filters.
>
> Yes, the K3(S) and KX(2,3) are almost equal, but this is one of the
> areas where the K3(S) shows improved performance. In other areas of
> difference. the K3(S) will be more convenient to operate.
>
> 73 Bill AE6JV
>
> On 5/11/17 at 3:21 PM, donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) wrote:
>
>> You are asking about a "Dual Receive" capability, and for the K3 the
>> answer is that the KRX3 is required.  Two identical receivers which
>> have much more capability and flexibility than a 'Dual Receive'
>> function. The subRX and Main can even be on different bands if VFO IND
>> is set on.
>>
>> The KX3 and KX2 do implement "Dual Receive" - it is a concession for
>> split operation but is limited in range from the main receive
>> frequency, but sufficient for most Split operation situations.  There
>> just is not room inside the KX3/KX2 for a separate receiver.

From n6kr at elecraft.com  Fri May 12 00:36:58 2017
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Thu, 11 May 2017 21:36:58 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Not open source, but still user-programmable/customizable
In-Reply-To: <CAP4v5qwiuzzK20YD+1-do=tizzYzEi_EQdy_ROfoerHFHtfQKQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAP4v5qwiuzzK20YD+1-do=tizzYzEi_EQdy_ROfoerHFHtfQKQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CF3CD949-448B-41A8-AC1E-336AFE9D8DAB@elecraft.com>

Hi Mike,

As others have pointed out, our products? software and firmware are generally not open-source. However, there are a few things you can do to customize them:

- Each rig (as well as accessories such as panadapters, ATUs, and amplifiers) has a very comprehensive set of remote-control commands. You can use these in your own software applications. Third party transceiver-control programs like ?HRD? make extensive use of these commands. See the programmer?s reference on our website for individual products.

- Remote-control commands can be combined into ?macros? using the Utility software we provide. These can then be assigned to buttons within the utility itself, or sent to the radio for assignment to switches. The K3S, for example, has up to 10 user-programmable switch functions. Macros can be optionally triggered by our K-Pod controller, which many contesters place by their computer keyboard to make frequent radio control changes more efficient.

- You can have the radio display a ?banner? on power-up (yes, including your callsign if desired)

We also take input from customers, and as time permits, incorporate new features. For example, we added PSK63 modulation/demodulation to some of our transceivers not long ago. This is the sort of extensibility that makes a transceiver an ?SDR?.

73,
Wayne
N6KR


> On May 11, 2017, at 7:38 PM, Mike Parkes <mspmail2 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hello Elecraft group,
> I don't own anything made by Elecraft yet however I have been shopping for
> an HF rig to get active again (I have been off the air for a number of
> years for personal reasons). I really like Elecraft's products, and I am
> intrigued by the 'software definable radio' possibilities in this new breed
> of amateur radio equipment design.
> 
> I have a question though, related to what can or can't be done with an
> Elecraft SDR transceiver*. Is the source "code" able to be modified by the
> End User?* Or is it proprietary in some way so that only those at Elecraft
> can touch the code? I have been monitoring this list for while now and have
> yet to read anything like, "hey check out this cool change I made on the
> Elecraft KX3 code! Before the radio only did this - now it does this!" and
> next thing you know there are some very cool user modified code being made
> available. Like, the ham being able to add their call into the code? (see this
> example
> <https://spacemodels.files.wordpress.com/2017/05/customized-display-kx3.jpg>
> )
> 
> 73's
> Mike AB7RU
> 
> PS I tried to send this with the image attached and it got kicked back with
> an error message so apologies if is a duplicate email list submission from
> me.
> ______________________________________________________________
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From matt.vk2rq at gmail.com  Fri May 12 05:33:59 2017
From: matt.vk2rq at gmail.com (Matt Maguire)
Date: Fri, 12 May 2017 19:33:59 +1000
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft's source code
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If you want to play around with and learn about SDR, I suggest you build a soft rock kit. Keep your Electaft rig for listening on the bands while you work in the kit :-)

73 de Matt VK2RQ

> On 12 May 2017, at 1:30 pm, Ken G Kopp <kengkopp at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Mike!
> 
> Your question has been asked before in several forms.  AFAIK, the answer is
> "No", and I hope it remains so.
> 
> If you were able to change your Elecraft's "personality" in some way to
> make it unique ... regardless of the merit of your change ... it would no
> longer really be an Elecraft would it?
> 
> If you were to sell your unit ... or need to send it somewhere for repair
> ... what / who would know what had been altered in the radio's "brains"?
> 
> In my view, it would be akin to putting an engine from a Ford under the
> hood of a Buick.  The result might well result in an improvement, but the
> resulting vehicle would always be an oddity that few would want to deal
> with.
> 
> Some who own / buy animals pay close attention to the genetics of their
> critters, and sometimes someone's idea goes wrong.
> 
> Then there's the added staff at Elecraft needed to deal with the code
> alterations gone wrong in units sent in for "psychiatric" repair.
> 
> We place a tremendous amount of confidence in Elecraft based on the
> reputation of the company's products, and a major portion of that comes
> down to the integrity of "the code".
> 
> 73!
> 
> Ken Kopp - K0PP
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On May 11, 2017 20:38, "Mike Parkes" <mspmail2 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hello Elecraft group,
> I don't own anything made by Elecraft yet however I have been shopping for
> an HF rig to get active again (I have been off the air for a number of
> years for personal reasons). I really like Elecraft's products, and I am
> intrigued by the 'software definable radio' possibilities in this new breed
> of amateur radio equipment design.
> 
> I have a question though, related to what can or can't be done with an
> Elecraft SDR transceiver*. Is the source "code" able to be modified by the
> End User?* Or is it proprietary in some way so that only those at Elecraft
> can touch the code? I have been monitoring this list for while now and have
> yet to read anything like, "hey check out this cool change I made on the
> Elecraft KX3 code! Before the radio only did this - now it does this!" and
> next thing you know there are some very cool user modified code being made
> available. Like, the ham being able to add their call into the code? (see
> this
> example
> <https://spacemodels.files.wordpress.com/2017/05/customized-display-kx3.jpg>
> )
> 
> 73's
> Mike AB7RU
> 
> PS I tried to send this with the image attached and it got kicked back with
> an error message so apologies if is a duplicate email list submission from
> me.
> ______________________________________________________________
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From a45wg at sy-edm.com  Fri May 12 05:50:52 2017
From: a45wg at sy-edm.com (a45wg)
Date: Fri, 12 May 2017 13:50:52 +0400
Subject: [Elecraft] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <CAP4v5qwiuzzK20YD+1-do=tizzYzEi_EQdy_ROfoerHFHtfQKQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAP4v5qwiuzzK20YD+1-do=tizzYzEi_EQdy_ROfoerHFHtfQKQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5B027A25-82FD-409A-8FE1-CA667B05E0F2@sy-edm.com>

Mike,
	Most SDR ?hacking?  unless those very hardcore people with good RF building skills takes place on the I/Q (SDR Output) data.

	I would point you in the path of GNU-Radio which offers IMHO the easiest path to SDR processing for learning DSP processing and implementation. Depending on the SDR Radio you can also generate your Signal here and send it back out via your SDR Device.

	There are plenty of Open-Source SDR Projects out there - some more understandable than others

	I would highly recommend the Red Pitaya project as a good neutral SDR test bed, for this you can mess with EVERYTHING !! 

	73s

			Tim A45WG, Muscat Oman




> On May 12, 2017, at 6:38 AM, Mike Parkes <mspmail2 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hello Elecraft group,
> I don't own anything made by Elecraft yet however I have been shopping for
> an HF rig to get active again (I have been off the air for a number of
> years for personal reasons). I really like Elecraft's products, and I am
> intrigued by the 'software definable radio' possibilities in this new breed
> of amateur radio equipment design.
> 
> I have a question though, related to what can or can't be done with an
> Elecraft SDR transceiver*. Is the source "code" able to be modified by the
> End User?* Or is it proprietary in some way so that only those at Elecraft
> can touch the code? I have been monitoring this list for while now and have
> yet to read anything like, "hey check out this cool change I made on the
> Elecraft KX3 code! Before the radio only did this - now it does this!" and
> next thing you know there are some very cool user modified code being made
> available. Like, the ham being able to add their call into the code? (see this
> example
> <https://spacemodels.files.wordpress.com/2017/05/customized-display-kx3.jpg>
> )
> 
> 73's
> Mike AB7RU
> 
> PS I tried to send this with the image attached and it got kicked back with
> an error message so apologies if is a duplicate email list submission from
> me.
> ______________________________________________________________
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From kevin at k4vd.net  Fri May 12 08:34:30 2017
From: kevin at k4vd.net (Kevin - K4VD)
Date: Fri, 12 May 2017 08:34:30 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft's source code
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?I agree with Ken's conclusion that the current answer is, unfortunately,
no. I definitely do not agree with his reasoning. Car analogies aside, if
the code was open for experimentation and improvement by the wider
community then we could all benefit. ?Android, Arduino, Raspberry Pi,
Linux, ... are all examples of things that have been improved because they
can be programmed by just about anyone. Those who don't like your
improvements or don't feel their device will any longer be what they bought
and love can just not install your code changes.

But that's all a moot point as there is no access to the source code. But
unlike many other products, there seems to be pretty quick response to
requests for improvements and fixes.

Elecraft does have pretty rich macro commands allowing some nice external
software to be written. Win4K3 comes to mind. I'm pretty amazed at what has
been accomplished using the available macros. A true API from Elecraft
might improve things even further?

73,
Kev


On Fri, May 12, 2017 at 5:33 AM, Matt Maguire <matt.vk2rq at gmail.com> wrote:

> If you want to play around with and learn about SDR, I suggest you build a
> soft rock kit. Keep your Electaft rig for listening on the bands while you
> work in the kit :-)
>
> 73 de Matt VK2RQ
>
> > On 12 May 2017, at 1:30 pm, Ken G Kopp <kengkopp at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Mike!
> >
> > Your question has been asked before in several forms.  AFAIK, the answer
> is
> > "No", and I hope it remains so.
> >
> > If you were able to change your Elecraft's "personality" in some way to
> > make it unique ... regardless of the merit of your change ... it would no
> > longer really be an Elecraft would it?
> >
> > If you were to sell your unit ... or need to send it somewhere for repair
> > ... what / who would know what had been altered in the radio's "brains"?
> >
> > In my view, it would be akin to putting an engine from a Ford under the
> > hood of a Buick.  The result might well result in an improvement, but the
> > resulting vehicle would always be an oddity that few would want to deal
> > with.
> >
> > Some who own / buy animals pay close attention to the genetics of their
> > critters, and sometimes someone's idea goes wrong.
> >
> > Then there's the added staff at Elecraft needed to deal with the code
> > alterations gone wrong in units sent in for "psychiatric" repair.
> >
> > We place a tremendous amount of confidence in Elecraft based on the
> > reputation of the company's products, and a major portion of that comes
> > down to the integrity of "the code".
> >
> > 73!
> >
> > Ken Kopp - K0PP
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On May 11, 2017 20:38, "Mike Parkes" <mspmail2 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hello Elecraft group,
> > I don't own anything made by Elecraft yet however I have been shopping
> for
> > an HF rig to get active again (I have been off the air for a number of
> > years for personal reasons). I really like Elecraft's products, and I am
> > intrigued by the 'software definable radio' possibilities in this new
> breed
> > of amateur radio equipment design.
> >
> > I have a question though, related to what can or can't be done with an
> > Elecraft SDR transceiver*. Is the source "code" able to be modified by
> the
> > End User?* Or is it proprietary in some way so that only those at
> Elecraft
> > can touch the code? I have been monitoring this list for while now and
> have
> > yet to read anything like, "hey check out this cool change I made on the
> > Elecraft KX3 code! Before the radio only did this - now it does this!"
> and
> > next thing you know there are some very cool user modified code being
> made
> > available. Like, the ham being able to add their call into the code? (see
> > this
> > example
> > <https://spacemodels.files.wordpress.com/2017/05/
> customized-display-kx3.jpg>
> > )
> >
> > 73's
> > Mike AB7RU
> >
> > PS I tried to send this with the image attached and it got kicked back
> with
> > an error message so apologies if is a duplicate email list submission
> from
> > me.
> > ______________________________________________________________
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From idarack at gmail.com  Fri May 12 08:34:57 2017
From: idarack at gmail.com (Irwin Darack)
Date: Fri, 12 May 2017 12:34:57 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Dual -Watch and KRX3A sub-receiver install in a K3s
Message-ID: <CAGC7P24kpVuZ9iJeNxR3kabLV1pDQXk82PCmLaMWOtybTb1NSQ@mail.gmail.com>

>From everyone's comments, I realize that to have dual watch ( listen to two
different frequency on the same band) on my K3s, I need to install the KRX3A
sub-receiver. I have two K3s that I have built, one with the KRX3A and the
second without. I am thinking of upgrading the second one with the
sub-receiver now.

To install a KRX3A in an already built K3s do I need to remove the front
panel? I am hoping that I do not as to reinstall the front panel you have
to be very careful not to bend a pin. I realize that I have to install some
new additional stand-offs on the main RF board. I have reviewed the KRX3A
install instructions and it's a little confusing on the difference in a
older K3 versus a K3s. It appears that you have to take the front panel
totally apart?

Looking forward to see everyone at Dayton (Xenia).

Thanks, Irwin KD3TB
-- 
Irwin KD3TB

From gdanner12 at gmail.com  Fri May 12 08:37:00 2017
From: gdanner12 at gmail.com (George Danner)
Date: Fri, 12 May 2017 08:37:00 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] [KPA1500] Input Power
In-Reply-To: <E4F65834-5FB7-48DB-98B4-D8CD7C96B31B@wjschmidt.com>
References: <304ba697-090d-0122-e780-9a1f45d71bc6@qrp4fun.de><54e837b0-5d6a-d342-e157-47dc28fd911d@ac0h.net><25413d7d-1fcf-8999-2eaa-1ed60d8b89fc@qrp4fun.de><1563744984.7571160.1494537625564@mail.yahoo.com><8825f736-eecd-a568-f456-f465241de9de@qrp4fun.de>
	<E4F65834-5FB7-48DB-98B4-D8CD7C96B31B@wjschmidt.com>
Message-ID: <A0918DB515CE4CA4B1279C44A0294CF8@GeorgenLouise>

Probably an unauthorized modification after the introduction of the KPA1500 
will become available; similar to the one for the KPA500 by Paula Keezer 
NX1P.
Haven't tried it but looks to be well thought out.
73
George
AI4VZ

-----Original Message----- 
From: Dr. William J. Schmidt
Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2017 9:43 PM
To: Ingo Meyer, DK3RED
Cc: Elecraft
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [KPA1500] Input Power

All of those popular devices have gain more than 15 dB... so there is a pad 
in the amp to keep the gain at 15 dB. One would think that a "tweak" will 
evolve to modify the pad (and possibly the firmware) to eliminate this 
bothersome limit.


Dr. William J. Schmidt - K9HZ J68HZ 8P6HK ZF2HZ PJ4/K9HZ VP5/K9HZ PJ2/K9HZ

Owner - Operator
Big Signal Ranch ? K9ZC
Staunton, Illinois

Owner ? Operator
Villa Grand Piton - J68HZ
Soufriere, St. Lucia W.I.
Rent it: www.VillaGrandPiton.com

email:  bill at wjschmidt.com


> On May 11, 2017, at 4:49 PM, Ingo Meyer, DK3RED <mails at qrp4fun.de> wrote:
>
> Hello Mike,
>
>> Hi,?  Did you get answer for AC input power demand?? ? ?  VA or power 
>> factor??
>
> No, only for the input power (see below), which I want to know.
>
> 1500 watts output = 61.8 dBm --> 15 dB gain --> 46.8 dBm = 47.5 ... 48 
> watts input
>
>>> The gain limit of 15 dB is set by the FCC. ...
>
> 73/72 de Ingo, DK3RED - Don't forget: the fun is the power!
> www.qrp4fun.de - dk3red at qrp4fun.de
>
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From forums at david-woolley.me.uk  Fri May 12 09:16:54 2017
From: forums at david-woolley.me.uk (David Woolley)
Date: Fri, 12 May 2017 14:16:54 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] [KPA1500] Input Power
In-Reply-To: <E4F65834-5FB7-48DB-98B4-D8CD7C96B31B@wjschmidt.com>
References: <304ba697-090d-0122-e780-9a1f45d71bc6@qrp4fun.de>
	<54e837b0-5d6a-d342-e157-47dc28fd911d@ac0h.net>
	<25413d7d-1fcf-8999-2eaa-1ed60d8b89fc@qrp4fun.de>
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	<E4F65834-5FB7-48DB-98B4-D8CD7C96B31B@wjschmidt.com>
Message-ID: <cbcb6efc-675f-d2f0-26a7-d5a2379455cf@david-woolley.me.uk>

Using a pad would be bad design, as simply increasing the level of 
negative feedback would help reduce distortion.  The only way one could 
achieve a repeatable gain close to 15dB would be with negative feedback.

Moreover, I assume it is an FCC condition that modification by the end 
not be easy.  You can assume that CB users wanting to use illegal powers 
have access to soldering irons.

Also, I would assume that the design gain is actually less than 15dB, to 
allow for component tolerances.

-- 
David Woolley K2 06123

On 12/05/17 02:43, Dr. William J. Schmidt wrote:
> All of those popular devices have gain more than 15 dB... so there is a pad in the amp to keep the gain at 15 dB. One would think that a "tweak" will evolve to modify the pad (and possibly the firmware) to eliminate this bothersome limit.


From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Fri May 12 09:24:04 2017
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Fri, 12 May 2017 09:24:04 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Dual -Watch and KRX3A sub-receiver install in a K3s
In-Reply-To: <CAGC7P24kpVuZ9iJeNxR3kabLV1pDQXk82PCmLaMWOtybTb1NSQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGC7P24kpVuZ9iJeNxR3kabLV1pDQXk82PCmLaMWOtybTb1NSQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <dd5e871e-597d-490f-f9e9-2d3aba5145e9@embarqmail.com>

Irwin,

When installing the subRX, you have to remove the front panel to install 
the DSP2 board.  You will have to separate the front panel from the DSP1 
board to install it.

There is little danger of bending pins unless you are quite "ham-handed" 
with mechanical things.  The only precaution is to be certain the 
connector pins are aligned before putting them in place.  There should 
be no need to force anything - if it does not go together with gentle 
force, something is wrong with the alignment of the parts.

I do not believe there is any difference between the K3 and the K3s in 
this regard.  Older K3s will have to remove a screw from the corner of 
the RF board while newer K3s and the K3s have a notch in the DSP board 
to clear that 'offending' screwhead.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 5/12/2017 8:34 AM, Irwin Darack wrote:
> 
> To install a KRX3A in an already built K3s do I need to remove the front
> panel? I am hoping that I do not as to reinstall the front panel you have
> to be very careful not to bend a pin. I realize that I have to install some
> new additional stand-offs on the main RF board. I have reviewed the KRX3A
> install instructions and it's a little confusing on the difference in a
> older K3 versus a K3s. It appears that you have to take the front panel
> totally apart?

From john at kk9a.com  Fri May 12 09:54:50 2017
From: john at kk9a.com (john at kk9a.com)
Date: Fri, 12 May 2017 09:54:50 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft]  Dual -Watch and KRX3A sub-receiver install in a K3s
Message-ID: <0cc9774dc210fdfbbf0d38715eccf76a.squirrel@www11.qth.com>

I bought two factory K3S's, to save money one came without the
sub-receiver. I later realized that this was a mistake and added the
KRX3A. Installing it is a time consuming job and does involve removing the
front panel. I am not sure what your concern is, the front panel was easy
to reinstall and everything worked as it should after adding the module.

John KK9A


From: Irwin Darack idarack at gmail.com
Fri May 12 08:34:57 EDT 2017

different frequency on the same band) on my K3s, I need to install the KRX3A
sub-receiver. I have two K3s that I have built, one with the KRX3A and the
second without. I am thinking of upgrading the second one with the
sub-receiver now.

To install a KRX3A in an already built K3s do I need to remove the front
panel? I am hoping that I do not as to reinstall the front panel you have
to be very careful not to bend a pin. I realize that I have to install some
new additional stand-offs on the main RF board. I have reviewed the KRX3A
install instructions and it's a little confusing on the difference in a
older K3 versus a K3s. It appears that you have to take the front panel
totally apart?

Looking forward to see everyone at Dayton (Xenia).

Thanks, Irwin KD3TB


From hlyingst at yahoo.com  Fri May 12 10:45:24 2017
From: hlyingst at yahoo.com (Harry Yingst)
Date: Fri, 12 May 2017 14:45:24 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft's source code
In-Reply-To: <CAFA9ujvNVjHpvWQeYz6OQYkLVxK_DNb-DPBvWiTRb5OLZiiykg@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <942395212.638823.1494600324833@mail.yahoo.com>



I have a mmcHF SDR QRP radio where the firmware is Open Source.

In the beginning the original developer of the radio had his firmware and worked on it then
another basically took over for him and now there is a group of developers working on the code.

You can load the original firmware, or the latest, or even load up the daily build to be on very edge.

Open source tends to allows a much larger pool of talent to look at the code and enhance it.
Additionally bug fixes also tend to get fixed a bit quicker since you have a number of eyes
looking at the code and that tends to allows the spotting of a solution quicker.

But as others have stated, Elecraft's code is Closed Source. I can understand them keeping it closed
source because the radio is basically a consumer product with not a lot of room for experimentation.

Elecraft is in a bit of a Catch 22 because yes with open source they could get the benefits from it
But it could also equate to more "warranty" work for Elecraft when someone messes up their radio.

I have a K3 for my "Nice Radio" and then I have other radios that I mod and play with.

From g6glp at strus.co.uk  Fri May 12 11:19:18 2017
From: g6glp at strus.co.uk (Tony G6GLP)
Date: Fri, 12 May 2017 16:19:18 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] Kpod Toggle macros etc
In-Reply-To: <SN1PR06MB2287AE67C021FE169173F3ACE7EB0@SN1PR06MB2287.namprd06.prod.outlook.com>
References: <SN1PR06MB2287AE67C021FE169173F3ACE7EB0@SN1PR06MB2287.namprd06.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <7bbfa411-ddd8-da13-e902-62585f6cdae0@strus.co.uk>

Hi All,

A short while ago there were a number of people interested in toggling 
macros. Also the limit of 16 was mentioned.
I have a Kpod and been playing with it software wise after some help 
from Elecraft developer N6HZ Paul.
When the Kpod is connected to via the USB port the normal radio 
interface is interrupted leaving all the functions to the USB.
I can make the Kpod have 48 macros / buttons and do some other stuff to 
make  toggling / rotating macros work but before I get started I would 
like to hear both on or off the reflector any ideas from potential 
users. I will publish what and when etc so anything off reflector will 
not be lost as all will be consolidated into one list. Just to make 
clear this will work on a raspberry PI or other linux device but at this 
time there is no intention of working with MS or Apple systems.

Who's intereted in helping?

73 de Tony G6GLP

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From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Fri May 12 12:39:31 2017
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Fri, 12 May 2017 09:39:31 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft's source code
In-Reply-To: <CAFA9ujvNVjHpvWQeYz6OQYkLVxK_DNb-DPBvWiTRb5OLZiiykg@mail.gmail.com>
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On Fri,5/12/2017 5:34 AM, Kevin - K4VD wrote:
> if
> the code was open for experimentation and improvement by the wider
> community then we could all benefit.

There are two really good reasons why Elecraft should NOT release their 
source code and allow access to the inside of the radio. 1) A LOT of 
additional resources would be required at Elecraft to address all of the 
cans of worms opened by other programmers who don't understand all of 
the variables of hardware and software. 2) There's the matter of 
intellectual property and the possibility of attempts by others to "rip 
off" Elecraft's design. The last thing most of us would like to see are 
third world imitation Elecraft radios at a fraction of the cost, simply 
because they've copied Elecraft's design, have no design costs, have no 
support costs, etc.

73, Jim K9YC


From mails at qrp4fun.de  Fri May 12 13:01:07 2017
From: mails at qrp4fun.de (Ingo Meyer, DK3RED)
Date: Fri, 12 May 2017 19:01:07 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft's source code
In-Reply-To: <942395212.638823.1494600324833@mail.yahoo.com>
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Message-ID: <d337422a-07ca-9f17-0bf0-a28490f291a0@qrp4fun.de>

Hello Harry,


> Elecraft is in a bit of a Catch 22 because yes with open source they could get the benefits from it
> But it could also equate to more "warranty" work for Elecraft when someone messes up their radio.

I think this is the main reason to "close" the source code. I have seen the problem with 
open source on SDR software. Anyone who thinks he could also program or could better 
program modify the open source code and spread it. Who uses the modified code and finds an 
error with his transceiver/computer, turns to the manufacturer of the hardware and not the 
manufacturer of the software.
I like my Elecraft rigs (with the closed source). The developer team tested it and I can 
use it without jamming anywhere. Requests flow into the software after weighing.


73/72 de Ingo, DK3RED - Don't forget: the fun is the power!
www.qrp4fun.de - dk3red at qrp4fun.de

From john.dolan55 at gmail.com  Fri May 12 13:08:45 2017
From: john.dolan55 at gmail.com (John Dolan)
Date: Fri, 12 May 2017 13:08:45 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft's source code
In-Reply-To: <d8c8eed0-c9f4-b574-c3fc-3b01c094b279@audiosystemsgroup.com>
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I agree totally with K9YC.

 I work for a computer software company that sells pharmacy software.  We
do not give or Sell source code to our users.  This would open up all sorts
of support issues and allow our competitors to STEAL our lively-hood!

As Elecraft does, we listen to our customer needs and wants and add
features and software enhancements that WE ourselves code into the software.

73, John WB4YAL



*Many of life's problems can be solved by simply deciding what we can do
without. -JohnDolan  <https://www.qrz.com/db/WB4YAL>*

On Fri, May 12, 2017 at 12:39 PM, Jim Brown <jim at audiosystemsgroup.com>
wrote:

> On Fri,5/12/2017 5:34 AM, Kevin - K4VD wrote:
>
>> if
>> the code was open for experimentation and improvement by the wider
>> community then we could all benefit.
>>
>
> There are two really good reasons why Elecraft should NOT release their
> source code and allow access to the inside of the radio. 1) A LOT of
> additional resources would be required at Elecraft to address all of the
> cans of worms opened by other programmers who don't understand all of the
> variables of hardware and software. 2) There's the matter of intellectual
> property and the possibility of attempts by others to "rip off" Elecraft's
> design. The last thing most of us would like to see are third world
> imitation Elecraft radios at a fraction of the cost, simply because they've
> copied Elecraft's design, have no design costs, have no support costs, etc.
>
> 73, Jim K9YC
>
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From n9tf at comcast.net  Fri May 12 13:09:33 2017
From: n9tf at comcast.net (EUGENE GABRY)
Date: Fri, 12 May 2017 12:09:33 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft's source code
In-Reply-To: <d8c8eed0-c9f4-b574-c3fc-3b01c094b279@audiosystemsgroup.com>
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> On May 12, 2017 at 11:39 AM Jim Brown <jim at audiosystemsgroup.com> wrote:
> 
> There are two really good reasons why Elecraft should NOT release their 
> source code and allow access to the inside of the radio. 1) A LOT of 
> additional resources would be required at Elecraft to address all of the 
> cans of worms opened by other programmers who don't understand all of 
> the variables of hardware and software.

This one is an easy one if it were open... A very simply stated statement that any modifications done via re-writes of code are now responsibility of owner, warranty void.

 2) There's the matter of
 > intellectual property and the possibility of attempts by others to "rip 
> off" Elecraft's design. The last thing most of us would like to see are 
> third world imitation Elecraft radios at a fraction of the cost, simply 
> because they've copied Elecraft's design, have no design costs, have no 
> support costs, etc.

This one is the heart of not opening the source code. "The secret sauce". All the "me too's" would be out reverse engineering in a heart beat. 
>From what I have read so far here, there are several options out there with open source codes to play with. Sounds like those would be appropriate sand boxes to play in to satisfy ones creativity. That's also good for creating "good" competition, and forward moving technology.

Gene
N9TF

From hlyingst at yahoo.com  Fri May 12 13:51:03 2017
From: hlyingst at yahoo.com (Harry Yingst)
Date: Fri, 12 May 2017 17:51:03 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft's source code
In-Reply-To: <d337422a-07ca-9f17-0bf0-a28490f291a0@qrp4fun.de>
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Sadly there are a fair number of people who?would screw up their K3 radios?and than expect Elecraft to fix them.
On my little mcHF radio I bought it realizing that if I screw it up, then it's up to me to fix it and not blame the manufacturer.








      From: "Ingo Meyer, DK3RED" <mails at qrp4fun.de>
 To: Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> 
 Sent: Friday, May 12, 2017 1:03 PM
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft's source code
   
Hello Harry,


> Elecraft is in a bit of a Catch 22 because yes with open source they could get the benefits from it
> But it could also equate to more "warranty" work for Elecraft when someone messes up their radio.

I think this is the main reason to "close" the source code. I have seen the problem with 
open source on SDR software. Anyone who thinks he could also program or could better 
program modify the open source code and spread it. Who uses the modified code and finds an 
error with his transceiver/computer, turns to the manufacturer of the hardware and not the 
manufacturer of the software.
I like my Elecraft rigs (with the closed source). The developer team tested it and I can 
use it without jamming anywhere. Requests flow into the software after weighing.


73/72 de Ingo, DK3RED - Don't forget: the fun is the power!
www.qrp4fun.de - dk3red at qrp4fun.de
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From na5n at zianet.com  Fri May 12 14:03:36 2017
From: na5n at zianet.com (na5n at zianet.com)
Date: Fri, 12 May 2017 12:03:36 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft's source code
In-Reply-To: <d8c8eed0-c9f4-b574-c3fc-3b01c094b279@audiosystemsgroup.com>
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The success of food franchises, from McDonald's to Pizza Hut for example,  
is based on the fact you get the exact same yummy product whether you are  
in Seattle or Boston.  That success is called consistency.  Without that  
consistency, your product reputation suffers.  I see no difference with  
Elecraft or any other equipment manufacturer - all products need to  
function consistently with the same specifications.  Even in the used  
market.  There is no control over your product's performance once outside  
modifications are allowed and under a variety of skill levels, which could  
inadvertently degrade other performance factors of the radio. Pretty soon,  
people are buying used, hacked radios at ham fests or online and find them  
to be a piece of junk.  That seriously hurts a company's reputation for  
their products through no fault of their own.

I think Elecraft's decision for closed-source code is a smart engineering  
and business decision.  It ensures consistency in that every radio, whether  
new or used, functions properly and within specifications.  They keep full  
control of their product's performance and reputation.  And, as we have  
seen, they respond well to customer suggestions for new features or  
capabilities, which are fully company backed.

If you want to hack or custom program an SDR radio, there are platforms out  
there that allows you to do that which can be fun and educational in their  
own right.  If you want an Elecraft radio that works perfectly right out of  
the box, and stays that way, don't mess with it.  If you think it's lacking  
a feature, let them know.

72, Paul NA5N [KX2]

From dean.k2ww at gmail.com  Fri May 12 14:44:49 2017
From: dean.k2ww at gmail.com (Dean L)
Date: Fri, 12 May 2017 14:44:49 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] [KPA1500] Input Power
In-Reply-To: <cbcb6efc-675f-d2f0-26a7-d5a2379455cf@david-woolley.me.uk>
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Hopefully your assumptions are off track-
Sure would be nice addition to the kx3

73 all
Dean
K2WW

On May 12, 2017 9:17 AM, "David Woolley" <forums at david-woolley.me.uk> wrote:

> Using a pad would be bad design, as simply increasing the level of
> negative feedback would help reduce distortion.  The only way one could
> achieve a repeatable gain close to 15dB would be with negative feedback.
>
> Moreover, I assume it is an FCC condition that modification by the end not
> be easy.  You can assume that CB users wanting to use illegal powers have
> access to soldering irons.
>
> Also, I would assume that the design gain is actually less than 15dB, to
> allow for component tolerances.
>
> --
> David Woolley K2 06123
>
> On 12/05/17 02:43, Dr. William J. Schmidt wrote:
>
>> All of those popular devices have gain more than 15 dB... so there is a
>> pad in the amp to keep the gain at 15 dB. One would think that a "tweak"
>> will evolve to modify the pad (and possibly the firmware) to eliminate this
>> bothersome limit.
>>
>
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From k2av.guy at gmail.com  Fri May 12 15:52:50 2017
From: k2av.guy at gmail.com (Guy Olinger K2AV)
Date: Fri, 12 May 2017 15:52:50 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft's source code
In-Reply-To: <919922714.23186.1494608974147@connect.xfinity.com>
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On Fri, May 12, 2017 at 1:09 PM, EUGENE GABRY <n9tf at comcast.net> wrote:
> This one is an easy one if it were open... A very simply stated statement that any modifications done via re-writes of code are now responsibility of owner, warranty void.

---------

The truth, sadly, about schemes like this is that the customer,
knowing full well that they screwed it up, will often enough lie
through the teeth rather than admit they did something, and if they
are confronted with the illogic of the claim, will get downright nasty
trying to defend the lie, and then spread the ill-will around.

If the scheme is purely open source, all the way open source, every
time open source, then that experience has its own plusses and
minuses, but everyone gets it.

The problem is that blending open source and proprietary can kill the
advantages of either, and significantly runs up the cost, once all the
cows come home.

Just look at all the 3rd party software issues that get blamed on the
K3/K3S, and hashed out on this reflector. What do you do when the 3rd
party responsible for the software actually is the customer, who
doesn't want to believe they're complicit?

We have such a fortunate situation with Elecraft. I hope they just
keep doing what they're doing.

I'm really pleased they're taking on a 1500 watt solid state amp. That
means they're comfortable that they have solved all the things that
have so far plagued amps over 1000 watts. And even if there is a thing
or two needing mod on that down the road, they'll take care of it
without hanging the customer out to dry.

What a concept. Think maybe "If it ain't broke, don't try to fix it"
might apply to Elecraft's business model and philosophy?

73, Guy K2AV

From nr4c at widomaker.com  Fri May 12 16:00:07 2017
From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c)
Date: Fri, 12 May 2017 16:00:07 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Dual -Watch and KRX3A sub-receiver install in a K3s
In-Reply-To: <CAGC7P24kpVuZ9iJeNxR3kabLV1pDQXk82PCmLaMWOtybTb1NSQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <9055E806-A830-46CB-A3FC-D9AF2EB80CC6@widomaker.com>

Yes. The DSP board for the sub-rec is installed on the front panel. I too used to dread removing the panel but after the second time, it's no big deal. It is just a case of being careful when re-assembling. 

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill


On May 12, 2017, at 8:34 AM, Irwin Darack <idarack at gmail.com> wrote:

>> From everyone's comments, I realize that to have dual watch ( listen to two
> different frequency on the same band) on my K3s, I need to install the KRX3A
> sub-receiver. I have two K3s that I have built, one with the KRX3A and the
> second without. I am thinking of upgrading the second one with the
> sub-receiver now.
> 
> To install a KRX3A in an already built K3s do I need to remove the front
> panel? I am hoping that I do not as to reinstall the front panel you have
> to be very careful not to bend a pin. I realize that I have to install some
> new additional stand-offs on the main RF board. I have reviewed the KRX3A
> install instructions and it's a little confusing on the difference in a
> older K3 versus a K3s. It appears that you have to take the front panel
> totally apart?
> 
> Looking forward to see everyone at Dayton (Xenia).
> 
> Thanks, Irwin KD3TB
> -- 
> Irwin KD3TB
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From dave at nk7z.net  Fri May 12 16:11:18 2017
From: dave at nk7z.net (Dave Cole)
Date: Fri, 12 May 2017 13:11:18 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft's source code
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Among other reasons, Open Source software packages, even for large well 
used packages, that have hundreds of thousands more users than Elecraft 
could ever dream of, (like OpenOffice, oh wait, that is dead now, I mean 
LibreOffice), have times when there are no maintainers...

I would like to avoid this with my Elecraft, so Open Source is not the 
answer here...  In fact, I might have not purchased my K3 if it were 
Open Sourced...  The K-Line would turn into a science experiment if it 
were Open Sourced.

I also run Linux, as my main OS, and love Open Sourced software, but the 
K3 is not the item for it...

73s and thanks,
Dave
NK7Z
http://www.nk7z.net

From jwsturges at gmail.com  Fri May 12 16:34:30 2017
From: jwsturges at gmail.com (Jim Sr Sturges)
Date: Fri, 12 May 2017 20:34:30 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: HRD multiple "stations" AND portable comfort
Message-ID: <CABPLeqq91YhSvv+gNk+MXSbjKH0KaWW3ewuJeW1+DJMsS0btLA@mail.gmail.com>

First post, and sorry it's off topic.

I have been fruitlessly searching for a convenient way to switch HRD v6
between locations and rigs/antennas. Any help?

As I approach my 72nd birthday, sitting on the ground after throwing a
randomwire into a tree is difficult. I'd like to find an integral
lightweight chair/table/sunshade combo to supplement the KX2 go kit. Any
help there?

Thanks in advance. Expecting good results from the many contributors I've
observed while lurking.

73 from Greenville, SC,

Jim, N3SZ

From kevin at k4vd.net  Fri May 12 16:46:55 2017
From: kevin at k4vd.net (Kevin - K4VD)
Date: Fri, 12 May 2017 16:46:55 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft's source code
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?And we certainly don't want science experiments in ham radio. Oh no.?
Someone might get hurt.

?Someone asked about open source code for Elecraft. Answering him with,
no... you might break something, is a lousy answer.

Companies can choose one way or the other. I'm not arguing that point. It
really is a decision for CEOs and CFOs and owners and bored directors.
While I'm aware of one open source Elecraft project (scary, isn't it) I'm
not expecting them open up their code for all to see. But as a community of
hams I am amazed at how we are shooting this guy's idea down dead. Then
kicking it. Then maybe shooting it again instead of commiserating with him
about all the cool things that might be missed because things are closed.

73,
Kev, K4VD
Reforming Curmudgeon

From cautery at montac.com  Fri May 12 16:50:02 2017
From: cautery at montac.com (Clay Autery)
Date: Fri, 12 May 2017 15:50:02 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: HRD multiple "stations" AND portable comfort
In-Reply-To: <CABPLeqq91YhSvv+gNk+MXSbjKH0KaWW3ewuJeW1+DJMsS0btLA@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <834493eb-8ac7-3796-8f70-d3cd723a62c4@montac.com>

Well.... 

Tools-->Configure-->My Station

You can create as many stations as necessary to handle different
locations and equipment setups...

Note:  If you are using LoTW, you'll need to pay attention to the
station distance rules, et al to decide if you need more than one set of
TQSL credentials...

______________________
Clay Autery, KY5G
MONTAC Enterprises
(318) 518-1389

On 5/12/2017 3:34 PM, Jim Sr Sturges wrote:
> First post, and sorry it's off topic.
>
> I have been fruitlessly searching for a convenient way to switch HRD v6
> between locations and rigs/antennas. Any help?
>

From sancho at frawg.org  Fri May 12 17:02:17 2017
From: sancho at frawg.org (Jack Spitznagel)
Date: Fri, 12 May 2017 17:02:17 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: HRD multiple "stations" AND portable comfort
In-Reply-To: <CABPLeqq91YhSvv+gNk+MXSbjKH0KaWW3ewuJeW1+DJMsS0btLA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABPLeqq91YhSvv+gNk+MXSbjKH0KaWW3ewuJeW1+DJMsS0btLA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B05E62B6-6C14-48B1-8571-ECB06EF78166@frawg.org>

Jim, 

I am not an HRD expert, but I have used the feature in DM780 that sets up multiple Log Entry profiles to do just what you want. All you have to do is put in a profile and a Locator combination for where you are and each rig you might use at that location. I have 8 combinations now that I can select depending on the situation.

Once you have opened DM780 and the Logbook in HRD, go to the Logbook Menu, select My Station, and you will find the editor that lets you create or remove as many locations as you need.

Jack KD4IZ 

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 12, 2017, at 16:34, Jim Sr Sturges <jwsturges at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> First post, and sorry it's off topic.
> 
> I have been fruitlessly searching for a convenient way to switch HRD v6
> between locations and rigs/antennas. Any help?
> 
> As I approach my 72nd birthday, sitting on the ground after throwing a
> randomwire into a tree is difficult. I'd like to find an integral
> lightweight chair/table/sunshade combo to supplement the KX2 go kit. Any
> help there?
> 
> Thanks in advance. Expecting good results from the many contributors I've
> observed while lurking.
> 
> 73 from Greenville, SC,
> 
> Jim, N3SZ
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From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Fri May 12 17:02:40 2017
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Fri, 12 May 2017 14:02:40 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft's source code
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On Fri,5/12/2017 1:46 PM, Kevin - K4VD wrote:
> But as a community of
> hams I am amazed at how we are shooting this guy's idea down dead. Then
> kicking it. Then maybe shooting it again instead of commiserating with him
> about all the cool things that might be missed because things are closed.

I'm at least as big a curmudgeon as anyone, but I've also made my living 
as a systems engineer for 30+ years and in pro sales for more than ten. 
This discussion is about "the big picture," which Elecraft has proved 
over and over again that they really understand that. I've been watching 
them for 15 years, and I've yet to see them make a marketing decision 
that I'd rate less than very good.

Ham radio is a very broad hobby. Elecraft sells products targeted to the 
needs and desires of hams they have identified as "their customers." 
Elecraft has chosen to NOT open their code or their radio. That's the 
product they are selling and that we are buying. Those who want to write 
code for their radio are not in that target group. If you want an open 
source radio, buy one of several other products that are available.

73, Jim K9YC


From hhoyt at mebtel.net  Fri May 12 17:07:32 2017
From: hhoyt at mebtel.net (Howard Hoyt)
Date: Fri, 12 May 2017 17:07:32 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] New Product Announcement
In-Reply-To: <4602AF9F-A71B-4369-B067-7D04D82D64A9@elecraft.com>
References: <4602AF9F-A71B-4369-B067-7D04D82D64A9@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <23dc1b41-6a6a-6ad3-e754-b0e252cc96fe@mebtel.net>

Hi all,

As the Xenia Hamvention approaches and by our customer's demands we are 
introducing a new heatsink for the Elecraft KX2.  We have been told by 
people running the rig in digital modes at 10W the unit will thermal 
down after a few transmit cycles, so this is our solution:
https://proaudioeng.com/pae-kx22-heatsink-elecraft-kx2/
Please visit the site for more information.

If you are in Xenia at the Hamvention next week, come visit us in Booth 
1610, right across from Elecraft!

Cheers & 73,
Howie - WA4PSC
www.proaudioeng.com

From n9tf at comcast.net  Fri May 12 17:16:54 2017
From: n9tf at comcast.net (EUGENE GABRY)
Date: Fri, 12 May 2017 16:16:54 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft's source code
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The really cool thing is, anyone with enough ambition, curiosity, and knowledge, can do the exact same things as what the entrepreneurs at Elecraft did from "scratch". And the really, really cool thing with that could be new ground breaking technology and innovations. I would never look at a closed door as missing out, but a challenge to find a work around. In that process better ways are always found, and that keeps the pressure on everyone to do better.  


73 Gene

N9TF  

> 
>     On May 12, 2017 at 3:46 PM Kevin - K4VD <kevin at k4vd.net> wrote:
> 
>     And we certainly don't want science experiments in ham radio. Oh no.
>     Someone might get hurt.
> 
>     Someone asked about open source code for Elecraft. Answering him with,
>     no... you might break something, is a lousy answer.
> 
>     Companies can choose one way or the other. I'm not arguing that point. It
>     really is a decision for CEOs and CFOs and owners and bored directors.
>     While I'm aware of one open source Elecraft project (scary, isn't it) I'm
>     not expecting them open up their code for all to see. But as a community of
>     hams I am amazed at how we are shooting this guy's idea down dead. Then
>     kicking it. Then maybe shooting it again instead of commiserating with him
>     about all the cool things that might be missed because things are closed.
> 
>     73,
>     Kev, K4VD
>     Reforming Curmudgeon
> 
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From ctate at ewnetinc.com  Fri May 12 17:24:38 2017
From: ctate at ewnetinc.com (Chris Tate - N6WM)
Date: Fri, 12 May 2017 21:24:38 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] New Product Announcement
In-Reply-To: <23dc1b41-6a6a-6ad3-e754-b0e252cc96fe@mebtel.net>
References: <4602AF9F-A71B-4369-B067-7D04D82D64A9@elecraft.com>,
	<23dc1b41-6a6a-6ad3-e754-b0e252cc96fe@mebtel.net>
Message-ID: <236350B81BC09D42B8C3B41A97C654DD1D722850@AUSP01DAG0504.collaborationhost.net>

Howie are you guys gonna make one without the protective handles?  Just wonderin.. its gonna be hard to stuff it into the stock bag,  heatsink may fit but definitely not the handles.  I am sure they are great for added knob protection just unfortunately at the expense of the travel footprint.  not a gripe.. just a friendly observation. 
________________________________________
From: Elecraft [elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] on behalf of Howard Hoyt [hhoyt at mebtel.net]
Sent: Friday, May 12, 2017 2:07 PM
To: Elecraft Reflector; KX3 at yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] New Product Announcement

Hi all,

As the Xenia Hamvention approaches and by our customer's demands we are
introducing a new heatsink for the Elecraft KX2.  We have been told by
people running the rig in digital modes at 10W the unit will thermal
down after a few transmit cycles, so this is our solution:
https://proaudioeng.com/pae-kx22-heatsink-elecraft-kx2/
Please visit the site for more information.

If you are in Xenia at the Hamvention next week, come visit us in Booth
1610, right across from Elecraft!

Cheers & 73,
Howie - WA4PSC
www.proaudioeng.com
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From dave at nk7z.net  Fri May 12 17:46:19 2017
From: dave at nk7z.net (Dave Cole)
Date: Fri, 12 May 2017 14:46:19 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft's source code
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Respectfully, you are wrong, and sarcasm is not beneficial to making 
your point.  Further, there is no need for you to go all digital on 
this...

Clearly I did not say all science experiments are bad, please review my 
post, and view it in the context it was offered in and not via the 
filter of some alternate quantum universe, where we can only have, all, 
or nothing, with no idea which is not in the extreme rebutted with a 
sarcastic answer.  If you have a point to make, please state it clearly, 
not sarcastically.

Again, respectfully, for me, and I suspect most of us in the normal, non 
quantum universe, saying Open Source might break something is perfectly 
acceptable.  Here is an example...  Open Source the NASA launch commit 
software, then crawl into the next manned vehicle for launch and see how 
comfortable you are...  Again, context is everything...

Here again, an extreme viewpoint on your part-- I am not "shooting 
anyone down dead", and I don't think others are, I am offering an 
alternate viewpoint, and opinion as to why I believe Open Sourcing the 
code for a commercial in production, well know, well respected radio, 
with a stellar reputation is a bad idea.

If one takes everything in the extreme, then everything looks extreme. 
Think context...  When you respond in the extreme it polarizes the 
entire issue...  CONTEXT is everything.

73s and thanks,
Dave
NK7Z
http://www.nk7z.net

On 05/12/2017 01:46 PM, Kevin - K4VD wrote:
> ?And we certainly don't want science experiments in ham radio. Oh no.?
> Someone might get hurt.
>
> ?Someone asked about open source code for Elecraft. Answering him with,
> no... you might break something, is a lousy answer.
>
> Companies can choose one way or the other. I'm not arguing that point. It
> really is a decision for CEOs and CFOs and owners and bored directors.
> While I'm aware of one open source Elecraft project (scary, isn't it) I'm
> not expecting them open up their code for all to see. But as a community of
> hams I am amazed at how we are shooting this guy's idea down dead. Then
> kicking it. Then maybe shooting it again instead of commiserating with him
> about all the cool things that might be missed because things are closed.
>
> 73,
> Kev, K4VD
> Reforming Curmudgeon
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From hhoyt at mebtel.net  Fri May 12 17:56:45 2017
From: hhoyt at mebtel.net (Howard Hoyt)
Date: Fri, 12 May 2017 17:56:45 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] New Product Announcement
In-Reply-To: <236350B81BC09D42B8C3B41A97C654DD1D722850@AUSP01DAG0504.collaborationhost.net>
References: <4602AF9F-A71B-4369-B067-7D04D82D64A9@elecraft.com>
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Message-ID: <d87a21f2-a3f9-9a7e-0792-9ecf39708d48@mebtel.net>

Hi Chris,

I bought the LowePro CS60 bag from Elecraft, and with the Kx22 and GEMS 
handle and cover on it, the KX2 fits fine in the bag.  It is true that 
the handles and cover stick up 1/2" farther than the knobs, but as you 
point out, with the cover the knobs and display are protected, and the 
CS60 bag still zips shut without any fuss. It is just my personal 
preference, but given the LowePro bag is soft-sided and offers little 
impact protection, I strongly prefer to have the GEMS cover in place 
when traveling with the $800 KX2, it is inexpensive protection for sure!

All this being said, if we get enough requests for a heatsink without 
the handles I am sure we can do it.

Cheers & 73,

Howie - WA4PSC
www.proaudioeng.com


On 5/12/2017 5:24 PM, Chris Tate - N6WM wrote:
> Howie are you guys gonna make one without the protective handles?  Just wonderin.. its gonna be hard to stuff it into the stock bag,  heatsink may fit but definitely not the handles.  I am sure they are great for added knob protection just unfortunately at the expense of the travel footprint.  not a gripe.. just a friendly observation.
>


From kengkopp at gmail.com  Fri May 12 18:07:12 2017
From: kengkopp at gmail.com (Ken G Kopp)
Date: Fri, 12 May 2017 16:07:12 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] New Product Announcement
In-Reply-To: <236350B81BC09D42B8C3B41A97C654DD1D722850@AUSP01DAG0504.collaborationhost.net>
References: <4602AF9F-A71B-4369-B067-7D04D82D64A9@elecraft.com>
	<23dc1b41-6a6a-6ad3-e754-b0e252cc96fe@mebtel.net>
	<236350B81BC09D42B8C3B41A97C654DD1D722850@AUSP01DAG0504.collaborationhost.net>
Message-ID: <CAD4CdTOG-R4T2=4EPkDiSOWfSsE7KrGZEy2YN=W1v-f+5pArBw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Chris!

I make several versions of cases for KX2's, KX3's and PX3's.  All accept
these units with both Howie's and Scott's offerings.

See: http://tinyurl.com/7lm3m5

73!

Rose - N7HKW

On May 12, 2017 3:25 PM, "Chris Tate - N6WM" <ctate at ewnetinc.com> wrote:

> Howie are you guys gonna make one without the protective handles?  Just
> wonderin.. its gonna be hard to stuff it into the stock bag,  heatsink may
> fit but definitely not the handles.  I am sure they are great for added
> knob protection just unfortunately at the expense of the travel footprint.
> not a gripe.. just a friendly observation.
> ________________________________________
> From: Elecraft [elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] on behalf of Howard
> Hoyt [hhoyt at mebtel.net]
> Sent: Friday, May 12, 2017 2:07 PM
> To: Elecraft Reflector; KX3 at yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] New Product Announcement
>
> Hi all,
>
> As the Xenia Hamvention approaches and by our customer's demands we are
> introducing a new heatsink for the Elecraft KX2.  We have been told by
> people running the rig in digital modes at 10W the unit will thermal
> down after a few transmit cycles, so this is our solution:
> https://proaudioeng.com/pae-kx22-heatsink-elecraft-kx2/
> Please visit the site for more information.
>
> If you are in Xenia at the Hamvention next week, come visit us in Booth
> 1610, right across from Elecraft!
>
> Cheers & 73,
> Howie - WA4PSC
> www.proaudioeng.com
> ______________________________________________________________
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From tom.hellem at gmail.com  Fri May 12 18:45:15 2017
From: tom.hellem at gmail.com (Tom Hellem)
Date: Fri, 12 May 2017 16:45:15 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 For Club Radio?
Message-ID: <CANyX0ApVJohCNhDDUXNRTXwm6jfGXPrfKYyDNHMO3jhe=bKYdg@mail.gmail.com>

Our local radio club is considering the purchase of a K-2/100 to be
used as a club radio. Its primary useage will be as a contest radio for
events like Field Day, etc. I am looking for input from you list members
who have experience with the K-2 as to its suitability for this purpose.
I personally am not familiar with the radio and my concern would be
mainly in the area of ease-of-use for those operators who are not especially
experienced or knowledgeable  in using modern transceivers.

Thanks in advance for any input you might offer.

73
Tom Hellem
K0SN
Missoula, MT

From k3ndm at comcast.net  Fri May 12 19:06:56 2017
From: k3ndm at comcast.net (Barry)
Date: Fri, 12 May 2017 23:06:56 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 For Club Radio?
In-Reply-To: <CANyX0ApVJohCNhDDUXNRTXwm6jfGXPrfKYyDNHMO3jhe=bKYdg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANyX0ApVJohCNhDDUXNRTXwm6jfGXPrfKYyDNHMO3jhe=bKYdg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <embe0ecf48-7926-446c-bef0-268740f17740@laptop3>

Tom,
     I built a K2 to use for Field Day. I had borrowed one before 
building mine to make sure of my decision; my club at the time was using 
QRP on batteries for FD. I had the only good radio on site as everyone 
else were running FT-817s. I could work through them, but they had 
problems when I was transmitting. Unquestionably, the K2 works. My guess 
is you might have some difficulty at the 100 Watt level if you are 
careless with site layout, but you could be somewhat cavalier at the 5 
Watt level.

     I did not build the 100 Watt version, just the QRP version. My 
concern was having a good receiver that would tolerate 4-6 stations 
being physically close. My K2 passed that test and I can't think of a 
better all analog radio. Oh yes, I sold my K2 only because I fell for a 
KX3.

73,
Barry
K3NDM

------ Original Message ------
From: "Tom Hellem" <tom.hellem at gmail.com>
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Sent: 5/12/2017 6:45:15 PM
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 For Club Radio?

>Our local radio club is considering the purchase of a K-2/100 to be
>used as a club radio. Its primary useage will be as a contest radio for
>events like Field Day, etc. I am looking for input from you list 
>members
>who have experience with the K-2 as to its suitability for this 
>purpose.
>I personally am not familiar with the radio and my concern would be
>mainly in the area of ease-of-use for those operators who are not 
>especially
>experienced or knowledgeable  in using modern transceivers.
>
>Thanks in advance for any input you might offer.
>
>73
>Tom Hellem
>K0SN
>Missoula, MT
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From eric.csuf at gmail.com  Fri May 12 19:18:39 2017
From: eric.csuf at gmail.com (EricJ)
Date: Fri, 12 May 2017 16:18:39 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 For Club Radio?
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It was designed to be a Field Day radio so no problem there.

It's a pretty easy radio for routine use.  You might have to set up some 
features via menus initially, but once set up the inexperienced ops 
should have no problems tuning, band changing, mode changing etc.

A great radio.

Eric KE6US


On 5/12/2017 3:45 PM, Tom Hellem wrote:
> Our local radio club is considering the purchase of a K-2/100 to be
> used as a club radio. Its primary useage will be as a contest radio for
> events like Field Day, etc. I am looking for input from you list members
> who have experience with the K-2 as to its suitability for this purpose.
> I personally am not familiar with the radio and my concern would be
> mainly in the area of ease-of-use for those operators who are not especially
> experienced or knowledgeable  in using modern transceivers.
>
> Thanks in advance for any input you might offer.
>
> 73
> Tom Hellem
> K0SN
> Missoula, MT
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From eric_csuf at hotmail.com  Fri May 12 19:20:35 2017
From: eric_csuf at hotmail.com (Eric J)
Date: Fri, 12 May 2017 23:20:35 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 For Club Radio?
In-Reply-To: <CANyX0ApVJohCNhDDUXNRTXwm6jfGXPrfKYyDNHMO3jhe=bKYdg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANyX0ApVJohCNhDDUXNRTXwm6jfGXPrfKYyDNHMO3jhe=bKYdg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BN3PR0301MB0884DF180A0126ABB9CB3F9F8EE20@BN3PR0301MB0884.namprd03.prod.outlook.com>

It was designed to be the ultimate Field Day radio in the first place so 
no problem there.

It's a pretty easy radio for routine use.  You might have to set up some 
features via menus initially, but once set up the inexperienced ops 
should have no problems tuning, band changing, mode changing etc.

A great radio.

Eric KE6US
On 5/12/2017 3:45 PM, Tom Hellem wrote:
> Our local radio club is considering the purchase of a K-2/100 to be
> used as a club radio. Its primary useage will be as a contest radio for
> events like Field Day, etc. I am looking for input from you list members
> who have experience with the K-2 as to its suitability for this purpose.
> I personally am not familiar with the radio and my concern would be
> mainly in the area of ease-of-use for those operators who are not especially
> experienced or knowledgeable  in using modern transceivers.
>
> Thanks in advance for any input you might offer.
>
> 73
> Tom Hellem
> K0SN
> Missoula, MT
> ______________________________________________________________
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> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
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From kp4y at yahoo.com  Fri May 12 19:20:46 2017
From: kp4y at yahoo.com (Robert Vargas-KP4Y)
Date: Fri, 12 May 2017 19:20:46 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft's source code
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Kev, I can't agree more with you, excellent response. I'm also amazed with some of the responses under this thread. I wonder what their reaction would have been if back in the day Yaesu or Kenwood had sold them an hermetically sealed radio to keep them from experimenting with their radio as they see fit or stealing their trade secret. I would argue that's actually a little against the spirit of ham radio. BTW, since the new generation of SDRs perform all main functions, such as modulation, mixing,filtering, etc. numerically within a chip, experimenting with their firmware/software will be pretty much the main way to tinker with these radios. However, I totally understand the decision to use open source is a business prerogative of Elecraft, which is the reason why I also have an Apache Labs radio to experiment with. That platform has many volunteer developing firmware and software and, after frequent updates, nothing has gotten broken beyond repair thus far. ? 

73,
Robert-KP4Y/W4



Sent from my iPhone

> On May 12, 2017, at 4:46 PM, Kevin - K4VD <kevin at k4vd.net> wrote:
> 
> ?And we certainly don't want science experiments in ham radio. Oh no.?
> Someone might get hurt.
> 
> ?Someone asked about open source code for Elecraft. Answering him with,
> no... you might break something, is a lousy answer.
> 
> Companies can choose one way or the other. I'm not arguing that point. It
> really is a decision for CEOs and CFOs and owners and bored directors.
> While I'm aware of one open source Elecraft project (scary, isn't it) I'm
> not expecting them open up their code for all to see. But as a community of
> hams I am amazed at how we are shooting this guy's idea down dead. Then
> kicking it. Then maybe shooting it again instead of commiserating with him
> about all the cool things that might be missed because things are closed.
> 
> 73,
> Kev, K4VD
> Reforming Curmudgeon
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From hlyingst at yahoo.com  Fri May 12 20:13:30 2017
From: hlyingst at yahoo.com (Harry Yingst)
Date: Sat, 13 May 2017 00:13:30 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] K2/K3 AB Test (Unscientific)
In-Reply-To: <CANyX0ApVJohCNhDDUXNRTXwm6jfGXPrfKYyDNHMO3jhe=bKYdg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANyX0ApVJohCNhDDUXNRTXwm6jfGXPrfKYyDNHMO3jhe=bKYdg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1867083339.102583.1494634410469@mail.yahoo.com>

I was just playing around doing some A/B test between my recently built K2 andmy K3 using the same antenna and the same speakers (Elecraft SP3 Speakers)
I really didn't notice much of difference in signal strength between the two radios.I dialed the K3's bandwidth down to 2.4 kHz and found they sounded very similar.
The K2 may not have all the bells and whistles but it's still an impressive little radio.



From eric at elecraft.com  Fri May 12 21:16:59 2017
From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft)
Date: Fri, 12 May 2017 18:16:59 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft's source code
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Let's close the source code thread now in the interest of reducing list overload 
for our other readers.

This is a repeat of several prior threads that are easily read via the Nabble 
list archive, which can be reached via:

http://www.elecraft.com/elist.html

73,
Eric
Moderator
/elecraft.com/



From rcrgs at verizon.net  Fri May 12 22:56:08 2017
From: rcrgs at verizon.net (Robert G Strickland)
Date: Sat, 13 May 2017 02:56:08 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 For Club Radio?
In-Reply-To: <CANyX0ApVJohCNhDDUXNRTXwm6jfGXPrfKYyDNHMO3jhe=bKYdg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANyX0ApVJohCNhDDUXNRTXwm6jfGXPrfKYyDNHMO3jhe=bKYdg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <591675C8.8000802@verizon.net>

Tom...

I have used my K2 on three field days recently and am about to take it 
on the club field day coming up. Works great. I have a K3 with KP500, so 
I do have some experience comparing the two. Obviously, the K3 is the 
"better" radio. That said, the K2 is really close. Added to that is the 
fun of building it and the K2 mojo. It's not hard to operate, allowing 
for the nested menus. The average ham can get with it pretty quickly.

Fond memories of Missoula and Montana from the 60's.

...robert

On 05/12/2017 22:45, Tom Hellem wrote:
> Our local radio club is considering the purchase of a K-2/100 to be
> used as a club radio. Its primary useage will be as a contest radio for
> events like Field Day, etc. I am looking for input from you list members
> who have experience with the K-2 as to its suitability for this purpose.
> I personally am not familiar with the radio and my concern would be
> mainly in the area of ease-of-use for those operators who are not especially
> experienced or knowledgeable  in using modern transceivers.
>
> Thanks in advance for any input you might offer.
>
> 73
> Tom Hellem
> K0SN
> Missoula, MT
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From kengkopp at gmail.com  Fri May 12 23:13:55 2017
From: kengkopp at gmail.com (Ken G Kopp)
Date: Fri, 12 May 2017 21:13:55 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Who's coming to Deer Lodge, MT?
Message-ID: <CAD4CdTPctFiDwsamGQkXN7+RG0KqiyGxVkdw3+8KsLEjFfT7JQ@mail.gmail.com>

I recently received a message from a list member telling me that
he was planning a trip to the Deer Lodge area of Western Montana.

Now I can't find the message and I'd like to welcome you for a visit.

Rose would enjoy showing you her sewing room, better known as
Rose's Cases and Covers.

73!

Ken Kopp - K0PP

From ki8w at ki8w.com  Fri May 12 23:23:40 2017
From: ki8w at ki8w.com (Thom)
Date: Fri, 12 May 2017 23:23:40 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K1 Question
In-Reply-To: <CAD4CdTPctFiDwsamGQkXN7+RG0KqiyGxVkdw3+8KsLEjFfT7JQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAD4CdTPctFiDwsamGQkXN7+RG0KqiyGxVkdw3+8KsLEjFfT7JQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7048c3dc-7ceb-6ca9-861a-da9008717c20@ki8w.com>

Howdy All,

Started building my Elecraft K1 this evening.  All is going well, so 
far,  with the KFL1-2 board.  Just finished installing all components up 
to the toroids on the 40 meter band.

I am confused about the 80 Khz or 150 Khz tuning range setting.

Is this for 30 meters only or for every band?

I installed the 15.000 Mhz crystal for 40 meters at X1.  Will the tuning 
range be 80 Khz or 150 khz?

The manual says the most used portion of every band for the 80 khz setting.

I am confused about how to set that on the 40 meter band.

Thanks

73

Thom KI8W





From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Sat May 13 00:03:34 2017
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sat, 13 May 2017 00:03:34 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K1 Question
In-Reply-To: <7048c3dc-7ceb-6ca9-861a-da9008717c20@ki8w.com>
References: <CAD4CdTPctFiDwsamGQkXN7+RG0KqiyGxVkdw3+8KsLEjFfT7JQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<7048c3dc-7ceb-6ca9-861a-da9008717c20@ki8w.com>
Message-ID: <53ac2380-e8e0-b395-4194-cc78d33ff22f@embarqmail.com>

Thom,

The 80 kHz or 150 kHz is the range for all bands.
For most bands, the active CW portion is within the first 80 kHz of the 
lower band edge, so there is no need to be concerned about which crystal 
will be used.

However, on 30 meters, if you choose to use the 18.000 MHz crystal so 
you can tune to WWV at 10.000 MHz, then with the VFO tuning range of 80 
kHz, you will tune from 10.000 to 10.080 kHz which is always below the 
30 meter ham band (10.100 to 10.150).  So if you choose the 80 kHz VFO 
range, you must use the 18.100 MHz crystal so the tuning is from 10.100 
to 10.180 MHz (greater than the 30 meter band high frequency).

If you choose to use the 150 kHz VFO range, you will want to use the 
18.000 MHz 30 meter crystal since you can tune to WWV on the low end and 
also tune the entire 30 meter ham band since the high frequency on 30 
meters will be 10.150 MHz or greater.

With the 150 kHz VFO tuning range, the tuning will be a bit more 
"touchy" than with the 80 kHz range because each turn on the VFO knob 
covers twice the frequency variation.

The choice is yours.
Looking at it the 'other way around' - if you want to cover the 40 meter 
band from 7.000 to 7.150 MHz to work those stations that  work in the 
old novice portion of 40 meters, then you would choose the 150 kHz 
option.  It does not matter much on other bands (except 30 meters) 
because most CW activity is in the lower 80 kHz of the band.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 5/12/2017 11:23 PM, Thom wrote:
> Howdy All,
> 
> Started building my Elecraft K1 this evening.  All is going well, so 
> far,  with the KFL1-2 board.  Just finished installing all components up 
> to the toroids on the 40 meter band.
> 
> I am confused about the 80 Khz or 150 Khz tuning range setting.
> 
> Is this for 30 meters only or for every band?
> 
> I installed the 15.000 Mhz crystal for 40 meters at X1.  Will the tuning 
> range be 80 Khz or 150 khz?
> 
> The manual says the most used portion of every band for the 80 khz setting.
> 
> I am confused about how to set that on the 40 meter band.

From ctate at ewnetinc.com  Sat May 13 02:34:40 2017
From: ctate at ewnetinc.com (Chris Tate - N6WM)
Date: Sat, 13 May 2017 06:34:40 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] New Product Announcement
In-Reply-To: <d87a21f2-a3f9-9a7e-0792-9ecf39708d48@mebtel.net>
References: <4602AF9F-A71B-4369-B067-7D04D82D64A9@elecraft.com>
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Howie,

thanks as always for your prompt response, and yes much of what you say makes sense.

For me, the KX2's small size is its true market value.  It's a rig that can be taken everywhere and anywhere, and is easily explained in most odd customs situations particularly in carry on scenarios.  Its portability is key.

I imagine with the right case there is not an issue.... I of course purchased the smallest of cases and have managed to cram the radio, along with reasonable antennas for 20m up into the case along with the rig.

Its really the antennas and not the radio that are the problem at this point.  Perhaps I will research better cases, and perhaps so discussions with Rose are in order as well (thanks for your email as well Rose).  Just trying to keep everything as compact as possible.

Truly a wonderful group of supporters out here!!

Chris
N6WM

-----Original Message-----
From: Howard Hoyt [mailto:hhoyt at mebtel.net] 
Sent: Friday, May 12, 2017 2:57 PM
To: Chris Tate - N6WM <ctate at ewnetinc.com>; Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>; KX3 at yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] New Product Announcement

Hi Chris,

I bought the LowePro CS60 bag from Elecraft, and with the Kx22 and GEMS handle and cover on it, the KX2 fits fine in the bag.  It is true that the handles and cover stick up 1/2" farther than the knobs, but as you point out, with the cover the knobs and display are protected, and the
CS60 bag still zips shut without any fuss. It is just my personal preference, but given the LowePro bag is soft-sided and offers little impact protection, I strongly prefer to have the GEMS cover in place when traveling with the $800 KX2, it is inexpensive protection for sure!

All this being said, if we get enough requests for a heatsink without the handles I am sure we can do it.

Cheers & 73,

Howie - WA4PSC
www.proaudioeng.com


On 5/12/2017 5:24 PM, Chris Tate - N6WM wrote:
> Howie are you guys gonna make one without the protective handles?  Just wonderin.. its gonna be hard to stuff it into the stock bag,  heatsink may fit but definitely not the handles.  I am sure they are great for added knob protection just unfortunately at the expense of the travel footprint.  not a gripe.. just a friendly observation.
>


From kl7uw at acsalaska.net  Sat May 13 03:26:43 2017
From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole)
Date: Fri, 12 May 2017 23:26:43 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft's source code
Message-ID: <201705130726.v4D7QjV7002579@mail41c28.carrierzone.com>

Been reading the mail on this topic.

My take is that the K3 and K3S do not provide external access to the 
IQ digital stream so one cannot run any other software on a computer 
interconnected to the radios.  Firmware is held under Elecraft 
control and not open source, and one would have to download using the 
Elecraft Utility.

Had the K3 provided IQ access my dual-pol adaptive receiver design 
would have been simpler/easier.

But listening to their customer base, Elecraft provided external 
interface of KX3 IQ baseband audio so one could try any number of SDR 
programs in one's computer (interconnected thru the soundcard to the 
radio).  KX2 may also provide this (I am not enough familiar with 
details for this radio).

I have not made the IQ interface for my KX3 (as yet), but will do so someday.

But as others have pointed out, several SDR are now out in the market 
which one can "play with" open source sw.

73, Ed - KL7UW
   http://www.kl7uw.com
Dubus-NA Business mail:
   dubususa at gmail.com 


From droese at necg.de  Sat May 13 05:10:35 2017
From: droese at necg.de (=?UTF-8?Q?Oliver_Dr=c3=b6se?=)
Date: Sat, 13 May 2017 11:10:35 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] No USB audio output from K3/0 Mini
In-Reply-To: <CACDL7B3-xmKjhCJ0U6FzaKNrH0RqVGH-_+YKyDQc7Tsm7q51BA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAOgtrSmNAwGpYn-L2xh1zm8qDCN1sRJEkvo=Q9jYgtDqbwebsg@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <f75d845f-414c-59f9-fe74-a02061e440d9@necg.de>

That interpretation was correct, Ian. Sorry for not being clear enough 
in the beginning. The mini's internal sound card is hardwired concerning 
the in- and outputs so to get it working in a sense that Palle want's 
some hardware modification would be needed.

73, Olli

Contest, DX & radio projects: http://www.dh8bqa.de


Am 12.05.2017 um 02:57 schrieb iain macdonnell - N6ML:
> On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 5:20 PM, Palle Preben-Hansen, OZ1RH
> <palle at oz1rh.com> wrote:
>> If TX and RX audio are reversed on the Mini's USB port the simple solution
>> seems to reverse TX and RX audio once more by software, either by selecting
>> the Input as USB speakers and Output as USB microphone in WSJT or wherever
>> software is used or if that is not possible then to use two virtual audio
>> cables and cross them.
>>
>> Any reason that two virtual audio cables in the pc at the control site
>> can't reverse Input and Output of the USB audio devices of the K3/0-Mini?
> I don't think that's what Olli meant by "reversed". I think he means
> that audio received from the K3/0-Mini via the USB "codec" would be
> audio that was intended to be conveyed (by the PC) to a remote peer
> for transmission (e.g. from a mic connected to the K3/0-Mini), and
> audio sent to the K3/0-Mini via USB "codec" would be output through
> its speaker or headphones, as if it had been received from a remote
> peer.... so you can't send audio to the K3/0-Mini through the USB
> "codec" and expect it to get passed along via the RemoteRig on the
> other side, no matter what fancy virtual plumbing you do in software.
>
> I don't have a K3/0-Mini or RemoteRig setup, but that's the only
> interpretation that makes sense to me.
>
>
>> The best solution would be if the K3/0-Mini's USB port Input and Output
>> audio could be configured (=reversed) by the Config menu of the K3/0-Mini.
>> In that case the K3/0-Mini's USB port could be configured by the user for
>> either Remoterig hardware or software RemoteHams.com and it would be easy
>> to switch.
> But it'd have to be electrically switched inside, and I suspect that
> such switching is not implemented (in hardware).
>
> Just "guessing" ;)
>
> 73,
>
>      ~iain / N6ML
>
>
>
>> On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 9:02 PM, Oliver Dr?se <droese at necg.de> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Palle,
>>>
>>> this won't work. TX and RX audio are reversed on the mini's USB port as
>>> it's intend is to interface to the PC and use that as a relay to the remote
>>> (as an alternative to the RRC boxes). It's a real pity it is not jumper
>>> configurable inside as this renders the USB port useless for digital remote
>>> ops.
>>>
>>> 73, Olli - DH8BQA
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Am 10.05.2017 um 14:44 schrieb Palle Preben-Hansen, OZ1RH <
>>> palle at oz1rh.com>:
>>>> I have a running K3-Remote setup with Remoterig boxes, K3/0 Mini
>>>> and RRMINICBL & RRMTCBL cable sets. Everything but the USB audio to/from
>>>> the K3/0 Mini works. I have a USB cable from the K3/0 Mini to my pc at
>>> the
>>>> control site. A USB audio device is created on my Win 10 pc, but using
>>>> this USB audio device from WSJT-X version 1.7.0 the program gets no
>>>> audio. The K3 and K3/0 Mini has firmware 5.57.
>>>>
>>>> According to www.elecraft.com/K3-Remote/k3_remote.htm this should work:
>>> *The
>>>> K3/0-Mini comes with built-in USB support using the USB audio CODEC &
>>> FTDI
>>>> technology.*
>>>>
>>>> On the Remoterig Forum at www.remoterig.com/forum/index.php there are
>>> some
>>>> posts on this problem, but no solution. I have also in vain searched
>>>> www.mail-archive.com/elecraft at mailman.qth.net/maillist.html I hope the
>>>> Elecraft experts here can help.
>>>>
>>>> 73, Palle, OZ1RH
>>>> www.oz1rh.com
>>>>
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From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Sat May 13 08:53:13 2017
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sat, 13 May 2017 08:53:13 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 For Club Radio?
In-Reply-To: <CANyX0ApVJohCNhDDUXNRTXwm6jfGXPrfKYyDNHMO3jhe=bKYdg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANyX0ApVJohCNhDDUXNRTXwm6jfGXPrfKYyDNHMO3jhe=bKYdg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <64ec5967-022c-2b98-89a9-eb28bb27092b@embarqmail.com>

Tom,

A properly aligned and calibrated K2 is a fine contest radio.  The dual 
function pushbuttons sometimes give operators new to it a bit of 
difficulty until they get used to the TAP vs. HOLD action.

One difficulty a few operators have is that it will not tune very far 
outside the ham bands.  I have "repaired" several K2s where the operator 
attempted to use the VFO to move from one band to another - the display 
changes, but the VFO has stopped changing not far outside the ham band. 
It is an easy fix - just do a Direct Frequency Entry to get it back into 
the ham band.

You and your club should be aware of the various upgrades to the K2. 
Although many older ones have been fully upgraded, others have not been, 
so be sure to ask the owner about the upgrades and the firmware level.
At SN2560, the IF crystal set was changed to crystals specifying the 
motional inductance and produce better filters.  Filter alignment make 
all the difference between the performance of a mediocre K2 and one that 
provides top performance.
At SN3000, the boards were re-made to incorporate all earlier upgrades. 
And a K2 above SN 4600 have all possible upgrades installed.
Any earlier K2 can be upgraded to the latest level with only minor 
exceptions and performance will be equal to a new K2.

One situation with the KPA100 is that it is important that the antenna 
must be removed (or switched to a dummy load) when it is not in use. 
There is a sensitive wattmeter sitting right inside the antenna jack, 
and its diodes can be damaged by a surge coming in on the feedline.
The K2 uses the output on that wattmeter to control the power out. 
Damaged wattmeter diodes will cause uncontrolled maximum power which if 
not corrected, can damage the base K2 PA transistors.

I believe these are considerations that your club should consider when 
purchasing a used K2.

On my website www.w3fpr.com, there is a K2 Quick Reference Card that was 
created by a friend of mine while he was learning all about his new K2. 
You can download it and print it on a tri-fold paper for easy reference 
of those not familiar with the K2.  The K2 manual contains that 
information, but it is included in various sections of Alignment and 
Test at various stages of assembly and not combined at the end.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 5/12/2017 6:45 PM, Tom Hellem wrote:
> Our local radio club is considering the purchase of a K-2/100 to be
> used as a club radio. Its primary useage will be as a contest radio for
> events like Field Day, etc. I am looking for input from you list members
> who have experience with the K-2 as to its suitability for this purpose.
> I personally am not familiar with the radio and my concern would be
> mainly in the area of ease-of-use for those operators who are not especially
> experienced or knowledgeable  in using modern transceivers.

From hhoyt at mebtel.net  Sat May 13 08:56:56 2017
From: hhoyt at mebtel.net (Howard Hoyt)
Date: Sat, 13 May 2017 08:56:56 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] New Product Announcement
In-Reply-To: <236350B81BC09D42B8C3B41A97C654DD1D7261CC@AUSP01DAG0504.collaborationhost.net>
References: <4602AF9F-A71B-4369-B067-7D04D82D64A9@elecraft.com>
	<23dc1b41-6a6a-6ad3-e754-b0e252cc96fe@mebtel.net>
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Message-ID: <def270e4-3e7d-7ea4-179d-01f0e0e5b45f@mebtel.net>

Hi Chris,

The CS60 LowePro case I have seems well made, but having owned a Rose's 
bag for my KX3 for years, I can wholeheartedly recommend them!  One 
thing about the LowePro case, it is obvious studying the internal layout 
it was not designed for holding ham gear.  For instance, the lid of it 
begs to have stuff stored in the little pockets...but then they bang 
against the face of the KX2.  When you order a case from Rose, you get 
to customize it any way you want, and she has made so many cases her 
recommendations are spot on as well.  And, her workmanship is superb...I 
have dragged that poor KX3 and case over hill and dale for years now and 
it has not yet popped a stitch or torn anywhere..amazing quality.

Just my $0.02 worth...

Cheers & 73,

Howie - WA4PSC



On 5/13/2017 2:34 AM, Chris Tate - N6WM wrote:
> Howie,
>
> thanks as always for your prompt response, and yes much of what you say makes sense.
>
> For me, the KX2's small size is its true market value.  It's a rig that can be taken everywhere and anywhere, and is easily explained in most odd customs situations particularly in carry on scenarios.  Its portability is key.
>
> I imagine with the right case there is not an issue.... I of course purchased the smallest of cases and have managed to cram the radio, along with reasonable antennas for 20m up into the case along with the rig.
>
> Its really the antennas and not the radio that are the problem at this point.  Perhaps I will research better cases, and perhaps so discussions with Rose are in order as well (thanks for your email as well Rose).  Just trying to keep everything as compact as possible.
>
> Truly a wonderful group of supporters out here!!
>
> Chris
> N6WM
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Howard Hoyt [mailto:hhoyt at mebtel.net]
> Sent: Friday, May 12, 2017 2:57 PM
> To: Chris Tate - N6WM <ctate at ewnetinc.com>; Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>; KX3 at yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] New Product Announcement
>
> Hi Chris,
>
> I bought the LowePro CS60 bag from Elecraft, and with the Kx22 and GEMS handle and cover on it, the KX2 fits fine in the bag.  It is true that the handles and cover stick up 1/2" farther than the knobs, but as you point out, with the cover the knobs and display are protected, and the
> CS60 bag still zips shut without any fuss. It is just my personal preference, but given the LowePro bag is soft-sided and offers little impact protection, I strongly prefer to have the GEMS cover in place when traveling with the $800 KX2, it is inexpensive protection for sure!
>
> All this being said, if we get enough requests for a heatsink without the handles I am sure we can do it.
>
> Cheers & 73,
>
> Howie - WA4PSC
> www.proaudioeng.com
>
>
> On 5/12/2017 5:24 PM, Chris Tate - N6WM wrote:
>> Howie are you guys gonna make one without the protective handles?  Just wonderin.. its gonna be hard to stuff it into the stock bag,  heatsink may fit but definitely not the handles.  I am sure they are great for added knob protection just unfortunately at the expense of the travel footprint.  not a gripe.. just a friendly observation.
>>
>


From turnbull at net1.ie  Sat May 13 09:16:05 2017
From: turnbull at net1.ie (Doug Turnbull)
Date: Sat, 13 May 2017 13:16:05 -0000
Subject: [Elecraft] New Product Announcement
In-Reply-To: <def270e4-3e7d-7ea4-179d-01f0e0e5b45f@mebtel.net>
References: <4602AF9F-A71B-4369-B067-7D04D82D64A9@elecraft.com><23dc1b41-6a6a-6ad3-e754-b0e252cc96fe@mebtel.net><236350B81BC09D42B8C3B41A97C654DD1D722850@AUSP01DAG0504.collaborationhost.net><d87a21f2-a3f9-9a7e-0792-9ecf39708d48@mebtel.net><236350B81BC09D42B8C3B41A97C654DD1D7261CC@AUSP01DAG0504.collaborationhost.net>
	<def270e4-3e7d-7ea4-179d-01f0e0e5b45f@mebtel.net>
Message-ID: <617622D16DF54ACF9BBA31DACF53E366@DougTPC>

Hi Howie,
     The LowPro lid is padded and does a grand job of holding my
accessories.    Different strokes for different people but I like the case
for my K2 - the whole package is a delight.
                  73 Doug EI2CN

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Howard
Hoyt
Sent: 13 May 2017 12:57
To: Chris Tate - N6WM; Elecraft Reflector; KX3 at yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] New Product Announcement

Hi Chris,

The CS60 LowePro case I have seems well made, but having owned a Rose's 
bag for my KX3 for years, I can wholeheartedly recommend them!  One 
thing about the LowePro case, it is obvious studying the internal layout 
it was not designed for holding ham gear.  For instance, the lid of it 
begs to have stuff stored in the little pockets...but then they bang 
against the face of the KX2.  When you order a case from Rose, you get 
to customize it any way you want, and she has made so many cases her 
recommendations are spot on as well.  And, her workmanship is superb...I 
have dragged that poor KX3 and case over hill and dale for years now and 
it has not yet popped a stitch or torn anywhere..amazing quality.

Just my $0.02 worth...

Cheers & 73,

Howie - WA4PSC



On 5/13/2017 2:34 AM, Chris Tate - N6WM wrote:
> Howie,
>
> thanks as always for your prompt response, and yes much of what you say
makes sense.
>
> For me, the KX2's small size is its true market value.  It's a rig that
can be taken everywhere and anywhere, and is easily explained in most odd
customs situations particularly in carry on scenarios.  Its portability is
key.
>
> I imagine with the right case there is not an issue.... I of course
purchased the smallest of cases and have managed to cram the radio, along
with reasonable antennas for 20m up into the case along with the rig.
>
> Its really the antennas and not the radio that are the problem at this
point.  Perhaps I will research better cases, and perhaps so discussions
with Rose are in order as well (thanks for your email as well Rose).  Just
trying to keep everything as compact as possible.
>
> Truly a wonderful group of supporters out here!!
>
> Chris
> N6WM
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Howard Hoyt [mailto:hhoyt at mebtel.net]
> Sent: Friday, May 12, 2017 2:57 PM
> To: Chris Tate - N6WM <ctate at ewnetinc.com>; Elecraft Reflector
<elecraft at mailman.qth.net>; KX3 at yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] New Product Announcement
>
> Hi Chris,
>
> I bought the LowePro CS60 bag from Elecraft, and with the Kx22 and GEMS
handle and cover on it, the KX2 fits fine in the bag.  It is true that the
handles and cover stick up 1/2" farther than the knobs, but as you point
out, with the cover the knobs and display are protected, and the
> CS60 bag still zips shut without any fuss. It is just my personal
preference, but given the LowePro bag is soft-sided and offers little impact
protection, I strongly prefer to have the GEMS cover in place when traveling
with the $800 KX2, it is inexpensive protection for sure!
>
> All this being said, if we get enough requests for a heatsink without the
handles I am sure we can do it.
>
> Cheers & 73,
>
> Howie - WA4PSC
> www.proaudioeng.com
>
>
> On 5/12/2017 5:24 PM, Chris Tate - N6WM wrote:
>> Howie are you guys gonna make one without the protective handles?  Just
wonderin.. its gonna be hard to stuff it into the stock bag,  heatsink may
fit but definitely not the handles.  I am sure they are great for added knob
protection just unfortunately at the expense of the travel footprint.  not a
gripe.. just a friendly observation.
>>
>

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From wa2eio at optonline.net  Sat May 13 09:24:02 2017
From: wa2eio at optonline.net (Ron Manfredi)
Date: Sat, 13 May 2017 09:24:02 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] New Product Announcement
In-Reply-To: <def270e4-3e7d-7ea4-179d-01f0e0e5b45f@mebtel.net>
References: <4602AF9F-A71B-4369-B067-7D04D82D64A9@elecraft.com>
	<23dc1b41-6a6a-6ad3-e754-b0e252cc96fe@mebtel.net>
	<236350B81BC09D42B8C3B41A97C654DD1D722850@AUSP01DAG0504.collaborationhost.net>
	<d87a21f2-a3f9-9a7e-0792-9ecf39708d48@mebtel.net>
	<236350B81BC09D42B8C3B41A97C654DD1D7261CC@AUSP01DAG0504.collaborationhost.net>
	<def270e4-3e7d-7ea4-179d-01f0e0e5b45f@mebtel.net>
Message-ID: <fcee9f16-8e80-3948-95a4-1ba10e93134e@optonline.net>

I second Howie's comments on Rose's bag's quality and capability.  The 
LowePro is really a camera bag, and in fine Ham tradition we have 
adapted it, but Rose's was designed specifically for radio work.


Ron.  WA2EIO


On 5/13/2017 8:56 AM, Howard Hoyt wrote:
> Hi Chris,
>
> The CS60 LowePro case I have seems well made, but having owned a 
> Rose's bag for my KX3 for years, I can wholeheartedly recommend them!  
> One thing about the LowePro case, it is obvious studying the internal 
> layout it was not designed for holding ham gear.  For instance, the 
> lid of it begs to have stuff stored in the little pockets...but then 
> they bang against the face of the KX2.  When you order a case from 
> Rose, you get to customize it any way you want, and she has made so 
> many cases her recommendations are spot on as well.  And, her 
> workmanship is superb...I have dragged that poor KX3 and case over 
> hill and dale for years now and it has not yet popped a stitch or torn 
> anywhere..amazing quality.
>
> Just my $0.02 worth...
>
> Cheers & 73,
>
> Howie - WA4PSC
>
>
>
> On 5/13/2017 2:34 AM, Chris Tate - N6WM wrote:
>> Howie,
>>
>> thanks as always for your prompt response, and yes much of what you 
>> say makes sense.
>>
>> For me, the KX2's small size is its true market value.  It's a rig 
>> that can be taken everywhere and anywhere, and is easily explained in 
>> most odd customs situations particularly in carry on scenarios.  Its 
>> portability is key.
>>
>> I imagine with the right case there is not an issue.... I of course 
>> purchased the smallest of cases and have managed to cram the radio, 
>> along with reasonable antennas for 20m up into the case along with 
>> the rig.
>>
>> Its really the antennas and not the radio that are the problem at 
>> this point.  Perhaps I will research better cases, and perhaps so 
>> discussions with Rose are in order as well (thanks for your email as 
>> well Rose).  Just trying to keep everything as compact as possible.
>>
>> Truly a wonderful group of supporters out here!!
>>
>> Chris
>> N6WM
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Howard Hoyt [mailto:hhoyt at mebtel.net]
>> Sent: Friday, May 12, 2017 2:57 PM
>> To: Chris Tate - N6WM <ctate at ewnetinc.com>; Elecraft Reflector 
>> <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>; KX3 at yahoogroups.com
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] New Product Announcement
>>
>> Hi Chris,
>>
>> I bought the LowePro CS60 bag from Elecraft, and with the Kx22 and 
>> GEMS handle and cover on it, the KX2 fits fine in the bag. It is true 
>> that the handles and cover stick up 1/2" farther than the knobs, but 
>> as you point out, with the cover the knobs and display are protected, 
>> and the
>> CS60 bag still zips shut without any fuss. It is just my personal 
>> preference, but given the LowePro bag is soft-sided and offers little 
>> impact protection, I strongly prefer to have the GEMS cover in place 
>> when traveling with the $800 KX2, it is inexpensive protection for sure!
>>
>> All this being said, if we get enough requests for a heatsink without 
>> the handles I am sure we can do it.
>>
>> Cheers & 73,
>>
>> Howie - WA4PSC
>> www.proaudioeng.com
>>
>>
>> On 5/12/2017 5:24 PM, Chris Tate - N6WM wrote:
>>> Howie are you guys gonna make one without the protective handles?  
>>> Just wonderin.. its gonna be hard to stuff it into the stock bag,  
>>> heatsink may fit but definitely not the handles.  I am sure they are 
>>> great for added knob protection just unfortunately at the expense of 
>>> the travel footprint.  not a gripe.. just a friendly observation.
>>>
>>
>
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From bill at wjschmidt.com  Sat May 13 10:59:06 2017
From: bill at wjschmidt.com (Dr. William J. Schmidt, II)
Date: Sat, 13 May 2017 09:59:06 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] [KPA1500] Input Power
In-Reply-To: <cbcb6efc-675f-d2f0-26a7-d5a2379455cf@david-woolley.me.uk>
References: <304ba697-090d-0122-e780-9a1f45d71bc6@qrp4fun.de>	<54e837b0-5d6a-d342-e157-47dc28fd911d@ac0h.net>	<25413d7d-1fcf-8999-2eaa-1ed60d8b89fc@qrp4fun.de>	<1563744984.7571160.1494537625564@mail.yahoo.com>	<8825f736-eecd-a568-f456-f465241de9de@qrp4fun.de>	<E4F65834-5FB7-48DB-98B4-D8CD7C96B31B@wjschmidt.com>
	<cbcb6efc-675f-d2f0-26a7-d5a2379455cf@david-woolley.me.uk>
Message-ID: <002601d2cbf9$81311b20$83935160$@wjschmidt.com>

So are you saying that the KPA500 is a bad design?

I'm not aware of a single non-CB amplifier that doesn't use an input pad...


Dr. William J. Schmidt - K9HZ J68HZ 8P6HK ZF2HZ PJ4/K9HZ VP5/K9HZ PJ2/K9HZ 

Owner - Operator
Big Signal Ranch - K9ZC
Staunton, Illinois

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Soufriere, St. Lucia W.I.
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-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of David
Woolley
Sent: Friday, May 12, 2017 8:17 AM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [KPA1500] Input Power

Using a pad would be bad design, as simply increasing the level of 
negative feedback would help reduce distortion.  The only way one could 
achieve a repeatable gain close to 15dB would be with negative feedback.

Moreover, I assume it is an FCC condition that modification by the end 
not be easy.  You can assume that CB users wanting to use illegal powers 
have access to soldering irons.

Also, I would assume that the design gain is actually less than 15dB, to 
allow for component tolerances.

-- 
David Woolley K2 06123

On 12/05/17 02:43, Dr. William J. Schmidt wrote:
> All of those popular devices have gain more than 15 dB... so there is a
pad in the amp to keep the gain at 15 dB. One would think that a "tweak"
will evolve to modify the pad (and possibly the firmware) to eliminate this
bothersome limit.

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From n7tb at comcast.net  Sat May 13 12:07:59 2017
From: n7tb at comcast.net (Terry Brown)
Date: Sat, 13 May 2017 16:07:59 -0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Strange SWR change on 20 at
Message-ID: <001e01d2cc03$181f2c30$485d8490$@comcast.net>

I recently started using my horizontal loop that is about a full wavelength
on 80, for 20 meters.  I took down my yagi as we are moving; drat!  My
Horizontal Loop is at 40 ft.  height and fed with 450 window line into a 4:1
voltage balun with about 15 ft. of coax to rig.  

 

I am running 100 watts through my KXPA100.  I tune a frequency in the CW
portion of 20 to about 1.2 :1 and start sending CQ.  After about 3 to 4  3x3
CQ's,, the SWR goes off the charts and power drops to zero.   I can retune
the antenna and the process repeats itself.  20 meters is the only band
affected.

 

I am wondering if I am having RF problems in that part of the 20 meter bands
This only occurs on 20 meters.  The Amp is grounded, but the KX3 is not
bonded to the Amp.

 

I would appreciate any advice.

 

Thanks and 73's,

 

Terry de N7TB


From dave.w8ov at gmail.com  Sat May 13 12:20:04 2017
From: dave.w8ov at gmail.com (David Koch)
Date: Sat, 13 May 2017 11:20:04 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] For Sale: KX3 Base Station- Pending Sale
Message-ID: <c6a51450-1167-533e-8235-0769f994b37b@gmail.com>

This station has been sold, pending funding.

I am listing this for a friend I've known over 60 years. --Dave W8OV

Elecraft KX3 SN 0000 for Sale
Lightly used, and in a smoke-free environment.

KX3-F           160 - 6M Transceiver, Factory Assembled, Purchased Apr 
2014, S/N 06019
KXBC3-F         Internal NiMH Charger with Real Time Clock, Factory 
Assembled
KXAT3-F         Internal 20 watt Antenna Tuner, Factory Assembled
KXFL3           Dual-Passband Roofing Filter
E850524         Power Cord
KX3-PCKT        KX3 Accessory Cable Set
KXPA100-AT-F    100 Watt Power Amp with internal Antenna Tuner Unit, 
Factory Assembled, S/N 01118
KXPACBL         KX3 to KXPA100 Integrated IO Cable
KX3 Owner?s Manual
KXPA100 Amplifier Owner?s Manual
Fred Cady ?The Elecraft KX3 ? Portable? Operation Book

Sale Price $1950 (Original Purchase Price $2545; current new price about 
$2800)
Buyer Pays Shipping and Insurance (CONUS only)

Contact Dick K8BWE:  727-264-6105 or dbmbtab at gmail.com


From k9yeq at live.com  Sat May 13 12:38:45 2017
From: k9yeq at live.com (Bill Johnson)
Date: Sat, 13 May 2017 16:38:45 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] K144RFLK new in bag for sale
Message-ID: <RO1P152MB090773107D6B246369D44B379CE30@RO1P152MB0907.LAMP152.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

I have an excess to my needs a K144XV REFLOCK for sale.  I bought it and never installed.  Make me a good offer and it is yours.

73,
Bill
K9YEQ

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of David Koch
Sent: Saturday, May 13, 2017 11:20 AM
To: Elecraft List <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: [Elecraft] For Sale: KX3 Base Station- Pending Sale

This station has been sold, pending funding.

I am listing this for a friend I've known over 60 years. --Dave W8OV

Elecraft KX3 SN 0000 for Sale
Lightly used, and in a smoke-free environment.

KX3-F           160 - 6M Transceiver, Factory Assembled, Purchased Apr 
2014, S/N 06019
KXBC3-F         Internal NiMH Charger with Real Time Clock, Factory 
Assembled
KXAT3-F         Internal 20 watt Antenna Tuner, Factory Assembled
KXFL3           Dual-Passband Roofing Filter
E850524         Power Cord
KX3-PCKT        KX3 Accessory Cable Set
KXPA100-AT-F    100 Watt Power Amp with internal Antenna Tuner Unit, 
Factory Assembled, S/N 01118
KXPACBL         KX3 to KXPA100 Integrated IO Cable
KX3 Owner?s Manual
KXPA100 Amplifier Owner?s Manual
Fred Cady ?The Elecraft KX3 ? Portable? Operation Book

Sale Price $1950 (Original Purchase Price $2545; current new price about
$2800)
Buyer Pays Shipping and Insurance (CONUS only)

Contact Dick K8BWE:  727-264-6105 or dbmbtab at gmail.com

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From k9yeq at live.com  Sat May 13 12:40:27 2017
From: k9yeq at live.com (Bill Johnson)
Date: Sat, 13 May 2017 16:40:27 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] K144RFLK new in bag for sale
In-Reply-To: <RO1P152MB090773107D6B246369D44B379CE30@RO1P152MB0907.LAMP152.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
References: <RO1P152MB090773107D6B246369D44B379CE30@RO1P152MB0907.LAMP152.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
Message-ID: <RO1P152MB0907B6EBE4D85E0D0BE27B589CE30@RO1P152MB0907.LAMP152.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

Please forgive the previous message I used to post this to the list.  I am bad!

73,
Bill
K9YEQ

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Bill Johnson
Sent: Saturday, May 13, 2017 11:39 AM
To: Elecraft List <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: [Elecraft] K144RFLK new in bag for sale

I have an excess to my needs a K144XV REFLOCK for sale.  I bought it and never installed.  Make me a good offer and it is yours.

73,
Bill
K9YEQ


From kb3drw at msn.com  Sat May 13 13:02:27 2017
From: kb3drw at msn.com (Donnie Hill)
Date: Sat, 13 May 2017 17:02:27 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] KX1  adding 3080 and firmware board question
In-Reply-To: <mailman.38097.1494692431.7384.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
References: <mailman.38097.1494692431.7384.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID: <BN6PR10MB1684E2C27C50A5E028A9C9759EE30@BN6PR10MB1684.namprd10.prod.outlook.com>

I am about to add a 30 80 board to my KX1 which currently only has 20 and 40 meters.   The serial number of my unit is 25xx.  It seems from reading the Elecraft site I will not have to change the firmware chip with a serial number as late as mine.  Is that correct?

Thanks all, 73,
Don KB3DRW


From dave at nk7z.net  Sat May 13 13:05:02 2017
From: dave at nk7z.net (Dave Cole)
Date: Sat, 13 May 2017 10:05:02 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft's source code
In-Reply-To: <201705130726.v4D7QjV7002579@mail41c28.carrierzone.com>
References: <201705130726.v4D7QjV7002579@mail41c28.carrierzone.com>
Message-ID: <0a4a9973-002e-54a0-7f1e-36dada0aff80@nk7z.net>

I would LOVE an I/Q port on my K3!

73s and thanks,
Dave
NK7Z
http://www.nk7z.net

On 05/13/2017 12:26 AM, Edward R Cole wrote:
> Been reading the mail on this topic.
>
> My take is that the K3 and K3S do not provide external access to the IQ
> digital stream so one cannot run any other software on a computer
> interconnected to the radios.  Firmware is held under Elecraft control
> and not open source, and one would have to download using the Elecraft
> Utility.
>
> Had the K3 provided IQ access my dual-pol adaptive receiver design would
> have been simpler/easier.
>
> But listening to their customer base, Elecraft provided external
> interface of KX3 IQ baseband audio so one could try any number of SDR
> programs in one's computer (interconnected thru the soundcard to the
> radio).  KX2 may also provide this (I am not enough familiar with
> details for this radio).
>
> I have not made the IQ interface for my KX3 (as yet), but will do so
> someday.
>
> But as others have pointed out, several SDR are now out in the market
> which one can "play with" open source sw.
>
> 73, Ed - KL7UW
>   http://www.kl7uw.com
> Dubus-NA Business mail:
>   dubususa at gmail.com
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From dave at nk7z.net  Sat May 13 13:07:08 2017
From: dave at nk7z.net (Dave Cole)
Date: Sat, 13 May 2017 10:07:08 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Strange SWR change on 20 at
In-Reply-To: <001e01d2cc03$181f2c30$485d8490$@comcast.net>
References: <001e01d2cc03$181f2c30$485d8490$@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <9ff90105-03b7-0d5e-2a7e-389ca64aa75b@nk7z.net>

Hmmm...  I am having the exact same issue...  My SWR changes after a few 
transmissions, then returns...  Up until now, I have been suspecting my 
antenna...  Time to add an external SWR bridge between the tuner and 
antenna as a permanent thing...

73s and thanks,
Dave
NK7Z
http://www.nk7z.net

On 05/13/2017 09:07 AM, Terry Brown wrote:
> I recently started using my horizontal loop that is about a full wavelength
> on 80, for 20 meters.  I took down my yagi as we are moving; drat!  My
> Horizontal Loop is at 40 ft.  height and fed with 450 window line into a 4:1
> voltage balun with about 15 ft. of coax to rig.
>
>
>
> I am running 100 watts through my KXPA100.  I tune a frequency in the CW
> portion of 20 to about 1.2 :1 and start sending CQ.  After about 3 to 4  3x3
> CQ's,, the SWR goes off the charts and power drops to zero.   I can retune
> the antenna and the process repeats itself.  20 meters is the only band
> affected.
>
>
>
> I am wondering if I am having RF problems in that part of the 20 meter bands
> This only occurs on 20 meters.  The Amp is grounded, but the KX3 is not
> bonded to the Amp.
>
>
>
> I would appreciate any advice.
>
>
>
> Thanks and 73's,
>
>
>
> Terry de N7TB
>
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From nr4c at widomaker.com  Sat May 13 13:18:56 2017
From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c)
Date: Sat, 13 May 2017 13:18:56 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Strange SWR change on 20 at
In-Reply-To: <001e01d2cc03$181f2c30$485d8490$@comcast.net>
References: <001e01d2cc03$181f2c30$485d8490$@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <8805ED37-30EA-4FD6-9C1E-7E98772AEB06@widomaker.com>

What's the antenna impedance before the ATU is activated?  You may be heating up the BALUN due to big mis-match. 

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill


> On May 13, 2017, at 12:07 PM, Terry Brown <n7tb at comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> I recently started using my horizontal loop that is about a full wavelength
> on 80, for 20 meters.  I took down my yagi as we are moving; drat!  My
> Horizontal Loop is at 40 ft.  height and fed with 450 window line into a 4:1
> voltage balun with about 15 ft. of coax to rig.  
> 
> 
> 
> I am running 100 watts through my KXPA100.  I tune a frequency in the CW
> portion of 20 to about 1.2 :1 and start sending CQ.  After about 3 to 4  3x3
> CQ's,, the SWR goes off the charts and power drops to zero.   I can retune
> the antenna and the process repeats itself.  20 meters is the only band
> affected.
> 
> 
> 
> I am wondering if I am having RF problems in that part of the 20 meter bands
> This only occurs on 20 meters.  The Amp is grounded, but the KX3 is not
> bonded to the Amp.
> 
> 
> 
> I would appreciate any advice.
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks and 73's,
> 
> 
> 
> Terry de N7TB
> 
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From ron at cobi.biz  Sat May 13 13:29:47 2017
From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire)
Date: Sat, 13 May 2017 10:29:47 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Strange SWR change on 20 at
In-Reply-To: <8805ED37-30EA-4FD6-9C1E-7E98772AEB06@widomaker.com>
References: <001e01d2cc03$181f2c30$485d8490$@comcast.net>
	<8805ED37-30EA-4FD6-9C1E-7E98772AEB06@widomaker.com>
Message-ID: <000001d2cc0e$8540a360$8fc1ea20$@biz>

It sounds to me like Bill has the answer. As the torodial core heats up it
eventually reaches its Curie temperature at which its magnetic properties
(and so inductance of the coil wound on it) changes dramatically. If the
torodial core doesn't get so hot it cracks, it will return to "normal" when
it cools. 

Personally, I like air wound coils wherever there may be a wide range of
impedances. Air wound coils are bigger, but air does not saturate and
dissipate RF as heat. All one needs to worry about with air wound coils is
big enough wire to avoid excessive resistive losses at high RF currents and
sufficient spacing to avoid arcing or corona discharges when the RF voltage
is high, but torodial inductors have the same issues was well.  

73, Ron AC7AC

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Nr4c
Sent: Saturday, May 13, 2017 10:19 AM
To: Terry Brown
Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Strange SWR change on 20 at

What's the antenna impedance before the ATU is activated?  You may be
heating up the BALUN due to big mis-match. 

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill


> On May 13, 2017, at 12:07 PM, Terry Brown <n7tb at comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> I recently started using my horizontal loop that is about a full 
> wavelength on 80, for 20 meters.  I took down my yagi as we are 
> moving; drat!  My Horizontal Loop is at 40 ft.  height and fed with 
> 450 window line into a 4:1 voltage balun with about 15 ft. of coax to rig.
> 
> 
> 
> I am running 100 watts through my KXPA100.  I tune a frequency in the 
> CW portion of 20 to about 1.2 :1 and start sending CQ.  After about 3 to 4
3x3
> CQ's,, the SWR goes off the charts and power drops to zero.   I can retune
> the antenna and the process repeats itself.  20 meters is the only 
> band affected.
> 
> 
> 
> I am wondering if I am having RF problems in that part of the 20 meter 
> bands This only occurs on 20 meters.  The Amp is grounded, but the KX3 
> is not bonded to the Amp.
> 
> 
> 
> I would appreciate any advice.
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks and 73's,
> 
> 
> 
> Terry de N7TB
> 
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From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Sat May 13 13:30:09 2017
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sat, 13 May 2017 13:30:09 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KX1 adding 3080 and firmware board question
In-Reply-To: <BN6PR10MB1684E2C27C50A5E028A9C9759EE30@BN6PR10MB1684.namprd10.prod.outlook.com>
References: <mailman.38097.1494692431.7384.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
	<BN6PR10MB1684E2C27C50A5E028A9C9759EE30@BN6PR10MB1684.namprd10.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <43af4f36-27e7-2fe4-c132-533fee0f6475@embarqmail.com>

Don,

It is likely that your firmware is current.

You need firmware 1.02 for the KXB3080 option.  You can easily check 
what is installed in your KX1 - hold any button while powering on and 
the firmware level will be briefly displayed.  There are only 2 versions 
for the KX1 - 1.01 and 1.02.

If you have 1.01, then request the firmware from Elecraft - since you 
are adding an option which requires it, the firmware IC should be 
provided at no cost.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 5/13/2017 1:02 PM, Donnie Hill wrote:
> I am about to add a 30 80 board to my KX1 which currently only has 20 and 40 meters.   The serial number of my unit is 25xx.  It seems from reading the Elecraft site I will not have to change the firmware chip with a serial number as late as mine.  Is that correct?

From forums at david-woolley.me.uk  Sat May 13 13:31:51 2017
From: forums at david-woolley.me.uk (David Woolley)
Date: Sat, 13 May 2017 18:31:51 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] [KPA1500] Input Power
In-Reply-To: <002601d2cbf9$81311b20$83935160$@wjschmidt.com>
References: <304ba697-090d-0122-e780-9a1f45d71bc6@qrp4fun.de>
	<54e837b0-5d6a-d342-e157-47dc28fd911d@ac0h.net>
	<25413d7d-1fcf-8999-2eaa-1ed60d8b89fc@qrp4fun.de>
	<1563744984.7571160.1494537625564@mail.yahoo.com>
	<8825f736-eecd-a568-f456-f465241de9de@qrp4fun.de>
	<E4F65834-5FB7-48DB-98B4-D8CD7C96B31B@wjschmidt.com>
	<cbcb6efc-675f-d2f0-26a7-d5a2379455cf@david-woolley.me.uk>
	<002601d2cbf9$81311b20$83935160$@wjschmidt.com>
Message-ID: <6a299390-b097-a7ef-bf62-6c4f29fc6d0e@david-woolley.me.uk>

I'm suggesting that using a pad to control gain is bad design.  A pad is 
going to necessary to provide the correct 50 ohm termination for the driver.

I would suggest that the main gain control component on the KPA500 was 
T2, although a more detailed analysis may show that some or all of the 
passive components between its secondary and the FET gates are involved, 
as well.

In any case, I don't think Elecraft are going to comment on how the 
achieve FCC compliance, on the 1500, in too much detail, in case it 
could be interpreted as instructions for subverting that mechanism.  At 
least not until they have approval.  I notice total silence from the 
insiders on this, and the previous similar thread.

-- 
David Woolley K2 06123

On 13/05/17 15:59, Dr. William J. Schmidt, II wrote:
> So are you saying that the KPA500 is a bad design?
>
> I'm not aware of a single non-CB amplifier that doesn't use an input pad...
>


From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Sat May 13 13:35:49 2017
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sat, 13 May 2017 13:35:49 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Strange SWR change on 20 at
In-Reply-To: <001e01d2cc03$181f2c30$485d8490$@comcast.net>
References: <001e01d2cc03$181f2c30$485d8490$@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <1c340d54-8ecb-7fe8-72cc-230814b3caa7@embarqmail.com>

Terry,

I would be suspicious of the voltage balun, or connections in the 
feedline/antenna that are breaking down with increased power.  Change 
the voltage balun to a good common mode choke.  A 1:1 choke may work as 
well or better than a 4:1.
You might also have a lot of common mode current on the 450 ohm 
feedline.  A common mode choke on each side of the feedline (at the 
antenna) will help if that is the case.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 5/13/2017 12:07 PM, Terry Brown wrote:
> I recently started using my horizontal loop that is about a full wavelength
> on 80, for 20 meters.  I took down my yagi as we are moving; drat!  My
> Horizontal Loop is at 40 ft.  height and fed with 450 window line into a 4:1
> voltage balun with about 15 ft. of coax to rig.
> 
>   
> 
> I am running 100 watts through my KXPA100.  I tune a frequency in the CW
> portion of 20 to about 1.2 :1 and start sending CQ.  After about 3 to 4  3x3
> CQ's,, the SWR goes off the charts and power drops to zero.   I can retune
> the antenna and the process repeats itself.  20 meters is the only band
> affected.
> 
>   
> 
> I am wondering if I am having RF problems in that part of the 20 meter bands
> This only occurs on 20 meters.  The Amp is grounded, but the KX3 is not
> bonded to the Amp.

From dave at nk7z.net  Sat May 13 13:39:10 2017
From: dave at nk7z.net (Dave Cole)
Date: Sat, 13 May 2017 10:39:10 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Strange SWR change on 20 at
In-Reply-To: <9ff90105-03b7-0d5e-2a7e-389ca64aa75b@nk7z.net>
References: <001e01d2cc03$181f2c30$485d8490$@comcast.net>
	<9ff90105-03b7-0d5e-2a7e-389ca64aa75b@nk7z.net>
Message-ID: <2a1e5f34-b9a5-9a8a-9215-e79989c69f1c@nk7z.net>

I added the SWR meter...  My actual SWR jumps instantly up about1 SWR 
unit...  I believe it is a bad connection on the Challenger where the 
main antenna connects to the 20 meter tuning stub...

Just sort of surprised me to see a second person with the exact same 
issue is all...  SWR change is instant, so it is not heating...  Happens 
at 30 watts, or 1 KW...  Time for a rebuild.

73s and thanks,
Dave
NK7Z
http://www.nk7z.net

On 05/13/2017 10:07 AM, Dave Cole wrote:
> Hmmm...  I am having the exact same issue...  My SWR changes after a few
> transmissions, then returns...  Up until now, I have been suspecting my
> antenna...  Time to add an external SWR bridge between the tuner and
> antenna as a permanent thing...
>
> 73s and thanks,
> Dave
> NK7Z
> http://www.nk7z.net
>
> On 05/13/2017 09:07 AM, Terry Brown wrote:
>> I recently started using my horizontal loop that is about a full
>> wavelength
>> on 80, for 20 meters.  I took down my yagi as we are moving; drat!  My
>> Horizontal Loop is at 40 ft.  height and fed with 450 window line into
>> a 4:1
>> voltage balun with about 15 ft. of coax to rig.
>>
>>
>>
>> I am running 100 watts through my KXPA100.  I tune a frequency in the CW
>> portion of 20 to about 1.2 :1 and start sending CQ.  After about 3 to
>> 4  3x3
>> CQ's,, the SWR goes off the charts and power drops to zero.   I can
>> retune
>> the antenna and the process repeats itself.  20 meters is the only band
>> affected.
>>
>>
>>
>> I am wondering if I am having RF problems in that part of the 20 meter
>> bands
>> This only occurs on 20 meters.  The Amp is grounded, but the KX3 is not
>> bonded to the Amp.
>>
>>
>>
>> I would appreciate any advice.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks and 73's,
>>
>>
>>
>> Terry de N7TB
>>
>> ______________________________________________________________
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>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
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From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Sat May 13 13:48:23 2017
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sat, 13 May 2017 13:48:23 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft's source code
In-Reply-To: <0a4a9973-002e-54a0-7f1e-36dada0aff80@nk7z.net>
References: <201705130726.v4D7QjV7002579@mail41c28.carrierzone.com>
	<0a4a9973-002e-54a0-7f1e-36dada0aff80@nk7z.net>
Message-ID: <9797eae5-234a-b248-05cb-69e9b4ae913c@embarqmail.com>

Dave,

Do you have the IF output on that K3?  If so, add an LP-Pan and you will 
have I/Q output from the LP-Pan.

The K3 DSP working at 15kHz is not conducive to providing audio I/Q 
output.  With the KX3, it is easy because the DSP works at baseband.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 5/13/2017 1:05 PM, Dave Cole wrote:
> I would LOVE an I/Q port on my K3!

From dave at nk7z.net  Sat May 13 14:44:42 2017
From: dave at nk7z.net (Dave Cole)
Date: Sat, 13 May 2017 11:44:42 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft's source code
In-Reply-To: <9797eae5-234a-b248-05cb-69e9b4ae913c@embarqmail.com>
References: <201705130726.v4D7QjV7002579@mail41c28.carrierzone.com>
	<0a4a9973-002e-54a0-7f1e-36dada0aff80@nk7z.net>
	<9797eae5-234a-b248-05cb-69e9b4ae913c@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <4d6e7978-2967-bb4f-caa7-e86d50718249@nk7z.net>

That is a clever idea...  THANK YOU!

73s and thanks,
Dave
NK7Z
http://www.nk7z.net

On 05/13/2017 10:48 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
> Dave,
>
> Do you have the IF output on that K3?  If so, add an LP-Pan and you will
> have I/Q output from the LP-Pan.
>
> The K3 DSP working at 15kHz is not conducive to providing audio I/Q
> output.  With the KX3, it is easy because the DSP works at baseband.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 5/13/2017 1:05 PM, Dave Cole wrote:
>> I would LOVE an I/Q port on my K3!

From KB3DRW at msn.com  Sat May 13 14:58:11 2017
From: KB3DRW at msn.com (Donnie Hill)
Date: Sat, 13 May 2017 18:58:11 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] KX1 adding 3080 and firmware board question
In-Reply-To: <43af4f36-27e7-2fe4-c132-533fee0f6475@embarqmail.com>
References: <mailman.38097.1494692431.7384.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
	<BN6PR10MB1684E2C27C50A5E028A9C9759EE30@BN6PR10MB1684.namprd10.prod.outlook.com>,
	<43af4f36-27e7-2fe4-c132-533fee0f6475@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <BN6PR10MB168464CAF02274E2FC5E10419EE30@BN6PR10MB1684.namprd10.prod.outlook.com>

Thanks Don for the info?   I was looking for a way to do that.  I have 1.02 so I am good.  I can now install the board and not worry about the firmware.
73,
Don KB3DRW

> On May 13, 2017, at 1:30 PM, Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Don,
> 
> It is likely that your firmware is current.
> 
> You need firmware 1.02 for the KXB3080 option.  You can easily check what is installed in your KX1 - hold any button while powering on and the firmware level will be briefly displayed.  There are only 2 versions for the KX1 - 1.01 and 1.02.
> 
> If you have 1.01, then request the firmware from Elecraft - since you are adding an option which requires it, the firmware IC should be provided at no cost.
> 
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
> 
>> On 5/13/2017 1:02 PM, Donnie Hill wrote:
>> I am about to add a 30 80 board to my KX1 which currently only has 20 and 40 meters.   The serial number of my unit is 25xx.  It seems from reading the Elecraft site I will not have to change the firmware chip with a serial number as late as mine.  Is that correct?

From hlyingst at yahoo.com  Sat May 13 15:49:49 2017
From: hlyingst at yahoo.com (Harry Yingst)
Date: Sat, 13 May 2017 19:49:49 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 I/Q - was Elecraft's source code
In-Reply-To: <0a4a9973-002e-54a0-7f1e-36dada0aff80@nk7z.net>
References: <201705130726.v4D7QjV7002579@mail41c28.carrierzone.com>
	<0a4a9973-002e-54a0-7f1e-36dada0aff80@nk7z.net>
Message-ID: <405562718.559020.1494704989957@mail.yahoo.com>


I built up a little SoftRock SDR receiver for the IF Output of my K3 from Five-Dash.I put it in a little die cast mini-box with a buffer amp and some isolation transformers.
As I recall the kit was about $21 and a buck or so for the extra crystal for the K3's IF.

I have another one here waiting to be built up for my K2... It's still waiting because?my FiFi-SDR?works quite well doing the same thing and has the sound card built in.





      From: Dave Cole <dave at nk7z.net>
 To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net 
 Sent: Saturday, May 13, 2017 2:28 PM
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft's source code
   
I would LOVE an I/Q port on my K3!

73s and thanks,
Dave
NK7Z
http://www.nk7z.net


   

From cautery at montac.com  Sat May 13 17:22:19 2017
From: cautery at montac.com (Clay Autery)
Date: Sat, 13 May 2017 16:22:19 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Strange SWR change on 20 at
In-Reply-To: <001e01d2cc03$181f2c30$485d8490$@comcast.net>
References: <001e01d2cc03$181f2c30$485d8490$@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <a79f17b3-d82d-c99b-b8e6-833b9179d7ba@montac.com>

I have ALMOST the same setup....  horiz loop at approx. 40 ft cut for
80m, fed with 45 feet or so of 300 Ohm (18 GA) foam core, twin-lead to a
Balun Designs 6:1, to TMW 240-DB coax (18-20 feet) to the K3s.

Never experienced anything like what you are.... sounds like something
is heating up...  balun maybe?...  almost like something heating up and
opening...

______________________
Clay Autery, KY5G

On 5/13/2017 11:07 AM, Terry Brown wrote:
> I recently started using my horizontal loop that is about a full wavelength
> on 80, for 20 meters.  I took down my yagi as we are moving; drat!  My
> Horizontal Loop is at 40 ft.  height and fed with 450 window line into a 4:1
> voltage balun with about 15 ft. of coax to rig.  
>
>  
>
> I am running 100 watts through my KXPA100.  I tune a frequency in the CW
> portion of 20 to about 1.2 :1 and start sending CQ.  After about 3 to 4  3x3
> CQ's,, the SWR goes off the charts and power drops to zero.   I can retune
> the antenna and the process repeats itself.  20 meters is the only band
> affected.
>
>  
>
> I am wondering if I am having RF problems in that part of the 20 meter bands
> This only occurs on 20 meters.  The Amp is grounded, but the KX3 is not
> bonded to the Amp.
>
>  
>
> I would appreciate any advice.
>
>  
>
> Thanks and 73's,
>
>  
>
> Terry de N7TB

From ron at cobi.biz  Sat May 13 17:57:18 2017
From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire)
Date: Sat, 13 May 2017 14:57:18 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Strange SWR change on 20 at
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Hi Dave: I thought you said it happened after you sent CQ+Call a few times.
When a core heats to its Curie temp, the inductance change happens
"instantly". You are right - if it happens instantly when you hit the key it
is not heating. Something is breaking down. 

73, Ron AC7AC

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Dave
Cole
Sent: Saturday, May 13, 2017 10:39 AM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Strange SWR change on 20 at

I added the SWR meter...  My actual SWR jumps instantly up about1 SWR
unit...  I believe it is a bad connection on the Challenger where the main
antenna connects to the 20 meter tuning stub...

Just sort of surprised me to see a second person with the exact same issue
is all...  SWR change is instant, so it is not heating...  Happens at 30
watts, or 1 KW...  Time for a rebuild.

73s and thanks,
Dave
NK7Z
http://www.nk7z.net

On 05/13/2017 10:07 AM, Dave Cole wrote:
> Hmmm...  I am having the exact same issue...  My SWR changes after a 
> few transmissions, then returns...  Up until now, I have been 
> suspecting my antenna...  Time to add an external SWR bridge between 
> the tuner and antenna as a permanent thing...
>
> 73s and thanks,
> Dave
> NK7Z
> http://www.nk7z.net
>
> On 05/13/2017 09:07 AM, Terry Brown wrote:
>> I recently started using my horizontal loop that is about a full 
>> wavelength on 80, for 20 meters.  I took down my yagi as we are 
>> moving; drat!  My Horizontal Loop is at 40 ft.  height and fed with 
>> 450 window line into a 4:1 voltage balun with about 15 ft. of coax to 
>> rig.
>>
>>
>>
>> I am running 100 watts through my KXPA100.  I tune a frequency in the 
>> CW portion of 20 to about 1.2 :1 and start sending CQ.  After about 3 
>> to
>> 4  3x3
>> CQ's,, the SWR goes off the charts and power drops to zero.   I can
>> retune
>> the antenna and the process repeats itself.  20 meters is the only 
>> band affected.
>>
>>
>>
>> I am wondering if I am having RF problems in that part of the 20 
>> meter bands This only occurs on 20 meters.  The Amp is grounded, but 
>> the KX3 is not bonded to the Amp.
>>
>>
>>
>> I would appreciate any advice.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks and 73's,
>>
>>
>>
>> Terry de N7TB
>>
>> ______________________________________________________________
>> Elecraft mailing list
>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
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>>
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From ve3wdm at hotmail.com  Sat May 13 19:04:24 2017
From: ve3wdm at hotmail.com (Mike Weir)
Date: Sat, 13 May 2017 23:04:24 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 vfo for sale
Message-ID: <YQBPR01MB04519D50053B05EA3E62387B91E30@YQBPR01MB0451.CANPRD01.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

Good evening all, I just did the VFO mod on my KX3 with the new ball bearing VFO. I now have the original VFO and if anyone would like it I am selling it for 25.00 U.S shipping included.

Mike Weir

VE3WDM

From groups at planet3.freeuk.co.uk  Sat May 13 19:13:09 2017
From: groups at planet3.freeuk.co.uk (Brian D)
Date: Sun, 14 May 2017 00:13:09 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] Strange SWR change on 20 at
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I have had similar problems with swr trips on my KPA500, only after several
transmissions on some bands. By a process of elimination it was traced to a
toroidal voltage heating up in an external coupler. It came on suddenly
after about 5 minutes of transmissions, and came good after a few minutes to
cool. Replacing the toroid with a larger one cured the problem.



"Ron D'Eau Claire" <ron at cobi.biz> wrote:

> Hi Dave: I thought you said it happened after you sent CQ+Call a few
> times. When a core heats to its Curie temp, the inductance change happens
> "instantly". You are right - if it happens instantly when you hit the key
> it is not heating. Something is breaking down.
> 
> 73, Ron AC7AC
> 
> -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft
> [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Dave Cole Sent:
> Saturday, May 13, 2017 10:39 AM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re:
> [Elecraft] Strange SWR change on 20 at
> 
> I added the SWR meter...  My actual SWR jumps instantly up about1 SWR
> unit...  I believe it is a bad connection on the Challenger where the main
> antenna connects to the 20 meter tuning stub...
> 
> Just sort of surprised me to see a second person with the exact same issue
> is all...  SWR change is instant, so it is not heating...  Happens at 30
> watts, or 1 KW...  Time for a rebuild.
> 
> 73s and thanks, Dave NK7Z http://www.nk7z.net
> 
> On 05/13/2017 10:07 AM, Dave Cole wrote:
> > Hmmm...  I am having the exact same issue...  My SWR changes after a few
> > transmissions, then returns...  Up until now, I have been suspecting my
> > antenna...  Time to add an external SWR bridge between the tuner and
> > antenna as a permanent thing...
> >
> > 73s and thanks, Dave NK7Z http://www.nk7z.net
> >
> > On 05/13/2017 09:07 AM, Terry Brown wrote:
> > > I recently started using my horizontal loop that is about a full
> > > wavelength on 80, for 20 meters.  I took down my yagi as we are
> > > moving; drat!  My Horizontal Loop is at 40 ft.  height and fed with
> > > 450 window line into a 4:1 voltage balun with about 15 ft. of coax to
> > > rig.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> > > I am running 100 watts through my KXPA100.  I tune a frequency in the
> > > CW portion of 20 to about 1.2 :1 and start sending CQ.  After about 3
> > > to 4  3x3 CQ's,, the SWR goes off the charts and power drops to zero.
> > > I can retune the antenna and the process repeats itself.  20 meters
> > > is the only band affected.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> > > I am wondering if I am having RF problems in that part of the 20 meter
> > > bands This only occurs on 20 meters.  The Amp is grounded, but the KX3
> > > is not bonded to the Amp.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> > > I would appreciate any advice.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> > > Thanks and 73's,
> >>
> >>
> >>
> > > Terry de N7TB
> >>
> > > ______________________________________________________________
> > > Elecraft mailing list Home:
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From groups at planet3.freeuk.co.uk  Sat May 13 19:28:54 2017
From: groups at planet3.freeuk.co.uk (Brian D)
Date: Sun, 14 May 2017 00:28:54 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] Strange SWR change on 20 at
In-Reply-To: <mpro.opwz5x00snyne01ks.groups@planet3.freeuk.co.uk>
References: <001e01d2cc03$181f2c30$485d8490$@comcast.net> 
	<9ff90105-03b7-0d5e-2a7e-389ca64aa75b@nk7z.net> 
	<2a1e5f34-b9a5-9a8a-9215-e79989c69f1c@nk7z.net> 
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	<mpro.opwz5x00snyne01ks.groups@planet3.freeuk.co.uk>
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Diddn't proof read enoough, meant voltage transformer.

Brian D <groups at planet3.freeuk.co.uk> wrote:

> I have had similar problems with swr trips on my KPA500, only after
> several transmissions on some bands. By a process of elimination it was
> traced to a toroidal voltage
transformer
> heating up in an external coupler. It came on
> suddenly after about 5 minutes of transmissions, and came good after a few
> minutes to cool. Replacing the toroid with a larger one cured the problem.
> 
> 
> 
> "Ron D'Eau Claire" <ron at cobi.biz> wrote:
> 
> > Hi Dave: I thought you said it happened after you sent CQ+Call a few
> > times. When a core heats to its Curie temp, the inductance change
> > happens "instantly". You are right - if it happens instantly when you
> > hit the key it is not heating. Something is breaking down.
> > 
> > 73, Ron AC7AC
> > 
> > -----Original Message----- From: Elecraft
> > [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Dave Cole Sent:
> > Saturday, May 13, 2017 10:39 AM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject:
> > Re: [Elecraft] Strange SWR change on 20 at
> > 
> > I added the SWR meter...  My actual SWR jumps instantly up about1 SWR
> > unit...  I believe it is a bad connection on the Challenger where the
> > main antenna connects to the 20 meter tuning stub...
> > 
> > Just sort of surprised me to see a second person with the exact same
> > issue is all...  SWR change is instant, so it is not heating...  Happens
> > at 30 watts, or 1 KW...  Time for a rebuild.
> > 
> > 73s and thanks, Dave NK7Z http://www.nk7z.net
> > 
> > On 05/13/2017 10:07 AM, Dave Cole wrote:
> > > Hmmm...  I am having the exact same issue...  My SWR changes after a
> > > few transmissions, then returns...  Up until now, I have been
> > > suspecting my antenna...  Time to add an external SWR bridge between
> > > the tuner and antenna as a permanent thing...
> > >
> > > 73s and thanks, Dave NK7Z http://www.nk7z.net
> > >
> > > On 05/13/2017 09:07 AM, Terry Brown wrote:
> > > > I recently started using my horizontal loop that is about a full
> > > > wavelength on 80, for 20 meters.  I took down my yagi as we are
> > > > moving; drat!  My Horizontal Loop is at 40 ft.  height and fed with
> > > > 450 window line into a 4:1 voltage balun with about 15 ft. of coax
> > > > to rig.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > > > I am running 100 watts through my KXPA100.  I tune a frequency in
> > > > the CW portion of 20 to about 1.2 :1 and start sending CQ.  After
> > > > about 3 to 4  3x3 CQ's,, the SWR goes off the charts and power drops
> > > > to zero. I can retune the antenna and the process repeats itself.
> > > > 20 meters is the only band affected.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > > > I am wondering if I am having RF problems in that part of the 20
> > > > meter bands This only occurs on 20 meters.  The Amp is grounded, but
> > > > the KX3 is not bonded to the Amp.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > > > I would appreciate any advice.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > > > Thanks and 73's,
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > > > Terry de N7TB
> > >>
> > > > ______________________________________________________________
> > > > Elecraft mailing list Home:
> > > > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help:
> > > > http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post:
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> > >>
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> > > > email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to
> > > > dave at nk7z.net
> > >>
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From jim at jtmiller.com  Sat May 13 19:47:07 2017
From: jim at jtmiller.com (Jim Miller)
Date: Sat, 13 May 2017 19:47:07 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] FS: KPA500-F, KAT500-F
Message-ID: <CACYeN9w9FU8EOfapcJZ5a3zqhFTOZA4Gg=yM2e1ZiQX+Mm9g7w@mail.gmail.com>

Elecraft KPA500-F, 500 watt solid state amplifier, factory built, S/N 1109
- Solid 500w all modes with no derating needed even for RTTY or JT65 on
160m thru 6m.
- Instant on, no tuning.
- Integrates beautifully with K3 and K3s with included cable.
- Works well with other brand transceivers by RF sniffing and key line.
- 110/220v operation. I've always operated it at 110v.
- Excellent condition, non-smoking, original owner[image: [?IMG]]
- Compact size and carry handle makes it great for shack or DXpeds.
- More info http://www.elecraft.com/KPA500/KPA500.htm
- Asking $1900 delivered within 150 miles, or buyer pays shipping

Elecraft KAT500-F, 500 watt capable tuner, factory built, S/N 0143
- Tunes up to 10:1 at 500 watts
- 160m thru 6m
- Integrates beautifully with KPA500
- Includes cabling
- Excellent condition, non-smoking, original owner
- More info http://www.elecraft.com/KAT500/kat500.html
- Asking $500 plus shipping or delivered with KPA500 above

Paypal

73

Jim Miller, AB3CV
19900 Bentley Ridge Ct
Parkton MD 21120
443-421-4911

From dave at nk7z.net  Sat May 13 20:25:29 2017
From: dave at nk7z.net (Dave Cole)
Date: Sat, 13 May 2017 17:25:29 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 I/Q - was Elecraft's source code
In-Reply-To: <405562718.559020.1494704989957@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <201705130726.v4D7QjV7002579@mail41c28.carrierzone.com>
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Thanks for the tip sir!

73s and thanks,
Dave
NK7Z
http://www.nk7z.net

On 05/13/2017 12:49 PM, Harry Yingst wrote:
>
> I built up a little SoftRock SDR receiver for the IF Output of my K3
> from Five-Dash.
> I put it in a little die cast mini-box with a buffer amp and some
> isolation transformers.
> As I recall the kit was about $21 and a buck or so for the extra crystal
> for the K3's IF.
>
> I have another one here waiting to be built up for my K2... It's still
> waiting because
> my FiFi-SDR works quite well doing the same thing and has the sound card
> built in.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* Dave Cole <dave at nk7z.net>
> *To:* elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> *Sent:* Saturday, May 13, 2017 2:28 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft's source code
>
> I would LOVE an I/Q port on my K3!
>
> 73s and thanks,
> Dave
> NK7Z
> http://www.nk7z.net <http://www.nk7z.net/>
>
>

From ormandj at corenode.com  Sat May 13 20:46:49 2017
From: ormandj at corenode.com (David Orman)
Date: Sat, 13 May 2017 19:46:49 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] New KX3 firmware also improves AF gain &
	monitor control granularity
In-Reply-To: <A5D1B7A8-0F5A-45FD-942E-1D3924E52361@elecraft.com>
References: <20380A5C-6C19-47AC-9646-7A0368EF4509@elecraft.com>
	<A5D1B7A8-0F5A-45FD-942E-1D3924E52361@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <CAGxZ45qrFiOoYR80QPTuJRTDDGArG+y0T7-hRDCuzpXOfEgucQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Wayne,

Will this be released soon? The AF gain change is something I am very much
looking forward to.

Thank you for keeping these updates coming all these years,
David / K5DJO


On Apr 27, 2017 23:25, "Wayne Burdick n6kr at elecraft.com [KX3]" <
KX3-noreply at yahoogroups.com> wrote:



This revision also improves the granularity of the AF gain and monitor
level controls. Steps at the low end are about half the size as before.

73,
Wayne
N6KR

> On Apr 27, 2017, at 8:38 PM, Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> Rev. 2.70 KX3 firmware unintentionally reduced the max AF gain setting
for both speaker and headphones. (We improved the granularity of the AF
GAIN control at the low end but didn?t get around to scaling the high end
back up to the original level.)
>
> If you were affected by this and would like to try the field test release
(rev. 2.76), please email me directly.
>
> This rev also includes the new ?ATU DATA? menu entry, which gives you two
full sets of per-band ATU data for use when running the KX3 ?barefoot?
(without the KXPA100/KXAT100). Typically one set would be used at home, the
other in the field. If you do a lot of outings, this can save you the
trouble of re-matching all of your antennas when you get home. Another use
for this is with two different antennas for a given band.
>
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR
>
>

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__,_._,___

From ghyoungman at gmail.com  Sat May 13 20:51:27 2017
From: ghyoungman at gmail.com (GRANT YOUNGMAN)
Date: Sat, 13 May 2017 20:51:27 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] New KX3 firmware also improves AF gain &
 monitor control granularity
In-Reply-To: <CAGxZ45qrFiOoYR80QPTuJRTDDGArG+y0T7-hRDCuzpXOfEgucQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20380A5C-6C19-47AC-9646-7A0368EF4509@elecraft.com>
	<A5D1B7A8-0F5A-45FD-942E-1D3924E52361@elecraft.com>
	<CAGxZ45qrFiOoYR80QPTuJRTDDGArG+y0T7-hRDCuzpXOfEgucQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F880210B-043E-4136-8DC7-AD62B5FE7B48@gmail.com>

Check the KX3 firmware page.  2.76 has already been released.


> On May 13, 2017, at 8:46 PM, David Orman <ormandj at corenode.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Wayne,
> 
> Will this be released soon? The AF gain change is something I am very much
> looking forward to.
> 
> 

Grant NQ5T
K3 #2091, KX3 #8342




From kevinr at coho.net  Sun May 14 00:04:25 2017
From: kevinr at coho.net (kevinr at coho.net)
Date: Sat, 13 May 2017 21:04:25 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Announcement
Message-ID: <9d176f67-e6a3-e596-75d5-f20fe548696b@coho.net>

Good Evening,

Please join us tomorrow on:

    14050 kHz at 2200z Sunday (3 PM PDT Sunday)
     7045 kHz at 0000z Monday (5 PM PDT Sunday)

     73,
         Kevin. KD5ONS

-


From ormandj at corenode.com  Sun May 14 00:57:19 2017
From: ormandj at corenode.com (David Orman)
Date: Sat, 13 May 2017 23:57:19 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] New KX3 firmware also improves AF gain &
 monitor control granularity
In-Reply-To: <F880210B-043E-4136-8DC7-AD62B5FE7B48@gmail.com>
References: <20380A5C-6C19-47AC-9646-7A0368EF4509@elecraft.com>
	<A5D1B7A8-0F5A-45FD-942E-1D3924E52361@elecraft.com>
	<CAGxZ45qrFiOoYR80QPTuJRTDDGArG+y0T7-hRDCuzpXOfEgucQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<F880210B-043E-4136-8DC7-AD62B5FE7B48@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGxZ45pnxAckgoVqKJHPzpTNfDLPeC_CQnaLLD40Es8LTkXgRA@mail.gmail.com>

Missed it since beta was still 2.70 on said page. I should have kept
scrolling! Thank you for the tip, it works like a champ.

On May 13, 2017 19:51, "GRANT YOUNGMAN" <ghyoungman at gmail.com> wrote:

> Check the KX3 firmware page.  2.76 has already been released.
>
>
> > On May 13, 2017, at 8:46 PM, David Orman <ormandj at corenode.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Wayne,
> >
> > Will this be released soon? The AF gain change is something I am very
> much
> > looking forward to.
> >
> >
>
> Grant NQ5T
> K3 #2091, KX3 #8342
>
>
>
>

From nz8j at woh.rr.com  Sun May 14 08:46:04 2017
From: nz8j at woh.rr.com (Tim Cook)
Date: Sun, 14 May 2017 08:46:04 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Looking for a W2 wattmeter
Message-ID: <029C05C6-B879-4806-AC12-7305F3C03AFE@woh.rr.com>

Anyone have a W2 wattmeter for sale? Need one with the 2kw coupler, the vhf/uhf coupler would be a bonus.
If you have one you'd like to sell please send particulars including price shipped.
Thanks
Tim
NZ8J

From cbjesseeNH at comcast.net  Sun May 14 09:09:08 2017
From: cbjesseeNH at comcast.net (MaverickNH)
Date: Sun, 14 May 2017 06:09:08 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] New Product Announcement
In-Reply-To: <23dc1b41-6a6a-6ad3-e754-b0e252cc96fe@mebtel.net>
References: <4602AF9F-A71B-4369-B067-7D04D82D64A9@elecraft.com>
	<23dc1b41-6a6a-6ad3-e754-b0e252cc96fe@mebtel.net>
Message-ID: <1494767348296-7630599.post@n2.nabble.com>

Hi Howie,

I got your email "Thank you for your order of the Kx22 Heatsink for the
Elecraft KX2.  Elecraft has notified us of a recent modification which
affects the installation procedure of our new Kx22 Heatsink.  It is
relatively minor but requires some additional parts to electrically isolate
the PA FETs from the heatsink.  KX2s which were supplied with this mod from
the factory can be identified by the presence of a piece of foam and copper
tape linking the two FETs as shown in this picture..."

My KX2 with ATU does NOT have the foam/copper tape as SN 00757, as I replied
to your email. But I'm wondering why this recent modification was necessary
from Elecraft - presumably linked to recent revision and not needed for my
older unit?

Bret (aka Charles Jessee)
N4SRN



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From tom.hellem at gmail.com  Sun May 14 09:31:33 2017
From: tom.hellem at gmail.com (Tom Hellem)
Date: Sun, 14 May 2017 07:31:33 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 For Club Radio
Message-ID: <CANyX0ArYrNXPd6sn1nfd4gALY5=8C0k+kvPk_X4LbfdgK+FQQw@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks to all who responded to my post. Looks like it's pretty
much unanimous, the K2 makes a great Field Day radio.

You folks are the best!

Tom K0SN

From kevin at k4vd.net  Sun May 14 11:05:20 2017
From: kevin at k4vd.net (Kevin - K4VD)
Date: Sun, 14 May 2017 11:05:20 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 Heatsink
Message-ID: <CAFA9ujvNk24h=4jntMDmy62dfuM0v-DT++ph59cYTd-zaAmKjQ@mail.gmail.com>

>From a recent post:

"We have been told by people running the rig in digital modes at 10W the
unit will thermal down after a few transmit cycles"

I understand the KX3 also had an early issue with heatsinks that was
corrected in time by the company making the aftermarket heatsink
unnecessary I think? I wonder if Elecraft has acknowledged the issue and is
correcting it for the KX2 also?

It seems odd to me that an issue like this would go unmentioned and
unaddressed by Elecraft.

73,
Kev K4VD

From ava622 at verizon.net  Sun May 14 11:47:30 2017
From: ava622 at verizon.net (Michael Aust)
Date: Sun, 14 May 2017 11:47:30 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Taking KX3 on Airlines -Any issues/hassles with TSA/etc
 here days - with Bio-Engg 12V 7Ah Lithium Battery as Carry On Luggage
Message-ID: <15c07a4a7f2-5bc9-4340@webprd-a50.mail.aol.com>

Taking KX3 on Airlines -Any issues/hassles with TSA/etc  here days - with Bio-Engg 12V 7Ah Lithium Battery as Carry On Luggage 


USA to Hawaii


USA oversea's 


Any recent traveler's experience with Airport screeners ?


etc


Mike
WB6DJi




From ava622 at verizon.net  Sun May 14 11:55:37 2017
From: ava622 at verizon.net (Michael Aust)
Date: Sun, 14 May 2017 11:55:37 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Taking KX3 on Airlines -Any issues/hassles with
 TSA/etc there days - with Bio-Engg 12V 7Ah Lithium Battery as Carry On
 Luggage
In-Reply-To: <15c07a4a7f2-5bc9-4340@webprd-a50.mail.aol.com>
References: <15c07a4a7f2-5bc9-4340@webprd-a50.mail.aol.com>
Message-ID: <15c07ac165c-5bc9-436d@webprd-a50.mail.aol.com>

Just trying to plan the logistics for taking a KX3 with me 
on the Airlines


Mike
WB6DJi




-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Aust <ava622 at verizon.net>
To: elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Sun, May 14, 2017 8:47 am
Subject: Taking KX3 on Airlines -Any issues/hassles with TSA/etc there days - with Bio-Engg 12V 7Ah Lithium Battery as Carry On Luggage


Taking KX3 on Airlines -Any issues/hassles with TSA/etc  here days - with Bio-Engg 12V 7Ah Lithium Battery as Carry On Luggage 


USA to Hawaii


USA oversea's 


Any recent traveler's experience with Airport screeners ?


etc


Mike
WB6DJi






From z_kevino at hotmail.com  Sun May 14 12:03:55 2017
From: z_kevino at hotmail.com (kevino z)
Date: Sun, 14 May 2017 16:03:55 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Taking KX3 on Airlines -Any issues/hassles with
 TSA/etc there days - with Bio-Engg 12V 7Ah Lithium Battery as Carry On
 Luggage
In-Reply-To: <15c07ac165c-5bc9-436d@webprd-a50.mail.aol.com>
References: <15c07a4a7f2-5bc9-4340@webprd-a50.mail.aol.com>,
	<15c07ac165c-5bc9-436d@webprd-a50.mail.aol.com>
Message-ID: <MWHPR15MB116616D6E75C3EC880A68BE7FAE00@MWHPR15MB1166.namprd15.prod.outlook.com>

https://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/headquarters_offices/ash/ash_programs/hazmat/passenger_info/media/Airline_passengers_and_batteries.pdf

I've brought my KX2 with internal battery numerous times within CONUS. not sure if Hawaii is any different. Don't have batteries for my KX3, but I did travel to Europe several times as carry on in pelican case without incident.

-Kevin (KK4YEL)

-----
The problem with the world is that the intelligent people are full of doubts, while the stupid ones are full of confidence.

On May 14, 2017, at 11:57, Michael Aust <ava622 at verizon.net<mailto:ava622 at verizon.net>> wrote:

Just trying to plan the logistics for taking a KX3 with me
on the Airlines


Mike
WB6DJi




-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Aust <ava622 at verizon.net<mailto:ava622 at verizon.net>>
To: elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net<mailto:elecraft at mailman.qth.net>>
Sent: Sun, May 14, 2017 8:47 am
Subject: Taking KX3 on Airlines -Any issues/hassles with TSA/etc there days - with Bio-Engg 12V 7Ah Lithium Battery as Carry On Luggage


Taking KX3 on Airlines -Any issues/hassles with TSA/etc  here days - with Bio-Engg 12V 7Ah Lithium Battery as Carry On Luggage


USA to Hawaii


USA oversea's


Any recent traveler's experience with Airport screeners ?


etc


Mike
WB6DJi





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From nick at n6ol.us  Sun May 14 12:05:10 2017
From: nick at n6ol.us (Nicklas Johnson)
Date: Sun, 14 May 2017 09:05:10 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Taking KX3 on Airlines -Any issues/hassles with
 TSA/etc here days - with Bio-Engg 12V 7Ah Lithium Battery as Carry On
 Luggage
In-Reply-To: <15c07a4a7f2-5bc9-4340@webprd-a50.mail.aol.com>
References: <15c07a4a7f2-5bc9-4340@webprd-a50.mail.aol.com>
Message-ID: <CA+ZptLkcOZBuqTA1TDoFesU+3KrcV+kVeTKjHUFeZQ8MW2G59g@mail.gmail.com>

The only trouble I had was TSA in Hawaii confiscating my cheap wire
strippers, because they have a rule against tools greater than 8 inches in
length.  Because of course that's how terrorists are going to hijack a
plane-- with a pair of Home Depot wire strippers.  Funnily enough, TSA at
SFO on the way out didn't notice or care.  I had my Buddistick in my
checked luggage.

You definitely want anything with batteries in your carry-on, but you knew
that.

I brought along a photocopy of my license in my carry-on just in case I
needed it, but I didn't.

   Nick

On 14 May 2017 at 08:47, Michael Aust <ava622 at verizon.net> wrote:

> Taking KX3 on Airlines -Any issues/hassles with TSA/etc  here days - with
> Bio-Engg 12V 7Ah Lithium Battery as Carry On Luggage
>
>
> USA to Hawaii
>
>
> USA oversea's
>
>
> Any recent traveler's experience with Airport screeners ?
>
>
> etc
>
>
> Mike
> WB6DJi
>
>
>
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From wunder at wunderwood.org  Sun May 14 12:19:03 2017
From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood)
Date: Sun, 14 May 2017 09:19:03 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 Heatsink
In-Reply-To: <CAFA9ujvNk24h=4jntMDmy62dfuM0v-DT++ph59cYTd-zaAmKjQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFA9ujvNk24h=4jntMDmy62dfuM0v-DT++ph59cYTd-zaAmKjQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <01B89166-0DFE-4C8F-901C-172A4C2081AD@wunderwood.org>

First, read the specifications. They are on page 54 of the latest KX3 manual.

" 5 W or less recommended for high-duty-cycle modes (FM, AM, DATA). Power will automatically be reduced if PA temperature or current limits are exceeded.?

A larger heatsink was introduced a couple of years ago. The serial numbers for the new heatsink are listed on the mods page.

http://www.elecraft.com/order_form_parts.htm#kx3 <http://www.elecraft.com/order_form_parts.htm#kx3>

Description and instructions include this: "The enhanced heat sink is thicker than the original and wraps around the bottom of the KX3 as shown in Figure 1. The additional mass and area of this heat sink provides as much as twice the operating time at full power before the KX3?s protective circuitry automatically reduces the power to 5 watts."

http://www.elecraft.com/manual/E740254%20KX3HSMDKT%20Heat%20Sink%20Installation%20rev%20A.pdf <http://www.elecraft.com/manual/E740254%20KX3HSMDKT%20Heat%20Sink%20Installation%20rev%20A.pdf>

For digital modes that require a lot of headroom and linearity (PSK31), I?d probably stick with 5 W.

wunder
K6WRU
Walter Underwood
CM87wj
http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog)

> On May 14, 2017, at 8:05 AM, Kevin - K4VD <kevin at k4vd.net> wrote:
> 
> From a recent post:
> 
> "We have been told by people running the rig in digital modes at 10W the
> unit will thermal down after a few transmit cycles"
> 
> I understand the KX3 also had an early issue with heatsinks that was
> corrected in time by the company making the aftermarket heatsink
> unnecessary I think? I wonder if Elecraft has acknowledged the issue and is
> correcting it for the KX2 also?
> 
> It seems odd to me that an issue like this would go unmentioned and
> unaddressed by Elecraft.
> 
> 73,
> Kev K4VD
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From mike at ki8r.com  Sun May 14 12:19:17 2017
From: mike at ki8r.com (Mike Murphy)
Date: Sun, 14 May 2017 12:19:17 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Taking KX3 on Airlines -Any issues/hassles with
	TSA/etc there days - with Bio-Engg 12V 7Ah Lithium Battery as
	Carry On Luggage
In-Reply-To: <MWHPR15MB116616D6E75C3EC880A68BE7FAE00@MWHPR15MB1166.namprd15.prod.outlook.com>
References: <15c07a4a7f2-5bc9-4340@webprd-a50.mail.aol.com>
	<15c07ac165c-5bc9-436d@webprd-a50.mail.aol.com>
	<MWHPR15MB116616D6E75C3EC880A68BE7FAE00@MWHPR15MB1166.namprd15.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <7C93D079-C636-4CA3-998E-5D547BF9CC7C@ki8r.com>

I traveled to St. Lucia with my KX3, matching amplifier and power supply. The only thing TSA was interested in was my bencher paddle. 

I had a copy of my license in my carrying case, just in case they were interested. They were not.

Mike - KI8R 

--------------------------------------
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mike at ki8r.com

twitter.com/ki8r

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--------------------------------------

> On May 14, 2017, at 12:03 PM, kevino z <z_kevino at hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> https://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/headquarters_offices/ash/ash_programs/hazmat/passenger_info/media/Airline_passengers_and_batteries.pdf
> 
> I've brought my KX2 with internal battery numerous times within CONUS. not sure if Hawaii is any different. Don't have batteries for my KX3, but I did travel to Europe several times as carry on in pelican case without incident.
> 
> -Kevin (KK4YEL)
> 
> -----
> The problem with the world is that the intelligent people are full of doubts, while the stupid ones are full of confidence.
> 
> On May 14, 2017, at 11:57, Michael Aust <ava622 at verizon.net<mailto:ava622 at verizon.net>> wrote:
> 
> Just trying to plan the logistics for taking a KX3 with me
> on the Airlines
> 
> 
> Mike
> WB6DJi
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael Aust <ava622 at verizon.net<mailto:ava622 at verizon.net>>
> To: elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net<mailto:elecraft at mailman.qth.net>>
> Sent: Sun, May 14, 2017 8:47 am
> Subject: Taking KX3 on Airlines -Any issues/hassles with TSA/etc there days - with Bio-Engg 12V 7Ah Lithium Battery as Carry On Luggage
> 
> 
> Taking KX3 on Airlines -Any issues/hassles with TSA/etc  here days - with Bio-Engg 12V 7Ah Lithium Battery as Carry On Luggage
> 
> 
> USA to Hawaii
> 
> 
> USA oversea's
> 
> 
> Any recent traveler's experience with Airport screeners ?
> 
> 
> etc
> 
> 
> Mike
> WB6DJi
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From turnbull at net1.ie  Sun May 14 12:27:14 2017
From: turnbull at net1.ie (Doug Turnbull)
Date: Sun, 14 May 2017 16:27:14 -0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Taking KX3 on Airlines -Any issues/hassles with
	TSA/etc there days - with Bio-Engg 12V 7Ah Lithium Battery as
	Carry On Luggage
In-Reply-To: <MWHPR15MB116616D6E75C3EC880A68BE7FAE00@MWHPR15MB1166.namprd15.prod.outlook.com>
References: <15c07a4a7f2-5bc9-4340@webprd-a50.mail.aol.com>,
	<15c07ac165c-5bc9-436d@webprd-a50.mail.aol.com>
	<MWHPR15MB116616D6E75C3EC880A68BE7FAE00@MWHPR15MB1166.namprd15.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <9DE00550C7644B188D7C0C72BDB604E0@DougTPC>

Dear OMs and YLs,
     I have travelled across Europe and from USA to Europe with a KX2 and
had no problems - no one commented except the TSA man in JFK seemed to have
been an SWL and commented on how small they were making radios these days.
Surprisingly they did not want me to turn the radio on though I did have it
out of the carryon and on display.   Go for it and do not worry.   

     Take the battery in the radio and remove them when you get to KH6 a
charge only takes two hours so there is no big deal in this; a big advantage
over my KX3.  I had a second batter stored in the LowPro carry case and this
caused no concern - I would have given them the battery if it was a problem.
Enjoy your trip.

                         73 Doug EI2CN

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of kevino
z
Sent: 14 May 2017 16:04
To: Michael Aust
Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Taking KX3 on Airlines -Any issues/hassles with
TSA/etc there days - with Bio-Engg 12V 7Ah Lithium Battery as Carry On
Luggage

https://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/headquarters_offices/ash/ash_programs/h
azmat/passenger_info/media/Airline_passengers_and_batteries.pdf

I've brought my KX2 with internal battery numerous times within CONUS. not
sure if Hawaii is any different. Don't have batteries for my KX3, but I did
travel to Europe several times as carry on in pelican case without incident.

-Kevin (KK4YEL)

-----
The problem with the world is that the intelligent people are full of
doubts, while the stupid ones are full of confidence.

On May 14, 2017, at 11:57, Michael Aust
<ava622 at verizon.net<mailto:ava622 at verizon.net>> wrote:

Just trying to plan the logistics for taking a KX3 with me
on the Airlines


Mike
WB6DJi




-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Aust <ava622 at verizon.net<mailto:ava622 at verizon.net>>
To: elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net<mailto:elecraft at mailman.qth.net>>
Sent: Sun, May 14, 2017 8:47 am
Subject: Taking KX3 on Airlines -Any issues/hassles with TSA/etc there days
- with Bio-Engg 12V 7Ah Lithium Battery as Carry On Luggage


Taking KX3 on Airlines -Any issues/hassles with TSA/etc  here days - with
Bio-Engg 12V 7Ah Lithium Battery as Carry On Luggage


USA to Hawaii


USA oversea's


Any recent traveler's experience with Airport screeners ?


etc


Mike
WB6DJi





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From radiok4ia at gmail.com  Sun May 14 12:35:45 2017
From: radiok4ia at gmail.com (Craig Buck)
Date: Sun, 14 May 2017 12:35:45 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Taking KX3 on Airlines -Any issues/hassles with
 TSA/etc there days - with Bio-Engg 12V 7Ah Lithium Battery as Carry On
 Luggage
In-Reply-To: <15c07ac165c-5bc9-436d@webprd-a50.mail.aol.com>
References: <15c07a4a7f2-5bc9-4340@webprd-a50.mail.aol.com>
	<15c07ac165c-5bc9-436d@webprd-a50.mail.aol.com>
Message-ID: <CAAq9XAAVMU=y9zXcU0+G4ACp=7zG7r3=EZYwTor9inFxrOiUnQ@mail.gmail.com>

I took a KX3, coax and coil of wire in carryon through Reagan to JFK and to
Israel on El AL.  That is the toughest security route in the world.  No one
said a thing or asked about it.  Brought it back in checked and Xrayed
luggage.  Again not a peep.

I was prepared with a copy of an ad showing what it was but never had to
show it.

On May 14, 2017 11:57, "Michael Aust" <ava622 at verizon.net> wrote:

> Just trying to plan the logistics for taking a KX3 with me
> on the Airlines
>
>
> Mike
> WB6DJi
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael Aust <ava622 at verizon.net>
> To: elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Sent: Sun, May 14, 2017 8:47 am
> Subject: Taking KX3 on Airlines -Any issues/hassles with TSA/etc there
> days - with Bio-Engg 12V 7Ah Lithium Battery as Carry On Luggage
>
>
> Taking KX3 on Airlines -Any issues/hassles with TSA/etc  here days - with
> Bio-Engg 12V 7Ah Lithium Battery as Carry On Luggage
>
>
> USA to Hawaii
>
>
> USA oversea's
>
>
> Any recent traveler's experience with Airport screeners ?
>
>
> etc
>
>
> Mike
> WB6DJi
>
>
>
>
>
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From rich at wc3t.us  Sun May 14 12:50:06 2017
From: rich at wc3t.us (rich hurd WC3T)
Date: Sun, 14 May 2017 16:50:06 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 Heatsink
In-Reply-To: <01B89166-0DFE-4C8F-901C-172A4C2081AD@wunderwood.org>
References: <CAFA9ujvNk24h=4jntMDmy62dfuM0v-DT++ph59cYTd-zaAmKjQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<01B89166-0DFE-4C8F-901C-172A4C2081AD@wunderwood.org>
Message-ID: <CABYU7WiDPQ-cxaK7eWzAfqf8y8dLYVk2-Q82a9v7Ktc5kEGNGA@mail.gmail.com>

I had thermal warnings on my KX3 with WSPR at 0.1 watt.  60% duty cycle,
however.

On Sun, May 14, 2017 at 12:19 PM Walter Underwood <wunder at wunderwood.org>
wrote:

> First, read the specifications. They are on page 54 of the latest KX3
> manual.
>
> " 5 W or less recommended for high-duty-cycle modes (FM, AM, DATA). Power
> will automatically be reduced if PA temperature or current limits are
> exceeded.?
>
> A larger heatsink was introduced a couple of years ago. The serial numbers
> for the new heatsink are listed on the mods page.
>
> http://www.elecraft.com/order_form_parts.htm#kx3 <
> http://www.elecraft.com/order_form_parts.htm#kx3>
>
> Description and instructions include this: "The enhanced heat sink is
> thicker than the original and wraps around the bottom of the KX3 as shown
> in Figure 1. The additional mass and area of this heat sink provides as
> much as twice the operating time at full power before the KX3?s protective
> circuitry automatically reduces the power to 5 watts."
>
>
> http://www.elecraft.com/manual/E740254%20KX3HSMDKT%20Heat%20Sink%20Installation%20rev%20A.pdf
> <
> http://www.elecraft.com/manual/E740254%20KX3HSMDKT%20Heat%20Sink%20Installation%20rev%20A.pdf
> >
>
> For digital modes that require a lot of headroom and linearity (PSK31),
> I?d probably stick with 5 W.
>
> wunder
> K6WRU
> Walter Underwood
> CM87wj
> http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog)
>
> > On May 14, 2017, at 8:05 AM, Kevin - K4VD <kevin at k4vd.net> wrote:
> >
> > From a recent post:
> >
> > "We have been told by people running the rig in digital modes at 10W the
> > unit will thermal down after a few transmit cycles"
> >
> > I understand the KX3 also had an early issue with heatsinks that was
> > corrected in time by the company making the aftermarket heatsink
> > unnecessary I think? I wonder if Elecraft has acknowledged the issue and
> is
> > correcting it for the KX2 also?
> >
> > It seems odd to me that an issue like this would go unmentioned and
> > unaddressed by Elecraft.
> >
> > 73,
> > Kev K4VD
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From n6kr at elecraft.com  Sun May 14 12:55:34 2017
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Sun, 14 May 2017 09:55:34 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 Heatsink [which is entirely sufficient for
	typical operation]
In-Reply-To: <CAFA9ujvNk24h=4jntMDmy62dfuM0v-DT++ph59cYTd-zaAmKjQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFA9ujvNk24h=4jntMDmy62dfuM0v-DT++ph59cYTd-zaAmKjQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5A9ADA25-9744-4307-A0AF-E45082652975@elecraft.com>

Hi Kevin,

We have shipped many thousands of KX2s, and in all that time I have seen only a few comments asking about additional heat sinking.

The KX2?s thick right side panel is thermally integrated with both the top and bottom cover. This results in heat sinking that is entirely adequate  in all modes at full power, even from a 14 volt external supply. When running from internal battery (11 V), heat dissipation is further reduced for a given power level.

To put a rough number on this: I just ran my KX2 at 10 watts key-down in CW mode, into a dummy load, while watching the PA temperature (using the DISP switch function). It took well over 7 minutes for the temperature to reach the limit (63 C), at which point power was reduced automatically to 5 watts. If you persisted in operating key-down, the radio would eventually exit transmit mode. Starting temperature was 25 C (shack ambient).

Additional heat sinking might be desirable if you?re going well beyond ?typical? operation: e.g., trying to run full power key-down for many minutes at a time, repeatedly, in a hot car or in direct sunlight. In that case, you have other options besides using supplemental heat sinking: reduce power, run from a lower supply voltage (like the internal battery), move into the shade, roll down the car windows, etc.

But for the overwhelming majority of our customers, the KX2?s thermal design is completely up to the task. Note that the heat sinking is intentionally designed to heat up the right end of the enclosure, so that when using the rig like an HT (holding the non-antenna end), you?ll barely feel any increase in warmth. 

73,
Wayne
N6KR



> Kevin - K4VD wrote:
> 
> From a recent post:
> 
> "We have been told by people running the rig in digital modes at 10W the
> unit will thermal down after a few transmit cycles"
> 
> I understand the KX3 also had an early issue with heatsinks that was
> corrected in time by the company making the aftermarket heatsink
> unnecessary I think? I wonder if Elecraft has acknowledged the issue and is
> correcting it for the KX2 also?






From ken at arcomcontrollers.com  Sun May 14 13:02:14 2017
From: ken at arcomcontrollers.com (Ken Arck)
Date: Sun, 14 May 2017 10:02:14 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Taking KX3 on Airlines -Any issues/hassles with
 TSA/etc here days - with Bio-Engg 12V 7Ah Lithium Battery as Carry On
 Luggage
Message-ID: <mailman.434.1494781344.7381.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>

Whatever you do, if they ask for your KX2 to give up its seat for a 
crew member, don't argue!!!!!




At 08:47 AM 5/14/2017, you wrote:
>Taking KX3 on Airlines -Any issues/hassles with TSA/etc  here days - 
>with Bio-Engg 12V 7Ah Lithium Battery as Carry On Luggage
>
>
>USA to Hawaii
>
>
>USA oversea's
>
>
>Any recent traveler's experience with Airport screeners ?
>
>
>etc
>
>
>Mike
>WB6DJi
>
>
>
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From w1dwz at fullchannel.net  Sun May 14 14:38:39 2017
From: w1dwz at fullchannel.net (w1dwz at fullchannel.net)
Date: Sun, 14 May 2017 14:38:39 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K1 w/KBT1 battery pack
Message-ID: <5129addde5ac1d1939869b87919a116b@fullchannel.net>

I would like to  make use of this ample resource of ELECRAFT
knowledgeable  persons  available  , to clear up an issue of how to use
my K1  w/ internal battery pack properly. 

ELECRAFT urges the practice of not charging the battery pack  KBT1 
while sitting  in the K1 itself. I assume it is for thermal reasons.   I
have found  that  it is kind of a hassle to take out the 4 screws
holding the top ,  pop out the pack  , remove the 8  AA cells , 
recharge them , reinstall , etc...           What if one recharges  them
 ,  while still in the K1   ,  at reduced charge rate , like say  10 C  
or 20 C   rate  , perhaps around   100 ma  or so    ,   for a   typical 
1200 maH   cell      ?     And monitor what that would do to the
temperature of the pack by feeling of it for a test ?   If the pack is
just mildly warm  , feed the charge line in the  12VDC Aux line ,  set
it for  a low sort of trickle rate   60-100 ma  , and do away with all
that hassle. 

All comments / suggestions    gratefully received. 

73  Dave   W1DWZ

From ormandj at corenode.com  Sun May 14 14:43:08 2017
From: ormandj at corenode.com (David Orman)
Date: Sun, 14 May 2017 13:43:08 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Ideal input voltage for TX on KXPA100?
Message-ID: <CAGxZ45qYUEcuTvcVrPwNGMgUehzi4uwHK9os_wkUm4VZroKLsg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

In order to maximize TX quality and cleanliness from the KXPA100, what
should I aim for regarding input voltage on 100W keydown as seen by the KX3
display option PS? I've got an adjustable Astron VS-70M, but would like to
power other equipment, so am trying to find to sweet spot for the radio
before figuring out solutions for the other devices.

I do intend to eventually move to a K* device, wishful thinking/fingers
crossed we will see it at Dayton and it'll have a 200W output. ;) For now,
though, I just want to make sure I'm running my KX3/KXPA100 optimally and
being a good radio citizen on TX. Thank you in advance!

David / K5DJO

From hhoyt at mebtel.net  Sun May 14 14:58:12 2017
From: hhoyt at mebtel.net (Howard Hoyt)
Date: Sun, 14 May 2017 14:58:12 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Xenia/Dayton
In-Reply-To: <23dc1b41-6a6a-6ad3-e754-b0e252cc96fe@mebtel.net>
References: <4602AF9F-A71B-4369-B067-7D04D82D64A9@elecraft.com>
	<23dc1b41-6a6a-6ad3-e754-b0e252cc96fe@mebtel.net>
Message-ID: <bd55b812-52ec-4ef8-5725-0c059790211a@mebtel.net>

*For those of you who cannot attend the Dayton/Xenia Hamvention we have 
a few announcements:

1)  We will be offering free shipping from May 15th until May 31 for all 
USA orders except ferrite-only orders.  It's not as exciting as picking 
your stuff up at the Hamvention and meeting the dynamic Wayne, Eric and 
the rest of the Elecraft crew as well as me and my daughter Sarah 
KM4WHL, but its the next best thing!

2)  We are showing 2 new products and taking pre-orders (no payment): 
the Kx32fan accessory and Kx21 3-cell DC Charger.  If you cannot make 
the show, please send an email to: info at proaudioeng.com and let us know 
you want to be on the list, and we'll save your place in the initial 
orders.  Those of you who have already emailed us about these products 
are already in the queue.

To those who will be at Xenia, travel safely, and we are looking forward 
to meeting you!

Cheers & 73,

Howie - WA4PSC
www.proaudioeng.com*

From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Sun May 14 15:11:44 2017
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sun, 14 May 2017 15:11:44 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Ideal input voltage for TX on KXPA100?
In-Reply-To: <CAGxZ45qYUEcuTvcVrPwNGMgUehzi4uwHK9os_wkUm4VZroKLsg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGxZ45qYUEcuTvcVrPwNGMgUehzi4uwHK9os_wkUm4VZroKLsg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2ff16382-7906-4c41-ae89-07c908a6b74f@embarqmail.com>

David,

Turn it up until you see at least 13.8 on the KX3 when idle, then check 
the voltage during transmit.  You really  can go up to 14.5 volts with 
no harm.  If the voltage drops by more than 1 volt, you have too much 
resistance (too many connections) in the power cord run from the power 
supply.
Connect the power cable to the KXPA100 directly to the power supply 
terminals.  With a 15 amp draw there will be a substantial voltage drop 
across a device like a Rigrunner.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 5/14/2017 2:43 PM, David Orman wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> In order to maximize TX quality and cleanliness from the KXPA100, what
> should I aim for regarding input voltage on 100W keydown as seen by the KX3
> display option PS? I've got an adjustable Astron VS-70M, but would like to
> power other equipment, so am trying to find to sweet spot for the radio

From rajacicmilan at gmail.com  Sun May 14 15:15:03 2017
From: rajacicmilan at gmail.com (Milan)
Date: Sun, 14 May 2017 21:15:03 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] =?utf-8?q?_Taking_KX3_on_Airlines_-Any_issues/hassles_?=
 =?utf-8?q?with_TSA/etc_here_days_-=E2=80=A6?=
Message-ID: <3296FA54-EF19-4EEA-BB66-30289CF11890@gmail.com>

Nobody even look or ask something on JFK last two times. 
Just put everything in drawer. Antenna, except battery put in 
checking luggage with copy of licence and have original with you. 
That way I did this winter.

Milan
YU7NS


From nz8j at woh.rr.com  Sun May 14 15:38:22 2017
From: nz8j at woh.rr.com (nz8j)
Date: Sun, 14 May 2017 15:38:22 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] W2 Found
Message-ID: <7C.EB.28916.132B8195@cdptpa-omsmta01>




Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone

From ormandj at corenode.com  Sun May 14 15:42:27 2017
From: ormandj at corenode.com (David Orman)
Date: Sun, 14 May 2017 19:42:27 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Ideal input voltage for TX on KXPA100?
In-Reply-To: <2ff16382-7906-4c41-ae89-07c908a6b74f@embarqmail.com>
References: <CAGxZ45qYUEcuTvcVrPwNGMgUehzi4uwHK9os_wkUm4VZroKLsg@mail.gmail.com>
	<2ff16382-7906-4c41-ae89-07c908a6b74f@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGxZ45q=dghRJ7hYtNdBsGmCjjJj0aB+ubVsVOjRERefvuj7TQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Don,

Thank you for the reply. Is there an ideal voltage under TX/ load? 13.8V
under load is easy, so is 14.5+. If there's advantage to running higher
voltages, I can, but if there is no advantage I'll just target 13.8 under
load and call it a day and not worry about dropping voltage for other
components.

David

On Sun, May 14, 2017, 14:11 Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com> wrote:

> David,
>
> Turn it up until you see at least 13.8 on the KX3 when idle, then check
> the voltage during transmit.  You really  can go up to 14.5 volts with
> no harm.  If the voltage drops by more than 1 volt, you have too much
> resistance (too many connections) in the power cord run from the power
> supply.
> Connect the power cable to the KXPA100 directly to the power supply
> terminals.  With a 15 amp draw there will be a substantial voltage drop
> across a device like a Rigrunner.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 5/14/2017 2:43 PM, David Orman wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > In order to maximize TX quality and cleanliness from the KXPA100, what
> > should I aim for regarding input voltage on 100W keydown as seen by the
> KX3
> > display option PS? I've got an adjustable Astron VS-70M, but would like
> to
> > power other equipment, so am trying to find to sweet spot for the radio
>

From n6kr at elecraft.com  Sun May 14 15:53:09 2017
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Sun, 14 May 2017 12:53:09 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Fixed bug in K3 macro handling;
 also fixes "lost K-Pod switch event" syndrome
Message-ID: <ED71CB7D-1966-4475-B157-5C85B5D179AA@elecraft.com>

Hi all,

If you use a K-Pod, or K3 macros in general, you may have occasionally noticed that a macro?s name was flashed on VFO B but the macro itself didn?t get executed. This would only happen if you also had an external application such as LP-Bridge or HRD polling the radio continuously. 

The K-Pod is affected because it uses K3 macros to define its switch tap/hold behavior.

I found the source of the problem and will have a new field-test firmware release by tomorrow. If you have time to test it, please email me directly.

73,
Wayne
N6KR



From kevin at k4vd.net  Sun May 14 16:00:29 2017
From: kevin at k4vd.net (Kevin - K4VD)
Date: Sun, 14 May 2017 16:00:29 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 Heatsink [which is entirely sufficient for
	typical operation]
In-Reply-To: <5A9ADA25-9744-4307-A0AF-E45082652975@elecraft.com>
References: <CAFA9ujvNk24h=4jntMDmy62dfuM0v-DT++ph59cYTd-zaAmKjQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<5A9ADA25-9744-4307-A0AF-E45082652975@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <CAFA9ujsW-cjKe9wLPdFx=nTGEJrjv0DrXcY-CKFVCL770E+Xeg@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Wayne. I bought the heat sink for the KX3 and found it wasn't needed
for the way I operate. Seems the same for the KX2. Normal conditions don't
require additional heatsinking. Extreme conditions might.

73,
Kev K4VD

On Sun, May 14, 2017 at 12:55 PM, Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com> wrote:

> Hi Kevin,
>
> We have shipped many thousands of KX2s, and in all that time I have seen
> only a few comments asking about additional heat sinking.
>
> The KX2?s thick right side panel is thermally integrated with both the top
> and bottom cover. This results in heat sinking that is entirely adequate
> in all modes at full power, even from a 14 volt external supply. When
> running from internal battery (11 V), heat dissipation is further reduced
> for a given power level.
>
> To put a rough number on this: I just ran my KX2 at 10 watts key-down in
> CW mode, into a dummy load, while watching the PA temperature (using the
> DISP switch function). It took well over 7 minutes for the temperature to
> reach the limit (63 C), at which point power was reduced automatically to 5
> watts. If you persisted in operating key-down, the radio would eventually
> exit transmit mode. Starting temperature was 25 C (shack ambient).
>
> Additional heat sinking might be desirable if you?re going well beyond
> ?typical? operation: e.g., trying to run full power key-down for many
> minutes at a time, repeatedly, in a hot car or in direct sunlight. In that
> case, you have other options besides using supplemental heat sinking:
> reduce power, run from a lower supply voltage (like the internal battery),
> move into the shade, roll down the car windows, etc.
>
> But for the overwhelming majority of our customers, the KX2?s thermal
> design is completely up to the task. Note that the heat sinking is
> intentionally designed to heat up the right end of the enclosure, so that
> when using the rig like an HT (holding the non-antenna end), you?ll barely
> feel any increase in warmth.
>
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR
>
>
>
> > Kevin - K4VD wrote:
> >
> > From a recent post:
> >
> > "We have been told by people running the rig in digital modes at 10W the
> > unit will thermal down after a few transmit cycles"
> >
> > I understand the KX3 also had an early issue with heatsinks that was
> > corrected in time by the company making the aftermarket heatsink
> > unnecessary I think? I wonder if Elecraft has acknowledged the issue and
> is
> > correcting it for the KX2 also?
>
>
>
>
>
>

From z_kevino at hotmail.com  Sun May 14 16:31:06 2017
From: z_kevino at hotmail.com (kevino z)
Date: Sun, 14 May 2017 20:31:06 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 Heatsink [which is entirely sufficient
 for	typical operation]
In-Reply-To: <CAFA9ujsW-cjKe9wLPdFx=nTGEJrjv0DrXcY-CKFVCL770E+Xeg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFA9ujvNk24h=4jntMDmy62dfuM0v-DT++ph59cYTd-zaAmKjQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<5A9ADA25-9744-4307-A0AF-E45082652975@elecraft.com>,
	<CAFA9ujsW-cjKe9wLPdFx=nTGEJrjv0DrXcY-CKFVCL770E+Xeg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <MWHPR15MB1166CD089A68A2B4994D3ECDFAE00@MWHPR15MB1166.namprd15.prod.outlook.com>

I like the way the way the VE7FMN heat sink I bought for my KX3 looks. Now that the PAs are on the side of the KX2, I just don't feel the same about the appearance of the heat sinks I've seen for it. Kind of look lopsided.

-Kevin (KK4YEL)

-----
The problem with the world is that the intelligent people are full of doubts, while the stupid ones are full of confidence.

On May 14, 2017, at 16:02, Kevin - K4VD <kevin at k4vd.net<mailto:kevin at k4vd.net>> wrote:

Thanks Wayne. I bought the heat sink for the KX3 and found it wasn't needed
for the way I operate. Seems the same for the KX2. Normal conditions don't
require additional heatsinking. Extreme conditions might.

73,
Kev K4VD

On Sun, May 14, 2017 at 12:55 PM, Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com<mailto:n6kr at elecraft.com>> wrote:

Hi Kevin,

We have shipped many thousands of KX2s, and in all that time I have seen
only a few comments asking about additional heat sinking.

The KX2?s thick right side panel is thermally integrated with both the top
and bottom cover. This results in heat sinking that is entirely adequate
in all modes at full power, even from a 14 volt external supply. When
running from internal battery (11 V), heat dissipation is further reduced
for a given power level.

To put a rough number on this: I just ran my KX2 at 10 watts key-down in
CW mode, into a dummy load, while watching the PA temperature (using the
DISP switch function). It took well over 7 minutes for the temperature to
reach the limit (63 C), at which point power was reduced automatically to 5
watts. If you persisted in operating key-down, the radio would eventually
exit transmit mode. Starting temperature was 25 C (shack ambient).

Additional heat sinking might be desirable if you?re going well beyond
?typical? operation: e.g., trying to run full power key-down for many
minutes at a time, repeatedly, in a hot car or in direct sunlight. In that
case, you have other options besides using supplemental heat sinking:
reduce power, run from a lower supply voltage (like the internal battery),
move into the shade, roll down the car windows, etc.

But for the overwhelming majority of our customers, the KX2?s thermal
design is completely up to the task. Note that the heat sinking is
intentionally designed to heat up the right end of the enclosure, so that
when using the rig like an HT (holding the non-antenna end), you?ll barely
feel any increase in warmth.

73,
Wayne
N6KR



Kevin - K4VD wrote:

From a recent post:

"We have been told by people running the rig in digital modes at 10W the
unit will thermal down after a few transmit cycles"

I understand the KX3 also had an early issue with heatsinks that was
corrected in time by the company making the aftermarket heatsink
unnecessary I think? I wonder if Elecraft has acknowledged the issue and
is
correcting it for the KX2 also?






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From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Sun May 14 16:50:54 2017
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sun, 14 May 2017 16:50:54 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Ideal input voltage for TX on KXPA100?
In-Reply-To: <CAGxZ45q=dghRJ7hYtNdBsGmCjjJj0aB+ubVsVOjRERefvuj7TQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGxZ45qYUEcuTvcVrPwNGMgUehzi4uwHK9os_wkUm4VZroKLsg@mail.gmail.com>
	<2ff16382-7906-4c41-ae89-07c908a6b74f@embarqmail.com>
	<CAGxZ45q=dghRJ7hYtNdBsGmCjjJj0aB+ubVsVOjRERefvuj7TQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2f3ed6cb-511a-9b43-437f-cfb252f0260d@embarqmail.com>

David,

Be careful about checking for 13.8 under load because you don't yet know 
how much voltage drop you have in the power cable.
Check the difference between load and idle at whatever voltage you have 
right now.
You MUST keep the maximum supply voltage to less than 15 volts.

What I am saying is that if you have significant voltage drop in the 
power cable, then setting the voltage under load to 13.8 *may* result in 
greater than 15 volts no load.

If you have significant voltage drop in the power supply to KXPA100 
power routing, fix that first.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 5/14/2017 3:42 PM, David Orman wrote:
>
> Hi Don,
>
> Thank you for the reply. Is there an ideal voltage under TX/ load? 
> 13.8V under load is easy, so is 14.5+. If there's advantage to running 
> higher voltages, I can, but if there is no advantage I'll just target 
> 13.8 under load and call it a day and not worry about dropping voltage 
> for other components.
>
>


From n6kr at elecraft.com  Sun May 14 17:10:53 2017
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Sun, 14 May 2017 14:10:53 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Fixed bug in K3 macro handling;
 also fixes "lost K-Pod switch event" syndrome
In-Reply-To: <ED71CB7D-1966-4475-B157-5C85B5D179AA@elecraft.com>
References: <ED71CB7D-1966-4475-B157-5C85B5D179AA@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <5274A450-7F7D-41D9-8681-91186922B268@elecraft.com>

This also applies to the K3S.

Wayne


> On May 14, 2017, at 12:53 PM, Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> If you use a K-Pod, or K3 macros in general, you may have occasionally noticed that a macro?s name was flashed on VFO B but the macro itself didn?t get executed. This would only happen if you also had an external application such as LP-Bridge or HRD polling the radio continuously. 
> 
> The K-Pod is affected because it uses K3 macros to define its switch tap/hold behavior.
> 
> I found the source of the problem and will have a new field-test firmware release by tomorrow. If you have time to test it, please email me directly.
> 
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR
> 
> 


From turnbull at net1.ie  Sun May 14 17:16:18 2017
From: turnbull at net1.ie (Doug Turnbull)
Date: Sun, 14 May 2017 21:16:18 -0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Fixed bug in K3 macro handling;
	also fixes "lost K-Pod switch event" syndrome
In-Reply-To: <ED71CB7D-1966-4475-B157-5C85B5D179AA@elecraft.com>
References: <ED71CB7D-1966-4475-B157-5C85B5D179AA@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <C4675E7B08A74A25AB4D4133488E4CFC@DougTPC>

There are many reasons I like Elecraft and this is one of the major ones.
Thank you.   I am still amazed to have a K-Pod at all.

Tonight though I am on the KX2 with 5W into 4 el SteppIR at 24M - sort of
cheating at QRP but I want to exercise the Elecraft CW paddle.

Elecraft is a class operation.

                 73 Doug EI2CN

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Wayne
Burdick
Sent: 14 May 2017 19:53
To: Elecraft Reflector
Subject: [Elecraft] Fixed bug in K3 macro handling; also fixes "lost K-Pod
switch event" syndrome

Hi all,

If you use a K-Pod, or K3 macros in general, you may have occasionally
noticed that a macro's name was flashed on VFO B but the macro itself didn't
get executed. This would only happen if you also had an external application
such as LP-Bridge or HRD polling the radio continuously. 

The K-Pod is affected because it uses K3 macros to define its switch
tap/hold behavior.

I found the source of the problem and will have a new field-test firmware
release by tomorrow. If you have time to test it, please email me directly.

73,
Wayne
N6KR


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From hhoyt at mebtel.net  Sun May 14 17:18:08 2017
From: hhoyt at mebtel.net (Howard Hoyt)
Date: Sun, 14 May 2017 17:18:08 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft]  KX2 Heatsink
In-Reply-To: <mailman.38222.1494792060.7384.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
References: <mailman.38222.1494792060.7384.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID: <f9e515f0-4640-1bdd-2357-281d9697dbfd@mebtel.net>

Hi Kev,

The issue is related to the fact that Elecraft, as do virtually all 
amateur radio manufacturers rate power output with 50% duty cycle SSB/CW 
modes only.  As is stated in the KX3 specifications and here copied from 
the KX2 manual:

/"80-17 meters, 10 W PEP max (+/- 1 dB); 12 and 10 meters, 8 W PEP max 
(+/- 1 dB).//
//Recommended transmit duty cycle: 50%, all modes. (If power amplifier 
temperature or//
//current drain is too high, power will automatically be reduced.)//
//NOTE: When using over 5 W in SSB, DATA-A and AFSK-A modes, the//
//recommended supply voltage is 12 V or higher to minimize transmit 
intermodulation//
//products. Higher power with lower voltages should be used only when 
necessary."/

I believe many or most of the requests we have had to make an 
aftermarket heatsink have come from hams using these rigs in digital 
modes such as JT and desire full-power operation, which Elecraft does 
not explicitly endorse, but which is possible with additional cooling.  
Elecraft designs and specifies operation of their rigs very 
conservatively compared to many other manufacturers, and the KX2 and KX3 
specifications are spot on.
Also as is stated in the specification, the KX2 internal battery, at 
10-11V depending on state of charge is considered adequate for 5W or 
less, and we have supplied many Kx33 14V supplies to KX2 owners who want 
to use the rig at 10W power when AC power is available.

I conclude many of these KX2 rigs are being used in digital modes from 
fixed location AC power, not from batteries.  I can't blame the hams who 
do this, the KX2 is a fantastically full-featured rig for fixed 
operation, I have used it at home to check into local 10M SSB nets 
driving a KPA500 and no one was the wiser compared to my K3.

Cheers,
Howie - WA4PSC


On 5/14/2017 4:01 PM, elecraft-request at mailman.qth.net wrote:

>>It seems odd to me that an issue like this would go unmentioned
>> and unaddressed by Elecraft.
>>
>>73,
>>Kev K4VD


From josh at voodoolab.com  Sun May 14 18:24:44 2017
From: josh at voodoolab.com (Josh Fiden)
Date: Sun, 14 May 2017 15:24:44 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 Heatsink
In-Reply-To: <f9e515f0-4640-1bdd-2357-281d9697dbfd@mebtel.net>
References: <mailman.38222.1494792060.7384.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
	<f9e515f0-4640-1bdd-2357-281d9697dbfd@mebtel.net>
Message-ID: <b3deb45e-8a64-b721-790c-ca834358d6bd@voodoolab.com>

Sorry if this is argumentative, but your post seems to be in conflict 
with Wayne's post earlier today.

Wayne: "...heat sinking that is entirely adequate  in all modes at full 
power, even from a 14 volt external supply."

The manual also says "all modes" which I don't see why that would 
exclude JT65. JT65 is *not* 100% duty cycle. It transmits about 50 
seconds out of the 1 minute interval, then receives for 1 minute. Sounds 
to me like slightly less than 50%.

Wayne's results were 7 mins key down until reduced power at 25c ambient. 
Running JT conditions of 1 min xmit and 1 min receive, how long does it 
take to reduce power, if ever? How much is this performance reduced at 
30 or 35c? Without this data I don't see how we evaluate whether an 
additional heat sink is required.

Thanks & 73,
Josh W6XU

On 5/14/2017 2:18 PM, Howard Hoyt wrote:
> Hi Kev,
>
> The issue is related to the fact that Elecraft, as do virtually all 
> amateur radio manufacturers rate power output with 50% duty cycle 
> SSB/CW modes only.  As is stated in the KX3 specifications and here 
> copied from the KX2 manual:
>
> /"80-17 meters, 10 W PEP max (+/- 1 dB); 12 and 10 meters, 8 W PEP max 
> (+/- 1 dB).//
> //Recommended transmit duty cycle: 50%, all modes. (If power amplifier 
> temperature or//
> //current drain is too high, power will automatically be reduced.)//
> //NOTE: When using over 5 W in SSB, DATA-A and AFSK-A modes, the//
> //recommended supply voltage is 12 V or higher to minimize transmit 
> intermodulation//
> //products. Higher power with lower voltages should be used only when 
> necessary."/
>
> I believe many or most of the requests we have had to make an 
> aftermarket heatsink have come from hams using these rigs in digital 
> modes such as JT and desire full-power operation, which Elecraft does 
> not explicitly endorse, but which is possible with additional 
> cooling.  Elecraft designs and specifies operation of their rigs very 
> conservatively compared to many other manufacturers, and the KX2 and 
> KX3 specifications are spot on.
> Also as is stated in the specification, the KX2 internal battery, at 
> 10-11V depending on state of charge is considered adequate for 5W or 
> less, and we have supplied many Kx33 14V supplies to KX2 owners who 
> want to use the rig at 10W power when AC power is available.
>
> I conclude many of these KX2 rigs are being used in digital modes from 
> fixed location AC power, not from batteries.  I can't blame the hams 
> who do this, the KX2 is a fantastically full-featured rig for fixed 
> operation, I have used it at home to check into local 10M SSB nets 
> driving a KPA500 and no one was the wiser compared to my K3.
>
> Cheers,
> Howie - WA4PSC


From ormandj at corenode.com  Sun May 14 18:42:22 2017
From: ormandj at corenode.com (David Orman)
Date: Sun, 14 May 2017 17:42:22 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Ideal input voltage for TX on KXPA100?
In-Reply-To: <2f3ed6cb-511a-9b43-437f-cfb252f0260d@embarqmail.com>
References: <CAGxZ45qYUEcuTvcVrPwNGMgUehzi4uwHK9os_wkUm4VZroKLsg@mail.gmail.com>
	<2ff16382-7906-4c41-ae89-07c908a6b74f@embarqmail.com>
	<CAGxZ45q=dghRJ7hYtNdBsGmCjjJj0aB+ubVsVOjRERefvuj7TQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<2f3ed6cb-511a-9b43-437f-cfb252f0260d@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGxZ45pqS3VnbnJc_UkR-FyTHdVExhFY1NRN3Jo_OuqjZvquZQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Don,

I'm making sure not to exceed idle voltages like this. If I set the power
supply to 14.2V no load, it's 13.8V under load (100W out tune on 80M). I
use 10 gauge cable, so I have relatively small voltage drop even with the
distribution block and fuses involved. I'm just trying to find out what the
optimal voltage under load is for TX cleanliness. Is that 13.8V? Is higher
voltage than this better? I appreciate the input; I'm truly just trying to
find out what 'ideal' looks like under load.

David

On Sun, May 14, 2017 at 3:50 PM, Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com> wrote:

> David,
>
> Be careful about checking for 13.8 under load because you don't yet know
> how much voltage drop you have in the power cable.
> Check the difference between load and idle at whatever voltage you have
> right now.
> You MUST keep the maximum supply voltage to less than 15 volts.
>
> What I am saying is that if you have significant voltage drop in the power
> cable, then setting the voltage under load to 13.8 *may* result in greater
> than 15 volts no load.
>
> If you have significant voltage drop in the power supply to KXPA100 power
> routing, fix that first.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
>
> On 5/14/2017 3:42 PM, David Orman wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi Don,
>>
>> Thank you for the reply. Is there an ideal voltage under TX/ load? 13.8V
>> under load is easy, so is 14.5+. If there's advantage to running higher
>> voltages, I can, but if there is no advantage I'll just target 13.8 under
>> load and call it a day and not worry about dropping voltage for other
>> components.
>>
>>
>>
>

From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Sun May 14 18:57:49 2017
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sun, 14 May 2017 18:57:49 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Ideal input voltage for TX on KXPA100?
In-Reply-To: <CAGxZ45pqS3VnbnJc_UkR-FyTHdVExhFY1NRN3Jo_OuqjZvquZQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGxZ45qYUEcuTvcVrPwNGMgUehzi4uwHK9os_wkUm4VZroKLsg@mail.gmail.com>
	<2ff16382-7906-4c41-ae89-07c908a6b74f@embarqmail.com>
	<CAGxZ45q=dghRJ7hYtNdBsGmCjjJj0aB+ubVsVOjRERefvuj7TQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<2f3ed6cb-511a-9b43-437f-cfb252f0260d@embarqmail.com>
	<CAGxZ45pqS3VnbnJc_UkR-FyTHdVExhFY1NRN3Jo_OuqjZvquZQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f3b6f258-4caa-2f36-a8ec-053161571739@embarqmail.com>

David,

There is no specific voltage, except that "higher is better".

A fused distribution block will add 6 connector junctions and you can 
expect .001 ohms from each one.
At 15 amps draw, that alone contributes about 0.1 volt drop.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 5/14/2017 6:42 PM, David Orman wrote:
> Hi Don,
>
> I'm making sure not to exceed idle voltages like this. If I set the 
> power supply to 14.2V no load, it's 13.8V under load (100W out tune on 
> 80M). I use 10 gauge cable, so I have relatively small voltage drop 
> even with the distribution block and fuses involved. I'm just trying 
> to find out what the optimal voltage under load is for TX cleanliness. 
> Is that 13.8V? Is higher voltage than this better? I appreciate the 
> input; I'm truly just trying to find out what 'ideal' looks like under 
> load.
>


From vr2xmc at yahoo.com.hk  Sun May 14 20:58:54 2017
From: vr2xmc at yahoo.com.hk (Johnny Siu)
Date: Mon, 15 May 2017 00:58:54 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 Heatsink
In-Reply-To: <f9e515f0-4640-1bdd-2357-281d9697dbfd@mebtel.net>
References: <mailman.38222.1494792060.7384.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
	<f9e515f0-4640-1bdd-2357-281d9697dbfd@mebtel.net>
Message-ID: <110891836.1057045.1494809934951@mail.yahoo.com>

The original request for aftermarket heat link was from earlier production of KX3. ?My KX3 was an early production. ?I plainly put up heat sink issue in this mailing list that the early KX3 only has thin piece of metal as heat sink which simply did not meet the specifications published by Elecraft.
Eventually, Elecraft did respond and now newer production comes with KX3HSMDKT

I believe Elecraft learnt this lesson and the heat sink in KX2 will meet the published operating specifications. ?For pro-long full duty cycle digital operation at 10W, KX2 is simply not designed for that usage hence the stock heat sink.
Heat sink problem also exists in the Elecraft transverters, while the max output is 20W, it cannot sustain 10W FM causal operation (i.e. too hot)
73
Johnny VR2XMC      ???? Howard Hoyt <hhoyt at mebtel.net>
 ???? elecraft at mailman.qth.net; elecraft-request at mailman.qth.net 
 ????? 2017?05?15? (??) 5:19 AM
 ??? [Elecraft] KX2 Heatsink
   
Hi Kev,

The issue is related to the fact that Elecraft, as do virtually all 
amateur radio manufacturers rate power output with 50% duty cycle SSB/CW 
modes only.? As is stated in the KX3 specifications and here copied from 
the KX2 manual:

/"80-17 meters, 10 W PEP max (+/- 1 dB); 12 and 10 meters, 8 W PEP max 
(+/- 1 dB).//
//Recommended transmit duty cycle: 50%, all modes. (If power amplifier 
temperature or//
//current drain is too high, power will automatically be reduced.)//
//NOTE: When using over 5 W in SSB, DATA-A and AFSK-A modes, the//
//recommended supply voltage is 12 V or higher to minimize transmit 
intermodulation//
//products. Higher power with lower voltages should be used only when 
necessary."/

I believe many or most of the requests we have had to make an 
aftermarket heatsink have come from hams using these rigs in digital 
modes such as JT and desire full-power operation, which Elecraft does 
not explicitly endorse, but which is possible with additional cooling.? 
Elecraft designs and specifies operation of their rigs very 
conservatively compared to many other manufacturers, and the KX2 and KX3 
specifications are spot on.
Also as is stated in the specification, the KX2 internal battery, at 
10-11V depending on state of charge is considered adequate for 5W or 
less, and we have supplied many Kx33 14V supplies to KX2 owners who want 
to use the rig at 10W power when AC power is available.

I conclude many of these KX2 rigs are being used in digital modes from 
fixed location AC power, not from batteries.? I can't blame the hams who 
do this, the KX2 is a fantastically full-featured rig for fixed 
operation, I have used it at home to check into local 10M SSB nets 
driving a KPA500 and no one was the wiser compared to my K3.

Cheers,
Howie - WA4PSC


On 5/14/2017 4:01 PM, elecraft-request at mailman.qth.net wrote:

>>It seems odd to me that an issue like this would go unmentioned
>> and unaddressed by Elecraft.
>>
>>73,
>>Kev K4VD

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From rick at tavan.com  Mon May 15 01:04:52 2017
From: rick at tavan.com (Rick Tavan)
Date: Sun, 14 May 2017 22:04:52 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] [KX2] Using the new 4 PF keys
Message-ID: <CANVONALvZZdhqsRUni=VGPgvh3icqK8EdnXJX4tW7ec89j8BQg@mail.gmail.com>

The KX2 is a superb example of user interface compression, providing much
of the functionality of KX3 (and even K3) in a tiny box. But there are a
few things relegated to menus that I tend to do often. The KX2 firmware
upgrade to allow four PF keys instead of just one came a few days before my
KX2 and I am very grateful for it. So far I've just been testing my KX2 in
the home shack, so what I do with the keys may change when I get out in the
field. Here is how I'm allocating the four keys so far:

1 - ATU ON/OFF
2 - VOX ON/OFF (= TEST function of K3)
3 - DUAL RX ("SUB") ON/OFF
4 - RF GAIN ADJ (probably unnecessary in the field with lousy antennas)
      In the field I would probably change PF4 to BKLIGHT ON/OFF.

Any better ideas?

73,

/Rick N6XI

-- 

Rick Tavan
Truckee, CA

From hhoyt at mebtel.net  Mon May 15 01:12:57 2017
From: hhoyt at mebtel.net (Howard Hoyt)
Date: Mon, 15 May 2017 01:12:57 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Xenia/Dayton
In-Reply-To: <bd55b812-52ec-4ef8-5725-0c059790211a@mebtel.net>
References: <4602AF9F-A71B-4369-B067-7D04D82D64A9@elecraft.com>
	<23dc1b41-6a6a-6ad3-e754-b0e252cc96fe@mebtel.net>
	<bd55b812-52ec-4ef8-5725-0c059790211a@mebtel.net>
Message-ID: <694e0808-986b-c78e-f4e3-666aace973ed@mebtel.net>

Thanks to a sharp eyed partner, I have to modify a previous statement 
regarding free shipping, here is the revised statement

1) We will be offering free shipping from May 15th until May 31 for all 
USA orders over $20 except ferrite-only orders.  It's not as exciting as 
picking your stuff up at the Hamvention, and meeting Wayne, Eric and the 
Elecraft crew as well as me and my daughter Sarah KM4WHL, but its the 
next best thing!  Due to inflexible PayPal shipping procedures, we will 
omit any shipping charges on the initial order, and then for the 
ferrite-only orders separately invoice for shipping cost before 
shipping.  In most cases ferrite shipping will be $7.00 or for the 
larger items $14.00.

We apologize for any problems this may cause, but I think you will agree 
it is not a good idea to spend $3.00 to ship an item we only make $2.00 
on (unless you make up for it in volume ;-))...and ferrites are so dang 
heavy and brittle you just can't ship them cheaply!  Sorry to take up 
more bandwidth due to my oversight...

Cheers & 73,
Howie - WA4PSC


On 5/14/2017 2:58 PM, Howard Hoyt wrote:
> *For those of you who cannot attend the Dayton/Xenia Hamvention we 
> have a few announcements:
>
> 1)  We will be offering free shipping from May 15th until May 31 for 
> all USA orders except ferrite-only orders.  It's not as exciting as 
> picking your stuff up at the Hamvention and meeting the dynamic Wayne, 
> Eric and the rest of the Elecraft crew as well as me and my daughter 
> Sarah KM4WHL, but its the next best thing!
>
> 2)  We are showing 2 new products and taking pre-orders (no payment): 
> the Kx32fan accessory and Kx21 3-cell DC Charger.  If you cannot make 
> the show, please send an email to: info at proaudioeng.com and let us 
> know you want to be on the list, and we'll save your place in the 
> initial orders.  Those of you who have already emailed us about these 
> products are already in the queue.
>
> To those who will be at Xenia, travel safely, and we are looking 
> forward to meeting you!
>
> Cheers & 73,
>
> Howie - WA4PSC
> www.proaudioeng.com*


From Gunfighter26 at yahoo.com  Mon May 15 06:49:18 2017
From: Gunfighter26 at yahoo.com (Brad J. Butler)
Date: Mon, 15 May 2017 03:49:18 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Taking KX3 on Airlines -Any issues/hassles with
	TSA/etc here days - with Bio-Engg 12V 7Ah Lithium Battery as
	Carry On Luggage
In-Reply-To: <15c07a4a7f2-5bc9-4340@webprd-a50.mail.aol.com>
References: <15c07a4a7f2-5bc9-4340@webprd-a50.mail.aol.com>
Message-ID: <01b501d2cd68$e92366f0$bb6a34d0$@yahoo.com>

Mike,

I've flown with the Bioenno Power 12Ah LiFePO4 batteries several times,
carrying two at a time in my carry-on baggage.  I've flown mostly in and out
of Japan (Narita and Naha, Okinawa) with them.  I usually end up having to
pull the batteries out so that I can show them that they're under the
appropriate limit.  Once I've done that, it has been smooth sailing from
there.  My main fear is that screeners won't know what the exact limit is.
While I've never gone this far, you could try printing out the regulations
for your particular airline or country and carrying them with you as a
reference to show screeners if they have questions.

https://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/headquarters_offices/ash/ash_programs/h
azmat/passenger_info/media/Airline_passengers_and_batteries.pdf

I've heard some countries, like Hong Kong, might want to charge you an
import tax for whatever radio gear you're bringing in.  And then an export
tax when you leave.  (Which is why I never paid for the Hong Kong license
when I visited there!)  You might want to ask this question if you're
applying for a reciprocal license in a foreign country.

Hope this helps, and happy travels.

73!

-Brad Butler
W6BJB/JS6TQS

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of
Michael Aust
Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2017 8:48 AM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] Taking KX3 on Airlines -Any issues/hassles with TSA/etc
here days - with Bio-Engg 12V 7Ah Lithium Battery as Carry On Luggage

Taking KX3 on Airlines -Any issues/hassles with TSA/etc  here days - with
Bio-Engg 12V 7Ah Lithium Battery as Carry On Luggage 


USA to Hawaii


USA oversea's 


Any recent traveler's experience with Airport screeners ?


etc


Mike
WB6DJi



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From nz8j at woh.rr.com  Mon May 15 07:31:50 2017
From: nz8j at woh.rr.com (Tim Cook)
Date: Mon, 15 May 2017 07:31:50 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Looking for a 2m/440 W2 Coupler
Message-ID: <000001d2cd6e$d8336830$889a3890$@woh.rr.com>

If you have one for sale please let  me know the details including price
shipped zip 45324, (near Dayton, Ohio)

Thanks

Tim

NZ8J


From va3mw at portcredit.net  Mon May 15 08:16:38 2017
From: va3mw at portcredit.net (Mike va3mw)
Date: Mon, 15 May 2017 08:16:38 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Taking KX3 on Airlines -Any issues/hassles with
	TSA/etc here days - with Bio-Engg 12V 7Ah Lithium Battery as
	Carry On Luggage
In-Reply-To: <01b501d2cd68$e92366f0$bb6a34d0$@yahoo.com>
References: <15c07a4a7f2-5bc9-4340@webprd-a50.mail.aol.com>
	<01b501d2cd68$e92366f0$bb6a34d0$@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <78BE1F50-7A28-4460-92B0-5984C15B915C@portcredit.net>

I've carried my FT897 on many airplanes with zero issues. I just carry it be the handle. 

I doubt you'll have any issues with your KX3.   Just pull the batteries. 

Mike va3mw

> On May 15, 2017, at 6:49 AM, Brad J. Butler via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
> 
> Mike,
> 
> I've flown with the Bioenno Power 12Ah LiFePO4 batteries several times,
> carrying two at a time in my carry-on baggage.  I've flown mostly in and out
> of Japan (Narita and Naha, Okinawa) with them.  I usually end up having to
> pull the batteries out so that I can show them that they're under the
> appropriate limit.  Once I've done that, it has been smooth sailing from
> there.  My main fear is that screeners won't know what the exact limit is.
> While I've never gone this far, you could try printing out the regulations
> for your particular airline or country and carrying them with you as a
> reference to show screeners if they have questions.
> 
> https://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/headquarters_offices/ash/ash_programs/h
> azmat/passenger_info/media/Airline_passengers_and_batteries.pdf
> 
> I've heard some countries, like Hong Kong, might want to charge you an
> import tax for whatever radio gear you're bringing in.  And then an export
> tax when you leave.  (Which is why I never paid for the Hong Kong license
> when I visited there!)  You might want to ask this question if you're
> applying for a reciprocal license in a foreign country.
> 
> Hope this helps, and happy travels.
> 
> 73!
> 
> -Brad Butler
> W6BJB/JS6TQS
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of
> Michael Aust
> Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2017 8:48 AM
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [Elecraft] Taking KX3 on Airlines -Any issues/hassles with TSA/etc
> here days - with Bio-Engg 12V 7Ah Lithium Battery as Carry On Luggage
> 
> Taking KX3 on Airlines -Any issues/hassles with TSA/etc  here days - with
> Bio-Engg 12V 7Ah Lithium Battery as Carry On Luggage 
> 
> 
> USA to Hawaii
> 
> 
> USA oversea's 
> 
> 
> Any recent traveler's experience with Airport screeners ?
> 
> 
> etc
> 
> 
> Mike
> WB6DJi
> 
> 
> 
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From ka5y at yahoo.com  Mon May 15 08:51:36 2017
From: ka5y at yahoo.com (pkhjr)
Date: Mon, 15 May 2017 05:51:36 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 Heatsink
In-Reply-To: <f9e515f0-4640-1bdd-2357-281d9697dbfd@mebtel.net>
References: <f9e515f0-4640-1bdd-2357-281d9697dbfd@mebtel.net>
Message-ID: <1494852696340-7630636.post@n2.nabble.com>

For those of you who don't Howard Hoyt  aka Howie - WA4PSC is the moderator
for the KX3/KX2 Yahoo group and is the owner of Pro Audio Engineering which
markets products for Elecraft KX products. 

Several years ago when heatsinks for the KX3 were just becoming an item I
made the greviouis mistake of commenting on the KX3 Yahoo group that I had
bought a heatsink from a guy in 8 land and it was good quality and about a
third of the price.  I was immediately banned from the Yahoo group by Howie. 
There were many other people banned for mentioning anything that competed
with Pro Audio.

Emails to Howie with my mea culpas were never answered.  

If Eric and Wayne ran this forum as you run the Yahoo KX3 Group you would
have been banned a long time ago.  I apologize for the rant but I feel
better....LOL

Tex
ka5y



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From ldz at chopcat.co.uk  Mon May 15 09:20:26 2017
From: ldz at chopcat.co.uk (Trevor Clapp)
Date: Mon, 15 May 2017 14:20:26 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S CW Delay on KEY OUT ?
Message-ID: <BCA5E59D-0FEF-420F-AC43-A0D24A6DAB1A@chopcat.co.uk>

When I am using the K3S with an external transverter which uses the key out line to change from RX to TX i am finding that with a paddle input from my Winkeyer I cannot get the transverter to remain keyed. Adjusting the CW delay does not increase the time btween keying and the relay in the transverter clicking out.  So basically I get the relay clicking on every keyed letter.

I have dried full and semi break in with no difference.

I do not have the same situation on the KX3 , but then I am not using an external transverter, and wondered if there was another setting somewhere that I should be looking at.

2E?LDZ
Trevor Clapp
M. 07900 49 77 11




From k2vco.vic at gmail.com  Mon May 15 09:58:13 2017
From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP)
Date: Mon, 15 May 2017 16:58:13 +0300
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S CW Delay on KEY OUT ?
In-Reply-To: <BCA5E59D-0FEF-420F-AC43-A0D24A6DAB1A@chopcat.co.uk>
References: <BCA5E59D-0FEF-420F-AC43-A0D24A6DAB1A@chopcat.co.uk>
Message-ID: <cffd97a6-a1ce-c714-8939-8343bc250b62@gmail.com>

Make sure VOX is turned ON on the K3S.

73,
Victor, 4X6GP
Rehovot, Israel
Formerly K2VCO
http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/

On 15 May 2017 16:20, Trevor Clapp wrote:
> When I am using the K3S with an external transverter which uses the
> key out line to change from RX to TX i am finding that with a paddle
> input from my Winkeyer I cannot get the transverter to remain keyed.
> Adjusting the CW delay does not increase the time btween keying and
> the relay in the transverter clicking out.  So basically I get the
> relay clicking on every keyed letter.
>
> I have dried full and semi break in with no difference.
>
> I do not have the same situation on the KX3 , but then I am not using
> an external transverter, and wondered if there was another setting
> somewhere that I should be looking at.
>
> 2E?LDZ Trevor Clapp M. 07900 49 77 11

From k2vco.vic at gmail.com  Mon May 15 10:00:36 2017
From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP)
Date: Mon, 15 May 2017 17:00:36 +0300
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S CW Delay on KEY OUT ?
In-Reply-To: <cffd97a6-a1ce-c714-8939-8343bc250b62@gmail.com>
References: <BCA5E59D-0FEF-420F-AC43-A0D24A6DAB1A@chopcat.co.uk>
	<cffd97a6-a1ce-c714-8939-8343bc250b62@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8ba162f7-bd84-f376-a084-a4301cb0286c@gmail.com>

I forgot to add: and make sure the KEY OUT line is connected to the 
transverter, and the transverter is configured to use it. It seems like 
the transverter is sensing RF rather than using the K3S Key Out line.


73,
Victor, 4X6GP
Rehovot, Israel
Formerly K2VCO
http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/

On 15 May 2017 16:58, Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP wrote:
> Make sure VOX is turned ON on the K3S.
>
> 73,
> Victor, 4X6GP
> Rehovot, Israel
> Formerly K2VCO
> http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/
>
> On 15 May 2017 16:20, Trevor Clapp wrote:
>> When I am using the K3S with an external transverter which uses the
>> key out line to change from RX to TX i am finding that with a paddle
>> input from my Winkeyer I cannot get the transverter to remain keyed.
>> Adjusting the CW delay does not increase the time btween keying and
>> the relay in the transverter clicking out.  So basically I get the
>> relay clicking on every keyed letter.
>>
>> I have dried full and semi break in with no difference.
>>
>> I do not have the same situation on the KX3 , but then I am not using
>> an external transverter, and wondered if there was another setting
>> somewhere that I should be looking at.
>>
>> 2E?LDZ Trevor Clapp M. 07900 49 77 11

From N7RJN at nobis.net  Mon May 15 11:07:48 2017
From: N7RJN at nobis.net (Robert Nobis)
Date: Mon, 15 May 2017 08:07:48 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3-PX3 QRP System for Sale
Message-ID: <03C3A737-8D7A-4E51-8FCF-B51BC25CF4B5@nobis.net>

I am no longer able to operate portable, so am selling my factory built Elecraft KX3 and PX3 QRP system. The KX3 was recently calibrated, tested and updated with the latest firmware (MCU 2.76/DSP 1.50) at the Elecraft factory. Used on two field trips to Japan. No smoking environment. The equipment is configured as follows:


KX3-F Factory Assembled KX3 (ser # 7486 )
KXAT3-F Internal 20W ATU
KXBC3-F Internal NiMH charger with Real-time clock
KXFL3-F Dual Passband Roofing Filter
KX3-PCKT Accessory Cable Kit
PAE-KX31 Pro Audio KX3 Heatsink
PAE-KX33 Pro Audio KX3 Power Supply
33-100 KX3-PX3 Power Splitter
Side KX3 KX3 End Panels (Gems Products)

PX3-F Panadapter for KX3 with cables - Factory Assembled (Ser # 1059 )
Side PX3 PX3 End Panels (Gems Products)

SideKar QRP Works SideKar with Power Splitter?


All manuals are included. I am looking for $2,150.00 for the complete system. I will pay for shipping to CONUS only. Payment by PayPal only.

Email me at N7RJN at nobis.net <mailto:N7RJN at nobis.net> for more details.


Robert (Bob) Nobis ? N7RJN

 

From vr2xmc at yahoo.com.hk  Mon May 15 11:12:44 2017
From: vr2xmc at yahoo.com.hk (Johnny Siu)
Date: Mon, 15 May 2017 15:12:44 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft]  KX2 Heatsink
In-Reply-To: <1494852696340-7630636.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <f9e515f0-4640-1bdd-2357-281d9697dbfd@mebtel.net>
	<1494852696340-7630636.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <596537244.1950610.1494861164451@mail.yahoo.com>

Yes, I was also one of those being banned from KX3 yahoo group because I mentioned competitive products. Any way no regret on my part and I will adhere to this official mailing listing.
73
Johnny VR2XMC

      ???? pkhjr via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
 ???? elecraft at mailman.qth.net 
 ????? 2017?05?15? (??) 8:54 PM
 ??? Re: [Elecraft] KX2 Heatsink
   
For those of you who don't Howard Hoyt? aka Howie - WA4PSC is the moderator
for the KX3/KX2 Yahoo group and is the owner of Pro Audio Engineering which
markets products for Elecraft KX products. 

Several years ago when heatsinks for the KX3 were just becoming an item I
made the greviouis mistake of commenting on the KX3 Yahoo group that I had
bought a heatsink from a guy in 8 land and it was good quality and about a
third of the price.? I was immediately banned from the Yahoo group by Howie. 
There were many other people banned for mentioning anything that competed
with Pro Audio.

Emails to Howie with my mea culpas were never answered.? 

If Eric and Wayne ran this forum as you run the Yahoo KX3 Group you would
have been banned a long time ago.? I apologize for the rant but I feel
better....LOL

Tex
ka5y



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From Mundschenk55 at msn.com  Mon May 15 11:39:18 2017
From: Mundschenk55 at msn.com (Russ)
Date: Mon, 15 May 2017 15:39:18 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Hallicrafter HA-1 (TO) Manual/Schematic
Message-ID: <BN6PR15MB1411B992225FAB0BF0134DCCCFE10@BN6PR15MB1411.namprd15.prod.outlook.com>

Folks:

Not exactly Elecraft, but I am restoring the HA-1 tube keyer copy that I built from scratch as a kid in 1970.
The tubes have all lost their markings (and maybe their functionality).
Does anyone have a schematic (or manual)?

Thanks, Russ KD4JO

From dave.w8ov at gmail.com  Mon May 15 11:43:29 2017
From: dave.w8ov at gmail.com (David Koch)
Date: Mon, 15 May 2017 10:43:29 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Hallicrafter HA-1 (TO) Manual/Schematic
In-Reply-To: <BN6PR15MB1411B992225FAB0BF0134DCCCFE10@BN6PR15MB1411.namprd15.prod.outlook.com>
References: <BN6PR15MB1411B992225FAB0BF0134DCCCFE10@BN6PR15MB1411.namprd15.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <3c9b12a2-d85e-8aaa-ad21-065fda17b399@gmail.com>

Russ,

You may want to post that on the CFO list, a CW group started by Jim, 
W9TO (SK), inventor of the TO keyer.  If you are not a member, I am 
willing to post it for you.

73, Dave W8OV



On 2017-05-15 10:39, Russ wrote:
> Folks:
>
> Not exactly Elecraft, but I am restoring the HA-1 tube keyer copy that I built from scratch as a kid in 1970.
> The tubes have all lost their markings (and maybe their functionality).
> Does anyone have a schematic (or manual)?
>
> Thanks, Russ KD4JO
>


From ghyoungman at gmail.com  Mon May 15 11:46:36 2017
From: ghyoungman at gmail.com (GRANT YOUNGMAN)
Date: Mon, 15 May 2017 11:46:36 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Hallicrafter HA-1 (TO) Manual/Schematic
In-Reply-To: <BN6PR15MB1411B992225FAB0BF0134DCCCFE10@BN6PR15MB1411.namprd15.prod.outlook.com>
References: <BN6PR15MB1411B992225FAB0BF0134DCCCFE10@BN6PR15MB1411.namprd15.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <25AFEC74-5DEA-417F-9A8E-4565447A0485@gmail.com>

http://bama.edebris.com/manuals/hallicra/ha1/ <http://bama.edebris.com/manuals/hallicra/ha1/>


> On May 15, 2017, at 11:39 AM, Russ <Mundschenk55 at msn.com> wrote:
> 
> Folks:
> 
> Not exactly Elecraft, but I am restoring the HA-1 tube keyer copy that I built from scratch as a kid in 1970.
> The tubes have all lost their markings (and maybe their functionality).
> Does anyone have a schematic (or manual)?
> 
> Thanks, Russ KD4JO
> ______________________________________________________________
> 


Grant NQ5T
K3 #2091, KX3 #8342




From wunder at wunderwood.org  Mon May 15 11:48:26 2017
From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood)
Date: Mon, 15 May 2017 08:48:26 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Hallicrafter HA-1 (TO) Manual/Schematic
In-Reply-To: <BN6PR15MB1411B992225FAB0BF0134DCCCFE10@BN6PR15MB1411.namprd15.prod.outlook.com>
References: <BN6PR15MB1411B992225FAB0BF0134DCCCFE10@BN6PR15MB1411.namprd15.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <7C40E102-4FD8-458E-97E8-92C7CCE6B9E6@wunderwood.org>

This appears to be the full manual for the HA-1. I searched the web for ?hallicrafters HA-1 schematic".

http://www.dl0bn.de/dc7xj/Anleitungen/Hallicrafter%20HA-1%20Manual.pdf <http://www.dl0bn.de/dc7xj/Anleitungen/Hallicrafter%20HA-1%20Manual.pdf>

This is a scan.

http://www.ae5d.com/pdf/ha1.pdf <http://www.ae5d.com/pdf/ha1.pdf>

wunder
K6WRU
Walter Underwood
CM87wj
http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog)

> On May 15, 2017, at 8:39 AM, Russ <Mundschenk55 at msn.com> wrote:
> 
> Folks:
> 
> Not exactly Elecraft, but I am restoring the HA-1 tube keyer copy that I built from scratch as a kid in 1970.
> The tubes have all lost their markings (and maybe their functionality).
> Does anyone have a schematic (or manual)?
> 
> Thanks, Russ KD4JO
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From mikefurrey at att.net  Mon May 15 12:09:36 2017
From: mikefurrey at att.net (Mike Furrey)
Date: Mon, 15 May 2017 16:09:36 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] Hallicrafter HA-1 (TO) Manual/Schematic
In-Reply-To: <BN6PR15MB1411B992225FAB0BF0134DCCCFE10@BN6PR15MB1411.namprd15.prod.outlook.com>
References: <BN6PR15MB1411B992225FAB0BF0134DCCCFE10@BN6PR15MB1411.namprd15.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <902009394.1374420.1494864576213@mail.yahoo.com>

The 12AT7 sounds familiar in that multivibrator circuit. Was it built from a schematic in an older handbook? I have some from that era in my storage unit. The next time I am there (next week) I can dig one out and look.
73, Mike WA5POK
 

    On Monday, May 15, 2017 10:41 AM, Russ <Mundschenk55 at msn.com> wrote:
 

 Folks:

Not exactly Elecraft, but I am restoring the HA-1 tube keyer copy that I built from scratch as a kid in 1970.
The tubes have all lost their markings (and maybe their functionality).
Does anyone have a schematic (or manual)?

Thanks, Russ KD4JO
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From lmarion at mt.net  Mon May 15 13:11:54 2017
From: lmarion at mt.net (lmarion)
Date: Mon, 15 May 2017 11:11:54 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 Heatsink
In-Reply-To: <596537244.1950610.1494861164451@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <f9e515f0-4640-1bdd-2357-281d9697dbfd@mebtel.net><1494852696340-7630636.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<596537244.1950610.1494861164451@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <5283DC6DE4D441089B100420C87BD264@LeroyPC>

Ha! Same happened to me! No explanation, no response to my emails as to what 
had I done wrong.
Thanks for IDing the problem. Now I know who to never buy from.

Leroy AB7CE

-----Original Message----- 
From: Johnny Siu via Elecraft
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 9:12 AM
To: pkhjr ; elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 Heatsink

Yes, I was also one of those being banned from KX3 yahoo group because I 
mentioned competitive products. Any way no regret on my part and I will 
adhere to this official mailing listing.
73
Johnny VR2XMC

      ???? pkhjr via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
???? elecraft at mailman.qth.net
????? 2017?05?15? (??) 8:54 PM
??? Re: [Elecraft] KX2 Heatsink

For those of you who don't Howard Hoyt  aka Howie - WA4PSC is the moderator
for the KX3/KX2 Yahoo group and is the owner of Pro Audio Engineering which
markets products for Elecraft KX products.

Several years ago when heatsinks for the KX3 were just becoming an item I
made the greviouis mistake of commenting on the KX3 Yahoo group that I had
bought a heatsink from a guy in 8 land and it was good quality and about a
third of the price.  I was immediately banned from the Yahoo group by Howie.
There were many other people banned for mentioning anything that competed
with Pro Audio.

Emails to Howie with my mea culpas were never answered.

If Eric and Wayne ran this forum as you run the Yahoo KX3 Group you would
have been banned a long time ago.  I apologize for the rant but I feel
better....LOL

Tex
ka5y



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From scott.manthe at gmail.com  Mon May 15 13:12:38 2017
From: scott.manthe at gmail.com (Scott Manthe)
Date: Mon, 15 May 2017 13:12:38 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Dayton Dropoff
Message-ID: <36fe93b6-0c92-2a0e-a3e8-11d1c41e889b@gmail.com>

Hello to the list,
I'm getting ready to send my K3 off to Elecraft for some updates. Does 
anyone know if it would be possible for me to drop the radio off to them 
at Dayton, saving $50 shipping? The better question might be has anyone 
actually done this?

73,
Scott N9AA

From g4gnx at g4gnx.com  Mon May 15 13:18:36 2017
From: g4gnx at g4gnx.com (G4GNX)
Date: Mon, 15 May 2017 18:18:36 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] Dayton Dropoff
In-Reply-To: <36fe93b6-0c92-2a0e-a3e8-11d1c41e889b@gmail.com>
References: <36fe93b6-0c92-2a0e-a3e8-11d1c41e889b@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E1D82226A2B04803B7C253C1BB7E6628@G4GNXLaptop>

Almost certainly not.

I wanted them to carry some parts to Dayton for collection, but they can't 
do that. I can't see them doing it in 'reverse' either.

I'm having parts shipped to a friend who will then deliver to another friend 
at Dayton, who will carry them back to the UK.

73,

Alan. G4GNX

-----Original Message----- 
From: Scott Manthe
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 6:12 PM
To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] Dayton Dropoff

Hello to the list,
I'm getting ready to send my K3 off to Elecraft for some updates. Does
anyone know if it would be possible for me to drop the radio off to them
at Dayton, saving $50 shipping? The better question might be has anyone
actually done this?

73,
Scott N9AA


From cautery at montac.com  Mon May 15 13:18:42 2017
From: cautery at montac.com (Clay Autery)
Date: Mon, 15 May 2017 12:18:42 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Dayton Dropoff
In-Reply-To: <36fe93b6-0c92-2a0e-a3e8-11d1c41e889b@gmail.com>
References: <36fe93b6-0c92-2a0e-a3e8-11d1c41e889b@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e20643af-44cd-ea91-540f-efbb900531d5@montac.com>

Please don't do that to them!!!  They have enough to deal with getting
tons of stuff to Ohio and back...

Ship it to them.... If you don't have the right packaging, then call and
ask them to sell you a new set of packing materials...

Thanks!

PS - I need to send my K3s in too, I think...  but I will wait until
AFTER the Hamvention and send it direct.

______________________
Clay Autery, KY5G

On 5/15/2017 12:12 PM, Scott Manthe wrote:
> Hello to the list,
> I'm getting ready to send my K3 off to Elecraft for some updates. Does
> anyone know if it would be possible for me to drop the radio off to
> them at Dayton, saving $50 shipping? The better question might be has
> anyone actually done this?
>
> 73,
> Scott N9AA


From kf0ur at radins.us  Mon May 15 13:21:09 2017
From: kf0ur at radins.us (Shel Radin KF0UR)
Date: Mon, 15 May 2017 10:21:09 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] QRPworks at FDIM & Hamvention
Message-ID: <1494868869993-7630649.post@n2.nabble.com>

Hi all,

Just a quick note to let you know that QRPworks will be at FDIM and
Hamvention later this week.  We'll be in building 1, booth 1611, right
across the aisle from Elecraft and next to Pro Audio Engineering.

We'll be introducing the new SideKar Plus, a cousin of the SideKar but with
a bigger display, and Key Line Pi which is a mounting bracket for attaching
the KXPD2 or KXPD3 paddles to either the KX2 or KX3.  The Key Line Pi allows
the paddle to be swiveled over a 45 degree range left and right to allow the
operator to have a more comfortable keying position.

We're looking forward to the new location.

73,

Shel KF0UR
www.QRPworks.com




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From k2av.guy at gmail.com  Mon May 15 13:21:11 2017
From: k2av.guy at gmail.com (Guy Olinger K2AV)
Date: Mon, 15 May 2017 13:21:11 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Dayton Dropoff
In-Reply-To: <36fe93b6-0c92-2a0e-a3e8-11d1c41e889b@gmail.com>
References: <36fe93b6-0c92-2a0e-a3e8-11d1c41e889b@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CANckpc1n1j7pZtt1Zxb2dFqF=iqFaiwjjyhopcw+5V=MZ4RRNA@mail.gmail.com>

Call em up and ask them directly.

73, Guy K2AV

On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 1:12 PM, Scott Manthe <scott.manthe at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello to the list,
> I'm getting ready to send my K3 off to Elecraft for some updates. Does
> anyone know if it would be possible for me to drop the radio off to them at
> Dayton, saving $50 shipping? The better question might be has anyone
> actually done this?
>
> 73,
> Scott N9AA
> ______________________________________________________________
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From k2av.guy at gmail.com  Mon May 15 13:21:11 2017
From: k2av.guy at gmail.com (Guy Olinger K2AV)
Date: Mon, 15 May 2017 13:21:11 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Dayton Dropoff
In-Reply-To: <36fe93b6-0c92-2a0e-a3e8-11d1c41e889b@gmail.com>
References: <36fe93b6-0c92-2a0e-a3e8-11d1c41e889b@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CANckpc1n1j7pZtt1Zxb2dFqF=iqFaiwjjyhopcw+5V=MZ4RRNA@mail.gmail.com>

Call em up and ask them directly.

73, Guy K2AV

On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 1:12 PM, Scott Manthe <scott.manthe at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello to the list,
> I'm getting ready to send my K3 off to Elecraft for some updates. Does
> anyone know if it would be possible for me to drop the radio off to them at
> Dayton, saving $50 shipping? The better question might be has anyone
> actually done this?
>
> 73,
> Scott N9AA
> ______________________________________________________________
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> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
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From Mundschenk55 at msn.com  Mon May 15 13:27:57 2017
From: Mundschenk55 at msn.com (Russ)
Date: Mon, 15 May 2017 17:27:57 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Hallicrafters HA-1
Message-ID: <BN6PR15MB1411057C974359FC868F2697CFE10@BN6PR15MB1411.namprd15.prod.outlook.com>

Guys:

Thanks!!!
I appreciate all the responses.
I guess my Googling ability is not as good as it used to be.
I swear I couldn't find the schematic.

At age 15 and after building many Heathkits - I decided to just copy the HA-1 schematic.
It was good experience for a kid - nowadays nobody (no kids anyway) build hardware

Russ KD4JO

From wunder at wunderwood.org  Mon May 15 13:32:13 2017
From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood)
Date: Mon, 15 May 2017 10:32:13 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Hallicrafters HA-1
In-Reply-To: <BN6PR15MB1411057C974359FC868F2697CFE10@BN6PR15MB1411.namprd15.prod.outlook.com>
References: <BN6PR15MB1411057C974359FC868F2697CFE10@BN6PR15MB1411.namprd15.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <A85D7327-A5B0-4B5A-94D8-9FDD9EEA2E0D@wunderwood.org>

No kids build hardware!? Have you heard of the maker movement? Find a Maker Faire near you and see what kids are building.

http://makerfaire.com/bay-area/ <http://makerfaire.com/bay-area/>

wunder
K6WRU
Walter Underwood
CM87wj
http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog)

> On May 15, 2017, at 10:27 AM, Russ <Mundschenk55 at msn.com> wrote:
> 
> Guys:
> 
> Thanks!!!
> I appreciate all the responses.
> I guess my Googling ability is not as good as it used to be.
> I swear I couldn't find the schematic.
> 
> At age 15 and after building many Heathkits - I decided to just copy the HA-1 schematic.
> It was good experience for a kid - nowadays nobody (no kids anyway) build hardware
> 
> Russ KD4JO
> ______________________________________________________________
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From n6kr at elecraft.com  Mon May 15 13:34:48 2017
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Mon, 15 May 2017 10:34:48 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: N6KR (et al) testing KX2 on San Bruno mountain today
 at 12 PM PDT, ~14.058 MHz
Message-ID: <00728453-E8C9-4E8B-B69C-CE7198CB2015@elecraft.com>

Hi all,

A friend and I will be deploying our KX2s and antennas at exactly noon today from an excellent perch: San Bruno mountain (Just south of San Francisco). This will be my first field operation since adding the KX2?s newest firmware features (in particular, multiple ATU data sets). 

The bands don?t sound all that great, so we could use some company :)  We?ll be listening/calling with 10 W on 14.058 or so.

73,
Wayne
N6KR




From wunder at wunderwood.org  Mon May 15 13:44:41 2017
From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood)
Date: Mon, 15 May 2017 10:44:41 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: N6KR (et al) testing KX2 on San Bruno mountain
 today at 12 PM PDT, ~14.058 MHz
In-Reply-To: <00728453-E8C9-4E8B-B69C-CE7198CB2015@elecraft.com>
References: <00728453-E8C9-4E8B-B69C-CE7198CB2015@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <78993DB5-347D-4C32-91B3-5884F7D17F12@wunderwood.org>

If you are at the very top, identify as a SOTA activation. That summit is ?W6/CC-072?. No requirement to log your activation if you don?t want to, but the chasers can log the points. Well, one point.

http://www.sota.org.uk/Summit/W6/CC-072 <http://www.sota.org.uk/Summit/W6/CC-072>

A spot on stopwatch.org should get you some chasers. If you alert now of for the activation, you should get an autospot from the CW scanner.

wunder
K6WRU
Walter Underwood
CM87wj
http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog)

> On May 15, 2017, at 10:34 AM, Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> A friend and I will be deploying our KX2s and antennas at exactly noon today from an excellent perch: San Bruno mountain (Just south of San Francisco). This will be my first field operation since adding the KX2?s newest firmware features (in particular, multiple ATU data sets). 
> 
> The bands don?t sound all that great, so we could use some company :)  We?ll be listening/calling with 10 W on 14.058 or so.
> 
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR
> 
> 
> 
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From rich at wc3t.us  Mon May 15 13:59:41 2017
From: rich at wc3t.us (rich hurd WC3T)
Date: Mon, 15 May 2017 13:59:41 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Hallicrafters HA-1
In-Reply-To: <A85D7327-A5B0-4B5A-94D8-9FDD9EEA2E0D@wunderwood.org>
References: <BN6PR15MB1411057C974359FC868F2697CFE10@BN6PR15MB1411.namprd15.prod.outlook.com>
	<A85D7327-A5B0-4B5A-94D8-9FDD9EEA2E0D@wunderwood.org>
Message-ID: <CABYU7Wg+OH+0YYSfzLTn1siyoXEGoxjGn4AnPEqR257O2_A6hA@mail.gmail.com>

There's a whole club in the Northern NJ area that supports ham radio and
Maker stuff - the 723rd Mechanized Contest Battalion <http://wc2fd.com>.
 Pretty amazing stuff these kids are doing.

I'm dipping my toes in mesh networking with this group, given that my QTH
is basically LOS for most of the Lehigh Valley in PA and extending into NJ.
   A Ubiquity node on a pole on my roof would afford spectacular coverage
for a mesh node.  As long as my XYL approves/doesn't notice.   ;)

On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 1:32 PM, Walter Underwood <wunder at wunderwood.org>
wrote:

> No kids build hardware!? Have you heard of the maker movement? Find a
> Maker Faire near you and see what kids are building.
>
> http://makerfaire.com/bay-area/ <http://makerfaire.com/bay-area/>
>
> wunder
> K6WRU
> Walter Underwood
> CM87wj
> http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog)
>
> > On May 15, 2017, at 10:27 AM, Russ <Mundschenk55 at msn.com> wrote:
> >
> > Guys:
> >
> > Thanks!!!
> > I appreciate all the responses.
> > I guess my Googling ability is not as good as it used to be.
> > I swear I couldn't find the schematic.
> >
> > At age 15 and after building many Heathkits - I decided to just copy the
> HA-1 schematic.
> > It was good experience for a kid - nowadays nobody (no kids anyway)
> build hardware
> >
> > Russ KD4JO
> > ______________________________________________________________
> > Elecraft mailing list
> > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
> > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
> > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> >
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> > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
> > Message delivered to wunder at wunderwood.org
>
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-- 
73 (or 72 for the QRP folks),
Rich Hurd / WC3T
Northampton County RACES
EPA-ARRL Public Information Officer for Scouting
Latitude: 40.761621 Longitude: -75.288988  Grid: *FN20is*
40?45.68' N 75?17.33' W

From eric at elecraft.com  Mon May 15 14:10:10 2017
From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft)
Date: Mon, 15 May 2017 11:10:10 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 Heatsink
In-Reply-To: <5283DC6DE4D441089B100420C87BD264@LeroyPC>
References: <f9e515f0-4640-1bdd-2357-281d9697dbfd@mebtel.net>
	<1494852696340-7630636.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<596537244.1950610.1494861164451@mail.yahoo.com>
	<5283DC6DE4D441089B100420C87BD264@LeroyPC>
Message-ID: <8e6c3e02-d01b-15ee-56b9-78a57e341b4f@elecraft.com>

Folks, Lets close the 'list banning' portion of this thread.

Regardless of your motivation, it is a violation of the Elecraft list guidelines 
to criticize other people or vendors in this manner. eHam and other forums have 
review sections where info like this can be passed on.

That said, I'll also talk with the KX3/KX2 Yahoo moderator about the claims of 
banning members for mentions of other competitors etc., which is a concern for 
us as it also reflects on our reputation since that independent group is 
Elecraft KX3/KX2 oriented.

73,
Eric
/elecraft.com/



From k2vco.vic at gmail.com  Mon May 15 14:26:14 2017
From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP)
Date: Mon, 15 May 2017 21:26:14 +0300
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: N6KR (et al) testing KX2 on San Bruno mountain
 today at 12 PM PDT, ~14.058 MHz
In-Reply-To: <00728453-E8C9-4E8B-B69C-CE7198CB2015@elecraft.com>
References: <00728453-E8C9-4E8B-B69C-CE7198CB2015@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <366a44be-eb60-2b20-b162-0436908e685f@gmail.com>

My chance of hearing you is almost zero, noise level high-ish, but my 
propagation program tells me that the propagation to CA on 20 at noon 
your time is as good as it will be all day. So I'll listen in a few 
minutes -- who knows?

73,
Victor, 4X6GP
Rehovot, Israel
Formerly K2VCO
http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/


Vic

On 15 May 2017 20:34, Wayne Burdick wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> A friend and I will be deploying our KX2s and antennas at exactly
> noon today from an excellent perch: San Bruno mountain (Just south of
> San Francisco). This will be my first field operation since adding
> the KX2?s newest firmware features (in particular, multiple ATU data
> sets).
>
> The bands don?t sound all that great, so we could use some company :)
> We?ll be listening/calling with 10 W on 14.058 or so.
>
> 73, Wayne N6KR

From john.meade at freqelec.com  Mon May 15 15:12:54 2017
From: john.meade at freqelec.com (John Meade W2XS)
Date: Mon, 15 May 2017 12:12:54 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] Hallicrafters HA-1
In-Reply-To: <BN6PR15MB1411057C974359FC868F2697CFE10@BN6PR15MB1411.namprd15.prod.outlook.com>
References: <BN6PR15MB1411057C974359FC868F2697CFE10@BN6PR15MB1411.namprd15.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <1494875574932-7630657.post@n2.nabble.com>

I also copied the Hallicrafters HA-1 schematic when I was 15. I loved the
glow of those voltage regulator tubes and the neon bulb on the front panel.
And that mercury-wetted relay was beautiful.

But - it didn't have auto character spacing which came out with the WB4VVF
Accu-Keyer (hint-hint - so it's not OT after all).

73, John W2XS
(K3, K2, K1, KX2, and had 2 KX1s).



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From k2asp at kanafi.org  Mon May 15 15:15:14 2017
From: k2asp at kanafi.org (Phil Kane)
Date: Mon, 15 May 2017 12:15:14 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] [winlink_for_emcomm] NEED HELP WITH KPC-3 PLUS
In-Reply-To: <DM5PR11MB1289EA6D6AF4C098C4994941F9E10@DM5PR11MB1289.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>
References: <CALoUX65i-JmOJ-MDf4bAkQLLTPnw60yS4JWP0AJpLqaBXrCugQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<f43a3376-2dda-2ddb-be9e-63b8b5fb4544@gmail.com>
	<CALoUX67VboPqMtLTgdMyTjzrhXjtMtBx5AXTVMEDz_P72Rq_Kw@mail.gmail.com>
	<9b438891-7c9b-5ee7-1dd0-571533e1b324@gmail.com>
	<CALoUX66_Xd1vYwnY7TrsXHr057HwzfyPmRzknV5ZynFsi4=QiQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<200a8004-3593-41a6-9331-76357d1039ab@googlegroups.com>
	<DM5PR11MB12892B0241EF1564C7295FDDF9E00@DM5PR11MB1289.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>
	<551561604.1310709.1494823914575@mail.yahoo.com>
	<DM5PR11MB1289EA6D6AF4C098C4994941F9E10@DM5PR11MB1289.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <cc621e7e-d0c0-03ae-2e19-e890fc091dc7@kanafi.org>

On 5/15/2017 5:01 AM, Ronald F. Henry wrote:

> As for narrowband, with the exception of amateur radio, the rest of the
> world is narrowband.

Not so. The Maritime Mobile Services (ship and shore stations) operating
on VHF (156-162 MHz) are still using 5 kHz deviation for 20F2D
(RTTY/data)  and 20F3E (voice) which is the international standard.

See: Section 80.213(a)(2) of the Rules.

73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane
Elecraft K2/100   s/n 5402

>From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest
Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon

From rsoifer1 at aol.com  Mon May 15 15:22:03 2017
From: rsoifer1 at aol.com (rsoifer1 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 15 May 2017 15:22:03 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 forced firmware download
Message-ID: <15c0d8f72e3-555b-a58f@webprd-a16.mail.aol.com>

I had to do a forced firmware download today, and found that I could only do it if the cable from the computer went directly to ACC 1 on the KX3.  If you have a PX3 connected, unplug the cable from the PX3, turn off the PX3, and connect the KX3's ACC 1 socket directly to the computer using the supplied cable.


I found this out by trial and error.  My user manual (Rev C5) does not mention this required step.


73 Ray W2RS

From kevinr at coho.net  Mon May 15 15:26:25 2017
From: kevinr at coho.net (kevinr at coho.net)
Date: Mon, 15 May 2017 12:26:25 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: N6KR (et al) testing KX2 on San Bruno mountain
 today at 12 PM PDT, ~14.058 MHz
In-Reply-To: <00728453-E8C9-4E8B-B69C-CE7198CB2015@elecraft.com>
References: <00728453-E8C9-4E8B-B69C-CE7198CB2015@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <0cbeb8b8-b06b-5261-e3d3-3895b7e03c9b@coho.net>

You were very marginal copy for the first ten minutes but were getting 
S7 reports from those you worked.  Then you dropped out and I could only 
hear those you were working.  You were not lonely :)

      73,

          Kevin.  KD5ONS


On 5/15/2017 10:34 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> A friend and I will be deploying our KX2s and antennas at exactly noon today from an excellent perch: San Bruno mountain (Just south of San Francisco). This will be my first field operation since adding the KX2?s newest firmware features (in particular, multiple ATU data sets).
>
> The bands don?t sound all that great, so we could use some company :)  We?ll be listening/calling with 10 W on 14.058 or so.
>
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR
>
>
>
> ______________________________________________________________
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From eric at elecraft.com  Mon May 15 15:26:59 2017
From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft)
Date: Mon, 15 May 2017 12:26:59 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Dayton Dropoff
In-Reply-To: <E1D82226A2B04803B7C253C1BB7E6628@G4GNXLaptop>
References: <36fe93b6-0c92-2a0e-a3e8-11d1c41e889b@gmail.com>
	<E1D82226A2B04803B7C253C1BB7E6628@G4GNXLaptop>
Message-ID: <e02edac9-b55e-7dcb-d61a-cff72f692096@elecraft.com>

Hi Alan,

I apologize, but we are unable to receive products for service at the show. In 
addition to the chance for loss or damage to your radio there in the commotion 
of the show, we're maxed out just keeping up with the regular show sales and 
demos. We are also limited in what we can hand carry back with us on the plane 
to CA.

Also, anyone planning a service return needs to first contact our sales or 
support group and have them issue you a 'return service authorization' (RSA) 
form and number along with shipping info to the factory etc. That's the only way 
we can guarantee that we will be able receive it properly to track it, handle it 
properly, get it completed quickly and back to you. (I apologize if you have 
already done that step :-)

If you are hand carrying it with you from the U.K., one solution might be to 
post it via UPS to us from a local UPS store' in Dayton. There are a number of 
these there and also in some of the local office supply stores.  Of course, make 
sure to contact us first to get the RSA form and number.

73,
Eric
/elecraft.com/

On 5/15/2017 10:18 AM, G4GNX wrote:
> Almost certainly not.
>
> I wanted them to carry some parts to Dayton for collection, but they can't do 
> that. I can't see them doing it in 'reverse' either.
>
> I'm having parts shipped to a friend who will then deliver to another friend 
> at Dayton, who will carry them back to the UK.
>
> 73,
>
> Alan. G4GNX
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Scott Manthe
> Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 6:12 PM
> To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [Elecraft] Dayton Dropoff
>
> Hello to the list,
> I'm getting ready to send my K3 off to Elecraft for some updates. Does
> anyone know if it would be possible for me to drop the radio off to them
> at Dayton, saving $50 shipping? The better question might be has anyone
> actually done this?
>
> 73,
> Scott N9AA
>
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From k6dgw at foothill.net  Mon May 15 15:27:34 2017
From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen)
Date: Mon, 15 May 2017 12:27:34 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: N6KR (et al) testing KX2 on San Bruno mountain
 today at 12 PM PDT, ~14.058 MHz
In-Reply-To: <00728453-E8C9-4E8B-B69C-CE7198CB2015@elecraft.com>
References: <00728453-E8C9-4E8B-B69C-CE7198CB2015@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <2adf2fb7-2f2a-8466-244b-6518adea6f31@foothill.net>

I won't [and don't] hear you on 20, I probably would on 40

73,

Fred ("Skip") K6DGW
Sparks NV USA
Washoe County DM09dn

On 5/15/2017 10:34 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> A friend and I will be deploying our KX2s and antennas at exactly noon today from an excellent perch: San Bruno mountain (Just south of San Francisco). This will be my first field operation since adding the KX2?s newest firmware features (in particular, multiple ATU data sets).
>
> The bands don?t sound all that great, so we could use some company :)  We?ll be listening/calling with 10 W on 14.058 or so.
>
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR
>


From ghyoungman at gmail.com  Mon May 15 15:57:29 2017
From: ghyoungman at gmail.com (GRANT YOUNGMAN)
Date: Mon, 15 May 2017 15:57:29 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Hallicrafters HA-1
In-Reply-To: <1494875574932-7630657.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <BN6PR15MB1411057C974359FC868F2697CFE10@BN6PR15MB1411.namprd15.prod.outlook.com>
	<1494875574932-7630657.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <8A90BA63-98AF-4FB5-8913-AF02E30951A3@gmail.com>

This is one of the things that has always bugged me about internal rig keyers (Elecraft included).  And as as result, I?ve almost never used them.  I?ve been using an Accu-Keyer (or emulator) for so long that nothing else is comfortable.  

I moved from my original home brewed Accu-Keyer (which I still have, refuse to part with,  and occasionally use) to the enhanced Accu-Memory version, to an MM-3 (with emulation ? and still one of the best stand-alone keyers ever made) to the Idiom Press CMOS 4 (with emulation) because of its small form factor.

It seems that something as basic as Accu-Keyer timing with auto-character (and even auto-word) space isn?t exactly ?rocket science?.  So how about it Elecraft?   Accu-Keyer emulation would make a better than run-of-the-mill update!!  For the K3, KX3, KX2.  And I wouldn?t have to carry the CMOS 4 in my KX3 bag or fiddle with more cables on the table with the K3.  I?m probably not alone here, given the popularity of the Accu-Keyer.  I can send better CW with a bug than I can with paddles and an electronic keyer that lacks ACS.  Maybe it?s my (old) age or just practice ...  :-)

> But - it didn't have auto character spacing which came out with the WB4VVF
> Accu-Keyer (hint-hint - so it's not OT after all).
> 

Grant NQ5T
K3 #2091, KX3 #8342




From ken at nicelyweb.com  Mon May 15 16:12:05 2017
From: ken at nicelyweb.com (Ken Nicely)
Date: Mon, 15 May 2017 16:12:05 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3/100 for sale
In-Reply-To: <CABMgcaL2JccBX-tg8sRtL9tzN9dnCaakJ850d+o7P8oJgWKKzQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABMgcaL2JccBX-tg8sRtL9tzN9dnCaakJ850d+o7P8oJgWKKzQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CABMgcaJFhpkvjYL+gmV14cWAHs+3Lqb=aN-Pjx5FMuJTw29FLg@mail.gmail.com>

Correction on the filters.  There are 2 KFL3A-2.8K in the radio.  Also l am
lowering the price to $3,000.00 obo.

Electaft K3/100, 100 Watt, with 2nd receiver, general coverage module, 2
Meter module, internal tuner, transverter IF, voice recorder and 9
filters.  Below is a total list with the prices I paid.  Serial number
3115.  $4,863 invested.  Working perfectly.


K3/100-F    $2089.95    1     K3 100W Xcvr.
KAT3-F      $329.95     1     K3 ATU
KUSB        $39.95      1     Univ. Ser Bus Adapt.
KXV3A       $99.95      1     K3 RX Ant, IF Out & Xvrtr Int

KRX3        $599.95     1     K3 2nd RX
KBPF3       $139.95     1     K3 Gen. Cov. RX Module
K144XV-K    $299.95     1     K3 Int. 2 M Module Kit
KDVR3       $129.95     1     K3 Dig. Voice Recorder

KFL3A-250   $125.95     2     K3 250 Hz, 8 pole filter
KFL3A-400   $125.95     2     K3 400 Hz, 8 pole filter
KFL3A-1.8K  $125.95     2     K3 1.8 kHz, 8 pole filter
KFL3A-2.8K  $125.95     2     K3 2.8 kHz, 8 pole filter
KFL3A-6K    $125.95     1     K3 6 kHz, 8 pole filter
KFL3B-FM    $125.95     1     K3 FM b/w filter

Prices do not include shipping. Buyer pays actual shipping.  I will be at
Dayton so it could deliver there as well..

I can send photos to interested buyers.

Contact Ken KE3C at ken at nicelyweb.com or call 610-952-3602.

On Wed, May 10, 2017 at 4:15 PM, Ken Nicely <ken at nicelyweb.com> wrote:

> Electaft K3/100, 100 Watt, with 2nd receiver, general coverage module, 2
> Meter module, internal tuner, transverter IF, voice recorder and 9
> filters.  Below is a total list with the prices I paid.  Serial number
> 3115.  $4,863 invested.  Working perfectly. I am asking $3,200.
>
>
> K3/100-F    $2089.95    1     K3 100W Xcvr.
> KAT3-F      $329.95     1     K3 ATU
> KUSB        $39.95      1     Univ. Ser Bus Adapt.
> KXV3A       $99.95      1     K3 RX Ant, IF Out & Xvrtr Int
>
> KRX3        $599.95     1     K3 2nd RX
> KBPF3       $139.95     1     K3 Gen. Cov. RX Module
> K144XV-K    $299.95     1     K3 Int. 2 M Module Kit
> KDVR3       $129.95     1     K3 Dig. Voice Recorder
>
> KFL3A-250   $125.95     2     K3 250 Hz, 8 pole filter
> KFL3A-400   $125.95     2     K3 400 Hz, 8 pole filter
> KFL3A-1.8K  $125.95     2     K3 1.8 kHz, 8 pole filter
> KFL3A-2.8K  $125.95     1     K3 2.8 kHz, 8 pole filter
> KFL3A-6K    $125.95     1     K3 6 kHz, 8 pole filter
> KFL3B-FM    $125.95     1     K3 FM b/w filter
>
> Prices do not include shipping. Buyer pays actual shipping.  I will be at
> Dayton so it could deliver there as well..
>
> I can send photos to interested buyers.
>
> Contact Ken KE3C at kenAtNicelywebDotCom.
>

From g4gnx at g4gnx.com  Mon May 15 16:13:42 2017
From: g4gnx at g4gnx.com (G4GNX)
Date: Mon, 15 May 2017 21:13:42 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] Dayton Dropoff
In-Reply-To: <e02edac9-b55e-7dcb-d61a-cff72f692096@elecraft.com>
References: <36fe93b6-0c92-2a0e-a3e8-11d1c41e889b@gmail.com>
	<E1D82226A2B04803B7C253C1BB7E6628@G4GNXLaptop>
	<e02edac9-b55e-7dcb-d61a-cff72f692096@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <f86268c5-2a19-c3bf-e4fd-deb80c74da1b@g4gnx.com>

Hi Eric.

I'm sure there's no need to apologise, but actually it's Scott (the OP) 
who wanted to transport a rig, not me.

My comment was merely to illustrate that Scott's request was unlikely to 
be fulfilled and certainly was not a complaint.

I fully accept your reasons for not transporting customers' goods to and 
from Dayton and I'm quite happy with the current arrangement I have for 
collecting my Elecraft order.

On my own behalf, thank you for your attention, which is one of the 
reasons I'm glad that I use Elecraft products.

73,

Alan. G4GNX

On 15/05/2017 20:26, Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft wrote:
> Hi Alan,
>
> I apologize, but we are unable to receive products for service at the 
> show. In addition to the chance for loss or damage to your radio there 
> in the commotion of the show, we're maxed out just keeping up with the 
> regular show sales and demos. We are also limited in what we can hand 
> carry back with us on the plane to CA.
>
> Also, anyone planning a service return needs to first contact our 
> sales or support group and have them issue you a 'return service 
> authorization' (RSA) form and number along with shipping info to the 
> factory etc. That's the only way we can guarantee that we will be able 
> receive it properly to track it, handle it properly, get it completed 
> quickly and back to you. (I apologize if you have already done that 
> step :-)
>
> If you are hand carrying it with you from the U.K., one solution might 
> be to post it via UPS to us from a local UPS store' in Dayton. There 
> are a number of these there and also in some of the local office 
> supply stores.  Of course, make sure to contact us first to get the 
> RSA form and number.
>
> 73,
> Eric
> /elecraft.com/
>
> On 5/15/2017 10:18 AM, G4GNX wrote:
>> Almost certainly not.
>>
>> I wanted them to carry some parts to Dayton for collection, but they 
>> can't do that. I can't see them doing it in 'reverse' either.
>>
>> I'm having parts shipped to a friend who will then deliver to another 
>> friend at Dayton, who will carry them back to the UK.
>>
>> 73,
>>
>> Alan. G4GNX
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: Scott Manthe
>> Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 6:12 PM
>> To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>> Subject: [Elecraft] Dayton Dropoff
>>
>> Hello to the list,
>> I'm getting ready to send my K3 off to Elecraft for some updates. Does
>> anyone know if it would be possible for me to drop the radio off to them
>> at Dayton, saving $50 shipping? The better question might be has anyone
>> actually done this?
>>
>> 73,
>> Scott N9AA 

From ch at murgatroid.com  Mon May 15 16:59:18 2017
From: ch at murgatroid.com (Christopher Hoover)
Date: Mon, 15 May 2017 13:59:18 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Taking KX3 on Airlines -Any issues/hassles with
 TSA/etc here days - with Bio-Engg 12V 7Ah Lithium Battery as Carry On
 Luggage
In-Reply-To: <15c07a4a7f2-5bc9-4340@webprd-a50.mail.aol.com>
References: <15c07a4a7f2-5bc9-4340@webprd-a50.mail.aol.com>
Message-ID: <CACw0PsbYBTUroJq=D2YjzCVcuNk0mEeOFB-yj9dbZ_bFbssy_Q@mail.gmail.com>

Refer to this for US carriers:

https://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/headquarters_offices/ash/ash_programs/hazmat/passenger_info/media/Airline_passengers_and_batteries.pdf

tl;dr: Li+ packs need to be 100 WHr or less.   Larger is up to the
airline.  Li+ batteries *in* equipment is fine for carry on or checked
luggage.   Spare Li+ batteries can *only* be carried on, up to two, at the
discretion of the airline.


-christopher
73 de AI6KG





On Sun, May 14, 2017 at 8:47 AM, Michael Aust <ava622 at verizon.net> wrote:

> Taking KX3 on Airlines -Any issues/hassles with TSA/etc  here days - with
> Bio-Engg 12V 7Ah Lithium Battery as Carry On Luggage
>
>
> USA to Hawaii
>
>
> USA oversea's
>
>
> Any recent traveler's experience with Airport screeners ?
>
>
> etc
>
>
> Mike
> WB6DJi
>
>
>
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From n9aa at arrl.net  Mon May 15 17:02:16 2017
From: n9aa at arrl.net (Scott Manthe)
Date: Mon, 15 May 2017 17:02:16 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Dayton Dropoff
In-Reply-To: <e02edac9-b55e-7dcb-d61a-cff72f692096@elecraft.com>
References: <36fe93b6-0c92-2a0e-a3e8-11d1c41e889b@gmail.com>
	<E1D82226A2B04803B7C253C1BB7E6628@G4GNXLaptop>
	<e02edac9-b55e-7dcb-d61a-cff72f692096@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <02e5b644-c973-577b-027c-00aac48292b8@arrl.net>

Hi Eric,
I was the OP and I appreciate your response. I've long had the return 
authorization and have procrastinated sending it, as my situation is a 
bit unusual in that I have an uninstalled KRX3 that I'd like to be 
updated as well, but not installed. I'll send it after Dayton. Thanks 
again for responding. One of the many reasons I'm an Elecraft owner.

Thanks too to everyone else who took the time to reply!

73,
Scott N9AA


On 5/15/17 3:26 PM, Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft wrote:
> Hi Alan,
>
> I apologize, but we are unable to receive products for service at the 
> show. In addition to the chance for loss or damage to your radio there 
> in the commotion of the show, we're maxed out just keeping up with the 
> regular show sales and demos. We are also limited in what we can hand 
> carry back with us on the plane to CA.
>
> Also, anyone planning a service return needs to first contact our 
> sales or support group and have them issue you a 'return service 
> authorization' (RSA) form and number along with shipping info to the 
> factory etc. That's the only way we can guarantee that we will be able 
> receive it properly to track it, handle it properly, get it completed 
> quickly and back to you. (I apologize if you have already done that 
> step :-)
>
> If you are hand carrying it with you from the U.K., one solution might 
> be to post it via UPS to us from a local UPS store' in Dayton. There 
> are a number of these there and also in some of the local office 
> supply stores.  Of course, make sure to contact us first to get the 
> RSA form and number.
>
> 73,
> Eric
> /elecraft.com/
>
> On 5/15/2017 10:18 AM, G4GNX wrote:
>> Almost certainly not.
>>
>> I wanted them to carry some parts to Dayton for collection, but they 
>> can't do that. I can't see them doing it in 'reverse' either.
>>
>> I'm having parts shipped to a friend who will then deliver to another 
>> friend at Dayton, who will carry them back to the UK.
>>
>> 73,
>>
>> Alan. G4GNX
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: Scott Manthe
>> Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 6:12 PM
>> To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>> Subject: [Elecraft] Dayton Dropoff
>>
>> Hello to the list,
>> I'm getting ready to send my K3 off to Elecraft for some updates. Does
>> anyone know if it would be possible for me to drop the radio off to them
>> at Dayton, saving $50 shipping? The better question might be has anyone
>> actually done this?
>>
>> 73,
>> Scott N9AA
>>
>> ______________________________________________________________
>> Elecraft mailing list
>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
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>>
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>> Message delivered to eric.swartz at elecraft.com
>
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From hlyingst at yahoo.com  Mon May 15 17:08:39 2017
From: hlyingst at yahoo.com (Harry Yingst)
Date: Mon, 15 May 2017 21:08:39 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] Tube Rig with KPA500?
References: <842652937.2048148.1494882519959.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <842652937.2048148.1494882519959@mail.yahoo.com>

And now for something completely different.
I was curious if anyone out there has used their tube radios with the KPA500?
I've used Tube amps with SS radios but never tube rigs with an SS amp.

I would assume you just tune up onto a dummy load then put the amp in line.

Thank you

From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Mon May 15 17:44:51 2017
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Mon, 15 May 2017 17:44:51 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Dayton Dropoff
In-Reply-To: <e02edac9-b55e-7dcb-d61a-cff72f692096@elecraft.com>
References: <36fe93b6-0c92-2a0e-a3e8-11d1c41e889b@gmail.com>
	<E1D82226A2B04803B7C253C1BB7E6628@G4GNXLaptop>
	<e02edac9-b55e-7dcb-d61a-cff72f692096@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <7766f77b-a34b-a388-7794-3d3e8de5e8ce@embarqmail.com>

Despite that being Elecraft policy, if anyone has a K2, K1, KX1 or 
XVseries transverter that is to be sent to me for repair, you can hand 
it to me *personally* at the Elecraft booth (do not leave it at the 
booth with anyone else).
If I am away from the booth, come back in an hour or so.

I will be driving from Dayton back to Wake Forest, NC, so a few extra 
packages will not be any problem.

Be certain you have the service form filled out and packed with your gear.
Please put it in a box for easier handling or stacking.  Pack it so it 
does not move inside the box.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 5/15/2017 3:26 PM, Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft wrote:
> Hi Alan,
> 
> I apologize, but we are unable to receive products for service at the 
> show. In addition to the chance for loss or damage to your radio there 
> in the commotion of the show, we're maxed out just keeping up with the 
> regular show sales and demos. We are also limited in what we can hand 
> carry back with us on the plane to CA.
> 
> Also, anyone planning a service return needs to first contact our sales 
> or support group and have them issue you a 'return service 
> authorization' (RSA) form and number along with shipping info to the 
> factory etc. That's the only way we can guarantee that we will be able 
> receive it properly to track it, handle it properly, get it completed 
> quickly and back to you. (I apologize if you have already done that step 
> :-)
> 
> If you are hand carrying it with you from the U.K., one solution might 
> be to post it via UPS to us from a local UPS store' in Dayton. There are 
> a number of these there and also in some of the local office supply 
> stores.  Of course, make sure to contact us first to get the RSA form 
> and number.
> 
> 73,
> Eric
> /elecraft.com/
> 
> On 5/15/2017 10:18 AM, G4GNX wrote:
>> Almost certainly not.
>>
>> I wanted them to carry some parts to Dayton for collection, but they 
>> can't do that. I can't see them doing it in 'reverse' either.
>>
>> I'm having parts shipped to a friend who will then deliver to another 
>> friend at Dayton, who will carry them back to the UK.
>>
>> 73,
>>
>> Alan. G4GNX
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: Scott Manthe
>> Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 6:12 PM
>> To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>> Subject: [Elecraft] Dayton Dropoff
>>
>> Hello to the list,
>> I'm getting ready to send my K3 off to Elecraft for some updates. Does
>> anyone know if it would be possible for me to drop the radio off to them
>> at Dayton, saving $50 shipping? The better question might be has anyone
>> actually done this?
>>
>> 73,
>> Scott N9AA
>>
>> ______________________________________________________________
>> Elecraft mailing list
>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
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>>
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>> Message delivered to eric.swartz at elecraft.com
> 
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From hhoyt at mebtel.net  Mon May 15 17:51:03 2017
From: hhoyt at mebtel.net (Howard Hoyt)
Date: Mon, 15 May 2017 17:51:03 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 Heatsink
Message-ID: <2b07fc07-af15-6fd7-3bfc-8f0af9e10936@mebtel.net>

Leroy, everyone else reading the misinformation posted by Tex KA5Y:

Please do not make a decision on faulty information.  I was the one who 
came along AFTER the original list owner who banned many people 
including me, and I fixed the idiotic policies which kept people from 
talking about manufacturers the owner didn't like.  I was one of those 
people who was banned!  Please check your information before agreeing 
with someone who speaks without getting his facts straight.  Since I 
have been moderating the Yahoo KX User Group I have not banned ANYONE 
for reasons other than posting porn or Viagra ads, and those are usually 
hijacked email accounts.  If you need independent verification of this 
set of facts, please contact these vendors who were banned like me, but 
who can now post whatever they want thanks to me taking the group over 
and changing the policy, they know the real story of what happened in 
that group, not Tex:

QRPworks - Steve Silverman - KB3SII at QRPWorks.com
GEMS Products - Scott Bastian - kd6qzx at sbcglobal.net
Rose's Cases - Ken Kopp - kengkopp at gmail.com

This is one of the problems with the internet: people can just say 
whatever they want without checking facts, and some people just believe 
what they read uncritically.

Howie - WA4PSC

From eric at elecraft.com  Mon May 15 17:59:35 2017
From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft)
Date: Mon, 15 May 2017 14:59:35 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 Heatsink
In-Reply-To: <1494852696340-7630636.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <f9e515f0-4640-1bdd-2357-281d9697dbfd@mebtel.net>
	<1494852696340-7630636.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <6a6c695a-46e4-4c21-5613-4c90a0767f12@elecraft.com>

Folks - I've just corresponded with Howard Hoyt, W4SPC, of Pro-Audio Systems. It 
appears you may be mistaken about the assertion Howard was the moderator banning 
people from the independent Yahoo KX3 list. Howard took over the Yahoo KX3/KX2 
list a while back from its original owner, who apparently -was- banning a large 
number of members for a wide range of reasons. Howard's goal was to clean up the 
problems.

In fact Howard has been adding back a large number of members who were 
previously banned when informed about it.

This is -exactly- the reason why we prohibit complaints about other vendors or 
hams on this list. And even when well intentioned, an erroneous complaint about 
a vendor or person can seriously harm their reputation and business.

I'll invite Howard top post here so he can set the story straight. (But lets 
keep that thread as short as possible. :-)

73,
Eric
/elecraft.com/

From k9yeq at live.com  Mon May 15 18:01:25 2017
From: k9yeq at live.com (Bill Johnson)
Date: Mon, 15 May 2017 22:01:25 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] [KX2] Using the new 4 PF keys
In-Reply-To: <CANVONALvZZdhqsRUni=VGPgvh3icqK8EdnXJX4tW7ec89j8BQg@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <RO1P152MB090734FA711D71B870A5350E9CE10@RO1P152MB0907.LAMP152.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

I use one of my keys for AGC.  Very helpful with noise and signal levels.  I also use one for dual receive.

73,
Bill
K9YEQ

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Rick Tavan
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 12:05 AM
To: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: [Elecraft] [KX2] Using the new 4 PF keys

The KX2 is a superb example of user interface compression, providing much of the functionality of KX3 (and even K3) in a tiny box. But there are a few things relegated to menus that I tend to do often. The KX2 firmware upgrade to allow four PF keys instead of just one came a few days before my
KX2 and I am very grateful for it. So far I've just been testing my KX2 in the home shack, so what I do with the keys may change when I get out in the field. Here is how I'm allocating the four keys so far:

1 - ATU ON/OFF
2 - VOX ON/OFF (= TEST function of K3)
3 - DUAL RX ("SUB") ON/OFF
4 - RF GAIN ADJ (probably unnecessary in the field with lousy antennas)
      In the field I would probably change PF4 to BKLIGHT ON/OFF.

Any better ideas?

73,

/Rick N6XI

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From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Mon May 15 18:04:47 2017
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Mon, 15 May 2017 18:04:47 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S CW Delay on KEY OUT ?
In-Reply-To: <BCA5E59D-0FEF-420F-AC43-A0D24A6DAB1A@chopcat.co.uk>
References: <BCA5E59D-0FEF-420F-AC43-A0D24A6DAB1A@chopcat.co.uk>
Message-ID: <0284c778-8ce9-0ef0-251a-94c7b6b605f8@embarqmail.com>

Trevor,

Make sure VOX is turned on for CW mode.  See page 33 of the manual.  The 
Delay setting should control the amount of delay after each dit/dah or 
if long enough it will not drop out until a significant time after 
keying stops.

If your transverters use relays, I suggest that semi-breakin will work 
better.  If you need even more control for T/R switching the 
transveters, use PTT.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 5/15/2017 9:20 AM, Trevor Clapp wrote:
> When I am using the K3S with an external transverter which uses the key out line to change from RX to TX i am finding that with a paddle input from my Winkeyer I cannot get the transverter to remain keyed. Adjusting the CW delay does not increase the time btween keying and the relay in the transverter clicking out.  So basically I get the relay clicking on every keyed letter.
> 

From ak5x at mac.com  Mon May 15 18:57:10 2017
From: ak5x at mac.com (William Hammond)
Date: Mon, 15 May 2017 17:57:10 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: N6KR (et al) testing KX2 on San Bruno mountain today
 at 12 PM
Message-ID: <5F7A4EB0-3555-4A59-A68E-9548F78B4388@mac.com>

Hi all I made a little video recording of what I could hear here, 1,500 miles away:  

https://www.flickr.com/photos/ak5x/33873281563/in/dateposted-public/ <https://www.flickr.com/photos/ak5x/33873281563/in/dateposted-public/>


73, Bill-AK5X


> On May 15, 2017, at 12:34 PM, Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com <mailto:n6kr at elecraft.com>> wrote:
> 
>  San Bruno mountain (Just south of San Francisco).

From lmarion at mt.net  Mon May 15 19:46:13 2017
From: lmarion at mt.net (lmarion)
Date: Mon, 15 May 2017 17:46:13 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 Heatsink
In-Reply-To: <6a6c695a-46e4-4c21-5613-4c90a0767f12@elecraft.com>
References: <f9e515f0-4640-1bdd-2357-281d9697dbfd@mebtel.net><1494852696340-7630636.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<6a6c695a-46e4-4c21-5613-4c90a0767f12@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <6BA634239DA745469F81FA6771C76CA6@LeroyPC>

Thanks Eric for resolving this.

You should know it was a year ago that I was banned from the KX3 list for 
mentioning a heat sink.

I  just two months ago emailed the list moderator, no response.

So I am skeptical about the timing of list moderator who was banning folks, 
all of who mentioned a competing product of the current list moderator.

So again, thanks for resolving the conflict,  and next time I will email you 
directly if that is OK.

Since I own one of every radio  Elecraft has ever produced, the lists are 
valuable to me.

73 Leroy AB7CE

-----Original Message----- 
From: Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 3:59 PM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX2 Heatsink

Folks - I've just corresponded with Howard Hoyt, W4SPC, of Pro-Audio 
Systems. It
appears you may be mistaken about the assertion Howard was the moderator 
banning
people from the independent Yahoo KX3 list. Howard took over the Yahoo 
KX3/KX2
list a while back from its original owner, who apparently -was- banning a 
large
number of members for a wide range of reasons. Howard's goal was to clean up 
the
problems.

In fact Howard has been adding back a large number of members who were
previously banned when informed about it.

This is -exactly- the reason why we prohibit complaints about other vendors 
or
hams on this list. And even when well intentioned, an erroneous complaint 
about
a vendor or person can seriously harm their reputation and business.

I'll invite Howard top post here so he can set the story straight. (But lets
keep that thread as short as possible. :-)

73,
Eric
/elecraft.com/
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From w7aqk at cox.net  Mon May 15 19:50:51 2017
From: w7aqk at cox.net (w7aqk)
Date: Mon, 15 May 2017 16:50:51 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Dayton Dropoff
Message-ID: <F208CC16CC40425B84080E2A28EDC13F@LAPTOPEPVQLR1I>

Scott,

Are you serious???  How do you expect them to get your rig back to 
Watsonville without incurring some added cost?  It certainly costs them 
something to bring all that they bring in the first place!!!

Bite the bullet, and put it in the mail!

Dave W7AQK

--------------------------------------
From: Scott Manthe <scott.manthe at gmail.com>


Hello to the list,
I'm getting ready to send my K3 off to Elecraft for some updates. Does
anyone know if it would be possible for me to drop the radio off to them
at Dayton, saving $50 shipping? The better question might be has anyone
actually done this?

73,
Scott N9AA 


From ka5y at yahoo.com  Mon May 15 20:25:44 2017
From: ka5y at yahoo.com (pkhjr)
Date: Mon, 15 May 2017 17:25:44 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 Heatsink
In-Reply-To: <2b07fc07-af15-6fd7-3bfc-8f0af9e10936@mebtel.net>
References: <2b07fc07-af15-6fd7-3bfc-8f0af9e10936@mebtel.net>
Message-ID: <1494894344296-7630677.post@n2.nabble.com>

How did you become moderator after being banned.  The moderator would not
even acknowledge anyone's emails.  Seems as though the moderator had no name
or call sign posted.  Guess you had an inside track. 

I sent an email to you at Pro Audio after selling my KX3 and acquiring a
KX2.  You were the 'new' moderator claiming a more friendly group.  I
pleaded my case with my apology for promoting products.  I see the rules
still require your pre approval for mentioning/promoting a product.  You
didn't even have the courtesy to respond to my email.  From the post I've
seen not many were reinstated.

It stinks Howie no matter how you spin it.  

73 Tex
ka5y




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From n9aa at arrl.net  Mon May 15 20:38:22 2017
From: n9aa at arrl.net (Scott Manthe)
Date: Mon, 15 May 2017 20:38:22 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Dayton Dropoff
In-Reply-To: <F208CC16CC40425B84080E2A28EDC13F@LAPTOPEPVQLR1I>
References: <F208CC16CC40425B84080E2A28EDC13F@LAPTOPEPVQLR1I>
Message-ID: <d617ad41-48f0-0064-d47d-5d923a20684f@arrl.net>

The question was asked without any expectation that Elecraft could/would 
do this and no criticism was offered when Eric said they couldn't.

The unfortunate thing about the Internet is that there are people who've 
apparently forgotten what it means to be polite and who feel the need to 
offer a criticism on almost any question, no matter how innocent, or 
every suggestion, no matter how well meaning.

73,
Scott N9AA


On 5/15/17 7:50 PM, w7aqk wrote:
> Scott,
>
> Are you serious???  How do you expect them to get your rig back to 
> Watsonville without incurring some added cost?  It certainly costs 
> them something to bring all that they bring in the first place!!!
>
> Bite the bullet, and put it in the mail!
>
> Dave W7AQK
>
> --------------------------------------
> From: Scott Manthe <scott.manthe at gmail.com>
>
>
> Hello to the list,
> I'm getting ready to send my K3 off to Elecraft for some updates. Does
> anyone know if it would be possible for me to drop the radio off to them
> at Dayton, saving $50 shipping? The better question might be has anyone
> actually done this?
>
> 73,
> Scott N9AA
> ______________________________________________________________ 


From nick.ve3ey at gmail.com  Mon May 15 20:49:09 2017
From: nick.ve3ey at gmail.com (Nick - VE3EY)
Date: Mon, 15 May 2017 20:49:09 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KFL3A-400 400 Hz, 8-pole filter wanted
Message-ID: <CAPw5zB033i18CLNy4afDNO4Q4e8WD=BkgSpsbR1doZi_XMKbKg@mail.gmail.com>

If you have one to sell, drop me an email.

73,  Nick
VE3EY

From lmarion at mt.net  Mon May 15 21:18:48 2017
From: lmarion at mt.net (lmarion)
Date: Mon, 15 May 2017 19:18:48 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 Heatsink
In-Reply-To: <2b07fc07-af15-6fd7-3bfc-8f0af9e10936@mebtel.net>
References: <2b07fc07-af15-6fd7-3bfc-8f0af9e10936@mebtel.net>
Message-ID: <736BB1E20FB947D59C10090FDFD832F8@LeroyPC>

I  did not know about Tex until today.
I based my opinion on my own experience. 
The last time I emailed moderator and got no
response I deleted  KX3   from the groups
I belong to. 
So  I am not a problem to you have to deal with.
After today I doubt others will have a problem,
so I think you are OK.

73  Leroy AB7CE

-----Original Message----- 
From: Howard Hoyt 
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 3:51 PM 
To: lmarion at mt.net ; elecraft at mailman.qth.net 
Subject: KX2 Heatsink 

Leroy, everyone else reading the misinformation posted by Tex KA5Y:

From ed at w0yk.com  Mon May 15 21:26:18 2017
From: ed at w0yk.com (Ed Muns)
Date: Mon, 15 May 2017 18:26:18 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Dayton Dropoff
Message-ID: <mailman.435.1494898077.7381.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>

In the past UPS has a spot in the Hamvention exhibits for accepting shipments.

73,
Ed W0YK
On May 15, 2017 2:02 PM, Scott Manthe <n9aa at arrl.net> wrote:
>
> Hi Eric, 
> I was the OP and I appreciate your response. I've long had the return 
> authorization and have procrastinated sending it, as my situation is a 
> bit unusual in that I have an uninstalled KRX3 that I'd like to be 
> updated as well, but not installed. I'll send it after Dayton. Thanks 
> again for responding. One of the many reasons I'm an Elecraft owner. 
>
> Thanks too to everyone else who took the time to reply! 
>
> 73, 
> Scott N9AA 
>
>
> On 5/15/17 3:26 PM, Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft wrote: 
> > Hi Alan, 
> > 
> > I apologize, but we are unable to receive products for service at the 
> > show. In addition to the chance for loss or damage to your radio there 
> > in the commotion of the show, we're maxed out just keeping up with the 
> > regular show sales and demos. We are also limited in what we can hand 
> > carry back with us on the plane to CA. 
> > 
> > Also, anyone planning a service return needs to first contact our 
> > sales or support group and have them issue you a 'return service 
> > authorization' (RSA) form and number along with shipping info to the 
> > factory etc. That's the only way we can guarantee that we will be able 
> > receive it properly to track it, handle it properly, get it completed 
> > quickly and back to you. (I apologize if you have already done that 
> > step :-) 
> > 
> > If you are hand carrying it with you from the U.K., one solution might 
> > be to post it via UPS to us from a local UPS store' in Dayton. There 
> > are a number of these there and also in some of the local office 
> > supply stores.? Of course, make sure to contact us first to get the 
> > RSA form and number. 
> > 
> > 73, 
> > Eric 
> > /elecraft.com/ 
> > 
> > On 5/15/2017 10:18 AM, G4GNX wrote: 
> >> Almost certainly not. 
> >> 
> >> I wanted them to carry some parts to Dayton for collection, but they 
> >> can't do that. I can't see them doing it in 'reverse' either. 
> >> 
> >> I'm having parts shipped to a friend who will then deliver to another 
> >> friend at Dayton, who will carry them back to the UK. 
> >> 
> >> 73, 
> >> 
> >> Alan. G4GNX 
> >> 
> >> -----Original Message----- From: Scott Manthe 
> >> Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 6:12 PM 
> >> To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net 
> >> Subject: [Elecraft] Dayton Dropoff 
> >> 
> >> Hello to the list, 
> >> I'm getting ready to send my K3 off to Elecraft for some updates. Does 
> >> anyone know if it would be possible for me to drop the radio off to them 
> >> at Dayton, saving $50 shipping? The better question might be has anyone 
> >> actually done this? 
> >> 
> >> 73, 
> >> Scott N9AA 
> >> 
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From n6kr at elecraft.com  Mon May 15 21:32:11 2017
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Mon, 15 May 2017 18:32:11 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: N6KR (et al) testing KX2 on San Bruno mountain
 today at 12 PM
In-Reply-To: <5F7A4EB0-3555-4A59-A68E-9548F78B4388@mac.com>
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Message-ID: <8A5844F0-E8B6-41F8-BCD4-63C97B701C72@elecraft.com>

Thanks, Bill. Your signal was really banging in here!

Wayne
N6KR


> On May 15, 2017, at 3:57 PM, William Hammond <ak5x at mac.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi all I made a little video recording of what I could hear here, 1,500 miles away:  
> 
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/ak5x/33873281563/in/dateposted-public/ <https://www.flickr.com/photos/ak5x/33873281563/in/dateposted-public/>
> 
> 
> 73, Bill-AK5X
> 
> 
>> On May 15, 2017, at 12:34 PM, Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com <mailto:n6kr at elecraft.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> San Bruno mountain (Just south of San Francisco).
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From n6kr at elecraft.com  Mon May 15 21:33:08 2017
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Mon, 15 May 2017 18:33:08 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] Re: OT: N6KR (et al) testing KX2 on San Bruno
 mountain today at 12 PM PDT, ~14.058 MHz
In-Reply-To: <78993DB5-347D-4C32-91B3-5884F7D17F12@wunderwood.org>
References: <00728453-E8C9-4E8B-B69C-CE7198CB2015@elecraft.com>
	<78993DB5-347D-4C32-91B3-5884F7D17F12@wunderwood.org>
Message-ID: <0EE29A7E-F8BE-4696-9B63-6E83346D9A0A@elecraft.com>

Maybe next time! Thanks for the pointer.

We didn?t have much operating time, but it was serious fun. I felt like a rare DX station, working a pileup for about 15 minutes. Thanks, guys!

Wayne



> On May 15, 2017, at 10:44 AM, Walter Underwood wunder at wunderwood.org [KX3] <KX3-noreply at yahoogroups.com> wrote:
> 
> If you are at the very top, identify as a SOTA activation. That summit is ?W6/CC-072?. No requirement to log your activation if you don?t want to, but the chasers can log the points. Well, one point.
> 
> 
> http://www.sota.org.uk/Summit/W6/CC-072
> 
> A spot on stopwatch.org should get you some chasers. If you alert now of for the activation, you should get an autospot from the CW scanner.
> 
> wunder
> K6WRU
> Walter Underwood
> CM87wj
> http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog)
> 
>> On May 15, 2017, at 10:34 AM, Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> A friend and I will be deploying our KX2s and antennas at exactly noon today from an excellent perch: San Bruno mountain (Just south of San Francisco). This will be my first field operation since adding the KX2?s newest firmware features (in particular, multiple ATU data sets). 
>> 
>> The bands don?t sound all that great, so we could use some company :)  We?ll be listening/calling with 10 W on 14.058 or so.
>> 
>> 73,
>> Wayne
>> N6KR
>> 
>> 
>> 
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From doug at k0dxv.com  Mon May 15 22:14:49 2017
From: doug at k0dxv.com (Doug Person)
Date: Mon, 15 May 2017 20:14:49 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] Hallicrafters HA-1 with O/T comments
In-Reply-To: <BN6PR15MB1411057C974359FC868F2697CFE10@BN6PR15MB1411.namprd15.prod.outlook.com>
References: <BN6PR15MB1411057C974359FC868F2697CFE10@BN6PR15MB1411.namprd15.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <8313a4b8-2a9d-6cf6-774c-549d250ca135@k0dxv.com>

You are very mistaken in your statement regarding kids not building 
things.  They're not building ham radio, that's for sure.  But find any 
maker faire and you will be stunned by the age and ability of the kids 
demonstrating their projects.  Maker Faires (Their preferred spelling it 
seems) would be a great place to communicate ham radio to the younger 
generation. Arduino and Raspberry PI have enormous followings by 
teenagers and even a lot of pre-teens. Don't write them off! Our 
community has done a poor job of out reach to the teens of today.

Doug -- K0DXV


On 5/15/2017 11:27 AM, Russ wrote:
> Guys:
>
> Thanks!!!
> I appreciate all the responses.
> I guess my Googling ability is not as good as it used to be.
> I swear I couldn't find the schematic.
>
> At age 15 and after building many Heathkits - I decided to just copy the HA-1 schematic.
> It was good experience for a kid - nowadays nobody (no kids anyway) build hardware
>
> Russ KD4JO
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From rthorne at rthorne.net  Mon May 15 22:16:07 2017
From: rthorne at rthorne.net (Richard Thorne)
Date: Mon, 15 May 2017 21:16:07 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Dimensions?
Message-ID: <5edd1d01-5a78-f58e-db15-b9c42fb39fcd@rthorne.net>

Wayne,

What is the height of the amp with the feet sitting on the desk (bail 
not extended)?

Thanks

Rich - N5ZC

From n6kr at elecraft.com  Mon May 15 22:30:28 2017
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Mon, 15 May 2017 19:30:28 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Dimensions?
In-Reply-To: <5edd1d01-5a78-f58e-db15-b9c42fb39fcd@rthorne.net>
References: <5edd1d01-5a78-f58e-db15-b9c42fb39fcd@rthorne.net>
Message-ID: <6A7D27ED-1780-4E9F-BDBC-B044321F9E21@elecraft.com>

4.5? for the cabinet and 0.6? for the feet = 5.1?. Allow plenty of clearance for the ventilation holes in the top cover.

73,
Wayne
N6KR



> On May 15, 2017, at 7:16 PM, Richard Thorne <rthorne at rthorne.net> wrote:
> 
> Wayne,
> 
> What is the height of the amp with the feet sitting on the desk (bail not extended)?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Rich - N5ZC




From bbaines at mac.com  Mon May 15 22:36:36 2017
From: bbaines at mac.com (Barry Baines)
Date: Mon, 15 May 2017 22:36:36 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Dayton Dropoff
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Ed:

> On May 15, 2017, at 9:26 PM, Ed Muns <ed at w0yk.com> wrote:
> 
> In the past UPS has a spot in the Hamvention exhibits for accepting shipments.


The UPS Store is listed as being in Bulding 6 (6311-6312) at this year?s Hamvention.


73,

Barry, WD4ASW
(Departing Boston to drive to  Xenia on Tuesday)


> 
> 73,
> Ed W0YK
> 


From n6kr at elecraft.com  Mon May 15 23:01:32 2017
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Mon, 15 May 2017 20:01:32 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] New command for K3 macro and K-Pod users: Delay (DE)
Message-ID: <CFDEE485-6B33-48E9-8497-0A4FB5C48268@elecraft.com>

The latest K3 field test firmware (rev. 5.60) includes a new command, DE (delay), that should be especially useful in switch/K-Pod macros. There are times when it?s desirable to pace certain commands, e.g. during band change and message send.

The format of the DE command is:

   DEnnn;

where <nnn> can be 001-255. This value is the time in 10 ms increments, so the delay can be 10-2550 ms. 

NOTE: DE001 will cause a delay that can be shorter than 10 ms, due to the way timers are handled, so I?d recommend using at least DE002, which will be guaranteed to provide a 10-20 ms delay.

As an example, this [useless but instructive] macro moves the VFO up four tics total, at a rate of one tic per second:

   UP;DE100;UP;DE100;UP;DE100;UP;DE100;

DE command delay is handled in the background, so it only suspends execution of control command processing. There?s no impact on normal radio operation. It also won?t affect the P3, which has its own private dialog with the radio.

This new command is included in rev. 5.60, which also fixes a bug that resulted in an occasional lost K-Pod/switch macro command.

If you?d like to try the new field test firmware, please email me. If you?ve already requested this in the past couple of days, don?t worry; I?ll be sending it to the first batch requesters in a few minutes.

73,
Wayne
N6KR

 


From k2vco.vic at gmail.com  Mon May 15 23:12:36 2017
From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP)
Date: Tue, 16 May 2017 06:12:36 +0300
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: N6KR (et al) testing KX2 on San Bruno mountain
 today at 12 PM PDT, ~14.058 MHz
In-Reply-To: <0cbeb8b8-b06b-5261-e3d3-3895b7e03c9b@coho.net>
References: <00728453-E8C9-4E8B-B69C-CE7198CB2015@elecraft.com>
	<0cbeb8b8-b06b-5261-e3d3-3895b7e03c9b@coho.net>
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I heard nothing, as expected! My noise level was about -110 dBM, quite 
high (now, in the morning, it's -120). I did give N6KR a short call on 
the QRG a few minutes before and after the hour just in case I could get 
a SWL report.

73,
Victor, 4X6GP
Rehovot, Israel
Formerly K2VCO
http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/

On 15 May 2017 22:26, kevinr at coho.net wrote:
> You were very marginal copy for the first ten minutes but were getting
> S7 reports from those you worked.  Then you dropped out and I could only
> hear those you were working.  You were not lonely :)
>
>      73,
>
>          Kevin.  KD5ONS
>
>
> On 5/15/2017 10:34 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> A friend and I will be deploying our KX2s and antennas at exactly noon
>> today from an excellent perch: San Bruno mountain (Just south of San
>> Francisco). This will be my first field operation since adding the
>> KX2?s newest firmware features (in particular, multiple ATU data sets).
>>
>> The bands don?t sound all that great, so we could use some company :)
>> We?ll be listening/calling with 10 W on 14.058 or so.
>>
>> 73,
>> Wayne
>> N6KR

From hlyingst at yahoo.com  Mon May 15 23:30:56 2017
From: hlyingst at yahoo.com (Harry Yingst)
Date: Mon, 15 May 2017 23:30:56 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] New command for K3 macro and K-Pod users: Delay (DE)
Message-ID: <kosby00ui9pxx3ew9nnp676w.1494905456443@email.android.com>

That is fantastic news, that command will come in quite handy.

Thank you





-------- Original message --------
From: Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com> 
Date: 2017-05-15  11:01 PM  (GMT-05:00) 
To: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> 
Subject: [Elecraft] New command for K3 macro and K-Pod users: Delay (DE) 

The latest K3 field test firmware (rev. 5.60) includes a new command, DE (delay), that should be especially useful in switch/K-Pod macros. There are times when it?s desirable to pace certain commands, e.g. during band change and message send.

The format of the DE command is:

?? DEnnn;

where <nnn> can be 001-255. This value is the time in 10 ms increments, so the delay can be 10-2550 ms. 

NOTE: DE001 will cause a delay that can be shorter than 10 ms, due to the way timers are handled, so I?d recommend using at least DE002, which will be guaranteed to provide a 10-20 ms delay.

As an example, this [useless but instructive] macro moves the VFO up four tics total, at a rate of one tic per second:

?? UP;DE100;UP;DE100;UP;DE100;UP;DE100;

DE command delay is handled in the background, so it only suspends execution of control command processing. There?s no impact on normal radio operation. It also won?t affect the P3, which has its own private dialog with the radio.

This new command is included in rev. 5.60, which also fixes a bug that resulted in an occasional lost K-Pod/switch macro command.

If you?d like to try the new field test firmware, please email me. If you?ve already requested this in the past couple of days, don?t worry; I?ll be sending it to the first batch requesters in a few minutes.

73,
Wayne
N6KR

 

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From ed at w0yk.com  Tue May 16 02:27:10 2017
From: ed at w0yk.com (Ed Muns)
Date: Mon, 15 May 2017 23:27:10 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Dimensions?
Message-ID: <mailman.437.1494916092.7381.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>

Is there a bail to tip it up like the K3s?

73,
Ed W0YK
On May 15, 2017 7:30 PM, Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com> wrote:
>
> 4.5? for the cabinet and 0.6? for the feet = 5.1?. Allow plenty of clearance for the ventilation holes in the top cover.
>
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR
>
> > On May 15, 2017, at 7:16 PM, Richard Thorne <rthorne at rthorne.net> wrote:
> > 
> > Wayne,
> > 
> > What is the height of the amp with the feet sitting on the desk (bail not extended)?
> > 
> > Thanks
> > 
> > Rich - N5ZC
>
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From n6kr at elecraft.com  Tue May 16 02:30:04 2017
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Mon, 15 May 2017 23:30:04 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Dimensions?
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Yes. Exactly the same style. 

Wayne

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> On May 15, 2017, at 11:27 PM, Ed Muns <ed at w0yk.com> wrote:
> 
> Is there a bail to tip it up like the K3s?
> 
> 73,
> Ed W0YK
>> On May 15, 2017 7:30 PM, Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com> wrote:
>> 
>> 4.5? for the cabinet and 0.6? for the feet = 5.1?. Allow plenty of clearance for the ventilation holes in the top cover.
>> 
>> 73,
>> Wayne
>> N6KR
>> 
>>> On May 15, 2017, at 7:16 PM, Richard Thorne <rthorne at rthorne.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Wayne,
>>> 
>>> What is the height of the amp with the feet sitting on the desk (bail not extended)?
>>> 
>>> Thanks
>>> 
>>> Rich - N5ZC
>> 
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From gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk  Tue May 16 03:54:33 2017
From: gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk (David Anderson)
Date: Tue, 16 May 2017 08:54:33 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 Heatsink
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References: <2b07fc07-af15-6fd7-3bfc-8f0af9e10936@mebtel.net>
Message-ID: <2BB0BA4A-8714-4956-B8AF-C3B1B8CB680B@yahoo.co.uk>

Thank you Howie!

I was also banned from that group in 2014 for reasons that were never clear to me, and I did not get any reply from the owner when I asked what I had done wrong. At the time I was extremely upset as I had never been banned from anything before in my life.

I did hear some very enlightening information from one of the other vendors of KX3 heatsink products about the dark things going on under the previous group owner. I decided then not to participate further in that group, though I managed to resubscribe under another email address just so that I could access archives of useful material in the group.

It is good to know that you have taken over the group.

73 from David GM4JJJ

> On 15 May 2017, at 22:51, Howard Hoyt <hhoyt at mebtel.net> wrote:
> 
> Leroy, everyone else reading the misinformation posted by Tex KA5Y:
> 
> Please do not make a decision on faulty information.  I was the one who came along AFTER the original list owner who banned many people including me, and I fixed the idiotic policies which kept people from talking about manufacturers the owner didn't like.  I was one of those people who was banned!  Please check your information before agreeing with someone who speaks without getting his facts straight.  Since I have been moderating the Yahoo KX User Group I have not banned ANYONE for reasons other than posting porn or Viagra ads, and those are usually hijacked email accounts.  If you need independent verification of this set of facts, please contact these vendors who were banned like me, but who can now post whatever they want thanks to me taking the group over and changing the policy, they know the real story of what happened in that group, not Tex:
> 
> QRPworks - Steve Silverman - KB3SII at QRPWorks.com
> GEMS Products - Scott Bastian - kd6qzx at sbcglobal.net
> Rose's Cases - Ken Kopp - kengkopp at gmail.com
> 
> This is one of the problems with the internet: people can just say whatever they want without checking facts, and some people just believe what they read uncritically.
> 
> Howie - WA4PSC
> _________________________________________


From spanget at privat.dk  Tue May 16 04:19:15 2017
From: spanget at privat.dk (Svend Spanget)
Date: Tue, 16 May 2017 01:19:15 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S CW Delay on KEY OUT ?
In-Reply-To: <BCA5E59D-0FEF-420F-AC43-A0D24A6DAB1A@chopcat.co.uk>
References: <BCA5E59D-0FEF-420F-AC43-A0D24A6DAB1A@chopcat.co.uk>
Message-ID: <1494922755847-7630717.post@n2.nabble.com>

I recently connected a Kuhne TR 144 H +40 to my K3 in order to be QRV on 2 m
for the upcoming Sporadic E season and weak signal dx.
I use the KXV3 with output power set to 1.5 mW (XV1 PWR = L 1.50).

It works fine but I have a few issues:

1. When switching on or after bandswitch the transverter is not driven to
full output. A short XMIT in FM mode somehow restores the output and going
back to SSB the output from the transverter is now as expected.

2. When using VOX with SSB the transverter is not keyed. Using PTT either
with a footswitch or the pushbutton on my MH2 keys the transverter just
fine. I have a cable connected to KEY OUT and the transverter.
Using VOX and SSB with my Henry 2KD-5 works perfect.

3. Calling CQ (or anything else) via KDVR3 also does not key the
transverter. Works fine with good old Henry.

4. Transmitting on another band keys the transverter. This isn't a big issue
as I can simply switch the transverter off and there is no output to the
transverter but the red ON AIR lights up...

The first 3 issues are really annoying.
Am I the only one to experience this?
Are there ways to fix this?

Vy 73 de Svend, OZ7UV



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From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Tue May 16 07:46:59 2017
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Tue, 16 May 2017 07:46:59 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S CW Delay on KEY OUT ?
In-Reply-To: <1494922755847-7630717.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <BCA5E59D-0FEF-420F-AC43-A0D24A6DAB1A@chopcat.co.uk>
	<1494922755847-7630717.post@n2.nabble.com>
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Svend,

For the "1." problem, re-do the Transmit Gain Calibration, and be 
certain to include the mW calibration.

As for the PTT not coming active when in transverter state, I have no 
immediate answer, but suggest you contact K3support.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 5/16/2017 4:19 AM, Svend Spanget wrote:
> I recently connected a Kuhne TR 144 H +40 to my K3 in order to be QRV on 2 m
> for the upcoming Sporadic E season and weak signal dx.
> I use the KXV3 with output power set to 1.5 mW (XV1 PWR = L 1.50).
> 
> It works fine but I have a few issues:
> 
> 1. When switching on or after bandswitch the transverter is not driven to
> full output. A short XMIT in FM mode somehow restores the output and going
> back to SSB the output from the transverter is now as expected.
> 
> 2. When using VOX with SSB the transverter is not keyed. Using PTT either
> with a footswitch or the pushbutton on my MH2 keys the transverter just
> fine. I have a cable connected to KEY OUT and the transverter.
> Using VOX and SSB with my Henry 2KD-5 works perfect.
> 

From spanget at privat.dk  Tue May 16 07:50:25 2017
From: spanget at privat.dk (Svend Spanget)
Date: Tue, 16 May 2017 04:50:25 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S CW Delay on KEY OUT ?
In-Reply-To: <9da947b0-ed83-45f2-d305-fb148d1e54ff@embarqmail.com>
References: <BCA5E59D-0FEF-420F-AC43-A0D24A6DAB1A@chopcat.co.uk>
	<1494922755847-7630717.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<9da947b0-ed83-45f2-d305-fb148d1e54ff@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <0D.07.11511.A77EA195@n9>

Thanks, Don.

I already did both without any luck...

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> Fra: Don Wilhelm [via Elecraft] <ml+s365791n7630718h41 at n2.nabble.com>
> Til: Svend Spanget <spanget at privat.dk>
> Dato: Tir, 16. maj 2017 13:48
> Emne: Re: K3S CW Delay on KEY OUT ?
> 
> Svend, For the "1." problem, re-do the Transmit Gain Calibration, and
> be certain to include the mW calibration. As for the PTT not coming
> active when in transverter state, I have no immediate answer, but
> suggest you contact K3support. 73, Don W3FPR On 5/16/2017 4:19 AM,
> Svend Spanget wrote: > I recently connected a Kuhne TR 144 H +40 to
> my K3 in order to be QRV on 2 m > for the upcoming Sporadic E season
> and weak signal dx. > I use the KXV3 with output power set to 1.5 mW
> (XV1 PWR = L 1.50). > > It works fine but I have a few issues: > > 1.
> When switching on or after bandswitch the transverter is not driven
> to > full output. A short XMIT in FM mode somehow restores the output
> and going > back to SSB the output from the transverter is now as
> expected. > > 2. When using VOX with SSB the transverter is not
> keyed. Using PTT either > with a footswitch or the pushbutton on my
> MH2 keys the transverter just > fine. I have a cable connected to KEY
> OUT and the transverter. > Using VOX and SSB with my Henry 2KD-5
> works perfect. >
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From z_kevino at hotmail.com  Tue May 16 07:52:05 2017
From: z_kevino at hotmail.com (kevino z)
Date: Tue, 16 May 2017 11:52:05 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] [KX2] can't feed with signalink
Message-ID: <MWHPR15MB1166E4CAE33C6637172D1BBAFAE60@MWHPR15MB1166.namprd15.prod.outlook.com>

I took my KX2 with me instead of my KX3. I hooked up the signalink exactly the same. However, when the signalink starts "transmitting" (i.e. PTT red LED lit), the KX2 is not transmitting, and when the signalink finishes, the KX2 displays "connect data to mic jack." 

I searched on the web and didn't see a clue. Can someone please tell me what is this about and how do I get the signalink to work with the KX2? 

And maybe Elecraft can possible document this error in a FAQ or user manual?

Thanks 
-Kevin (KK4YEL)

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From N4CW at aol.com  Tue May 16 08:25:01 2017
From: N4CW at aol.com (N4CW at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 16 May 2017 08:25:01 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Digest, Vol 157, Issue 22
Message-ID: <227e1c.2448b64c.464c499c@aol.com>

In a message dated 5/16/2017 4:28:05 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
elecraft-request at mailman.qth.net writes:

I will  be driving from Dayton back to Wake Forest, NC, so a few extra 
packages  will not be any problem.
You won't be home yet, but that's close enough... :~) Wish I  were going to 
Dayton, haven't been there in 10 years! Have fun,  Don.
Bert, N4CW

From jd at ko8v.net  Tue May 16 08:25:47 2017
From: jd at ko8v.net (Joe DeVincentis)
Date: Tue, 16 May 2017 07:25:47 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Macro save current  state of setting
Message-ID: <E6742B63-06A6-49CF-8EB7-6042A3B7A910@ko8v.net>

Is there a way to have the K3 save a setting in a macro to restore for later use?  I got this idea after seeing Wayne?s post about the new Delay command.

I want this for a K-Pod button to do a quick squirt of RF for the auto-tuner.  The tuner senses the RF and then goes to a preset.  So I?d like the button to do the following.  

  Save the current Tune Power Setting
  Change the Tune Power Setting to 10w
  Delay 10ms
  Initiate Tune
  Delay 100ms
  Stop Tune
  Reset the Tune Power Setting to the previous setting

Thanks,

Joe
KO8V

From K5MWR_VNA at yahoo.com  Tue May 16 08:34:38 2017
From: K5MWR_VNA at yahoo.com (K5MWR)
Date: Tue, 16 May 2017 07:34:38 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft]  KPA-1500 with KX-3/KXPA-100
Message-ID: <3fb4df0e-1eb9-6456-9546-0f7043a0790b@yahoo.com>

How integrated will the KPA-1500 be with the KX-3/KXPA-100 system?

Thanks
Dave K5MWR


From no9e at arrl.net  Tue May 16 09:31:41 2017
From: no9e at arrl.net (Ignacy)
Date: Tue, 16 May 2017 06:31:41 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] Unequal signal form dual receive in KX3
Message-ID: <1494941501015-7630724.post@n2.nabble.com>

With dual receive, my KX3 has different gains from VFO A and B. This is
easily heard when switching pressing A/B. When in dual receive, a weak
station in VFO B may disappear as VFO B. 

I do not hear this in K3. When A/B switching, the signals just change sides. 
  
Any workaround? 

Ignacy, NO9E



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From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Tue May 16 09:34:01 2017
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Tue, 16 May 2017 09:34:01 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Macro save current state of setting
In-Reply-To: <E6742B63-06A6-49CF-8EB7-6042A3B7A910@ko8v.net>
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Joe,

Your problem is that Macros cannot read anything and save it.  They can 
only initiate things.  Setting the power to 10 watts and initiating a 
TUNE is quite possible (and even spelled out in the Macro examples in 
the K3 Programmer's Reference), but getting the power back to wherever 
it was previously set is the difficult part.  you could restore the 
power to some predetermined level - say 100 watts.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 5/16/2017 8:25 AM, Joe DeVincentis wrote:
> Is there a way to have the K3 save a setting in a macro to restore for later use?  I got this idea after seeing Wayne?s post about the new Delay command.
> 
> I want this for a K-Pod button to do a quick squirt of RF for the auto-tuner.  The tuner senses the RF and then goes to a preset.  So I?d like the button to do the following.
> 
>    Save the current Tune Power Setting
>    Change the Tune Power Setting to 10w
>    Delay 10ms
>    Initiate Tune
>    Delay 100ms
>    Stop Tune
>    Reset the Tune Power Setting to the previous setting
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Joe
> KO8V
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From jd at ko8v.net  Tue May 16 10:17:21 2017
From: jd at ko8v.net (Joe DeVincentis)
Date: Tue, 16 May 2017 09:17:21 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Macro save current state of setting
In-Reply-To: <de9d0679-f631-8004-4c75-9ca7cff40626@embarqmail.com>
References: <E6742B63-06A6-49CF-8EB7-6042A3B7A910@ko8v.net>
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I figured that - I was hoping for some magic :-)  Maybe Elecraft can implement a push/pop stack feature.  For example:

PUSH TUN - save tune power
PUSH AG - save audio gain - just for grins - it?s an example
TUN 10
AG 0
SWH 16 - initiate TUNE
DE 10 - wait 100ms
SWH 16 stop tune
POP AG - restore tune
POP TUN - restore tune power.

That?s the dream.  I know I?d like it.

73,
Joe KO8V

> On May 16, 2017, at 8:34 AM, Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Joe,
> 
> Your problem is that Macros cannot read anything and save it.  They can only initiate things.  Setting the power to 10 watts and initiating a TUNE is quite possible (and even spelled out in the Macro examples in the K3 Programmer's Reference), but getting the power back to wherever it was previously set is the difficult part.  you could restore the power to some predetermined level - say 100 watts.
> 
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
> 


From hhoyt at mebtel.net  Tue May 16 10:22:23 2017
From: hhoyt at mebtel.net (Howard Hoyt)
Date: Tue, 16 May 2017 10:22:23 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 Heatsink
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References: <mailman.38427.1494922762.7384.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
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Leroy,

Many of us experienced exactly what you described: banning without 
notice and no replies from the moderator.  I despise that method of 
running a list and no member has been treated that way since I became 
moderator of the Yahoo KX3 KX User Group in late May 2015 and I believe 
all here who are also on the KX3 list will agree.  So I say again, your 
recollection of the timing of that event is in error.

I also checked the email logs for the account: kx3-owner at yahoogroups.com 
and see no email from your email account in 2017.  Please forward a copy 
so I can respond properly.

Howie - WA4PSC



On 5/16/2017 4:19 AM, elecraft-request at mailman.qth.net wrote:
> You should know it was a year ago that I was banned from the KX3 list for
> mentioning a heat sink.  I  just two months ago emailed the list moderator, no response.


From Mundschenk55 at msn.com  Tue May 16 10:28:33 2017
From: Mundschenk55 at msn.com (Russ)
Date: Tue, 16 May 2017 14:28:33 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Hallicrafters HA-1 with O/T comments
In-Reply-To: <8313a4b8-2a9d-6cf6-774c-549d250ca135@k0dxv.com>
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Doug:

You are correct - and it seems that Maker Ffaires might be the venue for amateur radio outreach to the younger generation.
When I am retired, I certainly would like to be part of this initiative.  Is this something the ARRL should look at?
I am happy to say that I am an Elmer to KB1YNK, who presented a paper at Dayton a couple of years ago.

Russ KD4JO

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 10:15 PM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
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You are very mistaken in your statement regarding kids not building things.  They're not building ham radio, that's for sure.  But find any maker faire and you will be stunned by the age and ability of the kids demonstrating their projects.  Maker Faires (Their preferred spelling it
seems) would be a great place to communicate ham radio to the younger generation. Arduino and Raspberry PI have enormous followings by teenagers and even a lot of pre-teens. Don't write them off! Our community has done a poor job of out reach to the teens of today.

Doug -- K0DXV


On 5/15/2017 11:27 AM, Russ wrote:
> Guys:
>
> Thanks!!!
> I appreciate all the responses.
> I guess my Googling ability is not as good as it used to be.
> I swear I couldn't find the schematic.
>
> At age 15 and after building many Heathkits - I decided to just copy the HA-1 schematic.
> It was good experience for a kid - nowadays nobody (no kids anyway) 
> build hardware
>
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From n7rjn at nobis.net  Tue May 16 14:25:23 2017
From: n7rjn at nobis.net (Robert Nobis)
Date: Tue, 16 May 2017 11:25:23 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3-PX3 QRP System for Sale
In-Reply-To: <03C3A737-8D7A-4E51-8FCF-B51BC25CF4B5@nobis.net>
References: <03C3A737-8D7A-4E51-8FCF-B51BC25CF4B5@nobis.net>
Message-ID: <586EDFC4-73AE-4F35-ADE3-8478F8EB75BF@nobis.net>

This KX3-PX3 system has been sold.

73,


Bob Nobis 
n7rjn at nobis.net


> On May 15, 2017, at 08:07, Robert Nobis <N7RJN at nobis.net> wrote:
> 
> I am no longer able to operate portable, so am selling my factory built Elecraft KX3 and PX3 QRP system. The KX3 was recently calibrated, tested and updated with the latest firmware (MCU 2.76/DSP 1.50) at the Elecraft factory. Used on two field trips to Japan. No smoking environment. The equipment is configured as follows:
> 
> 
> KX3-F Factory Assembled KX3 (ser # 7486 )
> KXAT3-F Internal 20W ATU
> KXBC3-F Internal NiMH charger with Real-time clock
> KXFL3-F Dual Passband Roofing Filter
> KX3-PCKT Accessory Cable Kit
> PAE-KX31 Pro Audio KX3 Heatsink
> PAE-KX33 Pro Audio KX3 Power Supply
> 33-100 KX3-PX3 Power Splitter
> Side KX3 KX3 End Panels (Gems Products)
> 
> PX3-F Panadapter for KX3 with cables - Factory Assembled (Ser # 1059 )
> Side PX3 PX3 End Panels (Gems Products)
> 
> SideKar QRP Works SideKar with Power Splitter?
> 
> 
> All manuals are included. I am looking for $2,150.00 for the complete system. I will pay for shipping to CONUS only. Payment by PayPal only.
> 
> Email me at N7RJN at nobis.net <mailto:N7RJN at nobis.net> for more details.
> 
> 
> Robert (Bob) Nobis ? N7RJN
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From cbjesseeNH at comcast.net  Tue May 16 14:37:31 2017
From: cbjesseeNH at comcast.net (MaverickNH)
Date: Tue, 16 May 2017 11:37:31 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] [K3S] mW TX for WSPR
Message-ID: <1494959851181-7630731.post@n2.nabble.com>

I'm trying to fiddle the TX power on my K3S using WSJT-X WSPR 1.7 on a 43ft
Vertical to match the 200 mW output of a WSPRlite over a random wire dipole
antenna, using the DXplorer.net simultaneous RX measurement system
https://tinyurl.com/mthms72 . Is TX wattage continuous with rotation of the
PWR knob? It has 0.1W decrements and I seem to find equal performance
between 0.6 and 0.7W on the K3S and was curious if halfway between 0.6 and
0.7W as I rotate the knob is 0.65W? I can imagine precision of TX power
isn't accurate to more than +/1 0.1W but thought I'd inquire.

Bret/N4SRN



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From donovanf at starpower.net  Tue May 16 17:40:31 2017
From: donovanf at starpower.net (donovanf at starpower.net)
Date: Tue, 16 May 2017 17:40:31 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Elecraft] [K3S] mW TX for WSPR
In-Reply-To: <1494959851181-7630731.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <317160220.443946.1494970831624.JavaMail.root@starpower.net>

Hi Bret, 


When using the DXplorer.net simultaneous receive measurement 
system, its best if you have the capability to start your testing 
by simultaneously transmitting through a Magic-T combiner 
into a single antenna. 


In less than 30 minutes you'll have enough data from DXplorer.net 
to calibrate out any power output difference between the two 
transmitters. After you've completed the calibration you're ready 
to connect each WSPR transmitter to the antennas under test. 


73 
Frank 
W3LPL 

----- Original Message -----

From: "MaverickNH" <cbjesseeNH at comcast.net> 
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net 
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 6:37:31 PM 
Subject: [Elecraft] [K3S] mW TX for WSPR 

I'm trying to fiddle the TX power on my K3S using WSJT-X WSPR 1.7 on a 43ft 
Vertical to match the 200 mW output of a WSPRlite over a random wire dipole 
antenna, using the DXplorer.net simultaneous RX measurement system 
https://tinyurl.com/mthms72 . Is TX wattage continuous with rotation of the 
PWR knob? It has 0.1W decrements and I seem to find equal performance 
between 0.6 and 0.7W on the K3S and was curious if halfway between 0.6 and 
0.7W as I rotate the knob is 0.65W? I can imagine precision of TX power 
isn't accurate to more than +/1 0.1W but thought I'd inquire. 

Bret/N4SRN 



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From cbjesseenh at comcast.net  Tue May 16 18:40:09 2017
From: cbjesseenh at comcast.net (Charles)
Date: Tue, 16 May 2017 22:40:09 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] [K3S] mW TX for WSPR
In-Reply-To: <317160220.443946.1494970831624.JavaMail.root@starpower.net>
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Message-ID: <284849400.16633404.1494974409142.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net>

Hi Frank, 

I think I see what you are suggesting - matching the power transmitted by each transceiver over a common antenna to assure I'm feeding two different antennas with the same TX power? 

I'm finding a Magic-T RX Splitter/Combiner https://www.dxengineering.com/parts/svp-sv-rsc-50 Can I use this to transmit as well? I'd like to give your plan a try. 

I was looking at the problem from a different perspective perhaps. Since the WSPRlite is a low output TXer (variable over 16 dB range up to 200mW, so I think that means 5mW to 200mW) I was looking to set that at 200mW on my random dipole antenna (two random wires, one E-W and the other W-E, joined by a 4:1 balun) and try to figure what power on my nearby 43ft Vertical gave the same profile on DXplorer.net. 

I think comparing a dipole to a vertical might be a interesting task, as it appears one is more "efficient" at night and the other during the day. The DX10 lines seem to invert at dawn and dusk on 40m. Two completely different antennas types cannot be equivalent a priori , I suppose! 

BRET/N4SRN 

----- Original Message -----

From: donovanf at starpower.net 
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net 
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 5:40:31 PM 
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [K3S] mW TX for WSPR 

Hi Bret, 

When using the DXplorer.net simultaneous receive measurement 
system, its best if you have the capability to start your testing 
by simultaneously transmitting through a Magic-T combiner 
into a single antenna. 

In less than 30 minutes you'll have enough data from DXplorer.net 
to calibrate out any power output difference between the two 
transmitters. After you've completed the calibration you're ready 
to connect each WSPR transmitter to the antennas under test. 

73 
Frank 
W3LPL 

----- Original Message -----

From: "MaverickNH" <cbjesseeNH at comcast.net> 
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net 
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 6:37:31 PM 
Subject: [Elecraft] [K3S] mW TX for WSPR 

I'm trying to fiddle the TX power on my K3S using WSJT-X WSPR 1.7 on a 43ft 
Vertical to match the 200 mW output of a WSPRlite over a random wire dipole 
antenna, using the DXplorer.net simultaneous RX measurement system 
https://tinyurl.com/mthms72 . Is TX wattage continuous with rotation of the 
PWR knob? It has 0.1W decrements and I seem to find equal performance 
between 0.6 and 0.7W on the K3S and was curious if halfway between 0.6 and 
0.7W as I rotate the knob is 0.65W? I can imagine precision of TX power 
isn't accurate to more than +/1 0.1W but thought I'd inquire. 

Bret/N4SRN 



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From kb2m at comcast.net  Tue May 16 20:03:45 2017
From: kb2m at comcast.net (Jeff)
Date: Tue, 16 May 2017 20:03:45 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] iphone remote control for the KPA500
In-Reply-To: <586EDFC4-73AE-4F35-ADE3-8478F8EB75BF@nobis.net>
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Is anyone working on an iPhone remote control APP for the KPA500? I move my 
KPA-500 with me when I travel from my winter home to my summer home. When 
down south for the winter I use the KPA500 with my FLEX 6500 that has a 
wonderful iPhone remote control APP.  It would be nice to be able to control 
the KPA500 via iPhone also...

73 Jeff kb2m 


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From n6kr at elecraft.com  Tue May 16 21:45:43 2017
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Tue, 16 May 2017 18:45:43 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Looking for more K3 firmware field testers (rev. 5.60)
Message-ID: <E7D4F25F-DAA4-444B-83F9-1DC96FFE0964@elecraft.com>

Hi all,

All reports so far show that K3 field test firmware rev. 5.60 has greatly improved operation of macros, in particular when used with the K-Pod.

But we could use a lot more testers to make sure everything else is working perfectly. If you could spare some time in the next day or two, please email me and I?ll send you the firmware.

Thanks & 73,
Wayne
N6KR


From no9e at arrl.net  Tue May 16 21:52:51 2017
From: no9e at arrl.net (Ignacy)
Date: Tue, 16 May 2017 18:52:51 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 Heatsink
In-Reply-To: <f6f0e303-e344-156c-2716-e96b495b171e@mebtel.net>
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I posted quite a few messages to the KX3 group on Yahoo. Some of them over a
year ago were lost. I asked Howie and he responded that he deleted nothing.
It seems that past May of last year, none of my posts made. My messages to
other groups on yahoo make it, the last one yesterday. 

Not sure what it is. Many "free" websites now change designs, often for the
worse to a user, to generate more advertising. Perhaps it is due to an ad
blocker with a specific browser.

Ignacy, NO9E





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From va3mw at portcredit.net  Tue May 16 22:06:11 2017
From: va3mw at portcredit.net (Michael Walker)
Date: Tue, 16 May 2017 22:06:11 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] iphone remote control for the KPA500
Message-ID: <CA+33ts574CpYsrDhEogNY2RAFkKUCOqKihnmgQXg1PfMEjfxQQ@mail.gmail.com>

I agree as I use mine with my 6300 exclusively remote.

I could live with a simple web page which is what I do now with PSTRotator
for Rotor control and RemoteQTH server which I use for remote buttons.

I would only need to be able to see it's status and alarms. I don't require
real time power information.

If it was a small web view, then it could run on most platforms and there
would be no need for the Android, IOS, Desktop versions for those of us who
live the live of the long mic cord.

I would include  screen shots, but I think they get purged.

Mike va3mw


On Tue, May 16, 2017 at 8:03 PM, Jeff <kb2m at comcast.net> wrote:

>
> Is anyone working on an iPhone remote control APP for the KPA500? I move
> my KPA-500 with me when I travel from my winter home to my summer home.
> When down south for the winter I use the KPA500 with my FLEX 6500 that has
> a wonderful iPhone remote control APP.  It would be nice to be able to
> control the KPA500 via iPhone also...
>
> 73 Jeff kb2m
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From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Tue May 16 22:30:23 2017
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Tue, 16 May 2017 22:30:23 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 Heatsink
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Ignacy,

If those posts were responses to posts, then know that "Reply" goes only 
to the sender.  You must do "Reply All" to send to the group and to the 
sender.  If you do not want to reply to the sender, delete that address.

The KX3 Yahoo Group works differently than many other groups.  I worked 
with the moderator to make replying to only the poster possible without 
"jumping through hoops", and the result is the best he could accomplish.

Look at the "To" line in your responses.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 5/16/2017 9:52 PM, Ignacy wrote:
> I posted quite a few messages to the KX3 group on Yahoo. Some of them over a
> year ago were lost. I asked Howie and he responded that he deleted nothing.
> It seems that past May of last year, none of my posts made. My messages to
> other groups on yahoo make it, the last one yesterday.
> 
> Not sure what it is. Many "free" websites now change designs, often for the
> worse to a user, to generate more advertising. Perhaps it is due to an ad
> blocker with a specific browser.
> 
> Ignacy, NO9E
> 
> 
> 
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From sancho at frawg.org  Tue May 16 23:04:37 2017
From: sancho at frawg.org (Jack Spitznagel)
Date: Tue, 16 May 2017 23:04:37 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] [KX2] can't feed with signalink
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Hi Kevin,

That would be odd. You should not need to set VOX since the SLUSB has one. I wonder if the header wires came out of the interface DIP socket? I set up several plug-in DIPs that are soldered up for the several rigs that I use. I had the wires fall out while traveling.

Jack KD4IZ 

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 16, 2017, at 16:11, kevino z <z_kevino at hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Yes, Data A and  even VOX
> 
> 
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> The problem with the world is that the intelligent people are full of doubts, while the stupid ones are full of confidence.
> 
> On May 16, 2017, at 07:26, Jack Spitznagel <sancho at frawg.org> wrote:
> 
>> Kev.
>> 
>> Are you set to use DATA A? Most common reason for KX3 not working and assuming similar for KX2.
>> 
>> Jack KD4IZ 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>>> On May 16, 2017, at 07:52, kevino z <z_kevino at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I took my KX2 with me instead of my KX3. I hooked up the signalink exactly the same. However, when the signalink starts "transmitting" (i.e. PTT red LED lit), the KX2 is not transmitting, and when the signalink finishes, the KX2 displays "connect data to mic jack." 
>>> 
>>> I searched on the web and didn't see a clue. Can someone please tell me what is this about and how do I get the signalink to work with the KX2? 
>>> 
>>> And maybe Elecraft can possible document this error in a FAQ or user manual?
>>> 
>>> Thanks 
>>> -Kevin (KK4YEL)
>>> 
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From bbaines at mac.com  Tue May 16 23:43:38 2017
From: bbaines at mac.com (Barry Baines)
Date: Tue, 16 May 2017 23:43:38 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] iphone remote control for the KPA500
In-Reply-To: <3E432AFFBFFA4A86B26F9A1AAC1D77B1@kb2m4PC>
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	<586EDFC4-73AE-4F35-ADE3-8478F8EB75BF@nobis.net>
	<3E432AFFBFFA4A86B26F9A1AAC1D77B1@kb2m4PC>
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Jeff:

> On May 16, 2017, at 8:03 PM, Jeff <kb2m at comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> 
> Is anyone working on an iPhone remote control APP for the KPA500?

Not a problem today if you use the Remote Rig RC-1216H to control the KPA500 (available through HRO).  It uses a web interface which looks just like the KPA500 front panel; the amplifier interface utilizes the RS232 serial connection, so I control my KPA500 with my iPad or MacBook running Safari or Chrome.  Likewise, I use a second Remote Rig 1216H to control my Green Heron Rotor Controller (RT-21), so I can manage my antenna pointing with the iPAD/iPhone/MacBook with ease.

See:  http://www.remoterig.com/wp/?page_id=1010#tabs-3 <http://www.remoterig.com/wp/?page_id=1010#tabs-3>

Note that the RC-1216H can manage various amplifiers and antenna rotators.  Unfortunately, the firmware does not support the KAT500 or the Alpha 9500.

The RC-1216H is an excellent device for managing compatible devices when operating remotely;  e.g. my shack is in SE Georgia and I?m in New England, Texas, etc.  


At this point the only devices that I must use a Windows OS is with the KAT500 and the Antenna Genius 8x2 antenna switch.  The antenna switch allows me to select which transceiver (K3 or Flex) is  active on a given port.  The Antenna Genius has a LAN connection, so I can access it relatively easily remotely and run the windows software from wherever I am.  

I use a serial-to-ethernet converter to interface with the KAT500 so that the computer at my location can control the KAT500 at the shack without a PC in the shack.

Lastly, I use the West Mountain Radio 5-port R4005i to turn on/off devices using a web interface that it has.  The allows me to remotely activate the Flex6700, control preamps and other accessories, etc.    So again, it can all be done with an iPhone/iPad/MacBook or any web-capable device.

To the extent that I can run a shack without running Windows and a PC, the happier I am.  

FWIW,

Barry Baines, WD4ASW
(Currently in Mercer, PA enroute to Hamvention?)


> I move my KPA-500 with me when I travel from my winter home to my summer home. When down south for the winter I use the KPA500 with my FLEX 6500 that has a wonderful iPhone remote control APP.  It would be nice to be able to control the KPA500 via iPhone also...
> 
> 73 Jeff kb2m 
> 
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From va3mw at portcredit.net  Tue May 16 23:58:06 2017
From: va3mw at portcredit.net (Michael Walker)
Date: Tue, 16 May 2017 23:58:06 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] iphone remote control for the KPA500
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Hi Barry

I have 2 RemoteRig pairs as I used to use them on my TS480's (I've been
running remote for about 11 years now).  I am now running remote with the
Flex Maestro and the 6300 and that works wonderfully.    I'll likely sell
both of them at some point in the future.  They did serve me very well.

I would also then have to buy the RC-1216 and that turns out to be about
$500 CDN for just essentially a web server.  That is going to take some
thought.

Since my internet upload is about 1mb/sec at the remote base, I really
limit how much I push up.  I have 1 computer that I RDP into for all my
command and control.  I did do serial tunneling one year, but then it
locked me into only 1 operating QTH.

Now, I can operate my HF station from anywhere with just a laptop or even
IOS mobile (yes, that is a stretch, but fun to try).  Having a web
interface just makes it very platform agnostic especially if I want one of
my buddies to give my station a try.

Does Elecraft publish the host IP commands on the KPA500 server?  If they
do, I was not able to find them.  I have a guy that I might be able to
convince to write me an interface.  It will cost me some $$ to make it
happen.

Thanks for the ideas!  Lots of wonderful options.

Mike va3mw




On Tue, May 16, 2017 at 11:43 PM, Barry Baines <bbaines at mac.com> wrote:

> Jeff:
>
> > On May 16, 2017, at 8:03 PM, Jeff <kb2m at comcast.net> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Is anyone working on an iPhone remote control APP for the KPA500?
>
> Not a problem today if you use the Remote Rig RC-1216H to control the
> KPA500 (available through HRO).  It uses a web interface which looks just
> like the KPA500 front panel; the amplifier interface utilizes the RS232
> serial connection, so I control my KPA500 with my iPad or MacBook running
> Safari or Chrome.  Likewise, I use a second Remote Rig 1216H to control my
> Green Heron Rotor Controller (RT-21), so I can manage my antenna pointing
> with the iPAD/iPhone/MacBook with ease.
>
> See:  http://www.remoterig.com/wp/?page_id=1010#tabs-3 <
> http://www.remoterig.com/wp/?page_id=1010#tabs-3>
>
> Note that the RC-1216H can manage various amplifiers and antenna
> rotators.  Unfortunately, the firmware does not support the KAT500 or the
> Alpha 9500.
>
> The RC-1216H is an excellent device for managing compatible devices when
> operating remotely;  e.g. my shack is in SE Georgia and I?m in New England,
> Texas, etc.
>
>
> At this point the only devices that I must use a Windows OS is with the
> KAT500 and the Antenna Genius 8x2 antenna switch.  The antenna switch
> allows me to select which transceiver (K3 or Flex) is  active on a given
> port.  The Antenna Genius has a LAN connection, so I can access it
> relatively easily remotely and run the windows software from wherever I am.
>
> I use a serial-to-ethernet converter to interface with the KAT500 so that
> the computer at my location can control the KAT500 at the shack without a
> PC in the shack.
>
> Lastly, I use the West Mountain Radio 5-port R4005i to turn on/off devices
> using a web interface that it has.  The allows me to remotely activate the
> Flex6700, control preamps and other accessories, etc.    So again, it can
> all be done with an iPhone/iPad/MacBook or any web-capable device.
>
> To the extent that I can run a shack without running Windows and a PC, the
> happier I am.
>
> FWIW,
>
> Barry Baines, WD4ASW
> (Currently in Mercer, PA enroute to Hamvention?)
>
>
> > I move my KPA-500 with me when I travel from my winter home to my summer
> home. When down south for the winter I use the KPA500 with my FLEX 6500
> that has a wonderful iPhone remote control APP.  It would be nice to be
> able to control the KPA500 via iPhone also...
> >
> > 73 Jeff kb2m
> >
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From donovanf at starpower.net  Wed May 17 00:48:12 2017
From: donovanf at starpower.net (donovanf at starpower.net)
Date: Wed, 17 May 2017 00:48:12 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Elecraft] [K3S] mW TX for WSPR
In-Reply-To: <284849400.16633404.1494974409142.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <1345171135.42072.1494996492063.JavaMail.root@starpower.net>

The DX Engineering Magic-T combiner should work fine. 
Just be sure you don't too much power into it! Much less than 
one watt. 


The dual receive feature of DXplorer should do the trick for you. 


Same polarization antennas produce almost immediate good 
performance evaluation results. Evaluating the performance of 
antennas with different polarizations might take some effort. 


73 
Frank 
W3LPL 

----- Original Message -----

From: "Charles" <cbjesseenh at comcast.net> 
To: donovanf at starpower.net 
Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net 
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 10:40:09 PM 
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [K3S] mW TX for WSPR 



Hi Frank, 



I think I see what you are suggesting - matching the power transmitted by each transceiver over a common antenna to assure I'm feeding two different antennas with the same TX power? 


I'm finding a Magic-T RX Splitter/Combiner https://www.dxengineering.com/parts/svp-sv-rsc-50 Can I use this to transmit as well? I'd like to give your plan a try. 



I was looking at the problem from a different perspective perhaps. Since the WSPRlite is a low output TXer (variable over 16 dB range up to 200mW, so I think that means 5mW to 200mW) I was looking to set that at 200mW on my random dipole antenna (two random wires, one E-W and the other W-E, joined by a 4:1 balun) and try to figure what power on my nearby 43ft Vertical gave the same profile on DXplorer.net. 



I think comparing a dipole to a vertical might be a interesting task, as it appears one is more "efficient" at night and the other during the day. The DX10 lines seem to invert at dawn and dusk on 40m. Two completely different antennas types cannot be equivalent a priori , I suppose! 



BRET/N4SRN 


----- Original Message -----

From: donovanf at starpower.net 
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net 
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 5:40:31 PM 
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [K3S] mW TX for WSPR 



Hi Bret, 


When using the DXplorer.net simultaneous receive measurement 
system, its best if you have the capability to start your testing 
by simultaneously transmitting through a Magic-T combiner 
into a single antenna. 


In less than 30 minutes you'll have enough data from DXplorer.net 
to calibrate out any power output difference between the two 
transmitters. After you've completed the calibration you're ready 
to connect each WSPR transmitter to the antennas under test. 


73 
Frank 
W3LPL 

----- Original Message -----

From: "MaverickNH" <cbjesseeNH at comcast.net> 
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net 
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 6:37:31 PM 
Subject: [Elecraft] [K3S] mW TX for WSPR 


I'm trying to fiddle the TX power on my K3S using WSJT-X WSPR 1.7 on a 43ft 
Vertical to match the 200 mW output of a WSPRlite over a random wire dipole 
antenna, using the DXplorer.net simultaneous RX measurement system 
https://tinyurl.com/mthms72 . Is TX wattage continuous with rotation of the 
PWR knob? It has 0.1W decrements and I seem to find equal performance 
between 0.6 and 0.7W on the K3S and was curious if halfway between 0.6 and 
0.7W as I rotate the knob is 0.65W? I can imagine precision of TX power 
isn't accurate to more than +/1 0.1W but thought I'd inquire. 


Bret/N4SRN 





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From bbaines at mac.com  Wed May 17 00:52:13 2017
From: bbaines at mac.com (Barry Baines)
Date: Wed, 17 May 2017 00:52:13 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] iphone remote control for the KPA500
In-Reply-To: <CA+33ts4p9Cc85mGPXgBX+xxMeZftVDunr_itmrmNJgRCdYs-jw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <03C3A737-8D7A-4E51-8FCF-B51BC25CF4B5@nobis.net>
	<586EDFC4-73AE-4F35-ADE3-8478F8EB75BF@nobis.net>
	<3E432AFFBFFA4A86B26F9A1AAC1D77B1@kb2m4PC>
	<B90D308C-9E1E-46BE-9F92-4B32E67B615D@mac.com>
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Message-ID: <43A76B41-DEE9-410E-8C06-45621B832DB1@mac.com>

MikeL


> On May 16, 2017, at 11:58 PM, Michael Walker <va3mw at portcredit.net> wrote:
> 
> Hi Barry
> 
> I have 2 RemoteRig pairs as I used to use them on my TS480's (I've been running remote for about 11 years now).  I am now running remote with the Flex Maestro and the 6300 and that works wonderfully.    I'll likely sell both of them at some point in the future.  They did serve me very well.
> 
> I would also then have to buy the RC-1216 and that turns out to be about $500 CDN for just essentially a web server.  That is going to take some thought.

It boils down to cost vs. benefit.  I invested in two RC-1216H units because I really wanted to stay away from using a PC in the shack.  Since the station is over 1,200 miles from where I would access it, eliminating a shack computer really can improve system reliability.  A failure in the shack due to PC problems not only raises the question of what the status of the RF equipment is, but also means it could be several months before I?m back on the property to resolve any issues.  
> 
> Since my internet upload is about 1mb/sec at the remote base, I really limit how much I push up.  I have 1 computer that I RDP into for all my command and control.  I did do serial tunneling one year, but then it locked me into only 1 operating QTH.  

My station in rural SE Georgia currently has 1.2 mb/sec upload/ 20 MB download through Windstream.    I have no problem running the K3 and K3/IO-mini with Remote Rig plus the two RC-1216Hs for the KPA500 and rotor control on such a network connection.   

> 
> Now, I can operate my HF station from anywhere with just a laptop or even IOS mobile (yes, that is a stretch, but fun to try).  Having a web interface just makes it very platform agnostic especially if I want one of my buddies to give my station a try.
> 
> Does Elecraft publish the host IP commands on the KPA500 server? 

Don?t know?.


> If they do, I was not able to find them.  I have a guy that I might be able to convince to write me an interface.  It will cost me some $$ to make it happen.
> 
> Thanks for the ideas!  Lots of wonderful options.

Enjoy,

Barry
WD4ASW


>  
> 
> Mike va3mw
> 


From hhoyt at mebtel.net  Wed May 17 01:49:00 2017
From: hhoyt at mebtel.net (Howard Hoyt)
Date: Wed, 17 May 2017 01:49:00 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 Heatsink
In-Reply-To: <mailman.38522.1494996740.7384.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
References: <mailman.38522.1494996740.7384.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID: <00c02999-1631-3ee1-d6d7-e1734cc7c741@mebtel.net>

Hi Ignacy,

The Yahoo KX2 Group has a slightly different posting procedure than 
other Yahoo Groups, and many others here in the Elecraft Group are also 
KX3 Group members and may find this useful: when you post a reply using 
the webform it defaults to replying only to the original poster.  You 
have to drop down the address field and select the group address if you 
want the reply to go to the whole group.  Since you have not been 
blocked from posting this is the most likely reason.  This has caused 
quite a few people to feel they are on moderation when in reality their 
replies are only going to the original poster.

Let me know if you have any issues, I'll be glad to help figure them out.

Cheers & 73,
Howie - WA4PSC

I posted quite a few messages to the KX3 group on Yahoo. Some of them over a
year ago were lost. I asked Howie and he responded that he deleted nothing.
It seems that past May of last year, none of my posts made. My messages to
other groups on yahoo make it, the last one yesterday.

Not sure what it is. Many "free" websites now change designs, often for the
worse to a user, to generate more advertising. Perhaps it is due to an ad
blocker with a specific browser.

Ignacy, NO9E



From glcazzola at alice.it  Wed May 17 07:31:22 2017
From: glcazzola at alice.it (glcazzola at alice.it)
Date: Wed, 17 May 2017 13:31:22 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] Remote stations,
 was:  iphone remote control for the KPA500
Message-ID: <5919C1B5024250CF@smtp203.alice.it> (added by postmaster@alice.it)


From kb2m at comcast.net  Wed May 17 07:51:12 2017
From: kb2m at comcast.net (Jeff)
Date: Wed, 17 May 2017 07:51:12 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft]  iphone remote control for the KPA500
Message-ID: <8BA5391A6EE743CFB6F3977ACA84C2F4@kb2m4PC>

So it looks like I will need to acquire a Remote Rig RC-1216H . There are cheaper ways to power on and off equipment, I?m now using NEO?s with the Flex 6500. A much simpler, better, and less costly  approach  to this would be a phone APP to control the KPA500, and monitor it?s functions. But I think the amp would have to be modified by Elecraft to be remotely powered on and off? I don?t need a tuner here as my antenna is a SteppIR BigIR, so it follows the radio?s TX frequency...

Missing Dayton this year, still under construction from Matthew...
73 Jeff kb2m


From: Barry Baines 
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 11:43 PM
To: Jeff 
Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net 
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] iphone remote control for the KPA500

Jeff: 

  On May 16, 2017, at 8:03 PM, Jeff <kb2m at comcast.net> wrote:


  Is anyone working on an iPhone remote control APP for the KPA500? 

Not a problem today if you use the Remote Rig RC-1216H to control the KPA500 (available through HRO).  It uses a web interface which looks just like the KPA500 front panel; the amplifier interface utilizes the RS232 serial connection, so I control my KPA500 with my iPad or MacBook running Safari or Chrome.  Likewise, I use a second Remote Rig 1216H to control my Green Heron Rotor Controller (RT-21), so I can manage my antenna pointing with the iPAD/iPhone/MacBook with ease.

See:  http://www.remoterig.com/wp/?page_id=1010#tabs-3

Note that the RC-1216H can manage various amplifiers and antenna rotators.  Unfortunately, the firmware does not support the KAT500 or the Alpha 9500.

The RC-1216H is an excellent device for managing compatible devices when operating remotely;  e.g. my shack is in SE Georgia and I?m in New England, Texas, etc.  


At this point the only devices that I must use a Windows OS is with the KAT500 and the Antenna Genius 8x2 antenna switch.  The antenna switch allows me to select which transceiver (K3 or Flex) is  active on a given port.  The Antenna Genius has a LAN connection, so I can access it relatively easily remotely and run the windows software from wherever I am.  

I use a serial-to-ethernet converter to interface with the KAT500 so that the computer at my location can control the KAT500 at the shack without a PC in the shack.

Lastly, I use the West Mountain Radio 5-port R4005i to turn on/off devices using a web interface that it has.  The allows me to remotely activate the Flex6700, control preamps and other accessories, etc.    So again, it can all be done with an iPhone/iPad/MacBook or any web-capable device.

To the extent that I can run a shack without running Windows and a PC, the happier I am.  

FWIW,

Barry Baines, WD4ASW
(Currently in Mercer, PA enroute to Hamvention?)



  I move my KPA-500 with me when I travel from my winter home to my summer home. When down south for the winter I use the KPA500 with my FLEX 6500 that has a wonderful iPhone remote control APP.  It would be nice to be able to control the KPA500 via iPhone also...

  73 Jeff kb2m 



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From kb2m at comcast.net  Wed May 17 08:12:54 2017
From: kb2m at comcast.net (Jeff)
Date: Wed, 17 May 2017 08:12:54 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] iphone remote control for the KPA500
In-Reply-To: <B90D308C-9E1E-46BE-9F92-4B32E67B615D@mac.com>
References: <03C3A737-8D7A-4E51-8FCF-B51BC25CF4B5@nobis.net>
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	<3E432AFFBFFA4A86B26F9A1AAC1D77B1@kb2m4PC>
	<B90D308C-9E1E-46BE-9F92-4B32E67B615D@mac.com>
Message-ID: <08590AD72FCB4AE29E9780A074F42212@kb2m4PC>

I?m not awake yet. After a cup of coffee I read through the Remote Rig RC-1216H  doc?s and now see that you DO get  some KPA500 monitoring information with this setup. Can the KPA500 and my SteppIR be monitored with one 1216H ? If so for $300 it?s starting to look like a good way to go, as I can?t do any control functions on my BigIR remotely, just control it?s frequency. I would also like to have a way to retract the antenna fully....

73 Jeff kb2m

From: Barry Baines 
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 11:43 PM
To: Jeff 
Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net 
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] iphone remote control for the KPA500

Jeff: 

  On May 16, 2017, at 8:03 PM, Jeff <kb2m at comcast.net> wrote:


  Is anyone working on an iPhone remote control APP for the KPA500? 

Not a problem today if you use the Remote Rig RC-1216H to control the KPA500 (available through HRO).  It uses a web interface which looks just like the KPA500 front panel; the amplifier interface utilizes the RS232 serial connection, so I control my KPA500 with my iPad or MacBook running Safari or Chrome.  Likewise, I use a second Remote Rig 1216H to control my Green Heron Rotor Controller (RT-21), so I can manage my antenna pointing with the iPAD/iPhone/MacBook with ease.

See:  http://www.remoterig.com/wp/?page_id=1010#tabs-3

Note that the RC-1216H can manage various amplifiers and antenna rotators.  Unfortunately, the firmware does not support the KAT500 or the Alpha 9500.

The RC-1216H is an excellent device for managing compatible devices when operating remotely;  e.g. my shack is in SE Georgia and I?m in New England, Texas, etc.  


At this point the only devices that I must use a Windows OS is with the KAT500 and the Antenna Genius 8x2 antenna switch.  The antenna switch allows me to select which transceiver (K3 or Flex) is  active on a given port.  The Antenna Genius has a LAN connection, so I can access it relatively easily remotely and run the windows software from wherever I am.  

I use a serial-to-ethernet converter to interface with the KAT500 so that the computer at my location can control the KAT500 at the shack without a PC in the shack.

Lastly, I use the West Mountain Radio 5-port R4005i to turn on/off devices using a web interface that it has.  The allows me to remotely activate the Flex6700, control preamps and other accessories, etc.    So again, it can all be done with an iPhone/iPad/MacBook or any web-capable device.

To the extent that I can run a shack without running Windows and a PC, the happier I am.  

FWIW,

Barry Baines, WD4ASW
(Currently in Mercer, PA enroute to Hamvention?)



  I move my KPA-500 with me when I travel from my winter home to my summer home. When down south for the winter I use the KPA500 with my FLEX 6500 that has a wonderful iPhone remote control APP.  It would be nice to be able to control the KPA500 via iPhone also...

  73 Jeff kb2m 

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From glcazzola at alice.it  Wed May 17 08:32:15 2017
From: glcazzola at alice.it (Gian Luca Cazzola)
Date: Wed, 17 May 2017 14:32:15 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] REMOTE STATIONS - was Re: iphone remote control for the
	KPA500
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Are we sure that this, remote radio,  is really again ham radio and a radio shack?

I don?t want be offensive to anybody, but I think that our community, including our associations and the contest committees, should ask ourself this question and take decisions consequently.

This kind of operating, as using 5 -10 - 20kw amplifier or ultra automated stations in contests, for contests or dx-ing is like drugs doping ? I think.

It?s only my opinion or other think the same?

Ian IK4EWX



> Il giorno 17 mag 2017, alle ore 14:12, Jeff <kb2m at comcast.net> ha scritto:
> 
> I?m not awake yet. After a cup of coffee I read through the Remote Rig RC-1216H  doc?s and now see that you DO get  some KPA500 monitoring information with this setup. Can the KPA500 and my SteppIR be monitored with one 1216H ? If so for $300 it?s starting to look like a good way to go, as I can?t do any control functions on my BigIR remotely, just control it?s frequency. I would also like to have a way to retract the antenna fully....
> 
> 73 Jeff kb2m
> 
> From: Barry Baines 
> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 11:43 PM
> To: Jeff 
> Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net 
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] iphone remote control for the KPA500
> 
> Jeff: 
> 
>  On May 16, 2017, at 8:03 PM, Jeff <kb2m at comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> 
>  Is anyone working on an iPhone remote control APP for the KPA500? 
> 
> Not a problem today if you use the Remote Rig RC-1216H to control the KPA500 (available through HRO).  It uses a web interface which looks just like the KPA500 front panel; the amplifier interface utilizes the RS232 serial connection, so I control my KPA500 with my iPad or MacBook running Safari or Chrome.  Likewise, I use a second Remote Rig 1216H to control my Green Heron Rotor Controller (RT-21), so I can manage my antenna pointing with the iPAD/iPhone/MacBook with ease.
> 
> See:  http://www.remoterig.com/wp/?page_id=1010#tabs-3
> 
> Note that the RC-1216H can manage various amplifiers and antenna rotators.  Unfortunately, the firmware does not support the KAT500 or the Alpha 9500.
> 
> The RC-1216H is an excellent device for managing compatible devices when operating remotely;  e.g. my shack is in SE Georgia and I?m in New England, Texas, etc.  
> 
> 
> At this point the only devices that I must use a Windows OS is with the KAT500 and the Antenna Genius 8x2 antenna switch.  The antenna switch allows me to select which transceiver (K3 or Flex) is  active on a given port.  The Antenna Genius has a LAN connection, so I can access it relatively easily remotely and run the windows software from wherever I am.  
> 
> I use a serial-to-ethernet converter to interface with the KAT500 so that the computer at my location can control the KAT500 at the shack without a PC in the shack.
> 
> Lastly, I use the West Mountain Radio 5-port R4005i to turn on/off devices using a web interface that it has.  The allows me to remotely activate the Flex6700, control preamps and other accessories, etc.    So again, it can all be done with an iPhone/iPad/MacBook or any web-capable device.
> 
> To the extent that I can run a shack without running Windows and a PC, the happier I am.  
> 
> FWIW,
> 
> Barry Baines, WD4ASW
> (Currently in Mercer, PA enroute to Hamvention?)
> 
> 
> 
>  I move my KPA-500 with me when I travel from my winter home to my summer home. When down south for the winter I use the KPA500 with my FLEX 6500 that has a wonderful iPhone remote control APP.  It would be nice to be able to control the KPA500 via iPhone also...
> 
>  73 Jeff kb2m 
> 
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From bbaines at mac.com  Wed May 17 08:34:37 2017
From: bbaines at mac.com (Barry Baines)
Date: Wed, 17 May 2017 08:34:37 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] iphone remote control for the KPA500
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Jeff:

> On May 17, 2017, at 8:12 AM, Jeff <kb2m at comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> I?m not awake yet. After a cup of coffee I read through the Remote Rig RC-1216H  doc?s and now see that you DO get  some KPA500 monitoring information with this setup. Can the KPA500 and my SteppIR be monitored with one 1216H ?

Normally Not.  It can only be used with one device to control at a time because within the setup process you inform the device exactly what it is you?re matching it to.  That allows the RC-1216H to display the proper web interface tailored to that device.  For example, the KPA500 screen of the RC-1216H seen on the browser is different than the rotor controller screen  That is why I noted that I?m using TWO RC-1216Hs, one for the KPA500 amplifier and one for the Green Heron Rotor Controller so that i can monitor and control both devices simulatenously.

Now, perhaps some enterprising soul can come up with a way to switch setups while having more than one device in line via RS232 connection using a remote RS232 switch box.  Select the device you want to control in the RC1216H setup process (via the web browser) and then select the device to match a remote RS232 switch that is controlled separately. 

I don?t know if it would be possible to have more than one device connected through RS232 in parallel because this could perhaps cause issues.  However, with only one RC1216H, this would still only provide a sequential monitoring/control (one at a time) and not both simultaneously.


73, 

Barry
WD4ASW

> If so for $300 it?s starting to look like a good way to go, as I can?t do any control functions on my BigIR remotely, just control it?s frequency. I would also like to have a way to retract the antenna fully?.
>  
> 73 Jeff kb2m
>  
> From: Barry Baines <mailto:bbaines at mac.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 11:43 PM
> To: Jeff <mailto:kb2m at arrl.net>
> Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net <mailto:elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] iphone remote control for the KPA500
>  
> Jeff:
>  
>> On May 16, 2017, at 8:03 PM, Jeff <kb2m at comcast.net <mailto:kb2m at comcast.net>> wrote:
>>  
>> 
>> Is anyone working on an iPhone remote control APP for the KPA500?
>  
> Not a problem today if you use the Remote Rig RC-1216H to control the KPA500 (available through HRO).  It uses a web interface which looks just like the KPA500 front panel; the amplifier interface utilizes the RS232 serial connection, so I control my KPA500 with my iPad or MacBook running Safari or Chrome.  Likewise, I use a second Remote Rig 1216H to control my Green Heron Rotor Controller (RT-21), so I can manage my antenna pointing with the iPAD/iPhone/MacBook with ease.
>  
> See:  http://www.remoterig.com/wp/?page_id=1010#tabs-3 <http://www.remoterig.com/wp/?page_id=1010#tabs-3>
>  
> Note that the RC-1216H can manage various amplifiers and antenna rotators.  Unfortunately, the firmware does not support the KAT500 or the Alpha 9500.
>  
> The RC-1216H is an excellent device for managing compatible devices when operating remotely;  e.g. my shack is in SE Georgia and I?m in New England, Texas, etc. 
>  
>  
> At this point the only devices that I must use a Windows OS is with the KAT500 and the Antenna Genius 8x2 antenna switch.  The antenna switch allows me to select which transceiver (K3 or Flex) is  active on a given port.  The Antenna Genius has a LAN connection, so I can access it relatively easily remotely and run the windows software from wherever I am. 
>  
> I use a serial-to-ethernet converter to interface with the KAT500 so that the computer at my location can control the KAT500 at the shack without a PC in the shack.
>  
> Lastly, I use the West Mountain Radio 5-port R4005i to turn on/off devices using a web interface that it has.  The allows me to remotely activate the Flex6700, control preamps and other accessories, etc.    So again, it can all be done with an iPhone/iPad/MacBook or any web-capable device.
>  
> To the extent that I can run a shack without running Windows and a PC, the happier I am. 
>  
> FWIW,
>  
> Barry Baines, WD4ASW
> (Currently in Mercer, PA enroute to Hamvention?)
>  
> 
>> I move my KPA-500 with me when I travel from my winter home to my summer home. When down south for the winter I use the KPA500 with my FLEX 6500 that has a wonderful iPhone remote control APP.  It would be nice to be able to control the KPA500 via iPhone also...
>> 
>> 73 Jeff kb2m 
>> 
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From aldermant at windstream.net  Wed May 17 08:53:35 2017
From: aldermant at windstream.net (Chester Alderman)
Date: Wed, 17 May 2017 08:53:35 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] REMOTE STATIONS - was Re: iphone remote control for
	the	KPA500
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Ian,

This is just my response, not intended to be controversial.

In my 66 years as a ham (mainly CW), I see this as our hobby and as long as we stay within the rules/guidelines of the regulating body (FCC in the USA case), we are not only allowed, but encouraged to experiment and operate all of the modes/methods available, including remote operation. The idea is to 'move forward' and try/experiment with different modes and/or methods  of operation. 

73 and CIAO,

Tom - W4BQF


-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Gian Luca Cazzola
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 8:32 AM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] REMOTE STATIONS - was Re: iphone remote control for the KPA500

Are we sure that this, remote radio,  is really again ham radio and a radio shack?

I don?t want be offensive to anybody, but I think that our community, including our associations and the contest committees, should ask ourself this question and take decisions consequently.

This kind of operating, as using 5 -10 - 20kw amplifier or ultra automated stations in contests, for contests or dx-ing is like drugs doping ? I think.

It?s only my opinion or other think the same?

Ian IK4EWX



> Il giorno 17 mag 2017, alle ore 14:12, Jeff <kb2m at comcast.net> ha scritto:
> 
> I?m not awake yet. After a cup of coffee I read through the Remote Rig RC-1216H  doc?s and now see that you DO get  some KPA500 monitoring information with this setup. Can the KPA500 and my SteppIR be monitored with one 1216H ? If so for $300 it?s starting to look like a good way to go, as I can?t do any control functions on my BigIR remotely, just control it?s frequency. I would also like to have a way to retract the antenna fully....
> 
> 73 Jeff kb2m
> 
> From: Barry Baines
> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 11:43 PM
> To: Jeff
> Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] iphone remote control for the KPA500
> 
> Jeff: 
> 
>  On May 16, 2017, at 8:03 PM, Jeff <kb2m at comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> 
>  Is anyone working on an iPhone remote control APP for the KPA500? 
> 
> Not a problem today if you use the Remote Rig RC-1216H to control the KPA500 (available through HRO).  It uses a web interface which looks just like the KPA500 front panel; the amplifier interface utilizes the RS232 serial connection, so I control my KPA500 with my iPad or MacBook running Safari or Chrome.  Likewise, I use a second Remote Rig 1216H to control my Green Heron Rotor Controller (RT-21), so I can manage my antenna pointing with the iPAD/iPhone/MacBook with ease.
> 
> See:  http://www.remoterig.com/wp/?page_id=1010#tabs-3
> 
> Note that the RC-1216H can manage various amplifiers and antenna rotators.  Unfortunately, the firmware does not support the KAT500 or the Alpha 9500.
> 
> The RC-1216H is an excellent device for managing compatible devices when operating remotely;  e.g. my shack is in SE Georgia and I?m in New England, Texas, etc.  
> 
> 
> At this point the only devices that I must use a Windows OS is with the KAT500 and the Antenna Genius 8x2 antenna switch.  The antenna switch allows me to select which transceiver (K3 or Flex) is  active on a given port.  The Antenna Genius has a LAN connection, so I can access it relatively easily remotely and run the windows software from wherever I am.  
> 
> I use a serial-to-ethernet converter to interface with the KAT500 so that the computer at my location can control the KAT500 at the shack without a PC in the shack.
> 
> Lastly, I use the West Mountain Radio 5-port R4005i to turn on/off devices using a web interface that it has.  The allows me to remotely activate the Flex6700, control preamps and other accessories, etc.    So again, it can all be done with an iPhone/iPad/MacBook or any web-capable device.
> 
> To the extent that I can run a shack without running Windows and a PC, the happier I am.  
> 
> FWIW,
> 
> Barry Baines, WD4ASW
> (Currently in Mercer, PA enroute to Hamvention?)
> 
> 
> 
>  I move my KPA-500 with me when I travel from my winter home to my summer home. When down south for the winter I use the KPA500 with my FLEX 6500 that has a wonderful iPhone remote control APP.  It would be nice to be able to control the KPA500 via iPhone also...
> 
>  73 Jeff kb2m
> 
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From jim at jtmiller.com  Wed May 17 09:01:51 2017
From: jim at jtmiller.com (Jim Miller)
Date: Wed, 17 May 2017 09:01:51 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] REMOTE STATIONS - was Re: iphone remote control for
 the KPA500
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	<3E432AFFBFFA4A86B26F9A1AAC1D77B1@kb2m4PC>
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I'm likely to move to smaller quarters in a year or two and won't
necessarily be able to have the full capabilities of my current QTH. I'll
be looking to setup my own private remote perhaps at my daughter's house
for continued use. I suspect many hams might be considering this for their
own circumstances.

Don't conclude that "remote" means far away or public access for $$. If
mine occurs it would likely be only an hour away and only for my own use.

I'm interested in seeing what the KPA1500 will bring for remote
capabilities with its ethernet connector on the back panel.

73

jim ab3cv

From bbaines at mac.com  Wed May 17 09:03:16 2017
From: bbaines at mac.com (Barry Baines)
Date: Wed, 17 May 2017 09:03:16 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] REMOTE STATIONS - was Re: iphone remote control for
 the KPA500
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Ian:

> On May 17, 2017, at 8:32 AM, Gian Luca Cazzola <glcazzola at alice.it> wrote:
> 
> Are we sure that this, remote radio,  is really again ham radio and a radio shack?


Yes.  Due to homeowner association deed restrictions and smaller lots, it isn?t always possible to have a ham station at everyone?s home.  The ability to remote to my station in Georgia allows me to enjoy HF when I?m not there and located where I can?t put up amateur antennas.

For example, I was on the weekly AMSAT 20 meter net this past Sunday afternoon (14.282 MHz) at 1900Z remoting into my station in Southeast Georgia from West Roxbury, MA.  I had full control of my station and those on the net could hear me just as if I was at the operating position in Georgia.  I get to ?play? HF radio with a fully configured station that I own whenever I feel like it and can connect to a net that I enjoy checking in when I?m not in Georgia.  

Other times I simply ?listen? using my remote connection while working at my desk because I enjoy hearing people talk and getting a sense of what are on the minds of amateur radio operators.  The 80 meter band has a plethora of ?nets? where friends talk to each other every night. Their banter is sometimes a hoot to listen to because they?re conveying a human connection through amateur radio.

Each of us may have different priorities and interests when it comes to amateur radio;  remote operation allows me to use HF when I?m not sitting at the operating position by the transceiver.

> 
> I don?t want be offensive to anybody, but I think that our community, including our associations and the contest committees, should ask ourself this question and take decisions consequently.

They already are. I?m not a contester, but my understanding is that there are rules already in effect regarding how a contester using a single remote location is supposed be categorized in term of location.  Using multiple remote sites in one contest means separate listings based upon actual activity from each remote site.

> 
> This kind of operating, as using 5 -10 - 20kw amplifier or ultra automated stations in contests, for contests or dx-ing is like drugs doping ? I think.

Amateur rules about what constitutes legal amateur equipment or what are appropriate operating practices don?t change with remote operation.  It simply provides a different conduit that allows more flexibility in terms of communicating through amateur radio.

The same conversation is taking place with VHF/UHF operations utilizing DMR and C4FM.  I use an RFShark ?OpenSpot? to connect to various DMR repeater networks via the internet in order to remain connected with friends when I?m out-of-area.  Last night as I was driving across Pennsylvania on I-80, I was on the First Coast DMR talk group (Jacksonville, FL and Southeast Georgia) talking to friends using a HT in the car connected to an Openspot that was tethered to my iPhone.  When I?m in Texas, I can connect to the New England Wide Talkgroup through the DRM+ network to get on the Monday night New England Net (NEDECN:  New England Digital Emergency Communications Network, part of DMR-MARC) to learn about what?s happening with DMR in New England when I?m not in Boston.  

The ability to combine ?connectivity? provided by the internet with amateur radio is a wonderful thing because it allows us to maintain relationships and create new ones no matter where we are?.


FWIW,

Barry, WD4ASW


> 
> It?s only my opinion or other think the same?
> 
> Ian IK4EWX
> 
> 
> 
>> Il giorno 17 mag 2017, alle ore 14:12, Jeff <kb2m at comcast.net> ha scritto:
>> 
>> I?m not awake yet. After a cup of coffee I read through the Remote Rig RC-1216H  doc?s and now see that you DO get  some KPA500 monitoring information with this setup. Can the KPA500 and my SteppIR be monitored with one 1216H ? If so for $300 it?s starting to look like a good way to go, as I can?t do any control functions on my BigIR remotely, just control it?s frequency. I would also like to have a way to retract the antenna fully....
>> 
>> 73 Jeff kb2m
>> 
>> From: Barry Baines 
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 11:43 PM
>> To: Jeff 
>> Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net 
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] iphone remote control for the KPA500
>> 
>> Jeff: 
>> 
>> On May 16, 2017, at 8:03 PM, Jeff <kb2m at comcast.net> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Is anyone working on an iPhone remote control APP for the KPA500? 
>> 
>> Not a problem today if you use the Remote Rig RC-1216H to control the KPA500 (available through HRO).  It uses a web interface which looks just like the KPA500 front panel; the amplifier interface utilizes the RS232 serial connection, so I control my KPA500 with my iPad or MacBook running Safari or Chrome.  Likewise, I use a second Remote Rig 1216H to control my Green Heron Rotor Controller (RT-21), so I can manage my antenna pointing with the iPAD/iPhone/MacBook with ease.
>> 
>> See:  http://www.remoterig.com/wp/?page_id=1010#tabs-3
>> 
>> Note that the RC-1216H can manage various amplifiers and antenna rotators.  Unfortunately, the firmware does not support the KAT500 or the Alpha 9500.
>> 
>> The RC-1216H is an excellent device for managing compatible devices when operating remotely;  e.g. my shack is in SE Georgia and I?m in New England, Texas, etc.  
>> 
>> 
>> At this point the only devices that I must use a Windows OS is with the KAT500 and the Antenna Genius 8x2 antenna switch.  The antenna switch allows me to select which transceiver (K3 or Flex) is  active on a given port.  The Antenna Genius has a LAN connection, so I can access it relatively easily remotely and run the windows software from wherever I am.  
>> 
>> I use a serial-to-ethernet converter to interface with the KAT500 so that the computer at my location can control the KAT500 at the shack without a PC in the shack.
>> 
>> Lastly, I use the West Mountain Radio 5-port R4005i to turn on/off devices using a web interface that it has.  The allows me to remotely activate the Flex6700, control preamps and other accessories, etc.    So again, it can all be done with an iPhone/iPad/MacBook or any web-capable device.
>> 
>> To the extent that I can run a shack without running Windows and a PC, the happier I am.  
>> 
>> FWIW,
>> 
>> Barry Baines, WD4ASW
>> (Currently in Mercer, PA enroute to Hamvention?)
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I move my KPA-500 with me when I travel from my winter home to my summer home. When down south for the winter I use the KPA500 with my FLEX 6500 that has a wonderful iPhone remote control APP.  It would be nice to be able to control the KPA500 via iPhone also...
>> 
>> 73 Jeff kb2m 
>> 
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From hlyingst at yahoo.com  Wed May 17 09:23:44 2017
From: hlyingst at yahoo.com (Harry Yingst)
Date: Wed, 17 May 2017 13:23:44 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] [K3S] mW TX for WSPR
In-Reply-To: <1345171135.42072.1494996492063.JavaMail.root@starpower.net>
References: <284849400.16633404.1494974409142.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net>
	<1345171135.42072.1494996492063.JavaMail.root@starpower.net>
Message-ID: <2042208924.1540346.1495027424131@mail.yahoo.com>

I use a Mini-Circuits?ZSC-2-2+ as a splitter for my RX antenna
Per it's specs it looks to be rated at 1 watt

      From: "donovanf at starpower.net" <donovanf at starpower.net>
 To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net 
 Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 12:50 AM
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [K3S] mW TX for WSPR
   
The DX Engineering Magic-T combiner should work fine. 
Just be sure you don't too much power into it! Much less than 
one watt. 


The dual receive feature of DXplorer should do the trick for you. 


Same polarization antennas produce almost immediate good 
performance evaluation results. Evaluating the performance of 
antennas with different polarizations might take some effort. 


73 
Frank 
W3LPL 

   

From josh at voodoolab.com  Wed May 17 10:52:49 2017
From: josh at voodoolab.com (Josh)
Date: Wed, 17 May 2017 07:52:49 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] REMOTE STATIONS - was Re: iphone remote control for
	the KPA500
In-Reply-To: <BDB1EF3B-43CE-4784-95C7-38018F4BE59C@alice.it>
References: <03C3A737-8D7A-4E51-8FCF-B51BC25CF4B5@nobis.net>
	<586EDFC4-73AE-4F35-ADE3-8478F8EB75BF@nobis.net>
	<3E432AFFBFFA4A86B26F9A1AAC1D77B1@kb2m4PC>
	<B90D308C-9E1E-46BE-9F92-4B32E67B615D@mac.com>
	<08590AD72FCB4AE29E9780A074F42212@kb2m4PC>
	<BDB1EF3B-43CE-4784-95C7-38018F4BE59C@alice.it>
Message-ID: <DEA8DA66-1B16-4859-88D1-F3CDC330D023@voodoolab.com>

Oh my. I'm doing finger calisthenics & warming up the delete key. This OT storm is gonna be huge!!

73,
Josh W6XU

Sent from my mobile device

> On May 17, 2017, at 5:32 AM, Gian Luca Cazzola <glcazzola at alice.it> wrote:
> 
> Are we sure that this, remote radio,  is really again ham radio and a radio shack?
> 
> I don?t want be offensive to anybody, but I think that our community, including our associations and the contest committees, should ask ourself this question and take decisions consequently.
> 
> This kind of operating, as using 5 -10 - 20kw amplifier or ultra automated stations in contests, for contests or dx-ing is like drugs doping ? I think.
> 
> It?s only my opinion or other think the same?
> 
> Ian IK4EWX
> 
> 
> 
>> Il giorno 17 mag 2017, alle ore 14:12, Jeff <kb2m at comcast.net> ha scritto:
>> 
>> I?m not awake yet. After a cup of coffee I read through the Remote Rig RC-1216H  doc?s and now see that you DO get  some KPA500 monitoring information with this setup. Can the KPA500 and my SteppIR be monitored with one 1216H ? If so for $300 it?s starting to look like a good way to go, as I can?t do any control functions on my BigIR remotely, just control it?s frequency. I would also like to have a way to retract the antenna fully....
>> 
>> 73 Jeff kb2m
>> 
>> From: Barry Baines 
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 11:43 PM
>> To: Jeff 
>> Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net 
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] iphone remote control for the KPA500
>> 
>> Jeff: 
>> 
>> On May 16, 2017, at 8:03 PM, Jeff <kb2m at comcast.net> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Is anyone working on an iPhone remote control APP for the KPA500? 
>> 
>> Not a problem today if you use the Remote Rig RC-1216H to control the KPA500 (available through HRO).  It uses a web interface which looks just like the KPA500 front panel; the amplifier interface utilizes the RS232 serial connection, so I control my KPA500 with my iPad or MacBook running Safari or Chrome.  Likewise, I use a second Remote Rig 1216H to control my Green Heron Rotor Controller (RT-21), so I can manage my antenna pointing with the iPAD/iPhone/MacBook with ease.
>> 
>> See:  http://www.remoterig.com/wp/?page_id=1010#tabs-3
>> 
>> Note that the RC-1216H can manage various amplifiers and antenna rotators.  Unfortunately, the firmware does not support the KAT500 or the Alpha 9500.
>> 
>> The RC-1216H is an excellent device for managing compatible devices when operating remotely;  e.g. my shack is in SE Georgia and I?m in New England, Texas, etc.  
>> 
>> 
>> At this point the only devices that I must use a Windows OS is with the KAT500 and the Antenna Genius 8x2 antenna switch.  The antenna switch allows me to select which transceiver (K3 or Flex) is  active on a given port.  The Antenna Genius has a LAN connection, so I can access it relatively easily remotely and run the windows software from wherever I am.  
>> 
>> I use a serial-to-ethernet converter to interface with the KAT500 so that the computer at my location can control the KAT500 at the shack without a PC in the shack.
>> 
>> Lastly, I use the West Mountain Radio 5-port R4005i to turn on/off devices using a web interface that it has.  The allows me to remotely activate the Flex6700, control preamps and other accessories, etc.    So again, it can all be done with an iPhone/iPad/MacBook or any web-capable device.
>> 
>> To the extent that I can run a shack without running Windows and a PC, the happier I am.  
>> 
>> FWIW,
>> 
>> Barry Baines, WD4ASW
>> (Currently in Mercer, PA enroute to Hamvention?)
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I move my KPA-500 with me when I travel from my winter home to my summer home. When down south for the winter I use the KPA500 with my FLEX 6500 that has a wonderful iPhone remote control APP.  It would be nice to be able to control the KPA500 via iPhone also...
>> 
>> 73 Jeff kb2m 
>> 
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From eric at elecraft.com  Wed May 17 11:48:11 2017
From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft)
Date: Wed, 17 May 2017 08:48:11 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] REMOTE STATIONS - was Re: iphone remote control for
	the KPA500
In-Reply-To: <DEA8DA66-1B16-4859-88D1-F3CDC330D023@voodoolab.com>
References: <03C3A737-8D7A-4E51-8FCF-B51BC25CF4B5@nobis.net>
	<586EDFC4-73AE-4F35-ADE3-8478F8EB75BF@nobis.net>
	<3E432AFFBFFA4A86B26F9A1AAC1D77B1@kb2m4PC>
	<B90D308C-9E1E-46BE-9F92-4B32E67B615D@mac.com>
	<08590AD72FCB4AE29E9780A074F42212@kb2m4PC>
	<BDB1EF3B-43CE-4784-95C7-38018F4BE59C@alice.it>
	<DEA8DA66-1B16-4859-88D1-F3CDC330D023@voodoolab.com>
Message-ID: <8064EB59-B6C4-4AE3-874D-02D643132F3D@elecraft.com>

Let's end remote operating pro/con comments from this thread to keep things under control and not overload our other readers. 
73,
Eric
Moderator
(In the air on my way to Dayton with our team. See you there in Building 1!)
elecraft.com
_..._


From va3mw at portcredit.net  Wed May 17 12:00:04 2017
From: va3mw at portcredit.net (Michael Walker)
Date: Wed, 17 May 2017 12:00:04 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] iphone remote control for the KPA500
Message-ID: <CA+33ts5aUCudZ7YR+1PzPGkM6EkioM7LPR1F9mkC6HZ4jWaPdg@mail.gmail.com>

The original question was related to Web control of the KPA500.

My question to Elecraft is:

Are the commands between the hosting software and user interface software
available at the IP level?

If so, I would like to consider having someone write a web interface that
would likely reside on a Linux box.  That would host the user interface and
also talk to the Windows computer that communicates to the KPA500.

I could wireshark the data flow if required but that would be a last
resort.

Please don't hijack this thread and make it something it isn't.

73 ... also on the road to Dayton.

Mike va3mw

From k7jltextra at gmail.com  Wed May 17 12:05:30 2017
From: k7jltextra at gmail.com (John Hendricks)
Date: Wed, 17 May 2017 09:05:30 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 software downloads
In-Reply-To: <CAGUxkM4pXr1kMbGXvrhJoVyNty--OKdy105CQADTD9PNSLqt1Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGUxkM735r7x_dzw9QDo9zaQ07U4oOyqS-4sv0QvOH0tTQUOgA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGUxkM4RvzvY12=m4L8GiDXfwjZbAnL1-NfA_ZAp-cJrNri7cg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGUxkM5PeBiqSxDFqWrT_7YUarWVf=OZNJ2300aRvQh64rZYqg@mail.gmail.com>
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	<CAGUxkM5RXHo_zGcWy9j-H0XRNTdKeMkbuyB7yp8DnYyZ40+wmQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGUxkM68zLnJukrvwKx0KCjVdDqQeN0im1Y6fVZGdw2PEwi1jA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGUxkM408SrYkZGGRcD4kkDYuLpgs21FLGOdMAw6+mg8-O4pJQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGUxkM4A3eSBa=TYMkaCq0XxhnviO0avSNe-Lp_XPRGSYiO0Kg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGUxkM7fdU3YtG1LFqPbV22fy59TSw9Gq48esGHhxYT_YFeefw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGUxkM4vq_vOt_AM8uOoRd_U2K9cYZz4qTNMEWBD43GsQZfcGw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGUxkM5wYw+ze_U_FniKTvDY3pihQpv3AP9iK9PPnsXxD6zHWw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGUxkM63MJhTRi2_cjc8dFGOP8Qhm14-t5hDrejMv=gXP3NWcw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGUxkM5WdC0xgU5GSpSk10LPEvvhPYcxsg0LTDWhQY595BGM=Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGUxkM6J-aK1NUEyHL4R2HRQ_tSFdi9f9Wb1zWT6ZRF5uSJYRQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGUxkM4pXr1kMbGXvrhJoVyNty--OKdy105CQADTD9PNSLqt1Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGUxkM5Pivnsy8ywtyBQs+VZ6X_wvVya53cTtgG=spsC0hfJXg@mail.gmail.com>

I tried to copy the latest software update for a KX3 & PX3 to a USB memory
stick and could only find a zip file for a Bata load. Where are the zip
files for the current load located on the Elecraft site? Trying to update a
computer that doesn't have internet access.

John K7JLT

From k7jltextra at gmail.com  Wed May 17 12:42:10 2017
From: k7jltextra at gmail.com (John Hendricks)
Date: Wed, 17 May 2017 09:42:10 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 software downloads
In-Reply-To: <004b01d2cf29$0f104920$2d30db60$@elecraft.com>
References: <CAGUxkM735r7x_dzw9QDo9zaQ07U4oOyqS-4sv0QvOH0tTQUOgA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGUxkM4RvzvY12=m4L8GiDXfwjZbAnL1-NfA_ZAp-cJrNri7cg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGUxkM5PeBiqSxDFqWrT_7YUarWVf=OZNJ2300aRvQh64rZYqg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGUxkM6j=Sc2Rti6vvSZ3Nqvj-XUULF_GMBP+meFGmKA0tBRPQ@mail.gmail.com>
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	<CAGUxkM408SrYkZGGRcD4kkDYuLpgs21FLGOdMAw6+mg8-O4pJQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGUxkM4A3eSBa=TYMkaCq0XxhnviO0avSNe-Lp_XPRGSYiO0Kg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGUxkM7fdU3YtG1LFqPbV22fy59TSw9Gq48esGHhxYT_YFeefw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGUxkM4vq_vOt_AM8uOoRd_U2K9cYZz4qTNMEWBD43GsQZfcGw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGUxkM5wYw+ze_U_FniKTvDY3pihQpv3AP9iK9PPnsXxD6zHWw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGUxkM63MJhTRi2_cjc8dFGOP8Qhm14-t5hDrejMv=gXP3NWcw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGUxkM5WdC0xgU5GSpSk10LPEvvhPYcxsg0LTDWhQY595BGM=Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGUxkM6J-aK1NUEyHL4R2HRQ_tSFdi9f9Wb1zWT6ZRF5uSJYRQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGUxkM5Pivnsy8ywtyBQs+VZ6X_wvVya53cTtgG=spsC0hfJXg@mail.gmail.com>
	<004b01d2cf29$0f104920$2d30db60$@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <CAGUxkM4gP7J8pQ3wsGr5SBA=9n1OX8E9KczsGBULziF2swuxZw@mail.gmail.com>

I get the following message when I try that link:

Not Found

The requested URL /KX3/firmware was not found on this server.


John K7JLT

On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 9:17 AM, Dick Dievendorff <dick at elecraft.com> wrote:

> Try our ftp site.  ftp.elecraft.com/KX3/firmware.
>
> 73 de Dick, K6KR
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of John
> Hendricks
> Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 09:06
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 software downloads
>
> I tried to copy the latest software update for a KX3 & PX3 to a USB memory
> stick and could only find a zip file for a Bata load. Where are the zip
> files for the current load located on the Elecraft site? Trying to update a
> computer that doesn't have internet access.
>
> John K7JLT
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From ghyoungman at gmail.com  Wed May 17 12:47:21 2017
From: ghyoungman at gmail.com (GRANT YOUNGMAN)
Date: Wed, 17 May 2017 12:47:21 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 software downloads
In-Reply-To: <CAGUxkM4gP7J8pQ3wsGr5SBA=9n1OX8E9KczsGBULziF2swuxZw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGUxkM735r7x_dzw9QDo9zaQ07U4oOyqS-4sv0QvOH0tTQUOgA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGUxkM4RvzvY12=m4L8GiDXfwjZbAnL1-NfA_ZAp-cJrNri7cg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGUxkM5PeBiqSxDFqWrT_7YUarWVf=OZNJ2300aRvQh64rZYqg@mail.gmail.com>
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	<CAGUxkM5wYw+ze_U_FniKTvDY3pihQpv3AP9iK9PPnsXxD6zHWw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGUxkM63MJhTRi2_cjc8dFGOP8Qhm14-t5hDrejMv=gXP3NWcw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGUxkM5WdC0xgU5GSpSk10LPEvvhPYcxsg0LTDWhQY595BGM=Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGUxkM6J-aK1NUEyHL4R2HRQ_tSFdi9f9Wb1zWT6ZRF5uSJYRQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGUxkM5Pivnsy8ywtyBQs+VZ6X_wvVya53cTtgG=spsC0hfJXg@mail.gmail.com>
	<004b01d2cf29$0f104920$2d30db60$@elecraft.com>
	<CAGUxkM4gP7J8pQ3wsGr5SBA=9n1OX8E9KczsGBULziF2swuxZw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <553D4269-6E7C-4906-B4E4-D28EA72CBD6E@gmail.com>

It works just fine if you use a proper FTP client ?


> On May 17, 2017, at 12:42 PM, John Hendricks <k7jltextra at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I get the following message when I try that link:
> 
> Not Found
> 
> The requested URL /KX3/firmware was not found on this server.
> 
> 

Grant NQ5T
K3 #2091, KX3 #8342




From radnor at gmail.com  Wed May 17 12:56:11 2017
From: radnor at gmail.com (Kevin)
Date: Wed, 17 May 2017 16:56:11 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 software downloads
In-Reply-To: <CAGUxkM4gP7J8pQ3wsGr5SBA=9n1OX8E9KczsGBULziF2swuxZw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGUxkM735r7x_dzw9QDo9zaQ07U4oOyqS-4sv0QvOH0tTQUOgA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGUxkM4RvzvY12=m4L8GiDXfwjZbAnL1-NfA_ZAp-cJrNri7cg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGUxkM5PeBiqSxDFqWrT_7YUarWVf=OZNJ2300aRvQh64rZYqg@mail.gmail.com>
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	<CAGUxkM4gP7J8pQ3wsGr5SBA=9n1OX8E9KczsGBULziF2swuxZw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAD42fK-6+TAyAugwTqmtRxKacwfVQoT1gSgr38WaEwp_EFebYA@mail.gmail.com>

You need ftp:// in front of that link. This should work for you:

ftp://ftp.elecraft.com/KX3/firmware

On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 9:42 AM John Hendricks <k7jltextra at gmail.com> wrote:

> I get the following message when I try that link:
>
> Not Found
>
> The requested URL /KX3/firmware was not found on this server.
>
>
> John K7JLT
>
> On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 9:17 AM, Dick Dievendorff <dick at elecraft.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Try our ftp site.  ftp.elecraft.com/KX3/firmware.
> >
> > 73 de Dick, K6KR
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of
> John
> > Hendricks
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 09:06
> > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> > Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 software downloads
> >
> > I tried to copy the latest software update for a KX3 & PX3 to a USB
> memory
> > stick and could only find a zip file for a Bata load. Where are the zip
> > files for the current load located on the Elecraft site? Trying to
> update a
> > computer that doesn't have internet access.
> >
> > John K7JLT
>
>

From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Wed May 17 13:20:08 2017
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Wed, 17 May 2017 10:20:08 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] REMOTE STATIONS - was Re: iphone remote control for
 the KPA500
In-Reply-To: <BDB1EF3B-43CE-4784-95C7-38018F4BE59C@alice.it>
References: <03C3A737-8D7A-4E51-8FCF-B51BC25CF4B5@nobis.net>
	<586EDFC4-73AE-4F35-ADE3-8478F8EB75BF@nobis.net>
	<3E432AFFBFFA4A86B26F9A1AAC1D77B1@kb2m4PC>
	<B90D308C-9E1E-46BE-9F92-4B32E67B615D@mac.com>
	<08590AD72FCB4AE29E9780A074F42212@kb2m4PC>
	<BDB1EF3B-43CE-4784-95C7-38018F4BE59C@alice.it>
Message-ID: <8d9b4472-919c-4a51-e648-2ba3f08cd76d@audiosystemsgroup.com>

You have a highly distorted view of remote operation, which seems to be 
based on the "rent a shack" of Remote Ham Radio. I do agree that buying 
time on someone else's remote station thousands of miles from your own 
to fill in DX countries is cheating, even though it doesn't technically 
violate rules for the awards. But that's only one small fraction of 
remote operation.

What's being discussed here (I think) is setting up one's own station 
for remote operation, perhaps from a hotel room while traveling, or one 
located in a quiet location that is not bothered by RF noise from 
neighbors, and where antennas are not limited by local restrictions. 
Setting up a station for remote operation is a real engineering 
challenge, especially if there's much antenna switching involved. I have 
a great deal of respect for those hams who have successfully done so.

73, Jim K9YC

On Wed,5/17/2017 5:32 AM, Gian Luca Cazzola wrote:
> It?s only my opinion or other think the same?



From dick at elecraft.com  Wed May 17 13:45:38 2017
From: dick at elecraft.com (Dick Dievendorff)
Date: Wed, 17 May 2017 10:45:38 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 software downloads
In-Reply-To: <CAGUxkM4gP7J8pQ3wsGr5SBA=9n1OX8E9KczsGBULziF2swuxZw@mail.gmail.com>
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	<CAGUxkM6J-aK1NUEyHL4R2HRQ_tSFdi9f9Wb1zWT6ZRF5uSJYRQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGUxkM5Pivnsy8ywtyBQs+VZ6X_wvVya 53cTtgG=spsC0hfJXg@mail.gmail.com>
	<004b01d2cf29$0f104920$2d30db60$@elecraft.com>
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Message-ID: <000601d2cf35$65b20eb0$31162c10$@elecraft.com>

Another way is to use the FTP client in the KX3 and PX3 utilities. Go to the Firmware tab, navigate to the folder of your choice, and ?copy new files?. That will fetch the current production versions.  This isn?t a zip file, it?s separate files.

 

There is a procedure in KX3 Utility Help, ?Manual File Transfer? that goes though this.

 

73 de Dick, K6KR

 

 

From: John Hendricks [mailto:k7jltextra at gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 09:42
To: Dick Dievendorff <dick at elecraft.com>; elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 software downloads

 

I get the following message when I try that link:


Not Found


The requested URL /KX3/firmware was not found on this server.

 

John K7JLT

 

On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 9:17 AM, Dick Dievendorff <dick at elecraft.com <mailto:dick at elecraft.com> > wrote:

Try our ftp site.  ftp.elecraft.com/KX3/firmware <http://ftp.elecraft.com/KX3/firmware> .

73 de Dick, K6KR



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From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> ] On Behalf Of John
Hendricks
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 09:06
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net <mailto:elecraft at mailman.qth.net> 
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 software downloads

I tried to copy the latest software update for a KX3 & PX3 to a USB memory
stick and could only find a zip file for a Bata load. Where are the zip
files for the current load located on the Elecraft site? Trying to update a
computer that doesn't have internet access.

John K7JLT

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From ReillyJF at comcast.net  Wed May 17 14:05:45 2017
From: ReillyJF at comcast.net (John Reilly)
Date: Wed, 17 May 2017 12:05:45 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] [KX2] CW Repeat
Message-ID: <219f8342-1092-1e09-2c66-6372af20b2aa@comcast.net>

What is the command to use in the KX2 Utility Terminal tab, CW Memories, 
to make a message ALWAYS REPEAT?
Thanks,
   - 73, John, N0TA

From no9e at arrl.net  Wed May 17 14:07:52 2017
From: no9e at arrl.net (Ignacy)
Date: Wed, 17 May 2017 11:07:52 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 with KX-3/KXPA-100
In-Reply-To: <3fb4df0e-1eb9-6456-9546-0f7043a0790b@yahoo.com>
References: <3fb4df0e-1eb9-6456-9546-0f7043a0790b@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1495044472171-7630764.post@n2.nabble.com>

If KPA1500 uses LDMOS without too much feedback, KX3 may be able to drive
KPA1500 directly by removing the attenuator.   

Expert 1.3k-fa is sold in the US with limited gain due to FCC regulations,
but individually, each one can be modified legally by removing the
attenuator.  With the Expert is does not invalidate the warranty. My
modified Expert needs from 5 to 8 W for a KW so KX3 drives it perfectly.  

Each extra stage increases distortions and adds cables. So doing it directly
is beneficial if it can be done. 

Ignacy, NO9E  



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From kd6qzx at sbcglobal.net  Wed May 17 14:48:23 2017
From: kd6qzx at sbcglobal.net (Scott Bastian)
Date: Wed, 17 May 2017 11:48:23 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Digest, Vol 157, Issue 23
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>   1. Re: K3S CW Delay on KEY OUT ? (Don Wilhelm)
>   2. Re: K3S CW Delay on KEY OUT ? (Svend Spanget)
>   3. [KX2] can't feed with signalink (kevino z)
>   4. Re: Elecraft Digest, Vol 157, Issue 22 (N4CW at aol.com)
>   5. Macro save current  state of setting (Joe DeVincentis)
>   6.  KPA-1500 with KX-3/KXPA-100 (K5MWR)
>   7. Unequal signal form dual receive in KX3 (Ignacy)
>   8. Re: Macro save current state of setting (Don Wilhelm)
>   9. Re: Macro save current state of setting (Joe DeVincentis)
>  10. Re: KX2 Heatsink (Howard Hoyt)
>  11. Re: Hallicrafters HA-1 with O/T comments (Russ)
>  12. Re: KX3-PX3 QRP System for Sale (Robert Nobis)
>  13. [K3S] mW TX for WSPR (MaverickNH)
>  14. Re: [K3S] mW TX for WSPR (donovanf at starpower.net)
>  15. Re: [K3S] mW TX for WSPR (Charles)
>  16. iphone remote control for the KPA500 (Jeff)
>  17. Looking for more K3 firmware field testers (rev. 5.60)
>      (Wayne Burdick)
>  18. Re: KX2 Heatsink (Ignacy)
>  19. Re: iphone remote control for the KPA500 (Michael Walker)
>  20. Re: KX2 Heatsink (Don Wilhelm)
>  21. Re: [KX2] can't feed with signalink (Jack Spitznagel)
>  22. Re: iphone remote control for the KPA500 (Barry Baines)
>  23. Re: iphone remote control for the KPA500 (Michael Walker)
>  24. Re: [K3S] mW TX for WSPR (donovanf at starpower.net)
>  25. Re: iphone remote control for the KPA500 (Barry Baines)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 16 May 2017 07:46:59 -0400
> From: Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com>
> To: Svend Spanget <spanget at privat.dk>, elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S CW Delay on KEY OUT ?
> Message-ID: <9da947b0-ed83-45f2-d305-fb148d1e54ff at embarqmail.com>
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> Svend,
> 
> For the "1." problem, re-do the Transmit Gain Calibration, and be 
> certain to include the mW calibration.
> 
> As for the PTT not coming active when in transverter state, I have no 
> immediate answer, but suggest you contact K3support.
> 
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
> 
>> On 5/16/2017 4:19 AM, Svend Spanget wrote:
>> I recently connected a Kuhne TR 144 H +40 to my K3 in order to be QRV on 2 m
>> for the upcoming Sporadic E season and weak signal dx.
>> I use the KXV3 with output power set to 1.5 mW (XV1 PWR = L 1.50).
>> 
>> It works fine but I have a few issues:
>> 
>> 1. When switching on or after bandswitch the transverter is not driven to
>> full output. A short XMIT in FM mode somehow restores the output and going
>> back to SSB the output from the transverter is now as expected.
>> 
>> 2. When using VOX with SSB the transverter is not keyed. Using PTT either
>> with a footswitch or the pushbutton on my MH2 keys the transverter just
>> fine. I have a cable connected to KEY OUT and the transverter.
>> Using VOX and SSB with my Henry 2KD-5 works perfect.
>> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
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> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 16 May 2017 04:50:25 -0700 (MST)
> From: Svend Spanget <spanget at privat.dk>
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S CW Delay on KEY OUT ?
> Message-ID: <0D.07.11511.A77EA195 at n9>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> 
> Thanks, Don.
> 
> I already did both without any luck...
> 
> ----- Original meddelelse -----
> 
>> Fra: Don Wilhelm [via Elecraft] <ml+s365791n7630718h41 at n2.nabble.com>
>> Til: Svend Spanget <spanget at privat.dk>
>> Dato: Tir, 16. maj 2017 13:48
>> Emne: Re: K3S CW Delay on KEY OUT ?
>> 
>> Svend, For the "1." problem, re-do the Transmit Gain Calibration, and
>> be certain to include the mW calibration. As for the PTT not coming
>> active when in transverter state, I have no immediate answer, but
>> suggest you contact K3support. 73, Don W3FPR On 5/16/2017 4:19 AM,
>> Svend Spanget wrote: > I recently connected a Kuhne TR 144 H +40 to
>> my K3 in order to be QRV on 2 m > for the upcoming Sporadic E season
>> and weak signal dx. > I use the KXV3 with output power set to 1.5 mW
>> (XV1 PWR = L 1.50). > > It works fine but I have a few issues: > > 1.
>> When switching on or after bandswitch the transverter is not driven
>> to > full output. A short XMIT in FM mode somehow restores the output
>> and going > back to SSB the output from the transverter is now as
>> expected. > > 2. When using VOX with SSB the transverter is not
>> keyed. Using PTT either > with a footswitch or the pushbutton on my
>> MH2 keys the transverter just > fine. I have a cable connected to KEY
>> OUT and the transverter. > Using VOX and SSB with my Henry 2KD-5
>> works perfect. >
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> From: kevino z <z_kevino at hotmail.com>
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> Subject: [Elecraft] [KX2] can't feed with signalink
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> I took my KX2 with me instead of my KX3. I hooked up the signalink exactly the same. However, when the signalink starts "transmitting" (i.e. PTT red LED lit), the KX2 is not transmitting, and when the signalink finishes, the KX2 displays "connect data to mic jack." 
> 
> I searched on the web and didn't see a clue. Can someone please tell me what is this about and how do I get the signalink to work with the KX2? 
> 
> And maybe Elecraft can possible document this error in a FAQ or user manual?
> 
> Thanks 
> -Kevin (KK4YEL)
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> In a message dated 5/16/2017 4:28:05 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
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> I will  be driving from Dayton back to Wake Forest, NC, so a few extra 
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> Bert, N4CW
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> Message: 5
> Date: Tue, 16 May 2017 07:25:47 -0500
> From: Joe DeVincentis <jd at ko8v.net>
> To: Elecraft Mailing List <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: [Elecraft] Macro save current  state of setting
> Message-ID: <E6742B63-06A6-49CF-8EB7-6042A3B7A910 at ko8v.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
> 
> Is there a way to have the K3 save a setting in a macro to restore for later use?  I got this idea after seeing Wayne?s post about the new Delay command.
> 
> I want this for a K-Pod button to do a quick squirt of RF for the auto-tuner.  The tuner senses the RF and then goes to a preset.  So I?d like the button to do the following.  
> 
>  Save the current Tune Power Setting
>  Change the Tune Power Setting to 10w
>  Delay 10ms
>  Initiate Tune
>  Delay 100ms
>  Stop Tune
>  Reset the Tune Power Setting to the previous setting
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Joe
> KO8V
> 
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> Message: 6
> Date: Tue, 16 May 2017 07:34:38 -0500
> From: K5MWR <K5MWR_VNA at yahoo.com>
> To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [Elecraft]  KPA-1500 with KX-3/KXPA-100
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> How integrated will the KPA-1500 be with the KX-3/KXPA-100 system?
> 
> Thanks
> Dave K5MWR
> 
> 
> 
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> Message: 7
> Date: Tue, 16 May 2017 06:31:41 -0700 (MST)
> From: Ignacy <no9e at arrl.net>
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [Elecraft] Unequal signal form dual receive in KX3
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> 
> With dual receive, my KX3 has different gains from VFO A and B. This is
> easily heard when switching pressing A/B. When in dual receive, a weak
> station in VFO B may disappear as VFO B. 
> 
> I do not hear this in K3. When A/B switching, the signals just change sides. 
> 
> Any workaround? 
> 
> Ignacy, NO9E
> 
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> Message: 8
> Date: Tue, 16 May 2017 09:34:01 -0400
> From: Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com>
> To: Joe DeVincentis <jd at ko8v.net>,    Elecraft Mailing List
>    <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Macro save current state of setting
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> 
> Joe,
> 
> Your problem is that Macros cannot read anything and save it.  They can 
> only initiate things.  Setting the power to 10 watts and initiating a 
> TUNE is quite possible (and even spelled out in the Macro examples in 
> the K3 Programmer's Reference), but getting the power back to wherever 
> it was previously set is the difficult part.  you could restore the 
> power to some predetermined level - say 100 watts.
> 
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
> 
>> On 5/16/2017 8:25 AM, Joe DeVincentis wrote:
>> Is there a way to have the K3 save a setting in a macro to restore for later use?  I got this idea after seeing Wayne?s post about the new Delay command.
>> 
>> I want this for a K-Pod button to do a quick squirt of RF for the auto-tuner.  The tuner senses the RF and then goes to a preset.  So I?d like the button to do the following.
>> 
>>   Save the current Tune Power Setting
>>   Change the Tune Power Setting to 10w
>>   Delay 10ms
>>   Initiate Tune
>>   Delay 100ms
>>   Stop Tune
>>   Reset the Tune Power Setting to the previous setting
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Joe
>> KO8V
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> Date: Tue, 16 May 2017 09:17:21 -0500
> From: Joe DeVincentis <jd at ko8v.net>
> To: Elecraft Mailing List <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Macro save current state of setting
> Message-ID: <4D506394-7514-49A1-BDEE-75F82F84C043 at ko8v.net>
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> 
> I figured that - I was hoping for some magic :-)  Maybe Elecraft can implement a push/pop stack feature.  For example:
> 
> PUSH TUN - save tune power
> PUSH AG - save audio gain - just for grins - it?s an example
> TUN 10
> AG 0
> SWH 16 - initiate TUNE
> DE 10 - wait 100ms
> SWH 16 stop tune
> POP AG - restore tune
> POP TUN - restore tune power.
> 
> That?s the dream.  I know I?d like it.
> 
> 73,
> Joe KO8V
> 
>> On May 16, 2017, at 8:34 AM, Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Joe,
>> 
>> Your problem is that Macros cannot read anything and save it.  They can only initiate things.  Setting the power to 10 watts and initiating a TUNE is quite possible (and even spelled out in the Macro examples in the K3 Programmer's Reference), but getting the power back to wherever it was previously set is the difficult part.  you could restore the power to some predetermined level - say 100 watts.
>> 
>> 73,
>> Don W3FPR
>> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 10
> Date: Tue, 16 May 2017 10:22:23 -0400
> From: Howard Hoyt <hhoyt at mebtel.net>
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX2 Heatsink
> Message-ID: <f6f0e303-e344-156c-2716-e96b495b171e at mebtel.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed
> 
> Leroy,
> 
> Many of us experienced exactly what you described: banning without 
> notice and no replies from the moderator.  I despise that method of 
> running a list and no member has been treated that way since I became 
> moderator of the Yahoo KX3 KX User Group in late May 2015 and I believe 
> all here who are also on the KX3 list will agree.  So I say again, your 
> recollection of the timing of that event is in error.
> 
> I also checked the email logs for the account: kx3-owner at yahoogroups.com
> and see no email from your email account in 2017.  Please forward a copy 
> so I can respond properly.
> 
> Howie - WA4PSC
> 
> 
> 
>> On 5/16/2017 4:19 AM, elecraft-request at mailman.qth.net wrote:
>> You should know it was a year ago that I was banned from the KX3 list for
>> mentioning a heat sink.  I  just two months ago emailed the list moderator, no response.
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 11
> Date: Tue, 16 May 2017 14:28:33 +0000
> From: Russ <Mundschenk55 at msn.com>
> To: Doug Person <doug at k0dxv.com>, "elecraft at mailman.qth.net"
>    <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Hallicrafters HA-1 with O/T comments
> Message-ID:
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>    
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> 
> Doug:
> 
> You are correct - and it seems that Maker Ffaires might be the venue for amateur radio outreach to the younger generation.
> When I am retired, I certainly would like to be part of this initiative.  Is this something the ARRL should look at?
> I am happy to say that I am an Elmer to KB1YNK, who presented a paper at Dayton a couple of years ago.
> 
> Russ KD4JO
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Doug Person
> Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 10:15 PM
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Hallicrafters HA-1 with O/T comments
> 
> You are very mistaken in your statement regarding kids not building things.  They're not building ham radio, that's for sure.  But find any maker faire and you will be stunned by the age and ability of the kids demonstrating their projects.  Maker Faires (Their preferred spelling it
> seems) would be a great place to communicate ham radio to the younger generation. Arduino and Raspberry PI have enormous followings by teenagers and even a lot of pre-teens. Don't write them off! Our community has done a poor job of out reach to the teens of today.
> 
> Doug -- K0DXV
> 
> 
>> On 5/15/2017 11:27 AM, Russ wrote:
>> Guys:
>> 
>> Thanks!!!
>> I appreciate all the responses.
>> I guess my Googling ability is not as good as it used to be.
>> I swear I couldn't find the schematic.
>> 
>> At age 15 and after building many Heathkits - I decided to just copy the HA-1 schematic.
>> It was good experience for a kid - nowadays nobody (no kids anyway) 
>> build hardware
>> 
>> Russ KD4JO
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> Message: 12
> Date: Tue, 16 May 2017 11:25:23 -0700
> From: Robert Nobis <n7rjn at nobis.net>
> To: pkhjr via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3-PX3 QRP System for Sale
> Message-ID: <586EDFC4-73AE-4F35-ADE3-8478F8EB75BF at nobis.net>
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> This KX3-PX3 system has been sold.
> 
> 73,
> 
> 
> Bob Nobis 
> n7rjn at nobis.net
> 
> 
>> On May 15, 2017, at 08:07, Robert Nobis <N7RJN at nobis.net> wrote:
>> 
>> I am no longer able to operate portable, so am selling my factory built Elecraft KX3 and PX3 QRP system. The KX3 was recently calibrated, tested and updated with the latest firmware (MCU 2.76/DSP 1.50) at the Elecraft factory. Used on two field trips to Japan. No smoking environment. The equipment is configured as follows:
>> 
>> 
>> KX3-F Factory Assembled KX3 (ser # 7486 )
>> KXAT3-F Internal 20W ATU
>> KXBC3-F Internal NiMH charger with Real-time clock
>> KXFL3-F Dual Passband Roofing Filter
>> KX3-PCKT Accessory Cable Kit
>> PAE-KX31 Pro Audio KX3 Heatsink
>> PAE-KX33 Pro Audio KX3 Power Supply
>> 33-100 KX3-PX3 Power Splitter
>> Side KX3 KX3 End Panels (Gems Products)
>> 
>> PX3-F Panadapter for KX3 with cables - Factory Assembled (Ser # 1059 )
>> Side PX3 PX3 End Panels (Gems Products)
>> 
>> SideKar QRP Works SideKar with Power Splitter?
>> 
>> 
>> All manuals are included. I am looking for $2,150.00 for the complete system. I will pay for shipping to CONUS only. Payment by PayPal only.
>> 
>> Email me at N7RJN at nobis.net <mailto:N7RJN at nobis.net> for more details.
>> 
>> 
>> Robert (Bob) Nobis ? N7RJN
>> 
>> 
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> Message: 13
> Date: Tue, 16 May 2017 11:37:31 -0700 (MST)
> From: MaverickNH <cbjesseeNH at comcast.net>
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [Elecraft] [K3S] mW TX for WSPR
> Message-ID: <1494959851181-7630731.post at n2.nabble.com>
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> I'm trying to fiddle the TX power on my K3S using WSJT-X WSPR 1.7 on a 43ft
> Vertical to match the 200 mW output of a WSPRlite over a random wire dipole
> antenna, using the DXplorer.net simultaneous RX measurement system
> https://tinyurl.com/mthms72 . Is TX wattage continuous with rotation of the
> PWR knob? It has 0.1W decrements and I seem to find equal performance
> between 0.6 and 0.7W on the K3S and was curious if halfway between 0.6 and
> 0.7W as I rotate the knob is 0.65W? I can imagine precision of TX power
> isn't accurate to more than +/1 0.1W but thought I'd inquire.
> 
> Bret/N4SRN
> 
> 
> 
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> Message: 14
> Date: Tue, 16 May 2017 17:40:31 -0400 (EDT)
> From: donovanf at starpower.net
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [K3S] mW TX for WSPR
> Message-ID:
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> 
> Hi Bret, 
> 
> 
> When using the DXplorer.net simultaneous receive measurement 
> system, its best if you have the capability to start your testing 
> by simultaneously transmitting through a Magic-T combiner 
> into a single antenna. 
> 
> 
> In less than 30 minutes you'll have enough data from DXplorer.net 
> to calibrate out any power output difference between the two 
> transmitters. After you've completed the calibration you're ready 
> to connect each WSPR transmitter to the antennas under test. 
> 
> 
> 73 
> Frank 
> W3LPL 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> 
> From: "MaverickNH" <cbjesseeNH at comcast.net> 
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 6:37:31 PM 
> Subject: [Elecraft] [K3S] mW TX for WSPR 
> 
> I'm trying to fiddle the TX power on my K3S using WSJT-X WSPR 1.7 on a 43ft 
> Vertical to match the 200 mW output of a WSPRlite over a random wire dipole 
> antenna, using the DXplorer.net simultaneous RX measurement system 
> https://tinyurl.com/mthms72 . Is TX wattage continuous with rotation of the 
> PWR knob? It has 0.1W decrements and I seem to find equal performance 
> between 0.6 and 0.7W on the K3S and was curious if halfway between 0.6 and 
> 0.7W as I rotate the knob is 0.65W? I can imagine precision of TX power 
> isn't accurate to more than +/1 0.1W but thought I'd inquire. 
> 
> Bret/N4SRN 
> 
> 
> 
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> Message: 15
> Date: Tue, 16 May 2017 22:40:09 +0000 (UTC)
> From: Charles <cbjesseenh at comcast.net>
> To: donovanf at starpower.net
> Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [K3S] mW TX for WSPR
> Message-ID:
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> 
> Hi Frank, 
> 
> I think I see what you are suggesting - matching the power transmitted by each transceiver over a common antenna to assure I'm feeding two different antennas with the same TX power? 
> 
> I'm finding a Magic-T RX Splitter/Combiner https://www.dxengineering.com/parts/svp-sv-rsc-50 Can I use this to transmit as well? I'd like to give your plan a try. 
> 
> I was looking at the problem from a different perspective perhaps. Since the WSPRlite is a low output TXer (variable over 16 dB range up to 200mW, so I think that means 5mW to 200mW) I was looking to set that at 200mW on my random dipole antenna (two random wires, one E-W and the other W-E, joined by a 4:1 balun) and try to figure what power on my nearby 43ft Vertical gave the same profile on DXplorer.net. 
> 
> I think comparing a dipole to a vertical might be a interesting task, as it appears one is more "efficient" at night and the other during the day. The DX10 lines seem to invert at dawn and dusk on 40m. Two completely different antennas types cannot be equivalent a priori , I suppose! 
> 
> BRET/N4SRN 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> 
> From: donovanf at starpower.net 
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 5:40:31 PM 
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [K3S] mW TX for WSPR 
> 
> Hi Bret, 
> 
> When using the DXplorer.net simultaneous receive measurement 
> system, its best if you have the capability to start your testing 
> by simultaneously transmitting through a Magic-T combiner 
> into a single antenna. 
> 
> In less than 30 minutes you'll have enough data from DXplorer.net 
> to calibrate out any power output difference between the two 
> transmitters. After you've completed the calibration you're ready 
> to connect each WSPR transmitter to the antennas under test. 
> 
> 73 
> Frank 
> W3LPL 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> 
> From: "MaverickNH" <cbjesseeNH at comcast.net> 
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 6:37:31 PM 
> Subject: [Elecraft] [K3S] mW TX for WSPR 
> 
> I'm trying to fiddle the TX power on my K3S using WSJT-X WSPR 1.7 on a 43ft 
> Vertical to match the 200 mW output of a WSPRlite over a random wire dipole 
> antenna, using the DXplorer.net simultaneous RX measurement system 
> https://tinyurl.com/mthms72 . Is TX wattage continuous with rotation of the 
> PWR knob? It has 0.1W decrements and I seem to find equal performance 
> between 0.6 and 0.7W on the K3S and was curious if halfway between 0.6 and 
> 0.7W as I rotate the knob is 0.65W? I can imagine precision of TX power 
> isn't accurate to more than +/1 0.1W but thought I'd inquire. 
> 
> Bret/N4SRN 
> 
> 
> 
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> Message: 16
> Date: Tue, 16 May 2017 20:03:45 -0400
> From: "Jeff" <kb2m at comcast.net>
> To: <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: [Elecraft] iphone remote control for the KPA500
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> 
> 
> Is anyone working on an iPhone remote control APP for the KPA500? I move my 
> KPA-500 with me when I travel from my winter home to my summer home. When 
> down south for the winter I use the KPA500 with my FLEX 6500 that has a 
> wonderful iPhone remote control APP.  It would be nice to be able to control 
> the KPA500 via iPhone also...
> 
> 73 Jeff kb2m 
> 
> 
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> Message: 17
> Date: Tue, 16 May 2017 18:45:43 -0700
> From: Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com>
> To: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Cc: elecraft_k3 at yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Elecraft] Looking for more K3 firmware field testers (rev.
>    5.60)
> Message-ID: <E7D4F25F-DAA4-444B-83F9-1DC96FFE0964 at elecraft.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> All reports so far show that K3 field test firmware rev. 5.60 has greatly improved operation of macros, in particular when used with the K-Pod.
> 
> But we could use a lot more testers to make sure everything else is working perfectly. If you could spare some time in the next day or two, please email me and I?ll send you the firmware.
> 
> Thanks & 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 18
> Date: Tue, 16 May 2017 18:52:51 -0700 (MST)
> From: Ignacy <no9e at arrl.net>
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX2 Heatsink
> Message-ID: <1494985971035-7630736.post at n2.nabble.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> 
> I posted quite a few messages to the KX3 group on Yahoo. Some of them over a
> year ago were lost. I asked Howie and he responded that he deleted nothing.
> It seems that past May of last year, none of my posts made. My messages to
> other groups on yahoo make it, the last one yesterday. 
> 
> Not sure what it is. Many "free" websites now change designs, often for the
> worse to a user, to generate more advertising. Perhaps it is due to an ad
> blocker with a specific browser.
> 
> Ignacy, NO9E
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> Message: 19
> Date: Tue, 16 May 2017 22:06:11 -0400
> From: Michael Walker <va3mw at portcredit.net>
> To: "Elecraft at mailman.qth.net" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] iphone remote control for the KPA500
> Message-ID:
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> 
> I agree as I use mine with my 6300 exclusively remote.
> 
> I could live with a simple web page which is what I do now with PSTRotator
> for Rotor control and RemoteQTH server which I use for remote buttons.
> 
> I would only need to be able to see it's status and alarms. I don't require
> real time power information.
> 
> If it was a small web view, then it could run on most platforms and there
> would be no need for the Android, IOS, Desktop versions for those of us who
> live the live of the long mic cord.
> 
> I would include  screen shots, but I think they get purged.
> 
> Mike va3mw
> 
> 
>> On Tue, May 16, 2017 at 8:03 PM, Jeff <kb2m at comcast.net> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Is anyone working on an iPhone remote control APP for the KPA500? I move
>> my KPA-500 with me when I travel from my winter home to my summer home.
>> When down south for the winter I use the KPA500 with my FLEX 6500 that has
>> a wonderful iPhone remote control APP.  It would be nice to be able to
>> control the KPA500 via iPhone also...
>> 
>> 73 Jeff kb2m
>> 
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> Message: 20
> Date: Tue, 16 May 2017 22:30:23 -0400
> From: Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com>
> To: Ignacy <no9e at arrl.net>, elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX2 Heatsink
> Message-ID: <973d355e-67c5-edd2-28d4-b1b343626678 at embarqmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
> 
> Ignacy,
> 
> If those posts were responses to posts, then know that "Reply" goes only 
> to the sender.  You must do "Reply All" to send to the group and to the 
> sender.  If you do not want to reply to the sender, delete that address.
> 
> The KX3 Yahoo Group works differently than many other groups.  I worked 
> with the moderator to make replying to only the poster possible without 
> "jumping through hoops", and the result is the best he could accomplish.
> 
> Look at the "To" line in your responses.
> 
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
> 
>> On 5/16/2017 9:52 PM, Ignacy wrote:
>> I posted quite a few messages to the KX3 group on Yahoo. Some of them over a
>> year ago were lost. I asked Howie and he responded that he deleted nothing.
>> It seems that past May of last year, none of my posts made. My messages to
>> other groups on yahoo make it, the last one yesterday.
>> 
>> Not sure what it is. Many "free" websites now change designs, often for the
>> worse to a user, to generate more advertising. Perhaps it is due to an ad
>> blocker with a specific browser.
>> 
>> Ignacy, NO9E
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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> Message: 21
> Date: Tue, 16 May 2017 23:04:37 -0400
> From: Jack Spitznagel <sancho at frawg.org>
> To: kevino z <z_kevino at hotmail.com>
> Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [KX2] can't feed with signalink
> Message-ID: <FC7882EC-9D12-479B-8C26-9BA1B2114728 at frawg.org>
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> 
> Hi Kevin,
> 
> That would be odd. You should not need to set VOX since the SLUSB has one. I wonder if the header wires came out of the interface DIP socket? I set up several plug-in DIPs that are soldered up for the several rigs that I use. I had the wires fall out while traveling.
> 
> Jack KD4IZ 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On May 16, 2017, at 16:11, kevino z <z_kevino at hotmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Yes, Data A and  even VOX
>> 
>> 
>> -----
>> The problem with the world is that the intelligent people are full of doubts, while the stupid ones are full of confidence.
>> 
>>> On May 16, 2017, at 07:26, Jack Spitznagel <sancho at frawg.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Kev.
>>> 
>>> Are you set to use DATA A? Most common reason for KX3 not working and assuming similar for KX2.
>>> 
>>> Jack KD4IZ 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>>> On May 16, 2017, at 07:52, kevino z <z_kevino at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I took my KX2 with me instead of my KX3. I hooked up the signalink exactly the same. However, when the signalink starts "transmitting" (i.e. PTT red LED lit), the KX2 is not transmitting, and when the signalink finishes, the KX2 displays "connect data to mic jack." 
>>>> 
>>>> I searched on the web and didn't see a clue. Can someone please tell me what is this about and how do I get the signalink to work with the KX2? 
>>>> 
>>>> And maybe Elecraft can possible document this error in a FAQ or user manual?
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks 
>>>> -Kevin (KK4YEL)
>>>> 
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> Message: 22
> Date: Tue, 16 May 2017 23:43:38 -0400
> From: Barry Baines <bbaines at mac.com>
> To: Jeff <kb2m at arrl.net>
> Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] iphone remote control for the KPA500
> Message-ID: <B90D308C-9E1E-46BE-9F92-4B32E67B615D at mac.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset=utf-8
> 
> Jeff:
> 
>> On May 16, 2017, at 8:03 PM, Jeff <kb2m at comcast.net> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Is anyone working on an iPhone remote control APP for the KPA500?
> 
> Not a problem today if you use the Remote Rig RC-1216H to control the KPA500 (available through HRO).  It uses a web interface which looks just like the KPA500 front panel; the amplifier interface utilizes the RS232 serial connection, so I control my KPA500 with my iPad or MacBook running Safari or Chrome.  Likewise, I use a second Remote Rig 1216H to control my Green Heron Rotor Controller (RT-21), so I can manage my antenna pointing with the iPAD/iPhone/MacBook with ease.
> 
> See:  http://www.remoterig.com/wp/?page_id=1010#tabs-3 <http://www.remoterig.com/wp/?page_id=1010#tabs-3>
> 
> Note that the RC-1216H can manage various amplifiers and antenna rotators.  Unfortunately, the firmware does not support the KAT500 or the Alpha 9500.
> 
> The RC-1216H is an excellent device for managing compatible devices when operating remotely;  e.g. my shack is in SE Georgia and I?m in New England, Texas, etc.  
> 
> 
> At this point the only devices that I must use a Windows OS is with the KAT500 and the Antenna Genius 8x2 antenna switch.  The antenna switch allows me to select which transceiver (K3 or Flex) is  active on a given port.  The Antenna Genius has a LAN connection, so I can access it relatively easily remotely and run the windows software from wherever I am.  
> 
> I use a serial-to-ethernet converter to interface with the KAT500 so that the computer at my location can control the KAT500 at the shack without a PC in the shack.
> 
> Lastly, I use the West Mountain Radio 5-port R4005i to turn on/off devices using a web interface that it has.  The allows me to remotely activate the Flex6700, control preamps and other accessories, etc.    So again, it can all be done with an iPhone/iPad/MacBook or any web-capable device.
> 
> To the extent that I can run a shack without running Windows and a PC, the happier I am.  
> 
> FWIW,
> 
> Barry Baines, WD4ASW
> (Currently in Mercer, PA enroute to Hamvention?)
> 
> 
>> I move my KPA-500 with me when I travel from my winter home to my summer home. When down south for the winter I use the KPA500 with my FLEX 6500 that has a wonderful iPhone remote control APP.  It would be nice to be able to control the KPA500 via iPhone also...
>> 
>> 73 Jeff kb2m 
>> 
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> Message: 23
> Date: Tue, 16 May 2017 23:58:06 -0400
> From: Michael Walker <va3mw at portcredit.net>
> To: Barry Baines <bbaines at mac.com>
> Cc: Jeff <kb2m at arrl.net>, "Elecraft at mailman.qth.net"
>    <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] iphone remote control for the KPA500
> Message-ID:
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
> 
> Hi Barry
> 
> I have 2 RemoteRig pairs as I used to use them on my TS480's (I've been
> running remote for about 11 years now).  I am now running remote with the
> Flex Maestro and the 6300 and that works wonderfully.    I'll likely sell
> both of them at some point in the future.  They did serve me very well.
> 
> I would also then have to buy the RC-1216 and that turns out to be about
> $500 CDN for just essentially a web server.  That is going to take some
> thought.
> 
> Since my internet upload is about 1mb/sec at the remote base, I really
> limit how much I push up.  I have 1 computer that I RDP into for all my
> command and control.  I did do serial tunneling one year, but then it
> locked me into only 1 operating QTH.
> 
> Now, I can operate my HF station from anywhere with just a laptop or even
> IOS mobile (yes, that is a stretch, but fun to try).  Having a web
> interface just makes it very platform agnostic especially if I want one of
> my buddies to give my station a try.
> 
> Does Elecraft publish the host IP commands on the KPA500 server?  If they
> do, I was not able to find them.  I have a guy that I might be able to
> convince to write me an interface.  It will cost me some $$ to make it
> happen.
> 
> Thanks for the ideas!  Lots of wonderful options.
> 
> Mike va3mw
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Tue, May 16, 2017 at 11:43 PM, Barry Baines <bbaines at mac.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Jeff:
>> 
>>> On May 16, 2017, at 8:03 PM, Jeff <kb2m at comcast.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Is anyone working on an iPhone remote control APP for the KPA500?
>> 
>> Not a problem today if you use the Remote Rig RC-1216H to control the
>> KPA500 (available through HRO).  It uses a web interface which looks just
>> like the KPA500 front panel; the amplifier interface utilizes the RS232
>> serial connection, so I control my KPA500 with my iPad or MacBook running
>> Safari or Chrome.  Likewise, I use a second Remote Rig 1216H to control my
>> Green Heron Rotor Controller (RT-21), so I can manage my antenna pointing
>> with the iPAD/iPhone/MacBook with ease.
>> 
>> See:  http://www.remoterig.com/wp/?page_id=1010#tabs-3 <
>> http://www.remoterig.com/wp/?page_id=1010#tabs-3>
>> 
>> Note that the RC-1216H can manage various amplifiers and antenna
>> rotators.  Unfortunately, the firmware does not support the KAT500 or the
>> Alpha 9500.
>> 
>> The RC-1216H is an excellent device for managing compatible devices when
>> operating remotely;  e.g. my shack is in SE Georgia and I?m in New England,
>> Texas, etc.
>> 
>> 
>> At this point the only devices that I must use a Windows OS is with the
>> KAT500 and the Antenna Genius 8x2 antenna switch.  The antenna switch
>> allows me to select which transceiver (K3 or Flex) is  active on a given
>> port.  The Antenna Genius has a LAN connection, so I can access it
>> relatively easily remotely and run the windows software from wherever I am.
>> 
>> I use a serial-to-ethernet converter to interface with the KAT500 so that
>> the computer at my location can control the KAT500 at the shack without a
>> PC in the shack.
>> 
>> Lastly, I use the West Mountain Radio 5-port R4005i to turn on/off devices
>> using a web interface that it has.  The allows me to remotely activate the
>> Flex6700, control preamps and other accessories, etc.    So again, it can
>> all be done with an iPhone/iPad/MacBook or any web-capable device.
>> 
>> To the extent that I can run a shack without running Windows and a PC, the
>> happier I am.
>> 
>> FWIW,
>> 
>> Barry Baines, WD4ASW
>> (Currently in Mercer, PA enroute to Hamvention?)
>> 
>> 
>>> I move my KPA-500 with me when I travel from my winter home to my summer
>> home. When down south for the winter I use the KPA500 with my FLEX 6500
>> that has a wonderful iPhone remote control APP.  It would be nice to be
>> able to control the KPA500 via iPhone also...
>>> 
>>> 73 Jeff kb2m
>>> 
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> Message: 24
> Date: Wed, 17 May 2017 00:48:12 -0400 (EDT)
> From: donovanf at starpower.net
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [K3S] mW TX for WSPR
> Message-ID:
>    <1345171135.42072.1494996492063.JavaMail.root at starpower.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
> 
> The DX Engineering Magic-T combiner should work fine. 
> Just be sure you don't too much power into it! Much less than 
> one watt. 
> 
> 
> The dual receive feature of DXplorer should do the trick for you. 
> 
> 
> Same polarization antennas produce almost immediate good 
> performance evaluation results. Evaluating the performance of 
> antennas with different polarizations might take some effort. 
> 
> 
> 73 
> Frank 
> W3LPL 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> 
> From: "Charles" <cbjesseenh at comcast.net> 
> To: donovanf at starpower.net 
> Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 10:40:09 PM 
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [K3S] mW TX for WSPR 
> 
> 
> 
> Hi Frank, 
> 
> 
> 
> I think I see what you are suggesting - matching the power transmitted by each transceiver over a common antenna to assure I'm feeding two different antennas with the same TX power? 
> 
> 
> I'm finding a Magic-T RX Splitter/Combiner https://www.dxengineering.com/parts/svp-sv-rsc-50 Can I use this to transmit as well? I'd like to give your plan a try. 
> 
> 
> 
> I was looking at the problem from a different perspective perhaps. Since the WSPRlite is a low output TXer (variable over 16 dB range up to 200mW, so I think that means 5mW to 200mW) I was looking to set that at 200mW on my random dipole antenna (two random wires, one E-W and the other W-E, joined by a 4:1 balun) and try to figure what power on my nearby 43ft Vertical gave the same profile on DXplorer.net. 
> 
> 
> 
> I think comparing a dipole to a vertical might be a interesting task, as it appears one is more "efficient" at night and the other during the day. The DX10 lines seem to invert at dawn and dusk on 40m. Two completely different antennas types cannot be equivalent a priori , I suppose! 
> 
> 
> 
> BRET/N4SRN 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> 
> From: donovanf at starpower.net 
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 5:40:31 PM 
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [K3S] mW TX for WSPR 
> 
> 
> 
> Hi Bret, 
> 
> 
> When using the DXplorer.net simultaneous receive measurement 
> system, its best if you have the capability to start your testing 
> by simultaneously transmitting through a Magic-T combiner 
> into a single antenna. 
> 
> 
> In less than 30 minutes you'll have enough data from DXplorer.net 
> to calibrate out any power output difference between the two 
> transmitters. After you've completed the calibration you're ready 
> to connect each WSPR transmitter to the antennas under test. 
> 
> 
> 73 
> Frank 
> W3LPL 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> 
> From: "MaverickNH" <cbjesseeNH at comcast.net> 
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 6:37:31 PM 
> Subject: [Elecraft] [K3S] mW TX for WSPR 
> 
> 
> I'm trying to fiddle the TX power on my K3S using WSJT-X WSPR 1.7 on a 43ft 
> Vertical to match the 200 mW output of a WSPRlite over a random wire dipole 
> antenna, using the DXplorer.net simultaneous RX measurement system 
> https://tinyurl.com/mthms72 . Is TX wattage continuous with rotation of the 
> PWR knob? It has 0.1W decrements and I seem to find equal performance 
> between 0.6 and 0.7W on the K3S and was curious if halfway between 0.6 and 
> 0.7W as I rotate the knob is 0.65W? I can imagine precision of TX power 
> isn't accurate to more than +/1 0.1W but thought I'd inquire. 
> 
> 
> Bret/N4SRN 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> Message: 25
> Date: Wed, 17 May 2017 00:52:13 -0400
> From: Barry Baines <bbaines at mac.com>
> To: Michael Walker <va3mw at portcredit.net>
> Cc: Jeff <kb2m at arrl.net>, "Elecraft at mailman.qth.net"
>    <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] iphone remote control for the KPA500
> Message-ID: <43A76B41-DEE9-410E-8C06-45621B832DB1 at mac.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
> 
> MikeL
> 
> 
>> On May 16, 2017, at 11:58 PM, Michael Walker <va3mw at portcredit.net> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Barry
>> 
>> I have 2 RemoteRig pairs as I used to use them on my TS480's (I've been running remote for about 11 years now).  I am now running remote with the Flex Maestro and the 6300 and that works wonderfully.    I'll likely sell both of them at some point in the future.  They did serve me very well.
>> 
>> I would also then have to buy the RC-1216 and that turns out to be about $500 CDN for just essentially a web server.  That is going to take some thought.
> 
> It boils down to cost vs. benefit.  I invested in two RC-1216H units because I really wanted to stay away from using a PC in the shack.  Since the station is over 1,200 miles from where I would access it, eliminating a shack computer really can improve system reliability.  A failure in the shack due to PC problems not only raises the question of what the status of the RF equipment is, but also means it could be several months before I?m back on the property to resolve any issues.  
>> 
>> Since my internet upload is about 1mb/sec at the remote base, I really limit how much I push up.  I have 1 computer that I RDP into for all my command and control.  I did do serial tunneling one year, but then it locked me into only 1 operating QTH.  
> 
> My station in rural SE Georgia currently has 1.2 mb/sec upload/ 20 MB download through Windstream.    I have no problem running the K3 and K3/IO-mini with Remote Rig plus the two RC-1216Hs for the KPA500 and rotor control on such a network connection.   
> 
>> 
>> Now, I can operate my HF station from anywhere with just a laptop or even IOS mobile (yes, that is a stretch, but fun to try).  Having a web interface just makes it very platform agnostic especially if I want one of my buddies to give my station a try.
>> 
>> Does Elecraft publish the host IP commands on the KPA500 server? 
> 
> Don?t know?.
> 
> 
>> If they do, I was not able to find them.  I have a guy that I might be able to convince to write me an interface.  It will cost me some $$ to make it happen.
>> 
>> Thanks for the ideas!  Lots of wonderful options.
> 
> Enjoy,
> 
> Barry
> WD4ASW
> 
> 
>> 
>> 
>> Mike va3mw
>> 
> 
> 
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From jimk0xu at gmail.com  Wed May 17 15:25:31 2017
From: jimk0xu at gmail.com (Jim Rhodes)
Date: Wed, 17 May 2017 14:25:31 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] REMOTE STATIONS - was Re: iphone remote control for
 the KPA500
In-Reply-To: <BDB1EF3B-43CE-4784-95C7-38018F4BE59C@alice.it>
References: <03C3A737-8D7A-4E51-8FCF-B51BC25CF4B5@nobis.net>
	<586EDFC4-73AE-4F35-ADE3-8478F8EB75BF@nobis.net>
	<3E432AFFBFFA4A86B26F9A1AAC1D77B1@kb2m4PC>
	<B90D308C-9E1E-46BE-9F92-4B32E67B615D@mac.com>
	<08590AD72FCB4AE29E9780A074F42212@kb2m4PC>
	<BDB1EF3B-43CE-4784-95C7-38018F4BE59C@alice.it>
Message-ID: <CALhxr4YcnirzUb8wxiDfA6aOS6964P6wC+xWOKcMG7v6MjZg4Q@mail.gmail.com>

If you don't like them, don't work them. If you can't tell the difference,
then what is the difference?

On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 7:32 AM, Gian Luca Cazzola <glcazzola at alice.it>
wrote:

> Are we sure that this, remote radio,  is really again ham radio and a
> radio shack?
>
> I don?t want be offensive to anybody, but I think that our community,
> including our associations and the contest committees, should ask ourself
> this question and take decisions consequently.
>
> This kind of operating, as using 5 -10 - 20kw amplifier or ultra automated
> stations in contests, for contests or dx-ing is like drugs doping ? I think.
>
> It?s only my opinion or other think the same?
>
> Ian IK4EWX
>
>
>
> > Il giorno 17 mag 2017, alle ore 14:12, Jeff <kb2m at comcast.net> ha
> scritto:
> >
> > I?m not awake yet. After a cup of coffee I read through the Remote Rig
> RC-1216H  doc?s and now see that you DO get  some KPA500 monitoring
> information with this setup. Can the KPA500 and my SteppIR be monitored
> with one 1216H ? If so for $300 it?s starting to look like a good way to
> go, as I can?t do any control functions on my BigIR remotely, just control
> it?s frequency. I would also like to have a way to retract the antenna
> fully....
> >
> > 73 Jeff kb2m
> >
> > From: Barry Baines
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 11:43 PM
> > To: Jeff
> > Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] iphone remote control for the KPA500
> >
> > Jeff:
> >
> >  On May 16, 2017, at 8:03 PM, Jeff <kb2m at comcast.net> wrote:
> >
> >
> >  Is anyone working on an iPhone remote control APP for the KPA500?
> >
> > Not a problem today if you use the Remote Rig RC-1216H to control the
> KPA500 (available through HRO).  It uses a web interface which looks just
> like the KPA500 front panel; the amplifier interface utilizes the RS232
> serial connection, so I control my KPA500 with my iPad or MacBook running
> Safari or Chrome.  Likewise, I use a second Remote Rig 1216H to control my
> Green Heron Rotor Controller (RT-21), so I can manage my antenna pointing
> with the iPAD/iPhone/MacBook with ease.
> >
> > See:  http://www.remoterig.com/wp/?page_id=1010#tabs-3
> >
> > Note that the RC-1216H can manage various amplifiers and antenna
> rotators.  Unfortunately, the firmware does not support the KAT500 or the
> Alpha 9500.
> >
> > The RC-1216H is an excellent device for managing compatible devices when
> operating remotely;  e.g. my shack is in SE Georgia and I?m in New England,
> Texas, etc.
> >
> >
> > At this point the only devices that I must use a Windows OS is with the
> KAT500 and the Antenna Genius 8x2 antenna switch.  The antenna switch
> allows me to select which transceiver (K3 or Flex) is  active on a given
> port.  The Antenna Genius has a LAN connection, so I can access it
> relatively easily remotely and run the windows software from wherever I am.
> >
> > I use a serial-to-ethernet converter to interface with the KAT500 so
> that the computer at my location can control the KAT500 at the shack
> without a PC in the shack.
> >
> > Lastly, I use the West Mountain Radio 5-port R4005i to turn on/off
> devices using a web interface that it has.  The allows me to remotely
> activate the Flex6700, control preamps and other accessories, etc.    So
> again, it can all be done with an iPhone/iPad/MacBook or any web-capable
> device.
> >
> > To the extent that I can run a shack without running Windows and a PC,
> the happier I am.
> >
> > FWIW,
> >
> > Barry Baines, WD4ASW
> > (Currently in Mercer, PA enroute to Hamvention?)
> >
> >
> >
> >  I move my KPA-500 with me when I travel from my winter home to my
> summer home. When down south for the winter I use the KPA500 with my FLEX
> 6500 that has a wonderful iPhone remote control APP.  It would be nice to
> be able to control the KPA500 via iPhone also...
> >
> >  73 Jeff kb2m
> >
> >  ---
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From eric at elecraft.com  Wed May 17 15:35:42 2017
From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft)
Date: Wed, 17 May 2017 14:35:42 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] REMOTE STATIONS - was Re: iphone remote control for
	the KPA500
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	<586EDFC4-73AE-4F35-ADE3-8478F8EB75BF@nobis.net>
	<3E432AFFBFFA4A86B26F9A1AAC1D77B1@kb2m4PC>
	<B90D308C-9E1E-46BE-9F92-4B32E67B615D@mac.com>
	<08590AD72FCB4AE29E9780A074F42212@kb2m4PC>
	<BDB1EF3B-43CE-4784-95C7-38018F4BE59C@alice.it>
	<CALhxr4YcnirzUb8wxiDfA6aOS6964P6wC+xWOKcMG7v6MjZg4Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A43DE975-3B02-4C46-9637-D171D036BBDB@elecraft.com>

Guts, this portion of the thread was closed earlier today. Please, no more pro/con arguments on remote operation.

Eric
Moderator, for real!
elecraft.com
_..._



> On May 17, 2017, at 2:25 PM, Jim Rhodes <jimk0xu at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> If you don't like them, don't work them. If you can't tell the difference,
> then what is the difference?
> 
> On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 7:32 AM, Gian Luca Cazzola <glcazzola at alice.it>
> wrote:
> 
>> Are we sure that this, remote radio,  is really again ham radio and a
>> radio shack?
>> 
>> I don?t want be offensive to anybody, but I think that our community,
>> including our associations and the contest committees, should ask ourself
>> this question and take decisions consequently.
>> 
>> This kind of operating, as using 5 -10 - 20kw amplifier or ultra automated
>> stations in contests, for contests or dx-ing is like drugs doping ? I think.
>> 
>> It?s only my opinion or other think the same?
>> 
>> Ian IK4EWX
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> Il giorno 17 mag 2017, alle ore 14:12, Jeff <kb2m at comcast.net> ha
>> scritto:
>>> 
>>> I?m not awake yet. After a cup of coffee I read through the Remote Rig
>> RC-1216H  doc?s and now see that you DO get  some KPA500 monitoring
>> information with this setup. Can the KPA500 and my SteppIR be monitored
>> with one 1216H ? If so for $300 it?s starting to look like a good way to
>> go, as I can?t do any control functions on my BigIR remotely, just control
>> it?s frequency. I would also like to have a way to retract the antenna
>> fully....
>>> 
>>> 73 Jeff kb2m
>>> 
>>> From: Barry Baines
>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2017 11:43 PM
>>> To: Jeff
>>> Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] iphone remote control for the KPA500
>>> 
>>> Jeff:
>>> 
>>> On May 16, 2017, at 8:03 PM, Jeff <kb2m at comcast.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Is anyone working on an iPhone remote control APP for the KPA500?
>>> 
>>> Not a problem today if you use the Remote Rig RC-1216H to control the
>> KPA500 (available through HRO).  It uses a web interface which looks just
>> like the KPA500 front panel; the amplifier interface utilizes the RS232
>> serial connection, so I control my KPA500 with my iPad or MacBook running
>> Safari or Chrome.  Likewise, I use a second Remote Rig 1216H to control my
>> Green Heron Rotor Controller (RT-21), so I can manage my antenna pointing
>> with the iPAD/iPhone/MacBook with ease.
>>> 
>>> See:  http://www.remoterig.com/wp/?page_id=1010#tabs-3
>>> 
>>> Note that the RC-1216H can manage various amplifiers and antenna
>> rotators.  Unfortunately, the firmware does not support the KAT500 or the
>> Alpha 9500.
>>> 
>>> The RC-1216H is an excellent device for managing compatible devices when
>> operating remotely;  e.g. my shack is in SE Georgia and I?m in New England,
>> Texas, etc.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> At this point the only devices that I must use a Windows OS is with the
>> KAT500 and the Antenna Genius 8x2 antenna switch.  The antenna switch
>> allows me to select which transceiver (K3 or Flex) is  active on a given
>> port.  The Antenna Genius has a LAN connection, so I can access it
>> relatively easily remotely and run the windows software from wherever I am.
>>> 
>>> I use a serial-to-ethernet converter to interface with the KAT500 so
>> that the computer at my location can control the KAT500 at the shack
>> without a PC in the shack.
>>> 
>>> Lastly, I use the West Mountain Radio 5-port R4005i to turn on/off
>> devices using a web interface that it has.  The allows me to remotely
>> activate the Flex6700, control preamps and other accessories, etc.    So
>> again, it can all be done with an iPhone/iPad/MacBook or any web-capable
>> device.
>>> 
>>> To the extent that I can run a shack without running Windows and a PC,
>> the happier I am.
>>> 
>>> FWIW,
>>> 
>>> Barry Baines, WD4ASW
>>> (Currently in Mercer, PA enroute to Hamvention?)
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I move my KPA-500 with me when I travel from my winter home to my
>> summer home. When down south for the winter I use the KPA500 with my FLEX
>> 6500 that has a wonderful iPhone remote control APP.  It would be nice to
>> be able to control the KPA500 via iPhone also...
>>> 
>>> 73 Jeff kb2m
>>> 
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From ns9i at bayland.net  Wed May 17 15:39:12 2017
From: ns9i at bayland.net (dgb)
Date: Wed, 17 May 2017 14:39:12 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] REMOTE STATIONS - was Re: iphone remote control for
 the KPA500
In-Reply-To: <8d9b4472-919c-4a51-e648-2ba3f08cd76d@audiosystemsgroup.com>
References: <03C3A737-8D7A-4E51-8FCF-B51BC25CF4B5@nobis.net>
	<586EDFC4-73AE-4F35-ADE3-8478F8EB75BF@nobis.net>
	<3E432AFFBFFA4A86B26F9A1AAC1D77B1@kb2m4PC>
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Amen Jim ... well stated!!!!!!!!!!

73 Dwight NS9I


On 5/17/2017 12:20 PM, Jim Brown wrote:
> You have a highly distorted view of remote operation, which seems to 
> be based on the "rent a shack" of Remote Ham Radio. I do agree that 
> buying time on someone else's remote station thousands of miles from 
> your own to fill in DX countries is cheating, even though it doesn't 
> technically violate rules for the awards. But that's only one small 
> fraction of remote operation.
>
> What's being discussed here (I think) is setting up one's own station 
> for remote operation, perhaps from a hotel room while traveling, or 
> one located in a quiet location that is not bothered by RF noise from 
> neighbors, and where antennas are not limited by local restrictions. 
> Setting up a station for remote operation is a real engineering 
> challenge, especially if there's much antenna switching involved. I 
> have a great deal of respect for those hams who have successfully done 
> so.
>
> 73, Jim K9YC
>
> On Wed,5/17/2017 5:32 AM, Gian Luca Cazzola wrote:
>> It?s only my opinion or other think the same?
>
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From n6kr at elecraft.com  Wed May 17 16:03:59 2017
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Wed, 17 May 2017 13:03:59 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] New KX2 feature: Internal logging of outgoing CW/data
	text
Message-ID: <881453DA-FEAB-4DC6-9C5E-E8E143E24FE9@elecraft.com>

Logging of casual QSOs can be inconvenient when you're using the KX2 while hiking. You might be taking a break at a scenic overlook, using the rig like an HT, with one hand holding the rig and the other sending with the attached paddle. (This is in fact my favorite style of operation.)

For times like these, we?re adding an automatic logging feature to the KX2. When MENU:LOGBOOK is set to ON, the KX2 will record the last 2048 characters of your outgoing CW, PSK31/63, or RTTY text. The only requirement is that you use the rig's internal keyer, with either an attached paddle or an external one. 

2048 characters is enough for 50 to 100 contest-style QSOs, or about 5 to 10 casual, bare-bones QSOs. You can turn logging on/off easily by assigning the LOGBOOK menu entry to a programmable function (PF1-PF4). You might want to turn it on when starting a QSO, then turn it back off once you?ve sent the other station?s callsign, RST, etc.

To view the logged text, there will be a LOG display mode, accessed using the DISP switch. While in this mode, VFO A can be used to scroll forwards and backwards through the text. This allows you to review contacts you?ve made, perhaps sometime in the future when you have time to update a paper or computer log. Text can be erased by holding CLR while in LOG display mode. Transmitting exits LOG display mode immediately.

The logged text includes your band and mode changes (e.g. *14.0 CW*). Also, any time you're transmitting, a time stamp is generated once per minute. The time stamps don?t appear in the text itself. Instead, they're shown on VFO A as you scroll, e.g.:

     LOG 0030

The KXIO2 option module includes a real-time-clock. If a KXIO2 is installed, time stamps will reflect the actual 24-hour UTC time. Otherwise time stamps will reflect the relative time since the radio was turned on, which starts at 00:00.

Of course there are limitations to this logging method. But as long as you send each station?s callsign at least once during a QSO, you?ll have a record of it, along with the band, mode, and time. You could log additional QSO information, if desired, by continuing to transmit; power should be turned down to zero in this case.

This feature is likely to be available shortly after we get back from Dayton. We hope to add this to the KX3 as well, if there?s enough interest.

73,
Wayne
N6KR




From eastbrantwood at gmail.com  Wed May 17 16:09:05 2017
From: eastbrantwood at gmail.com (Stephen Prior)
Date: Wed, 17 May 2017 21:09:05 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] New KX2 feature: Internal logging of outgoing
	CW/data text
In-Reply-To: <881453DA-FEAB-4DC6-9C5E-E8E143E24FE9@elecraft.com>
References: <881453DA-FEAB-4DC6-9C5E-E8E143E24FE9@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <CA+vZ_+JVr_ND2PKsOgRKpCU6iYZgNFMtWrQAr67JhVgUC+Urfg@mail.gmail.com>

Wayne,

What a great idea!  Do you think this log information could also be
available to download once the KX2/3 is back home and connected to a
computer via the relevant utility?

73 Stephen G4SJP

On 17 May 2017 at 21:03, Wayne Burdick n6kr at elecraft.com [KX3] <
KX3-noreply at yahoogroups.com> wrote:

>
>
> Logging of casual QSOs can be inconvenient when you're using the KX2 while
> hiking. You might be taking a break at a scenic overlook, using the rig
> like an HT, with one hand holding the rig and the other sending with the
> attached paddle. (This is in fact my favorite style of operation.)
>
> For times like these, we?re adding an automatic logging feature to the
> KX2. When MENU:LOGBOOK is set to ON, the KX2 will record the last 2048
> characters of your outgoing CW, PSK31/63, or RTTY text. The only
> requirement is that you use the rig's internal keyer, with either an
> attached paddle or an external one.
>
> 2048 characters is enough for 50 to 100 contest-style QSOs, or about 5 to
> 10 casual, bare-bones QSOs. You can turn logging on/off easily by assigning
> the LOGBOOK menu entry to a programmable function (PF1-PF4). You might want
> to turn it on when starting a QSO, then turn it back off once you?ve sent
> the other station?s callsign, RST, etc.
>
> To view the logged text, there will be a LOG display mode, accessed using
> the DISP switch. While in this mode, VFO A can be used to scroll forwards
> and backwards through the text. This allows you to review contacts you?ve
> made, perhaps sometime in the future when you have time to update a paper
> or computer log. Text can be erased by holding CLR while in LOG display
> mode. Transmitting exits LOG display mode immediately.
>
> The logged text includes your band and mode changes (e.g. *14.0 CW*).
> Also, any time you're transmitting, a time stamp is generated once per
> minute. The time stamps don?t appear in the text itself. Instead, they're
> shown on VFO A as you scroll, e.g.:
>
> LOG 0030
>
> The KXIO2 option module includes a real-time-clock. If a KXIO2 is
> installed, time stamps will reflect the actual 24-hour UTC time. Otherwise
> time stamps will reflect the relative time since the radio was turned on,
> which starts at 00:00.
>
> Of course there are limitations to this logging method. But as long as you
> send each station?s callsign at least once during a QSO, you?ll have a
> record of it, along with the band, mode, and time. You could log additional
> QSO information, if desired, by continuing to transmit; power should be
> turned down to zero in this case.
>
> This feature is likely to be available shortly after we get back from
> Dayton. We hope to add this to the KX3 as well, if there?s enough interest.
>
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR
>
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From w6sfm at w6sfm.com  Wed May 17 16:11:21 2017
From: w6sfm at w6sfm.com (W6SFM)
Date: Wed, 17 May 2017 13:11:21 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Notice: W6SFM Bug Roundup Event is THIS weekend!
Message-ID: <06d06d04-5536-0140-4a92-a408fe1d4b6a@w6sfm.com>

This is a simple reminder that this coming Weekend is the "CQ BR" W6SFM 
Bug Roundup Event!

W6SFM On-Air BUG ROUNDUP - Starts Saturday May 20th 1400 UTC (7:00 AM 
Pacific LOCAL Time) through Sunday May 21st 1400 UTC (7:00 AM Pacific 
Local time)

Objective:
This 24-hour event is not a contest; rather it is a time dedicated to 
celebrating our CW and Bug key heritage. Participants are encouraged to 
get on the air and simply make enjoyable, conversational CW QSOs using a 
Bug style key as the sending instrument. There are no points scored in 
this event, and all who participate are winners.

To register your station for this event please be sure to visit our Bug 
Roundup Event page at http://www.w6sfm.com/Bug_Roundup.html
An on-line spotting page and Operator Chat window will be active during 
the event and can also be found by visiting the Bug Roundup Event page 
(http://www.w6sfm.com/Bug_Roundup.html) 
<http://www.w6sfm.com/Bug_Roundup.html>
Once the event has concluded, optional logs may be submitted to the 
W6SFM by way of the link provided on the clubs Bug Roundup web page.

Thank you for your participation and we hope you enjoy the event as much 
as we enjoy hosting it. 73

For more information on this exciting event please visit the W6SFM Bug 
Roundup website page by clickingHERE 
<http://www.w6sfm.com/Bug_Roundup.html> (http://www.w6sfm.com/Bug_Roundup.html) 

-- 
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From n6kr at elecraft.com  Wed May 17 16:11:32 2017
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Wed, 17 May 2017 13:11:32 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] New KX2 feature: Internal logging of outgoing
	CW/data text
In-Reply-To: <CA+vZ_+JVr_ND2PKsOgRKpCU6iYZgNFMtWrQAr67JhVgUC+Urfg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <881453DA-FEAB-4DC6-9C5E-E8E143E24FE9@elecraft.com>
	<CA+vZ_+JVr_ND2PKsOgRKpCU6iYZgNFMtWrQAr67JhVgUC+Urfg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CE45612A-91A5-4F43-B0AE-828B439D9239@elecraft.com>

Forgot to mention that. Yes, there will be at least a simple text-dump host command. 

Wayne


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> On May 17, 2017, at 1:09 PM, Stephen Prior <eastbrantwood at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Wayne,
> 
> What a great idea!  Do you think this log information could also be available to download once the KX2/3 is back home and connected to a computer via the relevant utility?
> 
> 73 Stephen G4SJP
> 
>> On 17 May 2017 at 21:03, Wayne Burdick n6kr at elecraft.com [KX3] <KX3-noreply at yahoogroups.com> wrote:
>> Logging of casual QSOs can be inconvenient when you're using the KX2 while hiking. You might be taking a break at a scenic overlook, using the rig like an HT, with one hand holding the rig and the other sending with the attached paddle. (This is in fact my favorite style of operation.)
>> 
>> For times like these, we?re adding an automatic logging feature to the KX2. When MENU:LOGBOOK is set to ON, the KX2 will record the last 2048 characters of your outgoing CW, PSK31/63, or RTTY text. The only requirement is that you use the rig's internal keyer, with either an attached paddle or an external one. 
>> 
>> 2048 characters is enough for 50 to 100 contest-style QSOs, or about 5 to 10 casual, bare-bones QSOs. You can turn logging on/off easily by assigning the LOGBOOK menu entry to a programmable function (PF1-PF4). You might want to turn it on when starting a QSO, then turn it back off once you?ve sent the other station?s callsign, RST, etc.
>> 
>> To view the logged text, there will be a LOG display mode, accessed using the DISP switch. While in this mode, VFO A can be used to scroll forwards and backwards through the text. This allows you to review contacts you?ve made, perhaps sometime in the future when you have time to update a paper or computer log. Text can be erased by holding CLR while in LOG display mode. Transmitting exits LOG display mode immediately.
>> 
>> The logged text includes your band and mode changes (e.g. *14.0 CW*). Also, any time you're transmitting, a time stamp is generated once per minute. The time stamps don?t appear in the text itself. Instead, they're shown on VFO A as you scroll, e.g.:
>> 
>> LOG 0030
>> 
>> The KXIO2 option module includes a real-time-clock. If a KXIO2 is installed, time stamps will reflect the actual 24-hour UTC time. Otherwise time stamps will reflect the relative time since the radio was turned on, which starts at 00:00.
>> 
>> Of course there are limitations to this logging method. But as long as you send each station?s callsign at least once during a QSO, you?ll have a record of it, along with the band, mode, and time. You could log additional QSO information, if desired, by continuing to transmit; power should be turned down to zero in this case.
>> 
>> This feature is likely to be available shortly after we get back from Dayton. We hope to add this to the KX3 as well, if there?s enough interest.
>> 
>> 73,
>> Wayne
>> N6KR
>> 
>> __._,_.___
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From w6sfm at w6sfm.com  Wed May 17 16:17:57 2017
From: w6sfm at w6sfm.com (W6SFM)
Date: Wed, 17 May 2017 13:17:57 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Notice: W6SFM Bug Roundup Event is THIS weekend!
Message-ID: <8d388d38-cc05-52e8-c884-87112b9a0a02@w6sfm.com>

This is a simple reminder that this coming Weekend is the "CQ BR" W6SFM 
Bug Roundup Event!

W6SFM On-Air BUG ROUNDUP - Starts Saturday May 20th 1400 UTC (7:00 AM 
Pacific LOCAL Time) through Sunday May 21st 1400 UTC (7:00 AM Pacific 
Local time)

Objective:
This 24-hour event is not a contest; rather it is a time dedicated to 
celebrating our CW and Bug key heritage. Participants are encouraged to 
get on the air and simply make enjoyable, conversational CW QSOs using a 
Bug style key as the sending instrument. There are no points scored in 
this event, and all who participate are winners.

To register your station for this event please be sure to visit our Bug 
Roundup Event page at http://www.w6sfm.com/Bug_Roundup.html
An on-line spotting page and Operator Chat window will be active during 
the event and can also be found by visiting the Bug Roundup Event page 
(http://www.w6sfm.com/Bug_Roundup.html) 
<http://www.w6sfm.com/Bug_Roundup.html>
Once the event has concluded, optional logs may be submitted to the 
W6SFM by way of the link provided on the clubs Bug Roundup web page.

Thank you for your participation and we hope you enjoy the event as much 
as we enjoy hosting it. 73

For more information on this exciting event please visit the W6SFM Bug 
Roundup website page by clickingHERE 
<http://www.w6sfm.com/Bug_Roundup.html> (http://www.w6sfm.com/Bug_Roundup.html) 

-- 
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From kevin at k4vd.net  Wed May 17 16:30:01 2017
From: kevin at k4vd.net (Kevin - K4VD)
Date: Wed, 17 May 2017 16:30:01 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] New KX2 feature: Internal logging of outgoing
 CW/data text
In-Reply-To: <CE45612A-91A5-4F43-B0AE-828B439D9239@elecraft.com>
References: <881453DA-FEAB-4DC6-9C5E-E8E143E24FE9@elecraft.com>
	<CA+vZ_+JVr_ND2PKsOgRKpCU6iYZgNFMtWrQAr67JhVgUC+Urfg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CE45612A-91A5-4F43-B0AE-828B439D9239@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <CAFA9ujtXLxqKd0qpOSoZKPD0ONMYm=m7grcxcLBkcY=MpZbSWA@mail.gmail.com>

?Nice! Looking forward to the feature on the KX3.

I wonder (polite way of saying I have an idea!)... would it be possible to
continuously record in a FIFO format (maybe called a scratchpad) and then
hit the log button when you have completed a Q you want to log? It might
reduce the amount of used memory from logging useless info. Just a thought.

I always love a post that starts with "New Feature..." :)

73,
Kev K4VD

From joberreu-elecraft at moselle.com  Wed May 17 16:05:55 2017
From: joberreu-elecraft at moselle.com (Jessie Oberreuter)
Date: Wed, 17 May 2017 13:05:55 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Elecraft] New KX2 feature: Internal logging of outgoing
 CW/data text
In-Reply-To: <881453DA-FEAB-4DC6-9C5E-E8E143E24FE9@elecraft.com>
References: <881453DA-FEAB-4DC6-9C5E-E8E143E24FE9@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.BSF.2.00.1705171304050.61995@tara.technosattva.org>


Wow!  Yes!  Count me interested in a KX3 port!  -kb7psg

On Wed, 17 May 2017, Wayne Burdick wrote:

> This feature is likely to be available shortly after we get back from 
> Dayton. We hope to add this to the KX3 as well, if there's enough 
> interest.

From john.dolan55 at gmail.com  Wed May 17 16:42:59 2017
From: john.dolan55 at gmail.com (John Dolan)
Date: Wed, 17 May 2017 16:42:59 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] New KX2 feature: Internal logging of outgoing
	CW/data text
Message-ID: <CACAmuS_RSQsBy7EU4r0qKC_-6Fcwq7eog+Xf2EE-jKRUHVPSKQ@mail.gmail.com>

I am interested in this feature for the KX3 also.
Thank you Eric.

73, John WB4YAL

*Many of life's problems can be solved by simply deciding what we can do
without. -JohnDolan  <https://www.qrz.com/db/WB4YAL>*

From rv6amark at yahoo.com  Wed May 17 17:14:21 2017
From: rv6amark at yahoo.com (Mark)
Date: Wed, 17 May 2017 14:14:21 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] New KX2 feature: Internal logging of outgoing
 CW/data text
Message-ID: <245105.94326.bm@smtp114.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

Re: ?We hope to add this to the KX3 as well, if there?s enough interest.

Plenty of interest here!!!

Mark
KE6BB


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From sancho at frawg.org  Wed May 17 17:20:03 2017
From: sancho at frawg.org (Jack Spitznagel)
Date: Wed, 17 May 2017 16:20:03 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] New KX2 feature: Internal logging of outgoing
	CW/data text
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Message-ID: <2B64B9FF-9B93-4FA2-AFF8-EBF999D6C8BD@frawg.org>

And plenty here!
Jack. KD4IZ 
Sent from my iPhone

> On May 17, 2017, at 16:14, Mark via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
> 
> Re:  We hope to add this to the KX3 as well, if there?s enough interest.
> 
> Plenty of interest here!!!
> 
> Mark
> KE6BB
> 
> 
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From pe1bsb at zendamateur.nu  Wed May 17 17:29:46 2017
From: pe1bsb at zendamateur.nu (William Lagerberg)
Date: Wed, 17 May 2017 23:29:46 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] Fire in the house li-ion
Message-ID: <5721D1A0-CFBB-4849-AEB9-91ECCEA4EDFF@zendamateur.nu>

Guys,

I want to give you a advice, my shack it (was) in the basement (cellar??) I do all my thing for the hobby there.
A collega of mine asked me to take a look at two Go-Pro LI-Ion accu's because they where not loading anymore.

So I put the first one on the loader for 8 till 9 hours and checked it and it was ok  ( with 10% loading current)
Then I dit put the second one in same place at 10 in the morning at 3 my daughter called me there is a fire.
We rusted to the cellar but I could not enter it was filled with dark smoke.

My shack is gone and 90 % off my house, I have insurance don?t now if it is enough to cover all of my Elecraft stuff

My K1, my own build K2 my K3  and my KX3 are gone, I found my K1 in 20 cm off water really down under, I clean?t it with fresh water.
After that flushed it with pure alcohol. It is completely taken apart today as far as is possible.
I Hope it will survive I will let it dry for a lot of day?s

My K2 is melted the same as my P3 and my K3 perhaps I can order the outside of both, but a am still not allowed to enter the basement so I don?t know how it looks at the inside.

So finale the message is please take care with li-ion accuse battery?s. It did cost me our house in 1 hour.

http://www.nhnieuws.nl/nieuws/206119/bewoner-vlucht-met-dieren-pand-uit-vanwege-grote-brand <http://www.nhnieuws.nl/nieuws/206119/bewoner-vlucht-met-dieren-pand-uit-vanwege-grote-brand>

Regards William Pe1bsb

From dl1sdz at gmail.com  Wed May 17 18:29:23 2017
From: dl1sdz at gmail.com (Hajo Dezelski)
Date: Thu, 18 May 2017 00:29:23 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] New KX2 feature: Internal logging of outgoing
	CW/data text
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Message-ID: <CACM_ObJRWKRo5r8UGVkoi7NawFd2-6HzwncWUqXXbQNrsGXMrQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Wayne,

you are a genius! And it is better implemented than I thought. Great: no
additional gear needed. And of course it would be a help for the Kx3.

So I will order the clock for the Kx2. I didn't do it for I thought that
this space would be used for an I/O Board connection to the forthcoming Px2.

Thanks and all the best

73 de Hajo dl1sdz

Am 17.05.2017 10:04 nachm. schrieb "Wayne Burdick" <n6kr at elecraft.com>:

Logging of casual QSOs can be inconvenient when you're using the KX2 while
hiking. You might be taking a break at a scenic overlook, using the rig
like an HT, with one hand holding the rig and the other sending with the
attached paddle. (This is in fact my favorite style of operation.)

For times like these, we?re adding an automatic logging feature to the KX2.
When MENU:LOGBOOK is set to ON, the KX2 will record the last 2048
characters of your outgoing CW, PSK31/63, or RTTY text. The only
requirement is that you use the rig's internal keyer, with either an
attached paddle or an external one.

2048 characters is enough for 50 to 100 contest-style QSOs, or about 5 to
10 casual, bare-bones QSOs. You can turn logging on/off easily by assigning
the LOGBOOK menu entry to a programmable function (PF1-PF4). You might want
to turn it on when starting a QSO, then turn it back off once you?ve sent
the other station?s callsign, RST, etc.

To view the logged text, there will be a LOG display mode, accessed using
the DISP switch. While in this mode, VFO A can be used to scroll forwards
and backwards through the text. This allows you to review contacts you?ve
made, perhaps sometime in the future when you have time to update a paper
or computer log. Text can be erased by holding CLR while in LOG display
mode. Transmitting exits LOG display mode immediately.

The logged text includes your band and mode changes (e.g. *14.0 CW*). Also,
any time you're transmitting, a time stamp is generated once per minute.
The time stamps don?t appear in the text itself. Instead, they're shown on
VFO A as you scroll, e.g.:

     LOG 0030

The KXIO2 option module includes a real-time-clock. If a KXIO2 is
installed, time stamps will reflect the actual 24-hour UTC time. Otherwise
time stamps will reflect the relative time since the radio was turned on,
which starts at 00:00.

Of course there are limitations to this logging method. But as long as you
send each station?s callsign at least once during a QSO, you?ll have a
record of it, along with the band, mode, and time. You could log additional
QSO information, if desired, by continuing to transmit; power should be
turned down to zero in this case.

This feature is likely to be available shortly after we get back from
Dayton. We hope to add this to the KX3 as well, if there?s enough interest.

73,
Wayne
N6KR



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From hlyingst at yahoo.com  Wed May 17 18:33:17 2017
From: hlyingst at yahoo.com (Harry Yingst)
Date: Wed, 17 May 2017 22:33:17 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] Fire in the house li-ion
In-Reply-To: <5721D1A0-CFBB-4849-AEB9-91ECCEA4EDFF@zendamateur.nu>
References: <5721D1A0-CFBB-4849-AEB9-91ECCEA4EDFF@zendamateur.nu>
Message-ID: <1357740776.147395.1495060397326@mail.yahoo.com>


You have my sympathies for your loss, I can only imagine what you are going through.I'm not sure if you're?a praying man or not but I'll add you to my prayer list.

Fire is scary and moves very fast in a home. We had a small fire caused by a defectivelamp in my wife's sewing?room;?in less than five?minutes?it did thousands in damage.
I'm a bit Leary of Lithium batteries?it's a lot of energy packed into a small area.
Again you have my sympathies, I'll be praying for you and yours.


      From: William Lagerberg <pe1bsb at zendamateur.nu>
 To: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> 
 Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 5:32 PM
 Subject: [Elecraft] Fire in the house li-ion
   
Guys,

I want to give you a advice, my shack it (was) in the basement (cellar??) I do all my thing for the hobby there.
A collega of mine asked me to take a look at two Go-Pro LI-Ion accu's because they where not loading anymore.

So I put the first one on the loader for 8 till 9 hours and checked it and it was ok? ( with 10% loading current)
Then I dit put the second one in same place at 10 in the morning at 3 my daughter called me there is a fire.
We rusted to the cellar but I could not enter it was filled with dark smoke.

My shack is gone and 90 % off my house, I have insurance don?t now if it is enough to cover all of my Elecraft stuff

My K1, my own build K2 my K3? and my KX3 are gone, I found my K1 in 20 cm off water really down under, I clean?t it with fresh water.
After that flushed it with pure alcohol. It is completely taken apart today as far as is possible.
I Hope it will survive I will let it dry for a lot of day?s

My K2 is melted the same as my P3 and my K3 perhaps I can order the outside of both, but a am still not allowed to enter the basement so I don?t know how it looks at the inside.

So finale the message is please take care with li-ion accuse battery?s. It did cost me our house in 1 hour.

   

From ron at cobi.biz  Wed May 17 18:49:38 2017
From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire)
Date: Wed, 17 May 2017 15:49:38 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Fire in the house li-ion
In-Reply-To: <5721D1A0-CFBB-4849-AEB9-91ECCEA4EDFF@zendamateur.nu>
References: <5721D1A0-CFBB-4849-AEB9-91ECCEA4EDFF@zendamateur.nu>
Message-ID: <001201d2cf5f$dd8f1430$98ad3c90$@biz>

That is a great warning William. It is good to hear the animals and people got out safely. 

As with so many things, all it takes is one bad unit to create a disaster. 

I see it was a Go-Pro battery. Is there a make or brand name other than Go-Pro on them?

Dat is een grote waarschuwing William. Het is goed om de dieren te horen en mensen komen veilig uit.

Net zoals bij zoveel dingen, is het maar een slechte eenheid om een ramp te maken.

Ik zie dat het een Go-Pro batterij was. Is er een merk of merknaam anders dan Go-Pro op hen?

73, Ron AC7AC

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of William Lagerberg
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 2:30 PM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] Fire in the house li-ion

Guys,

I want to give you a advice, my shack it (was) in the basement (cellar??) I do all my thing for the hobby there.
A collega of mine asked me to take a look at two Go-Pro LI-Ion accu's because they where not loading anymore.

So I put the first one on the loader for 8 till 9 hours and checked it and it was ok  ( with 10% loading current) Then I dit put the second one in same place at 10 in the morning at 3 my daughter called me there is a fire.
We rusted to the cellar but I could not enter it was filled with dark smoke.

My shack is gone and 90 % off my house, I have insurance don?t now if it is enough to cover all of my Elecraft stuff

My K1, my own build K2 my K3  and my KX3 are gone, I found my K1 in 20 cm off water really down under, I clean?t it with fresh water.
After that flushed it with pure alcohol. It is completely taken apart today as far as is possible.
I Hope it will survive I will let it dry for a lot of day?s

My K2 is melted the same as my P3 and my K3 perhaps I can order the outside of both, but a am still not allowed to enter the basement so I don?t know how it looks at the inside.

So finale the message is please take care with li-ion accuse battery?s. It did cost me our house in 1 hour.

http://www.nhnieuws.nl/nieuws/206119/bewoner-vlucht-met-dieren-pand-uit-vanwege-grote-brand <http://www.nhnieuws.nl/nieuws/206119/bewoner-vlucht-met-dieren-pand-uit-vanwege-grote-brand>

Regards William Pe1bsb
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From n6kr at elecraft.com  Wed May 17 18:58:41 2017
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Wed, 17 May 2017 15:58:41 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Fire in the house li-ion
In-Reply-To: <5721D1A0-CFBB-4849-AEB9-91ECCEA4EDFF@zendamateur.nu>
References: <5721D1A0-CFBB-4849-AEB9-91ECCEA4EDFF@zendamateur.nu>
Message-ID: <4464EBC7-8308-49F0-B15F-AF0342720441@elecraft.com>

So sorry to hear about this, William! Best of luck recovering from this tragedy.

I hope you?re able to salvage some of your ham gear. If you?re stuck without a rig, let me know. We might have a refurbished KX2 or KX3 we could loan you.

Perhaps this would be good time to remind everyone to be careful with Li-ion batteries for all products. For example, see page 2 of the KXBT2 battery pack instructions:

    http://www.elecraft.com/manual/E740288%20KXBC2%20and%20KXBT2%20Instructions,%20rev%20A5.pdf

Perhaps the most important line in this document is: "Do not leave the battery unattended during charging. Charge only on a nonflammable surface.

On behalf of Elecraft, 73,

Wayne
N6KR





> On May 17, 2017, at 2:29 PM, William Lagerberg <pe1bsb at zendamateur.nu> wrote:
> 
> Guys,
> 
> I want to give you a advice, my shack it (was) in the basement (cellar??) I do all my thing for the hobby there.
> A collega of mine asked me to take a look at two Go-Pro LI-Ion accu's because they where not loading anymore.
> 
> So I put the first one on the loader for 8 till 9 hours and checked it and it was ok  ( with 10% loading current)
> Then I dit put the second one in same place at 10 in the morning at 3 my daughter called me there is a fire.
> We rusted to the cellar but I could not enter it was filled with dark smoke.
> 
> My shack is gone and 90 % off my house, I have insurance don?t now if it is enough to cover all of my Elecraft stuff
> 
> My K1, my own build K2 my K3  and my KX3 are gone, I found my K1 in 20 cm off water really down under, I clean?t it with fresh water.
> After that flushed it with pure alcohol. It is completely taken apart today as far as is possible.
> I Hope it will survive I will let it dry for a lot of day?s
> 
> My K2 is melted the same as my P3 and my K3 perhaps I can order the outside of both, but a am still not allowed to enter the basement so I don?t know how it looks at the inside.
> 
> So finale the message is please take care with li-ion accuse battery?s. It did cost me our house in 1 hour.
> 
> http://www.nhnieuws.nl/nieuws/206119/bewoner-vlucht-met-dieren-pand-uit-vanwege-grote-brand <http://www.nhnieuws.nl/nieuws/206119/bewoner-vlucht-met-dieren-pand-uit-vanwege-grote-brand>
> 
> Regards William Pe1bsb
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From ctate at ewnetinc.com  Wed May 17 19:27:03 2017
From: ctate at ewnetinc.com (Chris Tate - N6WM)
Date: Wed, 17 May 2017 23:27:03 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Fire in the house li-ion
In-Reply-To: <4464EBC7-8308-49F0-B15F-AF0342720441@elecraft.com>
References: <5721D1A0-CFBB-4849-AEB9-91ECCEA4EDFF@zendamateur.nu>
	<4464EBC7-8308-49F0-B15F-AF0342720441@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <236350B81BC09D42B8C3B41A97C654DD1D731299@AUSP01DAG0504.collaborationhost.net>

That?s horrible William.  So sorry for you loss.

I am sure many in this great community will rally to assist if needed OM.

That is really scary.  Can you imagine how many go-pro packs are in every airplane headed to a vacation destination..

Wow.  

GL

Chris
N6WM

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Wayne Burdick
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 3:59 PM
To: William Lagerberg <pe1bsb at zendamateur.nu>
Cc: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Fire in the house li-ion

So sorry to hear about this, William! Best of luck recovering from this tragedy.

I hope you?re able to salvage some of your ham gear. If you?re stuck without a rig, let me know. We might have a refurbished KX2 or KX3 we could loan you.

Perhaps this would be good time to remind everyone to be careful with Li-ion batteries for all products. For example, see page 2 of the KXBT2 battery pack instructions:

    http://www.elecraft.com/manual/E740288%20KXBC2%20and%20KXBT2%20Instructions,%20rev%20A5.pdf

Perhaps the most important line in this document is: "Do not leave the battery unattended during charging. Charge only on a nonflammable surface.

On behalf of Elecraft, 73,

Wayne
N6KR





> On May 17, 2017, at 2:29 PM, William Lagerberg <pe1bsb at zendamateur.nu> wrote:
> 
> Guys,
> 
> I want to give you a advice, my shack it (was) in the basement (cellar??) I do all my thing for the hobby there.
> A collega of mine asked me to take a look at two Go-Pro LI-Ion accu's because they where not loading anymore.
> 
> So I put the first one on the loader for 8 till 9 hours and checked it 
> and it was ok  ( with 10% loading current) Then I dit put the second one in same place at 10 in the morning at 3 my daughter called me there is a fire.
> We rusted to the cellar but I could not enter it was filled with dark smoke.
> 
> My shack is gone and 90 % off my house, I have insurance don?t now if 
> it is enough to cover all of my Elecraft stuff
> 
> My K1, my own build K2 my K3  and my KX3 are gone, I found my K1 in 20 cm off water really down under, I clean?t it with fresh water.
> After that flushed it with pure alcohol. It is completely taken apart today as far as is possible.
> I Hope it will survive I will let it dry for a lot of day?s
> 
> My K2 is melted the same as my P3 and my K3 perhaps I can order the outside of both, but a am still not allowed to enter the basement so I don?t know how it looks at the inside.
> 
> So finale the message is please take care with li-ion accuse battery?s. It did cost me our house in 1 hour.
> 
> http://www.nhnieuws.nl/nieuws/206119/bewoner-vlucht-met-dieren-pand-ui
> t-vanwege-grote-brand 
> <http://www.nhnieuws.nl/nieuws/206119/bewoner-vlucht-met-dieren-pand-u
> it-vanwege-grote-brand>
> 
> Regards William Pe1bsb
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From kevinr at coho.net  Wed May 17 19:28:12 2017
From: kevinr at coho.net (kevinr at coho.net)
Date: Wed, 17 May 2017 16:28:12 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net 15th Anniversary
Message-ID: <e0f3d356-b816-9e6f-93ee-2e7218c3bf48@coho.net>

Howdy Folks,

     In 2002 I started the Elecraft CW Net to meet people and improve my 
CW.  Over the years I have met many fine folks and lost a few along the 
way.  My CW has improved (somewhat).  The propagation has been poor, 
then better, then good, and now poor again.  I expect that cycle will 
continue long after I am gone.

    The official date would be June 6, 2017 but June 4th is close 
enough.  Hopefully the bands will perk up a bit; the sun does have a few 
tiny spots on it.  Solar flux is marginal but I have been making 
sporadic contact with the East Coast, Midwest, Southeast, Southwest, 
Western Canada, and folks not local to the Pacific Northwest.  While I 
do get the occasional weak check in from Washington and the line of 
sight folks in Oregon the PNW is usually too close for good copy.

    Please think about checking in on June 4th to be part of this large 
group of like minded folks.  Family news, dog health, camping trips, 
fishing, and the weather have all been discussed in the past.  Since we 
all use Elecraft gear we rarely talk about our rigs.  We do discuss new 
gear being offered, stories about repair of old gear, and antennas - 
always antennas.

    Until then,

        73,

            Kevin.  KD5ONS  Net Control Person 5th Class.


From n6kr at elecraft.com  Wed May 17 19:44:01 2017
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Wed, 17 May 2017 16:44:01 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net 15th Anniversary
In-Reply-To: <e0f3d356-b816-9e6f-93ee-2e7218c3bf48@coho.net>
References: <e0f3d356-b816-9e6f-93ee-2e7218c3bf48@coho.net>
Message-ID: <A080BD31-ABE9-438E-AB3F-0FBF0A311E64@elecraft.com>

Wow, Kevin, congrats on sticking with it all this time! I will try to check in, for sure.

73,
Wayne
N6KR


> On May 17, 2017, at 4:28 PM, kevinr at coho.net wrote:
> 
> Howdy Folks,
> 
>    In 2002 I started the Elecraft CW Net to meet people and improve my CW.  Over the years I have met many fine folks and lost a few along the way.  My CW has improved (somewhat).  The propagation has been poor, then better, then good, and now poor again.  I expect that cycle will continue long after I am gone.
> 
>   The official date would be June 6, 2017 but June 4th is close enough.  Hopefully the bands will perk up a bit; the sun does have a few tiny spots on it.  Solar flux is marginal but I have been making sporadic contact with the East Coast, Midwest, Southeast, Southwest, Western Canada, and folks not local to the Pacific Northwest.  While I do get the occasional weak check in from Washington and the line of sight folks in Oregon the PNW is usually too close for good copy.
> 
>   Please think about checking in on June 4th to be part of this large group of like minded folks.  Family news, dog health, camping trips, fishing, and the weather have all been discussed in the past.  Since we all use Elecraft gear we rarely talk about our rigs.  We do discuss new gear being offered, stories about repair of old gear, and antennas - always antennas.
> 
>   Until then,
> 
>       73,
> 
>           Kevin.  KD5ONS  Net Control Person 5th Class.



From jaunti at gmail.com  Wed May 17 20:09:12 2017
From: jaunti at gmail.com (Jan Timmers)
Date: Wed, 17 May 2017 17:09:12 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Fire in the house li-ion
In-Reply-To: <236350B81BC09D42B8C3B41A97C654DD1D731299@AUSP01DAG0504.collaborationhost.net>
References: <5721D1A0-CFBB-4849-AEB9-91ECCEA4EDFF@zendamateur.nu>
	<4464EBC7-8308-49F0-B15F-AF0342720441@elecraft.com>
	<236350B81BC09D42B8C3B41A97C654DD1D731299@AUSP01DAG0504.collaborationhost.net>
Message-ID: <CANa_i+iHVmunLafLxMBma616bqCT8vyb_M2rLgiNrfpVLKp6DA@mail.gmail.com>

William, je hebt het geluk om het vuur te ontsnappen. Uw leven en dat van
uw geliefden is belangrijker dan de uitrusting die verloren gaat. Ik weet
dat het niet echt troost is, nu dat je naar een verbrand huis kijkt, maar
dat is de realiteit. Ik las het nieuwsbericht en zag je brandende huis, met
de antenne daarboven en zag dat het een smalle ontsnapping was voor jou en
je familie.

Jan - VE7JBT

On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 4:27 PM, Chris Tate - N6WM <ctate at ewnetinc.com>
wrote:

> That?s horrible William.  So sorry for you loss.
>
> I am sure many in this great community will rally to assist if needed OM.
>
> That is really scary.  Can you imagine how many go-pro packs are in every
> airplane headed to a vacation destination..
>
> Wow.
>
> GL
>
> Chris
> N6WM
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of
> Wayne Burdick
> Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 3:59 PM
> To: William Lagerberg <pe1bsb at zendamateur.nu>
> Cc: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Fire in the house li-ion
>
> So sorry to hear about this, William! Best of luck recovering from this
> tragedy.
>
> I hope you?re able to salvage some of your ham gear. If you?re stuck
> without a rig, let me know. We might have a refurbished KX2 or KX3 we could
> loan you.
>
> Perhaps this would be good time to remind everyone to be careful with
> Li-ion batteries for all products. For example, see page 2 of the KXBT2
> battery pack instructions:
>
>     http://www.elecraft.com/manual/E740288%20KXBC2%20and%
> 20KXBT2%20Instructions,%20rev%20A5.pdf
>
> Perhaps the most important line in this document is: "Do not leave the
> battery unattended during charging. Charge only on a nonflammable surface.
>
> On behalf of Elecraft, 73,
>
> Wayne
> N6KR
>
>
>
>
>
> > On May 17, 2017, at 2:29 PM, William Lagerberg <pe1bsb at zendamateur.nu>
> wrote:
> >
> > Guys,
> >
> > I want to give you a advice, my shack it (was) in the basement
> (cellar??) I do all my thing for the hobby there.
> > A collega of mine asked me to take a look at two Go-Pro LI-Ion accu's
> because they where not loading anymore.
> >
> > So I put the first one on the loader for 8 till 9 hours and checked it
> > and it was ok  ( with 10% loading current) Then I dit put the second one
> in same place at 10 in the morning at 3 my daughter called me there is a
> fire.
> > We rusted to the cellar but I could not enter it was filled with dark
> smoke.
> >
> > My shack is gone and 90 % off my house, I have insurance don?t now if
> > it is enough to cover all of my Elecraft stuff
> >
> > My K1, my own build K2 my K3  and my KX3 are gone, I found my K1 in 20
> cm off water really down under, I clean?t it with fresh water.
> > After that flushed it with pure alcohol. It is completely taken apart
> today as far as is possible.
> > I Hope it will survive I will let it dry for a lot of day?s
> >
> > My K2 is melted the same as my P3 and my K3 perhaps I can order the
> outside of both, but a am still not allowed to enter the basement so I
> don?t know how it looks at the inside.
> >
> > So finale the message is please take care with li-ion accuse battery?s.
> It did cost me our house in 1 hour.
> >
> > http://www.nhnieuws.nl/nieuws/206119/bewoner-vlucht-met-dieren-pand-ui
> > t-vanwege-grote-brand
> > <http://www.nhnieuws.nl/nieuws/206119/bewoner-vlucht-met-dieren-pand-u
> > it-vanwege-grote-brand>
> >
> > Regards William Pe1bsb
> > ______________________________________________________________
> > Elecraft mailing list
> > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
> > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
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> >
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> > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to
> > n6kr at elecraft.com
>
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-- 
Regards;
John Timmers

From vk5zm at bistre.net  Wed May 17 20:28:07 2017
From: vk5zm at bistre.net (Matthew Cook)
Date: Thu, 18 May 2017 09:58:07 +0930
Subject: [Elecraft] Fire in the house li-ion
In-Reply-To: <5721D1A0-CFBB-4849-AEB9-91ECCEA4EDFF@zendamateur.nu>
References: <5721D1A0-CFBB-4849-AEB9-91ECCEA4EDFF@zendamateur.nu>
Message-ID: <CAE+2d_368cYimMbz8e77PsTozrv8spWtG0+mgQc2RsHkg_2ZpA@mail.gmail.com>

William,

We're sorry to hear about your fire, especially loosing all of your
Elecraft gear.

If you are washing your equipment with water it's important that you go to
the shop and purchase *distilled *water like you should use for your solder
sponge or car battery.  Distilled water will mobilise ions and remove them
from causing further corrosion damage to your electronic assemblies.  Your
worst enemy are alkalies like salt and reactive elements like Iron, both
found in municipal town water.  Keep washing with distilled water and keep
flushing it for a few days and then let it dry out in a warm dry place. I
have rescued a few KX3's after having taken a swim in sea water.   I'm also
luck to work at a semiconductor foundry, so we have 99.99995% pure water on
site to work with (*grin*).

I'm also assuming that the fire was a LiPO battery.   The advice you have
received about not entering your basement is wise.   LiPO fires create
compounds that are very, very toxic, I would also expect your insurance
company to have your basement professionally cleaned before going back
inside.  You may find that after cleaning it may be necessary to seal in
all the contaminates with paint or sealing compounds.  If in doubt talk to
your local fire department (seriously) they should have Material Safety
Data Sheets (MSDS) for LiPO battery and containment after a fire.  Europe
and Australia are similar in adoption of solar battery systems, so with
large scale LiPO batteries in homes now, fire departments have further
health risks to concern themselves with.

Having had LiPO and LiFePO4 batteries (yes these burn too) that I use in my
Radio Control Models catch on fire at various times I now charge any LiPO
battery in a fire bag.

https://hobbyking.com/en_us/batteries/lipo-safe-bags.html?___store=en_us

They are cheap insurance that is for certain.

Mijn beste wensen

Matthew
VK5ZM


On 18 May 2017 at 06:59, William Lagerberg <pe1bsb at zendamateur.nu> wrote:

> Guys,
>
> I want to give you a advice, my shack it (was) in the basement (cellar??)
> I do all my thing for the hobby there.
> A collega of mine asked me to take a look at two Go-Pro LI-Ion accu's
> because they where not loading anymore.
>
> So I put the first one on the loader for 8 till 9 hours and checked it and
> it was ok  ( with 10% loading current)
> Then I dit put the second one in same place at 10 in the morning at 3 my
> daughter called me there is a fire.
> We rusted to the cellar but I could not enter it was filled with dark
> smoke.
>
> My shack is gone and 90 % off my house, I have insurance don?t now if it
> is enough to cover all of my Elecraft stuff
>
> My K1, my own build K2 my K3  and my KX3 are gone, I found my K1 in 20 cm
> off water really down under, I clean?t it with fresh water.
> After that flushed it with pure alcohol. It is completely taken apart
> today as far as is possible.
> I Hope it will survive I will let it dry for a lot of day?s
>
> My K2 is melted the same as my P3 and my K3 perhaps I can order the
> outside of both, but a am still not allowed to enter the basement so I
> don?t know how it looks at the inside.
>
> So finale the message is please take care with li-ion accuse battery?s. It
> did cost me our house in 1 hour.
>
> http://www.nhnieuws.nl/nieuws/206119/bewoner-vlucht-met-
> dieren-pand-uit-vanwege-grote-brand <http://www.nhnieuws.nl/
> nieuws/206119/bewoner-vlucht-met-dieren-pand-uit-vanwege-grote-brand>
>
> Regards William Pe1bsb
> ______________________________________________________________
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> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
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>
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> Message delivered to vk5zm at bistre.net

From awinger2011 at icloud.com  Wed May 17 20:39:31 2017
From: awinger2011 at icloud.com (Albert Winger)
Date: Wed, 17 May 2017 18:39:31 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] Fire in the house li-ion
In-Reply-To: <CAE+2d_368cYimMbz8e77PsTozrv8spWtG0+mgQc2RsHkg_2ZpA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5721D1A0-CFBB-4849-AEB9-91ECCEA4EDFF@zendamateur.nu>
	<CAE+2d_368cYimMbz8e77PsTozrv8spWtG0+mgQc2RsHkg_2ZpA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <FADEEC4B-6EB5-48A9-8C5C-9B51A77665BE@icloud.com>

Thoughts and prayers are with you and your family William

73
Al
W1NGA
Colorado Springs, CO

> On May 17, 2017, at 6:28 PM, Matthew Cook <vk5zm at bistre.net> wrote:
> 
> William,
> 
> We're sorry to hear about your fire, especially loosing all of your
> Elecraft gear.
> 
> If you are washing your equipment with water it's important that you go to
> the shop and purchase *distilled *water like you should use for your solder
> sponge or car battery.  Distilled water will mobilise ions and remove them
> from causing further corrosion damage to your electronic assemblies.  Your
> worst enemy are alkalies like salt and reactive elements like Iron, both
> found in municipal town water.  Keep washing with distilled water and keep
> flushing it for a few days and then let it dry out in a warm dry place. I
> have rescued a few KX3's after having taken a swim in sea water.   I'm also
> luck to work at a semiconductor foundry, so we have 99.99995% pure water on
> site to work with (*grin*).
> 
> I'm also assuming that the fire was a LiPO battery.   The advice you have
> received about not entering your basement is wise.   LiPO fires create
> compounds that are very, very toxic, I would also expect your insurance
> company to have your basement professionally cleaned before going back
> inside.  You may find that after cleaning it may be necessary to seal in
> all the contaminates with paint or sealing compounds.  If in doubt talk to
> your local fire department (seriously) they should have Material Safety
> Data Sheets (MSDS) for LiPO battery and containment after a fire.  Europe
> and Australia are similar in adoption of solar battery systems, so with
> large scale LiPO batteries in homes now, fire departments have further
> health risks to concern themselves with.
> 
> Having had LiPO and LiFePO4 batteries (yes these burn too) that I use in my
> Radio Control Models catch on fire at various times I now charge any LiPO
> battery in a fire bag.
> 
> https://hobbyking.com/en_us/batteries/lipo-safe-bags.html?___store=en_us
> 
> They are cheap insurance that is for certain.
> 
> Mijn beste wensen
> 
> Matthew
> VK5ZM
> 
> 
>> On 18 May 2017 at 06:59, William Lagerberg <pe1bsb at zendamateur.nu> wrote:
>> 
>> Guys,
>> 
>> I want to give you a advice, my shack it (was) in the basement (cellar??)
>> I do all my thing for the hobby there.
>> A collega of mine asked me to take a look at two Go-Pro LI-Ion accu's
>> because they where not loading anymore.
>> 
>> So I put the first one on the loader for 8 till 9 hours and checked it and
>> it was ok  ( with 10% loading current)
>> Then I dit put the second one in same place at 10 in the morning at 3 my
>> daughter called me there is a fire.
>> We rusted to the cellar but I could not enter it was filled with dark
>> smoke.
>> 
>> My shack is gone and 90 % off my house, I have insurance don?t now if it
>> is enough to cover all of my Elecraft stuff
>> 
>> My K1, my own build K2 my K3  and my KX3 are gone, I found my K1 in 20 cm
>> off water really down under, I clean?t it with fresh water.
>> After that flushed it with pure alcohol. It is completely taken apart
>> today as far as is possible.
>> I Hope it will survive I will let it dry for a lot of day?s
>> 
>> My K2 is melted the same as my P3 and my K3 perhaps I can order the
>> outside of both, but a am still not allowed to enter the basement so I
>> don?t know how it looks at the inside.
>> 
>> So finale the message is please take care with li-ion accuse battery?s. It
>> did cost me our house in 1 hour.
>> 
>> http://www.nhnieuws.nl/nieuws/206119/bewoner-vlucht-met-
>> dieren-pand-uit-vanwege-grote-brand <http://www.nhnieuws.nl/
>> nieuws/206119/bewoner-vlucht-met-dieren-pand-uit-vanwege-grote-brand>
>> 
>> Regards William Pe1bsb
>> ______________________________________________________________
>> Elecraft mailing list
>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>> 
>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net
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>> Message delivered to vk5zm at bistre.net
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From jrgraves at knology.net  Wed May 17 20:45:09 2017
From: jrgraves at knology.net (Jim Graves)
Date: Wed, 17 May 2017 20:45:09 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] New KX2 feature: Internal logging of outgoingCW/data
	text
In-Reply-To: <2B64B9FF-9B93-4FA2-AFF8-EBF999D6C8BD@frawg.org>
References: <245105.94326.bm@smtp114.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
	<2B64B9FF-9B93-4FA2-AFF8-EBF999D6C8BD@frawg.org>
Message-ID: <A1E1E1DB8F5046C1BCE40D3F14B2E46E@JRGPC>

Plenty of interest here also!
Jim W4JRG
===========================================================

Subject: Re: [Elecraft] New KX2 feature: Internal logging of outgoingCW/data 
text

And plenty here!
Jack. KD4IZ
Sent from my iPhone


From n6kr at elecraft.com  Wed May 17 21:24:23 2017
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Wed, 17 May 2017 18:24:23 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Fire in the house li-ion [not due to an Elecraft
	product]
In-Reply-To: <FADEEC4B-6EB5-48A9-8C5C-9B51A77665BE@icloud.com>
References: <5721D1A0-CFBB-4849-AEB9-91ECCEA4EDFF@zendamateur.nu>
	<CAE+2d_368cYimMbz8e77PsTozrv8spWtG0+mgQc2RsHkg_2ZpA@mail.gmail.com>
	<FADEEC4B-6EB5-48A9-8C5C-9B51A77665BE@icloud.com>
Message-ID: <5250CF57-D9F5-4214-B630-51A483AE1950@elecraft.com>

The above thread is going deep enough that I wanted to make sure this point was not missed. (The fire was caused by a Go-Pro battery pack.)

Still, it?s a cautionary tale. Everyone using batteries of any kind should be very aware of proper handling and charging guidelines.

Sorry for the extra bandwidth....

Wayne
N6KR



From jimithy66 at gmail.com  Wed May 17 22:19:13 2017
From: jimithy66 at gmail.com (Jimithy66)
Date: Wed, 17 May 2017 22:19:13 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 update using Linux ?
Message-ID: <CAD38ESPJh+D=tDFndoWso6yU4fHz8VApTyx0EoNu5RDA76kNRQ@mail.gmail.com>

Anyone able to tell me how to do it ?

Thanks,

Jim / W1FMR

From jackbrindle at me.com  Wed May 17 22:42:27 2017
From: jackbrindle at me.com (Jack Brindle)
Date: Wed, 17 May 2017 19:42:27 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Fire in the house li-ion
In-Reply-To: <236350B81BC09D42B8C3B41A97C654DD1D731299@AUSP01DAG0504.collaborationhost.net>
References: <5721D1A0-CFBB-4849-AEB9-91ECCEA4EDFF@zendamateur.nu>
	<4464EBC7-8308-49F0-B15F-AF0342720441@elecraft.com>
	<236350B81BC09D42B8C3B41A97C654DD1D731299@AUSP01DAG0504.collaborationhost.net>
Message-ID: <5685EC0C-5FC0-403A-99D1-084A2177568C@me.com>

There is a big difference. They are not being charged while on the airplane. Most of the Lion problems occur while charging.

- Jack, W6FB


> On May 17, 2017, at 4:27 PM, Chris Tate - N6WM <ctate at ewnetinc.com> wrote:
> 
> That?s horrible William.  So sorry for you loss.
> 
> I am sure many in this great community will rally to assist if needed OM.
> 
> That is really scary.  Can you imagine how many go-pro packs are in every airplane headed to a vacation destination..
> 
> Wow.  
> 
> GL
> 
> Chris
> N6WM
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Wayne Burdick
> Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 3:59 PM
> To: William Lagerberg <pe1bsb at zendamateur.nu>
> Cc: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Fire in the house li-ion
> 
> So sorry to hear about this, William! Best of luck recovering from this tragedy.
> 
> I hope you?re able to salvage some of your ham gear. If you?re stuck without a rig, let me know. We might have a refurbished KX2 or KX3 we could loan you.
> 
> Perhaps this would be good time to remind everyone to be careful with Li-ion batteries for all products. For example, see page 2 of the KXBT2 battery pack instructions:
> 
>    http://www.elecraft.com/manual/E740288%20KXBC2%20and%20KXBT2%20Instructions,%20rev%20A5.pdf
> 
> Perhaps the most important line in this document is: "Do not leave the battery unattended during charging. Charge only on a nonflammable surface.
> 
> On behalf of Elecraft, 73,
> 
> Wayne
> N6KR
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On May 17, 2017, at 2:29 PM, William Lagerberg <pe1bsb at zendamateur.nu> wrote:
>> 
>> Guys,
>> 
>> I want to give you a advice, my shack it (was) in the basement (cellar??) I do all my thing for the hobby there.
>> A collega of mine asked me to take a look at two Go-Pro LI-Ion accu's because they where not loading anymore.
>> 
>> So I put the first one on the loader for 8 till 9 hours and checked it 
>> and it was ok  ( with 10% loading current) Then I dit put the second one in same place at 10 in the morning at 3 my daughter called me there is a fire.
>> We rusted to the cellar but I could not enter it was filled with dark smoke.
>> 
>> My shack is gone and 90 % off my house, I have insurance don?t now if 
>> it is enough to cover all of my Elecraft stuff
>> 
>> My K1, my own build K2 my K3  and my KX3 are gone, I found my K1 in 20 cm off water really down under, I clean?t it with fresh water.
>> After that flushed it with pure alcohol. It is completely taken apart today as far as is possible.
>> I Hope it will survive I will let it dry for a lot of day?s
>> 
>> My K2 is melted the same as my P3 and my K3 perhaps I can order the outside of both, but a am still not allowed to enter the basement so I don?t know how it looks at the inside.
>> 
>> So finale the message is please take care with li-ion accuse battery?s. It did cost me our house in 1 hour.
>> 
>> http://www.nhnieuws.nl/nieuws/206119/bewoner-vlucht-met-dieren-pand-ui
>> t-vanwege-grote-brand 
>> <http://www.nhnieuws.nl/nieuws/206119/bewoner-vlucht-met-dieren-pand-u
>> it-vanwege-grote-brand>
>> 
>> Regards William Pe1bsb
>> ______________________________________________________________
>> Elecraft mailing list
>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>> 
>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email 
>> list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to 
>> n6kr at elecraft.com
> 
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From ctate at ewnetinc.com  Wed May 17 23:20:16 2017
From: ctate at ewnetinc.com (Chris Tate - N6WM)
Date: Thu, 18 May 2017 03:20:16 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Fire in the house li-ion
In-Reply-To: <5685EC0C-5FC0-403A-99D1-084A2177568C@me.com>
References: <5721D1A0-CFBB-4849-AEB9-91ECCEA4EDFF@zendamateur.nu>
	<4464EBC7-8308-49F0-B15F-AF0342720441@elecraft.com>
	<236350B81BC09D42B8C3B41A97C654DD1D731299@AUSP01DAG0504.collaborationhost.net>,
	<5685EC0C-5FC0-403A-99D1-084A2177568C@me.com>
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Not "always" being charged, but most flight do have charge ports and it's quite conceivable that travelers could charge their GoPro battery packs on the plane.. not the wisest move but not everyone is wise

Thanks
~C.

> On May 17, 2017, at 7:42 PM, Jack Brindle <jackbrindle at me.com> wrote:
> 
> There is a big difference. They are not being charged while on the airplane. Most of the Lion problems occur while charging.
> 
> - Jack, W6FB
> 
> 
>> On May 17, 2017, at 4:27 PM, Chris Tate - N6WM <ctate at ewnetinc.com> wrote:
>> 
>> That?s horrible William.  So sorry for you loss.
>> 
>> I am sure many in this great community will rally to assist if needed OM.
>> 
>> That is really scary.  Can you imagine how many go-pro packs are in every airplane headed to a vacation destination..
>> 
>> Wow.  
>> 
>> GL
>> 
>> Chris
>> N6WM
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Wayne Burdick
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 3:59 PM
>> To: William Lagerberg <pe1bsb at zendamateur.nu>
>> Cc: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Fire in the house li-ion
>> 
>> So sorry to hear about this, William! Best of luck recovering from this tragedy.
>> 
>> I hope you?re able to salvage some of your ham gear. If you?re stuck without a rig, let me know. We might have a refurbished KX2 or KX3 we could loan you.
>> 
>> Perhaps this would be good time to remind everyone to be careful with Li-ion batteries for all products. For example, see page 2 of the KXBT2 battery pack instructions:
>> 
>>   http://www.elecraft.com/manual/E740288%20KXBC2%20and%20KXBT2%20Instructions,%20rev%20A5.pdf
>> 
>> Perhaps the most important line in this document is: "Do not leave the battery unattended during charging. Charge only on a nonflammable surface.
>> 
>> On behalf of Elecraft, 73,
>> 
>> Wayne
>> N6KR
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On May 17, 2017, at 2:29 PM, William Lagerberg <pe1bsb at zendamateur.nu> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Guys,
>>> 
>>> I want to give you a advice, my shack it (was) in the basement (cellar??) I do all my thing for the hobby there.
>>> A collega of mine asked me to take a look at two Go-Pro LI-Ion accu's because they where not loading anymore.
>>> 
>>> So I put the first one on the loader for 8 till 9 hours and checked it 
>>> and it was ok  ( with 10% loading current) Then I dit put the second one in same place at 10 in the morning at 3 my daughter called me there is a fire.
>>> We rusted to the cellar but I could not enter it was filled with dark smoke.
>>> 
>>> My shack is gone and 90 % off my house, I have insurance don?t now if 
>>> it is enough to cover all of my Elecraft stuff
>>> 
>>> My K1, my own build K2 my K3  and my KX3 are gone, I found my K1 in 20 cm off water really down under, I clean?t it with fresh water.
>>> After that flushed it with pure alcohol. It is completely taken apart today as far as is possible.
>>> I Hope it will survive I will let it dry for a lot of day?s
>>> 
>>> My K2 is melted the same as my P3 and my K3 perhaps I can order the outside of both, but a am still not allowed to enter the basement so I don?t know how it looks at the inside.
>>> 
>>> So finale the message is please take care with li-ion accuse battery?s. It did cost me our house in 1 hour.
>>> 
>>> http://www.nhnieuws.nl/nieuws/206119/bewoner-vlucht-met-dieren-pand-ui
>>> t-vanwege-grote-brand 
>>> <http://www.nhnieuws.nl/nieuws/206119/bewoner-vlucht-met-dieren-pand-u
>>> it-vanwege-grote-brand>
>>> 
>>> Regards William Pe1bsb
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From richarddnnr2 at gmail.com  Wed May 17 23:36:56 2017
From: richarddnnr2 at gmail.com (Richard Donner)
Date: Wed, 17 May 2017 20:36:56 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] New KX2 feature: Internal logging of outgoing CW/data
	text
Message-ID: <CAMRhQ7+=EAdQbCeNtO5z+utGxh+Os-60ctBQ04gMSRuVE3ZYwA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi  would like that for my kx3 too
Thanks  Richard

From Gunfighter26 at yahoo.com  Thu May 18 00:31:03 2017
From: Gunfighter26 at yahoo.com (Brad J. Butler)
Date: Wed, 17 May 2017 21:31:03 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Charging the KX2 battery with solar
In-Reply-To: <E272E90E-3F45-419F-A6DE-5026A0F62E2D@yahoo.com>
References: <E272E90E-3F45-419F-A6DE-5026A0F62E2D@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <00bf01d2cf8f$90e73470$b2b59d50$@yahoo.com>

Good afternoon everyone,

I have a Bioenno Power solar charge controller (SC-1220JU), and I'm
wondering if there would be any issues with charging the KX2's internal
battery with that charge controller.  Thanks for the help!

-Brad Butler
W6BJB/JS6TQS 


From n7cqr at arrl.net  Thu May 18 01:34:16 2017
From: n7cqr at arrl.net (Dan Presley)
Date: Wed, 17 May 2017 22:34:16 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KX 2 quick memories
Message-ID: <0C56A5CD-C00A-4D23-8B08-F7B87A619EF2@arrl.net>

Could use some help on storing/recalling the quick memories for the KX2. Whenever I try to start the procedure by holding down the STORE key it reverts to an already stored 'number' memory (e.g.5) and doesn't allow me to store the current VFO A into a quick memory. Any thoughts?
Dan Presley  N7CQR
n7cqr at arrl.net



From dh1ahl at yahoo.de  Thu May 18 03:34:18 2017
From: dh1ahl at yahoo.de (Adrian Helwig)
Date: Thu, 18 May 2017 07:34:18 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] New KX2 feature: Internal logging of outgoing
 CW/data	text
In-Reply-To: <881453DA-FEAB-4DC6-9C5E-E8E143E24FE9@elecraft.com>
References: <881453DA-FEAB-4DC6-9C5E-E8E143E24FE9@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <1316750271.445534.1495092858971@mail.yahoo.com>

Hi Wayne,
fantastic information! I think last Year during HAM Radio in Germany I was discussing this with Eric.... and there You go :)I'm also interested in having this on KX3 even if since I have KX2 the KX3 is more station transceiver it would really simplify logging process for occasional QSOs. And with PX3 You also have nice way to present the information.
Maybe You will some time implement also automatic logging features like Ulrich, N2DE is doing with his CW Machine (http://www.i2rtf.com/files/CWMachine.pdf). See page 57... only an idea :)
many thanks and regards from Germany

Adrian, DH1AHL
 

    Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com> schrieb am 22:04 Mittwoch, 17.Mai 2017:
 

 Logging of casual QSOs can be inconvenient when you're using the KX2 while hiking. You might be taking a break at a scenic overlook, using the rig like an HT, with one hand holding the rig and the other sending with the attached paddle. (This is in fact my favorite style of operation.)

For times like these, we?re adding an automatic logging feature to the KX2. When MENU:LOGBOOK is set to ON, the KX2 will record the last 2048 characters of your outgoing CW, PSK31/63, or RTTY text. The only requirement is that you use the rig's internal keyer, with either an attached paddle or an external one. 

2048 characters is enough for 50 to 100 contest-style QSOs, or about 5 to 10 casual, bare-bones QSOs. You can turn logging on/off easily by assigning the LOGBOOK menu entry to a programmable function (PF1-PF4). You might want to turn it on when starting a QSO, then turn it back off once you?ve sent the other station?s callsign, RST, etc.

To view the logged text, there will be a LOG display mode, accessed using the DISP switch. While in this mode, VFO A can be used to scroll forwards and backwards through the text. This allows you to review contacts you?ve made, perhaps sometime in the future when you have time to update a paper or computer log. Text can be erased by holding CLR while in LOG display mode. Transmitting exits LOG display mode immediately.

The logged text includes your band and mode changes (e.g. *14.0 CW*). Also, any time you're transmitting, a time stamp is generated once per minute. The time stamps don?t appear in the text itself. Instead, they're shown on VFO A as you scroll, e.g.:

? ? LOG 0030

The KXIO2 option module includes a real-time-clock. If a KXIO2 is installed, time stamps will reflect the actual 24-hour UTC time. Otherwise time stamps will reflect the relative time since the radio was turned on, which starts at 00:00.

Of course there are limitations to this logging method. But as long as you send each station?s callsign at least once during a QSO, you?ll have a record of it, along with the band, mode, and time. You could log additional QSO information, if desired, by continuing to transmit; power should be turned down to zero in this case.

This feature is likely to be available shortly after we get back from Dayton. We hope to add this to the KX3 as well, if there?s enough interest.

73,
Wayne
N6KR



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From ae5x at juno.com  Thu May 18 07:00:48 2017
From: ae5x at juno.com (John AE5X)
Date: Thu, 18 May 2017 11:00:48 GMT
Subject: [Elecraft]  Charging the KX2 battery with solar
Message-ID: <20170518.060048.7600.0@webmail01.vgs.untd.com>

>From Bioenno's own website on this particular charge controller:

"This solar controller is intended for 12V LiFePO4 Batteries Only"
https://www.bioennopower.com/products/12v-24v-20a-solar-charge-controller-mppt-for-lifepo4-batteries

LiFePO4 batteries are not Li-Ion batteries.

73,

John AE5X
http://ae5x.blogspot.com/
_______________________

I have a Bioenno Power solar charge controller (SC-1220JU), and I'm
wondering if there would be any issues with charging the KX2's internal
battery with that charge controller.  

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From rich at wc3t.us  Thu May 18 10:43:22 2017
From: rich at wc3t.us (rich hurd WC3T)
Date: Thu, 18 May 2017 10:43:22 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] New KX2 feature: Internal logging of outgoing
	CW/data text
In-Reply-To: <881453DA-FEAB-4DC6-9C5E-E8E143E24FE9@elecraft.com>
References: <881453DA-FEAB-4DC6-9C5E-E8E143E24FE9@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <CABYU7WgRpzbL4OGFtjNo6aG0AR6LxjRnxbA0zFgmnZi5mjVNjQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Wayne,

You may add me to the "KX3 interest" pileup (or pile-on depending on your
perspective.   Hi hi.)


On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 4:03 PM, Wayne Burdick n6kr at elecraft.com [KX3] <
KX3-noreply at yahoogroups.com> wrote:

>
>
> Logging of casual QSOs can be inconvenient when you're using the KX2 while
> hiking. You might be taking a break at a scenic overlook, using the rig
> like an HT, with one hand holding the rig and the other sending with the
> attached paddle. (This is in fact my favorite style of operation.)
>
> For times like these, we?re adding an automatic logging feature to the
> KX2. When MENU:LOGBOOK is set to ON, the KX2 will record the last 2048
> characters of your outgoing CW, PSK31/63, or RTTY text. The only
> requirement is that you use the rig's internal keyer, with either an
> attached paddle or an external one.
>
> 2048 characters is enough for 50 to 100 contest-style QSOs, or about 5 to
> 10 casual, bare-bones QSOs. You can turn logging on/off easily by assigning
> the LOGBOOK menu entry to a programmable function (PF1-PF4). You might want
> to turn it on when starting a QSO, then turn it back off once you?ve sent
> the other station?s callsign, RST, etc.
>
> To view the logged text, there will be a LOG display mode, accessed using
> the DISP switch. While in this mode, VFO A can be used to scroll forwards
> and backwards through the text. This allows you to review contacts you?ve
> made, perhaps sometime in the future when you have time to update a paper
> or computer log. Text can be erased by holding CLR while in LOG display
> mode. Transmitting exits LOG display mode immediately.
>
> The logged text includes your band and mode changes (e.g. *14.0 CW*).
> Also, any time you're transmitting, a time stamp is generated once per
> minute. The time stamps don?t appear in the text itself. Instead, they're
> shown on VFO A as you scroll, e.g.:
>
> LOG 0030
>
> The KXIO2 option module includes a real-time-clock. If a KXIO2 is
> installed, time stamps will reflect the actual 24-hour UTC time. Otherwise
> time stamps will reflect the relative time since the radio was turned on,
> which starts at 00:00.
>
> Of course there are limitations to this logging method. But as long as you
> send each station?s callsign at least once during a QSO, you?ll have a
> record of it, along with the band, mode, and time. You could log additional
> QSO information, if desired, by continuing to transmit; power should be
> turned down to zero in this case.
>
> This feature is likely to be available shortly after we get back from
> Dayton. We hope to add this to the KX3 as well, if there?s enough interest.
>
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR
>
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From ch at murgatroid.com  Thu May 18 11:19:00 2017
From: ch at murgatroid.com (Christopher Hoover)
Date: Thu, 18 May 2017 08:19:00 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Charging the KX2 battery with solar
In-Reply-To: <00bf01d2cf8f$90e73470$b2b59d50$@yahoo.com>
References: <E272E90E-3F45-419F-A6DE-5026A0F62E2D@yahoo.com>
	<00bf01d2cf8f$90e73470$b2b59d50$@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CACw0PsbvS0hKj2Qdbu2AKYGhKCbx_Z_SBYG=_yLBceweazWyTA@mail.gmail.com>

On the KX2, you have to remove the cover, unplug the battery from the
radio, and plug the battery into the external charger (KXBC2).

No reason you can't interface an external solar charge controller to the
battery.

-- Christopher
73 de AI6KG




On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 9:31 PM, Brad J. Butler via Elecraft <
elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:

> Good afternoon everyone,
>
> I have a Bioenno Power solar charge controller (SC-1220JU), and I'm
> wondering if there would be any issues with charging the KX2's internal
> battery with that charge controller.  Thanks for the help!
>
> -Brad Butler
> W6BJB/JS6TQS
>
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From terje at elde.net  Thu May 18 11:46:22 2017
From: terje at elde.net (Terje Elde)
Date: Thu, 18 May 2017 17:46:22 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] Charging the KX2 battery with solar
In-Reply-To: <CACw0PsbvS0hKj2Qdbu2AKYGhKCbx_Z_SBYG=_yLBceweazWyTA@mail.gmail.com>
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	<00bf01d2cf8f$90e73470$b2b59d50$@yahoo.com>
	<CACw0PsbvS0hKj2Qdbu2AKYGhKCbx_Z_SBYG=_yLBceweazWyTA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6346BB30-68AC-4787-9465-3B2F03A7F8C1@elde.net>


> On 18 May 2017, at 17:19, Christopher Hoover <ch at murgatroid.com> wrote:
> 
> No reason you can't interface an external solar charge controller to the
> battery.

The specific charger that was linked to is for a different battery chemistry though (LiFePo4), which has a different voltage range. You'd never charge it fully with the linked charger.

Terje Elde / LB8KH

From rpfjeld at outlook.com  Thu May 18 13:03:44 2017
From: rpfjeld at outlook.com (Richard Fjeld)
Date: Thu, 18 May 2017 17:03:44 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Fire in the house li-ion
In-Reply-To: <5721D1A0-CFBB-4849-AEB9-91ECCEA4EDFF@zendamateur.nu>
References: <5721D1A0-CFBB-4849-AEB9-91ECCEA4EDFF@zendamateur.nu>
Message-ID: <DM5PR1601MB1210CBEB56E9D3E153635CAABFE40@DM5PR1601MB1210.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>

Thank you very much for this advice.

I have often heard of fires due to Li-on batteries, but I have no idea of the nature of the ?fire?.  In other words, do  they burn, or do they explode scattering ignited fragments.

Knowing this would help in finding a safe container for charging them.  It is not practical to always avoid leaving  them unattended while charging.

 I?d like to know more about the bag someone mentioned, and if cooling is a problem.

Rich, n0ce

From: William Lagerberg<mailto:pe1bsb at zendamateur.nu>
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 4:30 PM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net<mailto:elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: [Elecraft] Fire in the house li-ion

Guys,

I want to give you a advice, my shack it (was) in the basement (cellar??) I do all my thing for the hobby there.
A collega of mine asked me to take a look at two Go-Pro LI-Ion accu's because they where not loading anymore.



From pa0pje at xs4all.nl  Thu May 18 13:17:45 2017
From: pa0pje at xs4all.nl (Peter Eijlander (PA0PJE))
Date: Thu, 18 May 2017 19:17:45 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] New KX2 feature: Internal logging of outgoing
 CW/data text
In-Reply-To: <CABYU7WgRpzbL4OGFtjNo6aG0AR6LxjRnxbA0zFgmnZi5mjVNjQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <881453DA-FEAB-4DC6-9C5E-E8E143E24FE9@elecraft.com>
	<CABYU7WgRpzbL4OGFtjNo6aG0AR6LxjRnxbA0zFgmnZi5mjVNjQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7996ca0a-3372-1584-c444-f8520c6a252a@xs4all.nl>

Nice feature, count me in too, Wayne!

Tnx es 72,
Peter

Op 2017-05-18 om 16:43 schreef rich hurd WC3T:
> Hi Wayne,
> 
> You may add me to the "KX3 interest" pileup (or pile-on depending on your
> perspective.   Hi hi.)

From z_kevino at hotmail.com  Thu May 18 13:20:48 2017
From: z_kevino at hotmail.com (kevino z)
Date: Thu, 18 May 2017 17:20:48 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Fire in the house li-ion
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Was the fire a result of the lithium battery or leaving a charger unattended while charging? I am not sure, but the charger I have has a temp probe that gets strapped on the LiFePo4 battery pack, and monitors it during the charging (in addition to balanced charging).
It is a sad event, that is for certain, and I am not criticizing...


-Kevin (KK4YEL) 

No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However, a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced !

> On May 18, 2017, at 12:05, Richard Fjeld <rpfjeld at outlook.com> wrote:
> 
> Thank you very much for this advice.
> 
> I have often heard of fires due to Li-on batteries, but I have no idea of the nature of the ?fire?.  In other words, do  they burn, or do they explode scattering ignited fragments.
> 
> Knowing this would help in finding a safe container for charging them.  It is not practical to always avoid leaving  them unattended while charging.
> 
> I?d like to know more about the bag someone mentioned, and if cooling is a problem.
> 
> Rich, n0ce
> 
> From: William Lagerberg<mailto:pe1bsb at zendamateur.nu>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 4:30 PM
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net<mailto:elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: [Elecraft] Fire in the house li-ion
> 
> Guys,
> 
> I want to give you a advice, my shack it (was) in the basement (cellar??) I do all my thing for the hobby there.
> A collega of mine asked me to take a look at two Go-Pro LI-Ion accu's because they where not loading anymore.
> 
> 
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From lightdazzled at gmail.com  Thu May 18 13:27:59 2017
From: lightdazzled at gmail.com (Chip Stratton)
Date: Thu, 18 May 2017 13:27:59 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Fire in the house li-ion
In-Reply-To: <DM5PR1601MB1210CBEB56E9D3E153635CAABFE40@DM5PR1601MB1210.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
References: <5721D1A0-CFBB-4849-AEB9-91ECCEA4EDFF@zendamateur.nu>
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I took an old LiIon battery pack out into the back yard, and from a safe
distanc shot it with a pellet gun. In short order it began violently
venting gases and gray smoke, no doubt at a very high temperature. I didn't
see flame, but it was daylight and  maybe too bright. It made a big
impression on me. The battery pack was heavily charred by the episode. I
don't doubt they could explode, but I don't think that is the typical
scenario.

Chip AE5KA

On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 1:03 PM, Richard Fjeld <rpfjeld at outlook.com> wrote:

> Thank you very much for this advice.
>
> I have often heard of fires due to Li-on batteries, but I have no idea of
> the nature of the ?fire?.  In other words, do  they burn, or do they
> explode scattering ignited fragments.
>
> Knowing this would help in finding a safe container for charging them.  It
> is not practical to always avoid leaving  them unattended while charging.
>
>  I?d like to know more about the bag someone mentioned, and if cooling is
> a problem.
>
> Rich, n0ce
>
> From: William Lagerberg<mailto:pe1bsb at zendamateur.nu>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 4:30 PM
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net<mailto:elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: [Elecraft] Fire in the house li-ion
>
> Guys,
>
> I want to give you a advice, my shack it (was) in the basement (cellar??)
> I do all my thing for the hobby there.
> A collega of mine asked me to take a look at two Go-Pro LI-Ion accu's
> because they where not loading anymore.
>
>
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From jamesd at moselle.com  Thu May 18 13:11:15 2017
From: jamesd at moselle.com (James Doty)
Date: Thu, 18 May 2017 10:11:15 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Elecraft] Fire in the house li-ion
In-Reply-To: <CAPF-ba0Oa1FZbvEdLu-iPEzYisuCqxAJOcQfLOL+oyGUM3xELQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5721D1A0-CFBB-4849-AEB9-91ECCEA4EDFF@zendamateur.nu>
	<DM5PR1601MB1210CBEB56E9D3E153635CAABFE40@DM5PR1601MB1210.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
	<CAPF-ba0Oa1FZbvEdLu-iPEzYisuCqxAJOcQfLOL+oyGUM3xELQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.BSF.2.00.1705181009360.70691@tara.technosattva.org>

I crashed an r/c helicopter in one of the gyms at the school district
where I work.

The battery pack did burst in to flames as Jessie KB7PSG can attest.  It
was kind of scary.

From kevin at k4vd.net  Thu May 18 13:50:35 2017
From: kevin at k4vd.net (Kevin - K4VD)
Date: Thu, 18 May 2017 13:50:35 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Fire in the house li-ion
In-Reply-To: <MWHPR15MB1166127850C3549D6A033863FAE40@MWHPR15MB1166.namprd15.prod.outlook.com>
References: <5721D1A0-CFBB-4849-AEB9-91ECCEA4EDFF@zendamateur.nu>
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I'm not sure how much I would trust the temperature strap. Certainly not
enough to leave it charging unattended. These things, from what I see on
Youtube, start their reaction on the inside and violently explode. I am not
sure reading case temperatures would give warning soon enough.

Maybe I missed this in the thread but can someone cite an authoritative and
maybe trustworthy source for Lithium battery safety? So many old spouse
tales seem to have grown up around this technology.

Kev K4VD

On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 1:20 PM, kevino z <z_kevino at hotmail.com> wrote:

> Was the fire a result of the lithium battery or leaving a charger
> unattended while charging? I am not sure, but the charger I have has a temp
> probe that gets strapped on the LiFePo4 battery pack, and monitors it
> during the charging (in addition to balanced charging).
> It is a sad event, that is for certain, and I am not criticizing...
>
>
> -Kevin (KK4YEL)
>
> No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However, a large
> number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced !
>
> > On May 18, 2017, at 12:05, Richard Fjeld <rpfjeld at outlook.com> wrote:
> >
> > Thank you very much for this advice.
> >
> > I have often heard of fires due to Li-on batteries, but I have no idea
> of the nature of the ?fire?.  In other words, do  they burn, or do they
> explode scattering ignited fragments.
> >
> > Knowing this would help in finding a safe container for charging them.
> It is not practical to always avoid leaving  them unattended while charging.
> >
> > I?d like to know more about the bag someone mentioned, and if cooling is
> a problem.
> >
> > Rich, n0ce
> >
> > From: William Lagerberg<mailto:pe1bsb at zendamateur.nu>
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 4:30 PM
> > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net<mailto:elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> > Subject: [Elecraft] Fire in the house li-ion
> >
> > Guys,
> >
> > I want to give you a advice, my shack it (was) in the basement
> (cellar??) I do all my thing for the hobby there.
> > A collega of mine asked me to take a look at two Go-Pro LI-Ion accu's
> because they where not loading anymore.
> >
> >
> > ______________________________________________________________
> > Elecraft mailing list
> > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
> > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
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> >
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From k6dgw at foothill.net  Thu May 18 14:04:48 2017
From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen)
Date: Thu, 18 May 2017 11:04:48 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Fire in the house li-ion
In-Reply-To: <CAPF-ba0Oa1FZbvEdLu-iPEzYisuCqxAJOcQfLOL+oyGUM3xELQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5721D1A0-CFBB-4849-AEB9-91ECCEA4EDFF@zendamateur.nu>
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I was using a tiny Li-Poly pack about the size of a small matchbox that 
I got from the local RC model store with my KX1 when it began to smoke.  
Fortunately,I had it on a pigtail, was out on the deck in a Spartan 
Sprint, and could unplug it and fling it over the railing to the gravel 
driveway.

There were no flames or major explosions, but there were a lot of sparks 
and quite a bit of smoke for such a small package.  The pyrotechnic 
display went on for perhaps 40-50 seconds, followed by some low-key 
fizzing and popping.  It left a burned mark in the gravel when it was 
cool. NOTE: This happened while discharging the battery, and I wasn't 
transmitting at the moment.

I struggled through required Chemistry in college, but I did learn 
enough about that particular column in the Periodic Table to avoid 
getting the hose. [:-)

I have always charged all of my lithium-ish batteries outside from a 
solar panelso they contain only green and no brown electronsfor events 
where that matters. I usually put the battery in a metal coffee can. 
Ibelieve, but do not know for sure, that LiFePO4 chemistry is quite a 
bit more stable than others.

73,

Fred ("Skip") K6DGW
Sparks NV USA
Washoe County DM09dn

On 5/18/2017 10:27 AM, Chip Stratton wrote:
> I took an old LiIon battery pack out into the back yard, and from a safe
> distanc shot it with a pellet gun. In short order it began violently
> venting gases and gray smoke, no doubt at a very high temperature. I didn't
> see flame, but it was daylight and  maybe too bright. It made a big
> impression on me. The battery pack was heavily charred by the episode. I
> don't doubt they could explode, but I don't think that is the typical
> scenario.
>
> Chip AE5KA
>
> On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 1:03 PM, Richard Fjeld <rpfjeld at outlook.com> wrote:
>
>> Thank you very much for this advice.
>>
>> I have often heard of fires due to Li-on batteries, but I have no idea of
>> the nature of the ?fire?.  In other words, do  they burn, or do they
>> explode scattering ignited fragments.
>>


From woody at albe24.com  Thu May 18 16:51:03 2017
From: woody at albe24.com (woody)
Date: Thu, 18 May 2017 20:51:03 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 Trouble - Help?
Message-ID: <14d15ce1-7845-5476-f1e2-7bb72c001c69@albe24.com>

I sent the note below to support, but thought I would also post here.  
It has been working fine for years.   Opened the case to do an alignment 
and developed a problem.  Anyone on the reflector have a suggestion?
--------------------------------

I have an elderly K2 (S/N 02600)  that had been working well. After all 
these years, it was about 200 Hz off frequency so I proceeded to do an 
alignment.  Got it pretty close, but the trim cap (C22) would not pull 
quite on freq.  Close enough maybe...

Proceeded with band by band alignment / peaking.  All bands peaked as 
expected except 17M, (maybe 15M too)....   No change when adjusting C32 
& C34  for 17M.

More symptoms:
* Stepping up the bands is normal until going from 20M to 17M. Then:  
17M and 15M are reversed from normal progression.
e.g:  160, 80, 40, 30, 20, _*15, 17*_, 12, 10
* System Rx noise is significantly reduced on 17 & 15.
* In CW mode, the Tx freq is OK on all but 15 & 17.

The display reads as expected on 15 & 17 - as VFO is adjusted.   But, my 
freq counter indicates the actual Tx output freq is different and does 
not change when the display freq is changed:
Example...  For 17, the Display indicates 18.120, the output is on 
18.766+-.  For 15, the display indicates 21.265, the output is 
21.434+-.  It is also receiving on the (actual but wrong) Tx freqs.  
Changing the VFO changes the display but does not change the actual TX 
or Rx frequency which seems to always be the same.

I am stumped!!!   Can you offer any suggestions as to what might be 
happening???

Thanks,
Woody, KZ4AK   (Formerly WB4QXE)


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From btippett at alum.mit.edu  Thu May 18 17:08:05 2017
From: btippett at alum.mit.edu (Bill W4ZV)
Date: Thu, 18 May 2017 14:08:05 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] Fire in the house li-ion
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N0CE wrote:

/"I?d like to know more about the bag someone mentioned"/

744 hits for "fireproof charging bag lipo":

http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_odkw=fireproof+charging+bag&_osacat=0&_from=R40&_trksid=p2045573.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.H0.Xfireproof+charging+bag+lipo.TRS1&_nkw=fireproof+charging+bag+lipo&_sacat=0

This incident is a really good reminder for all of us!  When I got several
LiPO batteries and a charger several years ago, I also got a bag like this:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Fireproof-RC-Lipo-Battery-Safe-Bag-Sleeve-Lipo-Guard-Charge-Storage-bag-9-x11-8-/321816396647?hash=item4aedc08367:g:2UsAAOSwPhdVA5Jj

I always charge outside our house with the bag sitting on concrete or a
paving stone.  I also carefully inspect my LiPOs for swelling which
indicates problems.  Better safe than sorry!

73,  Bill  W4ZV  



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From glcazzola at alice.it  Thu May 18 17:10:50 2017
From: glcazzola at alice.it (glcazzola at alice.it)
Date: Thu, 18 May 2017 23:10:50 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 NEW BETA FIRMWARE AVAILABLE !
Message-ID: <15c1d661e49.glcazzola@alice.it>

I just downloaded from  ftp://ftp.elecraft.com/K3/firmware/beta     the new beta firmware 5.60 and installed it on my K3S.As usually all worked very well immediately.Great Elecraft, thanks Wayne &amp; Eric!Ian IK4EWX

From ghyoungman at gmail.com  Thu May 18 17:19:17 2017
From: ghyoungman at gmail.com (GRANT YOUNGMAN)
Date: Thu, 18 May 2017 17:19:17 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Fire in the house li-ion
In-Reply-To: <1495141685713-7630810.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <5721D1A0-CFBB-4849-AEB9-91ECCEA4EDFF@zendamateur.nu>
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Maybe ? there are a lot of YouTube videos that show this type of bag being totally destroyed by the contained batteries, flames shooting out in spectacular fashion, etc.

One guy in a video went so far as to build a ?containment vessel? of concrete blocks and cement board for a lid.  IMHO, if you have to go to these extremes to safely charge a battery, you have to question whether you really want to use those batteries :-)


> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Fireproof-RC-Lipo-Battery-Safe-Bag-Sleeve-Lipo-Guard-Charge-Storage-bag-9-x11-8-/321816396647?hash=item4aedc08367:g:2UsAAOSwPhdVA5Jj

Grant NQ5T
K3 #2091, KX3 #8342




From ron at cobi.biz  Thu May 18 17:47:06 2017
From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire)
Date: Thu, 18 May 2017 14:47:06 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Fire in the house li-ion
In-Reply-To: <d7237529-07a9-29f3-935d-3b6ae33c1d5d@foothill.net>
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Ouch, Fred!  

One of the standard airline emergency procedures for a smoking/burning/fizzing phone or other personal electronics is to submerge it in water or wrap wet towels around it to reduce the temperature and keep it from igniting nearby flammable materials. 

It's my understanding that the weakness is more mechanical than chemical. You may know that the insulation within modern Li-Poly (and similar) battery cells is in the order of a few molecules thick. If you could see the insulating layer with your naked eye, such an insulator next to a human hair would have the hair looking like a mountain range by comparison. 

Once one insulator is breached for any reason, the heat released is usually sufficient to cause other inter-cell insulators in the pack to breach in a cascading effect that releases all the energy within a few seconds, hence the heat and if anything even slightly flammable is near it, flames, smoke and gasses.

It all comes down to the care with which the battery was assembled and tested, and the care with which it is used - not overcharging it, not subjecting the battery to excessive shock, etc.

While I have some of those batteries in my cameras, personal electronics, etc., they are never stored or charged near anything won't burst into flames even if subjected to molten iron for half a minute or more. 

A good friend often describes cellular phones as a 'great technology that ALMOST works'. I put modern high-energy capacity batteries in the same category. 

73, Ron AC7AC





-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Fred Jensen
Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2017 11:05 AM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Fire in the house li-ion

I was using a tiny Li-Poly pack about the size of a small matchbox that I got from the local RC model store with my KX1 when it began to smoke.  
Fortunately,I had it on a pigtail, was out on the deck in a Spartan Sprint, and could unplug it and fling it over the railing to the gravel driveway.

There were no flames or major explosions, but there were a lot of sparks and quite a bit of smoke for such a small package.  The pyrotechnic display went on for perhaps 40-50 seconds, followed by some low-key fizzing and popping.  It left a burned mark in the gravel when it was cool. NOTE: This happened while discharging the battery, and I wasn't transmitting at the moment.

I struggled through required Chemistry in college, but I did learn enough about that particular column in the Periodic Table to avoid getting the hose. [:-)

I have always charged all of my lithium-ish batteries outside from a solar panelso they contain only green and no brown electronsfor events where that matters. I usually put the battery in a metal coffee can. 
Ibelieve, but do not know for sure, that LiFePO4 chemistry is quite a bit more stable than others.

73,

Fred ("Skip") K6DGW
Sparks NV USA
Washoe County DM09dn



From btippett at alum.mit.edu  Thu May 18 18:01:54 2017
From: btippett at alum.mit.edu (Bill W4ZV)
Date: Thu, 18 May 2017 15:01:54 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] Fire in the house li-ion
In-Reply-To: <11241D2D-E4B4-4771-8E54-940BEB343404@gmail.com>
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Grant Youngman-2 wrote
> Maybe ? there are a lot of YouTube videos that show this type of bag being
> totally destroyed by the contained batteries, flames shooting out in
> spectacular fashion, etc.
> 
> One guy in a video went so far as to build a ?containment vessel? of
> concrete blocks and cement board for a lid.  IMHO, if you have to go to
> these extremes to safely charge a battery, you have to question whether
> you really want to use those batteries :-)

LiPO's energy density (mAh/ounce) is why they're popular for powering
helicopters.  This website has excellent knowledge that anyone using them
should be aware of.  Not to say there aren't some Darwin Award candidates
using them.  ;-)  I've never had any problems but I follow charging, care
and storage recommendations religiously.

http://www.rchelisite.com/lipo_battery_charging_and_safety_guide.php

73,  Bill  W4ZV






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From jlally at icehouse.net  Thu May 18 18:37:51 2017
From: jlally at icehouse.net (John Lally)
Date: Thu, 18 May 2017 15:37:51 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] dBV reading on Kx3
Message-ID: <003701d2d027$633008c0$29901a40$@icehouse.net>

What should the dBV reading on the kx3 when it is connected to a dummy load,
the agc is off, and no preamp?

 

Mine shows +68.4 dBV

 

John

W7JJL


From 2mysystem at gmail.com  Thu May 18 18:41:13 2017
From: 2mysystem at gmail.com (Chas H)
Date: Thu, 18 May 2017 17:41:13 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] HF Antennas for KX3 Hand-Held/Hiking/Portable?
Message-ID: <CALfMmK+F_6Nu7MD3fwfyFxeAvavAQNk+8LQfZbGQ8psVyVvY=A@mail.gmail.com>

I am looking for HF antenna options (primarily 17m + 20m) that will work
for hand-held portable while hiking with my KX3.  Preferable something that
will connect directly to the BNC jack on the side of the radio.  I'll be
hiking for 6 days in Glacier National Park and looking for practical
antennas to use.

What are you using when you go HF hand-held?  Do you drag a counterpoise as
well?

Thanks + 73,
Charlie de K0CKH

From kk7p4dsp at gmail.com  Thu May 18 18:43:51 2017
From: kk7p4dsp at gmail.com (Lyle Johnson)
Date: Thu, 18 May 2017 15:43:51 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] dBV reading on Kx3
In-Reply-To: <003701d2d027$633008c0$29901a40$@icehouse.net>
References: <003701d2d027$633008c0$29901a40$@icehouse.net>
Message-ID: <966e0886-05f9-b468-5054-4f469937865b@gmail.com>

Nothing meaningful.

First, read AFV and for a couple of readings to set the reference. Then 
go to dBV.  dBV will then show you the difference in dB between the 
current signal and the reference.  On a dummy load it'll bobble around a 
low value since it is just thermal noise and not a signal you are measuring.

73,

Lyle KK7P


On 5/18/17 3:37 PM, John Lally wrote:
> What should the dBV reading on the kx3 when it is connected to a dummy load,
> the agc is off, and no preamp?


From wunder at wunderwood.org  Thu May 18 18:55:45 2017
From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood)
Date: Thu, 18 May 2017 15:55:45 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] dBV reading on Kx3
In-Reply-To: <966e0886-05f9-b468-5054-4f469937865b@gmail.com>
References: <003701d2d027$633008c0$29901a40$@icehouse.net>
	<966e0886-05f9-b468-5054-4f469937865b@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9D189E94-F78F-4779-9939-8A6EE7D8762C@wunderwood.org>

To expand on Lyle?s correct answer, the dBV reading is designed to be used as a relative measure. Read the description on page 22 of the KX3 manual.

http://www.elecraft.com/manual/E740163%20KX3%20Owner's%20man%20Rev%20C5.pdf <http://www.elecraft.com/manual/E740163%20KX3%20Owner's%20man%20Rev%20C5.pdf>

I think it is really cool that Elecraft documents these internal receiver test points. I?m sure they exist in other radios, but they are undocumented, factory-only readouts. Does any other rig display PA temp, let alone oscillator temp?

Walter Underwood
wunder at wunderwood.org
http://observer.wunderwood.org/  (my blog)


> On May 18, 2017, at 3:43 PM, Lyle Johnson <kk7p4dsp at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Nothing meaningful.
> 
> First, read AFV and for a couple of readings to set the reference. Then go to dBV.  dBV will then show you the difference in dB between the current signal and the reference.  On a dummy load it'll bobble around a low value since it is just thermal noise and not a signal you are measuring.
> 
> 73,
> 
> Lyle KK7P
> 
> 
> On 5/18/17 3:37 PM, John Lally wrote:
>> What should the dBV reading on the kx3 when it is connected to a dummy load,
>> the agc is off, and no preamp?
> 
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From phystad at mac.com  Thu May 18 20:23:06 2017
From: phystad at mac.com (Phil Hystad)
Date: Thu, 18 May 2017 17:23:06 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] OT -- Ham radio operators contribute to protecting the
	Earth
Message-ID: <0DB5CECE-B63B-45F4-A65C-75E5F655C912@mac.com>

I thought some other ham operators might like to read how they are helping
to build a protective bubble around the Earth.

https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2017/05/wow-guys/527193/

73, phil, K7PEH


From woody at albe24.com  Thu May 18 20:28:45 2017
From: woody at albe24.com (woody)
Date: Fri, 19 May 2017 00:28:45 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] More data on my K2 problem
Message-ID: <e9c27b50-0d4a-d51b-d1f0-83111d0f4f65@albe24.com>

Took more measurements, Ref the K2 manual (Rev C) Pg 57, 58...
-----------------------------------------------------------------
_4 MHz Osc Cal_:
Setting C22 with well calibrated outboard counter, the counter at TP3 
indicated 12,096.62.  As close as C22 would adjust was a K2 display of 
12,095.89.

_PLL Ref Osc Range Test_
Ref High Freq = 12.104.37
Ref Low Freq = 12.08237

_VCO Test
Voltage readings_ (left end R30)  Note (*) that in the table below the 
band progression still has  15M and 18M progression *reversed* (see 
earlier, below).  Also note ZERO volts at 18000 !

3500 - 2.06 volts
7000 - 2.98
10000 - 5.13
14000 - 4.27
* 21000 - 8.22
* 18000 - ZERO (0.02v)
24.800 - 6.82
28000 - 4.74

Hope this is some help.   Thanks again,  Woody
------------Earlier email is below----------------

On 5/18/2017 20:18, woody wrote:
Hello,

I have an elderly K2 (S/N 02600)  that had been working well. After all 
these years, it was about 200 Hz off frequency so I proceeded to do an 
alignment.  Got it pretty close, but the trim cap (C22) would not pull 
quite on freq.  Close enough maybe...

Proceeded with band by band alignment / peaking.  All bands peaked as 
expected except 17M, (maybe 15M too)....   No change when adjusting C32 
& C34  for 17M.

More symptoms:
* Stepping up the bands is normal until going from 20M to 17M. Then:  
17M and 15M are reversed from normal progression.
e.g:  160, 80, 40, 30, 20, _*15, 17*_, 12, 10
* System Rx noise is significantly reduced on 17 & 15.
* In CW mode, the Tx freq is OK on all but 15 & 17.

The display reads as expected on 15 & 17 - as VFO is adjusted. But, my 
freq counter indicates the actual Tx output freq is different and does 
not change when the display freq is changed:
Example...  For 17, the Display indicates 18.120, the output is on 
18.766+-.  For 15, the display indicates 21.265, the output is 
21.434+-.  It is also receiving on the (actual but wrong) Tx freqs.  
Changing the VFO changes the display but does not change the actual TX 
or Rx frequency which seems to always be the same.

I am stumped!!!   Can you offer any suggestions as to what might be 
happening???

Thanks,
Woody, KZ4AK   (Formerly WB4QXE)

-- 

From jm-ec at themarvins.org  Thu May 18 20:44:31 2017
From: jm-ec at themarvins.org (John Marvin)
Date: Thu, 18 May 2017 18:44:31 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] OT -- Ham radio operators contribute to protecting
 the Earth
In-Reply-To: <0DB5CECE-B63B-45F4-A65C-75E5F655C912@mac.com>
References: <0DB5CECE-B63B-45F4-A65C-75E5F655C912@mac.com>
Message-ID: <591E3FEF.40403@themarvins.org>

Perhaps you are confusing VLF with VHF? The article talks about VLF 
transmissions. VLF is 3-30 Khz. There are no ham bands in that range.

73,

John
AC0ZG

On 5/18/2017 6:23 PM, Phil Hystad wrote:
> I thought some other ham operators might like to read how they are helping
> to build a protective bubble around the Earth.
>
> https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2017/05/wow-guys/527193/
>
> 73, phil, K7PEH
>
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From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Thu May 18 21:58:36 2017
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Thu, 18 May 2017 21:58:36 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 Trouble - Help?
In-Reply-To: <14d15ce1-7845-5476-f1e2-7bb72c001c69@albe24.com>
References: <14d15ce1-7845-5476-f1e2-7bb72c001c69@albe24.com>
Message-ID: <37139169-6e3f-92df-3ff6-65ec925d7ab7@embarqmail.com>

Woodie,

You have apparently dialed the VFO from one band to another on 17m and 
15m.  The K2 VFO will not follow that much outside the ham bands (even 
thought the VFO display will change).

The fix is easy - do a Direct Frequency Entry to a frequency within the 
ham band for both bands.
Then re-do the bandpass filter alignment for those 2 bands - 15 meters 
first, and then 17 meters.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 5/18/2017 4:51 PM, woody wrote:

>
> I have an elderly K2 (S/N 02600)  that had been working well. After all
> these years, it was about 200 Hz off frequency so I proceeded to do an
> alignment.  Got it pretty close, but the trim cap (C22) would not pull
> quite on freq.  Close enough maybe...
>
> Proceeded with band by band alignment / peaking.  All bands peaked as
> expected except 17M, (maybe 15M too)....   No change when adjusting C32
> & C34  for 17M.
>
> More symptoms:
> * Stepping up the bands is normal until going from 20M to 17M. Then:
> 17M and 15M are reversed from normal progression.
> e.g:  160, 80, 40, 30, 20, _*15, 17*_, 12, 10
> * System Rx noise is significantly reduced on 17 & 15.
> * In CW mode, the Tx freq is OK on all but 15 & 17.
>
> The display reads as expected on 15 & 17 - as VFO is adjusted.   But, my
> freq counter indicates the actual Tx output freq is different and does
> not change when the display freq is changed:
> Example...  For 17, the Display indicates 18.120, the output is on
> 18.766+-.  For 15, the display indicates 21.265, the output is
> 21.434+-.  It is also receiving on the (actual but wrong) Tx freqs.
> Changing the VFO changes the display but does not change the actual TX
> or Rx frequency which seems to always be the same.
>
> I am stumped!!!   Can you offer any suggestions as to what might be
> happening???

From phystad at mac.com  Thu May 18 22:08:02 2017
From: phystad at mac.com (Phil Hystad)
Date: Thu, 18 May 2017 19:08:02 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] OT -- Ham radio operators contribute to protecting
 the Earth
In-Reply-To: <591E3FEF.40403@themarvins.org>
References: <0DB5CECE-B63B-45F4-A65C-75E5F655C912@mac.com>
	<591E3FEF.40403@themarvins.org>
Message-ID: <D1417F40-9C23-48B6-BC68-EEC61CE6EE7D@mac.com>

No confusion ? I just thought it was interesting and thought others would be interested.


> On May 18, 2017, at 5:44 PM, John Marvin <jm-ec at themarvins.org> wrote:
> 
> Perhaps you are confusing VLF with VHF? The article talks about VLF transmissions. VLF is 3-30 Khz. There are no ham bands in that range.
> 
> 73,
> 
> John
> AC0ZG
> 
> On 5/18/2017 6:23 PM, Phil Hystad wrote:
>> I thought some other ham operators might like to read how they are helping
>> to build a protective bubble around the Earth.
>> 
>> https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2017/05/wow-guys/527193/
>> 
>> 73, phil, K7PEH
>> 
>> ______________________________________________________________
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From jaunti at gmail.com  Thu May 18 22:10:34 2017
From: jaunti at gmail.com (Jan Timmers)
Date: Thu, 18 May 2017 19:10:34 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] HF Antennas for KX3 Hand-Held/Hiking/Portable?
In-Reply-To: <CALfMmK+F_6Nu7MD3fwfyFxeAvavAQNk+8LQfZbGQ8psVyVvY=A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALfMmK+F_6Nu7MD3fwfyFxeAvavAQNk+8LQfZbGQ8psVyVvY=A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CANa_i+hcTwsRowUaMd3cT45xFxoFs97kEQO60LtVYkuwTN8OxA@mail.gmail.com>

Some people have suggested this item from MFJ will do the trick.

http://www.mfjenterprises.com/Product.php?productid=MFJ-1620T is for 20m.
They also have another for 17m.

On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 3:41 PM, Chas H <2mysystem at gmail.com> wrote:

> I am looking for HF antenna options (primarily 17m + 20m) that will work
> for hand-held portable while hiking with my KX3.  Preferable something that
> will connect directly to the BNC jack on the side of the radio.  I'll be
> hiking for 6 days in Glacier National Park and looking for practical
> antennas to use.
>
> What are you using when you go HF hand-held?  Do you drag a counterpoise as
> well?
>
> Thanks + 73,
> Charlie de K0CKH
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-- 
Regards;
John Timmers

From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Thu May 18 22:20:15 2017
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Thu, 18 May 2017 22:20:15 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] More data on my K2 problem
In-Reply-To: <e9c27b50-0d4a-d51b-d1f0-83111d0f4f65@albe24.com>
References: <e9c27b50-0d4a-d51b-d1f0-83111d0f4f65@albe24.com>
Message-ID: <ee44ce0a-f8db-b3fb-bf9d-5908ad506d9a@embarqmail.com>

Woodie,
In addition to your 15 and 17 meter problem (see my prior email), I have 
the following questions.

Is that the maximum or minimum frequency?
A few K2s need additional range for the capacitors around the crystal.
If the frequency is too high, it is easy to lower it with a parallel low 
value capacitor (try 10pF).
If that drives it in the wrong direction, you will need to reduce the 
value of C21 - try 27pF and if that is not enough try 22pF.

Be certain your frequency counter is truly accurate.  I can do that 
measurement with my frequency counter, but it is accurate to 10exp-9.
If you have any doubt about that counter accuracy, use the N6KR method 
when tuned to the highest frequency WWV signal that you can receive. 
Details on this method can be seen on my webpage www.w3fpr.com - article 
on K2 frequency calibration.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 5/18/2017 8:28 PM, woody wrote:
> Took more measurements, Ref the K2 manual (Rev C) Pg 57, 58...
> -----------------------------------------------------------------
> _4 MHz Osc Cal_:
> Setting C22 with well calibrated outboard counter, the counter at TP3
> indicated 12,096.62.  As close as C22 would adjust was a K2 display of
> 12,095.89.
>
> _PLL Ref Osc Range Test_
> Ref High Freq = 12.104.37
> Ref Low Freq = 12.08237
>
> _VCO Test
> Voltage readings_ (left end R30)  Note (*) that in the table below the
> band progression still has  15M and 18M progression *reversed* (see
> earlier, below).  Also note ZERO volts at 18000 !
>
> 3500 - 2.06 volts
> 7000 - 2.98
> 10000 - 5.13
> 14000 - 4.27
> * 21000 - 8.22
> * 18000 - ZERO (0.02v)
> 24.800 - 6.82
> 28000 - 4.74
>
> Hope this is some help.   Thanks again,  Woody
> ------------Earlier email is below----------------
>
> On 5/18/2017 20:18, woody wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I have an elderly K2 (S/N 02600)  that had been working well. After all
> these years, it was about 200 Hz off frequency so I proceeded to do an
> alignment.  Got it pretty close, but the trim cap (C22) would not pull
> quite on freq.  Close enough maybe...
>
> Proceeded with band by band alignment / peaking.  All bands peaked as
> expected except 17M, (maybe 15M too)....   No change when adjusting C32
> & C34  for 17M.
>
> More symptoms:
> * Stepping up the bands is normal until going from 20M to 17M. Then:
> 17M and 15M are reversed from normal progression.
> e.g:  160, 80, 40, 30, 20, _*15, 17*_, 12, 10
> * System Rx noise is significantly reduced on 17 & 15.
> * In CW mode, the Tx freq is OK on all but 15 & 17.
>
> The display reads as expected on 15 & 17 - as VFO is adjusted. But, my
> freq counter indicates the actual Tx output freq is different and does
> not change when the display freq is changed:
> Example...  For 17, the Display indicates 18.120, the output is on
> 18.766+-.  For 15, the display indicates 21.265, the output is
> 21.434+-.  It is also receiving on the (actual but wrong) Tx freqs.
> Changing the VFO changes the display but does not change the actual TX
> or Rx frequency which seems to always be the same.
>
> I am stumped!!!   Can you offer any suggestions as to what might be
> happening???
>
> Thanks,
> Woody, KZ4AK   (Formerly WB4QXE)
>

From ghyoungman at gmail.com  Thu May 18 22:20:57 2017
From: ghyoungman at gmail.com (GRANT YOUNGMAN)
Date: Thu, 18 May 2017 22:20:57 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] HF Antennas for KX3 Hand-Held/Hiking/Portable?
In-Reply-To: <CANa_i+hcTwsRowUaMd3cT45xFxoFs97kEQO60LtVYkuwTN8OxA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALfMmK+F_6Nu7MD3fwfyFxeAvavAQNk+8LQfZbGQ8psVyVvY=A@mail.gmail.com>
	<CANa_i+hcTwsRowUaMd3cT45xFxoFs97kEQO60LtVYkuwTN8OxA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E422FBCE-30B4-47B7-8E55-BD3692C6D3F7@gmail.com>

The 18xxt series whips have BNC connectors and can go right on the radio.  They?re also smaller (13? collapsed) and easier to pack for hiking.  


> On May 18, 2017, at 10:10 PM, Jan Timmers <jaunti at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Some people have suggested this item from MFJ will do the trick.
> 
> http://www.mfjenterprises.com/Product.php?productid=MFJ-1620T is for 20m.
> They also have another for 17m.
> 
> On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 3:41 PM, Chas H <2mysystem at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> I am looking for HF antenna options (primarily 17m + 20m) that will work
>> for hand-held portable while hiking with my KX3.  Preferable something that
>> will connect directly to the BNC jack on the side of the radio.  I'll be
>> hiking for 6 days in Glacier National Park and looking for practical
>> antennas to use.
>> 

Grant NQ5T
K3 #2091, KX3 #8342




From kk5f at earthlink.net  Thu May 18 22:21:09 2017
From: kk5f at earthlink.net (Mike Morrow)
Date: Thu, 18 May 2017 21:21:09 -0500 (GMT-05:00)
Subject: [Elecraft] OT -- Ham radio operators contribute to protecting
 the Earth
Message-ID: <11438863.15924.1495160469466@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

That's true...VLF!  Those of us who served on ballistic missile submarines were part of the motivation for those megawatt-output coast stations around 15 kHz.

But let's not forget all the localized radiation on VLF coming from hundreds of millions of TVs with horizontal sweep tubes and power transistors from pre-21st century non-HD TV sets.  It all adds up...with nary a ham station part of it.  :-)

Mike / KK5F

-----Original Message-----
>From: John Marvin <jm-ec at themarvins.org>
>Sent: May 18, 2017 7:44 PM
>
>Perhaps you are confusing VLF with VHF? The article talks about VLF 
>transmissions. VLF is 3-30 Khz. There are no ham bands in that range.
>
>73,
>
>John
>AC0ZG
>
>On 5/18/2017 6:23 PM, Phil Hystad wrote:
>> I thought some other ham operators might like to read how they are helping
>> to build a protective bubble around the Earth.
>>
>> https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2017/05/wow-guys/527193/
>>
>> 73, phil, K7PEH

From ron at cobi.biz  Thu May 18 22:43:00 2017
From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire)
Date: Thu, 18 May 2017 19:43:00 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] OT -- Ham radio operators contribute to protecting
	the	Earth
In-Reply-To: <0DB5CECE-B63B-45F4-A65C-75E5F655C912@mac.com>
References: <0DB5CECE-B63B-45F4-A65C-75E5F655C912@mac.com>
Message-ID: <000301d2d049$a22aa720$e67ff560$@biz>

Very interesting Phil thanks, but I believe there were far more VLF and MF
transmissions back in the time period from 1900 to 1940 than there are
today. 

For a long time it was believed that longer wavelengths (lower frequencies)
were essential for long-range communications. That is why shipboard
communications and point-to-point communications were focused on the
frequencies below 450 kHz - the lower the better. 

The AM "standard broadcast band" was established in about 550 to 1600 kHz
believing that those frequencies were only useful for short ranges up to a
few tens of miles, which is what the commercial broadcast station
allocations were designed to serve. 

Of course us Hams were given use of the shorter wavelengths (200 meters or
less in wavelengths - or about 1600 kHz or above in frequency) because it
was "obvious" someone would be lucky to communicate across a small town with
them, if that far. 

And then that all changed when a few Hams broke away from QRMing each other
on 200 meters and started exploring the shorter wavelengths. 

Now there is comparatively little going on down there. As the article
mentions, submarine comms are at VLF. Low powered aircraft beacons, some GPS
correction beacons (also low powered) and some Ham activity under the
special licenses. I haven't listened down there in a while but that's all
that comes to mind. 

So the source of the "bubble" mentioned in the article seems a mystery -- or
is it something that has been there since Marconi launched the radio
business and is now just being noticed? 

73, Ron AC7AC 

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Phil
Hystad
Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2017 5:23 PM
To: elecraft
Subject: [Elecraft] OT -- Ham radio operators contribute to protecting the
Earth

I thought some other ham operators might like to read how they are helping
to build a protective bubble around the Earth.

https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2017/05/wow-guys/527193/

73, phil, K7PEH

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From w4bws1 at gmail.com  Thu May 18 22:56:21 2017
From: w4bws1 at gmail.com (Don Sanders)
Date: Thu, 18 May 2017 22:56:21 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] HF Antennas for KX3 Hand-Held/Hiking/Portable?
In-Reply-To: <CANa_i+hcTwsRowUaMd3cT45xFxoFs97kEQO60LtVYkuwTN8OxA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALfMmK+F_6Nu7MD3fwfyFxeAvavAQNk+8LQfZbGQ8psVyVvY=A@mail.gmail.com>
	<CANa_i+hcTwsRowUaMd3cT45xFxoFs97kEQO60LtVYkuwTN8OxA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJCgLV7rnpe7Egy9NxM9aBM-L_0gz3qtctjn+1sFwejinc2g3A@mail.gmail.com>

I haven't tried this with the MFJ whips. I used to have a 20 meter ham
stick and by removing the metal whip the antenna resonated near 11 meters.
By installing separate metal whips for 17 and 15 I had a 3 band whip
antenna. So someone with a MFJ wjip may want to try this idea.

Dr. Don W4BWS

On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 10:10 PM, Jan Timmers <jaunti at gmail.com> wrote:

> Some people have suggested this item from MFJ will do the trick.
>
> http://www.mfjenterprises.com/Product.php?productid=MFJ-1620T is for 20m.
> They also have another for 17m.
>
> On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 3:41 PM, Chas H <2mysystem at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I am looking for HF antenna options (primarily 17m + 20m) that will work
> > for hand-held portable while hiking with my KX3.  Preferable something
> that
> > will connect directly to the BNC jack on the side of the radio.  I'll be
> > hiking for 6 days in Glacier National Park and looking for practical
> > antennas to use.
> >
> > What are you using when you go HF hand-held?  Do you drag a counterpoise
> as
> > well?
> >
> > Thanks + 73,
> > Charlie de K0CKH
> > ______________________________________________________________
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From rpfjeld at outlook.com  Fri May 19 01:15:40 2017
From: rpfjeld at outlook.com (Richard Fjeld)
Date: Fri, 19 May 2017 05:15:40 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Fire in the house li-ion
In-Reply-To: <CAFA9ujscMGXf9CqNV9n0tbxeL0rbxZThf+fbo9qUHxNW1M8KcA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5721D1A0-CFBB-4849-AEB9-91ECCEA4EDFF@zendamateur.nu>
	<DM5PR1601MB1210CBEB56E9D3E153635CAABFE40@DM5PR1601MB1210.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
	<MWHPR15MB1166127850C3549D6A033863FAE40@MWHPR15MB1166.namprd15.prod.outlook.com>,
	<CAFA9ujscMGXf9CqNV9n0tbxeL0rbxZThf+fbo9qUHxNW1M8KcA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <DM5PR1601MB12108922832EFED448901E85BFE50@DM5PR1601MB1210.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>

As Kevin, K4VD wrote:
?Maybe I missed this in the thread but can someone cite an authoritative and
maybe trustworthy source for Lithium battery safety? So many old spouse
tales seem to have grown up around this technology.?

And my answer is:
Yes, I agree.  The only things I have picked up on, happened while researching the promised Graphene battery.  It was said that Lithium type batteries destroy from charging them with too much current, or from subjecting them to physical shock. (Some have mentioned shock testing)  I try to keep my chargers down to a 50-70 mA rating.

Considering the millions of devices with Li-on batteries, the odds of a fire must be slim. Still, it can?t hurt to take precaution when charging them.    I salvaged a metal pot with a handle so I can pick it up safely and carry it outside if needed.  I think I can contain a fire if they don?t explode.

And thanks for the info both pro and con about the protective bags. Anyone have a Tesla?

Rich, n0ce




From wunder at wunderwood.org  Fri May 19 01:29:00 2017
From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood)
Date: Thu, 18 May 2017 22:29:00 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Fire in the house li-ion
In-Reply-To: <DM5PR1601MB12108922832EFED448901E85BFE50@DM5PR1601MB1210.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
References: <5721D1A0-CFBB-4849-AEB9-91ECCEA4EDFF@zendamateur.nu>
	<DM5PR1601MB1210CBEB56E9D3E153635CAABFE40@DM5PR1601MB1210.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
	<MWHPR15MB1166127850C3549D6A033863FAE40@MWHPR15MB1166.namprd15.prod.outlook.com>
	<CAFA9ujscMGXf9CqNV9n0tbxeL0rbxZThf+fbo9qUHxNW1M8KcA@mail.gmail.com>
	<DM5PR1601MB12108922832EFED448901E85BFE50@DM5PR1601MB1210.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <7661F7B9-EEEC-4855-8309-799095F773B7@wunderwood.org>

Lithium ion batteries which are in a completely controlled charging and discharging environment, like in a phone or laptop, are generally safe. Well, except for the Samsung Galaxy Note S7. The best guess I?ve heard about that problem is that the various functions were so complicated and overlapping that they could overload the battery and overheat it.

Once you take a lithium ion battery out of a controlled environment, you are on your own. You?ll probably be OK, but if anything goes wrong, it could go very wrong.

So if you have an Elecraft KX2, I strongly recommend that you stick with an Elecraft battery and an Elecraft charger.

wunder
K6WRU
Walter Underwood
CM87wj
http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog)

> On May 18, 2017, at 10:15 PM, Richard Fjeld <rpfjeld at outlook.com> wrote:
> 
> As Kevin, K4VD wrote:
> ?Maybe I missed this in the thread but can someone cite an authoritative and
> maybe trustworthy source for Lithium battery safety? So many old spouse
> tales seem to have grown up around this technology.?
> 
> And my answer is:
> Yes, I agree.  The only things I have picked up on, happened while researching the promised Graphene battery.  It was said that Lithium type batteries destroy from charging them with too much current, or from subjecting them to physical shock. (Some have mentioned shock testing)  I try to keep my chargers down to a 50-70 mA rating.
> 
> Considering the millions of devices with Li-on batteries, the odds of a fire must be slim. Still, it can?t hurt to take precaution when charging them.    I salvaged a metal pot with a handle so I can pick it up safely and carry it outside if needed.  I think I can contain a fire if they don?t explode.
> 
> And thanks for the info both pro and con about the protective bags. Anyone have a Tesla?
> 
> Rich, n0ce
> 
> 
> 
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From stuberkenneth at yahoo.com  Fri May 19 08:01:11 2017
From: stuberkenneth at yahoo.com (N4KS)
Date: Fri, 19 May 2017 12:01:11 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] K2/100 overheating?
References: <852559271.1793260.1495195271738.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <852559271.1793260.1495195271738@mail.yahoo.com>

 I recently added the KPA100 to my K2. The heat sink gets?VERY hot at any power level above 11 watts (that's when the amp kicks in). The fan is running at high speed and pulling air OUT of the box. Just wondering if this is normal.
Ken/N4KS

From kenk3iu at cox.net  Fri May 19 08:29:01 2017
From: kenk3iu at cox.net (Ken Wagner K3IU)
Date: Fri, 19 May 2017 08:29:01 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K2/100 overheating?
In-Reply-To: <NC2v1v02U45oxQM01C2wmT>
References: <852559271.1793260.1495195271738.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<NC2v1v02U45oxQM01C2wmT>
Message-ID: <3b7247bf-2f08-37e9-b4b3-c878117cd7c6@cox.net>

Have you done the temp calibration? 
Check manual about page 49 or so.
73, Ken K3IU
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
On 5/19/2017 8:01 AM, N4KS via Elecraft 
wrote:
>   I recently added the KPA100 to my K2. The heat sink gets VERY hot at any power level above 11 watts (that's when the amp kicks in). The fan is running at high speed and pulling air OUT of the box. Just wondering if this is normal.
> Ken/N4KS
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From kenk3iu at cox.net  Fri May 19 08:30:56 2017
From: kenk3iu at cox.net (Ken Wagner K3IU)
Date: Fri, 19 May 2017 08:30:56 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K2/100 overheating?
In-Reply-To: <3b7247bf-2f08-37e9-b4b3-c878117cd7c6@cox.net>
References: <852559271.1793260.1495195271738.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<NC2v1v02U45oxQM01C2wmT> <3b7247bf-2f08-37e9-b4b3-c878117cd7c6@cox.net>
Message-ID: <ee53ea05-fb3c-4670-bae5-dffa6ccfc842@cox.net>

That is the KPA100 manual. Sorry for 
possible misdirection.
73, Ken K3IU

On 5/19/2017 8:29 AM, Ken Wagner K3IU wrote:
> Have you done the temp calibration? 
> Check manual about page 49 or so.
> 73, Ken K3IU
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> On 5/19/2017 8:01 AM, N4KS via 
> Elecraft wrote:
>>   I recently added the KPA100 to my K2. The heat sink gets VERY hot at any power level above 11 watts (that's when the amp kicks in). The fan is running at high speed and pulling air OUT of the box. Just wondering if this is normal.
>> Ken/N4KS
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From ccarlon at mac.com  Fri May 19 10:21:01 2017
From: ccarlon at mac.com (Charles Carlon)
Date: Fri, 19 May 2017 10:21:01 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Show prices
Message-ID: <902DCBDE-6932-4955-A8DA-778672FCFA04@mac.com>

Any show prices for online folks 


Thanks

Charlie
N7CAC

Sent from my iPhone

From w0fm at swbell.net  Fri May 19 12:29:38 2017
From: w0fm at swbell.net (Terry Schieler)
Date: Fri, 19 May 2017 11:29:38 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Fire in the house li-ion
In-Reply-To: <1495141685713-7630810.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <5721D1A0-CFBB-4849-AEB9-91ECCEA4EDFF@zendamateur.nu>	<DM5PR1601MB1210CBEB56E9D3E153635CAABFE40@DM5PR1601MB1210.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
	<1495141685713-7630810.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <002c01d2d0bd$1ca88c10$55f9a430$@swbell.net>

I have been using charging bags similar to these for over 6 years to charge LiPO batteries for my fleet of RC airplanes.  Very prevalent and highly recommended within the RC hobby field.  Not necessarily this specific brand, but I've never had an issue.

73,  Terry, W0FM



-----Original Message-----
From: Bill W4ZV [mailto:btippett at alum.mit.edu] 
Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2017 4:08 PM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Fire in the house li-ion

N0CE wrote:

/"I?d like to know more about the bag someone mentioned"/

744 hits for "fireproof charging bag lipo":




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From ron at cobi.biz  Fri May 19 12:36:23 2017
From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire)
Date: Fri, 19 May 2017 09:36:23 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K2/100 overheating?
In-Reply-To: <852559271.1793260.1495195271738@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <852559271.1793260.1495195271738.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<852559271.1793260.1495195271738@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <002401d2d0be$0e2d2910$2a877b30$@biz>

Hi Ken: 

The fan should be drawing air IN, not blowing it out. Is it oriented correctly (label out) and wired correctly? 

Normally the K2/100 at full 100 watts out for a long time before the temperature gets too high. I did some thermal testing some years ago that had a brick on the key up to half an hour at a time. 

Did you carefully set the transmit bias current as described in the assy manual? See page 51 of the current (Rev H2) manual. Excessive bias current will certainly result in excessive heat. 

73, Ron AC7AC


-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of N4KS via Elecraft
Sent: Friday, May 19, 2017 5:01 AM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] K2/100 overheating?

 I recently added the KPA100 to my K2. The heat sink gets VERY hot at any power level above 11 watts (that's when the amp kicks in). The fan is running at high speed and pulling air OUT of the box. Just wondering if this is normal.
Ken/N4KS
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From marklgoldberg at gmail.com  Fri May 19 12:52:23 2017
From: marklgoldberg at gmail.com (Mark Goldberg)
Date: Fri, 19 May 2017 09:52:23 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] New KX2 feature: Internal logging of outgoing
	CW/data text
In-Reply-To: <CAKn+a3ubnJ1eBBjVCNHcnNzgaz2BmL1Fn4wxQXYd6OJv2CRsCw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <881453DA-FEAB-4DC6-9C5E-E8E143E24FE9@elecraft.com>
	<CAKn+a3vmgR-TUSxsQkm8fjvbvr4y5Srf_UtVYG=R1ZtQtJEaqA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAKn+a3vyej8Bro3Yd6FMBNaj+rXHe3Z4c4eSk6XX7sAo0gEZ+g@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAKn+a3uVvESE36Eth9S8_tunmnzReuMo+NSmZ4aiMjkJ=8_1kA@mail.gmail.com>

Would the KX3 logging feature integrate with the PX3? I have found the PX3
USB keyboard interface very usable for digital operation, but logging is an
issue. Dumping the log later in some standard format would also be useful.

73,

Mark
W7MLG

On May 17, 2017 1:04 PM, "Wayne Burdick" <n6kr at elecraft.com> wrote:

Logging of casual QSOs can be inconvenient when you're using the KX2 while
hiking.

This feature is likely to be available shortly after we get back from
Dayton. We hope to add this to the KX3 as well, if there?s enough interest.

From woody at albe24.com  Fri May 19 13:09:26 2017
From: woody at albe24.com (woody)
Date: Fri, 19 May 2017 17:09:26 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] More data on my K2 problem FIXED
In-Reply-To: <ee44ce0a-f8db-b3fb-bf9d-5908ad506d9a@embarqmail.com>
References: <e9c27b50-0d4a-d51b-d1f0-83111d0f4f65@albe24.com>
	<ee44ce0a-f8db-b3fb-bf9d-5908ad506d9a@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <dee3b904-2ac6-a338-5772-5d17bc144840@albe24.com>

Thanks a lot Don.  You nailed everything.  Now working fine.   I have a 
20MHz TCXO (1ppm) that I use to cal check my counter.  I was also tuning 
the K2 to hear it and somehow confused the radio - then me ;)

Re-tweaked C22 again and managed to get within a few Hz.

Thanks again!  The rapid response and subsequent fix has lowered my 
blood pressure!


On 5/19/2017 2:20, Don Wilhelm wrote:
> Woodie,
> In addition to your 15 and 17 meter problem (see my prior email), I 
> have the following questions.
>
> Is that the maximum or minimum frequency?
> A few K2s need additional range for the capacitors around the crystal.
> If the frequency is too high, it is easy to lower it with a parallel 
> low value capacitor (try 10pF).
> If that drives it in the wrong direction, you will need to reduce the 
> value of C21 - try 27pF and if that is not enough try 22pF.
>
> Be certain your frequency counter is truly accurate.  I can do that 
> measurement with my frequency counter, but it is accurate to 10exp-9.
> If you have any doubt about that counter accuracy, use the N6KR method 
> when tuned to the highest frequency WWV signal that you can receive. 
> Details on this method can be seen on my webpage www.w3fpr.com - 
> article on K2 frequency calibration.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 5/18/2017 8:28 PM, woody wrote:
>> Took more measurements, Ref the K2 manual (Rev C) Pg 57, 58...
>> -----------------------------------------------------------------
>> _4 MHz Osc Cal_:
>> Setting C22 with well calibrated outboard counter, the counter at TP3
>> indicated 12,096.62.  As close as C22 would adjust was a K2 display of
>> 12,095.89.
>>
>> _PLL Ref Osc Range Test_
>> Ref High Freq = 12.104.37
>> Ref Low Freq = 12.08237
>>
>> _VCO Test
>> Voltage readings_ (left end R30)  Note (*) that in the table below the
>> band progression still has  15M and 18M progression *reversed* (see
>> earlier, below).  Also note ZERO volts at 18000 !
>>
>> 3500 - 2.06 volts
>> 7000 - 2.98
>> 10000 - 5.13
>> 14000 - 4.27
>> * 21000 - 8.22
>> * 18000 - ZERO (0.02v)
>> 24.800 - 6.82
>> 28000 - 4.74
>>
>> Hope this is some help.   Thanks again,  Woody
>> ------------Earlier email is below----------------
>>
>> On 5/18/2017 20:18, woody wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> I have an elderly K2 (S/N 02600)  that had been working well. After all
>> these years, it was about 200 Hz off frequency so I proceeded to do an
>> alignment.  Got it pretty close, but the trim cap (C22) would not pull
>> quite on freq.  Close enough maybe...
>>
>> Proceeded with band by band alignment / peaking.  All bands peaked as
>> expected except 17M, (maybe 15M too)....   No change when adjusting C32
>> & C34  for 17M.
>>
>> More symptoms:
>> * Stepping up the bands is normal until going from 20M to 17M. Then:
>> 17M and 15M are reversed from normal progression.
>> e.g:  160, 80, 40, 30, 20, _*15, 17*_, 12, 10
>> * System Rx noise is significantly reduced on 17 & 15.
>> * In CW mode, the Tx freq is OK on all but 15 & 17.
>>
>> The display reads as expected on 15 & 17 - as VFO is adjusted. But, my
>> freq counter indicates the actual Tx output freq is different and does
>> not change when the display freq is changed:
>> Example...  For 17, the Display indicates 18.120, the output is on
>> 18.766+-.  For 15, the display indicates 21.265, the output is
>> 21.434+-.  It is also receiving on the (actual but wrong) Tx freqs.
>> Changing the VFO changes the display but does not change the actual TX
>> or Rx frequency which seems to always be the same.
>>
>> I am stumped!!!   Can you offer any suggestions as to what might be
>> happening???
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Woody, KZ4AK   (Formerly WB4QXE)
>>
>
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From woody at albe24.com  Fri May 19 13:22:01 2017
From: woody at albe24.com (woody)
Date: Fri, 19 May 2017 17:22:01 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] More data on my K2 problem FIXED
In-Reply-To: <dee3b904-2ac6-a338-5772-5d17bc144840@albe24.com>
References: <e9c27b50-0d4a-d51b-d1f0-83111d0f4f65@albe24.com>
	<ee44ce0a-f8db-b3fb-bf9d-5908ad506d9a@embarqmail.com>
	<dee3b904-2ac6-a338-5772-5d17bc144840@albe24.com>
Message-ID: <36cd11f0-5ea5-6162-782d-4664ab295955@albe24.com>

Opps - make that OSXO  xtal osc...



On 5/19/2017 17:09, woody wrote:
> Thanks a lot Don.  You nailed everything.  Now working fine.   I have 
> a 20MHz *TCXO (*1ppm)

From ron at cobi.biz  Fri May 19 13:42:11 2017
From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire)
Date: Fri, 19 May 2017 10:42:11 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Fire in the house li-ion
In-Reply-To: <002c01d2d0bd$1ca88c10$55f9a430$@swbell.net>
References: <5721D1A0-CFBB-4849-AEB9-91ECCEA4EDFF@zendamateur.nu>	<DM5PR1601MB1210CBEB56E9D3E153635CAABFE40@DM5PR1601MB1210.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>	<1495141685713-7630810.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<002c01d2d0bd$1ca88c10$55f9a430$@swbell.net>
Message-ID: <003601d2d0c7$3f75cdc0$be616940$@biz>

Have you ever had a battery failure and fire in one of them? 

The ones I've seen on line that state they are tested under actual failure conditions are more than $500 USD. 

73, Ron AC7AC

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Terry Schieler
Sent: Friday, May 19, 2017 9:30 AM
To: 'Bill W4ZV'; elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Fire in the house li-ion

I have been using charging bags similar to these for over 6 years to charge LiPO batteries for my fleet of RC airplanes.  Very prevalent and highly recommended within the RC hobby field.  Not necessarily this specific brand, but I've never had an issue.

73,  Terry, W0FM



From w0fm at swbell.net  Fri May 19 14:08:53 2017
From: w0fm at swbell.net (Terry Schieler)
Date: Fri, 19 May 2017 13:08:53 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Fire in the house li-ion
In-Reply-To: <003601d2d0c7$3f75cdc0$be616940$@biz>
References: <5721D1A0-CFBB-4849-AEB9-91ECCEA4EDFF@zendamateur.nu>	<DM5PR1601MB1210CBEB56E9D3E153635CAABFE40@DM5PR1601MB1210.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>	<1495141685713-7630810.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<002c01d2d0bd$1ca88c10$55f9a430$@swbell.net>
	<003601d2d0c7$3f75cdc0$be616940$@biz>
Message-ID: <000001d2d0ca$fa881840$ef9848c0$@swbell.net>

No, I have not seen any fire, smoking or dangerous issues, Ron.  But I always use the recommended chargers and charging formats.  I always charge them in the fire bag and never indoors or unattended.  Like anything else that's dangerous, they demand respect.  

73  Terry  W0FM

-----Original Message-----
From: Ron D'Eau Claire [mailto:ron at cobi.biz] 
Sent: Friday, May 19, 2017 12:42 PM
To: 'Terry Schieler'; 'Bill W4ZV'; elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: RE: [Elecraft] Fire in the house li-ion

Have you ever had a battery failure and fire in one of them? 

The ones I've seen on line that state they are tested under actual failure conditions are more than $500 USD. 

73, Ron AC7AC

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Terry Schieler
Sent: Friday, May 19, 2017 9:30 AM
To: 'Bill W4ZV'; elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Fire in the house li-ion

I have been using charging bags similar to these for over 6 years to charge LiPO batteries for my fleet of RC airplanes.  Very prevalent and highly recommended within the RC hobby field.  Not necessarily this specific brand, but I've never had an issue.

73,  Terry, W0FM



From jwebsterlsu at gmail.com  Fri May 19 14:20:48 2017
From: jwebsterlsu at gmail.com (John W Webster)
Date: Fri, 19 May 2017 11:20:48 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] New KX2 feature
Message-ID: <13EA8AE9-611B-4AD5-B527-D3FDBB296669@gmail.com>

Hi Wayne: 

Thank you for thinking up this innovative potential feature.  I would find a port to the KX3,
which I use for Bicycle mobile work (among several other uses to which it is put) very useful
indeed.

73, and enjoy Dayton (if you are not too exhausted!)

John, N6JW

From btippett at alum.mit.edu  Fri May 19 14:30:03 2017
From: btippett at alum.mit.edu (Bill Tippett)
Date: Fri, 19 May 2017 14:30:03 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Fire in the house li-ion
In-Reply-To: <000001d2d0ca$fa881840$ef9848c0$@swbell.net>
References: <5721D1A0-CFBB-4849-AEB9-91ECCEA4EDFF@zendamateur.nu>
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Ditto Terry's comments.  I'd add that balanced chargers (<$20) and
inexpensive monitors (<$3) will detect when a cell begins going bad.  One
cell having a much lower voltage than the others is an immediate flag.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/IMax-B6-Digital-LCD-RC-Lipo-NiMh-
battery-Balance-Charger-US-STOCK-100-New-/311592092378?
hash=item488c5602da:g:mmsAAOSwdpxUWyl3

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Lipo-Battery-Voltage-Monitor-Meter-
7-4V-11-1V-22-2V-2S-6S-Cells-LED-Display-/110762643408?
hash=item19c9f7cfd0:g:GQ4AAOxyqKVRigvv

I also never put any lithium battery (LiPO or Li-Ion) inside my radios.
I've seen more bad publicity about Li-Ion batteries (e.g. Samsung S7
phones, Dell laptops, etc) than LiPO batteries but I'm not sure why that is.

73,  Bill  W4ZV

On Fri, May 19, 2017 at 2:08 PM, Terry Schieler <w0fm at swbell.net> wrote:

> No, I have not seen any fire, smoking or dangerous issues, Ron.  But I
> always use the recommended chargers and charging formats.  I always charge
> them in the fire bag and never indoors or unattended.  Like anything else
> that's dangerous, they demand respect.
>
> 73  Terry  W0FM
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ron D'Eau Claire [mailto:ron at cobi.biz]
> Sent: Friday, May 19, 2017 12:42 PM
> To: 'Terry Schieler'; 'Bill W4ZV'; elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: RE: [Elecraft] Fire in the house li-ion
>
> Have you ever had a battery failure and fire in one of them?
>
> The ones I've seen on line that state they are tested under actual failure
> conditions are more than $500 USD.
>
> 73, Ron AC7AC
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of
> Terry Schieler
> Sent: Friday, May 19, 2017 9:30 AM
> To: 'Bill W4ZV'; elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Fire in the house li-ion
>
> I have been using charging bags similar to these for over 6 years to
> charge LiPO batteries for my fleet of RC airplanes.  Very prevalent and
> highly recommended within the RC hobby field.  Not necessarily this
> specific brand, but I've never had an issue.
>
> 73,  Terry, W0FM
>
>
>

From rpfjeld at outlook.com  Fri May 19 15:26:45 2017
From: rpfjeld at outlook.com (Richard Fjeld)
Date: Fri, 19 May 2017 19:26:45 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Fire in the house li-ion
In-Reply-To: <7661F7B9-EEEC-4855-8309-799095F773B7@wunderwood.org>
References: <5721D1A0-CFBB-4849-AEB9-91ECCEA4EDFF@zendamateur.nu>
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	<CAFA9ujscMGXf9CqNV9n0tbxeL0rbxZThf+fbo9qUHxNW1M8KcA@mail.gmail.com>
	<DM5PR1601MB12108922832EFED448901E85BFE50@DM5PR1601MB1210.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>,
	<7661F7B9-EEEC-4855-8309-799095F773B7@wunderwood.org>
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Walter, your point is well taken.  The original post needs to be studied.

This thread has been good to increase my awareness.

Thanks for the bandwidth,
Rich, n0ce

From: Walter Underwood<mailto:wunder at wunderwood.org>
Sent: Friday, May 19, 2017 12:29 AM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net<mailto:elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Fire in the house li-ion

Lithium ion batteries which are in a completely controlled charging and discharging environment, like in a phone or laptop, are generally safe. Well, except for the Samsung Galaxy Note S7. The best guess I?ve heard about that problem is that the various functions were so complicated and overlapping that they could overload the battery and overheat it.



From ron at cobi.biz  Fri May 19 15:36:22 2017
From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire)
Date: Fri, 19 May 2017 12:36:22 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Fire in the house li-ion
In-Reply-To: <000001d2d0ca$fa881840$ef9848c0$@swbell.net>
References: <5721D1A0-CFBB-4849-AEB9-91ECCEA4EDFF@zendamateur.nu>	<DM5PR1601MB1210CBEB56E9D3E153635CAABFE40@DM5PR1601MB1210.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>	<1495141685713-7630810.post@n2.nabble.com>	<002c01d2d0bd$1ca88c10$55f9a430$@swbell.net>	<003601d2d0c7$3f75cdc0$be616940$@biz>
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Message-ID: <000c01d2d0d7$32d0daa0$98728fe0$@biz>

I've yet to have a failure either. My interest was in whether the bags
really do the job they are supposed to do. 

73, Ron AC7AC

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Terry
Schieler
Sent: Friday, May 19, 2017 11:09 AM
To: 'Ron D'Eau Claire'; 'Bill W4ZV'; elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Fire in the house li-ion

No, I have not seen any fire, smoking or dangerous issues, Ron.  But I
always use the recommended chargers and charging formats.  I always charge
them in the fire bag and never indoors or unattended.  Like anything else
that's dangerous, they demand respect.  

73  Terry  W0FM

-----Original Message-----
From: Ron D'Eau Claire [mailto:ron at cobi.biz]
Sent: Friday, May 19, 2017 12:42 PM
To: 'Terry Schieler'; 'Bill W4ZV'; elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: RE: [Elecraft] Fire in the house li-ion

Have you ever had a battery failure and fire in one of them? 

The ones I've seen on line that state they are tested under actual failure
conditions are more than $500 USD. 

73, Ron AC7AC

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Terry
Schieler
Sent: Friday, May 19, 2017 9:30 AM
To: 'Bill W4ZV'; elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Fire in the house li-ion

I have been using charging bags similar to these for over 6 years to charge
LiPO batteries for my fleet of RC airplanes.  Very prevalent and highly
recommended within the RC hobby field.  Not necessarily this specific brand,
but I've never had an issue.

73,  Terry, W0FM



From k6dgw at foothill.net  Fri May 19 16:27:20 2017
From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen)
Date: Fri, 19 May 2017 13:27:20 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Fire in the house li-ion
In-Reply-To: <003301d2d020$4bc92510$e35b6f30$@biz>
References: <5721D1A0-CFBB-4849-AEB9-91ECCEA4EDFF@zendamateur.nu>
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A good friend, colleague, philosopher, and programmer once told meas we 
were leaving yet another interminable "Lessons Learned" meeting for yet 
another troubled project: "The problem with Lessons Learned is that 
theyrarely are."

I brought up my experience because it happened on discharge and the 
thread had focused on the charge cycle. It may have just been defective. 
Good lithium chemistry batteries tend to have very flat discharge 
curves, and because of extremely low internal resistance, can deliver 
massive amounts of energy with little voltage sag.  A lesson from my 
experience might be, "Never put a lithium<mumble> battery inside your 
radio."

To avoid rapid discharge of your bank account with no return, avoid the 
really inexpensive [as in cheap] Li-<whatever> batteries available on 
line from unknown off-shore sources.  I fell for onealleged 10 Ah 
Li-ion.  It may have stored 10 Ah of energy, however its discharge curve 
resembled the glide angle of a brick and I was lucky to get 1 to 1.5 Ah 
out before the voltage fell to cutoff on my K2.  Iwill tire of operating 
with my K2 well before depleting my 4S1P A123 LiFePO4.

73,

Fred ("Skip") K6DGW
Sparks NV USA
Washoe County DM09dn

On 5/18/2017 2:47 PM, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote:
> Ouch, Fred!
>
> One of the standard airline emergency procedures for a smoking/burning/fizzing phone or other personal electronics is to submerge it in water or wrap wet towels around it to reduce the temperature and keep it from igniting nearby flammable materials.
>


From jean-francois.menard at va2ss.com  Fri May 19 17:22:58 2017
From: jean-francois.menard at va2ss.com (=?utf-8?B?SmVhbi1GcmFuw6dvaXMgTcOpbmFyZA==?=)
Date: Fri, 19 May 2017 21:22:58 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Amplified speaker microphone AlexMic from Alex PY1PHD
Message-ID: <613F7321-F136-4931-937F-4BAEC288709E@va2ss.com>

Hi,

I recently purchased the new amplified speaker hand microphone from Alex today, specially made for KX2 and KX3 transceivers. It seems to be a great addition to all KX2 and KX3 users. I hope to hear from Wayne soon to find out what he thinks about it... :-)

Best 73 de Jeff | VA2SS

__________________________________________
Jeff | VA2SS
Jean-Fran?ois M?nard

jean-francois.menard at va2ss.com<mailto:jean-francois.menard at va2ss.com>
www.VA2SS.com<http://www.va2ss.com/>

Membre de / Member of :
ARRL / YCCC / QRP ARCI / NAQCC / FISTS / SKCC / MICHIGAN QRP CLUB / AMSAT

Message envoy? ? partir de mon appareil mobile.
Message sent from my portable device.

From rgmelton at gmail.com  Fri May 19 17:26:01 2017
From: rgmelton at gmail.com (rgmelton)
Date: Fri, 19 May 2017 14:26:01 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] KIO3B speaker level in digital mode
Message-ID: <1495229161781-7630842.post@n2.nabble.com>

I am using WSJT-X for JT65 and a simple USB cable to my K3S.  Can xmt and rcv
fine, but the internal speaker in the rig has very loud output when I xmt
and I cannot find a way to reduce the audio output.  The AF gain on the rig
has no effect.  Any ideas? Thanks.

Bob Melton  KE3KD



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From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Fri May 19 17:55:25 2017
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Fri, 19 May 2017 17:55:25 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KIO3B speaker level in digital mode
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References: <1495229161781-7630842.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <5c493ea7-6a65-21a4-9759-5bcdb7cf4c1a@embarqmail.com>

Bob,

Turn the MONitor down.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 5/19/2017 5:26 PM, rgmelton wrote:
> I am using WSJT-X for JT65 and a simple USB cable to my K3S.  Can xmt and rcv
> fine, but the internal speaker in the rig has very loud output when I xmt
> and I cannot find a way to reduce the audio output.  The AF gain on the rig
> has no effect.  Any ideas? Thanks.
>
> Bob Melton  KE3KD
>
>
>
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From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Fri May 19 18:02:21 2017
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Fri, 19 May 2017 18:02:21 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K2/100 overheating?
In-Reply-To: <852559271.1793260.1495195271738@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <852559271.1793260.1495195271738.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
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Message-ID: <caf8e0e3-f0d0-c5b1-98a8-86193cc5b176@embarqmail.com>

Ken,

Did you set the bias properly?  What is the current draw at 12 watts?
Did you properly balance and calibrate the wattmeter?
Are all the diodes oriented properly?  Check against the parts layout 
near the back of the manual.

Make certain the fan is mounted with the label out and that the red wire 
is in the +hole and the black one in the -hole.
The fan should exhaust the hot air.  Cooler air flows in at the front of 
the heatsink.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 5/19/2017 8:01 AM, N4KS via Elecraft wrote:
>  I recently added the KPA100 to my K2. The heat sink gets VERY hot at any power level above 11 watts (that's when the amp kicks in). The fan is running at high speed and pulling air OUT of the box. Just wondering if this is normal.

From n7tb at comcast.net  Fri May 19 19:40:02 2017
From: n7tb at comcast.net (Terry Brown)
Date: Fri, 19 May 2017 23:40:02 -0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Beam antenna question
Message-ID: <003301d2d0f9$3ca228a0$b5e679e0$@comcast.net>

I apologize that this is not a direct Elecraft equipment question, but
having the K2, KX2, KX3, PX3 and KXPA100, I thought I would ask.  I will be
moving to a new QTH.  I just took down an old Cushcraft ATB-34, on a 50 ft.
tower.  It was the predecessor to the A4.  I need a beam with a smaller
footprint.  I am looking at the Mosley TA 33-JR.    My other antenna will be
a multi-band doublet fed with 450 window line, so it will be able to work
the WARC bands, however, the apex will only be about 25 ft. high, about roof
level,  so it will mostly be a cloud burner, but great for my local CW skeds
on 80 and 40.  My beam will be at 32-35 ft; 8 ft. above my roofline to the
east.  My QTH will be high on a hill facing the east.  With that background,
here is the question:

 

If I were to order the Mosley TA33-JR-N-WARC,  with the WARC bands included,
even though they will have zero gain, will the ability to rotate the beam
make the reception of the 12 and 17 meter bands better in all other
directions than the orientation of my doublet?  My intuition says yes, but I
thought I would ask.  

 

Also, I know that longer length antennas for a given band usually perform
better than a trapped antenna, but I would think that my low height doublet
will not be as effective as a WARC beam.  My doublet will be just at the
height of my house and drop to 10 foot poles on the NW and SW lot corners.

 

I hated to give up my 50 ft. tower and beam, and my 80 meter horizontal loop
at 40 ft., but sometimes compromises have to be made.   Being primarily a CW
op will help some.

 

Any advice would be really appreciated!

 

Very 73's,

 

Terry de N7TB


From radioham at mchsi.com  Fri May 19 20:02:41 2017
From: radioham at mchsi.com (David Christ)
Date: Fri, 19 May 2017 20:02:41 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Beam antenna question
Message-ID: <B1219C5B-179F-4E19-A841-E705EA120A8E@mchsi.com>

For a small footprint it is hard to beat the K4KIO hexagonal beam.  I have one and it works well but a better testimonial is a ham about 10 blocks away with the same antenna and he is on DXCC Honor  Roll.  hight is about 35 feet.  No tuner needed and all bands 20 through 10 plus six if you want it.

Just a satisfied customer

David K0LUM


> On May 19, 2017, at 7:40 PM, Terry Brown <n7tb at comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> I apologize that this is not a direct Elecraft equipment question, but
> having the K2, KX2, KX3, PX3 and KXPA100, I thought I would ask.  I will be
> moving to a new QTH.  I just took down an old Cushcraft ATB-34, on a 50 ft.
> tower.  It was the predecessor to the A4.  I need a beam with a smaller
> footprint.  I am looking at the Mosley TA 33-JR.    My other antenna will be
> a multi-band doublet fed with 450 window line, so it will be able to work
> the WARC bands, however, the apex will only be about 25 ft. high, about roof
> level,  so it will mostly be a cloud burner, but great for my local CW skeds
> on 80 and 40.  My beam will be at 32-35 ft; 8 ft. above my roofline to the
> east.  My QTH will be high on a hill facing the east.  With that background,
> here is the question:
> 
> 
> 
> If I were to order the Mosley TA33-JR-N-WARC,  with the WARC bands included,
> even though they will have zero gain, will the ability to rotate the beam
> make the reception of the 12 and 17 meter bands better in all other
> directions than the orientation of my doublet?  My intuition says yes, but I
> thought I would ask.  
> 
> 
> 
> Also, I know that longer length antennas for a given band usually perform
> better than a trapped antenna, but I would think that my low height doublet
> will not be as effective as a WARC beam.  My doublet will be just at the
> height of my house and drop to 10 foot poles on the NW and SW lot corners.
> 
> 
> 
> I hated to give up my 50 ft. tower and beam, and my 80 meter horizontal loop
> at 40 ft., but sometimes compromises have to be made.   Being primarily a CW
> op will help some.
> 
> 
> 
> Any advice would be really appreciated!
> 
> 
> 
> Very 73's,
> 
> 
> 
> Terry de N7TB
> 
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From km4ik.ian at gmail.com  Fri May 19 20:04:50 2017
From: km4ik.ian at gmail.com (Ian)
Date: Fri, 19 May 2017 20:04:50 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Beam antenna question
In-Reply-To: <003301d2d0f9$3ca228a0$b5e679e0$@comcast.net>
References: <003301d2d0f9$3ca228a0$b5e679e0$@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <1495238690.12989.12.camel@gmail.com>

Terry,
If you need a beam with a smaller footprint, have you consider one of
the many hex-beams that are available? I've had one for several years
and really enjoy it. I have a 5-band model that covers all bands, 20m-
10m, WARC bands included. Mine has about as much gain on each band as a
2-element beam, with a moderate front-to-back ratio (about 9 db or so).
Mine is an older model of the original Traffie Technologies HX5-Bi.
Traffie is no longer in business, but there are a few vendors in the US
that offer beams or kits for beams, and if you visit?http://www.karinya
.net/g3txq/hexbeam/, there is a wonderful tutorial on the hex-beam,
along with links to plans so you can homebrew yours.?
I have mine on a 30' Force 12 tilt-up mast, so it sits just a few feet
above my roof line. It has something like a 21' turn radius, and about
a 9 pound windload. And the whole antenna only weighs in at about 25
pounds. With this antenna, and my K-Line, if I can hear 'em, I can work
'em!
Good luck with your move and setting up at your new QTH.
73 de,
--Ian
Ian Kahn, KM4IK
Roswell, GA? EM74ua
km4ik.ian at gmail.com
10-10 #74624 ?North Georgia Chapter #2038PODXS 070 #1962
K3 #281, P3 #688 KAT500 #860, KPA500 #1468
On Fri, 2017-05-19 at 23:40 +0000, Terry Brown wrote:
> I apologize that this is not a direct Elecraft equipment question,
> but
> having the K2, KX2, KX3, PX3 and KXPA100, I thought I would ask.??I
> will be
> moving to a new QTH.??I just took down an old Cushcraft ATB-34, on a
> 50 ft.
> tower.??It was the predecessor to the A4.??I need a beam with a
> smaller
> footprint.??I am looking at the Mosley TA 33-JR.????My other antenna
> will be
> a multi-band doublet fed with 450 window line, so it will be able to
> work
> the WARC bands, however, the apex will only be about 25 ft. high,
> about roof
> level,??so it will mostly be a cloud burner, but great for my local
> CW skeds
> on 80 and 40.??My beam will be at 32-35 ft; 8 ft. above my roofline
> to the
> east.??My QTH will be high on a hill facing the east.??With that
> background,
> here is the question:
> 
> ?
> 
> If I were to order the Mosley TA33-JR-N-WARC,??with the WARC bands
> included,
> even though they will have zero gain, will the ability to rotate the
> beam
> make the reception of the 12 and 17 meter bands better in all other
> directions than the orientation of my doublet???My intuition says
> yes, but I
> thought I would ask.??
> 
> ?
> 
> Also, I know that longer length antennas for a given band usually
> perform
> better than a trapped antenna, but I would think that my low height
> doublet
> will not be as effective as a WARC beam.??My doublet will be just at
> the
> height of my house and drop to 10 foot poles on the NW and SW lot
> corners.
> 
> ?
> 
> I hated to give up my 50 ft. tower and beam, and my 80 meter
> horizontal loop
> at 40 ft., but sometimes compromises have to be made.???Being
> primarily a CW
> op will help some.
> 
> ?
> 
> Any advice would be really appreciated!
> 
> ?
> 
> Very 73's,
> 
> ?
> 
> Terry de N7TB
> 
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From esteptony at gmail.com  Fri May 19 20:12:06 2017
From: esteptony at gmail.com (Tony Estep)
Date: Fri, 19 May 2017 19:12:06 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Beam antenna question
In-Reply-To: <1495238690.12989.12.camel@gmail.com>
References: <003301d2d0f9$3ca228a0$b5e679e0$@comcast.net>
	<1495238690.12989.12.camel@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CACHwrmMNWHLBrn_sYRXr0EhutWGtdKXAdp+ZPvxf4Mut4-txiA@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, May 19, 2017 at 7:04 PM, Ian <km4ik.ian at gmail.com> wrote:

> ...have you consider one of
> the many hex-beams that are available? ... I have a 5-band model...

===========
What Ian said! I put up a 5-band hex-beam on my chimney, 21 feet off the
ground. The results were terrific. My model came from DX Engineering, and
I'm sure there are other good ones. With that antenna and 500 watts, I
found that I could succeed in just about any pileup. Highly recommended.

73,
Tony KT0NY

From dmboresz at gmail.com  Fri May 19 20:34:00 2017
From: dmboresz at gmail.com (Dale Boresz)
Date: Fri, 19 May 2017 20:34:00 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Beam antenna question
In-Reply-To: <CACHwrmMNWHLBrn_sYRXr0EhutWGtdKXAdp+ZPvxf4Mut4-txiA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <003301d2d0f9$3ca228a0$b5e679e0$@comcast.net>
	<1495238690.12989.12.camel@gmail.com>
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I agree 100% about the hex beam; I had the original Traffie 20m monobander
and now have the K4KIO broadband 5-band hex beam. Both work extremely well
on their designed bands. However --  it has been my experience that a
5-band hex beam works great as a very low-noise receiving antenna on 40m
and 80m, especially when used as one of the antennas in a diversity receive
configuration with the K3. Not surprisingly, the hex beam exhibits no
directivity when used as a receiving antenna on 40 & 80m.

73,

Dale - WA8SRA


On Fri, May 19, 2017 at 8:12 PM, Tony Estep <esteptony at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Fri, May 19, 2017 at 7:04 PM, Ian <km4ik.ian at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > ...have you consider one of
> > the many hex-beams that are available? ... I have a 5-band model...
>
> ===========
> What Ian said! I put up a 5-band hex-beam on my chimney, 21 feet off the
> ground. The results were terrific. My model came from DX Engineering, and
> I'm sure there are other good ones. With that antenna and 500 watts, I
> found that I could succeed in just about any pileup. Highly recommended.
>
> 73,
> Tony KT0NY
> ______________________________________________________________
>

From kl7cw at mtaonline.net  Fri May 19 22:24:02 2017
From: kl7cw at mtaonline.net (Frederick Dwight)
Date: Fri, 19 May 2017 17:24:02 -0900
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Beam antenna ideas
Message-ID: <20170520012639007@smtp754.redcondor.net>

Terry,
     Please consider all ideas for your situation.  The Hex beam and other suggestions are all viable ideas.  If you have RFI from neighbors even a rotary dipole may be of some help in nulling out an RFI source.  Another idea to at least consider is one of the STEPPIR beams.  I have their 3 element 20-6 meter Yagi.  They also have a 2 element version with even a smaller footprint.  Also they have even smaller footprint antennas with trombone elements.  If you go this route, you would get good use on 17 and 20 meters now, and when the solar conditions improve in a few years you would be all set for 15, 12, 10, and 6 meters.  The STEPPIR antennas are rather expensive and some folks have had problems with them, or just do not want to deal with potential mechanical problems.  My Yagi has survived 13 windy Alaska winters.  There are user groups for most antenna manufacturers ?.so probably best to investigate the pros and cons in their Yahoo, or whatever groups, not in this Elecraft list.
                 Rick   KL7CW   Palmer, Alaska   K3S, KX1, etc.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10


From k2vco.vic at gmail.com  Fri May 19 23:48:24 2017
From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP)
Date: Sat, 20 May 2017 06:48:24 +0300
Subject: [Elecraft] Beam antenna question
In-Reply-To: <B1219C5B-179F-4E19-A841-E705EA120A8E@mchsi.com>
References: <B1219C5B-179F-4E19-A841-E705EA120A8E@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <9b2e9bbe-b93b-ef09-c8ac-b28e873e0e7f@gmail.com>

I used the K4KIO hexbeam on Field Day -- it was very easy to assemble
and the parts were high quality. It is also visually low-profile. I 
would recommend it. I don't have any experience with the TA33 Jr. but my 
guess is that there are a lot more things that can go wrong with all 
those traps.

The hexbeam will have gain on WARC bands as well as 10-15-20. My 
experience is that with conditions as they are today, 17m is VERY 
important (so is 30, for that matter) for DXing.

I have a rotatable dipole and yes, it definitely does help a lot to 
rotate it! But it isn't a beam.

73,
Victor, 4X6GP
Rehovot, Israel
Formerly K2VCO
http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/

On 20 May 2017 03:02, David Christ wrote:
> For a small footprint it is hard to beat the K4KIO hexagonal beam.  I
> have one and it works well but a better testimonial is a ham about 10
> blocks away with the same antenna and he is on DXCC Honor  Roll.
> hight is about 35 feet.  No tuner needed and all bands 20 through 10
> plus six if you want it.
>
> Just a satisfied customer
>
> David K0LUM
>
>
>> On May 19, 2017, at 7:40 PM, Terry Brown <n7tb at comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>> I apologize that this is not a direct Elecraft equipment question,
>> but having the K2, KX2, KX3, PX3 and KXPA100, I thought I would
>> ask.  I will be moving to a new QTH.  I just took down an old
>> Cushcraft ATB-34, on a 50 ft. tower.  It was the predecessor to the
>> A4.  I need a beam with a smaller footprint.  I am looking at the
>> Mosley TA 33-JR.    My other antenna will be a multi-band doublet
>> fed with 450 window line, so it will be able to work the WARC
>> bands, however, the apex will only be about 25 ft. high, about
>> roof level,  so it will mostly be a cloud burner, but great for my
>> local CW skeds on 80 and 40.  My beam will be at 32-35 ft; 8 ft.
>> above my roofline to the east.  My QTH will be high on a hill
>> facing the east.  With that background, here is the question:
>>
>>
>>
>> If I were to order the Mosley TA33-JR-N-WARC,  with the WARC bands
>> included, even though they will have zero gain, will the ability to
>> rotate the beam make the reception of the 12 and 17 meter bands
>> better in all other directions than the orientation of my doublet?
>> My intuition says yes, but I thought I would ask.
>>
>>
>>
>> Also, I know that longer length antennas for a given band usually
>> perform better than a trapped antenna, but I would think that my
>> low height doublet will not be as effective as a WARC beam.  My
>> doublet will be just at the height of my house and drop to 10 foot
>> poles on the NW and SW lot corners.
>>
>>
>>
>> I hated to give up my 50 ft. tower and beam, and my 80 meter
>> horizontal loop at 40 ft., but sometimes compromises have to be
>> made.   Being primarily a CW op will help some.
>>
>>
>>
>> Any advice would be really appreciated!
>>
>>
>>
>> Very 73's,
>>
>>
>>
>> Terry de N7TB

From ua9cdc at gmail.com  Sat May 20 05:33:55 2017
From: ua9cdc at gmail.com (Igor Sokolov)
Date: Sat, 20 May 2017 14:33:55 +0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Beam antenna question
In-Reply-To: <9b2e9bbe-b93b-ef09-c8ac-b28e873e0e7f@gmail.com>
References: <B1219C5B-179F-4E19-A841-E705EA120A8E@mchsi.com>
	<9b2e9bbe-b93b-ef09-c8ac-b28e873e0e7f@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a02b778b-eb7d-27e1-0792-9856775f03a0@gmail.com>

Terry,

As many others mentioned? Hex beam is the best choise. I have 3 of them 
made by EU manufacturers (very good quality). And one of them 
(www.foldinganteannas.com) is even foldable and very light weight.

You may also look for MW0JZE Hex. he also makes light version. Do not 
mess with Al antennas. Hex Beam is much better and easier for portable 
operation.


73, Igor UA9CDC


20.05.2017 8:48, Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP ?????:
> I used the K4KIO hexbeam on Field Day -- it was very easy to assemble
> and the parts were high quality. It is also visually low-profile. I 
> would recommend it. I don't have any experience with the TA33 Jr. but 
> my guess is that there are a lot more things that can go wrong with 
> all those traps.
>
> The hexbeam will have gain on WARC bands as well as 10-15-20. My 
> experience is that with conditions as they are today, 17m is VERY 
> important (so is 30, for that matter) for DXing.
>
> I have a rotatable dipole and yes, it definitely does help a lot to 
> rotate it! But it isn't a beam.
>
> 73,
> Victor, 4X6GP
> Rehovot, Israel
> Formerly K2VCO
> http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/
>
> On 20 May 2017 03:02, David Christ wrote:
>> For a small footprint it is hard to beat the K4KIO hexagonal beam.  I
>> have one and it works well but a better testimonial is a ham about 10
>> blocks away with the same antenna and he is on DXCC Honor  Roll.
>> hight is about 35 feet.  No tuner needed and all bands 20 through 10
>> plus six if you want it.
>>
>> Just a satisfied customer
>>
>> David K0LUM
>>
>>
>>> On May 19, 2017, at 7:40 PM, Terry Brown <n7tb at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> I apologize that this is not a direct Elecraft equipment question,
>>> but having the K2, KX2, KX3, PX3 and KXPA100, I thought I would
>>> ask.  I will be moving to a new QTH.  I just took down an old
>>> Cushcraft ATB-34, on a 50 ft. tower.  It was the predecessor to the
>>> A4.  I need a beam with a smaller footprint.  I am looking at the
>>> Mosley TA 33-JR.    My other antenna will be a multi-band doublet
>>> fed with 450 window line, so it will be able to work the WARC
>>> bands, however, the apex will only be about 25 ft. high, about
>>> roof level,  so it will mostly be a cloud burner, but great for my
>>> local CW skeds on 80 and 40.  My beam will be at 32-35 ft; 8 ft.
>>> above my roofline to the east.  My QTH will be high on a hill
>>> facing the east.  With that background, here is the question:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> If I were to order the Mosley TA33-JR-N-WARC,  with the WARC bands
>>> included, even though they will have zero gain, will the ability to
>>> rotate the beam make the reception of the 12 and 17 meter bands
>>> better in all other directions than the orientation of my doublet?
>>> My intuition says yes, but I thought I would ask.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Also, I know that longer length antennas for a given band usually
>>> perform better than a trapped antenna, but I would think that my
>>> low height doublet will not be as effective as a WARC beam. My
>>> doublet will be just at the height of my house and drop to 10 foot
>>> poles on the NW and SW lot corners.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I hated to give up my 50 ft. tower and beam, and my 80 meter
>>> horizontal loop at 40 ft., but sometimes compromises have to be
>>> made.   Being primarily a CW op will help some.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Any advice would be really appreciated!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Very 73's,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Terry de N7TB
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From w3tb.ted at gmail.com  Sat May 20 06:42:29 2017
From: w3tb.ted at gmail.com (Ted Edwards W3TB)
Date: Sat, 20 May 2017 06:42:29 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Beam antenna question
In-Reply-To: <a02b778b-eb7d-27e1-0792-9856775f03a0@gmail.com>
References: <B1219C5B-179F-4E19-A841-E705EA120A8E@mchsi.com>
	<9b2e9bbe-b93b-ef09-c8ac-b28e873e0e7f@gmail.com>
	<a02b778b-eb7d-27e1-0792-9856775f03a0@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGhFmTjtFBTRL5gOW8uyOxNwNhrFrtCA6tn8VOQBm7Do=h28kg@mail.gmail.com>

The low visual profile is helpful to keep the neighbors from noticing.
I wonder whether anybody has done anything else to minimize the visual
impact even further line a non-metallic spray paint.
Thanks ahead of time, good folks.

On Sat, May 20, 2017 at 5:33 AM, Igor Sokolov <ua9cdc at gmail.com> wrote:

> Terry,
>
> As many others mentioned? Hex beam is the best choise. I have 3 of them
> made by EU manufacturers (very good quality). And one of them (
> www.foldinganteannas.com) is even foldable and very light weight.
>
> You may also look for MW0JZE Hex. he also makes light version. Do not mess
> with Al antennas. Hex Beam is much better and easier for portable operation.
>
>
> 73, Igor UA9CDC
>
>
> 20.05.2017 8:48, Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP ?????:
>
>> I used the K4KIO hexbeam on Field Day -- it was very easy to assemble
>> and the parts were high quality. It is also visually low-profile. I would
>> recommend it. I don't have any experience with the TA33 Jr. but my guess is
>> that there are a lot more things that can go wrong with all those traps.
>>
>> The hexbeam will have gain on WARC bands as well as 10-15-20. My
>> experience is that with conditions as they are today, 17m is VERY important
>> (so is 30, for that matter) for DXing.
>>
>> I have a rotatable dipole and yes, it definitely does help a lot to
>> rotate it! But it isn't a beam.
>>
>> 73,
>> Victor, 4X6GP
>> Rehovot, Israel
>> Formerly K2VCO
>> http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/
>>
>> On 20 May 2017 03:02, David Christ wrote:
>>
>>> For a small footprint it is hard to beat the K4KIO hexagonal beam.  I
>>> have one and it works well but a better testimonial is a ham about 10
>>> blocks away with the same antenna and he is on DXCC Honor  Roll.
>>> hight is about 35 feet.  No tuner needed and all bands 20 through 10
>>> plus six if you want it.
>>>
>>> Just a satisfied customer
>>>
>>> David K0LUM
>>>
>>>
>>> On May 19, 2017, at 7:40 PM, Terry Brown <n7tb at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I apologize that this is not a direct Elecraft equipment question,
>>>> but having the K2, KX2, KX3, PX3 and KXPA100, I thought I would
>>>> ask.  I will be moving to a new QTH.  I just took down an old
>>>> Cushcraft ATB-34, on a 50 ft. tower.  It was the predecessor to the
>>>> A4.  I need a beam with a smaller footprint.  I am looking at the
>>>> Mosley TA 33-JR.    My other antenna will be a multi-band doublet
>>>> fed with 450 window line, so it will be able to work the WARC
>>>> bands, however, the apex will only be about 25 ft. high, about
>>>> roof level,  so it will mostly be a cloud burner, but great for my
>>>> local CW skeds on 80 and 40.  My beam will be at 32-35 ft; 8 ft.
>>>> above my roofline to the east.  My QTH will be high on a hill
>>>> facing the east.  With that background, here is the question:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> If I were to order the Mosley TA33-JR-N-WARC,  with the WARC bands
>>>> included, even though they will have zero gain, will the ability to
>>>> rotate the beam make the reception of the 12 and 17 meter bands
>>>> better in all other directions than the orientation of my doublet?
>>>> My intuition says yes, but I thought I would ask.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Also, I know that longer length antennas for a given band usually
>>>> perform better than a trapped antenna, but I would think that my
>>>> low height doublet will not be as effective as a WARC beam. My
>>>> doublet will be just at the height of my house and drop to 10 foot
>>>> poles on the NW and SW lot corners.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I hated to give up my 50 ft. tower and beam, and my 80 meter
>>>> horizontal loop at 40 ft., but sometimes compromises have to be
>>>> made.   Being primarily a CW op will help some.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Any advice would be really appreciated!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Very 73's,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Terry de N7TB
>>>>
>>> ______________________________________________________________
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-- 
73 de Ted Edwards, W3TB and G?PWW

and thinking about operating CW:
"Do today what others won't,
so you can do tomorrow what others can't."

From ka9p at aol.com  Sat May 20 07:53:39 2017
From: ka9p at aol.com (Scott Mcdonald)
Date: Sat, 20 May 2017 07:53:39 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Beam antenna question
In-Reply-To: <CAGhFmTjtFBTRL5gOW8uyOxNwNhrFrtCA6tn8VOQBm7Do=h28kg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <B1219C5B-179F-4E19-A841-E705EA120A8E@mchsi.com>
	<9b2e9bbe-b93b-ef09-c8ac-b28e873e0e7f@gmail.com>
	<a02b778b-eb7d-27e1-0792-9856775f03a0@gmail.com>
	<CAGhFmTjtFBTRL5gOW8uyOxNwNhrFrtCA6tn8VOQBm7Do=h28kg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3AD38A68-0715-4753-A1A1-CE8369CB8762@aol.com>

I have that kind of neighbor hood, so I painted the spreaders grey, and the mast and cables grey, to match the garage and  the too  frequent midwestern sky, put  the mast base and rotor inside the garage,  so the hex just kinds blooms about 10 foot over the roof.  

With the rotor and base hidden, most people don't notice unless I point it out.

Good luck, Scott ka9p

Make something good happen!

> On May 20, 2017, at 6:42 AM, Ted Edwards W3TB <w3tb.ted at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> The low visual profile is helpful to keep the neighbors from noticing.
> I wonder whether anybody has done anything else to minimize the visual
> impact even further line a non-metallic spray paint.
> Thanks ahead of time, good folks.
> 
>> On Sat, May 20, 2017 at 5:33 AM, Igor Sokolov <ua9cdc at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Terry,
>> 
>> As many others mentioned? Hex beam is the best choise. I have 3 of them
>> made by EU manufacturers (very good quality). And one of them (
>> www.foldinganteannas.com) is even foldable and very light weight.
>> 
>> You may also look for MW0JZE Hex. he also makes light version. Do not mess
>> with Al antennas. Hex Beam is much better and easier for portable operation.
>> 
>> 
>> 73, Igor UA9CDC
>> 
>> 
>> 20.05.2017 8:48, Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP ?????:
>> 
>>> I used the K4KIO hexbeam on Field Day -- it was very easy to assemble
>>> and the parts were high quality. It is also visually low-profile. I would
>>> recommend it. I don't have any experience with the TA33 Jr. but my guess is
>>> that there are a lot more things that can go wrong with all those traps.
>>> 
>>> The hexbeam will have gain on WARC bands as well as 10-15-20. My
>>> experience is that with conditions as they are today, 17m is VERY important
>>> (so is 30, for that matter) for DXing.
>>> 
>>> I have a rotatable dipole and yes, it definitely does help a lot to
>>> rotate it! But it isn't a beam.
>>> 
>>> 73,
>>> Victor, 4X6GP
>>> Rehovot, Israel
>>> Formerly K2VCO
>>> http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/
>>> 
>>>> On 20 May 2017 03:02, David Christ wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> For a small footprint it is hard to beat the K4KIO hexagonal beam.  I
>>>> have one and it works well but a better testimonial is a ham about 10
>>>> blocks away with the same antenna and he is on DXCC Honor  Roll.
>>>> hight is about 35 feet.  No tuner needed and all bands 20 through 10
>>>> plus six if you want it.
>>>> 
>>>> Just a satisfied customer
>>>> 
>>>> David K0LUM
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On May 19, 2017, at 7:40 PM, Terry Brown <n7tb at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I apologize that this is not a direct Elecraft equipment question,
>>>>> but having the K2, KX2, KX3, PX3 and KXPA100, I thought I would
>>>>> ask.  I will be moving to a new QTH.  I just took down an old
>>>>> Cushcraft ATB-34, on a 50 ft. tower.  It was the predecessor to the
>>>>> A4.  I need a beam with a smaller footprint.  I am looking at the
>>>>> Mosley TA 33-JR.    My other antenna will be a multi-band doublet
>>>>> fed with 450 window line, so it will be able to work the WARC
>>>>> bands, however, the apex will only be about 25 ft. high, about
>>>>> roof level,  so it will mostly be a cloud burner, but great for my
>>>>> local CW skeds on 80 and 40.  My beam will be at 32-35 ft; 8 ft.
>>>>> above my roofline to the east.  My QTH will be high on a hill
>>>>> facing the east.  With that background, here is the question:
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> If I were to order the Mosley TA33-JR-N-WARC,  with the WARC bands
>>>>> included, even though they will have zero gain, will the ability to
>>>>> rotate the beam make the reception of the 12 and 17 meter bands
>>>>> better in all other directions than the orientation of my doublet?
>>>>> My intuition says yes, but I thought I would ask.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Also, I know that longer length antennas for a given band usually
>>>>> perform better than a trapped antenna, but I would think that my
>>>>> low height doublet will not be as effective as a WARC beam. My
>>>>> doublet will be just at the height of my house and drop to 10 foot
>>>>> poles on the NW and SW lot corners.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> I hated to give up my 50 ft. tower and beam, and my 80 meter
>>>>> horizontal loop at 40 ft., but sometimes compromises have to be
>>>>> made.   Being primarily a CW op will help some.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Any advice would be really appreciated!
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Very 73's,
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Terry de N7TB
>>>>> 
>>>> ______________________________________________________________
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> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> 73 de Ted Edwards, W3TB and G?PWW
> 
> and thinking about operating CW:
> "Do today what others won't,
> so you can do tomorrow what others can't."
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From benny.aumala at gmail.com  Sat May 20 08:26:08 2017
From: benny.aumala at gmail.com (Benny Aumala)
Date: Sat, 20 May 2017 15:26:08 +0300
Subject: [Elecraft] Beam antenna question
Message-ID: <6d783ffb-36e1-e1f4-9548-c60a8ed543d5@gmail.com>

Terry,

Look at the footprint of  UB20MX

http://www.ultrabeam.it/site/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=54&Itemid=18&lang=en

Benny    OH9NB


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From edauer at law.du.edu  Sat May 20 10:05:43 2017
From: edauer at law.du.edu (Dauer, Edward)
Date: Sat, 20 May 2017 14:05:43 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Hex Beam
Message-ID: <A4182BF7-AE4C-4D1A-AD3F-84E00F8152D2@law.du.edu>

Recent posts on the hex beam sent me off to look further into it.  I found what I think is an  excellent discussion at http://www.karinya.net/g3txq/hexbeam/ 

Anyone know a source for support construction notes or ideas for a portable application?

Ted, KN1CBR


From w0mu at w0mu.com  Sat May 20 10:13:35 2017
From: w0mu at w0mu.com (W0MU Mike Fatchett)
Date: Sat, 20 May 2017 08:13:35 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] Hex Beam
In-Reply-To: <A4182BF7-AE4C-4D1A-AD3F-84E00F8152D2@law.du.edu>
References: <A4182BF7-AE4C-4D1A-AD3F-84E00F8152D2@law.du.edu>
Message-ID: <ed46b44e-9758-fb64-cdc5-f38b86593062@w0mu.com>

I have used the K4KIO Hex beam on two DX-peditions, one to J6 and one to 
V3.  It fits inside a hard sided golf club carrier perfectly.   They are 
easy to put together and pretty light.  I compared the Hex beam to a 2 
ele SteppIR and could not really tell any difference.

k4kio.com

W0MU


On 5/20/2017 8:05 AM, Dauer, Edward wrote:
> Recent posts on the hex beam sent me off to look further into it.  I found what I think is an  excellent discussion at http://www.karinya.net/g3txq/hexbeam/
>
> Anyone know a source for support construction notes or ideas for a portable application?
>
> Ted, KN1CBR
>
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From kf5wbo at wickedbeernut.com  Sat May 20 10:41:54 2017
From: kf5wbo at wickedbeernut.com (Joe Stone (KF5WBO))
Date: Sat, 20 May 2017 07:41:54 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] Dayton Hamvention 2017
Message-ID: <1495291314880-7630859.post@n2.nabble.com>

What did Elecraft debut at Hamvention?



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From rpfjeld at outlook.com  Sat May 20 11:07:03 2017
From: rpfjeld at outlook.com (Richard Fjeld)
Date: Sat, 20 May 2017 15:07:03 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Beam antenna question
In-Reply-To: <9b2e9bbe-b93b-ef09-c8ac-b28e873e0e7f@gmail.com>
References: <B1219C5B-179F-4E19-A841-E705EA120A8E@mchsi.com>,
	<9b2e9bbe-b93b-ef09-c8ac-b28e873e0e7f@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <DM5PR1601MB1210C6FB20670D8038AC21C1BFFA0@DM5PR1601MB1210.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>

I had a TA33Jr back in the 70?s when the sun cycle was good.  I had a Ten-Tec Argonaut QRP rig and worked a lot of DX with it BUT conditions were very good.  Note is was only for three bands.

I second what Vic is saying, though I am speaking about hex beams in general.  Hex beams are a good solution at times. I have talked to many who were using them.  Vic?s comment about ?low profile? can be  important. I have heard people say their neighbors were not aware it was a ham radio antenna. I have also read they only need to be up about 20 feet high. They are said to be good in the wind. (Maybe all this has been mentioned)

Rich, n0ce

From: Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP<mailto:k2vco.vic at gmail.com>
Sent: Friday, May 19, 2017 10:49 PM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net<mailto:elecraft at mailman.qth.net>; Terry Brown<mailto:n7tb at comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Beam antenna question

I used the K4KIO hexbeam on Field Day -- it was very easy to assemble
and the parts were high quality. It is also visually low-profile. I
would recommend it. I don't have any experience with the TA33 Jr. but my
guess is that there are a lot more things that can go wrong with all
those traps.

The hexbeam will have gain on WARC bands as well as 10-15-20. My
experience is that with conditions as they are today, 17m is VERY
important (so is 30, for that matter) for DXing.

I have a rotatable dipole and yes, it definitely does help a lot to
rotate it! But it isn't a beam.

73,
Victor, 4X6GP
Rehovot, Israel
Formerly K2VCO
http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/



From n7tb at comcast.net  Sat May 20 11:32:53 2017
From: n7tb at comcast.net (Terry Brown)
Date: Sat, 20 May 2017 08:32:53 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Beam antenna question
In-Reply-To: <DM5PR1601MB1210C6FB20670D8038AC21C1BFFA0@DM5PR1601MB1210.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
References: <B1219C5B-179F-4E19-A841-E705EA120A8E@mchsi.com>
	<9b2e9bbe-b93b-ef09-c8ac-b28e873e0e7f@gmail.com>
	<DM5PR1601MB1210C6FB20670D8038AC21C1BFFA0@DM5PR1601MB1210.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <00579C7F-C042-4E5F-AB69-0EB6975D6FD4@comcast.net>

I really appreciate all the comments.  I do have a follow up question:

An aluminum beam can be left up for years. I was reading one review of a particular hex beam and the poster said that after 4 years,  the cords holding the beam together had become brittle and started to fail from UV exposure and the main support members had deteriorated for same reason. 

These beams are not cheap,  I don't want to be taking the beam down and replacing main structural components every 5 yrs.

Can anyone with a hex beam comment on this?

Thanks, Terry

> On May 20, 2017, at 8:07 AM, Richard Fjeld <rpfjeld at outlook.com> wrote:
> 
> I had a TA33Jr back in the 70?s when the sun cycle was good.  I had a Ten-Tec Argonaut QRP rig and worked a lot of DX with it BUT conditions were very good.  Note is was only for three bands.
>  
> I second what Vic is saying, though I am speaking about hex beams in general.  Hex beams are a good solution at times. I have talked to many who were using them.  Vic?s comment about ?low profile? can be  important. I have heard people say their neighbors were not aware it was a ham radio antenna. I have also read they only need to be up about 20 feet high. They are said to be good in the wind. (Maybe all this has been mentioned)
>  
> Rich, n0ce
>  
> From: Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP
> Sent: Friday, May 19, 2017 10:49 PM
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net; Terry Brown
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Beam antenna question
>  
> I used the K4KIO hexbeam on Field Day -- it was very easy to assemble
> and the parts were high quality. It is also visually low-profile. I 
> would recommend it. I don't have any experience with the TA33 Jr. but my 
> guess is that there are a lot more things that can go wrong with all 
> those traps.
> 
> The hexbeam will have gain on WARC bands as well as 10-15-20. My 
> experience is that with conditions as they are today, 17m is VERY 
> important (so is 30, for that matter) for DXing.
> 
> I have a rotatable dipole and yes, it definitely does help a lot to 
> rotate it! But it isn't a beam.
> 
> 73,
> Victor, 4X6GP
> Rehovot, Israel
> Formerly K2VCO
> http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/
> 
> 

From lists at subich.com  Sat May 20 12:36:37 2017
From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV)
Date: Sat, 20 May 2017 12:36:37 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Beam antenna question
In-Reply-To: <00579C7F-C042-4E5F-AB69-0EB6975D6FD4@comcast.net>
References: <B1219C5B-179F-4E19-A841-E705EA120A8E@mchsi.com>
	<9b2e9bbe-b93b-ef09-c8ac-b28e873e0e7f@gmail.com>
	<DM5PR1601MB1210C6FB20670D8038AC21C1BFFA0@DM5PR1601MB1210.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
	<00579C7F-C042-4E5F-AB69-0EB6975D6FD4@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <f1509664-d3a1-707c-b535-1359d09a4456@subich.com>

On 5/20/2017 11:32 AM, Terry Brown wrote:
 > These beams are not cheap,  I don't want to be taking the beam down
 > and replacing main structural components every 5 yrs.
 >
 > Can anyone with a hex beam comment on this?

Your concerns are well placed with antennas made of fiberglass and
dacron/kevlar cords.

Instead of a hexbeam, I would recommend looking at the Innovantennas
XR5T: 
<http://innovantennas.com/antennas-a-accesories/on-line-shop/view/productdetails/virtuemart_product_id/435/virtuemart_category_id/55.html>, 

or the JK Antennas Navassa 5:
<https://jkantennas.com/jk-navassa-5.html>

Both have boom lengths of 12 feet or less, cover 20 - 10 meters and
have optional 6 meter add-ons.  Either should significantly out
perform the hex beams and - since they are aluminum antennas that do
not use UV sensitive fiberglass, kevlar and dacron components - should
significantly outlast the hexbeam with significantly less maintenance.

73,

    ... Joe, W4TV


On 5/20/2017 11:32 AM, Terry Brown wrote:
> I really appreciate all the comments.  I do have a follow up
> question:
>
> An aluminum beam can be left up for years. I was reading one review
> of a particular hex beam and the poster said that after 4 years,  the
> cords holding the beam together had become brittle and started to
> fail from UV exposure and the main support members had deteriorated
> for same reason.
>
> These beams are not cheap,  I don't want to be taking the beam down
> and replacing main structural components every 5 yrs.
>
> Can anyone with a hex beam comment on this?
>
> Thanks, Terry
>

From phystad at mac.com  Sat May 20 13:45:23 2017
From: phystad at mac.com (Phil Hystad)
Date: Sat, 20 May 2017 10:45:23 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Beam antenna question
In-Reply-To: <00579C7F-C042-4E5F-AB69-0EB6975D6FD4@comcast.net>
References: <B1219C5B-179F-4E19-A841-E705EA120A8E@mchsi.com>
	<9b2e9bbe-b93b-ef09-c8ac-b28e873e0e7f@gmail.com>
	<DM5PR1601MB1210C6FB20670D8038AC21C1BFFA0@DM5PR1601MB1210.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
	<00579C7F-C042-4E5F-AB69-0EB6975D6FD4@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <84B1CBC9-2929-493D-BEB5-1C55E141010A@mac.com>

I have a Traffie Hexbeam (Traffie retired and the company is no longer in business) and it has been up for about 12 years.  My last check of the elements, coaxial connection and so on showed no problems what-so-ever.  Operating performance seems to be just as good today as when it first went up in 2005.  Weather has been rain (mostly), sun with high temperatures reaching into the 90s usually in August (one recorded day at 103 though), and snow once or twice a year but the snow never lasts for more than a day or two at most on the antenna.

I am not sure about other vendor?s versions of the Hexbeam but mine has been a worthy contender in the battle with weather.

By the way, the Hexbeam is visible from the Google satellite photos of my house.

73, phil, K7PEH


> On May 20, 2017, at 8:32 AM, Terry Brown <n7tb at comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> I really appreciate all the comments.  I do have a follow up question:
> 
> An aluminum beam can be left up for years. I was reading one review of a particular hex beam and the poster said that after 4 years,  the cords holding the beam together had become brittle and started to fail from UV exposure and the main support members had deteriorated for same reason. 
> 
> These beams are not cheap,  I don't want to be taking the beam down and replacing main structural components every 5 yrs.
> 
> Can anyone with a hex beam comment on this?
> 
> Thanks, Terry
> 
>> On May 20, 2017, at 8:07 AM, Richard Fjeld <rpfjeld at outlook.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I had a TA33Jr back in the 70?s when the sun cycle was good.  I had a Ten-Tec Argonaut QRP rig and worked a lot of DX with it BUT conditions were very good.  Note is was only for three bands.
>> 
>> I second what Vic is saying, though I am speaking about hex beams in general.  Hex beams are a good solution at times. I have talked to many who were using them.  Vic?s comment about ?low profile? can be  important. I have heard people say their neighbors were not aware it was a ham radio antenna. I have also read they only need to be up about 20 feet high. They are said to be good in the wind. (Maybe all this has been mentioned)
>> 
>> Rich, n0ce
>> 
>> From: Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP
>> Sent: Friday, May 19, 2017 10:49 PM
>> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net; Terry Brown
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Beam antenna question
>> 
>> I used the K4KIO hexbeam on Field Day -- it was very easy to assemble
>> and the parts were high quality. It is also visually low-profile. I 
>> would recommend it. I don't have any experience with the TA33 Jr. but my 
>> guess is that there are a lot more things that can go wrong with all 
>> those traps.
>> 
>> The hexbeam will have gain on WARC bands as well as 10-15-20. My 
>> experience is that with conditions as they are today, 17m is VERY 
>> important (so is 30, for that matter) for DXing.
>> 
>> I have a rotatable dipole and yes, it definitely does help a lot to 
>> rotate it! But it isn't a beam.
>> 
>> 73,
>> Victor, 4X6GP
>> Rehovot, Israel
>> Formerly K2VCO
>> http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/
>> 
>> 
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From ron at cobi.biz  Sat May 20 14:00:10 2017
From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire)
Date: Sat, 20 May 2017 11:00:10 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Beam antenna question
In-Reply-To: <DM5PR1601MB1210C6FB20670D8038AC21C1BFFA0@DM5PR1601MB1210.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
References: <B1219C5B-179F-4E19-A841-E705EA120A8E@mchsi.com>,
	<9b2e9bbe-b93b-ef09-c8ac-b28e873e0e7f@gmail.com>
	<DM5PR1601MB1210C6FB20670D8038AC21C1BFFA0@DM5PR1601MB1210.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <000001d2d192$ec939110$c5bab330$@biz>

Any horizontally-polarized antenna needs to be at least 1/2 wavelength above
ground for optimum performance, e.g. 32 feet up on 20 meters, 16 feet up on
10 meters. 

They will work at lower heights of course, but at reduced gain as they are
lower. 

20 feet sounds like a reasonable compromise for a 14 MHz and up antenna,
especially since the actual apparent ground is usually somewhat below the
surface of the earth in most locations.

73, Ron AC7AC  

-----Original Message-----

I have also read they only need to be up about 20 feet high. 
Rich, n0ce


From jnogatch at gmail.com  Sat May 20 14:07:00 2017
From: jnogatch at gmail.com (John Nogatch)
Date: Sat, 20 May 2017 11:07:00 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Beam antenna question
In-Reply-To: <84B1CBC9-2929-493D-BEB5-1C55E141010A@mac.com>
References: <B1219C5B-179F-4E19-A841-E705EA120A8E@mchsi.com>
	<9b2e9bbe-b93b-ef09-c8ac-b28e873e0e7f@gmail.com>
	<DM5PR1601MB1210C6FB20670D8038AC21C1BFFA0@DM5PR1601MB1210.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
	<00579C7F-C042-4E5F-AB69-0EB6975D6FD4@comcast.net>
	<84B1CBC9-2929-493D-BEB5-1C55E141010A@mac.com>
Message-ID: <CADTTAax32xBysEpBVxTufratjNVrhw=cN-f2eLE31YjCG+S5ig@mail.gmail.com>

>> ...I don't want to be taking the beam down and replacing main structural components every 5 yrs.
>> Can anyone with a hex beam comment on this?

I have had several homebrew hexbeams, which have survived weather quite well.

1. Use UV-resistant cord, e.g. 3/32" "Antenna Rope" double braided polyester.

2. Paint the fiberglass spreaders, 2 coats, e.g. black "Fusion" spray
paint, recommended for plastic lawn furniture.

3. Use a coaxial center post, i.e. aluminum rod inside aluminum tube,
so that only the stainless steel screw heads are exposed to weather.

4. Use a 90-degree fitting to attach the feedline, so that it can hang
straight down, alongside the center post.

-John AC6SL

From k2vco.vic at gmail.com  Sat May 20 15:34:40 2017
From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Vic Rosenthal)
Date: Sat, 20 May 2017 22:34:40 +0300
Subject: [Elecraft] Beam antenna question
In-Reply-To: <f1509664-d3a1-707c-b535-1359d09a4456@subich.com>
References: <B1219C5B-179F-4E19-A841-E705EA120A8E@mchsi.com>
	<9b2e9bbe-b93b-ef09-c8ac-b28e873e0e7f@gmail.com>
	<DM5PR1601MB1210C6FB20670D8038AC21C1BFFA0@DM5PR1601MB1210.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
	<00579C7F-C042-4E5F-AB69-0EB6975D6FD4@comcast.net>
	<f1509664-d3a1-707c-b535-1359d09a4456@subich.com>
Message-ID: <ABD2ECC9-ABB0-4436-AB4A-C64F6DC1B9F3@gmail.com>

Why do you think it will "significantly outperform the hex beams?" 
The point about uv is well taken re fiberglass, but I don't know what the cords on all the hexbeam versions are made of. There are uv resistant materials available.
I wouldn't say an 11 element yagi with capacity hats on the elements has an especially low visual profile!

Vic 4X6GP 

> On 20 May 2017, at 19:36, Joe Subich, W4TV <lists at subich.com> wrote:
> 
> On 5/20/2017 11:32 AM, Terry Brown wrote:
> > These beams are not cheap,  I don't want to be taking the beam down
> > and replacing main structural components every 5 yrs.
> >
> > Can anyone with a hex beam comment on this?
> 
> Your concerns are well placed with antennas made of fiberglass and
> dacron/kevlar cords.
> 
> Instead of a hexbeam, I would recommend looking at the Innovantennas
> XR5T: <http://innovantennas.com/antennas-a-accesories/on-line-shop/view/productdetails/virtuemart_product_id/435/virtuemart_category_id/55.html>, 
> or the JK Antennas Navassa 5:
> <https://jkantennas.com/jk-navassa-5.html>
> 
> Both have boom lengths of 12 feet or less, cover 20 - 10 meters and
> have optional 6 meter add-ons.  Either should significantly out
> perform the hex beams and - since they are aluminum antennas that do
> not use UV sensitive fiberglass, kevlar and dacron components - should
> significantly outlast the hexbeam with significantly less maintenance.
> 
> 73,
> 
>   ... Joe, W4TV
>> 

From ron at cobi.biz  Sat May 20 15:59:21 2017
From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire)
Date: Sat, 20 May 2017 12:59:21 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Beam antenna question
In-Reply-To: <ABD2ECC9-ABB0-4436-AB4A-C64F6DC1B9F3@gmail.com>
References: <B1219C5B-179F-4E19-A841-E705EA120A8E@mchsi.com>	<9b2e9bbe-b93b-ef09-c8ac-b28e873e0e7f@gmail.com>	<DM5PR1601MB1210C6FB20670D8038AC21C1BFFA0@DM5PR1601MB1210.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>	<00579C7F-C042-4E5F-AB69-0EB6975D6FD4@comcast.net>	<f1509664-d3a1-707c-b535-1359d09a4456@subich.com>
	<ABD2ECC9-ABB0-4436-AB4A-C64F6DC1B9F3@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000601d2d1a3$93615670$ba240350$@biz>

I don't have a Hex beam, but for my wire antennas strung in the trees I use
this stuff:

https://www.dxengineering.com/parts/syn-dbr-187-500?seid=dxese1&cm_mmc=pla-g
oogle-_-shopping-_-dxese1-_-synthetic-textile-industries&gclid=Cj0KEQjw0v_IB
RCEzKHK0KiCrKMBEiQA3--1NnAInx_Rd5SOr2M6T-EFGXAMt2kyFHAtRWJdawQOdhAaAsN58P8HA
Q

It has survived nicely holding up a wire antenna for ten years so far in
high winds, sunshine, rain, snow, and freezing weather. It's hard to imagine
that a Hex beam would put more strain on it. 

However, I am in Oregon. The rope is advertised as UV resistant but we don't
get nearly as much UV as some other areas. (Sunblock salesmen go broke
around here.) 

73, Ron AC7AC


-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Vic
Rosenthal
Sent: Saturday, May 20, 2017 12:35 PM
To: Joe Subich, W4TV
Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Beam antenna question

Why do you think it will "significantly outperform the hex beams?" 
The point about uv is well taken re fiberglass, but I don't know what the
cords on all the hexbeam versions are made of. There are uv resistant
materials available.
I wouldn't say an 11 element yagi with capacity hats on the elements has an
especially low visual profile!

Vic 4X6GP 

> On 20 May 2017, at 19:36, Joe Subich, W4TV <lists at subich.com> wrote:
> 
> On 5/20/2017 11:32 AM, Terry Brown wrote:
> > These beams are not cheap,  I don't want to be taking the beam down 
> > and replacing main structural components every 5 yrs.
> >
> > Can anyone with a hex beam comment on this?
> 
> Your concerns are well placed with antennas made of fiberglass and 
> dacron/kevlar cords.
> 
> Instead of a hexbeam, I would recommend looking at the Innovantennas
> XR5T: 
> <http://innovantennas.com/antennas-a-accesories/on-line-shop/view/prod
> uctdetails/virtuemart_product_id/435/virtuemart_category_id/55.html>,
> or the JK Antennas Navassa 5:
> <https://jkantennas.com/jk-navassa-5.html>
> 
> Both have boom lengths of 12 feet or less, cover 20 - 10 meters and 
> have optional 6 meter add-ons.  Either should significantly out 
> perform the hex beams and - since they are aluminum antennas that do 
> not use UV sensitive fiberglass, kevlar and dacron components - should 
> significantly outlast the hexbeam with significantly less maintenance.
> 
> 73,
> 
>   ... Joe, W4TV
>> 
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From lists at subich.com  Sat May 20 16:28:57 2017
From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV)
Date: Sat, 20 May 2017 16:28:57 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Beam antenna question
In-Reply-To: <ABD2ECC9-ABB0-4436-AB4A-C64F6DC1B9F3@gmail.com>
References: <B1219C5B-179F-4E19-A841-E705EA120A8E@mchsi.com>
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	<f1509664-d3a1-707c-b535-1359d09a4456@subich.com>
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 > Why do you think it will "significantly outperform the hex beams?"

Based on the performance data (K7LXC/N0AX) for the original Force 12
C3 and TH11 with comparisons of the broadband Hexbeam and the TH11.
The K7LXC/N0AX field data shows the C3 outperforming the TH11 while
G3TXQ's web page <http://www.karinya.net/g3txq/hexbeam/broadband/>
shows the TH11 with approximately 3 dB advantage over the broadband
hexbeam.

> I wouldn't say an 11 element yagi with capacity hats on the elements
 > has an especially low visual profile!

Neither the XR5 nor the Navassa 5 has 11 elements *or* capacity hats.
The XR5 is a 9-element antenna and the Navassa 5 has 10 elements as
documented in the two links I provided.

73,

    ... Joe, W4TV


On 5/20/2017 3:34 PM, Vic Rosenthal wrote:
> Why do you think it will "significantly outperform the hex beams?"
> The point about uv is well taken re fiberglass, but I don't know what the cords on all the hexbeam versions are made of. There are uv resistant materials available.
> I wouldn't say an 11 element yagi with capacity hats on the elements has an especially low visual profile!
>
> Vic 4X6GP
>
>> On 20 May 2017, at 19:36, Joe Subich, W4TV <lists at subich.com> wrote:
>>
>> On 5/20/2017 11:32 AM, Terry Brown wrote:
>>> These beams are not cheap,  I don't want to be taking the beam down
>>> and replacing main structural components every 5 yrs.
>>>
>>> Can anyone with a hex beam comment on this?
>>
>> Your concerns are well placed with antennas made of fiberglass and
>> dacron/kevlar cords.
>>
>> Instead of a hexbeam, I would recommend looking at the Innovantennas
>> XR5T: <http://innovantennas.com/antennas-a-accesories/on-line-shop/view/productdetails/virtuemart_product_id/435/virtuemart_category_id/55.html>,
>> or the JK Antennas Navassa 5:
>> <https://jkantennas.com/jk-navassa-5.html>
>>
>> Both have boom lengths of 12 feet or less, cover 20 - 10 meters and
>> have optional 6 meter add-ons.  Either should significantly out
>> perform the hex beams and - since they are aluminum antennas that do
>> not use UV sensitive fiberglass, kevlar and dacron components - should
>> significantly outlast the hexbeam with significantly less maintenance.
>>
>> 73,
>>
>>   ... Joe, W4TV
>>>
>

From w4sc at windstream.net  Sat May 20 17:17:54 2017
From: w4sc at windstream.net (w4sc)
Date: Sat, 20 May 2017 17:17:54 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Weighted CNC Knobs for K3
Message-ID: <9738D5DB272A486080CEAAD39A9F648E@z22z28>

Knobs Main and VFO B. Version 1.  Perfect. $105 shipped.  Please contact off list for payment options.
de Ben W4SC

From w4sc at windstream.net  Sat May 20 17:20:42 2017
From: w4sc at windstream.net (w4sc)
Date: Sat, 20 May 2017 17:20:42 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Y box excess to my needs
Message-ID: <79AC2A49775B4A5F890F7B2D035B3AD6@z22z28>

I have one (1) N6TV Y-Box excess to my needs.  NEW.

$135 shipped USA insured.

Please me contact off list for payment options.

73 de Ben W4SC

From n6kr at elecraft.com  Sat May 20 18:10:18 2017
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Sat, 20 May 2017 18:10:18 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Dayton Hamvention 2017
In-Reply-To: <1495291314880-7630859.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1495291314880-7630859.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <4F8A7D90-75F7-445C-9916-1ABFE599036A@elecraft.com>

KPA1500 amp. And some cool KX2/KX3 firmware features. If there's anything in-between I missed it. 

Oh... new T-shirt, too  ;-)


----
http://www.elecraft.com

> On May 20, 2017, at 10:41 AM, Joe Stone (KF5WBO) <kf5wbo at wickedbeernut.com> wrote:
> 
> What did Elecraft debut at Hamvention?
> 
> 
> 
> --
> View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Dayton-Hamvention-2017-tp7630859.html
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From kg9hfrank at gmail.com  Sat May 20 18:59:29 2017
From: kg9hfrank at gmail.com (kg9hfrank at gmail.com)
Date: Sat, 20 May 2017 17:59:29 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 not responding
Message-ID: <2F4ED0C7-941B-4F88-B554-A4D14F706B22@gmail.com>

Folks, I just updated my firmware on my KX3 all went well.
I removed the Elecraft cable and then a few minutes later I reconnected the cable back to the radio.
Now I when I start the Elecraft KX3 Utility and ?test the communications? button, It says KX3 not responding.
Anyone?
Frank KG9H


From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Sat May 20 19:17:20 2017
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sat, 20 May 2017 19:17:20 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 not responding
In-Reply-To: <2F4ED0C7-941B-4F88-B554-A4D14F706B22@gmail.com>
References: <2F4ED0C7-941B-4F88-B554-A4D14F706B22@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4037de7d-e1c1-237e-39f2-f32d6eb6c4eb@embarqmail.com>

Frank,

The USB to serial port may have changed (computer problem).
Remove the USB end of the KXUSB and reboot the computer.  When the 
computer boot process has finished, plug in the USB connector and see 
which COM port is assigned to it.
If you cannot tell, open Device Manager - then remove the USB cable 
again - which COM port goes away?  The plug it back in and see which COM 
port is assigned.
Use that COM port number in KX3 Utility and it should recognize the KX3.

Most problem of this nature are due to the computer, and not the radio.

If that does not solve the problem, then look in the manual or the KX3 
Utility Help file for "Forcing a Firmware Load" - try those steps, 
reload the firmware and all should be well.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 5/20/2017 6:59 PM, kg9hfrank at gmail.com wrote:
> Folks, I just updated my firmware on my KX3 all went well.
> I removed the Elecraft cable and then a few minutes later I reconnected the cable back to the radio.
> Now I when I start the Elecraft KX3 Utility and ?test the communications? button, It says KX3 not responding.

From wa6nhc at gmail.com  Sat May 20 19:26:40 2017
From: wa6nhc at gmail.com (Rick WA6NHC)
Date: Sat, 20 May 2017 16:26:40 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 not responding
In-Reply-To: <4037de7d-e1c1-237e-39f2-f32d6eb6c4eb@embarqmail.com>
References: <2F4ED0C7-941B-4F88-B554-A4D14F706B22@gmail.com>
	<4037de7d-e1c1-237e-39f2-f32d6eb6c4eb@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <fe21dc50-aea1-bf94-35be-a9c42a120c45@gmail.com>

In some cases, a complete power off, power supply disconnected (desktop, 
battery pulled for laptop) is needed.  Sometimes components 'stick' and 
the only way to clear them is a complete cold hard reboot.

It's also not just USB dongles, sometimes the same thing happens on real 
serial ports.

Rick wa6nhc/7
Now from North Idaho!


On 5/20/2017 4:17 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
> Frank,
>
> The USB to serial port may have changed (computer problem).
> Remove the USB end of the KXUSB and reboot the computer.  When the 
> computer boot process has finished, plug in the USB connector and see 
> which COM port is assigned to it.
> If you cannot tell, open Device Manager - then remove the USB cable 
> again - which COM port goes away?  The plug it back in and see which 
> COM port is assigned.
> Use that COM port number in KX3 Utility and it should recognize the KX3.
>
> Most problem of this nature are due to the computer, and not the radio.
>
> If that does not solve the problem, then look in the manual or the KX3 
> Utility Help file for "Forcing a Firmware Load" - try those steps, 
> reload the firmware and all should be well.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 5/20/2017 6:59 PM, kg9hfrank at gmail.com wrote:
>> Folks, I just updated my firmware on my KX3 all went well.
>> I removed the Elecraft cable and then a few minutes later I 
>> reconnected the cable back to the radio.
>> Now I when I start the Elecraft KX3 Utility and ?test the 
>> communications? button, It says KX3 not responding.
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From alan at wilcoxengineering.com  Sat May 20 20:11:05 2017
From: alan at wilcoxengineering.com (Alan D. Wilcox)
Date: Sat, 20 May 2017 20:11:05 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Tuneup, Rescue, Build your K2, K1, KX1, others
Message-ID: <8D5BDBC6-3AD0-4961-84A4-79CDDC011AD1@wilcoxengineering.com>

Hello,

Have you always wanted an Elecraft? A KX1, K1, K2,  whatever? 
I?ll build any of them.

Does your K2 need a tuneup?

In addition to tuning your rig, I can also rescue a building project you might have started some time ago.

See what my clients have said about my construction and service work at 
http://www.eham.net/reviews/detail/6768 

Photos of the popular "Twins" -- the KPA100 and KAT100 in EC2 enclosure --  are at
http://wilcoxengineering.com/kpa100-in-ec2/ 

Cheers,
Alan

Alan D. Wilcox, W3DVX (K2-5373, K3-40)
570-478-0736 (cell, text)
http://amazon.com/author/alandwilcox
Williamsport, PA 17701


From ormandj at corenode.com  Sat May 20 20:56:49 2017
From: ormandj at corenode.com (David Orman)
Date: Sun, 21 May 2017 00:56:49 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Dayton Hamvention 2017
In-Reply-To: <4F8A7D90-75F7-445C-9916-1ABFE599036A@elecraft.com>
References: <1495291314880-7630859.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<4F8A7D90-75F7-445C-9916-1ABFE599036A@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <CAGxZ45pHZ4Um_DEXbstjhKBdBfwNf1JxD5m=GS4a0osh3bzaoQ@mail.gmail.com>

Ohh, what features? Sounds fun! Hope you and the other folks out there are
having a great time!

David / K5DJO

On Sat, May 20, 2017, 17:11 Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com> wrote:

> KPA1500 amp. And some cool KX2/KX3 firmware features. If there's anything
> in-between I missed it.
>
> Oh... new T-shirt, too  ;-)
>
>
> ----
> http://www.elecraft.com
>
> > On May 20, 2017, at 10:41 AM, Joe Stone (KF5WBO) <
> kf5wbo at wickedbeernut.com> wrote:
> >
> > What did Elecraft debut at Hamvention?
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > View this message in context:
> http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Dayton-Hamvention-2017-tp7630859.html
> > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
> > ______________________________________________________________
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From ua9cdc at gmail.com  Sun May 21 00:14:35 2017
From: ua9cdc at gmail.com (Igor Sokolov)
Date: Sun, 21 May 2017 09:14:35 +0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Beam antenna question
In-Reply-To: <f1509664-d3a1-707c-b535-1359d09a4456@subich.com>
References: <B1219C5B-179F-4E19-A841-E705EA120A8E@mchsi.com>
	<9b2e9bbe-b93b-ef09-c8ac-b28e873e0e7f@gmail.com>
	<DM5PR1601MB1210C6FB20670D8038AC21C1BFFA0@DM5PR1601MB1210.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
	<00579C7F-C042-4E5F-AB69-0EB6975D6FD4@comcast.net>
	<f1509664-d3a1-707c-b535-1359d09a4456@subich.com>
Message-ID: <33683308-050c-1435-b640-056c4f8ec795@gmail.com>

Joe,

Reality sometimes differ from calculations.

XR5T has shortened 20m elements and pretty poor F/B as compared to Hex. 
Last year we were operating in WPX contest from Madeira, CT9 and had 2 
antennas up on 15m band. One was 4 el Op-Des 15m full size monobander 
from Innovantennas. Another one was Hex. Both installed at the same 
height of 10m above the ground. We were surprised to find out that Hex 
had been always outperforming 4el Innov into Eu and the USA. so we ended 
up using only Hex.

Besides XR5 is 3 times heavier them Hex and much more visible (let it's 
price alone).

BTW is somebody wants a pair of these 4el 15m full size monoband 
Innovantennas, they are for sale, stored in Madeira, and we are selling 
them for 50% of their original price.

Fiberglass spreaders of our Hex are coming from Maxgain and UV 
resistant. So are wires and ropes. All bolts and nuts are made of 
stainless steel.


73, Igor UA9CDC


20.05.2017 21:36, Joe Subich, W4TV ?????:
> On 5/20/2017 11:32 AM, Terry Brown wrote:
> > These beams are not cheap,  I don't want to be taking the beam down
> > and replacing main structural components every 5 yrs.
> >
> > Can anyone with a hex beam comment on this?
>
> Your concerns are well placed with antennas made of fiberglass and
> dacron/kevlar cords.
>
> Instead of a hexbeam, I would recommend looking at the Innovantennas
> XR5T: 
> <http://innovantennas.com/antennas-a-accesories/on-line-shop/view/productdetails/virtuemart_product_id/435/virtuemart_category_id/55.html>, 
>
> or the JK Antennas Navassa 5:
> <https://jkantennas.com/jk-navassa-5.html>
>
> Both have boom lengths of 12 feet or less, cover 20 - 10 meters and
> have optional 6 meter add-ons.  Either should significantly out
> perform the hex beams and - since they are aluminum antennas that do
> not use UV sensitive fiberglass, kevlar and dacron components - should
> significantly outlast the hexbeam with significantly less maintenance.
>
> 73,
>
>    ... Joe, W4TV
>
>
> On 5/20/2017 11:32 AM, Terry Brown wrote:
>> I really appreciate all the comments.  I do have a follow up
>> question:
>>
>> An aluminum beam can be left up for years. I was reading one review
>> of a particular hex beam and the poster said that after 4 years,  the
>> cords holding the beam together had become brittle and started to
>> fail from UV exposure and the main support members had deteriorated
>> for same reason.
>>
>> These beams are not cheap,  I don't want to be taking the beam down
>> and replacing main structural components every 5 yrs.
>>
>> Can anyone with a hex beam comment on this?
>>
>> Thanks, Terry
>>
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From ua9cdc at gmail.com  Sun May 21 00:27:26 2017
From: ua9cdc at gmail.com (Igor Sokolov)
Date: Sun, 21 May 2017 09:27:26 +0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Beam antenna question
In-Reply-To: <b04a506e-ee1f-d109-677d-000394f5c67d@subich.com>
References: <B1219C5B-179F-4E19-A841-E705EA120A8E@mchsi.com>
	<9b2e9bbe-b93b-ef09-c8ac-b28e873e0e7f@gmail.com>
	<DM5PR1601MB1210C6FB20670D8038AC21C1BFFA0@DM5PR1601MB1210.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
	<00579C7F-C042-4E5F-AB69-0EB6975D6FD4@comcast.net>
	<f1509664-d3a1-707c-b535-1359d09a4456@subich.com>
	<ABD2ECC9-ABB0-4436-AB4A-C64F6DC1B9F3@gmail.com>
	<b04a506e-ee1f-d109-677d-000394f5c67d@subich.com>
Message-ID: <ff28cd1b-6b6d-b416-0712-14684f3010ca@gmail.com>



21.05.2017 1:28, Joe Subich, W4TV ?????:
>
>
>
> Neither the XR5 nor the Navassa 5 has 11 elements *or* capacity hats.
> The XR5 is a 9-element antenna and the Navassa 5 has 10 elements as
> documented in the two links I provided.
>
> 73,
>
>    ... Joe, W4TV
>
>

Here is what can be found on the page of Innovantennas " The XR5, comes 
with a capacity loaded 20m element Option (XR6-TC which reduces the 
longest element from 11.6m to 8.9m) and reduced turning radius too!"
It just clever marketing. The first 2 pictures on that page are probably 
of the original XR5 (not the reduced size XR5-T). The 3rd picture is the 
actual XR5-T and capacity hats are pretty visible.

73, Igor UA9CDC

From ua9cdc at gmail.com  Sun May 21 00:34:45 2017
From: ua9cdc at gmail.com (Igor Sokolov)
Date: Sun, 21 May 2017 09:34:45 +0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Beam antenna question
In-Reply-To: <ff28cd1b-6b6d-b416-0712-14684f3010ca@gmail.com>
References: <B1219C5B-179F-4E19-A841-E705EA120A8E@mchsi.com>
	<9b2e9bbe-b93b-ef09-c8ac-b28e873e0e7f@gmail.com>
	<DM5PR1601MB1210C6FB20670D8038AC21C1BFFA0@DM5PR1601MB1210.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
	<00579C7F-C042-4E5F-AB69-0EB6975D6FD4@comcast.net>
	<f1509664-d3a1-707c-b535-1359d09a4456@subich.com>
	<ABD2ECC9-ABB0-4436-AB4A-C64F6DC1B9F3@gmail.com>
	<b04a506e-ee1f-d109-677d-000394f5c67d@subich.com>
	<ff28cd1b-6b6d-b416-0712-14684f3010ca@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <12d7e79f-38b5-a6da-435b-bff46d6e21f1@gmail.com>

Please disregard my message below. XR5-T with cap hats is called XR6. 
And Joe is talking about XR5-T.

I apologize for my mistake.

73, Igor UA9CDC



21.05.2017 9:27, Igor Sokolov ?????:
>
>
> 21.05.2017 1:28, Joe Subich, W4TV ?????:
>>
>>
>>
>> Neither the XR5 nor the Navassa 5 has 11 elements *or* capacity hats.
>> The XR5 is a 9-element antenna and the Navassa 5 has 10 elements as
>> documented in the two links I provided.
>>
>> 73,
>>
>>    ... Joe, W4TV
>>
>>
>
> Here is what can be found on the page of Innovantennas " The XR5, 
> comes with a capacity loaded 20m element Option (XR6-TC which reduces 
> the longest element from 11.6m to 8.9m) and reduced turning radius too!"
> It just clever marketing. The first 2 pictures on that page are 
> probably of the original XR5 (not the reduced size XR5-T). The 3rd 
> picture is the actual XR5-T and capacity hats are pretty visible.
>
> 73, Igor UA9CDC


From k2vco.vic at gmail.com  Sun May 21 00:45:57 2017
From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Vic Rosenthal)
Date: Sun, 21 May 2017 07:45:57 +0300
Subject: [Elecraft] Beam antenna question
In-Reply-To: <b04a506e-ee1f-d109-677d-000394f5c67d@subich.com>
References: <B1219C5B-179F-4E19-A841-E705EA120A8E@mchsi.com>
	<9b2e9bbe-b93b-ef09-c8ac-b28e873e0e7f@gmail.com>
	<DM5PR1601MB1210C6FB20670D8038AC21C1BFFA0@DM5PR1601MB1210.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
	<00579C7F-C042-4E5F-AB69-0EB6975D6FD4@comcast.net>
	<f1509664-d3a1-707c-b535-1359d09a4456@subich.com>
	<ABD2ECC9-ABB0-4436-AB4A-C64F6DC1B9F3@gmail.com>
	<b04a506e-ee1f-d109-677d-000394f5c67d@subich.com>
Message-ID: <A3D23C22-7898-4268-88F1-D0164F9A82ED@gmail.com>

The TH11DXX that G3TXQ compares to the Hexbeam has at least 3 elements on each band and is a modern design, no traps. If someone found that the C3 (2 el on each band) outperformed it, I would be very suspicious that something was wrong with the sample tested.
I did look at the wrong picture and you are correct that the XR5 is 9 elements.

Vic 4X6GP 

> On 20 May 2017, at 23:28, Joe Subich, W4TV <lists at subich.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> > Why do you think it will "significantly outperform the hex beams?"
> 
> Based on the performance data (K7LXC/N0AX) for the original Force 12
> C3 and TH11 with comparisons of the broadband Hexbeam and the TH11.
> The K7LXC/N0AX field data shows the C3 outperforming the TH11 while
> G3TXQ's web page <http://www.karinya.net/g3txq/hexbeam/broadband/>
> shows the TH11 with approximately 3 dB advantage over the broadband
> hexbeam.
> 
>> I wouldn't say an 11 element yagi with capacity hats on the elements
> > has an especially low visual profile!
> 
> Neither the XR5 nor the Navassa 5 has 11 elements *or* capacity hats.
> The XR5 is a 9-element antenna and the Navassa 5 has 10 elements as
> documented in the two links I provided.
> 
> 73,
> 
>   ... Joe, W4TV
> 
> 
>> On 5/20/2017 3:34 PM, Vic Rosenthal wrote:
>> Why do you think it will "significantly outperform the hex beams?"
>> The point about uv is well taken re fiberglass, but I don't know what the cords on all the hexbeam versions are made of. There are uv resistant materials available.
>> I wouldn't say an 11 element yagi with capacity hats on the elements has an especially low visual profile!
>> 
>> Vic 4X6GP
>> 
>>> On 20 May 2017, at 19:36, Joe Subich, W4TV <lists at subich.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> On 5/20/2017 11:32 AM, Terry Brown wrote:
>>>> These beams are not cheap,  I don't want to be taking the beam down
>>>> and replacing main structural components every 5 yrs.
>>>> 
>>>> Can anyone with a hex beam comment on this?
>>> 
>>> Your concerns are well placed with antennas made of fiberglass and
>>> dacron/kevlar cords.
>>> 
>>> Instead of a hexbeam, I would recommend looking at the Innovantennas
>>> XR5T: <http://innovantennas.com/antennas-a-accesories/on-line-shop/view/productdetails/virtuemart_product_id/435/virtuemart_category_id/55.html>,
>>> or the JK Antennas Navassa 5:
>>> <https://jkantennas.com/jk-navassa-5.html>
>>> 
>>> Both have boom lengths of 12 feet or less, cover 20 - 10 meters and
>>> have optional 6 meter add-ons.  Either should significantly out
>>> perform the hex beams and - since they are aluminum antennas that do
>>> not use UV sensitive fiberglass, kevlar and dacron components - should
>>> significantly outlast the hexbeam with significantly less maintenance.
>>> 
>>> 73,
>>> 
>>>  ... Joe, W4TV
>>>> 
>> 

From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Sun May 21 01:18:03 2017
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Sat, 20 May 2017 22:18:03 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Beam antenna question
In-Reply-To: <33683308-050c-1435-b640-056c4f8ec795@gmail.com>
References: <B1219C5B-179F-4E19-A841-E705EA120A8E@mchsi.com>
	<9b2e9bbe-b93b-ef09-c8ac-b28e873e0e7f@gmail.com>
	<DM5PR1601MB1210C6FB20670D8038AC21C1BFFA0@DM5PR1601MB1210.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
	<00579C7F-C042-4E5F-AB69-0EB6975D6FD4@comcast.net>
	<f1509664-d3a1-707c-b535-1359d09a4456@subich.com>
	<33683308-050c-1435-b640-056c4f8ec795@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1f8396de-2fa1-1ffa-cac6-313f23ca27ae@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On Sat,5/20/2017 9:14 PM, Igor Sokolov wrote:
> Reality sometimes differ from calculations. 

When that happens, the person doing the calculating has not correctly 
formed the equation to define the problem, or doesn't know how to 
calculate. :)

I've done a lot of modeling using NEC, and every antenna I've built has 
performed as the calculations predicted -- unless I screwed up the 
model. Likewise, in my professional life, I did a lot of careful 
modeling of sound systems I designed, and when I got the model right and 
built what I modeled, the system worked as predicted.

Brown's first law -- "if you think there's a difference between theory 
and practice, you don't know enough about one or the other." In other 
words, there were variables that you didn't consider or know about, like 
terrain, ground conductivity, mounting height, propagation, loss in 
matching or coupling methods, loss in traps, etc.

73, Jim K9YC


From kevinr at coho.net  Sun May 21 01:44:06 2017
From: kevinr at coho.net (kevinr at coho.net)
Date: Sat, 20 May 2017 22:44:06 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Announcement
Message-ID: <b08430b2-6461-0250-09a7-fc3afbe9a711@coho.net>

Good Evening,

Spring, with a few sunny days, has brought flowers, birds, and the 
biting flies.  This year's crop of no-see-ums is vicious. I get about 
thirty seconds outside before they start burrowing into the corners of 
my eyes.  Uck!  Anyone from Alaska or Canada know any remedies?

    HF has not been very productive recently.  But today there was a 6 
meter opening which worked its way from East Coast to West Coast.  I 
would copy a call sign and then they would disappear.  But then there 
was the next one to chase.  The QSB sounds different on that band if 
that is possible.

Please join us tomorrow on:

    14050 kHz at 2200z Sunday (3 PM PDT Sunday)
     7045 kHz at 0000z Monday (5 PM PDT Sunday)

     73,
         Kevin. KD5ONS

-


From lists at subich.com  Sun May 21 07:59:01 2017
From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV)
Date: Sun, 21 May 2017 07:59:01 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Beam antenna question
In-Reply-To: <A3D23C22-7898-4268-88F1-D0164F9A82ED@gmail.com>
References: <B1219C5B-179F-4E19-A841-E705EA120A8E@mchsi.com>
	<9b2e9bbe-b93b-ef09-c8ac-b28e873e0e7f@gmail.com>
	<DM5PR1601MB1210C6FB20670D8038AC21C1BFFA0@DM5PR1601MB1210.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
	<00579C7F-C042-4E5F-AB69-0EB6975D6FD4@comcast.net>
	<f1509664-d3a1-707c-b535-1359d09a4456@subich.com>
	<ABD2ECC9-ABB0-4436-AB4A-C64F6DC1B9F3@gmail.com>
	<b04a506e-ee1f-d109-677d-000394f5c67d@subich.com>
	<A3D23C22-7898-4268-88F1-D0164F9A82ED@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d12a63f9-cff3-aa54-e5ac-8336a624c273@subich.com>

On 5/21/2017 12:45 AM, Vic Rosenthal wrote:
> The TH11DXX that G3TXQ compares to the Hexbeam has at least 3 
> elements on each band and is a modern design, no traps.
The TH11 has driven elements for 12, 17, 15, 12 and 10 (2) with
reflectors for 20 and 17 and trapped directors for 10, 15 and 20.
Element spacing is nowhere near optimum and, other than the DE,
any 12 meter performance is nearly accidental.

> If someone found that the C3 (2 el on each band) outperformed it, I
> would be very suspicious that something was wrong with the sample
> tested.
You are welcome to argue with K7LXC/N0AX but their testing protocol
is well documented and they do not indicate any abnormal behavior
in the tested TH11 where they do note issues with other antennas.

73,

    ... Joe, W4TV


On 5/21/2017 12:45 AM, Vic Rosenthal wrote:
> The TH11DXX that G3TXQ compares to the Hexbeam has at least 3 elements on each band and is a modern design, no traps. If someone found that the C3 (2 el on each band) outperformed it, I would be very suspicious that something was wrong with the sample tested.
> I did look at the wrong picture and you are correct that the XR5 is 9 elements.
> 
> Vic 4X6GP
> 
>> On 20 May 2017, at 23:28, Joe Subich, W4TV <lists at subich.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Why do you think it will "significantly outperform the hex beams?"
>>
>> Based on the performance data (K7LXC/N0AX) for the original Force 12
>> C3 and TH11 with comparisons of the broadband Hexbeam and the TH11.
>> The K7LXC/N0AX field data shows the C3 outperforming the TH11 while
>> G3TXQ's web page <http://www.karinya.net/g3txq/hexbeam/broadband/>
>> shows the TH11 with approximately 3 dB advantage over the broadband
>> hexbeam.
>>
>>> I wouldn't say an 11 element yagi with capacity hats on the elements
>>> has an especially low visual profile!
>>
>> Neither the XR5 nor the Navassa 5 has 11 elements *or* capacity hats.
>> The XR5 is a 9-element antenna and the Navassa 5 has 10 elements as
>> documented in the two links I provided.
>>
>> 73,
>>
>>    ... Joe, W4TV
>>
>>
>>> On 5/20/2017 3:34 PM, Vic Rosenthal wrote:
>>> Why do you think it will "significantly outperform the hex beams?"
>>> The point about uv is well taken re fiberglass, but I don't know what the cords on all the hexbeam versions are made of. There are uv resistant materials available.
>>> I wouldn't say an 11 element yagi with capacity hats on the elements has an especially low visual profile!
>>>
>>> Vic 4X6GP
>>>
>>>> On 20 May 2017, at 19:36, Joe Subich, W4TV <lists at subich.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On 5/20/2017 11:32 AM, Terry Brown wrote:
>>>>> These beams are not cheap,  I don't want to be taking the beam down
>>>>> and replacing main structural components every 5 yrs.
>>>>>
>>>>> Can anyone with a hex beam comment on this?
>>>>
>>>> Your concerns are well placed with antennas made of fiberglass and
>>>> dacron/kevlar cords.
>>>>
>>>> Instead of a hexbeam, I would recommend looking at the Innovantennas
>>>> XR5T: <http://innovantennas.com/antennas-a-accesories/on-line-shop/view/productdetails/virtuemart_product_id/435/virtuemart_category_id/55.html>,
>>>> or the JK Antennas Navassa 5:
>>>> <https://jkantennas.com/jk-navassa-5.html>
>>>>
>>>> Both have boom lengths of 12 feet or less, cover 20 - 10 meters and
>>>> have optional 6 meter add-ons.  Either should significantly out
>>>> perform the hex beams and - since they are aluminum antennas that do
>>>> not use UV sensitive fiberglass, kevlar and dacron components - should
>>>> significantly outlast the hexbeam with significantly less maintenance.
>>>>
>>>> 73,
>>>>
>>>>   ... Joe, W4TV
>>>>>
>>>
> 

From w3tb.ted at gmail.com  Sun May 21 08:48:57 2017
From: w3tb.ted at gmail.com (Ted Edwards W3TB)
Date: Sun, 21 May 2017 08:48:57 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Beam antenna question
In-Reply-To: <d12a63f9-cff3-aa54-e5ac-8336a624c273@subich.com>
References: <B1219C5B-179F-4E19-A841-E705EA120A8E@mchsi.com>
	<9b2e9bbe-b93b-ef09-c8ac-b28e873e0e7f@gmail.com>
	<DM5PR1601MB1210C6FB20670D8038AC21C1BFFA0@DM5PR1601MB1210.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
	<00579C7F-C042-4E5F-AB69-0EB6975D6FD4@comcast.net>
	<f1509664-d3a1-707c-b535-1359d09a4456@subich.com>
	<ABD2ECC9-ABB0-4436-AB4A-C64F6DC1B9F3@gmail.com>
	<b04a506e-ee1f-d109-677d-000394f5c67d@subich.com>
	<A3D23C22-7898-4268-88F1-D0164F9A82ED@gmail.com>
	<d12a63f9-cff3-aa54-e5ac-8336a624c273@subich.com>
Message-ID: <CAGhFmThXUvcV7GAaA5w75=xiKazEbRafZbXyc4n57yX1=yA1kw@mail.gmail.com>

I really appreciate the answers to my question about further disguising the
Hex from neighbors -- thanks for those.

On Sun, May 21, 2017 at 7:59 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV <lists at subich.com> wrote:

> On 5/21/2017 12:45 AM, Vic Rosenthal wrote:
>
>> The TH11DXX that G3TXQ compares to the Hexbeam has at least 3 elements on
>> each band and is a modern design, no traps.
>>
> The TH11 has driven elements for 12, 17, 15, 12 and 10 (2) with
> reflectors for 20 and 17 and trapped directors for 10, 15 and 20.
> Element spacing is nowhere near optimum and, other than the DE,
> any 12 meter performance is nearly accidental.
>
> If someone found that the C3 (2 el on each band) outperformed it, I
>> would be very suspicious that something was wrong with the sample
>> tested.
>>
> You are welcome to argue with K7LXC/N0AX but their testing protocol
> is well documented and they do not indicate any abnormal behavior
> in the tested TH11 where they do note issues with other antennas.
>
> 73,
>
>    ... Joe, W4TV
>
>
>
> On 5/21/2017 12:45 AM, Vic Rosenthal wrote:
>
>> The TH11DXX that G3TXQ compares to the Hexbeam has at least 3 elements on
>> each band and is a modern design, no traps. If someone found that the C3 (2
>> el on each band) outperformed it, I would be very suspicious that something
>> was wrong with the sample tested.
>> I did look at the wrong picture and you are correct that the XR5 is 9
>> elements.
>>
>> Vic 4X6GP
>>
>> On 20 May 2017, at 23:28, Joe Subich, W4TV <lists at subich.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Why do you think it will "significantly outperform the hex beams?"
>>>>
>>>
>>> Based on the performance data (K7LXC/N0AX) for the original Force 12
>>> C3 and TH11 with comparisons of the broadband Hexbeam and the TH11.
>>> The K7LXC/N0AX field data shows the C3 outperforming the TH11 while
>>> G3TXQ's web page <http://www.karinya.net/g3txq/hexbeam/broadband/>
>>> shows the TH11 with approximately 3 dB advantage over the broadband
>>> hexbeam.
>>>
>>> I wouldn't say an 11 element yagi with capacity hats on the elements
>>>> has an especially low visual profile!
>>>>
>>>
>>> Neither the XR5 nor the Navassa 5 has 11 elements *or* capacity hats.
>>> The XR5 is a 9-element antenna and the Navassa 5 has 10 elements as
>>> documented in the two links I provided.
>>>
>>> 73,
>>>
>>>    ... Joe, W4TV
>>>
>>>
>>> On 5/20/2017 3:34 PM, Vic Rosenthal wrote:
>>>> Why do you think it will "significantly outperform the hex beams?"
>>>> The point about uv is well taken re fiberglass, but I don't know what
>>>> the cords on all the hexbeam versions are made of. There are uv resistant
>>>> materials available.
>>>> I wouldn't say an 11 element yagi with capacity hats on the elements
>>>> has an especially low visual profile!
>>>>
>>>> Vic 4X6GP
>>>>
>>>> On 20 May 2017, at 19:36, Joe Subich, W4TV <lists at subich.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> On 5/20/2017 11:32 AM, Terry Brown wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> These beams are not cheap,  I don't want to be taking the beam down
>>>>>> and replacing main structural components every 5 yrs.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Can anyone with a hex beam comment on this?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Your concerns are well placed with antennas made of fiberglass and
>>>>> dacron/kevlar cords.
>>>>>
>>>>> Instead of a hexbeam, I would recommend looking at the Innovantennas
>>>>> XR5T: <http://innovantennas.com/antennas-a-accesories/on-line-shop
>>>>> /view/productdetails/virtuemart_product_id/435/virtuemart_
>>>>> category_id/55.html>,
>>>>> or the JK Antennas Navassa 5:
>>>>> <https://jkantennas.com/jk-navassa-5.html>
>>>>>
>>>>> Both have boom lengths of 12 feet or less, cover 20 - 10 meters and
>>>>> have optional 6 meter add-ons.  Either should significantly out
>>>>> perform the hex beams and - since they are aluminum antennas that do
>>>>> not use UV sensitive fiberglass, kevlar and dacron components - should
>>>>> significantly outlast the hexbeam with significantly less maintenance.
>>>>>
>>>>> 73,
>>>>>
>>>>>   ... Joe, W4TV
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>> ______________________________________________________________
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-- 
73 de Ted Edwards, W3TB and G?PWW

and thinking about operating CW:
"Do today what others won't,
so you can do tomorrow what others can't."

From gwwa5uih at hotmail.com  Sun May 21 11:26:29 2017
From: gwwa5uih at hotmail.com (George Winship, NC5G)
Date: Sun, 21 May 2017 08:26:29 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] K2/100 overheating?
In-Reply-To: <caf8e0e3-f0d0-c5b1-98a8-86193cc5b176@embarqmail.com>
References: <852559271.1793260.1495195271738@mail.yahoo.com>
	<caf8e0e3-f0d0-c5b1-98a8-86193cc5b176@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <1495380389901-7630883.post@n2.nabble.com>

Interesting. I built my K2/100 about 17 years ago and the fan has always
drawn air into the cabinet and exhausted over the heatsink. So, I rechecked
the manual and disassembled my rig to check for proper assembly. Fan label
is facing out and wires are soldered to the right pads(red=+, black=-). Was
there maybe a change in later models? 

73, George 



Make certain the fan is mounted with the label out and that the red wire 
is in the +hole and the black one in the -hole.
The fan should exhaust the hot air.  Cooler air flows in at the front of 
the heatsink.







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From cbjesseeNH at comcast.net  Sun May 21 12:35:16 2017
From: cbjesseeNH at comcast.net (MaverickNH)
Date: Sun, 21 May 2017 09:35:16 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] [KX2] MFJ-1840T Whip Counterpoise Adjustment
Message-ID: <1495384516689-7630884.post@n2.nabble.com>

I've read some prior posts but don't quite see what I'm after. I'll use a
MFJ-1840T 40m Whip on my KX2 in HT format, and have a 30ft length of 18g
stranded copper wire with the min-banana plug soldered to it to use as a
counterpoise. I have some 20g wire on order - with Radio Shack all but gone
there is no "local" for such bits and pieces anymore :-(

The MFJ manual says 25'9" counterpoise length for bottom of band, which is
off from the 1/4WL for 40m of 33'5". I assume the 25'9" is based on
experimental data?

Based on the 1/4WL calculation there is about 1'5" counterpoise length
difference top-to-bottom on the 40m band, so I'm figuring that might be up
to 26'2" for the MFJ-1840T Whip.

What's a good way to start long and adjust shorter as needed - can I just
coil the excess length?

Bret/N4SRN



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From pgraitc at me.com  Sun May 21 13:03:46 2017
From: pgraitc at me.com (PHILIP GRAITCER)
Date: Sun, 21 May 2017 13:03:46 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Finding an RS-232 port on the K3
Message-ID: <78B514AD-2C5F-4A37-AA10-408612D2A296@me.com>

I have a K3, that has been upgraded with the addition of a KIO3B. I have a USB cable going from the K3 to my computer, and the RS-232 RJ45 jack has the Elecraft Y-type cable going from it to both connections on the P3.

I have a Microbit AS-1289, web based antenna switch with an RS-232 output. The manufacturer says that if I connect up this output to the K3 RS-232 port, the antenna switch will automatically follow the transceiver bandswitching. That would eliminate my need for manually switching the switch on the web. (I am in the process of remoting the station using remotehams.)

Has anyone on the list had experience creating a Y cable for the RS-232? Or is there some other solution? I had thought about using the AUX connector on the K3 for the band change signals, however, the manufacturer says what I need is an RS-232.


Phil, W3HZZ




From alhanzl at comcast.net  Sun May 21 13:16:20 2017
From: alhanzl at comcast.net (Al Hanzl)
Date: Sun, 21 May 2017 13:16:20 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Beam antenna
In-Reply-To: <mailman.38930.1495340105.7384.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
References: <mailman.38930.1495340105.7384.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID: <65F4F51A-C0DC-4F5E-9621-8C751E0F6603@comcast.net>

Maybe worth looking into Mosley mini beams if weight or wind load an issue. 
I installed one last year. 
I have enjoyed the results but antennas can turn into a religious argument. 
I have limited backyard space so I needed to compromise. Mine is on top of a 33' telescoping aluminum mast attached to the side of the house. Rotator at base. 
The 4 element beam (3 elements on 10-15-20 and dipole for 12 and 17) weighs less than 16 lbs on 6 foot boom. I liked the idea of 5 band coverage. 
It's performs far better than my R7 but have not compared it to a hex beam. 
I have heard good things about hex beams but was bit concerned about potential maintenance issues. 
I do not run it on high power. So if you are QRO I would not recommend it. 
Just my 2 cents. 
Al
K2AL
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>   3. Re: Beam antenna question (Benny Aumala)
>   4. Hex Beam (Dauer, Edward)
>   5. Re: Hex Beam (W0MU Mike Fatchett)
>   6. Dayton Hamvention 2017 (Joe Stone (KF5WBO))
>   7. Re: Beam antenna question (Richard Fjeld)
>   8. Re: Beam antenna question (Terry Brown)
>   9. Re: Beam antenna question (Joe Subich, W4TV)
>  10. Re: Beam antenna question (Phil Hystad)
>  11. Re: Beam antenna question (Ron D'Eau Claire)
>  12. Re: Beam antenna question (John Nogatch)
>  13. Re: Beam antenna question (Vic Rosenthal)
>  14. Re: Beam antenna question (Ron D'Eau Claire)
>  15. Re: Beam antenna question (Joe Subich, W4TV)
>  16. Weighted CNC Knobs for K3 (w4sc)
>  17. Y box excess to my needs (w4sc)
>  18. Re: Dayton Hamvention 2017 (Wayne Burdick)
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>  22. Tuneup, Rescue, Build your K2, K1, KX1, others (Alan D. Wilcox)
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>  24. Re: Beam antenna question (Igor Sokolov)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sat, 20 May 2017 06:42:29 -0400
> From: Ted Edwards W3TB <w3tb.ted at gmail.com>
> To: ua9cdc at gmail.com
> Cc: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Beam antenna question
> Message-ID:
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
> 
> The low visual profile is helpful to keep the neighbors from noticing.
> I wonder whether anybody has done anything else to minimize the visual
> impact even further line a non-metallic spray paint.
> Thanks ahead of time, good folks.
> 
>> On Sat, May 20, 2017 at 5:33 AM, Igor Sokolov <ua9cdc at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Terry,
>> 
>> As many others mentioned? Hex beam is the best choise. I have 3 of them
>> made by EU manufacturers (very good quality). And one of them (
>> www.foldinganteannas.com) is even foldable and very light weight.
>> 
>> You may also look for MW0JZE Hex. he also makes light version. Do not mess
>> with Al antennas. Hex Beam is much better and easier for portable operation.
>> 
>> 
>> 73, Igor UA9CDC
>> 
>> 
>> 20.05.2017 8:48, Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP ?????:
>> 
>>> I used the K4KIO hexbeam on Field Day -- it was very easy to assemble
>>> and the parts were high quality. It is also visually low-profile. I would
>>> recommend it. I don't have any experience with the TA33 Jr. but my guess is
>>> that there are a lot more things that can go wrong with all those traps.
>>> 
>>> The hexbeam will have gain on WARC bands as well as 10-15-20. My
>>> experience is that with conditions as they are today, 17m is VERY important
>>> (so is 30, for that matter) for DXing.
>>> 
>>> I have a rotatable dipole and yes, it definitely does help a lot to
>>> rotate it! But it isn't a beam.
>>> 
>>> 73,
>>> Victor, 4X6GP
>>> Rehovot, Israel
>>> Formerly K2VCO
>>> http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/
>>> 
>>>> On 20 May 2017 03:02, David Christ wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> For a small footprint it is hard to beat the K4KIO hexagonal beam.  I
>>>> have one and it works well but a better testimonial is a ham about 10
>>>> blocks away with the same antenna and he is on DXCC Honor  Roll.
>>>> hight is about 35 feet.  No tuner needed and all bands 20 through 10
>>>> plus six if you want it.
>>>> 
>>>> Just a satisfied customer
>>>> 
>>>> David K0LUM
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On May 19, 2017, at 7:40 PM, Terry Brown <n7tb at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I apologize that this is not a direct Elecraft equipment question,
>>>>> but having the K2, KX2, KX3, PX3 and KXPA100, I thought I would
>>>>> ask.  I will be moving to a new QTH.  I just took down an old
>>>>> Cushcraft ATB-34, on a 50 ft. tower.  It was the predecessor to the
>>>>> A4.  I need a beam with a smaller footprint.  I am looking at the
>>>>> Mosley TA 33-JR.    My other antenna will be a multi-band doublet
>>>>> fed with 450 window line, so it will be able to work the WARC
>>>>> bands, however, the apex will only be about 25 ft. high, about
>>>>> roof level,  so it will mostly be a cloud burner, but great for my
>>>>> local CW skeds on 80 and 40.  My beam will be at 32-35 ft; 8 ft.
>>>>> above my roofline to the east.  My QTH will be high on a hill
>>>>> facing the east.  With that background, here is the question:
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> If I were to order the Mosley TA33-JR-N-WARC,  with the WARC bands
>>>>> included, even though they will have zero gain, will the ability to
>>>>> rotate the beam make the reception of the 12 and 17 meter bands
>>>>> better in all other directions than the orientation of my doublet?
>>>>> My intuition says yes, but I thought I would ask.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Also, I know that longer length antennas for a given band usually
>>>>> perform better than a trapped antenna, but I would think that my
>>>>> low height doublet will not be as effective as a WARC beam. My
>>>>> doublet will be just at the height of my house and drop to 10 foot
>>>>> poles on the NW and SW lot corners.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> I hated to give up my 50 ft. tower and beam, and my 80 meter
>>>>> horizontal loop at 40 ft., but sometimes compromises have to be
>>>>> made.   Being primarily a CW op will help some.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Any advice would be really appreciated!
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Very 73's,
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Terry de N7TB
>>>>> 
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> I have that kind of neighbor hood, so I painted the spreaders grey, and the mast and cables grey, to match the garage and  the too  frequent midwestern sky, put  the mast base and rotor inside the garage,  so the hex just kinds blooms about 10 foot over the roof.  
> 
> With the rotor and base hidden, most people don't notice unless I point it out.
> 
> Good luck, Scott ka9p
> 
> Make something good happen!
> 
>> On May 20, 2017, at 6:42 AM, Ted Edwards W3TB <w3tb.ted at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> The low visual profile is helpful to keep the neighbors from noticing.
>> I wonder whether anybody has done anything else to minimize the visual
>> impact even further line a non-metallic spray paint.
>> Thanks ahead of time, good folks.
>> 
>>> On Sat, May 20, 2017 at 5:33 AM, Igor Sokolov <ua9cdc at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Terry,
>>> 
>>> As many others mentioned? Hex beam is the best choise. I have 3 of them
>>> made by EU manufacturers (very good quality). And one of them (
>>> www.foldinganteannas.com) is even foldable and very light weight.
>>> 
>>> You may also look for MW0JZE Hex. he also makes light version. Do not mess
>>> with Al antennas. Hex Beam is much better and easier for portable operation.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 73, Igor UA9CDC
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 20.05.2017 8:48, Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP ?????:
>>> 
>>>> I used the K4KIO hexbeam on Field Day -- it was very easy to assemble
>>>> and the parts were high quality. It is also visually low-profile. I would
>>>> recommend it. I don't have any experience with the TA33 Jr. but my guess is
>>>> that there are a lot more things that can go wrong with all those traps.
>>>> 
>>>> The hexbeam will have gain on WARC bands as well as 10-15-20. My
>>>> experience is that with conditions as they are today, 17m is VERY important
>>>> (so is 30, for that matter) for DXing.
>>>> 
>>>> I have a rotatable dipole and yes, it definitely does help a lot to
>>>> rotate it! But it isn't a beam.
>>>> 
>>>> 73,
>>>> Victor, 4X6GP
>>>> Rehovot, Israel
>>>> Formerly K2VCO
>>>> http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/
>>>> 
>>>>> On 20 May 2017 03:02, David Christ wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> For a small footprint it is hard to beat the K4KIO hexagonal beam.  I
>>>>> have one and it works well but a better testimonial is a ham about 10
>>>>> blocks away with the same antenna and he is on DXCC Honor  Roll.
>>>>> hight is about 35 feet.  No tuner needed and all bands 20 through 10
>>>>> plus six if you want it.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Just a satisfied customer
>>>>> 
>>>>> David K0LUM
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On May 19, 2017, at 7:40 PM, Terry Brown <n7tb at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I apologize that this is not a direct Elecraft equipment question,
>>>>>> but having the K2, KX2, KX3, PX3 and KXPA100, I thought I would
>>>>>> ask.  I will be moving to a new QTH.  I just took down an old
>>>>>> Cushcraft ATB-34, on a 50 ft. tower.  It was the predecessor to the
>>>>>> A4.  I need a beam with a smaller footprint.  I am looking at the
>>>>>> Mosley TA 33-JR.    My other antenna will be a multi-band doublet
>>>>>> fed with 450 window line, so it will be able to work the WARC
>>>>>> bands, however, the apex will only be about 25 ft. high, about
>>>>>> roof level,  so it will mostly be a cloud burner, but great for my
>>>>>> local CW skeds on 80 and 40.  My beam will be at 32-35 ft; 8 ft.
>>>>>> above my roofline to the east.  My QTH will be high on a hill
>>>>>> facing the east.  With that background, here is the question:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> If I were to order the Mosley TA33-JR-N-WARC,  with the WARC bands
>>>>>> included, even though they will have zero gain, will the ability to
>>>>>> rotate the beam make the reception of the 12 and 17 meter bands
>>>>>> better in all other directions than the orientation of my doublet?
>>>>>> My intuition says yes, but I thought I would ask.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Also, I know that longer length antennas for a given band usually
>>>>>> perform better than a trapped antenna, but I would think that my
>>>>>> low height doublet will not be as effective as a WARC beam. My
>>>>>> doublet will be just at the height of my house and drop to 10 foot
>>>>>> poles on the NW and SW lot corners.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I hated to give up my 50 ft. tower and beam, and my 80 meter
>>>>>> horizontal loop at 40 ft., but sometimes compromises have to be
>>>>>> made.   Being primarily a CW op will help some.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Any advice would be really appreciated!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Very 73's,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Terry de N7TB
>>>>>> 
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>> -- 
>> 73 de Ted Edwards, W3TB and G?PWW
>> 
>> and thinking about operating CW:
>> "Do today what others won't,
>> so you can do tomorrow what others can't."
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> Message: 3
> Date: Sat, 20 May 2017 15:26:08 +0300
> From: Benny Aumala <benny.aumala at gmail.com>
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Beam antenna question
> Message-ID: <6d783ffb-36e1-e1f4-9548-c60a8ed543d5 at gmail.com>
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> Terry,
> 
> Look at the footprint of  UB20MX
> 
> http://www.ultrabeam.it/site/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=54&Itemid=18&lang=en
> 
> Benny    OH9NB
> 
> 
> ---
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> https://www.avast.com/antivirus
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> 
> Message: 4
> Date: Sat, 20 May 2017 14:05:43 +0000
> From: "Dauer, Edward" <edauer at law.du.edu>
> To: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: [Elecraft] Hex Beam
> Message-ID: <A4182BF7-AE4C-4D1A-AD3F-84E00F8152D2 at law.du.edu>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> 
> Recent posts on the hex beam sent me off to look further into it.  I found what I think is an  excellent discussion at http://www.karinya.net/g3txq/hexbeam/ 
> 
> Anyone know a source for support construction notes or ideas for a portable application?
> 
> Ted, KN1CBR
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 5
> Date: Sat, 20 May 2017 08:13:35 -0600
> From: W0MU Mike Fatchett <w0mu at w0mu.com>
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Hex Beam
> Message-ID: <ed46b44e-9758-fb64-cdc5-f38b86593062 at w0mu.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
> 
> I have used the K4KIO Hex beam on two DX-peditions, one to J6 and one to 
> V3.  It fits inside a hard sided golf club carrier perfectly.   They are 
> easy to put together and pretty light.  I compared the Hex beam to a 2 
> ele SteppIR and could not really tell any difference.
> 
> k4kio.com
> 
> W0MU
> 
> 
>> On 5/20/2017 8:05 AM, Dauer, Edward wrote:
>> Recent posts on the hex beam sent me off to look further into it.  I found what I think is an  excellent discussion at http://www.karinya.net/g3txq/hexbeam/
>> 
>> Anyone know a source for support construction notes or ideas for a portable application?
>> 
>> Ted, KN1CBR
>> 
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> Message: 6
> Date: Sat, 20 May 2017 07:41:54 -0700 (MST)
> From: "Joe Stone (KF5WBO)" <kf5wbo at wickedbeernut.com>
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [Elecraft] Dayton Hamvention 2017
> Message-ID: <1495291314880-7630859.post at n2.nabble.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> 
> What did Elecraft debut at Hamvention?
> 
> 
> 
> --
> View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Dayton-Hamvention-2017-tp7630859.html
> Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 7
> Date: Sat, 20 May 2017 15:07:03 +0000
> From: Richard Fjeld <rpfjeld at outlook.com>
> To: Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP <k2vco.vic at gmail.com>,
>    "elecraft at mailman.qth.net"    <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>, Terry Brown
>    <n7tb at comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Beam antenna question
> Message-ID:
>    <DM5PR1601MB1210C6FB20670D8038AC21C1BFFA0 at DM5PR1601MB1210.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
>    
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> 
> I had a TA33Jr back in the 70?s when the sun cycle was good.  I had a Ten-Tec Argonaut QRP rig and worked a lot of DX with it BUT conditions were very good.  Note is was only for three bands.
> 
> I second what Vic is saying, though I am speaking about hex beams in general.  Hex beams are a good solution at times. I have talked to many who were using them.  Vic?s comment about ?low profile? can be  important. I have heard people say their neighbors were not aware it was a ham radio antenna. I have also read they only need to be up about 20 feet high. They are said to be good in the wind. (Maybe all this has been mentioned)
> 
> Rich, n0ce
> 
> From: Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP<mailto:k2vco.vic at gmail.com>
> Sent: Friday, May 19, 2017 10:49 PM
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net<mailto:elecraft at mailman.qth.net>; Terry Brown<mailto:n7tb at comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Beam antenna question
> 
> I used the K4KIO hexbeam on Field Day -- it was very easy to assemble
> and the parts were high quality. It is also visually low-profile. I
> would recommend it. I don't have any experience with the TA33 Jr. but my
> guess is that there are a lot more things that can go wrong with all
> those traps.
> 
> The hexbeam will have gain on WARC bands as well as 10-15-20. My
> experience is that with conditions as they are today, 17m is VERY
> important (so is 30, for that matter) for DXing.
> 
> I have a rotatable dipole and yes, it definitely does help a lot to
> rotate it! But it isn't a beam.
> 
> 73,
> Victor, 4X6GP
> Rehovot, Israel
> Formerly K2VCO
> http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 8
> Date: Sat, 20 May 2017 08:32:53 -0700
> From: Terry Brown <n7tb at comcast.net>
> To: Richard Fjeld <rpfjeld at outlook.com>
> Cc: Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP <k2vco.vic at gmail.com>,
>    "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Beam antenna question
> Message-ID: <00579C7F-C042-4E5F-AB69-0EB6975D6FD4 at comcast.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset=utf-8
> 
> I really appreciate all the comments.  I do have a follow up question:
> 
> An aluminum beam can be left up for years. I was reading one review of a particular hex beam and the poster said that after 4 years,  the cords holding the beam together had become brittle and started to fail from UV exposure and the main support members had deteriorated for same reason. 
> 
> These beams are not cheap,  I don't want to be taking the beam down and replacing main structural components every 5 yrs.
> 
> Can anyone with a hex beam comment on this?
> 
> Thanks, Terry
> 
>> On May 20, 2017, at 8:07 AM, Richard Fjeld <rpfjeld at outlook.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I had a TA33Jr back in the 70?s when the sun cycle was good.  I had a Ten-Tec Argonaut QRP rig and worked a lot of DX with it BUT conditions were very good.  Note is was only for three bands.
>> 
>> I second what Vic is saying, though I am speaking about hex beams in general.  Hex beams are a good solution at times. I have talked to many who were using them.  Vic?s comment about ?low profile? can be  important. I have heard people say their neighbors were not aware it was a ham radio antenna. I have also read they only need to be up about 20 feet high. They are said to be good in the wind. (Maybe all this has been mentioned)
>> 
>> Rich, n0ce
>> 
>> From: Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP
>> Sent: Friday, May 19, 2017 10:49 PM
>> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net; Terry Brown
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Beam antenna question
>> 
>> I used the K4KIO hexbeam on Field Day -- it was very easy to assemble
>> and the parts were high quality. It is also visually low-profile. I 
>> would recommend it. I don't have any experience with the TA33 Jr. but my 
>> guess is that there are a lot more things that can go wrong with all 
>> those traps.
>> 
>> The hexbeam will have gain on WARC bands as well as 10-15-20. My 
>> experience is that with conditions as they are today, 17m is VERY 
>> important (so is 30, for that matter) for DXing.
>> 
>> I have a rotatable dipole and yes, it definitely does help a lot to 
>> rotate it! But it isn't a beam.
>> 
>> 73,
>> Victor, 4X6GP
>> Rehovot, Israel
>> Formerly K2VCO
>> http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/
>> 
>> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 9
> Date: Sat, 20 May 2017 12:36:37 -0400
> From: "Joe Subich, W4TV" <lists at subich.com>
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Beam antenna question
> Message-ID: <f1509664-d3a1-707c-b535-1359d09a4456 at subich.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
> 
>> On 5/20/2017 11:32 AM, Terry Brown wrote:
>> These beams are not cheap,  I don't want to be taking the beam down
>> and replacing main structural components every 5 yrs.
>> 
>> Can anyone with a hex beam comment on this?
> 
> Your concerns are well placed with antennas made of fiberglass and
> dacron/kevlar cords.
> 
> Instead of a hexbeam, I would recommend looking at the Innovantennas
> XR5T: 
> <http://innovantennas.com/antennas-a-accesories/on-line-shop/view/productdetails/virtuemart_product_id/435/virtuemart_category_id/55.html>, 
> 
> or the JK Antennas Navassa 5:
> <https://jkantennas.com/jk-navassa-5.html>
> 
> Both have boom lengths of 12 feet or less, cover 20 - 10 meters and
> have optional 6 meter add-ons.  Either should significantly out
> perform the hex beams and - since they are aluminum antennas that do
> not use UV sensitive fiberglass, kevlar and dacron components - should
> significantly outlast the hexbeam with significantly less maintenance.
> 
> 73,
> 
>    ... Joe, W4TV
> 
> 
>> On 5/20/2017 11:32 AM, Terry Brown wrote:
>> I really appreciate all the comments.  I do have a follow up
>> question:
>> 
>> An aluminum beam can be left up for years. I was reading one review
>> of a particular hex beam and the poster said that after 4 years,  the
>> cords holding the beam together had become brittle and started to
>> fail from UV exposure and the main support members had deteriorated
>> for same reason.
>> 
>> These beams are not cheap,  I don't want to be taking the beam down
>> and replacing main structural components every 5 yrs.
>> 
>> Can anyone with a hex beam comment on this?
>> 
>> Thanks, Terry
>> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 10
> Date: Sat, 20 May 2017 10:45:23 -0700
> From: Phil Hystad <phystad at mac.com>
> To: Terry Brown <n7tb at comcast.net>
> Cc: Richard Fjeld <rpfjeld at outlook.com>,    Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP
>    <k2vco.vic at gmail.com>,    "elecraft at mailman.qth.net"
>    <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Beam antenna question
> Message-ID: <84B1CBC9-2929-493D-BEB5-1C55E141010A at mac.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
> 
> I have a Traffie Hexbeam (Traffie retired and the company is no longer in business) and it has been up for about 12 years.  My last check of the elements, coaxial connection and so on showed no problems what-so-ever.  Operating performance seems to be just as good today as when it first went up in 2005.  Weather has been rain (mostly), sun with high temperatures reaching into the 90s usually in August (one recorded day at 103 though), and snow once or twice a year but the snow never lasts for more than a day or two at most on the antenna.
> 
> I am not sure about other vendor?s versions of the Hexbeam but mine has been a worthy contender in the battle with weather.
> 
> By the way, the Hexbeam is visible from the Google satellite photos of my house.
> 
> 73, phil, K7PEH
> 
> 
>> On May 20, 2017, at 8:32 AM, Terry Brown <n7tb at comcast.net> wrote:
>> 
>> I really appreciate all the comments.  I do have a follow up question:
>> 
>> An aluminum beam can be left up for years. I was reading one review of a particular hex beam and the poster said that after 4 years,  the cords holding the beam together had become brittle and started to fail from UV exposure and the main support members had deteriorated for same reason. 
>> 
>> These beams are not cheap,  I don't want to be taking the beam down and replacing main structural components every 5 yrs.
>> 
>> Can anyone with a hex beam comment on this?
>> 
>> Thanks, Terry
>> 
>>> On May 20, 2017, at 8:07 AM, Richard Fjeld <rpfjeld at outlook.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I had a TA33Jr back in the 70?s when the sun cycle was good.  I had a Ten-Tec Argonaut QRP rig and worked a lot of DX with it BUT conditions were very good.  Note is was only for three bands.
>>> 
>>> I second what Vic is saying, though I am speaking about hex beams in general.  Hex beams are a good solution at times. I have talked to many who were using them.  Vic?s comment about ?low profile? can be  important. I have heard people say their neighbors were not aware it was a ham radio antenna. I have also read they only need to be up about 20 feet high. They are said to be good in the wind. (Maybe all this has been mentioned)
>>> 
>>> Rich, n0ce
>>> 
>>> From: Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP
>>> Sent: Friday, May 19, 2017 10:49 PM
>>> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net; Terry Brown
>>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Beam antenna question
>>> 
>>> I used the K4KIO hexbeam on Field Day -- it was very easy to assemble
>>> and the parts were high quality. It is also visually low-profile. I 
>>> would recommend it. I don't have any experience with the TA33 Jr. but my 
>>> guess is that there are a lot more things that can go wrong with all 
>>> those traps.
>>> 
>>> The hexbeam will have gain on WARC bands as well as 10-15-20. My 
>>> experience is that with conditions as they are today, 17m is VERY 
>>> important (so is 30, for that matter) for DXing.
>>> 
>>> I have a rotatable dipole and yes, it definitely does help a lot to 
>>> rotate it! But it isn't a beam.
>>> 
>>> 73,
>>> Victor, 4X6GP
>>> Rehovot, Israel
>>> Formerly K2VCO
>>> http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/
>>> 
>>> 
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> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 11
> Date: Sat, 20 May 2017 11:00:10 -0700
> From: "Ron D'Eau Claire" <ron at cobi.biz>
> To: <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Beam antenna question
> Message-ID: <000001d2d192$ec939110$c5bab330$@biz>
> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="us-ascii"
> 
> Any horizontally-polarized antenna needs to be at least 1/2 wavelength above
> ground for optimum performance, e.g. 32 feet up on 20 meters, 16 feet up on
> 10 meters. 
> 
> They will work at lower heights of course, but at reduced gain as they are
> lower. 
> 
> 20 feet sounds like a reasonable compromise for a 14 MHz and up antenna,
> especially since the actual apparent ground is usually somewhat below the
> surface of the earth in most locations.
> 
> 73, Ron AC7AC  
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> 
> I have also read they only need to be up about 20 feet high. 
> Rich, n0ce
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 12
> Date: Sat, 20 May 2017 11:07:00 -0700
> From: John Nogatch <jnogatch at gmail.com>
> Cc: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Beam antenna question
> Message-ID:
>    <CADTTAax32xBysEpBVxTufratjNVrhw=cN-f2eLE31YjCG+S5ig at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
> 
>>> ...I don't want to be taking the beam down and replacing main structural components every 5 yrs.
>>> Can anyone with a hex beam comment on this?
> 
> I have had several homebrew hexbeams, which have survived weather quite well.
> 
> 1. Use UV-resistant cord, e.g. 3/32" "Antenna Rope" double braided polyester.
> 
> 2. Paint the fiberglass spreaders, 2 coats, e.g. black "Fusion" spray
> paint, recommended for plastic lawn furniture.
> 
> 3. Use a coaxial center post, i.e. aluminum rod inside aluminum tube,
> so that only the stainless steel screw heads are exposed to weather.
> 
> 4. Use a 90-degree fitting to attach the feedline, so that it can hang
> straight down, alongside the center post.
> 
> -John AC6SL
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 13
> Date: Sat, 20 May 2017 22:34:40 +0300
> From: Vic Rosenthal <k2vco.vic at gmail.com>
> To: "Joe Subich, W4TV" <lists at subich.com>
> Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Beam antenna question
> Message-ID: <ABD2ECC9-ABB0-4436-AB4A-C64F6DC1B9F3 at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset=us-ascii
> 
> Why do you think it will "significantly outperform the hex beams?" 
> The point about uv is well taken re fiberglass, but I don't know what the cords on all the hexbeam versions are made of. There are uv resistant materials available.
> I wouldn't say an 11 element yagi with capacity hats on the elements has an especially low visual profile!
> 
> Vic 4X6GP 
> 
>> On 20 May 2017, at 19:36, Joe Subich, W4TV <lists at subich.com> wrote:
>> 
>> On 5/20/2017 11:32 AM, Terry Brown wrote:
>>> These beams are not cheap,  I don't want to be taking the beam down
>>> and replacing main structural components every 5 yrs.
>>> 
>>> Can anyone with a hex beam comment on this?
>> 
>> Your concerns are well placed with antennas made of fiberglass and
>> dacron/kevlar cords.
>> 
>> Instead of a hexbeam, I would recommend looking at the Innovantennas
>> XR5T: <http://innovantennas.com/antennas-a-accesories/on-line-shop/view/productdetails/virtuemart_product_id/435/virtuemart_category_id/55.html>, 
>> or the JK Antennas Navassa 5:
>> <https://jkantennas.com/jk-navassa-5.html>
>> 
>> Both have boom lengths of 12 feet or less, cover 20 - 10 meters and
>> have optional 6 meter add-ons.  Either should significantly out
>> perform the hex beams and - since they are aluminum antennas that do
>> not use UV sensitive fiberglass, kevlar and dacron components - should
>> significantly outlast the hexbeam with significantly less maintenance.
>> 
>> 73,
>> 
>>  ... Joe, W4TV
>>> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 14
> Date: Sat, 20 May 2017 12:59:21 -0700
> From: "Ron D'Eau Claire" <ron at cobi.biz>
> To: "'Vic Rosenthal'" <k2vco.vic at gmail.com>,    "'Joe Subich, W4TV'"
>    <lists at subich.com>
> Cc: <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Beam antenna question
> Message-ID: <000601d2d1a3$93615670$ba240350$@biz>
> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="us-ascii"
> 
> I don't have a Hex beam, but for my wire antennas strung in the trees I use
> this stuff:
> 
> https://www.dxengineering.com/parts/syn-dbr-187-500?seid=dxese1&cm_mmc=pla-g
> oogle-_-shopping-_-dxese1-_-synthetic-textile-industries&gclid=Cj0KEQjw0v_IB
> RCEzKHK0KiCrKMBEiQA3--1NnAInx_Rd5SOr2M6T-EFGXAMt2kyFHAtRWJdawQOdhAaAsN58P8HA
> Q
> 
> It has survived nicely holding up a wire antenna for ten years so far in
> high winds, sunshine, rain, snow, and freezing weather. It's hard to imagine
> that a Hex beam would put more strain on it. 
> 
> However, I am in Oregon. The rope is advertised as UV resistant but we don't
> get nearly as much UV as some other areas. (Sunblock salesmen go broke
> around here.) 
> 
> 73, Ron AC7AC
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Vic
> Rosenthal
> Sent: Saturday, May 20, 2017 12:35 PM
> To: Joe Subich, W4TV
> Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Beam antenna question
> 
> Why do you think it will "significantly outperform the hex beams?" 
> The point about uv is well taken re fiberglass, but I don't know what the
> cords on all the hexbeam versions are made of. There are uv resistant
> materials available.
> I wouldn't say an 11 element yagi with capacity hats on the elements has an
> especially low visual profile!
> 
> Vic 4X6GP 
> 
>> On 20 May 2017, at 19:36, Joe Subich, W4TV <lists at subich.com> wrote:
>> 
>> On 5/20/2017 11:32 AM, Terry Brown wrote:
>>> These beams are not cheap,  I don't want to be taking the beam down 
>>> and replacing main structural components every 5 yrs.
>>> 
>>> Can anyone with a hex beam comment on this?
>> 
>> Your concerns are well placed with antennas made of fiberglass and 
>> dacron/kevlar cords.
>> 
>> Instead of a hexbeam, I would recommend looking at the Innovantennas
>> XR5T: 
>> <http://innovantennas.com/antennas-a-accesories/on-line-shop/view/prod
>> uctdetails/virtuemart_product_id/435/virtuemart_category_id/55.html>,
>> or the JK Antennas Navassa 5:
>> <https://jkantennas.com/jk-navassa-5.html>
>> 
>> Both have boom lengths of 12 feet or less, cover 20 - 10 meters and 
>> have optional 6 meter add-ons.  Either should significantly out 
>> perform the hex beams and - since they are aluminum antennas that do 
>> not use UV sensitive fiberglass, kevlar and dacron components - should 
>> significantly outlast the hexbeam with significantly less maintenance.
>> 
>> 73,
>> 
>>  ... Joe, W4TV
>>> 
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> Message: 15
> Date: Sat, 20 May 2017 16:28:57 -0400
> From: "Joe Subich, W4TV" <lists at subich.com>
> To: Vic Rosenthal <k2vco.vic at gmail.com>, Elecraft
>    <Elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Beam antenna question
> Message-ID: <b04a506e-ee1f-d109-677d-000394f5c67d at subich.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
> 
> 
>> Why do you think it will "significantly outperform the hex beams?"
> 
> Based on the performance data (K7LXC/N0AX) for the original Force 12
> C3 and TH11 with comparisons of the broadband Hexbeam and the TH11.
> The K7LXC/N0AX field data shows the C3 outperforming the TH11 while
> G3TXQ's web page <http://www.karinya.net/g3txq/hexbeam/broadband/>
> shows the TH11 with approximately 3 dB advantage over the broadband
> hexbeam.
> 
>> I wouldn't say an 11 element yagi with capacity hats on the elements
>> has an especially low visual profile!
> 
> Neither the XR5 nor the Navassa 5 has 11 elements *or* capacity hats.
> The XR5 is a 9-element antenna and the Navassa 5 has 10 elements as
> documented in the two links I provided.
> 
> 73,
> 
>    ... Joe, W4TV
> 
> 
>> On 5/20/2017 3:34 PM, Vic Rosenthal wrote:
>> Why do you think it will "significantly outperform the hex beams?"
>> The point about uv is well taken re fiberglass, but I don't know what the cords on all the hexbeam versions are made of. There are uv resistant materials available.
>> I wouldn't say an 11 element yagi with capacity hats on the elements has an especially low visual profile!
>> 
>> Vic 4X6GP
>> 
>>> On 20 May 2017, at 19:36, Joe Subich, W4TV <lists at subich.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> On 5/20/2017 11:32 AM, Terry Brown wrote:
>>>> These beams are not cheap,  I don't want to be taking the beam down
>>>> and replacing main structural components every 5 yrs.
>>>> 
>>>> Can anyone with a hex beam comment on this?
>>> 
>>> Your concerns are well placed with antennas made of fiberglass and
>>> dacron/kevlar cords.
>>> 
>>> Instead of a hexbeam, I would recommend looking at the Innovantennas
>>> XR5T: <http://innovantennas.com/antennas-a-accesories/on-line-shop/view/productdetails/virtuemart_product_id/435/virtuemart_category_id/55.html>,
>>> or the JK Antennas Navassa 5:
>>> <https://jkantennas.com/jk-navassa-5.html>
>>> 
>>> Both have boom lengths of 12 feet or less, cover 20 - 10 meters and
>>> have optional 6 meter add-ons.  Either should significantly out
>>> perform the hex beams and - since they are aluminum antennas that do
>>> not use UV sensitive fiberglass, kevlar and dacron components - should
>>> significantly outlast the hexbeam with significantly less maintenance.
>>> 
>>> 73,
>>> 
>>>  ... Joe, W4TV
>>>> 
>> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 16
> Date: Sat, 20 May 2017 17:17:54 -0400
> From: "w4sc" <w4sc at windstream.net>
> To: "Elecraft" <Elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: [Elecraft] Weighted CNC Knobs for K3
> Message-ID: <9738D5DB272A486080CEAAD39A9F648E at z22z28>
> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="iso-8859-1"
> 
> Knobs Main and VFO B. Version 1.  Perfect. $105 shipped.  Please contact off list for payment options.
> de Ben W4SC
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 17
> Date: Sat, 20 May 2017 17:20:42 -0400
> From: "w4sc" <w4sc at windstream.net>
> To: "Elecraft" <Elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: [Elecraft] Y box excess to my needs
> Message-ID: <79AC2A49775B4A5F890F7B2D035B3AD6 at z22z28>
> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="iso-8859-1"
> 
> I have one (1) N6TV Y-Box excess to my needs.  NEW.
> 
> $135 shipped USA insured.
> 
> Please me contact off list for payment options.
> 
> 73 de Ben W4SC
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 18
> Date: Sat, 20 May 2017 18:10:18 -0400
> From: Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com>
> To: "Joe Stone (KF5WBO)" <kf5wbo at wickedbeernut.com>
> Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Dayton Hamvention 2017
> Message-ID: <4F8A7D90-75F7-445C-9916-1ABFE599036A at elecraft.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset=us-ascii
> 
> KPA1500 amp. And some cool KX2/KX3 firmware features. If there's anything in-between I missed it. 
> 
> Oh... new T-shirt, too  ;-)
> 
> 
> ----
> http://www.elecraft.com
> 
>> On May 20, 2017, at 10:41 AM, Joe Stone (KF5WBO) <kf5wbo at wickedbeernut.com> wrote:
>> 
>> What did Elecraft debut at Hamvention?
>> 
>> 
>> 
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> Message: 19
> Date: Sat, 20 May 2017 17:59:29 -0500
> From: "kg9hfrank at gmail.com" <kg9hfrank at gmail.com>
> To: Elecraft Reflector <Elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 not responding
> Message-ID: <2F4ED0C7-941B-4F88-B554-A4D14F706B22 at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
> 
> Folks, I just updated my firmware on my KX3 all went well.
> I removed the Elecraft cable and then a few minutes later I reconnected the cable back to the radio.
> Now I when I start the Elecraft KX3 Utility and ?test the communications? button, It says KX3 not responding.
> Anyone?
> Frank KG9H
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 20
> Date: Sat, 20 May 2017 19:17:20 -0400
> From: Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com>
> To: "kg9hfrank at gmail.com" <kg9hfrank at gmail.com>,    Elecraft Reflector
>    <Elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 not responding
> Message-ID: <4037de7d-e1c1-237e-39f2-f32d6eb6c4eb at embarqmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
> 
> Frank,
> 
> The USB to serial port may have changed (computer problem).
> Remove the USB end of the KXUSB and reboot the computer.  When the 
> computer boot process has finished, plug in the USB connector and see 
> which COM port is assigned to it.
> If you cannot tell, open Device Manager - then remove the USB cable 
> again - which COM port goes away?  The plug it back in and see which COM 
> port is assigned.
> Use that COM port number in KX3 Utility and it should recognize the KX3.
> 
> Most problem of this nature are due to the computer, and not the radio.
> 
> If that does not solve the problem, then look in the manual or the KX3 
> Utility Help file for "Forcing a Firmware Load" - try those steps, 
> reload the firmware and all should be well.
> 
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
> 
>> On 5/20/2017 6:59 PM, kg9hfrank at gmail.com wrote:
>> Folks, I just updated my firmware on my KX3 all went well.
>> I removed the Elecraft cable and then a few minutes later I reconnected the cable back to the radio.
>> Now I when I start the Elecraft KX3 Utility and ?test the communications? button, It says KX3 not responding.
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 21
> Date: Sat, 20 May 2017 16:26:40 -0700
> From: Rick WA6NHC <wa6nhc at gmail.com>
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3 not responding
> Message-ID: <fe21dc50-aea1-bf94-35be-a9c42a120c45 at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
> 
> In some cases, a complete power off, power supply disconnected (desktop, 
> battery pulled for laptop) is needed.  Sometimes components 'stick' and 
> the only way to clear them is a complete cold hard reboot.
> 
> It's also not just USB dongles, sometimes the same thing happens on real 
> serial ports.
> 
> Rick wa6nhc/7
> Now from North Idaho!
> 
> 
>> On 5/20/2017 4:17 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
>> Frank,
>> 
>> The USB to serial port may have changed (computer problem).
>> Remove the USB end of the KXUSB and reboot the computer.  When the 
>> computer boot process has finished, plug in the USB connector and see 
>> which COM port is assigned to it.
>> If you cannot tell, open Device Manager - then remove the USB cable 
>> again - which COM port goes away?  The plug it back in and see which 
>> COM port is assigned.
>> Use that COM port number in KX3 Utility and it should recognize the KX3.
>> 
>> Most problem of this nature are due to the computer, and not the radio.
>> 
>> If that does not solve the problem, then look in the manual or the KX3 
>> Utility Help file for "Forcing a Firmware Load" - try those steps, 
>> reload the firmware and all should be well.
>> 
>> 73,
>> Don W3FPR
>> 
>>> On 5/20/2017 6:59 PM, kg9hfrank at gmail.com wrote:
>>> Folks, I just updated my firmware on my KX3 all went well.
>>> I removed the Elecraft cable and then a few minutes later I 
>>> reconnected the cable back to the radio.
>>> Now I when I start the Elecraft KX3 Utility and ?test the 
>>> communications? button, It says KX3 not responding.
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> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 22
> Date: Sat, 20 May 2017 20:11:05 -0400
> From: "Alan D. Wilcox" <alan at wilcoxengineering.com>
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [Elecraft] Tuneup, Rescue, Build your K2, K1, KX1, others
> Message-ID:
>    <8D5BDBC6-3AD0-4961-84A4-79CDDC011AD1 at wilcoxengineering.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
> 
> Hello,
> 
> Have you always wanted an Elecraft? A KX1, K1, K2,  whatever? 
> I?ll build any of them.
> 
> Does your K2 need a tuneup?
> 
> In addition to tuning your rig, I can also rescue a building project you might have started some time ago.
> 
> See what my clients have said about my construction and service work at 
> http://www.eham.net/reviews/detail/6768 
> 
> Photos of the popular "Twins" -- the KPA100 and KAT100 in EC2 enclosure --  are at
> http://wilcoxengineering.com/kpa100-in-ec2/ 
> 
> Cheers,
> Alan
> 
> Alan D. Wilcox, W3DVX (K2-5373, K3-40)
> 570-478-0736 (cell, text)
> http://amazon.com/author/alandwilcox
> Williamsport, PA 17701
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 23
> Date: Sun, 21 May 2017 00:56:49 +0000
> From: David Orman <ormandj at corenode.com>
> To: Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com>,    "Joe Stone (KF5WBO)"
>    <kf5wbo at wickedbeernut.com>
> Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Dayton Hamvention 2017
> Message-ID:
>    <CAGxZ45pHZ4Um_DEXbstjhKBdBfwNf1JxD5m=GS4a0osh3bzaoQ at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
> 
> Ohh, what features? Sounds fun! Hope you and the other folks out there are
> having a great time!
> 
> David / K5DJO
> 
>> On Sat, May 20, 2017, 17:11 Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com> wrote:
>> 
>> KPA1500 amp. And some cool KX2/KX3 firmware features. If there's anything
>> in-between I missed it.
>> 
>> Oh... new T-shirt, too  ;-)
>> 
>> 
>> ----
>> http://www.elecraft.com
>> 
>>> On May 20, 2017, at 10:41 AM, Joe Stone (KF5WBO) <
>> kf5wbo at wickedbeernut.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> What did Elecraft debut at Hamvention?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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> Message: 24
> Date: Sun, 21 May 2017 09:14:35 +0500
> From: Igor Sokolov <ua9cdc at gmail.com>
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Beam antenna question
> Message-ID: <33683308-050c-1435-b640-056c4f8ec795 at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
> 
> Joe,
> 
> Reality sometimes differ from calculations.
> 
> XR5T has shortened 20m elements and pretty poor F/B as compared to Hex. 
> Last year we were operating in WPX contest from Madeira, CT9 and had 2 
> antennas up on 15m band. One was 4 el Op-Des 15m full size monobander 
> from Innovantennas. Another one was Hex. Both installed at the same 
> height of 10m above the ground. We were surprised to find out that Hex 
> had been always outperforming 4el Innov into Eu and the USA. so we ended 
> up using only Hex.
> 
> Besides XR5 is 3 times heavier them Hex and much more visible (let it's 
> price alone).
> 
> BTW is somebody wants a pair of these 4el 15m full size monoband 
> Innovantennas, they are for sale, stored in Madeira, and we are selling 
> them for 50% of their original price.
> 
> Fiberglass spreaders of our Hex are coming from Maxgain and UV 
> resistant. So are wires and ropes. All bolts and nuts are made of 
> stainless steel.
> 
> 
> 73, Igor UA9CDC
> 
> 
> 20.05.2017 21:36, Joe Subich, W4TV ?????:
>>> On 5/20/2017 11:32 AM, Terry Brown wrote:
>>> These beams are not cheap,  I don't want to be taking the beam down
>>> and replacing main structural components every 5 yrs.
>>> 
>>> Can anyone with a hex beam comment on this?
>> 
>> Your concerns are well placed with antennas made of fiberglass and
>> dacron/kevlar cords.
>> 
>> Instead of a hexbeam, I would recommend looking at the Innovantennas
>> XR5T: 
>> <http://innovantennas.com/antennas-a-accesories/on-line-shop/view/productdetails/virtuemart_product_id/435/virtuemart_category_id/55.html>, 
>> 
>> or the JK Antennas Navassa 5:
>> <https://jkantennas.com/jk-navassa-5.html>
>> 
>> Both have boom lengths of 12 feet or less, cover 20 - 10 meters and
>> have optional 6 meter add-ons.  Either should significantly out
>> perform the hex beams and - since they are aluminum antennas that do
>> not use UV sensitive fiberglass, kevlar and dacron components - should
>> significantly outlast the hexbeam with significantly less maintenance.
>> 
>> 73,
>> 
>>   ... Joe, W4TV
>> 
>> 
>>> On 5/20/2017 11:32 AM, Terry Brown wrote:
>>> I really appreciate all the comments.  I do have a follow up
>>> question:
>>> 
>>> An aluminum beam can be left up for years. I was reading one review
>>> of a particular hex beam and the poster said that after 4 years,  the
>>> cords holding the beam together had become brittle and started to
>>> fail from UV exposure and the main support members had deteriorated
>>> for same reason.
>>> 
>>> These beams are not cheap,  I don't want to be taking the beam down
>>> and replacing main structural components every 5 yrs.
>>> 
>>> Can anyone with a hex beam comment on this?
>>> 
>>> Thanks, Terry
>>> 
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From 5battaglione.servizi at gmail.com  Sun May 21 13:29:14 2017
From: 5battaglione.servizi at gmail.com (IU6ASS)
Date: Sun, 21 May 2017 10:29:14 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft T1 doesn't tune nor read power levels
Message-ID: <1495387754309-7630887.post@n2.nabble.com>

Couple of weeks ago i got my hands on a used rig, an FT817D plus an Elecraft
T1 tuner. The tuner worked fine until yesterday, doing the autotuning at
band change and tuning when pressing the "tune" button.

But now when i press the tune button or switch between bands and transmit
within the flashing green LED, the tuner stands still, not cycling thru the
relays to find the best match, as like it's not connected to an RF source at
all.

Thanks to the CAT cable, when i switch bands on the radio, the T1 it still
does the same, and still retains the last stored SWR match saved on the
various bands, but if i switch to another antenna and try to tune, as
mentioned, it does not tune.

I tried tuning in CW, AM, FM, talking over SSB, but to no avail, the tuning
does not starts.

I tried switching to a new battery, same effects.

I tried to listen to the slow CW Info, but not much information.

I decided to open the T1 and eventually check for cracked solder joints and
aside from fatigue ones on the BNCs that i could solder easily, nothing out
of the ordinary came out to my eyes.

Any idea from more expert minds?



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From ve7day at telus.net  Sun May 21 13:42:07 2017
From: ve7day at telus.net (John)
Date: Sun, 21 May 2017 10:42:07 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft T1 doesn't tune nor read power levels
Message-ID: <8e452153-fbb6-f98f-a4bc-25aaf3a75f70@telus.net>

Hello.

Open up the tuner and see if the motors are trying to turn.

They may be frozen/sticky.

73.

John.



On 21/05/2017 10:29 AM, IU6ASS wrote:
> Couple of weeks ago i got my hands on a used rig, an FT817D plus an Elecraft
> T1 tuner. The tuner worked fine until yesterday, doing the autotuning at
> band change and tuning when pressing the "tune" button.
>
> But now when i press the tune button or switch between bands and transmit
> within the flashing green LED, the tuner stands still, not cycling thru the
> relays to find the best match, as like it's not connected to an RF source at
> all.
>
> Thanks to the CAT cable, when i switch bands on the radio, the T1 it still
> does the same, and still retains the last stored SWR match saved on the
> various bands, but if i switch to another antenna and try to tune, as
> mentioned, it does not tune.
>
> I tried tuning in CW, AM, FM, talking over SSB, but to no avail, the tuning
> does not starts.
>
> I tried switching to a new battery, same effects.
>
> I tried to listen to the slow CW Info, but not much information.
>
> I decided to open the T1 and eventually check for cracked solder joints and
> aside from fatigue ones on the BNCs that i could solder easily, nothing out
> of the ordinary came out to my eyes.
>
> Any idea from more expert minds?
>
>
>
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From phystad at mac.com  Sun May 21 14:00:55 2017
From: phystad at mac.com (Phil Hystad)
Date: Sun, 21 May 2017 11:00:55 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] BL2 -- Antenna Balun Usage
Message-ID: <6F534F0A-3A67-4D82-B836-EFE415006478@mac.com>

I am assuming that a question about the Elecraft BL2 is On-Topic (OT) as opposed to Off-Topic (OT)?

I am planning to use my BL2 to measure the impedance of my antenna+feedline at the point of entry into my balun (DX Engineering) which then feeds coax to my K-Line.

The feedline is 450 ohm ladder (window style).  The antenna is an 80-meter, 136 feet, antenna up in the air about 50 to 60 feet.

I have two antenna analyzers and I will likely use both of them to see the difference.  I will connect the 450-ohm feed line to the balanced side and a BNC to UHF adapter for attaching to my antenna analyzer [ (1) MFJ 259B, (2) Autek Research VA1].

Questions:

(1) How much difference would I expect in using the balun verses measuring the balanced line directly with my antenna analyzers (actually, I plan to do both but wondering if anyone else has done this with what results).

(2) I bought the BL2 for this particular purpose as it is switchable between 1:1 and 4:1 transformations.  I wanted to figure out which would be best to use, a 1:1 or a 4:1 balun (DX Engineering and I have one of each).  Due to the location of the balun (DX Engineering that is) it is easier for me to do this measurement first before physically replacing the one balun with the other.  Right now, I am using a 4:1 balun.

A third un-related (to above) question:  The BL2 is rated for maximum of 250 watts.  What are the bad effects of pushing more than 250 watts through the device, I mean a lot more like double or triple.  My guess is that the ferrite transformer will overheat causing possibly run-away thermal non-linear changes to the transforming.  What else will likely happen?

73, phil, K7PEH




From 5battaglione.servizi at gmail.com  Sun May 21 14:31:27 2017
From: 5battaglione.servizi at gmail.com (IU6ASS)
Date: Sun, 21 May 2017 11:31:27 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft T1 doesn't tune nor read power levels
In-Reply-To: <8e452153-fbb6-f98f-a4bc-25aaf3a75f70@telus.net>
References: <1495387754309-7630887.post@n2.nabble.com>
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@John-2

If for "motors" you intend the relays, they seems to work (I cycled them
with the diagnostic built in the T1), but during normal tuning operation,
the tuner does seems to not recognize that RF is sent to the T1 at all.

I tired to change the coaxial links between radio, T1 and antennas just for
good measure, but there is no change. 



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From paulnf8j at gmail.com  Sun May 21 14:51:08 2017
From: paulnf8j at gmail.com (Paul VanOveren)
Date: Sun, 21 May 2017 14:51:08 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] For Sale:
Message-ID: <CAG0nM67m7B7DWFLVcmtf4qEbgsEXhxOtUh=S7XCK2KSFBpR6pw@mail.gmail.com>

Elecraft K3, ser # 758, 100 w module, 2nd receiver, ATU w/2nd antenna
input, DSP board upgrade, Digital Voice Recorder, KIO3 Digital i/O board
w/receive ant input. 2 - 2.7 SSB filters, 2 - 5 pole 500 KHZ matching CW
filters, 2- 8 pole 25KHZ matching CW filters. 15 factory performed hardware
sofeware mods @ Elecraft.  $2400.00, will split shipping, insurance from
49302, Mi.  616, 868-7149 or paulnfi8j at gmail.com.  Pictures upon request.
All manuals, cables, Fred Cady book included.

From phystad at mac.com  Sun May 21 14:58:49 2017
From: phystad at mac.com (Phil Hystad)
Date: Sun, 21 May 2017 11:58:49 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] For Sale:
In-Reply-To: <CAG0nM67m7B7DWFLVcmtf4qEbgsEXhxOtUh=S7XCK2KSFBpR6pw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAG0nM67m7B7DWFLVcmtf4qEbgsEXhxOtUh=S7XCK2KSFBpR6pw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <FF74B95B-7C05-4BC0-9FCC-C4DEDEF1EEE8@mac.com>

Those are pretty wide filters.  I presume you mean 500 Hz and 250 Hz filters.


> On May 21, 2017, at 11:51 AM, Paul VanOveren <paulnf8j at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Elecraft K3, ser # 758, 100 w module, 2nd receiver, ATU w/2nd antenna
> input, DSP board upgrade, Digital Voice Recorder, KIO3 Digital i/O board
> w/receive ant input. 2 - 2.7 SSB filters, 2 - 5 pole 500 KHZ matching CW
> filters, 2- 8 pole 25KHZ matching CW filters. 15 factory performed hardware
> sofeware mods @ Elecraft.  $2400.00, will split shipping, insurance from
> 49302, Mi.  616, 868-7149 or paulnfi8j at gmail.com.  Pictures upon request.
> All manuals, cables, Fred Cady book included.
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From k6dgw at foothill.net  Sun May 21 15:41:05 2017
From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen)
Date: Sun, 21 May 2017 12:41:05 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Beam antenna question
In-Reply-To: <1f8396de-2fa1-1ffa-cac6-313f23ca27ae@audiosystemsgroup.com>
References: <B1219C5B-179F-4E19-A841-E705EA120A8E@mchsi.com>
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	<00579C7F-C042-4E5F-AB69-0EB6975D6FD4@comcast.net>
	<f1509664-d3a1-707c-b535-1359d09a4456@subich.com>
	<33683308-050c-1435-b640-056c4f8ec795@gmail.com>
	<1f8396de-2fa1-1ffa-cac6-313f23ca27ae@audiosystemsgroup.com>
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Indeed!  Apollo 11 landed close to 2 km downrange from the center of the 
planned landing footprint.  This was the result of a lunar gravitational 
potential model that didn't exactly match the real world.  No one 
screwed up, the computer worked correctly, the potential model was fine 
except that it possibly applied to some other moon in the solar system, 
of which there are many, just not to ours.

NEC-2 [e.g. EZNEC] is a good model but one has to be knowledgeable of 
its limitations.  It can, for example, return wildly wrong source 
impedance values if the source is connected to the end of a wire.

73,

Fred ("Skip") K6DGW
Sparks NV USA
Washoe County DM09dn

On 5/20/2017 10:18 PM, Jim Brown wrote:
>
> Brown's first law -- "if you think there's a difference between theory 
> and practice, you don't know enough about one or the other."


From k6dgw at foothill.net  Sun May 21 16:15:16 2017
From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen)
Date: Sun, 21 May 2017 13:15:16 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] BL2 -- Antenna Balun Usage
In-Reply-To: <6F534F0A-3A67-4D82-B836-EFE415006478@mac.com>
References: <6F534F0A-3A67-4D82-B836-EFE415006478@mac.com>
Message-ID: <b2afc8d8-4b1d-b3e0-2379-0cd7adad7399@foothill.net>

Hi Phil,

(1) The MFJ-259x series of antenna/feedline analyzers havean N coax 
connector. Using the BL2, you can connect it to the balanced ladder 
line. How were you planning to connect it without the balun?  As you 
state it, it does not sound like a reasonable experiment design.

(2) The impedance ratio of both the DXE and BL2 is the square of the 
turns ratio.  Thus, the 4:1 DXE is a 16:1 ratio in complex ohms.

You can measure the complex impedance at the end of the balanced line 
using a very short coax jumper from the BL2 to the analyzerand then 
compute the impedance at the balanced terminal using the above. Be 
careful of BL2 ratios that give extreme results, they're likely not 
really valid.

(3) Transformers are rated for both power and breakdown voltage. My DXE 
balun was rated at 11 KV and 10 KW ... although cramming 10 KW into an 
SO-239 seems a bit unrealistic. [:-)  The transformer will have 
lossesmanifested in heat. If it gets too hot, it will do what everything 
else does whenit gets too hot.
Depending on the impedance ratio and the complex impedance you're 
feeding, the voltagecan exceed the breakdown voltage, creating 
well-known effects.

If the applied power saturates the transformer core, power peaks above 
saturation will be clipped creating a huge RFI generator. Balun cores 
are ferrite of various compositions. Each composition has a specific 
Curie temperature, above which the core loses it's ferrimagnetic properties.

The MFJ-259x and VA1 are almost guaranteed to give non-identical 
results. If they are large differences, youhave some other problem.  If 
they are small, they are essentially meaningless for your application. 
Hope this all helps.

73,

Fred ("Skip") K6DGW
Sparks NV USA
Washoe County DM09dn

On 5/21/2017 11:00 AM, Phil Hystad wrote:
> I am planning to use my BL2 to measure the impedance of my antenna+feedline at the point of entry into my balun (DX Engineering) which then feeds coax to my K-Line.
>
> The feedline is 450 ohm ladder (window style).  The antenna is an 80-meter, 136 feet, antenna up in the air about 50 to 60 feet.
>
> I have two antenna analyzers and I will likely use both of them to see the difference.  I will connect the 450-ohm feed line to the balanced side and a BNC to UHF adapter for attaching to my antenna analyzer [ (1) MFJ 259B, (2) Autek Research VA1].
>
> Questions:
>
> (1) How much difference would I expect in using the balun verses measuring the balanced line directly with my antenna analyzers (actually, I plan to do both but wondering if anyone else has done this with what results).
>
> (2) I bought the BL2 for this particular purpose as it is switchable between 1:1 and 4:1 transformations.  I wanted to figure out which would be best to use, a 1:1 or a 4:1 balun (DX Engineering and I have one of each).  Due to the location of the balun (DX Engineering that is) it is easier for me to do this measurement first before physically replacing the one balun with the other.  Right now, I am using a 4:1 balun.
>
> A third un-related (to above) question:  The BL2 is rated for maximum of 250 watts.  What are the bad effects of pushing more than 250 watts through the device, I mean a lot more like double or triple.  My guess is that the ferrite transformer will overheat causing possibly run-away thermal non-linear changes to the transforming.  What else will likely happen?
>
> 73, phil, K7PEH
>
>
>
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From w8fn at tx.rr.com  Sun May 21 18:45:05 2017
From: w8fn at tx.rr.com (Randy Farmer)
Date: Sun, 21 May 2017 17:45:05 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] News from Dayton
Message-ID: <22586271-5119-98ce-7706-d767fd445344@tx.rr.com>

Just back from Dayton and catching up on zillions of emails. I haven't 
seen it posted, so perhaps I can be the first to publicize the fact that 
Bob, N6TV (he of the Y-Box and many, many helpful reflector  posts), was 
inducted into the Contesting Hall of Fame at the Saturday night Contest 
Dinner. Congratulations, Bob!

The new Dayton facility is a great improvement over the old venue. There 
were some teething problems, but my hat's off to the DARA crew for 
pulling off an extraordinarily difficult transition with excellent results.

73...
Randy, W8FN

From no9e at arrl.net  Sun May 21 18:45:46 2017
From: no9e at arrl.net (Ignacy)
Date: Sun, 21 May 2017 15:45:46 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] BL2 -- Antenna Balun Usage
In-Reply-To: <b2afc8d8-4b1d-b3e0-2379-0cd7adad7399@foothill.net>
References: <6F534F0A-3A67-4D82-B836-EFE415006478@mac.com>
	<b2afc8d8-4b1d-b3e0-2379-0cd7adad7399@foothill.net>
Message-ID: <1495406746686-7630895.post@n2.nabble.com>

Just to add to one extra reply.
Z readings from 259B or VA1 are inaccurate. SWR measurement is pretty good,
though. 

BL2 balun is very good in transforming 200 to 50 or 50 to 50. It is hard to
figure out exactly what is does outside the range. 

When BL2 is not hot, it is good enough. Whether it is hot or not depends not
only on power but also on impedances to transform. I used BL1 with too short
wires and the balun was hot but I was making contacts. 

For precision measurements buy VNA that can be calibrated.

Ignacy, NO9E



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From phystad at mac.com  Sun May 21 18:59:58 2017
From: phystad at mac.com (Phil Hystad)
Date: Sun, 21 May 2017 15:59:58 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] BL2 -- Antenna Balun Usage
In-Reply-To: <b2afc8d8-4b1d-b3e0-2379-0cd7adad7399@foothill.net>
References: <6F534F0A-3A67-4D82-B836-EFE415006478@mac.com>
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> Quoted from Fred (?Skip?) K6DGW?

> (1) The MFJ-259x series of antenna/feedline analyzers havean N coax connector. Using the BL2, you can connect it to the balanced ladder line. How were you planning to connect it without the balun?  As you state it, it does not sound like a reasonable experiment design.

Not sure what you are saying above.  After the e-mail I sent, since the WX was so nice at 77 degrees, I went out to do the measurements.  I attached the 450-ohm ladder line to the balanced terminals on the BL2 and the BL2 was itself attached to the MFJ and also the VA1 via my BNC to UHF (PL-259) adapter.  

I first did resistor checks at 3.5 MHz to find that all was working as it should in this setup.  With 200 ohm resistor on the BL2 terminals using 4:1 I measured 49 ohms with essentially zero X (reactance).  In 1:1 mode, I read 203 ohms and 1 or zero on X (it was changing back and forth).

Then I measured with the actual antenna by disconnecting the ladder line from my DXEngineering 4:1 balun and connecting it to the balanced terminals on the BL2.  I was on a ladder doing this so I decided not to take too many measurements and focused on 80-meter band only.

Within a reasonable error factor, the numbers I found for 4:1 switch on BL2 were consistent (close) to the Bypass SWR reported by my KAT500 for the same frequencies: 3.501, 3.6, 3.7, 3.8, 3.9, and 3.99.

Most of the 1:1 measures I made were too high SWR (~15:1 and above).
> 

> The MFJ-259x and VA1 are almost guaranteed to give non-identical results. If they are large differences, youhave some other problem.  If they are small, they are essentially meaningless for your application. Hope this all helps.

Yes, all of this helps.  Later this year I will be doing some experiments with the BL2 ? not for ham radio, more for my physics interest.  I will be measuring the heating of the ferrite core on the BL2 using my Fluke Infrared Temperature gun.  I have already measured the time for the ferrite core to come to thermal equilibrium in two different heat baths.  An air conditioned room versus the overheated garage on a hot summer day.  That was the very first thing I did with my BL2 after I finished building it.

Yes, the MFJ and VA1 always give me different results but they are usually close.  The VA1 actually is useful because you can easily determine the sign of the reactance where as with the MFJ you need to change the frequency (like moving it up) to watch which direction the reactance term changes.

PEH

From romeadows1 at outlook.com  Sun May 21 19:44:15 2017
From: romeadows1 at outlook.com (Roger Meadows)
Date: Sun, 21 May 2017 23:44:15 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Macro Question
Message-ID: <CY4PR1201MB02614D0D2A73295961A72A5E96FB0@CY4PR1201MB0261.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>

I have two macros. One to turn off MICBIAS and MIC BTN. The second to turn MICBIAS back on and set MIC BTN to Ptt UP.dn.

The first one works fine:
MN135;MP000;MN082;MP000;SWT09;
MN135 sets MICBIAS off and MN082 sets MIC BTN off. SWT09 exits the menu

When I go to set them back I use:
MN135;MP016;MN082;MP004;SWT09;
MN135, bit 4 sets MICBIAS back on. MN082, bit 2 sets Ptt UP.dn. SWT09 exits menu.

When I go to use the mic, it does not work. When I look at the menu items they are set correctly. To get the mic to work, I have to toggle MIC BTN manually. Once I do that everything is fine.

Anyone have any idea if I?m doing something wrong or I am missing something (probably something simple).

Thanks,
Roger
AE4RM


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From wes_n7ws at triconet.org  Sun May 21 21:04:57 2017
From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes Stewart)
Date: Sun, 21 May 2017 18:04:57 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Hallicrafters HA-1
In-Reply-To: <8A90BA63-98AF-4FB5-8913-AF02E30951A3@gmail.com>
References: <BN6PR15MB1411057C974359FC868F2697CFE10@BN6PR15MB1411.namprd15.prod.outlook.com>
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Message-ID: <fc10b716-8cbc-0fc6-5e28-1155c2c1e819@triconet.org>

I'm approaching my 60th year in ham radio and have a confession; I learned Morse 
with my Boy Scout Handbook (still have it) by sight not sound.  Consequently, 
I've never been a very good CW op, although I have a 20 WPM Extra license.  As a 
Novice I used a Western Electric "Pole-Changer" straight key given to me by a 
non-ham retired telegrapher friend, (That's still on the operating desk).  I 
never even tried a bug, but when I built my first Accu-Keyer I finally had some 
help.  I used it with a number of rigs and when the Accu-Memory came out I was 
in heaven.

I build two of them at first and gave one to my friend George Badger, W6TC, who 
liked it too.  Then I built a third one for the heart of my meteor scatter/EME 
station.  With several handfulls of TTL logic I added a timer/sequencer that 
used the power line as a time base to automatically control the station on the 
various sequences used for MS and EME. Preamp switching/relay delay, TX delay, 
etc were all timed by the keyer and the "canned" messages were in memory.  All I 
had to do was listen and select the next message as the QSO progressed. (That 
one is still in my storage building too.)

Among its wonderful ergonomics the TS870 that I had before buying a K3 was an 
Accu-Keyer emulation.   I never had trouble sending CW with that rig.  Enter the 
K3 (and now a K3S).  I can't even send my call gracefully.  I was prepared to 
buy the Idiom Press unit when they went out of business.

I would love Accu-Keyer emulation in my K3s.

Wes  N7WS

On 5/15/2017 12:57 PM, GRANT YOUNGMAN wrote:
> This is one of the things that has always bugged me about internal rig keyers (Elecraft included).  And as as result, I?ve almost never used them.  I?ve been using an Accu-Keyer (or emulator) for so long that nothing else is comfortable.
>
> I moved from my original home brewed Accu-Keyer (which I still have, refuse to part with,  and occasionally use) to the enhanced Accu-Memory version, to an MM-3 (with emulation ? and still one of the best stand-alone keyers ever made) to the Idiom Press CMOS 4 (with emulation) because of its small form factor.
>
> It seems that something as basic as Accu-Keyer timing with auto-character (and even auto-word) space isn?t exactly ?rocket science?.  So how about it Elecraft?   Accu-Keyer emulation would make a better than run-of-the-mill update!!  For the K3, KX3, KX2.  And I wouldn?t have to carry the CMOS 4 in my KX3 bag or fiddle with more cables on the table with the K3.  I?m probably not alone here, given the popularity of the Accu-Keyer.  I can send better CW with a bug than I can with paddles and an electronic keyer that lacks ACS.  Maybe it?s my (old) age or just practice ...  :-)
>
>> But - it didn't have auto character spacing which came out with the WB4VVF
>> Accu-Keyer (hint-hint - so it's not OT after all).
>>
> Grant NQ5T
> K3 #2091, KX3 #8342
>


From ghyoungman at gmail.com  Sun May 21 21:13:59 2017
From: ghyoungman at gmail.com (GRANT YOUNGMAN)
Date: Sun, 21 May 2017 21:13:59 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Hallicrafters HA-1
In-Reply-To: <fc10b716-8cbc-0fc6-5e28-1155c2c1e819@triconet.org>
References: <BN6PR15MB1411057C974359FC868F2697CFE10@BN6PR15MB1411.namprd15.prod.outlook.com>
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	<8A90BA63-98AF-4FB5-8913-AF02E30951A3@gmail.com>
	<fc10b716-8cbc-0fc6-5e28-1155c2c1e819@triconet.org>
Message-ID: <DD353540-B3C9-4410-8244-CF6C87FB84F1@gmail.com>

Theoretically, you can still buy the CMOS 4 and other Idiom Press products from these guys:  https://www.hamsupply.com/cmos-4-keyer/ <https://www.hamsupply.com/cmos-4-keyer/>


> I would love Accu-Keyer emulation in my K3s.

So would I.  In the K3 and KX3 (and KX2 since I?m thinking about purchasing one) 

Grant NQ5T
K3 #2091, KX3 #8342




From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Sun May 21 21:19:19 2017
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sun, 21 May 2017 21:19:19 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K2/100 overheating?
In-Reply-To: <1495380389901-7630883.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <852559271.1793260.1495195271738@mail.yahoo.com>
	<caf8e0e3-f0d0-c5b1-98a8-86193cc5b176@embarqmail.com>
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George,

I will check the fan air flow direction tomorrow because I am uncertain.
If you have the label out and the wires on the correct holes, yours is 
likely OK.

There are 2 philosophies about the fan direction.  One is that you 
should exhaust the heat and let the assembly draw cool air across the 
hot components.

The other says to let the fan "blow" on the hot components.
The major difference between the two is that a blower fan adds heat to 
the air (due to the work produced by the fan), but adds the benefit of 
directing the air flow to the area to be cooled.
An exhaust fan does not add its work product heat to the air being 
moved, but the cool air cannot be directed as well because it is spread 
over a large area in the enclosure box.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 5/21/2017 11:26 AM, George Winship, NC5G wrote:
> Interesting. I built my K2/100 about 17 years ago and the fan has always
> drawn air into the cabinet and exhausted over the heatsink. So, I rechecked
> the manual and disassembled my rig to check for proper assembly. Fan label
> is facing out and wires are soldered to the right pads(red=+, black=-). Was
> there maybe a change in later models?
> 
> 73, George
> 
> 
> 
> Make certain the fan is mounted with the label out and that the red wire
> is in the +hole and the black one in the -hole.
> The fan should exhaust the hot air.  Cooler air flows in at the front of
> the heatsink.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Sun May 21 21:34:50 2017
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sun, 21 May 2017 21:34:50 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Finding an RS-232 port on the K3
In-Reply-To: <78B514AD-2C5F-4A37-AA10-408612D2A296@me.com>
References: <78B514AD-2C5F-4A37-AA10-408612D2A296@me.com>
Message-ID: <4ce8b9dc-e157-9542-54a0-e41d05d1641c@embarqmail.com>

Phil,

A "Y" cable on the RS-232 path will do that for you.
The real physical connection place for the "Y" cable depends on whether 
you have the P3 or not.

If you do NOT have the P3, you may not need the "Y" cable - Plug the 
cable from your Microbit to the RJ-45 to DB-9 dongle that comes with the 
KIOXB (you may need a gender changer).

If you DO have the P3. connect the "Y" cable to the "PC" DB9 on the P3 
and connect the Mircobit cable into one side of the "Y" cable, and plug 
the CBLP3Y cable that normally would connect to the P3 PC connector into 
the other side of the "Y" cable.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 5/21/2017 1:03 PM, PHILIP GRAITCER wrote:
> I have a K3, that has been upgraded with the addition of a KIO3B. I have a USB cable going from the K3 to my computer, and the RS-232 RJ45 jack has the Elecraft Y-type cable going from it to both connections on the P3.
> 
> I have a Microbit AS-1289, web based antenna switch with an RS-232 output. The manufacturer says that if I connect up this output to the K3 RS-232 port, the antenna switch will automatically follow the transceiver bandswitching. That would eliminate my need for manually switching the switch on the web. (I am in the process of remoting the station using remotehams.)
> 

From w3tb.ted at gmail.com  Sun May 21 21:39:35 2017
From: w3tb.ted at gmail.com (Ted Edwards W3TB)
Date: Mon, 22 May 2017 01:39:35 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Beam antenna question
In-Reply-To: <e105a54b-634f-4b3f-6361-22d0765ac247@foothill.net>
References: <B1219C5B-179F-4E19-A841-E705EA120A8E@mchsi.com>
	<9b2e9bbe-b93b-ef09-c8ac-b28e873e0e7f@gmail.com>
	<DM5PR1601MB1210C6FB20670D8038AC21C1BFFA0@DM5PR1601MB1210.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
	<00579C7F-C042-4E5F-AB69-0EB6975D6FD4@comcast.net>
	<f1509664-d3a1-707c-b535-1359d09a4456@subich.com>
	<33683308-050c-1435-b640-056c4f8ec795@gmail.com>
	<1f8396de-2fa1-1ffa-cac6-313f23ca27ae@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<e105a54b-634f-4b3f-6361-22d0765ac247@foothill.net>
Message-ID: <CAGhFmTiYjbVNwtPp+VPZ8ss-oiN=ej9Pd8eFbjV2dhns5fRFfg@mail.gmail.com>

Years ago in grad school I strung antenna of 22 gauge green enameled bell
wire, and it was so hard to see that I would go outside and look up to see
it against the sky to check it before operating.   Even I couldn't see
it... only ran 150 watts on it.

On Sun, May 21, 2017 at 15:42 Fred Jensen <k6dgw at foothill.net> wrote:

> Indeed!  Apollo 11 landed close to 2 km downrange from the center of the
> planned landing footprint.  This was the result of a lunar gravitational
> potential model that didn't exactly match the real world.  No one
> screwed up, the computer worked correctly, the potential model was fine
> except that it possibly applied to some other moon in the solar system,
> of which there are many, just not to ours.
>
> NEC-2 [e.g. EZNEC] is a good model but one has to be knowledgeable of
> its limitations.  It can, for example, return wildly wrong source
> impedance values if the source is connected to the end of a wire.
>
> 73,
>
> Fred ("Skip") K6DGW
> Sparks NV USA
> Washoe County DM09dn
>
> On 5/20/2017 10:18 PM, Jim Brown wrote:
> >
> > Brown's first law -- "if you think there's a difference between theory
> > and practice, you don't know enough about one or the other."
>
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-- 
73 de Ted Edwards, W3TB and G?PWW

and thinking about operating CW:
"Do today what others won't,
so you can do tomorrow what others can't."

From kevin at k4vd.net  Sun May 21 21:44:57 2017
From: kevin at k4vd.net (Kevin - K4VD)
Date: Sun, 21 May 2017 21:44:57 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Hallicrafters HA-1
In-Reply-To: <fc10b716-8cbc-0fc6-5e28-1155c2c1e819@triconet.org>
References: <BN6PR15MB1411057C974359FC868F2697CFE10@BN6PR15MB1411.namprd15.prod.outlook.com>
	<1494875574932-7630657.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<8A90BA63-98AF-4FB5-8913-AF02E30951A3@gmail.com>
	<fc10b716-8cbc-0fc6-5e28-1155c2c1e819@triconet.org>
Message-ID: <CAFA9ujsinJCzR1FRdxS___i1bWxy+Pw1juGOt4Ai1_98paX64Q@mail.gmail.com>

Is Idiom Press out of business? I thought they just changed their name:
https://www.hamsupply.com. Hamsupply.com has the Logikey K-5 Electronic
Keyer <https://www.hamsupply.com/logikey-k-5-keyer/> with Accukeyer
emulation. I use one - not so much any more - but still have it anyway.
Wonderful keyer. Not sure if this is the one you're referring to though.

73,
Kev K4VD

On Sun, May 21, 2017 at 9:04 PM, Wes Stewart <wes_n7ws at triconet.org> wrote:

> I'm approaching my 60th year in ham radio and have a confession; I learned
> Morse with my Boy Scout Handbook (still have it) by sight not sound.
> Consequently, I've never been a very good CW op, although I have a 20 WPM
> Extra license.  As a Novice I used a Western Electric "Pole-Changer"
> straight key given to me by a non-ham retired telegrapher friend, (That's
> still on the operating desk).  I never even tried a bug, but when I built
> my first Accu-Keyer I finally had some help.  I used it with a number of
> rigs and when the Accu-Memory came out I was in heaven.
>
> I build two of them at first and gave one to my friend George Badger,
> W6TC, who liked it too.  Then I built a third one for the heart of my
> meteor scatter/EME station.  With several handfulls of TTL logic I added a
> timer/sequencer that used the power line as a time base to automatically
> control the station on the various sequences used for MS and EME. Preamp
> switching/relay delay, TX delay, etc were all timed by the keyer and the
> "canned" messages were in memory.  All I had to do was listen and select
> the next message as the QSO progressed. (That one is still in my storage
> building too.)
>
> Among its wonderful ergonomics the TS870 that I had before buying a K3 was
> an Accu-Keyer emulation.   I never had trouble sending CW with that rig.
> Enter the K3 (and now a K3S).  I can't even send my call gracefully.  I was
> prepared to buy the Idiom Press unit when they went out of business.
>
> I would love Accu-Keyer emulation in my K3s.
>
> Wes  N7WS
>
> On 5/15/2017 12:57 PM, GRANT YOUNGMAN wrote:
>
>> This is one of the things that has always bugged me about internal rig
>> keyers (Elecraft included).  And as as result, I?ve almost never used
>> them.  I?ve been using an Accu-Keyer (or emulator) for so long that nothing
>> else is comfortable.
>>
>> I moved from my original home brewed Accu-Keyer (which I still have,
>> refuse to part with,  and occasionally use) to the enhanced Accu-Memory
>> version, to an MM-3 (with emulation ? and still one of the best stand-alone
>> keyers ever made) to the Idiom Press CMOS 4 (with emulation) because of its
>> small form factor.
>>
>> It seems that something as basic as Accu-Keyer timing with auto-character
>> (and even auto-word) space isn?t exactly ?rocket science?.  So how about it
>> Elecraft?   Accu-Keyer emulation would make a better than run-of-the-mill
>> update!!  For the K3, KX3, KX2.  And I wouldn?t have to carry the CMOS 4 in
>> my KX3 bag or fiddle with more cables on the table with the K3.  I?m
>> probably not alone here, given the popularity of the Accu-Keyer.  I can
>> send better CW with a bug than I can with paddles and an electronic keyer
>> that lacks ACS.  Maybe it?s my (old) age or just practice ...  :-)
>>
>> But - it didn't have auto character spacing which came out with the WB4VVF
>>> Accu-Keyer (hint-hint - so it's not OT after all).
>>>
>>> Grant NQ5T
>> K3 #2091, KX3 #8342
>>
>>
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From ron at cobi.biz  Sun May 21 22:44:46 2017
From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire)
Date: Sun, 21 May 2017 19:44:46 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K2/100 overheating?
In-Reply-To: <368ff735-f94d-a25c-1a4c-8873bf1d3b75@embarqmail.com>
References: <852559271.1793260.1495195271738@mail.yahoo.com>	<caf8e0e3-f0d0-c5b1-98a8-86193cc5b176@embarqmail.com>	<1495380389901-7630883.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<368ff735-f94d-a25c-1a4c-8873bf1d3b75@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <000301d2d2a5$605a67a0$210f36e0$@biz>

Don: I guess you never noticed my response to Ken that I posted last Friday.
The fan moves air INTO the K2, across the PA and it comes out around the
heat sink fins near the front of the K2, just as George said.

I suggested Ken contact you after he determined that he had in fact set the
bias current correctly and the fan was operating correctly because you work
on K2s quite often. It's been five years since mine was apart!  

73, Ron AC7AC

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Don
Wilhelm
Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2017 6:19 PM
To: George Winship, NC5G; elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K2/100 overheating?

George,

I will check the fan air flow direction tomorrow because I am uncertain.
If you have the label out and the wires on the correct holes, yours is
likely OK.

There are 2 philosophies about the fan direction.  One is that you should
exhaust the heat and let the assembly draw cool air across the hot
components.

The other says to let the fan "blow" on the hot components.
The major difference between the two is that a blower fan adds heat to the
air (due to the work produced by the fan), but adds the benefit of directing
the air flow to the area to be cooled.
An exhaust fan does not add its work product heat to the air being moved,
but the cool air cannot be directed as well because it is spread over a
large area in the enclosure box.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 5/21/2017 11:26 AM, George Winship, NC5G wrote:
> Interesting. I built my K2/100 about 17 years ago and the fan has always
> drawn air into the cabinet and exhausted over the heatsink. So, I
rechecked
> the manual and disassembled my rig to check for proper assembly. Fan label
> is facing out and wires are soldered to the right pads(red=+, black=-).
Was
> there maybe a change in later models?
> 
> 73, George
> 
> 
> 
> Make certain the fan is mounted with the label out and that the red wire
> is in the +hole and the black one in the -hole.
> The fan should exhaust the hot air.  Cooler air flows in at the front of
> the heatsink.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --
> View this message in context:
http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K2-100-overheating-tp7630828p7630883.ht
ml
> Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
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From ron at cobi.biz  Sun May 21 22:50:11 2017
From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire)
Date: Sun, 21 May 2017 19:50:11 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Hallicrafters HA-1
In-Reply-To: <fc10b716-8cbc-0fc6-5e28-1155c2c1e819@triconet.org>
References: <BN6PR15MB1411057C974359FC868F2697CFE10@BN6PR15MB1411.namprd15.prod.outlook.com>	<1494875574932-7630657.post@n2.nabble.com>	<8A90BA63-98AF-4FB5-8913-AF02E30951A3@gmail.com>
	<fc10b716-8cbc-0fc6-5e28-1155c2c1e819@triconet.org>
Message-ID: <000401d2d2a6$225f22f0$671d68d0$@biz>

Are you using Mode B? I believe the Elecraft rigs default to A which is the Curtiss system. It drives me nuts but Mode B works beautifully on this "Accu-keyer" operator. 

BTW, in the Boy Scouts I tried unsuccessfully to decode by sight. Guess I was no better than the guy on the Carpathia who was unable to decode "This is the Titanic. Come quickly. We are sinking". He finally decided the mast light was defective. 

73, Ron AC7AC



-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Wes Stewart
Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2017 6:05 PM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Hallicrafters HA-1

I'm approaching my 60th year in ham radio and have a confession; I learned Morse with my Boy Scout Handbook (still have it) by sight not sound.  Consequently, I've never been a very good CW op, although I have a 20 WPM Extra license.  As a Novice I used a Western Electric "Pole-Changer" straight key given to me by a non-ham retired telegrapher friend, (That's still on the operating desk).  I never even tried a bug, but when I built my first Accu-Keyer I finally had some help.  I used it with a number of rigs and when the Accu-Memory came out I was in heaven.

I build two of them at first and gave one to my friend George Badger, W6TC, who liked it too.  Then I built a third one for the heart of my meteor scatter/EME station.  With several handfulls of TTL logic I added a timer/sequencer that used the power line as a time base to automatically control the station on the various sequences used for MS and EME. Preamp switching/relay delay, TX delay, etc were all timed by the keyer and the "canned" messages were in memory.  All I had to do was listen and select the next message as the QSO progressed. (That one is still in my storage building too.)

Among its wonderful ergonomics the TS870 that I had before buying a K3 was an 
Accu-Keyer emulation.   I never had trouble sending CW with that rig.  Enter the 
K3 (and now a K3S).  I can't even send my call gracefully.  I was prepared to buy the Idiom Press unit when they went out of business.

I would love Accu-Keyer emulation in my K3s.

Wes  N7WS

On 5/15/2017 12:57 PM, GRANT YOUNGMAN wrote:
> This is one of the things that has always bugged me about internal rig keyers (Elecraft included).  And as as result, I?ve almost never used them.  I?ve been using an Accu-Keyer (or emulator) for so long that nothing else is comfortable.
>
> I moved from my original home brewed Accu-Keyer (which I still have, refuse to part with,  and occasionally use) to the enhanced Accu-Memory version, to an MM-3 (with emulation ? and still one of the best stand-alone keyers ever made) to the Idiom Press CMOS 4 (with emulation) because of its small form factor.
>
> It seems that something as basic as Accu-Keyer timing with auto-character (and even auto-word) space isn?t exactly ?rocket science?.  So how about it Elecraft?   Accu-Keyer emulation would make a better than run-of-the-mill update!!  For the K3, KX3, KX2.  And I wouldn?t have to carry the CMOS 4 in my KX3 bag or fiddle with more cables on the table with the K3.  I?m probably not alone here, given the popularity of the Accu-Keyer.  I can send better CW with a bug than I can with paddles and an electronic keyer that lacks ACS.  Maybe it?s my (old) age or just practice ...  :-)
>
>> But - it didn't have auto character spacing which came out with the 
>> WB4VVF Accu-Keyer (hint-hint - so it's not OT after all).
>>
> Grant NQ5T
> K3 #2091, KX3 #8342
>

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From nr4c at widomaker.com  Sun May 21 23:01:38 2017
From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c)
Date: Sun, 21 May 2017 23:01:38 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft T1 doesn't tune nor read power levels
In-Reply-To: <1495387754309-7630887.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1495387754309-7630887.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <BBAAF294-44EA-49C3-9B5F-DEDC5CAB475B@widomaker.com>

Motors?

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill


> On May 21, 2017, at 1:29 PM, IU6ASS <5battaglione.servizi at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Couple of weeks ago i got my hands on a used rig, an FT817D plus an Elecraft
> T1 tuner. The tuner worked fine until yesterday, doing the autotuning at
> band change and tuning when pressing the "tune" button.
> 
> But now when i press the tune button or switch between bands and transmit
> within the flashing green LED, the tuner stands still, not cycling thru the
> relays to find the best match, as like it's not connected to an RF source at
> all.
> 
> Thanks to the CAT cable, when i switch bands on the radio, the T1 it still
> does the same, and still retains the last stored SWR match saved on the
> various bands, but if i switch to another antenna and try to tune, as
> mentioned, it does not tune.
> 
> I tried tuning in CW, AM, FM, talking over SSB, but to no avail, the tuning
> does not starts.
> 
> I tried switching to a new battery, same effects.
> 
> I tried to listen to the slow CW Info, but not much information.
> 
> I decided to open the T1 and eventually check for cracked solder joints and
> aside from fatigue ones on the BNCs that i could solder easily, nothing out
> of the ordinary came out to my eyes.
> 
> Any idea from more expert minds?
> 
> 
> 
> --
> View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Elecraft-T1-doesn-t-tune-nor-read-power-levels-tp7630887.html
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From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Sun May 21 23:04:38 2017
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sun, 21 May 2017 23:04:38 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K2/100 overheating?
In-Reply-To: <000301d2d2a5$605a67a0$210f36e0$@biz>
References: <852559271.1793260.1495195271738@mail.yahoo.com>
	<caf8e0e3-f0d0-c5b1-98a8-86193cc5b176@embarqmail.com>
	<1495380389901-7630883.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<368ff735-f94d-a25c-1a4c-8873bf1d3b75@embarqmail.com>
	<000301d2d2a5$605a67a0$210f36e0$@biz>
Message-ID: <60f7022d-9af3-e733-abf0-b7cc906bee95@embarqmail.com>

Ron,

My memory of the fan direction may be faulty, and I have responded.  I 
will check tomorrow.
I have just returned from Dayton (over 500 mile drive), so pardon me if 
I am a bit "groggy".  I will resolve all that tomorrow.

I did respond to George while I was at Dayton.  Yes, there are other 
situations that could produce those problems - usually those ate 
accociated with the T/R switch area.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 5/21/2017 10:44 PM, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote:
> Don: I guess you never noticed my response to Ken that I posted last Friday.
> The fan moves air INTO the K2, across the PA and it comes out around the
> heat sink fins near the front of the K2, just as George said.
>
> I suggested Ken contact you after he determined that he had in fact set the
> bias current correctly and the fan was operating correctly because you work
> on K2s quite often. It's been five years since mine was apart!
>
> 73, Ron AC7AC
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Don
> Wilhelm
> Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2017 6:19 PM
> To: George Winship, NC5G; elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K2/100 overheating?
>
> George,
>
> I will check the fan air flow direction tomorrow because I am uncertain.
> If you have the label out and the wires on the correct holes, yours is
> likely OK.
>
> There are 2 philosophies about the fan direction.  One is that you should
> exhaust the heat and let the assembly draw cool air across the hot
> components.
>
> The other says to let the fan "blow" on the hot components.
> The major difference between the two is that a blower fan adds heat to the
> air (due to the work produced by the fan), but adds the benefit of directing
> the air flow to the area to be cooled.
> An exhaust fan does not add its work product heat to the air being moved,
> but the cool air cannot be directed as well because it is spread over a
> large area in the enclosure box.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 5/21/2017 11:26 AM, George Winship, NC5G wrote:
>> Interesting. I built my K2/100 about 17 years ago and the fan has always
>> drawn air into the cabinet and exhausted over the heatsink. So, I
> rechecked
>> the manual and disassembled my rig to check for proper assembly. Fan label
>> is facing out and wires are soldered to the right pads(red=+, black=-).
> Was
>> there maybe a change in later models?
>>
>> 73, George
>>
>>
>>
>> Make certain the fan is mounted with the label out and that the red wire
>> is in the +hole and the black one in the -hole.
>> The fan should exhaust the hot air.  Cooler air flows in at the front of
>> the heatsink.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> View this message in context:
> http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K2-100-overheating-tp7630828p7630883.ht
> ml
>> Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
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From wes_n7ws at triconet.org  Sun May 21 23:15:26 2017
From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes Stewart)
Date: Sun, 21 May 2017 20:15:26 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Hallicrafters HA-1
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AFAIK, at the time I was looking, they were out of business.  I know that Ham 
Supply bought the product line. Now owning a K-Pod that finally works, I have 
less need for the memories in the Idiom unit, although the hand keying issue 
remains.  I was trying to downsize and really don't want another box on the desk.

Wes  N7WS

On 5/21/2017 6:44 PM, Kevin - K4VD wrote:
> Is Idiom Press out of business? I thought they just changed their name: 
> https://www.hamsupply.com. Hamsupply.com has the Logikey K-5 Electronic Keyer 
> <https://www.hamsupply.com/logikey-k-5-keyer/> with Accukeyer emulation. I use 
> one - not so much any more - but still have it anyway. Wonderful keyer. Not 
> sure if this is the one you're referring to though.
>
> 73,
> Kev K4VD
>
> On Sun, May 21, 2017 at 9:04 PM, Wes Stewart <wes_n7ws at triconet.org 
> <mailto:wes_n7ws at triconet.org>> wrote:
>
>     I'm approaching my 60th year in ham radio and have a confession; I learned
>     Morse with my Boy Scout Handbook (still have it) by sight not sound. 
>     Consequently, I've never been a very good CW op, although I have a 20 WPM
>     Extra license.  As a Novice I used a Western Electric "Pole-Changer"
>     straight key given to me by a non-ham retired telegrapher friend, (That's
>     still on the operating desk).  I never even tried a bug, but when I built
>     my first Accu-Keyer I finally had some help.  I used it with a number of
>     rigs and when the Accu-Memory came out I was in heaven.
>
>     I build two of them at first and gave one to my friend George Badger,
>     W6TC, who liked it too.  Then I built a third one for the heart of my
>     meteor scatter/EME station.  With several handfulls of TTL logic I added a
>     timer/sequencer that used the power line as a time base to automatically
>     control the station on the various sequences used for MS and EME. Preamp
>     switching/relay delay, TX delay, etc were all timed by the keyer and the
>     "canned" messages were in memory.  All I had to do was listen and select
>     the next message as the QSO progressed. (That one is still in my storage
>     building too.)
>
>     Among its wonderful ergonomics the TS870 that I had before buying a K3 was
>     an Accu-Keyer emulation.   I never had trouble sending CW with that rig. 
>     Enter the K3 (and now a K3S).  I can't even send my call gracefully.  I
>     was prepared to buy the Idiom Press unit when they went out of business.
>
>     I would love Accu-Keyer emulation in my K3s.
>
>     Wes  N7WS
>
>     On 5/15/2017 12:57 PM, GRANT YOUNGMAN wrote:
>
>         This is one of the things that has always bugged me about internal rig
>         keyers (Elecraft included).  And as as result, I?ve almost never used
>         them.  I?ve been using an Accu-Keyer (or emulator) for so long that
>         nothing else is comfortable.
>
>         I moved from my original home brewed Accu-Keyer (which I still have,
>         refuse to part with,  and occasionally use) to the enhanced
>         Accu-Memory version, to an MM-3 (with emulation ? and still one of the
>         best stand-alone keyers ever made) to the Idiom Press CMOS 4 (with
>         emulation) because of its small form factor.
>
>         It seems that something as basic as Accu-Keyer timing with
>         auto-character (and even auto-word) space isn?t exactly ?rocket
>         science?.  So how about it Elecraft?   Accu-Keyer emulation would make
>         a better than run-of-the-mill update!!  For the K3, KX3, KX2.  And I
>         wouldn?t have to carry the CMOS 4 in my KX3 bag or fiddle with more
>         cables on the table with the K3.  I?m probably not alone here, given
>         the popularity of the Accu-Keyer.  I can send better CW with a bug
>         than I can with paddles and an electronic keyer that lacks ACS.  Maybe
>         it?s my (old) age or just practice ...  :-)
>
>             But - it didn't have auto character spacing which came out with
>             the WB4VVF
>             Accu-Keyer (hint-hint - so it's not OT after all).
>
>         Grant NQ5T
>         K3 #2091, KX3 #8342
>
>
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From k2vco.vic at gmail.com  Sun May 21 23:31:57 2017
From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP)
Date: Mon, 22 May 2017 06:31:57 +0300
Subject: [Elecraft] BL2 -- Antenna Balun Usage
In-Reply-To: <6F534F0A-3A67-4D82-B836-EFE415006478@mac.com>
References: <6F534F0A-3A67-4D82-B836-EFE415006478@mac.com>
Message-ID: <fc4bc7a5-3db0-b4a5-9369-f394a73f902e@gmail.com>

Balun ratings are for a 1:1 SWR. My experience has been that when the 
impedance gets very reactive, baluns heat up more. I had a 5 kW DXE 
balun get too hot to touch with around 1 kW in such a situation. 
Canceling the reactance on the open-wire line side of the balun made it 
run cool.

Measuring the impedance of an open line with an antenna analyzer is 
tricky. If you use a balun, it will act as an extra piece of 
transmission line and transform the impedance. I tried to do it without 
a balun with an Autek VA1 (battery operated) sitting on a plastic stand 
-- it was difficult to adjust and I didn't feel the results were reliable.

What you can do if you know the length of the feedline and the details 
of the antenna accurately is to use EZNEC to get the impedance at the 
feedpoint and then TLW or a similar program to compute what it will look 
like at the shack end of the feedline. This worked for me.

73,
Victor, 4X6GP
Rehovot, Israel
Formerly K2VCO
http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/


Vic

On 21 May 2017 21:00, Phil Hystad wrote:
> I am assuming that a question about the Elecraft BL2 is On-Topic (OT)
> as opposed to Off-Topic (OT)?
>
> I am planning to use my BL2 to measure the impedance of my
> antenna+feedline at the point of entry into my balun (DX Engineering)
> which then feeds coax to my K-Line.
>
> The feedline is 450 ohm ladder (window style).  The antenna is an
> 80-meter, 136 feet, antenna up in the air about 50 to 60 feet.
>
> I have two antenna analyzers and I will likely use both of them to
> see the difference.  I will connect the 450-ohm feed line to the
> balanced side and a BNC to UHF adapter for attaching to my antenna
> analyzer [ (1) MFJ 259B, (2) Autek Research VA1].
>
> Questions:
>
> (1) How much difference would I expect in using the balun verses
> measuring the balanced line directly with my antenna analyzers
> (actually, I plan to do both but wondering if anyone else has done
> this with what results).
>
> (2) I bought the BL2 for this particular purpose as it is switchable
> between 1:1 and 4:1 transformations.  I wanted to figure out which
> would be best to use, a 1:1 or a 4:1 balun (DX Engineering and I have
> one of each).  Due to the location of the balun (DX Engineering that
> is) it is easier for me to do this measurement first before
> physically replacing the one balun with the other.  Right now, I am
> using a 4:1 balun.
>
> A third un-related (to above) question:  The BL2 is rated for maximum
> of 250 watts.  What are the bad effects of pushing more than 250
> watts through the device, I mean a lot more like double or triple.
> My guess is that the ferrite transformer will overheat causing
> possibly run-away thermal non-linear changes to the transforming.
> What else will likely happen?
>
> 73, phil, K7PEH
>
>
>
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From vk5zm at bistre.net  Mon May 22 01:55:27 2017
From: vk5zm at bistre.net (Matthew Cook)
Date: Mon, 22 May 2017 15:25:27 +0930
Subject: [Elecraft] Hex Beam
In-Reply-To: <A4182BF7-AE4C-4D1A-AD3F-84E00F8152D2@law.du.edu>
References: <A4182BF7-AE4C-4D1A-AD3F-84E00F8152D2@law.du.edu>
Message-ID: <CAE+2d_3QZQPOieOwErze6KMBmeDi=Pc_B3O791JYWYRnVAC84w@mail.gmail.com>

I'd go and visit Leo K4KIO's webiste, there you will find much inspiration.

http://www.k4kio.com/gallery/#prettyPhoto[gallery]/28/

73

Matthew
VK5ZM

On 20 May 2017 at 23:35, Dauer, Edward <edauer at law.du.edu> wrote:

> Recent posts on the hex beam sent me off to look further into it.  I found
> what I think is an  excellent discussion at http://www.karinya.net/g3txq/
> hexbeam/
>
> Anyone know a source for support construction notes or ideas for a
> portable application?
>
> Ted, KN1CBR
>
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From Gary at ka1j.com  Mon May 22 03:38:42 2017
From: Gary at ka1j.com (Gary Smith)
Date: Mon, 22 May 2017 03:38:42 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Hallicrafters HA-1
In-Reply-To: <DD353540-B3C9-4410-8244-CF6C87FB84F1@gmail.com>
References: <BN6PR15MB1411057C974359FC868F2697CFE10@BN6PR15MB1411.namprd15.prod.outlook.com>,
	<fc10b716-8cbc-0fc6-5e28-1155c2c1e819@triconet.org>,
	<DD353540-B3C9-4410-8244-CF6C87FB84F1@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <59229582.32203.4DABAEA@Gary.ka1j.com>

Folks,

I saw this topic now includes Idiom Press 
and am compelled to add  to the 
discussion. I'll keep it short.

Idiom Press was a set of words that made 
my blood boil. I had sent them money, a 
small amount of cash for a rotor LED 
illuminator. I had sent cash because I 
have only been burned once by a Ham sale 
and all other Ham transactions have been 
of integrity. They acknowledged receipt 
and never sent a thing, later after 
sending them a letter so far beneath me, I 
got a reply from one of the two original 
owners who said they were reorganizing and 
would send it to me. It never came and I 
left a scathing review on one of the forum 
reviews and I wrote off the money as 
theft.

Please keep reading.

Several years later I received an email 
from a ham saying he had bought Idiom 
Press and read my review. He had nothing 
to do with Idiom at that earlier time but 
wanted to make good as it now was his 
integrity that would be affected by the 
previous owner's mistakes. He wanted proof 
I had sent to them and he would send the 
part to me ASAP. Having sent cash I had 
nothing, I informed him of that and he 
accepted that as my word. He sent me the 
illuminator immediately and this at a loss 
to him personally.

I mention this for any who heard of the 
horrible way Idiom used to be,they are now 
a company I am completely in appreciation 
of. The new owner is a genuine Ham with a 
genuine work ethic. Anything I need that 
they sell, I will happily buy from them. 
They are not what they were.

Hope  that wasn't too long.

73,

Gary
KA1J

> Theoretically, you can still buy the CMOS 4 and other Idiom Press
> products from these guys:  https://www.hamsupply.com/cmos-4-keyer/
> <https://www.hamsupply.com/cmos-4-keyer/>
> 
> 
> > I would love Accu-Keyer emulation in my K3s.
> 
> So would I.  In the K3 and KX3 (and KX2 since I?m thinking about
> purchasing one) 
> 
> Grant NQ5T
> K3 #2091, KX3 #8342


From graziano at roccon.com  Mon May 22 06:13:47 2017
From: graziano at roccon.com (Graziano Roccon)
Date: Mon, 22 May 2017 12:13:47 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 smeter not showing RF Power
Message-ID: <445991775.39060.1495448027704@pim.register.it>

Hello,

a friend of mine have an Elecraft K2, always working perfectly.
Yesterday, without any apparently motivation, the smeter stop to show RF Power level during transmit.

The K2 emit power without problem and the external wattmeter show the right power.
The smeter is working in RX, but not working in TX.
The K2 is mainly used in CW, so the switch button RF/ALC is not working.

Any ideas ?

Thanks a lot, graziano IW2NOY

From eric at elecraft.com  Mon May 22 06:29:42 2017
From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz WA6HHQ - Elecraft)
Date: Mon, 22 May 2017 06:29:42 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Hallicrafters HA-1
In-Reply-To: <59229582.32203.4DABAEA@Gary.ka1j.com>
References: <BN6PR15MB1411057C974359FC868F2697CFE10@BN6PR15MB1411.namprd15.prod.outlook.com>
	<fc10b716-8cbc-0fc6-5e28-1155c2c1e819@triconet.org>
	<DD353540-B3C9-4410-8244-CF6C87FB84F1@gmail.com>
	<59229582.32203.4DABAEA@Gary.ka1j.com>
Message-ID: <5E546FB6-BE5B-4BAD-A673-B70466729143@elecraft.com>

And with the last good posting, let's close the thread. (I would have closed it earlier, except we were working 18hr days at Dayton.)

Also, for everyone else, complaining about other vendors is a huge violation of Elecraft list policy. Please make those complaints elsewhere. Its too afar from our core list topics and also too easy to harm good vendors with inaccurate and outdated information and hearsay.

Of course It is still OK to post complaints about Elecraft (hopefully few! ;-) as we want to hear those so we can remedy the problems quickly. 

73,
Eric
Moderator etc. 
elecraft.com
---
Sent from my iPhone 6S as I wake up on my 6am flight home from Dayton..

From roneymonte at gmail.com  Mon May 22 09:13:27 2017
From: roneymonte at gmail.com (roney)
Date: Mon, 22 May 2017 10:13:27 -0300
Subject: [Elecraft] K1 and DMM resistance checks
Message-ID: <CA+zAx0u48ptr=5km9Ma8rGnTrt33WYN32inPV5iEDM3uQJrgWQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hello, I'm just building my first K1.

Everything is going right, I had already build the filter board, the front
panel, and now in main board.

I have a question about resistance checks using DMM:

- Every time when the manual says that in some point the resistance must be
> 100K, my multimeter shows 1, just like there was no resistance. Is that
right ?

For all other resistance checks in specific values or ranges, it's working
as expected.

I just need to solve this doubt in order to proceed.
(now I'm on page 29 from manual)

Thanks and 73
Roney Monte (PY1ZB)

From va3mw at portcredit.net  Mon May 22 09:30:57 2017
From: va3mw at portcredit.net (Michael Walker)
Date: Mon, 22 May 2017 09:30:57 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Choking KPA500 and testing a box of unknown chokes
Message-ID: <CA+33ts7Y0fu7uVcMG-7B9ixvBCS4qnaQ+5TZK_iBaF4P2gEikA@mail.gmail.com>

All

I am doing some work on a box of chokes I received and I am trying to
figure out just exactly what mix they are.

Since I run a remote station, I choke everything.  I know the chokes I buy
and what they are, but it is the unknown box that needs testing.

I have a tracking generator, so I am trying to figure out  a test jig.  Do
I just wrap the choke in fleedline, have a common ground and then use the
shield of the feedline to feed my signal over looking for the attenuation
on the receiving end of the generator?

Thoughts?

Mike va3mw

From valvetbone at gmail.com  Mon May 22 09:37:26 2017
From: valvetbone at gmail.com (Art Hejduk)
Date: Mon, 22 May 2017 09:37:26 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K1 and DMM resistance checks
In-Reply-To: <CA+zAx0u48ptr=5km9Ma8rGnTrt33WYN32inPV5iEDM3uQJrgWQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+zAx0u48ptr=5km9Ma8rGnTrt33WYN32inPV5iEDM3uQJrgWQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+AYhtHc4gU-UamU4GHju19nnRfh+O1Drea0u-oy0E2e5BBPnw@mail.gmail.com>

Roney,

If it is an auto-ranging meter, it is okay.  1 just means open, which is
greater than 100k ohms.  If it is not an auto-ranging meter, make sure you
select a range that will measure at least up to 100k ohms.  Again, 1 would
be okay.

73,
Art  WB8ENE

On Mon, May 22, 2017 at 9:13 AM, roney <roneymonte at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello, I'm just building my first K1.
>
> Everything is going right, I had already build the filter board, the front
> panel, and now in main board.
>
> I have a question about resistance checks using DMM:
>
> - Every time when the manual says that in some point the resistance must be
> > 100K, my multimeter shows 1, just like there was no resistance. Is that
> right ?
>
> For all other resistance checks in specific values or ranges, it's working
> as expected.
>
> I just need to solve this doubt in order to proceed.
> (now I'm on page 29 from manual)
>
> Thanks and 73
> Roney Monte (PY1ZB)
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From irmalinas73 at gmail.com  Mon May 22 10:26:14 2017
From: irmalinas73 at gmail.com (Irma & Linas(LY2H))
Date: Mon, 22 May 2017 14:26:14 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] T1 doesn't tune nor read power levels
In-Reply-To: <mailman.39075.1495459885.7384.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
References: <mailman.39075.1495459885.7384.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID: <CA+SkHY6=q7Uz9aBFKptqtWvuDxkJS45MEVv9yD+m6msr7RvxKg@mail.gmail.com>

Please check the D1/D2 chain, replace if necessary . I had the similar
problem, Elecraft support advised me to do this.
More info and the schematics on my Facebook page LY2H.

73 Linas LY2H


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Bcc:
Date: Sun, 21 May 2017 23:01:38 -0400
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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft T1 doesn't tune nor read power levels
Motors?

From fcady at montana.edu  Mon May 22 10:57:38 2017
From: fcady at montana.edu (Cady, Fred)
Date: Mon, 22 May 2017 14:57:38 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Macro Question
In-Reply-To: <CY4PR1201MB02614D0D2A73295961A72A5E96FB0@CY4PR1201MB0261.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
References: <CY4PR1201MB02614D0D2A73295961A72A5E96FB0@CY4PR1201MB0261.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CY4PR02MB31416CF3ABF32CB02D1984DAAFF80@CY4PR02MB3141.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>

Hi Roger,

You might try using MN255; to exit the menus instead of SWT09;

Cheers,

Fred KE7X


For all KE7X Elecraft books, see www.ke7x.com<http://www.ke7x.com>




________________________________
From: Elecraft <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> on behalf of Roger Meadows <romeadows1 at outlook.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2017 5:44 PM
To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] Macro Question

I have two macros. One to turn off MICBIAS and MIC BTN. The second to turn MICBIAS back on and set MIC BTN to Ptt UP.dn.

The first one works fine:
MN135;MP000;MN082;MP000;SWT09;
MN135 sets MICBIAS off and MN082 sets MIC BTN off. SWT09 exits the menu

When I go to set them back I use:
MN135;MP016;MN082;MP004;SWT09;
MN135, bit 4 sets MICBIAS back on. MN082, bit 2 sets Ptt UP.dn. SWT09 exits menu.

When I go to use the mic, it does not work. When I look at the menu items they are set correctly. To get the mic to work, I have to toggle MIC BTN manually. Once I do that everything is fine.

Anyone have any idea if I?m doing something wrong or I am missing something (probably something simple).

Thanks,
Roger
AE4RM


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From alsopb at comcast.net  Mon May 22 10:59:49 2017
From: alsopb at comcast.net (brian)
Date: Mon, 22 May 2017 14:59:49 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] OT- Self testing GFCI RFI?
Message-ID: <5922FCE5.30406@comcast.net>

I had to replace an GFCI.

All the types at Lowes and Home Depot (both arc fault and not) had a 
self test feature.

One brand said it tested every 3 seconds.  The other was non-specific 
even in the attached flier.

Wonder if the 3 second testing type could be a source of RFI?

I bought a Leviton non arc fault one that was non-specific on the 
frequency of test.  It seems RFI quiet.

73 de Brian/K3KO


From ai7r at mac.com  Mon May 22 12:20:09 2017
From: ai7r at mac.com (Dave Kelley)
Date: Mon, 22 May 2017 09:20:09 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Feature request
Message-ID: <1E18F9F8-0AB8-4492-B073-F73D4F35C6F7@mac.com>

Greetings!

I hope this is the place to suggest new features.

I?d love to see a variable ?course? tuning of the VFO based on the speed it is tuned.  For example, if I?m in the CW band and want to move to SSB I?d like to simply tune quicker than usual and have the VFO switch to course tuning until I slow back down or stop.  The Course/Fine button would still be used for manual override and default setting.  It would save the time of pressing and holding the ?course? button, tuning, and then tapping that button again to go back to normal tune.

ICOM and a few other radio makers have had this feature for a long time.  And honestly, it?s the ONLY feature I miss on my KX3 and K3S.

Thanks and 72/73

Dave
AI7R

From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Mon May 22 12:27:13 2017
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Mon, 22 May 2017 09:27:13 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Choking KPA500 and testing a box of unknown chokes
In-Reply-To: <CA+33ts7Y0fu7uVcMG-7B9ixvBCS4qnaQ+5TZK_iBaF4P2gEikA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+33ts7Y0fu7uVcMG-7B9ixvBCS4qnaQ+5TZK_iBaF4P2gEikA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6a2979fb-711c-685a-8197-b638d8710116@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On Mon,5/22/2017 6:30 AM, Michael Walker wrote:
> I have a tracking generator, so I am trying to figure out  a test jig.  Do
> I just wrap the choke in fleedline, have a common ground and then use the
> shield of the feedline to feed my signal over looking for the attenuation
> on the receiving end of the generator?

Nothing like that. Study k9yc.com/RFI-Ham.pdf and the slides for a talk 
on coax chokes at k9yc.com/publish.htm  Lots of detail there.

73, Jim K9YC



From Mike at crv.com  Mon May 22 12:49:25 2017
From: Mike at crv.com (Mike Zak)
Date: Mon, 22 May 2017 16:49:25 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] K3/0-Mini
Message-ID: <8C794336-E97B-47F1-A372-50B572D134E8@crv.com>

I?ve searched through the archives and found nothing, time to seek the wisdom of crowds.

I use a K3/0-Mini and the ergonomics are a challenge.  Because of the design, its center of gravity, and the deployment of the bail, the front panel lies far too flat for me.  This makes it hard to adjust settings, and also provides a challenge in reading the display.  I prop it up on my station table with a jerry-built solution but would love something more stable.  In 2014 these issues were raised by DH8BQA but I was unable to find any suggestions of remedies.  Has anyone come up with a solution for this?  I wish I had my K3/0 back, but I sold it and it?s gone.

TU,

Mike, W1MU

From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Mon May 22 12:58:52 2017
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Mon, 22 May 2017 12:58:52 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K1 and DMM resistance checks
In-Reply-To: <CA+zAx0u48ptr=5km9Ma8rGnTrt33WYN32inPV5iEDM3uQJrgWQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+zAx0u48ptr=5km9Ma8rGnTrt33WYN32inPV5iEDM3uQJrgWQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ebbb0bf2-7267-b3f3-e583-57e587460219@embarqmail.com>

Roney,

You are a bit confusing when you say "no resistance".
No resistance normally means zero ohms.
It seems your DMM is responding normally to an infinite resistance.
If the reading is the same as your DMM reads with nothing connected to 
the leads, that is a resistance higher than your DMM can read.  Increase 
the scale.

If the manual indicates >100k (greater than 100k) then infinite 
resistance qualifies as good.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 5/22/2017 9:13 AM, roney wrote:

> I have a question about resistance checks using DMM:
> 
> - Every time when the manual says that in some point the resistance must be
>> 100K, my multimeter shows 1, just like there was no resistance. Is that
> right ?
> 

From ns9i at bayland.net  Mon May 22 13:28:20 2017
From: ns9i at bayland.net (dgb)
Date: Mon, 22 May 2017 12:28:20 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3/0-Mini
In-Reply-To: <8C794336-E97B-47F1-A372-50B572D134E8@crv.com>
References: <8C794336-E97B-47F1-A372-50B572D134E8@crv.com>
Message-ID: <627f4715-62d1-eaa5-01e0-5a651762cf6b@bayland.net>

I took a 1.5 x 1.5 x 4" scrap piece of structural foam and cut a small 
vee longitudinally in it for the bail to rest in. I found that height 
was just about right, just below the center of gravity, for it not to 
easily tip over on it's face.

Works great!

73 Dwight NS9I



On 5/22/2017 11:49 AM, Mike Zak wrote:
> I?ve searched through the archives and found nothing, time to seek the wisdom of crowds.
>
> I use a K3/0-Mini and the ergonomics are a challenge.  Because of the design, its center of gravity, and the deployment of the bail, the front panel lies far too flat for me.  This makes it hard to adjust settings, and also provides a challenge in reading the display.  I prop it up on my station table with a jerry-built solution but would love something more stable.  In 2014 these issues were raised by DH8BQA but I was unable to find any suggestions of remedies.  Has anyone come up with a solution for this?  I wish I had my K3/0 back, but I sold it and it?s gone.
>
> TU,
>
> Mike, W1MU
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From billincolo73 at gmail.com  Mon May 22 15:42:14 2017
From: billincolo73 at gmail.com (Bill Leonard N0CU)
Date: Mon, 22 May 2017 12:42:14 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] BL2 -- Antenna Balun Usage
In-Reply-To: <6F534F0A-3A67-4D82-B836-EFE415006478@mac.com>
References: <6F534F0A-3A67-4D82-B836-EFE415006478@mac.com>
Message-ID: <1495482134364-7631020.post@n2.nabble.com>

I am no expert when it comes to baluns, but here are several comments that
are based upon some research that I have recently done on the subject:

1) Now, unlike in the past, the most commonly used balun is the current
balun. Most current baluns use some type of transmission line (if they do,
they are called transmission line transformers). If the load on a balun?s
output does not represent a 1:1 SWR for the balun, the impedance measured at
the input of the balun will be close to the balun load impedance only when
the electrical length of the balun?s line is a multiple of an electrical
half wavelength. I suggest that you try putting 25 ohm and 100 ohm resistive
loads on your baluns and see what you measure at the input. The BL-2 uses a
relatively short length of coax (~12 in I believe), however, 12 in of RG58
will show 80+j33 at its input at 30 MHz when terminated with 100 ohms (using
TLW). My high power DXE 1:1 current choke (balun) has a much longer length
of coax than the BL-2. It reads 43 +j32 ohms at 30MHz with a 25 ohm load
(measured with a VNA 2180 network analyzer). If you can determine the length
and type of coax in the balun that you are using, you can use ARRL?s TLW
software to estimate what the actual balun load impedance is by inputting
the line parameters and the impedance you measure at the balun input.

2) What happens to balun performance as the SWR increases is a question that
I have yet to find an answer to. I am not aware of any balun manufacturer
that attempts to quantify this behavior with any spec. There seems to be
general agreement that baluns do not like highly reactive loads.

3) Balun heating is a complex issue that many ?experts? don?t agree on.
Looking at it simplistically, there are two sources of heating in current
baluns (voltage baluns are very different than current baluns when it comes
to heating). The first source of heating is the loss in the transmission
line used in the balun. If a short length of high quality coax is used, the
loss (ie, heating) should be relatively small. However, the confined space
and poor heat transfer in the balun housing could mean that even a small
amount of loss can be problematic in a poorly designed, high power balun.
What many ?experts? don?t realize is that the normal (differential mode)
signal flowing down the coax does not cause any heating in the ferrite core
in a current balun (this is not the case with a voltage balun). This is
because this signal is completely contained between the outer surface of the
center conductor and inner surface of the shield in the coax. What does
cause heating in a current balun is the common mode current flowing on the
outer surface of the shield on the coax used in the balun. This is the
unwanted current that the balun is intended to reduce. Also, a number of
articles claim that ferrite core temperatures can reach critical values
(where the core fails) well before the core saturates and thermal runaway
occurs.

4) Heating from common mode current is another area where the ?experts?
don?t agree. Heating due to common mode current is a function of transmitter
power, design of the balun (ie, type of core, core size/mix, style of balun,
heat transfer of housing, balun load impedance, etc) and the ?system? issues
that affect the balun?s performance. Depending on the values of the
important system parameters, adding a balun can either increase, decrease,
or have no effect upon the common mode current flowing on a transmission
line. The common mode current and the resistive component of the balun?s
common mode impedance are critical factors that determine the amount of
heating in the balun?s ferrite core. A surprising number of ?experts? make
claims for power handling capabilities of various types of baluns without
even mentioning the importance of these ?system? issues. Tom Rauch (W8JI)
and Tom Thompson (W0IVJ) have written articles that use EZNEC to
quantitatively show the importance of these ?system? issues when it comes to
estimating common mode currents on transmission lines. However, as
enlightening as these articles are, I am doubtful that EZNEC can be used to
accurately predict the common mode current in any given application. At this
point, given the difficulty of either measuring, or predicting, what the
common mode current will be in a given application, I have concluded that
the best way to evaluate core heating in a balun is to install it and test
it at the intended power level.

Hope this helps,

Bill N0CU
P.S.: an ?expert? is someone who may be wrong, but is never in doubt!




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From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Mon May 22 16:08:22 2017
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Mon, 22 May 2017 16:08:22 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Choking KPA500 and testing a box of unknown chokes
In-Reply-To: <CA+33ts7Y0fu7uVcMG-7B9ixvBCS4qnaQ+5TZK_iBaF4P2gEikA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+33ts7Y0fu7uVcMG-7B9ixvBCS4qnaQ+5TZK_iBaF4P2gEikA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <31cebd78-fb5e-3802-6a07-58960aa02eb7@embarqmail.com>

Mike,

You may be over-thinking it.

Wrap 10 turns around the core and measure its inductance.

 From that data, you can calculate the AL value.  Match that AL value 
against a chart of the values for various cores.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 5/22/2017 9:30 AM, Michael Walker wrote:
> All
> 
> I am doing some work on a box of chokes I received and I am trying to
> figure out just exactly what mix they are.
> 
> I have a tracking generator, so I am trying to figure out  a test jig.  Do
> I just wrap the choke in fleedline, have a common ground and then use the
> shield of the feedline to feed my signal over looking for the attenuation
> on the receiving end of the generator?
> 

From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Mon May 22 16:11:39 2017
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Mon, 22 May 2017 16:11:39 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 smeter not showing RF Power
In-Reply-To: <445991775.39060.1495448027704@pim.register.it>
References: <445991775.39060.1495448027704@pim.register.it>
Message-ID: <4d61f4a2-a457-51b1-f4ba-18c5f05423b4@embarqmail.com>

Graziano,

Does the DISPLAY button work normally?  If so, there is no problem with 
the button itself.
The difference between a tap and a hold is determined by the MCU.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 5/22/2017 6:13 AM, Graziano Roccon wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> a friend of mine have an Elecraft K2, always working perfectly.
> Yesterday, without any apparently motivation, the smeter stop to show RF Power level during transmit.
> 
> The K2 emit power without problem and the external wattmeter show the right power.
> The smeter is working in RX, but not working in TX.
> The K2 is mainly used in CW, so the switch button RF/ALC is not working.

From n7dxtango at gmail.com  Mon May 22 17:09:39 2017
From: n7dxtango at gmail.com (Gary Watson)
Date: Mon, 22 May 2017 21:09:39 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] For Sale K144XV and Directional Coupler
Message-ID: <CAAu8gRHTDq1N5UG=8JbRU312YmBeQPM89xFwBfuQ4oPTGhX0zw@mail.gmail.com>

If anyone is interested, I just posted my K144XV and V/U Directional
Coupler and a cat5  network switch on QRZ.com and QTH.com classified's.




Thanks for looking
Gary N7DXT

From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Mon May 22 17:11:32 2017
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Mon, 22 May 2017 14:11:32 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] BL2 -- Antenna Balun Usage
In-Reply-To: <1495482134364-7631020.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <6F534F0A-3A67-4D82-B836-EFE415006478@mac.com>
	<1495482134364-7631020.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <5f4f912f-dd5a-e057-fa7b-01445ecfa747@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On Mon,5/22/2017 12:42 PM, Bill Leonard N0CU wrote:
> I am no expert when it comes to baluns

You're not the only one. :)

Some important comments. First, PLEASE strike the word "balun" from your 
vocabulary. It is a meaningless word that tells us NOTHING about the 
device or circuit element it is used to describe. I can think of nearly 
a dozen VERY different devices that are CALLED baluns. Use the word 
"balun" conceals what the device actually is and prevents everyone 
involved from understanding what it does.

A two-wire line wound around a ferrite core forms a COMMON MODE CHOKE. 
It is not a "transmission line transformer," nor is it an inductor, nor 
is it a transformer at all! The ferrite core carries only flux due to 
common mode current, and loss in the choke is I squared R, where I is 
the common mode current and R is the resistive impedance of the common 
mode choke.

Arrays of common mode chokes CAN be wired in series/parallel 
combinations to match circuits of differing impedance, but that device 
is NOT a transformer, it is an array of common mode chokes. If we want 
to know how this array of chokes work, we must analyze them as arrays of 
common mode chokes, not as a transformer.

A transformer, is, by definition, two windings that are magnetically 
coupled, and the impedance transformation ratio is the square of the 
turns ratio. If we want to know how a transformer works, we must analyze 
it as a transformer. It's as simple as that. The ferrite core carries 
ALL of the flux, and thus all of the differential power carried by the 
circuit into which it is inserted.

In general, common mode chokes do NOT affect the differential signal, 
but there CAN be differential mode loss in the transmission line that 
forms the common mode choke due to transmission line effects. For 
example, if the common mode choke is inserted in a badly mismatched 
transmission line, there can excess loss due to SWR throughout the line, 
both in the part of the line that forms the choke and in the rest of the 
line. Below UHF, virtually all loss in real transmission lines is due to 
I square R; if the combination of the antenna and the line places a 
current maxima at the choke, that segment of the line can burn a high 
fraction of the transmitter power, greatly reducing the transmitter 
power that gets to the antenna and overheating (and frying) that segment 
of the line. N6BV wrote an excellent applications note about this for 
QST several years ago, to which I contributed.

It IS practical to model (predict) dissipation in a common mode choke 
using NEC. A single wire is added to the model with the geometry and 
physical connections of the transmission line, and the known (measured) 
impedance of the choke is added as a Load at the point where it is 
inserted in the system. NEC is then set to model with a defined 
transmitter output power (for example, 1,500W), and currents are 
computed. NEC then provides a readout of current at every point on every 
conductor, and the current in the choke is used to compute dissipation 
in the choke.

Tutorials at k9yc.com/publish.htm show a practical method for measuring 
the common mode impedance of ferrite chokes, and for determining values 
for a parallel equivalent circuit that can provide a good first 
approximation of dissipation.

73, Jim K9YC



From ron at cobi.biz  Mon May 22 17:42:58 2017
From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire)
Date: Mon, 22 May 2017 14:42:58 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] BL2 -- Antenna Balun Usage
In-Reply-To: <1495482134364-7631020.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <6F534F0A-3A67-4D82-B836-EFE415006478@mac.com>
	<1495482134364-7631020.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <001401d2d344$6148bf00$23da3d00$@biz>

It is useful to remember that a so-called "balun" is nothing more than a length of transmission line - most commonly parallel wires. The line needs to be long enough to have sufficient inductance to produce balanced currents at the terminated end. Greater inductance is achievable by winding the transmission line into a coil, and even more if that coil has a ferrite core. 

So, as Bill notes, the impedance it presents to the source (your rig) will vary based on the impedance of the load, just like any other transmission line. 

73, Ron AC7AC

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Bill Leonard N0CU
Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 12:42 PM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] BL2 -- Antenna Balun Usage

I am no expert when it comes to baluns, but here are several comments that are based upon some research that I have recently done on the subject:

1) Now, unlike in the past, the most commonly used balun is the current balun. Most current baluns use some type of transmission line (if they do, they are called transmission line transformers). If the load on a balun?s output does not represent a 1:1 SWR for the balun, the impedance measured at the input of the balun will be close to the balun load impedance only when the electrical length of the balun?s line is a multiple of an electrical half wavelength. I suggest that you try putting 25 ohm and 100 ohm resistive loads on your baluns and see what you measure at the input. The BL-2 uses a relatively short length of coax (~12 in I believe), however, 12 in of RG58 will show 80+j33 at its input at 30 MHz when terminated with 100 ohms (using TLW). My high power DXE 1:1 current choke (balun) has a much longer length of coax than the BL-2. It reads 43 +j32 ohms at 30MHz with a 25 ohm load (measured with a VNA 2180 network analyzer). If you can determine the length and type of coax in the balun that you are using, you can use ARRL?s TLW software to estimate what the actual balun load impedance is by inputting the line parameters and the impedance you measure at the balun input.

2) What happens to balun performance as the SWR increases is a question that I have yet to find an answer to. I am not aware of any balun manufacturer that attempts to quantify this behavior with any spec. There seems to be general agreement that baluns do not like highly reactive loads.

3) Balun heating is a complex issue that many ?experts? don?t agree on.
Looking at it simplistically, there are two sources of heating in current baluns (voltage baluns are very different than current baluns when it comes to heating). The first source of heating is the loss in the transmission line used in the balun. If a short length of high quality coax is used, the loss (ie, heating) should be relatively small. However, the confined space and poor heat transfer in the balun housing could mean that even a small amount of loss can be problematic in a poorly designed, high power balun.
What many ?experts? don?t realize is that the normal (differential mode) signal flowing down the coax does not cause any heating in the ferrite core in a current balun (this is not the case with a voltage balun). This is because this signal is completely contained between the outer surface of the center conductor and inner surface of the shield in the coax. What does cause heating in a current balun is the common mode current flowing on the outer surface of the shield on the coax used in the balun. This is the unwanted current that the balun is intended to reduce. Also, a number of articles claim that ferrite core temperatures can reach critical values (where the core fails) well before the core saturates and thermal runaway occurs.

4) Heating from common mode current is another area where the ?experts?
don?t agree. Heating due to common mode current is a function of transmitter power, design of the balun (ie, type of core, core size/mix, style of balun, heat transfer of housing, balun load impedance, etc) and the ?system? issues that affect the balun?s performance. Depending on the values of the important system parameters, adding a balun can either increase, decrease, or have no effect upon the common mode current flowing on a transmission line. The common mode current and the resistive component of the balun?s common mode impedance are critical factors that determine the amount of heating in the balun?s ferrite core. A surprising number of ?experts? make claims for power handling capabilities of various types of baluns without even mentioning the importance of these ?system? issues. Tom Rauch (W8JI) and Tom Thompson (W0IVJ) have written articles that use EZNEC to quantitatively show the importance of these ?system? issues when it comes to estimating common mode currents on transmission lines. However, as enlightening as these articles are, I am doubtful that EZNEC can be used to accurately predict the common mode current in any given application. At this point, given the difficulty of either measuring, or predicting, what the common mode current will be in a given application, I have concluded that the best way to evaluate core heating in a balun is to install it and test it at the intended power level.

Hope this helps,

Bill N0CU
P.S.: an ?expert? is someone who may be wrong, but is never in doubt!




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From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Mon May 22 19:25:15 2017
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Mon, 22 May 2017 16:25:15 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Choking KPA500 and testing a box of unknown chokes
In-Reply-To: <31cebd78-fb5e-3802-6a07-58960aa02eb7@embarqmail.com>
References: <CA+33ts7Y0fu7uVcMG-7B9ixvBCS4qnaQ+5TZK_iBaF4P2gEikA@mail.gmail.com>
	<31cebd78-fb5e-3802-6a07-58960aa02eb7@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <1daf8b4c-ab61-96d7-ac25-7ba18cfd0ca0@audiosystemsgroup.com>

This only works at low frequencies, well below resonance of the choke 
that you've wound.  AND -- it only yields the AL value at low 
frequencies. Many materials with very different mu and mu' curves have 
similar low frequency performance. Common mode chokes are used near 
resonance, which is far more difficult to measure accurately.

There's one rather practical way to identify #31 core material with a 
simple VOM. Measuring between two points on the core on a medium to high 
ohms scale should read resistance values in the range of 50K - 200 K 
ohms, because its bulk resistivity is fairly low. Most other materials 
have much greater bulk resistivity. This characteristic is shown in a 
table on early pages of the Fair-Rite catalog (downloadable from their 
website).

73, Jim K9YC

On Mon,5/22/2017 1:08 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
> Mike,
>
> You may be over-thinking it.
>
> Wrap 10 turns around the core and measure its inductance.
>
> From that data, you can calculate the AL value.  Match that AL value 
> against a chart of the values for various cores.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 5/22/2017 9:30 AM, Michael Walker wrote:
>> All
>>
>> I am doing some work on a box of chokes I received and I am trying to
>> figure out just exactly what mix they are.
>>
>> I have a tracking generator, so I am trying to figure out  a test 
>> jig.  Do
>> I just wrap the choke in fleedline, have a common ground and then use 
>> the
>> shield of the feedline to feed my signal over looking for the 
>> attenuation
>> on the receiving end of the generator?
>>
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From k1xx at k1xx.com  Mon May 22 20:55:48 2017
From: k1xx at k1xx.com (charlie carroll)
Date: Mon, 22 May 2017 20:55:48 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] kpa1500 pix
Message-ID: <f29a29cc-4288-b32c-1229-35ed7a0fe14c@k1xx.com>

Eric/Wayne:
Are there any pictures available showing the internals of the new amp 
and power supply?

73 charlie, k1xx

From ve3rrd at sympatico.ca  Mon May 22 20:57:51 2017
From: ve3rrd at sympatico.ca (Al Duncan VE3RRD)
Date: Mon, 22 May 2017 20:57:51 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] [KXPA100] PA goes to TX when KX3 set over 10W
Message-ID: <a9c216fd-4c38-d8d4-ca73-8156a092b88c@sympatico.ca>

I have noticed a problem with my KXPA100 since I upgraded the KX3 to 
v2.76/1.50 firmware. My KXPA100 (with built-in tuner) has had v1.39 
since it was released as production firmware.
When the KX3 is set to 10W or lower, the PA "ON" LED flashes slowly 
indicating that the PA is bypassed; but as soon as I increase power 
above 10W, the KXPA100 "TX" indicator goes on and the KX3 receive is 
muted (the KX3 is not transmitting).
When I check operation with the KXPA100 Utility, there are no faults 
indicated; and the Bypass mode clears above 10W (as it should).
I have reloaded the PA with v1.39 again but no change. Everything was 
working OK prior to upgrading my KX3 to v2.76/1.50
Has anyone else experienced this?   AL - VE3RRD

From drzarkof56 at yahoo.com  Mon May 22 22:39:09 2017
From: drzarkof56 at yahoo.com (Doug Millar)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2017 02:39:09 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] Transverter Interace Question
References: <1417368985.7471.1495507149476.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1417368985.7471.1495507149476@mail.yahoo.com>

I am trying to make a Kuhne 23cm transverter work with my K3 with a KXV3B transverter interface. I have it mostly set up on an IF of 28MHz? and as? transverter 2. The Kuhne wants a watt or so to drive it. The problem is that it looks like to get a watt out of the K3, I need to have it hooked up to the main antenna instead of the KXV3B. The problem I see is that if I forget that the transverter is hooked up to Ant 1 and go on HF it looks like I'll blow the transverter. 
?? The work around I have figured out so far is to use the transverter on Ant.2 and HF on Ant. 1, since the antenna is memorized on a per band basis, that might keep me out of trouble. This K3 is a spare and only rarely used on HF. 
??? Has anyone else figured out a different way? Will this work? Any other ideas? 
??? Thanks, Doug K6JEY
?Doug Millar 
K6JEY
drzarkof56 at yahoo.com
562 810 3989? cell/text

 

From wes_n7ws at triconet.org  Tue May 23 01:07:25 2017
From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes Stewart)
Date: Mon, 22 May 2017 22:07:25 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] BL2 -- Antenna Balun Usage
In-Reply-To: <5f4f912f-dd5a-e057-fa7b-01445ecfa747@audiosystemsgroup.com>
References: <6F534F0A-3A67-4D82-B836-EFE415006478@mac.com>
	<1495482134364-7631020.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<5f4f912f-dd5a-e057-fa7b-01445ecfa747@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Message-ID: <f438489b-b0b5-2f56-2573-1def693d9c2f@triconet.org>

PLEASE ignore all of Jim's pontification.

I find it curious that Terman ("Radio Engineering"), Kraus ("Antennas"), Johnson 
("Transmission Lines and Networks") all use the "meaningless" word "balun" in 
their books. Clearly, these guys should have consulted with Jim before doing so, 
because obviously they didn't know what they were talking about.

A transmission line transformer can be as simple as a geometric mean 
quarter-wave line between two different impedances.  No ferrites required.  A 
balun (pardon me, I'm with Kraus) can be a quarter-wave open stub at the 
feedpoint of an antenna.  Collins ("Fundamentals of SSB") calls this a 
"Bazooka-type balun", but what does Collins Radio know about anything?)  Or, it 
could be a half-wave line connecting the two halves of a dipole.  A stub balun 
can be both a balancing device and an impedance transformer at the same time.  
And it's nothing but coax.  A two-wire line wound around a core might be a 
common-mode choke, but if it's long enough and different in impedance from the 
load, then it's an impedance transformer too.

In summary, just removing the term balun from one's lexicon doesn't simplify 
anything.

And I almost forgot, that N6BV article Jim mentions is titled, "Don't blow up 
your BALUN."

Wes  N7WS



On 5/22/2017 2:11 PM, Jim Brown wrote:
> On Mon,5/22/2017 12:42 PM, Bill Leonard N0CU wrote:
>> I am no expert when it comes to baluns
>
> You're not the only one. :)
>
> Some important comments. First, PLEASE strike the word "balun" from your 
> vocabulary. It is a meaningless word that tells us NOTHING about the device or 
> circuit element it is used to describe. I can think of nearly a dozen VERY 
> different devices that are CALLED baluns. Use the word "balun" conceals what 
> the device actually is and prevents everyone involved from understanding what 
> it does.
>
> A two-wire line wound around a ferrite core forms a COMMON MODE CHOKE. It is 
> not a "transmission line transformer," nor is it an inductor, nor is it a 
> transformer at all! The ferrite core carries only flux due to common mode 
> current, and loss in the choke is I squared R, where I is the common mode 
> current and R is the resistive impedance of the common mode choke.
>
> Arrays of common mode chokes CAN be wired in series/parallel combinations to 
> match circuits of differing impedance, but that device is NOT a transformer, 
> it is an array of common mode chokes. If we want to know how this array of 
> chokes work, we must analyze them as arrays of common mode chokes, not as a 
> transformer.
>
> A transformer, is, by definition, two windings that are magnetically coupled, 
> and the impedance transformation ratio is the square of the turns ratio. If we 
> want to know how a transformer works, we must analyze it as a transformer. 
> It's as simple as that. The ferrite core carries ALL of the flux, and thus all 
> of the differential power carried by the circuit into which it is inserted.
>
> In general, common mode chokes do NOT affect the differential signal, but 
> there CAN be differential mode loss in the transmission line that forms the 
> common mode choke due to transmission line effects. For example, if the common 
> mode choke is inserted in a badly mismatched transmission line, there can 
> excess loss due to SWR throughout the line, both in the part of the line that 
> forms the choke and in the rest of the line. Below UHF, virtually all loss in 
> real transmission lines is due to I square R; if the combination of the 
> antenna and the line places a current maxima at the choke, that segment of the 
> line can burn a high fraction of the transmitter power, greatly reducing the 
> transmitter power that gets to the antenna and overheating (and frying) that 
> segment of the line. N6BV wrote an excellent applications note about this for 
> QST several years ago, to which I contributed.
>
> It IS practical to model (predict) dissipation in a common mode choke using 
> NEC. A single wire is added to the model with the geometry and physical 
> connections of the transmission line, and the known (measured) impedance of 
> the choke is added as a Load at the point where it is inserted in the system. 
> NEC is then set to model with a defined transmitter output power (for example, 
> 1,500W), and currents are computed. NEC then provides a readout of current at 
> every point on every conductor, and the current in the choke is used to 
> compute dissipation in the choke.
>
> Tutorials at k9yc.com/publish.htm show a practical method for measuring the 
> common mode impedance of ferrite chokes, and for determining values for a 
> parallel equivalent circuit that can provide a good first approximation of 
> dissipation.
>
> 73, Jim K9YC


From wes_n7ws at triconet.org  Tue May 23 01:11:40 2017
From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes Stewart)
Date: Mon, 22 May 2017 22:11:40 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] BL2 -- Antenna Balun Usage
In-Reply-To: <001401d2d344$6148bf00$23da3d00$@biz>
References: <6F534F0A-3A67-4D82-B836-EFE415006478@mac.com>
	<1495482134364-7631020.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<001401d2d344$6148bf00$23da3d00$@biz>
Message-ID: <47c79dad-d07b-029f-5ba9-76fc3d77b246@triconet.org>

That is one, but far from the only form of a balun.

A single-ended input, differential output amplifier is a balun for example.

Wes  N7WS


On 5/22/2017 2:42 PM, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote:
> It is useful to remember that a so-called "balun" is nothing more than a length of transmission line - most commonly parallel wires. The line needs to be long enough to have sufficient inductance to produce balanced currents at the terminated end. Greater inductance is achievable by winding the transmission line into a coil, and even more if that coil has a ferrite core.
>
> So, as Bill notes, the impedance it presents to the source (your rig) will vary based on the impedance of the load, just like any other transmission line.
>
> 73, Ron AC7AC
>
>   
>


From wes_n7ws at triconet.org  Tue May 23 01:15:32 2017
From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes Stewart)
Date: Mon, 22 May 2017 22:15:32 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Choking KPA500 and testing a box of unknown chokes
In-Reply-To: <1daf8b4c-ab61-96d7-ac25-7ba18cfd0ca0@audiosystemsgroup.com>
References: <CA+33ts7Y0fu7uVcMG-7B9ixvBCS4qnaQ+5TZK_iBaF4P2gEikA@mail.gmail.com>
	<31cebd78-fb5e-3802-6a07-58960aa02eb7@embarqmail.com>
	<1daf8b4c-ab61-96d7-ac25-7ba18cfd0ca0@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Message-ID: <c2f05940-0f03-7325-af6c-82b20004ef83@triconet.org>

Really?

On 5/22/2017 4:25 PM, Jim Brown wrote:
> .... Common mode chokes are used near resonance...

From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Tue May 23 01:17:31 2017
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Mon, 22 May 2017 22:17:31 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] BL2 -- Antenna Balun Usage
In-Reply-To: <f438489b-b0b5-2f56-2573-1def693d9c2f@triconet.org>
References: <6F534F0A-3A67-4D82-B836-EFE415006478@mac.com>
	<1495482134364-7631020.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<5f4f912f-dd5a-e057-fa7b-01445ecfa747@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<f438489b-b0b5-2f56-2573-1def693d9c2f@triconet.org>
Message-ID: <426f8825-e4e1-7dc4-9f2d-0258d3e4c1d4@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On Mon,5/22/2017 10:07 PM, Wes Stewart wrote:
> PLEASE ignore all of Jim's pontification. 

Then YOU take responsibility for teaching everyone how they work.

73, Jim K9YC


From cautery at montac.com  Tue May 23 01:19:19 2017
From: cautery at montac.com (Clay Autery)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2017 00:19:19 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] BL2 -- Antenna Balun Usage
In-Reply-To: <f438489b-b0b5-2f56-2573-1def693d9c2f@triconet.org>
References: <6F534F0A-3A67-4D82-B836-EFE415006478@mac.com>
	<1495482134364-7631020.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<5f4f912f-dd5a-e057-fa7b-01445ecfa747@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<f438489b-b0b5-2f56-2573-1def693d9c2f@triconet.org>
Message-ID: <ca7cba73-a653-2646-2981-dadabce6c13c@montac.com>

How about not worrying what to call it, period?

Just realize that the entire assembly from the antenna connector on the
transceiver to the connector on the driven element is simply an....

Impedance Matching Network (or Assembly if you prefer or even Impedance
Matching Device, because all of those elements act in concert.

The method by which you accomplish this task is all but irrelevant
really....  All that REALLY matters is that you develop an IMN that
meets your impedance requirements within the required bandwidth and
sufficiently robust to bear the brunt of the max power contemplated.

73,

______________________
Clay Autery, KY5G

On 5/23/2017 12:07 AM, Wes Stewart wrote:
> PLEASE ignore all of Jim's pontification.
>


From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Tue May 23 01:54:25 2017
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Mon, 22 May 2017 22:54:25 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Choking KPA500 and testing a box of unknown chokes
In-Reply-To: <c2f05940-0f03-7325-af6c-82b20004ef83@triconet.org>
References: <CA+33ts7Y0fu7uVcMG-7B9ixvBCS4qnaQ+5TZK_iBaF4P2gEikA@mail.gmail.com>
	<31cebd78-fb5e-3802-6a07-58960aa02eb7@embarqmail.com>
	<1daf8b4c-ab61-96d7-ac25-7ba18cfd0ca0@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<c2f05940-0f03-7325-af6c-82b20004ef83@triconet.org>
Message-ID: <d6f1e88c-82ae-0208-c5f1-23c068d91b88@audiosystemsgroup.com>

Yes, really.

Jim

On Mon,5/22/2017 10:15 PM, Wes Stewart wrote:
> Really?
>
> On 5/22/2017 4:25 PM, Jim Brown wrote:
>> .... Common mode chokes are used near resonance... 



From k2mk.mike at gmail.com  Tue May 23 05:33:33 2017
From: k2mk.mike at gmail.com (Mike K2MK)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2017 02:33:33 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] Feature request
In-Reply-To: <1E18F9F8-0AB8-4492-B073-F73D4F35C6F7@mac.com>
References: <1E18F9F8-0AB8-4492-B073-F73D4F35C6F7@mac.com>
Message-ID: <1495532013566-7631035.post@n2.nabble.com>

Hi Dave,

Yes this is the place and that's a great idea. It's called ballistic tuning.
I think it ultimately became the feature that makes the RIT dial a rapid
tuning dial. Check out the 2009 e-mail from Wayne that I pasted below. Maybe
Wayne will update his earlier comment.

73,
Mike K2MK


On May 26, 2009 Wayne wrote:

-This is referred to as "ballistic" tuning. We experimented with it but
-rejected it when we did the K2 design. I haven't tried it on the K3
-yet, but I've added it to my list.
-
-73,
-Wayne
-N6KR 




Dave Kelley wrote
> Greetings!
> 
> I hope this is the place to suggest new features.
> 
> I?d love to see a variable ?course? tuning of the VFO based on the speed
> it is tuned.  For example, if I?m in the CW band and want to move to SSB
> I?d like to simply tune quicker than usual and have the VFO switch to
> course tuning until I slow back down or stop.  The Course/Fine button
> would still be used for manual override and default setting.  It would
> save the time of pressing and holding the ?course? button, tuning, and
> then tapping that button again to go back to normal tune.
> 
> ICOM and a few other radio makers have had this feature for a long time. 
> And honestly, it?s the ONLY feature I miss on my KX3 and K3S.
> 
> Thanks and 72/73
> 
> Dave
> AI7R





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From graziano at roccon.com  Tue May 23 06:17:39 2017
From: graziano at roccon.com (Graziano Roccon)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2017 12:17:39 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 smeter not showing RF Power
In-Reply-To: <4d61f4a2-a457-51b1-f4ba-18c5f05423b4@embarqmail.com>
References: <445991775.39060.1495448027704@pim.register.it>
	<4d61f4a2-a457-51b1-f4ba-18c5f05423b4@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <2030074393.3173.1495534659458@pim.register.it>

Hello Don,
thanks for the answer.
Maybe i did a wrong explanation and the last lines made a bit of confusion.
I was intended to say that is normal that when you are in CW, when you press the RF-/ALC button nothing happen and you get only a "BUP-TONE" back !

The problem is the during transmission the SMETER seems dead and doesn't show the RF power output, but in reception the smeter is working correctly signing the segnal streght.

We can't understand what is happening. Two days ago, everything was working fine.

Thanks a lot, Ciao, Graziano IW2NOY


> Il 22 maggio 2017 alle 22.11 Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com> ha scritto:
> 
> 
> Graziano,
> 
> Does the DISPLAY button work normally?  If so, there is no problem with 
> the button itself.
> The difference between a tap and a hold is determined by the MCU.
> 
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
> 
> On 5/22/2017 6:13 AM, Graziano Roccon wrote:
> > Hello,
> > 
> > a friend of mine have an Elecraft K2, always working perfectly.
> > Yesterday, without any apparently motivation, the smeter stop to show RF Power level during transmit.
> > 
> > The K2 emit power without problem and the external wattmeter show the right power.
> > The smeter is working in RX, but not working in TX.
> > The K2 is mainly used in CW, so the switch button RF/ALC is not working.

From terje at elde.net  Tue May 23 07:21:20 2017
From: terje at elde.net (Terje Elde)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2017 13:21:20 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] Programmable access to KXBC3 clock?
Message-ID: <4AB37B0F-0D6A-43B8-9A47-C492447158C1@elde.net>

Hi,

I?m wondering if it?s possible to get programmable access to reading and/or setting the KXBC3 internal RTC (real time clock), through the serial interface?

If not, that would probably make for a nice feature request?

I checked the programmers manual and the KXBC3 manual, but I must have missed it if any such feature is mentioned there.

Examples of where this would be useful include being able to set the clock whenever the KX3 is connected to a computer with a good GPS or NTP synchronised clock, to avoid any drift or similar issues.

For reading, it would be a nice capability to logging dongles or similar projects, allowing to grab almost all of information of a QSO, for easier logging later.  It?s already easy to grab the frequency etc, but putting that information on a timeline would be even better.

Terje Elde / LB8KH


From mike.harris at horizon.co.fk  Tue May 23 08:50:18 2017
From: mike.harris at horizon.co.fk (Mike Harris)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2017 09:50:18 -0300
Subject: [Elecraft] Type 31 Ferrite
Message-ID: <805074bb-d12b-d12b-3e4c-1a3e7d1110b9@horizon.co.fk>

I've got a small stack of 2.5 inch diameter type 31 ferrite rings. 
Interestingly the resistance measured on the ring was dramatically 
different depending upon which of the flat sides measured.

One side 600kOhm+/- whilst on the other 10>20kOhm. This was the same for 
all of them.

Regards,

Mike VP8NO

From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Tue May 23 08:54:05 2017
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2017 08:54:05 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 smeter not showing RF Power
In-Reply-To: <2030074393.3173.1495534659458@pim.register.it>
References: <445991775.39060.1495448027704@pim.register.it>
	<4d61f4a2-a457-51b1-f4ba-18c5f05423b4@embarqmail.com>
	<2030074393.3173.1495534659458@pim.register.it>
Message-ID: <e9b45341-14ca-47e5-b2ee-1c9e42e599b1@embarqmail.com>

Graziano,

I understand the S-meter display is OK, but that is not related to what 
I was saying.
I hate to see you replace the pushbutton and still have the problem.

Tap the DISPLAY button and see if it displays the voltage and current.
If not, replace the pushbutton.
If it does display the voltage and current then the pushbutton is OK
You are trying to determine if the pushbutton is bad or the MCU is confused.

If the pushbutton works for DISPLAY, then the MCU/firmware is confused 
and you should do a Master Reset.
Before you do that, record ALL your menu setting including the filter 
settings.  Download the K2 A to B instructions which has a nice chart 
and instructions to record the menu settings.
After the reset, do a CAL PLL followed by restoring the menu settings.

If you do replace the pushbutton, the button leads do not extend very 
far through the board which makes solder removal difficult. Clip the 
leads close to the pushbutton body and remove them one at a time.  Clear 
the holes with solder wick and if solder remains, heat the solder pads 
and clear the holes with a wooden toothpick.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 5/23/2017 6:17 AM, Graziano Roccon wrote:
> Hello Don,
> thanks for the answer.
> Maybe i did a wrong explanation and the last lines made a bit of confusion.
> I was intended to say that is normal that when you are in CW, when you press the RF-/ALC button nothing happen and you get only a "BUP-TONE" back !
>
> The problem is the during transmission the SMETER seems dead and doesn't show the RF power output, but in reception the smeter is working correctly signing the segnal streght.
>
> We can't understand what is happening. Two days ago, everything was working fine.
>
> Thanks a lot, Ciao, Graziano IW2NOY
>
>
>> Il 22 maggio 2017 alle 22.11 Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com> ha scritto:
>>
>>
>> Graziano,
>>
>> Does the DISPLAY button work normally?  If so, there is no problem with
>> the button itself.
>> The difference between a tap and a hold is determined by the MCU.
>>
>> 73,
>> Don W3FPR
>>
>> On 5/22/2017 6:13 AM, Graziano Roccon wrote:
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> a friend of mine have an Elecraft K2, always working perfectly.
>>> Yesterday, without any apparently motivation, the smeter stop to show RF Power level during transmit.
>>>
>>> The K2 emit power without problem and the external wattmeter show the right power.
>>> The smeter is working in RX, but not working in TX.
>>> The K2 is mainly used in CW, so the switch button RF/ALC is not working.


From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Tue May 23 09:05:02 2017
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2017 09:05:02 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Programmable access to KXBC3 clock?
In-Reply-To: <4AB37B0F-0D6A-43B8-9A47-C492447158C1@elde.net>
References: <4AB37B0F-0D6A-43B8-9A47-C492447158C1@elde.net>
Message-ID: <f16ad5fb-bf29-2b87-0078-07b02ddd3266@embarqmail.com>

Terje,

Setting the RTC from KX3 Utility already is present.  It sets the clock 
from the computer clock time.
Reading the clock is a different matter.  If you have a computer 
connected, why not just allow the logger to use the clock in the computer?

73,
Don W3FPR

On 5/23/2017 7:21 AM, Terje Elde wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I?m wondering if it?s possible to get programmable access to reading and/or setting the KXBC3 internal RTC (real time clock), through the serial interface?
> 
> If not, that would probably make for a nice feature request?
> 
> I checked the programmers manual and the KXBC3 manual, but I must have missed it if any such feature is mentioned there.
> 
> Examples of where this would be useful include being able to set the clock whenever the KX3 is connected to a computer with a good GPS or NTP synchronised clock, to avoid any drift or similar issues.
> 
> For reading, it would be a nice capability to logging dongles or similar projects, allowing to grab almost all of information of a QSO, for easier logging later.  It?s already easy to grab the frequency etc, but putting that information on a timeline would be even better.

From n7dxtango at gmail.com  Tue May 23 10:12:24 2017
From: n7dxtango at gmail.com (Gary Watson)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2017 14:12:24 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] 17/80 Meter K1 Module Kit for Sale
Message-ID: <CAAu8gRFJDqVSyyhuLdPs4LE32wpfkXK_P+WcBY4P8jMdqCL=4w@mail.gmail.com>

Hi
Shack cleaning time

I have an unopened 2 band module for the K1. 17/80 Meters

$50.00 shipped in CONUS

Gary Watson
N7DXT

From elecraft at g4fre.com  Tue May 23 10:58:40 2017
From: elecraft at g4fre.com (Dave)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2017 15:58:40 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] Transverter Interace Question
Message-ID: <001c01d2d3d5$10fe9420$32fbbc60$@g4fre.com>


Hi Doug

Your work around  is the way I had to do it when I borrowed one to use a
28MHz IF!

I recently asked kuhne if there was a split IF /1mw of drive so I could use
the 23cm module with the kxv3b and was told "that option is available with
the built option" (ie the 1100 Euro model). For that reason I am continuing
to use the internal 2m xverter , to drive my homebrew 1296/144 xverter,
despite the internal 2m xverter only having 1-10W output available on the
power knob (ie 0-1W is not available) 

Dave
G4fre, ww2r


I am trying to make a Kuhne 23cm transverter work with my K3 with a KXV3B
transverter interface. I have it mostly set up on an IF of 28MHz? and as?
transverter 2. The Kuhne wants a watt or so to drive it. The problem is that
it looks like to get a watt out of the K3, I need to have it hooked up to
the main antenna instead of the KXV3B. The problem I see is that if I forget
that the transverter is hooked up to Ant 1 and go on HF it looks like I'll
blow the transverter. 
?? The work around I have figured out so far is to use the transverter on
Ant.2 and HF on Ant. 1, since the antenna is memorized on a per band basis,
that might keep me out of trouble. This K3 is a spare and only rarely used
on HF. 
??? Has anyone else figured out a different way? Will this work? Any other
ideas? 
??? Thanks, Doug K6JEY
?Doug Millar
K6JEY
drzarkof56 at yahoo.com
562 810 3989? cell/text

 



From KX3.1 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com  Tue May 23 12:45:14 2017
From: KX3.1 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com (Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2017 09:45:14 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] BL2 -- Antenna Balun Usage
In-Reply-To: <ca7cba73-a653-2646-2981-dadabce6c13c@montac.com>
References: <6F534F0A-3A67-4D82-B836-EFE415006478@mac.com>
	<1495482134364-7631020.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<5f4f912f-dd5a-e057-fa7b-01445ecfa747@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<f438489b-b0b5-2f56-2573-1def693d9c2f@triconet.org>
	<ca7cba73-a653-2646-2981-dadabce6c13c@montac.com>
Message-ID: <17a030a3-b344-7954-b2d4-3b5583d871eb@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com>

Terminology does count, especially in technical areas, like radio.

If you ask to borrow my truck, and I say "yes" and hand you my 
hand-truck (two-wheeled dolly) it's probably not what you were thinking.

On 5/22/2017 10:19 PM, Clay Autery wrote:
> How about not worrying what to call it, period?
> 

From billincolo73 at gmail.com  Tue May 23 12:58:25 2017
From: billincolo73 at gmail.com (Bill Leonard N0CU)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2017 09:58:25 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] BL2 -- Antenna Balun Usage
In-Reply-To: <ca7cba73-a653-2646-2981-dadabce6c13c@montac.com>
References: <6F534F0A-3A67-4D82-B836-EFE415006478@mac.com>
	<1495482134364-7631020.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<5f4f912f-dd5a-e057-fa7b-01445ecfa747@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<f438489b-b0b5-2f56-2573-1def693d9c2f@triconet.org>
	<ca7cba73-a653-2646-2981-dadabce6c13c@montac.com>
Message-ID: <1495558705711-7631044.post@n2.nabble.com>

I was going to respond to Jim?s comments about terminology, but Wes presented
my thoughts better than I could have.

I would like to address two of the comments that were made in the responses.

First, EZNEC is powerful tool that can help understand theoretical behavior
of ideal antenna systems. It can also, under certain conditions, predict the
performance of real world antenna systems with reasonably good accuracy.
However, much of the EZNEC Manual is devoted to discussing the model?s
limitations. There are at least two (and probably more) that I am aware of
that affect how well EZNEC can accurately predict how an antenna ?system?
will perform with, and without a balun.

First is the limitation with respect to ground, and the second is the
inability to model unbalanced currents (ie, common mode currents) on a
transmission line. Both limitations significantly affect the results for the
balun problem. I am aware of two articles that use EZNEC to evaluate how a
dipole?s performance is affected by the use of a balun. Both articles
address these limitations the same way:
-an ideal ground is assumed to be at a known location
-the transmission line is eliminated and the source is moved up to the feed
point of the dipole. The transmission line is modelled by simply adding a
third wire coming off one of the antenna?s feed points.

The first assumption is a problem because none of us have an ideal ground,
nor do we know how to quantify the location of our ground accurately in the
model. The second one removes the component that has the most effect on the
results, and tries to simulate it with a piece of wire. Although I have
confidence in the behavior the model predicts, I seriously doubt that, for
any real world antenna system application, whether EZNEC could be useful in
deciding whether adding a balun would be worthwhile, and if so, where to
install it and what the margin would be to the balun?s power dissipation
limit.

I strongly disagree with Clay?s comment that the problem caused by common
mode currents is nothing more than an impedance matching problem. If that
were true, then all the articles, and EZNEC models that describe how a
dipole that is feed directly with coax (also called a ?Tripole?) can either
have the pattern of a dipole, or the pattern of an inverted L antenna,
depending on the common mode currents on the transmission line, are wrong. I
agree that the impedance seen at the transmitter changes as the common mode
current changes, however, I doubt that many, if any hams know what pattern
their antenna actually has because they have no idea what magnitude of the
common mode current is that is flowing on their transmission line since the
predicted variation in the impedance between the two extremes is well within
the 2:1 SWR range that most hams would consider normal.

Bill  N0CU




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From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Tue May 23 13:29:20 2017
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2017 10:29:20 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Type 31 Ferrite
In-Reply-To: <805074bb-d12b-d12b-3e4c-1a3e7d1110b9@horizon.co.fk>
References: <805074bb-d12b-d12b-3e4c-1a3e7d1110b9@horizon.co.fk>
Message-ID: <e7dddb38-d737-4c6a-0bf7-5c03e033fc97@audiosystemsgroup.com>

This is not unusual. The value is not critical, but rather that the 
resistivity is within a range that CAN be measured with a typical VOM.

73, Jim

On Tue,5/23/2017 5:50 AM, Mike Harris wrote:
> I've got a small stack of 2.5 inch diameter type 31 ferrite rings. 
> Interestingly the resistance measured on the ring was dramatically 
> different depending upon which of the flat sides measured.
>
> One side 600kOhm+/- whilst on the other 10>20kOhm. This was the same 
> for all of them.



From wes_n7ws at triconet.org  Tue May 23 13:29:56 2017
From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes Stewart)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2017 10:29:56 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] BL2 -- Antenna Balun Usage
In-Reply-To: <17a030a3-b344-7954-b2d4-3b5583d871eb@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com>
References: <6F534F0A-3A67-4D82-B836-EFE415006478@mac.com>
	<1495482134364-7631020.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<5f4f912f-dd5a-e057-fa7b-01445ecfa747@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<f438489b-b0b5-2f56-2573-1def693d9c2f@triconet.org>
	<ca7cba73-a653-2646-2981-dadabce6c13c@montac.com>
	<17a030a3-b344-7954-b2d4-3b5583d871eb@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com>
Message-ID: <3f349707-795a-b241-09e9-615491005363@triconet.org>

Since a truck can be defined as a wheeled vehicle for moving (heavy) loads, many 
variations exist.

Likewise, a balun can be defined as a device for converting from a single-ended 
to a balanced source/load and many variations exist.

The fact that both terms are all-inclusive doesn't negate their usefulness or 
demand their removal from conversation.

If people would think of a balun as performing a function rather than a 
particular device for performing that function they would have less heartburn.  
In other words, saying, "When feeding a balanced antenna with coax, it is 
advisable to incorporate a balun at the feed point.", shouldn't start an 
argument about what constitutes a balun.

If we are to follow the commandments of one of our correspondents we should 
remove "truck" from our vocabulary, since it isn't a precise term.

Wes  N7WS

On 5/23/2017 9:45 AM, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT wrote:
> Terminology does count, especially in technical areas, like radio.
>
> If you ask to borrow my truck, and I say "yes" and hand you my hand-truck 
> (two-wheeled dolly) it's probably not what you were thinking.
>
> On 5/22/2017 10:19 PM, Clay Autery wrote:
>> How about not worrying what to call it, period?
>>


From wes_n7ws at triconet.org  Tue May 23 13:36:37 2017
From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes Stewart)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2017 10:36:37 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Choking KPA500 and testing a box of unknown chokes
In-Reply-To: <d6f1e88c-82ae-0208-c5f1-23c068d91b88@audiosystemsgroup.com>
References: <CA+33ts7Y0fu7uVcMG-7B9ixvBCS4qnaQ+5TZK_iBaF4P2gEikA@mail.gmail.com>
	<31cebd78-fb5e-3802-6a07-58960aa02eb7@embarqmail.com>
	<1daf8b4c-ab61-96d7-ac25-7ba18cfd0ca0@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<c2f05940-0f03-7325-af6c-82b20004ef83@triconet.org>
	<d6f1e88c-82ae-0208-c5f1-23c068d91b88@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Message-ID: <832e7684-fd44-83be-28ec-b5206ae2ae70@triconet.org>

Well, I would prefer one that presented a high resistive impedance with no 
resonance at all:-)

Wes  N7WS

On 5/22/2017 10:54 PM, Jim Brown wrote:
> Yes, really.
>
> Jim
>
> On Mon,5/22/2017 10:15 PM, Wes Stewart wrote:
>> Really?
>>
>> On 5/22/2017 4:25 PM, Jim Brown wrote:
>>> .... Common mode chokes are used near resonance... 


From stuberkenneth at yahoo.com  Tue May 23 15:17:25 2017
From: stuberkenneth at yahoo.com (N4KS)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2017 19:17:25 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] K2/100 overheating?
References: <777814684.855055.1495567045532.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <777814684.855055.1495567045532@mail.yahoo.com>

My bias current settings are:
275 mA (power knob set fully CCW)
475 mA (power knob set to 11 watts)
Target 875 mA total (with the 400 mA added per the instructions) In CW test mode, I set bias control R6 to show a reading of 875 mA

Current draw:
12W = 6.6A
40W = 10.0A (note: peaks at 14W then steps down to 12W)
120W with Power set full CW
Checked all of the diodes for proper orientation.

Fan is orientated correctly with label out. my fan pulls the?air OUT. There seems to be some confusion regarding the direction of air flow.?Others advised it should be pushing air in. With the fan setting in "normal" mode, it goes directly to high speed when it kicks in. I should think it would go to low speed first and then step up to high speed if the temperature?increases.
Balanced and calibrated the wattmeter. 

I checked Q1 Q2 Q3 Q4 DC voltages in RX and TX. All are good according to the Voltage Chart provided in the manual.
I had to order a new Fan, because of a mistake I made. It should be here by the end of the week. I will provide temperature data when it is reinstalled.
73, Ken N4KSk2/100

--------------------------------------------
On Fri, 5/19/17, Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com> wrote:

 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K2/100 overheating?
 To: "N4KS" <stuberkenneth at yahoo.com>, "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
 Date: Friday, May 19, 2017, 6:02 PM
 
 Ken,
 
 Did you set the bias properly?? What is the
 current draw at 12 watts?
 Did you properly
 balance and calibrate the wattmeter?
 Are all
 the diodes oriented properly?? Check against the parts
 layout 
 near the back of the manual.
 
 Make certain the fan is
 mounted with the label out and that the red wire 
 is in the +hole and the black one in the
 -hole.
 The fan should exhaust the hot air.?
 Cooler air flows in at the front of 
 the
 heatsink.
 
 73,
 Don W3FPR
 
 On
 5/19/2017 8:01 AM, N4KS via Elecraft wrote:
 >? I recently added the KPA100 to my K2.
 The heat sink gets VERY hot at any power level above 11
 watts (that's when the amp kicks in). The fan is running
 at high speed and pulling air OUT of the box. Just wondering
 if this is normal.
 

From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Tue May 23 18:16:38 2017
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2017 18:16:38 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K2/100 overheating?
In-Reply-To: <777814684.855055.1495567045532@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <777814684.855055.1495567045532.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<777814684.855055.1495567045532@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <aa2bec02-10d6-5c57-ae42-6a01dfd5d507@embarqmail.com>

Ken,

That bias setting is correct.  The current draw seems a bit high to me, 
but may be OK - I do not have typical measurement data.

One more check - make sure that Q6 and Q7 are oriented properly. They 
appear at first glance to have 2 flat sides, but the "round side" has 
chamfered edges.  If those transistors are oriented backwards, they will 
cause the KPA100 to oscillate in the 800 to 900 kHz range.

How hot is your definition of hot?  There will be heat generated. If you 
can hold your hand on the heatsink, it may not be too hot.
The temperature rise should not be much at powers below 20 watts, so if 
yours gets hot at those power levels, there is a problem to be found.

You might want to check the diode voltages as well - both in transmit 
and receive and at power levels below and above 11 watts.  In other 
words, check everything listed in the diode voltage chart.

I just checked the fan direction on my older KPA100 - mine pulls air 
in.  It really does not matter much for cooling purposes in the KPA100.  
The fans were changed about a year ago (availability problem, not design 
change).
The newer fans may not start on the Hi-Lo setting.  You can experiment 
with resistors in parallel with R31.  I would suggest starting with 1000 
ohms and working downward in resistance until the fan starts reliably on 
the Low setting (Hi-Lo starts out low and goes to high when the 
temperature rises).  1/4 watt resistors will be OK unless the value 
necessary goes below 470 ohms, then you should use 1/2 watt.

Make certain the CAL TPA setting in the menu is correct.  The actual 
setting follows the KPA100 temperature, so let it cool for at least 1/2 
hour and set it to the ambient temperature in degC. That will control 
when the fan goes to low and when it goes to high.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 5/23/2017 3:17 PM, N4KS wrote:
> My bias current settings are:
> 275 mA (power knob set fully CCW)
> 475 mA (power knob set to 11 watts)
> Target 875 mA total (with the 400 mA added per the instructions) In CW 
> test mode, I set bias control R6 to show a reading of 875 mA
>
> Current draw:
> 12W = 6.6A
> 40W = 10.0A (note: peaks at 14W then steps down to 12W)
> 120W with Power set full CW
>
> Checked all of the diodes for proper orientation.
>
> Fan is orientated correctly with label out. my fan pulls the air OUT. 
> There seems to be some confusion regarding the direction of air 
> flow. Others advised it should be pushing air in. With the fan setting 
> in "normal" mode, it goes directly to high speed when it kicks in. I 
> should think it would go to low speed first and then step up to high 
> speed if the temperature increases.
>
> Balanced and calibrated the wattmeter.
>
> I checked Q1 Q2 Q3 Q4 DC voltages in RX and TX. All are good according 
> to the Voltage Chart provided in the manual.
>
> I had to order a new Fan, because of a mistake I made. It should be 
> here by the end of the week. I will provide temperature data when it 
> is reinstalled.
>
> 73, Ken N4KS
> k2/100
>
> --------------------------------------------
> On Fri, 5/19/17, Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com 
> <mailto:donwilh at embarqmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K2/100 overheating?
> To: "N4KS" <stuberkenneth at yahoo.com <mailto:stuberkenneth at yahoo.com>>, 
> "elecraft at mailman.qth.net <mailto:elecraft at mailman.qth.net>" 
> <elecraft at mailman.qth.net <mailto:elecraft at mailman.qth.net>>
> Date: Friday, May 19, 2017, 6:02 PM
>
> Ken,
>
> Did you set the bias properly?  What is the
> current draw at 12 watts?
> Did you properly
> balance and calibrate the wattmeter?
> Are all
> the diodes oriented properly?  Check against the parts
> layout
> near the back of the manual.
>
> Make certain the fan is
> mounted with the label out and that the red wire
> is in the +hole and the black one in the
> -hole.
> The fan should exhaust the hot air.
> Cooler air flows in at the front of
> the
> heatsink.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On
> 5/19/2017 8:01 AM, N4KS via Elecraft wrote:
> >  I recently added the KPA100 to my K2.
> The heat sink gets VERY hot at any power level above 11
> watts (that's when the amp kicks in). The fan is running
> at high speed and pulling air OUT of the box. Just wondering
> if this is normal.


From ka5y at yahoo.com  Tue May 23 19:07:52 2017
From: ka5y at yahoo.com (pkhjr)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2017 16:07:52 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] WTB - Speaker SP3
Message-ID: <1495580872417-7631050.post@n2.nabble.com>

Anyone got a SP3 for sale?  

73 Tex
ka5y



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From KX2_KX3 at swsports.org  Tue May 23 20:38:42 2017
From: KX2_KX3 at swsports.org (Tom Francis, W1TEF)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2017 20:38:42 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 Firmware
Message-ID: <09e2c829-b32b-008a-a874-7f44ca3612ff@swsports.org>

Greetings,

I was just looking at the KX2 firmware, Beta and 2.69 and discovered 
that they were built
and released in the 11th Century!! Who knew?!?

**MCU 2.69 / DSP 1.49, Final Release Feb 5, 1017**

**MCU 2.75 / DSP 1.49, April 7, 1017

**Best regards,

Tom, W1TEF
Lexington, SC
**

**


From kevinr at coho.net  Tue May 23 20:43:28 2017
From: kevinr at coho.net (kevinr at coho.net)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2017 17:43:28 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 Firmware
In-Reply-To: <09e2c829-b32b-008a-a874-7f44ca3612ff@swsports.org>
References: <09e2c829-b32b-008a-a874-7f44ca3612ff@swsports.org>
Message-ID: <9b83c5e1-b2bb-ecdb-f8fa-188ccc3ebc0f@coho.net>

I must be getting old.  I really don't remember what I was doing in the 
11th century.

    73,

         Kevin.  KD5ONS


On 5/23/2017 5:38 PM, Tom Francis, W1TEF wrote:
> Greetings,
>
> I was just looking at the KX2 firmware, Beta and 2.69 and discovered 
> that they were built
> and released in the 11th Century!! Who knew?!?
>
> **MCU 2.69 / DSP 1.49, Final Release Feb 5, 1017**
>
> **MCU 2.75 / DSP 1.49, April 7, 1017
>
> **Best regards,
>
> Tom, W1TEF
> Lexington, SC


From cautery at montac.com  Tue May 23 21:10:51 2017
From: cautery at montac.com (Clay Autery)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2017 20:10:51 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] BL2 -- Antenna Balun Usage
In-Reply-To: <17a030a3-b344-7954-b2d4-3b5583d871eb@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com>
References: <6F534F0A-3A67-4D82-B836-EFE415006478@mac.com>
	<1495482134364-7631020.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<5f4f912f-dd5a-e057-fa7b-01445ecfa747@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<f438489b-b0b5-2f56-2573-1def693d9c2f@triconet.org>
	<ca7cba73-a653-2646-2981-dadabce6c13c@montac.com>
	<17a030a3-b344-7954-b2d4-3b5583d871eb@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com>
Message-ID: <53c74d14-f89c-4ec0-e269-1205dda9e83f@montac.com>

You missed my point...  I'm gonna let it go, because it's just not that
important to argue the point here.

73,

______________________
Clay Autery, KY5G

On 5/23/2017 11:45 AM, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT wrote:
> Terminology does count, especially in technical areas, like radio.
>
> If you ask to borrow my truck, and I say "yes" and hand you my
> hand-truck (two-wheeled dolly) it's probably not what you were thinking.
>
> On 5/22/2017 10:19 PM, Clay Autery wrote:
>> How about not worrying what to call it, period?


From w4sc at windstream.net  Tue May 23 21:38:23 2017
From: w4sc at windstream.net (w4sc)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2017 21:38:23 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KFL3B-FM for sale
Message-ID: <1A53437D7125480B999071C796ADBE73@z22z28>

Excess to needs.  Unused.  KFL3B-FM.   $110 shipped.  Please reply off list.

Ben W4SC


From na5n at zianet.com  Tue May 23 21:56:23 2017
From: na5n at zianet.com (na5n at zianet.com)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2017 19:56:23 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 Firmware
In-Reply-To: <09e2c829-b32b-008a-a874-7f44ca3612ff@swsports.org>
References: <09e2c829-b32b-008a-a874-7f44ca3612ff@swsports.org>
Message-ID: <20170524015623.30529.qmail@modulo.zianet.com>

Tom Francis, W1TEF writes:

> I was just looking at the KX2 firmware, Beta and 2.69 and discovered  
> that they were built and released in the 11th Century!! Who knew?!?
>
> **MCU 2.69 / DSP 1.49, Final Release Feb 5, 1017**
> **MCU 2.75 / DSP 1.49, April 7, 1017

Dang ... that means the warranty is probably shot.

72, Paul NA5N

From farrerfolks at yahoo.com  Tue May 23 21:56:40 2017
From: farrerfolks at yahoo.com (Mel Farrer)
Date: Wed, 24 May 2017 01:56:40 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] BL2 -- Antenna Balun Usage
In-Reply-To: <53c74d14-f89c-4ec0-e269-1205dda9e83f@montac.com>
References: <6F534F0A-3A67-4D82-B836-EFE415006478@mac.com>
	<1495482134364-7631020.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<5f4f912f-dd5a-e057-fa7b-01445ecfa747@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<f438489b-b0b5-2f56-2573-1def693d9c2f@triconet.org>
	<ca7cba73-a653-2646-2981-dadabce6c13c@montac.com>
	<17a030a3-b344-7954-b2d4-3b5583d871eb@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com>
	<53c74d14-f89c-4ec0-e269-1205dda9e83f@montac.com>
Message-ID: <1547376998.1081579.1495591000982@mail.yahoo.com>

BTW, don't look at the BL2 to help with any CMI, it doesn't do a very good job.
Mel, K6KBE

      From: Clay Autery <cautery at montac.com>
 To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net 
 Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 6:14 PM
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] BL2 -- Antenna Balun Usage
   
You missed my point...? I'm gonna let it go, because it's just not that
important to argue the point here.

73,

______________________
Clay Autery, KY5G

On 5/23/2017 11:45 AM, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT wrote:
> Terminology does count, especially in technical areas, like radio.
>
> If you ask to borrow my truck, and I say "yes" and hand you my
> hand-truck (two-wheeled dolly) it's probably not what you were thinking.
>
> On 5/22/2017 10:19 PM, Clay Autery wrote:
>> How about not worrying what to call it, period?

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From ctate at ewnetinc.com  Tue May 23 23:29:11 2017
From: ctate at ewnetinc.com (Chris Tate - N6WM)
Date: Wed, 24 May 2017 03:29:11 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 Firmware
In-Reply-To: <9b83c5e1-b2bb-ecdb-f8fa-188ccc3ebc0f@coho.net>
References: <09e2c829-b32b-008a-a874-7f44ca3612ff@swsports.org>
	<9b83c5e1-b2bb-ecdb-f8fa-188ccc3ebc0f@coho.net>
Message-ID: <236350B81BC09D42B8C3B41A97C654DD1D7DF81E@AUSP01DAG0504.collaborationhost.net>

That's a busted exchange copy..  ;-).

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of kevinr at coho.net
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 5:43 PM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX2 Firmware

I must be getting old.  I really don't remember what I was doing in the 11th century.

    73,

         Kevin.  KD5ONS


On 5/23/2017 5:38 PM, Tom Francis, W1TEF wrote:
> Greetings,
>
> I was just looking at the KX2 firmware, Beta and 2.69 and discovered 
> that they were built and released in the 11th Century!! Who knew?!?
>
> **MCU 2.69 / DSP 1.49, Final Release Feb 5, 1017**
>
> **MCU 2.75 / DSP 1.49, April 7, 1017
>
> **Best regards,
>
> Tom, W1TEF
> Lexington, SC

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From n7xy at n7xy.net  Wed May 24 00:12:10 2017
From: n7xy at n7xy.net (Bob Nielsen)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2017 21:12:10 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] BL2 -- Antenna Balun Usage
In-Reply-To: <f438489b-b0b5-2f56-2573-1def693d9c2f@triconet.org>
References: <6F534F0A-3A67-4D82-B836-EFE415006478@mac.com>
	<1495482134364-7631020.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<5f4f912f-dd5a-e057-fa7b-01445ecfa747@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<f438489b-b0b5-2f56-2573-1def693d9c2f@triconet.org>
Message-ID: <7e5a60e6-7cbb-99ea-b2ca-f06130601952@n7xy.net>

Even Jasik, ed., "Antenna Engineering Handbook" mentions the balun.  My 
first ham antenna (1952) was a 40 meter dipole fed with 72-ohm twinlead 
and a B&W 1:1 air-core balun and I once worked on an airborn military 
system which used a balun.

The term "unun" has a much more dubious justification, however (my opinion).

73, Bob N7XY


On 5/22/17 10:07 PM, Wes Stewart wrote:
> PLEASE ignore all of Jim's pontification.
>
> I find it curious that Terman ("Radio Engineering"), Kraus 
> ("Antennas"), Johnson ("Transmission Lines and Networks") all use the 
> "meaningless" word "balun" in their books. Clearly, these guys should 
> have consulted with Jim before doing so, because obviously they didn't 
> know what they were talking about.
>
> A transmission line transformer can be as simple as a geometric mean 
> quarter-wave line between two different impedances.  No ferrites 
> required.  A balun (pardon me, I'm with Kraus) can be a quarter-wave 
> open stub at the feedpoint of an antenna.  Collins ("Fundamentals of 
> SSB") calls this a "Bazooka-type balun", but what does Collins Radio 
> know about anything?)  Or, it could be a half-wave line connecting the 
> two halves of a dipole.  A stub balun can be both a balancing device 
> and an impedance transformer at the same time.  And it's nothing but 
> coax.  A two-wire line wound around a core might be a common-mode 
> choke, but if it's long enough and different in impedance from the 
> load, then it's an impedance transformer too.
>
> In summary, just removing the term balun from one's lexicon doesn't 
> simplify anything.
>
> And I almost forgot, that N6BV article Jim mentions is titled, "Don't 
> blow up your BALUN."
>
> Wes  N7WS
>
>
>
> On 5/22/2017 2:11 PM, Jim Brown wrote:
>> On Mon,5/22/2017 12:42 PM, Bill Leonard N0CU wrote:
>>> I am no expert when it comes to baluns
>>
>> You're not the only one. :)
>>
>> Some important comments. First, PLEASE strike the word "balun" from 
>> your vocabulary. It is a meaningless word that tells us NOTHING about 
>> the device or circuit element it is used to describe. I can think of 
>> nearly a dozen VERY different devices that are CALLED baluns. Use the 
>> word "balun" conceals what the device actually is and prevents 
>> everyone involved from understanding what it does.
>>
>> A two-wire line wound around a ferrite core forms a COMMON MODE 
>> CHOKE. It is not a "transmission line transformer," nor is it an 
>> inductor, nor is it a transformer at all! The ferrite core carries 
>> only flux due to common mode current, and loss in the choke is I 
>> squared R, where I is the common mode current and R is the resistive 
>> impedance of the common mode choke.
>>
>> Arrays of common mode chokes CAN be wired in series/parallel 
>> combinations to match circuits of differing impedance, but that 
>> device is NOT a transformer, it is an array of common mode chokes. If 
>> we want to know how this array of chokes work, we must analyze them 
>> as arrays of common mode chokes, not as a transformer.
>>
>> A transformer, is, by definition, two windings that are magnetically 
>> coupled, and the impedance transformation ratio is the square of the 
>> turns ratio. If we want to know how a transformer works, we must 
>> analyze it as a transformer. It's as simple as that. The ferrite core 
>> carries ALL of the flux, and thus all of the differential power 
>> carried by the circuit into which it is inserted.
>>
>> In general, common mode chokes do NOT affect the differential signal, 
>> but there CAN be differential mode loss in the transmission line that 
>> forms the common mode choke due to transmission line effects. For 
>> example, if the common mode choke is inserted in a badly mismatched 
>> transmission line, there can excess loss due to SWR throughout the 
>> line, both in the part of the line that forms the choke and in the 
>> rest of the line. Below UHF, virtually all loss in real transmission 
>> lines is due to I square R; if the combination of the antenna and the 
>> line places a current maxima at the choke, that segment of the line 
>> can burn a high fraction of the transmitter power, greatly reducing 
>> the transmitter power that gets to the antenna and overheating (and 
>> frying) that segment of the line. N6BV wrote an excellent 
>> applications note about this for QST several years ago, to which I 
>> contributed.
>>
>> It IS practical to model (predict) dissipation in a common mode choke 
>> using NEC. A single wire is added to the model with the geometry and 
>> physical connections of the transmission line, and the known 
>> (measured) impedance of the choke is added as a Load at the point 
>> where it is inserted in the system. NEC is then set to model with a 
>> defined transmitter output power (for example, 1,500W), and currents 
>> are computed. NEC then provides a readout of current at every point 
>> on every conductor, and the current in the choke is used to compute 
>> dissipation in the choke.
>>
>> Tutorials at k9yc.com/publish.htm show a practical method for 
>> measuring the common mode impedance of ferrite chokes, and for 
>> determining values for a parallel equivalent circuit that can provide 
>> a good first approximation of dissipation.
>>
>> 73, Jim K9YC
>
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From k6dgw at foothill.net  Wed May 24 00:42:06 2017
From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred C. Jensen)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2017 21:42:06 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft] KX2 Firmware
Message-ID: <gxuvbxuhtqp8do607ujt78p8.1495600926322@email.android.com>

I missed the FW release, I was busy sharpening my sword and degreasing my chain mail.

Fred K6DGW
Sparks NV

Chris Tate - N6WM <ctate at ewnetinc.com> wrote:
>That's a busted exchange copy..  ;-).
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of kevinr at coho.net
>Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 5:43 PM
>To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX2 Firmware
>
>I must be getting old.  I really don't remember what I was doing in the 11th century.
>
>    73,
>
>         Kevin.  KD5ONS
>
>
>On 5/23/2017 5:38 PM, Tom Francis, W1TEF wrote:
>> Greetings,
>>
>> I was just looking at the KX2 firmware, Beta and 2.69 and discovered 
>> that they were built and released in the 11th Century!! Who knew?!?
>>
>> **MCU 2.69 / DSP 1.49, Final Release Feb 5, 1017**
>>
>> **MCU 2.75 / DSP 1.49, April 7, 1017
>>
>> **Best regards,
>>
>> Tom, W1TEF
>> Lexington, SC
>
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From pincon at erols.com  Wed May 24 07:47:20 2017
From: pincon at erols.com (Charlie T, K3ICH)
Date: Wed, 24 May 2017 07:47:20 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft] KX2 Firmware
In-Reply-To: <gxuvbxuhtqp8do607ujt78p8.1495600926322@email.android.com>
References: <gxuvbxuhtqp8do607ujt78p8.1495600926322@email.android.com>
Message-ID: <001c01d2d483$84344cb0$8c9ce610$@erols.com>

Oh Boy, a new subject to create endless comments.....

Things WERE starting to die down a tad.

Chas

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Fred
C. Jensen
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 12:42 AM
To: Chris Tate <ctate at ewnetinc.com>; kevinr at coho.net;
elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft] KX2 Firmware

I missed the FW release, I was busy sharpening my sword and degreasing my
chain mail.

Fred K6DGW
Sparks NV

Chris Tate - N6WM <ctate at ewnetinc.com> wrote:
>That's a busted exchange copy..  ;-).
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of 
>kevinr at coho.net
>Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 5:43 PM
>To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX2 Firmware
>
>I must be getting old.  I really don't remember what I was doing in the
11th century.
>
>    73,
>
>         Kevin.  KD5ONS
>
>
>On 5/23/2017 5:38 PM, Tom Francis, W1TEF wrote:
>> Greetings,
>>
>> I was just looking at the KX2 firmware, Beta and 2.69 and discovered 
>> that they were built and released in the 11th Century!! Who knew?!?
>>
>> **MCU 2.69 / DSP 1.49, Final Release Feb 5, 1017**
>>
>> **MCU 2.75 / DSP 1.49, April 7, 1017
>>
>> **Best regards,
>>
>> Tom, W1TEF
>> Lexington, SC
>
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From k6xk at ncn.net  Wed May 24 08:36:19 2017
From: k6xk at ncn.net (Roy Koeppe)
Date: Wed, 24 May 2017 07:36:19 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Clever K3s cooling scheme?
Message-ID: <C3F4655BB5E74924BF2EDDD6C248C195@ROYKOEPPEHP>

Re all the fans postings, it appears my K3s uses convection cooling during 
light usage periods, drawing air in at the rear, backwards thru the idle 
fans, and out the top. When fans engage, air flow is reversed...drawn in 
thru the top and out the back. "Simplicity is ingenuity."

73,   Roy   K6XK 



From roneymonte at gmail.com  Wed May 24 08:52:27 2017
From: roneymonte at gmail.com (roney)
Date: Wed, 24 May 2017 09:52:27 -0300
Subject: [Elecraft] K1 - VFO frequency range
Message-ID: <CA+zAx0t1taKdCWZ-5765bpT+QLs88AV2QXzXLcAEsop8iyJzYg@mail.gmail.com>

Hello, I just finished all tests and adjustments in my K1.
It works great. I have 2 filter band as 80m and 15m.
It's transmitting and receiving very well.

I followed all tests in:

VFO Range Test (Page 38):
VFO knob fully clockwise = 3.007 khz
VFO knob fully counterclockwise = 3.091 khz
VFO range = 84 khz

So I did Band Assignments (Page 39), etc, etc.

When seeing each band, my real ranges are:

80m: 3.493,8   to  3.577,6 mhz
15m: 20.990,9 to 21.074,6 mhz

I did not understand how to adjust these low and high limits. Should I
change some inductor turns ? or is there any menu adjust for these limits ?

Thanks for the help,
Roney Monte PY1ZB

From rpfjeld at outlook.com  Wed May 24 09:20:01 2017
From: rpfjeld at outlook.com (Richard Fjeld)
Date: Wed, 24 May 2017 13:20:01 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Fire in the house li-ion
In-Reply-To: <CAOH7AOrndTWpFcfTd50Qo_b27idzj0_7qG2xxDTTAytbGC9dig@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5721D1A0-CFBB-4849-AEB9-91ECCEA4EDFF@zendamateur.nu>
	<DM5PR1601MB1210CBEB56E9D3E153635CAABFE40@DM5PR1601MB1210.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
	<1495141685713-7630810.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<002c01d2d0bd$1ca88c10$55f9a430$@swbell.net>
	<003601d2d0c7$3f75cdc0$be616940$@biz>
	<000001d2d0ca$fa881840$ef9848c0$@swbell.net>,
	<CAOH7AOrndTWpFcfTd50Qo_b27idzj0_7qG2xxDTTAytbGC9dig@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <DM5PR1601MB1210B47EDD04F28EDD8A7B20BFFE0@DM5PR1601MB1210.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>

Just a note to say I?m still thinking about the information from this thread, and I?m glad to learn of fires while a Lithium type battery discharges.  I had no idea they would do that, and it takes the fun out of having them.

I had bought a balance charger and a voltage monitor, and low voltage alarms, but I have made battery packs that wouldn?t be practical to  attach a monitor to.  Example, I have an old Kenwood hand-held that hasn?t had a battery pack for years.   Now, for a few dollars,  I had made a battery pack for it.

I also have CREE flashlights made for the 18650, and 14500 batteries.  There is no way to monitor the voltage in this application.  I tested one yesterday and found it was down to 2.0 volts.

(Also being marketed today, are packs to jump-start cars and trucks. That will be interesting!)

This thread has made gel-cells look pretty good to me again.

Thanks to all,

Rich, n0ce

From: Bill Tippett<mailto:btippett at alum.mit.edu>
Sent: Friday, May 19, 2017 1:31 PM
To: Terry Schieler<mailto:w0fm at swbell.net>
Cc: Elecraft Reflector<mailto:elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Fire in the house li-ion

Ditto Terry's comments.  I'd add that balanced chargers (<$20) and
inexpensive monitors (<$3) will detect when a cell begins going bad.  One
cell having a much lower voltage than the others is an immediate flag.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/IMax-B6-Digital-LCD-RC-Lipo-NiMh-
battery-Balance-Charger-US-STOCK-100-New-/311592092378?
hash=item488c5602da:g:mmsAAOSwdpxUWyl3

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Lipo-Battery-Voltage-Monitor-Meter-
7-4V-11-1V-22-2V-2S-6S-Cells-LED-Display-/110762643408?
hash=item19c9f7cfd0:g:GQ4AAOxyqKVRigvv

I also never put any lithium battery (LiPO or Li-Ion) inside my radios.
I've seen more bad publicity about Li-Ion batteries (e.g. Samsung S7
phones, Dell laptops, etc) than LiPO batteries but I'm not sure why that is.

73,  Bill  W4ZV



From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Wed May 24 09:35:00 2017
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Wed, 24 May 2017 09:35:00 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K1 - VFO frequency range
In-Reply-To: <CA+zAx0t1taKdCWZ-5765bpT+QLs88AV2QXzXLcAEsop8iyJzYg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+zAx0t1taKdCWZ-5765bpT+QLs88AV2QXzXLcAEsop8iyJzYg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5a0949f7-074b-e5cc-ce90-1955452355ed@embarqmail.com>

Roney,

There is no adjustment for individual bands.

If you have no other band boards, you can adjust the turns on L1 to 
bring the lower end of 80 meters up to 3.500 MHz.

Normally, the VFO range is adjusted so that all bands will tune a bit 
below the low frequency limit.  This compensates for slight variation of 
the exact frequency of the crystal on the band board.

If you have multiple band boards, check to see which band is closest to 
the lower ham band and adjust the turns spacing of L1 to bring that band 
near the lower edge of the band.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 5/24/2017 8:52 AM, roney wrote:

> 
> So I did Band Assignments (Page 39), etc, etc.
> 
> When seeing each band, my real ranges are:
> 
> 80m: 3.493,8   to  3.577,6 mhz
> 15m: 20.990,9 to 21.074,6 mhz
> 
> I did not understand how to adjust these low and high limits. Should I
> change some inductor turns ? or is there any menu adjust for these limits ?

From m.cresap at yahoo.com  Wed May 24 09:22:15 2017
From: m.cresap at yahoo.com (M Cresap)
Date: Wed, 24 May 2017 13:22:15 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] K3/K3S with KXV3B Feature request
References: <715782396.1356429.1495632135381.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <715782396.1356429.1495632135381@mail.yahoo.com>

Wayne/Eric
I'd like to use a lower net gain (on receive) transverter with a K3/K3S.The transverter IF frequency is 28 MHz. Would it be possible to selectively enable Preamp 2 of the KXV3B during transverteroperation? Moving the transverter receive line to "Rx ant. in" andselecting Preamp 2 should result in improved sensitivity (with related changein dynamic range).
Thanks
73, Mike, W3IP

From roneymonte at gmail.com  Wed May 24 10:08:32 2017
From: roneymonte at gmail.com (roney)
Date: Wed, 24 May 2017 11:08:32 -0300
Subject: [Elecraft] K1 - 2 band, is possible to add another 2 band PCB ?
Message-ID: <CA+zAx0tM0EXg4J8m99E7sFx=SCGs7BssLVhLDTfNEfB9pk_AQA@mail.gmail.com>

Hello, now that my Rig is ready, I want to ask something that wasn't clear
when I bought it.

In Elecraft website, there is a "*KFL1-2
<http://www.elecraft.com/k1_page.htm#K1%20Options> Additional 2 Band Module*";
I did not buy it, because I still don't know if it works.

I already have B1 as 3.500 mhz
I already have B2 as 21.000 mhz

If I buy and add the second 2 band module, can I have all together 4 bands
in my Rig ?
(Like adding B3 as 14.000 mhz, and B4 as 7.000 mhz)

Thanks
Roney PY1ZB

From n6kr at elecraft.com  Wed May 24 10:14:01 2017
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Wed, 24 May 2017 07:14:01 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3/K3S with KXV3B Feature request
In-Reply-To: <715782396.1356429.1495632135381@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <715782396.1356429.1495632135381.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<715782396.1356429.1495632135381@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <425609DD-744F-4E11-BC10-69D15C7FC50F@elecraft.com>

Hi Mike,

Excellent idea. This should be a simple change to the K3/K3S firmware. 

73,
Wayne
N6KR


> On May 24, 2017, at 6:22 AM, M Cresap <m.cresap at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> Wayne/Eric
> 
> I'd like to use a lower net gain (on receive) transverter with a K3/K3S. The transverter IF frequency is 28 MHz. Would it be possible to selectively enable Preamp 2 of the KXV3B during transverter operation? Moving the transverter receive line to "Rx ant. in" and selecting Preamp 2 should result in improved sensitivity (with related change in dynamic range).
> 
> Thanks
> 
> 73, Mike, W3IP
> 


From n6kr at elecraft.com  Wed May 24 10:15:54 2017
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Wed, 24 May 2017 07:15:54 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Clever K3s cooling scheme?
In-Reply-To: <C3F4655BB5E74924BF2EDDD6C248C195@ROYKOEPPEHP>
References: <C3F4655BB5E74924BF2EDDD6C248C195@ROYKOEPPEHP>
Message-ID: <5BFAAE07-1839-4093-977F-003D2C67D9C9@elecraft.com>

Thanks for noticing, Roy :)

Wayne
N6KR


> On May 24, 2017, at 5:36 AM, Roy Koeppe <k6xk at ncn.net> wrote:
> 
> Re all the fans postings, it appears my K3s uses convection cooling during light usage periods, drawing air in at the rear, backwards thru the idle fans, and out the top. When fans engage, air flow is reversed...drawn in thru the top and out the back. "Simplicity is ingenuity."
> 
> 73,   Roy   K6XK 



From detrick at merzhaus.org  Wed May 24 10:22:10 2017
From: detrick at merzhaus.org (Detrick Merz)
Date: Wed, 24 May 2017 10:22:10 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K1 - 2 band, is possible to add another 2 band PCB ?
In-Reply-To: <CA+zAx0tM0EXg4J8m99E7sFx=SCGs7BssLVhLDTfNEfB9pk_AQA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+zAx0tM0EXg4J8m99E7sFx=SCGs7BssLVhLDTfNEfB9pk_AQA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJ-Q2SWmz1tBUW+JnvDEi21E1_1acsgVQ6JPhgsAv301upGZZA@mail.gmail.com>

All 4 bands cannot be installed at the same time. If you buy the second 2
band module for 20/40 you will have to remove the 80/15 module to install
the 20/40. You will also need to reprogram B1 to 14 and B2 to 7. Every time
you remove one band module and install another you should go through the
menu to change B1 and B2 to match the installed module.

73,

-detrick
KI4STU

On Wed, May 24, 2017 at 10:08 AM, roney <roneymonte at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello, now that my Rig is ready, I want to ask something that wasn't clear
> when I bought it.
>
> In Elecraft website, there is a "*KFL1-2
> <http://www.elecraft.com/k1_page.htm#K1%20Options> Additional 2 Band
> Module*";
> I did not buy it, because I still don't know if it works.
>
> I already have B1 as 3.500 mhz
> I already have B2 as 21.000 mhz
>
> If I buy and add the second 2 band module, can I have all together 4 bands
> in my Rig ?
> (Like adding B3 as 14.000 mhz, and B4 as 7.000 mhz)
>
> Thanks
> Roney PY1ZB
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From ka9zap at gmail.com  Wed May 24 11:57:49 2017
From: ka9zap at gmail.com (Arthur Nienhouse)
Date: Wed, 24 May 2017 10:57:49 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Feature request
Message-ID: <6bd91f71-4fd4-e0e5-6d41-3ebaec0ce93e@gmail.com>

*/I would like to see Band Stacking Register using the Band buttons on 
the amp's
Regards
Art
ka9zap
/*

From kk5f at earthlink.net  Wed May 24 12:04:59 2017
From: kk5f at earthlink.net (Mike Morrow)
Date: Wed, 24 May 2017 12:04:59 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Elecraft] K1 - VFO frequency range
Message-ID: <20287272.6947.1495641900352@elwamui-karabash.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

I assume you have already calibrated the LCD display on each band using the OCF menue function.  That makes the LCD indicate the actual transmitter output frequency,  This display calibration for each band must be performed before adjustment of where the low end of each band starts.

Because the K1 has no way of adjusting the oscillation frequency of the individual heterodyne crystals on the filter board, the only band edge adjustment possible is accomplished by altering the VFO frequency.  That affects both bands equally.

Your data show the K1 tuning band is too low by about 5.2 kHz.  The VFO SUBTRACTS from the heterodyne crystal frequency, so to RAISE the K1 frequency of operation you must LOWER the VFO frequency by squeezing CLOSER together some of the turns on the RF board L1 VFO toroid.  It won't require much.  Try that until the low end of 80m indicates about 3499.0 kHz on the LCD.  That 80m L1 adjustment will also bring the low end of 15m to about 20996.1 kHz.  That will be the closest you'll get on 15m.  If you adjusted L1 until 15m starts at 20999.0, then 80m will start at 3501.9 kHz.  You'll have lost some low end 80m coverage.

The K1 has been around since 2000, which is how long I've had #175.  What's the serial on your recent K1?  It's still a magnificent radio.

Mike / KK5F

-----Original Message-----
>From: roney <roneymonte at gmail.com>
>Sent: May 24, 2017 7:52 AM
>To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>Subject: [Elecraft] K1 - VFO frequency range
>
>Hello, I just finished all tests and adjustments in my K1.
>It works great. I have 2 filter band as 80m and 15m.
>It's transmitting and receiving very well.
>
>I followed all tests in:
>
>VFO Range Test (Page 38):
>VFO knob fully clockwise = 3.007 khz
>VFO knob fully counterclockwise = 3.091 khz
>VFO range = 84 khz
>
>So I did Band Assignments (Page 39), etc, etc.
>
>When seeing each band, my real ranges are:
>
>80m: 3.493,8   to  3.577,6 mhz
>15m: 20.990,9 to 21.074,6 mhz
>
>I did not understand how to adjust these low and high limits. Should I
>change some inductor turns ? or is there any menu adjust for these limits ?
>
>Thanks for the help,
>Roney Monte PY1ZB
>______________________________________________________________


From ron at cobi.biz  Wed May 24 12:09:12 2017
From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire)
Date: Wed, 24 May 2017 09:09:12 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Clever K3s cooling scheme?
In-Reply-To: <C3F4655BB5E74924BF2EDDD6C248C195@ROYKOEPPEHP>
References: <C3F4655BB5E74924BF2EDDD6C248C195@ROYKOEPPEHP>
Message-ID: <001e01d2d4a8$15cbaeb0$41630c10$@biz>

Right, Roy. It's a whole different cooling system. The K2 has an EXTERNAL
heat sink. The fan assists by cooling the components inside the KPA100 amp,
pushing air in across the components and out through holes around the
forward edge of the heat sink. The heat sink fins are on top of the K2 in
open air.

As you note, the fans exhaust warm air from the heat sink inside the K3 out
through the back.  

73, Ron AC7AC

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Roy
Koeppe
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 5:36 AM
To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] Clever K3s cooling scheme?

Re all the fans postings, it appears my K3s uses convection cooling during
light usage periods, drawing air in at the rear, backwards thru the idle
fans, and out the top. When fans engage, air flow is reversed...drawn in
thru the top and out the back. "Simplicity is ingenuity."

73,   Roy   K6XK 


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From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Wed May 24 12:15:32 2017
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Wed, 24 May 2017 12:15:32 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K1 - 2 band, is possible to add another 2 band PCB ?
In-Reply-To: <CA+zAx0tM0EXg4J8m99E7sFx=SCGs7BssLVhLDTfNEfB9pk_AQA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+zAx0tM0EXg4J8m99E7sFx=SCGs7BssLVhLDTfNEfB9pk_AQA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <247ee382-f26c-789d-7f41-281c3c89aec2@embarqmail.com>

Roney,

When you change band boards, you will have to enter the menu and change 
the "b1" and "b2" parameters to match whichever bands you have on the board.
b3 and b4 are only for the 4 band board which is no longer available.
The 2 band board only allows "b1" and "b2".

The K1 does remember the CAL OPF offsets for up to 6 bands, so if you 
set that up initially, you will have correct calibration and frequency 
display.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 5/24/2017 10:08 AM, roney wrote:
> Hello, now that my Rig is ready, I want to ask something that wasn't clear
> when I bought it.
> 
> In Elecraft website, there is a "*KFL1-2
> <http://www.elecraft.com/k1_page.htm#K1%20Options> Additional 2 Band Module*";
> I did not buy it, because I still don't know if it works.
> 

From kk5f at earthlink.net  Wed May 24 12:24:32 2017
From: kk5f at earthlink.net (Mike Morrow)
Date: Wed, 24 May 2017 11:24:32 -0500 (GMT-05:00)
Subject: [Elecraft] K1 - 2 band, is possible to add another 2 band PCB ?
Message-ID: <15823078.7509.1495643072521@elwamui-karabash.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Between 2002 and 2014 Elecraft made a four-band filter board KFL1-4 which allowed operation on 40m, 30m, and any two of 20m, 17m, and 15m.  It had superior RF performance on each band compared to equivalent two-band filter boards.  The unavailability of special temperature-stable trimmer capacitors forced its discontinuation.  It was a gem, after its design was altered to use those capacitors, and backfit kits to older boards became availble.

So when you read of a four-band K1, the discontinued KFL1-4 is what made it possible.

Mike / KK5F

-----Original Message-----
>From: roney <roneymonte at gmail.com>
>Sent: May 24, 2017 9:08 AM
>To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>Subject: [Elecraft] K1 - 2 band, is possible to add another 2 band PCB ?
>
>Hello, now that my Rig is ready, I want to ask something that wasn't clear
>when I bought it.
>
>In Elecraft website, there is a "*KFL1-2
><http://www.elecraft.com/k1_page.htm#K1%20Options> Additional 2 Band Module*";
>I did not buy it, because I still don't know if it works.
>
>I already have B1 as 3.500 mhz
>I already have B2 as 21.000 mhz
>
>If I buy and add the second 2 band module, can I have all together 4 bands
>in my Rig ?
>(Like adding B3 as 14.000 mhz, and B4 as 7.000 mhz)
>
>Thanks
>Roney PY1ZB


From billincolo73 at gmail.com  Wed May 24 12:39:48 2017
From: billincolo73 at gmail.com (Bill Leonard N0CU)
Date: Wed, 24 May 2017 09:39:48 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] Choking KPA500 and testing a box of unknown chokes
In-Reply-To: <832e7684-fd44-83be-28ec-b5206ae2ae70@triconet.org>
References: <CA+33ts7Y0fu7uVcMG-7B9ixvBCS4qnaQ+5TZK_iBaF4P2gEikA@mail.gmail.com>
	<31cebd78-fb5e-3802-6a07-58960aa02eb7@embarqmail.com>
	<1daf8b4c-ab61-96d7-ac25-7ba18cfd0ca0@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<c2f05940-0f03-7325-af6c-82b20004ef83@triconet.org>
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Message-ID: <1495643988271-7631074.post@n2.nabble.com>

Mike,

Wes raises one of the many interesting aspects of balun design, and not
surprisingly, one that there doesn't appear to be a consensus on. Two of the
main trade offs are bandwidth and choking impedance. The  highest choking BW
is usually obtain with an air core choke (coax looped with or without some
form like PVC). However, this approach is very high Q, which yields
relatively low R and narrow BW. I recently tested on of these that was
centered at 14 MHz (by adjusting the number of turns and loop diameter) and
the BW was only around 2-3 MHz. At the other end of the design spectrum is
the sleeve balun, which has a very broad BW (1-30 MHz), but it has a
relatively low impedance, which is almost entirely resistive. 

Some say to go for the maximum reactance and minimum resistance, others say
go for a net impedance of greater than 1K (or 5K depending on the "expert).
Then there is also the issue of power dissipation which I haven't even
touched on.

So, which balun type you need is driven by what you want the balun to do.
Feel free to contact me off line if you would like some more details.

Bill N0CU



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From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Wed May 24 13:18:19 2017
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Wed, 24 May 2017 10:18:19 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Choking KPA500 and testing a box of unknown chokes
In-Reply-To: <1495643988271-7631074.post@n2.nabble.com>
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On Wed,5/24/2017 9:39 AM, Bill Leonard N0CU wrote:
> Two of the
> main trade offs are bandwidth and choking impedance. The  highest choking BW
> is usually obtain with an air core choke (coax looped with or without some
> form like PVC). However, this approach is very high Q, which yields
> relatively low R and narrow BW.

Bill,

This simple-minded analysis is WRONG because it fails to realize the 
fact that the choke is adding inductance to a part of the antenna (the 
transmission line as a common mode conductor). It is, in fact, no 
different from adding a loading coil to an antenna to resonate it! At 
some frequencies, that transmission line will look capacitive, and at 
those frequencies, the added inductance causes the line to resonate, 
INCREASING common mode current rather than reducing it.

Think about it -- how is this air core inductor different from a loading 
coil that we add to the base of a short vertical to resonate it?  Using 
your logic, that loading coil ought to block the current, but we all 
know that it does not.

THIS fundamental principle is why air core chokes DON'T work in many 
systems. That is, they don't choke common mode current. Now, the ANTENNA 
works to the extent that it radiates (and may yield a fine SWR, which is 
NOT a measure of how well the antenna works), so users think the choke 
is fine.

The virtue of chokes wound on lossy ferrite cores is that by using a 
suitable number of turns, the choke, with the stray C between turns and 
the loss (resistance) coupled from the core forms a parallel resonant 
circuit with a very low Q, and with a high value of resistance at 
resonance. And the low Q (typically on the order of 0.5) makes that 
resonance quite broad so that it can cover multiple ham bands. In 
addition, #31 material have a second dimensional resonance below 3 MHz 
that broadens the choking Z curve much as did stagger-tuned" IF stages. 
That large value resistance reduces common mode current -- it can never 
"resonate" with the antenna (transmission line) into which it is inserted.

This, and other concepts associated with common mode chokes are 
articulated in a tutorial that is on my website, and was added to the 
ARRL Handbook in 2010.

73, Jim K9YC


From eric at elecraft.com  Wed May 24 15:44:29 2017
From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft)
Date: Wed, 24 May 2017 12:44:29 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Choking KPA500 and testing a box of unknown chokes
In-Reply-To: <d7810267-ec60-0709-a8b6-7bfd0132d9e8@audiosystemsgroup.com>
References: <CA+33ts7Y0fu7uVcMG-7B9ixvBCS4qnaQ+5TZK_iBaF4P2gEikA@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <ce7a258d-7be8-e462-1e18-78d0ffe04825@elecraft.com>

Folks - we are now at 10 posts in a storp period on this OT thread.

Let's close the thread now in the interest of lowering email overload for our 
other readers. Please take it to direct email as needed.

73,
Eric
Moderator
/elecraft.com/



From billincolo73 at gmail.com  Wed May 24 16:16:43 2017
From: billincolo73 at gmail.com (Bill Leonard N0CU)
Date: Wed, 24 May 2017 13:16:43 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] Choking KPA500 and testing a box of unknown chokes
In-Reply-To: <d7810267-ec60-0709-a8b6-7bfd0132d9e8@audiosystemsgroup.com>
References: <CA+33ts7Y0fu7uVcMG-7B9ixvBCS4qnaQ+5TZK_iBaF4P2gEikA@mail.gmail.com>
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	<1daf8b4c-ab61-96d7-ac25-7ba18cfd0ca0@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<c2f05940-0f03-7325-af6c-82b20004ef83@triconet.org>
	<d6f1e88c-82ae-0208-c5f1-23c068d91b88@audiosystemsgroup.com>
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Jim,

I apologize: I made a typo in my post. It should have said "...the highest
choking IMPEDANCE is usually obtained with an air core choke (coax looped
with or without some form like PVC)". Maybe this is an over-statement, but
of the few chokes I have tested, air core chokes made with just standard
coax have shown the highest net impedance, but also the narrowest useable BW
because of the high Q. I have seen these baluns used in countless QST
articles over the years, and even as part of some commercial antenna
designs.

In my previous posts, I tried to emphasize that choosing a choke to reduce
common mode current needs to be a system level process. Because of the
importance of the resonance problem, I explicitly stated that adding a choke
can either reduce, have no effect on, or increase the common mode current. I
appreciate the points you make regarding the use of a ferrite core that
yields wide BW and high resistance. However, there are those that argue
against this approach by claiming that there is no need to burn up the
common mode energy in the choke resistance, when you could just as easily
use a high reactance choke to reflect it and re-radiate it out the antenna.
However, the proponents of this approach either don?t discuss the potential
resonance problem, or state that as long as the choke?s resistive component
is greater than 5x the antenna feed impedance, you don?t need to worry about
it.

Bill  N0CU




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From terje at elde.net  Wed May 24 16:31:29 2017
From: terje at elde.net (Terje Elde)
Date: Wed, 24 May 2017 22:31:29 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] LiIon types, and safety (was: Fire in the house li-ion)
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> On 24 May 2017, at 15:20, Richard Fjeld <rpfjeld at outlook.com> wrote:
> 
> I had bought a balance charger and a voltage monitor, and low voltage alarms, but I have made battery packs that wouldn?t be practical to  attach a monitor to.  Example, I have an old Kenwood hand-held that hasn?t had a battery pack for years.   Now, for a few dollars,  I had made a battery pack for it.
> 
> I also have CREE flashlights made for the 18650, and 14500 batteries.  There is no way to monitor the voltage in this application.  I tested one yesterday and found it was down to 2.0 volts.

There are LiIons out there (18650 and maybe also 14500) that have built-in protections against all sorts of things, including both under- and overvoltage.  That can significantly reduce various risks associated with them.

There are a few downsides:
 - They can be longer, might not fit in all equipment
 - They can have current-limits, typically not a problem with flashlights, but can be with higher power radios (a few amps is certainly fine, I?d expect no issues for QRP).
 - They can appear ?dead? if the voltage ever drops too low.

About the last part?  Sorry if it?s been already mentioned in this thread, but LiIons can become more dangerous if they stay completely depleted for a long time.  Best for storage of regular LiIons is probably around 3.6V, but if you have a choice between fully charged or fully depleted, go with the fully charged.

> (Also being marketed today, are packs to jump-start cars and trucks. That will be interesting!)
> 
> This thread has made gel-cells look pretty good to me again.

There?s a lot of different chemistries when it comes to LiIon batteries, and they each have different tradeoffs.

If you?d like to gain a little bit in safety, consider IMR, INR or NCR batteries.  They are intrinsically a bit less scary than some of the other chemistries, like ICR.  Googling a battery will typically lead you to a data sheet about this kind of information.  Not only is it harder to get an incident from these, but the incident would be less severe as well.

All of those batteries operate with the same voltage range, but the mentioned types typically have a bit less capacity (for an 186500, that might be 2000 - 3000mAh, where ICR can be up towards 3400mAh).  Those batteries can often provide more current safely though, and can also have less of a voltage drop.  That in turn, means you won?t get to battery low as fast (caused by the voltage having dropped low enough).  Bottom line to that is that at higher currents (couple of amps and up) you might get similar real runtime from a 3000mAh IMR battery, as from a 3400mAh ICR battery.

Then there?s LiFePo4.  These have a different (lower) voltage range, and you?d need a charger with specific support for them.  That used to be a problem, but it?s not anymore.  You can find chargers in all price ranges for these.

They are a lot safer than other Li-chemistries, and they?ll survive something like 10 times the number of cycles (ballpark of 2000 vs 200).  They can often support a higher current, they?re more forgiving on overcharging, and so on and so forth.  You?re paying the same tradeoff as the other chemistries though, with less energy density, but better safety and higher current.

They do have another property that makes them really nice for radios though, which is a fairly flat discharge curve, spending most of their time around 3.2V.  Four of them in series would give you about 12.8V for most of the discharge, a much better voltage for our needs, than ?regular? LiIon which would be between 9.9V and 12.6V for a 3-cell, or 13.2V and 16.8V for a 4-cell battery.


Yeah, Li-batteries can be scary, but so can any other high concentration of energy.  If you pick your cells carefully, protect them physically and electrically (charging, usage, fuse, etc), keep a watchful eye on them (temperature?  signs of damage?), then you can greatly reduce any risk, even to a lower level than the LiPo you probably have in your cellphone.


Personally I?m probably going to go with 18650 or 26650 LiFePo4 batteries, two packs of 4S1P.  Just haven?t decided yet if I want a read made pack, or if I want to set the pack up myself.  The latter would probably allow for easier removal of the cells, to charge them externally.

For those of you in Europe, nkon.nl is a trusted supplier with good prices (though currently not shipping to Norway last I checked)..

73,
Terje Elde / LB8KH


From n6kr at elecraft.com  Wed May 24 17:01:09 2017
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Wed, 24 May 2017 14:01:09 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] LiIon types,
 and safety (was: Fire in the house li-ion)
In-Reply-To: <8F31DDB6-2AA0-4E2B-A384-6C1EF6BDE26F@elde.net>
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> On May 24, 2017, at 1:31 PM, Terje Elde <terje at elde.net> wrote:
> 
> There are LiIons out there (18650 and maybe also 14500) that have built-in protections against all sorts of things, including both under- and overvoltage.  That can significantly reduce various risks associated with them.


The custom battery pack for the KX2 (KXBT2) is one of these. Our pack includes the protection module inside the shrink-wrap. We allowed for this in dimensioning the radio. 

We extensively tested 20 prototypes of the battery and charger, and were very thorough in ensuring they were safe to use. That said, we also provide a comprehensive list of guidelines for battery pack charging, storage and use, in the documentation that comes with the pack.

73,
Wayne
N6KR


From eastbrantwood at gmail.com  Wed May 24 18:07:55 2017
From: eastbrantwood at gmail.com (Stephen Prior)
Date: Wed, 24 May 2017 23:07:55 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] LiIon types,
	and safety (was: Fire in the house li-ion)
In-Reply-To: <32C7238F-B874-4818-AE64-B47C7132118B@elecraft.com>
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	<000001d2d0ca$fa881840$ef9848c0$@swbell.net>
	<CAOH7AOrndTWpFcfTd50Qo_b27idzj0_7qG2xxDTTAytbGC9dig@mail.gmail.com>
	<DM5PR1601MB1210B47EDD04F28EDD8A7B20BFFE0@DM5PR1601MB1210.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
	<8F31DDB6-2AA0-4E2B-A384-6C1EF6BDE26F@elde.net>
	<32C7238F-B874-4818-AE64-B47C7132118B@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <CA+vZ_+LM1+1q6FA0zEwzuYkdkTWogwex-uyWd9NdbqVCyU6wyw@mail.gmail.com>

Which is why I've given up on homebrewing an extra pack - albeit for
external use - I have bought another KXBT2!

I have to say though, that I'm still not finding it totally straightforward
getting the two halves of the KX2 back together again after replacing the
battery.  When I received the KX2, the battery wires were pinched between
the case and the edge of the vertical filter board and were already showing
chafing of the insulation.  Having removed and reinstalled the filter board
in installing the ATU, I now no longer have the speaker cables pinched, but
I have to be very careful how I dress the speaker cables before putting the
two halves of the case back together.  I wonder if there could be some
further guidance from Elecraft on this?

On a different topic, having now bought the option which includes the clock
module, I'm looking forward to the firmware update which will provide us
with the logbook data based upon transmitted CW text!  Thanks in
anticipation Wayne!

73 Stephen, G4SJP

On 24 May 2017 at 22:01, Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com> wrote:

>
> > On May 24, 2017, at 1:31 PM, Terje Elde <terje at elde.net> wrote:
> >
> > There are LiIons out there (18650 and maybe also 14500) that have
> built-in protections against all sorts of things, including both under- and
> overvoltage.  That can significantly reduce various risks associated with
> them.
>
>
> The custom battery pack for the KX2 (KXBT2) is one of these. Our pack
> includes the protection module inside the shrink-wrap. We allowed for this
> in dimensioning the radio.
>
> We extensively tested 20 prototypes of the battery and charger, and were
> very thorough in ensuring they were safe to use. That said, we also provide
> a comprehensive list of guidelines for battery pack charging, storage and
> use, in the documentation that comes with the pack.
>
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR
>
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From rwnewbould at comcast.net  Wed May 24 18:29:14 2017
From: rwnewbould at comcast.net (Rich)
Date: Wed, 24 May 2017 18:29:14 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Diversity and RF/Vol Controls
Message-ID: <a1c44ed4-3e76-ebf0-a8fe-87512032564d@comcast.net>

I am a bit lost when the radio is in diversity mode.   Once I engage 
Diversity mode does the Main RF gain and Main AF take over for both 
receivers?  At least that appears to be the case.

Hence the Sub RF gain and Sub AF have no function at that point?

Rich
K3RWN

From jnogatch at gmail.com  Wed May 24 18:42:24 2017
From: jnogatch at gmail.com (John Nogatch)
Date: Wed, 24 May 2017 15:42:24 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Diversity and RF/Vol Controls
In-Reply-To: <a1c44ed4-3e76-ebf0-a8fe-87512032564d@comcast.net>
References: <a1c44ed4-3e76-ebf0-a8fe-87512032564d@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <CADTTAayroASKS4+6OfdmrgT+P5X-fFnWSxOoWPFnjvO0BMimPQ@mail.gmail.com>

> ...Diversity mode does the Main RF gain and Main AF take over for both
> receivers?  At least that appears to be the case...
>
> Hence the Sub RF gain and Sub AF have no function at that point?

Check that CONFIG: SPKRS is set to 2
otherwise it will behave as you described.

Also, you need to have 2 speakers, and/or stereo headset.

-John AC6SL

From terje at elde.net  Wed May 24 19:01:16 2017
From: terje at elde.net (Terje Elde)
Date: Thu, 25 May 2017 01:01:16 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] LiIon types,
	and safety (was: Fire in the house li-ion)
In-Reply-To: <32C7238F-B874-4818-AE64-B47C7132118B@elecraft.com>
References: <5721D1A0-CFBB-4849-AEB9-91ECCEA4EDFF@zendamateur.nu>
	<DM5PR1601MB1210CBEB56E9D3E153635CAABFE40@DM5PR1601MB1210.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
	<1495141685713-7630810.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<002c01d2d0bd$1ca88c10$55f9a430$@swbell.net>
	<003601d2d0c7$3f75cdc0$be616940$@biz>
	<000001d2d0ca$fa881840$ef9848c0$@swbell.net>
	<CAOH7AOrndTWpFcfTd50Qo_b27idzj0_7qG2xxDTTAytbGC9dig@mail.gmail.com>
	<DM5PR1601MB1210B47EDD04F28EDD8A7B20BFFE0@DM5PR1601MB1210.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
	<8F31DDB6-2AA0-4E2B-A384-6C1EF6BDE26F@elde.net>
	<32C7238F-B874-4818-AE64-B47C7132118B@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <7D3646A6-3FDF-4212-B082-4A42C1E106C7@elde.net>


> On 24 May 2017, at 23:01, Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com> wrote:
> 
> 
>> On May 24, 2017, at 1:31 PM, Terje Elde <terje at elde.net> wrote:
>> 
>> There are LiIons out there (18650 and maybe also 14500) that have built-in protections against all sorts of things, including both under- and overvoltage.  That can significantly reduce various risks associated with them.
> 
> 
> The custom battery pack for the KX2 (KXBT2) is one of these. Our pack includes the protection module inside the shrink-wrap. We allowed for this in dimensioning the radio. 
> 
> We extensively tested 20 prototypes of the battery and charger, and were very thorough in ensuring they were safe to use. That said, we also provide a comprehensive list of guidelines for battery pack charging, storage and use, in the documentation that comes with the pack.

Hi list,

When I did the quick writeup on battery chemistries etc, I was thinking mostly about situations where you pick batteries yourself, for external batteries.

While I came out recommending LiFePo4 for that, I didn?t really have internal batteries like in the KX2 in mind.  Internal batteries are a different ballgame, for the reasons Wayne mentioned.  They?re often matched to a unit, provided with a lot of safety features, and then finally protected by a hard shell securing the physical package.

Also, LiFePo4s wouldn?t make sense in such a miniaturised setup, due to the lower energy density.  You?d trade up in size and weight, or down in runtime.

Such packages as in the KX2, with internal safety features are commonly used by a lot of makers with comparatively little knowledge compared to HAMs, and they are fairly safe.


LiIon is scary enough to be cautions, but so is lead acid, gasoline, and any other high energy density thing.  Stay on the safe side, make good choices and buy from reputable brands and vendors, protect things and be careful, and you should be just fine.

Terje


From rwnewbould at comcast.net  Wed May 24 19:02:07 2017
From: rwnewbould at comcast.net (Rich)
Date: Wed, 24 May 2017 19:02:07 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Diversity and RF/Vol Controls
In-Reply-To: <CADTTAayroASKS4+6OfdmrgT+P5X-fFnWSxOoWPFnjvO0BMimPQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a1c44ed4-3e76-ebf0-a8fe-87512032564d@comcast.net>
	<CADTTAayroASKS4+6OfdmrgT+P5X-fFnWSxOoWPFnjvO0BMimPQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <26e031c7-3057-0d53-8846-52592dcf828d@comcast.net>

Yes SPKRS is set to 2.   I get nothing in my left (sub) speaker during 
diversity.   The left spkr works fine when I use the Sub and Main RXs 
separately.

rich


On 5/24/2017 18:42 PM, John Nogatch wrote:
>> ...Diversity mode does the Main RF gain and Main AF take over for both
>> receivers?  At least that appears to be the case...
>>
>> Hence the Sub RF gain and Sub AF have no function at that point?
> Check that CONFIG: SPKRS is set to 2
> otherwise it will behave as you described.
>
> Also, you need to have 2 speakers, and/or stereo headset.
>
> -John AC6SL
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From cautery at montac.com  Wed May 24 19:27:11 2017
From: cautery at montac.com (Clay Autery)
Date: Wed, 24 May 2017 18:27:11 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3s, FM T, -, repeater setup on 6m
Message-ID: <4eab6cba-4c11-b7c7-a3e1-dabe32666047@montac.com>

I think I have this right....

We have a local 6M repeater.  It's 53.05 receive -1kHz for TX. (52.05). 
Tone set for 186.2

I can hear the station ID....
And, I can see where my TX is sending the tone (on the P3).
But no one is hearing me.

Is this because the repeater is using TSql, rather than plain-ole Tone? 
(2 way tone vs. 1 way only)

Am I correct that the K3S will decode but not encode Tone?  (or do I
have it backwards)

Thanks!

-- 
______________________
Clay Autery, KY5G


From dmboresz at gmail.com  Wed May 24 19:31:52 2017
From: dmboresz at gmail.com (Dale Boresz)
Date: Wed, 24 May 2017 19:31:52 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Diversity and RF/Vol Controls
In-Reply-To: <26e031c7-3057-0d53-8846-52592dcf828d@comcast.net>
References: <a1c44ed4-3e76-ebf0-a8fe-87512032564d@comcast.net>
	<CADTTAayroASKS4+6OfdmrgT+P5X-fFnWSxOoWPFnjvO0BMimPQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<26e031c7-3057-0d53-8846-52592dcf828d@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <CAPkaV9DrL0URspGE1zKwcWrRcKn39qJeh8UQWNumpsszjuSfVg@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Rich,

I have been using diversity reception on the K3 on 40m for years, and can
control both RF gains separately, and the AF Gain controls are set so that
the larger one acts as a balance control, and the smaller one acts as a
master volume control for both simultaneously (however that can be changed
to independent AF gain controls if that is your preference).

Some of the relevant menu settings (though probably not all) are set as
follows on my radio:
SQ SUB : 00 (Fully CCW)
SQ MAIN: 00 (Fully CCW)
SUB AF : BALANCE  (for the balance/master gain scenario I described above)
-- or --
SUB AF : nor (to enable individual control of the AF Gain for the Sub and
the Main RX)

Hope this helps.

73,

Dale - WA8SRA



On Wed, May 24, 2017 at 7:02 PM, Rich <rwnewbould at comcast.net> wrote:

> Yes SPKRS is set to 2.   I get nothing in my left (sub) speaker during
> diversity.   The left spkr works fine when I use the Sub and Main RXs
> separately.
>
> rich
>
>
> On 5/24/2017 18:42 PM, John Nogatch wrote:
>
>> ...Diversity mode does the Main RF gain and Main AF take over for both
>>> receivers?  At least that appears to be the case...
>>>
>>> Hence the Sub RF gain and Sub AF have no function at that point?
>>>
>> Check that CONFIG: SPKRS is set to 2
>> otherwise it will behave as you described.
>>
>> Also, you need to have 2 speakers, and/or stereo headset.
>>
>> -John AC6SL
>> ______________________________________________________________
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From kq5stom at gmail.com  Wed May 24 20:18:41 2017
From: kq5stom at gmail.com (Tom-KQ5S)
Date: Wed, 24 May 2017 19:18:41 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Diversity and RF/Vol Controls
In-Reply-To: <CAPkaV9DrL0URspGE1zKwcWrRcKn39qJeh8UQWNumpsszjuSfVg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a1c44ed4-3e76-ebf0-a8fe-87512032564d@comcast.net>
	<CADTTAayroASKS4+6OfdmrgT+P5X-fFnWSxOoWPFnjvO0BMimPQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<26e031c7-3057-0d53-8846-52592dcf828d@comcast.net>
	<CAPkaV9DrL0URspGE1zKwcWrRcKn39qJeh8UQWNumpsszjuSfVg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CABBJzNiDpvr=n7KXXZL-bFyvrHRmMAZT9VMpAczQA6GaWevPDw@mail.gmail.com>

I had forgotten about setting the SUB AF to balance.  Thanks for the
reminder.
Is there a macro command that will adjust the balance?  I set the SUB AF to
Balance and the knob on the radio controls the balance.  My macro to set
the SUB AF Gain still sets the gain instead of the balance.


73,
Tom - KQ5S

On Wed, May 24, 2017 at 6:31 PM, Dale Boresz <dmboresz at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello Rich,
>
> I have been using diversity reception on the K3 on 40m for years, and can
> control both RF gains separately, and the AF Gain controls are set so that
> the larger one acts as a balance control, and the smaller one acts as a
> master volume control for both simultaneously (however that can be changed
> to independent AF gain controls if that is your preference).
>
> Some of the relevant menu settings (though probably not all) are set as
> follows on my radio:
> SQ SUB : 00 (Fully CCW)
> SQ MAIN: 00 (Fully CCW)
> SUB AF : BALANCE  (for the balance/master gain scenario I described above)
> -- or --
> SUB AF : nor (to enable individual control of the AF Gain for the Sub and
> the Main RX)
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> 73,
>
> Dale - WA8SRA
>
>
>
> On Wed, May 24, 2017 at 7:02 PM, Rich <rwnewbould at comcast.net> wrote:
>
> > Yes SPKRS is set to 2.   I get nothing in my left (sub) speaker during
> > diversity.   The left spkr works fine when I use the Sub and Main RXs
> > separately.
> >
> > rich
> >
> >
> > On 5/24/2017 18:42 PM, John Nogatch wrote:
> >
> >> ...Diversity mode does the Main RF gain and Main AF take over for both
> >>> receivers?  At least that appears to be the case...
> >>>
> >>> Hence the Sub RF gain and Sub AF have no function at that point?
> >>>
> >> Check that CONFIG: SPKRS is set to 2
> >> otherwise it will behave as you described.
> >>
> >> Also, you need to have 2 speakers, and/or stereo headset.
> >>
> >> -John AC6SL
> >> ______________________________________________________________
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From rwnewbould at comcast.net  Wed May 24 20:35:03 2017
From: rwnewbould at comcast.net (Rich)
Date: Wed, 24 May 2017 20:35:03 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Diversity and RF/Vol Controls
In-Reply-To: <CAPkaV9DrL0URspGE1zKwcWrRcKn39qJeh8UQWNumpsszjuSfVg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a1c44ed4-3e76-ebf0-a8fe-87512032564d@comcast.net>
	<CADTTAayroASKS4+6OfdmrgT+P5X-fFnWSxOoWPFnjvO0BMimPQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<26e031c7-3057-0d53-8846-52592dcf828d@comcast.net>
	<CAPkaV9DrL0URspGE1zKwcWrRcKn39qJeh8UQWNumpsszjuSfVg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <b1867ac3-1600-d6ad-a6bd-a70f089f6520@comcast.net>

I think there is an issue with the radio.  I have everything set as 
suggested.   The SubRX works fine as a standalone RXer.   In diversity 
mode I get nothing from the subRX (right speaker)

Rich


On 5/24/2017 19:31 PM, Dale Boresz wrote:
> Hello Rich,
>
> I have been using diversity reception on the K3 on 40m for years, and 
> can control both RF gains separately, and the AF Gain controls are set 
> so that the larger one acts as a balance control, and the smaller one 
> acts as a master volume control for both simultaneously (however that 
> can be changed to independent AF gain controls if that is your 
> preference).
>
> Some of the relevant menu settings (though probably not all) are set 
> as follows on my radio:
> SQ SUB : 00 (Fully CCW)
> SQ MAIN: 00 (Fully CCW)
> SUB AF : BALANCE  (for the balance/master gain scenario I described above)
> -- or --
> SUB AF : nor (to enable individual control of the AF Gain for the Sub 
> and the Main RX)
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> 73,
>
> Dale - WA8SRA
>
>
>
> On Wed, May 24, 2017 at 7:02 PM, Rich <rwnewbould at comcast.net 
> <mailto:rwnewbould at comcast.net>> wrote:
>
>     Yes SPKRS is set to 2.   I get nothing in my left (sub) speaker
>     during diversity.   The left spkr works fine when I use the Sub
>     and Main RXs separately.
>
>     rich
>
>
>     On 5/24/2017 18:42 PM, John Nogatch wrote:
>
>             ...Diversity mode does the Main RF gain and Main AF take
>             over for both
>             receivers?  At least that appears to be the case...
>
>             Hence the Sub RF gain and Sub AF have no function at that
>             point?
>
>         Check that CONFIG: SPKRS is set to 2
>         otherwise it will behave as you described.
>
>         Also, you need to have 2 speakers, and/or stereo headset.
>
>         -John AC6SL
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From rwnewbould at comcast.net  Wed May 24 21:27:21 2017
From: rwnewbould at comcast.net (Rich)
Date: Wed, 24 May 2017 21:27:21 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Sub Receiver quits working in Diversity mode
Message-ID: <17dffe20-2bed-a057-598b-1f08acbe7a09@comcast.net>


When I put my K3 #3300 FW5.57 into Diversity mode.  The sub receiver 
stops receiving after a few minutes.

If I use the sub receiver as a second receiver (no diversity) the sub RX 
never stops receiving.

Any Ideas?

Rich

K3RWN


From cameronfranceyutils at hotmail.com  Wed May 24 22:56:26 2017
From: cameronfranceyutils at hotmail.com (Cameron Francey)
Date: Thu, 25 May 2017 02:56:26 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] K1 - VFO frequency range
In-Reply-To: <20287272.6947.1495641900352@elwamui-karabash.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <20287272.6947.1495641900352@elwamui-karabash.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <CY4PR1601MB1318F82688C2D774951C4FD9A5FF0@CY4PR1601MB1318.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>

Just as an additional note.  I built two K1's last year and even though I wound the turns for L1 so they were really tight as I found from experience its much easier to spread them out a bit than to compress them again.  In both K1's I actually had to remove one turn to get the VFO low enough.  The manual does mention this may be needed.


Just though I'd bring that up since I had to do that fairly recently.



Cameron - AF7DK/GM7LQR



________________________________
From: Elecraft <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> on behalf of Mike Morrow <kk5f at earthlink.net>
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 9:04 AM
To: roney; elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K1 - VFO frequency range

I assume you have already calibrated the LCD display on each band using the OCF menue function.  That makes the LCD indicate the actual transmitter output frequency,  This display calibration for each band must be performed before adjustment of where the low end of each band starts.

Because the K1 has no way of adjusting the oscillation frequency of the individual heterodyne crystals on the filter board, the only band edge adjustment possible is accomplished by altering the VFO frequency.  That affects both bands equally.

Your data show the K1 tuning band is too low by about 5.2 kHz.  The VFO SUBTRACTS from the heterodyne crystal frequency, so to RAISE the K1 frequency of operation you must LOWER the VFO frequency by squeezing CLOSER together some of the turns on the RF board L1 VFO toroid.  It won't require much.  Try that until the low end of 80m indicates about 3499.0 kHz on the LCD.  That 80m L1 adjustment will also bring the low end of 15m to about 20996.1 kHz.  That will be the closest you'll get on 15m.  If you adjusted L1 until 15m starts at 20999.0, then 80m will start at 3501.9 kHz.  You'll have lost some low end 80m coverage.


From ron at cobi.biz  Wed May 24 23:00:48 2017
From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire)
Date: Wed, 24 May 2017 20:00:48 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] LiIon types,
	and safety (was: Fire in the house li-ion)
In-Reply-To: <CA+vZ_+LM1+1q6FA0zEwzuYkdkTWogwex-uyWd9NdbqVCyU6wyw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5721D1A0-CFBB-4849-AEB9-91ECCEA4EDFF@zendamateur.nu>	<DM5PR1601MB1210CBEB56E9D3E153635CAABFE40@DM5PR1601MB1210.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>	<1495141685713-7630810.post@n2.nabble.com>	<002c01d2d0bd$1ca88c10$55f9a430$@swbell.net>	<003601d2d0c7$3f75cdc0$be616940$@biz>	<000001d2d0ca$fa881840$ef9848c0$@swbell.net>	<CAOH7AOrndTWpFcfTd50Qo_b27idzj0_7qG2xxDTTAytbGC9dig@mail.gmail.com>	<DM5PR1601MB1210B47EDD04F28EDD8A7B20BFFE0@DM5PR1601MB1210.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>	<8F31DDB6-2AA0-4E2B-A384-6C1EF6BDE26F@elde.net>	<32C7238F-B874-4818-AE64-B47C7132118B@elecraft.com>
	<CA+vZ_+LM1+1q6FA0zEwzuYkdkTWogwex-uyWd9NdbqVCyU6wyw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <003b01d2d503$1d076dd0$57164970$@biz>

I have found that having a KXBT2 around is very handy in the shop. If I have
the K2, K3, KX3 or other 13V rig on the bench and want to power it up for
checks, to run an alignment, etc., I just plug in the KXBT2. 

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of
Stephen Prior
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 3:08 PM
To: Wayne Burdick
Cc: Elecraft Reflector
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] LiIon types, and safety (was: Fire in the house
li-ion)

Which is why I've given up on homebrewing an extra pack - albeit for
external use - I have bought another KXBT2!

73 Stephen, G4SJP

On 24 May 2017 at 22:01, Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com> wrote:



From vk5zm at bistre.net  Thu May 25 03:22:49 2017
From: vk5zm at bistre.net (Matthew Cook)
Date: Thu, 25 May 2017 16:52:49 +0930
Subject: [Elecraft] SO2R Antenna/Band Information
Message-ID: <CAE+2d_3hdnfV80iMh6F=5FmsZVbK7Gcg++brB-FTDhuaiNCtRA@mail.gmail.com>

I'm currently trying to get my head around where to get antenna band
information for a K-line SO2R setup using a Microham MK2R+.

I believe I can pick up band information useful for making antenna
selections from the following two locations;

   - back of the Microham MK2R+... or
   - from the 15-pin ACC (between K3 and KPA500 via Y-Cable)

I'm wondering if there are any pitfalls or hidden gotchya's in either of
these two locations.

To me it seems more sensible to slave the antenna section to the KPA500's
since it knows where it will be transmitting when PTT is engaged; where as
the back of the Microham MK2R+ is where "it thinks" or "has told" the radio
and amp should be...   Logically the same but time differences or local
user input can make the two different.

Any suggestions or guidance gratefully appreciated.

The Microham MK2R+ that arrived today certainly has a steep learning curve !

73

Matthew
VK5ZM

From w1bnc52 at gmail.com  Thu May 25 06:39:05 2017
From: w1bnc52 at gmail.com (Mike Keller)
Date: Thu, 25 May 2017 06:39:05 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 external touch screen
Message-ID: <7BDF1DCE-7A05-4526-AE1A-233A304D1D89@gmail.com>

Hi

With Field Day around the corner, I am planning to bring a larger LCD monitor than I use on my P3 SVGA when in my shack to enhance the visual experience of our guests. I have noticed that since last Field Day, the prices of touch screen monitors have fallen precipitously

 Our current generation of young prospective Hams are definitely touch screen oriented and I think they would find it attractive.  Is there any way to use one with the K line?
I am not adverse to using additional hardware.

Tnx,
Mike 
W1BNC
K lines 2 and 3



From jim at jtmiller.com  Thu May 25 10:28:59 2017
From: jim at jtmiller.com (Jim Miller)
Date: Thu, 25 May 2017 10:28:59 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Impatiently waiting...KPA1500
Message-ID: <CACYeN9z_n=mAnABCfHvxkqLeQ_U1hUnKQySU6yfTP2PWkS-AbA@mail.gmail.com>

Sold off my KPA500 and ACOM1500 and now barefoot with K3s.

This waiting will no doubt make me crazier than usual. :-)

I'll be low power in WPX CW this weekend.

73

jim ab3cv

From roneymonte at gmail.com  Thu May 25 10:48:27 2017
From: roneymonte at gmail.com (roney)
Date: Thu, 25 May 2017 11:48:27 -0300
Subject: [Elecraft] K1 - VFO frequency range
In-Reply-To: <CY4PR1601MB1318F82688C2D774951C4FD9A5FF0@CY4PR1601MB1318.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
References: <20287272.6947.1495641900352@elwamui-karabash.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
	<CY4PR1601MB1318F82688C2D774951C4FD9A5FF0@CY4PR1601MB1318.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CA+zAx0v+hArHdThzBf=QEHYePMOPHvKPfcX7OooPUfSOW+3Lxw@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Mike and Cameron, I appreciate your tips.
I adjusted the L1 inductor, getting 3.500,3 mhz and 20.098,2 mhz on VFO.
That was perfect to me.

(updating Cameron about the email)

So I moved the rig to another place and used another PSU (first using a
12,4v, and after using a 13.8v PSU)
I noticed that this minimum frequency changed to 3.501,2 mhz.
No problem about that.

Thanks and 73,
de PY1ZB, Roney

On Wed, May 24, 2017 at 11:56 PM, Cameron Francey <
cameronfranceyutils at hotmail.com> wrote:

> Just as an additional note.  I built two K1's last year and even though I
> wound the turns for L1 so they were really tight as I found from experience
> its much easier to spread them out a bit than to compress them again.  In
> both K1's I actually had to remove one turn to get the VFO low enough.  The
> manual does mention this may be needed.
>
>
> Just though I'd bring that up since I had to do that fairly recently.
>
>
>
> Cameron - AF7DK/GM7LQR
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Elecraft <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> on behalf of Mike
> Morrow <kk5f at earthlink.net>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 24, 2017 9:04 AM
> *To:* roney; elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> *Subject:* Re: [Elecraft] K1 - VFO frequency range
>
> I assume you have already calibrated the LCD display on each band using
> the OCF menue function.  That makes the LCD indicate the actual transmitter
> output frequency,  This display calibration for each band must be performed
> before adjustment of where the low end of each band starts.
>
> Because the K1 has no way of adjusting the oscillation frequency of the
> individual heterodyne crystals on the filter board, the only band edge
> adjustment possible is accomplished by altering the VFO frequency.  That
> affects both bands equally.
>
> Your data show the K1 tuning band is too low by about 5.2 kHz.  The VFO
> SUBTRACTS from the heterodyne crystal frequency, so to RAISE the K1
> frequency of operation you must LOWER the VFO frequency by squeezing CLOSER
> together some of the turns on the RF board L1 VFO toroid.  It won't require
> much.  Try that until the low end of 80m indicates about 3499.0 kHz on the
> LCD.  That 80m L1 adjustment will also bring the low end of 15m to about
> 20996.1 kHz.  That will be the closest you'll get on 15m.  If you adjusted
> L1 until 15m starts at 20999.0, then 80m will start at 3501.9 kHz.  You'll
> have lost some low end 80m coverage.
>
>

From lists at subich.com  Thu May 25 11:17:51 2017
From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV)
Date: Thu, 25 May 2017 11:17:51 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] SO2R Antenna/Band Information
In-Reply-To: <CAE+2d_3hdnfV80iMh6F=5FmsZVbK7Gcg++brB-FTDhuaiNCtRA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAE+2d_3hdnfV80iMh6F=5FmsZVbK7Gcg++brB-FTDhuaiNCtRA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0e5df7e7-762a-b2fc-ffed-d1507cc8b082@subich.com>

On 5/25/2017 3:22 AM, Matthew Cook wrote:
> I'm wondering if there are any pitfalls or hidden gotchya's in either
> of these two locations.

No.  Each will require a binary (BCD) to one of 16 (10) decoder to drive
"one line per antenna" switches.  The K3 will provide encoded band info,
the MK2R+ can provide either encoded band info or encoded antenna info
depending on data source.

MK2R+ can derive data from transceiver frequency with a customizable
band table (Router | Options | Band Map) that would allow one to
define separate "bands" - for example 80 and 75 meters - or can derive
either band or antenna based on the SO2R protocol commands generated by
the logging software.  The choice is made on the ACC tab in Router
(assignments for pins 6-9 and pins 10-13) as well as in the way the
logging software is configured.

Using the "Band Data" from the K3 is probably more simple while using
MK2R+ is more flexible.

> Logically the same but time differences or local user input can make
> the two different.

There is no time difference with CAT derived band data.  The logger
command driven antenna select data is sent when the loggers change
transmit focus, when the user selects an alternate antenna from the
logger, or the logger senses a manual band change on either transceiver
(bad idea - get used to changing bands from your software).  In any
case, any antenna/band changes should be sensed long before the logger
initiates any transmission.

73,

    ... Joe, W4TV


On 5/25/2017 3:22 AM, Matthew Cook wrote:
> I'm currently trying to get my head around where to get antenna band
> information for a K-line SO2R setup using a Microham MK2R+.
> 
> I believe I can pick up band information useful for making antenna
> selections from the following two locations;
> 
>     - back of the Microham MK2R+... or
>     - from the 15-pin ACC (between K3 and KPA500 via Y-Cable)
> 
> I'm wondering if there are any pitfalls or hidden gotchya's in either of
> these two locations.
> 
> To me it seems more sensible to slave the antenna section to the KPA500's
> since it knows where it will be transmitting when PTT is engaged; where as
> the back of the Microham MK2R+ is where "it thinks" or "has told" the radio
> and amp should be...   Logically the same but time differences or local
> user input can make the two different.
> 
> Any suggestions or guidance gratefully appreciated.
> 
> The Microham MK2R+ that arrived today certainly has a steep learning curve !
> 
> 73
> 
> Matthew
> VK5ZM
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From jh at hoffmaninv.com  Thu May 25 11:47:10 2017
From: jh at hoffmaninv.com (Joe Hoffman)
Date: Thu, 25 May 2017 15:47:10 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 for sale
Message-ID: <08b9835df59a4a879ba4592b31051b3f@S1P5MBX3E.EXCHPROD.USA.NET>

My beloved K3 is on it's way to the mother ship in Watsonville to migrate a few things to my new K3S.  Once that is done I would like to sell it and perhaps even have it shipped to a new home directly from Elecraft if payment is made prior to it leaving Watsonville.

Here is what I have for sale then:

K3 S/N 1713 with the 100W module, the KAT3 ATU and the KXV3 transverter module.

If you are not familiar with the migration process note that any needed repairs (which I do not expect) would be charged to me.  Shipping from Elecraft will also be charged to me.

My K3 is in excellent operational and cosmetic condition with nary a scratch on it.

I would like $1750 for it shipped to your door.

73,

Joe, W8JH


From w5sv.dave at gmail.com  Thu May 25 17:42:46 2017
From: w5sv.dave at gmail.com (David F. Reed)
Date: Thu, 25 May 2017 16:42:46 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] New behavior using JT65
Message-ID: <0acaadd6-1b57-777b-f03f-f2b6506d6f2b@gmail.com>

I have been using my KX3 for JT65 successfully for about a year, but now 
get this new behavior...

When I go to transmit, all is well; when the transmission should end, 
the tones stop as expected, but the KX3 stays in transmit (until I hit 
the XMIT button).  Clearly something is amiss.

I reboot the system, and things go the same way; no effect.

Any clues as to what to look for will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks & 73 de Dave, W5SV


From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Thu May 25 18:27:58 2017
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Thu, 25 May 2017 18:27:58 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] New behavior using JT65
In-Reply-To: <0acaadd6-1b57-777b-f03f-f2b6506d6f2b@gmail.com>
References: <0acaadd6-1b57-777b-f03f-f2b6506d6f2b@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9ecd00ba-af8f-376d-cbb3-287dbbf6cf54@embarqmail.com>

Dave,

Are you using VOX?  If so, try replacing the cable between the soundcard 
and the KX3 mic jack, I am thinking it may have a broken shield and is 
picking up noise.

Try switching to PTT instead of VOX.  I don't know your software 
application nor its capabilities, but you likely need a "one transistor 
keying interface" to drive the KX3 PTT input.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 5/25/2017 5:42 PM, 'David F. Reed' w5sv.dave at gmail.com [KX3] wrote:
> I have been using my KX3 for JT65 successfully for about a year, but now 
> get this new behavior...
> 
> When I go to transmit, all is well; when the transmission should end, 
> the tones stop as expected, but the KX3 stays in transmit (until I hit 
> the XMIT button).  Clearly something is amiss.
> 

From w5sv.dave at gmail.com  Thu May 25 18:43:21 2017
From: w5sv.dave at gmail.com (David F. Reed)
Date: Thu, 25 May 2017 17:43:21 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] New behavior using JT65
In-Reply-To: <9ecd00ba-af8f-376d-cbb3-287dbbf6cf54@embarqmail.com>
References: <0acaadd6-1b57-777b-f03f-f2b6506d6f2b@gmail.com>
	<9ecd00ba-af8f-376d-cbb3-287dbbf6cf54@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <10f458d7-7b68-62aa-1c3a-e01aa6419f85@gmail.com>

Don, thanks for the suggestion; it seems somehow I got VOX turned on 
when it was off before...
Mystery solved.

Thanks & 73 de Dave, W5SV

On 5/25/17 17:27, Don Wilhelm donwilh at embarqmail.com [KX3] wrote:
> Dave,
>
> Are you using VOX?  If so, try replacing the cable between the soundcard
> and the KX3 mic jack, I am thinking it may have a broken shield and is
> picking up noise.
>
> Try switching to PTT instead of VOX.  I don't know your software
> application nor its capabilities, but you likely need a "one transistor
> keying interface" to drive the KX3 PTT input.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 5/25/2017 5:42 PM, 'David F. Reed' w5sv.dave at gmail.com [KX3] wrote:
>> I have been using my KX3 for JT65 successfully for about a year, but now
>> get this new behavior...
>>
>> When I go to transmit, all is well; when the transmission should end,
>> the tones stop as expected, but the KX3 stays in transmit (until I hit
>> the XMIT button).  Clearly something is amiss.
>>


From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Thu May 25 18:53:54 2017
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Thu, 25 May 2017 18:53:54 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] New behavior using JT65
In-Reply-To: <10f458d7-7b68-62aa-1c3a-e01aa6419f85@gmail.com>
References: <0acaadd6-1b57-777b-f03f-f2b6506d6f2b@gmail.com>
	<9ecd00ba-af8f-376d-cbb3-287dbbf6cf54@embarqmail.com>
	<10f458d7-7b68-62aa-1c3a-e01aa6419f85@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ee67078e-8ff4-9c6d-c450-b1d68fe7742f@embarqmail.com>

Dave,

You still may want to check that cable - or perhaps the soundcard has a 
high noise floor.
When the audio stops, the KX3 should drop out of transmit when using VOX.
Of course, I don't know what happens if VOX and PTT are asserted together.
Cables are always one of the high failure items in any system.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 5/25/2017 6:43 PM, David F. Reed wrote:
> Don, thanks for the suggestion; it seems somehow I got VOX turned on 
> when it was off before...
> Mystery solved.
>
> Thanks & 73 de Dave, W5SV
>
> On 5/25/17 17:27, Don Wilhelm donwilh at embarqmail.com [KX3] wrote:
>> Dave,
>>
>> Are you using VOX?  If so, try replacing the cable between the soundcard
>> and the KX3 mic jack, I am thinking it may have a broken shield and is
>> picking up noise.
>>
>> Try switching to PTT instead of VOX.  I don't know your software
>> application nor its capabilities, but you likely need a "one transistor
>> keying interface" to drive the KX3 PTT input.
>>
>> 73,
>> Don W3FPR
>>
>> On 5/25/2017 5:42 PM, 'David F. Reed' w5sv.dave at gmail.com [KX3] wrote:
>>> I have been using my KX3 for JT65 successfully for about a year, but 
>>> now
>>> get this new behavior...
>>>
>>> When I go to transmit, all is well; when the transmission should end,
>>> the tones stop as expected, but the KX3 stays in transmit (until I hit
>>> the XMIT button).  Clearly something is amiss.
>>>
>
>


From w0sz at comcast.net  Thu May 25 19:11:43 2017
From: w0sz at comcast.net (zumbruns)
Date: Thu, 25 May 2017 23:11:43 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] Mouse and P3 SVGA
In-Reply-To: <1934094828.38604276.1495753828241.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <1475392668.38604989.1495753903060.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net>

Do you suppose we will ever be able to use the mouse with the P3 and SVGA monitor like the Flex people do? That would sure be nice. 73 

From w3ozwizard at hotmail.com  Thu May 25 20:12:49 2017
From: w3ozwizard at hotmail.com (Larry Wassmann)
Date: Fri, 26 May 2017 00:12:49 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 users with SteppIR interface
Message-ID: <MWHPR08MB364789ADA6764C60CD5DA81B8DFF0@MWHPR08MB3647.namprd08.prod.outlook.com>

Ok, guys, I will be getting a new 3 element SteppIR soon. I have a K3 and a P3. I want to use the SteppIR interface to have the antenna track frequencies as I turn the dial. I used to do this on my old Pro 3 with the SteppIR I had about 4 years ago. As I understand it, you connect the SteppIR interface cable to the 9 pin port on the back of the K3. Problem is that I use Ham Radio Delux and there is already a cable from the computer to the K3 using that port. I would like to continue to use HRD but would also like to use the SteppIR interface. Am I between a rock and a hard place? Any help, anyone already solved this problem?


73 OZ


From:
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From leomaniolone at gmail.com  Thu May 25 20:16:34 2017
From: leomaniolone at gmail.com (Leo Aniol)
Date: Fri, 26 May 2017 00:16:34 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] New behavior using JT65
In-Reply-To: <ee67078e-8ff4-9c6d-c450-b1d68fe7742f@embarqmail.com>
References: <0acaadd6-1b57-777b-f03f-f2b6506d6f2b@gmail.com>
	<9ecd00ba-af8f-376d-cbb3-287dbbf6cf54@embarqmail.com>
	<10f458d7-7b68-62aa-1c3a-e01aa6419f85@gmail.com>
	<ee67078e-8ff4-9c6d-c450-b1d68fe7742f@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAPEUMgpnzwUKgzxPRjJvu_+5OzV9ho_-m3+UZht4PkXapwbp1w@mail.gmail.com>

Has been happening to me here also. And it is intermittant.

Leo, AI5II

On May 25, 2017 5:54 PM, "Don Wilhelm" <donwilh at embarqmail.com> wrote:

> Dave,
>
> You still may want to check that cable - or perhaps the soundcard has a
> high noise floor.
> When the audio stops, the KX3 should drop out of transmit when using VOX.
> Of course, I don't know what happens if VOX and PTT are asserted together.
> Cables are always one of the high failure items in any system.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 5/25/2017 6:43 PM, David F. Reed wrote:
>
>> Don, thanks for the suggestion; it seems somehow I got VOX turned on when
>> it was off before...
>> Mystery solved.
>>
>> Thanks & 73 de Dave, W5SV
>>
>> On 5/25/17 17:27, Don Wilhelm donwilh at embarqmail.com [KX3] wrote:
>>
>>> Dave,
>>>
>>> Are you using VOX?  If so, try replacing the cable between the soundcard
>>> and the KX3 mic jack, I am thinking it may have a broken shield and is
>>> picking up noise.
>>>
>>> Try switching to PTT instead of VOX.  I don't know your software
>>> application nor its capabilities, but you likely need a "one transistor
>>> keying interface" to drive the KX3 PTT input.
>>>
>>> 73,
>>> Don W3FPR
>>>
>>> On 5/25/2017 5:42 PM, 'David F. Reed' w5sv.dave at gmail.com [KX3] wrote:
>>>
>>>> I have been using my KX3 for JT65 successfully for about a year, but now
>>>> get this new behavior...
>>>>
>>>> When I go to transmit, all is well; when the transmission should end,
>>>> the tones stop as expected, but the KX3 stays in transmit (until I hit
>>>> the XMIT button).  Clearly something is amiss.
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>>
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From nr4c at widomaker.com  Thu May 25 20:25:44 2017
From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c)
Date: Thu, 25 May 2017 20:25:44 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Mouse and P3 SVGA
In-Reply-To: <1475392668.38604989.1495753903060.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net>
References: <1475392668.38604989.1495753903060.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <5F6B1E28-B362-41D6-8AB8-73DE5FC7EB6E@widomaker.com>

No. The P3 is not a computer. 

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill


> On May 25, 2017, at 7:11 PM, zumbruns <w0sz at comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> Do you suppose we will ever be able to use the mouse with the P3 and SVGA monitor like the Flex people do? That would sure be nice. 73 
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From nr4c at widomaker.com  Thu May 25 20:27:18 2017
From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c)
Date: Thu, 25 May 2017 20:27:18 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 users with SteppIR interface
In-Reply-To: <MWHPR08MB364789ADA6764C60CD5DA81B8DFF0@MWHPR08MB3647.namprd08.prod.outlook.com>
References: <MWHPR08MB364789ADA6764C60CD5DA81B8DFF0@MWHPR08MB3647.namprd08.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <6C0641D2-96CF-44E1-9116-D9720B9B7B79@widomaker.com>

SteppIR should be supplying you a "Y" cable so it can "listen" to freq traffic on Serial Port. 

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill


> On May 25, 2017, at 8:12 PM, Larry Wassmann <w3ozwizard at hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Ok, guys, I will be getting a new 3 element SteppIR soon. I have a K3 and a P3. I want to use the SteppIR interface to have the antenna track frequencies as I turn the dial. I used to do this on my old Pro 3 with the SteppIR I had about 4 years ago. As I understand it, you connect the SteppIR interface cable to the 9 pin port on the back of the K3. Problem is that I use Ham Radio Delux and there is already a cable from the computer to the K3 using that port. I would like to continue to use HRD but would also like to use the SteppIR interface. Am I between a rock and a hard place? Any help, anyone already solved this problem?
> 
> 
> 73 OZ
> 
> 
> From:
> Larry Martus Wassmann
> Non omnis moriar
> (Not all of me will die) - - - The good I do will live forever.
> 
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From cautery at montac.com  Thu May 25 20:40:27 2017
From: cautery at montac.com (Clay Autery)
Date: Thu, 25 May 2017 19:40:27 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Mouse and P3 SVGA
In-Reply-To: <5F6B1E28-B362-41D6-8AB8-73DE5FC7EB6E@widomaker.com>
References: <1475392668.38604989.1495753903060.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net>
	<5F6B1E28-B362-41D6-8AB8-73DE5FC7EB6E@widomaker.com>
Message-ID: <c65699a0-5341-8ba0-a41c-d18c4451acd0@montac.com>

There is an aweful lot of room in that box....  put a Rasberry Pi in
there and interface it with the board the knobs and buttons are on.... 
There's a new one on the market now 1/4 the size of the Pi...
I know it's not a trivial exercise, but it should be doable...   And I
can think of at least 2 ways to approach the solution.

______________________
Clay Autery, KY5G
MONTAC Enterprises
(318) 518-1389

On 5/25/2017 7:25 PM, Nr4c wrote:
> No. The P3 is not a computer. 
>
> Sent from my iPhone
> ...nr4c. bill
>
>
>> On May 25, 2017, at 7:11 PM, zumbruns <w0sz at comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>> Do you suppose we will ever be able to use the mouse with the P3 and SVGA monitor like the Flex people do? That would sure be nice. 73 


From k9yeq at live.com  Thu May 25 20:59:40 2017
From: k9yeq at live.com (Bill Johnson)
Date: Fri, 26 May 2017 00:59:40 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Impatiently waiting...KPA1500
In-Reply-To: <CACYeN9z_n=mAnABCfHvxkqLeQ_U1hUnKQySU6yfTP2PWkS-AbA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACYeN9z_n=mAnABCfHvxkqLeQ_U1hUnKQySU6yfTP2PWkS-AbA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <RO1P152MB09078169C8FAB3E6846778E59CFC0@RO1P152MB0907.LAMP152.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

Yes, nutzo here!  But no totally.  

73,
Bill
K9YEQ

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jim Miller
Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2017 9:29 AM
To: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: [Elecraft] Impatiently waiting...KPA1500

Sold off my KPA500 and ACOM1500 and now barefoot with K3s.

This waiting will no doubt make me crazier than usual. :-)

I'll be low power in WPX CW this weekend.

73

jim ab3cv
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From john at johnjeanantiqueradio.com  Thu May 25 21:02:22 2017
From: john at johnjeanantiqueradio.com (John K9UWA)
Date: Thu, 25 May 2017 21:02:22 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Mouse and P3 SVGA
In-Reply-To: <c65699a0-5341-8ba0-a41c-d18c4451acd0@montac.com>
References: <1475392668.38604989.1495753903060.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net>,
	<5F6B1E28-B362-41D6-8AB8-73DE5FC7EB6E@widomaker.com>,
	<c65699a0-5341-8ba0-a41c-d18c4451acd0@montac.com>
Message-ID: <59277E9E.31478.F130E4@john.johnjeanantiqueradio.com>


From va3mw at portcredit.net  Thu May 25 21:45:02 2017
From: va3mw at portcredit.net (Michael Walker)
Date: Thu, 25 May 2017 21:45:02 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Impatiently waiting...KPA1500
In-Reply-To: <RO1P152MB09078169C8FAB3E6846778E59CFC0@RO1P152MB0907.LAMP152.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
References: <CACYeN9z_n=mAnABCfHvxkqLeQ_U1hUnKQySU6yfTP2PWkS-AbA@mail.gmail.com>
	<RO1P152MB09078169C8FAB3E6846778E59CFC0@RO1P152MB0907.LAMP152.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
Message-ID: <CA+33ts5fLieHEW_isECxi=ig=hPdrXe_W_KHwyPQtjDfEFskUA@mail.gmail.com>

I seriously thought of ordering one to replace the KPA500 at the remote,
but I'm going to give www.rf-kit.de a try.  It is a similar put it together
yourself kit like the kpa500.



Mike va3mw


On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 8:59 PM, Bill Johnson <k9yeq at live.com> wrote:

> Yes, nutzo here!  But no totally.
>
> 73,
> Bill
> K9YEQ
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jim
> Miller
> Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2017 9:29 AM
> To: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: [Elecraft] Impatiently waiting...KPA1500
>
> Sold off my KPA500 and ACOM1500 and now barefoot with K3s.
>
> This waiting will no doubt make me crazier than usual. :-)
>
> I'll be low power in WPX CW this weekend.
>
> 73
>
> jim ab3cv
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From k6dgw at foothill.net  Thu May 25 21:48:44 2017
From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen)
Date: Thu, 25 May 2017 18:48:44 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Mouse and P3 SVGA
In-Reply-To: <c65699a0-5341-8ba0-a41c-d18c4451acd0@montac.com>
References: <1475392668.38604989.1495753903060.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net>
	<5F6B1E28-B362-41D6-8AB8-73DE5FC7EB6E@widomaker.com>
	<c65699a0-5341-8ba0-a41c-d18c4451acd0@montac.com>
Message-ID: <a71f3124-638a-82e4-2247-76aa27d8f7fb@foothill.net>

There are a large [possibly infinite?] number of ways to "do" most 
everything.  Driving faster than light may be one of the exceptions.  
Doing them profitably over a sufficient period of time is another 
difficult challenge.

73,

Fred ("Skip") K6DGW
Sparks NV USA
Washoe County DM09dn

On 5/25/2017 5:40 PM, Clay Autery wrote:
> There is an aweful lot of room in that box....  put a Rasberry Pi in
> there and interface it with the board the knobs and buttons are on....
> There's a new one on the market now 1/4 the size of the Pi...
> I know it's not a trivial exercise, but it should be doable...   And I
> can think of at least 2 ways to approach the solution.
>
> ______________________
> Clay Autery, KY5G
> MONTAC Enterprises
> (318) 518-1389
>
> On 5/25/2017 7:25 PM, Nr4c wrote:
>> No. The P3 is not a computer.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> ...nr4c. bill
>>
>>
>>> On May 25, 2017, at 7:11 PM, zumbruns <w0sz at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> Do you suppose we will ever be able to use the mouse with the P3 and SVGA monitor like the Flex people do? That would sure be nice. 73
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From zumbruns at comcast.net  Thu May 25 21:54:10 2017
From: zumbruns at comcast.net (STEPHEN R)
Date: Fri, 26 May 2017 01:54:10 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] Mouse and P3 SVGA
In-Reply-To: <1810747382.38700233.1495763553284.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <669712129.38701604.1495763650305.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net>

There is a lot of room in the P3 box. Put a small microprocessor in there that would control a mouse. Why not? Sure would make the P3 and SVGA work better. 73 

From vk5zm at bistre.net  Thu May 25 22:25:43 2017
From: vk5zm at bistre.net (Matthew Cook)
Date: Fri, 26 May 2017 11:55:43 +0930
Subject: [Elecraft] SO2R Antenna/Band Information
In-Reply-To: <CAE+2d_3hdnfV80iMh6F=5FmsZVbK7Gcg++brB-FTDhuaiNCtRA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAE+2d_3hdnfV80iMh6F=5FmsZVbK7Gcg++brB-FTDhuaiNCtRA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAE+2d_0MW2KJdBjGHXWtBwc2Auydm_etv0uiDqO7JgR4-H4asw@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks to everyone that emailed me with responses, this learning curve for
SO2R is steep !

73

Matthew
VK5ZM

On 25 May 2017 at 16:52, Matthew Cook <vk5zm at bistre.net> wrote:

> I'm currently trying to get my head around where to get antenna band
> information for a K-line SO2R setup using a Microham MK2R+.
>
> I believe I can pick up band information useful for making antenna
> selections from the following two locations;
>
>    - back of the Microham MK2R+... or
>    - from the 15-pin ACC (between K3 and KPA500 via Y-Cable)
>
> I'm wondering if there are any pitfalls or hidden gotchya's in either of
> these two locations.
>
> To me it seems more sensible to slave the antenna section to the KPA500's
> since it knows where it will be transmitting when PTT is engaged; where as
> the back of the Microham MK2R+ is where "it thinks" or "has told" the radio
> and amp should be...   Logically the same but time differences or local
> user input can make the two different.
>
> Any suggestions or guidance gratefully appreciated.
>
> The Microham MK2R+ that arrived today certainly has a steep learning curve
> !
>
> 73
>
> Matthew
> VK5ZM
>

From john at johnjeanantiqueradio.com  Fri May 26 08:25:53 2017
From: john at johnjeanantiqueradio.com (John K9UWA)
Date: Fri, 26 May 2017 08:25:53 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Mouse and P3 SVGA
In-Reply-To: <a71f3124-638a-82e4-2247-76aa27d8f7fb@foothill.net>
References: <1475392668.38604989.1495753903060.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net>,
	<c65699a0-5341-8ba0-a41c-d18c4451acd0@montac.com>,
	<a71f3124-638a-82e4-2247-76aa27d8f7fb@foothill.net>
Message-ID: <59281ED1.3826.362FA76@john.johnjeanantiqueradio.com>

If the P3 with SVGA had the Point and Shoot selectable VFO's I would 
purchase a P3.
John k9uwa


>> Do you suppose we will ever be able to use the mouse with the P3 and SVGA
>> monitor like the Flex people do? That would sure be nice. 73



From jermo at carolinaheli.com  Fri May 26 09:08:15 2017
From: jermo at carolinaheli.com (Jerry Moore)
Date: Fri, 26 May 2017 09:08:15 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Mouse and P3 SVGA
In-Reply-To: <59281ED1.3826.362FA76@john.johnjeanantiqueradio.com>
References: <1475392668.38604989.1495753903060.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net>,
	<c65699a0-5341-8ba0-a41c-d18c4451acd0@montac.com>,
	<a71f3124-638a-82e4-2247-76aa27d8f7fb@foothill.net>
	<59281ED1.3826.362FA76@john.johnjeanantiqueradio.com>
Message-ID: <020401d2d621$240b7080$6c225180$@carolinaheli.com>

same

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of John
K9UWA
Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 8:26 AM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Mouse and P3 SVGA

If the P3 with SVGA had the Point and Shoot selectable VFO's I would
purchase a P3.
John k9uwa


>> Do you suppose we will ever be able to use the mouse with the P3 and SVGA
>> monitor like the Flex people do? That would sure be nice. 73


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From cx6vm.jorge at gmail.com  Fri May 26 09:14:07 2017
From: cx6vm.jorge at gmail.com (Jorge Diez - CX6VM)
Date: Fri, 26 May 2017 10:14:07 -0300
Subject: [Elecraft] Mouse and P3 SVGA
In-Reply-To: <59281ED1.3826.362FA76@john.johnjeanantiqueradio.com>
References: <1475392668.38604989.1495753903060.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net>
	<c65699a0-5341-8ba0-a41c-d18c4451acd0@montac.com>
	<a71f3124-638a-82e4-2247-76aa27d8f7fb@foothill.net>
	<59281ED1.3826.362FA76@john.johnjeanantiqueradio.com>
Message-ID: <CA+h_a7+eBiduNrWH85_vPfzu_u27jf8_e0Cn+h+vKdnSzaWtTw@mail.gmail.com>

look at it  http://www.elecraft.com/P3/p3.htm

then decide if its what you are looking for. If not, you can try other
options

73,
Jorge
CX6VM/CW5W

2017-05-26 9:25 GMT-03:00 John K9UWA <john at johnjeanantiqueradio.com>:

> If the P3 with SVGA had the Point and Shoot selectable VFO's I would
> purchase a P3.
> John k9uwa
>
>
> >> Do you suppose we will ever be able to use the mouse with the P3 and
> SVGA
> >> monitor like the Flex people do? That would sure be nice. 73
>
>
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From k2mk.mike at gmail.com  Fri May 26 09:31:13 2017
From: k2mk.mike at gmail.com (Mike K2MK)
Date: Fri, 26 May 2017 06:31:13 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 users with SteppIR interface
In-Reply-To: <MWHPR08MB364789ADA6764C60CD5DA81B8DFF0@MWHPR08MB3647.namprd08.prod.outlook.com>
References: <MWHPR08MB364789ADA6764C60CD5DA81B8DFF0@MWHPR08MB3647.namprd08.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <1495805473848-7631116.post@n2.nabble.com>

Hi Larry,

Don't worry, you're not breaking any new ground. You will need a few items.

You'll need a Y cable and an S-13 cable from SteppIR or you can make your
own. You may also need a 9 pin extension cable depending on how close
together all of your components reside.

The SteppIR controller must have the transceiver option. Choose Kenwood in
the menu setting.

You also have to make a configuration change on your K3.
CONFIG:AUTOINF to AUTO 1

If you are a member of the SteppIR Yahoo group you can find PDFs for these
cables in the Files section. The Y cable PDF does a good job of illustrating
how to use it. If you are not a member it would probably be a good idea to
join.
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/SteppIR/info

You can also e-mail me directly and I can send you the PDFs.
k2mk dot mike at gmail dot com

73,
Mike K2MK



The Wizard wrote
> Ok, guys, I will be getting a new 3 element SteppIR soon. I have a K3 and
> a P3. I want to use the SteppIR interface to have the antenna track
> frequencies as I turn the dial. I used to do this on my old Pro 3 with the
> SteppIR I had about 4 years ago. As I understand it, you connect the
> SteppIR interface cable to the 9 pin port on the back of the K3. Problem
> is that I use Ham Radio Delux and there is already a cable from the
> computer to the K3 using that port. I would like to continue to use HRD
> but would also like to use the SteppIR interface. Am I between a rock and
> a hard place? Any help, anyone already solved this problem?
> 
> 73 OZ





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From brian.waterworth at gmail.com  Fri May 26 09:59:13 2017
From: brian.waterworth at gmail.com (Brian Waterworth)
Date: Fri, 26 May 2017 09:59:13 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] New behavior using JT65
In-Reply-To: <CAPEUMgpnzwUKgzxPRjJvu_+5OzV9ho_-m3+UZht4PkXapwbp1w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <0acaadd6-1b57-777b-f03f-f2b6506d6f2b@gmail.com>
	<9ecd00ba-af8f-376d-cbb3-287dbbf6cf54@embarqmail.com>
	<10f458d7-7b68-62aa-1c3a-e01aa6419f85@gmail.com>
	<ee67078e-8ff4-9c6d-c450-b1d68fe7742f@embarqmail.com>
	<CAPEUMgpnzwUKgzxPRjJvu_+5OzV9ho_-m3+UZht4PkXapwbp1w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAM34cKcsqeYP_zt5cfMGXS4WgWsyWvr4mbucHjPZttBTuVCqdQ@mail.gmail.com>

That's weird.  I have not experienced an intermittent VOX.  Mind you, I run
with VOX on all the time and have at least a hundred hours in this mode and
VOX setting.  Very stable.

What firmware level are you at?

regards,
Brian
VE3IBW

On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 8:16 PM, Leo Aniol <leomaniolone at gmail.com> wrote:

> Has been happening to me here also. And it is intermittant.
>
> Leo, AI5II
>
> On May 25, 2017 5:54 PM, "Don Wilhelm" <donwilh at embarqmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Dave,
> >
> > You still may want to check that cable - or perhaps the soundcard has a
> > high noise floor.
> > When the audio stops, the KX3 should drop out of transmit when using VOX.
> > Of course, I don't know what happens if VOX and PTT are asserted
> together.
> > Cables are always one of the high failure items in any system.
> >
> > 73,
> > Don W3FPR
> >
> > On 5/25/2017 6:43 PM, David F. Reed wrote:
> >
> >> Don, thanks for the suggestion; it seems somehow I got VOX turned on
> when
> >> it was off before...
> >> Mystery solved.
> >>
> >> Thanks & 73 de Dave, W5SV
> >>
> >> On 5/25/17 17:27, Don Wilhelm donwilh at embarqmail.com [KX3] wrote:
> >>
> >>> Dave,
> >>>
> >>> Are you using VOX?  If so, try replacing the cable between the
> soundcard
> >>> and the KX3 mic jack, I am thinking it may have a broken shield and is
> >>> picking up noise.
> >>>
> >>> Try switching to PTT instead of VOX.  I don't know your software
> >>> application nor its capabilities, but you likely need a "one transistor
> >>> keying interface" to drive the KX3 PTT input.
> >>>
> >>> 73,
> >>> Don W3FPR
> >>>
> >>> On 5/25/2017 5:42 PM, 'David F. Reed' w5sv.dave at gmail.com [KX3] wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> I have been using my KX3 for JT65 successfully for about a year, but
> now
> >>>> get this new behavior...
> >>>>
> >>>> When I go to transmit, all is well; when the transmission should end,
> >>>> the tones stop as expected, but the KX3 stays in transmit (until I hit
> >>>> the XMIT button).  Clearly something is amiss.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>
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From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Fri May 26 10:26:14 2017
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Fri, 26 May 2017 10:26:14 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] New behavior using JT65
In-Reply-To: <CAM34cKcsqeYP_zt5cfMGXS4WgWsyWvr4mbucHjPZttBTuVCqdQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <0acaadd6-1b57-777b-f03f-f2b6506d6f2b@gmail.com>
	<9ecd00ba-af8f-376d-cbb3-287dbbf6cf54@embarqmail.com>
	<10f458d7-7b68-62aa-1c3a-e01aa6419f85@gmail.com>
	<ee67078e-8ff4-9c6d-c450-b1d68fe7742f@embarqmail.com>
	<CAPEUMgpnzwUKgzxPRjJvu_+5OzV9ho_-m3+UZht4PkXapwbp1w@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAM34cKcsqeYP_zt5cfMGXS4WgWsyWvr4mbucHjPZttBTuVCqdQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e126c37d-9c08-21f4-05f3-7049ce85fd8e@embarqmail.com>

Brian,

As I told the original poster, I suspect a bad audio cable that is 
picking up noise and continuing to activate the VOX.  He had both VOX 
and PTT active, and I don't know if that has anything to do with it.
I don't think it is a KX3 problem.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 5/26/2017 9:59 AM, Brian Waterworth wrote:
> That's weird.  I have not experienced an intermittent VOX.  Mind you, 
> I run with VOX on all the time and have at least a hundred hours in 
> this mode and VOX setting.  Very stable.
>
> What firmware level are you at?
>


From kf5wbo at wickedbeernut.com  Fri May 26 10:35:20 2017
From: kf5wbo at wickedbeernut.com (Joe Stone (KF5WBO))
Date: Fri, 26 May 2017 07:35:20 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] Mouse and P3 SVGA
In-Reply-To: <1475392668.38604989.1495753903060.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net>
References: <1475392668.38604989.1495753903060.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <1495809320060-7631119.post@n2.nabble.com>

> Do you suppose we will ever be able to use the mouse with the P3 and SVGA

(first requested August 2009 and once every few months ever since)

The P3/PX3 already supports USB HID (Human Interface Device).  The firmware
currently receives and ignores mouse reports.

Note: The K-Pod is HID-compliant.  In addition to P3/PX3 mouse support, you
may want to request K-Pod support.

Joe
KF5WBO



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From n2lrb at n2lrb.com  Fri May 26 10:49:48 2017
From: n2lrb at n2lrb.com (n2lrb at n2lrb.com)
Date: Fri, 26 May 2017 10:49:48 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Remove Me
Message-ID: <000a01d2d62f$52ccb4c0$f8661e40$@n2lrb.com>

Hi,

Please remove me from the daily list. I will look at the web forum instead.
I find that most of what is put on the e-mail listing does not pertain to me
or my situation.

 

Jose

N2LRB


From kq5stom at gmail.com  Fri May 26 11:08:39 2017
From: kq5stom at gmail.com (Tom-KQ5S)
Date: Fri, 26 May 2017 10:08:39 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Remove Me
In-Reply-To: <000a01d2d62f$52ccb4c0$f8661e40$@n2lrb.com>
References: <000a01d2d62f$52ccb4c0$f8661e40$@n2lrb.com>
Message-ID: <CABBJzNiPnhvk+DBi7+yZbSn1nD8MLjw=uUdxEUkEMw7m6R6ugg@mail.gmail.com>

Jose,
?Look at the bottom of this page.

http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
?

On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 9:49 AM, <n2lrb at n2lrb.com> wrote:

> http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft





73,
Tom - KQ5S

From gthornton at thorntonmostullaw.com  Fri May 26 11:39:01 2017
From: gthornton at thorntonmostullaw.com (George Thornton)
Date: Fri, 26 May 2017 15:39:01 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Mouse and P3 SVGA
In-Reply-To: <CA+h_a7+eBiduNrWH85_vPfzu_u27jf8_e0Cn+h+vKdnSzaWtTw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1475392668.38604989.1495753903060.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net>
	<c65699a0-5341-8ba0-a41c-d18c4451acd0@montac.com>
	<a71f3124-638a-82e4-2247-76aa27d8f7fb@foothill.net>
	<59281ED1.3826.362FA76@john.johnjeanantiqueradio.com>
	<CA+h_a7+eBiduNrWH85_vPfzu_u27jf8_e0Cn+h+vKdnSzaWtTw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e071e8313dcc4ac389fec62bb620f86a@Server.thorntonmostullaw.com>

I have tried other computer based panadapters and I now have the P3 with SVGA.

I found that mediating through a computer using a sound card creates configuration issues and results in occasional operating headaches.

By contrast, the P3 is specialized hardware and connection is more reliable and consistent.  I spend less time fussing with equipment to make sure it is set up correctly, and more time actually working with the spectrum images on the screen.

I have not used a full SDR radio.

I did find clicking with a mouse to change frequencies was helpful, but the convenience and reliability of the P3 to me far outweighed computer based panadapter solutions overall.

I also appreciate the options available for the P3.  I use the SVGA feature and a monitor to enhance audience viewing at my Field Day station.  The TX monitor has also been useful in viewing and diagnosing transmission signals as well as better visualizing SWR and power output measurements.



From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jorge Diez - CX6VM
Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 6:14 AM
To: john at johnjeanantiqueradio.com
Cc: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Mouse and P3 SVGA

look at it http://www.elecraft.com/P3/p3.htm

then decide if its what you are looking for. If not, you can try other
options

73,
Jorge
CX6VM/CW5W

2017-05-26 9:25 GMT-03:00 John K9UWA <john at johnjeanantiqueradio.com>:<mailto:john at johnjeanantiqueradio.com%3e:>

> If the P3 with SVGA had the Point and Shoot selectable VFO's I would
> purchase a P3.
> John k9uwa
>
>
> >> Do you suppose we will ever be able to use the mouse with the P3 and
> SVGA
> >> monitor like the Flex people do? That would sure be nice. 73
>
>
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From john at kk9a.com  Fri May 26 12:30:21 2017
From: john at kk9a.com (john at kk9a.com)
Date: Fri, 26 May 2017 12:30:21 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft]  Remove Me
Message-ID: <36937bfb4d1ea5efbb88ca951fef05bd.squirrel@www11.qth.com>

Actually half of the posts not even pertain to Elecraft products. I keep
my subscription on vacation hold and just read the archives at my leisure.
You can change your subscription status here:
http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft

John KK9A

From: Jose N2LRB
Fri May 26 10:49:48 EDT 2017

Hi,

Please remove me from the daily list. I will look at the web forum instead.
I find that most of what is put on the e-mail listing does not pertain to me
or my situation.



Jose

N2LRB


From gthornton at thorntonmostullaw.com  Fri May 26 12:39:49 2017
From: gthornton at thorntonmostullaw.com (George Thornton)
Date: Fri, 26 May 2017 16:39:49 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Remove Me
In-Reply-To: <36937bfb4d1ea5efbb88ca951fef05bd.squirrel@www11.qth.com>
References: <36937bfb4d1ea5efbb88ca951fef05bd.squirrel@www11.qth.com>
Message-ID: <72bb555040374aee8971713ea8894e7c@Server.thorntonmostullaw.com>

The value of mail lists is the ability to share information.  The curse is the tendency for things to grow out of control.

I handle this by creating a rule in Outlook that automatically shunts my listserve messages to a separate folder.  That way it is there if I want to look at it but is otherwise out of the way.

From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of john at kk9a.com
Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 9:30 AM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] Remove Me

Actually half of the posts not even pertain to Elecraft products. I keep
my subscription on vacation hold and just read the archives at my leisure.
You can change your subscription status here:
http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft

John KK9A

From: Jose N2LRB
Fri May 26 10:49:48 EDT 2017

Hi,

Please remove me from the daily list. I will look at the web forum instead.
I find that most of what is put on the e-mail listing does not pertain to me
or my situation.



Jose

N2LRB

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From dave.w0zf at gmail.com  Fri May 26 13:30:54 2017
From: dave.w0zf at gmail.com (Dave Fugleberg)
Date: Fri, 26 May 2017 17:30:54 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Mouse and P3 SVGA
In-Reply-To: <e071e8313dcc4ac389fec62bb620f86a@Server.thorntonmostullaw.com>
References: <1475392668.38604989.1495753903060.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net>
	<c65699a0-5341-8ba0-a41c-d18c4451acd0@montac.com>
	<a71f3124-638a-82e4-2247-76aa27d8f7fb@foothill.net>
	<59281ED1.3826.362FA76@john.johnjeanantiqueradio.com>
	<CA+h_a7+eBiduNrWH85_vPfzu_u27jf8_e0Cn+h+vKdnSzaWtTw@mail.gmail.com>
	<e071e8313dcc4ac389fec62bb620f86a@Server.thorntonmostullaw.com>
Message-ID: <CAF==Uf3_PCnMenvx9MQ+yavajHSi2uJbysP6KnAgLnidGnFtog@mail.gmail.com>

I second that. Having tried a couple other panadapter solutions I found the
P3 to be the most reliable with the least amount of hassle. The one
shortcoming in my mind is using the tiny knob to QSY... Full mouse support
would be welcome.
I've found that the small screen works better than anticipated, so have not
added the SVGA option. Maybe someday.
Another worthy contender is the built in SDRPlay support in Win4K3 Suite.
It, too is pretty much plug and play, and gives you the point and click
mouse support. I have mine connected to the IF output of the P3, and can
use them in tandem when desired.
On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 10:41 AM George Thornton <
gthornton at thorntonmostullaw.com> wrote:

> I have tried other computer based panadapters and I now have the P3 with
> SVGA.
>
> I found that mediating through a computer using a sound card creates
> configuration issues and results in occasional operating headaches.
>
> By contrast, the P3 is specialized hardware and connection is more
> reliable and consistent.  I spend less time fussing with equipment to make
> sure it is set up correctly, and more time actually working with the
> spectrum images on the screen.
>
> I have not used a full SDR radio.
>
> I did find clicking with a mouse to change frequencies was helpful, but
> the convenience and reliability of the P3 to me far outweighed computer
> based panadapter solutions overall.
>
> I also appreciate the options available for the P3.  I use the SVGA
> feature and a monitor to enhance audience viewing at my Field Day station.
> The TX monitor has also been useful in viewing and diagnosing transmission
> signals as well as better visualizing SWR and power output measurements.
>
>
>
> From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of
> Jorge Diez - CX6VM
> Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 6:14 AM
> To: john at johnjeanantiqueradio.com
> Cc: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Mouse and P3 SVGA
>
> look at it http://www.elecraft.com/P3/p3.htm
>
> then decide if its what you are looking for. If not, you can try other
> options
>
> 73,
> Jorge
> CX6VM/CW5W
>
> 2017-05-26 9:25 GMT-03:00 John K9UWA <john at johnjeanantiqueradio.com
> >:<mailto:john at johnjeanantiqueradio.com%3e:>
>
> > If the P3 with SVGA had the Point and Shoot selectable VFO's I would
> > purchase a P3.
> > John k9uwa
> >
> >
> > >> Do you suppose we will ever be able to use the mouse with the P3 and
> > SVGA
> > >> monitor like the Flex people do? That would sure be nice. 73
> >
> >
> > ______________________________________________________________
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> > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
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>
>
>
> --
> 73,
> Jorge
> CX6VM/CW5W
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From gthornton at thorntonmostullaw.com  Fri May 26 13:54:19 2017
From: gthornton at thorntonmostullaw.com (George Thornton)
Date: Fri, 26 May 2017 17:54:19 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Mouse and P3 SVGA
In-Reply-To: <CAF==Uf3_PCnMenvx9MQ+yavajHSi2uJbysP6KnAgLnidGnFtog@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1475392668.38604989.1495753903060.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net>
	<c65699a0-5341-8ba0-a41c-d18c4451acd0@montac.com>
	<a71f3124-638a-82e4-2247-76aa27d8f7fb@foothill.net>
	<59281ED1.3826.362FA76@john.johnjeanantiqueradio.com>
	<CA+h_a7+eBiduNrWH85_vPfzu_u27jf8_e0Cn+h+vKdnSzaWtTw@mail.gmail.com>
	<e071e8313dcc4ac389fec62bb620f86a@Server.thorntonmostullaw.com>
	<CAF==Uf3_PCnMenvx9MQ+yavajHSi2uJbysP6KnAgLnidGnFtog@mail.gmail.com>
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I second that the small screen is more than adequate and the larger screen not necessary for operation.

I like the bigger screen because it is useful when there are observers.  I run the GOTA field day station and it is great for training a group.

From: Dave Fugleberg [mailto:dave.w0zf at gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 10:31 AM
To: George Thornton <gthornton at thorntonmostullaw.com>; Jorge Diez - CX6VM <cx6vm.jorge at gmail.com>; john at johnjeanantiqueradio.com
Cc: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Mouse and P3 SVGA

I second that. Having tried a couple other panadapter solutions I found the P3 to be the most reliable with the least amount of hassle. The one shortcoming in my mind is using the tiny knob to QSY... Full mouse support would be welcome.
I've found that the small screen works better than anticipated, so have not added the SVGA option. Maybe someday.
Another worthy contender is the built in SDRPlay support in Win4K3 Suite. It, too is pretty much plug and play, and gives you the point and click mouse support. I have mine connected to the IF output of the P3, and can use them in tandem when desired.
On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 10:41 AM George Thornton <gthornton at thorntonmostullaw.com<mailto:gthornton at thorntonmostullaw.com>> wrote:
I have tried other computer based panadapters and I now have the P3 with SVGA.

I found that mediating through a computer using a sound card creates configuration issues and results in occasional operating headaches.

By contrast, the P3 is specialized hardware and connection is more reliable and consistent.  I spend less time fussing with equipment to make sure it is set up correctly, and more time actually working with the spectrum images on the screen.

I have not used a full SDR radio.

I did find clicking with a mouse to change frequencies was helpful, but the convenience and reliability of the P3 to me far outweighed computer based panadapter solutions overall.

I also appreciate the options available for the P3.  I use the SVGA feature and a monitor to enhance audience viewing at my Field Day station.  The TX monitor has also been useful in viewing and diagnosing transmission signals as well as better visualizing SWR and power output measurements.



From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net<mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net>] On Behalf Of Jorge Diez - CX6VM
Sent: Friday, May 26, 2017 6:14 AM
To: john at johnjeanantiqueradio.com<mailto:john at johnjeanantiqueradio.com>
Cc: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net<mailto:elecraft at mailman.qth.net>>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Mouse and P3 SVGA

look at it http://www.elecraft.com/P3/p3.htm

then decide if its what you are looking for. If not, you can try other
options

73,
Jorge
CX6VM/CW5W

2017-05-26 9:25 GMT-03:00 John K9UWA <john at johnjeanantiqueradio.com<mailto:john at johnjeanantiqueradio.com>>:<mailto:john at johnjeanantiqueradio.com<mailto:john at johnjeanantiqueradio.com>%3e:>

> If the P3 with SVGA had the Point and Shoot selectable VFO's I would
> purchase a P3.
> John k9uwa
>
>
> >> Do you suppose we will ever be able to use the mouse with the P3 and
> SVGA
> >> monitor like the Flex people do? That would sure be nice. 73
>
>
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From cbjesseeNH at comcast.net  Fri May 26 14:09:16 2017
From: cbjesseeNH at comcast.net (MaverickNH)
Date: Fri, 26 May 2017 11:09:16 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] [KX2] ATU - SWR Meter?
Message-ID: <1495822156381-7631127.post@n2.nabble.com>

When I activate the ATU on the KX2, it flashes the initial SWR and then does
it's tuning thing, flashing the final SWR. Is there a way to just indicate
the initial SWR without then tuning? I'm looking to adjust the antenna
length quickly for low SWR before then engaging the ATU.

Bret/N4SRN



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From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Fri May 26 14:16:52 2017
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Fri, 26 May 2017 14:16:52 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] [KX2] ATU - SWR Meter?
In-Reply-To: <1495822156381-7631127.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1495822156381-7631127.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <f41b51e6-a6cc-4a71-aa6c-83d594144b49@embarqmail.com>

Set ATU MD (in the menu) to BYP (bypass).
Read about it in the listing of menu items near the end of the manual.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 5/26/2017 2:09 PM, MaverickNH wrote:
> When I activate the ATU on the KX2, it flashes the initial SWR and then does
> it's tuning thing, flashing the final SWR. Is there a way to just indicate
> the initial SWR without then tuning? I'm looking to adjust the antenna
> length quickly for low SWR before then engaging the ATU.

From john.dolan55 at gmail.com  Fri May 26 14:22:39 2017
From: john.dolan55 at gmail.com (John Dolan)
Date: Fri, 26 May 2017 14:22:39 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Mouse and P3 SVGA
Message-ID: <CACAmuS-LdYn1tUZ9aELcHFE+a2JRQu4Ja_6TF0p29y=BmcCXBQ@mail.gmail.com>

Yes, the mouse interaction would be a nice addition to the P3.  I have
enjoyed having the P3.  It has been more than adequate for my operations
and I like having the transmit monitor.  Before I got the P3 I used the
SDRPlay with a Minix Windows computer and a 7 inch monitor mounted into a
speaker cabinet.  The setup worked great most of the time but there were
some issues occasionally.  I decided to go with the P3 for transmitter
monitoring and ease of operation.  I have never looked back.

73, John WB4YAL

*Many of life's problems can be solved by simply deciding what we can do
without. -JohnDolan  <https://www.qrz.com/db/WB4YAL>*

From serussell at gmail.com  Fri May 26 16:03:42 2017
From: serussell at gmail.com (Scott Russell)
Date: Fri, 26 May 2017 16:03:42 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Will it work on other Radios
Message-ID: <CABDoXRJFVxAZn5v-ss_=Ab3SU47Ohb==EFYOE6j_6yNCtHY_tg@mail.gmail.com>

Will the P3 work on other manufacturer radios?

Thanks, Scott N1SER

From n6kr at elecraft.com  Fri May 26 16:52:23 2017
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Fri, 26 May 2017 13:52:23 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] New KX2 CW/DATA logging feature ready for test
Message-ID: <0BAFC91B-175F-4B3E-8889-1F84F6A21565@elecraft.com>

Hi all,

The KX2 logging feature we mentioned last week is now ready to be field tested. If you occasionally use CW/PSK-D/FSK-D modes on your KX2 in situations where logging is inconvenient or impossible, such as when operating hand held from a narrow ledge thousands of feet above a river gorge, this feature should be of interest. 

Note: It will be some time before we can port this feature to the KX3, since fairly extensive changes are required. We?d like to fully test the feature on the KX2 first, since, given its small size, it is far more likely to be used in precarious situations where attempting to log on paper could result in injury or at minimum the need for an embarrassing rescue.

Details:

While we call this ?logging,? it?s actually less formal than that. When MENU:LOGGING is set to ON, the KX2 will simply record up to 2 kbytes of your outgoing CW/PSK-D/FSK-D characters in EEPROM. Time stamps and band/mode data are stored along with the text. A ?LOG FULL? message will be flashed if you reach the 2 kb limit.

Later, when you have time (say at base camp, or in your Land Rover), you can reconstruct your log. The stored text can be reviewed at the rig itself using a new VFO B display function (LOG). VFO A is used to scroll through the text. The log text can then be erased using the CLR knob function.

You can optionally send the entire contents of the log to a computer using the new ?LG;? command. This command can be used from within the KX2 Utility Command Tester screen, or from any terminal emulator application. 

If you?d like to try this feature, please email me directly.

73,
Wayne
N6KR



From pincon at erols.com  Fri May 26 17:25:06 2017
From: pincon at erols.com (Charlie T, K3ICH)
Date: Fri, 26 May 2017 17:25:06 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Will it work on other Radios
In-Reply-To: <CABDoXRJFVxAZn5v-ss_=Ab3SU47Ohb==EFYOE6j_6yNCtHY_tg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABDoXRJFVxAZn5v-ss_=Ab3SU47Ohb==EFYOE6j_6yNCtHY_tg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <011e01d2d666$8eb7bca0$ac2735e0$@erols.com>

Yes. I believe the range for i's input is between 450 kHz and 21 MHz, so
it'll work with our boatanchor radios that use a 455 kHz  or 10.7 MHz IF.

73 Charlie k3ICH


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Will the P3 work on other manufacturer radios?

Thanks, Scott N1SER
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From k7jltextra at gmail.com  Fri May 26 18:24:16 2017
From: k7jltextra at gmail.com (John Hendricks)
Date: Fri, 26 May 2017 15:24:16 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Deviation
In-Reply-To: <CAGUxkM4RjHTVu-B6waP_pWYA8oAYwkCGQetD=mq_QKO_KuwdUw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGUxkM6sxgV2N++KRQ3uRCMWPzke--6GhS1iDGM6WTPigjQx5g@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGUxkM7KRaS7jcAZM70S8eK_CmLb+1=ED0krPtV1uQvnrNLQKA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGUxkM75i+O+hm8qCZ4LMaUJBEMycPNsUtKHbHcSUzVbPw7DjQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGUxkM6MUJYASjDHHtxHMwkv9qH2RoG1X66W_Y7dPJyZj_Wbyg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGUxkM4ASxXVLOdxLydr9ypwWC3f23EUhsgQry89=OE8+3OT_A@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGUxkM5aH-i-rd9L-LJpBQ2P8DOGLw7kqOyvn6Aq2yDK3Q-KLA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGUxkM45zV7Veg3+q=ek_RdckL0QKU-fcZZODV_HaX3N6YiiiQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGUxkM4RjHTVu-B6waP_pWYA8oAYwkCGQetD=mq_QKO_KuwdUw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGUxkM7xFvKAP04CPYoqG3a6Ru7QoySAFxvT-tpPfRyDNeP-5A@mail.gmail.com>

I plan on setting my KX3 with 2 meter module up for packet and wondered if
anyone had measured the deviation at the standard 4 bars with the 5
flickering in FM mode?

John K7JLT

From jim at jtmiller.com  Fri May 26 20:05:34 2017
From: jim at jtmiller.com (Jim Miller)
Date: Fri, 26 May 2017 20:05:34 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Remote operation of K3s from Android phone?
Message-ID: <CACYeN9xONgLMQemg3uf4nk6F8yS9+D0y+AWMUbj-ioGam8GohQ@mail.gmail.com>

A friend is investigating operation remotely and wonders if it is possible
from a Samsung phone. He's strictly an SSB op. He's OK with operating thru
a PC at the shack end as he never turns either the PC or rig off.

Ideas?

73

jim ab3cv

From tim.n9puz at gmail.com  Fri May 26 23:27:19 2017
From: tim.n9puz at gmail.com (Tim McDonough N9PUZ)
Date: Fri, 26 May 2017 22:27:19 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 Battery Question
Message-ID: <b97e8b2a-a64f-b893-0e04-a596061f90e2@gmail.com>

I have a "new to me" KX2 along with the internal battery and charger. 
Inside the KX2 battery compartment, is there supposed to be any sort of 
insulating sheet or pad covering the circuit board?

There was nothing inside mine when I opened it and my first thought is 
that even though it is insulated the battery pack shouldn't lay right on 
the circuit board above. I don't want to chance damaging the radio.

73,

Tim N9PUZ


From nr4c at widomaker.com  Fri May 26 23:55:10 2017
From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c)
Date: Fri, 26 May 2017 23:55:10 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Will it work on other Radios
In-Reply-To: <CABDoXRJFVxAZn5v-ss_=Ab3SU47Ohb==EFYOE6j_6yNCtHY_tg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABDoXRJFVxAZn5v-ss_=Ab3SU47Ohb==EFYOE6j_6yNCtHY_tg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E861E45E-8B7D-42B7-A81D-97DB568740FC@widomaker.com>

If you have access to IF OUT. 

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill


> On May 26, 2017, at 4:03 PM, Scott Russell <serussell at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Will the P3 work on other manufacturer radios?
> 
> Thanks, Scott N1SER
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From k2vco.vic at gmail.com  Sat May 27 00:49:31 2017
From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Vic Rosenthal)
Date: Sat, 27 May 2017 07:49:31 +0300
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Will it work on other Radios
In-Reply-To: <E861E45E-8B7D-42B7-A81D-97DB568740FC@widomaker.com>
References: <CABDoXRJFVxAZn5v-ss_=Ab3SU47Ohb==EFYOE6j_6yNCtHY_tg@mail.gmail.com>
	<E861E45E-8B7D-42B7-A81D-97DB568740FC@widomaker.com>
Message-ID: <F783B1F4-1374-4D40-BA5F-A54367BBC3E6@gmail.com>

This is true, if the IF is in range. But there are  some features that require communication between the radio and the P3. I think it may only work in tracking mode (not fixed mode). In any event, I would check this out in detail before buying one with the intention of using it with a radio other than the K3 or K3S.

Vic 4X6GP 

> On 27 May 2017, at 6:55, Nr4c <nr4c at widomaker.com> wrote:
> 
> If you have access to IF OUT. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> ...nr4c. bill
> 
> 
>> On May 26, 2017, at 4:03 PM, Scott Russell <serussell at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Will the P3 work on other manufacturer radios?
>> 
>> Thanks, Scott N1SER
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From n6kr at elecraft.com  Sat May 27 01:14:21 2017
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Fri, 26 May 2017 22:14:21 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 Battery Question
In-Reply-To: <b97e8b2a-a64f-b893-0e04-a596061f90e2@gmail.com>
References: <b97e8b2a-a64f-b893-0e04-a596061f90e2@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <35190EF1-30D6-4A5F-9F53-B47F3CD154BD@elecraft.com>


> On May 26, 2017, at 8:27 PM, Tim McDonough N9PUZ <tim.n9puz at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I have a "new to me" KX2 along with the internal battery and charger. Inside the KX2 battery compartment, is there supposed to be any sort of insulating sheet or pad covering the circuit board?


Tim,

No insulating sheet is necessary. The battery is double shrink-wrapped, there are no parts on that area of the PC board, and there?s nothing sharp that could abrade the plastic covering. It?s all quite safe.

There is of course a rubberized pad on the inside of the bottom cover. This creates high friction to keep the battery from moving around.

73,
Wayne
N6KR



From n1al at sonic.net  Sat May 27 01:43:52 2017
From: n1al at sonic.net (Alan)
Date: Fri, 26 May 2017 22:43:52 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Will it work on other Radios
In-Reply-To: <F783B1F4-1374-4D40-BA5F-A54367BBC3E6@gmail.com>
References: <CABDoXRJFVxAZn5v-ss_=Ab3SU47Ohb==EFYOE6j_6yNCtHY_tg@mail.gmail.com>
	<E861E45E-8B7D-42B7-A81D-97DB568740FC@widomaker.com>
	<F783B1F4-1374-4D40-BA5F-A54367BBC3E6@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <bec135d4-0334-4223-a7a9-3770d5e23026@sonic.net>

It works in tracking mode, but not fixed-tune mode.  It also does not 
show the receiver VFO frequency or the IF bandwidth.  But you can change 
the span, reference level and scale, use the markers, turn on averaging, 
set function keys, etc.  As long as the radio has a wide-band IF output 
in the range of approximately 455 kHz to 21.7 MHz it should work fine.

Alan N1AL


On 05/26/2017 09:49 PM, Vic Rosenthal wrote:
> This is true, if the IF is in range. But there are  some features that require communication between the radio and the P3. I think it may only work in tracking mode (not fixed mode). In any event, I would check this out in detail before buying one with the intention of using it with a radio other than the K3 or K3S.
>
> Vic 4X6GP
>
>> On 27 May 2017, at 6:55, Nr4c <nr4c at widomaker.com> wrote:
>>
>> If you have access to IF OUT.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> ...nr4c. bill
>>
>>
>>> On May 26, 2017, at 4:03 PM, Scott Russell <serussell at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Will the P3 work on other manufacturer radios?
>>>
>>> Thanks, Scott N1SER
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From n1al at sonic.net  Sat May 27 01:54:37 2017
From: n1al at sonic.net (Alan)
Date: Fri, 26 May 2017 22:54:37 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 Will it work on other Radios
In-Reply-To: <F783B1F4-1374-4D40-BA5F-A54367BBC3E6@gmail.com>
References: <CABDoXRJFVxAZn5v-ss_=Ab3SU47Ohb==EFYOE6j_6yNCtHY_tg@mail.gmail.com>
	<E861E45E-8B7D-42B7-A81D-97DB568740FC@widomaker.com>
	<F783B1F4-1374-4D40-BA5F-A54367BBC3E6@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0512c5a3-2bb8-9559-436f-e50b75aca0a6@sonic.net>

It works in tracking mode, but not fixed-tune mode.  It also does not 
show the receiver VFO frequency or the IF bandwidth.  But you can change 
the span, reference level and scale, use the markers, turn on averaging, 
set function keys, etc.  As long as the radio has a wide-band IF output 
in the range of approximately 455 kHz to 21.7 MHz it should work fine.

Alan N1AL


On 05/26/2017 09:49 PM, Vic Rosenthal wrote:
> This is true, if the IF is in range. But there are  some features that require communication between the radio and the P3. I think it may only work in tracking mode (not fixed mode). In any event, I would check this out in detail before buying one with the intention of using it with a radio other than the K3 or K3S.
>
> Vic 4X6GP
>
>> On 27 May 2017, at 6:55, Nr4c <nr4c at widomaker.com> wrote:
>>
>> If you have access to IF OUT.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> ...nr4c. bill
>>
>>
>>> On May 26, 2017, at 4:03 PM, Scott Russell <serussell at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Will the P3 work on other manufacturer radios?
>>>
>>> Thanks, Scott N1SER
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From ldz at chopcat.co.uk  Sat May 27 02:44:11 2017
From: ldz at chopcat.co.uk (Trevor Clapp)
Date: Sat, 27 May 2017 07:44:11 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 with other Radios
Message-ID: <29EA4E71-CA9A-48DF-9A4A-22EDA77EF1B7@chopcat.co.uk>

I have a P3 for both my K3S and another for a FT5000.

With the 5000 you only get tracking mode and of course no integration of the point and shoot features....however it is the most straightforward and best panadapter solution i have tried or seen for the 5000.  Particularly as I am mac based which counts out lots of the computer based options.
I love it


(And sorry not sure how to include the post trail in my reply as i am replying from the daily summary)

M?TDZ
2E?LDZ
Trevor Clapp




From n6kr at elecraft.com  Sat May 27 03:00:37 2017
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Sat, 27 May 2017 00:00:37 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] CQ WPX CW contest going on right now, through tomorrow;
 lots of great DX!
Message-ID: <4566DD37-4A1C-4D05-82E4-F93F136CCABA@elecraft.com>

Hi all,

In case you didn?t know about it.... Check out the CW bands tonight and tomorrow. They?re on fire with stations operating in the ?WPX? contest. I?m hearing tons of DX stations on 20 and 40 m, and earlier today there was plenty of activity on 15 m as well. Full info at:

    http://www.cqwpx.com/rules.htm

You can operate casually in this contest if all you want to do is work some new countries or states, test your antennas, try a new rig, etc. The exchange is just a signal report and ?serial number? (incrementing QSO number, starting at #001). Some stations are already approaching 1000 contacts, and it just started earlier today.

Have fun!

Wayne
N6KR


From G0ORH at sky.com  Sat May 27 04:06:41 2017
From: G0ORH at sky.com (Ken Chandler)
Date: Sat, 27 May 2017 09:06:41 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] CQ WPX CW contest going on right now, through
	tomorrow; lots of great DX!
In-Reply-To: <4566DD37-4A1C-4D05-82E4-F93F136CCABA@elecraft.com>
References: <4566DD37-4A1C-4D05-82E4-F93F136CCABA@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <55E7BA93-7361-4323-A80D-026A07EAE388@sky.com>

Agree
I've just broken off 9am for coffee here nr London.
My day started at 04:00 on 20m.
20m is awash with K6, K7's Condx are GREAT.
POINT YOUR BEAMS TO EU PSE!!!

Cheers  
Ken ....M3i



Sent from my iPad


> On 27 May 2017, at 08:00, Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> In case you didn?t know about it.... Check out the CW bands tonight and tomorrow. They?re on fire with stations operating in the ?WPX? contest. I?m hearing tons of DX stations on 20 and 40 m, and earlier today there was plenty of activity on 15 m as well. Full info at:
> 
>    http://www.cqwpx.com/rules.htm
> 
> You can operate casually in this contest if all you want to do is work some new countries or states, test your antennas, try a new rig, etc. The exchange is just a signal report and ?serial number? (incrementing QSO number, starting at #001). Some stations are already approaching 1000 contacts, and it just started earlier today.
> 
> Have fun!
> 
> Wayne
> N6KR
> 
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From sancho at frawg.org  Sat May 27 10:07:48 2017
From: sancho at frawg.org (Jack Spitznagel)
Date: Sat, 27 May 2017 10:07:48 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Deviation
In-Reply-To: <CAGUxkM7xFvKAP04CPYoqG3a6Ru7QoySAFxvT-tpPfRyDNeP-5A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGUxkM6sxgV2N++KRQ3uRCMWPzke--6GhS1iDGM6WTPigjQx5g@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGUxkM7KRaS7jcAZM70S8eK_CmLb+1=ED0krPtV1uQvnrNLQKA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGUxkM75i+O+hm8qCZ4LMaUJBEMycPNsUtKHbHcSUzVbPw7DjQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGUxkM6MUJYASjDHHtxHMwkv9qH2RoG1X66W_Y7dPJyZj_Wbyg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGUxkM4ASxXVLOdxLydr9ypwWC3f23EUhsgQry89=OE8+3OT_A@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGUxkM5aH-i-rd9L-LJpBQ2P8DOGLw7kqOyvn6Aq2yDK3Q-KLA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGUxkM45zV7Veg3+q=ek_RdckL0QKU-fcZZODV_HaX3N6YiiiQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGUxkM4RjHTVu-B6waP_pWYA8oAYwkCGQetD=mq_QKO_KuwdUw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGUxkM7xFvKAP04CPYoqG3a6Ru7QoySAFxvT-tpPfRyDNeP-5A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <730974D8-C802-490D-B22F-C0B148895BA1@frawg.org>

Good question John! With Field Day approaching, I was thinking the same since KX3 will not be a primary ops rig. Love to hear the FM gurus speak up.

Jack KD4IZ 

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 26, 2017, at 18:24, John Hendricks <k7jltextra at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I plan on setting my KX3 with 2 meter module up for packet and wondered if
> anyone had measured the deviation at the standard 4 bars with the 5
> flickering in FM mode?
> 
> John K7JLT
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From cbjesseeNH at comcast.net  Sat May 27 10:17:58 2017
From: cbjesseeNH at comcast.net (MaverickNH)
Date: Sat, 27 May 2017 07:17:58 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] [K3S] JT65-HF Beginner
Message-ID: <1495894678724-7631145.post@n2.nabble.com>

I'm coming to JT65-HF as a beginner, looking to setup and use it with my K3S,
and have a few questions. Note I have HRD installed as well.

1. Should I start with the original V1.0.93 or the HB9HQX V4.9.4?
2. PTT via CAT command or PTT Port to use K3S sound card?

Just to start...

Bret/N4SRN



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From tim.n9puz at gmail.com  Sat May 27 10:23:34 2017
From: tim.n9puz at gmail.com (Tim McDonough N9PUZ)
Date: Sat, 27 May 2017 09:23:34 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 Battery Question
In-Reply-To: <35190EF1-30D6-4A5F-9F53-B47F3CD154BD@elecraft.com>
References: <b97e8b2a-a64f-b893-0e04-a596061f90e2@gmail.com>
	<35190EF1-30D6-4A5F-9F53-B47F3CD154BD@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <10074baf-a683-6efe-14f4-b2f542dcdfd6@gmail.com>

On 5/27/2017 12:14 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
>> I have a "new to me" KX2 along with the internal battery and charger. Inside the KX2 battery compartment, is there supposed to be any sort of insulating sheet or pad covering the circuit board?
> 
> No insulating sheet is necessary. The battery is double shrink-wrapped, there are no parts on that area of the PC board, and there?s nothing sharp that could abrade the plastic covering. It?s all quite safe.
> 
> There is of course a rubberized pad on the inside of the bottom cover. This creates high friction to keep the battery from moving around.
> 

Very good. Great radio and I just didn't want to mess anything up.

Thank you Wayne!

73,

Tim N9PUZ

From dhblake at yahoo.com  Sat May 27 10:39:48 2017
From: dhblake at yahoo.com (David Blake)
Date: Sat, 27 May 2017 14:39:48 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] [K3S] JT65-HF Beginner
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I tried for months to get mine working, used this link and had it working in 5 minutes and a few clicks!
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-yBKo9Fr1NmwG4AaV0jiI6LbtiMysYGVLPqw2LDG8kM/edit?pref=2&pli=1#
73 Dave -N4DB-
On Saturday, May 27, 2017, 10:22:05 AM EDT, MaverickNH <cbjesseeNH at comcast.net> wrote:I'm coming to JT65-HF as a beginner, looking to setup and use it with my K3S,
and have a few questions. Note I have HRD installed as well.

1. Should I start with the original V1.0.93 or the HB9HQX V4.9.4?
2. PTT via CAT command or PTT Port to use K3S sound card?

Just to start...

Bret/N4SRN



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From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Sat May 27 10:47:54 2017
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sat, 27 May 2017 10:47:54 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] [K3S] JT65-HF Beginner
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Bret,

Look at and follow the setup instructions at:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-yBKo9Fr1NmwG4AaV0jiI6LbtiMysYGVLPqw2LDG8kM/pub

Be certain to use DATA A and adjust the audio level to produce 4 bars on 
the ALC meter with the 5th bar flickering.  Set the desired power with 
the POWER knob.  This is important for proper power control. The 
Elecraft transceivers control power differently than other transceivers, 
so ignore the common internet advice to control power with the audio level.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 5/27/2017 10:17 AM, MaverickNH wrote:
> I'm coming to JT65-HF as a beginner, looking to setup and use it with my K3S,
> and have a few questions. Note I have HRD installed as well.
> 
> 1. Should I start with the original V1.0.93 or the HB9HQX V4.9.4?
> 2. PTT via CAT command or PTT Port to use K3S sound card?
> 
> Just to start...
> 
> Bret/N4SRN
> 
> 
> 
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From cbjesseeNH at comcast.net  Sat May 27 11:27:32 2017
From: cbjesseeNH at comcast.net (MaverickNH)
Date: Sat, 27 May 2017 08:27:32 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] [K3S] JT65-HF Beginner
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Some of that on setting up WSJT-X in JT-65 will probably help me with JT65-HF
setup, but I'm not sure if you had noted that is a different app(s)?

http://jt65-hf.com/downloads/
https://sourceforge.net/projects/jt65hfhb9hqxedi/?source=navbar

Bret/N4SRN



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From lists at subich.com  Sat May 27 11:34:41 2017
From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV)
Date: Sat, 27 May 2017 11:34:41 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] [K3S] JT65-HF Beginner
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	<1495898852887-7631149.post@n2.nabble.com>
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You are far better off starting with WSJT-X than using JT65-HF which is
obsolete.  WSJT-X provides better decoding than and of the JT65-HF forks
and also support JT9 which is even more sensitive (and uses less
bandwidth) than JT65.

73,

    ... Joe, W4TV


On 5/27/2017 11:27 AM, MaverickNH wrote:
> Some of that on setting up WSJT-X in JT-65 will probably help me with JT65-HF
> setup, but I'm not sure if you had noted that is a different app(s)?
> 
> http://jt65-hf.com/downloads/
> https://sourceforge.net/projects/jt65hfhb9hqxedi/?source=navbar
> 
> Bret/N4SRN
> 
> 
> 
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From hlyingst at yahoo.com  Sat May 27 11:23:28 2017
From: hlyingst at yahoo.com (Harry Yingst)
Date: Sat, 27 May 2017 15:23:28 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] List overload - It's actually not good for Elecraft's
	business.
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The list is pretty much turning into a captive audience?for some tohawk their wares and for others it has become a bit of a soap boxdroning on about off topic subjects for far longer than they need to be.
It's one thing to post a short for sale and respond off list for a personal sale.
But some selling commercially?are using?this list as a captive?audience.
(I tend to view them pretty much the same as I do any other spammer.)
What has happened with me before (and about to do the same) is I just unsubscribefrom the list completely and only very occasionally visit the Elecraft web page.
Sadly that inadvertently turns into me just taking my business elsewhere.
When I'm looking for a project or a new toy Elecraft falls into being
just one more face in the crowd instead of being at the top of the list.
So I wind up spending my money elsewhere and then when I finallydo look at Elecrafts page and see a new toy I don't buy it becauseI've already gotten a new toy from another vendor.


From kengkopp at gmail.com  Sat May 27 12:01:09 2017
From: kengkopp at gmail.com (Ken G Kopp)
Date: Sat, 27 May 2017 10:01:09 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] List overload - It's actually not good for
	Elecraft's business.
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Harry,

I completely disagree.

73

K0PP

On May 27, 2017 9:43 AM, "Harry Yingst via Elecraft" <
elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:

> The list is pretty much turning into a captive audience for some tohawk
> their wares and for others it has become a bit of a soap boxdroning on
> about off topic subjects for far longer than they need to be.
> It's one thing to post a short for sale and respond off list for a
> personal sale.
> But some selling commercially are using this list as a captive audience.
> (I tend to view them pretty much the same as I do any other spammer.)
> What has happened with me before (and about to do the same) is I just
> unsubscribefrom the list completely and only very occasionally visit the
> Elecraft web page.
> Sadly that inadvertently turns into me just taking my business elsewhere.
> When I'm looking for a project or a new toy Elecraft falls into being
> just one more face in the crowd instead of being at the top of the list.
> So I wind up spending my money elsewhere and then when I finallydo look at
> Elecrafts page and see a new toy I don't buy it becauseI've already gotten
> a new toy from another vendor.
>
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From k3ndm at comcast.net  Sat May 27 12:13:23 2017
From: k3ndm at comcast.net (Barry)
Date: Sat, 27 May 2017 16:13:23 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] CQ WPX CW contest going on right now, through
 tomorrow; lots of great DX!
In-Reply-To: <4566DD37-4A1C-4D05-82E4-F93F136CCABA@elecraft.com>
References: <4566DD37-4A1C-4D05-82E4-F93F136CCABA@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <em59b1d916-3f9b-4380-916b-2db31f346667@desktop-s741h4i>

Wayne,
     I've been running 80 only with my center fed inverted L. I've 
managed to worked some of Europe and South America as well as the usual 
US and Canadians. However, the population of contesters on 80 appears to 
be much lower than on 40 and 20. And, that's unfortunate as 80 seems to 
be open also.

73,
Barry
K3NDM

------ Original Message ------
From: "Wayne Burdick" <n6kr at elecraft.com>
To: "Elecraft Reflector" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Cc: "KX3 at yahoogroups.com" <KX3 at yahoogroups.com>
Sent: 5/27/2017 3:00:37 AM
Subject: [Elecraft] CQ WPX CW contest going on right now, through 
tomorrow; lots of great DX!

>Hi all,
>
>In case you didn?t know about it.... Check out the CW bands tonight and 
>tomorrow. They?re on fire with stations operating in the ?WPX? contest. 
>I?m hearing tons of DX stations on 20 and 40 m, and earlier today there 
>was plenty of activity on 15 m as well. Full info at:
>
>     http://www.cqwpx.com/rules.htm
>
>You can operate casually in this contest if all you want to do is work 
>some new countries or states, test your antennas, try a new rig, etc. 
>The exchange is just a signal report and ?serial number? (incrementing 
>QSO number, starting at #001). Some stations are already approaching 
>1000 contacts, and it just started earlier today.
>
>Have fun!
>
>Wayne
>N6KR
>
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From dean.k2ww at gmail.com  Sat May 27 12:18:18 2017
From: dean.k2ww at gmail.com (Dean L)
Date: Sat, 27 May 2017 12:18:18 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] List overload - It's actually not good for
	Elecraft's business.
In-Reply-To: <463335534.1309694.1495898608264@mail.yahoo.com>
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'Face in the crowd"? Are you serious? Take a look around... Elecraft is a
humble operation that strives to make a quality product at affordable price.

Never had a sip of the kool-aid, just a content customer.

Good luck with your search.

Signed (proudly)

Dean M LaClair

On May 27, 2017 11:43 AM, "Harry Yingst via Elecraft" <
elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:

> The list is pretty much turning into a captive audience for some tohawk
> their wares and for others it has become a bit of a soap boxdroning on
> about off topic subjects for far longer than they need to be.
> It's one thing to post a short for sale and respond off list for a
> personal sale.
> But some selling commercially are using this list as a captive audience.
> (I tend to view them pretty much the same as I do any other spammer.)
> What has happened with me before (and about to do the same) is I just
> unsubscribefrom the list completely and only very occasionally visit the
> Elecraft web page.
> Sadly that inadvertently turns into me just taking my business elsewhere.
> When I'm looking for a project or a new toy Elecraft falls into being
> just one more face in the crowd instead of being at the top of the list.
> So I wind up spending my money elsewhere and then when I finallydo look at
> Elecrafts page and see a new toy I don't buy it becauseI've already gotten
> a new toy from another vendor.
>
> ______________________________________________________________
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From ppauly at gmail.com  Sat May 27 13:14:39 2017
From: ppauly at gmail.com (Peter Pauly)
Date: Sat, 27 May 2017 13:14:39 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 Battery Question
In-Reply-To: <10074baf-a683-6efe-14f4-b2f542dcdfd6@gmail.com>
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	<35190EF1-30D6-4A5F-9F53-B47F3CD154BD@elecraft.com>
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I would have liked to see a big piece of kapton tape covering the board.
Aren't the components ESD sensitive?

On Sat, May 27, 2017 at 10:23 AM, Tim McDonough N9PUZ <tim.n9puz at gmail.com>
wrote:

> On 5/27/2017 12:14 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
>
>> I have a "new to me" KX2 along with the internal battery and charger.
>>> Inside the KX2 battery compartment, is there supposed to be any sort of
>>> insulating sheet or pad covering the circuit board?
>>>
>>
>> No insulating sheet is necessary. The battery is double shrink-wrapped,
>> there are no parts on that area of the PC board, and there?s nothing sharp
>> that could abrade the plastic covering. It?s all quite safe.
>>
>> There is of course a rubberized pad on the inside of the bottom cover.
>> This creates high friction to keep the battery from moving around.
>>
>>
> Very good. Great radio and I just didn't want to mess anything up.
>
> Thank you Wayne!
>
> 73,
>
> Tim N9PUZ
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From k7jltextra at gmail.com  Sat May 27 13:34:42 2017
From: k7jltextra at gmail.com (John Hendricks)
Date: Sat, 27 May 2017 10:34:42 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Deviation
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Agreed!
John K7JLT

On May 27, 2017 07:07, "Jack Spitznagel" <sancho at frawg.org> wrote:

> Good question John! With Field Day approaching, I was thinking the same
> since KX3 will not be a primary ops rig. Love to hear the FM gurus speak up.
>
> Jack KD4IZ
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On May 26, 2017, at 18:24, John Hendricks <k7jltextra at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > I plan on setting my KX3 with 2 meter module up for packet and wondered
> if
> > anyone had measured the deviation at the standard 4 bars with the 5
> > flickering in FM mode?
> >
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From elecraftcovers at gmail.com  Sat May 27 13:38:07 2017
From: elecraftcovers at gmail.com (Rose)
Date: Sat, 27 May 2017 11:38:07 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] List overload - Additional
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Actually Harry, how else would an owner of Elecraft equipment easily become
aware of what's available?

No different than a vehicle vendor offering floor mats manufactured by
another vendor.

Two after-market vendors come to mind that are Elecraft-specific, and are
occasionally "plugged" by list members.
I purchased their products after becoming aware of them on the list. Much
more efficient than a Google search.

FWIW ...

K0PP

From n6kr at elecraft.com  Sat May 27 13:42:50 2017
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Sat, 27 May 2017 10:42:50 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 Battery Question
In-Reply-To: <CAKXfWbQ1M2qS4_1CMeupU9GQ3JHXcgAsih=TKPDqOxc+iBVZ8A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b97e8b2a-a64f-b893-0e04-a596061f90e2@gmail.com>
	<35190EF1-30D6-4A5F-9F53-B47F3CD154BD@elecraft.com>
	<10074baf-a683-6efe-14f4-b2f542dcdfd6@gmail.com>
	<CAKXfWbQ1M2qS4_1CMeupU9GQ3JHXcgAsih=TKPDqOxc+iBVZ8A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F582E2B0-6FD1-4A06-A2D3-3E71906BF187@elecraft.com>

There are no components anywhere near the battery. The bottom of the RF board in this area was left completely clear specifically to avoid the need for any supplemental insulating material.

73,
Wayne
N6KR



> On May 27, 2017, at 10:14 AM, Peter Pauly <ppauly at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I would have liked to see a big piece of kapton tape covering the board. Aren't the components ESD sensitive?
> 
> On Sat, May 27, 2017 at 10:23 AM, Tim McDonough N9PUZ <tim.n9puz at gmail.com> wrote:
> On 5/27/2017 12:14 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
> I have a "new to me" KX2 along with the internal battery and charger. Inside the KX2 battery compartment, is there supposed to be any sort of insulating sheet or pad covering the circuit board?
> 
> No insulating sheet is necessary. The battery is double shrink-wrapped, there are no parts on that area of the PC board, and there?s nothing sharp that could abrade the plastic covering. It?s all quite safe.
> 
> There is of course a rubberized pad on the inside of the bottom cover. This creates high friction to keep the battery from moving around.
> 
> 
> Very good. Great radio and I just didn't want to mess anything up.
> 
> Thank you Wayne!
> 
> 73,
> 
> Tim N9PUZ
> 
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From wunder at wunderwood.org  Sat May 27 13:47:42 2017
From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood)
Date: Sat, 27 May 2017 10:47:42 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] List overload - Additional
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Some high volume lists have two lists, xxx-announce and xxx-discuss. The xxx-announce is sometimes a read-only list that can only be posted to be the list owners. No replies allowed. The xxx-discuss list is for discussion, of course.

I don?t fee the list is too busy, but I?ve been getting thousands of e-mails for decades.

wunder
Walter Underwood
wunder at wunderwood.org
http://observer.wunderwood.org/  (my blog)


> On May 27, 2017, at 10:38 AM, Rose <elecraftcovers at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Actually Harry, how else would an owner of Elecraft equipment easily become
> aware of what's available?
> 
> No different than a vehicle vendor offering floor mats manufactured by
> another vendor.
> 
> Two after-market vendors come to mind that are Elecraft-specific, and are
> occasionally "plugged" by list members.
> I purchased their products after becoming aware of them on the list. Much
> more efficient than a Google search.
> 
> FWIW ...
> 
> K0PP
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From rglogan73 at gmail.com  Sat May 27 13:53:25 2017
From: rglogan73 at gmail.com (Ron Wilcox)
Date: Sat, 27 May 2017 11:53:25 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] List overload - Additional
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Harry I would respectfully disagree with some of your post. Because of
questions from others I have learned a lot about using antennas with my KX2
while camping, I have been able to investigate side products that work with
my K3s and have purchased a few of them and they have enhanced my operating
with my rigs. I would not have known about them otherwise.  I have seen
posts about some RFI and followed some suggestions that has helped reduce
my RFI. These may not have been directly elecraft products but they have
really helped me. Some forums are too strict for me and not very friendly,
this one has just the right balance for me. Not having an electronics
background I have learned  a lot. It reminds me of another forum I really
like, DXlab where no question is to be slighted, and it is a very open
learning format. I feel the same about this one. Nurturing a learning
environment for all in the hobby who buy elecraft, to me, is
important.There have been a few threads that should have been stopped and
were. Being offended easily, being grumpy, or unwilling to entertain
other's views is not needed. I find it very easy to delete posts I do not
need. I hope you stay on because it sounds like you have experience and can
help others who might be new or not have a technology background. Have a
great day.

Today is a good day to have a Great Day!
73       Ron Wilcox KF7ZN
RN, BSN
Secretary Utah DX Club
ARRL & W5YI VE
ARRL  Instructor

On Sat, May 27, 2017 at 11:38 AM, Rose <elecraftcovers at gmail.com> wrote:

> Actually Harry, how else would an owner of Elecraft equipment easily become
> aware of what's available?
>
> No different than a vehicle vendor offering floor mats manufactured by
> another vendor.
>
> Two after-market vendors come to mind that are Elecraft-specific, and are
> occasionally "plugged" by list members.
> I purchased their products after becoming aware of them on the list. Much
> more efficient than a Google search.
>
> FWIW ...
>
> K0PP
> ______________________________________________________________
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> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
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From KX3.1 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com  Sat May 27 14:05:30 2017
From: KX3.1 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com (Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT)
Date: Sat, 27 May 2017 11:05:30 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] List overload - It's actually not good for
 Elecraft's business.
In-Reply-To: <CAD4CdTNRyuXRDKeKOAakn7OR4WG=ufmWaMHB154uZ6p+DYkq-Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <36937bfb4d1ea5efbb88ca951fef05bd.squirrel@www11.qth.com>
	<72bb555040374aee8971713ea8894e7c@Server.thorntonmostullaw.com>
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Message-ID: <a1e66909-2f31-5f02-f3ad-de962213e67a@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com>

There is an absolutely wonderful tool called PopFile that sits between 
your mail client and your mail server, reads all your incoming mail and 
classifies it.

You set up folders, call them K3S or KX3 or Antennas or QRM, and you 
start clicking on messages and telling PopFile "this is Antennas" or 
"This is QRM" and after the first half-dozen are classified, you only 
click on "errors."

You don't even have to know why QRM is QRM.

I respectfully submit that those who think this (relatively quiet and 
fairly tame) list is a problem spend a little time with PopFile.

73 -- Lynn

On 5/27/2017 9:01 AM, Ken G Kopp wrote:
> Harry,
> 
> I completely disagree.
> 
> 73
> 
> K0PP
> 
> On May 27, 2017 9:43 AM, "Harry Yingst via Elecraft" <
> elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
> 
>> The list is pretty much turning into a captive audience for some tohawk
>> their wares and for others it has become a bit of a soap boxdroning on
>> about off topic subjects for far longer than they need to be.
>> It's one thing to post a short for sale and respond off list for a
>> personal sale.
>> But some selling commercially are using this list as a captive audience.
>> (I tend to view them pretty much the same as I do any other spammer.)
>> What has happened with me before (and about to do the same) is I just
>> unsubscribefrom the list completely and only very occasionally visit the
>> Elecraft web page.
>> Sadly that inadvertently turns into me just taking my business elsewhere.
>> When I'm looking for a project or a new toy Elecraft falls into being
>> just one more face in the crowd instead of being at the top of the list.
>> So I wind up spending my money elsewhere and then when I finallydo look at
>> Elecrafts page and see a new toy I don't buy it becauseI've already gotten
>> a new toy from another vendor.
>>
>> ______________________________________________________________
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>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
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From n9tf at comcast.net  Sat May 27 14:08:56 2017
From: n9tf at comcast.net (EUGENE GABRY)
Date: Sat, 27 May 2017 13:08:56 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Elecraft] CQ WPX CW contest going on right now, through
 tomorrow; lots of great DX!
In-Reply-To: <em59b1d916-3f9b-4380-916b-2db31f346667@desktop-s741h4i>
References: <4566DD37-4A1C-4D05-82E4-F93F136CCABA@elecraft.com>
	<em59b1d916-3f9b-4380-916b-2db31f346667@desktop-s741h4i>
Message-ID: <1648416512.567213.1495908536387@connect.xfinity.com>

Lots of lightning static here in Northern IL on 80 last night. I did hear several EU stations on cqing though, but they never heard me. CS2C was really loud. I' am running Qrp SB on 80m (K3s). My antenna is a 40/80 short Dipole made by Hy-Power Antenna company. The Apex is only 35 sloping down to 15' at the ends. I'll be on again tonight Barry. Maybe we will make a QSO. Worked a lot of 3's last night! Hopefully static crashes will be less, but doubtful. Looks like another storm system just out to my SW heading in just in time for night hours :(


73 Gene, N9TF

> 
>     On May 27, 2017 at 11:13 AM Barry <k3ndm at comcast.net> wrote:
> 
>     Wayne,
>     I've been running 80 only with my center fed inverted L. I've
>     managed to worked some of Europe and South America as well as the usual
>     US and Canadians. However, the population of contesters on 80 appears to
>     be much lower than on 40 and 20. And, that's unfortunate as 80 seems to
>     be open also.
> 
>     73,
>     Barry
>     K3NDM
> 
>     -
> 

From n3kcb at usa.net  Sat May 27 14:17:46 2017
From: n3kcb at usa.net (Anthony Clare)
Date: Sat, 27 May 2017 14:17:46 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 vfo knob
Message-ID: <534VeAsqU7984S01.1495909066@web01.cms.usa.net>

Hello:

I am well into the assembly of K2 #7734 and ran into a snag. The vfo knob will
not come close enough to the felt washer to create any friction. I cannot see
where I would have done anything wrong during assembly. 

Otherwise, the new encoder feels really good. I just need to stop the
freewheeling of the knob when I let go of it. I have some ideas in my head,
but I wanted to see what you guys have done first.

Any ideas?

Anthony
n3kcb


From jwsturges at gmail.com  Sat May 27 14:23:00 2017
From: jwsturges at gmail.com (Jim Sr Sturges)
Date: Sat, 27 May 2017 18:23:00 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] List overload - Additional
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The way to encourage more posts like this is to reply to them, he said with
an embarrassed look.

On Sat, 27 May 2017 at 13:55 Ron Wilcox <rglogan73 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Harry I would respectfully disagree with some of your post. Because of
> questions from others I have learned a lot about using antennas with my KX2
> while camping, I have been able to investigate side products that work with
> my K3s and have purchased a few of them and they have enhanced my operating
> with my rigs. I would not have known about them otherwise.  I have seen
> posts about some RFI and followed some suggestions that has helped reduce
> my RFI. These may not have been directly elecraft products but they have
> really helped me. Some forums are too strict for me and not very friendly,
> this one has just the right balance for me. Not having an electronics
> background I have learned  a lot. It reminds me of another forum I really
> like, DXlab where no question is to be slighted, and it is a very open
> learning format. I feel the same about this one. Nurturing a learning
> environment for all in the hobby who buy elecraft, to me, is
> important.There have been a few threads that should have been stopped and
> were. Being offended easily, being grumpy, or unwilling to entertain
> other's views is not needed. I find it very easy to delete posts I do not
> need. I hope you stay on because it sounds like you have experience and can
> help others who might be new or not have a technology background. Have a
> great day.
>
> Today is a good day to have a Great Day!
> 73       Ron Wilcox KF7ZN
> RN, BSN
> Secretary Utah DX Club
> ARRL & W5YI VE
> ARRL  Instructor
>
> On Sat, May 27, 2017 at 11:38 AM, Rose <elecraftcovers at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Actually Harry, how else would an owner of Elecraft equipment easily
> become
> > aware of what's available?
> >
> > No different than a vehicle vendor offering floor mats manufactured by
> > another vendor.
> >
> > Two after-market vendors come to mind that are Elecraft-specific, and are
> > occasionally "plugged" by list members.
> > I purchased their products after becoming aware of them on the list. Much
> > more efficient than a Google search.
> >
> > FWIW ...
> >
> > K0PP
> > ______________________________________________________________
> > Elecraft mailing list
> > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
> > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
> > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> >
> > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net
> > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
> > Message delivered to rglogan73 at gmail.com
> >
> ______________________________________________________________
> Elecraft mailing list
> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
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>
-- 
Jim Sturges, N3SZ
Amateur Radio operators do it with frequency.

From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Sat May 27 14:39:02 2017
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sat, 27 May 2017 14:39:02 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 vfo knob
In-Reply-To: <534VeAsqU7984S01.1495909066@web01.cms.usa.net>
References: <534VeAsqU7984S01.1495909066@web01.cms.usa.net>
Message-ID: <87182e4a-5df9-fd02-01b7-3d10ccfcc1aa@embarqmail.com>

Anthony,

I suspect you have the 'new' knob.  The one I am referring to is the 
same one used on the KX3 and has a rubber ring.

The knob previously used on the K2 has become unavailable.

If so, contact support and request 2 additional felt washers and stack them.
I have not yet had a chance to check out a K2 with the new encoder and 
that new knob.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 5/27/2017 2:17 PM, Anthony Clare wrote:
> Hello:
> 
> I am well into the assembly of K2 #7734 and ran into a snag. The vfo knob will
> not come close enough to the felt washer to create any friction. I cannot see
> where I would have done anything wrong during assembly.
> 
> Otherwise, the new encoder feels really good. I just need to stop the
> freewheeling of the knob when I let go of it. I have some ideas in my head,
> but I wanted to see what you guys have done first.
> 
> Any ideas?
> 
> Anthony
> n3kcb
> 
> ______________________________________________________________
> Elecraft mailing list
> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> 
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> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
> Message delivered to donwilh at embarqmail.com
> 

From kstover at ac0h.net  Sat May 27 14:39:30 2017
From: kstover at ac0h.net (Kevin Stover, AC0H)
Date: Sat, 27 May 2017 13:39:30 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] List overload - Additional
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	<CAK+fsRV9DX5bixsdAu3XSv8TJA7vmBcfjzFQAYHp35SOzcipxg@mail.gmail.com>
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	<CAK+fsRX=yVJE-3ciOoHNHo-2+AZtxF+8dvwGOhUEF17362Es0A@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAK+fsRXBMGJieT6voC8OF990=zrzB15APQYwZJSk+X8aW39cmg@mail.gmail.com>
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	<CABVxxD2=9MUuzcgOyQq45Ju+r2s9pqOxcrM7fZ5Dn_Z-PSYoLA@mail.gmail.com>
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On 5/27/2017 12:53 PM, Ron Wilcox wrote:
> Nurturing a learning environment for all in the hobby who buy elecraft, to me, is
> important.There have been a few threads that should have been stopped and
> were. 

Define learning environment. The Internet is a terrible place to "learn" 
anything. It's 90% advertisement, 5% porn, and 5% information, three 
fourths of which is just plain wrong.

>Being offended easily, being grumpy, or unwilling to entertain
> other's views is not needed.

Thanks Mom.
I am not offended easily. I am Grumpy, I've earned it. I do not suffer 
fools well, especially those who haven't taken the time to at least skim 
the manual and those people stick out like a putrefied thumb.

I do entertain others views. Many of them are so tragically wrong they 
can't be classified as anything other than entertainment.

There is no guarantee in the US Constitution of never being offended, 
even if some are trying to weasel one in there by hook or by crook. It's 
knife that cuts both ways.


>I find it very easy to delete posts I do not
> need. 

Ditto.


> 

-- 
R. Kevin Stover    AC0H
FISTS #11993
SKCC #215
NAQCC #3441
ARRL

From ghyoungman at gmail.com  Sat May 27 14:51:48 2017
From: ghyoungman at gmail.com (GRANT YOUNGMAN)
Date: Sat, 27 May 2017 14:51:48 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] List overload - It's actually not good for
 Elecraft's business.
In-Reply-To: <a1e66909-2f31-5f02-f3ad-de962213e67a@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com>
References: <36937bfb4d1ea5efbb88ca951fef05bd.squirrel@www11.qth.com>
	<72bb555040374aee8971713ea8894e7c@Server.thorntonmostullaw.com>
	<463335534.1309694.1495898608264@mail.yahoo.com>
	<CAD4CdTNRyuXRDKeKOAakn7OR4WG=ufmWaMHB154uZ6p+DYkq-Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<a1e66909-2f31-5f02-f3ad-de962213e67a@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com>
Message-ID: <1C17EBAB-E257-4ED5-BE00-6197CF7AD3E8@gmail.com>

Currently, the only ?list overload? is now the multiple threads on list overload ?. something like a self-fulfilling prophecy.

Grant NQ5T
K3 #2091, KX3 #8342




From mtkoszew at gmail.com  Sat May 27 14:55:13 2017
From: mtkoszew at gmail.com (Marty Koszewski)
Date: Sat, 27 May 2017 14:55:13 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S - no output power from 14.180 - 14.220
Message-ID: <FF4BAF5F-781F-40FF-AEA6-926930B2BC50@gmail.com>

I just received my K3s back from service (IMD updated TX boards).   There is no output power on 20M from 14.180-14.220.  All other bands  and the rest of the 20M band appears to be ok (regardless of mode selected).

Is there a setting that I missed?  What would cause this odd behavior.   I hope I don?t have to send it back for another 6 weeks to get additional service.

Thanks.

73,
Marty - N1VH


From doug at ellmore.net  Sat May 27 15:10:31 2017
From: doug at ellmore.net (Doug Ellmore)
Date: Sat, 27 May 2017 15:10:31 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 with other Radios
Message-ID: <CANAn7wyR=m466TmSoeUX8UeQJc+r=wM1-PUcmf_gt19N5SCC3g@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Trevor,

I am beta testing a software suite that will work with an SDRPlay attached
to the IF output of recent model Yaesu Rigs like the FT5000DX rigs.  I will
forward your contact info to the developer.

73

Doug

NA1DX


----------------------------------------------------------------------

Message: 1
Date: Sat, 27 May 2017 07:44:11 +0100
From: Trevor Clapp <ldz at chopcat.co.uk>
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 with other Radios
Message-ID: <29EA4E71-CA9A-48DF-9A4A-22EDA77EF1B7 at chopcat.co.uk>
Content-Type: text/plain;       charset=utf-8

I have a P3 for both my K3S and another for a FT5000.

With the 5000 you only get tracking mode and of course no integration of
the point and shoot features....however it is the most straightforward and
best panadapter solution i have tried or seen for the 5000.  Particularly
as I am mac based which counts out lots of the computer based options.
I love it


(And sorry not sure how to include the post trail in my reply as i am
replying from the daily summary)

M?TDZ
2E?LDZ
Trevor Clapp

-- 
Doug Ellmore, Sr.
doug at ellmore.net

From edauer at law.du.edu  Sat May 27 15:32:54 2017
From: edauer at law.du.edu (Dauer, Edward)
Date: Sat, 27 May 2017 19:32:54 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Lots of Great DX
Message-ID: <237BEE96-FADF-49A2-A3C6-85C068F7BC9F@law.du.edu>

20 has been hot since the contest opened last night ? at one point, to Europe, Asiatic Russia, New Zealand, Mariana Islands and Cyprus all within about fifteen minutes.

Sitting here ten miles west of the continental divide ? the nearest town in fact is called Divide ? I have more than static crashes.  I have had to shut down three times today, so far, due to nearby lightning storms, with dark clouds still rolling in.  I suspect much of the plains east of here and the central Midwest is in for bad stuff later today.  Be careful out there.

Ted, KN1CBR 
    
    ------------------------------
    
    Message: 22
    Date: Sat, 27 May 2017 13:08:56 -0500 (CDT)
    From: EUGENE GABRY <n9tf at comcast.net>
    To: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>, Barry
    	<k3ndm at comcast.net>
    Subject: Re: [Elecraft] CQ WPX CW contest going on right now, through
    	tomorrow; lots of great DX!
    Message-ID: <1648416512.567213.1495908536387 at connect.xfinity.com>
    Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
    
    Lots of lightning static here in Northern IL on 80 last night. I did hear several EU stations on cqing though, but they never heard me. CS2C was really loud. I' am running Qrp SB on 80m (K3s). My antenna is a 40/80 short Dipole made by Hy-Power Antenna company. The Apex is only 35 sloping down to 15' at the ends. I'll be on again tonight Barry. Maybe we will make a QSO. Worked a lot of 3's last night! Hopefully static crashes will be less, but doubtful. Looks like another storm system just out to my SW heading in just in time for night hours :(
    
    
    73 Gene, N9TF
    
 


From k3ndm at comcast.net  Sat May 27 15:47:09 2017
From: k3ndm at comcast.net (BARRY LAZAR)
Date: Sat, 27 May 2017 15:47:09 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] CQ WPX CW contest going on right now, through
 tomorrow; lots of great DX!
Message-ID: <64e45623-076c-4e5d-a04c-0e82851f1bb5@localhost>

Gene,
FB on the setup. I heard and worked a few Europeans, to include CS2C; he got my #1. But, there just didn't seem like there were that many stations total on 80, and I quit at 0300.

Yep. There was a lot of noise here in Maryland on the band. But, what's a little noise in a contest?

I'm running a K3s at 100 Watts. The antenna is an inverted L fed at the center, about 55' up a tree. The other half slopes down to about 40 feet. Each leg is 61' long, and I use ladder line to feed it. It works great with no ground on 80-30 meters. But, if there are few stations on, the score will not be great. I'm watching 80 now and will stay on until I fully run out of steam.

73,
Barry
K3NDM

Sent from XFINITY Connect Mobile App

-----Original Message-----

From: n9tf at comcast.net
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net,k3ndm at comcast.net
Cc:
Sent: 2017-05-27 2:08:57 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] CQ WPX CW contest going on right now, through tomorrow; lots of great DX!

Lots of lightning static here in Northern IL on 80 last night. I did hear several EU stations on cqing though, but they never heard me. CS2C was really loud. I' am running Qrp SB on 80m (K3s). My antenna is a 40/80 short Dipole made by Hy-Power Antenna company. The Apex is only 35 sloping down to 15' at the ends. I'll be on again tonight Barry. Maybe we will make a QSO. Worked a lot of 3's last night! Hopefully static crashes will be less, but doubtful. Looks like another storm system just out to my SW heading in just in time for night hours :(

73 Gene, N9TF

>
> On May 27, 2017 at 11:13 AM Barry <k3ndm at comcast.net> wrote:
>
>
> Wayne,
> I've been running 80 only with my center fed inverted L. I've
> managed to worked some of Europe and South America as well as the usual
> US and Canadians. However, the population of contesters on 80 appears to
> be much lower than on 40 and 20. And, that's unfortunate as 80 seems to
> be open also.
>
>
> 73,
> Barry
> K3NDM
>
>
> -
>


From k3ndm at comcast.net  Sat May 27 16:01:33 2017
From: k3ndm at comcast.net (Barry)
Date: Sat, 27 May 2017 20:01:33 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] CQ WPX CW contest going on right now, through
 tomorrow; lots of great DX!
In-Reply-To: <64e45623-076c-4e5d-a04c-0e82851f1bb5@localhost>
References: <64e45623-076c-4e5d-a04c-0e82851f1bb5@localhost>
Message-ID: <emcf98cf7b-223b-4073-9786-0cb59207d02d@desktop-s741h4i>

I forgot. Just so everyone doesn't think I gone around the bend, I'm 
trying to finish up 5 band DXCC and only need to fill in on 80. I wanna 
do it with 100 Watts and wire antennas.

73,
Barry
K3NDM

------ Original Message ------
From: "BARRY LAZAR" <k3ndm at comcast.net>
To: n9tf at comcast.net; elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Sent: 5/27/2017 3:47:09 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] CQ WPX CW contest going on right now, through 
tomorrow; lots of great DX!

>Gene,
>FB on the setup. I heard and worked a few Europeans, to include CS2C; 
>he got my #1. But, there just didn't seem like there were that many 
>stations total on 80, and I quit at 0300.
>
>Yep. There was a lot of noise here in Maryland on the band. But, what's 
>a little noise in a contest?
>
>I'm running a K3s at 100 Watts. The antenna is an inverted L fed at the 
>center, about 55' up a tree. The other half slopes down to about 40 
>feet. Each leg is 61' long, and I use ladder line to feed it. It works 
>great with no ground on 80-30 meters. But, if there are few stations 
>on, the score will not be great. I'm watching 80 now and will stay on 
>until I fully run out of steam.
>
>73,
>Barry
>K3NDM
>
>Sent from XFINITY Connect Mobile App
>
>-----Original Message-----
>
>From: n9tf at comcast.net
>To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net,k3ndm at comcast.net
>Cc:
>Sent: 2017-05-27 2:08:57 PM
>Subject: Re: [Elecraft] CQ WPX CW contest going on right now, through 
>tomorrow; lots of great DX!
>
>Lots of lightning static here in Northern IL on 80 last night. I did 
>hear several EU stations on cqing though, but they never heard me. CS2C 
>was really loud. I' am running Qrp SB on 80m (K3s). My antenna is a 
>40/80 short Dipole made by Hy-Power Antenna company. The Apex is only 
>35 sloping down to 15' at the ends. I'll be on again tonight Barry. 
>Maybe we will make a QSO. Worked a lot of 3's last night! Hopefully 
>static crashes will be less, but doubtful. Looks like another storm 
>system just out to my SW heading in just in time for night hours :(
>
>73 Gene, N9TF
>
>>
>>  On May 27, 2017 at 11:13 AM Barry <k3ndm at comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>  Wayne,
>>  I've been running 80 only with my center fed inverted L. I've
>>  managed to worked some of Europe and South America as well as the 
>>usual
>>  US and Canadians. However, the population of contesters on 80 appears 
>>to
>>  be much lower than on 40 and 20. And, that's unfortunate as 80 seems 
>>to
>>  be open also.
>>
>>
>>  73,
>>  Barry
>>  K3NDM
>>
>>
>>  -
>>
>
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From cbjesseeNH at comcast.net  Sat May 27 16:03:38 2017
From: cbjesseeNH at comcast.net (MaverickNH)
Date: Sat, 27 May 2017 13:03:38 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] [K3S] JT65-HF Beginner
In-Reply-To: <33bba73e-faf3-8469-f575-e30f43e5712b@subich.com>
References: <1495894678724-7631145.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<591b2329-3461-eb59-c3d1-05cb5699b546@embarqmail.com>
	<1495898852887-7631149.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<33bba73e-faf3-8469-f575-e30f43e5712b@subich.com>
Message-ID: <1495915418133-7631172.post@n2.nabble.com>

I'll take the advice and use WSJT-X JT65/JT9. I have it up and running on RX
and have to read up before I toss a TX out there. Thanks!

Bret/N4SRN



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From dave at nk7z.net  Sat May 27 16:22:28 2017
From: dave at nk7z.net (Dave Cole)
Date: Sat, 27 May 2017 13:22:28 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] List overload - It's actually not good for
 Elecraft's business.
In-Reply-To: <463335534.1309694.1495898608264@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <36937bfb4d1ea5efbb88ca951fef05bd.squirrel@www11.qth.com>
	<72bb555040374aee8971713ea8894e7c@Server.thorntonmostullaw.com>
	<463335534.1309694.1495898608264@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <34e0e828-c5b5-6d26-999f-e91ad02aa9e4@nk7z.net>

I have to agree with Harry here...  All interesting subjects for the 
most part, but this is an Elecraft list.  Talking about antenna because 
they plug into an Elecraft product is stretching it a bit to call it 
Elecraft related...

Some of the subjects have gotten even further off topic...  It would 
help us folks that are here for Elecraft information to add "OT", (Off 
Topic), to stuff that is not directly related to Elecraft...

73s and thanks,
Dave
NK7Z
http://www.nk7z.net

On 05/27/2017 08:23 AM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote:
> The list is pretty much turning into a captive audience for some tohawk their wares and for others it has become a bit of a soap boxdroning on about off topic subjects for far longer than they need to be.
> It's one thing to post a short for sale and respond off list for a personal sale.
> But some selling commercially are using this list as a captive audience.
> (I tend to view them pretty much the same as I do any other spammer.)
> What has happened with me before (and about to do the same) is I just unsubscribefrom the list completely and only very occasionally visit the Elecraft web page.
> Sadly that inadvertently turns into me just taking my business elsewhere.
> When I'm looking for a project or a new toy Elecraft falls into being
> just one more face in the crowd instead of being at the top of the list.
> So I wind up spending my money elsewhere and then when I finallydo look at Elecrafts page and see a new toy I don't buy it becauseI've already gotten a new toy from another vendor.
>
> ______________________________________________________________
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From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Sat May 27 16:37:13 2017
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Sat, 27 May 2017 13:37:13 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] [K3S] JT65-HF Beginner
In-Reply-To: <1495894678724-7631145.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1495894678724-7631145.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <025fc0bf-9743-40b7-c496-e2fb45aeb731@audiosystemsgroup.com>

I've been using JT modes for about six years. You should ONLY use 
WSJT-X, which is the software developed under the supervision of WSJT 
inventor (and Nobel laureate) K1JT. All other versions are derived from 
his earlier work, and most are unauthorized.  His software is the best.

https://physics.princeton.edu/pulsar/k1jt/wsjtx.html

73, Jim K9YC

On Sat,5/27/2017 7:17 AM, MaverickNH wrote:
> I'm coming to JT65-HF as a beginner, looking to setup and use it with my K3S,
> and have a few questions. Note I have HRD installed as well.
>
> 1. Should I start with the original V1.0.93 or the HB9HQX V4.9.4?
> 2. PTT via CAT command or PTT Port to use K3S sound card?
>
> Just to start...
>
> Bret/N4SRN
>
>
>
> --
> View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3S-JT65-HF-Beginner-tp7631145.html
> Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
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From va3mw at portcredit.net  Sat May 27 16:51:52 2017
From: va3mw at portcredit.net (Michael Walker)
Date: Sat, 27 May 2017 16:51:52 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] List overload - It's actually not good for
	Elecraft's business.
In-Reply-To: <34e0e828-c5b5-6d26-999f-e91ad02aa9e4@nk7z.net>
References: <36937bfb4d1ea5efbb88ca951fef05bd.squirrel@www11.qth.com>
	<72bb555040374aee8971713ea8894e7c@Server.thorntonmostullaw.com>
	<463335534.1309694.1495898608264@mail.yahoo.com>
	<34e0e828-c5b5-6d26-999f-e91ad02aa9e4@nk7z.net>
Message-ID: <CA+33ts6gd531o+xstLn0kv8CgYJ_u1-DjkA_fy0wU7quL27cPQ@mail.gmail.com>

I'm not saying anything.

de va3mw

On Sat, May 27, 2017 at 4:22 PM, Dave Cole <dave at nk7z.net> wrote:

> I have to agree with Harry here...  All interesting subjects for the most
> part, but this is an Elecraft list.  Talking about antenna because they
> plug into an Elecraft product is stretching it a bit to call it Elecraft
> related...
>
> Some of the subjects have gotten even further off topic...  It would help
> us folks that are here for Elecraft information to add "OT", (Off Topic),
> to stuff that is not directly related to Elecraft...
>
> 73s and thanks,
> Dave
> NK7Z
> http://www.nk7z.net
>
> On 05/27/2017 08:23 AM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote:
>
>> The list is pretty much turning into a captive audience for some tohawk
>> their wares and for others it has become a bit of a soap boxdroning on
>> about off topic subjects for far longer than they need to be.
>> It's one thing to post a short for sale and respond off list for a
>> personal sale.
>> But some selling commercially are using this list as a captive audience.
>> (I tend to view them pretty much the same as I do any other spammer.)
>> What has happened with me before (and about to do the same) is I just
>> unsubscribefrom the list completely and only very occasionally visit the
>> Elecraft web page.
>> Sadly that inadvertently turns into me just taking my business elsewhere.
>> When I'm looking for a project or a new toy Elecraft falls into being
>> just one more face in the crowd instead of being at the top of the list.
>> So I wind up spending my money elsewhere and then when I finallydo look
>> at Elecrafts page and see a new toy I don't buy it becauseI've already
>> gotten a new toy from another vendor.
>>
>> ______________________________________________________________
>> Elecraft mailing list
>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>>
>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net
>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
>> Message delivered to dave at nk7z.net
>>
>> ______________________________________________________________
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>

From dave at nk7z.net  Sat May 27 16:55:54 2017
From: dave at nk7z.net (Dave Cole)
Date: Sat, 27 May 2017 13:55:54 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] List overload - It's actually not good for
 Elecraft's business.
In-Reply-To: <CA+33ts6gd531o+xstLn0kv8CgYJ_u1-DjkA_fy0wU7quL27cPQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <36937bfb4d1ea5efbb88ca951fef05bd.squirrel@www11.qth.com>
	<72bb555040374aee8971713ea8894e7c@Server.thorntonmostullaw.com>
	<463335534.1309694.1495898608264@mail.yahoo.com>
	<34e0e828-c5b5-6d26-999f-e91ad02aa9e4@nk7z.net>
	<CA+33ts6gd531o+xstLn0kv8CgYJ_u1-DjkA_fy0wU7quL27cPQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <bd0a1edf-cd83-4c9a-ea84-1d41eb3c298a@nk7z.net>

Let me clarify my post...  I agree with Harry in that there are a lot of 
off topic discussions.  The Elecraft related stuff, like covers, 
accessories, which were designed for Elecraft products, etc., are not 
the issue for me.

73s and thanks,
Dave
NK7Z
http://www.nk7z.net

On 05/27/2017 01:51 PM, Michael Walker wrote:
> I'm not saying anything.
>
> de va3mw
>
> On Sat, May 27, 2017 at 4:22 PM, Dave Cole <dave at nk7z.net
> <mailto:dave at nk7z.net>> wrote:
>
>     I have to agree with Harry here...  All interesting subjects for the
>     most part, but this is an Elecraft list.  Talking about antenna
>     because they plug into an Elecraft product is stretching it a bit to
>     call it Elecraft related...
>
>     Some of the subjects have gotten even further off topic...  It would
>     help us folks that are here for Elecraft information to add "OT",
>     (Off Topic), to stuff that is not directly related to Elecraft...
>
>     73s and thanks,
>     Dave
>     NK7Z
>     http://www.nk7z.net
>
>     On 05/27/2017 08:23 AM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote:
>
>         The list is pretty much turning into a captive audience for some
>         tohawk their wares and for others it has become a bit of a soap
>         boxdroning on about off topic subjects for far longer than they
>         need to be.
>         It's one thing to post a short for sale and respond off list for
>         a personal sale.
>         But some selling commercially are using this list as a captive
>         audience.
>         (I tend to view them pretty much the same as I do any other
>         spammer.)
>         What has happened with me before (and about to do the same) is I
>         just unsubscribefrom the list completely and only very
>         occasionally visit the Elecraft web page.
>         Sadly that inadvertently turns into me just taking my business
>         elsewhere.
>         When I'm looking for a project or a new toy Elecraft falls into
>         being
>         just one more face in the crowd instead of being at the top of
>         the list.
>         So I wind up spending my money elsewhere and then when I
>         finallydo look at Elecrafts page and see a new toy I don't buy
>         it becauseI've already gotten a new toy from another vendor.
>
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From me at mathewc.com  Sat May 27 17:13:33 2017
From: me at mathewc.com (Mathew Copeland)
Date: Sat, 27 May 2017 17:13:33 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] WTB - KX3 / PX3
Message-ID: <CAMzjpSLwV8KbB=BwVXO4s5mCZdCjwGtkTB5KgzaSyXGdsrD9bQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,

I'm new to the list and HAM radio and I'm looking for my first HF Radio.

I am interested in any KX3 setup, but it would be a bonus if it came with a
PX3.

Please let me know what you have. me at mathewc.com

Thanks!
-Mathew

KM4UXN

From mzilmer at roadrunner.com  Sat May 27 17:13:58 2017
From: mzilmer at roadrunner.com (Matt Zilmer)
Date: Sat, 27 May 2017 14:13:58 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 Battery Question
In-Reply-To: <F582E2B0-6FD1-4A06-A2D3-3E71906BF187@elecraft.com>
References: <b97e8b2a-a64f-b893-0e04-a596061f90e2@gmail.com>
	<35190EF1-30D6-4A5F-9F53-B47F3CD154BD@elecraft.com>
	<10074baf-a683-6efe-14f4-b2f542dcdfd6@gmail.com>
	<CAKXfWbQ1M2qS4_1CMeupU9GQ3JHXcgAsih=TKPDqOxc+iBVZ8A@mail.gmail.com>
	<F582E2B0-6FD1-4A06-A2D3-3E71906BF187@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <aa62737b-e7b5-c48f-c78a-2fc1970a84ac@roadrunner.com>

Someone mentioned Kapton tape earlier, to be used to insulate the
battery side of the PCBA.  Kapton tape is conductive and used mostly for
EMI shielding.  Putting it or other tapes (some electrical tapes) on the
the PCBA would probably change electrical characteristics - conduction
between unmasked vias/pads, etc.

I would avoid using Kapton if you want an insulator.

Just thought this might benefit someone later on.

73,

matt W6NIA


On 05/27/2017 10:42 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
> There are no components anywhere near the battery. The bottom of the RF board in this area was left completely clear specifically to avoid the need for any supplemental insulating material.
>
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR
>
>
>
>> On May 27, 2017, at 10:14 AM, Peter Pauly <ppauly at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I would have liked to see a big piece of kapton tape covering the board. Aren't the components ESD sensitive?
>>
>> On Sat, May 27, 2017 at 10:23 AM, Tim McDonough N9PUZ <tim.n9puz at gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 5/27/2017 12:14 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
>> I have a "new to me" KX2 along with the internal battery and charger. Inside the KX2 battery compartment, is there supposed to be any sort of insulating sheet or pad covering the circuit board?
>>
>> No insulating sheet is necessary. The battery is double shrink-wrapped, there are no parts on that area of the PC board, and there?s nothing sharp that could abrade the plastic covering. It?s all quite safe.
>>
>> There is of course a rubberized pad on the inside of the bottom cover. This creates high friction to keep the battery from moving around.
>>
>>
>> Very good. Great radio and I just didn't want to mess anything up.
>>
>> Thank you Wayne!
>>
>> 73,
>>
>> Tim N9PUZ
>>
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[Voignier]


From josh at voodoolab.com  Sat May 27 18:06:45 2017
From: josh at voodoolab.com (Josh)
Date: Sat, 27 May 2017 15:06:45 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 Battery Question
In-Reply-To: <aa62737b-e7b5-c48f-c78a-2fc1970a84ac@roadrunner.com>
References: <b97e8b2a-a64f-b893-0e04-a596061f90e2@gmail.com>
	<35190EF1-30D6-4A5F-9F53-B47F3CD154BD@elecraft.com>
	<10074baf-a683-6efe-14f4-b2f542dcdfd6@gmail.com>
	<CAKXfWbQ1M2qS4_1CMeupU9GQ3JHXcgAsih=TKPDqOxc+iBVZ8A@mail.gmail.com>
	<F582E2B0-6FD1-4A06-A2D3-3E71906BF187@elecraft.com>
	<aa62737b-e7b5-c48f-c78a-2fc1970a84ac@roadrunner.com>
Message-ID: <7FCB691F-33A5-4955-A01F-232679431F70@voodoolab.com>

You must be confusing Kapton with a different material. It has excellent dielectric properties, makes an excellent insulator, and is a pretty good thermal conductor. It's also inexpensive. It's lousy with abrasion. 

73,
Josh W6XU

Sent from my mobile device

> On May 27, 2017, at 2:13 PM, Matt Zilmer <mzilmer at roadrunner.com> wrote:
> 
> Someone mentioned Kapton tape earlier, to be used to insulate the
> battery side of the PCBA.  Kapton tape is conductive and used mostly for
> EMI shielding.  Putting it or other tapes (some electrical tapes) on the
> the PCBA would probably change electrical characteristics - conduction
> between unmasked vias/pads, etc.
> 
> I would avoid using Kapton if you want an insulator.
> 
> Just thought this might benefit someone later on.
> 
> 73,
> 
> matt W6NIA
>> 


From k9yeq at live.com  Sat May 27 18:03:39 2017
From: k9yeq at live.com (Bill Johnson)
Date: Sat, 27 May 2017 22:03:39 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] List overload - Additional
In-Reply-To: <CAK+fsRUmyLZOrMESU=804jKoEZGWk1TSZ1TY9sTV2PvWiY2jnA@mail.gmail.com>
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I think it best to respond to Harry directly, OFF LIST, as he has now created the situation he was complaining about.  I have directly responded to him, yet my response here has also extended the comments myself.  Besides, this is a job best done by Erick.

73,
Bill
K9YEQ

-----Original Message-----


From rv6amark at yahoo.com  Sat May 27 18:31:02 2017
From: rv6amark at yahoo.com (Mark Petiford)
Date: Sat, 27 May 2017 22:31:02 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 Battery Question
In-Reply-To: <aa62737b-e7b5-c48f-c78a-2fc1970a84ac@roadrunner.com>
References: <b97e8b2a-a64f-b893-0e04-a596061f90e2@gmail.com>
	<35190EF1-30D6-4A5F-9F53-B47F3CD154BD@elecraft.com>
	<10074baf-a683-6efe-14f4-b2f542dcdfd6@gmail.com>
	<CAKXfWbQ1M2qS4_1CMeupU9GQ3JHXcgAsih=TKPDqOxc+iBVZ8A@mail.gmail.com>
	<F582E2B0-6FD1-4A06-A2D3-3E71906BF187@elecraft.com>
	<aa62737b-e7b5-c48f-c78a-2fc1970a84ac@roadrunner.com>
Message-ID: <1827201992.1173423.1495924262381@mail.yahoo.com>

RE: Kapton tape


Matt,

Kapton is actually a pretty good insulator, but it is NOT a good material to prevent abrasion.? The aircraft industry tried to use it as wire insulation, and as an anti-abrasion wrap around entire wire bundles.? Unfortunately, some manufacturers jumped the gun and implemented it without testing, using "qualification by analysis" as their basis for using it.? I must admit that it SEEMS like it would do those jobs well.? 


It turns out that when we tested it, we found that it doesn't do well in a high humidity and high vibration environments, and doesn't withstand chaffing very well either.? We rejected its use, but not before we had wire harnesses already in production using Kapton insulated wires.? Needless to say, we had to rework those harnesses.? I don't know if the FAA issued an Airworthiness Directive against those aircraft that were delivered using Kapton insulation, but there was discussion of that

Mark,
KE6BB


      From: Matt Zilmer <mzilmer at roadrunner.com>
 To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net 
 Sent: Saturday, May 27, 2017 2:22 PM
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX2 Battery Question
   
Someone mentioned Kapton tape earlier, to be used to insulate the
battery side of the PCBA.? Kapton tape is conductive and used mostly for
EMI shielding.? Putting it or other tapes (some electrical tapes) on the
the PCBA would probably change electrical characteristics - conduction
between unmasked vias/pads, etc.

I would avoid using Kapton if you want an insulator.

Just thought this might benefit someone later on.

73,

matt W6NIA


On 05/27/2017 10:42 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
> There are no components anywhere near the battery. The bottom of the RF board in this area was left completely clear specifically to avoid the need for any supplemental insulating material.
>
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR
>
>
>
>> On May 27, 2017, at 10:14 AM, Peter Pauly <ppauly at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I would have liked to see a big piece of kapton tape covering the board. Aren't the components ESD sensitive?
>>
>> On Sat, May 27, 2017 at 10:23 AM, Tim McDonough N9PUZ <tim.n9puz at gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 5/27/2017 12:14 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
>> I have a "new to me" KX2 along with the internal battery and charger. Inside the KX2 battery compartment, is there supposed to be any sort of insulating sheet or pad covering the circuit board?
>>
>> No insulating sheet is necessary. The battery is double shrink-wrapped, there are no parts on that area of the PC board, and there?s nothing sharp that could abrade the plastic covering. It?s all quite safe.
>>
>> There is of course a rubberized pad on the inside of the bottom cover. This creates high friction to keep the battery from moving around.
>>
>>
>> Very good. Great radio and I just didn't want to mess anything up.
>>
>> Thank you Wayne!
>>
>> 73,
>>
>> Tim N9PUZ
>>
>> ______________________________________________________________
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From k9yeq at live.com  Sat May 27 18:32:05 2017
From: k9yeq at live.com (Bill Johnson)
Date: Sat, 27 May 2017 22:32:05 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] List overload - Additional
In-Reply-To: <RO1P152MB0907E0655C7447770B412E399CFD0@RO1P152MB0907.LAMP152.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
References: <CAK+fsRV4mcf6R-R0QTduMeFbtxhKVq_qBnwkTUY6Kg+1uhA2XA@mail.gmail.com>
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That would be better read as Eric.  :0-)

73,
Bill
K9YEQ

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Bill Johnson
Sent: Saturday, May 27, 2017 5:04 PM
To: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] List overload - Additional

I think it best to respond to Harry directly, OFF LIST, as he has now created the situation he was complaining about.  I have directly responded to him, yet my response here has also extended the comments myself.  Besides, this is a job best done by Erick.

73,
Bill
K9YEQ

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From mzilmer at roadrunner.com  Sat May 27 18:34:06 2017
From: mzilmer at roadrunner.com (Matt Zilmer)
Date: Sat, 27 May 2017 15:34:06 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 Battery Question
In-Reply-To: <1827201992.1173423.1495924262381@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <b97e8b2a-a64f-b893-0e04-a596061f90e2@gmail.com>
	<35190EF1-30D6-4A5F-9F53-B47F3CD154BD@elecraft.com>
	<10074baf-a683-6efe-14f4-b2f542dcdfd6@gmail.com>
	<CAKXfWbQ1M2qS4_1CMeupU9GQ3JHXcgAsih=TKPDqOxc+iBVZ8A@mail.gmail.com>
	<F582E2B0-6FD1-4A06-A2D3-3E71906BF187@elecraft.com>
	<aa62737b-e7b5-c48f-c78a-2fc1970a84ac@roadrunner.com>
	<1827201992.1173423.1495924262381@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <127424b0-916d-acd2-b441-bffe46614377@roadrunner.com>

I'll just reply with

https://www.kaptontape.com/Conductive_Tapes.php

I last used it in the IFE industry.  There may be more than one type,
but I'm not an expert at this.

73,

matt W6NIA


On 05/27/2017 03:31 PM, Mark Petiford wrote:
> RE: Kapton tape
>
>
> Matt,
>
>
> Kapton is actually a pretty good insulator, but it is NOT a good
> material to prevent abrasion.  The aircraft industry tried to use it
> as wire insulation, and as an anti-abrasion wrap around entire wire
> bundles.  Unfortunately, some manufacturers jumped the gun and
> implemented it without testing, using "qualification by analysis" as
> their basis for using it.  I must admit that it SEEMS like it would do
> those jobs well. 
>
>
> It turns out that when we tested it, we found that it doesn't do well
> in a high humidity and high vibration environments, and doesn't
> withstand chaffing very well either.  We rejected its use, but not
> before we had wire harnesses already in production using Kapton
> insulated wires.  Needless to say, we had to rework those harnesses. 
> I don't know if the FAA issued an Airworthiness Directive against
> those aircraft that were delivered using Kapton insulation, but there
> was discussion of that
>
>
> Mark,
>
> KE6BB
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* Matt Zilmer <mzilmer at roadrunner.com>
> *To:* elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> *Sent:* Saturday, May 27, 2017 2:22 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [Elecraft] KX2 Battery Question
>
> Someone mentioned Kapton tape earlier, to be used to insulate the
> battery side of the PCBA.  Kapton tape is conductive and used mostly for
> EMI shielding.  Putting it or other tapes (some electrical tapes) on the
> the PCBA would probably change electrical characteristics - conduction
> between unmasked vias/pads, etc.
>
> I would avoid using Kapton if you want an insulator.
>
> Just thought this might benefit someone later on.
>
> 73,
>
> matt W6NIA
>
>
> On 05/27/2017 10:42 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
> > There are no components anywhere near the battery. The bottom of the
> RF board in this area was left completely clear specifically to avoid
> the need for any supplemental insulating material.
> >
> > 73,
> > Wayne
> > N6KR
> >
> >
> >
> >> On May 27, 2017, at 10:14 AM, Peter Pauly <ppauly at gmail.com
> <mailto:ppauly at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >>
> >> I would have liked to see a big piece of kapton tape covering the
> board. Aren't the components ESD sensitive?
> >>
> >> On Sat, May 27, 2017 at 10:23 AM, Tim McDonough N9PUZ
> <tim.n9puz at gmail.com <mailto:tim.n9puz at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >> On 5/27/2017 12:14 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
> >> I have a "new to me" KX2 along with the internal battery and
> charger. Inside the KX2 battery compartment, is there supposed to be
> any sort of insulating sheet or pad covering the circuit board?
> >>
> >> No insulating sheet is necessary. The battery is double
> shrink-wrapped, there are no parts on that area of the PC board, and
> there?s nothing sharp that could abrade the plastic covering. It?s all
> quite safe.
> >>
> >> There is of course a rubberized pad on the inside of the bottom
> cover. This creates high friction to keep the battery from moving around.
> >>
> >>
> >> Very good. Great radio and I just didn't want to mess anything up.
> >>
> >> Thank you Wayne!
> >>
> >> 73,
> >>
> >> Tim N9PUZ
> >>
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From josh at voodoolab.com  Sat May 27 18:53:48 2017
From: josh at voodoolab.com (Josh)
Date: Sat, 27 May 2017 15:53:48 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 Battery Question
In-Reply-To: <127424b0-916d-acd2-b441-bffe46614377@roadrunner.com>
References: <b97e8b2a-a64f-b893-0e04-a596061f90e2@gmail.com>
	<35190EF1-30D6-4A5F-9F53-B47F3CD154BD@elecraft.com>
	<10074baf-a683-6efe-14f4-b2f542dcdfd6@gmail.com>
	<CAKXfWbQ1M2qS4_1CMeupU9GQ3JHXcgAsih=TKPDqOxc+iBVZ8A@mail.gmail.com>
	<F582E2B0-6FD1-4A06-A2D3-3E71906BF187@elecraft.com>
	<aa62737b-e7b5-c48f-c78a-2fc1970a84ac@roadrunner.com>
	<1827201992.1173423.1495924262381@mail.yahoo.com>
	<127424b0-916d-acd2-b441-bffe46614377@roadrunner.com>
Message-ID: <C0619893-C5E4-4358-995A-264409AE82DC@voodoolab.com>

Sorry, not Kapton. You're looking at conductive tape available from a web site called kaptontape.com, unrelated to the Dupont product.

This is Kapton tape from the same website:

https://www.kaptontape.com/1_Mil_Kapton_Tapes.php

73,
Josh W6XU

Sent from my mobile device

> On May 27, 2017, at 3:34 PM, Matt Zilmer <mzilmer at roadrunner.com> wrote:
> 
> I'll just reply with
> 
> https://www.kaptontape.com/Conductive_Tapes.php
> 
> I last used it in the IFE industry.  There may be more than one type,
> but I'm not an expert at this.
> 
> 73,
> 
> matt W6NIA
> 
>> 

From rv6amark at yahoo.com  Sat May 27 18:57:30 2017
From: rv6amark at yahoo.com (Mark Petiford)
Date: Sat, 27 May 2017 22:57:30 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 Battery Question
In-Reply-To: <127424b0-916d-acd2-b441-bffe46614377@roadrunner.com>
References: <b97e8b2a-a64f-b893-0e04-a596061f90e2@gmail.com>
	<35190EF1-30D6-4A5F-9F53-B47F3CD154BD@elecraft.com>
	<10074baf-a683-6efe-14f4-b2f542dcdfd6@gmail.com>
	<CAKXfWbQ1M2qS4_1CMeupU9GQ3JHXcgAsih=TKPDqOxc+iBVZ8A@mail.gmail.com>
	<F582E2B0-6FD1-4A06-A2D3-3E71906BF187@elecraft.com>
	<aa62737b-e7b5-c48f-c78a-2fc1970a84ac@roadrunner.com>
	<1827201992.1173423.1495924262381@mail.yahoo.com>
	<127424b0-916d-acd2-b441-bffe46614377@roadrunner.com>
Message-ID: <1991854943.1170748.1495925850504@mail.yahoo.com>

Re:?? "I'll just reply with https://www.kaptontape.com/Conductive_Tapes.php ... There may be more than one type, but I'm not an expert at this." 

Matt,
That isn't really made from Kapton.? Take a look at the Technical Datasheet for that tape (link on upper right corner of the page).? It is "made from a copper foil with an acrylic conductive adhesive."? It is tricky because the company name is "KaptonTape.com", but that particular product has no Kapton in it.? 


Contrast that with a true Kapton tape from the same company:

https://www.kaptontape.com/1_Mil_Kapton_Tapes.php

Note that its datasheet states that it is a dielectric tape made from DuPont Kapton (r).? Its insulation resistance is stated to be 1,000,000 mega ohms for the 1 mil tape.


Mark,
KE6BB


 

   

From k6dgw at foothill.net  Sat May 27 19:01:47 2017
From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen)
Date: Sat, 27 May 2017 16:01:47 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 question
Message-ID: <88724180-19f5-803c-fe43-41d79267ba1e@foothill.net>

I normally run a 20 KHz span, fixed-tune [I'm pretty much CW only] on 
all bands.  When operating manually, I almost never have to reset the 
centering to put the edges on 20 KHz boundaries.  Playing around in 
WPXwith N1MM+, when I shut down and then turn the rig back on, it comes 
up on sort of random boundaries.  Anybody know:

1.  is this normal?

2.  should I be sending this on the N1MM+ list instead of here?

73,

Fred ("Skip") K6DGW
Sparks NV USA
Washoe County DM09dn



From pincon at erols.com  Sat May 27 19:02:30 2017
From: pincon at erols.com (Charlie T, K3ICH)
Date: Sat, 27 May 2017 19:02:30 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 Battery Question
In-Reply-To: <127424b0-916d-acd2-b441-bffe46614377@roadrunner.com>
References: <b97e8b2a-a64f-b893-0e04-a596061f90e2@gmail.com>	<35190EF1-30D6-4A5F-9F53-B47F3CD154BD@elecraft.com>	<10074baf-a683-6efe-14f4-b2f542dcdfd6@gmail.com>	<CAKXfWbQ1M2qS4_1CMeupU9GQ3JHXcgAsih=TKPDqOxc+iBVZ8A@mail.gmail.com>	<F582E2B0-6FD1-4A06-A2D3-3E71906BF187@elecraft.com>	<aa62737b-e7b5-c48f-c78a-2fc1970a84ac@roadrunner.com>	<1827201992.1173423.1495924262381@mail.yahoo.com>
	<127424b0-916d-acd2-b441-bffe46614377@roadrunner.com>
Message-ID: <008d01d2d73d$54c80fe0$fe582fa0$@erols.com>

That's like saying Mylar tape.  Mylar, or in this case Kapton is the base carrier.  The type of tape in the link has copper foil is attached to the Kapton base, so in that particular case, it IS conductive.
But the base material, Kapton like Mylar, is NOT conductive.

Kapton can have a carbon dust applied which IS conductive.  Mylar can have Iron Oxide applied, which is better known as recording tape.

The only use I've ever seen for Kapton tape is high temperature masking for example, in powder coating fusing around 400 degrees F.

73, Charlie k3ICH



To: Mark Petiford <rv6amark at yahoo.com>; elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX2 Battery Question

I'll just reply with

https://www.kaptontape.com/Conductive_Tapes.php

I last used it in the IFE industry.  There may be more than one type, but I'm not an expert at this.

73,

matt W6NIA


On 05/27/2017 03:31 PM, Mark Petiford wrote:
> RE: Kapton tape
>
>
> Matt,
>
>
> Kapton is actually a pretty good insulator, but it is NOT a good 
> material to prevent abrasion.  The aircraft industry tried to use it 
> as wire insulation, and as an anti-abrasion wrap around entire wire 
> bundles.  Unfortunately, some manufacturers jumped the gun and 
> implemented it without testing, using "qualification by analysis" as 
> their basis for using it.  I must admit that it SEEMS like it would do 
> those jobs well.
>
>
> It turns out that when we tested it, we found that it doesn't do well 
> in a high humidity and high vibration environments, and doesn't 
> withstand chaffing very well either.  We rejected its use, but not 
> before we had wire harnesses already in production using Kapton 
> insulated wires.  Needless to say, we had to rework those harnesses.
> I don't know if the FAA issued an Airworthiness Directive against 
> those aircraft that were delivered using Kapton insulation, but there 
> was discussion of that
>
>
> Mark,
>
> KE6BB
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> --
> *From:* Matt Zilmer <mzilmer at roadrunner.com>
> *To:* elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> *Sent:* Saturday, May 27, 2017 2:22 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [Elecraft] KX2 Battery Question
>
> Someone mentioned Kapton tape earlier, to be used to insulate the 
> battery side of the PCBA.  Kapton tape is conductive and used mostly 
> for EMI shielding.  Putting it or other tapes (some electrical tapes) 
> on the the PCBA would probably change electrical characteristics - 
> conduction between unmasked vias/pads, etc.
>
> I would avoid using Kapton if you want an insulator.
>
> Just thought this might benefit someone later on.
>
> 73,
>
> matt W6NIA
>
>
> On 05/27/2017 10:42 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
> > There are no components anywhere near the battery. The bottom of the
> RF board in this area was left completely clear specifically to avoid 
> the need for any supplemental insulating material.
> >
> > 73,
> > Wayne
> > N6KR
> >
> >
> >
> >> On May 27, 2017, at 10:14 AM, Peter Pauly <ppauly at gmail.com
> <mailto:ppauly at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >>
> >> I would have liked to see a big piece of kapton tape covering the
> board. Aren't the components ESD sensitive?
> >>
> >> On Sat, May 27, 2017 at 10:23 AM, Tim McDonough N9PUZ
> <tim.n9puz at gmail.com <mailto:tim.n9puz at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >> On 5/27/2017 12:14 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
> >> I have a "new to me" KX2 along with the internal battery and
> charger. Inside the KX2 battery compartment, is there supposed to be 
> any sort of insulating sheet or pad covering the circuit board?
> >>
> >> No insulating sheet is necessary. The battery is double
> shrink-wrapped, there are no parts on that area of the PC board, and 
> there?s nothing sharp that could abrade the plastic covering. It?s all 
> quite safe.
> >>
> >> There is of course a rubberized pad on the inside of the bottom
> cover. This creates high friction to keep the battery from moving around.
> >>
> >>
> >> Very good. Great radio and I just didn't want to mess anything up.
> >>
> >> Thank you Wayne!
> >>
> >> 73,
> >>
> >> Tim N9PUZ
> >>
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From guy.chabot at verizon.net  Sat May 27 19:07:32 2017
From: guy.chabot at verizon.net ((760) 902-3308)
Date: Sat, 27 May 2017 16:07:32 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Dayton Hamfest order
Message-ID: <6c96544a-f5a7-40c0-b0f0-361610339735@email.android.com>


From ka5y at yahoo.com  Sat May 27 19:24:37 2017
From: ka5y at yahoo.com (pkhjr)
Date: Sat, 27 May 2017 16:24:37 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] WTB - Speaker SP3
Message-ID: <1495927477654-7631190.post@n2.nabble.com>

Anyone got an SP-3 they would like to sell?  Let me know price and condition.

73 Tex
ka5y



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From guy.chabot at verizon.net  Sat May 27 19:53:21 2017
From: guy.chabot at verizon.net ((760) 902-3308)
Date: Sat, 27 May 2017 16:53:21 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Dayton Hamfest order
In-Reply-To: <6c96544a-f5a7-40c0-b0f0-361610339735@email.android.com>
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From ekacura at yahoo.com  Sat May 27 20:51:57 2017
From: ekacura at yahoo.com (Edward Kacura)
Date: Sat, 27 May 2017 20:51:57 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] CQ WPX CW contest going on right now, through
	tomorrow; lots of great DX!
Message-ID: <FC7C4BD9-B3E3-49AA-809F-1FF1B4DA66A2@yahoo.com>

Love these big contests, working lots of DX with the KX3, KX2 and KX1 with simple wire antennas !
Picking up new countries as I go along, love those Elecraft radios !!
Ed
N7EDK 
Florida 

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 27, 2017, at 03:00, Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> In case you didn?t know about it.... Check out the CW bands tonight and tomorrow. They?re on fire with stations operating in the ?WPX? contest. I?m hearing tons of DX stations on 20 and 40 m, and earlier today there was plenty of activity on 15 m as well. Full info at:
> 
>    http://www.cqwpx.com/rules.htm
> 
> You can operate casually in this contest if all you want to do is work some new countries or states, test your antennas, try a new rig, etc. The exchange is just a signal report and ?serial number? (incrementing QSO number, starting at #001). Some stations are already approaching 1000 contacts, and it just started earlier today.
> 
> Have fun!
> 
> Wayne
> N6KR
> 
> 


From w1hyv at arrl.net  Sat May 27 21:16:45 2017
From: w1hyv at arrl.net (Alan Price)
Date: Sun, 28 May 2017 01:16:45 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] KIO2 I/O Module for sale
Message-ID: <BY2PR01MB2686C4BB20F68FB0B7D8C19EEF20@BY2PR01MB268.prod.exchangelabs.com>

I have an unbuilt KIO2 module that I want to sell either in the kit form or built.  Let me know if you have any interest.


73

Alan

W1HYV

From n1al at sonic.net  Sat May 27 23:41:26 2017
From: n1al at sonic.net (Alan)
Date: Sat, 27 May 2017 20:41:26 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 question
In-Reply-To: <88724180-19f5-803c-fe43-41d79267ba1e@foothill.net>
References: <88724180-19f5-803c-fe43-41d79267ba1e@foothill.net>
Message-ID: <f41d7f46-52c3-a8f4-52c9-bcd0eba42c56@sonic.net>

If N1MM changes the K3 VFO frequency, even temporarily, it could cause 
the P3 to reset its center frequency.  To prevent that, you can set the 
P3's FixMode to "Static".

Alan N1AL


On 05/27/2017 04:01 PM, Fred Jensen wrote:
> I normally run a 20 KHz span, fixed-tune [I'm pretty much CW only] on 
> all bands.  When operating manually, I almost never have to reset the 
> centering to put the edges on 20 KHz boundaries. Playing around in 
> WPXwith N1MM+, when I shut down and then turn the rig back on, it 
> comes up on sort of random boundaries. Anybody know:
>
> 1.  is this normal?
>
> 2.  should I be sending this on the N1MM+ list instead of here?
>
> 73,
>
> Fred ("Skip") K6DGW
> Sparks NV USA
> Washoe County DM09dn
>
>
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From kevinr at coho.net  Sun May 28 01:39:00 2017
From: kevinr at coho.net (kevinr at coho.net)
Date: Sat, 27 May 2017 22:39:00 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Announcement
Message-ID: <d057e7c7-dc52-6278-f778-ec8f0aab664d@coho.net>

Good Evening,

It may just be summer.  The sun has come out for four days in a row.  
That's just not common unless it's summer in the PNW. The smell of the 
forest has changed too.  The spice of cedar and terpenes fill the air.  
Lots of new growth too.  The grouse have been pretty common this week 
with the local Pileated woodpeckers keeping up their racket and creating 
piles of tree chunks.

Because of the WPX contest there will be no twenty meter net tomorrow.  
But at 0000z the contest will be done so I can start the forty meter 
net.  There is not a lot of band noise but the contest is bringing out 
lots of stations.  They drift in and out with the QSB.  It's fun to hear 
all of the DX.

Please join us tomorrow on:

     7045 kHz at 0000z Monday (5 PM PDT Sunday)

     73,
         Kevin. KD5ONS

-


From richard at lamont.me.uk  Sun May 28 03:18:47 2017
From: richard at lamont.me.uk (Richard Lamont)
Date: Sun, 28 May 2017 08:18:47 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] [K3S] JT65-HF Beginner
In-Reply-To: <025fc0bf-9743-40b7-c496-e2fb45aeb731@audiosystemsgroup.com>
References: <1495894678724-7631145.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<025fc0bf-9743-40b7-c496-e2fb45aeb731@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Message-ID: <96edd08d-258e-033a-4af8-c83150d78c77@lamont.me.uk>

On 27/05/17 21:37, Jim Brown wrote:

> I've been using JT modes for about six years. You should ONLY use
> WSJT-X, which is the software developed under the supervision of WSJT
> inventor (and Nobel laureate) K1JT. All other versions are derived from
> his earlier work, and most are unauthorized.  His software is the best.

I agree with all of that, except the 'unauthorized' bit. All the
derivatives are authorized by K1JT's decision to release his source code
under the GNU General Public License (GPL).

His intention in doing so was presumably to attract developers to the
project rather than facilitate a plethora of half-baked forks.

These 'me too' knock-offs contain typically 99% source code from WSJT-X.
They variously offer (1) a reduced subset of functionality, (2) 'deep
decode' at the cost of more frequent erroneous decodes, (3)
inappropriate use of VHF-only features on HF, and (4) balkanized on-air
protocols with badly-thought-out and incompatible modifications.

As Jim said, you should ONLY use WSJT-X. It is developed by a team of
very clever people.

It's also worth following wsjtgroup at yahoogroups.com - it's an excellent
forum/list with frequent posts from the lead developers.

73,
Richard G4DYA



From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Sun May 28 03:38:51 2017
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Sun, 28 May 2017 00:38:51 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] [K3S] JT65-HF Beginner
In-Reply-To: <96edd08d-258e-033a-4af8-c83150d78c77@lamont.me.uk>
References: <1495894678724-7631145.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<025fc0bf-9743-40b7-c496-e2fb45aeb731@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<96edd08d-258e-033a-4af8-c83150d78c77@lamont.me.uk>
Message-ID: <3ce226d3-4b3f-232f-37c7-ecb596303a13@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On Sun,5/28/2017 12:18 AM, Richard Lamont wrote:
> I agree with all of that, except the 'unauthorized' bit.

Joe has posted on that topic. The executive summary is that he is not 
happy with the way in which some of those other developers have failed 
to respect his license.

73, Jim K9YC


From elecraft at g4fre.com  Sun May 28 04:10:32 2017
From: elecraft at g4fre.com (Dave)
Date: Sun, 28 May 2017 09:10:32 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 Battery Question
Message-ID: <000c01d2d789$e0e06760$a2a13620$@g4fre.com>

Don't tell the kapton that has been decoupling the 2kV on the anode in my
500W 1296MHz amplifier for 12 years this!
Dave
WW2R

Date: Sat, 27 May 2017 14:13:58 -0700
From: Matt Zilmer <mzilmer at roadrunner.com>
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX2 Battery Question
Message-ID: <aa62737b-e7b5-c48f-c78a-2fc1970a84ac at roadrunner.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8

I would avoid using Kapton if you want an insulator.

73,

matt W6NIA


On 05/27/2017 10:42 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote:


From mails at qrp4fun.de  Sun May 28 05:41:00 2017
From: mails at qrp4fun.de (Ingo Meyer, DK3RED)
Date: Sun, 28 May 2017 11:41:00 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] Legs
Message-ID: <f1e0a3db-a1d7-9d42-bdca-9922ef5ea3ae@qrp4fun.de>

Hello Elecrafters,


I have a little mechanical nuisance with the legs of my KX3.

If I carefully tighten the screws, after a while the right leg can no longer be folded out 
completely and the left leg wobbles.

Is there a solution to hold the underside of the transceiver in place AND to hold the 
legs, so i can move the legs evenly for a longer time?


73/72 de Ingo, DK3RED - Don't forget: the fun is the power!
www.qrp4fun.de - dk3red at qrp4fun.de

From gordon.lapoint at gmail.com  Sun May 28 06:42:41 2017
From: gordon.lapoint at gmail.com (Gordon LaPoint)
Date: Sun, 28 May 2017 06:42:41 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 not working
Message-ID: <b998c54e-80b7-ce67-1acb-d383b87bfc9b@gmail.com>

Hi,

      My KPA500 started acting up and now does not amplify at all, and 
the input SWR seems to bounce around.  I did hear what sounded like an 
arc (fairly loud bang, though it was the KAT500, not the KPA500)   The 
KAT500 is still working normal, but the KPA500 is bad, even into a dummy 
load with the KAT500 bypassed.

Any ideas? or just get an RMA and send it in?

Thanks,

Gordon - N1MGO


From kevin at k4vd.net  Sun May 28 07:55:24 2017
From: kevin at k4vd.net (Kevin - K4VD)
Date: Sun, 28 May 2017 07:55:24 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] [K3S] JT65-HF Beginner
In-Reply-To: <3ce226d3-4b3f-232f-37c7-ecb596303a13@audiosystemsgroup.com>
References: <1495894678724-7631145.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<025fc0bf-9743-40b7-c496-e2fb45aeb731@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<96edd08d-258e-033a-4af8-c83150d78c77@lamont.me.uk>
	<3ce226d3-4b3f-232f-37c7-ecb596303a13@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Message-ID: <CAFA9ujsz+dVpEUYqe2xr5ci6ZW3pZ+fRCFsZap8K12kf3aPVxg@mail.gmail.com>

I like WSJT-X but I use JTDX as much or more. It adds some interesting
features to the decoding. WSJT-X interface is a little more polished but
JTDX isn't bad.

Read about different versions and try them out before discounting them
because someone says so.

73,
Kev K4VD



On Sun, May 28, 2017 at 3:38 AM, Jim Brown <jim at audiosystemsgroup.com>
wrote:

> On Sun,5/28/2017 12:18 AM, Richard Lamont wrote:
>
>> I agree with all of that, except the 'unauthorized' bit.
>>
>
> Joe has posted on that topic. The executive summary is that he is not
> happy with the way in which some of those other developers have failed to
> respect his license.
>
> 73, Jim K9YC
>
>
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From g4gnx at g4gnx.com  Sun May 28 08:52:47 2017
From: g4gnx at g4gnx.com (G4GNX)
Date: Sun, 28 May 2017 13:52:47 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] KPAIO3 modification - E740287
In-Reply-To: <a1e66909-2f31-5f02-f3ad-de962213e67a@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com>
References: <36937bfb4d1ea5efbb88ca951fef05bd.squirrel@www11.qth.com><72bb555040374aee8971713ea8894e7c@Server.thorntonmostullaw.com><463335534.1309694.1495898608264@mail.yahoo.com><CAD4CdTNRyuXRDKeKOAakn7OR4WG=ufmWaMHB154uZ6p+DYkq-Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<a1e66909-2f31-5f02-f3ad-de962213e67a@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com>
Message-ID: <C2AD71FE7EA141FC8E1977D400649148@G4GNXLaptop>

I'm in the process of upgrading our club's K3, new synth, DSP and a stack of 
small mods.

I've come up against an issue that's causing me some confusion. The mod for 
the KPAIO3 consist of a small electrolytic capacitor soldered to two pins on 
the KPAIO3 module. I have two versions of instructions, one dated April 13 
2016 - Revision A and the other dated August 10 2016 - Revision B. I presume 
that Rev B supersedes Rev A, so I should follow Rev B?

The images on both sheets appear to show the KPAIO3A module, but describe 
the KPAIO3 module, so I presume for the purpose of modding they're the same, 
however the Negative lead of the new capacitor is shown going to different 
points on the module, depending which instruction sheet is viewed and 
looking at the trace layout on either, this doesn't make sense. Besides 
that, the trace layout on the module that I have is different to both of the 
paper descriptions.

Can anyone shed any light on this conundrum or know if any addendum has been 
issued?

73,

Alan. G4GNX


From kengkopp at gmail.com  Sun May 28 10:09:58 2017
From: kengkopp at gmail.com (Ken G Kopp)
Date: Sun, 28 May 2017 08:09:58 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] Legs
In-Reply-To: <f1e0a3db-a1d7-9d42-bdca-9922ef5ea3ae@qrp4fun.de>
References: <f1e0a3db-a1d7-9d42-bdca-9922ef5ea3ae@qrp4fun.de>
Message-ID: <CAD4CdTNj2mDoGoYRjRyDk3BvEzSVtVLCNmHt-ihXwyWoXoK=HQ@mail.gmail.com>

Yes Ingo, you can use two washers on each leg's thumb-screw with the leg
sandwiched between the washers.

At least this works for me.

73

Ken - K0PP

On May 28, 2017 03:41, "Ingo Meyer, DK3RED" <mails at qrp4fun.de> wrote:

> Hello Elecrafters,
>
>
> I have a little mechanical nuisance with the legs of my KX3.
>
> If I carefully tighten the screws, after a while the right leg can no
> longer be folded out completely and the left leg wobbles.
>
> Is there a solution to hold the underside of the transceiver in place AND
> to hold the legs, so i can move the legs evenly for a longer time?
>
>
> 73/72 de Ingo, DK3RED - Don't forget: the fun is the power!
> www.qrp4fun.de - dk3red at qrp4fun.de
> ______________________________________________________________
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From detrick at merzhaus.org  Sun May 28 11:14:53 2017
From: detrick at merzhaus.org (Detrick Merz)
Date: Sun, 28 May 2017 11:14:53 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 alc/cmp and swr/rf display
In-Reply-To: <CAJ-Q2SUJieiTV1bTcxst6cZKLDJMuDB-sKO477MKj6qt1Bs=fg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJ-Q2SXF=T6odk_1=tcM67+vyao3JXoRyy_=J0FBr7_602B7GA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAJ-Q2SVysdvB-gofBgVg3fb_NejcWv8DMYtzhp46sfJqjLVLPQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAJ-Q2SUZ2f4ugA-Rkf0kyfNDWGGsD__Sf2+rpx-U-UTEBYhCYA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAJ-Q2SUJieiTV1bTcxst6cZKLDJMuDB-sKO477MKj6qt1Bs=fg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJ-Q2SWP=TnSwLid10CfZtTHbffVKLjuMmTSBex0QES2j+B9nQ@mail.gmail.com>

Got two KX3 radios sitting here. Both in USB mode. On one, pressing the
keyer/mic button switches the display between swr/rf and cmp/alc. On the
other radio pressing keyer/mic it switches between showing mic gain and wpm
in vfo b, but always shows cmp/alc.

What are we missing?

73,

-detrick
KI4STU

From nr4c at widomaker.com  Sun May 28 11:30:54 2017
From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c)
Date: Sun, 28 May 2017 11:30:54 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 not working
In-Reply-To: <b998c54e-80b7-ce67-1acb-d383b87bfc9b@gmail.com>
References: <b998c54e-80b7-ce67-1acb-d383b87bfc9b@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F0BC51C0-FD7D-49BC-B3B9-962A76E4360C@widomaker.com>

Call Elecraft support!

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill


> On May 28, 2017, at 6:42 AM, Gordon LaPoint <gordon.lapoint at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
>     My KPA500 started acting up and now does not amplify at all, and the input SWR seems to bounce around.  I did hear what sounded like an arc (fairly loud bang, though it was the KAT500, not the KPA500)   The KAT500 is still working normal, but the KPA500 is bad, even into a dummy load with the KAT500 bypassed.
> 
> Any ideas? or just get an RMA and send it in?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Gordon - N1MGO
> 
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From kstover at ac0h.net  Sun May 28 11:32:55 2017
From: kstover at ac0h.net (Kevin Stover, AC0H)
Date: Sun, 28 May 2017 10:32:55 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] [K3S] JT65-HF Beginner
In-Reply-To: <3ce226d3-4b3f-232f-37c7-ecb596303a13@audiosystemsgroup.com>
References: <1495894678724-7631145.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<025fc0bf-9743-40b7-c496-e2fb45aeb731@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<96edd08d-258e-033a-4af8-c83150d78c77@lamont.me.uk>
	<3ce226d3-4b3f-232f-37c7-ecb596303a13@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Message-ID: <3cbafffe-ce46-3c01-1ee4-6a71483d62ac@ac0h.net>

Big point.

Once he releases the source code under GPL he has no recourse. These 
developers can take his source code, do exactly what they want to it, 
and don't even have to change the name of the application.

If the program was written with GPL tools, compilers, libraries, dll's, 
etc..., as WSJT-X was, he is required to release the code.

He can charge for bis version of the program and charge for support. He 
does have control over what makes it into his version. Other than that nope.

<sarcasm> It's about time Elecraft released their code under GPL so 
pimple faced kids living in Mom's basement with no visible means of 
support, can write "some really cool stuff" for the Elecraft products. 
</sarcasm>



On 5/28/2017 2:38 AM, Jim Brown wrote:
> On Sun,5/28/2017 12:18 AM, Richard Lamont wrote:
>> I agree with all of that, except the 'unauthorized' bit.
> 
> Joe has posted on that topic. The executive summary is that he is not 
> happy with the way in which some of those other developers have failed 
> to respect his license.
> 
> 73, Jim K9YC
> 
> ______________________________________________________________
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-- 
R. Kevin Stover    AC0H
FISTS #11993
SKCC #215
NAQCC #3441
ARRL

From nr4c at widomaker.com  Sun May 28 11:35:51 2017
From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c)
Date: Sun, 28 May 2017 11:35:51 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] Legs
In-Reply-To: <f1e0a3db-a1d7-9d42-bdca-9922ef5ea3ae@qrp4fun.de>
References: <f1e0a3db-a1d7-9d42-bdca-9922ef5ea3ae@qrp4fun.de>
Message-ID: <58748CC6-41E1-4792-8A1A-7B4272CCD795@widomaker.com>

You should tighten the screws after extending the legs. Get them tight. 

Never fold the legs without loosening the thumb screws first!  One leg will tighten more if don't loosen the screws first. 

This problem could have been eliminated if they had use a left hand thread on one of the legs. But, this would have been quite confusing go a lot of people especially trying to replace the screws after changing battery. 

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill


> On May 28, 2017, at 5:41 AM, Ingo Meyer, DK3RED <mails at qrp4fun.de> wrote:
> 
> Hello Elecrafters,
> 
> 
> I have a little mechanical nuisance with the legs of my KX3.
> 
> If I carefully tighten the screws, after a while the right leg can no longer be folded out completely and the left leg wobbles.
> 
> Is there a solution to hold the underside of the transceiver in place AND to hold the legs, so i can move the legs evenly for a longer time?
> 
> 
> 73/72 de Ingo, DK3RED - Don't forget: the fun is the power!
> www.qrp4fun.de - dk3red at qrp4fun.de
> ______________________________________________________________
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From graham.wood1 at mypostoffice.co.uk  Sun May 28 11:50:02 2017
From: graham.wood1 at mypostoffice.co.uk (G Wood)
Date: Sun, 28 May 2017 16:50:02 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] RFI Problems - HELP!
Message-ID: <651244023.3191996.1495986602823.JavaMail.zimbra@mypostoffice.co.uk>

Hello All.

My setup is, K3 (sn:5845), computer Athlon 2.5 GHz running WinXP, and homebrew logging program.
Antennas, 40m e/f inv vee tuned through ATU on all bands, and 20/15m Bi-square coax fed into shack.
Ground is 1/4 wave radials for each band, strapped together and connected to ATU, K3 grnd point and computer chassis.

Recently I've been plagued with RFI? problems. I originally ran Win98se with very few problems. I upgraded to WinXp, so I could run SDR progs that wont run on 98se. This is when the problems started. I had to rehash logging prog to get K3 Cat working. things seemed OK. I was sending a rprt on 80m CW, when suddenly calculator, win media player and internet explorer started. I was running 100w, reducing to 60w seemed to clear the problem.

I decided to rebuild my CW/FSK/PTT interface, the old one was done for IC7000 with audio isolating trannies etc. The new circuit uses 3 opto-couplers, built in a small diecast box, at the moment the input serial grnd goes to input of opto's and the K3 grnd goes to output of opto's, the box is connected to station grnd.

Question:
A) should the serial grnd go to the box.
B) should the K3 grnd go to the box.
C) or should they all be connected to the box. How does this affect the isolation of input/output of opto's?

Recently keying the rig from the computer, the K3 would lock up, if I keyed using paddle and K3 keyer no problem also discovered turning off K3 port on computer(no CAT to K3), no other changes, keyed OK.

The K3 serial lead used an old serial mouse lead all connections at both ends. I read Jim K9YC's article on RFI and followed his suggestion, made up a new lead using 2 twisted pairs for TxD & RxD, 1 lead from each to grnd. The first time I tried this running 10w the computer switched off and rebooted. With the K3 serial lead disconnected I could run 100w no problem.

I can run 100w on all bands, with full Cat to K3, on dummy load.

Everytime I try something new it gets worse, more questions than answers. I've hit a brick wall.

I know I need to gradually take things a step at a time, the question of the interface box is a start point.

I throw myself at the mercy of the reflector, hoping the guru's can provide an answer or at least point me in the right direction.

Thanks in advance

Gray G3VIP

From ron at cobi.biz  Sun May 28 12:37:26 2017
From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire)
Date: Sun, 28 May 2017 09:37:26 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KPAIO3 modification - E740287
In-Reply-To: <C2AD71FE7EA141FC8E1977D400649148@G4GNXLaptop>
References: <36937bfb4d1ea5efbb88ca951fef05bd.squirrel@www11.qth.com><72bb555040374aee8971713ea8894e7c@Server.thorntonmostullaw.com><463335534.1309694.1495898608264@mail.yahoo.com><CAD4CdTNRyuXRDKeKOAakn7OR4WG=ufmWaMHB154uZ6p+DYkq-Q@mail.gmail.com>	<a1e66909-2f31-5f02-f3ad-de962213e67a@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com>
	<C2AD71FE7EA141FC8E1977D400649148@G4GNXLaptop>
Message-ID: <000601d2d7d0$b0ff5aa0$12fe0fe0$@biz>

Hi Alan:

Use Rev B. Rev A of the instructions had an error that was corrected by an
errata. Apparently you don't have that errata. The change was subsequently
included in the Rev B printing. 

73, Ron AC7AC

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of G4GNX
Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2017 5:53 AM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] KPAIO3 modification - E740287

I'm in the process of upgrading our club's K3, new synth, DSP and a stack of
small mods.

I've come up against an issue that's causing me some confusion. The mod for
the KPAIO3 consist of a small electrolytic capacitor soldered to two pins on
the KPAIO3 module. I have two versions of instructions, one dated April 13
2016 - Revision A and the other dated August 10 2016 - Revision B. I presume
that Rev B supersedes Rev A, so I should follow Rev B?

The images on both sheets appear to show the KPAIO3A module, but describe
the KPAIO3 module, so I presume for the purpose of modding they're the same,
however the Negative lead of the new capacitor is shown going to different
points on the module, depending which instruction sheet is viewed and
looking at the trace layout on either, this doesn't make sense. Besides
that, the trace layout on the module that I have is different to both of the
paper descriptions.

Can anyone shed any light on this conundrum or know if any addendum has been
issued?

73,

Alan. G4GNX

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From xdavid at cis-broadband.com  Sun May 28 12:48:39 2017
From: xdavid at cis-broadband.com (David Gilbert)
Date: Sun, 28 May 2017 09:48:39 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] List overload - It's actually not good for
 Elecraft's business.
In-Reply-To: <463335534.1309694.1495898608264@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <36937bfb4d1ea5efbb88ca951fef05bd.squirrel@www11.qth.com>
	<72bb555040374aee8971713ea8894e7c@Server.thorntonmostullaw.com>
	<463335534.1309694.1495898608264@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <e825c5c9-b5f3-d657-9669-1e234640b947@cis-broadband.com>


note : personal reply

Wow ... somebody writing an off topic post (it had nothing to do with 
Elecraft products) to complain about off topic posts.  Talk about 
dripping with irony.

Besides, it is a trivial exercise to speed read through the topic 
headers and delete the messages you don't want to see.  I mean really 
trivial.  I can scan through well over 100 messages messages per day 
from various lists in about thirty seconds.  You spent enough time 
writing your post and reading the responses to it to cover about a 
month's equivalent.

Your post merely sounds petulant.  Grow up.



On 5/27/2017 8:23 AM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote:
> The list is pretty much turning into a captive audience for some tohawk their wares and for others it has become a bit of a soap boxdroning on about off topic subjects for far longer than they need to be.
> It's one thing to post a short for sale and respond off list for a personal sale.
> But some selling commercially are using this list as a captive audience.
> (I tend to view them pretty much the same as I do any other spammer.)
> What has happened with me before (and about to do the same) is I just unsubscribefrom the list completely and only very occasionally visit the Elecraft web page.
> Sadly that inadvertently turns into me just taking my business elsewhere.
> When I'm looking for a project or a new toy Elecraft falls into being
> just one more face in the crowd instead of being at the top of the list.
> So I wind up spending my money elsewhere and then when I finallydo look at Elecrafts page and see a new toy I don't buy it becauseI've already gotten a new toy from another vendor.
>
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From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Sun May 28 12:51:47 2017
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sun, 28 May 2017 12:51:47 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] RFI Problems - HELP!
In-Reply-To: <651244023.3191996.1495986602823.JavaMail.zimbra@mypostoffice.co.uk>
References: <651244023.3191996.1495986602823.JavaMail.zimbra@mypostoffice.co.uk>
Message-ID: <7d1dbd62-488b-0a2b-b4bc-463139937ef8@embarqmail.com>

Gray,

Does your term "serial grnd" mean the RS-232 Signal Ground?  If so, that 
should not be connected to the enclosure ground.

As far as the K3 grnd goes, "bond" the K3 enclosure to the outside of 
your interface box, and then on to the computer - follow the audio and 
serial lines with the bonding.

Bond the K3 also to your station ground.

You might also want to add good current mode chokes to your feedlines.
If your end-fed antenna is of the type which uses the coax shield as the 
'counterpoise', then either add a wire counterpoise that is 0.05 
wavelength long (at the lowest frequency of operation) at the junction 
of the radiator and coax and place the choke also at that junction - or 
- place the choke 0.05 wavelength from the junction.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 5/28/2017 11:50 AM, G Wood wrote:

> 
> I decided to rebuild my CW/FSK/PTT interface, the old one was done for IC7000 with audio isolating trannies etc. The new circuit uses 3 opto-couplers, built in a small diecast box, at the moment the input serial grnd goes to input of opto's and the K3 grnd goes to output of opto's, the box is connected to station grnd.
> 
> Question:
> A) should the serial grnd go to the box.
> B) should the K3 grnd go to the box.
> C) or should they all be connected to the box. How does this affect the isolation of input/output of opto's?
> 
> Recently keying the rig from the computer, the K3 would lock up, if I keyed using paddle and K3 keyer no problem also discovered turning off K3 port on computer(no CAT to K3), no other changes, keyed OK.
> 
> The K3 serial lead used an old serial mouse lead all connections at both ends. I read Jim K9YC's article on RFI and followed his suggestion, made up a new lead using 2 twisted pairs for TxD & RxD, 1 lead from each to grnd. The first time I tried this running 10w the computer switched off and rebooted. With the K3 serial lead disconnected I could run 100w no problem.
> 
> I can run 100w on all bands, with full Cat to K3, on dummy load.
> 
> Everytime I try something new it gets worse, more questions than answers. I've hit a brick wall.

From wa2si at arrl.net  Sun May 28 12:57:16 2017
From: wa2si at arrl.net (Bert Craig)
Date: Sun, 28 May 2017 12:57:16 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] List overload - It's actually not good for
 Elecraft's business.
In-Reply-To: <e825c5c9-b5f3-d657-9669-1e234640b947@cis-broadband.com>
References: <36937bfb4d1ea5efbb88ca951fef05bd.squirrel@www11.qth.com>
	<72bb555040374aee8971713ea8894e7c@Server.thorntonmostullaw.com>
	<463335534.1309694.1495898608264@mail.yahoo.com>
	<e825c5c9-b5f3-d657-9669-1e234640b947@cis-broadband.com>
Message-ID: <8c1ee627-b27b-40fb-988b-e4e9cc98d8a1.maildroid@localhost>

I agree 100%! It's really a form of bullying censorship. Learn how to set up rules in your e-mail client. Failing that, use the 'Del' key. Geez! 

Imagine coming across a QSO ota that we don't want to participate in. Rather than QSY, we ask the active participants to cease their QSO. Ick!

73 de Bert
WA2SI

Sent from my android device.

-----Original Message-----
From: David Gilbert <xdavid at cis-broadband.com>
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Sent: Sun, 28 May 2017 12:48
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] List overload - It's actually not good for Elecraft's business.


note : personal reply

Wow ... somebody writing an off topic post (it had nothing to do with 
Elecraft products) to complain about off topic posts.  Talk about 
dripping with irony.

Besides, it is a trivial exercise to speed read through the topic 
headers and delete the messages you don't want to see.  I mean really 
trivial.  I can scan through well over 100 messages messages per day 
from various lists in about thirty seconds.  You spent enough time 
writing your post and reading the responses to it to cover about a 
month's equivalent.

Your post merely sounds petulant.  Grow up.



On 5/27/2017 8:23 AM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote:
> The list is pretty much turning into a captive audience for some tohawk their wares and for others it has become a bit of a soap boxdroning on about off topic subjects for far longer than they need to be.
> It's one thing to post a short for sale and respond off list for a personal sale.
> But some selling commercially are using this list as a captive audience.
> (I tend to view them pretty much the same as I do any other spammer.)
> What has happened with me before (and about to do the same) is I just unsubscribefrom the list completely and only very occasionally visit the Elecraft web page.
> Sadly that inadvertently turns into me just taking my business elsewhere.
> When I'm looking for a project or a new toy Elecraft falls into being
> just one more face in the crowd instead of being at the top of the list.
> So I wind up spending my money elsewhere and then when I finallydo look at Elecrafts page and see a new toy I don't buy it becauseI've already gotten a new toy from another vendor.
>
> ______________________________________________________________
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From mike.ab3ap at gmail.com  Sun May 28 13:23:48 2017
From: mike.ab3ap at gmail.com (Mike Markowski)
Date: Sun, 28 May 2017 13:23:48 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] CP1 vs other directional coupler
Message-ID: <f1137513-f55d-42eb-c1bb-6ff5d33597fd@gmail.com>

I'd like to get a directional coupler to, among other things, monitor my 
transmit signal on a scope.

The Elecraft CP1 kit is priced well, but I'd want it in a metal box with 
panel mount connectors, SO-239 for the main RF path.  I'd also rather 
use 50 ohm terminators rather than switches, so at that point it 
probably makes sense to build my own.  Just curious what others have 
done and if there are recommendations for reasonably priced, 
commercially available directional couplers for HF at 100 W or more.

Tnx es 73,
Mike ab3ap

From KX2_KX3 at swsports.org  Sun May 28 13:50:13 2017
From: KX2_KX3 at swsports.org (Tom Francis, W1TEF)
Date: Sun, 28 May 2017 13:50:13 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KX2/3 Amplifiers
Message-ID: <40cb581f-45ef-8b58-2e2f-ff59405f725b@swsports.org>

Greetings,

I'm looking for a little practical advice about linear amplification for 
the KX2/3 (I have both).

Hardrock-50 or KXPA100.

Essentially, it would be used mobile, although taking it out the car and 
using it portable is
possible.

So any information from users of these two amps will be greatly 
appreciated.  Also, as the
Hardrock 50 is a kit, how hard is it to build for something with finger 
nephropathy?

Thanks for any info.

Very best regards,

Tom, W1TEF
Lexington, SC





From phystad at mac.com  Sun May 28 14:04:09 2017
From: phystad at mac.com (Phil Hystad)
Date: Sun, 28 May 2017 11:04:09 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KX2/3 Amplifiers
In-Reply-To: <40cb581f-45ef-8b58-2e2f-ff59405f725b@swsports.org>
References: <40cb581f-45ef-8b58-2e2f-ff59405f725b@swsports.org>
Message-ID: <2C7D1F01-DC2C-4150-ACFB-D6BFBAD0A037@mac.com>

I looked into that very question a few months ago (February)?

My comments:  

1.  I don?t think Hardrock-50 has an auto-tuner so in pricing comparison, compare with
a separate vendors auto-tuner (as good as Elecraft?s) if you are assuming buying the KXPA100 with
auto tuner.

2.  Hardrock-50 is half (or, less than half?) the output power of KXPA100 (of course, you know this).

3.  Include your own labor time in $ for building the kit?  I do this for everything I do to determine
if I want to do myself or pay to have it done.  For many of my projects, my time is a lot more valuable than
the cost of somebody else?s time.  For example, as a plumber my own labor costs are thousands of dollars
per hour.

Well, these are the three key items that I looked into in comparing leaving out the very likely quality
difference between a full soldering kit built by me versus a kit from Elecraft.

I chose the KXPA100+autotuner as a result of my evaluation.  

But, the rest of the story.

I didn?t buy the KXPA100.  My reason for 100 watts was to see about getting a 100-watt capable
backup rig and could also be used in portable operations (with adaquate DC power of course).  

I made a wild decision.  Instead of getting an amp for my KX3.  I sold my KX3!  In its place I
bought a new Icom IC-7300 and it is light-weight and could be portable (not mobile) as well.

But, I still loved QRP portable ops too so I bought a KX2 to replace my KX3.  I also sold other
equipment that was merely collecting dust to also put together the funds to buy the KX2 as
well as a second KAT500 to work with the IC-7300 (since the 7300s internal tuner is not good
enough for all of my antennas in use on all of my bands of interest).

Net cost was  minus $130.   That is, I had a net gain after buying the IC-7300, the KX2,
and the KAT500 by selling the KX3, and a mobile HF rig, a mobile VHF/UHF rig, and a R-75
receiver.

73, phil, K7PEH


> On May 28, 2017, at 10:50 AM, Tom Francis, W1TEF <KX2_KX3 at swsports.org> wrote:
> 
> Greetings,
> 
> I'm looking for a little practical advice about linear amplification for the KX2/3 (I have both).
> 
> Hardrock-50 or KXPA100.
> 
> Essentially, it would be used mobile, although taking it out the car and using it portable is
> possible.
> 
> So any information from users of these two amps will be greatly appreciated.  Also, as the
> Hardrock 50 is a kit, how hard is it to build for something with finger nephropathy?
> 
> Thanks for any info.
> 
> Very best regards,
> 
> Tom, W1TEF
> Lexington, SC
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ______________________________________________________________
> Elecraft mailing list
> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> 
> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net
> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
> Message delivered to phystad at mac.com


From KX2_KX3 at swsports.org  Sun May 28 14:05:21 2017
From: KX2_KX3 at swsports.org (Tom Francis, W1TEF)
Date: Sun, 28 May 2017 14:05:21 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KXPD2 Paddle
Message-ID: <f2d2c943-2ac7-0849-e36b-cba9741a09f4@swsports.org>

Greetings,

First, before I go any further, I have nothing but the highest regard 
for Elecraft's Customer
Support and Service.  I've had several issues with my KX2 that were due 
to operator error
and Elecraft has fixed my self-induced KX2 injuries quickly and 
efficiently. Plus, I've had
a couple of other dealings with Customer Service all outstanding.

However..... ;-)

I've been dealing with a KXPD2 paddle issue since I purchased my KX2 
last year. I've gone
through four of them all with the exact same problem.

To wit: After use, say half hour or so, the contact posts loosen up and 
the CW becomes
impossible.  I've tried everything I know how to do - Loc-Tite blue goo, 
used a mini-torque
wrench to set torque, pushed the envelope with tightening up the screws 
- the contact posts
loosen up.

I have a very light touch with my paddles with very close spacing as CW 
is my primary
mode of choice for 54 years.  So I don't think that its heavy tapping or 
wide spacing
that is causing the problem.  If I were to guess, I believe it is a 
dissimilar materials issue -
metal screws, plastic base, warm radio causing the plastic to expand 
JUST THAT LITTLE
BIT to loosen up the screws.

Now here's the thing - four paddles all having the same issue on the 
same radio with
the same operator seems to be indicative of a manufacturing problem.

Maybe it is peculiar to me - I'm not discounting that, but it seems 
unusual. What I'm
wondering is if anybody else who owns and uses these paddles have the 
same issue?

Thanks.

Very best regards,

Tom, W1TEF
Lexington, SC

From g4gnx at g4gnx.com  Sun May 28 14:16:30 2017
From: g4gnx at g4gnx.com (G4GNX)
Date: Sun, 28 May 2017 19:16:30 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] KPAIO3 modification - E740287
In-Reply-To: <000601d2d7d0$b0ff5aa0$12fe0fe0$@biz>
References: <36937bfb4d1ea5efbb88ca951fef05bd.squirrel@www11.qth.com><72bb555040374aee8971713ea8894e7c@Server.thorntonmostullaw.com><463335534.1309694.1495898608264@mail.yahoo.com><CAD4CdTNRyuXRDKeKOAakn7OR4WG=ufmWaMHB154uZ6p+DYkq-Q@mail.gmail.com>	<a1e66909-2f31-5f02-f3ad-de962213e67a@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com>
	<C2AD71FE7EA141FC8E1977D400649148@G4GNXLaptop>
	<000601d2d7d0$b0ff5aa0$12fe0fe0$@biz>
Message-ID: <1EED677B0DAE43F48D81041D2C99941A@G4GNXLaptop>

Hi Ron.

Thanks for the confirmation. I figured out that Rev A was a mistake, after 
looking at the fan connector and fan supply orientation. Had Rev A been used 
it wouldn't have been a disaster, but the mod would have had no effect, as 
it connected both ends of the capacitor to the positive fan supply! Oops! I 
haven't seen any errata but it doesn't matter now.

My KPAIO3 module isn't the same layout as the ones shown, but the actual 
connections are the same to the fans.

Well, I completed all of the mods, so now to put it all back together. <g>

73,

Alan. G4GNX

-----Original Message----- 
From: Ron D'Eau Claire
Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2017 5:37 PM
To: 'G4GNX' ; elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: RE: [Elecraft] KPAIO3 modification - E740287

Hi Alan:

Use Rev B. Rev A of the instructions had an error that was corrected by an
errata. Apparently you don't have that errata. The change was subsequently
included in the Rev B printing.

73, Ron AC7AC


From k6dgw at foothill.net  Sun May 28 14:19:32 2017
From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen)
Date: Sun, 28 May 2017 11:19:32 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 question
In-Reply-To: <f41d7f46-52c3-a8f4-52c9-bcd0eba42c56@sonic.net>
References: <88724180-19f5-803c-fe43-41d79267ba1e@foothill.net>
	<f41d7f46-52c3-a8f4-52c9-bcd0eba42c56@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <23745cd5-7f6e-5183-f92d-895eb5be2ff9@foothill.net>

Thanks Alan. I just verified that this happens only when I QSY by typing 
a frequency into the N1MM+ entry window.  Problem resolved.

73,

Fred ("Skip") K6DGW
Sparks NV USA
Washoe County DM09dn

On 5/27/2017 8:41 PM, Alan wrote:
> If N1MM changes the K3 VFO frequency, even temporarily, it could cause 
> the P3 to reset its center frequency.  To prevent that, you can set 
> the P3's FixMode to "Static".
>
> Alan N1AL
>


From KX2_KX3 at swsports.org  Sun May 28 14:44:53 2017
From: KX2_KX3 at swsports.org (Tom Francis, W1TEF)
Date: Sun, 28 May 2017 14:44:53 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KX2/3 Amplifiers
In-Reply-To: <2C7D1F01-DC2C-4150-ACFB-D6BFBAD0A037@mac.com>
References: <40cb581f-45ef-8b58-2e2f-ff59405f725b@swsports.org>
	<2C7D1F01-DC2C-4150-ACFB-D6BFBAD0A037@mac.com>
Message-ID: <fdba78ca-32dc-c029-cbf4-2bac48cd0725@swsports.org>

Phil,

The Hardrock 50 has an atu - I don't know if the toroids are pre-wound 
or not - if not, that's an
issue for me.

Actually, I'm kind of in the reverse situation - I want to keep my 
KX2/3, but get rid of my FT-450D
- which is a nice radio, but it's bigger than I can use mobile.

All suggestions are welcome and you certainly gave me something to think 
about.

Thanks.

Tom, W1TEF
Lexington, SC

On 5/28/2017 2:04 PM, Phil Hystad wrote:
> I looked into that very question a few months ago (February)?
>
> My comments:
>
> 1.  I don?t think Hardrock-50 has an auto-tuner so in pricing comparison, compare with
> a separate vendors auto-tuner (as good as Elecraft?s) if you are assuming buying the KXPA100 with
> auto tuner.
>
> 2.  Hardrock-50 is half (or, less than half?) the output power of KXPA100 (of course, you know this).
>
> 3.  Include your own labor time in $ for building the kit?  I do this for everything I do to determine
> if I want to do myself or pay to have it done.  For many of my projects, my time is a lot more valuable than
> the cost of somebody else?s time.  For example, as a plumber my own labor costs are thousands of dollars
> per hour.
>
> Well, these are the three key items that I looked into in comparing leaving out the very likely quality
> difference between a full soldering kit built by me versus a kit from Elecraft.
>
> I chose the KXPA100+autotuner as a result of my evaluation.
>
> But, the rest of the story.
>
> I didn?t buy the KXPA100.  My reason for 100 watts was to see about getting a 100-watt capable
> backup rig and could also be used in portable operations (with adaquate DC power of course).
>
> I made a wild decision.  Instead of getting an amp for my KX3.  I sold my KX3!  In its place I
> bought a new Icom IC-7300 and it is light-weight and could be portable (not mobile) as well.
>
> But, I still loved QRP portable ops too so I bought a KX2 to replace my KX3.  I also sold other
> equipment that was merely collecting dust to also put together the funds to buy the KX2 as
> well as a second KAT500 to work with the IC-7300 (since the 7300s internal tuner is not good
> enough for all of my antennas in use on all of my bands of interest).
>
> Net cost was  minus $130.   That is, I had a net gain after buying the IC-7300, the KX2,
> and the KAT500 by selling the KX3, and a mobile HF rig, a mobile VHF/UHF rig, and a R-75
> receiver.
>
> 73, phil, K7PEH
>
>
>> On May 28, 2017, at 10:50 AM, Tom Francis, W1TEF <KX2_KX3 at swsports.org> wrote:
>>
>> Greetings,
>>
>> I'm looking for a little practical advice about linear amplification for the KX2/3 (I have both).
>>
>> Hardrock-50 or KXPA100.
>>
>> Essentially, it would be used mobile, although taking it out the car and using it portable is
>> possible.
>>
>> So any information from users of these two amps will be greatly appreciated.  Also, as the
>> Hardrock 50 is a kit, how hard is it to build for something with finger nephropathy?
>>
>> Thanks for any info.
>>
>> Very best regards,
>>
>> Tom, W1TEF
>> Lexington, SC
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ______________________________________________________________
>> Elecraft mailing list
>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
>> Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>>
>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net
>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
>> Message delivered to phystad at mac.com
>


From 6146guy at gmail.com  Sun May 28 14:50:38 2017
From: 6146guy at gmail.com (David Gow)
Date: Sun, 28 May 2017 11:50:38 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] List overload - It's actually not good for
	Elecraft's business.
In-Reply-To: <8c1ee627-b27b-40fb-988b-e4e9cc98d8a1.maildroid@localhost>
References: <36937bfb4d1ea5efbb88ca951fef05bd.squirrel@www11.qth.com>
	<72bb555040374aee8971713ea8894e7c@Server.thorntonmostullaw.com>
	<463335534.1309694.1495898608264@mail.yahoo.com>
	<e825c5c9-b5f3-d657-9669-1e234640b947@cis-broadband.com>
	<8c1ee627-b27b-40fb-988b-e4e9cc98d8a1.maildroid@localhost>
Message-ID: <CA+1A67Tp8XL27utJz7Sb4Kdo6FfyQWNFUGuFknNs1+peTtS-jQ@mail.gmail.com>

As a relatively new owner of an Elecraft KX3  and all related accessories
this list has been of immense help to me.  It is far more interesting and
well behaved than some other ham lists I read.  When I did sell an Elecraft
manufactured accessory it sold in one hour.at my stated fair price  and I
felt good about not selling it on a n auction site.

73,  Dave W7VM

On Sun, May 28, 2017 at 9:57 AM, Bert Craig <wa2si at arrl.net> wrote:

> I agree 100%! It's really a form of bullying censorship. Learn how to set
> up rules in your e-mail client. Failing that, use the 'Del' key. Geez!
>
> Imagine coming across a QSO ota that we don't want to participate in.
> Rather than QSY, we ask the active participants to cease their QSO. Ick!
>
> 73 de Bert
> WA2SI
>
> Sent from my android device.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Gilbert <xdavid at cis-broadband.com>
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Sent: Sun, 28 May 2017 12:48
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] List overload - It's actually not good for
> Elecraft's business.
>
>
> note : personal reply
>
> Wow ... somebody writing an off topic post (it had nothing to do with
> Elecraft products) to complain about off topic posts.  Talk about
> dripping with irony.
>
> Besides, it is a trivial exercise to speed read through the topic
> headers and delete the messages you don't want to see.  I mean really
> trivial.  I can scan through well over 100 messages messages per day
> from various lists in about thirty seconds.  You spent enough time
> writing your post and reading the responses to it to cover about a
> month's equivalent.
>
> Your post merely sounds petulant.  Grow up.
>
>
>
> On 5/27/2017 8:23 AM, Harry Yingst via Elecraft wrote:
> > The list is pretty much turning into a captive audience for some tohawk
> their wares and for others it has become a bit of a soap boxdroning on
> about off topic subjects for far longer than they need to be.
> > It's one thing to post a short for sale and respond off list for a
> personal sale.
> > But some selling commercially are using this list as a captive audience.
> > (I tend to view them pretty much the same as I do any other spammer.)
> > What has happened with me before (and about to do the same) is I just
> unsubscribefrom the list completely and only very occasionally visit the
> Elecraft web page.
> > Sadly that inadvertently turns into me just taking my business elsewhere.
> > When I'm looking for a project or a new toy Elecraft falls into being
> > just one more face in the crowd instead of being at the top of the list.
> > So I wind up spending my money elsewhere and then when I finallydo look
> at Elecrafts page and see a new toy I don't buy it becauseI've already
> gotten a new toy from another vendor.
> >
> > ______________________________________________________________
> > Elecraft mailing list
> > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
> > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
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> > Message delivered to xdavid at cis-broadband.com
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From forums at david-woolley.me.uk  Sun May 28 14:53:21 2017
From: forums at david-woolley.me.uk (David Woolley)
Date: Sun, 28 May 2017 19:53:21 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] [K3S] JT65-HF Beginner
In-Reply-To: <3cbafffe-ce46-3c01-1ee4-6a71483d62ac@ac0h.net>
References: <1495894678724-7631145.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<025fc0bf-9743-40b7-c496-e2fb45aeb731@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<96edd08d-258e-033a-4af8-c83150d78c77@lamont.me.uk>
	<3ce226d3-4b3f-232f-37c7-ecb596303a13@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<3cbafffe-ce46-3c01-1ee4-6a71483d62ac@ac0h.net>
Message-ID: <85f38a56-d812-e1b4-d782-22fe0cf18e0e@david-woolley.me.uk>

Using a GPLed compiler and most of the GPL tools doesn't result in a 
requirement to licence under the GPL.  In particularly, gcc is often 
used to compile proprietary code.

Using GPL libraries does, except where those libraries implement 
functions that would normally be included with an operating system (e.g. 
the standard C library).

Some tools put a significant amount of template code into the output, 
but those are normally licensed under LGPL, rather than GPL.

-- 
David Woolley K2 06123

On 28/05/17 16:32, Kevin Stover, AC0H wrote:
> If the program was written with GPL tools, compilers, libraries, dll's,
> etc..., as WSJT-X was, he is required to release the code.


From k6dgw at foothill.net  Sun May 28 14:57:50 2017
From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen)
Date: Sun, 28 May 2017 11:57:50 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 question
In-Reply-To: <23745cd5-7f6e-5183-f92d-895eb5be2ff9@foothill.net>
References: <88724180-19f5-803c-fe43-41d79267ba1e@foothill.net>
	<f41d7f46-52c3-a8f4-52c9-bcd0eba42c56@sonic.net>
	<23745cd5-7f6e-5183-f92d-895eb5be2ff9@foothill.net>
Message-ID: <39b7be5c-fc17-ca1d-8632-fc60f0cd96ed@foothill.net>

To expand just a bit, when commanding a QSY from the N1MM+ entry window, 
the P3 seems to put that frequency in the center of the screen in 
fixed-tune mode placing the edges +/- 10 KHz from it. If I QSY to 
14050or 14070, which are the center of a 20 KHz boundary, the right and 
left edges of the screen remain on 20 KHz boundaries which is what I 
wanted.  I believe this is what Alan said.  You'd think I could have 
figured this out on my own. [:-)

73,

Fred ("Skip") K6DGW
Sparks NV USA
Washoe County DM09dn

On 5/28/2017 11:19 AM, Fred Jensen wrote:
> Thanks Alan. I just verified that this happens only when I QSY by 
> typing a frequency into the N1MM+ entry window.  Problem resolved.
>
> 73,
>
> Fred ("Skip") K6DGW
> Sparks NV USA
> Washoe County DM09dn
>
> On 5/27/2017 8:41 PM, Alan wrote:
>> If N1MM changes the K3 VFO frequency, even temporarily, it could 
>> cause the P3 to reset its center frequency.  To prevent that, you can 
>> set the P3's FixMode to "Static".
>>
>> Alan N1AL
>>
>


From edauer at law.du.edu  Sun May 28 15:36:10 2017
From: edauer at law.du.edu (Dauer, Edward)
Date: Sun, 28 May 2017 19:36:10 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] List Overload
Message-ID: <9B173674-1053-4478-964C-FAA92CDB592A@law.du.edu>


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 I believe both kinds of views are valid, this coming from a confessed but unabashed occasional OT-committer.  For some the reflector is a source of technical information and exchange about Elecraft products.  Period.  Nothing wrong with that.  For others ? like me ? it?s a conversation place for people with a core common interest who eventually come to know each other, some of whom they?ve met personally, some of whom they?ve corresponded with off-list, some of whom are only in the willing or unwilling audience.  I like to think of it as the e-mail equivalent of an OTA net among people who get together now and then.  If that view is also valid, which I believe it is, then there ought to be some license for OT conversation among friends ? within reason and not too far from the core common ground.  In addition, if we were absolutely strict about the Elecraft-only technical limit, there would be no room for talk of antennas, baluns (or chokes as the case may be), lightning protection, propagation, power supplies, batteries other than those in Elecraft gear, or a google of other useful and instructional topics.  As a participant I try to keep my OT departures brief, infrequent, and close to the core, with follow-up off list if anyone wants to do that.  I would miss a great deal of the camaraderie intrinsic to amateur radio if we couldn?t occasionally draw outside the lines.  Something like telling off-color jokes during the monthly poker game.

Ted, KN1CBR

 
    Message: 22
    Date: Sun, 28 May 2017 09:48:39 -0700
    From: David Gilbert <xdavid at cis-broadband.com>
    To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
    Subject: Re: [Elecraft] List overload - It's actually not good for
    	Elecraft's business.
    Message-ID: <e825c5c9-b5f3-d657-9669-1e234640b947 at cis-broadband.com>
    Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
    
    
    note : personal reply
    
    Wow ... somebody writing an off topic post (it had nothing to do with 
    Elecraft products) to complain about off topic posts.  Talk about 
    dripping with irony.
    
    Besides, it is a trivial exercise to speed read through the topic 
    headers and delete the messages you don't want to see.  I mean really 
    trivial.  I can scan through well over 100 messages messages per day 
    from various lists in about thirty seconds.  You spent enough time 
    writing your post and reading the responses to it to cover about a 
    month's equivalent.
 


From wunder at wunderwood.org  Sun May 28 15:38:23 2017
From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood)
Date: Sun, 28 May 2017 12:38:23 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KX2/3 Amplifiers
In-Reply-To: <fdba78ca-32dc-c029-cbf4-2bac48cd0725@swsports.org>
References: <40cb581f-45ef-8b58-2e2f-ff59405f725b@swsports.org>
	<2C7D1F01-DC2C-4150-ACFB-D6BFBAD0A037@mac.com>
	<fdba78ca-32dc-c029-cbf4-2bac48cd0725@swsports.org>
Message-ID: <F3B07BAF-0B91-451F-BCF2-7ED383F6D6EA@wunderwood.org>

When I priced them, the Hardrock was just about half the cost for half the power. I got the KXPA100.

The KXPA100 kit is assembly, no soldering. One of the design goals was for installation as a remote PA for mobile use. Install the KXPA next to the antenna and keep the KX3 by you.

wunder
K6WRU
Walter Underwood
CM87wj
http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog)

> On May 28, 2017, at 11:44 AM, Tom Francis, W1TEF <KX2_KX3 at swsports.org> wrote:
> 
> Phil,
> 
> The Hardrock 50 has an atu - I don't know if the toroids are pre-wound or not - if not, that's an
> issue for me.
> 
> Actually, I'm kind of in the reverse situation - I want to keep my KX2/3, but get rid of my FT-450D
> - which is a nice radio, but it's bigger than I can use mobile.
> 
> All suggestions are welcome and you certainly gave me something to think about.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Tom, W1TEF
> Lexington, SC
> 
> On 5/28/2017 2:04 PM, Phil Hystad wrote:
>> I looked into that very question a few months ago (February)?
>> 
>> My comments:
>> 
>> 1.  I don?t think Hardrock-50 has an auto-tuner so in pricing comparison, compare with
>> a separate vendors auto-tuner (as good as Elecraft?s) if you are assuming buying the KXPA100 with
>> auto tuner.
>> 
>> 2.  Hardrock-50 is half (or, less than half?) the output power of KXPA100 (of course, you know this).
>> 
>> 3.  Include your own labor time in $ for building the kit?  I do this for everything I do to determine
>> if I want to do myself or pay to have it done.  For many of my projects, my time is a lot more valuable than
>> the cost of somebody else?s time.  For example, as a plumber my own labor costs are thousands of dollars
>> per hour.
>> 
>> Well, these are the three key items that I looked into in comparing leaving out the very likely quality
>> difference between a full soldering kit built by me versus a kit from Elecraft.
>> 
>> I chose the KXPA100+autotuner as a result of my evaluation.
>> 
>> But, the rest of the story.
>> 
>> I didn?t buy the KXPA100.  My reason for 100 watts was to see about getting a 100-watt capable
>> backup rig and could also be used in portable operations (with adaquate DC power of course).
>> 
>> I made a wild decision.  Instead of getting an amp for my KX3.  I sold my KX3!  In its place I
>> bought a new Icom IC-7300 and it is light-weight and could be portable (not mobile) as well.
>> 
>> But, I still loved QRP portable ops too so I bought a KX2 to replace my KX3.  I also sold other
>> equipment that was merely collecting dust to also put together the funds to buy the KX2 as
>> well as a second KAT500 to work with the IC-7300 (since the 7300s internal tuner is not good
>> enough for all of my antennas in use on all of my bands of interest).
>> 
>> Net cost was  minus $130.   That is, I had a net gain after buying the IC-7300, the KX2,
>> and the KAT500 by selling the KX3, and a mobile HF rig, a mobile VHF/UHF rig, and a R-75
>> receiver.
>> 
>> 73, phil, K7PEH
>> 
>> 
>>> On May 28, 2017, at 10:50 AM, Tom Francis, W1TEF <KX2_KX3 at swsports.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Greetings,
>>> 
>>> I'm looking for a little practical advice about linear amplification for the KX2/3 (I have both).
>>> 
>>> Hardrock-50 or KXPA100.
>>> 
>>> Essentially, it would be used mobile, although taking it out the car and using it portable is
>>> possible.
>>> 
>>> So any information from users of these two amps will be greatly appreciated.  Also, as the
>>> Hardrock 50 is a kit, how hard is it to build for something with finger nephropathy?
>>> 
>>> Thanks for any info.
>>> 
>>> Very best regards,
>>> 
>>> Tom, W1TEF
>>> Lexington, SC
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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From k9ztv at socket.net  Sun May 28 15:59:45 2017
From: k9ztv at socket.net (K9ZTV)
Date: Sun, 28 May 2017 14:59:45 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] KXPD2 Paddle
In-Reply-To: <f2d2c943-2ac7-0849-e36b-cba9741a09f4@swsports.org>
References: <f2d2c943-2ac7-0849-e36b-cba9741a09f4@swsports.org>
Message-ID: <23E0D342-1AA4-4337-BB3F-75D197943271@socket.net>

Tom ...

I feel your pain but not your conclusion.  For me the post-loosening problem was solved with Loctite Blue.  Since that didn't work for you, Loctite Red is the next logical step.  If that doesn't work, JB Weld most certainly will.  Just a drop of either adhesive coating the entire shank of the screw(s) will absolutely make that a permanent cure.  Carefully done, the fix is invisible.  Why Elecraft doesn't do it as a routine step in the manufacturing process I don't know. 

The KXPD2 is an excellent mini-paddle once the posts are permanently anchored. 

73,

Kent  K9ZTV



> On May 28, 2017, at 1:05 PM, Tom Francis, W1TEF <KX2_KX3 at swsports.org> wrote:
> 
> Greetings,
> 
> First, before I go any further, I have nothing but the highest regard for Elecraft's Customer
> Support and Service.  I've had several issues with my KX2 that were due to operator error
> and Elecraft has fixed my self-induced KX2 injuries quickly and efficiently. Plus, I've had
> a couple of other dealings with Customer Service all outstanding.
> 
> However..... ;-)
> 
> I've been dealing with a KXPD2 paddle issue since I purchased my KX2 last year. I've gone
> through four of them all with the exact same problem.
> 
> To wit: After use, say half hour or so, the contact posts loosen up and the CW becomes
> impossible.  I've tried everything I know how to do - Loc-Tite blue goo, used a mini-torque
> wrench to set torque, pushed the envelope with tightening up the screws - the contact posts
> loosen up.
> 
> I have a very light touch with my paddles with very close spacing as CW is my primary
> mode of choice for 54 years.  So I don't think that its heavy tapping or wide spacing
> that is causing the problem.  If I were to guess, I believe it is a dissimilar materials issue -
> metal screws, plastic base, warm radio causing the plastic to expand JUST THAT LITTLE
> BIT to loosen up the screws.
> 
> Now here's the thing - four paddles all having the same issue on the same radio with
> the same operator seems to be indicative of a manufacturing problem.
> 
> Maybe it is peculiar to me - I'm not discounting that, but it seems unusual. What I'm
> wondering is if anybody else who owns and uses these paddles have the same issue?
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Very best regards,
> 
> Tom, W1TEF
> Lexington, SC


From morrellm at att.net  Sun May 28 18:29:53 2017
From: morrellm at att.net (Mike Morrell)
Date: Sun, 28 May 2017 18:29:53 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 Hard reset question
Message-ID: <004501d2d801$ede9dfe0$c9bd9fa0$@att.net>

Folks:


Can a "hard reset"  be performed on  the KX2? 

I cannot seem to find that  command in the manual.

Thanks,

Mike, K8KE


From ka5y at yahoo.com  Sun May 28 19:15:07 2017
From: ka5y at yahoo.com (pkhjr)
Date: Sun, 28 May 2017 16:15:07 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] KX2/3 Amplifiers
In-Reply-To: <40cb581f-45ef-8b58-2e2f-ff59405f725b@swsports.org>
References: <40cb581f-45ef-8b58-2e2f-ff59405f725b@swsports.org>
Message-ID: <1496013307001-7631225.post@n2.nabble.com>

Just ran across this the other day.  Anyone know have any experience with
this amp?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Xiegu-XPA125-QRP-ALC-Antenna-Tuner-Function-125W-HF-Ham-Radio-Power-Amplifier-US-/132206081348?hash=item1ec818b544:g:cVQAAOSw9OFZKOkD
 
73 Tex
ka5y



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From k6dgw at foothill.net  Sun May 28 19:48:07 2017
From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen)
Date: Sun, 28 May 2017 16:48:07 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KX2/3 Amplifiers
In-Reply-To: <1496013307001-7631225.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <40cb581f-45ef-8b58-2e2f-ff59405f725b@swsports.org>
	<1496013307001-7631225.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <6229b805-7687-9e3c-2e30-c1c82bff1369@foothill.net>

It's Chinese, YMMV. The BOGO offer seems strange for ham radio 
equipment.  Of course, you could always put two into a combiner and get 
250 W from a 10 W exciter. [:-)  It's in the US, no specslisted, 
5W-->125 W is 13.97 dB gain.  Doesn't say it runs on nominal 12VDC.  I 
have no experience and don't intend to get any -- Caveat Emptor.

73,

Fred ("Skip") K6DGW
Sparks NV USA
Washoe County DM09dn

On 5/28/2017 4:15 PM, pkhjr via Elecraft wrote:
> Just ran across this the other day.  Anyone know have any experience with
> this amp?
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Xiegu-XPA125-QRP-ALC-Antenna-Tuner-Function-125W-HF-Ham-Radio-Power-Amplifier-US-/132206081348?hash=item1ec818b544:g:cVQAAOSw9OFZKOkD
>   
> 73 Tex
> ka5y
>
>
>
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From wa2eio at optonline.net  Sun May 28 20:08:13 2017
From: wa2eio at optonline.net (Ron Manfredi)
Date: Sun, 28 May 2017 20:08:13 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KX2/3 Amplifiers
In-Reply-To: <1496013307001-7631225.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <40cb581f-45ef-8b58-2e2f-ff59405f725b@swsports.org>
	<1496013307001-7631225.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <2f88a223-d6e0-33ee-c884-a1f83ace0cdc@optonline.net>

The writer of the manual has a sense of humor.   You can download the 
manual, and on the last page of the "Troubleshooting" section the last 
problem listed is:  "Smoke comes from unit," and the solution, "Replace 
the smoke...only kidding, return to dealer."




On 5/28/2017 7:15 PM, pkhjr via Elecraft wrote:
> Just ran across this the other day.  Anyone know have any experience with
> this amp?
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Xiegu-XPA125-QRP-ALC-Antenna-Tuner-Function-125W-HF-Ham-Radio-Power-Amplifier-US-/132206081348?hash=item1ec818b544:g:cVQAAOSw9OFZKOkD
>   
> 73 Tex
> ka5y
>
>
>
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From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Sun May 28 20:12:41 2017
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sun, 28 May 2017 20:12:41 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 Hard reset question
In-Reply-To: <004501d2d801$ede9dfe0$c9bd9fa0$@att.net>
References: <004501d2d801$ede9dfe0$c9bd9fa0$@att.net>
Message-ID: <93b39b8a-1362-d2dd-ee97-2f1e9912a22e@embarqmail.com>

Mike,

Look in the manual at Reset to Factory Defaults - or EEINIT.
Caution, it will wipe out configuration data, so be sure you have a 
saved configuration file from a time all was OK so you can restore it 
after the reset.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 5/28/2017 6:29 PM, Mike Morrell wrote:
> Folks:
> 
> 
> Can a "hard reset"  be performed on  the KX2?
> 
> I cannot seem to find that  command in the manual.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Mike, K8KE
> 
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From KD8RQE at aol.com  Sun May 28 20:39:26 2017
From: KD8RQE at aol.com (KD8RQE at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 28 May 2017 20:39:26 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] CP1 vs other directional coupler
Message-ID: <1e83d6.76ad39b5.465cc7be@aol.com>

These guys have several. Well built. Not cheap.  http://www.preciserf.com
 
Mike KD8RQE
 
 
In a message dated 5/28/2017 1:25:49 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
mike.ab3ap at gmail.com writes:

I'd like  to get a directional coupler to, among other things, monitor my 
transmit  signal on a scope.

The Elecraft CP1 kit is priced well, but I'd want it  in a metal box with 
panel mount connectors, SO-239 for the main RF  path.  I'd also rather 
use 50 ohm terminators rather than switches,  so at that point it 
probably makes sense to build my own.  Just  curious what others have 
done and if there are recommendations for  reasonably priced, 
commercially available directional couplers for HF at  100 W or more.

Tnx es 73,
Mike  ab3ap
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From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Sun May 28 20:41:16 2017
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sun, 28 May 2017 20:41:16 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] List Overload
In-Reply-To: <9B173674-1053-4478-964C-FAA92CDB592A@law.du.edu>
References: <9B173674-1053-4478-964C-FAA92CDB592A@law.du.edu>
Message-ID: <9683b5b0-5bbf-ad87-cf31-f98a1960dff8@embarqmail.com>

Ted and all,

I am in agreement with you.  There is benefit in many OT conversations, 
and thankfully Eric allows it.  We learn many things about ham radio in 
general as well as how it applies to Elecraft radios (even if it is only 
about operating/conditions at the time).  There are many OT discussions 
about things related to the hamshack in general including "I have 
RF-in-the-shack" that relate to our use of Elecraft gear.
Discussions of that nature are for the edification of all Elecraft users.

The problem is that there are many "me too" responses, or the 
conversation becomes opinionated or personal.

We can all learn a bit from those OT discussions, but be cautious not to 
overdo it else Eric will shut it down.

If the discussion turns to specifics of one or two persons, take it 
off-list.  Or if the subject is not of interest to the general ham 
community, take it off-list.

The list rules allows individuals to offer "for sale" equipment, but 
those offering commercial services are limited to once a month.  I think 
that is adequate to "get the word out" without disrupting the list.

If you have read this far, I would encourage you to add "OT" to the 
subject line if you make a post that is really off-topic - even if you 
are replying to another post.

73,
Don W3FPR

73,
Don W3FPR

On 5/28/2017 3:36 PM, Dauer, Edward wrote:
> 
>      ------------------------------
>   I believe both kinds of views are valid, this coming from a confessed but unabashed occasional OT-committer.  For some the reflector is a source of technical information and exchange about Elecraft products.  Period.  Nothing wrong with that.  For others ? like me ? it?s a conversation place for people with a core common interest who eventually come to know each other, some of whom they?ve met personally, some of whom they?ve corresponded with off-list, some of whom are only in the willing or unwilling audience.  I like to think of it as the e-mail equivalent of an OTA net among people who get together now and then.  If that view is also valid, which I believe it is, then there ought to be some license for OT conversation among friends ? within reason and not too far from the core common ground.  In addition, if we were absolutely strict about the Elecraft-only technical limit, there would be no room for talk of antennas, baluns (or chokes as the case may be), lightning protection, propagation, power supplies, batteries other than those in Elecraft gear, or a google of other useful and instructional topics.  As a participant I try to keep my OT departures brief, infrequent, and close to the core, with follow-up off list if anyone wants to do that.  I would miss a great deal of the camaraderie intrinsic to amateur radio if we couldn?t occasionally draw outside the lines.  Something like telling off-color jokes during the monthly poker game.
> 

From va3mw at portcredit.net  Sun May 28 21:14:04 2017
From: va3mw at portcredit.net (Michael Walker)
Date: Sun, 28 May 2017 21:14:04 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] CP1 vs other directional coupler
In-Reply-To: <1e83d6.76ad39b5.465cc7be@aol.com>
References: <1e83d6.76ad39b5.465cc7be@aol.com>
Message-ID: <CA+33ts6gPtGpo1J-C4z7n180AuROCY0umu0=nS=tu5XKJi7AGg@mail.gmail.com>

Would this work?  It comes with N connectors

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mini-Circuits-ZFDC-20-4-N-Coaxial-Directional-Coupler-1-1000MHz-/263005332237?hash=item3d3c56e30d:g:YS4AAOSwK6RZKIqL

Mike va3mw

On Sun, May 28, 2017 at 8:39 PM, Mike via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> wrote:

> These guys have several. Well built. Not cheap.  http://www.preciserf.com
>
> Mike KD8RQE
>
>
> In a message dated 5/28/2017 1:25:49 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> mike.ab3ap at gmail.com writes:
>
> I'd like  to get a directional coupler to, among other things, monitor my
> transmit  signal on a scope.
>
> The Elecraft CP1 kit is priced well, but I'd want it  in a metal box with
> panel mount connectors, SO-239 for the main RF  path.  I'd also rather
> use 50 ohm terminators rather than switches,  so at that point it
> probably makes sense to build my own.  Just  curious what others have
> done and if there are recommendations for  reasonably priced,
> commercially available directional couplers for HF at  100 W or more.
>
> Tnx es 73,
> Mike  ab3ap
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From jackbrindle at me.com  Sun May 28 22:14:51 2017
From: jackbrindle at me.com (Jack Brindle)
Date: Sun, 28 May 2017 19:14:51 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] CP1 vs other directional coupler
In-Reply-To: <f1137513-f55d-42eb-c1bb-6ff5d33597fd@gmail.com>
References: <f1137513-f55d-42eb-c1bb-6ff5d33597fd@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0C3E4646-367A-4DC2-813F-0D33484D95E7@me.com>

It would be pretty easy to modify the CP-1 to use SO239 connectors and mount it in a box. I would do it while building the board - drill four holes in the corners for mounting, mount the SO-239s on the box and wire them to the board. But, I would also keep the BNC connectors for the test connections since Scopes and frequency counters usually have those for input jacks.

Interesting project. My CP-1 is built with the BNC connectors and usually have adapters attached for the TX IN and Out as needed. It?s a very handy board!

- Jack, W6FB


> On May 28, 2017, at 10:23 AM, Mike Markowski <mike.ab3ap at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I'd like to get a directional coupler to, among other things, monitor my transmit signal on a scope.
> 
> The Elecraft CP1 kit is priced well, but I'd want it in a metal box with panel mount connectors, SO-239 for the main RF path.  I'd also rather use 50 ohm terminators rather than switches, so at that point it probably makes sense to build my own.  Just curious what others have done and if there are recommendations for reasonably priced, commercially available directional couplers for HF at 100 W or more.
> 
> Tnx es 73,
> Mike ab3ap
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From glcazzola at alice.it  Mon May 29 08:37:19 2017
From: glcazzola at alice.it (glcazzola at alice.it)
Date: Mon, 29 May 2017 14:37:19 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S - asking a little mod  to Wayne B.
Message-ID: <15c5435efeb.glcazzola@alice.it>

Dear Wayne, 
I am sure that my Elecraft K3S is the better rig on the ham market, at least for me.Best rx, great qsk, a great radio. Great factory, great service, great people. Wonderful radios ( I have also KX1)The K3S is the best of the best with the P3 - a wonferful add.I would  like, and I ask you if it is possilble,  that you add on the K3S display the evidence of the shift between the two VFO - even my old FT1000MP had it.Every time that I operate split I continue to desire it. The dx-ers need it.Is it possible for you with a software release to add the shift frequency khz, in the format for example "x.xx"? Thanks Ian IK4EWX

From kevin at k4vd.net  Mon May 29 10:40:42 2017
From: kevin at k4vd.net (Kevin - K4VD)
Date: Mon, 29 May 2017 10:40:42 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 alc/cmp and swr/rf display
In-Reply-To: <CAJ-Q2SWP=TnSwLid10CfZtTHbffVKLjuMmTSBex0QES2j+B9nQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJ-Q2SXF=T6odk_1=tcM67+vyao3JXoRyy_=J0FBr7_602B7GA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAJ-Q2SVysdvB-gofBgVg3fb_NejcWv8DMYtzhp46sfJqjLVLPQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAJ-Q2SUZ2f4ugA-Rkf0kyfNDWGGsD__Sf2+rpx-U-UTEBYhCYA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAJ-Q2SUJieiTV1bTcxst6cZKLDJMuDB-sKO477MKj6qt1Bs=fg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAJ-Q2SWP=TnSwLid10CfZtTHbffVKLjuMmTSBex0QES2j+B9nQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFA9ujtdFoN4U4NXZDaPsJJ1+oCf+BDb=iORZvC58ZOFR1o8fw@mail.gmail.com>

?To follow up, it was me that this happened to while out in the field
yesterday. Detrick and I both had our KX3s with us. ?

I was set for USB mode and preparing to work some voice (very rare for me).
On ptt down I was able to set ALC to 4+flicker and add a little
compression. I wanted to switch over to see SWR and power so I clicked the
KEYER/MIC knob. It didn't switch the power meter. In fact, oddly, it gave
me the option of setting mic gain or cw speed.

I checked Detrick's KX3 including a quick run through the menus. His acted
as I expected.

It's a new KX3. First time in the field. But I'm not that new to KX3s.
After a year or so with the previous KX3 I had menu options set the way I
liked them and then never thought about them again. I'm kind of thinking I
forgot something I should know as the KX3 worked flawlessly otherwise. I
was able to read power/swr in CW and DATA-A modes as expected.

I have the KX3 still packed from yesterday's WWFF visit to Mason Neck Park.
I'll drag it out later to try and figure things out but if anyone knows off
the top of their heads what I missed, let me know.

73,
Kev K4VD

On Sun, May 28, 2017 at 11:14 AM, Detrick Merz <detrick at merzhaus.org> wrote:

> Got two KX3 radios sitting here. Both in USB mode. On one, pressing the
> keyer/mic button switches the display between swr/rf and cmp/alc. On the
> other radio pressing keyer/mic it switches between showing mic gain and wpm
> in vfo b, but always shows cmp/alc.
>
> What are we missing?
>
> 73,
>
> -detrick
> KI4STU
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From jim at jtmiller.com  Mon May 29 11:20:50 2017
From: jim at jtmiller.com (Jim Miller)
Date: Mon, 29 May 2017 11:20:50 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Fool proof kill switch = deadman timer?
Message-ID: <CACYeN9xp5uDdUbBhXbswRTmF9iYdziLgnoE4ghQ5yNmyxLt5FA@mail.gmail.com>

In considering remote operation options I'm still struggling with how to
implement a kill switch that is foolproof.

Last night we had several power glitches that left our Comcast modem hung
up. There was really no service outage in the area so all it took was
unplugging and replugging the modem to restore it. Of course it took nearly
5 minutes to completely come alive with internet service active.

This happens often enough that it makes me concerned that if internet
service is interrupted while I'm operating remotely I wouldn't be able to
kill the transmitter output.

So I'm wondering if a better option is to have a deadman timer to kill the
K3 and amp output. Not sure what criteria I would use to reset the deadman.
I'm sure a Raspberry Pi or similar could be programmed to do the work.

Suggestions welcomed!

jim ab3cv

From wa6nhc at gmail.com  Mon May 29 11:45:48 2017
From: wa6nhc at gmail.com (Rick WA6NHC)
Date: Mon, 29 May 2017 08:45:48 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Fool proof kill switch = deadman timer?
In-Reply-To: <CACYeN9xp5uDdUbBhXbswRTmF9iYdziLgnoE4ghQ5yNmyxLt5FA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACYeN9xp5uDdUbBhXbswRTmF9iYdziLgnoE4ghQ5yNmyxLt5FA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <30891be1-751b-cac1-92f6-b821e930b493@gmail.com>

My Motorola SurfBoard modem that I used on Comcast requires 12V @ .75 
amp supply.  If you are using the same or similar, why not:

1)  Put the wall wart on a UPS or
2)  Float a 12V battery on the power input to the modem or
3)  Put the modem on your 12V rail (presuming it's on a constant supply, 
like a battery, use ferrites just in case)?

Since Comcast provides VoIP phone service, they are typically required 
to keep the hardware in their lines running (on battery typically, so 
the phones [for 911 at least] don't fail) so even if the power is out in 
your area, there should be service on your coax.

Keeping your modem alive is the simplest solution, regardless of the 
power fluctuations.  Your computer should be treated in a similar 
manner, they have less of a sense of humor about power issues.

If you want to look at what the modem is seeing (signal strength, 
channels, frequencies, etc) in your browser look at: 192.168.100.1 
(which also includes a means of resetting and rebooting from your 
computer, just don't do that while remotely controlling it).

73,
Rick WA6NHC/7 (now from North Idaho)



On 5/29/2017 8:20 AM, Jim Miller wrote:
> In considering remote operation options I'm still struggling with how to
> implement a kill switch that is foolproof.
>
> Last night we had several power glitches that left our Comcast modem hung
> up. There was really no service outage in the area so all it took was
> unplugging and replugging the modem to restore it. Of course it took nearly
> 5 minutes to completely come alive with internet service active.
>
> This happens often enough that it makes me concerned that if internet
> service is interrupted while I'm operating remotely I wouldn't be able to
> kill the transmitter output.
>
> So I'm wondering if a better option is to have a deadman timer to kill the
> K3 and amp output. Not sure what criteria I would use to reset the deadman.
> I'm sure a Raspberry Pi or similar could be programmed to do the work.
>
> Suggestions welcomed!
>
> jim ab3cv
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From garyk9gs at wi.rr.com  Mon May 29 11:52:00 2017
From: garyk9gs at wi.rr.com (GaryK9GS)
Date: Mon, 29 May 2017 10:52:00 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Fool proof kill switch = deadman timer?
Message-ID: <m46uayhlwcq92pgdcxt3xkjb.1496073120111@email.android.com>

Hello Jim
Some friends of mine that have a rental condo in FL were having a problem with their Nest Wi-Fi ?thermostat due to the frequent power glitches from FL thunderstorms. ?I installed a small UPS on the router in their condo that solved the problem.
Maybe something to consider.?


73,
Gary K9GS
-------- Original message --------From: Jim Miller <jim at jtmiller.com> Date: 5/29/17  10:20 AM  (GMT-06:00) To: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> Subject: [Elecraft] Fool proof kill switch = deadman timer? 
In considering remote operation options I'm still struggling with how to
implement a kill switch that is foolproof.

Last night we had several power glitches that left our Comcast modem hung
up. There was really no service outage in the area so all it took was
unplugging and replugging the modem to restore it. Of course it took nearly
5 minutes to completely come alive with internet service active.

This happens often enough that it makes me concerned that if internet
service is interrupted while I'm operating remotely I wouldn't be able to
kill the transmitter output.

So I'm wondering if a better option is to have a deadman timer to kill the
K3 and amp output. Not sure what criteria I would use to reset the deadman.
I'm sure a Raspberry Pi or similar could be programmed to do the work.

Suggestions welcomed!

jim ab3cv
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From augie.hansen at comcast.net  Mon May 29 13:04:01 2017
From: augie.hansen at comcast.net (Augie "Gus" Hansen)
Date: Mon, 29 May 2017 11:04:01 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] Legs
In-Reply-To: <58748CC6-41E1-4792-8A1A-7B4272CCD795@widomaker.com>
References: <f1e0a3db-a1d7-9d42-bdca-9922ef5ea3ae@qrp4fun.de>
	<58748CC6-41E1-4792-8A1A-7B4272CCD795@widomaker.com>
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On 5/28/2017 9:35 AM, Nr4c wrote:
> ...
> This problem could have been eliminated if they had use a left hand thread on one of the legs. But, this would have been quite confusing go a lot of people especially trying to replace the screws after changing battery.

Once installed correctly there is no need to remove the screws. 
Loosening them enough to separate the sections is sufficient.

Gus Hansen
KB0YH


From mda at n1en.org  Mon May 29 13:07:49 2017
From: mda at n1en.org (Michael Adams)
Date: Mon, 29 May 2017 17:07:49 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Fool proof kill switch = deadman timer?
In-Reply-To: <m46uayhlwcq92pgdcxt3xkjb.1496073120111@email.android.com>
References: <m46uayhlwcq92pgdcxt3xkjb.1496073120111@email.android.com>
Message-ID: <MWHPR02MB3373392D3094CF24B149CFD992F30@MWHPR02MB3373.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>

I have my cable modem and router on a UPS.

However, I parsed the initial request as something different: even with my UPS, sometimes my cable modem connection drops; and sometimes my router gets wonky for unknown reasons, and a reset is required to clear the situation.

An ideal kill switch would be able to test for connectivity (to the network at large, if not to the remote session specifically), and trigger if it's lost and not-reestablished in a timely manner.
-- 
Michael Adams | mda at n1en.org

From va3mw at portcredit.net  Mon May 29 13:15:56 2017
From: va3mw at portcredit.net (Michael Walker)
Date: Mon, 29 May 2017 13:15:56 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Fool proof kill switch = deadman timer?
In-Reply-To: <MWHPR02MB3373392D3094CF24B149CFD992F30@MWHPR02MB3373.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
References: <m46uayhlwcq92pgdcxt3xkjb.1496073120111@email.android.com>
	<MWHPR02MB3373392D3094CF24B149CFD992F30@MWHPR02MB3373.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CA+33ts78-VLNHq9M-y1ywJ7aoZmBAs3iriR+aEidQ8riqSDsUQ@mail.gmail.com>

I have a RPI that monitors for open IP ports to Google and CNN.

If they are both gone, then I power cycle the modem.  It checks every 15
minutes.

You could also have the PI do anything you like on other GPIO ports like
kill a TX line or a power line to the radio.

AKA, if no internet, then do a full shutdown of things.  Just add relays as
required.

It is discussed here:
https://community.flexradio.com/flexradio/topics/remote-operation-modem-rebooting
 (sorry for the Flex thing, but that is what drove me to do it)

Mike va3mw


On Mon, May 29, 2017 at 1:07 PM, Michael Adams <mda at n1en.org> wrote:

> I have my cable modem and router on a UPS.
>
> However, I parsed the initial request as something different: even with my
> UPS, sometimes my cable modem connection drops; and sometimes my router
> gets wonky for unknown reasons, and a reset is required to clear the
> situation.
>
> An ideal kill switch would be able to test for connectivity (to the
> network at large, if not to the remote session specifically), and trigger
> if it's lost and not-reestablished in a timely manner.
> --
> Michael Adams | mda at n1en.org
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From kevin at k4vd.net  Mon May 29 13:16:07 2017
From: kevin at k4vd.net (Kevin - K4VD)
Date: Mon, 29 May 2017 13:16:07 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Fool proof kill switch = deadman timer?
In-Reply-To: <MWHPR02MB3373392D3094CF24B149CFD992F30@MWHPR02MB3373.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
References: <m46uayhlwcq92pgdcxt3xkjb.1496073120111@email.android.com>
	<MWHPR02MB3373392D3094CF24B149CFD992F30@MWHPR02MB3373.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CAFA9ujtTM5VnpWmxxWHjhedJOTGErtwwLTP_VzJqR2A5=hQcug@mail.gmail.com>

?I wonder if a feature request which includes a watchdog timer on transmit
might be a general solution.? If it were available, I might set mine for 5
or 10 minutes. This way the radio would terminate transmitting without just
pulling the power which might cause some issues with internal processes or
memory maybe?

73,
Kev K4VD

From n5lz at comcast.net  Mon May 29 13:24:58 2017
From: n5lz at comcast.net (Don Butler)
Date: Mon, 29 May 2017 11:24:58 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] Legs
In-Reply-To: <f1e0a3db-a1d7-9d42-bdca-9922ef5ea3ae@qrp4fun.de>
References: <f1e0a3db-a1d7-9d42-bdca-9922ef5ea3ae@qrp4fun.de>
Message-ID: <000001d2d8a0$80027f60$80077e20$@comcast.net>

My simple solution has been:  .... never overtighten the thumbscrews ....
and always loosen them a bit before folding out the legs (especially the
side that tightens when folded out)

Don, N5LZ

-----Original Message-----
From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Ingo
Meyer, DK3RED
Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2017 3:41 AM
To: Elecraft
Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] Legs

Hello Elecrafters,


I have a little mechanical nuisance with the legs of my KX3.

If I carefully tighten the screws, after a while the right leg can no longer
be folded out completely and the left leg wobbles.

Is there a solution to hold the underside of the transceiver in place AND to
hold the legs, so i can move the legs evenly for a longer time?


73/72 de Ingo, DK3RED - Don't forget: the fun is the power!
www.qrp4fun.de - dk3red at qrp4fun.de
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From k6dgw at foothill.net  Mon May 29 15:25:26 2017
From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen)
Date: Mon, 29 May 2017 12:25:26 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Fool proof kill switch = deadman timer?
In-Reply-To: <CACYeN9xp5uDdUbBhXbswRTmF9iYdziLgnoE4ghQ5yNmyxLt5FA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACYeN9xp5uDdUbBhXbswRTmF9iYdziLgnoE4ghQ5yNmyxLt5FA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f4f16c63-839c-60c9-e247-71170ba4b971@foothill.net>

Correct meJimif I misunderstand, but it sounds like you are looking for 
a truly fail-safe way to make sure your remote doesn't go into 
continuous transmit, and to recover it after the control-link returns 
and is stable.

"97.213(b) Provisions are incorporated to limit transmission by the 
station to a period of no more than 3 minutes in the event of 
malfunction in the control link."

Just assuring your I'net modem is on aUPS doesn't seem to meet that 
need.  The way(s) I've seen it done on remotely controlled mtn-top 
VHF/UHF base stations on a network linked by radio, microwave, and VOiP 
include two parts:

1.  A simple RF sensor with3 min timer that resets to zero every time 
the RF drops.  It interrupts the power, and must be reset via the 
control link.  I've seen some that self-reset after some period [like 10 
mins] with a limit on the number of times it will do so.  Most used the 
NO contacts such that the relay has to be energized to power the 
transmitter.

2.  An interlock that prevents keying of the transmitter unless the 
control link is active.  This was usually accomplished with a 
sub-audible tone [CTCSS] that either keyed the remote transmitter 
itself, or enabled keying by some other means.  No control tone = no TX.

3.  Recovery from remote power failures with K-line equipmentmay require 
a couple of little robots [maybe Lego's?] to punch the PWR switches. [:-)

I believe #3 can be solved on Elecraft equipment with one of the lines 
in the AUX cable.  #'s 1 and 2 are *not* the same thing.

73,

Fred ("Skip") K6DGW
Sparks NV USA
Washoe County DM09dn

On 5/29/2017 8:20 AM, Jim Miller wrote:
> In considering remote operation options I'm still struggling with how to
> implement a kill switch that is foolproof.
>
> Last night we had several power glitches that left our Comcast modem hung
> up. There was really no service outage in the area so all it took was
> unplugging and replugging the modem to restore it. Of course it took nearly
> 5 minutes to completely come alive with internet service active.
>
> This happens often enough that it makes me concerned that if internet
> service is interrupted while I'm operating remotely I wouldn't be able to
> kill the transmitter output.
>
> So I'm wondering if a better option is to have a deadman timer to kill the
> K3 and amp output. Not sure what criteria I would use to reset the deadman.
> I'm sure a Raspberry Pi or similar could be programmed to do the work.
>
> Suggestions welcomed!
>
> jim ab3cv
>


From k2asp at kanafi.org  Mon May 29 16:44:36 2017
From: k2asp at kanafi.org (Phil Kane)
Date: Mon, 29 May 2017 13:44:36 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Fool proof kill switch = deadman timer?
In-Reply-To: <30891be1-751b-cac1-92f6-b821e930b493@gmail.com>
References: <CACYeN9xp5uDdUbBhXbswRTmF9iYdziLgnoE4ghQ5yNmyxLt5FA@mail.gmail.com>
	<30891be1-751b-cac1-92f6-b821e930b493@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9d25d754-a9be-9751-42b5-12c2bc135965@kanafi.org>

On 5/29/2017 8:45 AM, Rick WA6NHC wrote:

> Since Comcast provides VoIP phone service, they are typically required
> to keep the hardware in their lines running (on battery typically, so
> the phones [for 911 at least] don't fail) so even if the power is out in
> your area, there should be service on your coax.

Experience:  Major 12-hour power outage April 7 2017.

Both my (personally owned) Cable Modem and Router run on a UPS whose 8
AH battery has been upgraded to 27 AH for extended time -  not a problem
when the UPS is operating at 10% of rated load.

Comcast Internet and VoIP lasted about 2 hours and died before the UPS
shut down.  Those of us "in the business" have been after the cable and
mobile phone carriers to put in more robust battery supplies and backup
generators but it falls on deaf ears.

The station back-up power system here - 12 V / 170 AH - ran at about 10
A nominal load for all 12 hours (the K2 and the VHF/UHF gear in
receive/standby modes) and the bus voltage dropped only 0.3 V !   Then
again, my mentor in designing the system 20 years ago was my late
colleague Tom Croda KA6KBI (SK) who was until his passing considered
-the- national expert on battery-backup power systems for critical
communication sites.

73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane
Elecraft K2/100   s/n 5402

VP - General Counsel & Engineering Manager
CSI Telecommunications, Inc. - Consulting Engineers
San Francisco, CA - Beaverton, OR

From ormandj at corenode.com  Mon May 29 17:19:50 2017
From: ormandj at corenode.com (David Orman)
Date: Mon, 29 May 2017 21:19:50 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 alc/cmp and swr/rf display
In-Reply-To: <CAJ-Q2SWP=TnSwLid10CfZtTHbffVKLjuMmTSBex0QES2j+B9nQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJ-Q2SXF=T6odk_1=tcM67+vyao3JXoRyy_=J0FBr7_602B7GA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAJ-Q2SVysdvB-gofBgVg3fb_NejcWv8DMYtzhp46sfJqjLVLPQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAJ-Q2SUZ2f4ugA-Rkf0kyfNDWGGsD__Sf2+rpx-U-UTEBYhCYA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAJ-Q2SUJieiTV1bTcxst6cZKLDJMuDB-sKO477MKj6qt1Bs=fg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAJ-Q2SWP=TnSwLid10CfZtTHbffVKLjuMmTSBex0QES2j+B9nQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGxZ45p_wQOM=h8RnMSpQk2QLiWQpLCegHAozt5PQBg4pr6sig@mail.gmail.com>

In the CW WGHT menu tap 1 to toggle SSB+CW (CW enabled) and SSB-CW (CW
disabled). With it enabled you'll see wpm. Disable and you'll get the
behavior you want with cmp/alc. Kind of a hidden menu, I forget about it
sometimes too. Keep in mind you won't be able to send CW while in SSB modes
with it disabled.

David / K5DJO

On Sun, May 28, 2017, 10:16 Detrick Merz <detrick at merzhaus.org> wrote:

> Got two KX3 radios sitting here. Both in USB mode. On one, pressing the
> keyer/mic button switches the display between swr/rf and cmp/alc. On the
> other radio pressing keyer/mic it switches between showing mic gain and wpm
> in vfo b, but always shows cmp/alc.
>
> What are we missing?
>
> 73,
>
> -detrick
> KI4STU
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From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Mon May 29 17:48:19 2017
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Mon, 29 May 2017 17:48:19 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Fool proof kill switch = deadman timer?
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Jim,

I think it could all be done with your Raspberry Pi idea.

The transmit state of the K3 can be indicated by the state of KEYOUT-LP 
on pin 10 of the ACC connector.  Since it is an open drain, you will 
need a pullup to determine its state.  It is grounded during transmit 
and open circuit otherwise.
When it is grounded, start the timer.  You will have to decide how long 
your transmissions will be.  Reset the timer with a positive-going 
transition of the KEYOUT-LP line.

If the timer expires, I would suggest first issuing a Power Off command 
to the K3 over the RS-232 connection.  If that fails, then more drastic 
action is required - like pulling the plug.

You can power the K3 back on by pin 8 of the ACC connector.  See Remote 
Power On at page 43 of the manual.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 5/29/2017 11:20 AM, Jim Miller wrote:
> In considering remote operation options I'm still struggling with how to
> implement a kill switch that is foolproof.

From kevin at k4vd.net  Mon May 29 17:48:53 2017
From: kevin at k4vd.net (Kevin - K4VD)
Date: Mon, 29 May 2017 17:48:53 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 alc/cmp and swr/rf display
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:) That was it. Thanks David. That was driving me nuts.

The behavior I was seeing was not default but I don't remember ever
changing that. I don't remember ever recognizing there's even a sub-menu to
CW WGHT.

This is a new rig and it is kind of factory fresh. I wonder if I should
perform a factory reset to make sure things work as expected? If I do a
factory reset, does this change any of the settings made during factory
calibration or the factory installed modules?

At any rate... thanks David. This really was driving me crazy.

73,
Kev K4VD




On Mon, May 29, 2017 at 5:19 PM, David Orman <ormandj at corenode.com> wrote:

> In the CW WGHT menu tap 1 to toggle SSB+CW (CW enabled) and SSB-CW (CW
> disabled). With it enabled you'll see wpm. Disable and you'll get the
> behavior you want with cmp/alc. Kind of a hidden menu, I forget about it
> sometimes too. Keep in mind you won't be able to send CW while in SSB modes
> with it disabled.
>
> David / K5DJO
>
> On Sun, May 28, 2017, 10:16 Detrick Merz <detrick at merzhaus.org> wrote:
>
> > Got two KX3 radios sitting here. Both in USB mode. On one, pressing the
> > keyer/mic button switches the display between swr/rf and cmp/alc. On the
> > other radio pressing keyer/mic it switches between showing mic gain and
> wpm
> > in vfo b, but always shows cmp/alc.
> >
> > What are we missing?
> >
> > 73,
> >
> > -detrick
> > KI4STU
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From jim at jtmiller.com  Mon May 29 18:30:25 2017
From: jim at jtmiller.com (Jim Miller)
Date: Mon, 29 May 2017 18:30:25 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Fool proof kill switch = deadman timer?
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Thanks for all the suggestions. Does anyone run Remote Rig and know what
failsafe it may provide?

73

jim ab3cv

On Mon, May 29, 2017 at 11:20 AM, Jim Miller <jim at jtmiller.com> wrote:

> In considering remote operation options I'm still struggling with how to
> implement a kill switch that is foolproof.
>
> Last night we had several power glitches that left our Comcast modem hung
> up. There was really no service outage in the area so all it took was
> unplugging and replugging the modem to restore it. Of course it took nearly
> 5 minutes to completely come alive with internet service active.
>
> This happens often enough that it makes me concerned that if internet
> service is interrupted while I'm operating remotely I wouldn't be able to
> kill the transmitter output.
>
> So I'm wondering if a better option is to have a deadman timer to kill the
> K3 and amp output. Not sure what criteria I would use to reset the deadman.
> I'm sure a Raspberry Pi or similar could be programmed to do the work.
>
> Suggestions welcomed!
>
> jim ab3cv
>

From va3mw at portcredit.net  Mon May 29 19:42:51 2017
From: va3mw at portcredit.net (Michael Walker)
Date: Mon, 29 May 2017 19:42:51 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Fool proof kill switch = deadman timer?
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Jim

I have used Remote Rig on my TS480 for years.  They are great units and I
highly recommend them.

I replaced them with a 6300 and a Maestro about a year go.  The setup is
more complicated at the moment, but that also works well.

I have been running remote for about 11 years now and I don't get to my
remote base for months at a time.  The one thing to remember is that look
around your shack and make a list of every button you push.

You now have to figure out how to do it from behind a locked door.  :)

Mike va3mw

On Mon, May 29, 2017 at 6:30 PM, Jim Miller <jim at jtmiller.com> wrote:

> Thanks for all the suggestions. Does anyone run Remote Rig and know what
> failsafe it may provide?
>
> 73
>
> jim ab3cv
>
> On Mon, May 29, 2017 at 11:20 AM, Jim Miller <jim at jtmiller.com> wrote:
>
> > In considering remote operation options I'm still struggling with how to
> > implement a kill switch that is foolproof.
> >
> > Last night we had several power glitches that left our Comcast modem hung
> > up. There was really no service outage in the area so all it took was
> > unplugging and replugging the modem to restore it. Of course it took
> nearly
> > 5 minutes to completely come alive with internet service active.
> >
> > This happens often enough that it makes me concerned that if internet
> > service is interrupted while I'm operating remotely I wouldn't be able to
> > kill the transmitter output.
> >
> > So I'm wondering if a better option is to have a deadman timer to kill
> the
> > K3 and amp output. Not sure what criteria I would use to reset the
> deadman.
> > I'm sure a Raspberry Pi or similar could be programmed to do the work.
> >
> > Suggestions welcomed!
> >
> > jim ab3cv
> >
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From k6dgw at foothill.net  Mon May 29 19:53:35 2017
From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen)
Date: Mon, 29 May 2017 16:53:35 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Fool proof kill switch = deadman timer?
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I run Remote Rig with W7RN.  In terms of what I think you're looking 
for, it really doesn't provide anything. It's a control and audio 
interface between two rigs.  With K3's at each end, and an IP path to 
the remote RR box, turning on your control K3 puts it in TERM mode and 
turns the remote K3 on.  Your K3doesn't make any RF but it behaves 
exactly as if it was, your display is a carbon copy of what the remote 
K3 is doing.  RR will work with other radios, Ihave no experience with 
any of them.

Depending on what might be hanging the remote in TX, turning your 
control K3 off may or may not fix the problem.  As Rick, N6XI, says, 
"Remote Rig involves a *lot* of 'moving parts' and is non-trivial to set 
up."

73,

Fred ("Skip") K6DGW
Sparks NV USA
Washoe County DM09dn

"Carbon Copy:"  An ancient method of making one or more copies of a 
typewritten document while typing the original.

On 5/29/2017 3:30 PM, Jim Miller wrote:
> Thanks for all the suggestions. Does anyone run Remote Rig and know what
> failsafe it may provide?
>
> 73
>
> jim ab3cv
>
> On Mon, May 29, 2017 at 11:20 AM, Jim Miller <jim at jtmiller.com> wrote:
>
>> In considering remote operation options I'm still struggling with how to
>> implement a kill switch that is foolproof.
>>
>> Last night we had several power glitches that left our Comcast modem hung
>> up. There was really no service outage in the area so all it took was
>> unplugging and replugging the modem to restore it. Of course it took nearly
>> 5 minutes to completely come alive with internet service active.
>>
>> This happens often enough that it makes me concerned that if internet
>> service is interrupted while I'm operating remotely I wouldn't be able to
>> kill the transmitter output.
>>
>> So I'm wondering if a better option is to have a deadman timer to kill the
>> K3 and amp output. Not sure what criteria I would use to reset the deadman.
>> I'm sure a Raspberry Pi or similar could be programmed to do the work.
>>
>> Suggestions welcomed!
>>
>> jim ab3cv
>>
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From tomb18 at videotron.ca  Mon May 29 22:15:24 2017
From: tomb18 at videotron.ca (tomb18)
Date: Mon, 29 May 2017 22:15:24 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Fool proof kill switch = deadman timer?
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I've seen something similar on Yaesu transceiver. It's a timeout for transmit built into the firmware of the radio.?So if transmit is engaged for a set period of time, the firmware will do a shut down if the radio.?Perhaps elecraft can add such a function??73 Tom?va2fsq.com?


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-------- Original message --------From: Fred Jensen <k6dgw at foothill.net> Date: 2017-05-29  7:53 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Fool proof kill switch = deadman timer? 
I run Remote Rig with W7RN.? In terms of what I think you're looking 
for, it really doesn't provide anything. It's a control and audio 
interface between two rigs.? With K3's at each end, and an IP path to 
the remote RR box, turning on your control K3 puts it in TERM mode and 
turns the remote K3 on.? Your K3doesn't make any RF but it behaves 
exactly as if it was, your display is a carbon copy of what the remote 
K3 is doing.? RR will work with other radios, Ihave no experience with 
any of them.

Depending on what might be hanging the remote in TX, turning your 
control K3 off may or may not fix the problem.? As Rick, N6XI, says, 
"Remote Rig involves a *lot* of 'moving parts' and is non-trivial to set 
up."

73,

Fred ("Skip") K6DGW
Sparks NV USA
Washoe County DM09dn

"Carbon Copy:"? An ancient method of making one or more copies of a 
typewritten document while typing the original.

On 5/29/2017 3:30 PM, Jim Miller wrote:
> Thanks for all the suggestions. Does anyone run Remote Rig and know what
> failsafe it may provide?
>
> 73
>
> jim ab3cv
>
> On Mon, May 29, 2017 at 11:20 AM, Jim Miller <jim at jtmiller.com> wrote:
>
>> In considering remote operation options I'm still struggling with how to
>> implement a kill switch that is foolproof.
>>
>> Last night we had several power glitches that left our Comcast modem hung
>> up. There was really no service outage in the area so all it took was
>> unplugging and replugging the modem to restore it. Of course it took nearly
>> 5 minutes to completely come alive with internet service active.
>>
>> This happens often enough that it makes me concerned that if internet
>> service is interrupted while I'm operating remotely I wouldn't be able to
>> kill the transmitter output.
>>
>> So I'm wondering if a better option is to have a deadman timer to kill the
>> K3 and amp output. Not sure what criteria I would use to reset the deadman.
>> I'm sure a Raspberry Pi or similar could be programmed to do the work.
>>
>> Suggestions welcomed!
>>
>> jim ab3cv
>>
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From hillslaird at internode.on.net  Mon May 29 22:40:04 2017
From: hillslaird at internode.on.net (Kevin Schache)
Date: Tue, 30 May 2017 12:10:04 +0930
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 alc/cmp and swr/rf display
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Aah ! As another newbie KX3 user, I wondered why this had happened to my 
KX3.

I had changed the SSB to include CW and now I know that's what caused 
the change.

This list is a magnificent tutor !!  Thank you

73

Kev     VK5KS


On 30/05/2017 7:18 AM, Kevin - K4VD wrote:
> :) That was it. Thanks David. That was driving me nuts.
>
> The behavior I was seeing was not default but I don't remember ever
> changing that. I don't remember ever recognizing there's even a sub-menu to
> CW WGHT.
>
> This is a new rig and it is kind of factory fresh. I wonder if I should
> perform a factory reset to make sure things work as expected? If I do a
> factory reset, does this change any of the settings made during factory
> calibration or the factory installed modules?
>
> At any rate... thanks David. This really was driving me crazy.
>
> 73,
> Kev K4VD
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, May 29, 2017 at 5:19 PM, David Orman <ormandj at corenode.com> wrote:
>
>> In the CW WGHT menu tap 1 to toggle SSB+CW (CW enabled) and SSB-CW (CW
>> disabled). With it enabled you'll see wpm. Disable and you'll get the
>> behavior you want with cmp/alc. Kind of a hidden menu, I forget about it
>> sometimes too. Keep in mind you won't be able to send CW while in SSB modes
>> with it disabled.
>>
>> David / K5DJO
>>
>> On Sun, May 28, 2017, 10:16 Detrick Merz <detrick at merzhaus.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Got two KX3 radios sitting here. Both in USB mode. On one, pressing the
>>> keyer/mic button switches the display between swr/rf and cmp/alc. On the
>>> other radio pressing keyer/mic it switches between showing mic gain and
>> wpm
>>> in vfo b, but always shows cmp/alc.
>>>
>>> What are we missing?
>>>
>>> 73,
>>>
>>> -detrick
>>> KI4STU
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From n3kcb at usa.net  Tue May 30 08:07:38 2017
From: n3kcb at usa.net (Anthony Clare)
Date: Tue, 30 May 2017 08:07:38 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 BFO issues
Message-ID: <193VedmgM4640S01.1496146058@web01.cms.usa.net>

Hello:

Looks like I am not the only one to have this problem. Just finished assembly
phase 2(?) on the K2. It was during the BFO tests that I realized there was
not enough signal at the test point for the internal counter. I checked for
poor solder, improper varactor diode install, verified that L33 was intact and
not being shorted by the 5 meg resistor, etc. I ran one crystal at a time, but
neither one would provide the proper signal level alone. I even checked L33 on
the inductance meter and it came out to about 39uH, which seems about right. I
assume the inductance meter has some error. The resistor measures out to about
5 meg.

Anyway, with the test pojnt NOT active, I get about 385 mV at pin 6 of the
NE602. in counter mode, that drops into the 250 mV range and I get about 25 mV
at the test point. When i use the band up/down buttons to check BFO range, it
drops to around 10 mV at either end.

I even tried some other crystals (4.915, 5.242, 9.000, etc.) I had laying
around to see what happened. Same low signal levels.

I hate to shotgun, but I have already replaced the 602 and J-310 since I have
tons in the parts pins.

Any ideas?

Anthony
n3kcb


From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Tue May 30 08:50:50 2017
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Tue, 30 May 2017 08:50:50 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 BFO issues
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Anthony,

When you put the K2 into CAL FCTR mode, what is the voltage at the ends 
of R98 (on the bottom of the board).  I am interested only in the 
highest voltage.

With the new K2s (those using the new encoder board), many strange 
problems are caused by contact of the encoder board with the Control Board.
You must flush trim the leads on the encoder board - and I mean almost 
right down to the board level.
Also you must flush trim the back of the Control Board in the area that 
could come in contact with the encoder board.
Make sure the rubber bumper pads are in place at the top corners of the 
Front Panel Board.

As a test, remove the 2 screws that secure the Control Board to the 
Front Panel and tilt the top of the Control Board to the rear.  If 
things then behave normally, you can be certain that contact between the 
encoder board and the Control Board is causing the problem.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 5/30/2017 8:07 AM, Anthony Clare wrote:
> Hello:
> 
> Looks like I am not the only one to have this problem. Just finished assembly
> phase 2(?) on the K2. It was during the BFO tests that I realized there was
> not enough signal at the test point for the internal counter. I checked for
> poor solder, improper varactor diode install, verified that L33 was intact and
> not being shorted by the 5 meg resistor, etc. I ran one crystal at a time, but
> neither one would provide the proper signal level alone. I even checked L33 on
> the inductance meter and it came out to about 39uH, which seems about right. I
> assume the inductance meter has some error. The resistor measures out to about
> 5 meg.
> 

From n3kcb at usa.net  Tue May 30 09:28:54 2017
From: n3kcb at usa.net (Anthony Clare)
Date: Tue, 30 May 2017 09:28:54 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 BFO issues
Message-ID: <616VedNb37248S01.1496150934@web01.cms.usa.net>

Hello:

I am not at home to try, so I will have to check R98 later. I remember fitting
the encoder and it was definitely a tight fit. I used a dremel sanding drum to
almost completely flatten the pins in the affected area on the encoder board
and control board. Then I reflowed all the connections that I flattened and
placed fiberglass tape over the encoder board. Once I did this, I could look
between the boards and see no physical contact. 

I will separate the control and front panel boards and see what happens when I
get home.

Thanks,
Anthony
n3kcb

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Received: Tue, 30 May 2017 08:51:03 AM EDT
From: Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com>
To: Anthony Clare <n3kcb at usa.net>, elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K2 BFO issues

Anthony,

When you put the K2 into CAL FCTR mode, what is the voltage at the ends 
of R98 (on the bottom of the board).  I am interested only in the 
highest voltage.

With the new K2s (those using the new encoder board), many strange 
problems are caused by contact of the encoder board with the Control Board.
You must flush trim the leads on the encoder board - and I mean almost 
right down to the board level.
Also you must flush trim the back of the Control Board in the area that 
could come in contact with the encoder board.
Make sure the rubber bumper pads are in place at the top corners of the 
Front Panel Board.

As a test, remove the 2 screws that secure the Control Board to the 
Front Panel and tilt the top of the Control Board to the rear.  If 
things then behave normally, you can be certain that contact between the 
encoder board and the Control Board is causing the problem.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 5/30/2017 8:07 AM, Anthony Clare wrote:
> Hello:
> 
> Looks like I am not the only one to have this problem. Just finished
assembly
> phase 2(?) on the K2. It was during the BFO tests that I realized there was
> not enough signal at the test point for the internal counter. I checked for
> poor solder, improper varactor diode install, verified that L33 was intact
and
> not being shorted by the 5 meg resistor, etc. I ran one crystal at a time,
but
> neither one would provide the proper signal level alone. I even checked L33
on
> the inductance meter and it came out to about 39uH, which seems about right.
I
> assume the inductance meter has some error. The resistor measures out to
about
> 5 meg.
> 



From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Tue May 30 10:14:26 2017
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Tue, 30 May 2017 10:14:26 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 BFO issues
In-Reply-To: <616VedNb37248S01.1496150934@web01.cms.usa.net>
References: <616VedNb37248S01.1496150934@web01.cms.usa.net>
Message-ID: <3448ac28-c926-15a3-8dbc-1ebb99d50406@embarqmail.com>

Anthony,

If you do not find more than 7 volts at the end of R98 that is furthest 
away from Q24, then look at the U10A/Q8 circuit on the Control Board.  
Check the associated components and their soldering.  That is more 
likely to be the problem than the active devices.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 5/30/2017 9:28 AM, Anthony Clare wrote:
> Hello:
>
> I am not at home to try, so I will have to check R98 later. I remember fitting
> the encoder and it was definitely a tight fit. I used a dremel sanding drum to
> almost completely flatten the pins in the affected area on the encoder board
> and control board. Then I reflowed all the connections that I flattened and
> placed fiberglass tape over the encoder board. Once I did this, I could look
> between the boards and see no physical contact.
>
> I will separate the control and front panel boards and see what happens when I
> get home.
>
> Thanks,
> Anthony
> n3kcb
>
> ------ Original Message ------
> Received: Tue, 30 May 2017 08:51:03 AM EDT
> From: Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com>
> To: Anthony Clare <n3kcb at usa.net>, elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K2 BFO issues
>
> Anthony,
>
> When you put the K2 into CAL FCTR mode, what is the voltage at the ends
> of R98 (on the bottom of the board).  I am interested only in the
> highest voltage.
>
> With the new K2s (those using the new encoder board), many strange
> problems are caused by contact of the encoder board with the Control Board.
> You must flush trim the leads on the encoder board - and I mean almost
> right down to the board level.
> Also you must flush trim the back of the Control Board in the area that
> could come in contact with the encoder board.
> Make sure the rubber bumper pads are in place at the top corners of the
> Front Panel Board.
>
> As a test, remove the 2 screws that secure the Control Board to the
> Front Panel and tilt the top of the Control Board to the rear.  If
> things then behave normally, you can be certain that contact between the
> encoder board and the Control Board is causing the problem.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 5/30/2017 8:07 AM, Anthony Clare wrote:
>> Hello:
>>
>> Looks like I am not the only one to have this problem. Just finished
> assembly
>> phase 2(?) on the K2. It was during the BFO tests that I realized there was
>> not enough signal at the test point for the internal counter. I checked for
>> poor solder, improper varactor diode install, verified that L33 was intact
> and
>> not being shorted by the 5 meg resistor, etc. I ran one crystal at a time,
> but
>> neither one would provide the proper signal level alone. I even checked L33
> on
>> the inductance meter and it came out to about 39uH, which seems about right.
> I
>> assume the inductance meter has some error. The resistor measures out to
> about
>> 5 meg.
>>
>
>


From n3kcb at usa.net  Tue May 30 11:26:58 2017
From: n3kcb at usa.net (Anthony Clare)
Date: Tue, 30 May 2017 11:26:58 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 BFO issues
Message-ID: <328VedPZ74880S06.1496158018@web06.cms.usa.net>

Don:

I just looked at the schematic. I do remember checking the voltage at R98 now
that I look at it. I do recall getting over 7 volts in and somewhere around
5.8 give or take at the drain of Q24.

I never thought to look at U10 or associated circuitry. I will do that as soon
as I get home.

Thanks,
Anthony
n3kcb

------ Original Message ------
Received: Tue, 30 May 2017 10:14:48 AM EDT
From: Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com>
To: Anthony Clare <n3kcb at usa.net>, elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K2 BFO issues

Anthony,

If you do not find more than 7 volts at the end of R98 that is furthest 
away from Q24, then look at the U10A/Q8 circuit on the Control Board.  
Check the associated components and their soldering.  That is more 
likely to be the problem than the active devices.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 5/30/2017 9:28 AM, Anthony Clare wrote:
> Hello:
>
> I am not at home to try, so I will have to check R98 later. I remember
fitting
> the encoder and it was definitely a tight fit. I used a dremel sanding drum
to
> almost completely flatten the pins in the affected area on the encoder
board
> and control board. Then I reflowed all the connections that I flattened and
> placed fiberglass tape over the encoder board. Once I did this, I could
look
> between the boards and see no physical contact.
>
> I will separate the control and front panel boards and see what happens when
I
> get home.
>
> Thanks,
> Anthony
> n3kcb
>
> ------ Original Message ------
> Received: Tue, 30 May 2017 08:51:03 AM EDT
> From: Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com>
> To: Anthony Clare <n3kcb at usa.net>, elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K2 BFO issues
>
> Anthony,
>
> When you put the K2 into CAL FCTR mode, what is the voltage at the ends
> of R98 (on the bottom of the board).  I am interested only in the
> highest voltage.
>
> With the new K2s (those using the new encoder board), many strange
> problems are caused by contact of the encoder board with the Control Board.
> You must flush trim the leads on the encoder board - and I mean almost
> right down to the board level.
> Also you must flush trim the back of the Control Board in the area that
> could come in contact with the encoder board.
> Make sure the rubber bumper pads are in place at the top corners of the
> Front Panel Board.
>
> As a test, remove the 2 screws that secure the Control Board to the
> Front Panel and tilt the top of the Control Board to the rear.  If
> things then behave normally, you can be certain that contact between the
> encoder board and the Control Board is causing the problem.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 5/30/2017 8:07 AM, Anthony Clare wrote:
>> Hello:
>>
>> Looks like I am not the only one to have this problem. Just finished
> assembly
>> phase 2(?) on the K2. It was during the BFO tests that I realized there
was
>> not enough signal at the test point for the internal counter. I checked
for
>> poor solder, improper varactor diode install, verified that L33 was intact
> and
>> not being shorted by the 5 meg resistor, etc. I ran one crystal at a time,
> but
>> neither one would provide the proper signal level alone. I even checked
L33
> on
>> the inductance meter and it came out to about 39uH, which seems about
right.
> I
>> assume the inductance meter has some error. The resistor measures out to
> about
>> 5 meg.
>>
>
>




From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Tue May 30 12:38:14 2017
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Tue, 30 May 2017 12:38:14 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 BFO issues
In-Reply-To: <328VedPZ74880S06.1496158018@web06.cms.usa.net>
References: <328VedPZ74880S06.1496158018@web06.cms.usa.net>
Message-ID: <81fa37d1-d495-cb97-482d-0f936f3c8eae@embarqmail.com>

Anthony,

If you are getting 7 volts onto R98, there is no need to look into the 
U10 circuits.
Check the values and soldering in other parts of the RF Board BFO and 
Q24 area.
Is D36 installed properly using pins 2 and 3 on the SMT board with the 
#2 lead in the hole of the silkscreen with the banded end?

73,
Don W3FPR

On 5/30/2017 11:26 AM, Anthony Clare wrote:
> Don:
>
> I just looked at the schematic. I do remember checking the voltage at R98 now
> that I look at it. I do recall getting over 7 volts in and somewhere around
> 5.8 give or take at the drain of Q24.
>
> I never thought to look at U10 or associated circuitry. I will do that as soon
> as I get home.
>
> Thanks,
> Anthony
> n3kcb
>
> ------ Original Message ------
> Received: Tue, 30 May 2017 10:14:48 AM EDT
> From: Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com>
> To: Anthony Clare <n3kcb at usa.net>, elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K2 BFO issues
>
> Anthony,
>
> If you do not find more than 7 volts at the end of R98 that is furthest
> away from Q24, then look at the U10A/Q8 circuit on the Control Board.
> Check the associated components and their soldering.  That is more
> likely to be the problem than the active devices.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 5/30/2017 9:28 AM, Anthony Clare wrote:
>> Hello:
>>
>> I am not at home to try, so I will have to check R98 later. I remember
> fitting
>> the encoder and it was definitely a tight fit. I used a dremel sanding drum
> to
>> almost completely flatten the pins in the affected area on the encoder
> board
>> and control board. Then I reflowed all the connections that I flattened and
>> placed fiberglass tape over the encoder board. Once I did this, I could
> look
>> between the boards and see no physical contact.
>>
>> I will separate the control and front panel boards and see what happens when
> I
>> get home.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Anthony
>> n3kcb
>>
>> ------ Original Message ------
>> Received: Tue, 30 May 2017 08:51:03 AM EDT
>> From: Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com>
>> To: Anthony Clare <n3kcb at usa.net>, elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K2 BFO issues
>>
>> Anthony,
>>
>> When you put the K2 into CAL FCTR mode, what is the voltage at the ends
>> of R98 (on the bottom of the board).  I am interested only in the
>> highest voltage.
>>
>> With the new K2s (those using the new encoder board), many strange
>> problems are caused by contact of the encoder board with the Control Board.
>> You must flush trim the leads on the encoder board - and I mean almost
>> right down to the board level.
>> Also you must flush trim the back of the Control Board in the area that
>> could come in contact with the encoder board.
>> Make sure the rubber bumper pads are in place at the top corners of the
>> Front Panel Board.
>>
>> As a test, remove the 2 screws that secure the Control Board to the
>> Front Panel and tilt the top of the Control Board to the rear.  If
>> things then behave normally, you can be certain that contact between the
>> encoder board and the Control Board is causing the problem.
>>
>> 73,
>> Don W3FPR
>>
>> On 5/30/2017 8:07 AM, Anthony Clare wrote:
>>> Hello:
>>>
>>> Looks like I am not the only one to have this problem. Just finished
>> assembly
>>> phase 2(?) on the K2. It was during the BFO tests that I realized there
> was
>>> not enough signal at the test point for the internal counter. I checked
> for
>>> poor solder, improper varactor diode install, verified that L33 was intact
>> and
>>> not being shorted by the 5 meg resistor, etc. I ran one crystal at a time,
>> but
>>> neither one would provide the proper signal level alone. I even checked
> L33
>> on
>>> the inductance meter and it came out to about 39uH, which seems about
> right.
>> I
>>> assume the inductance meter has some error. The resistor measures out to
>> about
>>> 5 meg.
>>>
>>
>
>
>


From kengkopp at gmail.com  Tue May 30 12:43:22 2017
From: kengkopp at gmail.com (Ken G Kopp)
Date: Tue, 30 May 2017 10:43:22 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] Shack cleaning.
In-Reply-To: <006001d2d946$b3823a00$1a86ae00$@erols.com>
References: <006001d2d946$b3823a00$1a86ae00$@erols.com>
Message-ID: <CAD4CdTPwmbQQBdkdM-z1yir_GawKU3UrKoG8=45py6uCF97+Fw@mail.gmail.com>

Anal retentive comes to mind ... (;-)

Also "petty" ...

K0PP

On May 30, 2017 7:14 AM, "'Charlie T, K3ICH' pincon at erols.com [KX3]" <
KX3-noreply at yahoogroups.com> wrote:

>
>
> You know, when I see the header ?Shack Cleaning?, I have this vision of
> rooting through a pile of junk sitting on the curb, waiting for the trash
> man to haul it off to the dump.
>
> To me, it certainly does NOT inspire me to want to look.
>
> I guess you could interpret the comment as implying very low prices (since
> they were going to be thrown out anyway).
>
> I would ?very respectfully? suggest that somewhat different wording be
> used if one wants imply that the items for sale aren?t junk.
>
>
>
> 73, Charlie k3ICH
>
>
>
>
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From scott.manthe at gmail.com  Tue May 30 12:47:01 2017
From: scott.manthe at gmail.com (Scott Manthe)
Date: Tue, 30 May 2017 12:47:01 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] Shack cleaning.
In-Reply-To: <CAD4CdTPwmbQQBdkdM-z1yir_GawKU3UrKoG8=45py6uCF97+Fw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <006001d2d946$b3823a00$1a86ae00$@erols.com>
	<CAD4CdTPwmbQQBdkdM-z1yir_GawKU3UrKoG8=45py6uCF97+Fw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <b3b34baa-06cc-8fb2-1f9a-185bbb7f9acb@gmail.com>

Wrong group, Ken...

73,
Scott N9AA

On 5/30/17 12:43 PM, Ken G Kopp wrote:
> Anal retentive comes to mind ... (;-)
>
> Also "petty" ...
>
> K0PP
>
> On May 30, 2017 7:14 AM, "'Charlie T, K3ICH' pincon at erols.com [KX3]" <
> KX3-noreply at yahoogroups.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> You know, when I see the header ?Shack Cleaning?, I have this vision of
>> rooting through a pile of junk sitting on the curb, waiting for the trash
>> man to haul it off to the dump.
>>
>> To me, it certainly does NOT inspire me to want to look.
>>
>> I guess you could interpret the comment as implying very low prices (since
>> they were going to be thrown out anyway).
>>
>> I would ?very respectfully? suggest that somewhat different wording be
>> used if one wants imply that the items for sale aren?t junk.
>>
>>
>>
>> 73, Charlie k3ICH
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> __._,_.___
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From kengkopp at gmail.com  Tue May 30 13:35:10 2017
From: kengkopp at gmail.com (Ken G Kopp)
Date: Tue, 30 May 2017 11:35:10 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] Shack cleaning.
In-Reply-To: <b3b34baa-06cc-8fb2-1f9a-185bbb7f9acb@gmail.com>
References: <006001d2d946$b3823a00$1a86ae00$@erols.com>
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Message-ID: <CAD4CdTNTWW-0rd++1V47wa9eb=cMneWHsQ=33pqiqvkn0F+oWg@mail.gmail.com>

Uh-oh (;-)

I apologise.

73

K0PP




On May 30, 2017 10:47 AM, "Scott Manthe" <scott.manthe at gmail.com> wrote:

Wrong group, Ken...

73,
Scott N9AA

From ctate at ewnetinc.com  Tue May 30 16:13:47 2017
From: ctate at ewnetinc.com (Chris Tate - N6WM)
Date: Tue, 30 May 2017 20:13:47 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] N6WM/KH6 KX2 portable fun
Message-ID: <236350B81BC09D42B8C3B41A97C654DD1D7FA825@AUSP01DAG0504.collaborationhost.net>

All on the week of July 3-7 I am taking my annual trip to KH6 with my kids.  As the boys are playing on the beach I plan to try and operate my KX2 on battery power from Kailua beach, probably several days worth.   there are some nice trees and a park right by the water. I plan to use resonant wires as well as a buddipole I have so I can qsy to the water as needed.

Ill send a reminder right before I leave.. will be fun to test out the KX2 portable and finally get to play with my toy.

Thanks

Chris
N6WM

From kevin at k4vd.net  Tue May 30 17:14:48 2017
From: kevin at k4vd.net (Kevin - K4VD)
Date: Tue, 30 May 2017 17:14:48 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] N6WM/KH6 KX2 portable fun
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Hi Chris... looking forward to trying a VA(KX3) - HI(KX2) QSO. Will
you be working some CW or digital?

I've been working on my checklist for portable ops with the KX3. Maybe
a little OCD but I'm always concerned about getting out in the field
and forgetting something key. My minimal list is:

KX3
License
Logbook
Notebook
Pen
Pencil
Antenna 40/20
Coax jumper
Paddles
Earphones
Hand mic
Mason line
Weight
Spare batteries (AA)

All fits in a small camera bag.

Also, I wonder if there's any concern about sand getting into the KX2.

73,
Kev K4VD

From c-hawley at illinois.edu  Tue May 30 17:36:16 2017
From: c-hawley at illinois.edu (ke9uw)
Date: Tue, 30 May 2017 14:36:16 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Display is Dated...
Message-ID: <1496180176945-7631264.post@n2.nabble.com>

I was wondering if the K3 display could be replaced by an updated display,
one that looks like the ones on the newest rigs from Japan. Could it be
displayed on the monitor connected to the svga on P3? Just wondering :)



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From ki8w at ki8w.com  Tue May 30 17:59:42 2017
From: ki8w at ki8w.com (Thom)
Date: Tue, 30 May 2017 17:59:42 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Display is Dated...
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I was turning the knob on a K3S at Dayton and thought to myself...this 
looks like the display on my 10 year old Kenwood TS-570D.  Come to think 
of it maybe Kenwood needs to update the displays on most of there radios 
too.

73

Thom KI8W



On 5/30/2017 17:36, ke9uw wrote:
> I was wondering if the K3 display could be replaced by an updated display,
> one that looks like the ones on the newest rigs from Japan. Could it be
> displayed on the monitor connected to the svga on P3? Just wondering :)
>
>
>
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> Chuck, KE9UW
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From phystad at mac.com  Tue May 30 18:17:07 2017
From: phystad at mac.com (Phil Hystad)
Date: Tue, 30 May 2017 15:17:07 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Display is Dated...
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Besides my K3 & P3, I also have an Icom IC-7300.  The touch color display of the IC-7300 is essentially the same size as the P3 and I think the P3 is a little tiny bit larger of maybe 1/8th inch larger diagonal measure.  The information on the IC-7300 is basically the same as the combo of the K3 and P3 although different display options (mostly on the 7300) makes this a dubious comparison.

But, I think that the entire P3 display could be used as a full K3+P3 display however I am betting that all the information necessary to drive the K3 display is not available to the P3 and not practical to create an interface to handle it.

My two-bits on the matter.

73, phil, K7PEH


> On May 30, 2017, at 2:59 PM, Thom <ki8w at ki8w.com> wrote:
> 
> I was turning the knob on a K3S at Dayton and thought to myself...this looks like the display on my 10 year old Kenwood TS-570D.  Come to think of it maybe Kenwood needs to update the displays on most of there radios too.
> 
> 73
> 
> Thom KI8W
> 
> 
> 
> On 5/30/2017 17:36, ke9uw wrote:
>> I was wondering if the K3 display could be replaced by an updated display,
>> one that looks like the ones on the newest rigs from Japan. Could it be
>> displayed on the monitor connected to the svga on P3? Just wondering :)
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -----
>> Chuck, KE9UW
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From k6mr at outlook.com  Tue May 30 18:37:05 2017
From: k6mr at outlook.com (Ken K6MR)
Date: Tue, 30 May 2017 22:37:05 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Display is Dated...
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And now for something completely different (regarding K3/P3 displays):
Since I rarely look at the radio display when operating, I don?t need/want fancy colors/fonts/graphics. All I need is Info that is easy to read when I need it. Same for the P3.  Give me what I need with a minimum of fuss.  Also easy to focus on after many hours without sleep.
And please: no touch screens.  The last thing I need is a bunch of greasy fingerprints all over the display.  And I need my hands to stay on the keyboard(s).  Minimal motion and all that stuff.
And the same can be said for P3 mouse point and click. This is radio, not a video game.
And now back to your regular conversation?. ;^)

Ken K6MR

From: Phil Hystad<mailto:phystad at mac.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 3:18 PM
To: Thom<mailto:ki8w at ki8w.com>
Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net<mailto:elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Display is Dated...

Besides my K3 & P3, I also have an Icom IC-7300.  The touch color display of the IC-7300 is essentially the same size as the P3 and I think the P3 is a little tiny bit larger of maybe 1/8th inch larger diagonal measure.  The information on the IC-7300 is basically the same as the combo of the K3 and P3 although different display options (mostly on the 7300) makes this a dubious comparison.

But, I think that the entire P3 display could be used as a full K3+P3 display however I am betting that all the information necessary to drive the K3 display is not available to the P3 and not practical to create an interface to handle it.

My two-bits on the matter.

73, phil, K7PEH


> On May 30, 2017, at 2:59 PM, Thom <ki8w at ki8w.com> wrote:
>
> I was turning the knob on a K3S at Dayton and thought to myself...this looks like the display on my 10 year old Kenwood TS-570D.  Come to think of it maybe Kenwood needs to update the displays on most of there radios too.
>
> 73
>
> Thom KI8W
>
>
>
> On 5/30/2017 17:36, ke9uw wrote:
>> I was wondering if the K3 display could be replaced by an updated display,
>> one that looks like the ones on the newest rigs from Japan. Could it be
>> displayed on the monitor connected to the svga on P3? Just wondering :)
>>
>>
>>
>> -----
>> Chuck, KE9UW
>> --
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From buddy at brannan.name  Tue May 30 18:41:31 2017
From: buddy at brannan.name (Buddy Brannan)
Date: Tue, 30 May 2017 18:41:31 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Display is Dated...
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I was turning the knob on a K3 once a couple years ago and thought, hey, what a smooth turning knob. What a nifty radio. I want one. Not in this lifetime, however, though I'm really enjoying my KX3 and K2. Well...OK...enjoying is probably a stretch, since I need to put up an hf antenna again. 

But, OK, maybe this is just one of those things that I'll just never understand (there are lots), but if the display gives you the information you need, in some legible manner, why does it need changed? Is there something your TS-570 isn't telling you that you just aren't getting by without knowing? Is change for change's sake what we're asking for, or is there something I'm missing (not at all unlikely)? 

"It's a sighted thing, you'd never understand" is a perfectly valid answer here. Probably. 

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> On May 30, 2017, at 5:59 PM, Thom <ki8w at ki8w.com> wrote:
> 
> I was turning the knob on a K3S at Dayton and thought to myself...this looks like the display on my 10 year old Kenwood TS-570D.  Come to think of it maybe Kenwood needs to update the displays on most of there radios too.
> 
> 73
> 
> Thom KI8W
> 
> 
> 
> On 5/30/2017 17:36, ke9uw wrote:
>> I was wondering if the K3 display could be replaced by an updated display,
>> one that looks like the ones on the newest rigs from Japan. Could it be
>> displayed on the monitor connected to the svga on P3? Just wondering :)
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -----
>> Chuck, KE9UW
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From buddy at brannan.name  Tue May 30 18:44:01 2017
From: buddy at brannan.name (Buddy Brannan)
Date: Tue, 30 May 2017 18:44:01 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Display is Dated...
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Huh. Maybe it isn't a sighted thing that I just wouldn't understand after all. Or else Ken is an honorary blind guy. ... 

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Phone: 814-860-3194 
Mobile: 814-431-0962
Email: buddy at brannan.name




> On May 30, 2017, at 6:37 PM, Ken K6MR <k6mr at outlook.com> wrote:
> 
> And now for something completely different (regarding K3/P3 displays):
> Since I rarely look at the radio display when operating, I don?t need/want fancy colors/fonts/graphics. All I need is Info that is easy to read when I need it. Same for the P3.  Give me what I need with a minimum of fuss.  Also easy to focus on after many hours without sleep.
> And please: no touch screens.  The last thing I need is a bunch of greasy fingerprints all over the display.  And I need my hands to stay on the keyboard(s).  Minimal motion and all that stuff.
> And the same can be said for P3 mouse point and click. This is radio, not a video game.
> And now back to your regular conversation?. ;^)
> 
> Ken K6MR
> 
> From: Phil Hystad<mailto:phystad at mac.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 3:18 PM
> To: Thom<mailto:ki8w at ki8w.com>
> Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net<mailto:elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Display is Dated...
> 
> Besides my K3 & P3, I also have an Icom IC-7300.  The touch color display of the IC-7300 is essentially the same size as the P3 and I think the P3 is a little tiny bit larger of maybe 1/8th inch larger diagonal measure.  The information on the IC-7300 is basically the same as the combo of the K3 and P3 although different display options (mostly on the 7300) makes this a dubious comparison.
> 
> But, I think that the entire P3 display could be used as a full K3+P3 display however I am betting that all the information necessary to drive the K3 display is not available to the P3 and not practical to create an interface to handle it.
> 
> My two-bits on the matter.
> 
> 73, phil, K7PEH
> 
> 
>> On May 30, 2017, at 2:59 PM, Thom <ki8w at ki8w.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I was turning the knob on a K3S at Dayton and thought to myself...this looks like the display on my 10 year old Kenwood TS-570D.  Come to think of it maybe Kenwood needs to update the displays on most of there radios too.
>> 
>> 73
>> 
>> Thom KI8W
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 5/30/2017 17:36, ke9uw wrote:
>>> I was wondering if the K3 display could be replaced by an updated display,
>>> one that looks like the ones on the newest rigs from Japan. Could it be
>>> displayed on the monitor connected to the svga on P3? Just wondering :)
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----
>>> Chuck, KE9UW
>>> --
>>> View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-Display-is-Dated-tp7631264.html
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From ctate at ewnetinc.com  Tue May 30 18:47:16 2017
From: ctate at ewnetinc.com (Chris Tate - N6WM)
Date: Tue, 30 May 2017 22:47:16 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] N6WM/KH6 KX2 portable fun
In-Reply-To: <CAFA9ujvPVYHze3yh1ydaPp1H0+KCJ75QCobbO9K1Ti_Y_Kd+GQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Ill be mostly CW and I have a small lenovo laptop that has a nice long lasting battery so I may do some real qrp rtty..  we shall see how that works out...   Last year I went qrv from ZF2 and worked a couple hundred cw qso's in just a few hours with the hosts paddles flipped around backwards to accommodate my left handed fist...(didnt want to rewire a hosts gear.. was just glad for the oppportunity!)

Your list is great, after my last experience, I have developed a couple portable kits depending on where my travels take me. this will be my mini kit that has much of this stuff..  my bigger kits are more K3 friendly with pelican cases and such for all the accessories.  But I have been dying to play with the KX2 and with the primary focus on the kids the mini KX2 kit it is this time... but I will probably bring the buddipole as well.

Should be fun!

Chris
N6WM

________________________________________
From: Kevin - K4VD [kevin at k4vd.net]
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 2:14 PM
To: Chris Tate - N6WM
Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net; chat at ncdxc.org
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] N6WM/KH6 KX2 portable fun

Hi Chris... looking forward to trying a VA(KX3) - HI(KX2) QSO. Will
you be working some CW or digital?

I've been working on my checklist for portable ops with the KX3. Maybe
a little OCD but I'm always concerned about getting out in the field
and forgetting something key. My minimal list is:

KX3
License
Logbook
Notebook
Pen
Pencil
Antenna 40/20
Coax jumper
Paddles
Earphones
Hand mic
Mason line
Weight
Spare batteries (AA)

All fits in a small camera bag.

Also, I wonder if there's any concern about sand getting into the KX2.

73,
Kev K4VD

From n9aa at arrl.net  Tue May 30 18:48:27 2017
From: n9aa at arrl.net (Scott Manthe)
Date: Tue, 30 May 2017 18:48:27 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Display is Dated...
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Remember that the K3 was designed almost 10 years ago to include being a 
nifty QRP/DXpedition rig. I'm guessing the monochrome display saves some 
current over a full-color display.

73,
Scott N9AA


On 5/30/17 5:36 PM, ke9uw wrote:
> I was wondering if the K3 display could be replaced by an updated display,
> one that looks like the ones on the newest rigs from Japan. Could it be
> displayed on the monitor connected to the svga on P3? Just wondering :)
>
>
>
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From k6mr at outlook.com  Tue May 30 18:57:45 2017
From: k6mr at outlook.com (Ken K6MR)
Date: Tue, 30 May 2017 22:57:45 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Display is Dated...
In-Reply-To: <00264623-7DC3-430F-90FA-5B1E5EDBE4E9@brannan.name>
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	<CY4PR13MB1254788BF194A41679029DFF9EF00@CY4PR13MB1254.namprd13.prod.outlook.com>,
	<00264623-7DC3-430F-90FA-5B1E5EDBE4E9@brannan.name>
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Buddy:

Interesting thought.  Could I operate without sight?  Not likely. Especially considering my extremely lousy typing skills. But except for double checking what I typed, 90% of operating is hearing (RTTY excepted, of course). I find the less I share my brain power between visual/audio info the better. I don?t do assisted (no distracting band map) and my favorite contests are Sprints.  Just pure radio with a little technology to record the results.

Getting a bit OT here so I better quit before Eric finds out?.

Ken K6MR

From: Buddy Brannan<mailto:buddy at brannan.name>
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 3:44 PM
To: Ken K6MR<mailto:k6mr at outlook.com>
Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net<mailto:elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Display is Dated...

Huh. Maybe it isn't a sighted thing that I just wouldn't understand after all. Or else Ken is an honorary blind guy. ...

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> On May 30, 2017, at 6:37 PM, Ken K6MR <k6mr at outlook.com> wrote:
>
> And now for something completely different (regarding K3/P3 displays):
> Since I rarely look at the radio display when operating, I don?t need/want fancy colors/fonts/graphics. All I need is Info that is easy to read when I need it. Same for the P3.  Give me what I need with a minimum of fuss.  Also easy to focus on after many hours without sleep.
> And please: no touch screens.  The last thing I need is a bunch of greasy fingerprints all over the display.  And I need my hands to stay on the keyboard(s).  Minimal motion and all that stuff.
> And the same can be said for P3 mouse point and click. This is radio, not a video game.
> And now back to your regular conversation?. ;^)
>
> Ken K6MR
>
> From: Phil Hystad<mailto:phystad at mac.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 3:18 PM
> To: Thom<mailto:ki8w at ki8w.com>
> Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net<mailto:elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Display is Dated...
>
> Besides my K3 & P3, I also have an Icom IC-7300.  The touch color display of the IC-7300 is essentially the same size as the P3 and I think the P3 is a little tiny bit larger of maybe 1/8th inch larger diagonal measure.  The information on the IC-7300 is basically the same as the combo of the K3 and P3 although different display options (mostly on the 7300) makes this a dubious comparison.
>
> But, I think that the entire P3 display could be used as a full K3+P3 display however I am betting that all the information necessary to drive the K3 display is not available to the P3 and not practical to create an interface to handle it.
>
> My two-bits on the matter.
>
> 73, phil, K7PEH
>
>
>> On May 30, 2017, at 2:59 PM, Thom <ki8w at ki8w.com> wrote:
>>
>> I was turning the knob on a K3S at Dayton and thought to myself...this looks like the display on my 10 year old Kenwood TS-570D.  Come to think of it maybe Kenwood needs to update the displays on most of there radios too.
>>
>> 73
>>
>> Thom KI8W
>>
>>
>>
>> On 5/30/2017 17:36, ke9uw wrote:
>>> I was wondering if the K3 display could be replaced by an updated display,
>>> one that looks like the ones on the newest rigs from Japan. Could it be
>>> displayed on the monitor connected to the svga on P3? Just wondering :)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----
>>> Chuck, KE9UW
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From WB4SON at gmail.com  Tue May 30 18:58:18 2017
From: WB4SON at gmail.com (Bob)
Date: Tue, 30 May 2017 18:58:18 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Display is Dated...
In-Reply-To: <00264623-7DC3-430F-90FA-5B1E5EDBE4E9@brannan.name>
References: <1496180176945-7631264.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<4c271c56-8ed8-3a51-84de-f0027da9a447@ki8w.com>
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	<CY4PR13MB1254788BF194A41679029DFF9EF00@CY4PR13MB1254.namprd13.prod.outlook.com>
	<00264623-7DC3-430F-90FA-5B1E5EDBE4E9@brannan.name>
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Everyone is entitled to their opinion, of course, and personally I like the
existing K3/K3s display and its reduced power consumption, and fewer
worries about RFI. The K3 is very power efficient, and that would be lost
with a larger color display.

The K3 is MUCH smaller/lighter than other big desk radios, something else I
like very much, which is part of its appeal for so many DXpeditions.
Those big screen color radios simply don't show up in those environments.

It isn't my company, but I hope Elecraft keeps spending their engineering
resources on functionality rather than bling.

73, Bob, WB4SON








On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 6:44 PM, Buddy Brannan <buddy at brannan.name> wrote:

> Huh. Maybe it isn't a sighted thing that I just wouldn't understand after
> all. Or else Ken is an honorary blind guy. ...
>
> --
> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
> Phone: 814-860-3194
> Mobile: 814-431-0962
> Email: buddy at brannan.name
>
>
>
>
> > On May 30, 2017, at 6:37 PM, Ken K6MR <k6mr at outlook.com> wrote:
> >
> > And now for something completely different (regarding K3/P3 displays):
> > Since I rarely look at the radio display when operating, I don?t
> need/want fancy colors/fonts/graphics. All I need is Info that is easy to
> read when I need it. Same for the P3.  Give me what I need with a minimum
> of fuss.  Also easy to focus on after many hours without sleep.
> > And please: no touch screens.  The last thing I need is a bunch of
> greasy fingerprints all over the display.  And I need my hands to stay on
> the keyboard(s).  Minimal motion and all that stuff.
> > And the same can be said for P3 mouse point and click. This is radio,
> not a video game.
> > And now back to your regular conversation?. ;^)
> >
> > Ken K6MR
> >
> > From: Phil Hystad<mailto:phystad at mac.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 3:18 PM
> > To: Thom<mailto:ki8w at ki8w.com>
> > Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net<mailto:elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Display is Dated...
> >
> > Besides my K3 & P3, I also have an Icom IC-7300.  The touch color
> display of the IC-7300 is essentially the same size as the P3 and I think
> the P3 is a little tiny bit larger of maybe 1/8th inch larger diagonal
> measure.  The information on the IC-7300 is basically the same as the combo
> of the K3 and P3 although different display options (mostly on the 7300)
> makes this a dubious comparison.
> >
> > But, I think that the entire P3 display could be used as a full K3+P3
> display however I am betting that all the information necessary to drive
> the K3 display is not available to the P3 and not practical to create an
> interface to handle it.
> >
> > My two-bits on the matter.
> >
> > 73, phil, K7PEH
> >
> >
> >> On May 30, 2017, at 2:59 PM, Thom <ki8w at ki8w.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> I was turning the knob on a K3S at Dayton and thought to myself...this
> looks like the display on my 10 year old Kenwood TS-570D.  Come to think of
> it maybe Kenwood needs to update the displays on most of there radios too.
> >>
> >> 73
> >>
> >> Thom KI8W
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On 5/30/2017 17:36, ke9uw wrote:
> >>> I was wondering if the K3 display could be replaced by an updated
> display,
> >>> one that looks like the ones on the newest rigs from Japan. Could it be
> >>> displayed on the monitor connected to the svga on P3? Just wondering :)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -----
> >>> Chuck, KE9UW
> >>> --
> >>> View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.
> nabble.com/K3-Display-is-Dated-tp7631264.html
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From dave at nk7z.net  Tue May 30 19:04:53 2017
From: dave at nk7z.net (Dave Cole)
Date: Tue, 30 May 2017 16:04:53 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Display is Dated...
In-Reply-To: <1496180176945-7631264.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1496180176945-7631264.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <dec44684-6c22-2ee8-8421-c56a54018fcb@nk7z.net>

My K3 has a new fresh color display...  I use a computer and a 
Genovation pad to control it...  :)

73s and thanks,
Dave
NK7Z
http://www.nk7z.net

On 05/30/2017 02:36 PM, ke9uw wrote:
> I was wondering if the K3 display could be replaced by an updated display,
> one that looks like the ones on the newest rigs from Japan. Could it be
> displayed on the monitor connected to the svga on P3? Just wondering :)
>
>
>
> -----
> Chuck, KE9UW
> --
> View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-Display-is-Dated-tp7631264.html
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From alorona at sbcglobal.net  Tue May 30 19:19:15 2017
From: alorona at sbcglobal.net (Al Lorona)
Date: Tue, 30 May 2017 23:19:15 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Display is Dated...
In-Reply-To: <CY4PR13MB1254788BF194A41679029DFF9EF00@CY4PR13MB1254.namprd13.prod.outlook.com>
References: <1496180176945-7631264.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<4c271c56-8ed8-3a51-84de-f0027da9a447@ki8w.com>
	<04F51173-687B-4D9B-9420-1904B5A4AEB0@mac.com>
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Message-ID: <1498235947.213344.1496186356000@mail.yahoo.com>

Whenever this thread comes up-- and it has several times before-- I usually point toward the displays on the most advanced commercial aircraft in the skies for comparison. In this context, a pilot needs to know a few (or several) critical pieces of information instantly, and easily, and can't be captivated by eye candy. If your shiny new Kensucom's display looked like this, you probably wouldn't buy it:

http://www.boeing.com/commercial/737max/news/new-flight-deck-displays.page  (watch closely at the 0:43 mark)


A serious ham operator in a DXpedition or major contest effort may have more than a few things in common with a pilot processing all the inputs coming at him from many sources. Perhaps we should be asking, "When will Icom de-clutter it's display to be more like the K3's?"

As for touch screens, a few minutes ago my iPhone wouldn't respond to my finger, no matter what I did, and I was locked out. No thanks... I don't want my pilot (or my 160 meter contest) defeated by a little bit of perspiration or dryness at a crucial moment.

Al  W6LX

From kstover at ac0h.net  Tue May 30 19:45:48 2017
From: kstover at ac0h.net (Kevin Stover, AC0H)
Date: Tue, 30 May 2017 18:45:48 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Display is Dated...
In-Reply-To: <00264623-7DC3-430F-90FA-5B1E5EDBE4E9@brannan.name>
References: <1496180176945-7631264.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<4c271c56-8ed8-3a51-84de-f0027da9a447@ki8w.com>
	<04F51173-687B-4D9B-9420-1904B5A4AEB0@mac.com>
	<CY4PR13MB1254788BF194A41679029DFF9EF00@CY4PR13MB1254.namprd13.prod.outlook.com>
	<00264623-7DC3-430F-90FA-5B1E5EDBE4E9@brannan.name>
Message-ID: <7769eb34-2592-437d-a8cb-cb8fa1b534a7@ac0h.net>

I have low vision.

The absolute worst thing you could do is to change the K3S display.
I need high contrast either a black background and light text or a light 
background and dark text. The K3S's background is light yellow and it 
has black text.

Color displays sure are pretty but normal size text and characters wash 
out. I have special software on this computer that magnifies the screen 
so I can read it. I also run a high contrast theme.

On 5/30/2017 5:44 PM, Buddy Brannan wrote:
> Huh. Maybe it isn't a sighted thing that I just wouldn't understand after all. Or else Ken is an honorary blind guy. ...
> 
> --
> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA
> Phone: 814-860-3194
> Mobile: 814-431-0962
> Email: buddy at brannan.name
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On May 30, 2017, at 6:37 PM, Ken K6MR <k6mr at outlook.com> wrote:
>>
>> And now for something completely different (regarding K3/P3 displays):
>> Since I rarely look at the radio display when operating, I don?t need/want fancy colors/fonts/graphics. All I need is Info that is easy to read when I need it. Same for the P3.  Give me what I need with a minimum of fuss.  Also easy to focus on after many hours without sleep.
>> And please: no touch screens.  The last thing I need is a bunch of greasy fingerprints all over the display.  And I need my hands to stay on the keyboard(s).  Minimal motion and all that stuff.
>> And the same can be said for P3 mouse point and click. This is radio, not a video game.
>> And now back to your regular conversation?. ;^)
>>
>> Ken K6MR
>>
>> From: Phil Hystad<mailto:phystad at mac.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 3:18 PM
>> To: Thom<mailto:ki8w at ki8w.com>
>> Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net<mailto:elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Display is Dated...
>>
>> Besides my K3 & P3, I also have an Icom IC-7300.  The touch color display of the IC-7300 is essentially the same size as the P3 and I think the P3 is a little tiny bit larger of maybe 1/8th inch larger diagonal measure.  The information on the IC-7300 is basically the same as the combo of the K3 and P3 although different display options (mostly on the 7300) makes this a dubious comparison.
>>
>> But, I think that the entire P3 display could be used as a full K3+P3 display however I am betting that all the information necessary to drive the K3 display is not available to the P3 and not practical to create an interface to handle it.
>>
>> My two-bits on the matter.
>>
>> 73, phil, K7PEH
>>
>>
>>> On May 30, 2017, at 2:59 PM, Thom <ki8w at ki8w.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I was turning the knob on a K3S at Dayton and thought to myself...this looks like the display on my 10 year old Kenwood TS-570D.  Come to think of it maybe Kenwood needs to update the displays on most of there radios too.
>>>
>>> 73
>>>
>>> Thom KI8W
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 5/30/2017 17:36, ke9uw wrote:
>>>> I was wondering if the K3 display could be replaced by an updated display,
>>>> one that looks like the ones on the newest rigs from Japan. Could it be
>>>> displayed on the monitor connected to the svga on P3? Just wondering :)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----
>>>> Chuck, KE9UW
>>>> --
>>>> View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-Display-is-Dated-tp7631264.html
>>>> Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
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From romeadows1 at outlook.com  Tue May 30 20:08:26 2017
From: romeadows1 at outlook.com (Roger Meadows)
Date: Wed, 31 May 2017 00:08:26 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Display is Dated...
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	<04F51173-687B-4D9B-9420-1904B5A4AEB0@mac.com>
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When I worked in industrial automation the graphics on the control stations displays were getting fancier and fancier. The fancier they got, the more cluttered than got. Then, the industry as a whole started noting that more accidents were happening and missed alarms. They, because the displays were to cutsie.

What then happened over the next few years and is standard now is very plain graphics and displays so information does not get lost in the clutter.

Thats how I see the displays on the new rigs, cluttered. I like the KX3 display because it is strait to the point. The other great thing is I can go from a KX3 to a KX3 to a K3(s) and know exactly where to find what I?m looking for on the display.

I?d personally keep it the way it is and use the P3/PX3 for the additional information.

Roger
AE4RM

On May 30, 2017, at 6:37 PM, Ken K6MR <k6mr at outlook.com<mailto:k6mr at outlook.com>> wrote:

And now for something completely different (regarding K3/P3 displays):
Since I rarely look at the radio display when operating, I don?t need/want fancy colors/fonts/graphics. All I need is Info that is easy to read when I need it. Same for the P3.  Give me what I need with a minimum of fuss.  Also easy to focus on after many hours without sleep.
And please: no touch screens.  The last thing I need is a bunch of greasy fingerprints all over the display.  And I need my hands to stay on the keyboard(s).  Minimal motion and all that stuff.
And the same can be said for P3 mouse point and click. This is radio, not a video game.
And now back to your regular conversation?. ;^)

Ken K6MR

From: Phil Hystad<mailto:phystad at mac.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 3:18 PM
To: Thom<mailto:ki8w at ki8w.com>
Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net<mailto:elecraft at mailman.qth.net><mailto:elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Display is Dated...

Besides my K3 & P3, I also have an Icom IC-7300.  The touch color display of the IC-7300 is essentially the same size as the P3 and I think the P3 is a little tiny bit larger of maybe 1/8th inch larger diagonal measure.  The information on the IC-7300 is basically the same as the combo of the K3 and P3 although different display options (mostly on the 7300) makes this a dubious comparison.

But, I think that the entire P3 display could be used as a full K3+P3 display however I am betting that all the information necessary to drive the K3 display is not available to the P3 and not practical to create an interface to handle it.

My two-bits on the matter.

73, phil, K7PEH


On May 30, 2017, at 2:59 PM, Thom <ki8w at ki8w.com<mailto:ki8w at ki8w.com>> wrote:

I was turning the knob on a K3S at Dayton and thought to myself...this looks like the display on my 10 year old Kenwood TS-570D. Come to think of it maybe Kenwood needs to update the displays on most of there radios too.

73

Thom KI8W



On 5/30/2017 17:36, ke9uw wrote:
I was wondering if the K3 display could be replaced by an updated display,
one that looks like the ones on the newest rigs from Japan. Could it be
displayed on the monitor connected to the svga on P3? Just wondering :)



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From lister at drumon.com  Tue May 30 20:10:35 2017
From: lister at drumon.com (Rob)
Date: Tue, 30 May 2017 17:10:35 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] WTB: P3 SVGA option
Message-ID: <743228e2-05e6-e671-a530-d55dca67ba13@drumon.com>

Hello Group,


   Just acquired a used P3 and wanted to first check to see if someone 
has an available P3 SVGA board available before buying a new one. 
Unfortunately not enough vision here to see that small display.


Thanks,

Rob  K6DQ

K6DQ at ARRL.net



From k9ztv at socket.net  Tue May 30 20:24:25 2017
From: k9ztv at socket.net (K9ZTV)
Date: Tue, 30 May 2017 19:24:25 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Display is Dated...
In-Reply-To: <CY4PR1201MB0261BC6E4E97570EE7C26FD196F10@CY4PR1201MB0261.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
References: <1496180176945-7631264.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<4c271c56-8ed8-3a51-84de-f0027da9a447@ki8w.com>
	<04F51173-687B-4D9B-9420-1904B5A4AEB0@mac.com>
	<CY4PR13MB1254788BF194A41679029DFF9EF00@CY4PR13MB1254.namprd13.prod.outlook.com>
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One compromise, undoubtedly costly, would be a customisable display like upper-end cars are now wearing.  Users could place whatever indicators they wanted, wherever they wanted, in whatever combination they wanted. 

But I like the Elecraft displays just as they are, for all the reasons others have enumerated, especially the commonality among the various rigs. 

Kent  K9ZTV

From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Tue May 30 20:26:29 2017
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Tue, 30 May 2017 20:26:29 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Display is Dated...
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	<4c271c56-8ed8-3a51-84de-f0027da9a447@ki8w.com>
	<04F51173-687B-4D9B-9420-1904B5A4AEB0@mac.com>
	<CY4PR13MB1254788BF194A41679029DFF9EF00@CY4PR13MB1254.namprd13.prod.outlook.com>
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I have to agree, "the kiss principle" Keep is simple stupid - works 
every time.
While 'glitsy' displays are pretty to watch, they often do not convey 
relevant information, or that information is buried in the 'glitz' and 
not easily recognized at a glance.

The K3, KX3, KX2 displays show the VFO frequency as the predominate 
display with the VFO B as a slightly lesser predominance.  Other 
functions are indicated to tell you what is going on.  Everything needed 
is there.

I have to contrast that to some of the displays I see on my tablet.  I 
have to hunt around the display to find the item of interest.

Touchscreen - no thanks - I would need a stylus and not all stylus 
touches produce the desired action (if my tablet is any example).  That 
uncertainty is not something I need in a radio.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 5/30/2017 8:08 PM, Roger Meadows wrote:
> When I worked in industrial automation the graphics on the control stations displays were getting fancier and fancier. The fancier they got, the more cluttered than got. Then, the industry as a whole started noting that more accidents were happening and missed alarms. They, because the displays were to cutsie.
> 
> What then happened over the next few years and is standard now is very plain graphics and displays so information does not get lost in the clutter.

From k6mr at outlook.com  Tue May 30 20:33:21 2017
From: k6mr at outlook.com (Ken K6MR)
Date: Wed, 31 May 2017 00:33:21 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Display is Dated...
In-Reply-To: <5A2DEC29-633E-4F78-9EB8-C67185ED229A@socket.net>
References: <1496180176945-7631264.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<4c271c56-8ed8-3a51-84de-f0027da9a447@ki8w.com>
	<04F51173-687B-4D9B-9420-1904B5A4AEB0@mac.com>
	<CY4PR13MB1254788BF194A41679029DFF9EF00@CY4PR13MB1254.namprd13.prod.outlook.com>
	<CY4PR1201MB0261BC6E4E97570EE7C26FD196F10@CY4PR1201MB0261.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>,
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Not costly at all. You likely already have it on your desk.  Build whatever fancy screen you want and drive the radio through the control port. Make it touch screen if you like. Big, small, color, whatever you want. The power of software.

I remember one of the first SDR radio boards had an interface that let you move the controls around on the screen. Pretty much build any front  panel layout you wanted.

Ken K6MR

From: K9ZTV<mailto:k9ztv at socket.net>
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 5:25 PM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net<mailto:elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Display is Dated...

One compromise, undoubtedly costly, would be a customisable display like upper-end cars are now wearing.  Users could place whatever indicators they wanted, wherever they wanted, in whatever combination they wanted.

But I like the Elecraft displays just as they are, for all the reasons others have enumerated, especially the commonality among the various rigs.

Kent  K9ZTV
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From kevin at k4vd.net  Tue May 30 20:47:08 2017
From: kevin at k4vd.net (Kevin - K4VD)
Date: Tue, 30 May 2017 20:47:08 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Display is Dated...
In-Reply-To: <eb99c98a-f4cb-f45e-a540-12747c0a0143@embarqmail.com>
References: <1496180176945-7631264.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<4c271c56-8ed8-3a51-84de-f0027da9a447@ki8w.com>
	<04F51173-687B-4D9B-9420-1904B5A4AEB0@mac.com>
	<CY4PR13MB1254788BF194A41679029DFF9EF00@CY4PR13MB1254.namprd13.prod.outlook.com>
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	<eb99c98a-f4cb-f45e-a540-12747c0a0143@embarqmail.com>
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Keep it simple? Like a crystal radio?

On my KX3 I want a full heads-up display. It should have virtual
reality goggles tied to Google Earth so I can fly to your
neighborhood, check out your antenna farm and make recommendations for
improvements. I want to visualize the path my radio waves take to get
to the DX I want and be able to tweak the ionosphere for maximum S/N
at the distant end. Ideally I should have control of the DX station's
rotator. Every time I make contact with someone I want to see a 3D
starfield fly by to give me the impression of actually going
somewhere. And I want it all done in fluorescent orange and black.

Actually, it's kind of nice to get a refresh every so often. The thing
is, if there were some sort of front panel updates it really wouldn't
affect all those who currently have a radio, right? Not like our radio
is going to morph over night or anything.

73,
Kev K4VD


On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 8:26 PM, Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com> wrote:
> I have to agree, "the kiss principle" Keep is simple stupid - works every
> time.
> While 'glitsy' displays are pretty to watch, they often do not convey
> relevant information, or that information is buried in the 'glitz' and not
> easily recognized at a glance.
>
> The K3, KX3, KX2 displays show the VFO frequency as the predominate display
> with the VFO B as a slightly lesser predominance.  Other functions are
> indicated to tell you what is going on.  Everything needed is there.
>
> I have to contrast that to some of the displays I see on my tablet.  I have
> to hunt around the display to find the item of interest.
>
> Touchscreen - no thanks - I would need a stylus and not all stylus touches
> produce the desired action (if my tablet is any example).  That uncertainty
> is not something I need in a radio.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 5/30/2017 8:08 PM, Roger Meadows wrote:
>>
>> When I worked in industrial automation the graphics on the control
>> stations displays were getting fancier and fancier. The fancier they got,
>> the more cluttered than got. Then, the industry as a whole started noting
>> that more accidents were happening and missed alarms. They, because the
>> displays were to cutsie.
>>
>> What then happened over the next few years and is standard now is very
>> plain graphics and displays so information does not get lost in the clutter.
>
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From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Tue May 30 20:52:58 2017
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Tue, 30 May 2017 20:52:58 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Display is Dated...
In-Reply-To: <5A2DEC29-633E-4F78-9EB8-C67185ED229A@socket.net>
References: <1496180176945-7631264.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<4c271c56-8ed8-3a51-84de-f0027da9a447@ki8w.com>
	<04F51173-687B-4D9B-9420-1904B5A4AEB0@mac.com>
	<CY4PR13MB1254788BF194A41679029DFF9EF00@CY4PR13MB1254.namprd13.prod.outlook.com>
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Kent,

While that is a good feature for autos, it does take some time and 
trouble to set up as the user desires.

I did recently purchase an upper-end car and after over a month I have 
not done too much display customization.  The simple things are the most 
important to me.  Other stuff is just a bit of glitz along with 
resulting clutter of the displays.

Sometimes too much information for the task at hand is a distraction.

73,
Don W3FPR


On 5/30/2017 8:24 PM, K9ZTV wrote:
> One compromise, undoubtedly costly, would be a customisable display like upper-end cars are now wearing.  Users could place whatever indicators they wanted, wherever they wanted, in whatever combination they wanted.
> 
> But I like the Elecraft displays just as they are, for all the reasons others have enumerated, especially the commonality among the various rigs.
> 

From alsopb at comcast.net  Tue May 30 21:00:50 2017
From: alsopb at comcast.net (brian)
Date: Wed, 31 May 2017 01:00:50 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Display is Dated...
In-Reply-To: <eb99c98a-f4cb-f45e-a540-12747c0a0143@embarqmail.com>
References: <1496180176945-7631264.post@n2.nabble.com>	<4c271c56-8ed8-3a51-84de-f0027da9a447@ki8w.com>	<04F51173-687B-4D9B-9420-1904B5A4AEB0@mac.com>	<CY4PR13MB1254788BF194A41679029DFF9EF00@CY4PR13MB1254.namprd13.prod.outlook.com>	<CY4PR1201MB0261BC6E4E97570EE7C26FD196F10@CY4PR1201MB0261.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
	<eb99c98a-f4cb-f45e-a540-12747c0a0143@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <592E15C2.8080908@comcast.net>

Don,

Agree.  However, there is a need to update the "displays" for functions 
that were shoe horned into the K3 well after the display was cast in 
concrete.

Things like a flashing decimal point.  What the heck does that mean?
There are about a dozen such "non-intuitive" displays which could 
benefit from some more obvious icon.

It would also be nice if the DATA display would actually tell us which 
K3 data mode is being used.

The chief beneficiaries would be people who use the K3 stand alone with 
no computer.  Logging programs generally solve the above problems.

73 de Brian/K3KO



On 5/31/2017 0:26 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
> I have to agree, "the kiss principle" Keep is simple stupid - works
> every time.
> While 'glitsy' displays are pretty to watch, they often do not convey
> relevant information, or that information is buried in the 'glitz' and
> not easily recognized at a glance.
>
> The K3, KX3, KX2 displays show the VFO frequency as the predominate
> display with the VFO B as a slightly lesser predominance.  Other
> functions are indicated to tell you what is going on.  Everything needed
> is there.
>
> I have to contrast that to some of the displays I see on my tablet.  I
> have to hunt around the display to find the item of interest.
>
> Touchscreen - no thanks - I would need a stylus and not all stylus
> touches produce the desired action (if my tablet is any example).  That
> uncertainty is not something I need in a radio.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 5/30/2017 8:08 PM, Roger Meadows wrote:
>> When I worked in industrial automation the graphics on the control
>> stations displays were getting fancier and fancier. The fancier they
>> got, the more cluttered than got. Then, the industry as a whole
>> started noting that more accidents were happening and missed alarms.
>> They, because the displays were to cutsie.
>>
>> What then happened over the next few years and is standard now is very
>> plain graphics and displays so information does not get lost in the
>> clutter.
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From vk2pn at bigpond.net.au  Tue May 30 21:09:01 2017
From: vk2pn at bigpond.net.au (Patrick Novak)
Date: Wed, 31 May 2017 11:09:01 +1000
Subject: [Elecraft] My comment to the K3 Display is dated.
Message-ID: <cd9f1607-cc70-1065-c76e-88db542def00@bigpond.net.au>

Ladies and gentlemen

Maria Callas and Joan Sutherland were not the most attractive of women, 
but by Jove they could sing.

Patrick VK2PN

just recovering from WPX CW of 48 hours of practically no sleep.

From wglevy at gmail.com  Tue May 30 21:08:17 2017
From: wglevy at gmail.com (William Levy)
Date: Tue, 30 May 2017 19:08:17 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 display is dated.
Message-ID: <CAGAru0_5njLDgo6sGogtFLLW2ZDQRxxMXDuUVh1QR0zC1kom-g@mail.gmail.com>

Gents,

I don't care about the display. I care about how the radio works. How it
hears and how it talks.
How it works in contest or expedition environments. If display is that
important you buy a FLEX and it's as big as can be.

Bill N2WL

From ewinginator at gmail.com  Tue May 30 21:50:50 2017
From: ewinginator at gmail.com (Jim Ewing)
Date: Tue, 30 May 2017 21:50:50 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft]  K3 Display is Dated. . .
Message-ID: <CA+6T3FvtHKU9CVkA-HiNL_MubziTO7ux2ffz9+v7-PBP6+DLDw@mail.gmail.com>

With all due respect, I think the K3/P3 is a classic design, including the
man-machine interface.  Not a square nanometer of wasted real estate,
everything is where I need it the most and when I need it quickly.
Graphics, interactivity, not too much, not too little, just the right
touch.  It is quite clear that a great deal of thought and iteration went
into laying it out.  In that sense, it's like my Collins S-Line, another
obviously well thought-out intuitive classic design that is a delight to
operate.  So bedecking either of these with a multicolor touch screen is
not something that appeals to me personally.  Jim Ewing N4TMM



On May 30, 2017, at 5:59 PM, Thom <ki8w at ki8w.com> wrote:
>
> I was turning the knob on a K3S at Dayton and thought to myself...this
looks like the display on my 10 year old Kenwood TS-570D.  Come to think of
it maybe Kenwood needs to update the displays on most of there radios too.
>
> 73
>
> Thom KI8W

From lromero56 at tampabay.rr.com  Tue May 30 21:58:43 2017
From: lromero56 at tampabay.rr.com (Luis V. Romero)
Date: Tue, 30 May 2017 21:58:43 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Display is Dated...
Message-ID: <000901d2d9b1$6ee8e040$4cbaa0c0$@tampabay.rr.com>

I completely agree with Ken K6MR! 

I rarely, if ever, touch the radio. I sometimes twirl the main VFO knobs,
but frankly, out of habit.

90% of my interface is via the computer keyboard (N1MMLogger +. Oh, yes, I'm
one of those "Durn Contesters!").  

But there are very interesting things on the horizon. 

I had a very long talk with Tom Wagner, N1MM at the Dayton Contest Suite
Friday night while Spurious Emissions played in the other room.  He showed
me his new Logger feature: I call it "Active Bandmap".  It's a bandmap
window that integrates live information from an Icom 7300 spectrum display
and the spotting network data and displays it, dynamically, right on the
logger screen.  It integrates spots, signal strength and labels the pips
with the callsign from spot data.  

I have a friend with a 7300 and will start playing with this feature next
week (I have a repeater to install this week <sigh>).

This, folks, is what I attempt to do on my P3 display (I do not have the VGA
option, it doesn't do much for me). Marker A. Twist the P3 knob. Drop Marker
A on a pip. Push the knob in. Call the station. Repeat.  But don't do it as
much as I want to as it takes my hands off the keyboard.

I have *ALWAYS* wanted to be able to do this right on the N1MMLogger screen,
under N1MMLogger *KEYBOARD* control (Shift Up Arrow/Shift Down Arrow. I'm
not much of a mouser.).  Tom has implemented the functionality EXACTLY as I
envisioned it. But it currently works only on an Icom 7300 and, in the
future, other similar Icom transceivers. (Yes, I know Flex rigs can do this:
No I don't think their receivers and Maestro's touch screen workflow are not
up to the challenge. yet.) 

I am aware that details towards the implementation of this functionality has
been made known to Elecraft. Tom basically has developed an "API" that
defines how to format serial data to create a similar display from any
modern Panadaptor display equipped transceiver with serial or "faux" serial
over USB communications capability.  

I would recommend that the contest ops among us (and others who like this
kind of stuff) investigate this functionality in N1MMLogger + and see how it
may improve your Search and Pounce workflow efficiency.  

I also *strongly* encourage Wayne and Eric and the Elecraft Product Managers
to start down the road of implementing this functionality before
Icom/Somebody else comes out with a radio that challenges K3's performance
capability.  

73

Lu Romero - W4LT
Tampa, FL
 

From vk5zm at bistre.net  Tue May 30 23:10:00 2017
From: vk5zm at bistre.net (Matthew Cook)
Date: Wed, 31 May 2017 12:40:00 +0930
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Display is Dated...
In-Reply-To: <000901d2d9b1$6ee8e040$4cbaa0c0$@tampabay.rr.com>
References: <000901d2d9b1$6ee8e040$4cbaa0c0$@tampabay.rr.com>
Message-ID: <CAE+2d_11dEQRKPUy7oXEPVFw-QfvdS-Zbr1kgCWc30+jPfKD-A@mail.gmail.com>

Good to see this functionality being added to N1MM, with luck some of the
SDR developers will pick this up and it can be implemented externally to
the K-line.

To be honest for situational awareness during a contest having a 24"
monitor with 2.5M or more pixels (or larger) above the desk fed with an SDR
that's sitting in the RX Loop of the K3 monitoring the entire HF band
(>300kHz) gives you both the resolution bandwidth AND video bandwidth
necessary to process this information.

I've seen a similar concept in one of the Mac based loggers (MacLoggerDX?)
where spots are placed across a pseudo frequency dial, it doesn't take long
on a low res screen for it to become unreadable and unusable.

The additional info from N1MM on top of a waterfall display will make this
all the better for search and pounce contest operation.  This feature is
one of the situations where size does matter.

73

Matthew
VK5ZM

On 31 May 2017 at 11:28, Luis V. Romero <lromero56 at tampabay.rr.com> wrote:

> I completely agree with Ken K6MR!
>
> I rarely, if ever, touch the radio. I sometimes twirl the main VFO knobs,
> but frankly, out of habit.
>
> 90% of my interface is via the computer keyboard (N1MMLogger +. Oh, yes,
> I'm
> one of those "Durn Contesters!").
>
> But there are very interesting things on the horizon.
>
> I had a very long talk with Tom Wagner, N1MM at the Dayton Contest Suite
> Friday night while Spurious Emissions played in the other room.  He showed
> me his new Logger feature: I call it "Active Bandmap".  It's a bandmap
> window that integrates live information from an Icom 7300 spectrum display
> and the spotting network data and displays it, dynamically, right on the
> logger screen.  It integrates spots, signal strength and labels the pips
> with the callsign from spot data.
>
> I have a friend with a 7300 and will start playing with this feature next
> week (I have a repeater to install this week <sigh>).
>
> This, folks, is what I attempt to do on my P3 display (I do not have the
> VGA
> option, it doesn't do much for me). Marker A. Twist the P3 knob. Drop
> Marker
> A on a pip. Push the knob in. Call the station. Repeat.  But don't do it as
> much as I want to as it takes my hands off the keyboard.
>
> I have *ALWAYS* wanted to be able to do this right on the N1MMLogger
> screen,
> under N1MMLogger *KEYBOARD* control (Shift Up Arrow/Shift Down Arrow. I'm
> not much of a mouser.).  Tom has implemented the functionality EXACTLY as I
> envisioned it. But it currently works only on an Icom 7300 and, in the
> future, other similar Icom transceivers. (Yes, I know Flex rigs can do
> this:
> No I don't think their receivers and Maestro's touch screen workflow are
> not
> up to the challenge. yet.)
>
> I am aware that details towards the implementation of this functionality
> has
> been made known to Elecraft. Tom basically has developed an "API" that
> defines how to format serial data to create a similar display from any
> modern Panadaptor display equipped transceiver with serial or "faux" serial
> over USB communications capability.
>
> I would recommend that the contest ops among us (and others who like this
> kind of stuff) investigate this functionality in N1MMLogger + and see how
> it
> may improve your Search and Pounce workflow efficiency.
>
> I also *strongly* encourage Wayne and Eric and the Elecraft Product
> Managers
> to start down the road of implementing this functionality before
> Icom/Somebody else comes out with a radio that challenges K3's performance
> capability.
>
> 73
>
> Lu Romero - W4LT
> Tampa, FL
>
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From nr4c at widomaker.com  Wed May 31 00:03:01 2017
From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c)
Date: Wed, 31 May 2017 00:03:01 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Display is Dated...
In-Reply-To: <592E15C2.8080908@comcast.net>
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I'm not sure why users get so involved in a discussion on topics like this. The amber LCD display is part of the Elecraft image. They use it on the K3, KX2, KX3 and K3S. It's not going to change so pick another battle!  One you can win. 

Or, wait for the K4 in a couple years and it will likely have all or most features that have been suggested but never added to the K3 line. 

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill


> On May 30, 2017, at 9:00 PM, brian <alsopb at comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> Don,
> 
> Agree.  However, there is a need to update the "displays" for functions that were shoe horned into the K3 well after the display was cast in concrete.
> 
> Things like a flashing decimal point.  What the heck does that mean?
> There are about a dozen such "non-intuitive" displays which could benefit from some more obvious icon.
> 
> It would also be nice if the DATA display would actually tell us which K3 data mode is being used.
> 
> The chief beneficiaries would be people who use the K3 stand alone with no computer.  Logging programs generally solve the above problems.
> 
> 73 de Brian/K3KO
> 
> 
> 
>> On 5/31/2017 0:26 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
>> I have to agree, "the kiss principle" Keep is simple stupid - works
>> every time.
>> While 'glitsy' displays are pretty to watch, they often do not convey
>> relevant information, or that information is buried in the 'glitz' and
>> not easily recognized at a glance.
>> 
>> The K3, KX3, KX2 displays show the VFO frequency as the predominate
>> display with the VFO B as a slightly lesser predominance.  Other
>> functions are indicated to tell you what is going on.  Everything needed
>> is there.
>> 
>> I have to contrast that to some of the displays I see on my tablet.  I
>> have to hunt around the display to find the item of interest.
>> 
>> Touchscreen - no thanks - I would need a stylus and not all stylus
>> touches produce the desired action (if my tablet is any example).  That
>> uncertainty is not something I need in a radio.
>> 
>> 73,


From gthornton at thorntonmostullaw.com  Wed May 31 00:15:08 2017
From: gthornton at thorntonmostullaw.com (George Thornton)
Date: Wed, 31 May 2017 04:15:08 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Display is Dated. . .
In-Reply-To: <CA+6T3FvtHKU9CVkA-HiNL_MubziTO7ux2ffz9+v7-PBP6+DLDw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+6T3FvtHKU9CVkA-HiNL_MubziTO7ux2ffz9+v7-PBP6+DLDw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <39df198f5ebe48fb98b4f4c37d4206d6@Server.thorntonmostullaw.com>

I agree with this assessment.

I like the Elecraft solution.  The K3 screen gives you clearly and simply what you need to know at a glance.  No fuss and always there for you.

You want a screen with a lot of other information including a band scope, put it in a separate box.  That leaves you free to innovate and add features as you want without tampering with the main information screen on the K3.

Most importantly make it reliable and make it work practically without the need to add a computer to the mix.





From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jim Ewing
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 6:51 PM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Display is Dated. . .

With all due respect, I think the K3/P3 is a classic design, including the
man-machine interface. Not a square nanometer of wasted real estate,
everything is where I need it the most and when I need it quickly.
Graphics, interactivity, not too much, not too little, just the right
touch. It is quite clear that a great deal of thought and iteration went
into laying it out. In that sense, it's like my Collins S-Line, another
obviously well thought-out intuitive classic design that is a delight to
operate. So bedecking either of these with a multicolor touch screen is
not something that appeals to me personally. Jim Ewing N4TMM



On May 30, 2017, at 5:59 PM, Thom <ki8w at ki8w.com><mailto:ki8w at ki8w.com%3e> wrote:
>
> I was turning the knob on a K3S at Dayton and thought to myself...this
looks like the display on my 10 year old Kenwood TS-570D. Come to think of
it maybe Kenwood needs to update the displays on most of there radios too.
>
> 73
>
> Thom KI8W
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From ebasilier at cox.net  Wed May 31 02:06:36 2017
From: ebasilier at cox.net (Erik Basilier)
Date: Tue, 30 May 2017 23:06:36 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Display is Dated...
In-Reply-To: <SrBC1v00X45oxQM01rBD5G>
References: <000901d2d9b1$6ee8e040$4cbaa0c0$@tampabay.rr.com>
	<SrBC1v00X45oxQM01rBD5G>
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Controls: There are some people for whom everything ought to be controlled
from a general purpose computer, but I think most Elecrafters agree that
"real knobs" are better, and Elecraft has done a superb job in judging what
variables are deserving of the real knob approach. There will always be
things that can be relegated to menus, but to think that touch screens would
make it acceptable to hide more adjustments in menus would be a mistake.
Lots of people seem to find that the IC-7300 menus are a big pain.

Display size: There are good reasons not to make the display bigger:
*  I appreciate the modest size and weight of the current K3(s). A bigger
display would require a bigger front panel. 
* As others have said: unneeded clutter is distracting. Revealing personal
deficiencies is not pleasant, but I cannot resist. At my age I more and more
experience situations like the following. I go into the kitchen to get a
pair of scissors that reside on the countertop. The scissors have bright
orange handles, and are the only object with such color. The countertop also
has a number of knives and other kitchen implements on it. I stare but don't
immediately find the scissors. Or I may be reading a newspaper when I am
interrupted by a phone call. Years ago, after the phone call my focus goes
back to the paper, and magically, without effort, my eyes would go
immediately to the paragraph and sentence where I had left off. Somehow,
subconsciously, my brain had recorded information about the surrounding text
and so also recorded exactly where I left off. That rarely happens any more,
so I end up spending time searching for where I was. We don't want that to
happen as our gaze moves back and forth between the radio display and the
contest computer screen, or even when looking back and forth between
different items on the radio screen. Another example is reading world news
on the web. It has become very popular to present news items as a
two-dimensional clutter of images, each of which represents a news item. It
makes me confused about which of the items I have already looked at. So much
better to see a one-dimensional bullet list. Yes, the existing K3 display
can also be perceived as a confusing clutter, even if one is familiar with
the displayed items. I would not want to lose any of the displayed items
though. I do wish some of the front panel hardware buttons had different
colors. After a decade of using the K3, I still have to read the labels on
the BAND, MODE and POWER buttons to make sure I push the right one.

Display content: It is very helpful to find the same information in the same
places over the long term. Software developers (I used to be one) like to be
able to create "a new fresh look" every now and then. The fixed format of
the K3(s) LCD is wonderful for preventing such abuse. Nevertheless, I would
consider it an improvement to use a dot-matrix display that can be changed,
as long as that freedom is not used often. The selectivity graphics could be
improved. There could be more specific informaton about the new preamp
settings. Integration between radio and amplifier, while good today, could
go even further. When we are used to press a single button to run the ATU
for a new frequency, do we have to use more than one button after the
amplifier with its ATU is added? (Yeah, I know you don't really have to do
that every day if you rely on the memories, but that is beside the point.)
It would be nice if the radio display could show the amplifier output power.
Etc. Achieving better integration would probably require hardware changes
beyond the display screen, but when we are talking about changing the
display we are already talking about hardware changes in a new model radio.
Do I mean to say that the current display provides all the information we
need? Absolutely not, but the radio is made to suit a wide variety of use
cases. As others have said, a PC display can provide additonal information,
and it can be tailored to be optimal for a specific purpose, such as
contesting. Trying to provide all the information for all types of use on a
single screen is a recipe for hopeless clutter. Configurability is a nice
idea, but I wouldn't personally want to spend the time to use it for most
things. Life is too short to keep reinventing the wheel that others have
spent many hours on, and then save and backup my personal choices,
especially for the basic display items that most everyone needs. Having the
spectrum on a separate device such as the P3 is to me a positive, as the
very different look of the screen helps the brain go to the correct screen
without thinking, while avoiding having to search among many items on a
given screen. That said, the separate spectrum screen could be even more
useful by showing more spectrum-related information, including even spots
from an external program such as a contest logger.

Display color: Adding color to the radio display could be useful in helping
the eye find and return to specific items. However the implementer would
have to be very careful, as many people are to some degree color blind, and
the worst case is where a display item would look too dim to an affected
individual. I believe my vision is normal, but many times I run across a web
page using a lot of deep blue text that seems so dark as to be almost
unreadable. I would not be surprised if some buyers of currently available
radios with colorful displays find some particular colors annoying. Maybe
color is one case where configurability would make sense: Use knob to move
through all display fields, and for the currently highlighted field let the
user rotate through a number of possible color selections. 

73,
Erik K7TV


-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net
[mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Matthew Cook
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 8:10 PM
To: lromero56 at tampabay.rr.com
Cc: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Display is Dated...

Good to see this functionality being added to N1MM, with luck some of the
SDR developers will pick this up and it can be implemented externally to the
K-line.

To be honest for situational awareness during a contest having a 24"
monitor with 2.5M or more pixels (or larger) above the desk fed with an SDR
that's sitting in the RX Loop of the K3 monitoring the entire HF band
(>300kHz) gives you both the resolution bandwidth AND video bandwidth
necessary to process this information.

I've seen a similar concept in one of the Mac based loggers (MacLoggerDX?)
where spots are placed across a pseudo frequency dial, it doesn't take long
on a low res screen for it to become unreadable and unusable.

The additional info from N1MM on top of a waterfall display will make this
all the better for search and pounce contest operation.  This feature is one
of the situations where size does matter.

73

Matthew
VK5ZM

On 31 May 2017 at 11:28, Luis V. Romero <lromero56 at tampabay.rr.com> wrote:

> I completely agree with Ken K6MR!
>
> I rarely, if ever, touch the radio. I sometimes twirl the main VFO 
> knobs, but frankly, out of habit.
>
> 90% of my interface is via the computer keyboard (N1MMLogger +. Oh, 
> yes, I'm one of those "Durn Contesters!").
>
> But there are very interesting things on the horizon.
>
> I had a very long talk with Tom Wagner, N1MM at the Dayton Contest 
> Suite Friday night while Spurious Emissions played in the other room.  
> He showed me his new Logger feature: I call it "Active Bandmap".  It's 
> a bandmap window that integrates live information from an Icom 7300 
> spectrum display and the spotting network data and displays it, 
> dynamically, right on the logger screen.  It integrates spots, signal 
> strength and labels the pips with the callsign from spot data.
>
> I have a friend with a 7300 and will start playing with this feature 
> next week (I have a repeater to install this week <sigh>).
>
> This, folks, is what I attempt to do on my P3 display (I do not have 
> the VGA option, it doesn't do much for me). Marker A. Twist the P3 
> knob. Drop Marker A on a pip. Push the knob in. Call the station. 
> Repeat.  But don't do it as much as I want to as it takes my hands off 
> the keyboard.
>
> I have *ALWAYS* wanted to be able to do this right on the N1MMLogger 
> screen, under N1MMLogger *KEYBOARD* control (Shift Up Arrow/Shift Down 
> Arrow. I'm not much of a mouser.).  Tom has implemented the 
> functionality EXACTLY as I envisioned it. But it currently works only 
> on an Icom 7300 and, in the future, other similar Icom transceivers. 
> (Yes, I know Flex rigs can do
> this:
> No I don't think their receivers and Maestro's touch screen workflow 
> are not up to the challenge. yet.)
>
> I am aware that details towards the implementation of this 
> functionality has been made known to Elecraft. Tom basically has 
> developed an "API" that defines how to format serial data to create a 
> similar display from any modern Panadaptor display equipped 
> transceiver with serial or "faux" serial over USB communications 
> capability.
>
> I would recommend that the contest ops among us (and others who like 
> this kind of stuff) investigate this functionality in N1MMLogger + and 
> see how it may improve your Search and Pounce workflow efficiency.
>
> I also *strongly* encourage Wayne and Eric and the Elecraft Product 
> Managers to start down the road of implementing this functionality 
> before Icom/Somebody else comes out with a radio that challenges K3's 
> performance capability.
>
> 73
>
> Lu Romero - W4LT
> Tampa, FL
>
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From K2TK at att.net  Wed May 31 02:22:09 2017
From: K2TK at att.net (Bob)
Date: Wed, 31 May 2017 02:22:09 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Display is Dated...
In-Reply-To: <79103237-2529-468A-BDF5-A21D708A4EBB@widomaker.com>
References: <1496180176945-7631264.post@n2.nabble.com>
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	<04F51173-687B-4D9B-9420-1904B5A4AEB0@mac.com>
	<CY4PR13MB1254788BF194A41679029DFF9EF00@CY4PR13MB1254.namprd13.prod.outlook.com>
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Message-ID: <fbc2ced1-bc56-2d7a-533f-1b6fce53c367@att.net>

Looks like there is a winner somewhere.  The Image is changing. Look at the 
display in the KPA1500.

A preview of something to match?

73,
Bob
K2TK ex KN2TKR (1956) & K2TKR




On 5/31/2017 12:03 AM, Nr4c wrote:
> I'm not sure why users get so involved in a discussion on topics like this. The amber LCD display is part of the Elecraft image. They use it on the K3, KX2, KX3 and K3S. It's not going to change so pick another battle!  One you can win.
> 
> Or, wait for the K4 in a couple years and it will likely have all or most features that have been suggested but never added to the K3 line.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> ..nr4c. bill
> 
> 
>> On May 30, 2017, at 9:00 PM, brian <alsopb at comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>> Don,
>>
>> Agree.  However, there is a need to update the "displays" for functions that were shoe horned into the K3 well after the display was cast in concrete.
>>
>> Things like a flashing decimal point.  What the heck does that mean?
>> There are about a dozen such "non-intuitive" displays which could benefit from some more obvious icon.
>>
>> It would also be nice if the DATA display would actually tell us which K3 data mode is being used.
>>
>> The chief beneficiaries would be people who use the K3 stand alone with no computer.  Logging programs generally solve the above problems.
>>
>> 73 de Brian/K3KO
>>
>>
>>
>>> On 5/31/2017 0:26 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
>>> I have to agree, "the kiss principle" Keep is simple stupid - works
>>> every time.
>>> While 'glitsy' displays are pretty to watch, they often do not convey
>>> relevant information, or that information is buried in the 'glitz' and
>>> not easily recognized at a glance.
>>>
>>> The K3, KX3, KX2 displays show the VFO frequency as the predominate
>>> display with the VFO B as a slightly lesser predominance.  Other
>>> functions are indicated to tell you what is going on.  Everything needed
>>> is there.
>>>
>>> I have to contrast that to some of the displays I see on my tablet.  I
>>> have to hunt around the display to find the item of interest.
>>>
>>> Touchscreen - no thanks - I would need a stylus and not all stylus
>>> touches produce the desired action (if my tablet is any example).  That
>>> uncertainty is not something I need in a radio.
>>>
>>> 73,

From ebasilier at cox.net  Wed May 31 05:46:16 2017
From: ebasilier at cox.net (Erik Basilier)
Date: Wed, 31 May 2017 02:46:16 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Display is Dated...
In-Reply-To: <SuPF1v02Y45oxQM01uPHlC>
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	<SuPF1v02Y45oxQM01uPHlC>
Message-ID: <06ff01d2d9f2$bf6b29b0$3e417d10$@cox.net>

Just for the record, when I refer to a possible dot matrix display for a
radio, I envision something with the resolution of an iPad, i.e. you can't
see the dots, and it can be made to look exactly like the current display.

73,
Erik

-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net
[mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Bob
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 11:22 PM
To: Nr4c <nr4c at widomaker.com>
Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Display is Dated...

Looks like there is a winner somewhere.  The Image is changing. Look at the
display in the KPA1500.

A preview of something to match?

73,
Bob
K2TK ex KN2TKR (1956) & K2TKR




On 5/31/2017 12:03 AM, Nr4c wrote:
> I'm not sure why users get so involved in a discussion on topics like
this. The amber LCD display is part of the Elecraft image. They use it on
the K3, KX2, KX3 and K3S. It's not going to change so pick another battle!
One you can win.
> 
> Or, wait for the K4 in a couple years and it will likely have all or most
features that have been suggested but never added to the K3 line.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> ..nr4c. bill
> 
> 
>> On May 30, 2017, at 9:00 PM, brian <alsopb at comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>> Don,
>>
>> Agree.  However, there is a need to update the "displays" for functions
that were shoe horned into the K3 well after the display was cast in
concrete.
>>
>> Things like a flashing decimal point.  What the heck does that mean?
>> There are about a dozen such "non-intuitive" displays which could benefit
from some more obvious icon.
>>
>> It would also be nice if the DATA display would actually tell us which K3
data mode is being used.
>>
>> The chief beneficiaries would be people who use the K3 stand alone with
no computer.  Logging programs generally solve the above problems.
>>
>> 73 de Brian/K3KO
>>
>>
>>
>>> On 5/31/2017 0:26 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
>>> I have to agree, "the kiss principle" Keep is simple stupid - works 
>>> every time.
>>> While 'glitsy' displays are pretty to watch, they often do not 
>>> convey relevant information, or that information is buried in the 
>>> 'glitz' and not easily recognized at a glance.
>>>
>>> The K3, KX3, KX2 displays show the VFO frequency as the predominate 
>>> display with the VFO B as a slightly lesser predominance.  Other 
>>> functions are indicated to tell you what is going on.  Everything 
>>> needed is there.
>>>
>>> I have to contrast that to some of the displays I see on my tablet.  
>>> I have to hunt around the display to find the item of interest.
>>>
>>> Touchscreen - no thanks - I would need a stylus and not all stylus 
>>> touches produce the desired action (if my tablet is any example).  
>>> That uncertainty is not something I need in a radio.
>>>
>>> 73,
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From k1dj at aol.com  Wed May 31 05:49:07 2017
From: k1dj at aol.com (k1dj at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 31 May 2017 05:49:07 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S oscillation issue
Message-ID: <15c5de8a691-67f3-226ab@webprd-a19.mail.aol.com>

My recent model K3S feeds a SteppIR 3-element beam with the 30/40 meter trombone-shaped driven element on a (short) 40-foot tower.  Thanks to the SteppIR's tuneability, the SWR is always at or close to 1:1.  I operate primarily CW, primarily using the internal keyer.

I have noticed that on 20 meters, primarily, but not only, when I am sending a contest-type message from the K3S's internal memories, the rig occasionally seems to go into some kind of self-oscillation loop.  Because it seems to happen more often when my beam is pointed in particular directions, I think it's most likely an as-yet unsolved RFI/insufficient or improper grounding problem in my shack.

But I would appreciate hearing whether you have experienced, and hopefully solved, similar problems with the K3 or K3S?

Please let me know, and thanks!

Rich, K1DJ

From daniel.l.pawlak at vencore.com  Wed May 31 07:29:53 2017
From: daniel.l.pawlak at vencore.com (Pawlak, Daniel L)
Date: Wed, 31 May 2017 11:29:53 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Digital mode advice
Message-ID: <663A19477829554089F5D347060978AF68583A95@DC7SWEXP001.corp.adroot.internal>

Hi,
                I have a K2 (ser no in the 3000s) and would like to set it up to operate with the digital modes. I followed the thread about getting started with JT65 software and will probably try that. My question: is there some guidance available to help me set up my K2 for digital modes. Many moons ago I hooked it up to my old PC and was able to receive digital transmissions, using one of the common programs at the time; but, I did not transmit. Is there an interface box I could buy or build (kit?) to get my on the air?
Thanks.

73, Dan KF4KKF

From glcazzola at alice.it  Wed May 31 08:13:30 2017
From: glcazzola at alice.it (glcazzola at alice.it)
Date: Wed, 31 May 2017 14:13:30 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] Ris: K3 Display is Dated... I Dont agree
Message-ID: <592CD44400D614EE@smtp204.alice.it> (added by postmaster@alice.it)


From smbertuzzo at bell.net  Wed May 31 08:46:40 2017
From: smbertuzzo at bell.net (Serge Bertuzzo)
Date: Wed, 31 May 2017 08:46:40 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Elecraft] K3s and 6 Meters - Low Power Output Question
Message-ID: <280428596.2782208.1496234800710.JavaMail.open-xchange@mtlgui01>


From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Wed May 31 08:31:54 2017
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Wed, 31 May 2017 08:31:54 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Digital mode advice
In-Reply-To: <663A19477829554089F5D347060978AF68583A95@DC7SWEXP001.corp.adroot.internal>
References: <663A19477829554089F5D347060978AF68583A95@DC7SWEXP001.corp.adroot.internal>
Message-ID: <ae3a3266-2cca-29ad-c6c2-646dfc26ae4e@embarqmail.com>

Dan,

Take a look at the interface box I built for my K2 long ago.  It is on 
my webpage www.w3fpr.com.
I still use it on occasion.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 5/31/2017 7:29 AM, Pawlak, Daniel L wrote:
> Hi,
>                  I have a K2 (ser no in the 3000s) and would like to set it up to operate with the digital modes. I followed the thread about getting started with JT65 software and will probably try that. My question: is there some guidance available to help me set up my K2 for digital modes. Many moons ago I hooked it up to my old PC and was able to receive digital transmissions, using one of the common programs at the time; but, I did not transmit. Is there an interface box I could buy or build (kit?) to get my on the air?

From gd0oud at manx.net  Wed May 31 09:25:22 2017
From: gd0oud at manx.net (Stuart Hill)
Date: Wed, 31 May 2017 14:25:22 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] No Receive or Transmit.
Message-ID: <201705311325.KGW23236@manxnetsf06.manx.net>

I have just switched on my K3 for the CW-T activity to find I have no receive or transmit. The radio was working fine last night, no problems at all

I have tried the EE INIT and reloading firmware to no effect. 

Any help would be appreciated

Stuart, GD0OUD.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10


From g4gnx at g4gnx.com  Wed May 31 10:24:32 2017
From: g4gnx at g4gnx.com (G4GNX)
Date: Wed, 31 May 2017 15:24:32 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] No Receive or Transmit.
In-Reply-To: <201705311325.KGW23236@manxnetsf06.manx.net>
References: <201705311325.KGW23236@manxnetsf06.manx.net>
Message-ID: <25D691E07DD14AF7862DF1638A8AD91E@G4GNXLaptop>

Have you tried restoring your configuration? With all the lightning we've 
had recently, maybe the memory got zapped?

When you say no receive, do you mean absolutely no audio or just no signals? 
Wrong antenna selected? Do you appear to generate RF when you attempt to 
Tune?

I recently switched on our club's K3 after performing some major upgrades, 
including SMD components. There was no receive audio and after the initial 
panic subsided, I realised that I had inadvertently turned the RF gain to 
zero. Is that a possibility with yours as well as possibly having the TX in 
Test mode or the power turned right down?

73,

Alan. G4GNX

-----Original Message----- 
From: Stuart Hill
Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 2:25 PM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] No Receive or Transmit.

I have just switched on my K3 for the CW-T activity to find I have no 
receive or transmit. The radio was working fine last night, no problems at 
all

I have tried the EE INIT and reloading firmware to no effect.

Any help would be appreciated

Stuart, GD0OUD.


From daniel.l.pawlak at vencore.com  Wed May 31 12:44:35 2017
From: daniel.l.pawlak at vencore.com (Pawlak, Daniel L)
Date: Wed, 31 May 2017 16:44:35 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] EXTERNAL: Re:  Digital mode advice
In-Reply-To: <ae3a3266-2cca-29ad-c6c2-646dfc26ae4e@embarqmail.com>
References: <663A19477829554089F5D347060978AF68583A95@DC7SWEXP001.corp.adroot.internal>
	<ae3a3266-2cca-29ad-c6c2-646dfc26ae4e@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <663A19477829554089F5D347060978AF68583B1A@DC7SWEXP001.corp.adroot.internal>

Thanks, Don. I will take a look at it. Any recommendations for
commercial products?

-----Original Message-----
From: Don Wilhelm [mailto:donwilh at embarqmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 8:32 AM
To: Pawlak, Daniel L; 'Elecraft at mailman.qth.net'
Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [Elecraft] Digital mode advice

Dan,

Take a look at the interface box I built for my K2 long ago.  It is on
my webpage www.w3fpr.com.
I still use it on occasion.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 5/31/2017 7:29 AM, Pawlak, Daniel L wrote:
> Hi,
>                  I have a K2 (ser no in the 3000s) and would like to
set it up to operate with the digital modes. I followed the thread about
getting started with JT65 software and will probably try that. My
question: is there some guidance available to help me set up my K2 for
digital modes. Many moons ago I hooked it up to my old PC and was able
to receive digital transmissions, using one of the common programs at
the time; but, I did not transmit. Is there an interface box I could buy
or build (kit?) to get my on the air?




From k2av.guy at gmail.com  Wed May 31 13:05:54 2017
From: k2av.guy at gmail.com (Guy Olinger K2AV)
Date: Wed, 31 May 2017 13:05:54 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S oscillation issue
In-Reply-To: <15c5de8a691-67f3-226ab@webprd-a19.mail.aol.com>
References: <15c5de8a691-67f3-226ab@webprd-a19.mail.aol.com>
Message-ID: <CANckpc1HQ8yfx6YopgXyY7nw1t2s27Yqy5WF+dWVVjpTO6z+1w@mail.gmail.com>

Talking to the masses as well as the original poster.

Many of us, this writer included, have experienced RFI, and it almost
never involves something wrong with the K3, or any transceiver, for
that matter. It was lack of bonding and/or grounding, loose leads,
plugs only halfway in, PL259's or BNC's not fastened down all the way,
broken or unsoldered or untightened shield connections, some
unfortunate wide-open physical path into the shack, an RF open barn
door, and more, a long list, sometimes humorous, but all physical,
physical, physical.

Sometimes double digit volts RF wandering around on station conductors.

Need RF blocking? Read K9YC's web page until you understand it, do the
work, don't cheat, don't cheep, don't use junk toroids you can't
positively identify, follow the formula. Do it everywhere, all the
way, by the book.

Many people simply cannot provide sufficient linear separation and the
station is unavoidably in the near field of one antenna or another.
Then the station wiring, RF wise, needs to get clean and tight, just
because the RF is so unavoidably high. Your club buddy can get away
with some stuff, but you can't.

Everyone I personally know that went after RFI studiously and
seriously, also solved it. And it was never fixed by modifying the
transceiver, and I'm talking about multiple brands and models.

If you get RFI now and then, and if you get in contests, be firmly
assured that Murphy knows it, and he will strike in the middle of the
best run you ever had.  :>)

Do the work.

73 and good luck,
Guy K2AV



On Wed, May 31, 2017 at 5:49 AM, Richard Hoffman, K1DJ via Elecraft
<elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
> My recent model K3S feeds a SteppIR 3-element beam with the 30/40 meter trombone-shaped driven element on a (short) 40-foot tower.  Thanks to the SteppIR's tuneability, the SWR is always at or close to 1:1.  I operate primarily CW, primarily using the internal keyer.
>
> I have noticed that on 20 meters, primarily, but not only, when I am sending a contest-type message from the K3S's internal memories, the rig occasionally seems to go into some kind of self-oscillation loop.  Because it seems to happen more often when my beam is pointed in particular directions, I think it's most likely an as-yet unsolved RFI/insufficient or improper grounding problem in my shack.
>
> But I would appreciate hearing whether you have experienced, and hopefully solved, similar problems with the K3 or K3S?
>
> Please let me know, and thanks!
>
> Rich, K1DJ
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From wa6qmq at yahoo.com  Wed May 31 13:21:57 2017
From: wa6qmq at yahoo.com (tony leonardini)
Date: Wed, 31 May 2017 17:21:57 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 water fall reversed on 6 meters only ?
References: <357979181.3944651.1496251317447.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <357979181.3944651.1496251317447@mail.yahoo.com>

A upper sideband signal show up on the lower side & a lower sideband signal shows up on the upper side. ?Dose not matter which ssb side is selected on the K3 the transmit signal is reversed. ? ?All other bands display the correctly in the water fall.
Have a K3s /P3 and K3 /P3, ALL setting on both K3?s/P3?s are the same.
Do not know when this started just noticed it on this last 6m opening, this K3 normally has either the main or sub setting on 6m.
Any ideas would be greatly appreciated? ?wa6qmq

From wx2i.nnj at gmail.com  Wed May 31 13:56:20 2017
From: wx2i.nnj at gmail.com (Bob Jonas)
Date: Wed, 31 May 2017 13:56:20 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Sending in for a Tuneup
Message-ID: <CALw9zuQ4pP4uoaWHzejy2VFNMATa1_j0WS_L2g_-2mNA5HZoCQ@mail.gmail.com>

My KX3 is my first (and only) Elecraft and I am curious about the procedure
to have have it sent in have have them do a look over of the rig.
I've had had it for a few months and would just to get a clean bill of
health.
Any comments on the procedure?
Cost?
I'll look on their website too but I wanted to hear from those that have
gone through the experience as well!
Thank you and 7 3

Bob-WX2I

From n1al at sonic.net  Wed May 31 14:06:38 2017
From: n1al at sonic.net (Alan)
Date: Wed, 31 May 2017 11:06:38 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 water fall reversed on 6 meters only ?
In-Reply-To: <357979181.3944651.1496251317447@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <357979181.3944651.1496251317447.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<357979181.3944651.1496251317447@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <a83eab79-93aa-a790-f3e9-89cc4defb682@sonic.net>

The K3 inverts the IF on all bands except 6 meters.  But the P3 is 
supposed to take that into account and display the spectrum with the 
proper orientation.

If it's not doing that, then it sounds like the RS-232 communications 
between the K3 and P3 may have failed for some reason.  Does the K3 VFO 
frequency display correctly on the P3?

Alan N1AL


On 05/31/2017 10:21 AM, tony leonardini via Elecraft wrote:
> A upper sideband signal show up on the lower side & a lower sideband signal shows up on the upper side.  Dose not matter which ssb side is selected on the K3 the transmit signal is reversed.    All other bands display the correctly in the water fall.
> Have a K3s /P3 and K3 /P3, ALL setting on both K3?s/P3?s are the same.
> Do not know when this started just noticed it on this last 6m opening, this K3 normally has either the main or sub setting on 6m.
> Any ideas would be greatly appreciated   wa6qmq
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From ctate at ewnetinc.com  Wed May 31 14:07:13 2017
From: ctate at ewnetinc.com (Chris Tate - N6WM)
Date: Wed, 31 May 2017 18:07:13 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Sending in for a Tuneup
In-Reply-To: <CALw9zuQ4pP4uoaWHzejy2VFNMATa1_j0WS_L2g_-2mNA5HZoCQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALw9zuQ4pP4uoaWHzejy2VFNMATa1_j0WS_L2g_-2mNA5HZoCQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <236350B81BC09D42B8C3B41A97C654DD1D7FD1A9@AUSP01DAG0504.collaborationhost.net>

With your KX3 being just a few months old, my suggestion, if you are concerned about something would be to start with a phone call.  I usually send my heavy use contest equipment (K3) in every 3 or so years and that accounts for 10's of thousands of qso's.  

If your want a check up after just a few months I am assuming something is concerning you and a phone call to elecraft support would probably give you a comfort level.

Chris
N6WM
________________________________________
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] on behalf of Bob Jonas [wx2i.nnj at gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 10:56 AM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] Sending in for a Tuneup

My KX3 is my first (and only) Elecraft and I am curious about the procedure
to have have it sent in have have them do a look over of the rig.
I've had had it for a few months and would just to get a clean bill of
health.
Any comments on the procedure?
Cost?
I'll look on their website too but I wanted to hear from those that have
gone through the experience as well!
Thank you and 7 3

Bob-WX2I
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From glcazzola at alice.it  Wed May 31 14:10:33 2017
From: glcazzola at alice.it (glcazzola at alice.it)
Date: Wed, 31 May 2017 20:10:33 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S DISPLAY IS GOOD, BUT...
Message-ID: <15c5fb3ba91.glcazzola@alice.it>

Dont agree, for me the display is adeguate.I need only the shift between the two vfo well specified on display. And asked to Wayne Burdick to implement it with next firmware release, without reply for now :)Ian IK4EWX


From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Wed May 31 14:37:41 2017
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Wed, 31 May 2017 14:37:41 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Sending in for a Tuneup
In-Reply-To: <CALw9zuQ4pP4uoaWHzejy2VFNMATa1_j0WS_L2g_-2mNA5HZoCQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALw9zuQ4pP4uoaWHzejy2VFNMATa1_j0WS_L2g_-2mNA5HZoCQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9d502776-3232-e187-383f-110f22c9663f@embarqmail.com>

Bob,

If you bought it new, it had that tuneup before it left the factory - 
any problems in the first year should be taken care of under warranty. 
If you do have problems, the first course of action is to contact 
Elecraft support.

If you bought it used, and you want it checked out at the factory the 
same as would be done if it were new, you will need an RSA to send it 
in.  To start that process, contact support at elecraft.com.  Wait until 
you have the RSA number and form and instructions before sending it.

I don't know what the normal time to check it out will be, but my guess 
is about 1.5 hours at $99 per hour plus shipping.
It will come back to you having been reset to factory defaults with 
firmware updated, so if you have established some favorite setting like 
TX/RX EQ or AGC parameters, etc.  Write your settings down before 
sending.  In this particular case I would suggest not relying on a saved 
configuration file.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 5/31/2017 1:56 PM, Bob Jonas wrote:
> My KX3 is my first (and only) Elecraft and I am curious about the procedure
> to have have it sent in have have them do a look over of the rig.
> I've had had it for a few months and would just to get a clean bill of
> health.
> Any comments on the procedure?
> Cost?

From k6dgw at foothill.net  Wed May 31 15:52:45 2017
From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen)
Date: Wed, 31 May 2017 12:52:45 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S oscillation issue
In-Reply-To: <CANckpc1HQ8yfx6YopgXyY7nw1t2s27Yqy5WF+dWVVjpTO6z+1w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <15c5de8a691-67f3-226ab@webprd-a19.mail.aol.com>
	<CANckpc1HQ8yfx6YopgXyY7nw1t2s27Yqy5WF+dWVVjpTO6z+1w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ea4cbedf-abc9-3d2a-c1b2-eb3e045e4c24@foothill.net>

As Guy says, "... it almost never involves something wrong with any 
transceiver." At former QTH, my 70' tower/tribander was out back on 5 
acres, about 200 ft from the shack.  I was running RTTY then with my 
K2/100, and to aid in cooling, I mounted a computer muffin fan on top of 
the heat sink.  It made a huge difference.  On 15, only, with the beam 
pointed over the shack, every time the TX came on the fan stopped. The 
suspended coax from the tower to the shack was along that same azimuth, 
the antenna wascreating common mode currentswhen pointed in that 
directionand for some reason, the brushless fan motor was sensitive.  A 
common mode choke at the shack entrance fixed the problem.

73,

Fred ("Skip") K6DGW
Sparks NV USA
Washoe County DM09dn

On 5/31/2017 10:05 AM, Guy Olinger K2AV wrote:
> Talking to the masses as well as the original poster.
>
> Many of us, this writer included, have experienced RFI, and it almost
> never involves something wrong with the K3, or any transceiver, for
> that matter. It was lack of bonding and/or grounding, loose leads,
> plugs only halfway in, PL259's or BNC's not fastened down all the way,
> broken or unsoldered or untightened shield connections, some
> unfortunate wide-open physical path into the shack, an RF open barn
> door, and more, a long list, sometimes humorous, but all physical,
> physical, physical.
>


From k6dgw at foothill.net  Wed May 31 16:04:35 2017
From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen)
Date: Wed, 31 May 2017 13:04:35 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Display is Dated...
In-Reply-To: <1498235947.213344.1496186356000@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1496180176945-7631264.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<4c271c56-8ed8-3a51-84de-f0027da9a447@ki8w.com>
	<04F51173-687B-4D9B-9420-1904B5A4AEB0@mac.com>
	<CY4PR13MB1254788BF194A41679029DFF9EF00@CY4PR13MB1254.namprd13.prod.outlook.com>
	<1498235947.213344.1496186356000@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <a094b392-f381-e650-1d75-bc2252432fe0@foothill.net>

I am colorblind... as in monochrome. The color waterfall on the P3 is 
barely usable for me.  The monochrome option is perfect.  I've used an 
IC-7600 and a PRO3 on county expeditions for the Cal QSOwhich 
[apparently] are quite colorful. It's a real strain for me.  K3 is just 
fine the way it is.  My Heath MM-1 is certainly "dated." It works just fine.

73,

Fred ("Skip") K6DGW
Sparks NV USA
Washoe County DM09dn

On 5/30/2017 4:19 PM, Al Lorona wrote:
> Whenever this thread comes up-- and it has several times before-- I usually point toward the displays on the most advanced commercial aircraft in the skies for comparison. In this context, a pilot needs to know a few (or several) critical pieces of information instantly, and easily, and can't be captivated by eye candy. If your shiny new Kensucom's display looked like this, you probably wouldn't buy it:
>
> http://www.boeing.com/commercial/737max/news/new-flight-deck-displays.page  (watch closely at the 0:43 mark)
>


From n8vz at qth.com  Wed May 31 16:23:11 2017
From: n8vz at qth.com (Carl-N8VZ)
Date: Wed, 31 May 2017 13:23:11 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] 4Sale: Near Mint Late Model K3s with accesories
Message-ID: <1496262191234-7631313.post@n2.nabble.com>

Late model (SN 11038) K3s-100 for sale. I'm second owner, bought in December
2016. First owner owned it for less than a month. It was sent back to
factory before being delivered to me, and was aligned and updated. Rig is in
near-Mint condition and comes with the following:

*KAT3A-F ATU for K3/K3s
*KTCXO3-1 TCXO 1 ppm osc.
*KDVR3 Digital Voice Recorder
*KBPF3A General Coverage RX Bandpass Filter
*KFL3A-1.0k-F 1 khZ, 8 Pole filter
*KFL3B-FM-IR-F FM-bandwidth, 8 pole roofing filter
*KFL3A-400 400 Hz 8 pole filter
*KFL3A-2.8 kHz 8 pole filter
*KFL3A- 6 kHz AM/ESSB 8 pole filter
*Third-party weighted knobs

Also, not currently installed in the rig, but included in the package is a
KFL3C-200K filter.
But wait, there's more: K-Pod, P3-F with TX Sensor (1.8-54MHz, 2K Max), and
LP-PAN2 Panadapter & Xonar U5 sound card.

More than $5,900 invested. All of this plus original box, factory manual,
KE7X Manual (for K3s & P3) can be yours, for $4,500 OBO, including shipping
to your CONUS address. PayPal ONLY!

For the record, I'm not abandoning Elecraft.  I still have, and love, my
KX3, KX2, and early K2 as well as my trusty KAT500 and KPA500.  I just need
to raise some cash for the purchase of a Flex 6600M that I put down a
pre-order for at Dayton.  Not being flush with money, I have to make some
hard choices.  As a result someone is going to get a very good deal! 

73,
Carl
N8VZ 

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From tvtommy at mac.com  Wed May 31 16:31:41 2017
From: tvtommy at mac.com (Tom Ewing)
Date: Wed, 31 May 2017 15:31:41 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-500 FS
Message-ID: <B74F7E62-2659-4E7B-B0EA-25C54323C758@mac.com>


I'm the second owner, original receipt, original packaging, barely used. Was a back up to an Expert 1k. 

$1800 shipped conus. 

Also have a custom bag made for it we can negotiate. 

Tommy
W0XXX

From dberger381 at gmail.com  Wed May 31 16:59:50 2017
From: dberger381 at gmail.com (Don Berger)
Date: Wed, 31 May 2017 20:59:50 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Display opinions
Message-ID: <CA+=ChADdvdk9ipvxk-NS0LOomyCj=crVKfvWfe5wTJb-Bcaojg@mail.gmail.com>

This is fundamentally a form over substance debate.

There is nothing lacking in the current K3/K3S display other than it isn't
fashionable. Fashion isn't why most of us bought these transceivers.
don K1VSK

From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Wed May 31 17:38:09 2017
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Wed, 31 May 2017 14:38:09 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 display is dated.
In-Reply-To: <CAGAru0_5njLDgo6sGogtFLLW2ZDQRxxMXDuUVh1QR0zC1kom-g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGAru0_5njLDgo6sGogtFLLW2ZDQRxxMXDuUVh1QR0zC1kom-g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4d78f172-458d-dcef-823e-dffa247d2826@audiosystemsgroup.com>

My sentiments exactly.  Everything I need to see and all the controls I 
need for day to day operation is on the K3/K3S front panel and easy to 
find/use.  This concern with appearances strongly reminds me of consumer 
audio and video products, which have small white lettering on a black 
chassis that's so hard to read that you need to look up close with a 
flashlight! My last HF rigs were a pair of used FT1000MPs. Took up WAY 
too much space on my desktop, cluttered display, much less intuitive, 
difficult/poorly documented menu structure, much more confusing, than 
the K3 that replaced them.

Because I use my much more compact KX3 only occasionally for portable 
operations, I do find myself looking for controls. But they're labeled, 
so I eventually find them. :)

I don't buy stuff to impress my friends. I buy it to use it!

73, Jim K9YC

On Tue,5/30/2017 6:08 PM, William Levy wrote:
> I don't care about the display. I care about how the radio works. How it
> hears and how it talks.
> How it works in contest or expedition environments. If display is that
> important you buy a FLEX and it's as big as can be.



From len at ka7ftp.com  Wed May 31 18:18:44 2017
From: len at ka7ftp.com (len at ka7ftp.com)
Date: Wed, 31 May 2017 16:18:44 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] Display opinions
In-Reply-To: <CA+=ChADdvdk9ipvxk-NS0LOomyCj=crVKfvWfe5wTJb-Bcaojg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+=ChADdvdk9ipvxk-NS0LOomyCj=crVKfvWfe5wTJb-Bcaojg@mail.gmail.com>
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One interesting thing about the Elecraft displays, they can't be screwed up
with clever programming.  As they stand they are highly readable and
predictable.  When companies use fully bit addressable displays there is
always the temptation to use every last pixel, just because they can.  Even
when things start out uncluttered each new release adds to the dysfunction.
There is always too much temptation to screw up a good thing.  Just like
overloading switch functions....

I really appreciate the simplicity and clean obvious function of the K-line
displays.  I truly hate the trend to have to "web two-dot-O' everything.
There is always a balance when it comes to the UI, Elecract nailed it the
first time around!

Thanks Wayne and team.

73

Len


-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Don Berger
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To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] Display opinions

This is fundamentally a form over substance debate.

There is nothing lacking in the current K3/K3S display other than it isn't
fashionable. Fashion isn't why most of us bought these transceivers.
don K1VSK
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From n7dxtango at gmail.com  Wed May 31 19:01:50 2017
From: n7dxtango at gmail.com (Gary Watson)
Date: Wed, 31 May 2017 17:01:50 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] WTB: EC2 Enclosure and KAT100 PNL
Message-ID: <CAAu8gRGENv708VPCyDFmTKM3+enm-c4k_E1hmKotNsQEZMh9gw@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,
I am going to assemble the K2 Twins.  If you have a spare enclosure for
Panel kit for the project let me know.

Thanks for looking
Gary Watson
N7DXT

From k6dgw at foothill.net  Wed May 31 20:35:59 2017
From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen)
Date: Wed, 31 May 2017 17:35:59 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Semi-OT: Analog meters for K3
Message-ID: <71aa3601-d86b-63b2-01cd-f627f6295007@foothill.net>

Folks,

I've needed to learn a new library and IDE for an upcoming ham project.  
As a learning tool, I built an "Analog K3 S-Meter and Power Meter." It's 
about as done as I plan to make it, I need to replace the generic 
Windows icon.  There are a couple of tiny cosmetic defects which shall 
remain as historical artifacts ... "learning return" on time investment 
is no longer positive.

If anyone yearns for asort-of analog-ish S-Meter for their K3, and 
having put a little effort into this, I'll give it to you via email.  
It's a Windows .exe file, you just save it somewhere and double-click 
it.  Requires a connection to the K3 RS-232 port, and won't work if the 
port is already occupied by your logging program.  You'll have to edit a 
1-line text file for whatever COM port your K3 is on, it comes with 
COM11 [mine].  I'm pretty sure it will work with a K3S.  I'm less sure 
with a KX3, and skeptical with a KX2or K2, but maybe [BG; SM; K31; and 
PC; commands]. It will maintain a configuration file wherever you stash 
it, no other writes or reads.  Avast, AVG, McAfee, Norton, and others 
may be skeptical, I will guarantee that the one you get from me is 
malware-free.

TERMS AND CONDITIONS OF SALE:

Cost: $0.00 [cash and credit cards not accepted, PayPal very chancy]
Warranty: In your dreams
Support: see "Warranty"

Because many email clients gag on .exe attachments, it will come as a 
.txtand you get to practice your file renaming skills.  Not expecting a 
huge response here ... 1 would exceed expectations.  Thisis an eclectic 
group, one never knows.

73,

Fred ("Skip") K6DGW
Sparks NV USA
Washoe County DM09dn


From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Wed May 31 20:36:18 2017
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Wed, 31 May 2017 20:36:18 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] WTB: EC2 Enclosure and KAT100 PNL
In-Reply-To: <CAAu8gRGENv708VPCyDFmTKM3+enm-c4k_E1hmKotNsQEZMh9gw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAAu8gRGENv708VPCyDFmTKM3+enm-c4k_E1hmKotNsQEZMh9gw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <927ab367-0041-d7bf-7808-c5dba3720aab@embarqmail.com>

Gary,

Elecraft has the KAT100PNL kit with all parts (including the Font and 
rear panels) to convert a KAT10001 to a KAT100-2.  You will also need 
the EC2 enclosure kit if you do not already have one.  You may also want 
the Tilt stand unless you plan to use the combination flat on a shelf.

You will also have to have the KIO2 (or suitable replacement) to carry 
the K2 internal control signals to the KPA100/KAT100.  The required 
cable is the same as the normal cable to the KAT100 (see the KAT100 manual).

73,
Don W3FPR

On 5/31/2017 7:01 PM, Gary Watson wrote:
> Hello,
> I am going to assemble the K2 Twins.  If you have a spare enclosure for
> Panel kit for the project let me know.
> 

From pubx1 at af2z.net  Wed May 31 22:13:36 2017
From: pubx1 at af2z.net (Drew AF2Z)
Date: Wed, 31 May 2017 22:13:36 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Display is Dated...
In-Reply-To: <1496180176945-7631264.post@n2.nabble.com>
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I would like to have a front panel that is designed according to these 
two rules:

1. Use physical controls only: buttons, knobs, switches. (Not a "smudge 
screen".)

2. The state of every control should be obvious by its position, 
rotation, dial, or adjacent LEDs; or, the control should be located 
directly adjacent to a screen area where its state is displayed.

IOW, it is annoying to operate a control on one side of the panel and 
having to look half way across the panel to the other side to see what 
the state of that control is.

I think if those two rules were followed you'd have a really satisfying 
rig to operate.

73,
Drew
AF2Z


On 05/30/17 17:36, ke9uw wrote:
> I was wondering if the K3 display could be replaced by an updated display,
> one that looks like the ones on the newest rigs from Japan. Could it be
> displayed on the monitor connected to the svga on P3? Just wondering :)
> 
> 
> 
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