[Elecraft] Counterpoises and Grounding

[Michael Walker]

Jim sort of nailed it.

:)

Mike va3mw

On Sat, Jun 10, 2017 at 4:59 PM, Fred Moore <fred at fmeco.com> wrote:

> Jim please accept my apologies, I didn't realize that since you have
> written extensively on the subject and actually had a website that no
> one else is allowed to comment without being chastised for contributions.
>
> I have made myself a note to never reply to any conversation you are
> currently or could possibly become involved in , as all authoritative
> answers have already been provided on your web site.. and absolutely
> nothing else ever need be discussed.
>
> and again I must disagree with you.  when you state that
>
> "I think what you view as disagreement is my failure to write well enough."
>
> you write extremely well, your condescending attitude comes through very
> clear, to everyone.
>
> Still wondering if I should remove all of my links on the internet, as I
> now realize I only need one.
>
> again, please accept my apologies.. I will make every attempt to make
> sure it never happens again.
>
> Fred Moore
> email: fred at fmeco.com
>        wd8kni at gmail.com
> phone: 321-217-8699
>
> On 6/10/17 4:36 PM, Jim Brown wrote:
> > On Sat,6/10/2017 12:39 PM, Fred Moore wrote:
> >> Jim, lets stop talking about grounds totally when dealing with RF, it's
> >> just a confusion factor when it comes to discussions.
> >
> > That's what I said.
> >
> >>   unless we are
> >> talking about as NEC and others when they correctly call it a "Safety
> >> Ground" or a "Grounding Conductor" and make sure that everyone
> >> understands the difference..  most don't
> >>
> >> discussions should be about
> >>
> >> Safety Grounds, and grounding conductors 100% about 60 cycle and DC
> >> currents
> >> common connection points  100% about how the above are connected
> >> counterpoises, radiating elements: deals 100% with RF and antenna's
> >>
> >> etc.. properly understanding each one and you won't be confused at all..
> >
> > I've written extensively on this topic, and both that writing and
> > several slide shows are on my website. k9yc.com/publish/htm
> >
> >>
> >> I also disagree with your statement
> >>
> >> "First, and most important, for lightning protection and electrical
> >> safety."
> >>
> >> The first and most important item is an electrical Safety Ground as it
> >> protects people, they can't be replaced.
> >> Second is lightening protection, as it typically protects equipment.
> >> equipment can be replaced
> > Again, I refer you to my website.
> >>
> >> They don't carry the same weighting factor.. as very few worldwide are
> >> killed from lightning vs improper safety grounds.
> > They are not different. Again, see my website. ALL grounds in a
> > premise MUST be bonded together. PERIOD. Power entry, Telco entry,
> > CATV entry, antennas, shack, etc. These connections must NEVER be
> > separate or independent of each other.
> >
> >> most likely the only thing we don't agree on..  everything else you seem
> >> spot on...
> >
> > I think what you view as disagreement is my failure to write well enough.
> >
> > 73, Jim K9YC
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