[Elecraft] RTTY

Wed Mar 15 20:44:16 EDT 2017

Okay, Kevin....

Here is the appropriate section: 
<http://www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/text-idx?SID=f320c16fc6e027120cc58558cc7a0926&mc=true&node=se47.5.97_11&rgn=div8>

I was told that basically there was no place for ragchewing in Amateur 
Radio -- no place at all.

97.1(e) says there is a place for a good ragchew.  Not sure where 
contesting comes in, but I'll stipulate that it can be fit into 97.1 
somewhere.

It does not say that every place is a good place for a ragchew, at any 
time.  It seems intuitively obvious that a DX pileup is neither the time 
nor the place.

You then compare typing on a keyboard to using paddles, and going back 
to the post just before mine, it was about using pre-programmed macros 
for a contest exchange.

The operators aren't really talking.  They're pressing two macro keys 
and making an entry in the log.

NO MATTER WHAT IT IS, WHAT YOU LIKE TO DO, SOMEONE WILL SAY "THIS ISN'T 
AMATEUR RADIO."	

I do respectfully disagree.

It may not be what I want to do, but I've seen the Full-Scan TV ops get 
very excited about their favored mode.  Moonbounce doesn't excite me, 
but it excites moonbounce enthusiasts.  Satellites?  Did it once, happy 
to know about it, not enough to really gear-up for it.

There is room for all of this in Amateur Radio.

... and I'm more than happy to do something else on big Contest 
weekends, and to steer clear of the pileups.

I won't name the person I quoted, but his technical contributions are 
significant.  He'd still rather carry on a conversation than just send 
macros.

In my opinion, it is a little bit sad that we have reduced communication 
to a couple of macros.

I don't require you to share that opinion, Kevin, nor will I deny you 
the pleasure of operating that way if it's what you love.

I won't ridicule it either.

73 -- Lynn

On 3/15/2017 3:45 PM, Kevin wrote:
> Ridiculous!
>
> Just try to "enhance international goodwill" with a human to human
> conversation in a DX pileup.
>
> The only difference between having the K3 to send the RTTY and your
> computer/soundcard/software doing it is that the human on the K3 using
> the keyer is slower and makes mistakes (unless he/she can do 60wpm
> mistake free, not likely). Same thing applies using the K3 memories. No
> difference between that and punching a function key on a computer
> keyboard. Should we outlaw computer sent RTTY and how can you tell the
> difference other than the computer makes no mistakes?
>
> I would advise whoever sent the email to walk the talk, get off the
> internet and take up pen and paper again. You know, for that human to
> human personalization thing.
>
>
> On 3/13/2017 2:40 PM, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT wrote:
>> I don't claim credit for this comment as it came to me off-list:
>>
>> Section 97.1
>>
>> (e) Continuation and extension of the amateur's unique ability to
>> enhance international goodwill.
>>
>> Unless we are trying to enhance goodwill between silicon chips located
>> in various parts of the world -- and since the context of the original
>> comment was  establishing communications with 300 DX "countries" --
>> actually speaking with humans might actually be part of the basis and
>> purpose of Amateur radio, as opposed to pressing two macro keys on a
>> radio...
>>
>> I'm sure others will disagree, and I do understand that this is not
>> how most hams communicate.
>>
>> ... and as I said, it's a little bit sad.
>>
>> 73 -- Lynn
>>
>> On 3/13/2017 11:44 AM, Jim Brown wrote:
>>> On Mon,3/13/2017 11:12 AM, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT wrote:
>>>> and not a single actual conversation with another human being.
>>>>
>>>> Sad.
>>>
>>> This may come as a shock, but the mission of ham radio does NOT
>>> include rag chewing. Rather, we have licenses and privileges for the
>>> purpose of developing technical skills and knowledge, developing
>>> operating skills, and providing emergency communications. What's sad
>>> to me is the mindless stuff that passes for conversation on our ham
>>> bands and the fact that many hams seem to think that's the purpose of
>>> ham radio.
>>>
>>> FWIW, I find email, various online media, and face-to-face
>>> conversation far more satisfying. And I use local repeaters to
>>> maintain community with nearby hams.
>>>
>>> 73, Jim K9YC
>>>
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