From gd0oud at manx.net  Thu Jun  1 06:16:38 2017
From: gd0oud at manx.net (Stuart Hill)
Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2017 11:16:38 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] No Receive or Transmit.
In-Reply-To: <25D691E07DD14AF7862DF1638A8AD91E@G4GNXLaptop>
References: <201705311325.KGW23236@manxnetsf06.manx.net>
	<25D691E07DD14AF7862DF1638A8AD91E@G4GNXLaptop>
Message-ID: <004b01d2dac0$28993170$79cb9450$@manx.net>

Hi Alan,
              Thank you for your reply.

I tried a reset and reloading configuration but this did nothing, followed
by a sinking feeling in my stomach! 

I have various transceivers and antennas coupled by switches, and as you can
imagine, I sometimes get the combination wrong, but this was not the case
this time.

The radio did not receive anything, just a background hiss, but no signals
at all. I transmitted into a dummy load via a power meter and this showed no
output.

Research on the internet suggested checking the TMP connectors on and around
the synthesiser board, but this did not help. 

Next I refitted the original synthesiser board, and now the radio seems
fine, suggesting the KSYN3A is faulty.

I have had a reply from Matthew, VK5ZM,who had a similar problem, and this
was caused by the LO not running, but I think that only applies if the 2m
module is fitted. I will investigate and let you know how I got on.

Thanks again,
                        Stuart, GD0OUD. 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: G4GNX [mailto:g4gnx at g4gnx.com] 
Sent: 31 May 2017 15:25

Have you tried restoring your configuration? With all the lightning we've
had recently, maybe the memory got zapped?

When you say no receive, do you mean absolutely no audio or just no signals?

Wrong antenna selected? Do you appear to generate RF when you attempt to
Tune?

I recently switched on our club's K3 after performing some major upgrades,
including SMD components. There was no receive audio and after the initial
panic subsided, I realised that I had inadvertently turned the RF gain to
zero. Is that a possibility with yours as well as possibly having the TX in
Test mode or the power turned right down?

73,

Alan. G4GNX




From richard at lamont.me.uk  Thu Jun  1 10:05:27 2017
From: richard at lamont.me.uk (Richard Lamont)
Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2017 15:05:27 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 wattmeter calibration
Message-ID: <9018a3b0-d149-17fb-3ed3-2ea30a0955eb@lamont.me.uk>

I've been trying to calibrate the KPA500 wattmeter. I'm using a new Bird
43 meter with new 500A and 500H elements and a 1kW Bird Termaline load,
connected by the shortest practical lengths of co-ax.

Everything is fine, except on 50 MHz, where there isn't quite enough
adjustment range available. At 500 Watts (as indicated on the Bird 43)
and a PWR ADJ setting of 100, the KPA indicates just 325 Watts.
Adjusting PWR ADJ from 100 to 120 (the maximum available) brings it up
to 480 Watts.

This is near enough, but is it a known problem that the range of
adjustment isn't quite enough?

73,
Richard G4DYA

From nr4c at widomaker.com  Thu Jun  1 10:18:21 2017
From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c)
Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2017 10:18:21 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] No Receive or Transmit.
In-Reply-To: <201705311325.KGW23236@manxnetsf06.manx.net>
References: <201705311325.KGW23236@manxnetsf06.manx.net>
Message-ID: <DD58A279-5233-4974-8C0A-0A5F617C85CF@widomaker.com>

Which antenna is selected?



Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill


> On May 31, 2017, at 9:25 AM, Stuart Hill <gd0oud at manx.net> wrote:
> 
> I have just switched on my K3 for the CW-T activity to find I have no receive or transmit. The radio was working fine last night, no problems at all
> 
> I have tried the EE INIT and reloading firmware to no effect. 
> 
> Any help would be appreciated
> 
> Stuart, GD0OUD.
> 
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
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From nr4c at widomaker.com  Thu Jun  1 10:23:54 2017
From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c)
Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2017 10:23:54 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Sending in for a Tuneup
In-Reply-To: <CALw9zuQ4pP4uoaWHzejy2VFNMATa1_j0WS_L2g_-2mNA5HZoCQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALw9zuQ4pP4uoaWHzejy2VFNMATa1_j0WS_L2g_-2mNA5HZoCQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F60A2FAA-A354-45AF-A318-D09AED1A9A26@widomaker.com>

Why do you think it needs a "look over"?

Are you having issues?

To send your radio you should call customer support first and they can give you all the instructions on the procedure. 

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill


> On May 31, 2017, at 1:56 PM, Bob Jonas <wx2i.nnj at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> My KX3 is my first (and only) Elecraft and I am curious about the procedure
> to have have it sent in have have them do a look over of the rig.
> I've had had it for a few months and would just to get a clean bill of
> health.
> Any comments on the procedure?
> Cost?
> I'll look on their website too but I wanted to hear from those that have
> gone through the experience as well!
> Thank you and 7 3
> 
> Bob-WX2I
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From nr4c at widomaker.com  Thu Jun  1 10:39:33 2017
From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c)
Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2017 10:39:33 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Display is Dated...
In-Reply-To: <995db378-9901-f7eb-4976-138bc1074ded@af2z.net>
References: <1496180176945-7631264.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<995db378-9901-f7eb-4976-138bc1074ded@af2z.net>
Message-ID: <08973F7A-D487-47D3-BEBD-93B88A539CBE@widomaker.com>

And the front panel would be the size of a 40 inch TV. 

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill


> On May 31, 2017, at 10:13 PM, Drew AF2Z <pubx1 at af2z.net> wrote:
> 
> I would like to have a front panel that is designed according to these two rules:
> 
> 1. Use physical controls only: buttons, knobs, switches. (Not a "smudge screen".)
> 
> 2. The state of every control should be obvious by its position, rotation, dial, or adjacent LEDs; or, the control should be located directly adjacent to a screen area where its state is displayed.
> 
> IOW, it is annoying to operate a control on one side of the panel and having to look half way across the panel to the other side to see what the state of that control is.
> 
> I think if those two rules were followed you'd have a really satisfying rig to operate.
> 
> 73,
> Drew
> AF2Z
> 
> 
>> On 05/30/17 17:36, ke9uw wrote:
>> I was wondering if the K3 display could be replaced by an updated display,
>> one that looks like the ones on the newest rigs from Japan. Could it be
>> displayed on the monitor connected to the svga on P3? Just wondering :)
>> -----
>> Chuck, KE9UW
>> --
>> View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-Display-is-Dated-tp7631264.html
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From john at kk9a.com  Thu Jun  1 10:40:53 2017
From: john at kk9a.com (john at kk9a.com)
Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2017 10:40:53 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft]  KPA500 wattmeter calibration
Message-ID: <2a0ea7be9122ccb5fb2c5f5bc6bf50d2.squirrel@www11.qth.com>

Is the Bird wattmeter and element rated for 50MHz?

John KK9A

Richard Lamont richard at lamont.me.uk
Thu Jun 1 10:05:27 EDT 2017

I've been trying to calibrate the KPA500 wattmeter. I'm using a new Bird
43 meter with new 500A and 500H elements and a 1kW Bird Termaline load,
connected by the shortest practical lengths of co-ax.

Everything is fine, except on 50 MHz, where there isn't quite enough
adjustment range available. At 500 Watts (as indicated on the Bird 43)
and a PWR ADJ setting of 100, the KPA indicates just 325 Watts.
Adjusting PWR ADJ from 100 to 120 (the maximum available) brings it up
to 480 Watts.

This is near enough, but is it a known problem that the range of
adjustment isn't quite enough?

73,
Richard G4DYA


From mikelee0531 at me.com  Thu Jun  1 10:52:45 2017
From: mikelee0531 at me.com (mikelee0531 at me.com)
Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2017 10:52:45 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] test
Message-ID: <fd3a45e0-4d6c-400b-a107-ed67b943a589@Spark>

test message prior to FS

From mikelee0531 at me.com  Thu Jun  1 10:47:30 2017
From: mikelee0531 at me.com (mikelee0531 at me.com)
Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2017 10:47:30 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] FS : KPA-500
Message-ID: <8930569c-9602-4ab9-bfa0-c009c3334fee@Spark>

Unit is in Nearly-New Condition - non-Smoking environment and cared-for by an FCC Licensed Tech (FCC First Class Radio Telephone and Telegraph, with Radar and ?Avionics)

Serial Number ?# 0426

Has the following Options:

KPA-500 Amplifier
Cable Set

Total value (new) over $2,105
Asking $11,500 + $75 shipping (insured, from Florida)

Selling to fund other projects in interests other than HF

NO KNOWN DEFECTS?- Unit works perfectly. The only ?problem" is that it doesn?t get used very much, except to check-in on occasional nets. Never dropped or abused. Single owner, single operator - never lent out to individuals or groups.

Contact me off list at - aa6ml at arrl.org

I am a long-time Elecraft user, having two (2) complete K-Lines, as well as KX3?s (2) and a K2, so I know the quality of these products. I am also a former Vice Director of ARRL?s SouthEastern Division - and am a 100% reliable seller.

Payment by Cashier?s Check or Postal Money Order?ONLY

Thanks for looking,

Mike - AA6ML
aa6ml at arrl.org

From mikelee0531 at me.com  Thu Jun  1 10:42:30 2017
From: mikelee0531 at me.com (mikelee0531 at me.com)
Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2017 10:42:30 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] FS : P3 that is LOADED
Message-ID: <83cbf5a4-bb1d-4eab-a6c3-21340a3d9aa4@Spark>

Unit is in Nearly-New Condition - non-Smoking environment and cared-for by an FCC Licensed Tech (FCC First Class Radio Telephone and Telegraph, with Radar and Avionics)

Serial Number ?# 2412

Has the following Options:

P3 Pan Adapter - base unit
P3SVGA - external Monitor option
Transmit Monitor Option - with 2KW sensor

Total value (new) over $1,187
Asking $750.00 + $50 shipping (insured, from Florida)

Selling to fund other projects in interests other than HF

NO KNOWN DEFECTS?- Unit works perfectly. The only ?problem" is that it doesn?t get used very much, except to check-in on occasional nets. Never dropped or abused. Single owner, single operator - never lent out to individuals or groups.

Contact me off list at - aa6ml at arrl.org

I am a long-time Elecraft user, having two (2) complete K-Lines, as well as KX3?s (2) and a K2, so I know the quality of these products. I am also a former Vice Director of ARRL?s SouthEastern Division - and am a 100% reliable seller.

Payment by Cashier?s Check or Postal Money Order?ONLY

Thanks for looking,

Mike - AA6ML
aa6ml at arrl.org

From john.evans.n0hj at gmail.com  Thu Jun  1 10:59:53 2017
From: john.evans.n0hj at gmail.com (John Evans)
Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2017 08:59:53 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] FS : KPA-500
In-Reply-To: <8930569c-9602-4ab9-bfa0-c009c3334fee@Spark>
References: <8930569c-9602-4ab9-bfa0-c009c3334fee@Spark>
Message-ID: <CAEtP=8tcmcmtGXMgw71yfkLOSDzMirSHuMmUTn0e_hXRnZD2pw@mail.gmail.com>

That's quite a markup, but it should fund quite a few other projects.  ;)

73 - john - n0hj

On Thu, Jun 1, 2017 at 8:47 AM, <mikelee0531 at me.com> wrote:

> Unit is in Nearly-New Condition - non-Smoking environment and cared-for by
> an FCC Licensed Tech (FCC First Class Radio Telephone and Telegraph, with
> Radar and  Avionics)
>
> Serial Number  # 0426
>
> Has the following Options:
>
> KPA-500 Amplifier
> Cable Set
>
> Total value (new) over $2,105
> Asking $11,500 + $75 shipping (insured, from Florida)
>
> Selling to fund other projects in interests other than HF
>
>

From mikelee0531 at me.com  Thu Jun  1 11:02:30 2017
From: mikelee0531 at me.com (mikelee0531 at me.com)
Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2017 11:02:30 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: FS : KPA-500
In-Reply-To: <8930569c-9602-4ab9-bfa0-c009c3334fee@Spark>
References: <8930569c-9602-4ab9-bfa0-c009c3334fee@Spark>
Message-ID: <5240d34c-4487-4a09-80df-7a602bae12ce@Spark>

CORRECTION in the asking price..
thanks to Grant for the ?catch?
Asking price is $1,500..

this is NOT a gold plated unit..
standard Elecraft colors (but with stainless screws)

Mike


> Unit is in Nearly-New Condition - non-Smoking environment and cared-for by an FCC Licensed Tech (FCC First Class Radio Telephone and Telegraph, with Radar and ?Avionics)
>
> Serial Number ?# 0426
>
> Has the following Options:
>
> KPA-500 Amplifier
> Cable Set
>
> Total value (new) over $2,105
> Asking $1,500 + $75 shipping (insured, from Florida)
>
> Selling to fund other projects in interests other than HF
>
> NO KNOWN DEFECTS?- Unit works perfectly. The only ?problem" is that it doesn?t get used very much, except to check-in on occasional nets. Never dropped or abused. Single owner, single operator - never lent out to individuals or groups.
>
> Contact me off list at - aa6ml at arrl.org
>
> I am a long-time Elecraft user, having two (2) complete K-Lines, as well as KX3?s (2) and a K2, so I know the quality of these products. I am also a former Vice Director of ARRL?s SouthEastern Division - and am a 100% reliable seller.
>
> Payment by Cashier?s Check or Postal Money Order?ONLY
>
> Thanks for looking,
>
> Mike - AA6ML
> aa6ml at arrl.org

From rsoifer1 at aol.com  Thu Jun  1 11:11:37 2017
From: rsoifer1 at aol.com (rsoifer1 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2017 11:11:37 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 transformer taps
Message-ID: <15c643644de-6690-26825@webprd-m96.mail.aol.com>


With no load, my AC line voltage is 121 and my power supply voltage is 73.  With full load, the readings are 111 and 53, respectively.  That is with the yellow transformer tap in place.  Should I switch to another tap?


73 Ray W2RS



From mikelee0531 at me.com  Thu Jun  1 10:41:21 2017
From: mikelee0531 at me.com (mikelee0531 at me.com)
Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2017 10:41:21 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] FS: K3-#1 that is LOADED with 2M module
Message-ID: <d1f96d43-7818-4f29-a2d0-1e897ab691a5@Spark>

Unit is in Nearly-New Condition - non-Smoking environment and cared-for by an FCC Licensed Tech (FCC First Class Radio Telephone and Telegraph, with Radar and Avionics)

Serial Number ?# 6397

Has the following Options:

K3 Chassis, 100w Amp
KAT3A Tuner
2nd receiver
TCXO (although I normally use the external 10MHz reference)
10MHz Reference Lock board
KIO3B USB Upgrade
DVR
1st Receiver Filters : 13.0, 2.8, 1.8, 700, 400 - all 8-pole
2nd Receiver Filters: 2.8, 1.8, 700, 400 - all 8-pole
General Coverage module
2-meter module
2m RefLock
K-Pod (never used)

Total value (new) over $5,820.
Asking $4,200.00 + $75 shipping (insured, from Florida)

Selling to fund other projects in interests other than HF

NO KNOWN DEFECTS - Unit works perfectly. The only ?problem" is that it doesn?t get used very much, except to check-in on occasional nets. Never dropped or abused. Single owner, single operator - never lent out to individuals or groups.

Contact me off list at - aa6ml at arrl.org

I am a long-time Elecraft user, having two (2) complete K-Lines, as well as KX3?s (2) and a K2, so I know the quality of these products. I am also a former Vice Director of ARRL?s SouthEastern Division - and am a 100% reliable seller.

Payment by Cashier?s Check or Postal Money Order ONLY

Thanks for looking,

Mike - AA6ML
aa6ml at arrl.org


From josh at voodoolab.com  Thu Jun  1 11:28:22 2017
From: josh at voodoolab.com (Josh)
Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2017 08:28:22 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 transformer taps
In-Reply-To: <15c643644de-6690-26825@webprd-m96.mail.aol.com>
References: <15c643644de-6690-26825@webprd-m96.mail.aol.com>
Message-ID: <47B64B14-5B7A-4C14-87C2-C45D4CEA9B8D@voodoolab.com>

I'd be first concerned with the 10V drop in line voltage. Do you know where that's occurring?

73,
Josh W6XU

Sent from my mobile device

> On Jun 1, 2017, at 8:11 AM, Ray W2RS via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
> 
> 
> With no load, my AC line voltage is 121 and my power supply voltage is 73.  With full load, the readings are 111 and 53, respectively.  That is with the yellow transformer tap in place.  Should I switch to another tap?
> 
> 
> 


From mikelee0531 at me.com  Thu Jun  1 12:02:27 2017
From: mikelee0531 at me.com (mikelee0531 at me.com)
Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2017 12:02:27 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] FS : K3 that is LOADED,
	less 2M module and General Coverage
Message-ID: <b38cc638-2e09-42c9-baf8-1e2d43776179@Spark>

Unit is in Nearly-New Condition - non-Smoking environment and cared-for by an FCC Licensed Tech (FCC First Class Radio Telephone and Telegraph, with Radar and ?Avionics)

Serial Number ?# 5619

Has the following Options:

K3 Chassis, 100w Amp
KAT3A Tuner
2nd receiver
TCXO (although I normally use the external 10MHz reference)
10MHz Reference Lock board
KIO3B USB Upgrade
DVR
1st Receiver Filters : 2.8, 1.0, 700, 250 - all 8-pole
2nd Receiver Filters: 2.8, 1.0, 700, 250 - all 8-pole

Total value (new) over $4,900.
Asking $3,400.00 + $75 shipping (insured, from Florida)

Selling to fund other projects in interests other than HF

NO KNOWN DEFECTS?- Unit works perfectly. The only ?problem" is that it doesn?t get used very much, except to check-in on occasional nets. Never dropped or abused. Single owner, single operator - never lent out to individuals or groups.

Contact me off list at - aa6ml at arrl.org

I am a long-time Elecraft user, having two (2) complete K-Lines, as well as KX3?s (2) and a K2, so I know the quality of these products. I am also a former Vice Director of ARRL?s SouthEastern Division - and am a 100% reliable seller.

Payment by Cashier?s Check or Postal Money Order?ONLY

Thanks for looking,

Mike - AA6ML
aa6ml at arrl.org

From mikelee0531 at me.com  Thu Jun  1 12:04:06 2017
From: mikelee0531 at me.com (mikelee0531 at me.com)
Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2017 12:04:06 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] FS : KAT500
Message-ID: <7b8c4caa-ea57-465a-a98f-3881511f870f@Spark>

Unit is in Nearly-New Condition - non-Smoking environment and cared-for by an FCC Licensed Tech (FCC First Class Radio Telephone and Telegraph, with Radar and ?Avionics)

Serial Number ?# 0219

Has the following Options:

KAT-500 Tuner
Cable set for KAT->KPA500

Total value (new) over $659
Asking $450 + $40 shipping (insured, from Florida)

Selling to fund other projects in interests other than HF

NO KNOWN DEFECTS?- Unit works perfectly. The only ?problem" is that it doesn?t get used very much, except to check-in on occasional nets. Never dropped or abused. Single owner, single operator - never lent out to individuals or groups.

Contact me off list at - aa6ml at arrl.org

I am a long-time Elecraft user, having two (2) complete K-Lines, as well as KX3?s (2) and a K2, so I know the quality of these products. I am also a former Vice Director of ARRL?s SouthEastern Division - and am a 100% reliable seller.

Payment by Cashier?s Check or Postal Money Order?ONLY

Thanks for looking,

Mike - AA6ML
aa6ml at arrl.org

From mikelee0531 at me.com  Thu Jun  1 11:23:22 2017
From: mikelee0531 at me.com (mikelee0531 at me.com)
Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2017 11:23:22 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] FS : T2X Rotator with Green Heron RT-21
Message-ID: <adb79b9a-666d-4226-9956-af18d7d89ea9@Spark>

Unit is in Nearly-New Condition - non-Smoking environment and cared-for by an FCC Licensed Tech (FCC First Class Radio Telephone and Telegraph, with Radar and Avionics)

Rotator is freshly remanufactured and looks-and-works like brand-new
Green Heron RT-21 is just amazing with this rotator
Used for auto-turning of small Hex beam (overkill)
not longer required, since I?m moving to VHF+
Units were barely used

Total value (new) over $1,165
Asking $700.00 + $60 shipping (insured, from Florida)
The cost of an RT-21 is alone $585, so this is like getting the T2X for a mere $115.00 !!
This package is VERY HEAVY, so it will be specially packed to avoid damage to either unit

Selling to fund other projects in interests other than HF

NO KNOWN DEFECTS?- Unit works perfectly. The only ?problem" is that it doesn?t get used very much, except to check-in on occasional nets. Never dropped or abused. Single owner, single operator - never lent out to individuals or groups.

Contact me off list at - aa6ml at arrl.org

I am a long-time Elecraft user, having two (2) complete K-Lines, as well as KX3?s (2) and a K2, so I know the quality of these products. I am also a former Vice Director of ARRL?s SouthEastern Division - and am a 100% reliable seller.

Payment by Cashier?s Check or Postal Money Order?ONLY

Thanks for looking,

Mike - AA6ML
aa6ml at arrl.org

From mikelee0531 at me.com  Thu Jun  1 11:59:34 2017
From: mikelee0531 at me.com (mikelee0531 at me.com)
Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2017 11:59:34 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] FS : Buddipole Deluxe Package - with extras, minus tripod
Message-ID: <cfdcf4d4-17a4-41ca-b3db-a6f0cfdad324@Spark>

Unit is in Nearly-New Condition - non-Smoking environment and cared-for by an FCC Licensed Tech (FCC First Class Radio Telephone and Telegraph, with Radar and ?Avionics)

Buddipole Deluxe Package, with
Rigid Adjustable Whip - 4-section, 32-inch (1-unit for making verticals)
Triple-Ratio Switch Balun
(2) 80M coils
3 extra long arms (2 black anodized, 1 silver)
Long Carry Bag

Total value (new) over $675.00 (tripod cost already subtracted)
Asking $450 + $25 shipping (oversized and insured, from Florida)

Selling to fund other projects in interests other than HF

NO KNOWN DEFECTS?- Unit works perfectly. The only ?problem" is that it doesn?t get used very much, except to check-in on occasional nets. Never dropped or abused. Single owner, single operator - never lent out to individuals or groups.

Contact me off list at - aa6ml at arrl.org

I am a long-time Elecraft user, having two (2) complete K-Lines, as well as KX3?s (2) and a K2, so I know the quality of these products. I am also a former Vice Director of ARRL?s SouthEastern Division - and am a 100% reliable seller.

Payment by Cashier?s Check or Postal Money Order?ONLY

Thanks for looking,

Mike - AA6ML
aa6ml at arrl.org


From k2asp at kanafi.org  Thu Jun  1 12:41:45 2017
From: k2asp at kanafi.org (Phil Kane)
Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2017 09:41:45 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 transformer taps
In-Reply-To: <15c643644de-6690-26825@webprd-m96.mail.aol.com>
References: <15c643644de-6690-26825@webprd-m96.mail.aol.com>
Message-ID: <ecffa668-84c4-15d7-6caa-bb59bff1737b@kanafi.org>

On 6/1/2017 8:11 AM, Ray W2RS via Elecraft wrote:
> 
> With no load, my AC line voltage is 121 and my power supply voltage
> is 73.  With full load, the readings are 111 and 53, respectively.
> That is with the yellow transformer tap in place.  Should I switch to
> another tap?
As Josh said earlier, be very concerned about the10 volt drop in the AC
voltage measured at the load.  Depending on the "amp-feet" of the
circuity feeding the load, the drop for a 1 KW AC load should be no more
than the industry standard of 2 volts.

 If you have the opportunity, put the amplifier on a dummy load and
measure (CAREFULLY) the AC voltage at the entrance panel, the socket if
it's a duplex one, and the load taps.  This will tell you where the drop
is occurring.  I can't emphasize it more - BE CAREFUL.  As an EE you
know that.

(Among other things my company designs comm station AC and DC power
installations - if you need help, just ask.)

Ray - contact me directly.  Our paths have crossed way back when......

73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane (since 1952)
Elecraft K2/100   s/n 5402

VP - General Counsel & Engineering Manager
CSI Telecommunications, Inc. - Consulting Engineers
San Francisco, CA - Beaverton, OR

From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Thu Jun  1 13:21:13 2017
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2017 10:21:13 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 transformer taps
In-Reply-To: <ecffa668-84c4-15d7-6caa-bb59bff1737b@kanafi.org>
References: <15c643644de-6690-26825@webprd-m96.mail.aol.com>
	<ecffa668-84c4-15d7-6caa-bb59bff1737b@kanafi.org>
Message-ID: <b2f3dd4c-0b1d-eccc-cabc-0c758b47cdb6@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On Thu,6/1/2017 9:41 AM, Phil Kane wrote:
> As Josh said earlier, be very concerned about the10 volt drop in the AC
> voltage measured at the load.

All great advice. Also, try to trace the wiring that feeds the outlet 
that the amp is plugged into. Possible causes of the high voltage drop 
are 1) conductors that are too small (AWG #14 is the smallest permitted 
for a 15A circuit, #12 for a 20A circuit); 2) bad splices; 3) miswiring 
of outlets or splices (reversals of hot and neutral, or hot and ground, 
or neutral and ground); 4) degraded outlets; 5) miswiring of the KPA500 
power cable (like #3).

For a circuit carrying this much current from an electronic load, wiring 
should be a direct run of #12 (hot, neutral, and ground) from the power 
panel to the outlet. While #12 is not legally required for a 15A 
circuit, the larger conductors reduce IR drop.

AND -- load current to electronic loads is NOT a sine wave, but instead 
consists of pulses at positive and negative peaks of the waveform to 
recharge filter caps in the power supply. This causes IR drop to be 
greater than predicted by application of Ohm's Law to a sine wave. SO -- 
it's good engineering practice to oversize conductors on circuits for 
electronic loads. Two wire sizes is a good rule of thumb.

73, Jim K9YC


From tshuya at hotmail.com  Thu Jun  1 13:53:18 2017
From: tshuya at hotmail.com (ve5hf)
Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2017 10:53:18 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] [K2] Classic Elecraft K2 kit for sale
In-Reply-To: <1496331517823-7631336.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1490935110489-7628764.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<1496331517823-7631336.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <DM5PR22MB0667E62C8B8C5A5A10274DE4CDF60@DM5PR22MB0667.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>

Sorry i not entirely sure how this message board works. I have not sold the kit yet.


------------------------------------------

Terry Shuya

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Date: Thu, Jun 1, 2017 9:38 AM
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Cc:
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This may be sold.  Terry doesn't answer email.

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From mikelee0531 at me.com  Thu Jun  1 17:37:08 2017
From: mikelee0531 at me.com (mikelee0531 at me.com)
Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2017 17:37:08 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] FS : KX3 with LOADED configuration for QRP on DIGITAL
	modes
Message-ID: <94938077-6d37-4d59-bf61-0af15cf97b89@Spark>

Unit is in Nearly-New Condition - non-Smoking environment and cared-for by an FCC Licensed Tech (FCC First Class Radio Telephone and Telegraph, with Radar and ?Avionics)

This is the IDEAL QRP Digital Mode station - including the Signalink and all cables, RTG (Ready To Go)

Serial Number # 968

Has the following Options:

Elecraft KX3 Base configuration
Pro Audio Engineering Kx31 Heat Sink (for digital modes)
KXFL3 Roofing Filters
KXAT3 Internal Tuner (10:1)
KXBC3 Battery Charger
KXPD3 Paddles
KX-PCKT Cable Kit
Signalink w/ KX3 Cables
Binding Post to BNC Adapter
Eneloop Pro Batteries (installed)


Total value (new) over $1,785
Asking $1,200 + $40 shipping (insured, from Florida)


NO KNOWN DEFECTS?- Unit works perfectly. The only ?problem" is that it doesn?t get used very much, except to check-in on occasional nets. Never dropped or abused. Single owner, single operator - never lent out to individuals or groups.

Contact me off list at -?aa6ml at arrl.org

I am a long-time Elecraft user, having two (2) complete K-Lines, as well as KX3?s (2) and a K2, so I know the quality of these products. I am also a former Vice Director of ARRL?s SouthEastern Division - and am a 100% reliable seller.

Payment by Cashier?s Check or Postal Money Order?ONLY

Thanks for looking,

Mike - AA6ML
aa6ml at arrl.org

From mikelee0531 at me.com  Thu Jun  1 12:34:01 2017
From: mikelee0531 at me.com (mikelee0531 at me.com)
Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2017 12:34:01 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] FS : KX2 Package
Message-ID: <0a1d35f4-695d-475c-a3bb-fd64cbf94ad3@Spark>

Unit is in Nearly-New Condition - non-Smoking environment and cared-for by an FCC Licensed Tech (FCC First Class Radio Telephone and Telegraph, with Radar and ?Avionics)

Serial Number ?# 282

Has the following Options:

Elecraft KX2
KXAT2 Auto Tuner
KXPD2 Precision Paddles
LNR Precision EFT-10/20/40 QRP Antenna
LiPo Battery (already installed inside the unit)
LiPo Battery (spare)
LiPo Charger

Total value (new) over 1,259
Asking $750 + $35 shipping (insured, from Florida)


NO KNOWN DEFECTS?- Unit works perfectly. The only ?problem" is that it doesn?t get used very much, except to check-in on occasional nets. Never dropped or abused. Single owner, single operator - never lent out to individuals or groups.

Contact me off list at - aa6ml at arrl.org

I am a long-time Elecraft user, having two (2) complete K-Lines, as well as KX3?s (2) and a K2, so I know the quality of these products. I am also a former Vice Director of ARRL?s SouthEastern Division - and am a 100% reliable seller.

Payment by Cashier?s Check or Postal Money Order?ONLY

Thanks for looking,

Mike - AA6ML
aa6ml at arrl.org

best,

Mike

Michael Lee
(702) 494-9066
mikelee0531 at me.com

From mikelee0531 at me.com  Thu Jun  1 12:34:37 2017
From: mikelee0531 at me.com (mikelee0531 at me.com)
Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2017 12:34:37 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] FS : CrankIR Antenna Package - DELUXE
Message-ID: <9b47be32-5bd3-425c-8d83-55f007a56e15@Spark>

Unit is in Nearly-New Condition - non-Smoking environment and cared-for by an FCC Licensed Tech (FCC First Class Radio Telephone and Telegraph, with Radar and ?Avionics)


Has the following Options:

SteppIR?s CrankIR Portable Vertical
Infinitely adjustable - works on WACR and LMR frequencies
80 Meter Add-On package
Extension Tubes for 40/80 meters
Heavy Duty Tripod

Total value (new) over $720
Asking $500 + $40 shipping (insured, from Florida)

Selling to fund other projects in interests other than HF

NO KNOWN DEFECTS?- Unit works perfectly. The only ?problem" is that it doesn?t get used very much, except to check-in on occasional nets. Never dropped or abused. Single owner, single operator - never lent out to individuals or groups.

Contact me off list at - aa6ml at arrl.org

I am a long-time Elecraft user, having two (2) complete K-Lines, as well as KX3?s (2) and a K2, so I know the quality of these products. I am also a former Vice Director of ARRL?s SouthEastern Division - and am a 100% reliable seller.

Payment by Cashier?s Check or Postal Money Order?ONLY

Thanks for looking,

Mike - AA6ML
aa6ml at arrl.org

From mikelee0531 at me.com  Thu Jun  1 18:36:54 2017
From: mikelee0531 at me.com (mikelee0531 at me.com)
Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2017 18:36:54 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] FS : SOLD Items
Message-ID: <da28bf94-86ca-41fa-a8fa-f657a7f88005@Spark>

We?ve had some wonderful reaction to the items that have been up for sale so far.

I thank the wonderful people who have responded with offers. There?s no better feeling than insuring that your ?babies? are going to loving homes..!

To Date, the following have been SOLD, are awaiting payment - ?and are no longer available:

- Elecraft P3 with accessories
- Elecraft KPA-500 with cable
- Elecraft KAT-500 with Cable to KPA500
- Elecraft KX3 and all the accessories
- Elecraft KX2 and accessories

There is a pending offer for the Green Heron RT-21 with the T2X Rotator - awaiting clearance from the family CFO (we all know how that works? LOL )

Still available are :

Elecraft K3 - super loaded with 2M module, General Coverage, K-Pod, 2nd receiver and all the goodies, including numerous K3s updates like the USB - see the ad. Also includes the transverter interface. Valued at $5,820 but offered for $4,200+shipping

Elecraft K3 - super loaded but WITHOUT the 2M module, General Coverage and K-Pod. Still has the 2nd receiver and all the goodies - again, see the ad for all the details. Both of these units have the transverter interface, so you can use up/down converters for microwave bands without a problem. Valued at $4925 but offered for $3,400+shipping

Buddiple Deluxe Package - a great portable antenna with a lot of accessories - valued at $675 but ?offered for $450+shipping

SteppIR?s CrankIR Portable Vertical with 80M add-on kit and extension tubes - valued at $720 but offered for $500+shipping

Many thanks to all,

Mike - AA6ML

From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Thu Jun  1 19:13:22 2017
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2017 19:13:22 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 transformer taps
In-Reply-To: <ecffa668-84c4-15d7-6caa-bb59bff1737b@kanafi.org>
References: <15c643644de-6690-26825@webprd-m96.mail.aol.com>
	<ecffa668-84c4-15d7-6caa-bb59bff1737b@kanafi.org>
Message-ID: <9f6e3e0b-2b9c-1847-07ff-05ba2f5eb88f@embarqmail.com>

Ray,

As Phil has indicated, the 10 volt drop in the AC mains may be the only 
problem and should be investigated.  Tracking it down to the trouble 
spot as Phil has detailed is the 'only way to go'.
What I would look for is loose connections (screws) at the breaker box 
and at each receptacle that is connected to that circuit.

If you are capable, remove each receptacle in the circuit and check it. 
If it is wired with the push-in 'backstab' connectors, remove the wires 
and connect them securely under the screws.

There are two types of "backstab" connectors.  One type uses the screw 
to tighten a clamp around the wire.  Those are normally OK, but you may 
want to make certain the screws are tight.
The other type does not depend on the screws, but just have prongs in 
the wire insertion holes to secure the wire.  If you have that type, 
remove the wire (twist while pulling and it will come out) and secure 
the wire under the screwhead.

With that much AC voltage drop under load, you have a condition where 
the failing junction has significant resistance and could cause 
overheating and possibly a fire.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 6/1/2017 12:41 PM, Phil Kane wrote:
> On 6/1/2017 8:11 AM, Ray W2RS via Elecraft wrote:
>>
>> With no load, my AC line voltage is 121 and my power supply voltage
>> is 73.  With full load, the readings are 111 and 53, respectively.
>> That is with the yellow transformer tap in place.  Should I switch to
>> another tap?
> As Josh said earlier, be very concerned about the10 volt drop in the AC
> voltage measured at the load.  Depending on the "amp-feet" of the
> circuity feeding the load, the drop for a 1 KW AC load should be no more
> than the industry standard of 2 volts.
> 
>   If you have the opportunity, put the amplifier on a dummy load and
> measure (CAREFULLY) the AC voltage at the entrance panel, the socket if
> it's a duplex one, and the load taps.  This will tell you where the drop
> is occurring.  I can't emphasize it more - BE CAREFUL.  As an EE you
> know that.
> 

From k9fd at flex.com  Thu Jun  1 20:19:03 2017
From: k9fd at flex.com (Merv Schweigert)
Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2017 14:19:03 -1000
Subject: [Elecraft] New radio , new display
In-Reply-To: <9f6e3e0b-2b9c-1847-07ff-05ba2f5eb88f@embarqmail.com>
References: <15c643644de-6690-26825@webprd-m96.mail.aol.com>
	<ecffa668-84c4-15d7-6caa-bb59bff1737b@kanafi.org>
	<9f6e3e0b-2b9c-1847-07ff-05ba2f5eb88f@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <5930AEF7.7090009@flex.com>

All the messages pro and con for a new display on the K3 etc,

Here is a new one for ya in the QRP class

http://www.dxzone.com/rs-918ssb-hf-sdr-transceiver/

Dont know if its more than a crystal set, dont know if it even works
looks like copies of a several radios,  priced where you can buy it and
love the display if nothing else,
Not going to buy one,  no interest,  just thought it may be what those
who dont care about performance and only looks may be looking for.

Merv K9FD/KH6

From wd1v at me.com  Thu Jun  1 23:12:09 2017
From: wd1v at me.com (John Seney)
Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2017 23:12:09 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Test Msg
Message-ID: <59323E55-50B5-457E-9E2D-A3D306738730@me.com>



From k0emt at dbbear.com  Thu Jun  1 23:48:23 2017
From: k0emt at dbbear.com (Bryan Nehl)
Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2017 22:48:23 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] OT Re:  New radio , new display -- mcHF
In-Reply-To: <5930AEF7.7090009@flex.com>
References: <15c643644de-6690-26825@webprd-m96.mail.aol.com>
	<ecffa668-84c4-15d7-6caa-bb59bff1737b@kanafi.org>
	<9f6e3e0b-2b9c-1847-07ff-05ba2f5eb88f@embarqmail.com>
	<5930AEF7.7090009@flex.com>
Message-ID: <44A3B81E-63FF-4377-A6F9-8480DE6A960D@dbbear.com>

Also, last known to be infringing on the rights of the original developer.
http://www.m0nka.co.uk/?p=5258 <http://www.m0nka.co.uk/?p=5258>

> Here is a new one for ya in the QRP class
> 
> http://www.dxzone.com/rs-918ssb-hf-sdr-transceiver/

73,

Bryan - k0emt

From k9fd at flex.com  Fri Jun  2 00:26:52 2017
From: k9fd at flex.com (Merv Schweigert)
Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2017 18:26:52 -1000
Subject: [Elecraft] OT Re: New radio , new display -- mcHF
In-Reply-To: <44A3B81E-63FF-4377-A6F9-8480DE6A960D@dbbear.com>
References: <15c643644de-6690-26825@webprd-m96.mail.aol.com>
	<ecffa668-84c4-15d7-6caa-bb59bff1737b@kanafi.org>
	<9f6e3e0b-2b9c-1847-07ff-05ba2f5eb88f@embarqmail.com>
	<5930AEF7.7090009@flex.com>
	<44A3B81E-63FF-4377-A6F9-8480DE6A960D@dbbear.com>
Message-ID: <5930E90C.10201@flex.com>

I also heard that the boards were old versions and not the latest ver.
Having lived near Shenzhen and worked with many Chinese companies,
this is normal. nuff said.

73 Merv
> Also, last known to be infringing on the rights of the original developer.
> http://www.m0nka.co.uk/?p=5258 <http://www.m0nka.co.uk/?p=5258>
>
>> Here is a new one for ya in the QRP class
>>
>> http://www.dxzone.com/rs-918ssb-hf-sdr-transceiver/
> 73,
>
> Bryan - k0emt
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From mzilmer at roadrunner.com  Fri Jun  2 00:34:34 2017
From: mzilmer at roadrunner.com (Matt Zilmer)
Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2017 21:34:34 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] New radio , new display
In-Reply-To: <5930AEF7.7090009@flex.com>
References: <15c643644de-6690-26825@webprd-m96.mail.aol.com>
	<ecffa668-84c4-15d7-6caa-bb59bff1737b@kanafi.org>
	<9f6e3e0b-2b9c-1847-07ff-05ba2f5eb88f@embarqmail.com>
	<5930AEF7.7090009@flex.com>
Message-ID: <166d9e64-14ae-7c34-294c-111b28b436d6@roadrunner.com>

Interesting. At first glance it appears to have some disadvantages 
compared to the Elecraft KX3. Regarding portable use:

   - 450 mA in RX mode (more than 2.5X that of the KX3)

   - no 6 meters

   - no 2 or 4 meter option

   - no built-in ATU

   - no indication of a built-in battery pack or charger

   - no CW/data message buffers

   - no mention of a KX3-comparable set of frequency memory features

   - no CW/PSK/FSK decode/encode

    - no paddle-based internal PSK31/63 or FSK transmit

    - no APF (a killer KX3/KX2 feature for digging out weak CW signals)

    - no attached keyer paddle option

Missing KX3 features, or performance questions:

    - 160 meter TX

    - AM transmit

    - direct frequency entry

    - programmable function switches

    - voice-mode DVR

    - dual watch

    - no indication of blocking dynamic range at any spacing

    - no mention of roofing filters

    - no statement regarding transmit phase noise

The 0.5 ppm spec for the optional TCXO is +/- 15 Hz on 10 meters.  The 
currently shipping KX3 with extended temperature compensation (no $) is 
more like +/- 0.1 ppm.

RX and TX performance are unknown (you probably get what you pay for in 
terms of ADC and DAC). One red flag is the serial data connector, 
located directly adjacent to the BNC antenna jack. This would simply not 
work if you were using a wire antenna attached directly to the radio, as 
is possible with the KX3 and KX2.

The spectral display is a nice feature, but it appears to be about 0.5" 
x 1.5", which is less than a tenth the size of the PX3's spectral 
display. This is virtually unusable, either in the field or at the home 
QTH.  The PX3 has many direct controls, waterfall AND spectrum display.

73,

matt W6NIA



On 6/1/2017 5:19 PM, Merv Schweigert via Elecraft wrote:
> All the messages pro and con for a new display on the K3 etc,
>
> Here is a new one for ya in the QRP class
>
> http://www.dxzone.com/rs-918ssb-hf-sdr-transceiver/
>
> Dont know if its more than a crystal set, dont know if it even works
> looks like copies of a several radios,  priced where you can buy it and
> love the display if nothing else,
> Not going to buy one,  no interest,  just thought it may be what those
> who dont care about performance and only looks may be looking for.
>
> Merv K9FD/KH6
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From ae5x at juno.com  Fri Jun  2 05:59:22 2017
From: ae5x at juno.com (John AE5X)
Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2017 09:59:22 GMT
Subject: [Elecraft]  New radio , new display
Message-ID: <20170602.045922.32600.0@webmail13.vgs.untd.com>

This is nothing more than yet another chinese effort at cloning work and creativity done by others, this time by M0NKA and his kit here:
http://www.m0nka.co.uk/

John AE5X
http://ae5x.blogspot.com/
 
 


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From cbjesseeNH at comcast.net  Fri Jun  2 09:09:11 2017
From: cbjesseeNH at comcast.net (MaverickNH)
Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2017 06:09:11 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] [K3S] JT65-HF Beginner
In-Reply-To: <591b2329-3461-eb59-c3d1-05cb5699b546@embarqmail.com>
References: <1495894678724-7631145.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<591b2329-3461-eb59-c3d1-05cb5699b546@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <1496408951869-7631355.post@n2.nabble.com>

OK - on WSJT-X working well. MIC Gain adjusted to 4bbars and 5th flickering.
How best to adjust lower left dB  bar? I'm leaving the pointer in the middle
and adjusting to 30 with RF Gain knob but that seems to require constant
tweaks.

Bret/N4SRN



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From jim at jtmiller.com  Fri Jun  2 10:15:00 2017
From: jim at jtmiller.com (Jim Miller)
Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2017 10:15:00 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Very simple remote App for K3s?
Message-ID: <CACYeN9wsSmYdpdiq1XzxeUbX=TB+oRdiySDcufq0_eGot6q_TQ@mail.gmail.com>

I've been playing with remoting my K3s and now have Skype working for SSB.

I'd like to use TeamViewer to activate the simplest of K3s controls for
this purpose, i.e. PTT and adjusting the transmit frequency.

I'd like the minimum set of controls to make use with TeamViewer on the
iPhone easier to manipulate.

This app would be running on the PC attached to the K3s.

Suggestions welcome!

73

jim ab3cv

From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Fri Jun  2 10:03:16 2017
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2017 10:03:16 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] [K3S] JT65-HF Beginner
In-Reply-To: <1496408951869-7631355.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1495894678724-7631145.post@n2.nabble.com>
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Bret,

You may have better luck with running the RF Gain full and adjusting 
with the AF gain.  That way the RX AGC will smooth out variations in the 
signal level.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 6/2/2017 9:09 AM, MaverickNH wrote:
> OK - on WSJT-X working well. MIC Gain adjusted to 4bbars and 5th flickering.
> How best to adjust lower left dB  bar? I'm leaving the pointer in the middle
> and adjusting to 30 with RF Gain knob but that seems to require constant
> tweaks.

From ve3iay at gmail.com  Fri Jun  2 12:01:25 2017
From: ve3iay at gmail.com (Richard Ferch)
Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2017 12:01:25 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] [K3S] JT65-HF Beginner
Message-ID: <CAJ-xeHmJ2Ndq8DMdZdep134GqZn2weSteOLPa3RqniqUO3cTrQ@mail.gmail.com>

If you are using Line Out with a fixed gain setting to feed audio to
WSJT-X, adjusting the AF control will not do anything. What I do is leave
my RF gain control at its normal position (around 3 o'clock) and use the
slider at the lower left in the WSJT-X window to compensate for gain
variations.

73,
Rich VE3KI

W3FPR wrote:

> Bret,
>
> You may have better luck with running the RF Gain full and adjusting
> with the AF gain.  That way the RX AGC will smooth out variations in the
> signal level.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 6/2/2017 9:09 AM, MaverickNH wrote:
> > OK - on WSJT-X working well. MIC Gain adjusted to 4bbars and 5th flickering.
> > How best to adjust lower left dB  bar? I'm leaving the pointer in the middle
> > and adjusting to 30 with RF Gain knob but that seems to require constant
> > tweaks.

From doug at k0dxv.com  Fri Jun  2 16:20:15 2017
From: doug at k0dxv.com (Doug Person)
Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2017 14:20:15 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] New radio , new display
In-Reply-To: <20170602.045922.32600.0@webmail13.vgs.untd.com>
References: <20170602.045922.32600.0@webmail13.vgs.untd.com>
Message-ID: <03cc4379-17f0-d7eb-eb85-46669a374b53@k0dxv.com>

M0MKA does have his source on github which kind of implies it's open 
source.  Elsewhere he says his code is available for non-commercial use. 
So there is a bit of a contradiction going on.  Nonetheless, Risen is 
clearly using his interface design. The Chinese view the world a little 
differently. To use something someone else has developed is somewhat of 
a compliment.  If they were moral players the would contact M0MKA and 
arrange a licensing agreement.  This, however, is unlikely to happen.  
Otherwise, M0MKA's design is very nice indeed.

Doug -- K0DXV


On 6/2/2017 3:59 AM, John AE5X wrote:
> This is nothing more than yet another chinese effort at cloning work and creativity done by others, this time by M0NKA and his kit here:
> http://www.m0nka.co.uk/
>
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From ae5x at juno.com  Fri Jun  2 14:31:48 2017
From: ae5x at juno.com (John AE5X)
Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2017 18:31:48 GMT
Subject: [Elecraft]  New radio , new display
Message-ID: <20170602.133148.31242.0@webmail12.vgs.untd.com>

>From http://www.m0nka.co.uk/?page_id=2

"Firmware is released as open source and most project files are released as well, with the only restriction of not commercial use (manufacturing and sales of kits or complete product)."

John AE5X
http://ae5x.blogspot.com/
 
 

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From n1rx at comcast.net  Fri Jun  2 14:54:09 2017
From: n1rx at comcast.net (Bruce Beford)
Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2017 14:54:09 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] August 21st Eclipse Net?
Message-ID: <C97EE13758F149D58D784364E9DEBBBF@FamilyPC>

Does anyone know of any plans for any HF nets that will be running
specifically for observers of the Solar Eclipse on August 21st? I plan to
travel to Nebraska for the event, and will have radios with me (of course.)
Bruce Beford, N1RX


From jlbates4 at gmail.com  Fri Jun  2 15:16:34 2017
From: jlbates4 at gmail.com (jlbates4)
Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2017 12:16:34 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Macro query
In-Reply-To: <201272155455.997040@Shack>
References: <20127211237.059055@Shack>
	<1341240123645-7558474.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<201272155455.997040@Shack>
Message-ID: <1496430994195-7631362.post@n2.nabble.com>

I need some help understanding SWH/SWT commands and assignments to
PF[1|2]|M[1-4]keys:

I'm trying to assign a MACRO5 to PF1; but it fails to perform the SWT19
function...  Please see tests below...





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From KX2_KX3 at swsports.org  Fri Jun  2 15:19:56 2017
From: KX2_KX3 at swsports.org (Tom Francis, W1TEF)
Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2017 15:19:56 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] August 21st Eclipse Net?
In-Reply-To: <C97EE13758F149D58D784364E9DEBBBF@FamilyPC>
References: <C97EE13758F149D58D784364E9DEBBBF@FamilyPC>
Message-ID: <7ce27667-5ea6-c324-c54e-583c164cbc52@swsports.org>

There is a plan to have study the effect.

http://eng.umb.edu/~eclipsemob/

Tom, W1TEF
Lexington, SC


On 6/2/2017 2:54 PM, Bruce Beford wrote:
> Does anyone know of any plans for any HF nets that will be running
> specifically for observers of the Solar Eclipse on August 21st? I plan to
> travel to Nebraska for the event, and will have radios with me (of course.)
> Bruce Beford, N1RX
>
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From Jim.Kutsch at ky2d.com  Fri Jun  2 15:25:23 2017
From: Jim.Kutsch at ky2d.com (Jim Kutsch)
Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2017 15:25:23 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S auto spot question
Message-ID: <020b01d2dbd5$fb4955d0$f1dc0170$@ky2d.com>

I'm still learning my new K3S and haven't yet figured out CW auto spot. I
have auto spot turned on (tap of the 0 key) and activate auto spot by a tap
of the * key while listening to a strong CW signal. Based on my experience
with KX3 auto spot, I would expect the VFO frequency to be automatically
adjusted and for me to hear a change in the pitch of the received CW signal.
But, nothing happens. It was suggested that I widen the passband which I
did. Still nothing when I press the asterisk key.

 

Am I doing something wrong or misunderstanding how the K3S auto spot is
supposed to work? I use this feature frequently on the KX3 and find it very
valuable.

 

Thanks for any comments

 

73, Jim, KY2D

 


From ron at cobi.biz  Fri Jun  2 18:28:03 2017
From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire)
Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2017 15:28:03 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] August 21st Eclipse Net?
In-Reply-To: <7ce27667-5ea6-c324-c54e-583c164cbc52@swsports.org>
References: <C97EE13758F149D58D784364E9DEBBBF@FamilyPC>
	<7ce27667-5ea6-c324-c54e-583c164cbc52@swsports.org>
Message-ID: <001b01d2dbef$80684730$8138d590$@biz>

Isn't that simply focused on WWVB propagation to see the effect on VLF
signals? 

73, Ron AC7AC

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Sent: Friday, June 2, 2017 12:20 PM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] August 21st Eclipse Net?

There is a plan to have study the effect.

http://eng.umb.edu/~eclipsemob/

Tom, W1TEF
Lexington, SC


On 6/2/2017 2:54 PM, Bruce Beford wrote:
> Does anyone know of any plans for any HF nets that will be running 
> specifically for observers of the Solar Eclipse on August 21st? I plan 
> to travel to Nebraska for the event, and will have radios with me (of 
> course.) Bruce Beford, N1RX
>
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From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Fri Jun  2 19:01:17 2017
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2017 19:01:17 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S auto spot question
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References: <020b01d2dbd5$fb4955d0$f1dc0170$@ky2d.com>
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Jim,

I do not see an asterisk key on the K3S.
There is the SPOT (also "." [hold]) key that you should be using for 
auto-spot.  The top labels on the buttons are the tap functions. The 
lower labels are the HOLD functions.

You set CWT on by a tap on the CWT button.  The display should then show 
the CWT indicator at the top to the left of center.  If you do not have 
that display, CWT is not turned on - perhaps you held the CWT button too 
long (more than 1/2 second) - try again.

Narrow bandwidths work better unless there are few and widely spaced 
signals on the band.

Tune so the desired signal close to the center of the CWT display, and 
then tap SPOT to bring it to your set sidetone pitch.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 6/2/2017 3:25 PM, Jim Kutsch wrote:
> I'm still learning my new K3S and haven't yet figured out CW auto spot. I
> have auto spot turned on (tap of the 0 key) and activate auto spot by a tap
> of the * key while listening to a strong CW signal. Based on my experience
> with KX3 auto spot, I would expect the VFO frequency to be automatically
> adjusted and for me to hear a change in the pitch of the received CW signal.
> But, nothing happens. It was suggested that I widen the passband which I
> did. Still nothing when I press the asterisk key.
> 

From k6dgw at foothill.net  Fri Jun  2 20:07:17 2017
From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen)
Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2017 17:07:17 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] August 21st Eclipse Net?
In-Reply-To: <C97EE13758F149D58D784364E9DEBBBF@FamilyPC>
References: <C97EE13758F149D58D784364E9DEBBBF@FamilyPC>
Message-ID: <82409480-ff3a-3d4c-8665-83cdddf702bd@foothill.net>

Can't answer your question directly Bruce, but if there are ham 
experiments going on with the eclipsethat need to pass modest-sized 
messages, they might be able to travel via NTS and provide a little 
"real" traffic for those of us who still frequent that anachronism.

73,

Fred ("Skip") K6DGW
Sparks NV USA
Washoe County DM09dn



On 6/2/2017 11:54 AM, Bruce Beford wrote:
> Does anyone know of any plans for any HF nets that will be running
> specifically for observers of the Solar Eclipse on August 21st? I plan to
> travel to Nebraska for the event, and will have radios with me (of course.)
> Bruce Beford, N1RX
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From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Fri Jun  2 20:16:16 2017
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2017 20:16:16 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Macro query
In-Reply-To: <1496430994195-7631362.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <20127211237.059055@Shack>
	<1341240123645-7558474.post@n2.nabble.com> <201272155455.997040@Shack>
	<1496430994195-7631362.post@n2.nabble.com>
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Jim

I do not see the macros in your post, but you first have to assign the 
macros to the buttons, and then activate then by using the SWT/SWH 
commands listed in the K3 Programmers Reference.  It is a two step process.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 6/2/2017 3:16 PM, jlbates4 wrote:
> I need some help understanding SWH/SWT commands and assignments to
> PF[1|2]|M[1-4]keys:
> 
> I'm trying to assign a MACRO5 to PF1; but it fails to perform the SWT19
> function...  Please see tests below...
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From nvjims at gmail.com  Fri Jun  2 20:36:27 2017
From: nvjims at gmail.com (Jim Shepherd)
Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2017 17:36:27 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S+Fldigi+N3FJP Field Day does not transmit.
Message-ID: <CA+jbSKb-+eFEvD4K2eB2eF55cyB0GC11QsFMiiUcJyy1sbMkAg@mail.gmail.com>

I'm running these and they are reading the right frequencies, logging the
contacts, waterfall looks good on the P3 and the waterfall in Fldigi, it is
decoding correctly, but it is not transmitting...  I do have the combo
working well with N1MM+, but it is not transmitting with the N3FJP.  I'm
using the USB interface from a Windows 10 computer.   The club decided that
we are going to use that software, so I am stuck trying to get it to
work...  Any Ideas????

TNX, Jim W6US

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From jlbates4 at gmail.com  Fri Jun  2 21:06:20 2017
From: jlbates4 at gmail.com (Jim Bates)
Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2017 21:06:20 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Macro query
Message-ID: <CA++k6OMxNRkHq1mKKvoidmZQT1bSSsEoU8HqoT0848RFoAT55A@mail.gmail.com>

Don et al,
I'm not sure why the entire post didn't come through - (please reference
link:
http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-Macro-query-td7558469.html#a7631362)

Here's the original post:

I need some help understanding SWH/SWT commands and assignments to
PF[1|2]|M[1-4]keys:

I'm trying to assign a MACRO5 to PF1; but it fails to perform the SWT19
function...  Please see tests below...

Reference K3...KX2 Programmers Reference Guide G1; page 25
TAP       HOLD  nn
XMIT      TUNE  16
ATU Tune  ATU   19

Here are the macros:
MACRO1:  SWH16;
MACRO2:  SWT16;
MACRO3:  SWH19;
MACRO4:  SWT19;
MACRO5:  IS*1500;BW0280;AN1;MN023;MP002;MN255;PC100;SWT19;

When I execute from the K3 Utility Rev 1.16.7.25:
Macro Executed  K3 Response
MACRO1:         Manual Tune On/Off
MACRO2:         Enable Transmit On/Off
MACRO3:         Turned ATU On/Off
MACRO4:         Performed Auto Tune Function
MACRO5:         All values/functions complete successfully

Assign to M[1-4] as TAP (All works as expected)
Macro Executed  K3 Response
MACRO1:         Manual Tune On/Off
MACRO2:         Enable Transmit On/Off
MACRO3:         Turned ATU On/Off
MACRO4:         Performed Auto Tune Function
MACRO5:         All values/functions complete successfully

Assign to M[1-4] as HOLD (ERROR w/MACRO5)
Macro Executed  K3 Response
MACRO1:         Manual Tune On/Off
MACRO2:         Enable Transmit On/Off
MACRO3:         Turned ATU On/Off
MACRO4:         Performed Auto Tune Function
MACRO5:         All values/functions complete successfully EXCEPT SWT19

Assign to PF[1-2] as HOLD (ERROR w/MACRO5)
Macro Executed  K3 Response
MACRO1:         Manual Tune On/Off
MACRO2:         Enable Transmit On/Off
MACRO3:         Turned ATU On/Off
MACRO4:         Performed Auto Tune Function
MACRO5:         All values/functions complete successfully EXCEPT SWT19



---
Jim Bates
(804) 690-9143

On Fri, Jun 2, 2017 at 8:16 PM, Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com> wrote:

> Jim
>
> I do not see the macros in your post, but you first have to assign the
> macros to the buttons, and then activate then by using the SWT/SWH commands
> listed in the K3 Programmers Reference.  It is a two step process.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 6/2/2017 3:16 PM, jlbates4 wrote:
>
>> I need some help understanding SWH/SWT commands and assignments to
>> PF[1|2]|M[1-4]keys:
>>
>> I'm trying to assign a MACRO5 to PF1; but it fails to perform the SWT19
>> function...  Please see tests below...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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From nr4c at widomaker.com  Sat Jun  3 07:41:53 2017
From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c)
Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2017 07:41:53 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S+Fldigi+N3FJP Field Day does not transmit.
In-Reply-To: <CA+jbSKb-+eFEvD4K2eB2eF55cyB0GC11QsFMiiUcJyy1sbMkAg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+jbSKb-+eFEvD4K2eB2eF55cyB0GC11QsFMiiUcJyy1sbMkAg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C4084D02-BF5B-4D76-A820-CC1BEB7AA12B@widomaker.com>

Sounds like an N3FJP issue. Take out fldigi and see if it works. I've used Scott's program a lot for FD and never had problems with it. But not with fldigi involved. 

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill


> On Jun 2, 2017, at 8:36 PM, Jim Shepherd <nvjims at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I'm running these and they are reading the right frequencies, logging the
> contacts, waterfall looks good on the P3 and the waterfall in Fldigi, it is
> decoding correctly, but it is not transmitting...  I do have the combo
> working well with N1MM+, but it is not transmitting with the N3FJP.  I'm
> using the USB interface from a Windows 10 computer.   The club decided that
> we are going to use that software, so I am stuck trying to get it to
> work...  Any Ideas????
> 
> TNX, Jim W6US
> 
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From witmerjr at gmail.com  Sat Jun  3 08:05:09 2017
From: witmerjr at gmail.com (Bob Witmer)
Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2017 08:05:09 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 For Sale
Message-ID: <0796A9D6-B0C0-47B9-9AD8-007B8AEAC959@gmail.com>

 
Sell little used, never portable, factory assembled KX3 SN 93XX purchased December 2016 with the following factory installed Options:

KXATF3-F Internal , 20-W ATU
KX3FL3-F Dual-Passband Roofing Filter
KX3BC3-3 Internal NiMH Charger with Real-Time Clock

Also included:

MH3   Hand Microphone
KXSER   ACC1 to computer cable
E980232 ACC2 IO CABLE MODULE (Provides keying path for KPA500)
E850524 Factory right-angle connector power cable
E850524 KX3 Allen wrench
Original user manual
Elecraft Hat
Original KX3 factory shipping container.

Have completed many of my HF operation goals.  Re-configuring shack to take a different route ?

Price: $1,1200 OBO USPS money order or check, plus shipping 6 Lbs from 19446, Cont US only.  I?ll pay insurance Insurance. No PayPal.   Would consider traveling a reasonable distance to complete sale.

Please contact off list:  witmerjr at gmail.com

Bob  W3RW
Lansdale, PA 


From mikelee0531 at me.com  Sat Jun  3 12:37:33 2017
From: mikelee0531 at me.com (mikelee0531 at me.com)
Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2017 12:37:33 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3/0 Mini + RemoteRig System
Message-ID: <c42fb562-897f-4c13-8791-ab89c417ffe6@Spark>

Unit is in Nearly-New Condition - non-Smoking environment and cared-for by an FCC Licensed Tech (FCC First Class Radio Telephone and Telegraph, with Radar and ?Avionics)

Has the following Options:

Elecraft K3/0 Mini Control Panel
RemoteRig 1258MK2 (both remote and control sides) - configured for K3 and K3/0 Mini
WiFi modules + antennas for both RemoteRig Units
K3/0 Mini Control Cable to RemoteRig
RemoteRig cable for K3 (base)
Power Supply for RemoteRig (remote side) + K3/0 Mini

Total value (new) over $1,520
Asking $1,000 + $40 shipping

NO KNOWN DEFECTS?- Unit works perfectly. The only ?problem" is that it doesn?t get used very much, except to check-in on occasional nets. Never dropped or abused. Single owner, single operator - never lent out to individuals or groups.

Contact me off list at - aa6ml at arrl.org

I am a long-time Elecraft user, having two (2) complete K-Lines, as well as KX3?s (2) and a K2, so I know the quality of these products. I am also a former Vice Director of ARRL?s SouthEastern Division - and am a 100% reliable seller.

Payment by Cashier?s Check or Postal Money Order?ONLY

Thanks for looking,

Mike - AA6ML
aa6ml at arrl.org


From k6dgw at foothill.net  Sat Jun  3 15:28:47 2017
From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen)
Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2017 12:28:47 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Very simple remote App for K3s?
In-Reply-To: <CACYeN9wsSmYdpdiq1XzxeUbX=TB+oRdiySDcufq0_eGot6q_TQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACYeN9wsSmYdpdiq1XzxeUbX=TB+oRdiySDcufq0_eGot6q_TQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e5b64f99-f775-1005-5345-5e9ced599a66@foothill.net>

Teamviewer is a multi-user computer remote control program.  You can use 
it to control apps running on a remote PC.  One of those apps "could" be 
a program that controls the remote K3 via the RS-232 CAT port.  For CW, 
you'd still need some way to key the K3 from the control site.

TV is a mediated application and exhibits a varying amount of latency.  
Trying to drag things around the remote monitor is frustrating at 
bestand impossible when the latency is really high.  W7RN uses TV to 
give remote users access to the station automation [rotators, antenna 
switches, KPA500, etc], and sometimes even just managing a double-click 
can be difficult. TV is free for non-commercial users [it does nag you], 
possibly the latency would decrease dramatically if you spring for the 
licenses. [:-)

73,

Fred ("Skip") K6DGW
Sparks NV USA
Washoe County DM09dn

On 6/2/2017 7:15 AM, Jim Miller wrote:
> I've been playing with remoting my K3s and now have Skype working for SSB.
>
> I'd like to use TeamViewer to activate the simplest of K3s controls for
> this purpose, i.e. PTT and adjusting the transmit frequency.
>
> I'd like the minimum set of controls to make use with TeamViewer on the
> iPhone easier to manipulate.
>
> This app would be running on the PC attached to the K3s.
>
> Suggestions welcome!
>
> 73
>
> jim ab3cv
>


From repair at willcoele.com  Sat Jun  3 15:59:56 2017
From: repair at willcoele.com (Willco Repair/Memory)
Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2017 14:59:56 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft]  KPA500 transformer taps
Message-ID: <000001d2dca3$f9a5d360$ecf17a20$@willcoele.com>

Check your house wiring.  The outlet might be wired with 14 gauge wire and
is an extra-long run.  I have about 20ft of 12 gauge wire to the outlets in
my shack and key up is 123.6ac and 74.5dc.  Key down is 122.2 and 62.8.
 
-- 

Jack WA9FVP-  <http://www.willcoele.com/radio_repair>
http://www.willcoele.com/radio_repair 

The Radio Reclamation Center (815) 463-9365
 

From roman.brandau at gmail.com  Sat Jun  3 19:25:45 2017
From: roman.brandau at gmail.com (Roman Brandau)
Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2017 19:25:45 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KUSB
Message-ID: <B615ACA7-7A5A-4672-9E5F-D6B718518052@gmail.com>

I'm on a mini DXPedition and left my KUSB at home. Can a regular USB A-B cable be used? I'm guessing no...

Roman Brandau
WU8R
Sent from my iPhone

From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Sat Jun  3 19:45:22 2017
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2017 19:45:22 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KUSB
In-Reply-To: <B615ACA7-7A5A-4672-9E5F-D6B718518052@gmail.com>
References: <B615ACA7-7A5A-4672-9E5F-D6B718518052@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <86bebea7-dffc-193b-62d7-07db06c40bac@embarqmail.com>

Roman,

You did not say which transceiver you have, so I will try to give you 
the full answer.

If you have the K3S or a K3 with the updated KIO3B (with a USB input), 
then the answer is yes.  Plug the cable between your USB port and the K3S.

But the KUSB implies that it is a USB to serial converter, not just a 
USB cable.
If you can obtain a USB to RS-232 converter where you are it should 
work.  The chipset desired is FTDI.  Others may work, but Prolific 
chipsets are "iffy".

OTOH, if you have a KX2 or KX3, you will need a 1/8 inch stereo plug on 
the rig end.  If you have a USB to serial adapter, you can build an 
RS-232 to 1/8 inch stereo plug cable.  Download the XG3 manual from 
Elecraft, there is a schematic of the cable in that manual.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 6/3/2017 7:25 PM, Roman Brandau wrote:
> I'm on a mini DXPedition and left my KUSB at home. Can a regular USB A-B cable be used? I'm guessing no...
> 
> Roman Brandau
> WU8R
> Sent from my iPhone
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From nr4c at widomaker.com  Sat Jun  3 20:04:05 2017
From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c)
Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2017 20:04:05 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KUSB
In-Reply-To: <B615ACA7-7A5A-4672-9E5F-D6B718518052@gmail.com>
References: <B615ACA7-7A5A-4672-9E5F-D6B718518052@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6C1C535F-1629-4F17-B802-5C7FB2AC6812@widomaker.com>

What radio?


Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill


> On Jun 3, 2017, at 7:25 PM, Roman Brandau <roman.brandau at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I'm on a mini DXPedition and left my KUSB at home. Can a regular USB A-B cable be used? I'm guessing no...
> 
> Roman Brandau
> WU8R
> Sent from my iPhone
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From roman.brandau at gmail.com  Sat Jun  3 21:03:15 2017
From: roman.brandau at gmail.com (Roman Brandau)
Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2017 21:03:15 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KUSB
In-Reply-To: <86bebea7-dffc-193b-62d7-07db06c40bac@embarqmail.com>
References: <B615ACA7-7A5A-4672-9E5F-D6B718518052@gmail.com>
	<86bebea7-dffc-193b-62d7-07db06c40bac@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <4525D947-CA23-44E1-A5BC-967C00C60CF4@gmail.com>

Thanks for the quick replies. Sorry I forgot to mention I'm using a K3s. Thanks, Don. 

Roman Brandau
Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 3, 2017, at 19:45, Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Roman,
> 
> You did not say which transceiver you have, so I will try to give you the full answer.
> 
> If you have the K3S or a K3 with the updated KIO3B (with a USB input), then the answer is yes.  Plug the cable between your USB port and the K3S.
> 
> But the KUSB implies that it is a USB to serial converter, not just a USB cable.
> If you can obtain a USB to RS-232 converter where you are it should work.  The chipset desired is FTDI.  Others may work, but Prolific chipsets are "iffy".
> 
> OTOH, if you have a KX2 or KX3, you will need a 1/8 inch stereo plug on the rig end.  If you have a USB to serial adapter, you can build an RS-232 to 1/8 inch stereo plug cable.  Download the XG3 manual from Elecraft, there is a schematic of the cable in that manual.
> 
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
> 
>> On 6/3/2017 7:25 PM, Roman Brandau wrote:
>> I'm on a mini DXPedition and left my KUSB at home. Can a regular USB A-B cable be used? I'm guessing no...
>> Roman Brandau
>> WU8R
>> Sent from my iPhone
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From jmaass at k8nd.com  Sat Jun  3 22:22:45 2017
From: jmaass at k8nd.com (Jeffrey Maass)
Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2017 22:22:45 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] PR6 Preamplifier Power Plug 'P1'?
Message-ID: <00b601d2dcd9$74d5ac60$5e810520$@k8nd.com>

What is the manufacturer / type of the 'P1' plug required to provide power
to the PR6 preamplifier?

 

I cannot find any note in the manual or in previous posts to this reflector.

 

Thanks / 73,

Jeff K8ND


From john at kk9a.com  Sat Jun  3 22:43:46 2017
From: john at kk9a.com (john at kk9a.com)
Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2017 22:43:46 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft]  KUSB
Message-ID: <000301d2dcdc$63b7a020$2b26e060$@com>

Why do you normally use a KUSB with a K3S?

John KK9A

From: Roman Brandau
Sat Jun 3 21:03:15 EDT 2017

Thanks for the quick replies. Sorry I forgot to mention I'm using a K3s. 

Roman Brandau
Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 6/3/2017 7:25 PM, Roman Brandau wrote:
>> I'm on a mini DXPedition and left my KUSB at home. Can a regular USB A-B
cable be used? I'm guessing no...
>> Roman Brandau
>> WU8R
>> Sent from my iPhone


From cautery at montac.com  Sat Jun  3 23:44:53 2017
From: cautery at montac.com (Clay Autery)
Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2017 22:44:53 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] KUSB
In-Reply-To: <000301d2dcdc$63b7a020$2b26e060$@com>
References: <000301d2dcdc$63b7a020$2b26e060$@com>
Message-ID: <38458989-f96b-601c-536b-ba4903660b7e@montac.com>

Connecting a USB-only computer (laptops especially) to the radio would
be my SWAG...

______________________
Clay Autery, KY5G

On 6/3/2017 9:43 PM, john at kk9a.com wrote:
> Why do you normally use a KUSB with a K3S?
>
> John KK9A
>
> From: Roman Brandau
> Sat Jun 3 21:03:15 EDT 2017
>
> Thanks for the quick replies. Sorry I forgot to mention I'm using a K3s. 
>
> Roman Brandau
> Sent from my iPhone
>>> On 6/3/2017 7:25 PM, Roman Brandau wrote:
>>> I'm on a mini DXPedition and left my KUSB at home. Can a regular USB A-B
> cable be used? I'm guessing no...
>>> Roman Brandau
>>> WU8R
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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From kevinr at coho.net  Sun Jun  4 00:05:21 2017
From: kevinr at coho.net (kevinr at coho.net)
Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2017 21:05:21 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net 15th Anniversary
Message-ID: <f17dab5e-3fa1-cd04-ca2e-f8de4497a45d@coho.net>

Good Evening,

Even more sun and less rain, the dry season is nigh.  The few trees 
which have leaves have them.  More species of birds show up each day.  
After the winter's sparse collection of bird calls the variety of sounds 
is amazing.  But the two pairs of pileated woodpeckers are by far the 
loudest.  Benefits of being on top of the pecking order.

Propagation is still weak even with the sun sending a few storms our 
way.  This net started on June 6th, 2002 so tomorrow will be fairly 
close to 15 years.  Many thousands of QNIs later it has weathered 
changes and propagation cycles but still keeps going.  If you can hear 
me tomorrow give me a call.

Please join us tomorrow on:

    14050 kHz at 2200z Sunday (3 PM PDT Sunday)
     7045 kHz at 0000z Monday (5 PM PDT Sunday)

     73,
         Kevin. KD5ONS

-


From pubx1 at af2z.net  Sun Jun  4 07:35:00 2017
From: pubx1 at af2z.net (Drew AF2Z)
Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2017 07:35:00 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Display is Dated...
In-Reply-To: <08973F7A-D487-47D3-BEBD-93B88A539CBE@widomaker.com>
References: <1496180176945-7631264.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<995db378-9901-f7eb-4976-138bc1074ded@af2z.net>
	<08973F7A-D487-47D3-BEBD-93B88A539CBE@widomaker.com>
Message-ID: <5095b2fc-01c4-37a6-8be8-f4abf251f943@af2z.net>

Not at all. Slightly large than a K3 perhaps. And requiring several 
separated LCD panels instead of the "one big display" design.

73,
Drew
AF2Z



On 06/01/17 10:39, Nr4c wrote:
> And the front panel would be the size of a 40 inch TV.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> ...nr4c. bill
> 
> 
>> On May 31, 2017, at 10:13 PM, Drew AF2Z <pubx1 at af2z.net> wrote:
>>
>> I would like to have a front panel that is designed according to these two rules:
>>
>> 1. Use physical controls only: buttons, knobs, switches. (Not a "smudge screen".)
>>
>> 2. The state of every control should be obvious by its position, rotation, dial, or adjacent LEDs; or, the control should be located directly adjacent to a screen area where its state is displayed.
>>
>> IOW, it is annoying to operate a control on one side of the panel and having to look half way across the panel to the other side to see what the state of that control is.
>>
>> I think if those two rules were followed you'd have a really satisfying rig to operate.
>>
>> 73,
>> Drew
>> AF2Z
>>
>>
>>> On 05/30/17 17:36, ke9uw wrote:
>>> I was wondering if the K3 display could be replaced by an updated display,
>>> one that looks like the ones on the newest rigs from Japan. Could it be
>>> displayed on the monitor connected to the svga on P3? Just wondering :)
>>> -----
>>> Chuck, KE9UW
>>> --
>>> View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-Display-is-Dated-tp7631264.html
>>> Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
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From nr4c at widomaker.com  Sun Jun  4 10:07:31 2017
From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c)
Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2017 10:07:31 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] PR6 Preamplifier Power Plug 'P1'?
In-Reply-To: <00b601d2dcd9$74d5ac60$5e810520$@k8nd.com>
References: <00b601d2dcd9$74d5ac60$5e810520$@k8nd.com>
Message-ID: <F715434E-D439-4F69-90E6-96A4CE0DF334@widomaker.com>

I'd bet on coaxial power connector as used on other Elecraft gear.   A 5 X 2.1 mm. 



Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill


> On Jun 3, 2017, at 10:22 PM, Jeffrey Maass <jmaass at k8nd.com> wrote:
> 
> What is the manufacturer / type of the 'P1' plug required to provide power
> to the PR6 preamplifier?
> 
> 
> 
> I cannot find any note in the manual or in previous posts to this reflector.
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks / 73,
> 
> Jeff K8ND
> 
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From nr4c at widomaker.com  Sun Jun  4 10:28:37 2017
From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c)
Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2017 10:28:37 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] PR6 Preamplifier Power Plug 'P1'?
In-Reply-To: <00b601d2dcd9$74d5ac60$5e810520$@k8nd.com>
References: <00b601d2dcd9$74d5ac60$5e810520$@k8nd.com>
Message-ID: <2D58348D-82A8-4D72-8BAF-3103C8DE0413@widomaker.com>

Sorry. Don't have PR6. Disregard previous answer. 

This looks like a typical .1 center. Single row female header. Should find on Mouser, Digikey or eBay. Also try Amazon. 

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill


> On Jun 3, 2017, at 10:22 PM, Jeffrey Maass <jmaass at k8nd.com> wrote:
> 
> What is the manufacturer / type of the 'P1' plug required to provide power
> to the PR6 preamplifier?
> 
> 
> 
> I cannot find any note in the manual or in previous posts to this reflector.
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks / 73,
> 
> Jeff K8ND
> 
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From jim at jtmiller.com  Sun Jun  4 10:36:20 2017
From: jim at jtmiller.com (Jim Miller)
Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2017 10:36:20 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] PR6 Preamplifier Power Plug 'P1'?
In-Reply-To: <2D58348D-82A8-4D72-8BAF-3103C8DE0413@widomaker.com>
References: <00b601d2dcd9$74d5ac60$5e810520$@k8nd.com>
	<2D58348D-82A8-4D72-8BAF-3103C8DE0413@widomaker.com>
Message-ID: <CACYeN9x77_9wsbS4Vbayd5QUSShcQG-59PcSNW-wyD4sy5DxfA@mail.gmail.com>

or a hobby shop that sells remote control accessories. this is typically
used to connect to servos.

jim ab3cv

On Sun, Jun 4, 2017 at 10:28 AM, Nr4c <nr4c at widomaker.com> wrote:

> Sorry. Don't have PR6. Disregard previous answer.
>
> This looks like a typical .1 center. Single row female header. Should find
> on Mouser, Digikey or eBay. Also try Amazon.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
> ...nr4c. bill
>
>
> > On Jun 3, 2017, at 10:22 PM, Jeffrey Maass <jmaass at k8nd.com> wrote:
> >
> > What is the manufacturer / type of the 'P1' plug required to provide
> power
> > to the PR6 preamplifier?
> >
> >
> >
> > I cannot find any note in the manual or in previous posts to this
> reflector.
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks / 73,
> >
> > Jeff K8ND
> >
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From lists at subich.com  Sun Jun  4 10:37:36 2017
From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV)
Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2017 10:37:36 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] PR6 Preamplifier Power Plug 'P1'?
In-Reply-To: <F715434E-D439-4F69-90E6-96A4CE0DF334@widomaker.com>
References: <00b601d2dcd9$74d5ac60$5e810520$@k8nd.com>
	<F715434E-D439-4F69-90E6-96A4CE0DF334@widomaker.com>
Message-ID: <85948eb7-fc0f-e97e-0a55-c7c33705a019@subich.com>


P1 is a three pin 0.1" spacing PC "Header" type plug (rectangular body -
no lip).  The plug housing is 0.30" W x 0.10 T x 0.60" L.

I do not know the manufacturer/part number.

73,

    ... Joe, W4TV


On 6/4/2017 10:07 AM, Nr4c wrote:
> I'd bet on coaxial power connector as used on other Elecraft gear.   A 5 X 2.1 mm.
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> ...nr4c. bill
> 
> 
>> On Jun 3, 2017, at 10:22 PM, Jeffrey Maass <jmaass at k8nd.com> wrote:
>>
>> What is the manufacturer / type of the 'P1' plug required to provide power
>> to the PR6 preamplifier?
>>
>>
>>
>> I cannot find any note in the manual or in previous posts to this reflector.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks / 73,
>>
>> Jeff K8ND
>>
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From ve3wdm at hotmail.com  Sun Jun  4 11:23:05 2017
From: ve3wdm at hotmail.com (Mike Weir)
Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2017 15:23:05 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 display issue.
Message-ID: <BN6PR22MB056369B7219B6107F80DD33A91F50@BN6PR22MB0563.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>

Yesterday while on the radio I notice on my P3 screen a signal (so I thought) the band was basically dead other than this signal. As I tried to tune to it the signal would move. No matter how close I tried to get to the so called signal it kept the same distance from my VFO A tuning indication. I have seen this on other SDR setups but never on the P3 putting this out there for your input.

Thanks

Mike Weir

VE3WDM

From eric at elecraft.com  Sun Jun  4 11:28:22 2017
From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz WA6HHQ - Elecraft)
Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2017 08:28:22 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Display is Dated...
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> On Jun 4, 2017, at 4:35 AM, Drew AF2Z <pubx1 at af2z.net> wrote:
> 
> Not at all. Slightly large than a K3 perhaps. And requiring several separated LCD panels instead of the "one big display" design.
> 
> 73,
> Drew
> AF2Z
> 
> 
> 
>> On 06/01/17 10:39, Nr4c wrote:
>> And the front panel would be the size of a 40 inch TV.
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> ...nr4c. bill
>>> On May 31, 2017, at 10:13 PM, Drew AF2Z <pubx1 at af2z.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I would like to have a front panel that is designed according to these two rules:
>>> 
>>> 1. Use physical controls only: buttons, knobs, switches. (Not a "smudge screen".)
>>> 
>>> 2. The state of every control should be obvious by its position, rotation, dial, or adjacent LEDs; or, the control should be located directly adjacent to a screen area where its state is displayed.
>>> 
>>> IOW, it is annoying to operate a control on one side of the panel and having to look half way across the panel to the other side to see what the state of that control is.
>>> 
>>> I think if those two rules were followed you'd have a really satisfying rig to operate.
>>> 
>>> 73,
>>> Drew
>>> AF2Z
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 05/30/17 17:36, ke9uw wrote:
>>>> I was wondering if the K3 display could be replaced by an updated display,
>>>> one that looks like the ones on the newest rigs from Japan. Could it be
>>>> displayed on the monitor connected to the svga on P3? Just wondering :)
>>>> -----
>>>> Chuck, KE9UW
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From glcazzola at alice.it  Sun Jun  4 11:50:15 2017
From: glcazzola at alice.it (IK4EWX)
Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2017 08:50:15 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] R: Re: K3 Display is Dated...
Message-ID: <15c73cc9a0a.glcazzola@alice.it>

Eric, is it possible for you to add on the K3 display, with a next firmware release, the VFOa-VFOb shift?
Thanks, 73Ian IK4EWX




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> On Jun 4, 2017, at 4:35 AM, Drew AF2Z <[hidden email]> wrote:

> 

> Not at all. Slightly large than a K3 perhaps. And requiring several separated LCD panels instead of the "one big display" design.

> 

> 73,

> Drew

> AF2Z

> 

> 

> 

>> On 06/01/17 10:39, Nr4c wrote:

>> And the front panel would be the size of a 40 inch TV.

>> Sent from my iPhone

>> ...nr4c. bill

>>> On May 31, 2017, at 10:13 PM, Drew AF2Z <[hidden email]> wrote:

>>> 

>>> I would like to have a front panel that is designed according to these two rules:

>>> 

>>> 1. Use physical controls only: buttons, knobs, switches. (Not a "smudge screen".)

>>> 

>>> 2. The state of every control should be obvious by its position, rotation, dial, or adjacent LEDs; or, the control should be located directly adjacent to a screen area where its state is displayed.

>>> 

>>> IOW, it is annoying to operate a control on one side of the panel and having to look half way across the panel to the other side to see what the state of that control is.

>>> 

>>> I think if those two rules were followed you'd have a really satisfying rig to operate.

>>> 

>>> 73,

>>> Drew

>>> AF2Z

>>> 

>>> 

>>>> On 05/30/17 17:36, ke9uw wrote:

>>>> I was wondering if the K3 display could be replaced by an updated display,

>>>> one that looks like the ones on the newest rigs from Japan. Could it be

>>>> displayed on the monitor connected to the svga on P3? Just wondering :)

>>>> -----

>>>> Chuck, KE9UW

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From glcazzola at alice.it  Sun Jun  4 11:51:03 2017
From: glcazzola at alice.it (glcazzola at alice.it)
Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2017 17:51:03 +0200 (CEST)
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Eric, is it possible for you to add on the K3 display, with a next firmware release, the VFOa-VFOb shift?
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> On Jun 4, 2017, at 4:35 AM, Drew AF2Z <[hidden email]> wrote:

> 

> Not at all. Slightly large than a K3 perhaps. And requiring several separated LCD panels instead of the "one big display" design.

> 

> 73,

> Drew

> AF2Z

> 

> 

> 

>> On 06/01/17 10:39, Nr4c wrote:

>> And the front panel would be the size of a 40 inch TV.

>> Sent from my iPhone

>> ...nr4c. bill

>>> On May 31, 2017, at 10:13 PM, Drew AF2Z <[hidden email]> wrote:

>>> 

>>> I would like to have a front panel that is designed according to these two rules:

>>> 

>>> 1. Use physical controls only: buttons, knobs, switches. (Not a "smudge screen".)

>>> 

>>> 2. The state of every control should be obvious by its position, rotation, dial, or adjacent LEDs; or, the control should be located directly adjacent to a screen area where its state is displayed.

>>> 

>>> IOW, it is annoying to operate a control on one side of the panel and having to look half way across the panel to the other side to see what the state of that control is.

>>> 

>>> I think if those two rules were followed you'd have a really satisfying rig to operate.

>>> 

>>> 73,

>>> Drew

>>> AF2Z

>>> 

>>> 

>>>> On 05/30/17 17:36, ke9uw wrote:

>>>> I was wondering if the K3 display could be replaced by an updated display,

>>>> one that looks like the ones on the newest rigs from Japan. Could it be

>>>> displayed on the monitor connected to the svga on P3? Just wondering :)

>>>> -----

>>>> Chuck, KE9UW

>>>> --

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From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Sun Jun  4 12:03:06 2017
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2017 12:03:06 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] R: Re: K3 Display is Dated...
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Ian,

That is not possible without producing a new display with an icon for 
that.  The display is not a programmable element.
The VFOa/VFOb is already identified with an arrow which points to the 
transmit VFO - it is on the right of the display.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 6/4/2017 11:50 AM, IK4EWX wrote:
> Eric, is it possible for you to add on the K3 display, with a next firmware release, the VFOa-VFOb shift?
> Thanks, 73Ian IK4EWX

From kstover at ac0h.net  Sun Jun  4 12:23:50 2017
From: kstover at ac0h.net (Kevin Stover, AC0H)
Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2017 11:23:50 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 display issue.
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Check that your cables are tight.

On 6/4/2017 10:23 AM, Mike Weir wrote:
> Yesterday while on the radio I notice on my P3 screen a signal (so I thought) the band was basically dead other than this signal. As I tried to tune to it the signal would move. No matter how close I tried to get to the so called signal it kept the same distance from my VFO A tuning indication. I have seen this on other SDR setups but never on the P3 putting this out there for your input.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Mike Weir
> 
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From glcazzola at alice.it  Sun Jun  4 12:27:31 2017
From: glcazzola at alice.it (IK4EWX)
Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2017 09:27:31 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] R: Re: R: Re: K3 Display is Dated...
Message-ID: <15c73eebb4b.glcazzola@alice.it>



I have understood. So the display doesnt have "pixels" to program...Thanks Don.Ian IK4EWX


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	Ian,


That is not possible without producing a new display with an icon for 

that.  The display is not a programmable element.

The VFOa/VFOb is already identified with an arrow which points to the 

transmit VFO - it is on the right of the display.


73,

Don W3FPR


On 6/4/2017 11:50 AM, IK4EWX wrote:

> Eric, is it possible for you to add on the K3 display, with a next firmware release, the VFOa-VFOb shift?

> Thanks, 73Ian IK4EWX

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From glcazzola at alice.it  Sun Jun  4 12:29:37 2017
From: glcazzola at alice.it (glcazzola at alice.it)
Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2017 18:29:37 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Elecraft] R: Re:  R: Re: K3 Display is Dated...
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Well Don, now I have understood that a LCD screen doesnt have "pixels" to program...Thanks es 73Ian IK4EWX




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Ogg: Re: [Elecraft] R: Re: K3 Display is Dated...

Ian,

That is not possible without producing a new display with an icon for 
that.  The display is not a programmable element.
The VFOa/VFOb is already identified with an arrow which points to the 
transmit VFO - it is on the right of the display.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 6/4/2017 11:50 AM, IK4EWX wrote:
> Eric, is it possible for you to add on the K3 display, with a next firmware release, the VFOa-VFOb shift?
> Thanks, 73Ian IK4EWX




From k6dgw at foothill.net  Sun Jun  4 13:59:24 2017
From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen)
Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2017 10:59:24 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 display issue.
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It's leakage of an internal signal from the K3 [or maybe even the P3 but 
I doubt it] into your P3, most probably through the cabling.  It moves 
when you tune because it's coming from the radio. It's like some fairy 
tale or bad dream... you can chase it but you'll never ever catch it. [:-)

Could be a bad IF jumper cable, or possibly common mode on the serial 
cable(s).  A common mode choke on the serial cable at the P3 cured mine.

73,

Fred ("Skip") K6DGW
Sparks NV USA
Washoe County DM09dn

On 6/4/2017 8:23 AM, Mike Weir wrote:
> Yesterday while on the radio I notice on my P3 screen a signal (so I thought) the band was basically dead other than this signal. As I tried to tune to it the signal would move. No matter how close I tried to get to the so called signal it kept the same distance from my VFO A tuning indication. I have seen this on other SDR setups but never on the P3 putting this out there for your input.
>
> Thanks
>
> Mike Weir
>
> VE3WDM
>


From w2blc at nycap.rr.com  Sun Jun  4 14:30:25 2017
From: w2blc at nycap.rr.com (Bill)
Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2017 14:30:25 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 display issue.
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Message-ID: <89ec97f6-8818-3261-5608-fc7634873a3a@nycap.rr.com>

I experienced this problem when I first got my P3. The fix was simple: 
replace the coax patch cable between the K3and the P3. It has been fine 
ever since.

Bill W2BLC K3-line

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From nr4c at widomaker.com  Sun Jun  4 14:34:37 2017
From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c)
Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2017 14:34:37 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KUSB
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But K3S has direct USB, no need for KUSB which is a USB to Serial converter. 

Sent from my iPhone
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> On Jun 3, 2017, at 11:44 PM, Clay Autery <cautery at montac.com> wrote:
> 
> Connecting a USB-only computer (laptops especially) to the radio would
> be my SWAG...
> 
> ______________________
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> 
>> On 6/3/2017 9:43 PM, john at kk9a.com wrote:
>> Why do you normally use a KUSB with a K3S?
>> 
>> John KK9A
>> 
>> From: Roman Brandau
>> Sat Jun 3 21:03:15 EDT 2017
>> 
>> Thanks for the quick replies. Sorry I forgot to mention I'm using a K3s. 
>> 
>> Roman Brandau
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> On 6/3/2017 7:25 PM, Roman Brandau wrote:
>>>> I'm on a mini DXPedition and left my KUSB at home. Can a regular USB A-B
>> cable be used? I'm guessing no...
>>>> Roman Brandau
>>>> WU8R
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From jim at jtmiller.com  Sun Jun  4 16:55:03 2017
From: jim at jtmiller.com (Jim Miller)
Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2017 16:55:03 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3s feature request: deadman timer
Message-ID: <CACYeN9xyH1Jp3Yr-NFs9gA1V7WfL6XRyZNk_PUAZiuPkWCq17Q@mail.gmail.com>

In reviewing what I need to do to remote my K-Line a good solution to a
hung transmitter has remained elusive. The only sure way to kill the
transmitter is by pulling the plug, potentially scrambling the firmware.
Note that sending commands from an attached PC is not a solution since it
may have been the culprit in the hang in the first place. Likewise internet
access may have been disrupted making remote reset impossible.

I believe the solution is best solved by putting a deadman timer option in
the K3 firmware.

I envision this as having an adjustable period (0-99) of minutes, zero
would be the default and make the deadman timer off.

The deadman timer would be reset each Key out went inactive.

I'm not sure what the K3 should do other than cease transmitting. It may be
best to do a full orderly shutdown. That way external logic could sense via
the Aux connector Pin8 (Power On) or the RCA 12v DC out jack that the K3 is
off and take station specific action.

Thanks for your consideration

73

Jim ab3cv

From alsopb at comcast.net  Sun Jun  4 17:28:33 2017
From: alsopb at comcast.net (brian)
Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2017 21:28:33 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] K3s feature request: deadman timer
In-Reply-To: <CACYeN9xyH1Jp3Yr-NFs9gA1V7WfL6XRyZNk_PUAZiuPkWCq17Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACYeN9xyH1Jp3Yr-NFs9gA1V7WfL6XRyZNk_PUAZiuPkWCq17Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <59347B81.3080903@comcast.net>

Observation:
My K3 stops transmitting after 30 seconds of dashes already.
(Makes it tough curing an RFI issue single handed...)

So it appears to have a "stuck key" deadman of sorts.

Haven't checked whether it does that in other transmit conditions.
Obviously, it doesn't in JT65, PSK, SSTV.

73 de Brian/K3KO



On 6/4/2017 20:55 PM, Jim Miller wrote:
> In reviewing what I need to do to remote my K-Line a good solution to a
> hung transmitter has remained elusive. The only sure way to kill the
> transmitter is by pulling the plug, potentially scrambling the firmware.
> Note that sending commands from an attached PC is not a solution since it
> may have been the culprit in the hang in the first place. Likewise internet
> access may have been disrupted making remote reset impossible.
>
> I believe the solution is best solved by putting a deadman timer option in
> the K3 firmware.
>
> I envision this as having an adjustable period (0-99) of minutes, zero
> would be the default and make the deadman timer off.
>
> The deadman timer would be reset each Key out went inactive.
>
> I'm not sure what the K3 should do other than cease transmitting. It may be
> best to do a full orderly shutdown. That way external logic could sense via
> the Aux connector Pin8 (Power On) or the RCA 12v DC out jack that the K3 is
> off and take station specific action.
>
> Thanks for your consideration
>
> 73
>
> Jim ab3cv
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From marvwheeler at nwlink.com  Sun Jun  4 19:22:59 2017
From: marvwheeler at nwlink.com (Marvin Wheeler)
Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2017 16:22:59 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Noise Blanker
Message-ID: <000001d2dd89$82abf050$8803d0f0$@nwlink.com>

I have a K3S that was new in January of this year. I am very impressed with
the radio and its' receiver. Compared to previously owned Yaesu FT1000D,
75A4, KWM-2, S-Line, Drake twins, it has the best receiver by far of the
whole bunch. I do have a problem/complain in that the Noise Blanker has
absolutely no effect on noise as far as I can tell. The only way I can tell
the noise blanker is working is that if I turn the setting to high is seems
to squelch (poor description) the received signal. Noise reduction works as
I would expect. The noise blanker certainly does not work as well as some
other receivers or even the Clear Speaker by West Mountain.

 

Anyone else have this problem?



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From marvwheeler at nwlink.com  Sun Jun  4 19:35:26 2017
From: marvwheeler at nwlink.com (Marvin Wheeler)
Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2017 16:35:26 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S noise blankeer
Message-ID: <000501d2dd8b$3ece0f10$bc6a2d30$@nwlink.com>

The last sentence of my post should have said and CLRspkr by West Mountain
Radio.

 



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From k2vco.vic at gmail.com  Sun Jun  4 20:19:49 2017
From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP)
Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2017 03:19:49 +0300
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net 15th Anniversary
In-Reply-To: <f17dab5e-3fa1-cd04-ca2e-f8de4497a45d@coho.net>
References: <f17dab5e-3fa1-cd04-ca2e-f8de4497a45d@coho.net>
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From nr4c at widomaker.com  Sun Jun  4 20:57:49 2017
From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c)
Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2017 20:57:49 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] PR6 Preamplifier Power Plug 'P1'?
In-Reply-To: <CACYeN9x77_9wsbS4Vbayd5QUSShcQG-59PcSNW-wyD4sy5DxfA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <00b601d2dcd9$74d5ac60$5e810520$@k8nd.com>
	<2D58348D-82A8-4D72-8BAF-3103C8DE0413@widomaker.com>
	<CACYeN9x77_9wsbS4Vbayd5QUSShcQG-59PcSNW-wyD4sy5DxfA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <38E1DEC1-8614-4F1C-BE45-05A24B1126D8@widomaker.com>

Right!!!

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill


> On Jun 4, 2017, at 10:36 AM, Jim Miller <jim at jtmiller.com> wrote:
> 
> or a hobby shop that sells remote control accessories. this is typically used to connect to servos.
> 
> jim ab3cv
> 
>> On Sun, Jun 4, 2017 at 10:28 AM, Nr4c <nr4c at widomaker.com> wrote:
>> Sorry. Don't have PR6. Disregard previous answer.
>> 
>> This looks like a typical .1 center. Single row female header. Should find on Mouser, Digikey or eBay. Also try Amazon.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> ...nr4c. bill
>> 
>> 
>> > On Jun 3, 2017, at 10:22 PM, Jeffrey Maass <jmaass at k8nd.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > What is the manufacturer / type of the 'P1' plug required to provide power
>> > to the PR6 preamplifier?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > I cannot find any note in the manual or in previous posts to this reflector.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Thanks / 73,
>> >
>> > Jeff K8ND
>> >
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From cautery at montac.com  Sun Jun  4 21:39:39 2017
From: cautery at montac.com (Clay Autery)
Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2017 20:39:39 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Noise Blanker
In-Reply-To: <000001d2dd89$82abf050$8803d0f0$@nwlink.com>
References: <000001d2dd89$82abf050$8803d0f0$@nwlink.com>
Message-ID: <d1d1e736-f528-5e82-7111-3e9dd271e91c@montac.com>

Mine works great....  at least after I learned to configure/use it
properly....  granted, I am new to Elecraft, but very few of the
advanced tools are trivial to learn/use.
But it all works, and works well.

______________________
Clay Autery, KY5G

On 6/4/2017 6:22 PM, Marvin Wheeler wrote:
> I have a K3S that was new in January of this year. I am very impressed with
> the radio and its' receiver. Compared to previously owned Yaesu FT1000D,
> 75A4, KWM-2, S-Line, Drake twins, it has the best receiver by far of the
> whole bunch. I do have a problem/complain in that the Noise Blanker has
> absolutely no effect on noise as far as I can tell. The only way I can tell
> the noise blanker is working is that if I turn the setting to high is seems
> to squelch (poor description) the received signal. Noise reduction works as
> I would expect. The noise blanker certainly does not work as well as some
> other receivers or even the Clear Speaker by West Mountain.
>
>  
>
> Anyone else have this problem?


From k6dgw at foothill.net  Sun Jun  4 22:01:36 2017
From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen)
Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2017 19:01:36 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Noise Blanker
In-Reply-To: <000001d2dd89$82abf050$8803d0f0$@nwlink.com>
References: <000001d2dd89$82abf050$8803d0f0$@nwlink.com>
Message-ID: <fcab8aad-b926-4fbe-4ce1-2bf355b4c784@foothill.net>

Every summer, Reno Nevada hosts an event called "Hot August Nights," in 
August but you probably figured that out.  I have no idea how many 
classic vehicles it attracts, the number is huge, and affectionados will 
make their hotel reservations for next year before they leave this year. 
They can be found cruising around the entire area.  They are truly 
beautiful if you like old, perfectly kept cars.  They also make ignition 
noise. The NB on my K3 does a classic job of removing it.  Sorry for the 
pun, but the impulse noise just goes away.

Today's vehicles don't make ignition noise, and it's rare that I find 
impulse noise on the radio.  I do find some power line hash, and a lot 
of SMPS noise drifting by.  The NB might lower that non-impulse noise an 
S-unit on the meter, it really doesn't make much difference in signal 
intelligibility.

This subject comes up regularly here. The NB on my Drake 2B was 
fantastic on impulse noise.  So was the S-Line, and the 51J4 I had for 
quite awhile. They didlittle to power line noise however, and SMPS 
hadn't been invented then.

Some noise is best eliminated at audio, I'm not surprised that your 
CLRspeaker works at times. Sometimes, just laying the headphones on the 
desk and turning up the AF gain will work wonders.  So far as I've been 
able to discern with K3 S/n 642, the NB works as well as any NB I've 
used in the past.

73,

Fred ("Skip") K6DGW
Sparks NV USA
Washoe County DM09dn

On 6/4/2017 4:22 PM, Marvin Wheeler wrote:
> I have a K3S that was new in January of this year. I am very impressed with
> the radio and its' receiver. Compared to previously owned Yaesu FT1000D,
> 75A4, KWM-2, S-Line, Drake twins, it has the best receiver by far of the
> whole bunch. I do have a problem/complain in that the Noise Blanker has
> absolutely no effect on noise as far as I can tell. The only way I can tell
> the noise blanker is working is that if I turn the setting to high is seems
> to squelch (poor description) the received signal. Noise reduction works as
> I would expect. The noise blanker certainly does not work as well as some
> other receivers or even the Clear Speaker by West Mountain.
>
> Anyone else have this problem?
>


From k2av.guy at gmail.com  Sun Jun  4 22:49:35 2017
From: k2av.guy at gmail.com (Guy Olinger K2AV)
Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2017 22:49:35 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Noise Blanker
In-Reply-To: <000001d2dd89$82abf050$8803d0f0$@nwlink.com>
References: <000001d2dd89$82abf050$8803d0f0$@nwlink.com>
Message-ID: <CANckpc31R+w_HFMN=o0DFsvdxdYX3zTbKq2nQ96LvX_L3uPMbA@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Jun 4, 2017 at 7:22 PM, Marvin Wheeler <marvwheeler at nwlink.com> wrote:
> The only way I can tell
> the noise blanker is working is that if I turn the setting to high

Hmmm,

The noise blanker has two separate components, the first is a smart
control of traditional IF noise blanking which has 7 variations of smart based
upon narrow, medium and wide blanking width for a total of 21
varieties.

The second is completely DSP using light, medium and heavy
blanking based on seven different algorithms for a total of 21 DSP
settings.

The two kinds can be used separately or together. Do the combination
math and this is a total of 483 unique settings possible with NB.

K3 and K3S NB is not even remotely described by "turn the setting to high".

Are we talking about the same radio? K3 and K3S NB? If we ARE talking
about K3/K3S, then the A and B knobs setting NB "Level" are really not
a low-high knob like a volume control and explains why you aren't
getting what you want. Wide blanking is not always best. Nor is heavy
DSP blanking always best. With those two knobs you are matching the
blanking METHOD to the noise problem.

For MY PARTICULAR noise blend around here, which absolutely,
certainly, will NOT work for everyone, is DSP T1-7 and IF NAR4.
That's my favorite single pick out of the 483 possibilities for my
noise, and it took me a while to figure it out. But it was worth it.

In winter when I get my usual noises on 160m, that combo will work
decently everywhere on a band-wide S9 noise, good for S&P in contests.
But at various spots in the band will drop the noise as low as S3. The
band-wide result of NB has 5-10 kHz wide nulls where the NB blend hits
it hard and produces those S3 spots, and I do my contest runs in those
nulls. There is more than one source of line noise and the phase and
amplitude relationship between the two varies with frequency, hence
the nulls.

Certain radio settings will also take out key clicks (complex
discussion), which is a real blessing in a CW contest.

With the Sub RX, the NB settings are per receiver, very cool for
diversity and I can set them different ways if that works.

Some folks do have a tougher learning curve than others on the
Elecraft NB, but it's worth it.

73, Guy K2AV

From djholton at bigpond.net.au  Mon Jun  5 00:43:04 2017
From: djholton at bigpond.net.au (David Holton)
Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2017 14:43:04 +1000
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S + P3 + SPE Amp
Message-ID: <000a01d2ddb6$38d38ba0$aa7aa2e0$@net.au>

Gentlemen,

 

My first post to the list , although an avid reader.

Has anyone here done the connection of a K3S plus a P3 Panadaptor with the
P3SVGA and Monitor functions , to a SPE 2K Amp?

Is there special cabling?

What Config Menu settings are used?

 

The cable supplied with the Amp is a DB15M (amp end) to a DE9M (K3S end). I
am using this in conjunction with the Elecraft  Cable E980297 which is an
RJ45 to DE9 Female. Config menu is set to RS232 at 9600 Baud , this works
fine and the amp follows the K3S.  However I lose the Frequency readout on
the P3 by having to disconnect the CBLY3Y Y cable at the RJ45 connector on
the back of the K3S. If I connect the DE9m of the supplied Amp cable to the
DE9 of the "Y" cable , when plugged into the K3S , amp will not Band change
from K3S.

 

Is there another method of cabling so as One does not lose control of the
P3?

 

Thanks & Regards

David

VK4DH

 

 


From k1ep.list at gmail.com  Mon Jun  5 07:52:07 2017
From: k1ep.list at gmail.com (Ed K1EP)
Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2017 07:52:07 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] PR6 Preamplifier Power Plug 'P1'?
In-Reply-To: <CAKR4uUMO31DqsMGoEuQ6TVFZrSOG=B=f4F6vrNs8RUFn_FdGJg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <00b601d2dcd9$74d5ac60$5e810520$@k8nd.com>
	<CAKR4uUPs25Tmi43ebiQ0HDTq5VBxxXLKze13TUh5mMP=4GdiKA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAKR4uUN_9kWPwvmwkk4nwViOvBLpqEpaRSEGtsm8gAd8FEM1bw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAKR4uUMO31DqsMGoEuQ6TVFZrSOG=B=f4F6vrNs8RUFn_FdGJg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKR4uUM3Zp0aDEa-a93kOSS6rcYRC=bovc--bJn+3O4yKbuDHw@mail.gmail.com>

Go find an old junk computer, open it up and cut out one of the many three
pin motherboard header cables. Now you have a cable and connector!

On Jun 3, 2017 10:24 PM, "Jeffrey Maass" <jmaass at k8nd.com> wrote:

What is the manufacturer / type of the 'P1' plug required to provide power
to the PR6 preamplifier?



I cannot find any note in the manual or in previous posts to this reflector.



Thanks / 73,

Jeff K8ND

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From m.matthew.george at gmail.com  Mon Jun  5 08:27:29 2017
From: m.matthew.george at gmail.com (M. George)
Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2017 06:27:29 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S + P3 + SPE Amp
In-Reply-To: <000a01d2ddb6$38d38ba0$aa7aa2e0$@net.au>
References: <000a01d2ddb6$38d38ba0$aa7aa2e0$@net.au>
Message-ID: <CAFYRpHtzadjSqgx0UHPu0LjsCjjdiuu8Fd2E-MLGitfMMK-4fg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi David, I have a 2K-FA interfaced with a K3s.  I don't have a P3 in the
mix, but I made a YouTube video back in March that describes in detail
(maybe too much detail!) how I use Win4K3Suite and com0com to share the CAT
interface on the K3s.  My solution leaves the RJ45/RS232 out of the mix
with the 2K-FA integration so that I believe you could still use the
special P3 cable along with the output of the RJ45/RS232 to allow your P3
to follow your K3s.

You could also accomplish what I'm doing in the video with LP-Bridge to
share the CAT IO on the K3s, however I prefer Win4K3Suite with the com0com
virtual serial port pairs.  I get into the details in the video.

Anyway, here is a link to the video
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ku8Gyl0amRY&t=485s>: (
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ku8Gyl0amRY&t=485s)  In general this video
will give you some ideas on sharing the CAT interface with several software
applications and hardware (the 2K-FA in this case).  Plus I go into detail
on the interface cable and wire up the 2K-FA to use transmit inhibit and
external ALC with the amp. (both easily turned off in the K3/S if you so
desire on the fly).  You won't use the external ALC in this case to control
the output level on the 2K-FA... again, I discuss this in the video.
EXTALC in this case is only a safety measure to let the amp back off the
drive of the K3s.

I hope you find the video helpful... Max NG7M

On Sun, Jun 4, 2017 at 10:43 PM, David Holton <djholton at bigpond.net.au>
wrote:

> Gentlemen,
>
>
>
> My first post to the list , although an avid reader.
>
> Has anyone here done the connection of a K3S plus a P3 Panadaptor with the
> P3SVGA and Monitor functions , to a SPE 2K Amp?
>
> Is there special cabling?
>
> What Config Menu settings are used?
>
>
>
> The cable supplied with the Amp is a DB15M (amp end) to a DE9M (K3S end). I
> am using this in conjunction with the Elecraft  Cable E980297 which is an
> RJ45 to DE9 Female. Config menu is set to RS232 at 9600 Baud , this works
> fine and the amp follows the K3S.  However I lose the Frequency readout on
> the P3 by having to disconnect the CBLY3Y Y cable at the RJ45 connector on
> the back of the K3S. If I connect the DE9m of the supplied Amp cable to the
> DE9 of the "Y" cable , when plugged into the K3S , amp will not Band change
> from K3S.
>
>
>
> Is there another method of cabling so as One does not lose control of the
> P3?
>
>
>
> Thanks & Regards
>
> David
>
> VK4DH
>
>
>
>
>
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From jh at hoffmaninv.com  Mon Jun  5 09:15:57 2017
From: jh at hoffmaninv.com (Joe Hoffman)
Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2017 13:15:57 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 For sale
Message-ID: <ba0682b98673407a827ff91d2f6075b9@S1P5MBX3E.EXCHPROD.USA.NET>

UPDATE:  My K3 will likely be done this week so if you would like to get it fresh from the factory make an offer.  Info below:

My beloved K3 is on it's way to the mother ship in Watsonville to migrate a few things to my new K3S.  Once that is done I would like to sell it and perhaps even have it shipped to a new home directly from Elecraft if payment is made prior to it leaving Watsonville.

Here is what I have for sale then:

K3 S/N 1713 with the 100W module, the KAT3 ATU and the KXV3 transverter module.

If you are not familiar with the migration process note that any needed repairs (which I do not expect) to bring the K3 up to factory specs would be charged to me.  Shipping from Elecraft will also be charged to me.

My K3 is in excellent operational and cosmetic condition with nary a scratch on it.

I would like $1750 for it shipped to your door.

73,

Joe, W8JH



From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Mon Jun  5 09:21:03 2017
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2017 09:21:03 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S + P3 + SPE Amp
In-Reply-To: <000a01d2ddb6$38d38ba0$aa7aa2e0$@net.au>
References: <000a01d2ddb6$38d38ba0$aa7aa2e0$@net.au>
Message-ID: <7ee73080-ec1c-2282-1268-6c9d433578d6@embarqmail.com>

David,

If you are using the E980297 RJ-45 to DB9M cable, you would connect that 
cable to the XCVR port on the P3.  Then plug the "Y" cable (not the 
Elecraft CBLP3Y) into the PC connector on the P3.  One end of the "Y" 
cable goes to the PC and the other end goes to your Amp cable.  See the 
figure on page 5 of the P3 manual.

OTOH, if you are connecting the PC to the K3S through the USB port, 
refer to the figure on page 6 of the P3 manual.  In this case, you would 
use the CBLP3Y cable instead of E980297.  Your "Y" cable connects on the 
PC connector of the P3 - one end of the "Y" connects to the end of the 
CBLP3Y that would normally go to the PC connector and the other leg of 
the "Y" connects to your amp cable.  If you are using this 
configuration, set the RS-232 menu to USB.

73,
Don W3FPR


On 6/5/2017 12:43 AM, David Holton wrote:
> Gentlemen,
> 
>   
> 
> My first post to the list , although an avid reader.
> 
> Has anyone here done the connection of a K3S plus a P3 Panadaptor with the
> P3SVGA and Monitor functions , to a SPE 2K Amp?
> 
> Is there special cabling?
> 
> What Config Menu settings are used?
> 
>   
> 
> The cable supplied with the Amp is a DB15M (amp end) to a DE9M (K3S end). I
> am using this in conjunction with the Elecraft  Cable E980297 which is an
> RJ45 to DE9 Female. Config menu is set to RS232 at 9600 Baud , this works
> fine and the amp follows the K3S.  However I lose the Frequency readout on
> the P3 by having to disconnect the CBLY3Y Y cable at the RJ45 connector on
> the back of the K3S. If I connect the DE9m of the supplied Amp cable to the
> DE9 of the "Y" cable , when plugged into the K3S , amp will not Band change
> from K3S.

From Mundschenk55 at msn.com  Mon Jun  5 09:31:22 2017
From: Mundschenk55 at msn.com (Russ)
Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2017 13:31:22 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Noise Blanker
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Marvin:

I just love my K3, but I also have been unable to find a setting for the noise blanker that works as well as the one in my Kenwood TS-480. The noise blanker does have some effect on impulse noise or AC hash in some settings, but also then introduces audible distortion.

This is in no way a negative post - just looking for guidance.

Russ KD4JO

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Sunday, June 4, 2017 7:23 PM
To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Noise Blanker

I have a K3S that was new in January of this year. I am very impressed with the radio and its' receiver. Compared to previously owned Yaesu FT1000D, 75A4, KWM-2, S-Line, Drake twins, it has the best receiver by far of the whole bunch. I do have a problem/complain in that the Noise Blanker has absolutely no effect on noise as far as I can tell. The only way I can tell the noise blanker is working is that if I turn the setting to high is seems to squelch (poor description) the received signal. Noise reduction works as I would expect. The noise blanker certainly does not work as well as some other receivers or even the Clear Speaker by West Mountain.

 

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From dlrguess at gmail.com  Mon Jun  5 12:07:11 2017
From: dlrguess at gmail.com (Jerry Wright)
Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2017 09:07:11 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: [KX3] Summer/Field Day KX3/KX2 Project
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> Date: June 5, 2017 at 8:35:02 AM PDT
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> Subject: [KX3] Summer/Field Day KX3/KX2 Project
> Reply-To: Anthony Luscre <k8zt at arrl.net>
> 
> Summer is a great time to operate your Elecraft radio from the field and a sale on the "parts" for this "Go-Box" project come together just in time for Field Day.
> 
> The project can be found on my website (www.k8zt.com/go-kits) click on the green button "KX3/KX2 Go-Box Project for a description and instructions. Click on the blue button for a drilling template.
> 
> Walmart currently has the tackle box on sale for $18.41. You can also find it available from most of your favorite sporting good suppliers for a variety of prices.
> 
> While you are on my website make sure you visit the Elecraft page (www.k8zt.com/elecraft) for a wide variety of links you might find useful. 
> 
> If you have any site or your own go-kit projects you would like to suggest for inclusion on any of my web pages pleae email me.
> 
> Thanks
> Anthony
> 
> P.S. Listen for my Go-Box KX3 from Deleware on Field Day, which may be a new state for many newer hams.
> 
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From n7tb at comcast.net  Mon Jun  5 14:52:44 2017
From: n7tb at comcast.net (Terry Brown)
Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2017 18:52:44 -0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Random Wire Lengths Question
Message-ID: <001f01d2de2c$eb6e7e20$c24b7a60$@comcast.net>

I have a K2, KX3 and a KX2.  I have used a 58 Ft. wire with a 25 t.
counterpoise to the bnc binding posts with my KX3 and I believe I was able
to tune it on 80-10.  I recently purchased a KX2, and for some reason, I
could not get the 58 Ft. length of wire to tune on 80 with the counterpoise.
I know that the wire length is one of the preferred lengths that should work
on all bands.  

 

1.        Is this a function of the particular day and ground I may have
been on that the 58 Ft. wire did not tune on 80, or do I need to go to an 84
Ft. length with 33 ft. counterpoise?  How about more radials with the 58 Ft.
wire?  I haven't been able to test with multiple counterpoises and the KX2,
but hope to in a few days.

2.       I have read in the KX2 manual that a 25 Ft. wire and counterpoise
will tune 40 and perform well. (understanding the limitations of random
wires compared to doublets).  Would the 58 ft. wire and 25 ft. counterpoise
perform appreciably better on 40-10 meters than the 25 ft. one?  I do
operating from my RV on occasion, and it is really hard to get a long wire
up using my 30 ft. Jackkite pole with the limited space of most RV sites.

 

Thanks for the help.  BTW,  I was able to meet Eric Swartz at SEAPAC this
past weekend.  I know he meets a lot of people, but it meant a lot to me to
meet one of the people who created the Elecraft gear that renewed my love
for Amateur Radio after an 8 year absence when I went to CW only and was
able to use small rigs with little power requirements.  It is astounding how
great the Receiver's work in the KX3 and KX2.  These rigs added a whole new
dimension to Amateur Radio for me.  

 

Terry de N7TB


From n6kr at elecraft.com  Mon Jun  5 14:54:09 2017
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2017 11:54:09 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] 6 meters is open
Message-ID: <923E03C9-5738-4BDB-A9EF-F5D484303767@elecraft.com>

Just made a couple of 1000-watt QSOs around 50.125 (SSB and CW). Not exactly exotic DX, but not bad for 8 watts and a dipole at 25 feet.

If you haven?t tried 6 meters before, now would be a good time :)   See dxmaps.com for updated propagation info. You can set up an account to generate alerts via email.

73,
Wayne
N6KR



From k9yeq at live.com  Mon Jun  5 14:58:12 2017
From: k9yeq at live.com (Bill Johnson)
Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2017 18:58:12 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] 6 meters is open
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Wayne, thanks for heads up.  Nothing open here in Fish Creek, WI.  Am monitoring 50.125.

72 & 73,
Bill
K9YEQ, FT?er for K2, KX1, KX3, KXPA100,  KAT500, W2, etc. 

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Monday, June 5, 2017 1:54 PM
To: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: [Elecraft] 6 meters is open

Just made a couple of 1000-watt QSOs around 50.125 (SSB and CW). Not exactly exotic DX, but not bad for 8 watts and a dipole at 25 feet.

If you haven?t tried 6 meters before, now would be a good time :)   See dxmaps.com for updated propagation info. You can set up an account to generate alerts via email.

73,
Wayne
N6KR


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From gkidder at ilstu.edu  Mon Jun  5 15:13:42 2017
From: gkidder at ilstu.edu (GWK)
Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2017 15:13:42 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] 6 meters is open
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Band dead in Maine.

73 - George, W3HBM


On 6/5/2017 2:58 PM, Bill Johnson wrote:
> Wayne, thanks for heads up.  Nothing open here in Fish Creek, WI.  Am monitoring 50.125.
>
> 72 & 73,
> Bill
> K9YEQ, FT?er for K2, KX1, KX3, KXPA100,  KAT500, W2, etc.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Wayne Burdick
> Sent: Monday, June 5, 2017 1:54 PM
> To: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: [Elecraft] 6 meters is open
>
> Just made a couple of 1000-watt QSOs around 50.125 (SSB and CW). Not exactly exotic DX, but not bad for 8 watts and a dipole at 25 feet.
>
> If you haven?t tried 6 meters before, now would be a good time :)   See dxmaps.com for updated propagation info. You can set up an account to generate alerts via email.
>
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR
>
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From tomb18 at videotron.ca  Mon Jun  5 15:19:15 2017
From: tomb18 at videotron.ca (Tom)
Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2017 15:19:15 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] 6 meters is open
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	<HxEUdnGjFb0CVHxEVdiTeW@videotron.ca>
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Hi,
Nothing up here in Montreal...but I've never been on 6m.  Is this USB?  FM?
Tom

-----Original Message----- 
From: Bill Johnson
Sent: Monday, June 5, 2017 2:58 PM
To: Wayne Burdick ; Elecraft Reflector
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] 6 meters is open

Wayne, thanks for heads up.  Nothing open here in Fish Creek, WI.  Am 
monitoring 50.125.

72 & 73,
Bill
K9YEQ, FT?er for K2, KX1, KX3, KXPA100,  KAT500, W2, etc.

-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net 
[mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Wayne Burdick
Sent: Monday, June 5, 2017 1:54 PM
To: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: [Elecraft] 6 meters is open

Just made a couple of 1000-watt QSOs around 50.125 (SSB and CW). Not exactly 
exotic DX, but not bad for 8 watts and a dipole at 25 feet.

If you haven?t tried 6 meters before, now would be a good time :)   See 
dxmaps.com for updated propagation info. You can set up an account to 
generate alerts via email.

73,
Wayne
N6KR


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From mzilmer at roadrunner.com  Mon Jun  5 15:19:32 2017
From: mzilmer at roadrunner.com (Matt Zilmer)
Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2017 12:19:32 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] 6 meters is open
In-Reply-To: <923E03C9-5738-4BDB-A9EF-F5D484303767@elecraft.com>
References: <923E03C9-5738-4BDB-A9EF-F5D484303767@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <5aa4c01f-cda2-5ed7-9092-8e269a8af516@roadrunner.com>

6m at 50.125 is dead here -DM14-, but that could easily change any 
minute.  Monitoring now.

73,

matt W6NIa


On 6/5/2017 11:54 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
> Just made a couple of 1000-watt QSOs around 50.125 (SSB and CW). Not exactly exotic DX, but not bad for 8 watts and a dipole at 25 feet.
>
> If you haven?t tried 6 meters before, now would be a good time :)   See dxmaps.com for updated propagation info. You can set up an account to generate alerts via email.
>
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR
>
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From k9yeq at live.com  Mon Jun  5 15:20:41 2017
From: k9yeq at live.com (Bill Johnson)
Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2017 19:20:41 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] 6 meters is open
In-Reply-To: <9B14D2A4E2D540DFBFD9E7E937948252@DESKTOPAV61F2H>
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	<HxEUdnGjFb0CVHxEVdiTeW@videotron.ca>
	<9B14D2A4E2D540DFBFD9E7E937948252@DESKTOPAV61F2H>
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SSB!

73,
Bill
K9YEQ

-----Original Message-----
From: Tom [mailto:tomb18 at videotron.ca] 
Sent: Monday, June 5, 2017 2:19 PM
To: Bill Johnson <k9yeq at live.com>; Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com>; Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] 6 meters is open

Hi,
Nothing up here in Montreal...but I've never been on 6m.  Is this USB?  FM?
Tom

-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Johnson
Sent: Monday, June 5, 2017 2:58 PM
To: Wayne Burdick ; Elecraft Reflector
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] 6 meters is open

Wayne, thanks for heads up.  Nothing open here in Fish Creek, WI.  Am monitoring 50.125.

72 & 73,
Bill
K9YEQ, FT?er for K2, KX1, KX3, KXPA100,  KAT500, W2, etc.

-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net
[mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Wayne Burdick
Sent: Monday, June 5, 2017 1:54 PM
To: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: [Elecraft] 6 meters is open

Just made a couple of 1000-watt QSOs around 50.125 (SSB and CW). Not exactly exotic DX, but not bad for 8 watts and a dipole at 25 feet.

If you haven?t tried 6 meters before, now would be a good time :)   See 
dxmaps.com for updated propagation info. You can set up an account to generate alerts via email.

73,
Wayne
N6KR


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From tomb18 at videotron.ca  Mon Jun  5 15:26:44 2017
From: tomb18 at videotron.ca (Tom)
Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2017 15:26:44 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] 6 meters is open
In-Reply-To: <HxbcdBVjuSJWcHxbddOeIN@videotron.ca>
References: <923E03C9-5738-4BDB-A9EF-F5D484303767@elecraft.com>
	<HxbcdBVjuSJWcHxbddOeIN@videotron.ca>
Message-ID: <2121E0628D254AF7A8A10A571B1DDB72@DESKTOPAV61F2H>

Seems to be a lot of JT65 though

-----Original Message----- 
From: Matt Zilmer
Sent: Monday, June 5, 2017 3:19 PM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] 6 meters is open

6m at 50.125 is dead here -DM14-, but that could easily change any
minute.  Monitoring now.

73,

matt W6NIa


On 6/5/2017 11:54 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
> Just made a couple of 1000-watt QSOs around 50.125 (SSB and CW). Not 
> exactly exotic DX, but not bad for 8 watts and a dipole at 25 feet.
>
> If you haven?t tried 6 meters before, now would be a good time :)   See 
> dxmaps.com for updated propagation info. You can set up an account to 
> generate alerts via email.
>
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR
>
>
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From k9yeq at live.com  Mon Jun  5 15:29:46 2017
From: k9yeq at live.com (Bill Johnson)
Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2017 19:29:46 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] 6 meters is open
In-Reply-To: <2121E0628D254AF7A8A10A571B1DDB72@DESKTOPAV61F2H>
References: <923E03C9-5738-4BDB-A9EF-F5D484303767@elecraft.com>
	<HxbcdBVjuSJWcHxbddOeIN@videotron.ca>
	<2121E0628D254AF7A8A10A571B1DDB72@DESKTOPAV61F2H>
Message-ID: <RO1P152MB09072D51708E55F0FADA24BB9CCA0@RO1P152MB0907.LAMP152.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

Using P3 at 100 span to monitor.  NADA.  Will have to head out for a bit but will check in later.

73,
Bill
K9YEQ

-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Tom
Sent: Monday, June 5, 2017 2:27 PM
To: Matt Zilmer <mzilmer at roadrunner.com>; elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] 6 meters is open

Seems to be a lot of JT65 though

-----Original Message-----
From: Matt Zilmer
Sent: Monday, June 5, 2017 3:19 PM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] 6 meters is open

6m at 50.125 is dead here -DM14-, but that could easily change any minute.  Monitoring now.

73,

matt W6NIa


On 6/5/2017 11:54 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
> Just made a couple of 1000-watt QSOs around 50.125 (SSB and CW). Not 
> exactly exotic DX, but not bad for 8 watts and a dipole at 25 feet.
>
> If you haven?t tried 6 meters before, now would be a good time :)   See 
> dxmaps.com for updated propagation info. You can set up an account to 
> generate alerts via email.
>
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR
>
>
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From z_kevino at hotmail.com  Mon Jun  5 15:33:22 2017
From: z_kevino at hotmail.com (kevino z)
Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2017 19:33:22 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] 6 meters is open
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References: <923E03C9-5738-4BDB-A9EF-F5D484303767@elecraft.com>
	<RO1P152MB09073C417FD5C128C9DDF2519CCA0@RO1P152MB0907.LAMP152.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>,
	<e2049b6c-33ea-d048-19e8-5484a49e8345@ilstu.edu>
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Which was it ? 1000 watts ? Or 8 w?

-----
The problem with the world is that the intelligent people are full of doubts, while the stupid ones are full of confidence.

On Jun 5, 2017, at 15:17, GWK <gkidder at ilstu.edu<mailto:gkidder at ilstu.edu>> wrote:

Band dead in Maine.

73 - George, W3HBM


On 6/5/2017 2:58 PM, Bill Johnson wrote:
Wayne, thanks for heads up.  Nothing open here in Fish Creek, WI.  Am monitoring 50.125.

72 & 73,
Bill
K9YEQ, FT?er for K2, KX1, KX3, KXPA100,  KAT500, W2, etc.

-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net<mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Wayne Burdick
Sent: Monday, June 5, 2017 1:54 PM
To: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net<mailto:elecraft at mailman.qth.net>>
Subject: [Elecraft] 6 meters is open

Just made a couple of 1000-watt QSOs around 50.125 (SSB and CW). Not exactly exotic DX, but not bad for 8 watts and a dipole at 25 feet.

If you haven?t tried 6 meters before, now would be a good time :)   See dxmaps.com<http://dxmaps.com> for updated propagation info. You can set up an account to generate alerts via email.

73,
Wayne
N6KR


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From jstengrevics at comcast.net  Mon Jun  5 15:39:38 2017
From: jstengrevics at comcast.net (John Stengrevics)
Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2017 15:39:38 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] 6 meters is open
In-Reply-To: <BN6PR15MB1425ADB0734E304D7DB3C2D6FACA0@BN6PR15MB1425.namprd15.prod.outlook.com>
References: <923E03C9-5738-4BDB-A9EF-F5D484303767@elecraft.com>
	<RO1P152MB09073C417FD5C128C9DDF2519CCA0@RO1P152MB0907.LAMP152.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
	<e2049b6c-33ea-d048-19e8-5484a49e8345@ilstu.edu>
	<BN6PR15MB1425ADB0734E304D7DB3C2D6FACA0@BN6PR15MB1425.namprd15.prod.outlook.com>
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Have a look at DX Maps.

> On Jun 5, 2017, at 3:33 PM, kevino z <z_kevino at hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Which was it ? 1000 watts ? Or 8 w?
> 
> -----
> The problem with the world is that the intelligent people are full of doubts, while the stupid ones are full of confidence.
> 
> On Jun 5, 2017, at 15:17, GWK <gkidder at ilstu.edu<mailto:gkidder at ilstu.edu>> wrote:
> 
> Band dead in Maine.
> 
> 73 - George, W3HBM
> 
> 
> On 6/5/2017 2:58 PM, Bill Johnson wrote:
> Wayne, thanks for heads up.  Nothing open here in Fish Creek, WI.  Am monitoring 50.125.
> 
> 72 & 73,
> Bill
> K9YEQ, FT?er for K2, KX1, KX3, KXPA100,  KAT500, W2, etc.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net<mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Wayne Burdick
> Sent: Monday, June 5, 2017 1:54 PM
> To: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net<mailto:elecraft at mailman.qth.net>>
> Subject: [Elecraft] 6 meters is open
> 
> Just made a couple of 1000-watt QSOs around 50.125 (SSB and CW). Not exactly exotic DX, but not bad for 8 watts and a dipole at 25 feet.
> 
> If you haven?t tried 6 meters before, now would be a good time :)   See dxmaps.com<http://dxmaps.com> for updated propagation info. You can set up an account to generate alerts via email.
> 
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR
> 
> 
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From n6kr at elecraft.com  Mon Jun  5 15:41:42 2017
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2017 12:41:42 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] 6 meters is open
In-Reply-To: <9B14D2A4E2D540DFBFD9E7E937948252@DESKTOPAV61F2H>
References: <923E03C9-5738-4BDB-A9EF-F5D484303767@elecraft.com>
	<HxEUdnGjFb0CVHxEVdiTeW@videotron.ca>
	<9B14D2A4E2D540DFBFD9E7E937948252@DESKTOPAV61F2H>
Message-ID: <F180E881-618D-44F6-8785-42E9D0FBDCB7@elecraft.com>

Hi Tom,

USB, typically at 50.125-50.135, or CW around 50.090-50.100. 

This time of year there are frequent openings due to various propagation modes. I just park the radio at 50.125, squelched. Occasionally you'll hear someone pop up. 

Wayne 



> On Jun 5, 2017, at 12:19 PM, Tom <tomb18 at videotron.ca> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> Nothing up here in Montreal...but I've never been on 6m.  Is this USB?  FM?
> Tom



From lboekeloo at sbcglobal.net  Mon Jun  5 15:39:25 2017
From: lboekeloo at sbcglobal.net (Larry Boekeloo)
Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2017 19:39:25 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Rtty
References: <1375253911.3072606.1496691565271.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1375253911.3072606.1496691565271@mail.yahoo.com>

I've been running my K3 and my RIg Expert TI-5 for several years with no issues.? Ever since I upgraded to the latest K3 software, the display now reads PTT ERR after unkeying in RTTY mode.
Any ideas?
Larry, KN8N


From ruler55 at gmail.com  Mon Jun  5 15:51:17 2017
From: ruler55 at gmail.com (Robie Elms)
Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2017 19:51:17 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] 6 meters is open
In-Reply-To: <F180E881-618D-44F6-8785-42E9D0FBDCB7@elecraft.com>
References: <923E03C9-5738-4BDB-A9EF-F5D484303767@elecraft.com>
	<HxEUdnGjFb0CVHxEVdiTeW@videotron.ca>
	<9B14D2A4E2D540DFBFD9E7E937948252@DESKTOPAV61F2H>
	<F180E881-618D-44F6-8785-42E9D0FBDCB7@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <CAAfqLSAQ43=fwO=PEWw-g12DAoSGJvp-CSDv6-Q7gEhuv0n96w@mail.gmail.com>

Additional info:

50.276 JT65  - lots of signals here (grid EL29) this afternoon!

Robie - AJ4F

K3 SN5508

On Mon, Jun 5, 2017 at 7:41 PM, Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com> wrote:

> Hi Tom,
>
> USB, typically at 50.125-50.135, or CW around 50.090-50.100.
>
> This time of year there are frequent openings due to various propagation
> modes. I just park the radio at 50.125, squelched. Occasionally you'll hear
> someone pop up.
>
> Wayne
>
>
>
> > On Jun 5, 2017, at 12:19 PM, Tom <tomb18 at videotron.ca> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> > Nothing up here in Montreal...but I've never been on 6m.  Is this USB?
> FM?
> > Tom
>
>
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From tomb18 at videotron.ca  Mon Jun  5 16:08:10 2017
From: tomb18 at videotron.ca (Tom)
Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2017 16:08:10 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] 6 meters is open
In-Reply-To: <Hy0AdLkJBImXYHy22dX8UM@videotron.ca>
References: <923E03C9-5738-4BDB-A9EF-F5D484303767@elecraft.com>
	<HxEUdnGjFb0CVHxEVdiTeW@videotron.ca>
	<9B14D2A4E2D540DFBFD9E7E937948252@DESKTOPAV61F2H>
	<F180E881-618D-44F6-8785-42E9D0FBDCB7@elecraft.com>
	<Hy0AdLkJBImXYHy22dX8UM@videotron.ca>
Message-ID: <815531D8EF7D46C99ED10BCC897564C3@DESKTOPAV61F2H>

JT65 Montreal to St Louis Missouri
Thanks for the tips Wayne.

From: Robie Elms 
Sent: Monday, June 5, 2017 3:51 PM
To: Wayne Burdick 
Cc: Tom ; Elecraft Reflector 
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] 6 meters is open

Additional info: 

50.276 JT65  - lots of signals here (grid EL29) this afternoon!

Robie - AJ4F

K3 SN5508

On Mon, Jun 5, 2017 at 7:41 PM, Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com> wrote:

  Hi Tom,

  USB, typically at 50.125-50.135, or CW around 50.090-50.100.

  This time of year there are frequent openings due to various propagation modes. I just park the radio at 50.125, squelched. Occasionally you'll hear someone pop up.

  Wayne



  > On Jun 5, 2017, at 12:19 PM, Tom <tomb18 at videotron.ca> wrote:
  >
  > Hi,
  > Nothing up here in Montreal...but I've never been on 6m.  Is this USB?  FM?
  > Tom



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From k6dgw at foothill.net  Mon Jun  5 16:26:29 2017
From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen)
Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2017 13:26:29 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3s feature request: deadman timer
In-Reply-To: <CACYeN9xyH1Jp3Yr-NFs9gA1V7WfL6XRyZNk_PUAZiuPkWCq17Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACYeN9xyH1Jp3Yr-NFs9gA1V7WfL6XRyZNk_PUAZiuPkWCq17Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <aeb7ad06-7288-8cbf-f83b-b7c115b80106@foothill.net>

My early K3 with late FW quits after 30 seconds of continuous dits or 
dahs[kitten on the paddle problem]. The radio works fine on JT<mumble> 
and RTTY modes, so it's really a "semi-deadman" based inside the device 
which may be stuck in transmit. That wouldn't meet the requirements you 
originally described or the FCC's. One of the Elecraft wattmeteror P3 
sensor elements and a little bit of circuitry external to the 
transmitter would meet your requirements.

73,

Fred ("Skip") K6DGW
Sparks NV USA
Washoe County DM09dn

On 6/4/2017 1:55 PM, Jim Miller wrote:
> In reviewing what I need to do to remote my K-Line a good solution to a
> hung transmitter has remained elusive. The only sure way to kill the
> transmitter is by pulling the plug, potentially scrambling the firmware.
> Note that sending commands from an attached PC is not a solution since it
> may have been the culprit in the hang in the first place. Likewise internet
> access may have been disrupted making remote reset impossible.
>
> I believe the solution is best solved by putting a deadman timer option in
> the K3 firmware.
>
> I envision this as having an adjustable period (0-99) of minutes, zero
> would be the default and make the deadman timer off.
>
> The deadman timer would be reset each Key out went inactive.
>
> I'm not sure what the K3 should do other than cease transmitting. It may be
> best to do a full orderly shutdown. That way external logic could sense via
> the Aux connector Pin8 (Power On) or the RCA 12v DC out jack that the K3 is
> off and take station specific action.
>


From lists at subich.com  Mon Jun  5 16:50:55 2017
From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV)
Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2017 16:50:55 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3s feature request: deadman timer
In-Reply-To: <aeb7ad06-7288-8cbf-f83b-b7c115b80106@foothill.net>
References: <CACYeN9xyH1Jp3Yr-NFs9gA1V7WfL6XRyZNk_PUAZiuPkWCq17Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<aeb7ad06-7288-8cbf-f83b-b7c115b80106@foothill.net>
Message-ID: <210d5242-0bd9-04e8-4c46-f5b7a5292ed5@subich.com>



> One of the Elecraft wattmeteror P3 sensor elements and a little bit
> of circuitry external to the transmitter would meet your
> requirements.
Would not even take that ... an NE555, some resistors, capacitors, maybe
a couple NAND or NOR gates is all it takes.  Set up an "N" minute timer
triggered from Key Out (or Key Out LP) that is retriggered (reset when
Key Out is released). Use the output of the timer to drive the Inhibit
input and lock out RF if the timer ever expires.

There are probably more elegant timer than the NE555 but it's cheap
and easy to work with <G>.  These days, one could probably do all of
it with a simple PIC (one IC).

73,

    ... Joe, W4TV


On 6/5/2017 4:26 PM, Fred Jensen wrote:
> My early K3 with late FW quits after 30 seconds of continuous dits or 
> dahs[kitten on the paddle problem]. The radio works fine on JT<mumble> 
> and RTTY modes, so it's really a "semi-deadman" based inside the device 
> which may be stuck in transmit. That wouldn't meet the requirements you 
> originally described or the FCC's. One of the Elecraft wattmeteror P3 
> sensor elements and a little bit of circuitry external to the 
> transmitter would meet your requirements.
> 
> 73,
> 
> Fred ("Skip") K6DGW
> Sparks NV USA
> Washoe County DM09dn
> 
> On 6/4/2017 1:55 PM, Jim Miller wrote:
>> In reviewing what I need to do to remote my K-Line a good solution to a
>> hung transmitter has remained elusive. The only sure way to kill the
>> transmitter is by pulling the plug, potentially scrambling the firmware.
>> Note that sending commands from an attached PC is not a solution since it
>> may have been the culprit in the hang in the first place. Likewise 
>> internet
>> access may have been disrupted making remote reset impossible.
>>
>> I believe the solution is best solved by putting a deadman timer 
>> option in
>> the K3 firmware.
>>
>> I envision this as having an adjustable period (0-99) of minutes, zero
>> would be the default and make the deadman timer off.
>>
>> The deadman timer would be reset each Key out went inactive.
>>
>> I'm not sure what the K3 should do other than cease transmitting. It 
>> may be
>> best to do a full orderly shutdown. That way external logic could 
>> sense via
>> the Aux connector Pin8 (Power On) or the RCA 12v DC out jack that the 
>> K3 is
>> off and take station specific action.
>>
> 
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From cautery at montac.com  Mon Jun  5 17:02:04 2017
From: cautery at montac.com (Clay Autery)
Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2017 16:02:04 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] 6 meters is open
In-Reply-To: <923E03C9-5738-4BDB-A9EF-F5D484303767@elecraft.com>
References: <923E03C9-5738-4BDB-A9EF-F5D484303767@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <f73bb1bc-7263-f876-7d8e-50302812ae9b@montac.com>

Sweet!  See what I am missing because I only have one HF radio?  Can't
get Momma to understand this....  I "need" a KX3 and a KX2 to go with my
K3s...  One in the shack, one in the truck, and one for backpacking
and/or backup when I send them in for updates y'all won't let me do.  :-D

??...  How do you make a 1000-watt QSO with 8-watts out on a dipole? 
I've been looking for that very loophole in the laws of physics ALL MY
LIFE!  ;-)
Building a tri-band 6m/2m/70cm vertical dipole....  Trying to figure out
how to build in ability to rotate from vert to horizontal so I can use
the same antenna on SSB, etc..  Maybe I'll just grab a multi-element 6m
quad and put it up, too.

73,

______________________
Clay Autery, KY5G
MONTAC Enterprises
(318) 518-1389

On 6/5/2017 1:54 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
> Just made a couple of 1000-watt QSOs around 50.125 (SSB and CW). Not exactly exotic DX, but not bad for 8 watts and a dipole at 25 feet.
>
> If you haven?t tried 6 meters before, now would be a good time :)   See dxmaps.com for updated propagation info. You can set up an account to generate alerts via email.
>
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR


From jaunti at gmail.com  Mon Jun  5 17:15:25 2017
From: jaunti at gmail.com (Jan Timmers)
Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2017 14:15:25 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] 6 meters is open
In-Reply-To: <f73bb1bc-7263-f876-7d8e-50302812ae9b@montac.com>
References: <923E03C9-5738-4BDB-A9EF-F5D484303767@elecraft.com>
	<f73bb1bc-7263-f876-7d8e-50302812ae9b@montac.com>
Message-ID: <CANa_i+ioFCa4GK8L4PhMk7GGVT7fDD-_c+x9FyCi4hOqkDPP0w@mail.gmail.com>

Probably means 1000 km per watt.

On Mon, Jun 5, 2017 at 2:02 PM, Clay Autery <cautery at montac.com> wrote:

> Sweet!  See what I am missing because I only have one HF radio?  Can't
> get Momma to understand this....  I "need" a KX3 and a KX2 to go with my
> K3s...  One in the shack, one in the truck, and one for backpacking
> and/or backup when I send them in for updates y'all won't let me do.  :-D
>
> ??...  How do you make a 1000-watt QSO with 8-watts out on a dipole?
> I've been looking for that very loophole in the laws of physics ALL MY
> LIFE!  ;-)
> Building a tri-band 6m/2m/70cm vertical dipole....  Trying to figure out
> how to build in ability to rotate from vert to horizontal so I can use
> the same antenna on SSB, etc..  Maybe I'll just grab a multi-element 6m
> quad and put it up, too.
>
> 73,
>
> ______________________
> Clay Autery, KY5G
> MONTAC Enterprises
> (318) 518-1389
>
> On 6/5/2017 1:54 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
> > Just made a couple of 1000-watt QSOs around 50.125 (SSB and CW). Not
> exactly exotic DX, but not bad for 8 watts and a dipole at 25 feet.
> >
> > If you haven?t tried 6 meters before, now would be a good time :)   See
> dxmaps.com for updated propagation info. You can set up an account to
> generate alerts via email.
> >
> > 73,
> > Wayne
> > N6KR
>
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From n6kr at elecraft.com  Mon Jun  5 17:42:15 2017
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2017 14:42:15 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3s feature request: deadman timer
In-Reply-To: <CACYeN9xyH1Jp3Yr-NFs9gA1V7WfL6XRyZNk_PUAZiuPkWCq17Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACYeN9xyH1Jp3Yr-NFs9gA1V7WfL6XRyZNk_PUAZiuPkWCq17Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <15BD1BEC-43BC-4901-950D-24355523C5AC@elecraft.com>

Jim,

This is on the firmware list. I?ll move it up.

73,
Wayne
N6KR


> On Jun 4, 2017, at 1:55 PM, Jim Miller <jim at jtmiller.com> wrote:
> 
> In reviewing what I need to do to remote my K-Line a good solution to a hung transmitter has remained elusive. The only sure way to kill the transmitter is by pulling the plug, potentially scrambling the firmware. Note that sending commands from an attached PC is not a solution since it may have been the culprit in the hang in the first place. Likewise internet access may have been disrupted making remote reset impossible.
> 
> I believe the solution is best solved by putting a deadman timer option in the K3 firmware.
> 
> I envision this as having an adjustable period (0-99) of minutes, zero would be the default and make the deadman timer off.
> 
> The deadman timer would be reset each Key out went inactive.
> 
> I'm not sure what the K3 should do other than cease transmitting. It may be best to do a full orderly shutdown. That way external logic could sense via the Aux connector Pin8 (Power On) or the RCA 12v DC out jack that the K3 is off and take station specific action.
> 
> Thanks for your consideration
> 
> 73
> 
> Jim ab3cv
> 
> 
> 
> 


From kl7cw at mtaonline.net  Mon Jun  5 18:46:22 2017
From: kl7cw at mtaonline.net (Frederick Dwight)
Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2017 13:46:22 -0900
Subject: [Elecraft] Random wire length
Message-ID: <20170605214900522@smtp754.redcondor.net>

My KX-1 with a 25 ft antenna and one or two 17 ft counterpoises laying on the ground nearly always loads easily on 40, 30, and 20 meters.  The KX-1 has a rather limited range antenna tuner.  So I would not think your 58 ft antenna wire should not present much of a problem on 80.  However this is for my counterpoise wire(s) laying directly on the ground.  However if my 17 ft counterpoise is elevated, or is above ground for say the first 5 or more feet, sometimes will not match on 40 meters until I lengthen the counterpoise to at least something like about 25 ft, or better yet a full 1/4th wavelength which is about 34 ft on 40 meters.  So if your counterpoise wire(s) are partly or mostly above ground, a counterpoise closer to 67 ft will probably improve your match and performance.  I would think even a 40 or 50 foot counterpoise wire laying on the ground would work.  I had some luck with a 51 ft counterpoise laying on the ground on 80 meters?.but only limited experience on that band.  Sometimes I have had good luck on 40, 30, and 20 meters just clipping onto a metal picnic table, chain link fence, guardrail, etc. for my counterpoise but sometimes adding a counterpoise wire also.  So an additional ground wire clipped onto a metal object, even a car body, often helps, but occasionally clipping onto something seems to degrade reception?.just give it a try.
  Sometimes I needed to lay my counterpoise wires under picnic tables, tents, the car, etc with lots of zigzags.  Usually it worked just fine?.but not sure about 80 meters.  
          Rick   KL7CW
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From k9yeq at live.com  Mon Jun  5 18:02:00 2017
From: k9yeq at live.com (Bill Johnson)
Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2017 22:02:00 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] 6 meters is open
In-Reply-To: <F180E881-618D-44F6-8785-42E9D0FBDCB7@elecraft.com>
References: <923E03C9-5738-4BDB-A9EF-F5D484303767@elecraft.com>
	<HxEUdnGjFb0CVHxEVdiTeW@videotron.ca>
	<9B14D2A4E2D540DFBFD9E7E937948252@DESKTOPAV61F2H>
	<F180E881-618D-44F6-8785-42E9D0FBDCB7@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <RO1P152MB0907AB1174F97CC4133175329CCA0@RO1P152MB0907.LAMP152.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

Wayne which radio? K3S?

73,
Bill
K9YEQ

From: Wayne Burdick [mailto:n6kr at elecraft.com]
Sent: Monday, June 5, 2017 2:42 PM
To: Tom <tomb18 at videotron.ca>
Cc: Bill Johnson <k9yeq at live.com>; Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] 6 meters is open

Hi Tom,

USB, typically at 50.125-50.135, or CW around 50.090-50.100.

This time of year there are frequent openings due to various propagation modes. I just park the radio at 50.125, squelched. Occasionally you'll hear someone pop up.

Wayne



On Jun 5, 2017, at 12:19 PM, Tom <tomb18 at videotron.ca<mailto:tomb18 at videotron.ca>> wrote:


Hi,
Nothing up here in Montreal...but I've never been on 6m.  Is this USB?  FM?
Tom



From k9yeq at live.com  Mon Jun  5 18:09:23 2017
From: k9yeq at live.com (Bill Johnson)
Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2017 22:09:23 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] 6 meters is open
In-Reply-To: <f73bb1bc-7263-f876-7d8e-50302812ae9b@montac.com>
References: <923E03C9-5738-4BDB-A9EF-F5D484303767@elecraft.com>
	<f73bb1bc-7263-f876-7d8e-50302812ae9b@montac.com>
Message-ID: <RO1P152MB0907ED0AAE9913FC50DC31BB9CCA0@RO1P152MB0907.LAMP152.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

I had a serious conversation with wife yesterday.  She says she cannot trust me for spending.  I explained, if you don't want to have the conversation, won't consider what I love, fine end of conversation.  I will do what I want.  Therefore, you can trust me to do what I love to do.  Just like before we got married: in bachelor pad, my kitchen table had a Gonset Sidewinder and other ham related stuff.  I had to push it off to the side to use the table.  Then we got married.  Then I continued interest in the hobby after we left the next apartment and 1st home and moved to the second.  I kept 2 meter mobile to that point, but I had a tech license and 2 meter FM was super active.  To answer her objections:  what didn't you understand that I have been licensed from 1960 and had the equipment on my kitchen table in the apartment and when you married me you would think I would give up the hobby?  I think she is very close to giving up her objections after 43 years.  :-)

73,
Bill
K9YEQ

-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Clay Autery
Sent: Monday, June 5, 2017 4:02 PM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] 6 meters is open

Sweet!  See what I am missing because I only have one HF radio?  Can't get Momma to understand this....  I "need" a KX3 and a KX2 to go with my K3s...  One in the shack, one in the truck, and one for backpacking and/or backup when I send them in for updates y'all won't let me do.  :-D

??...  How do you make a 1000-watt QSO with 8-watts out on a dipole? 
I've been looking for that very loophole in the laws of physics ALL MY LIFE!  ;-) Building a tri-band 6m/2m/70cm vertical dipole....  Trying to figure out how to build in ability to rotate from vert to horizontal so I can use the same antenna on SSB, etc..  Maybe I'll just grab a multi-element 6m quad and put it up, too.

73,

______________________
Clay Autery, KY5G
MONTAC Enterprises
(318) 518-1389

On 6/5/2017 1:54 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
> Just made a couple of 1000-watt QSOs around 50.125 (SSB and CW). Not exactly exotic DX, but not bad for 8 watts and a dipole at 25 feet.
>
> If you haven?t tried 6 meters before, now would be a good time :)   See dxmaps.com for updated propagation info. You can set up an account to generate alerts via email.
>
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR

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From wunder at wunderwood.org  Mon Jun  5 18:12:05 2017
From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood)
Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2017 15:12:05 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] 6 meters is open
In-Reply-To: <RO1P152MB0907AB1174F97CC4133175329CCA0@RO1P152MB0907.LAMP152.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
References: <923E03C9-5738-4BDB-A9EF-F5D484303767@elecraft.com>
	<HxEUdnGjFb0CVHxEVdiTeW@videotron.ca>
	<9B14D2A4E2D540DFBFD9E7E937948252@DESKTOPAV61F2H>
	<F180E881-618D-44F6-8785-42E9D0FBDCB7@elecraft.com>
	<RO1P152MB0907AB1174F97CC4133175329CCA0@RO1P152MB0907.LAMP152.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
Message-ID: <6CAA2370-6915-4D19-BABA-32897E2A793B@wunderwood.org>

8 W on 6 m would suggest a KX3. The KX2 does not have that band. 8 W is the spec?ed power out for the KX3 on that band.

wunder
K6WRU
Walter Underwood
CM87wj
http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog)

> On Jun 5, 2017, at 3:02 PM, Bill Johnson <k9yeq at live.com> wrote:
> 
> Wayne which radio? K3S?
> 
> 73,
> Bill
> K9YEQ
> 
> From: Wayne Burdick [mailto:n6kr at elecraft.com]
> Sent: Monday, June 5, 2017 2:42 PM
> To: Tom <tomb18 at videotron.ca>
> Cc: Bill Johnson <k9yeq at live.com>; Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] 6 meters is open
> 
> Hi Tom,
> 
> USB, typically at 50.125-50.135, or CW around 50.090-50.100.
> 
> This time of year there are frequent openings due to various propagation modes. I just park the radio at 50.125, squelched. Occasionally you'll hear someone pop up.
> 
> Wayne
> 
> 
> 
> On Jun 5, 2017, at 12:19 PM, Tom <tomb18 at videotron.ca<mailto:tomb18 at videotron.ca>> wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi,
> Nothing up here in Montreal...but I've never been on 6m.  Is this USB?  FM?
> Tom
> 
> 
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From wa2eio at optonline.net  Mon Jun  5 18:59:35 2017
From: wa2eio at optonline.net (Ron Manfredi)
Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2017 18:59:35 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Using the K3s with a Tokyo Hy-Power HL-1.5KFX amp.
Message-ID: <9e343cd0-46be-4f81-9fd7-22cfa13d7e0b@optonline.net>

Is there a cable available to allow automatic band switching of this amp 
from the K3s?    (Or advice on how to make one up.)   The amp and rig 
work well together, but automatic band switching would be nice!   The 
only reference I have found online refers to adding pull up resistors to 
the (older) K3 board. (KI03?)

Thanks for any suggestions.

Ron  WA2EIO.


From n6kr at elecraft.com  Mon Jun  5 19:41:20 2017
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2017 16:41:20 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] 6 meters is open
In-Reply-To: <RO1P152MB0907AB1174F97CC4133175329CCA0@RO1P152MB0907.LAMP152.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
References: <923E03C9-5738-4BDB-A9EF-F5D484303767@elecraft.com>
	<HxEUdnGjFb0CVHxEVdiTeW@videotron.ca>
	<9B14D2A4E2D540DFBFD9E7E937948252@DESKTOPAV61F2H>
	<F180E881-618D-44F6-8785-42E9D0FBDCB7@elecraft.com>
	<RO1P152MB0907AB1174F97CC4133175329CCA0@RO1P152MB0907.LAMP152.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
Message-ID: <25D474B5-3BC9-4E3B-99E2-53DE671C2B27@elecraft.com>

KX3. 

I hadn't spent much time on 6 m this year, but today's opening was just too good to pass up. Worked K9CT (Craig in Illinois)...best DX yet at 8 W with the 6-m dipole :)

Wayne
N6KR


> On Jun 5, 2017, at 3:02 PM, Bill Johnson <k9yeq at live.com> wrote:
> 
> Wayne which radio? K3S?
>  
> 73,
> Bill
> K9YEQ
>  
> From: Wayne Burdick [mailto:n6kr at elecraft.com] 
> Sent: Monday, June 5, 2017 2:42 PM
> To: Tom <tomb18 at videotron.ca>
> Cc: Bill Johnson <k9yeq at live.com>; Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] 6 meters is open
>  
> Hi Tom,
>  
> USB, typically at 50.125-50.135, or CW around 50.090-50.100. 
>  
> This time of year there are frequent openings due to various propagation modes. I just park the radio at 50.125, squelched. Occasionally you'll hear someone pop up. 
>  
> Wayne 
>  
>  
>  
> On Jun 5, 2017, at 12:19 PM, Tom <tomb18 at videotron.ca> wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi,
> Nothing up here in Montreal...but I've never been on 6m.  Is this USB?  FM?
> Tom


From k9fd at flex.com  Mon Jun  5 20:25:12 2017
From: k9fd at flex.com (Merv Schweigert)
Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2017 14:25:12 -1000
Subject: [Elecraft] 6 meters is open
In-Reply-To: <f73bb1bc-7263-f876-7d8e-50302812ae9b@montac.com>
References: <923E03C9-5738-4BDB-A9EF-F5D484303767@elecraft.com>
	<f73bb1bc-7263-f876-7d8e-50302812ae9b@montac.com>
Message-ID: <5935F668.3050402@flex.com>

To go from vertical to horizontal on SSB,  just turn the mic 90 degs,

> Sweet!  See what I am missing because I only have one HF radio?  Can't
> get Momma to understand this....  I "need" a KX3 and a KX2 to go with my
> K3s...  One in the shack, one in the truck, and one for backpacking
> and/or backup when I send them in for updates y'all won't let me do.  :-D
>
> ??...  How do you make a 1000-watt QSO with 8-watts out on a dipole?
> I've been looking for that very loophole in the laws of physics ALL MY
> LIFE!  ;-)
> Building a tri-band 6m/2m/70cm vertical dipole....  Trying to figure out
> how to build in ability to rotate from vert to horizontal so I can use
> the same antenna on SSB, etc..  Maybe I'll just grab a multi-element 6m
> quad and put it up, too.
>
> 73,
>
> ______________________
> Clay Autery, KY5G
> MONTAC Enterprises
> (318) 518-1389
>
> On 6/5/2017 1:54 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
>> Just made a couple of 1000-watt QSOs around 50.125 (SSB and CW). Not exactly exotic DX, but not bad for 8 watts and a dipole at 25 feet.
>>
>> If you haven?t tried 6 meters before, now would be a good time :)   See dxmaps.com for updated propagation info. You can set up an account to generate alerts via email.
>>
>> 73,
>> Wayne
>> N6KR
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From john.dolan55 at gmail.com  Mon Jun  5 20:43:05 2017
From: john.dolan55 at gmail.com (John Dolan)
Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2017 20:43:05 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] 10 Meters open
Message-ID: <CACAmuS-pkgQWFosPi=PBmpa6a4ku4hXJ+wfkyWTz-1jeeH5dMg@mail.gmail.com>

Ten is open to all over the place.

I am om 28.350

73, John WB4YAL

*Many of life's problems can be solved by simply deciding what we can do
without. -JohnDolan  <https://www.qrz.com/db/WB4YAL>*

From cautery at montac.com  Mon Jun  5 22:33:16 2017
From: cautery at montac.com (Clay Autery)
Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2017 21:33:16 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Using the K3s with a Tokyo Hy-Power HL-1.5KFX amp.
In-Reply-To: <9e343cd0-46be-4f81-9fd7-22cfa13d7e0b@optonline.net>
References: <9e343cd0-46be-4f81-9fd7-22cfa13d7e0b@optonline.net>
Message-ID: <78f5749c-03cc-4626-2a03-898fb1bf460d@montac.com>

Send me a manual in PDF for your amp and I'll take a look....  I've been
making custom cables for 20+ years....

______________________
Clay Autery, KY5G
MONTAC Enterprises
(318) 518-1389

On 6/5/2017 5:59 PM, Ron Manfredi wrote:
> Is there a cable available to allow automatic band switching of this
> amp from the K3s?    (Or advice on how to make one up.)   The amp and
> rig work well together, but automatic band switching would be nice!  
> The only reference I have found online refers to adding pull up
> resistors to the (older) K3 board. (KI03?)
>
> Thanks for any suggestions.
>
> Ron  WA2EIO.
>
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From m.matthew.george at gmail.com  Mon Jun  5 22:39:41 2017
From: m.matthew.george at gmail.com (M. George)
Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2017 20:39:41 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] Using the K3s with a Tokyo Hy-Power HL-1.5KFX amp.
In-Reply-To: <78f5749c-03cc-4626-2a03-898fb1bf460d@montac.com>
References: <9e343cd0-46be-4f81-9fd7-22cfa13d7e0b@optonline.net>
	<78f5749c-03cc-4626-2a03-898fb1bf460d@montac.com>
Message-ID: <CAFYRpHt3fcVDyFErE544ZJAT18kT_9cUnAMcqeVzVm3sk8q6sg@mail.gmail.com>

A quick google search will return this link for the manual in pdf format:

http://www.radiomanual.info/schemi/ACC_PA/Tokyo_Hy-power_HL-1.5KFX_user.pdf

Page 14 has the details on making a cable for band data / switching.  Setup
a cable for the Kenwood and match the details for the ACC port on the K3.
I suspect you should be good to go.  I don't see any cable making 'rocket
science' that would be required. :)

Max NG7M

On Mon, Jun 5, 2017 at 8:33 PM, Clay Autery <cautery at montac.com> wrote:

> Send me a manual in PDF for your amp and I'll take a look....  I've been
> making custom cables for 20+ years....
>
> ______________________
> Clay Autery, KY5G
> MONTAC Enterprises
> (318) 518-1389
>
> On 6/5/2017 5:59 PM, Ron Manfredi wrote:
> > Is there a cable available to allow automatic band switching of this
> > amp from the K3s?    (Or advice on how to make one up.)   The amp and
> > rig work well together, but automatic band switching would be nice!
> > The only reference I have found online refers to adding pull up
> > resistors to the (older) K3 board. (KI03?)
> >
> > Thanks for any suggestions.
> >
> > Ron  WA2EIO.
> >
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From tomb18 at videotron.ca  Mon Jun  5 23:00:15 2017
From: tomb18 at videotron.ca (tomb18)
Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2017 23:00:15 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Using the K3s with a Tokyo Hy-Power HL-1.5KFX amp.
Message-ID: <f3ff738da7f995d555e898148999684e@smtp.videotron.ca>

HiThere is another way to do this if you use Win4k3suite. Just plug the rs232 out from the amp into your computer, and then connect directly to it in Win4k3suite using the auxiliary port.?Then just set the port settings to generate band info or auto information.?It will follow the bands at that point..?73 Tom?Va2fsq.com?


Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
-------- Original message --------From: "M. George" <m.matthew.george at gmail.com> Date: 2017-06-05  10:39 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: Elecraft Mailer <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Using the K3s with a Tokyo Hy-Power HL-1.5KFX amp. 
A quick google search will return this link for the manual in pdf format:

http://www.radiomanual.info/schemi/ACC_PA/Tokyo_Hy-power_HL-1.5KFX_user.pdf

Page 14 has the details on making a cable for band data / switching.? Setup
a cable for the Kenwood and match the details for the ACC port on the K3.
I suspect you should be good to go.? I don't see any cable making 'rocket
science' that would be required. :)

Max NG7M

On Mon, Jun 5, 2017 at 8:33 PM, Clay Autery <cautery at montac.com> wrote:

> Send me a manual in PDF for your amp and I'll take a look....? I've been
> making custom cables for 20+ years....
>
> ______________________
> Clay Autery, KY5G
> MONTAC Enterprises
> (318) 518-1389
>
> On 6/5/2017 5:59 PM, Ron Manfredi wrote:
> > Is there a cable available to allow automatic band switching of this
> > amp from the K3s???? (Or advice on how to make one up.)?? The amp and
> > rig work well together, but automatic band switching would be nice!
> > The only reference I have found online refers to adding pull up
> > resistors to the (older) K3 board. (KI03?)
> >
> > Thanks for any suggestions.
> >
> > Ron? WA2EIO.
> >
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From cautery at montac.com  Tue Jun  6 00:24:10 2017
From: cautery at montac.com (Clay Autery)
Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2017 23:24:10 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Using the K3s with a Tokyo Hy-Power HL-1.5KFX amp.
In-Reply-To: <f3ff738da7f995d555e898148999684e@smtp.videotron.ca>
References: <f3ff738da7f995d555e898148999684e@smtp.videotron.ca>
Message-ID: <284a462c-63b8-46bd-f4ea-83bde6d969fa@montac.com>

Doh!  Never crossed my mind Tom... and I love Win4K3...  :-)

Another way to skin the cat...

______________________
Clay Autery, KY5G
MONTAC Enterprises
(318) 518-1389

On 6/5/2017 10:00 PM, tomb18 wrote:
> HiThere is another way to do this if you use Win4k3suite. Just plug the rs232 out from the amp into your computer, and then connect directly to it in Win4k3suite using the auxiliary port. Then just set the port settings to generate band info or auto information. It will follow the bands at that point.. 73 Tom Va2fsq.com 
>

From gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk  Tue Jun  6 08:52:30 2017
From: gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk (David Anderson)
Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2017 13:52:30 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] 6 meters is open
In-Reply-To: <F180E881-618D-44F6-8785-42E9D0FBDCB7@elecraft.com>
References: <923E03C9-5738-4BDB-A9EF-F5D484303767@elecraft.com>
	<HxEUdnGjFb0CVHxEVdiTeW@videotron.ca>
	<9B14D2A4E2D540DFBFD9E7E937948252@DESKTOPAV61F2H>
	<F180E881-618D-44F6-8785-42E9D0FBDCB7@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <0F7F75FB-BE1B-44C3-B078-094890AF01E9@yahoo.co.uk>

Hi folks,

Glad to see the interest in 6m, it is an amazing band when it opens even outside sunspot maximum.  Multihop Sporadic E can give DX right across the Atlantic and beyond.

There is a "DX Window" between 50.100 and 50.125 MHz. (see ARRL Bandplan)  That means it is reserved by mutual agreements for intercontinental DX contacts. You might not hear anything there and think it is clear, but there are many worldwide DX stations monitoring that quiet window for other fleeting weak DX stations half way around the world and that can be spoilt by local stations using it. 

The ARRL bandplan mentions 50.100 to 125 for the DX window but there is a move to try and extend it to 130 and move Domestic SSB contacts to 200.

Some helpful advice at 

http://www.qsl.net/n1irz/sixmeter.html


The JT65 community are using 5O.276 and it is very crowded during openings as well as very S L O W. So when signals are strong enough it is usually much faster to shift to CW or SSB.

Also meteor scatter takes place using MSK144 with 15 sec periods on 50.280 at any time, inside and outside of meteor showers.

With all of the new digital modes there are constant changes to operating modes and frequencies and some attempts at getting consensus on faster modes like JT9H FAST to suit transatlantic multihop Es better.

See bottom of page at

https://www.qrz.com/db/VE1SKY

As with any band that you are new to, or haven't used for a while, it is a good idea to do a bit of reading about operating frequencies, i.e. Bandplans and listen first to find out what the protocols are before transmitting. 

I had a ball on Sunday working CW across to the east coast USA and heard the left coast on JT65 and Japan in the morning a couple of days earlier.

See you on the magic band! - 6m


73 from David GM4JJJ

> On 5 Jun 2017, at 20:41, Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Tom,
> 
> USB, typically at 50.125-50.135, or CW around 50.090-50.100. 
> 
> This time of year there are frequent openings due to various propagation modes. I just park the radio at 50.125, squelched. Occasionally you'll hear someone pop up. 
> 
> Wayne 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jun 5, 2017, at 12:19 PM, Tom <tomb18 at videotron.ca> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> Nothing up here in Montreal...but I've never been on 6m.  Is this USB?  FM?
>> Tom
> 
> 
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From n6kr at elecraft.com  Tue Jun  6 10:44:12 2017
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2017 07:44:12 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] 6 meters is open
In-Reply-To: <0F7F75FB-BE1B-44C3-B078-094890AF01E9@yahoo.co.uk>
References: <923E03C9-5738-4BDB-A9EF-F5D484303767@elecraft.com>
	<HxEUdnGjFb0CVHxEVdiTeW@videotron.ca>
	<9B14D2A4E2D540DFBFD9E7E937948252@DESKTOPAV61F2H>
	<F180E881-618D-44F6-8785-42E9D0FBDCB7@elecraft.com>
	<0F7F75FB-BE1B-44C3-B078-094890AF01E9@yahoo.co.uk>
Message-ID: <70956CA3-553D-4FF3-9139-9F0C78E194C8@elecraft.com>

Thanks for the info, David. 

Unfortunately I think a lot of 6-m ops will have to go SK before they give up using 50.125 MHz as a calling frequency :)

73,
Wayne
N6KR


> On Jun 6, 2017, at 5:52 AM, David Anderson <gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Hi folks,
> 
> Glad to see the interest in 6m, it is an amazing band when it opens even outside sunspot maximum.  Multihop Sporadic E can give DX right across the Atlantic and beyond.....



From mikelee0531 at me.com  Tue Jun  6 10:55:31 2017
From: mikelee0531 at me.com (mikelee0531 at me.com)
Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2017 10:55:31 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] FS : Elecraft K3 - Loaded with 2nd Receiver and 2M module
Message-ID: <fa13084b-5be8-4c32-9410-be608bf6894f@Spark>


Price Drop - take advantage of a great deal..!!




Unit is in Nearly-New Condition - non-Smoking environment and cared-for by an
FCC Licensed Tech (FCC First Class Radio Telephone and Telegraph, with Radar
and Avionics)

Serial Number  # 6397

Has the following Options:

K3 Chassis, 100w Amp
KAT3A Tuner
2nd receiver
TCXO (although I normally use the external 10MHz reference)
10MHz Reference Lock board
KIO3B USB Upgrade

KXV3B Transverter IF inputs/outputs
DVR
1st Receiver Filters : 13.0, 2.8, 1.8, 700, 400 - all 8-pole
2nd Receiver Filters: 2.8, 1.8, 700, 400 - all 8-pole
General Coverage module
2-meter module
2m RefLock
K-Pod (never used)

Total value (new) over $5,820.
Asking $3,700.00 + $75 shipping (insured, from Florida

NO KNOWN DEFECTS - Unit works perfectly. The only ?problem" is that it doesn?t
get used very much, except to check-in on occasional nets. Never dropped or
abused. Single owner, single operator - never lent out to individuals or groups.

Contact me off list at - aa... at arrl.org

I am a long-time Elecraft user, having two (2) complete K-Lines, as well as
KX3?s (2) and a K2, so I know the quality of these products. I am also a former
Vice Director of ARRL?s SouthEastern Division - and am a 100% reliable seller.

Payment by Cashier?s Check or Postal Money Order ONLY

Thanks for looking,

Mike - AA6ML
aa... at arrl.org

From mikelee0531 at me.com  Tue Jun  6 11:02:49 2017
From: mikelee0531 at me.com (mikelee0531 at me.com)
Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2017 11:02:49 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] FS : K3/100 Loaded with 2nd Receiver and Super Sharp
	Filters
Message-ID: <861764f5-5d18-4c49-814e-d82324d88637@Spark>


Price Drop - Look again..!!




Unit is in Nearly-New Condition - non-Smoking environment and cared-for by an
FCC Licensed Tech (FCC First Class Radio Telephone and Telegraph, with Radar
and  Avionics)

Serial Number  # 5619

Has the following Options:

K3 Chassis, 100w Amp
KAT3A Tuner
2nd receiver

KSV3B Transverter IF input/output
TCXO (although I normally use the external 10MHz reference)
10MHz Reference Lock board
KIO3B USB Upgrade
DVR
1st Receiver Filters : 2.8, 1.0, 700, 250 - all 8-pole
2nd Receiver Filters: 2.8, 1.0, 700, 250 - all 8-pole

Total value (new) over $4,900.
Asking $2,900.00 + $75 shipping (insured, from Florida)


NO KNOWN DEFECTS - Unit works perfectly. The only ?problem" is that it doesn?t
get used very much, except to check-in on occasional nets. Never dropped or
abused. Single owner, single operator - never lent out to individuals or groups.

Contact me off list at - aa6ml at arrl.org

I am a long-time Elecraft user, having two (2) complete K-Lines, as well as
KX3?s (2) and a K2, so I know the quality of these products. I am also a former
Vice Director of ARRL?s SouthEastern Division - and am a 100% reliable seller.

Payment by Cashier?s Check or Postal Money Order ONLY

Thanks for looking,

Mike - AA6ML
aa6ml at arrl.org

From lmarion at mt.net  Tue Jun  6 11:54:08 2017
From: lmarion at mt.net (lmarion)
Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2017 09:54:08 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] 6 meters is open
In-Reply-To: <70956CA3-553D-4FF3-9139-9F0C78E194C8@elecraft.com>
References: <923E03C9-5738-4BDB-A9EF-F5D484303767@elecraft.com><HxEUdnGjFb0CVHxEVdiTeW@videotron.ca><9B14D2A4E2D540DFBFD9E7E937948252@DESKTOPAV61F2H><F180E881-618D-44F6-8785-42E9D0FBDCB7@elecraft.com><0F7F75FB-BE1B-44C3-B078-094890AF01E9@yahoo.co.uk>
	<70956CA3-553D-4FF3-9139-9F0C78E194C8@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <07222DC62D7C4BBA92E22B56E88427C3@LeroyPC>

What is the frequency they would like to change to?

73 Leroy AB7CE

-----Original Message----- 
From: Wayne Burdick
Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2017 8:44 AM
To: David Anderson
Cc: Elecraft Reflector
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] 6 meters is open

Thanks for the info, David.

Unfortunately I think a lot of 6-m ops will have to go SK before they give 
up using 50.125 MHz as a calling frequency :)

73,
Wayne
N6KR


> On Jun 6, 2017, at 5:52 AM, David Anderson <gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
> Hi folks,
>
> Glad to see the interest in 6m, it is an amazing band when it opens even 
> outside sunspot maximum.  Multihop Sporadic E can give DX right across the 
> Atlantic and beyond.....


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From ctate at ewnetinc.com  Tue Jun  6 12:24:36 2017
From: ctate at ewnetinc.com (Chris Tate - N6WM)
Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2017 16:24:36 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] 6 meters is open
In-Reply-To: <70956CA3-553D-4FF3-9139-9F0C78E194C8@elecraft.com>
References: <923E03C9-5738-4BDB-A9EF-F5D484303767@elecraft.com>
	<HxEUdnGjFb0CVHxEVdiTeW@videotron.ca>
	<9B14D2A4E2D540DFBFD9E7E937948252@DESKTOPAV61F2H>
	<F180E881-618D-44F6-8785-42E9D0FBDCB7@elecraft.com>
	<0F7F75FB-BE1B-44C3-B078-094890AF01E9@yahoo.co.uk>
	<70956CA3-553D-4FF3-9139-9F0C78E194C8@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <236350B81BC09D42B8C3B41A97C654DD1D80B9BC@AUSP01DAG0504.collaborationhost.net>

I think what Wayne was actually saying (correct me if im wrong) is that people tend to forget and camp on 125, yesterday there were 3/4 stations having qso's simultaneously.  Find a run qrg up band, periodically dropping down and calling on 125.. the SSB calling frequency, and announce your up band run frequency, and use the A/B on your K3 to switch band and forth..  helps keep 125 free and clear for everyone to get a few in the log.   

-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Wayne Burdick
Sent: Tuesday, June 6, 2017 7:44 AM
To: David Anderson <gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk>
Cc: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] 6 meters is open

Thanks for the info, David. 

Unfortunately I think a lot of 6-m ops will have to go SK before they give up using 50.125 MHz as a calling frequency :)

73,
Wayne
N6KR


> On Jun 6, 2017, at 5:52 AM, David Anderson <gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Hi folks,
> 
> Glad to see the interest in 6m, it is an amazing band when it opens even outside sunspot maximum.  Multihop Sporadic E can give DX right across the Atlantic and beyond.....


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From josh at voodoolab.com  Tue Jun  6 12:56:35 2017
From: josh at voodoolab.com (Josh)
Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2017 09:56:35 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] 6 meters is open
In-Reply-To: <236350B81BC09D42B8C3B41A97C654DD1D80B9BC@AUSP01DAG0504.collaborationhost.net>
References: <923E03C9-5738-4BDB-A9EF-F5D484303767@elecraft.com>
	<HxEUdnGjFb0CVHxEVdiTeW@videotron.ca>
	<9B14D2A4E2D540DFBFD9E7E937948252@DESKTOPAV61F2H>
	<F180E881-618D-44F6-8785-42E9D0FBDCB7@elecraft.com>
	<0F7F75FB-BE1B-44C3-B078-094890AF01E9@yahoo.co.uk>
	<70956CA3-553D-4FF3-9139-9F0C78E194C8@elecraft.com>
	<236350B81BC09D42B8C3B41A97C654DD1D80B9BC@AUSP01DAG0504.collaborationhost.net>
Message-ID: <B24EE375-F9C1-472D-B0A8-6DA47DA64296@voodoolab.com>

Chris,

What you're describing has always been proper operating etiquette. 

However, they're referring to actually moving the calling freq up from 125. The problem is that 125 is the top edge of DX window. You get a strong local using SSB in 125 and it's too close to very weak DX. 

73,
Josh W6XU

Sent from my mobile device

> On Jun 6, 2017, at 9:24 AM, Chris Tate - N6WM <ctate at ewnetinc.com> wrote:
> 
> I think what Wayne was actually saying (correct me if im wrong) is that people tend to forget and camp on 125, yesterday there were 3/4 stations having qso's simultaneously.  Find a run qrg up band, periodically dropping down and calling on 125.. the SSB calling frequency, and announce your up band run frequency, and use the A/B on your K3 to switch band and forth..  helps keep 125 free and clear for everyone to get a few in the log.   
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Wayne Burdick
> Sent: Tuesday, June 6, 2017 7:44 AM
> To: David Anderson <gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk>
> Cc: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] 6 meters is open
> 
> Thanks for the info, David. 
> 
> Unfortunately I think a lot of 6-m ops will have to go SK before they give up using 50.125 MHz as a calling frequency :)
> 
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR
>> 


From wes_n7ws at triconet.org  Tue Jun  6 14:36:15 2017
From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes Stewart)
Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2017 11:36:15 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] 6 meters is open
In-Reply-To: <B24EE375-F9C1-472D-B0A8-6DA47DA64296@voodoolab.com>
References: <923E03C9-5738-4BDB-A9EF-F5D484303767@elecraft.com>
	<HxEUdnGjFb0CVHxEVdiTeW@videotron.ca>
	<9B14D2A4E2D540DFBFD9E7E937948252@DESKTOPAV61F2H>
	<F180E881-618D-44F6-8785-42E9D0FBDCB7@elecraft.com>
	<0F7F75FB-BE1B-44C3-B078-094890AF01E9@yahoo.co.uk>
	<70956CA3-553D-4FF3-9139-9F0C78E194C8@elecraft.com>
	<236350B81BC09D42B8C3B41A97C654DD1D80B9BC@AUSP01DAG0504.collaborationhost.net>
	<B24EE375-F9C1-472D-B0A8-6DA47DA64296@voodoolab.com>
Message-ID: <6da7547d-e337-9300-de7c-6d9967e380c1@triconet.org>

When I partially migrated from HF to VHF in the 70's I jumped over six, went to 
2M and got involved in MS, Tropo and EME, hence I was never interested in 6M and 
never built any equipment for the band.  But, since I had acquired a K3, but no 
amp or tuner, I connected to my 80-meter inverted-vee and listened a bit during 
Field Day 2009.  I heard a local numbskull on top of a nearby 9,500 ASL mountain 
working Es stations on 50.125 without QSY.

In disgust I started tuning down into the DX window.  At 50.123+ I heard a weak 
CW CQ.  When he stood by, I gave him a call.  I probably had no more than a few 
watts into the dipole but he answered. It was JL8GFB!  In the log at 0014Z.  
Over an hour later, at 0122Z I heard and worked JA7WSZ on 50.096.  The local was 
still CQing and the band was open to JA but no one seemed to know.

Wes  N7WS



On 6/6/2017 9:56 AM, Josh wrote:
> Chris,
>
> What you're describing has always been proper operating etiquette.
>
> However, they're referring to actually moving the calling freq up from 125. The problem is that 125 is the top edge of DX window. You get a strong local using SSB in 125 and it's too close to very weak DX.
>
> 73,
> Josh W6XU
>


From k9yeq at live.com  Tue Jun  6 16:08:06 2017
From: k9yeq at live.com (Bill Johnson)
Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2017 20:08:06 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] 6 meters is open
In-Reply-To: <70956CA3-553D-4FF3-9139-9F0C78E194C8@elecraft.com>
References: <923E03C9-5738-4BDB-A9EF-F5D484303767@elecraft.com>
	<HxEUdnGjFb0CVHxEVdiTeW@videotron.ca>
	<9B14D2A4E2D540DFBFD9E7E937948252@DESKTOPAV61F2H>
	<F180E881-618D-44F6-8785-42E9D0FBDCB7@elecraft.com>
	<0F7F75FB-BE1B-44C3-B078-094890AF01E9@yahoo.co.uk>
	<70956CA3-553D-4FF3-9139-9F0C78E194C8@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <RO1P152MB0907460BCF117AF516E3EDEF9CCB0@RO1P152MB0907.LAMP152.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

For some of us, that might not be too far away.  :-)

73,
Bill
K9YEQ

-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Wayne Burdick
Sent: Tuesday, June 6, 2017 9:44 AM
To: David Anderson <gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk>
Cc: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] 6 meters is open

Thanks for the info, David. 

Unfortunately I think a lot of 6-m ops will have to go SK before they give up using 50.125 MHz as a calling frequency :)

73,
Wayne
N6KR


> On Jun 6, 2017, at 5:52 AM, David Anderson <gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Hi folks,
> 
> Glad to see the interest in 6m, it is an amazing band when it opens even outside sunspot maximum.  Multihop Sporadic E can give DX right across the Atlantic and beyond.....


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From satterwhited at yahoo.com  Tue Jun  6 16:26:51 2017
From: satterwhited at yahoo.com (David Satterwhite)
Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2017 20:26:51 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] QRP and Camping/Back packing in the Bay Area
References: <1813886295.3829120.1496780811633.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1813886295.3829120.1496780811633@mail.yahoo.com>

 Hello everyone, I'm looking to go camping or Backpacking this weekend with my QRP set up and have some fun. Not to sure where a good place is in the Bay area or surrounding areas for that would be. I would prefer to get away from the crowds, some where I can have a small camp fire, bring my dog, and of course have decent propagation.
My short list so far is Mt. Diablo, or Black Diamond mines.
Does anybody have any other suggestions? I'm just getting back into the camping/back packing scene and would like to integrate QRP with it!
Thanks, Dave KM6P

From wunder at wunderwood.org  Tue Jun  6 16:47:20 2017
From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood)
Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2017 13:47:20 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] QRP and Camping/Back packing in the Bay Area
In-Reply-To: <1813886295.3829120.1496780811633@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1813886295.3829120.1496780811633.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<1813886295.3829120.1496780811633@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <920393DA-B323-4560-9420-A9B8E9FD141F@wunderwood.org>

Probably already too late for campfires this season. There have been brush fires along the sides of the road this week.

There are some great campsites in Sunol Regional Park. Check the Sunol Backpack Area. They are about 3-4 miles from the trailhead. Pretty sure those are no-campfire areas. Dogs allowed for day visitors only, according to their website.

http://www.ebparks.org/activities/camping/backpacking#sunol <http://www.ebparks.org/activities/camping/backpacking#sunol>

Sanborn County Park allows dogs.

https://www.sccgov.org/sites/parks/parkfinder/pages/sanborn.aspx <https://www.sccgov.org/sites/parks/parkfinder/pages/sanborn.aspx>

Dogs are allowed in the headquarters campground at Henry Coe SP, but not in the backcountry. Also, no campfires in the backcountry, ever.

https://www.parks.ca.gov/?page_id=561 <https://www.parks.ca.gov/?page_id=561>

A google search for "dog friendly camping bay area? showed some sites that might be helpful.

Finally, you probably need a California Campfire Permit. Those are needed even for gas stoves. The only time you don?t need them is in established campgrounds (like drive-in) or on your own private property.

http://www.preventwildfireca.org/Campfire-Permit/ <http://www.preventwildfireca.org/Campfire-Permit/>

Also, the regs about campfires and liability.

http://www.fire.ca.gov/communications/downloads/fact_sheets/campfiretips.pdf <http://www.fire.ca.gov/communications/downloads/fact_sheets/campfiretips.pdf>

wunder
K6WRU
Walter Underwood
CM87wj
http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog)

> On Jun 6, 2017, at 1:26 PM, David Satterwhite via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
> 
> Hello everyone, I'm looking to go camping or Backpacking this weekend with my QRP set up and have some fun. Not to sure where a good place is in the Bay area or surrounding areas for that would be. I would prefer to get away from the crowds, some where I can have a small camp fire, bring my dog, and of course have decent propagation.
> My short list so far is Mt. Diablo, or Black Diamond mines.
> Does anybody have any other suggestions? I'm just getting back into the camping/back packing scene and would like to integrate QRP with it!
> Thanks, Dave KM6P
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From wa6nhc at gmail.com  Tue Jun  6 16:50:39 2017
From: wa6nhc at gmail.com (Rick WA6NHC)
Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2017 13:50:39 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] QRP and Camping/Back packing in the Bay Area
In-Reply-To: <1813886295.3829120.1496780811633@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1813886295.3829120.1496780811633.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<1813886295.3829120.1496780811633@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <89bc15ef-f8f3-ddb6-7d8d-2f64037c3fb6@gmail.com>

You might want to look at Samuel P Taylor State Park in Marin County.  
There is nearby hiking and it's not far from the Point Reyes area 
(GGNRA) for varied hiking chances.


Rick wa6nhc/7


On 6/6/2017 1:26 PM, David Satterwhite via Elecraft wrote:
>   Hello everyone, I'm looking to go camping or Backpacking this weekend with my QRP set up and have some fun. Not to sure where a good place is in the Bay area or surrounding areas for that would be. I would prefer to get away from the crowds, some where I can have a small camp fire, bring my dog, and of course have decent propagation.
> My short list so far is Mt. Diablo, or Black Diamond mines.
> Does anybody have any other suggestions? I'm just getting back into the camping/back packing scene and would like to integrate QRP with it!
> Thanks, Dave KM6P
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From ron at cobi.biz  Tue Jun  6 17:31:01 2017
From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire)
Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2017 14:31:01 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] QRP and Camping/Back packing in the Bay Area
In-Reply-To: <1813886295.3829120.1496780811633@mail.yahoo.com>
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	<1813886295.3829120.1496780811633@mail.yahoo.com>
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For a combination of campfires and great operating environment you might
look into one of the beaches on the coast, such as New Brighton State Park
in Capitola, just south of Santa Cruz on the Monterey Bay. You probably
won't have any issues with a campfire in the locations designated for
camping and it's hard to beat the effects of that huge, unobstructed ground
plane to the west that we call the Pacific Ocean. 

I'm sure there are many other camping beaches that a little on-line research
will turn up. It's been a couple of decades since I lived in Capitola. 

73, Ron AC7AC

-----Original Message-----
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Elecraft
Sent: Tuesday, June 6, 2017 1:27 PM
To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] QRP and Camping/Back packing in the Bay Area

 Hello everyone, I'm looking to go camping or Backpacking this weekend with
my QRP set up and have some fun. Not to sure where a good place is in the
Bay area or surrounding areas for that would be. I would prefer to get away
from the crowds, some where I can have a small camp fire, bring my dog, and
of course have decent propagation.
My short list so far is Mt. Diablo, or Black Diamond mines.
Does anybody have any other suggestions? I'm just getting back into the
camping/back packing scene and would like to integrate QRP with it!
Thanks, Dave KM6P
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From ctate at ewnetinc.com  Tue Jun  6 17:32:15 2017
From: ctate at ewnetinc.com (Chris Tate - N6WM)
Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2017 21:32:15 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] QRP and Camping/Back packing in the Bay Area
In-Reply-To: <1813886295.3829120.1496780811633@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1813886295.3829120.1496780811633.ref@mail.yahoo.com>,
	<1813886295.3829120.1496780811633@mail.yahoo.com>
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Ya no campfires.. but this is a good time for Juniper campground at Mt Diablo..  get some elevation on that qrp signal..  SOTA W6/CC-045.  you can drive right up to your camp area..
________________________________________
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] on behalf of David Satterwhite via Elecraft [elecraft at mailman.qth.net]
Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2017 1:26 PM
To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] QRP and Camping/Back packing in the Bay Area

 Hello everyone, I'm looking to go camping or Backpacking this weekend with my QRP set up and have some fun. Not to sure where a good place is in the Bay area or surrounding areas for that would be. I would prefer to get away from the crowds, some where I can have a small camp fire, bring my dog, and of course have decent propagation.
My short list so far is Mt. Diablo, or Black Diamond mines.
Does anybody have any other suggestions? I'm just getting back into the camping/back packing scene and would like to integrate QRP with it!
Thanks, Dave KM6P
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From calhamjon at gmail.com  Tue Jun  6 17:42:30 2017
From: calhamjon at gmail.com (Jon Matthews)
Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2017 14:42:30 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Restoring KX2 SWR and power scales
Message-ID: <CAO2NS3eVuF4Y_jrD4JQ=f83tqno4ZsLxbW354-TMfznLTRrRdQ@mail.gmail.com>

In SSB mode, the display no longer shows the SWR and power output scales.
It remains "stuck" on the CMP and ALC scales. Tapping KYR-SPT-MIC (as the
manual seems to suggest to change the display) just alternates between MIC
gain and CW speed adjust. I am sure this is simple, but I have gone through
all the controls and the menu and am stumped. Thanks and 73, Jon - KM6CR

From k2asp at kanafi.org  Tue Jun  6 17:56:25 2017
From: k2asp at kanafi.org (Phil Kane)
Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2017 14:56:25 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] QRP and Camping/Back packing in the Bay Area
In-Reply-To: <236350B81BC09D42B8C3B41A97C654DD1D80C718@AUSP01DAG0504.collaborationhost.net>
References: <1813886295.3829120.1496780811633.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<1813886295.3829120.1496780811633@mail.yahoo.com>
	<236350B81BC09D42B8C3B41A97C654DD1D80C718@AUSP01DAG0504.collaborationhost.net>
Message-ID: <a153d3ab-ea96-55e5-95fa-a3a765999b9f@kanafi.org>

On 6/6/2017 2:32 PM, Chris Tate - N6WM wrote:

> Ya no campfires.. but this is a good time for Juniper campground at
> Mt Diablo..  get some elevation on that qrp signal..  SOTA W6/CC-045.
> you can drive right up to your camp area..

But be aware that Mt. Diablo is "RF city" with all the communication
sites up there on both North Peak and South Peak.  (I used to maintain
one.).  Not much HF if any but plenty of VHF, UHF, and microwave.

73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane
Elecraft K2/100   s/n 5402

>From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest
Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon

From gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk  Tue Jun  6 18:00:32 2017
From: gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk (David Anderson)
Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2017 23:00:32 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] 6 meters is open
In-Reply-To: <RO1P152MB0907460BCF117AF516E3EDEF9CCB0@RO1P152MB0907.LAMP152.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
References: <923E03C9-5738-4BDB-A9EF-F5D484303767@elecraft.com>
	<HxEUdnGjFb0CVHxEVdiTeW@videotron.ca>
	<9B14D2A4E2D540DFBFD9E7E937948252@DESKTOPAV61F2H>
	<F180E881-618D-44F6-8785-42E9D0FBDCB7@elecraft.com>
	<0F7F75FB-BE1B-44C3-B078-094890AF01E9@yahoo.co.uk>
	<70956CA3-553D-4FF3-9139-9F0C78E194C8@elecraft.com>
	<RO1P152MB0907460BCF117AF516E3EDEF9CCB0@RO1P152MB0907.LAMP152.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
Message-ID: <3B17DD2D-7011-444F-BB61-ADF86B33948E@yahoo.co.uk>

Don't say that Bill, hi.

73 from David GM4JJJ

> On 6 Jun 2017, at 21:08, Bill Johnson <k9yeq at live.com> wrote:
> 
> For some of us, that might not be too far away.  :-)
> 
> 73,
> Bill
> K9YEQ
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Wayne Burdick
> Sent: Tuesday, June 6, 2017 9:44 AM
> To: David Anderson <gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk>
> Cc: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] 6 meters is open
> 
> Thanks for the info, David. 
> 
> Unfortunately I think a lot of 6-m ops will have to go SK before they give up using 50.125 MHz as a calling frequency :)
> 
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR
> 
> 
>> On Jun 6, 2017, at 5:52 AM, David Anderson <gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi folks,
>> 
>> Glad to see the interest in 6m, it is an amazing band when it opens even outside sunspot maximum.  Multihop Sporadic E can give DX right across the Atlantic and beyond.....
> 
> 
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From ctate at ewnetinc.com  Tue Jun  6 20:10:49 2017
From: ctate at ewnetinc.com (Chris Tate - N6WM)
Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2017 00:10:49 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] QRP and Camping/Back packing in the Bay Area
In-Reply-To: <a153d3ab-ea96-55e5-95fa-a3a765999b9f@kanafi.org>
References: <1813886295.3829120.1496780811633.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<1813886295.3829120.1496780811633@mail.yahoo.com>
	<236350B81BC09D42B8C3B41A97C654DD1D80C718@AUSP01DAG0504.collaborationhost.net>
	<a153d3ab-ea96-55e5-95fa-a3a765999b9f@kanafi.org>
Message-ID: <236350B81BC09D42B8C3B41A97C654DD1D80CEF7@AUSP01DAG0504.collaborationhost.net>

I have been to Juniper a couple of times.. HF qrp is pretty good from there..  there are trees with steep drop offs as well to experiment with various wire configs..

-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Phil Kane
Sent: Tuesday, June 6, 2017 2:56 PM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] QRP and Camping/Back packing in the Bay Area

On 6/6/2017 2:32 PM, Chris Tate - N6WM wrote:

> Ya no campfires.. but this is a good time for Juniper campground at Mt 
> Diablo..  get some elevation on that qrp signal..  SOTA W6/CC-045.
> you can drive right up to your camp area..

But be aware that Mt. Diablo is "RF city" with all the communication sites up there on both North Peak and South Peak.  (I used to maintain one.).  Not much HF if any but plenty of VHF, UHF, and microwave.

73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane
Elecraft K2/100   s/n 5402

>From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest
Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon
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From ron at cobi.biz  Tue Jun  6 21:19:27 2017
From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire)
Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2017 18:19:27 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] QRP and Camping/Back packing in the Bay Area
In-Reply-To: <a153d3ab-ea96-55e5-95fa-a3a765999b9f@kanafi.org>
References: <1813886295.3829120.1496780811633.ref@mail.yahoo.com>	<1813886295.3829120.1496780811633@mail.yahoo.com>	<236350B81BC09D42B8C3B41A97C654DD1D80C718@AUSP01DAG0504.collaborationhost.net>
	<a153d3ab-ea96-55e5-95fa-a3a765999b9f@kanafi.org>
Message-ID: <000c01d2df2c$1bd3dbf0$537b93d0$@biz>

Quite so. It's been a number of years since I drove up and down that
mountain several times a week servicing repeaters for General Communications
Engineering, but there were also a number of repeaters there in the old Land
Mobile frequency range of 30 to 50 MHz as well as the VHF and UHF repeaters.


Ron AC7AC 

-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net
[mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Phil Kane
Sent: Tuesday, June 6, 2017 2:56 PM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] QRP and Camping/Back packing in the Bay Area

On 6/6/2017 2:32 PM, Chris Tate - N6WM wrote:

> Ya no campfires.. but this is a good time for Juniper campground at Mt 
> Diablo..  get some elevation on that qrp signal..  SOTA W6/CC-045.
> you can drive right up to your camp area..

But be aware that Mt. Diablo is "RF city" with all the communication sites
up there on both North Peak and South Peak.  (I used to maintain one.).  Not
much HF if any but plenty of VHF, UHF, and microwave.

73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane
Elecraft K2/100   s/n 5402

>From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest
Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon
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From robert.forster at gmail.com  Tue Jun  6 21:47:41 2017
From: robert.forster at gmail.com (Robert Forster)
Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2017 19:47:41 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] [K2] No signal at TP1 during Alignment and Test Part 2
Message-ID: <CAHf6gZcBnvb448+JYw3PsZBGG4ANMSP==1bWaVPmH86L-=5=pQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hello to the group!

I'm afraid I need to lean on your collective K2 troubleshooting expertise.
After a long break I have finally made it to the Alignment and Test Part 2
of my build.  Everything was going OK until I got to the VCO Test.  I have
no signal at TP1.  I have tested this with the built in counter as well as
an external counter.  I have gone through some of the troubleshooting I
could find online:

The orientation of D13 and D8 look good

I have checked the soldering at relays K13, K14 and K15 and the value of
C72.

I have checked the varactors at D21 through D26 and they are oriented
properly I am nearly certain they are all the correct type

I tested RFC15 in the circuit and could not get any continuity through it.
When I pulled it out of the circuit it tested fine so I put it back in.
I'm sure this is something basic I just dont understand.

I know there is some more testing I can do with Q17 and Q18 (I did check
that they are the right type and orientation I also check all the component
values around Q18) Lets set that aside for just a second though...

Here is where I think it gets a little weird.  Looking at the schematic I
followed it back to U4.  When I compared the voltage table to what i was
actually seeing on U4 I think I may have found my problem.  According to
the table pin 7 should have 0 Volts but i'm showing 4.8!  It also shows
that pin 13 should have 4 volts but I'm showing 0.  All other pins are
normal and match the chart.

Following Pin 7 of U4 back to Pin 1 of U5 I see the same 4.8 volts.
This is supposed to be a clock line so I'm confused where this sort of
voltage would be comming from.

I'm still new to alot of this and this is by far the most complex kit I've
taken on so any and all help will be appreciated!

Thanks and 73,
Robert
AD0TA



-- 
===
I could tell you a UDP joke, but you might not get it.
===

From kh2tj at sbcglobal.net  Tue Jun  6 23:10:44 2017
From: kh2tj at sbcglobal.net (Todd)
Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2017 20:10:44 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] QRP and Camping/Back packing in the Bay Area
In-Reply-To: <a153d3ab-ea96-55e5-95fa-a3a765999b9f@kanafi.org>
References: <1813886295.3829120.1496780811633.ref@mail.yahoo.com>	<1813886295.3829120.1496780811633@mail.yahoo.com>	<236350B81BC09D42B8C3B41A97C654DD1D80C718@AUSP01DAG0504.collaborationhost.net>
	<a153d3ab-ea96-55e5-95fa-a3a765999b9f@kanafi.org>
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I've  done Diablo several times, usually right before Pacificon.  The 
one time I did North Peak,
it was worse RF wise than Diablo.  I also found that most times I'd be 
the only one up there
after dark, with the exception of the Park Ranger, and even he was 
scarce after dark  ;-)

Iffen I recall correctly, they close the entrance gate after 8pm and 
you'll have almost the
whole park to your self...

How about Angel Island?   That's a spot on my bucket list one of these 
days.  Black Mtn
comes to mind also.  SOTA peak and a hike in campground there as well, 
W6/NC-150:
http://www.openspace.org/sites/default/files/map_MB.pdf

Have fun and GL!

73, Todd KH2TJ






Phil Kane wrote:
> On 6/6/2017 2:32 PM, Chris Tate - N6WM wrote:
>
>    
>> Ya no campfires.. but this is a good time for Juniper campground at
>> Mt Diablo..  get some elevation on that qrp signal..  SOTA W6/CC-045.
>> you can drive right up to your camp area..
>>      
>
> But be aware that Mt. Diablo is "RF city" with all the communication
> sites up there on both North Peak and South Peak.  (I used to maintain
> one.).  Not much HF if any but plenty of VHF, UHF, and microwave.
>
> 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane
> Elecraft K2/100   s/n 5402
>
>
>    

From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Tue Jun  6 23:48:34 2017
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2017 20:48:34 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] 6 meters is open
In-Reply-To: <236350B81BC09D42B8C3B41A97C654DD1D80B9BC@AUSP01DAG0504.collaborationhost.net>
References: <923E03C9-5738-4BDB-A9EF-F5D484303767@elecraft.com>
	<HxEUdnGjFb0CVHxEVdiTeW@videotron.ca>
	<9B14D2A4E2D540DFBFD9E7E937948252@DESKTOPAV61F2H>
	<F180E881-618D-44F6-8785-42E9D0FBDCB7@elecraft.com>
	<0F7F75FB-BE1B-44C3-B078-094890AF01E9@yahoo.co.uk>
	<70956CA3-553D-4FF3-9139-9F0C78E194C8@elecraft.com>
	<236350B81BC09D42B8C3B41A97C654DD1D80B9BC@AUSP01DAG0504.collaborationhost.net>
Message-ID: <0d89a01c-e4ac-652d-96d3-77ff7875482e@audiosystemsgroup.com>

YES, YES, YES!

I work CW, SSB, JT65, JT9, and MSK144 on 6M.  To monitor that, I set the 
P3 for 50.083 to 50.283, scale of 24 dB, Ref level so that the waterfall 
is black except for signals, maximum averaging (20), about 75% of the 
display height for the waterfall. I generally set the main RX for 
JT65/JT9 and the second RX to 50.125 SSB.

Setup is K3, P3/SVGA, KPA500, 4-el Yagi at 125 ft (3-el SteppIR + fixed 
director).

And I keep this page on the computer.

http://www.dxmaps.com/spots/mapg.php?Lan=&Frec=50&ML=&Map=NA&HF=&DXC=ING2&GL=

73, Jim K9YC

On Tue,6/6/2017 9:24 AM, Chris Tate - N6WM wrote:
> I think what Wayne was actually saying (correct me if im wrong) is that people tend to forget and camp on 125, yesterday there were 3/4 stations having qso's simultaneously.  Find a run qrg up band, periodically dropping down and calling on 125.. the SSB calling frequency, and announce your up band run frequency, and use the A/B on your K3 to switch band and forth..  helps keep 125 free and clear for everyone to get a few in the log.



From Gunfighter26 at yahoo.com  Wed Jun  7 00:36:08 2017
From: Gunfighter26 at yahoo.com (Brad J. Butler)
Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2017 21:36:08 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 with 2m module for satellites
Message-ID: <000201d2df47$9776c0e0$c66442a0$@yahoo.com>

Good evening everyone!

 

Just wondering if anyone has experience working linear (or FM for that
matter) satellites with a KX3 and the 2M transverter installed?  I see it's
limited to 2.5-3W of output, and after reading the manuals, I believe it'll
work SSB for the linear satellites.  

 

My concern is whether or not 2.5-3W of power will be enough?  I regularly
work SO-50 with a 5W HT and Arrow satellite antenna, so I know 5W will get
the job done on FM.  Just not sure about 2.5-3W on SSB (I'll be using the
same Arrow hand-held antenna).

 

(I'd be using a KX3 as one of two radios in order to complete the QSO)

 

Thanks in advance for the help!

 

-Brad Butler

W6BJB/JS6TQS

 


From lmarion at mt.net  Wed Jun  7 00:54:35 2017
From: lmarion at mt.net (lmarion)
Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2017 22:54:35 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] 6 meters is open
In-Reply-To: <0d89a01c-e4ac-652d-96d3-77ff7875482e@audiosystemsgroup.com>
References: <923E03C9-5738-4BDB-A9EF-F5D484303767@elecraft.com><HxEUdnGjFb0CVHxEVdiTeW@videotron.ca><9B14D2A4E2D540DFBFD9E7E937948252@DESKTOPAV61F2H><F180E881-618D-44F6-8785-42E9D0FBDCB7@elecraft.com><0F7F75FB-BE1B-44C3-B078-094890AF01E9@yahoo.co.uk><70956CA3-553D-4FF3-9139-9F0C78E194C8@elecraft.com><236350B81BC09D42B8C3B41A97C654DD1D80B9BC@AUSP01DAG0504.collaborationhost.net>
	<0d89a01c-e4ac-652d-96d3-77ff7875482e@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Message-ID: <717524DD9CAC4AEFB459EC3485FBAD6E@LeroyPC>

Back some time when PSK31 first hit the scene, I was working the world with 
a 5 watt PSK31 Small Wonders QRP box.
Six meters opened, up, and I got on with PSK31. The DX clusters and such had 
a freakin cow. People called me names and
others begged me not to get on with PSK31.  I relented to keep the peace.

How times have changed.

73 Leroy AB7CE

-----Original Message----- 
From: Jim Brown
Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2017 9:48 PM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] 6 meters is open

YES, YES, YES!

I work CW, SSB, JT65, JT9, and MSK144 on 6M.  To monitor that, I set the
P3 for 50.083 to 50.283, scale of 24 dB, Ref level so that the waterfall
is black except for signals, maximum averaging (20), about 75% of the
display height for the waterfall. I generally set the main RX for
JT65/JT9 and the second RX to 50.125 SSB.

Setup is K3, P3/SVGA, KPA500, 4-el Yagi at 125 ft (3-el SteppIR + fixed
director).

And I keep this page on the computer.

http://www.dxmaps.com/spots/mapg.php?Lan=&Frec=50&ML=&Map=NA&HF=&DXC=ING2&GL=

73, Jim K9YC

On Tue,6/6/2017 9:24 AM, Chris Tate - N6WM wrote:
> I think what Wayne was actually saying (correct me if im wrong) is that 
> people tend to forget and camp on 125, yesterday there were 3/4 stations 
> having qso's simultaneously.  Find a run qrg up band, periodically 
> dropping down and calling on 125.. the SSB calling frequency, and announce 
> your up band run frequency, and use the A/B on your K3 to switch band and 
> forth..  helps keep 125 free and clear for everyone to get a few in the 
> log.


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From rv6amark at yahoo.com  Wed Jun  7 02:07:21 2017
From: rv6amark at yahoo.com (Mark)
Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2017 23:07:21 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Restoring KX2 SWR and power scales
Message-ID: <570497.42316.bm@smtp203.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

Re: ?"In SSB mode, the display no longer shows the SWR and power output scales. ?It remains "stuck" on the CMP..."

Jon,

I don't have a KX2, but my KX3 behaves this way when CW in SSB is enabled. ?On the KX3, you toggle it on/off in the CW WGHT menu by tapping the 1 key.

I hope that helps.

Mark,
KE6BB


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From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Wed Jun  7 08:33:51 2017
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2017 08:33:51 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] [K2] No signal at TP1 during Alignment and Test Part
	2
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Robert,

Do you have a good signal at TP3?  If so, ignore the PLL Reference 
oscillator and U4 for now.

You need to get the VFO operating before doing anything else.
Do the DC measurements a Q18.  If you do not have a negative voltage at 
the gate, it is not oscillating.

T5 is the most likely problem with the VFO.  Make certain it is wound 
correctly and the leads are well stripped and tinned.  If you see a ring 
around the lead (on the solder side), that lead was not adequately 
stripped and tinned.  Both windings must be wound in the same direction.

If all the above is correct, put a temporary jumper across C60 to 
disable the VFO ALC circuit.  If it oscillates with the jumper in place, 
but not without it, replace Q17.  If that still does not correct it, try 
replacing Q16.  Be certain D11 is oriented correctly.

Ignore the voltages on U4 pins 5, 6, and 7 - those are digital signals, 
and the manual lists the voltage for the active signal, not what you 
would typically measure with a DMM.  If you look at them with a 'scope 
you can see pulses on those lines, and that should be sufficient for 
proper operation.

RFC 15 also needs to be ignored until after you get the VFO operating. 
Once you get a VFO signal at TP1, then you can investigate the operation 
of U4.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 6/6/2017 9:47 PM, Robert Forster wrote:
> Hello to the group!
> 
> I'm afraid I need to lean on your collective K2 troubleshooting expertise.
> After a long break I have finally made it to the Alignment and Test Part 2
> of my build.  Everything was going OK until I got to the VCO Test.  I have
> no signal at TP1.  I have tested this with the built in counter as well as
> an external counter.  I have gone through some of the troubleshooting I
> could find online:
> 
> The orientation of D13 and D8 look good
> 
> I have checked the soldering at relays K13, K14 and K15 and the value of
> C72.
> 
> I have checked the varactors at D21 through D26 and they are oriented
> properly I am nearly certain they are all the correct type
> 
> I tested RFC15 in the circuit and could not get any continuity through it.
> When I pulled it out of the circuit it tested fine so I put it back in.
> I'm sure this is something basic I just dont understand.
> 
> I know there is some more testing I can do with Q17 and Q18 (I did check
> that they are the right type and orientation I also check all the component
> values around Q18) Lets set that aside for just a second though...
> 
> Here is where I think it gets a little weird.  Looking at the schematic I
> followed it back to U4.  When I compared the voltage table to what i was
> actually seeing on U4 I think I may have found my problem.  According to
> the table pin 7 should have 0 Volts but i'm showing 4.8!  It also shows
> that pin 13 should have 4 volts but I'm showing 0.  All other pins are
> normal and match the chart.
> 
> Following Pin 7 of U4 back to Pin 1 of U5 I see the same 4.8 volts.
> This is supposed to be a clock line so I'm confused where this sort of
> voltage would be comming from.
> 
> I'm still new to alot of this and this is by far the most complex kit I've
> taken on so any and all help will be appreciated!
> 
> Thanks and 73,
> Robert
> AD0TA
> 
> 
> 

From k5aj at gmx.com  Wed Jun  7 10:08:10 2017
From: k5aj at gmx.com (k5aj at gmx.com)
Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2017 09:08:10 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Can KPA500 Operate Remotely?
Message-ID: <593808CA.8000304@gmx.com>

Hi,  Can a KPA500 be operated remotely, for example, in a different room 
from the operator?
Specifically would such remote operations be possible via USB cable or 
additional hardware,
or even via IP using additional hardware on the amplifier side.
The need is to be able to switch remotely between standby and oper.  
Ultimately this might
allow both a flex radio and KPA500 to be separated from the operator.
Thanks very much,
Jack

From va3mw at portcredit.net  Wed Jun  7 11:35:23 2017
From: va3mw at portcredit.net (Mike va3mw)
Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2017 11:35:23 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Can KPA500 Operate Remotely?
In-Reply-To: <593808CA.8000304@gmx.com>
References: <593808CA.8000304@gmx.com>
Message-ID: <216676CA-8832-4A5B-9294-6DE9B639777C@portcredit.net>

Yes

Many options 

You can use an rs232 cable connected to a rs232/USB adapter on your desk computer. 

You can do IP, but you'll need a computer at the amp end and the operator end and use a LAN in between. 

You can also do serial over ip to your computer at the operator end with a rpi running ser2net or a serial over ip interface box. 

I control mine from a hundred miles away. 

Mike va3mw

> On Jun 7, 2017, at 10:08 AM, "k5aj at gmx.com" <k5aj at gmx.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi,  Can a KPA500 be operated remotely, for example, in a different room from the operator?
> Specifically would such remote operations be possible via USB cable or additional hardware,
> or even via IP using additional hardware on the amplifier side.
> The need is to be able to switch remotely between standby and oper.  Ultimately this might
> allow both a flex radio and KPA500 to be separated from the operator.
> Thanks very much,
> Jack
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From va3mw at portcredit.net  Wed Jun  7 11:35:23 2017
From: va3mw at portcredit.net (Mike va3mw)
Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2017 11:35:23 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Can KPA500 Operate Remotely?
In-Reply-To: <593808CA.8000304@gmx.com>
References: <593808CA.8000304@gmx.com>
Message-ID: <216676CA-8832-4A5B-9294-6DE9B639777C@portcredit.net>

Yes

Many options 

You can use an rs232 cable connected to a rs232/USB adapter on your desk computer. 

You can do IP, but you'll need a computer at the amp end and the operator end and use a LAN in between. 

You can also do serial over ip to your computer at the operator end with a rpi running ser2net or a serial over ip interface box. 

I control mine from a hundred miles away. 

Mike va3mw

> On Jun 7, 2017, at 10:08 AM, "k5aj at gmx.com" <k5aj at gmx.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi,  Can a KPA500 be operated remotely, for example, in a different room from the operator?
> Specifically would such remote operations be possible via USB cable or additional hardware,
> or even via IP using additional hardware on the amplifier side.
> The need is to be able to switch remotely between standby and oper.  Ultimately this might
> allow both a flex radio and KPA500 to be separated from the operator.
> Thanks very much,
> Jack
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From jim at jtmiller.com  Wed Jun  7 11:36:45 2017
From: jim at jtmiller.com (Jim Miller)
Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2017 11:36:45 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Power on via Aux connector?
Message-ID: <CACYeN9xmks2STPY0AtsO_2rA5DNVh=J_QEn85yX7Z+OPOpe76A@mail.gmail.com>

Some experiments with Pin 8 (POWER ON) show that if it is asserted
(grounded per the Owner's Manual) it turns the K3 on just fine as expected.

However if it is negated the K3 remains on.

The Owner's Manual says it should remain asserted (grounded) until a PS0
command is sent before negating.

Has the behavior of Pin 8 been modified in the firmware to make a momentary
assertion sufficient?

BTW, once turned on via Pin 8, and even though Pin 8 remains asserted, a
front panel turn off via the Power button works to shut down the K3. That
reinforces the notion the Pin 8 is really activating the K3 via the leading
edge of the assertion only rather than the level of Pin 8.

Clarification?

73

jim ab3cv

From wa6nhc at gmail.com  Wed Jun  7 13:09:15 2017
From: wa6nhc at gmail.com (Rick WA6NHC)
Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2017 10:09:15 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Power on via Aux connector?
In-Reply-To: <CACYeN9xmks2STPY0AtsO_2rA5DNVh=J_QEn85yX7Z+OPOpe76A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACYeN9xmks2STPY0AtsO_2rA5DNVh=J_QEn85yX7Z+OPOpe76A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f2c8b76d-0a58-5da8-9643-cf77449d31c6@gmail.com>

Momentary assertion is preferred.  While leaving it asserted (grounded) 
won't cause any particular issue, it won't allow the K3 to shut down 
(haven't tested this entirely).

I use a USB controlled relay, assertion about 100ms to power on the K3, 
remotely.

Rick wa6nhc/7


On 6/7/2017 8:36 AM, Jim Miller wrote:
> Some experiments with Pin 8 (POWER ON) show that if it is asserted
> (grounded per the Owner's Manual) it turns the K3 on just fine as expected.
>
> However if it is negated the K3 remains on.
>
> The Owner's Manual says it should remain asserted (grounded) until a PS0
> command is sent before negating.
>
> Has the behavior of Pin 8 been modified in the firmware to make a momentary
> assertion sufficient?
>
> BTW, once turned on via Pin 8, and even though Pin 8 remains asserted, a
> front panel turn off via the Power button works to shut down the K3. That
> reinforces the notion the Pin 8 is really activating the K3 via the leading
> edge of the assertion only rather than the level of Pin 8.
>
> Clarification?
>
> 73
>
> jim ab3cv
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From matt4yulia at gmail.com  Wed Jun  7 13:29:34 2017
From: matt4yulia at gmail.com (Matthew MacRoberts)
Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2017 13:29:34 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3/P3 external power source
Message-ID: <8AFD4947-DE8C-4851-B02C-747DC4FF7E8A@gmail.com>

I need to work up a reliable external power source for my KX3 and P3. I also have RC aircraft and cars? So a LiPo or LiFe battery is an easy solution for me. 

The battery would offer substantial weight savings and I already have the chargers and other equipment necessary to build the connections.

Is there anything that I need to be aware of? Would a 4S 14.8V 5200mAh 50C be workable?

What other advice would you have?


From mzilmer at roadrunner.com  Wed Jun  7 14:19:10 2017
From: mzilmer at roadrunner.com (Matt Zilmer)
Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2017 11:19:10 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3/P3 external power source
In-Reply-To: <8AFD4947-DE8C-4851-B02C-747DC4FF7E8A@gmail.com>
References: <8AFD4947-DE8C-4851-B02C-747DC4FF7E8A@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7969ccc4-fbfb-7c3f-a58a-88d63efe32ad@roadrunner.com>

FWIW, I'm using a Turnigy 7.2AN, 4S LiPo for the KX3 and KX2.  Works 
fine, though at full charge it's a little high on the voltage.

73,

matt W6NIA


On 6/7/2017 10:29 AM, Matthew MacRoberts wrote:
> I need to work up a reliable external power source for my KX3 and P3. I also have RC aircraft and cars? So a LiPo or LiFe battery is an easy solution for me.
>
> The battery would offer substantial weight savings and I already have the chargers and other equipment necessary to build the connections.
>
> Is there anything that I need to be aware of? Would a 4S 14.8V 5200mAh 50C be workable?
>
> What other advice would you have?
>
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From bob at hogbytes.com  Wed Jun  7 14:23:15 2017
From: bob at hogbytes.com (Bob N3MNT)
Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2017 11:23:15 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3/P3 external power source
In-Reply-To: <8AFD4947-DE8C-4851-B02C-747DC4FF7E8A@gmail.com>
References: <8AFD4947-DE8C-4851-B02C-747DC4FF7E8A@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1496859795248-7631475.post@n2.nabble.com>

Most people use the 4S LiFe vs LiPo as the fully charged voltage is closer to
the KX3 requirements.  A quick search for LiFe will show many discussions.
As you use these for your RC stuff, you know the requirements and cautions
so you should be good to go.



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From ad7gr at edliko.net  Wed Jun  7 14:14:45 2017
From: ad7gr at edliko.net (Ed - ad7gr)
Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2017 11:14:45 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 - No Menu
Message-ID: <b5f3d9cd-5f25-77ba-6ae5-ebb161f0d601@edliko.net>

When I tap the [MENU] button on my K2 nothing happens, the menu is not 
accessed and the display continues to show the frequency.   All other 
buttons work correctly.   Tapping [MENU] brought up the menu this 
morning but not now.   Just before this issue I had pressed [TUNE] 
thinking that I still had the ATU enabled, but it was not and I had to 
turn the rig off to get the k2 to return to RX.
Has anyone had this happen?   Any solutions?   Any ideas?
73,
Ed - ad7gr


From matt4yulia at gmail.com  Wed Jun  7 14:34:21 2017
From: matt4yulia at gmail.com (Matthew MacRoberts)
Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2017 14:34:21 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3/P3 external power source
In-Reply-To: <1496859795248-7631475.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <8AFD4947-DE8C-4851-B02C-747DC4FF7E8A@gmail.com>
	<1496859795248-7631475.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <3791702A-2ED1-4623-82B0-1751E219E084@gmail.com>

Are there any internal resistance or c-ratings that I should be aware of? (Like there are on RC vehicles)

Are Ham?s using any kind of low voltage cutoff with their batteries?

Internal Resistance and C-Rating


> On Jun 7, 2017, at 2:23 PM, Bob N3MNT <bob at hogbytes.com> wrote:
> 
> Most people use the 4S LiFe vs LiPo as the fully charged voltage is closer to
> the KX3 requirements.  A quick search for LiFe will show many discussions.
> As you use these for your RC stuff, you know the requirements and cautions
> so you should be good to go.
> 
> 
> 
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From bob at hogbytes.com  Wed Jun  7 14:40:42 2017
From: bob at hogbytes.com (Bob N3MNT)
Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2017 11:40:42 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3/P3 external power source
In-Reply-To: <3791702A-2ED1-4623-82B0-1751E219E084@gmail.com>
References: <8AFD4947-DE8C-4851-B02C-747DC4FF7E8A@gmail.com>
	<1496859795248-7631475.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<3791702A-2ED1-4623-82B0-1751E219E084@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1496860842461-7631478.post@n2.nabble.com>

I don't think you have to worry about "C-rating" running a KX3.  You are not
drawing 20-80A, but  more like 2-3A.  As for low voltage cut off, you can
set that in radio or use an external power /voltage meter to monitor it.  



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From a45wg at sy-edm.com  Wed Jun  7 14:56:16 2017
From: a45wg at sy-edm.com (a45wg)
Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2017 22:56:16 +0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd:  Can KPA500 Operate Remotely?
References: <216676CA-8832-4A5B-9294-6DE9B639777C@portcredit.net>
Message-ID: <671D2F5F-C780-45E4-A170-61412F41B330@sy-edm.com>

Jacl,
	I have just knocked up a web based KPA Control program.

	I need about another 5-7 days to document and to test, and then I can post how too.

You would need 

	a)	Remote Shack
	b)	KPA 500 in remote shack
	c)	Network connection with a public IP Address to remote shack
	d)	Small PC/Raspberry/Laptop etc
	e)	Python 3 Ecosystem
	

I already do this for my rotator, so using an iPad standing on the roof I can control my antenna, which has saved countless trips up and down the stairs. Same principle for the KPA. 

I have the full Elecraft command set for the KPA 500 available as a web page.

If you are interested please drop me a PM? and I will link you to my web-page which details how this can be accomplished.

Regards

	Tim, A45WG


> Begin forwarded message:
> 
> From: Mike va3mw <va3mw at portcredit.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Can KPA500 Operate Remotely?
> Date: June 7, 2017 at 7:35:23 PM GMT+4
> To: "k5aj at gmx.com" <k5aj at gmx.com>, "Charles R. Tropp via Elecraft" <Elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> 
> Yes
> 
> Many options 
> 
> You can use an rs232 cable connected to a rs232/USB adapter on your desk computer. 
> 
> You can do IP, but you'll need a computer at the amp end and the operator end and use a LAN in between. 
> 
> You can also do serial over ip to your computer at the operator end with a rpi running ser2net or a serial over ip interface box. 
> 
> I control mine from a hundred miles away. 
> 
> Mike va3mw
> 
>> On Jun 7, 2017, at 10:08 AM, "k5aj at gmx.com <mailto:k5aj at gmx.com>" <k5aj at gmx.com <mailto:k5aj at gmx.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,  Can a KPA500 be operated remotely, for example, in a different room from the operator?
>> Specifically would such remote operations be possible via USB cable or additional hardware,
>> or even via IP using additional hardware on the amplifier side.
>> The need is to be able to switch remotely between standby and oper.  Ultimately this might
>> allow both a flex radio and KPA500 to be separated from the operator.
>> Thanks very much,
>> Jack
>> ______________________________________________________________
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From ghyoungman at gmail.com  Wed Jun  7 15:11:17 2017
From: ghyoungman at gmail.com (GRANT YOUNGMAN)
Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2017 15:11:17 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3/P3 external power source
In-Reply-To: <1496860842461-7631478.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <8AFD4947-DE8C-4851-B02C-747DC4FF7E8A@gmail.com>
	<1496859795248-7631475.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<3791702A-2ED1-4623-82B0-1751E219E084@gmail.com>
	<1496860842461-7631478.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <6F472E7E-0D5A-4E63-900C-C478BB63587F@gmail.com>

I think a low voltage cutoff (or at least an alarm) with LiFe is a good idea, especially if you have other devices besides the radio directly connected to the battery, like a KX3, other 12v or USB-powered thingies, etc..  I currently use a Buddipole PowerMini which is a compact battery monitor, low voltage alarm/cutoff, and solar charge controller all in one.  There are other options out there, of course.


> On Jun 7, 2017, at 2:40 PM, Bob N3MNT <bob at hogbytes.com> wrote:
> 
> I don't think you have to worry about "C-rating" running a KX3.  You are not
> drawing 20-80A, but  more like 2-3A.  As for low voltage cut off, you can
> set that in radio or use an external power /voltage meter to monitor it.  
> 

Grant NQ5T
K3 #2091, KX3 #8342




From ad7gr at edliko.net  Wed Jun  7 16:37:57 2017
From: ad7gr at edliko.net (Ed - ad7gr)
Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2017 13:37:57 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 - No Menu - SOLVED -
In-Reply-To: <b5f3d9cd-5f25-77ba-6ae5-ebb161f0d601@edliko.net>
References: <b5f3d9cd-5f25-77ba-6ae5-ebb161f0d601@edliko.net>
Message-ID: <5eeb6e23-7a0b-e29c-5698-c59865569322@edliko.net>

Solved...
When I unplugged my straight key I was able to access the [MENU] again. 
   The key had a 'mono' cable and plug attached and when I traded that 
out for a 'stereo' cord and plug the K2 operates as it should.   It 
appears that the 'mono' cable and plug was the cause of the issue.
73,
Ed - ad7gr
skcc #30
fists #12244

On 6/7/2017 11:14 AM, Ed - ad7gr wrote:
> When I tap the [MENU] button on my K2 nothing happens, the menu is not 
> accessed and the display continues to show the frequency.   All other 
> buttons work correctly.   Tapping [MENU] brought up the menu this 
> morning but not now.   Just before this issue I had pressed [TUNE] 
> thinking that I still had the ATU enabled, but it was not and I had to 
> turn the rig off to get the k2 to return to RX.
> Has anyone had this happen?   Any solutions?   Any ideas?
> 73,
> Ed - ad7gr


From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Wed Jun  7 17:26:02 2017
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2017 17:26:02 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 - No Menu
In-Reply-To: <b5f3d9cd-5f25-77ba-6ae5-ebb161f0d601@edliko.net>
References: <b5f3d9cd-5f25-77ba-6ae5-ebb161f0d601@edliko.net>
Message-ID: <167b5325-43ae-88ab-89c1-fa5c0a7e9a31@embarqmail.com>

Ed,

Is this an older K2, or has it not been used in some time?  If so, it is 
probably the pushbutton.
The MENU button normally does not get a lot of use, so it is one of the 
ones that show a problem.
It can often be restored by tapping the button many many times, although 
replacing the pushbutton may be quicker and easier.  The wiping action 
of the switch contacts will remove any oxidation that has formed.

If you do replace the pushbutton, you will find the leads are difficult 
to unsolder - I even have trouble removing them intact with my Hakko 
808.  Cut the leads close to the switch body with small flush cutters 
and remove the remaining leads one at a time.
Clean up with solder wick and if solder remains in the hole, push it out 
with a wooden toothpick.
If you saved the "Switch Spacing Tool" from your K2 build use it to 
space the switch body above the board.  You can substitute a narrow 
length of PC board material.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 6/7/2017 2:14 PM, Ed - ad7gr wrote:
> When I tap the [MENU] button on my K2 nothing happens, the menu is not 
> accessed and the display continues to show the frequency.   All other 
> buttons work correctly.   Tapping [MENU] brought up the menu this 
> morning but not now.   Just before this issue I had pressed [TUNE] 
> thinking that I still had the ATU enabled, but it was not and I had to 
> turn the rig off to get the k2 to return to RX.

From bbaines at mac.com  Wed Jun  7 17:28:12 2017
From: bbaines at mac.com (Barry Baines)
Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2017 17:28:12 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Can KPA500 Operate Remotely?
In-Reply-To: <593808CA.8000304@gmx.com>
References: <593808CA.8000304@gmx.com>
Message-ID: <A80B3BEF-7E38-4059-98A7-E5068926FD0E@mac.com>

Jack:

One potential solution is to use the Remote Rig RC-1216H to control the KPA500 via a web page.  See:

http://www.remoterig.com/wp/?page_id=1010#tabs-3 <http://www.remoterig.com/wp/?page_id=1010#tabs-3>


These are available through Ham Radio Outlet in the US. I?m using two of the devices to remotely control my KPA-500 as well as my Orion rotor through a Green Heron RT-21 controller where the ham shack is in Georgia and I?m in MA or TX.

The key advantages are:

-Web-based, so any device (iPhone, iPad, Mac, Windows PC, etc.) can be used to control them from wherever I am.
-Display is a rendition of the KPA-500 front panel, providing complete control as if you?re sitting in front of the amplifier.
-No need for a PC, Arduino or Raspberry Pi to be running 24/7 at the shack, improving remote reliability as these devices may require an occasional reboot
-Easy to configure 
-Can be managed by the router for static addressing and UDP Port for port forwarding (essential for remote access)
-Highly reliable? I?ve never lost a connection due to a RC-1216H ?hiccup? in the past 18 months.  

As these are Ethernet devices, you can run a Ethernet Cat5 connection directly to area of the amplifier and plug in the RC-1216H, or put in a Wireless Access Point at the amplifier location and plug the RC-1216H to connect to your Local Area Network (LAN) through WiFi.  This approach eliminates the need for control wiring between your operating position and the amplifier, but it does introduce a potential failure point if the WiFi goes down. 

This is not necessarily an inexpensive solution, but I?ve found this this approach to be highly reliable and works well with low speed DSL access (e.g.  768 Kilobaud upload/6 MB download service) from a rural ISP that services my ham site.  


FWIW,

Barry Baines, WD4ASW
(Currently in West Roxbury, MA)




> On Jun 7, 2017, at 10:08 AM, k5aj at gmx.com wrote:
> 
> Hi,  Can a KPA500 be operated remotely, for example, in a different room from the operator?
> Specifically would such remote operations be possible via USB cable or additional hardware,
> or even via IP using additional hardware on the amplifier side.
> The need is to be able to switch remotely between standby and oper.  Ultimately this might
> allow both a flex radio and KPA500 to be separated from the operator.
> Thanks very much,
> Jack
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From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Wed Jun  7 17:29:36 2017
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2017 17:29:36 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 - No Menu - SOLVED -
In-Reply-To: <5eeb6e23-7a0b-e29c-5698-c59865569322@edliko.net>
References: <b5f3d9cd-5f25-77ba-6ae5-ebb161f0d601@edliko.net>
	<5eeb6e23-7a0b-e29c-5698-c59865569322@edliko.net>
Message-ID: <9c0c028a-0464-abf4-ff35-03187f97edf3@embarqmail.com>

Ed,

OK, you can ignore my prior post.
Yes, a mono plug will put the K2 into transmit.  It does not allow many 
buttons to work when in transmit.  I hope you had a load connected to it!

73,
Don W3FPR

On 6/7/2017 4:37 PM, Ed - ad7gr wrote:
> Solved...
> When I unplugged my straight key I was able to access the [MENU] again. 
>    The key had a 'mono' cable and plug attached and when I traded that 
> out for a 'stereo' cord and plug the K2 operates as it should.   It 
> appears that the 'mono' cable and plug was the cause of the issue.

From k6dgw at foothill.net  Wed Jun  7 18:33:55 2017
From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen)
Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2017 15:33:55 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3/P3 external power source
In-Reply-To: <8AFD4947-DE8C-4851-B02C-747DC4FF7E8A@gmail.com>
References: <8AFD4947-DE8C-4851-B02C-747DC4FF7E8A@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2e335bd2-03ef-f324-391f-ca526241393a@foothill.net>

LiPoly or LiFePO4 are both good, the LiFe seems to be a somewhat more 
stable and forgiving chemistry.  I use a4S1P LiFePO4 with my K2.  It has 
a very flat discharge curveuntil the end and then it drops rapidly, the 
K2 shuts down and the battery is protected from complete discharge.  I 
can get about 93% of the energy before the K2 shuts down.  You really 
want a cell balancing charger, but it sounds like you may already have one.

LiPoly's are lighter of course, but I had one catch fire while I was on 
my KX1 so I'm a bit wary of them.  The LiFe is not that much heavier.

Beware of "hot deals" on Li batteries. I bought an allegedly 9 Ah Li-ion 
batterywhich came from you know where.  It had a linear discharge curve 
with a slope of about 1 and the K2 shut down after I'd used around 1.4 
Ah of the stored energy. All the rest was inaccessible by my K2.

73,

Fred ("Skip") K6DGW
Sparks NV USA
Washoe County DM09dn

On 6/7/2017 10:29 AM, Matthew MacRoberts wrote:
> I need to work up a reliable external power source for my KX3 and P3. I also have RC aircraft and cars? So a LiPo or LiFe battery is an easy solution for me.
>
> The battery would offer substantial weight savings and I already have the chargers and other equipment necessary to build the connections.
>
> Is there anything that I need to be aware of? Would a 4S 14.8V 5200mAh 50C be workable?
>
> What other advice would you have?
>


From g0ukb at ivarc.org.uk  Thu Jun  8 03:27:37 2017
From: g0ukb at ivarc.org.uk (Brian Jones)
Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2017 08:27:37 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] CBLP3Y DIY?
Message-ID: <CADKQKXbFp-Q6yUNA07HTgRDWGvzf0fUCbNC9-Ko62fVLgWhJ7g@mail.gmail.com>

Here in the UK a CBLP3Y is $50. Somehow the $50 mark seems a bit excessive
for just a cable if it really is just two D9 connectors and an RJ45 and no
electronics.

I have a K3S and P3 with an E980297 cable so have no connectivity problem
but would prefer to connect the K3S to the computer via USB (if nothing
else to simplify audio to the computer).

Is the CBLP3Y just a dumb cable? If so why could I not wire a simple DB9 to
2 DB9 adapter which would convert my E980297 to a CBLP3Y?

Anyone done this? Or built their own CBLP3Y from RJ45+2D9s?

Brian G0UKB

From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Thu Jun  8 07:35:45 2017
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2017 07:35:45 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] CBLP3Y DIY?
In-Reply-To: <CADKQKXbFp-Q6yUNA07HTgRDWGvzf0fUCbNC9-Ko62fVLgWhJ7g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADKQKXbFp-Q6yUNA07HTgRDWGvzf0fUCbNC9-Ko62fVLgWhJ7g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <633273c8-7802-d8ad-cef5-a2fe5f43cdd2@embarqmail.com>

Brian,

Yes, the CBLP3Y is "just a dumb cable" - but the RJ-45 jack provides 
both RS-232 in and RS-232 out of the K3S.

E980297 cable is a straight RJ-45 to DB-9 cable and I do not believe it 
has both the RS-232 in and out paths.

I do not have schematics for the cables available.  You may want to 
contact K3support to see if they have the information required to 
construct your own cable.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 6/8/2017 3:27 AM, Brian Jones wrote:
> Here in the UK a CBLP3Y is $50. Somehow the $50 mark seems a bit excessive
> for just a cable if it really is just two D9 connectors and an RJ45 and no
> electronics.
> 
> I have a K3S and P3 with an E980297 cable so have no connectivity problem
> but would prefer to connect the K3S to the computer via USB (if nothing
> else to simplify audio to the computer).
> 
> Is the CBLP3Y just a dumb cable? If so why could I not wire a simple DB9 to
> 2 DB9 adapter which would convert my E980297 to a CBLP3Y?
> 
> Anyone done this? Or built their own CBLP3Y from RJ45+2D9s?

From bob at hogbytes.com  Thu Jun  8 09:01:22 2017
From: bob at hogbytes.com (Bob N3MNT)
Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2017 06:01:22 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3/P3 external power source
In-Reply-To: <2e335bd2-03ef-f324-391f-ca526241393a@foothill.net>
References: <8AFD4947-DE8C-4851-B02C-747DC4FF7E8A@gmail.com>
	<2e335bd2-03ef-f324-391f-ca526241393a@foothill.net>
Message-ID: <1496926882197-7631488.post@n2.nabble.com>

I do not recommend drawing either LiPo or LiFe batteries below about 35%-40%
as it will shorten the life of the battery.




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From wa7ndd at digis.net  Thu Jun  8 10:10:28 2017
From: wa7ndd at digis.net (James Griffith)
Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2017 08:10:28 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] After seeing Mt. Diablo had to say something about it.
Message-ID: <ce1c70c1-a555-5453-30bd-4cffe515b7b7@digis.net>

I've been to Mt. Diablo many, many times repairing two-way radio for RCA 
service company.
Had keys to the building and gate down to it. Climbed the tower when the 
950 Mhz dishes
fell off it. Managed to run over several fat rattle snakes sunning on 
the road. Loved those peak
days of two-way radio some weighing 70 pounds in the early 60's.
Also fished around Angle Island when military sill owned it and practice 
beach landings on it.
Was chased away from Alcatraz by bullhorn when we'd get to close 
fishing. Great fun times
for teenagers on the bay. Liked it so much that one of my Amazon Kindle 
books
'Death Rides the Sacramento' came from those youthful days, and great 
band openings during
the high sunspot cycle. SSB was just starting to take over AM. I know 
this is off the reflectors
subject, been a ham since 1960, first license in the bay area. San 
Leandro, WA6JOS.
Loved the WWII surplus houses along /Doolittle Drive. /Building  a 
remote controlled magnetic
loop  at the moment for my KX3.
Had to say something when I saw Mt. Diablo mentioned. I installed many 
new two-way radio
systems in all the bay area TV Stations, and major business like Eimac 
in mid 1960's great times.
Jim Griffith, WA7NDD

From romeadows1 at outlook.com  Thu Jun  8 10:25:31 2017
From: romeadows1 at outlook.com (Roger Meadows)
Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2017 14:25:31 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3/P3 external power source
In-Reply-To: <1496926882197-7631488.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <8AFD4947-DE8C-4851-B02C-747DC4FF7E8A@gmail.com>
	<2e335bd2-03ef-f324-391f-ca526241393a@foothill.net>,
	<1496926882197-7631488.post@n2.nabble.com>
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What would you recommend setting the shutoff voltage of a KX3 when using a LiFePo4 battery?

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Sent: Thursday, June 8, 2017 09:02
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net<mailto:elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3/P3 external power source

I do not recommend drawing either LiPo or LiFe batteries below about 35%-40%
as it will shorten the life of the battery.




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From wunder at wunderwood.org  Thu Jun  8 10:45:39 2017
From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood)
Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2017 07:45:39 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3/P3 external power source
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	<2e335bd2-03ef-f324-391f-ca526241393a@foothill.net>
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The KX3 specifications say 8 V min, 15 V max.

The most recent firmware update supports 10 W output down to 10 V.

wunder
K6WRU
Walter Underwood
CM87wj
http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog)

> On Jun 8, 2017, at 7:25 AM, Roger Meadows <romeadows1 at outlook.com> wrote:
> 
> What would you recommend setting the shutoff voltage of a KX3 when using a LiFePo4 battery?
> 
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> Sent: Thursday, June 8, 2017 09:02
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net<mailto:elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX3/P3 external power source
> 
> I do not recommend drawing either LiPo or LiFe batteries below about 35%-40%
> as it will shorten the life of the battery.
> 
> 
> 
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From k7voradio at gmail.com  Thu Jun  8 11:01:18 2017
From: k7voradio at gmail.com (Robert Sands)
Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2017 08:01:18 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 set up for RemoteShack for sale (RBC-212
Message-ID: <593966c0.5c37630a.99025.d6ff@mx.google.com>

I have a RemoteShack setup ( including cables for K3) that works great but I don?t use it. I also have the remoteshack phone activated 120 volt 15amp controller (Power Switch Tail II) to remote activate the KPA500. Both units and cables for $450 plus shipping. Paid $700 for both plus connectors. Can be used via phone line or internet via Skype.
Bob
K7VO

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From n7tb at comcast.net  Thu Jun  8 12:47:57 2017
From: n7tb at comcast.net (Terry Brown)
Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2017 16:47:57 -0000
Subject: [Elecraft] BL2 Balun Question
Message-ID: <006301d2e076$fbc5e960$f351bc20$@comcast.net>

I have the BL2 Balun and use it for balanced lines to Coax.  Occasionally,
when I am using a wire and counterpoise to the BNC binding posts, I try to
match a shorter wire for 80 meters than what I really should due to lack of
space in RV sites.  I believe I am connecting the Balun correctly; hooking
the long wire to A and the counterpoise to B on the Balun inputs.  I can get
a shorter wire to tune that way.

 

My question is:  what is the purpose of the GND connection on the Balun?
Does it need to be grounded when in use?  Looking at the circuit diagram in
the manual, I don't think the counterpoise should be attached to the ground
connection?

 

I'd be interested in how others hook up their BL2 Baluns.

 

Thanks and 73's,

 

Terry de N7TB


From k6dgw at foothill.net  Thu Jun  8 13:28:33 2017
From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen)
Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2017 10:28:33 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3/P3 external power source
In-Reply-To: <3791702A-2ED1-4623-82B0-1751E219E084@gmail.com>
References: <8AFD4947-DE8C-4851-B02C-747DC4FF7E8A@gmail.com>
	<1496859795248-7631475.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<3791702A-2ED1-4623-82B0-1751E219E084@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <03440a55-f23b-af26-6f9a-e51f8766c4b6@foothill.net>

Not sure I understand your question Matthew. Lithiumbatteries [all 
chemistries] have exceedingly low internal resistanceand consequently, 
will deliver a huge current if shorted.  Power leads should be fused.  
The flat, automotive blade-type fuses seem to work best... large, low 
resistance contact area.

The voltage vs time function during discharge is probably the primary 
concern for ham QRP use because it determines the total energy you can 
extract from the battery before your radio quits. Good quality LiFePO4's 
have a discharge curve that is very flat after an initial drop from 
full-charge.  Mine [an A123 4S1Ppack] maintains a terminal voltage above 
11.5 V until it is nearly discharged.

Re low-voltage cutoff: Some packs have a cutoff internal.  My K2 shuts 
down [draws negligible current] at about 10.5Vhowever I've only had that 
happen once. Most of the time, other factors [weather, tired butt, bugs] 
will terminate an outdoor session well before the battery depletes.

73,

Fred ("Skip") K6DGW
Sparks NV USA
Washoe County DM09dn

On 6/7/2017 11:34 AM, Matthew MacRoberts wrote:
> Are there any internal resistance or c-ratings that I should be aware of? (Like there are on RC vehicles)
>
> Are Ham?s using any kind of low voltage cutoff with their batteries?
>


From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Thu Jun  8 14:06:58 2017
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2017 11:06:58 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3/P3 external power source
In-Reply-To: <03440a55-f23b-af26-6f9a-e51f8766c4b6@foothill.net>
References: <8AFD4947-DE8C-4851-B02C-747DC4FF7E8A@gmail.com>
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Yes. There are two VERY different limitations on minimum battery 
voltage.  One, which is set by the radio, is the minimum voltage at 
which the radio function is acceptable.

The other limit is the minimum voltage to which the battery can be 
discharged without damage to the battery. Li batteries of all variations 
are damaged if discharged below a certain voltage. That voltage depends 
on the chemistry used -- LiPO, LiFePO3, etc. For LiFePO3 chemistry, the 
individual cells that make up the battery should not be discharged below 
about 3V per cell. Once the cell has fallen to that voltage, it is 
nearly discharged, and continuing to draw current from it will cause the 
voltage to fall very quickly, and damage can occur.

73, Jim K9YC

On Thu,6/8/2017 10:28 AM, Fred Jensen wrote:
> Not sure I understand your question Matthew. Lithiumbatteries [all 
> chemistries] have exceedingly low internal resistanceand consequently, 
> will deliver a huge current if shorted.  Power leads should be fused.  
> The flat, automotive blade-type fuses seem to work best... large, low 
> resistance contact area.
>
> The voltage vs time function during discharge is probably the primary 
> concern for ham QRP use because it determines the total energy you can 
> extract from the battery before your radio quits. Good quality 
> LiFePO4's have a discharge curve that is very flat after an initial 
> drop from full-charge.  Mine [an A123 4S1Ppack] maintains a terminal 
> voltage above 11.5 V until it is nearly discharged.
>
> Re low-voltage cutoff: Some packs have a cutoff internal.  My K2 shuts 
> down [draws negligible current] at about 10.5Vhowever I've only had 
> that happen once. Most of the time, other factors [weather, tired 
> butt, bugs] will terminate an outdoor session well before the battery 
> depletes.

From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Thu Jun  8 14:31:33 2017
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2017 13:31:33 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] BL2 Balun Question
In-Reply-To: <006301d2e076$fbc5e960$f351bc20$@comcast.net>
References: <006301d2e076$fbc5e960$f351bc20$@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <358e6e91-7e19-e93c-627f-4ef9317ed621@blomand.net>

Your operation is similar to one I encounter when operating from our RV.

A balun has several primary and in may cases mutiple functions. Some, 
all or none may be contained in the specific balun design:

(a) operation between a balanced and an unbalanced circuit. Hence BalUn 
meaning balanced to unbalanced.  This is typical where the coaxial 
unbalanced output of a transceiver is connected to a balanced load such 
as a balanced antenna which is fed with balanced line.

(b) a balun can offer impedance transformation characteristics such as 
found with a 4:1 or 6:1 or other transformation ratios. In the case of a 
4:1 balun it transforms a 200 ohm balanced load to a 50 ohm unbalanced 
source.   Optimum results attained here would with a folded dipole 
design offering some 200 to 300 ohm load being transformed into a 50 to 
75 ohm source.

(c) Correctly designed a balun should offer some degree of common mode 
current rejection.  Thus the reduction of common mode currents induced 
into the feed line thus flowing back into the station equipment.

In your case the use of the balun between the transceiver to the 
balanced feed line is correct.  Then the "ground" terminal should be 
connected to the transceiver reference ground point.  Ideally a driven 
ground, although in a RV perhaps just the metal framework of the 
vehicle.   As to using a wire, yes connect the random length of wire to 
terminal A and If you use a counterpoise, be it elevated on on the 
ground as in a radial field, then it can connect to terminal B.  In this 
case the counterpoise should be connected to "ground".  The application 
of the balun in this configuration is then simply to prove some 
impedance transformation as in a 4:1 balun and to control common mode 
current.   That is provided the balun is correctly designed for such.

In the case of the BL2 balun, it is switchable between a 4:1 ratio and a 
1:1 ratio.  Your specific application will likely require the use of 
either at one time or another depending on your antenna configuration.

My personal reference for this discussion and balun designs in detail 
can be found at the DJ0IP website. http://www.dj0ip.de/balun-stuff/
<http://www.dj0ip.de/balun-stuff/>


73

Bob, K4TAX


On 6/8/2017 11:47 AM, Terry Brown wrote:
> I have the BL2 Balun and use it for balanced lines to Coax.  Occasionally,
> when I am using a wire and counterpoise to the BNC binding posts, I try to
> match a shorter wire for 80 meters than what I really should due to lack of
> space in RV sites.  I believe I am connecting the Balun correctly; hooking
> the long wire to A and the counterpoise to B on the Balun inputs.  I can get
> a shorter wire to tune that way.
>
>   
>
> My question is:  what is the purpose of the GND connection on the Balun?
> Does it need to be grounded when in use?  Looking at the circuit diagram in
> the manual, I don't think the counterpoise should be attached to the ground
> connection?
>
>   
>
> I'd be interested in how others hook up their BL2 Baluns.
>
>   
>
> Thanks and 73's,
>
>   
>
> Terry de N7TB
>
> _


From alsopb at comcast.net  Thu Jun  8 15:12:00 2017
From: alsopb at comcast.net (brian)
Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2017 19:12:00 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 s/n 8xxx won't do 50 W TX gain calibration
Message-ID: <5939A180.4060606@comcast.net>

It's been a bit since I've done this.

It does the 5 watt calibration OK.

It then goes to the 50 watt calibration menu.  Hitting next doesn't do 
any calibration but instead brings up the 1 mW calibration menu.

K3 with new synthesizers:  FW 5.57/1.26/2.88/2.88

Only thing I can recall happening since the last time it worked was 
upgrade to 5.57 et al.

????

de Brian/K3KO




From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Thu Jun  8 15:23:30 2017
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2017 15:23:30 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 s/n 8xxx won't do 50 W TX gain calibration
In-Reply-To: <5939A180.4060606@comcast.net>
References: <5939A180.4060606@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <29d86714-d961-d5ab-6e95-29c43d002703@embarqmail.com>

Brian,

I think that may be a K3 Utility "problem".
It has the capability to skip any of the gain calibration ranges.  Try 
again and observe all the buttons on each screen.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 6/8/2017 3:12 PM, brian wrote:
> It's been a bit since I've done this.
> 
> It does the 5 watt calibration OK.
> 
> It then goes to the 50 watt calibration menu.  Hitting next doesn't do 
> any calibration but instead brings up the 1 mW calibration menu.
> 
> K3 with new synthesizers:  FW 5.57/1.26/2.88/2.88
> 
> Only thing I can recall happening since the last time it worked was 
> upgrade to 5.57 et al.




> 
> ????
> 
> de Brian/K3KO
> 
> 
> 
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From dick at elecraft.com  Thu Jun  8 16:06:16 2017
From: dick at elecraft.com (Dick Dievendorff)
Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2017 13:06:16 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 s/n 8xxx won't do 50 W TX gain calibration
In-Reply-To: <29d86714-d961-d5ab-6e95-29c43d002703@embarqmail.com>
References: <5939A180.4060606@comcast.net>
	<29d86714-d961-d5ab-6e95-29c43d002703@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <000801d2e092$affd0f10$0ff72d30$@elecraft.com>

There is a CALIBRATE button press required to perform the calibration on
each page. "Next" moves to the next page, whether or not you've done the
calibration on the page you're leaving.

We need the ability to perform just the 5, 50, or 1 mW calibration without
having to perform calibrations at other power levels. I can't use "Next" to
imply "calibrate and advance".

73 de Dick, K6KR



-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net
[mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Don Wilhelm
Sent: Thursday, June 8, 2017 12:24
To: brian <alsopb at comcast.net>; elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 s/n 8xxx won't do 50 W TX gain calibration

Brian,

I think that may be a K3 Utility "problem".
It has the capability to skip any of the gain calibration ranges.  Try again
and observe all the buttons on each screen.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 6/8/2017 3:12 PM, brian wrote:
> It's been a bit since I've done this.
> 
> It does the 5 watt calibration OK.
> 
> It then goes to the 50 watt calibration menu.  Hitting next doesn't do 
> any calibration but instead brings up the 1 mW calibration menu.
> 
> K3 with new synthesizers:  FW 5.57/1.26/2.88/2.88
> 
> Only thing I can recall happening since the last time it worked was 
> upgrade to 5.57 et al.




> 
> ????
> 
> de Brian/K3KO
> 
> 
> 
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From terje at elde.net  Thu Jun  8 16:22:58 2017
From: terje at elde.net (Terje Elde)
Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2017 22:22:58 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3/P3 external power source
In-Reply-To: <e0ecfc2c-aad4-9c79-c6b2-5ec952704973@audiosystemsgroup.com>
References: <8AFD4947-DE8C-4851-B02C-747DC4FF7E8A@gmail.com>
	<1496859795248-7631475.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<3791702A-2ED1-4623-82B0-1751E219E084@gmail.com>
	<03440a55-f23b-af26-6f9a-e51f8766c4b6@foothill.net>
	<e0ecfc2c-aad4-9c79-c6b2-5ec952704973@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Message-ID: <B79A68C7-EE7C-4DB4-BF8B-02E7D2502AB4@elde.net>



> On 8 Jun 2017, at 20:06, Jim Brown <jim at audiosystemsgroup.com> wrote:
> 
> The other limit is the minimum voltage to which the battery can be discharged without damage to the battery. Li batteries of all variations are damaged if discharged below a certain voltage. That voltage depends on the chemistry used -- LiPO, LiFePO3, etc. For LiFePO3 chemistry, the individual cells that make up the battery should not be discharged below about 3V per cell. Once the cell has fallen to that voltage, it is nearly discharged, and continuing to draw current from it will cause the voltage to fall very quickly, and damage can occur.

Backing this, and just adding:

LiFePo4 should be fine down to about 2.5V pr. cell, but you want some margins. Also keep in mind that one cell is the weakest, and you don't want the battery of that cell dropping below, even if the average is above.

Oh, and also good to keep an eye on the difference between voltage under load, and voltage during idle/receive. 

Also, some of this damage can be dangerous. I wouldn't panic about it, but for normal LiIon and LiPo, if they've spent some time below 2V, I'd think twice before using it again.

Just like you need to dry out a tent before packing it away to avoid mold, best have a habit of charging LiIons before putting them away.

Terje / LB8KH

From bob at hogbytes.com  Thu Jun  8 16:57:17 2017
From: bob at hogbytes.com (Bob N3MNT)
Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2017 13:57:17 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3/P3 external power source
In-Reply-To: <B79A68C7-EE7C-4DB4-BF8B-02E7D2502AB4@elde.net>
References: <8AFD4947-DE8C-4851-B02C-747DC4FF7E8A@gmail.com>
	<1496859795248-7631475.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<3791702A-2ED1-4623-82B0-1751E219E084@gmail.com>
	<03440a55-f23b-af26-6f9a-e51f8766c4b6@foothill.net>
	<e0ecfc2c-aad4-9c79-c6b2-5ec952704973@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<B79A68C7-EE7C-4DB4-BF8B-02E7D2502AB4@elde.net>
Message-ID: <1496955437701-7631500.post@n2.nabble.com>

I don't recommend fully charging either LiFe or LiPo batteries before storing
them.  Many of the better chargers have a storage mode that brings them up
to about 40% charge.  Storing fully charged batteries will shorten their
life.



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From ron at cobi.biz  Thu Jun  8 18:55:06 2017
From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire)
Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2017 15:55:06 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] BL2 Balun Question
In-Reply-To: <358e6e91-7e19-e93c-627f-4ef9317ed621@blomand.net>
References: <006301d2e076$fbc5e960$f351bc20$@comcast.net>
	<358e6e91-7e19-e93c-627f-4ef9317ed621@blomand.net>
Message-ID: <002901d2e0aa$45ca1760$d15e4620$@biz>

Terry, to answer your question, that ground connection simply ensures the
balun pcb and the outer shield of the coax cable feeding the balun remain at
a low RF potential, even if you feed a fairly high impedance load. 

You are correct to connect them to the A and B terminals. Either wire to
either terminal is fine. The "balun" isolates the wires from  the coaxial
line. IF the balun and rig are close to each other, I'd not use the balun
for short end fed wire / counterpoise wire setups.

Note that the RF currents flowing inside a coaxial transmission line *are*
balanced if the line is terminated in a balanced load. The balance is
determined by the load, not the transmission line. 

Since RF flows on the surface of the conductors, there are actually three
(3) conductors in a coaxial transmission line: 1) The center conductor, 2)
The inside surface of the shield and 3) The outside surface of the shield. 

A properly installed coaxial line will prevent coupling between the inside
and outside of the shield. If, for example, one connects a coaxial line to a
dipole by unbrading a length of shield, twisting it and soldering it to one
side of the dipole the inner and outer surfaces of the coaxial shield are
now connected in parallel. RF currents now flow down the outside of the
shield in parallel with that side of the dipole. In some situations, this is
of little concern but if one wants the advantage of the inherent shielding
provided by coax, it is important to decouple the outer surface of the
shield from the inside surface.  

The "balun" can provide this function by suppressing RF currents flowing out
of the end of the coax that would otherwise flow down the outside of the
shield. Grounding the pcb keeps it at a low RF voltage even when feeding a
high impedance load, if the ground is effective at the frequency in use. 

73, Ron AC7AC


On 6/8/2017 11:47 AM, Terry Brown wrote:
> I have the BL2 Balun and use it for balanced lines to Coax.  Occasionally,
> when I am using a wire and counterpoise to the BNC binding posts, I try to
> match a shorter wire for 80 meters than what I really should due to lack
of
> space in RV sites.  I believe I am connecting the Balun correctly; hooking
> the long wire to A and the counterpoise to B on the Balun inputs.  I can
get
> a shorter wire to tune that way.
>
>   
>
> My question is:  what is the purpose of the GND connection on the Balun?
> Does it need to be grounded when in use?  Looking at the circuit diagram
in
> the manual, I don't think the counterpoise should be attached to the
ground
> connection?
>
>   
>
> I'd be interested in how others hook up their BL2 Baluns.
>
>   
>
> Thanks and 73's,
>
>   
>
> Terry de N7TB
>
> _


From n6kr at elecraft.com  Thu Jun  8 18:58:22 2017
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2017 15:58:22 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 owner's manual and errata updates available
Message-ID: <0C9F5688-32A2-4FCD-ADCF-EE78879E48F9@elecraft.com>

Hi all,

There are two revised documents available for the KX2:

    Owner?s Manual rev. A6

    Errata rev. A5-2 (for Owner?s Manual rev. A5)

Links to these can be found on our Manuals & Downloads page. Both have been updated to describe all of the latest firmware features.

73,
Wayne
N6KR


From n6kr at elecraft.com  Thu Jun  8 19:07:16 2017
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2017 16:07:16 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] New KX2 beta firmware available with built-in CW/Data
 logging function
Message-ID: <619D84F9-DD47-430D-A45E-F04880BF4748@elecraft.com>

KX2 beta firmware rev. 2.77 is now available on our KX2 firmware/software page (http://www.elecraft.com/KX2/kx2_software.htm). See full details in the release notes below. 

A number of KX2 owners have been testing the new logging feature and have found that it works well for casual QSOs as well as for SOTA activations, etc. If your KX2 has the KXIO2 option installed, the log time stamps will use data from the KXIO2?s real time clock.

73,
Wayne
N6KR

* * *

KX2 MCU rev. 2.77


BUILT-IN LOGGING (CW and DATA MODES): 

When using the KX2 hand-held, logging may be difficult. The KX2 can now capture up to 2048 transmitted characters, along with time, band, and mode, so you can update a paper or electronic log later on.

To enable logging, set MENU:LOGGING to ON. Logging applies to CW (C), PSK-D (P) and FSK-D (F) modes, and only when using the internal keyer. To take advantage of time stamping, either set the time (MENU:TIME) on every power-up of the KX2, or install a KXIO2, which includes a real-time clock powered by the internal battery.

When logging is enabled, the DVR icon (above the S-meter) flashes slowly. Outgoing text decode is turned on, allowing you to make sure you?ve sent call signs accurately. If you fill the log, LOG FULL will be shown briefly, and the DVR icon will stop flashing.

To review logged text, tap DISP and rotate VFO B to find the LOG display. The VFO A knob can then be used to scroll through text. Time/mode/band are shown on VFO A (e.g., ?0023 C14?); text is shown on VFO B. Holding CLR erases the entire log. To ?dump? the log, send ?LG;? to the KX2 via KX2 Utility?s Command Tester screen.

Tips: To conserve space, use message buffers (MSG) to send CQs, name/QTH, etc. Messages are not recorded in the log. To start/stop logging quickly, assign the LOGGING menu entry to a programmable function switch (PF1-PF4).



From n6kr at elecraft.com  Thu Jun  8 19:23:32 2017
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2017 16:23:32 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Seeking input on KPA1500 station configurations
Message-ID: <DA13366D-B369-427C-9F2F-C8BA9C08FEAA@elecraft.com>

The KPA1500 has very flexible I/O, and plenty of space for adding new control features in firmware. I/O ports include Ethernet, USB, RS-232, K3 Accessory connector (including Icom band voltages), AH-4, CI-V, keying input (PTT), ALC out, and remote power-on.

In order to prioritize our efforts towards the facilitation of remote control and interfacing, we?d like to hear from those considering how they might integrate a KPA1500 into their station. Please describe both third-party and home-built gear that you might be using. In what situations could the KPA1500 itself simplify setup or operation? 

I can?t promise we?ll be able to respond to every question or suggestion, but we?ll keep all of your input for our internal discussions. 

73,
Wayne
N6KR


From wa6ara at gmail.com  Thu Jun  8 19:29:14 2017
From: wa6ara at gmail.com (Mike Herr)
Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2017 16:29:14 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 with 2m module for satellites
Message-ID: <CAJrga+VgL0E64MF-+kvsJkKvu+N3bgSMxH_dZOtuBMTmezr3Og@mail.gmail.com>

Yes, i've used the KX3 for both the FM and linear birds. It works quite
well, except for the power level. 3 watts on 2mtrs is a little low for the
birds. Yes, it can be done, and it can be done with an Arrow, IF you pick
the right time. On the west coast, pick a pass late at night and a west of
the coast pass and you have a good chance of making it. But on the other
hand, you might also be the only one on! CW, no problem at 3 watts, except
there are few of us on cw on the birds. I would suggest a little
amplification - like 10 to 20 watts.

On receive, the KX3 works even better! No receive amplification is
necessary at all.

>Good evening everyone!
>
>Just wondering if anyone has experience working linear (or FM for that
>matter) satellites with a KX3 and the 2M transverter installed?  I see it's
>limited to 2.5-3W of output, and after reading the manuals, I believe it'll
>work SSB for the linear satellites.


-- 
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From tomb18 at videotron.ca  Thu Jun  8 20:02:57 2017
From: tomb18 at videotron.ca (Tom)
Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2017 20:02:57 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Seeking input on KPA1500 station configurations
In-Reply-To: <J6oVd40d9b0CVJ6oWdwP0A@videotron.ca>
References: <J6oVd40d9b0CVJ6oWdwP0A@videotron.ca>
Message-ID: <EF7C63DF360E4327BF65235CBA01114B@DESKTOPAV61F2H>

Hi,
Here's one..
Since the KPA1500 can be turned on remotely, why not have it generate the 
necessary signal on the K3 accessory connector to turn on the K3 as well?
Win4K3Suite can leverage this as well.
73



-----Original Message----- 
From: Wayne Burdick
Sent: Thursday, June 8, 2017 7:23 PM
To: Elecraft Reflector
Cc: elecraft_k3 at yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Elecraft] Seeking input on KPA1500 station configurations

The KPA1500 has very flexible I/O, and plenty of space for adding new 
control features in firmware. I/O ports include Ethernet, USB, RS-232, K3 
Accessory connector (including Icom band voltages), AH-4, CI-V, keying input 
(PTT), ALC out, and remote power-on.

In order to prioritize our efforts towards the facilitation of remote 
control and interfacing, we?d like to hear from those considering how they 
might integrate a KPA1500 into their station. Please describe both 
third-party and home-built gear that you might be using. In what situations 
could the KPA1500 itself simplify setup or operation?

I can?t promise we?ll be able to respond to every question or suggestion, 
but we?ll keep all of your input for our internal discussions.

73,
Wayne
N6KR

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From alorona at sbcglobal.net  Thu Jun  8 20:22:36 2017
From: alorona at sbcglobal.net (Al Lorona)
Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2017 00:22:36 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3/P3 external power source
In-Reply-To: <1496955437701-7631500.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <8AFD4947-DE8C-4851-B02C-747DC4FF7E8A@gmail.com>
	<1496859795248-7631475.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<3791702A-2ED1-4623-82B0-1751E219E084@gmail.com>
	<03440a55-f23b-af26-6f9a-e51f8766c4b6@foothill.net>
	<e0ecfc2c-aad4-9c79-c6b2-5ec952704973@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<B79A68C7-EE7C-4DB4-BF8B-02E7D2502AB4@elde.net>
	<1496955437701-7631500.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <973566327.6685200.1496967756620@mail.yahoo.com>

I'm not doubting any of the statements we've read today, but if they're all true then I confess I don't know a darned thing about batteries. 

I'm always hearing conflicting information about batteries that leaves me baffled. Store them fully charged; store them 40% charged; discharge them all the way; discharge them down to only to 35 per cent of capacity; aim for 2.5 V per cell; aim for 3.0 V per cell; Lithium is great for QRP portable; Lithium is a bomb ready to go off.

What the heck? When it comes to batteries, the Principle of Contradiction goes out the window.



Al  W6LX

From robert.forster at gmail.com  Thu Jun  8 22:20:20 2017
From: robert.forster at gmail.com (Robert Forster)
Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2017 20:20:20 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] [K2] No signal at TP1 during Alignment and Test Part
	2
In-Reply-To: <2396f799-e1fe-c035-d1d4-1c48fb852c46@embarqmail.com>
References: <CAHf6gZcBnvb448+JYw3PsZBGG4ANMSP==1bWaVPmH86L-=5=pQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<2396f799-e1fe-c035-d1d4-1c48fb852c46@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAHf6gZdSZi3uWPjFL0Hc0yeJ4v+f5pG_xTe2NHCckhvUwD-eQg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Don and Group,

I got a bit of time to troubleshoot this evening.

I do have a good signal at TP3 so I am ignoring the PLL and U4.

I did the DC measurements at Q18 and found some issues.

the gate shows as a negative polarity but at -.001 volts
Source is .08
Drain is at 6.8

This should lead me to suspect T5 correct?
the soldering on the underside of the board for T5 looks ok (no ring for
these points but the topside of the board looks rough!  I used the USB
microscope and took some photos.
Here: https://flic.kr/s/aHsm2aNdeG

 I'm thinking that after the VHF contest I should remove T5 and check the
windings and re strip the ends and retin.  Does this sound like an
apropriate course of action?

Oh and just for the hell of it I bypassed C60 with no effect either.

Thanks again for all your help!

73,
Robert
AD0TA

On Wed, Jun 7, 2017 at 6:33 AM, Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com> wrote:

> Robert,
>
> Do you have a good signal at TP3?  If so, ignore the PLL Reference
> oscillator and U4 for now.
>
> You need to get the VFO operating before doing anything else.
> Do the DC measurements a Q18.  If you do not have a negative voltage at
> the gate, it is not oscillating.
>
> T5 is the most likely problem with the VFO.  Make certain it is wound
> correctly and the leads are well stripped and tinned.  If you see a ring
> around the lead (on the solder side), that lead was not adequately stripped
> and tinned.  Both windings must be wound in the same direction.
>
> If all the above is correct, put a temporary jumper across C60 to disable
> the VFO ALC circuit.  If it oscillates with the jumper in place, but not
> without it, replace Q17.  If that still does not correct it, try replacing
> Q16.  Be certain D11 is oriented correctly.
>
> Ignore the voltages on U4 pins 5, 6, and 7 - those are digital signals,
> and the manual lists the voltage for the active signal, not what you would
> typically measure with a DMM.  If you look at them with a 'scope you can
> see pulses on those lines, and that should be sufficient for proper
> operation.
>
> RFC 15 also needs to be ignored until after you get the VFO operating.
> Once you get a VFO signal at TP1, then you can investigate the operation of
> U4.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
>
> On 6/6/2017 9:47 PM, Robert Forster wrote:
>
>> Hello to the group!
>>
>> I'm afraid I need to lean on your collective K2 troubleshooting expertise.
>> After a long break I have finally made it to the Alignment and Test Part 2
>> of my build.  Everything was going OK until I got to the VCO Test.  I have
>> no signal at TP1.  I have tested this with the built in counter as well as
>> an external counter.  I have gone through some of the troubleshooting I
>> could find online:
>>
>> The orientation of D13 and D8 look good
>>
>> I have checked the soldering at relays K13, K14 and K15 and the value of
>> C72.
>>
>> I have checked the varactors at D21 through D26 and they are oriented
>> properly I am nearly certain they are all the correct type
>>
>> I tested RFC15 in the circuit and could not get any continuity through it.
>> When I pulled it out of the circuit it tested fine so I put it back in.
>> I'm sure this is something basic I just dont understand.
>>
>> I know there is some more testing I can do with Q17 and Q18 (I did check
>> that they are the right type and orientation I also check all the
>> component
>> values around Q18) Lets set that aside for just a second though...
>>
>> Here is where I think it gets a little weird.  Looking at the schematic I
>> followed it back to U4.  When I compared the voltage table to what i was
>> actually seeing on U4 I think I may have found my problem.  According to
>> the table pin 7 should have 0 Volts but i'm showing 4.8!  It also shows
>> that pin 13 should have 4 volts but I'm showing 0.  All other pins are
>> normal and match the chart.
>>
>> Following Pin 7 of U4 back to Pin 1 of U5 I see the same 4.8 volts.
>> This is supposed to be a clock line so I'm confused where this sort of
>> voltage would be comming from.
>>
>> I'm still new to alot of this and this is by far the most complex kit I've
>> taken on so any and all help will be appreciated!
>>
>> Thanks and 73,
>> Robert
>> AD0TA
>>
>>
>>
>>


-- 
===
I could tell you a UDP joke, but you might not get it.
===

From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Thu Jun  8 23:35:13 2017
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2017 23:35:13 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] [K2] No signal at TP1 during Alignment and Test Part
	2
In-Reply-To: <CAHf6gZdSZi3uWPjFL0Hc0yeJ4v+f5pG_xTe2NHCckhvUwD-eQg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHf6gZcBnvb448+JYw3PsZBGG4ANMSP==1bWaVPmH86L-=5=pQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<2396f799-e1fe-c035-d1d4-1c48fb852c46@embarqmail.com>
	<CAHf6gZdSZi3uWPjFL0Hc0yeJ4v+f5pG_xTe2NHCckhvUwD-eQg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <62e8cdf1-b4a9-2a79-1565-401c5490ba61@embarqmail.com>

Robert,

Those voltages say the VFO is oscillating, but the DC voltage at the 
gate of Q18 indicates that either your DMM is dragging the voltage to a 
low level, or the oscillation is weak.  If that is true, T5 is OK.

I would suggest that you build up the RF Probe - parts are supplied with 
your K2 kit.
Then go to Appendix E of the K2 manual and do the checks shown on pages 
10 and the first part of page 11.  If you have an oscilloscope with a 
10X probe, do the same checks but the peak to peak voltage should be 2.8 
times the expected RMS voltages.

As always with new kits, check the soldering.  Inadequate heat to flow 
the solder is a common source of failure to have circuits work 
correctly.  Also check the value of components in the VFO circuit. I 
have repaired K2s where the only problem is that the builder did not 
identify the correct capacitors.  For instance, C68 must be a 10pF 
capacitor.  There is a 1pF capacitor in the kit which is marked 1D and 
can at first glance be interpreted as "10".

73,
Don W3FPR

On 6/8/2017 10:20 PM, Robert Forster wrote:
> Hi Don and Group,
>
> I got a bit of time to troubleshoot this evening.
>
> I do have a good signal at TP3 so I am ignoring the PLL and U4.
>
> I did the DC measurements at Q18 and found some issues.
>
> the gate shows as a negative polarity but at -.001 volts
> Source is .08
> Drain is at 6.8
>
> This should lead me to suspect T5 correct?
> the soldering on the underside of the board for T5 looks ok (no ring 
> for these points but the topside of the board looks rough!  I used the 
> USB microscope and took some photos.
> Here: https://flic.kr/s/aHsm2aNdeG
>
>


From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Fri Jun  9 00:58:58 2017
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2017 21:58:58 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3/P3 external power source
In-Reply-To: <973566327.6685200.1496967756620@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <8AFD4947-DE8C-4851-B02C-747DC4FF7E8A@gmail.com>
	<1496859795248-7631475.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<3791702A-2ED1-4623-82B0-1751E219E084@gmail.com>
	<03440a55-f23b-af26-6f9a-e51f8766c4b6@foothill.net>
	<e0ecfc2c-aad4-9c79-c6b2-5ec952704973@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<B79A68C7-EE7C-4DB4-BF8B-02E7D2502AB4@elde.net>
	<1496955437701-7631500.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<973566327.6685200.1496967756620@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <611869a6-99f1-5555-5354-91fb2691cb8b@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On Thu,6/8/2017 5:22 PM, Al Lorona wrote:
> I'm always hearing conflicting information about batteries that leaves me baffled.

Contradictions like this are usually resolved by careful study of source 
documents, not be reading opinions expressed by those who failed to do 
that, but instead quote the opinions of others who have also failed to 
do that study. Science is NOT decided by majority vote, nor is it 
decided by opinion.

73, Jim K9YC


From k2vco.vic at gmail.com  Fri Jun  9 01:31:19 2017
From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Vic Rosenthal)
Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2017 08:31:19 +0300
Subject: [Elecraft] [K2] No signal at TP1 during Alignment and Test Part
	2
In-Reply-To: <CAHf6gZdSZi3uWPjFL0Hc0yeJ4v+f5pG_xTe2NHCckhvUwD-eQg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHf6gZcBnvb448+JYw3PsZBGG4ANMSP==1bWaVPmH86L-=5=pQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<2396f799-e1fe-c035-d1d4-1c48fb852c46@embarqmail.com>
	<CAHf6gZdSZi3uWPjFL0Hc0yeJ4v+f5pG_xTe2NHCckhvUwD-eQg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C9324081-4286-4414-8295-38A5D0DBFF7F@gmail.com>

It looks like classic PTTL (poorly tinned toroid leads) on T5.

Vic 4X6GP 

> On 9 Jun 2017, at 5:20, Robert Forster <robert.forster at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Don and Group,
> 
> I got a bit of time to troubleshoot this evening.
> 
> I do have a good signal at TP3 so I am ignoring the PLL and U4.
> 
> I did the DC measurements at Q18 and found some issues.
> 
> the gate shows as a negative polarity but at -.001 volts
> Source is .08
> Drain is at 6.8
> 
> This should lead me to suspect T5 correct?
> the soldering on the underside of the board for T5 looks ok (no ring for
> these points but the topside of the board looks rough!  I used the USB
> microscope and took some photos.
> Here: https://flic.kr/s/aHsm2aNdeG
> 
> I'm thinking that after the VHF contest I should remove T5 and check the
> windings and re strip the ends and retin.  Does this sound like an
> apropriate course of action?
> 
> Oh and just for the hell of it I bypassed C60 with no effect either.
> 
> Thanks again for all your help!
> 
> 73,
> Robert
> AD0TA
> 
>> On Wed, Jun 7, 2017 at 6:33 AM, Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Robert,
>> 
>> Do you have a good signal at TP3?  If so, ignore the PLL Reference
>> oscillator and U4 for now.
>> 
>> You need to get the VFO operating before doing anything else.
>> Do the DC measurements a Q18.  If you do not have a negative voltage at
>> the gate, it is not oscillating.
>> 
>> T5 is the most likely problem with the VFO.  Make certain it is wound
>> correctly and the leads are well stripped and tinned.  If you see a ring
>> around the lead (on the solder side), that lead was not adequately stripped
>> and tinned.  Both windings must be wound in the same direction.
>> 
>> If all the above is correct, put a temporary jumper across C60 to disable
>> the VFO ALC circuit.  If it oscillates with the jumper in place, but not
>> without it, replace Q17.  If that still does not correct it, try replacing
>> Q16.  Be certain D11 is oriented correctly.
>> 
>> Ignore the voltages on U4 pins 5, 6, and 7 - those are digital signals,
>> and the manual lists the voltage for the active signal, not what you would
>> typically measure with a DMM.  If you look at them with a 'scope you can
>> see pulses on those lines, and that should be sufficient for proper
>> operation.
>> 
>> RFC 15 also needs to be ignored until after you get the VFO operating.
>> Once you get a VFO signal at TP1, then you can investigate the operation of
>> U4.
>> 
>> 73,
>> Don W3FPR
>> 
>> 
>>> On 6/6/2017 9:47 PM, Robert Forster wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello to the group!
>>> 
>>> I'm afraid I need to lean on your collective K2 troubleshooting expertise.
>>> After a long break I have finally made it to the Alignment and Test Part 2
>>> of my build.  Everything was going OK until I got to the VCO Test.  I have
>>> no signal at TP1.  I have tested this with the built in counter as well as
>>> an external counter.  I have gone through some of the troubleshooting I
>>> could find online:
>>> 
>>> The orientation of D13 and D8 look good
>>> 
>>> I have checked the soldering at relays K13, K14 and K15 and the value of
>>> C72.
>>> 
>>> I have checked the varactors at D21 through D26 and they are oriented
>>> properly I am nearly certain they are all the correct type
>>> 
>>> I tested RFC15 in the circuit and could not get any continuity through it.
>>> When I pulled it out of the circuit it tested fine so I put it back in.
>>> I'm sure this is something basic I just dont understand.
>>> 
>>> I know there is some more testing I can do with Q17 and Q18 (I did check
>>> that they are the right type and orientation I also check all the
>>> component
>>> values around Q18) Lets set that aside for just a second though...
>>> 
>>> Here is where I think it gets a little weird.  Looking at the schematic I
>>> followed it back to U4.  When I compared the voltage table to what i was
>>> actually seeing on U4 I think I may have found my problem.  According to
>>> the table pin 7 should have 0 Volts but i'm showing 4.8!  It also shows
>>> that pin 13 should have 4 volts but I'm showing 0.  All other pins are
>>> normal and match the chart.
>>> 
>>> Following Pin 7 of U4 back to Pin 1 of U5 I see the same 4.8 volts.
>>> This is supposed to be a clock line so I'm confused where this sort of
>>> voltage would be comming from.
>>> 
>>> I'm still new to alot of this and this is by far the most complex kit I've
>>> taken on so any and all help will be appreciated!
>>> 
>>> Thanks and 73,
>>> Robert
>>> AD0TA
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> ===
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> ===
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From ghyoungman at gmail.com  Fri Jun  9 10:16:10 2017
From: ghyoungman at gmail.com (GRANT YOUNGMAN)
Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2017 10:16:10 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3/P3 external power source
In-Reply-To: <611869a6-99f1-5555-5354-91fb2691cb8b@audiosystemsgroup.com>
References: <8AFD4947-DE8C-4851-B02C-747DC4FF7E8A@gmail.com>
	<1496859795248-7631475.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<3791702A-2ED1-4623-82B0-1751E219E084@gmail.com>
	<03440a55-f23b-af26-6f9a-e51f8766c4b6@foothill.net>
	<e0ecfc2c-aad4-9c79-c6b2-5ec952704973@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<B79A68C7-EE7C-4DB4-BF8B-02E7D2502AB4@elde.net>
	<1496955437701-7631500.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<973566327.6685200.1496967756620@mail.yahoo.com>
	<611869a6-99f1-5555-5354-91fb2691cb8b@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Message-ID: <5F76873F-CEA3-4085-A0FE-8397AFC60F5E@gmail.com>

I use A123 battery packs.  These are built from 26650 cells, which have a nominal voltage of 3.3v and a nominal capacity of 2500 mAH.  The specs for these batteries are published by A123.  The specified minimum voltage per cell is 2V, but the general consensus is that while that final voltage won?t destroy the battery, discharging to that level can reduce the life of the battery.

A fully charged A123 cell will have a voltage of about 3.5v.  During discharge (depending on temperature and current, but generally consistent with the currents drawn by typical portable ham gear) the battery delivers a nearly flat output voltage until the point that about 90-95% of the available capacity has been used.  When that occurs, the cell voltage is about 3v.  After that, the cell voltage literally goes over the cliff rapidly to 2v (based on manufacturer published discharge curves).

So with my 4S A123 packs I have my low voltage cutoff set to 12v (3 volts per series cell).

I have not found definitive data from A123 on ?long term storage?.  My assumption is that ?long term storage? means just that.  It doesn?t mean if I?m not going to use the battery for a couple of weeks I put it in storage mode.  If I thought I?d have it stored and unused for several months or more, I might.  I have to admit I don?t really know what ?long term? means in this context, but I use my batteries at least once a week, so I don?t generally worry about it.

I use a CellPro Multi4 charger, which has a program for putting A123 batteries in storage mode.  It charges the battery to 50% fuel level, which is defined within the charging program as a cell voltage of 3.351v.  Incidentally, the charger also defines the 0% fuel level as 2.99v, consistent with the 3v per cell (12v for a 4S string) as the logical cutoff point, beyond which you?re not going to extract significant energy anyway and, if you?re not careful, risk damaging the battery by over-discharge.

After a day?s use, even if I?ve kept the battery charge up with solar, I put the battery on the charger to balance the cells.  

The specifics may vary with other LeFePO4 battery technologies, but the principles should be similar.


Grant NQ5T
K3 #2091, KX3 #8342




>> I'm always hearing conflicting information about batteries that leaves me baffled.
> 
> Contradictions like this are usually resolved by careful study of source documents, not be reading opinions expressed by those who failed to do that, but instead quote the opinions of others who have also failed to do that study. Science is NOT decided by majority vote, nor is it decided by opinion.
> 
>  






From paul142857 at gmail.com  Fri Jun  9 10:39:06 2017
From: paul142857 at gmail.com (Paul Huff)
Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2017 10:39:06 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KX1 frequency display issue
Message-ID: <356B89D4-6514-4D18-8340-E733B8CB69B0@gmail.com>

My 3-band (40, 30, 20) KX-1 with built-in antenna tuner has given me faithful service for portable operations for the past 11 years but yesterday an issue developed.  

I had just completed a QSO on 40-meters (about 7.038) and started to turn the tuning knob up the band.  After a couple of turns the digital frequency display went blank.  When I reversed direction and tuned down the band the display returned but again, after several turns it went blank.  I turned the radio off and back on and got the same results - after a few turns of the tuning knob in either direction the frequency display would blank out.  So I shut my operation down and headed home.  I should add that I had inadvertently done some transmitting for two or three minutes on 20-meters with a rather high SWR before my QSO on 40.  The antenna match on 30 and 40 meters was very good.

Later that evening with the KX-1 hooked up to a dummy load I tested it for a few minutes and could not duplicate the situation.  The frequency display followed the knob turns without any problem and everything else seemed to be working fine as well.  I did hear a very small and short raspy birdie type of tone (just a little more than a ?click?) every turn or so of the knob but I don?t know if that is significant.

Does anyone have any ideas on what might have caused this problem and/or what I can do to diagnose it and fix it?

Thanks and 73,

Paul - N8XMS
NAQCC President
NAQCC #0675
http://www.naqcc.info/ <http://www.naqcc.info/>



From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Fri Jun  9 10:41:46 2017
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2017 10:41:46 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] [K2] No signal at TP1 during Alignment and Test Part
	2
In-Reply-To: <CAHf6gZdSZi3uWPjFL0Hc0yeJ4v+f5pG_xTe2NHCckhvUwD-eQg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHf6gZcBnvb448+JYw3PsZBGG4ANMSP==1bWaVPmH86L-=5=pQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<2396f799-e1fe-c035-d1d4-1c48fb852c46@embarqmail.com>
	<CAHf6gZdSZi3uWPjFL0Hc0yeJ4v+f5pG_xTe2NHCckhvUwD-eQg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5aa7f754-71c4-0cda-5185-03088e36d53c@embarqmail.com>

Robert,

I just now had time to look at your photos.  It seems to me that your 
solder on T5 (and maybe elsewhere) looks like "balls" with convex 
sides.  That is indicitive of a solder connection that has not received 
enough heat.
A good solder connection should have a slight fillet and end up with 
obvious solder that has flowed out entirely onto the solder pad and also 
up onto the leads.  The edges of the solder should taper out to an 
almost invisible edge with a concave fillet of solder between the pad 
and the lead.
See the diagrams in the Soldering Tutorial available at the Elecraft 
website (you may have to search for it).

I suggest you remove the solder from any connection that looks like 
those and re-do them.  Do not apply so much solder to "pile it on" - 
that does no good.  Heat the solder pad and lead until you can see the 
solder flow out onto both.

Using a small gauge solder helps.  With large diameter solder, by the 
time you apply 'a little bit', that is already too much.  Save the large 
solder for antenna wires.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 6/8/2017 10:20 PM, Robert Forster wrote:
>
> This should lead me to suspect T5 correct?
> the soldering on the underside of the board for T5 looks ok (no ring 
> for these points but the topside of the board looks rough!  I used the 
> USB microscope and took some photos.
> Here: https://flic.kr/s/aHsm2aNdeG
>
>


From wa2eio at optonline.net  Fri Jun  9 10:48:10 2017
From: wa2eio at optonline.net (Ron Manfredi)
Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2017 10:48:10 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] [K2] No signal at TP1 during Alignment and Test Part
	2
In-Reply-To: <5aa7f754-71c4-0cda-5185-03088e36d53c@embarqmail.com>
References: <CAHf6gZcBnvb448+JYw3PsZBGG4ANMSP==1bWaVPmH86L-=5=pQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<2396f799-e1fe-c035-d1d4-1c48fb852c46@embarqmail.com>
	<CAHf6gZdSZi3uWPjFL0Hc0yeJ4v+f5pG_xTe2NHCckhvUwD-eQg@mail.gmail.com>
	<5aa7f754-71c4-0cda-5185-03088e36d53c@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <ead1f55a-a40a-c8d4-c13c-085972e915f7@optonline.net>

I agree with Don's comments on the soldering.

I am not familiar with the kit, but if you had to wind the torroid 
yourself,  were you sure to remove ALL the insulation from the wire ends 
before soldering them to the board?


73,

Ron   WA2EIO



On 6/9/2017 10:41 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
> Robert,
>
> I just now had time to look at your photos.  It seems to me that your 
> solder on T5 (and maybe elsewhere) looks like "balls" with convex 
> sides.  That is indicitive of a solder connection that has not 
> received enough heat.
> A good solder connection should have a slight fillet and end up with 
> obvious solder that has flowed out entirely onto the solder pad and 
> also up onto the leads.  The edges of the solder should taper out to 
> an almost invisible edge with a concave fillet of solder between the 
> pad and the lead.
> See the diagrams in the Soldering Tutorial available at the Elecraft 
> website (you may have to search for it).
>
> I suggest you remove the solder from any connection that looks like 
> those and re-do them.  Do not apply so much solder to "pile it on" - 
> that does no good.  Heat the solder pad and lead until you can see the 
> solder flow out onto both.
>
> Using a small gauge solder helps.  With large diameter solder, by the 
> time you apply 'a little bit', that is already too much.  Save the 
> large solder for antenna wires.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 6/8/2017 10:20 PM, Robert Forster wrote:
>>
>> This should lead me to suspect T5 correct?
>> the soldering on the underside of the board for T5 looks ok (no ring 
>> for these points but the topside of the board looks rough! I used the 
>> USB microscope and took some photos.
>> Here: https://flic.kr/s/aHsm2aNdeG
>>
>>
>
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From graham.wood1 at mypostoffice.co.uk  Fri Jun  9 11:37:20 2017
From: graham.wood1 at mypostoffice.co.uk (G Wood)
Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2017 16:37:20 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] K3 RFI Problems Sorted (Hopefully)
Message-ID: <520187663.6983306.1497022640928.JavaMail.zimbra@mypostoffice.co.uk>

Hello to all

Originally posted as :- K3 RFI Problems ? HELP! on 28th of May

My setup is, K3 (sn:5845), computer Athlon 2.5 GHz running WinXP, and homebrew logging program. Station is in an upstairs room.
Antennas, 40m end fed inv vee matched through tuner on all bands, and 20/15m Bi-square coax fed into shack.
Ground is 1/4 wave radials for each band, strapped together and connected to tuner chassis. The K3 ground, computer chassis and CW/FSK/PTT interface box are also grounded to this point.
The computer is mounted under the operating position, rather noisy fan.

Recently keying the rig from the computer, the K3 would lock up, if I keyed using a paddle and K3 keyer no problem also discovered turning off K3 port on computer(no CAT to K3), no other changes, keyed OK.
Depending on the band, calculator, win media player and internet explorer would suddenly appear whilst keying.

The K3 serial lead used an old serial mouse lead all connections at both ends. I read Jim K9YC's article on RFI and followed his suggestion, made up a new lead using 2 twisted pairs for TxD & RxD, 1 lead from each to ground. The first time I tried this, running 10w, the computer switched off and rebooted. With the K3 serial lead disconnected I could run 100w no problem.

Following advice from Don W3FPR, I decided to rehash the setup.
I removed the ground leads to K3, computer and interface from the ground radial system.
Using coax (inner and outer joined) I connected a lead from the computer chassis to the interface diecast box and on to the K3 ground point.

The two audio leads, ready made screened cable, I twisted together. (Ref Jim K9YC twisted pairs less susceptible to RF).

The audio leads and two serial leads and ground lead are made up into an harness between the computer and K3.

I?ve tested on most bands, running 100w, no problems. Need to try in a contest for prolonged operating period. For the first time since I?ve been using the K3, I can run 100w on PSK, previously turning the power up, it reached 30w and wouldn?t go any higher, assumed RF getting into audio, lived with PSK at 25 watts or less.

I would like to thank, Don W3FPR for taking the time to reply to the original post, and Jim K9YC for his excellent article on RFI problems, both proved very helpful.

Hopefully this post might be of use to others having similar problems.

Cheers Gray G3VIP

From carl at n8vz.com  Fri Jun  9 12:15:51 2017
From: carl at n8vz.com (carl at n8vz.com)
Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2017 12:15:51 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 for Sale
Message-ID: <031301d2e13b$a9fdac60$fdf90520$@n8vz.com>

I have for sale a near-mint, factory-built P3. It also comes with the TX
Sensor (1.8-54MHz, 2K Max), plus cables to connect to your K-line rig, and
the P3 manual. I will sell for $750 shipped (in original box) to your CONUS
address. At this price, it's like getting the P3TXMON for free. PayPal only.
If interested, contact off list.

 

====================================== 
Carl J?n Denbow, N8VZ
17 Coventry Lane Athens, Ohio 45701-3718 
 <mailto:carl at n8vz.com> carl at n8vz.com 
 <http://www.n8vz.com/> www.n8vz.com 

EM89wh 
IRLP 4533 Echolink 116070
 
PSK and JT65 Forever! 
======================================

 


From tomb18 at videotron.ca  Fri Jun  9 14:27:54 2017
From: tomb18 at videotron.ca (Tom)
Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2017 14:27:54 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft]  New release of Win4K3Suite..you will want this one
Message-ID: <6A9E75A3532145FB85FA135DEFE037A1@DESKTOPAV61F2H>

Hello,
There is a new release of Win4K3Suite for the Elecraft K3-S, KX3, and KX2.  There are a number of significant updates.
1) There is now per band gain settings for the SDRPlay
2) The Macro Window has been adjusted so that it is resizable down to a single macro
3) An additional Message has been added to the KX3 and KX2 control screens
4) The status of the Auto Information of the radio is now restored upon program exit.
5) There is now an option in the User Preferences section which if selected will auto - synchronize the radio clock to your computer clock.

Win4K3Suite is the ultimate computer control and integration program for your Elecraft Radio.  It interfaces with all Elecraft hardware allowing even the KX2 to control and integrate the KPA500 and KAT500.  In addition, it has built in virtual port technology which allows up to 4 software or hardware devices to share the radio.
You can see an overview here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htVlc9x0IoU

and some reviews here:
http://www.eham.net/reviews/detail/11214

73 Tom
va2fsq.com

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From k3ndm at comcast.net  Fri Jun  9 14:51:56 2017
From: k3ndm at comcast.net (Barry)
Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2017 18:51:56 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] New release of Win4K3Suite..you will want this one
In-Reply-To: <6A9E75A3532145FB85FA135DEFE037A1@desktopav61f2h>
References: <6A9E75A3532145FB85FA135DEFE037A1@desktopav61f2h>
Message-ID: <em7ae86cc3-36ad-4431-b1e7-657f2ac145f1@laptop3>

Tom,
     Those are great improvements. I'll be updating this afternoon. 
Thanks.

73,
Barry
K3NDM

------ Original Message ------
From: "Tom" <tomb18 at videotron.ca>
To: "Elecraft" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: 6/9/2017 2:27:54 PM
Subject: [Elecraft] New release of Win4K3Suite..you will want this one

>Hello,
>There is a new release of Win4K3Suite for the Elecraft K3-S, KX3, and 
>KX2.  There are a number of significant updates.
>1) There is now per band gain settings for the SDRPlay
>2) The Macro Window has been adjusted so that it is resizable down to a 
>single macro
>3) An additional Message has been added to the KX3 and KX2 control 
>screens
>4) The status of the Auto Information of the radio is now restored upon 
>program exit.
>5) There is now an option in the User Preferences section which if 
>selected will auto - synchronize the radio clock to your computer 
>clock.
>
>Win4K3Suite is the ultimate computer control and integration program 
>for your Elecraft Radio.  It interfaces with all Elecraft hardware 
>allowing even the KX2 to control and integrate the KPA500 and KAT500.  
>In addition, it has built in virtual port technology which allows up to 
>4 software or hardware devices to share the radio.
>You can see an overview here:
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htVlc9x0IoU
>
>and some reviews here:
>http://www.eham.net/reviews/detail/11214
>
>73 Tom
>va2fsq.com
>
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From sjl219 at optonline.net  Fri Jun  9 16:55:44 2017
From: sjl219 at optonline.net (stan levandowski)
Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2017 16:55:44 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Elecraft] {KX1} Antenna Matching Question
Message-ID: <2db6ad04.62ca1.15c8ea432a7.Webtop.55@optonline.net>

When following the instruction in the KXAT1 manual and using a wire 
between 24-28 feet and a 16' counterpoise for 40 and an 8' counterpoise 
for 20, the best I can ever get is a 1.6 SWR on 20 and 2.8 SWR on 40. ?

I've spent lots of time shortening and lengthening wires and writing 
down results and I can't hit the magic combination.


The manual also makes it clear on page 8 that a 1:1 SWR is NOT necessary 
for good performance. ?I believe this because the little KX1 makes me 
plenty of contacts with this setup, including DX.


I suppose I could just be happy....


However, it bothers me that these SWRs are the best I can do. I don't 
like seeing these high ratios on the display. ? I built this KX1 but had 
Don Wilhelm build and install the 30/80 module for me. ?As part of his 
service, he went over my KX1 and told me that it was up to spec.


So my question is: ?Has any KX1 user out there figured out a wire 
length, length and number of counterpoises, etc. that gives a better 
match with the KXAT1's capabilities??


When I say I use a wire, I mean I throw it up into a tree and get it as 
vertical and possible, then I lay out the counterpoise wires and it all 
attaches directly to the KX1 with a dual binding post. ?Just real 
simple!


Thanks for any words of advice and 73,
Stan WB2LQF


From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Fri Jun  9 17:46:05 2017
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2017 17:46:05 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] {KX1} Antenna Matching Question
In-Reply-To: <2db6ad04.62ca1.15c8ea432a7.Webtop.55@optonline.net>
References: <2db6ad04.62ca1.15c8ea432a7.Webtop.55@optonline.net>
Message-ID: <e23a3e76-1448-ec91-55db-a01ef487b818@embarqmail.com>

Stan,

Have you tried the 16 foot counterpoise wire on 20 meters.
I don't know, but it is worth a try.

Is your counterpoise wire on the ground?  If not, that may be the 
difference.  A wire on the ground produces a coupling with Mother Earth. 
  The same wire in the air is just another part of the antenna.

As a fallback, you might want to try something more close to resonance 
on 20.  A radiator 16 feet long and a radial also 16 feet long.  Double 
those lengths for 40 meters.

Bruce Prior - a Field Tester for the KX2 had good luck with a 58 foot 
radiator and a 13 foot counterpoise wire on the ground for 40 through 
10.  Although the KX2 ATU has a much greater range than the KX1, it just 
may work.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 6/9/2017 4:55 PM, stan levandowski wrote:
> When following the instruction in the KXAT1 manual and using a wire 
> between 24-28 feet and a 16' counterpoise for 40 and an 8' counterpoise 
> for 20, the best I can ever get is a 1.6 SWR on 20 and 2.8 SWR on 40.
> 
> I've spent lots of time shortening and lengthening wires and writing 
> down results and I can't hit the magic combination.

From k6dgw at foothill.net  Fri Jun  9 18:15:35 2017
From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen)
Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2017 15:15:35 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] {KX1} Antenna Matching Question
In-Reply-To: <2db6ad04.62ca1.15c8ea432a7.Webtop.55@optonline.net>
References: <2db6ad04.62ca1.15c8ea432a7.Webtop.55@optonline.net>
Message-ID: <d843bf1c-f10c-91ac-ab23-1c472d69993e@foothill.net>

I no longer have my KX1 but it got a lot of use when I did.  I had the 
40/30/20 and KXAT1 options, the 30/80 hadn't been invented when I bought 
mine and life is too short for 2.5 watts on 80 anyway.  I made an 
end-fed wire out of 23 ft [7 m] of RG-58 by:

1.  Putting a male BNC on the end

2.  Stripping the outer black covering off to within 2 in [~5 cm] of the BNC

3.  Pulling the center conductor [still insulated] through the shield 
braid at the BNC.  This is easily done if you push the braid down to 
loosen it and then spread it, kink the center conductor, and push it 
through.

When pulled tight without the center conductor, the braid [counterpoise] 
will become somewhat longer than the center conductor ... maybe 5-10%.  
Wire goes into tree or telescoping mast, braid lays out on the ground.  
Tuned SWR on my 3 bands ran around 1.3:1, 20 was often 1:1.  The tuned 
SWR on 40 was a bit dependent on how I ran the counterpoise in relation 
to the antenna, but the effect was small.  I seemed to get better on-air 
results with the wire sloping from a tree or pole rather than nearly 
vertical, but that too was a small effect and probably subjective.  I 
kept this antenna rolled up on a camp clothesline reel in my KX1 bag.  
It went with the KX1 when I sold it.

I used a Buddipole for several years in places where I didn't have to 
carry it very far [heavy], but it was touchy to set up and my "recipes" 
that worked in the pasture at home never worked at my field sites so 
set-up took 30-45 min.  I finally switched to a mag loop [Alexloop] on a 
sprinkler tripod which works super with my K2.

2:1 isn't terrible considering that you don't have any transmission line 
loss.  Space limitations in the KX1 dictate that the KXAT1 can have only 
a limited number of L-C combos [64?], your match may be in between two 
of them.

73,

Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

On 6/9/17 1:55 PM, stan levandowski wrote:
> When following the instruction in the KXAT1 manual and using a wire 
> between 24-28 feet and a 16' counterpoise for 40 and an 8' 
> counterpoise for 20, the best I can ever get is a 1.6 SWR on 20 and 
> 2.8 SWR on 40.
>
> I've spent lots of time shortening and lengthening wires and writing 
> down results and I can't hit the magic combination.
>
> The manual also makes it clear on page 8 that a 1:1 SWR is NOT 
> necessary for good performance.  I believe this because the little KX1 
> makes me plenty of contacts with this setup, including DX.
>
> I suppose I could just be happy....
>
> However, it bothers me that these SWRs are the best I can do. I don't 
> like seeing these high ratios on the display.   I built this KX1 but 
> had Don Wilhelm build and install the 30/80 module for me.  As part of 
> his service, he went over my KX1 and told me that it was up to spec.
>
> So my question is:  Has any KX1 user out there figured out a wire 
> length, length and number of counterpoises, etc. that gives a better 
> match with the KXAT1's capabilities??
>
> When I say I use a wire, I mean I throw it up into a tree and get it 
> as vertical and possible, then I lay out the counterpoise wires and it 
> all attaches directly to the KX1 with a dual binding post.  Just real 
> simple!
>
> Thanks for any words of advice and 73,
> Stan WB2LQF


From kl7cw at mtaonline.net  Fri Jun  9 19:22:23 2017
From: kl7cw at mtaonline.net (Frederick Dwight)
Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2017 14:22:23 -0900
Subject: [Elecraft] KX-1 antenna matching
Message-ID: <20170609222217108@smtp618.redcondor.net>

Stan,
     I have used a kx 1 for thousands of QSO?s many in the field on 40, 30, and 20 meters.  My usual field antenna is a 26 ft piece of wire and one or two 17 counterpoise wires.  If the counterpoise (radial) wires are laying directly on the ground, usually I get a very good match on all 3 bands.  If part or all of the counterpoise/radial wire is elevated, then sometimes I clip on an extension of about 8 feet to get a better match if the SWR is higher than about 2:1 (probably only necessary on 40 meters sometimes).  Occasionally for 40 meter elevated counterpoise operation I have even used a single 34 ft counterpoise wire if I happen to have one available?.not likely when backpacking.  I would just use your 16 or 17 ft counterpoise for 20 meters?it might improve your 1.6:1 SWR, however I still have my original PA transistor and have often operated with SWR?s around 2:1 or higher, however my goal is to try not to exceed about 2:1. Usually I can get SWR down somewhere between 1:1 and and perhaps 1.9:1 (just a guess) on 40 meters, and often about the same or even slightly better on 20 and 30 meters.  I always carry a 8 ft piece of wire with a big clip on the end.  Often clipping it to a metal picnic table, guard rail, chain link fence, or car body either instead of a radial, or in addition to one and get satisfactory performance.  If I use an elevated counterpoise?then I clip the 8 ft wire onto the end of my 17 ft counterpoise for better matching on 40 and possibly 30 meters.  I see no reason to just use a 8 ft counterpoise or radial wire for 20, a 16 or 17 wire should be better on all the bands. Occasionally I lay down two 17 ft radial wires on the ground if I have them and there is room.  Some of my attempts at modeling showed slightly improved performance.  If I have a preferred direction I often lay them down in roughly that quadrant.  The theory is it may slightly help in that direction, but more important it may eliminate a very slight null opposite to the desired direction.  This is my unproved theory only since it would be nearly impossible to measure something like a dB or so.
           This is usually the only antenna I carry for backpacking, or travel around the US or Europe.  Something like a linked dipole (usually set up as an inverted V) will often perform significantly better, however I much prefer something like the 26 ft wire?.5 minutes to set up and lots of time to operate vs. an hour set up and less operating time.
            Rick  KL7CW   Palmer, Alaska   

Sent from Mail for Windows 10


From cautery at montac.com  Fri Jun  9 18:30:29 2017
From: cautery at montac.com (Clay Autery)
Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2017 17:30:29 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] New release of Win4K3Suite..you will want this one
In-Reply-To: <6A9E75A3532145FB85FA135DEFE037A1@DESKTOPAV61F2H>
References: <6A9E75A3532145FB85FA135DEFE037A1@DESKTOPAV61F2H>
Message-ID: <8005c034-e638-bffd-f1f9-dcfa8ecaf8f4@montac.com>

On behalf of time nuts and plain 'ole OCDers everywhere....   *Thank
you, thank you, thanks you!!!*

______________________
Clay Autery, KY5G

On 6/9/2017 1:27 PM, Tom wrote:
> 5) There is now an option in the User Preferences section which if selected will auto - synchronize the radio clock to your computer clock.
>
>
> 73 Tom
> va2fsq.com
>

From sjl219 at optonline.net  Fri Jun  9 19:21:51 2017
From: sjl219 at optonline.net (stan levandowski)
Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2017 19:21:51 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Elecraft] {KX1} Antenna Matching Question
In-Reply-To: <d843bf1c-f10c-91ac-ab23-1c472d69993e@foothill.net>
References: <2db6ad04.62ca1.15c8ea432a7.Webtop.55@optonline.net>
	<d843bf1c-f10c-91ac-ab23-1c472d69993e@foothill.net>
Message-ID: <68e0953d.a108e.15c8f29f964.Webtop.32@optonline.net>

Skip, thanks for your suggestion. ?It's another option I can try. ?The 
KX1 works just fine with a resonant dipole, vertical with radials, mag 
loops, doublet with the BL2, etc. ?But all these other antennas require 
more effort. ?


The beauty of "just wire" means I can stuff it into my pocket, load the 
KX1 up with 8 AA batteries, stick earphones in the other pocket and let 
the magic begin!


I have a KX2 for more "Serious" operating!! ?The (now discontinued) KX1 
is just for pure SIMPLE FUN.


Thanks for contributing another idea I can try.


73, Stan WB2LQF





On Fri, Jun 09, 2017 at 06:15 PM, Fred Jensen wrote:

> I no longer have my KX1 but it got a lot of use when I did.  I had the 
> 40/30/20 and KXAT1 options, the 30/80 hadn't been invented when I 
> bought mine and life is too short for 2.5 watts on 80 anyway.  I made 
> an end-fed wire out of 23 ft [7 m] of RG-58 by:
>
> 1.  Putting a male BNC on the end
>
> 2.  Stripping the outer black covering off to within 2 in [~5 cm] of 
> the BNC
>
> 3.  Pulling the center conductor [still insulated] through the shield 
> braid at the BNC.  This is easily done if you push the braid down to 
> loosen it and then spread it, kink the center conductor, and push it 
> through.
>
> When pulled tight without the center conductor, the braid 
> [counterpoise] will become somewhat longer than the center conductor 
> ... maybe 5-10%.  Wire goes into tree or telescoping mast, braid lays 
> out on the ground.  Tuned SWR on my 3 bands ran around 1.3:1, 20 was 
> often 1:1.  The tuned SWR on 40 was a bit dependent on how I ran the 
> counterpoise in relation to the antenna, but the effect was small.  I 
> seemed to get better on-air results with the wire sloping from a tree 
> or pole rather than nearly vertical, but that too was a small effect 
> and probably subjective.  I kept this antenna rolled up on a camp 
> clothesline reel in my KX1 bag.  It went with the KX1 when I sold it.
>
> I used a Buddipole for several years in places where I didn't have to 
> carry it very far [heavy], but it was touchy to set up and my 
> "recipes" that worked in the pasture at home never worked at my field 
> sites so set-up took 30-45 min.  I finally switched to a mag loop 
> [Alexloop] on a sprinkler tripod which works super with my K2.
>
> 2:1 isn't terrible considering that you don't have any transmission 
> line loss.  Space limitations in the KX1 dictate that the KXAT1 can 
> have only a limited number of L-C combos [64?], your match may be in 
> between two of them.
>
> 73,
>
> Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
> Sparks NV DM09dn
> Washoe County
>
> On 6/9/17 1:55 PM, stan levandowski wrote:
>> When following the instruction in the KXAT1 manual and using a wire 
>> between 24-28 feet and a 16' counterpoise for 40 and an 8' 
>> counterpoise for 20, the best I can ever get is a 1.6 SWR on 20 and 
>> 2.8 SWR on 40.
>>
>> I've spent lots of time shortening and lengthening wires and writing 
>> down results and I can't hit the magic combination.
>>
>> The manual also makes it clear on page 8 that a 1:1 SWR is NOT 
>> necessary for good performance.  I believe this because the little 
>> KX1 makes me plenty of contacts with this setup, including DX.
>>
>> I suppose I could just be happy....
>>
>> However, it bothers me that these SWRs are the best I can do. I don't 
>> like seeing these high ratios on the display.   I built this KX1 but 
>> had Don Wilhelm build and install the 30/80 module for me.  As part 
>> of his service, he went over my KX1 and told me that it was up to 
>> spec.
>>
>> So my question is:  Has any KX1 user out there figured out a wire 
>> length, length and number of counterpoises, etc. that gives a better 
>> match with the KXAT1's capabilities??
>>
>> When I say I use a wire, I mean I throw it up into a tree and get it 
>> as vertical and possible, then I lay out the counterpoise wires and 
>> it all attaches directly to the KX1 with a dual binding post.  Just 
>> real simple!
>>
>> Thanks for any words of advice and 73,
>> Stan WB2LQF
>
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From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Fri Jun  9 19:33:58 2017
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2017 19:33:58 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KX1 frequency display issue
In-Reply-To: <356B89D4-6514-4D18-8340-E733B8CB69B0@gmail.com>
References: <356B89D4-6514-4D18-8340-E733B8CB69B0@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c552a247-6e37-7bf7-bd95-4ee68486d722@embarqmail.com>

Paul,

At first glance, I would attribute that behavior to RF Feedback, but 
since I assume the KX1 was in receive when that happened, RF Feedback is 
out of the picture.

I would be suspicious of the encoder itself and would be inclined to 
replace it.

However, the fact that it works fine into a dummy load negates that thought.

You might want to try a Reset To Factory Defaults, but first record ALL 
the menu settings in your KX1, especially the BFO and DDS and SIG menu 
settings.  Restore those settings after the reset.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 6/9/2017 10:39 AM, Paul Huff wrote:
> My 3-band (40, 30, 20) KX-1 with built-in antenna tuner has given me faithful service for portable operations for the past 11 years but yesterday an issue developed.
> 
> I had just completed a QSO on 40-meters (about 7.038) and started to turn the tuning knob up the band.  After a couple of turns the digital frequency display went blank.  When I reversed direction and tuned down the band the display returned but again, after several turns it went blank.  I turned the radio off and back on and got the same results - after a few turns of the tuning knob in either direction the frequency display would blank out.  So I shut my operation down and headed home.  I should add that I had inadvertently done some transmitting for two or three minutes on 20-meters with a rather high SWR before my QSO on 40.  The antenna match on 30 and 40 meters was very good.

From sjl219 at optonline.net  Fri Jun  9 19:37:10 2017
From: sjl219 at optonline.net (stan levandowski)
Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2017 19:37:10 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Elecraft] KX-1 antenna matching
In-Reply-To: <20170609222217108@smtp618.redcondor.net>
References: <20170609222217108@smtp618.redcondor.net>
Message-ID: <6865c41c.a10a2.15c8f37fd56.Webtop.32@optonline.net>

Rick, thanks for your input from way up there in Alaska! ?The KXAT1 
manual suggested (actually "stated") 1/8 wavelength minimum 
counterpoises per band and that's where the 8 foot wire for 20M came 
from. ?Also, my counterpoises have not always been on the earth; 
sometimes raised by a foot or so.?


I think I'll scrounge up some wire, some alligator clips and make up 
some "extensions" like you described and do some testing tomorrow. ?I 
also like your idea about clipping it to a metal picnic table. ?Today, I 
was operating from a very large (8 foot) and heavy wrought iron picnic 
table on my rear deck. ?Never thought about trying that! ?I've got a 
nice large central air compressor nearby also but that might introduce 
RFI. ?Still, might be worth a quick clip-up to see.


Thanks, Stan WB2LQF


On Fri, Jun 09, 2017 at 07:22 PM, Frederick Dwight wrote:

> Stan,
>      I have used a kx 1 for thousands of QSO?s many in the field on 
> 40, 30, and 20 meters.  My usual field antenna is a 26 ft piece of 
> wire and one or two 17 counterpoise wires.  If the counterpoise 
> (radial) wires are laying directly on the ground, usually I get a very 
> good match on all 3 bands.  If part or all of the counterpoise/radial 
> wire is elevated, then sometimes I clip on an extension of about 8 
> feet to get a better match if the SWR is higher than about 2:1 
> (probably only necessary on 40 meters sometimes).  Occasionally for 40 
> meter elevated counterpoise operation I have even used a single 34 ft 
> counterpoise wire if I happen to have one available?.not likely when 
> backpacking.  I would just use your 16 or 17 ft counterpoise for 20 
> meters?it might improve your 1.6:1 SWR, however I still have my 
> original PA transistor and have often operated with SWR?s around 2:1 
> or higher, however my goal is to try not to exceed about 2:1. Usually 
> I can get SWR down somewhere between 1:1 and and perhaps 1.9:1 (just a 
> guess) on 40 meters, and often about the same or even slightly better 
> on 20 and 30 meters.  I always carry a 8 ft piece of wire with a big 
> clip on the end.  Often clipping it to a metal picnic table, guard 
> rail, chain link fence, or car body either instead of a radial, or in 
> addition to one and get satisfactory performance.  If I use an 
> elevated counterpoise?then I clip the 8 ft wire onto the end of my 17 
> ft counterpoise for better matching on 40 and possibly 30 meters.  I 
> see no reason to just use a 8 ft counterpoise or radial wire for 20, a 
> 16 or 17 wire should be better on all the bands. Occasionally I lay 
> down two 17 ft radial wires on the ground if I have them and there is 
> room.  Some of my attempts at modeling showed slightly improved 
> performance.  If I have a preferred direction I often lay them down in 
> roughly that quadrant.  The theory is it may slightly help in that 
> direction, but more important it may eliminate a very slight null 
> opposite to the desired direction.  This is my unproved theory only 
> since it would be nearly impossible to measure something like a dB or 
> so.
>            This is usually the only antenna I carry for backpacking, 
> or travel around the US or Europe.  Something like a linked dipole 
> (usually set up as an inverted V) will often perform significantly 
> better, however I much prefer something like the 26 ft wire?.5 minutes 
> to set up and lots of time to operate vs. an hour set up and less 
> operating time.
>             Rick  KL7CW   Palmer, Alaska
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>
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From nr4c at widomaker.com  Fri Jun  9 20:09:26 2017
From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c)
Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2017 20:09:26 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3/P3 external power source
In-Reply-To: <6F472E7E-0D5A-4E63-900C-C478BB63587F@gmail.com>
References: <8AFD4947-DE8C-4851-B02C-747DC4FF7E8A@gmail.com>
	<1496859795248-7631475.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<3791702A-2ED1-4623-82B0-1751E219E084@gmail.com>
	<1496860842461-7631478.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<6F472E7E-0D5A-4E63-900C-C478BB63587F@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B5304B65-1598-4D8D-961D-9FC0B3F74D43@widomaker.com>

I believe a fully charged 4S LiPo battery will exceed the max input voltage of a KX3!

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill


> On Jun 7, 2017, at 3:11 PM, GRANT YOUNGMAN <ghyoungman at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I think a low voltage cutoff (or at least an alarm) with LiFe is a good idea, especially if you have other devices besides the radio directly connected to the battery, like a KX3, other 12v or USB-powered thingies, etc..  I currently use a Buddipole PowerMini which is a compact battery monitor, low voltage alarm/cutoff, and solar charge controller all in one.  There are other options out there, of course.
> 
> 
>> On Jun 7, 2017, at 2:40 PM, Bob N3MNT <bob at hogbytes.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I don't think you have to worry about "C-rating" running a KX3.  You are not
>> drawing 20-80A, but  more like 2-3A.  As for low voltage cut off, you can
>> set that in radio or use an external power /voltage meter to monitor it.  
>> 
> 
> Grant NQ5T
> K3 #2091, KX3 #8342
> 
> 
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From ghyoungman at gmail.com  Fri Jun  9 20:36:47 2017
From: ghyoungman at gmail.com (GRANT YOUNGMAN)
Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2017 20:36:47 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3/P3 external power source
In-Reply-To: <B5304B65-1598-4D8D-961D-9FC0B3F74D43@widomaker.com>
References: <8AFD4947-DE8C-4851-B02C-747DC4FF7E8A@gmail.com>
	<1496859795248-7631475.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<3791702A-2ED1-4623-82B0-1751E219E084@gmail.com>
	<1496860842461-7631478.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<6F472E7E-0D5A-4E63-900C-C478BB63587F@gmail.com>
	<B5304B65-1598-4D8D-961D-9FC0B3F74D43@widomaker.com>
Message-ID: <B21ED59C-6B5E-4B7B-BEA3-91B0DA8A42D5@gmail.com>

A fully charged 4S LiFePO4 battery will be about 14v.  Well within the KX3 limits. 


> On Jun 9, 2017, at 8:09 PM, Nr4c <nr4c at widomaker.com> wrote:
> 
> I believe a fully charged 4S LiPo battery will exceed the max input voltage of a KX3!
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> ...nr4c. bill
> 
> 
> 

Grant NQ5T
K3 #2091, KX3 #8342




From sjl219 at optonline.net  Fri Jun  9 20:59:15 2017
From: sjl219 at optonline.net (stan levandowski)
Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2017 20:59:15 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Elecraft] KX-1 antenna matching
In-Reply-To: <6865c41c.a10a2.15c8f37fd56.Webtop.32@optonline.net>
References: <20170609222217108@smtp618.redcondor.net>
	<6865c41c.a10a2.15c8f37fd56.Webtop.32@optonline.net>
Message-ID: <6b73c114.a2147.15c8f8325cd.Webtop.50@optonline.net>

Thank you to all who offered suggestions, all of which helped me solve 
this nagging problem.


I bought a 33' tape measure from Harbor Freight. ?I scrapped off the 
paint at the end, drilled a 3/16" hole and put a bolt, a couple of 
washers and a two nuts on it. ?Then I cut a 5' piece of wire and 
attached one end to the tape measure and the other end to the black BNC 
terminal on the KX1.


I did not fiddle around with the 25 foot radiator.


I laid the tape measure right on the grass.


By adjusting the tape measure - now I knew exactly how much counterpoise 
was being deployed and it was infinitely adjustable - I was able to get 
1:1 SWRs on 40, 30 and 20 meters.


I found that 31 feet on the tape measure + the 5 foot connecting wire 
worked best as a single compromise counterpoise length for all three 
bands -- with this 36 foot length I got 1:1 on 40M, 1.3 on 30M and 1.2 
on 20M.


73, Stan WB2LQF








From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Fri Jun  9 22:16:36 2017
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2017 21:16:36 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] {KX1} Antenna Matching Question
In-Reply-To: <2db6ad04.62ca1.15c8ea432a7.Webtop.55@optonline.net>
References: <2db6ad04.62ca1.15c8ea432a7.Webtop.55@optonline.net>
Message-ID: <5c8b2d5b-2fbb-53ef-1abe-4da4b98007d1@blomand.net>

I've never been concerned about a SWR of 3:1 or less on HF.  Even with a 
3:1 SWR, depending on feed line loss, most of the power is reflected 
back to the antenna and is radiated.  Now if the length of feedline has 
3 dB of loss at the given frequency, then approximately 1/2 of the 
reflected power arrives back at the antenna.  Hence the reason to use 
good to very good low loss feedline.

73

Bob, K4TAX

K3S #10163




On 6/9/2017 3:55 PM, stan levandowski wrote:
> When following the instruction in the KXAT1 manual and using a wire 
> between 24-28 feet and a 16' counterpoise for 40 and an 8' 
> counterpoise for 20, the best I can ever get is a 1.6 SWR on 20 and 
> 2.8 SWR on 40.
>
> I've spent lots of time shortening and lengthening wires and writing 
> down results and I can't hit the magic combination.
>
>
> The manual also makes it clear on page 8 that a 1:1 SWR is NOT 
> necessary for good performance.  I believe this because the little KX1 
> makes me plenty of contacts with this setup, including DX.
>
>
> I suppose I could just be happy....
>
>
> However, it bothers me that these SWRs are the best I can do. I don't 
> like seeing these high ratios on the display.   I built this KX1 but 
> had Don Wilhelm build and install the 30/80 module for me.  As part of 
> his service, he went over my KX1 and told me that it was up to spec.
>
>
> So my question is:  Has any KX1 user out there figured out a wire 
> length, length and number of counterpoises, etc. that gives a better 
> match with the KXAT1's capabilities??
>
>
> When I say I use a wire, I mean I throw it up into a tree and get it 
> as vertical and possible, then I lay out the counterpoise wires and it 
> all attaches directly to the KX1 with a dual binding post.  Just real 
> simple!
>
>
> Thanks for any words of advice and 73,
> Stan WB2LQF
>
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From kl7cw at mtaonline.net  Fri Jun  9 23:52:37 2017
From: kl7cw at mtaonline.net (Frederick Dwight)
Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2017 18:52:37 -0900
Subject: [Elecraft] kx1 antenna matching
Message-ID: <20170610025230764@smtp754.redcondor.net>

Stan,
     Congratulations on getting your antenna working on all 3 bands.  The 25 ft radiator is a very good length for 30 and 20 meters and good enough for 40.  With the radiator vertical, sloped, or set up as an inverted L you should get many good QSO?s often from 600 miles to around 2000 miles, depending upon band and conditions.  QRP DX on 20 and 30 of well over 2000 miles will sometimes be possible, but often with poor signal reports.  However much of my fun has been rag chewing with stations on 40 meters lets say less than 600 miles away.  Sometimes I used the 25 ft sloped so it is partially horizontal and sometimes use an elevated 34 ft counterpoise wire which I throw over a tree branch, or even lay on top of bushes.  Operation from the UK, especially in the non summer months, often in the daytime, was very productive, especially from something like 200 miles to roughly 500 miles?..many long rag chews on 40 to the Netherlands, France, and occasionally to the opposite corner of the UK.  Sometimes late afternoon or nighttime conditions are OK also.  We are now in the low part of the sunspot cycle, so not sure how this will work.  DX on 20 with the radiator vertical (or mostly vertical) is not too hard to work, but QSO?s are often ?RST 339, tnx QSO 73?s?.  Do consider half wave end fed antennas with a good matching device?many QRP folks really like them?I do not have much experience, but they have worked fine the few times I tried them.  A linked dipole is what I set up if I am going to be in a contest, or am operating for a long time, especially if there is a tree support for the center of the inverted V at least something like 25 feet high.  This will give you some good moderate angle radiation for good coverage out to say 1500 miles ROUGHLY on 40 and some real DX is possible on 20, especially when conditions are very good.  
                Rick  KL7CW

Sent from Mail for Windows 10


From nu4c at bellsouth.net  Fri Jun  9 20:01:52 2017
From: nu4c at bellsouth.net (Paul)
Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2017 20:01:52 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 error message help needed
Message-ID: <16sa0k7aom0nd63no4jfa0c2.1497052912893@email.android.com>

My K3 displays ERR KEY when it is turned on. I've been away from it since this morning and it was working FB then. It will not xmit now. I searched thru the Cady book but no joy. Can anyone provide advice (ok help) to get back to normal operation.73Paul nu4c


Sent from my Galaxy Tab? A

From jmgreen2 at mchsi.com  Sat Jun 10 10:29:31 2017
From: jmgreen2 at mchsi.com (John Green)
Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2017 10:29:31 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 error message help needed
In-Reply-To: <JhLfdC6n98hkIJhLidagj4>
Message-ID: <2042119651.65763459.1497104971387.JavaMail.zimbra@mchsi.com>

Paul, Is your key or bug closed. I believe that will give err key message. 

WA9HUP 
John 

----- Original Message -----

From: "Paul" <nu4c at bellsouth.net> 
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net 
Sent: Friday, June 9, 2017 8:01:52 PM 
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 error message help needed 

My K3 displays ERR KEY when it is turned on. I've been away from it since this morning and it was working FB then. It will not xmit now. I searched thru the Cady book but no joy. Can anyone provide advice (ok help) to get back to normal operation.73Paul nu4c 


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From jim at jtmiller.com  Sat Jun 10 10:48:09 2017
From: jim at jtmiller.com (Jim Miller)
Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2017 10:48:09 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Preamps in K3s
Message-ID: <CACYeN9yNZe6wmFzRHPprU0fccmh+NxYq28RiNEOnpwspt2K4dA@mail.gmail.com>

I'm confused a bit about how the Preamps in my K3s work.

When Preamp2 is engaged are the preamps stacked for a total of 30db
additional gain or does the Preamp2 engagement disengage Preamp1 for a
total of 20dB?

Or perhaps they are both engaged for a total of 20db with Pre2 boosting
over Pre1 by 10db?

73

jim ab3cv

From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Sat Jun 10 11:22:25 2017
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2017 10:22:25 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Preamps in K3s
In-Reply-To: <CACYeN9yNZe6wmFzRHPprU0fccmh+NxYq28RiNEOnpwspt2K4dA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACYeN9yNZe6wmFzRHPprU0fccmh+NxYq28RiNEOnpwspt2K4dA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <33332BC2-1BF2-49E4-A118-0B7344BBF6DB@blomand.net>

I had to refer to the manual for this.  Pre 1 is available for all bands and has 10 dB gain.  Pre 2 is available for 12/10/6 M and has 20 dB gain.  They are not stacked. 

Bob, K4TAX


Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 10, 2017, at 9:48 AM, Jim Miller <jim at jtmiller.com> wrote:
> 
> I'm confused a bit about how the Preamps in my K3s work.
> 
> When Preamp2 is engaged are the preamps stacked for a total of 30db
> additional gain or does the Preamp2 engagement disengage Preamp1 for a
> total of 20dB?
> 
> Or perhaps they are both engaged for a total of 20db with Pre2 boosting
> over Pre1 by 10db?
> 
> 73
> 
> jim ab3cv
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From jtmiller47 at gmail.com  Sat Jun 10 11:31:09 2017
From: jtmiller47 at gmail.com (Jim Miller)
Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2017 11:31:09 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Preamps in K3s
In-Reply-To: <33332BC2-1BF2-49E4-A118-0B7344BBF6DB@blomand.net>
References: <CACYeN9yNZe6wmFzRHPprU0fccmh+NxYq28RiNEOnpwspt2K4dA@mail.gmail.com>
	<33332BC2-1BF2-49E4-A118-0B7344BBF6DB@blomand.net>
Message-ID: <8989FBB7-375B-4901-BB88-E8A5C890226B@gmail.com>

I likewise read all info in the K3s manual. Your interpretation is one that could be true but it isn't spelled out. 

73

Jim ab3cv 

On Jun 10, 2017, at 11:22 AM, Bob McGraw K4TAX <rmcgraw at blomand.net> wrote:

I had to refer to the manual for this.  Pre 1 is available for all bands and has 10 dB gain.  Pre 2 is available for 12/10/6 M and has 20 dB gain.  They are not stacked. 

Bob, K4TAX


Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 10, 2017, at 9:48 AM, Jim Miller <jim at jtmiller.com> wrote:
> 
> I'm confused a bit about how the Preamps in my K3s work.
> 
> When Preamp2 is engaged are the preamps stacked for a total of 30db
> additional gain or does the Preamp2 engagement disengage Preamp1 for a
> total of 20dB?
> 
> Or perhaps they are both engaged for a total of 20db with Pre2 boosting
> over Pre1 by 10db?
> 
> 73
> 
> jim ab3cv
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From kstover at ac0h.net  Sat Jun 10 11:38:00 2017
From: kstover at ac0h.net (Kevin Stover, AC0H)
Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2017 10:38:00 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3/P3 external power source
In-Reply-To: <973566327.6685200.1496967756620@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <8AFD4947-DE8C-4851-B02C-747DC4FF7E8A@gmail.com>
	<1496859795248-7631475.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<3791702A-2ED1-4623-82B0-1751E219E084@gmail.com>
	<03440a55-f23b-af26-6f9a-e51f8766c4b6@foothill.net>
	<e0ecfc2c-aad4-9c79-c6b2-5ec952704973@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<B79A68C7-EE7C-4DB4-BF8B-02E7D2502AB4@elde.net>
	<1496955437701-7631500.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<973566327.6685200.1496967756620@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <81740cbd-b26e-bb46-9a49-8351fe6037d0@ac0h.net>

It all depends on chemistry.

The "rules" we had for NiCd and NiMH don't apply anymore. 
Generalizations about batteries will get people in trouble with Li chem 
batteries. If not a fire then possibly a ruined battery pack or worse, 
radio.

As an anecdote. I witnessed a HAZMAT training session 15 years ago that 
the local fire department put on. It involved an early Li battery, about 
the size of a quarter, and a fire in a galvanized steel bucket. When the 
Li cell reached the proper temperature, BOOM! The steel bucket ended up 
looking like a Mum.

Li chem batteries are much safer now but I still wouldn't put any IN an 
expensive radio.



-- 
R. Kevin Stover    AC0H
FISTS #11993
SKCC #215
NAQCC #3441
ARRL

From donovanf at starpower.net  Sat Jun 10 12:13:17 2017
From: donovanf at starpower.net (donovanf at starpower.net)
Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2017 12:13:17 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Elecraft] Preamps in K3s
In-Reply-To: <8989FBB7-375B-4901-BB88-E8A5C890226B@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1685878374.4595308.1497111197872.JavaMail.root@starpower.net>

Hi Jim, 


Fred Cady's excellent K3 Manual, 3rd edition, spells it out in detail in Table 7-3. 


"The firmware prevents you from making these choices. 
The hardware cannot handle a 30 dB preamplification." 


73 
Frank 
W3LPL 




----- Original Message -----

From: "Jim Miller" <jtmiller47 at gmail.com> 
To: "Bob McGraw K4TAX" <rmcgraw at blomand.net> 
Cc: "Elecraft Reflector" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> 
Sent: Saturday, June 10, 2017 3:31:09 PM 
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Preamps in K3s 

I likewise read all info in the K3s manual. Your interpretation is one that could be true but it isn't spelled out. 

73 

Jim ab3cv 

On Jun 10, 2017, at 11:22 AM, Bob McGraw K4TAX <rmcgraw at blomand.net> wrote: 

I had to refer to the manual for this. Pre 1 is available for all bands and has 10 dB gain. Pre 2 is available for 12/10/6 M and has 20 dB gain. They are not stacked. 

Bob, K4TAX 


Sent from my iPhone 

> On Jun 10, 2017, at 9:48 AM, Jim Miller <jim at jtmiller.com> wrote: 
> 
> I'm confused a bit about how the Preamps in my K3s work. 
> 
> When Preamp2 is engaged are the preamps stacked for a total of 30db 
> additional gain or does the Preamp2 engagement disengage Preamp1 for a 
> total of 20dB? 
> 
> Or perhaps they are both engaged for a total of 20db with Pre2 boosting 
> over Pre1 by 10db? 
> 
> 73 
> 
> jim ab3cv 
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From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Sat Jun 10 12:31:30 2017
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2017 12:31:30 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 error message help needed
In-Reply-To: <16sa0k7aom0nd63no4jfa0c2.1497052912893@email.android.com>
References: <16sa0k7aom0nd63no4jfa0c2.1497052912893@email.android.com>
Message-ID: <a4bba8ce-e3dd-f843-31bd-a1e332df2dd1@embarqmail.com>

Paul,

Something is closing either the key or paddles or PTT - if you have the 
RS-232 port set to key or PTT fom either DTR or RTS, that is a possible 
cause as well.
Disconnect everything from the K3 except power and the antenna and power 
it on.  Replace things one at a time to see which brings the problem back.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 6/9/2017 8:01 PM, Paul wrote:
> My K3 displays ERR KEY when it is turned on. I've been away from it since this morning and it was working FB then. It will not xmit now. I searched thru the Cady book but no joy. Can anyone provide advice (ok help) to get back to normal operation.73Paul nu4c

From fcady at montana.edu  Sat Jun 10 12:57:03 2017
From: fcady at montana.edu (Cady, Fred)
Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2017 16:57:03 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Preamps in K3s
In-Reply-To: <1685878374.4595308.1497111197872.JavaMail.root@starpower.net>
References: <8989FBB7-375B-4901-BB88-E8A5C890226B@gmail.com>,
	<1685878374.4595308.1497111197872.JavaMail.root@starpower.net>
Message-ID: <BN6PR02MB31397A401D2DEE225B1A8C02AFCF0@BN6PR02MB3139.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>

Thanks Frank.

Note that with K3 firmware 5.58 and above, preamp 2 is usable on 17-6 m.

cheers,

Fred KE7X


For all KE7X Elecraft books, see www.ke7x.com


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From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> on behalf of donovanf at starpower.net <donovanf at starpower.net>
Sent: Saturday, June 10, 2017 10:13 AM
To: Elecraft Reflector
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Preamps in K3s

Hi Jim,


Fred Cady's excellent K3 Manual, 3rd edition, spells it out in detail in Table 7-3.


"The firmware prevents you from making these choices.
The hardware cannot handle a 30 dB preamplification."


73
Frank
W3LPL




----- Original Message -----

From: "Jim Miller" <jtmiller47 at gmail.com>
To: "Bob McGraw K4TAX" <rmcgraw at blomand.net>
Cc: "Elecraft Reflector" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Saturday, June 10, 2017 3:31:09 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Preamps in K3s

I likewise read all info in the K3s manual. Your interpretation is one that could be true but it isn't spelled out.

73

Jim ab3cv

On Jun 10, 2017, at 11:22 AM, Bob McGraw K4TAX <rmcgraw at blomand.net> wrote:

I had to refer to the manual for this. Pre 1 is available for all bands and has 10 dB gain. Pre 2 is available for 12/10/6 M and has 20 dB gain. They are not stacked.

Bob, K4TAX


Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 10, 2017, at 9:48 AM, Jim Miller <jim at jtmiller.com> wrote:
>
> I'm confused a bit about how the Preamps in my K3s work.
>
> When Preamp2 is engaged are the preamps stacked for a total of 30db
> additional gain or does the Preamp2 engagement disengage Preamp1 for a
> total of 20dB?
>
> Or perhaps they are both engaged for a total of 20db with Pre2 boosting
> over Pre1 by 10db?
>
> 73
>
> jim ab3cv
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From alsopb at comcast.net  Sat Jun 10 13:52:53 2017
From: alsopb at comcast.net (brian)
Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2017 17:52:53 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 V5.6 beta FW doesn't ....
Message-ID: <593C31F5.4020505@comcast.net>

allow access of PREAMP 2 on 15 & 17M.

The notes seem to indicate it should.

This is on an 8xxx S/N K3 with upgrades.
Preamp 2 still shows up on 12-6M.

73 de Brian/K3KO

From fcady at montana.edu  Sat Jun 10 14:06:16 2017
From: fcady at montana.edu (Cady, Fred)
Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2017 18:06:16 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Preamps in K3s
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Hi Brian,

You have to go to 17 and 15 meters and go into the CONFIG:PREAMP2 menu and turn it on for those bands.

Cheers,

Fred KE7X


________________________________
From: brian <alsopb at comcast.net>
Sent: Saturday, June 10, 2017 11:49 AM
To: Cady, Fred
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Preamps in K3s

Fred,

Can't find 5.58 anywhere.  After 5.57 comes 5.60 on the ELECRAFT
webpage.  5.6 doesn't access preamps on 15,17M here.

I know there was a pre-release version that had these bands but there
evidently were some small remaining problems to be fixed.

Installed 5.60 on my upgraded K3 (which has PREAMP2 on 10/6M working).
Preamp2 does not show up on 17, 15.  It still does on 12-6M.

73 de Brian/K3KO



On 6/10/2017 16:57 PM, Cady, Fred wrote:
> Thanks Frank.
>
> Note that with K3 firmware 5.58 and above, preamp 2 is usable on 17-6 m.
>
> cheers,
>
> Fred KE7X
>
>
> For all KE7X Elecraft books, see www.ke7x.com<http://www.ke7x.com>
>
>
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> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> on behalf of donovanf at starpower.net <donovanf at starpower.net>
> Sent: Saturday, June 10, 2017 10:13 AM
> To: Elecraft Reflector
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Preamps in K3s
>
> Hi Jim,
>
>
> Fred Cady's excellent K3 Manual, 3rd edition, spells it out in detail in Table 7-3.
>
>
> "The firmware prevents you from making these choices.
> The hardware cannot handle a 30 dB preamplification."
>
>
> 73
> Frank
> W3LPL
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: "Jim Miller" <jtmiller47 at gmail.com>
> To: "Bob McGraw K4TAX" <rmcgraw at blomand.net>
> Cc: "Elecraft Reflector" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Sent: Saturday, June 10, 2017 3:31:09 PM
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Preamps in K3s
>
> I likewise read all info in the K3s manual. Your interpretation is one that could be true but it isn't spelled out.
>
> 73
>
> Jim ab3cv
>
> On Jun 10, 2017, at 11:22 AM, Bob McGraw K4TAX <rmcgraw at blomand.net> wrote:
>
> I had to refer to the manual for this. Pre 1 is available for all bands and has 10 dB gain. Pre 2 is available for 12/10/6 M and has 20 dB gain. They are not stacked.
>
> Bob, K4TAX
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jun 10, 2017, at 9:48 AM, Jim Miller <jim at jtmiller.com> wrote:
>>
>> I'm confused a bit about how the Preamps in my K3s work.
>>
>> When Preamp2 is engaged are the preamps stacked for a total of 30db
>> additional gain or does the Preamp2 engagement disengage Preamp1 for a
>> total of 20dB?
>>
>> Or perhaps they are both engaged for a total of 20db with Pre2 boosting
>> over Pre1 by 10db?
>>
>> 73
>>
>> jim ab3cv
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From fcady at montana.edu  Sat Jun 10 14:07:23 2017
From: fcady at montana.edu (Cady, Fred)
Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2017 18:07:23 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 V5.6 beta FW doesn't ....
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You have to go to 17 and 15 meters and go into the CONFIG:PREAMP2 menu and turn it on for those bands.

Cheers,

Fred KE7X



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Sent: Saturday, June 10, 2017 11:52 AM
To: Elecraft Reflector
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 V5.6 beta FW doesn't ....

allow access of PREAMP 2 on 15 & 17M.

The notes seem to indicate it should.

This is on an 8xxx S/N K3 with upgrades.
Preamp 2 still shows up on 12-6M.

73 de Brian/K3KO
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From stan.gw3srm at uwclub.net  Sat Jun 10 14:40:29 2017
From: stan.gw3srm at uwclub.net (Stan GW3SRM)
Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2017 19:40:29 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] Counterpoises and Grounding
Message-ID: <B419527DEC9A4B648BD873D83BB3EC67@stanPC>

I note that the subject of counterpoises has been debated many times in this
forum but I have not seen the subject of tuneable artificial grounds
discussed. As no doubt many are aware, operating from a location remote from
the ground has its problems in ensuring effective grounding, especially with
end fed wire antennas. I have this problem as I operate from an upstairs
shack. I have overcome the difficulty by using a tuneable counterpoise
arrangement in conjunction with my end fed wire antenna. The EFW antenna is
approximately 66ft (20m) long and the counterpoise wire 16ft (5m).

Using my homebrew AGT and my KX3 is a simple process to tune for resonance.
a) Tune to the desired frequency using the internal KX3 auto tuner. b) Tune
for maximum current using the AGT meter (low power recommended for tuning).
Repeat the process as necessary to obtain best match. Usually 1:0 or 1:1
(KX3 reading). I only operate with 5 or 10 Watts. Apart from overcoming
grounding problems you get a resonate grounding system not an approximately
resonate one as used in most circumstances. This in my view, is a suitable
compromise in overcoming difficult grounding conditions, although I do not
advocate it in preference to an extensive grounding system where conditions
permit. One point to note is that if an external power supply is used the
output must be isolated from ground and suitable precautions taken against
lighting strikes. Many designs for simple homebrew AFT projects are
available on the web and MFJ also do one commercially. Obviously different
or different multiple lengths of counterpoise wires can be used to get the
best setup with your antenna.

 

73 Stan GW3SRM

 

 


From alsopb at comcast.net  Sat Jun 10 14:55:20 2017
From: alsopb at comcast.net (brian)
Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2017 18:55:20 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 V5.6 beta FW doesn't ....
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Fred,
That of course works.
getting 15 db P2 gain on 17M and 17 db on 15M.
12M shows 20 db P2 gain.

Can finally hears some noise on 15M.

73 & TU
Brian/K3KO


On 6/10/2017 18:07 PM, Cady, Fred wrote:
> You have to go to 17 and 15 meters and go into the CONFIG:PREAMP2 menu
> and turn it on for those bands.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Fred KE7X
>
>
>
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> *Subject:* [Elecraft] K3 V5.6 beta FW doesn't ....
> allow access of PREAMP 2 on 15 & 17M.
>
> The notes seem to indicate it should.
>
> This is on an 8xxx S/N K3 with upgrades.
> Preamp 2 still shows up on 12-6M.
>
> 73 de Brian/K3KO
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From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Sat Jun 10 15:10:58 2017
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2017 12:10:58 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Counterpoises and Grounding
In-Reply-To: <B419527DEC9A4B648BD873D83BB3EC67@stanPC>
References: <B419527DEC9A4B648BD873D83BB3EC67@stanPC>
Message-ID: <19b3cc32-525d-8adc-7fdd-ffeabcb71252@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On Sat,6/10/2017 11:40 AM, Stan GW3SRM wrote:
> I note that the subject of counterpoises has been debated many times in this
> forum but I have not seen the subject of tuneable artificial grounds
> discussed.

Fundamental concepts like this are very well addressed in the classic 
references on antennas. Your use of the word "counterpoise" is precisely 
correct. Your use of the word "ground" is absolutely and totally WRONG.

A connection to Mother Earth does NOT make a transmitting antenna work 
better. The earth is a big resistor. Shoving TX RF into it wastes TX 
power by warming worms.

What IS needed, no matter where you operate, is a return for antenna 
current -- SOMETHING to act as the other half of the antenna. Antennas 
like a dipole inherently provide that; with an end fed antenna, we must 
supply that "other half," and the correct name for it is "counterpoise."

Transmitters are designed to work into some defined load Z, usually 50 
ohms, but with some tolerance. That tolerance is often defined by the 
apparent SWR as measured at the transmitter. The function of an antenna 
tuner is to transform the Z at the transmitter end of the feedline to 
the Z that the transmitter want to see -- that is, the Z into which it 
will provide the most power, and do so without stressing the output 
transistors or tubes. The so-called "artificial grounds" provide the 
same function, but in a different way -- they vary the electrical length 
of the counterpoise so that the combination of the "intentional antenna" 
(the end fed wire) and the counterpoise make the Z at the transmitter as 
close as possible to 50 ohms. This allows the TX to put power into the 
antenna. That counterpoise, whatever it is, is PART OF THE ANTENNA. And 
that's true whether we CALL it "ground" or counterpoise.

Another point. ALL end-fed antennas must put their return current 
SOMEWHERE. If we don't provide a "good" path  (like a good 
counterpoise), mother nature will take over and put the current where 
SHE wants it to go, like anything attached to the chassis of the 
transmitter. This can be a coax shield, the power system protective 
earth (green wire), a wire going to a ground rod, even telephone wiring 
or CATV wiring connected to that ground rod. (Remember, the earth is a 
big resistor). KK9H, a fairly smart engineer who is one of my old 
buddies in Chicago, intentionally uses the HVAC air ducts in his home as 
a counterpoise for a 160M wire. At my last Chicago QTH, I used a big 
wrought-iron fence running around the front of my lot as a counterpoise 
on 160 and 80 for a Tee-vertical.

A connection to mother earth is important for only two reasons. First, 
and most important, for lightning protection and electrical safety. 
Second, for SOME receiving antennas, where the resistance of the ground 
makes the antenna work, or where the loss of efficiency caused by adding 
the resistance to an RX antenna doesn't matter.

SO -- let's stop using (or thinking about) the word "ground" in 
conjunction with TX antennas, and in stead, talk (and think) of 
counterpoise.

73, Jim K9YC


From k6dgw at foothill.net  Sat Jun 10 15:21:46 2017
From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen)
Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2017 12:21:46 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3/P3 external power source
In-Reply-To: <B21ED59C-6B5E-4B7B-BEA3-91B0DA8A42D5@gmail.com>
References: <8AFD4947-DE8C-4851-B02C-747DC4FF7E8A@gmail.com>
	<1496859795248-7631475.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<3791702A-2ED1-4623-82B0-1751E219E084@gmail.com>
	<1496860842461-7631478.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<6F472E7E-0D5A-4E63-900C-C478BB63587F@gmail.com>
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Bill's observation was for LiPoly.  They're close to 4 V per cell.  3 
gave me around 11.7 to 11.8 fully charged, so 4 in series would be near 
16 V.  My 4S1P LiFePO4 right off the charger measures 13.8 V, but that 
drops to around 12.7 almost immediately after I apply a load.

73,

Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County


On 6/9/17 5:36 PM, GRANT YOUNGMAN wrote:
> A fully charged 4S LiFePO4 battery will be about 14v.  Well within the KX3 limits.
>
>
>> On Jun 9, 2017, at 8:09 PM, Nr4c <nr4c at widomaker.com> wrote:
>>
>> I believe a fully charged 4S LiPo battery will exceed the max input voltage of a KX3!
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> ...nr4c. bill
>>
>>
>>
> Grant NQ5T
> K3 #2091, KX3 #8342
>
>
>
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From fred at fmeco.com  Sat Jun 10 15:39:51 2017
From: fred at fmeco.com (Fred Moore)
Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2017 15:39:51 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Counterpoises and Grounding
In-Reply-To: <19b3cc32-525d-8adc-7fdd-ffeabcb71252@audiosystemsgroup.com>
References: <B419527DEC9A4B648BD873D83BB3EC67@stanPC>
	<19b3cc32-525d-8adc-7fdd-ffeabcb71252@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Message-ID: <7b26095b-29d0-3cf4-d3d4-d7e6ab78e828@fmeco.com>

Jim, lets stop talking about grounds totally when dealing with RF, it's
just a confusion factor when it comes to discussions.  unless we are
talking about as NEC and others when they correctly call it a "Safety
Ground" or a "Grounding Conductor" and make sure that everyone
understands the difference..  most don't

discussions should be about

Safety Grounds, and grounding conductors 100% about 60 cycle and DC currents
common connection points  100% about how the above are connected
counterpoises, radiating elements: deals 100% with RF and antenna's

etc.. properly understanding each one and you won't be confused at all..

I also disagree with your statement

"First, and most important, for lightning protection and electrical safety."

The first and most important item is an electrical Safety Ground as it
protects people, they can't be replaced.
Second is lightening protection, as it typically protects equipment. 
equipment can be replaced

They don't carry the same weighting factor.. as very few worldwide are
killed from lightning vs improper safety grounds.

most likely the only thing we don't agree on..  everything else you seem
spot on...  Regards.. Fred

Fred Moore
email: fred at fmeco.com
       wd8kni at gmail.com
phone: 321-217-8699

On 6/10/17 3:10 PM, Jim Brown wrote:
> On Sat,6/10/2017 11:40 AM, Stan GW3SRM wrote:
>> I note that the subject of counterpoises has been debated many times
>> in this
>> forum but I have not seen the subject of tuneable artificial grounds
>> discussed.
>
> Fundamental concepts like this are very well addressed in the classic
> references on antennas. Your use of the word "counterpoise" is
> precisely correct. Your use of the word "ground" is absolutely and
> totally WRONG.
>
> A connection to Mother Earth does NOT make a transmitting antenna work
> better. The earth is a big resistor. Shoving TX RF into it wastes TX
> power by warming worms.
>
> What IS needed, no matter where you operate, is a return for antenna
> current -- SOMETHING to act as the other half of the antenna. Antennas
> like a dipole inherently provide that; with an end fed antenna, we
> must supply that "other half," and the correct name for it is
> "counterpoise."
>
> Transmitters are designed to work into some defined load Z, usually 50
> ohms, but with some tolerance. That tolerance is often defined by the
> apparent SWR as measured at the transmitter. The function of an
> antenna tuner is to transform the Z at the transmitter end of the
> feedline to the Z that the transmitter want to see -- that is, the Z
> into which it will provide the most power, and do so without stressing
> the output transistors or tubes. The so-called "artificial grounds"
> provide the same function, but in a different way -- they vary the
> electrical length of the counterpoise so that the combination of the
> "intentional antenna" (the end fed wire) and the counterpoise make the
> Z at the transmitter as close as possible to 50 ohms. This allows the
> TX to put power into the antenna. That counterpoise, whatever it is,
> is PART OF THE ANTENNA. And that's true whether we CALL it "ground" or
> counterpoise.
>
> Another point. ALL end-fed antennas must put their return current
> SOMEWHERE. If we don't provide a "good" path  (like a good
> counterpoise), mother nature will take over and put the current where
> SHE wants it to go, like anything attached to the chassis of the
> transmitter. This can be a coax shield, the power system protective
> earth (green wire), a wire going to a ground rod, even telephone
> wiring or CATV wiring connected to that ground rod. (Remember, the
> earth is a big resistor). KK9H, a fairly smart engineer who is one of
> my old buddies in Chicago, intentionally uses the HVAC air ducts in
> his home as a counterpoise for a 160M wire. At my last Chicago QTH, I
> used a big wrought-iron fence running around the front of my lot as a
> counterpoise on 160 and 80 for a Tee-vertical.
>
> A connection to mother earth is important for only two reasons. First,
> and most important, for lightning protection and electrical safety.
> Second, for SOME receiving antennas, where the resistance of the
> ground makes the antenna work, or where the loss of efficiency caused
> by adding the resistance to an RX antenna doesn't matter.
>
> SO -- let's stop using (or thinking about) the word "ground" in
> conjunction with TX antennas, and in stead, talk (and think) of
> counterpoise.
>
> 73, Jim K9YC
>
> ______________________________________________________________
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From nu4c at bellsouth.net  Sat Jun 10 16:29:58 2017
From: nu4c at bellsouth.net (Paul)
Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2017 16:29:58 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 error message help needed
Message-ID: <lvguxjxjyiq9ngo4s42nuj9o.1497126598697@email.android.com>


Thanks to all. WA9HUP, K2TK, W3FPR you guys nailed it. Newspaper on paddles, not good.73Paul nu4c

Sent from my Galaxy Tab? A
-------- Original message --------From: Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com> Date: 6/10/17  12:31  (GMT-05:00) To: Paul <nu4c at bellsouth.net>, elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 error message help needed 
Paul,

Something is closing either the key or paddles or PTT - if you have the 
RS-232 port set to key or PTT fom either DTR or RTS, that is a possible 
cause as well.
Disconnect everything from the K3 except power and the antenna and power 
it on.? Replace things one at a time to see which brings the problem back.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 6/9/2017 8:01 PM, Paul wrote:
> My K3 displays ERR KEY when it is turned on. I've been away from it since this morning and it was working FB then. It will not xmit now. I searched thru the Cady book but no joy. Can anyone provide advice (ok help) to get back to normal operation.73Paul nu4c

From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Sat Jun 10 16:36:16 2017
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2017 13:36:16 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Counterpoises and Grounding
In-Reply-To: <7b26095b-29d0-3cf4-d3d4-d7e6ab78e828@fmeco.com>
References: <B419527DEC9A4B648BD873D83BB3EC67@stanPC>
	<19b3cc32-525d-8adc-7fdd-ffeabcb71252@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<7b26095b-29d0-3cf4-d3d4-d7e6ab78e828@fmeco.com>
Message-ID: <00351a12-8362-c861-8441-0db9dfeb2d32@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On Sat,6/10/2017 12:39 PM, Fred Moore wrote:
> Jim, lets stop talking about grounds totally when dealing with RF, it's
> just a confusion factor when it comes to discussions.

That's what I said.

>   unless we are
> talking about as NEC and others when they correctly call it a "Safety
> Ground" or a "Grounding Conductor" and make sure that everyone
> understands the difference..  most don't
>
> discussions should be about
>
> Safety Grounds, and grounding conductors 100% about 60 cycle and DC currents
> common connection points  100% about how the above are connected
> counterpoises, radiating elements: deals 100% with RF and antenna's
>
> etc.. properly understanding each one and you won't be confused at all..

I've written extensively on this topic, and both that writing and 
several slide shows are on my website. k9yc.com/publish/htm

>
> I also disagree with your statement
>
> "First, and most important, for lightning protection and electrical safety."
>
> The first and most important item is an electrical Safety Ground as it
> protects people, they can't be replaced.
> Second is lightening protection, as it typically protects equipment.
> equipment can be replaced
Again, I refer you to my website.
>
> They don't carry the same weighting factor.. as very few worldwide are
> killed from lightning vs improper safety grounds.
They are not different. Again, see my website. ALL grounds in a premise 
MUST be bonded together. PERIOD. Power entry, Telco entry, CATV entry, 
antennas, shack, etc. These connections must NEVER be separate or 
independent of each other.

> most likely the only thing we don't agree on..  everything else you seem
> spot on...

I think what you view as disagreement is my failure to write well enough.

73, Jim K9YC

From fred at fmeco.com  Sat Jun 10 16:59:10 2017
From: fred at fmeco.com (Fred Moore)
Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2017 16:59:10 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Counterpoises and Grounding
In-Reply-To: <00351a12-8362-c861-8441-0db9dfeb2d32@audiosystemsgroup.com>
References: <B419527DEC9A4B648BD873D83BB3EC67@stanPC>
	<19b3cc32-525d-8adc-7fdd-ffeabcb71252@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<7b26095b-29d0-3cf4-d3d4-d7e6ab78e828@fmeco.com>
	<00351a12-8362-c861-8441-0db9dfeb2d32@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Message-ID: <3cdcdaf2-5007-14b6-c90f-aa18d73a2831@fmeco.com>

Jim please accept my apologies, I didn't realize that since you have
written extensively on the subject and actually had a website that no
one else is allowed to comment without being chastised for contributions. 

I have made myself a note to never reply to any conversation you are
currently or could possibly become involved in , as all authoritative
answers have already been provided on your web site.. and absolutely
nothing else ever need be discussed.

and again I must disagree with you.  when you state that

"I think what you view as disagreement is my failure to write well enough."

you write extremely well, your condescending attitude comes through very
clear, to everyone. 

Still wondering if I should remove all of my links on the internet, as I
now realize I only need one.

again, please accept my apologies.. I will make every attempt to make
sure it never happens again. 

Fred Moore
email: fred at fmeco.com
       wd8kni at gmail.com
phone: 321-217-8699

On 6/10/17 4:36 PM, Jim Brown wrote:
> On Sat,6/10/2017 12:39 PM, Fred Moore wrote:
>> Jim, lets stop talking about grounds totally when dealing with RF, it's
>> just a confusion factor when it comes to discussions.
>
> That's what I said.
>
>>   unless we are
>> talking about as NEC and others when they correctly call it a "Safety
>> Ground" or a "Grounding Conductor" and make sure that everyone
>> understands the difference..  most don't
>>
>> discussions should be about
>>
>> Safety Grounds, and grounding conductors 100% about 60 cycle and DC
>> currents
>> common connection points  100% about how the above are connected
>> counterpoises, radiating elements: deals 100% with RF and antenna's
>>
>> etc.. properly understanding each one and you won't be confused at all..
>
> I've written extensively on this topic, and both that writing and
> several slide shows are on my website. k9yc.com/publish/htm
>
>>
>> I also disagree with your statement
>>
>> "First, and most important, for lightning protection and electrical
>> safety."
>>
>> The first and most important item is an electrical Safety Ground as it
>> protects people, they can't be replaced.
>> Second is lightening protection, as it typically protects equipment.
>> equipment can be replaced
> Again, I refer you to my website.
>>
>> They don't carry the same weighting factor.. as very few worldwide are
>> killed from lightning vs improper safety grounds.
> They are not different. Again, see my website. ALL grounds in a
> premise MUST be bonded together. PERIOD. Power entry, Telco entry,
> CATV entry, antennas, shack, etc. These connections must NEVER be
> separate or independent of each other.
>
>> most likely the only thing we don't agree on..  everything else you seem
>> spot on...
>
> I think what you view as disagreement is my failure to write well enough.
>
> 73, Jim K9YC
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From scpki7l at gmail.com  Sat Jun 10 17:05:50 2017
From: scpki7l at gmail.com (Stephen Peterson)
Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2017 15:05:50 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 water resistant case
Message-ID: <CAGdsaPUz0hmH=L2+TRGhsJgXFR47v_r2kYQ=enUrEE+pAixMhA@mail.gmail.com>

For a rafting trip down Cataract Canyon of the Colorado I was looking for a
water resistant case for the KX2.  Walmart came through with an "Outdoor
Products,  Watertight Case-Small, model 185OP".  The case is an almost
perfect fit for the KX2 with just enough room for the paddles, earbuds, and
power cable.  Under $6.

Steve, Ki7L

From va3mw at portcredit.net  Sat Jun 10 18:09:33 2017
From: va3mw at portcredit.net (Michael Walker)
Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2017 18:09:33 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 water resistant case
In-Reply-To: <CAGdsaPUz0hmH=L2+TRGhsJgXFR47v_r2kYQ=enUrEE+pAixMhA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGdsaPUz0hmH=L2+TRGhsJgXFR47v_r2kYQ=enUrEE+pAixMhA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+33ts5tp4ZaNJToft-eSQRxVNh-RZdBOLtCAHVVaUNQAfFDhA@mail.gmail.com>

I would not buy  a waterproof case from Walmart.

Your choices are Pelican or equivalent.   I'm speaking from canoe tripping
experience.

73

Mike va3mw

On Sat, Jun 10, 2017 at 5:05 PM, Stephen Peterson <scpki7l at gmail.com> wrote:

> For a rafting trip down Cataract Canyon of the Colorado I was looking for a
> water resistant case for the KX2.  Walmart came through with an "Outdoor
> Products,  Watertight Case-Small, model 185OP".  The case is an almost
> perfect fit for the KX2 with just enough room for the paddles, earbuds, and
> power cable.  Under $6.
>
> Steve, Ki7L
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From ki0gqrp at gmail.com  Sat Jun 10 18:56:12 2017
From: ki0gqrp at gmail.com (Bob Cutter)
Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2017 16:56:12 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 water resistant case
In-Reply-To: <CA+33ts5tp4ZaNJToft-eSQRxVNh-RZdBOLtCAHVVaUNQAfFDhA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGdsaPUz0hmH=L2+TRGhsJgXFR47v_r2kYQ=enUrEE+pAixMhA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CA+33ts5tp4ZaNJToft-eSQRxVNh-RZdBOLtCAHVVaUNQAfFDhA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <55941929-6FE6-42FF-A5C0-3218B3C674D7@gmail.com>

I used a dietary supplement container with a large screw top lid on my trip through the Grand Ca?on. Worked well and held everything dry. 

72, Bob KI0G 

> On Jun 10, 2017, at 4:09 PM, Michael Walker <va3mw at portcredit.net> wrote:
> 
> I would not buy  a waterproof case from Walmart.
> 
> Your choices are Pelican or equivalent.   I'm speaking from canoe tripping
> experience.
> 
> 73
> 
> Mike va3mw
> 
>> On Sat, Jun 10, 2017 at 5:05 PM, Stephen Peterson <scpki7l at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> For a rafting trip down Cataract Canyon of the Colorado I was looking for a
>> water resistant case for the KX2.  Walmart came through with an "Outdoor
>> Products,  Watertight Case-Small, model 185OP".  The case is an almost
>> perfect fit for the KX2 with just enough room for the paddles, earbuds, and
>> power cable.  Under $6.
>> 
>> Steve, Ki7L
>> ______________________________________________________________
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>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
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From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Sat Jun 10 19:25:05 2017
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2017 19:25:05 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 water resistant case
In-Reply-To: <55941929-6FE6-42FF-A5C0-3218B3C674D7@gmail.com>
References: <CAGdsaPUz0hmH=L2+TRGhsJgXFR47v_r2kYQ=enUrEE+pAixMhA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CA+33ts5tp4ZaNJToft-eSQRxVNh-RZdBOLtCAHVVaUNQAfFDhA@mail.gmail.com>
	<55941929-6FE6-42FF-A5C0-3218B3C674D7@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <87bc21fc-296a-3d0f-b7d6-067b15403471@embarqmail.com>

If you seal it well, a "zip-lock" bag will protect the radio from water 
damage.  If you want it to also protect from impact damage too, go all 
the way and get a pelican case.
Wild elephants could trample over a pelican case and it would suffer no 
harm.  That may be an exaggeration, but they are very sturdy.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 6/10/2017 6:56 PM, Bob Cutter wrote:
> I used a dietary supplement container with a large screw top lid on my trip through the Grand Ca?on. Worked well and held everything dry.

From n8bsd0 at gmail.com  Sat Jun 10 19:40:32 2017
From: n8bsd0 at gmail.com (nate t)
Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2017 16:40:32 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 water resistant case
In-Reply-To: <CAGdsaPUz0hmH=L2+TRGhsJgXFR47v_r2kYQ=enUrEE+pAixMhA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGdsaPUz0hmH=L2+TRGhsJgXFR47v_r2kYQ=enUrEE+pAixMhA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B5C41F61-A733-4EC3-930F-40E5A61AEE60@gmail.com>

I have a "B&W Outdoor cases type 1000" pelican style case that ($30 on amazon) I'm working on building into something like this: http://swling.com/blog/2015/11/scotts-elecraft-kx3-go-box/

I would trust it in the rain, but not out on a river. Plastic seems a bit cheaper than Pelican brand...lacks what I'm assuming is fiberglass reinforcement that the Pelicans have.

Quick google search shows the Pelican 1120 has a good fit for the KX2 by itself - http://radiopreppers.com/images/KX2_1120.jpg 

Amazon has the Pelican 1120 for $25 bucks, with the optional bright colors (yellow,orange,etc) which would be useful if it falls in the drink. Pretty cheap price of peace of mind IMO.
 
73 N8BSD

> On Jun 10, 2017, at 2:05 PM, Stephen Peterson <scpki7l at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> For a rafting trip down Cataract Canyon of the Colorado I was looking for a
> water resistant case for the KX2.  Walmart came through with an "Outdoor
> Products,  Watertight Case-Small, model 185OP".  The case is an almost
> perfect fit for the KX2 with just enough room for the paddles, earbuds, and
> power cable.  Under $6.
> 
> Steve, Ki7L
> ______________________________________________________________
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From wunder at wunderwood.org  Sat Jun 10 19:45:18 2017
From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood)
Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2017 16:45:18 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 water resistant case
In-Reply-To: <B5C41F61-A733-4EC3-930F-40E5A61AEE60@gmail.com>
References: <CAGdsaPUz0hmH=L2+TRGhsJgXFR47v_r2kYQ=enUrEE+pAixMhA@mail.gmail.com>
	<B5C41F61-A733-4EC3-930F-40E5A61AEE60@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <46C4870E-F70E-49A6-9566-C5FB38B3AAFB@wunderwood.org>

If you use a zip lock bag, get an aLOKSAK. Basically a mil-spec zip lock bag.

https://loksak.com/aloksak/ <https://loksak.com/aloksak/>

wunder
Walter Underwood
wunder at wunderwood.org
http://observer.wunderwood.org/  (my blog)


> On Jun 10, 2017, at 4:40 PM, nate t <n8bsd0 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I have a "B&W Outdoor cases type 1000" pelican style case that ($30 on amazon) I'm working on building into something like this: http://swling.com/blog/2015/11/scotts-elecraft-kx3-go-box/
> 
> I would trust it in the rain, but not out on a river. Plastic seems a bit cheaper than Pelican brand...lacks what I'm assuming is fiberglass reinforcement that the Pelicans have.
> 
> Quick google search shows the Pelican 1120 has a good fit for the KX2 by itself - http://radiopreppers.com/images/KX2_1120.jpg 
> 
> Amazon has the Pelican 1120 for $25 bucks, with the optional bright colors (yellow,orange,etc) which would be useful if it falls in the drink. Pretty cheap price of peace of mind IMO.
> 
> 73 N8BSD
> 
>> On Jun 10, 2017, at 2:05 PM, Stephen Peterson <scpki7l at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> For a rafting trip down Cataract Canyon of the Colorado I was looking for a
>> water resistant case for the KX2.  Walmart came through with an "Outdoor
>> Products,  Watertight Case-Small, model 185OP".  The case is an almost
>> perfect fit for the KX2 with just enough room for the paddles, earbuds, and
>> power cable.  Under $6.
>> 
>> Steve, Ki7L
>> ______________________________________________________________
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From k6dgw at foothill.net  Sat Jun 10 19:49:13 2017
From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen)
Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2017 16:49:13 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 water resistant case
In-Reply-To: <87bc21fc-296a-3d0f-b7d6-067b15403471@embarqmail.com>
References: <CAGdsaPUz0hmH=L2+TRGhsJgXFR47v_r2kYQ=enUrEE+pAixMhA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CA+33ts5tp4ZaNJToft-eSQRxVNh-RZdBOLtCAHVVaUNQAfFDhA@mail.gmail.com>
	<55941929-6FE6-42FF-A5C0-3218B3C674D7@gmail.com>
	<87bc21fc-296a-3d0f-b7d6-067b15403471@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <849c6f50-da01-75b6-c662-c6a3e792afa1@foothill.net>

Which begs a question I've pondered for awhile now ... "Why are they 
called 'Pelican' and not 'Elephant' cases?" Pelicans are fairly sturdy 
in the temperature department, but not so much if predators are around.  
Armadillo's don't survive vehicular traffic well so that might not be 
any better than a Pelican, however Tortoises are moderately sturdy ... 
and last a LONG time.  Cockroach Case might be the mother of all names 
for sturdy cases.

Just musings while listening to 6 meters on an 80-10 End-Fed wire strung 
on the fence.  So far, I've heard DM09.  Apparently, notwithstanding the 
fact that my K3/KAT3 will match it to 1.1:1 on 6, there are other 
parameters that matter too.

73,

Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

On 6/10/17 4:25 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
> If you seal it well, a "zip-lock" bag will protect the radio from 
> water damage.  If you want it to also protect from impact damage too, 
> go all the way and get a pelican case.
> Wild elephants could trample over a pelican case and it would suffer 
> no harm.  That may be an exaggeration, but they are very sturdy.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR


From va3mw at portcredit.net  Sat Jun 10 19:58:01 2017
From: va3mw at portcredit.net (Michael Walker)
Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2017 19:58:01 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Counterpoises and Grounding
In-Reply-To: <3cdcdaf2-5007-14b6-c90f-aa18d73a2831@fmeco.com>
References: <B419527DEC9A4B648BD873D83BB3EC67@stanPC>
	<19b3cc32-525d-8adc-7fdd-ffeabcb71252@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<7b26095b-29d0-3cf4-d3d4-d7e6ab78e828@fmeco.com>
	<00351a12-8362-c861-8441-0db9dfeb2d32@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<3cdcdaf2-5007-14b6-c90f-aa18d73a2831@fmeco.com>
Message-ID: <CA+33ts6ScuZAUgQfYOWGcF0OFp3Os+fNz-us-nAYhz=B8+VoaA@mail.gmail.com>

Jim sort of nailed it.

:)

Mike va3mw

On Sat, Jun 10, 2017 at 4:59 PM, Fred Moore <fred at fmeco.com> wrote:

> Jim please accept my apologies, I didn't realize that since you have
> written extensively on the subject and actually had a website that no
> one else is allowed to comment without being chastised for contributions.
>
> I have made myself a note to never reply to any conversation you are
> currently or could possibly become involved in , as all authoritative
> answers have already been provided on your web site.. and absolutely
> nothing else ever need be discussed.
>
> and again I must disagree with you.  when you state that
>
> "I think what you view as disagreement is my failure to write well enough."
>
> you write extremely well, your condescending attitude comes through very
> clear, to everyone.
>
> Still wondering if I should remove all of my links on the internet, as I
> now realize I only need one.
>
> again, please accept my apologies.. I will make every attempt to make
> sure it never happens again.
>
> Fred Moore
> email: fred at fmeco.com
>        wd8kni at gmail.com
> phone: 321-217-8699
>
> On 6/10/17 4:36 PM, Jim Brown wrote:
> > On Sat,6/10/2017 12:39 PM, Fred Moore wrote:
> >> Jim, lets stop talking about grounds totally when dealing with RF, it's
> >> just a confusion factor when it comes to discussions.
> >
> > That's what I said.
> >
> >>   unless we are
> >> talking about as NEC and others when they correctly call it a "Safety
> >> Ground" or a "Grounding Conductor" and make sure that everyone
> >> understands the difference..  most don't
> >>
> >> discussions should be about
> >>
> >> Safety Grounds, and grounding conductors 100% about 60 cycle and DC
> >> currents
> >> common connection points  100% about how the above are connected
> >> counterpoises, radiating elements: deals 100% with RF and antenna's
> >>
> >> etc.. properly understanding each one and you won't be confused at all..
> >
> > I've written extensively on this topic, and both that writing and
> > several slide shows are on my website. k9yc.com/publish/htm
> >
> >>
> >> I also disagree with your statement
> >>
> >> "First, and most important, for lightning protection and electrical
> >> safety."
> >>
> >> The first and most important item is an electrical Safety Ground as it
> >> protects people, they can't be replaced.
> >> Second is lightening protection, as it typically protects equipment.
> >> equipment can be replaced
> > Again, I refer you to my website.
> >>
> >> They don't carry the same weighting factor.. as very few worldwide are
> >> killed from lightning vs improper safety grounds.
> > They are not different. Again, see my website. ALL grounds in a
> > premise MUST be bonded together. PERIOD. Power entry, Telco entry,
> > CATV entry, antennas, shack, etc. These connections must NEVER be
> > separate or independent of each other.
> >
> >> most likely the only thing we don't agree on..  everything else you seem
> >> spot on...
> >
> > I think what you view as disagreement is my failure to write well enough.
> >
> > 73, Jim K9YC
> > ______________________________________________________________
> > Elecraft mailing list
> > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
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From stevewa88 at gmail.com  Sat Jun 10 20:08:35 2017
From: stevewa88 at gmail.com (Steve Ward)
Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2017 17:08:35 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] HI CUR error with 2m module
Message-ID: <fc3ed4cc-ec5f-f13f-216c-c67b3b12d856@gmail.com>

I'm pretty sure I've seen something about this before.  I just got my 
KX3-2M that I ordered at Sea-Pac, and installed it in my radio tonight.  
Everything seems OK except when I try to transmit I get a HI CUR error 
unless I keep output power below 1.2 watts.  I'm running from a 35A 
linear PS so supply isn't the issue...

The only thing I saw in the archive was a mention about a loose SMA 
connector, but everything looks OK in that respect.  Any thoughts?

Thanks,

Steve
AD7OG

From nr4c at widomaker.com  Sat Jun 10 21:03:55 2017
From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c)
Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2017 21:03:55 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3/P3 external power source
In-Reply-To: <8ea0381f-467a-cc49-726b-66149ba51e38@foothill.net>
References: <8AFD4947-DE8C-4851-B02C-747DC4FF7E8A@gmail.com>
	<1496859795248-7631475.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<3791702A-2ED1-4623-82B0-1751E219E084@gmail.com>
	<1496860842461-7631478.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<6F472E7E-0D5A-4E63-900C-C478BB63587F@gmail.com>
	<B5304B65-1598-4D8D-961D-9FC0B3F74D43@widomaker.com>
	<B21ED59C-6B5E-4B7B-BEA3-91B0DA8A42D5@gmail.com>
	<8ea0381f-467a-cc49-726b-66149ba51e38@foothill.net>
Message-ID: <996BE29B-74E6-4D38-8E4A-C00C378540AD@widomaker.com>

Thanks, Fred. 


Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill


> On Jun 10, 2017, at 3:21 PM, Fred Jensen <k6dgw at foothill.net> wrote:
> 
> Bill's observation was for LiPoly.  They're close to 4 V per cell.  3 gave me around 11.7 to 11.8 fully charged, so 4 in series would be near 16 V.  My 4S1P LiFePO4 right off the charger measures 13.8 V, but that drops to around 12.7 almost immediately after I apply a load.
> 
> 73,
> 
> Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
> Sparks NV DM09dn
> Washoe County
> 
> 
>> On 6/9/17 5:36 PM, GRANT YOUNGMAN wrote:
>> A fully charged 4S LiFePO4 battery will be about 14v.  Well within the KX3 limits.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 9, 2017, at 8:09 PM, Nr4c <nr4c at widomaker.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I believe a fully charged 4S LiPo battery will exceed the max input voltage of a KX3!
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> ...nr4c. bill
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>> Grant NQ5T
>> K3 #2091, KX3 #8342
>> 
>> 
>> 
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From riese-k3djc at juno.com  Sat Jun 10 21:11:19 2017
From: riese-k3djc at juno.com (riese-k3djc at juno.com)
Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2017 21:11:19 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Counterpoises and Grounding
Message-ID: <AABNV3GKJAJV38XJ@smtpout04.vgs.untd.com>


Yep   Bob K3DJC


On Sat, 10 Jun 2017 19:58:01 -0400 Michael Walker <va3mw at portcredit.net>
writes:
> Jim sort of nailed it.
> 
> :)
> 
> Mike va3mw
> 
> On Sat, Jun 10, 2017 at 4:59 PM, Fred Moore <fred at fmeco.com> wrote:
> 
> > Jim please accept my apologies, I didn't realize that since you 
> have
> > written extensively on the subject and actually had a website that 
> no
> > one else is allowed to comment without being chastised for 
> contributions.
> >
> > I have made myself a note to never reply to any conversation you 
> are
> > currently or could possibly become involved in , as all 
> authoritative
> > answers have already been provided on your web site.. and 
> absolutely
> > nothing else ever need be discussed.
> >
> > and again I must disagree with you.  when you state that
> >
> > "I think what you view as disagreement is my failure to write well 
> enough."
> >
> > you write extremely well, your condescending attitude comes 
> through very
> > clear, to everyone.
> >
> > Still wondering if I should remove all of my links on the 
> internet, as I
> > now realize I only need one.
> >
> > again, please accept my apologies.. I will make every attempt to 
> make
> > sure it never happens again.
> >
> > Fred Moore
> > email: fred at fmeco.com
> >        wd8kni at gmail.com
> > phone: 321-217-8699
> >
> > On 6/10/17 4:36 PM, Jim Brown wrote:
> > > On Sat,6/10/2017 12:39 PM, Fred Moore wrote:
> > >> Jim, lets stop talking about grounds totally when dealing with 
> RF, it's
> > >> just a confusion factor when it comes to discussions.
> > >
> > > That's what I said.
> > >
> > >>   unless we are
> > >> talking about as NEC and others when they correctly call it a 
> "Safety
> > >> Ground" or a "Grounding Conductor" and make sure that everyone
> > >> understands the difference..  most don't
> > >>
> > >> discussions should be about
> > >>
> > >> Safety Grounds, and grounding conductors 100% about 60 cycle 
> and DC
> > >> currents
> > >> common connection points  100% about how the above are 
> connected
> > >> counterpoises, radiating elements: deals 100% with RF and 
> antenna's
> > >>
> > >> etc.. properly understanding each one and you won't be confused 
> at all..
> > >
> > > I've written extensively on this topic, and both that writing 
> and
> > > several slide shows are on my website. k9yc.com/publish/htm
> > >
> > >>
> > >> I also disagree with your statement
> > >>
> > >> "First, and most important, for lightning protection and 
> electrical
> > >> safety."
> > >>
> > >> The first and most important item is an electrical Safety 
> Ground as it
> > >> protects people, they can't be replaced.
> > >> Second is lightening protection, as it typically protects 
> equipment.
> > >> equipment can be replaced
> > > Again, I refer you to my website.
> > >>
> > >> They don't carry the same weighting factor.. as very few 
> worldwide are
> > >> killed from lightning vs improper safety grounds.
> > > They are not different. Again, see my website. ALL grounds in a
> > > premise MUST be bonded together. PERIOD. Power entry, Telco 
> entry,
> > > CATV entry, antennas, shack, etc. These connections must NEVER 
> be
> > > separate or independent of each other.
> > >
> > >> most likely the only thing we don't agree on..  everything else 
> you seem
> > >> spot on...
> > >
> > > I think what you view as disagreement is my failure to write 
> well enough.
> > >
> > > 73, Jim K9YC
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From z_kevino at hotmail.com  Sat Jun 10 22:23:52 2017
From: z_kevino at hotmail.com (kevino z)
Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2017 02:23:52 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 water resistant case
In-Reply-To: <B5C41F61-A733-4EC3-930F-40E5A61AEE60@gmail.com>
References: <CAGdsaPUz0hmH=L2+TRGhsJgXFR47v_r2kYQ=enUrEE+pAixMhA@mail.gmail.com>,
	<B5C41F61-A733-4EC3-930F-40E5A61AEE60@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BN6PR15MB14250FA1D334591F158D995DFACC0@BN6PR15MB1425.namprd15.prod.outlook.com>

I think the Pelican 1200 is a better fit for the KX2 or KX3, since it gives room for the Mic and the paddle (and heatsink if you have one).
-Kevin (KK4YEL) 

No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However, a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced !

> On Jun 10, 2017, at 19:42, nate t <n8bsd0 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I have a "B&W Outdoor cases type 1000" pelican style case that ($30 on amazon) I'm working on building into something like this: http://swling.com/blog/2015/11/scotts-elecraft-kx3-go-box/
> 
> I would trust it in the rain, but not out on a river. Plastic seems a bit cheaper than Pelican brand...lacks what I'm assuming is fiberglass reinforcement that the Pelicans have.
> 
> Quick google search shows the Pelican 1120 has a good fit for the KX2 by itself - http://radiopreppers.com/images/KX2_1120.jpg 
> 
> Amazon has the Pelican 1120 for $25 bucks, with the optional bright colors (yellow,orange,etc) which would be useful if it falls in the drink. Pretty cheap price of peace of mind IMO.
> 
> 73 N8BSD
> 
>> On Jun 10, 2017, at 2:05 PM, Stephen Peterson <scpki7l at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> For a rafting trip down Cataract Canyon of the Colorado I was looking for a
>> water resistant case for the KX2.  Walmart came through with an "Outdoor
>> Products,  Watertight Case-Small, model 185OP".  The case is an almost
>> perfect fit for the KX2 with just enough room for the paddles, earbuds, and
>> power cable.  Under $6.
>> 
>> Steve, Ki7L
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From w1dxh at aol.com  Sat Jun 10 22:39:24 2017
From: w1dxh at aol.com (steve jobes)
Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2017 22:39:24 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] mic
Message-ID: <15c950530f1-15a0-5798@webprd-a100.mail.aol.com>

Hi I am a new owner of a K3 and I am curious what others are using for mics? A boom mic is my is my preference as opposed to a headset arrangement. Any info appreciated.

73,
Steve W1DXH

From sjl219 at optonline.net  Sat Jun 10 22:54:09 2017
From: sjl219 at optonline.net (stan levandowski)
Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2017 22:54:09 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Elecraft] (KX1) Can KXAT1 tune a doublet?
Message-ID: <1d61e5d0.a03ba.15c9512b1d1.Webtop.35@optonline.net>

The KXAT1 manual states that it can tune a *coaxial* dipole. ?It also 
states that the KXAT1 is optimized to tune random wires.

I'd like to know if any fellow KX1 owners have successfully tuned a 300 
ohm twin-lead fed 44, 66 or 88 foot doublet with the KXAT1 for 40 and 20 
meters?


Or, do I need an external wider range tuner like the T1?


Thanks,


Stan WB2LQF




From cautery at montac.com  Sat Jun 10 23:02:54 2017
From: cautery at montac.com (Clay Autery)
Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2017 22:02:54 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] mic
In-Reply-To: <15c950530f1-15a0-5798@webprd-a100.mail.aol.com>
References: <15c950530f1-15a0-5798@webprd-a100.mail.aol.com>
Message-ID: <7021536f-5934-57c2-9c65-50b5633caaff@montac.com>

Customized large capsule condenser mic on a Heil PL2T boom using ONYX
Blackjack for power supply/control.

Everyone pissed and moaned that it wouldn't work, was too much trouble,
overkill, yadda , yadda, blah.

Love it!  At least 15 people have offered to buy it from me for twice
what I have in it.  Response curve it "tilted" a bit towards use as a
radio mic, but still useful for audio tracks, videos, et al. as well.

Works for me as nothing is ON my desk anymore but my keyboard and
mouse.  (See my QRZ page for more info and/or email me).

______________________
Clay Autery, KY5G

On 6/10/2017 9:39 PM, steve jobes via Elecraft wrote:
> Hi I am a new owner of a K3 and I am curious what others are using for mics? A boom mic is my is my preference as opposed to a headset arrangement. Any info appreciated.
>
> 73,
> Steve W1DXH
>


From john.dolan55 at gmail.com  Sat Jun 10 23:42:34 2017
From: john.dolan55 at gmail.com (John Dolan)
Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2017 23:42:34 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Mic
Message-ID: <073216FE-F060-4DCA-ADCC-621A8F301757@gmail.com>

Hi,
I use a Heil PR 781 with the Heil PL2T boom.  Audio reports from my contacts are always good and the K3s transmit audio settings allowed me to taylor the audio to my voice.

73,  John WB4YAL 


Sent from my iPad

From jimk0xu at gmail.com  Sat Jun 10 23:45:27 2017
From: jimk0xu at gmail.com (Jim Rhodes)
Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2017 22:45:27 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] mic
In-Reply-To: <7021536f-5934-57c2-9c65-50b5633caaff@montac.com>
References: <15c950530f1-15a0-5798@webprd-a100.mail.aol.com>
	<7021536f-5934-57c2-9c65-50b5633caaff@montac.com>
Message-ID: <CALhxr4Y0S1e7wnsBYHWUvZCqXuo+hwEKRmLVwN=j0R_mR80TdA@mail.gmail.com>

Personally I prefer the headset, have several. I do not sit still enough
for a boom. My mike is always right in front of my face where it needs to
be and I need the earphones to hear properly anyway.

On Sat, Jun 10, 2017 at 10:02 PM, Clay Autery <cautery at montac.com> wrote:

> Customized large capsule condenser mic on a Heil PL2T boom using ONYX
> Blackjack for power supply/control.
>
> Everyone pissed and moaned that it wouldn't work, was too much trouble,
> overkill, yadda , yadda, blah.
>
> Love it!  At least 15 people have offered to buy it from me for twice
> what I have in it.  Response curve it "tilted" a bit towards use as a
> radio mic, but still useful for audio tracks, videos, et al. as well.
>
> Works for me as nothing is ON my desk anymore but my keyboard and
> mouse.  (See my QRZ page for more info and/or email me).
>
> ______________________
> Clay Autery, KY5G
>
> On 6/10/2017 9:39 PM, steve jobes via Elecraft wrote:
> > Hi I am a new owner of a K3 and I am curious what others are using for
> mics? A boom mic is my is my preference as opposed to a headset
> arrangement. Any info appreciated.
> >
> > 73,
> > Steve W1DXH
> >
>
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-- 
Jim K0XU
jim at rhodesend.net

From b.denley at comcast.net  Sat Jun 10 23:46:25 2017
From: b.denley at comcast.net (Brian Denley)
Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2017 23:46:25 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] mic
In-Reply-To: <7021536f-5934-57c2-9c65-50b5633caaff@montac.com>
References: <15c950530f1-15a0-5798@webprd-a100.mail.aol.com>
	<7021536f-5934-57c2-9c65-50b5633caaff@montac.com>
Message-ID: <15E538FF-F2B1-404D-8CAE-1C2B24069ECC@comcast.net>

Tried both condenser and dynamic.  I have settled on the dynamic (mxl bcd-1) as it picks up a lot less background sounds.  The condensers work very well but even pick up my wife talking the the dog downstairs!  I do use a noise gate and preamp.

Brian 
KB1VBF
Sent from my iPad

> On Jun 10, 2017, at 11:02 PM, Clay Autery <cautery at montac.com> wrote:
> 
> Customized large capsule condenser mic on a Heil PL2T boom using ONYX
> Blackjack for power supply/control.
> 
> Everyone pissed and moaned that it wouldn't work, was too much trouble,
> overkill, yadda , yadda, blah.
> 
> Love it!  At least 15 people have offered to buy it from me for twice
> what I have in it.  Response curve it "tilted" a bit towards use as a
> radio mic, but still useful for audio tracks, videos, et al. as well.
> 
> Works for me as nothing is ON my desk anymore but my keyboard and
> mouse.  (See my QRZ page for more info and/or email me).
> 
> ______________________
> Clay Autery, KY5G
> 
>> On 6/10/2017 9:39 PM, steve jobes via Elecraft wrote:
>> Hi I am a new owner of a K3 and I am curious what others are using for mics? A boom mic is my is my preference as opposed to a headset arrangement. Any info appreciated.
>> 
>> 73,
>> Steve W1DXH
>> 
> 
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From cautery at montac.com  Sat Jun 10 23:52:05 2017
From: cautery at montac.com (Clay Autery)
Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2017 22:52:05 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] mic
In-Reply-To: <CALhxr4Y0S1e7wnsBYHWUvZCqXuo+hwEKRmLVwN=j0R_mR80TdA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <15c950530f1-15a0-5798@webprd-a100.mail.aol.com>
	<7021536f-5934-57c2-9c65-50b5633caaff@montac.com>
	<CALhxr4Y0S1e7wnsBYHWUvZCqXuo+hwEKRmLVwN=j0R_mR80TdA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <04e5d288-aa0a-f57c-c4ef-b4f450cf3cbb@montac.com>

Yes, sir...  I get that.  I'm an old Infantryman/Aviator...  almost a
requirement for me to have GOOD headphones and properly tuned receive audio.

Someday I'll demo the high end headsets and see if it is anything I want
to do....  I wore a CVC helmet for years with a boom mic with a lip
switch... (long time ago).  Not sure I want to do the headset again.  My
Sennheiser HD598SE head phones are about as heavy as I want to go
without custom fitting and contouring pads on the ears and head strap. 
And if I'm gonna be on a headset, I want a mic switch on it AND I want
it wireless.  :)

73,

______________________
Clay Autery, KY5G

On 6/10/2017 10:45 PM, Jim Rhodes wrote:
> Personally I prefer the headset, have several. I do not sit still
> enough for a boom. My mike is always right in front of my face where
> it needs to be and I need the earphones to hear properly anyway.
>
>
>
> -- 
> Jim K0XU
> jim at rhodesend.net <mailto:jim at rhodesend.net>


From cautery at montac.com  Sat Jun 10 23:58:06 2017
From: cautery at montac.com (Clay Autery)
Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2017 22:58:06 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] mic
In-Reply-To: <15E538FF-F2B1-404D-8CAE-1C2B24069ECC@comcast.net>
References: <15c950530f1-15a0-5798@webprd-a100.mail.aol.com>
	<7021536f-5934-57c2-9c65-50b5633caaff@montac.com>
	<15E538FF-F2B1-404D-8CAE-1C2B24069ECC@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <2c41a0e8-4a62-5107-0b30-c82190d835c6@montac.com>

Well, it DOES take some fiddling to get it all the way it needs to be. 
First thing is to make sure it is set for Cardoid and not OMNI...  The
ONYX Blackjack gives me a little control as a pre, but I find that based
on the parts and construction mods I made, I don't have extraneous noise
pickup.

73,

PS - My mic is built on the housing and chassis of an MXL-990 that was
stripped and powder coated black.  THEN, I also back-filled the ENTIRE
lower chassis to eliminate voids.  Then added internal sound/vibration
absorption.  And a proper basket.
I could probably sell 10 of them a month if I was so inclined.  I am
not!  It was a LOT of work to do it PERFECTLY.

______________________
Clay Autery, KY5G

On 6/10/2017 10:46 PM, Brian Denley wrote:
> Tried both condenser and dynamic.  I have settled on the dynamic (mxl bcd-1) as it picks up a lot less background sounds.  The condensers work very well but even pick up my wife talking the the dog downstairs!  I do use a noise gate and preamp.
>
> Brian 
> KB1VBF


From augie.hansen at comcast.net  Sun Jun 11 00:02:28 2017
From: augie.hansen at comcast.net (Augie "Gus" Hansen)
Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2017 22:02:28 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 water resistant case
In-Reply-To: <BN6PR15MB14250FA1D334591F158D995DFACC0@BN6PR15MB1425.namprd15.prod.outlook.com>
References: <CAGdsaPUz0hmH=L2+TRGhsJgXFR47v_r2kYQ=enUrEE+pAixMhA@mail.gmail.com>
	<B5C41F61-A733-4EC3-930F-40E5A61AEE60@gmail.com>
	<BN6PR15MB14250FA1D334591F158D995DFACC0@BN6PR15MB1425.namprd15.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <0c6a7db4-601f-b374-4267-0b08d199f1a0@comcast.net>


On 6/10/2017 8:23 PM, kevino z wrote:
> I think the Pelican 1200 is a better fit for the KX2 or KX3, since it gives room for the Mic and the paddle (and heatsink if you have one).

Agreed. I use the Pelican 1200 for the KX2 plus accessories, and the 
manual that I need to refer to from time to time fits perfectly, too.

Gus Hansen
KB0YH


From kevinr at coho.net  Sun Jun 11 00:58:13 2017
From: kevinr at coho.net (kevinr at coho.net)
Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2017 21:58:13 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Announcement
Message-ID: <3aca4344-bf7a-532c-b986-a7dff28b998b@coho.net>

Good Evening,

Please join us tomorrow on:

    14050 kHz at 2200z Sunday (3 PM PDT Sunday)
     7045 kHz at 0000z Monday (5 PM PDT Sunday)

     73,
         Kevin. KD5ONS

-


From b.denley at comcast.net  Sun Jun 11 00:18:39 2017
From: b.denley at comcast.net (Brian Denley)
Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2017 00:18:39 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] mic
In-Reply-To: <2c41a0e8-4a62-5107-0b30-c82190d835c6@montac.com>
References: <15c950530f1-15a0-5798@webprd-a100.mail.aol.com>
	<7021536f-5934-57c2-9c65-50b5633caaff@montac.com>
	<15E538FF-F2B1-404D-8CAE-1C2B24069ECC@comcast.net>
	<2c41a0e8-4a62-5107-0b30-c82190d835c6@montac.com>
Message-ID: <DA3A8940-A242-4441-A3D0-5894A07CD241@comcast.net>

Clay:
What condenser capsule did you put in the 990 housing.  Just curious.  I am using the Behringer Shark DSP 110 as a preamp, low cut, and noise gate.  You can find them used for about $50.  Turn off phantom power with the dynamic mic.  I use the same setup with condensers - just turn on the phantom power.
73s
Brian Denley
KB1VBF
Sent from my iPad

> On Jun 10, 2017, at 11:58 PM, Clay Autery <cautery at montac.com> wrote:
> 
> Well, it DOES take some fiddling to get it all the way it needs to be. 
> First thing is to make sure it is set for Cardoid and not OMNI...  The
> ONYX Blackjack gives me a little control as a pre, but I find that based
> on the parts and construction mods I made, I don't have extraneous noise
> pickup.
> 
> 73,
> 
> PS - My mic is built on the housing and chassis of an MXL-990 that was
> stripped and powder coated black.  THEN, I also back-filled the ENTIRE
> lower chassis to eliminate voids.  Then added internal sound/vibration
> absorption.  And a proper basket.
> I could probably sell 10 of them a month if I was so inclined.  I am
> not!  It was a LOT of work to do it PERFECTLY.
> 
> ______________________
> Clay Autery, KY5G
> 
>> On 6/10/2017 10:46 PM, Brian Denley wrote:
>> Tried both condenser and dynamic.  I have settled on the dynamic (mxl bcd-1) as it picks up a lot less background sounds.  The condensers work very well but even pick up my wife talking the the dog downstairs!  I do use a noise gate and preamp.
>> 
>> Brian 
>> KB1VBF
> 
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From gliderboy1955 at yahoo.com  Sun Jun 11 01:49:12 2017
From: gliderboy1955 at yahoo.com (eric norris)
Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2017 05:49:12 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 Waterproof Case
References: <505277685.1167037.1497160152456.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <505277685.1167037.1497160152456@mail.yahoo.com>

For the first time in my life, I will disagree with Don. ?A zip-lock bag will not protect your KX2 or even M&Ms in the event of a capsize. ?I speak not from theory or opinion, but as an expert kayak capsizer. ?Tested and true. ?You need the type of Pelican case that has an O-ring, not some of their smaller cases which are not waterproof.
In a capsize, the case can get submerged by force. ?Even a couple inches of water will present enough pressure to breach lesser cases. ?
73 Eric WD6DBM

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android

From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Sun Jun 11 02:06:11 2017
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2017 23:06:11 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] mic
In-Reply-To: <7021536f-5934-57c2-9c65-50b5633caaff@montac.com>
References: <15c950530f1-15a0-5798@webprd-a100.mail.aol.com>
	<7021536f-5934-57c2-9c65-50b5633caaff@montac.com>
Message-ID: <5eeffa06-185c-47cc-04ac-787fd8367f7d@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On Sat,6/10/2017 8:02 PM, Clay Autery wrote:
> Customized large capsule condenser mic on a Heil PL2T boom using ONYX
> Blackjack for power supply/control.

Sorry, but you guys are WAY over the edge on this. As a retired 
recording engineer, I own a bunch of great large and small diaphragm 
mics, both condensers and dynamics, that put these mics to shame, but I 
wouldn't waste any of them in a ham station. I'm VERY happy with a 
Yamaha CM500 since W6XU turned me on to it around 2009, at a fraction of 
the cost. It's plugged straight into the rear panel mic jack of my K3s 
(plural, not the new K3S). Any decent electret will work as well, 
especially with the EQ built into a K3, K3S, KX3, KX2. Those large 
diaphragm mics are great for when I'm recording a symphony orchestra or 
a great jazz big band, but they are a waste in the ham shack.

73, Jim K9YC


From cautery at montac.com  Sun Jun 11 02:37:05 2017
From: cautery at montac.com (Clay Autery)
Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2017 01:37:05 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] mic
In-Reply-To: <DA3A8940-A242-4441-A3D0-5894A07CD241@comcast.net>
References: <15c950530f1-15a0-5798@webprd-a100.mail.aol.com>
	<7021536f-5934-57c2-9c65-50b5633caaff@montac.com>
	<15E538FF-F2B1-404D-8CAE-1C2B24069ECC@comcast.net>
	<2c41a0e8-4a62-5107-0b30-c82190d835c6@montac.com>
	<DA3A8940-A242-4441-A3D0-5894A07CD241@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <a981b938-504e-7cd3-1b23-a8f068ff4a60@montac.com>

RK-87

Interesting approach.  Liked my Behringer gear.... <sniff>

______________________
Clay Autery, KY5G

On 6/10/2017 11:18 PM, Brian Denley wrote:
> Clay:
> What condenser capsule did you put in the 990 housing.  Just curious.  I am using the Behringer Shark DSP 110 as a preamp, low cut, and noise gate.  You can find them used for about $50.  Turn off phantom power with the dynamic mic.  I use the same setup with condensers - just turn on the phantom power.
> 73s
> Brian Denley
> KB1VBF

From Gunfighter26 at yahoo.com  Sun Jun 11 04:39:34 2017
From: Gunfighter26 at yahoo.com (Brad J. Butler)
Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2017 01:39:34 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] MH3 rattle?
Message-ID: <010601d2e28e$42d42b00$c87c8100$@yahoo.com>

Good morning everyone,

 

I've got a new MH3 that hasn't ever been dropped.  When I *gently* shake it,
I hear something rattling around in it.like a spring of some sort.  Is that
normal?  If I "roll" it in all different directions, I don't hear anything
rolling around on the inside, so there's nothing that has come loose, just a
little something that's shaking around if I gently shake it side to side.

 

Thanks!

 

-Brad Butler

W6BJB/JS6TQS

 


From ch at murgatroid.com  Sun Jun 11 05:41:33 2017
From: ch at murgatroid.com (Christopher Hoover)
Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2017 17:41:33 +0800
Subject: [Elecraft] MH3 rattle?
In-Reply-To: <010601d2e28e$42d42b00$c87c8100$@yahoo.com>
References: <010601d2e28e$42d42b00$c87c8100$@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CACw0Psb51J-kxV5xLxiHJ8v96vG5mqRkDBq2KzRMkUGx37DxeA@mail.gmail.com>

RMA?

On Sun, Jun 11, 2017 at 4:39 PM, Brad J. Butler via Elecraft <
elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:

> Good morning everyone,
>
>
>
> I've got a new MH3 that hasn't ever been dropped.  When I *gently* shake
> it,
> I hear something rattling around in it.like a spring of some sort.  Is that
> normal?  If I "roll" it in all different directions, I don't hear anything
> rolling around on the inside, so there's nothing that has come loose, just
> a
> little something that's shaking around if I gently shake it side to side.
>
>
>
> Thanks!
>
>
>
> -Brad Butler
>
> W6BJB/JS6TQS
>
>
>
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From stan.gw3srm at uwclub.net  Sun Jun 11 05:46:44 2017
From: stan.gw3srm at uwclub.net (Stan GW3SRM)
Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2017 10:46:44 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] Counterpoises and Grounding
Message-ID: <5E913C1E01C44E6BAD569870678B32A6@stanPC>

I note the comments generated by this topic. I must admit the use of the
term 'tuneable artificial ground' generated some controversy but it is
widely used in both amateur and commercial literature. Perhaps 'tuneable
counterpoise' would have been better and the term 'artificial' is
superfluous. Safety earthing (grounding) is of course used for protection in
our 50Hz mains power distribution system, lightning protection etc. The
counterpoise is of course part of the antenna system described and I thought
antenna radiation and earth conductivity were well understood.

I regret that my submission should have created such heated comments.

 

Nuf said.

 

73 Stan GW3SRM

 


From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Sun Jun 11 07:31:40 2017
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2017 07:31:40 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] HI CUR error with 2m module
In-Reply-To: <fc3ed4cc-ec5f-f13f-216c-c67b3b12d856@gmail.com>
References: <fc3ed4cc-ec5f-f13f-216c-c67b3b12d856@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <46a7047a-d0a4-ce79-97a1-510c32da7359@embarqmail.com>

Steve,

Do you have a dummy load that is good up through 148MHz?
If so, Connect it and see if you get the same error.
If not, investigate your antenna and feedline.
If it is still present, contact K3support.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 6/10/2017 8:08 PM, Steve Ward wrote:
> I'm pretty sure I've seen something about this before.  I just got my 
> KX3-2M that I ordered at Sea-Pac, and installed it in my radio tonight. 
> Everything seems OK except when I try to transmit I get a HI CUR error 
> unless I keep output power below 1.2 watts.  I'm running from a 35A 
> linear PS so supply isn't the issue...
> 
> The only thing I saw in the archive was a mention about a loose SMA 
> connector, but everything looks OK in that respect.  Any thoughts?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Steve
> AD7OG
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From b.denley at comcast.net  Sun Jun 11 08:39:34 2017
From: b.denley at comcast.net (Brian Denley)
Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2017 08:39:34 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] mic
In-Reply-To: <5eeffa06-185c-47cc-04ac-787fd8367f7d@audiosystemsgroup.com>
References: <15c950530f1-15a0-5798@webprd-a100.mail.aol.com>
	<7021536f-5934-57c2-9c65-50b5633caaff@montac.com>
	<5eeffa06-185c-47cc-04ac-787fd8367f7d@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Message-ID: <7B27E963-A6DA-4D6C-BC82-543E3BAAF400@comcast.net>

Agreed Jim but I haven't spent much money on any of the mic stuff and I also used a cheap ($40) headset rather frequently.  I do, however, prefer the dynamic mics.  The condensers that I have tried seem to pick up way too much background noise.

Brian 
KB1VBF
Sent from my iPad

> On Jun 11, 2017, at 2:06 AM, Jim Brown <jim at audiosystemsgroup.com> wrote:
> 
>> On Sat,6/10/2017 8:02 PM, Clay Autery wrote:
>> Customized large capsule condenser mic on a Heil PL2T boom using ONYX
>> Blackjack for power supply/control.
> 
> Sorry, but you guys are WAY over the edge on this. As a retired recording engineer, I own a bunch of great large and small diaphragm mics, both condensers and dynamics, that put these mics to shame, but I wouldn't waste any of them in a ham station. I'm VERY happy with a Yamaha CM500 since W6XU turned me on to it around 2009, at a fraction of the cost. It's plugged straight into the rear panel mic jack of my K3s (plural, not the new K3S). Any decent electret will work as well, especially with the EQ built into a K3, K3S, KX3, KX2. Those large diaphragm mics are great for when I'm recording a symphony orchestra or a great jazz big band, but they are a waste in the ham shack.
> 
> 73, Jim K9YC
> 
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From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Sun Jun 11 09:29:18 2017
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2017 08:29:18 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] mic
In-Reply-To: <5eeffa06-185c-47cc-04ac-787fd8367f7d@audiosystemsgroup.com>
References: <15c950530f1-15a0-5798@webprd-a100.mail.aol.com>
	<7021536f-5934-57c2-9c65-50b5633caaff@montac.com>
	<5eeffa06-185c-47cc-04ac-787fd8367f7d@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Message-ID: <535214c9-9f56-fc7d-b566-c3fb72905d99@blomand.net>

On Jim's points, I fully agree.  It seems hams are prone to over 
complicate a rather simple issue.  There's more than adequate mike gain 
in the K3S, thus I  find no technical reason for the use of an external 
preamp.   The internal EQ of the K3S again is most adequate to correctly 
tailor communications audio, even ESSB.

I've found mike technique to be a very important factor in good quality 
audio.  From personal observations, many hams have and use poor mike 
technique.    The mike-to-mouth position is most critical and will vary 
with different mikes.

Like Jim, I'm a retired recording studio engineer and a live stage 
performance engineer.  Nothing but experience and learning from the 
experts will improve what you do.

73
Bob, K4TAX



On 6/11/2017 1:06 AM, Jim Brown wrote:
> On Sat,6/10/2017 8:02 PM, Clay Autery wrote:
>> Customized large capsule condenser mic on a Heil PL2T boom using ONYX
>> Blackjack for power supply/control.
>
> Sorry, but you guys are WAY over the edge on this. As a retired 
> recording engineer, I own a bunch of great large and small diaphragm 
> mics, both condensers and dynamics, that put these mics to shame, but 
> I wouldn't waste any of them in a ham station. I'm VERY happy with a 
> Yamaha CM500 since W6XU turned me on to it around 2009, at a fraction 
> of the cost. It's plugged straight into the rear panel mic jack of my 
> K3s (plural, not the new K3S). Any decent electret will work as well, 
> especially with the EQ built into a K3, K3S, KX3, KX2. Those large 
> diaphragm mics are great for when I'm recording a symphony orchestra 
> or a great jazz big band, but they are a waste in the ham shack.
>
> 73, Jim K9YC



From lists at subich.com  Sun Jun 11 10:39:49 2017
From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV)
Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2017 10:39:49 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] mic
In-Reply-To: <535214c9-9f56-fc7d-b566-c3fb72905d99@blomand.net>
References: <15c950530f1-15a0-5798@webprd-a100.mail.aol.com>
	<7021536f-5934-57c2-9c65-50b5633caaff@montac.com>
	<5eeffa06-185c-47cc-04ac-787fd8367f7d@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<535214c9-9f56-fc7d-b566-c3fb72905d99@blomand.net>
Message-ID: <d884e8e4-49d9-22e0-4151-2978b3bc9231@subich.com>


Bob and Jim have excellent points.

There is one advantage for the electret mic compared to a dynamic
mic.  Electrets are generally 26 dB "hotter" than a dynamic mic
and thus are much more resistant to common mode RF feedback and
magnetic coupling.  However, that assumes the transceiver is
designed for the higher input level and properly reduces gain
before the mic gain control.

Mics of any kind - dynamic or condenser/electret - with wide frequency
response are completely wasted for amateur radio (or any communications
application).  You really want a clean 200 Hz - 4 Hz response.  Lower
frequencies cause distortion and waste power, higher frequencies are
simply lost in the "channel noise".

Like Bob and Jim, I spent my professional life in the recording and
broadcast industries.  Amateurs waste far too much on over spec'd
microphones and fancy "brand name" advertising campaigns.

73,

    ... Joe, W4TV


On 6/11/2017 9:29 AM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote:
> On Jim's points, I fully agree.  It seems hams are prone to over 
> complicate a rather simple issue.  There's more than adequate mike gain 
> in the K3S, thus I  find no technical reason for the use of an external 
> preamp.   The internal EQ of the K3S again is most adequate to correctly 
> tailor communications audio, even ESSB.
> 
> I've found mike technique to be a very important factor in good quality 
> audio.  From personal observations, many hams have and use poor mike 
> technique.    The mike-to-mouth position is most critical and will vary 
> with different mikes.
> 
> Like Jim, I'm a retired recording studio engineer and a live stage 
> performance engineer.  Nothing but experience and learning from the 
> experts will improve what you do.
> 
> 73
> Bob, K4TAX
> 
> 
> 
> On 6/11/2017 1:06 AM, Jim Brown wrote:
>> On Sat,6/10/2017 8:02 PM, Clay Autery wrote:
>>> Customized large capsule condenser mic on a Heil PL2T boom using ONYX
>>> Blackjack for power supply/control.
>>
>> Sorry, but you guys are WAY over the edge on this. As a retired 
>> recording engineer, I own a bunch of great large and small diaphragm 
>> mics, both condensers and dynamics, that put these mics to shame, but 
>> I wouldn't waste any of them in a ham station. I'm VERY happy with a 
>> Yamaha CM500 since W6XU turned me on to it around 2009, at a fraction 
>> of the cost. It's plugged straight into the rear panel mic jack of my 
>> K3s (plural, not the new K3S). Any decent electret will work as well, 
>> especially with the EQ built into a K3, K3S, KX3, KX2. Those large 
>> diaphragm mics are great for when I'm recording a symphony orchestra 
>> or a great jazz big band, but they are a waste in the ham shack.
>>
>> 73, Jim K9YC
> 
> 
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From cautery at montac.com  Sun Jun 11 10:50:03 2017
From: cautery at montac.com (Clay Autery)
Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2017 09:50:03 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] mic
In-Reply-To: <5eeffa06-185c-47cc-04ac-787fd8367f7d@audiosystemsgroup.com>
References: <15c950530f1-15a0-5798@webprd-a100.mail.aol.com>
	<7021536f-5934-57c2-9c65-50b5633caaff@montac.com>
	<5eeffa06-185c-47cc-04ac-787fd8367f7d@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Message-ID: <5dedcf4d-175f-6809-b840-5208e6df8c16@montac.com>

Jim, we've already had this discussion.  <smile>

Man asked me what I was running, and I told him.  I like it.  It's a
wonderful mic.  It does the job..... well!
I like nice things.  Not like I'm trying to use it on a DXpedition. <wink>

I find pleasure in having, using, and BUILDING nice things.  It's not
about the money or doing the job.... If I wanted that, I'd still be
working a J-O-B.

As my Mamaw used to say, "Clay, that's why they make different flavors
of ice cream."

Have a great day!  <big smile>

73,

______________________
Clay Autery, KY5G

On 6/11/2017 1:06 AM, Jim Brown wrote:
> On Sat,6/10/2017 8:02 PM, Clay Autery wrote:
>> Customized large capsule condenser mic on a Heil PL2T boom using ONYX
>> Blackjack for power supply/control.
>
> Sorry, but you guys are WAY over the edge on this. As a retired
> recording engineer, I own a bunch of great large and small diaphragm
> mics, both condensers and dynamics, that put these mics to shame, but
> I wouldn't waste any of them in a ham station. I'm VERY happy with a
> Yamaha CM500 since W6XU turned me on to it around 2009, at a fraction
> of the cost. It's plugged straight into the rear panel mic jack of my
> K3s (plural, not the new K3S). Any decent electret will work as well,
> especially with the EQ built into a K3, K3S, KX3, KX2. Those large
> diaphragm mics are great for when I'm recording a symphony orchestra
> or a great jazz big band, but they are a waste in the ham shack.
>
> 73, Jim K9YC


From ewinginator at gmail.com  Sun Jun 11 11:03:54 2017
From: ewinginator at gmail.com (Jim Ewing)
Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2017 11:03:54 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Counterpoises and Grounding
Message-ID: <CA+6T3FtRaroUfUtmT8yHT5VvxvLdK6r2XW0MNZzG1guEgA4_wg@mail.gmail.com>

As someone relatively unversed in grounding and counterpoises, this thread
has been very useful to me, so thanks to Fred and Jim.

That said, Jesse Colin Young advised us thusly back in the 60's,

Come on people now,
Smile on your brother
Everybody get together
Got to love one another
Right now.

Peace and 73,

Jim Ewing
N4TMM

From cautery at montac.com  Sun Jun 11 11:17:58 2017
From: cautery at montac.com (Clay Autery)
Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2017 10:17:58 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] mic
In-Reply-To: <535214c9-9f56-fc7d-b566-c3fb72905d99@blomand.net>
References: <15c950530f1-15a0-5798@webprd-a100.mail.aol.com>
	<7021536f-5934-57c2-9c65-50b5633caaff@montac.com>
	<5eeffa06-185c-47cc-04ac-787fd8367f7d@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<535214c9-9f56-fc7d-b566-c3fb72905d99@blomand.net>
Message-ID: <2b1e9b5f-24cb-ddb0-0f5d-2857c2ab1c90@montac.com>

Well, in my admittedly inferior level of "studio engineering" skills and
experience, I must be the proverbial "blind hog", because I seemed to
have "accidentally" "tripped across" a combination and setup that does
the job well.  <just a little bit of snark...  grin>

As I told Jim, today and the last time we had this discussion.  Man
asked me what I run, and I told him.
For some folks, it's not just about doing it cheaply, not about doing it
efficiently, etc, etc...
Everyone has their own reasons why they do what they do.
I "built" and customized this mic because I wanted to do it.  It was
FUN, and that's why I use my increasingly limited time on this earth in
amateur radio.  To have fun.  <big smile>

It was an excellent academic and skills exercise, too.  And one simply
cannot argue with the results.  No less than 15 people have offered to
buy the setup sight unseen.

But, don't despair...  I still read everything you smart guys write, and
I use every little tidbit I can.  I've done my best to surround myself
with smart folks all my life.

e.g. in this instance, I used Jim's recommendations as a starting point
to set up the TX EQ on the K3s...  THANK YOU, Jim!  <smile>

73 and have a wonderful Sunday!

PS - When the mic project started, I was ALSO building a small studio
setup to do voice-over work.  <wink>

______________________
Clay Autery, KY5G

On 6/11/2017 8:29 AM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote:
> On Jim's points, I fully agree.  It seems hams are prone to over
> complicate a rather simple issue.  There's more than adequate mike
> gain in the K3S, thus I  find no technical reason for the use of an
> external preamp.   The internal EQ of the K3S again is most adequate
> to correctly tailor communications audio, even ESSB.
>
> I've found mike technique to be a very important factor in good
> quality audio.  From personal observations, many hams have and use
> poor mike technique.    The mike-to-mouth position is most critical
> and will vary with different mikes.
>
> Like Jim, I'm a retired recording studio engineer and a live stage
> performance engineer.  Nothing but experience and learning from the
> experts will improve what you do.
>
> 73
> Bob, K4TAX


From raysills3 at verizon.net  Sun Jun 11 11:22:55 2017
From: raysills3 at verizon.net (Raymond Sills)
Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2017 11:22:55 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] mic
In-Reply-To: <d884e8e4-49d9-22e0-4151-2978b3bc9231@subich.com>
Message-ID: <15c97c0353f-1a66-557b@webprd-m60.mail.aol.com>

Hi Gang:


I'll add my agreement with what other professionals have said.  And, I'm a retired Technical Supervisor for Audio and Post Production at CBS-TV.  We had a ton of really good microphones at our disposal.  But I use the MH3 with my KX3 for those rare times I use a voice mode.  Most of the time, I operate CW.  :)  If I did more voice operating, I'd get that Yamaha headset/mic combo.


73 de Ray
K2ULR
KX3 #211






-----Original Message-----
From: Joe Subich, W4TV <lists at subich.com>
To: elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Sun, Jun 11, 2017 10:40 am
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] mic


Bob and Jim have excellent points.

There is one advantage for the electret mic compared to a dynamic
mic.  Electrets are generally 26 dB "hotter" than a dynamic mic
and thus are much more resistant to common mode RF feedback and
magnetic coupling.  However, that assumes the transceiver is
designed for the higher input level and properly reduces gain
before the mic gain control.

Mics of any kind - dynamic or condenser/electret - with wide frequency
response are completely wasted for amateur radio (or any communications
application).  You really want a clean 200 Hz - 4 Hz response.  Lower
frequencies cause distortion and waste power, higher frequencies are
simply lost in the "channel noise".

Like Bob and Jim, I spent my professional life in the recording and
broadcast industries.  Amateurs waste far too much on over spec'd
microphones and fancy "brand name" advertising campaigns.

73,

    ... Joe, W4TV


On 6/11/2017 9:29 AM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote:
> On Jim's points, I fully agree.  It seems hams are prone to over 
> complicate a rather simple issue.  There's more than adequate mike gain 
> in the K3S, thus I  find no technical reason for the use of an external 
> preamp.   The internal EQ of the K3S again is most adequate to correctly 
> tailor communications audio, even ESSB.
> 
> I've found mike technique to be a very important factor in good quality 
> audio.  From personal observations, many hams have and use poor mike 
> technique.    The mike-to-mouth position is most critical and will vary 
> with different mikes.
> 
> Like Jim, I'm a retired recording studio engineer and a live stage 
> performance engineer.  Nothing but experience and learning from the 
> experts will improve what you do.
> 
> 73
> Bob, K4TAX
> 
> 
> 
> On 6/11/2017 1:06 AM, Jim Brown wrote:
>> On Sat,6/10/2017 8:02 PM, Clay Autery wrote:
>>> Customized large capsule condenser mic on a Heil PL2T boom using ONYX
>>> Blackjack for power supply/control.
>>
>> Sorry, but you guys are WAY over the edge on this. As a retired 
>> recording engineer, I own a bunch of great large and small diaphragm 
>> mics, both condensers and dynamics, that put these mics to shame, but 
>> I wouldn't waste any of them in a ham station. I'm VERY happy with a 
>> Yamaha CM500 since W6XU turned me on to it around 2009, at a fraction 
>> of the cost. It's plugged straight into the rear panel mic jack of my 
>> K3s (plural, not the new K3S). Any decent electret will work as well, 
>> especially with the EQ built into a K3, K3S, KX3, KX2. Those large 
>> diaphragm mics are great for when I'm recording a symphony orchestra 
>> or a great jazz big band, but they are a waste in the ham shack.
>>
>> 73, Jim K9YC
> 
> 
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From cautery at montac.com  Sun Jun 11 11:28:43 2017
From: cautery at montac.com (Clay Autery)
Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2017 10:28:43 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] mic
In-Reply-To: <d884e8e4-49d9-22e0-4151-2978b3bc9231@subich.com>
References: <15c950530f1-15a0-5798@webprd-a100.mail.aol.com>
	<7021536f-5934-57c2-9c65-50b5633caaff@montac.com>
	<5eeffa06-185c-47cc-04ac-787fd8367f7d@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<535214c9-9f56-fc7d-b566-c3fb72905d99@blomand.net>
	<d884e8e4-49d9-22e0-4151-2978b3bc9231@subich.com>
Message-ID: <111a0c4a-5073-3bd7-89de-77b1529993b8@montac.com>

See my earlier responses to both gentlemen.  <smile>

1) Frequency response....  yep, understand and agree.  One of the things
I learned from one of Jim's papers as a matter of fact.  Which is why I
modified the mic design slightly to produce a frequency response curve
more suited to amateur radio and as clean as I could possibly make it
within my resources.  Thanks, Jim.
2) Also why I use Jim's recommendations for TX EQ on the K3s as a
starting place to NOT waste power.  Thanks again, Jim!

I don't consider it EVER a "waste" when I 1) learn new stuff, and 2)
have fun... which of of course my primary motivation for doing ANY of
this in the first place.
And the "brand name" on my microphone is "Autery" or "KY5G".  <wink>

Have a super Sunday!!

______________________
Clay Autery, KY5G
MONTAC Enterprises
(318) 518-1389

On 6/11/2017 9:39 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:
> Mics of any kind - dynamic or condenser/electret - with wide frequency
> response are completely wasted for amateur radio (or any communications
> application).  You really want a clean 200 Hz - 4 Hz response.  Lower
> frequencies cause distortion and waste power, higher frequencies are
> simply lost in the "channel noise".
>
> Like Bob and Jim, I spent my professional life in the recording and
> broadcast industries.  Amateurs waste far too much on over spec'd
> microphones and fancy "brand name" advertising campaigns.

From km4ik.ian at gmail.com  Sun Jun 11 11:45:55 2017
From: km4ik.ian at gmail.com (Ian Kahn)
Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2017 11:45:55 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] 6m off-frequency
Message-ID: <CAFHjwP4ZLMKLEP1WTFB22aqNJ3ny8Sy4CGUreh21ixqthXkXLA@mail.gmail.com>

All,

I've been operating a little in the ARRL VHF contest this weekend, on 6m,
and I'm having an interesting, and not good, experience. Everyone I try to
work is reporting that I'm off frequency by about 500 Hz. I don't have
RIT/XIT enabled. My K3, s/n 281, went to Elecraft earlier this year for
some upgrades and a tune-up, and came back with a clean bill of health and
meets/exceeds specs.

I admit, I am new to 6m operation, but this constant report of being
off-frequency concerns me. Is there some calibration step, specific to 6m,
that I missed? I don't get this report on any other band, and have never
gotten it in over 6 years of operating this rig. My assumption is that if
it came back from the Mother Ship clean, and I've never used 6m before,
that it should be properly calibrated.

Any guidance/advice is greatly appreciated.

Thanks and 73,

--Ian
Ian Kahn, KM4IK
Roswell, GA  EM74ua
km4ik.ian at gmail.com
10-10 #74624  North Georgia Chapter #2038
PODXS 070 #1962
K3 #281, P3 #688 KAT500 #860, KPA500 #1468

From va3mw at portcredit.net  Sun Jun 11 11:46:14 2017
From: va3mw at portcredit.net (Michael Walker)
Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2017 11:46:14 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 in host/server mode - intermittent failures
Message-ID: <CA+33ts5gCBUu7xWguFau47mYiZt-7XmCpO8WD=BZf5jaS8Vf0Q@mail.gmail.com>

I am having an issue with the KPA500 software.

It works fine on one PC, but when you use it in client/server mode, which I
do a lot, It randomly fails on the the client PC.  I can see what it is
doing, but no joy for any commands.  It has worked at times.  it is also
not a timeout issue.

The network is both devices on the same subnet plugged into the same switch
with 3ft cables.  Other applications like PSTRotatorAZ work fine when doing
something similar.

The ports and ip addresses are correct.  One other ham friend of mine
reports the same intermittent failure.

Is anyone else using this mode and having similar issues?

Mike va3mw

ps.  I would include screen shots, but the small image size restriction
makes is hard to do.

From wa2eio at optonline.net  Sun Jun 11 11:54:32 2017
From: wa2eio at optonline.net (Ron Manfredi)
Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2017 11:54:32 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] 6m off-frequency
In-Reply-To: <CAFHjwP4ZLMKLEP1WTFB22aqNJ3ny8Sy4CGUreh21ixqthXkXLA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFHjwP4ZLMKLEP1WTFB22aqNJ3ny8Sy4CGUreh21ixqthXkXLA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <624aff9a-efbe-2dcc-8a40-76b235eaa8c1@optonline.net>

Have you experienced this on other bands, during casual operating since 
the rig was returned to you?

I find that when I am on SSB, I tune until my ear may likes what I am 
hearing , and as such,  I may not be exactly on their frequency.   (that 
is one reason for RIT!)  Also, I have found that some ops feel that they 
have to be tuned to an even frequency on their digital display.   For 
them, if you are on 14.219.8 and not on 14.220.0  then you are off 
frequency.


Ron  WA2EIO


On 6/11/2017 11:45 AM, Ian Kahn wrote:
> All,
>
> I've been operating a little in the ARRL VHF contest this weekend, on 6m,
> and I'm having an interesting, and not good, experience. Everyone I try to
> work is reporting that I'm off frequency by about 500 Hz. I don't have
> RIT/XIT enabled. My K3, s/n 281, went to Elecraft earlier this year for
> some upgrades and a tune-up, and came back with a clean bill of health and
> meets/exceeds specs.
>
> I admit, I am new to 6m operation, but this constant report of being
> off-frequency concerns me. Is there some calibration step, specific to 6m,
> that I missed? I don't get this report on any other band, and have never
> gotten it in over 6 years of operating this rig. My assumption is that if
> it came back from the Mother Ship clean, and I've never used 6m before,
> that it should be properly calibrated.
>
> Any guidance/advice is greatly appreciated.
>
> Thanks and 73,
>
> --Ian
> Ian Kahn, KM4IK
> Roswell, GA  EM74ua
> km4ik.ian at gmail.com
> 10-10 #74624  North Georgia Chapter #2038
> PODXS 070 #1962
> K3 #281, P3 #688 KAT500 #860, KPA500 #1468
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From d.cutter at ntlworld.com  Sun Jun 11 11:55:13 2017
From: d.cutter at ntlworld.com (David Cutter)
Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2017 16:55:13 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] Counterpoises and Grounding
In-Reply-To: <B419527DEC9A4B648BD873D83BB3EC67@stanPC>
References: <B419527DEC9A4B648BD873D83BB3EC67@stanPC>
Message-ID: <77AD195EF87B4EC38A6CF251F3AA03E9@DavidPC>

Hello Stan

My note is a little off topic because I like to remove the counterpoise all 
together by addressing the issue of common mode current.

I thought that, rather than getting embroiled with definitions, I would 
offer something different. You don't say what bands you operate but your 
crucial point is you are up in the sky so to speak and I've been there and 
suffered accordingly.

*Until recently* no commercial antenna manufacturer had conquered the mighty 
common mode current problem of the off-centre-fed dipole.  Since you run QRP 
you don't need anything big or heavy duty, you might consider the offerings 
from Spiderbeam. They currently do a 40m version which covers all bands to 
6m and your KX3 will handle any slight mis-match with ease.  A friend of 
mine ran one of these as a sloper out of his window using a KX3 and got 
excellent results.  No external tuning box or counterpoise is necessary, 
it's all handled in the special dual choke balun.  I understand they are 
working on an 80m version. I have no commercial connection with the company.

If you prefer to build your own aerials, then you can see the website for 
DJ0IP who in my opinion is now the world authority on these aerials having 
done more research and *practical testing* than anyone.  I doubt if that's 
an exaggeration.  On his website you will see how to make your own quite 
inexpensively.  There is also a lively and progressive forum dedicated to 
the ocfd.

If you would like to know more, do get in touch.

73

David
G3UNA

ps I use a special version of the ocfd called the end-connected off centre 
fed dipole.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Stan GW3SRM" <stan.gw3srm at uwclub.net>
To: <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Saturday, June 10, 2017 7:40 PM
Subject: [Elecraft] Counterpoises and Grounding


>I note that the subject of counterpoises has been debated many times in 
>this
> forum but I have not seen the subject of tuneable artificial grounds
> discussed. As no doubt many are aware, operating from a location remote 
> from
> the ground has its problems in ensuring effective grounding, especially 
> with
> end fed wire antennas. I have this problem as I operate from an upstairs
> shack. I have overcome the difficulty by using a tuneable counterpoise
> arrangement in conjunction with my end fed wire antenna. The EFW antenna 
> is
> approximately 66ft (20m) long and the counterpoise wire 16ft (5m).
>
> Using my homebrew AGT and my KX3 is a simple process to tune for 
> resonance.
> a) Tune to the desired frequency using the internal KX3 auto tuner. b) 
> Tune
> for maximum current using the AGT meter (low power recommended for 
> tuning).
> Repeat the process as necessary to obtain best match. Usually 1:0 or 1:1
> (KX3 reading). I only operate with 5 or 10 Watts. Apart from overcoming
> grounding problems you get a resonate grounding system not an 
> approximately
> resonate one as used in most circumstances. This in my view, is a suitable
> compromise in overcoming difficult grounding conditions, although I do not
> advocate it in preference to an extensive grounding system where 
> conditions
> permit. One point to note is that if an external power supply is used the
> output must be isolated from ground and suitable precautions taken against
> lighting strikes. Many designs for simple homebrew AFT projects are
> available on the web and MFJ also do one commercially. Obviously different
> or different multiple lengths of counterpoise wires can be used to get the
> best setup with your antenna.
>
>
>
> 73 Stan GW3SRM
> 


From kw9e at wi.rr.com  Sun Jun 11 11:55:29 2017
From: kw9e at wi.rr.com (Peter LaBissoniere)
Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2017 10:55:29 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 water resistant case
In-Reply-To: <0c6a7db4-601f-b374-4267-0b08d199f1a0@comcast.net>
References: <CAGdsaPUz0hmH=L2+TRGhsJgXFR47v_r2kYQ=enUrEE+pAixMhA@mail.gmail.com>
	<B5C41F61-A733-4EC3-930F-40E5A61AEE60@gmail.com>
	<BN6PR15MB14250FA1D334591F158D995DFACC0@BN6PR15MB1425.namprd15.prod.outlook.com>
	<0c6a7db4-601f-b374-4267-0b08d199f1a0@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <9BC2243D-83F7-470D-A858-EF62AB8FCF9C@wi.rr.com>

It depends on your needs. This $6 watertight case seems to fit for me. I will put this into my small Kelty sling bag (now they call it a tactical sling) and have plenty more space for extras, and carry hands free on my back. The big Pelican case is way too big and overkill in this scenario.


> On Jun 10, 2017, at 11:02 PM, Augie Gus Hansen <augie.hansen at comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> 
>> On 6/10/2017 8:23 PM, kevino z wrote:
>> I think the Pelican 1200 is a better fit for the KX2 or KX3, since it gives room for the Mic and the paddle (and heatsink if you have one).
> 
> Agreed. I use the Pelican 1200 for the KX2 plus accessories, and the manual that I need to refer to from time to time fits perfectly, too.
> 
> Gus Hansen
> KB0YH
> 
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From va3mw at portcredit.net  Sun Jun 11 12:02:23 2017
From: va3mw at portcredit.net (Michael Walker)
Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2017 12:02:23 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 water resistant case
In-Reply-To: <9BC2243D-83F7-470D-A858-EF62AB8FCF9C@wi.rr.com>
References: <CAGdsaPUz0hmH=L2+TRGhsJgXFR47v_r2kYQ=enUrEE+pAixMhA@mail.gmail.com>
	<B5C41F61-A733-4EC3-930F-40E5A61AEE60@gmail.com>
	<BN6PR15MB14250FA1D334591F158D995DFACC0@BN6PR15MB1425.namprd15.prod.outlook.com>
	<0c6a7db4-601f-b374-4267-0b08d199f1a0@comcast.net>
	<9BC2243D-83F7-470D-A858-EF62AB8FCF9C@wi.rr.com>
Message-ID: <CA+33ts6SnJcTjMJBwyFPunUAVVMQ7hGsTHMhCp7PBx8auH7KOA@mail.gmail.com>

I just checked my case.

Pelican 1200 and it hold everything I need without being too big.

For $40, it is a great deal
https://www.amazon.com/Pelican-1200-Case-Foam-Black/dp/B0002INQT2/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1497196900&sr=8-1&keywords=pelican+1200

Mike va3mw


On Sun, Jun 11, 2017 at 11:55 AM, Peter LaBissoniere <kw9e at wi.rr.com> wrote:

> It depends on your needs. This $6 watertight case seems to fit for me. I
> will put this into my small Kelty sling bag (now they call it a tactical
> sling) and have plenty more space for extras, and carry hands free on my
> back. The big Pelican case is way too big and overkill in this scenario.
>
>
> > On Jun 10, 2017, at 11:02 PM, Augie Gus Hansen <augie.hansen at comcast.net>
> wrote:
> >
> >
> >> On 6/10/2017 8:23 PM, kevino z wrote:
> >> I think the Pelican 1200 is a better fit for the KX2 or KX3, since it
> gives room for the Mic and the paddle (and heatsink if you have one).
> >
> > Agreed. I use the Pelican 1200 for the KX2 plus accessories, and the
> manual that I need to refer to from time to time fits perfectly, too.
> >
> > Gus Hansen
> > KB0YH
> >
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From km4ik.ian at gmail.com  Sun Jun 11 12:16:35 2017
From: km4ik.ian at gmail.com (Ian Kahn, KM4IK)
Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2017 12:16:35 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] 6m off-frequency
In-Reply-To: <624aff9a-efbe-2dcc-8a40-76b235eaa8c1@optonline.net>
References: <CAFHjwP4ZLMKLEP1WTFB22aqNJ3ny8Sy4CGUreh21ixqthXkXLA@mail.gmail.com>
	<624aff9a-efbe-2dcc-8a40-76b235eaa8c1@optonline.net>
Message-ID: <03a201d2e2ce$19affcf0$4d0ff6d0$@gmail.com>

Ron/All,

As I state in my original email, I don't have this issue on any other band.
The first couple of times other ops reported me off frequency a bit, I
thought the issue to be as you suggest - differences in how different ops
hear the signal, a 1-2 Hz difference, etc. However, EVERY operator I tried
to contact reported the same thing - that I am off frequency by about 500
Hz, that I need to adjust my RIT (which is not enabled), etc. That's why I'm
concerned about a possible issue. I was also using my P3 to tune to signals,
so I feel fairly certain that I was, in fact, on frequency as my receiver
saw it.

Thanks and 73

Ian Kahn, KM4IK
Roswell, GA? EM74ua
km4ik.ian at gmail.com
10-10 #74624 ?North Georgia Chapter #2038
PODXS 070 #1962
K3 #281, P3 #688 KAT500 #860, KPA500 #1468

-----Original Message-----
From: Ron Manfredi [mailto:wa2eio at optonline.net] 
Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2017 11:55 AM
To: Ian Kahn <km4ik.ian at gmail.com>; elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] 6m off-frequency

Have you experienced this on other bands, during casual operating since the
rig was returned to you?

I find that when I am on SSB, I tune until my ear may likes what I am 
hearing , and as such,  I may not be exactly on their frequency.   (that 
is one reason for RIT!)  Also, I have found that some ops feel that they 
have to be tuned to an even frequency on their digital display.   For 
them, if you are on 14.219.8 and not on 14.220.0  then you are off
frequency.


Ron  WA2EIO


On 6/11/2017 11:45 AM, Ian Kahn wrote:
> All,
>
> I've been operating a little in the ARRL VHF contest this weekend, on 6m,
> and I'm having an interesting, and not good, experience. Everyone I try to
> work is reporting that I'm off frequency by about 500 Hz. I don't have
> RIT/XIT enabled. My K3, s/n 281, went to Elecraft earlier this year for
> some upgrades and a tune-up, and came back with a clean bill of health and
> meets/exceeds specs.
>
> I admit, I am new to 6m operation, but this constant report of being
> off-frequency concerns me. Is there some calibration step, specific to 6m,
> that I missed? I don't get this report on any other band, and have never
> gotten it in over 6 years of operating this rig. My assumption is that if
> it came back from the Mother Ship clean, and I've never used 6m before,
> that it should be properly calibrated.
>
> Any guidance/advice is greatly appreciated.
>
> Thanks and 73,
>
> --Ian
> Ian Kahn, KM4IK
> Roswell, GA  EM74ua
> km4ik.ian at gmail.com
> 10-10 #74624  North Georgia Chapter #2038
> PODXS 070 #1962
> K3 #281, P3 #688 KAT500 #860, KPA500 #1468
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From tnnyswy at yahoo.com  Sun Jun 11 12:31:30 2017
From: tnnyswy at yahoo.com (tnnyswy at yahoo.com)
Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2017 16:31:30 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] mic
In-Reply-To: <5dedcf4d-175f-6809-b840-5208e6df8c16@montac.com>
References: <15c950530f1-15a0-5798@webprd-a100.mail.aol.com>
	<7021536f-5934-57c2-9c65-50b5633caaff@montac.com>
	<5eeffa06-185c-47cc-04ac-787fd8367f7d@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<5dedcf4d-175f-6809-b840-5208e6df8c16@montac.com>
Message-ID: <1854169774.7324314.1497198690311@mail.yahoo.com>

Am I the only one here that is thinking.Why the CHASTISEMENT?!!!Clay did a little bit of "Experimenting" and! He is quickly, and promptly reminded thathe has broken PROTOCOL!
Isn't Ham Radio about Experimenting? 

((((73)))) Milverton / W9MMS.

      From: Clay Autery <cautery at montac.com>
 To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net 
 Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2017 10:01 AM
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] mic
   
Jim, we've already had this discussion.? <smile>

Man asked me what I was running, and I told him.? I like it.? It's a
wonderful mic.? It does the job..... well!
I like nice things.? Not like I'm trying to use it on a DXpedition. <wink>

I find pleasure in having, using, and BUILDING nice things.? It's not
about the money or doing the job.... If I wanted that, I'd still be
working a J-O-B.

As my Mamaw used to say, "Clay, that's why they make different flavors
of ice cream."

Have a great day!? <big smile>

73,

______________________
Clay Autery, KY5G

On 6/11/2017 1:06 AM, Jim Brown wrote:
> On Sat,6/10/2017 8:02 PM, Clay Autery wrote:
>> Customized large capsule condenser mic on a Heil PL2T boom using ONYX
>> Blackjack for power supply/control.
>
> Sorry, but you guys are WAY over the edge on this. As a retired
> recording engineer, I own a bunch of great large and small diaphragm
> mics, both condensers and dynamics, that put these mics to shame, but
> I wouldn't waste any of them in a ham station. I'm VERY happy with a
> Yamaha CM500 since W6XU turned me on to it around 2009, at a fraction
> of the cost. It's plugged straight into the rear panel mic jack of my
> K3s (plural, not the new K3S). Any decent electret will work as well,
> especially with the EQ built into a K3, K3S, KX3, KX2. Those large
> diaphragm mics are great for when I'm recording a symphony orchestra
> or a great jazz big band, but they are a waste in the ham shack.
>
> 73, Jim K9YC

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From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Sun Jun 11 12:55:12 2017
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2017 12:55:12 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] 6m off-frequency
In-Reply-To: <03a201d2e2ce$19affcf0$4d0ff6d0$@gmail.com>
References: <CAFHjwP4ZLMKLEP1WTFB22aqNJ3ny8Sy4CGUreh21ixqthXkXLA@mail.gmail.com>
	<624aff9a-efbe-2dcc-8a40-76b235eaa8c1@optonline.net>
	<03a201d2e2ce$19affcf0$4d0ff6d0$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <87b81719-6e77-4009-a59e-802b255911d3@embarqmail.com>

Ian,

Can you receive any station at a known frequency.  Here in the US it is 
easy to use WWV, but other standard frequency stations exist around the 
world.

Tune to the standard frequency station and do the Reference Oscillator 
Calibration.  K3 manual page 50.  Use Method 2.

I cannot guarantee it will fix the problem, but it is the first thing to 
try.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 6/11/2017 12:16 PM, Ian Kahn, KM4IK wrote:
> Ron/All,
> 
> As I state in my original email, I don't have this issue on any other band.
> The first couple of times other ops reported me off frequency a bit, I
> thought the issue to be as you suggest - differences in how different ops
> hear the signal, a 1-2 Hz difference, etc. However, EVERY operator I tried
> to contact reported the same thing - that I am off frequency by about 500
> Hz, that I need to adjust my RIT (which is not enabled), etc. That's why I'm
> concerned about a possible issue. I was also using my P3 to tune to signals,
> so I feel fairly certain that I was, in fact, on frequency as my receiver
> saw it.
> 

From km4ik.ian at gmail.com  Sun Jun 11 13:03:24 2017
From: km4ik.ian at gmail.com (Ian Kahn, KM4IK)
Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2017 13:03:24 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] 6m off-frequency
In-Reply-To: <87b81719-6e77-4009-a59e-802b255911d3@embarqmail.com>
References: <CAFHjwP4ZLMKLEP1WTFB22aqNJ3ny8Sy4CGUreh21ixqthXkXLA@mail.gmail.com>
	<624aff9a-efbe-2dcc-8a40-76b235eaa8c1@optonline.net>
	<03a201d2e2ce$19affcf0$4d0ff6d0$@gmail.com>
	<87b81719-6e77-4009-a59e-802b255911d3@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <03b301d2e2d4$a4023d40$ec06b7c0$@gmail.com>

Thanks, Don. I'll give that a try and post results here later.

73 de,

--Ian
Ian Kahn, KM4IK
Roswell, GA  EM74ua
km4ik.ian at gmail.com
10-10 #74624  North Georgia Chapter #2038
PODXS 070 #1962
K3 #281, P3 #688 KAT500 #860, KPA500 #1468

-----Original Message-----
From: Don Wilhelm [mailto:donwilh at embarqmail.com] 
Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2017 12:55 PM
To: Ian Kahn, KM4IK <km4ik.ian at gmail.com>; 'Ron Manfredi' <wa2eio at optonline.net>; elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] 6m off-frequency

Ian,

Can you receive any station at a known frequency.  Here in the US it is easy to use WWV, but other standard frequency stations exist around the world.

Tune to the standard frequency station and do the Reference Oscillator Calibration.  K3 manual page 50.  Use Method 2.

I cannot guarantee it will fix the problem, but it is the first thing to try.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 6/11/2017 12:16 PM, Ian Kahn, KM4IK wrote:
> Ron/All,
> 
> As I state in my original email, I don't have this issue on any other band.
> The first couple of times other ops reported me off frequency a bit, I 
> thought the issue to be as you suggest - differences in how different 
> ops hear the signal, a 1-2 Hz difference, etc. However, EVERY operator 
> I tried to contact reported the same thing - that I am off frequency 
> by about 500 Hz, that I need to adjust my RIT (which is not enabled), 
> etc. That's why I'm concerned about a possible issue. I was also using 
> my P3 to tune to signals, so I feel fairly certain that I was, in 
> fact, on frequency as my receiver saw it.
> 


From stevewa88 at gmail.com  Sun Jun 11 13:12:23 2017
From: stevewa88 at gmail.com (Steve Ward)
Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2017 17:12:23 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] HI CUR error with 2m module
In-Reply-To: <46a7047a-d0a4-ce79-97a1-510c32da7359@embarqmail.com>
References: <fc3ed4cc-ec5f-f13f-216c-c67b3b12d856@gmail.com>
	<46a7047a-d0a4-ce79-97a1-510c32da7359@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <CABdHdsoi0i1Y2S+2LbvuKSwL4AncBmCAKHcgZaXbskDV+efK1g@mail.gmail.com>

Tried it again today and worked FB.  Suspect some cruft in the right angle
adaptor or the antenna itself. Some canned air and maybe some DeOxit might
be tried if problem reappears...

73,

On Sun, Jun 11, 2017 at 4:31 AM Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com> wrote:

> Steve,
>
> Do you have a dummy load that is good up through 148MHz?
> If so, Connect it and see if you get the same error.
> If not, investigate your antenna and feedline.
> If it is still present, contact K3support.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 6/10/2017 8:08 PM, Steve Ward wrote:
> > I'm pretty sure I've seen something about this before.  I just got my
> > KX3-2M that I ordered at Sea-Pac, and installed it in my radio tonight.
> > Everything seems OK except when I try to transmit I get a HI CUR error
> > unless I keep output power below 1.2 watts.  I'm running from a 35A
> > linear PS so supply isn't the issue...
> >
> > The only thing I saw in the archive was a mention about a loose SMA
> > connector, but everything looks OK in that respect.  Any thoughts?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Steve
> > AD7OG
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From b.denley at comcast.net  Sun Jun 11 14:20:40 2017
From: b.denley at comcast.net (Brian Denley)
Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2017 14:20:40 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] mic
In-Reply-To: <535214c9-9f56-fc7d-b566-c3fb72905d99@blomand.net>
References: <15c950530f1-15a0-5798@webprd-a100.mail.aol.com>
	<7021536f-5934-57c2-9c65-50b5633caaff@montac.com>
	<5eeffa06-185c-47cc-04ac-787fd8367f7d@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<535214c9-9f56-fc7d-b566-c3fb72905d99@blomand.net>
Message-ID: <7708E236-D5E0-4301-8F58-69E658A3A6A1@comcast.net>

Bob:
I actually need the preamp with some mics, especially the dynamics  I don't have a K3.   My K2 doesn't have much mic gain.  My other rigs do.

Brian 
KB1VBF
Sent from my iPad

> On Jun 11, 2017, at 9:29 AM, Bob McGraw K4TAX <rmcgraw at blomand.net> wrote:
> 
> On Jim's points, I fully agree.  It seems hams are prone to over complicate a rather simple issue.  There's more than adequate mike gain in the K3S, thus I  find no technical reason for the use of an external preamp.   The internal EQ of the K3S again is most adequate to correctly tailor communications audio, even ESSB.
> 
> I've found mike technique to be a very important factor in good quality audio.  From personal observations, many hams have and use poor mike technique.    The mike-to-mouth position is most critical and will vary with different mikes.
> 
> Like Jim, I'm a retired recording studio engineer and a live stage performance engineer.  Nothing but experience and learning from the experts will improve what you do.
> 
> 73
> Bob, K4TAX
> 
> 
> 
>> On 6/11/2017 1:06 AM, Jim Brown wrote:
>>> On Sat,6/10/2017 8:02 PM, Clay Autery wrote:
>>> Customized large capsule condenser mic on a Heil PL2T boom using ONYX
>>> Blackjack for power supply/control.
>> 
>> Sorry, but you guys are WAY over the edge on this. As a retired recording engineer, I own a bunch of great large and small diaphragm mics, both condensers and dynamics, that put these mics to shame, but I wouldn't waste any of them in a ham station. I'm VERY happy with a Yamaha CM500 since W6XU turned me on to it around 2009, at a fraction of the cost. It's plugged straight into the rear panel mic jack of my K3s (plural, not the new K3S). Any decent electret will work as well, especially with the EQ built into a K3, K3S, KX3, KX2. Those large diaphragm mics are great for when I'm recording a symphony orchestra or a great jazz big band, but they are a waste in the ham shack.
>> 
>> 73, Jim K9YC
> 
> 
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From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Sun Jun 11 14:26:51 2017
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2017 11:26:51 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] mic
In-Reply-To: <7708E236-D5E0-4301-8F58-69E658A3A6A1@comcast.net>
References: <15c950530f1-15a0-5798@webprd-a100.mail.aol.com>
	<7021536f-5934-57c2-9c65-50b5633caaff@montac.com>
	<5eeffa06-185c-47cc-04ac-787fd8367f7d@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<535214c9-9f56-fc7d-b566-c3fb72905d99@blomand.net>
	<7708E236-D5E0-4301-8F58-69E658A3A6A1@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <4d3974f7-3966-40ac-1084-b6ba14ad68a8@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On Sun,6/11/2017 11:20 AM, Brian Denley wrote:
> Bob:
> I actually need the preamp with some mics, especially the dynamics  I don't have a K3.   My K2 doesn't have much mic gain.  My other rigs do.

Yes, that's a known issue. MANY years ago I worked out a simple mod for 
the K2 to add 6-8 dB of gain for a dynamic mic and add some LF rolloff. 
I think W3FPR has notes on it. There are other mods further along the 
signal chain, but they are not as simple.

73, Jim K9YC


From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Sun Jun 11 14:28:07 2017
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2017 13:28:07 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] 6m off-frequency
In-Reply-To: <03a201d2e2ce$19affcf0$4d0ff6d0$@gmail.com>
References: <CAFHjwP4ZLMKLEP1WTFB22aqNJ3ny8Sy4CGUreh21ixqthXkXLA@mail.gmail.com>
	<624aff9a-efbe-2dcc-8a40-76b235eaa8c1@optonline.net>
	<03a201d2e2ce$19affcf0$4d0ff6d0$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <94fc9eef-b897-bc4d-9f56-a33050650e06@blomand.net>

You say RIT is not engaged, but what about XIT?   Either of these being 
ON can cause an issue in this regard.    Additionally, the way one 
person tunes to a SSB station may cause some frequency disparity between 
two stations.   Excercise: with eyes closed, tune to a station and then 
look at the display.

Also, the advent of digital readouts can cause this type of discussion 
to arise.  Seems that everyone thinks the digital display is absolutely 
accurate.  In most cases it is not a frequency measuring system but 
rather a frequency display based on certain accepted oscillator 
frequencies {which may or may not be absolute}  and math calculations if 
the firmware.   It seems that we've migrated to setting the radio with 
the display to be on a specific indicated value.

73

Bob, K4TAX





From z_kevino at hotmail.com  Sun Jun 11 14:45:23 2017
From: z_kevino at hotmail.com (kevino z)
Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2017 18:45:23 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] mic
In-Reply-To: <d884e8e4-49d9-22e0-4151-2978b3bc9231@subich.com>
References: <15c950530f1-15a0-5798@webprd-a100.mail.aol.com>
	<7021536f-5934-57c2-9c65-50b5633caaff@montac.com>
	<5eeffa06-185c-47cc-04ac-787fd8367f7d@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<535214c9-9f56-fc7d-b566-c3fb72905d99@blomand.net>,
	<d884e8e4-49d9-22e0-4151-2978b3bc9231@subich.com>
Message-ID: <BN6PR15MB142584AB8EFA6DA176D37A84FACC0@BN6PR15MB1425.namprd15.prod.outlook.com>

Although headsets like my Heil Pro 7 may be more money, am I really "wasting" money on buying a "fancy brand name"  considering the unit consists of mic and incredible speakers? It is a complete package. Besides the amazing electret mic, the sound from the headphones helps me to enjoy the hobby more and allows me to pick out signals I would not be able to without them. I don't think you meant to, but your post came off as if we bought some snake oil.

-Kevin (KK4YEL)

No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However, a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced !

> On Jun 11, 2017, at 10:41, Joe Subich, W4TV <lists at subich.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> Bob and Jim have excellent points.
> 
> There is one advantage for the electret mic compared to a dynamic
> mic.  Electrets are generally 26 dB "hotter" than a dynamic mic
> and thus are much more resistant to common mode RF feedback and
> magnetic coupling.  However, that assumes the transceiver is
> designed for the higher input level and properly reduces gain
> before the mic gain control.
> 
> Mics of any kind - dynamic or condenser/electret - with wide frequency
> response are completely wasted for amateur radio (or any communications
> application).  You really want a clean 200 Hz - 4 Hz response.  Lower
> frequencies cause distortion and waste power, higher frequencies are
> simply lost in the "channel noise".
> 
> Like Bob and Jim, I spent my professional life in the recording and
> broadcast industries.  Amateurs waste far too much on over spec'd
> microphones and fancy "brand name" advertising campaigns.
> 
> 73,
> 
>   ... Joe, W4TV

From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Sun Jun 11 15:06:54 2017
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2017 12:06:54 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] mic
In-Reply-To: <BN6PR15MB142584AB8EFA6DA176D37A84FACC0@BN6PR15MB1425.namprd15.prod.outlook.com>
References: <15c950530f1-15a0-5798@webprd-a100.mail.aol.com>
	<7021536f-5934-57c2-9c65-50b5633caaff@montac.com>
	<5eeffa06-185c-47cc-04ac-787fd8367f7d@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<535214c9-9f56-fc7d-b566-c3fb72905d99@blomand.net>
	<d884e8e4-49d9-22e0-4151-2978b3bc9231@subich.com>
	<BN6PR15MB142584AB8EFA6DA176D37A84FACC0@BN6PR15MB1425.namprd15.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <306b85f8-bd4b-e614-6c39-d0d50ee05ae5@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On Sun,6/11/2017 11:45 AM, kevino z wrote:
> I don't think you meant to, but your post came off as if we bought some snake oil.

Heil IS snake oil. As audio professionals say about Bose, "better sound 
through marketing."

The Yamaha CM500 and Koss SB45 are at least as good, and cost a LOT less.

73, Jim K9YC


From mglenn at cox.net  Sun Jun 11 15:37:54 2017
From: mglenn at cox.net (Mark Glenn)
Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2017 12:37:54 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] NorCal 40a
Message-ID: <00e601d2e2ea$38a33390$a9e99ab0$@cox.net>

Wayne & Eric,

 

I listened to Eric Guth's interview of Wayne on the QSO Today podcast where the
NorCal 40a was discussed, along with  <http://amzn.to/2s9g6wR> David B.
Rutledge's book.  It looks like the NorCal 40a is no longer available in kit
form.  I was wondering if Elecraft would consider bringing that kit back to
general availability.  It seems that there could be a market for it in the
education space, particularly if sold along with Prof. Rutledge's book. 

 

73,

Mark Glenn

K7MJG

 

K3/KX3 & KXPA100/KX1 (2)/K1


From lists at subich.com  Sun Jun 11 15:55:59 2017
From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV)
Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2017 15:55:59 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] mic
In-Reply-To: <BN6PR15MB142584AB8EFA6DA176D37A84FACC0@BN6PR15MB1425.namprd15.prod.outlook.com>
References: <15c950530f1-15a0-5798@webprd-a100.mail.aol.com>
	<7021536f-5934-57c2-9c65-50b5633caaff@montac.com>
	<5eeffa06-185c-47cc-04ac-787fd8367f7d@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<535214c9-9f56-fc7d-b566-c3fb72905d99@blomand.net>
	<d884e8e4-49d9-22e0-4151-2978b3bc9231@subich.com>
	<BN6PR15MB142584AB8EFA6DA176D37A84FACC0@BN6PR15MB1425.namprd15.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <78a39684-f53a-3126-dc28-c364f2fbeb65@subich.com>


On 6/11/2017 2:45 PM, kevino z wrote:
> Although headsets like my Heil Pro 7 may be more money, am I really
> "wasting" money on buying a "fancy brand name"  considering the
> unit consists of mic and incredible speakers?

Yes, at about $250 retail (plus adapter cable), the Pro 7 is more than
five times as expensive as the Yamaha CM-500 (electret mic), Koss SB40
(dynamic mic) or SB45 (electret mic) headsets.   Both the Yamaha and
Koss headsets have outstanding 120 Ohm headset drivers with sensitivity
rated at 96dB/mW and microphones well tailored for voice work.  Heil
does not even publish the impedance or sensitivity for their headset
drivers!

For the price of a Heil Pro 7 one could get a Broadcast headset like
the Audio Technica BPHS1 ($199), Sennheiser HMD280 ($249) or Shure
BRH440M ($249) - all of which are significantly higher quality than
the Pro7 (and field proven).

73,

    ... Joe, W4TV


On 6/11/2017 2:45 PM, kevino z wrote:
> Although headsets like my Heil Pro 7 may be more money, am I really "wasting" money on buying a "fancy brand name"  considering the unit consists of mic and incredible speakers? It is a complete package. Besides the amazing electret mic, the sound from the headphones helps me to enjoy the hobby more and allows me to pick out signals I would not be able to without them. I don't think you meant to, but your post came off as if we bought some snake oil.
> 
> -Kevin (KK4YEL)
> 
> No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However, a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced !
> 
>> On Jun 11, 2017, at 10:41, Joe Subich, W4TV <lists at subich.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Bob and Jim have excellent points.
>>
>> There is one advantage for the electret mic compared to a dynamic
>> mic.  Electrets are generally 26 dB "hotter" than a dynamic mic
>> and thus are much more resistant to common mode RF feedback and
>> magnetic coupling.  However, that assumes the transceiver is
>> designed for the higher input level and properly reduces gain
>> before the mic gain control.
>>
>> Mics of any kind - dynamic or condenser/electret - with wide frequency
>> response are completely wasted for amateur radio (or any communications
>> application).  You really want a clean 200 Hz - 4 Hz response.  Lower
>> frequencies cause distortion and waste power, higher frequencies are
>> simply lost in the "channel noise".
>>
>> Like Bob and Jim, I spent my professional life in the recording and
>> broadcast industries.  Amateurs waste far too much on over spec'd
>> microphones and fancy "brand name" advertising campaigns.
>>
>> 73,
>>
>>    ... Joe, W4TV
> 

From w2blc at nycap.rr.com  Sun Jun 11 16:03:43 2017
From: w2blc at nycap.rr.com (Bill)
Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2017 16:03:43 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] mic
In-Reply-To: <78a39684-f53a-3126-dc28-c364f2fbeb65@subich.com>
References: <78a39684-f53a-3126-dc28-c364f2fbeb65@subich.com>
Message-ID: <1e03054a-24a3-4e81-e57d-514a212545bf@nycap.rr.com>

After having tinkered with many different kinds of mics on the K3 - I 
feel very confident in saying that a K3 can make ANY mic sound great. It 
is all about learning to use the menu settings and not about how much 
you spend for the microphone.

This is not to say that some microphones are not physically better 
built, or may look better to the beholder. It is only about how they can 
be made to sound.

Bill W2BLC K3-Line

-- 
Many of life's problems can be solved by simply deciding what
we can do without. - John Dolan

-- 
Many of life's problems can be solved by simply deciding what
we can do without. - John Dolan


From k6dgw at foothill.net  Sun Jun 11 16:22:13 2017
From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen)
Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2017 13:22:13 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] 6m off-frequency
In-Reply-To: <94fc9eef-b897-bc4d-9f56-a33050650e06@blomand.net>
References: <CAFHjwP4ZLMKLEP1WTFB22aqNJ3ny8Sy4CGUreh21ixqthXkXLA@mail.gmail.com>
	<624aff9a-efbe-2dcc-8a40-76b235eaa8c1@optonline.net>
	<03a201d2e2ce$19affcf0$4d0ff6d0$@gmail.com>
	<94fc9eef-b897-bc4d-9f56-a33050650e06@blomand.net>
Message-ID: <218fc8f7-68e0-7239-474f-8cdd83e6ad33@foothill.net>

Indeed!  The huge gulf between "precision" and "accuracy."   A display 
with gobs of decimal places can be colossally but precisely wrong.  It 
is also true that frequencies that end in .000 are "better" for many 
people so I avoid them when looking for a run frequency. [:-)

This problem on 6 meters sure sounds like XIT or maybe SPLIT is engaged 
for that band and has been remembered.  Years ago, 30 meters went dead 
with infinite SWR on my K3 -- all the rest were fine.  Wayne finally 
telephoned me and his first question was, "Which antenna is selected?"  
Antenna selection is remembered by band.

73,

Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

On 6/11/17 11:28 AM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote:
>
> Also, the advent of digital readouts can cause this type of discussion 
> to arise.  Seems that everyone thinks the digital display is 
> absolutely accurate.  In most cases it is not a frequency measuring 
> system but rather a frequency display based on certain accepted 
> oscillator frequencies {which may or may not be absolute}  and math 
> calculations if the firmware.   It seems that we've migrated to 
> setting the radio with the display to be on a specific indicated value.


From k6dgw at foothill.net  Sun Jun 11 16:29:37 2017
From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen)
Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2017 13:29:37 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] mic
In-Reply-To: <78a39684-f53a-3126-dc28-c364f2fbeb65@subich.com>
References: <15c950530f1-15a0-5798@webprd-a100.mail.aol.com>
	<7021536f-5934-57c2-9c65-50b5633caaff@montac.com>
	<5eeffa06-185c-47cc-04ac-787fd8367f7d@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<535214c9-9f56-fc7d-b566-c3fb72905d99@blomand.net>
	<d884e8e4-49d9-22e0-4151-2978b3bc9231@subich.com>
	<BN6PR15MB142584AB8EFA6DA176D37A84FACC0@BN6PR15MB1425.namprd15.prod.outlook.com>
	<78a39684-f53a-3126-dc28-c364f2fbeb65@subich.com>
Message-ID: <b5aafc0b-0b11-0b10-8154-1fb26230560e@foothill.net>

Just curious ... I inherited a David Clark noise cancelling aviation 
headset/mic from a neighbor who was a US Forest Service pilot.  I've 
never tried it, the connector is strange.  I'm not even sure I know 
where it is right now.  Will it work with my K3 if I can find it and get 
the connector compatible?  I know they're expensive.

Maybe it will cancel the powerline noise on 80? [:-))

73,

Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

On 6/11/17 12:55 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:
>
> On 6/11/2017 2:45 PM, kevino z wrote:
>> Although headsets like my Heil Pro 7 may be more money, am I really
>> "wasting" money on buying a "fancy brand name"  considering the
>> unit consists of mic and incredible speakers?
>
> Yes, at about $250 retail (plus adapter cable), the Pro 7 is more than
> five times as expensive as the Yamaha CM-500 (electret mic), Koss SB40
> (dynamic mic) or SB45 (electret mic) headsets.   Both the Yamaha and
> Koss headsets have outstanding 120 Ohm headset drivers with sensitivity
> rated at 96dB/mW and microphones well tailored for voice work. Heil
> does not even publish the impedance or sensitivity for their headset
> drivers!
>
> For the price of a Heil Pro 7 one could get a Broadcast headset like
> the Audio Technica BPHS1 ($199), Sennheiser HMD280 ($249) or Shure
> BRH440M ($249) - all of which are significantly higher quality than
> the Pro7 (and field proven).
>
> 73,
>
>    ... Joe, W4TV


From mzilmer at roadrunner.com  Sun Jun 11 16:39:17 2017
From: mzilmer at roadrunner.com (Matt Zilmer)
Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2017 13:39:17 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] mic
In-Reply-To: <b5aafc0b-0b11-0b10-8154-1fb26230560e@foothill.net>
References: <15c950530f1-15a0-5798@webprd-a100.mail.aol.com>
	<7021536f-5934-57c2-9c65-50b5633caaff@montac.com>
	<5eeffa06-185c-47cc-04ac-787fd8367f7d@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<535214c9-9f56-fc7d-b566-c3fb72905d99@blomand.net>
	<d884e8e4-49d9-22e0-4151-2978b3bc9231@subich.com>
	<BN6PR15MB142584AB8EFA6DA176D37A84FACC0@BN6PR15MB1425.namprd15.prod.outlook.com>
	<78a39684-f53a-3126-dc28-c364f2fbeb65@subich.com>
	<b5aafc0b-0b11-0b10-8154-1fb26230560e@foothill.net>
Message-ID: <c1755d5b-5ac4-c497-30c1-4e73c8f5a610@roadrunner.com>

It might work, Fred.  Check this page: 
http://www.acousticom.com/2015/aviation-headset-information-specs/

I always thought that aviation headsets met some earlier mic standard 
(carbon?), but this page says that's not right.  Note that the actual 
headset speakers/transducrers have a rather high impedance, though I 
suspect they may work with a K3S anyway.

Someone else can chime on a load of 300 ohms using the K3S's headphone 
driver circuit. My DCs are way too buried to find and check this right now.

73,

matt W6NIA

On 6/11/2017 1:29 PM, Fred Jensen wrote:
> Just curious ... I inherited a David Clark noise cancelling aviation 
> headset/mic from a neighbor who was a US Forest Service pilot.  I've 
> never tried it, the connector is strange.  I'm not even sure I know 
> where it is right now.  Will it work with my K3 if I can find it and 
> get the connector compatible?  I know they're expensive.
>
> Maybe it will cancel the powerline noise on 80? [:-))
>
> 73,
>
> Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
> Sparks NV DM09dn
> Washoe County
>
> On 6/11/17 12:55 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:
>>
>> On 6/11/2017 2:45 PM, kevino z wrote:
>>> Although headsets like my Heil Pro 7 may be more money, am I really
>>> "wasting" money on buying a "fancy brand name"  considering the
>>> unit consists of mic and incredible speakers?
>>
>> Yes, at about $250 retail (plus adapter cable), the Pro 7 is more than
>> five times as expensive as the Yamaha CM-500 (electret mic), Koss SB40
>> (dynamic mic) or SB45 (electret mic) headsets.   Both the Yamaha and
>> Koss headsets have outstanding 120 Ohm headset drivers with sensitivity
>> rated at 96dB/mW and microphones well tailored for voice work. Heil
>> does not even publish the impedance or sensitivity for their headset
>> drivers!
>>
>> For the price of a Heil Pro 7 one could get a Broadcast headset like
>> the Audio Technica BPHS1 ($199), Sennheiser HMD280 ($249) or Shure
>> BRH440M ($249) - all of which are significantly higher quality than
>> the Pro7 (and field proven).
>>
>> 73,
>>
>>    ... Joe, W4TV
>
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[Shiraz]


From cautery at montac.com  Sun Jun 11 16:39:28 2017
From: cautery at montac.com (Clay Autery)
Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2017 15:39:28 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] mic
In-Reply-To: <b5aafc0b-0b11-0b10-8154-1fb26230560e@foothill.net>
References: <15c950530f1-15a0-5798@webprd-a100.mail.aol.com>
	<7021536f-5934-57c2-9c65-50b5633caaff@montac.com>
	<5eeffa06-185c-47cc-04ac-787fd8367f7d@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<535214c9-9f56-fc7d-b566-c3fb72905d99@blomand.net>
	<d884e8e4-49d9-22e0-4151-2978b3bc9231@subich.com>
	<BN6PR15MB142584AB8EFA6DA176D37A84FACC0@BN6PR15MB1425.namprd15.prod.outlook.com>
	<78a39684-f53a-3126-dc28-c364f2fbeb65@subich.com>
	<b5aafc0b-0b11-0b10-8154-1fb26230560e@foothill.net>
Message-ID: <cfa545c0-0c58-2c74-4e8f-79d885cb4377@montac.com>

If you can get the pinout, I don't see why it could not be made to
work...  Just put the right connector on it...  I'd put a Y and two
connectors on it so I could plug it in the back...  I dig the clean
front face look.

My guess is that the connector was a proprietary one matching the
connector in his aircraft.  I've seen some odd ones.  :-)

______________________
Clay Autery, KY5G

On 6/11/2017 3:29 PM, Fred Jensen wrote:
> Just curious ... I inherited a David Clark noise cancelling aviation
> headset/mic from a neighbor who was a US Forest Service pilot.  I've
> never tried it, the connector is strange.  I'm not even sure I know
> where it is right now.  Will it work with my K3 if I can find it and
> get the connector compatible?  I know they're expensive.
>
> Maybe it will cancel the powerline noise on 80? [:-))
>
> 73,
>
> Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
> Sparks NV DM09dn
> Washoe County

From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Sun Jun 11 16:44:24 2017
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2017 13:44:24 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] mic
In-Reply-To: <b5aafc0b-0b11-0b10-8154-1fb26230560e@foothill.net>
References: <15c950530f1-15a0-5798@webprd-a100.mail.aol.com>
	<7021536f-5934-57c2-9c65-50b5633caaff@montac.com>
	<5eeffa06-185c-47cc-04ac-787fd8367f7d@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<535214c9-9f56-fc7d-b566-c3fb72905d99@blomand.net>
	<d884e8e4-49d9-22e0-4151-2978b3bc9231@subich.com>
	<BN6PR15MB142584AB8EFA6DA176D37A84FACC0@BN6PR15MB1425.namprd15.prod.outlook.com>
	<78a39684-f53a-3126-dc28-c364f2fbeb65@subich.com>
	<b5aafc0b-0b11-0b10-8154-1fb26230560e@foothill.net>
Message-ID: <623d95f1-68b7-cb95-74be-8f8e1de516a2@audiosystemsgroup.com>

True "noise cancelling" mics sound awful. They work on the principle of 
cancelling noise more than an inch or two from the mouth. SUPER noisy 
places like aircraft are the ONLY place to use them.

Most hams who have too much background noise either don't work the mic 
close enough (it should be an inch or two above and alongside the 
mouth), or have processing and/or mic gain turned up way too high.

73, Jim K9YC

On Sun,6/11/2017 1:29 PM, Fred Jensen wrote:
> Just curious ... I inherited a David Clark noise cancelling aviation 
> headset/mic from a neighbor who was a US Forest Service pilot.  I've 
> never tried it, the connector is strange.  I'm not even sure I know 
> where it is right now.  Will it work with my K3 if I can find it and 
> get the connector compatible?  I know they're expensive.
>
> Maybe it will cancel the powerline noise on 80? [:-))
>
> 73,
>
> Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
> Sparks NV DM09dn
> Washoe County
>
> On 6/11/17 12:55 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:
>>
>> On 6/11/2017 2:45 PM, kevino z wrote:
>>> Although headsets like my Heil Pro 7 may be more money, am I really
>>> "wasting" money on buying a "fancy brand name"  considering the
>>> unit consists of mic and incredible speakers?
>>
>> Yes, at about $250 retail (plus adapter cable), the Pro 7 is more than
>> five times as expensive as the Yamaha CM-500 (electret mic), Koss SB40
>> (dynamic mic) or SB45 (electret mic) headsets.   Both the Yamaha and
>> Koss headsets have outstanding 120 Ohm headset drivers with sensitivity
>> rated at 96dB/mW and microphones well tailored for voice work. Heil
>> does not even publish the impedance or sensitivity for their headset
>> drivers!
>>
>> For the price of a Heil Pro 7 one could get a Broadcast headset like
>> the Audio Technica BPHS1 ($199), Sennheiser HMD280 ($249) or Shure
>> BRH440M ($249) - all of which are significantly higher quality than
>> the Pro7 (and field proven).
>>
>> 73,
>>
>>    ... Joe, W4TV
>
> ______________________________________________________________
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From aa2zj at juno.com  Sun Jun 11 16:44:53 2017
From: aa2zj at juno.com (Gerry Miller)
Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2017 20:44:53 GMT
Subject: [Elecraft] Field use of Counerpiose
Message-ID: <20170611.164453.25384.0@webmail11.vgs.untd.com>


Does one ground to earth, the far end of an HF counterpoise or just let it float above ground at a field location?  I had always believed it should not be grounded.
Gerry Miller, AA2ZJ
aa2zj at juno.com
____________________________________________________________
1 Simple Trick Removes Eye Bags & Lip Lines in Seconds
Fit Mom Daily
http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/593dabef2922e2bef0e3cst02vuc

From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Sun Jun 11 16:48:14 2017
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2017 13:48:14 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] mic
In-Reply-To: <cfa545c0-0c58-2c74-4e8f-79d885cb4377@montac.com>
References: <15c950530f1-15a0-5798@webprd-a100.mail.aol.com>
	<7021536f-5934-57c2-9c65-50b5633caaff@montac.com>
	<5eeffa06-185c-47cc-04ac-787fd8367f7d@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<535214c9-9f56-fc7d-b566-c3fb72905d99@blomand.net>
	<d884e8e4-49d9-22e0-4151-2978b3bc9231@subich.com>
	<BN6PR15MB142584AB8EFA6DA176D37A84FACC0@BN6PR15MB1425.namprd15.prod.outlook.com>
	<78a39684-f53a-3126-dc28-c364f2fbeb65@subich.com>
	<b5aafc0b-0b11-0b10-8154-1fb26230560e@foothill.net>
	<cfa545c0-0c58-2c74-4e8f-79d885cb4377@montac.com>
Message-ID: <2612bbf2-4942-a5c0-9ad8-a5c09e11f722@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On Sun,6/11/2017 1:39 PM, Clay Autery wrote:
> If you can get the pinout, I don't see why it could not be made to
> work

It can be made to connect, no problem. But if it's a true 
noise-cancelling mic, it will sound awful. :)

That's very different from a DIRECTIONAL mic, which has the approximate 
pattern of a 2-el Yagi. So it receives 3-6 dB less noise, but it also 
boosts the bass, which is a bad thing for audio "punch."

The boom headset mics we've been discussing are omni-directional mics 
(all-directional). And no bass boost.

73, Jim K9YC


From sancho at frawg.org  Sun Jun 11 16:51:21 2017
From: sancho at frawg.org (Jack Spitznagel)
Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2017 15:51:21 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] mic
In-Reply-To: <b5aafc0b-0b11-0b10-8154-1fb26230560e@foothill.net>
References: <15c950530f1-15a0-5798@webprd-a100.mail.aol.com>
	<7021536f-5934-57c2-9c65-50b5633caaff@montac.com>
	<5eeffa06-185c-47cc-04ac-787fd8367f7d@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<535214c9-9f56-fc7d-b566-c3fb72905d99@blomand.net>
	<d884e8e4-49d9-22e0-4151-2978b3bc9231@subich.com>
	<BN6PR15MB142584AB8EFA6DA176D37A84FACC0@BN6PR15MB1425.namprd15.prod.outlook.com>
	<78a39684-f53a-3126-dc28-c364f2fbeb65@subich.com>
	<b5aafc0b-0b11-0b10-8154-1fb26230560e@foothill.net>
Message-ID: <0A36221D-BA89-4F35-AEA2-94BA4DDB035E@frawg.org>

Fred,

I have a widget that adapts a Sennheiser S1 av-noise canceler to my KX3. Use it for hi noise situations and it works like charm, even Massey-Ferguson mobile.? 
Try it with the David Clarks. 
Was connector a mismatched size pair of phone jacks or a complex military looking connector?

Jack -KD4IZ 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 11, 2017, at 15:29, Fred Jensen <k6dgw at foothill.net> wrote:
> 
> Just curious ... I inherited a David Clark noise cancelling aviation headset/mic from a neighbor who was a US Forest Service pilot.  I've never tried it, the connector is strange.  I'm not even sure I know where it is right now.  Will it work with my K3 if I can find it and get the connector compatible?  I know they're expensive.
> 
> Maybe it will cancel the powerline noise on 80? [:-))
> 
> 73,
> 
> Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
> Sparks NV DM09dn
> Washoe County
> 
>> On 6/11/17 12:55 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:
>> 
>>> On 6/11/2017 2:45 PM, kevino z wrote:
>>> Although headsets like my Heil Pro 7 may be more money, am I really
>>> "wasting" money on buying a "fancy brand name"  considering the
>>> unit consists of mic and incredible speakers?
>> 
>> Yes, at about $250 retail (plus adapter cable), the Pro 7 is more than
>> five times as expensive as the Yamaha CM-500 (electret mic), Koss SB40
>> (dynamic mic) or SB45 (electret mic) headsets.   Both the Yamaha and
>> Koss headsets have outstanding 120 Ohm headset drivers with sensitivity
>> rated at 96dB/mW and microphones well tailored for voice work. Heil
>> does not even publish the impedance or sensitivity for their headset
>> drivers!
>> 
>> For the price of a Heil Pro 7 one could get a Broadcast headset like
>> the Audio Technica BPHS1 ($199), Sennheiser HMD280 ($249) or Shure
>> BRH440M ($249) - all of which are significantly higher quality than
>> the Pro7 (and field proven).
>> 
>> 73,
>> 
>>   ... Joe, W4TV
> 
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From gthornton at thorntonmostullaw.com  Sun Jun 11 16:52:11 2017
From: gthornton at thorntonmostullaw.com (George Thornton)
Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2017 20:52:11 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] mic settings for PR 781
Message-ID: <6458cdf38cf747d894a203392fcd8385@Server.thorntonmostullaw.com>

I just got my K3 back from the factory after a repair and upgrade and have to re-set up my microphone.

I have the PR 781 microphone.  I was wondering what settings (mic gain, compression, TX equalization) people with this microphone have used for best results
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jim Brown
Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2017 1:44 PM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] mic

True "noise cancelling" mics sound awful. They work on the principle of
cancelling noise more than an inch or two from the mouth. SUPER noisy
places like aircraft are the ONLY place to use them.

Most hams who have too much background noise either don't work the mic
close enough (it should be an inch or two above and alongside the
mouth), or have processing and/or mic gain turned up way too high.

73, Jim K9YC

On Sun,6/11/2017 1:29 PM, Fred Jensen wrote:
> Just curious ... I inherited a David Clark noise cancelling aviation
> headset/mic from a neighbor who was a US Forest Service pilot. I've
> never tried it, the connector is strange. I'm not even sure I know
> where it is right now. Will it work with my K3 if I can find it and
> get the connector compatible? I know they're expensive.
>
> Maybe it will cancel the powerline noise on 80? [:-))
>
> 73,
>
> Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
> Sparks NV DM09dn
> Washoe County
>
> On 6/11/17 12:55 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:
>>
>> On 6/11/2017 2:45 PM, kevino z wrote:
>>> Although headsets like my Heil Pro 7 may be more money, am I really
>>> "wasting" money on buying a "fancy brand name" considering the
>>> unit consists of mic and incredible speakers?
>>
>> Yes, at about $250 retail (plus adapter cable), the Pro 7 is more than
>> five times as expensive as the Yamaha CM-500 (electret mic), Koss SB40
>> (dynamic mic) or SB45 (electret mic) headsets. Both the Yamaha and
>> Koss headsets have outstanding 120 Ohm headset drivers with sensitivity
>> rated at 96dB/mW and microphones well tailored for voice work. Heil
>> does not even publish the impedance or sensitivity for their headset
>> drivers!
>>
>> For the price of a Heil Pro 7 one could get a Broadcast headset like
>> the Audio Technica BPHS1 ($199), Sennheiser HMD280 ($249) or Shure
>> BRH440M ($249) - all of which are significantly higher quality than
>> the Pro7 (and field proven).
>>
>> 73,
>>
>> ... Joe, W4TV
>
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From cautery at montac.com  Sun Jun 11 17:01:06 2017
From: cautery at montac.com (Clay Autery)
Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2017 16:01:06 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] mic
In-Reply-To: <2612bbf2-4942-a5c0-9ad8-a5c09e11f722@audiosystemsgroup.com>
References: <15c950530f1-15a0-5798@webprd-a100.mail.aol.com>
	<7021536f-5934-57c2-9c65-50b5633caaff@montac.com>
	<5eeffa06-185c-47cc-04ac-787fd8367f7d@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<535214c9-9f56-fc7d-b566-c3fb72905d99@blomand.net>
	<d884e8e4-49d9-22e0-4151-2978b3bc9231@subich.com>
	<BN6PR15MB142584AB8EFA6DA176D37A84FACC0@BN6PR15MB1425.namprd15.prod.outlook.com>
	<78a39684-f53a-3126-dc28-c364f2fbeb65@subich.com>
	<b5aafc0b-0b11-0b10-8154-1fb26230560e@foothill.net>
	<cfa545c0-0c58-2c74-4e8f-79d885cb4377@montac.com>
	<2612bbf2-4942-a5c0-9ad8-a5c09e11f722@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Message-ID: <256516e4-75f3-e8ac-cdb9-d3bd9a961621@montac.com>

I was simply answering the question that the man asked, Jim.  <smile>
Don't reckon I even alluded to it "working well".

______________________
Clay Autery, KY5G

On 6/11/2017 3:48 PM, Jim Brown wrote:
> On Sun,6/11/2017 1:39 PM, Clay Autery wrote:
>> If you can get the pinout, I don't see why it could not be made to
>> work
>
> It can be made to connect, no problem. But if it's a true
> noise-cancelling mic, it will sound awful. :)
>
> That's very different from a DIRECTIONAL mic, which has the
> approximate pattern of a 2-el Yagi. So it receives 3-6 dB less noise,
> but it also boosts the bass, which is a bad thing for audio "punch."
>
> The boom headset mics we've been discussing are omni-directional mics
> (all-directional). And no bass boost.
>
> 73, Jim K9YC

From k6dgw at foothill.net  Sun Jun 11 17:28:37 2017
From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen)
Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2017 14:28:37 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Field use of Counerpiose
In-Reply-To: <20170611.164453.25384.0@webmail11.vgs.untd.com>
References: <20170611.164453.25384.0@webmail11.vgs.untd.com>
Message-ID: <5f9469c0-dc5d-0c85-3801-c8d5cee73f2b@foothill.net>

A counterpoise on the ground or buried a short distance [~5-10 cm] is a 
low resistance path in parallel with the much higher ground resistance 
for the return current for unbalanced antennas [verticals, end-fed 
wires, etc.]  They're often called radials or ground-screens, and in 
general, more is better, but one is a whole lot better than none.  The 
return current decreases rapidly away from the antenna so more shorter 
radials is usually better than a few longer ones.  Such a counterpoise 
wire is effectively grounded regardless of what you do at the end.  If 
it feels better to tie it to a stake in the ground, by all means do so.

An elevated counterpoise is just another element in your antenna. Length 
matters.  For a single wire fed at the end, if the counterpoise is the 
same length as the wire and elevated, it's a center-fed dipole again 
[whether or not it is resonant].  In the field, mine lays on the ground 
and is about 1.5 ft longer than the wire [~25 ft].

If you're next to salt water, toss it in.  MF survival radios [500 Kcs] 
from WW2 had a balloon or kite to raise the wire, and a weighted braid 
to toss over the side of your raft.

73,

Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

On 6/11/17 1:44 PM, Gerry Miller wrote:
> Does one ground to earth, the far end of an HF counterpoise or just let it float above ground at a field location?  I had always believed it should not be grounded.
> Gerry Miller, AA2ZJ
> aa2zj at juno.com
> ____________________________________________________________
> 1 Simple Trick Removes Eye Bags & Lip Lines in Seconds
> Fit Mom Daily
> http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/593dabef2922e2bef0e3cst02vuc
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From ebasilier at cox.net  Sun Jun 11 17:41:53 2017
From: ebasilier at cox.net (Erik Basilier)
Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2017 14:41:53 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] 6m off-frequency
In-Reply-To: <XTn11v00N45oxQM01Tn2YV>
References: <XTn11v00N45oxQM01Tn2YV>
Message-ID: <01a101d2e2fb$8a8e3590$9faaa0b0$@cox.net>

Ian,

I don't have any suggestions for a solution beyond what others have already
mentioned, but as a side note I would like to discuss the concept of "off
frequency". 

It seems to me that these days, on the HF bands that I frequent, more and
more people tune SSB to where the displayed frequency is on an 500 Hz
boundary, and their rigs have sufficient frequency accuracy that excellent
copyability results without any further adjustment. This approach is much
faster than tuning by listening for most natural voice, which for me takes a
few moments. When I look over the shoulder of operators at Field Day, a
surprising percentage of people take a long time trying to tune for natural
voice, and still don't end up even close to correct tuning, so they should
be helped even more by just "going for the zeroes". While I haven't used 6m
recently, I would guess that the "zeroes" approach has become common there,
although the average rig may not be as frequency-accurate there as it would
be on the lower bands. Further to how to tune in other stations quickly, I
just found another way to minimize SSB tuning time when scanning the bands.
I configured the K3 to use the RIT knob to act as a coarse tuning knob
(CONFIG: VFO OFS), with 500 Hz steps (CONFIG: VFO CRS). I also set the main
tuning knob to a 500 Hz boundary. After setting things up this way, I use
the P3 with a span of +- 25 kHz to identify the next SSB station up or down
the band, then turn the RIT knob to put the passband over it. That puts me
close enough that only one more 500 Hz step will tune to perfect voice
clarity, and many times I will be tuned perfectly with no adjustment at all.
Much, much faster than cranking the VFO knob, first to approximate frequency
and then fine adjustment by listening. Occasionally it happens that the
station is not on a 500 Hz boundary, and I have to turn on RIT and fine
adjust by the RIT knob. Then I will usually soon hear that the station
saying that he is using an older rig. That is becoming rather rare, though.
After I am finished listening to the "off frequency" station, I just turn
off the RIT, and the RIT knob lets me tune in the next station quickly using
500 Hz steps, while leaving the main tuning knob alone. Now tuning SSB
stations is a bit like tuning FM "channels". I am not advocating
"channelizing" the HF bands, as we should have the freedom to select our
frequenciy according to the situation, but a lot of times, using a frequency
ending in zeroes saves time and effort.

73, 
Erik K7TV

-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net
[mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Ian Kahn
Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2017 8:46 AM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] 6m off-frequency

All,

I've been operating a little in the ARRL VHF contest this weekend, on 6m,
and I'm having an interesting, and not good, experience. Everyone I try to
work is reporting that I'm off frequency by about 500 Hz. I don't have
RIT/XIT enabled. My K3, s/n 281, went to Elecraft earlier this year for some
upgrades and a tune-up, and came back with a clean bill of health and
meets/exceeds specs.

I admit, I am new to 6m operation, but this constant report of being
off-frequency concerns me. Is there some calibration step, specific to 6m,
that I missed? I don't get this report on any other band, and have never
gotten it in over 6 years of operating this rig. My assumption is that if it
came back from the Mother Ship clean, and I've never used 6m before, that it
should be properly calibrated.

Any guidance/advice is greatly appreciated.

Thanks and 73,

--Ian
Ian Kahn, KM4IK
Roswell, GA  EM74ua
km4ik.ian at gmail.com
10-10 #74624  North Georgia Chapter #2038 PODXS 070 #1962
K3 #281, P3 #688 KAT500 #860, KPA500 #1468
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From k6dgw at foothill.net  Sun Jun 11 17:44:01 2017
From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen)
Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2017 14:44:01 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] mic - David Clark
In-Reply-To: <0A36221D-BA89-4F35-AEA2-94BA4DDB035E@frawg.org>
References: <15c950530f1-15a0-5798@webprd-a100.mail.aol.com>
	<7021536f-5934-57c2-9c65-50b5633caaff@montac.com>
	<5eeffa06-185c-47cc-04ac-787fd8367f7d@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<535214c9-9f56-fc7d-b566-c3fb72905d99@blomand.net>
	<d884e8e4-49d9-22e0-4151-2978b3bc9231@subich.com>
	<BN6PR15MB142584AB8EFA6DA176D37A84FACC0@BN6PR15MB1425.namprd15.prod.outlook.com>
	<78a39684-f53a-3126-dc28-c364f2fbeb65@subich.com>
	<b5aafc0b-0b11-0b10-8154-1fb26230560e@foothill.net>
	<0A36221D-BA89-4F35-AEA2-94BA4DDB035E@frawg.org>
Message-ID: <b899f559-e17a-8c43-9a05-aaaa737e7279@foothill.net>

Hmmm ... I've had it for several years and it saw some use before I got 
it but I doubt it's old enough to be a carbon mic like the WW2 T-17.

I just assumed the "noise cancelling" part applied to the headphones.  I 
didn't know it might apply to the mic.  There's no external noise in my 
shack to cancel anyway.

The connector is round and the contacts stick out of the face.  I think 
there are 6, maybe Headphones, Mic, and PTT?  There's a push-switch in 
the cable.  It looks like the connector fits over the panel connector 
and you twist is to lock it ... like a BNC.  I don't think the 
headphones are stereo which is a big negative with my K3.

I was just curious.  This sounds like a project for some time when I 
have exactly nothing else to do. [:-)  Thanks for the info

73,

Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

On 6/11/17 1:51 PM, Jack Spitznagel wrote:
> Fred,
>
> I have a widget that adapts a Sennheiser S1 av-noise canceler to my KX3. Use it for hi noise situations and it works like charm, even Massey-Ferguson mobile.?
> Try it with the David Clarks.
> Was connector a mismatched size pair of phone jacks or a complex military looking connector?
>
> Jack -KD4IZ
>
>


From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Sun Jun 11 17:48:57 2017
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2017 14:48:57 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Field use of Counerpiose
In-Reply-To: <5f9469c0-dc5d-0c85-3801-c8d5cee73f2b@foothill.net>
References: <20170611.164453.25384.0@webmail11.vgs.untd.com>
	<5f9469c0-dc5d-0c85-3801-c8d5cee73f2b@foothill.net>
Message-ID: <a8701a6d-f4a4-3e57-49aa-68961e15a7c7@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On Sun,6/11/2017 2:28 PM, Fred Jensen wrote:
> An elevated counterpoise is just another element in your antenna.

That's true of ANY counterpoise, whether on the ground or not. In 
general, higher is better. The closer any part of an antenna is to the 
ground the more power the ground sucks up that won't be radiated.

There is both capacitive and inductive coupling to the earth. Both cause 
loss. That's why higher is better, and why an earth connection is NOT 
usually a good thing for signal strength. It IS a good thing at the base 
of an antenna for lightning safety.

73, Jim K9YC


From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Sun Jun 11 18:11:08 2017
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2017 18:11:08 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Field use of Counerpiose
In-Reply-To: <20170611.164453.25384.0@webmail11.vgs.untd.com>
References: <20170611.164453.25384.0@webmail11.vgs.untd.com>
Message-ID: <106ce016-7d77-9f1e-e58c-f8155543b754@embarqmail.com>

Gerry,

If your purpose for your "counterpoise" is simply to complete the 
antenna, then it does not make much difference whether it is grounded or 
not.
But if its purpose is to keep RF off the enclosure of the rig, there is 
a difference.  If it is 1/4 wavelength long, then it should not be 
grounded - just like any 1/4 wavelength wire, it is a low impedance 
point at the 'shack' end.
OTOH, if it is 1/2 wavelength long, ground it to produce a low impedance 
at the 'shack end.

A bit of study on antennas and feedline characteristics may be helpful. 
The 'counterpoise' acts like an antenna wire.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 6/11/2017 4:44 PM, Gerry Miller wrote:
> 
> Does one ground to earth, the far end of an HF counterpoise or just let it float above ground at a field location?  I had always believed it should not be grounded.

From jwsturges at gmail.com  Sun Jun 11 18:25:28 2017
From: jwsturges at gmail.com (Jim Sr Sturges)
Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2017 22:25:28 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] OT Learning Morse anew
Message-ID: <CABPLeqp2Tn01458VVGuQn5KPYgLKL7nqke-zPGEjfZ-ApNBNcQ@mail.gmail.com>

I think I learned code all wrong. Can't ever seem to get my speed up.

Surely some of the astute among you _know_ The Perfect Method, and I hope
you will share?

To complete the OT-ness of this msg, I recently completed the QRP Labs
Ultimate WSPR/QRSS kit and re-learned the joys of soldering iron burns,
again. Certainly nothing wrong with Hans' excellent kits, and the price is
amazing for the functionality, design, and quality.

Then I installed the PAE heat sink end panels on my KX2. The latter is not
for the faint of heart! I STRONGLY recommend the somewhat buried hint in
PAE's instructions to remove the AT board before attaching the PA
transistors to the heat sink. Tried it the other way and re-discovered that
my micromanipulation skills are right up there with my CW -- maybe better,
which is damned depressing.

So, any help mastering Morse?

Thanks in advance and 73,

Jim N3SZ

-- 
Jim Sturges, N3SZ
Amateur Radio operators do it with frequency.

From ns9i at bayland.net  Sun Jun 11 18:36:33 2017
From: ns9i at bayland.net (dgb)
Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2017 17:36:33 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] OT Learning Morse anew
In-Reply-To: <CABPLeqp2Tn01458VVGuQn5KPYgLKL7nqke-zPGEjfZ-ApNBNcQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABPLeqp2Tn01458VVGuQn5KPYgLKL7nqke-zPGEjfZ-ApNBNcQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <118442ef-ecaf-5091-26d9-2f9221cba202@bayland.net>

Yes, the best is

http://www.cwops.org/cwacademy.html

73 Dwight NS9I


On 6/11/2017 5:25 PM, Jim Sr Sturges wrote:
> I think I learned code all wrong. Can't ever seem to get my speed up.
>
> Surely some of the astute among you _know_ The Perfect Method, and I hope
> you will share?
>
> To complete the OT-ness of this msg, I recently completed the QRP Labs
> Ultimate WSPR/QRSS kit and re-learned the joys of soldering iron burns,
> again. Certainly nothing wrong with Hans' excellent kits, and the price is
> amazing for the functionality, design, and quality.
>
> Then I installed the PAE heat sink end panels on my KX2. The latter is not
> for the faint of heart! I STRONGLY recommend the somewhat buried hint in
> PAE's instructions to remove the AT board before attaching the PA
> transistors to the heat sink. Tried it the other way and re-discovered that
> my micromanipulation skills are right up there with my CW -- maybe better,
> which is damned depressing.
>
> So, any help mastering Morse?
>
> Thanks in advance and 73,
>
> Jim N3SZ
>


From ron at cobi.biz  Sun Jun 11 18:51:08 2017
From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire)
Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2017 15:51:08 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] OT Learning Morse anew
In-Reply-To: <CABPLeqp2Tn01458VVGuQn5KPYgLKL7nqke-zPGEjfZ-ApNBNcQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABPLeqp2Tn01458VVGuQn5KPYgLKL7nqke-zPGEjfZ-ApNBNcQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000901d2e305$3791f660$a6b5e320$@biz>

Hi Jim:

I KNOW I learned Morse all wrong, according to today's experts. Listened to
ARRL bulletins, code practice tapes a neighbor Ham made for me and a buddy
and practiced sending on a straight key focusing on proper spacing at all
times. 

I can copy 40 to 45 wpm in my head, 35 wpm on a keyboard and 20 wpm on
paper. Since 99.9% of QSO's I encounter on the air are at around 20 wpm I've
never pushed much beyond that for routine operating. 

So the obvious questions are:

What speed do you want to attain? 

What technique are you using to raise your speed? (My "technique" has always
been to copy a LOT of CW and try to find stations sending at about my upper
limit. I don't need to work them. In fact not having to copy is an
advantage. I just want to "read the mail".) 

What is a PAE heat sink, an after-market heat sink?

73 Ron AC7AC



-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net
[mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jim Sr Sturges
Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2017 3:25 PM
To: Elecraft Reflector
Subject: [Elecraft] OT Learning Morse anew

I think I learned code all wrong. Can't ever seem to get my speed up.

Surely some of the astute among you _know_ The Perfect Method, and I hope
you will share?

To complete the OT-ness of this msg, I recently completed the QRP Labs
Ultimate WSPR/QRSS kit and re-learned the joys of soldering iron burns,
again. Certainly nothing wrong with Hans' excellent kits, and the price is
amazing for the functionality, design, and quality.

Then I installed the PAE heat sink end panels on my KX2. The latter is not
for the faint of heart! I STRONGLY recommend the somewhat buried hint in
PAE's instructions to remove the AT board before attaching the PA
transistors to the heat sink. Tried it the other way and re-discovered that
my micromanipulation skills are right up there with my CW -- maybe better,
which is damned depressing.

So, any help mastering Morse?

Thanks in advance and 73,

Jim N3SZ

--
Jim Sturges, N3SZ
Amateur Radio operators do it with frequency.
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From ron at cobi.biz  Sun Jun 11 19:03:19 2017
From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire)
Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2017 16:03:19 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Field use of Counerpiose
In-Reply-To: <106ce016-7d77-9f1e-e58c-f8155543b754@embarqmail.com>
References: <20170611.164453.25384.0@webmail11.vgs.untd.com>
	<106ce016-7d77-9f1e-e58c-f8155543b754@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <000a01d2e306$eb17f350$c147d9f0$@biz>

Agree with Don 100%. Keep in mind that the power is divided between the
counterpoise and the end fed antenna wire. The power divides according to
their impedances; if the impedances are equal, you lose 3 dB (half of the
power) in the counterpoise. So the idea is to have the counterpoise present
the lowest impedance possible and the antenna present the highest impedance
possible.

Usually the easiest first step is to raise the impedance the antenna
presents. That's usually limited by the range of the tuner you are using to
match the system to your transmitter but the ideal length is an electrical
1/2 wave of wire. Get a close as the tuner have can find a match.  

Next you lower the impedance of the counterpoise - the more wires the better
although the advantage of more than 6 or 8 wires is pretty small. As Don
noted, that also keeps the RF voltage at the rig low. 

Those are the ideals for an end fed wire. Most of us have to settle for
something less for a variety of reasons. 

73, Ron AC7AC

-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net
[mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Don Wilhelm
Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2017 3:11 PM
To: Gerry Miller; elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Field use of Counerpiose

Gerry,

If your purpose for your "counterpoise" is simply to complete the antenna,
then it does not make much difference whether it is grounded or not.
But if its purpose is to keep RF off the enclosure of the rig, there is a
difference.  If it is 1/4 wavelength long, then it should not be grounded -
just like any 1/4 wavelength wire, it is a low impedance point at the
'shack' end.
OTOH, if it is 1/2 wavelength long, ground it to produce a low impedance at
the 'shack end.

A bit of study on antennas and feedline characteristics may be helpful. 
The 'counterpoise' acts like an antenna wire.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 6/11/2017 4:44 PM, Gerry Miller wrote:
> 
> Does one ground to earth, the far end of an HF counterpoise or just let it
float above ground at a field location?  I had always believed it should not
be grounded.


From k0acp at k0acp.com  Sun Jun 11 19:16:12 2017
From: k0acp at k0acp.com (Art Peters)
Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2017 19:16:12 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] mic
In-Reply-To: <306b85f8-bd4b-e614-6c39-d0d50ee05ae5@audiosystemsgroup.com>
References: <15c950530f1-15a0-5798@webprd-a100.mail.aol.com>
	<7021536f-5934-57c2-9c65-50b5633caaff@montac.com>
	<5eeffa06-185c-47cc-04ac-787fd8367f7d@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<535214c9-9f56-fc7d-b566-c3fb72905d99@blomand.net>
	<d884e8e4-49d9-22e0-4151-2978b3bc9231@subich.com>
	<BN6PR15MB142584AB8EFA6DA176D37A84FACC0@BN6PR15MB1425.namprd15.prod.outlook.com>
	<306b85f8-bd4b-e614-6c39-d0d50ee05ae5@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Message-ID: <5C76D626-2D3E-4A8D-B071-5AC9329B95F7@k0acp.com>

Jim,

I know better than to disagree with someone who knows what he is talking about, to be open, I've read, studied and benefited from your work.  

The point that I'll say is that the Yamaha headset, which I did buy largely from your raving reviews, did a fine job, but were never as comfortable as my other headsets.  I do use them as a spare and for guest ops. In fact, if I wear them for more than a couple hours, I get a rather nasty headache...

So, I'd like to add to this conversation.  While we have great ability to leverage a wide variety of mics, for me at least, fit and comfort are equal.  


73 es God Bless,

Art / K0ACP

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 11, 2017, at 3:06 PM, Jim Brown <jim at audiosystemsgroup.com> wrote:
> 
>> On Sun,6/11/2017 11:45 AM, kevino z wrote:
>> I don't think you meant to, but your post came off as if we bought some snake oil.
> 
> Heil IS snake oil. As audio professionals say about Bose, "better sound through marketing."
> 
> The Yamaha CM500 and Koss SB45 are at least as good, and cost a LOT less.
> 
> 73, Jim K9YC
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From frantz at pwpconsult.com  Sun Jun 11 19:22:18 2017
From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz)
Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2017 16:22:18 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 water resistant case
In-Reply-To: <BN6PR15MB14250FA1D334591F158D995DFACC0@BN6PR15MB1425.namprd15.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <r470Ps-10125i-2DB991852D4F4D9A8ECC4A50AA6FFCA9@Williams-MacBook-Pro.local>

I have used Pelican cases for many years for carrying equipment 
in caves. Since this sometimes involves swimming, you need a 
waterproof case. The Pelicans have worked very well.

I have also used Otter boxes. I have one made out of transparent 
plastic to hold a photographic strobe with an optical slave to 
trigger it from a camera flash. It has been swimming and also 
held under water to light up pools. It also has been very 
reliable about keeping the contents dry.

I would recommend both Pelican and Otter waterproof cases for 
those looking for water protection and protection against being 
dragged through mud, banged on rocks and other misuse.

73 Bill AE6JV

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From frantz at pwpconsult.com  Sun Jun 11 19:22:17 2017
From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz)
Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2017 16:22:17 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] mic
Message-ID: <r470Ps-10125i-35F1773DC0D64A4FB97E8AF5221A75FD@Williams-MacBook-Pro.local>

As Jim says, "For most cases...", But.

When I help provide communication for the Los Gatos Children's 
Holliday Parade, it is not "most cases". When operating next to 
the parade route, there is frequently a high school marching 
band going full blast just 20 feet away. The problem isn't in 
the RF link, which is 2M FM. It's in the AF link with QRM for 
both transmit and receive. The David Clark headset might be just 
the right thing for this kind of environment.

When foot mobile along the parade route, I use Sennenheiser 
noise canceling headphones plugged into a Yaesu MH-34 speaker 
mike which seems to be "good enough". The CM-500 headset works 
well for the net control station, which is a bit further away 
from the parade route.

73 Bill AE6JV

On 6/11/17 at 1:44 PM, jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) wrote:

>True "noise cancelling" mics sound awful. They work on the 
>principle of cancelling noise more than an inch or two from the 
>mouth. SUPER noisy places like aircraft are the ONLY place to 
>use them.
>
>Most hams who have too much background noise either don't work 
>the mic close enough (it should be an inch or two above and 
>alongside the mouth), or have processing and/or mic gain turned 
>up way too high.

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From wunder at wunderwood.org  Sun Jun 11 19:28:53 2017
From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood)
Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2017 16:28:53 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] mic
In-Reply-To: <78a39684-f53a-3126-dc28-c364f2fbeb65@subich.com>
References: <15c950530f1-15a0-5798@webprd-a100.mail.aol.com>
	<7021536f-5934-57c2-9c65-50b5633caaff@montac.com>
	<5eeffa06-185c-47cc-04ac-787fd8367f7d@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<535214c9-9f56-fc7d-b566-c3fb72905d99@blomand.net>
	<d884e8e4-49d9-22e0-4151-2978b3bc9231@subich.com>
	<BN6PR15MB142584AB8EFA6DA176D37A84FACC0@BN6PR15MB1425.namprd15.prod.outlook.com>
	<78a39684-f53a-3126-dc28-c364f2fbeb65@subich.com>
Message-ID: <82D9E660-EC7D-4965-ABAC-AFF684900B5D@wunderwood.org>

> On Jun 11, 2017, at 12:55 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV <lists at subich.com> wrote:
> 
> [?] Both the Yamaha and
> Koss headsets have outstanding 120 Ohm headset drivers with sensitivity
> rated at 96dB/mW and microphones well tailored for voice work.

Not sure I?d rate the Yamaha CM500 headset drivers as ?outstanding?. When my Grado SR-60 headphones died (after 15 years), I tried using the CM500 for music. That idea lasted about a day before I ordered new Grado phones. The current SR60e model is $80, so not that different from the Yamaha in terms of cost.

The CM500 is perfectly fine for voice communication work.

wunder
K6WRU
Walter Underwood
CM87wj
http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog)


From ghyoungman at gmail.com  Sun Jun 11 20:10:05 2017
From: ghyoungman at gmail.com (GRANT YOUNGMAN)
Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2017 20:10:05 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] mic
In-Reply-To: <5C76D626-2D3E-4A8D-B071-5AC9329B95F7@k0acp.com>
References: <15c950530f1-15a0-5798@webprd-a100.mail.aol.com>
	<7021536f-5934-57c2-9c65-50b5633caaff@montac.com>
	<5eeffa06-185c-47cc-04ac-787fd8367f7d@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<535214c9-9f56-fc7d-b566-c3fb72905d99@blomand.net>
	<d884e8e4-49d9-22e0-4151-2978b3bc9231@subich.com>
	<BN6PR15MB142584AB8EFA6DA176D37A84FACC0@BN6PR15MB1425.namprd15.prod.outlook.com>
	<306b85f8-bd4b-e614-6c39-d0d50ee05ae5@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<5C76D626-2D3E-4A8D-B071-5AC9329B95F7@k0acp.com>
Message-ID: <1EBD5B98-35A5-4EB6-985E-4DE8CF4BA8A1@gmail.com>

In one way or another I agree with all sides of this discussion.

As to audio quality on a typical ham SSB transceiver, whether you have a Neumann M150 Tube or a  3+ orders of magnitude less costly $5 RatShack (when there was a RatShack) condenser cartridge, it?s unlikely the guy on the other end will notice the difference, since his bandwidth is probably set to 2.x KHz and the band is not pristinely quiet.  You may feel better, you might sound absolutely fabulous on your audio chain or local transmit monitor, but the other guy isn?t going to care or notice.

Building something that you like?  Modifying something to work better for you?  Whether it?s a mic or anything else .. that?s a good thing.  It?s instructive, personally satisfying, and can keep you busy and out of ?low?places, which is something my wife highly encourages :-)

At any mic price point, no matter how fancy the external audio chain, I just wish there was a way to cure the age old issue (renewed emphasis on the Wouff-Hong perhaps?) of mic gain set too high on a rig overdriving an amp.  And in the midst of that, ops insisting on ?eating? the microphone while speaking after having finely adjusted their TX EQ while NOT trying to swallow the mic.  In so many ways, knowing how to USE a mic, is more important than how big the diaphragm is ? 

At one time, I had a very large collection of microphones ? cheap, expensive, condenser, dynamic, Elvis, not Elvis, new, vintage. Used them all here and there.   I?m down to 3 or so.  An RE-20 that I?ve had forever and was used for all of my now disassembled ?studio n? AM/SSB stations through a Rane splitter, a D-104 because ?. D-104 ? and some day I might buy another Ranger, and the MH2/3 depending on which radio I?m using.  Oh, and a CM500 headset which I like, but which I rarely use because earbuds and the MH(x) hand mics are just less bulk to deal with on an outing to the beach.  


> On Jun 11, 2017, at 7:16 PM, Art Peters <k0acp at k0acp.com> wrote:
> 
> Jim,
> 
> I know better than to disagree with someone who knows what he is talking about, to be open, I've read, studied and benefited from your work.  
> 

Grant NQ5T
K3 #2091, KX3 #8342




From mikelee0531 at me.com  Sun Jun 11 20:09:38 2017
From: mikelee0531 at me.com (mikelee0531 at me.com)
Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2017 20:09:38 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] FS : K3 that is LOADED with 2nd Receiver, USB Upgrade,
 XVTR, General Coverage, 2M module and Ext 10MHZ
Message-ID: <8d00d898-6f4d-414c-bdbc-d5a8a2513b48@Spark>


Unit is in Nearly-New Condition - non-Smoking environment and cared-for by an
FCC Licensed Tech (FCC First Class Radio Telephone and Telegraph, with Radar
and Avionics)

Serial Number  # 6397

Has the following Options:

K3 Chassis

100w Amp
KAT3A Tuner
2nd receiver
TCXO (although I normally use the external 10MHz reference)
10MHz Reference Lock board
KIO3B USB Upgrade (super sweet.!!!)

Transverter Interface
DVR
1st Receiver Filters : 13.0, 2.8, 1.8, 700, 400 - all 8-pole
2nd Receiver Filters: 2.8, 1.8, 700, 400 - all 8-pole
General Coverage Receive module
2-meter module
2m RefLock for frequency stability
K-Pod (never used)

Total value (new) over $5,820.
Asking $3,200.00 + $75 shipping (insured, from Florida)

NO KNOWN DEFECTS - Unit works perfectly. The only ?problem" is that it doesn?t
get used very much, except to check-in on occasional nets. Never dropped or
abused. Single owner, single operator - never lent out to individuals or groups.

Contact me off list at aa6ml at arrl.org

I am a long-time Elecraft user, having two (2) complete K-Lines, as well as
KX3?s (2) and a K2, so I know the quality of these products. I am also a former
Vice Director of ARRL?s SouthEastern Division - and am a 100% reliable seller.

Payment by Cashier?s Check or Postal Money Order ONLY

Thanks for looking,

Mike - AA6ML
aa6ml at arrl.org


From nr4c at widomaker.com  Sun Jun 11 20:39:15 2017
From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c)
Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2017 20:39:15 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] 6m off-frequency
In-Reply-To: <03a201d2e2ce$19affcf0$4d0ff6d0$@gmail.com>
References: <CAFHjwP4ZLMKLEP1WTFB22aqNJ3ny8Sy4CGUreh21ixqthXkXLA@mail.gmail.com>
	<624aff9a-efbe-2dcc-8a40-76b235eaa8c1@optonline.net>
	<03a201d2e2ce$19affcf0$4d0ff6d0$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0786F1DE-2580-4228-A281-CAFD2F99607A@widomaker.com>

How recently did you calibrate your P3 frequency reference?

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill


> On Jun 11, 2017, at 12:16 PM, Ian Kahn, KM4IK <km4ik.ian at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Ron/All,
> 
> As I state in my original email, I don't have this issue on any other band.
> The first couple of times other ops reported me off frequency a bit, I
> thought the issue to be as you suggest - differences in how different ops
> hear the signal, a 1-2 Hz difference, etc. However, EVERY operator I tried
> to contact reported the same thing - that I am off frequency by about 500
> Hz, that I need to adjust my RIT (which is not enabled), etc. That's why I'm
> concerned about a possible issue. I was also using my P3 to tune to signals,
> so I feel fairly certain that I was, in fact, on frequency as my receiver
> saw it.
> 
> Thanks and 73
> 
> Ian Kahn, KM4IK
> Roswell, GA  EM74ua
> km4ik.ian at gmail.com
> 10-10 #74624  North Georgia Chapter #2038
> PODXS 070 #1962
> K3 #281, P3 #688 KAT500 #860, KPA500 #1468
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ron Manfredi [mailto:wa2eio at optonline.net] 
> Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2017 11:55 AM
> To: Ian Kahn <km4ik.ian at gmail.com>; elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] 6m off-frequency
> 
> Have you experienced this on other bands, during casual operating since the
> rig was returned to you?
> 
> I find that when I am on SSB, I tune until my ear may likes what I am 
> hearing , and as such,  I may not be exactly on their frequency.   (that 
> is one reason for RIT!)  Also, I have found that some ops feel that they 
> have to be tuned to an even frequency on their digital display.   For 
> them, if you are on 14.219.8 and not on 14.220.0  then you are off


From Hamshack at N4ST.com  Sun Jun 11 20:40:21 2017
From: Hamshack at N4ST.com (Jim - N4ST)
Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2017 20:40:21 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] 6m off-frequency
In-Reply-To: <01a101d2e2fb$8a8e3590$9faaa0b0$@cox.net>
References: <XTn11v00N45oxQM01Tn2YV> <01a101d2e2fb$8a8e3590$9faaa0b0$@cox.net>
Message-ID: <01c201d2e314$7dee8380$79cb8a80$@N4ST.com>

I think it is not that difficult to be 500 Hz off on 6M.  I am frequently
200Hz off with the a K3S with the KTCX03-1 option factory installed.  Never
paid too much attention until the last few months when I started using
MSK144 on 6 Meters.  Now I can see that on 6M my frequency is typically off
by 50-70Hz from one day to the next and as much as 200 Hz if I let it go for
a month or so.  I figured that with a 0.5ppm (typical) KTCX03-1, it would
only vary 25 Hz from day to day.  Yes, I have adjusted REF CAL to beat with
WWV.  I've also performed the Norm/Rev CW tone adjustment and even the WSJTX
frequency cal.

___________
73,
Jim - N4ST

-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net
[mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Erik Basilier
Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2017 17:42
To: 'Ian Kahn' <km4ik.ian at gmail.com>; elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] 6m off-frequency

Ian,

I don't have any suggestions for a solution beyond what others have already
mentioned, but as a side note I would like to discuss the concept of "off
frequency". 

It seems to me that these days, on the HF bands that I frequent, more and
more people tune SSB to where the displayed frequency is on an 500 Hz
boundary, and their rigs have sufficient frequency accuracy that excellent
copyability results without any further adjustment. This approach is much
faster than tuning by listening for most natural voice, which for me takes a
few moments. When I look over the shoulder of operators at Field Day, a
surprising percentage of people take a long time trying to tune for natural
voice, and still don't end up even close to correct tuning, so they should
be helped even more by just "going for the zeroes". While I haven't used 6m
recently, I would guess that the "zeroes" approach has become common there,
although the average rig may not be as frequency-accurate there as it would
be on the lower bands. Further to how to tune in other stations quickly, I
just found another way to minimize SSB tuning time when scanning the bands.
I configured the K3 to use the RIT knob to act as a coarse tuning knob
(CONFIG: VFO OFS), with 500 Hz steps (CONFIG: VFO CRS). I also set the main
tuning knob to a 500 Hz boundary. After setting things up this way, I use
the P3 with a span of +- 25 kHz to identify the next SSB station up or down
the band, then turn the RIT knob to put the passband over it. That puts me
close enough that only one more 500 Hz step will tune to perfect voice
clarity, and many times I will be tuned perfectly with no adjustment at all.
Much, much faster than cranking the VFO knob, first to approximate frequency
and then fine adjustment by listening. Occasionally it happens that the
station is not on a 500 Hz boundary, and I have to turn on RIT and fine
adjust by the RIT knob. Then I will usually soon hear that the station
saying that he is using an older rig. That is becoming rather rare, though.
After I am finished listening to the "off frequency" station, I just turn
off the RIT, and the RIT knob lets me tune in the next station quickly using
500 Hz steps, while leaving the main tuning knob alone. Now tuning SSB
stations is a bit like tuning FM "channels". I am not advocating
"channelizing" the HF bands, as we should have the freedom to select our
frequenciy according to the situation, but a lot of times, using a frequency
ending in zeroes saves time and effort.

73,
Erik K7TV

-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net
[mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Ian Kahn
Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2017 8:46 AM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] 6m off-frequency

All,

I've been operating a little in the ARRL VHF contest this weekend, on 6m,
and I'm having an interesting, and not good, experience. Everyone I try to
work is reporting that I'm off frequency by about 500 Hz. I don't have
RIT/XIT enabled. My K3, s/n 281, went to Elecraft earlier this year for some
upgrades and a tune-up, and came back with a clean bill of health and
meets/exceeds specs.

I admit, I am new to 6m operation, but this constant report of being
off-frequency concerns me. Is there some calibration step, specific to 6m,
that I missed? I don't get this report on any other band, and have never
gotten it in over 6 years of operating this rig. My assumption is that if it
came back from the Mother Ship clean, and I've never used 6m before, that it
should be properly calibrated.

Any guidance/advice is greatly appreciated.

Thanks and 73,

--Ian
Ian Kahn, KM4IK
Roswell, GA  EM74ua
km4ik.ian at gmail.com
10-10 #74624  North Georgia Chapter #2038 PODXS 070 #1962
K3 #281, P3 #688 KAT500 #860, KPA500 #1468
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From vr2xmc at yahoo.com.hk  Sun Jun 11 20:42:45 2017
From: vr2xmc at yahoo.com.hk (Johnny Siu)
Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2017 00:42:45 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] OT - Callsign Prefix VR20
References: <624396701.8501863.1497228165250.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <624396701.8501863.1497228165250@mail.yahoo.com>

Dear Elecrafters,
To celebrate the 20th anniversary of the establishment of the Hong Kong SAR, hams in Hong Kong are permitted to use VR20 as call sign prefix from 1 Jul 2017 to 30 June 2018.
Therefore, in the coming IARU contest, you may hear some VR20 stations.
73
Johnny VR2XMC / VR20XMC

From va3on at crrl.ca  Sun Jun 11 20:52:01 2017
From: va3on at crrl.ca (Rod Hardman(VA3ON))
Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2017 20:52:01 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] OT Learning Morse anew
In-Reply-To: <CABPLeqp2Tn01458VVGuQn5KPYgLKL7nqke-zPGEjfZ-ApNBNcQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABPLeqp2Tn01458VVGuQn5KPYgLKL7nqke-zPGEjfZ-ApNBNcQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <502F7363-5B34-4FA9-A7A2-350EA5C0F2C4@crrl.ca>

Jim 
I'll endorse your experience with the installation PAE's excellent heatsink for the KX2.
I jumped into that operation with a Swiss Army knife and a set of forceps at the hotel while at Dayton hamvention. 
Holding on the two washers, nut and bolt simultaneously in a confined space is playing "Twister" with your fingers!
That said, I love the kit - combined with the Lexan cover, the kit is both functional and attractive.
Fun to get an installation challenge from time to time!!
/Rod VA3ON

On Jun 11, 2017, at 18:25, Jim Sr Sturges <jwsturges at gmail.com> wrote:

I think I learned code all wrong. Can't ever seem to get my speed up.

Surely some of the astute among you _know_ The Perfect Method, and I hope
you will share?

To complete the OT-ness of this msg, I recently completed the QRP Labs
Ultimate WSPR/QRSS kit and re-learned the joys of soldering iron burns,
again. Certainly nothing wrong with Hans' excellent kits, and the price is
amazing for the functionality, design, and quality.

Then I installed the PAE heat sink end panels on my KX2. The latter is not
for the faint of heart! I STRONGLY recommend the somewhat buried hint in
PAE's instructions to remove the AT board before attaching the PA
transistors to the heat sink. Tried it the other way and re-discovered that
my micromanipulation skills are right up there with my CW -- maybe better,
which is damned depressing.

So, any help mastering Morse?

Thanks in advance and 73,

Jim N3SZ

-- 
Jim Sturges, N3SZ
Amateur Radio operators do it with frequency.
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From b.denley at comcast.net  Sun Jun 11 20:53:35 2017
From: b.denley at comcast.net (Brian Denley)
Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2017 20:53:35 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] mic
In-Reply-To: <78a39684-f53a-3126-dc28-c364f2fbeb65@subich.com>
References: <15c950530f1-15a0-5798@webprd-a100.mail.aol.com>
	<7021536f-5934-57c2-9c65-50b5633caaff@montac.com>
	<5eeffa06-185c-47cc-04ac-787fd8367f7d@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<535214c9-9f56-fc7d-b566-c3fb72905d99@blomand.net>
	<d884e8e4-49d9-22e0-4151-2978b3bc9231@subich.com>
	<BN6PR15MB142584AB8EFA6DA176D37A84FACC0@BN6PR15MB1425.namprd15.prod.outlook.com>
	<78a39684-f53a-3126-dc28-c364f2fbeb65@subich.com>
Message-ID: <9BA52BF8-E060-4152-B7D4-00C91E7CDE7C@comcast.net>

I agree on the Koss.  It cost me less than $40 and audio reports are all good.  BTW, I also like my old Astatic 10DA on SSB.

Brian 
KB1VBF
Sent from my iPad

> On Jun 11, 2017, at 3:55 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV <lists at subich.com> wrote:
> 
> 
>> On 6/11/2017 2:45 PM, kevino z wrote:
>> Although headsets like my Heil Pro 7 may be more money, am I really
>> "wasting" money on buying a "fancy brand name"  considering the
>> unit consists of mic and incredible speakers?
> 
> Yes, at about $250 retail (plus adapter cable), the Pro 7 is more than
> five times as expensive as the Yamaha CM-500 (electret mic), Koss SB40
> (dynamic mic) or SB45 (electret mic) headsets.   Both the Yamaha and
> Koss headsets have outstanding 120 Ohm headset drivers with sensitivity
> rated at 96dB/mW and microphones well tailored for voice work.  Heil
> does not even publish the impedance or sensitivity for their headset
> drivers!
> 
> For the price of a Heil Pro 7 one could get a Broadcast headset like
> the Audio Technica BPHS1 ($199), Sennheiser HMD280 ($249) or Shure
> BRH440M ($249) - all of which are significantly higher quality than
> the Pro7 (and field proven).
> 
> 73,
> 
>   ... Joe, W4TV
> 
> 
>> On 6/11/2017 2:45 PM, kevino z wrote:
>> Although headsets like my Heil Pro 7 may be more money, am I really "wasting" money on buying a "fancy brand name"  considering the unit consists of mic and incredible speakers? It is a complete package. Besides the amazing electret mic, the sound from the headphones helps me to enjoy the hobby more and allows me to pick out signals I would not be able to without them. I don't think you meant to, but your post came off as if we bought some snake oil.
>> -Kevin (KK4YEL)
>> No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However, a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced !
>>> On Jun 11, 2017, at 10:41, Joe Subich, W4TV <lists at subich.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Bob and Jim have excellent points.
>>> 
>>> There is one advantage for the electret mic compared to a dynamic
>>> mic.  Electrets are generally 26 dB "hotter" than a dynamic mic
>>> and thus are much more resistant to common mode RF feedback and
>>> magnetic coupling.  However, that assumes the transceiver is


From w8dn.mike at gmail.com  Sun Jun 11 21:09:53 2017
From: w8dn.mike at gmail.com (Mike Rhodes)
Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2017 21:09:53 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] 6m off-frequency
In-Reply-To: <01a101d2e2fb$8a8e3590$9faaa0b0$@cox.net>
References: <XTn11v00N45oxQM01Tn2YV> <01a101d2e2fb$8a8e3590$9faaa0b0$@cox.net>
Message-ID: <e551027c-3a2b-2dbd-8060-aec0c741e03f@gmail.com>

...would certainly be interesting to set those operators who tune for 
the "zeros" down in front of a vintage rig with a tuning dial - although 
I think Erik alluded to that a bit in his post. Better yet, how about a 
stint in the crystal controlled Novice band where you tuned from one end 
of the band to the other in search of an answer to your call.

Mike / W8DN
Yes, a crusty OT

On 6/11/2017 5:41 PM, Erik Basilier wrote:
> Ian,
>
> I don't have any suggestions for a solution beyond what others have already
> mentioned, but as a side note I would like to discuss the concept of "off
> frequency".
>
> It seems to me that these days, on the HF bands that I frequent, more and
> more people tune SSB to where the displayed frequency is on an 500 Hz
> boundary, and their rigs have sufficient frequency accuracy that excellent
> copyability results without any further adjustment. This approach is much
> faster than tuning by listening for most natural voice, which for me takes a
> few moments. When I look over the shoulder of operators at Field Day, a
> surprising percentage of people take a long time trying to tune for natural
> voice, and still don't end up even close to correct tuning, so they should
> be helped even more by just "going for the zeroes". While I haven't used 6m
> recently, I would guess that the "zeroes" approach has become common there,
> although the average rig may not be as frequency-accurate there as it would
> be on the lower bands. Further to how to tune in other stations quickly, I
> just found another way to minimize SSB tuning time when scanning the bands.
> I configured the K3 to use the RIT knob to act as a coarse tuning knob
> (CONFIG: VFO OFS), with 500 Hz steps (CONFIG: VFO CRS). I also set the main
> tuning knob to a 500 Hz boundary. After setting things up this way, I use
> the P3 with a span of +- 25 kHz to identify the next SSB station up or down
> the band, then turn the RIT knob to put the passband over it. That puts me
> close enough that only one more 500 Hz step will tune to perfect voice
> clarity, and many times I will be tuned perfectly with no adjustment at all.
> Much, much faster than cranking the VFO knob, first to approximate frequency
> and then fine adjustment by listening. Occasionally it happens that the
> station is not on a 500 Hz boundary, and I have to turn on RIT and fine
> adjust by the RIT knob. Then I will usually soon hear that the station
> saying that he is using an older rig. That is becoming rather rare, though.
> After I am finished listening to the "off frequency" station, I just turn
> off the RIT, and the RIT knob lets me tune in the next station quickly using
> 500 Hz steps, while leaving the main tuning knob alone. Now tuning SSB
> stations is a bit like tuning FM "channels". I am not advocating
> "channelizing" the HF bands, as we should have the freedom to select our
> frequenciy according to the situation, but a lot of times, using a frequency
> ending in zeroes saves time and effort.
>
> 73,
> Erik K7TV
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net
> [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Ian Kahn
> Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2017 8:46 AM
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [Elecraft] 6m off-frequency
>
> All,
>
> I've been operating a little in the ARRL VHF contest this weekend, on 6m,
> and I'm having an interesting, and not good, experience. Everyone I try to
> work is reporting that I'm off frequency by about 500 Hz. I don't have
> RIT/XIT enabled. My K3, s/n 281, went to Elecraft earlier this year for some
> upgrades and a tune-up, and came back with a clean bill of health and
> meets/exceeds specs.
>
> I admit, I am new to 6m operation, but this constant report of being
> off-frequency concerns me. Is there some calibration step, specific to 6m,
> that I missed? I don't get this report on any other band, and have never
> gotten it in over 6 years of operating this rig. My assumption is that if it
> came back from the Mother Ship clean, and I've never used 6m before, that it
> should be properly calibrated.
>
> Any guidance/advice is greatly appreciated.
>
> Thanks and 73,
>
> --Ian
> Ian Kahn, KM4IK
> Roswell, GA  EM74ua
> km4ik.ian at gmail.com
> 10-10 #74624  North Georgia Chapter #2038 PODXS 070 #1962
> K3 #281, P3 #688 KAT500 #860, KPA500 #1468
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From severyn46 at hotmail.com  Sun Jun 11 21:32:52 2017
From: severyn46 at hotmail.com (John Severyn)
Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2017 01:32:52 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] mic - David Clark
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Hi Fred,
Aviation headsets come with a variety of mikes, some dynamic, but most 
today are electret.  "Noise Cancelling" in aviation lingo usually means 
some sort of seal over or in the ear.  "Electronic Noise Cancelling" 
means the earpieces have active noise cancelling circuitry in addition 
to the ear-seal.  (the seal can be over the ear or in the ear, like a 
hearing aid, but most David Clark models are "over the ear").  The 
microphone is also most probably of a noise cancelling design.

The David Clark line is considered to be fairly high quality and has 
been around for a long time, since 1941.  They make a wide variety of 
gear, from G-suits, high altitude pressure suits, helmets, headsets etc.

http://www.davidclarkcompany.com/aviation/fixed-wing-passive.php

Various connectors are available, from LEMO to larger phone jacks and 
some specialized models.

The above link is for their present line of fixed wing headsets.  I have 
several pairs of older H10-40 units, no longer made.  The mike is a 
electret with very good noise cancelling and made to perform in a very 
high noise environment, with passive noise reduction, over the ear 
seals.  Fidelity is not the goal.  Voice communication in a very high 
noise environment of a piston engine propellor aircraft is the goal.

Other models are made for helicopter use (different connector became 
standard in helicopters).

No connection to David Clark.  Just a satisfied customer.

73
John AF6QO

On 6/11/2017 2:44 PM, Fred Jensen wrote:
> Hmmm ... I've had it for several years and it saw some use before I got 
> it but I doubt it's old enough to be a carbon mic like the WW2 T-17.
> 
> I just assumed the "noise cancelling" part applied to the headphones.  I 
> didn't know it might apply to the mic.  There's no external noise in my 
> shack to cancel anyway.
> 
> The connector is round and the contacts stick out of the face.  I think 
> there are 6, maybe Headphones, Mic, and PTT?  There's a push-switch in 
> the cable.  It looks like the connector fits over the panel connector 
> and you twist is to lock it ... like a BNC.  I don't think the 
> headphones are stereo which is a big negative with my K3.
> 
> I was just curious.  This sounds like a project for some time when I 
> have exactly nothing else to do. [:-)  Thanks for the info
> 
> 73,
> 
> Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
> Sparks NV DM09dn
> Washoe County
> 
> On 6/11/17 1:51 PM, Jack Spitznagel wrote:
>> Fred,
>>
>> I have a widget that adapts a Sennheiser S1 av-noise canceler to my 
>> KX3. Use it for hi noise situations and it works like charm, even 
>> Massey-Ferguson mobile.?
>> Try it with the David Clarks.
>> Was connector a mismatched size pair of phone jacks or a complex 
>> military looking connector?
>>
>> Jack -KD4IZ
>>
>>
> 
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From dwightanderson at roadrunner.com  Sun Jun 11 21:39:04 2017
From: dwightanderson at roadrunner.com (Dwight Anderson)
Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2017 18:39:04 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] mic
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Hello Fred;

I did not find much information on the web about using aviation headsets on
ham radios.   However if you search for using these headsets with gamming
computers, there is a lot more information.

Eventually I found the following information.

I was surprised how much I like the noise cancellation and the quality of
the sound.  I have a window fan running in my shack in the summer. 

I found the following adapter that worked for my KX3 and a Bose Aviation
headset.  At least for my headset the noise cancelation is only the
earphones not the microphone.  


http://www.sportys.com/pilotshop/general-aviation-twin-plugs-to-pc-headset-a
dapter.html?___SID=U

http://www.pilotshop.com/catalog/pspages/pilotUSA40.php

or here

I did find a schematic on the web but never tried to build it.

https://www.flightsim.com/vbfs/content.php?1985-How-ToAdapt-Aviation-Headset
s-To-Computers

Much Regards
Dwight
WM5F

snip **************************
Just curious ... I inherited a David Clark noise cancelling aviation
headset/mic from a neighbor who was a US Forest Service pilot.  I've never
tried it, the connector is strange.  



From w8fn at tx.rr.com  Sun Jun 11 21:55:04 2017
From: w8fn at tx.rr.com (Randy Farmer)
Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2017 20:55:04 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] mic - David Clark
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This thread has drifted into a discussion of headsets, so I'll throw in 
my 2 cents worth and QRT. I realize they're pricey, but I use and love 
the Radiosport headsets. I have both a RS-60CF headset with the electret 
mic element and a RS-20 receive-only headset. When properly adjusted 
both are extremely comfortable -- they're the only phones I've ever used 
that I can wear for a full contest weekend over my glasses with no 
problem whatsoever. They're NOT hi-fi phones; my understanding is that 
they were originally designed for auto racing pit communications, and 
the transducers are tailored for voice communication. They also have 
superb isolation from outside noise, somewhere around 28 dB. I can't 
hear the phone on my radio desk ring when I have them on. I also have a 
Yamaha CM-500 set, and the Radiosports blow them away, as well they 
should at almost 5X the price. For me, the substantial price difference 
is worth every cent. YMMV.

73...
Randy, W8FN

On 6/11/2017 8:32 PM, John Severyn wrote:
> Hi Fred,
> Aviation headsets come with a variety of mikes, some dynamic, but most
> today are electret.  "Noise Cancelling" in aviation lingo usually means
> some sort of seal over or in the ear.  "Electronic Noise Cancelling"
> means the earpieces have active noise cancelling circuitry in addition
> to the ear-seal.  (the seal can be over the ear or in the ear, like a
> hearing aid, but most David Clark models are "over the ear").  The
> microphone is also most probably of a noise cancelling design.
>
> The David Clark line is considered to be fairly high quality and has
> been around for a long time, since 1941.  They make a wide variety of
> gear, from G-suits, high altitude pressure suits, helmets, headsets etc.
>
> http://www.davidclarkcompany.com/aviation/fixed-wing-passive.php
>
> Various connectors are available, from LEMO to larger phone jacks and
> some specialized models.
>
> The above link is for their present line of fixed wing headsets.  I have
> several pairs of older H10-40 units, no longer made.  The mike is a
> electret with very good noise cancelling and made to perform in a very
> high noise environment, with passive noise reduction, over the ear
> seals.  Fidelity is not the goal.  Voice communication in a very high
> noise environment of a piston engine propellor aircraft is the goal.
>
> Other models are made for helicopter use (different connector became
> standard in helicopters).
>
> No connection to David Clark.  Just a satisfied customer.
>
> 73
> John AF6QO
>
> On 6/11/2017 2:44 PM, Fred Jensen wrote:
>> Hmmm ... I've had it for several years and it saw some use before I got
>> it but I doubt it's old enough to be a carbon mic like the WW2 T-17.
>>
>> I just assumed the "noise cancelling" part applied to the headphones.  I
>> didn't know it might apply to the mic.  There's no external noise in my
>> shack to cancel anyway.
>>
>> The connector is round and the contacts stick out of the face.  I think
>> there are 6, maybe Headphones, Mic, and PTT?  There's a push-switch in
>> the cable.  It looks like the connector fits over the panel connector
>> and you twist is to lock it ... like a BNC.  I don't think the
>> headphones are stereo which is a big negative with my K3.
>>
>> I was just curious.  This sounds like a project for some time when I
>> have exactly nothing else to do. [:-)  Thanks for the info
>>
>> 73,
>>
>> Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
>> Sparks NV DM09dn
>> Washoe County
>>
>> On 6/11/17 1:51 PM, Jack Spitznagel wrote:
>>> Fred,
>>>
>>> I have a widget that adapts a Sennheiser S1 av-noise canceler to my
>>> KX3. Use it for hi noise situations and it works like charm, even
>>> Massey-Ferguson mobile.?
>>> Try it with the David Clarks.
>>> Was connector a mismatched size pair of phone jacks or a complex
>>> military looking connector?
>>>
>>> Jack -KD4IZ
>>>
>>>
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From djcarohmer at ntin.net  Sun Jun 11 22:11:11 2017
From: djcarohmer at ntin.net (Dwayne Rohmer)
Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2017 21:11:11 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] mic
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Skip,

I converted an '80's era H10-40A David Clark aviation headset. Adapting 
it for use with the K3 required a complete rebuild. The microphone isn't 
the only issue. The headband, domes, and mike boom can be salvaged, but 
you may want to consider replacing the remaining parts.

The original aviation spec microphone is not a good match for amateur 
radio. Consider replacment with an Acousticom 5730-CA electret, a 
communications mike that works well with the K3. It's an easy fit to the 
David Clark wire boom, not expensive, and produces good audio with TX EQ 
settings set to "0".

The original earphones were wired for 150 ohms (300 ohms each, wired in 
parallel, mono audio). They were replaced with original David Clark 19 
ohm, Part# 10376G-30, available on ebay for $12.00 each. The earphone 
frequency response is 200 - 5500 Hz, excellent for CW and SSB, forget 
the ipod.

To use the two speaker output of the K3, you'll have to replace the 
original headset wiring to provide separate audio to each earphone. 
Acousticom also has a wire assembly with microphone wires and stereo 
speaker wires in one outer jacket, separated on one end to attach two 
3.5mm plugs that you need for the K3.

The original foam ear seals were broken down from age. They didn't seal 
well, and extended wear caused ear pain. They were replaced with the gel 
filled type.  Gel seals won't compress, are more comfortable, and 
provide a better seal from noise.

I wouldn't recommend this if you have to purchase an old headset, but if 
you already have one and want to put it to use, the rebuild may be worth 
considering. When you get done, you'll have a decent headset that can be 
used in a noisy environment.

73,

Dwayne WV5I


On 6/11/2017 3:29 PM, Fred Jensen wrote:
> Just curious ... I inherited a David Clark noise cancelling aviation 
> headset/mic from a neighbor who was a US Forest Service pilot. I've 
> never tried it, the connector is strange.  I'm not even sure I know 
> where it is right now.  Will it work with my K3 if I can find it and 
> get the connector compatible?  I know they're expensive.
>
> Maybe it will cancel the powerline noise on 80? [:-))
>
> 73,
>
> Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
> Sparks NV DM09dn
> Washoe County
>
> On 6/11/17 12:55 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:
>>
>> On 6/11/2017 2:45 PM, kevino z wrote:
>>> Although headsets like my Heil Pro 7 may be more money, am I really
>>> "wasting" money on buying a "fancy brand name"  considering the
>>> unit consists of mic and incredible speakers?
>>
>> Yes, at about $250 retail (plus adapter cable), the Pro 7 is more than
>> five times as expensive as the Yamaha CM-500 (electret mic), Koss SB40
>> (dynamic mic) or SB45 (electret mic) headsets.   Both the Yamaha and
>> Koss headsets have outstanding 120 Ohm headset drivers with sensitivity
>> rated at 96dB/mW and microphones well tailored for voice work. Heil
>> does not even publish the impedance or sensitivity for their headset
>> drivers!
>>
>> For the price of a Heil Pro 7 one could get a Broadcast headset like
>> the Audio Technica BPHS1 ($199), Sennheiser HMD280 ($249) or Shure
>> BRH440M ($249) - all of which are significantly higher quality than
>> the Pro7 (and field proven).
>>
>> 73,
>>
>>    ... Joe, W4TV
>
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From ron at cobi.biz  Sun Jun 11 22:35:01 2017
From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire)
Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2017 19:35:01 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] 6m off-frequency
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On my few excursions into SSB land, I've actually had operators answer my CQ
saying I was "off frequency" because I was not aligned exactly on some
multiple of 500 kHz. 

I apologize for any confusion and state that I am on XXX.440 or some similar
"non 500" frequency. And then return to CW. 

I do remember the days of a 10 minute long CQ followed by ten more minutes
of tuning across the Novice band looking for an answer. I often miss those
days and the ops I met back then. 

73, Ron AC7AC


-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net
[mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Mike Rhodes
Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2017 6:10 PM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] 6m off-frequency

...would certainly be interesting to set those operators who tune for the
"zeros" down in front of a vintage rig with a tuning dial - although I think
Erik alluded to that a bit in his post. Better yet, how about a stint in the
crystal controlled Novice band where you tuned from one end of the band to
the other in search of an answer to your call.

Mike / W8DN
Yes, a crusty OT


From john at kk9a.com  Sun Jun 11 22:55:56 2017
From: john at kk9a.com (john at kk9a.com)
Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2017 22:55:56 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft]  mic
Message-ID: <000001d2e327$6a982030$3fc86090$@com>

I have not tired the Yamaha CM500 but if I recall correctly it does not have
any replaceable parts. Where is the mic on the Grado SR-60?  For mic-less
contests I use the Sony MDR 7506 that K9YC recommends and I could not be
happier.

John KK9A


Walter Underwood wrote: 
Sun Jun 11 19:28:53 EDT 2017

Not sure I'd rate the Yamaha CM500 headset drivers as "outstanding". When my
Grado SR-60 headphones died (after 15 years), I tried using the CM500 for
music. That idea lasted about a day before I ordered new Grado phones. The
current SR60e model is $80, so not that different from the Yamaha in terms
of cost.

The CM500 is perfectly fine for voice communication work.

wunder
K6WRU
Walter Underwood
CM87wj
http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog)


From wunder at wunderwood.org  Sun Jun 11 23:22:08 2017
From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood)
Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2017 20:22:08 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] mic
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I was only talking about the ear portions of the CM500. Those are still not outstanding. Did I even suggest that there was a mic on the Grado headphones?

If you want to add an electret boom mic to your favorite headphones, use a ModMic.

https://antlionaudio.com/ <https://antlionaudio.com/>

wunder
K6WRU
Walter Underwood
CM87wj
http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog)

> On Jun 11, 2017, at 7:55 PM, <john at kk9a.com> <john at kk9a.com> wrote:
> 
> I have not tired the Yamaha CM500 but if I recall correctly it does not have
> any replaceable parts. Where is the mic on the Grado SR-60?  For mic-less
> contests I use the Sony MDR 7506 that K9YC recommends and I could not be
> happier.
> 
> John KK9A
> 
> 
> Walter Underwood wrote: 
> Sun Jun 11 19:28:53 EDT 2017
> 
> Not sure I'd rate the Yamaha CM500 headset drivers as "outstanding". When my
> Grado SR-60 headphones died (after 15 years), I tried using the CM500 for
> music. That idea lasted about a day before I ordered new Grado phones. The
> current SR60e model is $80, so not that different from the Yamaha in terms
> of cost.
> 
> The CM500 is perfectly fine for voice communication work.
> 
> wunder
> K6WRU
> Walter Underwood
> CM87wj
> http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog)
> 
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From wes_n7ws at triconet.org  Mon Jun 12 00:32:54 2017
From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes Stewart)
Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2017 21:32:54 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] mic - David Clark
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I have and have used a David Clark H10-30 headset on my TS870.  The microphone 
element is an amplified dynamic.  I don't recall what the original mic connector 
was; I cut if off and used the Kenwood standard 8-pin.  The headphones use a 
standard 1/4" mono plug.  I always got good audio reports but then I was using a 
TS870.

I have some documentation around here some place but I can say a gentleman at 
David Clark was very helpful and sent me plenty of information.

The main problem for me was that the phones really clamp your head and they're 
pretty heavy, which can get tiring.

Wes  N7WS

6/11/2017 2:44 PM, Fred Jensen wrote:
> Hmmm ... I've had it for several years and it saw some use before I got it but 
> I doubt it's old enough to be a carbon mic like the WW2 T-17.
>
> I just assumed the "noise cancelling" part applied to the headphones.  I 
> didn't know it might apply to the mic.  There's no external noise in my shack 
> to cancel anyway.
>
> The connector is round and the contacts stick out of the face.  I think there 
> are 6, maybe Headphones, Mic, and PTT?  There's a push-switch in the cable.  
> It looks like the connector fits over the panel connector and you twist is to 
> lock it ... like a BNC.  I don't think the headphones are stereo which is a 
> big negative with my K3.
>
> I was just curious.  This sounds like a project for some time when I have 
> exactly nothing else to do. [:-)  Thanks for the info
>
> 73,
>
> Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
> Sparks NV DM09dn
> Washoe County 


From ebasilier at cox.net  Mon Jun 12 02:06:05 2017
From: ebasilier at cox.net (Erik Basilier)
Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2017 23:06:05 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] OT Learning Morse anew
In-Reply-To: <Xado1v00B45oxQM01adpaw>
References: <CABPLeqp2Tn01458VVGuQn5KPYgLKL7nqke-zPGEjfZ-ApNBNcQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<Xado1v00B45oxQM01adpaw>
Message-ID: <000501d2e341$f9ed17d0$edc74770$@cox.net>

I learned morse by copying from 78 rpm phongraph records, gradually
increasing the speed, but I believe modern methods based of Farnsworth are
far superior. 

My club asked me to think about how the club could conduct cw training. I
searched for resources online, and was very impressed when I found the cwops
program some time ago. Students must participate in a series of lessons
where they each both receive and transmit, always at 20 wpm, but with extra
space between characters a la Farnsworth. 3 courses are conducted each year,
via Skype, with students from around the globe. You can easily find that out
online, but here is some additional detail. I asked cwops if they would let
me teach their curriculum locally to our club members, with a time schedule
of our own choosing, and over an FM repeater rather than Skype. The answer
was yes. So, if their schedule doesn't fit you, do ask them, and maybe you
can get something going with your club. Neither instructor nor students need
to be or become cwops members. So far, nothing has come of these ideas in my
club. The requirements that students obtain paddles and keyers suitable for
sending at 20 wpm, and commit to attend the full series of lessons, may be a
strumbling block. Nevertheless I think the program looks great, and I would
be very interested to hear about the experiences of others that have
actually used the cwops program. 

Another thought: For copy practice, you want to listen to speeds faster than
what you are currently comfortable with. That can be frustrating if there is
no way to compare what you caught with the full and correct text. Here is a
way to get that access to the corect answer. Participate in a contest such
as Field Day, where a given station's exchange is the same for every qso.
Find a station using the desired speed that is running CQ on a frequency.
Listen to a few of his qso's until you have copied his callsign and exchange
information (something like 3A SFL, which stands for class 3A in the Section
of South Florida; you should already know the corresponding info for your
own station). Once you are at that point, give him a call when he is done
with a qso. You know that it is time to call him when he sends something
like QRZ or FD or CONTEST. Don't send his callsign, only your own, and don't
bother with K or BK or variations thereof. It is ok to send at a lower speed
as long as you don't send any unneeded info in addition to your callsign.
Once you hear him send your callsign, send your own exchange information.
Etc.  Repeats are often requested by AGN (send it all again) or CLS (send
your class) or SEC (send your section). The qso is over when both stations
have sent R or QSL or some equivalent. The whole qso is so short that you
don't need to send your own callsign again at the end; when you sent it at
the beginning, that also counts as the end. The fact that you can take
plenty of time to copy his information, and that the information is short
and follows a predictable pattern, makes you comfortable communicating at a
speed higher than your normal capability, and meanwhile your brain is
getting used to the sound of high speed morse. 

73,
Erik K7TV

-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net
[mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of dgb
Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2017 3:37 PM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT Learning Morse anew

Yes, the best is

http://www.cwops.org/cwacademy.html

73 Dwight NS9I


On 6/11/2017 5:25 PM, Jim Sr Sturges wrote:
> I think I learned code all wrong. Can't ever seem to get my speed up.
>
> Surely some of the astute among you _know_ The Perfect Method, and I 
> hope you will share?
>
> To complete the OT-ness of this msg, I recently completed the QRP Labs 
> Ultimate WSPR/QRSS kit and re-learned the joys of soldering iron 
> burns, again. Certainly nothing wrong with Hans' excellent kits, and 
> the price is amazing for the functionality, design, and quality.
>
> Then I installed the PAE heat sink end panels on my KX2. The latter is 
> not for the faint of heart! I STRONGLY recommend the somewhat buried 
> hint in PAE's instructions to remove the AT board before attaching the 
> PA transistors to the heat sink. Tried it the other way and 
> re-discovered that my micromanipulation skills are right up there with 
> my CW -- maybe better, which is damned depressing.
>
> So, any help mastering Morse?
>
> Thanks in advance and 73,
>
> Jim N3SZ
>

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From m0lep at hewett.org  Mon Jun 12 05:59:49 2017
From: m0lep at hewett.org (Rick M0LEP)
Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2017 09:59:49 -0000
Subject: [Elecraft] OT Learning Morse anew
References: <CABPLeqp2Tn01458VVGuQn5KPYgLKL7nqke-zPGEjfZ-ApNBNcQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5032.593e6615.47c32.m0lep@hewett.org>

I only allowed myself to buy my KX3 after I'd completed a number of CW 
QSOs. I stumbled through most of them, but I confidently expected the 
KX3 would provide me with an incentive to improve my Morse, and I'd get 
better at it quite quickly. It didn't quite work out that way, though. 
I've had my KX3 since February 2013, and I'm still mostly stumbling 
along at sub-12wpm.

I don't think there is any such thing as "The Perfect Method". I was 
sold on "Koch" (with a side order of "Farnsworth"), which some folk 
swear is the One True Way to learn Morse, but the Koch incremental 
approach turned out to be a complete waste of time for me.

I suspect good teaching in a face-to-face class would probably have 
worked a lot better, but that sort of thing is pretty much impossible to 
find these days. The CWOps courses seem to get quite a bit of praise, 
and while they're not quite face-to-face (as they rely on something like 
Skype) they are at least led by real people rather than machines. Their 
main drawback is that they seem to have a waiting list well over a year 
long.

At the end of the day, I expect improving your Morse mostly comes down 
to practice, practice, practice. Having that practice guided by an 
experienced teacher would probably help a lot. If you can, find some 
local experienced Morse mentors, listen to their advice, and then 
practice, practice, practice...

....and try to get out and operate at whatever speed you can manage.

On Sun 11 Jun Jim Sr Sturges wrote:
> I think I learned code all wrong. Can't ever seem to get my speed up.
> 
> Surely some of the astute among you _know_ The Perfect Method, and I hope
> you will share?

-- 
73, Rick, M0LEP   (KX3 #3281)
The Alchemist's Guild is opposite the Gambler's Guild. Usually.
Sometimes it's above it, or below it, or falling in bits around it.
	-- (Terry Pratchett, Men At Arms)


From richard at lamont.me.uk  Mon Jun 12 06:00:06 2017
From: richard at lamont.me.uk (Richard Lamont)
Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2017 11:00:06 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] 6m off-frequency
In-Reply-To: <01a101d2e2fb$8a8e3590$9faaa0b0$@cox.net>
References: <XTn11v00N45oxQM01Tn2YV> <01a101d2e2fb$8a8e3590$9faaa0b0$@cox.net>
Message-ID: <77afe13a-5393-b8ae-84c9-42396fcea14f@lamont.me.uk>

On 11/06/17 22:41, Erik Basilier wrote:

> I don't have any suggestions for a solution beyond what others have already
> mentioned, but as a side note I would like to discuss the concept of "off
> frequency". 
> 
> It seems to me that these days, on the HF bands that I frequent, more and
> more people tune SSB to where the displayed frequency is on an 500 Hz
> boundary, and their rigs have sufficient frequency accuracy that excellent
> copyability results without any further adjustment. This approach is much
> faster than tuning by listening for most natural voice, which for me takes a
> few moments.
[snip]
> Now tuning SSB stations is a bit like tuning FM "channels". I am not advocating
> "channelizing" the HF bands, as we should have the freedom to select our
> frequenciy according to the situation, but a lot of times, using a frequency
> ending in zeroes saves time and effort.

I agree with all of your post, including the bits I've snipped.

These days the majority of SSB signals are not just on exact multiples
of 500 Hz, but on multiples of 1 kHz too.

I see this evolutionary development as a big improvement over the old
analogue free-running LC VFO days, before digital readouts, when we
could neither measure nor control our frequencies to better than about
500 Hz. We needed the RIT just to cope with drift!

I am not advocating channelizing the HF bands either, as this would
curtail our freedom to an extent that is difficult to justify. However,
assuming a "channel" is 3 kHz wide, if we're working to multiples of 1
kHz, then we've already moved one third of the way to de-facto
channelization without even realising it!

Nowadays one the main sources of QRM is other stations exactly one or
two kHz away from us.

If as individuals we voluntarily choose frequencies that are exact
multiples of 3 kHz, then we can help to reduce this problem. It both
reduces QRM and makes for more efficient use of the spectrum.

The only Elecraft-specific aspect of this relates to CONFIG:VFO CRS,
where the available step sizes (for SSB) are 0.1, 0.5, 1.0 and 2.5 kHz.
It would be nice if 3.0 kHz could be added to this list in a future
firmware upgrade, and the selection made per-band as well as per-mode.

73,
Richard G4DYA

From rthorne at rthorne.net  Mon Jun 12 07:04:35 2017
From: rthorne at rthorne.net (Richard Thorne)
Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2017 06:04:35 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] NoGaQRP Rig Stands
Message-ID: <64e086e3-6bdb-e399-a20d-0d5b25ec3f48@rthorne.net>

I purchased a 30/60 radio stand from Paul, W4KLY last week.

The unit is very nice and does exactly what I wanted it to do, stack the 
PX3 above the KX3 which fits nicely on my operating desk.

For those not familiar with the stands (there are several different 
models) check out http://www.nogaqrp.org/projects/NoGaStand/index.html

Now to finish up the details for my first SOTA activation next week in NM.

Rich - N5ZC

From k2vco.vic at gmail.com  Mon Jun 12 07:07:43 2017
From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP)
Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2017 14:07:43 +0300
Subject: [Elecraft] OT Learning Morse anew
In-Reply-To: <5032.593e6615.47c32.m0lep@hewett.org>
References: <CABPLeqp2Tn01458VVGuQn5KPYgLKL7nqke-zPGEjfZ-ApNBNcQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<5032.593e6615.47c32.m0lep@hewett.org>
Message-ID: <09cafb5e-a398-2256-042d-bc1194997cef@gmail.com>

Without going into too much detail (or extending this OT thread too 
much!), the way to get over the sub-12 wpm "hump" is to learn to copy 
short words and combinations of letters ("ing" "the" "out" etc.) as a 
unit, and not one character at a time.

One way to practice this is to use the well-known RUFZxp program 
<http://www.rufzxp.net/>
and to tell it to use a list of such short words and pieces of words in 
place of callsigns. Such lists are available (google "rufzxp word list") 
already prepared. Then you set it to go a little faster than you can 
comfortably copy, and listen. When you recognize a word or piece of one, 
you can type it in. But wait until you've recognized the whole thing 
before starting to type.

73,
Victor, 4X6GP
Rehovot, Israel
Formerly K2VCO
http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/
(A CWops CWA instructor)
On 12 Jun 2017 12:59, Rick M0LEP wrote:
> I only allowed myself to buy my KX3 after I'd completed a number of CW
> QSOs. I stumbled through most of them, but I confidently expected the
> KX3 would provide me with an incentive to improve my Morse, and I'd get
> better at it quite quickly. It didn't quite work out that way, though.
> I've had my KX3 since February 2013, and I'm still mostly stumbling
> along at sub-12wpm.
> 
> I don't think there is any such thing as "The Perfect Method". I was
> sold on "Koch" (with a side order of "Farnsworth"), which some folk
> swear is the One True Way to learn Morse, but the Koch incremental
> approach turned out to be a complete waste of time for me.
> 
> I suspect good teaching in a face-to-face class would probably have
> worked a lot better, but that sort of thing is pretty much impossible to
> find these days. The CWOps courses seem to get quite a bit of praise,
> and while they're not quite face-to-face (as they rely on something like
> Skype) they are at least led by real people rather than machines. Their
> main drawback is that they seem to have a waiting list well over a year
> long.
> 
> At the end of the day, I expect improving your Morse mostly comes down
> to practice, practice, practice. Having that practice guided by an
> experienced teacher would probably help a lot. If you can, find some
> local experienced Morse mentors, listen to their advice, and then
> practice, practice, practice...
> 
> ....and try to get out and operate at whatever speed you can manage.
> 
> On Sun 11 Jun Jim Sr Sturges wrote:
>> I think I learned code all wrong. Can't ever seem to get my speed up.
>>
>> Surely some of the astute among you _know_ The Perfect Method, and I hope
>> you will share?
> 

From kevin at k4vd.net  Mon Jun 12 08:18:15 2017
From: kevin at k4vd.net (Kevin - K4VD)
Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2017 08:18:15 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] OT Learning Morse anew
In-Reply-To: <09cafb5e-a398-2256-042d-bc1194997cef@gmail.com>
References: <CABPLeqp2Tn01458VVGuQn5KPYgLKL7nqke-zPGEjfZ-ApNBNcQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<5032.593e6615.47c32.m0lep@hewett.org>
	<09cafb5e-a398-2256-042d-bc1194997cef@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFA9ujs+8--QE1NXKEyUkTisg-=5EDGXWMhO490qpWm2Bk9Geg@mail.gmail.com>

?I learned code by memorizing 5 wpm and then getting on the air and having
as many contacts as I could. Nothing fancy, no coddling. Just do it.

73,
Kev
?

From c-hawley at illinois.edu  Mon Jun 12 09:41:42 2017
From: c-hawley at illinois.edu (ke9uw)
Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2017 06:41:42 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] MH3 rattle?
In-Reply-To: <010601d2e28e$42d42b00$c87c8100$@yahoo.com>
References: <010601d2e28e$42d42b00$c87c8100$@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1497274902194-7631648.post@n2.nabble.com>

Mine doesn't rattle. It comes apart fairly easily to check why.



-----
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From scott.manthe at gmail.com  Mon Jun 12 10:43:55 2017
From: scott.manthe at gmail.com (Scott Manthe)
Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2017 10:43:55 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] OT Learning Morse anew
In-Reply-To: <CAFA9ujs+8--QE1NXKEyUkTisg-=5EDGXWMhO490qpWm2Bk9Geg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABPLeqp2Tn01458VVGuQn5KPYgLKL7nqke-zPGEjfZ-ApNBNcQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<5032.593e6615.47c32.m0lep@hewett.org>
	<09cafb5e-a398-2256-042d-bc1194997cef@gmail.com>
	<CAFA9ujs+8--QE1NXKEyUkTisg-=5EDGXWMhO490qpWm2Bk9Geg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <aded12da-1d7a-dcf4-6567-a9a9e604aa6f@gmail.com>

How in the world is someone learning something in a way that most suits 
them "coddling?" People learn things differently, even Morse. Finding 
the way that best suits someone is not coddling them, it's helping them 
to learn efficiently.

Scott N9AA


On 6/12/17 8:18 AM, Kevin - K4VD wrote:
> ?I learned code by memorizing 5 wpm and then getting on the air and having
> as many contacts as I could. Nothing fancy, no coddling. Just do it.
>
> 73,
> Kev
> ?
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From n6kr at elecraft.com  Mon Jun 12 10:47:58 2017
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2017 07:47:58 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Flash mob experiment, right now, 28.050 +/- 5?
Message-ID: <6884D877-9F84-4E07-9E72-A00403D162AD@elecraft.com>

Hi all,

I?m hearing CW beacons from all over the place on 10 meters right now. (Supposedly some multi-hop activity on 6 meters, too.)

If you?re awake and would like to participate in a 10 meter ?flash mob? experiment, please join me on 28.050 +/- 5 kHz. Initially, callsigns ending in A-L listen, M-Z call CQ (myself included).

Keep in mind this is an experiment. No rules :)

73,
Wayne
N6KR



From kg9hfrank at gmail.com  Mon Jun 12 10:52:37 2017
From: kg9hfrank at gmail.com (kg9hfrank at gmail.com)
Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2017 09:52:37 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Flash mob experiment, right now, 28.050 +/- 5?
In-Reply-To: <6884D877-9F84-4E07-9E72-A00403D162AD@elecraft.com>
References: <6884D877-9F84-4E07-9E72-A00403D162AD@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <1D86E888-4496-43F3-A61D-6C5FA1006936@gmail.com>

KG9H here

> On Jun 12, 2017, at 9:47 AM, Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I?m hearing CW beacons from all over the place on 10 meters right now. (Supposedly some multi-hop activity on 6 meters, too.)
> 
> If you?re awake and would like to participate in a 10 meter ?flash mob? experiment, please join me on 28.050 +/- 5 kHz. Initially, callsigns ending in A-L listen, M-Z call CQ (myself included).
> 
> Keep in mind this is an experiment. No rules :)
> 
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR
> 
> 
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From kg9hfrank at gmail.com  Mon Jun 12 11:00:02 2017
From: kg9hfrank at gmail.com (kg9hfrank at gmail.com)
Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2017 10:00:02 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Flash mob experiment, right now, 28.050 +/- 5?
In-Reply-To: <6884D877-9F84-4E07-9E72-A00403D162AD@elecraft.com>
References: <6884D877-9F84-4E07-9E72-A00403D162AD@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <B04B39A8-3765-49C9-A656-24A6E9DFCEE5@gmail.com>

So I guess Wayne / Elecraft can ?open the bands??
Just worked two folks on 28.050.06
De KG9H


> On Jun 12, 2017, at 9:47 AM, Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I?m hearing CW beacons from all over the place on 10 meters right now. (Supposedly some multi-hop activity on 6 meters, too.)
> 
> If you?re awake and would like to participate in a 10 meter ?flash mob? experiment, please join me on 28.050 +/- 5 kHz. Initially, callsigns ending in A-L listen, M-Z call CQ (myself included).
> 
> Keep in mind this is an experiment. No rules :)
> 
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR
> 
> 
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From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Mon Jun 12 11:03:55 2017
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2017 08:03:55 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] mic
In-Reply-To: <5C76D626-2D3E-4A8D-B071-5AC9329B95F7@k0acp.com>
References: <15c950530f1-15a0-5798@webprd-a100.mail.aol.com>
	<7021536f-5934-57c2-9c65-50b5633caaff@montac.com>
	<5eeffa06-185c-47cc-04ac-787fd8367f7d@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<535214c9-9f56-fc7d-b566-c3fb72905d99@blomand.net>
	<d884e8e4-49d9-22e0-4151-2978b3bc9231@subich.com>
	<BN6PR15MB142584AB8EFA6DA176D37A84FACC0@BN6PR15MB1425.namprd15.prod.outlook.com>
	<306b85f8-bd4b-e614-6c39-d0d50ee05ae5@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<5C76D626-2D3E-4A8D-B071-5AC9329B95F7@k0acp.com>
Message-ID: <374a3e9c-8e48-fd81-588d-39c5d3e95a1c@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On Sun,6/11/2017 4:16 PM, Art Peters wrote:
> The point that I'll say is that the Yamaha headset, which I did buy largely from your raving reviews, did a fine job, but were never as comfortable as my other headsets.  I do use them as a spare and for guest ops. In fact, if I wear them for more than a couple hours, I get a rather nasty headache...
>
> So, I'd like to add to this conversation.  While we have great ability to leverage a wide variety of mics, for me at least, fit and comfort are equal.

I couldn't agree more.  I find my CM500 comfortable enough to wear for a 
long weekend contest (some run 40 hours!). But that's a VERY personal 
thing -- we're all different. So I would be last person to tell you 
what's comfy for me is also comfy for you. :)  In-ear headphones are 
even more "user-specific."

I also find Sony MDR7506 extremely comfortable, so much so that I wear 
these cans all night as I sleep to pump jazz into my head. :)

Several times over the years, I've tried on those expensive aviation 
headsets adapted for ham use, and each time found them an element of 
physical torture.

The weak spot of most headphones is that their cables are not 
replaceable. The Sony cables are quite rugged, and I've never had a set 
break, but I did buy a set at a hamfest for $5 with a bad cable, and was 
never able to find a replacement. :)  I'm not easy on headsets, and have 
managed to break the cables in two CM500s.

73, Jim K9YC


From n6kr at elecraft.com  Mon Jun 12 11:04:41 2017
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2017 08:04:41 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Flash mob experiment, right now, 28.050 +/- 5?
In-Reply-To: <B04B39A8-3765-49C9-A656-24A6E9DFCEE5@gmail.com>
References: <6884D877-9F84-4E07-9E72-A00403D162AD@elecraft.com>
	<B04B39A8-3765-49C9-A656-24A6E9DFCEE5@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BAF8D1C1-4EC2-482A-8A0C-301D3589805A@elecraft.com>

I hear a few very weak sigs in there. My main antenna is offline so I?m using a rotatable dipole at 25?. I?ll be on for awhile.

And yes, this is an experiment in ?opening the band? :)  Anyone should be able to do it. Name your time/place.

Wayne
N6KR

> On Jun 12, 2017, at 8:00 AM, kg9hfrank at gmail.com wrote:
> 
> So I guess Wayne / Elecraft can ?open the bands??
> Just worked two folks on 28.050.06
> De KG9H
> 
> 
>> On Jun 12, 2017, at 9:47 AM, Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I?m hearing CW beacons from all over the place on 10 meters right now. (Supposedly some multi-hop activity on 6 meters, too.)
>> 
>> If you?re awake and would like to participate in a 10 meter ?flash mob? experiment, please join me on 28.050 +/- 5 kHz. Initially, callsigns ending in A-L listen, M-Z call CQ (myself included).
>> 
>> Keep in mind this is an experiment. No rules :)
>> 
>> 73,
>> Wayne
>> N6KR
>> 
>> 
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From marvwheeler at nwlink.com  Mon Jun 12 11:06:34 2017
From: marvwheeler at nwlink.com (Marvin Wheeler)
Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2017 08:06:34 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] OT Learning Morse anew
Message-ID: <001701d2e38d$7b9434d0$72bc9e70$@nwlink.com>

I think there are three factors necessary to learning CW. All are important
and they are:

 

1.	Desire
2.	Patience
3.	Persistence

 

There is no other easy or quick way to achieve your goal.

 

Marv

KG7V

 

K3S, KPA500, KANT3m P3

 



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From n6kr at elecraft.com  Mon Jun 12 11:14:36 2017
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2017 08:14:36 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] Re:  Flash mob experiment, right now,
 28.050 +/- 5?
In-Reply-To: <20247A75-9EBE-4204-9D08-3E15CF761C84@gmail.com>
References: <6884D877-9F84-4E07-9E72-A00403D162AD@elecraft.com>
	<1D86E888-4496-43F3-A61D-6C5FA1006936@gmail.com>
	<20247A75-9EBE-4204-9D08-3E15CF761C84@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <EB127898-A8CD-419D-9487-FFDD79E3E574@elecraft.com>

Worked KG7V just now. Thanks. Still on 28050.

Wayne


> On Jun 12, 2017, at 8:13 AM, Paul Kobetz <pkobetz at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> On Jun 12, 2017, at 7:52 AM, 'kg9hfrank at gmail.com' kg9hfrank at gmail.com [KX3] <KX3-noreply at yahoogroups.com> wrote:
> 
>> KG9H here
>> 
>> > On Jun 12, 2017, at 9:47 AM, Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com> wrote:
>> > 
>> > Hi all,
>> > 
>> > I?m hearing CW beacons from all over the place on 10 meters right now. (Supposedly some multi-hop activity on 6 meters, too.)
>> > 
>> > If you?re awake and would like to participate in a 10 meter ?flash mob? experiment, please join me on 28.050 +/- 5 kHz. Initially, callsigns ending in A-L listen, M-Z call CQ (myself included).
>> > 
>> > Keep in mind this is an experiment. No rules :)
>> > 
>> > 73,
>> > Wayne
>> > N6KR
>> > 
>> > 
>> > __________________________________________________________
>> > Elecraft mailing list
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From marvwheeler at nwlink.com  Mon Jun 12 11:19:51 2017
From: marvwheeler at nwlink.com (Marvin Wheeler)
Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2017 08:19:51 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Flash mob experiment, right now, 28.050 +/- 5?
Message-ID: <001c01d2e38f$56859830$0390c890$@nwlink.com>

Just worked Wayne on 28.050. I am on the coast in Western Washington. Signal
was marginal due to QSB but came up and was easily copyable.

 

Thanks for the qso.

 

Marv

KG7V



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From kevin at k4vd.net  Mon Jun 12 11:20:26 2017
From: kevin at k4vd.net (Kevin - K4VD)
Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2017 11:20:26 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] OT Learning Morse anew
In-Reply-To: <aded12da-1d7a-dcf4-6567-a9a9e604aa6f@gmail.com>
References: <CABPLeqp2Tn01458VVGuQn5KPYgLKL7nqke-zPGEjfZ-ApNBNcQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<5032.593e6615.47c32.m0lep@hewett.org>
	<09cafb5e-a398-2256-042d-bc1194997cef@gmail.com>
	<CAFA9ujs+8--QE1NXKEyUkTisg-=5EDGXWMhO490qpWm2Bk9Geg@mail.gmail.com>
	<aded12da-1d7a-dcf4-6567-a9a9e604aa6f@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFA9ujuSA_0tzCYA2eOB8ZusC+wC=P97nBgvc+3qqYwMPmtb2Q@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Scott. Out of all that you only quote the word coddling? I didn't say
anything about how someone else should learn Morse code (other than maybe
Just do it). I said how I learned it. Nothing fancy, nose to the
grindstone, learn by doing. It's just Morse code. It is not a new language.
It is a substitute for letters in our existing language. There's 26
letters, 10 numbers and a handful of prosigns. Not terribly complicated.

You seem to need a cause to fight for but it's not here. People do learn
things differently and I shared how I learned. That can't be changed.

Kev K4VD


On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 10:43 AM, Scott Manthe <scott.manthe at gmail.com>
wrote:

> How in the world is someone learning something in a way that most suits
> them "coddling?" People learn things differently, even Morse. Finding the
> way that best suits someone is not coddling them, it's helping them to
> learn efficiently.
>
> Scott N9AA
>
>
> On 6/12/17 8:18 AM, Kevin - K4VD wrote:
>
>> ?I learned code by memorizing 5 wpm and then getting on the air and having
>> as many contacts as I could. Nothing fancy, no coddling. Just do it.
>>
>> 73,
>> Kev
>> ?
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From n6kr at elecraft.com  Mon Jun 12 11:23:49 2017
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2017 08:23:49 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Flash mob experiment, right now, 28.050 +/- 5?
In-Reply-To: <001c01d2e38f$56859830$0390c890$@nwlink.com>
References: <001c01d2e38f$56859830$0390c890$@nwlink.com>
Message-ID: <3FD0C67C-519C-457D-9ED6-A4841F0177B6@elecraft.com>

In these days of low solar activity we have to make our own openings....

Wayne
N6KR


> On Jun 12, 2017, at 8:19 AM, Marvin Wheeler <marvwheeler at nwlink.com> wrote:
> 
> Just worked Wayne on 28.050. I am on the coast in Western Washington. Signal
> was marginal due to QSB but came up and was easily copyable.
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks for the qso.
> 
> 
> 
> Marv
> 
> KG7V
> 

From jalleninvest at gmail.com  Mon Jun 12 11:25:52 2017
From: jalleninvest at gmail.com (Jim Allen)
Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2017 10:25:52 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] OT Learning Morse anew
Message-ID: <145270C9-30A5-4801-9CE5-457647F0D6CB@gmail.com>

One approach is to expand one's vocabulary.  You recognize CQ at almost any speed, because it is so familiar, as well as most "Q" signals, RST, BT, BK, etc.  

Hardly anyone needs to copy 5 letter groups these days like we did as Navy radiomen.

One fellow has provided this:

http://www.hamradioqrp.com/2016/11/get-used-to-common-stuff.html

73 Jim Allen W6OGC 

Sent from my iPad

From dpbunte at gmail.com  Mon Jun 12 11:29:52 2017
From: dpbunte at gmail.com (David Bunte)
Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2017 11:29:52 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Flash mob experiment, right now, 28.050 +/- 5?
In-Reply-To: <001c01d2e38f$56859830$0390c890$@nwlink.com>
References: <001c01d2e38f$56859830$0390c890$@nwlink.com>
Message-ID: <CANCJpbQ5J2cbk-SsGkcnn8yasTy4BjGDTmX7Hi4b_iSkJaUSxg@mail.gmail.com>

Just worked 4 folks on 28.050... and am now moving to 28.052.

Dave - K9FN

On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 11:19 AM, Marvin Wheeler <marvwheeler at nwlink.com>
wrote:

> Just worked Wayne on 28.050. I am on the coast in Western Washington.
> Signal
> was marginal due to QSB but came up and was easily copyable.
>
>
>
> Thanks for the qso.
>
>
>
> Marv
>
> KG7V
>
>
>
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From n8nn at earthlink.net  Mon Jun 12 11:32:56 2017
From: n8nn at earthlink.net (Bert Garcia N8NN)
Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2017 11:32:56 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Flash mob experiment, right now, 28.050 +/- 5?
In-Reply-To: <6884D877-9F84-4E07-9E72-A00403D162AD@elecraft.com>
References: <6884D877-9F84-4E07-9E72-A00403D162AD@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <09fe01d2e391$2c7eb470$857c1d50$@earthlink.net>

Worked three, but band conditions are poor.  Wish that sunspot cycle would hurry up and peak again!

Bert N8NN

-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Wayne Burdick
Sent: Monday, June 12, 2017 10:48 AM
To: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>; KX3 at yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Elecraft] Flash mob experiment, right now, 28.050 +/- 5?

Hi all,

I?m hearing CW beacons from all over the place on 10 meters right now. (Supposedly some multi-hop activity on 6 meters, too.)

If you?re awake and would like to participate in a 10 meter ?flash mob? experiment, please join me on 28.050 +/- 5 kHz. Initially, callsigns ending in A-L listen, M-Z call CQ (myself included).

Keep in mind this is an experiment. No rules :)

73,
Wayne
N6KR


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From bill.ke5og at gmail.com  Mon Jun 12 11:34:33 2017
From: bill.ke5og at gmail.com (Bill Brooks)
Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2017 10:34:33 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Flash mob experiment, right now, 28.050 +/- 5?
In-Reply-To: <3FD0C67C-519C-457D-9ED6-A4841F0177B6@elecraft.com>
References: <001c01d2e38f$56859830$0390c890$@nwlink.com>
	<3FD0C67C-519C-457D-9ED6-A4841F0177B6@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <CAO0qdbLYSTCAcshN3GjcezgNf7jszRXNTtGnwLDSAmx=NO0m6Q@mail.gmail.com>

You guys are COOL. A flash mob on CW to open up an otherwise dead band.
 What a Wonderful idea, Wayne.

Bill, KE5OG


On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 10:23 AM, Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com> wrote:

> In these days of low solar activity we have to make our own openings....
>
> Wayne
> N6KR
>
>
> > On Jun 12, 2017, at 8:19 AM, Marvin Wheeler <marvwheeler at nwlink.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Just worked Wayne on 28.050. I am on the coast in Western Washington.
> Signal
> > was marginal due to QSB but came up and was easily copyable.
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks for the qso.
> >
> >
> >
> > Marv
> >
> > KG7V
> >
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From wb6rse1 at mac.com  Mon Jun 12 11:36:40 2017
From: wb6rse1 at mac.com (wb6rse1 at mac.com)
Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2017 08:36:40 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] OT Learning Morse anew
In-Reply-To: <145270C9-30A5-4801-9CE5-457647F0D6CB@gmail.com>
References: <145270C9-30A5-4801-9CE5-457647F0D6CB@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C6262A46-FE50-4A84-B735-EFF60087FD80@mac.com>

Farnsworth.

http://www.justlearnmorsecode.com/farnsworth.html

73 - Steve WB6RSE

From dpbunte at gmail.com  Mon Jun 12 11:42:26 2017
From: dpbunte at gmail.com (David Bunte)
Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2017 11:42:26 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Flash mob experiment, right now, 28.050 +/- 5?
In-Reply-To: <09fe01d2e391$2c7eb470$857c1d50$@earthlink.net>
References: <6884D877-9F84-4E07-9E72-A00403D162AD@elecraft.com>
	<09fe01d2e391$2c7eb470$857c1d50$@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <CANCJpbTQmopvioiAj4ze8VbYkev_bxNzKsTVEy20fLyAeMbkLQ@mail.gmail.com>

I only had a few minutes, and worked 5 stations. N8NN was my first. His
signal was actually only 559 but I gave him 599 before looking at the
meter. My noise level was VERY low this morning so several signals really
jumped out at me. Some were honest S-9 sigs... a real treat.

As near as I could tell at a glance, I was picked up by 6 or 7 skimmers,
from coast to coast, plus J68HZ & PJ2A.

I was running my KPA500 at about 450 watts, but my antenna is just a 30'
Flag Pole vertical, so it was a real treat to work anybody.

73 to all de Dave - K9FN

On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 11:32 AM, Bert Garcia N8NN <n8nn at earthlink.net>
wrote:

> Worked three, but band conditions are poor.  Wish that sunspot cycle would
> hurry up and peak again!
>
> Bert N8NN
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-bounces@
> mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Wayne Burdick
> Sent: Monday, June 12, 2017 10:48 AM
> To: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>; KX3 at yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Elecraft] Flash mob experiment, right now, 28.050 +/- 5?
>
> Hi all,
>
> I?m hearing CW beacons from all over the place on 10 meters right now.
> (Supposedly some multi-hop activity on 6 meters, too.)
>
> If you?re awake and would like to participate in a 10 meter ?flash mob?
> experiment, please join me on 28.050 +/- 5 kHz. Initially, callsigns ending
> in A-L listen, M-Z call CQ (myself included).
>
> Keep in mind this is an experiment. No rules :)
>
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR
>
>
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From k9ztv at socket.net  Mon Jun 12 11:43:24 2017
From: k9ztv at socket.net (KENT TRIMBLE)
Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2017 10:43:24 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] OT Learning Morse anew
In-Reply-To: <aded12da-1d7a-dcf4-6567-a9a9e604aa6f@gmail.com>
References: <CABPLeqp2Tn01458VVGuQn5KPYgLKL7nqke-zPGEjfZ-ApNBNcQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<5032.593e6615.47c32.m0lep@hewett.org>
	<09cafb5e-a398-2256-042d-bc1194997cef@gmail.com>
	<CAFA9ujs+8--QE1NXKEyUkTisg-=5EDGXWMhO490qpWm2Bk9Geg@mail.gmail.com>
	<aded12da-1d7a-dcf4-6567-a9a9e604aa6f@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <839a0f22-e38c-35d4-7200-415c338eb408@socket.net>

I thoroughly agree with Kev about "getting on the air."

I teach two and sometimes three Morse Code classes every Saturday 
morning.  The students all KNOW the code.  They can accurately copy 10 
WPM and above, and can send quite decently.  But no matter how much I 
encourage, cajole, or "coddle," they resist my pleas to get "on the air" 
for all kinds of reasons, but primarily two -- either no one comes back 
to them or all they can find are speed demons who won't slow down.

The worse thing the FCC ever did for amateur radio (in my opinion) was 
the elimination of the non-renewable Novice license with the concomitant 
doing away of the Novice sub-bands.  Those were safe-harbors for 
neophytes to find each other, work each other, and improve each other 
without feeling intimidated.  The non-renewable aspect served to 
motivate those who were desirous of deeper involvement in 
communications, and to give a graceful exit to those who weren't.

All the computer programs and well-structured academies in-the-world are 
simply no substitute for good old-fashioned one-on-one Morse Code work 
between two eager and nervous operators.  That's how you learn best and 
how you learn quickest. And an even greater dividend is that you learn 
about propagation, procedures, tuning skills, how receivers work, signal 
paths, solar effects, antenna fundamentals, and a host of other things 
that can't be learned on a laptop, no matter how well the application is 
executed or the content designed.

73,

Kent  K9ZTV



On 6/12/2017 9:43 AM, Scott Manthe wrote:
> How in the world is someone learning something in a way that most 
> suits them "coddling?" People learn things differently, even Morse. 
> Finding the way that best suits someone is not coddling them, it's 
> helping them to learn efficiently.
>
> Scott N9AA
>
>
> On 6/12/17 8:18 AM, Kevin - K4VD wrote:
>> ?I learned code by memorizing 5 wpm and then getting on the air and 
>> having
>> as many contacts as I could. Nothing fancy, no coddling. Just do it.
>>
>> 73,
>> Kev
>> ?


From kengkopp at gmail.com  Mon Jun 12 11:47:00 2017
From: kengkopp at gmail.com (Ken G Kopp)
Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2017 09:47:00 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] Steve, WB6RSE's message
Message-ID: <CAD4CdTPVf6_wv3DDyxQaS80+x9QH7_dnf4QUqUXHq_mBEqetMg@mail.gmail.com>

The Farnsworth method is the best!

73

Ken - K0PP

From ae5x at juno.com  Mon Jun 12 11:51:43 2017
From: ae5x at juno.com (John AE5X)
Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2017 15:51:43 GMT
Subject: [Elecraft] Flash mob experiment, right now, 28.050 +/- 5?
Message-ID: <20170612.105143.10074.0@webmail06.vgs.untd.com>

Well that was fun! Only time for one QSO and it was with Dale WA8SRA (K3, 500 watts) whose signal got stronger as the QSO continued. I hope this is still going on later when I have more time to play. Nice to see 10m being opened by a reflector posting!

73 all,

John AE5X
http://ae5x.blogspot.com/
 
 

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From n9tf at comcast.net  Mon Jun 12 11:55:47 2017
From: n9tf at comcast.net (EUGENE GABRY)
Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2017 10:55:47 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Elecraft] Flash mob experiment, right now, 28.050 +/- 5?
In-Reply-To: <3FD0C67C-519C-457D-9ED6-A4841F0177B6@elecraft.com>
References: <001c01d2e38f$56859830$0390c890$@nwlink.com>
	<3FD0C67C-519C-457D-9ED6-A4841F0177B6@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <1322765201.84036.1497282947937@connect.xfinity.com>


> On June 12, 2017 at 10:23 AM Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> In these days of low solar activity we have to make our own openings....
> 
> Wayne
> N6KR

I think the key lesson we have learned here is, call CQ much, much more often then just watching spots and listening. If we all just watched spots and listened, the static would be deafening!

Wished I could have been home and on the air for this "experiment"!

73 Gene, N9TF

From kengkopp at gmail.com  Mon Jun 12 12:04:12 2017
From: kengkopp at gmail.com (Ken G Kopp)
Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2017 10:04:12 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] Nothing heard
Message-ID: <CAD4CdTNdNdA55yiAacXqhyKQ52Sshx5J_vqqxqeLoeo=L2mJ-g@mail.gmail.com>

Nothing heard here in Montana on 28050.0

Will continue to QSX

73!

K0PP

From k2vco.vic at gmail.com  Mon Jun 12 12:05:25 2017
From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Vic Rosenthal)
Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2017 19:05:25 +0300
Subject: [Elecraft] Flash mob experiment, right now, 28.050 +/- 5?
In-Reply-To: <1322765201.84036.1497282947937@connect.xfinity.com>
References: <001c01d2e38f$56859830$0390c890$@nwlink.com>
	<3FD0C67C-519C-457D-9ED6-A4841F0177B6@elecraft.com>
	<1322765201.84036.1497282947937@connect.xfinity.com>
Message-ID: <8296C35F-7D87-4D3A-A9B6-B34470953590@gmail.com>

I hear lots of E skip lately. But there aren't enough ion clouds in the right places for me to reach you guys!
But I did work an LZ (about 860 miles away) lower in the band with good signals.

Vic 4X6GP 

> On 12 Jun 2017, at 18:55, EUGENE GABRY <n9tf at comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> 
>> On June 12, 2017 at 10:23 AM Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> In these days of low solar activity we have to make our own openings....
>> 
>> Wayne
>> N6KR
> 
> I think the key lesson we have learned here is, call CQ much, much more often then just watching spots and listening. If we all just watched spots and listened, the static would be deafening!
> 
> Wished I could have been home and on the air for this "experiment"!
> 
> 73 Gene, N9TF
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From k9ztv at socket.net  Mon Jun 12 11:46:27 2017
From: k9ztv at socket.net (KENT TRIMBLE)
Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2017 10:46:27 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Flash mob experiment, right now, 28.050 +/- 5?
In-Reply-To: <CAO0qdbLYSTCAcshN3GjcezgNf7jszRXNTtGnwLDSAmx=NO0m6Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <001c01d2e38f$56859830$0390c890$@nwlink.com>
	<3FD0C67C-519C-457D-9ED6-A4841F0177B6@elecraft.com>
	<CAO0qdbLYSTCAcshN3GjcezgNf7jszRXNTtGnwLDSAmx=NO0m6Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9ce20d8e-1477-fc55-1b7b-edd2cf2c5194@socket.net>

A phenomenon appearing yearly at 1800Z on Field Day Saturday.

K9ZTV



On 6/12/2017 10:34 AM, Bill Brooks wrote:
> You guys are COOL. A flash mob on CW to open up an otherwise dead 
> band. What a Wonderful idea, Wayne. Bill, KE5OG


From bill.ke5og at gmail.com  Mon Jun 12 12:22:07 2017
From: bill.ke5og at gmail.com (Bill Brooks)
Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2017 11:22:07 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] OT Learning Morse anew
In-Reply-To: <839a0f22-e38c-35d4-7200-415c338eb408@socket.net>
References: <CABPLeqp2Tn01458VVGuQn5KPYgLKL7nqke-zPGEjfZ-ApNBNcQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<5032.593e6615.47c32.m0lep@hewett.org>
	<09cafb5e-a398-2256-042d-bc1194997cef@gmail.com>
	<CAFA9ujs+8--QE1NXKEyUkTisg-=5EDGXWMhO490qpWm2Bk9Geg@mail.gmail.com>
	<aded12da-1d7a-dcf4-6567-a9a9e604aa6f@gmail.com>
	<839a0f22-e38c-35d4-7200-415c338eb408@socket.net>
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Amen, Kent.

Bill, KE5OG


On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 10:43 AM, KENT TRIMBLE <k9ztv at socket.net> wrote:

> I thoroughly agree with Kev about "getting on the air."
>
> I teach two and sometimes three Morse Code classes every Saturday
> morning.  The students all KNOW the code.  They can accurately copy 10 WPM
> and above, and can send quite decently.  But no matter how much I
> encourage, cajole, or "coddle," they resist my pleas to get "on the air"
> for all kinds of reasons, but primarily two -- either no one comes back to
> them or all they can find are speed demons who won't slow down.
>
> The worse thing the FCC ever did for amateur radio (in my opinion) was the
> elimination of the non-renewable Novice license with the concomitant doing
> away of the Novice sub-bands.  Those were safe-harbors for neophytes to
> find each other, work each other, and improve each other without feeling
> intimidated.  The non-renewable aspect served to motivate those who were
> desirous of deeper involvement in communications, and to give a graceful
> exit to those who weren't.
>
> All the computer programs and well-structured academies in-the-world are
> simply no substitute for good old-fashioned one-on-one Morse Code work
> between two eager and nervous operators.  That's how you learn best and how
> you learn quickest. And an even greater dividend is that you learn about
> propagation, procedures, tuning skills, how receivers work, signal paths,
> solar effects, antenna fundamentals, and a host of other things that can't
> be learned on a laptop, no matter how well the application is executed or
> the content designed.
>
> 73,
>
> Kent  K9ZTV
>
>
>
> On 6/12/2017 9:43 AM, Scott Manthe wrote:
>
>> How in the world is someone learning something in a way that most suits
>> them "coddling?" People learn things differently, even Morse. Finding the
>> way that best suits someone is not coddling them, it's helping them to
>> learn efficiently.
>>
>> Scott N9AA
>>
>>
>> On 6/12/17 8:18 AM, Kevin - K4VD wrote:
>>
>>> ?I learned code by memorizing 5 wpm and then getting on the air and
>>> having
>>> as many contacts as I could. Nothing fancy, no coddling. Just do it.
>>>
>>> 73,
>>> Kev
>>> ?
>>>
>>
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From keith.hutt at virgin.net  Mon Jun 12 12:43:58 2017
From: keith.hutt at virgin.net (Keith Hutt)
Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2017 17:43:58 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] OT Learning Morse anew
In-Reply-To: <001701d2e38d$7b9434d0$72bc9e70$@nwlink.com>
References: <001701d2e38d$7b9434d0$72bc9e70$@nwlink.com>
Message-ID: <3FE024B2DD484BC2939704FA09139437@KeithPC>


That is the essence of learning CW in a nutshell.

Back in 1969 when i attended college to become a Merchant Navy RO, CW was a 
function that had to mastered, no CW no job it was that simple.

22 people on the course from all walks of life. all with the dream of 
becoming Radio Officers. No excuses of i cant do it etc, you had to learn.

Anyone can learn CW all it takes are the things listed by the previous 
author, there is no magic about all it is is practice, practice and more 
practice.

Anyway after about 6 months of CW every day Monday to Friday we were all at 
the required speed of 25 WPM sending and receiving.

Some found it easier than others but everyone got their.

I suppose the ,main difference is simple you could pass the other 6 exams 
but fail CW it was a complete fail, retake all the exams in 12 months time. 
But when your future
life depends on it you put the effort in and pass.

So good luck to everyone learning CW, but it really is simple put the effort 
in you will learn, speed comes with practice and more practice.


Regards

Keith G0TSH


-----Original Message----- 
From: Marvin Wheeler
Sent: Monday, June 12, 2017 4:06 PM
To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT Learning Morse anew

I think there are three factors necessary to learning CW. All are important
and they are:



1. Desire
2. Patience
3. Persistence



There is no other easy or quick way to achieve your goal.



Marv

KG7V



K3S, KPA500, KANT3m P3





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From gkidder at ilstu.edu  Mon Jun 12 12:49:23 2017
From: gkidder at ilstu.edu (GWK)
Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2017 12:49:23 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Flash mob experiment, right now, 28.050 +/- 5?
In-Reply-To: <6884D877-9F84-4E07-9E72-A00403D162AD@elecraft.com>
References: <6884D877-9F84-4E07-9E72-A00403D162AD@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <8447b2ec-1ab3-7297-5f71-66faf9076687@ilstu.edu>

Just worked Detroit, and heard MD but have to QRT.

W3HBM, Bar Harbor, ME


On 6/12/2017 10:47 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I?m hearing CW beacons from all over the place on 10 meters right now. (Supposedly some multi-hop activity on 6 meters, too.)
>
> If you?re awake and would like to participate in a 10 meter ?flash mob? experiment, please join me on 28.050 +/- 5 kHz. Initially, callsigns ending in A-L listen, M-Z call CQ (myself included).
>
> Keep in mind this is an experiment. No rules :)
>
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR
>
>
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From bob at hogbytes.com  Mon Jun 12 12:55:37 2017
From: bob at hogbytes.com (Bob N3MNT)
Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2017 09:55:37 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] Flash mob experiment, right now, 28.050 +/- 5?
In-Reply-To: <1322765201.84036.1497282947937@connect.xfinity.com>
References: <6884D877-9F84-4E07-9E72-A00403D162AD@elecraft.com>
	<001c01d2e38f$56859830$0390c890$@nwlink.com>
	<3FD0C67C-519C-457D-9ED6-A4841F0177B6@elecraft.com>
	<1322765201.84036.1497282947937@connect.xfinity.com>
Message-ID: <1497286537842-7631676.post@n2.nabble.com>

Got two mid country stations from East Coast.  Heard a few WC stations but
QRN made ID tough.  Much better luck on 6M Canada, Maine, Cuba, KS. 



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From fred at fmeco.com  Mon Jun 12 12:59:48 2017
From: fred at fmeco.com (Fred Moore)
Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2017 12:59:48 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] OT Learning Morse anew
In-Reply-To: <5032.593e6615.47c32.m0lep@hewett.org>
References: <CABPLeqp2Tn01458VVGuQn5KPYgLKL7nqke-zPGEjfZ-ApNBNcQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<5032.593e6615.47c32.m0lep@hewett.org>
Message-ID: <75b24db9-e978-3f07-4c59-c8caa482b7c7@fmeco.com>

I am convinced that the barrier most folks have is from bad habits that
allow you to unconsciously learn double and triple conversion in your head.

when you are slow..  hear the sound, count the elements, determine what
it means, then convert to writing.. 

I am 100% convinced that doing anything to fix that problem is the only
solution to the problem.. 

My real life story, which has been applied to multiple other people and
has fixed the problem in most cases..

Back in the mid 70es I was trying to break the 13 WPM barrier to get my
General License.. I was working several stations per night but not
getting anywhere with my speed..  A friend at work who was not a ham,
but taught CW in the Army finally heard from me enough and said "are you
free tonight and do you have a code practice oscillator"  I did so over
he came..

He grabbed a book from the shelf, handed me some paper and said..

I am going to transmit at 15WPM for the next 15 minutes.  I want to you
write each letter down, don't worry about the mistakes I don't care
about them..  I will not stop.

After the 15 minutes he took the paper and started writing down
letters...  He only wrote down the first letter I missed in a string
when done he said..

you are double translating in your head and there are 6 elements you
really don't know.  So after a cup of coffee, he sent me those 6 letters
for the next hour at 20 wpm, no writing only saying the letter out loud
as I heard them.  Spacing was also fast..  no farnsworth, don't even
think it existed them..  if I had it wrong he didn't say anything, he
just kept repeating the character till I had it correct then he went
on.   after a break, we then spent another hour doing the same thing
with all other elements and then he went home. 

The next night he came over and I not only was at 13wpm but could write
at 18 wpm 100%.

then he said.. now get on the air, from now on you are only allowed to
write name, call, address if sent, otherwise copy in your head..    you
now know all elements of the code, if you are writing you are
translating from ear to mind to hand,  you do not want to translate at
all, anyone is capable of writing from memory without stopping to
translate..

problem fixed..  and have been enjoying CW since then..  I have used
this method about 10 times myself on other hams, and in all but one case
the problem was fixed...  

the moral..  listen to faster code than you need, and put down the
pencil and paper.. Fred

Fred Moore
email: fred at fmeco.com
       wd8kni at gmail.com
phone: 321-217-8699

On 6/12/17 5:59 AM, Rick M0LEP wrote:
> I only allowed myself to buy my KX3 after I'd completed a number of CW 
> QSOs. I stumbled through most of them, but I confidently expected the 
> KX3 would provide me with an incentive to improve my Morse, and I'd get 
> better at it quite quickly. It didn't quite work out that way, though. 
> I've had my KX3 since February 2013, and I'm still mostly stumbling 
> along at sub-12wpm.
>
> I don't think there is any such thing as "The Perfect Method". I was 
> sold on "Koch" (with a side order of "Farnsworth"), which some folk 
> swear is the One True Way to learn Morse, but the Koch incremental 
> approach turned out to be a complete waste of time for me.
>
> I suspect good teaching in a face-to-face class would probably have 
> worked a lot better, but that sort of thing is pretty much impossible to 
> find these days. The CWOps courses seem to get quite a bit of praise, 
> and while they're not quite face-to-face (as they rely on something like 
> Skype) they are at least led by real people rather than machines. Their 
> main drawback is that they seem to have a waiting list well over a year 
> long.
>
> At the end of the day, I expect improving your Morse mostly comes down 
> to practice, practice, practice. Having that practice guided by an 
> experienced teacher would probably help a lot. If you can, find some 
> local experienced Morse mentors, listen to their advice, and then 
> practice, practice, practice...
>
> ....and try to get out and operate at whatever speed you can manage.
>
> On Sun 11 Jun Jim Sr Sturges wrote:
>> I think I learned code all wrong. Can't ever seem to get my speed up.
>>
>> Surely some of the astute among you _know_ The Perfect Method, and I hope
>> you will share?



From n6kr at elecraft.com  Mon Jun 12 13:03:25 2017
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2017 10:03:25 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Flash mob experiment, right now, 28.050 +/- 5?
In-Reply-To: <9ce20d8e-1477-fc55-1b7b-edd2cf2c5194@socket.net>
References: <001c01d2e38f$56859830$0390c890$@nwlink.com>
	<3FD0C67C-519C-457D-9ED6-A4841F0177B6@elecraft.com>
	<CAO0qdbLYSTCAcshN3GjcezgNf7jszRXNTtGnwLDSAmx=NO0m6Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<9ce20d8e-1477-fc55-1b7b-edd2cf2c5194@socket.net>
Message-ID: <EC929E5D-2B36-47C9-8F75-B3CE778012B8@elecraft.com>

Yes, but the point is to have them daily! Since this worked, there will be more :)

Wayne


> On Jun 12, 2017, at 8:46 AM, KENT TRIMBLE <k9ztv at socket.net> wrote:
> 
> A phenomenon appearing yearly at 1800Z on Field Day Saturday.
> 
> K9ZTV
> 




From doug at w7kf.com  Mon Jun 12 13:03:23 2017
From: doug at w7kf.com (Doug Smith)
Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2017 11:03:23 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] OT Learning Morse anew
In-Reply-To: <CAO0qdbJXUt4ciMQ+oA74jUXLkvTc1QwjtCFbevD1FidTQ4XVTQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABPLeqp2Tn01458VVGuQn5KPYgLKL7nqke-zPGEjfZ-ApNBNcQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<5032.593e6615.47c32.m0lep@hewett.org>
	<09cafb5e-a398-2256-042d-bc1194997cef@gmail.com>
	<CAFA9ujs+8--QE1NXKEyUkTisg-=5EDGXWMhO490qpWm2Bk9Geg@mail.gmail.com>
	<aded12da-1d7a-dcf4-6567-a9a9e604aa6f@gmail.com>
	<839a0f22-e38c-35d4-7200-415c338eb408@socket.net>
	<CAO0qdbJXUt4ciMQ+oA74jUXLkvTc1QwjtCFbevD1FidTQ4XVTQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2C8BE19C-3FF3-4A09-A74F-1A02FD3AC796@w7kf.com>

I agree about getting on the air.  And, about the value of the old Novice class in providing a ?safe harbor?.

When I got my novice ticket I went out and bought crystals for various frequencies on 80, 40 and 15 meters.  Frequencies were random and I had three on 80 meters ? 3713, 3723 and 3741.  

It turned out that there was a small bunch of us who, unbeknownst to each other, had crystals on 3723.  We mostly were brand new licensees and soon became fast friends.  There was a guy in Sacramento, a gal near Portland, another gal near Spokane and myself in Montana.  We hung out together on 3723 each night, sometimes for hours.  Over the weeks and months, we all built up T/R switches and went QSK.  We all graduated to bugs and then electronic keyers, mostly homebrew and TO keyers.

We had been holding forth on 3723 for 8 or 9 months and one night a guy with a general call-sign and who we didn?t know broke in on us and told us we were being rude by operating in the Novice band and that we should clear out of there if we wanted to run at 40 WPM.  I QRS?d for the guy and replied that we would love to move but we were rock-bound Novices and couldn?t move and signed my WN7DMA call sign.

It was a real eye opener because we had never really thought about speed.  We knew we were going faster that we used to, needed keyers  and whatnot but hadn?t really thought much about it.  We were just a bunch of Novices, having fun on the radio.

So, the point of this rambling?  

Try to find some friends on the air who like to chew the rag and get on the air with them as often as possible.  A group of similar speed operators who won?t need to ask someone to QRS or feel like they?re imposing on someone to operate slowly.  The value of that is huge.  Friendship, brotherhood, and shared goals make it easy to overcome the angst and build speed and competence.  And, it?s fun!

It is unfortunate the old Novice bands are gone but I do hear lots of guys higher in the CW segments, lumbering along at 10 WPM.  Sometimes I get on and work one of them because I like to see them doing what they?re doing.  It takes some courage to jump on 20 meters and call CQ at 10 WPM..

One more thing.  Once you can copy 15 WPM (or so) loose the pencil or keyboard.  Start copying in your head.  CW then becomes a conversation and your speed will start to inch upward.  One day you?ll be clipping along at 30 WPM and not even thinking about it.  You?ll just be chatting with a friend..

73 and see you on the air!

Doug, W7KF
http://www.w7kf.com <http://www.w7kf.com/>



> 
> On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 10:43 AM, KENT TRIMBLE <k9ztv at socket.net <mailto:k9ztv at socket.net>> wrote:
> 
>> I thoroughly agree with Kev about "getting on the air."
>> 
>> I teach two and sometimes three Morse Code classes every Saturday
>> morning.  The students all KNOW the code.  They can accurately copy 10 WPM
>> and above, and can send quite decently.  But no matter how much I
>> encourage, cajole, or "coddle," they resist my pleas to get "on the air"
>> for all kinds of reasons, but primarily two -- either no one comes back to
>> them or all they can find are speed demons who won't slow down.
>> 
>> The worse thing the FCC ever did for amateur radio (in my opinion) was the
>> elimination of the non-renewable Novice license with the concomitant doing
>> away of the Novice sub-bands.  Those were safe-harbors for neophytes to
>> find each other, work each other, and improve each other without feeling
>> intimidated.  The non-renewable aspect served to motivate those who were
>> desirous of deeper involvement in communications, and to give a graceful
>> exit to those who weren't.
>> 
>> All the computer programs and well-structured academies in-the-world are
>> simply no substitute for good old-fashioned one-on-one Morse Code work
>> between two eager and nervous operators.  That's how you learn best and how
>> you learn quickest. And an even greater dividend is that you learn about
>> propagation, procedures, tuning skills, how receivers work, signal paths,
>> solar effects, antenna fundamentals, and a host of other things that can't
>> be learned on a laptop, no matter how well the application is executed or
>> the content designed.
>> 
>> 73,
>> 
>> Kent  K9ZTV
>> 


From silverlocks at gmx.com  Mon Jun 12 13:05:48 2017
From: silverlocks at gmx.com (Emory Schley)
Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2017 19:05:48 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] K7QO code course
Message-ID: <trinity-0579cc85-3cb5-46ca-91da-83ff6a8a4734-1497287148090@3capp-mailcom-bs09>


From silverlocks at gmx.com  Mon Jun 12 13:16:59 2017
From: silverlocks at gmx.com (Emory Schley)
Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2017 19:16:59 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] K7QO Code Course
Message-ID: <trinity-be6726fa-4d4e-46ca-8839-749f8f65ebbe-1497287819346@3capp-mailcom-bs09>



My own favorite code course is the FREE one offered by the legendary Chuck Adams, K7QO. You can find it at?http://www.k7qo.net and it is chock-full of code practice material, even an entire novel when you get to the point where you can read code in your head.
?
Practice lessons, answer key, instructions and advice on how to use, and more from a fellow who can cruise along effortlessly at 50 wpm+ and you can't beat the price!
?
Emory Schley
N4LP
?

From scott.small at gmail.com  Mon Jun 12 14:08:30 2017
From: scott.small at gmail.com (Tox)
Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2017 11:08:30 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] On relearning morse
Message-ID: <CADkB6UpB+yJ4wAaei_ZavfSW5QtpJmLuC6JzKwQQ_7ARqyQPkA@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks to folks for posting what's worked for them in the past. I met bare
minimum accuracy and speed to get my license in ~2001, then never used it.
Now interested in trying to relearn it. Can't find my MFJ trainer (which is
how I passed the test the first time - driving from portland to san jose,
cramming with that trainer on I5 on the way home from a friends wedding).

Just ordered a KX3 to replace the FT-817 that was stolen last year, and
hoping to get it in time for Field Day.

Tentatively signed up for cwops at the end of the summer, but not clear I
can carve out the 30-45 min/day to go with it. We'll see.

Glad to read folks observations, in any case.

Hope to eventually be able to catch you on the air,
AD6YT

-- 
Scott Small

From k9ztv at socket.net  Mon Jun 12 14:17:34 2017
From: k9ztv at socket.net (KENT TRIMBLE)
Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2017 13:17:34 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Flash mob experiment, right now, 28.050 +/- 5?
In-Reply-To: <EC929E5D-2B36-47C9-8F75-B3CE778012B8@elecraft.com>
References: <001c01d2e38f$56859830$0390c890$@nwlink.com>
	<3FD0C67C-519C-457D-9ED6-A4841F0177B6@elecraft.com>
	<CAO0qdbLYSTCAcshN3GjcezgNf7jszRXNTtGnwLDSAmx=NO0m6Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<9ce20d8e-1477-fc55-1b7b-edd2cf2c5194@socket.net>
	<EC929E5D-2B36-47C9-8F75-B3CE778012B8@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <b12847bf-671e-0fd1-4d1f-b31e386df05e@socket.net>

Clearly propagation was regional.  I only heard two or three call signs, 
none complete enough for a contact.  All were Midwest stations.

My 100 watts and wire antenna netted no returns, but Reverse Beacon 
showed my CQs consistently strong toward the East Coast.

What power and antenna were you running?

Kent



On 6/12/2017 12:03 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
> Yes, but the point is to have them daily! Since this worked, there will be more :)
>
> Wayne
>
>
>> On Jun 12, 2017, at 8:46 AM, KENT TRIMBLE <k9ztv at socket.net> wrote:
>>
>> A phenomenon appearing yearly at 1800Z on Field Day Saturday.
>>
>> K9ZTV
>>
>
>
>
>
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From k9ztv at socket.net  Mon Jun 12 14:24:02 2017
From: k9ztv at socket.net (KENT TRIMBLE)
Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2017 13:24:02 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] OT Learning Morse anew
In-Reply-To: <2C8BE19C-3FF3-4A09-A74F-1A02FD3AC796@w7kf.com>
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Doug . . .

This is a super-great story!

You need to send it to QST for its "letters to the editor" page.

73,

Kent  K9ZTV



On 6/12/2017 12:03 PM, Doug Smith wrote:
> I agree about getting on the air.  And, about the value of the old Novice class in providing a ?safe harbor?.
>
> When I got my novice ticket I went out and bought crystals for various frequencies on 80, 40 and 15 meters.  Frequencies were random and I had three on 80 meters ? 3713, 3723 and 3741.
>
> It turned out that there was a small bunch of us who, unbeknownst to each other, had crystals on 3723.  We mostly were brand new licensees and soon became fast friends.  There was a guy in Sacramento, a gal near Portland, another gal near Spokane and myself in Montana.  We hung out together on 3723 each night, sometimes for hours.  Over the weeks and months, we all built up T/R switches and went QSK.  We all graduated to bugs and then electronic keyers, mostly homebrew and TO keyers.
>
> We had been holding forth on 3723 for 8 or 9 months and one night a guy with a general call-sign and who we didn?t know broke in on us and told us we were being rude by operating in the Novice band and that we should clear out of there if we wanted to run at 40 WPM.  I QRS?d for the guy and replied that we would love to move but we were rock-bound Novices and couldn?t move and signed my WN7DMA call sign.
>
> It was a real eye opener because we had never really thought about speed.  We knew we were going faster that we used to, needed keyers  and whatnot but hadn?t really thought much about it.  We were just a bunch of Novices, having fun on the radio.
>
> So, the point of this rambling?
>
> Try to find some friends on the air who like to chew the rag and get on the air with them as often as possible.  A group of similar speed operators who won?t need to ask someone to QRS or feel like they?re imposing on someone to operate slowly.  The value of that is huge.  Friendship, brotherhood, and shared goals make it easy to overcome the angst and build speed and competence.  And, it?s fun!
>
> It is unfortunate the old Novice bands are gone but I do hear lots of guys higher in the CW segments, lumbering along at 10 WPM.  Sometimes I get on and work one of them because I like to see them doing what they?re doing.  It takes some courage to jump on 20 meters and call CQ at 10 WPM..
>
> One more thing.  Once you can copy 15 WPM (or so) loose the pencil or keyboard.  Start copying in your head.  CW then becomes a conversation and your speed will start to inch upward.  One day you?ll be clipping along at 30 WPM and not even thinking about it.  You?ll just be chatting with a friend..
>
> 73 and see you on the air!
>
> Doug, W7KF
> http://www.w7kf.com <http://www.w7kf.com/>
>
>
>
>> On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 10:43 AM, KENT TRIMBLE <k9ztv at socket.net <mailto:k9ztv at socket.net>> wrote:
>>
>>> I thoroughly agree with Kev about "getting on the air."
>>>
>>> I teach two and sometimes three Morse Code classes every Saturday
>>> morning.  The students all KNOW the code.  They can accurately copy 10 WPM
>>> and above, and can send quite decently.  But no matter how much I
>>> encourage, cajole, or "coddle," they resist my pleas to get "on the air"
>>> for all kinds of reasons, but primarily two -- either no one comes back to
>>> them or all they can find are speed demons who won't slow down.
>>>
>>> The worse thing the FCC ever did for amateur radio (in my opinion) was the
>>> elimination of the non-renewable Novice license with the concomitant doing
>>> away of the Novice sub-bands.  Those were safe-harbors for neophytes to
>>> find each other, work each other, and improve each other without feeling
>>> intimidated.  The non-renewable aspect served to motivate those who were
>>> desirous of deeper involvement in communications, and to give a graceful
>>> exit to those who weren't.
>>>
>>> All the computer programs and well-structured academies in-the-world are
>>> simply no substitute for good old-fashioned one-on-one Morse Code work
>>> between two eager and nervous operators.  That's how you learn best and how
>>> you learn quickest. And an even greater dividend is that you learn about
>>> propagation, procedures, tuning skills, how receivers work, signal paths,
>>> solar effects, antenna fundamentals, and a host of other things that can't
>>> be learned on a laptop, no matter how well the application is executed or
>>> the content designed.
>>>
>>> 73,
>>>
>>> Kent  K9ZTV
>>>
>


From k9ztv at socket.net  Mon Jun 12 14:30:45 2017
From: k9ztv at socket.net (KENT TRIMBLE)
Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2017 13:30:45 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] OT Learning Morse anew
In-Reply-To: <75b24db9-e978-3f07-4c59-c8caa482b7c7@fmeco.com>
References: <CABPLeqp2Tn01458VVGuQn5KPYgLKL7nqke-zPGEjfZ-ApNBNcQ@mail.gmail.com>
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One caveat, Fred . . .

Traffic handlers MUST copy on paper or on a word processor.

In my opinion, one is not a skilled telegrapher until one can copy in 
head and on paper with equal accuracy.

73,

Kent  K9ZTV



On 6/12/2017 11:59 AM, Fred Moore wrote:
> the moral... put down the pencil and paper.
>
> Fred Moore
>


From kevin at k4vd.net  Mon Jun 12 14:42:12 2017
From: kevin at k4vd.net (Kevin - K4VD)
Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2017 14:42:12 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] On relearning morse
In-Reply-To: <CADkB6UpB+yJ4wAaei_ZavfSW5QtpJmLuC6JzKwQQ_7ARqyQPkA@mail.gmail.com>
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On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 2:08 PM, Tox <scott.small at gmail.com> wrote:

> Just ordered a KX3 to replace the FT-817 that was stolen last year, and
> hoping to get it in time for Field Day.
>

?Let me be the first to say the potentially politically incorrect thing to
say... Between you and the thief, you're definitely getting the better deal.

Good luck on getting it in time. Our club, W4OWL, will be running 2A
swapping around four KX3s into service.? It's a 5-person club with 4 KX3s.
A husband and wife team share. Personally I'd tell her to get her own KX3
but they are still basically newlyweds.

What a day.

73,
Kev K4VD


?
?

From g8kbvdave at googlemail.com  Mon Jun 12 15:50:36 2017
From: g8kbvdave at googlemail.com (Dave B)
Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2017 20:50:36 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] mic
In-Reply-To: <mailman.91.1497228172.7807.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
References: <mailman.91.1497228172.7807.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID: <5e1b6b3d-4877-0141-08a5-4b21f5f1e66d@googlemail.com>

Some of those use what's called a "Bantam" jack plug for one function
(Mic or Can's, I forget which.)  Was very common in landline telecoms
and broadcast circles some time back.

Best bet, is to look on the David Clark website.  They are also quite
helpful if you contact them too.
http://www.davidclarkcompany.com/
http://www.davidclarkcompany.com/aviation/customer-service.php

But be quick, they have a company shutdown July 3rd to 7th (Cant think why!)

73.

Dave G0WBX.

From k6dgw at foothill.net  Mon Jun 12 17:20:07 2017
From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen)
Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2017 14:20:07 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] mic -David Clark aviation headsets
In-Reply-To: <5e1b6b3d-4877-0141-08a5-4b21f5f1e66d@googlemail.com>
References: <mailman.91.1497228172.7807.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
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Thanks to all for the all the info.  I have concluded that, should I 
ever find the DC headset in the garage, I'm going to leave it there.  I 
currently use a Heil Proset I got from Elecraft.  I get very good 
reports when I'm on SSB, which is only rarely, thanks in part to my K3's 
TXEQ.  It's not the most comfortable, possibly because I've compressed 
the pads with use. The David Clark probably is in the same condition 
given its use. When I decide I need a new headset, I'll probably check 
here, and if they're still made, get the CM-500 and try it.

Again, thanks for all the info

73,

Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

On 6/12/17 12:50 PM, Dave B via Elecraft wrote:
> Some of those use what's called a "Bantam" jack plug for one function
> (Mic or Can's, I forget which.)  Was very common in landline telecoms
> and broadcast circles some time back.
>
> Best bet, is to look on the David Clark website.  They are also quite
> helpful if you contact them too.
> http://www.davidclarkcompany.com/
> http://www.davidclarkcompany.com/aviation/customer-service.php
>
> But be quick, they have a company shutdown July 3rd to 7th (Cant think why!)
>
> 73.
>
> Dave G0WBX.
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From fcady at montana.edu  Mon Jun 12 17:44:47 2017
From: fcady at montana.edu (Cady, Fred)
Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2017 21:44:47 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] KE7X Macro Programming book updated for DE command
Message-ID: <CY4PR02MB3141CF97C5A00046F91DC8EBAFCD0@CY4PR02MB3141.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>

I've finished the update to include the Delay command in the Elecraft Macro Programming book now available at www.lulu.co<http://www.lulu.co>m.  Lulu has a 10% discount available today (BOOKSHIP17).

See http://www.ke7x.com/home/macro-programming for more details and what has been added for the delay command.

73,

Fred KE7X

From margaret at elecraft.com  Mon Jun 12 18:20:34 2017
From: margaret at elecraft.com (Margaret Wold)
Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2017 15:20:34 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] Flash mob experiment, right now, 28.050 +/- 5?
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References: <6884D877-9F84-4E07-9E72-A00403D162AD@elecraft.com>
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That's pretty cool!
mwold

<http:///elecraft.com>

On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 2:12 PM, Charles Powell doctorcwp at yahoo.com [KX3] <
KX3-noreply at yahoogroups.com> wrote:

>
>
> Just got a chance to turn on the radio and went to 10 meters (2110 UTC).
> I?m listening to W1AW on 28.0675 at S7 with very little QSB.  Granted they
> have a lot of power, but we don?t need no stinking S7!
>
> 72/73,
>
> Charles  - NK8O
>
> On Jun 12, 2017, at 09:47, Wayne Burdick n6kr at elecraft.com [KX3] <
> KX3-noreply at yahoogroups.com> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> I?m hearing CW beacons from all over the place on 10 meters right now.
> (Supposedly some multi-hop activity on 6 meters, too.)
>
> If you?re awake and would like to participate in a 10 meter ?flash mob?
> experiment, please join me on 28.050 +/- 5 kHz. Initially, callsigns ending
> in A-L listen, M-Z call CQ (myself included).
>
> Keep in mind this is an experiment. No rules :)
>
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR
>
>
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From ron at cobi.biz  Mon Jun 12 19:33:28 2017
From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire)
Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2017 16:33:28 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] OT Learning Morse anew
In-Reply-To: <5198b2bf-3c88-e9b6-4576-b9952576eba6@socket.net>
References: <CABPLeqp2Tn01458VVGuQn5KPYgLKL7nqke-zPGEjfZ-ApNBNcQ@mail.gmail.com>	<5032.593e6615.47c32.m0lep@hewett.org>	<75b24db9-e978-3f07-4c59-c8caa482b7c7@fmeco.com>
	<5198b2bf-3c88-e9b6-4576-b9952576eba6@socket.net>
Message-ID: <000501d2e3d4$4bcf89b0$e36e9d10$@biz>

In military and commercial brass pounding in the USA, we were limited to
something between 13 and 20 wpm, usually closer to 13, because long studies
demonstrated that slower is faster because of fewer mistakes copying every
letter correctly on a keyboard or paper. And hearing whole "words" was a
path to disaster if one was copying five letter code groups. 

If I was caught trying to run an Army CW net above about 15 wpm I'd likely
end up on KP for a month. (KP = kitchen police: cleaning kitchens, peeling
potatoes, etc.) The object was to ensure that everyone on the circuit could
copy perfectly the first time. 

In the "day" some commercial point-to-point circuits required the operators
use the "company key" provided - a bug with the weights welded on for about
15 wpm just to keep the speeds down for faster message handling.  

I've seen commercial ship/shore traffic running very slow due to a shipboard
operator who was not proficient at CW. The shore station had to run equally
slow, no matter how painful. 

But Amateur Radio is a whole different world with different skills being
most useful, skills such as head copy at 20 or 30 wpm. I enjoy "reading the
mail" on CW while puttering around the shack, just as if listening to a
voice transmission. And many Hams enjoy constantly pushing the envelope on
speed just for the fun of it. Ham radio is, after all, a Hobby. If the other
station copies the name as Don, not Ron, and the QTH as Forest Lawn (a
cemetery in Los Angeles) and not Forest Grove (a town in Oregon), it's
easily corrected on the next transmission.  

73, Ron AC7AC

-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net
[mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of KENT TRIMBLE
Sent: Monday, June 12, 2017 11:31 AM
To: fred at fmeco.com; elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT Learning Morse anew

One caveat, Fred . . .

Traffic handlers MUST copy on paper or on a word processor.

In my opinion, one is not a skilled telegrapher until one can copy in head
and on paper with equal accuracy.

73,

Kent  K9ZTV



On 6/12/2017 11:59 AM, Fred Moore wrote:
> the moral... put down the pencil and paper.
>
> Fred Moore
>


From eric at elecraft.com  Mon Jun 12 19:50:55 2017
From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft)
Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2017 16:50:55 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] mic
In-Reply-To: <1854169774.7324314.1497198690311@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <15c950530f1-15a0-5798@webprd-a100.mail.aol.com>
	<7021536f-5934-57c2-9c65-50b5633caaff@montac.com>
	<5eeffa06-185c-47cc-04ac-787fd8367f7d@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<5dedcf4d-175f-6809-b840-5208e6df8c16@montac.com>
	<1854169774.7324314.1497198690311@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <61494001-24fa-7410-3622-5caf1183388e@elecraft.com>

Folks, at 41 postings this thread is well past the normal list guidelines max  
of10-15 posts.

Let's end it for now before someone gets hurt hitting their delete key.. ;-)

73,
Eric
List moderator
/elecraft.com/



From cautery at montac.com  Mon Jun 12 20:05:42 2017
From: cautery at montac.com (Clay Autery)
Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2017 19:05:42 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] OT Learning Morse anew
In-Reply-To: <000501d2e3d4$4bcf89b0$e36e9d10$@biz>
References: <CABPLeqp2Tn01458VVGuQn5KPYgLKL7nqke-zPGEjfZ-ApNBNcQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<5032.593e6615.47c32.m0lep@hewett.org>
	<75b24db9-e978-3f07-4c59-c8caa482b7c7@fmeco.com>
	<5198b2bf-3c88-e9b6-4576-b9952576eba6@socket.net>
	<000501d2e3d4$4bcf89b0$e36e9d10$@biz>
Message-ID: <2092bfd9-da52-7f31-d86f-12ab0c8d37fa@montac.com>

Looking forward to starting the academy in the fall.  :)

______________________
Clay Autery, KY5G

On 6/12/2017 6:33 PM, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote
> But Amateur Radio is a whole different world with different skills being
> most useful, skills such as head copy at 20 or 30 wpm. I enjoy "reading the
> mail" on CW while puttering around the shack, just as if listening to a
> voice transmission. And many Hams enjoy constantly pushing the envelope on
> speed just for the fun of it. Ham radio is, after all, a Hobby. If the other
> station copies the name as Don, not Ron, and the QTH as Forest Lawn (a
> cemetery in Los Angeles) and not Forest Grove (a town in Oregon), it's
> easily corrected on the next transmission.  
>
> 73, Ron AC7AC


From w2ljqrp at gmail.com  Mon Jun 12 20:54:29 2017
From: w2ljqrp at gmail.com (Larry Makoski)
Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2017 20:54:29 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] June NAQCC Sprint
Message-ID: <CALaVG9eXnrQjssWgPUD5hSs1pFOMyaw5YgEwKzTGT-8o+h7jHg@mail.gmail.com>

The June NAQCC sprint is this coming Tuesday evening local time (June 13th,
EDT - 8:30-10:30PM, CDT - 7:30-9:30PM, MDT - 6:30-8:30PM, PDT -
5:30-7:30PM),
which translates as Wednesaday,June 14th, 0030 to 0230Z in all cases.

For all the "official" information, please go to:

http://naqcc.info/sprint/sprint201706.html

There you will find all the details as to time, frequencies and other
important
information.

Certificates: SWA (simple wire antennas) certificates by call area, VE and
DX
for 1st, 2nd and 3rd place finishers (New!). A Certificate for top score in
the
GAIN antenna category.

Prizes: Too many to list!! - check out the prizes page on our website.

This is a monthly event that caters to the CW veteran, the CW newcomer,
straight
key and bug fans. All are welcome to participate (this includes QRO); but
you
must use QRP power levels to compete for awards.

If you've been hesitant to join in our sprints because you hear other
sprints
running at breakneck speeds, have no fear. Our sprints are geared to the
newcomer to CW and/or contesting. Virtually everyone including the many
veteran
contesters who regularly enter our sprints will slow down to YOUR speed to
help
you make your contacts.

If you are not already a member of NAQCC... membership is FREE! Now is your
chance to join the largest QRP CW Club in the world!! We currently have
7100+
members in: All 50 States - 9 VE Provinces - 100 Countries. Sign up on the
NAQCC website today (http://naqcc.info/) and receive a handsome certificate,
with your membership number on it, which is good for life.

Come join us and have a real good time!


72/73 de Larry W2LJ
NAQCC #35

for NAQCC
http://naqcc.info/

From rpfjeld at outlook.com  Mon Jun 12 22:34:47 2017
From: rpfjeld at outlook.com (Richard Fjeld)
Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2017 02:34:47 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] OT Learning Morse anew
In-Reply-To: <000501d2e3d4$4bcf89b0$e36e9d10$@biz>
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The guys I looked up to were the radio ops on ship.  They sat at a typewriter and had to type perfectly as they copied perfectly.

Rich, n0ce


From: Ron D'Eau Claire<mailto:ron at cobi.biz>
Sent: Monday, June 12, 2017 6:34 PM
To: 'KENT TRIMBLE'<mailto:k9ztv at socket.net>; fred at fmeco.com<mailto:fred at fmeco.com>; elecraft at mailman.qth.net<mailto:elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT Learning Morse anew

In military and commercial brass pounding in the USA, we were limited to
something between 13 and 20 wpm, usually closer to 13, because long studies
demonstrated that slower is faster because of fewer mistakes copying every
letter correctly on a keyboard or paper. And hearing whole "words" was a
path to disaster if one was copying five letter code groups.

If I was caught trying to run an Army CW net above about 15 wpm I'd likely
end up on KP for a month. (KP = kitchen police: cleaning kitchens, peeling
potatoes, etc.) The object was to ensure that everyone on the circuit could
copy perfectly the first time.

In the "day" some commercial point-to-point circuits required the operators
use the "company key" provided - a bug with the weights welded on for about
15 wpm just to keep the speeds down for faster message handling.

I've seen commercial ship/shore traffic running very slow due to a shipboard
operator who was not proficient at CW. The shore station had to run equally
slow, no matter how painful.

But Amateur Radio is a whole different world with different skills being
most useful, skills such as head copy at 20 or 30 wpm. I enjoy "reading the
mail" on CW while puttering around the shack, just as if listening to a
voice transmission. And many Hams enjoy constantly pushing the envelope on
speed just for the fun of it. Ham radio is, after all, a Hobby. If the other
station copies the name as Don, not Ron, and the QTH as Forest Lawn (a
cemetery in Los Angeles) and not Forest Grove (a town in Oregon), it's
easily corrected on the next transmission.

73, Ron AC7AC

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Sent: Monday, June 12, 2017 11:31 AM
To: fred at fmeco.com; elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT Learning Morse anew

One caveat, Fred . . .

Traffic handlers MUST copy on paper or on a word processor.

In my opinion, one is not a skilled telegrapher until one can copy in head
and on paper with equal accuracy.

73,

Kent  K9ZTV



On 6/12/2017 11:59 AM, Fred Moore wrote:
> the moral... put down the pencil and paper.
>
> Fred Moore
>

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From doug at w7kf.com  Tue Jun 13 00:14:04 2017
From: doug at w7kf.com (Doug Smith)
Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2017 22:14:04 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] OT Learning Morse anew
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I was one of the last Radio Officers to sail an all CW ship.  It was the SS Tampa Bay, call sign KNJA.  We worked our way up and down the South American coasts from ports in the US gulf coast. 

I mainly worked WLO on 16 and 22 MHz. We typically hummed along around 30 WPM due to the requirement for perfect copy in both directions. I once made a mistake -- spelled a guys name wrong by one letter (Johnson vs. Johnsen or some such thing) and I really caught hell from The Old Man. That didn't happen again!

One day I was just doing a poor job of sending and had to keep correcting myself. After all the traffic was sent I apologized to the shore station op. He said, "Are you kidding? You have the best fist I've copied all day." Nice guy, made me feel much better about my sloppy sending. I have little doubt he was a Ham.  

You can see a pic of a typical shipboard radio room of that era at:
  http://www.w7kf.com/Articles/Rigs/ITTMackay3020A.html

Fond memories...

73,
Doug, W7KF


> On Jun 12, 2017, at 5:33 PM, Ron D'Eau Claire <ron at cobi.biz> wrote:
> 
> I've seen commercial ship/shore traffic running very slow due to a shipboard
> operator who was not proficient at CW. The shore station had to run equally
> slow, no matter how painful.


From Gunfighter26 at yahoo.com  Tue Jun 13 01:11:11 2017
From: Gunfighter26 at yahoo.com (Brad J. Butler)
Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2017 22:11:11 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] MH3 rattle?
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Thanks, Chuck.  I took mine apart and it looks like the cause is the small
plastic donut (with foam wrapped around it) that surrounds the wire between
the circuit board and mic.  I think it had enough room to wiggle around.
Once reassembled, the rattling went away, as I suspect the wire arrangement
no longer allows for it to bounce around on the inside.

-Brad Butler
W6BJB/JS6TQS

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Mine doesn't rattle. It comes apart fairly easily to check why.



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From hemicuda321 at hotmail.com  Tue Jun 13 07:58:13 2017
From: hemicuda321 at hotmail.com (Evan brendel)
Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2017 11:58:13 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Kx2
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Hello all. I have a kx2 I bought in April. Haven't used it much and I'm wanting to buy more parts for my harley. I'm going to sell the kx2 and figure I'd list it here first. I ordered it new and I am the original owner and have all paperwork and boxes. Comes with 2 of the factory kxbt2 battery's and the charger, kxat2-f tuner, hand mic, super antenna mo1dxr 10-80 meter kit, around 25 foot coax, and a alpha moto 6-40 meter mobile antenna if desired. I'm asking 1000 plus shipping for all, and it's all in good shape. I would be happy to send any pictures or answer any questions. I am located in Cairo Missouri.

Thanks,
Evan Brendel
Kc0ntc.

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From nb8f at nb8f.com  Tue Jun 13 10:17:38 2017
From: nb8f at nb8f.com (Andrew Holman)
Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2017 10:17:38 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Frustration with Elecraft
Message-ID: <CAMSnVtjD2mFkXSksssco+zCmT2eMQweLL2jNLURtQvSdupOLBg@mail.gmail.com>

I want to share a couple things that have happened over the last couple
weeks for transparency, this is not to "slam" Elecraft in anyway, but what
I am hoping is a call for improvement on their end.

I have been a Flex user for about a year and have only been a ham for about
2 years.  Most of the guys/gals in my club use Elecraft K3 or K3S
transceivers, while I liked the Flex I knew that I would have a wide range
of support for Elecraft from the local club.

Before Dayton, in order to replace my FT-857D I decided to buy a KX2 for
Field Day.  I purchased and waited for it to ship, which took about 8 days
(approximately).  I did not have it in time for Dayton, which I was OK
with. When asked if I could take advantage of any Dayton deals, I was told
"No".  OK, no problem.

When I went to Hamvention this year, I asked someone at the booth to "take
my money" and convince me to buy an Elecraft radio.  Depending on how you
look at the situation, I can see both sides of this.  Some may say
"Elecraft doesn't want to take your money, the rig speaks for itself!"
others may say "What fools, the guy was willing to buy your radio!"  For me
I was a little bummed that someone didn't feel the need to really sell me
on the radio (they barely spoke to me) someone who specifically asked them
to talk them away from Flex.

A few days after Dayton I get my KX2 and begin using it.  I am mostly a CW
op and noticed that after a while the radio would "stick" on CW.  It would
let out long tones etc., I did not see the error to start, but after a day
or so I saw a temp warning.  I reached out to Elecraft, they said they
would fix the radio anytime I sent it back.  I asked if I could wait until
after Field Day since this was purchased for that specific reason.  They
were more than happy to oblige.

During this time I decided I was going to buy a K3S. I sold my Flex,
Maestro, FT-857D etc., and purchased the K3S kit and P3 Kit.  Some HAM's
from the club and I put the radio together but it wouldn't work properly.
The RF/SQL Pot just was not working.  We tried all kinds of things to fix
this, to no avail.

I reached out to Elecraft the next day, advised them that now, both of my
radios are having problems.  I spoke to David who was extremely helpful.
After a good hour and ripping the thing apart again, we came to the
conclusion that one of the pots had a missing solder.

During the call I was advised that my new KX2 was going to be shipped and
that the old one could be put in the box with a return label at no cost to
me.  This was on a Wednesday.  I was told the new radio was being broken in
and would be shipped on Thursday.  I go about soldering the bad pot for
RF/SQL and the K3S is back in business. Good for me, bad QA I suppose on
the Elecraft side as this is not something you assemble in the kit. I
believe the label on the bag said "Tested", if that was the case, I am not
sure how since that pot clearly did not work.

Days go by and it is now Monday.  I reach out to Elecraft to see if my KX2
had shipped as I had not seen a tracking number.  The response was a
bummer.  The KX2 didn't ship and they need to see if there is a hold on
KX2's being shipped.  I still replied back nicely saying, I hope not as it
was being checked last week for shipment.  A little communication goes a
looong way.

K3S is working, KX2 still needs to be replaced, but I am thousands into the
Elecraft brand and both radios have had problems with quality control.

I am NOT posting this to be a slam at Elecraft as I know they have a great
reputation for quality radios and customer service. For me, in particular,
other than David, I guess I am the abnormal one of the bunch in that I had
two radios that were defective and Customer Service (as it pertains to
shipping, satisfaction etc.,) has been mediocre.

I sure hope things take a better turn for me and for those who purchase
after me.

To help others diagnose potential issues with their radio I am posting the
videos here for review, which have been seen by Elecraft.

KX2 - CW Temperature
https://www.youtube.com/edit?o=U&video_id=6r15pqwk8OQ

K3S - RF/SQL
https://www.youtube.com/edit?o=U&video_id=zeDqqZSKcFA

Picture (not great) of the missing solder.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/hymwomrsn9byfll/IMG_20170607_133334426.jpg?dl=0

NOTE: Notice I didn't even complain about the artifact on the LCD screen
during boot, which is yet a whole separate issue, which probably should be
fixed as well.


Thanks and Good DX!

Andy / NB8F

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Andy Holman

From nb8f at nb8f.com  Tue Jun 13 10:24:25 2017
From: nb8f at nb8f.com (NB8F)
Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2017 07:24:25 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] Frustration with Elecraft
In-Reply-To: <CAMSnVtjD2mFkXSksssco+zCmT2eMQweLL2jNLURtQvSdupOLBg@mail.gmail.com>
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Just to update the links for the videos as I noticed they were incorrect.

K3S - RF/SQL Issue
https://youtu.be/zeDqqZSKcFA

KX2 - Temp issue
https://youtu.be/6r15pqwk8OQ



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From n6kr at elecraft.com  Tue Jun 13 11:09:25 2017
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2017 08:09:25 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Frustration with Elecraft
In-Reply-To: <CAMSnVtjD2mFkXSksssco+zCmT2eMQweLL2jNLURtQvSdupOLBg@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <89D1A3CF-C1DF-47A1-A1DA-FF1AEA5C6D9E@elecraft.com>

Hi Andrew,

I?m the CTO of Elecraft and principal designer of our transceivers. I?ll try to address your issues. 

During the few weeks since Dayton, about half of our customer support staff has been on unexpected leave (parent illness, etc.). We brought a very senior tech to help, but it?s been a bit of a fire drill. We also have two of our sales staff on leave, which has resulted in unexpectedly long response times to phone calls and email. 

This situation is of course temporary. Meanwhile, I?m even taking some of the overload myself, as you can see :) 


> Before Dayton, in order to replace my FT-857D I decided to buy a KX2 for
> Field Day.  I purchased and waited for it to ship, which took about 8 days
> (approximately).  I did not have it in time for Dayton, which I was OK
> with. When asked if I could take advantage of any Dayton deals, I was told
> "No".  OK, no problem.

Usually the radios ship more quickly than this, but we do take some with us to Dayton each year for walk-up sales. Since you fell into a certifiable gray area with respect to Dayton timing, we should have credited you back the show special on your KX2. I?ll make sure this happens.


> When I went to Hamvention this year, I asked someone at the booth to "take
> my money" and convince me to buy an Elecraft radio....
> I was a little bummed that someone didn't feel the need to really sell me
> on the radio (they barely spoke to me)....

Wow. You must have come to the booth when everyone on our regular sales staff, including myself, were on a lunch break. I did in-depth demonstrations of the KX2 and KX3 hundreds of times, even to the point of taking the KX2 outside (twice) to do on-air demos using the radio hand-held with a whip. 

I?ll make sure that our regular crew and temporary subs don't miss such an opportunity again. Normally we engage potential customers to the point that, by the time they?ve decided yea or nay, we know their favorite bands, modes, other hobbies, and the names of their pets.


> A few days after Dayton I get my KX2 and begin using it.  I am mostly a CW
> op and noticed that after a while the radio would "stick" on CW.  It would
> let out long tones etc., I did not see the error to start, but after a day
> or so I saw a temp warning.  I reached out to Elecraft, they said they
> would fix the radio anytime I sent it back.  I asked if I could wait until
> after Field Day since this was purchased for that specific reason.  They
> were more than happy to oblige.

Well, bummer. It?s very rare for any of our radios to have an out-of-the-box issue like this. Sorry you?ve encountered such a problem right before FD!


> During this time I decided I was going to buy a K3S. ...RF/SQL Pot just was not working.  We tried all kinds of things to fix
> this, to no avail....came to the conclusion that one of the pots had a missing solder.

Also extremely rare. I?ll talk to CS and get the info back to our manufacturing department. They do 100% visual inspection with very sophisticated optical gear, but apparently they missed this one.


> I go about soldering the bad pot for RF/SQL and the K3S is back in business....

Thank you very much for correcting this problem yourself. We greatly appreciate it when customers take our ?hands-on...? slogan literally.


> Days go by and it is now Monday.  I reach out to Elecraft to see if my KX2
> had shipped as I had not seen a tracking number.  The response was a
> bummer.  The KX2 didn't ship and they need to see if there is a hold on
> KX2's being shipped.  

I?ll be investigating this as soon as I finish typing. As I mentioned above, there was a bit of a personnel shortage recently.


> K3S is working, KX2 still needs to be replaced, but I am thousands into the
> Elecraft brand and both radios have had problems with quality control.

Fortunately rare. But thank you for bringing it to my attention.


> NOTE: Notice I didn't even complain about the artifact on the LCD screen
> during boot, which is yet a whole separate issue, which probably should be
> fixed as well.

In theory, the LCD controller IC powers up in an unknown (scrambled) state. But some of the controllers seem to reset to all segments off, while others don?t. This may be something we can fix in firmware, and it?s on my task list.

Thanks for your patience, and let me know if anything further comes up.

73,
Wayne, N6KR
CTO, Elecraft, Inc.





From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Tue Jun 13 11:17:49 2017
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2017 10:17:49 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Frustration with Elecraft
In-Reply-To: <CAMSnVtjD2mFkXSksssco+zCmT2eMQweLL2jNLURtQvSdupOLBg@mail.gmail.com>
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I'm not aware of any electronics company that doesn't, from time to 
time, sell and ship a product with faults.  For what it's worth, that's 
why the company provides a warranty.  Otherwise, no warranty would be 
needed if they are "perfect" 100% of the time. Won't happen!

Seems some folks are just luckier than others in that they always get 
the ones which are defective.  Bummer!  The best part is that the 
company is responsive and in a very timely manner as many are not.

I am very pleased with the build quality, physical quality / appearance 
and performance of my K3S, which is now on the desk for almost 2 years.  
One fellows KX3 at Field Day two years ago inspired me to look at and 
move to Elecraft.  Glad I did and haven't looked back, nor at any other 
brand / model.

73

Bob, K4TAX

S/N 10163




From w4rks73 at gmail.com  Tue Jun 13 11:23:35 2017
From: w4rks73 at gmail.com (James Wilson)
Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2017 10:23:35 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft]  Frustration with Elecraft
Message-ID: <CAJNRSCbHDu_0DvHT36fjkoMmVga5mUoYTNe9u7_a3Otz+us39A@mail.gmail.com>

?I ordered  my first K3-100 in 2009 from the factory
( When I decided to buy it, I was eager to have it)    :-)?

Since then, I have assembled kits for another K3-100, two P3's,
two KPA500's, a KAT500 and a signal generator boards.

All assembled without a hitch. None. Zero. Nada.

Sorry about your experience. Mine has been perfection.

Jim - W4RKS

From nb8f at nb8f.com  Tue Jun 13 11:32:54 2017
From: nb8f at nb8f.com (NB8F)
Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2017 08:32:54 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] Frustration with Elecraft
In-Reply-To: <89D1A3CF-C1DF-47A1-A1DA-FF1AEA5C6D9E@elecraft.com>
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Message-ID: <1497367974426-7631703.post@n2.nabble.com>

Wayne,
Thank you for the response. My thought that this was all a rarity and I
appreciate you reaching out, I also felt this might be the best way (after
my existing tickets / emails), to get this highlighted.  Please keep me
posted on the progress, again, communication goes a long way.  As a Director
of Engineering myself, understand that things can be missed and I understand
the development / engineering process in which you work through.

Thanks again and I look forward to a long relationship with Elecraft.




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From buddy at brannan.name  Tue Jun 13 11:36:53 2017
From: buddy at brannan.name (Buddy Brannan)
Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2017 11:36:53 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Frustration with Elecraft
In-Reply-To: <89D1A3CF-C1DF-47A1-A1DA-FF1AEA5C6D9E@elecraft.com>
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	<89D1A3CF-C1DF-47A1-A1DA-FF1AEA5C6D9E@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <663CF907-C40A-46EE-BBBC-02DEE37A3A83@brannan.name>

Howdy Andy,

The response below, from an officer of the company and its chief product designer, is really what makes Elecraft stand head and shoulders above any other of the major manufacturers in the ham radio world...this response right here. 

You got a response from the CTO of the company. He and Eric, you know, "the other guy that isn't Wayne", are in close, direct, and personal contact with us, their customer base. 

Wayne took ownership of your problems. He didn't make excuses. He gave reasons and facts, he was polite, and he pledged to fix the problems with your equipment and your interactions. 

You can count on support like that from hre on out with all of your Elecraft gear. 

I've been an Elecraft owner since 2003, when I got my K2/100 through some interesting (and very special, to me anyway) circumstances. Have also owned a KX1, now belongs to a friend but kept my sanity through an international adoption and being locked in an apartment in Ukraine. Bought one of the first 500 KX3's back in 2012, to celebrate 25 years of ham radio. Any time I've had a problem, I've had a great community of support, not just from Elecraft, but from all the folks on this list. Problems have been pretty rare, by the way, but always got help with them. 

So, yeah, you've bought some radio gear, but you've bought a bunch more than that, if you ask me (which you didn't). And, once all the kinks get ironed out, you're going to have years and years of fun with this stuff, and no mistake. 

Vy 73,

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Mobile: 814-431-0962
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> On Jun 13, 2017, at 11:09 AM, Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Andrew,
> 
> I?m the CTO of Elecraft and principal designer of our transceivers. I?ll try to address your issues. 
> 
> During the few weeks since Dayton, about half of our customer support staff has been on unexpected leave (parent illness, etc.). We brought a very senior tech to help, but it?s been a bit of a fire drill. We also have two of our sales staff on leave, which has resulted in unexpectedly long response times to phone calls and email. 
> 
> This situation is of course temporary. Meanwhile, I?m even taking some of the overload myself, as you can see :) 
> 
> 
>> Before Dayton, in order to replace my FT-857D I decided to buy a KX2 for
>> Field Day.  I purchased and waited for it to ship, which took about 8 days
>> (approximately).  I did not have it in time for Dayton, which I was OK
>> with. When asked if I could take advantage of any Dayton deals, I was told
>> "No".  OK, no problem.
> 
> Usually the radios ship more quickly than this, but we do take some with us to Dayton each year for walk-up sales. Since you fell into a certifiable gray area with respect to Dayton timing, we should have credited you back the show special on your KX2. I?ll make sure this happens.
> 
> 
>> When I went to Hamvention this year, I asked someone at the booth to "take
>> my money" and convince me to buy an Elecraft radio....
>> I was a little bummed that someone didn't feel the need to really sell me
>> on the radio (they barely spoke to me)....
> 
> Wow. You must have come to the booth when everyone on our regular sales staff, including myself, were on a lunch break. I did in-depth demonstrations of the KX2 and KX3 hundreds of times, even to the point of taking the KX2 outside (twice) to do on-air demos using the radio hand-held with a whip. 
> 
> I?ll make sure that our regular crew and temporary subs don't miss such an opportunity again. Normally we engage potential customers to the point that, by the time they?ve decided yea or nay, we know their favorite bands, modes, other hobbies, and the names of their pets.
> 
> 
>> A few days after Dayton I get my KX2 and begin using it.  I am mostly a CW
>> op and noticed that after a while the radio would "stick" on CW.  It would
>> let out long tones etc., I did not see the error to start, but after a day
>> or so I saw a temp warning.  I reached out to Elecraft, they said they
>> would fix the radio anytime I sent it back.  I asked if I could wait until
>> after Field Day since this was purchased for that specific reason.  They
>> were more than happy to oblige.
> 
> Well, bummer. It?s very rare for any of our radios to have an out-of-the-box issue like this. Sorry you?ve encountered such a problem right before FD!
> 
> 
>> During this time I decided I was going to buy a K3S. ...RF/SQL Pot just was not working.  We tried all kinds of things to fix
>> this, to no avail....came to the conclusion that one of the pots had a missing solder.
> 
> Also extremely rare. I?ll talk to CS and get the info back to our manufacturing department. They do 100% visual inspection with very sophisticated optical gear, but apparently they missed this one.
> 
> 
>> I go about soldering the bad pot for RF/SQL and the K3S is back in business....
> 
> Thank you very much for correcting this problem yourself. We greatly appreciate it when customers take our ?hands-on...? slogan literally.
> 
> 
>> Days go by and it is now Monday.  I reach out to Elecraft to see if my KX2
>> had shipped as I had not seen a tracking number.  The response was a
>> bummer.  The KX2 didn't ship and they need to see if there is a hold on
>> KX2's being shipped.  
> 
> I?ll be investigating this as soon as I finish typing. As I mentioned above, there was a bit of a personnel shortage recently.
> 
> 
>> K3S is working, KX2 still needs to be replaced, but I am thousands into the
>> Elecraft brand and both radios have had problems with quality control.
> 
> Fortunately rare. But thank you for bringing it to my attention.
> 
> 
>> NOTE: Notice I didn't even complain about the artifact on the LCD screen
>> during boot, which is yet a whole separate issue, which probably should be
>> fixed as well.
> 
> In theory, the LCD controller IC powers up in an unknown (scrambled) state. But some of the controllers seem to reset to all segments off, while others don?t. This may be something we can fix in firmware, and it?s on my task list.
> 
> Thanks for your patience, and let me know if anything further comes up.
> 
> 73,
> Wayne, N6KR
> CTO, Elecraft, Inc.
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From n6kr at elecraft.com  Tue Jun 13 11:43:13 2017
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2017 08:43:13 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Frustration with Elecraft
In-Reply-To: <1497367974426-7631703.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <CAMSnVtjD2mFkXSksssco+zCmT2eMQweLL2jNLURtQvSdupOLBg@mail.gmail.com>
	<89D1A3CF-C1DF-47A1-A1DA-FF1AEA5C6D9E@elecraft.com>
	<1497367974426-7631703.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <3BE4A57B-AA6F-4131-ACC8-E85BA28DEEDA@elecraft.com>

Hi Andy,

Just checked with Mike in sales. Looks like your KX2 has shipped.

Have fun in Field Day--

Wayne
N6KR


> On Jun 13, 2017, at 8:32 AM, NB8F <nb8f at nb8f.com> wrote:
> 
> Wayne,
> Thank you for the response. My thought that this was all a rarity and I
> appreciate you reaching out, I also felt this might be the best way (after
> my existing tickets / emails), to get this highlighted.  Please keep me
> posted on the progress, again, communication goes a long way.  As a Director
> of Engineering myself, understand that things can be missed and I understand
> the development / engineering process in which you work through.
> 
> Thanks again and I look forward to a long relationship with Elecraft.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----
> NB8F - Andy
> Elecraft K3S / KX2




From g4gnx at g4gnx.com  Tue Jun 13 11:46:09 2017
From: g4gnx at g4gnx.com (G4GNX)
Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2017 16:46:09 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] Frustration with Elecraft
In-Reply-To: <89D1A3CF-C1DF-47A1-A1DA-FF1AEA5C6D9E@elecraft.com>
References: <CAMSnVtjD2mFkXSksssco+zCmT2eMQweLL2jNLURtQvSdupOLBg@mail.gmail.com>
	<89D1A3CF-C1DF-47A1-A1DA-FF1AEA5C6D9E@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <909B1A0524AC4655BE1D749A47F23228@G4GNXLaptop>

THIS is why I'm proud to own Elecraft equipment and will continue to do so.

73,

Alan. G4GNX

-----Original Message----- 
From: Wayne Burdick
Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2017 4:09 PM
To: Andrew Holman
Cc: Elecraft Reflector
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Frustration with Elecraft

Hi Andrew,

I?m the CTO of Elecraft and principal designer of our transceivers. I?ll try 
to address your issues:........................................ 


From nb8f at nb8f.com  Tue Jun 13 11:50:06 2017
From: nb8f at nb8f.com (NB8F)
Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2017 08:50:06 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] Frustration with Elecraft
In-Reply-To: <3BE4A57B-AA6F-4131-ACC8-E85BA28DEEDA@elecraft.com>
References: <CAMSnVtjD2mFkXSksssco+zCmT2eMQweLL2jNLURtQvSdupOLBg@mail.gmail.com>
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	<1497367974426-7631703.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<3BE4A57B-AA6F-4131-ACC8-E85BA28DEEDA@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <1497369006135-7631707.post@n2.nabble.com>

Wayne,

Thanks for the quick response and action!

I look forward to having a great field day.



-----
NB8F - Andy
Elecraft K3S / KX2
User since June 2017
Ham since March 2015
--
View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Frustration-with-Elecraft-tp7631698p7631707.html
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From crossd at gmail.com  Tue Jun 13 12:17:09 2017
From: crossd at gmail.com (Dan Cross)
Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2017 12:17:09 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Frustration with Elecraft
In-Reply-To: <909B1A0524AC4655BE1D749A47F23228@G4GNXLaptop>
References: <CAMSnVtjD2mFkXSksssco+zCmT2eMQweLL2jNLURtQvSdupOLBg@mail.gmail.com>
	<89D1A3CF-C1DF-47A1-A1DA-FF1AEA5C6D9E@elecraft.com>
	<909B1A0524AC4655BE1D749A47F23228@G4GNXLaptop>
Message-ID: <CAEoi9W7_EU5+XWcYxLor9anaxnVKdfri2Ljtj5t5G8b94HxCDw@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Jun 13, 2017 at 11:46 AM, G4GNX <g4gnx at g4gnx.com> wrote:

> THIS is why I'm proud to own Elecraft equipment and will continue to do so.
>

Here here! I just wanted to mention that I think it speaks well of both
Elecraft and the Elecraft community that someone can come onto the mailing
list, mention a problem and give some feedback, get a good solid response
from an officer of the company AND not get torn up in the process by a
heckling peanut gallery. So many times I see communities where folks will
take honest feedback as criticism and react poorly when that clearly wasn't
the intent; it's heartening to see that the Elecraft community is more
accepting of well-intentioned, well-written and honest feedback, and that
makes me proud and happy to be an Elecraft owner.  73,

        - Dan C.
          AC2OI

From eric at elecraft.com  Tue Jun 13 12:26:33 2017
From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft)
Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2017 09:26:33 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] OT Learning Morse anew
In-Reply-To: <8ED455FD-2A12-40FE-9B71-4C229BF2FFC0@w7kf.com>
References: <CABPLeqp2Tn01458VVGuQn5KPYgLKL7nqke-zPGEjfZ-ApNBNcQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<5032.593e6615.47c32.m0lep@hewett.org>
	<75b24db9-e978-3f07-4c59-c8caa482b7c7@fmeco.com>
	<5198b2bf-3c88-e9b6-4576-b9952576eba6@socket.net>
	<000501d2e3d4$4bcf89b0$e36e9d10$@biz>
	<8ED455FD-2A12-40FE-9B71-4C229BF2FFC0@w7kf.com>
Message-ID: <cd2ecfa4-f56c-8922-bee2-24ab7ead2278@elecraft.com>

In the interest of releiving email overload for our readers, lets close this OT 
thread at this time.   Its well past the single day posting limit.

73,
Eric
List Moderator
/elecraft.com/

On 6/12/2017 9:14 PM, Doug Smith wrote:
> I was one of the last Radio Officers to sail an all CW ship.  It was the SS Tampa Bay, call sign KNJA.  We worked our way up and down the South American coasts from ports in the US gulf coast.
>
> I mainly worked WLO on 16 and 22 MHz. We typically hummed along around 30 WPM due to the requirement for perfect copy in both directions. I once made a mistake -- spelled a guys name wrong by one letter (Johnson vs. Johnsen or some such thing) and I really caught hell from The Old Man. That didn't happen again!
>
> One day I was just doing a poor job of sending and had to keep correcting myself. After all the traffic was sent I apologized to the shore station op. He said, "Are you kidding? You have the best fist I've copied all day." Nice guy, made me feel much better about my sloppy sending. I have little doubt he was a Ham.
>
> You can see a pic of a typical shipboard radio room of that era at:
>    http://www.w7kf.com/Articles/Rigs/ITTMackay3020A.html
>
> Fond memories...
>
> 73,
> Doug, W7KF
>
>
>> On Jun 12, 2017, at 5:33 PM, Ron D'Eau Claire <ron at cobi.biz> wrote:
>>
>> I've seen commercial ship/shore traffic running very slow due to a shipboard
>> operator who was not proficient at CW. The shore station had to run equally
>> slow, no matter how painful.
> ______________________________________________________________
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> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
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From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Tue Jun 13 12:30:38 2017
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2017 09:30:38 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Frustration with Elecraft
In-Reply-To: <909B1A0524AC4655BE1D749A47F23228@G4GNXLaptop>
References: <CAMSnVtjD2mFkXSksssco+zCmT2eMQweLL2jNLURtQvSdupOLBg@mail.gmail.com>
	<89D1A3CF-C1DF-47A1-A1DA-FF1AEA5C6D9E@elecraft.com>
	<909B1A0524AC4655BE1D749A47F23228@G4GNXLaptop>
Message-ID: <cbf9c81a-24dc-d93d-c6a7-8d28e65ebd15@audiosystemsgroup.com>

Elecraft is 30 miles down the road from me, and many of those who work 
there are my neighbors (Elecraft also employs designers and support 
people who are not within driving distance).  In my 60+ years as a ham 
and working engineer, I've encountered NO other companies whose OWNERS 
monitor their email support reflector, UNDERSTAND the questions, 
comments, and ideas expressed there, and DO something positive in 
response. EVERY company and person makes mistakes or has bad days. What 
they do in response is a large part of what separates the great 
companies from the others.

Old timers can testify that one of the major JA radio companies (starts 
with a Y) took three models to correct AWFUL key clicks in their 
flagship (expensive) radio, and to get that fix, you had to sell the old 
one and buy the new one. And they didn't learn from it -- much later, 
very different designs of their flagship models (twice the cost of a 
K3S) had very bad clicks and took years to fix with a firmware update.  
And they didn't do that until I published a detailed analysis of ARRL 
Lab test data showing how bad they were. With that update, they're 
better, but still not great. But, thanks to limitations of the design, 
that's the best they can do without starting over. :)

73, Jim K9YC

On Tue,6/13/2017 8:46 AM, G4GNX wrote:
> THIS is why I'm proud to own Elecraft equipment and will continue to 
> do so.
>
> 73,
>
> Alan. G4GNX
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Wayne Burdick
> Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2017 4:09 PM
> To: Andrew Holman
> Cc: Elecraft Reflector
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Frustration with Elecraft
>
> Hi Andrew,
>
> I?m the CTO of Elecraft and principal designer of our transceivers. 
> I?ll try to address your issues:........................................

From jwsturges at gmail.com  Tue Jun 13 12:34:50 2017
From: jwsturges at gmail.com (Jim Sr Sturges)
Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2017 16:34:50 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] OT Learning Morse anew
In-Reply-To: <cd2ecfa4-f56c-8922-bee2-24ab7ead2278@elecraft.com>
References: <CABPLeqp2Tn01458VVGuQn5KPYgLKL7nqke-zPGEjfZ-ApNBNcQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<5032.593e6615.47c32.m0lep@hewett.org>
	<75b24db9-e978-3f07-4c59-c8caa482b7c7@fmeco.com>
	<5198b2bf-3c88-e9b6-4576-b9952576eba6@socket.net>
	<000501d2e3d4$4bcf89b0$e36e9d10$@biz>
	<8ED455FD-2A12-40FE-9B71-4C229BF2FFC0@w7kf.com>
	<cd2ecfa4-f56c-8922-bee2-24ab7ead2278@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <CABPLeqqn97hZVyTHHOxB1KYkPn8e6GvTRPGqJHGwp2nH9vagqQ@mail.gmail.com>

My apologies for opening what became an overwhelmingly nice, polite,
friendly, and educational thread for me and perhaps a few others. This is a
place where exposing ignorance is rewarded with gold-plated knowledge and
bonhomie. I'm not really sorry but good form dictates that response. My
replies here are SK.

73
On Tue, Jun 13, 2017 at 12:28 PM Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft <
eric at elecraft.com> wrote:

> In the interest of releiving email overload for our readers, lets close
> this OT
> thread at this time.   Its well past the single day posting limit.
>
> 73,
> Eric
> List Moderator
> /elecraft.com/
>
> On 6/12/2017 9:14 PM, Doug Smith wrote:
> > I was one of the last Radio Officers to sail an all CW ship.  It was the
> SS Tampa Bay, call sign KNJA.  We worked our way up and down the South
> American coasts from ports in the US gulf coast.
> >
> > I mainly worked WLO on 16 and 22 MHz. We typically hummed along around
> 30 WPM due to the requirement for perfect copy in both directions. I once
> made a mistake -- spelled a guys name wrong by one letter (Johnson vs.
> Johnsen or some such thing) and I really caught hell from The Old Man. That
> didn't happen again!
> >
> > One day I was just doing a poor job of sending and had to keep
> correcting myself. After all the traffic was sent I apologized to the shore
> station op. He said, "Are you kidding? You have the best fist I've copied
> all day." Nice guy, made me feel much better about my sloppy sending. I
> have little doubt he was a Ham.
> >
> > You can see a pic of a typical shipboard radio room of that era at:
> >    http://www.w7kf.com/Articles/Rigs/ITTMackay3020A.html
> >
> > Fond memories...
> >
> > 73,
> > Doug, W7KF
> >
> >
> >> On Jun 12, 2017, at 5:33 PM, Ron D'Eau Claire <ron at cobi.biz> wrote:
> >>
> >> I've seen commercial ship/shore traffic running very slow due to a
> shipboard
> >> operator who was not proficient at CW. The shore station had to run
> equally
> >> slow, no matter how painful.
> > ______________________________________________________________
> > Elecraft mailing list
> > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
> > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
> > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> >
> > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net
> > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
> > Message delivered to eric.swartz at elecraft.com
>
> ______________________________________________________________
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-- 
Jim Sturges, N3SZ
Amateur Radio operators do it with frequency.

From eric at elecraft.com  Tue Jun 13 12:38:06 2017
From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft)
Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2017 09:38:06 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] OT Learning Morse anew
In-Reply-To: <CABPLeqqn97hZVyTHHOxB1KYkPn8e6GvTRPGqJHGwp2nH9vagqQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABPLeqp2Tn01458VVGuQn5KPYgLKL7nqke-zPGEjfZ-ApNBNcQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<5032.593e6615.47c32.m0lep@hewett.org>
	<75b24db9-e978-3f07-4c59-c8caa482b7c7@fmeco.com>
	<5198b2bf-3c88-e9b6-4576-b9952576eba6@socket.net>
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Message-ID: <954d2e27-feba-52e3-450a-0e0f6f92e9d8@elecraft.com>

Hi Jim,

No need to apologize. All of the thread's posts are good info - We just try to 
keep the volume of responses to OT threads down to 5-10 to keep list email 
volume under control for our other readers.

73,
Eric
/elecraft.com/

On 6/13/2017 9:34 AM, Jim Sr Sturges wrote:
> My apologies for opening what became an overwhelmingly nice, polite, friendly, 
> and educational thread for me and perhaps a few others. This is a place where 
> exposing ignorance is rewarded with gold-plated knowledge and bonhomie. I'm 
> not really sorry but good form dictates that response. My replies here are SK.
>
> 73
> On Tue, Jun 13, 2017 at 12:28 PM Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft 
> <eric at elecraft.com <mailto:eric at elecraft.com>> wrote:
>
>     In the interest of releiving email overload for our readers, lets close
>     this OT
>     thread at this time.   Its well past the single day posting limit.
>
>     73,
>     Eric
>     List Moderator
>     /elecraft.com/ <http://elecraft.com/>
>
>     On 6/12/2017 9:14 PM, Doug Smith wrote:
>     > I was one of the last Radio Officers to sail an all CW ship.  It was the
>     SS Tampa Bay, call sign KNJA.  We worked our way up and down the South
>     American coasts from ports in the US gulf coast.
>     >
>     > I mainly worked WLO on 16 and 22 MHz. We typically hummed along around
>     30 WPM due to the requirement for perfect copy in both directions. I once
>     made a mistake -- spelled a guys name wrong by one letter (Johnson vs.
>     Johnsen or some such thing) and I really caught hell from The Old Man.
>     That didn't happen again!
>     >
>     > One day I was just doing a poor job of sending and had to keep
>     correcting myself. After all the traffic was sent I apologized to the
>     shore station op. He said, "Are you kidding? You have the best fist I've
>     copied all day." Nice guy, made me feel much better about my sloppy
>     sending. I have little doubt he was a Ham.
>     >
>     > You can see a pic of a typical shipboard radio room of that era at:
>     > http://www.w7kf.com/Articles/Rigs/ITTMackay3020A.html
>     >
>     > Fond memories...
>     >
>     > 73,
>     > Doug, W7KF
>     >
>     >
>     >> On Jun 12, 2017, at 5:33 PM, Ron D'Eau Claire <ron at cobi.biz
>     <mailto:ron at cobi.biz>> wrote:
>     >>
>     >> I've seen commercial ship/shore traffic running very slow due to a
>     shipboard
>     >> operator who was not proficient at CW. The shore station had to run equally
>     >> slow, no matter how painful.
>     > ______________________________________________________________
>     > Elecraft mailing list
>     > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
>     > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
>     > Post: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net <mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
>     >
>     > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net
>     > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
>     > Message delivered to eric.swartz at elecraft.com
>     <mailto:eric.swartz at elecraft.com>
>
>     ______________________________________________________________
>     Elecraft mailing list
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>
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>
> -- 
> Jim Sturges, N3SZ
> Amateur Radio operators do it with frequency.


From n6kr at elecraft.com  Tue Jun 13 12:37:28 2017
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2017 09:37:28 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Frustration with Elecraft
In-Reply-To: <cbf9c81a-24dc-d93d-c6a7-8d28e65ebd15@audiosystemsgroup.com>
References: <CAMSnVtjD2mFkXSksssco+zCmT2eMQweLL2jNLURtQvSdupOLBg@mail.gmail.com>
	<89D1A3CF-C1DF-47A1-A1DA-FF1AEA5C6D9E@elecraft.com>
	<909B1A0524AC4655BE1D749A47F23228@G4GNXLaptop>
	<cbf9c81a-24dc-d93d-c6a7-8d28e65ebd15@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Message-ID: <6157E111-8C21-4B9A-AFC4-3D34DA265714@elecraft.com>

Jim Brown <jim at audiosystemsgroup.com> wrote:


> 
> Elecraft is 30 miles down the road from me, and many of those who work there are my neighbors (Elecraft also employs designers and support people who are not within driving distance)....

That?s an important point for me, Jim. Most of our engineers work from home, including me. This reduces both stress and our carbon footprint. And consuming less fuel is philosophically in line with the company?s QRP roots :)

We appreciate all of your hard-nosed engineering input over the years, too.

73,
Wayne
N6KR



From gthornton at thorntonmostullaw.com  Tue Jun 13 12:41:36 2017
From: gthornton at thorntonmostullaw.com (George Thornton)
Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2017 16:41:36 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Frustration with Elecraft
In-Reply-To: <3BE4A57B-AA6F-4131-ACC8-E85BA28DEEDA@elecraft.com>
References: <CAMSnVtjD2mFkXSksssco+zCmT2eMQweLL2jNLURtQvSdupOLBg@mail.gmail.com>
	<89D1A3CF-C1DF-47A1-A1DA-FF1AEA5C6D9E@elecraft.com>
	<1497367974426-7631703.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<3BE4A57B-AA6F-4131-ACC8-E85BA28DEEDA@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <ed3fa7fe7c2b42e095bdbfe286817025@Server.thorntonmostullaw.com>

I want to strongly echo others' statements of confidence and support for Elecraft's quality, integrity and follow through.

I started with Elecraft by building a K2 (great kit building experience) and later K3/P3 with all the bells and whistles.

These guys make excellent products and they provide top notch service.  They stand by their customers and their products.

Electronic equipment is complex and sensitive and occasionally components malfunction or become damaged.  These things are easily corrected.





From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Wayne Burdick
Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2017 8:43 AM
To: NB8F <nb8f at nb8f.com>
Cc: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Frustration with Elecraft

Hi Andy,

Just checked with Mike in sales. Looks like your KX2 has shipped.

Have fun in Field Day--

Wayne
N6KR


> On Jun 13, 2017, at 8:32 AM, NB8F <nb8f at nb8f.com><mailto:nb8f at nb8f.com%3e> wrote:
>
> Wayne,
> Thank you for the response. My thought that this was all a rarity and I
> appreciate you reaching out, I also felt this might be the best way (after
> my existing tickets / emails), to get this highlighted. Please keep me
> posted on the progress, again, communication goes a long way. As a Director
> of Engineering myself, understand that things can be missed and I understand
> the development / engineering process in which you work through.
>
> Thanks again and I look forward to a long relationship with Elecraft.
>
>
>
>
> -----
> NB8F - Andy
> Elecraft K3S / KX2



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From va3on at crrl.ca  Tue Jun 13 12:47:35 2017
From: va3on at crrl.ca (Rod Hardman(VA3ON))
Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2017 12:47:35 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Frustration with Elecraft
In-Reply-To: <CAEoi9W7_EU5+XWcYxLor9anaxnVKdfri2Ljtj5t5G8b94HxCDw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMSnVtjD2mFkXSksssco+zCmT2eMQweLL2jNLURtQvSdupOLBg@mail.gmail.com>
	<89D1A3CF-C1DF-47A1-A1DA-FF1AEA5C6D9E@elecraft.com>
	<909B1A0524AC4655BE1D749A47F23228@G4GNXLaptop>
	<CAEoi9W7_EU5+XWcYxLor9anaxnVKdfri2Ljtj5t5G8b94HxCDw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <FA364C6A-2C88-4FF3-A338-D108314B44EE@crrl.ca>

Dan - well said, very true.

Andrew - WELCOME to the Elecraft community! 
Like your club, I have good friends who are longtime Elecraft customers, so at Dayton I finally took the plunge and bought a KX2. (Eric filled out my order form himself - what a great experience)
It's an amazing unit and as mentioned here I bought a radio and got a whole bunch more. 
Wayne, Eric, the other Elecraft folks and the whole crew here too, nicely done!
/rod. VA3ON


On Jun 13, 2017, at 12:17, Dan Cross <crossd at gmail.com> wrote:

On Tue, Jun 13, 2017 at 11:46 AM, G4GNX <g4gnx at g4gnx.com> wrote:

> THIS is why I'm proud to own Elecraft equipment and will continue to do so.
> 

Here here! I just wanted to mention that I think it speaks well of both
Elecraft and the Elecraft community that someone can come onto the mailing
list, mention a problem and give some feedback, get a good solid response
from an officer of the company AND not get torn up in the process by a
heckling peanut gallery. So many times I see communities where folks will
take honest feedback as criticism and react poorly when that clearly wasn't
the intent; it's heartening to see that the Elecraft community is more
accepting of well-intentioned, well-written and honest feedback, and that
makes me proud and happy to be an Elecraft owner.  73,

       - Dan C.
         AC2OI
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From rich at wc3t.us  Tue Jun 13 13:08:17 2017
From: rich at wc3t.us (rich hurd WC3T)
Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2017 13:08:17 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Frustration with Elecraft
In-Reply-To: <6157E111-8C21-4B9A-AFC4-3D34DA265714@elecraft.com>
References: <CAMSnVtjD2mFkXSksssco+zCmT2eMQweLL2jNLURtQvSdupOLBg@mail.gmail.com>
	<89D1A3CF-C1DF-47A1-A1DA-FF1AEA5C6D9E@elecraft.com>
	<909B1A0524AC4655BE1D749A47F23228@G4GNXLaptop>
	<cbf9c81a-24dc-d93d-c6a7-8d28e65ebd15@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<6157E111-8C21-4B9A-AFC4-3D34DA265714@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <CABYU7Wi_-Li3=2KGe50=bXuwUJ=-y7ZMWuxcA3Vqw+kGuB5XpA@mail.gmail.com>

At the risk of pushing this careening thread closer to the cliff of
moderation (yes, I too am a list moderator and applaud their efforts) I
have to say that following this encounter has cemented my somewhat tenuous
relationship with Elecraft into a rather unbreakable bond.

I'm the proud 2nd owner of a KX3 station (PX3, KXPA100) and I also have the
odd smattering of other rigs floating around.  To see how you guys have
stepped up in this matter has reinforced for me the determination that I
shan't ever be disposing of my Elecraft gear for any reason whatever (short
of my QSYing to another plane of existence), and your equipment will be at
the top of any list for future purchases.

Bravo Wayne and team, and thank you.

On Tue, Jun 13, 2017 at 12:37 PM, Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com> wrote:

> Jim Brown <jim at audiosystemsgroup.com> wrote:
>
>
> >
> > Elecraft is 30 miles down the road from me, and many of those who work
> there are my neighbors (Elecraft also employs designers and support people
> who are not within driving distance)....
>
> That?s an important point for me, Jim. Most of our engineers work from
> home, including me. This reduces both stress and our carbon footprint. And
> consuming less fuel is philosophically in line with the company?s QRP roots
> :)
>
> We appreciate all of your hard-nosed engineering input over the years, too.
>
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR
>
>
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-- 
73 (or 72 for the QRP folks),
Rich Hurd / WC3T
DMR ID: 3142737
Northampton County RACES
EPA-ARRL Public Information Officer for Scouting
Latitude: 40.761621 Longitude: -75.288988  (40?45.68' N 75?17.33' W) Grid:
*FN20is*

From cautery at montac.com  Tue Jun 13 13:20:17 2017
From: cautery at montac.com (Clay Autery)
Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2017 12:20:17 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Frustration with Elecraft
In-Reply-To: <CABYU7Wi_-Li3=2KGe50=bXuwUJ=-y7ZMWuxcA3Vqw+kGuB5XpA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMSnVtjD2mFkXSksssco+zCmT2eMQweLL2jNLURtQvSdupOLBg@mail.gmail.com>
	<89D1A3CF-C1DF-47A1-A1DA-FF1AEA5C6D9E@elecraft.com>
	<909B1A0524AC4655BE1D749A47F23228@G4GNXLaptop>
	<cbf9c81a-24dc-d93d-c6a7-8d28e65ebd15@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<6157E111-8C21-4B9A-AFC4-3D34DA265714@elecraft.com>
	<CABYU7Wi_-Li3=2KGe50=bXuwUJ=-y7ZMWuxcA3Vqw+kGuB5XpA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4ab1a201-2d75-665d-acb4-269e795e30a4@montac.com>

I'm taking mine with me when I go!!!  <big wink>

______________________
Clay Autery, KY5G

On 6/13/2017 12:08 PM, rich hurd WC3T wrote:
> short of my QSYing to another plane of existence


From john.dolan55 at gmail.com  Tue Jun 13 13:25:14 2017
From: john.dolan55 at gmail.com (John Dolan)
Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2017 13:25:14 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Frustration with Elecraft
Message-ID: <CACAmuS9hMAoSc-_G5zypOuUaek1S4iqGx3XrG-XLiW9HU1uMTw@mail.gmail.com>

One of the main reasons I purchased my K3s and KX 3 rigs was that I could
expect support AFTER the sale if ever I need it. I am so glad that I am a
member of the Elecraft community!

73 and Thanks!  WB4YAL John

*Many of life's problems can be solved by simply deciding what we can do
without. -JohnDolan  <https://www.qrz.com/db/WB4YAL>*

From Gary at ka1j.com  Tue Jun 13 13:25:06 2017
From: Gary at ka1j.com (Gary Smith)
Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2017 13:25:06 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Frustration with Elecraft
In-Reply-To: <1497369006135-7631707.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <CAMSnVtjD2mFkXSksssco+zCmT2eMQweLL2jNLURtQvSdupOLBg@mail.gmail.com>,
	<3BE4A57B-AA6F-4131-ACC8-E85BA28DEEDA@elecraft.com>,
	<1497369006135-7631707.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <59401FF2.9786.A4D99C4@Gary.ka1j.com>

Andy,

Just to be another to chime in on the 
bandwagon, This is the kind of response 
that Elecraft has been doing since I first 
bought my K3 kit in 98 I think it was.

I now have a fully loaded K3s, a backup 
K3, fully loaded P3 and a K-Pod. My 
amplifier is an Alpha 77SX but I am 
seriously considering going for the 
upcoming Elecraft SS 1500W amp. The only 
thing that could pry the 77SX out of my 
fingers would be a full limit Elecraft 
amp. I have come to equate Elecraft with 
integrity and quality.

You will enjoy your radios and you will 
have fun discovering all the hidden 
nuggets your radios have waiting for you 
to uncover.

73,

Gary
KA1J


> Wayne,
> 
> Thanks for the quick response and action!
> 
> I look forward to having a great field day.
> 
> 
> 
> -----
> NB8F - Andy
> Elecraft K3S / KX2
> User since June 2017
> Ham since March 2015
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> View this message in context:
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From g3rce1 at gmail.com  Tue Jun 13 13:37:46 2017
From: g3rce1 at gmail.com (Robert Allbright)
Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2017 18:37:46 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] OT Learning Morse anew
In-Reply-To: <CAFA9ujs+8--QE1NXKEyUkTisg-=5EDGXWMhO490qpWm2Bk9Geg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABPLeqp2Tn01458VVGuQn5KPYgLKL7nqke-zPGEjfZ-ApNBNcQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<5032.593e6615.47c32.m0lep@hewett.org>
	<09cafb5e-a398-2256-042d-bc1194997cef@gmail.com>
	<CAFA9ujs+8--QE1NXKEyUkTisg-=5EDGXWMhO490qpWm2Bk9Geg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAN0z1671GD-X22FUMwyj0wRcrA0HCQ6yyZKXCn4E0CApmh2auQ@mail.gmail.com>

That's the best way Kev
73
Rob
G3RCE

On Jun 12, 2017 1:19 PM, "Kevin - K4VD" <kevin at k4vd.net> wrote:

?I learned code by memorizing 5 wpm and then getting on the air and having
as many contacts as I could. Nothing fancy, no coddling. Just do it.

73,
Kev
?
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From KV4TT.qsl at gmail.com  Tue Jun 13 13:43:14 2017
From: KV4TT.qsl at gmail.com (Michael Zabel)
Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2017 13:43:14 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Seeking input on KPA1500 station configurations
In-Reply-To: <DA13366D-B369-427C-9F2F-C8BA9C08FEAA@elecraft.com>
References: <DA13366D-B369-427C-9F2F-C8BA9C08FEAA@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <CAGVQ4X8XXBoKrXLeFuwsQOQja0Hi1cOOJEs55fmH1RdMJrDH_w@mail.gmail.com>

Hello group,

This is my first post here, but have been reading the mail for a while.
I currently do not have any Elecraft gear, but have built a K2, and owned
KX1 and KX3.

I am considering upgrading my station in the near future and am interested
in the control possibilities of the KPA 1500.

I currently use an AH-4 for remote tuning of a non resonant vertical dipole
that I use on the upper bands, and have on order a Stockcorner JC-4s
kilowatt remote tuner to replace the AH-4.

To the topic here, I am interested in the mention of a connection for the
AH-4 on the KPA 1500 and and what it's use would be given the mismatch of
the power ratings of the two devices?

Now on to the station setup I can imagine...

It would be useful in my station setup if the KPA 1500 could sense a
frequency change and initiate a 10-20 watt tune cycle with the JC-4s before
going back to online status. Ideally the KPA 1500 could do this without
communication with the exciter making that interface universal.

Alternately, with the K3(s), any tune initiation from the transceiver could
cause the KPA 1500 to initiate a tune cycle with the JC-4s with the KPA
1500 in bypass.

Or even more ideally, Elecraft comes out with a fully integrated remote
tuner to match the KPA 1500 for those of us who need the wider matching
range in our urban antenna restricted situations.

A wide range tuner in the shack would also work, but then you would only
want to do that with some very low loss coax like 7/8 Heliax.

Thanks for the opportunity to give input and for the example you set as a
company.

73 de KV4TT - Mike




On Jun 8, 2017 7:25 PM, "Wayne Burdick" <n6kr at elecraft.com> wrote:

> The KPA1500 has very flexible I/O, and plenty of space for adding new
> control features in firmware. I/O ports include Ethernet, USB, RS-232, K3
> Accessory connector (including Icom band voltages), AH-4, CI-V, keying
> input (PTT), ALC out, and remote power-on.
>
> In order to prioritize our efforts towards the facilitation of remote
> control and interfacing, we?d like to hear from those considering how they
> might integrate a KPA1500 into their station. Please describe both
> third-party and home-built gear that you might be using. In what situations
> could the KPA1500 itself simplify setup or operation?
>
> I can?t promise we?ll be able to respond to every question or suggestion,
> but we?ll keep all of your input for our internal discussions.
>
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR
>
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From kengkopp at gmail.com  Tue Jun 13 13:50:39 2017
From: kengkopp at gmail.com (Ken G Kopp)
Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2017 11:50:39 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] Seeking input on KPA1500 station configurations
In-Reply-To: <CAGVQ4X8XXBoKrXLeFuwsQOQja0Hi1cOOJEs55fmH1RdMJrDH_w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <DA13366D-B369-427C-9F2F-C8BA9C08FEAA@elecraft.com>
	<CAGVQ4X8XXBoKrXLeFuwsQOQja0Hi1cOOJEs55fmH1RdMJrDH_w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAD4CdTP+FmZ2VHg7u8PCu4boKgeDh0xZT1h=W4zcpSFkVG1AFw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Mike!

I used to use an AH-4.  Check the power handling capability of the unit.  I
think you'll find it's incapable of handling the KPA500, let alone the
KPA1500.

73!

Ken - K0PP

On Jun 13, 2017 11:43, "Michael Zabel" <KV4TT.qsl at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello group,
>
> This is my first post here, but have been reading the mail for a while.
> I currently do not have any Elecraft gear, but have built a K2, and owned
> KX1 and KX3.
>
> I am considering upgrading my station in the near future and am interested
> in the control possibilities of the KPA 1500.
>
> I currently use an AH-4 for remote tuning of a non resonant vertical dipole
> that I use on the upper bands, and have on order a Stockcorner JC-4s
> kilowatt remote tuner to replace the AH-4.
>
> To the topic here, I am interested in the mention of a connection for the
> AH-4 on the KPA 1500 and and what it's use would be given the mismatch of
> the power ratings of the two devices?
>
> Now on to the station setup I can imagine...
>
> It would be useful in my station setup if the KPA 1500 could sense a
> frequency change and initiate a 10-20 watt tune cycle with the JC-4s before
> going back to online status. Ideally the KPA 1500 could do this without
> communication with the exciter making that interface universal.
>
> Alternately, with the K3(s), any tune initiation from the transceiver could
> cause the KPA 1500 to initiate a tune cycle with the JC-4s with the KPA
> 1500 in bypass.
>
> Or even more ideally, Elecraft comes out with a fully integrated remote
> tuner to match the KPA 1500 for those of us who need the wider matching
> range in our urban antenna restricted situations.
>
> A wide range tuner in the shack would also work, but then you would only
> want to do that with some very low loss coax like 7/8 Heliax.
>
> Thanks for the opportunity to give input and for the example you set as a
> company.
>
> 73 de KV4TT - Mike
>
>
>
>
> On Jun 8, 2017 7:25 PM, "Wayne Burdick" <n6kr at elecraft.com> wrote:
>
> > The KPA1500 has very flexible I/O, and plenty of space for adding new
> > control features in firmware. I/O ports include Ethernet, USB, RS-232, K3
> > Accessory connector (including Icom band voltages), AH-4, CI-V, keying
> > input (PTT), ALC out, and remote power-on.
> >
> > In order to prioritize our efforts towards the facilitation of remote
> > control and interfacing, we?d like to hear from those considering how
> they
> > might integrate a KPA1500 into their station. Please describe both
> > third-party and home-built gear that you might be using. In what
> situations
> > could the KPA1500 itself simplify setup or operation?
> >
> > I can?t promise we?ll be able to respond to every question or suggestion,
> > but we?ll keep all of your input for our internal discussions.
> >
> > 73,
> > Wayne
> > N6KR
> >
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From kengkopp at gmail.com  Tue Jun 13 13:59:03 2017
From: kengkopp at gmail.com (Ken G Kopp)
Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2017 11:59:03 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] Icon AH-4
In-Reply-To: <CAD4CdTPSnBpo4ypa3eC5ZStkZUevBMp8p=K=dkEyZYX4BTbCwQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAD4CdTPdwD1OQh_4+cx_EEyiSHcxBUSi6PAdGV2YLdkAezKwng@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAD4CdTPSnBpo4ypa3eC5ZStkZUevBMp8p=K=dkEyZYX4BTbCwQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAD4CdTPM2LcCtCwg1z2B=kt9=ZcubM4=w5hQZUsBMMGyQ7aNzA@mail.gmail.com>

Icom manual says can handle 120W maximum.

73

Ken - K0PP

From nb8f at nb8f.com  Tue Jun 13 14:00:43 2017
From: nb8f at nb8f.com (NB8F)
Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2017 11:00:43 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] Frustration with Elecraft
In-Reply-To: <CAEoi9W7_EU5+XWcYxLor9anaxnVKdfri2Ljtj5t5G8b94HxCDw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMSnVtjD2mFkXSksssco+zCmT2eMQweLL2jNLURtQvSdupOLBg@mail.gmail.com>
	<89D1A3CF-C1DF-47A1-A1DA-FF1AEA5C6D9E@elecraft.com>
	<909B1A0524AC4655BE1D749A47F23228@G4GNXLaptop>
	<CAEoi9W7_EU5+XWcYxLor9anaxnVKdfri2Ljtj5t5G8b94HxCDw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1497376843755-7631723.post@n2.nabble.com>

Dan, I just want to say that I 100% agree. I was weary of posting my thoughts
because of what happens on most boards.  I was surprised to see Wayne
respond directly and too me, made a big difference.  The fact that, while
many supported Elecraft (rightfully so), none of them said I was wrong or
wanted to pick a fight.   I am sure I will be an Elecraft owner for a long
time to come.  In this particular instance I am satisfied with the response
and action that was taken. 

I also want to say thanks to many of you who reached out to me directly to
help in any way possible. It's nice to see a community that is so
responsive, it helps solidify that I made the right decision on my new radio
purchases. 



Dan Cross wrote
> Here here! I just wanted to mention that I think it speaks well of both
> Elecraft and the Elecraft community that someone can come onto the mailing
> list, mention a problem and give some feedback, get a good solid response
> from an officer of the company AND not get torn up in the process by a
> heckling peanut gallery. So many times I see communities where folks will
> take honest feedback as criticism and react poorly when that clearly
> wasn't
> the intent; it's heartening to see that the Elecraft community is more
> accepting of well-intentioned, well-written and honest feedback, and that
> makes me proud and happy to be an Elecraft owner.  73,
> 
>         - Dan C.
>           AC2OI





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Elecraft K3S / KX2
User since June 2017
Ham since March 2015
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From KV4TT.qsl at gmail.com  Tue Jun 13 14:07:26 2017
From: KV4TT.qsl at gmail.com (Michael Zabel)
Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2017 14:07:26 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Seeking input on KPA1500 station configurations
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Here is a link to the JC-4s I have on order, it is rated 1 kw ssb.

http://www.stockcorner.nl/index.php/jc-4-automatic-antenna-tuner-1kw

KV4TT - Mike

On Jun 13, 2017 1:50 PM, "Ken G Kopp" <kengkopp at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Mike!
>
> I used to use an AH-4.  Check the power handling capability of the unit.
> I think you'll find it's incapable of handling the KPA500, let alone the
> KPA1500.
>
> 73!
>
> Ken - K0PP
>
> On Jun 13, 2017 11:43, "Michael Zabel" <KV4TT.qsl at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hello group,
>>
>> This is my first post here, but have been reading the mail for a while.
>> I currently do not have any Elecraft gear, but have built a K2, and owned
>> KX1 and KX3.
>>
>> I am considering upgrading my station in the near future and am interested
>> in the control possibilities of the KPA 1500.
>>
>> I currently use an AH-4 for remote tuning of a non resonant vertical
>> dipole
>> that I use on the upper bands, and have on order a Stockcorner JC-4s
>> kilowatt remote tuner to replace the AH-4.
>>
>> To the topic here, I am interested in the mention of a connection for the
>> AH-4 on the KPA 1500 and and what it's use would be given the mismatch of
>> the power ratings of the two devices?
>>
>> Now on to the station setup I can imagine...
>>
>> It would be useful in my station setup if the KPA 1500 could sense a
>> frequency change and initiate a 10-20 watt tune cycle with the JC-4s
>> before
>> going back to online status. Ideally the KPA 1500 could do this without
>> communication with the exciter making that interface universal.
>>
>> Alternately, with the K3(s), any tune initiation from the transceiver
>> could
>> cause the KPA 1500 to initiate a tune cycle with the JC-4s with the KPA
>> 1500 in bypass.
>>
>> Or even more ideally, Elecraft comes out with a fully integrated remote
>> tuner to match the KPA 1500 for those of us who need the wider matching
>> range in our urban antenna restricted situations.
>>
>> A wide range tuner in the shack would also work, but then you would only
>> want to do that with some very low loss coax like 7/8 Heliax.
>>
>> Thanks for the opportunity to give input and for the example you set as a
>> company.
>>
>> 73 de KV4TT - Mike
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jun 8, 2017 7:25 PM, "Wayne Burdick" <n6kr at elecraft.com> wrote:
>>
>> > The KPA1500 has very flexible I/O, and plenty of space for adding new
>> > control features in firmware. I/O ports include Ethernet, USB, RS-232,
>> K3
>> > Accessory connector (including Icom band voltages), AH-4, CI-V, keying
>> > input (PTT), ALC out, and remote power-on.
>> >
>> > In order to prioritize our efforts towards the facilitation of remote
>> > control and interfacing, we?d like to hear from those considering how
>> they
>> > might integrate a KPA1500 into their station. Please describe both
>> > third-party and home-built gear that you might be using. In what
>> situations
>> > could the KPA1500 itself simplify setup or operation?
>> >
>> > I can?t promise we?ll be able to respond to every question or
>> suggestion,
>> > but we?ll keep all of your input for our internal discussions.
>> >
>> > 73,
>> > Wayne
>> > N6KR
>> >
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From OH2CG at kolumbus.fi  Tue Jun 13 14:08:53 2017
From: OH2CG at kolumbus.fi (Pentti A J Pajunen)
Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2017 21:08:53 +0300
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Digest, Vol 158, Issue 14
In-Reply-To: <mailman.161.1497279890.7807.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
References: <mailman.161.1497279890.7807.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID: <041bf9f5-8ed4-0ceb-4326-17ceb9546170@kolumbus.fi>

Hi Ya OTs & other CW improvers. No absolute truth in learnig the Morse 
(rather Veil) code.

1. Rag chewing with highest speed you can read in your head
2. Take a buzzer (may be your rig monitoring, not transmitting), some 
journal and start sending the code as fast U can

Sending the code is as good as anything else "schooling" Ur brain. 
K-radios have exellent keyers and sending monitors for practising.

I love HAM radio and Competition dancing (with my XYL). The more I can 
practise the more I can reach in CW and the more I can "see" as an 
adjudicator in dancing competitions. Both hobbies are the best U can do 
fully clothed - in publick.

73 & CU, don't give up!
Penna OH2G, OH2CG



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> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2017 20:52:01 -0400
> From: "Rod Hardman(VA3ON)" <va3on at crrl.ca>
> To: Jim Sr Sturges <jwsturges at gmail.com>
> Cc: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT Learning Morse anew
> Message-ID: <502F7363-5B34-4FA9-A7A2-350EA5C0F2C4 at crrl.ca>
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>
> Jim
> I'll endorse your experience with the installation PAE's excellent heatsink for the KX2.
> I jumped into that operation with a Swiss Army knife and a set of forceps at the hotel while at Dayton hamvention.
> Holding on the two washers, nut and bolt simultaneously in a confined space is playing "Twister" with your fingers!
> That said, I love the kit - combined with the Lexan cover, the kit is both functional and attractive.
> Fun to get an installation challenge from time to time!!
> /Rod VA3ON
>
> On Jun 11, 2017, at 18:25, Jim Sr Sturges <jwsturges at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I think I learned code all wrong. Can't ever seem to get my speed up.
>
> Surely some of the astute among you _know_ The Perfect Method, and I hope
> you will share?
>
> To complete the OT-ness of this msg, I recently completed the QRP Labs
> Ultimate WSPR/QRSS kit and re-learned the joys of soldering iron burns,
> again. Certainly nothing wrong with Hans' excellent kits, and the price is
> amazing for the functionality, design, and quality.
>
> Then I installed the PAE heat sink end panels on my KX2. The latter is not
> for the faint of heart! I STRONGLY recommend the somewhat buried hint in
> PAE's instructions to remove the AT board before attaching the PA
> transistors to the heat sink. Tried it the other way and re-discovered that
> my micromanipulation skills are right up there with my CW -- maybe better,
> which is damned depressing.
>
> So, any help mastering Morse?
>
> Thanks in advance and 73,
>
> Jim N3SZ
>

-- 
73&CU Penna, OH2G, OF2CG

From pincon at erols.com  Tue Jun 13 14:21:13 2017
From: pincon at erols.com (Charlie T, K3ICH)
Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2017 14:21:13 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Satisfaction with Elecraft
Message-ID: <007501d2e471$daeb5960$90c20c20$@erols.com>

Isn't it time we changed the word "frustration" to "satisfaction" ?

Charlie k3ICH



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From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net
[mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Gary Smith
Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2017 1:25 PM
To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Frustration with Elecraft

Andy,

Just to be another to chime in on the
bandwagon, This is the kind of response that Elecraft has been doing since I
first bought my K3 kit in 98 I think it was.

I now have a fully loaded K3s, a backup K3, fully loaded P3 and a K-Pod. My
amplifier is an Alpha 77SX but I am seriously considering going for the
upcoming Elecraft SS 1500W amp. The only thing that could pry the 77SX out
of my fingers would be a full limit Elecraft amp. I have come to equate
Elecraft with integrity and quality.

You will enjoy your radios and you will have fun discovering all the hidden
nuggets your radios have waiting for you to uncover.

73,

Gary
KA1J


> Wayne,
> 
> Thanks for the quick response and action!
> 
> I look forward to having a great field day.
> 
> 
> 
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> NB8F - Andy
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> User since June 2017
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From kl7uw at acsalaska.net  Tue Jun 13 14:27:10 2017
From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole)
Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2017 10:27:10 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Frustration with Elecraft
Message-ID: <201706131827.v5DIRD1f007977@mail42c28.carrierzone.com>

I can relate to Andy's frustration and bad luck.  I fortunately have 
had good luck with my Elecraft purchases and any difficulties were 
result of inadequate knowledge or lack of reading over the manual sufficiently.

I recently installed the KXAT100 in my KXPA100 prior to taking a 
month-long trip out of Alaska to pick up our recently purchased 
5th-wheel travel trailer in Seattle.  I tested it with the KX3 remote 
control on my bench but after install in the truck it would not work 
properly (Not power-on from the KX3 menu).  I discovered that the 
power-pole connector had to be in the proper jack (not the auxiliary 
power-pole jack) for that to function.

I used it mainly on 6m with a base-loaded whip.

I have one of the beta-test 2M transverter modules and it partially 
failed in power output.  Elecraft got that repaired for me.  I ran 
120w 2m-SSB on the trip driving a 2w/25w driver PA for the TE1410 
final amp.  It only required 0.8w drive to produce 10w drive into the 
final, but I worked a VE7 outside the Vancouver area into northern WA 
while mobile.  KX3-2M receives quite well even in marginal mobile conditions.

I recently traded my DEMI 222-28 transverter for a new 30w FM mobile 
as there is no CW/SSB activity up here.  The new Bridgecom BCM-220 
looked like a nice substitute and I excitedly set it up upon arrival, 
but it would not transmit.  After much head scratching I decided 
maybe a call was needed to their "tech dept".  I actually got the CEO 
of the company and after a couple questions determined I was trying 
to transmit out of the band.   Well the VFO indicated in band so I 
was confused.  He then walked me thru checking if duplex offset was 
in play...and it was.  I didn't program that?  He explained they 
pre-program the radio with that and a couple repeater frequencies 
(apparently to aid the new operator in setting up repeater use).  I 
had never experienced a new radio with any programing so didn't look 
for any.  Radio worked fine once I reset offset to zero - which was a 
big "duh" moment for me!  I can say I was impressed with Bridgecom's 
response (so maybe they learned from watching Elecraft?).

This is still unusual in my experience with OEM's.  I spent 30 years 
working as two-way radio tech with a lot of the "other" kind of tech help.

I tried to emulate Elecraft in my small kit making business; I 
recently closed the doors and no longer build kits on contract.  At 
72 I am finally retired.

73, Ed - KL7UW
   http://www.kl7uw.com
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From n6tv at arrl.net  Tue Jun 13 14:39:19 2017
From: n6tv at arrl.net (Bob Wilson, N6TV)
Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2017 11:39:19 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Seeking input on KPA1500 station configurations
In-Reply-To: <DA13366D-B369-427C-9F2F-C8BA9C08FEAA@elecraft.com>
References: <DA13366D-B369-427C-9F2F-C8BA9C08FEAA@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <CAOmNKGLYjGpfEgyDAJwAcGDFCcu_1ok3m6dXDOj9xyJhO3JX1Q@mail.gmail.com>

Wayne,

Sorry for the delayed response.  What seems to be missing from the KPA1500,
compared to the Alpha 87A, is a keying OUTPUT on an RCA phono jack.  If
it's too late to add another jack to the KPA1500, perhaps the REM jack
could be reprogrammed via firmware to do this function, instead of remote
power on?  Note that it also has to work when the amplifier is OFF.

>From the Alpha 87A manual:

"KEY OUT ? Provides a pull-down to ground (through 47 ohm resistor) which
follows the line connected to the RELAY jack when the amplifier is ON and
in OPERATE condition. When the 87A is in STANDBY or OFF, KEY OUT is
directly connected to the RELAY jack by a closed relay contact in the
amplifier. Useful for special T/R hook-ups when amplifier is used with
exciters having poor T/R sequencing."


Some folks have to send keying input to the amplifier, and let the
amplifier key the radio, to prevent hot switching.  It may also be useful
in SO2R lockout systems.

In my shack, I currently wire two of these connectors in parallel (from two
amps) into a simple RCA Y-cable to a pre-amplifier's power disconnect line
on a Pixel Loop.  Grounding this line on either amplifier will then remove
power from the antenna-mounted pre-amp whenever I transmit.  The power
coupler is a Clifton Labs Z1203B which is 100% compatible with the Pixel
Loop, but it operates silently at QSK speeds (unlike the original Pixel
power coupler which has a noisy relay).

73,
Bob, N6TV

On Thu, Jun 8, 2017 at 4:23 PM, Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com> wrote:

> The KPA1500 has very flexible I/O, and plenty of space for adding new
> control features in firmware. I/O ports include Ethernet, USB, RS-232, K3
> Accessory connector (including Icom band voltages), AH-4, CI-V, keying
> input (PTT), ALC out, and remote power-on.
>
> In order to prioritize our efforts towards the facilitation of remote
> control and interfacing, we?d like to hear from those considering how they
> might integrate a KPA1500 into their station. Please describe both
> third-party and home-built gear that you might be using. In what situations
> could the KPA1500 itself simplify setup or operation?
>
> I can?t promise we?ll be able to respond to every question or suggestion,
> but we?ll keep all of your input for our internal discussions.
>
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR
>
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From KV4TT.qsl at gmail.com  Tue Jun 13 16:35:33 2017
From: KV4TT.qsl at gmail.com (Michael Zabel)
Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2017 16:35:33 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Seeking input on KPA1500 station configurations
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References: <DA13366D-B369-427C-9F2F-C8BA9C08FEAA@elecraft.com>
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	<CAD4CdTP+FmZ2VHg7u8PCu4boKgeDh0xZT1h=W4zcpSFkVG1AFw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAGVQ4X97aT8PtzNa=32=YPTtva6m+wXspOw0ZNc4=TRApeteiQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<5940371E.9030009@comcast.net>
	<3BF8068C-21DC-4A04-8111-8B4CE200D543@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGVQ4X9d0WeE8M2d_aCKhB7qvOxOv8kg1CKZhH7eqM7=KcHn+g@mail.gmail.com>

I originally ordered the 1kw tuner with the KPA 500 in mind.....then the
surprise announcement of the KPA 1500, and talk of flexibility of control
options.

Stock corner also has a 5kw tuner, but at 3200 Euros!!

KV4TT- Mike

From KV4TT.qsl at gmail.com  Tue Jun 13 16:46:59 2017
From: KV4TT.qsl at gmail.com (Michael Zabel)
Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2017 16:46:59 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Seeking input on KPA1500 station configurations
In-Reply-To: <CAGVQ4X9+nUoXC+PNmJbaBkmxO1i3ryUEsKesCygw43G3XbuGaQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <DA13366D-B369-427C-9F2F-C8BA9C08FEAA@elecraft.com>
	<CAGVQ4X8XXBoKrXLeFuwsQOQja0Hi1cOOJEs55fmH1RdMJrDH_w@mail.gmail.com>
	<001b01d2e471$d81ea4d0$885bee70$@elecraft.com>
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This would be a great help!

I just know myself, and sooner or later I will TX full power into the
untuned antenna/tuner.

Though the rigs rx performance is far from ideal, the current setup has me
pretty spoiled. The Icom trx will initiate a tune of the AH-4 at low power
if I have changed frequency more than 1 %.

The JC-4s I have on order works on the AH-4 protocol too.

Just looking to add an amp to the station when I upgrade and the Elecraft's
have my eye.

KV4TT-Mike

On Jun 13, 2017 2:21 PM, "Dick Dievendorff" <dick at elecraft.com> wrote:

Mike:  The "Tune" connector on the back of the KPA1500, like the KAT500,
can be used with an ICOM transceiver to cause a transceiver TUNE button
press to start a tune cycle for the KPA1500's ATU.  No AH-4 is involved,
the AH-4 is designed for the 100-watt category.   The ICOM transceiver
sends and receives the same signals as it would with an AH-4.  But it's the
Elecraft ATU, not the ICOM AH-4.

If you want to use a remote tuner, it should be capable of handing the
amplified output, the ATU tuning negotiation should be between the exciter
and remote ATU (which could well be the AH-4 protocol), and the KPA1500 can
be used in its ATU bypassed configuration.

We will be on the lookout for ways for the KPA1500 to help with this, like
bypassing the amplifier when ATU tuning.

73 de Dick, K6KR



-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-bounces@
mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Michael Zabel
Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2017 10:43
To: Elecraft Reflector <Elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Seeking input on KPA1500 station configurations

Hello group,

This is my first post here, but have been reading the mail for a while.
I currently do not have any Elecraft gear, but have built a K2, and owned
KX1 and KX3.

I am considering upgrading my station in the near future and am interested
in the control possibilities of the KPA 1500.

I currently use an AH-4 for remote tuning of a non resonant vertical dipole
that I use on the upper bands, and have on order a Stockcorner JC-4s
kilowatt remote tuner to replace the AH-4.

To the topic here, I am interested in the mention of a connection for the
AH-4 on the KPA 1500 and and what it's use would be given the mismatch of
the power ratings of the two devices?

Now on to the station setup I can imagine...

It would be useful in my station setup if the KPA 1500 could sense a
frequency change and initiate a 10-20 watt tune cycle with the JC-4s before
going back to online status. Ideally the KPA 1500 could do this without
communication with the exciter making that interface universal.

Alternately, with the K3(s), any tune initiation from the transceiver could
cause the KPA 1500 to initiate a tune cycle with the JC-4s with the KPA
1500 in bypass.

Or even more ideally, Elecraft comes out with a fully integrated remote
tuner to match the KPA 1500 for those of us who need the wider matching
range in our urban antenna restricted situations.

A wide range tuner in the shack would also work, but then you would only
want to do that with some very low loss coax like 7/8 Heliax.

Thanks for the opportunity to give input and for the example you set as a
company.

73 de KV4TT - Mike




On Jun 8, 2017 7:25 PM, "Wayne Burdick" <n6kr at elecraft.com> wrote:

> The KPA1500 has very flexible I/O, and plenty of space for adding new
> control features in firmware. I/O ports include Ethernet, USB, RS-232,
> K3 Accessory connector (including Icom band voltages), AH-4, CI-V,
> keying input (PTT), ALC out, and remote power-on.
>
> In order to prioritize our efforts towards the facilitation of remote
> control and interfacing, we?d like to hear from those considering how
> they might integrate a KPA1500 into their station. Please describe
> both third-party and home-built gear that you might be using. In what
> situations could the KPA1500 itself simplify setup or operation?
>
> I can?t promise we?ll be able to respond to every question or
> suggestion, but we?ll keep all of your input for our internal discussions.
>
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR
>
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From k9fd at flex.com  Tue Jun 13 17:38:43 2017
From: k9fd at flex.com (Merv Schweigert)
Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2017 11:38:43 -1000
Subject: [Elecraft] [DETECTED AS SPAM] Re: Seeking input on KPA1500
 station configurations
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It says 300 watts CW and emphasizes, "for a short time"


> Here is a link to the JC-4s I have on order, it is rated 1 kw ssb.
>
> http://www.stockcorner.nl/index.php/jc-4-automatic-antenna-tuner-1kw
>
> KV4TT - Mike
>
> On Jun 13, 2017 1:50 PM, "Ken G Kopp" <kengkopp at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Mike!
>>
>> I used to use an AH-4.  Check the power handling capability of the unit.
>> I think you'll find it's incapable of handling the KPA500, let alone the
>> KPA1500.
>>
>> 73!
>>
>> Ken - K0PP
>>
>> On Jun 13, 2017 11:43, "Michael Zabel" <KV4TT.qsl at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello group,
>>>
>>> This is my first post here, but have been reading the mail for a while.
>>> I currently do not have any Elecraft gear, but have built a K2, and owned
>>> KX1 and KX3.
>>>
>>> I am considering upgrading my station in the near future and am interested
>>> in the control possibilities of the KPA 1500.
>>>
>>> I currently use an AH-4 for remote tuning of a non resonant vertical
>>> dipole
>>> that I use on the upper bands, and have on order a Stockcorner JC-4s
>>> kilowatt remote tuner to replace the AH-4.
>>>
>>> To the topic here, I am interested in the mention of a connection for the
>>> AH-4 on the KPA 1500 and and what it's use would be given the mismatch of
>>> the power ratings of the two devices?
>>>
>>> Now on to the station setup I can imagine...
>>>
>>> It would be useful in my station setup if the KPA 1500 could sense a
>>> frequency change and initiate a 10-20 watt tune cycle with the JC-4s
>>> before
>>> going back to online status. Ideally the KPA 1500 could do this without
>>> communication with the exciter making that interface universal.
>>>
>>> Alternately, with the K3(s), any tune initiation from the transceiver
>>> could
>>> cause the KPA 1500 to initiate a tune cycle with the JC-4s with the KPA
>>> 1500 in bypass.
>>>
>>> Or even more ideally, Elecraft comes out with a fully integrated remote
>>> tuner to match the KPA 1500 for those of us who need the wider matching
>>> range in our urban antenna restricted situations.
>>>
>>> A wide range tuner in the shack would also work, but then you would only
>>> want to do that with some very low loss coax like 7/8 Heliax.
>>>
>>> Thanks for the opportunity to give input and for the example you set as a
>>> company.
>>>
>>> 73 de KV4TT - Mike
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jun 8, 2017 7:25 PM, "Wayne Burdick" <n6kr at elecraft.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> The KPA1500 has very flexible I/O, and plenty of space for adding new
>>>> control features in firmware. I/O ports include Ethernet, USB, RS-232,
>>> K3
>>>> Accessory connector (including Icom band voltages), AH-4, CI-V, keying
>>>> input (PTT), ALC out, and remote power-on.
>>>>
>>>> In order to prioritize our efforts towards the facilitation of remote
>>>> control and interfacing, we?d like to hear from those considering how
>>> they
>>>> might integrate a KPA1500 into their station. Please describe both
>>>> third-party and home-built gear that you might be using. In what
>>> situations
>>>> could the KPA1500 itself simplify setup or operation?
>>>>
>>>> I can?t promise we?ll be able to respond to every question or
>>> suggestion,
>>>> but we?ll keep all of your input for our internal discussions.
>>>>
>>>> 73,
>>>> Wayne
>>>> N6KR
>>>>
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From k9yeq at live.com  Tue Jun 13 21:22:14 2017
From: k9yeq at live.com (Bill Johnson)
Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2017 01:22:14 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Frustration with Elecraft
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Mine as well including all coax and power supplies.  500 watts or QRPp right from the crematorium.  Will this stuff incinerate?

73,
Bill
K9YEQ

-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Clay Autery
Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2017 12:20 PM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Frustration with Elecraft

I'm taking mine with me when I go!!!  <big wink>

______________________
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On 6/13/2017 12:08 PM, rich hurd WC3T wrote:
> short of my QSYing to another plane of existence

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From k9yeq at live.com  Tue Jun 13 21:27:11 2017
From: k9yeq at live.com (Bill Johnson)
Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2017 01:27:11 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Frustration with Elecraft
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I had an issue with my K3s. It required a bunch of communications and sending my equipment in and then to see it fail.  Never, ever did I lose confidence that Elecraft wouldn't make it right... guess what? They did.  Personal communications, listening to my expertise when diagnosing (a biggie, since my experience tells me that most tech support treats me like an idiot) and all is working just super. Oh, I do have lots of experience with this Co.  I will sign with my very old outdated credentials.  

72 & 73,
Bill
K9YEQ, FT'er for K2, KX1, KX3, KXPA100,  KAT500, W2, etc. 

-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Edward R Cole
Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2017 1:27 PM
To: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Frustration with Elecraft

I can relate to Andy's frustration and bad luck.  I fortunately have had good luck with my Elecraft purchases and any difficulties were result of inadequate knowledge or lack of reading over the manual sufficiently.

I recently installed the KXAT100 in my KXPA100 prior to taking a month-long trip out of Alaska to pick up our recently purchased 5th-wheel travel trailer in Seattle.  I tested it with the KX3 remote control on my bench but after install in the truck it would not work properly (Not power-on from the KX3 menu).  I discovered that the power-pole connector had to be in the proper jack (not the auxiliary power-pole jack) for that to function.

I used it mainly on 6m with a base-loaded whip.

I have one of the beta-test 2M transverter modules and it partially failed in power output.  Elecraft got that repaired for me.  I ran 120w 2m-SSB on the trip driving a 2w/25w driver PA for the TE1410 final amp.  It only required 0.8w drive to produce 10w drive into the final, but I worked a VE7 outside the Vancouver area into northern WA while mobile.  KX3-2M receives quite well even in marginal mobile conditions.

I recently traded my DEMI 222-28 transverter for a new 30w FM mobile as there is no CW/SSB activity up here.  The new Bridgecom BCM-220 looked like a nice substitute and I excitedly set it up upon arrival, but it would not transmit.  After much head scratching I decided maybe a call was needed to their "tech dept".  I actually got the CEO of the company and after a couple questions determined I was trying 
to transmit out of the band.   Well the VFO indicated in band so I 
was confused.  He then walked me thru checking if duplex offset was in play...and it was.  I didn't program that?  He explained they pre-program the radio with that and a couple repeater frequencies (apparently to aid the new operator in setting up repeater use).  I had never experienced a new radio with any programing so didn't look for any.  Radio worked fine once I reset offset to zero - which was a big "duh" moment for me!  I can say I was impressed with Bridgecom's response (so maybe they learned from watching Elecraft?).

This is still unusual in my experience with OEM's.  I spent 30 years working as two-way radio tech with a lot of the "other" kind of tech help.

I tried to emulate Elecraft in my small kit making business; I recently closed the doors and no longer build kits on contract.  At
72 I am finally retired.

73, Ed - KL7UW
   http://www.kl7uw.com
Dubus-NA Business mail:
   dubususa at gmail.com 

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From morrellm at att.net  Wed Jun 14 15:01:40 2017
From: morrellm at att.net (Mike Morrell)
Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2017 15:01:40 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Test message
Message-ID: <000201d2e540$a91af6f0$fb50e4d0$@att.net>

Test 

Mike Morrell - K8KE


From dl1sdz at gmail.com  Wed Jun 14 16:51:18 2017
From: dl1sdz at gmail.com (Hajo Dezelski)
Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2017 22:51:18 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] [Kx3][Kx2] AFX MD Delay
In-Reply-To: <CACM_ObKiHXpV1m5evKKGOLaR=Su+ub_sWngd12_4-EevKrxG5w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACM_ObLgJLhxrBSW081S=qpLGrmhm96ST=snOWJAa8pmpC4swQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Hi,

I have the delay always on, but as much my ears creep into the headphones I
couldn't explain how it is done. Any hints?

It sounds like K3 diversity reception without a second antenna.

73 de

Hajo dl1sdz

---
Cela est bien dit, mais il faut cultiver notre jardin.


http://hajos-kontrapunkte.blogspot.de/

From n6kr at elecraft.com  Wed Jun 14 17:43:49 2017
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2017 14:43:49 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] [Kx3][Kx2] AFX MD Delay
In-Reply-To: <CACM_Ob+nq+bg1ZHsHAiiX8-s27GytNN5kW9AxbJn_P8OEK+pxQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Hi Hajo,

?Delay? mode uses simulated stereo. This is achieved by delaying the right-channel audio by a small amount with respect to the left channel. Your brain interprets this as stereo because, in the real world, sounds arrive at your ears at different times.

In practice this can greatly reduce listening fatigue. Note that it works with dual external speakers as well.

Wayne
N6KR



> On Jun 14, 2017, at 1:51 PM, Hajo Dezelski <dl1sdz at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I have the delay always on, but as much my ears creep into the headphones I
> couldn't explain how it is done. Any hints?
> 
> It sounds like K3 diversity reception without a second antenna.
> 
> 73 de
> 
> Hajo dl1sdz
> 
> ---
> Cela est bien dit, mais il faut cultiver notre jardin.
> 
> 
> http://hajos-kontrapunkte.blogspot.de/
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From dl1sdz at gmail.com  Wed Jun 14 17:55:47 2017
From: dl1sdz at gmail.com (Hajo Dezelski)
Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2017 23:55:47 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] [Kx3][Kx2] AFX MD Delay
In-Reply-To: <9BFEC15E-CA2D-4F5C-9E5C-953194144DD3@elecraft.com>
References: <CACM_ObLgJLhxrBSW081S=qpLGrmhm96ST=snOWJAa8pmpC4swQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Thanks Wayne,

so this is kind of binaural simulation. Well done!

73 de
Hajo dl1sdz

Am 14.06.2017 11:43 nachm. schrieb "Wayne Burdick" <n6kr at elecraft.com>:

> Hi Hajo,
>
> ?Delay? mode uses simulated stereo. This is achieved by delaying the
> right-channel audio by a small amount with respect to the left channel.
> Your brain interprets this as stereo because, in the real world, sounds
> arrive at your ears at different times.
>
> In practice this can greatly reduce listening fatigue. Note that it works
> with dual external speakers as well.
>
> Wayne
> N6KR
>
>
>
> > On Jun 14, 2017, at 1:51 PM, Hajo Dezelski <dl1sdz at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > I have the delay always on, but as much my ears creep into the
> headphones I
> > couldn't explain how it is done. Any hints?
> >
> > It sounds like K3 diversity reception without a second antenna.
> >
> > 73 de
> >
> > Hajo dl1sdz
> >
> > ---
> > Cela est bien dit, mais il faut cultiver notre jardin.
> >
> >
> > http://hajos-kontrapunkte.blogspot.de/
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From nr4c at widomaker.com  Wed Jun 14 17:58:19 2017
From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c)
Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2017 17:58:19 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Frustration with Elecraft
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Hurry!

Be among the first to get in on the ground floor of a promising business venture!

Cemetery Urns, complete with SO-239 and network jack. 

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill


> On Jun 13, 2017, at 9:22 PM, Bill Johnson <k9yeq at live.com> wrote:
> 
> Mine as well including all coax and power supplies.  500 watts or QRPp right from the crematorium.  Will this stuff incinerate?
> 
> 73,
> Bill
> K9YEQ
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Clay Autery
> Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2017 12:20 PM
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Frustration with Elecraft
> 
> I'm taking mine with me when I go!!!  <big wink>
> 
> ______________________
> Clay Autery, KY5G
> 
>> On 6/13/2017 12:08 PM, rich hurd WC3T wrote:
>> short of my QSYing to another plane of existence
> 
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From n6kr at elecraft.com  Wed Jun 14 18:07:47 2017
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2017 15:07:47 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] [Kx3][Kx2] AFX MD Delay
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	<CACM_Ob+nq+bg1ZHsHAiiX8-s27GytNN5kW9AxbJn_P8OEK+pxQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<9BFEC15E-CA2D-4F5C-9E5C-953194144DD3@elecraft.com>
	<CACM_ObLrYQV8UJCPofvV1saUg=wn63whR+QMDmDb_-7WiYtYRw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4ADF5E72-0192-4FCF-98B0-8747AF547DB3@elecraft.com>


> On Jun 14, 2017, at 2:55 PM, Hajo Dezelski <dl1sdz at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Thanks Wayne,
> 
> so this is kind of binaural simulation. Well done!


That?s the nerdy term, yes :)

We provide this on the K3, K3S, KX3, and KX2.

73,
Wayne
N6KR


> 
> 73 de
> Hajo dl1sdz
> 
> Am 14.06.2017 11:43 nachm. schrieb "Wayne Burdick" <n6kr at elecraft.com>:
> Hi Hajo,
> 
> ?Delay? mode uses simulated stereo. This is achieved by delaying the right-channel audio by a small amount with respect to the left channel. Your brain interprets this as stereo because, in the real world, sounds arrive at your ears at different times.
> 
> In practice this can greatly reduce listening fatigue. Note that it works with dual external speakers as well.
> 
> Wayne
> N6KR
> 
> 
> 
> > On Jun 14, 2017, at 1:51 PM, Hajo Dezelski <dl1sdz at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > I have the delay always on, but as much my ears creep into the headphones I
> > couldn't explain how it is done. Any hints?
> >
> > It sounds like K3 diversity reception without a second antenna.
> >
> > 73 de
> >
> > Hajo dl1sdz
> >
> > ---
> > Cela est bien dit, mais il faut cultiver notre jardin.
> >
> >
> > http://hajos-kontrapunkte.blogspot.de/
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From cautery at montac.com  Wed Jun 14 18:07:50 2017
From: cautery at montac.com (Clay Autery)
Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2017 17:07:50 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Frustration with Elecraft
In-Reply-To: <E6402730-90C7-4FDD-B471-2085A2930D9F@widomaker.com>
References: <CAMSnVtjD2mFkXSksssco+zCmT2eMQweLL2jNLURtQvSdupOLBg@mail.gmail.com>
	<89D1A3CF-C1DF-47A1-A1DA-FF1AEA5C6D9E@elecraft.com>
	<909B1A0524AC4655BE1D749A47F23228@G4GNXLaptop>
	<cbf9c81a-24dc-d93d-c6a7-8d28e65ebd15@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<6157E111-8C21-4B9A-AFC4-3D34DA265714@elecraft.com>
	<CABYU7Wi_-Li3=2KGe50=bXuwUJ=-y7ZMWuxcA3Vqw+kGuB5XpA@mail.gmail.com>
	<4ab1a201-2d75-665d-acb4-269e795e30a4@montac.com>
	<RO1P152MB09072D2AB90A0ABB60C8929A9CC30@RO1P152MB0907.LAMP152.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
	<E6402730-90C7-4FDD-B471-2085A2930D9F@widomaker.com>
Message-ID: <36f57724-b3b8-d291-372a-e68d3303a354@montac.com>

I'll join a kickstarter... but I require an N-Connector and Shielded
CAT-7 jacks.    :)

______________________
Clay Autery, KY5G

On 6/14/2017 4:58 PM, Nr4c wrote:
> Hurry!
>
> Be among the first to get in on the ground floor of a promising business venture!
>
> Cemetery Urns, complete with SO-239 and network jack. 
>
> Sent from my iPhone
> ...nr4c. bill
>
>
>> On Jun 13, 2017, at 9:22 PM, Bill Johnson <k9yeq at live.com> wrote:
>>
>> Mine as well including all coax and power supplies.  500 watts or QRPp right from the crematorium.  Will this stuff incinerate?
>>
>> 73,
>> Bill
>> K9YEQ
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Clay Autery
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2017 12:20 PM
>> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Frustration with Elecraft
>>
>> I'm taking mine with me when I go!!!  <big wink>
>>
>> ______________________
>> Clay Autery, KY5G
>>
>>> On 6/13/2017 12:08 PM, rich hurd WC3T wrote:
>>> short of my QSYing to another plane of existence


From k9yeq at live.com  Wed Jun 14 18:24:12 2017
From: k9yeq at live.com (Bill Johnson)
Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2017 22:24:12 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Frustration with Elecraft - way off topic but funny.
Message-ID: <RO1P152MB090737DC8FEE860AC2A4B6019CC30@RO1P152MB0907.LAMP152.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

What about fiber optics as well.  I think we are off to a great start.  I will not respond further as this is off topic.

73,
Bill
K9YEQ

-----Original Message-----
From: Clay Autery [mailto:cautery at montac.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2017 5:08 PM
To: Nr4c <nr4c at widomaker.com>; Bill Johnson <k9yeq at live.com>
Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Frustration with Elecraft

I'll join a kickstarter... but I require an N-Connector and Shielded
CAT-7 jacks.    :)

______________________
Clay Autery, KY5G

On 6/14/2017 4:58 PM, Nr4c wrote:
> Hurry!
>
> Be among the first to get in on the ground floor of a promising business venture!
>
> Cemetery Urns, complete with SO-239 and network jack. 
>
> Sent from my iPhone
> ...nr4c. bill
>
>
>> On Jun 13, 2017, at 9:22 PM, Bill Johnson <k9yeq at live.com> wrote:
>>
>> Mine as well including all coax and power supplies.  500 watts or QRPp right from the crematorium.  Will this stuff incinerate?
>>
>> 73,
>> Bill
>> K9YEQ
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Clay Autery
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2017 12:20 PM
>> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Frustration with Elecraft
>>
>> I'm taking mine with me when I go!!!  <big wink>
>>
>> ______________________
>> Clay Autery, KY5G
>>
>>> On 6/13/2017 12:08 PM, rich hurd WC3T wrote:
>>> short of my QSYing to another plane of existence


From alsopb at comcast.net  Wed Jun 14 18:47:46 2017
From: alsopb at comcast.net (brian)
Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2017 22:47:46 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Why not fiber optic interconnects
Message-ID: <5941BD12.20200@comcast.net>

??

It seems that this RFI pickup proof type of interconnect would be of help.

Of course, making up the cables would be a task.

I'd personally like all cables except coax, power and ground to go this 
route in the future.

73 de Brian/K3KO

From ghyoungman at gmail.com  Wed Jun 14 18:53:46 2017
From: ghyoungman at gmail.com (GRANT YOUNGMAN)
Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2017 18:53:46 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Why not fiber optic interconnects
In-Reply-To: <5941BD12.20200@comcast.net>
References: <5941BD12.20200@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <ED757F97-5173-4A13-A353-4D21A8BA3DC4@gmail.com>

Probably a good idea?  But those darn FO cables are REALLY hard to crimp or solder ? ;-)


> It seems that this RFI pickup proof type of interconnect would be of help.
> 
> Of course, making up the cables would be a task.
> 
> I'd personally like all cables except coax, power and ground to go this route in the future.
> 
> 

Grant NQ5T
K3 #2091, KX3 #8342




From eric at elecraft.com  Wed Jun 14 18:59:18 2017
From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft)
Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2017 15:59:18 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Why not fiber optic interconnects
In-Reply-To: <ED757F97-5173-4A13-A353-4D21A8BA3DC4@gmail.com>
References: <5941BD12.20200@comcast.net>
	<ED757F97-5173-4A13-A353-4D21A8BA3DC4@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4561174e-bed6-e866-6f13-2d84a45ed50b@elecraft.com>

We are drifting a little too far afield in the OT realm. ;-)  Especially in the 
light of the huge number of -long- OT topics this week.
Lets close this OT thread before it gets out of control to give our readers a 
well needed rest.

73,
Eric
Moderator and chief cheerleader..
/elecraft.com/

On 6/14/2017 3:53 PM, GRANT YOUNGMAN wrote:
> Probably a good idea?  But those darn FO cables are REALLY hard to crimp or solder ? ;-)
>
>
>> It seems that this RFI pickup proof type of interconnect would be of help.
>>
>> Of course, making up the cables would be a task.
>>
>> I'd personally like all cables except coax, power and ground to go this route in the future.
>>
>>
> Grant NQ5T
> K3 #2091, KX3 #8342
>
>
>
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From nb8f at nb8f.com  Wed Jun 14 20:01:20 2017
From: nb8f at nb8f.com (NB8F)
Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2017 17:01:20 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] ACOM 600S & K3S
Message-ID: <1497484880943-7631746.post@n2.nabble.com>

I just recently purchased the K3S. 

I am curious if anyone else uses an ACOM 600S as their amplifier. If so I am
interested in any settings for the radio or amp that you use to make it
work.

Previously on the Flex I had an USB to RS-232 cable that went to the ACOM
and performed auto band switching. Currently with the K3S I am getting
something like "Power expected at wrong time." I have not dug into this
problem deeply yet, but figured I would reach out to the group and see if
anyone else uses this combination and what your settings are.

Thank you so much.



-----
NB8F - Andy
Elecraft K3S - #11282 / KX2 - #1791
Elecraft owner since June 2017
Ham since March 2015
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From nb8f at nb8f.com  Wed Jun 14 20:02:48 2017
From: nb8f at nb8f.com (NB8F)
Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2017 17:02:48 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] SKED to Tune K3S
Message-ID: <1497484968960-7631747.post@n2.nabble.com>

I was curious if anyone was interested in scheduling a QSO to help me update
audio settings and other settings on a new K3S.  I have friends near by but
would like to get the audio fine tuned by someone who can hear it on the air
(I don't have 80M/160M for a close contact). 

Thanks.




-----
NB8F - Andy
Elecraft K3S - #11282 / KX2 - #1791
Elecraft owner since June 2017
Ham since March 2015
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From robert.forster at gmail.com  Wed Jun 14 20:06:04 2017
From: robert.forster at gmail.com (Robert Forster)
Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2017 18:06:04 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] [K2] No signal at TP1 during Alignment and Test Part
	2
In-Reply-To: <ead1f55a-a40a-c8d4-c13c-085972e915f7@optonline.net>
References: <CAHf6gZcBnvb448+JYw3PsZBGG4ANMSP==1bWaVPmH86L-=5=pQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<2396f799-e1fe-c035-d1d4-1c48fb852c46@embarqmail.com>
	<CAHf6gZdSZi3uWPjFL0Hc0yeJ4v+f5pG_xTe2NHCckhvUwD-eQg@mail.gmail.com>
	<5aa7f754-71c4-0cda-5185-03088e36d53c@embarqmail.com>
	<ead1f55a-a40a-c8d4-c13c-085972e915f7@optonline.net>
Message-ID: <CAHf6gZd55oOMdVkdiqE0o9BqxYHmkui9pYx3KzLRemKHkyqq-g@mail.gmail.com>

Well it was T5!  Sorry to take so long to get back but free time has been
short lately.  Lead 4 of the transformer was poorly stripped as expected.
I also think I need to run a little more heat when I'm soldering from this
point forward to make sure i get good connections made.  Thank you to
everyone who responded.  After I finish my happy dance I think I'll go make
a cocktail!

73,
Robert
AD0TA

On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 8:48 AM, Ron Manfredi <wa2eio at optonline.net> wrote:

> I agree with Don's comments on the soldering.
>
> I am not familiar with the kit, but if you had to wind the torroid
> yourself,  were you sure to remove ALL the insulation from the wire ends
> before soldering them to the board?
>
>
> 73,
>
> Ron   WA2EIO
>
>
>
>
> On 6/9/2017 10:41 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
>
>> Robert,
>>
>> I just now had time to look at your photos.  It seems to me that your
>> solder on T5 (and maybe elsewhere) looks like "balls" with convex sides.
>> That is indicitive of a solder connection that has not received enough heat.
>> A good solder connection should have a slight fillet and end up with
>> obvious solder that has flowed out entirely onto the solder pad and also up
>> onto the leads.  The edges of the solder should taper out to an almost
>> invisible edge with a concave fillet of solder between the pad and the lead.
>> See the diagrams in the Soldering Tutorial available at the Elecraft
>> website (you may have to search for it).
>>
>> I suggest you remove the solder from any connection that looks like those
>> and re-do them.  Do not apply so much solder to "pile it on" - that does no
>> good.  Heat the solder pad and lead until you can see the solder flow out
>> onto both.
>>
>> Using a small gauge solder helps.  With large diameter solder, by the
>> time you apply 'a little bit', that is already too much.  Save the large
>> solder for antenna wires.
>>
>> 73,
>> Don W3FPR
>>
>> On 6/8/2017 10:20 PM, Robert Forster wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> This should lead me to suspect T5 correct?
>>> the soldering on the underside of the board for T5 looks ok (no ring for
>>> these points but the topside of the board looks rough! I used the USB
>>> microscope and took some photos.
>>> Here: https://flic.kr/s/aHsm2aNdeG
>>>
>>>
>>>
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===

From scuba9829 at yahoo.com  Wed Jun 14 20:06:05 2017
From: scuba9829 at yahoo.com (Grady Harper)
Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2017 20:06:05 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] A question about the KXPA100.
Message-ID: <C460BFB4-7D50-4D91-B607-8D8FB876D82B@yahoo.com>

I would like to drive the amp with a tx  that shows the PTT Out line to be 250mA at 30 V (max).  Do I need to modify current and voltage from the transmitter to the KXPA100?
The Key In pin for the amp wants 5V at 1 mA.

AJ4YA
Grady

Sent from my iPad

From k9fd at flex.com  Wed Jun 14 20:16:03 2017
From: k9fd at flex.com (Merv Schweigert)
Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2017 14:16:03 -1000
Subject: [Elecraft] Frustration with Elecraft
In-Reply-To: <36f57724-b3b8-d291-372a-e68d3303a354@montac.com>
References: <CAMSnVtjD2mFkXSksssco+zCmT2eMQweLL2jNLURtQvSdupOLBg@mail.gmail.com>
	<89D1A3CF-C1DF-47A1-A1DA-FF1AEA5C6D9E@elecraft.com>
	<909B1A0524AC4655BE1D749A47F23228@G4GNXLaptop>
	<cbf9c81a-24dc-d93d-c6a7-8d28e65ebd15@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<6157E111-8C21-4B9A-AFC4-3D34DA265714@elecraft.com>
	<CABYU7Wi_-Li3=2KGe50=bXuwUJ=-y7ZMWuxcA3Vqw+kGuB5XpA@mail.gmail.com>
	<4ab1a201-2d75-665d-acb4-269e795e30a4@montac.com>
	<RO1P152MB09072D2AB90A0ABB60C8929A9CC30@RO1P152MB0907.LAMP152.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
	<E6402730-90C7-4FDD-B471-2085A2930D9F@widomaker.com>
	<36f57724-b3b8-d291-372a-e68d3303a354@montac.com>
Message-ID: <5941D1C3.6030504@flex.com>

And heat shields,  its gonna be hotter than the incinerator and bone grinder
for some..
> I'll join a kickstarter... but I require an N-Connector and Shielded
> CAT-7 jacks.    :)
>
> ______________________
> Clay Autery, KY5G
>
> On 6/14/2017 4:58 PM, Nr4c wrote:
>> Hurry!
>>
>> Be among the first to get in on the ground floor of a promising business venture!
>>
>> Cemetery Urns, complete with SO-239 and network jack.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> ...nr4c. bill
>>
>>
>>> On Jun 13, 2017, at 9:22 PM, Bill Johnson <k9yeq at live.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Mine as well including all coax and power supplies.  500 watts or QRPp right from the crematorium.  Will this stuff incinerate?
>>>
>>> 73,
>>> Bill
>>> K9YEQ
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Clay Autery
>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2017 12:20 PM
>>> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Frustration with Elecraft
>>>
>>> I'm taking mine with me when I go!!!  <big wink>
>>>
>>> ______________________
>>> Clay Autery, KY5G
>>>
>>>> On 6/13/2017 12:08 PM, rich hurd WC3T wrote:
>>>> short of my QSYing to another plane of existence
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From wlbaber at bellsouth.net  Wed Jun 14 21:33:42 2017
From: wlbaber at bellsouth.net (WILLIE BABER)
Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2017 01:33:42 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] Frustration with Elecraft
References: <2095755906.5576381.1497490422552.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <2095755906.5576381.1497490422552@mail.yahoo.com>

Maybe there are two levels of frustration....regular frustration, especially if you have ONE radio that isn't working, and you know that you will be off the air until the radio is fixed....and you will miss an operating event!  This is normal.

The second level of frustration is getting the radio fixed in a timely fashion.  Elecraft will allow us to fix our own radios if we have the skill to do it with technical assistance.  I have done this several times with my K3 x 2 (so2r), with detailed instructions that almost anyone can follow, from an Elecraft technician.  This saves lots of time in getting the radio working properly again. 

However, when I could not repair the PA in my nearly purchased K3 via instructions from a technician, I sent in the PA module only.  The technician couldn't fix it in a timely fashion either so I was sent another PA that solved the problem.  However, this was a two or three week long experience until I finally got another PA. No problem for me because I had other radios, so I wasn't at all frustrated by the time factor.  Of course I had no doubt that Elecraft would fix the PA.

I experienced the same kind of support in completing Elecraft k2 100 that I purchased years ago but I didn't complete building until some years later.  There were lots of mods to do as I purchased a field-test unit.  I got every one of the mods in place, including the much needed keying modification.  And, for the most part, I didn't have to bother Elecraft technicians to finish K2.  Every issue I had with K2 was resolved by searching archived Elecraft emails!

I like Elecraft because we (or yours truly) can be part of the repair-solution compared to the black-box approach that forces you to "send it in" for repair, no matter what is the problem. And then wait.

Now, if you are new to ham radio and don't have much knowledge about radios, then this silver-lining to Elecraft service may not be as obvious.

73, Will, wj9b
K2, and K3/P3 x 2


CWops #1085
CWA Advisor levels II and III
http://cwops.org/

--------------------------------------------
On Tue, 6/13/17, Gary Smith <Gary at ka1j.com> wrote:

 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Frustration with Elecraft
 To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
 Date: Tuesday, June 13, 2017, 11:25 AM
 
 Andy,
 
 Just to be another to chime in on the 
 bandwagon, This is the kind of response 
 that Elecraft has been doing since I first 
 bought my K3 kit in 98 I think it was.
 
 I now have a fully loaded K3s,
 a backup 
 K3, fully loaded P3 and a K-Pod.
 My 
 amplifier is an Alpha 77SX but I am 
 seriously considering going for the 
 upcoming Elecraft SS 1500W amp. The only 
 thing that could pry the 77SX out of my 
 fingers would be a full limit Elecraft 
 amp. I have come to equate Elecraft with 
 integrity and quality.
 
 You will enjoy your radios and you will 
 have fun discovering all the hidden 
 nuggets your radios have waiting for you 
 to uncover.
 
 73,
 
 Gary
 KA1J
 
 
 > Wayne,
 > 
 > Thanks for the quick response and
 action!
 > 
 > I look
 forward to having a great field day.
 >
 
 > 
 > 
 > -----
 > NB8F - Andy
 > Elecraft K3S / KX2
 >
 User since June 2017
 > Ham since March
 2015
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From wunder at wunderwood.org  Wed Jun 14 21:44:44 2017
From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood)
Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2017 18:44:44 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Frustration with Elecraft
In-Reply-To: <2095755906.5576381.1497490422552@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <2095755906.5576381.1497490422552.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<2095755906.5576381.1497490422552@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <697791EE-10D7-43BB-A92D-C3618ABC2D13@wunderwood.org>

> On Jun 14, 2017, at 6:33 PM, WILLIE BABER <wlbaber at bellsouth.net> wrote:
> 
> There were lots of mods to do as I purchased a field-test unit.

I know the thread is closed, but I?ve been an engineer for more than three decades and I?ve never heard of a manufacturer offering support for a field test unit. Dang.

wunder
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CM87wj
http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog)


From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Wed Jun 14 22:02:48 2017
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2017 22:02:48 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Frustration with Elecraft
In-Reply-To: <697791EE-10D7-43BB-A92D-C3618ABC2D13@wunderwood.org>
References: <2095755906.5576381.1497490422552.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<2095755906.5576381.1497490422552@mail.yahoo.com>
	<697791EE-10D7-43BB-A92D-C3618ABC2D13@wunderwood.org>
Message-ID: <adb9b5ef-0b21-bd9b-e28d-e00e5a9e065f@embarqmail.com>

Elecraft offers support for the K2, K1, KX1, K3, K3S, KX3, KX2 and XV 
series transverters, even if they were Field Test models.

The Field Test K2s differ from the Rev A models with slight differences. 
  If anyone is upgrading a Field Test K2, I would be happy to help with 
a few hints.  I have upgraded several Field Test K2s.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 6/14/2017 9:44 PM, Walter Underwood wrote:
>> On Jun 14, 2017, at 6:33 PM, WILLIE BABER <wlbaber at bellsouth.net> wrote:
>>
>> There were lots of mods to do as I purchased a field-test unit.
> 
> I know the thread is closed, but I?ve been an engineer for more than three decades and I?ve never heard of a manufacturer offering support for a field test unit. Dang.

From jimk0xu at gmail.com  Thu Jun 15 07:39:54 2017
From: jimk0xu at gmail.com (Jim Rhodes)
Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2017 06:39:54 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] A question about the KXPA100.
In-Reply-To: <C460BFB4-7D50-4D91-B607-8D8FB876D82B@yahoo.com>
References: <C460BFB4-7D50-4D91-B607-8D8FB876D82B@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CALhxr4ZvJW0aYKjdFPefSo+va1UcMo6hOwd_FShj1Q8DO1_APA@mail.gmail.com>

The KXPA100 has 5v on the key line and is activated by a closure to ground.
Current upon closure is only about 1ma. You seem to make it sound like your
radio has a voltage on the key out port, this would be unusual in modern
rigs. Most rigs provide a closure to ground to key the amp. It seems likely
to me that your radio is rated to handle up to 30v on the key port and a
current of up to 250ma. This would mean that the rig would have no problem
handling the 5v at 1ma from the KXPA100. However if the rig truly measures
30v (or actually any voltage) on the key port you would need some kind of
relay or other switching circuit to provide the closure to ground to key
the KXPA100.

On Wed, Jun 14, 2017 at 7:06 PM, Grady Harper via Elecraft <
elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:

> I would like to drive the amp with a tx  that shows the PTT Out line to be
> 250mA at 30 V (max).  Do I need to modify current and voltage from the
> transmitter to the KXPA100?
> The Key In pin for the amp wants 5V at 1 mA.
>
> AJ4YA
> Grady
>
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From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Thu Jun 15 08:17:36 2017
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2017 08:17:36 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] A question about the KXPA100.
In-Reply-To: <C460BFB4-7D50-4D91-B607-8D8FB876D82B@yahoo.com>
References: <C460BFB4-7D50-4D91-B607-8D8FB876D82B@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <b9ae96d0-80ed-cb16-0df8-b30f0b1ba14a@embarqmail.com>

Grady,

Is that "250mA at 30 V (max)" the listing in the rig's specifications?
If so, it says that the rig's rating for its KEYOUT (or PTT Out) is the 
maximum it can tolerate without damage.  It normally would be a closure 
to ground (either through a saturated transistor or FET or relay 
points), and source no voltage of its own.

You can easily check that by putting your DMM probe between the PTT Out 
jack and ground.  First set your DMM to read voltage and do a quick 
transmit.  If my guess is right, your DMM will read zero volts when in 
either receive or transmit - proof that the rig does not source voltage 
on its PTT Out jack.  That spec rating is only the maximum voltage and 
current that it can handle from an external device.

If all that is true, then set the DMM to read ohms, and then put it in 
transmit.  The DMM is expected to indicate very nearly zero ohms.

If those things check out as expected you are "good to go".  The KXPA100 
will source 5 volts with a current of 1mA when the KEYIN jack is 
shorted.  That does not exceed either the voltage nor the maximum 
current rating for your rig.

Nothing is needed other than the connecting cable.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 6/14/2017 8:06 PM, Grady Harper via Elecraft wrote:
> I would like to drive the amp with a tx  that shows the PTT Out line to be 250mA at 30 V (max).  Do I need to modify current and voltage from the transmitter to the KXPA100?
> The Key In pin for the amp wants 5V at 1 mA.
> 

From w6jhb at me.com  Thu Jun 15 14:46:42 2017
From: w6jhb at me.com (James Bennett)
Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2017 11:46:42 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Remote Operating Time Sync
Message-ID: <EB2FF4FC-1251-4B09-AF7C-28CA6AD71749@me.com>

I have a MacBook Pro Retina Display running Sierra 10.12.5 that I use with my KX3 when operating portable. Part of my operating is done with WSJT-X, for JT65 and JT9 modes. This software is very time sync critical - the computer clock needs to be within +- one second accuracy. Here at home on my wireless network connected to our cable company, works great.
 
However, a recent trip to the southern Philippines as DU8/W6JHB with this equipment was an eye-opener. I completely forgot that the laptop clock would not keep that sort of accuracy without having Internet access. I saw many signals, but WSJT-X decoded nothing at first. Luckily I realized what was happening and was able to access and connect to the WiFi network at the resort we were staying at. This connection provided the accuracy the software needed and all was good.
 
But - when we return on our next "vacation" we may not have the luxury of a resort having WiFi for it's guests. So, I'm looking for some sort of device that I can use to keep the laptop clock accurate. Internet access would be a bonus, but of most importance is that internal clock.
 
Any suggestions? By the way, a mega-buck device is pretty much out of the question. Just ask my wife... :-)

73, Jim

Jim Bennett / W6JHB
Folsom, CA







From wunder at wunderwood.org  Thu Jun 15 14:57:55 2017
From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood)
Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2017 11:57:55 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Remote Operating Time Sync
In-Reply-To: <EB2FF4FC-1251-4B09-AF7C-28CA6AD71749@me.com>
References: <EB2FF4FC-1251-4B09-AF7C-28CA6AD71749@me.com>
Message-ID: <9A61E777-F744-4BA2-8007-B43C95C6238C@wunderwood.org>

Can you get internet by tethering to your phone? If so, the computer should sync with NTP pretty quickly, then hold to within a second while you are operating.

You might be able to force a sync by opening the Date & Time control panel in System Preferences. MacOS uses NTP by default. If that doesn?t work, I?d unlock the panel, uncheck ?Set date and time automatically?, then recheck it.

If you are of the shell persuasion, this will do the trick.

sudo ntpdate -u time.apple.com

wunder
K6WRU
Walter Underwood
CM87wj
http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog)

> On Jun 15, 2017, at 11:46 AM, James Bennett <w6jhb at me.com> wrote:
> 
> I have a MacBook Pro Retina Display running Sierra 10.12.5 that I use with my KX3 when operating portable. Part of my operating is done with WSJT-X, for JT65 and JT9 modes. This software is very time sync critical - the computer clock needs to be within +- one second accuracy. Here at home on my wireless network connected to our cable company, works great.
> 
> However, a recent trip to the southern Philippines as DU8/W6JHB with this equipment was an eye-opener. I completely forgot that the laptop clock would not keep that sort of accuracy without having Internet access. I saw many signals, but WSJT-X decoded nothing at first. Luckily I realized what was happening and was able to access and connect to the WiFi network at the resort we were staying at. This connection provided the accuracy the software needed and all was good.
> 
> But - when we return on our next "vacation" we may not have the luxury of a resort having WiFi for it's guests. So, I'm looking for some sort of device that I can use to keep the laptop clock accurate. Internet access would be a bonus, but of most importance is that internal clock.
> 
> Any suggestions? By the way, a mega-buck device is pretty much out of the question. Just ask my wife... :-)
> 
> 73, Jim
> 
> Jim Bennett / W6JHB
> Folsom, CA
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From m.matthew.george at gmail.com  Thu Jun 15 14:59:54 2017
From: m.matthew.george at gmail.com (Matthew George)
Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2017 12:59:54 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] Remote Operating Time Sync
In-Reply-To: <EB2FF4FC-1251-4B09-AF7C-28CA6AD71749@me.com>
References: <EB2FF4FC-1251-4B09-AF7C-28CA6AD71749@me.com>
Message-ID: <94960668-1C6E-4700-B75C-0D412FDAEB6C@gmail.com>

Tune in to wwv and synchronize your clock.  The jt modes will be fine even if you are a second or two off.  Or get a gps and synch to the gps clock via nema.  Use google and search on all your options.  You could setup nptd on your mac and use a pps signal from a gps too.  Max Ng7m 

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> On Jun 15, 2017, at 12:46 PM, James Bennett <w6jhb at me.com> wrote:
> 
> I have a MacBook Pro Retina Display running Sierra 10.12.5 that I use with my KX3 when operating portable. Part of my operating is done with WSJT-X, for JT65 and JT9 modes. This software is very time sync critical - the computer clock needs to be within +- one second accuracy. Here at home on my wireless network connected to our cable company, works great.
> 
> However, a recent trip to the southern Philippines as DU8/W6JHB with this equipment was an eye-opener. I completely forgot that the laptop clock would not keep that sort of accuracy without having Internet access. I saw many signals, but WSJT-X decoded nothing at first. Luckily I realized what was happening and was able to access and connect to the WiFi network at the resort we were staying at. This connection provided the accuracy the software needed and all was good.
> 
> But - when we return on our next "vacation" we may not have the luxury of a resort having WiFi for it's guests. So, I'm looking for some sort of device that I can use to keep the laptop clock accurate. Internet access would be a bonus, but of most importance is that internal clock.
> 
> Any suggestions? By the way, a mega-buck device is pretty much out of the question. Just ask my wife... :-)
> 
> 73, Jim
> 
> Jim Bennett / W6JHB
> Folsom, CA
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From marvwheeler at nwlink.com  Thu Jun 15 15:12:06 2017
From: marvwheeler at nwlink.com (Marvin Wheeler)
Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2017 12:12:06 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft]  Remote Operating Time Sync
Message-ID: <000001d2e60b$48377b30$d8a67190$@nwlink.com>

Jim:

 

I would suggest a device that syncs with the gps system. I think it would be
far more reliable to receive a signal than one from WWV with propagation the
way it is.



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From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Thu Jun 15 15:28:57 2017
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2017 12:28:57 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Remote Operating Time Sync
In-Reply-To: <94960668-1C6E-4700-B75C-0D412FDAEB6C@gmail.com>
References: <EB2FF4FC-1251-4B09-AF7C-28CA6AD71749@me.com>
	<94960668-1C6E-4700-B75C-0D412FDAEB6C@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9cb56e8d-36de-3785-f6fe-c9815984ba00@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On Thu,6/15/2017 11:59 AM, Matthew George wrote:
>   The jt modes will be fine even if you are a second or two off.

Two seconds is stretching it. I've seen very strong JT65 signals that 
don't decode with a time error of 1.7 sec!

73, Jim K9YC


From kevin at k4vd.net  Thu Jun 15 15:23:40 2017
From: kevin at k4vd.net (Kevin - K4VD)
Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2017 15:23:40 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Remote Operating Time Sync
In-Reply-To: <94960668-1C6E-4700-B75C-0D412FDAEB6C@gmail.com>
References: <EB2FF4FC-1251-4B09-AF7C-28CA6AD71749@me.com>
	<94960668-1C6E-4700-B75C-0D412FDAEB6C@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFA9ujti5uH+wLaCMB6VVQUfZetxnCpoPz3Uwx_e=0CtEvKSdQ@mail.gmail.com>

I have found myself in this situation. WSJT-X shows absolute time
differences between your clock and remote stations. I takes me a little
fiddling but I found I can adjust my computer clock manually to get the
WSJT-X reported time differences down to less than a second. No Internet or
external devices needed.

Not sure about Apple products. In Windows 10 you need to go to additional
date, time, & regional settings to get to where you can adjust the seconds.

I hope there's a helpful clue in this.

73,
Kev K4VD

On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 2:59 PM, Matthew George <m.matthew.george at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Tune in to wwv and synchronize your clock.  The jt modes will be fine even
> if you are a second or two off.  Or get a gps and synch to the gps clock
> via nema.  Use google and search on all your options.  You could setup nptd
> on your mac and use a pps signal from a gps too.  Max Ng7m
>
> --
> Matthew George
> 801-560-8754
>
> > On Jun 15, 2017, at 12:46 PM, James Bennett <w6jhb at me.com> wrote:
> >
> > I have a MacBook Pro Retina Display running Sierra 10.12.5 that I use
> with my KX3 when operating portable. Part of my operating is done with
> WSJT-X, for JT65 and JT9 modes. This software is very time sync critical -
> the computer clock needs to be within +- one second accuracy. Here at home
> on my wireless network connected to our cable company, works great.
> >
> > However, a recent trip to the southern Philippines as DU8/W6JHB with
> this equipment was an eye-opener. I completely forgot that the laptop clock
> would not keep that sort of accuracy without having Internet access. I saw
> many signals, but WSJT-X decoded nothing at first. Luckily I realized what
> was happening and was able to access and connect to the WiFi network at the
> resort we were staying at. This connection provided the accuracy the
> software needed and all was good.
> >
> > But - when we return on our next "vacation" we may not have the luxury
> of a resort having WiFi for it's guests. So, I'm looking for some sort of
> device that I can use to keep the laptop clock accurate. Internet access
> would be a bonus, but of most importance is that internal clock.
> >
> > Any suggestions? By the way, a mega-buck device is pretty much out of
> the question. Just ask my wife... :-)
> >
> > 73, Jim
> >
> > Jim Bennett / W6JHB
> > Folsom, CA
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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From wa6nhc at gmail.com  Thu Jun 15 16:13:40 2017
From: wa6nhc at gmail.com (Rick WA6NHC)
Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2017 13:13:40 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Remote Operating Time Sync
In-Reply-To: <9cb56e8d-36de-3785-f6fe-c9815984ba00@audiosystemsgroup.com>
References: <EB2FF4FC-1251-4B09-AF7C-28CA6AD71749@me.com>
	<94960668-1C6E-4700-B75C-0D412FDAEB6C@gmail.com>
	<9cb56e8d-36de-3785-f6fe-c9815984ba00@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Message-ID: <f6b722e6-c048-d0a6-656f-745bcfc5b2c0@gmail.com>

Makes sense.  Originally written for EME, that transit time is about 2.7 
seconds if my math is close... 2*250K miles/(186k/s)... plus some 
processing moments, a few ms for amp relays.  A larger window would be 
problematic.

Rick wa6nhc/7


On 6/15/2017 12:28 PM, Jim Brown wrote:
> On Thu,6/15/2017 11:59 AM, Matthew George wrote:
>>   The jt modes will be fine even if you are a second or two off.
>
> Two seconds is stretching it. I've seen very strong JT65 signals that 
> don't decode with a time error of 1.7 sec!
>
> 73, Jim K9YC
>
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From morrellm at att.net  Thu Jun 15 16:27:24 2017
From: morrellm at att.net (Mike Morrell)
Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2017 16:27:24 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Wire size for the ground on the KX2
Message-ID: <000201d2e615$cd20db70$67629250$@att.net>

Given the small size of the mini banana plug for KX2 ground connection ,
what size wire are folks using ; assuming ease of transport , etc. 

Thanks,


Mike K8KE


From w6jhb at me.com  Thu Jun 15 16:51:54 2017
From: w6jhb at me.com (James Bennett)
Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2017 13:51:54 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Remote Operating Time Sync
In-Reply-To: <f6b722e6-c048-d0a6-656f-745bcfc5b2c0@gmail.com>
References: <EB2FF4FC-1251-4B09-AF7C-28CA6AD71749@me.com>
	<94960668-1C6E-4700-B75C-0D412FDAEB6C@gmail.com>
	<9cb56e8d-36de-3785-f6fe-c9815984ba00@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<f6b722e6-c048-d0a6-656f-745bcfc5b2c0@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2F7465E1-5E3A-4733-8201-B016CDB1DE2D@me.com>

Folks, thanks for the ideas! Tethering to my iPhone would work IF there was cell service. In many parts of Mindanao where we may go, the cell service is either spotty or nonexistent, so I would not want to rely on that. Also, WWV/WWVB/WWVH reception is not guaranteed. When I was there in April, I heard absolutely ZERO signals on CW on any of the ham bands - very strange! But when I moved to the JT-x frequencies, I got signals. So, I?m thinking my best bet would be to go with some sort of GPS/NTP arrangement. To that end, I?ve ordered a copy of the ARRL Arduino book one of you pointed out to me. Worth a shot. I haven?t used one of the Arduino units yet, but my WSJT-X operating here at home in Folsom is 100% powered by a Raspberry Pi 3, so I am familar with using the little micro?s. 

Sounds like a fun indoor construction project for the upcoming ugly-hot summer months in northern CA!

73, Jim / W6JHB

Jim Bennett
Folsom, CA




From josh at voodoolab.com  Thu Jun 15 17:14:45 2017
From: josh at voodoolab.com (Josh)
Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2017 14:14:45 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Remote Operating Time Sync
In-Reply-To: <2F7465E1-5E3A-4733-8201-B016CDB1DE2D@me.com>
References: <EB2FF4FC-1251-4B09-AF7C-28CA6AD71749@me.com>
	<94960668-1C6E-4700-B75C-0D412FDAEB6C@gmail.com>
	<9cb56e8d-36de-3785-f6fe-c9815984ba00@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<f6b722e6-c048-d0a6-656f-745bcfc5b2c0@gmail.com>
	<2F7465E1-5E3A-4733-8201-B016CDB1DE2D@me.com>
Message-ID: <02D2A8B7-3D13-4022-A260-BC541D8ADBE9@voodoolab.com>

I just set this up at K6QXY's place and it worked great. Accuracy is much better than what's required for JT65. We got a GlobalSat BR-355-S4 USB GPS receiver ($30) and a $20 software package from visualgps.net for Windows. I don't know of a MacOS version, but haven't looked. 

I expected to have to mount the "puck" receiver outside, but it saw many satellites and worked fine just sitting on a table indoors. 

73,
Josh W6XU

Sent from my mobile device

> On Jun 15, 2017, at 1:51 PM, James Bennett <w6jhb at me.com> wrote:
> 
> Folks, thanks for the ideas! Tethering to my iPhone would work IF there was cell service. In many parts of Mindanao where we may go, the cell service is either spotty or nonexistent, so I would not want to rely on that. Also, WWV/WWVB/WWVH reception is not guaranteed. When I was there in April, I heard absolutely ZERO signals on CW on any of the ham bands - very strange! But when I moved to the JT-x frequencies, I got signals. So, I?m thinking my best bet would be to go with some sort of GPS/NTP arrangement. To that end, I?ve ordered a copy of the ARRL Arduino book one of you pointed out to me. Worth a shot. I haven?t used one of the Arduino units yet, but my WSJT-X operating here at home in Folsom is 100% powered by a Raspberry Pi 3, so I am familar with using the little micro?s. 
> 
> Sounds like a fun indoor construction project for the upcoming ugly-hot summer months in northern CA!
> 
> 73, Jim / W6JHB
> 
> Jim Bennett
> Folsom, CA
> 
> 
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From ppauly at gmail.com  Thu Jun 15 17:22:12 2017
From: ppauly at gmail.com (Peter Pauly)
Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2017 17:22:12 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Remote Operating Time Sync
In-Reply-To: <02D2A8B7-3D13-4022-A260-BC541D8ADBE9@voodoolab.com>
References: <EB2FF4FC-1251-4B09-AF7C-28CA6AD71749@me.com>
	<94960668-1C6E-4700-B75C-0D412FDAEB6C@gmail.com>
	<9cb56e8d-36de-3785-f6fe-c9815984ba00@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<f6b722e6-c048-d0a6-656f-745bcfc5b2c0@gmail.com>
	<2F7465E1-5E3A-4733-8201-B016CDB1DE2D@me.com>
	<02D2A8B7-3D13-4022-A260-BC541D8ADBE9@voodoolab.com>
Message-ID: <CAKXfWbT1q15UMhSvOf2pF5J1ik0QQMYhAK=Zvq=7hUGpF8VU+A@mail.gmail.com>

I bought this for getting the time from GPS satelites while operating
remote...it's only about an inch wide and has a time display:

https://www.tindie.com/products/PhoenixCNC/olediuno-gps-cube/

On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 5:14 PM, Josh <josh at voodoolab.com> wrote:

> I just set this up at K6QXY's place and it worked great. Accuracy is much
> better than what's required for JT65. We got a GlobalSat BR-355-S4 USB GPS
> receiver ($30) and a $20 software package from visualgps.net for Windows.
> I don't know of a MacOS version, but haven't looked.
>
> I expected to have to mount the "puck" receiver outside, but it saw many
> satellites and worked fine just sitting on a table indoors.
>
> 73,
> Josh W6XU
>
> Sent from my mobile device
>
> > On Jun 15, 2017, at 1:51 PM, James Bennett <w6jhb at me.com> wrote:
> >
> > Folks, thanks for the ideas! Tethering to my iPhone would work IF there
> was cell service. In many parts of Mindanao where we may go, the cell
> service is either spotty or nonexistent, so I would not want to rely on
> that. Also, WWV/WWVB/WWVH reception is not guaranteed. When I was there in
> April, I heard absolutely ZERO signals on CW on any of the ham bands - very
> strange! But when I moved to the JT-x frequencies, I got signals. So, I?m
> thinking my best bet would be to go with some sort of GPS/NTP arrangement.
> To that end, I?ve ordered a copy of the ARRL Arduino book one of you
> pointed out to me. Worth a shot. I haven?t used one of the Arduino units
> yet, but my WSJT-X operating here at home in Folsom is 100% powered by a
> Raspberry Pi 3, so I am familar with using the little micro?s.
> >
> > Sounds like a fun indoor construction project for the upcoming ugly-hot
> summer months in northern CA!
> >
> > 73, Jim / W6JHB
> >
> > Jim Bennett
> > Folsom, CA
> >
> >
> >
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From m.matthew.george at gmail.com  Thu Jun 15 17:23:34 2017
From: m.matthew.george at gmail.com (M. George)
Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2017 15:23:34 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] Remote Operating Time Sync
In-Reply-To: <9cb56e8d-36de-3785-f6fe-c9815984ba00@audiosystemsgroup.com>
References: <EB2FF4FC-1251-4B09-AF7C-28CA6AD71749@me.com>
	<94960668-1C6E-4700-B75C-0D412FDAEB6C@gmail.com>
	<9cb56e8d-36de-3785-f6fe-c9815984ba00@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Message-ID: <CAFYRpHv8y_AT0tQ14fkyDqmnMspwgFXoSWP5tBs8KR1B0MnOTg@mail.gmail.com>

Jim, it's all a matter of how long the JT software on the receive side /
transmit side is written implemented.  It's simply a window where your
software is listening, there is nothing going on then then when to start
listening and when to stop listening / when to start transmitting and when
to stop transmitting.. The point I was trying to make was that in a pinch,
you should be able to use WWB and manually synch your clock within a
second.  All is not lost if you don't have a NTP implementation with
internet access.  Getting your clock with-in 1 second of WWB is not rocket
science if you can hear the signal, and there are other HF transmitted time
sources than WWB for other parts of the world.  Plus most OS
implementations of NTP will only sync your clock on a weekly basis and
depending on how bad your PC clock is in parts per million PPM, a week of
no synch could have you off by many seconds if not by a minutes.  Google
would be a good place to start if you are looking of manual ways to sync
your clock...  The Elecraft reflector is not the first place I would start,
but it is a way to generate a bunch of email messages and get a bunch of
opinions, there is no question about that. :)

The JT modes are so unbelievably slow and painful, you can multitask and
watch a baseball game at the same time you are working stations every 5
minutes (JT mode  water boarding at 5 minutes per Q in the best scenario).
You could do a SO8R setup and still have time to drink a cup a coffee while
you are keeping track of everytihng. ;)  With all time you have between TX
and RX, someone might want to look (google it up?) at the spec and see what
the published window is suppose to be.  And yes, of course if one station
is 2 seconds fast and another station is 2 seconds slow, you might have a
problem because the software on both ends misses the start or finish where
each station's clock is off in opposite directions.  I'm sure there are
whole JT mode related groups where you can spend hours and hours talking
about how accurate your clock should be.  It's a total yawner mode, but
hey, it's still fun at times.. I'll admit to that.  ;)

Max NG7M


On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 1:28 PM, Jim Brown <jim at audiosystemsgroup.com>
wrote:

> On Thu,6/15/2017 11:59 AM, Matthew George wrote:
>
>>   The jt modes will be fine even if you are a second or two off.
>>
>
> Two seconds is stretching it. I've seen very strong JT65 signals that
> don't decode with a time error of 1.7 sec!
>
> 73, Jim K9YC
>
>
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From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Thu Jun 15 17:25:08 2017
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2017 17:25:08 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Wire size for the ground on the KX2
In-Reply-To: <000201d2e615$cd20db70$67629250$@att.net>
References: <000201d2e615$cd20db70$67629250$@att.net>
Message-ID: <fdac2beb-b1d8-fad2-6e7d-aa6b673868f5@embarqmail.com>

Mike,

I would use #22 teflon insulated wire.  Teflon because it is 'slippery' 
and that can help with wire tangles.  Thinner wire may be lighter weight 
if you are weighing fractions of ounces, but it is quite durable. 
Anything thinner becomes more fragile.  IMHO that is a reasonable 
compromise.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 6/15/2017 4:27 PM, Mike Morrell wrote:
> Given the small size of the mini banana plug for KX2 ground connection ,
> what size wire are folks using ; assuming ease of transport , etc.

From N3ND at aol.com  Thu Jun 15 17:27:18 2017
From: N3ND at aol.com (Dan Atchison)
Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2017 17:27:18 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Seeking input on KPA1500 station configurations
Message-ID: <e27a9fba-d35c-27c4-6277-a2b2b950c275@aol.com>

Not sure if this has been suggested or not, but .  .  .  .

If you have plenty of room -- and you're not doing anything else(!), I 
think it would be interesting to have a PTT counter - a count of how 
many PTT closures during its lifetime.

73,
Dan



From va3mw at portcredit.net  Thu Jun 15 17:54:48 2017
From: va3mw at portcredit.net (Michael Walker)
Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2017 17:54:48 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Wire size for the ground on the KX2
In-Reply-To: <fdac2beb-b1d8-fad2-6e7d-aa6b673868f5@embarqmail.com>
References: <000201d2e615$cd20db70$67629250$@att.net>
	<fdac2beb-b1d8-fad2-6e7d-aa6b673868f5@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+33ts7bQz7fAk18UNK4A9P1SWqKoECd_6BfK0n-1QWSXfoHLg@mail.gmail.com>

If this is for an RF ground, you'll need bigger than 22G for it to be
effective.

Braid would be preferred.

Mike va3mw


On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 5:25 PM, Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com> wrote:

> Mike,
>
> I would use #22 teflon insulated wire.  Teflon because it is 'slippery'
> and that can help with wire tangles.  Thinner wire may be lighter weight if
> you are weighing fractions of ounces, but it is quite durable. Anything
> thinner becomes more fragile.  IMHO that is a reasonable compromise.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 6/15/2017 4:27 PM, Mike Morrell wrote:
>
>> Given the small size of the mini banana plug for KX2 ground connection ,
>> what size wire are folks using ; assuming ease of transport , etc.
>>
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From farrerfolks at yahoo.com  Thu Jun 15 18:04:31 2017
From: farrerfolks at yahoo.com (Mel Farrer)
Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2017 22:04:31 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] Wire size for the ground on the KX2
In-Reply-To: <CA+33ts7bQz7fAk18UNK4A9P1SWqKoECd_6BfK0n-1QWSXfoHLg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <000201d2e615$cd20db70$67629250$@att.net>
	<fdac2beb-b1d8-fad2-6e7d-aa6b673868f5@embarqmail.com>
	<CA+33ts7bQz7fAk18UNK4A9P1SWqKoECd_6BfK0n-1QWSXfoHLg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1048711154.13556437.1497564271881@mail.yahoo.com>

The speaker wire I use is the insulated flat stuff ~16 AWG equivalent. ?Rolls up into a nice small ball. ?I put a alligator clip on one end and a ring terminal for the KX3.
Mel, K6KBE

      From: Michael Walker <va3mw at portcredit.net>
 To: donwilh at embarqmail.com 
Cc: "Elecraft at mailman.qth.net" <Elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
 Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2017 2:58 PM
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Wire size for the ground on the KX2
   
If this is for an RF ground, you'll need bigger than 22G for it to be
effective.

Braid would be preferred.

Mike va3mw


On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 5:25 PM, Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com> wrote:

> Mike,
>
> I would use #22 teflon insulated wire.? Teflon because it is 'slippery'
> and that can help with wire tangles.? Thinner wire may be lighter weight if
> you are weighing fractions of ounces, but it is quite durable. Anything
> thinner becomes more fragile.? IMHO that is a reasonable compromise.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 6/15/2017 4:27 PM, Mike Morrell wrote:
>
>> Given the small size of the mini banana plug for KX2 ground connection ,
>> what size wire are folks using ; assuming ease of transport , etc.
>>
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From dave at ad6a.com  Thu Jun 15 18:28:37 2017
From: dave at ad6a.com (Dave AD6A)
Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2017 15:28:37 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft]  Seeking input on KPA1500 station configurations
Message-ID: <039a01d2e626$bed68040$3c8380c0$@ad6a.com>

Wayne/Eric,

 

Maybe too late, I know, but I've been thinking about my ideal desk setup for
HF/6m/2m and have come up with the following list of wants for the KPA1500
system:

 

I'd like the KPA1500 power supply consumption to be less than 1W when the PA
is "off".

 

I'd like the power supply to be able to be turned "on" by a single button
push on the front panel of the amplifier (on the desk). That is, the
less-than-1W power supply, via a push-button, operates an AC contactor in
the KPA1500's power supply unit (under the desk) to turn on the main power.

 

I'd like the power supply to be able to provide an extra clean 25A (30A?) at
13.8V via several sets (4?) of 30A Anderson PowerPoles on the back panel so
that I can run my whole HF station (K3s + P3) from just the one KPA1500
power supply and I'd like to be able to turn the power for this extra power
supply on/off from a push button on the front panel of the KPA1500 (on the
desk) or simply have it turn on/off with the main AC power contactor.

 

Other wants (not KPA1500): I'd like Elecraft to make a K3s/P3 matching
stereo speaker that is 17" wide x 4" tall x 10" deep, so that it sits neatly
underneath a K3s/P3 combo. I'm actually making my own right now, but I'd
prefer an Elecraft "branded" one.

 

Thanks for listening!

 

Cheers es 73,

Dave AD6A



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From chrisrut7 at gmail.com  Thu Jun 15 18:56:29 2017
From: chrisrut7 at gmail.com (Chris R)
Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2017 15:56:29 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] [Kx3][Kx2] AFX MD Delay
Message-ID: <CAG97cXucmC5KZWH3Nq4Rj9cWQ4RQ=Xw0tZMVU8ZJjhCx16K5eQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Wayne.

This post got me wondering: any chance the KX3's "Pitch" AFX mode can be
implemented on the K3?

My KX3 was my daily driver for a long time, but I upgraded to a K3 last
year - dual receivers, etc., amazing rig... but I do miss that AFX "Pitch"
mode...

73 Chris
NW6V


>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2017 14:43:49 -0700
> From: Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com>
> To: Hajo Dezelski <dl1sdz at gmail.com>
> Cc: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [Kx3][Kx2] AFX MD Delay
> Message-ID: <9BFEC15E-CA2D-4F5C-9E5C-953194144DD3 at elecraft.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>
> Hi Hajo,
>
> ?Delay? mode uses simulated stereo. This is achieved by delaying the
> right-channel audio by a small amount with respect to the left channel.
> Your brain interprets this as stereo because, in the real world, sounds
> arrive at your ears at different times.
>
> In practice this can greatly reduce listening fatigue. Note that it works
> with dual external speakers as well.
>
> Wayne
> N6KR
>
>
>

From nz8j at woh.rr.com  Thu Jun 15 19:06:50 2017
From: nz8j at woh.rr.com (nz8j)
Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2017 19:06:50 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] WTB: KX2
Message-ID: <E5.F8.00833.B0313495@cdptpa-omsmta03>


If you have one for sale please send details to include options included, serial number, pictures, and price shipped and insured priority mail to zip 45324.Must accept PayPal.?ThanksTimNZ8J

Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone

From m.matthew.george at gmail.com  Thu Jun 15 19:48:21 2017
From: m.matthew.george at gmail.com (M. George)
Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2017 17:48:21 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] Remote Operating Time Sync
In-Reply-To: <94960668-1C6E-4700-B75C-0D412FDAEB6C@gmail.com>
References: <EB2FF4FC-1251-4B09-AF7C-28CA6AD71749@me.com>
	<94960668-1C6E-4700-B75C-0D412FDAEB6C@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFYRpHvHF=_ih=AT422jOwH=tfe6CeNPjryoh_Dd3OM9eq-nnA@mail.gmail.com>

I should have mentioned that there is an obvious way to sync your clock for
JT mode operation... per the spec:

The JT65 protocol states that a transmission will begin at precisely 1
second into a new minute and end 46.811 seconds later.

So if you have no time source and if you can't hear WWV and you have no
internet... just sync up with the other signals you hear.  Get your clock
setting routine ready to roll for 1 second past the current minute and wait
for the beginning of a melee of signals / JT transmit cycle.  It might take
you a few tries, but you will be good to go.  It certainly doesn't need to
be perfect or in the millisecond time frame.  Use your ear and sync your
clock to one second past the current minute.

On another topic... for a couple years now I have hosted and run a Stratum
1 ntp time server (as many others around the globe have, this is nothing
new).  If you want to point to a dedicated stratum 1 NTP server that is GPS
synchronized (and runs in the low nano (yes it's in the low nano range)
second accuracy range), point your NTP configuration / Windows time sync
configuration to: time.nc7j.com  (via NTP over the internet, the best you
will do is usually mid micro second accuracy if you have a fairly low ping
time to the source... I'm in Syracuse Utah with my host IP out of Salt Lake
City for this ntp server)

You can see the status of my NTP server here: http://www.pool.ntp.org/
scores/time.nc7j.com

If you are in the US, you will get a much more accurate consistent sync
from time.nc7j.com than you would from other pooled sources.

Max NG7M

On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 12:59 PM, Matthew George <m.matthew.george at gmail.com
> wrote:

> Tune in to wwv and synchronize your clock.  The jt modes will be fine even
> if you are a second or two off.  Or get a gps and synch to the gps clock
> via nema.  Use google and search on all your options.  You could setup nptd
> on your mac and use a pps signal from a gps too.  Max Ng7m
>
> --
> Matthew George
> 801-560-8754
>
> > On Jun 15, 2017, at 12:46 PM, James Bennett <w6jhb at me.com> wrote:
> >
> > I have a MacBook Pro Retina Display running Sierra 10.12.5 that I use
> with my KX3 when operating portable. Part of my operating is done with
> WSJT-X, for JT65 and JT9 modes. This software is very time sync critical -
> the computer clock needs to be within +- one second accuracy. Here at home
> on my wireless network connected to our cable company, works great.
> >
> > However, a recent trip to the southern Philippines as DU8/W6JHB with
> this equipment was an eye-opener. I completely forgot that the laptop clock
> would not keep that sort of accuracy without having Internet access. I saw
> many signals, but WSJT-X decoded nothing at first. Luckily I realized what
> was happening and was able to access and connect to the WiFi network at the
> resort we were staying at. This connection provided the accuracy the
> software needed and all was good.
> >
> > But - when we return on our next "vacation" we may not have the luxury
> of a resort having WiFi for it's guests. So, I'm looking for some sort of
> device that I can use to keep the laptop clock accurate. Internet access
> would be a bonus, but of most importance is that internal clock.
> >
> > Any suggestions? By the way, a mega-buck device is pretty much out of
> the question. Just ask my wife... :-)
> >
> > 73, Jim
> >
> > Jim Bennett / W6JHB
> > Folsom, CA
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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From cautery at montac.com  Thu Jun 15 20:58:56 2017
From: cautery at montac.com (Clay Autery)
Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2017 19:58:56 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Remote Operating Time Sync
In-Reply-To: <000001d2e60b$48377b30$d8a67190$@nwlink.com>
References: <000001d2e60b$48377b30$d8a67190$@nwlink.com>
Message-ID: <9d225845-7cc9-b89d-8d5f-6f5871b572aa@montac.com>

Yep...  Build yourself a tiny little Stratun-1 NTP server using
Raspberry Pi and a GPS receiver...

Ideas:  http://www.satsignal.eu/ntp/Raspberry-Pi-NTP.html

______________________
Clay Autery, KY5G

On 6/15/2017 2:12 PM, Marvin Wheeler wrote:
> Jim:
>
>  
>
> I would suggest a device that syncs with the gps system. I think it would be
> far more reliable to receive a signal than one from WWV with propagation the
> way it is.
>

From inventor61 at gmail.com  Thu Jun 15 21:18:48 2017
From: inventor61 at gmail.com (inventor61 .)
Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2017 01:18:48 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] [KPA1500] A/B antenna switch function
Message-ID: <CAHmQzTkY=uRaWQDd3CfX5dRgtv2EQHkWjRpBEtuwvfq1DnFA-w@mail.gmail.com>

When the amplifier is *off* (from the front panel power control; mains AC
on) what is the function of the A/B switch?

Steve KZ1X

From cautery at montac.com  Thu Jun 15 22:17:53 2017
From: cautery at montac.com (Clay Autery)
Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2017 21:17:53 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Remote Operating Time Sync
In-Reply-To: <2F7465E1-5E3A-4733-8201-B016CDB1DE2D@me.com>
References: <EB2FF4FC-1251-4B09-AF7C-28CA6AD71749@me.com>
	<94960668-1C6E-4700-B75C-0D412FDAEB6C@gmail.com>
	<9cb56e8d-36de-3785-f6fe-c9815984ba00@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<f6b722e6-c048-d0a6-656f-745bcfc5b2c0@gmail.com>
	<2F7465E1-5E3A-4733-8201-B016CDB1DE2D@me.com>
Message-ID: <49c63e08-a1b1-e388-1bd6-cd9c04602fee@montac.com>

Personally, I think you'd be better served using Raspberry Pi approach. 
See the website I put down in my other post...  Nah, here it is
again...  Do yourself a favor and read this guy's site...

http://www.satsignal.eu/ntp/Raspberry-Pi-NTP.html

______________________
Clay Autery, KY5G

On 6/15/2017 3:51 PM, James Bennett wrote:
> So, I?m thinking my best bet would be to go with some sort of GPS/NTP arrangement. To that end, I?ve ordered a copy of the ARRL Arduino book one of you pointed out to me.


From cautery at montac.com  Thu Jun 15 22:22:43 2017
From: cautery at montac.com (Clay Autery)
Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2017 21:22:43 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Remote Operating Time Sync
In-Reply-To: <CAKXfWbT1q15UMhSvOf2pF5J1ik0QQMYhAK=Zvq=7hUGpF8VU+A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <EB2FF4FC-1251-4B09-AF7C-28CA6AD71749@me.com>
	<94960668-1C6E-4700-B75C-0D412FDAEB6C@gmail.com>
	<9cb56e8d-36de-3785-f6fe-c9815984ba00@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<f6b722e6-c048-d0a6-656f-745bcfc5b2c0@gmail.com>
	<2F7465E1-5E3A-4733-8201-B016CDB1DE2D@me.com>
	<02D2A8B7-3D13-4022-A260-BC541D8ADBE9@voodoolab.com>
	<CAKXfWbT1q15UMhSvOf2pF5J1ik0QQMYhAK=Zvq=7hUGpF8VU+A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <37e671c5-1a12-d1fc-4291-9395b6a77568@montac.com>

Interesting, but don't see a way to feed/sync time with either a
computer or the radio...

______________________
Clay Autery, KY5G

(318) 518-1389

On 6/15/2017 4:22 PM, Peter Pauly wrote:
> I bought this for getting the time from GPS satelites while operating
> remote...it's only about an inch wide and has a time display:
>
> https://www.tindie.com/products/PhoenixCNC/olediuno-gps-cube/
>

From k6dgw at foothill.net  Thu Jun 15 22:59:12 2017
From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen)
Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2017 19:59:12 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Wire size for the ground on the KX2
In-Reply-To: <000201d2e615$cd20db70$67629250$@att.net>
References: <000201d2e615$cd20db70$67629250$@att.net>
Message-ID: <d66a49e3-357a-5be3-2346-fae5d37433f4@foothill.net>

Use what fits. RF current will be on the surface which scales as 
r-squared.  Obviously larger diameter make more surface area.  If you're 
in the field, use what fits/what you have.  You'll never notice the 
difference, ANY wire is better than no wire.  It's really easy to fall 
into "Picking fly poop out of the pepper," just go and enjoy your radio.

73,

Fred ("Skip") K6DGW
Sparks NV USA
Washoe County DM09dn

On 6/15/2017 1:27 PM, Mike Morrell wrote:
> Given the small size of the mini banana plug for KX2 ground connection ,
> what size wire are folks using ; assuming ease of transport , etc.
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> Mike K8KE
>


From k9ma at sdellington.us  Thu Jun 15 23:46:48 2017
From: k9ma at sdellington.us (K9MA)
Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2017 22:46:48 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Wire size for the ground on the KX2
In-Reply-To: <d66a49e3-357a-5be3-2346-fae5d37433f4@foothill.net>
References: <000201d2e615$cd20db70$67629250$@att.net>
	<d66a49e3-357a-5be3-2346-fae5d37433f4@foothill.net>
Message-ID: <3b44c38a-d132-8353-d0e2-9a8ab7de68c2@sdellington.us>

On 6/15/2017 21:59, Fred Jensen wrote:
> RF current will be on the surface which scales as r-squared. 

Surface area is proportional to r, NOT r-squared.

However, the inductance is much more important than the resistance.  
Larger diameter reduces the inductance, but not very fast, and in a 
complicated way.

http://chemandy.com/calculators/round-wire-inductance-calculator.htm


Scott  K9MA

-- 
Scott  K9MA

k9ma at sdellington.us


From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Fri Jun 16 00:06:29 2017
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2017 21:06:29 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Wire size for the ground on the KX2
In-Reply-To: <000201d2e615$cd20db70$67629250$@att.net>
References: <000201d2e615$cd20db70$67629250$@att.net>
Message-ID: <7191a053-a5da-7cf0-ea71-0dd9baeeedcc@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On Thu,6/15/2017 1:27 PM, Mike Morrell wrote:
> Given the small size of the mini banana plug for KX2 ground connection, what size wire are folks using ; assuming ease of transport , etc.

What is the purpose of this "ground connection?" The only reason for a 
connection to mother earth is for lightning protection. For that, you 
want big wire.

Or is this a counterpoise, to make the antenna work better? Such a wire 
should NOT be connected to mother earth, and a few feet above the earth 
is a good thing. And it can be small diameter -- #18-#22 are commonly 
used for backpacking.

73, Jim K9YC


From terje at elde.net  Fri Jun 16 02:33:35 2017
From: terje at elde.net (Terje Elde)
Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2017 08:33:35 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] Seeking input on KPA1500 station configurations
In-Reply-To: <039a01d2e626$bed68040$3c8380c0$@ad6a.com>
References: <039a01d2e626$bed68040$3c8380c0$@ad6a.com>
Message-ID: <24DFD83A-768C-496C-A7B2-E3D1EDB0FDFF@elde.net>



> On 16 Jun 2017, at 00:28, Dave AD6A <dave at ad6a.com> wrote:
> 
> I'd like the power supply to be able to be turned "on" by a single button
> push on the front panel of the amplifier (on the desk).

Would be good if "remote-on" would be possible as well. Possible options include serial command, a dedicated I/O-line, or control lines of a serial port. 

Such a setup could also be a nice basis for remote operation, including dead man switch type setups, power sequencing and so on.

Going a bit outside the scope of the post I'm replying to, such a sequencing could also be useful for a later setup of a KPA1500, and a "headless" box similar to K3/K3S, with a RemoteRig-type control.

Small controller unit to power on both the KPA1500 and the headless box as requested by RemoteRig interface, then operate as normal. Allow controller unit to include a timer, disconnect on lost connectivity to the RemoteRig, etc.

Couple of remote GPIO, to allow for sensors based on users need (someone entered the room? Ambient temperature? Temperature at amp chassis?), and things are starting to look very good for remote users. 

Terje / LB8KH

From g8kbvdave at googlemail.com  Fri Jun 16 06:25:41 2017
From: g8kbvdave at googlemail.com (Dave B)
Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2017 11:25:41 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] Remote Operating Time Sync
In-Reply-To: <645582d6-2e1f-cbae-17f8-dd7ee35af47e@googlemail.com>
References: <645582d6-2e1f-cbae-17f8-dd7ee35af47e@googlemail.com>
Message-ID: <ce2f9cf7-3f55-4206-01d9-1c2f842f24d2@googlemail.com>

Hi.

WSJT-X is not that critical, you only need to be within a second (or two
at most) of UTC, & you can easily get well within +- 1 second with mk 1
finger and a call to the speaking clock, or listening to a broadcast
time signal.  Modern PC's don't drift that significantly over a few
hours (unless they have other problems) so that should be more than good
enough.


NTP sync'ing via mobile internet though possible, is often less than
great if it does work, some carriers block the use of that sort of
thing  But if there is no other choice, needs must.  But, rather than
use one specific time source (time.apple.com)   Try using  
pool.ntp.org   or  north-america.pool.ntp.org   if you are in the US
etc.   (http://www.pool.ntp.org/en/     Has lots of good information.)

That's a collection of independent time servers and the load is shared
between them, so they don?t get saturated like services like Apple (or
Microsoft) often suffer, providing a poor service as a result.   You may
find your mobile carrier has a NTP server you could use, but finding out
about it might be a struggle.

The phone's own time is fairly rigidly controlled, so just watching the
clock on that counting up to a minute, while finger is poised to accept
the next minutes time into the PC is also plenty good enough for the JT
modes.

Other solutions, depending on the accuracy wanted, revolve around the
use of a GPS receiver connected to the computer, and some time syncing
software that can use that.  There are many such programs for MS and
Linux, I don't know about Apple stuff, but Mac's run a highly customised
version of BSD, and there are similar programs for that OS, so...  
(Note, that they are not for the feint of heart to get installed
correctly due to the permissions needed.)

Any of those, you should get within a few ms of UTC easily.  Using a
specialist "timing" GPS receivers, and software that can use the PPS
signal (NTPD for example on 'nix, and Meinberg on Windows) to
continually monitor and correct the computers time, then you can get
within single figure microseconds of UTC (Using a real serial or
parallel port, not USB based.)  But that?s mega overkill for any of the
JT modes, but does have it's uses in propagation research and monitoring.

Lastly, don't get overly concerned about it all, else you'll be signing
up for the Time Nuts mailing list!  
https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts

73.
Dave G0WBX.


On 16/06/17 00:48, elecraft-request at mailman.qth.net wrote:
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Remote Operating Time Sync
> Message-ID: <9A61E777-F744-4BA2-8007-B43C95C6238C at wunderwood.org>
> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset=utf-8
>
> Can you get internet by tethering to your phone? If so, the computer should sync with NTP pretty quickly, then hold to within a second while you are operating.
>
> You might be able to force a sync by opening the Date & Time control panel in System Preferences. MacOS uses NTP by default. If that doesn?t work, I?d unlock the panel, uncheck ?Set date and time automatically?, then recheck it.
>
> If you are of the shell persuasion, this will do the trick.
>
> sudo ntpdate -u time.apple.com
>
> wunder
> K6WRU
> Walter Underwood
> CM87wj


From g8kbvdave at googlemail.com  Fri Jun 16 06:26:44 2017
From: g8kbvdave at googlemail.com (Dave B)
Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2017 11:26:44 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] Remote Operating Time Sync
In-Reply-To: <f72c092b-f687-f23d-8216-46b1ca826583@googlemail.com>
References: <f72c092b-f687-f23d-8216-46b1ca826583@googlemail.com>
Message-ID: <c5adf522-0731-3eed-fc67-9d39ba50b54e@googlemail.com>

Jim.

As you have experience with a Pi, with the addition of a GPS RX, you can
make yourself a very good GPSD NTP server using that.  Then, just hook
that to the PC(s) that need time sync, by LAN or portable WiFi access point.

http://www.satsignal.eu/ntp/Raspberry-Pi-NTP.html    has all you need to
know.   Thanks to Dave GM8ARV

73.

Dave G0WBX


On 16/06/17 00:48, elecraft-request at mailman.qth.net wrote:
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Remote Operating Time Sync
> Message-ID: <2F7465E1-5E3A-4733-8201-B016CDB1DE2D at me.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset=utf-8
>
> Folks, thanks for the ideas! Tethering to my iPhone would work IF there was cell service. In many parts of Mindanao where we may go, the cell service is either spotty or nonexistent, so I would not want to rely on that. Also, WWV/WWVB/WWVH reception is not guaranteed. When I was there in April, I heard absolutely ZERO signals on CW on any of the ham bands - very strange! But when I moved to the JT-x frequencies, I got signals. So, I?m thinking my best bet would be to go with some sort of GPS/NTP arrangement. To that end, I?ve ordered a copy of the ARRL Arduino book one of you pointed out to me. Worth a shot. I haven?t used one of the Arduino units yet, but my WSJT-X operating here at home in Folsom is 100% powered by a Raspberry Pi 3, so I am familar with using the little micro?s. 
>
> Sounds like a fun indoor construction project for the upcoming ugly-hot summer months in northern CA!
>
> 73, Jim / W6JHB
>
> Jim Bennett
> Folsom, CA


From va3mw at portcredit.net  Fri Jun 16 08:48:31 2017
From: va3mw at portcredit.net (Michael Walker)
Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2017 08:48:31 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Seeking input on KPA1500 station configurations
Message-ID: <CA+33ts7t6LhATqdY=J1uf1gu5zfz9VnJkHUjVQ_4DDo8eBzfUg@mail.gmail.com>

My 2 cents.

Drop the RS232 line totally and have only an IP / Lan connection.  This
will solve so many connectivity issues.  With a PC client software, it will
just find the amplifier.

This is what other Amp vendors are now doing and it is litterly plug and
play.

The next K-radio should also be LAN aware.

Mike va3mw

From cautery at montac.com  Fri Jun 16 09:27:15 2017
From: cautery at montac.com (Clay Autery)
Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2017 08:27:15 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Remote Operating Time Sync
In-Reply-To: <ce2f9cf7-3f55-4206-01d9-1c2f842f24d2@googlemail.com>
References: <645582d6-2e1f-cbae-17f8-dd7ee35af47e@googlemail.com>
	<ce2f9cf7-3f55-4206-01d9-1c2f842f24d2@googlemail.com>
Message-ID: <0dcea9f1-7990-a2a0-1baf-3738601547de@montac.com>

Give in to the dark side...  you know it will feel so good to KNOW your
frequency is accurate to sub-sub-sub Hertz level, your time reference is
sub-nanosecond, and every clock in your life are all the same within a
microsecond.

LOL!!!

______________________
Clay Autery, KY5G

On 6/16/2017 5:25 AM, Dave B via Elecraft wrote:
> Lastly, don't get overly concerned about it all, else you'll be signing
> up for the Time Nuts mailing list!  
> https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/time-nuts


From john at kk9a.com  Fri Jun 16 10:36:00 2017
From: john at kk9a.com (john at kk9a.com)
Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2017 10:36:00 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft]  Remote Operating Time Sync
Message-ID: <34bc96f6211f96522da09cad75bfcc41.squirrel@www11.qth.com>

Why is accurate time important with these modes?

John KK9A


On Thu,6/15/2017 11:59 AM, Matthew George wrote:
>   The jt modes will be fine even if you are a second or two off.


From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Fri Jun 16 12:31:01 2017
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2017 09:31:01 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Remote Operating Time Sync
In-Reply-To: <34bc96f6211f96522da09cad75bfcc41.squirrel@www11.qth.com>
References: <34bc96f6211f96522da09cad75bfcc41.squirrel@www11.qth.com>
Message-ID: <34b239b9-e772-1b70-4b6e-b98ed4cdc2a5@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On Fri,6/16/2017 7:36 AM, john at kk9a.com wrote:
> Why is accurate time important with these modes?

It's not important with all of them, but some, like JT65 and JT9, that 
use very strong error correction use algorithms that are somehow linked 
to start times. Other modes like MSK144 designed for meteor scatter 
don't care about time, but instead are looking for the data repeated at 
very short intervals so that you can get it in a very brief reflection.

It's worth the time to read through K1JT's excellent help file for 
WSJT-X, which describes the various modes.

73, Jim K9YC



From w6jhb at me.com  Fri Jun 16 12:34:59 2017
From: w6jhb at me.com (James Bennett)
Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2017 09:34:59 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Remote Operating Time Sync
In-Reply-To: <49c63e08-a1b1-e388-1bd6-cd9c04602fee@montac.com>
References: <EB2FF4FC-1251-4B09-AF7C-28CA6AD71749@me.com>
	<94960668-1C6E-4700-B75C-0D412FDAEB6C@gmail.com>
	<9cb56e8d-36de-3785-f6fe-c9815984ba00@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<f6b722e6-c048-d0a6-656f-745bcfc5b2c0@gmail.com>
	<2F7465E1-5E3A-4733-8201-B016CDB1DE2D@me.com>
	<49c63e08-a1b1-e388-1bd6-cd9c04602fee@montac.com>
Message-ID: <410430BF-A904-4B98-90E2-5FF99B1784B7@me.com>

Excellent!!!! While the ARRL Arduino project may also work, I?m a lot more familiar with the RPi, as I have a model 3 running here at home for my data QSOs with the KX3. As I mentioned in my original post, the need is for something I can take with me out in the field, so I?d also need to scrounge up a way to power the RPi from either 220vac (standard in the Philippines) or a 13.8vdc supply (standard on my high sierra camping trips!). When I get some time I?ll look at that web site in more detail - a cursory glance looked great.

Tnx, Jim

Jim Bennett / W6JHB
Folsom, CA






> On Jun 15, 2017, at 7:17 PM, Clay Autery <cautery at montac.com> wrote:
> 
> Personally, I think you'd be better served using Raspberry Pi approach. 
> See the website I put down in my other post...  Nah, here it is
> again...  Do yourself a favor and read this guy's site...
> 
> http://www.satsignal.eu/ntp/Raspberry-Pi-NTP.html
> 
> ______________________
> Clay Autery, KY5G
> 
> On 6/15/2017 3:51 PM, James Bennett wrote:
>> So, I?m thinking my best bet would be to go with some sort of GPS/NTP arrangement. To that end, I?ve ordered a copy of the ARRL Arduino book one of you pointed out to me.
> 
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From eric at elecraft.com  Fri Jun 16 14:04:51 2017
From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft)
Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2017 11:04:51 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Remote Operating Time Sync
In-Reply-To: <c5adf522-0731-3eed-fc67-9d39ba50b54e@googlemail.com>
References: <f72c092b-f687-f23d-8216-46b1ca826583@googlemail.com>
	<c5adf522-0731-3eed-fc67-9d39ba50b54e@googlemail.com>
Message-ID: <f6ff3d12-1183-af7d-dcdc-b6f2626d186c@elecraft.com>

Let's wind this down now and end the thread.

Lots of good info, but its way exceeding the OT posting limit of 5-10.   PLEASE 
self-moderate on threads as they get longer and take extended discussions 
off-list to direct email after 5-10 posts to relieve email overload for others.

73,
Eric
Mooderator etc.
/elecraft.com/



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From: margaret at elecraft.com (Margaret Wold)
Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2017 11:56:58 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Share Your Photos!
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From k6dgw at foothill.net  Fri Jun 16 16:25:45 2017
From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen)
Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2017 13:25:45 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Wire size for the ground on the KX2
In-Reply-To: <3b44c38a-d132-8353-d0e2-9a8ab7de68c2@sdellington.us>
References: <000201d2e615$cd20db70$67629250$@att.net>
	<d66a49e3-357a-5be3-2346-fae5d37433f4@foothill.net>
	<3b44c38a-d132-8353-d0e2-9a8ab7de68c2@sdellington.us>
Message-ID: <5f7f8592-7854-a099-8fa2-bad086190c91@foothill.net>

Indeed it is.  For reasons unknown, my fingers slipped into overdrive.  
Please consider "squared" to be my version of "convfefe."

73,

Fred ("Skip") K6DGW
Sparks NV USA
Washoe County DM09dn

On 6/15/2017 8:46 PM, K9MA wrote:
> On 6/15/2017 21:59, Fred Jensen wrote:
>> RF current will be on the surface which scales as r-squared. 
>
> Surface area is proportional to r, NOT r-squared.


From kismarian at hotmail.com  Fri Jun 16 19:17:31 2017
From: kismarian at hotmail.com (kismarian at hotmail.com)
Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2017 23:17:31 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S no RF at CW
Message-ID: <DM5PR17MB157962B472710A6D8BCA2F7CA6C10@DM5PR17MB1579.namprd17.prod.outlook.com>

Hi Guys,

My newly built K3S is TXing fine on SSB and SSB+CW but gives only a little RF power with CW or DATA MODE selected. The EE_INIT or reload of DSP 2.88 and upgrade to beta FW ver 5.60 does not help. I cannot find older FW on Elecraft website to check out. The DSP outputs only a very small 15kHz signal in CW MODE. The TUNE and Calibration insert CW carrier and of course fail. TX_ALC off did not help either. Would you have any ideas how to fix this problem?

Thanks,

Marian, WS9M


From eric at elecraft.com  Fri Jun 16 19:41:57 2017
From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft)
Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2017 16:41:57 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Wire size for the ground on the KX2
In-Reply-To: <7191a053-a5da-7cf0-ea71-0dd9baeeedcc@audiosystemsgroup.com>
References: <000201d2e615$cd20db70$67629250$@att.net>
	<7191a053-a5da-7cf0-ea71-0dd9baeeedcc@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Message-ID: <9aa4e368-e43b-399c-a9b0-27b6ab2e773e@elecraft.com>

Its a counterpoise, typically for pedestrian mobile.  (Mini-banana plug easily 
pulls out if someone steps on a trailing wire..)
Eric
/elecraft.com/

On 6/15/2017 9:06 PM, Jim Brown wrote:
> On Thu,6/15/2017 1:27 PM, Mike Morrell wrote:
>> Given the small size of the mini banana plug for KX2 ground connection, what 
>> size wire are folks using ; assuming ease of transport , etc.
>
> What is the purpose of this "ground connection?" The only reason for a 
> connection to mother earth is for lightning protection. For that, you want big 
> wire.
>
> Or is this a counterpoise, to make the antenna work better? Such a wire should 
> NOT be connected to mother earth, and a few feet above the earth is a good 
> thing. And it can be small diameter -- #18-#22 are commonly used for backpacking.
>
> 73, Jim K9YC
>
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From wunder at wunderwood.org  Fri Jun 16 21:12:01 2017
From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood)
Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2017 18:12:01 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Wire size for the ground on the KX2
In-Reply-To: <9aa4e368-e43b-399c-a9b0-27b6ab2e773e@elecraft.com>
References: <000201d2e615$cd20db70$67629250$@att.net>
	<7191a053-a5da-7cf0-ea71-0dd9baeeedcc@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<9aa4e368-e43b-399c-a9b0-27b6ab2e773e@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <1EC1DEAA-6A7A-4DDC-B75D-D85D86B4F51B@wunderwood.org>

Wire the same size as your antenna wire is fine. This is carrying RF currents, just like the wire in the air.

wunder
K6WRU
Walter Underwood
CM87wj
http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog)

> On Jun 16, 2017, at 4:41 PM, Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft <eric at elecraft.com> wrote:
> 
> Its a counterpoise, typically for pedestrian mobile.  (Mini-banana plug easily pulls out if someone steps on a trailing wire..)
> Eric
> /elecraft.com/
> 
> On 6/15/2017 9:06 PM, Jim Brown wrote:
>> On Thu,6/15/2017 1:27 PM, Mike Morrell wrote:
>>> Given the small size of the mini banana plug for KX2 ground connection, what size wire are folks using ; assuming ease of transport , etc.
>> 
>> What is the purpose of this "ground connection?" The only reason for a connection to mother earth is for lightning protection. For that, you want big wire.
>> 
>> Or is this a counterpoise, to make the antenna work better? Such a wire should NOT be connected to mother earth, and a few feet above the earth is a good thing. And it can be small diameter -- #18-#22 are commonly used for backpacking.
>> 
>> 73, Jim K9YC
>> 
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From vk6vz at arach.net.au  Fri Jun 16 22:03:07 2017
From: vk6vz at arach.net.au (Steve Ireland)
Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2017 10:03:07 +0800
Subject: [Elecraft] A question about using the K3S with KPA500 on full
	break-in
Message-ID: <223F67857A994C86A4871BCEB981105A@StevesHPpcPC>

G?day

A good friend of mine for who English is not his first language is wanting to run full-break in with his K3S and KPA500. The KPA500 manual appears not to have a section in it on doing full break-in with the K3S. 

Please can someone on the list let me know what interconnections/cables are required between the two transceivers to do this and whether there are any menu selections that need to be made, so I can pass this information onto him.

Thank you!

Vy 73

Steve, VK6VZ/G3ZZD  

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From fcady at montana.edu  Fri Jun 16 22:51:13 2017
From: fcady at montana.edu (Cady, Fred)
Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2017 02:51:13 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] A question about using the K3S with KPA500 on
	full	break-in
In-Reply-To: <223F67857A994C86A4871BCEB981105A@StevesHPpcPC>
References: <223F67857A994C86A4871BCEB981105A@StevesHPpcPC>
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Hi Steve,

Maybe the K-line_intro_guide.pdf available at http://www.ke7x.com/home/k-line-introduction-and-set-up-guide might help.  Although written for the K3, there isn't anything different you need to do for the K3S.

73,

Fred KE7X


For all KE7X Elecraft books, see www.elecraft.com<http://www.elecraft.com>



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Subject: [Elecraft] A question about using the K3S with KPA500 on full break-in

G?day

A good friend of mine for who English is not his first language is wanting to run full-break in with his K3S and KPA500. The KPA500 manual appears not to have a section in it on doing full break-in with the K3S.

Please can someone on the list let me know what interconnections/cables are required between the two transceivers to do this and whether there are any menu selections that need to be made, so I can pass this information onto him.

Thank you!

Vy 73

Steve, VK6VZ/G3ZZD

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From kismarian at hotmail.com  Sat Jun 17 01:21:56 2017
From: kismarian at hotmail.com (kismarian at hotmail.com)
Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2017 05:21:56 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S no RF at CW
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Yes, I have VOX enabled and FL1 with BW=2.8kHz is set as TX filter for all modes - no ERR_TXF. The K3S switches from RX to TX, the red TX LED blinks and I can hear my Morse code on another radio when TXing into dummy load. Just output power in CW mode is minuscule to 1 bar on RF indicator, read as 0 or -15 dBm with K3 Utility Calibration. I measured 103 mV pk-pk on 50 Ohm load at ANT1 connector giving 26.7 uW or -15.7 dBm where 12 W should be. CONFIG:KXV3B is NORm. Everything is fine in SSB and SSB+CW mode but not with CW MODE selected.

________________________________
From: kismarian at hotmail.com <kismarian at hotmail.com>
Sent: Friday, June 16, 2017 7:17 PM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: K3S no RF at CW


Hi Guys,

My newly built K3S is TXing fine on SSB and SSB+CW but gives only a little RF power with CW or DATA MODE selected. The EE_INIT or reload of DSP 2.88 and upgrade to beta FW ver 5.60 does not help. I cannot find older FW on Elecraft website to check out. The DSP outputs only a very small 15kHz signal in CW MODE. The TUNE and Calibration insert CW carrier and of course fail. TX_ALC off did not help either. Would you have any ideas how to fix this problem?

Thanks,

Marian, WS9M


From wp4cw at aol.com  Sat Jun 17 10:16:35 2017
From: wp4cw at aol.com (Wp4cw)
Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2017 07:16:35 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] [K3S]. New out of box, no ssb output
Message-ID: <1497708995362-7631797.post@n2.nabble.com>

Gm all
I was able to test my CW and it works (100w). Now moving to SSB.
Mic is  Mh2
Set Mic to front panel , low
I turn vox on
No out put 
Can anyone let me know what I'm missing. Thank you. Ted



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From wa2eio at optonline.net  Sat Jun 17 10:26:24 2017
From: wa2eio at optonline.net (Ron Manfredi)
Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2017 10:26:24 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] [K3S]. New out of box, no ssb output
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Did you enable mic bias?

Ron  WA2EIO


On 6/17/2017 10:16 AM, Wp4cw via Elecraft wrote:
> Gm all
> I was able to test my CW and it works (100w). Now moving to SSB.
> Mic is  Mh2
> Set Mic to front panel , low
> I turn vox on
> No out put
> Can anyone let me know what I'm missing. Thank you. Ted
>
>
>
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From lists at subich.com  Sat Jun 17 10:33:59 2017
From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV)
Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2017 10:33:59 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] [K3S]. New out of box, no ssb output
In-Reply-To: <1497708995362-7631797.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1497708995362-7631797.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <cee2a45f-916b-0d99-abeb-da35452f24b7@subich.com>


I believe the Elecraft mic uses an electret element.  It requires that
you turn on bias.

73,

    ... Joe, W4TV


On 6/17/2017 10:16 AM, Wp4cw via Elecraft wrote:
> Gm all
> I was able to test my CW and it works (100w). Now moving to SSB.
> Mic is  Mh2
> Set Mic to front panel , low
> I turn vox on
> No out put
> Can anyone let me know what I'm missing. Thank you. Ted
> 
> 
> 
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From john_n1jm at icloud.com  Sat Jun 17 10:34:18 2017
From: john_n1jm at icloud.com (John Merrill)
Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2017 07:34:18 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] [K3S]. New out of box, no ssb output
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VOX gain set? Mic gain up?
What about PTT?
Mic bias on/off?

73, John N1JM


> On Jun 17, 2017, at 7:16 AM, Wp4cw via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
> 
> Gm all
> I was able to test my CW and it works (100w). Now moving to SSB.
> Mic is  Mh2
> Set Mic to front panel , low
> I turn vox on
> No out put 
> Can anyone let me know what I'm missing. Thank you. Ted
> 
> 
> 
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From endeavor29 at outlook.com  Sat Jun 17 11:13:26 2017
From: endeavor29 at outlook.com (Stephen Hanes)
Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2017 15:13:26 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Wire size for the ground on the KX2
Message-ID: <CY1PR16MB087371C792AEF5D9B9833C3ED7C60@CY1PR16MB0873.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>

Jim Brown,

Another reason for connecting a ground wire to ?mother earth? would be a variation on your reason, and that would be to provide a means to discharge excess charge (?static electricity?)  before it can damage your equipment. This buildup of charge can occur if the antenna is subjected to only moderate winds, even if no thunderstorm is nearby.

73,
Steve Hanes, K4VWS

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From kz5d at aol.com  Sat Jun 17 11:21:30 2017
From: kz5d at aol.com (Art)
Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2017 11:21:30 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K-Pod software 1.09
Message-ID: <15cb6a50fe0-11da-19668@webprd-a75.mail.aol.com>

The description of the update states ":Changes encoder operation to allow the K-Pod to buffer encoder counts to the K3. This helps the K3 and K-Pod remain in sync."


However, that's not my experience. I have the VFO set to 200 CTS, so the K-Pod should match it after this update. However, the K-Pod only moves 100 CTS-exactly half of what the main VFO moves. Tried going to 400 CTS on the main VFO. K-Pod then moves 200 CTS.


Is this the intended result or am I missing something?


Thanks.


Art KZ5D

From kismarian at hotmail.com  Sat Jun 17 11:35:14 2017
From: kismarian at hotmail.com (kismarian at hotmail.com)
Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2017 15:35:14 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S no RF at CW
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No, the TXTEST is not enabled and TX indicator is not flashing, The power level is set well above zero to 5 ,10 or 12 W. I tried DATA as FSK-Direct and PSK-Direct. With AFSK, feeding soundcard output to SSB modulator, I suppose DATA would work.

The problem appeared first as inability to calibrate. K3 Utility commanded K3S to RF power 5 W and radio responded with RF output power 0 W. TUNE was giving also 0 W RF power.

Then I set 2-Tone on and in SSB mode I got RF power as set with PWR knob. After setting MH-2 mic bias on and 2-Tone off I was able to transmit SSB to a dummy load. After setting SSB+CW I was able to transmit CW full power (12W) to dummy load in SSB mode.

With MODE set to CW or CW-R the RF power is still at 1 bar even with VOX on and PWR knob set well above zero  to 5, 10 W. TUNE gives two dashes ("- -") on main VFO  frequency display and "0.0 W" on VFO-B. RF power and K3 Utility is still unable to calibrate. TX_INHibit is set to off. I can hear my Morse code on another radio, but the RF power is very low.

I am afraid some solder joint around DSP might have failed during the bumpy UPS truck ride on old Route 66 from California to New York.

________________________________
From: kismarian at hotmail.com <kismarian at hotmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2017 1:21 AM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: K3S no RF at CW


Yes, I have VOX enabled and FL1 with BW=2.8kHz is set as TX filter for all modes - no ERR_TXF. The K3S switches from RX to TX, the red TX LED blinks and I can hear my Morse code on another radio when TXing into dummy load. Just output power in CW mode is minuscule to 1 bar on RF indicator, read as 0 or -15 dBm with K3 Utility Calibration. I measured 103 mV pk-pk on 50 Ohm load at ANT1 connector giving 26.7 uW or -15.7 dBm where 12 W should be. CONFIG:KXV3B is NORm. Everything is fine in SSB and SSB+CW mode but not with CW MODE selected.

________________________________
From: kismarian at hotmail.com <kismarian at hotmail.com>
Sent: Friday, June 16, 2017 7:17 PM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: K3S no RF at CW


Hi Guys,

My newly built K3S is TXing fine on SSB and SSB+CW but gives only a little RF power with CW or DATA MODE selected. The EE_INIT or reload of DSP 2.88 and upgrade to beta FW ver 5.60 does not help. I cannot find older FW on Elecraft website to check out. The DSP outputs only a very small 15kHz signal in CW MODE. The TUNE and Calibration insert CW carrier and of course fail. TX_ALC off did not help either. Would you have any ideas how to fix this problem?

Thanks,

Marian, WS9M


From kl7uw at acsalaska.net  Sat Jun 17 13:11:45 2017
From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole)
Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2017 09:11:45 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] Remote Operating Time Sync
Message-ID: <201706171711.v5HHBkUx020976@mail40c28.carrierzone.com>

Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2017 10:36:00 -0400
From: "john at kk9a.com" <john at kk9a.com>
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft]  Remote Operating Time Sync
Message-ID: <34bc96f6211f96522da09cad75bfcc41.squirrel at www11.qth.com>
Content-Type: text/plain;charset=utf-8

Why is accurate time important with these modes?

John KK9A
------------------
I know Eric moderated this topic so I will be brief, but all comments 
so far danced around the reason you need accurate time for WSJT modes.
These are synchronous digital modes to both stations computers need 
to know when the start of the message begins.

I use a simple cheap GPS with USB dongle plugged directly into my 
computer and run BktTimeSync by IZ2BKT.  You can choose either NTP 
time servers or take the time from the GPS without needing internet connection.

Write me off list for details.


73, Ed - KL7UW
   http://www.kl7uw.com
Dubus-NA Business mail:
   dubususa at gmail.com 


From W1ie at jetbroadband.com  Sat Jun 17 15:54:17 2017
From: W1ie at jetbroadband.com (Jerry)
Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2017 19:54:17 -0000
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 and RTTY problem.
Message-ID: <00bd01d2e7a3$8111f950$8335ebf0$@com>

 

Good afternoon all,

 

I am setting up my KX3 to be used this coming FD and I have run into a
problem. I hope the solution is easy to implement and someone has it.

 

I set up N1MM with FLdigi and on the N1MM F1 function key I have the
following: RUN CQ, {TX} CQ  CQ FD W1IE {RX}. When I press the F1 key, the
audio kicks in and I hear about a half second of audio being transmitted. My
K3 receives the audio without distortion and the output is displayed on the
N1MM digital interface screen, a single character, in this case, a "R". It
does not matter which function key I use, I get the same result.  If I use
the CTRL - K key, then the N1MM pushes out to the KX3 whatever  is in the
buffer and when the buffer ends, then it diddles until I press the ESC key.

Any thoughts anyone?

 

Best regards,

 

Jerry, W1IE


From edauer at law.du.edu  Sat Jun 17 16:20:05 2017
From: edauer at law.du.edu (Dauer, Edward)
Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2017 20:20:05 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Packing Peanuts
Message-ID: <4l2qqs2bv1u20wt1k0roxjn0.1497729632803@email.android.com>

Just received a K2 kit via UPS -- my third in fact -- and spent 20 comical minutes trying to empty out the styrofoam packing peanuts.

They come, apparently, fully charged.  They cling to my fingers.  They cling to my shirt.  They cling to the outer shipping box.  After I get about ten handfuls into a small trash bag the common charge results in the smaller pieces flying out again.  Back onto my fingers.  Grabbing them with one hand while holding a cold water faucet with the other didn' t help at all.

Whenever I get a kit I feel as if I have to do the electrostatic equivalent of a detox shower before I do the parts inventory.  Isn't there some good substitute for these accursed things?  Maybe like their ancestors -- real peanuts?  At least you can eat those while you're unpacking the kit . . .

Ted, KN1CBR


Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone

From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Sat Jun 17 16:40:34 2017
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2017 15:40:34 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Packing Peanuts
In-Reply-To: <4l2qqs2bv1u20wt1k0roxjn0.1497729632803@email.android.com>
References: <4l2qqs2bv1u20wt1k0roxjn0.1497729632803@email.android.com>
Message-ID: <8e5def2e-ad45-aece-e12e-6426cb58a6c9@blomand.net>

Just spray the inside of the trash container with Fabric Softener.  As 
to the ones in the box, same thing.  Static gone.

73

Bob, K4TAX


On 6/17/2017 3:20 PM, Dauer, Edward wrote:
> Just received a K2 kit via UPS -- my third in fact -- and spent 20 comical minutes trying to empty out the styrofoam packing peanuts.
>
> They come, apparently, fully charged.  They cling to my fingers.  They cling to my shirt.  They cling to the outer shipping box.  After I get about ten handfuls into a small trash bag the common charge results in the smaller pieces flying out again.  Back onto my fingers.  Grabbing them with one hand while holding a cold water faucet with the other didn' t help at all.
>
> Whenever I get a kit I feel as if I have to do the electrostatic equivalent of a detox shower before I do the parts inventory.  Isn't there some good substitute for these accursed things?  Maybe like their ancestors -- real peanuts?  At least you can eat those while you're unpacking the kit . . .
>
> Ted, KN1CBR
>
>
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From elecraftcovers at gmail.com  Sat Jun 17 16:44:09 2017
From: elecraftcovers at gmail.com (Rose)
Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2017 14:44:09 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] Packing Peanuts
In-Reply-To: <8e5def2e-ad45-aece-e12e-6426cb58a6c9@blomand.net>
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Or hair spray ...

73

Ken - K0PP

On Jun 17, 2017 14:42, "Bob McGraw K4TAX" <rmcgraw at blomand.net> wrote:

> Just spray the inside of the trash container with Fabric Softener.  As to
> the ones in the box, same thing.  Static gone.
>
> 73
>
> Bob, K4TAX
>
>
> On 6/17/2017 3:20 PM, Dauer, Edward wrote:
>
>> Just received a K2 kit via UPS -- my third in fact -- and spent 20
>> comical minutes trying to empty out the styrofoam packing peanuts.
>>
>> They come, apparently, fully charged.  They cling to my fingers.  They
>> cling to my shirt.  They cling to the outer shipping box.  After I get
>> about ten handfuls into a small trash bag the common charge results in the
>> smaller pieces flying out again.  Back onto my fingers.  Grabbing them with
>> one hand while holding a cold water faucet with the other didn' t help at
>> all.
>>
>> Whenever I get a kit I feel as if I have to do the electrostatic
>> equivalent of a detox shower before I do the parts inventory.  Isn't there
>> some good substitute for these accursed things?  Maybe like their ancestors
>> -- real peanuts?  At least you can eat those while you're unpacking the kit
>> . . .
>>
>> Ted, KN1CBR
>>
>>
>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone
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From k6dgw at foothill.net  Sat Jun 17 16:59:08 2017
From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen)
Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2017 13:59:08 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Wire size for the ground on the KX2
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But be wary however.  That, in itself, may not and often does not offer 
any protection at all. Each little charge from rain or snow static may 
be minuscule, but they charge the input capacitance of the device in the 
radio and eventually it breaks downbetween the input and the chassis. 
Just grounding the chassis or ground plane on a PCB does nothing to 
change that, it's the charge across the input that matters.

I believe, but do not know for sure, that Elecraft designs all have a 
static bleed across the antenna connection.  Possibly someone who knows 
can enlighten all the rest of us. If you want to be sure and don't want 
to take your radio apart, wire a 100K-200K 1/8 W resistor across a 
PL-259 [or BNC].  Put a T-adapter onto the radio, resistor on one leg, 
antenna on the other.

A number of years ago, our Cal QSO crew in Alpine county fried two 
PROIII's from snow static for lack of a bleed. Total ham experience on 
the crew was in the 300 year range ... You'd think someone would 
havethought of it. [:-)

73,

Fred ("Skip") K6DGW
Sparks NV USA
Washoe County DM09dn

On 6/17/2017 8:13 AM, Stephen Hanes wrote:
> Jim Brown,
>
> Another reason for connecting a ground wire to ?mother earth? would be a variation on your reason, and that would be to provide a means to discharge excess charge (?static electricity?)  before it can damage your equipment. This buildup of charge can occur if the antenna is subjected to only moderate winds, even if no thunderstorm is nearby.
>
> 73,
> Steve Hanes, K4VWS
>


From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Sat Jun 17 17:10:52 2017
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2017 16:10:52 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Packing Peanuts
In-Reply-To: <CAK+fsRUV634xwxTWyU_GFV2g=1T6GEoYZ8V3oAmAARc7SQr54g@mail.gmail.com>
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	<CAK+fsRUV634xwxTWyU_GFV2g=1T6GEoYZ8V3oAmAARc7SQr54g@mail.gmail.com>
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Oh no, sticky goo forever.

73

Bob, K4TAX


On 6/17/2017 3:44 PM, Rose wrote:
> Or hair spray ...
>
> 73
>



From kevin at k4vd.net  Sat Jun 17 17:16:55 2017
From: kevin at k4vd.net (Kevin - K4VD)
Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2017 17:16:55 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Packing Peanuts
In-Reply-To: <CAK+fsRUV634xwxTWyU_GFV2g=1T6GEoYZ8V3oAmAARc7SQr54g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4l2qqs2bv1u20wt1k0roxjn0.1497729632803@email.android.com>
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Does being packed in all those static-charged peanuts represent a danger to
electronic equipment like the K2?

Kev K4VD

On Sat, Jun 17, 2017 at 4:44 PM, Rose <elecraftcovers at gmail.com> wrote:

> Or hair spray ...
>
> 73
>
> Ken - K0PP
>
> On Jun 17, 2017 14:42, "Bob McGraw K4TAX" <rmcgraw at blomand.net> wrote:
>
> > Just spray the inside of the trash container with Fabric Softener.  As to
> > the ones in the box, same thing.  Static gone.
> >
> > 73
> >
> > Bob, K4TAX
> >
> >
> > On 6/17/2017 3:20 PM, Dauer, Edward wrote:
> >
> >> Just received a K2 kit via UPS -- my third in fact -- and spent 20
> >> comical minutes trying to empty out the styrofoam packing peanuts.
> >>
> >> They come, apparently, fully charged.  They cling to my fingers.  They
> >> cling to my shirt.  They cling to the outer shipping box.  After I get
> >> about ten handfuls into a small trash bag the common charge results in
> the
> >> smaller pieces flying out again.  Back onto my fingers.  Grabbing them
> with
> >> one hand while holding a cold water faucet with the other didn' t help
> at
> >> all.
> >>
> >> Whenever I get a kit I feel as if I have to do the electrostatic
> >> equivalent of a detox shower before I do the parts inventory.  Isn't
> there
> >> some good substitute for these accursed things?  Maybe like their
> ancestors
> >> -- real peanuts?  At least you can eat those while you're unpacking the
> kit
> >> . . .
> >>
> >> Ted, KN1CBR
> >>
> >>
> >> Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone
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From km4ik.ian at gmail.com  Sat Jun 17 17:23:18 2017
From: km4ik.ian at gmail.com (Ian Kahn, KM4IK)
Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2017 17:23:18 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Packing Peanuts
In-Reply-To: <CAFA9ujsW=p4x9puYesctcXPt6+X_uJF_Qk40p4-XfNqP8-YruA@mail.gmail.com>
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On every Elecraft kit I've ever gotten, any static-sensitive parts are
packed in anti-static protective bags. Shouldn?t be an issue.

73 de,

--Ian
Ian Kahn, KM4IK
Roswell, GA? EM74ua
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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Packing Peanuts

Does being packed in all those static-charged peanuts represent a danger to
electronic equipment like the K2?

Kev K4VD

On Sat, Jun 17, 2017 at 4:44 PM, Rose <elecraftcovers at gmail.com> wrote:

> Or hair spray ...
>
> 73
>
> Ken - K0PP
>
> On Jun 17, 2017 14:42, "Bob McGraw K4TAX" <rmcgraw at blomand.net> wrote:
>
> > Just spray the inside of the trash container with Fabric Softener.  
> > As to the ones in the box, same thing.  Static gone.
> >
> > 73
> >
> > Bob, K4TAX
> >
> >
> > On 6/17/2017 3:20 PM, Dauer, Edward wrote:
> >
> >> Just received a K2 kit via UPS -- my third in fact -- and spent 20 
> >> comical minutes trying to empty out the styrofoam packing peanuts.
> >>
> >> They come, apparently, fully charged.  They cling to my fingers.  
> >> They cling to my shirt.  They cling to the outer shipping box.  
> >> After I get about ten handfuls into a small trash bag the common 
> >> charge results in
> the
> >> smaller pieces flying out again.  Back onto my fingers.  Grabbing 
> >> them
> with
> >> one hand while holding a cold water faucet with the other didn' t 
> >> help
> at
> >> all.
> >>
> >> Whenever I get a kit I feel as if I have to do the electrostatic 
> >> equivalent of a detox shower before I do the parts inventory.  
> >> Isn't
> there
> >> some good substitute for these accursed things?  Maybe like their
> ancestors
> >> -- real peanuts?  At least you can eat those while you're unpacking 
> >> the
> kit
> >> . . .
> >>
> >> Ted, KN1CBR
> >>
> >>
> >> Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone 
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From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Sat Jun 17 18:06:44 2017
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2017 15:06:44 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Packing Peanuts
In-Reply-To: <4l2qqs2bv1u20wt1k0roxjn0.1497729632803@email.android.com>
References: <4l2qqs2bv1u20wt1k0roxjn0.1497729632803@email.android.com>
Message-ID: <621b8ebb-f82b-b5a4-9a2a-ed37b7a5576c@audiosystemsgroup.com>

Packing peanuts are an abomination. There should be a special place in 
hell for those who use them. Anyone who puts them in a package shipped 
to me goes to the top of my s&*T list. Thanks to limited indoor space, I 
must open most packages outdoors, and when I do, those obscene packing 
peanuts fly all over the place. Even when they don't escape, they're a 
pain to put in a trash bag to throw away.

Yes, there FAR better options. My favorite is bubble wrap, which I save 
and re-use. The bags of air work well for some kinds of products.

73, Jim K9YC

On Sat,6/17/2017 1:20 PM, Dauer, Edward wrote:
> Just received a K2 kit via UPS -- my third in fact -- and spent 20 comical minutes trying to empty out the styrofoam packing peanuts.
>
> They come, apparently, fully charged.  They cling to my fingers.  They cling to my shirt.  They cling to the outer shipping box.  After I get about ten handfuls into a small trash bag the common charge results in the smaller pieces flying out again.  Back onto my fingers.  Grabbing them with one hand while holding a cold water faucet with the other didn' t help at all.
>
> Whenever I get a kit I feel as if I have to do the electrostatic equivalent of a detox shower before I do the parts inventory.  Isn't there some good substitute for these accursed things?  Maybe like their ancestors -- real peanuts?  At least you can eat those while you're unpacking the kit . . .
>
> Ted, KN1CBR
>
>
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone
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From k6dgw at foothill.net  Sat Jun 17 18:14:01 2017
From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen)
Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2017 15:14:01 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Packing Peanuts
In-Reply-To: <CAFA9ujsW=p4x9puYesctcXPt6+X_uJF_Qk40p4-XfNqP8-YruA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4l2qqs2bv1u20wt1k0roxjn0.1497729632803@email.android.com>
	<8e5def2e-ad45-aece-e12e-6426cb58a6c9@blomand.net>
	<CAK+fsRUV634xwxTWyU_GFV2g=1T6GEoYZ8V3oAmAARc7SQr54g@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <35c6f73f-313a-4f0a-32c8-81145731087b@foothill.net>

Every ESD I've ever gotten from Elecraft has been packed in an 
anti-static bag and/or "plugged" into anti-static foam.  But ...don't 
ever use styrofoam egg cartonsor other containers for sorting ESD 
parts.  Best move is to keep all styrofoam off the bench, period.

73,

Fred ("Skip") K6DGW
Sparks NV USA
Washoe County DM09dn

On 6/17/2017 2:16 PM, Kevin - K4VD wrote:
> Does being packed in all those static-charged peanuts represent a danger to
> electronic equipment like the K2?
>
> Kev K4VD
>
> On Sat, Jun 17, 2017 at 4:44 PM, Rose <elecraftcovers at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Or hair spray ...
>>
>> 73
>>
>> Ken - K0PP
>>
>> On Jun 17, 2017 14:42, "Bob McGraw K4TAX" <rmcgraw at blomand.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Just spray the inside of the trash container with Fabric Softener.  As to
>>> the ones in the box, same thing.  Static gone.
>>>
>>> 73
>>>
>>> Bob, K4TAX
>>>
>>>
>>> On 6/17/2017 3:20 PM, Dauer, Edward wrote:
>>>
>>>> Just received a K2 kit via UPS -- my third in fact -- and spent 20
>>>> comical minutes trying to empty out the styrofoam packing peanuts.
>>>>
>>>> They come, apparently, fully charged.  They cling to my fingers.  They
>>>> cling to my shirt.  They cling to the outer shipping box.  After I get
>>>> about ten handfuls into a small trash bag the common charge results in
>> the
>>>> smaller pieces flying out again.  Back onto my fingers.  Grabbing them
>> with
>>>> one hand while holding a cold water faucet with the other didn' t help
>> at
>>>> all.
>>>>
>>>> Whenever I get a kit I feel as if I have to do the electrostatic
>>>> equivalent of a detox shower before I do the parts inventory.  Isn't
>> there
>>>> some good substitute for these accursed things?  Maybe like their
>> ancestors
>>>> -- real peanuts?  At least you can eat those while you're unpacking the
>> kit
>>>> . . .
>>>>
>>>> Ted, KN1CBR
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone
>>>> ______________________________________________________________
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From kstover at ac0h.net  Sat Jun 17 18:21:37 2017
From: kstover at ac0h.net (Kevin Stover, AC0H)
Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2017 17:21:37 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Packing Peanuts
In-Reply-To: <CAFA9ujsW=p4x9puYesctcXPt6+X_uJF_Qk40p4-XfNqP8-YruA@mail.gmail.com>
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	<8e5def2e-ad45-aece-e12e-6426cb58a6c9@blomand.net>
	<CAK+fsRUV634xwxTWyU_GFV2g=1T6GEoYZ8V3oAmAARc7SQr54g@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAFA9ujsW=p4x9puYesctcXPt6+X_uJF_Qk40p4-XfNqP8-YruA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4b0cf6a5-bca4-cb4f-ed9d-0ff9cb01eef2@ac0h.net>

No. The static sensitive parts of Elecraft kits are shipped in 
anti-static bags. Keep them in the bag till you need them.

On 6/17/2017 4:16 PM, Kevin - K4VD wrote:
> Does being packed in all those static-charged peanuts represent a danger to
> electronic equipment like the K2?
> 
> Kev K4VD
> 
> On Sat, Jun 17, 2017 at 4:44 PM, Rose <elecraftcovers at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Or hair spray ...
>>
>> 73
>>
>> Ken - K0PP
>>
>> On Jun 17, 2017 14:42, "Bob McGraw K4TAX" <rmcgraw at blomand.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Just spray the inside of the trash container with Fabric Softener.  As to
>>> the ones in the box, same thing.  Static gone.
>>>
>>> 73
>>>
>>> Bob, K4TAX
>>>
>>>
>>> On 6/17/2017 3:20 PM, Dauer, Edward wrote:
>>>
>>>> Just received a K2 kit via UPS -- my third in fact -- and spent 20
>>>> comical minutes trying to empty out the styrofoam packing peanuts.
>>>>
>>>> They come, apparently, fully charged.  They cling to my fingers.  They
>>>> cling to my shirt.  They cling to the outer shipping box.  After I get
>>>> about ten handfuls into a small trash bag the common charge results in
>> the
>>>> smaller pieces flying out again.  Back onto my fingers.  Grabbing them
>> with
>>>> one hand while holding a cold water faucet with the other didn' t help
>> at
>>>> all.
>>>>
>>>> Whenever I get a kit I feel as if I have to do the electrostatic
>>>> equivalent of a detox shower before I do the parts inventory.  Isn't
>> there
>>>> some good substitute for these accursed things?  Maybe like their
>> ancestors
>>>> -- real peanuts?  At least you can eat those while you're unpacking the
>> kit
>>>> . . .
>>>>
>>>> Ted, KN1CBR
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone
>>>> ______________________________________________________________
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>>>> Message delivered to rmcgraw at blomand.net
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>>>>
>>>
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From cautery at montac.com  Sat Jun 17 18:22:48 2017
From: cautery at montac.com (Clay Autery)
Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2017 17:22:48 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Packing Peanuts
In-Reply-To: <4l2qqs2bv1u20wt1k0roxjn0.1497729632803@email.android.com>
References: <4l2qqs2bv1u20wt1k0roxjn0.1497729632803@email.android.com>
Message-ID: <69939661-3dff-920c-c6a5-a300fb0fe2f4@montac.com>

Ghost Guano...  peanuts made from starch that dissolve when wet, but
they don't handle the same weight...

Surprised California hasn't banned polystyrene peanuts yet...

I LOATHE polystyrene peanuts...  I can cut steel with my cussing when
dealing with them.  ;-)

______________________
Clay Autery, KY5G
MONTAC Enterprises
(318) 518-1389

On 6/17/2017 3:20 PM, Dauer, Edward wrote:
> Just received a K2 kit via UPS -- my third in fact -- and spent 20 comical minutes trying to empty out the styrofoam packing peanuts.
>
> They come, apparently, fully charged.  They cling to my fingers.  They cling to my shirt.  They cling to the outer shipping box.  After I get about ten handfuls into a small trash bag the common charge results in the smaller pieces flying out again.  Back onto my fingers.  Grabbing them with one hand while holding a cold water faucet with the other didn' t help at all.
>
> Whenever I get a kit I feel as if I have to do the electrostatic equivalent of a detox shower before I do the parts inventory.  Isn't there some good substitute for these accursed things?  Maybe like their ancestors -- real peanuts?  At least you can eat those while you're unpacking the kit . . .
>
> Ted, KN1CBR

From cautery at montac.com  Sat Jun 17 18:28:41 2017
From: cautery at montac.com (Clay Autery)
Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2017 17:28:41 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Packing Peanuts
In-Reply-To: <CAFA9ujsW=p4x9puYesctcXPt6+X_uJF_Qk40p4-XfNqP8-YruA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4l2qqs2bv1u20wt1k0roxjn0.1497729632803@email.android.com>
	<8e5def2e-ad45-aece-e12e-6426cb58a6c9@blomand.net>
	<CAK+fsRUV634xwxTWyU_GFV2g=1T6GEoYZ8V3oAmAARc7SQr54g@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAFA9ujsW=p4x9puYesctcXPt6+X_uJF_Qk40p4-XfNqP8-YruA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <88f2e54c-3b1e-8af2-a03e-31224a69390c@montac.com>

NOT if they are pink peanuts, OR if the radio is packed inside a static
proof bag before being swallowed up in the white peanuts...

______________________
Clay Autery, KY5G
MONTAC Enterprises
(318) 518-1389

On 6/17/2017 4:16 PM, Kevin - K4VD wrote:
> Does being packed in all those static-charged peanuts represent a danger to
> electronic equipment like the K2?
>
> Kev K4VD
>
> On Sat, Jun 17, 2017 at 4:44 PM, Rose <elecraftcovers at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Or hair spray ...
>>
>> 73
>>
>> Ken - K0PP
>>
>> On Jun 17, 2017 14:42, "Bob McGraw K4TAX" <rmcgraw at blomand.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Just spray the inside of the trash container with Fabric Softener.  As to
>>> the ones in the box, same thing.  Static gone.
>>>
>>> 73
>>>
>>> Bob, K4TAX
>>>
>>>
>>> On 6/17/2017 3:20 PM, Dauer, Edward wrote:
>>>
>>>> Just received a K2 kit via UPS -- my third in fact -- and spent 20
>>>> comical minutes trying to empty out the styrofoam packing peanuts.
>>>>
>>>> They come, apparently, fully charged.  They cling to my fingers.  They
>>>> cling to my shirt.  They cling to the outer shipping box.  After I get
>>>> about ten handfuls into a small trash bag the common charge results in
>> the
>>>> smaller pieces flying out again.  Back onto my fingers.  Grabbing them
>> with
>>>> one hand while holding a cold water faucet with the other didn' t help
>> at
>>>> all.
>>>>
>>>> Whenever I get a kit I feel as if I have to do the electrostatic
>>>> equivalent of a detox shower before I do the parts inventory.  Isn't
>> there
>>>> some good substitute for these accursed things?  Maybe like their
>> ancestors
>>>> -- real peanuts?  At least you can eat those while you're unpacking the
>> kit
>>>> . . .
>>>>
>>>> Ted, KN1CBR
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone
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From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Sat Jun 17 18:45:59 2017
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2017 18:45:59 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Packing Peanuts
In-Reply-To: <621b8ebb-f82b-b5a4-9a2a-ed37b7a5576c@audiosystemsgroup.com>
References: <4l2qqs2bv1u20wt1k0roxjn0.1497729632803@email.android.com>
	<621b8ebb-f82b-b5a4-9a2a-ed37b7a5576c@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Message-ID: <0ce1ca1a-fefe-1dea-bd1c-d02394b4c994@embarqmail.com>

I do re-use those packing peanuts because if I do not they will pile up 
from the packages I receive.  I believe Elecraft does the same thing.
Yes, those white ones will almost jump out of the package and stick to 
most anything.
Normally the 'goodies' in the box are wrapped in some kind of plastic or 
bubble wrap (or in the case of Elecraft kits, smaller boxes) If you 
reach in and extract the enclosed items you can normally pick up the box 
and dump (brush) the packing peanuts into a garbage bag or other container.

Be cautious about what you are packing when using those large air-filled 
bags.  They work fine for lightweight items, but for heavy items like a 
radio, those air bags often get compressed and burst allowing the 
heavier objects to move around in the shipping carton - a recipe for damage.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 6/17/2017 6:06 PM, Jim Brown wrote:
> 
> Yes, there FAR better options. My favorite is bubble wrap, which I save 
> and re-use. The bags of air work well for some kinds of products.

From docwatt at gmail.com  Sat Jun 17 19:02:59 2017
From: docwatt at gmail.com (Tom Field)
Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2017 16:02:59 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Battery Life
Message-ID: <ACC889FF-2795-4274-BBFC-A0744A18DC42@gmail.com>

I?ve recently become interested in portable operating with my KX3. I?m using the Panasonic Enloop NiMH batteries.  I find that the batteries last for less than 2 hrs.  Should I expect longer battery life. I just charged them on the external Panasonic charge and confirmed post charge voltage >1.3 volts.  

Tom
KN6DR

From ron at cobi.biz  Sat Jun 17 19:22:57 2017
From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire)
Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2017 16:22:57 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Packing Peanuts
In-Reply-To: <0ce1ca1a-fefe-1dea-bd1c-d02394b4c994@embarqmail.com>
References: <4l2qqs2bv1u20wt1k0roxjn0.1497729632803@email.android.com>	<621b8ebb-f82b-b5a4-9a2a-ed37b7a5576c@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<0ce1ca1a-fefe-1dea-bd1c-d02394b4c994@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <000001d2e7c0$a8093b00$f81bb100$@biz>

By now someone must have done a graduate thesis on the lost productive hours
caused by people chasing those things. 

So how many cubic kilometers of peanuts are lying buried in landfills? How
many are stuck in the guts of hapless seagulls and other scavengers? 

Boggles the mind.

73, Ron AC7AC 





From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Sat Jun 17 19:26:28 2017
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2017 19:26:28 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Battery Life
In-Reply-To: <ACC889FF-2795-4274-BBFC-A0744A18DC42@gmail.com>
References: <ACC889FF-2795-4274-BBFC-A0744A18DC42@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d578b1e2-0f2b-ace0-2854-fa91219c8261@embarqmail.com>

Tom,

It sounds like you may not have set the menu BAT MIN to 8.5 volts as 
recommended for NiMH batteries.  The default before BAT LOW is displayed 
is 10 volts.  8 NiMH batteries will discharge quickly to below that 10 
volt level, but the time between 10 volts and 8.5 volts will be much 
greater.

Look at page 36 of the manual for BAT MIN recommndations for several 
different battery types.  The default of 10 volts works well with Gel 
Cells, which of course are external.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 6/17/2017 7:02 PM, Tom Field wrote:
> I?ve recently become interested in portable operating with my KX3. I?m using the Panasonic Enloop NiMH batteries.  I find that the batteries last for less than 2 hrs.  Should I expect longer battery life. I just charged them on the external Panasonic charge and confirmed post charge voltage >1.3 volts.

From rick at tavan.com  Sat Jun 17 19:31:28 2017
From: rick at tavan.com (Rick Tavan)
Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2017 16:31:28 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Packing Peanuts
In-Reply-To: <4l2qqs2bv1u20wt1k0roxjn0.1497729632803@email.android.com>
References: <4l2qqs2bv1u20wt1k0roxjn0.1497729632803@email.android.com>
Message-ID: <CANVONAJqi8paT2GnJ191R0obB31gGKTKEpZn6ucQ6sApH08ihw@mail.gmail.com>

Yeah, they're a bit annoying but I can live with them. What I can't
tolerate is those rigid plastic blister packs that are nearly impossible to
open without a power tool. Online vendors should disclose usage of that
packaging technique so one can decline to purchase the stuff. Some
companies are beginning to advertise "user friendly packaging." I like them!

73,

/Rick N6XI

On Sat, Jun 17, 2017 at 1:20 PM, Dauer, Edward <edauer at law.du.edu> wrote:

> Just received a K2 kit via UPS -- my third in fact -- and spent 20 comical
> minutes trying to empty out the styrofoam packing peanuts.
>
> They come, apparently, fully charged.  They cling to my fingers.  They
> cling to my shirt.  They cling to the outer shipping box.  After I get
> about ten handfuls into a small trash bag the common charge results in the
> smaller pieces flying out again.  Back onto my fingers.  Grabbing them with
> one hand while holding a cold water faucet with the other didn' t help at
> all.
>
> Whenever I get a kit I feel as if I have to do the electrostatic
> equivalent of a detox shower before I do the parts inventory.  Isn't there
> some good substitute for these accursed things?  Maybe like their ancestors
> -- real peanuts?  At least you can eat those while you're unpacking the kit
> . . .
>
> Ted, KN1CBR
>
>
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone
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From docwatt at gmail.com  Sat Jun 17 19:50:39 2017
From: docwatt at gmail.com (Tom Field)
Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2017 16:50:39 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Battery Life
Message-ID: <693E3E5F-0358-479A-8F25-C57171A2FD65@gmail.com>

Thanks Don, Indeed the Low Bat was set at 10. I moved it to 8.5.  And I?m using the Black Enloop Pro batteries.  

Waiting for FD

73
Tom
KN6DR

From va3on at crrl.ca  Sat Jun 17 20:08:06 2017
From: va3on at crrl.ca (Rod Hardman(VA3ON))
Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2017 20:08:06 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Packing Peanuts
In-Reply-To: <CANVONAJqi8paT2GnJ191R0obB31gGKTKEpZn6ucQ6sApH08ihw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4l2qqs2bv1u20wt1k0roxjn0.1497729632803@email.android.com>
	<CANVONAJqi8paT2GnJ191R0obB31gGKTKEpZn6ucQ6sApH08ihw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <DBCCC64B-B4CD-4350-8F70-F80273AF1B50@crrl.ca>

Actually there is a pretty good substitute package ng peanut made of starch. (You can eat them, although I don't suggest it having ng "demoed" that in many a warehouse tour years ago) they also hold less of a charge and "melt" in water. Pretty cool stuff and recommended!

/rod VA3ON

On Jun 17, 2017, at 19:31, Rick Tavan <rick at tavan.com> wrote:

Yeah, they're a bit annoying but I can live with them. What I can't
tolerate is those rigid plastic blister packs that are nearly impossible to
open without a power tool. Online vendors should disclose usage of that
packaging technique so one can decline to purchase the stuff. Some
companies are beginning to advertise "user friendly packaging." I like them!

73,

/Rick N6XI

> On Sat, Jun 17, 2017 at 1:20 PM, Dauer, Edward <edauer at law.du.edu> wrote:
> 
> Just received a K2 kit via UPS -- my third in fact -- and spent 20 comical
> minutes trying to empty out the styrofoam packing peanuts.
> 
> They come, apparently, fully charged.  They cling to my fingers.  They
> cling to my shirt.  They cling to the outer shipping box.  After I get
> about ten handfuls into a small trash bag the common charge results in the
> smaller pieces flying out again.  Back onto my fingers.  Grabbing them with
> one hand while holding a cold water faucet with the other didn' t help at
> all.
> 
> Whenever I get a kit I feel as if I have to do the electrostatic
> equivalent of a detox shower before I do the parts inventory.  Isn't there
> some good substitute for these accursed things?  Maybe like their ancestors
> -- real peanuts?  At least you can eat those while you're unpacking the kit
> . . .
> 
> Ted, KN1CBR
> 
> 
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone
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From endeavor29 at outlook.com  Sat Jun 17 20:13:36 2017
From: endeavor29 at outlook.com (Stephen Hanes)
Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2017 00:13:36 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Wire size for the ground on the KX2
Message-ID: <CY1PR16MB087331A491D39FBCE18F8560D7C70@CY1PR16MB0873.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>

Fred,

I guess that I was making the assumption [not good!] that the input would be protected by a gas-tube discharge device, such as those made by Alpha-Delta --- I try to always use one of these at the input of any radio. Of course, what is still needed is to discharge the excess charge, and that is what I addressed in my first note.

73,
Steve, K4VWS

Sent from Windows Mail



Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2017 13:59:08 -0700

From: Fred Jensen <k6dgw at foothill.net<mailto:k6dgw at foothill.net>>

To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net<mailto:elecraft at mailman.qth.net>

Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Wire size for the ground on the KX2

Message-ID: <bba0d558-b6e5-7b17-2e8f-17dab698298e at foothill.net<mailto:bba0d558-b6e5-7b17-2e8f-17dab698298e at foothill.net>>

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But be wary however.  That, in itself, may not and often does not offer any protection at all. Each little charge from rain or snow static may be minuscule, but they charge the input capacitance of the device in the radio and eventually it breaks downbetween the input and the chassis.

Just grounding the chassis or ground plane on a PCB does nothing to change that, it's the charge across the input that matters.



I believe, but do not know for sure, that Elecraft designs all have a static bleed across the antenna connection.  Possibly someone who knows can enlighten all the rest of us. If you want to be sure and don't want to take your radio apart, wire a 100K-200K 1/8 W resistor across a

PL-259 [or BNC].  Put a T-adapter onto the radio, resistor on one leg, antenna on the other.



A number of years ago, our Cal QSO crew in Alpine county fried two PROIII's from snow static for lack of a bleed. Total ham experience on the crew was in the 300 year range ... You'd think someone would havethought of it. [:-)



73,



Fred ("Skip") K6DGW

Sparks NV USA

Washoe County DM09dn




From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Sat Jun 17 20:18:04 2017
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2017 20:18:04 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Wire size for the ground on the KX2
In-Reply-To: <bba0d558-b6e5-7b17-2e8f-17dab698298e@foothill.net>
References: <CY1PR16MB087371C792AEF5D9B9833C3ED7C60@CY1PR16MB0873.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
	<bba0d558-b6e5-7b17-2e8f-17dab698298e@foothill.net>
Message-ID: <d9b4b340-6268-a138-0233-3058d6c2a336@embarqmail.com>

Skip,

Yes, I believe that later Elecraft products do have a static bleed or 
other static prevention across the antenna connections.

BUT for K2 owners, that is not the case.  The original KPA100 design had 
a 100uH RF Choke across the antenna terminals for just that purpose, but 
the latest KPA100 upgrade (to reduce the chance of an oscillation of 
about 8MHz when on 40 meters) the choke was removed because it coupled 
with the base K2 causing the oscillation.

For those K2 that I repair that have damaged wattmeter diodes in the 
KPA100, I have been installing a non-reactive 47k 2 watt resistor across 
the SO-239 jack, and also across the antenna jacks in the KAT100 (I put 
them on the bottom of the board, it is easier than soldering directly to 
the jacks).

The best defense is to disconnect the antenna(s) when not in use.

Your solution of putting a Tee adapter on the rig with a resistor 
soldered into a PL-259 on one side of the Tee is a good one.
The resistor can be smaller than 100-200k, but as the value gets 
smaller, the wattage should go up.  I would not recommend anything less 
than 33k ohms.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 6/17/2017 4:59 PM, Fred Jensen wrote:

> I believe, but do not know for sure, that Elecraft designs all have a 
> static bleed across the antenna connection.  Possibly someone who knows 
> can enlighten all the rest of us. If you want to be sure and don't want 
> to take your radio apart, wire a 100K-200K 1/8 W resistor across a 
> PL-259 [or BNC].  Put a T-adapter onto the radio, resistor on one leg, 
> antenna on the other.

From pincon at erols.com  Sat Jun 17 20:43:12 2017
From: pincon at erols.com (Charlie T, K3ICH)
Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2017 20:43:12 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Corn Starch Packing Peanuts
Message-ID: <008801d2e7cb$e178e6a0$a46ab3e0$@erols.com>

BUT, don't use them if they've absorbed too much moisture.  They shrink &
get hard as a rock.  They'll scratch up your radio AND have virtually no
shock ability when they get that way
Also, they weigh more than the Styrofoam which lasts indefinitely.

I generally just throw them in the wood stove if it's winter, or leave them
out in the rain so they melt in summer.

73, Charlie k3ICH


-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net
[mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Rod Hardman(VA3ON)
Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2017 8:08 PM
To: Rick Tavan <rick at tavan.com>
Cc: Dauer, Edward <edauer at law.du.edu>; elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Packing Peanuts

Actually there is a pretty good substitute package ng peanut made of starch.
(You can eat them, although I don't suggest it having ng "demoed" that in
many a warehouse tour years ago) they also hold less of a charge and "melt"
in water. Pretty cool stuff and recommended!

/rod VA3ON

On Jun 17, 2017, at 19:31, Rick Tavan <rick at tavan.com> wrote:

Yeah, they're a bit annoying but I can live with them. What I can't tolerate
is those rigid plastic blister packs that are nearly impossible to open
without a power tool. Online vendors should disclose usage of that packaging
technique so one can decline to purchase the stuff. Some companies are
beginning to advertise "user friendly packaging." I like them!

73,

/Rick N6XI

> On Sat, Jun 17, 2017 at 1:20 PM, Dauer, Edward <edauer at law.du.edu> wrote:
> 
> Just received a K2 kit via UPS -- my third in fact -- and spent 20 
> comical minutes trying to empty out the styrofoam packing peanuts.
> 
> They come, apparently, fully charged.  They cling to my fingers.  They 
> cling to my shirt.  They cling to the outer shipping box.  After I get 
> about ten handfuls into a small trash bag the common charge results in 
> the smaller pieces flying out again.  Back onto my fingers.  Grabbing 
> them with one hand while holding a cold water faucet with the other 
> didn' t help at all.
> 
> Whenever I get a kit I feel as if I have to do the electrostatic 
> equivalent of a detox shower before I do the parts inventory.  Isn't 
> there some good substitute for these accursed things?  Maybe like 
> their ancestors
> -- real peanuts?  At least you can eat those while you're unpacking 
> the kit . . .
> 
> Ted, KN1CBR
> 
> 
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone 
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From wunder at wunderwood.org  Sat Jun 17 21:12:20 2017
From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood)
Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2017 18:12:20 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Battery Life
In-Reply-To: <693E3E5F-0358-479A-8F25-C57171A2FD65@gmail.com>
References: <693E3E5F-0358-479A-8F25-C57171A2FD65@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4DB53F3D-70F3-487A-9933-1FF29A9FE4A6@wunderwood.org>

The Eneloop batteries are great. 

wunder
K6WRU
Walter Underwood
CM87wj
http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog)

> On Jun 17, 2017, at 4:50 PM, Tom Field <docwatt at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Thanks Don, Indeed the Low Bat was set at 10. I moved it to 8.5.  And I?m using the Black Enloop Pro batteries.  
> 
> Waiting for FD
> 
> 73
> Tom
> KN6DR
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From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Sat Jun 17 21:46:05 2017
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2017 21:46:05 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 and RTTY problem.
In-Reply-To: <00bd01d2e7a3$8111f950$8335ebf0$@com>
References: <00bd01d2e7a3$8111f950$8335ebf0$@com>
Message-ID: <24e0a56e-1157-43f5-7bd2-ad0979191d8c@embarqmail.com>

Jerry,

That sounds like more an N1MM problem than a KX3 problem.  I would 
suggest seeking help on the N1MM support group if you have not received 
any responses from this group.

There are subtle differences between the K3 and KX3 and this may be one 
of them.  The N1MM software needs to take that into account.

BTW, your RTTY messages will switch to receive only after a 4 second 
'diddle' time unless the KX3 (K3 too) receives the "IM" command.  It is 
sent in ASCII as the "|" character.  At least that is what is used in 
K3/KX3 messages.  I have no idea if it behaves the same way from N1MM 
macros, but give it a try.  For CW, that character is ignored, but it 
stops transmission immediately in digital modes.  If you are using the 
CW paddles to enter ?CW to be translated to RTTY and other digital modes 
enter it as "IM" with no space (like prosigns).
That means that the same K3/KX3 messages can be used for both CW and 
digital modes.

I use those messages from the K3 natively (M1 thru M8 [both tap and 
hold] messages) for our Field Day setup but we do not use a logger like 
N1MM for our operation.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 6/17/2017 3:54 PM, Jerry wrote:


> 
> I set up N1MM with FLdigi and on the N1MM F1 function key I have the
> following: RUN CQ, {TX} CQ  CQ FD W1IE {RX}. When I press the F1 key, the
> audio kicks in and I hear about a half second of audio being transmitted. My
> K3 receives the audio without distortion and the output is displayed on the
> N1MM digital interface screen, a single character, in this case, a "R". It
> does not matter which function key I use, I get the same result.  If I use
> the CTRL - K key, then the N1MM pushes out to the KX3 whatever  is in the
> buffer and when the buffer ends, then it diddles until I press the ESC key.

From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Sat Jun 17 21:55:52 2017
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2017 21:55:52 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S no RF at CW
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Marian,

I think you need to contact K3support at elecraft.com about this if you 
have not already.  Perhaps they will have some additional things you can 
try.

Since you have have already tried EEINIT there is little that we can 
offer in addition as K3 users.

Unfortunately, they will not be available until Monday, and will have to 
wade through a lot of support email Monday - patience is a virtue.  They 
are running short-staffed at the moment.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 6/17/2017 11:35 AM, kismarian at hotmail.com wrote:
> No, the TXTEST is not enabled and TX indicator is not flashing, The power level is set well above zero to 5 ,10 or 12 W. I tried DATA as FSK-Direct and PSK-Direct. With AFSK, feeding soundcard output to SSB modulator, I suppose DATA would work.
> 
> The problem appeared first as inability to calibrate. K3 Utility commanded K3S to RF power 5 W and radio responded with RF output power 0 W. TUNE was giving also 0 W RF power.
> 
> Then I set 2-Tone on and in SSB mode I got RF power as set with PWR knob. After setting MH-2 mic bias on and 2-Tone off I was able to transmit SSB to a dummy load. After setting SSB+CW I was able to transmit CW full power (12W) to dummy load in SSB mode.
> 
> With MODE set to CW or CW-R the RF power is still at 1 bar even with VOX on and PWR knob set well above zero  to 5, 10 W. TUNE gives two dashes ("- -") on main VFO  frequency display and "0.0 W" on VFO-B. RF power and K3 Utility is still unable to calibrate. TX_INHibit is set to off. I can hear my Morse code on another radio, but the RF power is very low.
> 
> I am afraid some solder joint around DSP might have failed during the bumpy UPS truck ride on old Route 66 from California to New York.

From garyk9gs at wi.rr.com  Sat Jun 17 23:02:02 2017
From: garyk9gs at wi.rr.com (GaryK9GS)
Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2017 22:02:02 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Packing Peanuts
Message-ID: <A2.21.01815.C2DE5495@dnvrco-omsmta03>

Frankly I'm shocked that Elecraft used Styrofoam packing peanuts. ? I work in electronics manufacturing and my company has banned them from our building well over a decade ago. ?All of our vendors are required to not use them. ?They are a killer for electronic components.
It is precisely the static charge that causes them to stick to everything. ? What do you think happens to that static charge that is present on your body after handling this packing material when you open a static bag containing static sensitive parts? ?It has to go somewhere.


73,
Gary K9GS
-------- Original message --------From: "Ian Kahn, KM4IK" <km4ik.ian at gmail.com> Date: 6/17/17  4:23 PM  (GMT-06:00) To: 'Kevin - K4VD' <kevin at k4vd.net>, 'Elecraft Reflector' <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Packing Peanuts 
On every Elecraft kit I've ever gotten, any static-sensitive parts are
packed in anti-static protective bags. Shouldn?t be an issue.

73 de,

--Ian
Ian Kahn, KM4IK
Roswell, GA? EM74ua
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10-10 #74624 ?North Georgia Chapter #2038
PODXS 070 #1962
K3 #281, P3 #688 KAT500 #860, KPA500 #1468

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Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2017 5:17 PM
To: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Packing Peanuts

Does being packed in all those static-charged peanuts represent a danger to
electronic equipment like the K2?

Kev K4VD

On Sat, Jun 17, 2017 at 4:44 PM, Rose <elecraftcovers at gmail.com> wrote:

> Or hair spray ...
>
> 73
>
> Ken - K0PP
>
> On Jun 17, 2017 14:42, "Bob McGraw K4TAX" <rmcgraw at blomand.net> wrote:
>
> > Just spray the inside of the trash container with Fabric Softener.? 
> > As to the ones in the box, same thing.? Static gone.
> >
> > 73
> >
> > Bob, K4TAX
> >
> >
> > On 6/17/2017 3:20 PM, Dauer, Edward wrote:
> >
> >> Just received a K2 kit via UPS -- my third in fact -- and spent 20 
> >> comical minutes trying to empty out the styrofoam packing peanuts.
> >>
> >> They come, apparently, fully charged.? They cling to my fingers.? 
> >> They cling to my shirt.? They cling to the outer shipping box.? 
> >> After I get about ten handfuls into a small trash bag the common 
> >> charge results in
> the
> >> smaller pieces flying out again.? Back onto my fingers.? Grabbing 
> >> them
> with
> >> one hand while holding a cold water faucet with the other didn' t 
> >> help
> at
> >> all.
> >>
> >> Whenever I get a kit I feel as if I have to do the electrostatic 
> >> equivalent of a detox shower before I do the parts inventory.? 
> >> Isn't
> there
> >> some good substitute for these accursed things?? Maybe like their
> ancestors
> >> -- real peanuts?? At least you can eat those while you're unpacking 
> >> the
> kit
> >> . . .
> >>
> >> Ted, KN1CBR
> >>
> >>
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From ron at cobi.biz  Sat Jun 17 23:22:28 2017
From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire)
Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2017 20:22:28 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Packing Peanuts
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I dislike the peanuts too but about the static charge note that all the Elecraft manuals instruct builders to wear a grounded wrist strap or as a minimum, touch a metallic ground before touching any sensitive parts. 

73. Ron AC7AC

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From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of GaryK9GS
Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2017 8:02 PM
To: Ian Kahn, KM4IK; 'Kevin - K4VD'; 'Elecraft Reflector'
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Packing Peanuts

Frankly I'm shocked that Elecraft used Styrofoam packing peanuts.   I work in electronics manufacturing and my company has banned them from our building well over a decade ago.  All of our vendors are required to not use them.  They are a killer for electronic components.
It is precisely the static charge that causes them to stick to everything.   What do you think happens to that static charge that is present on your body after handling this packing material when you open a static bag containing static sensitive parts?  It has to go somewhere.


73,
Gary K9GS


From vk6vz at arach.net.au  Sun Jun 18 00:18:15 2017
From: vk6vz at arach.net.au (Steve Ireland)
Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2017 12:18:15 +0800
Subject: [Elecraft] A question about using the K3S with KPA500 on
	fullbreak-in
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Hi Fred

Thank you so much for the information and the K-line intro_guide PDF ? very much appreciated!  It looks like the key to the situation is connecting the ACC connector from the K3S to the KPA500 and, once this is done, the KPA500 will follow the K3S settings, i.e. if the K3S is set to full-break in, the KPA500 will follow this.

Have a great weekend!!!

Vy 73

Steve, VK6VZ 

From: Cady, Fred 
Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2017 10:51 AM
To: Steve Ireland ; elecraft at mailman.qth.net 
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] A question about using the K3S with KPA500 on fullbreak-in

Hi Steve,

Maybe the K-line_intro_guide.pdf available at http://www.ke7x.com/home/k-line-introduction-and-set-up-guide might help.  Although written for the K3, there isn't anything different you need to do for the K3S.

73,

Fred KE7X



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Subject: [Elecraft] A question about using the K3S with KPA500 on full break-in 

G?day

A good friend of mine for who English is not his first language is wanting to run full-break in with his K3S and KPA500. The KPA500 manual appears not to have a section in it on doing full break-in with the K3S. 

Please can someone on the list let me know what interconnections/cables are required between the two transceivers to do this and whether there are any menu selections that need to be made, so I can pass this information onto him.

Thank you!

Vy 73

Steve, VK6VZ/G3ZZD  

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From jackbrindle at me.com  Sun Jun 18 00:41:48 2017
From: jackbrindle at me.com (Jack Brindle)
Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2017 21:41:48 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] A question about using the K3S with KPA500 on
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The KPA500 is a full-break-in amplifier without doing anything to it. There is no setup, you just use it.
There is no communications between the K3 and KPA500 as to the need for break-in,  just set the
K3 or K3S as desired (break-in or not) and the KPA500 will work just fine!

- Jack Brindle, W6FB
Elecraft Engineering

> On Jun 17, 2017, at 9:18 PM, Steve Ireland <vk6vz at arach.net.au> wrote:
> 
> Hi Fred
> 
> Thank you so much for the information and the K-line intro_guide PDF ? very much appreciated!  It looks like the key to the situation is connecting the ACC connector from the K3S to the KPA500 and, once this is done, the KPA500 will follow the K3S settings, i.e. if the K3S is set to full-break in, the KPA500 will follow this.
> 
> Have a great weekend!!!
> 
> Vy 73
> 
> Steve, VK6VZ 
> 
> From: Cady, Fred 
> Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2017 10:51 AM
> To: Steve Ireland ; elecraft at mailman.qth.net 
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] A question about using the K3S with KPA500 on fullbreak-in
> 
> Hi Steve,
> 
> Maybe the K-line_intro_guide.pdf available at http://www.ke7x.com/home/k-line-introduction-and-set-up-guide might help.  Although written for the K3, there isn't anything different you need to do for the K3S.
> 
> 73,
> 
> Fred KE7X
> 
> 
> 
> For all KE7X Elecraft books, see www.elecraft.com
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> on behalf of Steve Ireland <vk6vz at arach.net.au>
> Sent: Friday, June 16, 2017 8:03 PM
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [Elecraft] A question about using the K3S with KPA500 on full break-in 
> 
> G?day
> 
> A good friend of mine for who English is not his first language is wanting to run full-break in with his K3S and KPA500. The KPA500 manual appears not to have a section in it on doing full break-in with the K3S. 
> 
> Please can someone on the list let me know what interconnections/cables are required between the two transceivers to do this and whether there are any menu selections that need to be made, so I can pass this information onto him.
> 
> Thank you!
> 
> Vy 73
> 
> Steve, VK6VZ/G3ZZD  
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From kevinr at coho.net  Sun Jun 18 01:22:40 2017
From: kevinr at coho.net (kevinr at coho.net)
Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2017 22:22:40 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Announcement
Message-ID: <d731b539-4d99-b81e-e685-835cf310c7bb@coho.net>

Good Evening,

After a very cool, wet week the sun may come out again tomorrow.  It has 
been a long spring this year.  The Doug fir are putting on a lot of new 
growth but it's been too wet to take a decent walk.  Hopefully the 
upcoming change of seasons will finally bring with it the dry period.

Static is not normally a problem here in the Pacific Northwest.  Nothing 
like the torture of walking across carpeting and touching anything metal 
in Albuquerque.  While building my K2 as well as my computers and robots 
I was grounded at all times.  Even moving on my chair was enough to zap 
a FET.  Here the mist keeps static levels very low, even in winter; but 
then I heat with wood which does not keep the house at tinder dry levels.

The sun has not been very active.  But, then, I have been buried in a 
system with virtual destructors giving me fits. This is not just a 
memory leak, it is a veritable flood.  I find debugging multi-threaded 
routines using interrupts easier!  Hopefully the sun (and those 
destructors) will cooperate soon.

Please join us tomorrow on:

    14050 kHz at 2200z Sunday (3 PM PDT Sunday)
     7045 kHz at 0000z Monday (5 PM PDT Sunday)

     73,
         Kevin. KD5ONS

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From g4gnx at g4gnx.com  Sun Jun 18 05:02:29 2017
From: g4gnx at g4gnx.com (G4GNX)
Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2017 10:02:29 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] Packing Peanuts
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If people follow the Elecraft instructions to the letter, the static charge 
will be dissipated through the wrist strap.

If they don't follow the instructions, it's their own stupid fault!

73,

Alan. G4GNX

-----Original Message----- 
From: GaryK9GS
Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2017 4:02 AM
To: Ian Kahn, KM4IK ; 'Kevin - K4VD' ; 'Elecraft Reflector'
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Packing Peanuts

Frankly I'm shocked that Elecraft used Styrofoam packing peanuts.   I work 
in electronics manufacturing and my company has banned them from our 
building well over a decade ago.  All of our vendors are required to not use 
them.  They are a killer for electronic components.
It is precisely the static charge that causes them to stick to everything. 
What do you think happens to that static charge that is present on your body 
after handling this packing material when you open a static bag containing 
static sensitive parts?  It has to go somewhere.


73,
Gary K9GS


From nborghetti at alice.it  Sun Jun 18 05:45:41 2017
From: nborghetti at alice.it (Natale Borghetti)
Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2017 11:45:41 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] K3+P3+Microkeyer II
Message-ID: <768376c5-b41b-156f-2dd6-fe2efbfd0592@alice.it>

I have installed K3+P3+Microkeyer II and as result I have all the com 
ports busy.....now I am setting up the OM-POwer 2000A+ amplifier and in 
order to have the automatic tuning I have to supply the RTX 
frequency......how can I do it ???

Some say to me...using the CI-V Icom interface of the Microkeyer 
II...but what to set in the amplifier ??

Some say just install a Y cable at the output of RTX rs232

Just to give an idea of my wiring:

K3 rs232 go to P3 DB9 Labelled XCVR

Microkeyer rs232 go to P3 Labelled PC


I am missing some thing ???

Hoping on some help and advice


73 and DX



-- 
Natale Borghetti

I5NPH

nborghetti at alice.it

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From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Sun Jun 18 06:53:17 2017
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2017 06:53:17 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3+P3+Microkeyer II
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Natale,

Put the "Y" cable at the PC connector on the P3.
As far as how to set your amplifier, I leave that to others familiar 
with that amp to answer.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 6/18/2017 5:45 AM, Natale Borghetti wrote:
> I have installed K3+P3+Microkeyer II and as result I have all the com 
> ports busy.....now I am setting up the OM-POwer 2000A+ amplifier and in 
> order to have the automatic tuning I have to supply the RTX 
> frequency......how can I do it ???
> 

From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Sun Jun 18 06:57:29 2017
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2017 06:57:29 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K-Pod software 1.09
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Art,

Yes, the K-Pod knob moves at 1/2 the rate of the K3 VFO knob.  It is 
intended to be that way.

The software does not change that relationship.  There were counts being 
lost between the K-Pod and the K3.  That was what the buffer fixed.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 6/17/2017 11:21 AM, Art via Elecraft wrote:
> The description of the update states ":Changes encoder operation to allow the K-Pod to buffer encoder counts to the K3. This helps the K3 and K-Pod remain in sync."
> 
> 
> However, that's not my experience. I have the VFO set to 200 CTS, so the K-Pod should match it after this update. However, the K-Pod only moves 100 CTS-exactly half of what the main VFO moves. Tried going to 400 CTS on the main VFO. K-Pod then moves 200 CTS.

From g8kbvdave at googlemail.com  Sun Jun 18 07:02:08 2017
From: g8kbvdave at googlemail.com (Dave B)
Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2017 12:02:08 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] Seeking input on KPA1500 station
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Unless you have some of the popular AV/AM software packages running,
that will actively prevent such things.

Don't ask how I know, but we have LAN equipped kit at work, where sadly
due to the AV/AM security software that we have no visibility into, it
intercepts and blocks many LAN protocols and such, that it doesn't know
about.

We have to get IP addresses white listed for them to work, and even then
there are issues.    It's easier to use an old PC that has been stripped
of all such nonsense, we just make sure it's never used on the office
LAN itself these days.

That, and if there is a LAN port, you usually need a way to control it's
settings (IP address, Mask, default gateway etc) else you need to use
RARP to find it's IP address from it's MAC address.   As per the popular
(and very good) Lantronix product line.   But finding an AV/AM package
that will not scream blue murder when it sees RARP being used is another
stumbling block.

Then, there are the potential security issues.  How many LAN equipped
bits of kit, have had their IP stack fully vetted and tested to behave
correctly under all situations, plus the products own firmware needs to
be written with security in mind.

There's enough chaos already from consumer IoT things, from light bulbs
to TV/PVR boxes, we don't want similar nonsense in the shack, nor want
Elecraft to become yet another IoT bot target.   (Google "mirai botnet"
for an example.)

RS232 works, & is difficult to remotely hijack for malicious purposes.  
USB connectivity works too (often emulating legacy com ports etc) and is
easy to implement.   There is nothing "Wrong" with LAN ports for control
and I/O etc, but in this day and age, it has to be done perfectly, or
not at all.  And doing that is not trivial!

Plus, any "PC software" will need to be cross platform too.  NOT just
Windoze.   (A Java app perhaps?)   Or, fully disclose and publish the
protocol used by the "device" so the rest of us can use it.

Plus, will users who don't even understand simple serial port settings
even get their heads around LAN address settings and such, plus some
people will then want WiFi because they don't like wired LAN systems.  
Where do you stop?

Oh, and EMC issues.  QRO RF and LAN systems often don't co-exist well,
also LAN cables can, and often do leak QRM, so you'll be needing STP
cables, not exactly low cost.  Again, I know this from first hand
experience, at work and play!

Why not use Optical fibre links, and simple RS232 like
commands/responses.  RF proof, no radiated EMI, no ground loop issues,
low cost, and 99% of all the needed code probably already exists.  
Ready made cables and I/O ports exist (Toslink among others, good enough
for the golden ears brigade, so...)

Just my take on it.

73.  Dave G0WBX.


On 17/06/17 15:34, elecraft-request at mailman.qth.net wrote:
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Seeking input on KPA1500 station
> 	configurations
>
>
> My 2 cents.
>
> Drop the RS232 line totally and have only an IP / Lan connection.  This
> will solve so many connectivity issues.  With a PC client software, it will
> just find the amplifier.
>
> This is what other Amp vendors are now doing and it is litterly plug and
> play.
>
> The next K-radio should also be LAN aware.
>
> Mike va3mw


From g8kbvdave at googlemail.com  Sun Jun 18 07:06:26 2017
From: g8kbvdave at googlemail.com (Dave B)
Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2017 12:06:26 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] Remote Operating Time Sync
In-Reply-To: <mailman.855.1497710056.7807.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
References: <mailman.855.1497710056.7807.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID: <d1db8da9-49d7-180d-4b25-fc476df3ad4c@googlemail.com>

Because some modes start a transmission on a UTC minute boundary, +- a
second(ish)

The RX software records for a fixed length of time, then examines the
recording to extract the data.

If a transmission starts late or early by too much, the data wont be
decoded.

73.

Dave G0WBX.


On 17/06/17 15:34, elecraft-request at mailman.qth.net wrote:
> Subject: [Elecraft]  Remote Operating Time Sync
> Message-ID: <34bc96f6211f96522da09cad75bfcc41.squirrel at www11.qth.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain;charset=utf-8
>
> Why is accurate time important with these modes?
>
> John KK9A


From g8kbvdave at googlemail.com  Sun Jun 18 07:10:14 2017
From: g8kbvdave at googlemail.com (Dave B)
Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2017 12:10:14 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] Remote Operating Time Sync
In-Reply-To: <mailman.855.1497710056.7807.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
References: <mailman.855.1497710056.7807.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID: <2c39abdf-c181-555e-ba4c-3216c037053c@googlemail.com>

Really?

Remote operating (as in remote from civilization) is a common usage for
a lot of Elecrafters, so it's highly relevant.

There are subjects way more off topic that run on this list, often for
days/weeks.  You don't moderate them it seems.

73

    Dave G0WBX.


On 17/06/17 15:34, elecraft-request at mailman.qth.net wrote:
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Remote Operating Time Sync
> Message-ID: <f6ff3d12-1183-af7d-dcdc-b6f2626d186c at elecraft.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
>
> Let's wind this down now and end the thread.
>
> Lots of good info, but its way exceeding the OT posting limit of 5-10.   PLEASE 
> self-moderate on threads as they get longer and take extended discussions 
> off-list to direct email after 5-10 posts to relieve email overload for others.
>
> 73,
> Eric
> Mooderator etc.
> /elecraft.com/


From va3mw at portcredit.net  Sun Jun 18 07:56:42 2017
From: va3mw at portcredit.net (Michael Walker)
Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2017 07:56:42 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Seeking input on KPA1500 station
In-Reply-To: <b5dd70fa-2dab-61f5-504b-d7f64544cfd7@googlemail.com>
References: <mailman.855.1497710056.7807.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
	<b5dd70fa-2dab-61f5-504b-d7f64544cfd7@googlemail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+33ts6CFF88w+ZN_1brbprAg8wzYdemVMxXzR8B+WgZddvPpw@mail.gmail.com>

Dave et all

I still believe that Lan/IP is the way to go.  The way Flex is doing it
does not require it to be on your active network.  It works very well in a
peer to peer connection and it requires zero configuration.  Significantly
easier than configuring RS232.  The KPA500 software works well, but it have
to have some understanding of IP communication and RS232 configuration to
ensure it works.  I use it every day where the Server side of the KPA500
software (and the W2 for that matter) are running, but I then do an IP
connection to that software so I can see it from my main operating station.


1 Lan cable into the Flex radio and to the Amp at the same time.  But, if
you want it on your network, then you can do that as well.  It is really a
no brainer.

Personally, I have spent so much time debugging RS232 problems for people
and that really surprises me.   RS232 is not as plug and play as LAN is.
Today's people clearly understand it better.

Yes, I guess you can have AV issues, but that is more of the exception than
the norm.  Yes, if you mark all your NIC cards as Public, you are going to
have to white list everything, but there is no real requirement to have the
firewall turned on for machines behind your routers unless you are a belt
and suspenders person.  Certainly having it on on the Ham machines is not
wrong, but is another level of confusion.

A LAN based communications platform opens up the ham shack integration to
an entire new level.   I keep saying over and over that Ham Radio as a
hobby is a technical hobby where you are actually examined on your
technical understanding of how radio works, etc.  Yet, the overall average
of knowledge of a average ham seems to be going the wrong way where they
understand less just about how things work.

73, Mike va3mw








On Sun, Jun 18, 2017 at 7:02 AM, Dave B via Elecraft <
elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:

> Unless you have some of the popular AV/AM software packages running,
> that will actively prevent such things.
>
> Don't ask how I know, but we have LAN equipped kit at work, where sadly
> due to the AV/AM security software that we have no visibility into, it
> intercepts and blocks many LAN protocols and such, that it doesn't know
> about.
>
> We have to get IP addresses white listed for them to work, and even then
> there are issues.    It's easier to use an old PC that has been stripped
> of all such nonsense, we just make sure it's never used on the office
> LAN itself these days.
>
> That, and if there is a LAN port, you usually need a way to control it's
> settings (IP address, Mask, default gateway etc) else you need to use
> RARP to find it's IP address from it's MAC address.   As per the popular
> (and very good) Lantronix product line.   But finding an AV/AM package
> that will not scream blue murder when it sees RARP being used is another
> stumbling block.
>
> Then, there are the potential security issues.  How many LAN equipped
> bits of kit, have had their IP stack fully vetted and tested to behave
> correctly under all situations, plus the products own firmware needs to
> be written with security in mind.
>
> There's enough chaos already from consumer IoT things, from light bulbs
> to TV/PVR boxes, we don't want similar nonsense in the shack, nor want
> Elecraft to become yet another IoT bot target.   (Google "mirai botnet"
> for an example.)
>
> RS232 works, & is difficult to remotely hijack for malicious purposes.
> USB connectivity works too (often emulating legacy com ports etc) and is
> easy to implement.   There is nothing "Wrong" with LAN ports for control
> and I/O etc, but in this day and age, it has to be done perfectly, or
> not at all.  And doing that is not trivial!
>
> Plus, any "PC software" will need to be cross platform too.  NOT just
> Windoze.   (A Java app perhaps?)   Or, fully disclose and publish the
> protocol used by the "device" so the rest of us can use it.
>
> Plus, will users who don't even understand simple serial port settings
> even get their heads around LAN address settings and such, plus some
> people will then want WiFi because they don't like wired LAN systems.
> Where do you stop?
>
> Oh, and EMC issues.  QRO RF and LAN systems often don't co-exist well,
> also LAN cables can, and often do leak QRM, so you'll be needing STP
> cables, not exactly low cost.  Again, I know this from first hand
> experience, at work and play!
>
> Why not use Optical fibre links, and simple RS232 like
> commands/responses.  RF proof, no radiated EMI, no ground loop issues,
> low cost, and 99% of all the needed code probably already exists.
> Ready made cables and I/O ports exist (Toslink among others, good enough
> for the golden ears brigade, so...)
>
> Just my take on it.
>
> 73.  Dave G0WBX.
>
>
> On 17/06/17 15:34, elecraft-request at mailman.qth.net wrote:
> > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Seeking input on KPA1500 station
> >       configurations
> >
> >
> > My 2 cents.
> >
> > Drop the RS232 line totally and have only an IP / Lan connection.  This
> > will solve so many connectivity issues.  With a PC client software, it
> will
> > just find the amplifier.
> >
> > This is what other Amp vendors are now doing and it is litterly plug and
> > play.
> >
> > The next K-radio should also be LAN aware.
> >
> > Mike va3mw
>
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From lists at subich.com  Sun Jun 18 09:37:28 2017
From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV)
Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2017 09:37:28 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3+P3+Microkeyer II
In-Reply-To: <03cc064d-c487-26e6-ad5b-b16a97f89d5c@embarqmail.com>
References: <768376c5-b41b-156f-2dd6-fe2efbfd0592@alice.it>
	<03cc064d-c487-26e6-ad5b-b16a97f89d5c@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <0c728f7f-3e9d-6a57-55f9-c18b606206f1@subich.com>


Don is off base when he talks about a system using a microHAM
product.  Configure your station as shown in the application note
"Using the Icom PW-1"
   <http://microham-usa.com/store/cmspage.php?page_id=27>
at http://www.microHAM-USA.com/support.html

The connection diagram for microKEYER II is here:
   <http://www.microham-usa.com/appnotes/MK_II_PW-1.pdf>

You simply configure the amplifier as if it was connected to
an Icom transceiver - that information is generally in the
instruction manual provided by the amplifier manufacturer.

Note: this information applies to *any* frequency agile amplifier
capable of serial control using Icom protocol.  The information
in the application note "Using the Icom PW-1"
   <http://microham-usa.com/store/cmspage.php?page_id=27>
also covers interfacing of BCD controlled amplifiers - like the
Yaesu FL-7000/Quadra, Elecraft KPA500 (and KPA1500), Ameritron
ALS-600/1300/1306, etc. to transceivers which lack BCD outputs
using microHAM Station Master.

73,

    ... Joe, W4TV


On 6/18/2017 6:53 AM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
> Natale,
> 
> Put the "Y" cable at the PC connector on the P3.
> As far as how to set your amplifier, I leave that to others familiar 
> with that amp to answer.
> 
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
> 
> On 6/18/2017 5:45 AM, Natale Borghetti wrote:
>> I have installed K3+P3+Microkeyer II and as result I have all the com 
>> ports busy.....now I am setting up the OM-POwer 2000A+ amplifier and 
>> in order to have the automatic tuning I have to supply the RTX 
>> frequency......how can I do it ???
>>
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From tim.n9puz at gmail.com  Sun Jun 18 10:12:48 2017
From: tim.n9puz at gmail.com (Tim McDonough N9PUZ)
Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2017 09:12:48 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft KX2 Spinner Knob
In-Reply-To: <43f164e8-7240-334c-98ab-e9ed8981832d@gmail.com>
References: <43f164e8-7240-334c-98ab-e9ed8981832d@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3e1c0fb7-07d1-68c5-819c-27156e982d8a@gmail.com>

Occasionally there is some interest in a VFO knob with a dimple for the 
Elecraft KX2. I have not tried making one of these yet but a friend sent 
me this link to a set of 3D Printer files on Thingverse for a pretty 
cool looking spinner know for the KX2. Could be a project for next week!

<https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:2372467>

73,

Tim N9PUZ


From kstover at ac0h.net  Sun Jun 18 10:29:51 2017
From: kstover at ac0h.net (Kevin Stover, AC0H)
Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2017 09:29:51 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Packing Peanuts
In-Reply-To: <AEBBFD902FF142229C8D09625DA53F4A@G4GNXLaptop>
References: <A2.21.01815.C2DE5495@dnvrco-omsmta03>
	<AEBBFD902FF142229C8D09625DA53F4A@G4GNXLaptop>
Message-ID: <90e12d37-f0ab-30db-9e78-d747eb5a1840@ac0h.net>

Ditto.
The prime directive. Follow the manufacturers instructions.

On 6/18/2017 4:02 AM, G4GNX wrote:
> If people follow the Elecraft instructions to the letter, the static 
> charge will be dissipated through the wrist strap.
> 
> If they don't follow the instructions, it's their own stupid fault!
> 
> 73,
> 
> Alan. G4GNX
> 
> -----Original Message----- From: GaryK9GS
> Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2017 4:02 AM
> To: Ian Kahn, KM4IK ; 'Kevin - K4VD' ; 'Elecraft Reflector'
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Packing Peanuts
> 
> Frankly I'm shocked that Elecraft used Styrofoam packing peanuts.   I 
> work in electronics manufacturing and my company has banned them from 
> our building well over a decade ago.  All of our vendors are required to 
> not use them.  They are a killer for electronic components.
> It is precisely the static charge that causes them to stick to 
> everything. What do you think happens to that static charge that is 
> present on your body after handling this packing material when you open 
> a static bag containing static sensitive parts?  It has to go somewhere.
> 
> 
> 73,
> Gary K9GS
> 
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SKCC #215
NAQCC #3441
ARRL

From etksubs at gmail.com  Sun Jun 18 10:34:04 2017
From: etksubs at gmail.com (E T)
Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2017 10:34:04 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] New KX3 firmware available that restores original AF
 gain level
In-Reply-To: <20380A5C-6C19-47AC-9646-7A0368EF4509@elecraft.com>
References: <20380A5C-6C19-47AC-9646-7A0368EF4509@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <371182DC-D530-4E39-8675-7FA2D5C3FDCA@gmail.com>

Hi Wayne,

There is one major quirk with the new ATU.DATA menu item on the KX3.  When using the KXPA100 the menu item shows up with the label N/A and value "--".  And then when you scroll up or down to the next menu item it takes up to a second to show the correct label.  Even when you are scrolling fast through the items and go past that one the N/A appears and persists as you scroll.  All the other transitions are immediate except this one.  Shouldn't the label still show as ATU.DATA and have the value show "--" or "N/A"?  E.g. like 2M/4M shows as "not inSt".

I'm going to update my KX2 to the beta that also has this and see if it also shows the same quirk.

  Thanks and 73,
  Erik Tkal  -  W1QED


On Apr 27, 2017, at 11:38 PM, Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com> wrote:

Hi all,

Rev. 2.70 KX3 firmware unintentionally reduced the max AF gain setting for both speaker and headphones. (We improved the granularity of the AF GAIN control at the low end but didn?t get around to scaling the high end back up to the original level.)

If you were affected by this and would like to try the field test release (rev. 2.76), please email me directly. 

This rev also includes the new ?ATU DATA? menu entry, which gives you two full sets of per-band ATU data for use when running the KX3 ?barefoot? (without the KXPA100/KXAT100). Typically one set would be used at home, the other in the field. If you do a lot of outings, this can save you the trouble of re-matching all of your antennas when you get home. Another use for this is with two different antennas for a given band.

73,
Wayne
N6KR


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From edauer at law.du.edu  Sun Jun 18 11:00:21 2017
From: edauer at law.du.edu (Dauer, Edward)
Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2017 15:00:21 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Packing Peanuts
Message-ID: <201D9865-B82E-44E9-ADF9-E4C4527B3B91@law.du.edu>

Perhaps.  But since at least as early as 1990 when James Reason published his work on systems approaches to error prevention, numerous industries have adopted the view that trying to make people perfect and blaming them when they are not just doesn?t work.  The fields in which I have spent some time ? aviation and healthcare in particular ? have seen very favorable error reduction when the focus moved to improving the systems within which people work as much as, or more than, improving the people.  Shaming and blaming almost always backfires.  

So, to bring this to the topic here, if there?s a good substitute for electrostatically risky styro packing materials, and if the economics aren?t adverse, that part of the Elecraft shipping system could be improved.  The popular phrase may be ?idiot-proofing,? but we have seen it work with highly intelligent and highly educated pilots and medical personnel, among others.  It is safest to assume that ?stupid fault? just means statistically predictable human behavior.  Blaming makes us feel better, but empirically it tends not to move the error needle very much.

Ted, KN1CBR

    
    
    ------------------------------
    
    Message: 14
    Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2017 10:02:29 +0100
    From: "G4GNX" <g4gnx at g4gnx.com>
    To: "'Elecraft Reflector'" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
    Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Packing Peanuts
    Message-ID: <AEBBFD902FF142229C8D09625DA53F4A at G4GNXLaptop>
    Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="UTF-8";
    	reply-type=original
    
    If people follow the Elecraft instructions to the letter, the static charge 
    will be dissipated through the wrist strap.
    
    If they don't follow the instructions, it's their own stupid fault!
    
    73,
    
    Alan. G4GNX
    
 


From kstover at ac0h.net  Sun Jun 18 11:03:32 2017
From: kstover at ac0h.net (Kevin Stover, AC0H)
Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2017 10:03:32 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Seeking input on KPA1500 station
In-Reply-To: <CA+33ts6CFF88w+ZN_1brbprAg8wzYdemVMxXzR8B+WgZddvPpw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <mailman.855.1497710056.7807.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
	<b5dd70fa-2dab-61f5-504b-d7f64544cfd7@googlemail.com>
	<CA+33ts6CFF88w+ZN_1brbprAg8wzYdemVMxXzR8B+WgZddvPpw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7a2ee73f-b461-250f-363f-ca5e98824f9c@ac0h.net>

All,

I'd be willing to bet nobody in this country or Canada was tested over 
how to setup a LAN or Ethernet communications on their Ham Radio exams, 
and I'd bet there are a few guys on this board who could teach us all a 
thing or two about radio.

RS-232 just isn't that hard and one of the worst LAN fur balls I ever 
had to fix was caused by a couple of jabbering NIC's. I access all of 
our Routers and Switches with a laptop ,USB to RS-232 adapter and 
telnet. It's just not that hard.

The only thing you get when switching from RS-232 to Ethernet is bandwidth.


On 6/18/2017 6:56 AM, Michael Walker wrote:
> 
> A LAN based communications platform opens up the ham shack integration to
> an entire new level.   I keep saying over and over that Ham Radio as a
> hobby is a technical hobby where you are actually examined on your
> technical understanding of how radio works, etc.  Yet, the overall average
> of knowledge of a average ham seems to be going the wrong way where they
> understand less just about how things work.

> 

-- 
R. Kevin Stover    AC0H
FISTS #11993
SKCC #215
NAQCC #3441
ARRL

From W1ie at jetbroadband.com  Sun Jun 18 11:17:45 2017
From: W1ie at jetbroadband.com (Jerry)
Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2017 15:17:45 -0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Packing Peanuts
In-Reply-To: <201D9865-B82E-44E9-ADF9-E4C4527B3B91@law.du.edu>
References: <201D9865-B82E-44E9-ADF9-E4C4527B3B91@law.du.edu>
Message-ID: <005101d2e846$0a36bd40$1ea437c0$@com>

Time to put the "peanuts" to bed. Moderator - Please take note.


Best regards,

Jerry, W1IE


From josh at voodoolab.com  Sun Jun 18 13:00:25 2017
From: josh at voodoolab.com (Josh)
Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2017 10:00:25 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3+P3+Microkeyer II
In-Reply-To: <768376c5-b41b-156f-2dd6-fe2efbfd0592@alice.it>
References: <768376c5-b41b-156f-2dd6-fe2efbfd0592@alice.it>
Message-ID: <48D6DA23-E3F4-4020-A6E2-DC1B15A3E589@voodoolab.com>

Patch the OM Power between P3 and microham box. TCVR goes to P3 and PC goes to microham. Then select Elecraft and baud rate from the menu. You should immediately see it following frequency on the display. 

OM Power echoes serial commands through and monitors the data. I don't have your model, but this is how they all work. 

Any problems you should contact OM Power support. Tibi is very good and will respond quickly. 

73,
Josh W6XU

Sent from my mobile device

> On Jun 18, 2017, at 2:45 AM, Natale Borghetti <nborghetti at alice.it> wrote:
> 
> I have installed K3+P3+Microkeyer II and as result I have all the com ports busy.....now I am setting up the OM-POwer 2000A+ amplifier and in order to have the automatic tuning I have to supply the RTX frequency......how can I do it ???
> 
> Some say to me...using the CI-V Icom interface of the Microkeyer II...but what to set in the amplifier ??
> 
> Some say just install a Y cable at the output of RTX rs232
> 
> Just to give an idea of my wiring:
> 
> K3 rs232 go to P3 DB9 Labelled XCVR
> 
> Microkeyer rs232 go to P3 Labelled PC
> 
> 
> I am missing some thing ???
> 
> Hoping on some help and advice
> 
> 
> 73 and DX
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Natale Borghetti
> 
> I5NPH
> 
> nborghetti at alice.it
> 
> -- 
> Natale Borghetti
> 
> I5NPH
> 
> nborghetti at alice.it
> 
> 
> 
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From etksubs at gmail.com  Sun Jun 18 13:00:35 2017
From: etksubs at gmail.com (E T)
Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2017 13:00:35 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] New KX3 firmware available that restores original AF
 gain level
In-Reply-To: <371182DC-D530-4E39-8675-7FA2D5C3FDCA@gmail.com>
References: <20380A5C-6C19-47AC-9646-7A0368EF4509@elecraft.com>
	<371182DC-D530-4E39-8675-7FA2D5C3FDCA@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3AC51A7D-F857-4AF8-9BEA-61DD89BC0A4F@gmail.com>

BTW, the KX2 with 2.77 behaves exactly the same way when scrolling past the N/A with the KXPA100 enabled.

  Thanks and 73,
  Erik Tkal  -  W1QED

On Jun 18, 2017, at 10:34 AM, E T <etksubs at gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Wayne,

There is one major quirk with the new ATU.DATA menu item on the KX3.  When using the KXPA100 the menu item shows up with the label N/A and value "--".  And then when you scroll up or down to the next menu item it takes up to a second to show the correct label.  Even when you are scrolling fast through the items and go past that one the N/A appears and persists as you scroll.  All the other transitions are immediate except this one.  Shouldn't the label still show as ATU.DATA and have the value show "--" or "N/A"?  E.g. like 2M/4M shows as "not inSt".

I'm going to update my KX2 to the beta that also has this and see if it also shows the same quirk.

  Thanks and 73,
  Erik Tkal  -  W1QED


On Apr 27, 2017, at 11:38 PM, Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com <mailto:n6kr at elecraft.com>> wrote:

Hi all,

Rev. 2.70 KX3 firmware unintentionally reduced the max AF gain setting for both speaker and headphones. (We improved the granularity of the AF GAIN control at the low end but didn?t get around to scaling the high end back up to the original level.)

If you were affected by this and would like to try the field test release (rev. 2.76), please email me directly. 

This rev also includes the new ?ATU DATA? menu entry, which gives you two full sets of per-band ATU data for use when running the KX3 ?barefoot? (without the KXPA100/KXAT100). Typically one set would be used at home, the other in the field. If you do a lot of outings, this can save you the trouble of re-matching all of your antennas when you get home. Another use for this is with two different antennas for a given band.

73,
Wayne
N6KR


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From josh at voodoolab.com  Sun Jun 18 13:23:23 2017
From: josh at voodoolab.com (Josh)
Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2017 10:23:23 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3+P3+Microkeyer II
In-Reply-To: <0c728f7f-3e9d-6a57-55f9-c18b606206f1@subich.com>
References: <768376c5-b41b-156f-2dd6-fe2efbfd0592@alice.it>
	<03cc064d-c487-26e6-ad5b-b16a97f89d5c@embarqmail.com>
	<0c728f7f-3e9d-6a57-55f9-c18b606206f1@subich.com>
Message-ID: <1AB6AE30-3821-4511-BE64-6CDEE94BEB93@voodoolab.com>

I have no idea where you're getting this idea to interface as if it's a PW-1??

OM Power has supported Elecraft for many years. Why not review the OM Power manual's recommendation before making up an answer? 

73
Josh W6XU

Sent from my mobile device

> On Jun 18, 2017, at 6:37 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV <lists at subich.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> Don is off base when he talks about a system using a microHAM
> product.  Configure your station as shown in the application note
> "Using the Icom PW-1"
>  <http://microham-usa.com/store/cmspage.php?page_id=27>
> at http://www.microHAM-USA.com/support.html
> 
> The connection diagram for microKEYER II is here:
>  <http://www.microham-usa.com/appnotes/MK_II_PW-1.pdf>
> 
> You simply configure the amplifier as if it was connected to
> an Icom transceiver - that information is generally in the
> instruction manual 


From kismarian at hotmail.com  Sun Jun 18 14:56:50 2017
From: kismarian at hotmail.com (kismarian at hotmail.com)
Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2017 18:56:50 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S no RF at CW - Solved
In-Reply-To: <DM5PR17MB1579397124CDABAD18178009A6C60@DM5PR17MB1579.namprd17.prod.outlook.com>
References: <DM5PR17MB157962B472710A6D8BCA2F7CA6C10@DM5PR17MB1579.namprd17.prod.outlook.com>,
	<DM5PR17MB1579ACBACA3A90663D093EDAA6C60@DM5PR17MB1579.namprd17.prod.outlook.com>,
	<DM5PR17MB1579397124CDABAD18178009A6C60@DM5PR17MB1579.namprd17.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <DM5PR17MB15792655C656453395052033A6C70@DM5PR17MB1579.namprd17.prod.outlook.com>

I sent few emails and talked to David at Elecraft twice last week. He suggested probing RF at 2nd TX Mixer, which confirmed 0 RF on CW and full RF power on SSB.
I found out that on KREF3 board the high insertion loss >45dB of the wide-band TX crystal filter activated only in CW MODE caused the 0 CW RF Power.  Probably some of the crystal leads inside the can detached during transport. I bypassed it temporarily by turning the relay on as it is in SSB mode with thin wire between pins 2 and 4 of the KREF3 module. The K3S power calibrated then as expected. The filter could be there for extra purity of CW signal, so I will have to exchange the module for a good one.
I would like to extend my gratitude also to W, G and OM hams who helped me solve this problem with their personal emails.
73,
Marian, WS9M
________________________________

From k6dgw at foothill.net  Sun Jun 18 16:19:10 2017
From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen)
Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2017 13:19:10 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Wire size for the ground on the KX2
In-Reply-To: <d9b4b340-6268-a138-0233-3058d6c2a336@embarqmail.com>
References: <CY1PR16MB087371C792AEF5D9B9833C3ED7C60@CY1PR16MB0873.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
	<bba0d558-b6e5-7b17-2e8f-17dab698298e@foothill.net>
	<d9b4b340-6268-a138-0233-3058d6c2a336@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <1f8c4838-3df3-a52a-ac41-a10a3d4f2a4d@foothill.net>

Good to know!  My K2 no longer has the KPA100, but I still have the BNC 
Tee on the antenna.  K3 does as well. You can calculate the required 
resistor size [watts] with a little arithmetic.  I've used anything from 
about 56K to 220K, whatever I find in the junkbox.  When us "old guys" 
fried the two ICOM's, the noise was just very mild "bacon frying" and 
barely noticeable on the baseline of the panadapter, certainly nothing 
to provoke alarm.

Important to note though that this is different protection for the input 
than a gas discharge tube or other lightning arrestor device.  They may 
protect against major voltage surges but are otherwise open circuits.  
And, enough of a surge that fires the device may still get through to 
cook the front end components.

73,

Fred ("Skip") K6DGW
Sparks NV USA
Washoe County DM09dn

On 6/17/2017 5:18 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
> Skip,
>
> Yes, I believe that later Elecraft products do have a static bleed or 
> other static prevention across the antenna connections.
>
> BUT for K2 owners, that is not the case.  The original KPA100 design 
> had a 100uH RF Choke across the antenna terminals for just that 
> purpose, but the latest KPA100 upgrade (to reduce the chance of an 
> oscillation of about 8MHz when on 40 meters) the choke was removed 
> because it coupled with the base K2 causing the oscillation.
>
> For those K2 that I repair that have damaged wattmeter diodes in the 
> KPA100, I have been installing a non-reactive 47k 2 watt resistor 
> across the SO-239 jack, and also across the antenna jacks in the 
> KAT100 (I put them on the bottom of the board, it is easier than 
> soldering directly to the jacks).


From irmalinas73 at gmail.com  Sun Jun 18 17:32:57 2017
From: irmalinas73 at gmail.com (Irma & Linas(LY2H))
Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2017 21:32:57 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 heatsink
In-Reply-To: <mailman.967.1497795177.7807.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
References: <mailman.967.1497795177.7807.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID: <CA+SkHY6TsTL-NyUsOmwe75fPQS2uZzAu9AAuyu-d2n9Tx6sVWQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hello folks,
I am looking for the practical , empyrical, real info based on the
individual measurements of the maximum Key-down time/temperature at the 10w
output of the KX2 before it drops down to 5 W issuing a message of "HI
TEMP". I would also like to learn about comparison of the KX2 stock
heatsink vs the Pro-audio Engineering KX22 product.

The reason is that I have decided to install the KX22 on my KX2 ( # 148*)
after a short dx-pedition to Aland islands in May. I was handling quite a
pile-up from the hotel room and after some 5 min of intensive CQ-ing and
answering on CW the PA temperature gone up to 59-60C degrees and the power
dropped down to 5 W and it was frustrating :)
Today I have installed the PAE KX22 heatsink. The key-down at 10 W into a
dummy load in CW mode lasted for around 3 minutes starting from the ambient
temp. 27C. I don't think this is very impressive baring in mind the
Pro-audio's  claim of the 250% key-down time improvement. Unfortunately, I
was not so smart to test the key-down time with the stock heatsink before I
changed it to the new one, :) But I remember Wayne was posting  here in the
previous thread something abt 7 min of key-down at 10W... So, with the 250%
improvement with the KX22 it should  last... for some 24 min?! in my case,
It doesn't sound very realistic , neither 7 min with the stock heatsink,
nor 24 min with the Pro-Audio ( maybe ,bad thermal contact, not enough of
grease?). That's why it would be very interesting  to compare the real-life
empyrical data of the other KX2 owners.

73! Linas LY2H

From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Sun Jun 18 18:26:41 2017
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2017 18:26:41 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 heatsink
In-Reply-To: <CA+SkHY6TsTL-NyUsOmwe75fPQS2uZzAu9AAuyu-d2n9Tx6sVWQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <mailman.967.1497795177.7807.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
	<CA+SkHY6TsTL-NyUsOmwe75fPQS2uZzAu9AAuyu-d2n9Tx6sVWQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e8b4eccd-7e5a-cc86-76a4-0f37bcbdb5fd@embarqmail.com>

Linas,

I know Howie (owner of Pro Audio Engineering) and consider him to be a 
personal friend.  I also know he is a meticulous engineer, and very 
likely has full data from his testing.
I suggest sending him a direct email request.

The results you posted - only 3 minutes keydown at 10 watts indicate to 
me that you may have a problem with your KX2.  That is even 
substantially less than the time Wayne posted resulting from his tests 
using the stock heatsink.

I would check to be certain the PA transistors are in full contact with 
the heatsink.

Sorry, but I do not have a KX2 to give you additional information. 
Perhaps someone else will volunteer.

73,
Don W3FPR


On 6/18/2017 5:32 PM, Irma & Linas(LY2H) wrote:
> Hello folks,
> I am looking for the practical , empyrical, real info based on the
> individual measurements of the maximum Key-down time/temperature at the 10w
> output of the KX2 before it drops down to 5 W issuing a message of "HI
> TEMP". I would also like to learn about comparison of the KX2 stock
> heatsink vs the Pro-audio Engineering KX22 product.
> 

From john at kn5l.net  Sun Jun 18 19:15:31 2017
From: john at kn5l.net (John Oppenheimer)
Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2017 18:15:31 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] New KX2 beta firmware available with built-in
 CW/Data logging function
In-Reply-To: <619D84F9-DD47-430D-A45E-F04880BF4748@elecraft.com>
References: <619D84F9-DD47-430D-A45E-F04880BF4748@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <b769c26f-1203-c907-1255-8932a1e5507a@kn5l.net>

Hi Wayne,

Testing the new logging feature in 2.77. A couple of suggestions:

When dumping the log using LG; can the dump stop after dumping the last
valid character, rather then a long string of "-------" ?

Can the memory keyer operations be logged. Maybe just a M# or some other
character string which can be identified as a memory keyer with number
operation. Maybe an "R" for repeat.

John KN5L

From ron at cobi.biz  Sun Jun 18 19:28:14 2017
From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire)
Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2017 16:28:14 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 heatsink
In-Reply-To: <CA+SkHY6TsTL-NyUsOmwe75fPQS2uZzAu9AAuyu-d2n9Tx6sVWQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <mailman.967.1497795177.7807.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
	<CA+SkHY6TsTL-NyUsOmwe75fPQS2uZzAu9AAuyu-d2n9Tx6sVWQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000301d2e88a$8f607580$ae216080$@biz>

Fired up my "stock from the factory" KX2 into a dummy load at 10 watts, key
down, and it dropped to 5 watts after 4 minutes running from a 13.8 vdc
supply.  PA temp was about 45C. 

Hope that helps with your analysis.

73, Ron AC7AC

-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net
[mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Irma & Linas(LY2H)
Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2017 2:33 PM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 heatsink

Hello folks,
I am looking for the practical , empyrical, real info based on the
individual measurements of the maximum Key-down time/temperature at the 10w
output of the KX2 before it drops down to 5 W issuing a message of "HI
TEMP". I would also like to learn about comparison of the KX2 stock heatsink
vs the Pro-audio Engineering KX22 product.

The reason is that I have decided to install the KX22 on my KX2 ( # 148*)
after a short dx-pedition to Aland islands in May. I was handling quite a
pile-up from the hotel room and after some 5 min of intensive CQ-ing and
answering on CW the PA temperature gone up to 59-60C degrees and the power
dropped down to 5 W and it was frustrating :) Today I have installed the PAE
KX22 heatsink. The key-down at 10 W into a dummy load in CW mode lasted for
around 3 minutes starting from the ambient temp. 27C. I don't think this is
very impressive baring in mind the Pro-audio's  claim of the 250% key-down
time improvement. Unfortunately, I was not so smart to test the key-down
time with the stock heatsink before I changed it to the new one, :) But I
remember Wayne was posting  here in the previous thread something abt 7 min
of key-down at 10W... So, with the 250% improvement with the KX22 it should
last... for some 24 min?! in my case, It doesn't sound very realistic ,
neither 7 min with the stock heatsink, nor 24 min with the Pro-Audio ( maybe
,bad thermal contact, not enough of grease?). That's why it would be very
interesting  to compare the real-life empyrical data of the other KX2
owners.

73! Linas LY2H
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From rboutell at hotmail.com  Sun Jun 18 19:29:09 2017
From: rboutell at hotmail.com (rboutell)
Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2017 16:29:09 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] Newsletter
Message-ID: <1497828549315-7631856.post@n2.nabble.com>

Hello,
I enjoyed the (first edition?) Elecraft newsletter in email today.
I hope to see more issues in the future.

73, Russ  W9RB



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From ron at cobi.biz  Sun Jun 18 19:38:13 2017
From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire)
Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2017 16:38:13 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 heatsink
In-Reply-To: <000301d2e88a$8f607580$ae216080$@biz>
References: <mailman.967.1497795177.7807.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>	<CA+SkHY6TsTL-NyUsOmwe75fPQS2uZzAu9AAuyu-d2n9Tx6sVWQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<000301d2e88a$8f607580$ae216080$@biz>
Message-ID: <000001d2e88b$f48af010$dda0d030$@biz>

Sri, I meant the temp was 55C, not 45C after the automatic power reduction
kicked in. 

73 Ron AC7AC

-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net
[mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Ron D'Eau Claire
Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2017 4:28 PM
To: 'Irma & Linas(LY2H)'; elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX2 heatsink

Fired up my "stock from the factory" KX2 into a dummy load at 10 watts, key
down, and it dropped to 5 watts after 4 minutes running from a 13.8 vdc
supply.  PA temp was about 45C. 

Hope that helps with your analysis.

73, Ron AC7AC

-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net
[mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Irma & Linas(LY2H)
Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2017 2:33 PM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 heatsink

Hello folks,
I am looking for the practical , empyrical, real info based on the
individual measurements of the maximum Key-down time/temperature at the 10w
output of the KX2 before it drops down to 5 W issuing a message of "HI
TEMP". I would also like to learn about comparison of the KX2 stock heatsink
vs the Pro-audio Engineering KX22 product.

The reason is that I have decided to install the KX22 on my KX2 ( # 148*)
after a short dx-pedition to Aland islands in May. I was handling quite a
pile-up from the hotel room and after some 5 min of intensive CQ-ing and
answering on CW the PA temperature gone up to 59-60C degrees and the power
dropped down to 5 W and it was frustrating :) Today I have installed the PAE
KX22 heatsink. The key-down at 10 W into a dummy load in CW mode lasted for
around 3 minutes starting from the ambient temp. 27C. I don't think this is
very impressive baring in mind the Pro-audio's  claim of the 250% key-down
time improvement. Unfortunately, I was not so smart to test the key-down
time with the stock heatsink before I changed it to the new one, :) But I
remember Wayne was posting  here in the previous thread something abt 7 min
of key-down at 10W... So, with the 250% improvement with the KX22 it should
last... for some 24 min?! in my case, It doesn't sound very realistic ,
neither 7 min with the stock heatsink, nor 24 min with the Pro-Audio ( maybe
,bad thermal contact, not enough of grease?). That's why it would be very
interesting  to compare the real-life empyrical data of the other KX2
owners.

73! Linas LY2H
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From cautery at montac.com  Sun Jun 18 19:43:51 2017
From: cautery at montac.com (Clay Autery)
Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2017 18:43:51 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 heatsink
In-Reply-To: <e8b4eccd-7e5a-cc86-76a4-0f37bcbdb5fd@embarqmail.com>
References: <mailman.967.1497795177.7807.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
	<CA+SkHY6TsTL-NyUsOmwe75fPQS2uZzAu9AAuyu-d2n9Tx6sVWQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<e8b4eccd-7e5a-cc86-76a4-0f37bcbdb5fd@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <ce12acff-9f4b-1cda-ac94-4b981e6796dc@montac.com>

Definitely sounds like a heatsink to source interface issue.  Either not
a flush enough fit, missing, wrong, or not appropriately applied thermal
compound...

73,

______________________
Clay Autery, KY5G

On 6/18/2017 5:26 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
> I would check to be certain the PA transistors are in full contact
> with the heatsink.


From n6kr at elecraft.com  Sun Jun 18 19:50:38 2017
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2017 16:50:38 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 heatsink
In-Reply-To: <000001d2e88b$f48af010$dda0d030$@biz>
References: <mailman.967.1497795177.7807.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
	<CA+SkHY6TsTL-NyUsOmwe75fPQS2uZzAu9AAuyu-d2n9Tx6sVWQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<000301d2e88a$8f607580$ae216080$@biz>
	<000001d2e88b$f48af010$dda0d030$@biz>
Message-ID: <CBC66F91-E0E6-4532-B7C1-87A24F995B3D@elecraft.com>

Auto power reduction happens at 63 C. But it may very well have gone down to 55 C awhile after dropping to 5 W. 

Wayne
N6KR

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> On Jun 18, 2017, at 4:38 PM, Ron D'Eau Claire <ron at cobi.biz> wrote:
> 
> Sri, I meant the temp was 55C, not 45C after the automatic power reduction
> kicked in. 
> 
> 73 Ron AC7AC
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net
> [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Ron D'Eau Claire
> Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2017 4:28 PM
> To: 'Irma & Linas(LY2H)'; elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX2 heatsink
> 
> Fired up my "stock from the factory" KX2 into a dummy load at 10 watts, key
> down, and it dropped to 5 watts after 4 minutes running from a 13.8 vdc
> supply.  PA temp was about 45C. 
> 
> Hope that helps with your analysis.
> 
> 73, Ron AC7AC
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net
> [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Irma & Linas(LY2H)
> Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2017 2:33 PM
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 heatsink
> 
> Hello folks,
> I am looking for the practical , empyrical, real info based on the
> individual measurements of the maximum Key-down time/temperature at the 10w
> output of the KX2 before it drops down to 5 W issuing a message of "HI
> TEMP". I would also like to learn about comparison of the KX2 stock heatsink
> vs the Pro-audio Engineering KX22 product.
> 
> The reason is that I have decided to install the KX22 on my KX2 ( # 148*)
> after a short dx-pedition to Aland islands in May. I was handling quite a
> pile-up from the hotel room and after some 5 min of intensive CQ-ing and
> answering on CW the PA temperature gone up to 59-60C degrees and the power
> dropped down to 5 W and it was frustrating :) Today I have installed the PAE
> KX22 heatsink. The key-down at 10 W into a dummy load in CW mode lasted for
> around 3 minutes starting from the ambient temp. 27C. I don't think this is
> very impressive baring in mind the Pro-audio's  claim of the 250% key-down
> time improvement. Unfortunately, I was not so smart to test the key-down
> time with the stock heatsink before I changed it to the new one, :) But I
> remember Wayne was posting  here in the previous thread something abt 7 min
> of key-down at 10W... So, with the 250% improvement with the KX22 it should
> last... for some 24 min?! in my case, It doesn't sound very realistic ,
> neither 7 min with the stock heatsink, nor 24 min with the Pro-Audio ( maybe
> ,bad thermal contact, not enough of grease?). That's why it would be very
> interesting  to compare the real-life empyrical data of the other KX2
> owners.
> 
> 73! Linas LY2H
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From john at kn5l.net  Sun Jun 18 19:54:15 2017
From: john at kn5l.net (John Oppenheimer)
Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2017 18:54:15 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 heatsink
In-Reply-To: <ce12acff-9f4b-1cda-ac94-4b981e6796dc@montac.com>
References: <mailman.967.1497795177.7807.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
	<CA+SkHY6TsTL-NyUsOmwe75fPQS2uZzAu9AAuyu-d2n9Tx6sVWQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<e8b4eccd-7e5a-cc86-76a4-0f37bcbdb5fd@embarqmail.com>
	<ce12acff-9f4b-1cda-ac94-4b981e6796dc@montac.com>
Message-ID: <24c7697d-0459-5a3a-c022-ab3c4779425f@kn5l.net>

Hi Linas,

My KX2 dropped from 10W to 5W at 3 minutes 48 seconds of key down,
starting at 25C.

John KN5L

From cbjesseeNH at comcast.net  Sun Jun 18 19:58:28 2017
From: cbjesseeNH at comcast.net (MaverickNH)
Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2017 16:58:28 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] Newsletter
In-Reply-To: <1497828549315-7631856.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1497828549315-7631856.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <1497830308970-7631860.post@n2.nabble.com>

Me 2, keep'em coming!

Bret/N4SRN



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From cautery at montac.com  Sun Jun 18 20:10:34 2017
From: cautery at montac.com (Clay Autery)
Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2017 19:10:34 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Newsletter
In-Reply-To: <1497828549315-7631856.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1497828549315-7631856.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <f4678357-57f4-8e0c-3060-7cd0c143c693@montac.com>

What did I miss?  Is it on the website to go look at if we missed or
didn't get it?

______________________
Clay Autery, KY5G

On 6/18/2017 6:29 PM, rboutell wrote:
> Hello,
> I enjoyed the (first edition?) Elecraft newsletter in email today.
> I hope to see more issues in the future.
>
> 73, Russ  W9RB


From lists at subich.com  Sun Jun 18 20:20:58 2017
From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV)
Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2017 20:20:58 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3+P3+Microkeyer II
In-Reply-To: <1AB6AE30-3821-4511-BE64-6CDEE94BEB93@voodoolab.com>
References: <768376c5-b41b-156f-2dd6-fe2efbfd0592@alice.it>
	<03cc064d-c487-26e6-ad5b-b16a97f89d5c@embarqmail.com>
	<0c728f7f-3e9d-6a57-55f9-c18b606206f1@subich.com>
	<1AB6AE30-3821-4511-BE64-6CDEE94BEB93@voodoolab.com>
Message-ID: <a0e5a4ff-88a9-ba58-3984-ebdb68afeedc@subich.com>


microHAM has provided "cross brand" support for mixing transceivers
and amplifiers for a dozen years or more starting with the original
microHAM Band Decoder.  Icom has been the default interface for
serial (CAT) controls while Yaesu (BCD) has been the default interface
for "Band Data" control.

Since the current OM Power transceivers support Icom interfacing, it
is the obvious choice with microHAM interfaces and has been since the
earliest serial controlled OM Power amplifiers (those that did not
provide for CAT pass-through).  Using the Icom controls is far more
reliable than using a "Y" connection on a RS-232 connection; it avoids
issues with loading RS-232 circuits and the isolated CI-V Transceive
emulation provided by the microHAM interface avoids issues with
collisions/corrupted commands on a shared CI-V bus.

73,

    ... Joe, W4TV


On 6/18/2017 1:23 PM, Josh wrote:
> I have no idea where you're getting this idea to interface as if it's a PW-1??
> 
> OM Power has supported Elecraft for many years. Why not review the OM Power manual's recommendation before making up an answer?
> 
> 73
> Josh W6XU
> 
> Sent from my mobile device
> 
>> On Jun 18, 2017, at 6:37 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV <lists at subich.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Don is off base when he talks about a system using a microHAM
>> product.  Configure your station as shown in the application note
>> "Using the Icom PW-1"
>>   <http://microham-usa.com/store/cmspage.php?page_id=27>
>> at http://www.microHAM-USA.com/support.html
>>
>> The connection diagram for microKEYER II is here:
>>   <http://www.microham-usa.com/appnotes/MK_II_PW-1.pdf>
>>
>> You simply configure the amplifier as if it was connected to
>> an Icom transceiver - that information is generally in the
>> instruction manual
> 
> 

From kc1tn3 at gmail.com  Sun Jun 18 20:34:08 2017
From: kc1tn3 at gmail.com (Harry Meyer)
Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2017 20:34:08 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Newsletter
In-Reply-To: <1497830308970-7631860.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1497828549315-7631856.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<1497830308970-7631860.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <412fd60a-9e95-a453-ebf2-caa3bfbb7403@gmail.com>

i didnt see an email newsletter, how do i get one, didnt see anything on 
the elecraft website

harry kc1tn


On 6/18/17 7:58 PM, MaverickNH wrote:
> Me 2, keep'em coming!
>
> Bret/N4SRN
>
>
>
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From cautery at montac.com  Sun Jun 18 20:40:07 2017
From: cautery at montac.com (Clay Autery)
Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2017 19:40:07 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Newsletter
In-Reply-To: <412fd60a-9e95-a453-ebf2-caa3bfbb7403@gmail.com>
References: <1497828549315-7631856.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<1497830308970-7631860.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<412fd60a-9e95-a453-ebf2-caa3bfbb7403@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <12b52cdc-608f-d00b-4328-489b0f04f7f6@montac.com>

http://us13.campaign-archive1.com/?u=ade3f9ea0defe0990b07b5b70&id=9ce12413f4

Plus you can see the "past" issues if you want.... who knew.  :)

______________________
Clay Autery, KY5G

On 6/18/2017 7:34 PM, Harry Meyer wrote:
> i didnt see an email newsletter, how do i get one, didnt see anything
> on the elecraft website
>
> harry kc1tn
>
>
> On 6/18/17 7:58 PM, MaverickNH wrote:
>> Me 2, keep'em coming!
>>
>> Bret/N4SRN


From kevinr at coho.net  Sun Jun 18 20:43:25 2017
From: kevinr at coho.net (kevinr at coho.net)
Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2017 17:43:25 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Newsletter
In-Reply-To: <412fd60a-9e95-a453-ebf2-caa3bfbb7403@gmail.com>
References: <1497828549315-7631856.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<1497830308970-7631860.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<412fd60a-9e95-a453-ebf2-caa3bfbb7403@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <da4f5be0-51d1-15d9-9e58-0c8363d58508@coho.net>

The Newsletter came to my inbox, not to my normal Elecraft folder.  You 
may want to check it did not get automatically tossed into the trash.

    73,

        Kevin.  KD5ONS


On 6/18/2017 5:34 PM, Harry Meyer wrote:
> i didnt see an email newsletter, how do i get one, didnt see anything 
> on the elecraft website
>
> harry kc1tn
>
>
> On 6/18/17 7:58 PM, MaverickNH wrote:
>> Me 2, keep'em coming!
>>
>> Bret/N4SRN
>>
>>
>>
>> -- 
>> View this message in context: 
>> http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Newsletter-tp7631856p7631860.html
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From mpilgrim at bellsouth.net  Sun Jun 18 20:55:26 2017
From: mpilgrim at bellsouth.net (mjpilgrim)
Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2017 17:55:26 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] Using Heil Pro Set Elite boom mic on K3.. what adapter
	is required?
Message-ID: <1497833726136-7631866.post@n2.nabble.com>

I am soon to be the owner of a used K3.  I presently use a Heil Pro Set Elite
boom mic for my IC-7600 and want to know if anyone here has used this mic on
a K3, and if so,  what adapter did you use to connect to the round 8-pin mic
input on the K3?  I'd like to hear your ideas.  Thanks
Mike, K5MP
Boca Raton, Fl



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From dave.w0zf at gmail.com  Sun Jun 18 21:39:53 2017
From: dave.w0zf at gmail.com (Dave Fugleberg)
Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2017 01:39:53 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Using Heil Pro Set Elite boom mic on K3.. what
 adapter is required?
In-Reply-To: <1497833726136-7631866.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1497833726136-7631866.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <CAF==Uf0WokQxd7PMHZB=q_zAr+3yyCMJ-+eXV-pYFAcgFZ3DDw@mail.gmail.com>

The  Heil pro sets have  a 1/8 inch stereo plug for the phones and a1/8
inch mono plug for the mic. Those will plug right into the back of the K3
without an adapter. If you prefer using the front panel mic connector,
you'll need the Heil AD-1-K adapter.
In either case, don't forget to set the menu selection for which mic (front
or rear) you want to use.

On Sun, Jun 18, 2017 at 7:55 PM mjpilgrim <mpilgrim at bellsouth.net> wrote:

> I am soon to be the owner of a used K3.  I presently use a Heil Pro Set
> Elite
> boom mic for my IC-7600 and want to know if anyone here has used this mic
> on
> a K3, and if so,  what adapter did you use to connect to the round 8-pin
> mic
> input on the K3?  I'd like to hear your ideas.  Thanks
> Mike, K5MP
> Boca Raton, Fl
>
>
>
> --
> View this message in context:
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From hhoyt at mebtel.net  Sun Jun 18 21:48:58 2017
From: hhoyt at mebtel.net (Howard Hoyt)
Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2017 21:48:58 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft]  KX2 heatsink
Message-ID: <02b169ae-350b-2703-0c34-7ab7051c359e@mebtel.net>

Hi Linas,

There are many variables which come into play when quantifying the 
performance of a thermal solution.  First off, the PA efficiency is 
different on different bands, accounting for the differing amount of 
heat rejected.  As we state in the testing data, we do tests based on 
fully convective cooling with the rig in a thermal chimney to eliminate 
drafts.  In normal use with even slight breezes and starting at 24?C the 
performance of the Kx22 is better than that listed, as we have 
experienced using the rig portable ourselves. The starting ambient 
temperature is a major factor in the performance of any heatsink.  
Thermal flux is proportional to the temperature difference between the 
source and sink, and if the sink is the same temperature as the source, 
no heat will flow. Conversely with a large difference thermal flux is 
enhanced.

Here is the raw data we developed during testing with an early s/n KX2, 
3 trials averaged, initial key-down time from 24?C to 60?C thermal 
power-reduction, 1st column stock, 2nd w/prototype Kx22 (in seconds):

10M: 105 / 225
15M: 110 / 240
20M: 145 / 360
40M: 120 / 290
80M: 150 / 370

The newer Elecraft revision with the silicone electrical isolators and 
other PA differences will not show quite as good thermal performance as 
the original design where the PA FETs were mounted directly to the 
heatsink or right end panel.  We have not yet tested the new KX2 
revision to quantify the difference.  We have however had very positive 
reports from owners of newer rigs regarding the performance of the Kx22, 
both emailed to us and reported on the Facebook KX2 page if you wish to 
read them...

Please keep in touch with us as you test your Kx22,

Howie - WA4PSC
www.proaudioeng.com

From john at kk9a.com  Sun Jun 18 21:52:37 2017
From: john at kk9a.com (john at kk9a.com)
Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2017 21:52:37 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Using Heil Pro Set Elite boom mic on K3.. what
	adapter	is required?
Message-ID: <001901d2e89e$bb0528c0$310f7a40$@com>

If you want to use the front jack you will need the Kenwood adaptor.  I
assume that it is an IC model so you will need to turn on the bias.

John KK9A


K5MP said: 
Sun Jun 18 20:55:26 EDT 2017

I am soon to be the owner of a used K3.  I presently use a Heil Pro Set
Elite
boom mic for my IC-7600 and want to know if anyone here has used this mic on
a K3, and if so,  what adapter did you use to connect to the round 8-pin mic
input on the K3?  I'd like to hear your ideas.  Thanks
Mike, K5MP
Boca Raton, Fl


From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Sun Jun 18 21:59:04 2017
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2017 18:59:04 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3+P3+Microkeyer II
In-Reply-To: <a0e5a4ff-88a9-ba58-3984-ebdb68afeedc@subich.com>
References: <768376c5-b41b-156f-2dd6-fe2efbfd0592@alice.it>
	<03cc064d-c487-26e6-ad5b-b16a97f89d5c@embarqmail.com>
	<0c728f7f-3e9d-6a57-55f9-c18b606206f1@subich.com>
	<1AB6AE30-3821-4511-BE64-6CDEE94BEB93@voodoolab.com>
	<a0e5a4ff-88a9-ba58-3984-ebdb68afeedc@subich.com>
Message-ID: <241875d7-b5e2-7204-3459-da672d3fbc7d@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On Sun,6/18/2017 5:20 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:
> Using the Icom controls is far more
> reliable than using a "Y" connection on a RS-232 connection; it avoids
> issues with loading RS-232 circuits and the isolated CI-V Transceive
> emulation provided by the microHAM interface avoids issues with
> collisions/corrupted commands on a shared CI-V bus.

I know you know this, but others might not -- RS232 is NOT a matched 
system. It uses a low-Z driver and a high-Z receiver. The real issue 
with loading is CAPACITANCE -- later versions of the RS-232 Standard 
reference cable capacitance and baud rate rather than cable length as 
the limit of transmission distance. CAT5/6/7 cables are among the lowest 
capacitance paired cables we can easily buy, and their loss is fairly 
low at RF. CAT5/6/7 cables are four twisted pairs, each with a different 
twist ratio to minimize crosstalk. RS-232 cables wired to use one of 
these pairs for each of the signalling circuits are about as good as it 
gets without spending big bucks. Most ham gear uses only RXD and TXD 
(pins 2 and 3 on a DB9) with pin 5 as return.

My serial cables use two pairs to connect 2 and 3 with both pairs 
returned pin 5, and with the remaining conductors wired to the DB9 
shells. My cables are pretty short, but I've used cables like this that 
are 200 ft long or longer to connect a computer to sound system DSP to 
do system setups at fairly high baud rates.

73, Jim K9YC


From josh at voodoolab.com  Sun Jun 18 22:02:39 2017
From: josh at voodoolab.com (Josh)
Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2017 19:02:39 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3+P3+Microkeyer II
In-Reply-To: <a0e5a4ff-88a9-ba58-3984-ebdb68afeedc@subich.com>
References: <768376c5-b41b-156f-2dd6-fe2efbfd0592@alice.it>
	<03cc064d-c487-26e6-ad5b-b16a97f89d5c@embarqmail.com>
	<0c728f7f-3e9d-6a57-55f9-c18b606206f1@subich.com>
	<1AB6AE30-3821-4511-BE64-6CDEE94BEB93@voodoolab.com>
	<a0e5a4ff-88a9-ba58-3984-ebdb68afeedc@subich.com>
Message-ID: <EF48A580-2E52-4DF9-AB96-B135FAC3489C@voodoolab.com>

Again, that makes no sense. OM Power  supports ELECRAFT directly and provide a pair of serial ports for doing so. No Y cable is necessary (and a bad idea). 

This is how OM Power describes using their product. It works fine. You're coming up with a workaround for a nonexistent problem. 

73,
Josh W6XU

Sent from my mobile device

> On Jun 18, 2017, at 5:20 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV <lists at subich.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> microHAM has provided "cross brand" support for mixing transceivers
> and amplifiers for a dozen years or more starting with the original
> microHAM Band Decoder.  Icom has been the default interface for
> serial (CAT) controls while Yaesu (BCD) has been the default interface
> for "Band Data" control.
> 
> Since the current OM Power transceivers support Icom interfacing, it
> is the obvious choice with microHAM interfaces and has been since the
> earliest serial controlled OM Power amplifiers (those that did not
> provide for CAT pass-through).  Using the Icom controls is far more
> reliable than using a "Y" connection on a RS-232 connection; it avoids
> issues with loading RS-232 circuits and the isolated CI-V Transceive
> emulation provided by the microHAM interface avoids issues with
> collisions/corrupted commands on a shared CI-V bus.
> 
> 73,
> 
>   ... Joe, W4TV
> 
> 
>> On 6/18/2017 1:23 PM, Josh wrote:
>> I have no idea where you're getting this idea to interface as if it's a PW-1??
>> OM Power has supported Elecraft for many years. Why not review the OM Power manual's recommendation before making up an answer?
>> 73
>> Josh W6XU
>> Sent from my mobile device
>>> On Jun 18, 2017, at 6:37 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV <lists at subich.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Don is off base when he talks about a system using a microHAM
>>> product.  Configure your station as shown in the application note
>>> "Using the Icom PW-1"
>>>  <http://microham-usa.com/store/cmspage.php?page_id=27>
>>> at http://www.microHAM-USA.com/support.html
>>> 
>>> The connection diagram for microKEYER II is here:
>>>  <http://www.microham-usa.com/appnotes/MK_II_PW-1.pdf>
>>> 
>>> You simply configure the amplifier as if it was connected to
>>> an Icom transceiver - that information is generally in the
>>> instruction manual


From jimk0xu at gmail.com  Sun Jun 18 22:06:32 2017
From: jimk0xu at gmail.com (Jim Rhodes)
Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2017 21:06:32 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Using Heil Pro Set Elite boom mic on K3.. what
 adapter is required?
In-Reply-To: <CAF==Uf0WokQxd7PMHZB=q_zAr+3yyCMJ-+eXV-pYFAcgFZ3DDw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1497833726136-7631866.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<CAF==Uf0WokQxd7PMHZB=q_zAr+3yyCMJ-+eXV-pYFAcgFZ3DDw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CALhxr4YzTwyBYeLfeZm5LEJi3A4mJ24b1AkUbJfVT1=oW7VFhQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hmm, mine has a 1/4 inch stereo plug for phones.


On Sun, Jun 18, 2017 at 8:39 PM, Dave Fugleberg <dave.w0zf at gmail.com> wrote:

> The  Heil pro sets have  a 1/8 inch stereo plug for the phones and a1/8
> inch mono plug for the mic. Those will plug right into the back of the K3
> without an adapter. If you prefer using the front panel mic connector,
> you'll need the Heil AD-1-K adapter.
> In either case, don't forget to set the menu selection for which mic (front
> or rear) you want to use.
>
> On Sun, Jun 18, 2017 at 7:55 PM mjpilgrim <mpilgrim at bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
> > I am soon to be the owner of a used K3.  I presently use a Heil Pro Set
> > Elite
> > boom mic for my IC-7600 and want to know if anyone here has used this mic
> > on
> > a K3, and if so,  what adapter did you use to connect to the round 8-pin
> > mic
> > input on the K3?  I'd like to hear your ideas.  Thanks
> > Mike, K5MP
> > Boca Raton, Fl
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > View this message in context:
> > http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Using-Heil-Pro-Set-
> Elite-boom-mic-on-K3-what-adapter-is-required-tp7631866.html
> > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
> > ______________________________________________________________
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From n4zr at comcast.net  Sun Jun 18 22:13:53 2017
From: n4zr at comcast.net (N4ZR)
Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2017 22:13:53 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] More precise signal strength
Message-ID: <569740dc-4b56-2dc9-98f0-03e09dc97036@comcast.net>

Sorry for the misformatted message just now.  Herewith a cleaner version

My K3 is getting old, but just had both synthesizers replaced - wow - 
and I'd like measurement of noise levels that is more precise than the 
S-meter.  Is there a menu pick or other way of accessing numeric signal 
and noise levels analogous to the way that the radio displays SWR when 
in Tune mode?

-- 

73, Pete N4ZR
Download the new N1MM Logger+ at
<http://N1MM.hamdocs.com>. Check
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For spots, please use your favorite
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From k6dgw at foothill.net  Sun Jun 18 22:24:09 2017
From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen)
Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2017 19:24:09 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Newsletter
In-Reply-To: <412fd60a-9e95-a453-ebf2-caa3bfbb7403@gmail.com>
References: <1497828549315-7631856.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<1497830308970-7631860.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<412fd60a-9e95-a453-ebf2-caa3bfbb7403@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9a2e8667-3a50-b9cd-447a-5029b72f4d9e@foothill.net>

Look in your junk folder, that's where mine ended up.

73,

Fred ("Skip") K6DGW
Sparks NV USA
Washoe County DM09dn

On 6/18/2017 5:34 PM, Harry Meyer wrote:
> i didnt see an email newsletter, how do i get one, didnt see anything 
> on the elecraft website
>
> harry kc1tn


From dave.w0zf at gmail.com  Sun Jun 18 22:38:52 2017
From: dave.w0zf at gmail.com (Dave Fugleberg)
Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2017 02:38:52 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Using Heil Pro Set Elite boom mic on K3.. what
 adapter is required?
In-Reply-To: <CALhxr4YzTwyBYeLfeZm5LEJi3A4mJ24b1AkUbJfVT1=oW7VFhQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1497833726136-7631866.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<CAF==Uf0WokQxd7PMHZB=q_zAr+3yyCMJ-+eXV-pYFAcgFZ3DDw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CALhxr4YzTwyBYeLfeZm5LEJi3A4mJ24b1AkUbJfVT1=oW7VFhQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAF==Uf1=+4X+ipCCzwmXOAgTrznW4DP0qkmYm12BC-Nnsoa7TQ@mail.gmail.com>

Jim, I and several of my friends have various models of the Pro Set, and
every one I've seen had the 1/8 inch plugs for both mic and phones, but
perhaps some models are different. Mine has an adapter for the phones to
convert to 1/4 inch when needed- it's low profile and adds very little
length to the plug. I seldom use the adapter, as I prefer to use the rear
jacks on the K3 and keep the front panel clear of wires.
73 de W0ZF
On Sun, Jun 18, 2017 at 9:06 PM Jim Rhodes <jimk0xu at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hmm, mine has a 1/4 inch stereo plug for phones.
>
>
> On Sun, Jun 18, 2017 at 8:39 PM, Dave Fugleberg <dave.w0zf at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> The  Heil pro sets have  a 1/8 inch stereo plug for the phones and a1/8
>> inch mono plug for the mic. Those will plug right into the back of the K3
>> without an adapter. If you prefer using the front panel mic connector,
>> you'll need the Heil AD-1-K adapter.
>> In either case, don't forget to set the menu selection for which mic
>> (front
>> or rear) you want to use.
>>
>> On Sun, Jun 18, 2017 at 7:55 PM mjpilgrim <mpilgrim at bellsouth.net> wrote:
>>
>> > I am soon to be the owner of a used K3.  I presently use a Heil Pro Set
>> > Elite
>> > boom mic for my IC-7600 and want to know if anyone here has used this
>> mic
>> > on
>> > a K3, and if so,  what adapter did you use to connect to the round 8-pin
>> > mic
>> > input on the K3?  I'd like to hear your ideas.  Thanks
>> > Mike, K5MP
>> > Boca Raton, Fl
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > View this message in context:
>> >
>> http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Using-Heil-Pro-Set-Elite-boom-mic-on-K3-what-adapter-is-required-tp7631866.html
>> > Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>> > ______________________________________________________________
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> >
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>
>
> --
> Jim K0XU
> jim at rhodesend.net
>

From ron at cobi.biz  Sun Jun 18 22:40:07 2017
From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire)
Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2017 19:40:07 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 heatsink
In-Reply-To: <CBC66F91-E0E6-4532-B7C1-87A24F995B3D@elecraft.com>
References: <mailman.967.1497795177.7807.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
	<CA+SkHY6TsTL-NyUsOmwe75fPQS2uZzAu9AAuyu-d2n9Tx6sVWQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<000301d2e88a$8f607580$ae216080$@biz>
	<000001d2e88b$f48af010$dda0d030$@biz>
	<CBC66F91-E0E6-4532-B7C1-87A24F995B3D@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <000101d2e8a5$5daf1990$190d4cb0$@biz>

Yes. I was busy cooking dinner and was glancing at the power displayed on an
external meter from time to time. 

I've not seen the power shut down on me, but then I'm seldom running QRO
(>10 watts) with any rig. 

73, Ron AC7AC

-----Original Message-----
From: Wayne Burdick [mailto:n6kr at elecraft.com] 
Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2017 4:51 PM
To: Ron D'Eau Claire
Cc: Irma & Linas(LY2H); elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX2 heatsink

Auto power reduction happens at 63 C. But it may very well have gone down to
55 C awhile after dropping to 5 W. 

Wayne
N6KR

----
http://www.elecraft.com

> On Jun 18, 2017, at 4:38 PM, Ron D'Eau Claire <ron at cobi.biz> wrote:
> 
> Sri, I meant the temp was 55C, not 45C after the automatic power 
> reduction kicked in.
> 
> 73 Ron AC7AC
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net 
> [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Ron D'Eau 
> Claire
> Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2017 4:28 PM
> To: 'Irma & Linas(LY2H)'; elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX2 heatsink
> 
> Fired up my "stock from the factory" KX2 into a dummy load at 10 
> watts, key down, and it dropped to 5 watts after 4 minutes running 
> from a 13.8 vdc supply.  PA temp was about 45C.
> 
> Hope that helps with your analysis.
> 
> 73, Ron AC7AC
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net 
> [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Irma & 
> Linas(LY2H)
> Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2017 2:33 PM
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 heatsink
> 
> Hello folks,
> I am looking for the practical , empyrical, real info based on the 
> individual measurements of the maximum Key-down time/temperature at 
> the 10w output of the KX2 before it drops down to 5 W issuing a 
> message of "HI TEMP". I would also like to learn about comparison of 
> the KX2 stock heatsink vs the Pro-audio Engineering KX22 product.
> 
> The reason is that I have decided to install the KX22 on my KX2 ( # 
> 148*) after a short dx-pedition to Aland islands in May. I was 
> handling quite a pile-up from the hotel room and after some 5 min of 
> intensive CQ-ing and answering on CW the PA temperature gone up to 
> 59-60C degrees and the power dropped down to 5 W and it was 
> frustrating :) Today I have installed the PAE
> KX22 heatsink. The key-down at 10 W into a dummy load in CW mode 
> lasted for around 3 minutes starting from the ambient temp. 27C. I 
> don't think this is very impressive baring in mind the Pro-audio's  
> claim of the 250% key-down time improvement. Unfortunately, I was not 
> so smart to test the key-down time with the stock heatsink before I 
> changed it to the new one, :) But I remember Wayne was posting  here 
> in the previous thread something abt 7 min of key-down at 10W... So, 
> with the 250% improvement with the KX22 it should last... for some 24 
> min?! in my case, It doesn't sound very realistic , neither 7 min with 
> the stock heatsink, nor 24 min with the Pro-Audio ( maybe ,bad thermal 
> contact, not enough of grease?). That's why it would be very 
> interesting  to compare the real-life empyrical data of the other KX2
owners.
> 
> 73! Linas LY2H
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From KX3.1 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com  Sun Jun 18 23:04:19 2017
From: KX3.1 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com (Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT)
Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2017 20:04:19 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Newsletter
In-Reply-To: <12b52cdc-608f-d00b-4328-489b0f04f7f6@montac.com>
References: <1497828549315-7631856.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<1497830308970-7631860.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<412fd60a-9e95-a453-ebf2-caa3bfbb7403@gmail.com>
	<12b52cdc-608f-d00b-4328-489b0f04f7f6@montac.com>
Message-ID: <05bad049-a731-3b4c-22d5-3e8215951bee@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com>

Now I understand.  My service provider blocks MailChimp because of their 
list management policies.

73 -- Lynn

On 6/18/2017 5:40 PM, Clay Autery wrote:
> http://us13.campaign-archive1.com/?u=ade3f9ea0defe0990b07b5b70&id=9ce12413f4
> 
> Plus you can see the "past" issues if you want.... who knew.:)

From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Sun Jun 18 23:16:53 2017
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2017 20:16:53 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Temperature Compensation
Message-ID: <6a051a95-c233-05fa-24ff-45538c9518cf@audiosystemsgroup.com>

A year or so ago, I performed the temperature compensation routine on my 
KX3, with the goal of being able to use it with WSJT modes like JT65, 
JT9, MSK144. I loaned it to W6JTI for his expedition to CM79, and acted 
as his pilot, monitoring him on the air from his home a few miles away. 
The radio drifts quite badly -- 600 Hz or more on 6M. Am I missing a 
menu setting to turn TC on?  Any other possible causes (other than that 
I screwed up the rountine)?

I told Frank to keep the rig so that he can get familiar with it, but 
we'll be together on FD, so I'd like to fix it if possible.

Thanks and 73, Jim K9YC


From mike.chowning at mgccc.org  Sun Jun 18 23:46:06 2017
From: mike.chowning at mgccc.org (Michael Chowning)
Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2017 23:46:06 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Using Heil Pro Set Elite boom mic on K3.. what
 adapter is required?
In-Reply-To: <CAF==Uf1=+4X+ipCCzwmXOAgTrznW4DP0qkmYm12BC-Nnsoa7TQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1497833726136-7631866.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<CAF==Uf0WokQxd7PMHZB=q_zAr+3yyCMJ-+eXV-pYFAcgFZ3DDw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CALhxr4YzTwyBYeLfeZm5LEJi3A4mJ24b1AkUbJfVT1=oW7VFhQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAF==Uf1=+4X+ipCCzwmXOAgTrznW4DP0qkmYm12BC-Nnsoa7TQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <78442C12-F9C0-49D7-B612-19D096F4AC2F@mgccc.org>

I have a Heil Pro Set Elite 6 with a 1/4 phone plug and 1/8 mic plug but when I looked closer at the 1/4 plug I realized that it is an adapter!  The phone plug really is 1/8 plug that plugged into the adapter.  It is not noticeable until I tugged on it slightly and it come apart.  Then I looked at the box, and it shows a picture of the two leads - 1/8 plugs with a separate 1/4 adapter.
    Mike, N8TTR

> On Jun 18, 2017, at 10:38 PM, Dave Fugleberg <dave.w0zf at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Jim, I and several of my friends have various models of the Pro Set, and
> every one I've seen had the 1/8 inch plugs for both mic and phones, but
> perhaps some models are different. Mine has an adapter for the phones to
> convert to 1/4 inch when needed- it's low profile and adds very little
> length to the plug. I seldom use the adapter, as I prefer to use the rear
> jacks on the K3 and keep the front panel clear of wires.
> 73 de W0ZF
> On Sun, Jun 18, 2017 at 9:06 PM Jim Rhodes <jimk0xu at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Hmm, mine has a 1/4 inch stereo plug for phones.
>> 
>> 
>> On Sun, Jun 18, 2017 at 8:39 PM, Dave Fugleberg <dave.w0zf at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> The  Heil pro sets have  a 1/8 inch stereo plug for the phones and a1/8
>>> inch mono plug for the mic. Those will plug right into the back of the K3
>>> without an adapter. If you prefer using the front panel mic connector,
>>> you'll need the Heil AD-1-K adapter.
>>> In either case, don't forget to set the menu selection for which mic
>>> (front
>>> or rear) you want to use.
>>> 
>>> On Sun, Jun 18, 2017 at 7:55 PM mjpilgrim <mpilgrim at bellsouth.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I am soon to be the owner of a used K3.  I presently use a Heil Pro Set
>>>> Elite
>>>> boom mic for my IC-7600 and want to know if anyone here has used this
>>> mic
>>>> on
>>>> a K3, and if so,  what adapter did you use to connect to the round 8-pin
>>>> mic
>>>> input on the K3?  I'd like to hear your ideas.  Thanks
>>>> Mike, K5MP
>>>> Boca Raton, Fl
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> --
>>>> View this message in context:
>>>> 
>>> http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Using-Heil-Pro-Set-Elite-boom-mic-on-K3-what-adapter-is-required-tp7631866.html
>>>> Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>>>> ______________________________________________________________
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>>> 
>>> 
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>>> 
>> Message delivered to jimk0xu at gmail.com
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> Jim K0XU
>> jim at rhodesend.net
>> 
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From cautery at montac.com  Mon Jun 19 00:39:04 2017
From: cautery at montac.com (Clay Autery)
Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2017 23:39:04 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Newsletter
In-Reply-To: <05bad049-a731-3b4c-22d5-3e8215951bee@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com>
References: <1497828549315-7631856.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<1497830308970-7631860.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<412fd60a-9e95-a453-ebf2-caa3bfbb7403@gmail.com>
	<12b52cdc-608f-d00b-4328-489b0f04f7f6@montac.com>
	<05bad049-a731-3b4c-22d5-3e8215951bee@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com>
Message-ID: <0b3a786d-66be-1f54-b226-fb139bbb670a@montac.com>

I'm my own ISP...  Had to go dig it out of the junk pile as I routinely
trash anything from that domain...  Apparently, "the chimp" has changed
IP address ranges, too.  Because I have on several occasions taken the
time to BAN their entire IP range on my server, too.

I don't play SPAM...

<not to intimate that Elecraft would EVER SPAM.  They do NOT... they are
VERY proactive about making sure they have permission to send>

Works well..  I like it, though I would, because of my experiences, not
have chosen "the chimp".

73,

______________________
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MONTAC Enterprises
(318) 518-1389

On 6/18/2017 10:04 PM, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT wrote:
> Now I understand.  My service provider blocks MailChimp because of
> their list management policies.
>
> 73 -- Lynn
>
> On 6/18/2017 5:40 PM, Clay Autery wrote:
>> http://us13.campaign-archive1.com/?u=ade3f9ea0defe0990b07b5b70&id=9ce12413f4
>>
>>
>> Plus you can see the "past" issues if you want.... who knew.:)
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From n6tv at arrl.net  Mon Jun 19 00:46:20 2017
From: n6tv at arrl.net (Bob Wilson, N6TV)
Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2017 21:46:20 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] More precise signal strength
In-Reply-To: <569740dc-4b56-2dc9-98f0-03e09dc97036@comcast.net>
References: <569740dc-4b56-2dc9-98f0-03e09dc97036@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <CAOmNKGJkfRwXRyJRc24XQzFz8tWjRRkT+A+xaHVWUsLOrgrQpg@mail.gmail.com>

See "VFO B Alternate Displays", page 36 of the current K3 Owner's Manual.
To summarize,

Set CONFIG:TECH MD ON
Tap DISP to see something other than VFO B freq
Rotate VFO B to see AFV, which displays the AF output as a voltage reading,
independent of AF gain.
When it stabilizes, rotate VFO B to see dBv
Adjust CONFIG:AFV TIM if you need more than one second to average the noise.

But if you're trying to measure noise or signal level in absolute dBm, use
the P3 in Peak mode.

73,
Bob, N6TV

On Jun 18, 2017 7:16 PM, "N4ZR" <n4zr at comcast.net> wrote:

> Sorry for the misformatted message just now.  Herewith a cleaner version
>
> My K3 is getting old, but just had both synthesizers replaced - wow - and
> I'd like measurement of noise levels that is more precise than the
> S-meter.  Is there a menu pick or other way of accessing numeric signal and
> noise levels analogous to the way that the radio displays SWR when in Tune
> mode?
>
> --
>
> 73, Pete N4ZR
> Download the new N1MM Logger+ at
> <http://N1MM.hamdocs.com>. Check
> out the Reverse Beacon Network at
> <http://reversebeacon.net>, now
> spotting RTTY activity worldwide.
> For spots, please use your favorite
> "retail" DX cluster.
>
> ______________________________________________________________
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> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
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From n6tv at arrl.net  Mon Jun 19 02:24:52 2017
From: n6tv at arrl.net (Bob Wilson, N6TV)
Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2017 23:24:52 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Using Heil Pro Set Elite boom mic on K3.. what
 adapter is required?
In-Reply-To: <CAF==Uf0WokQxd7PMHZB=q_zAr+3yyCMJ-+eXV-pYFAcgFZ3DDw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1497833726136-7631866.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<CAF==Uf0WokQxd7PMHZB=q_zAr+3yyCMJ-+eXV-pYFAcgFZ3DDw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAOmNKG+SDY2eP8yTRrBRrZqDjsWw6cRV1V8vrihYjRrPWKj4jQ@mail.gmail.com>

Yes.  Remove all Heil adapters.  Connect Pro Set directly to rear panel
1/8" MIC and PHONES jacks.
Tap MENU.
Rotate VFO B knob until you see MAIN:MIC SEL.
Use MAIN:MIC SEL to select rP (rear panel) mic. by rotating VFO A knob.
Tap 1 to select Lo or Hi mic gain, whichever works best.
Tap 2 to toggle mic bias ON
Tap MENU to exit, or hold it to toggle to the CONFIG menu.

Use CONFIG:SPKR+PH to enable the PC speaker and headphones so you won't
have to reach around to the back of the K3 to unplug anything when you want
to listen with the internal or external speaker.  Assign this function to
PF1 or PF2 for convenience (just hold the PF key when this menu is selected
to make the assignment).

73,
Bob, N6TV

On Jun 18, 2017 6:42 PM, "Dave Fugleberg" <dave.w0zf at gmail.com> wrote:

The  Heil pro sets have  a 1/8 inch stereo plug for the phones and a1/8
inch mono plug for the mic. Those will plug right into the back of the K3
without an adapter. If you prefer using the front panel mic connector,
you'll need the Heil AD-1-K adapter.
In either case, don't forget to set the menu selection for which mic (front
or rear) you want to use.

On Sun, Jun 18, 2017 at 7:55 PM mjpilgrim <mpilgrim at bellsouth.net> wrote:

> I am soon to be the owner of a used K3.  I presently use a Heil Pro Set
> Elite
> boom mic for my IC-7600 and want to know if anyone here has used this mic
> on
> a K3, and if so,  what adapter did you use to connect to the round 8-pin
> mic
> input on the K3?  I'd like to hear your ideas.  Thanks
> Mike, K5MP
> Boca Raton, Fl
>
>
>
> --
> View this message in context:
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From nw0m at embarqmail.com  Mon Jun 19 08:46:19 2017
From: nw0m at embarqmail.com (NW0M)
Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2017 05:46:19 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] K-Pod software 1.09
In-Reply-To: <13929609-03eb-4286-1f39-78c87c3da9d8@embarqmail.com>
References: <15cb6a50fe0-11da-19668@webprd-a75.mail.aol.com>
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Hi Don,

Wasn't the K-Pod tuning rate to match the K3 rate added to the future
firmware list shortly after the K-Pod came out?  I don't understand the
design rationale to tune at the 1/2 rate.  I would like to see it match the
rate or have a configuration setting.  

73,
Mitch NW?M    



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From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Mon Jun 19 09:00:59 2017
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2017 08:00:59 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Using Heil Pro Set Elite boom mic on K3.. what
 adapter is required?
In-Reply-To: <CAOmNKG+SDY2eP8yTRrBRrZqDjsWw6cRV1V8vrihYjRrPWKj4jQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1497833726136-7631866.post@n2.nabble.com>
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I use this configuration, headset with mike {Koss SB 40} and a separate 
desk boom and mike {PR781} along with a pair of external speakers.  It 
is easy to switch between the two mikes with just a change from rP  {SB 
40}  to fP {PR 781} via the menu.   In both cases, I find mike gain 
selection of HIGH to be the preferred choice.   The SB 40 has a dynamic 
mike element so no BIAS is needed for either mike configuration.

73

Bob, K4TAX


On 6/19/2017 1:24 AM, Bob Wilson, N6TV wrote:
> Yes.  Remove all Heil adapters.  Connect Pro Set directly to rear panel
> 1/8" MIC and PHONES jacks.
> Tap MENU.
> Rotate VFO B knob until you see MAIN:MIC SEL.
> Use MAIN:MIC SEL to select rP (rear panel) mic. by rotating VFO A knob.
> Tap 1 to select Lo or Hi mic gain, whichever works best.
> Tap 2 to toggle mic bias ON
> Tap MENU to exit, or hold it to toggle to the CONFIG menu.
>
> Use CONFIG:SPKR+PH to enable the PC speaker and headphones so you won't
> have to reach around to the back of the K3 to unplug anything when you want
> to listen with the internal or external speaker.  Assign this function to
> PF1 or PF2 for convenience (just hold the PF key when this menu is selected
> to make the assignment).
>
> 73,
> Bob, N6TV
>
> On Jun 18, 2017 6:42 PM, "Dave Fugleberg" <dave.w0zf at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> The  Heil pro sets have  a 1/8 inch stereo plug for the phones and a1/8
> inch mono plug for the mic. Those will plug right into the back of the K3
> without an adapter. If you prefer using the front panel mic connector,
> you'll need the Heil AD-1-K adapter.
> In either case, don't forget to set the menu selection for which mic (front
> or rear) you want to use.
>
> On Sun, Jun 18, 2017 at 7:55 PM mjpilgrim <mpilgrim at bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
>> I am soon to be the owner of a used K3.  I presently use a Heil Pro Set
>> Elite
>> boom mic for my IC-7600 and want to know if anyone here has used this mic
>> on
>> a K3, and if so,  what adapter did you use to connect to the round 8-pin
>> mic
>> input on the K3?  I'd like to hear your ideas.  Thanks
>> Mike, K5MP
>> Boca Raton, Fl
>>
>>
>>
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From va3mw at portcredit.net  Mon Jun 19 09:07:56 2017
From: va3mw at portcredit.net (Mike va3mw)
Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2017 09:07:56 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3+P3+Microkeyer II
In-Reply-To: <EF48A580-2E52-4DF9-AB96-B135FAC3489C@voodoolab.com>
References: <768376c5-b41b-156f-2dd6-fe2efbfd0592@alice.it>
	<03cc064d-c487-26e6-ad5b-b16a97f89d5c@embarqmail.com>
	<0c728f7f-3e9d-6a57-55f9-c18b606206f1@subich.com>
	<1AB6AE30-3821-4511-BE64-6CDEE94BEB93@voodoolab.com>
	<a0e5a4ff-88a9-ba58-3984-ebdb68afeedc@subich.com>
	<EF48A580-2E52-4DF9-AB96-B135FAC3489C@voodoolab.com>
Message-ID: <69711431-6C8C-4234-9E21-E4F003E4651A@portcredit.net>

Another reason to start moving to a LAN based solution as it is so much simpler to share frequency data.  

If vendors supported it at the box level cabling nightmares start to go away.  I'm now running raw socket connections where I can to rs232/ip converters. 

Mike va3mw

> On Jun 18, 2017, at 10:02 PM, Josh <josh at voodoolab.com> wrote:
> 
> Again, that makes no sense. OM Power  supports ELECRAFT directly and provide a pair of serial ports for doing so. No Y cable is necessary (and a bad idea). 
> 
> This is how OM Power describes using their product. It works fine. You're coming up with a workaround for a nonexistent problem. 
> 
> 73,
> Josh W6XU
> 
> Sent from my mobile device
> 
>> On Jun 18, 2017, at 5:20 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV <lists at subich.com> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> microHAM has provided "cross brand" support for mixing transceivers
>> and amplifiers for a dozen years or more starting with the original
>> microHAM Band Decoder.  Icom has been the default interface for
>> serial (CAT) controls while Yaesu (BCD) has been the default interface
>> for "Band Data" control.
>> 
>> Since the current OM Power transceivers support Icom interfacing, it
>> is the obvious choice with microHAM interfaces and has been since the
>> earliest serial controlled OM Power amplifiers (those that did not
>> provide for CAT pass-through).  Using the Icom controls is far more
>> reliable than using a "Y" connection on a RS-232 connection; it avoids
>> issues with loading RS-232 circuits and the isolated CI-V Transceive
>> emulation provided by the microHAM interface avoids issues with
>> collisions/corrupted commands on a shared CI-V bus.
>> 
>> 73,
>> 
>>  ... Joe, W4TV
>> 
>> 
>>> On 6/18/2017 1:23 PM, Josh wrote:
>>> I have no idea where you're getting this idea to interface as if it's a PW-1??
>>> OM Power has supported Elecraft for many years. Why not review the OM Power manual's recommendation before making up an answer?
>>> 73
>>> Josh W6XU
>>> Sent from my mobile device
>>>> On Jun 18, 2017, at 6:37 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV <lists at subich.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Don is off base when he talks about a system using a microHAM
>>>> product.  Configure your station as shown in the application note
>>>> "Using the Icom PW-1"
>>>> <http://microham-usa.com/store/cmspage.php?page_id=27>
>>>> at http://www.microHAM-USA.com/support.html
>>>> 
>>>> The connection diagram for microKEYER II is here:
>>>> <http://www.microham-usa.com/appnotes/MK_II_PW-1.pdf>
>>>> 
>>>> You simply configure the amplifier as if it was connected to
>>>> an Icom transceiver - that information is generally in the
>>>> instruction manual
> 
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From brian.waterworth at gmail.com  Mon Jun 19 09:36:24 2017
From: brian.waterworth at gmail.com (Brian Waterworth)
Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2017 09:36:24 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 Temperature Compensation
In-Reply-To: <6a051a95-c233-05fa-24ff-45538c9518cf@audiosystemsgroup.com>
References: <6a051a95-c233-05fa-24ff-45538c9518cf@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Message-ID: <CAM34cKcmyGg-aw8H0=it0TBf=a2AMfG0gNh2S_3a2eUNDW+WSQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Jim,

How I check to ensure that temp compensation is enabled and is using the
values I had previously gathered, during the extended temp compensation, is
to look at the VFO B display section of the KX3 screen, (special display
section - Synthesizer (OSC) temperature) for an asterisk between the
letters OSC and the temp; e.g., OSC*31C.

If you do not see this asterisk, then the temp compensation you gathered is
not being applied.  I found standard compensation values not to be
sufficient for JT modes.

There is a step in the extended temp compensation manual at Elecraft's site
(http://www.elecraft.com/manual/KX3%20Custom%20VFO%20TC%20rev%20A8.pdf)
that allows one to toggle between standard and custom.  It says, when in
the Ref Cal menu option (having unlocked it)...
Tap CMP to switch temperature compensation from STANDRD to CUSTOM.

Custom will be indicated as an asterisk between Ref Call (e.g., REF * CAL).

I would suggest re-familiarizing yourself with the temp compensation guide
and read through the directions, but don't do the directions other than to
verify certain button presses that give information.  You likely will be
semi-unhappy if you accidentally clear the values you previously collected
:-).

Alternatively, if you have a backup of the KX3 configuration using the KX3
Utility, I believe the temp compensation values are stored in that file.
Confirming with Elecraft if that is indeed the case would be prudent as I
am not completely sure.

regards,
Brian
VE3IBW


On Sun, Jun 18, 2017 at 11:16 PM, Jim Brown <jim at audiosystemsgroup.com>
wrote:

> A year or so ago, I performed the temperature compensation routine on my
> KX3, with the goal of being able to use it with WSJT modes like JT65, JT9,
> MSK144. I loaned it to W6JTI for his expedition to CM79, and acted as his
> pilot, monitoring him on the air from his home a few miles away. The radio
> drifts quite badly -- 600 Hz or more on 6M. Am I missing a menu setting to
> turn TC on?  Any other possible causes (other than that I screwed up the
> rountine)?
>
> I told Frank to keep the rig so that he can get familiar with it, but
> we'll be together on FD, so I'd like to fix it if possible.
>
> Thanks and 73, Jim K9YC
>
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From kevin at k4vd.net  Mon Jun 19 09:44:54 2017
From: kevin at k4vd.net (Kevin - K4VD)
Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2017 09:44:54 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Praise for the Newsletter
Message-ID: <CAFA9ujt94G1usvXusn7PHxrv0ASZuNX4LmiLVP2Cpj7Heb7fmQ@mail.gmail.com>

Looking back at the archives this is Elecraft's second newsletter but first
with some real meat. Other items in the archive were advertising campaigns.
While the February newsletter had a nice article up front this latest issue
actually matches the quality of information I expect from E.

The Field Day tips are timely but these tips could be used for any day or
two in the field. I'm particularly looking forward to trying the tips on
antenna spacing and rig adjustments when we have two KX3s (and two backup
KX3s) in close proximity (same picnic table) in Floyd, VA for our club's
2017 2A Battery FD effort.

Keep this kind of writing up and I'll be looking forward to every new
issue. I would love to see some practical articles on portable setups
including antenna options. Maybe highlight some hams using Elecraft in
various situations. Maybe a new tip each issue similar to the all the tips
on the current newsletter.

One thing I noticed, the blue bar across the top shows this latest
newsletter is the *April *issue.

73,
Kev K4VD

From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Mon Jun 19 09:51:29 2017
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2017 09:51:29 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K-Pod software 1.09
In-Reply-To: <1497876379211-7631882.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <15cb6a50fe0-11da-19668@webprd-a75.mail.aol.com>
	<13929609-03eb-4286-1f39-78c87c3da9d8@embarqmail.com>
	<1497876379211-7631882.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <e3ba60d5-2d46-40fe-c5b1-54716abb54d8@embarqmail.com>

Mitch,

I recall that the rate difference was discussed and decided to be the 
best during Field Test of the K-Pod.
I don't recall any attempts to have the firmware match them.  You would 
have to search the archives for that information.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 6/19/2017 8:46 AM, NW0M wrote:
> Hi Don,
> 
> Wasn't the K-Pod tuning rate to match the K3 rate added to the future
> firmware list shortly after the K-Pod came out?  I don't understand the
> design rationale to tune at the 1/2 rate.  I would like to see it match the
> rate or have a configuration setting.

From tim.n9puz at gmail.com  Mon Jun 19 11:02:00 2017
From: tim.n9puz at gmail.com (Tim McDonough N9PUZ)
Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2017 10:02:00 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 heatsink
In-Reply-To: <02b169ae-350b-2703-0c34-7ab7051c359e@mebtel.net>
References: <02b169ae-350b-2703-0c34-7ab7051c359e@mebtel.net>
Message-ID: <5fa4ae94-9a5d-bf93-9a5c-03b87cc050f2@gmail.com>

On 6/18/2017 8:48 PM, Howard Hoyt wrote:

> The newer Elecraft revision with the silicone electrical isolators and 
> other PA differences will not show quite as good thermal performance as 
> the original design where the PA FETs were mounted directly to the 
> heatsink or right end panel.

Does anyone know at what serial number KX2 the PA changes were made?

Tim N9PUZ


From n6kr at elecraft.com  Mon Jun 19 11:20:20 2017
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2017 08:20:20 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 heatsink
In-Reply-To: <5fa4ae94-9a5d-bf93-9a5c-03b87cc050f2@gmail.com>
References: <02b169ae-350b-2703-0c34-7ab7051c359e@mebtel.net>
	<5fa4ae94-9a5d-bf93-9a5c-03b87cc050f2@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B365B097-92C2-45AF-BC2B-7593775B9DC8@elecraft.com>

This change was made very early on in production and is not significant in terms of thermal performance.

Wayne
N6KR


> On Jun 19, 2017, at 8:02 AM, Tim McDonough N9PUZ <tim.n9puz at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> On 6/18/2017 8:48 PM, Howard Hoyt wrote:
> 
>> The newer Elecraft revision with the silicone electrical isolators and other PA differences will not show quite as good thermal performance as the original design where the PA FETs were mounted directly to the heatsink or right end panel.
> 
> Does anyone know at what serial number KX2 the PA changes were made?
> 
> Tim N9PUZ




From n6kr at elecraft.com  Mon Jun 19 11:41:32 2017
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2017 08:41:32 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 heatsink
In-Reply-To: <24c7697d-0459-5a3a-c022-ab3c4779425f@kn5l.net>
References: <mailman.967.1497795177.7807.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
	<CA+SkHY6TsTL-NyUsOmwe75fPQS2uZzAu9AAuyu-d2n9Tx6sVWQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<e8b4eccd-7e5a-cc86-76a4-0f37bcbdb5fd@embarqmail.com>
	<ce12acff-9f4b-1cda-ac94-4b981e6796dc@montac.com>
	<24c7697d-0459-5a3a-c022-ab3c4779425f@kn5l.net>
Message-ID: <72E49C39-3A78-489F-90FA-FBD5A6895127@elecraft.com>

> John Oppenheimer <john at KN5L.net> wrote:
> 
> My KX2 dropped from 10W to 5W at 3 minutes 48 seconds of key down,
> starting at 25C.



This is fairly typical. I?ve seen some as high as 8 minutes. 

Some tips related to PA temperature:

- Make sure all right-side hardware is tightened

- Running from a lower supply voltage (e.g., the 11 V internal battery)
  should reduce power dissipation

- Keep the radio out of direct sunlight when possible

- In contests, use hunt-and-pounce operation, not continuous CQing
  (this tip applies to QRP operation in general; listen more
  than you transmit)

Wayne
N6KR


From KX2_KX3 at swsports.org  Mon Jun 19 11:42:40 2017
From: KX2_KX3 at swsports.org (Tom Francis, W1TEF)
Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2017 11:42:40 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KXPD2 contact post screws...
Message-ID: <c3fb5f20-0dce-f46f-4c65-7ee7b02ba32a@swsports.org>

Greetings,

I've been plagued with an issue involving the KXPD2 paddles contact posts,
namely the posts coming loose and the screws so loose that the posts 
actually
fall out of the paddles.  This is not a one-off issue - I've been 
through four sets
of these paddles and they all succumb to the same problem.  I've tried 
non-hardening
Loc-Tite, Loc-Tite blue goo - in short everything other than Permatex to 
hold
the screws and contact posts in place - nothing seems to have any effect on
the posts coming loose.

After thinking about it, and experimenting a little, I've come to the 
conclusion
that the issue is the screws, not the posts - I believe that the screws 
are too short
and need to be longer to properly keep tension on the posts under normal 
use.

I'm also convinced that the minor "warming" of the area where the KXPD2 
attaches
to the radio exacerbates the problem - this may be just my own idea 
conceptually
and I realize it seems unlikely to be a problem, but you never know.

It is what it is - what I need is to size the screws that hold the 
contact posts in place
so I can experiment with longer screws.

Anybody happen to know what the screw size is?  And before you ask, yes 
I know
about "better" keys and I do use them, but I want to solve this issue as 
I really like
the idea of the built in paddles - it's very convenient when operating 
mobile.

Very best regards,

Tom, W1TEF



From Nolan at KI5IO.com  Mon Jun 19 12:11:49 2017
From: Nolan at KI5IO.com (Nolan Kienitz)
Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2017 11:11:49 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Using Heil Pro Set Elite boom mic on K3.. what
	adapter is required?
Message-ID: <006e01d2e916$c1e665a0$45b330e0$@KI5IO.com>

Dave,

Do you also use the PTT button that Heil has for the Pro Set units? I need to dig into how to make that happen using the rear jacks.

I would like to clean up from front panel as well.

73,
	Nolan Kienitz  -  KI5IO



From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Mon Jun 19 12:18:19 2017
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2017 11:18:19 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Using Heil Pro Set Elite boom mic on K3.. what
 adapter is required?
In-Reply-To: <006e01d2e916$c1e665a0$45b330e0$@KI5IO.com>
References: <006e01d2e916$c1e665a0$45b330e0$@KI5IO.com>
Message-ID: <df274770-8674-4c95-7bd8-27e8dae09eb1@blomand.net>

Plug the mike and phones into the respective jacks as marked on the rear 
and the foot switch into the PTT IN connector.   The MENU under MIKE SEL 
will need to be changed as discussed earlier.

Personally, as fantastic as the VOX works, I really enjoy using that 
feature.   Of course using VOX one needs to use a headset/boom mike so 
the mike-to-mouth position stays the same. A bit more challenging to 
accomplish with a desk mike or hand mike.

73

Bob, K4TAX



On 6/19/2017 11:11 AM, Nolan Kienitz wrote:
> Dave,
>
> Do you also use the PTT button that Heil has for the Pro Set units? I need to dig into how to make that happen using the rear jacks.
>
> I would like to clean up from front panel as well.
>
> 73,
> 	Nolan Kienitz  -  KI5IO
>



From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Mon Jun 19 12:19:12 2017
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2017 12:19:12 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KXPD2 contact post screws...
In-Reply-To: <c3fb5f20-0dce-f46f-4c65-7ee7b02ba32a@swsports.org>
References: <c3fb5f20-0dce-f46f-4c65-7ee7b02ba32a@swsports.org>
Message-ID: <35395cc2-4c48-8ae4-8fa3-93d185456556@embarqmail.com>

Tom,

I do not know, but I would expect the screw size to be either 4-40 or if 
smaller, 2-56.  Elecraft uses US sized screws.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 6/19/2017 11:42 AM, Tom Francis, W1TEF wrote:

> It is what it is - what I need is to size the screws that hold the 
> contact posts in place
> so I can experiment with longer screws.
> 
> Anybody happen to know what the screw size is?  

From w7aqk at cox.net  Mon Jun 19 14:16:14 2017
From: w7aqk at cox.net (w7aqk)
Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2017 11:16:14 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft]  Using Heil Pro Set Elite boom mic on K3.. what
Message-ID: <66CF2797C2184F34BCC4188166E61646@LAPTOPEPVQLR1I>

Hi All,

I am a little surprised there continues to be so much conversation about 
using the Heil Pro Set with Elecraft rigs.  Of course, much of it probably 
is from those who already have a "Pro Set", and maybe others are just super 
loyal to Heil stuff.  Heil does make good equipment, but I think K9YC has 
pretty well convinced (and documented) most of us that the Yamaha CM-500 is 
just as good, if not better, and far cheaper.  I find no difference comfort 
wise, and I think the RX audio is better.

I had a Pro Set long before I got my Yamaha CM-500.  I also bought an "IC" 
version (the one Heil makes for Elecraft) before I was made aware of the 
Yamaha.  On both the standard Pro Set version and the IC version, I found 
the headphone section to be problematic--weak audio.  A lot of other folks 
agreed, but some disagreed, with that assessment.  Otherwise, the Heils are 
fine.  Personally, I don't know why Elecraft doesn't offer the Yamaha, 
either in addition to or in lieu of, the Heil.  Maybe they just can't make 
any money off of it!

The Yamaha CM-500 is an electret, and that seems to work far better with a 
lot of radios.  Heil's IC version was produced, as I understand it, 
primarily to benefit Icom rigs (thus the "IC" designation?), which seemed to 
work far better using electrets.  Perhaps this doesn't comport with those 
interested in "high fidelity audio", but everyone seems to like how I sound 
using an electret.  Using the audio equalizer on most newer Elecraft rigs 
you can sound almost any way you want!  The Yamaha works equally well with 
all my Elecraft rigs, including the KX3 and KX2.  The Yamahas hold up well 
too, but if you have one that doesn't, you can almost treat it like a 
throw-a-way BIC pen, and get two more for probably less than you would pay 
for a Heil Pro.  You will pay almost as much just to get an adaptor, if you 
are using your Pro Set on something other than a Kenwood rig, as a Yamaha 
would cost.  With a Yamaha, you don't need a complicated adapter.  Just plug 
it into the back!  If you want to plug it into the front, you only need a 
standard, inexpensive, 1/4 inch adapter.

Now, Heil has introduced newer (improved?) versions of it's Pro Set, but I 
have yet to hear anything about better RX audio.  Perhaps its better, but 
the price has gone way up!  Maybe someone more familiar with these newer 
versions can clarify this.

Anyway, if you haven't read K9YC's commentary, you might want to do so. 
It's all on his website.

Cheers!

Dave W7AQK



From nw0m at embarqmail.com  Mon Jun 19 15:21:53 2017
From: nw0m at embarqmail.com (NW0M)
Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2017 12:21:53 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] K-Pod Tuning rate
In-Reply-To: <359731567.654994.1473293633155@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <15706d0c00d-3e7f-1639e@webprd-m88.mail.aol.com>
	<359731567.654994.1473293633155@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1497900113210-7631896.post@n2.nabble.com>

Don,

Below is a post from Wayne last year stating they plan to make the K-Pod
tuning rate a configuration setting.  Not a big deal but maybe we'll get an
update on this.  Tnx.

73,
Mitch NW?M



"The K3 and K3S both use all 400 counts of the VFO A and B encoders (100
pulses/track/revolution).?

The K-Pod defaults to 200 counts. During our testing we found that this
provided the best compromise between precision and "fussiness" for typical
K-Pod operations.

We plan to add a function to K-Pod Utility (which itself isn't quite ready
yet) that will allow the user to change this to 100/200/400.

73,
Wayne
N6KR"
?



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View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K-Pod-Tuning-rate-tp7622288p7631896.html
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From morrellm at att.net  Mon Jun 19 15:29:48 2017
From: morrellm at att.net (Mike Morrell)
Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2017 15:29:48 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Cooling on a KX2
Message-ID: <000e01d2e932$6b232e30$41698a90$@att.net>

Gents: 

 

Please excuse my ignorance here but being a retired professional  engineer
and owning the complete KX? Series,  it seems to me why rely upon natural
convection alone?  If you have the means (indoors) why not provide yourself
a simple DC fan blowing over the heat sink and move the convection component
to forced convection? Forced convection has significant higher heat transfer
than  the conduction/natural convection model that the Elecraft KX? Series
uses.  While going to extended surface area that the Pro Audio fins gives,
nothing beats a blast of cooling air over these fins to move the heat
transfer to a much higher value than natural convection alone.  Another way
of saying this is why does a car draw air over the radiator ( extended
surface) ? 

 

Regards,

 

Mike K8KE

 

 


From john at kn5l.net  Mon Jun 19 17:13:30 2017
From: john at kn5l.net (John Oppenheimer)
Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2017 16:13:30 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 heatsink
In-Reply-To: <72E49C39-3A78-489F-90FA-FBD5A6895127@elecraft.com>
References: <mailman.967.1497795177.7807.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
	<CA+SkHY6TsTL-NyUsOmwe75fPQS2uZzAu9AAuyu-d2n9Tx6sVWQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<e8b4eccd-7e5a-cc86-76a4-0f37bcbdb5fd@embarqmail.com>
	<ce12acff-9f4b-1cda-ac94-4b981e6796dc@montac.com>
	<24c7697d-0459-5a3a-c022-ab3c4779425f@kn5l.net>
	<72E49C39-3A78-489F-90FA-FBD5A6895127@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <fe5e1093-e8c1-011d-cbb6-54400c9dd520@kn5l.net>

On 06/19/2017 10:41 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
> - Running from a lower supply voltage (e.g., the 11 V internal battery)
>   should reduce power dissipation

This is counter to what I had thought! But:

With external 13.8V input, power lowered to 5W at 3 minutes 48 seconds.

With internal battery, I gave up at after 8 minutes, with PA temperature
at 60C.

Maybe a new KX2 11V power supply is needed for dx-peditions similar to
Linas' adventure to Aland Islands.

John KN5L

From josh at voodoolab.com  Mon Jun 19 17:50:30 2017
From: josh at voodoolab.com (Josh Fiden)
Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2017 14:50:30 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3+P3+Microkeyer II
In-Reply-To: <69711431-6C8C-4234-9E21-E4F003E4651A@portcredit.net>
References: <768376c5-b41b-156f-2dd6-fe2efbfd0592@alice.it>
	<03cc064d-c487-26e6-ad5b-b16a97f89d5c@embarqmail.com>
	<0c728f7f-3e9d-6a57-55f9-c18b606206f1@subich.com>
	<1AB6AE30-3821-4511-BE64-6CDEE94BEB93@voodoolab.com>
	<a0e5a4ff-88a9-ba58-3984-ebdb68afeedc@subich.com>
	<EF48A580-2E52-4DF9-AB96-B135FAC3489C@voodoolab.com>
	<69711431-6C8C-4234-9E21-E4F003E4651A@portcredit.net>
Message-ID: <79023e7a-3e40-f615-4650-7aef97976c9d@voodoolab.com>

OM-Power includes TCP/IP support built into the 2000A+ and via an 
optional control head with the other autotune amps. They use Lantronix 
XPort.

73,
Josh W6XU

On 6/19/2017 6:07 AM, Mike va3mw wrote:
> Another reason to start moving to a LAN based solution as it is so much simpler to share frequency data.
>
> If vendors supported it at the box level cabling nightmares start to go away.  I'm now running raw socket connections where I can to rs232/ip converters.
>
> Mike va3mw
>


From k9ma at sdellington.us  Mon Jun 19 18:27:21 2017
From: k9ma at sdellington.us (K9MA)
Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2017 17:27:21 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 heatsink
In-Reply-To: <fe5e1093-e8c1-011d-cbb6-54400c9dd520@kn5l.net>
References: <mailman.967.1497795177.7807.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
	<CA+SkHY6TsTL-NyUsOmwe75fPQS2uZzAu9AAuyu-d2n9Tx6sVWQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<e8b4eccd-7e5a-cc86-76a4-0f37bcbdb5fd@embarqmail.com>
	<ce12acff-9f4b-1cda-ac94-4b981e6796dc@montac.com>
	<24c7697d-0459-5a3a-c022-ab3c4779425f@kn5l.net>
	<72E49C39-3A78-489F-90FA-FBD5A6895127@elecraft.com>
	<fe5e1093-e8c1-011d-cbb6-54400c9dd520@kn5l.net>
Message-ID: <1b72f855-ac85-8157-884e-6bf1b10cc0ff@sdellington.us>

On 6/19/2017 16:13, John Oppenheimer wrote:
> On 06/19/2017 10:41 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
>> - Running from a lower supply voltage (e.g., the 11 V internal battery)
>>    should reduce power dissipation
> This is counter to what I had thought!

This makes perfect sense.  The closer the PA operates to saturation, the 
more efficient it is.  Linearity, of course, is another matter entirely.

-- 
Scott  K9MA

k9ma at sdellington.us


From va3mw at portcredit.net  Mon Jun 19 18:33:27 2017
From: va3mw at portcredit.net (Michael Walker)
Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2017 18:33:27 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 in host/server mode - intermittent failures
In-Reply-To: <CA+33ts5gCBUu7xWguFau47mYiZt-7XmCpO8WD=BZf5jaS8Vf0Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+33ts5gCBUu7xWguFau47mYiZt-7XmCpO8WD=BZf5jaS8Vf0Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+33ts4NBb2ZNXOAu8-ORhjy=TkZ80VsyEc14B3ffShzy9Q8TQ@mail.gmail.com>

All

I figured out the problem and the solution.

If you connect to the KPA500 software from another client and you do NOT
provide the password, you are connect in a 'listen only' mode where you
only see what is going on with the amplifier.

Once you have provided the password, then you have full control of the
amplifier from another computer.

The is clearly a PEBCAC issue.

Jack, thanks for getting back to me.  I thought you would like to know.

Mike va3mw


On Sun, Jun 11, 2017 at 11:46 AM, Michael Walker <va3mw at portcredit.net>
wrote:

> I am having an issue with the KPA500 software.
>
> It works fine on one PC, but when you use it in client/server mode, which
> I do a lot, It randomly fails on the the client PC.  I can see what it is
> doing, but no joy for any commands.  It has worked at times.  it is also
> not a timeout issue.
>
> The network is both devices on the same subnet plugged into the same
> switch with 3ft cables.  Other applications like PSTRotatorAZ work fine
> when doing something similar.
>
> The ports and ip addresses are correct.  One other ham friend of mine
> reports the same intermittent failure.
>
> Is anyone else using this mode and having similar issues?
>
> Mike va3mw
>
> ps.  I would include screen shots, but the small image size restriction
> makes is hard to do.
>
>
>

From john at kn5l.net  Mon Jun 19 19:06:28 2017
From: john at kn5l.net (John Oppenheimer)
Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2017 18:06:28 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 heatsink
In-Reply-To: <72E49C39-3A78-489F-90FA-FBD5A6895127@elecraft.com>
References: <mailman.967.1497795177.7807.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
	<CA+SkHY6TsTL-NyUsOmwe75fPQS2uZzAu9AAuyu-d2n9Tx6sVWQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<e8b4eccd-7e5a-cc86-76a4-0f37bcbdb5fd@embarqmail.com>
	<ce12acff-9f4b-1cda-ac94-4b981e6796dc@montac.com>
	<24c7697d-0459-5a3a-c022-ab3c4779425f@kn5l.net>
	<72E49C39-3A78-489F-90FA-FBD5A6895127@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <0567b9c8-2add-fd86-39e8-a2426f13b346@kn5l.net>

On 06/19/2017 10:41 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
> - Running from a lower supply voltage (e.g., the 11 V internal battery)
>   should reduce power dissipation

With external 13.8V input, power lowered to 5W at 3 minutes 48 seconds.

With internal battery, at 8 minutes, the PA temperature was 60C.

John KN5L

From gary_mayfield at hotmail.com  Mon Jun 19 19:10:05 2017
From: gary_mayfield at hotmail.com (Gary)
Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2017 23:10:05 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Which do I Want?
Message-ID: <CY4PR22MB0789A25FED7EEFDAF404327B8AC40@CY4PR22MB0789.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>

Howdy,


     I bought a KX1 at hamfest recently. It did not have the 30/80 board so I ordered it from Elecraft. Now I need to order the firmware as my radio had an old version. Customer service pointed me at this sight:

http://www.elecraft.com/order_form_parts.htm#K1%20Parts


I am a little confused on which one to buy:

KX1 F/W Upgrade 1.02  or  KXAT1 F/W Upgrade to 1.2

I would have thought v1.2 but the description on v1.02 has a newer date. Will they both work with my 30/80 board? It would be nice to be able to manual tune SWL as well.

Thanks and 73,
Joe kk0sd




From k6dgw at foothill.net  Mon Jun 19 19:20:02 2017
From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen)
Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2017 16:20:02 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Which do I Want?
In-Reply-To: <CY4PR22MB0789A25FED7EEFDAF404327B8AC40@CY4PR22MB0789.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>
References: <CY4PR22MB0789A25FED7EEFDAF404327B8AC40@CY4PR22MB0789.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <0abdb9db-05e4-e9e0-822b-8c18b8e087eb@foothill.net>

They are for two separate components.  KX1 1.02 is for the base KX1.  
KXAT1 1.2 is for the KXAT1 ATU.  If you have the ATU option, probably 
good to get it. They're for different components so they have different 
dates. If you don'thave the KXAT1 option, you have no place to put the 
upgrade so skip it.

Good luck with your KX1.  I finally sold mine, got too old and feeble to 
manage the sort of expeditions and SOTA activations I used it for.  It's 
a really fun little radio.

73,

Fred ("Skip") K6DGW
Sparks NV USA
Washoe County DM09dn

On 6/19/2017 4:10 PM, Gary wrote:
> Howdy,
>
>
>       I bought a KX1 at hamfest recently. It did not have the 30/80 board so I ordered it from Elecraft. Now I need to order the firmware as my radio had an old version. Customer service pointed me at this sight:
>
> http://www.elecraft.com/order_form_parts.htm#K1%20Parts
>
>
> I am a little confused on which one to buy:
>
> KX1 F/W Upgrade 1.02  or  KXAT1 F/W Upgrade to 1.2
>
> I would have thought v1.2 but the description on v1.02 has a newer date. Will they both work with my 30/80 board? It would be nice to be able to manual tune SWL as well.
>
> Thanks and 73,
> Joe kk0sd
>


From gary_mayfield at hotmail.com  Mon Jun 19 20:16:53 2017
From: gary_mayfield at hotmail.com (Gary)
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2017 00:16:53 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Which do I Want?
In-Reply-To: <0abdb9db-05e4-e9e0-822b-8c18b8e087eb@foothill.net>
References: <CY4PR22MB0789A25FED7EEFDAF404327B8AC40@CY4PR22MB0789.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>,
	<0abdb9db-05e4-e9e0-822b-8c18b8e087eb@foothill.net>
Message-ID: <CY4PR22MB07891978AAE22127C505E9508AC50@CY4PR22MB0789.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>


My radio will have the 30/80 board and the tuner when I am done - (i.e. I have both).

Thanks and 73,
Joe kk0sd

________________________________
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> on behalf of Fred Jensen <k6dgw at foothill.net>
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 6:20 PM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Which do I Want?

They are for two separate components.  KX1 1.02 is for the base KX1.
KXAT1 1.2 is for the KXAT1 ATU.  If you have the ATU option, probably
good to get it. They're for different components so they have different
dates. If you don'thave the KXAT1 option, you have no place to put the
upgrade so skip it.

Good luck with your KX1.  I finally sold mine, got too old and feeble to
manage the sort of expeditions and SOTA activations I used it for.  It's
a really fun little radio.

73,

Fred ("Skip") K6DGW
Sparks NV USA
Washoe County DM09dn

On 6/19/2017 4:10 PM, Gary wrote:
> Howdy,
>
>
>       I bought a KX1 at hamfest recently. It did not have the 30/80 board so I ordered it from Elecraft. Now I need to order the firmware as my radio had an old version. Customer service pointed me at this sight:
>
> http://www.elecraft.com/order_form_parts.htm#K1%20Parts
Elecraft? Hands-On Ham Radio?<http://www.elecraft.com/order_form_parts.htm#K1%20Parts>
www.elecraft.com
If you need parts not listed on this order form, or have suggestions for parts to add, please ...



>
>
> I am a little confused on which one to buy:
>
> KX1 F/W Upgrade 1.02  or  KXAT1 F/W Upgrade to 1.2
>
> I would have thought v1.2 but the description on v1.02 has a newer date. Will they both work with my 30/80 board? It would be nice to be able to manual tune SWL as well.
>
> Thanks and 73,
> Joe kk0sd
>

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From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Mon Jun 19 20:57:40 2017
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2017 20:57:40 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Which do I Want?
In-Reply-To: <CY4PR22MB0789A25FED7EEFDAF404327B8AC40@CY4PR22MB0789.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>
References: <CY4PR22MB0789A25FED7EEFDAF404327B8AC40@CY4PR22MB0789.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <b236239a-a493-e131-b368-158e54d4b9c5@embarqmail.com>

Gary,

You need KX1 FW upgrade 1.02.  The KXAT1 firmware does not need to change.

You ordered an *option* for the KX1 that needs the updated firmware to 
support it.  Elecraft has always offered the firmware upgrade in those 
cases free of additional cost.  I believe that policy is still in place.
Contact sales at elecraft.com and ask for the updated firmware to support 
your option.

There are not too many KX1s out there that still have FW 1.01.

I am surprised that the support folks did not pick up on that policy, 
but then the regular support person for the legacy gear is not in this 
week, so the ones who are left do not normally deal with the KX1, K2 or K1.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 6/19/2017 7:10 PM, Gary wrote:
> Howdy,
> 
> 
>       I bought a KX1 at hamfest recently. It did not have the 30/80 board so I ordered it from Elecraft. Now I need to order the firmware as my radio had an old version. Customer service pointed me at this sight:
> 
> http://www.elecraft.com/order_form_parts.htm#K1%20Parts
> 
> 
> I am a little confused on which one to buy:
> 
> KX1 F/W Upgrade 1.02  or  KXAT1 F/W Upgrade to 1.2
> 
> I would have thought v1.2 but the description on v1.02 has a newer date. Will they both work with my 30/80 board? It would be nice to be able to manual tune SWL as well.
> 
> Thanks and 73,
> Joe kk0sd
> 
> 
> 
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From gary_mayfield at hotmail.com  Mon Jun 19 21:37:05 2017
From: gary_mayfield at hotmail.com (Gary)
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2017 01:37:05 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Which do I Want?
In-Reply-To: <b236239a-a493-e131-b368-158e54d4b9c5@embarqmail.com>
References: <CY4PR22MB0789A25FED7EEFDAF404327B8AC40@CY4PR22MB0789.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>,
	<b236239a-a493-e131-b368-158e54d4b9c5@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <CY4PR22MB07890BD15A69AE14386D37E08AC50@CY4PR22MB0789.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>


Thanks Don,

I started with sales and they pointed me at support which pointed out the firmware purchase site to both myself and the sales person. I suspect that policy is no longer in effect.

Also thanks for letting me know the other software is for the tuner. I didn't look that closely at my tuner to see if the software was up to date. I will check to make sure I don't need both as I would like to be able to adjust the tuner while SWLing.

Thanks and 73,
Joe kk0sd

________________________________
From: Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com>
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2017 7:57 PM
To: Gary; elecraft list
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Which do I Want?

Gary,

You need KX1 FW upgrade 1.02.  The KXAT1 firmware does not need to change.

You ordered an *option* for the KX1 that needs the updated firmware to
support it.  Elecraft has always offered the firmware upgrade in those
cases free of additional cost.  I believe that policy is still in place.
Contact sales at elecraft.com and ask for the updated firmware to support
your option.

There are not too many KX1s out there that still have FW 1.01.

I am surprised that the support folks did not pick up on that policy,
but then the regular support person for the legacy gear is not in this
week, so the ones who are left do not normally deal with the KX1, K2 or K1.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 6/19/2017 7:10 PM, Gary wrote:
> Howdy,
>
>
>       I bought a KX1 at hamfest recently. It did not have the 30/80 board so I ordered it from Elecraft. Now I need to order the firmware as my radio had an old version. Customer service pointed me at this sight:
>
> http://www.elecraft.com/order_form_parts.htm#K1%20Parts
Elecraft? Hands-On Ham Radio?<http://www.elecraft.com/order_form_parts.htm#K1%20Parts>
www.elecraft.com
If you need parts not listed on this order form, or have suggestions for parts to add, please ...



>
>
> I am a little confused on which one to buy:
>
> KX1 F/W Upgrade 1.02  or  KXAT1 F/W Upgrade to 1.2
>
> I would have thought v1.2 but the description on v1.02 has a newer date. Will they both work with my 30/80 board? It would be nice to be able to manual tune SWL as well.
>
> Thanks and 73,
> Joe kk0sd
>
>
>
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From nr4c at widomaker.com  Mon Jun 19 23:43:23 2017
From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c)
Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2017 23:43:23 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Using Heil Pro Set Elite boom mic on K3.. what
	adapter is required?
In-Reply-To: <006e01d2e916$c1e665a0$45b330e0$@KI5IO.com>
References: <006e01d2e916$c1e665a0$45b330e0$@KI5IO.com>
Message-ID: <529C7961-B5B1-431A-B68B-1E31C8BA736E@widomaker.com>

There is a PTT RCA jack on rear panel. 

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill


> On Jun 19, 2017, at 12:11 PM, Nolan Kienitz <Nolan at KI5IO.com> wrote:
> 
> Dave,
> 
> Do you also use the PTT button that Heil has for the Pro Set units? I need to dig into how to make that happen using the rear jacks.
> 
> I would like to clean up from front panel as well.
> 
> 73,
>    Nolan Kienitz  -  KI5IO
> 
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From ny9h at arrl.net  Tue Jun 20 09:24:52 2017
From: ny9h at arrl.net (bill steffey)
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2017 09:24:52 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] a real expedition... some radio
Message-ID: <mailman.21.1497965154.7804.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>

Taking the kx2 to norway for an expedition to  shetland is, orkney 
is, faroe is, and iceland....  22nd to JUL 4

will have whips for portable, and wires and a kxpa100 for the main mast...
18mhz will probably where most success as previous traveling ham 
advised there is s7 'boat' noise on 20 /40, I hope to find a more 
optimum antenna placement,.

I'll be that weak signal on 18mHz. ' vacation operating style'

bill /3

  


From n1rj at roadrunner.com  Tue Jun 20 10:19:03 2017
From: n1rj at roadrunner.com (Roger D Johnson)
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2017 10:19:03 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] OT - DX Cluster Programs
Message-ID: <59492ED7.303@roadrunner.com>

I've just gotten interested in 6 meters but only CW and SSB. Is there any cluster
software that lets you filter out the digital spots on 50,276?

Thanks, Roger


From w0mu at w0mu.com  Tue Jun 20 10:26:15 2017
From: w0mu at w0mu.com (W0MU Mike Fatchett)
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2017 08:26:15 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] OT - DX Cluster Programs
In-Reply-To: <59492ED7.303@roadrunner.com>
References: <59492ED7.303@roadrunner.com>
Message-ID: <5fbbd877-b395-6d22-aede-dc767aa2438b@w0mu.com>

CC user by VE7CC allows you to filter just about everything.  It is free.

http://www.bcdxc.org/ve7cc/

W0MU


On 6/20/2017 8:19 AM, Roger D Johnson wrote:
> I've just gotten interested in 6 meters but only CW and SSB. Is there 
> any cluster
> software that lets you filter out the digital spots on 50,276?
>
> Thanks, Roger
>
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From k7voradio at gmail.com  Tue Jun 20 11:40:04 2017
From: k7voradio at gmail.com (Robert Sands)
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2017 08:40:04 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 upgrade to provide display transmit information?
Message-ID: <594941d3.447c630a.3361e.810a@mx.google.com>

After looking at the new station monitors by w8LP I thought I would ask if the P3 might be tweaked to provide transmit quality information via a display. Not sure how far it can go within its hardware envelope of capability. Perhaps there is a software update that will provide some of what I am requesting.
Bob
K7VO

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From repair at willcoele.com  Tue Jun 20 11:48:40 2017
From: repair at willcoele.com (wa9fvp)
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2017 08:48:40 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Noise reduction Test
Message-ID: <1497973720914-7631913.post@n2.nabble.com>

I did a comprehensive test of the K3S noise reduction system and uploaded the
same document to the Elecraft_K3 Yahoo group. 


Elecraft_K3_NoiseReduction.pdf
<http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/file/n7631913/Elecraft_K3_NoiseReduction.pdf>  

Here's what I concluded.

Settings Fn-1 provides the least noise reduction.  Fn-2 and Fn-3 noise
levels are almost the same and one setting could be eliminated.  Fn-4
provides the most noise reduction and having 3 settings, it would
simplifying NR adjustments.  The NR delays that is, F1-n through F4-n, could
be added to the configuration menu.  There are delay differences in the
noise ripple but aurally, with a complex voice waveform, there?s no
distinction between the delay settings.


Don't get me wrong! I'm not that saying there's something wrong with the
K3/K3S noise reduction. It works very well!  I think there are too many
settings and some can be eliminated.  What are your thoughts?



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From cautery at montac.com  Tue Jun 20 12:59:09 2017
From: cautery at montac.com (Clay Autery)
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2017 11:59:09 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] OT - DX Cluster Programs
In-Reply-To: <59492ED7.303@roadrunner.com>
References: <59492ED7.303@roadrunner.com>
Message-ID: <716f2f59-5b66-0942-012f-6f151993c77f@montac.com>

Feed HRD Logbook with CC User.... read the docs and then set up the
filters with whatever level of granularity you require.

______________________
Clay Autery, KY5G

On 6/20/2017 9:19 AM, Roger D Johnson wrote:
> I've just gotten interested in 6 meters but only CW and SSB. Is there
> any cluster
> software that lets you filter out the digital spots on 50,276?
>
> Thanks, Roger
>
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From cautery at montac.com  Tue Jun 20 13:00:28 2017
From: cautery at montac.com (Clay Autery)
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2017 12:00:28 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] OT - DX Cluster Programs
In-Reply-To: <5fbbd877-b395-6d22-aede-dc767aa2438b@w0mu.com>
References: <59492ED7.303@roadrunner.com>
	<5fbbd877-b395-6d22-aede-dc767aa2438b@w0mu.com>
Message-ID: <216b2600-ed84-933b-1ee9-0ee72312165b@montac.com>

TRULY awesome software....  I wish someone/group would step in to
re-ignite its development.

Hope to never have to NOT have CC User...

______________________
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On 6/20/2017 9:26 AM, W0MU Mike Fatchett wrote:
> CC user by VE7CC allows you to filter just about everything.  It is free.
>
> http://www.bcdxc.org/ve7cc/
>
> W0MU

From cautery at montac.com  Tue Jun 20 13:05:19 2017
From: cautery at montac.com (Clay Autery)
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2017 12:05:19 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Noise reduction Test
In-Reply-To: <1497973720914-7631913.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1497973720914-7631913.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <3c787c27-661a-a4be-835d-baef0e297fbf@montac.com>

To what productive/beneficial end?

______________________
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On 6/20/2017 10:48 AM, wa9fvp wrote:
> I did a comprehensive test of the K3S noise reduction system and uploaded the
> same document to the Elecraft_K3 Yahoo group. 
>
>
> Elecraft_K3_NoiseReduction.pdf
> <http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/file/n7631913/Elecraft_K3_NoiseReduction.pdf>  
>
> Here's what I concluded.
>
> Settings Fn-1 provides the least noise reduction.  Fn-2 and Fn-3 noise
> levels are almost the same and one setting could be eliminated.  Fn-4
> provides the most noise reduction and having 3 settings, it would
> simplifying NR adjustments.  The NR delays that is, F1-n through F4-n, could
> be added to the configuration menu.  There are delay differences in the
> noise ripple but aurally, with a complex voice waveform, there?s no
> distinction between the delay settings.
>
>
> Don't get me wrong! I'm not that saying there's something wrong with the
> K3/K3S noise reduction. It works very well!  I think there are too many
> settings and some can be eliminated.  What are your thoughts?
>
>
>
> -----
> Jack WA9FVP

From dave at nk7z.net  Tue Jun 20 13:09:52 2017
From: dave at nk7z.net (Dave Cole)
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2017 10:09:52 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Noise reduction Test
In-Reply-To: <1497973720914-7631913.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1497973720914-7631913.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <1803e4d6-ecc2-b01e-0657-0df4658f4497@nk7z.net>

Thanks for sharing!

73s and thanks,
Dave
NK7Z
http://www.nk7z.net

On 06/20/2017 08:48 AM, wa9fvp wrote:
> I did a comprehensive test of the K3S noise reduction system and uploaded the
> same document to the Elecraft_K3 Yahoo group.
>
>
> Elecraft_K3_NoiseReduction.pdf
> <http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/file/n7631913/Elecraft_K3_NoiseReduction.pdf>
>
> Here's what I concluded.
>
> Settings Fn-1 provides the least noise reduction.  Fn-2 and Fn-3 noise
> levels are almost the same and one setting could be eliminated.  Fn-4
> provides the most noise reduction and having 3 settings, it would
> simplifying NR adjustments.  The NR delays that is, F1-n through F4-n, could
> be added to the configuration menu.  There are delay differences in the
> noise ripple but aurally, with a complex voice waveform, there?s no
> distinction between the delay settings.
>
>
> Don't get me wrong! I'm not that saying there's something wrong with the
> K3/K3S noise reduction. It works very well!  I think there are too many
> settings and some can be eliminated.  What are your thoughts?
>
>
>
> -----
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>
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From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Tue Jun 20 13:20:16 2017
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2017 10:20:16 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Noise reduction Test
In-Reply-To: <1803e4d6-ecc2-b01e-0657-0df4658f4497@nk7z.net>
References: <1497973720914-7631913.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<1803e4d6-ecc2-b01e-0657-0df4658f4497@nk7z.net>
Message-ID: <ee5f0e25-b4fd-e030-4b65-d712778c7f35@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On Tue,6/20/2017 10:09 AM, Dave Cole wrote:
> It works very well!  I think there are too many
> settings and some can be eliminated.  What are your thoughts? 

Elecraft's NB and NR systems are designed so that they can be optimized 
for a wide variety of noise, and a wide variety of operating modes -- 
CW, SSB, AM, FM, and a dozen different digital modes. What's optimum for 
you may not be optimum for others with DIFFERENT sorts of noise and 
different modes. Like with shoes (and earphones), one size does not fit 
all.

The logical response of a user is to do what you did -- try all the 
settings and find those that work best for your noise and operating 
conditions.

73, Jim K9YC


From nick at n6ol.us  Tue Jun 20 13:27:46 2017
From: nick at n6ol.us (Nicklas Johnson)
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2017 10:27:46 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Noise reduction Test
In-Reply-To: <ee5f0e25-b4fd-e030-4b65-d712778c7f35@audiosystemsgroup.com>
References: <1497973720914-7631913.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<1803e4d6-ecc2-b01e-0657-0df4658f4497@nk7z.net>
	<ee5f0e25-b4fd-e030-4b65-d712778c7f35@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Message-ID: <CA+ZptLk0k-HV2sCHPwy02OFwg_3Tp7TQrRVenO1WNy=ddxXhYg@mail.gmail.com>

Correct me if I'm wrong, but is it not the case that the NR on the K3 isn't
just a case of "more" as you change settings, but also a case of changing
the _type_ (or strategy) of NR?  Or am I thinking of NB?

   Nick

On 20 June 2017 at 10:20, Jim Brown <jim at audiosystemsgroup.com> wrote:

> On Tue,6/20/2017 10:09 AM, Dave Cole wrote:
>
>> It works very well!  I think there are too many
>> settings and some can be eliminated.  What are your thoughts?
>>
>
> Elecraft's NB and NR systems are designed so that they can be optimized
> for a wide variety of noise, and a wide variety of operating modes -- CW,
> SSB, AM, FM, and a dozen different digital modes. What's optimum for you
> may not be optimum for others with DIFFERENT sorts of noise and different
> modes. Like with shoes (and earphones), one size does not fit all.
>
> The logical response of a user is to do what you did -- try all the
> settings and find those that work best for your noise and operating
> conditions.
>
> 73, Jim K9YC
>
>
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From repair at willcoele.com  Tue Jun 20 14:29:17 2017
From: repair at willcoele.com (wa9fvp)
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2017 11:29:17 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Noise reduction Test
In-Reply-To: <3c787c27-661a-a4be-835d-baef0e297fbf@montac.com>
References: <1497973720914-7631913.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<3c787c27-661a-a4be-835d-baef0e297fbf@montac.com>
Message-ID: <001a01d2e9f3$18dbd2f0$4a9378d0$@willcoele.com>

Back in the early 90?s I worked with another engineer on a QST inspired project called ?The Hamblaster?.  It was a DSP based sound card that did, noise reduction.  I should probably say ?done there, did that?.   To test the Hamblaster noise reduction, I did a similar test at the audio level except I used a pseudorandom noise generator and an audio oscillator.   On January and October of 1992, I wrote articles in QEX magazine ?A Birth of a New DSP Board? and ?Developing Software for DSP?.
 
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From: Clay Autery [via Elecraft] [mailto:ml+s365791n7631916h12 at n2.nabble.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2017 12:07 PM
To: wa9fvp <repair at willcoele.com>
Subject: Re: K3S Noise reduction Test
 
To what productive/beneficial end? 

______________________ 
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From pubx1 at af2z.net  Tue Jun 20 14:51:53 2017
From: pubx1 at af2z.net (Drew AF2Z)
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2017 14:51:53 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Noise reduction Test
In-Reply-To: <1497973720914-7631913.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1497973720914-7631913.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <69395222-0b78-3915-82f0-13fcea59361f@af2z.net>

The only thing I would change in NR is to make it easier to scroll 
through the settings. Currently you can only go through the 32 settings 
sequentially with the VFO-B knob, from 1-1 through 8-4. It would be nice 
if the VFO-A knob could be employed to increment and decrement the first 
parameter.

For example: if you were on NR 1-3 you could scroll directly through 
2-3, 3-3, 4-3, etc using the VFO-A knob.

I don't know the details of NR but believe that all the n-1 settings are 
related to each other as a group; same goes for the n-2 settings, n-3, 
and n-4. So, it would make sense to be able to scroll through the "n" 
values when looking for the best noise reduction.

73,
Drew
AF2Z


On 06/20/17 11:48, wa9fvp wrote:
> I did a comprehensive test of the K3S noise reduction system and uploaded the
> same document to the Elecraft_K3 Yahoo group.
> 
> 
> Elecraft_K3_NoiseReduction.pdf
> <http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/file/n7631913/Elecraft_K3_NoiseReduction.pdf>
> 
> Here's what I concluded.
> 
> Settings Fn-1 provides the least noise reduction.  Fn-2 and Fn-3 noise
> levels are almost the same and one setting could be eliminated.  Fn-4
> provides the most noise reduction and having 3 settings, it would
> simplifying NR adjustments.  The NR delays that is, F1-n through F4-n, could
> be added to the configuration menu.  There are delay differences in the
> noise ripple but aurally, with a complex voice waveform, there?s no
> distinction between the delay settings.
> 
> 
> Don't get me wrong! I'm not that saying there's something wrong with the
> K3/K3S noise reduction. It works very well!  I think there are too many
> settings and some can be eliminated.  What are your thoughts?
> 
> 
> 
> -----
> Jack WA9FVP
> 
> Sent from my home-brew I5 Core PC
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From repair at willcoele.com  Tue Jun 20 14:53:52 2017
From: repair at willcoele.com (wa9fvp)
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2017 11:53:52 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Noise reduction Test
In-Reply-To: <CA+ZptLk0k-HV2sCHPwy02OFwg_3Tp7TQrRVenO1WNy=ddxXhYg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1497973720914-7631913.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<1803e4d6-ecc2-b01e-0657-0df4658f4497@nk7z.net>
	<ee5f0e25-b4fd-e030-4b65-d712778c7f35@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<CA+ZptLk0k-HV2sCHPwy02OFwg_3Tp7TQrRVenO1WNy=ddxXhYg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <001f01d2e9f6$8adafe00$a090fa00$@willcoele.com>

Believe it not, the idea of adding NR delay is not new.  Back in 91, when I
did the testing for the Hamblaster, we were experimenting with NR delays.
Even with the Hamblaster the delay function made very little difference.   I
only settled on two delay settings.  All of the others, there were about 50,
yield no change in the aural bandwidth.  The NR reduction level had the
greatest impact.
 
I used the DSP Noise Blanker setting on several occasions and found it more
affective on low level electrical noise.  The NR setting or the conventional
NB wasn't as affective. 
 
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From: Nicklas Johnson [via Elecraft]
[mailto:ml+s365791n7631919h5 at n2.nabble.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2017 12:30 PM
To: wa9fvp <repair at willcoele.com>
Subject: Re: K3S Noise reduction Test
 
Correct me if I'm wrong, but is it not the case that the NR on the K3 isn't 
just a case of "more" as you change settings, but also a case of changing 
the _type_ (or strategy) of NR?  Or am I thinking of NB? 

   Nick 

On 20 June 2017 at 10:20, Jim Brown <[hidden email]> wrote: 

> On Tue,6/20/2017 10:09 AM, Dave Cole wrote: 
> 
>> It works very well!  I think there are too many 
>> settings and some can be eliminated.  What are your thoughts? 
>> 
> 
> Elecraft's NB and NR systems are designed so that they can be optimized 
> for a wide variety of noise, and a wide variety of operating modes -- CW, 
> SSB, AM, FM, and a dozen different digital modes. What's optimum for you 
> may not be optimum for others with DIFFERENT sorts of noise and different 
> modes. Like with shoes (and earphones), one size does not fit all. 
> 
> The logical response of a user is to do what you did -- try all the 
> settings and find those that work best for your noise and operating 
> conditions. 
> 
> 73, Jim K9YC 
> 
> 
> ______________________________________________________________ 
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From repair at willcoele.com  Tue Jun 20 14:57:59 2017
From: repair at willcoele.com (wa9fvp)
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2017 11:57:59 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Noise reduction Test
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References: <1497973720914-7631913.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<1803e4d6-ecc2-b01e-0657-0df4658f4497@nk7z.net>
	<ee5f0e25-b4fd-e030-4b65-d712778c7f35@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Message-ID: <002401d2e9f7$1c2275a0$546760e0$@willcoele.com>

The K3/K3S Noise Reduction is disabled for FM and Data modes.
 
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<http://www.willcoele.com/radio_repair> 

The Radio Reclamation Center (815) 463-9365
 
From: Jim Brown-10 [via Elecraft]
[mailto:ml+s365791n7631918h74 at n2.nabble.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2017 12:22 PM
To: wa9fvp <repair at willcoele.com>
Subject: Re: K3S Noise reduction Test
 
On Tue,6/20/2017 10:09 AM, Dave Cole wrote: 
> It works very well!  I think there are too many 
> settings and some can be eliminated.  What are your thoughts? 

Elecraft's NB and NR systems are designed so that they can be optimized 
for a wide variety of noise, and a wide variety of operating modes -- 
CW, SSB, AM, FM, and a dozen different digital modes. What's optimum for 
you may not be optimum for others with DIFFERENT sorts of noise and 
different modes. Like with shoes (and earphones), one size does not fit 
all. 

The logical response of a user is to do what you did -- try all the 
settings and find those that work best for your noise and operating 
conditions. 

73, Jim K9YC 







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From repair at willcoele.com  Tue Jun 20 15:13:32 2017
From: repair at willcoele.com (wa9fvp)
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2017 12:13:32 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Noise reduction Test
In-Reply-To: <69395222-0b78-3915-82f0-13fcea59361f@af2z.net>
References: <1497973720914-7631913.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<69395222-0b78-3915-82f0-13fcea59361f@af2z.net>
Message-ID: <002b01d2e9f9$46e77c70$d4b67550$@willcoele.com>

If you look at my data, there?s very little noise level difference in the delay settings. The level or aggressiveness is what reduces the noise. Having two knobs to change the parameters is also a good idea.  I would prefer a finer adjustment in the level settings like 0 to 10
For people, like me, that like to tinker, the delays can be on a separate knob or in the configure menus.  For normal operation or during a contest, I find it too cumbersome to dial through all of the settings to find the best one.
 
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The Radio Reclamation Center (815) 463-9365
 
From: Drew AF2Z [via Elecraft] [mailto:ml+s365791n7631921h67 at n2.nabble.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2017 1:54 PM
To: wa9fvp <repair at willcoele.com>
Subject: Re: K3S Noise reduction Test
 
The only thing I would change in NR is to make it easier to scroll 
through the settings. Currently you can only go through the 32 settings 
sequentially with the VFO-B knob, from 1-1 through 8-4. It would be nice 
if the VFO-A knob could be employed to increment and decrement the first 
parameter. 

For example: if you were on NR 1-3 you could scroll directly through 
2-3, 3-3, 4-3, etc using the VFO-A knob. 

I don't know the details of NR but believe that all the n-1 settings are 
related to each other as a group; same goes for the n-2 settings, n-3, 
and n-4. So, it would make sense to be able to scroll through the "n" 
values when looking for the best noise reduction. 

73, 
Drew 
AF2Z 






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From fcady at montana.edu  Tue Jun 20 15:32:11 2017
From: fcady at montana.edu (Cady, Fred)
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2017 19:32:11 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] OT - DX Cluster Programs
In-Reply-To: <716f2f59-5b66-0942-012f-6f151993c77f@montac.com>
References: <59492ED7.303@roadrunner.com>,
	<716f2f59-5b66-0942-012f-6f151993c77f@montac.com>
Message-ID: <CY4PR02MB31417F55B602331B42BC01BAAFC50@CY4PR02MB3141.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>

You can also filter the spots in DXMAPS www.dxmaps.com<http://www.dxmaps.com>.

Fred KE7X



________________________________
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> on behalf of Clay Autery <cautery at montac.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2017 10:59 AM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT - DX Cluster Programs

Feed HRD Logbook with CC User.... read the docs and then set up the
filters with whatever level of granularity you require.

______________________
Clay Autery, KY5G

On 6/20/2017 9:19 AM, Roger D Johnson wrote:
> I've just gotten interested in 6 meters but only CW and SSB. Is there
> any cluster
> software that lets you filter out the digital spots on 50,276?
>
> Thanks, Roger
>
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From ghyoungman at gmail.com  Tue Jun 20 15:44:41 2017
From: ghyoungman at gmail.com (GRANT YOUNGMAN)
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2017 15:44:41 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Noise reduction Test
In-Reply-To: <002b01d2e9f9$46e77c70$d4b67550$@willcoele.com>
References: <1497973720914-7631913.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<69395222-0b78-3915-82f0-13fcea59361f@af2z.net>
	<002b01d2e9f9$46e77c70$d4b67550$@willcoele.com>
Message-ID: <D867ED3E-3917-48D1-BB0D-F576A420FE7A@gmail.com>

You might want to look at actual (S+N)/N data.  I?m not sure the visual ?test?  tells the full story, since these are complex waveforms. 

I did extensive measurement several years ago on the NR functions of the v1 and v2 firmware versions of the TenTec Orion (for some reason, noise reduction not being ?magic? surfaces everywhere as a contentious issue), and the measured data did not always match what things ?looked like?.   Not saying they don?t here, but it?s improvement in (S+N)/N that?s the end objective of NR regardless of what the screen shot looks like.

SpectrumLab can measure this directly.  http://www.qsl.net/dl4yhf/spectra1.html

> On Jun 20, 2017, at 3:13 PM, wa9fvp <repair at willcoele.com> wrote:
> 
> If you look at my data, there?s very little noise level difference in the delay settings. 

Grant NQ5T
K3 #2091, KX3 #8342




From hhoyt at mebtel.net  Tue Jun 20 14:01:46 2017
From: hhoyt at mebtel.net (Howard Hoyt)
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2017 14:01:46 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft]  Cooling on a KX2
Message-ID: <190a0b68-adb7-f7d7-080a-748a0b8a5d78@mebtel.net>

Hi Mike!,

You are of course correct, and there is no reason not to do so when 
operating fixed near AC power.  Usually the situation where people do 
not use fans is when they are operating portable and don't want to waste 
the power or have extra stuff to pack/set up.  This is the reason our 
heatsinks are optimized for convective cooling, but they can show 
extreme cooling gains when using forced cooling.

The reason we do not rate them with forced cooling is because the air 
temperature and speed are uncontrolled variables unlikely to be 
duplicated by users, whereas rating them for full convective cooling is 
much more conservative.

Cheers & 73,

Howie - WA4PSC
www.proaudioeng.com

From repair at willcoele.com  Tue Jun 20 16:34:23 2017
From: repair at willcoele.com (wa9fvp)
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2017 13:34:23 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Noise reduction Test
In-Reply-To: <D867ED3E-3917-48D1-BB0D-F576A420FE7A@gmail.com>
References: <1497973720914-7631913.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<69395222-0b78-3915-82f0-13fcea59361f@af2z.net>
	<002b01d2e9f9$46e77c70$d4b67550$@willcoele.com>
	<D867ED3E-3917-48D1-BB0D-F576A420FE7A@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <004101d2ea04$954e6f80$bfeb4e80$@willcoele.com>

As I mentioned in my document 
 
?Human speech contains sinusoidal elements that the LMS algorithm adapts to and creates a filter around the speech waveform.  The waveform constantly changes and to conform to the human speech patterns, the LMS filter must continuously change the filter?s shape.  Under these conditions, it is too difficult to characterize the K3/K3S NR adjustments.  
 
That?s why I used a single tone test.
 
Human speech contains sinusoidal along with non-sinusoidal elements.  TH, S and W are a few non-sinusoidal elements and are more analogous to white and pink noise.  By attacking these elements, an aggressive NR reduction scheme can rendered speech unintelligible.  Other languages have an abundance non-sinusoidal speech and the question is, how will a NR scheme treat it?  In the telecom engineering lab where I worked, to test eco-cancelers, we actually used recordings of other languages.  Using tools that I have at my disposal, my test was to simply characterize the K3/K3S NR system.  
 
Noise reduction is magic but the bottom line is, how much does it reduce noise and is it so aggressive that is makes human speech un-intelligible?  The most difficult part is to find the correct parameters that can satisfy both conditions.  
 
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From: Grant Youngman-2 [via Elecraft] [mailto:ml+s365791n7631926h22 at n2.nabble.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2017 2:46 PM
To: wa9fvp <repair at willcoele.com>
Subject: Re: K3S Noise reduction Test
 
You might want to look at actual (S+N)/N data.  I?m not sure the visual ?test?  tells the full story, since these are complex waveforms. 

I did extensive measurement several years ago on the NR functions of the v1 and v2 firmware versions of the TenTec Orion (for some reason, noise reduction not being ?magic? surfaces everywhere as a contentious issue), and the measured data did not always match what things ?looked like?.   Not saying they don?t here, but it?s improvement in (S+N)/N that?s the end objective of NR regardless of what the screen shot looks like. 

SpectrumLab can measure this directly.  http://www.qsl.net/dl4yhf/spectra1.html

> On Jun 20, 2017, at 3:13 PM, wa9fvp <[hidden email]> wrote: 
> 
> If you look at my data, there?s very little noise level difference in the delay settings. 

Grant NQ5T 
K3 #2091, KX3 #8342 







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From k6dgw at foothill.net  Tue Jun 20 16:36:52 2017
From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen)
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2017 13:36:52 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Cooling on a KX2
In-Reply-To: <190a0b68-adb7-f7d7-080a-748a0b8a5d78@mebtel.net>
References: <190a0b68-adb7-f7d7-080a-748a0b8a5d78@mebtel.net>
Message-ID: <fd08de3c-bee2-c904-bfa4-8d7f39e3a00f@foothill.net>

FWIW: To run RTTY with my K2/100, I mounted a computer muffin fan with a 
velcro tab to the heat sink over the PA's, blowing down. Heat sink 
stayed cool to the touch at 80 W.  Without the fan, it was too hot to 
rest your hand on it.  Understandable however that unless the fan is an 
integral part of the heat sink, a mfr can't really include these effects 
in their product specs.

73,

Fred ("Skip") K6DGW
Sparks NV USA
Washoe County DM09dn

On 6/20/2017 11:01 AM, Howard Hoyt wrote:
> Hi Mike!,
>
> You are of course correct, and there is no reason not to do so when 
> operating fixed near AC power.  Usually the situation where people do 
> not use fans is when they are operating portable and don't want to 
> waste the power or have extra stuff to pack/set up. This is the reason 
> our heatsinks are optimized for convective cooling, but they can show 
> extreme cooling gains when using forced cooling.
>
> The reason we do not rate them with forced cooling is because the air 
> temperature and speed are uncontrolled variables unlikely to be 
> duplicated by users, whereas rating them for full convective cooling 
> is much more conservative.
>
> Cheers & 73,
>
> Howie - WA4PSC
> www.proaudioeng.com


From k9ztv at socket.net  Tue Jun 20 16:55:23 2017
From: k9ztv at socket.net (KENT TRIMBLE)
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2017 15:55:23 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] A VALUABLE FIELD DAY ACCESSORY
Message-ID: <cc2a002a-09df-90f0-0299-da88be4e9cde@socket.net>

Headphones and Field Day have been yoked since time immemorial.  The 
K3's ability to output its audio into both headphones and speakers 
simultaneously has been a boon to those FD sites that encourage 
visitors.  It permits the operator/logger to use headphones while 
visitors can monitor the action through speakers.  The problem lies in 
the volume levels that each of the participants require (or don't 
require).  This is especially true when multiple transceivers are 
occupying the same tent/trailer/room, etc., and each have their own 
group of listeners.  Cacophony is not the goal here.

As veteran Field-Day clubs have discovered over the years, a valuable 
accessory is a multi-outlet headphone-amplifier with individual volume 
controls for each headphone.  For several years we have used a Behringer 
Amp800 
(https://www.amazon.com/Behringer-AMP800-Four-Channel-Headphone/dp/B000KU87SM) 
at our CW position.  Lately, we have also been using a Rolls HA43 
(http://www.rolls.com/product.php?pid=HA43) which is smaller and easier 
to operate.  Neither are bothered by stray RF.

I have no vested interest in either.  There are similar products under 
various brand-names.  The Behringer can be had for around $70 and the 
Rolls for $50 from numerous online vendors.  The Behringer only accepts 
1/4-inch phono plugs while the Rolls has dual input jacks to accept both 
1/4-inch phono and 1/8th-inch plugs.  This is another reason I like the 
Rolls as no "tweenies" (adapters) are needed.

Uses might include . . .

A neophyte with an unconnected laptop, wearing his own headphones, 
entering call signs/exchanges into a practice logging program without 
disturbing the main operator.  Or the next shift warming-up before 
assuming the operator's position.  Or someone merely wanting to 
seriously listen for a while without being bothered by the inevitable 
traipsing in-and-out of visitors, kibitzers, the lost, the lonely, the 
huddled masses yearning to be free.

Both of the above units accommodate up to four headphones.

73,

Kent Trimble, K9ZTV
Mid-MO Amateur Radio Club
Jefferson City, MO



From wunder at wunderwood.org  Tue Jun 20 17:10:45 2017
From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood)
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2017 14:10:45 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] A VALUABLE FIELD DAY ACCESSORY
In-Reply-To: <cc2a002a-09df-90f0-0299-da88be4e9cde@socket.net>
References: <cc2a002a-09df-90f0-0299-da88be4e9cde@socket.net>
Message-ID: <E74799C1-F5B1-4C8C-9FA2-5009A5D526FB@wunderwood.org>

The Behringer can?t drive speakers, it wants at least 47 Ohms and puts out 124 mW per channel. If you want to power speakers, I recommend the $10 amp I use, it is 15 W per channel and runs from 12 V. The price varies, it is $8.50 today.

https://smile.amazon.com/DROK-Component-Amplifier-TDA7297-15W/dp/B00C4MT274/ <https://smile.amazon.com/DROK-Component-Amplifier-TDA7297-15W/dp/B00C4MT274/>

I use it with my KX3. I have a simple splitter cable so the KX3 feeds my headphones and this amp.

https://observer.wunderwood.org/2017/03/04/speakers-for-my-elecraft-kx3/ <https://observer.wunderwood.org/2017/03/04/speakers-for-my-elecraft-kx3/>

Also, the Behringer HA400 is a 4-way headphone distribution amp for $25. Basically some op amps, volume controls, and jacks in a box. Other companies make pretty much the same thing for the same price.

wunder
K6WRU
Walter Underwood
CM87wj
http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog)

> On Jun 20, 2017, at 1:55 PM, KENT TRIMBLE <k9ztv at socket.net> wrote:
> 
> Headphones and Field Day have been yoked since time immemorial.  The K3's ability to output its audio into both headphones and speakers simultaneously has been a boon to those FD sites that encourage visitors.  It permits the operator/logger to use headphones while visitors can monitor the action through speakers.  The problem lies in the volume levels that each of the participants require (or don't require).  This is especially true when multiple transceivers are occupying the same tent/trailer/room, etc., and each have their own group of listeners.  Cacophony is not the goal here.
> 
> As veteran Field-Day clubs have discovered over the years, a valuable accessory is a multi-outlet headphone-amplifier with individual volume controls for each headphone.  For several years we have used a Behringer Amp800 (https://www.amazon.com/Behringer-AMP800-Four-Channel-Headphone/dp/B000KU87SM) at our CW position.  Lately, we have also been using a Rolls HA43 (http://www.rolls.com/product.php?pid=HA43) which is smaller and easier to operate.  Neither are bothered by stray RF.
> 
> I have no vested interest in either.  There are similar products under various brand-names.  The Behringer can be had for around $70 and the Rolls for $50 from numerous online vendors.  The Behringer only accepts 1/4-inch phono plugs while the Rolls has dual input jacks to accept both 1/4-inch phono and 1/8th-inch plugs.  This is another reason I like the Rolls as no "tweenies" (adapters) are needed.
> 
> Uses might include . . .
> 
> A neophyte with an unconnected laptop, wearing his own headphones, entering call signs/exchanges into a practice logging program without disturbing the main operator.  Or the next shift warming-up before assuming the operator's position.  Or someone merely wanting to seriously listen for a while without being bothered by the inevitable traipsing in-and-out of visitors, kibitzers, the lost, the lonely, the huddled masses yearning to be free.
> 
> Both of the above units accommodate up to four headphones.
> 
> 73,
> 
> Kent Trimble, K9ZTV
> Mid-MO Amateur Radio Club
> Jefferson City, MO
> 
> 
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From k9ztv at socket.net  Tue Jun 20 17:18:08 2017
From: k9ztv at socket.net (KENT TRIMBLE)
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2017 16:18:08 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] A VALUABLE FIELD DAY ACCESSORY
In-Reply-To: <E74799C1-F5B1-4C8C-9FA2-5009A5D526FB@wunderwood.org>
References: <cc2a002a-09df-90f0-0299-da88be4e9cde@socket.net>
	<E74799C1-F5B1-4C8C-9FA2-5009A5D526FB@wunderwood.org>
Message-ID: <c383962d-7ce2-99f7-309b-3fed3294291e@socket.net>

Walter . . .

That's why it's called a "headphone amplifier."

Kent



On 6/20/2017 4:10 PM, Walter Underwood wrote:
> The Behringer can?t drive speakers


From pubx1 at af2z.net  Tue Jun 20 17:28:22 2017
From: pubx1 at af2z.net (Drew AF2Z)
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2017 17:28:22 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Noise reduction Test
In-Reply-To: <002b01d2e9f9$46e77c70$d4b67550$@willcoele.com>
References: <1497973720914-7631913.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<69395222-0b78-3915-82f0-13fcea59361f@af2z.net>
	<002b01d2e9f9$46e77c70$d4b67550$@willcoele.com>
Message-ID: <de1feeee-d7bd-b5d2-b65c-e6ef79760d38@af2z.net>

Even if we have to slog through all the NR settings sequentially I'd 
still prefer to keep them all, no matter how similar they appear on the 
scope. Having used the K3 for a number of years I have at times noticed 
an audible difference between them when copying weak CW signals. Can't 
really characterize it further than that, but they do make a difference.

73,
Drew
AF2Z


On 06/20/17 15:13, wa9fvp wrote:
> If you look at my data, there?s very little noise level difference in the delay settings. The level or aggressiveness is what reduces the noise. Having two knobs to change the parameters is also a good idea.  I would prefer a finer adjustment in the level settings like 0 to 10
> For people, like me, that like to tinker, the delays can be on a separate knob or in the configure menus.  For normal operation or during a contest, I find it too cumbersome to dial through all of the settings to find the best one.
>   
> 


From garyk9gs at wi.rr.com  Tue Jun 20 17:31:33 2017
From: garyk9gs at wi.rr.com (garyk9gs)
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2017 16:31:33 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] A VALUABLE FIELD DAY ACCESSORY
Message-ID: <50.19.03935.53499495@dnvrco-omsmta01>

All well and good..but FD is in 4 days.


73-Gary K9GS?
-------- Original message --------From: KENT TRIMBLE <k9ztv at socket.net> Date: 6/20/17  3:55 PM  (GMT-06:00) To: Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> Subject: [Elecraft] A VALUABLE FIELD DAY ACCESSORY 
Headphones and Field Day have been yoked since time immemorial.? The 
K3's ability to output its audio into both headphones and speakers 
simultaneously has been a boon to those FD sites that encourage 
visitors.? It permits the operator/logger to use headphones while 
visitors can monitor the action through speakers.? The problem lies in 
the volume levels that each of the participants require (or don't 
require).? This is especially true when multiple transceivers are 
occupying the same tent/trailer/room, etc., and each have their own 
group of listeners.? Cacophony is not the goal here.

As veteran Field-Day clubs have discovered over the years, a valuable 
accessory is a multi-outlet headphone-amplifier with individual volume 
controls for each headphone.? For several years we have used a Behringer 
Amp800 
(https://www.amazon.com/Behringer-AMP800-Four-Channel-Headphone/dp/B000KU87SM) 
at our CW position.? Lately, we have also been using a Rolls HA43 
(http://www.rolls.com/product.php?pid=HA43) which is smaller and easier 
to operate.? Neither are bothered by stray RF.

I have no vested interest in either.? There are similar products under 
various brand-names.? The Behringer can be had for around $70 and the 
Rolls for $50 from numerous online vendors.? The Behringer only accepts 
1/4-inch phono plugs while the Rolls has dual input jacks to accept both 
1/4-inch phono and 1/8th-inch plugs.? This is another reason I like the 
Rolls as no "tweenies" (adapters) are needed.

Uses might include . . .

A neophyte with an unconnected laptop, wearing his own headphones, 
entering call signs/exchanges into a practice logging program without 
disturbing the main operator.? Or the next shift warming-up before 
assuming the operator's position.? Or someone merely wanting to 
seriously listen for a while without being bothered by the inevitable 
traipsing in-and-out of visitors, kibitzers, the lost, the lonely, the 
huddled masses yearning to be free.

Both of the above units accommodate up to four headphones.

73,

Kent Trimble, K9ZTV
Mid-MO Amateur Radio Club
Jefferson City, MO


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From wunder at wunderwood.org  Tue Jun 20 17:32:05 2017
From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood)
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2017 14:32:05 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] A VALUABLE FIELD DAY ACCESSORY
In-Reply-To: <c383962d-7ce2-99f7-309b-3fed3294291e@socket.net>
References: <cc2a002a-09df-90f0-0299-da88be4e9cde@socket.net>
	<E74799C1-F5B1-4C8C-9FA2-5009A5D526FB@wunderwood.org>
	<c383962d-7ce2-99f7-309b-3fed3294291e@socket.net>
Message-ID: <FBFDE46C-9D54-4264-B07F-4BCC766A8972@wunderwood.org>

Your post talks about how handy it is to drive speakers and headphones. The K3 can do that, but not all radios can. If you want speakers and headphones, you need more than a headphone distribution amp.

I wasn?t criticizing, just trying to help. The little DROK amp is quite handy.

wunder
K6WRU
Walter Underwood
CM87wj
http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog)

> On Jun 20, 2017, at 2:18 PM, KENT TRIMBLE <k9ztv at socket.net> wrote:
> 
> Walter . . .
> 
> That's why it's called a "headphone amplifier."
> 
> Kent
> 
> 
> 
> On 6/20/2017 4:10 PM, Walter Underwood wrote:
>> The Behringer can?t drive speakers
> 


From raysills3 at verizon.net  Tue Jun 20 17:44:54 2017
From: raysills3 at verizon.net (Raymond Sills)
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2017 17:44:54 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] A VALUABLE FIELD DAY ACCESSORY
In-Reply-To: <50.19.03935.53499495@dnvrco-omsmta01>
References: <50.19.03935.53499495@dnvrco-omsmta01>
Message-ID: <15cc7772872-1a66-21daa@webprd-m60.mail.aol.com>

Those types of headphone distribution amps can often be found at music stores, like Guitar Center, Sam Ash, etc.  They might also have some compact amps with speakers, too.


73 de Ray
K2ULR
KX3 #211



From dave at nk7z.net  Tue Jun 20 18:21:30 2017
From: dave at nk7z.net (Dave Cole)
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2017 15:21:30 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Noise reduction Test
In-Reply-To: <001f01d2e9f6$8adafe00$a090fa00$@willcoele.com>
References: <1497973720914-7631913.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<1803e4d6-ecc2-b01e-0657-0df4658f4497@nk7z.net>
	<ee5f0e25-b4fd-e030-4b65-d712778c7f35@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<CA+ZptLk0k-HV2sCHPwy02OFwg_3Tp7TQrRVenO1WNy=ddxXhYg@mail.gmail.com>
	<001f01d2e9f6$8adafe00$a090fa00$@willcoele.com>
Message-ID: <c5cc2b91-8791-5edf-1779-191193398331@nk7z.net>

What would be really nice would be to have a separate antenna designed 
for noise reception, and the ability to phase shift it from the normal 
antenna, allowing for noise cancellation...

73s and thanks,
Dave
NK7Z
http://www.nk7z.net

On 06/20/2017 11:53 AM, wa9fvp wrote:
> Believe it not, the idea of adding NR delay is not new.  Back in 91, when I
> did the testing for the Hamblaster, we were experimenting with NR delays.
> Even with the Hamblaster the delay function made very little difference.   I
> only settled on two delay settings.  All of the others, there were about 50,
> yield no change in the aural bandwidth.  The NR reduction level had the
> greatest impact.
>
> I used the DSP Noise Blanker setting on several occasions and found it more
> affective on low level electrical noise.  The NR setting or the conventional
> NB wasn't as affective.
>
>

From ghyoungman at gmail.com  Tue Jun 20 18:21:37 2017
From: ghyoungman at gmail.com (GRANT YOUNGMAN)
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2017 18:21:37 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Noise reduction Test
In-Reply-To: <004101d2ea04$954e6f80$bfeb4e80$@willcoele.com>
References: <1497973720914-7631913.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<69395222-0b78-3915-82f0-13fcea59361f@af2z.net>
	<002b01d2e9f9$46e77c70$d4b67550$@willcoele.com>
	<D867ED3E-3917-48D1-BB0D-F576A420FE7A@gmail.com>
	<004101d2ea04$954e6f80$bfeb4e80$@willcoele.com>
Message-ID: <5C26F748-8460-42EE-B2FD-D44765C36448@gmail.com>

My reference to ?complex waveforms? was the underlying noise waveform, not the signal of interest, which for this type of test would normally be a single tone.

> On Jun 20, 2017, at 4:34 PM, wa9fvp <repair at willcoele.com> wrote:
> 
> As I mentioned in my document 
> 
> ?Human speech contains sinusoidal elements that the LMS algorithm adapts to and creates a filter around the speech waveform.  The waveform constantly changes and to conform to the human speech patterns, the LMS filter must continuously change the filter?s shape.  Under these conditions, it is too difficult to characterize the K3/K3S NR adjustments.  
> 
> That?s why I used a single tone test.
> 
> 

Grant NQ5T
K3 #2091, KX3 #8342




From cautery at montac.com  Tue Jun 20 19:05:05 2017
From: cautery at montac.com (Clay Autery)
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2017 18:05:05 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] A VALUABLE FIELD DAY ACCESSORY
In-Reply-To: <50.19.03935.53499495@dnvrco-omsmta01>
References: <50.19.03935.53499495@dnvrco-omsmta01>
Message-ID: <098b35d5-7c85-b0ac-c351-8141facad305@montac.com>

Guessing there's a really good chance that we'll have one in 2018, too. 
Just add the tip to your list for next year prep....

Of course, you can likely get it to you from Amazon by Saturday... 
Amazon Prime is awesome...

73,

______________________
Clay Autery, KY5G

On 6/20/2017 4:31 PM, garyk9gs wrote:
> All well and good..but FD is in 4 days.
>
>
> 73-Gary K9GS 
>


From jackbrindle at me.com  Tue Jun 20 19:26:13 2017
From: jackbrindle at me.com (Jack Brindle)
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2017 16:26:13 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] A VALUABLE FIELD DAY ACCESSORY
In-Reply-To: <15cc7772872-1a66-21daa@webprd-m60.mail.aol.com>
References: <50.19.03935.53499495@dnvrco-omsmta01>
	<15cc7772872-1a66-21daa@webprd-m60.mail.aol.com>
Message-ID: <647EEAB9-E8DA-421A-878B-B9B2B0C80E7E@me.com>

Actually, thanks. I have been looking for something like this for a while, and since they are available locally, it might be a good trip on my way to the FD site.

Does anyone make a distribution / intercom box that allows the two ops to talk between themselves without removing their headphones? One with a switch to select
one of the microphones to go to the rig might be an interesting box / project as well.

- Jack, W6FB


> On Jun 20, 2017, at 2:44 PM, Raymond Sills <raysills3 at verizon.net> wrote:
> 
> Those types of headphone distribution amps can often be found at music stores, like Guitar Center, Sam Ash, etc.  They might also have some compact amps with speakers, too.
> 
> 
> 73 de Ray
> K2ULR
> KX3 #211
> 
> 
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From wunder at wunderwood.org  Tue Jun 20 19:31:20 2017
From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood)
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2017 16:31:20 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] A VALUABLE FIELD DAY ACCESSORY
In-Reply-To: <647EEAB9-E8DA-421A-878B-B9B2B0C80E7E@me.com>
References: <50.19.03935.53499495@dnvrco-omsmta01>
	<15cc7772872-1a66-21daa@webprd-m60.mail.aol.com>
	<647EEAB9-E8DA-421A-878B-B9B2B0C80E7E@me.com>
Message-ID: <49163D79-E96D-4CB0-AA23-6E18BB3D9D62@wunderwood.org>

If you find one, let me know. This could be useful for em-comm deployments.

wunder
K6WRU
Walter Underwood
CM87wj
http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog)

> On Jun 20, 2017, at 4:26 PM, Jack Brindle <jackbrindle at me.com> wrote:
> 
> Actually, thanks. I have been looking for something like this for a while, and since they are available locally, it might be a good trip on my way to the FD site.
> 
> Does anyone make a distribution / intercom box that allows the two ops to talk between themselves without removing their headphones? One with a switch to select
> one of the microphones to go to the rig might be an interesting box / project as well.
> 
> - Jack, W6FB
> 
> 
>> On Jun 20, 2017, at 2:44 PM, Raymond Sills <raysills3 at verizon.net> wrote:
>> 
>> Those types of headphone distribution amps can often be found at music stores, like Guitar Center, Sam Ash, etc.  They might also have some compact amps with speakers, too.
>> 
>> 
>> 73 de Ray
>> K2ULR
>> KX3 #211
>> 
>> 
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From stevesgt at effable.com  Tue Jun 20 19:35:49 2017
From: stevesgt at effable.com (Steve Sergeant)
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2017 16:35:49 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] A VALUABLE FIELD DAY ACCESSORY
In-Reply-To: <49163D79-E96D-4CB0-AA23-6E18BB3D9D62@wunderwood.org>
References: <50.19.03935.53499495@dnvrco-omsmta01>
	<15cc7772872-1a66-21daa@webprd-m60.mail.aol.com>
	<647EEAB9-E8DA-421A-878B-B9B2B0C80E7E@me.com>
	<49163D79-E96D-4CB0-AA23-6E18BB3D9D62@wunderwood.org>
Message-ID: <3ae7454e-7459-368e-0d9a-0cf7cad706aa@effable.com>

On 6/20/17 4:31 PM, Walter Underwood wrote:
> If you find one, let me know. This could be useful for em-comm deployments.
> 
>> On Jun 20, 2017, at 4:26 PM, Jack Brindle <jackbrindle at me.com> wrote:
>> Does anyone make a distribution / intercom box that allows the two ops to talk between themselves without removing their headphones? One with a switch to select
>> one of the microphones to go to the rig might be an interesting box / project as well.

I designed a many-to-many audio router for the Behemoth [
http://www.computerhistory.org/revolution/mobile-computing/18/345/1703 ]
that would do what you're requesting. Alas I no longer have the design
files for the PC boards.

From lists at subich.com  Tue Jun 20 19:45:05 2017
From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV)
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2017 19:45:05 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] A VALUABLE FIELD DAY ACCESSORY
In-Reply-To: <3ae7454e-7459-368e-0d9a-0cf7cad706aa@effable.com>
References: <50.19.03935.53499495@dnvrco-omsmta01>
	<15cc7772872-1a66-21daa@webprd-m60.mail.aol.com>
	<647EEAB9-E8DA-421A-878B-B9B2B0C80E7E@me.com>
	<49163D79-E96D-4CB0-AA23-6E18BB3D9D62@wunderwood.org>
	<3ae7454e-7459-368e-0d9a-0cf7cad706aa@effable.com>
Message-ID: <9998375c-be74-c325-9423-9b872f4a4218@subich.com>


I believe there was a design for a device of that nature in a recent
(last 10 years) ARRL Handbook.  I don't have time to search the library
just now.

73,

    ... Joe, W4TV


On 6/20/2017 7:35 PM, Steve Sergeant wrote:
> On 6/20/17 4:31 PM, Walter Underwood wrote:
>> If you find one, let me know. This could be useful for em-comm deployments.
>>
>>> On Jun 20, 2017, at 4:26 PM, Jack Brindle <jackbrindle at me.com> wrote:
>>> Does anyone make a distribution / intercom box that allows the two ops to talk between themselves without removing their headphones? One with a switch to select
>>> one of the microphones to go to the rig might be an interesting box / project as well.
> 
> I designed a many-to-many audio router for the Behemoth [
> http://www.computerhistory.org/revolution/mobile-computing/18/345/1703 ]
> that would do what you're requesting. Alas I no longer have the design
> files for the PC boards.
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From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Tue Jun 20 19:51:45 2017
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2017 19:51:45 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Noise reduction Test
In-Reply-To: <c5cc2b91-8791-5edf-1779-191193398331@nk7z.net>
References: <1497973720914-7631913.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<1803e4d6-ecc2-b01e-0657-0df4658f4497@nk7z.net>
	<ee5f0e25-b4fd-e030-4b65-d712778c7f35@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<CA+ZptLk0k-HV2sCHPwy02OFwg_3Tp7TQrRVenO1WNy=ddxXhYg@mail.gmail.com>
	<001f01d2e9f6$8adafe00$a090fa00$@willcoele.com>
	<c5cc2b91-8791-5edf-1779-191193398331@nk7z.net>
Message-ID: <79ddbe76-940e-68b4-b064-1bd12cc5ce9c@embarqmail.com>

Dave,

The K3S has a receive antenna connection so you can do exactly that. 
The low noise antenna is up to the operator to provide.
If you have the KRX3 option installed, diversity reception may also help.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 6/20/2017 6:21 PM, Dave Cole wrote:
> What would be really nice would be to have a separate antenna designed 
> for noise reception, and the ability to phase shift it from the normal 
> antenna, allowing for noise cancellation...
> 

From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Tue Jun 20 19:54:59 2017
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2017 18:54:59 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] A VALUABLE FIELD DAY ACCESSORY
In-Reply-To: <098b35d5-7c85-b0ac-c351-8141facad305@montac.com>
References: <50.19.03935.53499495@dnvrco-omsmta01>
	<098b35d5-7c85-b0ac-c351-8141facad305@montac.com>
Message-ID: <0fb73696-f67c-fe25-0331-84f945d4f1ce@blomand.net>

Just order you needs from Amazon today or tomorrow and have it by 
Friday.   I ordered my Koss SB 40 headset/mike on Friday and it was 
delivered Monday.  No expedited shipping either.

73

Bob, K4TAX


On 6/20/2017 6:05 PM, Clay Autery wrote:
> Guessing there's a really good chance that we'll have one in 2018, too.
> Just add the tip to your list for next year prep....
>
> Of course, you can likely get it to you from Amazon by Saturday...
> Amazon Prime is awesome...
>
> 73,
>
> ______________________
> Clay Autery, KY5G
>
> On 6/20/2017 4:31 PM, garyk9gs wrote:
>> All well and good..but FD is in 4 days.
>>
>>
>> 73-Gary K9GS
>>
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From w2apf at myfairpoint.net  Tue Jun 20 20:09:19 2017
From: w2apf at myfairpoint.net (Thaire Bryant)
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2017 20:09:19 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3/KPA100 issue
Message-ID: <75230AB1-B81D-4F34-9BD0-1F1A55099ED0@myfairpoint.net>

Suddenly my KX3 will not switch between antenna 1 & 2 nor can I switch antennas on the KPA100.  Both are stuck on "Ant 1".  I rechecked settings in menu and reconnected the two and no change.  Any ideas?

Thanks,
Thaire. W2APF

From dick at elecraft.com  Tue Jun 20 20:12:14 2017
From: dick at elecraft.com (Dick Dievendorff)
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2017 17:12:14 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3/KPA100 issue
In-Reply-To: <75230AB1-B81D-4F34-9BD0-1F1A55099ED0@myfairpoint.net>
References: <75230AB1-B81D-4F34-9BD0-1F1A55099ED0@myfairpoint.net>
Message-ID: <00f001d2ea23$097e1ae0$1c7a50a0$@elecraft.com>

Could you have disabled ANT2 for the band you're on?

This is a KXPA100 Utility configuration choice.

Dick, K6KR


-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net
[mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Thaire Bryant
Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2017 17:09
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3/KPA100 issue

Suddenly my KX3 will not switch between antenna 1 & 2 nor can I switch
antennas on the KPA100.  Both are stuck on "Ant 1".  I rechecked settings in
menu and reconnected the two and no change.  Any ideas?

Thanks,
Thaire. W2APF
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From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Tue Jun 20 20:20:11 2017
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2017 20:20:11 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3/KPA100 issue
In-Reply-To: <75230AB1-B81D-4F34-9BD0-1F1A55099ED0@myfairpoint.net>
References: <75230AB1-B81D-4F34-9BD0-1F1A55099ED0@myfairpoint.net>
Message-ID: <a4b2ba6a-4763-d8cf-2abc-c64708dd0abd@embarqmail.com>

Thaire,

The basic KX3 does not have a 2nd antenna.  That is only possible with 
the KXPA100 with the KXAT100 ATU installed.

Check the KX3 menu to be certain that PA MODE is set to ON, and make 
certain you are doing a HOLD of the ANT button when attempting to switch 
antennas.  See page 24 of the KXPA100 manual.

73,
Don W3FPR


On 6/20/2017 8:09 PM, Thaire Bryant wrote:
> Suddenly my KX3 will not switch between antenna 1 & 2 nor can I switch antennas on the KPA100.  Both are stuck on "Ant 1".  I rechecked settings in menu and reconnected the two and no change.  Any ideas?
> 

From wh6s at outlook.com  Tue Jun 20 20:33:00 2017
From: wh6s at outlook.com (Richard Nelson)
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2017 00:33:00 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 and KXPA100 Amp for Sale
Message-ID: <MWHPR03MB2479797E772CA94B46491FBB86DA0@MWHPR03MB2479.namprd03.prod.outlook.com>

For sale Elecraft KX3-F and KXPA100 Amplifier Combo plus accessories

  Inclued
KX3-F        KX3 160-6m Transceiver, Factory Assembled Serial #9343
KX3RET-F     KX3 Retainer PCB in KX3-F
KXBC3        Internal NiMH Charger/Real Time-Clock
KXFL3-F      Dual-Passband Roofing Filter
KXPA100-AT-F 100w Ext Amp with 150w Antenna Tuner Factory Assembled
SS30DV       Sw Pwr Supply 14.1V, 25A
KXPACBL      KX3 to KXPA100 Integrated IO Cable
Kx32 Ultimate Elecraft? KX3 heatsink
Elecraft KX3 Desk Stand by Nifty Accessories

Signalink USB with cables for the KX3 (No extra cost)

2512.00 Radio, 100w Amp and accessores
 100.00 Heatsink
  25.00 Nifty Stand
2637.00 New cost
2000.00 Will sell as a package deal only. You pay shipping of your choice.
        Will be shipped in original boxes from the factory.
        Payment by Cashiers check. Personal checks ok but will wait for check

        to clear bank. Will not entertain trades.

I receive the radio 12 Dec 2016.
The radio and amp are still under warranty.

Richard Nelson
WH6S
808-651-4863
email wh6s at outlook.com


From rv6amark at yahoo.com  Tue Jun 20 20:33:40 2017
From: rv6amark at yahoo.com (Mark Petiford)
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2017 00:33:40 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] A VALUABLE FIELD DAY ACCESSORY
In-Reply-To: <49163D79-E96D-4CB0-AA23-6E18BB3D9D62@wunderwood.org>
References: <50.19.03935.53499495@dnvrco-omsmta01>
	<15cc7772872-1a66-21daa@webprd-m60.mail.aol.com>
	<647EEAB9-E8DA-421A-878B-B9B2B0C80E7E@me.com>
	<49163D79-E96D-4CB0-AA23-6E18BB3D9D62@wunderwood.org>
Message-ID: <1207690460.51906.1498005220330@mail.yahoo.com>

RE:? "If you find one, let me know"

Walter,

There are portable aircraft intercoms available from aviation suppliers like Sporty's Pilot Shop, and possibly from Amazon, too.? They allow the passengers to talk to each other, and listen to the radio communications if they desire. ? The pilot can listen to only radio communications, or he can listen to the passenger chit-chat if he wants, with communications audio from the radio overriding that.? The pilot's mike goes to the radio for communications purposes if he pushes the PTT switch, or to the passengers chit-chat if he doesn't.

The biggest problem with these intercoms is that they are designed for carbon microphones and higher impedance headphones than we normally use.? I have seen circuits for converting stereo headphones and dynamic/electret microphones to work in aircraft, but not so much in the opposite direction.? That won't be a problem for the resourceful hams, but I suspect they won't work right out of the box.

Just a thought.

Mark
KE6BB

From ae5x at juno.com  Tue Jun 20 20:39:00 2017
From: ae5x at juno.com (John AE5X)
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2017 00:39:00 GMT
Subject: [Elecraft]  Cooling on a KX2
Message-ID: <20170620.193900.16953.0@webmail11.vgs.untd.com>

Sounds like a great opportunity for an Elecraft-branded Stirling engine turning a small fan:

https://youtu.be/Qshc2yWKq2A

John AE5X
http://ae5x.blogspot.com/
 

 Usually the situation where people do 
> not use fans is when they are operating portable and don't want to 
> waste the power or have extra stuff to pack/set up
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From ch at murgatroid.com  Tue Jun 20 21:19:48 2017
From: ch at murgatroid.com (Christopher Hoover)
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2017 09:19:48 +0800
Subject: [Elecraft] A VALUABLE FIELD DAY ACCESSORY
In-Reply-To: <cc2a002a-09df-90f0-0299-da88be4e9cde@socket.net>
References: <cc2a002a-09df-90f0-0299-da88be4e9cde@socket.net>
Message-ID: <CACw0PsY5pUs5C39XEqgT3Hnpcwde3V18bgD6izU1grX1T5ECvw@mail.gmail.com>

I just ordered the Amp800's smaller cousin, Behringer Microamp Ha400
Ultra-Compact 4-Channel Stereo Headphone Amplifier
<https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000KIPT30/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1>,
for exactly this purpose.


On Wed, Jun 21, 2017 at 4:55 AM, KENT TRIMBLE <k9ztv at socket.net> wrote:

> Headphones and Field Day have been yoked since time immemorial.  The K3's
> ability to output its audio into both headphones and speakers
> simultaneously has been a boon to those FD sites that encourage visitors.
> It permits the operator/logger to use headphones while visitors can monitor
> the action through speakers.  The problem lies in the volume levels that
> each of the participants require (or don't require).  This is especially
> true when multiple transceivers are occupying the same tent/trailer/room,
> etc., and each have their own group of listeners.  Cacophony is not the
> goal here.
>
> As veteran Field-Day clubs have discovered over the years, a valuable
> accessory is a multi-outlet headphone-amplifier with individual volume
> controls for each headphone.  For several years we have used a Behringer
> Amp800 (https://www.amazon.com/Behringer-AMP800-Four-Channel-Headph
> one/dp/B000KU87SM) at our CW position.  Lately, we have also been using a
> Rolls HA43 (http://www.rolls.com/product.php?pid=HA43) which is smaller
> and easier to operate.  Neither are bothered by stray RF.
>
> I have no vested interest in either.  There are similar products under
> various brand-names.  The Behringer can be had for around $70 and the Rolls
> for $50 from numerous online vendors.  The Behringer only accepts 1/4-inch
> phono plugs while the Rolls has dual input jacks to accept both 1/4-inch
> phono and 1/8th-inch plugs.  This is another reason I like the Rolls as no
> "tweenies" (adapters) are needed.
>
> Uses might include . . .
>
> A neophyte with an unconnected laptop, wearing his own headphones,
> entering call signs/exchanges into a practice logging program without
> disturbing the main operator.  Or the next shift warming-up before assuming
> the operator's position.  Or someone merely wanting to seriously listen for
> a while without being bothered by the inevitable traipsing in-and-out of
> visitors, kibitzers, the lost, the lonely, the huddled masses yearning to
> be free.
>
> Both of the above units accommodate up to four headphones.
>
> 73,
>
> Kent Trimble, K9ZTV
> Mid-MO Amateur Radio Club
> Jefferson City, MO
>
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From john at kk9a.com  Tue Jun 20 21:39:38 2017
From: john at kk9a.com (john at kk9a.com)
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2017 21:39:38 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft]  K3S Noise reduction Test
Message-ID: <009001d2ea2f$3efc99b0$bcf5cd10$@com>

But that is not what NK7Z is suggesting.  He suggested a built in noise
canceller which would be awesome! 

John KK9A

Don Wilhelm wrote
Tue Jun 20 19:51:45 EDT 2017

Dave,

The K3S has a receive antenna connection so you can do exactly that. 
The low noise antenna is up to the operator to provide.
If you have the KRX3 option installed, diversity reception may also help.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 6/20/2017 6:21 PM, Dave Cole wrote:
> What would be really nice would be to have a separate antenna designed 
> for noise reception, and the ability to phase shift it from the normal 
> antenna, allowing for noise cancellation...


From alsopb at comcast.net  Tue Jun 20 22:14:17 2017
From: alsopb at comcast.net (brian)
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2017 02:14:17 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Noise reduction Test
In-Reply-To: <009001d2ea2f$3efc99b0$bcf5cd10$@com>
References: <009001d2ea2f$3efc99b0$bcf5cd10$@com>
Message-ID: <5949D679.5030604@comcast.net>

Had an ANC noise canceller like this. MFJ makes one too.  Same idea. 
Collins also had such a thing for their mobile way back when using a 
separate whip on the back of the vehicle.

They work well but only for one signal source at a time.  If you have 
two noise sources located differently, you can cancel only one.

There was also the nastiness of blowing up the inputs of these units 
when operating high power.  Some way of isolating the circuitry or 
protecting it from transmitted RF was needed.  The desire for QSK may 
make this a little difficult.

A conventional noise limiter would still be needed to handle the left 
over sources.

73 de Brian/K3KO



On 6/21/2017 1:39 AM, john at kk9a.com wrote:
> But that is not what NK7Z is suggesting.  He suggested a built in noise
> canceller which would be awesome!
>
> John KK9A
>
> Don Wilhelm wrote
> Tue Jun 20 19:51:45 EDT 2017
>
> Dave,
>
> The K3S has a receive antenna connection so you can do exactly that.
> The low noise antenna is up to the operator to provide.
> If you have the KRX3 option installed, diversity reception may also help.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 6/20/2017 6:21 PM, Dave Cole wrote:
>> What would be really nice would be to have a separate antenna designed
>> for noise reception, and the ability to phase shift it from the normal
>> antenna, allowing for noise cancellation...
>
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From nr4c at widomaker.com  Tue Jun 20 22:20:20 2017
From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c)
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2017 22:20:20 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Noise reduction Test
In-Reply-To: <69395222-0b78-3915-82f0-13fcea59361f@af2z.net>
References: <1497973720914-7631913.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<69395222-0b78-3915-82f0-13fcea59361f@af2z.net>
Message-ID: <30953FF5-576F-4176-B483-BD0FD4EE01E8@widomaker.com>

But that knob varies a whole other range of NR. How hard is it to turn one knob 32 clicks?

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill


> On Jun 20, 2017, at 2:51 PM, Drew AF2Z <pubx1 at af2z.net> wrote:
> 
> The only thing I would change in NR is to make it easier to scroll through the settings. Currently you can only go through the 32 settings sequentially with the VFO-B knob, from 1-1 through 8-4. It would be nice if the VFO-A knob could be employed to increment and decrement the first parameter.
> 
> For example: if you were on NR 1-3 you could scroll directly through 2-3, 3-3, 4-3, etc using the VFO-A knob.
> 
> I don't know the details of NR but believe that all the n-1 settings are related to each other as a group; same goes for the n-2 settings, n-3, and n-4. So, it would make sense to be able to scroll through the "n" values when looking for the best noise reduction.
> 
> 73,
> Drew
> AF2Z
> 
> 
>> On 06/20/17 11:48, wa9fvp wrote:
>> I did a comprehensive test of the K3S noise reduction system and uploaded the
>> same document to the Elecraft_K3 Yahoo group.
>> Elecraft_K3_NoiseReduction.pdf
>> <http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/file/n7631913/Elecraft_K3_NoiseReduction.pdf>
>> Here's what I concluded.
>> Settings Fn-1 provides the least noise reduction.  Fn-2 and Fn-3 noise
>> levels are almost the same and one setting could be eliminated.  Fn-4
>> provides the most noise reduction and having 3 settings, it would
>> simplifying NR adjustments.  The NR delays that is, F1-n through F4-n, could
>> be added to the configuration menu.  There are delay differences in the
>> noise ripple but aurally, with a complex voice waveform, there?s no
>> distinction between the delay settings.
>> Don't get me wrong! I'm not that saying there's something wrong with the
>> K3/K3S noise reduction. It works very well!  I think there are too many
>> settings and some can be eliminated.  What are your thoughts?
>> -----
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From nw8l at whitemesa.com  Tue Jun 20 22:31:08 2017
From: nw8l at whitemesa.com (Robert Cunnings)
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2017 20:31:08 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Noise reduction Test
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	<ee5f0e25-b4fd-e030-4b65-d712778c7f35@audiosystemsgroup.com>
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Well, not exactly... the K3S doesn't have the ability to perform the 
phase shifting for noise cancellation.

However, the K3 has antenna OUT and IN jacks which allow the use of the 
NCC-1 (now NCC-2) from DX Engineering to perform the noise cancellation. 
I've been doing this for years and it works well. I posted the details on 
this list earlier:

http://www.mail-archive.com/elecraft at mailman.qth.net/msg177064.html

I need noise cancellation more and more as the RF environment in my 
neighborhood grows more hostile each year.

73, Bob NW8L

On Tue, 20 Jun 2017, Don Wilhelm wrote:

> Dave,
>
> The K3S has a receive antenna connection so you can do exactly that. The low 
> noise antenna is up to the operator to provide.
> If you have the KRX3 option installed, diversity reception may also help.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 6/20/2017 6:21 PM, Dave Cole wrote:
>> What would be really nice would be to have a separate antenna designed for 
>> noise reception, and the ability to phase shift it from the normal antenna, 
>> allowing for noise cancellation...
>> 
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From dave at nk7z.net  Wed Jun 21 00:03:14 2017
From: dave at nk7z.net (Dave Cole)
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2017 21:03:14 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Noise reduction Test
In-Reply-To: <009001d2ea2f$3efc99b0$bcf5cd10$@com>
References: <009001d2ea2f$3efc99b0$bcf5cd10$@com>
Message-ID: <b8167c1a-b6bd-09ad-67e8-644824af7207@nk7z.net>

Thank you John.  That is exactly what I was suggesting.

73s and thanks,
Dave
NK7Z
http://www.nk7z.net

On 06/20/2017 06:39 PM, john at kk9a.com wrote:
> But that is not what NK7Z is suggesting.  He suggested a built in noise
> canceller which would be awesome!
>
> John KK9A
>
> Don Wilhelm wrote
> Tue Jun 20 19:51:45 EDT 2017
>
> Dave,
>
> The K3S has a receive antenna connection so you can do exactly that.
> The low noise antenna is up to the operator to provide.
> If you have the KRX3 option installed, diversity reception may also help.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 6/20/2017 6:21 PM, Dave Cole wrote:
>> What would be really nice would be to have a separate antenna designed
>> for noise reception, and the ability to phase shift it from the normal
>> antenna, allowing for noise cancellation...
>
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From dave at nk7z.net  Wed Jun 21 00:04:00 2017
From: dave at nk7z.net (Dave Cole)
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2017 21:04:00 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Noise reduction Test
In-Reply-To: <009001d2ea2f$3efc99b0$bcf5cd10$@com>
References: <009001d2ea2f$3efc99b0$bcf5cd10$@com>
Message-ID: <84ca107d-f060-8ed1-fb9a-6d505044509c@nk7z.net>

Don,
Thanks for the info, but as John said, I was suggesting a noise 
canceling setup...  I was not clear enough, my error.

73s and thanks,
Dave
NK7Z
http://www.nk7z.net

On 06/20/2017 06:39 PM, john at kk9a.com wrote:
> But that is not what NK7Z is suggesting.  He suggested a built in noise
> canceller which would be awesome!
>
> John KK9A
>
> Don Wilhelm wrote
> Tue Jun 20 19:51:45 EDT 2017
>
> Dave,
>
> The K3S has a receive antenna connection so you can do exactly that.
> The low noise antenna is up to the operator to provide.
> If you have the KRX3 option installed, diversity reception may also help.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 6/20/2017 6:21 PM, Dave Cole wrote:
>> What would be really nice would be to have a separate antenna designed
>> for noise reception, and the ability to phase shift it from the normal
>> antenna, allowing for noise cancellation...
>
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From tomb18 at videotron.ca  Wed Jun 21 00:37:53 2017
From: tomb18 at videotron.ca (tomb18)
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2017 00:37:53 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Noise reduction Test
Message-ID: <002a47817b03c627ed978e6eaa67ab8f@smtp.videotron.ca>

I think the ncc1 is under rated.?Here is an example ?of what it can do. I was plagued by a neighbour with outdoor high intensity lights which he insisted on leaving on during the day.. It was either this or blasting his house with 2.4ghz noise whenever his lights were on during the day...?It's not the best video but it shows what you can achieve...?https://va2fsq.com/wp-content/uploads/2013-Jan-15-20-43-43.avi?73 Tom?
Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
-------- Original message --------From: Dave Cole <dave at nk7z.net> Date: 2017-06-21  12:04 AM  (GMT-05:00) To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S Noise reduction Test 
Don,
Thanks for the info, but as John said, I was suggesting a noise 
canceling setup...? I was not clear enough, my error.

73s and thanks,
Dave
NK7Z
http://www.nk7z.net

On 06/20/2017 06:39 PM, john at kk9a.com wrote:
> But that is not what NK7Z is suggesting.? He suggested a built in noise
> canceller which would be awesome!
>
> John KK9A
>
> Don Wilhelm wrote
> Tue Jun 20 19:51:45 EDT 2017
>
> Dave,
>
> The K3S has a receive antenna connection so you can do exactly that.
> The low noise antenna is up to the operator to provide.
> If you have the KRX3 option installed, diversity reception may also help.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 6/20/2017 6:21 PM, Dave Cole wrote:
>> What would be really nice would be to have a separate antenna designed
>> for noise reception, and the ability to phase shift it from the normal
>> antenna, allowing for noise cancellation...
>
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From tomb18 at videotron.ca  Wed Jun 21 00:45:43 2017
From: tomb18 at videotron.ca (tomb18)
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2017 00:45:43 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Noise reduction Test
Message-ID: <20686900e0c8be7fe7022ec987badf1b@smtp.videotron.ca>

Just a note. This is with a small amplified ?vertical receive antenna, the ncc1 and all fed through the k3 Rx loop. It's wwv, and the whole thing is switched in at the end of the video. 25dBm reduction in the noise.?It's also really useful for eliminating acting one signal on top of the other. For example Am broadcast dxing... I can get rid of a strong am broadcast on top of a weak one.?Now if only this could be automated and built in to the radio...?


Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
-------- Original message --------From: tomb18 <tomb18 at videotron.ca> Date: 2017-06-21  12:37 AM  (GMT-05:00) To: Dave Cole <dave at nk7z.net>, elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S Noise reduction Test 
I think the ncc1 is under rated.?Here is an example ?of what it can do. I was plagued by a neighbour with outdoor high intensity lights which he insisted on leaving on during the day.. It was either this or blasting his house with 2.4ghz noise whenever his lights were on during the day...?It's not the best video but it shows what you can achieve...?https://va2fsq.com/wp-content/uploads/2013-Jan-15-20-43-43.avi?73 Tom?
Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
-------- Original message --------From: Dave Cole <dave at nk7z.net> Date: 2017-06-21? 12:04 AM? (GMT-05:00) To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S Noise reduction Test 
Don,
Thanks for the info, but as John said, I was suggesting a noise 
canceling setup...? I was not clear enough, my error.

73s and thanks,
Dave
NK7Z
http://www.nk7z.net

On 06/20/2017 06:39 PM, john at kk9a.com wrote:
> But that is not what NK7Z is suggesting.? He suggested a built in noise
> canceller which would be awesome!
>
> John KK9A
>
> Don Wilhelm wrote
> Tue Jun 20 19:51:45 EDT 2017
>
> Dave,
>
> The K3S has a receive antenna connection so you can do exactly that.
> The low noise antenna is up to the operator to provide.
> If you have the KRX3 option installed, diversity reception may also help.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 6/20/2017 6:21 PM, Dave Cole wrote:
>> What would be really nice would be to have a separate antenna designed
>> for noise reception, and the ability to phase shift it from the normal
>> antenna, allowing for noise cancellation...
>
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From k6dgw at foothill.net  Wed Jun 21 00:45:50 2017
From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen)
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2017 21:45:50 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Noise reduction Test
In-Reply-To: <84ca107d-f060-8ed1-fb9a-6d505044509c@nk7z.net>
References: <009001d2ea2f$3efc99b0$bcf5cd10$@com>
	<84ca107d-f060-8ed1-fb9a-6d505044509c@nk7z.net>
Message-ID: <6fdba931-a2f0-7f3c-47c5-b736b074dcf5@foothill.net>

My experience with noise cancellation, by no means exhaustive or even 
quantitative, is that it is surprisingly effective, almost to the point 
of "magic", provided the noise source is a single point. It was 
essentially ineffective if there were multiple sources, or the source 
was extended in space[e.g. a radiating power line].

Perhaps the best signal-to-noise-ratio-improver I've ever found I 
learned as a teen working at a coastal marine station many years ago. 
The Holy Frequency could be extraordinarily noisy at night... the OT had 
me lay my cans on the deskand turn up the gain a little.  Ioften use it 
todayand it beats a noise limiter [I don't think they exist anymore], 
noise blanker[good for impulse noise], DSP, and cancellation.

I don't really know how it works, I suspect it has something to do with 
the broadband noise being more directive than the CW signalbecause if 
I'm over the headphones, it's less effective than if they're a bit off 
to the side.  I've never tried it with SSB, might do that in a free 
moment.  But, it's pretty cheap. [:-)

I've never gotten much use out of my K3's NR/NB but to be fair, I also 
haven't tried it very much.

73,

Fred ("Skip") K6DGW
Sparks NV USA
Washoe County DM09dn

On 6/20/2017 9:04 PM, Dave Cole wrote:
> Don,
> Thanks for the info, but as John said, I was suggesting a noise 
> canceling setup...  I was not clear enough, my error.
>
> 73s and thanks,
> Dave
> NK7Z
> http://www.nk7z.net


From indians at xsmail.com  Wed Jun 21 04:08:50 2017
From: indians at xsmail.com (Petr, OK1RP/M0SIS)
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2017 01:08:50 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] WTB: KAT500
Message-ID: <1498032530745-7631959.post@n2.nabble.com>

Hi all,

I am looking for used KAT500 in 100% condition.
Thanks for offers.

73 - Petr, OK1RP



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From forums at david-woolley.me.uk  Wed Jun 21 04:14:00 2017
From: forums at david-woolley.me.uk (David Woolley)
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2017 09:14:00 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Noise reduction Test
In-Reply-To: <D867ED3E-3917-48D1-BB0D-F576A420FE7A@gmail.com>
References: <1497973720914-7631913.post@n2.nabble.com>
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Noise reduction is about reducing subjective noise for the listener, not 
about reducing some engineering measurement.  An instrument is likely to 
generate some very simple, or even pure tone, signal.  With the sorts of 
strategy used for noise reduction, and very aggressive settings, you 
could obtain almost perfect results on such a signal, but those same 
settings would make human speech completely unintelligible.

The big challenge for noise reducers is deciding what is human speech 
and what is noise. That's much more difficult than identifying a pure tone.

The other sort of test signal that might be used, and the one that is 
implied by the definition of noise factor, would be white noise, and 
noise reducers will have no effect on the signal to noise ratio there. 
They will reduce both equally.

The human brain is actually rather good at noise reduction of human 
speech, but it gets tired.  The aim of noise reducers is to not do quite 
as well, but remove the fatigue element from the human.

As I've noted before, where the real money is in noise reduction 
research is in the hearing aid industry, where the noise can be 
particularly challenging, as it is generally mixed up human speech form 
the other people in the restaurant.

-- 
David Woolley K2 06123

On 20/06/17 20:44, GRANT YOUNGMAN wrote:
> You might want to look at actual (S+N)/N data.  I?m not sure the visual ?test?  tells the full story, since these are complex waveforms.
>
> I did extensive measurement several years ago on the NR functions of the v1 and v2 firmware versions of the TenTec Orion (for some reason, noise reduction not being ?magic? surfaces everywhere as a contentious issue), and the measured data did not always match what things ?looked like?.   Not saying they don?t here, but it?s improvement in (S+N)/N that?s the end objective of NR regardless of what the screen shot looks like.
>
> SpectrumLab can measure this directly.  http://www.qsl.net/dl4yhf/spectra1.html
>
>> On Jun 20, 2017, at 3:13 PM, wa9fvp <repair at willcoele.com> wrote:
>>
>> If you look at my data, there?s very little noise level difference in the delay settings.



From pubx1 at af2z.net  Wed Jun 21 07:29:21 2017
From: pubx1 at af2z.net (Drew AF2Z)
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2017 07:29:21 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Noise reduction Test
In-Reply-To: <30953FF5-576F-4176-B483-BD0FD4EE01E8@widomaker.com>
References: <1497973720914-7631913.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<69395222-0b78-3915-82f0-13fcea59361f@af2z.net>
	<30953FF5-576F-4176-B483-BD0FD4EE01E8@widomaker.com>
Message-ID: <50884ecd-e4f0-e2a9-7c13-56d09e4f886d@af2z.net>

The VFO-A knob currently has no function while NR "long push" is engaged.

73,
Drew
AF2Z


On 06/20/17 22:20, Nr4c wrote:
> But that knob varies a whole other range of NR. How hard is it to turn one knob 32 clicks?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> ...nr4c. bill
> 
> 
>> On Jun 20, 2017, at 2:51 PM, Drew AF2Z <pubx1 at af2z.net> wrote:
>>
>> The only thing I would change in NR is to make it easier to scroll through the settings. Currently you can only go through the 32 settings sequentially with the VFO-B knob, from 1-1 through 8-4. It would be nice if the VFO-A knob could be employed to increment and decrement the first parameter.
>>
>> For example: if you were on NR 1-3 you could scroll directly through 2-3, 3-3, 4-3, etc using the VFO-A knob.
>>
>> I don't know the details of NR but believe that all the n-1 settings are related to each other as a group; same goes for the n-2 settings, n-3, and n-4. So, it would make sense to be able to scroll through the "n" values when looking for the best noise reduction.
>>
>> 73,
>> Drew
>> AF2Z
>>
>>
>>> On 06/20/17 11:48, wa9fvp wrote:
>>> I did a comprehensive test of the K3S noise reduction system and uploaded the
>>> same document to the Elecraft_K3 Yahoo group.
>>> Elecraft_K3_NoiseReduction.pdf
>>> <http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/file/n7631913/Elecraft_K3_NoiseReduction.pdf>
>>> Here's what I concluded.
>>> Settings Fn-1 provides the least noise reduction.  Fn-2 and Fn-3 noise
>>> levels are almost the same and one setting could be eliminated.  Fn-4
>>> provides the most noise reduction and having 3 settings, it would
>>> simplifying NR adjustments.  The NR delays that is, F1-n through F4-n, could
>>> be added to the configuration menu.  There are delay differences in the
>>> noise ripple but aurally, with a complex voice waveform, there?s no
>>> distinction between the delay settings.
>>> Don't get me wrong! I'm not that saying there's something wrong with the
>>> K3/K3S noise reduction. It works very well!  I think there are too many
>>> settings and some can be eliminated.  What are your thoughts?
>>> -----
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>>> Sent from my home-brew I5 Core PC
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Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2017 08:17:57 -0400
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From w5tm001 at gmail.com  Wed Jun 21 08:53:35 2017
From: w5tm001 at gmail.com (Ed Gilliland)
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2017 07:53:35 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - No Power Out, Error Message "ERR PL-1"
Message-ID: <d9f1f62f-2b5d-250e-97d1-6db90e503608@gmail.com>

No power out

5W calibration fails

The error message "ERR PL-1" appears briefly when I change bands.

Thanks for the help.

Ed


From chetlat at hotmail.com  Wed Jun 21 09:03:05 2017
From: chetlat at hotmail.com (VE3CFK)
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2017 06:03:05 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] KIO3BUPKT KIO3B Ugrade problems
Message-ID: <1498050185777-7631964.post@n2.nabble.com>

Purchased the upgrade about a year ago.  Acquired it to do digital modes and
do away with cabling, except for USB cable.
Worked great first time I plugged it in.  Worked with MMTTY and WSJTX-1.7.0
With N1MM (using USB) it would only display the operating frequency, but
function keys would not work.
With N1MM (using Serial) function keys would work but operating frequency
would not be displayed.
The problems with N1MM were duplicated on my PC (running Win7) and my laptop
(running XP).
The rig worked fine on a friends' PC (running Win7) using the USB link
between rig and PC.

Now K3 will not transmit using WSJX unless I crank the audio up very high
out of PC to the point of distortion.  And WSJTX now issues a warning that
there is something wrong with the Codec sound card.

The audio out of the K3 KIO3B works fine on WSJTX as it decodes signals. 
But audio out is the problem.

I could use some trouble shooting advice to confirm if KIO3B is working
properly or if my PCs are configured incorrectly.

73
Chet VE3CFK



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From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Wed Jun 21 09:09:22 2017
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2017 09:09:22 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - No Power Out, Error Message "ERR PL-1"
In-Reply-To: <d9f1f62f-2b5d-250e-97d1-6db90e503608@gmail.com>
References: <d9f1f62f-2b5d-250e-97d1-6db90e503608@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0afced21-de73-b5e9-f1c3-7aef73a1bdf9@embarqmail.com>

Ed,

Turn to page 70 in the K3 manual and try the correction steps listed for 
the ERR PL-1 error.

If that does not correct it, contact K3support for further steps.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 6/21/2017 8:53 AM, Ed Gilliland wrote:
> No power out
> 
> 5W calibration fails
> 
> The error message "ERR PL-1" appears briefly when I change bands.
> 

From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Wed Jun 21 09:18:14 2017
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2017 09:18:14 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KIO3BUPKT KIO3B Ugrade problems
In-Reply-To: <1498050185777-7631964.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1498050185777-7631964.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <0e8eb7b3-9ea6-ea11-1e56-d4f443813e7a@embarqmail.com>

Chet,

The fact that it worked fine with that friend's PC indicates some sort 
of problem with your PCs.  I think you will find it to be a software or 
computer configuration problem.
Figure out the differences between the setup on your PCs and your 
friend's and you should have the answer.

Check the soundcard settings your computer has placed in the CODEC for 
the K3 internal soundcard.  They should be in the 50 to 75% range.  You 
should be able to use that and do the fine adjust with the K3 LINE IN 
gain to achieve 4 bars solid with the 5th bar flashing on the ALC meter 
- that is the proper setting for the audio.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 6/21/2017 9:03 AM, VE3CFK wrote:
> Purchased the upgrade about a year ago.  Acquired it to do digital modes and
> do away with cabling, except for USB cable.
> Worked great first time I plugged it in.  Worked with MMTTY and WSJTX-1.7.0
> With N1MM (using USB) it would only display the operating frequency, but
> function keys would not work.
> With N1MM (using Serial) function keys would work but operating frequency
> would not be displayed.
> The problems with N1MM were duplicated on my PC (running Win7) and my laptop
> (running XP).
> The rig worked fine on a friends' PC (running Win7) using the USB link
> between rig and PC.
> 

From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Wed Jun 21 12:33:58 2017
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2017 09:33:58 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Noise reduction Test
In-Reply-To: <20686900e0c8be7fe7022ec987badf1b@smtp.videotron.ca>
References: <20686900e0c8be7fe7022ec987badf1b@smtp.videotron.ca>
Message-ID: <737e5c89-a823-2cc2-5cf5-7926579ccae0@audiosystemsgroup.com>

Yes, the NCC-1 is a superb unit, especially for use on 160, 80, and 40M. 
It's usefulness diminishes above 30M.  I'm using one to phase a spaced 
pair of VE3DO loops that are physically aimed at EU. Using the NCC-1, I 
can shift the pattern +/- 20-30 degrees. The combined loops produce some 
pretty deep (and narrow) nulls, so it's often possible to peak the 
signal while nulling a single noise source.

VE3DO loops are rectangular receiving loops that are 40 ft long by 10 ft 
high, with the lower horizontal segment about 2 ft off the ground. The 
loops are optimized for 160M, but work well on 80M. They're spaced 5/8 
wavelength on 160, which is about 350 ft. The spaced pair has 
directivity similar to a full wavelength Beverage, but the vertical 
pattern is broader for the loops, so the two antennas complement each 
other for signals arriving at different vertical angles.

http://www.ok1rr.com/index.php/onair/8-qmgr

The great thing about the NCC-1 is that as the phase knob is rotated, 
the phase difference is a nearly linear straight line, AND the amplitude 
difference is quite small. On 160 and 80, the difference is less than 
about 0.15 dB; it's a bit greater on 40M, and about 0.5 dB on 20M. That 
flatness makes it FAR easier to tune than its lower cost alternatives.

As others have noted, noise cancellation works only for a single source 
at a time.

73, Jim K9YC

On Tue,6/20/2017 9:45 PM, tomb18 wrote:

> I think the ncc1 is under rated. Here is an example  of what it can do.
> Just a note. This is with a small amplified  vertical receive antenna, the ncc1 and all fed through the k3 Rx loop. It's wwv, and the whole thing is switched in at the end of the video. 25dBm reduction in the noise. It's also really useful for eliminating acting one signal on top of the other. For example Am broadcast dxing... I can get rid of a strong am broadcast on top of a weak one. Now if only this could be automated and built in to the radio...



From jstengrevics at comcast.net  Wed Jun 21 12:38:26 2017
From: jstengrevics at comcast.net (John Stengrevics)
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2017 12:38:26 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Noise reduction Test
In-Reply-To: <737e5c89-a823-2cc2-5cf5-7926579ccae0@audiosystemsgroup.com>
References: <20686900e0c8be7fe7022ec987badf1b@smtp.videotron.ca>
	<737e5c89-a823-2cc2-5cf5-7926579ccae0@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Message-ID: <BC2DBD17-1336-4B65-B540-9B1C4538E6A5@comcast.net>

Jim,

Is there a similar unit that covers 50 MHz?  Or, a way to modify the NCC-1/NCC-2?

73.

John
WA1EAZ

> On Jun 21, 2017, at 12:33 PM, Jim Brown <jim at audiosystemsgroup.com> wrote:
> 
> Yes, the NCC-1 is a superb unit, especially for use on 160, 80, and 40M. It's usefulness diminishes above 30M.  I'm using one to phase a spaced pair of VE3DO loops that are physically aimed at EU. Using the NCC-1, I can shift the pattern +/- 20-30 degrees. The combined loops produce some pretty deep (and narrow) nulls, so it's often possible to peak the signal while nulling a single noise source.
> 
> VE3DO loops are rectangular receiving loops that are 40 ft long by 10 ft high, with the lower horizontal segment about 2 ft off the ground. The loops are optimized for 160M, but work well on 80M. They're spaced 5/8 wavelength on 160, which is about 350 ft. The spaced pair has directivity similar to a full wavelength Beverage, but the vertical pattern is broader for the loops, so the two antennas complement each other for signals arriving at different vertical angles.
> 
> http://www.ok1rr.com/index.php/onair/8-qmgr
> 
> The great thing about the NCC-1 is that as the phase knob is rotated, the phase difference is a nearly linear straight line, AND the amplitude difference is quite small. On 160 and 80, the difference is less than about 0.15 dB; it's a bit greater on 40M, and about 0.5 dB on 20M. That flatness makes it FAR easier to tune than its lower cost alternatives.
> 
> As others have noted, noise cancellation works only for a single source at a time.
> 
> 73, Jim K9YC
> 
> On Tue,6/20/2017 9:45 PM, tomb18 wrote:
> 
>> I think the ncc1 is under rated. Here is an example  of what it can do.
>> Just a note. This is with a small amplified  vertical receive antenna, the ncc1 and all fed through the k3 Rx loop. It's wwv, and the whole thing is switched in at the end of the video. 25dBm reduction in the noise. It's also really useful for eliminating acting one signal on top of the other. For example Am broadcast dxing... I can get rid of a strong am broadcast on top of a weak one. Now if only this could be automated and built in to the radio...
> 
> 
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From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Wed Jun 21 12:44:20 2017
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2017 09:44:20 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Noise reduction Test
In-Reply-To: <fecefb3d-723a-ce2b-0d67-e62d27b26e32@david-woolley.me.uk>
References: <1497973720914-7631913.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<69395222-0b78-3915-82f0-13fcea59361f@af2z.net>
	<002b01d2e9f9$46e77c70$d4b67550$@willcoele.com>
	<D867ED3E-3917-48D1-BB0D-F576A420FE7A@gmail.com>
	<fecefb3d-723a-ce2b-0d67-e62d27b26e32@david-woolley.me.uk>
Message-ID: <8e784bd1-0d2d-8230-ecb5-9f6d463c7db9@audiosystemsgroup.com>

EXACTLY RIGHT!  The scientific study of how we hear and perceive sound 
is called psychoacoustics, and is one of many important disciplines of 
the Acoustical Society of America. Early work at Bell Labs and at 
universities like MIT and Harvard became the basis for stereo.

Some of the first published work was by Joseph Henry, whose name is on 
the unit of inductance in recognition of his invention of meters and 
motors. It was Henry who first observed (around 1850) that when the same 
sound is heard from two directions, the one that arrives first at our 
ears tells us where the sound is coming from. This fact is the basis of 
the Bell Labs stereo patent, and makes it far superior to the Blumlein 
work published a year or so earlier.

73, Jim K9YC

On Wed,6/21/2017 1:14 AM, David Woolley wrote:
> Noise reduction is about reducing subjective noise for the listener, 
> not about reducing some engineering measurement.  An instrument is 
> likely to generate some very simple, or even pure tone, signal. With 
> the sorts of strategy used for noise reduction, and very aggressive 
> settings, you could obtain almost perfect results on such a signal, 
> but those same settings would make human speech completely 
> unintelligible.
>
> The big challenge for noise reducers is deciding what is human speech 
> and what is noise. That's much more difficult than identifying a pure 
> tone. 



From repair at willcoele.com  Wed Jun 21 12:55:42 2017
From: repair at willcoele.com (wa9fvp)
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2017 09:55:42 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Noise reduction Test
In-Reply-To: <fecefb3d-723a-ce2b-0d67-e62d27b26e32@david-woolley.me.uk>
References: <1497973720914-7631913.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<69395222-0b78-3915-82f0-13fcea59361f@af2z.net>
	<002b01d2e9f9$46e77c70$d4b67550$@willcoele.com>
	<D867ED3E-3917-48D1-BB0D-F576A420FE7A@gmail.com>
	<fecefb3d-723a-ce2b-0d67-e62d27b26e32@david-woolley.me.uk>
Message-ID: <002b01d2eaaf$33daa830$9b8ff890$@willcoele.com>

David W. wrote 
 
Noise reduction is about reducing subjective noise for the listener, not about reducing some engineering measurement.  
I replied,
I?m not sure what you mean by ?reducing some engineering measurement?. The test was to characterize the K3S NR settings.
David W. wrote
An instrument is likely to generate some very simple, or even pure tone, signal.  With the sorts of strategy used for noise reduction, and very aggressive settings, you could obtain almost perfect results on such a signal, but those same settings would make human speech completely unintelligible. 


I  replied,
That?s true.  My complaint is that there isn?t enough level settings. As soon as you select F1-1, the NR is already on the edge of being too aggressive.  If the setting started at 0 or even 1 and the noise floor dropped in 5db increments,  I wouldn?t have this discussion.
Working in telecom for 30 years and in and in the DSP groups for 15 years, the single tone test is the only way I know to characterize the LMS algorithm. If you have a better test setup, please let me know. 
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From repair at willcoele.com  Wed Jun 21 13:03:12 2017
From: repair at willcoele.com (wa9fvp)
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2017 10:03:12 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Noise reduction Test
In-Reply-To: <30953FF5-576F-4176-B483-BD0FD4EE01E8@widomaker.com>
References: <1497973720914-7631913.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<69395222-0b78-3915-82f0-13fcea59361f@af2z.net>
	<30953FF5-576F-4176-B483-BD0FD4EE01E8@widomaker.com>
Message-ID: <003e01d2eab0$3ad42110$b07c6330$@willcoele.com>

nr4c. bill wrote,
But that knob varies a whole other range of NR. How hard is it to turn one knob 32 clicks? 

32 clicks but only 4 NR levels.  The other settings are delays and mixed signals.  There aren?t enough level settings.
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From: Nr4c [via Elecraft] [mailto:ml+s365791n7631952h28 at n2.nabble.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2017 9:22 PM
To: wa9fvp <repair at willcoele.com>
Subject: Re: K3S Noise reduction Test
 
But that knob varies a whole other range of NR. How hard is it to turn one knob 32 clicks? 

Sent from my iPhone 
...nr4c. bill 

> On Jun 20, 2017, at 2:51 PM, Drew AF2Z <[hidden email]> wrote: 
> 
> The only thing I would change in NR is to make it easier to scroll through the settings. Currently you can only go through the 32 settings sequentially with the VFO-B knob, from 1-1 through 8-4. It would be nice if the VFO-A knob could be employed to increment and decrement the first parameter. 
> 
> For example: if you were on NR 1-3 you could scroll directly through 2-3, 3-3, 4-3, etc using the VFO-A knob. 
> 
> I don't know the details of NR but believe that all the n-1 settings are related to each other as a group; same goes for the n-2 settings, n-3, and n-4. So, it would make sense to be able to scroll through the "n" values when looking for the best noise reduction. 
> 
> 73, 
> Drew 
> AF2Z 
> 
> 
>> On 06/20/17 11:48, wa9fvp wrote: 
>> I did a comprehensive test of the K3S noise reduction system and uploaded the 
>> same document to the Elecraft_K3 Yahoo group. 
>> Elecraft_K3_NoiseReduction.pdf 
>> <http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/file/n7631913/Elecraft_K3_NoiseReduction.pdf> 
>> Here's what I concluded. 
>> Settings Fn-1 provides the least noise reduction.  Fn-2 and Fn-3 noise 
>> levels are almost the same and one setting could be eliminated.  Fn-4 
>> provides the most noise reduction and having 3 settings, it would 
>> simplifying NR adjustments.  The NR delays that is, F1-n through F4-n, could 
>> be added to the configuration menu.  There are delay differences in the 
>> noise ripple but aurally, with a complex voice waveform, there?s no 
>> distinction between the delay settings. 
>> Don't get me wrong! I'm not that saying there's something wrong with the 
>> K3/K3S noise reduction. It works very well!  I think there are too many 
>> settings and some can be eliminated.  What are your thoughts? 
>> ----- 
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From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Wed Jun 21 13:16:06 2017
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2017 10:16:06 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Noise reduction Test
In-Reply-To: <BC2DBD17-1336-4B65-B540-9B1C4538E6A5@comcast.net>
References: <20686900e0c8be7fe7022ec987badf1b@smtp.videotron.ca>
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On Wed,6/21/2017 9:38 AM, John Stengrevics wrote:
> Jim,
>
> Is there a similar unit that covers 50 MHz?

Not that I know of.

>   Or, a way to modify the NCC-1/NCC-2?

No. It is far too complex a unit, and would have to be redesigned from 
scratch.

73, Jim K9YC


From eric at elecraft.com  Wed Jun 21 14:07:00 2017
From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft)
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2017 11:07:00 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Noise reduction Test
In-Reply-To: <003e01d2eab0$3ad42110$b07c6330$@willcoele.com>
References: <1497973720914-7631913.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<69395222-0b78-3915-82f0-13fcea59361f@af2z.net>
	<30953FF5-576F-4176-B483-BD0FD4EE01E8@widomaker.com>
	<003e01d2eab0$3ad42110$b07c6330$@willcoele.com>
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Folks - Let's rest this thread for now as its exceeding our posting limit.
73,
Eric
List modulator etc.
/elecraft.com/

On 6/21/2017 10:03 AM, wa9fvp wrote:
> nr4c. bill wrote,
> But that knob varies a whole other range of NR. How hard is it to turn one knob 32 clicks?
>
> 32 clicks but only 4 NR levels.  The other settings are delays and mixed signals.  There aren?t enough level settings.


From repair at willcoele.com  Wed Jun 21 14:22:31 2017
From: repair at willcoele.com (wa9fvp)
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2017 11:22:31 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Noise reduction Test
In-Reply-To: <8e784bd1-0d2d-8230-ecb5-9f6d463c7db9@audiosystemsgroup.com>
References: <1497973720914-7631913.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<69395222-0b78-3915-82f0-13fcea59361f@af2z.net>
	<002b01d2e9f9$46e77c70$d4b67550$@willcoele.com>
	<D867ED3E-3917-48D1-BB0D-F576A420FE7A@gmail.com>
	<fecefb3d-723a-ce2b-0d67-e62d27b26e32@david-woolley.me.uk>
	<8e784bd1-0d2d-8230-ecb5-9f6d463c7db9@audiosystemsgroup.com>
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Jim Brown Wrote
 
EXACTLY RIGHT!  The scientific study of how we hear and perceive sound 
is called psychoacoustics, and is one of many important disciplines of 
the Acoustical Society of America. Early work at Bell Labs and at 
universities like MIT and Harvard became the basis for stereo. 

Some of the first published work was by Joseph Henry, whose name is on 
the unit of inductance in recognition of his invention of meters and 
motors. It was Henry who first observed (around 1850) that when the same 
sound is heard from two directions, the one that arrives first at our 
ears tells us where the sound is coming from. This fact is the basis of 
the Bell Labs stereo patent, and makes it far superior to the Blumlein 
work published a year or so earlier. 



 
I remember something from the telecom days and I found this on the Internet.
 
"The lowest discernible signal that can be heard by a human being is -90 dBm
(800 or 1000 Hz)"
 
It brings back something I heard in the early days when DSP noise reduction
was first introduced to Ham Radio.  At one of the Dayton Hamvention
seminars, I don't remember who that was, they said something to the affect
"Noise reduction cannot pull an SSB signal out of the noise. It can however
reduce the noise floor to a comfortable listing level'.  I guess, that's all
we can hope for.
 
PS; In order to reduce bandwidth, I try to cut previous posting from my
replies. Sometimes I forget and for that I apologies. 
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From k7voradio at gmail.com  Wed Jun 21 14:22:53 2017
From: k7voradio at gmail.com (Robert Sands)
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2017 11:22:53 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Unable to post: test again
Message-ID: <594ab97e.5212620a.808e3.999d@mx.google.com>

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From km4ik.ian at gmail.com  Wed Jun 21 16:05:20 2017
From: km4ik.ian at gmail.com (Ian Kahn)
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2017 16:05:20 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Unable to post: test again
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Congratulations! You passed! :-)

73 de,

Ian, KM4IK

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From paul.wilton at tesco.net  Wed Jun 21 17:27:56 2017
From: paul.wilton at tesco.net (Paul Wilton)
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2017 22:27:56 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S, P3 and USB Audio
Message-ID: <C81BB108-CAA8-4AAC-B846-98A05B6CE0B7@tesco.net>

I?m trying to set up a borrowed K3S plus P3 for a club contest using a laptop.  The problem I have is I don?t have the CBLP3Y cable to connect the K3S to the P3, I only have the E980297 cable that connected a K3 to a P3 (the single ended RJ45 to 9 way D).  

Question - if I connect up the K3S and P3 via serial, can I still use USB for audio?

That is, can I connect it up:

Using cable E980297     K3S serial port -> P3 XCVR connector 

and using standard serial cable    P3 PC connector -> laptop serial port  

whilst still having the USB connector in place supplying the audio.



Initial experiments with this approach haven?t been very successful but it could be a myriad of computer/N1MM+ hassle obscuring it.



73

Paul
M1CNK
_________________________



From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Wed Jun 21 18:10:53 2017
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2017 18:10:53 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S, P3 and USB Audio
In-Reply-To: <C81BB108-CAA8-4AAC-B846-98A05B6CE0B7@tesco.net>
References: <C81BB108-CAA8-4AAC-B846-98A05B6CE0B7@tesco.net>
Message-ID: <258559ea-4cc0-95da-7acc-9e70b62d7fce@embarqmail.com>

Paul,

I don't know whether you can use the USB soundcard provision of the K3S 
while using some other RS-232 port connected to the P3 and through the 
RJ-45 to RS232 'dongle' at the same time.  But my thought is that they 
are separate, the soundcard function is just like any external USB 
soundcard.

I think you *should* be able to do that, but just keep in mind which COM 
port is connected to your USB to RS-232 adapter and which one is the one 
in the K3S.  The USB port FTDI will likely still show up in the computer 
Device Manager.  Note the COM port number and do not use it to connect 
with N1MM.
Do not set the K3S RS-232 menu to USB, set it to 38,400 instead.

You might want to try something more simplistic than N1MM first (like K3 
Utility) to verify that the PC to P3/K3 connection works.

Once you can verify communications with K3 Utility, then try N1MM.

73,
Don W3FPR




On 6/21/2017 5:27 PM, Paul Wilton wrote:
> I?m trying to set up a borrowed K3S plus P3 for a club contest using a laptop.  The problem I have is I don?t have the CBLP3Y cable to connect the K3S to the P3, I only have the E980297 cable that connected a K3 to a P3 (the single ended RJ45 to 9 way D).
> 
> Question - if I connect up the K3S and P3 via serial, can I still use USB for audio?
> 

From mike.harris at horizon.co.fk  Thu Jun 22 09:10:08 2017
From: mike.harris at horizon.co.fk (Mike Harris)
Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2017 10:10:08 -0300
Subject: [Elecraft] Roofing Filters
Message-ID: <fd7e34f7-f671-9d0a-53ba-80d786321839@horizon.co.fk>

Wandering the web I notice that INRAD are offering K3 Roofers somewhat 
less than Elecraft prices.

Regards,

Mike VP8NO

From cautery at montac.com  Thu Jun 22 10:14:37 2017
From: cautery at montac.com (Clay Autery)
Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2017 09:14:37 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Roofing Filters
In-Reply-To: <fd7e34f7-f671-9d0a-53ba-80d786321839@horizon.co.fk>
References: <fd7e34f7-f671-9d0a-53ba-80d786321839@horizon.co.fk>
Message-ID: <73b8ef8c-6a36-27d8-cebb-3e094803d631@montac.com>

INRAD makes Elecraft's filters as I understand it...

I'll be getting mine from Elecraft directly.

______________________
Clay Autery, KY5G

On 6/22/2017 8:10 AM, Mike Harris wrote:
> Wandering the web I notice that INRAD are offering K3 Roofers somewhat
> less than Elecraft prices.
>
> Regards,
>
> Mike VP8NO
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From raysills3 at verizon.net  Thu Jun 22 11:09:53 2017
From: raysills3 at verizon.net (Raymond Sills)
Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2017 11:09:53 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Roofing Filters
In-Reply-To: <73b8ef8c-6a36-27d8-cebb-3e094803d631@montac.com>
Message-ID: <15cd05a3b1e-1a66-2624b@webprd-m60.mail.aol.com>

I don't have a K3, or K3S... but if I did, I'd order from Elecraft.  After all, if it were not for Elecraft, Inrad would not be making them.


Paying a bit extra to Elecraft is a way to say "thank you" for their wonderful products, and their outstanding customer service.




73 de Ray
K2ULR
KX3 #211




-----Original Message-----
From: Clay Autery <cautery at montac.com>
To: elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Thu, Jun 22, 2017 10:26 am
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Roofing Filters

INRAD makes Elecraft's filters as I understand it...

I'll be getting mine from Elecraft directly.

______________________
Clay Autery, KY5G

On 6/22/2017 8:10 AM, Mike Harris wrote:
> Wandering the web I notice that INRAD are offering K3 Roofers somewhat
> less than Elecraft prices.
>
> Regards,
>
> Mike VP8NO
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From k5atg.aaron at gmail.com  Thu Jun 22 11:37:00 2017
From: k5atg.aaron at gmail.com (Aaron K5ATG)
Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2017 10:37:00 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Question about K2
Message-ID: <CADENs29iDW0X9Y0iZ-CR3BqoM9c_iE44QSC7f_4XPsQm0h=vZg@mail.gmail.com>

I got a question about the Elecraft K2. A friend borrowed mine and he said
that he was running PSK31 and it just shut down on him and after that it
would no longer transmit. Once I got it back it seems to be working but not
transmitting. Am I correct in assuming that it is the PA transistors that
need to be replaced?
Thank you
Aaron K5ATG

From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Thu Jun 22 12:11:53 2017
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2017 12:11:53 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Question about K2
In-Reply-To: <CADENs29iDW0X9Y0iZ-CR3BqoM9c_iE44QSC7f_4XPsQm0h=vZg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADENs29iDW0X9Y0iZ-CR3BqoM9c_iE44QSC7f_4XPsQm0h=vZg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0209a33a-c147-e4d3-6db0-659283ff744b@embarqmail.com>

Aaron,

It is likely that the PA transistors have failed.
Pull the top cover off and measure the voltage at the BASE of either Q7 
or Q8.  During receive, it should be zero, and during transmit it should 
be in the range of 0.60 to 0.64 volts.
If it is anything other than that, remove the PA transistors - get the 
K2PAKIT from Elecraft, it has matched transistors.
Once you have the PA transistors removed, measure the voltage at the 
solder pad for the base of Q7 or Q8 during a TUNE - if it is not in the 
range of 0.60 to 0.64 volts, replace Q11 and Q13 before putting the PA 
transistors back in.

If the voltages on Q7 and Q8 look good initially, then the problem is 
something other than the PA transistors.  You will have to do Transmit 
Signal Tracing as shown in Appendix E of the K2 manual to determine the 
failing stage.  You will need the RF Probe or a 'scope with a 10X probe 
to do the signal tracing.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 6/22/2017 11:37 AM, Aaron K5ATG wrote:
> I got a question about the Elecraft K2. A friend borrowed mine and he said
> that he was running PSK31 and it just shut down on him and after that it
> would no longer transmit. Once I got it back it seems to be working but not
> transmitting. Am I correct in assuming that it is the PA transistors that
> need to be replaced?
> Thank you
> Aaron K5ATG
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From kevin at k4vd.net  Thu Jun 22 12:23:16 2017
From: kevin at k4vd.net (Kevin - K4VD)
Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2017 12:23:16 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Roofing Filters
In-Reply-To: <15cd05a3b1e-1a66-2624b@webprd-m60.mail.aol.com>
References: <73b8ef8c-6a36-27d8-cebb-3e094803d631@montac.com>
	<15cd05a3b1e-1a66-2624b@webprd-m60.mail.aol.com>
Message-ID: <CAFA9ujtwojV3RkPEkQQqLKLEyRmMzZZLt+dRq6uGX27Ds+NU5g@mail.gmail.com>

An alternative thought. INRAD makes a decent product and has been around
for years. I've used their roofing filter in my FT-1000 and I think it was
in my FT-897 also(?). If I were looking to refit an existing rig, any rig,
with a roofing filter I'd give serious consideration to INRAD's offerings.

Specifications are a consideration. I'm not sure how the two products
compare in the lab. If both are very similar then I'd say thank you to
INRAD for selling at the lower price.

Don't get me wrong. I really enjoy my Elecraft. One of the best rigs I've
ever owned and definitely the best when portable. But if I want to say
thank you I'll send them a card.

73,
Kev K4VD

On Thu, Jun 22, 2017 at 11:09 AM, Raymond Sills <raysills3 at verizon.net>
wrote:

> I don't have a K3, or K3S... but if I did, I'd order from Elecraft.  After
> all, if it were not for Elecraft, Inrad would not be making them.
>
>
> Paying a bit extra to Elecraft is a way to say "thank you" for their
> wonderful products, and their outstanding customer service.
>
>
>
>
> 73 de Ray
> K2ULR
> KX3 #211
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Clay Autery <cautery at montac.com>
> To: elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Sent: Thu, Jun 22, 2017 10:26 am
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Roofing Filters
>
> INRAD makes Elecraft's filters as I understand it...
>
> I'll be getting mine from Elecraft directly.
>
> ______________________
> Clay Autery, KY5G
>
> On 6/22/2017 8:10 AM, Mike Harris wrote:
> > Wandering the web I notice that INRAD are offering K3 Roofers somewhat
> > less than Elecraft prices.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Mike VP8NO
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From k2vco.vic at gmail.com  Thu Jun 22 12:46:48 2017
From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Vic Rosenthal)
Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2017 19:46:48 +0300
Subject: [Elecraft] Roofing Filters
In-Reply-To: <73b8ef8c-6a36-27d8-cebb-3e094803d631@montac.com>
References: <fd7e34f7-f671-9d0a-53ba-80d786321839@horizon.co.fk>
	<73b8ef8c-6a36-27d8-cebb-3e094803d631@montac.com>
Message-ID: <FA08C485-E903-47A4-8289-B072056867F2@gmail.com>

I recall Wayne saying that Elecraft tested filters received from INRAD for some specific performance characteristics. I don't remember the details.

Vic 4X6GP 

> On 22 Jun 2017, at 17:14, Clay Autery <cautery at montac.com> wrote:
> 
> INRAD makes Elecraft's filters as I understand it...
> 
> I'll be getting mine from Elecraft directly.
> 
> ______________________
> Clay Autery, KY5G
> 
>> On 6/22/2017 8:10 AM, Mike Harris wrote:
>> Wandering the web I notice that INRAD are offering K3 Roofers somewhat
>> less than Elecraft prices.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Mike VP8NO
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From n6kr at elecraft.com  Thu Jun 22 12:54:12 2017
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2017 09:54:12 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Roofing Filters
In-Reply-To: <FA08C485-E903-47A4-8289-B072056867F2@gmail.com>
References: <fd7e34f7-f671-9d0a-53ba-80d786321839@horizon.co.fk>
	<73b8ef8c-6a36-27d8-cebb-3e094803d631@montac.com>
	<FA08C485-E903-47A4-8289-B072056867F2@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1A8054F4-2F71-4B66-B49A-7F29959F409D@elecraft.com>

Yes. We screen every INRAD filter. Those that don?t meet our dynamic range targets are rejected.

Wayne
N6KR


> On Jun 22, 2017, at 9:46 AM, Vic Rosenthal <k2vco.vic at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I recall Wayne saying that Elecraft tested filters received from INRAD for some specific performance characteristics. I don't remember the details.
> 
> Vic 4X6GP 
> 
>> On 22 Jun 2017, at 17:14, Clay Autery <cautery at montac.com> wrote:
>> 
>> INRAD makes Elecraft's filters as I understand it...
>> 
>> I'll be getting mine from Elecraft directly.
>> 
>> ______________________
>> Clay Autery, KY5G
>> 
>>> On 6/22/2017 8:10 AM, Mike Harris wrote:
>>> Wandering the web I notice that INRAD are offering K3 Roofers somewhat
>>> less than Elecraft prices.
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> 
>>> Mike VP8NO
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From kengkopp at gmail.com  Thu Jun 22 12:59:10 2017
From: kengkopp at gmail.com (Ken G Kopp)
Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2017 10:59:10 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] Roofing Filters
In-Reply-To: <1A8054F4-2F71-4B66-B49A-7F29959F409D@elecraft.com>
References: <fd7e34f7-f671-9d0a-53ba-80d786321839@horizon.co.fk>
	<73b8ef8c-6a36-27d8-cebb-3e094803d631@montac.com>
	<FA08C485-E903-47A4-8289-B072056867F2@gmail.com>
	<1A8054F4-2F71-4B66-B49A-7F29959F409D@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <CAD4CdTPy0szgcqgCN62WywYcUnsob8v0ur+DW6BLkw4LWyL=kw@mail.gmail.com>

Meaning ya get what ya pay for ... or "value added".  (:-))

73!

K0PP

On Jun 22, 2017 10:54, "Wayne Burdick" <n6kr at elecraft.com> wrote:

> Yes. We screen every INRAD filter. Those that don?t meet our dynamic range
> targets are rejected.
>
> Wayne
> N6KR
>
>
> > On Jun 22, 2017, at 9:46 AM, Vic Rosenthal <k2vco.vic at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > I recall Wayne saying that Elecraft tested filters received from INRAD
> for some specific performance characteristics. I don't remember the details.
> >
> > Vic 4X6GP
> >
> >> On 22 Jun 2017, at 17:14, Clay Autery <cautery at montac.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> INRAD makes Elecraft's filters as I understand it...
> >>
> >> I'll be getting mine from Elecraft directly.
> >>
> >> ______________________
> >> Clay Autery, KY5G
> >>
> >>> On 6/22/2017 8:10 AM, Mike Harris wrote:
> >>> Wandering the web I notice that INRAD are offering K3 Roofers somewhat
> >>> less than Elecraft prices.
> >>>
> >>> Regards,
> >>>
> >>> Mike VP8NO
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From n6kr at elecraft.com  Thu Jun 22 13:09:27 2017
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2017 10:09:27 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] 6 meters open this morning; listening 50.095 (CW)
Message-ID: <905FD3DB-18CF-41A1-8AE9-BC926F9AB9E1@elecraft.com>

Just had a quick QSO with K7CW in CN87, and I?m hearing a strong beacon from Kansas. DXmaps.com has red all over :)

At times like this it pays to jump on 6 meters. 

73,
Wayne
N6KR


From ken at arcomcontrollers.com  Thu Jun 22 13:28:21 2017
From: ken at arcomcontrollers.com (Ken Arck)
Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2017 10:28:21 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] 6 meters open this morning; listening 50.095  (CW)
In-Reply-To: <905FD3DB-18CF-41A1-8AE9-BC926F9AB9E1@elecraft.com>
References: <905FD3DB-18CF-41A1-8AE9-BC926F9AB9E1@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <mailman.24.1498152615.7804.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>

I have 16 countries on 6 meters (and 82 on 2 meters!)

Ken


At 10:09 AM 6/22/2017, Wayne Burdick wrote:
>Just had a quick QSO with K7CW in CN87, and 
>I???m hearing a strong beacon from Kansas. 
>DXmaps.com has red all over :) At times like 
>this it pays to jump on 6 meters. 73, Wayne N6KR 
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From n6kr at elecraft.com  Thu Jun 22 13:30:34 2017
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2017 10:30:34 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] 6 meters open this morning; listening 50.095 (CW)
In-Reply-To: <594bfe64.4e2c630a.b9552.af65SMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com>
References: <905FD3DB-18CF-41A1-8AE9-BC926F9AB9E1@elecraft.com>
	<594bfe64.4e2c630a.b9552.af65SMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <299AD87A-C001-4A11-AA66-28F44784DDAC@elecraft.com>

Wow! I need a better antenna....

Wayne


> On Jun 22, 2017, at 10:28 AM, Ken Arck <ken at arcomcontrollers.com> wrote:
> 
> I have 16 countries on 6 meters (and 82 on 2 meters!)
> 
> Ken
> 
> 
> At 10:09 AM 6/22/2017, Wayne Burdick wrote:
>> Just had a quick QSO with K7CW in CN87, and I???m hearing a strong beacon from Kansas. DXmaps.com has red all over :) At times like this it pays to jump on 6 meters. 73, Wayne N6KR




From RLVZ at aol.com  Thu Jun 22 13:31:45 2017
From: RLVZ at aol.com (RLVZ at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2017 13:31:45 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S USB audio output needs to be adjustable in Menu
Message-ID: <9e2c7.5d9276dc.467d5901@aol.com>

Hello Elecraft,
 
When feeding the audio from the K3S USB port to the CPU, the K3S audio  
level is extremely high and way too hot for good performance  on many digital 
modes.  
 
Example, even with my CPU's sound card set at the lowest possible level of  
"01" my K3S is hitting the JT-65 software with a super strong signal that 
is  much higher than the software wants to see and performance is degraded.   
The same is true when operating RTTY using MMTTY or 2Tone software.
 
The USB audio output on the K3S needs to be adjustable in the K3S Menu as  
it was on the K3 Serial port.
 
I wrote to you a few months ago about this without a positive  reply.  
Please address this serious issue.
 
Thank you-
 
Richard Van Zandt- K9OM
 
 
 
In a message dated 6/2/2017 7:28:48 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
elecraft-request at mailman.qth.net writes:

If you  are using Line Out with a fixed gain setting to feed audio to
WSJT-X,  adjusting the AF control will not do anything. What I do is leave
my RF  gain control at its normal position (around 3 o'clock) and use the
slider  at the lower left in the WSJT-X window to compensate for  gain
variations.

73,
Rich VE3KI

W3FPR wrote:

>  Bret,
>
> You may have better luck with running the RF Gain full  and adjusting
> with the AF gain.  That way the RX AGC will smooth  out variations in the
> signal level.
>
> 73,
> Don  W3FPR


From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Thu Jun 22 13:38:57 2017
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2017 12:38:57 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S USB audio output needs to be adjustable in Menu
In-Reply-To: <9e2c7.5d9276dc.467d5901@aol.com>
References: <9e2c7.5d9276dc.467d5901@aol.com>
Message-ID: <3dd29533-323c-ef15-d15c-e40b2ae8b286@blomand.net>

See the CONFIG Menu, LIN OUT to adjust level.  Normal is 010.

73

Bob, K4TAX

K3S S/N 10163


On 6/22/2017 12:31 PM, Dick via Elecraft wrote:
> Hello Elecraft,
>   
> When feeding the audio from the K3S USB port to the CPU, the K3S audio
> level is extremely high and way too hot for good performance  on many digital
> modes.
>   
> Example, even with my CPU's sound card set at the lowest possible level of
> "01" my K3S is hitting the JT-65 software with a super strong signal that
> is  much higher than the software wants to see and performance is degraded.
> The same is true when operating RTTY using MMTTY or 2Tone software.
>   
> The USB audio output on the K3S needs to be adjustable in the K3S Menu as
> it was on the K3 Serial port.
>   
> I wrote to you a few months ago about this without a positive  reply.
> Please address this serious issue.
>   
> Thank you-
>   
> Richard Van Zandt- K9OM
>   
>   
>   
> In a message dated 6/2/2017 7:28:48 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
> elecraft-request at mailman.qth.net writes:
>
> If you  are using Line Out with a fixed gain setting to feed audio to
> WSJT-X,  adjusting the AF control will not do anything. What I do is leave
> my RF  gain control at its normal position (around 3 o'clock) and use the
> slider  at the lower left in the WSJT-X window to compensate for  gain
> variations.
>
> 73,
> Rich VE3KI
>
> W3FPR wrote:
>
>>   Bret,
>>
>> You may have better luck with running the RF Gain full  and adjusting
>> with the AF gain.  That way the RX AGC will smooth  out variations in the
>> signal level.
>>
>> 73,
>> Don  W3FPR
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From lmarion at mt.net  Thu Jun 22 13:52:48 2017
From: lmarion at mt.net (lmarion)
Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2017 11:52:48 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] 6 meters open this morning; listening 50.095 (CW)
In-Reply-To: <299AD87A-C001-4A11-AA66-28F44784DDAC@elecraft.com>
References: <905FD3DB-18CF-41A1-8AE9-BC926F9AB9E1@elecraft.com><594bfe64.4e2c630a.b9552.af65SMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com>
	<299AD87A-C001-4A11-AA66-28F44784DDAC@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <BFCE69B9A37A4BEC932AE99FFF5A91E8@LeroyPC>

a small three element beam works wonders on 6M

Leroy AB7CE

-----Original Message----- 
From: Wayne Burdick
Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2017 11:30 AM
To: Ken Arck
Cc: Elecraft Reflector
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] 6 meters open this morning; listening 50.095 (CW)

Wow! I need a better antenna....

Wayne


> On Jun 22, 2017, at 10:28 AM, Ken Arck <ken at arcomcontrollers.com> wrote:
>
> I have 16 countries on 6 meters (and 82 on 2 meters!)
>
> Ken
>
>
> At 10:09 AM 6/22/2017, Wayne Burdick wrote:
>> Just had a quick QSO with K7CW in CN87, and I???m hearing a strong beacon 
>> from Kansas. DXmaps.com has red all over :) At times like this it pays to 
>> jump on 6 meters. 73, Wayne N6KR



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From cautery at montac.com  Thu Jun 22 13:56:33 2017
From: cautery at montac.com (Clay Autery)
Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2017 12:56:33 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Roofing Filters
In-Reply-To: <1A8054F4-2F71-4B66-B49A-7F29959F409D@elecraft.com>
References: <fd7e34f7-f671-9d0a-53ba-80d786321839@horizon.co.fk>
	<73b8ef8c-6a36-27d8-cebb-3e094803d631@montac.com>
	<FA08C485-E903-47A4-8289-B072056867F2@gmail.com>
	<1A8054F4-2F71-4B66-B49A-7F29959F409D@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <a845d846-f322-086c-6bfc-76df3496b923@montac.com>

hence my earlier statement:

"I'll be getting mine from Elecraft directly."

Thousands of dollars in radio fear and people risk niggling problems and
time wasted over a few bucks...  Just simply doesn't make sense to me.

73,

______________________
Clay Autery, KY5G

On 6/22/2017 11:54 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
> Yes. We screen every INRAD filter. Those that don?t meet our dynamic range targets are rejected.
>
> Wayne
> N6KR
>
>
>> On Jun 22, 2017, at 9:46 AM, Vic Rosenthal <k2vco.vic at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I recall Wayne saying that Elecraft tested filters received from INRAD for some specific performance characteristics. I don't remember the details.
>>
>> Vic 4X6GP 
>>
>>> On 22 Jun 2017, at 17:14, Clay Autery <cautery at montac.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> INRAD makes Elecraft's filters as I understand it...
>>>
>>> I'll be getting mine from Elecraft directly.
>>>
>>> ______________________
>>> Clay Autery, KY5G

From kengkopp at gmail.com  Thu Jun 22 14:02:09 2017
From: kengkopp at gmail.com (Ken G Kopp)
Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2017 12:02:09 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] 6 meters open this morning; listening 50.095 (CW)
In-Reply-To: <BFCE69B9A37A4BEC932AE99FFF5A91E8@LeroyPC>
References: <905FD3DB-18CF-41A1-8AE9-BC926F9AB9E1@elecraft.com>
	<594bfe64.4e2c630a.b9552.af65SMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com>
	<299AD87A-C001-4A11-AA66-28F44784DDAC@elecraft.com>
	<BFCE69B9A37A4BEC932AE99FFF5A91E8@LeroyPC>
Message-ID: <CAD4CdTNgC=gC6H-khMetdH10Dujfcbim0k-sqyp-xHmzbUPaRQ@mail.gmail.com>

I keep a 6M GP ... actually a 2M 5/8 wave vertical ... connected to my
K3's 2nd receiver antenna input (only) and monitoring 50.125 all the time.
The 2nd receiver is worth the investment for this purpose alone, IMO.

73!

Ken Kopp - K0PP

>
>

From va3mw at portcredit.net  Thu Jun 22 14:04:12 2017
From: va3mw at portcredit.net (Michael Walker)
Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2017 14:04:12 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Roofing Filters
In-Reply-To: <a845d846-f322-086c-6bfc-76df3496b923@montac.com>
References: <fd7e34f7-f671-9d0a-53ba-80d786321839@horizon.co.fk>
	<73b8ef8c-6a36-27d8-cebb-3e094803d631@montac.com>
	<FA08C485-E903-47A4-8289-B072056867F2@gmail.com>
	<1A8054F4-2F71-4B66-B49A-7F29959F409D@elecraft.com>
	<a845d846-f322-086c-6bfc-76df3496b923@montac.com>
Message-ID: <CA+33ts6PptYdJu7kTjeMeon_taj_c8vfy8pMLW5LtUdUXhS+aQ@mail.gmail.com>

Actually, it is just human nature to do that.  For some, every penny counts.

Mike va3mw

On Thu, Jun 22, 2017 at 1:56 PM, Clay Autery <cautery at montac.com> wrote:

> hence my earlier statement:
>
> "I'll be getting mine from Elecraft directly."
>
> Thousands of dollars in radio fear and people risk niggling problems and
> time wasted over a few bucks...  Just simply doesn't make sense to me.
>
> 73,
>
> ______________________
> Clay Autery, KY5G
>
> On 6/22/2017 11:54 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
> > Yes. We screen every INRAD filter. Those that don?t meet our dynamic
> range targets are rejected.
> >
> > Wayne
> > N6KR
> >
> >
> >> On Jun 22, 2017, at 9:46 AM, Vic Rosenthal <k2vco.vic at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> I recall Wayne saying that Elecraft tested filters received from INRAD
> for some specific performance characteristics. I don't remember the details.
> >>
> >> Vic 4X6GP
> >>
> >>> On 22 Jun 2017, at 17:14, Clay Autery <cautery at montac.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> INRAD makes Elecraft's filters as I understand it...
> >>>
> >>> I'll be getting mine from Elecraft directly.
> >>>
> >>> ______________________
> >>> Clay Autery, KY5G
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From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Thu Jun 22 14:17:15 2017
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2017 11:17:15 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] 6 meters open this morning; listening 50.095 (CW)
In-Reply-To: <905FD3DB-18CF-41A1-8AE9-BC926F9AB9E1@elecraft.com>
References: <905FD3DB-18CF-41A1-8AE9-BC926F9AB9E1@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <e4aeb82b-5148-9f75-d758-66cc990dfe10@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On Thu,6/22/2017 10:09 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
> Just had a quick QSO with K7CW in CN87, and I?m hearing a strong beacon from Kansas. DXmaps.com has red all over:)

I heard you CQing and spotted you.

73, Jim K9YC


From cautery at montac.com  Thu Jun 22 14:24:10 2017
From: cautery at montac.com (Clay Autery)
Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2017 13:24:10 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Roofing Filters
In-Reply-To: <CA+33ts6PptYdJu7kTjeMeon_taj_c8vfy8pMLW5LtUdUXhS+aQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <fd7e34f7-f671-9d0a-53ba-80d786321839@horizon.co.fk>
	<73b8ef8c-6a36-27d8-cebb-3e094803d631@montac.com>
	<FA08C485-E903-47A4-8289-B072056867F2@gmail.com>
	<1A8054F4-2F71-4B66-B49A-7F29959F409D@elecraft.com>
	<a845d846-f322-086c-6bfc-76df3496b923@montac.com>
	<CA+33ts6PptYdJu7kTjeMeon_taj_c8vfy8pMLW5LtUdUXhS+aQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <94173a9c-6941-3d8b-781e-7d7b5031dd64@montac.com>

Get what you are saying but I go by what my Dad taught me...

RE: Tools
"Son, Buy the best tool you can find for each job.  Save up if you have
to.  If you can't afford to buy the tool once, you surely can't afford
to buy it twice."

I apply that rule to tools, equipment, cabling, et al.... because ALL of
those things and more are merely "tools" for me to accomplish some
task.  Works for me and less expensive in the long run.

73,

______________________
Clay Autery, KY5G
MONTAC Enterprises
(318) 518-1389

On 6/22/2017 1:04 PM, Michael Walker wrote:
> Actually, it is just human nature to do that.  For some, every penny counts.
>
> Mike va3mw
>
> On Thu, Jun 22, 2017 at 1:56 PM, Clay Autery <cautery at montac.com> wrote:
>
>> hence my earlier statement:
>>
>> "I'll be getting mine from Elecraft directly."
>>
>> Thousands of dollars in radio fear and people risk niggling problems and
>> time wasted over a few bucks...  Just simply doesn't make sense to me.
>>
>> 73,
>>
>> ______________________
>> Clay Autery, KY5G
>>
>> On 6/22/2017 11:54 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
>>> Yes. We screen every INRAD filter. Those that don?t meet our dynamic
>> range targets are rejected.
>>> Wayne
>>> N6KR
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Jun 22, 2017, at 9:46 AM, Vic Rosenthal <k2vco.vic at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I recall Wayne saying that Elecraft tested filters received from INRAD
>> for some specific performance characteristics. I don't remember the details.
>>>> Vic 4X6GP
>>>>
>>>>> On 22 Jun 2017, at 17:14, Clay Autery <cautery at montac.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> INRAD makes Elecraft's filters as I understand it...
>>>>>
>>>>> I'll be getting mine from Elecraft directly.
>>>>>
>>>>> ______________________
>>>>> Clay Autery, KY5G
>> ______________________________________________________________
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From paul.wilton at tesco.net  Thu Jun 22 14:30:48 2017
From: paul.wilton at tesco.net (Paul Wilton)
Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2017 19:30:48 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S, P3 and USB Audio
In-Reply-To: <258559ea-4cc0-95da-7acc-9e70b62d7fce@embarqmail.com>
References: <C81BB108-CAA8-4AAC-B846-98A05B6CE0B7@tesco.net>
	<258559ea-4cc0-95da-7acc-9e70b62d7fce@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <7A55D825-EE60-4696-BD90-B0F3E9DE17CC@tesco.net>

Thanks Don.  I did some more experimentation this evening and managed to get both functions working OK. ie CAT via Serial and audio via USB

73


Paul
M1CNK
_________________________



> On 21 Jun 2017, at 23:10, Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Paul,
> 
> I don't know whether you can use the USB soundcard provision of the K3S while using some other RS-232 port connected to the P3 and through the RJ-45 to RS232 'dongle' at the same time.  But my thought is that they are separate, the soundcard function is just like any external USB soundcard.
> 
> I think you *should* be able to do that, but just keep in mind which COM port is connected to your USB to RS-232 adapter and which one is the one in the K3S.  The USB port FTDI will likely still show up in the computer Device Manager.  Note the COM port number and do not use it to connect with N1MM.
> Do not set the K3S RS-232 menu to USB, set it to 38,400 instead.
> 
> You might want to try something more simplistic than N1MM first (like K3 Utility) to verify that the PC to P3/K3 connection works.
> 
> Once you can verify communications with K3 Utility, then try N1MM.
> 
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 6/21/2017 5:27 PM, Paul Wilton wrote:
>> I?m trying to set up a borrowed K3S plus P3 for a club contest using a laptop.  The problem I have is I don?t have the CBLP3Y cable to connect the K3S to the P3, I only have the E980297 cable that connected a K3 to a P3 (the single ended RJ45 to 9 way D).
>> Question - if I connect up the K3S and P3 via serial, can I still use USB for audio?


From raysills3 at verizon.net  Thu Jun 22 15:08:13 2017
From: raysills3 at verizon.net (Raymond Sills)
Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2017 15:08:13 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] 6 meters open this morning; listening 50.095 (CW)
In-Reply-To: <905FD3DB-18CF-41A1-8AE9-BC926F9AB9E1@elecraft.com>
References: <905FD3DB-18CF-41A1-8AE9-BC926F9AB9E1@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <15cd1346e67-1a66-26c5f@webprd-m60.mail.aol.com>

That's telling me that six meters could be a valuable band during Field Day.  Consider having at least a dipole antenna that can to put into service.  If the E-clouds are active, participants could pick up quite a few points in a band that has lots of room.  The "skip" moves around a lot, but FD QSOs are short, so it could be a very productive band.  And you don't need power.. QRP is often as good as QRO.


73 de Ray
K2ULR
KX3 #211



-----Original Message-----
From: Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com>
To: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Thu, Jun 22, 2017 1:11 pm
Subject: [Elecraft] 6 meters open this morning; listening 50.095 (CW)

Just had a quick QSO with K7CW in CN87, and I?m hearing a strong beacon from Kansas. DXmaps.com has red all over :)At times like this it pays to jump on 6 meters. 73,WayneN6KR______________________________________________________________Elecraft mailing listHome: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraftHelp: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htmPost: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.netThis list hosted by: http://www.qsl.netPlease help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.htmlMessage delivered to raysills3 at verizon.net

From K2TK at att.net  Thu Jun 22 15:12:42 2017
From: K2TK at att.net (Bob)
Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2017 15:12:42 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Roofing Filters
In-Reply-To: <1A8054F4-2F71-4B66-B49A-7F29959F409D@elecraft.com>
References: <fd7e34f7-f671-9d0a-53ba-80d786321839@horizon.co.fk>
	<73b8ef8c-6a36-27d8-cebb-3e094803d631@montac.com>
	<FA08C485-E903-47A4-8289-B072056867F2@gmail.com>
	<1A8054F4-2F71-4B66-B49A-7F29959F409D@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <0ecf3c4f-368f-7340-e6b0-ed7eba800720@att.net>

Hi Wayne,

         Could you elaborate on "dynamic range" in crystal filters?  A quick 
search did not yield a definition.  A SWAG might be another term for ultimate 
rejection or it with ripple in the passband...

         Just curious.

73,
Bob
K2TK ex KN2TKR (1956) & K2TKR


On 6/22/2017 12:54 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
> Yes. We screen every INRAD filter. Those that don?t meet our dynamic range targets are rejected.
> 
> Wayne
> N6KR
> 
> 
>> On Jun 22, 2017, at 9:46 AM, Vic Rosenthal <k2vco.vic at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I recall Wayne saying that Elecraft tested filters received from INRAD for some specific performance characteristics. I don't remember the details.
>>
>> Vic 4X6GP
>>
>>> On 22 Jun 2017, at 17:14, Clay Autery <cautery at montac.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> INRAD makes Elecraft's filters as I understand it...
>>>
>>> I'll be getting mine from Elecraft directly.
>>>
>>> ______________________
>>> Clay Autery, KY5G

From n6kr at elecraft.com  Thu Jun 22 15:48:56 2017
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2017 12:48:56 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] 6 meters open this morning; listening 50.095 (CW)
In-Reply-To: <15cd1346e67-1a66-26c5f@webprd-m60.mail.aol.com>
References: <905FD3DB-18CF-41A1-8AE9-BC926F9AB9E1@elecraft.com>
	<15cd1346e67-1a66-26c5f@webprd-m60.mail.aol.com>
Message-ID: <C65EBA84-0E87-45DD-AF10-744C69332D58@elecraft.com>

If you have a K3, K3S, or KX3, with the built-in auto tuner, then any antenna is a 6 m antenna :-)

Wayne 
N6KR


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> On Jun 22, 2017, at 12:08 PM, Raymond Sills <raysills3 at verizon.net> wrote:
> 
> That's telling me that six meters could be a valuable band during Field Day.  Consider having at least a dipole antenna that can to put into service.  If the E-clouds are active, participants could pick up quite a few points in a band that has lots of room.  The "skip" moves around a lot, but FD QSOs are short, so it could be a very productive band.  And you don't need power.. QRP is often as good as QRO.
> 
> 
> 73 de Ray
> K2ULR
> KX3 #211
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com>
> To: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Sent: Thu, Jun 22, 2017 1:11 pm
> Subject: [Elecraft] 6 meters open this morning; listening 50.095 (CW)
> 
> Just had a quick QSO with K7CW in CN87, and I?m hearing a strong beacon from Kansas. DXmaps.com has red all over :)At times like this it pays to jump on 6 meters. 73,WayneN6KR______________________________________________________________Elecraft mailing listHome: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraftHelp: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htmPost: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.netThis list hosted by: http://www.qsl.netPlease help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.htmlMessage delivered to raysills3 at verizon.net
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From tomb18 at videotron.ca  Thu Jun 22 16:06:03 2017
From: tomb18 at videotron.ca (tomb18)
Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2017 16:06:03 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] 6 meters open this morning; listening 50.095 (CW)
Message-ID: <21da5c01100ac9944931e0e33b330192@smtp.videotron.ca>

BiHmmm, not my minibeam...a cushceaft ma5b.. Can't tune that at 6mTomva2fsq.com?


Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
-------- Original message --------From: Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com> Date: 2017-06-22  3:48 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: Raymond Sills <raysills3 at verizon.net> Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] 6 meters open this morning; listening 50.095 (CW) 
If you have a K3, K3S, or KX3, with the built-in auto tuner, then any antenna is a 6 m antenna :-)

Wayne 
N6KR


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> On Jun 22, 2017, at 12:08 PM, Raymond Sills <raysills3 at verizon.net> wrote:
> 
> That's telling me that six meters could be a valuable band during Field Day.? Consider having at least a dipole antenna that can to put into service.? If the E-clouds are active, participants could pick up quite a few points in a band that has lots of room.? The "skip" moves around a lot, but FD QSOs are short, so it could be a very productive band.? And you don't need power.. QRP is often as good as QRO.
> 
> 
> 73 de Ray
> K2ULR
> KX3 #211
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com>
> To: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Sent: Thu, Jun 22, 2017 1:11 pm
> Subject: [Elecraft] 6 meters open this morning; listening 50.095 (CW)
> 
> Just had a quick QSO with K7CW in CN87, and I?m hearing a strong beacon from Kansas. DXmaps.com has red all over :)At times like this it pays to jump on 6 meters. 73,WayneN6KR______________________________________________________________Elecraft mailing listHome: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraftHelp: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htmPost: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.netThis list hosted by: http://www.qsl.netPlease help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.htmlMessage delivered to raysills3 at verizon.net
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From n6kr at elecraft.com  Thu Jun 22 16:08:41 2017
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2017 13:08:41 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] 6 meters open this morning; listening 50.095 (CW)
In-Reply-To: <21da5c01100ac9944931e0e33b330192@smtp.videotron.ca>
References: <21da5c01100ac9944931e0e33b330192@smtp.videotron.ca>
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It's probably pretty narrow-banded. Did you try tapping ATU TUNE a second time within five seconds? The tuner tries about twice as many settings when you do that.

73,
Wayne
N6KR. 

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> On Jun 22, 2017, at 1:06 PM, tomb18 <tomb18 at videotron.ca> wrote:
> 
> Bi
> Hmmm, not my minibeam...a cushceaft ma5b.. Can't tune that at 6m
> Tom
> va2fsq.com 
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
> 
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com>
> Date: 2017-06-22 3:48 PM (GMT-05:00)
> To: Raymond Sills <raysills3 at verizon.net>
> Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] 6 meters open this morning; listening 50.095 (CW)
> 
> If you have a K3, K3S, or KX3, with the built-in auto tuner, then any antenna is a 6 m antenna :-)
> 
> Wayne 
> N6KR
> 
> 
> ----
> http://www.elecraft.com
> 
> > On Jun 22, 2017, at 12:08 PM, Raymond Sills <raysills3 at verizon.net> wrote:
> > 
> > That's telling me that six meters could be a valuable band during Field Day.  Consider having at least a dipole antenna that can to put into service.  If the E-clouds are active, participants could pick up quite a few points in a band that has lots of room.  The "skip" moves around a lot, but FD QSOs are short, so it could be a very productive band.  And you don't need power.. QRP is often as good as QRO.
> > 
> > 
> > 73 de Ray
> > K2ULR
> > KX3 #211
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com>
> > To: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> > Sent: Thu, Jun 22, 2017 1:11 pm
> > Subject: [Elecraft] 6 meters open this morning; listening 50.095 (CW)
> > 
> > Just had a quick QSO with K7CW in CN87, and I?m hearing a strong beacon from Kansas. DXmaps.com has red all over :)At times like this it pays to jump on 6 meters. 73,WayneN6KR______________________________________________________________Elecraft mailing listHome: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraftHelp: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htmPost: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.netThis list hosted by: http://www.qsl.netPlease help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.htmlMessage delivered to raysills3 at verizon.net
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From lists at subich.com  Thu Jun 22 16:20:38 2017
From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV)
Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2017 16:20:38 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Roofing Filters
In-Reply-To: <0ecf3c4f-368f-7340-e6b0-ed7eba800720@att.net>
References: <fd7e34f7-f671-9d0a-53ba-80d786321839@horizon.co.fk>
	<73b8ef8c-6a36-27d8-cebb-3e094803d631@montac.com>
	<FA08C485-E903-47A4-8289-B072056867F2@gmail.com>
	<1A8054F4-2F71-4B66-B49A-7F29959F409D@elecraft.com>
	<0ecf3c4f-368f-7340-e6b0-ed7eba800720@att.net>
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 >          Could you elaborate on "dynamic range" in crystal filters?

All crystals have imperfections (flaws).  Those flaws create distortion
when the crystal is driven with a high level signal and the distortion
(non-linear response) results in intermodulation distortion (IMD).

The K3/K3S operates the crystal filter at a higher level than many other
receivers.  Thus, testing the filters for linearity at the maximum
signal level (equivalent to S9 +40 dB - where the hardware AGC engages)
is important to assure the best possible performance over the entire
operating range of the K3/K3S.

73,

    ... Joe, W4TV


On 6/22/2017 3:12 PM, Bob wrote:
> Hi Wayne,
> 
>          Could you elaborate on "dynamic range" in crystal filters?  A 
> quick search did not yield a definition.  A SWAG might be another term 
> for ultimate rejection or it with ripple in the passband...
> 
>          Just curious.
> 
> 73,
> Bob
> K2TK ex KN2TKR (1956) & K2TKR
> 
> 
> On 6/22/2017 12:54 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
>> Yes. We screen every INRAD filter. Those that don?t meet our dynamic 
>> range targets are rejected.
>>
>> Wayne
>> N6KR
>>
>>
>>> On Jun 22, 2017, at 9:46 AM, Vic Rosenthal <k2vco.vic at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I recall Wayne saying that Elecraft tested filters received from 
>>> INRAD for some specific performance characteristics. I don't remember 
>>> the details.
>>>
>>> Vic 4X6GP
>>>
>>>> On 22 Jun 2017, at 17:14, Clay Autery <cautery at montac.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> INRAD makes Elecraft's filters as I understand it...
>>>>
>>>> I'll be getting mine from Elecraft directly.
>>>>
>>>> ______________________
>>>> Clay Autery, KY5G
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From tomb18 at videotron.ca  Thu Jun 22 16:48:02 2017
From: tomb18 at videotron.ca (tomb18)
Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2017 16:48:02 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] 6 meters open this morning; listening 50.095 (CW)
Message-ID: <8724ed287c1490339bb142655dd4794f@smtp.videotron.ca>

YesBut it's funny because other people seem to be able to tune the antenna on 6.Oh well, I'm in the process of making a 6m vertical dipole.?73 Tom?


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-------- Original message --------From: Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com> Date: 2017-06-22  4:08 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: tomb18 <tomb18 at videotron.ca> Cc: Raymond Sills <raysills3 at verizon.net>, elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] 6 meters open this morning; listening 50.095 (CW) 
It's probably pretty narrow-banded. Did you try tapping ATU TUNE a second time within five seconds? The tuner tries about twice as many settings when you do that.

73,
Wayne
N6KR.?
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On Jun 22, 2017, at 1:06 PM, tomb18 <tomb18 at videotron.ca> wrote:

BiHmmm, not my minibeam...a cushceaft ma5b.. Can't tune that at 6mTomva2fsq.com?


Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
-------- Original message --------From: Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com> Date: 2017-06-22  3:48 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: Raymond Sills <raysills3 at verizon.net> Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] 6 meters open this morning; listening 50.095 (CW) 
If you have a K3, K3S, or KX3, with the built-in auto tuner, then any antenna is a 6 m antenna :-)

Wayne 
N6KR


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> On Jun 22, 2017, at 12:08 PM, Raymond Sills <raysills3 at verizon.net> wrote:
> 
> That's telling me that six meters could be a valuable band during Field Day.? Consider having at least a dipole antenna that can to put into service.? If the E-clouds are active, participants could pick up quite a few points in a band that has lots of room.? The "skip" moves around a lot, but FD QSOs are short, so it could be a very productive band.? And you don't need power.. QRP is often as good as QRO.
> 
> 
> 73 de Ray
> K2ULR
> KX3 #211
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com>
> To: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Sent: Thu, Jun 22, 2017 1:11 pm
> Subject: [Elecraft] 6 meters open this morning; listening 50.095 (CW)
> 
> Just had a quick QSO with K7CW in CN87, and I?m hearing a strong beacon from Kansas. DXmaps.com has red all over :)At times like this it pays to jump on 6 meters. 73,WayneN6KR______________________________________________________________Elecraft mailing listHome: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraftHelp: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htmPost: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.netThis list hosted by: http://www.qsl.netPlease help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.htmlMessage delivered to raysills3 at verizon.net
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From k4ie_tom at yahoo.com  Thu Jun 22 17:01:50 2017
From: k4ie_tom at yahoo.com (Tom Fitzpatrick)
Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2017 21:01:50 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] RTTY with K3
References: <2042474857.4447760.1498165310422.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <2042474857.4447760.1498165310422@mail.yahoo.com>

Trying to set up RTTY on the K3. Receive working fine using MMTTY. Hooked USB from computer through USB/Serial converter and plugged through an opto-isolator adapter to the ACC plug for FSK. It doesn't key the rig and no keying is coming through. I've tried 2 different USB/Serial converters. Seems I read somewhere there's a special one (expensive) that is the only one that will work?

Tom, K4IE

From n6kr at elecraft.com  Thu Jun 22 17:24:34 2017
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2017 14:24:34 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Roofing Filters
In-Reply-To: <574cad81-cee1-ff00-cf94-5db40b313b58@subich.com>
References: <fd7e34f7-f671-9d0a-53ba-80d786321839@horizon.co.fk>
	<73b8ef8c-6a36-27d8-cebb-3e094803d631@montac.com>
	<FA08C485-E903-47A4-8289-B072056867F2@gmail.com>
	<1A8054F4-2F71-4B66-B49A-7F29959F409D@elecraft.com>
	<0ecf3c4f-368f-7340-e6b0-ed7eba800720@att.net>
	<574cad81-cee1-ff00-cf94-5db40b313b58@subich.com>
Message-ID: <440CD99A-24BA-4608-BBA6-9477F3EC84E5@elecraft.com>

We actually test at higher levels than this. 

The hardware AGC is *after* the crystal filter. Gain control prior to the filter is in discrete steps under control of the user: preamps and attenuator sections.

Wayne
N6KR



> On Jun 22, 2017, at 1:20 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV <lists at subich.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> >          Could you elaborate on "dynamic range" in crystal filters?
> 
> All crystals have imperfections (flaws).  Those flaws create distortion
> when the crystal is driven with a high level signal and the distortion
> (non-linear response) results in intermodulation distortion (IMD).
> 
> The K3/K3S operates the crystal filter at a higher level than many other
> receivers.  Thus, testing the filters for linearity at the maximum
> signal level (equivalent to S9 +40 dB - where the hardware AGC engages)
> is important to assure the best possible performance over the entire
> operating range of the K3/K3S.
> 
> 73,
> 
>   ... Joe, W4TV
> 
> 
> On 6/22/2017 3:12 PM, Bob wrote:
>> Hi Wayne,
>>         Could you elaborate on "dynamic range" in crystal filters?  A quick search did not yield a definition.  A SWAG might be another term for ultimate rejection or it with ripple in the passband...
>>         Just curious.
>> 73,
>> Bob
>> K2TK ex KN2TKR (1956) & K2TKR
>> On 6/22/2017 12:54 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
>>> Yes. We screen every INRAD filter. Those that don?t meet our dynamic range targets are rejected.
>>> 
>>> Wayne
>>> N6KR
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Jun 22, 2017, at 9:46 AM, Vic Rosenthal <k2vco.vic at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I recall Wayne saying that Elecraft tested filters received from INRAD for some specific performance characteristics. I don't remember the details.
>>>> 
>>>> Vic 4X6GP
>>>> 
>>>>> On 22 Jun 2017, at 17:14, Clay Autery <cautery at montac.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> INRAD makes Elecraft's filters as I understand it...
>>>>> 
>>>>> I'll be getting mine from Elecraft directly.
>>>>> 
>>>>> ______________________
>>>>> Clay Autery, KY5G
>> ______________________________________________________________
>> Elecraft mailing list
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From lists at subich.com  Thu Jun 22 17:39:14 2017
From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV)
Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2017 17:39:14 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] RTTY with K3
In-Reply-To: <2042474857.4447760.1498165310422@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <2042474857.4447760.1498165310422.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<2042474857.4447760.1498165310422@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <6927899e-9a75-6d6e-0633-75780d6fb1b4@subich.com>


Are you trying to use the USB to serial converter as a serial port
(COM# in MMTTY's FSK & PTT Port) or are you using EXTFSK/EXTFSK64?

I know of only one manufacturer of USB to serial converter ("Edgeport")
that works at the serial rate required for standard RTTY.

What version of MMMTTY are you trying to set up?   I recommend you
download the most recent version of MMTTY (1.70K) and study the Help
file information on FSK (with EXTFSK/EXTFSK64).

73,

    ... Joe, W4TV


On 6/22/2017 5:01 PM, Tom Fitzpatrick via Elecraft wrote:
> Trying to set up RTTY on the K3. Receive working fine using MMTTY. Hooked USB from computer through USB/Serial converter and plugged through an opto-isolator adapter to the ACC plug for FSK. It doesn't key the rig and no keying is coming through. I've tried 2 different USB/Serial converters. Seems I read somewhere there's a special one (expensive) that is the only one that will work?
> 
> Tom, K4IE
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From alsopb at comcast.net  Thu Jun 22 17:46:49 2017
From: alsopb at comcast.net (brian)
Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2017 21:46:49 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 PREAMP2
Message-ID: <594C3AC9.3070006@comcast.net>

I use an SDR based panadapter (ROCKY) on the subrx.

I've noticed the following on all bands 15-6 when switching in preamps.

Noise floor no preamp = x
Noise floor with preamp 1 = x to x+1 dB
Noise floor with preamp 2 = X+10 to X+15 dB.

Would have expected the noise floor with preamp 2 to be about x.

What's going on?

73 de Brian/K3KO

From k6dgw at foothill.net  Thu Jun 22 17:57:42 2017
From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen)
Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2017 14:57:42 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] 6 meters open this morning; listening 50.095 (CW)
In-Reply-To: <C65EBA84-0E87-45DD-AF10-744C69332D58@elecraft.com>
References: <905FD3DB-18CF-41A1-8AE9-BC926F9AB9E1@elecraft.com>
	<15cd1346e67-1a66-26c5f@webprd-m60.mail.aol.com>
	<C65EBA84-0E87-45DD-AF10-744C69332D58@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <2db5cce8-3d3a-3f80-64d4-9d046de9b082@foothill.net>

Well... I have an 80-10 End Fed on the top of the wood fence.  My KAT3 
easily tunes it to 6 meters with 1.1:1 SWR, however I've heard nothing 
except NW Reno [~10 mi], which probably wasn't Es.  Two reasons come to 
mind:

1.  The antenna is one-way on 6 meters

2.  Es is very selective as to location and apparently it isn't 
selecting Sparks NV.

73,

Fred ("Skip") K6DGW
Sparks NV USA
Washoe County DM09dn

On 6/22/2017 12:48 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
> If you have a K3, K3S, or KX3, with the built-in auto tuner, then any antenna is a 6 m antenna :-)
>
> Wayne
> N6KR
>


From scott.small at gmail.com  Thu Jun 22 18:18:39 2017
From: scott.small at gmail.com (Tox)
Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2017 15:18:39 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] RTTY with K3
In-Reply-To: <6927899e-9a75-6d6e-0633-75780d6fb1b4@subich.com>
References: <2042474857.4447760.1498165310422.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<2042474857.4447760.1498165310422@mail.yahoo.com>
	<6927899e-9a75-6d6e-0633-75780d6fb1b4@subich.com>
Message-ID: <CADkB6Uq3WHQYxYZOpPntc56uMZKP_kGVjm3=sTGv5eTVBwAy-w@mail.gmail.com>

TrippLite Keyspan model USA-19HS should work, is about $25, has solid
drivers for both windows and mac, and can help you program arduinos if that
becomes interesting.

Tox
AD6YT

On Thu, Jun 22, 2017 at 2:39 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV <lists at subich.com> wrote:

>
> Are you trying to use the USB to serial converter as a serial port
> (COM# in MMTTY's FSK & PTT Port) or are you using EXTFSK/EXTFSK64?
>
> I know of only one manufacturer of USB to serial converter ("Edgeport")
> that works at the serial rate required for standard RTTY.
>
> What version of MMMTTY are you trying to set up?   I recommend you
> download the most recent version of MMTTY (1.70K) and study the Help
> file information on FSK (with EXTFSK/EXTFSK64).
>
> 73,
>
>    ... Joe, W4TV
>
>
> On 6/22/2017 5:01 PM, Tom Fitzpatrick via Elecraft wrote:
>
>> Trying to set up RTTY on the K3. Receive working fine using MMTTY. Hooked
>> USB from computer through USB/Serial converter and plugged through an
>> opto-isolator adapter to the ACC plug for FSK. It doesn't key the rig and
>> no keying is coming through. I've tried 2 different USB/Serial converters.
>> Seems I read somewhere there's a special one (expensive) that is the only
>> one that will work?
>>
>> Tom, K4IE
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From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Thu Jun 22 18:46:26 2017
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2017 18:46:26 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] RTTY with K3
In-Reply-To: <2042474857.4447760.1498165310422@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <2042474857.4447760.1498165310422.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<2042474857.4447760.1498165310422@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <edeb2af8-1ac5-de86-cc8c-4b09073fabb5@embarqmail.com>

Tom,

Many USB to serial adapters do not work at slower speeds, and the FSK 
input to the K3 is at a slow speed (the baud rate for RTTY is slow).

The Edgeport USB to serial converters seem to work well at any speed (I 
have the 4 port converter).  Note that there is an apparent difference 
between "converter" and "adapter".

If you do not wish to purchase another adapter (converter), you might 
want to set the K3 up for AFSK-A and use your soundcard to both the K3 
LINE IN and LINE OUT - just set the audio levels as you would for any 
other soundcard data mode - 4 bars solid on the K3 ALC meter with the 
5th bar flashing.

Once the audio levels are set, you should not have to touch them during 
operation.  An external soundcard is best as long as it is not set to be 
the default soundcard in your computer - if it is, turn off any sounds 
from your Operating System.

You do have a soundcard that you are using for the RTTY decode, use the 
same one.

AFSK-A is as good as FSK-D, and may give even better IMD performance.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 6/22/2017 5:01 PM, Tom Fitzpatrick via Elecraft wrote:
> Trying to set up RTTY on the K3. Receive working fine using MMTTY. Hooked USB from computer through USB/Serial converter and plugged through an opto-isolator adapter to the ACC plug for FSK. It doesn't key the rig and no keying is coming through. I've tried 2 different USB/Serial converters. Seems I read somewhere there's a special one (expensive) that is the only one that will work?

From john at kk9a.com  Thu Jun 22 21:01:45 2017
From: john at kk9a.com (john at kk9a.com)
Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2017 21:01:45 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft]  Roofing Filters
Message-ID: <007301d2ebbc$49580550$dc080ff0$@com>

What percentage are rejected?

FWIW, I have bought filters for other brand radios direct from Inrad for
decades however all of the filters in my K3S's were bought though Elecraft.
I was unaware of additional screening until now.

John KK9A

Wayne Burdick n6kr at elecraft.com 
Thu Jun 22 12:54:12 EDT 2017
Previous message: [Elecraft] Roofing Filters

Yes. We screen every INRAD filter. Those that don't meet our dynamic range
targets are rejected.

Wayne
N6KR


From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Thu Jun 22 21:11:12 2017
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2017 20:11:12 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] 6 meters open this morning; listening 50.095 (CW)
In-Reply-To: <C65EBA84-0E87-45DD-AF10-744C69332D58@elecraft.com>
References: <905FD3DB-18CF-41A1-8AE9-BC926F9AB9E1@elecraft.com>
	<15cd1346e67-1a66-26c5f@webprd-m60.mail.aol.com>
	<C65EBA84-0E87-45DD-AF10-744C69332D58@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <bddec2a8-4403-7682-8c2e-a11864994375@blomand.net>

Yes, even my 160M center fed dipole {256 ft}  with its balanced feed 
line and a 4:1 Guanella dual core current balun works quite nice on 6M.

73

Bob, K4TAX


On 6/22/2017 2:48 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
> If you have a K3, K3S, or KX3, with the built-in auto tuner, then any antenna is a 6 m antenna :-)
>
> Wayne
> N6KR
>
>
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> http://www.elecraft.com
>
>> On Jun 22, 2017, at 12:08 PM, Raymond Sills <raysills3 at verizon.net> wrote:
>>
>> That's telling me that six meters could be a valuable band during Field Day.  Consider having at least a dipole antenna that can to put into service.  If the E-clouds are active, participants could pick up quite a few points in a band that has lots of room.  The "skip" moves around a lot, but FD QSOs are short, so it could be a very productive band.  And you don't need power.. QRP is often as good as QRO.
>>
>>
>> 73 de Ray
>> K2ULR
>> KX3 #211
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com>
>> To: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
>> Sent: Thu, Jun 22, 2017 1:11 pm
>> Subject: [Elecraft] 6 meters open this morning; listening 50.095 (CW)
>>
>> Just had a quick QSO with K7CW in CN87, and I?m hearing a strong beacon from Kansas. DXmaps.com has red all over :)At times like this it pays to jump on 6 meters. 73,WayneN6KR______________________________________________________________Elecraft mailing listHome: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraftHelp: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htmPost: mailto:Elecraft at mailman.qth.netThis list hosted by: http://www.qsl.netPlease help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.htmlMessage delivered to raysills3 at verizon.net
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From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Thu Jun 22 21:39:57 2017
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2017 21:39:57 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 PREAMP2
In-Reply-To: <594C3AC9.3070006@comcast.net>
References: <594C3AC9.3070006@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <ce0edb91-f644-a198-6411-d5ce3b8d1764@embarqmail.com>

Brian,

Since the IF takeoff point in the K3 is before any filtering or 
processing, I would expect the band noise floor to rise with the preamp(s).

If you are referring to the receiver noise level with the antenna 
disconnected, then you have a valid point and I have no suggestions to 
offer.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 6/22/2017 5:46 PM, brian wrote:
> I use an SDR based panadapter (ROCKY) on the subrx.
> 
> I've noticed the following on all bands 15-6 when switching in preamps.
> 
> Noise floor no preamp = x
> Noise floor with preamp 1 = x to x+1 dB
> Noise floor with preamp 2 = X+10 to X+15 dB.
> 
> Would have expected the noise floor with preamp 2 to be about x.
> 
> What's going on?
> 
> 73 de Brian/K3KO
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From n6kr at elecraft.com  Thu Jun 22 22:13:40 2017
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2017 19:13:40 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Roofing Filters
In-Reply-To: <007301d2ebbc$49580550$dc080ff0$@com>
References: <007301d2ebbc$49580550$dc080ff0$@com>
Message-ID: <01961097-1A94-4EA0-A413-B4F2E147A25E@elecraft.com>

Not very many, fortunately.

Wayne
N6KR


> On Jun 22, 2017, at 6:01 PM, <john at kk9a.com> <john at kk9a.com> wrote:
> 
> What percentage are rejected?
> 
> FWIW, I have bought filters for other brand radios direct from Inrad for
> decades however all of the filters in my K3S's were bought though Elecraft.
> I was unaware of additional screening until now.
> 
> John KK9A
> 
> Wayne Burdick n6kr at elecraft.com 
> Thu Jun 22 12:54:12 EDT 2017
> Previous message: [Elecraft] Roofing Filters
> 
> Yes. We screen every INRAD filter. Those that don't meet our dynamic range
> targets are rejected.
> 
> Wayne
> N6KR
> 
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From lmarion at mt.net  Thu Jun 22 22:55:18 2017
From: lmarion at mt.net (lmarion)
Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2017 20:55:18 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] 6 meters open this morning; listening 50.095 (CW)
In-Reply-To: <bddec2a8-4403-7682-8c2e-a11864994375@blomand.net>
References: <905FD3DB-18CF-41A1-8AE9-BC926F9AB9E1@elecraft.com><15cd1346e67-1a66-26c5f@webprd-m60.mail.aol.com><C65EBA84-0E87-45DD-AF10-744C69332D58@elecraft.com>
	<bddec2a8-4403-7682-8c2e-a11864994375@blomand.net>
Message-ID: <B5A936B0B1914867BCEE646064877320@LeroyPC>

Yes the tuners are great, and my 160 mtr full wave loop makes a good  6mtr 
antenna, especially on receive.

But something about 6 mtrs on a beam, magic.

Hf beams, yeah they do mostly what you expect.  But something about the 
short wave length, maybe.

Maybe 2 mtrs is that way too, I don't know.

But every 6 meter beam I have kicks butt.

My KX3 and a portable MFJ 6 meter 3ele beam works like a big gun station.

Leroy AB7CE

-----Original Message----- 
From: Bob McGraw K4TAX
Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2017 7:11 PM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] 6 meters open this morning; listening 50.095 (CW)

Yes, even my 160M center fed dipole {256 ft}  with its balanced feed
line and a 4:1 Guanella dual core current balun works quite nice on 6M.

73

Bob, K4TAX


On 6/22/2017 2:48 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
> If you have a K3, K3S, or KX3, with the built-in auto tuner, then any 
> antenna is a 6 m antenna :-)
>
> Wayne
> N6KR
>
>
> ----
> http://www.elecraft.com
>
>> On Jun 22, 2017, at 12:08 PM, Raymond Sills <raysills3 at verizon.net> 
>> wrote:
>>
>> That's telling me that six meters could be a valuable band during Field 
>> Day.  Consider having at least a dipole antenna that can to put into 
>> service.  If the E-clouds are active, participants could pick up quite a 
>> few points in a band that has lots of room.  The "skip" moves around a 
>> lot, but FD QSOs are short, so it could be a very productive band.  And 
>> you don't need power.. QRP is often as good as QRO.
>>
>>
>> 73 de Ray
>> K2ULR
>> KX3 #211
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com>
>> To: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
>> Sent: Thu, Jun 22, 2017 1:11 pm
>> Subject: [Elecraft] 6 meters open this morning; listening 50.095 (CW)
>>
>> Just had a quick QSO with K7CW in CN87, and I?m hearing a strong beacon 
>> from Kansas. DXmaps.com has red all over :)At times like this it pays to 
>> jump on 6 meters. 
>> 73,WayneN6KR______________________________________________________________Elecraft 
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From software.research.development at gmail.com  Thu Jun 22 23:13:35 2017
From: software.research.development at gmail.com (Lane)
Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2017 22:13:35 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] ATU and Bandpass Filter
Message-ID: <CAGchGNsX2ELp3WwfA2=T_EGncAVcnvoHtK9t9YSXQsYK3BG1vQ@mail.gmail.com>

A question about the K2. Taking it to the club for FD and I have a
bandpass filter (CF-20) which says "Never use radio's internal tuner
with filter."

I have the internal ATU installed. Is there a way to bypass that? Or
should I just use the "main antenna" jack (manual says never use if
ATU installed) on the bottom left, instead of the two midway in the
middle?

From matt.vk2rq at gmail.com  Fri Jun 23 04:35:59 2017
From: matt.vk2rq at gmail.com (Matt Maguire)
Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2017 18:35:59 +1000
Subject: [Elecraft] ATU and Bandpass Filter
In-Reply-To: <CAGchGNsX2ELp3WwfA2=T_EGncAVcnvoHtK9t9YSXQsYK3BG1vQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGchGNsX2ELp3WwfA2=T_EGncAVcnvoHtK9t9YSXQsYK3BG1vQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2E740DE0-A9BE-4C27-B980-8E0EA6A80373@gmail.com>

The problem is that the filter is designed to work with a 50 ohm characteristic impedance (ie. with a 1:1 VSWR). This means you need to put ATU *after* the filter, not before, otherwise the filter will not work properly.

73 de Matt VK2RQ

> On 23 Jun 2017, at 1:13 pm, Lane <software.research.development at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> A question about the K2. Taking it to the club for FD and I have a
> bandpass filter (CF-20) which says "Never use radio's internal tuner
> with filter."
> 
> I have the internal ATU installed. Is there a way to bypass that? Or
> should I just use the "main antenna" jack (manual says never use if
> ATU installed) on the bottom left, instead of the two midway in the
> middle?
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From pincon at erols.com  Fri Jun 23 07:28:07 2017
From: pincon at erols.com (Charlie T, K3ICH)
Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2017 07:28:07 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] 6 meters open this morning; listening 50.095 (CW)
In-Reply-To: <B5A936B0B1914867BCEE646064877320@LeroyPC>
References: <905FD3DB-18CF-41A1-8AE9-BC926F9AB9E1@elecraft.com><15cd1346e67-1a66-26c5f@webprd-m60.mail.aol.com><C65EBA84-0E87-45DD-AF10-744C69332D58@elecraft.com>	<bddec2a8-4403-7682-8c2e-a11864994375@blomand.net>
	<B5A936B0B1914867BCEE646064877320@LeroyPC>
Message-ID: <003201d2ec13$cc5bfcc0$6513f640$@erols.com>

I think a lot of that comes from the fact that the average active 6M station runs a modest beam & 100 W.
So, any less than that average is at a disadvantage.
Obviously some run yuge beams and legal limit. Those station get through 1st, followed by the average stations and finally the rest.
6M offers every propagation mode known at one time or another. However, some openings only last a matter of minutes.
This is especially true for multiple hop sporadic E, not so much as when the MUF makes it to 50 MHz for true F2 openings.
F2 seems to last a tad longer.  Sporadic E can also be very localized where stations 50 miles apart are not in the "skip-zone".
During very active times, a few of us in the DC area keep in touch on 2M FM. We have all found for example, many times a station in Baltimore MD will hear the DX fine but someone in say, in no. Virginia hears nothing.
Give it twenty minutes and the situation reverses.
I have been active on 50MHz for over 50 years.  Taking advantage of the 6M propagation requires much more listening than transmitting because, relating to the comment above, calling a station in the noise is probably just clobbering the guys who CAN hear it.
Listen 1st. Analyze who's working what and where before just blasting away.
The beacons around 50.05 to 50.08 will tell you where the propagation is favoring. These beacons are all over the world, so use them to your advantage.

73, Charlie k3ICH



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From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of lmarion
Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2017 10:55 PM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net; Bob McGraw K4TAX <rmcgraw at blomand.net>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] 6 meters open this morning; listening 50.095 (CW)

Yes the tuners are great, and my 160 mtr full wave loop makes a good  6mtr antenna, especially on receive.

But something about 6 mtrs on a beam, magic.

Hf beams, yeah they do mostly what you expect.  But something about the short wave length, maybe.

Maybe 2 mtrs is that way too, I don't know.

But every 6 meter beam I have kicks butt.

My KX3 and a portable MFJ 6 meter 3ele beam works like a big gun station.

Leroy AB7CE




From cbjesseeNH at comcast.net  Fri Jun 23 08:28:38 2017
From: cbjesseeNH at comcast.net (MaverickNH)
Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2017 05:28:38 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S/100 - Add a KPA500/KAT500?
Message-ID: <1498220918346-7632023.post@n2.nabble.com>

I figure when that KPA1500 comes out there will be a few KPA500/KAT500 units
up for sale ;-) I'm thinking to add a used set to my K3S/100 and would like
advice on adapting my system. 

At present, my remote ATUs are only rated to 100W (LDG RC/RT100 at base of
G5RV) and 200W (MFJ-927), so I'll need to bump those up. In fact, I might
recall the WA2NAN True-Talk 102ft G5RV was rated to 100W maximum, but I'm
not sure and can't find information on the internet. Might be used of a 500W
rated remote ATU at base will allow 500W or could the antenna construction
of that G5RV be limiting?

My other antenna is a DX Engineering 43ft vertical which looks to be rated
to 1500W with a different remote base ATU.

All of my Common Mode Chokes are rated to 500W or more. My current
connectors are PL-259/SO239. I might need to replace a few lightning
arresters rated 400W PEP?

Appreciate advise and comments - especially if the bump from 100W to 500W
will be worth the trouble!

BRET/N4SRN



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From nr4c at widomaker.com  Fri Jun 23 11:30:01 2017
From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c)
Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2017 11:30:01 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S USB audio output needs to be adjustable in Menu
In-Reply-To: <9e2c7.5d9276dc.467d5901@aol.com>
References: <9e2c7.5d9276dc.467d5901@aol.com>
Message-ID: <60416404-3225-4D68-B908-DAA6939AE435@widomaker.com>

There is a Lin Out setting in menu. 

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill


> On Jun 22, 2017, at 1:31 PM, Dick via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
> 
> Hello Elecraft,
> 
> When feeding the audio from the K3S USB port to the CPU, the K3S audio  
> level is extremely high and way too hot for good performance  on many digital 
> modes.  
> 
> Example, even with my CPU's sound card set at the lowest possible level of  
> "01" my K3S is hitting the JT-65 software with a super strong signal that 
> is  much higher than the software wants to see and performance is degraded.   
> The same is true when operating RTTY using MMTTY or 2Tone software.
> 
> The USB audio output on the K3S needs to be adjustable in the K3S Menu as  
> it was on the K3 Serial port.
> 
> I wrote to you a few months ago about this without a positive  reply.  
> Please address this serious issue.
> 
> Thank you-
> 
> Richard Van Zandt- K9OM
> 
> 
> 
> In a message dated 6/2/2017 7:28:48 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
> elecraft-request at mailman.qth.net writes:
> 
> If you  are using Line Out with a fixed gain setting to feed audio to
> WSJT-X,  adjusting the AF control will not do anything. What I do is leave
> my RF  gain control at its normal position (around 3 o'clock) and use the
> slider  at the lower left in the WSJT-X window to compensate for  gain
> variations.
> 
> 73,
> Rich VE3KI
> 
> W3FPR wrote:
> 
>> Bret,
>> 
>> You may have better luck with running the RF Gain full  and adjusting
>> with the AF gain.  That way the RX AGC will smooth  out variations in the
>> signal level.
>> 
>> 73,
>> Don  W3FPR
> 
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From jaanmcleod at gmail.com  Fri Jun 23 12:11:40 2017
From: jaanmcleod at gmail.com (john mcleod)
Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2017 09:11:40 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 and Omnirig ...
Message-ID: <CAHMmR9U0S+77JhOrO_v5Frfao+XPYzK1YQx=bPwjSmk69f4jxw@mail.gmail.com>

Has anybody had any experience with coming up with an omnirig ini file for
the KX2 ? Failing that, any pointers to how to come up with a new file ?
I've read the Afreet readme files, but am still no wiser as to how to go
about this.

Thanks !!

John  N6RCD

From rpfjeld at outlook.com  Fri Jun 23 13:12:47 2017
From: rpfjeld at outlook.com (Richard Fjeld)
Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2017 17:12:47 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Article on Web pertaining to Telecommunications.
Message-ID: <DM5PR1601MB1210ABDCBE3F3EDA328A7E7ABFD80@DM5PR1601MB1210.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>

Maybe you saw this. They say the applications are near infinite.

Phys.org: A 100-year-old physics problem has been solved. http://google.com/newsstand/s/CBIwq7GPnjU


Rich, n0ce


From jim.gmforum at gmail.com  Fri Jun 23 15:15:03 2017
From: jim.gmforum at gmail.com (jim.gmforum at gmail.com)
Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2017 14:15:03 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft KX2 Spinner Knob
Message-ID: <594d68b1.1b076b0a.4711.4050@mx.google.com>


You may want to look into this more. Shaft design may not be able to support such a knob cause of what bearings type it is. May cause damage that you may not want on your KX2.

Jim K9TF


From n2qt at yahoo.com  Fri Jun 23 15:17:08 2017
From: n2qt at yahoo.com (Mark N2QT)
Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2017 15:17:08 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 6M power out
Message-ID: <D73BAF61-6E42-46B9-B8DE-F3166002D621@yahoo.com>

Is it normal for the 6M output to be about 10 watts less than indicated (i.e. 90w for 100w
setting).  If I do the 50w wattmeter cal on 20 M all bands but 6 are pretty much right on.
Conversely if I cal on 6 then all the lower bands are (not surprisingly) 10 watts high. 

Mark. N2QT

From raysills3 at verizon.net  Fri Jun 23 15:42:03 2017
From: raysills3 at verizon.net (Raymond Sills)
Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2017 15:42:03 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Article on Web pertaining to Telecommunications.
In-Reply-To: <DM5PR1601MB1210ABDCBE3F3EDA328A7E7ABFD80@DM5PR1601MB1210.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
References: <DM5PR1601MB1210ABDCBE3F3EDA328A7E7ABFD80@DM5PR1601MB1210.namprd16.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <15cd679c168-696e-2b13e@webprd-m76.mail.aol.com>

So much for "Nothing new under the sun".   ;)   This news could be huge for the future.  Fundamental research scores yet again.  Carl Sagan once said that your cannot tell beforehand where advances in research will take you.  (As in solid state electronics, lasers, etc).


73 de Ray
K2ULR
KX3 #211




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From: Richard Fjeld <rpfjeld at outlook.com>
To: elecraft posting <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Fri, Jun 23, 2017 1:49 pm
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Article on Web pertaining to Telecommunications.

Maybe you saw this. They say the applications are near infinite.

Phys.org: A 100-year-old physics problem has been solved. http://google.com/newsstand/s/CBIwq7GPnjU


Rich, n0ce

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From ka5y at yahoo.com  Fri Jun 23 15:44:15 2017
From: ka5y at yahoo.com (pkhjr)
Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2017 12:44:15 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] For Sale - KX2 Carry Case CS-60
Message-ID: <1498247055899-7632030.post@n2.nabble.com>

I have a CS-60 which is the large carry case for the KX2.  It's never been
used other than to test the fit. $30 shipped Conus. Paypal preferred

73 Tex
ka5y



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From semaos at semaos.plus.com  Fri Jun 23 15:59:22 2017
From: semaos at semaos.plus.com (Christopher Soames)
Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2017 20:59:22 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] Upgrading K3
Message-ID: <755eb242-988c-db92-5212-23fda1cd1bea@semaos.plus.com>

Hi I am looking to upgrade my K3 with a sun receiver, to do this am I 
correct in assuming that the new part will come as per K3S spec? if this 
is the case do I then have too upgrade the existing with the new K3S 
synthesiser card also?

What else do I then need?
regards
G0TZZ

From m.matthew.george at gmail.com  Fri Jun 23 16:08:29 2017
From: m.matthew.george at gmail.com (Matthew George)
Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2017 14:08:29 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] Upgrading K3
In-Reply-To: <755eb242-988c-db92-5212-23fda1cd1bea@semaos.plus.com>
References: <755eb242-988c-db92-5212-23fda1cd1bea@semaos.plus.com>
Message-ID: <B8E3A119-7F17-4BDB-B151-763AB2F0BF5B@gmail.com>

I assume you mean sub receiver?  If so, yes you will need two of the new synthesizers.  It's all in the FAQ from 2015 located here on the elecraft website: http://www.elecraft.com/manual/KSYN3A%20FAQ-ver-C-2.pdf

Well worth the upgrade by the way!

Mg NG7M

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> On Jun 23, 2017, at 1:59 PM, Christopher Soames <semaos at semaos.plus.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi I am looking to upgrade my K3 with a sun receiver, to do this am I correct in assuming that the new part will come as per K3S spec? if this is the case do I then have too upgrade the existing with the new K3S synthesiser card also?
> 
> What else do I then need?
> regards
> G0TZZ
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From Gary at ka1j.com  Fri Jun 23 16:08:37 2017
From: Gary at ka1j.com (Gary Smith)
Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2017 16:08:37 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Noise reduction Test
Message-ID: <594D7545.10983.95F66E3@Gary.ka1j.com>

I too would like the NR to use the A & B 
knobs and even greater options with the B 
knob. I think I would find it much easier 
to select the right settings on the fly.

Maybe user selectable in the next or 
upcoming K3/K3s update?

73,

Gary
KA1J


From kl7uw at acsalaska.net  Fri Jun 23 16:12:14 2017
From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole)
Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2017 12:12:14 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] 6 meters open this morning; listening 50.095  	(CW)
Message-ID: <201706232012.v5NKCEc9001393@mail42c28.carrierzone.com>

Leroy and all,

Guess this opinion is from those who only work HF with a random wire 
dropped over the tree in the backyard.  Sure many tuners can load it 
and you can make some contacts, but it would not compare well with a 
"real yagi" designed for the frequency (which usually means its resonant).

Typical 3-element beam has 6-7 dB gain (not including ground gain 
effects) and my 6-element 6m yagi has 13 dBi free-space gain.  Gain 
provides more than more signal strength is also rejects noise from 
off-point directions.  Most HF wires loaded by atu on 6m produce 
mult-lobe patterns and have terrible efficiency.  You can even use a 
dummy load but it does not make a very good antenna.

A simple resonant half-wave dipole is way better antenna and how hard 
is it to make?  Should not take more than 20 minutes to have one up for FD.

I have quite a bit experience working ground-wave over 70-100 miles 
on 6m and it s**ks.  Of course most of the stations I am trying with 
have either verticals (for 52.50 FM) or loading their HF antenna. Yet 
this same 6-element yagi has worked ZS4TX via 6m eme!  Better believe 
ZS4TX was not loading his 80m dipole for that!

My neighbor 15 miles from me tries to use his G5RV on 6m with 100w 
but I can hardly hear him.  I'm using either my KX3 or K3 + PR6-10 
... with a real 6m antenna.

BTW 2m works way better for ground wave and tropo than 6m; 222 is 
often better than 2m.  VHF propagation is a different "animal" than 
working on HF (10m is closer to 6m in behavior).

BTW, Paul - K7CW is a dedicated 6m operator and runs with four 
stacked 6m yagis (long time friend).

73, Ed - KL7UW



From: "lmarion" <lmarion at mt.net>
To: <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>, "Bob McGraw K4TAX"
         <rmcgraw at blomand.net>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] 6 meters open this morning; listening 50.095
         (CW)

Yes the tuners are great, and my 160 mtr full wave loop makes a good  6mtr
antenna, especially on receive.

But something about 6 mtrs on a beam, magic.

Hf beams, yeah they do mostly what you expect.  But something about the
short wave length, maybe.

Maybe 2 mtrs is that way too, I don't know.

But every 6 meter beam I have kicks butt.

My KX3 and a portable MFJ 6 meter 3ele beam works like a big gun station.

Leroy AB7CE


73, Ed - KL7UW
   http://www.kl7uw.com
Dubus-NA Business mail:
   dubususa at gmail.com 


From dpbunte at gmail.com  Fri Jun 23 16:20:22 2017
From: dpbunte at gmail.com (David Bunte)
Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2017 16:20:22 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Upgrading K3
In-Reply-To: <B8E3A119-7F17-4BDB-B151-763AB2F0BF5B@gmail.com>
References: <755eb242-988c-db92-5212-23fda1cd1bea@semaos.plus.com>
	<B8E3A119-7F17-4BDB-B151-763AB2F0BF5B@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CANCJpbQnpOSdjJy40X7MJ4b+iV6OnU_-0z74Vz9iHwLX8k=syA@mail.gmail.com>

Chris -

The new sub receiver comes with the new synthesizer, so you will only need
to replace the one in your main receiver, if you have not already done
that. The synthesizers must both be the same.

73 de Dave - K9FN

On Fri, Jun 23, 2017 at 4:08 PM, Matthew George <m.matthew.george at gmail.com>
wrote:

> I assume you mean sub receiver?  If so, yes you will need two of the new
> synthesizers.  It's all in the FAQ from 2015 located here on the elecraft
> website: http://www.elecraft.com/manual/KSYN3A%20FAQ-ver-C-2.pdf
>
> Well worth the upgrade by the way!
>
> Mg NG7M
>
> --
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> 801-560-8754
>
> > On Jun 23, 2017, at 1:59 PM, Christopher Soames <semaos at semaos.plus.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi I am looking to upgrade my K3 with a sun receiver, to do this am I
> correct in assuming that the new part will come as per K3S spec? if this is
> the case do I then have too upgrade the existing with the new K3S
> synthesiser card also?
> >
> > What else do I then need?
> > regards
> > G0TZZ
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From gdanner12 at gmail.com  Fri Jun 23 16:57:04 2017
From: gdanner12 at gmail.com (Gmail - George)
Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2017 16:57:04 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Upgrading K3
In-Reply-To: <755eb242-988c-db92-5212-23fda1cd1bea@semaos.plus.com>
References: <755eb242-988c-db92-5212-23fda1cd1bea@semaos.plus.com>
Message-ID: <A14E5F46E8324B2DA735E2963A02EBA2@OfficeDeskTop>

Christopher,
Many of us who have upgraded have extra old style synthesizers with no plans 
for them.

If the cost of upgrading your main synthesizer is stopping you from getting 
a sub-receiver, I and many others would be glad to loan or give you an old 
style one.

In the long run a sub-receive with new style synthesizers is the way to go; 
but maybe the budget would rather go in 2 steps rather than all at once.

The above assumes the new sub-receiver will operate with the old style 
synthesizer!

73
George
AI4VZ

-----Original Message----- 
From: Christopher Soames
... if this is the case do I then have too upgrade the existing with the new 
K3S
synthesiser card also?


From mike.harris at horizon.co.fk  Fri Jun 23 17:44:18 2017
From: mike.harris at horizon.co.fk (Mike Harris)
Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2017 18:44:18 -0300
Subject: [Elecraft] Upgrading K3
In-Reply-To: <A14E5F46E8324B2DA735E2963A02EBA2@OfficeDeskTop>
References: <755eb242-988c-db92-5212-23fda1cd1bea@semaos.plus.com>
	<A14E5F46E8324B2DA735E2963A02EBA2@OfficeDeskTop>
Message-ID: <c358fa94-fb1d-aa0f-bc58-e282a229bffb@horizon.co.fk>

An interesting question is just what is the difference between the KRX3 
and the KRX3A.

Regards,

Mike VP8NO

On 23/06/2017 17:57, Gmail - George wrote:
> The above assumes the new sub-receiver will operate with the old style
> synthesizer!

From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Fri Jun 23 18:21:59 2017
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2017 18:21:59 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Upgrading K3
In-Reply-To: <c358fa94-fb1d-aa0f-bc58-e282a229bffb@horizon.co.fk>
References: <755eb242-988c-db92-5212-23fda1cd1bea@semaos.plus.com>
	<A14E5F46E8324B2DA735E2963A02EBA2@OfficeDeskTop>
	<c358fa94-fb1d-aa0f-bc58-e282a229bffb@horizon.co.fk>
Message-ID: <1541bee4-3796-2236-e572-4e980e1416ff@embarqmail.com>

Mike,

The KRX3A includes the 220uF Solid Polymer Electrolytic Capacitor on the 
output of the 8 volt regulator.
As far as I know, there is no other difference.  This capacitor allows 
extension of the K3 tuning range (with the modified KBPF3 option) to 
100kHz.  See 
http://www.elecraft.com/manual/E740264%20KBPF3%20Modification%20Kit%20Instructions%20Rev%20A2.pdf
If you have a KRX3 and KBPF3 to modify.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 6/23/2017 5:44 PM, Mike Harris wrote:
> An interesting question is just what is the difference between the KRX3 
> and the KRX3A.

From k6dgw at foothill.net  Fri Jun 23 19:38:05 2017
From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen)
Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2017 16:38:05 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Upgrading K3
In-Reply-To: <1541bee4-3796-2236-e572-4e980e1416ff@embarqmail.com>
References: <755eb242-988c-db92-5212-23fda1cd1bea@semaos.plus.com>
	<A14E5F46E8324B2DA735E2963A02EBA2@OfficeDeskTop>
	<c358fa94-fb1d-aa0f-bc58-e282a229bffb@horizon.co.fk>
	<1541bee4-3796-2236-e572-4e980e1416ff@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <1ee3cbc2-f86a-556d-569e-cdd87d64e453@foothill.net>

OK Don, I'll bite:  What does a "220uF Solid Polymer Electrolytic 
Capacitor on the output of the 8 volt regulator" have to do with an 
"extension of the K3 tuning range to 100 KHz?"  Voltage regulators are 
usually found at the far end of the circuit from frequency determining 
components.  Enquiring minds would like to know. [:-)

73,

Fred ("Skip") K6DGW
Sparks NV USA
Washoe County DM09dn

On 6/23/2017 3:21 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
> Mike,
>
> The KRX3A includes the 220uF Solid Polymer Electrolytic Capacitor on 
> the output of the 8 volt regulator.
> As far as I know, there is no other difference.  This capacitor allows 
> extension of the K3 tuning range (with the modified KBPF3 option) to 
> 100kHz.  See 
> http://www.elecraft.com/manual/E740264%20KBPF3%20Modification%20Kit%20Instructions%20Rev%20A2.pdf
> If you have a KRX3 and KBPF3 to modify.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR


From ka5y at yahoo.com  Fri Jun 23 19:41:52 2017
From: ka5y at yahoo.com (pkhjr)
Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2017 16:41:52 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] For Sale - KX2 Carry Case CS-60
In-Reply-To: <1498247055899-7632030.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1498247055899-7632030.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <1498261312411-7632040.post@n2.nabble.com>

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From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Fri Jun 23 19:54:31 2017
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2017 19:54:31 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Upgrading K3
In-Reply-To: <1ee3cbc2-f86a-556d-569e-cdd87d64e453@foothill.net>
References: <755eb242-988c-db92-5212-23fda1cd1bea@semaos.plus.com>
	<A14E5F46E8324B2DA735E2963A02EBA2@OfficeDeskTop>
	<c358fa94-fb1d-aa0f-bc58-e282a229bffb@horizon.co.fk>
	<1541bee4-3796-2236-e572-4e980e1416ff@embarqmail.com>
	<1ee3cbc2-f86a-556d-569e-cdd87d64e453@foothill.net>
Message-ID: <c591e27f-35ef-ecbf-69df-067c747c6928@embarqmail.com>

I believe it has to do with reducing low frequency noise on the 8 volt line.

The addition of the capacitor was mentioned by Eric at the FDIM when the 
K3S was introduced.

The new synthesizers made that lower frequency operation possible, and I 
assume that during testing, the noise was noticed.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 6/23/2017 7:38 PM, Fred Jensen wrote:
> OK Don, I'll bite:  What does a "220uF Solid Polymer Electrolytic 
> Capacitor on the output of the 8 volt regulator" have to do with an 
> "extension of the K3 tuning range to 100 KHz?"  Voltage regulators are 
> usually found at the far end of the circuit from frequency determining 
> components.  Enquiring minds would like to know. [:-)

From g4gnx at g4gnx.com  Fri Jun 23 19:55:11 2017
From: g4gnx at g4gnx.com (G4GNX)
Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2017 00:55:11 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 memory editor
Message-ID: <10592D6656104812AACF7C0B34ADB627@G4GNXLaptop>

I just started using the K3 memory editor (v1.5.7.20 dated 2015) for the first time and I find it behaves in a strange way, depending whether a memory has content or not.

At present I have general memories 0 thru 23 loaded with data and memories 85 thru 99 also loaded. All other memories are ?empty?.

If I try to read all memories from the K3, the editor program reaches memory 24 (empty) and stalls. If I click the Cancel button, it reports ?cancelling? but does nothing. I can abort the action by clicking the red close icon.
When I check the ?spreadsheet? I find that memories 0 thru 23 are filled and displayed, but not memories 85 thru 99. The only way to read memories 85 thru 99 is to ?select? them first, then read selected.
Attempting to read any empty memory individually results in the function stalling.

I also tried clearing a single memory entry and uploading it to the K3, which seems to work OK, but attempting to read it back, results in a stall.

Is this normal behavior ? a bug, or do I have an old or corrupted memory editor.

73,

Alan. G4GNX


From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Fri Jun 23 20:03:29 2017
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2017 20:03:29 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] ATU and Bandpass Filter
In-Reply-To: <2E740DE0-A9BE-4C27-B980-8E0EA6A80373@gmail.com>
References: <CAGchGNsX2ELp3WwfA2=T_EGncAVcnvoHtK9t9YSXQsYK3BG1vQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<2E740DE0-A9BE-4C27-B980-8E0EA6A80373@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4cfba4f4-c2bf-e4c4-77cb-bd95c1d3d918@embarqmail.com>

What Matt said is true.  However, if your antennas are close to 
resonance, go ahead and use the ATU to "touch up" the tuning.

If you are trying to use a multiband antenna such as a G5RV and such, 
you might as well forget the advantage of the bandpass filter.

Our local club discovered that multiband antennas were a major problem 
at multi-transmitter Field Day sites.  We now use single band dipoles, 
and yes we use a bandpass filter for each of the FD bands.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 6/23/2017 4:35 AM, Matt Maguire wrote:
> The problem is that the filter is designed to work with a 50 ohm characteristic impedance (ie. with a 1:1 VSWR). This means you need to put ATU *after* the filter, not before, otherwise the filter will not work properly.

From software.research.development at gmail.com  Fri Jun 23 21:37:37 2017
From: software.research.development at gmail.com (Lane)
Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2017 20:37:37 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] ATU and Bandpass Filter
In-Reply-To: <4cfba4f4-c2bf-e4c4-77cb-bd95c1d3d918@embarqmail.com>
References: <CAGchGNsX2ELp3WwfA2=T_EGncAVcnvoHtK9t9YSXQsYK3BG1vQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<2E740DE0-A9BE-4C27-B980-8E0EA6A80373@gmail.com>
	<4cfba4f4-c2bf-e4c4-77cb-bd95c1d3d918@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGchGNvZcL07z2Qh3mqosA4qkbE_0GCrLzHwhaRerQRY1F1QbA@mail.gmail.com>

I think I'm missing something here. I'm not sure I understand putting
the ATU after the filter since the ATU is internal. How does one put
it after the external BP filter?

On Fri, Jun 23, 2017 at 7:03 PM, Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com> wrote:
> What Matt said is true.  However, if your antennas are close to resonance,
> go ahead and use the ATU to "touch up" the tuning.
>
> If you are trying to use a multiband antenna such as a G5RV and such, you
> might as well forget the advantage of the bandpass filter.
>
> Our local club discovered that multiband antennas were a major problem at
> multi-transmitter Field Day sites.  We now use single band dipoles, and yes
> we use a bandpass filter for each of the FD bands.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 6/23/2017 4:35 AM, Matt Maguire wrote:
>>
>> The problem is that the filter is designed to work with a 50 ohm
>> characteristic impedance (ie. with a 1:1 VSWR). This means you need to put
>> ATU *after* the filter, not before, otherwise the filter will not work
>> properly.
>
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From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Fri Jun 23 21:46:33 2017
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2017 21:46:33 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] ATU and Bandpass Filter
In-Reply-To: <CAGchGNvZcL07z2Qh3mqosA4qkbE_0GCrLzHwhaRerQRY1F1QbA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGchGNsX2ELp3WwfA2=T_EGncAVcnvoHtK9t9YSXQsYK3BG1vQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<2E740DE0-A9BE-4C27-B980-8E0EA6A80373@gmail.com>
	<4cfba4f4-c2bf-e4c4-77cb-bd95c1d3d918@embarqmail.com>
	<CAGchGNvZcL07z2Qh3mqosA4qkbE_0GCrLzHwhaRerQRY1F1QbA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <99933c3b-2a1e-261c-7afe-efe4e2fdc0fe@embarqmail.com>

Lane,

Yes, you cannot do that.
We are only discussing the need for the filter to have a 50 ohm 
non-reactive load.
So if you are using a bandpass filter designed for a 50 ohm load (most 
are), then you need to use resonant antennas.

What I was saying is that slight variations from a 50 ohm load may be OK 
("fine tuning" the load), but many so called multiband antennas do not 
meet that criteria.

Try measuring the feedpoint impedance of a G5RV antenna on various 
bands, and you will see that it varies considerably.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 6/23/2017 9:37 PM, Lane wrote:
> I think I'm missing something here. I'm not sure I understand putting
> the ATU after the filter since the ATU is internal. How does one put
> it after the external BP filter?
>
>


From donovanf at starpower.net  Fri Jun 23 21:55:12 2017
From: donovanf at starpower.net (donovanf at starpower.net)
Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2017 21:55:12 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Elecraft] ATU and Bandpass Filter
In-Reply-To: <4cfba4f4-c2bf-e4c4-77cb-bd95c1d3d918@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <323247458.3916740.1498269312694.JavaMail.root@starpower.net>

Hi Don, 


The technique you use with monoband horizontal dipoles and 
bandpass filters is exactly what we do at the W3AO Field Day 
site, except we use monoband Yagis rather than dipoles on 40, 
20, 15 and 10 meters. (we also use dipoles on 40M). 


The recent recommendation in the Elecraft Newsletter about using 
two perpendicular horizontal dipoles isn't very effective, and the 
concept was incompletely presented. In order to achieve excellent 
isolation between two perpendicular dipoles, two conditions must 
be met: 


- the second dipole needs to be almost exactly perpendicular 
to the first dipole, even a five degree error significantly reduces 
the isolation. 


- most importantly, the second dipole must be perpendicular 
to the center of the first dipole. An offset of just a few feet 
left or right of center significantly reduces the isolation. 


The advantage of this technique is that two horizontal dipoles can 
be installed in a physically small space with very high isolation, 
but the big disadvantages are that the perpendicular dipoles must 
be precisely positioned a nd inevitably at least one of the dipoles 
is likely to be oriented to an non-optimum azimuth, 


We're fortunate at W3AO to have a 1000 x 200 foot open grass 
field for our Field Days, The technique we use with excellent 
results is to place our antennas for the same band end-to-end with 
300 feet of separation between adjacent antennas. While the 
isolation is significantly less than two precisely positioned 
perpendicular horizontal dipoles, it has the big advantage of having 
both antennas oriented to the same azimuth. 


With four 20 meter Yagis sited end-to-end with 300 foot separation 
between adjacent antennas we routinely operate four transmitters 
(CW SSB RTTY and GOTA) on 20 meters with no trace on interference. 


73 
Frank 
W3LPL 




----- Original Message -----

From: "Don Wilhelm" <donwilh at embarqmail.com> 
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net 
Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2017 12:03:29 AM 
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] ATU and Bandpass Filter 

What Matt said is true. However, if your antennas are close to 
resonance, go ahead and use the ATU to "touch up" the tuning. 

If you are trying to use a multiband antenna such as a G5RV and such, 
you might as well forget the advantage of the bandpass filter. 

Our local club discovered that multiband antennas were a major problem 
at multi-transmitter Field Day sites. We now use single band dipoles, 
and yes we use a bandpass filter for each of the FD bands. 

73, 
Don W3FPR 

On 6/23/2017 4:35 AM, Matt Maguire wrote: 
> The problem is that the filter is designed to work with a 50 ohm characteristic impedance (ie. with a 1:1 VSWR). This means you need to put ATU *after* the filter, not before, otherwise the filter will not work properly. 
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From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Fri Jun 23 22:47:24 2017
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2017 21:47:24 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] ATU and Bandpass Filter
In-Reply-To: <99933c3b-2a1e-261c-7afe-efe4e2fdc0fe@embarqmail.com>
References: <CAGchGNsX2ELp3WwfA2=T_EGncAVcnvoHtK9t9YSXQsYK3BG1vQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<2E740DE0-A9BE-4C27-B980-8E0EA6A80373@gmail.com>
	<4cfba4f4-c2bf-e4c4-77cb-bd95c1d3d918@embarqmail.com>
	<CAGchGNvZcL07z2Qh3mqosA4qkbE_0GCrLzHwhaRerQRY1F1QbA@mail.gmail.com>
	<99933c3b-2a1e-261c-7afe-efe4e2fdc0fe@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <e679bfd6-cdd6-579c-0fe2-f0a2548c3c1d@blomand.net>

If one chooses to use band pass filters then one should anticipate using 
an external antenna tuner as well.   This of course depends largely on 
the antenna and the impedance of the antenna at a given frequency.    If 
one is using resonant antennas with a reasonably close 50 ohm impedance 
then all is well.  If one is using a multiband antenna the impedance is 
likely to vary widely and be far from 50 ohms.   As to a beam, if it is 
correctly adjusted, it should provide a reasonably close impedance to 50 
ohms on all band for which it is designed.

I find many hams are grossly over concerned with SWR values.  For 
example; 100 ft of RG-8X operating with a 2:1 SWR at 14 MHz will have a 
total loss of 1.5 dB.   Where as the same length of coax with a 1:1 SWR 
will have a loss of 1.2 dB.  A difference of only 0.3 dB.  With the same 
configuration at 28 MHz, the loss with a 2:1 SWR will be 2.1 dB and with 
a 1:1 SWR the loss will be 1.8 dB a difference of 0.3 dB.

My point is..........hams are grossly over concerned about having a 1:1 
match.  Factually, it isn't that dang important.   As you can see, there 
is little difference in total loss.  Thus of 100 watts power fed into 
the line at 14 MHz and a 2:1 SWR the power at the antenna will be 70 
watts.  Where as 100 watts fed into the line at 14 MHz with a 1:1 SWR 
the power at the antenna is 75.8 watts.  These are real numbers, thus a 
difference of only ~5 watts.  The only thing affecting loss is the loss 
in the transmission line which is present to some degree regardless of 
the SWR match.

73

Bob, K4TAX




From k2vco.vic at gmail.com  Sat Jun 24 00:03:43 2017
From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP)
Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2017 07:03:43 +0300
Subject: [Elecraft] Upgrading K3
In-Reply-To: <c591e27f-35ef-ecbf-69df-067c747c6928@embarqmail.com>
References: <755eb242-988c-db92-5212-23fda1cd1bea@semaos.plus.com>
	<A14E5F46E8324B2DA735E2963A02EBA2@OfficeDeskTop>
	<c358fa94-fb1d-aa0f-bc58-e282a229bffb@horizon.co.fk>
	<1541bee4-3796-2236-e572-4e980e1416ff@embarqmail.com>
	<1ee3cbc2-f86a-556d-569e-cdd87d64e453@foothill.net>
	<c591e27f-35ef-ecbf-69df-067c747c6928@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <31df77b5-349e-0239-1403-37033519fe13@gmail.com>

Wouldn't the new subrx also have to have the extra preamp to match the 
one in the KXV3B?

73,
Victor, 4X6GP
Rehovot, Israel
Formerly K2VCO
http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/
On 24 Jun 2017 02:54, Don Wilhelm wrote:
> I believe it has to do with reducing low frequency noise on the 8 volt 
> line.
> 
> The addition of the capacitor was mentioned by Eric at the FDIM when the 
> K3S was introduced.
> 
> The new synthesizers made that lower frequency operation possible, and I 
> assume that during testing, the noise was noticed.
> 
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
> 
> On 6/23/2017 7:38 PM, Fred Jensen wrote:
>> OK Don, I'll bite:  What does a "220uF Solid Polymer Electrolytic 
>> Capacitor on the output of the 8 volt regulator" have to do with an 
>> "extension of the K3 tuning range to 100 KHz?"  Voltage regulators are 
>> usually found at the far end of the circuit from frequency determining 
>> components.  Enquiring minds would like to know. [:-)

From groups at planet3.freeuk.co.uk  Sat Jun 24 06:33:50 2017
From: groups at planet3.freeuk.co.uk (Brian D)
Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2017 11:33:50 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 memory editor
In-Reply-To: <10592D6656104812AACF7C0B34ADB627@G4GNXLaptop>
References: <10592D6656104812AACF7C0B34ADB627@G4GNXLaptop>
Message-ID: <mpro.os1s0e0015ko504fs.groups@planet3.freeuk.co.uk>

I have exactly the same problem using it with my KX3 (win10).


"G4GNX" <g4gnx at g4gnx.com> wrote:

> I just started using the K3 memory editor (v1.5.7.20 dated 2015) for the
> first time and I find it behaves in a strange way, depending whether a
> memory has content or not.
> 
> At present I have general memories 0 thru 23 loaded with data and memories
> 85 thru 99 also loaded. All other memories are ?empty?.
> 
> If I try to read all memories from the K3, the editor program reaches
> memory 24 (empty) and stalls. If I click the Cancel button, it reports
> ?cancelling? but does nothing. I can abort the action by clicking the red
> close icon. When I check the ?spreadsheet? I find that memories 0 thru 23
> are filled and displayed, but not memories 85 thru 99. The only way to
> read memories 85 thru 99 is to ?select? them first, then read selected.
> Attempting to read any empty memory individually results in the function
> stalling.
> 
> I also tried clearing a single memory entry and uploading it to the K3,
> which seems to work OK, but attempting to read it back, results in a
> stall.
> 
> Is this normal behavior ? a bug, or do I have an old or corrupted memory
> editor.

-- 
Brian D
G3VGZ  Yarm    England

From g4gnx at g4gnx.com  Sat Jun 24 07:06:22 2017
From: g4gnx at g4gnx.com (G4GNX)
Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2017 12:06:22 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 memory editor
In-Reply-To: <mpro.os1s0e0015ko504fs.groups@planet3.freeuk.co.uk>
References: <10592D6656104812AACF7C0B34ADB627@G4GNXLaptop>
	<mpro.os1s0e0015ko504fs.groups@planet3.freeuk.co.uk>
Message-ID: <8E662240887F41CD849E04D22E14BADF@G4GNXLaptop>

I realise that it's only two of us so far, but I suspect it's a bug.

Hopefully, Elecraft will fix it.

73,

Alan. G4GNX

-----Original Message----- 
From: Brian D
Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2017 11:33 AM
To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 memory editor

I have exactly the same problem using it with my KX3 (win10).


"G4GNX" <g4gnx at g4gnx.com> wrote:

> I just started using the K3 memory editor (v1.5.7.20 dated 2015) for the
> first time and I find it behaves in a strange way, depending whether a
> memory has content or not.
>
> At present I have general memories 0 thru 23 loaded with data and memories
> 85 thru 99 also loaded. All other memories are ?empty?.
>
> If I try to read all memories from the K3, the editor program reaches
> memory 24 (empty) and stalls. If I click the Cancel button, it reports
> ?cancelling? but does nothing. I can abort the action by clicking the red
> close icon. When I check the ?spreadsheet? I find that memories 0 thru 23
> are filled and displayed, but not memories 85 thru 99. The only way to
> read memories 85 thru 99 is to ?select? them first, then read selected.
> Attempting to read any empty memory individually results in the function
> stalling.
>
> I also tried clearing a single memory entry and uploading it to the K3,
> which seems to work OK, but attempting to read it back, results in a
> stall.
>
> Is this normal behavior ? a bug, or do I have an old or corrupted memory
> editor.

-- 
Brian D
G3VGZ  Yarm    England


From g8kbvdave at googlemail.com  Sat Jun 24 13:34:14 2017
From: g8kbvdave at googlemail.com (Dave B)
Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2017 18:34:14 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 and Omnirig ...
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1859.1498300437.7807.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
References: <mailman.1859.1498300437.7807.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID: <32cb5f9a-13e8-7030-699d-cdcca15a7eb7@googlemail.com>

I did that some time ago for my IC-R70, with a custom 4 bit to serial
interface I built, for use with Faros.

It's not difficult, you just have to learn one thing at a time.

An extra serial port (or comOcom) and dumb terminal, so you can
"pretend" to be a radio, and see what OmniRig sends, and what it does
when you send stuff back to it, is very useful.

If there is a K3/KX3 file (I don't know if there is, it's been a while)
look at that for examples, in conjunction with the relevant manuals.

73

	Dave G0WBX.

------------------------------------------------------------------------

Message: 4
Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2017 09:11:40 -0700
From: john mcleod <jaanmcleod at gmail.com>
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 and Omnirig ...
Message-ID:
	<CAHMmR9U0S+77JhOrO_v5Frfao+XPYzK1YQx=bPwjSmk69f4jxw at mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"

Has anybody had any experience with coming up with an omnirig ini file for
the KX2 ? Failing that, any pointers to how to come up with a new file ?
I've read the Afreet readme files, but am still no wiser as to how to go
about this.

Thanks !!

John  N6RCD


From pe1bsb at zendamateur.nu  Sat Jun 24 15:33:36 2017
From: pe1bsb at zendamateur.nu (William Lagerberg)
Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2017 21:33:36 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] Follow up shack / house burn
Message-ID: <84644EBB-A940-46EF-816F-CB97EDCC7425@zendamateur.nu>

Dear Radio Friends,

First I am dutch and perhaps my English is not as good as it should be, sorry for that.

It has been 5 almost 6 weeks after the fire with destroyed our house for 50% it started in my shack. We am stil inventorying our house for the insurance. I good send fotos, but don?t know how, the server don?t want that :-)

At first let me give all of you some advice, please take a digital camera and walk trough your house and make from everything pictures, all stuf if it is in a cabinet or in a drawer, downstairs upstairs or on the 2e floor just do it. It saves you a lot of time. When something goos wrong like a fire or so. We really lost a hole cabinets which all our papers invoices etc, a cabinet of 2 meters high 1,20 wide it is just gone with everything in it.

I even did hear somebody who has inventory lists	of everything. But thats for you to decide..

My question is, everything is burned some things only on the outside my 736 is just gone but the 50 Mhz and the 1296 module looks ok, my R5000 is a goner but the filters are ok,

I took my K1 K2 K3 and P3 totally apart an whith a sonic-cleaner with special stuf ( from the guys who are helping us) I cleaned every part of them.
I think I managed to save a lot of electronics the prints look like new. but all the cabinets and buttons are gone, from the K3 the daling knob is melted, really and the prints look fine. My KX3 seem to have survived it it was in a aluminium box. 

So I am looking for somebody who has the opposite per haps a lightning strike or so and all electronics gone but the cabinets ok.

If there is somebody who can help me I would be very glad. I am looking for K2 K2 Tuner and K3 and P3 housing.

In the last stage I am going to ask Elecraft to help me., but I thought first try this.

Regards everybody PE1BSB


------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Pe1bsb
William lagerberg
Stommeerkade 65
1431 EL  Aalsmeer

E  pe1bsb at zendamateur.nu
 K1, K2, K3, P3, KX3 now working with a Icom 7300 with has been 3 days below 50cm of water get it out cleaned it let it dry for 2 weeks put a new display in it and it was working  :-)
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


From cbjesseeNH at comcast.net  Sat Jun 24 16:20:29 2017
From: cbjesseeNH at comcast.net (MaverickNH)
Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2017 13:20:29 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S/100 - Add a KPA500/KAT500?
In-Reply-To: <1498220918346-7632023.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1498220918346-7632023.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <1498335629724-7632053.post@n2.nabble.com>

Kerry WA2NAN confirmed that G5RV was good to 1500W. In general, when talking
wattage ratings, is the figure quoted PEP?



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From jthorpe at liberty.edu  Sat Jun 24 20:47:17 2017
From: jthorpe at liberty.edu (Thorpe, Jeffrey)
Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2017 00:47:17 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] XG50 temp comp for KX3
Message-ID: <8BA3F702-0AAC-4E9F-8737-A59F227692F0@liberty.edu>

I am going to be doing the temperature compensation procedure for my KX3. The sheet for the XG50 says I can use a 3' 50-ohm cable. This probably seems like a silly question, but is it a big deal if I use a 6' cable? Is the signal so weak I have to worry about that extra (???) loss?

J

From wunder at wunderwood.org  Sat Jun 24 21:06:23 2017
From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood)
Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2017 18:06:23 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] XG50 temp comp for KX3
In-Reply-To: <8BA3F702-0AAC-4E9F-8737-A59F227692F0@liberty.edu>
References: <8BA3F702-0AAC-4E9F-8737-A59F227692F0@liberty.edu>
Message-ID: <F11A344A-3348-47FE-BD8B-0C1BA850CE6D@wunderwood.org>

Should not be a problem. Good ol? RG-58 has 0.083 dB loss in three feet of cable at 50 MHz. That is about 2% of the signal. Another 2% won?t matter.

wunder
K6WRU
Walter Underwood
CM87wj
http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog)

> On Jun 24, 2017, at 5:47 PM, Thorpe, Jeffrey <jthorpe at liberty.edu> wrote:
> 
> I am going to be doing the temperature compensation procedure for my KX3. The sheet for the XG50 says I can use a 3' 50-ohm cable. This probably seems like a silly question, but is it a big deal if I use a 6' cable? Is the signal so weak I have to worry about that extra (???) loss?
> 
> J
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From jthorpe at liberty.edu  Sat Jun 24 21:12:43 2017
From: jthorpe at liberty.edu (Thorpe, Jeffrey)
Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2017 01:12:43 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] XG50 temp comp for KX3
In-Reply-To: <WM!14a1005fc1844153189d1d929f6d59bbc43a3dc4700c907f791c66f72e582aac43bf75f8d599513735a22c7df225ba51!@dmxscan2.liberty.edu>
References: <8BA3F702-0AAC-4E9F-8737-A59F227692F0@liberty.edu>
	<F11A344A-3348-47FE-BD8B-0C1BA850CE6D@wunderwood.org>,
	<WM!14a1005fc1844153189d1d929f6d59bbc43a3dc4700c907f791c66f72e582aac43bf75f8d599513735a22c7df225ba51!@dmxscan2.liberty.edu>
Message-ID: <2546A44B-24DC-40A2-B35F-EA1C6BE0CEF2@liberty.edu>

Thanks Walter - Pretty much what I was thinking, but thought I would ask. That only costs a couple electrons and a minute.

Jeff - KG7HDZ

On Jun 24, 2017, at 6:06 PM, Walter Underwood <wunder at wunderwood.org<mailto:wunder at wunderwood.org>> wrote:

Should not be a problem. Good ol? RG-58 has 0.083 dB loss in three feet of cable at 50 MHz. That is about 2% of the signal. Another 2% won?t matter.

wunder
K6WRU
Walter Underwood
CM87wj
http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog)

On Jun 24, 2017, at 5:47 PM, Thorpe, Jeffrey <jthorpe at liberty.edu<mailto:jthorpe at liberty.edu>> wrote:

I am going to be doing the temperature compensation procedure for my KX3. The sheet for the XG50 says I can use a 3' 50-ohm cable. This probably seems like a silly question, but is it a big deal if I use a 6' cable? Is the signal so weak I have to worry about that extra (???) loss?

J
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From wb3aal at verizon.net  Sat Jun 24 21:32:12 2017
From: wb3aal at verizon.net (WB3AAL)
Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2017 21:32:12 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Help with Elecraft mainman.qth list
Message-ID: <000c01d2ed52$dedea4c0$9c9bee40$@verizon.net>

Hello,

 Please email me directly with replies to  wb3aal @ Verizon . net

I am switching over to a new email provider and I am having issues with
changing my email address at the mailman.qth.net server.

I sent them a help request and they told me to contact the List Admin.

Maybe it would be easier to just sign up to the list with my new email
address and let the old one just suffer.

Thanks for any and all replies. 

73
Ron Polityka
WB3AAL




From nborghetti at alice.it  Sun Jun 25 05:04:43 2017
From: nborghetti at alice.it (i5nph)
Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2017 02:04:43 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Help Macro Mic Input
Message-ID: <1498381483351-7632057.post@n2.nabble.com>

I am using firmware 05.57 and I am tryng to use the command MP to write macro
to switch Microphone from LINEIN and FPH.

But I get response MP?

This macro I know was working before.....it is very important because I work
JT65 and I would like to switch the way of the audio input (LINEIN and FPH)
without be forced to go to Menu.

Hope in some help

Thanks in advance

73




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From cbjesseeNH at comcast.net  Sun Jun 25 06:31:23 2017
From: cbjesseeNH at comcast.net (MaverickNH)
Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2017 03:31:23 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] Need of an external sound card with the KX2
In-Reply-To: <CAFmQ1muSvyc0800AwdmusKjfUJ9snKyWsOZp5waYYPpEYitkDw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFmQ1muSvyc0800AwdmusKjfUJ9snKyWsOZp5waYYPpEYitkDw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1498386683461-7632058.post@n2.nabble.com>

I've seem some information about use of an "Easy Digi" device
http://www.ebay.com/itm/EASY-DIGI-UV-5R-INTERFACE-for-IPhone-IPad-IPod-Touch-/321221531105
and plan to give it a try. There are a few YouTube videos. It's on order.

Bret/N4SRN



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From nborghetti at alice.it  Sun Jun 25 06:37:33 2017
From: nborghetti at alice.it (i5nph)
Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2017 03:37:33 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] Macro to switch Microphone input
Message-ID: <1498387053393-7632059.post@n2.nabble.com>

I am using firmware 05.57 and I am tryng to use the command MP to write macro
to switch Microphone from LINEIN and FPH. 

But I get response MP? 

This macro I know was working before.....it is very important because I work
JT65 and I would like to switch the way of the audio input (LINEIN and FPH)
without be forced to go to Menu. 

Hope in some help 

Thanks in advance 

73 



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From g4gnx at g4gnx.com  Sun Jun 25 07:20:01 2017
From: g4gnx at g4gnx.com (G4GNX)
Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2017 12:20:01 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] Macro to switch Microphone input
In-Reply-To: <1498387053393-7632059.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1498387053393-7632059.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <11325E2E041B4F2BA2C996F82DC940AC@G4GNXLaptop>

AFAIK you can't use MP for the RP, FP controls.

You would need to select the MIC menu using MN053 then a series of DN and UP 
commands to move through the menu parameters.

MN053;DN;DN;MN255; will set Front Panel

MN053;DN;DN;UP;MN255; will set Rear Panel

MN053;DN;DN;UP;UP;MN255; will set Line In

73,

Alan. G4GNX

-----Original Message----- 
From: i5nph
Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2017 11:37 AM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] Macro to switch Microphone input

I am using firmware 05.57 and I am tryng to use the command MP to write 
macro
to switch Microphone from LINEIN and FPH.

But I get response MP?

This macro I know was working before.....it is very important because I work
JT65 and I would like to switch the way of the audio input (LINEIN and FPH)
without be forced to go to Menu.

Hope in some help

Thanks in advance

73


From ve3iay at gmail.com  Sun Jun 25 07:22:35 2017
From: ve3iay at gmail.com (Richard Ferch)
Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2017 07:22:35 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Macro to switch Microphone input
Message-ID: <CAJ-xeH=tWd6orhrbydHCWRjbcKHNMAyHeVRbKkOGRhJ1VjxOdQ@mail.gmail.com>

Why not use DATA A mode for JT65? You can set the input for DATA A to LIN
IN while leaving the input for voice modes on FP.H. You can switch between
voice modes and JT65 just using the MODE button, with no need for macros or
menus.

73,
Rich VE3KI

I5NPH wrote:

...it is very important because I work JT65 and I would like to switch the
way of the audio input (LINEIN and FPH) without be forced to go to Menu.

From nborghetti at alice.it  Sun Jun 25 08:23:09 2017
From: nborghetti at alice.it (i5nph)
Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2017 05:23:09 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] Macro to switch Microphone input
In-Reply-To: <11325E2E041B4F2BA2C996F82DC940AC@G4GNXLaptop>
References: <1498387053393-7632059.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<11325E2E041B4F2BA2C996F82DC940AC@G4GNXLaptop>
Message-ID: <1498393389605-7632062.post@n2.nabble.com>

Thanks VERY MUCH

73 and DX

Natale
i5nph



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From alkotte at home.nl  Sun Jun 25 12:01:55 2017
From: alkotte at home.nl (kotte)
Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2017 18:01:55 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] missing power
Message-ID: <000001d2edcc$5e723520$1b569f60$@home.nl>

Hi

I have a problem whit my K2

Normal power 0n 80 meter

5 watt on 40

0.2 watt on 30

2 watt on 20

7 watt on 17m

8 wat on 15 and 12 meter

9 watt on 10 meter

I rebuilt the bandpass filter and i am sure there are the right components
(band pass 30 and 20 meter)

I checked the low pass filter and that looks also alright 

Any body a suggestion?


From vronj at yahoo.com  Sun Jun 25 13:44:34 2017
From: vronj at yahoo.com (Vron Jones)
Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2017 17:44:34 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 SN 2615, KSB2 Rev D. manual
References: <801350398.2066378.1498412674450.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <801350398.2066378.1498412674450@mail.yahoo.com>

Hi!My K2 has no output on SSB. Works fine on CW.I need a PDF of the KSB2 Rev. D. manual.The current manual is Rev. G and assumes U3 is an SSB2166 that is surface mount with 14 pins.My U3 is an SSM2165, non-surface mount with 8 pins.
Where can I find a PDF of the older manual?Thanks.
Vron

From jthorpe at liberty.edu  Sun Jun 25 14:03:19 2017
From: jthorpe at liberty.edu (Thorpe, Jeffrey)
Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2017 18:03:19 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] XG50 temp comp for KX3
In-Reply-To: <WM!0889e6c5b40ee61d02665e8c74966708ce24158d5c2749073d2f05f37bb29d3e223e9967ecfff5f0665d8aacabf9fe86!@dmxscan2.liberty.edu>
References: <8BA3F702-0AAC-4E9F-8737-A59F227692F0@liberty.edu>
	<F11A344A-3348-47FE-BD8B-0C1BA850CE6D@wunderwood.org>,
	<WM!14a1005fc1844153189d1d929f6d59bbc43a3dc4700c907f791c66f72e582aac43bf75f8d599513735a22c7df225ba51!@dmxscan2.liberty.edu>
	<2546A44B-24DC-40A2-B35F-EA1C6BE0CEF2@liberty.edu>,
	<WM!0889e6c5b40ee61d02665e8c74966708ce24158d5c2749073d2f05f37bb29d3e223e9967ecfff5f0665d8aacabf9fe86!@dmxscan2.liberty.edu>
Message-ID: <2AE64A09-F1A7-41A6-BFBE-5BDCD7F52459@liberty.edu>

One other question: at the very end of the extended procedure, it says (in bold) to kake sure I do the refcal procedure at room temperature as it says in the manual.
Am I supposed to do the refcal again? - after the extended procedure? Or is this just a note/reminder regarding the reference calibration that I do before the extended procedure?

Jeff - KG7HDZ

> On Jun 24, 2017, at 6:14 PM, Thorpe, Jeffrey <jthorpe at liberty.edu> wrote:
> 
> Thanks Walter - Pretty much what I was thinking, but thought I would ask. That only costs a couple electrons and a minute.
> 
> Jeff - KG7HDZ
> 
> On Jun 24, 2017, at 6:06 PM, Walter Underwood <wunder at wunderwood.org<mailto:wunder at wunderwood.org>> wrote:
> 
> Should not be a problem. Good ol? RG-58 has 0.083 dB loss in three feet of cable at 50 MHz. That is about 2% of the signal. Another 2% won?t matter.
> 
> wunder
> K6WRU
> Walter Underwood
> CM87wj
> http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog)
> 
> On Jun 24, 2017, at 5:47 PM, Thorpe, Jeffrey <jthorpe at liberty.edu<mailto:jthorpe at liberty.edu>> wrote:
> 
> I am going to be doing the temperature compensation procedure for my KX3. The sheet for the XG50 says I can use a 3' 50-ohm cable. This probably seems like a silly question, but is it a big deal if I use a 6' cable? Is the signal so weak I have to worry about that extra (???) loss?
> 
> J
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From g4gnx at g4gnx.com  Sun Jun 25 15:30:37 2017
From: g4gnx at g4gnx.com (G4GNX)
Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2017 20:30:37 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 memory editor
In-Reply-To: <1b7667c1-4d57-161a-60c7-df57ebbbc209@gmail.com>
References: <10592D6656104812AACF7C0B34ADB627@G4GNXLaptop>
	<mpro.os1s0e0015ko504fs.groups@planet3.freeuk.co.uk>
	<8E662240887F41CD849E04D22E14BADF@G4GNXLaptop>
	<0bd93f66-3b56-813b-c359-2fd0467e8eb1@gmail.com>
	<535B708110684AD798A402C3FAD202F6@G4GNXLaptop>
	<1b7667c1-4d57-161a-60c7-df57ebbbc209@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <212E60DA0281474287A6ADE969482D7A@G4GNXLaptop>

The issue I was having with the Elecraft Frequency Memory Editor has now been resolved, thanks to a suggestion by Dick, K6KR.

Dick suggested using the Trace option to see if I could capture where the stall was taking place. When I went to turn the Trace option on, I realised that it was already on, so decided to firstly test the Editor with Trace turned off. Bingo! All works as expected with no stalling.

Having only just used the Editor for the first time, I did not realise that the Trace window is does not show in normal operation. The Editor still stalls with Trace on, but this may be normal. I?m not aware whether Trace is on by default when the program is installed, probably not, but it got turned on somehow!

I hope my experience will provide a fix for others who have experienced a similar ?issue?.

Once again, this proves that the choice of Elecraft is the best there can be. Where else do you get a direct reply from the author of the software within hours?

Thanks Dick for taking time out of your busy schedule. I know you didn?t actually have to fix anything, but if you?d not made the suggestion about using Trace, it may have taken me many hours to find the problem.

73,

Alan. G4GNX

From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Sun Jun 25 15:51:25 2017
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2017 15:51:25 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] missing power
In-Reply-To: <000001d2edcc$5e723520$1b569f60$@home.nl>
References: <000001d2edcc$5e723520$1b569f60$@home.nl>
Message-ID: <8a9043c3-7399-54c9-c59c-69dc60275be4@embarqmail.com>

I can offer no real suggestion with that sketchy data - other than ti 
say "it is not working right:>).

To obtain more information about where it is failing, I suggest you turn 
the manual to Appendix E and do the Transmit Signal Tracing steps 
indicated there.  You will need an RF Probe or a 'scope with the 10X 
probe.  The expected values listed are for an RF probe.  If you are 
using a 'scope, multiply those values by 3 to obtain the approximate 
peak to peak RF voltage indicated on a 'scope.

What you are looking for is the first stage where the RF voltage is 
substantially less than the expected values.  That is the output of the 
stage that is giving trouble.

Since you have the lowest output on 30 meters, I suggest you use that 
band instead of 40 meters.

Be certain to connect a dummy load on the K2.  Do not use an antenna.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 6/25/2017 12:01 PM, kotte wrote:
> Hi
> 
> I have a problem whit my K2
> 
> Normal power 0n 80 meter
> 
> 5 watt on 40
> 
> 0.2 watt on 30
> 
> 2 watt on 20
> 
> 7 watt on 17m
> 
> 8 wat on 15 and 12 meter
> 
> 9 watt on 10 meter
> 
> I rebuilt the bandpass filter and i am sure there are the right components
> (band pass 30 and 20 meter)
> 
> I checked the low pass filter and that looks also alright
> 
> Any body a suggestion?
> 
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From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Sun Jun 25 15:52:31 2017
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2017 15:52:31 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 SN 2615, KSB2 Rev D. manual
In-Reply-To: <801350398.2066378.1498412674450@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <801350398.2066378.1498412674450.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<801350398.2066378.1498412674450@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <bdb06bfd-26ee-5e73-0240-12fd5b799d25@embarqmail.com>

Vron,

I will send you a copy off-list.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 6/25/2017 1:44 PM, Vron Jones via Elecraft wrote:
> Hi!My K2 has no output on SSB. Works fine on CW.I need a PDF of the KSB2 Rev. D. manual.The current manual is Rev. G and assumes U3 is an SSB2166 that is surface mount with 14 pins.My U3 is an SSM2165, non-surface mount with 8 pins.
> Where can I find a PDF of the older manual?Thanks.

From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Sun Jun 25 16:03:47 2017
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2017 16:03:47 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] XG50 temp comp for KX3
In-Reply-To: <2AE64A09-F1A7-41A6-BFBE-5BDCD7F52459@liberty.edu>
References: <8BA3F702-0AAC-4E9F-8737-A59F227692F0@liberty.edu>
	<F11A344A-3348-47FE-BD8B-0C1BA850CE6D@wunderwood.org>
	<WM!14a1005fc1844153189d1d929f6d59bbc43a3dc4700c907f791c66f72e582aac43bf75f8d599513735a22c7df225ba51!@dmxscan2.liberty.edu>
	<2546A44B-24DC-40A2-B35F-EA1C6BE0CEF2@liberty.edu>
	<WM!0889e6c5b40ee61d02665e8c74966708ce24158d5c2749073d2f05f37bb29d3e223e9967ecfff5f0665d8aacabf9fe86!@dmxscan2.liberty.edu>
	<2AE64A09-F1A7-41A6-BFBE-5BDCD7F52459@liberty.edu>
Message-ID: <6ae29dbc-427e-6bb6-7c68-00d356e8b01b@embarqmail.com>

Jeff,

Yes, do it both at the beginning and end.  At the end, make certain your 
KX3 has fully acclimated to room temperature - I suggest at least an hour.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 6/25/2017 2:03 PM, Thorpe, Jeffrey wrote:
> One other question: at the very end of the extended procedure, it says (in bold) to kake sure I do the refcal procedure at room temperature as it says in the manual.
> Am I supposed to do the refcal again? - after the extended procedure? Or is this just a note/reminder regarding the reference calibration that I do before the extended procedure?
> 

From radioham at mchsi.com  Sun Jun 25 16:44:04 2017
From: radioham at mchsi.com (David Christ)
Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2017 15:44:04 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Items for sale from SK op
Message-ID: <7984088A-0ECC-414D-85D5-650D437F6EAA@mchsi.com>

This appeared on the Eastern Iowa DX Association reflector.  Some of the items may be of interest to people on this list.  this is only a partial list of items.

David K0LUM


A longtime Honorary Life member of EIDXA, Lew Gordon K4VX  of Hannibal, MO became a silent key in February, 2017.   Below is a list of some of his items and equipment which are for sale.  Anyone interested should contact Danny Pease, NG9R -- ng9r at ng9r.com <mailto:ng9r at ng9r.com>  217-430-2046.  Thanks.
 
Cliff K?CA 
 
= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =
 
K4VX (SK) Items For Sale
 
Due to the circumstances, all items listed are being sold as is. Many items are known to have been used recently, other items were known to have been working when last used but may have sat unused for a few years. Some items nothing is known at all. Some very limited testing may be done on a case by case basis. Send all inquiries to Danny Pease, ng9r at ng9r.com <mailto:ng9r at ng9r.com> 217-430-2046
 
Elecraft K3S w/2.8 and 400 Hz filters, less than 2 years old, recently used   $2500
OM Power 2000+  160 ? 6 meter amplifier, less than 3 years old, recently used    $2500
Elecraft K2, currently configured as a 10 watt unit with optional battery pack, KAT2 internal tuner, K160RX 160 meter option, KNB2 noise blanker, K2SB SSB option, 60 meter and transverter interface, KIO2 serial port. Included will be the KPA-100 100 watt PA assembly. Everything worked when last used. This radio was built and tested by Tom Hammonds, N?SS (SK).       $800
Elecraft XV-50 six meter transverter, worked when last used   $200


From n6tv at arrl.net  Sun Jun 25 20:07:22 2017
From: n6tv at arrl.net (Bob Wilson, N6TV)
Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2017 17:07:22 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 and Omnirig ...
In-Reply-To: <CAHMmR9U0S+77JhOrO_v5Frfao+XPYzK1YQx=bPwjSmk69f4jxw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHMmR9U0S+77JhOrO_v5Frfao+XPYzK1YQx=bPwjSmk69f4jxw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAOmNKGKE+bi4yp_jYekgJ7EK1gVJf_x=hzCxURUcQNyvvPa=RQ@mail.gmail.com>

According to the Elecraft Programmer's Reference
<http://www.elecraft.com/manual/K3S&K3&KX3&KX2%20Pgmrs%20Ref,%20G1.pdf>,
"The KX3 and KX2 accept all K3
commands, though some have no functional effect on the KX3/KX2 (*)".

So, in OmniRig, select radio type Elecraft K3, and everything supported by
OmniRig should work fine on the KX3.

Try the free OmniRig client <http://dxatlas.com/OmniRig/Files/Client.zip>
to test all the supported functions. See also the OmniRig Tester's Guide
<http://dxatlas.com/omnirig/BetaTest.txt>.

73,
Bob, N6TV

On Fri, Jun 23, 2017 at 9:11 AM, john mcleod <jaanmcleod at gmail.com> wrote:

> Has anybody had any experience with coming up with an omnirig ini file for
> the KX2 ? Failing that, any pointers to how to come up with a new file ?
> I've read the Afreet readme files, but am still no wiser as to how to go
> about this.
>
> Thanks !!
>
> John  N6RCD
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From jaanmcleod at gmail.com  Sun Jun 25 23:35:19 2017
From: jaanmcleod at gmail.com (john mcleod)
Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2017 20:35:19 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 and Omnirig ...
In-Reply-To: <CAOmNKGKE+bi4yp_jYekgJ7EK1gVJf_x=hzCxURUcQNyvvPa=RQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHMmR9U0S+77JhOrO_v5Frfao+XPYzK1YQx=bPwjSmk69f4jxw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAOmNKGKE+bi4yp_jYekgJ7EK1gVJf_x=hzCxURUcQNyvvPa=RQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAHMmR9Vi_qK0nkk9qQcEG0AbPq_kh=uCtq6Ht7GJB-Hf=5PA9Q@mail.gmail.com>

Hey, great, thanks for the tip Bob. The K3 setting works perfectly well for
my needs. Thanks again !!!

John  N6RCD


On Sun, Jun 25, 2017 at 5:07 PM, Bob Wilson, N6TV <n6tv at arrl.net> wrote:

> According to the Elecraft Programmer's Reference
> <http://www.elecraft.com/manual/K3S&K3&KX3&KX2%20Pgmrs%20Ref,%20G1.pdf>,
> "The KX3 and KX2 accept all K3
> commands, though some have no functional effect on the KX3/KX2 (*)".
>
> So, in OmniRig, select radio type Elecraft K3, and everything supported by
> OmniRig should work fine on the KX3.
>
> Try the free OmniRig client <http://dxatlas.com/OmniRig/Files/Client.zip>
> to test all the supported functions. See also the OmniRig Tester's Guide
> <http://dxatlas.com/omnirig/BetaTest.txt>.
>
> 73,
> Bob, N6TV
>
> On Fri, Jun 23, 2017 at 9:11 AM, john mcleod <jaanmcleod at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Has anybody had any experience with coming up with an omnirig ini file for
>> the KX2 ? Failing that, any pointers to how to come up with a new file ?
>> I've read the Afreet readme files, but am still no wiser as to how to go
>> about this.
>>
>> Thanks !!
>>
>> John  N6RCD
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From ebasilier at cox.net  Mon Jun 26 07:36:02 2017
From: ebasilier at cox.net (Erik Basilier)
Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2017 04:36:02 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] ATU and Bandpass Filter
In-Reply-To: <cSof1v00q45oxQM01SogqN>
References: <CAGchGNsX2ELp3WwfA2=T_EGncAVcnvoHtK9t9YSXQsYK3BG1vQ@mail.gmail.com>	<2E740DE0-A9BE-4C27-B980-8E0EA6A80373@gmail.com>	<4cfba4f4-c2bf-e4c4-77cb-bd95c1d3d918@embarqmail.com>	<CAGchGNvZcL07z2Qh3mqosA4qkbE_0GCrLzHwhaRerQRY1F1QbA@mail.gmail.com>	<99933c3b-2a1e-261c-7afe-efe4e2fdc0fe@embarqmail.com>
	<cSof1v00q45oxQM01SogqN>
Message-ID: <02eb01d2ee70$63e0cb30$2ba26190$@cox.net>

* Band pass filters are likely to be specified for operation at any
impedance consistent with a certain maximum allowable swr. Mine (made by
LBS) tolerate swr up to 2:1. As long as the antenna meets that requirement,
there is no need for a tuner between filter and antenna.

* A good multiband antenna that offers a 2:1 match or better over multiple
frequency ranges of interest will work with filters just as well as a
monoband antenna with similar spec's. 

* There are "multiband" antennas out there that do not by design meet the
2:1 requirement, particularly not on all the bands supposedly covered. The
G5RV would be one example. Such antennas owe their popularity to the fact
that they provide something resembling resonance on certain bands (but with
swr higher than 2:1), and many tuners can cover up the mismatch. For a given
multiband antenna it would be a good idea to measure swr across each band
before considering use of bandpass filters, and verify swr lower than 2:1.
Yes, a tuner could be placed between antenna and filter, but it may not be
very practical. The tuner would have to be tuned up on different frequencies
as needed, and the measurement should then be done at the radio side of the
tuner (not measuring through the filter).

* What happens if you use the bandpass filter with an antenna that is not
2:1 swr or better? Isolation is likely to suffer, but whether isolation is
good enough will depend on individual requirements. Power handling is a
major consideration. I have been advised to substantially oversize the power
rating of the filter when connecting to an antenna moderately worse than
2:1. That should be kept in mind when an antenna such as a G5RV is to be
used.

* A true multiband antenna (i.e. one that simultaneously provides low swr on
each band to be used) can be used with a multiplexer that provides separate
radio-side connectors for each band. Such a multiplexer is always used with
separate bandpass filters on each of the radio-side connectors. In this
situation, the multiplexer provides isolation that adds to that provided by
the bandpass filters. The radios using the different branches of this
arrangement are likely to see isolation much better than they would with
separate antennas and bandpass filters only. Multiple radios on different
bands can transmit simultaneously through the one shared multiband antenna.
The need to orient separate antennas carefully relative to each other is
thus eliminated. The cost of the multiplexer can be balanced against the
cost and effort for installing separate antennas. Of course, a multiband
antenna does not offer the freedom to adjust pointing direction
independently for the different bands. To qualify as a multiband antenna in
the multiplexed context, it must be simultaneously "resonant" for multiple
bands. An antenna that must be retuned when changing bands, such as with a
remote motor-driven adjustement, no matter how quick and automated, would
not work.

* The multiplexer is similar to the bandpass filters in requiring low swr
(such as 2:1 or better), so if modestly higher swr's will be encountered,
both the multiplexer and bandpass filters must be substantially oversized in
terms of power rating.

73,
Erik K7TV

-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net
[mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Bob McGraw K4TAX
Sent: Friday, June 23, 2017 7:47 PM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] ATU and Bandpass Filter

If one chooses to use band pass filters then one should anticipate using 
an external antenna tuner as well.   This of course depends largely on 
the antenna and the impedance of the antenna at a given frequency.    If 
one is using resonant antennas with a reasonably close 50 ohm impedance then
all is well.  If one is using a multiband antenna the impedance is 
likely to vary widely and be far from 50 ohms.   As to a beam, if it is 
correctly adjusted, it should provide a reasonably close impedance to 50
ohms on all band for which it is designed.

I find many hams are grossly over concerned with SWR values.  For example;
100 ft of RG-8X operating with a 2:1 SWR at 14 MHz will have a 
total loss of 1.5 dB.   Where as the same length of coax with a 1:1 SWR 
will have a loss of 1.2 dB.  A difference of only 0.3 dB.  With the same
configuration at 28 MHz, the loss with a 2:1 SWR will be 2.1 dB and with a
1:1 SWR the loss will be 1.8 dB a difference of 0.3 dB.

My point is..........hams are grossly over concerned about having a 1:1 
match.  Factually, it isn't that dang important.   As you can see, there 
is little difference in total loss.  Thus of 100 watts power fed into the
line at 14 MHz and a 2:1 SWR the power at the antenna will be 70 watts.
Where as 100 watts fed into the line at 14 MHz with a 1:1 SWR the power at
the antenna is 75.8 watts.  These are real numbers, thus a difference of
only ~5 watts.  The only thing affecting loss is the loss in the
transmission line which is present to some degree regardless of the SWR
match.

73

Bob, K4TAX



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From ki0gqrp at gmail.com  Mon Jun 26 09:21:16 2017
From: ki0gqrp at gmail.com (Bob Cutter)
Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2017 07:21:16 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] QRP GOTA
Message-ID: <B97C3145-7FCD-4B32-B8C2-505C8CA00CD9@gmail.com>

I know, QRP SSB during FD at the bottom of the cycle. What a surprise, all 15 or so candidates made one or more contact. 

Our regular GOTA guy for Ski Country ARC, K0RV-2A Colorado, took a year off so I volunteered.  We used my VW Camper, end fed UNUN and KX3.

Here are some observations:

1.  The small foot print of the KX3 and Camper seemed to relax people. 

2.  Dual head phones helped in tuning a signal, so important during crowded conditions. 

3.  The KX3 filters did a fine job on QRM from the other two nearby 100 watt transmitters. 

4.  I participated in a large Multi-Multi CQWW operation where there was a "desk clerk" bell at each station which was rung when we got a new Multi. I honked the horn instead for each new GOTA contact. The reaction from everyone was amazing. 

72, Bob KI0G 

From w3cmp at comcast.net  Mon Jun 26 10:45:28 2017
From: w3cmp at comcast.net (w3cmp)
Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2017 10:45:28 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] I'm 8
Message-ID: <1lhjmk7iju1rochke28hxm1u.1487860551945@email.android.com>


    
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Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device88imp 8

From f8acf56 at yahoo.fr  Mon Jun 26 15:09:09 2017
From: f8acf56 at yahoo.fr (Christophe F8ACF-56)
Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2017 19:09:09 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] k2   and kpa 100
References: <697897742.4228927.1498504149919.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <697897742.4228927.1498504149919@mail.yahoo.com>

Good evening to all ,
The K2 modifications to put the KPA 100

Should they be made, before putting the KPA 100?

For the first tests step 2 of the KPA100 with dialogue and assembly in the K2, well step 3 or we have mounted the transistors of the final

Thank you in advance for your remarks
?73 , Christophe F8ACF-56

From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Mon Jun 26 15:34:36 2017
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2017 15:34:36 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] k2 and kpa 100
In-Reply-To: <697897742.4228927.1498504149919@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <697897742.4228927.1498504149919.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<697897742.4228927.1498504149919@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <bf6f5162-87bb-91ac-8f8c-fe9c52ec5df8@embarqmail.com>

Christophe,

If your K2 serial number is 3000 or greater, those modifications do not 
have to be done at all, they are already present on the RF Board.

You do need to mount the headers at P3 and P6 and remove pin 4 from the 
10 pin header at Control Board P4.

Those changes may be made at any time.

I am confused about your question of "first tests step 2 of the KPA100 
with dialog and assembly in the K2"  I think we have a language barrier.
Please restate with reference to the page number in the manual.

Assembly, Part 1 (page 12) comes before the "Initial Tests" (page 22) 
and the PA transistors are not mounted.

Sorry, but my French is lacking.  I spent 15 months in France with the 
Army in 1963/4 but learned only enough words to buy what I needed or 
order a meal.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 6/26/2017 3:09 PM, Christophe F8ACF-56 via Elecraft wrote:
> Good evening to all ,
> The K2 modifications to put the KPA 100
> 
> Should they be made, before putting the KPA 100?
> 
> For the first tests step 2 of the KPA100 with dialogue and assembly in the K2, well step 3 or we have mounted the transistors of the final
> 
> Thank you in advance for your remarks
>   73 , Christophe F8ACF-56
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From tommy58 at hvc.rr.com  Mon Jun 26 19:06:48 2017
From: tommy58 at hvc.rr.com (Tommy)
Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2017 19:06:48 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Just joined!
Message-ID: <65f611f1-4617-8987-78a8-4bae57a6f193@hvc.rr.com>

   Well I took the plunge and just ordered my first Elecraft radio, the 
KX2! I also ordered the ATU and battery/charger. Will the ATU be 
installed before shipping?

Just a quick hello. Been reading the mail list on the list web site and 
just joined it as well.

73!

Tom - KB2SMS



From n6kr at elecraft.com  Mon Jun 26 19:11:39 2017
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2017 16:11:39 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Just joined!
In-Reply-To: <65f611f1-4617-8987-78a8-4bae57a6f193@hvc.rr.com>
References: <65f611f1-4617-8987-78a8-4bae57a6f193@hvc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <E78B027F-A95B-4D7A-AAF9-96375AD50E61@elecraft.com>

Hi Tom,

Yes, the ATU will be installed at the factory. Let me know if you have questions about the rig.

73,
Wayne
N6KR


> On Jun 26, 2017, at 4:06 PM, Tommy <tommy58 at hvc.rr.com> wrote:
> 
>  Well I took the plunge and just ordered my first Elecraft radio, the KX2! I also ordered the ATU and battery/charger. Will the ATU be installed before shipping?
> 
> Just a quick hello. Been reading the mail list on the list web site and just joined it as well.
> 
> 73!
> 
> Tom - KB2SMS



From ch at murgatroid.com  Mon Jun 26 19:11:58 2017
From: ch at murgatroid.com (Christopher Hoover)
Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2017 16:11:58 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S USB audio output needs to be adjustable in Menu
In-Reply-To: <9e2c7.5d9276dc.467d5901@aol.com>
References: <9e2c7.5d9276dc.467d5901@aol.com>
Message-ID: <CACw0PsYk_FSt8oNaWxL5VDFObyQg8FZayngj+RA=oMvPHXynig@mail.gmail.com>

USB audio with the default settings has been fine for me from the first
day.     Check your settings?

On Thu, Jun 22, 2017 at 10:31 AM, Dick via Elecraft <
elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:

> Hello Elecraft,
>
> When feeding the audio from the K3S USB port to the CPU, the K3S audio
> level is extremely high and way too hot for good performance  on many
> digital
> modes.
>
> Example, even with my CPU's sound card set at the lowest possible level of
> "01" my K3S is hitting the JT-65 software with a super strong signal that
> is  much higher than the software wants to see and performance is degraded.
> The same is true when operating RTTY using MMTTY or 2Tone software.
>
> The USB audio output on the K3S needs to be adjustable in the K3S Menu as
> it was on the K3 Serial port.
>
> I wrote to you a few months ago about this without a positive  reply.
> Please address this serious issue.
>
> Thank you-
>
> Richard Van Zandt- K9OM
>
>
>
> In a message dated 6/2/2017 7:28:48 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
> elecraft-request at mailman.qth.net writes:
>
> If you  are using Line Out with a fixed gain setting to feed audio to
> WSJT-X,  adjusting the AF control will not do anything. What I do is leave
> my RF  gain control at its normal position (around 3 o'clock) and use the
> slider  at the lower left in the WSJT-X window to compensate for  gain
> variations.
>
> 73,
> Rich VE3KI
>
> W3FPR wrote:
>
> >  Bret,
> >
> > You may have better luck with running the RF Gain full  and adjusting
> > with the AF gain.  That way the RX AGC will smooth  out variations in the
> > signal level.
> >
> > 73,
> > Don  W3FPR
>
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From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Mon Jun 26 19:13:28 2017
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2017 19:13:28 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Just joined!
In-Reply-To: <65f611f1-4617-8987-78a8-4bae57a6f193@hvc.rr.com>
References: <65f611f1-4617-8987-78a8-4bae57a6f193@hvc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <d98f020c-77ae-f1f9-c821-f9fdf3ccff1d@embarqmail.com>

Tom,

Your KX2 will come fully assembled with all the options you ordered at 
the same time as the KX2.
Options ordered afterward have to be installed by the owner unless the 
KX2 is sent back to the factory (you need an RSA assigned for that - 
contact support).

73,
Don W3FPR

On 6/26/2017 7:06 PM, Tommy wrote:
>    Well I took the plunge and just ordered my first Elecraft radio, the 
> KX2! I also ordered the ATU and battery/charger. Will the ATU be 
> installed before shipping?
> 
> Just a quick hello. Been reading the mail list on the list web site and 
> just joined it as well.

From tommy58 at hvc.rr.com  Mon Jun 26 19:16:06 2017
From: tommy58 at hvc.rr.com (Tommy)
Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2017 19:16:06 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Just joined!
In-Reply-To: <E78B027F-A95B-4D7A-AAF9-96375AD50E61@elecraft.com>
References: <65f611f1-4617-8987-78a8-4bae57a6f193@hvc.rr.com>
	<E78B027F-A95B-4D7A-AAF9-96375AD50E61@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <52d1e3fd-602b-bd7a-f41d-56e6b43ea3de@hvc.rr.com>

  Thank you Wayne I will!

73!



On 06/26/2017 07:11 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
> Hi Tom,
>
> Yes, the ATU will be installed at the factory. Let me know if you have questions about the rig.
>
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR
>
>
>> On Jun 26, 2017, at 4:06 PM, Tommy <tommy58 at hvc.rr.com> wrote:
>>
>>   Well I took the plunge and just ordered my first Elecraft radio, the KX2! I also ordered the ATU and battery/charger. Will the ATU be installed before shipping?
>>
>> Just a quick hello. Been reading the mail list on the list web site and just joined it as well.
>>
>> 73!
>>
>> Tom - KB2SMS
>
>


From hsherriff at reagan.com  Mon Jun 26 19:46:03 2017
From: hsherriff at reagan.com (Harlan Sherriff)
Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2017 19:46:03 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Just joined!
In-Reply-To: <52d1e3fd-602b-bd7a-f41d-56e6b43ea3de@hvc.rr.com>
References: <65f611f1-4617-8987-78a8-4bae57a6f193@hvc.rr.com>
	<E78B027F-A95B-4D7A-AAF9-96375AD50E61@elecraft.com>
	<52d1e3fd-602b-bd7a-f41d-56e6b43ea3de@hvc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <79F3BF73-4CC3-49A5-87A1-0BEF46D8584A@reagan.com>

Welcome aboard both the reflector and the Elecraft owner family. You will love that rig. 
Harlan
K4HES

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 26, 2017, at 7:16 PM, Tommy <tommy58 at hvc.rr.com> wrote:
> 
> Thank you Wayne I will!
> 
> 73!
> 
> 
> 
>> On 06/26/2017 07:11 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
>> Hi Tom,
>> 
>> Yes, the ATU will be installed at the factory. Let me know if you have questions about the rig.
>> 
>> 73,
>> Wayne
>> N6KR
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 26, 2017, at 4:06 PM, Tommy <tommy58 at hvc.rr.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>  Well I took the plunge and just ordered my first Elecraft radio, the KX2! I also ordered the ATU and battery/charger. Will the ATU be installed before shipping?
>>> 
>>> Just a quick hello. Been reading the mail list on the list web site and just joined it as well.
>>> 
>>> 73!
>>> 
>>> Tom - KB2SMS
>> 
>> 
> 
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From jim.w4atk at gmail.com  Mon Jun 26 20:59:56 2017
From: jim.w4atk at gmail.com (Jim Rogers)
Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2017 19:59:56 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S USB audio output needs to be adjustable in Menu
In-Reply-To: <CACw0PsYk_FSt8oNaWxL5VDFObyQg8FZayngj+RA=oMvPHXynig@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9e2c7.5d9276dc.467d5901@aol.com>
	<CACw0PsYk_FSt8oNaWxL5VDFObyQg8FZayngj+RA=oMvPHXynig@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <522ab823-0a73-09bd-ee7b-da03a1c5fe32@gmail.com>

Richard - I second your report, there is no fine adjustment for the USB 
audio on the K3s either in received audio or transmitted audio. When the 
band is noisy, I have to reduce LIN OUT to 01 or alternatively reduce 
the overall system gain with the RF gain (which in the case of the K3 
and K3s is IF gain).

When operating meteor scatter on 2M with an Elecraft K144XV transverter 
I had to reduce the audio drive from the JT65 software to 50% to prevent 
RF power out overshoot and hunting, typical in over-driven closed loop 
systems. This allowed me to advance LIN IN and the end result was the 
power detection system of the K3s settled down.

There are work-arounds.

Jim, W4ATK

K-Line, K2/10


On 6/26/2017 6:11 PM, Christopher Hoover wrote:
> USB audio with the default settings has been fine for me from the first
> day.     Check your settings?
>
> On Thu, Jun 22, 2017 at 10:31 AM, Dick via Elecraft <
> elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
>
>> Hello Elecraft,
>>
>> When feeding the audio from the K3S USB port to the CPU, the K3S audio
>> level is extremely high and way too hot for good performance  on many
>> digital
>> modes.
>>
>> Example, even with my CPU's sound card set at the lowest possible level of
>> "01" my K3S is hitting the JT-65 software with a super strong signal that
>> is  much higher than the software wants to see and performance is degraded.
>> The same is true when operating RTTY using MMTTY or 2Tone software.
>>
>> The USB audio output on the K3S needs to be adjustable in the K3S Menu as
>> it was on the K3 Serial port.
>>
>> I wrote to you a few months ago about this without a positive  reply.
>> Please address this serious issue.
>>
>> Thank you-
>>
>> Richard Van Zandt- K9OM
>>
>>
>>
>> In a message dated 6/2/2017 7:28:48 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
>> elecraft-request at mailman.qth.net writes:
>>
>> If you  are using Line Out with a fixed gain setting to feed audio to
>> WSJT-X,  adjusting the AF control will not do anything. What I do is leave
>> my RF  gain control at its normal position (around 3 o'clock) and use the
>> slider  at the lower left in the WSJT-X window to compensate for  gain
>> variations.
>>
>> 73,
>> Rich VE3KI
>>
>> W3FPR wrote:
>>
>>>   Bret,
>>>
>>> You may have better luck with running the RF Gain full  and adjusting
>>> with the AF gain.  That way the RX AGC will smooth  out variations in the
>>> signal level.
>>>
>>> 73,
>>> Don  W3FPR
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From ns9i at bayland.net  Mon Jun 26 21:08:06 2017
From: ns9i at bayland.net (dgb)
Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2017 20:08:06 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S USB audio output needs to be adjustable in Menu
In-Reply-To: <522ab823-0a73-09bd-ee7b-da03a1c5fe32@gmail.com>
References: <9e2c7.5d9276dc.467d5901@aol.com>
	<CACw0PsYk_FSt8oNaWxL5VDFObyQg8FZayngj+RA=oMvPHXynig@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <d3ad02c3-ab3d-91ce-3b11-9fe54c53ba2a@bayland.net>

Can't help but wonder, is anyone adjusting the recording and playback in 
Windows?

Mine works fine by adjusting those. I don't do any vhf though.

73 Dwight NS9I


On 6/26/2017 7:59 PM, Jim Rogers wrote:
> Richard - I second your report, there is no fine adjustment for the 
> USB audio on the K3s either in received audio or transmitted audio. 
> When the band is noisy, I have to reduce LIN OUT to 01 or 
> alternatively reduce the overall system gain with the RF gain (which 
> in the case of the K3 and K3s is IF gain).
>
> When operating meteor scatter on 2M with an Elecraft K144XV 
> transverter I had to reduce the audio drive from the JT65 software to 
> 50% to prevent RF power out overshoot and hunting, typical in 
> over-driven closed loop systems. This allowed me to advance LIN IN and 
> the end result was the power detection system of the K3s settled down.
>
> There are work-arounds.
>
> Jim, W4ATK
>
> K-Line, K2/10
>
>
> On 6/26/2017 6:11 PM, Christopher Hoover wrote:
>> USB audio with the default settings has been fine for me from the first
>> day.     Check your settings?
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 22, 2017 at 10:31 AM, Dick via Elecraft <
>> elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello Elecraft,
>>>
>>> When feeding the audio from the K3S USB port to the CPU, the K3S audio
>>> level is extremely high and way too hot for good performance on many
>>> digital
>>> modes.
>>>
>>> Example, even with my CPU's sound card set at the lowest possible 
>>> level of
>>> "01" my K3S is hitting the JT-65 software with a super strong signal 
>>> that
>>> is  much higher than the software wants to see and performance is 
>>> degraded.
>>> The same is true when operating RTTY using MMTTY or 2Tone software.
>>>
>>> The USB audio output on the K3S needs to be adjustable in the K3S 
>>> Menu as
>>> it was on the K3 Serial port.
>>>
>>> I wrote to you a few months ago about this without a positive reply.
>>> Please address this serious issue.
>>>
>>> Thank you-
>>>
>>> Richard Van Zandt- K9OM
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> In a message dated 6/2/2017 7:28:48 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
>>> elecraft-request at mailman.qth.net writes:
>>>
>>> If you  are using Line Out with a fixed gain setting to feed audio to
>>> WSJT-X,  adjusting the AF control will not do anything. What I do is 
>>> leave
>>> my RF  gain control at its normal position (around 3 o'clock) and 
>>> use the
>>> slider  at the lower left in the WSJT-X window to compensate for  gain
>>> variations.
>>>
>>> 73,
>>> Rich VE3KI
>>>
>>> W3FPR wrote:
>>>
>>>>   Bret,
>>>>
>>>> You may have better luck with running the RF Gain full  and adjusting
>>>> with the AF gain.  That way the RX AGC will smooth  out variations 
>>>> in the
>>>> signal level.
>>>>
>>>> 73,
>>>> Don  W3FPR
>>> ______________________________________________________________
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From k2av.guy at gmail.com  Mon Jun 26 22:00:49 2017
From: k2av.guy at gmail.com (Guy Olinger K2AV)
Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2017 22:00:49 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S USB audio output needs to be adjustable in Menu
In-Reply-To: <d3ad02c3-ab3d-91ce-3b11-9fe54c53ba2a@bayland.net>
References: <9e2c7.5d9276dc.467d5901@aol.com>
	<CACw0PsYk_FSt8oNaWxL5VDFObyQg8FZayngj+RA=oMvPHXynig@mail.gmail.com>
	<522ab823-0a73-09bd-ee7b-da03a1c5fe32@gmail.com>
	<d3ad02c3-ab3d-91ce-3b11-9fe54c53ba2a@bayland.net>
Message-ID: <CANckpc1AbjwgD+Xpso3WedrQE6424OhQVOXhGojjCjYxvrsWYw@mail.gmail.com>

Gotta remember that there's no audio here, just numbers that represent
audio. Somewhere in the PC there is a setting that instructs a program to
set a reference level for the digital signal. It's not at all like running
coax from line out jacks. The digital doesn't pick up hum or flat-top. Just
numbers being thrown around. Audio from the K3S via USB is never actual
audio in the K3S. After the low IF hits the A/D converter, it's number soup
everywhere between the A/D and the far end of the USB cable.

On Mon, Jun 26, 2017 at 9:08 PM, dgb <ns9i at bayland.net> wrote:

> Can't help but wonder, is anyone adjusting the recording and playback in
> Windows?
>
> Mine works fine by adjusting those. I don't do any vhf though.
>
> 73 Dwight NS9I
>
>
>
> On 6/26/2017 7:59 PM, Jim Rogers wrote:
>
>> Richard - I second your report, there is no fine adjustment for the USB
>> audio on the K3s either in received audio or transmitted audio. When the
>> band is noisy, I have to reduce LIN OUT to 01 or alternatively reduce the
>> overall system gain with the RF gain (which in the case of the K3 and K3s
>> is IF gain).
>>
>> When operating meteor scatter on 2M with an Elecraft K144XV transverter I
>> had to reduce the audio drive from the JT65 software to 50% to prevent RF
>> power out overshoot and hunting, typical in over-driven closed loop
>> systems. This allowed me to advance LIN IN and the end result was the power
>> detection system of the K3s settled down.
>>
>> There are work-arounds.
>>
>> Jim, W4ATK
>>
>> K-Line, K2/10
>>
>>
>> On 6/26/2017 6:11 PM, Christopher Hoover wrote:
>>
>>> USB audio with the default settings has been fine for me from the first
>>> day.     Check your settings?
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jun 22, 2017 at 10:31 AM, Dick via Elecraft <
>>> elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello Elecraft,
>>>>
>>>> When feeding the audio from the K3S USB port to the CPU, the K3S audio
>>>> level is extremely high and way too hot for good performance on many
>>>> digital
>>>> modes.
>>>>
>>>> Example, even with my CPU's sound card set at the lowest possible level
>>>> of
>>>> "01" my K3S is hitting the JT-65 software with a super strong signal
>>>> that
>>>> is  much higher than the software wants to see and performance is
>>>> degraded.
>>>> The same is true when operating RTTY using MMTTY or 2Tone software.
>>>>
>>>> The USB audio output on the K3S needs to be adjustable in the K3S Menu
>>>> as
>>>> it was on the K3 Serial port.
>>>>
>>>> I wrote to you a few months ago about this without a positive reply.
>>>> Please address this serious issue.
>>>>
>>>> Thank you-
>>>>
>>>> Richard Van Zandt- K9OM
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> In a message dated 6/2/2017 7:28:48 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
>>>> elecraft-request at mailman.qth.net writes:
>>>>
>>>> If you  are using Line Out with a fixed gain setting to feed audio to
>>>> WSJT-X,  adjusting the AF control will not do anything. What I do is
>>>> leave
>>>> my RF  gain control at its normal position (around 3 o'clock) and use
>>>> the
>>>> slider  at the lower left in the WSJT-X window to compensate for  gain
>>>> variations.
>>>>
>>>> 73,
>>>> Rich VE3KI
>>>>
>>>> W3FPR wrote:
>>>>
>>>>   Bret,
>>>>>
>>>>> You may have better luck with running the RF Gain full  and adjusting
>>>>> with the AF gain.  That way the RX AGC will smooth  out variations in
>>>>> the
>>>>> signal level.
>>>>>
>>>>> 73,
>>>>> Don  W3FPR
>>>>>
>>>> ______________________________________________________________
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From nr4c at widomaker.com  Mon Jun 26 23:00:00 2017
From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c)
Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2017 23:00:00 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Where are the K3 FW and CONFIG files on my Win 10
	computer?
Message-ID: <0FF07708-3799-4320-A073-478751DA24B2@widomaker.com>

See subject. 

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill


From lists at subich.com  Mon Jun 26 23:02:36 2017
From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV)
Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2017 23:02:36 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S USB audio output needs to be adjustable in Menu
In-Reply-To: <CANckpc1AbjwgD+Xpso3WedrQE6424OhQVOXhGojjCjYxvrsWYw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9e2c7.5d9276dc.467d5901@aol.com>
	<CACw0PsYk_FSt8oNaWxL5VDFObyQg8FZayngj+RA=oMvPHXynig@mail.gmail.com>
	<522ab823-0a73-09bd-ee7b-da03a1c5fe32@gmail.com>
	<d3ad02c3-ab3d-91ce-3b11-9fe54c53ba2a@bayland.net>
	<CANckpc1AbjwgD+Xpso3WedrQE6424OhQVOXhGojjCjYxvrsWYw@mail.gmail.com>
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On 6/26/2017 10:00 PM, Guy Olinger K2AV wrote:
> Audio from the K3S via USB is never actual audio in the K3S. After 
> the low IF hits the A/D converter, it's number soup everywhere
> between the A/D and the far end of the USB cable. 

Wrong!  The stereo input of "USB Audio CODEC" is fed by the "Line
Out" analog audio.  Adjusting MENU:LIN OUT will adjust the audio
level into USB Audio CODEC.

73,

    ... Joe, W4TV


On 6/26/2017 10:00 PM, Guy Olinger K2AV wrote:
> Gotta remember that there's no audio here, just numbers that represent
> audio. Somewhere in the PC there is a setting that instructs a program to
> set a reference level for the digital signal. It's not at all like running
> coax from line out jacks. The digital doesn't pick up hum or flat-top. Just
> numbers being thrown around. Audio from the K3S via USB is never actual
> audio in the K3S. After the low IF hits the A/D converter, it's number soup
> everywhere between the A/D and the far end of the USB cable.
> 
> On Mon, Jun 26, 2017 at 9:08 PM, dgb <ns9i at bayland.net> wrote:
> 
>> Can't help but wonder, is anyone adjusting the recording and playback in
>> Windows?
>>
>> Mine works fine by adjusting those. I don't do any vhf though.
>>
>> 73 Dwight NS9I
>>
>>
>>
>> On 6/26/2017 7:59 PM, Jim Rogers wrote:
>>
>>> Richard - I second your report, there is no fine adjustment for the USB
>>> audio on the K3s either in received audio or transmitted audio. When the
>>> band is noisy, I have to reduce LIN OUT to 01 or alternatively reduce the
>>> overall system gain with the RF gain (which in the case of the K3 and K3s
>>> is IF gain).
>>>
>>> When operating meteor scatter on 2M with an Elecraft K144XV transverter I
>>> had to reduce the audio drive from the JT65 software to 50% to prevent RF
>>> power out overshoot and hunting, typical in over-driven closed loop
>>> systems. This allowed me to advance LIN IN and the end result was the power
>>> detection system of the K3s settled down.
>>>
>>> There are work-arounds.
>>>
>>> Jim, W4ATK
>>>
>>> K-Line, K2/10
>>>
>>>
>>> On 6/26/2017 6:11 PM, Christopher Hoover wrote:
>>>
>>>> USB audio with the default settings has been fine for me from the first
>>>> day.     Check your settings?
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Jun 22, 2017 at 10:31 AM, Dick via Elecraft <
>>>> elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hello Elecraft,
>>>>>
>>>>> When feeding the audio from the K3S USB port to the CPU, the K3S audio
>>>>> level is extremely high and way too hot for good performance on many
>>>>> digital
>>>>> modes.
>>>>>
>>>>> Example, even with my CPU's sound card set at the lowest possible level
>>>>> of
>>>>> "01" my K3S is hitting the JT-65 software with a super strong signal
>>>>> that
>>>>> is  much higher than the software wants to see and performance is
>>>>> degraded.
>>>>> The same is true when operating RTTY using MMTTY or 2Tone software.
>>>>>
>>>>> The USB audio output on the K3S needs to be adjustable in the K3S Menu
>>>>> as
>>>>> it was on the K3 Serial port.
>>>>>
>>>>> I wrote to you a few months ago about this without a positive reply.
>>>>> Please address this serious issue.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you-
>>>>>
>>>>> Richard Van Zandt- K9OM
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> In a message dated 6/2/2017 7:28:48 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
>>>>> elecraft-request at mailman.qth.net writes:
>>>>>
>>>>> If you  are using Line Out with a fixed gain setting to feed audio to
>>>>> WSJT-X,  adjusting the AF control will not do anything. What I do is
>>>>> leave
>>>>> my RF  gain control at its normal position (around 3 o'clock) and use
>>>>> the
>>>>> slider  at the lower left in the WSJT-X window to compensate for  gain
>>>>> variations.
>>>>>
>>>>> 73,
>>>>> Rich VE3KI
>>>>>
>>>>> W3FPR wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>    Bret,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You may have better luck with running the RF Gain full  and adjusting
>>>>>> with the AF gain.  That way the RX AGC will smooth  out variations in
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> signal level.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 73,
>>>>>> Don  W3FPR
>>>>>>
>>>>> ______________________________________________________________
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From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Mon Jun 26 23:43:15 2017
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2017 23:43:15 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S USB audio output needs to be adjustable in Menu
In-Reply-To: <522ab823-0a73-09bd-ee7b-da03a1c5fe32@gmail.com>
References: <9e2c7.5d9276dc.467d5901@aol.com>
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Message-ID: <bd175ce6-7f2f-9e23-f164-0ca60ff82634@embarqmail.com>

Jim,

What are the settings for the K3S CODEC in the computer?
Look at your soundcard settings and set them to something lower.  There 
is normally no need for an additional control in the K3S other than the 
normal LINE IN gain settings.  The settings for the K3/K3S computer LINE 
OUT (or SPKR) should be about 50%. but lower is K too.  The K3/K3S 
should be set to some mid-range value.  If very low or very high, adjust 
the computer soundcard settings until it adjusts in the K3/K3S midrange.

Same goes for LINE OUT - the soundcard LINE IN should be set to about 
50% in the computer, set K3/K3S LINE OUT to some value near 8 or 10.

For soundcard data modes, you need to adjust the audio drive level for 4 
bars solid on the ALC mater with the 5th bar flashing - that is the NO 
ALC point for the K3/K3S.  Adjust the power level with the POWER knob. 
To do it like the JT instructions tell you will lead to power "hunting" 
which will include power overshoot.

Ignore the JT instructions and the common internet advice which is to 
set the power to full and adjust the power with the audio level.  That 
is for other transceivers.  The Elecraft transceivers control power 
differently than all other amateur transceivers that I know of.  Some 
commercial gear does work like the K3/K3S with a closed loop power 
control system.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 6/26/2017 8:59 PM, Jim Rogers wrote:
> Richard - I second your report, there is no fine adjustment for the USB 
> audio on the K3s either in received audio or transmitted audio. When the 
> band is noisy, I have to reduce LIN OUT to 01 or alternatively reduce 
> the overall system gain with the RF gain (which in the case of the K3 
> and K3s is IF gain).
> 
> When operating meteor scatter on 2M with an Elecraft K144XV transverter 
> I had to reduce the audio drive from the JT65 software to 50% to prevent 
> RF power out overshoot and hunting, typical in over-driven closed loop 
> systems. This allowed me to advance LIN IN and the end result was the 
> power detection system of the K3s settled down.

From w7lkg at comcast.net  Mon Jun 26 23:51:57 2017
From: w7lkg at comcast.net (Richard S. Leary)
Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2017 20:51:57 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Where are the K3 FW and CONFIG files on my Win
	10	computer?
In-Reply-To: <0FF07708-3799-4320-A073-478751DA24B2@widomaker.com>
References: <0FF07708-3799-4320-A073-478751DA24B2@widomaker.com>
Message-ID: <000001d2eef8$ba1bf460$2e53dd20$@comcast.net>

Bill,
My FW and CONFIG files are in; C/Users/RICK "or whatever you
use"/AppData/Roaming/Elecraft/K3 Configuration or K3 Firmware/file xxxxx

Hope this helps
Rick, W7LKG

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To: elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: [Elecraft] Where are the K3 FW and CONFIG files on my Win 10
computer?

See subject. 

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From dick at elecraft.com  Mon Jun 26 23:53:21 2017
From: dick at elecraft.com (Dick Dievendorff)
Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2017 20:53:21 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Where are the K3 FW and CONFIG files on my Win 10
	computer?
In-Reply-To: <0FF07708-3799-4320-A073-478751DA24B2@widomaker.com>
References: <0FF07708-3799-4320-A073-478751DA24B2@widomaker.com>
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It's probably under C:\Users\username\Appdata\Roaming\Elecraft.  Check K3
Utility Help for Firmware and Configuration tabs for details.

73 de Dick, K3KR

On Monday, June 26, 2017, Nr4c <nr4c at widomaker.com> wrote:

> See subject.
>
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From erw.edl at gmail.com  Tue Jun 27 00:48:13 2017
From: erw.edl at gmail.com (Eugene Worth)
Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2017 22:48:13 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: 2017 Chevy Silverado 1500 power outlets
Message-ID: <26EAD6C8-6F1B-44A9-9A99-B744BEC62602@gmail.com>

Sorry for the OT post ? but I am thinking of using one of my Elecraft rigs in the truck ? mobile applications. 

Does anyone know the amp rating of the two 12v power outlets in the Silverado 1500 for 2017?

And, if you do know, is it switched (with the ignition) or always on? 

Thanks in advance. I?ve tried on the Chevrolet.com <http://chevrolet.com/> website, and they simply list the outlets, not the amp rating. 

Nice prices now for the trucks. Thinking hard about it, but I didn?t want to run power cables from my battery to the interior of the truck if I didn?t need to.

PS: This is for a 10w K2, but it would be nice to run 50w or 100w with the K3 if it would work.

Thanks!

gene
WG7GW


From kengkopp at gmail.com  Tue Jun 27 01:19:17 2017
From: kengkopp at gmail.com (Ken G Kopp)
Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2017 23:19:17 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: 2017 Chevy Silverado 1500 power outlets
In-Reply-To: <26EAD6C8-6F1B-44A9-9A99-B744BEC62602@gmail.com>
References: <26EAD6C8-6F1B-44A9-9A99-B744BEC62602@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAD4CdTNfuDLHqrS223JJf45bGff8StrECRs2Cc2RCL8bo3LMFA@mail.gmail.com>

I would expect to find the info in the owner's manual.  Or your
dealership's
service desk.

73!

K0PP

On Jun 26, 2017 22:58, "Eugene Worth" <erw.edl at gmail.com> wrote:

> Sorry for the OT post ? but I am thinking of using one of my Elecraft rigs
> in the truck ? mobile applications.
>
> Does anyone know the amp rating of the two 12v power outlets in the
> Silverado 1500 for 2017?
>
> And, if you do know, is it switched (with the ignition) or always on?
>
> Thanks in advance. I?ve tried on the Chevrolet.com <http://chevrolet.com/>
> website, and they simply list the outlets, not the amp rating.
>
> Nice prices now for the trucks. Thinking hard about it, but I didn?t want
> to run power cables from my battery to the interior of the truck if I
> didn?t need to.
>
> PS: This is for a 10w K2, but it would be nice to run 50w or 100w with the
> K3 if it would work.
>
> Thanks!
>
> gene
> WG7GW
>
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From n6kr at elecraft.com  Tue Jun 27 01:46:39 2017
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2017 22:46:39 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Update on KX2 key-down times
In-Reply-To: <MWHPR2201MB1408C0B1D552AA5B442F3F41C9C60@MWHPR2201MB1408.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>
References: <MWHPR2201MB1408C0B1D552AA5B442F3F41C9C60@MWHPR2201MB1408.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <115051CB-421A-4D1B-BF37-C2235300202D@elecraft.com>

Hi all,

In the process of analyzing a recently repaired KX2, we discovered that key-down times I stated earlier were optimistic. They applied to two prototype KX2s that didn?t have the final driver and PA bias circuitry that we optimized to achieve good TX IMD targets. My apologies for quoting incorrect numbers.

Here are some key-down times at various power levels representing rough averages from production units. Tests were made with a 14 volt supply, in TUNE mode, into a dummy load. PA temperature was allowed to go from about 24 C to automatic transmit exit or power drop at 63 C. We used the KX2?s built-in temperature display.

 1 W     > 20:00
 3 W     7:00
 5 W     4:30
10 W     3:30

If you plan to run continuously in data modes, you may need to reduce power output.

There may be third-party add-ons that increase operating time. We haven?t tested any of them ourselves (yet).

73,
Wayne
N6KR






From phystad at mac.com  Tue Jun 27 01:46:47 2017
From: phystad at mac.com (Phil Hystad)
Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2017 22:46:47 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: 2017 Chevy Silverado 1500 power outlets
In-Reply-To: <26EAD6C8-6F1B-44A9-9A99-B744BEC62602@gmail.com>
References: <26EAD6C8-6F1B-44A9-9A99-B744BEC62602@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <32C5DC07-33AF-45DA-8EBA-2A4FB5FC0409@mac.com>

Gene,

Well, my Silverado is 2004, not 2017, but HD2500 Crew Cab, which is a little bigger than a 1500.

I didn?t bother with trying to use existing wiring, rather I just took my truck down to the local Car Toys dealership and told them what I wanted and they did it.  They are experts at wiring vehicles for huge amp draws from the battery due to the likes of people wanting to have some huge audio amp pushing several hundred watts of power into the speaker systems they also added to a car.

So, I had the wiring done up to handle 80 amps because at the time this was being done I was also contemplating a 500 watt amplifier (the SGC Cube).  They ran the positive and negative lines, which were about almost 1/3 inch in diameter under the frame to the crew cab (rear) area where the brought the cables up thru the floor where they placed a high-current distribution box where I could hook up my own wiring to then rig (or rigs).

I also had them create a nice pass-thru coaxial adapter for hooking up my antenna coax which ran under the frame to the back corner panel by the stake hole and up to where my Hi-Q antenna was located.  Everything waterproof of course.  And, I had them add about 6 placed ground straps between different parts of the truck frame and cab to ensure that everything was well grounded.

About $400 for the entire job or about the cost for dinner for two at the Herb Farm Restaurant in Woodinville, Washington.

There is one thing I would look into and that is the RFI you would cause to the electronics in the truck.  With a 100-watt output on my rig I could cause some of the engine check lights to flash on.  Nothing bad ever happened but the lights would often stay on until the engine was shutdown and when started again everything was fine.  This only happened on the 40 meter band though.  Must have been just the right coupling at those frequencies.

The 2017 vehicles have a lot more electronics and computers one them then the ones back in 2004 and you are likely to have some problems (possibly) and even with 100 watts or maybe even less.  A K2 at 10 watts is probably not a problem though.

73, phil, K7PEH


> On Jun 26, 2017, at 9:48 PM, Eugene Worth <erw.edl at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Sorry for the OT post ? but I am thinking of using one of my Elecraft rigs in the truck ? mobile applications. 
> 
> Does anyone know the amp rating of the two 12v power outlets in the Silverado 1500 for 2017?
> 
> And, if you do know, is it switched (with the ignition) or always on? 
> 
> Thanks in advance. I?ve tried on the Chevrolet.com <http://chevrolet.com/> website, and they simply list the outlets, not the amp rating. 
> 
> Nice prices now for the trucks. Thinking hard about it, but I didn?t want to run power cables from my battery to the interior of the truck if I didn?t need to.
> 
> PS: This is for a 10w K2, but it would be nice to run 50w or 100w with the K3 if it would work.
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> gene
> WG7GW
> 
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From wa6nhc at gmail.com  Tue Jun 27 03:07:45 2017
From: wa6nhc at gmail.com (Rick WA6NHC)
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2017 00:07:45 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: 2017 Chevy Silverado 1500 power outlets
In-Reply-To: <32C5DC07-33AF-45DA-8EBA-2A4FB5FC0409@mac.com>
References: <26EAD6C8-6F1B-44A9-9A99-B744BEC62602@gmail.com>
	<32C5DC07-33AF-45DA-8EBA-2A4FB5FC0409@mac.com>
Message-ID: <df4a94a9-01fe-6cc4-fc3b-e7660350c67a@gmail.com>

Gene,

I also have a Chevy 2500HD with the Duramax/Allison combination and it's 
a 2007.  It's purpose in life is to haul the RV and it's never failed 
me... even on places like Alaska, YT and the wilds of Southern 
California where the roads are even worse.

First your questions:  Look at the fuse block, that will give you a 
specific answer, not likely more than 10 amps.  They're always on, not 
ignition sensed (that means pay attention if parked for a while, even 
with the two batteries standard on diesel).

BUT:  I would NOT trust the power ports for any radio (other than my 
scanner, which draws less than an amp). The chassis bonding is suspect 
at best and it's a great place to listen for noise; which isn't what you 
want to hear.  It's not clean power.  It's also a direct feed into the 
same circuits that manage the engine, the diagnostics, as well as most 
of the 'features' of the vehicle.  Connecting to the battery (a HUGE 
capacitor) removes most of that concern.

Moving on, here is what I did.

Like Phil, I also ran a separate circuit just for RF gear (my mobile is 
the TS-480HX, peak draw about 42 amps).  I run #12 romex to both battery 
leads; self resetting 50 amp automotive circuit breakers (auto parts 
store, not WalMart) next to the battery to protect the wiring on BOTH 
the positive and negative leads (KEY POINT, BOTH are run to the 
battery)*.  That runs to the back seat where it goes into a distribution 
block for the HF and VHF radios, each radio protected by the proper fuse 
at that point.  The RF deck is solidly bonded to the chassis and a 
couple ferrite chokes are used (on on the Tarheel control line and on 
the mic/control head lines).  The antenna is attached to the bed of the 
truck which is solidly attached (several points) to the frame (I could 
likely improve it but haven't found the need).  [Yes, I technically 
exceed the 50A limit but I don't talk on both radios at the same time.]

The only noise I get from the engine is injector noise on 20M, which is 
removed by the noise blanker.  The only issue I have is occasional 
turning off of the cruise control while on 40M (200 watts output).  If I 
have the scanner antenna attached, there is a little more RF getting 
into the electronics but nothing fatal.  Now that I know the cause, I 
unplug the scanner antenna if on HF.

* The power wires are run through the gap in the fender from the engine 
compartment (around the firewall, not through) to the A column (front of 
the door frame), is carefully bent to match the post shape then run 
under the door seal (on the column) to the wiring channel under the 
doors.  Yes, it's visible if the door is open and the seals form around 
it.  Being that it never is fully 'outside', rain does not leak in.  The 
distribution is an APP block and the connectors are taped once attached 
to the block (because APP opens at the worst possible moment and the 
road vibration ensures that; tape is a cheap lock/fix).

After over 80k miles I can say it works.  The control heads are mounted 
on the dash (I built a metal frame so the dash doesn't have holes in it) 
and I put a towel over them to keep the sun off (and prying eyes when 
parked).  I chose the '480 because it is a mobile radio capable of 200 
watts output which pays off in a mobile environment.  It's not Elecraft 
quality but I don't listen to low level signals while hauling the RV; 
it's adequate for the task and the controls are very simple.

Another key point about mobile installs is that the driver operator 
should not have to take the eyes out of the normal scan path while 
driving to make a change on the radio. Left mirror, windshield, center 
mirror, windshield, right mirror, windshield, gauges, windshield, 
repeat.  Having the rig controls within that scan window makes for a 
much safer driver.  It is a deadly SIN to put the controls in a place 
that the driver can't use peripheral vision (at the least) while 
effecting a change on the controls.  Tactile isn't good enough.  That 
removes the K3 (probably the K2 as well) from your choices unless you 
only operate while parked (then get outside!) or as a passenger. 
Remember that with the engine NOT running, the voltages are lower, 
performance will be diminished (including signal purity).  Remember that 
parts of the dash are also air bags and your radio could be implanted in 
your face during an accident, choose your location wisely.

Also note that some states (CA and NV for sure) currently do not allow 
any driver (except LE/FD) to operate a radio (it's changing in CA but is 
currently illegal).  CO has an equally restrictive 'distraction' law as 
well, so do not become an issue (or statistic).  In the rush to create 
more anti-texting laws (a good thing in concept but enforcement of 
existing laws makes better sense) many of the laws are written by folks 
that don't know how to write laws and do not consider radio users 
(private or commercial) then lump them in together with cell phones.  
Check your local laws.

73,
Rick wa6nhc/7 North ID


On 6/26/2017 10:46 PM, Phil Hystad wrote:
> Gene,
>
> Well, my Silverado is 2004, not 2017, but HD2500 Crew Cab, which is a little bigger than a 1500.
>
> I didn?t bother with trying to use existing wiring, rather I just took my truck down to the local Car Toys dealership and told them what I wanted and they did it.  They are experts at wiring vehicles for huge amp draws from the battery due to the likes of people wanting to have some huge audio amp pushing several hundred watts of power into the speaker systems they also added to a car.
>
> So, I had the wiring done up to handle 80 amps because at the time this was being done I was also contemplating a 500 watt amplifier (the SGC Cube).  They ran the positive and negative lines, which were about almost 1/3 inch in diameter under the frame to the crew cab (rear) area where the brought the cables up thru the floor where they placed a high-current distribution box where I could hook up my own wiring to then rig (or rigs).
>
> I also had them create a nice pass-thru coaxial adapter for hooking up my antenna coax which ran under the frame to the back corner panel by the stake hole and up to where my Hi-Q antenna was located.  Everything waterproof of course.  And, I had them add about 6 placed ground straps between different parts of the truck frame and cab to ensure that everything was well grounded.
>
> About $400 for the entire job or about the cost for dinner for two at the Herb Farm Restaurant in Woodinville, Washington.
>
> There is one thing I would look into and that is the RFI you would cause to the electronics in the truck.  With a 100-watt output on my rig I could cause some of the engine check lights to flash on.  Nothing bad ever happened but the lights would often stay on until the engine was shutdown and when started again everything was fine.  This only happened on the 40 meter band though.  Must have been just the right coupling at those frequencies.
>
> The 2017 vehicles have a lot more electronics and computers one them then the ones back in 2004 and you are likely to have some problems (possibly) and even with 100 watts or maybe even less.  A K2 at 10 watts is probably not a problem though.
>
> 73, phil, K7PEH
>
>
>> On Jun 26, 2017, at 9:48 PM, Eugene Worth <erw.edl at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Sorry for the OT post ? but I am thinking of using one of my Elecraft rigs in the truck ? mobile applications.
>>
>> Does anyone know the amp rating of the two 12v power outlets in the Silverado 1500 for 2017?
>>
>> And, if you do know, is it switched (with the ignition) or always on?
>>
>> Thanks in advance. I?ve tried on the Chevrolet.com <http://chevrolet.com/> website, and they simply list the outlets, not the amp rating.
>>
>> Nice prices now for the trucks. Thinking hard about it, but I didn?t want to run power cables from my battery to the interior of the truck if I didn?t need to.
>>
>> PS: This is for a 10w K2, but it would be nice to run 50w or 100w with the K3 if it would work.
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> gene
>> WG7GW
>>
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From KY5G at montac.com  Tue Jun 27 03:43:45 2017
From: KY5G at montac.com (Clay Autery)
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2017 02:43:45 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: 2017 Chevy Silverado 1500 power outlets
In-Reply-To: <32C5DC07-33AF-45DA-8EBA-2A4FB5FC0409@mac.com>
References: <26EAD6C8-6F1B-44A9-9A99-B744BEC62602@gmail.com>
	<32C5DC07-33AF-45DA-8EBA-2A4FB5FC0409@mac.com>
Message-ID: <4852ed9e-ae6a-7fb1-5b5f-4ee60c37f83c@montac.com>

I would like to echo the recommendation to NOT use the existing vehicle
wiring.... for a number of reasons.  While you can likely "get away with
it" on a 10W rig (if you don't mind playing Russian Roulette with the
quality of the grounds, noise makers on/near the circuit, et al.), it is
my considered opinion that MOST amateur radio installs will benefit
GREATLY from an upgraded electrical system, and dedicated circuit(s).

But I didn't pay some stereo outfit to do it...

I did it myself...  of course, I was ALSO planning for a potentially
large draw from a stereo and external emergency supplemental lighting
and power ports.
NOTE: I drive an '04 F150 Heritage, but the principles are the same
regardless of vehicle.

I put the largest battery that would fit into the existing tray.  I
upgraded to a 275+ Amp alternator (50% overhead).  I REPLACED the
existing MAIN power harness wiring from the battery to starter relay, to
solenoid, to starter, to alternator, to ALL station 1 and 2 grounds
(engine bay and cab).  I installed massive terminals on the battery with
through bolts allowing the attachment of a large number of terminals.  I
used top quality welding wire and upped the wire size NO LESS than 2
sizes... mostly, I made them as large as I could route and fit.  I used
marine grade ring terminals and a hammer set tool (in my vice) to set
the terminals.  Each terminal was back-soldered to seal up the strands,
and then dual layer heat-shrink with sealing adhesive.  ALL new wires
(neoprene insulation) are enclosed in wire loom anywhere they can get
close to engine heat.

Finally, I ran massive 00 (I think... maybe larger?) POS and NEG runs
into the cab via the firewall (no under the truck runs!!!) to
distribution terminals under the driver's seat.  From there, I can
connect up pretty much whatever I want.
BOTH home runs are fused with an appropriately rated fast blow fuse... 
If it touches the limit, it will let go at the fuse before jeopardizing
any of the equipment.

This is amateur radio...  we are supposed to be learning/using new
skills....  Here's your chance to learn something new.  Get the service
and wiring manuals for your chosen auto... THAT should be standard for
EVERY vehicle.  You cannot possibly properly maintain a vehicle without
the service manuals.  <smile>

OK...  so that's a general look at how I did it... bulletproof and
future-"proof".  All I have to do to make a "proper" place for an HF
radio now is finish bonding the rest of the truck chassis together with
the engine bay, cab, and front frame.  Without a dedicated LARGE
conductor "ground" (return) system, you cannot guarantee the same
"ground" potential from all points in the big metal hunk.

73,

______________________
Clay Autery, KY5G

On 6/27/2017 12:46 AM, Phil Hystad wrote:
> Gene,
>
> Well, my Silverado is 2004, not 2017, but HD2500 Crew Cab, which is a little bigger than a 1500.
>
> I didn?t bother with trying to use existing wiring, rather I just took my truck down to the local Car Toys dealership and told them what I wanted and they did it.  They are experts at wiring vehicles for huge amp draws from the battery due to the likes of people wanting to have some huge audio amp pushing several hundred watts of power into the speaker systems they also added to a car.
>
> So, I had the wiring done up to handle 80 amps because at the time this was being done I was also contemplating a 500 watt amplifier (the SGC Cube).  They ran the positive and negative lines, which were about almost 1/3 inch in diameter under the frame to the crew cab (rear) area where the brought the cables up thru the floor where they placed a high-current distribution box where I could hook up my own wiring to then rig (or rigs).
>
> I also had them create a nice pass-thru coaxial adapter for hooking up my antenna coax which ran under the frame to the back corner panel by the stake hole and up to where my Hi-Q antenna was located.  Everything waterproof of course.  And, I had them add about 6 placed ground straps between different parts of the truck frame and cab to ensure that everything was well grounded.
>
> About $400 for the entire job or about the cost for dinner for two at the Herb Farm Restaurant in Woodinville, Washington.
>
> There is one thing I would look into and that is the RFI you would cause to the electronics in the truck.  With a 100-watt output on my rig I could cause some of the engine check lights to flash on.  Nothing bad ever happened but the lights would often stay on until the engine was shutdown and when started again everything was fine.  This only happened on the 40 meter band though.  Must have been just the right coupling at those frequencies.
>
> The 2017 vehicles have a lot more electronics and computers one them then the ones back in 2004 and you are likely to have some problems (possibly) and even with 100 watts or maybe even less.  A K2 at 10 watts is probably not a problem though.
>
> 73, phil, K7PEH

From g4gnx at g4gnx.com  Tue Jun 27 04:56:45 2017
From: g4gnx at g4gnx.com (G4GNX)
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2017 09:56:45 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] Kenwood microphone
Message-ID: <90353244206C462D929C577A96A43D36@G4GNXLaptop>

Is anyone using a Kenwood MC-50 (dynamic) as a desk mic? If so, what settings are you using on the K3?

I am finding that setting FPl or FPH and tapping ?7?, then turning the mic gain way high, is the only way to get 5 bars on the ALC. I don?t think I should need to have the extra gain switched in, which is really only for low output devices.

73,

Alan. G4GNX


From richard at lamont.me.uk  Tue Jun 27 05:25:09 2017
From: richard at lamont.me.uk (Richard Lamont)
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2017 10:25:09 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] Kenwood microphone
In-Reply-To: <90353244206C462D929C577A96A43D36@G4GNXLaptop>
References: <90353244206C462D929C577A96A43D36@G4GNXLaptop>
Message-ID: <9d1ba2fb-dbc8-97bc-ed7a-0188e67ba9d1@lamont.me.uk>

On 27/06/17 09:56, G4GNX wrote:

> Is anyone using a Kenwood MC-50 (dynamic) as a desk mic? If so, what settings are you using on the K3?
> 
> I am finding that setting FPl or FPH and tapping ?7?, then turning the mic gain way high, is the only way to get 5 bars on the ALC. I don?t think I should need to have the extra gain switched in, which is really only for low output devices.

In amateur radio, a dynamic desk mic is a relatively low output device.

Dynamic mics produce (very roughly) 20 dB less output voltage than
capacitor mics, and desk mics are typically used further from the
operator's mouth than other types.

Use the extra gain and don't worry. It's perfectly normal.


73,
Richard G4DYA

From craig.labarge at gmail.com  Tue Jun 27 05:44:59 2017
From: craig.labarge at gmail.com (Craig LaBarge)
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2017 05:44:59 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: 2017 Chevy Silverado 1500 power outlets
Message-ID: <CAPXa6+TzZq=MMQeayTfZYy+o+8960booaPQvEV-3fPCNr1Lw9w@mail.gmail.com>

Gene:

I have a 2017 Silverado 1500 double-cab.  The 12V outlet on the dashboard
is on all the time.  There's one inside the center console and one on the
rear of the console (for rear passengers) that are switched.

I don't know what the current ratings are but I use the one in the rear to
power my Yaesu FT-8800 dual-band rig at full power (50W on 2M) with no
issues.  I occasionally use the one on the dash to power an APRS tracker (8
watts).

I haven't used an HF rig with the power outlets but on VHF/UHF I have no
detectable noise.  Again, I don't know if that would be the case at HF.

Hope this helps.

73, Craig WB3GCK
http://wb3gck.craiglabarge.com/

From pincon at erols.com  Tue Jun 27 08:25:11 2017
From: pincon at erols.com (Charlie T, K3ICH)
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2017 08:25:11 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: vehicle power outlets
Message-ID: <003401d2ef40$6f8813a0$4e983ae0$@erols.com>

For anyone considering this for a different vehicle, my 2015 Forrester's 12V
outlets ARE all switched by the ignition switch.
I have a typical VHF FM box in the cargo compartment that is powered by the
rear "cig" lighter outlet.   No HF in the "family car" however.
This radio also has the ability to turn itself off after a selectable time
of no operation, but this is probably not the case for HF rigs.
For me, this connection works fine with no problems with power, RFI etc.
The 10 Amp max rating is generally common, but the on/off switching may be
more typical.  
My Taco's front outlets are also switched.  I only use them for GPS and USB
charging, but I did run separate a feed for the TS-480.

73, Charlie k3ICH



-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net
[mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Craig LaBarge
Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2017 5:45 AM
To: erw.edl at gmail.com; elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: 2017 Chevy Silverado 1500 power outlets

Gene:

I have a 2017 Silverado 1500 double-cab.  The 12V outlet on the dashboard is
on all the time.  There's one inside the center console and one on the rear
of the console (for rear passengers) that are switched.

I don't know what the current ratings are but I use the one in the rear to
power my Yaesu FT-8800 dual-band rig at full power (50W on 2M) with no
issues.  I occasionally use the one on the dash to power an APRS tracker (8
watts).

I haven't used an HF rig with the power outlets but on VHF/UHF I have no
detectable noise.  Again, I don't know if that would be the case at HF.

Hope this helps.

73, Craig WB3GCK
http://wb3gck.craiglabarge.com/
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From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Tue Jun 27 09:03:50 2017
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2017 08:03:50 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: 2017 Chevy Silverado 1500 power outlets
In-Reply-To: <26EAD6C8-6F1B-44A9-9A99-B744BEC62602@gmail.com>
References: <26EAD6C8-6F1B-44A9-9A99-B744BEC62602@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9eea13a7-0c53-7907-89f1-3a1de09290bb@blomand.net>

My Silverado power outlets are always ON and are fused at 10 amps.

73

Bob, K4TAX


On 6/26/2017 11:48 PM, Eugene Worth wrote:
> Does anyone know the amp rating of the two 12v power outlets in the Silverado 1500 for 2017?
>
> And, if you do know, is it switched (with the ignition) or always on?
>
>
>
>



From erw.edl at gmail.com  Tue Jun 27 09:13:41 2017
From: erw.edl at gmail.com (Eugene Worth)
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2017 07:13:41 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: 2017 Chevy Silverado 1500 power outlets
In-Reply-To: <CAPXa6+TzZq=MMQeayTfZYy+o+8960booaPQvEV-3fPCNr1Lw9w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPXa6+TzZq=MMQeayTfZYy+o+8960booaPQvEV-3fPCNr1Lw9w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0DFF8BE8-B4C3-45DC-8730-6810D7D7BDCD@gmail.com>

Thanks, all! 

I?ll be picking up the new truck soon ? 

gene
WG7GW

> On Jun 27, 2017, at 3:44 AM, Craig LaBarge <craig.labarge at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Gene:
> 
> I have a 2017 Silverado 1500 double-cab.  The 12V outlet on the dashboard is on all the time.  There's one inside the center console and one on the rear of the console (for rear passengers) that are switched.
> 
> I don't know what the current ratings are but I use the one in the rear to power my Yaesu FT-8800 dual-band rig at full power (50W on 2M) with no issues.  I occasionally use the one on the dash to power an APRS tracker (8 watts).
> 
> I haven't used an HF rig with the power outlets but on VHF/UHF I have no detectable noise.  Again, I don't know if that would be the case at HF.
> 
> Hope this helps.
> 
> 73, Craig WB3GCK
> http://wb3gck.craiglabarge.com/ <http://wb3gck.craiglabarge.com/>
> 
> 


From wd8qwr at twc.com  Tue Jun 27 09:14:59 2017
From: wd8qwr at twc.com (wd8qwr at twc.com)
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2017 9:14:59 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: 2017 Chevy Silverado 1500 power outlets
In-Reply-To: <CAPXa6+TzZq=MMQeayTfZYy+o+8960booaPQvEV-3fPCNr1Lw9w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20170627131459.T2UVO.89581.root@dnvrco-web24>

Gene and others,

If you look in the owner's manual you will notice that Chevy has already provided this. You need to look in the up-fitters section, which can be downloaded from the Chevy website. You will find the wiring diagram of the truck there. The accessory outlets are wired with 18 or 16AWG wire and NOT recommended for anything that draws large current above about 10 amps intermittent.

There are two ways to get the power you need into the cab. One is provided as a feed-thru from the under-hood fuse panel in the accessory wiring block in the cab above the parking brake pedal. It is a black covered block. All you need is to buy the connector and pins from the dealer or an up-fitter and put in the proper fuse. If you prefer as I did to run your own, you have plenty of room in the wiring grommet just above the box to add at least 2 10AWG wires which you can run to the battery. Add an inline fuse and attach to the battery accessory connector already on the battery using the appropriate hardware. Bring the wire through the grommet and under the carpet to the seat, where the carpet is split to be able to get it to the center console (if desired) or down the channel to the rear of the truck as desired. I mounted my radio (id880) in the tissue compartment (its is 8x10" opening or a little larger) in the back of the console; head in front of the cup holders and antenna on the roof where it belongs.

Enjoy your install.

Phil, WD8QWR


---- Craig LaBarge <craig.labarge at gmail.com> wrote: 
> Gene:
> 
> I have a 2017 Silverado 1500 double-cab.  The 12V outlet on the dashboard
> is on all the time.  There's one inside the center console and one on the
> rear of the console (for rear passengers) that are switched.
> 
> I don't know what the current ratings are but I use the one in the rear to
> power my Yaesu FT-8800 dual-band rig at full power (50W on 2M) with no
> issues.  I occasionally use the one on the dash to power an APRS tracker (8
> watts).
> 
> I haven't used an HF rig with the power outlets but on VHF/UHF I have no
> detectable noise.  Again, I don't know if that would be the case at HF.
> 
> Hope this helps.
> 
> 73, Craig WB3GCK
> http://wb3gck.craiglabarge.com/
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From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Tue Jun 27 09:26:17 2017
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2017 08:26:17 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S USB audio output needs to be adjustable in Menu
In-Reply-To: <bd175ce6-7f2f-9e23-f164-0ca60ff82634@embarqmail.com>
References: <9e2c7.5d9276dc.467d5901@aol.com>
	<CACw0PsYk_FSt8oNaWxL5VDFObyQg8FZayngj+RA=oMvPHXynig@mail.gmail.com>
	<522ab823-0a73-09bd-ee7b-da03a1c5fe32@gmail.com>
	<bd175ce6-7f2f-9e23-f164-0ca60ff82634@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <877c392d-8f52-18d3-fb2e-254ce42a3d2f@blomand.net>

I find Don's info to be exactly correct as it applies to the USB 
connection between the radio and computer.    As to the Line IN and Line 
OUT on the back of the radio........I've never used it.

With Windows 10, if you wish the Sound Card to show the levels in dB, 
just right click on the level slider in the Recording devices for 
example.  This will give one the option of displaying the level as  
"decibels" or "percentage".   For WSJT-X I find 0 dB about optimum, for 
HRD/DM780 I use +10 dB and for FLDIGI and MMTTY about +15 dB seems 
best.    For the Speaker level, adjust about mid scale with a full scale 
value of 50 .   In the Playback devices window the level is about - 10 dB.

The default value for LINE OUT in my K3S is 010.   I've found no need to 
change this as the other controls in the computer and application 
software are most adequate.  All this applies when using DATA A mode in 
the K3S.  If you aren't using DATA A mode, then be sure any EQ or CMP 
values are set to zero.

73
Bob, K4TAX
S/N 10163

On 6/26/2017 10:43 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
> Jim,
>
> What are the settings for the K3S CODEC in the computer?
> Look at your soundcard settings and set them to something lower. There 
> is normally no need for an additional control in the K3S other than 
> the normal LINE IN gain settings.  The settings for the K3/K3S 
> computer LINE OUT (or SPKR) should be about 50%. but lower is K too.  
> The K3/K3S should be set to some mid-range value.  If very low or very 
> high, adjust the computer soundcard settings until it adjusts in the 
> K3/K3S midrange.
>
> Same goes for LINE OUT - the soundcard LINE IN should be set to about 
> 50% in the computer, set K3/K3S LINE OUT to some value near 8 or 10.
>
> For soundcard data modes, you need to adjust the audio drive level for 
> 4 bars solid on the ALC mater with the 5th bar flashing - that is the 
> NO ALC point for the K3/K3S.  Adjust the power level with the POWER 
> knob. To do it like the JT instructions tell you will lead to power 
> "hunting" which will include power overshoot.
>
> Ignore the JT instructions and the common internet advice which is to 
> set the power to full and adjust the power with the audio level.  That 
> is for other transceivers.  The Elecraft transceivers control power 
> differently than all other amateur transceivers that I know of.  Some 
> commercial gear does work like the K3/K3S with a closed loop power 
> control system.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>



From f8acf56 at yahoo.fr  Tue Jun 27 09:31:22 2017
From: f8acf56 at yahoo.fr (Christophe F8ACF-56)
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2017 13:31:22 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] k2 and kpa 100
In-Reply-To: <bf6f5162-87bb-91ac-8f8c-fe9c52ec5df8@embarqmail.com>
References: <697897742.4228927.1498504149919.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<697897742.4228927.1498504149919@mail.yahoo.com>
	<bf6f5162-87bb-91ac-8f8c-fe9c52ec5df8@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <498627690.5188767.1498570282756@mail.yahoo.com>

Hello Don,

It does not matter to your Frenchman, my Englishman and far from being the one you master!

I use google translation HI! To try to make me understand as well as possible

For mounting the KPA 100 I arrived on page 22, "initial test" everything is OK

But I have a doubt about "AF pad", ground.

The measure gives infinity is this correct?



For the modifications of the K2, I speak of this one:

K2 Modifications for use with the KPA100
June 12, 2002 Rev. A (applicable to all K2 Rev. A RF boards) - Wayne Burdick, N6KR
The transceiver meets FCC spectral purity requirements on 10 meters, especially
When used at medium (11-50 watt) power levels. Not all K2s require these changes, but as a precaution, we strongly recommend
Making them. If you have any questions, please feel free to contact me.
Need be removed to make these changes.

QRP K2, a parts kit is available for $ 15.00 plus shipping. Order P / N
E850093 (10M and VFO / ALC mod kit). You can write this order in the comments section at the bottom of our regular order
Form, or contact sales at elecraft.com. Scott or Gary in support (we're trying to keep them focused
On their regular tech support duties.)
10 -12-meter band-pass filter that improves rejection of both the transmit and the receiver.
NOTE: If you have already built your K2, be sure to re-align the 12M / 10M BPF section after you complete this mod.
Part II is a modification to the VFO ALC circuit; It prevents a VFO buffer (RF-U3) overdrive condition that may occur on some K2s when
Switching to 17 or 10 meters. VFO drives at U10.
Refer to the illustrations on the next page when locating components and making these mods.
Parts Inventory: Note the changes below in the RF board parts list (Appendix A), manual instructions (see page references below),
And RF board schematic (Appendix B).
RF Board
Ref. Old New Elecraft Assembly Schematic
Desig. Value Value Part # Instruction Location
Part I - 10 / 12M BPF Mod C45 2 pF 1 pF (# E530068) p62, left col. Sheet 3, left
TNX to: Bob Friess, N6CM C42, C48 220 pF 330 pF (& quot; 331 & quot;) (# E530043) p62, left col. Sheet 3, left
RF Board
Ref. Old New Elecraft Assembly Schematic
Desig. Value Value Part # Instruction Location
Part II - VFO ALC Mod C154 270 pF 100 pF ("101") (# E530016) p49, left col. Sheet 2, bot. left
TNX to: John Grebenkemper, KI6WX R10 1K 470 ? (# E500003) p47, rt. collar. Sheet 1, right
R16 10K 100K (# E500006) p47, rt. collar. Sheet 1, right
D8 n / a 1N4148 (# E560002) n / a (new) Sheet 1, right;
Diode add D8 with
Cathode to
Q18-S (source),
Anode to GND

Is this what you give me as an explanation dear Don??73 , Christophe F8ACF-56

      De?: Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com>
 ??: Christophe F8ACF-56 <f8acf56 at yahoo.fr>; Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> 
 Envoy? le : Lundi 26 juin 2017 21h34
 Objet?: Re: [Elecraft] k2 and kpa 100
   
Christophe,

If your K2 serial number is 3000 or greater, those modifications do not 
have to be done at all, they are already present on the RF Board.

You do need to mount the headers at P3 and P6 and remove pin 4 from the 
10 pin header at Control Board P4.

Those changes may be made at any time.

I am confused about your question of "first tests step 2 of the KPA100 
with dialog and assembly in the K2"? I think we have a language barrier.
Please restate with reference to the page number in the manual.

Assembly, Part 1 (page 12) comes before the "Initial Tests" (page 22) 
and the PA transistors are not mounted.

Sorry, but my French is lacking.? I spent 15 months in France with the 
Army in 1963/4 but learned only enough words to buy what I needed or 
order a meal.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 6/26/2017 3:09 PM, Christophe F8ACF-56 via Elecraft wrote:
> Good evening to all ,
> The K2 modifications to put the KPA 100
> 
> Should they be made, before putting the KPA 100?
> 
> For the first tests step 2 of the KPA100 with dialogue and assembly in the K2, well step 3 or we have mounted the transistors of the final
> 
> Thank you in advance for your remarks
>? 73 , Christophe F8ACF-56
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From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Tue Jun 27 10:01:14 2017
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2017 10:01:14 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] k2 and kpa 100
In-Reply-To: <498627690.5188767.1498570282756@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <697897742.4228927.1498504149919.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<697897742.4228927.1498504149919@mail.yahoo.com>
	<bf6f5162-87bb-91ac-8f8c-fe9c52ec5df8@embarqmail.com>
	<498627690.5188767.1498570282756@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <67303459-92f4-714c-62f3-db616ab1240d@embarqmail.com>

Christophe,

That is the modification I thought you were referring to.

If your K2 serial number is 3000 or higher, that mod is already 
installed, and you do NOT have to do it.
Notice that it refers to the REV A RF board.  Rev B boards are used in 
K2s with a serial number of 3000 or more.
Also if your K2 is serial number 3000 or more, when you get to page 59, 
you should not do the Control Board wiring changes shown there.  Those 
changes have already been embedded on the REV B board.

Yes, an infinity reading is good at the AF pad on the KPA100 board.  See 
the "I triangle" note near the top of the 2nd column on page 22.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 6/27/2017 9:31 AM, Christophe F8ACF-56 wrote:
> Hello Don,
>
> It does not matter to your Frenchman, my Englishman and far from being 
> the one you master!
>
> I use google translation HI! To try to make me understand as well as 
> possible
>
> For mounting the KPA 100 I arrived on page 22, "initial test" 
> everything is OK
>
> But I have a doubt about "AF pad", ground.
>
> The measure gives infinity is this correct?
>
>
>
>


From repair at willcoele.com  Tue Jun 27 10:42:25 2017
From: repair at willcoele.com (Willco Repair/Memory)
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2017 09:42:25 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft]  K3S USB audio output needs to be adjustable in Menu
Message-ID: <000001d2ef53$986733b0$c9359b10$@willcoele.com>

Right click on the taskbar speaker icon then select sounds.  Under Sounds
click on the recording tab.   Double click on the USB Audio Codec (I renamed
mine and called it K3S).  On the Properties window, click on the Levels tab.
I have mine set to "2" and my K3S line level is 4.
 
-- 

Jack WA9FVP-  <http://www.willcoele.com/radio_repair>
http://www.willcoele.com/radio_repair 

The Radio Reclamation Center (815) 463-9365
 

From k9ma at sdellington.us  Tue Jun 27 10:54:50 2017
From: k9ma at sdellington.us (K9MA)
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2017 09:54:50 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 and N1MM+
Message-ID: <fd761b1c-a667-6fac-2d5b-e728cda2fa26@sdellington.us>

I'm unable to get the KX2 to work with N1MM+ on my old Windows 7 
netbook.  It works fine with the Windows 7 desktop, and the KX2 utility 
works with the netbook.  With N1MM+ and the netbook, there's no 
frequency readout, no response to CW macros, apparently no communication 
at all.  The N1MM+ configuration on both computers is the same.  The 
netbook and N1MM+ work fine with the K3 and USB adapter.  Any ideas?

73,

Scott  K9MA

-- 
Scott  K9MA

k9ma at sdellington.us


From donovanf at starpower.net  Tue Jun 27 10:55:56 2017
From: donovanf at starpower.net (donovanf at starpower.net)
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2017 10:55:56 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: 2017 Chevy Silverado 1500 power outlets
In-Reply-To: <20170627131459.T2UVO.89581.root@dnvrco-web24>
Message-ID: <239786673.5990928.1498575356736.JavaMail.root@starpower.net>


WARNING! 


For extremely important safety and fire prevention reasons reasons, 
no accessory should ever be connected directly to the negative 
terminal of an automotive battery . Just like when charging an 
automotive battery, the negative lead of a cable running directly 
to the battery should always connect to the engine block and never 
directly to the battery. 


The positive lead must be fused where it connects to the battery. 


There's an excellent discussion here: 

https://www.w8ji.com/negative_lead_to_battery.htm 


73 
Frank 
W3LPL 

----- Original Message -----

From: wd8qwr at twc.com 
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net, "erw edl" <erw.edl at gmail.com>, "Craig LaBarge" <craig.labarge at gmail.com> 
Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2017 1:14:59 PM 
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: 2017 Chevy Silverado 1500 power outlets 

Gene and others, 

If you look in the owner's manual you will notice that Chevy has already provided this. You need to look in the up-fitters section, which can be downloaded from the Chevy website. You will find the wiring diagram of the truck there. The accessory outlets are wired with 18 or 16AWG wire and NOT recommended for anything that draws large current above about 10 amps intermittent. 

There are two ways to get the power you need into the cab. One is provided as a feed-thru from the under-hood fuse panel in the accessory wiring block in the cab above the parking brake pedal. It is a black covered block. All you need is to buy the connector and pins from the dealer or an up-fitter and put in the proper fuse. If you prefer as I did to run your own, you have plenty of room in the wiring grommet just above the box to add at least 2 10AWG wires which you can run to the battery. Add an inline fuse and attach to the battery accessory connector already on the battery using the appropriate hardware. Bring the wire through the grommet and under the carpet to the seat, where the carpet is split to be able to get it to the center console (if desired) or down the channel to the rear of the truck as desired. I mounted my radio (id880) in the tissue compartment (its is 8x10" opening or a little larger) in the back of the console; head in front of the cup holders and anten 
na on the roof where it belongs. 

Enjoy your install. 

Phil, WD8QWR 


---- Craig LaBarge <craig.labarge at gmail.com> wrote: 
> Gene: 
> 
> I have a 2017 Silverado 1500 double-cab. The 12V outlet on the dashboard 
> is on all the time. There's one inside the center console and one on the 
> rear of the console (for rear passengers) that are switched. 
> 
> I don't know what the current ratings are but I use the one in the rear to 
> power my Yaesu FT-8800 dual-band rig at full power (50W on 2M) with no 
> issues. I occasionally use the one on the dash to power an APRS tracker (8 
> watts). 
> 
> I haven't used an HF rig with the power outlets but on VHF/UHF I have no 
> detectable noise. Again, I don't know if that would be the case at HF. 
> 
> Hope this helps. 
> 
> 73, Craig WB3GCK 
> http://wb3gck.craiglabarge.com/ 
> ______________________________________________________________ 
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From KY5G at montac.com  Tue Jun 27 11:21:11 2017
From: KY5G at montac.com (Clay Autery)
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2017 10:21:11 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: 2017 Chevy Silverado 1500 power outlets
In-Reply-To: <239786673.5990928.1498575356736.JavaMail.root@starpower.net>
References: <239786673.5990928.1498575356736.JavaMail.root@starpower.net>
Message-ID: <b55cdaa1-71e6-25bf-6cf1-3d12a18addff@montac.com>

Horse puckey!  I DEFY you to prove the physics OR math of that
ridiculous statement.

______________________
Clay Autery, KY5G

On 6/27/2017 9:55 AM, donovanf at starpower.net wrote:
> WARNING! 
>
>
> For extremely important safety and fire prevention reasons reasons, 
> no accessory should ever be connected directly to the negative 
> terminal of an automotive battery . Just like when charging an 
> automotive battery, the negative lead of a cable running directly 
> to the battery should always connect to the engine block and never 
> directly to the battery. 
>
>
> The positive lead must be fused where it connects to the battery. 
>
>
> There's an excellent discussion here: 
>
> https://www.w8ji.com/negative_lead_to_battery.htm 
>
>
> 73 
> Frank 
> W3LPL 
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: wd8qwr at twc.com 
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net, "erw edl" <erw.edl at gmail.com>, "Craig LaBarge" <craig.labarge at gmail.com> 
> Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2017 1:14:59 PM 
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: 2017 Chevy Silverado 1500 power outlets 
>
> Gene and others, 
>
> If you look in the owner's manual you will notice that Chevy has already provided this. You need to look in the up-fitters section, which can be downloaded from the Chevy website. You will find the wiring diagram of the truck there. The accessory outlets are wired with 18 or 16AWG wire and NOT recommended for anything that draws large current above about 10 amps intermittent. 
>
> There are two ways to get the power you need into the cab. One is provided as a feed-thru from the under-hood fuse panel in the accessory wiring block in the cab above the parking brake pedal. It is a black covered block. All you need is to buy the connector and pins from the dealer or an up-fitter and put in the proper fuse. If you prefer as I did to run your own, you have plenty of room in the wiring grommet just above the box to add at least 2 10AWG wires which you can run to the battery. Add an inline fuse and attach to the battery accessory connector already on the battery using the appropriate hardware. Bring the wire through the grommet and under the carpet to the seat, where the carpet is split to be able to get it to the center console (if desired) or down the channel to the rear of the truck as desired. I mounted my radio (id880) in the tissue compartment (its is 8x10" opening or a little larger) in the back of the console; head in front of the cup holders and anten
>   
> na on the roof where it belongs. 
>
> Enjoy your install. 
>
> Phil, WD8QWR 
>
>
> ---- Craig LaBarge <craig.labarge at gmail.com> wrote: 
>> Gene: 
>>
>> I have a 2017 Silverado 1500 double-cab. The 12V outlet on the dashboard 
>> is on all the time. There's one inside the center console and one on the 
>> rear of the console (for rear passengers) that are switched. 
>>
>> I don't know what the current ratings are but I use the one in the rear to 
>> power my Yaesu FT-8800 dual-band rig at full power (50W on 2M) with no 
>> issues. I occasionally use the one on the dash to power an APRS tracker (8 
>> watts). 
>>
>> I haven't used an HF rig with the power outlets but on VHF/UHF I have no 
>> detectable noise. Again, I don't know if that would be the case at HF. 
>>
>> Hope this helps. 
>>
>> 73, Craig WB3GCK 
>> http://wb3gck.craiglabarge.com/ 
>> ______________________________________________________________ 
>> Elecraft mailing list 
>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft 
>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm 
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From nr4c at widomaker.com  Tue Jun 27 11:22:36 2017
From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c)
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2017 11:22:36 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: 2017 Chevy Silverado 1500 power outlets
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Don't matter. 

Go straight to battery. Run #10 cable. 

You probably have a stud near under hood fuse box for accessories and like trailer power and it's fused at 20 or 30 A. 

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill


> On Jun 27, 2017, at 12:48 AM, Eugene Worth <erw.edl at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Sorry for the OT post ? but I am thinking of using one of my Elecraft rigs in the truck ? mobile applications. 
> 
> Does anyone know the amp rating of the two 12v power outlets in the Silverado 1500 for 2017?
> 
> And, if you do know, is it switched (with the ignition) or always on? 
> 
> Thanks in advance. I?ve tried on the Chevrolet.com <http://chevrolet.com/> website, and they simply list the outlets, not the amp rating. 
> 
> Nice prices now for the trucks. Thinking hard about it, but I didn?t want to run power cables from my battery to the interior of the truck if I didn?t need to.
> 
> PS: This is for a 10w K2, but it would be nice to run 50w or 100w with the K3 if it would work.
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> gene
> WG7GW
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From nr4c at widomaker.com  Tue Jun 27 11:27:08 2017
From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c)
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2017 11:27:08 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Kenwood microphone
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If it's an MC-50 did you try flipping the plug to use the other impedance?  

The cable from mic to base can be inverted to change from high to low impedance. 

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill


> On Jun 27, 2017, at 4:56 AM, G4GNX <g4gnx at g4gnx.com> wrote:
> 
> Is anyone using a Kenwood MC-50 (dynamic) as a desk mic? If so, what settings are you using on the K3?
> 
> I am finding that setting FPl or FPH and tapping ?7?, then turning the mic gain way high, is the only way to get 5 bars on the ALC. I don?t think I should need to have the extra gain switched in, which is really only for low output devices.
> 
> 73,
> 
> Alan. G4GNX
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From k2vco.vic at gmail.com  Tue Jun 27 11:52:27 2017
From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Vic Rosenthal)
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2017 18:52:27 +0300
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: 2017 Chevy Silverado 1500 power outlets
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I don't think math or difficult physics is needed. Suppose you connect the radio directly to battery, and then suppose the battery to ground cable becomes partially or completely disconnected. Finally, suppose you then try to start the engine. When the starter solenoid closes, some of the high current from the battery negative terminal flows through the negative lead to the radio, and then to ground through the radio's mounting bracket, the coax to the antenna, etc. The no. 10 ground wire might have to carry several hundred amps! Lots of things can be damaged.
This is why negative leads should be fused, at least.

Vic 4X6GP 

> On 27 Jun 2017, at 18:21, Clay Autery <KY5G at montac.com> wrote:
> 
> Horse puckey!  I DEFY you to prove the physics OR math of that
> ridiculous statement.
> 
> ______________________
> Clay Autery, KY5G
> 
>> On 6/27/2017 9:55 AM, donovanf at starpower.net wrote:
>> WARNING! 
>> 
>> 
>> For extremely important safety and fire prevention reasons reasons, 
>> no accessory should ever be connected directly to the negative 
>> terminal of an automotive battery . Just like when charging an 
>> automotive battery, the negative lead of a cable running directly 
>> to the battery should always connect to the engine block and never 
>> directly to the battery. 
>> 
>> 
>> The positive lead must be fused where it connects to the battery. 
>> 
>> 
>> There's an excellent discussion here: 
>> 
>> https://www.w8ji.com/negative_lead_to_battery.htm 
>> 
>> 
>> 73 
>> Frank 
>> W3LPL 
>> 

From rmoodyg at bellsouth.net  Tue Jun 27 12:06:23 2017
From: rmoodyg at bellsouth.net (Richard gillingham)
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2017 16:06:23 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: 2017 Chevy Silverado 1500 power outlets
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Fuse BOTH leads at the battery...73Gil, W1RG

      From: Vic Rosenthal <k2vco.vic at gmail.com>
 To: Clay Autery <KY5G at montac.com> 
Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
 Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2017 11:53 AM
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: 2017 Chevy Silverado 1500 power outlets
   
I don't think math or difficult physics is needed. Suppose you connect the radio directly to battery, and then suppose the battery to ground cable becomes partially or completely disconnected. Finally, suppose you then try to start the engine. When the starter solenoid closes, some of the high current from the battery negative terminal flows through the negative lead to the radio, and then to ground through the radio's mounting bracket, the coax to the antenna, etc. The no. 10 ground wire might have to carry several hundred amps! Lots of things can be damaged.
This is why negative leads should be fused, at least.

Vic 4X6GP 

> On 27 Jun 2017, at 18:21, Clay Autery <KY5G at montac.com> wrote:
> 
> Horse puckey!? I DEFY you to prove the physics OR math of that
> ridiculous statement.
> 
> ______________________
> Clay Autery, KY5G
> 
>> On 6/27/2017 9:55 AM, donovanf at starpower.net wrote:
>> WARNING! 
>> 
>> 
>> For extremely important safety and fire prevention reasons reasons, 
>> no accessory should ever be connected directly to the negative 
>> terminal of an automotive battery . Just like when charging an 
>> automotive battery, the negative lead of a cable running directly 
>> to the battery should always connect to the engine block and never 
>> directly to the battery. 
>> 
>> 
>> The positive lead must be fused where it connects to the battery. 
>> 
>> 
>> There's an excellent discussion here: 
>> 
>> https://www.w8ji.com/negative_lead_to_battery.htm 
>> 
>> 
>> 73 
>> Frank 
>> W3LPL 
>> 
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From donovanf at starpower.net  Tue Jun 27 12:07:18 2017
From: donovanf at starpower.net (donovanf at starpower.net)
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2017 12:07:18 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: 2017 Chevy Silverado 1500 power outlets
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Hi Bill, 


This is extremely dangerous advice, I'd hate to see someone 
die in a fire as a result! 


73 
Frank 
W3LPL 

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From: "Nr4c" <nr4c at widomaker.com> 
To: "Eugene Worth" <erw.edl at gmail.com> 
Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net 
Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2017 3:22:36 PM 
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: 2017 Chevy Silverado 1500 power outlets 

Don't matter. 

Go straight to battery. Run #10 cable. 

You probably have a stud near under hood fuse box for accessories and like trailer power and it's fused at 20 or 30 A. 

Sent from my iPhone 
...nr4c. bill 


> On Jun 27, 2017, at 12:48 AM, Eugene Worth <erw.edl at gmail.com> wrote: 
> 
> Sorry for the OT post ? but I am thinking of using one of my Elecraft rigs in the truck ? mobile applications. 
> 
> Does anyone know the amp rating of the two 12v power outlets in the Silverado 1500 for 2017? 
> 
> And, if you do know, is it switched (with the ignition) or always on? 
> 
> Thanks in advance. I?ve tried on the Chevrolet.com <http://chevrolet.com/> website, and they simply list the outlets, not the amp rating. 
> 
> Nice prices now for the trucks. Thinking hard about it, but I didn?t want to run power cables from my battery to the interior of the truck if I didn?t need to. 
> 
> PS: This is for a 10w K2, but it would be nice to run 50w or 100w with the K3 if it would work. 
> 
> Thanks! 
> 
> gene 
> WG7GW 
> 
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From ron at cobi.biz  Tue Jun 27 12:09:43 2017
From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire)
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2017 09:09:43 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: 2017 Chevy Silverado 1500 power outlets
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Clay, I believe it has to do with danger to your equipment should the
connection between the battery and the chassis open. In that case all the
current to all the automobile systems, from starter to lights to ignition,
radio, etc., would flow through the ground path provided by the radio if it
is connected directly to the negative battery terminal. Since that can be
100's of amperes when starting the engine, no radio is likely to survive. 

73, Ron AC7AC

-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net
[mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Clay Autery
Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2017 8:21 AM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: 2017 Chevy Silverado 1500 power outlets

Horse puckey!  I DEFY you to prove the physics OR math of that ridiculous
statement.

______________________
Clay Autery, KY5G

On 6/27/2017 9:55 AM, donovanf at starpower.net wrote:
> WARNING! 
>
>
> For extremely important safety and fire prevention reasons reasons, no 
> accessory should ever be connected directly to the negative terminal 
> of an automotive battery . Just like when charging an automotive 
> battery, the negative lead of a cable running directly to the battery 
> should always connect to the engine block and never directly to the 
> battery.
>
>
> The positive lead must be fused where it connects to the battery. 
>
>
> There's an excellent discussion here: 
>
> https://www.w8ji.com/negative_lead_to_battery.htm
>
>
> 73
> Frank
> W3LPL


From donovanf at starpower.net  Tue Jun 27 12:11:55 2017
From: donovanf at starpower.net (donovanf at starpower.net)
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2017 12:11:55 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: 2017 Chevy Silverado 1500 power outlets
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Most of can evaluate Clay's comment with no need for further input by me 


73 
Frank 
W3LPL 

----- Original Message -----

From: "Clay Autery" <KY5G at montac.com> 
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net 
Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2017 3:21:11 PM 
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: 2017 Chevy Silverado 1500 power outlets 

Horse puckey! I DEFY you to prove the physics OR math of that 
ridiculous statement. 

______________________ 
Clay Autery, KY5G 

On 6/27/2017 9:55 AM, donovanf at starpower.net wrote: 
> WARNING! 
> 
> 
> For extremely important safety and fire prevention reasons reasons, 
> no accessory should ever be connected directly to the negative 
> terminal of an automotive battery . Just like when charging an 
> automotive battery, the negative lead of a cable running directly 
> to the battery should always connect to the engine block and never 
> directly to the battery. 
> 
> 
> The positive lead must be fused where it connects to the battery. 
> 
> 
> There's an excellent discussion here: 
> 
> https://www.w8ji.com/negative_lead_to_battery.htm 
> 
> 
> 73 
> Frank 
> W3LPL 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> 
> From: wd8qwr at twc.com 
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net, "erw edl" <erw.edl at gmail.com>, "Craig LaBarge" <craig.labarge at gmail.com> 
> Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2017 1:14:59 PM 
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: 2017 Chevy Silverado 1500 power outlets 
> 
> Gene and others, 
> 
> If you look in the owner's manual you will notice that Chevy has already provided this. You need to look in the up-fitters section, which can be downloaded from the Chevy website. You will find the wiring diagram of the truck there. The accessory outlets are wired with 18 or 16AWG wire and NOT recommended for anything that draws large current above about 10 amps intermittent. 
> 
> There are two ways to get the power you need into the cab. One is provided as a feed-thru from the under-hood fuse panel in the accessory wiring block in the cab above the parking brake pedal. It is a black covered block. All you need is to buy the connector and pins from the dealer or an up-fitter and put in the proper fuse. If you prefer as I did to run your own, you have plenty of room in the wiring grommet just above the box to add at least 2 10AWG wires which you can run to the battery. Add an inline fuse and attach to the battery accessory connector already on the battery using the appropriate hardware. Bring the wire through the grommet and under the carpet to the seat, where the carpet is split to be able to get it to the center console (if desired) or down the channel to the rear of the truck as desired. I mounted my radio (id880) in the tissue compartment (its is 8x10" opening or a little larger) in the back of the console; head in front of the cup holders and ant 
en 
> 
> na on the roof where it belongs. 
> 
> Enjoy your install. 
> 
> Phil, WD8QWR 
> 
> 
> ---- Craig LaBarge <craig.labarge at gmail.com> wrote: 
>> Gene: 
>> 
>> I have a 2017 Silverado 1500 double-cab. The 12V outlet on the dashboard 
>> is on all the time. There's one inside the center console and one on the 
>> rear of the console (for rear passengers) that are switched. 
>> 
>> I don't know what the current ratings are but I use the one in the rear to 
>> power my Yaesu FT-8800 dual-band rig at full power (50W on 2M) with no 
>> issues. I occasionally use the one on the dash to power an APRS tracker (8 
>> watts). 
>> 
>> I haven't used an HF rig with the power outlets but on VHF/UHF I have no 
>> detectable noise. Again, I don't know if that would be the case at HF. 
>> 
>> Hope this helps. 
>> 
>> 73, Craig WB3GCK 
>> http://wb3gck.craiglabarge.com/ 
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From n7rjn at nobis.net  Tue Jun 27 12:15:23 2017
From: n7rjn at nobis.net (Robert Nobis)
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2017 09:15:23 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: 2017 Chevy Silverado 1500 power outlets
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Hi Vic,

Just wondering, what is the probability that the ground cable would become either partially or completely disconnected?  In the unlikely event this might happen, simply put an appropriately rated fuse in the ground line, in addition to the one in the positive voltage line.

73,


Bob Nobis 
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> On Jun 27, 2017, at 08:52, Vic Rosenthal <k2vco.vic at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I don't think math or difficult physics is needed. Suppose you connect the radio directly to battery, and then suppose the battery to ground cable becomes partially or completely disconnected. Finally, suppose you then try to start the engine. When the starter solenoid closes, some of the high current from the battery negative terminal flows through the negative lead to the radio, and then to ground through the radio's mounting bracket, the coax to the antenna, etc. The no. 10 ground wire might have to carry several hundred amps! Lots of things can be damaged.
> This is why negative leads should be fused, at least.
> 
> Vic 4X6GP 
> 
>> On 27 Jun 2017, at 18:21, Clay Autery <KY5G at montac.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Horse puckey!  I DEFY you to prove the physics OR math of that
>> ridiculous statement.
>> 
>> ______________________
>> Clay Autery, KY5G
>> 
>>> On 6/27/2017 9:55 AM, donovanf at starpower.net wrote:
>>> WARNING! 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> For extremely important safety and fire prevention reasons reasons, 
>>> no accessory should ever be connected directly to the negative 
>>> terminal of an automotive battery . Just like when charging an 
>>> automotive battery, the negative lead of a cable running directly 
>>> to the battery should always connect to the engine block and never 
>>> directly to the battery. 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> The positive lead must be fused where it connects to the battery. 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> There's an excellent discussion here: 
>>> 
>>> https://www.w8ji.com/negative_lead_to_battery.htm 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 73 
>>> Frank 
>>> W3LPL 
>>> 
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From donovanf at starpower.net  Tue Jun 27 12:22:56 2017
From: donovanf at starpower.net (donovanf at starpower.net)
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2017 12:22:56 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: 2017 Chevy Silverado 1500 power outlets
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Here's an excellent article on how to safely install accessory wiring 
in a vehicle without creating a deadly fire hazard: 


http://www.k0bg.com/wiring.html 


73 
Frank 
W3LPL 

----- Original Message -----

From: donovanf at starpower.net 
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net 
Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2017 4:07:18 PM 
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: 2017 Chevy Silverado 1500 power outlets 


Hi Bill, 


This is extremely dangerous advice, I'd hate to see someone 
die in a fire as a result! 


73 
Frank 
W3LPL 

----- Original Message -----

From: "Nr4c" <nr4c at widomaker.com> 
To: "Eugene Worth" <erw.edl at gmail.com> 
Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net 
Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2017 3:22:36 PM 
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: 2017 Chevy Silverado 1500 power outlets 

Don't matter. 

Go straight to battery. Run #10 cable. 

You probably have a stud near under hood fuse box for accessories and like trailer power and it's fused at 20 or 30 A. 

Sent from my iPhone 
...nr4c. bill 


> On Jun 27, 2017, at 12:48 AM, Eugene Worth <erw.edl at gmail.com> wrote: 
> 
> Sorry for the OT post ? but I am thinking of using one of my Elecraft rigs in the truck ? mobile applications. 
> 
> Does anyone know the amp rating of the two 12v power outlets in the Silverado 1500 for 2017? 
> 
> And, if you do know, is it switched (with the ignition) or always on? 
> 
> Thanks in advance. I?ve tried on the Chevrolet.com <http://chevrolet.com/> website, and they simply list the outlets, not the amp rating. 
> 
> Nice prices now for the trucks. Thinking hard about it, but I didn?t want to run power cables from my battery to the interior of the truck if I didn?t need to. 
> 
> PS: This is for a 10w K2, but it would be nice to run 50w or 100w with the K3 if it would work. 
> 
> Thanks! 
> 
> gene 
> WG7GW 
> 
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From kl7uw at acsalaska.net  Tue Jun 27 14:08:25 2017
From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole)
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2017 10:08:25 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: 2017 Chevy Silverado 1500 power outlets
Message-ID: <201706271814.v5RIEX8M013817@mail41c28.carrierzone.com>

Sorry, I own a 2015 Ford F250, but ...

It came with four factory-mounted lever switches on the dash (which 
illuminate when power is applied).  Three were rated at 20A and 4th 
was higher.  I did have to connect the wiring from the switches using 
the service manual which I downloaded from Ford site.  In my case all 
power is controlled by ignition via relays built-into the truck 
(which I figured would save me from dead batteries).

For my main 14.2v (engine running) power I ran two No. 8 insulated 
wires via a 40A relay which supplies the radios and amps at a 
terminal strip under the back seat.  One of the dash switches 
controls that main power relay.  I also have a Garmin GPSMAP on the 
dash and the KX3 controlled by other two dash switches.  KX3 remotely 
controls the rear seat installed KXPA100.

Details:  http://www.kl7uw.com/Mobile.htm

On the 5500 mile R/T to Seattle in May/June I noted no RFI to/from 
the truck electronics (we picked up the trailer in Seattle).

73, Ed - KL7UW
   http://www.kl7uw.com
Dubus-NA Business mail:
   dubususa at gmail.com 


From f8acf56 at yahoo.fr  Tue Jun 27 14:30:20 2017
From: f8acf56 at yahoo.fr (Christophe F8ACF-56)
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2017 18:30:20 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] k2 and kpa 100
In-Reply-To: <67303459-92f4-714c-62f3-db616ab1240d@embarqmail.com>
References: <697897742.4228927.1498504149919.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<697897742.4228927.1498504149919@mail.yahoo.com>
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	<498627690.5188767.1498570282756@mail.yahoo.com>
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Message-ID: <563887635.5649485.1498588220913@mail.yahoo.com>

hi don ,
my K2 # 7369 ! my firmware is 2.04R? is good to works .
I take advantage of having remove the face control for C42 which was of good value.

The advice given is of benefit that it is filed to make the modification for the KIO2

Again Thanks for your help always super efficient forum!?73 , Christophe F8ACF-56

      De?: Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com>
 ??: Christophe F8ACF-56 <f8acf56 at yahoo.fr>; Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> 
 Envoy? le : Mardi 27 juin 2017 16h01
 Objet?: Re: [Elecraft] k2 and kpa 100
   
Christophe,

That is the modification I thought you were referring to.

If your K2 serial number is 3000 or higher, that mod is already 
installed, and you do NOT have to do it.
Notice that it refers to the REV A RF board.? Rev B boards are used in 
K2s with a serial number of 3000 or more.
Also if your K2 is serial number 3000 or more, when you get to page 59, 
you should not do the Control Board wiring changes shown there.? Those 
changes have already been embedded on the REV B board.

Yes, an infinity reading is good at the AF pad on the KPA100 board.? See 
the "I triangle" note near the top of the 2nd column on page 22.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 6/27/2017 9:31 AM, Christophe F8ACF-56 wrote:
> Hello Don,
>
> It does not matter to your Frenchman, my Englishman and far from being 
> the one you master!
>
> I use google translation HI! To try to make me understand as well as 
> possible
>
> For mounting the KPA 100 I arrived on page 22, "initial test" 
> everything is OK
>
> But I have a doubt about "AF pad", ground.
>
> The measure gives infinity is this correct?
>
>
>
>



   

From KY5G at montac.com  Tue Jun 27 14:36:36 2017
From: KY5G at montac.com (Clay Autery)
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2017 13:36:36 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: 2017 Chevy Silverado 1500 power outlets
In-Reply-To: <729485053.3674577.1498579583800@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <239786673.5990928.1498575356736.JavaMail.root@starpower.net>
	<b55cdaa1-71e6-25bf-6cf1-3d12a18addff@montac.com>
	<42F0F8BD-42F8-4616-92B6-7E7E60638376@gmail.com>
	<729485053.3674577.1498579583800@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <317158d1-76de-2ec9-1780-1a3bb34d6dff@montac.com>

THIS... see my just submitted response for the OCD amateur engineer's
approach to creating a redundant return.

______________________
Clay Autery, KY5G

On 6/27/2017 11:06 AM, Richard gillingham wrote:
> Fuse BOTH leads at the battery...
> 73
> Gil, W1RG
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* Vic Rosenthal <k2vco.vic at gmail.com>
> *To:* Clay Autery <KY5G at montac.com>
> *Cc:* elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 27, 2017 11:53 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [Elecraft] OT: 2017 Chevy Silverado 1500 power outlets
>
> I don't think math or difficult physics is needed. Suppose you connect
> the radio directly to battery, and then suppose the battery to ground
> cable becomes partially or completely disconnected. Finally, suppose
> you then try to start the engine. When the starter solenoid closes,
> some of the high current from the battery negative terminal flows
> through the negative lead to the radio, and then to ground through the
> radio's mounting bracket, the coax to the antenna, etc. The no. 10
> ground wire might have to carry several hundred amps! Lots of things
> can be damaged.
> This is why negative leads should be fused, at least.
>
> Vic 4X6GP
>
> > On 27 Jun 2017, at 18:21, Clay Autery <KY5G at montac.com
> <mailto:KY5G at montac.com>> wrote:
> >
> > Horse puckey!  I DEFY you to prove the physics OR math of that
> > ridiculous statement.
> >
> > ______________________
> > Clay Autery, KY5G
> >
> >> On 6/27/2017 9:55 AM, donovanf at starpower.net
> <mailto:donovanf at starpower.net> wrote:
> >> WARNING!
> >>
> >>
> >> For extremely important safety and fire prevention reasons reasons,
> >> no accessory should ever be connected directly to the negative
> >> terminal of an automotive battery . Just like when charging an
> >> automotive battery, the negative lead of a cable running directly
> >> to the battery should always connect to the engine block and never
> >> directly to the battery.
> >>
> >>
> >> The positive lead must be fused where it connects to the battery.
> >>
> >>
> >> There's an excellent discussion here:
> >>
> >> https://www.w8ji.com/negative_lead_to_battery.htm
> >>
> >>
> >> 73
> >> Frank
> >> W3LPL
> >>
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From KY5G at montac.com  Tue Jun 27 14:42:08 2017
From: KY5G at montac.com (Clay Autery)
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2017 13:42:08 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: 2017 Chevy Silverado 1500 power outlets
In-Reply-To: <002a01d2ef5f$ca87ba70$5f972f50$@biz>
References: <239786673.5990928.1498575356736.JavaMail.root@starpower.net>
	<b55cdaa1-71e6-25bf-6cf1-3d12a18addff@montac.com>
	<002a01d2ef5f$ca87ba70$5f972f50$@biz>
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Yes sir... I'm sure it is...  but one simply cannot make absolute
statements like the article (and OP) did without addressing REALITY. 
See my response to Vic... I answered in detail.

PS - I don't believe I have EVER seen an auto that powers all the car
systems WHILE the key is in Start position (and thus engaging the
starter relay, solenoid, and starter).
NEVER seen an auto made in the last 30 years or so with a SINGLE return
path to Batt (-).  If there is, I wouldn't own/use it until I fixed the
egregious engineering error.  <smile>

73,

______________________
Clay Autery, KY5G

On 6/27/2017 11:09 AM, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote:
> Clay, I believe it has to do with danger to your equipment should the
> connection between the battery and the chassis open. In that case all the
> current to all the automobile systems, from starter to lights to ignition,
> radio, etc., would flow through the ground path provided by the radio if it
> is connected directly to the negative battery terminal. Since that can be
> 100's of amperes when starting the engine, no radio is likely to survive. 
>
> 73, Ron AC7AC
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net
> [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Clay Autery
> Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2017 8:21 AM
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: 2017 Chevy Silverado 1500 power outlets
>
> Horse puckey!  I DEFY you to prove the physics OR math of that ridiculous
> statement.
>
> ______________________
> Clay Autery, KY5G
>
> On 6/27/2017 9:55 AM, donovanf at starpower.net wrote:
>> WARNING! 
>>
>>
>> For extremely important safety and fire prevention reasons reasons, no 
>> accessory should ever be connected directly to the negative terminal 
>> of an automotive battery . Just like when charging an automotive 
>> battery, the negative lead of a cable running directly to the battery 
>> should always connect to the engine block and never directly to the 
>> battery.
>>
>>
>> The positive lead must be fused where it connects to the battery. 
>>
>>
>> There's an excellent discussion here: 
>>
>> https://www.w8ji.com/negative_lead_to_battery.htm
>>
>>
>> 73
>> Frank
>> W3LPL


From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Tue Jun 27 14:44:13 2017
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2017 14:44:13 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] k2 and kpa 100
In-Reply-To: <563887635.5649485.1498588220913@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <697897742.4228927.1498504149919.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
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Christophe,

With that serial number, it is set to include all that is necessary to 
add the KPA100.

Just install the P3 and P6 headers and remove pin 4 from the P4 header 
on the Control Board.
The reason for removing that pin is so the ribbon cable cannot be 
plugged in upside down.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 6/27/2017 2:30 PM, Christophe F8ACF-56 wrote:
> hi don ,
>
> my K2 # 7369 ! my firmware is 2.04R  is good to works .
>
> I take advantage of having remove the face control for C42 which was 
> of good value.
>
> The advice given is of benefit that it is filed to make the 
> modification for the KIO2
>
> Again Thanks for your help always super efficient forum!
> 73 , Christophe F8ACF-56
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *De :* Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com>
> *? :* Christophe F8ACF-56 <f8acf56 at yahoo.fr>; Elecraft Reflector 
> <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> *Envoy? le :* Mardi 27 juin 2017 16h01
> *Objet :* Re: [Elecraft] k2 and kpa 100
>
> Christophe,
>
> That is the modification I thought you were referring to.
>
> If your K2 serial number is 3000 or higher, that mod is already
> installed, and you do NOT have to do it.
> Notice that it refers to the REV A RF board.  Rev B boards are used in
> K2s with a serial number of 3000 or more.
> Also if your K2 is serial number 3000 or more, when you get to page 59,
> you should not do the Control Board wiring changes shown there.  Those
> changes have already been embedded on the REV B board.
>
> Yes, an infinity reading is good at the AF pad on the KPA100 board.  See
> the "I triangle" note near the top of the 2nd column on page 22.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 6/27/2017 9:31 AM, Christophe F8ACF-56 wrote:
> > Hello Don,
> >
> > It does not matter to your Frenchman, my Englishman and far from being
> > the one you master!
> >
> > I use google translation HI! To try to make me understand as well as
> > possible
> >
> > For mounting the KPA 100 I arrived on page 22, "initial test"
> > everything is OK
> >
> > But I have a doubt about "AF pad", ground.
> >
> > The measure gives infinity is this correct?
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>


From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Tue Jun 27 14:49:03 2017
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2017 14:49:03 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: 2017 Chevy Silverado 1500 power outlets
In-Reply-To: <1323282664.6079777.1498580576943.JavaMail.root@starpower.net>
References: <1323282664.6079777.1498580576943.JavaMail.root@starpower.net>
Message-ID: <e6a6fbfb-43d3-f1ea-2680-293ebdec2d8a@embarqmail.com>

Yes,

The negative wire should be connected to the place where the negative 
battery wire is bonded to the chassis or body of the vehicle - and not 
directly to the battery.  You should also fuse it.

Advice to do otherwise applies only to ancient vehicles, and you can 
conclude that the material is superseded by information about modern 
vehicles.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 6/27/2017 12:22 PM, donovanf at starpower.net wrote:
> Here's an excellent article on how to safely install accessory wiring
> in a vehicle without creating a deadly fire hazard:
> 
> 
> http://www.k0bg.com/wiring.html
> 
> 
> 73
> Frank
> W3LPL
> 

From KY5G at montac.com  Tue Jun 27 14:57:09 2017
From: KY5G at montac.com (Clay Autery)
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2017 13:57:09 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: 2017 Chevy Silverado 1500 power outlets
In-Reply-To: <442219561.6070779.1498579915225.JavaMail.root@starpower.net>
References: <442219561.6070779.1498579915225.JavaMail.root@starpower.net>
Message-ID: <a7375fbf-0027-31e9-450b-d8340157a7ba@montac.com>

See my detailed response...  Original article is RIDDLED with inaccuracy
and fantasy scenarios that simply are not part of modern automotive
electrical engineering.

You build your stuff any way you want it...  I'll do the same...

I understand that you relied upon the article and the author as a basis
for making your OP....  doesn't make it any less inaccurate.

You simply CANNOT make absolute statements like that without AT LEAST
qualifying the EXCEPTIONS to the "God says..." absolute.  <grin>

73...  Apologize if my initial reaction torqued you off.  Been spark
chasing all my life from race cars to helicopters...  Certain hot
buttons set me off.... this is one of them.

______________________
Clay Autery, KY5G

On 6/27/2017 11:11 AM, donovanf at starpower.net wrote:
> Most of can evaluate Clay's comment with no need for further input by me
>
> 73
> Frank
> W3LPL
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From: *"Clay Autery" <KY5G at montac.com>
> *To: *elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> *Sent: *Tuesday, June 27, 2017 3:21:11 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [Elecraft] OT: 2017 Chevy Silverado 1500 power outlets
>
> Horse puckey!  I DEFY you to prove the physics OR math of that
> ridiculous statement.
>
> ______________________
> Clay Autery, KY5G
>
> On 6/27/2017 9:55 AM, donovanf at starpower.net wrote:
> > WARNING!
> >
> >
> > For extremely important safety and fire prevention reasons reasons,
> > no accessory should ever be connected directly to the negative
> > terminal of an automotive battery . Just like when charging an
> > automotive battery, the negative lead of a cable running directly
> > to the battery should always connect to the engine block and never
> > directly to the battery.
> >
> >
> > The positive lead must be fused where it connects to the battery.
> >
> >
> > There's an excellent discussion here:
> >
> > https://www.w8ji.com/negative_lead_to_battery.htm
> >
> >
> > 73
> > Frank
> > W3LPL
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> >
> > From: wd8qwr at twc.com
> > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net, "erw edl" <erw.edl at gmail.com>, "Craig
> LaBarge" <craig.labarge at gmail.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2017 1:14:59 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: 2017 Chevy Silverado 1500 power outlets
> >
> > Gene and others,
> >
> > If you look in the owner's manual you will notice that Chevy has
> already provided this. You need to look in the up-fitters section,
> which can be downloaded from the Chevy website. You will find the
> wiring diagram of the truck there. The accessory outlets are wired
> with 18 or 16AWG wire and NOT recommended for anything that draws
> large current above about 10 amps intermittent.
> >
> > There are two ways to get the power you need into the cab. One is
> provided as a feed-thru from the under-hood fuse panel in the
> accessory wiring block in the cab above the parking brake pedal. It is
> a black covered block. All you need is to buy the connector and pins
> from the dealer or an up-fitter and put in the proper fuse. If you
> prefer as I did to run your own, you have plenty of room in the wiring
> grommet just above the box to add at least 2 10AWG wires which you can
> run to the battery. Add an inline fuse and attach to the battery
> accessory connector already on the battery using the appropriate
> hardware. Bring the wire through the grommet and under the carpet to
> the seat, where the carpet is split to be able to get it to the center
> console (if desired) or down the channel to the rear of the truck as
> desired. I mounted my radio (id880) in the tissue compartment (its is
> 8x10" opening or a little larger) in the back of the console; head in
> front of the cup holders and ant
>  en
> >  
> > na on the roof where it belongs.
> >
> > Enjoy your install.
> >
> > Phil, WD8QWR
> >
> >
> > ---- Craig LaBarge <craig.labarge at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Gene:
> >>
> >> I have a 2017 Silverado 1500 double-cab. The 12V outlet on the
> dashboard
> >> is on all the time. There's one inside the center console and one
> on the
> >> rear of the console (for rear passengers) that are switched.
> >>
> >> I don't know what the current ratings are but I use the one in the
> rear to
> >> power my Yaesu FT-8800 dual-band rig at full power (50W on 2M) with no
> >> issues. I occasionally use the one on the dash to power an APRS
> tracker (8
> >> watts).
> >>
> >> I haven't used an HF rig with the power outlets but on VHF/UHF I
> have no
> >> detectable noise. Again, I don't know if that would be the case at HF.
> >>
> >> Hope this helps.
> >>
> >> 73, Craig WB3GCK
> >> http://wb3gck.craiglabarge.com/
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From KY5G at montac.com  Tue Jun 27 15:07:52 2017
From: KY5G at montac.com (Clay Autery)
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2017 14:07:52 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: 2017 Chevy Silverado 1500 power outlets
In-Reply-To: <42F0F8BD-42F8-4616-92B6-7E7E60638376@gmail.com>
References: <239786673.5990928.1498575356736.JavaMail.root@starpower.net>
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For some reason, the following detailed response did not "reflect"...
Resending...
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

1) There is NO GROUND in an automobile.  There is a return plane that
effectively ACTS as a ground.... if you choose to look at it that way.
2) The "Negative" terminal of the battery IS the return point...  The
theoretical point of lowest potential...  (not really, but that's a
whole other discussion that would just confuse the issue here).
3) EVERY other so-called "ground" in the ENTIRE system is an
APPROXIMATION of THE return at the Batt (-) post.
4) I don't "suppose" anything in my circuit design.... TWO
hypotheticals?  BUT...
5) Yes, we'll assume hypothetical #1....  I am ABSOLUTELY going to
connect my HF radio, along with my also very expensive stereo DIRECTLY
to the battery via BOTH BATT (+) and BATT (-) using VERY large
conductors in order to keep the resistance as low as possible.
6) Hypothetical #2 is simply laughable... ANY system that has only ONE
low resistance return path to BATT (-).  Even the STOCK electrical
design had more than one "ground" path back to BATT (-)....  In fact,
there were returns from every major metal structure in the truck... 
Front clip, LH frame, RH frame, engine, cab, middle frame, bed, rear
frame left and right, receiver and several other smaller/minor ones
dedicated to specific purposes...  aka: ECU has it's own ground, et al.
7) Any engineer worth his salt plans for failures...  I increased the
size and rerouted returns more efficiently to cause the return
resistance to BATT (-) to be approximately the same from ALL points in
the truck (rear frame grounds have not yet been replaced, but are
spec'd. Average resistance from any return tie to frame/body panel, etc.
is LESS than 1 Ohm.... a lot less.... like 0.2 Ohms.
8)  Assuming I was ignorant enough to ONLY have a single engine return
to BATT (-) for instance...  The current would find returns via the
motor mount to frame bond which would be still less than 1 Ohm.  Same
with starter solenoid and/or starter relay...
9) Additionally, the direct cabling from the battery to the in-cab
distro point is FUSED on BOTH the BATT (+) and BATT (-) with fast blow
fuses range selected to open BEFORE catastrophic current spikes can hit
the accessories.

And finally....  As a properly trained aviator, I don't crank my vehicle
with direct connected accessories on...  That's simply poor operator
procedure.  Even the original factory circuit interrupted the circuit to
the factory stereo when the key was in the START position.

FACT:  There is no electrical difference between a 0.2 Ohm return path
DIRECTLY to the battery than there is a 0.2 Ohm return path that runs
from the accessory to frame or engine ground point and THEN to Batt (-).

Take-away:  Design your return plane such that you 1) incorporate EVERY
appreciable piece of metal in the vehicle... frame, engine, body panels,
suspension, etc.  AND design it such that all returns are redundant and
have approximately the same resistance in the path to Batt (-).

Poor design/engineering, exceedingly poor maintenance, poor operator
training lead the list of stupid things one can do if you are TRYING to
create a potential damage situation...  But generally, it takes a
failure in TWO of the three domains to realize any damage.

I think the smallest return wire I have in my truck carrying more than 1
amp is 4 AWG.

Bottom Line: understand DC... don't do stupid stuff.  :)

73, Vic....  this was mostly in response to the original post and the
false absolutes stated in the article....  If we allowed articles like
that to guide our science, we would never have gone to space because we
can't jump into orbit using human leg power...  <grin>

______________________
Clay Autery, KY5G

On 6/27/2017 10:52 AM, Vic Rosenthal wrote:
> I don't think math or difficult physics is needed. Suppose you connect the radio directly to battery, and then suppose the battery to ground cable becomes partially or completely disconnected. Finally, suppose you then try to start the engine. When the starter solenoid closes, some of the high current from the battery negative terminal flows through the negative lead to the radio, and then to ground through the radio's mounting bracket, the coax to the antenna, etc. The no. 10 ground wire might have to carry several hundred amps! Lots of things can be damaged.
> This is why negative leads should be fused, at least.
>
> Vic 4X6GP 
>
>> On 27 Jun 2017, at 18:21, Clay Autery <KY5G at montac.com> wrote:
>>
>> Horse puckey!  I DEFY you to prove the physics OR math of that
>> ridiculous statement.
>>
>> ______________________
>> Clay Autery, KY5G
>>
>>> On 6/27/2017 9:55 AM, donovanf at starpower.net wrote:
>>> WARNING! 
>>>
>>>
>>> For extremely important safety and fire prevention reasons reasons, 
>>> no accessory should ever be connected directly to the negative 
>>> terminal of an automotive battery . Just like when charging an 
>>> automotive battery, the negative lead of a cable running directly 
>>> to the battery should always connect to the engine block and never 
>>> directly to the battery. 
>>>
>>>
>>> The positive lead must be fused where it connects to the battery. 
>>>
>>>
>>> There's an excellent discussion here: 
>>>
>>> https://www.w8ji.com/negative_lead_to_battery.htm 
>>>
>>>
>>> 73 
>>> Frank 
>>> W3LPL 
>>>


From pincon at erols.com  Tue Jun 27 15:42:52 2017
From: pincon at erols.com (Charlie T, K3ICH)
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2017 15:42:52 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: 2017 Chevy Silverado 1500 power outlets
In-Reply-To: <42F0F8BD-42F8-4616-92B6-7E7E60638376@gmail.com>
References: <239786673.5990928.1498575356736.JavaMail.root@starpower.net>	<b55cdaa1-71e6-25bf-6cf1-3d12a18addff@montac.com>
	<42F0F8BD-42F8-4616-92B6-7E7E60638376@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <00a001d2ef7d$9480dfb0$bd829f10$@erols.com>

I have to ask, has ANYONE ever heard of a circumstance where the negative
return lead from the battery to the engine block has ever failed, short of a
battlefield situation?
Still, probably a good idea to fuse the negative to radio wire anyway.

Charlie k3ICH



-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net
[mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Vic Rosenthal
Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2017 11:52 AM
To: Clay Autery <KY5G at montac.com>
Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: 2017 Chevy Silverado 1500 power outlets

I don't think math or difficult physics is needed. Suppose you connect the
radio directly to battery, and then suppose the battery to ground cable
becomes partially or completely disconnected. Finally, suppose you then try
to start the engine. When the starter solenoid closes, some of the high
current from the battery negative terminal flows through the negative lead
to the radio, and then to ground through the radio's mounting bracket, the
coax to the antenna, etc. The no. 10 ground wire might have to carry several
hundred amps! Lots of things can be damaged.
This is why negative leads should be fused, at least.

Vic 4X6GP 

> On 27 Jun 2017, at 18:21, Clay Autery <KY5G at montac.com> wrote:
> 
> Horse puckey!  I DEFY you to prove the physics OR math of that 
> ridiculous statement.
> 
> ______________________
> Clay Autery, KY5G
> 
>> On 6/27/2017 9:55 AM, donovanf at starpower.net wrote:
>> WARNING! 
>> 
>> 
>> For extremely important safety and fire prevention reasons reasons, 
>> no accessory should ever be connected directly to the negative 
>> terminal of an automotive battery . Just like when charging an 
>> automotive battery, the negative lead of a cable running directly to 
>> the battery should always connect to the engine block and never 
>> directly to the battery.
>> 
>> 
>> The positive lead must be fused where it connects to the battery. 
>> 
>> 
>> There's an excellent discussion here: 
>> 
>> https://www.w8ji.com/negative_lead_to_battery.htm
>> 
>> 
>> 73
>> Frank
>> W3LPL
>> 
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From n1al at sonic.net  Tue Jun 27 15:51:12 2017
From: n1al at sonic.net (Alan)
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2017 12:51:12 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: 2017 Chevy Silverado 1500 power outlets
In-Reply-To: <00a001d2ef7d$9480dfb0$bd829f10$@erols.com>
References: <239786673.5990928.1498575356736.JavaMail.root@starpower.net>
	<b55cdaa1-71e6-25bf-6cf1-3d12a18addff@montac.com>
	<42F0F8BD-42F8-4616-92B6-7E7E60638376@gmail.com>
	<00a001d2ef7d$9480dfb0$bd829f10$@erols.com>
Message-ID: <f7ae32fd-cead-79be-c65a-5abb4005470b@sonic.net>

I once had the connection to the battery on my old VW bug fail due to 
corrosion around the battery contacts.  I don't remember if it was the 
positive or negative lead.

I believe modern autos often have a current sensor in the negative 
battery lead.  So you are supposed to connect the radio negative lead to 
the chassis side of the sensor.  And if you connect it to any part of 
the negative battery lead you should fuse it in case the battery chassis 
connection goes bad for any reason.

Alan N1AL


On 06/27/2017 12:42 PM, Charlie T, K3ICH wrote:
> I have to ask, has ANYONE ever heard of a circumstance where the negative
> return lead from the battery to the engine block has ever failed, short of a
> battlefield situation?
> Still, probably a good idea to fuse the negative to radio wire anyway.
> 
> Charlie k3ICH
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net
> [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Vic Rosenthal
> Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2017 11:52 AM
> To: Clay Autery <KY5G at montac.com>
> Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: 2017 Chevy Silverado 1500 power outlets
> 
> I don't think math or difficult physics is needed. Suppose you connect the
> radio directly to battery, and then suppose the battery to ground cable
> becomes partially or completely disconnected. Finally, suppose you then try
> to start the engine. When the starter solenoid closes, some of the high
> current from the battery negative terminal flows through the negative lead
> to the radio, and then to ground through the radio's mounting bracket, the
> coax to the antenna, etc. The no. 10 ground wire might have to carry several
> hundred amps! Lots of things can be damaged.
> This is why negative leads should be fused, at least.
> 
> Vic 4X6GP
> 
>> On 27 Jun 2017, at 18:21, Clay Autery <KY5G at montac.com> wrote:
>>
>> Horse puckey!  I DEFY you to prove the physics OR math of that
>> ridiculous statement.
>>
>> ______________________
>> Clay Autery, KY5G
>>
>>> On 6/27/2017 9:55 AM, donovanf at starpower.net wrote:
>>> WARNING!
>>>
>>>
>>> For extremely important safety and fire prevention reasons reasons,
>>> no accessory should ever be connected directly to the negative
>>> terminal of an automotive battery . Just like when charging an
>>> automotive battery, the negative lead of a cable running directly to
>>> the battery should always connect to the engine block and never
>>> directly to the battery.
>>>
>>>
>>> The positive lead must be fused where it connects to the battery.
>>>
>>>
>>> There's an excellent discussion here:
>>>
>>> https://www.w8ji.com/negative_lead_to_battery.htm
>>>
>>>
>>> 73
>>> Frank
>>> W3LPL
>>>
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From nr4c at widomaker.com  Tue Jun 27 15:56:41 2017
From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c)
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2017 15:56:41 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Where are the K3 FW and CONFIG files on my Win 10
	computer?
In-Reply-To: <CAAOvogbiB=rEoNkR19Uu-QWMmpV6qgtJwcc6cNibS2Dv7ttENg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <0FF07708-3799-4320-A073-478751DA24B2@widomaker.com>
	<CAAOvogbiB=rEoNkR19Uu-QWMmpV6qgtJwcc6cNibS2Dv7ttENg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9157DD25-627E-4D3B-93D6-605142881306@widomaker.com>

Thanks. I looked everywhere but "Roaming". What's a cell phone function got to do with my radio??!


Oh, well. Can't spell "logic" with the tiles from Microsoft!

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill


> On Jun 26, 2017, at 11:53 PM, Dick Dievendorff <dick at elecraft.com> wrote:
> 
> It's probably under C:\Users\username\Appdata\Roaming\Elecraft.  Check K3 Utility Help for Firmware and Configuration tabs for details. 
> 
> 73 de Dick, K3KR
> 
>> On Monday, June 26, 2017, Nr4c <nr4c at widomaker.com> wrote:
>> See subject.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> ...nr4c. bill
>> 
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From steve_wilson at yahoo.com  Tue Jun 27 16:05:11 2017
From: steve_wilson at yahoo.com (Steve Wilson)
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2017 20:05:11 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] "Hot" setup for Field Day with op headset,
 logger headphones, and speakers
References: <470886427.3904360.1498593911627.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <470886427.3904360.1498593911627@mail.yahoo.com>

Hi all,
With Field Day behind us, and since our club runs mostly K3's, I thought I'd ask if anyone had suggestions for the best way to configure the K3, use adapters, audio distribution box of some sort, etc., to allow for a headset for the operator, headphones for the logger, and speakers for the "gallery" to hear.
Thanks, Steve ?KO6L

From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Tue Jun 27 16:07:41 2017
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2017 15:07:41 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: 2017 Chevy Silverado 1500 power outlets
In-Reply-To: <00a001d2ef7d$9480dfb0$bd829f10$@erols.com>
References: <239786673.5990928.1498575356736.JavaMail.root@starpower.net>
	<b55cdaa1-71e6-25bf-6cf1-3d12a18addff@montac.com>
	<42F0F8BD-42F8-4616-92B6-7E7E60638376@gmail.com>
	<00a001d2ef7d$9480dfb0$bd829f10$@erols.com>
Message-ID: <7120340D-73C8-47FA-AD10-182CE04D71A4@blomand.net>

Yes!  Seems the customer put a very large ring terminal on his radio ground wire. Then removed the battery cable at the battery, slipped the ring terminal over the negative post and then put the battery negative cable back in place.   All was well until he took the car in for service. As procedure, the technician removed the negative battery cable from the battery. Then somewhere along the way he shorted the positive to chassis.  The radio and radio ground wire went up in smoke. Dang near lost the car too. 

Of course one would say the technician was remiss in that he didn't see the added ground wire and didn't remove it. 

Bob, K4TAX


Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 27, 2017, at 2:42 PM, Charlie T, K3ICH <pincon at erols.com> wrote:
> 
> I have to ask, has ANYONE ever heard of a circumstance where the negative
> return lead from the battery to the engine block has ever failed, short of a
> battlefield situation?
> Still, probably a good idea to fuse the negative to radio wire anyway.
> 
> Charlie k3ICH
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net
> [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Vic Rosenthal
> Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2017 11:52 AM
> To: Clay Autery <KY5G at montac.com>
> Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: 2017 Chevy Silverado 1500 power outlets
> 
> I don't think math or difficult physics is needed. Suppose you connect the
> radio directly to battery, and then suppose the battery to ground cable
> becomes partially or completely disconnected. Finally, suppose you then try
> to start the engine. When the starter solenoid closes, some of the high
> current from the battery negative terminal flows through the negative lead
> to the radio, and then to ground through the radio's mounting bracket, the
> coax to the antenna, etc. The no. 10 ground wire might have to carry several
> hundred amps! Lots of things can be damaged.
> This is why negative leads should be fused, at least.
> 
> Vic 4X6GP 
> 
>> On 27 Jun 2017, at 18:21, Clay Autery <KY5G at montac.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Horse puckey!  I DEFY you to prove the physics OR math of that 
>> ridiculous statement.
>> 
>> ______________________
>> Clay Autery, KY5G
>> 
>>> On 6/27/2017 9:55 AM, donovanf at starpower.net wrote:
>>> WARNING! 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> For extremely important safety and fire prevention reasons reasons, 
>>> no accessory should ever be connected directly to the negative 
>>> terminal of an automotive battery . Just like when charging an 
>>> automotive battery, the negative lead of a cable running directly to 
>>> the battery should always connect to the engine block and never 
>>> directly to the battery.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> The positive lead must be fused where it connects to the battery. 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> There's an excellent discussion here: 
>>> 
>>> https://www.w8ji.com/negative_lead_to_battery.htm
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 73
>>> Frank
>>> W3LPL
>>> 
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From htodd at twofifty.com  Tue Jun 27 16:09:22 2017
From: htodd at twofifty.com (Hisashi T Fujinaka)
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2017 13:09:22 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: 2017 Chevy Silverado 1500 power outlets
In-Reply-To: <00a001d2ef7d$9480dfb0$bd829f10$@erols.com>
References: <239786673.5990928.1498575356736.JavaMail.root@starpower.net>
	<b55cdaa1-71e6-25bf-6cf1-3d12a18addff@montac.com>
	<42F0F8BD-42F8-4616-92B6-7E7E60638376@gmail.com>
	<00a001d2ef7d$9480dfb0$bd829f10$@erols.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.NEB.2.21.1.1706271308070.1182@chris.i8u.org>

Yes. Rental car in Mexico, bumpy roads, and no strap to hold the battery
in place. Just heard it yesterday.

On Tue, 27 Jun 2017, Charlie T, K3ICH wrote:

> I have to ask, has ANYONE ever heard of a circumstance where the negative
> return lead from the battery to the engine block has ever failed, short of a
> battlefield situation?
> Still, probably a good idea to fuse the negative to radio wire anyway.
>
> Charlie k3ICH
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net
> [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Vic Rosenthal
> Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2017 11:52 AM
> To: Clay Autery <KY5G at montac.com>
> Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: 2017 Chevy Silverado 1500 power outlets
>
> I don't think math or difficult physics is needed. Suppose you connect the
> radio directly to battery, and then suppose the battery to ground cable
> becomes partially or completely disconnected. Finally, suppose you then try
> to start the engine. When the starter solenoid closes, some of the high
> current from the battery negative terminal flows through the negative lead
> to the radio, and then to ground through the radio's mounting bracket, the
> coax to the antenna, etc. The no. 10 ground wire might have to carry several
> hundred amps! Lots of things can be damaged.
> This is why negative leads should be fused, at least.
>
> Vic 4X6GP
>
>> On 27 Jun 2017, at 18:21, Clay Autery <KY5G at montac.com> wrote:
>>
>> Horse puckey!  I DEFY you to prove the physics OR math of that
>> ridiculous statement.
>>
>> ______________________
>> Clay Autery, KY5G
>>
>>> On 6/27/2017 9:55 AM, donovanf at starpower.net wrote:
>>> WARNING!
>>>
>>>
>>> For extremely important safety and fire prevention reasons reasons,
>>> no accessory should ever be connected directly to the negative
>>> terminal of an automotive battery . Just like when charging an
>>> automotive battery, the negative lead of a cable running directly to
>>> the battery should always connect to the engine block and never
>>> directly to the battery.
>>>
>>>
>>> The positive lead must be fused where it connects to the battery.
>>>
>>>
>>> There's an excellent discussion here:
>>>
>>> https://www.w8ji.com/negative_lead_to_battery.htm
>>>
>>>
>>> 73
>>> Frank
>>> W3LPL
>>>
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From eric at elecraft.com  Tue Jun 27 16:23:18 2017
From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft)
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2017 22:23:18 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: 2017 Chevy Silverado 1500 power outlets
In-Reply-To: <alpine.NEB.2.21.1.1706271308070.1182@chris.i8u.org>
References: <239786673.5990928.1498575356736.JavaMail.root@starpower.net>
	<b55cdaa1-71e6-25bf-6cf1-3d12a18addff@montac.com>
	<42F0F8BD-42F8-4616-92B6-7E7E60638376@gmail.com>
	<00a001d2ef7d$9480dfb0$bd829f10$@erols.com>
	<alpine.NEB.2.21.1.1706271308070.1182@chris.i8u.org>
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Thread closed.

Guys, we are getting way out of hand on huge OT threads.  Please keep them to 5 posts, AT MOST, or we will be forced to tighten down the list to Elecraft 
product related topics only. That would be a shame..

Also, delete all copied text including the list footers, except possibly 1-2 sentences for context, from prior email in your replies.

73,
Eric
Elecraft List Moderator etc.
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_..._



> On Jun 27, 2017, at 10:09 PM, Hisashi T Fujinaka <htodd at twofifty.com> wrote:
> 
> Yes. Rental car in Mexico, bumpy roads, and no strap to hold the battery
> in place. Just heard it yesterday.
> 

From eric at elecraft.com  Tue Jun 27 16:35:19 2017
From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft)
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2017 22:35:19 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: 2017 Chevy Silverado 1500 power outlets
In-Reply-To: <alpine.NEB.2.21.1.1706271308070.1182@chris.i8u.org>
References: <239786673.5990928.1498575356736.JavaMail.root@starpower.net>
	<b55cdaa1-71e6-25bf-6cf1-3d12a18addff@montac.com>
	<42F0F8BD-42F8-4616-92B6-7E7E60638376@gmail.com>
	<00a001d2ef7d$9480dfb0$bd829f10$@erols.com>
	<alpine.NEB.2.21.1.1706271308070.1182@chris.i8u.org>
Message-ID: <CD59DDED-741D-4F9D-83A7-9D1D54F54701@elecraft.com>

Done! :-)

73,

Eric
elecraft.com
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> On Jun 27, 2017, at 10:09 PM, Hisashi T Fujinaka <htodd at twofifty.com> wrote:
> 
> Yes. Rental car in Mexico, bumpy roads, and no strap to hold the battery
> in place. Just heard it yesterday.
> 
>> On Tue, 27 Jun 2017, Charlie T, K3ICH wrote:
>> 
>> I have to ask, has ANYONE ever heard of a circumstance where the negative
>> return lead from the battery to the engine block has ever failed, short of a
>> battlefield situation?
>> Still, probably a good idea to fuse the negative to radio wire anyway.
>> 
>> Charlie k3ICH
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net
>> [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Vic Rosenthal
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2017 11:52 AM
>> To: Clay Autery <KY5G at montac.com>
>> Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: 2017 Chevy Silverado 1500 power outlets
>> 
>> I don't think math or difficult physics is needed. Suppose you connect the
>> radio directly to battery, and then suppose the battery to ground cable
>> becomes partially or completely disconnected. Finally, suppose you then try
>> to start the engine. When the starter solenoid closes, some of the high
>> current from the battery negative terminal flows through the negative lead
>> to the radio, and then to ground through the radio's mounting bracket, the
>> coax to the antenna, etc. The no. 10 ground wire might have to carry several
>> hundred amps! Lots of things can be damaged.
>> This is why negative leads should be fused, at least.
>> 
>> Vic 4X6GP
>> 
>>> On 27 Jun 2017, at 18:21, Clay Autery <KY5G at montac.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Horse puckey!  I DEFY you to prove the physics OR math of that
>>> ridiculous statement.
>>> 
>>> ______________________
>>> Clay Autery, KY5G
>>> 
>>>> On 6/27/2017 9:55 AM, donovanf at starpower.net wrote:
>>>> WARNING!
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> For extremely important safety and fire prevention reasons reasons,
>>>> no accessory should ever be connected directly to the negative
>>>> terminal of an automotive battery . Just like when charging an
>>>> automotive battery, the negative lead of a cable running directly to
>>>> the battery should always connect to the engine block and never
>>>> directly to the battery.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> The positive lead must be fused where it connects to the battery.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> There's an excellent discussion here:
>>>> 
>>>> https://www.w8ji.com/negative_lead_to_battery.htm
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 73
>>>> Frank
>>>> W3LPL
>>>> 
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From k2vco.vic at gmail.com  Tue Jun 27 16:51:48 2017
From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Vic Rosenthal)
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2017 23:51:48 +0300
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: 2017 Chevy Silverado 1500 power outlets
In-Reply-To: <00a001d2ef7d$9480dfb0$bd829f10$@erols.com>
References: <239786673.5990928.1498575356736.JavaMail.root@starpower.net>
	<b55cdaa1-71e6-25bf-6cf1-3d12a18addff@montac.com>
	<42F0F8BD-42F8-4616-92B6-7E7E60638376@gmail.com>
	<00a001d2ef7d$9480dfb0$bd829f10$@erols.com>
Message-ID: <69966A89-0496-487B-AEC5-3DE6EF548FC3@gmail.com>

The most likely situation is that you disconnect it for some reason (replacing the starter when the cable goes to one of the bolts that hold it, etc.) and then forget to hook it up. Or, in an older vehicle, corrosion where the wire meets the lug.

Vic 4X6GP 

> On 27 Jun 2017, at 22:42, Charlie T, K3ICH <pincon at erols.com> wrote:
> 
> I have to ask, has ANYONE ever heard of a circumstance where the negative
> return lead from the battery to the engine block has ever failed, short of a
> battlefield situation?
> Still, probably a good idea to fuse the negative to radio wire anyway.
> 
> Charlie k3ICH
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net
> [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Vic Rosenthal
> Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2017 11:52 AM
> To: Clay Autery <KY5G at montac.com>
> Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: 2017 Chevy Silverado 1500 power outlets
> 
> I don't think math or difficult physics is needed. Suppose you connect the
> radio directly to battery, and then suppose the battery to ground cable
> becomes partially or completely disconnected. Finally, suppose you then try
> to start the engine. When the starter solenoid closes, some of the high
> current from the battery negative terminal flows through the negative lead
> to the radio, and then to ground through the radio's mounting bracket, the
> coax to the antenna, etc. The no. 10 ground wire might have to carry several
> hundred amps! Lots of things can be damaged.
> This is why negative leads should be fused, at least.
> 
> Vic 4X6GP 
> 
>> On 27 Jun 2017, at 18:21, Clay Autery <KY5G at montac.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Horse puckey!  I DEFY you to prove the physics OR math of that 
>> ridiculous statement.
>> 
>> ______________________
>> Clay Autery, KY5G
>> 
>>> On 6/27/2017 9:55 AM, donovanf at starpower.net wrote:
>>> WARNING! 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> For extremely important safety and fire prevention reasons reasons, 
>>> no accessory should ever be connected directly to the negative 
>>> terminal of an automotive battery . Just like when charging an 
>>> automotive battery, the negative lead of a cable running directly to 
>>> the battery should always connect to the engine block and never 
>>> directly to the battery.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> The positive lead must be fused where it connects to the battery. 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> There's an excellent discussion here: 
>>> 
>>> https://www.w8ji.com/negative_lead_to_battery.htm
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 73
>>> Frank
>>> W3LPL
>>> 
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From w0agmike at gmail.com  Tue Jun 27 18:32:01 2017
From: w0agmike at gmail.com (Mike Murray)
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2017 17:32:01 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] "Hot" setup for Field Day with op headset,
 logger headphones, and speakers
In-Reply-To: <470886427.3904360.1498593911627@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <470886427.3904360.1498593911627.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<470886427.3904360.1498593911627@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CAP7zeE+MBmp_U3ovdfnK0FJNBnjuC5PGYWbU7EHgV9tYwBy=Ag@mail.gmail.com>

Steve,

How about using the phone jack on front panel for one, back panel for
another and then set "SPKR+PH"  to yes if you want the gallery to hear?

Mike W0AG

On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 3:05 PM, Steve Wilson via Elecraft <
elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:

> Hi all,
> With Field Day behind us, and since our club runs mostly K3's, I thought
> I'd ask if anyone had suggestions for the best way to configure the K3, use
> adapters, audio distribution box of some sort, etc., to allow for a headset
> for the operator, headphones for the logger, and speakers for the "gallery"
> to hear.
> Thanks, Steve  KO6L
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From peter.wollan at gmail.com  Tue Jun 27 18:40:56 2017
From: peter.wollan at gmail.com (Peter Wollan)
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2017 17:40:56 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] "Hot" setup for Field Day with op headset,
 logger headphones, and speakers
In-Reply-To: <CAP7zeE+MBmp_U3ovdfnK0FJNBnjuC5PGYWbU7EHgV9tYwBy=Ag@mail.gmail.com>
References: <470886427.3904360.1498593911627.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<470886427.3904360.1498593911627@mail.yahoo.com>
	<CAP7zeE+MBmp_U3ovdfnK0FJNBnjuC5PGYWbU7EHgV9tYwBy=Ag@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAAKQEF8y_6kcZ0fAfo8r19am7cTOVg06833wnA6PbVfetiOPuw@mail.gmail.com>

Several years ago I got a little box that takes an audio input and has four
sockets for headphones, each with its own volume control -- needs 12v
power.  I think it's not available now, but Amazon has 5-way splitters for
cheap, not powered, and no volume control.  Look for "headphone splitter".

   Peter W0LLN

On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 5:32 PM, Mike Murray <w0agmike at gmail.com> wrote:

> Steve,
>
> How about using the phone jack on front panel for one, back panel for
> another and then set "SPKR+PH"  to yes if you want the gallery to hear?
>
> Mike W0AG
>
> On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 3:05 PM, Steve Wilson via Elecraft <
> elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
>
> > Hi all,
> > With Field Day behind us, and since our club runs mostly K3's, I thought
> > I'd ask if anyone had suggestions for the best way to configure the K3,
> use
> > adapters, audio distribution box of some sort, etc., to allow for a
> headset
> > for the operator, headphones for the logger, and speakers for the
> "gallery"
> > to hear.
> > Thanks, Steve  KO6L
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From g4gnx at g4gnx.com  Tue Jun 27 18:45:20 2017
From: g4gnx at g4gnx.com (G4GNX)
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2017 23:45:20 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] "Hot" setup for Field Day with op headset,
	logger headphones, and speakers
In-Reply-To: <CAAKQEF8y_6kcZ0fAfo8r19am7cTOVg06833wnA6PbVfetiOPuw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <470886427.3904360.1498593911627.ref@mail.yahoo.com><470886427.3904360.1498593911627@mail.yahoo.com><CAP7zeE+MBmp_U3ovdfnK0FJNBnjuC5PGYWbU7EHgV9tYwBy=Ag@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAAKQEF8y_6kcZ0fAfo8r19am7cTOVg06833wnA6PbVfetiOPuw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F92CA9468FFA44FA9C347B9138FFC56D@G4GNXLaptop>

Google - Behringer HA400 Microamp 4 Channel Stereo Headphone Amplifier

73,

Alan. G4GNX

-----Original Message----- 
From: Peter Wollan
Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2017 11:40 PM
To: w0agMike at gmail.com
Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net ; Steve Wilson
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] "Hot" setup for Field Day with op headset, logger 
headphones, and speakers

Several years ago I got a little box that takes an audio input and has four
sockets for headphones, each with its own volume control -- needs 12v
power.  I think it's not available now, but Amazon has 5-way splitters for
cheap, not powered, and no volume control.  Look for "headphone splitter".

   Peter W0LLN


From nr4c at widomaker.com  Tue Jun 27 19:03:05 2017
From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c)
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2017 19:03:05 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] "Hot" setup for Field Day with op headset,
	logger headphones, and speakers
In-Reply-To: <CAP7zeE+MBmp_U3ovdfnK0FJNBnjuC5PGYWbU7EHgV9tYwBy=Ag@mail.gmail.com>
References: <470886427.3904360.1498593911627.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<470886427.3904360.1498593911627@mail.yahoo.com>
	<CAP7zeE+MBmp_U3ovdfnK0FJNBnjuC5PGYWbU7EHgV9tYwBy=Ag@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <DCC0B02F-520B-4ABA-B998-23CADD4A1A1E@widomaker.com>

The Williamsburg Area ARC (K4RC) has been doing this for the last 8 years. Works great. We find it easier to turn off Speaker if it gets too chaotic as it can with SSB & CW station back to back in a picnic shelter. Add a VHF on table next to CW and a GOTA not far away it gets real crazy!

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill


> On Jun 27, 2017, at 6:32 PM, Mike Murray <w0agmike at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Steve,
> 
> How about using the phone jack on front panel for one, back panel for
> another and then set "SPKR+PH"  to yes if you want the gallery to hear?
> 
> Mike W0AG
> 
> On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 3:05 PM, Steve Wilson via Elecraft <
> elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
> 
>> Hi all,
>> With Field Day behind us, and since our club runs mostly K3's, I thought
>> I'd ask if anyone had suggestions for the best way to configure the K3, use
>> adapters, audio distribution box of some sort, etc., to allow for a headset
>> for the operator, headphones for the logger, and speakers for the "gallery"
>> to hear.
>> Thanks, Steve  KO6L
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From w8fgqrp2 at gmail.com  Tue Jun 27 19:10:33 2017
From: w8fgqrp2 at gmail.com (Seth Lavinder)
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2017 19:10:33 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: Kxusb
References: <7AAD5F72-59C2-41BE-B848-EA248C849F9F@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5B78B293-02FD-4A20-9A95-EA88586D0494@gmail.com>



Sent from my iPad

Begin forwarded message:

> From: Seth Lavinder <w8fgqrp2 at gmail.com>
> Date: June 27, 2017 at 7:01:37 PM EDT
> To: KX3 at yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Kxusb
> 
> 
> Is there a chance one of the dozen programming cables I have laying around is same thing electrically as a KXUSB? 
> 
> I cannot find mine at the moment no matter where I look.  I know I own two of them, but I need one now in a bad way. 
> 
> Advice please?  
> 
> Thank You, 
> 
> 73 de Seth - W8FG 
> 
> Sent from my iPad

From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Tue Jun 27 19:10:56 2017
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2017 19:10:56 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] "Hot" setup for Field Day with op headset,
 logger headphones, and speakers
In-Reply-To: <CAP7zeE+MBmp_U3ovdfnK0FJNBnjuC5PGYWbU7EHgV9tYwBy=Ag@mail.gmail.com>
References: <470886427.3904360.1498593911627.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<470886427.3904360.1498593911627@mail.yahoo.com>
	<CAP7zeE+MBmp_U3ovdfnK0FJNBnjuC5PGYWbU7EHgV9tYwBy=Ag@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <68bae17d-5d89-8fe9-b387-5be5d68a089f@embarqmail.com>

If you use the MONitor for assistance for those using headphones, the 
use of SPKR+PHONES will cause feedback from the speaker to microphone.
So, that is quite usable for CW and digital modes, but not good for SSB.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 6/27/2017 6:32 PM, Mike Murray wrote:
> Steve,
> 
> How about using the phone jack on front panel for one, back panel for
> another and then set "SPKR+PH"  to yes if you want the gallery to hear?
> 

From wunder at wunderwood.org  Tue Jun 27 19:28:05 2017
From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood)
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2017 16:28:05 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] "Hot" setup for Field Day with op headset,
 logger headphones, and speakers
In-Reply-To: <F92CA9468FFA44FA9C347B9138FFC56D@G4GNXLaptop>
References: <470886427.3904360.1498593911627.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<470886427.3904360.1498593911627@mail.yahoo.com>
	<CAP7zeE+MBmp_U3ovdfnK0FJNBnjuC5PGYWbU7EHgV9tYwBy=Ag@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAAKQEF8y_6kcZ0fAfo8r19am7cTOVg06833wnA6PbVfetiOPuw@mail.gmail.com>
	<F92CA9468FFA44FA9C347B9138FFC56D@G4GNXLaptop>
Message-ID: <CE19BE6A-5FF4-4F85-88D3-884117FA8EAC@wunderwood.org>

Folks, this exact suggestion was discussed on June 20th on this list.

wunder
K6WRU
Walter Underwood
CM87wj
http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog)

> On Jun 27, 2017, at 3:45 PM, G4GNX <g4gnx at g4gnx.com> wrote:
> 
> Google - Behringer HA400 Microamp 4 Channel Stereo Headphone Amplifier
> 
> 73,
> 
> Alan. G4GNX
> 
> -----Original Message----- From: Peter Wollan
> Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2017 11:40 PM
> To: w0agMike at gmail.com
> Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net ; Steve Wilson
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] "Hot" setup for Field Day with op headset, logger headphones, and speakers
> 
> Several years ago I got a little box that takes an audio input and has four
> sockets for headphones, each with its own volume control -- needs 12v
> power.  I think it's not available now, but Amazon has 5-way splitters for
> cheap, not powered, and no volume control.  Look for "headphone splitter".
> 
>  Peter W0LLN
> 
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From k6dgw at foothill.net  Tue Jun 27 19:51:55 2017
From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen)
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2017 16:51:55 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: Kxusb
In-Reply-To: <5B78B293-02FD-4A20-9A95-EA88586D0494@gmail.com>
References: <7AAD5F72-59C2-41BE-B848-EA248C849F9F@gmail.com>
	<5B78B293-02FD-4A20-9A95-EA88586D0494@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f643d176-146d-0a8b-33c3-3e15cdcf5681@foothill.net>

The last KUSB I got from Elecraft had the transparent outer jacket ... 
you can see the shield braid through it.  I think they all havebeen that 
way. They are all FTDI chipsets.  If you're proficient with Windoze, you 
can plug it it, go to Device Mangler, find the Port, and check its 
properties.  I haven't done it in quite awhile and I don't remember the 
exact route, but somewhere in the "drivers-ish section(s)," it will [or 
did] tell you.

Prolific chipsets have also worked for me until Win10.  KeySpan's [which 
may really be Prolific's] don't work either.

73,

Fred ("Skip") K6DGW
Sparks NV USA
Washoe County DM09dn

On 6/27/2017 4:10 PM, Seth Lavinder wrote:
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
>> From: Seth Lavinder <w8fgqrp2 at gmail.com>
>> Date: June 27, 2017 at 7:01:37 PM EDT
>> To: KX3 at yahoogroups.com
>> Subject: Kxusb
>>
>>
>> Is there a chance one of the dozen programming cables I have laying around is same thing electrically as a KXUSB?
>>
>> I cannot find mine at the moment no matter where I look.  I know I own two of them, but I need one now in a bad way.
>>
>> Advice please?
>>
>> Thank You,
>>
>> 73 de Seth - W8FG
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
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From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Tue Jun 27 20:11:15 2017
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2017 20:11:15 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: Kxusb
In-Reply-To: <5B78B293-02FD-4A20-9A95-EA88586D0494@gmail.com>
References: <7AAD5F72-59C2-41BE-B848-EA248C849F9F@gmail.com>
	<5B78B293-02FD-4A20-9A95-EA88586D0494@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <44ee4b03-00c5-e264-ed8d-36921d06ccf2@embarqmail.com>

Seth,

I see you have been getting answers about the KUSB which is a USB to 
serial adapter with a DB9 serial port output.

However, you were asking about a KXUSB which is a "different animal". 
Yes, it has the FTDI chipset and converts the USB to RS-232, but only 
the RXD, TXD and signal ground are used - those are fed to the 1/8 inch 
stereo plug.

If you have some USB to serial adapters (FTDI chipset preferred) , you 
can construct a DB9 to 1/8 inch cable to mate with a serial port or the 
serial connector of a USB to serial adapter.
The schematic for the connections can be found in the XG3 Signal 
Generator manual.  Download the manual and look at page 30.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 6/27/2017 7:10 PM, Seth Lavinder wrote:
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> Begin forwarded message:
> 
>> From: Seth Lavinder <w8fgqrp2 at gmail.com>
>> Date: June 27, 2017 at 7:01:37 PM EDT
>> To: KX3 at yahoogroups.com
>> Subject: Kxusb
>>
>>
>> Is there a chance one of the dozen programming cables I have laying around is same thing electrically as a KXUSB?
>>
>> I cannot find mine at the moment no matter where I look.  I know I own two of them, but I need one now in a bad way.
>>

From m.matthew.george at gmail.com  Wed Jun 28 00:07:35 2017
From: m.matthew.george at gmail.com (M. George)
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2017 22:07:35 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: PI Zero W Desktop Clock Project / Video / For the
	Time Obsessed Ham
Message-ID: <CAFYRpHtW=8KLdVY7kULhTQNntKq27CYLj6DfoL0H+4Fk0vQVOQ@mail.gmail.com>

I just finished a fun project that can be found on hackaday.io by Nick
Sayer.  This is for the time obsessed / time nut Ham.  Below is a link to a
couple of one take videos <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cAXFDt3PBJg> I
made of the clock.  It's a nice piece of eye candy in the shack for the
truly 'time obsessed ham' (eye rolling is appropriate!).  In conjunction
with your NTP synchronized PC, you can sleep at night knowing you are
transmitting and listening to the JT modes at the right time. ;) (as you
take a nap between TX and RX)

YouTube Video <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cAXFDt3PBJg>:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cAXFDt3PBJg

Pictures
<http://www.nc7j.com/pa/main.php?cmd=album&var1=NG7M%2FRaspberry+PI%2FPI+Zero+W%2FDesktop+NTP+Clock>
:
http://www.nc7j.com/pa/main.php?cmd=album&var1=NG7M%2FRaspberry+PI%2FPI+Zero+W%2FDesktop+NTP+Clock

I have no connection to the creator of the project, Nick Sayer on
hackaday.io
<https://hackaday.io/project/20156-raspberry-pi-zero-w-desk-clock>, but I
suspect he might get a few more looks at this project now:
https://hackaday.io/project/20156-raspberry-pi-zero-w-desk-clock

Enjoy, Max NG7M

-- 
M. George

From w0agmike at gmail.com  Wed Jun 28 11:58:02 2017
From: w0agmike at gmail.com (Mike Murray)
Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2017 10:58:02 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - Intermittents serial disconnect problem
Message-ID: <CAP7zeE+MrtMGmgETmU9Hp2=Lcc66Owmkf0fRMWkSgpwxDCe=aQ@mail.gmail.com>

I've been experiencing a strange problem with my K3 and have been
unsuccessful in isolating the cause.  At times it just loses the serial
connection to the PC and the K3 must be power cycled to restart the
connection.  It happens both during active contest logging as well as when
sitting idle - the connection just stops.  I've tried several logging
applications with the same results.

At first I thought it might be related to the PigKnob I have between the
serial port and K3, but running the serial cable direct resulted in the
same problem.  I've also seen the problem using a different PC with an
Elecraft serial to USB cable for the connection.

Indications are that a problem might exist in the K3, but I can't envision
why it would work flawlessly for some random period and then fail.  Any
ideas for further troubleshooting? I've entertained updating to the KIO3BUPKT
KIO3B Upgrade Kit,
but don't know that the extra expense would be worth a try.

73,
Mike - W0AG

From dick at elecraft.com  Wed Jun 28 12:37:12 2017
From: dick at elecraft.com (Dick Dievendorff)
Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2017 09:37:12 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - Intermittents serial disconnect problem
In-Reply-To: <CAP7zeE+MrtMGmgETmU9Hp2=Lcc66Owmkf0fRMWkSgpwxDCe=aQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAP7zeE+MrtMGmgETmU9Hp2=Lcc66Owmkf0fRMWkSgpwxDCe=aQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000201d2f02c$cbbf8800$633e9800$@elecraft.com>

Sometimes PC USB devices can go to sleep based on lack of activity.  The
detail may vary by operating system version, but my Control Panel applet
"Power Settings", Power options, advanced settings, USB settings, USB
selective suspend setting.  I've disabled USB suspend.  

I don't know that this is the problem you're having, but it's one
possibility.

73 de Dick, K6KR


-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net
[mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Mike Murray
Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2017 08:58
To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - Intermittents serial disconnect problem

I've been experiencing a strange problem with my K3 and have been
unsuccessful in isolating the cause.  At times it just loses the serial
connection to the PC and the K3 must be power cycled to restart the
connection.  It happens both during active contest logging as well as when
sitting idle - the connection just stops.  I've tried several logging
applications with the same results.

At first I thought it might be related to the PigKnob I have between the
serial port and K3, but running the serial cable direct resulted in the same
problem.  I've also seen the problem using a different PC with an Elecraft
serial to USB cable for the connection.

Indications are that a problem might exist in the K3, but I can't envision
why it would work flawlessly for some random period and then fail.  Any
ideas for further troubleshooting? I've entertained updating to the
KIO3BUPKT KIO3B Upgrade Kit, but don't know that the extra expense would be
worth a try.

73,
Mike - W0AG
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From wa6nhc at gmail.com  Wed Jun 28 12:38:02 2017
From: wa6nhc at gmail.com (Rick WA6NHC)
Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2017 09:38:02 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - Intermittents serial disconnect problem
In-Reply-To: <CAP7zeE+MrtMGmgETmU9Hp2=Lcc66Owmkf0fRMWkSgpwxDCe=aQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAP7zeE+MrtMGmgETmU9Hp2=Lcc66Owmkf0fRMWkSgpwxDCe=aQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a79be9e4-0f63-4bad-81d5-aeb4ca364bb1@gmail.com>

If you're using anything USB related (serial converter) start with: in 
Device Manager, make sure that for EACH USB setting, under the power 
management tab, that the ability to power down is NOT enabled.

The port could be going into 'sleep' mode to save energy.

Have you tried it with different software controls?  The update rate for 
some software can push the limits of the serial data rate (or the CPU of 
the K3).

Rick nhc/7


On 6/28/2017 8:58 AM, Mike Murray wrote:
> I've been experiencing a strange problem with my K3 and have been
> unsuccessful in isolating the cause.  At times it just loses the serial
> connection to the PC and the K3 must be power cycled to restart the
> connection.  It happens both during active contest logging as well as when
> sitting idle - the connection just stops.  I've tried several logging
> applications with the same results.
>
> At first I thought it might be related to the PigKnob I have between the
> serial port and K3, but running the serial cable direct resulted in the
> same problem.  I've also seen the problem using a different PC with an
> Elecraft serial to USB cable for the connection.
>
> Indications are that a problem might exist in the K3, but I can't envision
> why it would work flawlessly for some random period and then fail.  Any
> ideas for further troubleshooting? I've entertained updating to the KIO3BUPKT
> KIO3B Upgrade Kit,
> but don't know that the extra expense would be worth a try.
>
> 73,
> Mike - W0AG
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From ac5p at sbcglobal.net  Wed Jun 28 12:42:21 2017
From: ac5p at sbcglobal.net (Mike Maloney)
Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2017 16:42:21 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] OT:  Inverter type generators used for FD?
References: <279010222.547256.1498668141334.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <279010222.547256.1498668141334@mail.yahoo.com>

 Curious if anyone used 2000W inverter type generator?for portable FD operation?? What brand machine and what experience with RF?noise encountered?Did anyone use Champion or Predator brand inverter generators???? Reply direct is fine.Mike? AC5P? 

From w0agmike at gmail.com  Wed Jun 28 12:46:14 2017
From: w0agmike at gmail.com (Mike Murray)
Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2017 11:46:14 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - Intermittents serial disconnect problem
In-Reply-To: <000201d2f02c$cbbf8800$633e9800$@elecraft.com>
References: <CAP7zeE+MrtMGmgETmU9Hp2=Lcc66Owmkf0fRMWkSgpwxDCe=aQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<000201d2f02c$cbbf8800$633e9800$@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <CAP7zeELnbAu0fWz6N8J7muOAD5Z9=hjeJjEs45TEsk-OSkaP+w@mail.gmail.com>

Dick,

Thanks for the suggestion!  I've checked mine and it's set to disabled like
yours.

On to the other suggestions!
73, Mike

On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 11:37 AM, Dick Dievendorff <dick at elecraft.com>
wrote:

> Sometimes PC USB devices can go to sleep based on lack of activity.  The
> detail may vary by operating system version, but my Control Panel applet
> "Power Settings", Power options, advanced settings, USB settings, USB
> selective suspend setting.  I've disabled USB suspend.
>
> I don't know that this is the problem you're having, but it's one
> possibility.
>
> 73 de Dick, K6KR
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net
> [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Mike Murray
> Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2017 08:58
> To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - Intermittents serial disconnect problem
>
> I've been experiencing a strange problem with my K3 and have been
> unsuccessful in isolating the cause.  At times it just loses the serial
> connection to the PC and the K3 must be power cycled to restart the
> connection.  It happens both during active contest logging as well as when
> sitting idle - the connection just stops.  I've tried several logging
> applications with the same results.
>
> At first I thought it might be related to the PigKnob I have between the
> serial port and K3, but running the serial cable direct resulted in the
> same
> problem.  I've also seen the problem using a different PC with an Elecraft
> serial to USB cable for the connection.
>
> Indications are that a problem might exist in the K3, but I can't envision
> why it would work flawlessly for some random period and then fail.  Any
> ideas for further troubleshooting? I've entertained updating to the
> KIO3BUPKT KIO3B Upgrade Kit, but don't know that the extra expense would be
> worth a try.
>
> 73,
> Mike - W0AG
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From w0agmike at gmail.com  Wed Jun 28 12:57:26 2017
From: w0agmike at gmail.com (Mike Murray)
Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2017 11:57:26 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - Intermittents serial disconnect problem
In-Reply-To: <a79be9e4-0f63-4bad-81d5-aeb4ca364bb1@gmail.com>
References: <CAP7zeE+MrtMGmgETmU9Hp2=Lcc66Owmkf0fRMWkSgpwxDCe=aQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<a79be9e4-0f63-4bad-81d5-aeb4ca364bb1@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAP7zeEJBHYANr18OBE7gcFtFMFs6QwuBa0hGr6=9mjnj-59=vA@mail.gmail.com>

Rick,

Thanks - I've checked all and the only one that is enabled is my USB 3.0
port for external backup.

73, Mike

On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 11:38 AM, Rick WA6NHC <wa6nhc at gmail.com> wrote:

> If you're using anything USB related (serial converter) start with: in
> Device Manager, make sure that for EACH USB setting, under the power
> management tab, that the ability to power down is NOT enabled.
>
> The port could be going into 'sleep' mode to save energy.
>
> Have you tried it with different software controls?  The update rate for
> some software can push the limits of the serial data rate (or the CPU of
> the K3).
>
> Rick nhc/7
>
>
>
> On 6/28/2017 8:58 AM, Mike Murray wrote:
>
>> I've been experiencing a strange problem with my K3 and have been
>> unsuccessful in isolating the cause.  At times it just loses the serial
>> connection to the PC and the K3 must be power cycled to restart the
>> connection.  It happens both during active contest logging as well as when
>> sitting idle - the connection just stops.  I've tried several logging
>> applications with the same results.
>>
>> At first I thought it might be related to the PigKnob I have between the
>> serial port and K3, but running the serial cable direct resulted in the
>> same problem.  I've also seen the problem using a different PC with an
>> Elecraft serial to USB cable for the connection.
>>
>> Indications are that a problem might exist in the K3, but I can't envision
>> why it would work flawlessly for some random period and then fail.  Any
>> ideas for further troubleshooting? I've entertained updating to the
>> KIO3BUPKT
>> KIO3B Upgrade Kit,
>> but don't know that the extra expense would be worth a try.
>>
>> 73,
>> Mike - W0AG
>> ______________________________________________________________
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From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Wed Jun 28 13:05:26 2017
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2017 10:05:26 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Inverter type generators used for FD?
In-Reply-To: <279010222.547256.1498668141334@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <279010222.547256.1498668141334.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<279010222.547256.1498668141334@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <edc04277-eeb1-4710-b499-19ad0d257dfd@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On Wed,6/28/2017 9:42 AM, Mike Maloney wrote:
>   Curious if anyone used 2000W inverter type generator for portable FD operation?  What brand machine and what experience with RF noise encountered?Did anyone use Champion or Predator brand inverter generators?

For many years, we've used the Honda 2000i generators for FD, 7QP, and 
CQP expeditions. A single 2000i will run a couple of 100W stations with 
station accessories in Economode. We also run a K3/P3/KPA500/KAT500 
station on a single 2000i in Economode. They are very reliable, but they 
do make some RF noise that you'll hear if the generator is close to 
antennas.  A serious common mode choke right at the generator solves 
that problem.  The link below includes a photo of one that we use.

http://nccc.cc/pdf/CQP-RFI2013-2.pdf

Our club did a couple of group purchases of these generators several 
years ago and got a very good price. Don't remember who the vendor was. 
There's a vendor that advertises in QST.

73, Jim K9YC




>     Reply direct is fine.


From tomb18 at videotron.ca  Wed Jun 28 13:09:50 2017
From: tomb18 at videotron.ca (Tom)
Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2017 13:09:50 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - Intermittents serial disconnect problem
In-Reply-To: <QG8xdE4oJImXYQG8ydwLfQ@videotron.ca>
References: <CAP7zeE+MrtMGmgETmU9Hp2=Lcc66Owmkf0fRMWkSgpwxDCe=aQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<000201d2f02c$cbbf8800$633e9800$@elecraft.com>
	<QG8xdE4oJImXYQG8ydwLfQ@videotron.ca>
Message-ID: <33F1055FB05549CCA30F5AB0CBA482E3@DESKTOPAV61F2H>

As Dick mentioned this is the most likely reason.  There is another power 
management setting that should be checked and disabled as well.  Open the 
device manager, and expand Universal Serial Bus Controllers.  In there there 
will entries such as Generic USB  Hub, USB Root Hub and each of these will 
also have power management settings.  It is best to disable power management 
there as well.
73 Tom

va2fsq.com

-----Original Message----- 
From: Mike Murray
Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2017 12:46 PM
To: Dick Dievendorff ; elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 - Intermittents serial disconnect problem

Dick,

Thanks for the suggestion!  I've checked mine and it's set to disabled like
yours.

On to the other suggestions!
73, Mike

On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 11:37 AM, Dick Dievendorff <dick at elecraft.com>
wrote:

> Sometimes PC USB devices can go to sleep based on lack of activity.  The
> detail may vary by operating system version, but my Control Panel applet
> "Power Settings", Power options, advanced settings, USB settings, USB
> selective suspend setting.  I've disabled USB suspend.
>
> I don't know that this is the problem you're having, but it's one
> possibility.
>
> 73 de Dick, K6KR
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net
> [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Mike Murray
> Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2017 08:58
> To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - Intermittents serial disconnect problem
>
> I've been experiencing a strange problem with my K3 and have been
> unsuccessful in isolating the cause.  At times it just loses the serial
> connection to the PC and the K3 must be power cycled to restart the
> connection.  It happens both during active contest logging as well as when
> sitting idle - the connection just stops.  I've tried several logging
> applications with the same results.
>
> At first I thought it might be related to the PigKnob I have between the
> serial port and K3, but running the serial cable direct resulted in the
> same
> problem.  I've also seen the problem using a different PC with an Elecraft
> serial to USB cable for the connection.
>
> Indications are that a problem might exist in the K3, but I can't envision
> why it would work flawlessly for some random period and then fail.  Any
> ideas for further troubleshooting? I've entertained updating to the
> KIO3BUPKT KIO3B Upgrade Kit, but don't know that the extra expense would 
> be
> worth a try.
>
> 73,
> Mike - W0AG
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From ku7t at ku7t.org  Wed Jun 28 14:11:20 2017
From: ku7t at ku7t.org (Andy KU7T)
Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2017 18:11:20 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] K3/100 for sale
Message-ID: <DM5PR15MB151548AAE2469F1A5390C990AEDD0@DM5PR15MB1515.namprd15.prod.outlook.com>

First owner. Owned for 2+ years, used for about 3000 QSOs, non-smoker, not a single issue. The rig never left my air-conditioned shack. Working great. Includes: K3 (S/N 8053), KFL3A-2.7K (2.7kHz 5 pole filter), KPA3 (K3 100W PA), KFL3A-400 (K3 400Hz 8 pole CW filter), KUSB (K3 USB to serial cable). If you have resonant antennas, you do not need anything else! I am also adding the K3 bible, KE7X's "The Elecraft K3" book. Total price: $1,699

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73
Andy
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From G0ORH at sky.com  Wed Jun 28 14:43:06 2017
From: G0ORH at sky.com (Ken Chandler)
Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2017 19:43:06 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] OT:  Inverter type generators used for FD?
In-Reply-To: <279010222.547256.1498668141334@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <279010222.547256.1498668141334.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<279010222.547256.1498668141334@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CAF1673D-7C97-4D83-AFDD-4210532791BE@sky.com>

FWIW
In UK, Honda 2k here, used for FD, iota, etc, etc, NO ISSUES WHATSOEVER.


Ken.. G0ORH

Sent from my iPad


> On 28 Jun 2017, at 17:42, Mike Maloney <ac5p at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> 
> Curious if anyone used 2000W inverter type generator for portable FD operation?  What brand machine and what experience with RF noise encountered?Did anyone use Champion or Predator brand inverter generators?    Reply direct is fine.Mike  AC5P  
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From todd at ruby-wine.com  Wed Jun 28 15:38:22 2017
From: todd at ruby-wine.com (todd ruby)
Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2017 15:38:22 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Speaker audio
Message-ID: <3985038B-8A4C-4F11-AB2B-310A297E47C0@ruby-wine.com>

Hello
I just unpacked my K3 after FD and I am not hearing any audio from the built in speaker although I am hearing fine with headphones. This must be something simple. Can anyone help me out?

thanks 

todd
WB2ZAB

From terje at elde.net  Wed Jun 28 17:28:57 2017
From: terje at elde.net (Terje Elde)
Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2017 23:28:57 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 - Switching power source while operating
Message-ID: <B1B76242-68A6-490E-A0C7-9C1F80B64185@elde.net>

Hi,

I?m wondering if anything is known about how much of an intermittent loss of power a KX3 will more or less not notice, during full use (transmit at 15W), and during receive?

Asking because I?m considering some power solutions, and wondering if it could be useful to switch between multiple battery packs in an automated way.  For that, it?d be useful to have some design targets.  I?m assuming a loss of power for 1ns would be a non-issue, and I?m assuming 10 seconds would be a huge problem, but wondering if there are any definitive lines somewhere between those extremes?

Terje


From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Wed Jun 28 17:42:36 2017
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2017 17:42:36 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 - Switching power source while operating
In-Reply-To: <B1B76242-68A6-490E-A0C7-9C1F80B64185@elde.net>
References: <B1B76242-68A6-490E-A0C7-9C1F80B64185@elde.net>
Message-ID: <4b12f421-de6c-6931-ea89-0b73f46a7dcf@embarqmail.com>

Terje,

A loss of power will not allow the KX3 to power down gracefully, so some 
information such as what frequency, mode, and other data may be lost.
To insure a seamless transfer between batteries, you may want to design 
your controls so that two battery packs are in parallel for a short time 
rather than creating a gap in the power source to the KX3.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 6/28/2017 5:28 PM, Terje Elde wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I?m wondering if anything is known about how much of an intermittent loss of power a KX3 will more or less not notice, during full use (transmit at 15W), and during receive?
> 
> Asking because I?m considering some power solutions, and wondering if it could be useful to switch between multiple battery packs in an automated way.  For that, it?d be useful to have some design targets.  I?m assuming a loss of power for 1ns would be a non-issue, and I?m assuming 10 seconds would be a huge problem, but wondering if there are any definitive lines somewhere between those extremes?

From terje at elde.net  Wed Jun 28 18:06:01 2017
From: terje at elde.net (Terje Elde)
Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2017 00:06:01 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 - Switching power source while operating
In-Reply-To: <CAD4CdTMhHmPjp4HpXx4vOuyDWm9jpNBVha+UkCmFaxAJQ8NrBw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <B1B76242-68A6-490E-A0C7-9C1F80B64185@elde.net>
	<4b12f421-de6c-6931-ea89-0b73f46a7dcf@embarqmail.com>
	<CAD4CdTMhHmPjp4HpXx4vOuyDWm9jpNBVha+UkCmFaxAJQ8NrBw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F6C94087-EAFB-4821-8ACB-9EDC4B2BF82E@elde.net>


> On 28 Jun 2017, at 23:51, Ken G Kopp <kengkopp at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Wonder if a high capacity electrolytic capacitor would hide the effect of the "power bump"?

If the bump is short enough, and the caps are big enough, then I don't see why not. From the perspective of the KX3, there shouldn't really be much difference with the bump then. 

Mostly just wondering if anything is known about the KX3s tolerance alone.

I suppose the safer way would be to ignore that, and just consider the duration directly against the caps, and keep the voltage sag above KX3s lower tolerance. 

Thanks,
Terje

From k6dgw at foothill.net  Wed Jun 28 18:12:43 2017
From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen)
Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2017 15:12:43 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Speaker audio
In-Reply-To: <3985038B-8A4C-4F11-AB2B-310A297E47C0@ruby-wine.com>
References: <3985038B-8A4C-4F11-AB2B-310A297E47C0@ruby-wine.com>
Message-ID: <ff8f65e4-4c3f-6c89-26a8-1e29b00096f9@foothill.net>

CONFIG-->SPKRS-->2?

73,

Fred ("Skip") K6DGW
Sparks NV USA
Washoe County DM09dn

On 6/28/2017 12:38 PM, todd ruby wrote:
> Hello
> I just unpacked my K3 after FD and I am not hearing any audio from the built in speaker although I am hearing fine with headphones. This must be something simple. Can anyone help me out?
>
> thanks
>
> todd
> WB2ZAB
>


From ghyoungman at gmail.com  Wed Jun 28 20:06:07 2017
From: ghyoungman at gmail.com (GRANT YOUNGMAN)
Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2017 20:06:07 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 - Switching power source while operating
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References: <B1B76242-68A6-490E-A0C7-9C1F80B64185@elde.net>
	<4b12f421-de6c-6931-ea89-0b73f46a7dcf@embarqmail.com>
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Seems to me the most straightforward approach would be to put a set of batteries in the KX3.  Then you can drop and restart external power without worrying about the time delay.  The radio won?t care.  Only thing you might have to do is adjust output power if you were operating above the internal battery default ? 


> On Jun 28, 2017, at 6:06 PM, Terje Elde <terje at elde.net> wrote:
> 
> 
>> On 28 Jun 2017, at 23:51, Ken G Kopp <kengkopp at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Wonder if a high capacity electrolytic capacitor would hide the effect of the "power bump"?
> 
> If the bump is short enough, and the caps are big enough, then I don't see why not. From the perspective of the KX3, there shouldn't really be much difference with the bump then. 
> 
> Mostly just wondering if anything is known about the KX3s tolerance alone.
> 
> I suppose the safer way would be to ignore that, and just consider the duration directly against the caps, and keep the voltage sag above KX3s lower tolerance. 
> 

Grant NQ5T
K3 #2091, KX3 #8342




From rv6amark at yahoo.com  Wed Jun 28 20:36:15 2017
From: rv6amark at yahoo.com (Mark Petiford)
Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2017 00:36:15 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 - Switching power source while operating
References: <950253733.828483.1498696575196.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <950253733.828483.1498696575196@mail.yahoo.com>



Grant,

RE:? "Seems to me the most straightforward approach would be to put a set of batteries in the KX3.? Then you can drop and restart external power without worrying about the time delay."

That was exactly my first thought as well.? It certainly works fine on receive and it solves the "improper shutdown forgetfulness" problem, but i'm not sure I want to pull out the power cord during transmit to see what happens.? I just don't know enough about the power control feedback loop to know how it would react to a sudden change in voltage.


Anyone want to put their KX3 into transmit and then pull out the power cable to see what happens?? Oh yea, then put it back in and see what happens.? Voltage transients like this are a very important part of aircraft electronics since bus switching and even EMP events induce such transients, but I would doubt if that was a design requirement for the KX3.? It is likely, however, that it has been tested inadvertently by now ;-)


Mark
KE6BB


From kc6cnn at gmail.com  Wed Jun 28 23:33:00 2017
From: kc6cnn at gmail.com (KC6CNN)
Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2017 20:33:00 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] advice please
Message-ID: <1498707180773-7632164.post@n2.nabble.com>

I have been trouble shooting a problem that arose in the shack. 
The problem is that while in a qso my kat500 will start rising in SWR's. 
I decided to check the system out by hooking a dummy load to the coax
connector at the tower. 
The K Line performs as expected. SWR are 1:1 and it sits there during key
down never changing. 
So I hooked up the antenna again and tried it. After the tune the SWR is
1:1. If I sit there with it keyed for a little bit, I start seeing the swr
rise and it faults. 
Something is breaking down. 
I have a Ultimax End feed no tuner needed antenna. It is basically a 9:1 UN
UN connected to a 133' of wire. The shielded end is on the UN UN is
connected to a 8 foot cooper ground rod. 

So my question is other than the 9:1 UN UN inside the little box breaking
down because of heat, is there any other thing I should check? I wanted to
check everything before calling UltiMax tomorrow. 
I think I have ruled out coax, and station but running it in dummy load. I
can run qrp all day long on the antenna with 5 watts, even at 100 the swr's
do not start rising. But I only run my amp at about 400 watts max on power
and it starts rising with that amount of power. 

Any suggestions or opinions are welcomed. 
Thank you
Gerald
 



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From kc6cnn at gmail.com  Wed Jun 28 23:46:10 2017
From: kc6cnn at gmail.com (KC6CNN)
Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2017 20:46:10 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] advice please
In-Reply-To: <1498707180773-7632164.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1498707180773-7632164.post@n2.nabble.com>
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Thank you to those that emailed me directly. 
Thanks for your help. 
Gerald




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From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Thu Jun 29 03:29:25 2017
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2017 00:29:25 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 - Switching power source while operating
In-Reply-To: <B1B76242-68A6-490E-A0C7-9C1F80B64185@elde.net>
References: <B1B76242-68A6-490E-A0C7-9C1F80B64185@elde.net>
Message-ID: <91074dba-1a1e-d20f-1517-312644b645ec@audiosystemsgroup.com>

To clarify --K3, K3S, KX3, and KX2 shut down sort of like a computer -- 
they write their complete setup to RAM when you turn them off, and that 
setup determines how they turn on. When you kill power by removing the 
power source, that write doesn't occur, so the radio turns on (reboots) 
with the last saved settings, which may be quite different from where 
you had set them for the setup when you lost power. I've learned this 
the hard way. :)

So -- like others have advised, the best solution is to keep a charged 
battery set in the radio, so that when you lose external power, the 
radio doesn't have an un-planned event.

73, Jim K9YC

On 6/28/2017 2:28 PM, Terje Elde wrote:
> I?m wondering if anything is known about how much of an intermittent loss of power a KX3 will more or less not notice, during full use (transmit at 15W), and during receive?



From w2blc at nycap.rr.com  Thu Jun 29 11:09:57 2017
From: w2blc at nycap.rr.com (Bill)
Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2017 11:09:57 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] advice please
In-Reply-To: <1498707970352-7632165.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1498707970352-7632165.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <71705064-dec9-bcd4-7cc4-c54b17364fc1@nycap.rr.com>

Sadly, this query and the associated replies were handled outside of 
this resource - thwarting the purpose of this mail list. A point of 
learning lost.

Bill W2BLC K-Line

-- 
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we can do without. - John Dolan


From n6wg at comcast.net  Thu Jun 29 11:31:26 2017
From: n6wg at comcast.net (n6wg at comcast.net)
Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2017 15:31:26 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 memory keyer problem
In-Reply-To: <1449790533.59701574.1498750189235.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <1060034601.59702825.1498750286283.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net>

It's been a few years since I last used my K2.? In firing it up, I find that I have 
somehow locked the Preamp button into a stored msg mode.? Everytime 
I try to select the Preamp I get a msg being keyed.? I've gone through 
the manual, but can't find a way to cancel this and get my Preamp 
function back. 
? 
Can someone clue me in on this? 
Tnx?and 73 
Bob N6WG 

From f8acf56 at yahoo.fr  Thu Jun 29 15:02:19 2017
From: f8acf56 at yahoo.fr (Christophe F8ACF-56)
Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2017 19:02:19 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 and kpa 100 (2)
References: <321083615.2601392.1498762939078.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <321083615.2601392.1498762939078@mail.yahoo.com>

Hello Don, and all ,
So I arrived on page 26 left column down

When the K2 starts up the K2 says: 12.7 Volt I 0.32 amp
I think it's okay?

All values appear OK

un single doubt

For U1 pin 27 I have 5.7
For U1 pin 28 I have 5.58

But I think it's OK, okay?


Thank you for your help

Sorry for vocabulary mistakes I try to explain at best?73 , Christophe F8ACF-56

From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Thu Jun 29 16:05:17 2017
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2017 16:05:17 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 and kpa 100 (2)
In-Reply-To: <321083615.2601392.1498762939078@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <321083615.2601392.1498762939078.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<321083615.2601392.1498762939078@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <c27030cf-9494-d9e9-22b6-9aaed37a49ba@embarqmail.com>

Christophe,

Yes, that is OK.  Voltages within 10% of the value printed in the manual 
are normally OK.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 6/29/2017 3:02 PM, Christophe F8ACF-56 via Elecraft wrote:
> Hello Don, and all ,
> So I arrived on page 26 left column down
> 
> When the K2 starts up the K2 says: 12.7 Volt I 0.32 amp
> I think it's okay?
> 
> All values appear OK
> 
> un single doubt
> 
> For U1 pin 27 I have 5.7
> For U1 pin 28 I have 5.58
> 
> But I think it's OK, okay?
> 

From jwebsterlsu at gmail.com  Thu Jun 29 18:38:36 2017
From: jwebsterlsu at gmail.com (John W Webster)
Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2017 15:38:36 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft SSB Net
Message-ID: <22C0219A-DC4A-4711-AE5F-1F1F0744B159@gmail.com>

Just a reminder that there is a weekly Elecraft SSB Net at 18:00z (UTC) on 20m
just about every Sunday.

The frequency is 14.303.5 (yes, squeezed in between other regular net frequencies).

Net control is Eric ,WB9JNZ near Chicago, IL, with other stations helping relay from
across the country.

There was no net last week due to Field Day.  Please consider joining the net this
weekend.  You will be invited to give your name, state and which rig you are 
running (if Elecraft K2, KX2, KX3, K3 or K3S you will be asked the serial number).

Eric asked me to post the check-in lists for June 11 and 18.  See below.

73

John, N6JW

PS: I will be on a 4 day hiking trip in King?s Canyon National Park starting this weekend.
Yes, I will have the KX3 and a wire with me; but I will be in a deep canyon?however
there is always NVIS propagation to experiment with?so listen for me anyway!

Elecraft SSB Net 6-11-2017

WB9JNZ Eric IL K3 4017 Net Control

W4RKS Jim TX K3 3618

NC0JW Jim CO KX3 1356

KJ4ZSI Bud FL K3 4703

N6JW John CA K3 936

W7REK Glenn AZ K3 2843

NS7P Phil OR K3 1826

AE6JV Bill CA K3 6299

W2RWA Dick NY IC7300

K7BRR Bill AZ K3S 10939

W7QHD Kurt AZ KX3 8697

WM6P Steve GA K3 8133

N0MPM Mike IA K3S 10514

K8NU Carl OH K3S 10996

AI4VZ George CA K3 2412

WA9SUG Al IL IC7700

W7NTD Roy WA Collins KWM2

N7SNR Rob AZ K3 343



Elecraft SSB Net 18-2017

WB9JNZ Eric IL K3 4017 Net Control

N9SRA Steve IL K3S 10563

W4RKS Jim TX K3 3618

K6SAB Steve CA K3 7497

NC0JW Jim CO KX3 1356

W7QHD Kurt AZ KX3 8697

K7BRR Bill AZ K3S 10939

W7REK Glenn AZ K3 2843

AD5SX Paul NM K3 4645

KE7HGE Ken WA KX3 4540

K4DML Doug TN K3 6433

From kstover at ac0h.net  Thu Jun 29 19:04:22 2017
From: kstover at ac0h.net (Kevin Stover, AC0H)
Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2017 18:04:22 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] P3 upgrade to provide display transmit information?
In-Reply-To: <594941d3.447c630a.3361e.810a@mx.google.com>
References: <594941d3.447c630a.3361e.810a@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <bfb62c94-c858-2d1e-f8d1-165333685d5a@ac0h.net>

http://www.elecraft.com/manual/P3%20Xmit%20Mon%20FAQ-ver-A-7.pdf

Personally I think the N8LP LP-500 wins. By a long shot.

On 6/20/2017 10:40 AM, Robert Sands wrote:
> After looking at the new station monitors by w8LP I thought I would ask if the P3 might be tweaked to provide transmit quality information via a display. Not sure how far it can go within its hardware envelope of capability. Perhaps there is a software update that will provide some of what I am requesting.
> Bob
> K7VO

> 

-- 
R. Kevin Stover    AC0H
FISTS #11993
SKCC #215
NAQCC #3441
ARRL

From marvwheeler at nwlink.com  Thu Jun 29 19:55:35 2017
From: marvwheeler at nwlink.com (Marvin Wheeler)
Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2017 16:55:35 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] No Email
Message-ID: <000001d2f133$33e64200$9bb2c600$@nwlink.com>

Testing to see if the server is down or just no activity.



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From frantz at pwpconsult.com  Thu Jun 29 20:05:50 2017
From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz)
Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2017 17:05:50 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 sudden total audio loss
Message-ID: <r470Ps-10125i-3DA9073870D647ABA3BD828B45E913ED@Williams-MacBook-Pro.local>

During Field Day, my KX3 was running SSB in the GOTA station. 
All of a sudden, it lost all audio output, both speaker and 
phone. A normal shutdown and restart restored the audio. Does 
anyone have any idea what might have happened. (Getting it 
working was more important than collection debugging information.)

73 Bill AE6JV

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From frantz at pwpconsult.com  Thu Jun 29 22:18:37 2017
From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz)
Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2017 19:18:37 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 sudden total audio loss
In-Reply-To: <727c3f4bc2eb4cc482f702d2dcfdb485@Server.thorntonmostullaw.com>
Message-ID: <r470Ps-10125i-393228825FA84133A83318FD050ECC58@Williams-MacBook-Pro.local>

Could be, but the radio was run from a 95AH lead-acid battery 
with solar panel charger and it has internal betteries which 
will carry it over a loss of external power.

The charge controller was manual as the electronic one was 
making too much RF noise. They monitored the voltage and plugged 
in the solar panels when the battery got low and unplugged them 
when it got high.

Someone could have kicked the wires though.

73 Bill AE6JV

On 6/30/17 at 5:11 PM, gthornton at thorntonmostullaw.com (George 
Thornton) wrote:

>One possible explanation might be a voltage spike or drop. 
>Could have caused software confusion, remedied by rebooting.
>
>
>
>From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net 
>[mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Bill Frantz
>Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2017 5:06 PM
>To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 sudden total audio loss
>
>During Field Day, my KX3 was running SSB in the GOTA station.
>All of a sudden, it lost all audio output, both speaker and
>phone. A normal shutdown and restart restored the audio. Does
>anyone have any idea what might have happened. (Getting it
>working was more important than collection debugging information.)
>
>73 Bill AE6JV

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From tgpetri at gmail.com  Thu Jun 29 22:37:40 2017
From: tgpetri at gmail.com (Glenn Petri)
Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2017 22:37:40 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Inverter type generators used for FD?
Message-ID: <CAOMnCetgHcCM5T0Pv1b0A1VYpyMVPwsRyBAcKnciFMCEQAQ0vw@mail.gmail.com>

I recently purchased a Honda eu2000i just for the purpose of this year's
Field Day and for other future radio outings.

I began to panic somewhat after reading and seeing youtube postings about
the terrible hash emitted by these type of units. The web article by Jim
K9YC was one of many that outlined the cure for this issue.

During my testing the days before Field Day, and during the Field Day
weekend, I observed no issue with some of the problems documented across
the Internet. I utilized a heavy duty 100 foot extension with the genset
positioned away and opposite of the antenna locations.

I am slowly assembling the parts for the following project just for some
added peace of mind...and the fun of project.

http://www.dellroy.com/W4EF%27s-Ham-Radio-Page/Portable_Operation/EU2000i_Filter.htm


Glenn KE4KY

From w7aqk at cox.net  Thu Jun 29 23:10:49 2017
From: w7aqk at cox.net (w7aqk)
Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2017 20:10:49 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] OT:  Inverter type generators used for FD?
Message-ID: <4BDEF1F3D08547FF99897C2D7D27344B@LAPTOPEPVQLR1I>

Hi All,

Here in Tucson, I have often "played" Field Day many times with several 
other local hams.  We have done this at various times during the year 
besides just the official Field Day time.  Each of us has a small travel 
trailer (20 to 22 ft. types), so a generator of some sort is pretty 
important as we typically just "boondock" somewhere.  A couple of these hams 
have Honda 1000 watt models, and a couple others have the 2000 watt model. 
Now, both of those types work well, are relatively quiet as to ambient 
noise, and only generate moderate hash.  A filter, such as the type 
suggested by Jim Brown, K9YC, will typically solve that problem.

When I was making my decision about buying a generator, I initially leaned 
toward the Honda 2000 watt model.  There was one "gotcha", however, about 
the Honda.  It seemed to be just barely adequate, if not actually 
inadequate, to run my trailer's A/C unit.  Apparently the Honda 2000 will do 
"O.K." on a 13,500 btu unit, but struggles mightily with one that is 15,000 
btu's.  One member of our group had a Yamaha generator that is rated at 2.4 
KW, slightly higher than the Honda 2000.  That Yamaha will handle a 15,000 
btu A/C unit.  It is, however, a bit worse as to hash, but one of Jim 
Brown's filters will resolve that as well.

On my little trailer, I had purchased and paid for a 13,500 btu unit. 
However, when I went to pick it up after the install, I was informed that 
they had instead put in a 15,000 btu unit since they didn't have the smaller 
sized unit in stock.  No extra charge!  Well, good for me, I guess, but when 
I went to evaluating generators, it complicated the decision.  If I wanted a 
Honda, I either had to go for the 3000 watt model, or go with the Yamaha 2.4 
KW unit.  Ultimately I went with the Yamaha.  It was sufficiently more 
powerful and somewhat cheaper than the Honda 2 KW unit, has good regulation, 
is nearly as quiet as to ambient noise, and I could still lift it without 
too much effort.  It's gets good ratings from users.  I think most Honda 
aficionados might be equally happy with the Yamaha, and maybe more so if 
they push the limit of the Honda.  Of course, I can't run the A/C and a ham 
rig of any size simultaneously, but I do have considerably more flexibility. 
A 3000 watt Honda might do both, but the cost is substantially higher.

I'm simply suggesting that you consider all possible needs when buying a 
generator.  If all you want is just something for ham rigs, a smaller unit 
might suffice.  However, even just running an electric coffee often requires 
more than what a 1000 watt Honda will provide!  A travel trailer with A/C 
may seem excessive, but there are many potential uses that you might not be 
considering.  For example, if you happen to have a power outage, you might 
want a generator big enough to keep your refrigerator, and maybe a couple of 
other critical items, running.  My Yamaha will do that (and has!), but a 1 
KW Honda might not!  The moral of the story is to not scrimp on the unit 
size if at all possible.  A 1 KW unit is really pretty marginal in my view.

Dave W7AQK




From n7tb at comcast.net  Thu Jun 29 23:26:39 2017
From: n7tb at comcast.net (Terry Brown)
Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2017 03:26:39 -0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Fldigi and signallink question interfaced to KX3
Message-ID: <007501d2f150$b01d17a0$105746e0$@comcast.net>

I have a KX3 connected to a Signalink and Fldigi.  It seems to work fine for
all the digital modes.  I can use it to decode CW, but have never sent CW.
I clicked on the CQ button and all that happened was that my transmitter
went into transmit mode, but nothing was transmitted.  If I  put the KX3 in
LSB it would transmit cw fine, but was always off frequency by the amount of
my sidetone.  

 

Will fldigi send CW correctly in cw mode on the KX3?  If so, what am I doing
wrong.

 

Thanks,

 

Terry

 


From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Thu Jun 29 13:44:02 2017
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2017 13:44:02 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 memory keyer problem
In-Reply-To: <1060034601.59702825.1498750286283.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net>
References: <1060034601.59702825.1498750286283.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <8852d35e-a770-f89e-c142-d08303ee8990@embarqmail.com>

Bob,

Two things are possibilities.
1) There is a marginal solder connection on the Front Panel board that 
has oxidized.  Look at the soldering for RP1 and U2 as well as the rest 
of the board.
2) The data in EEPROM has been corrupted.  To correct will require a 
Master Reset - BUT - that will wipe out all your menu settings including 
the PLL data and your filter settings.
Before the Master Reset, download the K2 A to B instructions which 
contain a nice section for recording your settings.  You will need the 
internal frequency counter probe.
After the Master Reset, do a CAL PLL and restore all the menu settings.

73,
Don W3FPR


On 6/29/2017 11:31 AM, n6wg at comcast.net wrote:
> It's been a few years since I last used my K2.  In firing it up, I find that I have
> somehow locked the Preamp button into a stored msg mode.  Everytime
> I try to select the Preamp I get a msg being keyed.  I've gone through
> the manual, but can't find a way to cancel this and get my Preamp
> function back.

From KX3.1 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com  Thu Jun 29 12:48:26 2017
From: KX3.1 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com (Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT)
Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2017 09:48:26 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] advice please
In-Reply-To: <71705064-dec9-bcd4-7cc4-c54b17364fc1@nycap.rr.com>
References: <1498707970352-7632165.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<71705064-dec9-bcd4-7cc4-c54b17364fc1@nycap.rr.com>
Message-ID: <28c1f12e-8c4a-6e4c-26f7-dfd871d17bb3@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com>

Could not have said it better myself.

I realize that a lot of us get tired of the especially long, 
uninteresting threads, especially if we don't own a Silverado or somesuch.

The flipside is that really good information is lost forever when 
replies go off-list.

73 -- Lynn

On 6/29/2017 8:09 AM, Bill wrote:
> Sadly, this query and the associated replies were handled outside of 
> this resource - thwarting the purpose of this mail list. A point of 
> learning lost.
> 
> Bill W2BLC K-Line
> 

From randy.vanvliet at gmail.com  Thu Jun 29 20:27:22 2017
From: randy.vanvliet at gmail.com (Randy van Vliet)
Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2017 17:27:22 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3
Message-ID: <CAMiU-DXH1bEfe61FEoQPS5qvPyUtpQPu7F-LH+p=f+PWibu4oQ@mail.gmail.com>

Wanted : A K3 with ATU that is for sale that has had most of it's parts
migrated over by the owner to the owners new K3s. Preferably by the
original owner. Would prefer with owners manual, original box. Please
contact W6RLV, my email address is good on QRZ or by phone 747 3hundred 76
fifty eight. Pictures appreciated

From f8acf56 at yahoo.fr  Fri Jun 30 01:37:12 2017
From: f8acf56 at yahoo.fr (Christophe F8ACF-56)
Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2017 05:37:12 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 and kpa 100 (2)
In-Reply-To: <c27030cf-9494-d9e9-22b6-9aaed37a49ba@embarqmail.com>
References: <321083615.2601392.1498762939078.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<321083615.2601392.1498762939078@mail.yahoo.com>
	<c27030cf-9494-d9e9-22b6-9aaed37a49ba@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <2020675593.2913308.1498801032467@mail.yahoo.com>

hello don , hello to all ,
I will put everything in the box

I will not have time to work on the KPA100 before mid September

Too much work at the professional level

Thanks again for the help of forum?73 , Christophe F8ACF-56

      De?: Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com>
 ??: Christophe F8ACF-56 <f8acf56 at yahoo.fr>; Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> 
 Envoy? le : Jeudi 29 juin 2017 22h05
 Objet?: Re: [Elecraft] K2 and kpa 100 (2)
   
Christophe,

Yes, that is OK.? Voltages within 10% of the value printed in the manual 
are normally OK.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 6/29/2017 3:02 PM, Christophe F8ACF-56 via Elecraft wrote:
> Hello Don, and all ,
> So I arrived on page 26 left column down
> 
> When the K2 starts up the K2 says: 12.7 Volt I 0.32 amp
> I think it's okay?
> 
> All values appear OK
> 
> un single doubt
> 
> For U1 pin 27 I have 5.7
> For U1 pin 28 I have 5.58
> 
> But I think it's OK, okay?
> 


   

From w0agmike at gmail.com  Thu Jun 29 23:13:15 2017
From: w0agmike at gmail.com (Mike Murray)
Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2017 22:13:15 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - Intermittents serial disconnect problem
In-Reply-To: <33F1055FB05549CCA30F5AB0CBA482E3@DESKTOPAV61F2H>
References: <CAP7zeE+MrtMGmgETmU9Hp2=Lcc66Owmkf0fRMWkSgpwxDCe=aQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<000201d2f02c$cbbf8800$633e9800$@elecraft.com>
	<QG8xdE4oJImXYQG8ydwLfQ@videotron.ca>
	<33F1055FB05549CCA30F5AB0CBA482E3@DESKTOPAV61F2H>
Message-ID: <CAP7zeEJdyx1MURVAG1a32B+T=rHZG0bSucs-i5hNXxVi0CdCgw@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks to Tom, Dick and all who offered suggestions, but nothing seemed to
cure the problem.  As a last resort I began troubleshooting the PC by
disabling all startup programs and selectively disabling non-Microsoft
services installed at boot time.  Although time consuming to re-enable them
(services) one at a time, reboot, and then test for the problem, it finally
appeared that a Malwarebytes Pro service was causing the problem.  An email
to their support yielded a quick response with a suggested fix to do a
clean uninstall, reboot, then a new install.  They provided the software to
make sure it was done correctly.  Lo and behold the problem is now gone.  I
can only conclude that there must have been some corruption involved and a
clean install corrected it.

Thanks again to all.

73,
Mike W0AG



On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 12:09 PM, Tom <tomb18 at videotron.ca> wrote:

> As Dick mentioned this is the most likely reason.  There is another power
> management setting that should be checked and disabled as well.  Open the
> device manager, and expand Universal Serial Bus Controllers.  In there
> there will entries such as Generic USB  Hub, USB Root Hub and each of these
> will also have power management settings.  It is best to disable power
> management there as well.
> 73 Tom
>
>
>

From ve3iay at gmail.com  Fri Jun 30 07:36:23 2017
From: ve3iay at gmail.com (Richard Ferch)
Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2017 07:36:23 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Fldigi and signallink question interfaced to KX3
Message-ID: <CAJ-xeHkNpfY9j19W570gx_yxbk2o2s7OrbVCoxK5_gLt8vVAnA@mail.gmail.com>

In order to send CW in CW mode, the KX3, like any other amateur radio
transceiver, needs an on-off keying input to its CW key jack. In CW mode,
amateur transceivers do not respond to audio input.

fldigi's primary method of sending CW is to produce an audio tone from a
sound card (such as your SignaLink). This cannot be used directly with a
rig in CW mode; the rig has to be in SSB. In SSB the rig's dial frequency
will be off by the sidetone frequency, as you have noticed, but the
frequency displayed and logged in fldigi should be correct if the program
is configured correctly.

There is a circuit in the fldigi documentation for converting fldigi's
"QSK" signal (an audio signal on the right channel of the sound card) to an
on-off keying signal - see <
http://www.w1hkj.com/FldigiHelp/cw_keying_page.html>. The SignaLink is a
single-channel sound card (left channel only) and does not support the
right channel, but fldigi does have a means for switching the two channels
- perhaps this could be made to work. Someone on this group may have done
this and be able to advise you whether it can be done successfully.

Another option is a K1EL Winkeyer (<http://k1el.tripod.com/WKUSBX.html>).
Current versions of fldigi support the Winkeyer, which provides an on-off
keying signal that transceivers like the KX3 can use in CW mode. See <
http://www.w1hkj.com/FldigiHelp/cw_winkeyer_page.html> for configuration
information on using a Winkeyer with fldigi.

73,
Rich VE3KI


N7TB wrote:

Will fldigi send CW correctly in cw mode on the KX3?  If so, what am I
doing wrong.

From fred at fmeco.com  Fri Jun 30 09:19:52 2017
From: fred at fmeco.com (Fred Moore)
Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2017 09:19:52 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Inverter type generators used for FD?
In-Reply-To: <4BDEF1F3D08547FF99897C2D7D27344B@LAPTOPEPVQLR1I>
References: <4BDEF1F3D08547FF99897C2D7D27344B@LAPTOPEPVQLR1I>
Message-ID: <09353fb8-b372-b0b6-83ba-31d6df04c731@fmeco.com>

When you evaluate generators look at the continuous load that is what is
important.  Lets compare two Honda units as an example the 2000i and the
3000i.  The 2000i is rated at 2000 watts for 10 minutes and 1600
continuous, while the 3000i is rated at 3000 watts for 10 minutes and
2800 continuous. 

Purchasing two 2000i with a slave kit (48 bucks) will run you 1900 bucks
and give you 3200 continuous, while a 3000i will give you only 2800
continuous, you also get to spend 500 bucks more for the 3000i.   The
3000i is  131lbs, while each 2000i is 47lbs each.  I can move two 47 lb
units by myself, a 131lb unit is hard on us old people.

It is much more flexible to have two and only pull out the second one
when you really need it.  one drawback, the 3000 is quieter then two
2000i by a few db's.  Two generators also burn lightly more fuel, but
you may also be able to run two in economy mode, while you would not be
able to run the 3000i in economy making up for the difference in fuel. 

I also have found no reason for any type of filter with Honda's..
additional savings.  Also note that one brand the noise hash was being
emitted directly from the generator not the power line, a filter won't
fix that one. 

Fred Moore
email: fred at fmeco.com
       wd8kni at gmail.com
phone: 321-217-8699



From fred at fmeco.com  Fri Jun 30 09:18:06 2017
From: fred at fmeco.com (Fred Moore)
Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2017 09:18:06 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Inverter type generators used for FD?
In-Reply-To: <4BDEF1F3D08547FF99897C2D7D27344B@LAPTOPEPVQLR1I>
References: <4BDEF1F3D08547FF99897C2D7D27344B@LAPTOPEPVQLR1I>
Message-ID: <c21f3846-8796-6501-ef27-e5503c84f4a6@fmeco.com>

Over the last several years we have tested about 6 different brands of
inverter generators.  Hash on all of them except the Honda's.  I have
not seen any hash on the 1000, 2000, or 3000 generators.  One brand had
hash over +20 on 40 meters.  It was coming directly from the generator,
not the power line cord, moving it out from the trailer on a 100' cord
reduced the hash to around S6. Of course Honda's are the ones everyone
else is trying to beat with a lower price point.  You only get a lower
price point one way in a competitive market, make it cheaper.   Just
purchased a 2000i from Mayberry advertised in QST for 929 free freight
and sales tax to me here in Florida (no relationship).  150 bucks
cheaper than anywhere else I could find it.

Regards.. Fred

Fred Moore
email: fred at fmeco.com
       wd8kni at gmail.com
phone: 321-217-8699



From gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk  Fri Jun 30 09:36:30 2017
From: gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk (David Anderson)
Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2017 14:36:30 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] Problem with list sever
Message-ID: <3107F77A-9755-474B-82B4-18D643757844@yahoo.co.uk>


I keep getting this when sending to the list

Sorry, we were unable to deliver your message to the following address.

<elecraft at mailman.qth.net>:
Remote host said:
550 Message contained unsafe content (Heuristics.Safebrowsing.Suspected-phishing_safebrowsing.clamav.net)
[BODY]


73 from David GM4JJJ

From frantz at pwpconsult.com  Fri Jun 30 11:54:25 2017
From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz)
Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2017 08:54:25 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] advice please
In-Reply-To: <28c1f12e-8c4a-6e4c-26f7-dfd871d17bb3@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com>
Message-ID: <r470Ps-10125i-0FDE9A89BC0842B18915315DB2850CE3@Williams-MacBook-Pro.local>

Back in the good old days, when the Internet was an academic 
toy, and the users were friends, the standard was, "Please reply 
directly to me and I'll summarize for the list." This approach 
should work nicely on this list as well. I've used it once or 
twice myself.

73 Bill AE6JV

On 6/29/17 at 9:48 AM, KX3.1 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com (Lynn W. 
Taylor, WB6UUT) wrote:

>Could not have said it better myself.
>
>I realize that a lot of us get tired of the especially long, 
>uninteresting threads, especially if we don't own a Silverado 
>or somesuch.
>
>The flipside is that really good information is lost forever when replies go off-list.
>
>73 -- Lynn
>
>On 6/29/2017 8:09 AM, Bill wrote:
>>Sadly, this query and the associated replies were handled 
>>outside of this resource - thwarting the purpose of this mail 
>>list. A point of learning lost.
>>
>>Bill W2BLC K-Line
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From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Fri Jun 30 13:55:45 2017
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2017 10:55:45 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Inverter type generators used for FD?
In-Reply-To: <09353fb8-b372-b0b6-83ba-31d6df04c731@fmeco.com>
References: <4BDEF1F3D08547FF99897C2D7D27344B@LAPTOPEPVQLR1I>
	<09353fb8-b372-b0b6-83ba-31d6df04c731@fmeco.com>
Message-ID: <7a723df3-1d46-b8b3-bc51-8428c64d447c@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On 6/30/2017 6:19 AM, Fred Moore wrote:
> I also have found no reason for any type of filter with Honda's..
> additional savings.  Also note that one brand the noise hash was being
> emitted directly from the generator not the power line, a filter won't
> fix that one.

This will, of course, depend on how close the generator and its power 
wiring is to antennas. It also depends on the other RF noise at the 
site. We operate FD, CQP, and 7QP from places where there is NO local 
noise other than what we bring with our gear, so it's common to see 
S2-S3 on our K3 meters. If you're somewhere with S6 background noise, 
you're less likely to hear noise from the generator. In 7QP, we operate 
portable from multiple locations on county lines, so we have two 
generators mounted on the bed of the pickup truck that pulls our 
contesting trailer. This puts the generators right underneath our 
antennas, which makes filtering critical.

The mechanism here is that noise is conducted onto the power cable from 
the generator as a common mode signal, which radiates into our antennas. 
That's why the common mode choke is needed, and why it works.

73, Jim K9YC


From randy.vanvliet at gmail.com  Fri Jun 30 14:45:33 2017
From: randy.vanvliet at gmail.com (Randy van Vliet)
Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2017 11:45:33 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3/100 for sale
Message-ID: <CAMiU-DXrv+Vx29=3D5VLqbzdH8y2c__=sRHxZGfKkT41SbymQw@mail.gmail.com>

Is this still for sale?  I am looking for a K3 that has been mostly
stripped for migration to a K3s.

From Gary at ka1j.com  Fri Jun 30 15:14:53 2017
From: Gary at ka1j.com (Gary Smith)
Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2017 15:14:53 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] OT:  Inverter type generators used for FD?
In-Reply-To: <4BDEF1F3D08547FF99897C2D7D27344B@LAPTOPEPVQLR1I>
References: <4BDEF1F3D08547FF99897C2D7D27344B@LAPTOPEPVQLR1I>
Message-ID: <5956A32D.6670.D6B5281@Gary.ka1j.com>

FWIW, I have the Honda EU2000i and have 
used it in many situations where hash/rfi 
would be unacceptable. I never heard any 
hash with the K3 and when I used the 2000i 
to power a McIntosh C2600 tube preamp and 
MC275 amp, I never heard any artefacts 
with the volume full with no signal, dead 
quiet.

Another big feature for me is the time it 
runs on one gallon, just fantastic.

YMMV but it's worked perfectly for me thus 
far.

73,

Gary
KA1J

From WB4SON at gmail.com  Fri Jun 30 15:26:46 2017
From: WB4SON at gmail.com (Bob)
Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2017 15:26:46 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Inverter type generators used for FD?
In-Reply-To: <5956A32D.6670.D6B5281@Gary.ka1j.com>
References: <4BDEF1F3D08547FF99897C2D7D27344B@LAPTOPEPVQLR1I>
	<5956A32D.6670.D6B5281@Gary.ka1j.com>
Message-ID: <CAPonRZ_ojoPxh6v2pK92Rma8Y8SE-GV=HZumL3EJ3kbRYRECiA@mail.gmail.com>

I own two things that I consider as close to perfect as humanly possible:
 My Elecraft K3, and My Honda EU2000i.

I've never had any issue with hash or RFI with my Honda.  Decades ago, when
they first came out, there were scattered reports, but Honda quickly
corrected the issue.  My Honda is unbelievably quiet, sips gas, and always
starts on a 2-finger pull.  Highly recommend it.  Been thinking of buying
its little brother for years.

73, Bob, WB4SON

From fred at fmeco.com  Fri Jun 30 15:55:05 2017
From: fred at fmeco.com (Fred Moore)
Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2017 15:55:05 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Inverter type generators used for FD?
In-Reply-To: <7a723df3-1d46-b8b3-bc51-8428c64d447c@audiosystemsgroup.com>
References: <4BDEF1F3D08547FF99897C2D7D27344B@LAPTOPEPVQLR1I>
	<09353fb8-b372-b0b6-83ba-31d6df04c731@fmeco.com>
	<7a723df3-1d46-b8b3-bc51-8428c64d447c@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Message-ID: <f1f8fb35-b209-f53a-79ea-d6b05d436ba1@fmeco.com>

Jim;  When using the Honda's I have no experience of relative location
to the antenna's causing a problem. 

Also I am absolutely sure no one on this list would expect to hear noise
below the noise that is below the noise when they already had a high
noise floor for other reasons, and they are already hearing noise from
the high noise floor not caused by the generator they could not hear
because of the already high noise floor they already had before the
generator noise floor was generated below the noise floor. 

All of my testing was done with places far removed from the mains, that
is why I need a generator to start with.  

The generator I alluded to that was generating extremely high hash, was
generating it without anything plugged in, not even an extension cord,
the hash did not diminish when you placed it on a load either, so it was
NOT common mode.  That generator was the Generac Inverter (3 different
ones) that is competing with the Honda.

BTW I consulted your web site, and didn't see any references to the how
far a generator must be kept from the antenna's, Please add a reference
for all of us so we know when we will have a problem, we may not be able
to move it without advanced warning of the problems it might cause.

If anyone on the list is hearing noise from their generator that is
below their normal noise level, please let us know.. so we can get it
documented on Jims web site.

And I still don't need a common noise choke you designed, so don't think
I will build one, no matter what the mechanism is.

Regards.. Fred

Fred Moore
email: fred at fmeco.com
       wd8kni at gmail.com
phone: 321-217-8699

On 6/30/17 1:55 PM, Jim Brown wrote:
> On 6/30/2017 6:19 AM, Fred Moore wrote:
>> I also have found no reason for any type of filter with Honda's..
>> additional savings.  Also note that one brand the noise hash was being
>> emitted directly from the generator not the power line, a filter won't
>> fix that one.
>
> This will, of course, depend on how close the generator and its power
> wiring is to antennas. It also depends on the other RF noise at the
> site. We operate FD, CQP, and 7QP from places where there is NO local
> noise other than what we bring with our gear, so it's common to see
> S2-S3 on our K3 meters. If you're somewhere with S6 background noise,
> you're less likely to hear noise from the generator. In 7QP, we
> operate portable from multiple locations on county lines, so we have
> two generators mounted on the bed of the pickup truck that pulls our
> contesting trailer. This puts the generators right underneath our
> antennas, which makes filtering critical.
>
> The mechanism here is that noise is conducted onto the power cable
> from the generator as a common mode signal, which radiates into our
> antennas. That's why the common mode choke is needed, and why it works.
>
> 73, Jim K9YC
>


From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Fri Jun 30 00:20:39 2017
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2017 00:20:39 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Fldigi and signallink question interfaced to KX3
In-Reply-To: <007501d2f150$b01d17a0$105746e0$@comcast.net>
References: <007501d2f150$b01d17a0$105746e0$@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <181f3ee7-f8be-56dc-46f1-14482198b9dc@embarqmail.com>

sorry about the blank response.  It is late here and the fingers do not 
work well.

Fldigi uses audio tones for keying, and you need to be in SSB mode 
(typically USB or DATA A) to transmit on the proper frequency - CW 
included - but I would expect twice the sidetone pitch.
Use DATA A mode when trying to send CW via the Fldigi CW mode.

CW is "just another digital mode" although one that can be decoded by 
the human brain for those who know morse.  It uses audio tones to send 
CW, do the carrier frequency USB frequency will be the transmit 
frequency plus the frequency for the sidetone in Fldigi.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 6/29/2017 11:26 PM, Terry Brown wrote:
> I have a KX3 connected to a Signalink and Fldigi.  It seems to work fine for
> all the digital modes.  I can use it to decode CW, but have never sent CW.
> I clicked on the CQ button and all that happened was that my transmitter
> went into transmit mode, but nothing was transmitted.  If I  put the KX3 in
> LSB it would transmit cw fine, but was always off frequency by the amount of
> my sidetone.

From greg7412 at gmail.com  Fri Jun 30 15:25:00 2017
From: greg7412 at gmail.com (greg7412 at gmail.com)
Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2017 14:25:00 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Want to buy P3
Message-ID: <5956a58d.c531240a.24dd1.4c4e@mx.google.com>

WTB Elecraft P3 W/SVGA card
Please contact Greg (K9ON) at greg7412 at gmail dot com
Thank you

Sent from Mail for Windows 10


From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Fri Jun 30 18:18:54 2017
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2017 15:18:54 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Inverter type generators used for FD?
In-Reply-To: <f1f8fb35-b209-f53a-79ea-d6b05d436ba1@fmeco.com>
References: <4BDEF1F3D08547FF99897C2D7D27344B@LAPTOPEPVQLR1I>
	<09353fb8-b372-b0b6-83ba-31d6df04c731@fmeco.com>
	<7a723df3-1d46-b8b3-bc51-8428c64d447c@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<f1f8fb35-b209-f53a-79ea-d6b05d436ba1@fmeco.com>
Message-ID: <99c96ee2-f751-57c7-5746-9d2882b1f9ef@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On 6/30/2017 12:55 PM, Fred Moore wrote:
> All of my testing was done with places far removed from the mains, that
> is why I need a generator to start with.

Mains power is NOT the only source of noise. Noise from electronic 
sources is FAR more common, and we often bring a lot of electronic noise 
with us with accessories for our radio gear. That's an important part of 
the message in the nccc.cc link.

> The generator I alluded to that was generating extremely high hash, was
> generating it without anything plugged in, not even an extension cord,
> the hash did not diminish when you placed it on a load either, so it was
> NOT common mode.  That generator was the Generac Inverter (3 different
> ones) that is competing with the Honda.

Good information, Fred. That tells me that it's terrible layout of 
internal wiring and/or circuit board layout. Combined with bad shielding.

> BTW I consulted your web site, and didn't see any references to the how
> far a generator must be kept from the antenna's, Please add a reference
> for all of us so we know when we will have a problem, we may not be able
> to move it without advanced warning of the problems it might cause.

As I've tried to make clear, that depends on the generator, the 
antennas, the other noise at the site.

> And I still don't need a common noise choke you designed, so don't think
> I will build one, no matter what the mechanism is.

I'm a firm believer in "if it ain't broke, don't fix it."  I try to help 
folks understand how things work, how to make them work better, and how 
to solve problems when they happen. A choke won't fix the noise from 
that Generac, but it can help a LOT with a better designed unit.

Likewise, the original post asked about how others successfully do 
multiple radios on the same band, and I outlined the rules/guidelines 
that the fundamentals give us, and what's worked for me.  I'm pleased to 
hear that others have short-cutted one or more of these guidelines and 
gotten away with it. But I've heard dozens of horror stories over the 
years about the RF mess generated by el-cheapo rigs, especially the 706 
and the Y-brand equivalents.

My goals are to be able to work QRP stations and home stations with 
lousy antennas. To do that, you've gotta be nutso about killing RX 
noise. Do the math -- the difference between S3 and S6 is 15-18 dB, 
depending on whose definition of an S-unit you accept. 15 dB is a 32x 
power difference, 18 dB is 64x. 15 dB more noise makes a 100W signal 
sound like a 3W signal.

Most of us own Elecraft rigs because we want the best.  My 
recommendations are aimed at making the rest of our stations the best, 
and to do so without throwing un-necessary bucks at it.

73, Jim K9YC

From Gunfighter26 at yahoo.com  Fri Jun 30 22:19:48 2017
From: Gunfighter26 at yahoo.com (Brad J. Butler)
Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2017 19:19:48 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Case for KXPA100
Message-ID: <032701d2f210$88494f30$98dbed90$@yahoo.com>

Hi everyone,

 

Just wondering if there are recommendations out there for a case for the
KXPA100?  I'm thinking along the lines of a Pelican case, but something
soft-sided could possibly work too.  Waffling back & forth between a case
that just carries the amp & cables or a case that carries amp, cables, and 1
or 2 Bioenno 12Ah batteries.  Case would be used for airline travel and/or
SOTA.

 

Anyone out there have recommendations?

 

-Brad Butler

W6BJB

 


From lladerman at earthlink.net  Fri Jun 30 22:45:56 2017
From: lladerman at earthlink.net (W0FK)
Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2017 19:45:56 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] K3/100 FS
Message-ID: <1498877156316-7632198.post@n2.nabble.com>

 
Elecraft K3, s/n 7463. Loaded with extras and assembled by me in 
2013. Does not have the KSYN3A updated synthesizers. Build specs:

K3-K Transceiver Kit
KPA3 - K3 100W PA Modular Kit 
KRX3 - K3 2nd RX Modular Kit	
KAT3 - K3 ATU Modular Kit 
KTCXO3-1 - K3 TCXO 1 ppm f/w correction to 0.5 ppm 
KXV3A - RX Ant., IF Out and Xverter Interface 
KDVR3 - K3 Digital Voice Recorder
Main Receiver Roofing Filters: 2.8KHz, 1.8 kHz, 1.0 kHz, 400Hz, 
200Hz
Subreceiver Roofing Filters: 2.8KHz, 1.8 KHz, 400Hz
DC power cable with Anderson Power Poles	

In great cosmetic condition and working order. Current 
firmware loaded. Manual not included, but available for download 
online.

$2895 + shipping/insurance. Lou, W0FK
  




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From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Fri Jun 30 14:54:31 2017
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2017 14:54:31 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 memory keyer problem
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Bob,

I have just been reminded that you may have Fast Play set on for easy 
access to your K2 messages.  If on, it defeats the tap function of the 
buttons.
Turn FPLY off to restore the tap function of the buttons.  See page 107 
of the K2 manual.

73,
Don W3FPR
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Bob,

Two things are possibilities.
1) There is a marginal solder connection on the Front Panel board that 
has oxidized.  Look at the soldering for RP1 and U2 as well as the rest 
of the board.
2) The data in EEPROM has been corrupted.  To correct will require a 
Master Reset - BUT - that will wipe out all your menu settings including 
the PLL data and your filter settings.
Before the Master Reset, download the K2 A to B instructions which 
contain a nice section for recording your settings.  You will need the 
internal frequency counter probe.
After the Master Reset, do a CAL PLL and restore all the menu settings.

73,
Don W3FPR


On 6/29/2017 11:31 AM, n6wg at comcast.net wrote:
> It's been a few years since I last used my K2.  In firing it up, I find that I have
> somehow locked the Preamp button into a stored msg mode.  Everytime
> I try to select the Preamp I get a msg being keyed.  I've gone through
> the manual, but can't find a way to cancel this and get my Preamp
> function back.

From nr4c at widomaker.com  Thu Jun 29 11:49:21 2017
From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c)
Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2017 11:49:21 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3.  FD shutdown
Message-ID: <E69A6621-F606-4EBC-96C3-67F3D8437CB1@widomaker.com>

My K3 (s/n 453x) has been used for FD and other outdoor events plus use at home (till I  rec'd one of the first K3Ss). On at least 2 events in past year it has exhibited little output power. Batteries were checked, cables checked and replaced, to no avail. Display did not show SWR when TUNE button pressed (only "--"). Another K3 was swapped in and everything was fine. 
I took radio home and it worked perfectly. 

This year at FD, it quit at around midnight. Even tried <12 W to verify LPA. Result little or almost no power. Checked LPA screws but they were tight.  Voltage on radio was just above 12v on TX. Took it home and it shows no sign of low power. It has worked well all week. 

Reloaded FW from Elecraft and reloaded last CONFIG file (May 2017 just before first event of year and did TX cal at this time). 

Now hooked to dummy load and running stress test with FD CW msg on repeat. 

Anyone have ideas?

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...nr4c. bill