From ka9p at aol.com  Sat Jul  1 20:20:42 2017
From: ka9p at aol.com (Scott McDonald)
Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2017 19:20:42 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] Field Day Rules
In-Reply-To: <CAD4CdTPj8EPQB1OmY0PBSmmWyxOeLi_SfVN-yS5HPsBFsyD=_A@mail.gmail.com>
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	<CAD4CdTPj8EPQB1OmY0PBSmmWyxOeLi_SfVN-yS5HPsBFsyD=_A@mail.gmail.com>
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Ha.

I loaned a good friend my K3 on Field Day for cw and ran my Omni 7 a few feet away on phone.

No doubt phone is tougher.

He still has my K3.

My proposed rule change - anyone that can't run Elecraft should get both sympathy and at least a 25 percent multiplier ?

Sent from my iPad

> On Jul 1, 2017, at 7:10 PM, Ken G Kopp kengkopp at gmail.com [KX3] <KX3-noreply at yahoogroups.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> No sympathy here ... 
> 
> 73
> 
> K0PP
> 
>> On Jul 1, 2017 4:19 PM, "k2qpn at comcast.net [KX3]" <KX3-noreply at yahoogroups.com> wrote:
>> 
>> We would like to propose a change to the ARRL Field Day rules. Simply put, we would to have a separate power multiplier for each mode. SSB contacts at 100 watts would have a power multiplier of 2 and CW contacts at 5 watts would have a power multiplier of 5.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> The Burlington County Radio Club has two camps of operators. The SSB operators need 100 watts to be competitive. The CW operators prefer the simplicity and challenge of QRP. In recent years, we have been trying to simplify our FD operation for ease of setup and tear down. QRP would be a step in that direction and a step towards FD's roots.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> If you think our idea has merit, send an email to CONTESTS at ARRL.ORG.   
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 73, Bob K2QPN
>> 
>> 
>> 
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From ken at arkayengravers.com  Sat Jul  1 19:26:48 2017
From: ken at arkayengravers.com (Ken Kaplan)
Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2017 19:26:48 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Engraved Elecraft bezels (off topic)
Message-ID: <b5a86d13-f3d6-1f75-23ff-cd2ba0b693ab@arkayengravers.com>

Fellow hams:
I'd like to thank all of you who used my services to engrave bezels for 
your Elecraft products. It is finally time for me to retire, after 
working in my dad's 70 year (1947-2017) old business since I was 12. 
Since I was licensed in 1962, it was great to have some bucks for radio 
equipment.
My wife and I will be (most likely) move to The Villages (FL). If any of 
you on the list live there, I would love to hear from you (off list at 
wb2art at arrl.net).
Hope all of you have a good 4th, and see you on the bands.
73
Ken WB2ART
Oakdale, NY
maybe The Villages,FL.


From ken at arkayengravers.com  Sun Jul  2 08:18:50 2017
From: ken at arkayengravers.com (Ken Kaplan)
Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2017 08:18:50 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Engraved Elecraft bezels (off topic)
Message-ID: <36b5f9a4-a9c6-30b2-1d46-d91cf3d8bae4@arkayengravers.com>

Hi all
I was asked if the bezels will continue to be engraved (or pad-printed 
in case of the K3s).
So far, the answer is no, unless someone else wants to pick it up.
I was planning to take the computer engraver with me, but it looks like 
it may be sold.
If anything changes, of course I will let the list know!
73
Ken WB2ART



From corvettedan at hotmail.com  Sun Jul  2 09:01:19 2017
From: corvettedan at hotmail.com (Dan T)
Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2017 13:01:19 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Please take me off Elecraft mailing list
Message-ID: <SN1PR18MB04488646B02F30126DD7C690ACD10@SN1PR18MB0448.namprd18.prod.outlook.com>


Not interested at this time. Thank you for a fantastic product and support!!!!??
Sent from my Western Electric rotary phone. 

From phystad at mac.com  Sun Jul  2 12:57:20 2017
From: phystad at mac.com (Phil Hystad)
Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2017 09:57:20 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 with KXPA100
Message-ID: <7E0F34E4-2751-43FE-936F-89FEB1781489@mac.com>

I plan to acquire the KXPA100 to use with my KX2 while at the home station.  Usually, I use my KX2 QRP in the field but I thought a 100-watt boost would be nice sometimes.  It is backup to my full K-Line.

Since I also have a second KAT500, I plan to NOT buy the internal antenna tuner with the KXPA100 (at this time).

The Fred Cady document describing the KPA500 and KAT500 describes an interface scenario of the KX3 with the KXPA100 ?> KPA500 ?> KAT500.  This configuration shows the need for a key line connection between KAT500 PTT relay and the KXPA100 (in addition to KPA500 which I will not be using).  Also, a keying cable between a KX3 to KXPA100 adapter and the KAT500 (which are part of the KXPA100 cable configuration kits that I will also be acquiring).

Is there anything other than described above that I need to know to support the KX2?>KXPA100?>KAT500 configuration?

73, phil, K7PEH


From kl7uw at acsalaska.net  Sun Jul  2 14:35:15 2017
From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole)
Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2017 10:35:15 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Inverter type generators used for FD?
Message-ID: <201707021836.v62Ia7BV021473@mail46c28.carrierzone.com>

Two comments:
1.  Our local ham club which consists of mainly HF CW guys, got two 
of the 2000i Honda units along with the slave kit to use when more 
than one would suffice.  The club equipped a 28 foot trailer as a 
mobile response communications unit with up to four operating 
positions and it is used with two yagis during FD.  One is 4-element 
20m mounted on a folding tower installed on a flat-bed trailer.  They 
can set up and be running in 30-minutes.  The Honda's do not seem to 
cause any electrical hash and usually set about 50 feet+ from the 
comms trailer.
2.  At home I run a 6500w Honda inverter which will run my whole 
household including my 8877 kilowatt HVPS or kilowatt 6m sspa.  It is 
permanently installed in a doghouse about twelve feet from the mains 
meter using a transfer switch.  I've noted no noise issues (RFI or 
audible).  Its super-quiet in slow-run mode and handles loads in the 
house including the well pump, furnace, and kitchen appliances.  It 
was not cheap, but we are often the only one with lights around the 
lake when the power goes off (which is frequent enough here in AK).

73, Ed - KL7UW
   http://www.kl7uw.com
Dubus-NA Business mail:
   dubususa at gmail.com 


From semaos at semaos.plus.com  Sun Jul  2 15:33:24 2017
From: semaos at semaos.plus.com (Christopher Soames)
Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2017 20:33:24 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] Old Style Sub Receiver Wanted
Message-ID: <666f712d-f724-1982-cd1b-ae84cfe175dc@semaos.plus.com>

Hi looking to fit the old type of Sub Receiver in my K3, however 
Elekraft don't have any they only have the new ones left.
Does anyone have an old style K3 sub receiver and synth card for sale? 
If so please drop me a line.
The fitting instructions would be good also.

I do not have the folding stuff for a complete upgrade including Synth 
cards at this time so need to upgrade in stages.

semaos at semaos.plus.com

Regards
Chris G0TZZ

From k9yeq at live.com  Sun Jul  2 16:26:55 2017
From: k9yeq at live.com (Bill Johnson)
Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2017 20:26:55 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 with KXPA100
In-Reply-To: <7E0F34E4-2751-43FE-936F-89FEB1781489@mac.com>
References: <7E0F34E4-2751-43FE-936F-89FEB1781489@mac.com>
Message-ID: <RO1P152MB09072A3539D30AAA96F212FD9CD10@RO1P152MB0907.LAMP152.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

Phil,  There is a different cable from the KX2 to the KXPA100.  It is an accessory as I recall.  The difference between the KX2 and KX3 and KXPA100 are different cables.  Other than that, the KXPA100 interface to KPA500 are the same for both radios.  How do I know this... I have done so myself.  I have used both the KX2 and KX3 rigs as backup.  The KX2 is now relegated to portable.

73,
Bill
K9YEQ

-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Phil Hystad
Sent: Sunday, July 2, 2017 11:57 AM
To: elecraft <Elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 with KXPA100

I plan to acquire the KXPA100 to use with my KX2 while at the home station.  Usually, I use my KX2 QRP in the field but I thought a 100-watt boost would be nice sometimes.  It is backup to my full K-Line.

Since I also have a second KAT500, I plan to NOT buy the internal antenna tuner with the KXPA100 (at this time).

The Fred Cady document describing the KPA500 and KAT500 describes an interface scenario of the KX3 with the KXPA100 ?> KPA500 ?> KAT500.  This configuration shows the need for a key line connection between KAT500 PTT relay and the KXPA100 (in addition to KPA500 which I will not be using).  Also, a keying cable between a KX3 to KXPA100 adapter and the KAT500 (which are part of the KXPA100 cable configuration kits that I will also be acquiring).

Is there anything other than described above that I need to know to support the KX2?>KXPA100?>KAT500 configuration?

73, phil, K7PEH

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From ron at cobi.biz  Sun Jul  2 18:24:31 2017
From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire)
Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2017 15:24:31 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3.  FD shutdown
In-Reply-To: <E69A6621-F606-4EBC-96C3-67F3D8437CB1@widomaker.com>
References: <E69A6621-F606-4EBC-96C3-67F3D8437CB1@widomaker.com>
Message-ID: <000001d2f381$fa9fe7c0$efdfb740$@biz>

If it was mine, I'd start by dropping it onto the operating desk from a
height of about 6 inches, onto the bottom feet and, if that didn't make it
quit, onto the side feet. 

I presume the cables you checked were external to the K3. There are a number
of coaxial cables with TMP connectors around the synthesizer and reference
oscillator boards the might be loose since they are simple friction fit
connectors. 

IF it is a K3/100, be sure the KPA3 amplifier module is fully seated and the
screws are in place. 

73, Ron AC7AC

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From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net
[mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Nr4c
Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2017 8:49 AM
To: elecraft
Subject: [Elecraft] K3. FD shutdown

My K3 (s/n 453x) has been used for FD and other outdoor events plus use at
home (till I  rec'd one of the first K3Ss). On at least 2 events in past
year it has exhibited little output power. Batteries were checked, cables
checked and replaced, to no avail. Display did not show SWR when TUNE button
pressed (only "--"). Another K3 was swapped in and everything was fine. 
I took radio home and it worked perfectly. 

This year at FD, it quit at around midnight. Even tried <12 W to verify LPA.
Result little or almost no power. Checked LPA screws but they were tight.
Voltage on radio was just above 12v on TX. Took it home and it shows no sign
of low power. It has worked well all week. 

Reloaded FW from Elecraft and reloaded last CONFIG file (May 2017 just
before first event of year and did TX cal at this time). 

Now hooked to dummy load and running stress test with FD CW msg on repeat. 

Anyone have ideas?

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill


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From w4as at miamisky.com  Sun Jul  2 20:30:51 2017
From: w4as at miamisky.com (Seb)
Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2017 20:30:51 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 Web Link Broken
Message-ID: <E9C712CB-1AB3-43BC-8D93-3B12D8C065AA@miamisky.com>

The subject says it all.  The website links to an older version of the KAT500 Utility, I was able to find the current one though.

73 de Sebastian, W4AS





From david.m.shoaf at gmail.com  Mon Jul  3 00:28:13 2017
From: david.m.shoaf at gmail.com (David Shoaf)
Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2017 21:28:13 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] KAT500 Web Link Broken
In-Reply-To: <E9C712CB-1AB3-43BC-8D93-3B12D8C065AA@miamisky.com>
References: <E9C712CB-1AB3-43BC-8D93-3B12D8C065AA@miamisky.com>
Message-ID: <1499056093697-7632210.post@n2.nabble.com>

Please see the Archive folder at the Elecraft FTP site here.
<ftp://ftp.elecraft.com/KAT500/firmware/>  

Cheers,

David



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From randy.vanvliet at gmail.com  Mon Jul  3 02:23:30 2017
From: randy.vanvliet at gmail.com (Randy van Vliet)
Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2017 23:23:30 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 for sale
Message-ID: <CAMiU-DV=r03r9EC29i2aBDSvKdQHdKrBW5=TtLsiX4NR63uuKQ@mail.gmail.com>

Is your K3 still for sale?

Regards,

Randy van Vliet W6RLV

From gary_mayfield at hotmail.com  Sun Jul  2 15:19:22 2017
From: gary_mayfield at hotmail.com (Gary)
Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2017 19:19:22 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] KX1 Builder's Alert
Message-ID: <CY4PR22MB0789CB675D7A2E42523FD68B8AD10@CY4PR22MB0789.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>

Howdy,

	I am adding the 30/80 board to a an older KX-1 and I need a copy of "KX1 Builder's Alert, Modifying Final Amplifier Choke L3" for instructions on how it should be re-wound.

	It's probably right in front of me, but I am not seeing it on the Elecraft web site and Google just points me to the 3080 instructions which I already have.

Thanks and 73,
Gary kk0sd

From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Mon Jul  3 07:10:01 2017
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2017 07:10:01 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KX1 Builder's Alert
In-Reply-To: <CY4PR22MB0789CB675D7A2E42523FD68B8AD10@CY4PR22MB0789.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>
References: <CY4PR22MB0789CB675D7A2E42523FD68B8AD10@CY4PR22MB0789.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <3ca05b73-be8a-d5ec-c181-3da6f7ef21ef@embarqmail.com>

Gary,

I think that Builder's Alert disappeared some time ago.
It is easy, just remove L3 and remove the turns and rewind it like any 
other toroid with 18 turns.  12 inches of red #26 wire will do it.
Wind in the same direction as the other toroids - if you wind it in the 
wrong direction, the core will want to sit sideways and interfere with 
the installation of the KXAT1.

If you have firmware 1.01 installed in that older KX1, you will need KX1 
Firmware 1.02.  That should be provided at no cost - tell the sales 
office that you purchased the KXB3080 option and need the firmware.  I 
believe that policy is still in place.

73,
Don W3FPR



On 7/2/2017 3:19 PM, Gary wrote:
> Howdy,
> 
> 	I am adding the 30/80 board to a an older KX-1 and I need a copy of "KX1 Builder's Alert, Modifying Final Amplifier Choke L3" for instructions on how it should be re-wound.
> 
> 	It's probably right in front of me, but I am not seeing it on the Elecraft web site and Google just points me to the 3080 instructions which I already have.
> 
> Thanks and 73,
> Gary kk0sd
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From indians at xsmail.com  Mon Jul  3 10:11:11 2017
From: indians at xsmail.com (Petr, OK1RP/M0SIS)
Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2017 07:11:11 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA1500
In-Reply-To: <F9E09B01-FC5E-4C0F-849D-A6976F0F9672@elecraft.com>
References: <1455817083878-7614288.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<07433BA3-3823-4230-B367-D9A0A5DDB595@woh.rr.com>
	<56c67088.8e59620a.3716f.ffffd445@mx.google.com>
	<56C67E0C.8030900@montac.com> <56C6803D.7060404@gmail.com>
	<1455871555886-7614313.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<56C6E90F.7060804@gmail.com> <56C6EB5E.1020208@gmail.com>
	<F9E09B01-FC5E-4C0F-849D-A6976F0F9672@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <1499091071147-7632215.post@n2.nabble.com>

http://www.elecraft.com/KPA1500/KPA1500.htm

...many thanks Wayne :)

73 - Petr, OK1RP



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From K2TK at att.net  Mon Jul  3 00:36:59 2017
From: K2TK at att.net (Bob)
Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2017 00:36:59 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3. FD shutdown
In-Reply-To: <000001d2f381$fa9fe7c0$efdfb740$@biz>
References: <E69A6621-F606-4EBC-96C3-67F3D8437CB1@widomaker.com>
	<000001d2f381$fa9fe7c0$efdfb740$@biz>
Message-ID: <f13222ec-53bc-7468-9015-590ca297f6e0@att.net>

Hi Ron.

        That and banging on it with a rubber mallet are valid percussive 
maintenance techniques.

73,
Bob
K2TK

On 7/2/2017 6:24 PM, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote:
> If it was mine, I'd start by dropping it onto the operating desk from a
> height of about 6 inches, onto the bottom feet and, if that didn't make it
> quit, onto the side feet.
> 
> I presume the cables you checked were external to the K3. There are a number
> of coaxial cables with TMP connectors around the synthesizer and reference
> oscillator boards the might be loose since they are simple friction fit
> connectors.
> 
> IF it is a K3/100, be sure the KPA3 amplifier module is fully seated and the
> screws are in place.
> 
> 73, Ron AC7AC
> 

From edauer at law.du.edu  Sun Jul  2 10:32:59 2017
From: edauer at law.du.edu (Dauer, Edward)
Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2017 14:32:59 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Keying CW in SSB Mode
Message-ID: <425B7793-79A1-4FE0-8773-E0BAC06290EA@law.du.edu>

I wonder if this explains something I ran into during FD.  On several occasions ? usually late at night ? I was able to do some running, all on CW.  Five or six times over several hours I heard stations calling me way off my frequency.  It seemed like a Khz or more, though I didn?t measure it at the time.  They were outside the passband and I heard them only when, after a CQ, I tuned the RIT widely on either side.  I wondered why that would be happening.  I certainly wasn?t the target of a pileup.  One possibility I thought of was that those callers had forgotten to cancel split after the last time they intended to use it.  But this thread about audio tones keying CW on SSB suggests another.  Is it possible that they were using CW keying on USB or LSB which resulted in a frequency offset of, typically, 600 (or, as Don suggests, 1200) Hz?  If so, it seems like it wouldn?t be a great strategy during a contest on a crowded band.

Ted, KN1CBR
    
    
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    Message: 22
    Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2017 00:20:39 -0400
    From: Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com>
    To: Terry Brown <n7tb at comcast.net>, elecraft at mailman.qth.net
    Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Fldigi and signallink question interfaced to
    	KX3
    Message-ID: <181f3ee7-f8be-56dc-46f1-14482198b9dc at embarqmail.com>
    Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
    
    sorry about the blank response.  It is late here and the fingers do not 
    work well.
    
    Fldigi uses audio tones for keying, and you need to be in SSB mode 
    (typically USB or DATA A) to transmit on the proper frequency - CW 
    included - but I would expect twice the sidetone pitch.
    Use DATA A mode when trying to send CW via the Fldigi CW mode.
    
    CW is "just another digital mode" although one that can be decoded by 
    the human brain for those who know morse.  It uses audio tones to send 
    CW, do the carrier frequency USB frequency will be the transmit 
    frequency plus the frequency for the sidetone in Fldigi.
    
    73,
    Don W3FPR
    
    On 6/29/2017 11:26 PM, Terry Brown wrote:
    > I have a KX3 connected to a Signalink and Fldigi.  It seems to work fine for
    > all the digital modes.  I can use it to decode CW, but have never sent CW.
    > I clicked on the CQ button and all that happened was that my transmitter
    > went into transmit mode, but nothing was transmitted.  If I  put the KX3 in
    > LSB it would transmit cw fine, but was always off frequency by the amount of
    > my sidetone.
    
 



From paul.wilton at tesco.net  Mon Jul  3 14:53:13 2017
From: paul.wilton at tesco.net (Paul Wilton)
Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2017 19:53:13 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] Idea for the P3
Message-ID: <8925D1A4-FAB0-4537-BEEA-229AA68859DA@tesco.net>

Having been playing around with the P3 for the first time, can I suggest a future feature please. Whilst the built in display is very nice, it would be helpful if it were possible to get the spectrum data in a PC in realtime (ish). There are a couple of applications for this but the main one is to integrate the waterfall/spectrum with DX spots. At the moment I run N1MM+ for VHF contesting. My station is optimised for Search and Pounce (S&P). I have an IF tap into my K2 and use a soft rock plus USB sound card to get a waterfall band map using Waterfall Bandmap(WBM).  WBM integrates with N1MM+ and shows cluster spots/stations I have worked) along the frequency axis. Hence if I see signals in the waterfall I can quickly see if I have worked/need them. 

N1MM+ has also introduced a similar spectrum display but that only works with the IC7300 or with WBM.  Hence it would be really great if the P3 could offer a data stream out. It would be something for that spare USB connector on the back panel of the SVGA option - although I appreciate that it would need new hardware. 

Just a thought

Paul
M1CNK





From fred at fmeco.com  Mon Jul  3 16:00:38 2017
From: fred at fmeco.com (Fred Moore)
Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2017 16:00:38 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Keying CW in SSB Mode
In-Reply-To: <425B7793-79A1-4FE0-8773-E0BAC06290EA@law.du.edu>
References: <425B7793-79A1-4FE0-8773-E0BAC06290EA@law.du.edu>
Message-ID: <fe623a85-d791-2386-21ad-4f288ed65d2b@fmeco.com>

Ted, it's not a great strategy any time, and yes most likely that is
what was going on.  You should see their signal when they have RF on the
audio or a hum.  Not exactly meets the FCC requirements.  If you are
listening with a wide filter some times you even get to hear their
Microsoft Windows generated tones if they forget to turn them off. 

Let the flood gates start with all of the "you can't tell the difference
so it's ok"  But I can and have seen it many times with bad signals..

It's not CW keying, its USB or LSB keying with a single tone.   It makes
me crazy when someone calls it CW keying, no way it is

Fred

Fred Moore
email: fred at fmeco.com
       wd8kni at gmail.com
phone: 321-217-8699

On 7/2/17 10:32 AM, Dauer, Edward wrote:
> I wonder if this explains something I ran into during FD.  On several occasions ? usually late at night ? I was able to do some running, all on CW.  Five or six times over several hours I heard stations calling me way off my frequency.  It seemed like a Khz or more, though I didn?t measure it at the time.  They were outside the passband and I heard them only when, after a CQ, I tuned the RIT widely on either side.  I wondered why that would be happening.  I certainly wasn?t the target of a pileup.  One possibility I thought of was that those callers had forgotten to cancel split after the last time they intended to use it.  But this thread about audio tones keying CW on SSB suggests another.  Is it possible that they were using CW keying on USB or LSB which resulted in a frequency offset of, typically, 600 (or, as Don suggests, 1200) Hz?  If so, it seems like it wouldn?t be a great strategy during a contest on a crowded band.
>
> Ted, KN1CBR
>     
>



From k6dgw at foothill.net  Mon Jul  3 16:38:21 2017
From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen)
Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2017 13:38:21 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Idea for the P3
In-Reply-To: <8925D1A4-FAB0-4537-BEEA-229AA68859DA@tesco.net>
References: <8925D1A4-FAB0-4537-BEEA-229AA68859DA@tesco.net>
Message-ID: <4be376b8-8c90-fcc0-fb32-b27356bb9763@foothill.net>

There is an option for the P3 that adds an SVGA video output [plus a few 
other features] which can drive a large monitor.  If however, you mean 
access to the internal data stream from the FFT, I don't believe it is 
available.

It would be a nice featurefor remote operators. I operate W7RN remotely 
from my home.  When my K3 is in TERM mode controlling the remote radio, 
my P3 sees the last frequency I was on locally +/- 10 KHz [I usually 
leave it on 20 KHz span], usually on 80 meters from the previous night.  
The K3 receiver, up to the ADC I think, is still operating in TERM mode, 
and I can see signals in that range.  The P3 is what I look at 99.5% of 
the time and I miss it when running remote.  The only option I would 
have now is about 60 km of RG-58 to bring the 1st IF down to my P3. [:-))

The REALLY cool option would be an IP interface and a P3-ish display for 
the control end, also with an IP interface.  I fear however that, 
although the number of remote operations is growing, it's still too 
small a market to make something like this profitable for Elecraft.

73,

Fred ("Skip") K6DGW
Sparks NV USA
Washoe County DM09dn

On 7/3/2017 11:53 AM, Paul Wilton wrote:
> Having been playing around with the P3 for the first time, can I suggest a future feature please. Whilst the built in display is very nice, it would be helpful if it were possible to get the spectrum data in a PC in realtime (ish). There are a couple of applications for this but the main one is to integrate the waterfall/spectrum with DX spots.


From frantz at pwpconsult.com  Mon Jul  3 16:53:56 2017
From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz)
Date: Mon,  3 Jul 2017 13:53:56 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Idea for the P3
In-Reply-To: <4be376b8-8c90-fcc0-fb32-b27356bb9763@foothill.net>
Message-ID: <r470Ps-10125i-1064F8FC7EDF4858A20F960D2E1202BB@Williams-MacBook-Pro.local>

Wayne has posted about using a device which sends VGA over IP to 
a remote location to display the P3 VGA display remotely. That 
is off-the-shelf hardware he got from, I think, Amazon.

73 Bill AE6JV

On 7/3/17 at 1:38 PM, k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) wrote:

>It would be a nice featurefor remote operators. I operate W7RN 
>remotely from my home.  When my K3 is in TERM mode controlling 
>the remote radio, my P3 sees the last frequency I was on 
>locally +/- 10 KHz [I usually leave it on 20 KHz span], usually 
>on 80 meters from the previous night.  The K3 receiver, up to 
>the ADC I think, is still operating in TERM mode, and I can see 
>signals in that range.  The P3 is what I look at 99.5% of the 
>time and I miss it when running remote.  The only option I 
>would have now is about 60 km of RG-58 to bring the 1st IF down 
>to my P3. [:-))
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From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Sun Jul  2 16:12:11 2017
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2017 16:12:11 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Old Style Sub Receiver Wanted
In-Reply-To: <666f712d-f724-1982-cd1b-ae84cfe175dc@semaos.plus.com>
References: <666f712d-f724-1982-cd1b-ae84cfe175dc@semaos.plus.com>
Message-ID: <bcb2311e-5d04-706f-4e22-54760d041d9d@embarqmail.com>

Chris,

You might have better success asking for an old synthesizer board that 
someone has removed when they upgraded the synth in their K3.
Then buy a new KRX3 with whatever filters that you want.
As far as I know, the only change to the KRX3 has been the change to new 
synthesizers and the capacitor that was added to the 8 volt regulator 
output.  That last change will not change the operation of the subRX.

If you do it that way, you will be certain to have all the pieces 
necessary to install the subRX and you can store the new synthesizer 
until the time comes when you are ready to spend the $200 for the other 
synthesizer board.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 7/2/2017 3:33 PM, Christopher Soames wrote:
> Hi looking to fit the old type of Sub Receiver in my K3, however 
> Elekraft don't have any they only have the new ones left.
> Does anyone have an old style K3 sub receiver and synth card for sale? 
> If so please drop me a line.
> The fitting instructions would be good also.

From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Mon Jul  3 19:17:29 2017
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2017 19:17:29 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Idea for the P3
In-Reply-To: <8925D1A4-FAB0-4537-BEEA-229AA68859DA@tesco.net>
References: <8925D1A4-FAB0-4537-BEEA-229AA68859DA@tesco.net>
Message-ID: <657ad2a1-a971-ed3a-f48d-a569de17db5a@embarqmail.com>

Paul,

The P3 does not have a digital data stream output, and I am certain what 
it has is not compatible with any input to the computer.
You can add the SVGA option to obtain a greatly enlarged display, 
keyboard support for entering data mode text or CW, and display of the 
K3 decoded PSK31/63, RTTY or CW.

If you want to continue to use the SoftRock in conjunction with the P3, 
there is an IF OUT from the P3 which will allow you to do exactly that.

BTW, some other hams used my K3 with P3 for the CW station at Field Day. 
  At several points they commented "It is like shooting fish in a 
barrel!".  They ended up looking at the P3 rather than at the K3 display 
most of the time although they tuned with the K3 VFO knob and did not 
try to point with the marker and tap the knob to QSY.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 7/3/2017 2:53 PM, Paul Wilton wrote:
> Having been playing around with the P3 for the first time, can I suggest a future feature please. Whilst the built in display is very nice, it would be helpful if it were possible to get the spectrum data in a PC in realtime (ish). There are a couple of applications for this but the main one is to integrate the waterfall/spectrum with DX spots. At the moment I run N1MM+ for VHF contesting. My station is optimised for Search and Pounce (S&P). I have an IF tap into my K2 and use a soft rock plus USB sound card to get a waterfall band map using Waterfall Bandmap(WBM).  WBM integrates with N1MM+ and shows cluster spots/stations I have worked) along the frequency axis. Hence if I see signals in the waterfall I can quickly see if I have worked/need them.
> 

From w0cz at i29.net  Mon Jul  3 20:04:16 2017
From: w0cz at i29.net (Kenneth Christiansen)
Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2017 19:04:16 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] W0CZ camping notes
Message-ID: <C959BA9B-745A-48C8-99D2-845BF106E45E@i29.net>

Hi to the group

I have been busy camping with my KX3,KXPA100, 12 volt battery and solar power. I will comment on things that have worked out well for me.

I have a 16 foot Scamp travel trailer. There are pictures on QRZ.COM for W0CZ

My antenna is a vertical which is 33 ft of speaker wire supported by a MFJ-1910 pole on the drawbar of my camper. I mounted a DX Engineering MAXI-CORE HIGH POWER MULTI-BAND UNUN DXE-UN-43 to the frame of the camper with the antenna to the +terminal and the frame of the camper to the - terminal. I ran 6 ft of RG8X to the KXPA100 with built in tuner and the KX3. My battery is a 110 amp deep discharge wet cell. The solar panel is 100 watts from Home Depot and I have a simple solar regulator the switches off at 14 volts DC and on at a lower voltage.

I find at 100 watts in bright sunlight the solar charges at about 4 amps while I am sending CW and drops back to almost nothing when I am receiving. I can discharge the battery on the air in the evening and if there is sunlight it charges back up in a few hours in the morning.

I ran 1B-ND at 5 watts battery and solar for field day. I had 174 contacts using all bands 80, 40,20,15, and 10. My furthest contact was Hawaii from North Dakota on 20. I felt the antenna did a good job on each band using only 5 watts.

I am camping at Lake Bemidji. State park in MN this week end. This morning I added a loading coil for 160 meters to this antenna and worked WB0BIN in Sabin, MN at 8:30AM. He is about 100 miles away and it was weak copy for both of us with 100 watts of SSB on each end but we talked for about 20 minutes. 

I do not use a loading coil on any band other than 160 although I could use it on 80.

One final thing. There was talk on this reflector earlier about the noise potential for Honda generators. The big camper beside me brought a Honda 3000 generator and has run it off and on all week end. He has it located about 20 ft from my antenna. I find there are powerful places of noise about 5 kHz wide that run about an S8 or -80 on my PX3. Away from these spots my noise is S0 to S1 with -115 to -105 on my PX3. These spots drift around when he first turns it on but than they tend to stay in one part of the band. The noise peaks were about 27 kHz apart. That may be one reason some people say the Honda makes a lot of noise and others do not see the noise. If the noise is where you want to work that is not good. I have been making contacts where the noise is low all week end. I am also finding no noise on 20 CW so maybe the higher frequencies are filtered.

In summary. My only major change to my system this year is the DX#-UN-43 and I feel it has made my antenna work much better. I base my opinion on all the contacts I am making easily on all bands this year compared to the frustration I had the last two years. Yesterday I worked a ham in Missouri running an MFJ-9020 at 5 watts and a vertical. We had a 45 minute QSO and that was before the Honda came. I ran the KX3 with preamp on, attenuator off and AF gain at 60 but we made it and I thought that was a good indication of the natural low noise level in the park. I have worked several 100 watt stations using dipoles and verticals and we are having about equal copy both directions.

73 and feel free to try or not any of my ideas.

Ken. W0CZ
w0cz at i29 dot net

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From ajzadiraka at gmail.com  Mon Jul  3 20:37:57 2017
From: ajzadiraka at gmail.com (Allan Zadiraka)
Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2017 20:37:57 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Idea for the P3
In-Reply-To: <657ad2a1-a971-ed3a-f48d-a569de17db5a@embarqmail.com>
References: <8925D1A4-FAB0-4537-BEEA-229AA68859DA@tesco.net>
	<657ad2a1-a971-ed3a-f48d-a569de17db5a@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAMoVco3q5p=nnQzjjHe-Rf2FmycZGYVtpGMvdoi5rKRY1doGtQ@mail.gmail.com>

The WIN4K3 rig control software provides control of the P3 as well as the
K3.  With a VGA capture card feeding the VGA image to the computer over a
USB 3.0 connection, the P3 is replicated in a resizeable window on the
computer. It adds the ability to point & click on the screen or use the
mouse roll wheel to tune the K3 frequency..  With it, I almost never look
at or touch the P3 itself and am thinking about moving the P3 off the
operating desk.

zeke,  ab8ou


On Mon, Jul 3, 2017 at 7:17 PM, Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com> wrote:

> Paul,
>
> The P3 does not have a digital data stream output, and I am certain what
> it has is not compatible with any input to the computer.
> You can add the SVGA option to obtain a greatly enlarged display, keyboard
> support for entering data mode text or CW, and display of the K3 decoded
> PSK31/63, RTTY or CW.
>
> If you want to continue to use the SoftRock in conjunction with the P3,
> there is an IF OUT from the P3 which will allow you to do exactly that.
>
> BTW, some other hams used my K3 with P3 for the CW station at Field Day.
> At several points they commented "It is like shooting fish in a barrel!".
> They ended up looking at the P3 rather than at the K3 display most of the
> time although they tuned with the K3 VFO knob and did not try to point with
> the marker and tap the knob to QSY.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 7/3/2017 2:53 PM, Paul Wilton wrote:
>
>> Having been playing around with the P3 for the first time, can I suggest
>> a future feature please. Whilst the built in display is very nice, it would
>> be helpful if it were possible to get the spectrum data in a PC in realtime
>> (ish). There are a couple of applications for this but the main one is to
>> integrate the waterfall/spectrum with DX spots. At the moment I run N1MM+
>> for VHF contesting. My station is optimised for Search and Pounce (S&P). I
>> have an IF tap into my K2 and use a soft rock plus USB sound card to get a
>> waterfall band map using Waterfall Bandmap(WBM).  WBM integrates with N1MM+
>> and shows cluster spots/stations I have worked) along the frequency axis.
>> Hence if I see signals in the waterfall I can quickly see if I have
>> worked/need them.
>>
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From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Mon Jul  3 16:42:28 2017
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2017 16:42:28 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Keying CW in SSB Mode
In-Reply-To: <fe623a85-d791-2386-21ad-4f288ed65d2b@fmeco.com>
References: <425B7793-79A1-4FE0-8773-E0BAC06290EA@law.du.edu>
	<fe623a85-d791-2386-21ad-4f288ed65d2b@fmeco.com>
Message-ID: <08550fb7-cf90-0caf-ae0b-d24106a70499@embarqmail.com>

All,

That may be true for CW sent by FLDIGI or another data mode application 
- it simply feeds a (hopefully) single tone to the SSB generator.

The K3 CW in SSB mode is different because it is real keyed CW from the 
paddles of keying input.  Yes, the carrier is shifted by the sidetone 
pitch so a station listening in SSB mode will hear the tone.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 7/3/2017 4:00 PM, Fred Moore wrote:
> Ted, it's not a great strategy any time, and yes most likely that is
> what was going on.  You should see their signal when they have RF on the
> audio or a hum.  Not exactly meets the FCC requirements.  If you are
> listening with a wide filter some times you even get to hear their
> Microsoft Windows generated tones if they forget to turn them off.
> 

From fcady at montana.edu  Mon Jul  3 22:49:16 2017
From: fcady at montana.edu (Cady, Fred)
Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2017 02:49:16 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Idea for the P3
In-Reply-To: <CAMoVco3q5p=nnQzjjHe-Rf2FmycZGYVtpGMvdoi5rKRY1doGtQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8925D1A4-FAB0-4537-BEEA-229AA68859DA@tesco.net>
	<657ad2a1-a971-ed3a-f48d-a569de17db5a@embarqmail.com>,
	<CAMoVco3q5p=nnQzjjHe-Rf2FmycZGYVtpGMvdoi5rKRY1doGtQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CY4PR02MB31418A2338E20BAB34859D1BAFD70@CY4PR02MB3141.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>

Hi Zeke,

What VGA capture card are you using?

Thanks,

Fred KE7X


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Sent: Monday, July 3, 2017 6:37 PM
To: donwilh at embarqmail.com
Cc: Elecraft Discussion List; Paul Wilton
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Idea for the P3

The WIN4K3 rig control software provides control of the P3 as well as the
K3.  With a VGA capture card feeding the VGA image to the computer over a
USB 3.0 connection, the P3 is replicated in a resizeable window on the
computer. It adds the ability to point & click on the screen or use the
mouse roll wheel to tune the K3 frequency..  With it, I almost never look
at or touch the P3 itself and am thinking about moving the P3 off the
operating desk.

zeke,  ab8ou


On Mon, Jul 3, 2017 at 7:17 PM, Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com> wrote:

> Paul,
>
> The P3 does not have a digital data stream output, and I am certain what
> it has is not compatible with any input to the computer.
> You can add the SVGA option to obtain a greatly enlarged display, keyboard
> support for entering data mode text or CW, and display of the K3 decoded
> PSK31/63, RTTY or CW.
>
> If you want to continue to use the SoftRock in conjunction with the P3,
> there is an IF OUT from the P3 which will allow you to do exactly that.
>
> BTW, some other hams used my K3 with P3 for the CW station at Field Day.
> At several points they commented "It is like shooting fish in a barrel!".
> They ended up looking at the P3 rather than at the K3 display most of the
> time although they tuned with the K3 VFO knob and did not try to point with
> the marker and tap the knob to QSY.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 7/3/2017 2:53 PM, Paul Wilton wrote:
>
>> Having been playing around with the P3 for the first time, can I suggest
>> a future feature please. Whilst the built in display is very nice, it would
>> be helpful if it were possible to get the spectrum data in a PC in realtime
>> (ish). There are a couple of applications for this but the main one is to
>> integrate the waterfall/spectrum with DX spots. At the moment I run N1MM+
>> for VHF contesting. My station is optimised for Search and Pounce (S&P). I
>> have an IF tap into my K2 and use a soft rock plus USB sound card to get a
>> waterfall band map using Waterfall Bandmap(WBM).  WBM integrates with N1MM+
>> and shows cluster spots/stations I have worked) along the frequency axis.
>> Hence if I see signals in the waterfall I can quickly see if I have
>> worked/need them.
>>
>> ______________________________________________________________
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From kq5stom at gmail.com  Sun Jul  2 15:50:01 2017
From: kq5stom at gmail.com (Tom-KQ5S)
Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2017 14:50:01 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Shift Setting for WSJTX
Message-ID: <CABBJzNjCBg03WuihJi+WHPiOpSrGJ6XNhg8WjYVfD6=bqgK93w@mail.gmail.com>

Hope this is not a dupe.  I sent it over an hour ago and nothing showed up.

I am trying to tweak my WSJTX setup.  What is the recommended shift for the
K3S while running WSJTX?  I have the 2.8 khz SSB filter installed.  I am
using a width of 4 khz and using the radio in split mode.


73,
Tom - KQ5S

From cbjesseeNH at comcast.net  Mon Jul  3 08:39:06 2017
From: cbjesseeNH at comcast.net (MaverickNH)
Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2017 05:39:06 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] [K3S] "Hardware Sequencer" WSJT-X?
Message-ID: <1499085546386-7632214.post@n2.nabble.com>

As in WSJT-X 1.70 online help:  "Set Tx delay to a number larger than the
default 0.2 s to create a larger delay between execution of a command to
enable PTT and onset of Tx audio.

For the health of your T/R relays and external preamplifier, we strongly
recommend using a hardware sequencer and testing to make sure that
sequencing is correct."

What would this "hardware sequencer" and need I be concerned with a K3S?

Bret/N4SRN



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From wa4ywm at comcast.net  Mon Jul  3 16:37:38 2017
From: wa4ywm at comcast.net (Elmore's)
Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2017 16:37:38 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Raspberry Pi, K2 and WSJT-X questions
Message-ID: <66286B91A5B3462592222D99E5E89A0F@Mainpc2>

Has anyone figured out how to control a K2 from RPi running WSJT-X (or FLDIGI,etc.)?

Also, has anyone been able to run a digital program using a USB soundcard? I have a Star Tech 7.1 connected to my RPi. At the moment I am trying to get it to work with WSJT-X.

I am running Debian Jessie.

The sound card is recognized by the OS. When I run WSJT-X and select the Audio tab and select the Input drop down, there is a list of 22 sound cards none of which is the USB card. A similar issue exists on the Output selection. I don?t understand what I am seeing. How do I get to see the USB card in WSJT-X?

Note that I have made forum postings on WSPRnet and RPi ham Yahoo groups without yet getting a solution.

I hope someone can help with this very frustrating situation. Also note that this is my first experience with a RPi and my Linux knowledge is limited.

73,
Jim WA4YWM

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From dk2lo at gmx.de  Tue Jul  4 04:55:50 2017
From: dk2lo at gmx.de (Olaf Achterberg)
Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2017 10:55:50 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] K-Keys software discontinued, any alternative available?
Message-ID: <trinity-04ef7f90-2063-41cf-aaa9-f773591aaa68-1499158550168@3capp-gmx-bs59>


From k2av.guy at gmail.com  Mon Jul  3 11:23:29 2017
From: k2av.guy at gmail.com (Guy Olinger K2AV)
Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2017 15:23:29 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] K3. FD shutdown
In-Reply-To: <f13222ec-53bc-7468-9015-590ca297f6e0@att.net>
References: <E69A6621-F606-4EBC-96C3-67F3D8437CB1@widomaker.com>
	<000001d2f381$fa9fe7c0$efdfb740$@biz>
	<f13222ec-53bc-7468-9015-590ca297f6e0@att.net>
Message-ID: <CANckpc05HmiDpn6OZd0Urijnetiv5ZvR2AEuzgOPOfe4zi6iDg@mail.gmail.com>

TMP connectors that were never fully seated are a common cause of such
issues. When fully inserted, the little wings of the male plug should be
right up against the shell of the female receptacle.

73, Guy K2AV

On Mon, Jul 3, 2017 at 10:51 AM Bob <K2TK at att.net> wrote:

> Hi Ron.
>
>         That and banging on it with a rubber mallet are valid percussive
> maintenance techniques.
>
> 73,
> Bob
> K2TK
>
> On 7/2/2017 6:24 PM, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote:
> > If it was mine, I'd start by dropping it onto the operating desk from a
> > height of about 6 inches, onto the bottom feet and, if that didn't make
> it
> > quit, onto the side feet.
> >
> > I presume the cables you checked were external to the K3. There are a
> number
> > of coaxial cables with TMP connectors around the synthesizer and
> reference
> > oscillator boards the might be loose since they are simple friction fit
> > connectors.
> >
> > IF it is a K3/100, be sure the KPA3 amplifier module is fully seated and
> the
> > screws are in place.
> >
> > 73, Ron AC7AC
> >
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From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Tue Jul  4 07:55:30 2017
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2017 07:55:30 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] [K3S] "Hardware Sequencer" WSJT-X?
In-Reply-To: <1499085546386-7632214.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1499085546386-7632214.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <da52e83e-fae7-0833-1950-48a79d184a82@embarqmail.com>

Bret,

If you are running with external amplifiers or external preamps that use 
relays for T/R switching, then you need to be concerned.
For the K3/K3S itself, no problem.  The switching is all electronic and 
very fast.  That is true for the entire K-Line.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 7/3/2017 8:39 AM, MaverickNH wrote:
> As in WSJT-X 1.70 online help:  "Set Tx delay to a number larger than the
> default 0.2 s to create a larger delay between execution of a command to
> enable PTT and onset of Tx audio.
> 
> For the health of your T/R relays and external preamplifier, we strongly
> recommend using a hardware sequencer and testing to make sure that
> sequencing is correct."
> 

From ua9cdc at gmail.com  Tue Jul  4 08:02:34 2017
From: ua9cdc at gmail.com (Igor Sokolov)
Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2017 17:02:34 +0500
Subject: [Elecraft] W0CZ camping notes
In-Reply-To: <C959BA9B-745A-48C8-99D2-845BF106E45E@i29.net>
References: <C959BA9B-745A-48C8-99D2-845BF106E45E@i29.net>
Message-ID: <926e81d3-671c-7fa9-1bf9-bc69befc5e50@gmail.com>

Ken,

Thanks for sharing your ideas and experience. Some optimistic figures 
you give pose some additional questions though. Since you say the solar 
panel gives you 4 amp at 14v in bright sunlight, it means you get about 
56W from the 100W panel. Is that right?

Then your battery of 110 amp can probably be used down to it's half 
capacity (55 AH). To charge it back to full capacity with 4A panel you 
need at least 13 hours of bright sunlight e.g the whole day rather then 
few hours in the morning.

Regarding Honda noise it may well be that you hear noise of some device 
powered by Honda rather then Honda gen itself. Cellphone charger can 
easily produce bursts of noise spaced 27KHz apart. Are you sure the 
generator itself is the source of noise?


73, Igor UA9CDC




04.07.2017 5:04, Kenneth Christiansen ?????:
> Hi to the group
>
> I have been busy camping with my KX3,KXPA100, 12 volt battery and solar power. I will comment on things that have worked out well for me.
>
> I have a 16 foot Scamp travel trailer. There are pictures on QRZ.COM for W0CZ
>
> My antenna is a vertical which is 33 ft of speaker wire supported by a MFJ-1910 pole on the drawbar of my camper. I mounted a DX Engineering MAXI-CORE HIGH POWER MULTI-BAND UNUN DXE-UN-43 to the frame of the camper with the antenna to the +terminal and the frame of the camper to the - terminal. I ran 6 ft of RG8X to the KXPA100 with built in tuner and the KX3. My battery is a 110 amp deep discharge wet cell. The solar panel is 100 watts from Home Depot and I have a simple solar regulator the switches off at 14 volts DC and on at a lower voltage.
>
> I find at 100 watts in bright sunlight the solar charges at about 4 amps while I am sending CW and drops back to almost nothing when I am receiving. I can discharge the battery on the air in the evening and if there is sunlight it charges back up in a few hours in the morning.
>
> I ran 1B-ND at 5 watts battery and solar for field day. I had 174 contacts using all bands 80, 40,20,15, and 10. My furthest contact was Hawaii from North Dakota on 20. I felt the antenna did a good job on each band using only 5 watts.
>
> I am camping at Lake Bemidji. State park in MN this week end. This morning I added a loading coil for 160 meters to this antenna and worked WB0BIN in Sabin, MN at 8:30AM. He is about 100 miles away and it was weak copy for both of us with 100 watts of SSB on each end but we talked for about 20 minutes.
>
> I do not use a loading coil on any band other than 160 although I could use it on 80.
>
> One final thing. There was talk on this reflector earlier about the noise potential for Honda generators. The big camper beside me brought a Honda 3000 generator and has run it off and on all week end. He has it located about 20 ft from my antenna. I find there are powerful places of noise about 5 kHz wide that run about an S8 or -80 on my PX3. Away from these spots my noise is S0 to S1 with -115 to -105 on my PX3. These spots drift around when he first turns it on but than they tend to stay in one part of the band. The noise peaks were about 27 kHz apart. That may be one reason some people say the Honda makes a lot of noise and others do not see the noise. If the noise is where you want to work that is not good. I have been making contacts where the noise is low all week end. I am also finding no noise on 20 CW so maybe the higher frequencies are filtered.
>
> In summary. My only major change to my system this year is the DX#-UN-43 and I feel it has made my antenna work much better. I base my opinion on all the contacts I am making easily on all bands this year compared to the frustration I had the last two years. Yesterday I worked a ham in Missouri running an MFJ-9020 at 5 watts and a vertical. We had a 45 minute QSO and that was before the Honda came. I ran the KX3 with preamp on, attenuator off and AF gain at 60 but we made it and I thought that was a good indication of the natural low noise level in the park. I have worked several 100 watt stations using dipoles and verticals and we are having about equal copy both directions.
>
> 73 and feel free to try or not any of my ideas.
>
> Ken. W0CZ
> w0cz at i29 dot net
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>
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From K5MWR_VNA at yahoo.com  Tue Jul  4 08:17:13 2017
From: K5MWR_VNA at yahoo.com (K5MWR)
Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2017 07:17:13 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Norton and P3 Utility
Message-ID: <f79dab14-edbb-e7b6-9954-213e3704ab8b@yahoo.com>

Don't know if anyone else has experienced this but this morning I get 
this message from Norton that the P3utility program is a threat named 
"Heur.AdvML.C" and that P3Utility.exe has been removed.

Don't know if the recent major upgrade of Windows had any effect or most 
likely it is due to the low number of P3Utility users that also have 
Norton installed as they show less than 100 users.

Expect this is just another of those cases where Norton is flagging 
because of few users so just going to reload.

Pasted below is the Norton explanation.  No need to flame Norton, I 
understand its peculiarities just posted for information only.

73 Dave K5MWR


Filename: p3utility.exe
Threat name: Heur.AdvML.CFull Path: c:\program files (x86)\elecraft\p3 
utility\p3utility.exe

____________________________

____________________________


On computers as of
11/27/2016 at 10:45:58 AM

Last Used
7/4/2017 at 07:07:08 AM

Startup Item
No

Launched
No

Threat type: Heuristic Virus. Detection of a threat based on malware 
heuristics.


____________________________


p3utility.exe Threat name: Heur.AdvML.C
Locate


Few Users
Fewer than 100 users in the Norton Community have used this file.

Mature
This file was released 1 year 4 months ago.

High
This file risk is high.


____________________________


Source: External Media

Source File:
p3utility.exe

____________________________

File Actions

File: c:\program files (x86)\elecraft\p3 utility\ p3utility.exe Removed
____________________________



From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Tue Jul  4 09:05:17 2017
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2017 08:05:17 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Shift Setting for WSJTX
In-Reply-To: <CABBJzNjCBg03WuihJi+WHPiOpSrGJ6XNhg8WjYVfD6=bqgK93w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABBJzNjCBg03WuihJi+WHPiOpSrGJ6XNhg8WjYVfD6=bqgK93w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6a0b7366-95a7-acf6-0ffc-20c14195175d@blomand.net>

Why split?  The K3S should be in Data A mode and should switch to Data 
when you allow WSJT-X to connect.   Typical bandwidth for receive is 2.4 
kHz to 2.7 kHz.    If you switch to JT-9 via the software then the radio 
should move up band 2 kHz.

This is all configured in the  Settings F2 menu of WSJT-X.  If you need 
screen shots, I can provide such.

73

Bob, K4TAX


On 7/2/2017 2:50 PM, Tom-KQ5S wrote:
> Hope this is not a dupe.  I sent it over an hour ago and nothing showed up.
>
> I am trying to tweak my WSJTX setup.  What is the recommended shift for the
> K3S while running WSJTX?  I have the 2.8 khz SSB filter installed.  I am
> using a width of 4 khz and using the radio in split mode.
>
>
> 73,
> Tom - KQ5S
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From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Tue Jul  4 09:10:15 2017
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2017 08:10:15 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Raspberry Pi, K2 and WSJT-X questions
In-Reply-To: <66286B91A5B3462592222D99E5E89A0F@Mainpc2>
References: <66286B91A5B3462592222D99E5E89A0F@Mainpc2>
Message-ID: <83e9a5d5-1d91-8f51-ec34-d573b50a8ae1@blomand.net>

While I run WSJT-X for JT-65 and JT-9, I use the radio to computer USB 
cable for communications and audio.  Of course I'm running Windows 10.   
Everything works great and very simple to set up and operate.

While your preference is Linux, seems you are making the issue much more 
complex than necessary.  I can't assist with any of the applications you 
reference.

73

Bob, K4TAX


On 7/3/2017 3:37 PM, Elmore's wrote:
> Has anyone figured out how to control a K2 from RPi running WSJT-X (or FLDIGI,etc.)?
>
> Also, has anyone been able to run a digital program using a USB soundcard? I have a Star Tech 7.1 connected to my RPi. At the moment I am trying to get it to work with WSJT-X.
>
> I am running Debian Jessie.
>
> The sound card is recognized by the OS. When I run WSJT-X and select the Audio tab and select the Input drop down, there is a list of 22 sound cards none of which is the USB card. A similar issue exists on the Output selection. I don?t understand what I am seeing. How do I get to see the USB card in WSJT-X?
>
> Note that I have made forum postings on WSPRnet and RPi ham Yahoo groups without yet getting a solution.
>
> I hope someone can help with this very frustrating situation. Also note that this is my first experience with a RPi and my Linux knowledge is limited.
>
> 73,
> Jim WA4YWM
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From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Tue Jul  4 09:32:55 2017
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2017 08:32:55 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Keying CW in SSB Mode
In-Reply-To: <425B7793-79A1-4FE0-8773-E0BAC06290EA@law.du.edu>
References: <425B7793-79A1-4FE0-8773-E0BAC06290EA@law.du.edu>
Message-ID: <c7627640-b56b-203e-c042-7add21958745@blomand.net>

Using audio tones in LSB or USB mode for CW is risky business. Any 
amount of over drive or excessive audio anywhere in the system, 
computer, software, radio and such WILL cause problems. Same for hum or 
distortion of the audio, specially if impacted by a wee bit of RF in the 
audio.

I don't advise using this method unless one is very sure they have the 
system optimized for most any digital mode.  The K3S is ideal in as much 
as one can use DATA A mode and not be concerned with the LSB or USB 
offset.  Plus a single cable between the radio and computer is all that 
is required to be successful for CW or the DATA modes.

If your software provides CW via the KY CMD, as in HRD/DM780, this is 
direct CW and is handled in the CW mode by the K3S. Sweet!

73

Bob, K4TAX


On 7/2/2017 9:32 AM, Dauer, Edward wrote:
> I wonder if this explains something I ran into during FD.  On several occasions ? usually late at night ? I was able to do some running, all on CW.  Five or six times over several hours I heard stations calling me way off my frequency.  It seemed like a Khz or more, though I didn?t measure it at the time.  They were outside the passband and I heard them only when, after a CQ, I tuned the RIT widely on either side.  I wondered why that would be happening.  I certainly wasn?t the target of a pileup.  One possibility I thought of was that those callers had forgotten to cancel split after the last time they intended to use it.  But this thread about audio tones keying CW on SSB suggests another.  Is it possible that they were using CW keying on USB or LSB which resulted in a frequency offset of, typically, 600 (or, as Don suggests, 1200) Hz?  If so, it seems like it wouldn?t be a great strategy during a contest on a crowded band.
>
> Ted, KN1CBR
>      
>      
>     



From richard at lamont.me.uk  Tue Jul  4 10:54:24 2017
From: richard at lamont.me.uk (Richard Lamont)
Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2017 15:54:24 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] Raspberry Pi, K2 and WSJT-X questions
In-Reply-To: <66286B91A5B3462592222D99E5E89A0F@Mainpc2>
References: <66286B91A5B3462592222D99E5E89A0F@Mainpc2>
Message-ID: <8e330292-69be-4781-4db9-62c42c6cf4f1@lamont.me.uk>

On 03/07/17 21:37, Elmore's wrote:
> Has anyone figured out how to control a K2 from RPi running WSJT-X (or FLDIGI,etc.)?
> 
> Also, has anyone been able to run a digital program using a USB soundcard? I have a Star Tech 7.1 connected to my RPi. At the moment I am trying to get it to work with WSJT-X.
> 
> I am running Debian Jessie.
> 
> The sound card is recognized by the OS. When I run WSJT-X and select the Audio tab and select the Input drop down, there is a list of 22 sound cards none of which is the USB card. A similar issue exists on the Output selection. I don?t understand what I am seeing. How do I get to see the USB card in WSJT-X?
> 
> Note that I have made forum postings on WSPRnet and RPi ham Yahoo groups without yet getting a solution.
> 
> I hope someone can help with this very frustrating situation. Also note that this is my first experience with a RPi and my Linux knowledge is limited.

The soundcard you're looking for may appear under a different name.

Try looking in WSJT-X File->Settings->Audio for one that begins
"alsa_input.usb" for the WSJT-X input device, and "alsa_output.usb" for
the WSJT-X output device.

73,
Richard G4DYA

From kq5stom at gmail.com  Sun Jul  2 14:12:48 2017
From: kq5stom at gmail.com (Tom-KQ5S)
Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2017 13:12:48 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Shift for WSJTX
Message-ID: <CABBJzNjeTi-YXZu8Z3dC2i6Bn41ur=BAThFb-57dFeKGu7oHRg@mail.gmail.com>

I am trying to tweak my WSJTX setup.  What is the recommended shift for the
K3S while running WSJTX?  I have the 2.8 khz SSB filter installed.  I am
using a width of 4 khz and using the radio in split mode.


73,
Tom - KQ5S

From kl7uw at acsalaska.net  Sun Jul  2 14:56:26 2017
From: kl7uw at acsalaska.net (Edward R Cole)
Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2017 10:56:26 -0800
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Inverter type generators used for FD?
Message-ID: <201707021856.v62IuRbv022706@mail46c28.carrierzone.com>

I just posted about having a Honda home gen.

Interesting to note what 80m and 20m sounds like when there is a 
commercial power outage:  normal S5-S6 noise floor drops to S2 (even 
when I run my Honda and the "rest of the world" is dark).  Years ago 
(1980's) I lived off the grid in a little cabin and 80m noise floor 
was S0; boy could I hear and work them!  Later (1979) the utility ran 
wires into my area and noise rose to S3-S4 (those were pre-wifi; now 
it would be higher).  This was a town of 150 people 50-miles from the 
nearest other town.

73, Ed - KL7UW
------------------------------------------
Jim Brown wrote:

My goals are to be able to work QRP stations and home stations with
lousy antennas. To do that, you've gotta be nutso about killing RX
noise. Do the math -- the difference between S3 and S6 is 15-18 dB,
depending on whose definition of an S-unit you accept. 15 dB is a 32x
power difference, 18 dB is 64x. 15 dB more noise makes a 100W signal
sound like a 3W signal.


73, Ed - KL7UW
   http://www.kl7uw.com
Dubus-NA Business mail:
   dubususa at gmail.com 


From ghyoungman at gmail.com  Sun Jul  2 15:41:57 2017
From: ghyoungman at gmail.com (GRANT YOUNGMAN)
Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2017 15:41:57 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Old Style Sub Receiver Wanted
In-Reply-To: <666f712d-f724-1982-cd1b-ae84cfe175dc@semaos.plus.com>
References: <666f712d-f724-1982-cd1b-ae84cfe175dc@semaos.plus.com>
Message-ID: <9AC26FC0-6628-4A20-9F2E-CD9494A6537C@gmail.com>

Old style?? What are you talking about?


> On Jul 2, 2017, at 3:33 PM, Christopher Soames <semaos at semaos.plus.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi looking to fit the old type of Sub Receiver in my K3, however Elekraft don't have any they only have the new ones left.
> Does anyone have an old style K3 sub receiver and synth card for sale? If so please drop me a line.
> The fitting instructions would be good also.
> 
> I do not have the folding stuff for a complete upgrade including Synth cards at this time so need to upgrade in stages.
> 
> semaos at semaos.plus.com
> 
> Regards
> Chris G0TZZ
> ______________________________________________________________
> 

Grant NQ5T
K3 #2091, KX3 #8342




From k2asp at kanafi.org  Sun Jul  2 16:44:22 2017
From: k2asp at kanafi.org (Phil Kane)
Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2017 13:44:22 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] (OT) It finally died...
Message-ID: <c318524c-e45d-743a-3cbc-7cd3be19e7b2@kanafi.org>

 32 years ago I acquired a Kenwood R-5000 Communications Receiver
(LF-MF-HF) that had been used as a SWL RX and traded in by the original
owner.  It must be nearly 40 years old and it finally died - synthesizer
and display quit and I have neither the facilities nor the dexterity or
visual acuity to make any repairs in it.  (Sometimes we reach that point...)

Now I need to replace it.    My K2 has a great receiver but limited to
ham bands - I do quite a bit of monitoring on HF outside of the ham
bands (SSB, RTTY, SITOR).  I've used a Ten-Tec RX320D SDR but it was
made for SWL use and doesn't have the necessary sensitivity to do the
job and TT abandoned it years ago.

Anyone have a suggestion for replacement?  Something like the receive
section of a K3s would be nice... :)

----

73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane
Elecraft K2/100   s/n 5402

>From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest
Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon

From nr4c at widomaker.com  Sun Jul  2 16:49:56 2017
From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c)
Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2017 16:49:56 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Engraved Elecraft bezels (off topic)
In-Reply-To: <36b5f9a4-a9c6-30b2-1d46-d91cf3d8bae4@arkayengravers.com>
References: <36b5f9a4-a9c6-30b2-1d46-d91cf3d8bae4@arkayengravers.com>
Message-ID: <7D9AF4A7-D1B5-46D5-89F9-6A28A0064CB5@widomaker.com>

Ken 

I am sad that you are giving up the business.  But, congrats on your retirement. I will miss your products but am glad I have most of my stuff already adorned with your art work!
 
God be with you on your journey into retirement. 

FWIW:  Now you'll get to know being a busy man really means. 

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill


> On Jul 2, 2017, at 8:18 AM, Ken Kaplan <ken at arkayengravers.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi all
> I was asked if the bezels will continue to be engraved (or pad-printed in case of the K3s).
> So far, the answer is no, unless someone else wants to pick it up.
> I was planning to take the computer engraver with me, but it looks like it may be sold.
> If anything changes, of course I will let the list know!
> 73
> Ken WB2ART
> 
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From k6dgw at foothill.net  Sun Jul  2 19:51:31 2017
From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen)
Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2017 16:51:31 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3. FD shutdown
In-Reply-To: <E69A6621-F606-4EBC-96C3-67F3D8437CB1@widomaker.com>
References: <E69A6621-F606-4EBC-96C3-67F3D8437CB1@widomaker.com>
Message-ID: <06c2f61f-0fe1-ed01-d870-2a61992d6d2a@foothill.net>

This is similar to the fellow who tells his doctor, "It hurts when I do 
this." Doctor replies, "Don't do that. Fifty bucks, pay on the way 
out."  In your case, your K3 doesn't like FD, "don't do that." [:-)

Seriously, with that low a serial # [mine is 642], strange things can 
and do happen. I took mine to Pershing County NV for the 7QP.  It worked 
fine. When I got back home, it didn't and I was really carefulpacking it 
into the truck. Based on an almost countable infinity of previous posts 
here over the years, I pulled and reseated the front panel, and made 
sure all the TMP connectors were fully seated.  Now it works like its 
old self.  Your symptoms are a little different... it doesn't like FD 
... and it works now, but you might give that a try and then wait til 
the end of June 2018 to see if it fixed the problem[s].

Some of the switches on mine are getting a bit unreliable, sometimes 
BAND DOWN disables the ATU.  Wife has a needlepoint hobby which is every 
bit as expensive as ham radio, at least at my level[my stuff is more 
expensive, but she buys A LOT more of hers than I do mine, and then she 
pays to have Ian frame it].  We have an "Equal Hobby Allowance" policy, 
I'm waaay ahead in my account, I may sell may at a real discount to some 
young new ham who needs a radio and get a shiny new K3s.

73,

Fred ("Skip") K6DGW
Sparks NV USA
Washoe County DM09dn

On 6/29/2017 8:49 AM, Nr4c wrote:
> My K3 (s/n 453x) has been used for FD and other outdoor events plus use at home (till I  rec'd one of the first K3Ss). On at least 2 events in past year it has exhibited little output power. Batteries were checked, cables checked and replaced, to no avail. Display did not show SWR when TUNE button pressed (only "--"). Another K3 was swapped in and everything was fine.
> I took radio home and it worked perfectly.
>
> This year at FD, it quit at around midnight. Even tried <12 W to verify LPA. Result little or almost no power. Checked LPA screws but they were tight.  Voltage on radio was just above 12v on TX. Took it home and it shows no sign of low power. It has worked well all week.
>
> Reloaded FW from Elecraft and reloaded last CONFIG file (May 2017 just before first event of year and did TX cal at this time).
>
> Now hooked to dummy load and running stress test with FD CW msg on repeat.
>
> Anyone have ideas?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
> ...nr4c. bill
>
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From gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk  Mon Jul  3 06:58:31 2017
From: gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk (David Anderson)
Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2017 11:58:31 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] Fldigi and signallink question interfaced to KX3
In-Reply-To: <007501d2f150$b01d17a0$105746e0$@comcast.net>
References: <007501d2f150$b01d17a0$105746e0$@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <D01F365C-16D1-4ABD-AE34-C0AC02C2DC2F@yahoo.co.uk>

This is a repeat of an email that I sent to Terry and the list, and which didn't make it to the list last week, so am trying again after some changes have made by the powers that be. 

Terry,

It appears that Fldigi uses audio keying rather than real CW. So you will use the same setup that you have for other Digital modes within Fldigi and your Signalink.

Details are at:

http://www.w1hkj.com/FldigiHelp-3.21/html/cw_configuration_page.html

73 from David GM4JJJ

> On 30 Jun 2017, at 04:26, Terry Brown <n7tb at comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> I have a KX3 connected to a Signalink and Fldigi.  It seems to work fine for
> all the digital modes.  I can use it to decode CW, but have never sent CW.
> I clicked on the CQ button and all that happened was that my transmitter
> went into transmit mode, but nothing was transmitted.  If I  put the KX3 in
> LSB it would transmit cw fine, but was always off frequency by the amount of
> my sidetone.  
> 
> 
> 
> Will fldigi send CW correctly in cw mode on the KX3?  If so, what am I doing
> wrong.
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> 
> 
> Terry
> 
> 
> 
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From ghyoungman at gmail.com  Tue Jul  4 08:37:46 2017
From: ghyoungman at gmail.com (GRANT YOUNGMAN)
Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2017 08:37:46 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Norton and P3 Utility
In-Reply-To: <f79dab14-edbb-e7b6-9954-213e3704ab8b@yahoo.com>
References: <f79dab14-edbb-e7b6-9954-213e3704ab8b@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <67E182CA-64E1-463B-897C-53675171763B@gmail.com>

I have seen numerous reports of this particular Norton heuristic showing up in what smells like false positives in many cases, although you can?t just discount the possibility I suppose.  Neither Kaspersky nor BitDefender have ever found anything awry with P3Utility on systems I use.

You can send the exe file to Norton, supposedly for ?further analysis? at https://submit.symantec.com/false_positive/ <https://submit.symantec.com/false_positive/>.  Whether or not they actually do anything with it is anyone?s guess, but I?ll take them at their word that they might at least put P3Utility in ?exonerated? status if they find nothing wrong with it.  I got tired years ago of Norton spending most of it?s time just getting in the way, that I dumped it.  YMMV ? 


Grant NQ5T
K3 #2091, KX3 #8342


On Jul 4, 2017, at 8:17 AM, K5MWR via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
> 
> Don't know if anyone else has experienced this but this morning I get this message from Norton that the P3utility program is a threat named "Heur.AdvML.C" and that P3Utility.exe has been removed.
> 
> Don't know if the recent major upgrade of Windows had any effect or most likely it is due to the low number of P3Utility users that also have Norton installed as they show less than 100 users.
> 
> Expect this is just another of those cases where Norton is flagging because of few users so just going to reload.
> 
> Pasted below is the Norton explanation.  No need to flame Norton, I understand its peculiarities just posted for information only.
> 
> 73 Dave K5MWR
> 
> 
> Filename: p3utility.exe
> Threat name: Heur.AdvML.CFull Path: c:\program files (x86)\elecraft\p3 utility\p3utility.exe
> 


From edauer at law.du.edu  Mon Jul  3 10:29:34 2017
From: edauer at law.du.edu (Dauer, Edward)
Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2017 14:29:34 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] IC R8600
Message-ID: <1FEFFCDA-7331-4AFF-83ED-2BC263672F77@law.du.edu>

Has anyone yet had their hands on the newly released ICOM (admittedly a four-letter word) R8600?  Any impressions to share?

Ted, KN1CBR


From ai6do at yahoo.com  Mon Jul  3 15:41:31 2017
From: ai6do at yahoo.com (Ryan Noguchi)
Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2017 19:41:31 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] Keying CW in SSB Mode
In-Reply-To: <425B7793-79A1-4FE0-8773-E0BAC06290EA@law.du.edu>
References: <425B7793-79A1-4FE0-8773-E0BAC06290EA@law.du.edu>
Message-ID: <568697767.3708734.1499110891801@mail.yahoo.com>

>Five or six times over several hours I heard stations calling me way off my frequency.? It seemed like a Khz or more, though I didn?t measure it at the time...>Is it possible that they were using CW keying on USB or LSB which resulted in a frequency offset of, typically, 600 (or, as Don suggests, 1200) Hz?


Yes, I think I experienced this last weekend. I answered a CQ on 6M SSB, then we agreed to switch to CW on the same frequency. When I switched to CW mode on my KX3, no one was there, but I saw a faint narrow signal appear off to the side on the PX3. After several seconds of waiting and debating, I had a hunch that was my op, so I QSYed to that frequency and found him, and we completed the QSO on that frequency. His filter sandwich must have been pretty wide for him to copy me, so he was probably still in SSB mode.?

Detecting off-frequency callers outside my narrow filter passband is yet another reason why I find the PX3 indispensible.

73, Ryan AI6DO

From KX3.1 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com  Mon Jul  3 17:17:55 2017
From: KX3.1 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com (Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT)
Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2017 14:17:55 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Idea for the P3
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Look for "KVM over IP" and shop a bit.  Some are spendy, some not so much.

On 7/3/2017 1:53 PM, Bill Frantz wrote:
> Wayne has posted about using a device which sends VGA over IP to a 
> remote location to display the P3 VGA display remotely. That is 
> off-the-shelf hardware he got from, I think, Amazon.
> 
> 73 Bill AE6JV
> 
> On 7/3/17 at 1:38 PM, k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) wrote:
> 
>> It would be a nice featurefor remote operators. I operate W7RN 
>> remotely from my home.  When my K3 is in TERM mode controlling the 
>> remote radio, my P3 sees the last frequency I was on locally +/- 10 
>> KHz [I usually leave it on 20 KHz span], usually on 80 meters from the 
>> previous night.  The K3 receiver, up to the ADC I think, is still 
>> operating in TERM mode, and I can see signals in that range.  The P3 
>> is what I look at 99.5% of the time and I miss it when running 
>> remote.  The only option I would have now is about 60 km of RG-58 to 
>> bring the 1st IF down to my P3. [:-))
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From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Mon Jul  3 19:36:16 2017
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2017 18:36:16 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Keying CW in SSB Mode
In-Reply-To: <fe623a85-d791-2386-21ad-4f288ed65d2b@fmeco.com>
References: <425B7793-79A1-4FE0-8773-E0BAC06290EA@law.du.edu>
	<fe623a85-d791-2386-21ad-4f288ed65d2b@fmeco.com>
Message-ID: <22ec899a-dcd5-466b-27a3-e9bc93477c62@blomand.net>

Ted, Fred et al;

As a rule using the SSB mode to send CW is very risky at best. Any hum 
or distortion, meaning the smallest amount,  on the CW generated audio 
signal will produce harmonics of the fundamental audio tone .   These 
will  pass through the SSB generator and sideband filter and thus be 
transmitted.  {i.e. - 700, 1400, 2100, 2800 Hz}   Probably at levels in 
excess of the FCC regulation on signal purity.   Not to mention 
upsetting your band neighbors around your frequency.

The earlier references I made to using FLDIGI and a Signalink USB 
interface, FLDIGI does generate CW audio.  It is this audio signal 
which  activates the relay in the Signalink USB, thus it is a relay 
which is performing the function of keying the radio in CW mode.  No 
different than a straight key.  In this case, the radio MUST be in the 
CW mode, the Signalink USB Delay set fully counter clockwise to 
minimum.  Even then, the speed of the associated circuits and the relay 
close and open time will limit CW speed to less than 20 WPM or so.

Other software applications may behave differently when connected direct 
to the radio or via an interface device.   No one rule stands for all 
configurations.

73

Bob, K4TAX



On 7/3/2017 3:00 PM, Fred Moore wrote:
> Ted, it's not a great strategy any time, and yes most likely that is
> what was going on.  You should see their signal when they have RF on the
> audio or a hum.  Not exactly meets the FCC requirements.  If you are
> listening with a wide filter some times you even get to hear their
> Microsoft Windows generated tones if they forget to turn them off.
>
> Let the flood gates start with all of the "you can't tell the difference
> so it's ok"  But I can and have seen it many times with bad signals..
>
> It's not CW keying, its USB or LSB keying with a single tone.   It makes
> me crazy when someone calls it CW keying, no way it is
>
> Fred
>
> Fred Moore
> email: fred at fmeco.com
>         wd8kni at gmail.com
>



From tomb18 at videotron.ca  Mon Jul  3 22:43:10 2017
From: tomb18 at videotron.ca (tomb18)
Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2017 22:43:10 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Idea for the P3
Message-ID: <0dee6b48348f51ed1e218245c3e706af@smtp.videotron.ca>

Could I have more information about this please??Currently win4k3suite can support a p3 with svga and a video capture board. The problem is vga capture boards are rare these days and the ones that are available now cost over 600.Having such a device may be an option for win4k3suite if feasible.?Thanks for any info.?73 Tom?va2fsq.com?


Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
-------- Original message --------From: Bill Frantz <frantz at pwpconsult.com> Date: 2017-07-03  4:53 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: k6dgw at foothill.net Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Idea for the P3 
Wayne has posted about using a device which sends VGA over IP to 
a remote location to display the P3 VGA display remotely. That 
is off-the-shelf hardware he got from, I think, Amazon.

73 Bill AE6JV

On 7/3/17 at 1:38 PM, k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) wrote:

>It would be a nice featurefor remote operators. I operate W7RN 
>remotely from my home.? When my K3 is in TERM mode controlling 
>the remote radio, my P3 sees the last frequency I was on 
>locally +/- 10 KHz [I usually leave it on 20 KHz span], usually 
>on 80 meters from the previous night.? The K3 receiver, up to 
>the ADC I think, is still operating in TERM mode, and I can see 
>signals in that range.? The P3 is what I look at 99.5% of the 
>time and I miss it when running remote.? The only option I 
>would have now is about 60 km of RG-58 to bring the 1st IF down 
>to my P3. [:-))
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From tomb18 at videotron.ca  Mon Jul  3 23:29:08 2017
From: tomb18 at videotron.ca (Tom)
Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2017 23:29:08 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Idea for the P3
In-Reply-To: <SDwLdxcqRBok7SDwOd7jAj@videotron.ca>
References: <8925D1A4-FAB0-4537-BEEA-229AA68859DA@tesco.net>
	<657ad2a1-a971-ed3a-f48d-a569de17db5a@embarqmail.com>
	<CAMoVco3q5p=nnQzjjHe-Rf2FmycZGYVtpGMvdoi5rKRY1doGtQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<SDwLdxcqRBok7SDwOd7jAj@videotron.ca>
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They are rare these days.  Epiphan makes one at $700.  Avermedia used to 
make one at $150 but they dropped it.  I wish Elecraft would update the svga 
to hdmi.
73
va2fsq.com

-----Original Message----- 
From: Cady, Fred
Sent: Monday, July 3, 2017 10:49 PM
To: Allan Zadiraka
Cc: Elecraft Discussion List
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Idea for the P3

Hi Zeke,

What VGA capture card are you using?

Thanks,

Fred KE7X


________________________________
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> on 
behalf of Allan Zadiraka <ajzadiraka at gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, July 3, 2017 6:37 PM
To: donwilh at embarqmail.com
Cc: Elecraft Discussion List; Paul Wilton
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Idea for the P3

The WIN4K3 rig control software provides control of the P3 as well as the
K3.  With a VGA capture card feeding the VGA image to the computer over a
USB 3.0 connection, the P3 is replicated in a resizeable window on the
computer. It adds the ability to point & click on the screen or use the
mouse roll wheel to tune the K3 frequency..  With it, I almost never look
at or touch the P3 itself and am thinking about moving the P3 off the
operating desk.

zeke,  ab8ou


On Mon, Jul 3, 2017 at 7:17 PM, Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com> wrote:

> Paul,
>
> The P3 does not have a digital data stream output, and I am certain what
> it has is not compatible with any input to the computer.
> You can add the SVGA option to obtain a greatly enlarged display, keyboard
> support for entering data mode text or CW, and display of the K3 decoded
> PSK31/63, RTTY or CW.
>
> If you want to continue to use the SoftRock in conjunction with the P3,
> there is an IF OUT from the P3 which will allow you to do exactly that.
>
> BTW, some other hams used my K3 with P3 for the CW station at Field Day.
> At several points they commented "It is like shooting fish in a barrel!".
> They ended up looking at the P3 rather than at the K3 display most of the
> time although they tuned with the K3 VFO knob and did not try to point 
> with
> the marker and tap the knob to QSY.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 7/3/2017 2:53 PM, Paul Wilton wrote:
>
>> Having been playing around with the P3 for the first time, can I suggest
>> a future feature please. Whilst the built in display is very nice, it 
>> would
>> be helpful if it were possible to get the spectrum data in a PC in 
>> realtime
>> (ish). There are a couple of applications for this but the main one is to
>> integrate the waterfall/spectrum with DX spots. At the moment I run N1MM+
>> for VHF contesting. My station is optimised for Search and Pounce (S&P). 
>> I
>> have an IF tap into my K2 and use a soft rock plus USB sound card to get 
>> a
>> waterfall band map using Waterfall Bandmap(WBM).  WBM integrates with 
>> N1MM+
>> and shows cluster spots/stations I have worked) along the frequency axis.
>> Hence if I see signals in the waterfall I can quickly see if I have
>> worked/need them.
>>
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From edauer at law.du.edu  Tue Jul  4 09:47:08 2017
From: edauer at law.du.edu (Dauer, Edward)
Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2017 13:47:08 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Keying CW in SSB Mode
Message-ID: <532F5ABC-CF78-4E08-BA82-0D5A3599925B@law.du.edu>

Regarding keying to produce CW in SSB mode ? I mean this as a question, not a criticism ? why would someone want to do it?  If both ends of the QSO are using SSB then, as I understand it, there is no relative frequency offset between them.  But there would be for any other station using CW mode for CW.  Do I have that right?  If so, what?s the advantage of using SSB mode for CW operations?  Is it that using SSB allows programmed keying from a computer generated audio tone?  Wouldn?t something like a Winkeyer and N1MM allow the same operation in CW mode itself?    

Ted, KN1CBR
    ------------------------------
    
    Message: 24
    Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2017 16:42:28 -0400
    From: Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com>
    To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
    Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Keying CW in SSB Mode
    Message-ID: <08550fb7-cf90-0caf-ae0b-d24106a70499 at embarqmail.com>
    Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
    
    . . . 
    
    The K3 CW in SSB mode is different because it is real keyed CW from the 
    paddles of keying input.  Yes, the carrier is shifted by the sidetone 
    pitch so a station listening in SSB mode will hear the tone.
    
    73,
    Don W3FPR
 


From kq5stom at gmail.com  Tue Jul  4 10:52:25 2017
From: kq5stom at gmail.com (Tom-KQ5S)
Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2017 09:52:25 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Shift Setting for WSJTX
In-Reply-To: <6a0b7366-95a7-acf6-0ffc-20c14195175d@blomand.net>
References: <CABBJzNjCBg03WuihJi+WHPiOpSrGJ6XNhg8WjYVfD6=bqgK93w@mail.gmail.com>
	<6a0b7366-95a7-acf6-0ffc-20c14195175d@blomand.net>
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Wow the message only took 24 hours to post.

I am no expert but from what I have read it is best to select split
operations in the WSJTX settings.  By doing this you can work JT9 and JT65
at the same time since WSJTX will change the split frequency to insure you
are within the passband.

I keep my WJTX mode set to JT9/JT65 and can work both without having to
change anything.

Of course I could be off in left field and if so someone will correct me.


73,
Tom - KQ5S


73,
Tom - KQ5S

On Tue, Jul 4, 2017 at 8:05 AM, Bob McGraw K4TAX <rmcgraw at blomand.net>
wrote:

> Why split?  The K3S should be in Data A mode and should switch to Data
> when you allow WSJT-X to connect.   Typical bandwidth for receive is 2.4
> kHz to 2.7 kHz.    If you switch to JT-9 via the software then the radio
> should move up band 2 kHz.
>
> This is all configured in the  Settings F2 menu of WSJT-X.  If you need
> screen shots, I can provide such.
>
> 73
>
> Bob, K4TAX
>
>
> On 7/2/2017 2:50 PM, Tom-KQ5S wrote:
>
>> Hope this is not a dupe.  I sent it over an hour ago and nothing showed
>> up.
>>
>> I am trying to tweak my WSJTX setup.  What is the recommended shift for
>> the
>> K3S while running WSJTX?  I have the 2.8 khz SSB filter installed.  I am
>> using a width of 4 khz and using the radio in split mode.
>>
>>
>> 73,
>> Tom - KQ5S
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From cbjesseenh at comcast.net  Tue Jul  4 11:00:35 2017
From: cbjesseenh at comcast.net (Charles)
Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2017 15:00:35 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] [K3S] "Hardware Sequencer" WSJT-X?
In-Reply-To: <da52e83e-fae7-0833-1950-48a79d184a82@embarqmail.com>
References: <1499085546386-7632214.post@n2.nabble.com>
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Message-ID: <683172629.18855116.1499180435269.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net>

OK - looks like I've no hardware "health" issues. Thanks! 

Bret/N4SRN 

----- Original Message -----

From: "Don Wilhelm" <donwilh at embarqmail.com> 
To: "MaverickNH" <cbjesseeNH at comcast.net>, elecraft at mailman.qth.net 
Sent: Tuesday, July 4, 2017 7:55:30 AM 
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [K3S] "Hardware Sequencer" WSJT-X? 

Bret, 

If you are running with external amplifiers or external preamps that use 
relays for T/R switching, then you need to be concerned. 
For the K3/K3S itself, no problem. The switching is all electronic and 
very fast. That is true for the entire K-Line. 

73, 
Don W3FPR 

On 7/3/2017 8:39 AM, MaverickNH wrote: 
> As in WSJT-X 1.70 online help: "Set Tx delay to a number larger than the 
> default 0.2 s to create a larger delay between execution of a command to 
> enable PTT and onset of Tx audio. 
> 
> For the health of your T/R relays and external preamplifier, we strongly 
> recommend using a hardware sequencer and testing to make sure that 
> sequencing is correct." 
> 


From brian.waterworth at gmail.com  Tue Jul  4 12:10:01 2017
From: brian.waterworth at gmail.com (Brian Waterworth)
Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2017 12:10:01 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Shift for WSJTX
In-Reply-To: <CABBJzNjeTi-YXZu8Z3dC2i6Bn41ur=BAThFb-57dFeKGu7oHRg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABBJzNjeTi-YXZu8Z3dC2i6Bn41ur=BAThFb-57dFeKGu7oHRg@mail.gmail.com>
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I have a KX3 and run with the same configuration as you list.  Works
perfectly and keeps my transmissions in the sweetspot.  This wide filter
setting lets me see JT65 and JT9 all at once and the split shifts me to the
right spot to handle either.  I have used the split and the fake-it
settings with the KX3 and both work great.

With regards to the 4Khz wide filter, I can't do that with my other rigs
(Yaseu FT-450D) rigs as they don't have this width.  This effectively
reduces the usability of WSJT-X because I have to switch modes to either
watch JT65 or JT9 individually.  Consequently, I do all my JT work on the
KX3.

regards,
Brian
VE3IBW



On Sun, Jul 2, 2017 at 2:12 PM, Tom-KQ5S <kq5stom at gmail.com> wrote:

> I am trying to tweak my WSJTX setup.  What is the recommended shift for the
> K3S while running WSJTX?  I have the 2.8 khz SSB filter installed.  I am
> using a width of 4 khz and using the radio in split mode.
>
>
> 73,
> Tom - KQ5S
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From kevin at ve3syb.ca  Tue Jul  4 12:11:17 2017
From: kevin at ve3syb.ca (Kevin Cozens)
Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2017 12:11:17 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Raspberry Pi, K2 and WSJT-X questions
In-Reply-To: <66286B91A5B3462592222D99E5E89A0F@Mainpc2>
References: <66286B91A5B3462592222D99E5E89A0F@Mainpc2>
Message-ID: <d4e0e964-16fa-cec3-b9d9-70bbf996b8e6@ve3syb.ca>

On 2017-07-03 04:37 PM, Elmore's wrote:
> Also, has anyone been able to run a digital program using a USB soundcard? I have a Star Tech 7.1 connected to my RPi.
[snip]
> The sound card is recognized by the OS. When I run WSJT-X and select the Audio tab and select the Input drop down, there is a list of 22 sound cards none of which is the USB card.
[snip]
> How do I get to see the USB card in WSJT-X?

The command 'lsusb' will show you information about USB devices recognized 
by Linux running on the Pi. Run it before and again after you plug in your 
USB soundcard. You should see a new entry after you plug in the sound card.

To determine what device to use in the program you are using for WSJT-X look 
at the end of the file /var/log/messagses (or try the dmesg command) to see 
if a device node was associated with the USB soundcard. The audio device 
will wind up taking the form of /dev/something, where the "something" you 
will have to determine from the system log file.

The above information is general Linux based suggestions that might help you 
determine what entry you need in the WSJT program.
-- 
Cheers!

Kevin.

http://www.ve3syb.ca/           |"Nerds make the shiny things that distract
Owner of Elecraft K2 #2172      | the mouth-breathers, and that's why we're
                                 | powerful!"
#include <disclaimer/favourite> |             --Chris Hardwick

From wes_n7ws at triconet.org  Tue Jul  4 12:18:25 2017
From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes Stewart)
Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2017 09:18:25 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Shift Setting for WSJTX
In-Reply-To: <6a0b7366-95a7-acf6-0ffc-20c14195175d@blomand.net>
References: <CABBJzNjCBg03WuihJi+WHPiOpSrGJ6XNhg8WjYVfD6=bqgK93w@mail.gmail.com>
	<6a0b7366-95a7-acf6-0ffc-20c14195175d@blomand.net>
Message-ID: <97ada48f-734b-3449-0c68-7bab105c224c@triconet.org>

Since I am being dragged, kicking and screaming, into these imaginary QSO modes 
and have yet to allow my computer to talk to anyone else's computer on the air, 
perhaps I shouldn't comment, but I will anyway :-) I am receiving BTW, using 
WSJT-X in JT65.  Depending on the tone(s), if the K3 is in split 
"Settings-->Radio-->Split Operation-->Rig" the the software will command the TX 
QRG to an offset that puts the tones in the "sweet spot".

It's all explained in the very helpful help file.

Wes  N7WS


   On 7/4/2017 6:05 AM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote:
> Why split?  The K3S should be in Data A mode and should switch to Data when 
> you allow WSJT-X to connect.   Typical bandwidth for receive is 2.4 kHz to 2.7 
> kHz.    If you switch to JT-9 via the software then the radio should move up 
> band 2 kHz.
>
> This is all configured in the  Settings F2 menu of WSJT-X.  If you need screen 
> shots, I can provide such.
>
> 73
>
> Bob, K4TAX


From brian.waterworth at gmail.com  Tue Jul  4 12:19:15 2017
From: brian.waterworth at gmail.com (Brian Waterworth)
Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2017 12:19:15 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Raspberry Pi, K2 and WSJT-X questions
In-Reply-To: <8e330292-69be-4781-4db9-62c42c6cf4f1@lamont.me.uk>
References: <66286B91A5B3462592222D99E5E89A0F@Mainpc2>
	<8e330292-69be-4781-4db9-62c42c6cf4f1@lamont.me.uk>
Message-ID: <CAM34cKdSzEUXb1+1aJN1MnrQF6QuUKH1j8epEWY5JLbAwS+Vcg@mail.gmail.com>

@Richard (G4DYA)...I also initially selected the Alsa settings in the
WSJT-X drop-downs.  I found that this sound card setting had quirks.  The
setting worked, but would always reset the mic setting.  I experimented,
because I didn't like having to set the mic setting in the OS sound
settings every time I used WSJT-X.  I found a value in the soundcards list
called Sysdefault for the USB sound card I had connected to the RPi.  This
one worked the way I expected...no more resetting the mic volume to max,
but instead respecting the setting that was there.  Now I can move among
different digital programs (FLdigi, WSJT-X, etc.) without having to change
the mic setting in the Linux's sound settings.

I am running the latest version of Raspbian on an RPI3.

regards,
Brian
VE3IBW

On Tue, Jul 4, 2017 at 10:54 AM, Richard Lamont <richard at lamont.me.uk>
wrote:

> On 03/07/17 21:37, Elmore's wrote:
> > Has anyone figured out how to control a K2 from RPi running WSJT-X (or
> FLDIGI,etc.)?
> >
> > Also, has anyone been able to run a digital program using a USB
> soundcard? I have a Star Tech 7.1 connected to my RPi. At the moment I am
> trying to get it to work with WSJT-X.
> >
> > I am running Debian Jessie.
> >
> > The sound card is recognized by the OS. When I run WSJT-X and select the
> Audio tab and select the Input drop down, there is a list of 22 sound cards
> none of which is the USB card. A similar issue exists on the Output
> selection. I don?t understand what I am seeing. How do I get to see the USB
> card in WSJT-X?
> >
> > Note that I have made forum postings on WSPRnet and RPi ham Yahoo groups
> without yet getting a solution.
> >
> > I hope someone can help with this very frustrating situation. Also note
> that this is my first experience with a RPi and my Linux knowledge is
> limited.
>
> The soundcard you're looking for may appear under a different name.
>
> Try looking in WSJT-X File->Settings->Audio for one that begins
> "alsa_input.usb" for the WSJT-X input device, and "alsa_output.usb" for
> the WSJT-X output device.
>
> 73,
> Richard G4DYA
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From n6kr at elecraft.com  Tue Jul  4 12:43:28 2017
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2017 09:43:28 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Keying CW in SSB Mode [explained]
In-Reply-To: <568697767.3708734.1499110891801@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <425B7793-79A1-4FE0-8773-E0BAC06290EA@law.du.edu>
	<568697767.3708734.1499110891801@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <38FBE06D-4F2F-4D03-BAE5-403917F98424@elecraft.com>

The K3, K3S, KX2 and KX3 all have a menu option for ?automatic VFO offset on SSB/CW mode change.? When this is turned on, the operator can switch from SSB to CW mode, hit the key, and have the other station hear them at approximately their sidetone pitch. The VFO frequency is offset to achieve this. When automatic offset is turned off (the default), switching from SSB to CW mode does not move the VFO frequency, which means that hitting the key would result in the other station hearing you at zero beat.

To change this setting, locate the CW WGHT menu entry and tap ?5?. The setting will alternate between VFO OFS and VFO NOR.

This feature was specifically added for the situation described, where fading (typically on 6 m) compels one or both stations to switch to CW mode.

However, an easier way to send CW in SSB mode is to just make sure ?SSB +CW? is in effect in the menu. In this case you can be in SSB mode and simply hit the key to transmit CW with an automatic offset that the other station will hear as roughly your sidetone pitch. Two stations using Elecraft radios could both be in SSB mode, and hear each other when hitting the key without either having to change modes.

To change this setting, locate the CW WGHT menu entry and tap ?1? .The setting will alternate between SSB +CW and SSB -CW.

Note that "SSB +CW" mode is *not* like using audio-tone CW in SSB mode. If you hit the key in SSB mode and SSB +CW is in effect, the radio actually does switch to CW mode each time you hit the key.

73,
Wayne
N6KR




> On Jul 3, 2017, at 12:41 PM, Ryan Noguchi via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
> 
>> Five or six times over several hours I heard stations calling me way off my frequency.  It seemed like a Khz or more, though I didn?t measure it at the time...>Is it possible that they were using CW keying on USB or LSB which resulted in a frequency offset of, typically, 600 (or, as Don suggests, 1200) Hz?
> 
> 
> Yes, I think I experienced this last weekend. I answered a CQ on 6M SSB, then we agreed to switch to CW on the same frequency. When I switched to CW mode on my KX3, no one was there, but I saw a faint narrow signal appear off to the side on the PX3. After several seconds of waiting and debating, I had a hunch that was my op, so I QSYed to that frequency and found him, and we completed the QSO on that frequency. His filter sandwich must have been pretty wide for him to copy me, so he was probably still in SSB mode. 
> 
> Detecting off-frequency callers outside my narrow filter passband is yet another reason why I find the PX3 indispensible.
> 
> 73, Ryan AI6DO
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From david at g4dmp.co.uk  Tue Jul  4 12:48:58 2017
From: david at g4dmp.co.uk (David Pratt)
Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2017 17:48:58 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] Keying CW in SSB Mode
In-Reply-To: <532F5ABC-CF78-4E08-BA82-0D5A3599925B@law.du.edu>
Message-ID: <9b16a02c-614c-4f76-a313-f1ae04650b7e@email.android.com>


From k3ww at fast.net  Tue Jul  4 13:10:31 2017
From: k3ww at fast.net (k3ww at fast.net)
Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2017 12:10:31 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 for sale
Message-ID: <20170704131031.IVCGJ.38469.root@pamxwww05-z02>

K2, K2SB, K160RX, KIO2, and KAT2


Had a nice workout during Field Day.



contact K3WW for info
Thanks,


ChasFulp at gmail.com



From kq5stom at gmail.com  Tue Jul  4 13:24:28 2017
From: kq5stom at gmail.com (Tom-KQ5S)
Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2017 12:24:28 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Shift Setting for WSJTX
In-Reply-To: <C9C8319B-9039-4507-8963-33F12F8CC4B2@yahoo.co.uk>
References: <CABBJzNjCBg03WuihJi+WHPiOpSrGJ6XNhg8WjYVfD6=bqgK93w@mail.gmail.com>
	<C9C8319B-9039-4507-8963-33F12F8CC4B2@yahoo.co.uk>
Message-ID: <CABBJzNh7BYySJrVw62wB2bQsm4A0fiOfFbsyGE5oV9N7FOx7_w@mail.gmail.com>

>From the WSJTX users manual:

Split Operation: Significant advantages result from using Split mode
(separate VFOs for Rx and Tx) if your radio supports it. If it does not,
WSJT-X can emulate such behavior. Either method will result in a cleaner
transmitted signal, by keeping the Tx audio always in the range 1500 to
2000 Hz so that audio harmonics cannot pass through the Tx sideband filter.
Select Rig to use the radio?s Split mode, or Fake It to have WSJT-X adjust
the VFO frequency as needed, when T/R switching occurs. Choose None if you
do not wish to use split operation.




73,
Tom - KQ5S

On Tue, Jul 4, 2017 at 3:40 AM, David Anderson <gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> Tom,
>
> Not a dupe, sometimes it takes a while for post to show. So don't worry.
>
> What mode are you going to be using WSJT-C on that requires a split?
>
> I have used WSJT-C here on JT65 and MSK144.
>
>
> 73 from David GM4JJJ
>
> > On 2 Jul 2017, at 20:50, Tom-KQ5S <kq5stom at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hope this is not a dupe.  I sent it over an hour ago and nothing showed
> up.
> >
> > I am trying to tweak my WSJTX setup.  What is the recommended shift for
> the
> > K3S while running WSJTX?  I have the 2.8 khz SSB filter installed.  I am
> > using a width of 4 khz and using the radio in split mode.
> >
> >
> > 73,
> > Tom - KQ5S
> > ______________________________________________________________
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From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Tue Jul  4 13:37:26 2017
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2017 10:37:26 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Shift Setting for WSJTX
In-Reply-To: <6a0b7366-95a7-acf6-0ffc-20c14195175d@blomand.net>
References: <CABBJzNjCBg03WuihJi+WHPiOpSrGJ6XNhg8WjYVfD6=bqgK93w@mail.gmail.com>
	<6a0b7366-95a7-acf6-0ffc-20c14195175d@blomand.net>
Message-ID: <7ed02ac0-8876-cab9-6808-815776315c67@audiosystemsgroup.com>

I agree. I use WSJT-X mostly on 6M during the summer and 160M during the 
winter. On 6M, I can't use the WSJT-X split mode, because it takes over 
my second VFO, preventing me from working back and forth from WSJT-X on 
one VFO (and RX) and CW on the low end of the band.

The split mode in WSJT-X is simply a crutch for those who don't know (or 
don't care) how to set audio levels so that distortion is not produced 
in the audio chain. The link below includes simple procedures for 
getting those settings right.  It applies to all sorts of 
computer-to-rig audio connections, not only those with a USB interface.

http://k9yc.com/USB_Interfaces.pdf

BTW -- a decent USB interface can GREATLY improve decoding of weak 
signals.  That link describes my testing that clearly shows that.

73, Jim K9YC

  On 7/4/2017 6:05 AM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote:
> Why split?  The K3S should be in Data A mode and should switch to Data 
> when you allow WSJT-X to connect. 



From k1ep.list at gmail.com  Tue Jul  4 13:43:18 2017
From: k1ep.list at gmail.com (Ed K1EP)
Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2017 13:43:18 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Keying CW in SSB Mode [explained]
In-Reply-To: <38FBE06D-4F2F-4D03-BAE5-403917F98424@elecraft.com>
References: <425B7793-79A1-4FE0-8773-E0BAC06290EA@law.du.edu>
	<568697767.3708734.1499110891801@mail.yahoo.com>
	<38FBE06D-4F2F-4D03-BAE5-403917F98424@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <CAKR4uUO9pCCjGAZTiiOsOjqhDb8C+ZmscP7PKy0-1=K5-q6APQ@mail.gmail.com>

Wayne, I have used this feature in the past with success and like it on 6M.
However, we recently switched to a setup where we need to sequence the amp
and relays, making the use of PTT (foot switch) mandatory. I turned off VOX
and breakin, but hitting the paddle in this mode still acts like VOX is
enabled and runs the risk of hot switching relays. Is it possible to make
that PTT TX too?

On Jul 4, 2017 12:58 PM, "Wayne Burdick" <n6kr at elecraft.com> wrote:

> The K3, K3S, KX2 and KX3 all have a menu option for ?automatic VFO offset
> on SSB/CW mode change.? When this is turned on, the operator can switch
> from SSB to CW mode, hit the key, and have the other station hear them at
> approximately their sidetone pitch. The VFO frequency is offset to achieve
> this. When automatic offset is turned off (the default), switching from SSB
> to CW mode does not move the VFO frequency, which means that hitting the
> key would result in the other station hearing you at zero beat.
>
> To change this setting, locate the CW WGHT menu entry and tap ?5?. The
> setting will alternate between VFO OFS and VFO NOR.
>
> This feature was specifically added for the situation described, where
> fading (typically on 6 m) compels one or both stations to switch to CW mode.
>
> However, an easier way to send CW in SSB mode is to just make sure ?SSB
> +CW? is in effect in the menu. In this case you can be in SSB mode and
> simply hit the key to transmit CW with an automatic offset that the other
> station will hear as roughly your sidetone pitch. Two stations using
> Elecraft radios could both be in SSB mode, and hear each other when hitting
> the key without either having to change modes.
>
> To change this setting, locate the CW WGHT menu entry and tap ?1? .The
> setting will alternate between SSB +CW and SSB -CW.
>
> Note that "SSB +CW" mode is *not* like using audio-tone CW in SSB mode. If
> you hit the key in SSB mode and SSB +CW is in effect, the radio actually
> does switch to CW mode each time you hit the key.
>
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR
>
>
>
>
> > On Jul 3, 2017, at 12:41 PM, Ryan Noguchi via Elecraft <
> elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
> >
> >> Five or six times over several hours I heard stations calling me way
> off my frequency.  It seemed like a Khz or more, though I didn?t measure it
> at the time...>Is it possible that they were using CW keying on USB or LSB
> which resulted in a frequency offset of, typically, 600 (or, as Don
> suggests, 1200) Hz?
> >
> >
> > Yes, I think I experienced this last weekend. I answered a CQ on 6M SSB,
> then we agreed to switch to CW on the same frequency. When I switched to CW
> mode on my KX3, no one was there, but I saw a faint narrow signal appear
> off to the side on the PX3. After several seconds of waiting and debating,
> I had a hunch that was my op, so I QSYed to that frequency and found him,
> and we completed the QSO on that frequency. His filter sandwich must have
> been pretty wide for him to copy me, so he was probably still in SSB mode.
> >
> > Detecting off-frequency callers outside my narrow filter passband is yet
> another reason why I find the PX3 indispensible.
> >
> > 73, Ryan AI6DO
> > ______________________________________________________________
> > Elecraft mailing list
> > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
> > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
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> >
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> > Message delivered to n6kr at elecraft.com
>
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From randyn1kwf at gmail.com  Tue Jul  4 13:44:13 2017
From: randyn1kwf at gmail.com (Randy Lake)
Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2017 13:44:13 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Old Style Sub Receiver Wanted
In-Reply-To: <9AC26FC0-6628-4A20-9F2E-CD9494A6537C@gmail.com>
References: <666f712d-f724-1982-cd1b-ae84cfe175dc@semaos.plus.com>
	<9AC26FC0-6628-4A20-9F2E-CD9494A6537C@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CACnmA1P1FCPfgWu0L5oJyvX3kNmH1wCOkWtVe1_sz7u8_wkJyQ@mail.gmail.com>

Buy a new Sub and I am sure someone on here would be more than happy to,
for shipping, get you an old Synth board.
Just a thought.
Randy N1KWF

On Sun, Jul 2, 2017 at 3:41 PM, GRANT YOUNGMAN <ghyoungman at gmail.com> wrote:

> Old style?? What are you talking about?
>
>
> > On Jul 2, 2017, at 3:33 PM, Christopher Soames <semaos at semaos.plus.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi looking to fit the old type of Sub Receiver in my K3, however
> Elekraft don't have any they only have the new ones left.
> > Does anyone have an old style K3 sub receiver and synth card for sale?
> If so please drop me a line.
> > The fitting instructions would be good also.
> >
> > I do not have the folding stuff for a complete upgrade including Synth
> cards at this time so need to upgrade in stages.
> >
> > semaos at semaos.plus.com
> >
> > Regards
> > Chris G0TZZ
> > ______________________________________________________________
> >
>
> Grant NQ5T
> K3 #2091, KX3 #8342
>
>
>
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-- 
Randy Lake N1KWF
73 Gunn Rd.
Keene,NH

From kq5stom at gmail.com  Tue Jul  4 14:25:18 2017
From: kq5stom at gmail.com (Tom-KQ5S)
Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2017 13:25:18 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Shift Setting for WSJTX
In-Reply-To: <7ed02ac0-8876-cab9-6808-815776315c67@audiosystemsgroup.com>
References: <CABBJzNjCBg03WuihJi+WHPiOpSrGJ6XNhg8WjYVfD6=bqgK93w@mail.gmail.com>
	<6a0b7366-95a7-acf6-0ffc-20c14195175d@blomand.net>
	<7ed02ac0-8876-cab9-6808-815776315c67@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Message-ID: <CABBJzNheH53q1s2xFQdo12_-7gwm_j6GwCi_4KJ48gfKzsCnmA@mail.gmail.com>

No argument but some folks, particularly those new to WSJTX, read the WSJTX
user manual and follow it.  Also split mode is "encouraged" on the WSJT
group.

Split Operation: Significant advantages result from using Split mode
(separate VFOs for Rx and Tx) if your radio supports it. If it does not,
WSJT-X can emulate such behavior. Either method will result in a cleaner
transmitted signal, by keeping the Tx audio always in the range 1500 to
2000 Hz so that audio harmonics cannot pass through the Tx sideband filter.
Select Rig to use the radio?s Split mode, or Fake It to have WSJT-X adjust
the VFO frequency as needed, when T/R switching occurs. Choose None if you
do not wish to use split operation.




73,
Tom - KQ5S

On Tue, Jul 4, 2017 at 12:37 PM, Jim Brown <jim at audiosystemsgroup.com>
wrote:

> I agree. I use WSJT-X mostly on 6M during the summer and 160M during the
> winter. On 6M, I can't use the WSJT-X split mode, because it takes over my
> second VFO, preventing me from working back and forth from WSJT-X on one
> VFO (and RX) and CW on the low end of the band.
>
> The split mode in WSJT-X is simply a crutch for those who don't know (or
> don't care) how to set audio levels so that distortion is not produced in
> the audio chain. The link below includes simple procedures for getting
> those settings right.  It applies to all sorts of computer-to-rig audio
> connections, not only those with a USB interface.
>
> http://k9yc.com/USB_Interfaces.pdf
>
> BTW -- a decent USB interface can GREATLY improve decoding of weak
> signals.  That link describes my testing that clearly shows that.
>
> 73, Jim K9YC
>
>  On 7/4/2017 6:05 AM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote:
>
>> Why split?  The K3S should be in Data A mode and should switch to Data
>> when you allow WSJT-X to connect.
>>
>
>
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From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Tue Jul  4 14:38:12 2017
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2017 13:38:12 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Shift Setting for WSJTX
In-Reply-To: <CABBJzNheH53q1s2xFQdo12_-7gwm_j6GwCi_4KJ48gfKzsCnmA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABBJzNjCBg03WuihJi+WHPiOpSrGJ6XNhg8WjYVfD6=bqgK93w@mail.gmail.com>
	<6a0b7366-95a7-acf6-0ffc-20c14195175d@blomand.net>
	<7ed02ac0-8876-cab9-6808-815776315c67@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<CABBJzNheH53q1s2xFQdo12_-7gwm_j6GwCi_4KJ48gfKzsCnmA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4009d258-b170-3ca1-06c6-f84c94e58e8a@blomand.net>

One anomaly which I've just observed with my K3S.  I did set the 
software as suggested for SPLIT mode for WSJT-X / JT-65.   The radio 
followed as expected.   I made a few contacts successfully with this 
configuration.   When I closed WSJT-X I noted it left the radio in SPLIT 
mode.   I can just see all of the confusion and frustration not to 
mention unintentional QRM created by this occurrence.   Another trap to 
watch for.

Probably in my case, even a better reason not to use SPLIT.   In other 
words, it isn't idiot proof and I've been accused as being as dumb as a 
box of rocks.

73

Bob, K4TAX


On 7/4/2017 1:25 PM, Tom-KQ5S wrote:
> No argument but some folks, particularly those new to WSJTX, read the WSJTX
> user manual and follow it.  Also split mode is "encouraged" on the WSJT
> group.
>
> Split Operation: Significant advantages result from using Split mode
> (separate VFOs for Rx and Tx) if your radio supports it. If it does not,
> WSJT-X can emulate such behavior. Either method will result in a cleaner
> transmitted signal, by keeping the Tx audio always in the range 1500 to
> 2000 Hz so that audio harmonics cannot pass through the Tx sideband filter.
> Select Rig to use the radio?s Split mode, or Fake It to have WSJT-X adjust
> the VFO frequency as needed, when T/R switching occurs. Choose None if you
> do not wish to use split operation.
>
>
>
>
> 73,
> Tom - KQ5S
>
> O



From n6363l at gmail.com  Tue Jul  4 14:40:41 2017
From: n6363l at gmail.com (Steve Silverman)
Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2017 14:40:41 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] [K1] FS with many options
Message-ID: <CALeBkp5_v=LyaTKh52FMjYG=Z-3Pk-3kNZqoR6k48CQR4eFpYg@mail.gmail.com>

Elecraft K1 CW transceiver built for 40 and 20 Meters with 80/15M assembled
filter and installed backlight.  Works FB. Includes KAT1 tuner kit with
wound toroids,  KNB1 noise blanker kit with wound toroids, two band filter
kit for 17/30M, Cumbria Designs X-Lock VFO stabilizer kit, and unchecked
original manual.  $400 incl shipping. Photos available. PayPal or check
Steve KB3SII  ? .. ..

From paul.wilton at tesco.net  Tue Jul  4 14:42:27 2017
From: paul.wilton at tesco.net (Paul Wilton)
Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2017 19:42:27 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] Idea for the P3
In-Reply-To: <CAMoVco3q5p=nnQzjjHe-Rf2FmycZGYVtpGMvdoi5rKRY1doGtQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8925D1A4-FAB0-4537-BEEA-229AA68859DA@tesco.net>
	<657ad2a1-a971-ed3a-f48d-a569de17db5a@embarqmail.com>
	<CAMoVco3q5p=nnQzjjHe-Rf2FmycZGYVtpGMvdoi5rKRY1doGtQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1E94F862-1085-4BC9-9EAE-E875FBAFB8F9@tesco.net>

Thats interesting - does it superimpose a bandmap/cluster spots onto the image?


Paul
M1CNK


> On 4 Jul 2017, at 01:37, Allan Zadiraka <ajzadiraka at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> The WIN4K3 rig control software provides control of the P3 as well as the K3.  With a VGA capture card feeding the VGA image to the computer over a USB 3.0 connection, the P3 is replicated in a resizeable window on the computer. It adds the ability to point & click on the screen or use the mouse roll wheel to tune the K3 frequency..  With it, I almost never look at or touch the P3 itself and am thinking about moving the P3 off the operating desk.
> 
> zeke,  ab8ou
> 
> 
> On Mon, Jul 3, 2017 at 7:17 PM, Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com <mailto:donwilh at embarqmail.com>> wrote:
> Paul,
> 
> The P3 does not have a digital data stream output, and I am certain what it has is not compatible with any input to the computer.
> You can add the SVGA option to obtain a greatly enlarged display, keyboard support for entering data mode text or CW, and display of the K3 decoded PSK31/63, RTTY or CW.
> 
> If you want to continue to use the SoftRock in conjunction with the P3, there is an IF OUT from the P3 which will allow you to do exactly that.
> 
> BTW, some other hams used my K3 with P3 for the CW station at Field Day.  At several points they commented "It is like shooting fish in a barrel!".  They ended up looking at the P3 rather than at the K3 display most of the time although they tuned with the K3 VFO knob and did not try to point with the marker and tap the knob to QSY.
> 
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
> 
> On 7/3/2017 2:53 PM, Paul Wilton wrote:
> Having been playing around with the P3 for the first time, can I suggest a future feature please. Whilst the built in display is very nice, it would be helpful if it were possible to get the spectrum data in a PC in realtime (ish). There are a couple of applications for this but the main one is to integrate the waterfall/spectrum with DX spots. At the moment I run N1MM+ for VHF contesting. My station is optimised for Search and Pounce (S&P). I have an IF tap into my K2 and use a soft rock plus USB sound card to get a waterfall band map using Waterfall Bandmap(WBM).  WBM integrates with N1MM+ and shows cluster spots/stations I have worked) along the frequency axis. Hence if I see signals in the waterfall I can quickly see if I have worked/need them.
> 
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From paul.wilton at tesco.net  Tue Jul  4 14:48:41 2017
From: paul.wilton at tesco.net (Paul Wilton)
Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2017 19:48:41 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] Idea for the P3
In-Reply-To: <657ad2a1-a971-ed3a-f48d-a569de17db5a@embarqmail.com>
References: <8925D1A4-FAB0-4537-BEEA-229AA68859DA@tesco.net>
	<657ad2a1-a971-ed3a-f48d-a569de17db5a@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <540AE27F-CA07-4533-9862-40BB6010E117@tesco.net>

Don
Thanks for the answer.  Yes, fully aware that it doesn?t already do this.  However, I note that the SVGA option has a spare type B USB port on it for future use.  My thought was that you could use some additional hardware to send a stream of data down it. It wouldn?t take much hardware - it could even look like a soundcard in the same way as a FunCube dongle.

The advantage is that once in a computer, the data stream can be manipulated in far more ways.  It does change operating, at the UK VHF NFD I set up the P3 with a monitor and it revolutionised operation for some the my local club members.


Paul
M1CNK



> On 4 Jul 2017, at 00:17, Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Paul,
> 
> The P3 does not have a digital data stream output, and I am certain what it has is not compatible with any input to the computer.
> You can add the SVGA option to obtain a greatly enlarged display, keyboard support for entering data mode text or CW, and display of the K3 decoded PSK31/63, RTTY or CW.
> 
> If you want to continue to use the SoftRock in conjunction with the P3, there is an IF OUT from the P3 which will allow you to do exactly that.
> 
> BTW, some other hams used my K3 with P3 for the CW station at Field Day.  At several points they commented "It is like shooting fish in a barrel!".  They ended up looking at the P3 rather than at the K3 display most of the time although they tuned with the K3 VFO knob and did not try to point with the marker and tap the knob to QSY.
> 
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
> 
> On 7/3/2017 2:53 PM, Paul Wilton wrote:
>> Having been playing around with the P3 for the first time, can I suggest a future feature please. Whilst the built in display is very nice, it would be helpful if it were possible to get the spectrum data in a PC in realtime (ish). There are a couple of applications for this but the main one is to integrate the waterfall/spectrum with DX spots. At the moment I run N1MM+ for VHF contesting. My station is optimised for Search and Pounce (S&P). I have an IF tap into my K2 and use a soft rock plus USB sound card to get a waterfall band map using Waterfall Bandmap(WBM).  WBM integrates with N1MM+ and shows cluster spots/stations I have worked) along the frequency axis. Hence if I see signals in the waterfall I can quickly see if I have worked/need them.


From k2av.guy at gmail.com  Tue Jul  4 15:11:36 2017
From: k2av.guy at gmail.com (Guy Olinger K2AV)
Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2017 15:11:36 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3. FD shutdown
In-Reply-To: <06c2f61f-0fe1-ed01-d870-2a61992d6d2a@foothill.net>
References: <E69A6621-F606-4EBC-96C3-67F3D8437CB1@widomaker.com>
	<06c2f61f-0fe1-ed01-d870-2a61992d6d2a@foothill.net>
Message-ID: <CANckpc1XyJnJRej=LoY22DDZNyScE38P0CBWLkLg67PXrd6c_A@mail.gmail.com>

With a low number serial K3, (mine is 1239) it really is important to have
kept up with the mods over the years.  One of those was the gold pins. I
kept going with these right through the new synths. Only one I didn't do
was the new IO board with the USB. If I didn't have my contest rigging
already worked out with serial boards in my PC etc, I would have upgraded
the IO board. One of those if-it-ain't-broke-don't-fix-it things. I've been
real light on SSB for other reasons, That might change things since the USB
simplifies audio transfer greatly.

Have to agree on the pins. Got an intermittent and did the gold pin mod.
That was a while ago. No recurrence.

Couple of folks I know have done a 100 percent deoxit on K3 connector pins,
so far 3, 4 years with zero recurrence. They're also very sure on proper
seating for those TMP connectors.

Good luck to all & Happy 4th.

73, Guy K2AV


On Tue, Jul 4, 2017 at 12:07 PM Fred Jensen <k6dgw at foothill.net> wrote:

> This is similar to the fellow who tells his doctor, "It hurts when I do
> this." Doctor replies, "Don't do that. Fifty bucks, pay on the way
> out."  In your case, your K3 doesn't like FD, "don't do that." [:-)
>
> Seriously, with that low a serial # [mine is 642], strange things can
> and do happen. I took mine to Pershing County NV for the 7QP.  It worked
> fine. When I got back home, it didn't and I was really carefulpacking it
> into the truck. Based on an almost countable infinity of previous posts
> here over the years, I pulled and reseated the front panel, and made
> sure all the TMP connectors were fully seated.  Now it works like its
> old self.  Your symptoms are a little different... it doesn't like FD
> ... and it works now, but you might give that a try and then wait til
> the end of June 2018 to see if it fixed the problem[s].
>
> Some of the switches on mine are getting a bit unreliable, sometimes
> BAND DOWN disables the ATU.  Wife has a needlepoint hobby which is every
> bit as expensive as ham radio, at least at my level[my stuff is more
> expensive, but she buys A LOT more of hers than I do mine, and then she
> pays to have Ian frame it].  We have an "Equal Hobby Allowance" policy,
> I'm waaay ahead in my account, I may sell may at a real discount to some
> young new ham who needs a radio and get a shiny new K3s.
>
> 73,
>
> Fred ("Skip") K6DGW
> Sparks NV USA
> Washoe County DM09dn
>
> On 6/29/2017 8:49 AM, Nr4c wrote:
> > My K3 (s/n 453x) has been used for FD and other outdoor events plus use
> at home (till I  rec'd one of the first K3Ss). On at least 2 events in past
> year it has exhibited little output power. Batteries were checked, cables
> checked and replaced, to no avail. Display did not show SWR when TUNE
> button pressed (only "--"). Another K3 was swapped in and everything was
> fine.
> > I took radio home and it worked perfectly.
> >
> > This year at FD, it quit at around midnight. Even tried <12 W to verify
> LPA. Result little or almost no power. Checked LPA screws but they were
> tight.  Voltage on radio was just above 12v on TX. Took it home and it
> shows no sign of low power. It has worked well all week.
> >
> > Reloaded FW from Elecraft and reloaded last CONFIG file (May 2017 just
> before first event of year and did TX cal at this time).
> >
> > Now hooked to dummy load and running stress test with FD CW msg on
> repeat.
> >
> > Anyone have ideas?
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> > ...nr4c. bill
> >
> >
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From lists at subich.com  Tue Jul  4 08:25:29 2017
From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV)
Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2017 08:25:29 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Shift Setting for WSJTX
In-Reply-To: <CABBJzNjCBg03WuihJi+WHPiOpSrGJ6XNhg8WjYVfD6=bqgK93w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABBJzNjCBg03WuihJi+WHPiOpSrGJ6XNhg8WjYVfD6=bqgK93w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f3be7043-bd21-62c4-4c9d-b5941796485b@subich.com>


> I am using a width of 4 khz and using the radio in split mode.
Width of 4 KHz is useless with a 2800 Hz SSB filter.  You do not
need (and can't use) more than 3000 - 3300 Hz.

The default shift of 1500 (for DATA A) will provide relatively
flat audio response from 300 Hz to 2800 Hz with Width at 3000 Hz.
If you move the shift to 1700 the "flat area" of the audio pass-
band will be about 300 to 3000 Hz.

Remember, with a 2800 Hz filter the maximum bandwidth is 2800 Hz
between the -3 dB points.  Setting a wider DSP filter is not going
to make the flat are any wider it will only allow you to see more
of the filter skirts.  If you really need the full 4 KHz get an
AM (6 KHz) or FM (13 KHz) filter.

73,

    ... Joe, W4TV


On 7/2/2017 3:50 PM, Tom-KQ5S wrote:
> Hope this is not a dupe.  I sent it over an hour ago and nothing showed up.
> 
> I am trying to tweak my WSJTX setup.  What is the recommended shift for the
> K3S while running WSJTX?  I have the 2.8 khz SSB filter installed.  I am
> using a width of 4 khz and using the radio in split mode.
> 
> 
> 73,
> Tom - KQ5S
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From KX3.1 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com  Tue Jul  4 15:58:25 2017
From: KX3.1 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com (Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT)
Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2017 12:58:25 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Raspberry Pi, K2 and WSJT-X questions
In-Reply-To: <66286B91A5B3462592222D99E5E89A0F@Mainpc2>
References: <66286B91A5B3462592222D99E5E89A0F@Mainpc2>
Message-ID: <94330af4-a640-fa70-b683-7ae5915c8db2@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com>

Replies on-list, please.  I'm also interested in the answer, and I'm 
sure there are others.

On 7/3/2017 1:37 PM, Elmore's wrote:
> Has anyone figured out how to control a K2 from RPi running WSJT-X (or FLDIGI,etc.)?
> 
> Also, has anyone been able to run a digital program using a USB soundcard? I have a Star Tech 7.1 connected to my RPi. At the moment I am trying to get it to work with WSJT-X.
> 
> I am running Debian Jessie.
> 
> The sound card is recognized by the OS. When I run WSJT-X and select the Audio tab and select the Input drop down, there is a list of 22 sound cards none of which is the USB card. A similar issue exists on the Output selection. I don?t understand what I am seeing. How do I get to see the USB card in WSJT-X?
> 
> Note that I have made forum postings on WSPRnet and RPi ham Yahoo groups without yet getting a solution.
> 
> I hope someone can help with this very frustrating situation. Also note that this is my first experience with a RPi and my Linux knowledge is limited.
> 
> 73,
> Jim WA4YWM
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From kq5stom at gmail.com  Tue Jul  4 16:18:48 2017
From: kq5stom at gmail.com (Tom-KQ5S)
Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2017 15:18:48 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Shift Setting for WSJTX
In-Reply-To: <f3be7043-bd21-62c4-4c9d-b5941796485b@subich.com>
References: <CABBJzNjCBg03WuihJi+WHPiOpSrGJ6XNhg8WjYVfD6=bqgK93w@mail.gmail.com>
	<f3be7043-bd21-62c4-4c9d-b5941796485b@subich.com>
Message-ID: <CABBJzNgjH+vuwmZOJiOdTvRiFAaV-KPfCV5nrT0-rKNX5RgcQA@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Joe.  Mike, W9MDB, sent me a procedure using WSJTX to determine the
cutoff points.  I  arrived at exactly what you are saying.  I am using 1500
and find that I can copy JT9 out to 3000 and if a stronger signal out to
about 3300.



73,
Tom - KQ5S

On Tue, Jul 4, 2017 at 7:25 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV <lists at subich.com> wrote:

>
> I am using a width of 4 khz and using the radio in split mode.
>>
> Width of 4 KHz is useless with a 2800 Hz SSB filter.  You do not
> need (and can't use) more than 3000 - 3300 Hz.
>
> The default shift of 1500 (for DATA A) will provide relatively
> flat audio response from 300 Hz to 2800 Hz with Width at 3000 Hz.
> If you move the shift to 1700 the "flat area" of the audio pass-
> band will be about 300 to 3000 Hz.
>
> Remember, with a 2800 Hz filter the maximum bandwidth is 2800 Hz
> between the -3 dB points.  Setting a wider DSP filter is not going
> to make the flat are any wider it will only allow you to see more
> of the filter skirts.  If you really need the full 4 KHz get an
> AM (6 KHz) or FM (13 KHz) filter.
>
> 73,
>
>    ... Joe, W4TV
>
>
> On 7/2/2017 3:50 PM, Tom-KQ5S wrote:
>
>> Hope this is not a dupe.  I sent it over an hour ago and nothing showed
>> up.
>>
>> I am trying to tweak my WSJTX setup.  What is the recommended shift for
>> the
>> K3S while running WSJTX?  I have the 2.8 khz SSB filter installed.  I am
>> using a width of 4 khz and using the radio in split mode.
>>
>>
>> 73,
>> Tom - KQ5S
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From edauer at law.du.edu  Tue Jul  4 16:46:52 2017
From: edauer at law.du.edu (Dauer, Edward)
Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2017 20:46:52 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 works at home but not at FD
Message-ID: <58CBAF6C-DF64-403F-A892-5F21D1E928E1@law.du.edu>

Well, here?s a possibility . . . 

Some years ago I was commuting between Boston and Denver, back and forth every couple of weeks.  While in my temporary digs in Boston I spilled salt onto the keyboard of my laptop computer.  Actually, I spilled a Magarita, which until then had been in a heavily-salted glass.  For some time after I could hear the crunching of salt crystals when I typed, and the whole thing went berserk with odd sequences of letters and symbols.  I took it home to Denver and it worked fine.  Next trip to Boston, same problem.  Back home to Denver, no problem.  Finally junked it and bought a new one.  Best I could come up with was the relative humidity difference between Boston and Denver.  It?s typically in the seventies in Boston, but between 30 and 40 percent in Denver.  I?ll let the engineers (or the chemists) tell me if that could have explained it.

As an aside, when the spill happened I called the IT guy at my Denver office and said that I had a problem.  He asked if I had any more Tequila and Lime Juice and Triple Sec.  I said I did.  Well, he said, then you don?t have a problem, just mix another drink.  IT was more humane in those days.

Ted, KN1CBR

 -- >
    > On 6/29/2017 8:49 AM, Nr4c wrote:
    > > My K3 (s/n 453x) has been used for FD and other outdoor events plus use
    > at home (till I  rec'd one of the first K3Ss). On at least 2 events in past
    > year it has exhibited little output power. Batteries were checked, cables
    > checked and replaced, to no avail. Display did not show SWR when TUNE
    > button pressed (only "--"). Another K3 was swapped in and everything was
    > fine.
    > > I took radio home and it worked perfectly.
    > >
    > > This year at FD, it quit at around midnight. Even tried <12 W to verify
    > LPA. Result little or almost no power. Checked LPA screws but they were
    > tight.  Voltage on radio was just above 12v on TX. Took it home and it
    > shows no sign of low power. It has worked well all week.
    > >
    > > Reloaded FW from Elecraft and reloaded last CONFIG file (May 2017 just
    > before first event of year and did TX cal at this time).
    > >
    > > Now hooked to dummy load and running stress test with FD CW msg on
    > repeat.
    > >
    > > Anyone have ideas?
    > >
    > > Sent from my iPhone
    > > ...nr4c. bill
 


From richard at lamont.me.uk  Tue Jul  4 16:47:31 2017
From: richard at lamont.me.uk (Richard Lamont)
Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2017 21:47:31 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Shift Setting for WSJTX
In-Reply-To: <7ed02ac0-8876-cab9-6808-815776315c67@audiosystemsgroup.com>
References: <CABBJzNjCBg03WuihJi+WHPiOpSrGJ6XNhg8WjYVfD6=bqgK93w@mail.gmail.com>
	<6a0b7366-95a7-acf6-0ffc-20c14195175d@blomand.net>
	<7ed02ac0-8876-cab9-6808-815776315c67@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Message-ID: <36b11f13-aa19-d406-a7ff-ef5e1197ef8e@lamont.me.uk>

On 04/07/17 18:37, Jim Brown wrote:

> The split mode in WSJT-X is simply a crutch for those who don't know (or
> don't care) how to set audio levels so that distortion is not produced
> in the audio chain.
Sorry, but that's nonsense.

With a strong signal, just 1% distortion will produce audio harmonics
that are only 40-ish dB down on the fundamental. That's plenty to cause
QRM. With these modes it's possible to have work a station that's 60 dB
down on another just a few Hz away. WSJT-X, being based on 16-bit
digital audio, has an inherently high dynamic range.

The split mode exists (a) to enable people to work over a wider range of
frequencies than a single SSB channel, and (b) to ensure that the Tx
audio frequency is always at least 1500 Hz, ensuring that *low-level*
harmonics get filtered out. Even with a clean TX and audio levels set
just so, it's well worth having that extra filtering in place.

73,
Richard G4DYA

From brian.waterworth at gmail.com  Tue Jul  4 16:54:03 2017
From: brian.waterworth at gmail.com (Brian Waterworth)
Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2017 16:54:03 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Shift Setting for WSJTX
In-Reply-To: <4009d258-b170-3ca1-06c6-f84c94e58e8a@blomand.net>
References: <CABBJzNjCBg03WuihJi+WHPiOpSrGJ6XNhg8WjYVfD6=bqgK93w@mail.gmail.com>
	<6a0b7366-95a7-acf6-0ffc-20c14195175d@blomand.net>
	<7ed02ac0-8876-cab9-6808-815776315c67@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<CABBJzNheH53q1s2xFQdo12_-7gwm_j6GwCi_4KJ48gfKzsCnmA@mail.gmail.com>
	<4009d258-b170-3ca1-06c6-f84c94e58e8a@blomand.net>
Message-ID: <CAM34cKfQC2jbhjTu6pCkR3tFrbqpeQGXCwHtnxDOy8KE2thyRQ@mail.gmail.com>

Actually, my experience is different.  If I transmit at the edges of the
bandpass, my signal is attenuated due to the bandpass of the output stage.
I hope I am saying this correctly.  This is why I use split to ensure that
the signal I transmit engages the full power of the KX3.

Now, I have read many times in this forum that the setup of audio based
digital modes only needs to set the audio so you get 4 bars of alc (5th
flickering) and then set the output power to 5w (in my case that is what I
use).  You set these independently of one another.  Fine.  I have done
that.  But, I have observed that if I don't use split mode and I respond to
a cq at the edges of the bandpass (e.g., 200-300hz or 2500-2700hz), my
signal is noticeably weaker.

Have I misconfigured something on the KX3?  The USB sound card I am using
is many times wider than a typical USB signal.

regards,
Brian
VE3IBW



On Tue, Jul 4, 2017 at 2:38 PM, Bob McGraw K4TAX <rmcgraw at blomand.net>
wrote:

> One anomaly which I've just observed with my K3S.  I did set the software
> as suggested for SPLIT mode for WSJT-X / JT-65.   The radio followed as
> expected.   I made a few contacts successfully with this configuration.
>  When I closed WSJT-X I noted it left the radio in SPLIT mode.   I can just
> see all of the confusion and frustration not to mention unintentional QRM
> created by this occurrence.   Another trap to watch for.
>
> Probably in my case, even a better reason not to use SPLIT.   In other
> words, it isn't idiot proof and I've been accused as being as dumb as a box
> of rocks.
>
> 73
>
> Bob, K4TAX
>
>
> On 7/4/2017 1:25 PM, Tom-KQ5S wrote:
>
>> No argument but some folks, particularly those new to WSJTX, read the
>> WSJTX
>> user manual and follow it.  Also split mode is "encouraged" on the WSJT
>> group.
>>
>> Split Operation: Significant advantages result from using Split mode
>> (separate VFOs for Rx and Tx) if your radio supports it. If it does not,
>> WSJT-X can emulate such behavior. Either method will result in a cleaner
>> transmitted signal, by keeping the Tx audio always in the range 1500 to
>> 2000 Hz so that audio harmonics cannot pass through the Tx sideband
>> filter.
>> Select Rig to use the radio?s Split mode, or Fake It to have WSJT-X adjust
>> the VFO frequency as needed, when T/R switching occurs. Choose None if you
>> do not wish to use split operation.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 73,
>> Tom - KQ5S
>>
>> O
>>
>
>
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From frantz at pwpconsult.com  Tue Jul  4 17:04:27 2017
From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz)
Date: Tue,  4 Jul 2017 14:04:27 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Keying CW in SSB Mode
In-Reply-To: <c7627640-b56b-203e-c042-7add21958745@blomand.net>
Message-ID: <r470Ps-10125i-567B37020EFE4778B946C48CA373A62B@Williams-MacBook-Pro.local>

RUMlogNG will use RS-232 commands to the K3(S) to send CW, PSK31 
and RTTY for Mac users.

73 Bill AE6JV

On 7/4/17 at 6:32 AM, rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX) wrote:

>If your software provides CW via the KY CMD, as in HRD/DM780, 
>this is direct CW and is handled in the CW mode by the K3S. Sweet!

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From frantz at pwpconsult.com  Tue Jul  4 17:04:28 2017
From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz)
Date: Tue,  4 Jul 2017 14:04:28 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Idea for the P3
In-Reply-To: <657ad2a1-a971-ed3a-f48d-a569de17db5a@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <r470Ps-10125i-0143FF8B13524E6AB882E90B9EF4470E@Williams-MacBook-Pro.local>

This is the way I use my K3. I use the P3-VGA to see the band 
and tune with the knob (or K-Pod) following the display on the 
VGA. I have not found the marker and knob on the P3 to be fun to use.

73 Bill AE6JV

On 7/3/17 at 4:17 PM, donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) wrote:

>BTW, some other hams used my K3 with P3 for the CW station at 
>Field Day.  At several points they commented "It is like 
>shooting fish in a barrel!".  They ended up looking at the P3 
>rather than at the K3 display most of the time although they 
>tuned with the K3 VFO knob and did not try to point with the 
>marker and tap the knob to QSY.
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From ajzadiraka at gmail.com  Mon Jul  3 21:00:43 2017
From: ajzadiraka at gmail.com (Allan Zadiraka)
Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2017 21:00:43 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Idea for the P3
In-Reply-To: <CACYeN9wv+xxfJRq7Ph2zpk3k4VjpLp_qZgJQ3y6CW2zZw+vXEA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8925D1A4-FAB0-4537-BEEA-229AA68859DA@tesco.net>
	<657ad2a1-a971-ed3a-f48d-a569de17db5a@embarqmail.com>
	<CAMoVco3q5p=nnQzjjHe-Rf2FmycZGYVtpGMvdoi5rKRY1doGtQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CACYeN9wv+xxfJRq7Ph2zpk3k4VjpLp_qZgJQ3y6CW2zZw+vXEA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAMoVco01P4m1X8EdKFmFbeS=OJ9a4-SVA+bw9fJ8pHe4ONjFrA@mail.gmail.com>

Jim

I am using a StarTech.com USB3HDCAP USB 3.0 Video Capture Device to get the
P3 VGA signal into the WIN4K3 panadapter screen.  I purchased the unit off
Amazon.  Had to run the Star Tech video capture software to  set the
connection up and then just ran WIN4K3 and set it up per instructions.
Actually was simpler to get working than the virtual COM ports.

The developer of WIN4K3, va2fsq, advised that it had to be a USB 3.0 port
to work.

zeke  ab8ou


*Allan Zadiraka*
*AB8OU*
4110 State Rd    Akron, OH 44319    Work:  234-738-4578    Cell:
330.760.4569    Home:  330.644.1839



On Mon, Jul 3, 2017 at 8:45 PM, Jim Miller <jim at jtmiller.com> wrote:

> Allan
>
> What VGA USB capture card and software did you use? My attempt at this
> hasn't worked out.
>
> Thanks!
>
> jim ab3cv
>
> On Mon, Jul 3, 2017 at 8:37 PM, Allan Zadiraka <ajzadiraka at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> The WIN4K3 rig control software provides control of the P3 as well as the
>> K3.  With a VGA capture card feeding the VGA image to the computer over a
>> USB 3.0 connection, the P3 is replicated in a resizeable window on the
>> computer. It adds the ability to point & click on the screen or use the
>> mouse roll wheel to tune the K3 frequency..  With it, I almost never look
>> at or touch the P3 itself and am thinking about moving the P3 off the
>> operating desk.
>>
>> zeke,  ab8ou
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 3, 2017 at 7:17 PM, Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > Paul,
>> >
>> > The P3 does not have a digital data stream output, and I am certain what
>> > it has is not compatible with any input to the computer.
>> > You can add the SVGA option to obtain a greatly enlarged display,
>> keyboard
>> > support for entering data mode text or CW, and display of the K3 decoded
>> > PSK31/63, RTTY or CW.
>> >
>> > If you want to continue to use the SoftRock in conjunction with the P3,
>> > there is an IF OUT from the P3 which will allow you to do exactly that.
>> >
>> > BTW, some other hams used my K3 with P3 for the CW station at Field Day.
>> > At several points they commented "It is like shooting fish in a
>> barrel!".
>> > They ended up looking at the P3 rather than at the K3 display most of
>> the
>> > time although they tuned with the K3 VFO knob and did not try to point
>> with
>> > the marker and tap the knob to QSY.
>> >
>> > 73,
>> > Don W3FPR
>> >
>> > On 7/3/2017 2:53 PM, Paul Wilton wrote:
>> >
>> >> Having been playing around with the P3 for the first time, can I
>> suggest
>> >> a future feature please. Whilst the built in display is very nice, it
>> would
>> >> be helpful if it were possible to get the spectrum data in a PC in
>> realtime
>> >> (ish). There are a couple of applications for this but the main one is
>> to
>> >> integrate the waterfall/spectrum with DX spots. At the moment I run
>> N1MM+
>> >> for VHF contesting. My station is optimised for Search and Pounce
>> (S&P). I
>> >> have an IF tap into my K2 and use a soft rock plus USB sound card to
>> get a
>> >> waterfall band map using Waterfall Bandmap(WBM).  WBM integrates with
>> N1MM+
>> >> and shows cluster spots/stations I have worked) along the frequency
>> axis.
>> >> Hence if I see signals in the waterfall I can quickly see if I have
>> >> worked/need them.
>> >>
>> >> ______________________________________________________________
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From richard at lamont.me.uk  Tue Jul  4 17:16:05 2017
From: richard at lamont.me.uk (Richard Lamont)
Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2017 22:16:05 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Shift Setting for WSJTX
In-Reply-To: <c2ea28e6-9536-ab69-73dc-4366878a52e0@lamont.me.uk>
References: <c2ea28e6-9536-ab69-73dc-4366878a52e0@lamont.me.uk>
Message-ID: <7df03458-3b88-70eb-d9a8-94adfb465e34@lamont.me.uk>

On 04/07/17 19:38, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote:

> One anomaly which I've just observed with my K3S.  I did set the
> software as suggested for SPLIT mode for WSJT-X / JT-65.   The radio
> followed as expected.   I made a few contacts successfully with this
> configuration.   When I closed WSJT-X I noted it left the radio in SPLIT
> mode.   I can just see all of the confusion and frustration not to
> mention unintentional QRM created by this occurrence.   Another trap to
> watch for.
> 
> Probably in my case, even a better reason not to use SPLIT.   In other
> words, it isn't idiot proof and I've been accused as being as dumb as a
> box of rocks.

I use a macro to unset all the WSJT-X-specific settings on my rig when I
switch to another mode. Among other things it unsplits and turns AGC
back on.

73,
Richard G4DYA

From ava622 at verizon.net  Tue Jul  4 17:29:34 2017
From: ava622 at verizon.net (Michael Aust)
Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2017 17:29:34 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] What are the RF devices in the KPA1500 Amp?
Message-ID: <15d0f8228fb-1942-96fe@webprd-m81.mail.aol.com>

What are the RF devices in the New 1500Watt KPA1500 Amp?


Mike





From k6dgw at foothill.net  Tue Jul  4 17:42:03 2017
From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen)
Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2017 14:42:03 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3/K3s: Question(s) CW via audio into SSB transceiver
Message-ID: <597fe504-7f6c-66fd-2d06-a64449cd4684@foothill.net>

All the discussion raises a couple of questions for me:

I believe [but do not really "know"] that Collins began this with the 
KWM-2/2A and the S-Line.  The key line keyed an audio oscillator which 
must have been very sinusoidal and free of noisebecause the CW spectrum 
was very clean.  Is this true?

When I run RTTY here at home [K3], I use AFSK from MMTTY and the 
computer sound card.  I've looked at the spectrum and it's very clean. I 
was under the impression thata single frequency from a sound card is 
very sinusoidal with very low harmonic content and other artifacts given 
that it's constructed from a nearly exact data stream.

I know about the Windoze noises, mine are turned off.  If it works for 
RTTY on my K3, why wouldn't CW also work equally well?  My sidetone is 
set at 580 Hz, a sweet spot in otherwise lousy hearing. If I'm on USB 
with someone and send something on CW, I think he hears it at 580 Hz.  Yes?

73,

Fred ("Skip") K6DGW
Sparks NV USA
Washoe County DM09dn




From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Tue Jul  4 17:56:02 2017
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2017 14:56:02 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Shift Setting for WSJTX
In-Reply-To: <36b11f13-aa19-d406-a7ff-ef5e1197ef8e@lamont.me.uk>
References: <CABBJzNjCBg03WuihJi+WHPiOpSrGJ6XNhg8WjYVfD6=bqgK93w@mail.gmail.com>
	<6a0b7366-95a7-acf6-0ffc-20c14195175d@blomand.net>
	<7ed02ac0-8876-cab9-6808-815776315c67@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<36b11f13-aa19-d406-a7ff-ef5e1197ef8e@lamont.me.uk>
Message-ID: <74d58564-66ed-9700-89a6-d5bf371fb3c5@audiosystemsgroup.com>

Richard,

Not nonsense at all.  WSJT-X is VERY robust in the ability to reject 
this sort of QRM. The screen grab below is a great example.  I continue 
to be amazed by the decoding in WSJT-X. About 10 days ago, W0OGH 
accidentally got out of sync with JA7QVI, calling on his TX cycle, and 
on the same frequency. As this screen grab clearly shows, W0OGH was 9 dB 
stronger on the 0053Z cycle and 12 dB stronger on the 0055Z cycle, yet 
both signals were decoded without error!

During a wonderful 6M opening this past Friday evening west coast time, 
I had a LOT of JT65/JT9 passes with more than 20 clean decodes on each 
pass. I regularly see decodes in the -20 to -28 range, even with very 
strong signals capturing the AGC. It's only necessary to keep peak 
signal levels to the A/D below digital clip.

73, Jim K9YC

=   =   =   =   =   =   =   =  =   =

0053 -23  0.3 2788 @  K1JT W7AH DM42

0053 -14  0.1  817 #  JA7QVI W0OGH DM52

0053 -24  0.0 1274 #  CQ DX JF3DRI PM74

0053 -14  0.2 1590 #  N4GBK N6ML CM97

0053 -23  0.6  817 #  CQ DX JA7QVI QM08

------------------------------------- 6m

0055  -7  0.1  817 #  JA7QVI W0OGH DM52

0055 -22 -0.0 1274 #  CQ DX JF3DRI PM74

0055 -16  0.2 1588 #  N4GBK N6ML R-07

0055 -19  0.6  816 #  N6WS JA7QVI R-06


On 7/4/2017 1:47 PM, Richard Lamont wrote:
> On 04/07/17 18:37, Jim Brown wrote:
>
>> The split mode in WSJT-X is simply a crutch for those who don't know (or
>> don't care) how to set audio levels so that distortion is not produced
>> in the audio chain.
> Sorry, but that's nonsense.
>
> With a strong signal, just 1% distortion will produce audio harmonics
> that are only 40-ish dB down on the fundamental. That's plenty to cause
> QRM. With these modes it's possible to have work a station that's 60 dB
> down on another just a few Hz away. WSJT-X, being based on 16-bit
> digital audio, has an inherently high dynamic range.
>
> The split mode exists (a) to enable people to work over a wider range of
> frequencies than a single SSB channel, and (b) to ensure that the Tx
> audio frequency is always at least 1500 Hz, ensuring that *low-level*
> harmonics get filtered out. Even with a clean TX and audio levels set
> just so, it's well worth having that extra filtering in place.
>
> 73,
> Richard G4DYA
> ______________________________________________________________
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From ken at arkayengravers.com  Tue Jul  4 09:57:49 2017
From: ken at arkayengravers.com (Ken Kaplan)
Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2017 09:57:49 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft engraved bezels and brass ID plates
Message-ID: <66a5678f-aade-fd65-8a4b-ead25f523cf3@arkayengravers.com>

Hi all.
Thanks for all the kind responses to my retirement.
I also received inquires about ordering plates, before I stop working.

SOOOO, I will take orders for Elecraft acrylic bezels and brass ID 
plates UNTIL JULY 18th.
On the morning of the 19th I will place a final order with Elecraft.
I will email Paypal (or Square if you don't like Paypal) invoices as I 
get orders,
but I will hold all paid orders until the plates arrive from Elecraft.
I assume all orders will be completed by the end of July.

There is a possibility I can supply bezels for the KPA1500. I have not 
inquired about pricing
or availability, but if you are interested please email me.

73
Ken WB2ART





From k3ww at fast.net  Tue Jul  4 18:24:12 2017
From: k3ww at fast.net (k3ww at fast.net)
Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2017 17:24:12 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K2 SOLD!
Message-ID: <20170704182412.XJ80L.38856.root@pamxwww05-z02>

	First time selling any of my Elecraft stuff.  Nice to know how easy it can be.


73 Chas K3WW 

From richard at lamont.me.uk  Tue Jul  4 18:43:29 2017
From: richard at lamont.me.uk (Richard Lamont)
Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2017 23:43:29 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Shift Setting for WSJTX
In-Reply-To: <74d58564-66ed-9700-89a6-d5bf371fb3c5@audiosystemsgroup.com>
References: <CABBJzNjCBg03WuihJi+WHPiOpSrGJ6XNhg8WjYVfD6=bqgK93w@mail.gmail.com>
	<6a0b7366-95a7-acf6-0ffc-20c14195175d@blomand.net>
	<7ed02ac0-8876-cab9-6808-815776315c67@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<36b11f13-aa19-d406-a7ff-ef5e1197ef8e@lamont.me.uk>
	<74d58564-66ed-9700-89a6-d5bf371fb3c5@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Message-ID: <22c353b6-e027-d284-cf41-b3adc9f4fc51@lamont.me.uk>

On 04/07/17 22:56, Jim Brown wrote:
> Richard,
> 
> Not nonsense at all.  WSJT-X is VERY robust in the ability to reject
> this sort of QRM. The screen grab below is a great example.  I continue
> to be amazed by the decoding in WSJT-X. About 10 days ago, W0OGH
> accidentally got out of sync with JA7QVI, calling on his TX cycle, and
> on the same frequency. As this screen grab clearly shows, W0OGH was 9 dB
> stronger on the 0053Z cycle and 12 dB stronger on the 0055Z cycle, yet
> both signals were decoded without error!
> 
> During a wonderful 6M opening this past Friday evening west coast time,
> I had a LOT of JT65/JT9 passes with more than 20 clean decodes on each
> pass. I regularly see decodes in the -20 to -28 range, even with very
> strong signals capturing the AGC. It's only necessary to keep peak
> signal levels to the A/D below digital clip.

That's receive levels. I was talking about Tx distortion.

While it's certainly the case that WSJT-X's two-pass decoder can
*sometimes* decode weak signals underneath overlapping strong ones, this
isn't always the case and it can never be a magic cure all. That would
have Claude and Harry spinning in their graves. Any kind of spurious
crud will raise the noise floor, which is always a bad thing.

Also, harmonics really clutter the waterfall. A JT65 signal on, say 700
Hz, will appear between 700-878 Hz. The second and third harmonics will
appear between 1400-1756 and 2100-2634 Hz. Just one distorted JT65
signal easily mess up over a kHz of bandwidth in total. With a busy band
this can turn the display into an incomprehensible mush.

Also, audio harmonics of JT65 signals can spread into the part of the
band used by JT9, which does not have a two-pass decoder.

The WSJT-X developers are a *very* clever team of 25 people, led by a
Nobel-prize winning professor of physics at Princeton, who have
considered all this stuff over many years with a forensic, mathematical
rigour of the kind that most of us can only guess at. If they say that
it's a good idea to keep TX audio above 1500 Hz, I think I'll trust
their word over yours.

73,
Richard G4DYA


73,
Richard G4DYA





From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Tue Jul  4 19:03:11 2017
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2017 16:03:11 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3/K3s: Question(s) CW via audio into SSB transceiver
In-Reply-To: <597fe504-7f6c-66fd-2d06-a64449cd4684@foothill.net>
References: <597fe504-7f6c-66fd-2d06-a64449cd4684@foothill.net>
Message-ID: <346d01fd-44de-ff85-28c6-21208ee24909@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On 7/4/2017 2:42 PM, Fred Jensen wrote:
> All the discussion raises a couple of questions for me:
>
> I believe [but do not really "know"] that Collins began this with the 
> KWM-2/2A and the S-Line.  The key line keyed an audio oscillator which 
> must have been very sinusoidal and free of noisebecause the CW 
> spectrum was very clean.  Is this true?

If Collins did it, it was probably very low distortion and low noise. :)

> When I run RTTY here at home [K3], I use AFSK from MMTTY and the 
> computer sound card.  I've looked at the spectrum and it's very clean. 
> I was under the impression thata single frequency from a sound card is 
> very sinusoidal with very low harmonic content and other artifacts 
> given that it's constructed from a nearly exact data stream.

That depends a lot on the sound card and how levels are set. Some are 
cleaner than others.  It's reasonable to assume that if it's built into 
a computer, especially a laptop, it ain't great.  About ten years ago 
when I was still using a Thinkpad  to run rather sophisticated audio 
measurement and analysis software, I looked carefully at the output of 
the sound card.  Just below clip, 2nd harmonic was only -30 dB re a sine 
wave tone; reducing the output level by 6 dB brought the second harmonic 
to -40 dB from the tone. I have long recommended the use of USB audio 
interfaces designed for use in small audio studios. Although I've not 
measured them for distortion, I would be VERY surprised if THD is 
greater than 0.5% just below clip, and that distortion will likely be 
predominantly 2nd and 3rd.

See http://k9yc.com/USB_Interfaces.pdf

> I know about the Windoze noises, mine are turned off.  If it works for 
> RTTY on my K3, why wouldn't CW also work equally well? 

It all comes down to the quality of the sound interface, how levels are 
set, and proper wiring between computer and radio.   Wiring is addressed 
in this set of slides.  Don't let the filename fool you -- this talk 
attempts to cover ALL aspects of power, grounding, bonding, and audio 
interconnections for ham radio.

http://k9yc.com/GroundingAndAudio.pdf

I've heard absolutely awful CW sent as SSB, but it's the result of 
complete ignorance of the concepts in these two pdf files.


> My sidetone is set at 580 Hz, a sweet spot in otherwise lousy hearing. 
> If I'm on USB with someone and send something on CW, I think he hears 
> it at 580 Hz.  Yes?

It depends on how his RX is set. Remember, in SSB mode, the frequency 
readout is the frequency of the suppressed carrier. If he's listening in 
SSB mode, yes. But if he's listening in CW mode, he'll need to tune 
either +/- 580 Hz from your SSB suppressed carrier frequency, depending 
on whether you're using USB or LSB. That's the difference that the  
settings Wayne talked about earlier today are designed to compensate. 
The CW in SSB mode adds or subtracts the audio tone frequency from the 
suppressed carrier frequency.

73, Jim K9YC


From k6xk at ncn.net  Tue Jul  4 19:18:53 2017
From: k6xk at ncn.net (Roy Koeppe)
Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2017 18:18:53 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] What are the RF devices in the New 1500Watt KPA1500
	Amp?
Message-ID: <28966D8289584C4490A15B3FF161FBA5@ROYKOEPPEHP>

Two BLF188

73,    Roy    K6XK

From dave at nk7z.net  Tue Jul  4 19:25:32 2017
From: dave at nk7z.net (Dave Cole)
Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2017 16:25:32 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Old Style Sub Receiver Wanted
In-Reply-To: <CACnmA1P1FCPfgWu0L5oJyvX3kNmH1wCOkWtVe1_sz7u8_wkJyQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <666f712d-f724-1982-cd1b-ae84cfe175dc@semaos.plus.com>
	<9AC26FC0-6628-4A20-9F2E-CD9494A6537C@gmail.com>
	<CACnmA1P1FCPfgWu0L5oJyvX3kNmH1wCOkWtVe1_sz7u8_wkJyQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <dd5f3252-0fb0-a6d7-76d9-e5a899beb523@nk7z.net>

Which begs teh question...  Why?

73s and thanks,
Dave
NK7Z
http://www.nk7z.net

On 07/04/2017 10:44 AM, Randy Lake wrote:
> Buy a new Sub and I am sure someone on here would be more than happy to,
> for shipping, get you an old Synth board.
> Just a thought.
> Randy N1KWF

From KX3.1 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com  Tue Jul  4 19:27:37 2017
From: KX3.1 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com (Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT)
Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2017 16:27:37 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3/K3s: Question(s) CW via audio into SSB transceiver
In-Reply-To: <346d01fd-44de-ff85-28c6-21208ee24909@audiosystemsgroup.com>
References: <597fe504-7f6c-66fd-2d06-a64449cd4684@foothill.net>
	<346d01fd-44de-ff85-28c6-21208ee24909@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Message-ID: <5ff0920b-5455-987e-6d30-4cde1f9330ce@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com>

Jim,

Would you mind giving a few examples of these?  When I go looking I 
often find things that are clearly far more than I want, or are actual 
MIDI interfaces instead of USB sound cards.

73 -- Lynn

On 7/4/2017 4:03 PM, Jim Brown wrote:
> I have long recommended the use of USB audio interfaces designed for use 
> in small audio studios. Although I've not measured them for distortion, 
> I would be VERY surprised if THD is greater than 0.5% just below clip, 
> and that distortion will likely be predominantly 2nd and 3rd.

From randyn1kwf at gmail.com  Tue Jul  4 19:39:08 2017
From: randyn1kwf at gmail.com (Randy Lake)
Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2017 19:39:08 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Old Style Sub Receiver Wanted
In-Reply-To: <dd5f3252-0fb0-a6d7-76d9-e5a899beb523@nk7z.net>
References: <666f712d-f724-1982-cd1b-ae84cfe175dc@semaos.plus.com>
	<9AC26FC0-6628-4A20-9F2E-CD9494A6537C@gmail.com>
	<CACnmA1P1FCPfgWu0L5oJyvX3kNmH1wCOkWtVe1_sz7u8_wkJyQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<dd5f3252-0fb0-a6d7-76d9-e5a899beb523@nk7z.net>
Message-ID: <CACnmA1OWf4757Lnm0k0HT6nJ2V9UADSkKzU_HLtmHDYGji=XRQ@mail.gmail.com>

Because he said he does not have the money to buy the additional Syn board
that will be needed for the main RX when he buys the Sub

On Tue, Jul 4, 2017 at 7:25 PM, Dave Cole <dave at nk7z.net> wrote:

> Which begs teh question...  Why?
>
> 73s and thanks,
> Dave
> NK7Z
> http://www.nk7z.net
>
> On 07/04/2017 10:44 AM, Randy Lake wrote:
>
>> Buy a new Sub and I am sure someone on here would be more than happy to,
>> for shipping, get you an old Synth board.
>> Just a thought.
>> Randy N1KWF
>>
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-- 
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73 Gunn Rd.
Keene,NH

From dave at nk7z.net  Tue Jul  4 19:42:13 2017
From: dave at nk7z.net (Dave Cole)
Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2017 16:42:13 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Old Style Sub Receiver Wanted
In-Reply-To: <CACnmA1OWf4757Lnm0k0HT6nJ2V9UADSkKzU_HLtmHDYGji=XRQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <666f712d-f724-1982-cd1b-ae84cfe175dc@semaos.plus.com>
	<9AC26FC0-6628-4A20-9F2E-CD9494A6537C@gmail.com>
	<CACnmA1P1FCPfgWu0L5oJyvX3kNmH1wCOkWtVe1_sz7u8_wkJyQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<dd5f3252-0fb0-a6d7-76d9-e5a899beb523@nk7z.net>
	<CACnmA1OWf4757Lnm0k0HT6nJ2V9UADSkKzU_HLtmHDYGji=XRQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d24ef3e2-58c9-4514-2732-5de87a23ce5c@nk7z.net>

Did not see that, thanks!

73s and thanks,
Dave
NK7Z
http://www.nk7z.net

On 07/04/2017 04:39 PM, Randy Lake wrote:
> Because he said he does not have the money to buy the additional Syn
> board that will be needed for the main RX when he buys the Sub
>
> On Tue, Jul 4, 2017 at 7:25 PM, Dave Cole <dave at nk7z.net
> <mailto:dave at nk7z.net>> wrote:
>
>     Which begs teh question...  Why?
>
>     73s and thanks,
>     Dave
>     NK7Z
>     http://www.nk7z.net
>
>     On 07/04/2017 10:44 AM, Randy Lake wrote:
>
>         Buy a new Sub and I am sure someone on here would be more than
>         happy to,
>         for shipping, get you an old Synth board.
>         Just a thought.
>         Randy N1KWF
>
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From wunder at wunderwood.org  Tue Jul  4 19:50:35 2017
From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood)
Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2017 16:50:35 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Old Style Sub Receiver Wanted
In-Reply-To: <d24ef3e2-58c9-4514-2732-5de87a23ce5c@nk7z.net>
References: <666f712d-f724-1982-cd1b-ae84cfe175dc@semaos.plus.com>
	<9AC26FC0-6628-4A20-9F2E-CD9494A6537C@gmail.com>
	<CACnmA1P1FCPfgWu0L5oJyvX3kNmH1wCOkWtVe1_sz7u8_wkJyQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<dd5f3252-0fb0-a6d7-76d9-e5a899beb523@nk7z.net>
	<CACnmA1OWf4757Lnm0k0HT6nJ2V9UADSkKzU_HLtmHDYGji=XRQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<d24ef3e2-58c9-4514-2732-5de87a23ce5c@nk7z.net>
Message-ID: <FC8A6FAD-996A-4A4A-B93F-69A22A68C9F5@wunderwood.org>

Maybe get a new style sub receiver and swap out the synth for an old one? Then an upgrade only means buying one new synth for the main and swapping back in the synth on the sub.

wunder
Walter Underwood
wunder at wunderwood.org
http://observer.wunderwood.org/  (my blog)


> On Jul 4, 2017, at 4:42 PM, Dave Cole <dave at nk7z.net> wrote:
> 
> Did not see that, thanks!
> 
> 73s and thanks,
> Dave
> NK7Z
> http://www.nk7z.net
> 
> On 07/04/2017 04:39 PM, Randy Lake wrote:
>> Because he said he does not have the money to buy the additional Syn
>> board that will be needed for the main RX when he buys the Sub
>> 
>> On Tue, Jul 4, 2017 at 7:25 PM, Dave Cole <dave at nk7z.net
>> <mailto:dave at nk7z.net>> wrote:
>> 
>>    Which begs teh question...  Why?
>> 
>>    73s and thanks,
>>    Dave
>>    NK7Z
>>    http://www.nk7z.net
>> 
>>    On 07/04/2017 10:44 AM, Randy Lake wrote:
>> 
>>        Buy a new Sub and I am sure someone on here would be more than
>>        happy to,
>>        for shipping, get you an old Synth board.
>>        Just a thought.
>>        Randy N1KWF
>> 
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>> 
>> 
>> 
>> --
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>> 73 Gunn Rd.
>> Keene,NH
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From ch at murgatroid.com  Tue Jul  4 20:01:03 2017
From: ch at murgatroid.com (Christopher Hoover)
Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2017 17:01:03 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Shift Setting for WSJTX
In-Reply-To: <22c353b6-e027-d284-cf41-b3adc9f4fc51@lamont.me.uk>
References: <CABBJzNjCBg03WuihJi+WHPiOpSrGJ6XNhg8WjYVfD6=bqgK93w@mail.gmail.com>
	<6a0b7366-95a7-acf6-0ffc-20c14195175d@blomand.net>
	<7ed02ac0-8876-cab9-6808-815776315c67@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<36b11f13-aa19-d406-a7ff-ef5e1197ef8e@lamont.me.uk>
	<74d58564-66ed-9700-89a6-d5bf371fb3c5@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<22c353b6-e027-d284-cf41-b3adc9f4fc51@lamont.me.uk>
Message-ID: <CACw0PsYeO-9wTps9Ebi9hXWweK_Vf825ZFZUcjFoNqqmnFTYUw@mail.gmail.com>

I use  fake it mode for split on my K3S, data mode, 4.00 on bandwidth, 1.5
for shift.    Works great.

The rig control for WSJT-X split is not reliable for me.    I build from
tip of tree from the repo with either hamlib-3.1 or hamlib git, so it is
certainly possible I am seeing a regression that is not in older, stable
releases.   (I looked at the code that handles split mode to try to fix it
... shivers.)

73 de AI6KG



On Tue, Jul 4, 2017 at 3:43 PM, Richard Lamont <richard at lamont.me.uk> wrote:

> On 04/07/17 22:56, Jim Brown wrote:
> > Richard,
> >
> > Not nonsense at all.  WSJT-X is VERY robust in the ability to reject
> > this sort of QRM. The screen grab below is a great example.  I continue
> > to be amazed by the decoding in WSJT-X. About 10 days ago, W0OGH
> > accidentally got out of sync with JA7QVI, calling on his TX cycle, and
> > on the same frequency. As this screen grab clearly shows, W0OGH was 9 dB
> > stronger on the 0053Z cycle and 12 dB stronger on the 0055Z cycle, yet
> > both signals were decoded without error!
> >
> > During a wonderful 6M opening this past Friday evening west coast time,
> > I had a LOT of JT65/JT9 passes with more than 20 clean decodes on each
> > pass. I regularly see decodes in the -20 to -28 range, even with very
> > strong signals capturing the AGC. It's only necessary to keep peak
> > signal levels to the A/D below digital clip.
>
> That's receive levels. I was talking about Tx distortion.
>
> While it's certainly the case that WSJT-X's two-pass decoder can
> *sometimes* decode weak signals underneath overlapping strong ones, this
> isn't always the case and it can never be a magic cure all. That would
> have Claude and Harry spinning in their graves. Any kind of spurious
> crud will raise the noise floor, which is always a bad thing.
>
> Also, harmonics really clutter the waterfall. A JT65 signal on, say 700
> Hz, will appear between 700-878 Hz. The second and third harmonics will
> appear between 1400-1756 and 2100-2634 Hz. Just one distorted JT65
> signal easily mess up over a kHz of bandwidth in total. With a busy band
> this can turn the display into an incomprehensible mush.
>
> Also, audio harmonics of JT65 signals can spread into the part of the
> band used by JT9, which does not have a two-pass decoder.
>
> The WSJT-X developers are a *very* clever team of 25 people, led by a
> Nobel-prize winning professor of physics at Princeton, who have
> considered all this stuff over many years with a forensic, mathematical
> rigour of the kind that most of us can only guess at. If they say that
> it's a good idea to keep TX audio above 1500 Hz, I think I'll trust
> their word over yours.
>
> 73,
> Richard G4DYA
>
>
> 73,
> Richard G4DYA
>
>
>
>
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From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Tue Jul  4 20:33:16 2017
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2017 17:33:16 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Shift Setting for WSJTX
In-Reply-To: <22c353b6-e027-d284-cf41-b3adc9f4fc51@lamont.me.uk>
References: <CABBJzNjCBg03WuihJi+WHPiOpSrGJ6XNhg8WjYVfD6=bqgK93w@mail.gmail.com>
	<6a0b7366-95a7-acf6-0ffc-20c14195175d@blomand.net>
	<7ed02ac0-8876-cab9-6808-815776315c67@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<36b11f13-aa19-d406-a7ff-ef5e1197ef8e@lamont.me.uk>
	<74d58564-66ed-9700-89a6-d5bf371fb3c5@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<22c353b6-e027-d284-cf41-b3adc9f4fc51@lamont.me.uk>
Message-ID: <d87a1266-3a7c-2303-5f94-6b27fd0d9bee@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On 7/4/2017 3:43 PM, Richard Lamont wrote:
> That's receive levels. I was talking about Tx distortion.

The distortion I measured was for TX mode -- sound interface to radio.

Richard -- I'm a Fellow of the Audio Engineering Society, BSEE, retired, 
worked in both audio and broadcasting. I'm VERY aware of distortion 
products and the mechanisms that produce them. I also TAUGHT this stuff. 
Your concerns are overblown.

FWIW, I am FAR more concerned with distortions produced in ham gear at RF.

73, Jim K9YC


From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Tue Jul  4 21:26:02 2017
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2017 18:26:02 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] (OT) It finally died...
In-Reply-To: <c318524c-e45d-743a-3cbc-7cd3be19e7b2@kanafi.org>
References: <c318524c-e45d-743a-3cbc-7cd3be19e7b2@kanafi.org>
Message-ID: <8f761855-eeb4-c686-8d38-879660fef3b4@audiosystemsgroup.com>

HI Phil,

I suggest that you take a look at various SDR RX options and the 
half-dozen or so software programs written to control them. I have an 
SDR-Play RSP 1, about $130 from HRO, and a FunCube Dongle ProPlus, about 
$175 from the UK.  These are both VERY versatile products, and have 
surprisingly good performance. There's a brief outline of their 
performance for chasing RFI in k9yc.com/KillingRXNoiseVisalia.pdf that 
is focused on their usefulness as spectrum displays to identify types of 
RFI, and to chase RFI. But they are good for FAR more than that.  Here's 
a better summary of what's available.

http://www.rtl-sdr.com/roundup-software-defined-radios/

http://www.rtl-sdr.com/big-list-rtl-sdr-supported-software/

ND0B, who has a serious VHF/UHF station and is one grid away from 
completing the FFMA award for working all 6M grids in the continental US 
(see his qrz.com page), says that he would not have worked our 
expedition to the very rare CM79 grid without an RTL dongle and Simon 
Brown's SDR Console software!  He says it outperforms his Flex 6700 for 
sensitivity and noise.  Simon, G4ELI, is a fine programmer, and was the 
author of the original Ham Radio Deluxe software, and a digital mode 
TX/RX program to go with it.  He sold that software several years ago 
because support was pulling too much time away from programming.

http://www.nn4f.com/SDR-Console-SDRPlay-RSP_QuickGuideTips.pdf

http://sdr-radio.com/

I've been busy with other projects, so haven't gone beyond loading 
software and verifying that everything works. I'd be willing to bet that 
there's free software to do damn near anything with these radios!  
There's software to trace aircraft beacons, decode broadcast TV in 
various formats, SWL, and ham operation.  To use them as a SWL RX, 
simply plug the SDR into a USB port and listen on computer speaker, 
headphones, or a stereo rig connected to an audio output of the computer.

73, Jim K9YC

On 7/2/2017 1:44 PM, Phil Kane wrote:
>   32 years ago I acquired a Kenwood R-5000 Communications Receiver
> (LF-MF-HF) that had been used as a SWL RX and traded in by the original
> owner.  It must be nearly 40 years old and it finally died - synthesizer
> and display quit and I have neither the facilities nor the dexterity or
> visual acuity to make any repairs in it.  (Sometimes we reach that point...)
>
> Now I need to replace it.    My K2 has a great receiver but limited to
> ham bands - I do quite a bit of monitoring on HF outside of the ham
> bands (SSB, RTTY, SITOR).  I've used a Ten-Tec RX320D SDR but it was
> made for SWL use and doesn't have the necessary sensitivity to do the
> job and TT abandoned it years ago.
>
> Anyone have a suggestion for replacement?  Something like the receive
> section of a K3s would be nice... :)


From jimk8mr at aol.com  Tue Jul  4 21:48:55 2017
From: jimk8mr at aol.com (jimk8mr at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2017 21:48:55 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Keying CW in SSB Mode
In-Reply-To: <532F5ABC-CF78-4E08-BA82-0D5A3599925B@law.du.edu>
References: <532F5ABC-CF78-4E08-BA82-0D5A3599925B@law.du.edu>
Message-ID: <15d106f9950-58bf-14411@webprd-a08.mail.aol.com>


 It is very common on VHF to switch to CW to call a guy who is transmitting on SSB, most often after calling him on SSB doesn't get through. CW in SSB makes it unnecessary to switch modes to do so.


73  -  Jim   K8MR

 

 

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To: elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Tue, Jul 4, 2017 8:44 pm
Subject: [Elecraft] Keying CW in SSB Mode

Regarding keying to produce CW in SSB mode ? I mean this as a question, not a criticism ? why would someone want to do it?  If both ends of the QSO are using SSB then, as I understand it, there is no relative frequency offset between them.  But there would be for any other station using CW mode for CW.  Do I have that right?  If so, what?s the advantage of using SSB mode for CW operations?  Is it that using SSB allows programmed keying from a computer generated audio tone?  Wouldn?t something like a Winkeyer and N1MM allow the same operation in CW mode itself?    

Ted, KN1CBR

    

From ajzadiraka at gmail.com  Tue Jul  4 21:48:38 2017
From: ajzadiraka at gmail.com (Allan Zadiraka)
Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2017 21:48:38 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Idea for the P3
In-Reply-To: <0dee6b48348f51ed1e218245c3e706af@smtp.videotron.ca>
References: <0dee6b48348f51ed1e218245c3e706af@smtp.videotron.ca>
Message-ID: <CAMoVco3-N2nuD_e2+X_sTg2Xor6K8XzyCiv7++f9vQOPhCbgOQ@mail.gmail.com>

Tom
Actually, the Startech  USB3HDCAP USB 3 0 HD Video Capture Device is small
standalone box and not a card as I referred to it.   Amazon shows it still
available for $175-250.  As I recall, I ran the Startech software and
obtained the P3 images in their window.  Shut down the Startech software
and ran Win4K3 and set the panadapter display up following the Win4K3
instructions.

It does not superimpose a bandmap/cluster spots onto the image.  The P3
vertical format would not lend itself to superimposing spots on the image.
 "Waterfall Bandmap" software is on my SOMEDAY/MAYBE list.

zeke  ab8ou



On Mon, Jul 3, 2017 at 10:43 PM, tomb18 <tomb18 at videotron.ca> wrote:

> Could I have more information about this please? Currently win4k3suite can
> support a p3 with svga and a video capture board. The problem is vga
> capture boards are rare these days and the ones that are available now cost
> over 600.Having such a device may be an option for win4k3suite if
> feasible. Thanks for any info. 73 Tom va2fsq.com
>
>
> Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
> -------- Original message --------From: Bill Frantz <frantz at pwpconsult.com>
> Date: 2017-07-03  4:53 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: k6dgw at foothill.net Cc:
> elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Idea for the P3
> Wayne has posted about using a device which sends VGA over IP to
> a remote location to display the P3 VGA display remotely. That
> is off-the-shelf hardware he got from, I think, Amazon.
>
> 73 Bill AE6JV
>
> On 7/3/17 at 1:38 PM, k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen) wrote:
>
> >It would be a nice featurefor remote operators. I operate W7RN
> >remotely from my home.  When my K3 is in TERM mode controlling
> >the remote radio, my P3 sees the last frequency I was on
> >locally +/- 10 KHz [I usually leave it on 20 KHz span], usually
> >on 80 meters from the previous night.  The K3 receiver, up to
> >the ADC I think, is still operating in TERM mode, and I can see
> >signals in that range.  The P3 is what I look at 99.5% of the
> >time and I miss it when running remote.  The only option I
> >would have now is about 60 km of RG-58 to bring the 1st IF down
> >to my P3. [:-))
> ------------------------------------------------------------
> ---------------
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From n0nb at n0nb.us  Tue Jul  4 22:10:06 2017
From: n0nb at n0nb.us (Nate Bargmann)
Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2017 21:10:06 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Shift Setting for WSJTX
In-Reply-To: <CACw0PsYeO-9wTps9Ebi9hXWweK_Vf825ZFZUcjFoNqqmnFTYUw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABBJzNjCBg03WuihJi+WHPiOpSrGJ6XNhg8WjYVfD6=bqgK93w@mail.gmail.com>
	<6a0b7366-95a7-acf6-0ffc-20c14195175d@blomand.net>
	<7ed02ac0-8876-cab9-6808-815776315c67@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<36b11f13-aa19-d406-a7ff-ef5e1197ef8e@lamont.me.uk>
	<74d58564-66ed-9700-89a6-d5bf371fb3c5@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<22c353b6-e027-d284-cf41-b3adc9f4fc51@lamont.me.uk>
	<CACw0PsYeO-9wTps9Ebi9hXWweK_Vf825ZFZUcjFoNqqmnFTYUw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20170705021006.GW4160@n0nb.us>

* On 2017 04 Jul 19:03 -0500, Christopher Hoover wrote:
> I use  fake it mode for split on my K3S, data mode, 4.00 on bandwidth, 1.5
> for shift.    Works great.
> 
> The rig control for WSJT-X split is not reliable for me.    I build from
> tip of tree from the repo with either hamlib-3.1 or hamlib git, so it is
> certainly possible I am seeing a regression that is not in older, stable
> releases.   (I looked at the code that handles split mode to try to fix it
> ... shivers.)

I built WSJT-X 1.7 six months ago from the distribution tarball on this
Devuan Jessie box and WSJT-X has been rock solid reliable in split mode
and my K3 with DATA A mode.  Just worked a few more stations this
evening on 15 and 17m.

73, Nate, N0NB

-- 

"The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all
possible worlds.  The pessimist fears this is true."

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From dave at nk7z.net  Tue Jul  4 22:49:40 2017
From: dave at nk7z.net (Dave Cole)
Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2017 19:49:40 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] (OT) It finally died...
In-Reply-To: <8f761855-eeb4-c686-8d38-879660fef3b4@audiosystemsgroup.com>
References: <c318524c-e45d-743a-3cbc-7cd3be19e7b2@kanafi.org>
	<8f761855-eeb4-c686-8d38-879660fef3b4@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Message-ID: <4ca56ef0-3427-f4c3-c1a9-947a70667b03@nk7z.net>

Hi Phil,

I must second what Jim has to say about a general coverage rig and SDR. 
I too use the RSP-1, and once it is in a metal case it is a really nice 
rig.

The versatility is amazing.  I am now using them for RFI detection, and 
SWLing.

I also characterize my entire RFI background using the RSP-1 to create a 
spectrogram of entire bands at a time.  it spots every single RFI source 
in the area at once, and displays the relationships they have to each 
other.

See:
http://nk7z.net/sdr-rfi-survey-p1/
for an example of this.

My next project is to get the RSP-1 going on a Raspberry Pi.


73s and thanks,
Dave
NK7Z
http://www.nk7z.net

On 07/04/2017 06:26 PM, Jim Brown wrote:
> HI Phil,
>
> I suggest that you take a look at various SDR RX options and the
> half-dozen or so software programs written to control them. I have an
> SDR-Play RSP 1, about $130 from HRO, and a FunCube Dongle ProPlus, about
> $175 from the UK.  These are both VERY versatile products, and have
> surprisingly good performance. There's a brief outline of their
> performance for chasing RFI in k9yc.com/KillingRXNoiseVisalia.pdf that
> is focused on their usefulness as spectrum displays to identify types of
> RFI, and to chase RFI. But they are good for FAR more than that.  Here's
> a better summary of what's available.
>
> http://www.rtl-sdr.com/roundup-software-defined-radios/
>
> http://www.rtl-sdr.com/big-list-rtl-sdr-supported-software/
>
> ND0B, who has a serious VHF/UHF station and is one grid away from
> completing the FFMA award for working all 6M grids in the continental US
> (see his qrz.com page), says that he would not have worked our
> expedition to the very rare CM79 grid without an RTL dongle and Simon
> Brown's SDR Console software!  He says it outperforms his Flex 6700 for
> sensitivity and noise.  Simon, G4ELI, is a fine programmer, and was the
> author of the original Ham Radio Deluxe software, and a digital mode
> TX/RX program to go with it.  He sold that software several years ago
> because support was pulling too much time away from programming.
>
> http://www.nn4f.com/SDR-Console-SDRPlay-RSP_QuickGuideTips.pdf
>
> http://sdr-radio.com/
>
> I've been busy with other projects, so haven't gone beyond loading
> software and verifying that everything works. I'd be willing to bet that
> there's free software to do damn near anything with these radios!
> There's software to trace aircraft beacons, decode broadcast TV in
> various formats, SWL, and ham operation.  To use them as a SWL RX,
> simply plug the SDR into a USB port and listen on computer speaker,
> headphones, or a stereo rig connected to an audio output of the computer.
>
> 73, Jim K9YC

From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Tue Jul  4 23:00:41 2017
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2017 22:00:41 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Shift Setting for WSJTX
In-Reply-To: <d87a1266-3a7c-2303-5f94-6b27fd0d9bee@audiosystemsgroup.com>
References: <CABBJzNjCBg03WuihJi+WHPiOpSrGJ6XNhg8WjYVfD6=bqgK93w@mail.gmail.com>
	<6a0b7366-95a7-acf6-0ffc-20c14195175d@blomand.net>
	<7ed02ac0-8876-cab9-6808-815776315c67@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<36b11f13-aa19-d406-a7ff-ef5e1197ef8e@lamont.me.uk>
	<74d58564-66ed-9700-89a6-d5bf371fb3c5@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<22c353b6-e027-d284-cf41-b3adc9f4fc51@lamont.me.uk>
	<d87a1266-3a7c-2303-5f94-6b27fd0d9bee@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Message-ID: <32d76b37-5541-f3d9-0986-f1243bf17916@blomand.net>

I fully agree with Jim, K9YC on the point of distortion.   In fact there 
are two signal paths in which distortion will affect ones results.   
Certainly audio distortion on the TX side will affect the quality of 
ones transmitted signal and distortion on the receive will affect ones 
decode quality.

In my Windows 10 environment I find the Speaker level {USB Audio CODEC} 
best at about 50% or - 10 dB.   Also in this pane, be sure to disable 
all enhancements.   This allows the  PWR fader for WSJT-X to operate 
about 50%  or mid range of its travel.  The Line gain on the K3S runs 
about 25 for 4 bars solid on the ALC and the 5th bar flickering in Data 
A mode.    Adjust actual RF power output via the PWR control on the radio.

On the receive end of WSJT-X, I find the Recording device level to be 
optimized for the USB CODEC at 0 dB with the K3S line out level at the 
normal / default of 010.    Excessive USB CODAC gain at this point can 
over drive the audio stage causing distortion and one will sacrifice 
decode quality.   The WSJT-X digital gain runs about the 3rd to 4th bar 
from the bottom and the level indicator nominally at about 25 dB to 35 
dB depending on band noise and signals.

Should you find any of your controls at an extreme position, I would be 
concerned that something is not correct up or down stream in the audo paths.

73

Bob, K4TAX



On 7/4/2017 7:33 PM, Jim Brown wrote:
> On 7/4/2017 3:43 PM, Richard Lamont wrote:
>> That's receive levels. I was talking about Tx distortion.
>
> The distortion I measured was for TX mode -- sound interface to radio.
>
> Richard -- I'm a Fellow of the Audio Engineering Society, BSEE, 
> retired, worked in both audio and broadcasting. I'm VERY aware of 
> distortion products and the mechanisms that produce them. I also 
> TAUGHT this stuff. Your concerns are overblown.
>
> FWIW, I am FAR more concerned with distortions produced in ham gear at 
> RF.
>
> 73, Jim K9YC
>
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From jboehner01 at yahoo.com  Wed Jul  5 00:22:08 2017
From: jboehner01 at yahoo.com (James F. Boehner MD)
Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2017 00:22:08 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Norton and P3 Utility
Message-ID: <000001d2f546$44aa4110$cdfec330$@yahoo.com>

The answer is yes.  Norton does flag that file as a threat, and once you download it and attempt to install the .exe file, your computer will say that it cannot be found, and you will see Norton giving you a notice in the lower right of your screen, saying that it is analyzing the file.  It then turns from yellow to red, with a big "X" saying that the file was deleted and the threat is resolved.

This is where we all blurt out a colorful metaphor. 

It is at this point that trust is involved, that is, that Elecraft would not put a malware file on their server.  I think we can all feel safe here!

In the box in the lower right of your screen that I mentioned above, there is a link that says "details".  Click on this.

In the next box, the details of the threat are listed, and there are links at the bottom of the box.  Click on "Restore" or "Restore File".

You are then asked if you are sure that you wish to restore the threat, and that you want Norton to ignore that file in the future.  Click on "yes".

The file will be restored, then double click on it and install the P3 utility.  Norton will then leave it alone.

Norton has become a bit more aggressive over the last several years.  I really cannot say that is a bad thing.  I'd rather deal with the hassle above than deal with a virus that trashes my computer and files.  YMMV.

I'm not certain if there is anything that a developer can do to prevent Norton or other anti-virus programs from attacking their files, whether it is a digital signature, or something else.  None of Elecraft's other utilities are considered a threat by Norton in my experience.


?73 de JIM N2ZZ


-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of GRANT YOUNGMAN
Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2017 8:38 AM
To: K5MWR
Cc: Elecraft
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Norton and P3 Utility

I have seen numerous reports of this particular Norton heuristic showing up in what smells like false positives in many cases, although you can?t just discount the possibility I suppose.  Neither Kaspersky nor BitDefender have ever found anything awry with P3Utility on systems I use.

You can send the exe file to Norton, supposedly for ?further analysis? at https://submit.symantec.com/false_positive/ <https://submit.symantec.com/false_positive/>.  Whether or not they actually do anything with it is anyone?s guess, but I?ll take them at their word that they might at least put P3Utility in ?exonerated? status if they find nothing wrong with it.  I got tired years ago of Norton spending most of it?s time just getting in the way, that I dumped it.  YMMV ? 


Grant NQ5T
K3 #2091, KX3 #8342


On Jul 4, 2017, at 8:17 AM, K5MWR via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
> 
> Don't know if anyone else has experienced this but this morning I get this message from Norton that the P3utility program is a threat named "Heur.AdvML.C" and that P3Utility.exe has been removed.
> 
> Don't know if the recent major upgrade of Windows had any effect or most likely it is due to the low number of P3Utility users that also have Norton installed as they show less than 100 users.
> 
> Expect this is just another of those cases where Norton is flagging because of few users so just going to reload.
> 
> Pasted below is the Norton explanation.  No need to flame Norton, I understand its peculiarities just posted for information only.
> 
> 73 Dave K5MWR
> 
> 
> Filename: p3utility.exe
> Threat name: Heur.AdvML.CFull Path: c:\program files (x86)\elecraft\p3 
> utility\p3utility.exe
> 

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From jboehner01 at yahoo.com  Wed Jul  5 00:22:15 2017
From: jboehner01 at yahoo.com (James F. Boehner MD)
Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2017 00:22:15 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Norton and P3 Utility
In-Reply-To: <67E182CA-64E1-463B-897C-53675171763B@gmail.com>
References: <f79dab14-edbb-e7b6-9954-213e3704ab8b@yahoo.com>
	<67E182CA-64E1-463B-897C-53675171763B@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000101d2f546$488c8450$d9a58cf0$@yahoo.com>



?73 de JIM N2ZZ
Director ? Roanoke Division
Serving ARRL members in the Virginia, West Virginia, South Carolina and North Carolina sections
ARRL ? The National Association for Amateur Radio?


-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of GRANT YOUNGMAN
Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2017 8:38 AM
To: K5MWR
Cc: Elecraft
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Norton and P3 Utility

I have seen numerous reports of this particular Norton heuristic showing up in what smells like false positives in many cases, although you can?t just discount the possibility I suppose.  Neither Kaspersky nor BitDefender have ever found anything awry with P3Utility on systems I use.

You can send the exe file to Norton, supposedly for ?further analysis? at https://submit.symantec.com/false_positive/ <https://submit.symantec.com/false_positive/>.  Whether or not they actually do anything with it is anyone?s guess, but I?ll take them at their word that they might at least put P3Utility in ?exonerated? status if they find nothing wrong with it.  I got tired years ago of Norton spending most of it?s time just getting in the way, that I dumped it.  YMMV ? 


Grant NQ5T
K3 #2091, KX3 #8342


On Jul 4, 2017, at 8:17 AM, K5MWR via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
> 
> Don't know if anyone else has experienced this but this morning I get this message from Norton that the P3utility program is a threat named "Heur.AdvML.C" and that P3Utility.exe has been removed.
> 
> Don't know if the recent major upgrade of Windows had any effect or most likely it is due to the low number of P3Utility users that also have Norton installed as they show less than 100 users.
> 
> Expect this is just another of those cases where Norton is flagging because of few users so just going to reload.
> 
> Pasted below is the Norton explanation.  No need to flame Norton, I understand its peculiarities just posted for information only.
> 
> 73 Dave K5MWR
> 
> 
> Filename: p3utility.exe
> Threat name: Heur.AdvML.CFull Path: c:\program files (x86)\elecraft\p3 
> utility\p3utility.exe
> 

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From richard at lamont.me.uk  Wed Jul  5 03:23:53 2017
From: richard at lamont.me.uk (Richard Lamont)
Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2017 08:23:53 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Shift Setting for WSJTX
In-Reply-To: <79572e99-39a9-7f15-b2d1-d9c324da8127@lamont.me.uk>
References: <79572e99-39a9-7f15-b2d1-d9c324da8127@lamont.me.uk>
Message-ID: <35733188-d4e6-883d-2e19-074796d72adc@lamont.me.uk>

On 05/07/17 01:33, Jim Brown wrote:

> Richard -- I'm a Fellow of the Audio Engineering Society, BSEE, retired,
> worked in both audio and broadcasting. I'm VERY aware of distortion
> products and the mechanisms that produce them. I also TAUGHT this stuff.
> Your concerns are overblown.

Thank you for your rigorous, quantified mathematical proof.

Clearly the JT65 transmitted harmonics I've seen, as received on my K3S,
which blotted out the weak JT9 station I was trying to work at around
-27, must have been a figment of my imagination.

73,
Richard G4DYA

From gm3sek at ifwtech.co.uk  Wed Jul  5 08:53:28 2017
From: gm3sek at ifwtech.co.uk (Ian White)
Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2017 13:53:28 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] Keying CW in SSB Mode
In-Reply-To: <15d106f9950-58bf-14411@webprd-a08.mail.aol.com>
References: <532F5ABC-CF78-4E08-BA82-0D5A3599925B@law.du.edu>
	<15d106f9950-58bf-14411@webprd-a08.mail.aol.com>
Message-ID: <015801d2f58d$b814a400$283dec00$@co.uk>

> It is very common on VHF to switch to CW to call a guy who is transmitting
>on SSB, most often after calling him on SSB doesn't get through. CW in SSB
>makes it unnecessary to switch modes to do so.
>
>73  -  Jim   K8MR

But Elecraft's implementation of CW-in-SSB contains a bug that makes it almost unusable for the intended purpose. 

If signals are too weak for SSB, then it is almost always necessary to use *slow* CW - probably much slower than the regular CW settings, resulting in frequent and unwanted relay dropouts. 

The normal, obvious 'fix' for these dropouts is to engage PTT for the duration of the transmission, and this works fine in regular CW mode. But when using CW-in-SSB it inexplicably does the exact opposite: engaging PTT *disallows* all CW output!

This bug has been reported a number of times and is still waiting to be fixed.

73 from Ian GM3SEK



From greg7412 at gmail.com  Tue Jul  4 12:16:02 2017
From: greg7412 at gmail.com (Greg Leber)
Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2017 11:16:02 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Wanted to buy P3
Message-ID: <CAHatCJFwTe_N2SUrfpE7S4wQzxO+D0bJP_vuni8_zU6=gJN8Tw@mail.gmail.com>

?Does any one have a P3 they want to sell?
Please contact me (K9ON) at greg7412 at gmail.com
Thank you.?

From n6kr at elecraft.com  Wed Jul  5 11:12:58 2017
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2017 08:12:58 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Keying CW in SSB Mode
In-Reply-To: <015801d2f58d$b814a400$283dec00$@co.uk>
References: <532F5ABC-CF78-4E08-BA82-0D5A3599925B@law.du.edu>
	<15d106f9950-58bf-14411@webprd-a08.mail.aol.com>
	<015801d2f58d$b814a400$283dec00$@co.uk>
Message-ID: <9D130134-B2C7-4AC1-8909-52D829526E36@elecraft.com>

This would be a fairly complex change to the normal T/R sequencer. Sorry we haven?t gotten to it yet.

Meanwhile, there?s a simple workaround that works well:

1. In CONFIG:CW WGHT, tap ?5? to select ?VFO OFS? mode, then exit the menu. With VFO OFS in effect, changing from SSB to CW mode will shift the VFO frequency by an amount equal to your CW sidetone pitch, automatically positioning it so that hitting the key will result in the other station hearing a tone.

2. During operation, if you need to use CW, just change modes. You can then use PTT. If you change back to SSB, the VFO offset will be removed.

Wayne
N6KR



> On Jul 5, 2017, at 5:53 AM, Ian White <gm3sek at ifwtech.co.uk> wrote:
> 
>> It is very common on VHF to switch to CW to call a guy who is transmitting
>> on SSB, most often after calling him on SSB doesn't get through. CW in SSB
>> makes it unnecessary to switch modes to do so.
>> 
>> 73  -  Jim   K8MR
> 
> But Elecraft's implementation of CW-in-SSB contains a bug that makes it almost unusable for the intended purpose. 
> 
> If signals are too weak for SSB, then it is almost always necessary to use *slow* CW - probably much slower than the regular CW settings, resulting in frequent and unwanted relay dropouts. 
> 
> The normal, obvious 'fix' for these dropouts is to engage PTT for the duration of the transmission, and this works fine in regular CW mode. But when using CW-in-SSB it inexplicably does the exact opposite: engaging PTT *disallows* all CW output!
> 
> This bug has been reported a number of times and is still waiting to be fixed.
> 
> 73 from Ian GM3SEK
> 



From wa2eio at optonline.net  Wed Jul  5 12:52:26 2017
From: wa2eio at optonline.net (Ron Manfredi)
Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2017 12:52:26 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KX-3 for Sale
Message-ID: <5fab602a-76d5-be41-18b0-aab708ac0db4@optonline.net>

This was not used for field day!   Actually, it has gotten very little 
use; I haven't had the time do to portable operation, so I will continue 
to use my K3s at home, but make this rig available to someone who can 
make better use of it.  Photos available on request.

  It has the 15 watt firmware installed, comes with the MH-3 hand mic, 
and all manuals, and some interconnecting cables.I am the second owner, 
and have had it for about a year.It was ordered as a factory-built unit 
in 2013, and it looks like new and works as it should. (The serial 
number is 04834.) It has the following options, all factory installed:

KXFL3Dual Passband Roofing Filter.

KXAT3Automatic antenna tuner.

KX3 2M AT2 Meter All-Mode module.

KXBC3Clock/battery charger, with low discharge-rate batteries installed.

KX End Panels and Lexan cover.

Palm Pico Paddle with mounting bracket.  (It connects to the rig the 
same way the Elecraft paddle does.)

2 Meter flex antenna.

Pro Audio Engineering low RFI AC adapter/charger. (14.4 vdc at 4 amps)

Generic AC adapter/charger that is almost as clean as the Pro Audio 
unit, with the same voltage and power output specs as the Pro Audio.

End-fed un/un longwire antenna with coax feedline.

Orange soft case by "Rose"with the original owner's callsign embroidered 
under the "Elecraft" name.

Asking $1700 plus shipping from NY, or pick it up in the NYC/LI area.


I also have a Chameleon CHA-P (version 1) loop antenna available!


RonWA2EIO


From kevinr at coho.net  Sun Jul  2 02:05:26 2017
From: kevinr at coho.net (kevinr at coho.net)
Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2017 23:05:26 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Announcement
Message-ID: <7f881c97-a582-82c8-90f5-29cc0d0eb333@coho.net>

Good Evening,

    Field Day was unseasonably hot, at least for this region. 
Temperatures got to 100 even at my elevation.  But it has cooled.  The 
foxgloves in front of the house weren't blooming last Sunday.  Now they 
are 3/4 filled.  Normally they take another month to progress that far.  
Maybe this cool weather will slow them down again.

Propagation was good enough to get me contacts on 15, 20, 40, 80, and 
160 meters.  I tried on 6 meters early on when there was an opening and 
10 meters when that failed.  Even though both bands had no signs of life 
I had to try, you never can tell who is listening.

Please join us tomorrow on:

    14050 kHz at 2200z Sunday (3 PM PDT Sunday)
     7045 kHz at 0000z Monday (5 PM PDT Sunday)

     73,
         Kevin. KD5ONS

-


From mooo1941 at yahoo.com  Wed Jul  5 13:34:30 2017
From: mooo1941 at yahoo.com (David Guernsey)
Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2017 17:34:30 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] Inbox Message from Dropbox
References: <806073845.5025041.1499276070380.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <806073845.5025041.1499276070380@mail.yahoo.com>


| 
| 
David Guernsey?sent you??a document
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| Please open the document here
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From w6jhb at me.com  Wed Jul  5 16:19:36 2017
From: w6jhb at me.com (James Bennett)
Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2017 13:19:36 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Raspberry Pi, K2 and WSJT-X questions
In-Reply-To: <94330af4-a640-fa70-b683-7ae5915c8db2@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com>
References: <66286B91A5B3462592222D99E5E89A0F@Mainpc2>
	<94330af4-a640-fa70-b683-7ae5915c8db2@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com>
Message-ID: <11B6033A-3070-4097-A442-363FAB08B26F@me.com>

Hi Jim,

I can?t give any suggestions / answers regarding the K2 part of the question, but?. I run a KX3 connected to my Raspberry Pi 3 and operate WSJT-X JT65, JT9, and MSK144. Also use FLDIGI, but very, very seldom. I use a Tascam external USB sound card: the US125M model. With WXJT-X up and running, if I select the Preferences->Audio tab, here is what I have:

Input:    sysdefault: CARD=CODEC   Left
Output: sysdefault: CARD=CODEC   Mono

And yes, there a bunch of devices listed in that drop-down, but the above works just fine for me.

I?m running Raspian Jessie for the OS, and my WSJT-X is a development version: 1.7.1 r7557

Hope that helps on the audio side.

73, Jim / W6JHB

Jim Bennett
Folsom, CA






> On Jul 4, 2017, at 12:58 PM, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT <KX3.1 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> wrote:
> 
> Replies on-list, please.  I'm also interested in the answer, and I'm sure there are others.
> 
> On 7/3/2017 1:37 PM, Elmore's wrote:
>> Has anyone figured out how to control a K2 from RPi running WSJT-X (or FLDIGI,etc.)?
>> Also, has anyone been able to run a digital program using a USB soundcard? I have a Star Tech 7.1 connected to my RPi. At the moment I am trying to get it to work with WSJT-X.
>> I am running Debian Jessie.
>> The sound card is recognized by the OS. When I run WSJT-X and select the Audio tab and select the Input drop down, there is a list of 22 sound cards none of which is the USB card. A similar issue exists on the Output selection. I don?t understand what I am seeing. How do I get to see the USB card in WSJT-X?
>> Note that I have made forum postings on WSPRnet and RPi ham Yahoo groups without yet getting a solution.
>> I hope someone can help with this very frustrating situation. Also note that this is my first experience with a RPi and my Linux knowledge is limited.
>> 73,
>> Jim WA4YWM
>> ---
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From joberreu-elecraft at moselle.com  Wed Jul  5 23:24:29 2017
From: joberreu-elecraft at moselle.com (Jessie Oberreuter)
Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2017 03:24:29 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] Keying CW in SSB Mode
In-Reply-To: <015801d2f58d$b814a400$283dec00$@co.uk>
References: <532F5ABC-CF78-4E08-BA82-0D5A3599925B@law.du.edu>
	<15d106f9950-58bf-14411@webprd-a08.mail.aol.com>
	<015801d2f58d$b814a400$283dec00$@co.uk>
Message-ID: <alpine.BSF.2.20.1707060300410.3472@tara>


      This is mostly a problem if you have external transverters, amps, 
pre-amps, etc. that don't take kindly to QSK operation.

      My solution to this problem is to use the PTT (a foot-switch in my 
case) to key the transverters, but not the rig.  I'm using a stack of 
Elecraft's external transverters connected to the low-level XV interface. 
If I key the rig without first keying the transverters, nothing happens; 
the low level drivers aren't phased by being unterminated.  When I press 
the foot switch, the selected transverter goes through its regular 
sequencing, but doesn't key the K3, so CW-in-SSB still works.

      I personally leave the K3 in vox mode, but the situation is the same 
with, say, a hand-mike.  Push the foot switch to sequence the 
transverters, amps, pre-amps, etc., then PTT on the mike or just have at 
it with the keys/paddles.

      In terms of wiring, I simply disconnected the transverter stack's 
key-in and key-out lines from the K3, and wired a foot switch to the 
stack's key-in line.

-kb7psg


On Wed, 5 Jul 2017, Ian White wrote:

>> It is very common on VHF to switch to CW to call a guy who is transmitting
>> on SSB, most often after calling him on SSB doesn't get through. CW in SSB
>> makes it unnecessary to switch modes to do so.
>>
>> 73  -  Jim   K8MR
>
> But Elecraft's implementation of CW-in-SSB contains a bug that makes it almost unusable for the intended purpose.
>
> If signals are too weak for SSB, then it is almost always necessary to use *slow* CW - probably much slower than the regular CW settings, resulting in frequent and unwanted relay dropouts.
>
> The normal, obvious 'fix' for these dropouts is to engage PTT for the duration of the transmission, and this works fine in regular CW mode. But when using CW-in-SSB it inexplicably does the exact opposite: engaging PTT *disallows* all CW output!
>
> This bug has been reported a number of times and is still waiting to be fixed.
>
> 73 from Ian GM3SEK
>
>
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From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Wed Jul  5 16:52:25 2017
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2017 16:52:25 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Raspberry Pi, K2 and WSJT-X questions
In-Reply-To: <11B6033A-3070-4097-A442-363FAB08B26F@me.com>
References: <66286B91A5B3462592222D99E5E89A0F@Mainpc2>
	<94330af4-a640-fa70-b683-7ae5915c8db2@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com>
	<11B6033A-3070-4097-A442-363FAB08B26F@me.com>
Message-ID: <351aa312-406d-a357-3825-4efc40a78751@embarqmail.com>

I cannot help with the Raspberry Pi nor the soundcard, but once you get 
that straightened out, I can tell you how to set the transmit soundcard 
audio level for the K2.

We have heard a lot about the K3/K3S, KX3 and KX2 requiring 4 bars with 
the 5th flickering on Transmit audio - this is the No ALC point for 
those radios.

The K2 is the same, but the ALC display in the LED Bargraph of the K2 is 
different.  Any ALC bars indicate ALC action.  So the answer is to 
advance the audio until you see an ALC indication, and then back off a 
bit until it disappears.

Once the audio level is set, the advice for all the Elecraft gear is the 
same, leave the audio level alone and adjust the power output with the 
POWER knob.

You may want to check on Jim Brown's K9YC advice for properly bonding 
computer, soundcard and transceiver.  If not, you may need to use an 
interface box to eliminate hum, buzz, and noise (but Jim's advice is 
better if you implement the whole solution.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 7/5/2017 4:19 PM, James Bennett wrote:
> Hi Jim,
> 
> I can?t give any suggestions / answers regarding the K2 part of the question, but?. I run a KX3 connected to my Raspberry Pi 3 and operate WSJT-X JT65, JT9, and MSK144. Also use FLDIGI, but very, very seldom. I use a Tascam external USB sound card: the US125M model. With WXJT-X up and running, if I select the Preferences->Audio tab, here is what I have:
> 
> Input:    sysdefault: CARD=CODEC   Left
> Output: sysdefault: CARD=CODEC   Mono
> 
> And yes, there a bunch of devices listed in that drop-down, but the above works just fine for me.
> 
> I?m running Raspian Jessie for the OS, and my WSJT-X is a development version: 1.7.1 r7557
> 
> Hope that helps on the audio side.
> 
> 73, Jim / W6JHB
> 
> Jim Bennett
> Folsom, CA
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jul 4, 2017, at 12:58 PM, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT <KX3.1 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> wrote:
>>
>> Replies on-list, please.  I'm also interested in the answer, and I'm sure there are others.
>>
>> On 7/3/2017 1:37 PM, Elmore's wrote:
>>> Has anyone figured out how to control a K2 from RPi running WSJT-X (or FLDIGI,etc.)?
>>> Also, has anyone been able to run a digital program using a USB soundcard? I have a Star Tech 7.1 connected to my RPi. At the moment I am trying to get it to work with WSJT-X.
>>> I am running Debian Jessie.
>>> The sound card is recognized by the OS. When I run WSJT-X and select the Audio tab and select the Input drop down, there is a list of 22 sound cards none of which is the USB card. A similar issue exists on the Output selection. I don?t understand what I am seeing. How do I get to see the USB card in WSJT-X?
>>> Note that I have made forum postings on WSPRnet and RPi ham Yahoo groups without yet getting a solution.
>>> I hope someone can help with this very frustrating situation. Also note that this is my first experience with a RPi and my Linux knowledge is limited.
>>> 73,
>>> Jim WA4YWM
>>> ---
>>> This email has been checked for viruses by AVG.
>>> http://www.avg.com
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From ctate at ewnetinc.com  Wed Jul  5 20:40:05 2017
From: ctate at ewnetinc.com (Chris Tate - N6WM)
Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2017 00:40:05 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] N6WM/KH6
In-Reply-To: <AAB4FA19-42A0-4072-B3AD-9F8F0BC66314@ewnetinc.com>
References: <AAB4FA19-42A0-4072-B3AD-9F8F0BC66314@ewnetinc.com>
Message-ID: <7B9CF68D-1A65-4DCC-AA11-7AA5CC2F2C94@ewnetinc.com>


> 
> Qrv 14.013 testing a loaner half wave wire from a friend of elan WH6R..  it's crazy I'm working all over the us with this wire, a kx2 at 7w

This is a super fun rig!!!
> 
> Thanks
> ~C.
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From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Wed Jul  5 20:54:34 2017
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2017 17:54:34 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Shift Setting for WSJTX
In-Reply-To: <35733188-d4e6-883d-2e19-074796d72adc@lamont.me.uk>
References: <79572e99-39a9-7f15-b2d1-d9c324da8127@lamont.me.uk>
	<35733188-d4e6-883d-2e19-074796d72adc@lamont.me.uk>
Message-ID: <023f3cda-8f4d-d871-eb37-6e163e8dad6b@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On 7/5/2017 12:23 AM, Richard Lamont wrote:
> Thank you for your rigorous, quantified mathematical proof.

Good engineering is not about math proofs, it's about big picture 
analysis of entire systems, understanding the limitations of each 
element, and concentrating on those elements that optimize the entire 
system.
>
> Clearly the JT65 transmitted harmonics I've seen, as received on my K3S,
> which blotted out the weak JT9 station I was trying to work at around
> -27, must have been a figment of my imagination.

I'm not suggesting that wasn't real, but simply that harmonic distortion 
at AF is not the only cause of the problem. And questioning that 
shifting the TX signal to a frequency where the harmonic is out of the 
audio passband is the only solution.

Using a better audio interface and setting levels correctly can easily 
get individual AF distortion products 60 dB below the the level of sine 
wave modulation. In an earlier post, I noted that interfaces sold to 
semi-pro audio users generally offer THD in the range of 0.5 - 0.1% and 
that number is the root-sum-square combination of the individual 
components.  In that earlier post, I included a link that suggested 
specific make/models suitable for this use, all below $100 US, and four 
easy ways for users to set levels, depending on the available tools 
(including ears).

You also seem to have missed my objection that WSJT-X forces the radio 
into split mode, when I want to use the second RX (controlled by the 2nd 
VFO) to SIMULTANEOUSLY monitor CW while I'm in RX mode with WSJT-X, AND 
to quickly do and A/B exchange of VFOs to work a station I hear on CW, 
then return to WSJT-X.  I did that almost continuously during the big 
opening we experienced here last Friday, and one of those times got me a 
new grid (in a new state) 2,500 miles away.

There's another powerful way to prevent overload of your RX by your 
neighbor -- out here in W6, neighbors try to TX on the same cycle as our 
neighbors. No math proofs required.

73, Jim K9YC


From w8fgqrp2 at gmail.com  Wed Jul  5 20:58:04 2017
From: w8fgqrp2 at gmail.com (Seth Lavinder)
Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2017 20:58:04 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] FS:  The Newest KX2 / KX3 Accessory
Message-ID: <910BF955-F11B-46D5-9838-78375C15F393@gmail.com>


I have for sale a totally new unused AlexMic , an amplified speaker mic for the Elecraft KX2 and KX3

I will ship it to you (USA Address) for $120

PayPal Preferred 
Please respond direct off list to sethlavinder at gmail.com

Thank You
73 de Seth - W8FG 

Sent from my iPad


From wes_n7ws at triconet.org  Thu Jul  6 00:13:35 2017
From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes Stewart)
Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2017 21:13:35 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Shift Setting for WSJTX
In-Reply-To: <023f3cda-8f4d-d871-eb37-6e163e8dad6b@audiosystemsgroup.com>
References: <79572e99-39a9-7f15-b2d1-d9c324da8127@lamont.me.uk>
	<35733188-d4e6-883d-2e19-074796d72adc@lamont.me.uk>
	<023f3cda-8f4d-d871-eb37-6e163e8dad6b@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Message-ID: <db5e7b13-c316-1ca1-a77d-6ff3f9f33b19@triconet.org>

SOP on MS and EME over 30 years ago.

On 7/5/2017 5:54 PM, Jim Brown wrote:
> ...
> There's another powerful way to prevent overload of your RX by your neighbor 
> -- out here in W6, neighbors try to TX on the same cycle as our neighbors.
>
> 73, Jim K9YC


From w8fgqrp2 at gmail.com  Thu Jul  6 07:31:20 2017
From: w8fgqrp2 at gmail.com (Seth Lavinder)
Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2017 07:31:20 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] FS:  The Newest KX2 / KX3 Accessory
Message-ID: <7FA9DB20-7AF8-470B-BA37-703FBFA8BF07@gmail.com>

Just in case no one knows what I am talking about, here is specification page

http://www.alexloop.com/artigo38.html


I have for sale a totally new unused AlexMic , an amplified speaker mic for the Elecraft KX2 and KX3

I will ship it to you (USA Address) for $120

PayPal Preferred 
Please respond direct off list to sethlavinder at gmail.com

Thank You
73 de Seth - W8FG 

Sent from my iPad


From etksubs at gmail.com  Thu Jul  6 09:23:28 2017
From: etksubs at gmail.com (Erik Tkal)
Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2017 09:23:28 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KX2/KX3 menu pauses when passing ATU.DATA with KXPA100
	attached
In-Reply-To: <3AC51A7D-F857-4AF8-9BEA-61DD89BC0A4F@gmail.com>
References: <20380A5C-6C19-47AC-9646-7A0368EF4509@elecraft.com>
	<371182DC-D530-4E39-8675-7FA2D5C3FDCA@gmail.com>
	<3AC51A7D-F857-4AF8-9BEA-61DD89BC0A4F@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E47CBD43-0E3D-4178-B944-D515D17443A0@gmail.com>

Any confirmation on this issue?

  Thanks and 73,
  Erik Tkal  -  W1QED



On Jun 18, 2017, at 13:00, E T <etksubs at gmail.com> wrote:

BTW, the KX2 with 2.77 behaves exactly the same way when scrolling past the N/A with the KXPA100 enabled.

  Thanks and 73,
  Erik Tkal  -  W1QED

On Jun 18, 2017, at 10:34 AM, E T <etksubs at gmail.com <mailto:etksubs at gmail.com>> wrote:

Hi Wayne,

There is one major quirk with the new ATU.DATA menu item on the KX3.  When using the KXPA100 the menu item shows up with the label N/A and value "--".  And then when you scroll up or down to the next menu item it takes up to a second to show the correct label.  Even when you are scrolling fast through the items and go past that one the N/A appears and persists as you scroll.  All the other transitions are immediate except this one.  Shouldn't the label still show as ATU.DATA and have the value show "--" or "N/A"?  E.g. like 2M/4M shows as "not inSt".

I'm going to update my KX2 to the beta that also has this and see if it also shows the same quirk.

  Thanks and 73,
  Erik Tkal  -  W1QED


On Apr 27, 2017, at 11:38 PM, Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com <mailto:n6kr at elecraft.com>> wrote:

Hi all,

Rev. 2.70 KX3 firmware unintentionally reduced the max AF gain setting for both speaker and headphones. (We improved the granularity of the AF GAIN control at the low end but didn?t get around to scaling the high end back up to the original level.)

If you were affected by this and would like to try the field test release (rev. 2.76), please email me directly. 

This rev also includes the new ?ATU DATA? menu entry, which gives you two full sets of per-band ATU data for use when running the KX3 ?barefoot? (without the KXPA100/KXAT100). Typically one set would be used at home, the other in the field. If you do a lot of outings, this can save you the trouble of re-matching all of your antennas when you get home. Another use for this is with two different antennas for a given band.

73,
Wayne
N6KR


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From n7rjn at nobis.net  Thu Jul  6 09:38:23 2017
From: n7rjn at nobis.net (Robert Nobis)
Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2017 06:38:23 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Navigator Sound Card for Elecraft K3 - For Sale
Message-ID: <12CC6E84-0E9E-4019-A664-B31DE6515DB0@nobis.net>

I no longer need my Navigator Sound Card as I have upgraded my K3 with the internal sound card and USB Interface.

Timewave Navigator with Master Control Cable for Elecraft K3. Serial number 63687. Includes Navigator, K3 Cable, Manual, and CD with Software.

Priced at $295.00, includes shipment via USPS Priority Mail to US Lower 48 states only. Payment by PayPal only.  

Send offers by email to N7RJN at NOBIS.NET


73,

Bob 




From g3tct at g3tct.co.uk  Thu Jul  6 10:13:30 2017
From: g3tct at g3tct.co.uk (Graham Kimbell)
Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2017 15:13:30 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 with 2m tvtr - power control feature request
Message-ID: <595E458A.5090409@g3tct.co.uk>

I have a K3 (old style) with internal 2m transverter that I want to use 
to drive a  microwave transverter.  There are a few issues with the 
output power -

    * the max output is supposed to be 10W, but measures 7W even after
      calibration - seems wrong but I can cope with this
    * the minimum power is 5W but should be down 10dB on the max, ie
      0.7W.  This is a problem because I need about 1W to drive the
      microwave tvtr.
    * the XV config that allows setting the 28MHz input to the tvtr has
      been checked and is exactly the 1mW (0dBm) default.  With the
      power control set to minimum it measured -7dBm.

So it appears that the internal 2m xvtr has too much gain, and there 
does not appear to be any way to reduce the power output below 5W.  Is 
there any chance of making this possible?

I have a friend with a K3S with the same difficulty, so it seems to be a 
common feature.

Graham

From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Thu Jul  6 10:55:20 2017
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2017 10:55:20 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KX2/KX3 menu pauses when passing ATU.DATA with
 KXPA100 attached
In-Reply-To: <E47CBD43-0E3D-4178-B944-D515D17443A0@gmail.com>
References: <20380A5C-6C19-47AC-9646-7A0368EF4509@elecraft.com>
	<371182DC-D530-4E39-8675-7FA2D5C3FDCA@gmail.com>
	<3AC51A7D-F857-4AF8-9BEA-61DD89BC0A4F@gmail.com>
	<E47CBD43-0E3D-4178-B944-D515D17443A0@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f7b517b9-9004-17b0-701c-1282c6448796@embarqmail.com>

Erik,

I cannot confirm or deny, but the 2 sets of ATU.DATA should be "N/A" or 
"--" when the KXPA100 is enabled.

Think about it a bit - the 2 data sets only pertain to the internal ATU 
in the KX2/KX3.  When the KXPA100 is enabled, that internal tuner is 
bypassed because any ATU must be on the output of the KXPA100.

The 2 sets of ATU.DATA is for field and home operation of the base 
KX2/KX3, not for the KXAT100.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 7/6/2017 9:23 AM, Erik Tkal wrote:
> Any confirmation on this issue?
> 
>    Thanks and 73,
>    Erik Tkal  -  W1QED
> 
> 
> 
> On Jun 18, 2017, at 13:00, E T <etksubs at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> BTW, the KX2 with 2.77 behaves exactly the same way when scrolling past the N/A with the KXPA100 enabled.
> 
>    Thanks and 73,
>    Erik Tkal  -  W1QED
> 
> On Jun 18, 2017, at 10:34 AM, E T <etksubs at gmail.com <mailto:etksubs at gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> Hi Wayne,
> 
> There is one major quirk with the new ATU.DATA menu item on the KX3.  When using the KXPA100 the menu item shows up with the label N/A and value "--".  And then when you scroll up or down to the next menu item it takes up to a second to show the correct label.  Even when you are scrolling fast through the items and go past that one the N/A appears and persists as you scroll.  All the other transitions are immediate except this one.  Shouldn't the label still show as ATU.DATA and have the value show "--" or "N/A"?  E.g. like 2M/4M shows as "not inSt".
> 
> I'm going to update my KX2 to the beta that also has this and see if it also shows the same quirk.
> 
>    Thanks and 73,
>    Erik Tkal  -  W1QED
> 
> 
> On Apr 27, 2017, at 11:38 PM, Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com <mailto:n6kr at elecraft.com>> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> Rev. 2.70 KX3 firmware unintentionally reduced the max AF gain setting for both speaker and headphones. (We improved the granularity of the AF GAIN control at the low end but didn?t get around to scaling the high end back up to the original level.)
> 
> If you were affected by this and would like to try the field test release (rev. 2.76), please email me directly.
> 
> This rev also includes the new ?ATU DATA? menu entry, which gives you two full sets of per-band ATU data for use when running the KX3 ?barefoot? (without the KXPA100/KXAT100). Typically one set would be used at home, the other in the field. If you do a lot of outings, this can save you the trouble of re-matching all of your antennas when you get home. Another use for this is with two different antennas for a given band.
> 
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR
> 
> 
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From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Thu Jul  6 10:49:22 2017
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2017 10:49:22 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 with 2m tvtr - power control feature request
In-Reply-To: <595E458A.5090409@g3tct.co.uk>
References: <595E458A.5090409@g3tct.co.uk>
Message-ID: <907f6938-070c-7aa3-862f-5a23aa31419a@embarqmail.com>

Graham,

You say you have measured the input power to the K144XV and it is a max 
of 0dBm and a minimum of -7dBm.  If that is incorrect, then my 
conclusion (following) is wrong.

A difference of 7dB should produce 1/20 of the power developed at 0dBm - 
based on 10 watts output, you should obtain 0.5 watts output with the 
-7dBm input.

So my conclusion is that the K3 is "doing the right thing", but your 
K144XV is not.  Perhaps there is some sort of oscillation in the K144XV 
that is causing your problem.

We obviously don't have all the answers here, so I recommend you contact 
K3support because they have access to the designers and production test 
folks to seek out an answer for you.

Do you have any way of determining the output frequency on 2 meters? 
That may be helpful information for support.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 7/6/2017 10:13 AM, Graham Kimbell wrote:
> 
>     * the max output is supposed to be 10W, but measures 7W even after
>       calibration - seems wrong but I can cope with this
>     * the minimum power is 5W but should be down 10dB on the max, ie
>       0.7W.  This is a problem because I need about 1W to drive the
>       microwave tvtr.
>     * the XV config that allows setting the 28MHz input to the tvtr has
>       been checked and is exactly the 1mW (0dBm) default.  With the
>       power control set to minimum it measured -7dBm.
> 
> So it appears that the internal 2m xvtr has too much gain, and there 
> does not appear to be any way to reduce the power output below 5W.  Is 
> there any chance of making this possible?

From k4to at arrl.net  Thu Jul  6 11:46:34 2017
From: k4to at arrl.net (Dave Sublette)
Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2017 11:46:34 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 with 2m tvtr - power control feature request
In-Reply-To: <907f6938-070c-7aa3-862f-5a23aa31419a@embarqmail.com>
References: <595E458A.5090409@g3tct.co.uk>
	<907f6938-070c-7aa3-862f-5a23aa31419a@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <DE505BD3-2091-4587-B0AA-F33564EC7975@arrl.net>

Graham,

You didn?t say which microwave transverter you are using.  Perhaps the transverter input requirement can be adjusted to accept the 7W vs 5W.  Many of us who drive transverters at reduced levels find that the driving rigs often have full power spikes for just a few milliseconds when keyed, even if the power control has been adjusted down.  I don?t know if the K3 does this or not.  But my point is, you might be better off adjusting the microwave transverter to accept the full 7 W (or 10W) to avoid the power spike problem.

73,

Dave, K4TO
> On Jul 6, 2017, at 10:49 AM, Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Graham,
> 
> You say you have measured the input power to the K144XV and it is a max of 0dBm and a minimum of -7dBm.  If that is incorrect, then my conclusion (following) is wrong.
> 
> A difference of 7dB should produce 1/20 of the power developed at 0dBm - based on 10 watts output, you should obtain 0.5 watts output with the -7dBm input.
> 
> So my conclusion is that the K3 is "doing the right thing", but your K144XV is not.  Perhaps there is some sort of oscillation in the K144XV that is causing your problem.
> 
> We obviously don't have all the answers here, so I recommend you contact K3support because they have access to the designers and production test folks to seek out an answer for you.
> 
> Do you have any way of determining the output frequency on 2 meters? That may be helpful information for support.
> 
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
> 
> On 7/6/2017 10:13 AM, Graham Kimbell wrote:
>>    * the max output is supposed to be 10W, but measures 7W even after
>>      calibration - seems wrong but I can cope with this
>>    * the minimum power is 5W but should be down 10dB on the max, ie
>>      0.7W.  This is a problem because I need about 1W to drive the
>>      microwave tvtr.
>>    * the XV config that allows setting the 28MHz input to the tvtr has
>>      been checked and is exactly the 1mW (0dBm) default.  With the
>>      power control set to minimum it measured -7dBm.
>> So it appears that the internal 2m xvtr has too much gain, and there does not appear to be any way to reduce the power output below 5W.  Is there any chance of making this possible?
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From k4to at arrl.net  Thu Jul  6 11:53:00 2017
From: k4to at arrl.net (Dave Sublette)
Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2017 11:53:00 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 with 2m tvtr - power control feature request
In-Reply-To: <907f6938-070c-7aa3-862f-5a23aa31419a@embarqmail.com>
References: <595E458A.5090409@g3tct.co.uk>
	<907f6938-070c-7aa3-862f-5a23aa31419a@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <675B95B0-20EA-4264-BFAF-3F6320FC8C8E@arrl.net>

One more reason I forgot to mention.  If your power output has to be adjusted every time you switch to the band using the transverter, sooner or later, you will forget.  That might be the end of your transverter.  That is why I always set my stuff up so I don?t have to make any adjustments when bandswitching.  We are all prone to making mistakes. I try to prevent myself from making damage this way whenever possible.

73,

Dave, K4TO
> On Jul 6, 2017, at 10:49 AM, Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Graham,
> 
> You say you have measured the input power to the K144XV and it is a max of 0dBm and a minimum of -7dBm.  If that is incorrect, then my conclusion (following) is wrong.
> 
> A difference of 7dB should produce 1/20 of the power developed at 0dBm - based on 10 watts output, you should obtain 0.5 watts output with the -7dBm input.
> 
> So my conclusion is that the K3 is "doing the right thing", but your K144XV is not.  Perhaps there is some sort of oscillation in the K144XV that is causing your problem.
> 
> We obviously don't have all the answers here, so I recommend you contact K3support because they have access to the designers and production test folks to seek out an answer for you.
> 
> Do you have any way of determining the output frequency on 2 meters? That may be helpful information for support.
> 
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
> 
> On 7/6/2017 10:13 AM, Graham Kimbell wrote:
>>    * the max output is supposed to be 10W, but measures 7W even after
>>      calibration - seems wrong but I can cope with this
>>    * the minimum power is 5W but should be down 10dB on the max, ie
>>      0.7W.  This is a problem because I need about 1W to drive the
>>      microwave tvtr.
>>    * the XV config that allows setting the 28MHz input to the tvtr has
>>      been checked and is exactly the 1mW (0dBm) default.  With the
>>      power control set to minimum it measured -7dBm.
>> So it appears that the internal 2m xvtr has too much gain, and there does not appear to be any way to reduce the power output below 5W.  Is there any chance of making this possible?
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From dd0vs at gmx.de  Thu Jul  6 12:03:24 2017
From: dd0vs at gmx.de (Harald Fritzsche)
Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2017 18:03:24 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 with 2m tvtr - power control feature request
In-Reply-To: <595E458A.5090409@g3tct.co.uk>
References: <595E458A.5090409@g3tct.co.uk>
Message-ID: <7117B6D6-2AE3-44F3-92D4-4244AA20C880@gmx.de>

Hello Graham, dear YLs and OMs,

There is adjustment resistor inside the internal Transverter. Here only you will be able to maintain right power setting. I did this one time for all my transverters. Max power is for me 2,5W. With power (pwr) knob, I can maintain 1 to 2.5 W.

Hope this helps

Vy73 
Harald
DD0VS 

Von meinem iPhone gesendet

> Am 06.07.2017 um 16:13 schrieb Graham Kimbell <g3tct at g3tct.co.uk>:
> 
> I have a K3 (old style) with internal 2m transverter that I want to use to drive a  microwave transverter.  There are a few issues with the output power -
> 
>   * the max output is supposed to be 10W, but measures 7W even after
>     calibration - seems wrong but I can cope with this
>   * the minimum power is 5W but should be down 10dB on the max, ie
>     0.7W.  This is a problem because I need about 1W to drive the
>     microwave tvtr.
>   * the XV config that allows setting the 28MHz input to the tvtr has
>     been checked and is exactly the 1mW (0dBm) default.  With the
>     power control set to minimum it measured -7dBm.
> 
> So it appears that the internal 2m xvtr has too much gain, and there does not appear to be any way to reduce the power output below 5W.  Is there any chance of making this possible?
> 
> I have a friend with a K3S with the same difficulty, so it seems to be a common feature.
> 
> Graham
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From n6kr at elecraft.com  Thu Jul  6 13:09:30 2017
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2017 10:09:30 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KX2/KX3 menu pauses when passing ATU.DATA with
	KXPA100 attached
In-Reply-To: <E47CBD43-0E3D-4178-B944-D515D17443A0@gmail.com>
References: <20380A5C-6C19-47AC-9646-7A0368EF4509@elecraft.com>
	<371182DC-D530-4E39-8675-7FA2D5C3FDCA@gmail.com>
	<3AC51A7D-F857-4AF8-9BEA-61DD89BC0A4F@gmail.com>
	<E47CBD43-0E3D-4178-B944-D515D17443A0@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <815202B6-EE8D-4B18-A49A-0BAFE4C98EF9@elecraft.com>

This is definitely a bug (annoying, but not serious). Thanks for catching it.

73,
Wayne
N6KR


> On Jul 6, 2017, at 6:23 AM, Erik Tkal <etksubs at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Any confirmation on this issue?
> 
>   Thanks and 73,
>   Erik Tkal  -  W1QED
> 
> 
> 
> On Jun 18, 2017, at 13:00, E T <etksubs at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> BTW, the KX2 with 2.77 behaves exactly the same way when scrolling past the N/A with the KXPA100 enabled.
> 
>   Thanks and 73,
>   Erik Tkal  -  W1QED
> 
> On Jun 18, 2017, at 10:34 AM, E T <etksubs at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Wayne,
> 
> There is one major quirk with the new ATU.DATA menu item on the KX3.  When using the KXPA100 the menu item shows up with the label N/A and value "--".  And then when you scroll up or down to the next menu item it takes up to a second to show the correct label.  Even when you are scrolling fast through the items and go past that one the N/A appears and persists as you scroll.  All the other transitions are immediate except this one.  Shouldn't the label still show as ATU.DATA and have the value show "--" or "N/A"?  E.g. like 2M/4M shows as "not inSt".
> 
> I'm going to update my KX2 to the beta that also has this and see if it also shows the same quirk.
> 
>   Thanks and 73,
>   Erik Tkal  -  W1QED
> 
> 
> On Apr 27, 2017, at 11:38 PM, Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> Rev. 2.70 KX3 firmware unintentionally reduced the max AF gain setting for both speaker and headphones. (We improved the granularity of the AF GAIN control at the low end but didn?t get around to scaling the high end back up to the original level.)
> 
> If you were affected by this and would like to try the field test release (rev. 2.76), please email me directly. 
> 
> This rev also includes the new ?ATU DATA? menu entry, which gives you two full sets of per-band ATU data for use when running the KX3 ?barefoot? (without the KXPA100/KXAT100). Typically one set would be used at home, the other in the field. If you do a lot of outings, this can save you the trouble of re-matching all of your antennas when you get home. Another use for this is with two different antennas for a given band.
> 
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR
> 
> 
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From n7ir at cox.net  Thu Jul  6 15:06:00 2017
From: n7ir at cox.net (Gary Hembree)
Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2017 12:06:00 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 with 2m tvtr - power control feature request
In-Reply-To: <595E458A.5090409@g3tct.co.uk>
Message-ID: <D737A24724374049A656041F0EEE944A@N7IRDell9020>

I have made the same observations with my K3/K144XV, vintage 2010: 8 Watts out at 0dBm in and 4 Watts out at ?10dBm in, all power measurements done on calibrated Bird and Boonton meters.  The transverter performs very well and gets clean signal reports, so it is not excessively non-linear.  The measured spectrum, to more than 1 GHz, is clean with no sign of oscillations.

This behavior must be the result of a transmit AGC circuit in the K144XV.  Harald has apparently found its upper limit adjustment potentiometer.

73
Gary, N7IR

From al7cr at mooseaviation.com  Thu Jul  6 15:11:48 2017
From: al7cr at mooseaviation.com (AL7CR)
Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2017 12:11:48 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3/0 Mini-F running WSJT-X via RemoteHamRadio  USB
Message-ID: <1499368308.2421359.1032678504.03558D4A@webmail.messagingengine.com>

I am testing RemoteHamRadio and have used WSJT-X under their web
application.  This has a few annoying limitations compared to running
locally from my K3S.

RemoteHamRadio now supports connecting the K3/0 Mini to the PC with only
a USB cable, i.e. no remoterig box is required.  They state that the
only difference between the two setups is that USB does not support
direct FSK at this time.  They also have told me that WSJT-X does not
support serial over ethernet very well hence  they do not recommend
using CAT.  Hmmmm....

I run WSJT-X JT9 and JT65 as my primary mode on my K3S.  I always use
the split mode feature to allow transmission in the sweet spot.  VOX for
TX would be OK but having to do everything manually would not be the
WSJT-X experience.

Has anyone out there run this configuration and if so what is your
experience?  If it works well then a full remote system running WSJT-X
with RemoteHamRadio would require only a K3/0 mini which is a pretty
sweet deal.

Hopefully someone had already tested this system.  I would rather not
have to buy a K3/0 Mini to test it.  It is tempting though ..

AL7CR

From w4sc at windstream.net  Thu Jul  6 15:32:00 2017
From: w4sc at windstream.net (w4sc)
Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2017 15:32:00 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 with 2m tvtr - power control feature request
In-Reply-To: <D737A24724374049A656041F0EEE944A@N7IRDell9020>
Message-ID: <CE6314162F0545B5A2E606A3EC33A025@z22z28>

The PO for xverter bands can be on a per band basis. It is all in the config menus.

XVn PWR:
Sets upper limit on power level for XVTR band n. (Tap 1 ? 9 to select band.)
H x.x (High power level) specifies a value in watts, and use of the main antenna
jack(s). This should be used with caution, as you could damage a transverter left
connected to these antenna jacks accidentally. L x.xx (Low power level)
specifies a value in milliwatts, which requires the KXV3 option. L 1.00 is
recommended for the K144XV internal 2-m module. (If CONFIG:PWR SET is
set to PER-BAND, the K3 will save the last-used power setting on each band.
This is especially useful for transverter bands.)

HOWEVER, it appears that 1mw is required for the K144XV.  I believe that is so the PO of K144 can be calculated by the K3 FW, as there is no direct measurement of the 144 PO.  Once the gain of the K144XV, I believe the calculation will be incorrect for display.

73 de Ben W4SC

From dd0vs at gmx.de  Thu Jul  6 15:49:01 2017
From: dd0vs at gmx.de (Harald Fritzsche)
Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2017 21:49:01 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 with 2m tvtr - power control feature request
In-Reply-To: <D737A24724374049A656041F0EEE944A@N7IRDell9020>
References: <595E458A.5090409@g3tct.co.uk>
	<D737A24724374049A656041F0EEE944A@N7IRDell9020>
Message-ID: <trinity-ebbf35d3-b4aa-4a97-a52e-dd7c4607d490-1499370541490@3capp-gmx-bs03>


From dd0vs at gmx.de  Thu Jul  6 16:02:32 2017
From: dd0vs at gmx.de (Harald Fritzsche)
Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2017 22:02:32 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 with 2m tvtr - power control feature request
In-Reply-To: <D737A24724374049A656041F0EEE944A@N7IRDell9020>
References: <595E458A.5090409@g3tct.co.uk>
	<D737A24724374049A656041F0EEE944A@N7IRDell9020>
Message-ID: <trinity-87df7e8c-e3ea-444d-9e61-400731ae2427-1499371352087@3capp-gmx-bs03>

Hello All,

unless otherwise expected, there is no AGC in the signal path of K144VX.
Therefore the dbm setting is not so accurate on output power as expected.
Furthermore, since there are 2 bandpasses in sequence (28MHz and 144MHz) the ripple of those bandpasses creates frequency dependend output power.

My solution for the Kuhne-Microwave transverters is:
1. setting Outputpower on 144.100 MHz to 2,5W, with maximum dBm setting with this R87 TX GAIN potentiometer
2. set the TX GAIN in the Microwave transverter to a value that allows maximum microwave output at 0dBm setting. (measurement)
3. checking frequency dependency and dBm setting dependency of the microwave output and create a graph or table for proper settings (for me during contest)
 
Yes -10dBm setting will not lead to a 10dB reduction on micowave power side, i measured this only for 13cm, it drops from approx 15W at max down to 6 at min.

This allows me to stay in a safe area, which is fully sufficient for me.

Hope i made it understandable.

Good Luck and many DX with Microwaves.

BTW: a feature missing on K3 is to program frequencies above 25GHz :-(

vy73
Harald
DD0VS
?
?

Gesendet:?Donnerstag, 06. Juli 2017 um 21:06 Uhr
Von:?"Gary Hembree" <n7ir at cox.net>
An:?elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Betreff:?Re: [Elecraft] K3 with 2m tvtr - power control feature request
I have made the same observations with my K3/K144XV, vintage 2010: 8 Watts out at 0dBm in and 4 Watts out at ?10dBm in, all power measurements done on calibrated Bird and Boonton meters. The transverter performs very well and gets clean signal reports, so it is not excessively non-linear. The measured spectrum, to more than 1 GHz, is clean with no sign of oscillations.

This behavior must be the result of a transmit AGC circuit in the K144XV. Harald has apparently found its upper limit adjustment potentiometer.

73
Gary, N7IR
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From k8aja73 at gmail.com  Thu Jul  6 18:14:20 2017
From: k8aja73 at gmail.com (David Needham)
Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2017 18:14:20 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S with Ham Radio Deluxe, DM780 and WSJT-X
Message-ID: <CAGofcJL8Si4DJVYKS1nkYvZPK+tUQHKG8HDucW8VH2a3TR8wnA@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,

I am new to the group and just completed my K3S. I have been able to get
Rig Control to work with my version 6.4.0.633 of Ham Radio Deluxe and CW
Send/receive on DM780 using CW(KY cmd), but no luck with PSK, RTTY and
WSJT-X.

Does anyone have the setting to get PSK31 and RTTY to work with DM780?

How about using WSJT-X where the Rig is Ham Radio Deluxe?

Thanks,
Dave, K8AJA

From etksubs at gmail.com  Thu Jul  6 18:19:09 2017
From: etksubs at gmail.com (Erik Tkal)
Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2017 18:19:09 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KX2/KX3 menu pauses when passing ATU.DATA with
 KXPA100 attached
In-Reply-To: <f7b517b9-9004-17b0-701c-1282c6448796@embarqmail.com>
References: <20380A5C-6C19-47AC-9646-7A0368EF4509@elecraft.com>
	<371182DC-D530-4E39-8675-7FA2D5C3FDCA@gmail.com>
	<3AC51A7D-F857-4AF8-9BEA-61DD89BC0A4F@gmail.com>
	<E47CBD43-0E3D-4178-B944-D515D17443A0@gmail.com>
	<f7b517b9-9004-17b0-701c-1282c6448796@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <286DE89C-78C4-4E28-B3FC-C203D90C5095@gmail.com>

But the menu item label itself goes to N/A, which is not alphabetical and doesn?t tell you *what* is not available, which is inconsistent with other functions that are at times not applicable.  It?s really the latency when scrolling past that is the issue, as I scroll quickly to search and trying to settle on a nearby item is kinda broken (I have to wait for the N/A to go away since it does not do that as soon as I scroll to the next item so I can?t even tell what the next item is).  It works fine with no KXPA100 attached.

  Thanks and 73,
  Erik Tkal  -  W1QED



On Jul 6, 2017, at 10:55, Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com> wrote:

Erik,

I cannot confirm or deny, but the 2 sets of ATU.DATA should be "N/A" or "--" when the KXPA100 is enabled.

Think about it a bit - the 2 data sets only pertain to the internal ATU in the KX2/KX3.  When the KXPA100 is enabled, that internal tuner is bypassed because any ATU must be on the output of the KXPA100.

The 2 sets of ATU.DATA is for field and home operation of the base KX2/KX3, not for the KXAT100.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 7/6/2017 9:23 AM, Erik Tkal wrote:
> Any confirmation on this issue?
>   Thanks and 73,
>   Erik Tkal  -  W1QED
> On Jun 18, 2017, at 13:00, E T <etksubs at gmail.com> wrote:
> BTW, the KX2 with 2.77 behaves exactly the same way when scrolling past the N/A with the KXPA100 enabled.
>   Thanks and 73,
>   Erik Tkal  -  W1QED
> On Jun 18, 2017, at 10:34 AM, E T <etksubs at gmail.com <mailto:etksubs at gmail.com>> wrote:
> Hi Wayne,
> There is one major quirk with the new ATU.DATA menu item on the KX3.  When using the KXPA100 the menu item shows up with the label N/A and value "--".  And then when you scroll up or down to the next menu item it takes up to a second to show the correct label.  Even when you are scrolling fast through the items and go past that one the N/A appears and persists as you scroll.  All the other transitions are immediate except this one.  Shouldn't the label still show as ATU.DATA and have the value show "--" or "N/A"?  E.g. like 2M/4M shows as "not inSt".
> I'm going to update my KX2 to the beta that also has this and see if it also shows the same quirk.
>   Thanks and 73,
>   Erik Tkal  -  W1QED
> On Apr 27, 2017, at 11:38 PM, Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com <mailto:n6kr at elecraft.com>> wrote:
> Hi all,
> Rev. 2.70 KX3 firmware unintentionally reduced the max AF gain setting for both speaker and headphones. (We improved the granularity of the AF GAIN control at the low end but didn?t get around to scaling the high end back up to the original level.)
> If you were affected by this and would like to try the field test release (rev. 2.76), please email me directly.
> This rev also includes the new ?ATU DATA? menu entry, which gives you two full sets of per-band ATU data for use when running the KX3 ?barefoot? (without the KXPA100/KXAT100). Typically one set would be used at home, the other in the field. If you do a lot of outings, this can save you the trouble of re-matching all of your antennas when you get home. Another use for this is with two different antennas for a given band.
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR
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From etksubs at gmail.com  Thu Jul  6 18:19:53 2017
From: etksubs at gmail.com (Erik Tkal)
Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2017 18:19:53 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KX2/KX3 menu pauses when passing ATU.DATA with
	KXPA100 attached
In-Reply-To: <815202B6-EE8D-4B18-A49A-0BAFE4C98EF9@elecraft.com>
References: <20380A5C-6C19-47AC-9646-7A0368EF4509@elecraft.com>
	<371182DC-D530-4E39-8675-7FA2D5C3FDCA@gmail.com>
	<3AC51A7D-F857-4AF8-9BEA-61DD89BC0A4F@gmail.com>
	<E47CBD43-0E3D-4178-B944-D515D17443A0@gmail.com>
	<815202B6-EE8D-4B18-A49A-0BAFE4C98EF9@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <DF563F9D-6D7D-4B0E-AFC5-CB4DC5D62306@gmail.com>

Ok, thanks, will wait for the next update.

  Thanks and 73,
  Erik Tkal  -  W1QED



On Jul 6, 2017, at 13:09, Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com> wrote:

This is definitely a bug (annoying, but not serious). Thanks for catching it.

73,
Wayne
N6KR


> On Jul 6, 2017, at 6:23 AM, Erik Tkal <etksubs at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Any confirmation on this issue?
> 
>  Thanks and 73,
>  Erik Tkal  -  W1QED
> 
> 
> 
> On Jun 18, 2017, at 13:00, E T <etksubs at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> BTW, the KX2 with 2.77 behaves exactly the same way when scrolling past the N/A with the KXPA100 enabled.
> 
>  Thanks and 73,
>  Erik Tkal  -  W1QED
> 
> On Jun 18, 2017, at 10:34 AM, E T <etksubs at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Wayne,
> 
> There is one major quirk with the new ATU.DATA menu item on the KX3.  When using the KXPA100 the menu item shows up with the label N/A and value "--".  And then when you scroll up or down to the next menu item it takes up to a second to show the correct label.  Even when you are scrolling fast through the items and go past that one the N/A appears and persists as you scroll.  All the other transitions are immediate except this one.  Shouldn't the label still show as ATU.DATA and have the value show "--" or "N/A"?  E.g. like 2M/4M shows as "not inSt".
> 
> I'm going to update my KX2 to the beta that also has this and see if it also shows the same quirk.
> 
>  Thanks and 73,
>  Erik Tkal  -  W1QED
> 
> 
> On Apr 27, 2017, at 11:38 PM, Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> Rev. 2.70 KX3 firmware unintentionally reduced the max AF gain setting for both speaker and headphones. (We improved the granularity of the AF GAIN control at the low end but didn?t get around to scaling the high end back up to the original level.)
> 
> If you were affected by this and would like to try the field test release (rev. 2.76), please email me directly. 
> 
> This rev also includes the new ?ATU DATA? menu entry, which gives you two full sets of per-band ATU data for use when running the KX3 ?barefoot? (without the KXPA100/KXAT100). Typically one set would be used at home, the other in the field. If you do a lot of outings, this can save you the trouble of re-matching all of your antennas when you get home. Another use for this is with two different antennas for a given band.
> 
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR
> 
> 
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From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Thu Jul  6 18:44:26 2017
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2017 18:44:26 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S with Ham Radio Deluxe, DM780 and WSJT-X
In-Reply-To: <CAGofcJL8Si4DJVYKS1nkYvZPK+tUQHKG8HDucW8VH2a3TR8wnA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGofcJL8Si4DJVYKS1nkYvZPK+tUQHKG8HDucW8VH2a3TR8wnA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a40250a2-a19d-7d07-05ac-9a1eb98ca523@embarqmail.com>

Dave,

CW via KY commands is quite different than the soundcard data modes 
(PSK, RTTY, WSJT-X).

For those DATA modes, you need to put the K3S into DATA A mode.
Then set the MIC SEL in the K3S to LINE IN.
The soundcard selected should be the CODEC in the K3S.
Make certain there is nothing plugged into the LINE IN jack on the K3S - 
that takes precedence over the internal soundcard output.

Once you have the correct soundcard set up in the computer, initially 
leave the K3S LINE OUT menu set to the default of 010.  You can adjust 
it later if you need fine adjustment.
Set the soundcard to use LINE IN instead of MIC if you can.  Then set 
the computer volume sliders so you get a decent waterfall display.

On the transmit side of things, initially set the computer LINE OUT (or 
SPKR if you can't get LINE OUT) to about 50%.  Put the K3S into TX TEST 
mode so you do not produce RF.
Do a transmit from the digital application.
While transmitting, adjust the K3S MIC GAIN (Actually LINE IN gain) to 
produce 4 bars solid with the 5th bar flickering on the ALC meter.  You 
may have to shuffle back and forth between the computer LINE OUT (or 
SPKR) slider and the K3S MIC GAIN to achieve that condition.

Once you have those settings correct, go out of TX TEST and operate.

Ignore the common internet advice to adjust the power output with the 
audio level - it does not work well with Elecraft gear.  Adjust the 
POWER knob to the desired power output.

I cannot answer about WSJT-X through HRD, but WSJT-X is "just another 
soundcard data mode", and the same things that apply to PSK and RTTY are 
applicable to WSJT-X.

73,
Don W3FPR


On 7/6/2017 6:14 PM, David Needham wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> I am new to the group and just completed my K3S. I have been able to get
> Rig Control to work with my version 6.4.0.633 of Ham Radio Deluxe and CW
> Send/receive on DM780 using CW(KY cmd), but no luck with PSK, RTTY and
> WSJT-X.
> 
> Does anyone have the setting to get PSK31 and RTTY to work with DM780?
> 
> How about using WSJT-X where the Rig is Ham Radio Deluxe?

From k8aja73 at gmail.com  Thu Jul  6 19:34:56 2017
From: k8aja73 at gmail.com (David Needham)
Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2017 19:34:56 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S with Ham Radio Deluxe, DM780 and WSJT-X
In-Reply-To: <a40250a2-a19d-7d07-05ac-9a1eb98ca523@embarqmail.com>
References: <CAGofcJL8Si4DJVYKS1nkYvZPK+tUQHKG8HDucW8VH2a3TR8wnA@mail.gmail.com>
	<a40250a2-a19d-7d07-05ac-9a1eb98ca523@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGofcJKbSukjw0r70xW-cuD4X32iv=BriYGyJJM_u3q6a=gNHw@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks, Don,
I will give that a try.

I am using the USB cable to my Win 10 PC. It installed COMM 8 and COMM 9. I
must not have the PTT settings right, yet. I can't get it to key the radio.
Do you know what those should be?

73,
Dave, K8AJA

On Jul 6, 2017 6:44 PM, "Don Wilhelm" <donwilh at embarqmail.com> wrote:

> Dave,
>
> CW via KY commands is quite different than the soundcard data modes (PSK,
> RTTY, WSJT-X).
>
> For those DATA modes, you need to put the K3S into DATA A mode.
> Then set the MIC SEL in the K3S to LINE IN.
> The soundcard selected should be the CODEC in the K3S.
> Make certain there is nothing plugged into the LINE IN jack on the K3S -
> that takes precedence over the internal soundcard output.
>
> Once you have the correct soundcard set up in the computer, initially
> leave the K3S LINE OUT menu set to the default of 010.  You can adjust it
> later if you need fine adjustment.
> Set the soundcard to use LINE IN instead of MIC if you can.  Then set the
> computer volume sliders so you get a decent waterfall display.
>
> On the transmit side of things, initially set the computer LINE OUT (or
> SPKR if you can't get LINE OUT) to about 50%.  Put the K3S into TX TEST
> mode so you do not produce RF.
> Do a transmit from the digital application.
> While transmitting, adjust the K3S MIC GAIN (Actually LINE IN gain) to
> produce 4 bars solid with the 5th bar flickering on the ALC meter.  You may
> have to shuffle back and forth between the computer LINE OUT (or SPKR)
> slider and the K3S MIC GAIN to achieve that condition.
>
> Once you have those settings correct, go out of TX TEST and operate.
>
> Ignore the common internet advice to adjust the power output with the
> audio level - it does not work well with Elecraft gear.  Adjust the POWER
> knob to the desired power output.
>
> I cannot answer about WSJT-X through HRD, but WSJT-X is "just another
> soundcard data mode", and the same things that apply to PSK and RTTY are
> applicable to WSJT-X.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
>
> On 7/6/2017 6:14 PM, David Needham wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> I am new to the group and just completed my K3S. I have been able to get
>> Rig Control to work with my version 6.4.0.633 of Ham Radio Deluxe and CW
>> Send/receive on DM780 using CW(KY cmd), but no luck with PSK, RTTY and
>> WSJT-X.
>>
>> Does anyone have the setting to get PSK31 and RTTY to work with DM780?
>>
>> How about using WSJT-X where the Rig is Ham Radio Deluxe?
>>
>

From k8aja73 at gmail.com  Thu Jul  6 20:59:47 2017
From: k8aja73 at gmail.com (David Needham)
Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2017 20:59:47 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S with Ham Radio Deluxe, DM780 and WSJT-X
In-Reply-To: <a40250a2-a19d-7d07-05ac-9a1eb98ca523@embarqmail.com>
References: <CAGofcJL8Si4DJVYKS1nkYvZPK+tUQHKG8HDucW8VH2a3TR8wnA@mail.gmail.com>
	<a40250a2-a19d-7d07-05ac-9a1eb98ca523@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGofcJ+JfF0NvtYtVszKguDhdck-ANoYGKSc2Nymhi8kikP20A@mail.gmail.com>

Don,
I unplugged the USB cable and loaded the FTDI driver from scratch. I
actually hadn't done that when I loaded the K3S utility. HRD sound card
modes key the PTT correctly now. I'll get the levels set correctly per your
suggestions tomorrow.

Thanks for the help!

73,
Dave, K8AJA
*********************

Dave,

CW via KY commands is quite different than the soundcard data modes (PSK,
RTTY, WSJT-X).

For those DATA modes, you need to put the K3S into DATA A mode.
Then set the MIC SEL in the K3S to LINE IN.
The soundcard selected should be the CODEC in the K3S.
Make certain there is nothing plugged into the LINE IN jack on the K3S -
that takes precedence over the internal soundcard output.

Once you have the correct soundcard set up in the computer, initially leave
the K3S LINE OUT menu set to the default of 010.  You can adjust it later
if you need fine adjustment.
Set the soundcard to use LINE IN instead of MIC if you can.  Then set the
computer volume sliders so you get a decent waterfall display.

On the transmit side of things, initially set the computer LINE OUT (or
SPKR if you can't get LINE OUT) to about 50%.  Put the K3S into TX TEST
mode so you do not produce RF.
Do a transmit from the digital application.
While transmitting, adjust the K3S MIC GAIN (Actually LINE IN gain) to
produce 4 bars solid with the 5th bar flickering on the ALC meter.  You may
have to shuffle back and forth between the computer LINE OUT (or SPKR)
slider and the K3S MIC GAIN to achieve that condition.

Once you have those settings correct, go out of TX TEST and operate.

Ignore the common internet advice to adjust the power output with the audio
level - it does not work well with Elecraft gear.  Adjust the POWER knob to
the desired power output.

I cannot answer about WSJT-X through HRD, but WSJT-X is "just another
soundcard data mode", and the same things that apply to PSK and RTTY are
applicable to WSJT-X.

73,
Don W3FPR

On Thu, Jul 6, 2017 at 6:44 PM, Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com> wrote:

> Dave,
>
> CW via KY commands is quite different than the soundcard data modes (PSK,
> RTTY, WSJT-X).
>
> For those DATA modes, you need to put the K3S into DATA A mode.
> Then set the MIC SEL in the K3S to LINE IN.
> The soundcard selected should be the CODEC in the K3S.
> Make certain there is nothing plugged into the LINE IN jack on the K3S -
> that takes precedence over the internal soundcard output.
>
> Once you have the correct soundcard set up in the computer, initially
> leave the K3S LINE OUT menu set to the default of 010.  You can adjust it
> later if you need fine adjustment.
> Set the soundcard to use LINE IN instead of MIC if you can.  Then set the
> computer volume sliders so you get a decent waterfall display.
>
> On the transmit side of things, initially set the computer LINE OUT (or
> SPKR if you can't get LINE OUT) to about 50%.  Put the K3S into TX TEST
> mode so you do not produce RF.
> Do a transmit from the digital application.
> While transmitting, adjust the K3S MIC GAIN (Actually LINE IN gain) to
> produce 4 bars solid with the 5th bar flickering on the ALC meter.  You may
> have to shuffle back and forth between the computer LINE OUT (or SPKR)
> slider and the K3S MIC GAIN to achieve that condition.
>
> Once you have those settings correct, go out of TX TEST and operate.
>
> Ignore the common internet advice to adjust the power output with the
> audio level - it does not work well with Elecraft gear.  Adjust the POWER
> knob to the desired power output.
>
> I cannot answer about WSJT-X through HRD, but WSJT-X is "just another
> soundcard data mode", and the same things that apply to PSK and RTTY are
> applicable to WSJT-X.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
>
>
> On 7/6/2017 6:14 PM, David Needham wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> I am new to the group and just completed my K3S. I have been able to get
>> Rig Control to work with my version 6.4.0.633 of Ham Radio Deluxe and CW
>> Send/receive on DM780 using CW(KY cmd), but no luck with PSK, RTTY and
>> WSJT-X.
>>
>> Does anyone have the setting to get PSK31 and RTTY to work with DM780?
>>
>> How about using WSJT-X where the Rig is Ham Radio Deluxe?
>>
>

From jim.w4atk at gmail.com  Fri Jul  7 09:52:22 2017
From: jim.w4atk at gmail.com (Jim Rogers)
Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2017 08:52:22 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] FS: K144XV Internal 2 meter transverter for K3/K3s
Message-ID: <4ad45779-6abc-db87-ebe9-5746bed05aac@gmail.com>

Unit has been in operation since original purchase on 2M SSB/CW. No FM 
so do not have FM filter.

Has the optional K144RFLK Reference Lock board for best frequency 
stability. Latest firmware and KUSB USB/Serial cable for firmware upates.

$385 shipped CONUS PayPal only.

Jim, W4ATK

jim.w4atk at gmail.com


From tomb18 at videotron.ca  Fri Jul  7 12:06:59 2017
From: tomb18 at videotron.ca (Tom)
Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2017 12:06:59 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft]  New release of Win4K3Suite
Message-ID: <50E70FAB1FB24B718950173E9ECFA859@DESKTOPAV61F2H>

Hello,
There is a new release of Win4K3Suite for the Elecraft K3-S, KX3, and KX2.  This release provides polling performance improvements and fixes an issue with the compression and monitor sliders.

Win4K3Suite is the ultimate computer control and integration program for your Elecraft Radio.  It interfaces with all Elecraft hardware allowing even the KX2 to control and integrate the KPA500 and KAT500.  In addition, it has built in virtual port technology which allows up to 4 software or hardware devices to share the radio.  Integrates with HRD LogBook and DM780, DXLab, Log4OM, you name it!  Includes a built in Panadapter supporting LPPAN, and SDRPlay.
You can see an overview here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htVlc9x0IoU

and some reviews here:
http://www.eham.net/reviews/detail/11214

73 Tom
va2fsq.com

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From WB4SON at gmail.com  Fri Jul  7 13:15:55 2017
From: WB4SON at gmail.com (Bob)
Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2017 13:15:55 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Any way to tune the KAT500 from the K3s Panel?
Message-ID: <CAPonRZ9JoDhv=z6We-Lf+MoKt0acOneh-02Y8n5HOh5Bbmdbpg@mail.gmail.com>

I am wondering if there is any way to setup a macro or other means of doing
a KAT500 "Tune" from the front panel of the K3s?  All the band-tracking
stuff works great via the Aux cable and I have the CONFIG:KAT3A setup for
KAT500Y.

73, Bob, WB4SON.

From dean.k2ww at gmail.com  Fri Jul  7 16:33:05 2017
From: dean.k2ww at gmail.com (Dean L)
Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2017 16:33:05 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft]  OT: Inverter type generators used for FD?
In-Reply-To: <CAHh=7in+7hFOoTm4-76N+PCWppX6fMMD-xthB-_iZB54CkTE0A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <279010222.547256.1498668141334.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<279010222.547256.1498668141334@mail.yahoo.com>
	<CAHh=7in+7hFOoTm4-76N+PCWppX6fMMD-xthB-_iZB54CkTE0A@mail.gmail.com>
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Howdy gang,
I'm going to chime in this OT thread before it gets shut down.
I live off grid ( past 7 years) watching over a very large and efficient
summer "playtoy", for an eccentric fellow.
We have used the 2000i's BIG bro, the Honda 6500 and now the 7000i. Both
are very noisy generating 20db+ of wideband noise, well into vhf range. I
have have tried some snap chokes, on th output without any joy, but may try
one of the  Jim Brown type  filters.

I simply shut the genset off and use a battery when operating my k3/P3,
which is a PITA.

An off OT testimonial .... I ran an EU 6500i , 39000 hours nonstop (only to
give it a fresh drink of Castrol syntec every 150-200 hours..) NEVER had
the head off !! The last 10000 hours it burned abt a pint of castrol every
other day. I finally replaced it with a pair of eu7000's before it quit on
its own.
I'm not sure if it was the synthetic oil or Honda engineering,  but that
was AMAZING.
I will also add, it's a very good thing we bought 2 of the 7000i's,  as
they have been in and out the shop CONSTANTLY, JUNK in comparison.

Any suggestions on having to beefing up the filter for the higher wattage
genset? Sources for the ferrites?
Sorry for hijacking the slightly OT  thread
73 all
Dean K2WW

From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Fri Jul  7 17:27:11 2017
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2017 14:27:11 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Inverter type generators used for FD?
In-Reply-To: <CAHh=7imFpZz4shuNwt-ZSisPgwZo6Ncz=DXZ0g73Z39Yev9oqQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <279010222.547256.1498668141334.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<279010222.547256.1498668141334@mail.yahoo.com>
	<CAHh=7in+7hFOoTm4-76N+PCWppX6fMMD-xthB-_iZB54CkTE0A@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHh=7imFpZz4shuNwt-ZSisPgwZo6Ncz=DXZ0g73Z39Yev9oqQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d5add1e7-32de-a3cc-7d5b-1b34e1c14615@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On 7/7/2017 1:33 PM, Dean L wrote:
> Sources for the ferrites?

http://k9yc.com/KillingReceiveNoise.pdf   See pages 9-10.

Also see http://nccc.cc/pdf/CQP-RFI2013-2.pdf Slides 4-7

73, Jim K9YC


From elecraft at g4fre.com  Fri Jul  7 17:39:40 2017
From: elecraft at g4fre.com (Dave)
Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2017 22:39:40 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 with 2m tvtr - power control feature request
Message-ID: <001c01d2f769$89eec8c0$9dcc5a40$@g4fre.com>

Hi Graham

This issue has been pointed out to Elecraft on more than one occasion over
the last few years.   

When using either the internal 2m xverter or the xv output from the back
panel, turning the power knob fully anticlockwise does NOT reduce the output
power to zero like on ALL other bands.  On my K3 setup the power range is 1w
to 9w (144.3MHz). On my K3S setup the range is 1.5-10W(144.3MHz). Both my
internal transverters as supplied were peaked at 147.5MHz , they were
adjusted to peak the output in the UK narrowband allocation(as supplied they
produced 7.5W and 6W respectively at 144.3MHz) 

If using the 28MHz XVerter output from the radio, with the XV level set to
0dBm in the menu,  the range controlled by the power pot is 0dBm to -9dBm on
my K3 and 0dbm to -8dbm on my K3S  If I set the XV level to -10dBm I get
-9dBm at 28MHz irrespective of the power pot setting (ie the power pot does
nothing!)

Rerunning the power calibration routines (on more than one occasion) has
made no difference to the K3 or K3S results

The last response I got from Wayne (sept 2015)  on the issue was that there
is no software solution to the problem;  the suggested "fix" involved
setting TX ALC to OFF

Dave
G4FRE 

From: Graham Kimbell <g3tct at g3tct.co.uk>
To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 with 2m tvtr - power control feature request
Message-ID: <595E458A.5090409 at g3tct.co.uk>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

I have a K3 (old style) with internal 2m transverter that I want to use 
to drive a  microwave transverter.  There are a few issues with the 
output power -

    * the max output is supposed to be 10W, but measures 7W even after
      calibration - seems wrong but I can cope with thisv
    * the minimum power is 5W but should be down 10dB on the max, ie
      0.7W.  This is a problem because I need about 1W to drive the
      microwave tvtr.
    * the XV config that allows setting the 28MHz input to the tvtr has
      been checked and is exactly the 1mW (0dBm) default.  With the
      power control set to minimum it measured -7dBm.

So it appears that the internal 2m xvtr has too much gain, and there 
does not appear to be any way to reduce the power output below 5W.  Is 
there any chance of making this possible?

I have a friend with a K3S with the same difficulty, so it seems to be a 
common feature.

Graham




From m.matthew.george at gmail.com  Fri Jul  7 21:52:21 2017
From: m.matthew.george at gmail.com (M. George)
Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2017 19:52:21 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] New release of Win4K3Suite
In-Reply-To: <50E70FAB1FB24B718950173E9ECFA859@DESKTOPAV61F2H>
References: <50E70FAB1FB24B718950173E9ECFA859@DESKTOPAV61F2H>
Message-ID: <CAFYRpHuYgoMUhUNuaBE1crhE9Ps_HuORCHde=sbEGJo5VrX1QQ@mail.gmail.com>

Tom, this new release with the optimization of the polling for the CAT data
sharing from the K3(s) is a big improvement.  Well done.  With the new
release the CAT data update in N1MM+ as shared from Win4K3Suite is very
smooth and responsive... I share CAT data to an SDA100 SteppIR controller
and to an SPE 2K-FA.  The frequency data updates hit all the devices in
near real-time now through the com port sharing with com0com.

Max NG7M

On Fri, Jul 7, 2017 at 10:06 AM, Tom <tomb18 at videotron.ca> wrote:

> Hello,
> There is a new release of Win4K3Suite for the Elecraft K3-S, KX3, and
> KX2.  This release provides polling performance improvements and fixes an
> issue with the compression and monitor sliders.
>
> Win4K3Suite is the ultimate computer control and integration program for
> your Elecraft Radio.  It interfaces with all Elecraft hardware allowing
> even the KX2 to control and integrate the KPA500 and KAT500.  In addition,
> it has built in virtual port technology which allows up to 4 software or
> hardware devices to share the radio.  Integrates with HRD LogBook and
> DM780, DXLab, Log4OM, you name it!  Includes a built in Panadapter
> supporting LPPAN, and SDRPlay.
> You can see an overview here:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htVlc9x0IoU
>
> and some reviews here:
> http://www.eham.net/reviews/detail/11214
>
> 73 Tom
> va2fsq.com
>
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From tomb18 at videotron.ca  Fri Jul  7 22:19:28 2017
From: tomb18 at videotron.ca (tomb18)
Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2017 22:19:28 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] New release of Win4K3Suite
Message-ID: <d6244fb2c559fe328169915304551fa7@smtp.videotron.ca>

Cool.?Just for my info, how are you using the steppir??73 Tom?


Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
-------- Original message --------From: "M. George" <m.matthew.george at gmail.com> Date: 2017-07-07  9:52 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: Tom <tomb18 at videotron.ca> Cc: Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] New release of Win4K3Suite 
Tom, this new release with the optimization of the polling for the CAT data sharing from the K3(s) is a big improvement.? Well done.? With the new release the CAT data update in N1MM+ as shared from Win4K3Suite is very smooth and responsive... I share CAT data to an SDA100 SteppIR controller and to an SPE 2K-FA.? The frequency data updates hit all the devices in near real-time now through the com port sharing with com0com.
Max NG7M
On Fri, Jul 7, 2017 at 10:06 AM, Tom <tomb18 at videotron.ca> wrote:
Hello,

There is a new release of Win4K3Suite for the Elecraft K3-S, KX3, and KX2.? This release provides polling performance improvements and fixes an issue with the compression and monitor sliders.



Win4K3Suite is the ultimate computer control and integration program for your Elecraft Radio.? It interfaces with all Elecraft hardware allowing even the KX2 to control and integrate the KPA500 and KAT500.? In addition, it has built in virtual port technology which allows up to 4 software or hardware devices to share the radio.? Integrates with HRD LogBook and DM780, DXLab, Log4OM, you name it!? Includes a built in Panadapter supporting LPPAN, and SDRPlay.

You can see an overview here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htVlc9x0IoU



and some reviews here:

http://www.eham.net/reviews/detail/11214



73 Tom

va2fsq.com



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From m.matthew.george at gmail.com  Fri Jul  7 22:53:12 2017
From: m.matthew.george at gmail.com (M. George)
Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2017 20:53:12 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] New release of Win4K3Suite
In-Reply-To: <d6244fb2c559fe328169915304551fa7@smtp.videotron.ca>
References: <d6244fb2c559fe328169915304551fa7@smtp.videotron.ca>
Message-ID: <CAFYRpHs11Gr0xk-Snvu-1sMfw-fS74Us38AhVpicsXUj-tRVfg@mail.gmail.com>

Tom, double checked and I'm feeding the SteppIR SDA100 off the K3s RS232
data out port... On the K3s you have the USB serial interface and when you
are in the USB mode the K3s still has a read only output on the RS323
port.  So in the case of the SDA100 and my K3s, I'm not using a com0com
pair to share the CAT feed.  I also have a K3 that only has the RS232 I/O
and when I was using it, I had a com0com pair setup to share the output to
the SteppIR in a readonly mode as configured in Win4K3Suite.

At the end of the day right now, it's so easy to get 4 full CAT feeds setup
if required.  I can have N1MM++ going along with DXLab Commander and the
full feed to my SPE 2K-FA.  Its nice to know I can add more gadgets as
needed to get the K3s CAT feed.  I have been tempted to ask you if there
would be potential to add additional port sharing... bump up from 4 ports
to 6 etc... maybe we can take that off the Elecraft list.

Thanks Max NG7M

On Fri, Jul 7, 2017 at 8:19 PM, tomb18 <tomb18 at videotron.ca> wrote:

> Cool.
> Just for my info, how are you using the steppir?
> 73 Tom
>
>
>
> Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: "M. George" <m.matthew.george at gmail.com>
> Date: 2017-07-07 9:52 PM (GMT-05:00)
> To: Tom <tomb18 at videotron.ca>
> Cc: Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] New release of Win4K3Suite
>
> Tom, this new release with the optimization of the polling for the CAT
> data sharing from the K3(s) is a big improvement.  Well done.  With the new
> release the CAT data update in N1MM+ as shared from Win4K3Suite is very
> smooth and responsive... I share CAT data to an SDA100 SteppIR controller
> and to an SPE 2K-FA.  The frequency data updates hit all the devices in
> near real-time now through the com port sharing with com0com.
>
> Max NG7M
>
> On Fri, Jul 7, 2017 at 10:06 AM, Tom <tomb18 at videotron.ca> wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>> There is a new release of Win4K3Suite for the Elecraft K3-S, KX3, and
>> KX2.  This release provides polling performance improvements and fixes an
>> issue with the compression and monitor sliders.
>>
>> Win4K3Suite is the ultimate computer control and integration program for
>> your Elecraft Radio.  It interfaces with all Elecraft hardware allowing
>> even the KX2 to control and integrate the KPA500 and KAT500.  In addition,
>> it has built in virtual port technology which allows up to 4 software or
>> hardware devices to share the radio.  Integrates with HRD LogBook and
>> DM780, DXLab, Log4OM, you name it!  Includes a built in Panadapter
>> supporting LPPAN, and SDRPlay.
>> You can see an overview here:
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htVlc9x0IoU
>>
>> and some reviews here:
>> http://www.eham.net/reviews/detail/11214
>>
>> 73 Tom
>> va2fsq.com
>>
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From pincon at erols.com  Sat Jul  8 09:44:55 2017
From: pincon at erols.com (Charlie T, K3ICH)
Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2017 09:44:55 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] New release of Win4K3Suite
In-Reply-To: <50E70FAB1FB24B718950173E9ECFA859@DESKTOPAV61F2H>
References: <50E70FAB1FB24B718950173E9ECFA859@DESKTOPAV61F2H>
Message-ID: <003601d2f7f0$65b7c600$31275200$@erols.com>

Since I now have a KX2, but not a KX3, a nice Wind Camp (red) heat sink
specifically made for the KX3 is extra.
It is very well made with a counter sunk mounting holes and bare surface for
the two output transistors.
It has never been installed, so it is officially brand new.
The machining quality is excellent.

I will ship it in the 48 for $35.
Int'l shipping extra.

73, Charlie k3ICH



-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net
[mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Tom
Sent: Friday, July 07, 2017 12:07 PM
To: Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: [Elecraft] New release of Win4K3Suite

Hello,
There is a new release of Win4K3Suite for the Elecraft K3-S, KX3, and KX2.
This release provides polling performance improvements and fixes an issue
with the compression and monitor sliders.

Win4K3Suite is the ultimate computer control and integration program for
your Elecraft Radio.  It interfaces with all Elecraft hardware allowing even
the KX2 to control and integrate the KPA500 and KAT500.  In addition, it has
built in virtual port technology which allows up to 4 software or hardware
devices to share the radio.  Integrates with HRD LogBook and DM780, DXLab,
Log4OM, you name it!  Includes a built in Panadapter supporting LPPAN, and
SDRPlay.
You can see an overview here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htVlc9x0IoU

and some reviews here:
http://www.eham.net/reviews/detail/11214

73 Tom
va2fsq.com

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From pincon at erols.com  Sat Jul  8 09:47:52 2017
From: pincon at erols.com (Charlie T, K3ICH)
Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2017 09:47:52 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Wind Camp heat sink for KX# for sale
Message-ID: <003c01d2f7f0$cfa9f740$6efde5c0$@erols.com>

Sorry, I forgot to change the subject line

-----Original Message-----
From: Charlie T, K3ICH [mailto:pincon at erols.com] 
Sent: Saturday, July 08, 2017 9:45 AM
To: 'elecraft at mailman.qth.net' <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: RE: [Elecraft] New release of Win4K3Suite

Since I now have a KX2, but not a KX3, a nice Wind Camp (red) heat sink
specifically made for the KX3 is extra.
It is very well made with a counter sunk mounting holes and bare surface for
the two output transistors.
It has never been installed, so it is officially brand new.
The machining quality is excellent.

I will ship it in the 48 for $35.
Int'l shipping extra.

73, Charlie k3ICH




From lenecee at ca.rr.com  Sat Jul  8 10:51:38 2017
From: lenecee at ca.rr.com (Len Chesler home email)
Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2017 07:51:38 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KXPA100/AT for sale
Message-ID: <8DF8F4AD-6246-4B48-B140-C27D3082C25D@ca.rr.com>

I am selling my KXPA100 with built-in antenna tuner. S/N 1564 in 100% physical and operating condition as I have not been using it and need the funds to replace my antenna.  Unit comes with power cord and manual.  Asking $925 which includes shipping CONUS.  Please contact me for questions or photos.  Len, K6LEN, k6len at arrl.net <mailto:k6len at arrl.net>.  Tnx and 73

From pincon at erols.com  Sat Jul  8 11:28:47 2017
From: pincon at erols.com (Charlie T, K3ICH)
Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2017 11:28:47 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Car-Starter battery packs
Message-ID: <004401d2f7fe$e89af930$b9d0eb90$@erols.com>

I'm seeing a lot of good deals on these Lithium battery, emergency "car
starter" packs.

They're typically rates from 12000 to 24000 mA-hr, or, as we're inclined to
call them 18 to 24 Amp-Hr.
Prices vary from about $40 up over $80.

They come in a nice durable case with a charger and output cables.

At first glance, they'd seem ideal for a field pack for portable radio
operation.
They certainly can't be limited in their current capability, considering
what it takes to start even a small car's engine.
But then, their ratings may be extremely optimistic.

Anybody gat any thoughts on these?

73, Charlie k3ICH




From vk5zm at bistre.net  Sat Jul  8 12:44:37 2017
From: vk5zm at bistre.net (Matthew Cook)
Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2017 02:14:37 +0930
Subject: [Elecraft] Voice Keyer Problems
Message-ID: <CAE+2d_01u1fCzhu5vX+1rOpPZ=h9-DTngBDs7OD3FEu9sr9iBg@mail.gmail.com>

Howdy All,

We're currently having a few problems the Digital Voice Recorder in one of
the K3's we're using in the IARU contest (in progress).  The radio is
a very late model K3 that was purchased & picked up at Dayton on the
weekend the K3s was released.  As usual a gremlin has crept into our radios
at 2AM (local) in the middle of a contest sigh....

The Digital voice recorder is doing a few odd things when placed in the
automatic "repeat" calling mode;

   1. randomly locking up and not returning control after playback complete
   2. stopping prematurely before the end of the playback
   3. randomly replaying white noise for the entire playback period

For situation 1 we can reboot the radio (power off and on) which restores
operation for a while.  The last two issues will resolve them selves on the
next activation of the voice keyer (manually).

We're wondering if we have to pull the KDVR3 out of the radio for repair,
or is there software options/versions available that we can upgrade ?  Has
anyone experienced problems like were describing?

73

Matthew
VK5ZM
VK5WIA IARU HQ station

From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Sat Jul  8 13:19:18 2017
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2017 12:19:18 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Voice Keyer Problems
In-Reply-To: <CAE+2d_01u1fCzhu5vX+1rOpPZ=h9-DTngBDs7OD3FEu9sr9iBg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAE+2d_01u1fCzhu5vX+1rOpPZ=h9-DTngBDs7OD3FEu9sr9iBg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <19b45631-de56-b5a8-f246-b1529bc90264@blomand.net>

Sounds to me as though a bit of RFI is causing issues.   I trust there 
is adequate isolation physically between the station and the antenna and 
that you are employing a Common Mode Choke on the feedline at the 
transceiver.

73

Bob, K4TAX


On 7/8/2017 11:44 AM, Matthew Cook wrote:
> Howdy All,
>
> We're currently having a few problems the Digital Voice Recorder in one of
> the K3's we're using in the IARU contest (in progress).  The radio is
> a very late model K3 that was purchased & picked up at Dayton on the
> weekend the K3s was released.  As usual a gremlin has crept into our radios
> at 2AM (local) in the middle of a contest sigh....
>
> The Digital voice recorder is doing a few odd things when placed in the
> automatic "repeat" calling mode;
>
>     1. randomly locking up and not returning control after playback complete
>     2. stopping prematurely before the end of the playback
>     3. randomly replaying white noise for the entire playback period
>
> For situation 1 we can reboot the radio (power off and on) which restores
> operation for a while.  The last two issues will resolve them selves on the
> next activation of the voice keyer (manually).
>
> We're wondering if we have to pull the KDVR3 out of the radio for repair,
> or is there software options/versions available that we can upgrade ?  Has
> anyone experienced problems like were describing?
>
> 73
>
> Matthew
> VK5ZM
> VK5WIA IARU HQ station
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From KX3.1 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com  Sat Jul  8 13:49:46 2017
From: KX3.1 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com (Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT)
Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2017 10:49:46 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Car-Starter battery packs
In-Reply-To: <004401d2f7fe$e89af930$b9d0eb90$@erols.com>
References: <004401d2f7fe$e89af930$b9d0eb90$@erols.com>
Message-ID: <e5e7a14e-9719-c2f1-1253-84452f3dcf0a@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com>

Just bought a second one of these.

Like UPS batteries, starting draws a ton of current all at once.  The 
intended use will limit the life of the battery.

I have a Bolt Power D28, which has two USB charging ports, and an outlet 
that can be different voltages from 12v to 19v -- it'd run a laptop 
nicely for quite a while.  The supplied "laptop" cable would power a KX3 
nicely.

The Bolt D29 has more capacity, but doesn't have the "laptop" power.

I paid about $60 each on Amazon (on sale).

The D29 is 18 ah, the D28 is 13.6 ah.

We've actually used the smaller one to start a car.

73 -- Lynn

On 7/8/2017 8:28 AM, Charlie T, K3ICH wrote:
> I'm seeing a lot of good deals on these Lithium battery, emergency "car
> starter" packs.
> 
> They're typically rates from 12000 to 24000 mA-hr, or, as we're inclined to
> call them 18 to 24 Amp-Hr.
> Prices vary from about $40 up over $80.
> 
> They come in a nice durable case with a charger and output cables.
> 
> At first glance, they'd seem ideal for a field pack for portable radio
> operation.
> They certainly can't be limited in their current capability, considering
> what it takes to start even a small car's engine.
> But then, their ratings may be extremely optimistic.
> 
> Anybody gat any thoughts on these?
> 
> 73, Charlie k3ICH
> 
> 
> 
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From k2asp at kanafi.org  Sat Jul  8 17:37:23 2017
From: k2asp at kanafi.org (Phil Kane)
Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2017 14:37:23 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Car-Starter battery packs
In-Reply-To: <9ea62262-a6a7-4a12-838f-c4d4fa16efbe@kanafi.org>
References: <9ea62262-a6a7-4a12-838f-c4d4fa16efbe@kanafi.org>
Message-ID: <fa5b3b3b-fb51-98db-0fb4-5fdcc23769ab@kanafi.org>


On 7/8/2017 8:28 AM, Charlie T, K3ICH wrote:

> At first glance, they'd seem ideal for a field pack for portable radio
> operation.
> They certainly can't be limited in their current capability, considering
> what it takes to start even a small car's engine.
> But then, their ratings may be extremely optimistic.
> 
> Anybody gat any thoughts on these?

Don't be misled by the A-Hr ratings.  Battery construction for
short-term high-amperage discharge (such as car starting) is radically
different from that for long-duration low-amperage loads such as
proposed.  Ditto for deep-discharge and float charge  capabilities as
well as battery chemistry.

We run across these questions frequently in design of communication site
standby power.
I would examine the specs very carefully.

----

73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane
Elecraft K2/100   s/n 5402

>From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest
Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon

From KX3.1 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com  Sat Jul  8 18:15:03 2017
From: KX3.1 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com (Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT)
Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2017 15:15:03 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Car-Starter battery packs
In-Reply-To: <fa5b3b3b-fb51-98db-0fb4-5fdcc23769ab@kanafi.org>
References: <9ea62262-a6a7-4a12-838f-c4d4fa16efbe@kanafi.org>
	<fa5b3b3b-fb51-98db-0fb4-5fdcc23769ab@kanafi.org>
Message-ID: <372fc86c-f09f-a547-0691-15323adf1305@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com>

Don't know how much you've looked at these Phil.

Almost without exception, they provide USB "phone" charging and other 
low-current (compared to car-starting) outputs.

They're not optimized for running a rig (or a laptop or a phone) but 
they do have a stack of lithium cells and some protective circuitry for 
a very attractive price.

I agree that I wouldn't use one as a backup power in commercial service, 
but for what I need they seem to work well.

Sometimes perfect is the enemy of good-enough.

73 -- Lynn

On 7/8/2017 2:37 PM, Phil Kane wrote:
> Don't be misled by the A-Hr ratings.  Battery construction for
> short-term high-amperage discharge (such as car starting) is radically
> different from that for long-duration low-amperage loads such as
> proposed.  Ditto for deep-discharge and float charge  capabilities as
> well as battery chemistry.

From eric_csuf at hotmail.com  Sat Jul  8 18:30:04 2017
From: eric_csuf at hotmail.com (Eric J)
Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2017 22:30:04 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Car-Starter battery packs
In-Reply-To: <e5e7a14e-9719-c2f1-1253-84452f3dcf0a@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com>
References: <004401d2f7fe$e89af930$b9d0eb90$@erols.com>
	<e5e7a14e-9719-c2f1-1253-84452f3dcf0a@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com>
Message-ID: <DM5PR03MB27163C44759D7EAC0E54931C8EAB0@DM5PR03MB2716.namprd03.prod.outlook.com>

I used LiPo batteries I bought for RC electric planes to power my K1 and 
K2/10 tied to a 50W HiPacker Amp with no issues at all. They were meant 
to deliver very high current (40A) for relatively short duration (about 
15 minutes or less), but some of them lasted for 5 years powering the 
Elecraft rigs for several days of CW operation. I recharged them with 
the same charger I always used with them.

If the price is right, I think they'd work fine, despite being designed 
for a different application.

Eric KE6US

> On 7/8/2017 8:28 AM, Charlie T, K3ICH wrote:
>> I'm seeing a lot of good deals on these Lithium battery, emergency "car
>> starter" packs.
>>
>> They're typically rates from 12000 to 24000 mA-hr, or, as we're 
>> inclined to
>> call them 18 to 24 Amp-Hr.
>> Prices vary from about $40 up over $80.
>>
>> They come in a nice durable case with a charger and output cables.
>>
>> At first glance, they'd seem ideal for a field pack for portable radio
>> operation.
>> They certainly can't be limited in their current capability, considering
>> what it takes to start even a small car's engine.
>> But then, their ratings may be extremely optimistic.
>>
>> Anybody gat any thoughts on these?
>>
>> 73, Charlie k3ICH
>>
>>
>>
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From kevinr at coho.net  Sat Jul  8 21:07:45 2017
From: kevinr at coho.net (kevinr at coho.net)
Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2017 18:07:45 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Announcement
Message-ID: <195a517e-2294-c9e7-9cb4-0d6ffef2f575@coho.net>

Good Evening,

It's been a very pleasant week.  It has warmed up a little now; all the 
way to 75 degrees.  The fog comes up the mountain each morning and then 
flows back down a little later.  The trees stay green that way.

Propagation may have improved; I checked Spaceweather.com and found a 
change.  An actual sunspot with the SFU in the 80s. Who knows?  Things 
may work out tomorrow.  Hopefully this email won't take three days to 
reach Elecraft.  Last week that is what happened.

Please join us tomorrow on:

    14050 kHz at 2200z Sunday (3 PM PDT Sunday)
     7045 kHz at 0000z Monday (5 PM PDT Sunday)

     73,
         Kevin. KD5ONS

-


From YV5WZ at hotmail.com  Sat Jul  8 22:05:12 2017
From: YV5WZ at hotmail.com (JORGE LUIS SERRANO)
Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2017 02:05:12 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Where to buy ?
Message-ID: <BY2PR02MB13806882EBC6E9CB5EAE95F9F8A80@BY2PR02MB1380.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>

Anyone has idea where to buy a cable to connect Icom Ic-7300 to KPA500?

I have read instruction from Elecraft  to connect it, and they recommend to contact to WWW.W4RT.com<http://WWW.W4RT.com>   but website is down

I would appreciate any advice


Best Regards and 73's

George
YV5WZ / PY3ZZZ


From va3mw at portcredit.net  Sat Jul  8 22:18:50 2017
From: va3mw at portcredit.net (Michael Walker)
Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2017 22:18:50 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Where to buy ?
In-Reply-To: <BY2PR02MB13806882EBC6E9CB5EAE95F9F8A80@BY2PR02MB1380.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
References: <BY2PR02MB13806882EBC6E9CB5EAE95F9F8A80@BY2PR02MB1380.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CA+33ts6omzYX4MVXUN12KDoGFH=R=VOhVcum9vNGigMLyRMKNA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi George

It is a simple cable to make.  You only require the PTT lead from the radio
to the amplifier.  It is actually only 1 wire and 2 connectors.  Ground can
be optional since the DC ground for the amp will be completed via the coax
cable.

Band switching is an option and I ran for years on my TS480 and Flex 6300
without band changing data.

Mike va3mw

On Sat, Jul 8, 2017 at 10:05 PM, JORGE LUIS SERRANO <YV5WZ at hotmail.com>
wrote:

> Anyone has idea where to buy a cable to connect Icom Ic-7300 to KPA500?
>
> I have read instruction from Elecraft  to connect it, and they recommend
> to contact to WWW.W4RT.com<http://WWW.W4RT.com>   but website is down
>
> I would appreciate any advice
>
>
> Best Regards and 73's
>
> George
> YV5WZ / PY3ZZZ
>
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From YV5WZ at hotmail.com  Sat Jul  8 22:44:04 2017
From: YV5WZ at hotmail.com (JORGE LUIS SERRANO)
Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2017 02:44:04 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] I wrote wrong...I meant KAT500
Message-ID: <BY2PR02MB13808A2D97DBAEFF2CD30753F8A80@BY2PR02MB1380.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>

I just wrote Cable from Icom IC-7300 to KPA500

But??I meant to antenna Tuner KAT500

I know its a Molex connector to  1/8 ? connector

Problem is I live at Venezuela?.Here  Its difficult to find those connectors to make
The cable?..and its easiest for me to buy cable and import it


Best Regards and 73's

George
YV5WZ / PY3ZZZ


From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Sun Jul  9 00:58:27 2017
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2017 21:58:27 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Where to buy ?
In-Reply-To: <CA+33ts6omzYX4MVXUN12KDoGFH=R=VOhVcum9vNGigMLyRMKNA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BY2PR02MB13806882EBC6E9CB5EAE95F9F8A80@BY2PR02MB1380.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
	<CA+33ts6omzYX4MVXUN12KDoGFH=R=VOhVcum9vNGigMLyRMKNA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9d174566-c956-884d-762c-994eebded8ad@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On 7/8/2017 7:18 PM, Michael Walker wrote:
> Ground can be optional since the DC ground for the amp will be completed via the coax cable.

NO! NO! NO! That's a recipe for RFI. EVERY path, even when it's DC, 
should be a transmission line so that it can reject RFI and other noise. 
A single conductor from one RCA to the other combines with the shield 
return to form a wonderful LOOP that couples RFI and noise two ways -- 
first, inductively, and second as an antenna.

Many years ago, at an IEEE EMC engineering conference, I saw a wonderful 
demonstration of this problem. They had an HP oscillator and a voltmeter 
connected two ways. First, a wire from hot to hot with a very large 
conductive plate serving as the return. Second, coax. There was an 
current sense in both returns.

At low AF, the current was all in the big plate, but through the audio 
spectrum, it shifted to the coax, and by about 10 kHz, was almost all in 
the coax. The principle is that current follows the lowest IMPEDANCE 
path. At low AF, the inductance of the loop with the plate is low and 
the coax is Zo (which varies with frequency, is very high at low audio, 
falling rapidly). As frequency increases, XL of that loop increases, Zo 
falls, and all the current is in the coax.

73, Jim K9YC


From carleferguson at gmail.com  Sun Jul  9 09:42:03 2017
From: carleferguson at gmail.com (Carl Ferguson)
Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2017 08:42:03 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Remote Power On/Off
Message-ID: <CAC7p0MSFA67cQtCPq+efYy-rQ-9i56tk7xvyowJq8KVKDzxw6A@mail.gmail.com>

I frequently operate remote.  I am new to the K3.

I interpret the manual to say to

To turn the radio back on after my control program sends a PS0; command to
power off

   - turn on the DC power supply (this DC supply operates equipment in
   addition to the K3 and must be turned off when the station is shutdown)
   - ground ACC Pin 8

To turn the radio off

   - send the PS0; command
   - open ACC Pin 8
   - turn off the DC power supply

I infer from this sequence that pressing the Power button to turn on the K3
effectively grounds ACC pin 8.

Conversely, pressing the Power button to turn off the K3, opens ACC Pin 8.

Is this correct?

Thank you.

Carl
W4UOA

From n7tb at comcast.net  Sun Jul  9 11:30:08 2017
From: n7tb at comcast.net (Terry Brown)
Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2017 15:30:08 -0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Icom AH-4 Universal Interface with KX3
Message-ID: <012101d2f8c8$3f8e8c60$beaba520$@comcast.net>

I have an Icom AH-4 auto tuner that I would like to place at the feedpoint
of my horizontal loop so that when I tune, I will have 50 ohms coming
through the long run of coax to my rig instead of high swr.  I bought the
tuner when I had my ICOM rigs that would interface and tune directly to it.

 

I looked on the internet, and there are several universal interfaces, some
more complex than others.  I elected to go with the simple interface that
consists of a momentary switch, an led and 3K resistor in series as the the
main components.  The following link shows a photograph of the circuit.

 

http://pacificcoastsail.com/PCSC_working/Blog/BOAT%20RESOURCE%20LIST%20VIP/m
ods_dk%20-%20ICOM%20-%20AH-4_files/IC-AH3_and_AH4_wiring.gif

 

I have my KX3 connected to my KXPA100 but the tuner is bypassed.  I have
read that it requires at least 10 watts output from the rig to make the
circuit work.  If I set the TUN PWR to 10 watts and press the TUNE (not ATU
TUNE)  the power output shows 10 watts but when I press the momentary switch
to tune the AH-4, nothing happens and the tuner is not engaged and swr is
unchanged at 5.2:1..  

 

If I set TUN PWR to 20 watts and try it, the power output shows zero before
I can press the momentary switch.  .

 

The LED is 12V Led.  I have 12.8 volts into the circuit, and at the
terminals of the DC power receptacle where the circuit attaches, I read
3.66V with everything connected.

 

I would appreciate it if any others have gotten this circuit to work and
could tell me what I am missing.

 

Thanks,

 

Terry

 

 


From n7tb at comcast.net  Sun Jul  9 11:38:49 2017
From: n7tb at comcast.net (Terry Brown)
Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2017 15:38:49 -0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Correction: Icom AH-4 Universal Interface with KX3
Message-ID: <000001d2f8c9$7651c130$62f54390$@comcast.net>

I need to correct one thing.  I checked everything again and found that when
I put TUN PWR to 10 watts, when I press the TUNE button, at 5.8:1 SWR, the
output power shows 4.4 W, not 10.  This tells me that I may not be putting
out enough power to make the circuit work.  Any suggestions?

 

Thanks,

 

Terry

 


From dick at elecraft.com  Sun Jul  9 14:51:02 2017
From: dick at elecraft.com (Dick Dievendorff)
Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2017 11:51:02 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] I wrote wrong...I meant KAT500
In-Reply-To: <BY2PR02MB13808A2D97DBAEFF2CD30753F8A80@BY2PR02MB1380.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
References: <BY2PR02MB13808A2D97DBAEFF2CD30753F8A80@BY2PR02MB1380.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <000b01d2f8e4$50a4df60$f1ee9e20$@elecraft.com>

I don't find w4rt.com active on the web, either.

Look for an LDG IC-PAC or LDG IC-PAC6. I found several dealers on the web
when I googled for "LDG IC-PAC". 

I've never used this cable, but it looks very similar to the W4RT cable that
I do have.

It's a simple cable, but you need the appropriate 4-pin Molex connector.

I'll order one myself for KPA1500 testing!  

73 de Dick, K6KR


-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net
[mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of JORGE LUIS SERRANO
Sent: Saturday, July 8, 2017 19:44
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] I wrote wrong...I meant KAT500

I just wrote Cable from Icom IC-7300 to KPA500

But..I meant to antenna Tuner KAT500

I know its a Molex connector to  1/8 " connector

Problem is I live at Venezuela..Here  Its difficult to find those connectors
to make The cable...and its easiest for me to buy cable and import it


Best Regards and 73's

George
YV5WZ / PY3ZZZ

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From nr4c at widomaker.com  Sun Jul  9 17:03:00 2017
From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c)
Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2017 17:03:00 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] I wrote wrong...I meant KAT500
In-Reply-To: <000b01d2f8e4$50a4df60$f1ee9e20$@elecraft.com>
References: <BY2PR02MB13808A2D97DBAEFF2CD30753F8A80@BY2PR02MB1380.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
	<000b01d2f8e4$50a4df60$f1ee9e20$@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <FAA93087-9CA2-440E-A158-B34D59DF6A24@widomaker.com>

I used to buy that Molex connector from Radio Shack but had to buy both male and female parts. Radio Shack put male pins in female housing and reverse. 

Don't know if any RS follow on stores carry it. 

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill


> On Jul 9, 2017, at 2:51 PM, Dick Dievendorff <dick at elecraft.com> wrote:
> 
> I don't find w4rt.com active on the web, either.
> 
> Look for an LDG IC-PAC or LDG IC-PAC6. I found several dealers on the web
> when I googled for "LDG IC-PAC". 
> 
> I've never used this cable, but it looks very similar to the W4RT cable that
> I do have.
> 
> It's a simple cable, but you need the appropriate 4-pin Molex connector.
> 
> I'll order one myself for KPA1500 testing!  
> 
> 73 de Dick, K6KR
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net
> [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of JORGE LUIS SERRANO
> Sent: Saturday, July 8, 2017 19:44
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [Elecraft] I wrote wrong...I meant KAT500
> 
> I just wrote Cable from Icom IC-7300 to KPA500
> 
> But..I meant to antenna Tuner KAT500
> 
> I know its a Molex connector to  1/8 " connector
> 
> Problem is I live at Venezuela..Here  Its difficult to find those connectors
> to make The cable...and its easiest for me to buy cable and import it
> 
> 
> Best Regards and 73's
> 
> George
> YV5WZ / PY3ZZZ
> 
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From frantz at pwpconsult.com  Sun Jul  9 17:44:38 2017
From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz)
Date: Sun,  9 Jul 2017 14:44:38 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] I wrote wrong...I meant KAT500
In-Reply-To: <FAA93087-9CA2-440E-A158-B34D59DF6A24@widomaker.com>
Message-ID: <r470Ps-10125i-1F4B91AF2587443EAF4DA2D8755A50CF@Williams-MacBook-Pro.local>

On 7/9/17 at 2:03 PM, nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c) wrote:

>I used to buy that Molex connector from Radio Shack but had to 
>buy both male and female parts. Radio Shack put male pins in 
>female housing and reverse.

If it is the same plug as is used on the Little Tar Heel Antenna 
control cable, it is:

<http://www.jameco.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?search_type=jamecoall&catalogId=10001&freeText=224514&langId=-1&productId=224514&storeId=10001&ddkey=http%3AStoreCatalogDrillDownView>

or

<http://www.jameco.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?search_type=jamecoall&catalogId=10001&freeText=224434&langId=-1&productId=224434&storeId=10001&ddkey=http%3AStoreCatalogDrillDownView>

Which may be the same as:

<https://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/molex-llc/1501792040/WM16558-ND/7062986>

For the Little Tar Heel, the pins are .062:, 1.57mm in diameter.

Since it took me a long time to figure out how these connectors 
worked, here is what I have learned.

The connectors consist of a male and female shell with 4 metal 
pins each. The pins are also male and female. You order the pins 
separately from the shells. There is a handy tool for removing 
the pins from the shells.

There are many different shells available, with different 
numbers and arrangements of pins. There are other series of 
connectors using different sizes of pins. (A larger pin is used 
for the power connector on Icom/Kenwood/etc. radios. Getting it 
all right before you order is a bit of chore.

73 Bill AE6JV

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From jimk0xu at gmail.com  Sun Jul  9 20:26:57 2017
From: jimk0xu at gmail.com (Jim Rhodes)
Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2017 19:26:57 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Remote Power On/Off
In-Reply-To: <CAC7p0MSFA67cQtCPq+efYy-rQ-9i56tk7xvyowJq8KVKDzxw6A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAC7p0MSFA67cQtCPq+efYy-rQ-9i56tk7xvyowJq8KVKDzxw6A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CALhxr4Z2wxioqKEko9RGMxzgpfir75KTzdJ2u-Tzpu0C6VSSXQ@mail.gmail.com>

Partly correct. Pressing the power button to turn off initiates a shutdown
procedure. Pin 8 is only grounded momentarily when you power on and does
not stay grounded while powered up. Powering down by simply removing power
is not recommended.

Jim Rhodes
K0XU

On Jul 9, 2017 08:42, "Carl Ferguson" <carleferguson at gmail.com> wrote:

> I frequently operate remote.  I am new to the K3.
>
> I interpret the manual to say to
>
> To turn the radio back on after my control program sends a PS0; command to
> power off
>
>    - turn on the DC power supply (this DC supply operates equipment in
>    addition to the K3 and must be turned off when the station is shutdown)
>    - ground ACC Pin 8
>
> To turn the radio off
>
>    - send the PS0; command
>    - open ACC Pin 8
>    - turn off the DC power supply
>
> I infer from this sequence that pressing the Power button to turn on the K3
> effectively grounds ACC pin 8.
>
> Conversely, pressing the Power button to turn off the K3, opens ACC Pin 8.
>
> Is this correct?
>
> Thank you.
>
> Carl
> W4UOA
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From petern60 at shaw.ca  Mon Jul 10 01:49:25 2017
From: petern60 at shaw.ca (PETER NORRIS)
Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2017 23:49:25 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 ATU wattage
Message-ID: <E45A9D92-AEA5-419E-B87C-E816708A414F@shaw.ca>


Sorry if this is a dumb question, when I hit the ATU button it shows 3 watts while it is tuning.

Does this mean my antenna is sucking up 3 of my 10 watts due to it being a multi band effort?

Thanks, 

Peter, VA7PMN
Sent from my iPad

From wunder at wunderwood.org  Mon Jul 10 02:00:04 2017
From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood)
Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2017 23:00:04 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 ATU wattage
In-Reply-To: <E45A9D92-AEA5-419E-B87C-E816708A414F@shaw.ca>
References: <E45A9D92-AEA5-419E-B87C-E816708A414F@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <70D3081E-79F8-478B-BCAD-A957E1060653@wunderwood.org>

No, it sets the transmitter to 3 W for tuning. After ATU TUNE, it goes back to the power you have set.

wunder
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> On Jul 9, 2017, at 10:49 PM, PETER NORRIS <petern60 at shaw.ca> wrote:
> 
> 
> Sorry if this is a dumb question, when I hit the ATU button it shows 3 watts while it is tuning.
> 
> Does this mean my antenna is sucking up 3 of my 10 watts due to it being a multi band effort?
> 
> Thanks, 
> 
> Peter, VA7PMN
> Sent from my iPad
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From kb2m at arrl.net  Mon Jul 10 07:10:43 2017
From: kb2m at arrl.net (Jeff Griffin)
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2017 07:10:43 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] I wrote wrong...I meant KAT500
In-Reply-To: <FAA93087-9CA2-440E-A158-B34D59DF6A24@widomaker.com>
References: <BY2PR02MB13808A2D97DBAEFF2CD30753F8A80@BY2PR02MB1380.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>	<000b01d2f8e4$50a4df60$f1ee9e20$@elecraft.com>
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I was getting tired of this thread so I googled 'icom tuner molex
connector', and the first hit's got me these... :-)

https://www.amazon.com/Molex-4-Pin-Connector-0-093-quot/dp/B0009WBHLK

http://www.ebay.com/itm/4-PIN-MOLEX-PER-TUNER-ICOM-IC-706-IC-7000-IC-746-IC-
756-/171128024903

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Molex-Icom-IC-7xx-IC-7000-Tuner-connector-wired-plug
-/162387494479

The third one has the wires already installed, I'm sure you could find it at
Digikey from here a little cheaper as the dimensions are mentioned in one of
the hits I got...

73 Jeff kb2m


-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net
[mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Nr4c
Sent: Sunday, July 9, 2017 5:03 PM
To: Dick Dievendorff
Cc: JORGE LUIS SERRANO; elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] I wrote wrong...I meant KAT500

I used to buy that Molex connector from Radio Shack but had to buy both male
and female parts. Radio Shack put male pins in female housing and reverse. 

Don't know if any RS follow on stores carry it. 

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill


> On Jul 9, 2017, at 2:51 PM, Dick Dievendorff <dick at elecraft.com> wrote:
> 
> I don't find w4rt.com active on the web, either.
> 
> Look for an LDG IC-PAC or LDG IC-PAC6. I found several dealers on the 
> web when I googled for "LDG IC-PAC".
> 
> I've never used this cable, but it looks very similar to the W4RT 
> cable that I do have.
> 
> It's a simple cable, but you need the appropriate 4-pin Molex connector.
> 
> I'll order one myself for KPA1500 testing!  
> 
> 73 de Dick, K6KR
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net 
> [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of JORGE LUIS 
> SERRANO
> Sent: Saturday, July 8, 2017 19:44
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [Elecraft] I wrote wrong...I meant KAT500
> 
> I just wrote Cable from Icom IC-7300 to KPA500
> 
> But..I meant to antenna Tuner KAT500
> 
> I know its a Molex connector to  1/8 " connector
> 
> Problem is I live at Venezuela..Here  Its difficult to find those 
> connectors to make The cable...and its easiest for me to buy cable and 
> import it
> 
> 
> Best Regards and 73's
> 
> George
> YV5WZ / PY3ZZZ
> 
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From indians at xsmail.com  Mon Jul 10 07:24:48 2017
From: indians at xsmail.com (Petr, OK1RP/M0SIS)
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2017 04:24:48 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] WTB: KAT500
In-Reply-To: <1498032530745-7631959.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1498032530745-7631959.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <1499685888279-7632374.post@n2.nabble.com>

Hi all,

just to let you know that KAT500 arrived to my home today finally.
So my WTB is no more valid...
Many thanks for offers and tips as same as all emails regarding that.
I am happy!

Best 73 and CU on the air.
73 - Petr, OK1RP



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From kb2m at arrl.net  Mon Jul 10 07:29:57 2017
From: kb2m at arrl.net (Jeff Griffin)
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2017 07:29:57 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] molex 1490prt icom tuner connector
In-Reply-To: <037b01d2f96d$2cd9abe0$868d03a0$@net>
References: <BY2PR02MB13808A2D97DBAEFF2CD30753F8A80@BY2PR02MB1380.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>	<000b01d2f8e4$50a4df60$f1ee9e20$@elecraft.com>	<FAA93087-9CA2-440E-A158-B34D59DF6A24@widomaker.com>
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Message-ID: <039401d2f96f$dca172e0$95e458a0$@net>

Even better look for molex 1490prt....

https://octopart.com/1490prt-molex-4054202

73 Jeff kb2m

-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net
[mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jeff Griffin
Sent: Monday, July 10, 2017 7:11 AM
Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] I wrote wrong...I meant KAT500

I was getting tired of this thread so I googled 'icom tuner molex
connector', and the first hit's got me these... :-)

https://www.amazon.com/Molex-4-Pin-Connector-0-093-quot/dp/B0009WBHLK

http://www.ebay.com/itm/4-PIN-MOLEX-PER-TUNER-ICOM-IC-706-IC-7000-IC-746-IC-
756-/171128024903

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Molex-Icom-IC-7xx-IC-7000-Tuner-connector-wired-plug
-/162387494479

The third one has the wires already installed, I'm sure you could find it at
Digikey from here a little cheaper as the dimensions are mentioned in one of
the hits I got...

73 Jeff kb2m


-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net
[mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Nr4c
Sent: Sunday, July 9, 2017 5:03 PM
To: Dick Dievendorff
Cc: JORGE LUIS SERRANO; elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] I wrote wrong...I meant KAT500

I used to buy that Molex connector from Radio Shack but had to buy both male
and female parts. Radio Shack put male pins in female housing and reverse. 

Don't know if any RS follow on stores carry it. 

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill


> On Jul 9, 2017, at 2:51 PM, Dick Dievendorff <dick at elecraft.com> wrote:
> 
> I don't find w4rt.com active on the web, either.
> 
> Look for an LDG IC-PAC or LDG IC-PAC6. I found several dealers on the 
> web when I googled for "LDG IC-PAC".
> 
> I've never used this cable, but it looks very similar to the W4RT 
> cable that I do have.
> 
> It's a simple cable, but you need the appropriate 4-pin Molex connector.
> 
> I'll order one myself for KPA1500 testing!  
> 
> 73 de Dick, K6KR
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net 
> [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of JORGE LUIS 
> SERRANO
> Sent: Saturday, July 8, 2017 19:44
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [Elecraft] I wrote wrong...I meant KAT500
> 
> I just wrote Cable from Icom IC-7300 to KPA500
> 
> But..I meant to antenna Tuner KAT500
> 
> I know its a Molex connector to  1/8 " connector
> 
> Problem is I live at Venezuela..Here  Its difficult to find those 
> connectors to make The cable...and its easiest for me to buy cable and 
> import it
> 
> 
> Best Regards and 73's
> 
> George
> YV5WZ / PY3ZZZ
> 
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From KX3.1 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com  Mon Jul 10 13:28:51 2017
From: KX3.1 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com (Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT)
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2017 10:28:51 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Car-Starter battery packs
In-Reply-To: <DM5PR03MB27163C44759D7EAC0E54931C8EAB0@DM5PR03MB2716.namprd03.prod.outlook.com>
References: <004401d2f7fe$e89af930$b9d0eb90$@erols.com>
	<e5e7a14e-9719-c2f1-1253-84452f3dcf0a@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com>
	<DM5PR03MB27163C44759D7EAC0E54931C8EAB0@DM5PR03MB2716.namprd03.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <d097c3f3-6ef7-b446-65ce-5df5b74f333b@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com>

Did a little research: the Emergency Car Starters are LiPo batteries.

On 7/8/2017 3:30 PM, Eric J wrote:
> I used LiPo batteries I bought for RC electric planes to power my K1 and
> K2/10 tied to a 50W HiPacker Amp with no issues at all. They were meant
> to deliver very high current (40A) for relatively short duration (about
> 15 minutes or less), but some of them lasted for 5 years powering the
> Elecraft rigs for several days of CW operation. I recharged them with
> the same charger I always used with them.

From ctate at ewnetinc.com  Mon Jul 10 14:00:41 2017
From: ctate at ewnetinc.com (Chris Tate - N6WM)
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2017 18:00:41 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] my KX2 experience and a minor structural issue
Message-ID: <236350B81BC09D42B8C3B41A97C654DD1E185BC0@AUSP01DAG0504.collaborationhost.net>

Last week I was on holiday on Oahu with my wife and kids. I brought my KX2 with me and was fortunate to hook up with a couple of fellow contesters, Eran WH6R and Kimo KH7U and Rob KH6/W7NX.

Rob was kind enough to provide me a 33 foot fiberglass mast, with a half wave wire for 20m to set up on Kailua beach facing the mainland US.

I was absolutely blown away by the effectiveness of this little KX2 paired with this antenna, and I made contacts all over the world from Hawaii, and was spotted on RBN all over the US with great sigs.  I worked lots of folks.

My assesment--
KX2 paired with an effective radiator makes for a super fun QRP experience.  the radio performed great!  a fantastic way to bring radio along wherever and whenever..  

My discovery..   A minor structural problem but one that Elecraft may want to investigate 

As a long time Elecrafter, I have never posted anything critical on elecraft equipment, but I did run into a small problem with this unit.  I was on a windy beach, and the fine sand seems to have gotten into the KX2 via a gap in the front plastic display cover that will require me to disassemble to clean up.  Since the KX2 is designed for ultra portability, I would suggest that some sort of gasket to seal the front of the unit may really help in situations like this.  I suppose I could design one myself out of some thin rubber or foam, but wanted to share  in the event the team may want to modify it slightly.  Visually looking at the plastic  upon return, I clearly notice a gap.   This could be avoided with some sort of seal.

JM2C.

Thanks Elecraft for making this rig, I love it.. and plan many more outings.  And to fellow KX2/KX3 owners, I highly recommend the experience of the Half wave vertical in proximity to Salt water for an amazing qrp experience.  I hope I can figure a way to keep more of the sand and dust out of the rig in the future via some sort of gasket or seal.

Mahalo
Chris
N6WM/KH6

From lenecee at ca.rr.com  Mon Jul 10 14:17:14 2017
From: lenecee at ca.rr.com (Len Chesler home email)
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2017 11:17:14 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KXPA100/AT has been sold
Message-ID: <4C0096D8-7DB5-4869-ADB9-2E86AB26F8A4@ca.rr.com>

Thank you
Len, K6LEN

From na5n at zianet.com  Mon Jul 10 14:31:48 2017
From: na5n at zianet.com (na5n at zianet.com)
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2017 12:31:48 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] my KX2 experience and a minor structural issue
In-Reply-To: <236350B81BC09D42B8C3B41A97C654DD1E185BC0@AUSP01DAG0504.collaborationhost.net>
References: <236350B81BC09D42B8C3B41A97C654DD1E185BC0@AUSP01DAG0504.collaborationhost.net>
Message-ID: <20170710183148.9698.qmail@modulo.zianet.com>

Chris Tate - N6WM writes:
> I was on a windy beach, and the fine sand seems to have gotten into the KX2 via a gap in the front plastic display cover that will require me to disassemble to clean up. 

I used my KX2 and a tuned inverted vee for the NM QSO Party, setup portable  
on a county line in the NM desert.  The wind was awful that day, 35+ mph.   
I experienced the same - noticed dust and grit inside the plastic display  
cover when I got home.  I had not experienced that before on my other  
portable operations.  Fortunately, the cover was easy to remove to clean  
(thanks Elecraft for putting the mounting screws on the OUTSIDE of the  
rig!).  Your idea of a small gasket is a good one.

I also agree with you on the KX2 performance.  I've used mine for the  
above, QRPTTF, and a couple other outings and had no problem working coast- 
to-coast from NM with a tuned antenna.  I know that's hard to do for many  
SOTA type operations and the ATU does a great job for good performance on  
certain types of antennas.  But, using a tuned antenna does take the KX2 up  
a notch, in my opinion.

When in the submarine service years ago, stationed at Pearl Harbor, I  
participated in a couple of Field Days.  We struggled to work the mainland  
with 100W (especially at night on 40M).  Vacuum tube gear in those days.   
The difference today with QRP is the huge leap in receiver technology, such  
as seen with the SDR in the KX2.

GL getting yours cleaned.  Clean clear plastic with a moist rag, then buff  
clean to avoid scratches.

72, Paul NA5N

From wunder at wunderwood.org  Mon Jul 10 14:36:44 2017
From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood)
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2017 11:36:44 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] my KX2 experience and a minor structural issue
In-Reply-To: <20170710183148.9698.qmail@modulo.zianet.com>
References: <236350B81BC09D42B8C3B41A97C654DD1E185BC0@AUSP01DAG0504.collaborationhost.net>
	<20170710183148.9698.qmail@modulo.zianet.com>
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> On Jul 10, 2017, at 11:31 AM, na5n at zianet.com wrote:
> 
> GL getting yours cleaned.  Clean clear plastic with a moist rag, then buff clean to avoid scratches.

With sand, I would not use a rag. Flush under running water until clean, then dry off gently.

wunder
K6WRU
Walter Underwood
CM87wj
http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog)


From ctate at ewnetinc.com  Mon Jul 10 14:43:00 2017
From: ctate at ewnetinc.com (Chris Tate - N6WM)
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2017 18:43:00 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] my KX2 experience and a minor structural issue
In-Reply-To: <EAEDD8DC-4F70-463C-AFDC-5D8B84308370@wunderwood.org>
References: <236350B81BC09D42B8C3B41A97C654DD1E185BC0@AUSP01DAG0504.collaborationhost.net>
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	<EAEDD8DC-4F70-463C-AFDC-5D8B84308370@wunderwood.org>
Message-ID: <AD217B0D-DCF9-40EF-B9E6-AA2307B80BB6@ewnetinc.com>

I'm planning on removing the lens and vacuum out the radio, in particular the LCD, and will carefully blow off then use screen cleaner on the plastic.  But a lot of this can be avoided with a simple gasket filling the lens gap.

Thanks
~C.

On Jul 10, 2017, at 11:36 AM, Walter Underwood <wunder at wunderwood.org> wrote:

>> On Jul 10, 2017, at 11:31 AM, na5n at zianet.com wrote:
>> 
>> GL getting yours cleaned.  Clean clear plastic with a moist rag, then buff clean to avoid scratches.
> 
> With sand, I would not use a rag. Flush under running water until clean, then dry off gently.
> 
> wunder
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From na5n at zianet.com  Mon Jul 10 14:56:46 2017
From: na5n at zianet.com (na5n at zianet.com)
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2017 12:56:46 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] my KX2 experience and a minor structural issue
In-Reply-To: <EAEDD8DC-4F70-463C-AFDC-5D8B84308370@wunderwood.org>
References: <236350B81BC09D42B8C3B41A97C654DD1E185BC0@AUSP01DAG0504.collaborationhost.net>
	<20170710183148.9698.qmail@modulo.zianet.com>
	<EAEDD8DC-4F70-463C-AFDC-5D8B84308370@wunderwood.org>
Message-ID: <20170710185646.15293.qmail@modulo.zianet.com>

Walter Underwood writes:

> With sand, I would not use a rag. Flush under running water until clean, then dry off gently.

Actually, that's how I did it.  You verbalized it better than me.  The  
point is, wiping off sand and grit on plastic with a dry rag is guaranteed  
to cause scratches.  Let water do the work; avoid soaps and harsh cleaning  
agents.

72, Paul NA5N

From greg7412 at gmail.com  Mon Jul 10 14:50:15 2017
From: greg7412 at gmail.com (Greg Leber)
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2017 13:50:15 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] For Sale
Message-ID: <CAHatCJGjvSTAtAi5fEE5vFns9S7TFZ6ixk4G+E5=yKe1LkvWVA@mail.gmail.com>

?Creative E-MU 0202 and LP-Pan unit.
Contact me off list at greg7412 at gmail.com

Greg (K9ON?)

From dl1sdz at gmail.com  Mon Jul 10 16:22:07 2017
From: dl1sdz at gmail.com (Hajo Dezelski)
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2017 22:22:07 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] my KX2 experience and a minor structural issue
In-Reply-To: <236350B81BC09D42B8C3B41A97C654DD1E185BC0@AUSP01DAG0504.collaborationhost.net>
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Hello Chris,

if your Kx2 is an early release, the plastic cover bends slightly after
some time and it is possible that dust comes on the display.

I contacted Elecraft and they sent me a slightly modified cover. Since then
no problems with the rig.

73 de

Hajo dl1sdz

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Am 10.07.2017 8:02 nachm. schrieb "Chris Tate - N6WM" <ctate at ewnetinc.com>:

> Last week I was on holiday on Oahu with my wife and kids. I brought my KX2
> with me and was fortunate to hook up with a couple of fellow contesters,
> Eran WH6R and Kimo KH7U and Rob KH6/W7NX.
>
> Rob was kind enough to provide me a 33 foot fiberglass mast, with a half
> wave wire for 20m to set up on Kailua beach facing the mainland US.
>
> I was absolutely blown away by the effectiveness of this little KX2 paired
> with this antenna, and I made contacts all over the world from Hawaii, and
> was spotted on RBN all over the US with great sigs.  I worked lots of folks.
>
> My assesment--
> KX2 paired with an effective radiator makes for a super fun QRP
> experience.  the radio performed great!  a fantastic way to bring radio
> along wherever and whenever..
>
> My discovery..   A minor structural problem but one that Elecraft may want
> to investigate
>
> As a long time Elecrafter, I have never posted anything critical on
> elecraft equipment, but I did run into a small problem with this unit.  I
> was on a windy beach, and the fine sand seems to have gotten into the KX2
> via a gap in the front plastic display cover that will require me to
> disassemble to clean up.  Since the KX2 is designed for ultra portability,
> I would suggest that some sort of gasket to seal the front of the unit may
> really help in situations like this.  I suppose I could design one myself
> out of some thin rubber or foam, but wanted to share  in the event the team
> may want to modify it slightly.  Visually looking at the plastic  upon
> return, I clearly notice a gap.   This could be avoided with some sort of
> seal.
>
> JM2C.
>
> Thanks Elecraft for making this rig, I love it.. and plan many more
> outings.  And to fellow KX2/KX3 owners, I highly recommend the experience
> of the Half wave vertical in proximity to Salt water for an amazing qrp
> experience.  I hope I can figure a way to keep more of the sand and dust
> out of the rig in the future via some sort of gasket or seal.
>
> Mahalo
> Chris
> N6WM/KH6
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From emoss98133 at msn.com  Mon Jul 10 16:38:19 2017
From: emoss98133 at msn.com (KD7PY)
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2017 13:38:19 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] my KX2 experience and a minor structural issue
In-Reply-To: <236350B81BC09D42B8C3B41A97C654DD1E185BC0@AUSP01DAG0504.collaborationhost.net>
References: <236350B81BC09D42B8C3B41A97C654DD1E185BC0@AUSP01DAG0504.collaborationhost.net>
Message-ID: <1499719099763-7632385.post@n2.nabble.com>

I use this to clean the display and lens..

https://www.amazon.com/Blower-Digital-Screens-Cleaning-Keyboards/dp/B00LV01BT2/ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&qid=1499718910&sr=8-7&keywords=camera+lens+brush


Ed   KD7PY



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From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Mon Jul 10 17:00:38 2017
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2017 16:00:38 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] my KX2 experience and a minor structural issue
In-Reply-To: <1499719099763-7632385.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <236350B81BC09D42B8C3B41A97C654DD1E185BC0@AUSP01DAG0504.collaborationhost.net>
	<1499719099763-7632385.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <1c09c2e7-aa9e-440d-d492-68122817cda8@blomand.net>

A drop or two of liquid dish washing detergent and soft cloth or rubbing 
with ones fingers works quite well.    A word of caution, NEVER wipe a 
dry plastic lens.   Any dust particle will most likely scratch the surface.


On 7/10/2017 3:38 PM, KD7PY wrote:
> I use this to clean the display and lens..
>
> https://www.amazon.com/Blower-Digital-Screens-Cleaning-Keyboards/dp/B00LV01BT2/ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&qid=1499718910&sr=8-7&keywords=camera+lens+brush
>
>
> Ed   KD7PY
>
>
>
> --
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From ctate at ewnetinc.com  Mon Jul 10 17:34:16 2017
From: ctate at ewnetinc.com (Chris Tate - N6WM)
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2017 21:34:16 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] my KX2 experience and a minor structural issue
In-Reply-To: <1c09c2e7-aa9e-440d-d492-68122817cda8@blomand.net>
References: <236350B81BC09D42B8C3B41A97C654DD1E185BC0@AUSP01DAG0504.collaborationhost.net>
	<1499719099763-7632385.post@n2.nabble.com>,
	<1c09c2e7-aa9e-440d-d492-68122817cda8@blomand.net>
Message-ID: <236350B81BC09D42B8C3B41A97C654DD1E187063@AUSP01DAG0504.collaborationhost.net>

Of course..  My bigger concern is the sand that squeaked through the opening in the plastic lens and the case..  and sand is in the lcd.. going to need to be verrrrry careful with that.
________________________________________
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] on behalf of Bob McGraw K4TAX [rmcgraw at blomand.net]
Sent: Monday, July 10, 2017 2:00 PM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] my KX2 experience and a minor structural issue

A drop or two of liquid dish washing detergent and soft cloth or rubbing
with ones fingers works quite well.    A word of caution, NEVER wipe a
dry plastic lens.   Any dust particle will most likely scratch the surface.


On 7/10/2017 3:38 PM, KD7PY wrote:
> I use this to clean the display and lens..
>
> https://www.amazon.com/Blower-Digital-Screens-Cleaning-Keyboards/dp/B00LV01BT2/ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&qid=1499718910&sr=8-7&keywords=camera+lens+brush
>
>
> Ed   KD7PY
>
>
>
> --
> View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/my-KX2-experience-and-a-minor-structural-issue-tp7632377p7632385.html
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From tomb18 at videotron.ca  Mon Jul 10 17:37:10 2017
From: tomb18 at videotron.ca (tomb18)
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2017 17:37:10 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] my KX2 experience and a minor structural issue
Message-ID: <787f6ba4d28bbaf7c9d59780b8c59d42@smtp.videotron.ca>

My tackle with reels is 7 lbs 9 Oz. All My clothes with my rainsuit is 18lbs.
We bring our own beer.?There's no way we will full the plane?


Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
-------- Original message --------From: Hajo Dezelski <dl1sdz at gmail.com> Date: 2017-07-10  4:22 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: Chris Tate - N6WM <ctate at ewnetinc.com> Cc: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] my KX2 experience and a minor structural issue 
Hello Chris,

if your Kx2 is an early release, the plastic cover bends slightly after
some time and it is possible that dust comes on the display.

I contacted Elecraft and they sent me a slightly modified cover. Since then
no problems with the rig.

73 de

Hajo dl1sdz

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Am 10.07.2017 8:02 nachm. schrieb "Chris Tate - N6WM" <ctate at ewnetinc.com>:

> Last week I was on holiday on Oahu with my wife and kids. I brought my KX2
> with me and was fortunate to hook up with a couple of fellow contesters,
> Eran WH6R and Kimo KH7U and Rob KH6/W7NX.
>
> Rob was kind enough to provide me a 33 foot fiberglass mast, with a half
> wave wire for 20m to set up on Kailua beach facing the mainland US.
>
> I was absolutely blown away by the effectiveness of this little KX2 paired
> with this antenna, and I made contacts all over the world from Hawaii, and
> was spotted on RBN all over the US with great sigs.? I worked lots of folks.
>
> My assesment--
> KX2 paired with an effective radiator makes for a super fun QRP
> experience.? the radio performed great!? a fantastic way to bring radio
> along wherever and whenever..
>
> My discovery..?? A minor structural problem but one that Elecraft may want
> to investigate
>
> As a long time Elecrafter, I have never posted anything critical on
> elecraft equipment, but I did run into a small problem with this unit.? I
> was on a windy beach, and the fine sand seems to have gotten into the KX2
> via a gap in the front plastic display cover that will require me to
> disassemble to clean up.? Since the KX2 is designed for ultra portability,
> I would suggest that some sort of gasket to seal the front of the unit may
> really help in situations like this.? I suppose I could design one myself
> out of some thin rubber or foam, but wanted to share? in the event the team
> may want to modify it slightly.? Visually looking at the plastic? upon
> return, I clearly notice a gap.?? This could be avoided with some sort of
> seal.
>
> JM2C.
>
> Thanks Elecraft for making this rig, I love it.. and plan many more
> outings.? And to fellow KX2/KX3 owners, I highly recommend the experience
> of the Half wave vertical in proximity to Salt water for an amazing qrp
> experience.? I hope I can figure a way to keep more of the sand and dust
> out of the rig in the future via some sort of gasket or seal.
>
> Mahalo
> Chris
> N6WM/KH6
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From ron at cobi.biz  Mon Jul 10 17:52:07 2017
From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire)
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2017 14:52:07 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] my KX2 experience and a minor structural issue
In-Reply-To: <236350B81BC09D42B8C3B41A97C654DD1E187063@AUSP01DAG0504.collaborationhost.net>
References: <236350B81BC09D42B8C3B41A97C654DD1E185BC0@AUSP01DAG0504.collaborationhost.net>	<1499719099763-7632385.post@n2.nabble.com>,
	<1c09c2e7-aa9e-440d-d492-68122817cda8@blomand.net>
	<236350B81BC09D42B8C3B41A97C654DD1E187063@AUSP01DAG0504.collaborationhost.net>
Message-ID: <001d01d2f9c6$c69d15b0$53d74110$@biz>

I keep an air duster handy to blow off the LCD and inside of the bezel just
before mounting it. 

I agree 100% with the liquid dish washing detergent suggestion to clean the
surfaces. It's what we recommend in the kit assembly manuals for all the
Elecraft rigs. 

However, never spray, dribble, etc., a soap mixture directly onto the LCD.
Wet a soft cloth with the mixture and wipe the surface with it just as you'd
clean a monitor screen. 

73, Ron AC7AC

-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net
[mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Chris Tate - N6WM
Sent: Monday, July 10, 2017 2:34 PM
To: Bob McGraw K4TAX; elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] my KX2 experience and a minor structural issue

Of course..  My bigger concern is the sand that squeaked through the opening
in the plastic lens and the case..  and sand is in the lcd.. going to need
to be verrrrry careful with that.
________________________________________
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] on
behalf of Bob McGraw K4TAX [rmcgraw at blomand.net]
Sent: Monday, July 10, 2017 2:00 PM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] my KX2 experience and a minor structural issue

A drop or two of liquid dish washing detergent and soft cloth or rubbing
with ones fingers works quite well.    A word of caution, NEVER wipe a
dry plastic lens.   Any dust particle will most likely scratch the surface.


On 7/10/2017 3:38 PM, KD7PY wrote:
> I use this to clean the display and lens..
>
> https://www.amazon.com/Blower-Digital-Screens-Cleaning-Keyboards/dp/B0
> 0LV01BT2/ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&qid=1499718910&sr=8-7&keywords=camera+lens
> +brush
>
>
> Ed   KD7PY
>
>
>
> --
> View this message in context: 
> http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/my-KX2-experience-and-a-minor-str
> uctural-issue-tp7632377p7632385.html
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From ron at cobi.biz  Mon Jul 10 18:00:21 2017
From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire)
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2017 15:00:21 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] my KX2 experience and a minor structural issue
In-Reply-To: <20170710185646.15293.qmail@modulo.zianet.com>
References: <236350B81BC09D42B8C3B41A97C654DD1E185BC0@AUSP01DAG0504.collaborationhost.net>	<20170710183148.9698.qmail@modulo.zianet.com>	<EAEDD8DC-4F70-463C-AFDC-5D8B84308370@wunderwood.org>
	<20170710185646.15293.qmail@modulo.zianet.com>
Message-ID: <001e01d2f9c7$ed955280$c8bff780$@biz>

There is nothing wrong with immersing the plastic bezel in a dish of soapy
water. Just be sure it's a liquid soap in the water and not a scouring
cleanser. 

After washing, using my fingers to gently rub the bezel in the soapy water,
I lay the bezel on a soft terrycloth towel or even a paper towel and pat it
dry. 

Then, while assembling, I use an air duster to blow off any bits that
accumulate on the inside of the bezel or LCD when mounting the bezel. 

If you do end up with a scratch on the bezel, use any of the acrylic
polishes commonly available. Most automotive stores sell it to clear the
lenses on automobile head and tail lights. A lot of wear and heavy scratches
can be polished away very easily with that stuff. 

Many airport shops that sell supplies also carry it for polishing aircraft
windscreens that become pitted and scratched over time. 

73, Ron AC7AC



-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net
[mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of na5n at zianet.com
Sent: Monday, July 10, 2017 11:57 AM
To: Walter Underwood
Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] my KX2 experience and a minor structural issue

Walter Underwood writes:

> With sand, I would not use a rag. Flush under running water until clean,
then dry off gently.

Actually, that's how I did it.  You verbalized it better than me.  The point
is, wiping off sand and grit on plastic with a dry rag is guaranteed to
cause scratches.  Let water do the work; avoid soaps and harsh cleaning
agents.

72, Paul NA5N


From tomb18 at videotron.ca  Mon Jul 10 20:01:34 2017
From: tomb18 at videotron.ca (tomb18)
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2017 20:01:34 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] my KX2 experience and a minor structural issue
Message-ID: <e1b03fe56f2ff897461ef41d8218719e@smtp.videotron.ca>

Oops....?


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-------- Original message --------From: tomb18 <tomb18 at videotron.ca> Date: 2017-07-10  5:37 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: Hajo Dezelski <dl1sdz at gmail.com>, Chris Tate - N6WM <ctate at ewnetinc.com> Cc: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] my KX2 experience and a minor structural issue 
My tackle with reels is 7 lbs 9 Oz. All My clothes with my rainsuit is 18lbs.
We bring our own beer.?There's no way we will full the plane?


Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
-------- Original message --------From: Hajo Dezelski <dl1sdz at gmail.com> Date: 2017-07-10? 4:22 PM? (GMT-05:00) To: Chris Tate - N6WM <ctate at ewnetinc.com> Cc: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] my KX2 experience and a minor structural issue 
Hello Chris,

if your Kx2 is an early release, the plastic cover bends slightly after
some time and it is possible that dust comes on the display.

I contacted Elecraft and they sent me a slightly modified cover. Since then
no problems with the rig.

73 de

Hajo dl1sdz

---
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http://hajos-kontrapunkte.blogspot.de/



Am 10.07.2017 8:02 nachm. schrieb "Chris Tate - N6WM" <ctate at ewnetinc.com>:

> Last week I was on holiday on Oahu with my wife and kids. I brought my KX2
> with me and was fortunate to hook up with a couple of fellow contesters,
> Eran WH6R and Kimo KH7U and Rob KH6/W7NX.
>
> Rob was kind enough to provide me a 33 foot fiberglass mast, with a half
> wave wire for 20m to set up on Kailua beach facing the mainland US.
>
> I was absolutely blown away by the effectiveness of this little KX2 paired
> with this antenna, and I made contacts all over the world from Hawaii, and
> was spotted on RBN all over the US with great sigs.? I worked lots of folks.
>
> My assesment--
> KX2 paired with an effective radiator makes for a super fun QRP
> experience.? the radio performed great!? a fantastic way to bring radio
> along wherever and whenever..
>
> My discovery..?? A minor structural problem but one that Elecraft may want
> to investigate
>
> As a long time Elecrafter, I have never posted anything critical on
> elecraft equipment, but I did run into a small problem with this unit.? I
> was on a windy beach, and the fine sand seems to have gotten into the KX2
> via a gap in the front plastic display cover that will require me to
> disassemble to clean up.? Since the KX2 is designed for ultra portability,
> I would suggest that some sort of gasket to seal the front of the unit may
> really help in situations like this.? I suppose I could design one myself
> out of some thin rubber or foam, but wanted to share? in the event the team
> may want to modify it slightly.? Visually looking at the plastic? upon
> return, I clearly notice a gap.?? This could be avoided with some sort of
> seal.
>
> JM2C.
>
> Thanks Elecraft for making this rig, I love it.. and plan many more
> outings.? And to fellow KX2/KX3 owners, I highly recommend the experience
> of the Half wave vertical in proximity to Salt water for an amazing qrp
> experience.? I hope I can figure a way to keep more of the sand and dust
> out of the rig in the future via some sort of gasket or seal.
>
> Mahalo
> Chris
> N6WM/KH6
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From iwesterl at bigpond.net.au  Tue Jul 11 05:18:53 2017
From: iwesterl at bigpond.net.au (Ian Westerland)
Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2017 19:18:53 +1000
Subject: [Elecraft] DC power cable for K3
Message-ID: <6086c9a3-3a27-af8e-6421-cb9412a2f761@bigpond.net.au>

Hello.
I need a new DC cable to connect my K3 to a 12 Valt battery.  The cable 
needs to be fully assembled.  Could someone please tell me the part 
number or if someone has one spare, I am happy to buy it from you.

Looking forward to hearing.


Ian,   VK3vin




From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Tue Jul 11 07:59:41 2017
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2017 07:59:41 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] DC power cable for K3
In-Reply-To: <6086c9a3-3a27-af8e-6421-cb9412a2f761@bigpond.net.au>
References: <6086c9a3-3a27-af8e-6421-cb9412a2f761@bigpond.net.au>
Message-ID: <e45cba92-8719-953a-5b6d-4da30d7ec797@embarqmail.com>

Ian,

The power cable is KPCA-F which has an APP connector on one end and 
terminal lugs on the other.  You may order it from Elecraft.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 7/11/2017 5:18 AM, Ian Westerland wrote:
> Hello.
> I need a new DC cable to connect my K3 to a 12 Valt battery.  The cable 
> needs to be fully assembled.  Could someone please tell me the part 
> number or if someone has one spare, I am happy to buy it from you.

From mpaley at woh.rr.com  Tue Jul 11 08:18:48 2017
From: mpaley at woh.rr.com (Mark Paley)
Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2017 12:18:48 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] K-2
Message-ID: <eb697019-0dbb-cdc6-0a78-2d0ca67131a8@woh.rr.com>

Looking to buy a K-2 10W version...what's out there?

Mark--K8LD


From ve3ijf at gmail.com  Tue Jul 11 17:17:50 2017
From: ve3ijf at gmail.com (Ian J. Fletcher)
Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2017 17:17:50 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 and Heil PR 10 set
Message-ID: <2644B0AF-9F4F-4257-8BD0-9EACFC36FBBD@gmail.com>

Can anyone point me to any resources online for connecting a Heil PR 10 set to an Elecraft KX3. Wiring diagram, settings or even commercially available cables. Thanks. 

From markmusick at sbcglobal.net  Wed Jul 12 08:50:09 2017
From: markmusick at sbcglobal.net (Mark E. Musick)
Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2017 12:50:09 -0000
Subject: [Elecraft] K3/K3S 1.5 kHz INRAD Roofing Filters For Sale
Message-ID: <001301d2fb0d$65bf2ce0$313d86a0$@sbcglobal.net>

Hello Elecrafters,

 

I have two INRAD #727 1.5 kHZ SSB 8 Pole K3/K3S roofing filters for sale.

They list for $143.50. I'll sell them for $90.00 each or $175.00 for both.

I'll ship them USPS Priority anywhere in the USA.

PayPal is the preferred method of payment.

If interested, contact me at markmusick at sbcglobal.net
<mailto:markmusick at sbcglobal.net> 

 

73,

Mark Musick, WB9CIF

 


From wb5tuf at comcast.net  Wed Jul 12 19:17:54 2017
From: wb5tuf at comcast.net (Glenn Anderson)
Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2017 18:17:54 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] XV144 and RemoteRig For Sale
Message-ID: <005901d2fb65$1804c480$480e4d80$@comcast.net>

I have an XV144 with oven for sale. I built and tested it but decided to go
for the internal transverter instead.  $400.00

 

I also have the Remoterig RRIGSET with the RRMTCBL and RRK3CBL for sale. It
is new in box never used. $450.00

 

Please contact me directly at wb5tuf at comcast.net <mailto:wb5tuf at comcast.net>
.

 

Paypal accepted.

 

73,

 

Glenn WB5TUF


From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Wed Jul 12 22:30:39 2017
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2017 22:30:39 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Just a test
Message-ID: <50959150-b64c-c3d1-b3c6-de2290ca3eb8@embarqmail.com>

I have not seen many posts on the reflector in the last couple days.
Just wondering if everyone is on vacation or the reflector is not working.

73,
Don W3FPR

From eaopa at comcast.net  Wed Jul 12 22:37:36 2017
From: eaopa at comcast.net (Gene O)
Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2017 22:37:36 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Head phone/speaker question, time set
Message-ID: <d96d1596-5936-5169-3d65-399985b7b935@comcast.net>

I have been off the air for about 10 months and just now trying to set 
up my K3.  I have 2 Bose speakers wired to the K3, (stereo plug in the 
back of the K3).  When I plug headphones into the front panel shouldn't 
the speakers turn off? They stay on.

In the config menu I have the SPKR+PH option set to NO.  Also the SPKRS 
set to 2.

What am I missing?

One other question.  The time is now 02.32.  The time shown on the K3 is 
02.39.37.  I can change the 2 by turning the main VFO dial. How do I 
change the the other numbers?

I am missing something here also.

Thanks, Gene
W2BXR

From eaopa at comcast.net  Wed Jul 12 22:41:21 2017
From: eaopa at comcast.net (Gene O)
Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2017 22:41:21 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: K3 --- Head phone/speaker question, time set
In-Reply-To: <d96d1596-5936-5169-3d65-399985b7b935@comcast.net>
References: <d96d1596-5936-5169-3d65-399985b7b935@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <2350ca18-5fe7-1c6b-c3c4-9a2daf30e6b1@comcast.net>

Just posted this question.  Did not have "K3" on the subject line.




I have been off the air for about 10 months and just now trying to set 
up my K3.  I have 2 Bose speakers wired to the K3, (stereo plug in the 
back of the K3).  When I plug headphones into the front panel shouldn't 
the speakers turn off?  They stay on.

In the config menu I have the SPKR+PH option set to NO.  Also the SPKRS 
set to 2.

What am I missing?

One other question.  The time is now 02.32.  The time shown on the K3 is 
02.39.37.  I can change the 2 by turning the main VFO dial.  How do I 
change the the other numbers?

I am missing something here also.

Thanks, Gene
W2BXR

From david at g4dmp.co.uk  Wed Jul 12 22:43:56 2017
From: david at g4dmp.co.uk (David Pratt)
Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2017 03:43:56 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] Just a test
In-Reply-To: <50959150-b64c-c3d1-b3c6-de2290ca3eb8@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <38ee131d-2601-4002-b2ae-b2599f48982c@email.android.com>


From mark at mlb.net  Wed Jul 12 23:43:20 2017
From: mark at mlb.net (Mark Bayern)
Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2017 22:43:20 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: K3 --- Head phone/speaker question, time set
In-Reply-To: <2350ca18-5fe7-1c6b-c3c4-9a2daf30e6b1@comcast.net>
References: <d96d1596-5936-5169-3d65-399985b7b935@comcast.net>
	<2350ca18-5fe7-1c6b-c3c4-9a2daf30e6b1@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <CAKOKdPKDm_yq3Kts7BdNFWFeJbyzMbaXaeY5Yb4=SMgge+FzKg@mail.gmail.com>

Looking at the K3 manual, I see: "You can plug in headphones and
speaker(s) at the same time, and hear audio in both, if you set
CONFIG:SPKR+PH to YES".

Sounds like it is working as expected.

Here is a link to the latest (K3S) manual. Look at page 22, and page
64 for some info on the SPKR+PH menu options.
<http://www.elecraft.com/manual/K3S%20Owner's%20man%20A1.pdf>

Mark  AD5SS





On Wed, Jul 12, 2017 at 9:41 PM, Gene O <eaopa at comcast.net> wrote:
> Just posted this question.  Did not have "K3" on the subject line.
>
>
>
>
> I have been off the air for about 10 months and just now trying to set up my
> K3.  I have 2 Bose speakers wired to the K3, (stereo plug in the back of the
> K3).  When I plug headphones into the front panel shouldn't the speakers
> turn off?  They stay on.
>
> In the config menu I have the SPKR+PH option set to NO.  Also the SPKRS set
> to 2.
>
> What am I missing?
>
> One other question.  The time is now 02.32.  The time shown on the K3 is
> 02.39.37.  I can change the 2 by turning the main VFO dial.  How do I change
> the the other numbers?
>
> I am missing something here also.
>
> Thanks, Gene
> W2BXR
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From phystad at mac.com  Thu Jul 13 01:55:34 2017
From: phystad at mac.com (Phil Hystad)
Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2017 22:55:34 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Using a KX2 with an SP3 external speaker ?
Message-ID: <66031FC6-D6ED-470C-B563-4C36A7A2C8B7@mac.com>

So far, I have mostly used my KX2 with headphones but I just acquired the KXPA100 100-watt amplifier so will be using the KX2 plus KXPA100 for a backup base station.  And, I think I want to use an external speaker.  Preferably my  Elecraft SP3.

I understand that the KX2 requires the Headphones output to be amplified for use with something like the SP3.  Has anyone built their own little audio amp or maybe just purchased one for using with the SP3?

Or, any other ideas would be welcome as well.

73, phil, K7PEH


From dave at ad6a.com  Thu Jul 13 02:40:59 2017
From: dave at ad6a.com (Dave AD6A)
Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2017 23:40:59 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Using a KX2 with an SP3 external speaker ?
In-Reply-To: <66031FC6-D6ED-470C-B563-4C36A7A2C8B7@mac.com>
References: <66031FC6-D6ED-470C-B563-4C36A7A2C8B7@mac.com>
Message-ID: <002e01d2fba3$00a52670$01ef7350$@ad6a.com>

Phil,

I use a little 7W mono amp from MCM electronics that gives plenty of punch
into a small comms speaker.
I've tried it with the SP3 also - works just fine. I also use one with my
KX3 on my 10/24GHz portable rig.

It's part number 809077 at MCM here
http://electronics.mcmelectronics.com/search?w=809077

73,Dave, AD6A

-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net
[mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Phil Hystad
Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2017 10:56 PM
To: elecraft <Elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: [Elecraft] Using a KX2 with an SP3 external speaker ?

So far, I have mostly used my KX2 with headphones but I just acquired the
KXPA100 100-watt amplifier so will be using the KX2 plus KXPA100 for a
backup base station.  And, I think I want to use an external speaker.
Preferably my  Elecraft SP3.

I understand that the KX2 requires the Headphones output to be amplified for
use with something like the SP3.  Has anyone built their own little audio
amp or maybe just purchased one for using with the SP3?

Or, any other ideas would be welcome as well.

73, phil, K7PEH

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From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Thu Jul 13 07:52:45 2017
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2017 07:52:45 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Using a KX2 with an SP3 external speaker ?
In-Reply-To: <66031FC6-D6ED-470C-B563-4C36A7A2C8B7@mac.com>
References: <66031FC6-D6ED-470C-B563-4C36A7A2C8B7@mac.com>
Message-ID: <8b2d8c30-e907-8f9b-d15f-63f228e3ffd4@embarqmail.com>

Phil,

I use the West Mountain Radio COMspkr.  They are modestly priced stereo 
speakers and are "RF proof".  The stereo pair allows listening to both 
sides when Dual RX is turned on and you are operating SPLIT.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 7/13/2017 1:55 AM, Phil Hystad wrote:
> So far, I have mostly used my KX2 with headphones but I just acquired the KXPA100 100-watt amplifier so will be using the KX2 plus KXPA100 for a backup base station.  And, I think I want to use an external speaker.  Preferably my  Elecraft SP3.
> 
> I understand that the KX2 requires the Headphones output to be amplified for use with something like the SP3.  Has anyone built their own little audio amp or maybe just purchased one for using with the SP3?
> 
> Or, any other ideas would be welcome as well.

From rstealey at hotmail.com  Thu Jul 13 08:05:41 2017
From: rstealey at hotmail.com (Rick Stealey)
Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2017 12:05:41 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Head phone/speaker question, time set
In-Reply-To: <d96d1596-5936-5169-3d65-399985b7b935@comcast.net>
References: <d96d1596-5936-5169-3d65-399985b7b935@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <DM5PR15MB1196104A2990923B311D23E7CEAC0@DM5PR15MB1196.namprd15.prod.outlook.com>

Gene, On the clock thing, tap 2 to change the minutes, 3 to change the seconds.

Rick  K2XT
________________________________
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> on behalf of Gene O <eaopa at comcast.net>
Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2017 2:37:36 AM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] Head phone/speaker question, time set

I have been off the air for about 10 months and just now trying to set
up my K3.  I have 2 Bose speakers wired to the K3, (stereo plug in the
back of the K3).  When I plug headphones into the front panel shouldn't
the speakers turn off? They stay on.

In the config menu I have the SPKR+PH option set to NO.  Also the SPKRS
set to 2.

What am I missing?

One other question.  The time is now 02.32.  The time shown on the K3 is
02.39.37.  I can change the 2 by turning the main VFO dial. How do I
change the the other numbers?

I am missing something here also.

Thanks, Gene
W2BXR
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From markmusick at sbcglobal.net  Thu Jul 13 09:42:29 2017
From: markmusick at sbcglobal.net (Mark E. Musick)
Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2017 13:42:29 -0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Head phone/speaker question, time set
In-Reply-To: <DM5PR15MB1196104A2990923B311D23E7CEAC0@DM5PR15MB1196.namprd15.prod.outlook.com>
References: <d96d1596-5936-5169-3d65-399985b7b935@comcast.net>
	<DM5PR15MB1196104A2990923B311D23E7CEAC0@DM5PR15MB1196.namprd15.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <003b01d2fbdd$dfd247d0$9f76d770$@sbcglobal.net>

You can use the K3 utility to set the clock.
Select the Configuration tab and there is a button at the bottom labeled
"Set K3 Date and Time".

Mark, WB9CIF

-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net
[mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Rick Stealey
Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2017 12:06 PM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Head phone/speaker question, time set

Gene, On the clock thing, tap 2 to change the minutes, 3 to change the
seconds.

Rick  K2XT
________________________________
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net <elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net> on
behalf of Gene O <eaopa at comcast.net>
Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2017 2:37:36 AM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] Head phone/speaker question, time set

I have been off the air for about 10 months and just now trying to set up my
K3.  I have 2 Bose speakers wired to the K3, (stereo plug in the back of the
K3).  When I plug headphones into the front panel shouldn't the speakers
turn off? They stay on.

In the config menu I have the SPKR+PH option set to NO.  Also the SPKRS set
to 2.

What am I missing?

One other question.  The time is now 02.32.  The time shown on the K3 is
02.39.37.  I can change the 2 by turning the main VFO dial. How do I change
the the other numbers?

I am missing something here also.

Thanks, Gene
W2BXR
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From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Thu Jul 13 09:54:14 2017
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2017 08:54:14 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Head phone/speaker question, time set
In-Reply-To: <003b01d2fbdd$dfd247d0$9f76d770$@sbcglobal.net>
References: <d96d1596-5936-5169-3d65-399985b7b935@comcast.net>
	<DM5PR15MB1196104A2990923B311D23E7CEAC0@DM5PR15MB1196.namprd15.prod.outlook.com>
	<003b01d2fbdd$dfd247d0$9f76d770$@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <c780c5e4-2063-3b56-095c-4aa0d9e0b8d0@blomand.net>

Just be sure your computer clock is updated before doing this. I use 
this method frequently by allowing the computer to automatically and 
electronically update to a time standard.  The Utility is free for 
download from the Elecraft website.

Also I use the utility to store the latest configuration.  This is good 
in case something gets messed up or "some friend" decides to turn knobs 
and push buttons.

73

Bob, K4TAX


On 7/13/2017 8:42 AM, Mark E. Musick wrote:
> You can use the K3 utility to set the clock.
> Select the Configuration tab and there is a button at the bottom labeled
> "Set K3 Date and Time".
>
>



From wunder at wunderwood.org  Thu Jul 13 10:24:46 2017
From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood)
Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2017 07:24:46 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Using a KX2 with an SP3 external speaker ?
In-Reply-To: <002e01d2fba3$00a52670$01ef7350$@ad6a.com>
References: <66031FC6-D6ED-470C-B563-4C36A7A2C8B7@mac.com>
	<002e01d2fba3$00a52670$01ef7350$@ad6a.com>
Message-ID: <C4334E0F-9474-42FA-AAB2-08308AB5FB8A@wunderwood.org>

I use a 15 W per channel amp that runs off of 12 V. It costs about $10 (price varies) from Amazon. I wrote it up on my blog.

https://observer.wunderwood.org/2017/03/04/speakers-for-my-elecraft-kx3/ <https://observer.wunderwood.org/2017/03/04/speakers-for-my-elecraft-kx3/>

This amp and the one Dave recommends are both built around a TDA audio amp IC.

wunder
K6WRU
Walter Underwood
CM87wj
http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog)

> On Jul 12, 2017, at 11:40 PM, Dave AD6A <dave at ad6a.com> wrote:
> 
> Phil,
> 
> I use a little 7W mono amp from MCM electronics that gives plenty of punch
> into a small comms speaker.
> I've tried it with the SP3 also - works just fine. I also use one with my
> KX3 on my 10/24GHz portable rig.
> 
> It's part number 809077 at MCM here
> http://electronics.mcmelectronics.com/search?w=809077
> 
> 73,Dave, AD6A
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net
> [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Phil Hystad
> Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2017 10:56 PM
> To: elecraft <Elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: [Elecraft] Using a KX2 with an SP3 external speaker ?
> 
> So far, I have mostly used my KX2 with headphones but I just acquired the
> KXPA100 100-watt amplifier so will be using the KX2 plus KXPA100 for a
> backup base station.  And, I think I want to use an external speaker.
> Preferably my  Elecraft SP3.
> 
> I understand that the KX2 requires the Headphones output to be amplified for
> use with something like the SP3.  Has anyone built their own little audio
> amp or maybe just purchased one for using with the SP3?
> 
> Or, any other ideas would be welcome as well.
> 
> 73, phil, K7PEH
> 
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From mpaley at woh.rr.com  Thu Jul 13 13:20:52 2017
From: mpaley at woh.rr.com (Mark Paley)
Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2017 17:20:52 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] no longer interested in buying a K-2
Message-ID: <2999edb1-ec48-3718-bab6-486d8aa39f79@woh.rr.com>

I managed to repair my Yaesu FT-747SX so I'm not needing a K-2. Thanks 
to all who replied.

Mark--K8LD--


From ab2tc at arrl.net  Thu Jul 13 13:52:57 2017
From: ab2tc at arrl.net (ab2tc)
Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2017 10:52:57 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] Just a test
In-Reply-To: <50959150-b64c-c3d1-b3c6-de2290ca3eb8@embarqmail.com>
References: <50959150-b64c-c3d1-b3c6-de2290ca3eb8@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <1499968377075-7632408.post@n2.nabble.com>

Hi Don,

It is indeed very quiet nut the reflector is working just fine. As you said,
it looks like everybody is on a vacation. State parks typically have no
Wi-Fi.

Knut


Don Wilhelm wrote
> I have not seen many posts on the reflector in the last couple days.
> Just wondering if everyone is on vacation or the reflector is not working.
> 
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
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From g3tct at g3tct.co.uk  Thu Jul 13 14:50:12 2017
From: g3tct at g3tct.co.uk (Graham Kimbell)
Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2017 19:50:12 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 with 2m tvtr - power control feature request
In-Reply-To: <907f6938-070c-7aa3-862f-5a23aa31419a@embarqmail.com>
References: <595E458A.5090409@g3tct.co.uk>
	<907f6938-070c-7aa3-862f-5a23aa31419a@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <5967C0E4.9060804@g3tct.co.uk>

Thanks to everyone who answered this both private and public. To recap, 
I'm using the internal 2m transverter K144XV and trying to reduce the 
output on 2m below 1W whilst keeping the max of 10W.  I conclude:

    * the 2m internal tvtr cannot be adjusted to produce both 10W out
      max and 1W out min
    * this is a generic issue, not specific to my K3, and not due to
      oscillation or other fault
    * it would be preferable to integrate the 2m tvtr and control it by
      measuring the power out as per other bands but this probably
      requires a hardware change
    * the issue has been around for a couple of years without resolution
    * users will have to find work-arounds, probably in external circuitry


Graham


From va2ew at videotron.ca  Thu Jul 13 18:31:52 2017
From: va2ew at videotron.ca (VA2EW)
Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2017 18:31:52 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Missing first piece of dash or dot when sending CW with
 K3S USB input with Wintest.
Message-ID: <c66e81ad-b699-8d60-23d5-0930796d5759@videotron.ca>

Hi all,

Last WE during the IARU HF I have tested the use of the USB input of the 
K3S in replacement of a RIGEXPERT TI-5 box.

Everything looked great until I experimented that sometimes randomly the 
beginning of the first dash or dot was missing when sending CW via 
Wintest under Windows 10.

I guess it is a real-time related problem with USB under Windows.

Is there someone who have a solution to fix that or must I come back to 
the RIGEXPERT or eventually add a Winkeyer ?

73,s

Gilles VA2EW



From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Thu Jul 13 18:46:34 2017
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2017 18:46:34 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Missing first piece of dash or dot when sending CW
 with K3S USB input with Wintest.
In-Reply-To: <c66e81ad-b699-8d60-23d5-0930796d5759@videotron.ca>
References: <c66e81ad-b699-8d60-23d5-0930796d5759@videotron.ca>
Message-ID: <ab36ee0c-3d42-97f1-c8ee-a504915d4a01@embarqmail.com>

Gilles,

As long as you are dependent on an application running on the PC for 
timing, you will have similar problems. Windows prioritizes the timing 
of events to its own pleasure, and servicing the application is not 
necessarily of the highest priority. It is normally not noticed, but 
with things like CW keying where timing is critical, the operating 
system gets in the way.
Back in the old DOS days when the currently running application had the 
full attention and command of computer resources, this was not a problem 
- back then, there was no "background processing".
The Winkey is the solution normally employed to attack that problem.

If you do not want to invest in the Winkeyer, then confine yourself to 
running only the application that is doing the CW keying.  The more 
applications you have running at the same time, the worse the contention 
for computer resources becomes.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 7/13/2017 6:31 PM, VA2EW wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> Last WE during the IARU HF I have tested the use of the USB input of the 
> K3S in replacement of a RIGEXPERT TI-5 box.
> 
> Everything looked great until I experimented that sometimes randomly the 
> beginning of the first dash or dot was missing when sending CW via 
> Wintest under Windows 10.
> 
> I guess it is a real-time related problem with USB under Windows.
> 
> Is there someone who have a solution to fix that or must I come back to 
> the RIGEXPERT or eventually add a Winkeyer ?
> 

From huntinhmb at coastside.net  Thu Jul 13 19:10:20 2017
From: huntinhmb at coastside.net (Brian Hunt)
Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2017 16:10:20 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Missing first piece of dash or dot when sending CW
 with K3S USB input with Wintest.
In-Reply-To: <c66e81ad-b699-8d60-23d5-0930796d5759@videotron.ca>
References: <c66e81ad-b699-8d60-23d5-0930796d5759@videotron.ca>
Message-ID: <b5cd6ef9-ab04-7753-14e7-f50a7bbf429b@coastside.net>

It's possible that Windows 10 is powering down the hub that the device 
is connected to.  In the Windows 10 Settings dialog click on devices and 
scroll all the way down to the bottom and select Device Manager.   Then 
click on USB controllers to open and view all the hubs.  Double click on 
each hub and select the Power Management tab and then uncheck the box 
that allows the computer to turn off the device to save power.  See if 
that helps.

Also make sure that Windows Sounds are off.  This is because Windows may 
stop all I/O including USB when it's doing a sound.  (Or at least that's 
what I've heard).

Good Luck!

73,
Brian, K0DTJ

On 7/13/2017 15:31, VA2EW wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Last WE during the IARU HF I have tested the use of the USB input of 
> the K3S in replacement of a RIGEXPERT TI-5 box.
>
> Everything looked great until I experimented that sometimes randomly 
> the beginning of the first dash or dot was missing when sending CW via 
> Wintest under Windows 10.
>


From n6tv at arrl.net  Thu Jul 13 19:41:31 2017
From: n6tv at arrl.net (Bob Wilson, N6TV)
Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2017 16:41:31 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Missing first piece of dash or dot when sending CW
 with K3S USB input with Wintest.
In-Reply-To: <c66e81ad-b699-8d60-23d5-0930796d5759@videotron.ca>
References: <c66e81ad-b699-8d60-23d5-0930796d5759@videotron.ca>
Message-ID: <CAOmNKG+npCi8kOy8_ENrMhaWnojR4ACS2N5d8DdbGHMoZPz9xg@mail.gmail.com>

I did not experience any problems like that during 24 hours of the IARU
contest keying a pair of K3S rigs with Win-Test over the USB line, in full
QSK mode, on a single computer (which was running Windows 7 32-bit).  With
Win-Test's excellent software CW timing, there's usually no need to buy a
WinKey.

The suggestion to check the USB Power Management settings is a good one.

I think further questions about this should be addressed in the Win-Test
reflector <http://lists.f5mzn.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support>, since
this is unlikely to be a K3S problem.

73,
Bob, N6TV

On Thu, Jul 13, 2017 at 3:31 PM, VA2EW <va2ew at videotron.ca> wrote:

> Last WE during the IARU HF I have tested the use of the USB input of the
> K3S in replacement of a RIGEXPERT TI-5 box.
>
> Everything looked great until I experimented that sometimes randomly the
> beginning of the first dash or dot was missing when sending CW via Wintest
> under Windows 10.
>
> I guess it is a real-time related problem with USB under Windows.
>
> Is there someone who have a solution to fix that or must I come back to
> the RIGEXPERT or eventually add a Winkeyer ?
>
> 73,s
>
> Gilles VA2EW

From xu7acy at yahoo.com  Thu Jul 13 21:49:18 2017
From: xu7acy at yahoo.com (Peter Pellack)
Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2017 01:49:18 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 NR and KIO3B INTERFACE
References: <1537781451.64700.1499996958049.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1537781451.64700.1499996958049@mail.yahoo.com>

? Last year we upgraded one of the K3's with the installation of the KIO3B interface kit. Shortly after we noticed that the NR sounded different. Like an "echo", even on the least aggressive setting. The NR performance appeared to have significantly suffered. Coincidence with the KIO3B installation ? We put the K3 on the shelf and used the backup K3 w/o the upgraded IO board.? Two months ago we upgraded the backup K3 with the KIO3B interface. Guess what, the same issue,the NR reduction has suffered the same symptoms as the 1st K3 ! What is going on here ? Tnx,73,Peter,HS0ZKX?

From va2ew at videotron.ca  Thu Jul 13 22:56:32 2017
From: va2ew at videotron.ca (VA2EW)
Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2017 22:56:32 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Missing first piece of dash or dot when sending CW
 with K3S USB input with Wintest.
In-Reply-To: <Vnj7d3NnMVt8zVnkAdpKPc@videotron.ca>
References: <c66e81ad-b699-8d60-23d5-0930796d5759@videotron.ca>
	<Vnj7d3NnMVt8zVnkAdpKPc@videotron.ca>
Message-ID: <9fb9e6a9-0117-9593-bafc-7f75337f92f8@videotron.ca>

Thanks guys for your fast answers and suggestions.

After having read you, I made several tests.

I have observed some very strange things leading me to think that the K3 
USB by itself is not involved:

The problem occurs only when the amplifier (Expert 2K-FA) is in operate 
mode and whatever the output power even 50W in a dummy load (the RF is 
not involved).

The problem disappears when I put 0 ms as well as 30ms in the "CW-PTT ON 
delay" of the interface configuration of Win-test.
That delay is the time between the initial PTT ON signal and the first 
CW sending.
The problem comes back when I put my initial 12ms setting. So why 0 and 
30 are ok and not 12ms...that's the strange thing?

I'm starting to think that there is something related with the inhibit 
output of the amplifier, when there is an inhibit signal at the input of 
the K3, the transmission stops and we cannot hear anymore the 
transmitted CW. So, maybe the USB is correctly doing its job but the 
inhibit signal is hiding it.

You could tell me :" you have found a solution so stop digging" but I do 
not like when things are floating around in the station so I have to put 
an oscilloscope in all that and check the timings.

I'll tell you if I find something interesting for the reflector

73, Gilles VA2EW




From hhoyt at mebtel.net  Thu Jul 13 23:22:53 2017
From: hhoyt at mebtel.net (Howard Hoyt)
Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2017 23:22:53 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Interesting meter
Message-ID: <55b06d42-9200-3e07-a9b1-dcb4c45b52c3@mebtel.net>

Hi all,

I figured maybe one of you was, um, experienced enough to recognize this 
meter and let me know what piece of equipment it came from.  I found it 
in a cache of old broadcast equipment, so it is possible it was part of 
an old carrier current transmitter or some other such thing.  This is 
the link to the picture:

https://proaudioeng.com/swr-meter/

Cheers & 73,

Howie - WA4PSC


From radioham at mchsi.com  Thu Jul 13 23:38:18 2017
From: radioham at mchsi.com (David Christ)
Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2017 22:38:18 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Interesting meter
Message-ID: <E5356348-A01C-4F69-9799-8057BA77B381@mchsi.com>

The first question that comes to mind is  ?How do we know that SWR stands for Standing Wave Ratio??

David K0LUM


> On Jul 13, 2017, at 10:22 PM, Howard Hoyt <hhoyt at mebtel.net> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I figured maybe one of you was, um, experienced enough to recognize this meter and let me know what piece of equipment it came from.  I found it in a cache of old broadcast equipment, so it is possible it was part of an old carrier current transmitter or some other such thing.  This is the link to the picture:
> 
> https://proaudioeng.com/swr-meter/
> 
> Cheers & 73,
> 
> Howie - WA4PSC
> 
> ______________________________________________________________




From n6tv at arrl.net  Fri Jul 14 00:03:58 2017
From: n6tv at arrl.net (Bob Wilson, N6TV)
Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2017 21:03:58 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Missing first piece of dash or dot when sending CW
 with K3S USB input with Wintest.
In-Reply-To: <9fb9e6a9-0117-9593-bafc-7f75337f92f8@videotron.ca>
References: <c66e81ad-b699-8d60-23d5-0930796d5759@videotron.ca>
	<Vnj7d3NnMVt8zVnkAdpKPc@videotron.ca>
	<9fb9e6a9-0117-9593-bafc-7f75337f92f8@videotron.ca>
Message-ID: <CAOmNKGJSAo7bhKAus2mhrh4RqOW5jsKB-1Cf2mLwuao=B6Q7dA@mail.gmail.com>

Are you connecting the amplifier to the TX Inhibit pin of the K3 ACC port?
Do you have CONFIG:TX INH set to Low=Inh or Hi=Inh?  You must first set
CONFIG:TECH MD ON to see it.  Try changing TX INH to OFF.

>From the Expert 2K-FA manual, section 13.3:

"All modern transceivers have a delay before the transmission to allow the
linear to
stabilize their relays avoiding damage to them and possible effects of "Hot
Switching".
The Expert 2K-FA has a settling time of only 6.5 msec. compatible with all
modern
transceivers (see the manual of the transceiver).
Some transceivers have an input (called TX-INHIBIT, LINEAR, MUTE, etc..)
which
disables the transmission.
*This input can be used with transceivers that do not have such delay *or,
more generally,
to improve the safety of switching."

So unless you are using CW QRQ mode in the K3 (and PTT lead=0 in Win-Test),
the relay should close well before the RF is output, so it   should not be
necessary to enable TX INH at all.

73,
Bob, N6TV

On Jul 13, 2017 7:58 PM, "VA2EW" <va2ew at videotron.ca> wrote:

> Thanks guys for your fast answers and suggestions.
>
> After having read you, I made several tests.
>
> I have observed some very strange things leading me to think that the K3
> USB by itself is not involved:
>
> The problem occurs only when the amplifier (Expert 2K-FA) is in operate
> mode and whatever the output power even 50W in a dummy load (the RF is not
> involved).
>
> The problem disappears when I put 0 ms as well as 30ms in the "CW-PTT ON
> delay" of the interface configuration of Win-test.
> That delay is the time between the initial PTT ON signal and the first CW
> sending.
> The problem comes back when I put my initial 12ms setting. So why 0 and 30
> are ok and not 12ms...that's the strange thing?
>
> I'm starting to think that there is something related with the inhibit
> output of the amplifier, when there is an inhibit signal at the input of
> the K3, the transmission stops and we cannot hear anymore the transmitted
> CW. So, maybe the USB is correctly doing its job but the inhibit signal is
> hiding it.
>
> You could tell me :" you have found a solution so stop digging" but I do
> not like when things are floating around in the station so I have to put an
> oscilloscope in all that and check the timings.
>
> I'll tell you if I find something interesting for the reflector
>
> 73, Gilles VA2EW
>
>
>
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From nz8j at woh.rr.com  Fri Jul 14 00:19:41 2017
From: nz8j at woh.rr.com (nz8j)
Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2017 00:19:41 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] WTB:  PX3
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From pincon at erols.com  Fri Jul 14 07:30:58 2017
From: pincon at erols.com (Charlie T, K3ICH)
Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2017 07:30:58 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Interesting meter
In-Reply-To: <E5356348-A01C-4F69-9799-8057BA77B381@mchsi.com>
References: <E5356348-A01C-4F69-9799-8057BA77B381@mchsi.com>
Message-ID: <001801d2fc94$ad6f7d50$084e77f0$@erols.com>

Here's some distinct possibilities

#1. It was used in an instrument that monitored the water level of a fish pond.
SWR = Still Water Reading.

#2. Then again, it may have been a modern version of something to keep track of evil doers in the north as in:
SWR = Salem Witch Raids, but the company went out of business early since there wasn't much call for that in modern times since nobody cared.

#3. Monty Python may have used the tester to measure audience responses to:
SWR = Silly Walks Reaction.

#4 In Horse racing, it was a:
SWR = Saddle Weight Range, to monitor the thoroughbred's load.

#5 Of course, the Lone Ranger may have kept a watch on his bullet production with a:
SWR = Silver Working Reserve device at his mine.

Chas





-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of David Christ
Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2017 11:38 PM
To: Howard Hoyt <hhoyt at mebtel.net>
Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Interesting meter

The first question that comes to mind is  ?How do we know that SWR stands for Standing Wave Ratio??

David K0LUM


> On Jul 13, 2017, at 10:22 PM, Howard Hoyt <hhoyt at mebtel.net> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I figured maybe one of you was, um, experienced enough to recognize this meter and let me know what piece of equipment it came from.  I found it in a cache of old broadcast equipment, so it is possible it was part of an old carrier current transmitter or some other such thing.  This is the link to the picture:
> 
> https://proaudioeng.com/swr-meter/
> 
> Cheers & 73,
> 
> Howie - WA4PSC
> 
> ______________________________________________________________



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From criradul2001 at yahoo.com  Fri Jul 14 08:17:31 2017
From: criradul2001 at yahoo.com (Cristian Radulescu)
Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2017 12:17:31 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] Interesting meter
In-Reply-To: <001801d2fc94$ad6f7d50$084e77f0$@erols.com>
References: <E5356348-A01C-4F69-9799-8057BA77B381@mchsi.com>
	<001801d2fc94$ad6f7d50$084e77f0$@erols.com>
Message-ID: <488255368.331763.1500034651829@mail.yahoo.com>

Best?humor for the weekend, Charles.Thank you for enlightening us.73' de yo3iaz, Cristian

      From: "Charlie T, K3ICH" <pincon at erols.com>
 To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net 
 Sent: Friday, July 14, 2017 2:32 PM
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Interesting meter
   
Here's some distinct possibilities

#1. It was used in an instrument that monitored the water level of a fish pond.
SWR = Still Water Reading.

#2. Then again, it may have been a modern version of something to keep track of evil doers in the north as in:
SWR = Salem Witch Raids, but the company went out of business early since there wasn't much call for that in modern times since nobody cared.

#3. Monty Python may have used the tester to measure audience responses to:
SWR = Silly Walks Reaction.

#4 In Horse racing, it was a:
SWR = Saddle Weight Range, to monitor the thoroughbred's load.

#5 Of course, the Lone Ranger may have kept a watch on his bullet production with a:
SWR = Silver Working Reserve device at his mine.

Chas





-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of David Christ
Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2017 11:38 PM
To: Howard Hoyt <hhoyt at mebtel.net>
Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Interesting meter

The first question that comes to mind is? ?How do we know that SWR stands for Standing Wave Ratio??

David K0LUM


> On Jul 13, 2017, at 10:22 PM, Howard Hoyt <hhoyt at mebtel.net> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I figured maybe one of you was, um, experienced enough to recognize this meter and let me know what piece of equipment it came from.? I found it in a cache of old broadcast equipment, so it is possible it was part of an old carrier current transmitter or some other such thing.? This is the link to the picture:
> 
> https://proaudioeng.com/swr-meter/
> 
> Cheers & 73,
> 
> Howie - WA4PSC
> 
> ______________________________________________________________



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From K1ND at comcast.net  Fri Jul 14 09:35:53 2017
From: K1ND at comcast.net (Jan)
Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2017 09:35:53 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K2/100 for sale
Message-ID: <2b16b0f7-3e8d-8ea0-7fdc-ffd1cdd84c30@comcast.net>

Have available a K2/100 Serial # 01397 in working order ~ with the KSB2, 
KAF2, KNB2 & 160M options installed

PLUS a number of upgrade kits never installed; *details off-list* @ 
emuprof at yahoo.com.  Sell for $ 625 shipped

Regards, Jan K1ND


From kd6qzx at sbcglobal.net  Fri Jul 14 11:38:12 2017
From: kd6qzx at sbcglobal.net (KD6QZX)
Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2017 08:38:12 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] Interesting meter
In-Reply-To: <55b06d42-9200-3e07-a9b1-dcb4c45b52c3@mebtel.net>
References: <55b06d42-9200-3e07-a9b1-dcb4c45b52c3@mebtel.net>
Message-ID: <473334316.484590.1500046447577@mail.yahoo.com>

Interesting but I have never seen one... I am curious as to what you learn about this.
Scott
 

    On Thursday, July 13, 2017 8:24 PM, Howard Hoyt [via Elecraft] <ml+s365791n7632416h30 at n2.nabble.com> wrote:
 

  Hi all,

I figured maybe one of you was, um, experienced enough to recognize this 
meter and let me know what piece of equipment it came from. ?I found it 
in a cache of old broadcast equipment, so it is possible it was part of 
an old carrier current transmitter or some other such thing. ?This is 
the link to the picture:

https://proaudioeng.com/swr-meter/

Cheers & 73,

Howie - WA4PSC

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From graham.wood1 at mypostoffice.co.uk  Fri Jul 14 12:00:56 2017
From: graham.wood1 at mypostoffice.co.uk (G Wood)
Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2017 17:00:56 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [Elecraft] Missing first piece of dash or dot when sending CW with
 K3S USB input with Wintest.
Message-ID: <975531132.17571991.1500048056199.JavaMail.zimbra@mypostoffice.co.uk>

Hello Gilles

On my K3 (SN 5845),

Keying from computer, PTT selected, my call sent as N3VIP. missed first dash.

Keying from computer, VOX selected, my call sent as G3VIP. sent OK.

Homebrew logging program, using WinXP. CW timing using QueryPreformanceCounter in Windows.
 
Cheers Gray G3VIP

From ai6ii at comcast.net  Fri Jul 14 13:36:29 2017
From: ai6ii at comcast.net (mike)
Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2017 10:36:29 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] K3/0 Mini and RemoteRig RRC-1258MkII Control Unit FOR
	SALE
Message-ID: <1500053789120-7632425.post@n2.nabble.com>

Both units in excellent condition. Includes connecting cable and MH2 mic. RRC
has wifi option for wireless connection to computer.  $750 including
shipping CONTUS - Contact me: ai6ii at arrl.net  73  ..mike  AI6II  



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From eaopa at comcast.net  Fri Jul 14 14:58:23 2017
From: eaopa at comcast.net (Gene O)
Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2017 14:58:23 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Speaker question
Message-ID: <83642730-a7fe-c43f-5edc-8ffd3a8be4c3@comcast.net>

Several days ago I posted a question regarding setting the time and 
about speakers not turning off.

I got the time straightened out.  When plugging in the headphones the 
speaker that turns off is the one in the K3 _not _the external Bose 
speakers I have hooked up.

Thanks to all that responded.

Gene, W2BXR


From ve7xf at shaw.ca  Fri Jul 14 15:08:21 2017
From: ve7xf at shaw.ca (Ralph Parker)
Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2017 12:08:21 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Missing first element
Message-ID: <a0474c1f-90e3-41b2-319b-95171c3147a2@shaw.ca>

>Keying from computer, PTT selected, my call sent as N3VIP. missed first dash.
>Keying from computer, VOX selected, my call sent as G3VIP. sent OK.

Now that I think of it, years ago, using my Brand Y xcvr with a contest logging program,
I had exactly the same problem with the same solution. I'm sure that with more modern equipment and
programs, today's solutions would be more sophisticated, but it was a good workaround for the time.

VE7XF
aka UE7XF in some contests :-)


From nr4c at widomaker.com  Fri Jul 14 15:24:54 2017
From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c)
Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2017 15:24:54 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Interesting meter
In-Reply-To: <55b06d42-9200-3e07-a9b1-dcb4c45b52c3@mebtel.net>
References: <55b06d42-9200-3e07-a9b1-dcb4c45b52c3@mebtel.net>
Message-ID: <C0F6BF1A-6D70-4476-B279-6249CAB57778@widomaker.com>

Hmmmm...
If the needle centered is 1:1, then 1:4 (.25) is to the left of center and 4:1 (4) is to the right. ????  It is a ratio. 

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill


> On Jul 13, 2017, at 11:22 PM, Howard Hoyt <hhoyt at mebtel.net> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I figured maybe one of you was, um, experienced enough to recognize this meter and let me know what piece of equipment it came from.  I found it in a cache of old broadcast equipment, so it is possible it was part of an old carrier current transmitter or some other such thing.  This is the link to the picture:
> 
> https://proaudioeng.com/swr-meter/
> 
> Cheers & 73,
> 
> Howie - WA4PSC
> 
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From huntinhmb at coastside.net  Fri Jul 14 17:15:10 2017
From: huntinhmb at coastside.net (Brian Hunt)
Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2017 14:15:10 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Speaker question
In-Reply-To: <83642730-a7fe-c43f-5edc-8ffd3a8be4c3@comcast.net>
References: <83642730-a7fe-c43f-5edc-8ffd3a8be4c3@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <cd3aab39-c037-76c6-2007-414b6ff2ef17@coastside.net>

Hi Gene,
Your reply below begs the question:  How do you have the Bose speakers 
hooked up?  The manual page 20 (Rev D6) says when you plug in external 
speakers it cuts off the internal speaker.  They are referring to the 
SPKRS 3.5mm jack on the rear of the K3.  If the Bose speakers are using 
some other audio output, i.e. LINE OUT, then they won't be cut off with 
the SPKR+PH = NO menu setting.

My K3 works exactly as the manual says.  I'm using the rear SPKRS jack 
for external stereo speakers.  I use LINE OUT for digital modes via a 
sound card.  I use the SPKR+PH menu set to YES or NO as conditions 
dictate and have that toggle set up on the PF1 button.  I keep a headset 
connected full time to the rear PHONES and MIC jacks with nothing 
plugged into the front panel.  The internal speaker is not used at all.

Hope this helps...

73,
Brian, K0DTJ

On 7/14/2017 11:58, Gene O wrote:
> Several days ago I posted a question regarding setting the time and 
> about speakers not turning off.
>
> I got the time straightened out.  When plugging in the headphones the 
> speaker that turns off is the one in the K3 _not _the external Bose 
> speakers I have hooked up.
>
> Thanks to all that responded.
>
> Gene, W2BXR


From lladerman at earthlink.net  Fri Jul 14 17:17:40 2017
From: lladerman at earthlink.net (W0FK)
Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2017 14:17:40 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] K3/100 FS - LOWER PRICE
In-Reply-To: <1498877156316-7632198.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1498877156316-7632198.post@n2.nabble.com>
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Still available. Price lowered to $2675 shipped/insured CONUS.

73

Lou, W0FK



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From ttaylor2372 at gmail.com  Fri Jul 14 17:27:41 2017
From: ttaylor2372 at gmail.com (Terry)
Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2017 14:27:41 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 NR and KIO3B INTERFACE
In-Reply-To: <1537781451.64700.1499996958049@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1537781451.64700.1499996958049.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<1537781451.64700.1499996958049@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <3f201beb-2e1c-1508-6bb0-4d8c79751db2@gmail.com>

My K3S has sounded like that since I bought it.
73
Terry N7BDL

On 7/13/17 6:49 PM, Peter Pellack via Elecraft wrote:
>    Last year we upgraded one of the K3's with the installation of the KIO3B interface kit. Shortly after we noticed that the NR sounded different. Like an "echo", even on the least aggressive setting. The NR performance appeared to have significantly suffered. Coincidence with the KIO3B installation ? We put the K3 on the shelf and used the backup K3 w/o the upgraded IO board.  Two months ago we upgraded the backup K3 with the KIO3B interface. Guess what, the same issue,the NR reduction has suffered the same symptoms as the 1st K3 ! What is going on here ? Tnx,73,Peter,HS0ZKX
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From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Fri Jul 14 20:18:43 2017
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2017 19:18:43 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 NR and KIO3B INTERFACE
In-Reply-To: <3f201beb-2e1c-1508-6bb0-4d8c79751db2@gmail.com>
References: <1537781451.64700.1499996958049.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<1537781451.64700.1499996958049@mail.yahoo.com>
	<3f201beb-2e1c-1508-6bb0-4d8c79751db2@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <de688bd3-1413-0232-e0f5-f46b3921f0f5@blomand.net>

Could it be the AFX function is on?   This adds a bit of delay between L 
and R.     In using a pair of non-amplified external speakers connected 
to the rear SPKRS jack, I don't notice any objectionable echo when NR is 
engaged.   The setting which I use for SSB  is NRmF5--1.   This is mixed 
audio being part original audio and part being DSP audio.

73

Bob, K4TAX

K3S s/n 10163


On 7/14/2017 4:27 PM, Terry wrote:
> My K3S has sounded like that since I bought it.
> 73
> Terry N7BDL
>
> On 7/13/17 6:49 PM, Peter Pellack via Elecraft wrote:
>>    Last year we upgraded one of the K3's with the installation of the 
>> KIO3B interface kit. Shortly after we noticed that the NR sounded 
>> different. Like an "echo", even on the least aggressive setting. The 
>> NR performance appeared to have significantly suffered. Coincidence 
>> with the KIO3B installation ? We put the K3 on the shelf and used the 
>> backup K3 w/o the upgraded IO board.  Two months ago we upgraded the 
>> backup K3 with the KIO3B interface. Guess what, the same issue,the NR 
>> reduction has suffered the same symptoms as the 1st K3 ! What is 
>> going on here ? Tnx,73,Peter,HS0ZKX
>
>



From eaopa at comcast.net  Fri Jul 14 21:34:39 2017
From: eaopa at comcast.net (Gene O)
Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2017 21:34:39 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Speaker question
Message-ID: <6071566c-9247-e93b-47a6-cdf9d7a0a4d1@comcast.net>

Well as you all may have suspected it is operator error after all.  It 
seems I had plugged the speakers into the phone jack.  I looked at the 
back of the K3 I don't know how many times and still..... Oh well. 2nd 
mistake of my life

Thanks to Brian, K0DTJ and Vic, VE3YT and others that may have responded.

Gene, W2BXR

From ai6ii at comcast.net  Fri Jul 14 21:57:11 2017
From: ai6ii at comcast.net (mike)
Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2017 18:57:11 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] K3/0 Mini and RemoteRig RRC-1258MkII Control Unit
	FOR SALE
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References: <1500053789120-7632425.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <1500083831592-7632434.post@n2.nabble.com>

SOLD  73  ..mike  AI6II



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From rask1553 at bellsouth.net  Sat Jul 15 15:16:32 2017
From: rask1553 at bellsouth.net (Michael Raskin)
Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2017 15:16:32 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] T1-A and T1-FT817C FOR SALE
Message-ID: <0CAF2ACDCB824FCDA7B6BC1BA0004568@DESKTOPFSUHCE9>

For sale is a brand-new, still in the box, never-used, factory assembled Elecraft T1-A Automatic Antenna Tuner.  New they sell for $159.95 assembled.  Buy mine for $100.  Also have a brand-new T1-FT817C  Remote Control Adapter Cable which sells new for $59.95.  Buy mine for $40.  Or buy both for $125 plus shipping.

Mike, W4UM

From pubx1 at af2z.net  Sat Jul 15 15:37:27 2017
From: pubx1 at af2z.net (Drew AF2Z)
Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2017 15:37:27 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Interesting meter
In-Reply-To: <55b06d42-9200-3e07-a9b1-dcb4c45b52c3@mebtel.net>
References: <55b06d42-9200-3e07-a9b1-dcb4c45b52c3@mebtel.net>
Message-ID: <db2e3e20-8fe2-fb12-d6d4-986d48998608@af2z.net>

Looks like an SWR Balance Meter for an AN/SRT-14 MF/HF transmitter or 
associated coupler/tuner:

http://www.virhistory.com/navy/xmtrs/srt14-99.jpg


73,
Drew
AF2Z



On 07/13/17 23:22, Howard Hoyt wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> I figured maybe one of you was, um, experienced enough to recognize this 
> meter and let me know what piece of equipment it came from.  I found it 
> in a cache of old broadcast equipment, so it is possible it was part of 
> an old carrier current transmitter or some other such thing.  This is 
> the link to the picture:
> 
> https://proaudioeng.com/swr-meter/
> 
> Cheers & 73,
> 
> Howie - WA4PSC
> 
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From n6kr at elecraft.com  Sat Jul 15 16:04:16 2017
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2017 13:04:16 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Flash mob experiment, 21040 +/- 5 kHz, now until 2100 Z
Message-ID: <B680D124-3ECB-4FF3-861B-CEF3239C7383@elecraft.com>

Hi all,

Based on info from dxmaps.com, 15 meters should be open. Hearing a few signals.

If you?d like to participate in a 15 meter ?flash mob? experiment, please drop by on 21040 +/- 5 kHz. Initially, callsigns ending in A-L listen, M-Z call CQ (myself included).

Not a contest, no rules, no award credit, just an excuse to get on the air.

73,
Wayne
N6KR



From m.matthew.george at gmail.com  Sat Jul 15 16:10:44 2017
From: m.matthew.george at gmail.com (M. George)
Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2017 14:10:44 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] Flash mob experiment, 21040 +/- 5 kHz,
	now until 2100 Z
In-Reply-To: <B680D124-3ECB-4FF3-861B-CEF3239C7383@elecraft.com>
References: <B680D124-3ECB-4FF3-861B-CEF3239C7383@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <CAFYRpHsNaK_VmpGBTiw5zDonRb6PqC_LqOcdPYDWGM907=aWUg@mail.gmail.com>

Wayne, the NAQP RTTY contesting going on... it started at 1800Z today.  It
goes for 12 hours.  There are a lot of signals on 15 meters, about half as
many as I'm seeing on 20 meters here in Utah.

Max NG7M

On Sat, Jul 15, 2017 at 2:04 PM, Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> Based on info from dxmaps.com, 15 meters should be open. Hearing a few
> signals.
>
> If you?d like to participate in a 15 meter ?flash mob? experiment, please
> drop by on 21040 +/- 5 kHz. Initially, callsigns ending in A-L listen, M-Z
> call CQ (myself included).
>
> Not a contest, no rules, no award credit, just an excuse to get on the air.
>
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR
>
>
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From k2vco.vic at gmail.com  Sat Jul 15 16:12:15 2017
From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Vic Rosenthal)
Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2017 23:12:15 +0300
Subject: [Elecraft] Interesting meter
In-Reply-To: <db2e3e20-8fe2-fb12-d6d4-986d48998608@af2z.net>
References: <55b06d42-9200-3e07-a9b1-dcb4c45b52c3@mebtel.net>
	<db2e3e20-8fe2-fb12-d6d4-986d48998608@af2z.net>
Message-ID: <0FEAD0DE-DA00-409B-98BB-6C8BCE591ED7@gmail.com>

A  100-watt output transmitter (with a 4-400 final!) and antenna tuner, in a 6-foot rack. Equivalent to the tx section of my K3. Talk about "battleship construction!"
Lots of knobs for those who complain that the K3 has too few.

Vic 4X6GP 

> On 15 Jul 2017, at 22:37, Drew AF2Z <pubx1 at af2z.net> wrote:
> 
> Looks like an SWR Balance Meter for an AN/SRT-14 MF/HF transmitter or associated coupler/tuner:
> 
> http://www.virhistory.com/navy/xmtrs/srt14-99.jpg
> 
> 
> 73,
> Drew
> AF2Z
> 
> 
> 
>> On 07/13/17 23:22, Howard Hoyt wrote:
>> Hi all,
>> I figured maybe one of you was, um, experienced enough to recognize this meter and let me know what piece of equipment it came from.  I found it in a cache of old broadcast equipment, so it is possible it was part of an old carrier current transmitter or some other such thing.  This is the link to the picture:
>> https://proaudioeng.com/swr-meter/
>> Cheers & 73,
>> Howie - WA4PSC

From ab2tc at arrl.net  Sat Jul 15 16:14:14 2017
From: ab2tc at arrl.net (ab2tc)
Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2017 13:14:14 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] Interesting meter
In-Reply-To: <db2e3e20-8fe2-fb12-d6d4-986d48998608@af2z.net>
References: <55b06d42-9200-3e07-a9b1-dcb4c45b52c3@mebtel.net>
	<db2e3e20-8fe2-fb12-d6d4-986d48998608@af2z.net>
Message-ID: <1500149654801-7632439.post@n2.nabble.com>

Hi Drew,

Looks like like you nailed that one. The meter is clearly visible near the
center of the rack. Before this OT thread is shut down, can you let us know
what an "SWR Balance Meter" is?

AB2TC - Knut


Drew AF2Z wrote
> Looks like an SWR Balance Meter for an AN/SRT-14 MF/HF transmitter or 
> associated coupler/tuner:
> 
> http://www.virhistory.com/navy/xmtrs/srt14-99.jpg
> 
> 
> 73,
> Drew
> AF2Z
> 
> 
> 
> On 07/13/17 23:22, Howard Hoyt wrote:
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I figured maybe one of you was, um, experienced enough to recognize this 
>> meter and let me know what piece of equipment it came from.  I found it 
>> in a cache of old broadcast equipment, so it is possible it was part of 
>> an old carrier current transmitter or some other such thing.  This is 
>> the link to the picture:
>> 
>> https://proaudioeng.com/swr-meter/
>> 
>> Cheers & 73,
>> 
>> Howie - WA4PSC
>> 
> <snip>





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From k4to at arrl.net  Sat Jul 15 16:16:39 2017
From: k4to at arrl.net (Dave Sublette)
Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2017 16:16:39 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Flash mob experiment, 21040 +/- 5 kHz,
 now until 2100 Z
In-Reply-To: <B680D124-3ECB-4FF3-861B-CEF3239C7383@elecraft.com>
References: <B680D124-3ECB-4FF3-861B-CEF3239C7383@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <41157150-E0EC-4F5C-A391-B790316C2922@arrl.net>

Hearing one weak sig under the noise (and there is NO noise)  Called CQ 3 times ? no answer.  50 Watts, Dipole Location on highest point in the county.  KX3/KXPA100    Sorry folks.  No propagation here.

Dave, K4TO
> On Jul 15, 2017, at 4:04 PM, Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> Based on info from dxmaps.com, 15 meters should be open. Hearing a few signals.
> 
> If you?d like to participate in a 15 meter ?flash mob? experiment, please drop by on 21040 +/- 5 kHz. Initially, callsigns ending in A-L listen, M-Z call CQ (myself included).
> 
> Not a contest, no rules, no award credit, just an excuse to get on the air.
> 
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR
> 
> 
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From k4to at arrl.net  Sat Jul 15 16:20:06 2017
From: k4to at arrl.net (Dave Sublette)
Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2017 16:20:06 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Flash mob experiment, 21040 +/- 5 kHz,
 now until 2100 Z
In-Reply-To: <CAFYRpHsNaK_VmpGBTiw5zDonRb6PqC_LqOcdPYDWGM907=aWUg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <B680D124-3ECB-4FF3-861B-CEF3239C7383@elecraft.com>
	<CAFYRpHsNaK_VmpGBTiw5zDonRb6PqC_LqOcdPYDWGM907=aWUg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <53A4DE44-A8A9-411F-8B25-FF3486F3DB52@arrl.net>

Heard your CQ, Wayne ? called and got no response?. K4TO

> On Jul 15, 2017, at 4:10 PM, M. George <m.matthew.george at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Wayne, the NAQP RTTY contesting going on... it started at 1800Z today.  It
> goes for 12 hours.  There are a lot of signals on 15 meters, about half as
> many as I'm seeing on 20 meters here in Utah.
> 
> Max NG7M
> 
> On Sat, Jul 15, 2017 at 2:04 PM, Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com <mailto:n6kr at elecraft.com>> wrote:
> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> Based on info from dxmaps.com, 15 meters should be open. Hearing a few
>> signals.
>> 
>> If you?d like to participate in a 15 meter ?flash mob? experiment, please
>> drop by on 21040 +/- 5 kHz. Initially, callsigns ending in A-L listen, M-Z
>> call CQ (myself included).
>> 
>> Not a contest, no rules, no award credit, just an excuse to get on the air.
>> 
>> 73,
>> Wayne
>> N6KR
>> 
>> 
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From dave.w0zf at gmail.com  Sat Jul 15 16:20:57 2017
From: dave.w0zf at gmail.com (Dave Fugleberg)
Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2017 20:20:57 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Flash mob experiment, 21040 +/- 5 kHz,
	now until 2100 Z
In-Reply-To: <41157150-E0EC-4F5C-A391-B790316C2922@arrl.net>
References: <B680D124-3ECB-4FF3-861B-CEF3239C7383@elecraft.com>
	<41157150-E0EC-4F5C-A391-B790316C2922@arrl.net>
Message-ID: <CAF==Uf22D818Y7+m7w5i0OxSPUwZq1NtK4k1SMHmgEuOidsrvw@mail.gmail.com>

A very quiet mob here in MN... :(
On the other hand, 6m is pretty decent and I've worked 68 stations and 35
grids in the past couple hours with my K3 barefoot...
73 de W0ZF
On Sat, Jul 15, 2017 at 3:17 PM Dave Sublette <k4to at arrl.net> wrote:

> Hearing one weak sig under the noise (and there is NO noise)  Called CQ 3
> times ? no answer.  50 Watts, Dipole Location on highest point in the
> county.  KX3/KXPA100    Sorry folks.  No propagation here.
>
> Dave, K4TO
> > On Jul 15, 2017, at 4:04 PM, Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > Based on info from dxmaps.com, 15 meters should be open. Hearing a few
> signals.
> >
> > If you?d like to participate in a 15 meter ?flash mob? experiment,
> please drop by on 21040 +/- 5 kHz. Initially, callsigns ending in A-L
> listen, M-Z call CQ (myself included).
> >
> > Not a contest, no rules, no award credit, just an excuse to get on the
> air.
> >
> > 73,
> > Wayne
> > N6KR
> >
> >
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From n6kr at elecraft.com  Sat Jul 15 16:21:22 2017
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2017 13:21:22 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Flash mob experiment, 21040 +/- 5 kHz,
 now until 2100 Z
In-Reply-To: <41157150-E0EC-4F5C-A391-B790316C2922@arrl.net>
References: <B680D124-3ECB-4FF3-861B-CEF3239C7383@elecraft.com>
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Two Q?s so far. Keeping it slow (18 WPM).

Wayne
N6KR



> On Jul 15, 2017, at 1:16 PM, Dave Sublette <k4to at arrl.net> wrote:
> 
> Hearing one weak sig under the noise (and there is NO noise)  Called CQ 3 times ? no answer.  50 Watts, Dipole Location on highest point in the county.  KX3/KXPA100    Sorry folks.  No propagation here.
> 
> Dave, K4TO
>> On Jul 15, 2017, at 4:04 PM, Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> Based on info from dxmaps.com, 15 meters should be open. Hearing a few signals.
>> 
>> If you?d like to participate in a 15 meter ?flash mob? experiment, please drop by on 21040 +/- 5 kHz. Initially, callsigns ending in A-L listen, M-Z call CQ (myself included).
>> 
>> Not a contest, no rules, no award credit, just an excuse to get on the air.
>> 
>> 73,
>> Wayne
>> N6KR
>> 
>> 
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From k4to at arrl.net  Sat Jul 15 16:24:46 2017
From: k4to at arrl.net (Dave Sublette)
Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2017 16:24:46 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Flash mob experiment, 21040 +/- 5 kHz,
 now until 2100 Z
In-Reply-To: <CAF==Uf22D818Y7+m7w5i0OxSPUwZq1NtK4k1SMHmgEuOidsrvw@mail.gmail.com>
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	<41157150-E0EC-4F5C-A391-B790316C2922@arrl.net>
	<CAF==Uf22D818Y7+m7w5i0OxSPUwZq1NtK4k1SMHmgEuOidsrvw@mail.gmail.com>
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Nothing here on 6 at the moment?K4TO
> On Jul 15, 2017, at 4:20 PM, Dave Fugleberg <dave.w0zf at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> A very quiet mob here in MN... :(
> On the other hand, 6m is pretty decent and I've worked 68 stations and 35 grids in the past couple hours with my K3 barefoot...
> 73 de W0ZF 
> On Sat, Jul 15, 2017 at 3:17 PM Dave Sublette <k4to at arrl.net <mailto:k4to at arrl.net>> wrote:
> Hearing one weak sig under the noise (and there is NO noise)  Called CQ 3 times ? no answer.  50 Watts, Dipole Location on highest point in the county.  KX3/KXPA100    Sorry folks.  No propagation here.
> 
> Dave, K4TO
> > On Jul 15, 2017, at 4:04 PM, Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com <mailto:n6kr at elecraft.com>> wrote:
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > Based on info from dxmaps.com <http://dxmaps.com/>, 15 meters should be open. Hearing a few signals.
> >
> > If you?d like to participate in a 15 meter ?flash mob? experiment, please drop by on 21040 +/- 5 kHz. Initially, callsigns ending in A-L listen, M-Z call CQ (myself included).
> >
> > Not a contest, no rules, no award credit, just an excuse to get on the air.
> >
> > 73,
> > Wayne
> > N6KR
> >
> >
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From k4to at arrl.net  Sat Jul 15 16:27:48 2017
From: k4to at arrl.net (Dave Sublette)
Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2017 16:27:48 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Interesting meter
In-Reply-To: <0FEAD0DE-DA00-409B-98BB-6C8BCE591ED7@gmail.com>
References: <55b06d42-9200-3e07-a9b1-dcb4c45b52c3@mebtel.net>
	<db2e3e20-8fe2-fb12-d6d4-986d48998608@af2z.net>
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I was an ET in the navy.  We had a week of school on that rig.  The drawers were on rollers and rolled out for maintenance, then tilted so you could get to the bottom.  You had to reach back along the sides and press a release to get the drawer to tilt for maintenance.  The only trouble was, the High Voltage was on a terminal strip next to the button.  Woe be unto you if your fingers extended too far under the chassis!!

Dave, K4TO
> On Jul 15, 2017, at 4:12 PM, Vic Rosenthal <k2vco.vic at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> A  100-watt output transmitter (with a 4-400 final!) and antenna tuner, in a 6-foot rack. Equivalent to the tx section of my K3. Talk about "battleship construction!"
> Lots of knobs for those who complain that the K3 has too few.
> 
> Vic 4X6GP 
> 
>> On 15 Jul 2017, at 22:37, Drew AF2Z <pubx1 at af2z.net> wrote:
>> 
>> Looks like an SWR Balance Meter for an AN/SRT-14 MF/HF transmitter or associated coupler/tuner:
>> 
>> http://www.virhistory.com/navy/xmtrs/srt14-99.jpg
>> 
>> 
>> 73,
>> Drew
>> AF2Z
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 07/13/17 23:22, Howard Hoyt wrote:
>>> Hi all,
>>> I figured maybe one of you was, um, experienced enough to recognize this meter and let me know what piece of equipment it came from.  I found it in a cache of old broadcast equipment, so it is possible it was part of an old carrier current transmitter or some other such thing.  This is the link to the picture:
>>> https://proaudioeng.com/swr-meter/
>>> Cheers & 73,
>>> Howie - WA4PSC
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From joberreu-elecraft at moselle.com  Sat Jul 15 23:21:32 2017
From: joberreu-elecraft at moselle.com (Jessie Oberreuter)
Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2017 03:21:32 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] Flash mob experiment, 21040 +/- 5 kHz,
 now until 2100 Z
In-Reply-To: <CAFYRpHsNaK_VmpGBTiw5zDonRb6PqC_LqOcdPYDWGM907=aWUg@mail.gmail.com>
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	<CAFYRpHsNaK_VmpGBTiw5zDonRb6PqC_LqOcdPYDWGM907=aWUg@mail.gmail.com>
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Max,

      I know the feeling.  We're also in the middle of the CQ VHF Contest 
:).

Wayne,

      Thanks for the nice qso on 15 :).  It was a nice little break from 
spinning the beams and working the noise on 6 & 2 :).  SubRx in the K3 
makes it easy to listen omni and beam at the same time :).



On Sat, 15 Jul 2017, M. George wrote:

> Wayne, the NAQP RTTY contesting going on... it started at 1800Z today.  It
> goes for 12 hours.  There are a lot of signals on 15 meters, about half as
> many as I'm seeing on 20 meters here in Utah.
>
> Max NG7M
>
> On Sat, Jul 15, 2017 at 2:04 PM, Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Based on info from dxmaps.com, 15 meters should be open. Hearing a few
>> signals.
>>
>> If you?d like to participate in a 15 meter ?flash mob? experiment, please
>> drop by on 21040 +/- 5 kHz. Initially, callsigns ending in A-L listen, M-Z
>> call CQ (myself included).
>>
>> Not a contest, no rules, no award credit, just an excuse to get on the air.
>>
>> 73,
>> Wayne
>> N6KR
>>
>>
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From randy.ak4qk at gmail.com  Sat Jul 15 16:36:09 2017
From: randy.ak4qk at gmail.com (Randy Bright)
Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2017 15:36:09 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] T1-A and T1-FT817C FOR SALE
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Michael,
I'll take it if no one else has claimed it.
Thanks,

Randy
AK4QK
Member Calhoun County Amateur Radio Assn.
NAQCC #6312

On Jul 15, 2017 2:17 PM, "Michael Raskin" <rask1553 at bellsouth.net> wrote:

> For sale is a brand-new, still in the box, never-used, factory assembled
> Elecraft T1-A Automatic Antenna Tuner.  New they sell for $159.95
> assembled.  Buy mine for $100.  Also have a brand-new T1-FT817C  Remote
> Control Adapter Cable which sells new for $59.95.  Buy mine for $40.  Or
> buy both for $125 plus shipping.
>
> Mike, W4UM
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From ho13dave at gmail.com  Sat Jul 15 16:44:20 2017
From: ho13dave at gmail.com (ho13dave at gmail.com)
Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2017 15:44:20 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Flash mob experiment, 21040 +/- 5 kHz,
	now until 2100 Z
In-Reply-To: <B680D124-3ECB-4FF3-861B-CEF3239C7383@elecraft.com>
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Nothing heard near Mobile, AL. Called CQ a few times but got no response. Most recent digisonde data shows MUF of 16 MHz. That might be why we're not hearing much.

73 de dave
ab9ca/4


Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 15, 2017, at 15:04, Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> Based on info from dxmaps.com, 15 meters should be open. Hearing a few signals.
> 
> If you?d like to participate in a 15 meter ?flash mob? experiment, please drop by on 21040 +/- 5 kHz. Initially, callsigns ending in A-L listen, M-Z call CQ (myself included).
> 
> Not a contest, no rules, no award credit, just an excuse to get on the air.
> 
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR
> 
> 
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From ab2tc at arrl.net  Sat Jul 15 16:56:09 2017
From: ab2tc at arrl.net (ab2tc)
Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2017 13:56:09 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] Flash mob experiment, 21040 +/- 5 kHz,
	now until 2100 Z
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Hi,

15m totally dead here in CNY. 20m has a fairly good opening to Europe and
ME.

AB2TC - Knut


Dave-7 wrote
> Nothing heard near Mobile, AL. Called CQ a few times but got no response.
> Most recent digisonde data shows MUF of 16 MHz. That might be why we're
> not hearing much.
> 
> 73 de dave
> ab9ca/4
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jul 15, 2017, at 15:04, Wayne Burdick &lt;

> n6kr@

> &gt; wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> Based on info from dxmaps.com, 15 meters should be open. Hearing a few
>> signals.
>> 
>> If you?d like to participate in a 15 meter ?flash mob? experiment, please
>> drop by on 21040 +/- 5 kHz. Initially, callsigns ending in A-L listen,
>> M-Z call CQ (myself included).
>> 
>> Not a contest, no rules, no award credit, just an excuse to get on the
>> air.
>> 
>> 73,
>> Wayne
>> N6KR
>> 
>> 
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From n6kr at elecraft.com  Sat Jul 15 17:01:02 2017
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2017 14:01:02 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Flash mob experiment, 21040 +/- 5 kHz,
 now until 2100 Z
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Made five solid QSOs, all to the north of my QTH (WA, OR, ID). 

Now, back to chores....

Wayne
N6KR


> On Jul 15, 2017, at 1:56 PM, ab2tc <ab2tc at arrl.net> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> 15m totally dead here in CNY. 20m has a fairly good opening to Europe and
> ME.
> 
> AB2TC - Knut
> 
> 
> Dave-7 wrote
>> Nothing heard near Mobile, AL. Called CQ a few times but got no response.
>> Most recent digisonde data shows MUF of 16 MHz. That might be why we're
>> not hearing much.
>> 
>> 73 de dave
>> ab9ca/4
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jul 15, 2017, at 15:04, Wayne Burdick &lt;
> 
>> n6kr@
> 
>> &gt; wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> Based on info from dxmaps.com, 15 meters should be open. Hearing a few
>>> signals.
>>> 
>>> If you?d like to participate in a 15 meter ?flash mob? experiment, please
>>> drop by on 21040 +/- 5 kHz. Initially, callsigns ending in A-L listen,
>>> M-Z call CQ (myself included).
>>> 
>>> Not a contest, no rules, no award credit, just an excuse to get on the
>>> air.
>>> 
>>> 73,
>>> Wayne
>>> N6KR
>>> 
>>> 
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From n6kr at elecraft.com  Sat Jul 15 17:01:57 2017
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2017 14:01:57 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] Re:  Flash mob experiment, 21040 +/- 5 kHz,
 now until 2100 Z
In-Reply-To: <CACS9R7x27jrUpfFaUFTpZN9r+zkbmUCtXUbpWpqh8t9SmtDi1g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <B680D124-3ECB-4FF3-861B-CEF3239C7383@elecraft.com>
	<41157150-E0EC-4F5C-A391-B790316C2922@arrl.net>
	<55CED72C-7AEA-4DEE-9EDE-8F818150A39C@elecraft.com>
	<CACS9R7x27jrUpfFaUFTpZN9r+zkbmUCtXUbpWpqh8t9SmtDi1g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4D0EFDCB-E3E3-4A06-AC0C-DC0D87BFF75C@elecraft.com>

> Thanks, Wayne. You were a solid 559 here in Idaho. My KX3 was able to "phone home."  You made my day!
> 
> 73,
> John W7SAG


E.T. = Elecraft Transceiver? :)

Wayne





From pubx1 at af2z.net  Sat Jul 15 17:17:24 2017
From: pubx1 at af2z.net (Drew AF2Z)
Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2017 17:17:24 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Interesting meter
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Oh, I don't have any experience with that monster, but I believe the swr 
balance is tuned as follows:

There are several SWR meter switch positions on the panel, say 10:1, 
5:1, and 2:1. In the 10:1 position if the SWR is less than 10 the meter 
will be in the green; if more than 10 it will be in the red. Once you 
get it into the green you'd switch to the 5:1 position and again tune 
for the green; then the same in the 2:1 position for minimum green 
reading. Whew!

(Personally, I prefer to leave my own manual SWR meter on Reflected 
Power. If there are less than a few watts reflected then good enough for 
govt work, haha... No switching, calibrating, etc.)


73,
Drew
AF2Z


On 07/15/17 16:14, ab2tc wrote:
> Hi Drew,
> 
> Looks like like you nailed that one. The meter is clearly visible near the
> center of the rack. Before this OT thread is shut down, can you let us know
> what an "SWR Balance Meter" is?
> 
> AB2TC - Knut
> 
> 
> Drew AF2Z wrote
>> Looks like an SWR Balance Meter for an AN/SRT-14 MF/HF transmitter or
>> associated coupler/tuner:
>>
>> http://www.virhistory.com/navy/xmtrs/srt14-99.jpg
>>
>>
>> 73,
>> Drew
>> AF2Z
>>
>>
>>
>> On 07/13/17 23:22, Howard Hoyt wrote:
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I figured maybe one of you was, um, experienced enough to recognize this
>>> meter and let me know what piece of equipment it came from.  I found it
>>> in a cache of old broadcast equipment, so it is possible it was part of
>>> an old carrier current transmitter or some other such thing.  This is
>>> the link to the picture:
>>>
>>> https://proaudioeng.com/swr-meter/
>>>
>>> Cheers & 73,
>>>
>>> Howie - WA4PSC
>>>
>> <snip>
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From rask1553 at bellsouth.net  Sat Jul 15 17:31:43 2017
From: rask1553 at bellsouth.net (Michael Raskin)
Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2017 17:31:43 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] T1
Message-ID: <8EB525282E26410F923E129363A15CB0@DESKTOPFSUHCE9>

T1 is spoken for, pending payment.  Thanks for all the interest.

Mike, W4UM

From na5n at zianet.com  Sat Jul 15 17:44:31 2017
From: na5n at zianet.com (na5n at zianet.com)
Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2017 15:44:31 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] Flash mob experiment, 21040 +/- 5 kHz,
 now until  2100 Z
In-Reply-To: <0EE30412-6D23-400D-ACCB-7CB113B17C52@elecraft.com>
References: <B680D124-3ECB-4FF3-861B-CEF3239C7383@elecraft.com>
	<ABA2730E-5F06-4A2C-BBB1-534B997AD9C8@gmail.com>
	<1500152169746-7632451.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<0EE30412-6D23-400D-ACCB-7CB113B17C52@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <20170715214431.12011.qmail@modulo.zianet.com>

Wayne Burdick writes:

> Made five solid QSOs, all to the north of my QTH (WA, OR, ID).

All the ionized air must be over the west coast for north-south  
propagation.  Didn't hear a single signal on 15M here in NM.  20M is not  
much better at the moment, but at least a few signals.  Still in a mild  
radiation storm from that M2 solar and proton flare Thursday night.

72, Paul NA5N/KX2

From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Sat Jul 15 19:05:31 2017
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2017 18:05:31 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] New Digital Mode and K3S Frequency Accuracy
In-Reply-To: <alpine.BSF.2.20.1707160318270.3472@tara>
References: <B680D124-3ECB-4FF3-861B-CEF3239C7383@elecraft.com>
	<CAFYRpHsNaK_VmpGBTiw5zDonRb6PqC_LqOcdPYDWGM907=aWUg@mail.gmail.com>
	<alpine.BSF.2.20.1707160318270.3472@tara>
Message-ID: <ed08907e-0035-36f1-65a9-0396997e1d31@blomand.net>

I know many of you are a CW die hard, but have you tried the new digital 
mode FT-8?   It is from Joe Taylor, WSJT-X version 1.8.0-rc1.   Easy to 
get up and running.   Specially a breeze with the K3S and its USB 
communications.     It makes JT-65 and other modes appear like watching 
an Oak tree grow.   The T/R times are 15 seconds and it decodes about 20 
dB deeper than previous versions.

It also has a very nice receiver calibration mode.   I find that on most 
bands my K3S is reported to have less than 1/2 Hz  error. {Big smile!}

73

Bob K4TAX

K3S s/n 10163


On 7/15/2017 10:21 PM, Jessie Oberreuter wrote:
>
> Max,
>
>      I know the feeling.  We're also in the middle of the CQ VHF 
> Contest :).
>
> Wayne,
>
>      Thanks for the nice qso on 15 :).  It was a nice little break 
> from spinning the beams and working the noise on 6 & 2 :). SubRx in 
> the K3 makes it easy to listen omni and beam at the same time :).
>
>
>
> On Sat, 15 Jul 2017, M. George wrote:
>
>> Wayne, the NAQP RTTY contesting going on... it started at 1800Z 
>> today.  It
>> goes for 12 hours.  There are a lot of signals on 15 meters, about 
>> half as
>> many as I'm seeing on 20 meters here in Utah.
>>
>> Max NG7M
>>
>> On Sat, Jul 15, 2017 at 2:04 PM, Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com> 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> Based on info from dxmaps.com, 15 meters should be open. Hearing a few
>>> signals.
>>>
>>> If you?d like to participate in a 15 meter ?flash mob? experiment, 
>>> please
>>> drop by on 21040 +/- 5 kHz. Initially, callsigns ending in A-L 
>>> listen, M-Z
>>> call CQ (myself included).
>>>
>>> Not a contest, no rules, no award credit, just an excuse to get on 
>>> the air.
>>>
>>> 73,
>>> Wayne
>>> N6KR
>>>
>>>
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>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -- 
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From ghyoungman at gmail.com  Sat Jul 15 19:06:56 2017
From: ghyoungman at gmail.com (Grant Youngman)
Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2017 19:06:56 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Interesting meter
In-Reply-To: <0FEAD0DE-DA00-409B-98BB-6C8BCE591ED7@gmail.com>
References: <55b06d42-9200-3e07-a9b1-dcb4c45b52c3@mebtel.net>
	<db2e3e20-8fe2-fb12-d6d4-986d48998608@af2z.net>
	<0FEAD0DE-DA00-409B-98BB-6C8BCE591ED7@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <33B32ECD-52F2-4557-8984-68655EB70654@gmail.com>

It's around 500 watts above 2 (or 3 -- don't remember) MHz. 

Grant NQ5T

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 15, 2017, at 4:12 PM, Vic Rosenthal <k2vco.vic at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> A  100-watt output transmitter (with a 4-400 final!) and antenna tuner, in a 6-foot rack. Equivalent to the tx section of my K3. Talk about "battleship construction!"
> Lots of knobs for those who complain that the K3 has too few.
> 
> Vic 4X6GP 
> 
>> On 15 Jul 2017, at 22:37, Drew AF2Z <pubx1 at af2z.net> wrote:
>> 
>> Looks like an SWR Balance Meter for an AN/SRT-14 MF/HF transmitter or associated coupler/tuner:
>> 
>> http://www.virhistory.com/navy/xmtrs/srt14-99.jpg
>> 
>> 
>> 73,
>> Drew
>> AF2Z
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 07/13/17 23:22, Howard Hoyt wrote:
>>> Hi all,
>>> I figured maybe one of you was, um, experienced enough to recognize this meter and let me know what piece of equipment it came from.  I found it in a cache of old broadcast equipment, so it is possible it was part of an old carrier current transmitter or some other such thing.  This is the link to the picture:
>>> https://proaudioeng.com/swr-meter/
>>> Cheers & 73,
>>> Howie - WA4PSC
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From n6kr at elecraft.com  Sat Jul 15 20:53:38 2017
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2017 17:53:38 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Really OT: Inside-the-vehicle HF antennas (possible
	bonus points)
Message-ID: <57162321-F76E-4E08-AC32-106D45A5F70A@elecraft.com>

I?m dealing with one of the last unsolved problems in amateur radio: how to operate HF mobile without an antenna. At least not one that, according to some vehicle co-owners/spouses, would defile your new sedan.

For 10 bonus points that have only philosophical value, your challenge is to create an invisible mobile antenna and actually make a QSO on it. For practical purposes (i.e., not frying the car or passengers) let?s say the maximum power level is 10 watts. The bands of interest are 40-10 meters.

Here are some ideas I?m considering:

- mag loop in the rear window
- thin wire loop on a roof rack 
- gamma match to the entire roof
- surface acoustic waves
- prayer

Other ideas?

Yes, I know this violates the laws of physics and bioethics. And I fully expect the car to generate debilitating levels of RFI. But isn?t this the least you?d expect from an unsolved problem? 

Thanks in advance,

Wayne
N6KR



From ai6ii at comcast.net  Sat Jul 15 21:04:32 2017
From: ai6ii at comcast.net (mike)
Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2017 18:04:32 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] [K3] Weighted knobs form 73CNC FOR SALE
Message-ID: <1500167072905-7632460.post@n2.nabble.com>

73CNC weighted Main Tuning and VFO B knobs in as new condition. Main tuning
knob has ball bearing finger dimple. Black. New cost $150. Asking $115
shipped insured CONTUS only. PayPal preferred. Picture available. Email
ai6ii (at) arrl (dot) net     73 ..mike AI6II



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From kkinderen at gmail.com  Sat Jul 15 21:06:41 2017
From: kkinderen at gmail.com (Kevin der Kinderen)
Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2017 21:06:41 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Really OT: Inside-the-vehicle HF antennas (possible
 bonus points)
In-Reply-To: <57162321-F76E-4E08-AC32-106D45A5F70A@elecraft.com>
References: <57162321-F76E-4E08-AC32-106D45A5F70A@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <CAFA9ujsax2EhHUNxtQh10Zo5VWwr4W7hnkmhh4MenR95v-KFfw@mail.gmail.com>

Have you considered an isotropic antenna? I understand it is an ideal
antenna that radiates in all directions and has no physical form. Sounds
like the perfect stealth antenna to me. I've seen them advertised in the
back of True Detective magazines alongside the x-ray glasses.

I was thinking a towed array like a submarine uses. They are pretty
stealthy but you might need to register them separately as a towed vehicle.

Wait - that's an idea. Trailer hitch and set up a trailer as a mobile
antenna farm.

73,
Kev K4VD


?

From mike.flowers at gmail.com  Sat Jul 15 21:22:44 2017
From: mike.flowers at gmail.com (Mike Flowers)
Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2017 18:22:44 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Really OT: Inside-the-vehicle HF antennas (possible
	bonus points)
In-Reply-To: <57162321-F76E-4E08-AC32-106D45A5F70A@elecraft.com>
References: <57162321-F76E-4E08-AC32-106D45A5F70A@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <5DC2C5C7-3C54-4FAE-9145-B05755B0F800@gmail.com>

You may want to have some minimum distance required for the QSO.   Two KC2s and a short length of coax would do the trick between two cars parked next to each other.  ;>)

-- Mike Flowers, K6MKF, NCDXC - "It's about DX!"

> On Jul 15, 2017, at 5:53 PM, Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com> wrote:
> 
> I?m dealing with one of the last unsolved problems in amateur radio: how to operate HF mobile without an antenna. At least not one that, according to some vehicle co-owners/spouses, would defile your new sedan.
> 
> For 10 bonus points that have only philosophical value, your challenge is to create an invisible mobile antenna and actually make a QSO on it. For practical purposes (i.e., not frying the car or passengers) let?s say the maximum power level is 10 watts. The bands of interest are 40-10 meters.
> 
> Here are some ideas I?m considering:
> 
> - mag loop in the rear window
> - thin wire loop on a roof rack 
> - gamma match to the entire roof
> - surface acoustic waves
> - prayer
> 
> Other ideas?
> 
> Yes, I know this violates the laws of physics and bioethics. And I fully expect the car to generate debilitating levels of RFI. But isn?t this the least you?d expect from an unsolved problem? 
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> 
> Wayne
> N6KR
> 
> 
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From n1al at sonic.net  Sat Jul 15 21:55:46 2017
From: n1al at sonic.net (Alan)
Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2017 18:55:46 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Really OT: Inside-the-vehicle HF antennas (possible
 bonus points)
In-Reply-To: <57162321-F76E-4E08-AC32-106D45A5F70A@elecraft.com>
References: <57162321-F76E-4E08-AC32-106D45A5F70A@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <49b0d9fb-8842-b7e0-d172-875b8a380a41@sonic.net>

One of my colleagues at HP told me he once made a CB antenna by feeding 
the front window of his car between the rear-view mirror and the dash. 
Basically a big slot antenna.  He claimed it worked great.  I don't 
remember how he said he matched it to 50 ohms.

Alan N1AL


On 07/15/2017 05:53 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
> I?m dealing with one of the last unsolved problems in amateur radio: how to operate HF mobile without an antenna. At least not one that, according to some vehicle co-owners/spouses, would defile your new sedan.
> 
> For 10 bonus points that have only philosophical value, your challenge is to create an invisible mobile antenna and actually make a QSO on it. For practical purposes (i.e., not frying the car or passengers) let?s say the maximum power level is 10 watts. The bands of interest are 40-10 meters.
> 
> Here are some ideas I?m considering:
> 
> - mag loop in the rear window
> - thin wire loop on a roof rack
> - gamma match to the entire roof
> - surface acoustic waves
> - prayer
> 
> Other ideas?
> 
> Yes, I know this violates the laws of physics and bioethics. And I fully expect the car to generate debilitating levels of RFI. But isn?t this the least you?d expect from an unsolved problem?
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> 
> Wayne
> N6KR
> 

From va3mw at portcredit.net  Sat Jul 15 21:57:46 2017
From: va3mw at portcredit.net (Michael Walker)
Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2017 21:57:46 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] W2 Software
Message-ID: <CA+33ts6QPePC4TV+SXAbRvk5vmsPpoznahKJ9N16adbGhXTdrg@mail.gmail.com>

To those who write software (not me.. .I just use it).

Is there any chance that we could have a 'compact' version of the W2
software display just like we have for the KPA500?

Just a thought.

Mike va3mw

From k6dgw at foothill.net  Sat Jul 15 21:58:41 2017
From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen)
Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2017 18:58:41 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] New Digital Mode and K3S Frequency Accuracy
In-Reply-To: <ed08907e-0035-36f1-65a9-0396997e1d31@blomand.net>
References: <B680D124-3ECB-4FF3-861B-CEF3239C7383@elecraft.com>
	<CAFYRpHsNaK_VmpGBTiw5zDonRb6PqC_LqOcdPYDWGM907=aWUg@mail.gmail.com>
	<alpine.BSF.2.20.1707160318270.3472@tara>
	<ed08907e-0035-36f1-65a9-0396997e1d31@blomand.net>
Message-ID: <3f403ec6-87d6-a0f0-011a-a744cdeead71@foothill.net>

Sorry, can't resist.  15 sec vs 47 sec is a 68% decrease in QSO time.  
So, I only have to wait for 32% of the paint to dry? [:-)

73,

Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

On 7/15/17 4:05 PM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote:
> I know many of you are a CW die hard, but have you tried the new 
> digital mode FT-8?   It is from Joe Taylor, WSJT-X version 1.8.0-rc1. 
> Easy to get up and running.   Specially a breeze with the K3S and its 
> USB communications.     It makes JT-65 and other modes appear like 
> watching an Oak tree grow.   The T/R times are 15 seconds and it 
> decodes about 20 dB deeper than previous versions.
>
> It also has a very nice receiver calibration mode.   I find that on 
> most bands my K3S is reported to have less than 1/2 Hz  error. {Big 
> smile!}
>
> 73
>
> Bob K4TAX
>
> K3S s/n 10163
>
>
> On 7/15/2017 10:21 PM, Jessie Oberreuter wrote:
>>
>> Max,
>>
>>      I know the feeling.  We're also in the middle of the CQ VHF 
>> Contest :).
>>
>> Wayne,
>>
>>      Thanks for the nice qso on 15 :).  It was a nice little break 
>> from spinning the beams and working the noise on 6 & 2 :). SubRx in 
>> the K3 makes it easy to listen omni and beam at the same time :).
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, 15 Jul 2017, M. George wrote:
>>
>>> Wayne, the NAQP RTTY contesting going on... it started at 1800Z 
>>> today.  It
>>> goes for 12 hours.  There are a lot of signals on 15 meters, about 
>>> half as
>>> many as I'm seeing on 20 meters here in Utah.
>>>
>>> Max NG7M
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jul 15, 2017 at 2:04 PM, Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com> 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> Based on info from dxmaps.com, 15 meters should be open. Hearing a few
>>>> signals.
>>>>
>>>> If you?d like to participate in a 15 meter ?flash mob? experiment, 
>>>> please
>>>> drop by on 21040 +/- 5 kHz. Initially, callsigns ending in A-L 
>>>> listen, M-Z
>>>> call CQ (myself included).
>>>>
>>>> Not a contest, no rules, no award credit, just an excuse to get on 
>>>> the air.
>>>>
>>>> 73,
>>>> Wayne
>>>> N6KR
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ______________________________________________________________
>>>> Elecraft mailing list
>>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> M. George
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From kevinr at coho.net  Sat Jul 15 22:43:26 2017
From: kevinr at coho.net (kevinr at coho.net)
Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2017 19:43:26 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Announcement
Message-ID: <577a6075-cace-3789-2cbc-b7902129244b@coho.net>

Good Evening,

The dry season must be here; at least it has not rained in over two 
weeks.  Only the morning fog has relieved us from the sight of the sun.  
Not having it for six months a year makes us sensitive to light :)  The 
population of small aircraft has increased.  I live just below the 
aircraft beacon for the area which gets used by all types: commercial 
and military craft as well as the propeller driven and rotary wing types.

Our sun decided to show us a burst of activity.  Only a day ago it sent 
a stream of ions our way.  Hopefully the reactivated Heaviside layer 
will give us some good propagation.

Please join us tomorrow on:
    14050 kHz at 2200z Sunday (3 PM PDT Sunday)
     7045 kHz at 0000z Monday (5 PM PDT Sunday)

     73,
         Kevin. KD5ONS

-


From mike.chowning at mgccc.org  Sat Jul 15 22:53:29 2017
From: mike.chowning at mgccc.org (Michael Chowning)
Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2017 22:53:29 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Really OT: Inside-the-vehicle HF antennas (possible
 bonus points)
In-Reply-To: <57162321-F76E-4E08-AC32-106D45A5F70A@elecraft.com>
References: <57162321-F76E-4E08-AC32-106D45A5F70A@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <AAA9FAED-971F-4BAF-A5B0-69F0FC5CF552@mgccc.org>

Spouse proof mobile antenna on that new car:

1) go to a customizing shop, and have them remove your sunroof
2) take the sunroof to a custom glass shop, have them lay out one layer of shatterproof glass
3) you lay out appropriate length thin wire on the glass according to the frequencies you desire; be sure to provide wire lead out
4) have the glass fabricators carefully sandwich another layer of glass
5) take glass sunroof back to the customizing shop to be re-installed
6) for extra bonus points, remember most sunroof tilt up a few degrees, giving it a modicum of directionality
7) for a whole lot of bonus points, tell the customizing shop you want the sunroof to pop up a foot above and for you to be able to rotate it at least a 180 degrees, since there is electrical power, you could even motorized it.

Now all you have to do, is get permission to rack mount your radio in place of the passenger seat.
Seriously, here is a link from Ohio State Unversity on experimental antennas in clothes of the military.

https://news.osu.edu/news/2011/08/22/antcloth/
  
Mike, N8TTR

> On Jul 15, 2017, at 8:53 PM, Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com> wrote:
> 
> I?m dealing with one of the last unsolved problems in amateur radio: how to operate HF mobile without an antenna. At least not one that, according to some vehicle co-owners/spouses, would defile your new sedan.
> 
> For 10 bonus points that have only philosophical value, your challenge is to create an invisible mobile antenna and actually make a QSO on it. For practical purposes (i.e., not frying the car or passengers) let?s say the maximum power level is 10 watts. The bands of interest are 40-10 meters.
> 
> Here are some ideas I?m considering:
> 
> - mag loop in the rear window
> - thin wire loop on a roof rack 
> - gamma match to the entire roof
> - surface acoustic waves
> - prayer
> 
> Other ideas?
> 
> Yes, I know this violates the laws of physics and bioethics. And I fully expect the car to generate debilitating levels of RFI. But isn?t this the least you?d expect from an unsolved problem? 
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> 
> Wayne
> N6KR
> 
> 
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From randy.ak4qk at gmail.com  Sat Jul 15 23:18:28 2017
From: randy.ak4qk at gmail.com (Randy Bright)
Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2017 22:18:28 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Really OT: Inside-the-vehicle HF antennas (possible
 bonus points)
In-Reply-To: <57162321-F76E-4E08-AC32-106D45A5F70A@elecraft.com>
References: <57162321-F76E-4E08-AC32-106D45A5F70A@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <CAF15Ws3n-jMSqcBwkqh4X11mCykg6nvReOvvjPGjzascY=i2ig@mail.gmail.com>

Would there be a way to repurpose the defrost wiring that is sandwiched
between the layers of glass in some back windows and use that thin wire for
your antenna?

Randy
AK4QK
Member Calhoun County Amateur Radio Assn.
NAQCC #6312

On Jul 15, 2017 7:54 PM, "Wayne Burdick" <n6kr at elecraft.com> wrote:

> I?m dealing with one of the last unsolved problems in amateur radio: how
> to operate HF mobile without an antenna. At least not one that, according
> to some vehicle co-owners/spouses, would defile your new sedan.
>
> For 10 bonus points that have only philosophical value, your challenge is
> to create an invisible mobile antenna and actually make a QSO on it. For
> practical purposes (i.e., not frying the car or passengers) let?s say the
> maximum power level is 10 watts. The bands of interest are 40-10 meters.
>
> Here are some ideas I?m considering:
>
> - mag loop in the rear window
> - thin wire loop on a roof rack
> - gamma match to the entire roof
> - surface acoustic waves
> - prayer
>
> Other ideas?
>
> Yes, I know this violates the laws of physics and bioethics. And I fully
> expect the car to generate debilitating levels of RFI. But isn?t this the
> least you?d expect from an unsolved problem?
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Wayne
> N6KR
>
>
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From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Sat Jul 15 23:37:29 2017
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2017 22:37:29 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Really OT: Inside-the-vehicle HF antennas (possible
 bonus points)
In-Reply-To: <CAF15Ws3n-jMSqcBwkqh4X11mCykg6nvReOvvjPGjzascY=i2ig@mail.gmail.com>
References: <57162321-F76E-4E08-AC32-106D45A5F70A@elecraft.com>
	<CAF15Ws3n-jMSqcBwkqh4X11mCykg6nvReOvvjPGjzascY=i2ig@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0d782e33-6c5a-04b7-a8fd-07d3a54a60ca@blomand.net>

Regarding the defrost heat element, there's two terminals, one on either 
side.  However with the resistance of the defrost wiring in the window, 
it might be more like a dummy load.  Of course one could just feed one 
side against the auto body, unless one drives a Corvette which is mostly 
plastic.   grrrr

Seems I recall a DDRR antenna which was a low profile, roof mountable 
antenna.   The 40M version would be a bit large with a diameter of some 
9 ft, although one might reduce the size and still make a 40M - 10M of 
reasonable dimensions with reasonable efficiency.

73

Bob, K4TAX

K3S s/n 10163



> On Jul 15, 2017 7:54 PM, "Wayne Burdick" <n6kr at elecraft.com> wrote:
>
>> I?m dealing with one of the last unsolved problems in amateur radio: how
>> to operate HF mobile without an antenna. At least not one that, according
>> to some vehicle co-owners/spouses, would defile your new sedan.
>>
>> For 10 bonus points that have only philosophical value, your challenge is
>> to create an invisible mobile antenna and actually make a QSO on it. For
>> practical purposes (i.e., not frying the car or passengers) let?s say the
>> maximum power level is 10 watts. The bands of interest are 40-10 meters.
>>
>> Here are some ideas I?m considering:
>>
>> - mag loop in the rear window
>> - thin wire loop on a roof rack
>> - gamma match to the entire roof
>> - surface acoustic waves
>> - prayer
>>
>> Other ideas?
>>
>> Yes, I know this violates the laws of physics and bioethics. And I fully
>> expect the car to generate debilitating levels of RFI. But isn?t this the
>> least you?d expect from an unsolved problem?
>>
>> Thanks in advance,
>>
>> Wayne
>> N6KR
>>
>>
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From petebarth at gmail.com  Sun Jul 16 03:14:30 2017
From: petebarth at gmail.com (Pete Barth)
Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2017 00:14:30 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Inside-the-vehicle HF antennas.
Message-ID: <CAMEw30gAXnjGLk1K=BsOKGWf5==Kj_dWkDxm_UBH1749BGw3KQ@mail.gmail.com>

1)  For years now I have built a unique rx. am/fm antenna UNDER my
beautiful red '65 Alfa Romeo Spyder Veloce.
I didn't want to pierce the body to install the antenna so I ran coax
under the car and ran one wire from front to back under the car about
three inches from the chassis. It works. No hash, no fading.
2)  From '74 to '89 I installed a loop all around the top of my 28
foot RV. Fed with balanced line thru a Johnson 500 Matchbox. But I did
run around 100 watts. Loaded on all bands, It got out, not sure how
efficient. Fiberglass roof.
Every two years a tree would wipe it out. Also always had a Hustler
whip on the rear bumper too.
3)  On my BMW cruiser I had a Icom 706 with remote head into a
screwdriver. Ran copper 2 inch strap from the front wheel all the way
back to the rear box. Ran 80 thru 10 with a separate second mike in my
helmet. Most efficient when I also ran a trailing stringer
counterpoise with # 28 wire and a cloth cloth strip at the end to hold
it up into the air.
I had a Palm paddle and a miniature Morse Express Christmas straight
key on the right handlebar right next to the throttle.
Late at night on the interstate at 70 mph, with the cruise control on,
would work 20 meter CW. I signed W6LAW/ MM.
People would say Maritime Mobile?? I would say no, motorcycle mobile.
Also had 2 mtr./ 220/ 440 mc to three separate whips up high on a
panel to rear of the back luggage box.
Box had all the radios/ booster gel cell battery.
I had only one problem.... the RF would sometimes knock off the cruise
control on 15 meters when I ran 100 watts. Bypass caps/ filters never
did cure it.
The trailing wire really did help tho. It would lay down on the ground
when I stopped, and would sometimes get snapped off. I had many spares
ready. The MARC (Motorcycle Amateur Radio Club) out here in southern
california got me started on this thing.
I will try a loop around the rear plastic rear window on the rag top with my K2.
===================
I?m dealing with one of the last unsolved problems in amateur radio:
how to operate HF mobile without an antenna. At least not one that,
according to some vehicle co-owners/spouses, would defile your new
sedan.
For 10 bonus points that have only philosophical value, your challenge
is to create an invisible mobile antenna and actually make a QSO on
it. For practical purposes (i.e., not frying the car or passengers)
let?s say the maximum power level is 10 watts. The bands of interest
are 40-10 meters.
-- 
Pete / ??? / W6LAW
323 460-7018    Hollywood home
323 461-7018    Pete cell
559 800-7897    Fresno home

From g3rce1 at gmail.com  Sun Jul 16 07:25:18 2017
From: g3rce1 at gmail.com (Robert Allbright)
Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2017 12:25:18 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] New Digital Mode and K3S Frequency Accuracy
In-Reply-To: <3f403ec6-87d6-a0f0-011a-a744cdeead71@foothill.net>
References: <B680D124-3ECB-4FF3-861B-CEF3239C7383@elecraft.com>
	<CAFYRpHsNaK_VmpGBTiw5zDonRb6PqC_LqOcdPYDWGM907=aWUg@mail.gmail.com>
	<alpine.BSF.2.20.1707160318270.3472@tara>
	<ed08907e-0035-36f1-65a9-0396997e1d31@blomand.net>
	<3f403ec6-87d6-a0f0-011a-a744cdeead71@foothill.net>
Message-ID: <CAN0z1667i_0MebHreYLdOysRkEsESufwTB8KVG-z1iQyJDwmVA@mail.gmail.com>

All modes have their uses and popularity.
With FT8 one may initially find it easier to use by unticking the auto sync
box ?
I have been really enjoying this new mode ?
73
Rob G3RCE


On Jul 16, 2017 02:59, "Fred Jensen" <k6dgw at foothill.net> wrote:

Sorry, can't resist.  15 sec vs 47 sec is a 68% decrease in QSO time.  So,
I only have to wait for 32% of the paint to dry? [:-)

73,

Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County


On 7/15/17 4:05 PM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote:

> I know many of you are a CW die hard, but have you tried the new digital
> mode FT-8?   It is from Joe Taylor, WSJT-X version 1.8.0-rc1. Easy to get
> up and running.   Specially a breeze with the K3S and its USB
> communications.     It makes JT-65 and other modes appear like watching an
> Oak tree grow.   The T/R times are 15 seconds and it decodes about 20 dB
> deeper than previous versions.
>
> It also has a very nice receiver calibration mode.   I find that on most
> bands my K3S is reported to have less than 1/2 Hz  error. {Big smile!}
>
> 73
>
> Bob K4TAX
>
> K3S s/n 10163
>
>
> On 7/15/2017 10:21 PM, Jessie Oberreuter wrote:
>
>>
>> Max,
>>
>>      I know the feeling.  We're also in the middle of the CQ VHF Contest
>> :).
>>
>> Wayne,
>>
>>      Thanks for the nice qso on 15 :).  It was a nice little break from
>> spinning the beams and working the noise on 6 & 2 :). SubRx in the K3 makes
>> it easy to listen omni and beam at the same time :).
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, 15 Jul 2017, M. George wrote:
>>
>> Wayne, the NAQP RTTY contesting going on... it started at 1800Z today.  It
>>> goes for 12 hours.  There are a lot of signals on 15 meters, about half
>>> as
>>> many as I'm seeing on 20 meters here in Utah.
>>>
>>> Max NG7M
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jul 15, 2017 at 2:04 PM, Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> Based on info from dxmaps.com, 15 meters should be open. Hearing a few
>>>> signals.
>>>>
>>>> If you?d like to participate in a 15 meter ?flash mob? experiment,
>>>> please
>>>> drop by on 21040 +/- 5 kHz. Initially, callsigns ending in A-L listen,
>>>> M-Z
>>>> call CQ (myself included).
>>>>
>>>> Not a contest, no rules, no award credit, just an excuse to get on the
>>>> air.
>>>>
>>>> 73,
>>>> Wayne
>>>> N6KR
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>
>>>
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From w2up at comcast.net  Sun Jul 16 08:35:05 2017
From: w2up at comcast.net (Barry)
Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2017 05:35:05 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] Really OT: Inside-the-vehicle HF antennas (possible
 bonus points)
In-Reply-To: <CAF15Ws3n-jMSqcBwkqh4X11mCykg6nvReOvvjPGjzascY=i2ig@mail.gmail.com>
References: <57162321-F76E-4E08-AC32-106D45A5F70A@elecraft.com>
	<CAF15Ws3n-jMSqcBwkqh4X11mCykg6nvReOvvjPGjzascY=i2ig@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1500208505543-7632472.post@n2.nabble.com>

Even if you can get something to radiate, there's always the issue of RFI to
the car's electronics.  Careful!

Barry W2UP



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From kevin at ve3syb.ca  Sun Jul 16 09:33:29 2017
From: kevin at ve3syb.ca (Kevin Cozens)
Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2017 09:33:29 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Really OT: Inside-the-vehicle HF antennas (possible
 bonus points)
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On 2017-07-15 11:18 PM, Randy Bright wrote:
> Would there be a way to repurpose the defrost wiring that is sandwiched
> between the layers of glass in some back windows and use that thin wire for
> your antenna?

I was going to mention this. I'm sure that I have read about someone who has 
done that. I don't remember if they used the existing wiring in the rear 
window or had it redone so it still looked like defrost wiring.

-- 
Cheers!

Kevin.

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Owner of Elecraft K2 #2172      | the mouth-breathers, and that's why we're
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From bill4070 at gmail.com  Sun Jul 16 10:38:51 2017
From: bill4070 at gmail.com (Bill Schwantes)
Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2017 08:38:51 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Digital Voice Recorder Offset
Message-ID: <CAFyNi8729cn-ssnhOoybzTPyVK86Ej+UwcjWK3eu3w93Vg=AgQ@mail.gmail.com>

I have an older K3 with the digital voice recorder.  When I play a
digitally recorded message the monitored audio makes it sound like I?m
listening to a sideband station that?s tuned a couple hundred cycles high.
Others who hear my transmitted signal do not hear this offset.  Does anyone
have ideas why this happens and how to correct it?



73 Bill W7QQ

From ron at cobi.biz  Sun Jul 16 13:04:53 2017
From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire)
Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2017 10:04:53 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Really OT: Inside-the-vehicle HF antennas (possible
	bonus points)
In-Reply-To: <CAF15Ws3n-jMSqcBwkqh4X11mCykg6nvReOvvjPGjzascY=i2ig@mail.gmail.com>
References: <57162321-F76E-4E08-AC32-106D45A5F70A@elecraft.com>
	<CAF15Ws3n-jMSqcBwkqh4X11mCykg6nvReOvvjPGjzascY=i2ig@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000001d2fe55$a50b1d50$ef2157f0$@biz>

I thought that was how FM antennas were implemented in some cars already, but without using resistance wire. 

73, Ron AC7AC

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Saturday, July 15, 2017 8:18 PM
To: Wayne Burdick
Cc: Elecraft Reflector
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Really OT: Inside-the-vehicle HF antennas (possible bonus points)

Would there be a way to repurpose the defrost wiring that is sandwiched between the layers of glass in some back windows and use that thin wire for your antenna?

Randy
AK4QK
Member Calhoun County Amateur Radio Assn.
NAQCC #6312

On Jul 15, 2017 7:54 PM, "Wayne Burdick" <n6kr at elecraft.com> wrote:

> I?m dealing with one of the last unsolved problems in amateur radio: 
> how to operate HF mobile without an antenna. At least not one that, 
> according to some vehicle co-owners/spouses, would defile your new sedan.
>
> For 10 bonus points that have only philosophical value, your challenge 
> is to create an invisible mobile antenna and actually make a QSO on 
> it. For practical purposes (i.e., not frying the car or passengers) 
> let?s say the maximum power level is 10 watts. The bands of interest are 40-10 meters.
>
> Here are some ideas I?m considering:
>
> - mag loop in the rear window
> - thin wire loop on a roof rack
> - gamma match to the entire roof
> - surface acoustic waves
> - prayer
>
> Other ideas?
>
> Yes, I know this violates the laws of physics and bioethics. And I 
> fully expect the car to generate debilitating levels of RFI. But isn?t 
> this the least you?d expect from an unsolved problem?
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Wayne
> N6KR
>
>
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From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Sun Jul 16 13:28:54 2017
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2017 10:28:54 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] New Digital Mode and K3S Frequency Accuracy
In-Reply-To: <3f403ec6-87d6-a0f0-011a-a744cdeead71@foothill.net>
References: <B680D124-3ECB-4FF3-861B-CEF3239C7383@elecraft.com>
	<CAFYRpHsNaK_VmpGBTiw5zDonRb6PqC_LqOcdPYDWGM907=aWUg@mail.gmail.com>
	<alpine.BSF.2.20.1707160318270.3472@tara>
	<ed08907e-0035-36f1-65a9-0396997e1d31@blomand.net>
	<3f403ec6-87d6-a0f0-011a-a744cdeead71@foothill.net>
Message-ID: <1c01a975-be2b-6141-f1f2-ad06e3c8454e@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On 7/15/2017 6:58 PM, Fred Jensen wrote:
> 15 sec vs 47 sec is a 68% decrease in QSO time.  So, I only have to 
> wait for 32% of the paint to dry? [:-) 

Hi Fred,

I spent a lot of time with FT8 yesterday in CQ VHF, and found it to be 
pretty fast paced. I'd say the rate was at least as good as QRP SSB 
during a DX contest! I made 47 QSOs yesterday, only one on SSB, none on 
CW. The FT8 window was jumping as long as the band was open, and I'd 
guess that at least half of the QSOs would not have been possible on 
SSB, and many not on CW. And I picked up four new grids.

73, Jim K9YC


From k6dgw at foothill.net  Sun Jul 16 13:37:31 2017
From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen)
Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2017 10:37:31 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Really OT: Inside-the-vehicle HF antennas (possible
 bonus points)
In-Reply-To: <0d782e33-6c5a-04b7-a8fd-07d3a54a60ca@blomand.net>
References: <57162321-F76E-4E08-AC32-106D45A5F70A@elecraft.com>
	<CAF15Ws3n-jMSqcBwkqh4X11mCykg6nvReOvvjPGjzascY=i2ig@mail.gmail.com>
	<0d782e33-6c5a-04b7-a8fd-07d3a54a60ca@blomand.net>
Message-ID: <ecbe2431-5bf0-87fb-f3be-23c11cc4e6fc@foothill.net>

The Southern Pacific RR [now Union Pacific] used 160 MHz DDRR antennas 
on some of their signalling equipment. Generally on top of a big steel 
box beside the track(s).  Had a base plate bolted to the box, and a 
single 25-30 cm element, parallel to the top of the box, spaced about 
6-7 cm above it.  The whole antenna looked like it was cast in one 
piece.  For 20 m, it would be significantly larger, but might be 
disguised as, or in, a roof rack.  A lot of folks drive around with 
stuff piled on their cars these days.

http://www.orionmicro.com/ant/ddrr/ddrr1.htm has some design info

73,

Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

On 7/15/17 8:37 PM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote:
> Regarding the defrost heat element, there's two terminals, one on 
> either side.  However with the resistance of the defrost wiring in the 
> window, it might be more like a dummy load.  Of course one could just 
> feed one side against the auto body, unless one drives a Corvette 
> which is mostly plastic.   grrrr
>
> Seems I recall a DDRR antenna which was a low profile, roof mountable 
> antenna.   The 40M version would be a bit large with a diameter of 
> some 9 ft, although one might reduce the size and still make a 40M - 
> 10M of reasonable dimensions with reasonable efficiency.
>
> 73
>
> Bob, K4TAX
>
> K3S s/n 10163
>
>
>
>> On Jul 15, 2017 7:54 PM, "Wayne Burdick" <n6kr at elecraft.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I?m dealing with one of the last unsolved problems in amateur radio: 
>>> how
>>> to operate HF mobile without an antenna. At least not one that, 
>>> according
>>> to some vehicle co-owners/spouses, would defile your new sedan.
>>>
>>> For 10 bonus points that have only philosophical value, your 
>>> challenge is
>>> to create an invisible mobile antenna and actually make a QSO on it. 
>>> For
>>> practical purposes (i.e., not frying the car or passengers) let?s 
>>> say the
>>> maximum power level is 10 watts. The bands of interest are 40-10 
>>> meters.
>>>
>>> Here are some ideas I?m considering:
>>>
>>> - mag loop in the rear window
>>> - thin wire loop on a roof rack
>>> - gamma match to the entire roof
>>> - surface acoustic waves
>>> - prayer
>>>
>>> Other ideas?
>>>
>>> Yes, I know this violates the laws of physics and bioethics. And I 
>>> fully
>>> expect the car to generate debilitating levels of RFI. But isn?t 
>>> this the
>>> least you?d expect from an unsolved problem?
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance,
>>>
>>> Wayne
>>> N6KR
>>>
>>>
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From k6dgw at foothill.net  Sun Jul 16 13:48:58 2017
From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen)
Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2017 10:48:58 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] New Digital Mode and K3S Frequency Accuracy
In-Reply-To: <1c01a975-be2b-6141-f1f2-ad06e3c8454e@audiosystemsgroup.com>
References: <B680D124-3ECB-4FF3-861B-CEF3239C7383@elecraft.com>
	<CAFYRpHsNaK_VmpGBTiw5zDonRb6PqC_LqOcdPYDWGM907=aWUg@mail.gmail.com>
	<alpine.BSF.2.20.1707160318270.3472@tara>
	<ed08907e-0035-36f1-65a9-0396997e1d31@blomand.net>
	<3f403ec6-87d6-a0f0-011a-a744cdeead71@foothill.net>
	<1c01a975-be2b-6141-f1f2-ad06e3c8454e@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Message-ID: <50bbe86e-4749-7b9c-697a-915cafee378a@foothill.net>

Just kidding Jim, I exercised several of the WSJT modes some time back 
and was amazed at the copy on signals I simply couldn't hear [although 
generally, most were strong enough to hear].  With the new synth, I even 
got up in the middle of the night to see if I could hear the signals 
WSPR was decoding on 474 Kcs, but never heard a peep.  The constrained 
QSO format of JT65/JT9 and the time it took just wasn't attractive for 
me.  To each his own.

73,

Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

On 7/16/17 10:28 AM, Jim Brown wrote:
> On 7/15/2017 6:58 PM, Fred Jensen wrote:
>> 15 sec vs 47 sec is a 68% decrease in QSO time.  So, I only have to 
>> wait for 32% of the paint to dry? [:-) 
>
> Hi Fred,
>
> I spent a lot of time with FT8 yesterday in CQ VHF, and found it to be 
> pretty fast paced. I'd say the rate was at least as good as QRP SSB 
> during a DX contest! I made 47 QSOs yesterday, only one on SSB, none 
> on CW. The FT8 window was jumping as long as the band was open, and 
> I'd guess that at least half of the QSOs would not have been possible 
> on SSB, and many not on CW. And I picked up four new grids.
>
> 73, Jim K9YC


From KY5G at montac.com  Sun Jul 16 13:52:19 2017
From: KY5G at montac.com (Clay Autery)
Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2017 12:52:19 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Really OT: Inside-the-vehicle HF antennas (possible
 bonus points)
In-Reply-To: <000001d2fe55$a50b1d50$ef2157f0$@biz>
References: <57162321-F76E-4E08-AC32-106D45A5F70A@elecraft.com>
	<CAF15Ws3n-jMSqcBwkqh4X11mCykg6nvReOvvjPGjzascY=i2ig@mail.gmail.com>
	<000001d2fe55$a50b1d50$ef2157f0$@biz>
Message-ID: <25d25ba4-c551-6fb4-0abb-1f24adbd9c96@montac.com>

Yep...  we owned at least one car growing up that had the antenna in the
windshield....  As I remember it, it came up from the bottom of the
center windshield... two parallel black (tiny) wires.  At the top they
each bent out toward the sides of the windshield about 2 inches from the
top... 1 inch diameter or so radius bend, and the horizontal runs were
somewhere around a foot long...

73,

______________________
Clay Autery, KY5G
MONTAC Enterprises
(318) 518-1389

On 7/16/2017 12:04 PM, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote:
> I thought that was how FM antennas were implemented in some cars already, but without using resistance wire. 
>
> 73, Ron AC7AC
>
>


From jim at n7us.net  Sun Jul 16 13:54:25 2017
From: jim at n7us.net (Jim N7US)
Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2017 12:54:25 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] [K3S] Soundcard levels
Message-ID: <00ea01d2fe5c$90ed41c0$b2c7c540$@n7us.net>

The Windows recording and playback levels of the soundcard in my K3S seem to
both be very sensitive.  For RTTY, other digital modes, and voice messages I
have the level set at only 5 for recording and 18 for playback.

 

I have my LIN OUT in the K3S set to only 5 for RTTY reception (recording)
and to 14 for digital mode TX (playback).

 

Maybe I'm confused or misunderstanding the settings or maybe I missed a step
in setting up the radio.

 

73, Jim N7US

 

 


From ch at murgatroid.com  Sun Jul 16 13:54:23 2017
From: ch at murgatroid.com (Christopher Hoover)
Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2017 10:54:23 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] New Digital Mode and K3S Frequency Accuracy
In-Reply-To: <ed08907e-0035-36f1-65a9-0396997e1d31@blomand.net>
References: <B680D124-3ECB-4FF3-861B-CEF3239C7383@elecraft.com>
	<CAFYRpHsNaK_VmpGBTiw5zDonRb6PqC_LqOcdPYDWGM907=aWUg@mail.gmail.com>
	<alpine.BSF.2.20.1707160318270.3472@tara>
	<ed08907e-0035-36f1-65a9-0396997e1d31@blomand.net>
Message-ID: <CACw0PsZdpYWMQs6+c+LXSCCSkA0eKPStEDAzhP7a-qmG4sgqfw@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Jul 15, 2017 at 4:05 PM, Bob McGraw K4TAX <rmcgraw at blomand.net>
wrote:

>  it decodes about 20 dB deeper than previous versions.
>

That's not right.

FT8  can decode down to -20 dB (AWGN channel).

JT65 can decode arbitrary messages down to -24 dB (and certain messages
down to -32 dB).

JT9  is 2 db more sensitive than JT65.

73 de AI6KG

From kwroberson at yahoo.com  Sun Jul 16 14:02:17 2017
From: kwroberson at yahoo.com (Ken Roberson)
Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2017 18:02:17 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] New Digital Mode and K3S Frequency Accuracy
In-Reply-To: <50bbe86e-4749-7b9c-697a-915cafee378a@foothill.net>
References: <B680D124-3ECB-4FF3-861B-CEF3239C7383@elecraft.com>
	<CAFYRpHsNaK_VmpGBTiw5zDonRb6PqC_LqOcdPYDWGM907=aWUg@mail.gmail.com>
	<alpine.BSF.2.20.1707160318270.3472@tara>
	<ed08907e-0035-36f1-65a9-0396997e1d31@blomand.net>
	<3f403ec6-87d6-a0f0-011a-a744cdeead71@foothill.net>
	<1c01a975-be2b-6141-f1f2-ad06e3c8454e@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<50bbe86e-4749-7b9c-697a-915cafee378a@foothill.net>
Message-ID: <638116858.1301093.1500228137220@mail.yahoo.com>

Just a note guys, Myself and many others are on 630 meters every night.John ( WH2XIQ) and Myself (WG2XXM) made the first FT8 qso on 630 m .The mode is very fast almost to fast hi hi.Set your dial to 474.2 upper side band or digi mode , my signal will be @ 1510 hz.on the wspr water water fall.73 all Ken K5DNL/WG2XXM


 

    On Sunday, July 16, 2017 12:53 PM, Fred Jensen <k6dgw at foothill.net> wrote:
 

 Just kidding Jim, I exercised several of the WSJT modes some time back 
and was amazed at the copy on signals I simply couldn't hear [although 
generally, most were strong enough to hear].? With the new synth, I even 
got up in the middle of the night to see if I could hear the signals 
WSPR was decoding on 474 Kcs, but never heard a peep.? The constrained 
QSO format of JT65/JT9 and the time it took just wasn't attractive for 
me.? To each his own.

73,

Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

On 7/16/17 10:28 AM, Jim Brown wrote:
> On 7/15/2017 6:58 PM, Fred Jensen wrote:
>> 15 sec vs 47 sec is a 68% decrease in QSO time.? So, I only have to 
>> wait for 32% of the paint to dry? [:-) 
>
> Hi Fred,
>
> I spent a lot of time with FT8 yesterday in CQ VHF, and found it to be 
> pretty fast paced. I'd say the rate was at least as good as QRP SSB 
> during a DX contest! I made 47 QSOs yesterday, only one on SSB, none 
> on CW. The FT8 window was jumping as long as the band was open, and 
> I'd guess that at least half of the QSOs would not have been possible 
> on SSB, and many not on CW. And I picked up four new grids.
>
> 73, Jim K9YC

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From w5sum at comcast.net  Sun Jul 16 14:24:09 2017
From: w5sum at comcast.net (Ronnie Hull)
Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2017 13:24:09 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] [K3S] Soundcard levels
In-Reply-To: <00ea01d2fe5c$90ed41c0$b2c7c540$@n7us.net>
References: <00ea01d2fe5c$90ed41c0$b2c7c540$@n7us.net>
Message-ID: <B2CBD8BB-ABC5-41BE-97D7-8F9F00DF703F@comcast.net>

Don't feel bad! Even with the upgrade board in my K3 that includes the onboard sound card I have never gotten any digital mode to work with my laptop or desktop
I quit

CW IT IS

W5SUM 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 16, 2017, at 12:54 PM, Jim N7US <jim at n7us.net> wrote:
> 
> The Windows recording and playback levels of the soundcard in my K3S seem to
> both be very sensitive.  For RTTY, other digital modes, and voice messages I
> have the level set at only 5 for recording and 18 for playback.
> 
> 
> 
> I have my LIN OUT in the K3S set to only 5 for RTTY reception (recording)
> and to 14 for digital mode TX (playback).
> 
> 
> 
> Maybe I'm confused or misunderstanding the settings or maybe I missed a step
> in setting up the radio.
> 
> 
> 
> 73, Jim N7US
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Sun Jul 16 14:34:52 2017
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2017 13:34:52 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] OT New Digital Mode and K3S Frequency Accuracy
In-Reply-To: <CACw0PsZdpYWMQs6+c+LXSCCSkA0eKPStEDAzhP7a-qmG4sgqfw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <B680D124-3ECB-4FF3-861B-CEF3239C7383@elecraft.com>
	<CAFYRpHsNaK_VmpGBTiw5zDonRb6PqC_LqOcdPYDWGM907=aWUg@mail.gmail.com>
	<alpine.BSF.2.20.1707160318270.3472@tara>
	<ed08907e-0035-36f1-65a9-0396997e1d31@blomand.net>
	<CACw0PsZdpYWMQs6+c+LXSCCSkA0eKPStEDAzhP7a-qmG4sgqfw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d9e74e2b-ae9a-db5a-2595-691223dfa500@blomand.net>

 From the WSJT-X site:https://physics.princeton.edu/pulsar/k1jt/wsjtx.html
73
Bob, K4TAX


NEW FEATURES IN WSJT-X Version 1.8.0
------------------------------------

1.  New mode called FT8: sensitivity down to -20 dB on the AWGN
     channel; QSOs 4 times faster than JT65 or JT9; auto-sequencing
     includes an option to respond automatically to first decoded reply
     to your CQ.

2.  New mode for accurate Frequency Calibration of your radio.

3.  Improved performance of decoders for JT65, QRA64, and MSK144.
     MSK144 includes facilities for amplitude and phase equalization
     and an "SWL" mode for short-format messages.
     
4.  Options to minimize screen space used by Main and Wide Graph
     windows.
     
5.  Enhanced management scheme for table of operating frequencies, and
     a new set of default frequencies specific to the three IARU
     Regions.
     
6.  Improved CAT control for many rigs, including those controlled
     through Commander or OmniRig.
     
7.  New keyboard shortcuts to set "Tx even/1st" ON or OFF.

8.  A number of (mostly minor) bug fixes and tweaks to the user
     interface.  For example: new behavior for the audio level slider;
     correctly logged QSO start times in certain situations; correct
     control of FT-891/991 and some other radios via rigctld.

At the time of the v1.8.0-rc1 release the following tasks are yet to
be completed:

1.  Updates to WSJT-X User Guide.
2.  Sample files for FT8.
3.  Enhanced FT8 decoding using AP ("a priori") information.
4.  Signal subtraction and multi-pass decoding for FT8.
5.  Option for FT8 to Auto-respond to the weakest responder to your CQ.


Installation packages for Windows, Linux, OS X, and Raspbian can be
downloaded from the WSJT web site:
http://physics.princeton.edu/pulsar/K1JT/wsjtx.html

Please send bug reports to either wsjtgroup at yahoogroups.com or
wsjt-devel at lists.sourceforge.net.  Such reports should include a full
prescription of steps to reproduce the undesired behavior.  You must
be a subscriber to post to either of these lists.


		Brief Description of the FT8 Protocol
		-------------------------------------

WSJT-X Version 1.8.0 includes a new mode called FT8, developed by K9AN
and K1JT.  The mode name "FT8" stands for "Franke and Taylor, 8-FSK
modulation".  FT8 uses 15-second T/R sequences, provides 50% or
better decoding probability down to -20 dB on an AWGN channel, and
maintains good performance on Doppler-spread fading channels.  An
auto-sequencing facility includes an option to respond automatically
to the first decoded reply to your CQ.  FT8 QSOs are 4 times faster
than those made with JT65 or JT9.  FT8 is an excellent mode for HF
DXing and for situations like multi-hop E_s on 6 meters, where deep
QSB may make fast and reliable completion of QSOs desirable.

Some important characteristics of FT8:

   - T/R sequence length: 15 s
   - Message length: 75 bits + 12-bit CRC
   - FEC code: LDPC(174,87)
   - Modulation: 8-FSK, tone spacing 6.25 Hz
   - Constant-envelope waveform
   - Occupied bandwidth: 50 Hz
   - Synchronization: 7x7 Costas arrays at start, middle, and end
   - Transmission duration: 79*1920/12000 = 12.64 s
   - Decoding threshold: -20 dB; several dB lower with AP decoding
   - Multi-decoder finds and decodes all FT8 signals in passband
   - Optional auto-sequencing and auto-reply to a CQ response
   - Operational behavior similar to JT9, JT65

We plan to implement signal subtraction, two-pass decoding, and use of
a prior (AP) information in the decoder.  These features are not yet
activated in v1.8.0.





From richardscottw at gmail.com  Sun Jul 16 15:02:41 2017
From: richardscottw at gmail.com (richardscott w)
Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2017 15:02:41 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] PSK63 D Tones?
Message-ID: <CAKtbT2neDmjxV+jaajSmbaY482uOWW+PiFZ-UJmAdLJdAKuAvg@mail.gmail.com>

I am a newbie when it comes to the digital modes and the KX3. The
following question may, therefore, be naive.

I have been experimenting using my Tentec transceiver to copy and send
APRS PSK63 beacons on 30 meters using the "APRS Messenger" software.
It seems to work fine using a Signalink USB sound card with the
program set for 2100Hz tones. I am tuned to 10.147.6 USB.

I want to try using the KX3 in PSK63 D mode to do the same thing, but
don't know what tone/shift the internal modem uses, so don't know what
frequency to tune the radio to. To quote WA8LMF:

"The actual transmitted RF frequency is the indicated suppressed
carrier frequency (i.e. "dial frequency") plus the audio tone
frequency (USB)  -or- the suppressed carrier frequency minus the audio
tone frequency (LSB).  The actual dial frequency you want WILL DEPEND
ON THE SIDEBAND YOU CHOOSE (either one will work) --AND-- ON THE
PARTICULAR AUDIO TONE FREQUENCY produced by the PSK program."

Up until now I have been using AFSK in USB mode to do these
experiments, and don't know how that translates when using a "direct"
PSK63 mode. How should I tune the KX3 to be spot on to the single RF
frequency for  30-meter PSK63 APRS operation, which is 10.149.700 MHz?
Any advice appreciated.

-Scott N3SW-

From dhaines at bates.edu  Sun Jul 16 15:09:01 2017
From: dhaines at bates.edu (David Haines)
Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2017 15:09:01 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] PSK63 D Tones?
In-Reply-To: <CAKtbT2neDmjxV+jaajSmbaY482uOWW+PiFZ-UJmAdLJdAKuAvg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKtbT2neDmjxV+jaajSmbaY482uOWW+PiFZ-UJmAdLJdAKuAvg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <29eaaaf7-6c29-cd4b-efb6-676bcdc847a0@bates.edu>

Scott:  Don't apologize for naive questions!  There are plenty of us 
newbies out here who appreciate
discussions about their rigs, as well as the really good answers that arise!

73,
david
New KX3 owner.
KC1DNY

On 7/16/2017 3:02 PM, richardscott w wrote:
> I am a newbie when it comes to the digital modes and the KX3. The
> following question may, therefore, be naive.
>
> I have been experimenting using my Tentec transceiver to copy and send
> APRS PSK63 beacons on 30 meters using the "APRS Messenger" software.
> It seems to work fine using a Signalink USB sound card with the
> program set for 2100Hz tones. I am tuned to 10.147.6 USB.
>
> I want to try using the KX3 in PSK63 D mode to do the same thing, but
> don't know what tone/shift the internal modem uses, so don't know what
> frequency to tune the radio to. To quote WA8LMF:
>
> "The actual transmitted RF frequency is the indicated suppressed
> carrier frequency (i.e. "dial frequency") plus the audio tone
> frequency (USB)  -or- the suppressed carrier frequency minus the audio
> tone frequency (LSB).  The actual dial frequency you want WILL DEPEND
> ON THE SIDEBAND YOU CHOOSE (either one will work) --AND-- ON THE
> PARTICULAR AUDIO TONE FREQUENCY produced by the PSK program."
>
> Up until now I have been using AFSK in USB mode to do these
> experiments, and don't know how that translates when using a "direct"
> PSK63 mode. How should I tune the KX3 to be spot on to the single RF
> frequency for  30-meter PSK63 APRS operation, which is 10.149.700 MHz?
> Any advice appreciated.
>
> -Scott N3SW-
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From wes_n7ws at triconet.org  Sun Jul 16 16:42:36 2017
From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes Stewart)
Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2017 13:42:36 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] [K3S] Soundcard levels
In-Reply-To: <00ea01d2fe5c$90ed41c0$b2c7c540$@n7us.net>
References: <00ea01d2fe5c$90ed41c0$b2c7c540$@n7us.net>
Message-ID: <71b3eaf8-c029-2503-3674-bac6b34c6310@triconet.org>

You are not alone.  I much prefer my old K3 with an external sound card to the 
built-in in my new(er) K3S.

I mentioned (complained) about this before to no effect.  Trying to set ALC to 
the recommended 4+flashing bars is nearly impossible.  Changing Line Out by one 
level, will change AGC from no bars to three bars. One more step and I can have 
five bars solid.  Of course there is interaction between Line Out, Windows Sound 
and the JT modes level setting.  I don't believe that running Windows gain at 
nil is a good idea SNR wise but who knows.

Add to this that Line Out/Mic Gain settings affect VOX Gain and changing from 
digital modes to SSB usually requires VOX gain adjustment.  There was a question 
from Elecraft to me whether VOX gain remembered by mode would help.  Answer yes, 
result none.

Wes N7WS

I wonder how Flex handles this.


On 7/16/2017 10:54 AM, Jim N7US wrote:
> The Windows recording and playback levels of the soundcard in my K3S seem to
> both be very sensitive.  For RTTY, other digital modes, and voice messages I
> have the level set at only 5 for recording and 18 for playback.
>
>   
>
> I have my LIN OUT in the K3S set to only 5 for RTTY reception (recording)
> and to 14 for digital mode TX (playback).
>
>   
>
> Maybe I'm confused or misunderstanding the settings or maybe I missed a step
> in setting up the radio.
>
>   
>
> 73, Jim N7US
>
>   


From k6mr at outlook.com  Sun Jul 16 16:44:10 2017
From: k6mr at outlook.com (Ken K6MR)
Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2017 20:44:10 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] [K3S] Soundcard levels
In-Reply-To: <00ea01d2fe5c$90ed41c0$b2c7c540$@n7us.net>
References: <00ea01d2fe5c$90ed41c0$b2c7c540$@n7us.net>
Message-ID: <MWHPR13MB132560EB80F60B983716F7609EA30@MWHPR13MB1325.namprd13.prod.outlook.com>

I?m not sure what the problem is.  I run my K3 line level at 3 on both radios.  You want the absolute minimum that will work so your sound card has maximum dynamic range.  I set the level so the baseline spectrum display in MMTTY is just visible.

I use FSK so I don?t know what the playback level should be.

Ken K6MR

From: Jim N7US<mailto:jim at n7us.net>
Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2017 10:55
To: Elecraft Reflector<mailto:elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: [Elecraft] [K3S] Soundcard levels

The Windows recording and playback levels of the soundcard in my K3S seem to
both be very sensitive.  For RTTY, other digital modes, and voice messages I
have the level set at only 5 for recording and 18 for playback.



I have my LIN OUT in the K3S set to only 5 for RTTY reception (recording)
and to 14 for digital mode TX (playback).



Maybe I'm confused or misunderstanding the settings or maybe I missed a step
in setting up the radio.



73, Jim N7US





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From k4to at arrl.net  Sun Jul 16 18:06:20 2017
From: k4to at arrl.net (Dave Sublette)
Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2017 18:06:20 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 Problem?
Message-ID: <DC9FC195-58AF-4E51-95AF-7A02D7101DB5@arrl.net>

I have had my PX3 for a little over a year (I think).  It has been used sparingly.  Until this afternoon, it has worked perfectly.  Now I see a spike in the center of the display and periodic spikes across the entire screen. Almost all are symmetrical in frequency and amplitude about the center line. There are some that are not symmetrical.  I have plugged and unplugged all the cables, taking care to see that each is fully into the socket.

So, perhaps I have a failure that requires returning to Elecraft?  Have any of you had the same experience?

73,

Dave, K4TO

From mzilmer at roadrunner.com  Sun Jul 16 18:20:14 2017
From: mzilmer at roadrunner.com (Matt Zilmer)
Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2017 15:20:14 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 Problem?
In-Reply-To: <DC9FC195-58AF-4E51-95AF-7A02D7101DB5@arrl.net>
References: <DC9FC195-58AF-4E51-95AF-7A02D7101DB5@arrl.net>
Message-ID: <7fa617d5-3572-383d-276e-03a696ca8f24@roadrunner.com>

Try unplugging the antenna to see if it's internally- or 
externally-generated.  If the artifacts remain with no antenna, only one 
of the I/Q signals is making it to the PX3. This may be due to the cable 
or the KX3 or PX3 3.5mm sockets.  Try using a different M-M 3.5mm cable 
and see if it makes a difference.

What you would see if only the I or Q signal were connected is a 
symmetrical display of amplitude about the center (carrier) frequency. 
Even with the "not symmetrical" spikes, I'd still guess that is the problem.

Had the same experience here with a failed / intermittent cable.

73,

matt W6NIA


On 7/16/2017 3:06 PM, Dave Sublette wrote:
> I have had my PX3 for a little over a year (I think).  It has been used sparingly.  Until this afternoon, it has worked perfectly.  Now I see a spike in the center of the display and periodic spikes across the entire screen. Almost all are symmetrical in frequency and amplitude about the center line. There are some that are not symmetrical.  I have plugged and unplugged all the cables, taking care to see that each is fully into the socket.
>
> So, perhaps I have a failure that requires returning to Elecraft?  Have any of you had the same experience?
>
> 73,
>
> Dave, K4TO
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From romeadows1 at outlook.com  Sun Jul 16 18:22:04 2017
From: romeadows1 at outlook.com (Roger Meadows)
Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2017 22:22:04 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 Problem?
In-Reply-To: <DC9FC195-58AF-4E51-95AF-7A02D7101DB5@arrl.net>
References: <DC9FC195-58AF-4E51-95AF-7A02D7101DB5@arrl.net>
Message-ID: <DM2PR12MB00290A0ACE1633C9E9BCF66196A30@DM2PR12MB0029.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>

Sounds like a ground loop. I had something similar.  I unplugged the KX3 from the computer and it went away. I was able to use an USB hub and it was fine.

--
73 and Thanks,
Roger Meadows
AE4RM
QRP - Do More With Less


On July 16, 2017 at 6:06:20 PM, Dave Sublette (k4to at arrl.net<mailto:k4to at arrl.net>) wrote:

I have had my PX3 for a little over a year (I think). It has been used sparingly. Until this afternoon, it has worked perfectly. Now I see a spike in the center of the display and periodic spikes across the entire screen. Almost all are symmetrical in frequency and amplitude about the center line. There are some that are not symmetrical. I have plugged and unplugged all the cables, taking care to see that each is fully into the socket.

So, perhaps I have a failure that requires returning to Elecraft? Have any of you had the same experience?

73,

Dave, K4TO
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From k4to at arrl.net  Sun Jul 16 18:47:36 2017
From: k4to at arrl.net (Dave Sublette)
Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2017 18:47:36 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 Problem?
In-Reply-To: <DC9FC195-58AF-4E51-95AF-7A02D7101DB5@arrl.net>
References: <DC9FC195-58AF-4E51-95AF-7A02D7101DB5@arrl.net>
Message-ID: <432D51BA-B3EC-40F7-B950-1CE2B5B0E789@arrl.net>

Tnx Roger and Matt.  Roger ? I don?t have the KX3/PX3 interfaced with the audio on the computer.  I do have the usb port connected.

Matt ? I believe it is the 2.5 mm jacks that carry the Rx I/Q between the KX3 and PX3.  I unplugged the antenna and the spikes are still there.  I unplugged the Rx I/Q plug from the PX3 and the irregularly space spikes went away and the regularly spaced spikes were still there at the same levels as when the cable was plugged in.

I?m still thinking there is a failure in the PX3.

Dave
> On Jul 16, 2017, at 6:06 PM, Dave Sublette <k4to at arrl.net> wrote:
> 
> I have had my PX3 for a little over a year (I think).  It has been used sparingly.  Until this afternoon, it has worked perfectly.  Now I see a spike in the center of the display and periodic spikes across the entire screen. Almost all are symmetrical in frequency and amplitude about the center line. There are some that are not symmetrical.  I have plugged and unplugged all the cables, taking care to see that each is fully into the socket.
> 
> So, perhaps I have a failure that requires returning to Elecraft?  Have any of you had the same experience?
> 
> 73,
> 
> Dave, K4TO
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From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Sun Jul 16 19:01:32 2017
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2017 19:01:32 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] [K3S] Soundcard levels
In-Reply-To: <00ea01d2fe5c$90ed41c0$b2c7c540$@n7us.net>
References: <00ea01d2fe5c$90ed41c0$b2c7c540$@n7us.net>
Message-ID: <558d00ba-a1c0-38c4-0389-b68c8486c803@embarqmail.com>

Jim,

I am going to assume you are running Windows.
To the computer, the "soundcard" in the K3S is little different than any 
other USB soundcard, except the 'external box' happens to the inside the 
K3S.

That means you have soundcard levels in the computer which can be adjusted.
Right click on the speaker icon near the clock and first select Playback 
Devices
In the window that opens, select the CODEC for the K3S and click in the 
Properties box at the bottom right.  Once Properties open, click on the 
Levels tab.  Reduce the Playback level enough so you can obtain a 
workable LINE IN level on the K3S and still achieve an ALC meter reading 
of 4 bars with the 5th bar flashing when you "transmit" with the 
software application.  Mid-range settings of the LINE IN level will give 
you more granularity and make the required ALC setting more easily 
achieved.  Use TX TEST while making those adjustments so you don't 
actually produce any RF.

Going the 'other way around', adjust the K3S LINE OUT level and the 
soundcard recording level to achieve reasonable values for each - there 
is nothing wrong with a line out setting of 5.  Try not to use a LINE 
OUT level of 10 or more.
If the soundcard shows both MIC input and LINE INput, select LINE.  If 
you must use the MIC setting, make certain the mic preamp is not tuned 
on.  Adjust the K3S LINE OUT and the soundcard Line In (or Mic) slider 
to achieve a good colored waterfall display in your software application.

Using the internal CODEC (soundcard) in the K3S should be no different 
than using most any other external soundcard.

73,
Don W3FPR


On 7/16/2017 1:54 PM, Jim N7US wrote:
> The Windows recording and playback levels of the soundcard in my K3S seem to
> both be very sensitive.  For RTTY, other digital modes, and voice messages I
> have the level set at only 5 for recording and 18 for playback.
> 
>   
> 
> I have my LIN OUT in the K3S set to only 5 for RTTY reception (recording)
> and to 14 for digital mode TX (playback).

From silverlocks at gmx.com  Sun Jul 16 19:16:13 2017
From: silverlocks at gmx.com (Emory Schley)
Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2017 01:16:13 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] Car interior antennas...
Message-ID: <trinity-e0d6c371-fdd5-48f0-8939-1e36c22ef381-1500246973465@3capp-mailcom-bs08>

I'm certainly no expert here but a fellow I know once told me that fractal antennas were showing up in car interiors because they're efficient, quite small and don't use much material to construct. Something about punching them out with a die... didn't quite understand what he was saying completely, but fractals might be something to look into. Again, I'm unsure about this, but I think cellphones commonly use fractal antenna technology, too.
?
Emory Schley
N4LP

From brian.waterworth at gmail.com  Sun Jul 16 19:23:24 2017
From: brian.waterworth at gmail.com (Brian Waterworth)
Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2017 19:23:24 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 Problem?
In-Reply-To: <432D51BA-B3EC-40F7-B950-1CE2B5B0E789@arrl.net>
References: <DC9FC195-58AF-4E51-95AF-7A02D7101DB5@arrl.net>
	<432D51BA-B3EC-40F7-B950-1CE2B5B0E789@arrl.net>
Message-ID: <CAM34cKdN+ca01e2BkZq1LTLO=MmjoxxwVPM+c1t-K3PQSem-Fg@mail.gmail.com>

Just out of curiosity, has any other wall wart or other device been plugged
in near the px3-kx3 recently?

Interestly enough, just this morning I saw new noise I hadn't seen before.
  It turned out to be a wall wart that was charging a car booster battery
pack and it was about 4-5 inches from the kx3.  I moved the kx3 away from
the wall wart about 10 inches and the noise reduced.

I zoomed the PX3 in to a 2khz span and I saw a spike at 60hz, 180hz, and
300hz symmetrically about the centre frequency.

I moved the wall wart to another plug about 3 feet away, no more qrm.

Hope this helps you.

Regards
Brian
VE3IBW

From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Sun Jul 16 19:27:48 2017
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2017 19:27:48 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] PSK63 D Tones?
In-Reply-To: <CAKtbT2neDmjxV+jaajSmbaY482uOWW+PiFZ-UJmAdLJdAKuAvg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKtbT2neDmjxV+jaajSmbaY482uOWW+PiFZ-UJmAdLJdAKuAvg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <b812d5a0-c939-37f2-6d21-64efbf65a77b@embarqmail.com>

Scott,

That quote from WA8LMF refers to the actual frequency transmitted by 
normal soundcard data modes (and the same is true no matter what the 
data mode).  Use the KX3 in DATA A for all except RTTY.  Although some 
data mode applications correctly send RTTY the same as other data modes, 
with some like MMTTY, you would want to use AFSK A on the KX3.

DATA A is USB and it is usable for most soundcard data modes although 
PSK does not care about the sideband, other soundcard data modes do care.
AFSK A defaults to LSB which is the norm for RTTY.
For AFSK A, the displayed frequency is the MARK frequency, which again 
is the norm for RTTY.

PSK D and FSK D data submodes transmit and receive on the frequency 
indicated on the K3 display - for those modes, you should be operating 
with a narrow passband and tune with the VFO to the single station you 
wish to work.  Input is from keying CW characters on paddles (not with 
an external keyer), or ASCII characters sent by a terminal program such 
as KX3 Utility (and maybe a few others).  If you have the PX3, you can 
also use a USB keyboard connected to the PX3.  Reception decoding is 
done in the KX3 and is displayed in the VFO B area, or in the terminal 
application of KX3 Utility or on the PX3.  Again, you must tune to a 
single signal with a narrow filter setting.  Turn on CWT and get the 
indicator close to center, then tap SPOT to bring it right to center for 
good decoding.  You can also send from KX3 message memories in PSK D or 
FSK D data submodes.  End your recorded message with the "IM" character 
when entering the message text with the paddles or if entering messages 
with KX3 Utility, end them with the "|" character.  That character ends 
transmit immediately.  If you leave it out, there is a 4 second 'diddle 
time'.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 7/16/2017 3:02 PM, richardscott w wrote:
> I am a newbie when it comes to the digital modes and the KX3. The
> following question may, therefore, be naive.
> 
> I have been experimenting using my Tentec transceiver to copy and send
> APRS PSK63 beacons on 30 meters using the "APRS Messenger" software.
> It seems to work fine using a Signalink USB sound card with the
> program set for 2100Hz tones. I am tuned to 10.147.6 USB.
> 
> I want to try using the KX3 in PSK63 D mode to do the same thing, but
> don't know what tone/shift the internal modem uses, so don't know what
> frequency to tune the radio to. To quote WA8LMF:
> 
> "The actual transmitted RF frequency is the indicated suppressed
> carrier frequency (i.e. "dial frequency") plus the audio tone
> frequency (USB)  -or- the suppressed carrier frequency minus the audio
> tone frequency (LSB).  The actual dial frequency you want WILL DEPEND
> ON THE SIDEBAND YOU CHOOSE (either one will work) --AND-- ON THE
> PARTICULAR AUDIO TONE FREQUENCY produced by the PSK program."
> 
> Up until now I have been using AFSK in USB mode to do these
> experiments, and don't know how that translates when using a "direct"
> PSK63 mode. How should I tune the KX3 to be spot on to the single RF
> frequency for  30-meter PSK63 APRS operation, which is 10.149.700 MHz?
> Any advice appreciated.
> 
> -Scott N3SW-
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From n2qt at yahoo.com  Sun Jul 16 19:33:27 2017
From: n2qt at yahoo.com (Mark N2QT)
Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2017 20:33:27 -0300
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Digest, Vol 159, Issue 12
In-Reply-To: <mailman.4827.1500231787.7807.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
References: <mailman.4827.1500231787.7807.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID: <7DEF90B2-6080-47D6-A21E-399441D74395@yahoo.com>

Yes, please.  Maybe add the ability to show a different window for two sensors to help
us easily confused so2r guys. 

Would also be nice to have a kat500 utility that would show real power output for those of
us without a kpa500 

Message: 5
Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2017 21:57:46 -0400
From: Michael Walker <va3mw at portcredit.net>
To: "Elecraft at mailman.qth.net" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: [Elecraft] W2 Software
Message-ID:
   <CA+33ts6QPePC4TV+SXAbRvk5vmsPpoznahKJ9N16adbGhXTdrg at mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"

To those who write software (not me.. .I just use it).

Is there any chance that we could have a 'compact' version of the W2
software display just like we have for the KPA500?

Just a thought.

Mike va3mw

Mark. N2QT


From stevesgt at effable.com  Sun Jul 16 19:38:33 2017
From: stevesgt at effable.com (Steve Sergeant)
Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2017 16:38:33 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Fractal antennas (was: Car interior antennas...)
In-Reply-To: <trinity-e0d6c371-fdd5-48f0-8939-1e36c22ef381-1500246973465@3capp-mailcom-bs08>
References: <trinity-e0d6c371-fdd5-48f0-8939-1e36c22ef381-1500246973465@3capp-mailcom-bs08>
Message-ID: <aa9c574a-cae0-d58e-dcbd-b613e69433bc@effable.com>

On 7/16/17 16:16 PM, Emory Schley wrote:
> I'm certainly no expert here but a fellow I know once told me that fractal antennas were showing up in car interiors because they're efficient, quite small and don't use much material to construct. Something about punching them out with a die... didn't quite understand what he was saying completely, but fractals might be something to look into. Again, I'm unsure about this, but I think cellphones commonly use fractal antenna technology, too.

Do you mean, like this?

[
http://ag1le.blogspot.it/2011/12/antenna-experiments-fractal-quad-for-28.html
]


From bbaines at mac.com  Sun Jul 16 19:44:22 2017
From: bbaines at mac.com (Barry Baines)
Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2017 19:44:22 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Really OT: Inside-the-vehicle HF antennas (possible
 bonus points)
In-Reply-To: <57162321-F76E-4E08-AC32-106D45A5F70A@elecraft.com>
References: <57162321-F76E-4E08-AC32-106D45A5F70A@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <9B160490-5097-4F68-AF61-126B738623F1@mac.com>

Wayne:

> On Jul 15, 2017, at 8:53 PM, Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com> wrote:
> 
> I?m dealing with one of the last unsolved problems in amateur radio: how to operate HF mobile without an antenna. At least not one that, according to some vehicle co-owners/spouses, would defile your new sedan.
> 
> For 10 bonus points that have only philosophical value, your challenge is to create an invisible mobile antenna and actually make a QSO on it. For practical purposes (i.e., not frying the car or passengers) let?s say the maximum power level is 10 watts. The bands of interest are 40-10 meters.


If the goal is to operate HF while mobile ?without an antenna?, why not take an entirely different approach using existing Elecraft product offerings that entirely avoids the issue of trying to mount antennas on vehicles that are becoming less and less ?amateur friendly??

My suggestion is to operate an Elecraft base station remotely while mobile using the K3/0-Mini and RemoteRig 1258MKII in the vehicle tethered to an iPhone or other Smartphone.  The K3/0-Mini operates superbly with RemoteRig to connect to base stations.  The Smartphone acts as a ?Wifi hotspot? in the vehicle;  use the WiFi option of RemoteRig 1258MKII to connect to the smartphone or use a separate ?WAP? (Wireless Access Point) such as the TPLink TL-WR802N ($20.00) that is tied to the RemoteRig 1258MKII via an ethernet connection between the two.

Depending upon the types of interfaces incorporated at the base station, one can also control the rotor and KPA500 through the web browser of the smartphone if using the RemoteRig RC-1216H to interface to each device at the home station (one RC-1216H for each device). 

The ability to operate amateur radio through internet links while mobile has been well established.  For example, in the case of DMR (Digital Mobile Radio) offered by various VHF and UHF repeater organizations, I?ve had excellent performance using the RFShark ?openSPOT? tied through a TL-802N WAP and connected to the internet via my iPhone 7 ?hotspot?.   The openSPOT acts as a mini-repeater in the vehicle with RF from a radio (such as a HT)  being sent through the internet;  likewise, packets received from the internet are broadcast by the openSPOT to the HT in the vehicle. I?ve been able to communicate through two different DMR networks (DMR+ and Brandmeister) while mobile, allowing me to utilize DMR repeater networks while out-of-range of DMR repeaters. This has allowed me to communicate with friends in New England and North Florida/South Georgia when I?m not in repeater coverage within those areas. 

In essence, the K3/0-Mini coupled to a RemoteRig 1258MKII and linked to a smartphone via Wifi is taking a similar approach, but with the interface between the K3/0-Mini being hardwired to the RemoteRig 1258MKII.  The RemoteRig can be placed under a car seat and the K3/0-Mini can be placed anywhere where the operator can access it just as with a mobile rig control head.  If a WAP is used, it can also be placed beneath the seat.  

Are there downsides to  operating HF via internet back to the home station (or some other locale)?  Providing Grid Squares based upon vehicle location is out since the location of the transmitter is what determines which grid square one is operating from, and not the location of operator.  Internet quality through cellular networks can vary while mobile,  but overall the throughput of the K3/0-Mini using audio CODECs offered by the RemoteRig equipment that require less bandwidth should still work well.  

Food for thought,

Barry Baines, WD4ASW
(Currently in Boston, MA)











> 
> Here are some ideas I?m considering:
> 
> - mag loop in the rear window
> - thin wire loop on a roof rack 
> - gamma match to the entire roof
> - surface acoustic waves
> - prayer
> 
> Other ideas?
> 
> Yes, I know this violates the laws of physics and bioethics. And I fully expect the car to generate debilitating levels of RFI. But isn?t this the least you?d expect from an unsolved problem? 
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> 
> Wayne
> N6KR
> 
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From k2asp at kanafi.org  Sun Jul 16 20:25:21 2017
From: k2asp at kanafi.org (Phil Kane)
Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2017 17:25:21 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Really OT: Inside-the-vehicle HF antennas (possible
 bonus points)
In-Reply-To: <AAA9FAED-971F-4BAF-A5B0-69F0FC5CF552@mgccc.org>
References: <57162321-F76E-4E08-AC32-106D45A5F70A@elecraft.com>
	<AAA9FAED-971F-4BAF-A5B0-69F0FC5CF552@mgccc.org>
Message-ID: <36a3ab9c-0405-2bb7-1d56-edf57b86f9d5@kanafi.org>

On 7/15/2017 7:53 PM, Michael Chowning wrote:

> Now all you have to do, is get permission to rack mount your radio in place of the passenger seat.
> Seriously, here is a link from Ohio State Unversity on experimental antennas in clothes of the military.

Seriously -- a certain three-letter agency that I am a survivor of did
the roof-install and rack-install in certain vehicles in the 1970s and
'80s.  Some of the early ones were done in my own garage!  No longer done!

----
73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane
Elecraft K2/100   s/n 5402

>From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest
Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon

From k2asp at kanafi.org  Sun Jul 16 20:28:56 2017
From: k2asp at kanafi.org (Phil Kane)
Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2017 17:28:56 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Really OT: Inside-the-vehicle HF antennas (possible
 bonus points)
In-Reply-To: <CAF15Ws3n-jMSqcBwkqh4X11mCykg6nvReOvvjPGjzascY=i2ig@mail.gmail.com>
References: <57162321-F76E-4E08-AC32-106D45A5F70A@elecraft.com>
	<CAF15Ws3n-jMSqcBwkqh4X11mCykg6nvReOvvjPGjzascY=i2ig@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <dd9793ce-3f8b-d67a-7c58-aab26366aede@kanafi.org>

On 7/15/2017 8:18 PM, Randy Bright wrote:

> Would there be a way to repurpose the defrost wiring that is sandwiched
> between the layers of glass in some back windows and use that thin wire for
> your antenna?

Has been done for sneaky mobile DF systems decades ago.  We called then
"defroster antennas" but only got L/R indications.  Had to turn the
whole car to get real bearings!

-- 
73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane
Elecraft K2/100   s/n 5402

>From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest
Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon

From k2asp at kanafi.org  Sun Jul 16 20:32:21 2017
From: k2asp at kanafi.org (Phil Kane)
Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2017 17:32:21 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Really OT: Inside-the-vehicle HF antennas (possible
 bonus points)
In-Reply-To: <0d782e33-6c5a-04b7-a8fd-07d3a54a60ca@blomand.net>
References: <57162321-F76E-4E08-AC32-106D45A5F70A@elecraft.com>
	<CAF15Ws3n-jMSqcBwkqh4X11mCykg6nvReOvvjPGjzascY=i2ig@mail.gmail.com>
	<0d782e33-6c5a-04b7-a8fd-07d3a54a60ca@blomand.net>
Message-ID: <4cbc25fe-d342-4f81-af8d-368668f70088@kanafi.org>

On 7/15/2017 8:37 PM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote:

> Seems I recall a DDRR antenna which was a low profile, roof mountable
> antenna. 

Are you referring to what we called the "towel rack" antenna which was
originally made for Air Rescue Helicopters in the Vietnam-War era?  They
were replaced by the "defroster antennas".

----

73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane
Elecraft K2/100   s/n 5402

>From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest
Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon

From kevinr at coho.net  Sun Jul 16 20:35:26 2017
From: kevinr at coho.net (kevinr at coho.net)
Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2017 17:35:26 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Fractal antennas
In-Reply-To: <aa9c574a-cae0-d58e-dcbd-b613e69433bc@effable.com>
References: <trinity-e0d6c371-fdd5-48f0-8939-1e36c22ef381-1500246973465@3capp-mailcom-bs08>
	<aa9c574a-cae0-d58e-dcbd-b613e69433bc@effable.com>
Message-ID: <192c96fa-8e12-44ef-9f1c-a8d00d916772@coho.net>

My lab partner was working on fractal antennas last time I was in 
school.  The lab always reeked of acid fumes from his etching. His 
lowest band was in the 10 cm range; most of his work was above that.  I 
don't know if you could fit one for HF in the room you have on a window.

      GL,

          Kevin.  KD5ONS


On 7/16/2017 4:38 PM, Steve Sergeant wrote:
> On 7/16/17 16:16 PM, Emory Schley wrote:
>> I'm certainly no expert here but a fellow I know once told me that fractal antennas were showing up in car interiors because they're efficient, quite small and don't use much material to construct. Something about punching them out with a die... didn't quite understand what he was saying completely, but fractals might be something to look into. Again, I'm unsure about this, but I think cellphones commonly use fractal antenna technology, too.
> Do you mean, like this?
>
> [
> http://ag1le.blogspot.it/2011/12/antenna-experiments-fractal-quad-for-28.html
> ]
>
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From k2asp at kanafi.org  Sun Jul 16 20:53:18 2017
From: k2asp at kanafi.org (Phil Kane)
Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2017 17:53:18 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Really OT: Inside-the-vehicle HF antennas (possible
 bonus points)
In-Reply-To: <ecbe2431-5bf0-87fb-f3be-23c11cc4e6fc@foothill.net>
References: <57162321-F76E-4E08-AC32-106D45A5F70A@elecraft.com>
	<CAF15Ws3n-jMSqcBwkqh4X11mCykg6nvReOvvjPGjzascY=i2ig@mail.gmail.com>
	<0d782e33-6c5a-04b7-a8fd-07d3a54a60ca@blomand.net>
	<ecbe2431-5bf0-87fb-f3be-23c11cc4e6fc@foothill.net>
Message-ID: <c36ebb80-1d11-96cf-671e-21c6a790b66b@kanafi.org>

On 7/16/2017 10:37 AM, Fred Jensen wrote:

> The Southern Pacific RR [now Union Pacific] used 160 MHz DDRR antennas
> on some of their signalling equipment. Generally on top of a big steel
> box beside the track(s).  Had a base plate bolted to the box, and a
> single 25-30 cm element, parallel to the top of the box, spaced about
> 6-7 cm above it.  The whole antenna looked like it was cast in one
> piece. 

Not only the SP, but many other roads as well.  That antenna - the
Excalibur by Sinclair - was one of the most popular locomotive antennas
and is also used on signal equipment boxes because it is almost
indestructible.  It was originally made to go through a bus wash rack
undamaged!  We used them on a series of trucks because of their
ruggedness.  They are still being made but they aren't cheap - the VHF
version is in the $150 class.
Depending on the manufacturer, there are two versions, the "exposed"
solid-metal version and one in a fiberglass radome.

> For 20 m, it would be significantly larger, but might be disguised
> as, or in, a roof rack.  A lot of folks drive around with stuff piled
> on their cars these days.

We installed a 30-40 MHz version in a fiberglass radome on one truck -
it looked like an inverted canoe!  I would put a VHF version on the
family car but the wife settled for a mag-mount.  I'm not sure how it
would work with a 2m/440 rig - there's a separate 450 MHz-band version.

-- 
73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane
Elecraft K2/100   s/n 5402

>From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest
Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon

From sewdivine at centurytel.net  Sun Jul 16 20:56:30 2017
From: sewdivine at centurytel.net (Ellen Melland)
Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2017 19:56:30 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Embroidered Elecraft Shirts
Message-ID: <CCBDD7D2AB994699AB8043815F586915@EllenPC>

Custom embroidered Elecraft shirts are available again. For those of you that told me you do not want to use PayPal, I finally found an option. My Square store http://www.ellenjanessewdivine.com/ is a work in progress but the Elecraft section is ready with the current stock of shirts. For those of you that live outside the U.S. you will still have to email me directly with your request so I can calculate shipping and send you a PayPal invoice, Square is not set up to take payments from outside the U.S. You can still reach me at the PayPal address of sewdivine at centurytel.net. if you prefer to use PayPal.  I have no experience designing websites so if something is not clear or you have a question or helpful suggestion please contact me off the list, send me an email at sewdivine at centurytel.net so I can assist you. Thank you and have a great rest of the summer.

Ellen Jane Melland 
Sew Divine Embroidery

From mzilmer at roadrunner.com  Sun Jul 16 21:02:37 2017
From: mzilmer at roadrunner.com (Matt Zilmer)
Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2017 18:02:37 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Car interior antennas...
In-Reply-To: <trinity-e0d6c371-fdd5-48f0-8939-1e36c22ef381-1500246973465@3capp-mailcom-bs08>
References: <trinity-e0d6c371-fdd5-48f0-8939-1e36c22ef381-1500246973465@3capp-mailcom-bs08>
Message-ID: <344ed776-ac4a-233d-1418-4957d7f00343@roadrunner.com>

Fractal antennas are used for multi-band point of sale and similar 
terminals, plus quite a number cell phones.  They are die-cut and cost 
about $0.05 to make in quantity.

I had a job interview in 2009 with a POS terminal manufacturer in 
Phoenix and the fractal antenna was one of the "tricks" the interviewers 
threw at me.  Lame, but not everyone got it either.  Otoh, I couldn't 
take the offer.

Fractal antennas' sizes are roughly proportional to a quarter wave of 
the lowestfrequency used. They're not very efficient, but in Wifi and 
cellular applications they usually don't need to be.

73,

matt W6NIA


On 7/16/2017 4:16 PM, Emory Schley wrote:
> I'm certainly no expert here but a fellow I know once told me that fractal antennas were showing up in car interiors because they're efficient, quite small and don't use much material to construct. Something about punching them out with a die... didn't quite understand what he was saying completely, but fractals might be something to look into. Again, I'm unsure about this, but I think cellphones commonly use fractal antenna technology, too.
>   
> Emory Schley
> N4LP
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[Shiraz]


From tom.parish at gmail.com  Sun Jul 16 21:50:42 2017
From: tom.parish at gmail.com (Tom Parish)
Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2017 20:50:42 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Getting CW decoding to work (again)
Message-ID: <CAE545y1YHJfznLUqcwNb2ZmRArWh_aQhiBCEjspXyL8G_dpvXQ@mail.gmail.com>

For some reason I've butterfingered the settings on my KX2 and for the life
of me I cannot get it to work in decoding mode. I keep looking at the KX2
manual on page 29

The thing is the display is a show a 'T' in the lower right hand corner
indicating it's on.  I'm in CW mode. I can hear CW coming through. I have
CWT activated but no matter what I do I cannot seem to see in any decoding
occuring. I just see  the numbers for the B receiver.

I can only imagine this is an embarrassingly simple remedy but I'm
befuddled at the moment.

Can omeo

-- 

Inspire Curiosity Together
Bildr <http://www.bildr.com> - no code programming platform
512-782-4814 KB5RF

From tom.parish at gmail.com  Sun Jul 16 21:53:36 2017
From: tom.parish at gmail.com (Tom Parish)
Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2017 20:53:36 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Getting CW decoding to work (again)
In-Reply-To: <CAE545y1YHJfznLUqcwNb2ZmRArWh_aQhiBCEjspXyL8G_dpvXQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAE545y1YHJfznLUqcwNb2ZmRArWh_aQhiBCEjspXyL8G_dpvXQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAE545y0BuwNnv5p4faZnnZchABJW8cEtW0gPqRHAR7hFpTd+vg@mail.gmail.com>

It's going to be one of those evenings. I'll try this again.

For some reason I've butterfingered the settings on my KX2 and for the life
of me I cannot get it to work in decoding mode. I keep looking at the KX2
manual on page 29 TEXT DECODE and DISPLAY to step through those
instructions but, no go.

The thing is the display shows a 'T' in the lower right hand corner
indicating it's on.  I'm in CW mode. I can hear CW coming through. I have
CWT activated but no matter what I do I cannot seem to see in any decoding
occuring. I just see  the numbers for the B receiver.

I can only imagine this is an embarrassingly simple remedy but I'm
befuddled at the moment.

Could someone email me your suggestions tom.parish at gmail.com.

Appreciatively
Tom


On Sun, Jul 16, 2017 at 8:50 PM, Tom Parish <tom.parish at gmail.com> wrote:

> For some reason I've butterfingered the settings on my KX2 and for the
> life of me I cannot get it to work in decoding mode. I keep looking at the
> KX2 manual on page 29
>
> The thing is the display is a show a 'T' in the lower right hand corner
> indicating it's on.  I'm in CW mode. I can hear CW coming through. I have
> CWT activated but no matter what I do I cannot seem to see in any decoding
> occuring. I just see  the numbers for the B receiver.
>
> I can only imagine this is an embarrassingly simple remedy but I'm
> befuddled at the moment.
>
> Can omeo
>
> --
>
> Inspire Curiosity Together
> Bildr <http://www.bildr.com> - no code programming platform
> 512-782-4814 <(512)%20782-4814> KB5RF
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>


-- 

Inspire Curiosity Together
Bildr <http://www.bildr.com> - no code programming platform
512-782-4814 KB5RF

From dmboresz at gmail.com  Sun Jul 16 21:56:31 2017
From: dmboresz at gmail.com (Dale Boresz)
Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2017 21:56:31 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 Problem?
In-Reply-To: <DC9FC195-58AF-4E51-95AF-7A02D7101DB5@arrl.net>
References: <DC9FC195-58AF-4E51-95AF-7A02D7101DB5@arrl.net>
Message-ID: <CAPkaV9B3T3Pe3E9eFAYd0adpPgQW3p0h3eKUKx94p0ryJpQHJQ@mail.gmail.com>

Dave, make sure that the preamp is engaged on your KX3. If the preamp is
off and you are receiving on a quiet band, you'll see "stuff" that would
normally be covered by the band noise. Turn on the preamp, and the
artifacts that you're seeing should be pushed below the noise floor of just
about any band.

73,

Dale - WA8SRA


On Sun, Jul 16, 2017 at 6:06 PM, Dave Sublette <k4to at arrl.net> wrote:

> I have had my PX3 for a little over a year (I think).  It has been used
> sparingly.  Until this afternoon, it has worked perfectly.  Now I see a
> spike in the center of the display and periodic spikes across the entire
> screen. Almost all are symmetrical in frequency and amplitude about the
> center line. There are some that are not symmetrical.  I have plugged and
> unplugged all the cables, taking care to see that each is fully into the
> socket.
>
> So, perhaps I have a failure that requires returning to Elecraft?  Have
> any of you had the same experience?
>
> 73,
>
> Dave, K4TO
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From edauer at law.du.edu  Sun Jul 16 21:58:55 2017
From: edauer at law.du.edu (Dauer, Edward)
Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2017 01:58:55 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] QRPworks SideKar
Message-ID: <E417200A-DD41-48E0-930B-5C882CB20425@law.du.edu>

Is anyone using the QRPWorks SideKar or SideKar plus?  I am thinking about buying one to use with both the K3 (updated with the K3S goodies) and the KX3.  I would appreciate hearing from anyone who is willing to share their experience with it.

Thanks in advance,

Ted, KN1CBR


From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Sun Jul 16 21:59:57 2017
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2017 21:59:57 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Getting CW decoding to work (again)
In-Reply-To: <CAE545y1YHJfznLUqcwNb2ZmRArWh_aQhiBCEjspXyL8G_dpvXQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAE545y1YHJfznLUqcwNb2ZmRArWh_aQhiBCEjspXyL8G_dpvXQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8655e59c-031e-a0dc-7cdc-dea8bdfecb56@embarqmail.com>

What is your filter bandwidth?
It should be narrow, but not so narrow that your tuning (including the 
CWT - SPOT) is extremely critical - about 200 Hz is about right.

Is the station possibly sending only numbers?  There are some Russian 
stations that do just that.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 7/16/2017 9:50 PM, Tom Parish wrote:
> For some reason I've butterfingered the settings on my KX2 and for the life
> of me I cannot get it to work in decoding mode. I keep looking at the KX2
> manual on page 29
> 
> The thing is the display is a show a 'T' in the lower right hand corner
> indicating it's on.  I'm in CW mode. I can hear CW coming through. I have
> CWT activated but no matter what I do I cannot seem to see in any decoding
> occuring. I just see  the numbers for the B receiver.
> 
> I can only imagine this is an embarrassingly simple remedy but I'm
> befuddled at the moment.
> 
> Can omeo
> 

From k4to at arrl.net  Sun Jul 16 22:07:02 2017
From: k4to at arrl.net (Dave Sublette)
Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2017 22:07:02 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 Problem?
In-Reply-To: <CAPkaV9B3T3Pe3E9eFAYd0adpPgQW3p0h3eKUKx94p0ryJpQHJQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <DC9FC195-58AF-4E51-95AF-7A02D7101DB5@arrl.net>
	<CAPkaV9B3T3Pe3E9eFAYd0adpPgQW3p0h3eKUKx94p0ryJpQHJQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <71F0A525-2221-404E-BA45-EC3EC81E3B46@arrl.net>

Good point.  However I am on 20 meters, which really doesn?t need the preamp.  Besides, the spikes are 40 dB high or so.  No, this behavior is definitely looking like a failure.  I have one more thing to try.  I will carry it out to the shop in my garage and plug it in.  If it is the same there as in here, it?s not any external influence.  Thanks for hanging in there with me.

73,

Dave
> On Jul 16, 2017, at 9:56 PM, Dale Boresz <dmboresz at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Dave, make sure that the preamp is engaged on your KX3. If the preamp is off and you are receiving on a quiet band, you'll see "stuff" that would normally be covered by the band noise. Turn on the preamp, and the artifacts that you're seeing should be pushed below the noise floor of just about any band. 
> 
> 73, 
> 
> Dale - WA8SRA
> 
> 
> On Sun, Jul 16, 2017 at 6:06 PM, Dave Sublette <k4to at arrl.net <mailto:k4to at arrl.net>> wrote:
> I have had my PX3 for a little over a year (I think).  It has been used sparingly.  Until this afternoon, it has worked perfectly.  Now I see a spike in the center of the display and periodic spikes across the entire screen. Almost all are symmetrical in frequency and amplitude about the center line. There are some that are not symmetrical.  I have plugged and unplugged all the cables, taking care to see that each is fully into the socket.
> 
> So, perhaps I have a failure that requires returning to Elecraft?  Have any of you had the same experience?
> 
> 73,
> 
> Dave, K4TO
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From vk5zm at bistre.net  Sun Jul 16 22:15:50 2017
From: vk5zm at bistre.net (Matthew Cook)
Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2017 11:45:50 +0930
Subject: [Elecraft] Really OT: Inside-the-vehicle HF antennas (possible
 bonus points)
In-Reply-To: <57162321-F76E-4E08-AC32-106D45A5F70A@elecraft.com>
References: <57162321-F76E-4E08-AC32-106D45A5F70A@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <CAE+2d_0Ph1UdYxrYXso23hRvOcs0iCaKn7Bf9yQAD1p_DJxkTA@mail.gmail.com>

Mount your iPad/Tablet to the dash, install 3G/4G internet capable router
(internal antennas) into the car, Heil Headset & RR1274 then remote into
your K3/KPA500/KAT500 remote station at home.   Works rather nicely.

Otherwise ruggedised whip tuner under the bonnet (err hood) with a thin
discrete stainless steel whip mounted on the front of the car there
somewhere.

73

Matthew
VK5ZM

On 16 July 2017 at 10:23, Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com> wrote:

> I?m dealing with one of the last unsolved problems in amateur radio: how
> to operate HF mobile without an antenna. At least not one that, according
> to some vehicle co-owners/spouses, would defile your new sedan.
>
> For 10 bonus points that have only philosophical value, your challenge is
> to create an invisible mobile antenna and actually make a QSO on it. For
> practical purposes (i.e., not frying the car or passengers) let?s say the
> maximum power level is 10 watts. The bands of interest are 40-10 meters.
>
> Here are some ideas I?m considering:
>
> - mag loop in the rear window
> - thin wire loop on a roof rack
> - gamma match to the entire roof
> - surface acoustic waves
> - prayer
>
> Other ideas?
>
> Yes, I know this violates the laws of physics and bioethics. And I fully
> expect the car to generate debilitating levels of RFI. But isn?t this the
> least you?d expect from an unsolved problem?
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Wayne
> N6KR
>
>
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From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Sun Jul 16 22:22:40 2017
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2017 22:22:40 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 Problem?
In-Reply-To: <71F0A525-2221-404E-BA45-EC3EC81E3B46@arrl.net>
References: <DC9FC195-58AF-4E51-95AF-7A02D7101DB5@arrl.net>
	<CAPkaV9B3T3Pe3E9eFAYd0adpPgQW3p0h3eKUKx94p0ryJpQHJQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<71F0A525-2221-404E-BA45-EC3EC81E3B46@arrl.net>
Message-ID: <25591f5d-9a57-e31b-6ef0-7517ef836397@embarqmail.com>

Dave,

The KX3 is designed to be operated with the preamp on most of the time. 
The only reason to turn it off is when extremely strong signals are 
encountered.

The preamp eliminates many spurious signals that are actually out of 
band due to its signal rejection "filtering".  That has nothing to do 
with the sensitivity, and it can kill extraneous results such as you are 
seeing.

If it makes those responses substantial with the preamp on, then there 
may be a problem to be addressed.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 7/16/2017 10:07 PM, Dave Sublette wrote:
> Good point.  However I am on 20 meters, which really doesn?t need the preamp.  Besides, the spikes are 40 dB high or so.  No, this behavior is definitely looking like a failure.  I have one more thing to try.  I will carry it out to the shop in my garage and plug it in.  If it is the same there as in here, it?s not any external influence.  Thanks for hanging in there with me.
> 
> 73,
> 
> Dave
>> On Jul 16, 2017, at 9:56 PM, Dale Boresz <dmboresz at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Dave, make sure that the preamp is engaged on your KX3. If the preamp is off and you are receiving on a quiet band, you'll see "stuff" that would normally be covered by the band noise. Turn on the preamp, and the artifacts that you're seeing should be pushed below the noise floor of just about any band.

From k4to at arrl.net  Sun Jul 16 22:47:06 2017
From: k4to at arrl.net (Dave Sublette)
Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2017 22:47:06 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 Problem?
In-Reply-To: <25591f5d-9a57-e31b-6ef0-7517ef836397@embarqmail.com>
References: <DC9FC195-58AF-4E51-95AF-7A02D7101DB5@arrl.net>
	<CAPkaV9B3T3Pe3E9eFAYd0adpPgQW3p0h3eKUKx94p0ryJpQHJQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<71F0A525-2221-404E-BA45-EC3EC81E3B46@arrl.net>
	<25591f5d-9a57-e31b-6ef0-7517ef836397@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <FBA4F617-4311-49C3-B442-88955507448E@arrl.net>

Using just one of 20 ?extra? spurs, I measuredthe spur peak at -90 with the preamp on. Base line is -125 with it on.

Turning off the preamp, the peak is -75, base line -112.

The s/n remains basically with preamp on and off.  The main thing is, Those spurs were not there previously. 

I just took the PX3 out to the shop and hooked it to another supply.  The spurs are still there.

Dave
> On Jul 16, 2017, at 10:22 PM, Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Dave,
> 
> The KX3 is designed to be operated with the preamp on most of the time. The only reason to turn it off is when extremely strong signals are encountered.
> 
> The preamp eliminates many spurious signals that are actually out of band due to its signal rejection "filtering".  That has nothing to do with the sensitivity, and it can kill extraneous results such as you are seeing.
> 
> If it makes those responses substantial with the preamp on, then there may be a problem to be addressed.
> 
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
> 
> On 7/16/2017 10:07 PM, Dave Sublette wrote:
>> Good point.  However I am on 20 meters, which really doesn?t need the preamp.  Besides, the spikes are 40 dB high or so.  No, this behavior is definitely looking like a failure.  I have one more thing to try.  I will carry it out to the shop in my garage and plug it in.  If it is the same there as in here, it?s not any external influence.  Thanks for hanging in there with me.
>> 73,
>> Dave
>>> On Jul 16, 2017, at 9:56 PM, Dale Boresz <dmboresz at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Dave, make sure that the preamp is engaged on your KX3. If the preamp is off and you are receiving on a quiet band, you'll see "stuff" that would normally be covered by the band noise. Turn on the preamp, and the artifacts that you're seeing should be pushed below the noise floor of just about any band.


From dmboresz at gmail.com  Sun Jul 16 23:24:34 2017
From: dmboresz at gmail.com (Dale Boresz)
Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2017 23:24:34 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 Problem?
In-Reply-To: <FBA4F617-4311-49C3-B442-88955507448E@arrl.net>
References: <DC9FC195-58AF-4E51-95AF-7A02D7101DB5@arrl.net>
	<CAPkaV9B3T3Pe3E9eFAYd0adpPgQW3p0h3eKUKx94p0ryJpQHJQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<71F0A525-2221-404E-BA45-EC3EC81E3B46@arrl.net>
	<25591f5d-9a57-e31b-6ef0-7517ef836397@embarqmail.com>
	<FBA4F617-4311-49C3-B442-88955507448E@arrl.net>
Message-ID: <CAPkaV9D_AhyYTYoR7froC5_M5HkgVt2NTSOyhBG6snVFwM1YtQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Dave,

Just checked my KX3/PX3 and with no antenna, I am also seeing spur peaks
about 25 to 30 dB above the noise floor.

With the PX3 SPAN set to 30 KHz:

On 20 meters, when I turn the preamp ON (20dB preamp setting), and connect
my HexBeam, I only see 20m band noise at about -112 dBm; there is no sign
of the spurs. If I turn the preamp OFF, then I do see some of the spurs
about 5 - 8 dBm above the noise floor.

To provide some idea of my actual noise floor on 20 meters, my P3 indicates
-124 dBm (also with a SPAN of 30 KHz), and three other SDR radios also read
-124 dBm on their respective panadapter displays, each set to a span of 30
KHz.

Do you still see any of the spurs with your antenna connected on 20 meters,
and the 20 dB preamp engaged?

73,

Dale - WA8SRA






On Sun, Jul 16, 2017 at 10:47 PM, Dave Sublette <k4to at arrl.net> wrote:

> Using just one of 20 ?extra? spurs, I measuredthe spur peak at -90 with
> the preamp on. Base line is -125 with it on.
>
> Turning off the preamp, the peak is -75, base line -112.
>
> The s/n remains basically with preamp on and off.  The main thing is,
> Those spurs were not there previously.
>
> I just took the PX3 out to the shop and hooked it to another supply.  The
> spurs are still there.
>
> Dave
> > On Jul 16, 2017, at 10:22 PM, Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Dave,
> >
> > The KX3 is designed to be operated with the preamp on most of the time.
> The only reason to turn it off is when extremely strong signals are
> encountered.
> >
> > The preamp eliminates many spurious signals that are actually out of
> band due to its signal rejection "filtering".  That has nothing to do with
> the sensitivity, and it can kill extraneous results such as you are seeing.
> >
> > If it makes those responses substantial with the preamp on, then there
> may be a problem to be addressed.
> >
> > 73,
> > Don W3FPR
> >
> > On 7/16/2017 10:07 PM, Dave Sublette wrote:
> >> Good point.  However I am on 20 meters, which really doesn?t need the
> preamp.  Besides, the spikes are 40 dB high or so.  No, this behavior is
> definitely looking like a failure.  I have one more thing to try.  I will
> carry it out to the shop in my garage and plug it in.  If it is the same
> there as in here, it?s not any external influence.  Thanks for hanging in
> there with me.
> >> 73,
> >> Dave
> >>> On Jul 16, 2017, at 9:56 PM, Dale Boresz <dmboresz at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Dave, make sure that the preamp is engaged on your KX3. If the preamp
> is off and you are receiving on a quiet band, you'll see "stuff" that would
> normally be covered by the band noise. Turn on the preamp, and the
> artifacts that you're seeing should be pushed below the noise floor of just
> about any band.
>
>

From mattz at elecraft.com  Sun Jul 16 23:46:19 2017
From: mattz at elecraft.com (Matt Zilmer)
Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2017 20:46:19 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] QRPworks SideKar
In-Reply-To: <E417200A-DD41-48E0-930B-5C882CB20425@law.du.edu>
References: <E417200A-DD41-48E0-930B-5C882CB20425@law.du.edu>
Message-ID: <ca07199a-ea57-8efe-6a7d-482da495bbbb@elecraft.com>

I bought the SideKar plus because QRPWorks was right across the aisle 
from our booth at Dayton(Xenia now).  I was facing them all weekend. 
I've had no trouble with it and am pleased with the user experience so 
far. I recommend QRPWorks productsfor this reason.

73,

matt W6NIA


On 7/16/2017 6:58 PM, Dauer, Edward wrote:
> Is anyone using the QRPWorks SideKar or SideKar plus?  I am thinking about buying one to use with both the K3 (updated with the K3S goodies) and the KX3.  I would appreciate hearing from anyone who is willing to share their experience with it.
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Ted, KN1CBR
>
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From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Mon Jul 17 00:29:03 2017
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2017 21:29:03 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] New Digital Mode and K3S Frequency Accuracy
In-Reply-To: <CACw0PsZdpYWMQs6+c+LXSCCSkA0eKPStEDAzhP7a-qmG4sgqfw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <B680D124-3ECB-4FF3-861B-CEF3239C7383@elecraft.com>
	<CAFYRpHsNaK_VmpGBTiw5zDonRb6PqC_LqOcdPYDWGM907=aWUg@mail.gmail.com>
	<alpine.BSF.2.20.1707160318270.3472@tara>
	<ed08907e-0035-36f1-65a9-0396997e1d31@blomand.net>
	<CACw0PsZdpYWMQs6+c+LXSCCSkA0eKPStEDAzhP7a-qmG4sgqfw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <72b55ff4-9032-0b5f-15fd-55becd05fd26@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On 7/16/2017 10:54 AM, Christopher Hoover wrote:
> JT65 can decode arbitrary messages down to -24 dB (and certain messages
> down to -32 dB).

When functioning as a multi-decoder, late versions of WSJT-X often give 
me good decodes in the range of -24 to -29dB re: the full bandwidth 
noise floor, and they also include second-pass decoding for signals 
missed during the first pass. It is, for example, common to decode 2-3 
responses to the same CQ, all within a few Hz of each other. Second pass 
decoding subtracts out the decoded signals and then decodes what's left.

Particularly impressive was what happened when a W7-area station was 
calling JA7QVI on 6M, but got out of sync so that he was calling on the 
same cycle as JA7QVI. Both stations were decoded on consecutive passes, 
even though the W7-area station was 10-12 dB louder and nearly zero beat!

JT65 often decodes signals that overlap each other. FT8 does not, but 
FT8 signals only occupy about one-quarter the bandwidth of a JT65 signal.

73, Jim K9YC


From donovanf at starpower.net  Mon Jul 17 01:30:24 2017
From: donovanf at starpower.net (donovanf at starpower.net)
Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2017 01:30:24 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Elecraft] Brief VHF Contest report using FT8 on 6 meters
In-Reply-To: <72b55ff4-9032-0b5f-15fd-55becd05fd26@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Message-ID: <402938950.1690.1500269424213.JavaMail.root@starpower.net>

I had limited time this weekend, and decided to operate only on 6 meters 
using only the new FT8 digital mode. I operated for only one hour on 
Saturday evening and three hours on Sunday, mostly in the afternoon. 



My result was 70 QSOs in 35 grids. Of course it was much slower than 
CW and SSB but much faster than JT65 where the QSO rate would have 
been prohibitively slow. The number of QSOs could have been easily 
doubled with better propagation during the four hours when I was active. 


22 QSOs were completed during which the FT8 software reported 
SNRs from my receiver below -10 dB. Some of these 22 QSOs may 
have been difficult to complete on CW. 


-11 dB 3 QSOs 
-12 dB 4 QSOs 
-13 dB 4 QSOs 
-15 dB 3 QSOs 
-16 dB 3 QSOs 
-17 dB 2 QSOs 
-18 dB 2 QSOs 
-19 dB 1 QSO 


There's an opportunity to significantly improve the FT8 contest QSO 
rate by introducing a Contest Mode that eliminates the 73 TX Message. 
In my opinion there's no need for the 73 TX Message in contests, 
if FT8 software doesn't receive the RRR message it automatically 
resends the previous TX message until the RRR message is received. 
If an RRR TX message is not received the QSO is not logged. 
This FT8 behavior is unambiguous with no need for the 73 TX Message. 


The 15 second sequences worked very well, there was never a need 
for additional delay between sequences because in almost every case 
when I started the next sequence a few seconds late the FT8 software 
decoded my transmission despite my delay. Better behavior of the 
automatic CQ reply function -- so that it functions exactly like 
double-clicking on the call of the station replying to a CQ -- would 
have eliminated most of those delayed TX messages 


It was a very enjoyable experience, kudos to the FT8 development team. 


73 
Frank 
W3LPL 










From rv6amark at yahoo.com  Mon Jul 17 02:07:59 2017
From: rv6amark at yahoo.com (Mark Petiford)
Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2017 06:07:59 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] QRPworks SideKar
In-Reply-To: <E417200A-DD41-48E0-930B-5C882CB20425@law.du.edu>
References: <E417200A-DD41-48E0-930B-5C882CB20425@law.du.edu>
Message-ID: <1068062915.1719738.1500271679866@mail.yahoo.com>

Ted,


Re:? "I would appreciate hearing from anyone who is willing to share their experience with it."

I can't speak to the SideKar, but I can speak to the support the company provides.? I purchased a Ham Central Terminal (HCT, forerunner of the SideKar) from a list member for use with my KX3.? Sometime later I learned that there was new firmware for the HCT, so I sent an e-mail to QRP Works, explaining I was interested in the upgrade but that I had not purchased the unit from them.? They replied with the new firmware and the utility to install it.? When I had a problem with the installation, they provided additional suggestions, and the firmware load was successful.? I believe this was over and above what they were required to do. 


 I use the HCT for keyboard support for the KX3's native digital modes, and to provide backup decoding of CW.? I prefer to copy CW in my head but refer to the HCT occasionally for something I may have missed.? Logging appears to be useful, but I haven't taken the time to learn it yet.


Mark,
KE6BB




From gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk  Mon Jul 17 04:35:44 2017
From: gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk (David Anderson)
Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2017 09:35:44 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 Problem?
In-Reply-To: <DC9FC195-58AF-4E51-95AF-7A02D7101DB5@arrl.net>
References: <DC9FC195-58AF-4E51-95AF-7A02D7101DB5@arrl.net>
Message-ID: <E069A902-F1BA-45CC-8BE0-F46F600A5DE4@yahoo.co.uk>

One other thing, have you perhaps got the PX3 Noise Blanker switched on and the PX3 NB level turned up high? That causes spikes at the centre.  (I am not referring to the KX3 noise blanker) 

73 from David GM4JJJ

> On 16 Jul 2017, at 23:06, Dave Sublette <k4to at arrl.net> wrote:
> 
> I have had my PX3 for a little over a year (I think).  It has been used sparingly.  Until this afternoon, it has worked perfectly.  Now I see a spike in the center of the display and periodic spikes across the entire screen. Almost all are symmetrical in frequency and amplitude about the center line. There are some that are not symmetrical.  I have plugged and unplugged all the cables, taking care to see that each is fully into the socket.
> 
> So, perhaps I have a failure that requires returning to Elecraft?  Have any of you had the same experience?
> 
> 73,
> 
> Dave, K4TO
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From gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk  Mon Jul 17 04:42:27 2017
From: gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk (David Anderson)
Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2017 09:42:27 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 Problem?
In-Reply-To: <432D51BA-B3EC-40F7-B950-1CE2B5B0E789@arrl.net>
References: <DC9FC195-58AF-4E51-95AF-7A02D7101DB5@arrl.net>
	<432D51BA-B3EC-40F7-B950-1CE2B5B0E789@arrl.net>
Message-ID: <0A967DD5-0FF3-492B-8CEC-6EEFB3BB8A31@yahoo.co.uk>

This comes up quite often, and here is a reply from Wayne about it. You can check your PX3 as follows.

> Are you using a PX3 or P3? Assuming it's a PX3, try this:
> 
> - make sure RX I/Q is set to ON (KX3 menu)
> - make sure the PX3->KX3 cables are fully seated
> - connect an antenna to the KX3
> - switch to 20 meters
> - turn the preamp ON and set the PREAMP menu entry on the KX3 to 20 dB
> - set the PX3's SPAN to 50 kHz or lower
> - adjust the REF level so the "grass" (noise floor) is close to the bottom of the spectralplot
> 
> With the above setup, there will typically be no visible fixed spectral lines on the PX3.
> 
> As described in the PX3 FAQ on our web site, very wide SPAN settings and low front-end gain (e.g., turning off the preamp) will reduce the signal-to-noise ratio of an RX I/Q-based pandapter, including making wideband spurs more apparent. The same limitations apply when using the KX3 (or other quadrature downconversion radio) with a PC sound card. Typically this doesn't impact usability, e.g. locating signals of interest. In fact most sound cards are limited to displaying about 48 kHz of spectrum, while the PX3 can go wider thanks to its high-performance/high-speed A-to-D converter.

73 from David GM4JJJ

> On 16 Jul 2017, at 23:47, Dave Sublette <k4to at arrl.net> wrote:
> 
> Tnx Roger and Matt.  Roger ? I don?t have the KX3/PX3 interfaced with the audio on the computer.  I do have the usb port connected.
> 
> Matt ? I believe it is the 2.5 mm jacks that carry the Rx I/Q between the KX3 and PX3.  I unplugged the antenna and the spikes are still there.  I unplugged the Rx I/Q plug from the PX3 and the irregularly space spikes went away and the regularly spaced spikes were still there at the same levels as when the cable was plugged in.
> 
> I?m still thinking there is a failure in the PX3.
> 
> Dave
>> On Jul 16, 2017, at 6:06 PM, Dave Sublette <k4to at arrl.net> wrote:
>> 
>> I have had my PX3 for a little over a year (I think).  It has been used sparingly.  Until this afternoon, it has worked perfectly.  Now I see a spike in the center of the display and periodic spikes across the entire screen. Almost all are symmetrical in frequency and amplitude about the center line. There are some that are not symmetrical.  I have plugged and unplugged all the cables, taking care to see that each is fully into the socket.
>> 
>> So, perhaps I have a failure that requires returning to Elecraft?  Have any of you had the same experience?
>> 
>> 73,
>> 
>> Dave, K4TO
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From k4to at arrl.net  Mon Jul 17 08:46:19 2017
From: k4to at arrl.net (Dave Sublette)
Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2017 08:46:19 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] PX3 Problem?
In-Reply-To: <0A967DD5-0FF3-492B-8CEC-6EEFB3BB8A31@yahoo.co.uk>
References: <DC9FC195-58AF-4E51-95AF-7A02D7101DB5@arrl.net>
	<432D51BA-B3EC-40F7-B950-1CE2B5B0E789@arrl.net>
	<0A967DD5-0FF3-492B-8CEC-6EEFB3BB8A31@yahoo.co.uk>
Message-ID: <FCB910F2-4D50-4A28-ACD7-8FBE38B6A918@arrl.net>

Good morning all,

I read all of the latest suggestions, and they were good ones.  I got into the menu and determined that the noise blanker was off, as it should have been.  The PX3 seems to be working properly now and the main thing that helped was turning on the preamp in the KX3.  I use the KX3 on 28 MHz as an IF for several VHF transverters.  Since I have mast mounted preamps for each band, I thought it would be better to turn off the internal preamp in the KX3.  BUT ? I also work HF with the KX3 and that is where I was having the ?spur problem?. So, when I turned the preamp back on in the KX3 it all went away.  

I thank you all for your patient and kind help.  I learn a little every time I go through one of these exercises.  It?s good for me to keep up.  60 years ago, when I got my first ticket, the equipment to do what the KX3 does today would have filled a wall in my shack. In fact, there wasn?t any equipment available to do what the KX3 does in some ways.  It?s a great thing, this radio stuff.  But I think the best thing about it is the people we interact with.

73 all,

Dave, K4TO

> On Jul 17, 2017, at 4:42 AM, David Anderson <gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> This comes up quite often, and here is a reply from Wayne about it. You can check your PX3 as follows.
> 
>> Are you using a PX3 or P3? Assuming it's a PX3, try this:
>> 
>> - make sure RX I/Q is set to ON (KX3 menu)
>> - make sure the PX3->KX3 cables are fully seated
>> - connect an antenna to the KX3
>> - switch to 20 meters
>> - turn the preamp ON and set the PREAMP menu entry on the KX3 to 20 dB
>> - set the PX3's SPAN to 50 kHz or lower
>> - adjust the REF level so the "grass" (noise floor) is close to the bottom of the spectral <x-apple-data-detectors://7>plot
>> 
>> With the above setup, there will typically be no visible fixed spectral lines on the PX3.
>> 
>> As described in the PX3 FAQ on our web site, very wide SPAN settings and low front-end gain (e.g., turning off the preamp) will reduce the signal-to-noise ratio of an RX I/Q-based pandapter, including making wideband spurs more apparent. The same limitations apply when using the KX3 (or other quadrature downconversion radio) with a PC sound card. Typically this doesn't impact usability, e.g. locating signals of interest. In fact most sound cards are limited to displaying about 48 kHz of spectrum, while the PX3 can go wider thanks to its high-performance/high-speed A-to-D converter.
> 
> 73 from David GM4JJJ
> 
> On 16 Jul 2017, at 23:47, Dave Sublette <k4to at arrl.net <mailto:k4to at arrl.net>> wrote:
> 
>> Tnx Roger and Matt.  Roger ? I don?t have the KX3/PX3 interfaced with the audio on the computer.  I do have the usb port connected.
>> 
>> Matt ? I believe it is the 2.5 mm jacks that carry the Rx I/Q between the KX3 and PX3.  I unplugged the antenna and the spikes are still there.  I unplugged the Rx I/Q plug from the PX3 and the irregularly space spikes went away and the regularly spaced spikes were still there at the same levels as when the cable was plugged in.
>> 
>> I?m still thinking there is a failure in the PX3.
>> 
>> Dave
>>> On Jul 16, 2017, at 6:06 PM, Dave Sublette <k4to at arrl.net <mailto:k4to at arrl.net>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I have had my PX3 for a little over a year (I think).  It has been used sparingly.  Until this afternoon, it has worked perfectly.  Now I see a spike in the center of the display and periodic spikes across the entire screen. Almost all are symmetrical in frequency and amplitude about the center line. There are some that are not symmetrical.  I have plugged and unplugged all the cables, taking care to see that each is fully into the socket.
>>> 
>>> So, perhaps I have a failure that requires returning to Elecraft?  Have any of you had the same experience?
>>> 
>>> 73,
>>> 
>>> Dave, K4TO
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From raysills3 at verizon.net  Mon Jul 17 11:31:34 2017
From: raysills3 at verizon.net (Raymond Sills)
Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2017 11:31:34 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] QRPworks SideKar
In-Reply-To: <1068062915.1719738.1500271679866@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <15d512d11a9-61c4-a460@webprd-m83.mail.aol.com>

I, too, have had excellent support from QRPworks with my Ham Central Terminal.  The SideKar is a newer product and does a bit more than the HCT, so I'm sure anyone would do well with it.  I had used my HCT for Field Day to send QSO info and for logging.  


73 de Ray
K2ULR
KX3 #211



From tom.parish at gmail.com  Mon Jul 17 11:38:49 2017
From: tom.parish at gmail.com (Tom Parish)
Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2017 10:38:49 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Message-ID: <CAE545y2UZiAeRv8-sBHqjpr04FKh4_FTs8u3z2i70K4n_-JriQ@mail.gmail.com>

I have a feeling I've bumble-fingered something on my KX2 configuration for
CW decoding.

CW decoding is not happening anymore with received signals. Though, oddly,
it's working when I touch the paddles.

As background, I had installed for test purposes Ham Radio Deluxe Software.
After I used it this weekend (well tried to use it) I found my KX2 in an
odd state.  This is likely unreleated but it was something I noticed.

Problem: I'm not seeing any CW decoding anymore except when I manually
touch the paddles.

I can hear CW signals coming in strong but no decoding seems to be occuring
for them.

Settings:
MODE: CW
FILTER: .45
CWT:  on
Logging: On
Green LED is showing
RX Thr - I've tried from THR1-THR4 - no change
The "T" is showing in the lower right hand corner

Is there some other setting I may have inadvertently changed?

appreciatively
Tom
KB5RF


-- 

Inspire Curiosity Together
Bildr <http://www.bildr.com> - no code programming platform
512-782-4814 KB5RF

From pa0pje at xs4all.nl  Mon Jul 17 12:33:42 2017
From: pa0pje at xs4all.nl (Peter Eijlander (PA0PJE))
Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2017 18:33:42 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] Really OT: Inside-the-vehicle HF antennas (possible
 bonus points)
In-Reply-To: <000001d2fe55$a50b1d50$ef2157f0$@biz>
References: <57162321-F76E-4E08-AC32-106D45A5F70A@elecraft.com>
	<CAF15Ws3n-jMSqcBwkqh4X11mCykg6nvReOvvjPGjzascY=i2ig@mail.gmail.com>
	<000001d2fe55$a50b1d50$ef2157f0$@biz>
Message-ID: <6c7ebbcb-e238-96f8-d560-9852eaf34de0@xs4all.nl>

Not only FM, Ron. In my car it's for both FM, MW and LW
The lines are formed in a strange way, not just horizontal parallel 
wires but here and there are openings. It works well on all three bands, 
that is until the last MW and LW transmitters are turned off here in 
Europe and FM will be left alone... FM is largely swapped for DAB+ at 
the moment.

72,
Peter

Op 2017-07-16 om 19:04 schreef Ron D'Eau Claire:
> I thought that was how FM antennas were implemented in some cars already, but without using resistance wire.
> 
> 73, Ron AC7AC

From huntinhmb at coastside.net  Mon Jul 17 12:57:28 2017
From: huntinhmb at coastside.net (Brian Hunt)
Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2017 09:57:28 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
In-Reply-To: <CAE545y2UZiAeRv8-sBHqjpr04FKh4_FTs8u3z2i70K4n_-JriQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAE545y2UZiAeRv8-sBHqjpr04FKh4_FTs8u3z2i70K4n_-JriQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1F2353E8-2870-43D4-B1AA-4DFCDB66685F@coastside.net>

Is the RF gain all the way up (-0)?  Preamp ON?  Is the CWT cursor blinking with the received CW?  Make sure the filter is centered on the PITCH tone (indicated by the *. Use the SPT to tune the signal. 

Just a few thoughts. Hope it helps. 

73,
Brian, K0DTJ

> On Jul 17, 2017, at 08:38, Tom Parish <tom.parish at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I have a feeling I've bumble-fingered something on my KX2 configuration for
> CW decoding.
> 
> 


From kk7p4dsp at gmail.com  Mon Jul 17 13:11:30 2017
From: kk7p4dsp at gmail.com (Lyle Johnson)
Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2017 10:11:30 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Really OT: Inside-the-vehicle HF antennas (possible
 bonus points)
In-Reply-To: <6c7ebbcb-e238-96f8-d560-9852eaf34de0@xs4all.nl>
References: <57162321-F76E-4E08-AC32-106D45A5F70A@elecraft.com>
	<CAF15Ws3n-jMSqcBwkqh4X11mCykg6nvReOvvjPGjzascY=i2ig@mail.gmail.com>
	<000001d2fe55$a50b1d50$ef2157f0$@biz>
	<6c7ebbcb-e238-96f8-d560-9852eaf34de0@xs4all.nl>
Message-ID: <9d126ff0-5a4b-12fd-b525-c88ac44dab92@gmail.com>

In my Model S all AM/FM broadcast reception antennas are hidden in the 
driver-side mirror housing.

I suggest you simply make a physically small antenna that can fit under 
some plastic part of your car.   Wayne has a Prius so it is mostly 
plastic bodywork providing lots of opportunities.

Then insert the small antenna into a very low loss, extremely high-k 
dielectric to make the physically small antenna electrically resonant at 
the desired frequency.  If it works, patent the dielectric material!

You can then encase a typical satellite TV dish in the same dielectric 
and have a very directional HF beam and get around all the HOA problems 
for those who operate radio while NOT in their car :-)

Air as a dielectric is so 20th century...

73,

Lyle KK7P


From gmentro at gmail.com  Mon Jul 17 13:24:03 2017
From: gmentro at gmail.com (Gary Mentro)
Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2017 13:24:03 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Looking to enhance my KX3 station
Message-ID: <002201d2ff21$7d27a700$7776f500$@com>

 

I am looking for both the PX3 and the KXPA100 with the tuner installed with
all the associated cables.

 

If you are thinking about selling yours please let me know what you are
asking. 

I also have a beautiful ALS-600S w/PS that I would be willing to trade if
someone has interest in that.

 

PayPal is definitely preferred. My zip is 33525 for shipping calculations.
Thanks for reading this and sharing.

 

Gary N3OS   gmentro at gmail.com or n3os at arrl.net 

 

 


From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Mon Jul 17 15:04:34 2017
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2017 14:04:34 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
In-Reply-To: <CAE545y2UZiAeRv8-sBHqjpr04FKh4_FTs8u3z2i70K4n_-JriQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAE545y2UZiAeRv8-sBHqjpr04FKh4_FTs8u3z2i70K4n_-JriQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7fd78b4a-0e87-2b7c-3353-7ab667341969@blomand.net>

I have found certain instances when using a software program to control 
/ communicate with the radio, when closing the software application it 
may not terminate correctly and thus leave some odd data in the radio or 
leave the radio in questionable or unknown state.  This most often 
occurs when one shuts down the station, thus turning the radio off 
before closing the program.   In many cases, a master reset of the radio 
corrects the issue.........until next time.

Power up and power down sequence along with software initialization and 
termination can be problematic.   For the most part I allow the computer 
to fully boot, have the radio off but connected to the computer, turn on 
the power supply, turn on the radio, load the operating software / 
application on the computer. To shut down, close the software / 
application on the computer, turn off the radio, turn off the power 
supply and finally shut down the computer.  Your sequence may vary 
somewhat depending on your station configuration.


73

Bob, K4TAX

K3S s/n 10163


On 7/17/2017 10:38 AM, Tom Parish wrote:
> I have a feeling I've bumble-fingered something on my KX2 configuration for
> CW decoding.
>
> CW decoding is not happening anymore with received signals. Though, oddly,
> it's working when I touch the paddles.
>
> As background, I had installed for test purposes Ham Radio Deluxe Software.
> After I used it this weekend (well tried to use it) I found my KX2 in an
> odd state.  This is likely unreleated but it was something I noticed.
>
> Problem: I'm not seeing any CW decoding anymore except when I manually
> touch the paddles.
>
> I can hear CW signals coming in strong but no decoding seems to be occuring
> for them.
>
> Settings:
> MODE: CW
> FILTER: .45
> CWT:  on
> Logging: On
> Green LED is showing
> RX Thr - I've tried from THR1-THR4 - no change
> The "T" is showing in the lower right hand corner
>
> Is there some other setting I may have inadvertently changed?
>
> appreciatively
> Tom
> KB5RF
>
>



From mt.grewe at gmail.com  Mon Jul 17 15:14:10 2017
From: mt.grewe at gmail.com (Martin Theodor Grewe)
Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2017 21:14:10 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 (SN01674) and CW in SSB - Feature request
Message-ID: <CAD5pLL=zBD19L7R8t8HWEW4dV_jnJ_n-UC3gywbHTpBD2jCMnQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Elecraft,

and also a "high five" to David - met you on "HAM radio 2017" at QRP
project!!
Thanks for your time and the nice discussion.

Now my very special problem I try to post to the "masses" to explain
how to improve transverter work at frequencies from 23cm up to 1.5cm with
KX3.
Hopefully other OMs might have similar problems or requests.

In 2012 I ordered the KX3 - was not aware of its "nifty gifty" features -
just would like
to do shortwave and some, when available, 2m repeater work also.

in 2013 I joined the VHF-contest station "DL0LN" here in germany an its a
pleasure to
work with all the SHF guys and equipment. All transverters in these days
worked "on its own".
You have to have change cables, use one IC 202, next band another IC 202
etc.
This was a bit too much "overhead" for me.

In december 2015 I could purchase a nice transverterbox, all included, it
needs only
146 MHz drive and only one antenna. So I tried to use my good old KX3 for
these bands @146 MHz.
And: Its working! All bands are stable (after temperature compensating the
LO, see application note).

One Contestmember, Oliver, DJ2QZ and I, DL1MTG, tried to do an optimization
and spend hours
to find and configure the best settings working for SSB and CW operating.

Well, one big finding was "doing CW in SSB mode" so called *C**W-IN-SSB*.
The frequency is at
SHF contest work extremly important - a small change in freq and the QSO is
lost. Therefore
it is a pleasure to call in SSB, station is answering in CW, very weak
signal: *C**W-IN-SSB *is possible.
And now the request: station did not get my call, I have to activate
Voice-Keyer again! But stop,
He can only read my CW signal - lets activate the CW-Keyer... ups, have to
change mode from SSB to
CW - to activate CW keyer: frequency lost!!! Station lost, no QSO!! To
explain further: I also now
the "SSB/CW VFO Offset" - but this is not helpful in "transverterbusiness".

I'd like to get something like "working in SSB", hear an answer in CW,
activate memory 3 or 4 which is only
used in "*C**W-IN-SSB", *to send a CQ-Call from memory 3 or an "QRZ QRZ
DL0LN DL0LN" from
memory 4 etc. in SSB - CW-IN-SSB oc.

Its a special case. Why is it necessary to mix up SSB and CW - this ist the
only case
I know at this time:-) Hopefully other stations have similar requests?

Kind regards,
Martin, DL1MTG / DL0LN

From serussell at gmail.com  Mon Jul 17 15:22:26 2017
From: serussell at gmail.com (Scott Russell)
Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2017 15:22:26 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] Power On/Off Feature Request
Message-ID: <CABDoXR+HpU7JSMPJJxbT8jM-H2LwunnANub_N9pLrtfG_wKWBw@mail.gmail.com>

Would it be possible to add a menu feature to change the Power On/Off
button combo to buttons on the bottom row, for example PRE+DLY.

I find when using the KX3 as a base radio the BAND+ATU TUNER buttons are
more difficult to press at the same time as would buttons across the bottom
row.

Thanks!

-- 
Scott Russell, N1SER

From nr4c at widomaker.com  Mon Jul 17 18:16:13 2017
From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c)
Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2017 18:16:13 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] Power On/Off Feature Request
In-Reply-To: <CABDoXR+HpU7JSMPJJxbT8jM-H2LwunnANub_N9pLrtfG_wKWBw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABDoXR+HpU7JSMPJJxbT8jM-H2LwunnANub_N9pLrtfG_wKWBw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0ADF32C5-1DF1-43DD-8674-2CE219ECF5C8@widomaker.com>

That's kinda the idea!  It's harder to have the radio accidentally get turned on while hiking up the mountain in the backpack. After all, it's a PORTABLE HF radio. 

It does however get to be a pain when used on a desk even in the camper. 

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill


> On Jul 17, 2017, at 3:22 PM, Scott Russell <serussell at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Would it be possible to add a menu feature to change the Power On/Off
> button combo to buttons on the bottom row, for example PRE+DLY.
> 
> I find when using the KX3 as a base radio the BAND+ATU TUNER buttons are
> more difficult to press at the same time as would buttons across the bottom
> row.
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> -- 
> Scott Russell, N1SER
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From serussell at gmail.com  Mon Jul 17 18:45:05 2017
From: serussell at gmail.com (Scott Russell)
Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2017 18:45:05 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] Power On/Off Feature Request
In-Reply-To: <0ADF32C5-1DF1-43DD-8674-2CE219ECF5C8@widomaker.com>
References: <CABDoXR+HpU7JSMPJJxbT8jM-H2LwunnANub_N9pLrtfG_wKWBw@mail.gmail.com>
	<0ADF32C5-1DF1-43DD-8674-2CE219ECF5C8@widomaker.com>
Message-ID: <45853371-BBAF-4DD6-BC3D-BF9FDDF33C7D@gmail.com>

To clarify, I fully understand the reason the button combo is needed. I'm only asking if a menu option could be implemented to use the bottom row as an alternative, not replacing the current setting. With people using the KX3 on the desk and not portable it feels more natural to press the lower buttons. 

Thanks,

Scott N1SER 

> On Jul 17, 2017, at 6:16 PM, Nr4c <nr4c at widomaker.com> wrote:
> 
> That's kinda the idea!  It's harder to have the radio accidentally get turned on while hiking up the mountain in the backpack. After all, it's a PORTABLE HF radio. 
> 
> It does however get to be a pain when used on a desk even in the camper. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> ...nr4c. bill
> 
> 
>> On Jul 17, 2017, at 3:22 PM, Scott Russell <serussell at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Would it be possible to add a menu feature to change the Power On/Off
>> button combo to buttons on the bottom row, for example PRE+DLY.
>> 
>> I find when using the KX3 as a base radio the BAND+ATU TUNER buttons are
>> more difficult to press at the same time as would buttons across the bottom
>> row.
>> 
>> Thanks!
>> 
>> -- 
>> Scott Russell, N1SER
>> ______________________________________________________________
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From kk7p4dsp at gmail.com  Mon Jul 17 19:05:25 2017
From: kk7p4dsp at gmail.com (Lyle Johnson)
Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2017 16:05:25 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] Power On/Off Feature Request
In-Reply-To: <45853371-BBAF-4DD6-BC3D-BF9FDDF33C7D@gmail.com>
References: <CABDoXR+HpU7JSMPJJxbT8jM-H2LwunnANub_N9pLrtfG_wKWBw@mail.gmail.com>
	<0ADF32C5-1DF1-43DD-8674-2CE219ECF5C8@widomaker.com>
	<45853371-BBAF-4DD6-BC3D-BF9FDDF33C7D@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <09411d94-319d-686d-40e2-7fc0b6cc5da8@gmail.com>

The power switch pair is not a software controlled option, but a 
hard-wired circuit that cannot be made configurable.

73,

Lyle KK7P (designer of the board)


On 7/17/17 3:45 PM, Scott Russell wrote:
>>> On Jul 17, 2017, at 3:22 PM, Scott Russell <serussell at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Would it be possible to add a menu feature to change the Power On/Off
>>> button combo to buttons on the bottom row, for example PRE+DLY.


From bill4070 at gmail.com  Mon Jul 17 20:24:32 2017
From: bill4070 at gmail.com (Bill Schwantes)
Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2017 18:24:32 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Digital Voice Recorder Offset
Message-ID: <CAFyNi86Ftn449hMCU_QMDVV5NJKJvjG60XrXzBde6NE0NmX76w@mail.gmail.com>

Greetings,


I have an older K3 with the digital voice recorder.  When I play a
digitally recorded message the monitored audio makes it sound like I?m
listening to a sideband station that?s tuned a couple hundred cycles high.
Others who hear my transmitted signal do not hear this offset.  Does anyone
have ideas why this happens and how to correct it?



73 Bill W7QQ

From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Tue Jul 18 10:07:51 2017
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2017 10:07:51 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 (SN01674) and CW in SSB - Feature request
In-Reply-To: <CAD5pLL=zBD19L7R8t8HWEW4dV_jnJ_n-UC3gywbHTpBD2jCMnQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAD5pLL=zBD19L7R8t8HWEW4dV_jnJ_n-UC3gywbHTpBD2jCMnQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e1be2e69-feed-7cb4-29e9-1d08a0b3ad9a@embarqmail.com>

Martin,

The CW in SSB option already exists in the KX3.  Turn to page 37 in the 
manual and look at the CW WGHT menu description for how to turn it on 
and off.
With it turned on, your CW will be transmitted when touching the paddles 
even though the mode is in SSB.  Your signal will be heard by the other 
operator (listening in SSB mode) at whatever sidetone pitch you have set 
in the KX3.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 7/17/2017 3:14 PM, Martin Theodor Grewe wrote:

> 
> Well, one big finding was "doing CW in SSB mode" so called *C**W-IN-SSB*.
> The frequency is at
> SHF contest work extremly important - a small change in freq and the QSO is
> lost. Therefore
> it is a pleasure to call in SSB, station is answering in CW, very weak
> signal: *C**W-IN-SSB *is possible.
> And now the request: station did not get my call, I have to activate
> Voice-Keyer again! But stop,
> He can only read my CW signal - lets activate the CW-Keyer... ups, have to
> change mode from SSB to
> CW - to activate CW keyer: frequency lost!!! Station lost, no QSO!! To
> explain further: I also now
> the "SSB/CW VFO Offset" - but this is not helpful in "transverterbusiness".
> 
> I'd like to get something like "working in SSB", hear an answer in CW,
> activate memory 3 or 4 which is only
> used in "*C**W-IN-SSB", *to send a CQ-Call from memory 3 or an "QRZ QRZ
> DL0LN DL0LN" from
> memory 4 etc. in SSB - CW-IN-SSB oc.

From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Tue Jul 18 10:12:28 2017
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2017 10:12:28 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
In-Reply-To: <CAE545y2UZiAeRv8-sBHqjpr04FKh4_FTs8u3z2i70K4n_-JriQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAE545y2UZiAeRv8-sBHqjpr04FKh4_FTs8u3z2i70K4n_-JriQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <b8b4365d-7acb-2c33-0057-1d06e088d6ae@embarqmail.com>

Tom,

Have you centered the CW signal in the CWT bargraph?  That is necessary 
- use auto-spot for an easy way to tune the signal to center.
You could try narrowing the filter width to isolate that one signal.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 7/17/2017 11:38 AM, Tom Parish wrote:

> 
> Problem: I'm not seeing any CW decoding anymore except when I manually
> touch the paddles.
> 
> I can hear CW signals coming in strong but no decoding seems to be occuring
> for them.
> 
> Settings:
> MODE: CW
> FILTER: .45
> CWT:  on
> Logging: On
> Green LED is showing
> RX Thr - I've tried from THR1-THR4 - no change
> The "T" is showing in the lower right hand corner

From wp4cw at aol.com  Tue Jul 18 10:53:00 2017
From: wp4cw at aol.com (WP4CW)
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2017 07:53:00 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
In-Reply-To: <b8b4365d-7acb-2c33-0057-1d06e088d6ae@embarqmail.com>
References: <CAE545y2UZiAeRv8-sBHqjpr04FKh4_FTs8u3z2i70K4n_-JriQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<b8b4365d-7acb-2c33-0057-1d06e088d6ae@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <7313E093-E252-4D1B-8089-8CD65A651209@aol.com>



Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 18, 2017, at 7:12 AM, Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Tom,
> 
> Have you centered the CW signal in the CWT bargraph?  That is necessary - use auto-spot for an easy way to tune the signal to center.
> You could try narrowing the filter width to isolate that one signal.
> 
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
> 
>> On 7/17/2017 11:38 AM, Tom Parish wrote:
>> 
>> Problem: I'm not seeing any CW decoding anymore except when I manually
>> touch the paddles.
>> I can hear CW signals coming in strong but no decoding seems to be occuring
>> for them.
>> Settings:
>> MODE: CW
>> FILTER: .45
>> CWT:  on
>> Logging: On
>> Green LED is showing
>> RX Thr - I've tried from THR1-THR4 - no change
>> The "T" is showing in the lower right hand corner
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From tom.parish at gmail.com  Tue Jul 18 10:53:16 2017
From: tom.parish at gmail.com (Tom Parish)
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2017 09:53:16 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
In-Reply-To: <1F2353E8-2870-43D4-B1AA-4DFCDB66685F@coastside.net>
References: <CAE545y2UZiAeRv8-sBHqjpr04FKh4_FTs8u3z2i70K4n_-JriQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<1F2353E8-2870-43D4-B1AA-4DFCDB66685F@coastside.net>
Message-ID: <CAE545y2oqQJ76pdihRzGzbRGijebWPRA5oXonB-NsJFOv_e6oA@mail.gmail.com>

This did it. Problem resolve. Many thanks to all that who responded. This
is one amazing community.

The principle issue was clearly related to running a remote control/logging
software that had radically changed the Kx2 configuration.  Many thanks
to Bob McGraw K4TAX for mentioning this and of course Brian your specific
suggestion of checking the PreAmp gain. It has been pushed down to -60db.
And yes I was wondering what the heck happened regarding overall volume of
the radio but I had previous had some antenna issues and propagation has
been weird here (fewer contacts) and so forth.

Anyway, I'm good. I'm grateful.

Tom

On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 11:57 AM, Brian Hunt <huntinhmb at coastside.net>
wrote:

> Is the RF gain all the way up (-0)?  Preamp ON?  Is the CWT cursor
> blinking with the received CW?  Make sure the filter is centered on the
> PITCH tone (indicated by the *. Use the SPT to tune the signal.
>
> Just a few thoughts. Hope it helps.
>
> 73,
> Brian, K0DTJ
>
> > On Jul 17, 2017, at 08:38, Tom Parish <tom.parish at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > I have a feeling I've bumble-fingered something on my KX2 configuration
> for
> > CW decoding.
> >
> >
>
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From K1ND at comcast.net  Tue Jul 18 11:59:10 2017
From: K1ND at comcast.net (Jan)
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2017 11:59:10 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K2/100 SOLD
Message-ID: <45018426-3725-3c8c-5d87-07feb3518290@comcast.net>

The K2/100 I had available has been "spoken for"  Thanks for the 
interest on the list.  72 Jan K1ND


From serussell at gmail.com  Tue Jul 18 12:11:43 2017
From: serussell at gmail.com (Scott Russell)
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2017 09:11:43 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] Power On/Off Feature Request
In-Reply-To: <09411d94-319d-686d-40e2-7fc0b6cc5da8@gmail.com>
References: <CABDoXR+HpU7JSMPJJxbT8jM-H2LwunnANub_N9pLrtfG_wKWBw@mail.gmail.com>
	<0ADF32C5-1DF1-43DD-8674-2CE219ECF5C8@widomaker.com>
	<45853371-BBAF-4DD6-BC3D-BF9FDDF33C7D@gmail.com>
	<09411d94-319d-686d-40e2-7fc0b6cc5da8@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1500394303117-7632541.post@n2.nabble.com>

Thanks Lyle.

73, Scott N1SER



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From gm3sek at ifwtech.co.uk  Tue Jul 18 12:34:40 2017
From: gm3sek at ifwtech.co.uk (Ian White)
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2017 17:34:40 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] WTB: KXV3A
Message-ID: <01eb01d2ffe3$c61d3e30$5257ba90$@co.uk>

Does anyone have a KXV3A module for sale? (Maybe someone who has
upgraded to a KXV3B.)

If needed, I can pay in US funds with a US shipping address.

73 from Ian GM3SEK




From mdgebhardt2 at gmail.com  Tue Jul 18 14:01:35 2017
From: mdgebhardt2 at gmail.com (Mark Gebhardt)
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2017 13:01:35 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3s Carry Bag
Message-ID: <CAK5iXu2r-3NUz5opgXGM+S2y8Sj0waeCaniBOUsVeHafWdvWoA@mail.gmail.com>

I found a green Coleman 16 can soft side cooler at my local Menards store
for $17 that fits the K3s radio with manual perfectly. It has a plastic
liner which is not needed. The sides are nicely padded and it has a front
pocket for the hand mic and an inside mesh pocket for the power, serial,
and USB cables. If you don't mind red it looks like it is available at
Amazon for $11.

https://smile.amazon.com/Coleman-16-Can-Cooler-Green/dp/B006HFBV2I/ref=pd_lutyp_simh_4_1?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B006HFBV2I&pd_rd_r=C02T38BG935Z4FA297TQ&pd_rd_w=ds5qo&pd_rd_wg=mrm2W&psc=1&refRID=C02T38BG935Z4FA297TQ

Your welcome!

Mark

K9ZQ

From gthornton at thorntonmostullaw.com  Tue Jul 18 14:15:17 2017
From: gthornton at thorntonmostullaw.com (George Thornton)
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2017 18:15:17 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] K3s Carry Bag
In-Reply-To: <CAK5iXu2r-3NUz5opgXGM+S2y8Sj0waeCaniBOUsVeHafWdvWoA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAK5iXu2r-3NUz5opgXGM+S2y8Sj0waeCaniBOUsVeHafWdvWoA@mail.gmail.com>
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I have been using cases like that to transport my K3 to Field Day for a number of years.  Although I thought I was being very careful I found that the radio sustained damage to some of the parts that stick out, specifically the SO239 connector and a knob in the front that cracked.

I now use the Rose Kopp DXpedition case, the one that includes custom dense cell foam padding to protect the protruding parts on the front and back.

I would also think a hard Pelican type case with removable foam sections is another good way to protect your investment.

Given what we pay for this stuff, If you are going to move this around a lot for Field use, I would argue in favor of maximum protection.  The cost of a single repair trip to the factory is going to exceed the price of the best protective case.

From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Mark Gebhardt
Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2017 11:02 AM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] K3s Carry Bag

I found a green Coleman 16 can soft side cooler at my local Menards store
for $17 that fits the K3s radio with manual perfectly. It has a plastic
liner which is not needed. The sides are nicely padded and it has a front
pocket for the hand mic and an inside mesh pocket for the power, serial,
and USB cables. If you don't mind red it looks like it is available at
Amazon for $11.

https://smile.amazon.com/Coleman-16-Can-Cooler-Green/dp/B006HFBV2I/ref=pd_lutyp_simh_4_1?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B006HFBV2I&pd_rd_r=C02T38BG935Z4FA297TQ&pd_rd_w=ds5qo&pd_rd_wg=mrm2W&psc=1&refRID=C02T38BG935Z4FA297TQ

Your welcome!

Mark

K9ZQ
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From k9ztv at socket.net  Tue Jul 18 14:55:32 2017
From: k9ztv at socket.net (KENT TRIMBLE)
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2017 13:55:32 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3s Carry Bag
In-Reply-To: <add76a0dce4849a1a2c11bccfd646554@Server.thorntonmostullaw.com>
References: <CAK5iXu2r-3NUz5opgXGM+S2y8Sj0waeCaniBOUsVeHafWdvWoA@mail.gmail.com>
	<add76a0dce4849a1a2c11bccfd646554@Server.thorntonmostullaw.com>
Message-ID: <ca65eccf-1632-eb0e-1a7a-542e2e4c2c96@socket.net>

http://www.armysurpluswarehouse.com/military-issue-unique-items-odds-and-ends/military-aluminum-pressurized-case-night-vision-goggles-storage-case.html

Perfect protection for a $4,000 K3 at a cost of $25.

Buy a block of foam padding, borrow your wife's electric carving knife, 
and cut the foam to match the contour of the K3.

This has protected mine for 10 years through numerous Field Days, 
Special Events, Scouting affairs, and other rambunctious episodes.

You could drive a truck over it without damaging the K3.  No promises 
for the truck, however.

73,

Kent  K9ZTV


From gordon.lapoint at gmail.com  Tue Jul 18 15:05:22 2017
From: gordon.lapoint at gmail.com (Gordon LaPoint)
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2017 15:05:22 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3s Carry Bag
In-Reply-To: <add76a0dce4849a1a2c11bccfd646554@Server.thorntonmostullaw.com>
References: <CAK5iXu2r-3NUz5opgXGM+S2y8Sj0waeCaniBOUsVeHafWdvWoA@mail.gmail.com>
	<add76a0dce4849a1a2c11bccfd646554@Server.thorntonmostullaw.com>
Message-ID: <37285cdf-e3f8-222e-f696-3a757f437324@gmail.com>

I use a Pelican case for the K3 and a second Pelican case for the P3.  I 
have many trips to VT for various contests, some setup like Field Day, 
along with many Field Day trips.  I have never suffered any damage to 
either the K3 or the P3, just some knob twiddling and finger poking from 
non K3 users that caused some head scratching for a few minutes!
I am very glad that I got Pelican cases for each!  If I decide to start 
taking the KPA-500 I will get another Pelican case for it.

Gordon - N1MGO

On 07/18/2017 02:15 PM, George Thornton wrote:
> I have been using cases like that to transport my K3 to Field Day for a number of years.  Although I thought I was being very careful I found that the radio sustained damage to some of the parts that stick out, specifically the SO239 connector and a knob in the front that cracked.
>
> I now use the Rose Kopp DXpedition case, the one that includes custom dense cell foam padding to protect the protruding parts on the front and back.
>
> I would also think a hard Pelican type case with removable foam sections is another good way to protect your investment.
>
> Given what we pay for this stuff, If you are going to move this around a lot for Field use, I would argue in favor of maximum protection.  The cost of a single repair trip to the factory is going to exceed the price of the best protective case.
>
> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Mark Gebhardt
> Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2017 11:02 AM
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [Elecraft] K3s Carry Bag
>
> I found a green Coleman 16 can soft side cooler at my local Menards store
> for $17 that fits the K3s radio with manual perfectly. It has a plastic
> liner which is not needed. The sides are nicely padded and it has a front
> pocket for the hand mic and an inside mesh pocket for the power, serial,
> and USB cables. If you don't mind red it looks like it is available at
> Amazon for $11.
>
> https://smile.amazon.com/Coleman-16-Can-Cooler-Green/dp/B006HFBV2I/ref=pd_lutyp_simh_4_1?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B006HFBV2I&pd_rd_r=C02T38BG935Z4FA297TQ&pd_rd_w=ds5qo&pd_rd_wg=mrm2W&psc=1&refRID=C02T38BG935Z4FA297TQ
>
> Your welcome!
>
> Mark
>
> K9ZQ
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From sancho at frawg.org  Tue Jul 18 15:27:38 2017
From: sancho at frawg.org (Jack Spitznagel)
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2017 15:27:38 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3s Carry Bag
In-Reply-To: <CAK5iXu2r-3NUz5opgXGM+S2y8Sj0waeCaniBOUsVeHafWdvWoA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAK5iXu2r-3NUz5opgXGM+S2y8Sj0waeCaniBOUsVeHafWdvWoA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F8710E4C-5215-4621-9666-9EDA62C67387@frawg.org>

If you are not worried about run-amok Jeeps and American Tourister gorillas, but are worried about weight, you might consider this or the 22 inch version for more accessories. My entire KX3/PX3/KXPA100 station plus digital stuff and phone fits fine in the smaller.

http://www.mcmelectronics.com/product/22-24115

Not quite as rugged as the high priced original, but passes for carry-on.

Jack KD4IZ 
Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 18, 2017, at 14:01, Mark Gebhardt <mdgebhardt2 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I found a green Coleman 16 can soft side cooler at my local Menards store
> for $17 that fits the K3s radio with manual perfectly. It has a plastic
> liner which is not needed. The sides are nicely padded and it has a front
> pocket for the hand mic and an inside mesh pocket for the power, serial,
> and USB cables. If you don't mind red it looks like it is available at
> Amazon for $11.
> 
> https://smile.amazon.com/Coleman-16-Can-Cooler-Green/dp/B006HFBV2I/ref=pd_lutyp_simh_4_1?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B006HFBV2I&pd_rd_r=C02T38BG935Z4FA297TQ&pd_rd_w=ds5qo&pd_rd_wg=mrm2W&psc=1&refRID=C02T38BG935Z4FA297TQ
> 
> Your welcome!
> 
> Mark
> 
> K9ZQ
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From john at kk9a.com  Tue Jul 18 15:34:44 2017
From: john at kk9a.com (john at kk9a.com)
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2017 15:34:44 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3s Carry Bag
Message-ID: <e9a3c0031d4a18bddd5a26542f7cf1cb.squirrel@www11.qth.com>

I typically one of Rose's bags inside my hard shell carry-on but I also
built a Pelecan case similar to AE9K ->
http://www.ae9k.com/home/elecraft-k-line/transport .

John KK9A



Mark Gebhardt mdgebhardt2 at gmail.com
Tue Jul 18 14:01:35 EDT 2017
Previous message: [Elecraft] WTB: KXV3A

I found a green Coleman 16 can soft side cooler at my local Menards store
for $17 that fits the K3s radio with manual perfectly. It has a plastic
liner which is not needed. The sides are nicely padded and it has a front
pocket for the hand mic and an inside mesh pocket for the power, serial,
and USB cables. If you don't mind red it looks like it is available at
Amazon for $11.

https://smile.amazon.com/Coleman-16-Can-Cooler-Green/dp/B006HFBV2I/ref=pd_lutyp_simh_4_1?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B006HFBV2I&pd_rd_r=C02T38BG935Z4FA297TQ&pd_rd_w=ds5qo&pd_rd_wg=mrm2W&psc=1&refRID=C02T38BG935Z4FA297TQ

Your welcome!

Mark

K9ZQ


From elecraftcovers at gmail.com  Tue Jul 18 15:54:34 2017
From: elecraftcovers at gmail.com (Rose)
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2017 13:54:34 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] About Rose's cases... and covers
Message-ID: <CAK+fsRXdP6u2tT_Pt5KNUgpQgRRpMGxiCC-gVnubTchWZOqcAw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all!

I apologize for the general posting, but there seems to be
some interest about carrying cases for K3's.

Have a look at http://tinyurl.com/7lm3m5 .  It's the closest thing
I have to a web site.  If you need more specific information like
dimensions, color, padding, etc. I have a "canned" reply that
will answer virtually all your questions ... or message or call me.

You will also find me listed at the bottom of the front page of the
Elecraft webpage.

73!

Rose - N7HKW
ElecraftCovers at gmail.com
1-406-560-3738

From gm3sek at ifwtech.co.uk  Tue Jul 18 16:37:08 2017
From: gm3sek at ifwtech.co.uk (Ian White)
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2017 21:37:08 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] WTB: KXV3A
In-Reply-To: <01eb01d2ffe3$c61d3e30$5257ba90$@co.uk>
References: <01eb01d2ffe3$c61d3e30$5257ba90$@co.uk>
Message-ID: <02c801d30005$a652ff50$f2f8fdf0$@co.uk>

Thanks to several people, it looks like I have found one.

73 from Ian GM3SEK


>-----Original Message-----
>From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-
>bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Ian White
>Sent: 18 July 2017 17:35
>To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net; Elecraft_K3 at yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [Elecraft] WTB: KXV3A
>
>Does anyone have a KXV3A module for sale? (Maybe someone who has
>upgraded to a KXV3B.)
>
>If needed, I can pay in US funds with a US shipping address.
>
>73 from Ian GM3SEK
>
>
>
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From w2ljqrp at gmail.com  Tue Jul 18 19:54:34 2017
From: w2ljqrp at gmail.com (Larry W2LJ)
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2017 19:54:34 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] NAQCC July Sprint this Wednesday Evening
Message-ID: <6cd9a40d9384e047be8b5cc1aec3ace8@192.168.1.10>

The July NAQCC sprint is this coming Wednesday evening local time (July 19th,
EDT - 8:30-10:30PM, CDT - 7:30-9:30PM, MDT - 6:30-8:30PM, PDT - 5:30-7:30PM),
which translates as Thursday, July 20th, 0030 to 0230Z in all cases.

For all the "official" information, please go to:

http://naqcc.info/sprint/sprint201707.html

There you will find all the details as to time, frequencies and other important
information.

Certificates: SWA (simple wire antennas) certificates by call area, VE and DX
for 1st, 2nd and 3rd place finishers (New!). A Certificate for top score in the
GAIN antenna category.

Prizes: Too many to list!! - check out the prizes page on our website.

This is a monthly event that caters to the CW veteran, the CW newcomer, straight
key and bug fans. All are welcome to participate (this includes QRO); but you
must use QRP power levels to compete for awards.

If you've been hesitant to join in our sprints because you hear other sprints
running at breakneck speeds, have no fear. Our sprints are geared to the
newcomer to CW and/or contesting. Virtually everyone including the many veteran
contesters who regularly enter our sprints will slow down to YOUR speed to help
you make your contacts.

If you are not already a member of NAQCC... membership is FREE! Now is your
chance to join the largest QRP CW Club in the world!! We currently have 7100+
members in: All 50 States - 9 VE Provinces - 100 Countries. Sign up on the
NAQCC website today (http://naqcc.info/) and receive a handsome certificate,
with your membership number on it, which is good for life.

Come join us and have a real good time!


72/73 de Larry W2LJ
NAQCC #35

for NAQCC
http://naqcc.info/

From ebasilier at cox.net  Tue Jul 18 21:02:14 2017
From: ebasilier at cox.net (Erik Basilier)
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2017 18:02:14 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] OT A/C RFI
Message-ID: <014101d3002a$a9329fd0$fb97df70$@cox.net>

Need to replace my A/C, and worried about getting an RFI generator.

A few years ago I saw some advice about taming a new unit, and maybe even
getting instructions from the manufacturer.

Things change all the time, and at this point I would like to hear from
anyone with fresh advice: Brands to consider with minimal emissions och
solid instructions for filtering them out, etc.

Please reply directly to me, or keep it short on the list.

Thanks in advance,

73,

Erik K7TV


From kkinderen at gmail.com  Tue Jul 18 21:54:47 2017
From: kkinderen at gmail.com (Kevin der Kinderen)
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2017 21:54:47 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] OT A/C RFI
In-Reply-To: <014101d3002a$a9329fd0$fb97df70$@cox.net>
References: <014101d3002a$a9329fd0$fb97df70$@cox.net>
Message-ID: <CAFA9ujs0tBHBTxUwBRpeoWPG6HVw6mspX+5cEZ7EBLXWdrVD1g@mail.gmail.com>

The timing is perfect. Please keep it on the list or add me to your direct
replies. Maybe we can cut it short of the limit for OT subjects without
needing a reminder.

I have not had an AC since last summer and have also not had any noise
around the shack. Now it's just getting to hot to deal without central air
so I'm interviewing my second AC contractor on Thursday. I'd love to hear
some good ham advice on best practices for AC installations.

I was thinking at a minimum a good name brand (not a builders special, not
department store brand), good solid grounding, as far from the shack as
possible (not too possible here).

73,
Kev K4VD



On Tue, Jul 18, 2017 at 9:02 PM, Erik Basilier <ebasilier at cox.net> wrote:

> Need to replace my A/C, and worried about getting an RFI generator.
>
> A few years ago I saw some advice about taming a new unit, and maybe even
> getting instructions from the manufacturer.
>
> Things change all the time, and at this point I would like to hear from
> anyone with fresh advice: Brands to consider with minimal emissions och
> solid instructions for filtering them out, etc.
>
> Please reply directly to me, or keep it short on the list.
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> 73,
>
> Erik K7TV
>
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From dave at nk7z.net  Tue Jul 18 21:58:40 2017
From: dave at nk7z.net (Dave Cole)
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2017 18:58:40 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] OT A/C RFI
In-Reply-To: <014101d3002a$a9329fd0$fb97df70$@cox.net>
References: <014101d3002a$a9329fd0$fb97df70$@cox.net>
Message-ID: <7554464a-353e-e45e-56eb-4e84656d2d85@nk7z.net>

Write it into the contract that the unit will not generate RFI above 
some level you are happy with, as received at your radio, using your 
current antenna, across the entire spectrum your radio covers.

I did, and the installers then made sure it was RFI proof...  I wrote it 
into the contract in general terms that favored me, and left it up to me 
to say yes or no as to if it were acceptable.

Bring it up first, remind them about it later, tell them it is a show 
stopper if the unit generates RFI, put it in writing...

Make sure EVERYTHING is in writing.  Be nice to them, but let them know 
in no uncertain terms that RFI is not acceptable to you, and they will 
be on the hook to correct it if RFI exists as a result of the new unit.

The vendors get really careful when you set things up that way...

73s and thanks,
Dave
NK7Z
http://www.nk7z.net

On 07/18/2017 06:02 PM, Erik Basilier wrote:
> Need to replace my A/C, and worried about getting an RFI generator.
>
> A few years ago I saw some advice about taming a new unit, and maybe even
> getting instructions from the manufacturer.
>
> Things change all the time, and at this point I would like to hear from
> anyone with fresh advice: Brands to consider with minimal emissions och
> solid instructions for filtering them out, etc.
>
> Please reply directly to me, or keep it short on the list.
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> 73,
>
> Erik K7TV
>
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From dave at nk7z.net  Tue Jul 18 22:00:23 2017
From: dave at nk7z.net (Dave Cole)
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2017 19:00:23 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] OT A/C RFI
In-Reply-To: <CAFA9ujs0tBHBTxUwBRpeoWPG6HVw6mspX+5cEZ7EBLXWdrVD1g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <014101d3002a$a9329fd0$fb97df70$@cox.net>
	<CAFA9ujs0tBHBTxUwBRpeoWPG6HVw6mspX+5cEZ7EBLXWdrVD1g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5e311838-b58b-5aa8-567f-b5d282de11cb@nk7z.net>

When this goes off list please add me as well...  Don't tell them what 
to do, tell them you want no RFI.  If you tell them what to do, and it 
does not work, it is your issue...  Make it their issue.  See my 
previous post.

73s and thanks,
Dave
NK7Z
http://www.nk7z.net

On 07/18/2017 06:54 PM, Kevin der Kinderen wrote:
> The timing is perfect. Please keep it on the list or add me to your direct
> replies. Maybe we can cut it short of the limit for OT subjects without
> needing a reminder.
>
> I have not had an AC since last summer and have also not had any noise
> around the shack. Now it's just getting to hot to deal without central air
> so I'm interviewing my second AC contractor on Thursday. I'd love to hear
> some good ham advice on best practices for AC installations.
>
> I was thinking at a minimum a good name brand (not a builders special, not
> department store brand), good solid grounding, as far from the shack as
> possible (not too possible here).
>
> 73,
> Kev K4VD
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 18, 2017 at 9:02 PM, Erik Basilier <ebasilier at cox.net> wrote:
>
>> Need to replace my A/C, and worried about getting an RFI generator.
>>
>> A few years ago I saw some advice about taming a new unit, and maybe even
>> getting instructions from the manufacturer.
>>
>> Things change all the time, and at this point I would like to hear from
>> anyone with fresh advice: Brands to consider with minimal emissions och
>> solid instructions for filtering them out, etc.
>>
>> Please reply directly to me, or keep it short on the list.
>>
>> Thanks in advance,
>>
>> 73,
>>
>> Erik K7TV
>>
>> ______________________________________________________________
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>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
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From w4rks73 at gmail.com  Tue Jul 18 22:04:12 2017
From: w4rks73 at gmail.com (James Wilson)
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2017 21:04:12 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] OT A/C RFI
Message-ID: <CAJNRSCbwZ41XoS5ov4BWwyUEdi522w7O5TKweRZ0pL=BWW3R1w@mail.gmail.com>

I'm sure all of us Elecraft users would be interested
in your findings.  One suggestion - broach the subject
with your contractor / dealer. Let him find from his
supplier what the noise situation is and how their
factory says they can cure it.

The one with the best assistant  may be the better
choice of AC unit.

Jim - W4RKS

From w6jhb at me.com  Tue Jul 18 22:52:41 2017
From: w6jhb at me.com (James Bennett)
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2017 19:52:41 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KX2AT2 vs T1 Tuner?
Message-ID: <49351901-0D9F-4B1C-812C-52A07B21E7BB@me.com>

Thinking very seriously about purchasing a KX2. I have a T1 that I had used a few years ago with another QRP rig. Obviously it will work with the KX2, but I'm wondering how it compares in performance with the internal KX2 unit. Is the T1 as quick to find a match? Is it as quick to pull in a memorized L/C combo when a band change happens? If there is a general consensus that the T1 is on an equal level with the KXAT2, I can save my $179 and use it for the KXPD2 paddle.

Comments?

Jim Bennett / W6JHB
Folsom, CA

From dave.w0zf at gmail.com  Tue Jul 18 23:34:44 2017
From: dave.w0zf at gmail.com (Dave Fugleberg)
Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2017 03:34:44 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] KX2AT2 vs T1 Tuner?
In-Reply-To: <49351901-0D9F-4B1C-812C-52A07B21E7BB@me.com>
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I asked this exact question on this reflector in March, and got some good
and useful replies. You can Google for that discussion on Nabble to see
those technical answers.
Bottom line is that both are fine tuners. I know I could have saved some
money by using the T1 I already own, but in the end I opted to order my KX2
with the KXAT2, and I'm glad I did. It works great, and it's more
convenient than messing with an extra box and coax jumper.
I think the choice comes down to how you want to spend your money, more
than the merits of one tuner over the other, because either one will do the
job very well. I will say that having the internal tuner and an internal
battery makes the KX2 a real grab and go radio!
I'm still using paddles that I already had, but I think the KXPD2 may be in
my future...
73 de W0ZF
On Tue, Jul 18, 2017 at 9:53 PM James Bennett <w6jhb at me.com> wrote:

> Thinking very seriously about purchasing a KX2. I have a T1 that I had
> used a few years ago with another QRP rig. Obviously it will work with the
> KX2, but I'm wondering how it compares in performance with the internal KX2
> unit. Is the T1 as quick to find a match? Is it as quick to pull in a
> memorized L/C combo when a band change happens? If there is a general
> consensus that the T1 is on an equal level with the KXAT2, I can save my
> $179 and use it for the KXPD2 paddle.
>
> Comments?
>
> Jim Bennett / W6JHB
> Folsom, CA
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From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Tue Jul 18 23:40:08 2017
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2017 20:40:08 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] OT A/C RFI
In-Reply-To: <014101d3002a$a9329fd0$fb97df70$@cox.net>
References: <014101d3002a$a9329fd0$fb97df70$@cox.net>
Message-ID: <ed124d71-fb38-da97-25b1-bc2b52ca4568@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On 7/18/2017 6:02 PM, Erik Basilier wrote:
> Need to replace my A/C, and worried about getting an RFI generator.
>
> A few years ago I saw some advice about taming a new unit, and maybe even
> getting instructions from the manufacturer.

Dave Cole has given you excellent advice, and you should follow it 
carefully. I'll add this additional caution. The "upgrade" in HVAC 
systems (heating, ventilating, air conditioning) is a variable speed 
motor. The controllers for these motors are notorious for bad RFI, so by 
all means, do NOT buy that option.

73, Jim K9YC


From dave at nk7z.net  Wed Jul 19 02:08:34 2017
From: dave at nk7z.net (Dave Cole)
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2017 23:08:34 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] OT A/C RFI
In-Reply-To: <ed124d71-fb38-da97-25b1-bc2b52ca4568@audiosystemsgroup.com>
References: <014101d3002a$a9329fd0$fb97df70$@cox.net>
	<ed124d71-fb38-da97-25b1-bc2b52ca4568@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Message-ID: <12d96d56-14a5-e255-770f-06dbf5a50c6a@nk7z.net>

Thanks Jim!

I passed on the variable speed fan option as a result of the vendor 
telling me I should skip it to avoid possible RFI.

He also said it made little difference in performance...  BTW I have no 
detectable RFI from my system.

73s and thanks,
Dave
NK7Z
http://www.nk7z.net

On 07/18/2017 08:40 PM, Jim Brown wrote:
> On 7/18/2017 6:02 PM, Erik Basilier wrote:
>> Need to replace my A/C, and worried about getting an RFI generator.
>>
>> A few years ago I saw some advice about taming a new unit, and maybe even
>> getting instructions from the manufacturer.
>
> Dave Cole has given you excellent advice, and you should follow it
> carefully. I'll add this additional caution. The "upgrade" in HVAC
> systems (heating, ventilating, air conditioning) is a variable speed
> motor. The controllers for these motors are notorious for bad RFI, so by
> all means, do NOT buy that option.
>
> 73, Jim K9YC
>
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From KY5G at montac.com  Wed Jul 19 10:49:16 2017
From: KY5G at montac.com (Clay Autery)
Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2017 09:49:16 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] OT A/C RFI
In-Reply-To: <5e311838-b58b-5aa8-567f-b5d282de11cb@nk7z.net>
References: <014101d3002a$a9329fd0$fb97df70$@cox.net>
	<CAFA9ujs0tBHBTxUwBRpeoWPG6HVw6mspX+5cEZ7EBLXWdrVD1g@mail.gmail.com>
	<5e311838-b58b-5aa8-567f-b5d282de11cb@nk7z.net>
Message-ID: <a63debf8-cad5-08d5-e904-018f8e380a93@montac.com>

Please include me in a list of folks who wants to follow/contribute to
this topic if/when it goes off-list.

I am shopping for HVAC right now...

______________________
Clay Autery, KY5G
MONTAC Enterprises
(318) 518-1389

On 7/18/2017 9:00 PM, Dave Cole wrote:
> When this goes off list please add me as well...  Don't tell them what
> to do, tell them you want no RFI.  If you tell them what to do, and it
> does not work, it is your issue...  Make it their issue.  See my
> previous post.
>
> 73s and thanks,
> Dave
> NK7Z
> http://www.nk7z.net

From KY5G at montac.com  Wed Jul 19 10:52:43 2017
From: KY5G at montac.com (Clay Autery)
Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2017 09:52:43 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] OT A/C RFI
In-Reply-To: <ed124d71-fb38-da97-25b1-bc2b52ca4568@audiosystemsgroup.com>
References: <014101d3002a$a9329fd0$fb97df70$@cox.net>
	<ed124d71-fb38-da97-25b1-bc2b52ca4568@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Message-ID: <f52aa9f4-ac71-b270-a826-af83f6b0ece2@montac.com>

Hmmmm....  Jim...  I have a variable speed down-hole pump on my water
well...  reckon that could cause RFI via the AC wiring?
The down-hole pump is 220VDC on dedicated circuit, and shack is on a
separate dedicated circuit from same service with separate sub-panel.

______________________
Clay Autery, KY5G
MONTAC Enterprises
(318) 518-1389

On 7/18/2017 10:40 PM, Jim Brown wrote:
> On 7/18/2017 6:02 PM, Erik Basilier wrote:
>> Need to replace my A/C, and worried about getting an RFI generator.
>>
>> A few years ago I saw some advice about taming a new unit, and maybe
>> even
>> getting instructions from the manufacturer.
>
> Dave Cole has given you excellent advice, and you should follow it
> carefully. I'll add this additional caution. The "upgrade" in HVAC
> systems (heating, ventilating, air conditioning) is a variable speed
> motor. The controllers for these motors are notorious for bad RFI, so
> by all means, do NOT buy that option.
>
> 73, Jim K9YC


From dave at nk7z.net  Wed Jul 19 10:55:03 2017
From: dave at nk7z.net (Dave Cole)
Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2017 07:55:03 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] OT A/C RFI
In-Reply-To: <f52aa9f4-ac71-b270-a826-af83f6b0ece2@montac.com>
References: <014101d3002a$a9329fd0$fb97df70$@cox.net>
	<ed124d71-fb38-da97-25b1-bc2b52ca4568@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<f52aa9f4-ac71-b270-a826-af83f6b0ece2@montac.com>
Message-ID: <b97bb346-2e48-e1e1-2ea7-a1cb443e03c1@nk7z.net>

Clay,
Given that the pump is far, far underground, as is most of the wiring, I 
would expect it to be a trivial matter to filter the AC line, which 
should be the only thing radiating...  Was that the case for you?

73s and thanks,
Dave
NK7Z
http://www.nk7z.net

On 07/19/2017 07:52 AM, Clay Autery wrote:
> Hmmmm....  Jim...  I have a variable speed down-hole pump on my water
> well...  reckon that could cause RFI via the AC wiring?
> The down-hole pump is 220VDC on dedicated circuit, and shack is on a
> separate dedicated circuit from same service with separate sub-panel.
>
> ______________________
> Clay Autery, KY5G
> MONTAC Enterprises
> (318) 518-1389
>
> On 7/18/2017 10:40 PM, Jim Brown wrote:
>> On 7/18/2017 6:02 PM, Erik Basilier wrote:
>>> Need to replace my A/C, and worried about getting an RFI generator.
>>>
>>> A few years ago I saw some advice about taming a new unit, and maybe
>>> even
>>> getting instructions from the manufacturer.
>>
>> Dave Cole has given you excellent advice, and you should follow it
>> carefully. I'll add this additional caution. The "upgrade" in HVAC
>> systems (heating, ventilating, air conditioning) is a variable speed
>> motor. The controllers for these motors are notorious for bad RFI, so
>> by all means, do NOT buy that option.
>>
>> 73, Jim K9YC
>
> ______________________________________________________________
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From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Wed Jul 19 11:17:31 2017
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2017 10:17:31 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] OT A/C RFI
In-Reply-To: <f52aa9f4-ac71-b270-a826-af83f6b0ece2@montac.com>
References: <014101d3002a$a9329fd0$fb97df70$@cox.net>
	<ed124d71-fb38-da97-25b1-bc2b52ca4568@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<f52aa9f4-ac71-b270-a826-af83f6b0ece2@montac.com>
Message-ID: <8f97cc6e-3431-f0ff-fcb1-b682e9039e15@blomand.net>

There's basically two types of RFI.

Conducted --- Being noise/RFI traveling through the wiring thus via 
direct connection.  Conducted RFI can be attenuated to satisfactory 
levels by including a power line filter in the system {preferably at the 
source}. The filter suppresses conducted noise leaving the unit, 
reducing RFI to acceptable levels.  It also helps to lower the 
susceptibility of the equipment to incoming power line noise that can 
affect its performance

Radiated --- Being noise/RFI  via the wiring into the air, i.e. 
transmitted.   Separation of power and antenna physically is often an 
improvement.  Radiated RFI is usually controlled by providing proper 
shielding in the enclosure of the equipment.

Regarding separate circuits, in most all cases each circuit terminates 
into the service panel to which all are then common. The advantage I've 
seen with separate circuits is in the distribution of neutral current.   
A large unbalance in load between L1 and L2 results in a differential  
neutral current.  In this case, the IR value will cause the neutral to 
be above earth/ground.

Often, figuring out which type and source is the challenge.

73
Bob, K4TAX

On 7/19/2017 9:52 AM, Clay Autery wrote:
> Hmmmm....  Jim...  I have a variable speed down-hole pump on my water
> well...  reckon that could cause RFI via the AC wiring?
> The down-hole pump is 220VDC on dedicated circuit, and shack is on a
> separate dedicated circuit from same service with separate sub-panel.
>
> ______________________
> Clay Autery, KY5G
> MONTAC Enterprises
> (318) 518-1389
>
>



From hotrodz42 at suddenlink.net  Wed Jul 19 11:23:53 2017
From: hotrodz42 at suddenlink.net (Rod Hotz)
Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2017 10:23:53 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] AF1 For Sale
Message-ID: <004801d300a3$07ef0310$17cd0930$@net>

Mint condition Elecraft AF1 active audio filter in a W8FGU enclosure.
Original Elecraft assembly and operating manual included. $65 shipped via
priority shipping. Continental US only and USPS money order only. E-mail
hotrodz42 at suddenlink.net with any questions.

 

 

73,

 

Rod

K5BGB


From ae4cw at att.net  Wed Jul 19 12:01:02 2017
From: ae4cw at att.net (Chuck, AE4CW)
Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2017 12:01:02 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] OT A/C RFI
In-Reply-To: <f52aa9f4-ac71-b270-a826-af83f6b0ece2@montac.com>
References: <014101d3002a$a9329fd0$fb97df70$@cox.net>	<ed124d71-fb38-da97-25b1-bc2b52ca4568@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<f52aa9f4-ac71-b270-a826-af83f6b0ece2@montac.com>
Message-ID: <00db01d300a8$3945d560$abd18020$@att.net>

Variable speed drives on HVAC units are indeed prone to RFI generation.  Five years ago I ordered a second TRANE HVAC for my home...identical model to the first EXCEPT the VDS was 3/4HP on the first and 1HP on the second.  The first TRANE unit was and is dead quiet...no VSD interference visible on a very sensitive panadapter from 500KHz to 54MHz.  The second unit turned out to be a prodigious RFI producer.  As the installer and TRANE were of no help whatsoever, I contacted the company and engineer who designed the motors (who also happened to be a ham), and here is what I learned:
1) the 3/4HP motor is known to be quiet.
2) the 1HP motor is problematic and RFI is difficult to control.
3) after installing some manufacturer provided filters and personally supplied chokes and capacitors on the 1HP motor, the INSIDE HVAC unit is now quiet. NOTE: Every wire that leaves the enclosure must be filtered.
4) HOWEVER, there was ANOTHER RFI generator in the system.  It turned out to be the cooling fan motor on the OUTSIDE compressor/condenser unit.  This motor was wired to run at a fixed speed and was chosen by TRANE as it is slightly more efficient than the tradition induction motor.

So, yes, choose VSD's for your HVAC system with great caution.  I personally like the variable air flow and increased efficiency, but they can come at a substantial cost in RFI.  While turning the beam around the neighborhood I can easily see multiple VSD dive noise signatures which are usually a burst of very closely spaced carriers (a few hertz apart) spaced about 18KHz apart.
---
Chuck, AE4CW

-----Original Message-----
From: Clay Autery [mailto:KY5G at montac.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2017 10:53:AM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT A/C RFI

Hmmmm....  Jim...  I have a variable speed down-hole pump on my water well...  reckon that could cause RFI via the AC wiring?
The down-hole pump is 220VDC on dedicated circuit, and shack is on a separate dedicated circuit from same service with separate sub-panel.

______________________
Clay Autery, KY5G
MONTAC Enterprises
(318) 518-1389

On 7/18/2017 10:40 PM, Jim Brown wrote:
> On 7/18/2017 6:02 PM, Erik Basilier wrote:
>> Need to replace my A/C, and worried about getting an RFI generator.
>>
>> A few years ago I saw some advice about taming a new unit, and maybe 
>> even getting instructions from the manufacturer.
>
> Dave Cole has given you excellent advice, and you should follow it 
> carefully. I'll add this additional caution. The "upgrade" in HVAC 
> systems (heating, ventilating, air conditioning) is a variable speed 
> motor. The controllers for these motors are notorious for bad RFI, so 
> by all means, do NOT buy that option.
>
> 73, Jim K9YC




From KY5G at montac.com  Wed Jul 19 12:02:28 2017
From: KY5G at montac.com (Clay Autery)
Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2017 11:02:28 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] OT A/C RFI
In-Reply-To: <b97bb346-2e48-e1e1-2ea7-a1cb443e03c1@nk7z.net>
References: <014101d3002a$a9329fd0$fb97df70$@cox.net>
	<ed124d71-fb38-da97-25b1-bc2b52ca4568@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<f52aa9f4-ac71-b270-a826-af83f6b0ece2@montac.com>
	<b97bb346-2e48-e1e1-2ea7-a1cb443e03c1@nk7z.net>
Message-ID: <c2513b51-b266-5e6a-bc19-29f03abe9615@montac.com>

Frankly, I've never checked to see if the down-hole pump is an RFI
source...  Only use the well when I am outside for the most part... 
That's why I solicited Jim's opinion of the case.

I'll have to run a purposely test.

I would think I could filter at/near where the AC lines go in/out of the
hole (outside, and put in a metal enclosure?)  And when I finally finish
the pump control/distribution manifold in the back yard, the AC lines
will be over-sized, twisted pair, and in grounded conduit.
Will do whatever is required to keep things quiet.  My quiet zone is
slowly growing.  :)

73,

______________________
Clay Autery, KY5G
MONTAC Enterprises
(318) 518-1389

On 7/19/2017 9:55 AM, Dave Cole wrote:
> Clay,
> Given that the pump is far, far underground, as is most of the wiring,
> I would expect it to be a trivial matter to filter the AC line, which
> should be the only thing radiating...  Was that the case for you?
>
> 73s and thanks,
> Dave
> NK7Z
> http://www.nk7z.net
>
> On 07/19/2017 07:52 AM, Clay Autery wrote:
>> Hmmmm....  Jim...  I have a variable speed down-hole pump on my water
>> well...  reckon that could cause RFI via the AC wiring?
>> The down-hole pump is 220VDC on dedicated circuit, and shack is on a
>> separate dedicated circuit from same service with separate sub-panel.
>>
>> ______________________
>> Clay Autery, KY5G
>> MONTAC Enterprises
>> (318) 518-1389
>>
>> On 7/18/2017 10:40 PM, Jim Brown wrote:
>>> On 7/18/2017 6:02 PM, Erik Basilier wrote:
>>>> Need to replace my A/C, and worried about getting an RFI generator.
>>>>
>>>> A few years ago I saw some advice about taming a new unit, and maybe
>>>> even
>>>> getting instructions from the manufacturer.
>>>
>>> Dave Cole has given you excellent advice, and you should follow it
>>> carefully. I'll add this additional caution. The "upgrade" in HVAC
>>> systems (heating, ventilating, air conditioning) is a variable speed
>>> motor. The controllers for these motors are notorious for bad RFI, so
>>> by all means, do NOT buy that option.
>>>
>>> 73, Jim K9YC
>>
>> ______________________________________________________________
>> Elecraft mailing list
>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
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From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Wed Jul 19 12:38:28 2017
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2017 09:38:28 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] OT A/C RFI
In-Reply-To: <8f97cc6e-3431-f0ff-fcb1-b682e9039e15@blomand.net>
References: <014101d3002a$a9329fd0$fb97df70$@cox.net>
	<ed124d71-fb38-da97-25b1-bc2b52ca4568@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<f52aa9f4-ac71-b270-a826-af83f6b0ece2@montac.com>
	<8f97cc6e-3431-f0ff-fcb1-b682e9039e15@blomand.net>
Message-ID: <b69bdb27-7078-00d9-29a5-c2d963d36560@audiosystemsgroup.com>

This is gross over-simplification, but it is, sadly, the thinking of the 
EMC community and the regulations on EMC.

I've written extensively on this, so won't repeat it here. Here's the 
most recent.

http://k9yc.com/KillingReceiveNoise.pdf

And, of course, k9yc.com/RFI-Ham.pdf

VERY little RFI is conducted INTO equipment via the power line. Most RF 
trash is conducted out of equipment by "the Pin One Problem" as a common 
mode current on cable shields and the power system "green wire." it is 
then radiated by that wiring, and ends up on our antennas like any other 
radiated signal.  This is the mechanism for radiation from CATV systems, 
power systems, and nearly all electronics.

RF trash is also radiated by wiring internal to equipment as a result of 
poor circuit layout and poor shielding. Both conditions must be present 
-- it's entirely practical to build unshielded equipment with no 
radiated trash using good circuit layout and construction. This 
mechanism is often important with "big" equipment like HVAC systems and 
solar systems.

73, Jim K9YC

On 7/19/2017 8:17 AM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote:
> There's basically two types of RFI.
>
> Conducted --- Being noise/RFI traveling through the wiring thus via 
> direct connection.  Conducted RFI can be attenuated to satisfactory 
> levels by including a power line filter in the system {preferably at 
> the source}. The filter suppresses conducted noise leaving the unit, 
> reducing RFI to acceptable levels.  It also helps to lower the 
> susceptibility of the equipment to incoming power line noise that can 
> affect its performance
>
> Radiated --- Being noise/RFI  via the wiring into the air, i.e. 
> transmitted.   Separation of power and antenna physically is often an 
> improvement.  Radiated RFI is usually controlled by providing proper 
> shielding in the enclosure of the equipment.
>
> Regarding separate circuits, in most all cases each circuit terminates 
> into the service panel to which all are then common. The advantage 
> I've seen with separate circuits is in the distribution of neutral 
> current.   A large unbalance in load between L1 and L2 results in a 
> differential  neutral current.  In this case, the IR value will cause 
> the neutral to be above earth/ground.
>
> Often, figuring out which type and source is the challenge.
>
> 73
> Bob, K4TAX
>
> On 7/19/2017 9:52 AM, Clay Autery wrote:
>> Hmmmm....  Jim...  I have a variable speed down-hole pump on my water
>> well...  reckon that could cause RFI via the AC wiring?
>> The down-hole pump is 220VDC on dedicated circuit, and shack is on a
>> separate dedicated circuit from same service with separate sub-panel.
>>
>> ______________________
>> Clay Autery, KY5G
>> MONTAC Enterprises
>> (318) 518-1389
>>
>>
>
>
> ______________________________________________________________
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From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Wed Jul 19 12:47:42 2017
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2017 09:47:42 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] OT A/C RFI
In-Reply-To: <f52aa9f4-ac71-b270-a826-af83f6b0ece2@montac.com>
References: <014101d3002a$a9329fd0$fb97df70$@cox.net>
	<ed124d71-fb38-da97-25b1-bc2b52ca4568@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<f52aa9f4-ac71-b270-a826-af83f6b0ece2@montac.com>
Message-ID: <896d942c-3f6a-c4b6-9b2a-d0893ca5a280@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On 7/19/2017 7:52 AM, Clay Autery wrote:
> Hmmmm....  Jim...  I have a variable speed down-hole pump on my water
> well...  reckon that could cause RFI via the AC wiring?
> The down-hole pump is 220VDC on dedicated circuit, and shack is on a
> separate dedicated circuit from same service with separate sub-panel.

This is a complex question with no simple answer. Current flows in 
loops, the loops produce magnetic fields which couple into other loops, 
and the current also produces radiation. Radiation from the parts of the 
loop that are under ground are certainly less than if they were above 
ground. Those currents also produce IR drops.

Another mechanism that is often overlooked is leakage current on the 
"green wire" as a result of capacitive coupling from the phase (hot) 
conductor(s). This creates potential differences for that trash between 
one equipment chassis and another. This is most often an issue at 
baseband (harmonics of 50/60 Hz) but could also be a factor at RF.

73, Jim K9YC


From k6dgw at foothill.net  Wed Jul 19 13:08:37 2017
From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen)
Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2017 10:08:37 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] OT A/C RFI
In-Reply-To: <c2513b51-b266-5e6a-bc19-29f03abe9615@montac.com>
References: <014101d3002a$a9329fd0$fb97df70$@cox.net>
	<ed124d71-fb38-da97-25b1-bc2b52ca4568@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<f52aa9f4-ac71-b270-a826-af83f6b0ece2@montac.com>
	<b97bb346-2e48-e1e1-2ea7-a1cb443e03c1@nk7z.net>
	<c2513b51-b266-5e6a-bc19-29f03abe9615@montac.com>
Message-ID: <72442167-f5a9-d6c0-ddab-b0ffe4264654@foothill.net>

We had a well for 38 years, went through three 4 HP down-hole pumps, and 
I never observed any RFI from it or the control/capacitor box at the 
well head.  The 240 V service to the entrance was buried.  The pump ran 
a lot when the irrigation system was on [making Pacific Gas & Electric 
very happy [:-( ].  Our neighbor's A/C, about 200 ft from my tower was 
something else again.

73,

Fred ("Skip") K6DGW
Sparks NV USA
Washoe County DM09dn

On 7/19/2017 9:02 AM, Clay Autery wrote:
> Frankly, I've never checked to see if the down-hole pump is an RFI
> source...  Only use the well when I am outside for the most part...
> That's why I solicited Jim's opinion of the case.
>
> I'll have to run a purposely test.
>
> I would think I could filter at/near where the AC lines go in/out of the
> hole (outside, and put in a metal enclosure?)  And when I finally finish
> the pump control/distribution manifold in the back yard, the AC lines
> will be over-sized, twisted pair, and in grounded conduit.
> Will do whatever is required to keep things quiet.  My quiet zone is
> slowly growing.  :)
>
> 73,
>
> ______________________
> Clay Autery, KY5G
> MONTAC Enterprises
> (318) 518-1389
>


From phystad at mac.com  Wed Jul 19 13:33:36 2017
From: phystad at mac.com (Phil Hystad)
Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2017 10:33:36 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KX2AT2 vs T1 Tuner?
In-Reply-To: <CAF==Uf07nhn=KTFrMxOKvoBhSR35zM1aL=-F3+XO4kaC5ZDy1g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <49351901-0D9F-4B1C-812C-52A07B21E7BB@me.com>
	<CAF==Uf07nhn=KTFrMxOKvoBhSR35zM1aL=-F3+XO4kaC5ZDy1g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <528FBB78-1604-4808-AE77-7C4254AFF92E@mac.com>

I went thru the same thinking when I bought my KX2 ? internal tuner versus external T1 tuner.

The added and simplified convenience of the internal KX2 tuner won out over the price of the tuner.  However, my T1 is still important ? using it with my KX1 and Norcal 40A.  But, I admit that they are hard to pick up and use for portable QRP ops anymore preferring the KX2 instead ? I may never use them again unless I force myself to go backwards in time (aka nostalgia) and use a simpler KX1/Norcal 40A.

73, phil, K7PEH


> On Jul 18, 2017, at 8:34 PM, Dave Fugleberg <dave.w0zf at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I asked this exact question on this reflector in March, and got some good
> and useful replies. You can Google for that discussion on Nabble to see
> those technical answers.
> Bottom line is that both are fine tuners. I know I could have saved some
> money by using the T1 I already own, but in the end I opted to order my KX2
> with the KXAT2, and I'm glad I did. It works great, and it's more
> convenient than messing with an extra box and coax jumper.
> I think the choice comes down to how you want to spend your money, more
> than the merits of one tuner over the other, because either one will do the
> job very well. I will say that having the internal tuner and an internal
> battery makes the KX2 a real grab and go radio!
> I'm still using paddles that I already had, but I think the KXPD2 may be in
> my future...
> 73 de W0ZF
> On Tue, Jul 18, 2017 at 9:53 PM James Bennett <w6jhb at me.com> wrote:
> 
>> Thinking very seriously about purchasing a KX2. I have a T1 that I had
>> used a few years ago with another QRP rig. Obviously it will work with the
>> KX2, but I'm wondering how it compares in performance with the internal KX2
>> unit. Is the T1 as quick to find a match? Is it as quick to pull in a
>> memorized L/C combo when a band change happens? If there is a general
>> consensus that the T1 is on an equal level with the KXAT2, I can save my
>> $179 and use it for the KXPD2 paddle.
>> 
>> Comments?
>> 
>> Jim Bennett / W6JHB
>> Folsom, CA
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From john at johnjeanantiqueradio.com  Wed Jul 19 13:36:47 2017
From: john at johnjeanantiqueradio.com (John K9UWA)
Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2017 13:36:47 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] OT A/C RFI
In-Reply-To: <b97bb346-2e48-e1e1-2ea7-a1cb443e03c1@nk7z.net>
References: <014101d3002a$a9329fd0$fb97df70$@cox.net>,
	<f52aa9f4-ac71-b270-a826-af83f6b0ece2@montac.com>,
	<b97bb346-2e48-e1e1-2ea7-a1cb443e03c1@nk7z.net>
Message-ID: <596F98AF.25743.5A014B5@john.johnjeanantiqueradio.com>


From w0fm at swbell.net  Wed Jul 19 14:02:04 2017
From: w0fm at swbell.net (Terry Schieler)
Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2017 13:02:04 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] FW:  OT A/C RFI
References: <014101d3002a$a9329fd0$fb97df70$@cox.net> 
Message-ID: <004001d300b9$21656800$64303800$@swbell.net>

More interest here than I expected on this, so I've decided to post my
direct response to Erik here as well.

Terry, W?FM



Hi Erik,

I just replaced my two 20 year old Lennox units with 4.0 Ton and 3.5 Ton
Trane units.  Before the installers left I asked for a chance to check the
radios in the shack for RFI.  The AC compressors are outside the basement
shack wall and the coils are inside about ten feet from the radios and feed
lines.  Attic antennas all around for the moment.  No detectable noise on
the new Trane units.  And for what it's worth, the Lennox units (same size)
were also RFI free for 20 years.  Good luck with your project and stay cool!

73,

Terry, W?FM



From no9e at arrl.net  Wed Jul 19 16:13:09 2017
From: no9e at arrl.net (Ignacy)
Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2017 13:13:09 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] KX2AT2 vs T1 Tuner?
In-Reply-To: <528FBB78-1604-4808-AE77-7C4254AFF92E@mac.com>
References: <49351901-0D9F-4B1C-812C-52A07B21E7BB@me.com>
	<CAF==Uf07nhn=KTFrMxOKvoBhSR35zM1aL=-F3+XO4kaC5ZDy1g@mail.gmail.com>
	<528FBB78-1604-4808-AE77-7C4254AFF92E@mac.com>
Message-ID: <1500495189481-7632574.post@n2.nabble.com>

Internal tuner is very convenient with extra pluses of remembering setting
and not requiring an extra battery. But with some antenna x freq
combinations,  SWR is sensitive to touch and a balun is needed - an extra
weight. With T1, that balun could be a few turns of jumper made of RG-174
around a toroid. 
Ignacy, NO9E 



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From rwhitetexas at verizon.net  Wed Jul 19 17:06:35 2017
From: rwhitetexas at verizon.net (W5RDW)
Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2017 14:06:35 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] OT A/C RFI
In-Reply-To: <014101d3002a$a9329fd0$fb97df70$@cox.net>
References: <014101d3002a$a9329fd0$fb97df70$@cox.net>
Message-ID: <1500498395010-7632575.post@n2.nabble.com>

I had this stored on my computer. Good reading on this subject.

http://www.arrl.org/forum/topics/view/46





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From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Wed Jul 19 17:56:44 2017
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2017 17:56:44 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KX2AT2 vs T1 Tuner?
In-Reply-To: <1500495189481-7632574.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <49351901-0D9F-4B1C-812C-52A07B21E7BB@me.com>
	<CAF==Uf07nhn=KTFrMxOKvoBhSR35zM1aL=-F3+XO4kaC5ZDy1g@mail.gmail.com>
	<528FBB78-1604-4808-AE77-7C4254AFF92E@mac.com>
	<1500495189481-7632574.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <d684135d-48d5-e469-3cef-2aa6f6232aa8@embarqmail.com>

That same "balun" (actually a common mode choke) will work the same with 
the internal tuner.  In other words, if it is "good for the T1", it will 
also be "good for the internal tuner".

A common mode choke at the antenna feedpoint will solve many problems. 
If the feedline does not run perpendicular to the center of the antenna, 
the feedline may pick up radiation from the radiator and an additional 
common mode choke at the KX2 end can be helpful.

73,
Don w3FPR

On 7/19/2017 4:13 PM, Ignacy wrote:
> Internal tuner is very convenient with extra pluses of remembering setting
> and not requiring an extra battery. But with some antenna x freq
> combinations,  SWR is sensitive to touch and a balun is needed - an extra
> weight. With T1, that balun could be a few turns of jumper made of RG-174
> around a toroid.

From eric at elecraft.com  Wed Jul 19 18:39:03 2017
From: eric at elecraft.com (Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft)
Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2017 15:39:03 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] OT A/C RFI
In-Reply-To: <1500498395010-7632575.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <014101d3002a$a9329fd0$fb97df70$@cox.net>
	<1500498395010-7632575.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <8d9c77e8-77ca-4b13-22b7-983ed604d038@elecraft.com>

Hi Everyone,

In the interest of reducing email overload for our readers, it is time to close 
this thread as we are over the OT posting limit of 5 to10 at most.

Plesse self moderate in the future.

73,
Eric
Mooderator etc.
/elecraft.com/



From rboutell at hotmail.com  Wed Jul 19 19:44:48 2017
From: rboutell at hotmail.com (rboutell)
Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2017 16:44:48 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] Really OT: Inside-the-vehicle HF antennas (possible
 bonus points)
In-Reply-To: <57162321-F76E-4E08-AC32-106D45A5F70A@elecraft.com>
References: <57162321-F76E-4E08-AC32-106D45A5F70A@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <1500507888434-7632578.post@n2.nabble.com>

<http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/file/n7632578/image692.jpeg> 
So I guess this wouldn't qualify as stealthy :)



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From k6dgw at foothill.net  Wed Jul 19 19:58:52 2017
From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen)
Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2017 16:58:52 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Really OT: Inside-the-vehicle HF antennas (possible
 bonus points)
In-Reply-To: <1500507888434-7632578.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <57162321-F76E-4E08-AC32-106D45A5F70A@elecraft.com>
	<1500507888434-7632578.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <1e2a336d-2dc9-3fd8-2666-be6c50f51514@foothill.net>

Ummm ... no.  Nor is the wife going to buy it on a family car.  
Operating with my K2+Alexloop on a small hill in a local park once, I 
was approached by two Sheriff's Officers, one had his gun[or Taser] out. 
Someone had reported a spy, or CIA agent, onthe hill and they wanted to 
to see my ID.  Strange how a small radio, a mag loop antenna, and an old 
guy who is obviously way past his spy-hood years can conjure up so much 
suspicion in the ordinary folk.

73,

Fred ("Skip") K6DGW
Sparks NV USA
Washoe County DM09dn

On 7/19/2017 4:44 PM, rboutell wrote:
> <http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/file/n7632578/image692.jpeg>
> So I guess this wouldn't qualify as stealthy :)
>
> -----
> 73, Russ - W9RB
>


From k9fd at flex.com  Wed Jul 19 20:39:07 2017
From: k9fd at flex.com (Merv Schweigert)
Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2017 14:39:07 -1000
Subject: [Elecraft] Really OT: Inside-the-vehicle HF antennas (possible
 bonus points)
In-Reply-To: <1e2a336d-2dc9-3fd8-2666-be6c50f51514@foothill.net>
References: <57162321-F76E-4E08-AC32-106D45A5F70A@elecraft.com>
	<1500507888434-7632578.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<1e2a336d-2dc9-3fd8-2666-be6c50f51514@foothill.net>
Message-ID: <863d8c81-d380-c950-2461-68ed3c1e1d49@flex.com>

Fred your close to CA and also perhaps you were mistaken for a Russian.
You know how it is these days.

Would tell a story but its too long and OT how I was mistaken for 
Russian spy in
Shanghai in 1990,  taxi driver got the idea and ratted me out. Carrying a
telegraph key and papers to operate at BY4AA.

73 Merv K9FD/KH6

> Ummm ... no.  Nor is the wife going to buy it on a family car. 
> Operating with my K2+Alexloop on a small hill in a local park once, I 
> was approached by two Sheriff's Officers, one had his gun[or Taser] 
> out. Someone had reported a spy, or CIA agent, onthe hill and they 
> wanted to to see my ID.  Strange how a small radio, a mag loop 
> antenna, and an old guy who is obviously way past his spy-hood years 
> can conjure up so much suspicion in the ordinary folk.
>
> 73,
>
> Fred ("Skip") K6DGW
> Sparks NV USA
> Washoe County DM09dn
>
> On 7/19/2017 4:44 PM, rboutell wrote:
>> <http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/file/n7632578/image692.jpeg>
>> So I guess this wouldn't qualify as stealthy :)
>>
>> -----
>> 73, Russ - W9RB
>>
>
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From N9KY at arrl.net  Wed Jul 19 21:19:39 2017
From: N9KY at arrl.net (Chuck Milam, N9KY)
Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2017 20:19:39 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] FS: KXFL3 Internal Dual-Passband Roofing Filter
Message-ID: <CAMsj5KhtiDZcVsp0AD6FCnmEzeNi3JSUoPxRXON7Q4pu-aBC8A@mail.gmail.com>

I have a KXFL3 Internal Dual-Passband Roofing Filter that is excess to my
needs.

I ordered the KXFL3 without realizing my recently-acquired KX3 already had
the filter installed.  I only opened KXFL3  package to view the
instructions, and then follow them just long enough to realize I already
had the KXFL3 filter.  The KXFL3 antistatic bag remains sealed as shipped
from Elecraft.

My mistake is your gain.  I'm asking $125 (new price is $149.95), shipping
via USPS flat rate box is on me, PayPal preferred.  Contact me at the email
below.

73,

Chuck Milam, N9KY
N9KY at arrl.net

From jimk0xu at gmail.com  Thu Jul 20 10:01:45 2017
From: jimk0xu at gmail.com (Jim Rhodes)
Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2017 09:01:45 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Really OT: Inside-the-vehicle HF antennas (possible
 bonus points)
In-Reply-To: <CAE+2d_0Ph1UdYxrYXso23hRvOcs0iCaKn7Bf9yQAD1p_DJxkTA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <57162321-F76E-4E08-AC32-106D45A5F70A@elecraft.com>
	<CAE+2d_0Ph1UdYxrYXso23hRvOcs0iCaKn7Bf9yQAD1p_DJxkTA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CALhxr4agA9b7tkC6RdnbBqb6fRtvLGnvoeJciPq0qe373AzWVg@mail.gmail.com>

OK, get a big fiberglass spoiler on the back and cram as much wire as you
can in it. The feed it against the body via An autotuner on the inside of
the trunk lid. After showing her the drawing of that you shouldn't have too
much trouble talking her into a screwdriver antenna.

Jim Rhodes

On Jul 16, 2017 9:16 PM, "Matthew Cook" <vk5zm at bistre.net> wrote:

> Mount your iPad/Tablet to the dash, install 3G/4G internet capable router
> (internal antennas) into the car, Heil Headset & RR1274 then remote into
> your K3/KPA500/KAT500 remote station at home.   Works rather nicely.
>
> Otherwise ruggedised whip tuner under the bonnet (err hood) with a thin
> discrete stainless steel whip mounted on the front of the car there
> somewhere.
>
> 73
>
> Matthew
> VK5ZM
>
> On 16 July 2017 at 10:23, Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com> wrote:
>
> > I?m dealing with one of the last unsolved problems in amateur radio: how
> > to operate HF mobile without an antenna. At least not one that, according
> > to some vehicle co-owners/spouses, would defile your new sedan.
> >
> > For 10 bonus points that have only philosophical value, your challenge is
> > to create an invisible mobile antenna and actually make a QSO on it. For
> > practical purposes (i.e., not frying the car or passengers) let?s say the
> > maximum power level is 10 watts. The bands of interest are 40-10 meters.
> >
> > Here are some ideas I?m considering:
> >
> > - mag loop in the rear window
> > - thin wire loop on a roof rack
> > - gamma match to the entire roof
> > - surface acoustic waves
> > - prayer
> >
> > Other ideas?
> >
> > Yes, I know this violates the laws of physics and bioethics. And I fully
> > expect the car to generate debilitating levels of RFI. But isn?t this the
> > least you?d expect from an unsolved problem?
> >
> > Thanks in advance,
> >
> > Wayne
> > N6KR
> >
> >
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From w5sum at comcast.net  Thu Jul 20 13:04:03 2017
From: w5sum at comcast.net (w5sum at comcast.net)
Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2017 12:04:03 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 and N1MM
Message-ID: <3D7FA86F5A3447E79579AC94A39F9E6D@MININTMC1HLDC>

I decided to purchase a small laptop to use on vacation with my KX2 for both logging and rig control. I like N1MM and discovered this morning that the KX-2 is not in the selections of Elecraft products within n1mm

why is this? I can use just about any program for logging, but what program out there will actually run the KX-2?

hep me out here folks

Ronnie
W5SUM

From tomb18 at videotron.ca  Thu Jul 20 13:07:08 2017
From: tomb18 at videotron.ca (tomb18)
Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2017 13:07:08 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 and N1MM
Message-ID: <7d85fb06849d672c332917ff3f96b969@smtp.videotron.ca>

Hi you should be able to select kx3 and it will work.?73?


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-------- Original message --------From: w5sum at comcast.net Date: 2017-07-20  1:04 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 and N1MM 
I decided to purchase a small laptop to use on vacation with my KX2 for both logging and rig control. I like N1MM and discovered this morning that the KX-2 is not in the selections of Elecraft products within n1mm

why is this? I can use just about any program for logging, but what program out there will actually run the KX-2?

hep me out here folks

Ronnie
W5SUM
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From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Thu Jul 20 13:09:45 2017
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2017 13:09:45 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 and N1MM
In-Reply-To: <3D7FA86F5A3447E79579AC94A39F9E6D@MININTMC1HLDC>
References: <3D7FA86F5A3447E79579AC94A39F9E6D@MININTMC1HLDC>
Message-ID: <fe0ba7f4-da8a-831c-afb5-fc867205f2a2@embarqmail.com>

Ronnie,

Select the KX3 or if that is not present, select K3.
Note, no hyphens in Elecraft model numbers, it is "KX2" and not "KX-2".

Perhaps N1MM will offer a specific KX2 selection in the future.  That is 
not something that Elecraft can add.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 7/20/2017 1:04 PM, w5sum at comcast.net wrote:
> I decided to purchase a small laptop to use on vacation with my KX2 for both logging and rig control. I like N1MM and discovered this morning that the KX-2 is not in the selections of Elecraft products within n1mm
> 
> why is this? I can use just about any program for logging, but what program out there will actually run the KX-2?
> 
> hep me out here folks
> 
> Ronnie
> W5SUM
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From ctate at ewnetinc.com  Thu Jul 20 14:00:39 2017
From: ctate at ewnetinc.com (Chris Tate - N6WM)
Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2017 18:00:39 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 and N1MM
In-Reply-To: <3D7FA86F5A3447E79579AC94A39F9E6D@MININTMC1HLDC>
References: <3D7FA86F5A3447E79579AC94A39F9E6D@MININTMC1HLDC>
Message-ID: <236350B81BC09D42B8C3B41A97C654DD1E1ABA2F@AUSP01DAG0504.collaborationhost.net>

Ronnie,

As the gang has said you can use N1MM and select KX3 as the rig.

as a bonus, you may find these N1MM CW macros useful in your operation.  you can change the # (serial number) out with.. say Wherever you are, for instance 5nn on Oahu HI.. or on SOTA NAXXX... and they can be very useful.

gl

F1 Cq,{CATA1ASC KY cq dx * *;}
F2 Snt,{CATA1ASC KY 5nn # #;}
F3 Tu,{CATA1ASC KY tu;}
F4 {MYCALL},{CATA1ASC KY *;}
F5 His Call,{CATA1ASC KY {call} ;}
F6 Repeat, {CATA1ASC KY # #;}
F7 Exch, {CATA1ASC KY #;}
F8 Agn?,{CATA1ASC KY agn? ;}
F9 Nr?,{CATA1ASC KY nr? ;}
F10 Call?,{CATA1ASC KY cl? ;}
F11 Break,{CATA1ASC RX;}
F12 Wipe,{WIPE}

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To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 and N1MM

I decided to purchase a small laptop to use on vacation with my KX2 for both logging and rig control. I like N1MM and discovered this morning that the KX-2 is not in the selections of Elecraft products within n1mm

why is this? I can use just about any program for logging, but what program out there will actually run the KX-2?

hep me out here folks

Ronnie
W5SUM
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From dave.w8ov at gmail.com  Thu Jul 20 14:55:27 2017
From: dave.w8ov at gmail.com (David Koch)
Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2017 13:55:27 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Heil headset for sale
Message-ID: <7d5713fe-4e40-ae58-8d21-59a3a7429ec6@gmail.com>

Posting this for a friend.  Please use his contact info below.
--Dave W8OV

For Sale - HEIL Pro-Set K2 Headset with Mic

    For use with KX3, K2, and K3.  Purchased from Elecraft in March 
2014.  HEIL iC mic element.  Comes with 3.5mm stereo headphone and mono 
microphone connectors that plug directly into the KX3. (Also includes 
1/4" headphone and 8 pin adapters for the K2/K3). You can use the KX3 
XMIT button or VOX for TX PTT.

    Used very little. Current List Price $165.  Will sell and ship to 
CONUS address for $125 after receipt of US bank check.

    Contact Dick, K8BWE, at 727-264-6105 or dbmbtab at gmail.com

From no9e at arrl.net  Thu Jul 20 15:33:00 2017
From: no9e at arrl.net (Ignacy)
Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2017 12:33:00 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] KX2AT2 vs T1 Tuner?
In-Reply-To: <d684135d-48d5-e469-3cef-2aa6f6232aa8@embarqmail.com>
References: <49351901-0D9F-4B1C-812C-52A07B21E7BB@me.com>
	<CAF==Uf07nhn=KTFrMxOKvoBhSR35zM1aL=-F3+XO4kaC5ZDy1g@mail.gmail.com>
	<528FBB78-1604-4808-AE77-7C4254AFF92E@mac.com>
	<1500495189481-7632574.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<d684135d-48d5-e469-3cef-2aa6f6232aa8@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <1500579180582-7632588.post@n2.nabble.com>

The balun made of  a jumper between the radio and the tuner works at low SWR
so its losses are negligible. The same jumper on the outside will work at
possibly very high SWR and may have substantial losses.

Ignacy, NO9E



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From tommy58 at hvc.rr.com  Fri Jul 21 08:08:29 2017
From: tommy58 at hvc.rr.com (Tommy)
Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2017 08:08:29 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Trying to get on FT-8 with my KX2
Message-ID: <1d766a43-eb26-5c01-c444-a540a3b250f2@hvc.rr.com>

    Hi folks,

      Trying to get WSJT-X going with FT8 and my new KX2. I keep getting 
a "/Hamlib error/: IO /error/ while opening connection to rig" error. I 
have the right cables and jumper module in the signalink, Radio 
selection is KX3 (it's supposed to work), USB and VOX is selected and 
VOX is ON. 8 bits, one stop and handshake NONE. No matter what I do I 
still get the error.

Any ideas please? It's driving me nuts! This shouldn't be this 
difficult. Any help appreciated.

Tom - KB2SMS


From z_kevino at hotmail.com  Fri Jul 21 08:19:25 2017
From: z_kevino at hotmail.com (kevino z)
Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2017 12:19:25 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Trying to get on FT-8 with my KX2
In-Reply-To: <1d766a43-eb26-5c01-c444-a540a3b250f2@hvc.rr.com>
References: <1d766a43-eb26-5c01-c444-a540a3b250f2@hvc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <BN6PR15MB14254D5902F4A59C75B299FDFAA40@BN6PR15MB1425.namprd15.prod.outlook.com>

Have you tried using FLrig? I use FLrig with my KX2 and KX3, then FLdigi talks to FLrig.
Also, make sure your comm port is the right one. I assume you?re on windows, but you didn?t mention. So, which OS are you on?
-Kevin (KK4YEL)


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On Jul 21, 2017, at 08:10, Tommy <tommy58 at hvc.rr.com<mailto:tommy58 at hvc.rr.com>> wrote:

  Hi folks,

    Trying to get WSJT-X going with FT8 and my new KX2. I keep getting a "/Hamlib error/: IO /error/ while opening connection to rig" error. I have the right cables and jumper module in the signalink, Radio selection is KX3 (it's supposed to work), USB and VOX is selected and VOX is ON. 8 bits, one stop and handshake NONE. No matter what I do I still get the error.

Any ideas please? It's driving me nuts! This shouldn't be this difficult. Any help appreciated.

Tom - KB2SMS

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From tommy58 at hvc.rr.com  Fri Jul 21 08:41:42 2017
From: tommy58 at hvc.rr.com (Tommy)
Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2017 08:41:42 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Trying to get on FT-8 with my KX2
In-Reply-To: <BN6PR15MB14254D5902F4A59C75B299FDFAA40@BN6PR15MB1425.namprd15.prod.outlook.com>
References: <1d766a43-eb26-5c01-c444-a540a3b250f2@hvc.rr.com>
	<BN6PR15MB14254D5902F4A59C75B299FDFAA40@BN6PR15MB1425.namprd15.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <cf9435cb-daa4-7c20-cf5a-755a4a091dd8@hvc.rr.com>

Hi Kevin,

   Sorry about that, Windows 8.1. USB is selected for serial port.

Tom



On 07/21/2017 08:19 AM, kevino z wrote:
> Have you tried using FLrig? I use FLrig with my KX2 and KX3, then 
> FLdigi talks to FLrig.
> Also, make sure your comm port is the right one. I assume you?re on 
> windows, but you didn?t mention. So, which OS are you on?
> -Kevin (KK4YEL)
>
>
> No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However, a 
> large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced !
>
> On Jul 21, 2017, at 08:10, Tommy <tommy58 at hvc.rr.com 
> <mailto:tommy58 at hvc.rr.com>> wrote:
>
>>   Hi folks,
>>
>>     Trying to get WSJT-X going with FT8 and my new KX2. I keep 
>> getting a "/Hamlib error/: IO /error/ while opening connection to 
>> rig" error. I have the right cables and jumper module in the 
>> signalink, Radio selection is KX3 (it's supposed to work), USB and 
>> VOX is selected and VOX is ON. 8 bits, one stop and handshake NONE. 
>> No matter what I do I still get the error.
>>
>> Any ideas please? It's driving me nuts! This shouldn't be this 
>> difficult. Any help appreciated.
>>
>> Tom - KB2SMS
>>
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From ae5x at juno.com  Fri Jul 21 08:47:17 2017
From: ae5x at juno.com (John AE5X)
Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2017 12:47:17 GMT
Subject: [Elecraft]  Trying to get on FT-8 with my KX2
Message-ID: <20170721.074717.2667.0@webmail08.vgs.untd.com>

I hope the KX4 will be a digital-friendly KX2. Similar in size and form-factor as the KX2 but with digital in/outputs & CAT via RJ45 (similar to Flex 600-series' DAX) for those who choose to use it as such; same LCD display as the KX2. 

John AE5X
http://ae5x.blogspot.com/2017/07/the-ideal-portable-qrp-radio.html

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From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Fri Jul 21 08:55:18 2017
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2017 08:55:18 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Trying to get on FT-8 with my KX2
In-Reply-To: <cf9435cb-daa4-7c20-cf5a-755a4a091dd8@hvc.rr.com>
References: <1d766a43-eb26-5c01-c444-a540a3b250f2@hvc.rr.com>
	<BN6PR15MB14254D5902F4A59C75B299FDFAA40@BN6PR15MB1425.namprd15.prod.outlook.com>
	<cf9435cb-daa4-7c20-cf5a-755a4a091dd8@hvc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <503822e9-7450-1a0f-1e2a-85847e3f4bf8@embarqmail.com>

Tom,

You must define to Hamlib which COM port has been assigned to that USB 
to serial adapter.  Just saying USB is insufficient - Hamlib only knows 
COM Port numbers.

If you did not see which COM port was assigned by your computer when you 
plugged in the USB to serial adapter, open Device manager and expand the 
PORTS entry.  If the assigned COM port is not obvious, unplug it and see 
which COM port goes away.  Then plug it back in and see whhich COM port 
is added.
Put that COM port number into Hamlib.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 7/21/2017 8:41 AM, Tommy wrote:
> Hi Kevin,
> 
>    Sorry about that, Windows 8.1. USB is selected for serial port.
> 
> Tom
> 
> 
> 
> On 07/21/2017 08:19 AM, kevino z wrote:
>> Have you tried using FLrig? I use FLrig with my KX2 and KX3, then 
>> FLdigi talks to FLrig.
>> Also, make sure your comm port is the right one. I assume you?re on 
>> windows, but you didn?t mention. So, which OS are you on?
>> -Kevin (KK4YEL)
>>
>>
>> No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However, a large 
>> number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced !
>>
>> On Jul 21, 2017, at 08:10, Tommy <tommy58 at hvc.rr.com 
>> <mailto:tommy58 at hvc.rr.com>> wrote:
>>
>>>   Hi folks,
>>>
>>>     Trying to get WSJT-X going with FT8 and my new KX2. I keep 
>>> getting a "/Hamlib error/: IO /error/ while opening connection to 
>>> rig" error. I have the right cables and jumper module in the 
>>> signalink, Radio selection is KX3 (it's supposed to work), USB and 
>>> VOX is selected and VOX is ON. 8 bits, one stop and handshake NONE. 
>>> No matter what I do I still get the error.
>>>
>>> Any ideas please? It's driving me nuts! This shouldn't be this 
>>> difficult. Any help appreciated.
>>>
>>> Tom - KB2SMS
>>>
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From neilz at techie.com  Fri Jul 21 09:14:12 2017
From: neilz at techie.com (Neil Zampella)
Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2017 09:14:12 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Trying to get on FT-8 with my KX2
In-Reply-To: <1d766a43-eb26-5c01-c444-a540a3b250f2@hvc.rr.com>
References: <1d766a43-eb26-5c01-c444-a540a3b250f2@hvc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <99714d7a-14ba-fef3-2fc3-baac7255c535@techie.com>

Tom,

Why are you using a Signalink ???    Its not needed for WSJT-X, and I'm 
not sure that its needed for any other digital mode. You can connect the 
KX to your computer using the steps below.

1.   Find yourself a good USB external soundcard that provides a 48,000 
Hz DVD quality INPUT and OUTPUT.    WSJT-X requires this, you can pick 
one up at Amazon for less than $30, or get a good one for $70.  I'm not 
sure the Signalink provides that DVD quality out.
2.   Use the KUSB cable for CAT control.  WSJT-X will use it for PTT and 
Freq control.
3.   Get two 2.5mm cables for the stereo in and out and hook them up to 
the external soundcard.
4.   Set the Windows audio in for the soundcard at 100, and use the AF 
knob to set the dB in to WSJT-X
5.    Use the rig's PWR knob to set the output power, and then when in 
tx, set the MIC knob to show 4 bars of ALC

That's it ... in WSJT-X set the rig for K3/KX3,  set the serial port as 
the same one that the KUSB is assigned to, baud rate at 38400, 8 data 
bits, 2 stop bits, no handshake, PTT at CAT, Mode at Data/Pkt, Split at 
RIG.  Once its setup, the TEST CAT button there should turn green, you 
can then click the TEST PTT and it will kick the rig in.

Hope this helps,

Neil, KN3ILZ



On 7/21/2017 8:08 AM, Tommy wrote:
> Hi folks,
>
>      Trying to get WSJT-X going with FT8 and my new KX2. I keep 
> getting a "/Hamlib error/: IO /error/ while opening connection to rig" 
> error. I have the right cables and jumper module in the signalink, 
> Radio selection is KX3 (it's supposed to work), USB and VOX is 
> selected and VOX is ON. 8 bits, one stop and handshake NONE. No matter 
> what I do I still get the error.
>
> Any ideas please? It's driving me nuts! This shouldn't be this 
> difficult. Any help appreciated.
>
> Tom - KB2SMS
>
>


From aurich85 at yahoo.com  Fri Jul 21 09:20:49 2017
From: aurich85 at yahoo.com (Luke)
Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2017 13:20:49 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] Trying to get on FT-8 with my KX2
References: <1857777951.2411406.1500643249131.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1857777951.2411406.1500643249131@mail.yahoo.com>

Just out of curiosity, is there an advantage to using a Signalink with your KX2? I simply use the KX3-PCKT cables to pass the audio in/out directly to my laptop without any other interface. Granted, it doesn't allow me rig control from the computer, but I can easily change bands on the radio manually. While it's not as full-featured as having complete rig control, it at least saves me the headache of a second device, and rig communication problems :)

Hope to see you on FT8 soon!

Luke
AD0KI


From alsopb at comcast.net  Fri Jul 21 09:25:03 2017
From: alsopb at comcast.net (brian)
Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2017 13:25:03 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Trying to get on FT-8 with my KX2
In-Reply-To: <503822e9-7450-1a0f-1e2a-85847e3f4bf8@embarqmail.com>
References: <1d766a43-eb26-5c01-c444-a540a3b250f2@hvc.rr.com>	<BN6PR15MB14254D5902F4A59C75B299FDFAA40@BN6PR15MB1425.namprd15.prod.outlook.com>	<cf9435cb-daa4-7c20-cf5a-755a4a091dd8@hvc.rr.com>
	<503822e9-7450-1a0f-1e2a-85847e3f4bf8@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <597200AF.9080701@comcast.net>

Rig control with WSJT is over rated. The only functionality I am aware 
of is one click band change.  I suppose if you uses its logging 
capability, it would put the freq in there.   However, the frequency is 
the same for all QSO's within a band.

The present release for FT8 only has a blank frequency list.
So one doesn't even get that functionality.

I never got WSJT to work over a LPBRIDGE virtual port with the K3.  It 
only works via a direct connect port.  WSPR has the same problem.
So I do without the above and manually log QSO's in the logging program 
window.  With JT65 that was fine.  The higher QSO rate with FT8 makes 
this more of a pain.

The above simply reflects my experience.  I'd be happy to hear about 
workarounds others have found.

73 de Brian/K3KO


On 7/21/2017 12:55 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
> Tom,
>
> You must define to Hamlib which COM port has been assigned to that USB
> to serial adapter.  Just saying USB is insufficient - Hamlib only knows
> COM Port numbers.
>
> If you did not see which COM port was assigned by your computer when you
> plugged in the USB to serial adapter, open Device manager and expand the
> PORTS entry.  If the assigned COM port is not obvious, unplug it and see
> which COM port goes away.  Then plug it back in and see whhich COM port
> is added.
> Put that COM port number into Hamlib.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 7/21/2017 8:41 AM, Tommy wrote:
>> Hi Kevin,
>>
>>    Sorry about that, Windows 8.1. USB is selected for serial port.
>>
>> Tom
>>
>>
>>
>> On 07/21/2017 08:19 AM, kevino z wrote:
>>> Have you tried using FLrig? I use FLrig with my KX2 and KX3, then
>>> FLdigi talks to FLrig.
>>> Also, make sure your comm port is the right one. I assume you?re on
>>> windows, but you didn?t mention. So, which OS are you on?
>>> -Kevin (KK4YEL)
>>>
>>>
>>> No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However, a large
>>> number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced !
>>>
>>> On Jul 21, 2017, at 08:10, Tommy <tommy58 at hvc.rr.com
>>> <mailto:tommy58 at hvc.rr.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>   Hi folks,
>>>>
>>>>     Trying to get WSJT-X going with FT8 and my new KX2. I keep
>>>> getting a "/Hamlib error/: IO /error/ while opening connection to
>>>> rig" error. I have the right cables and jumper module in the
>>>> signalink, Radio selection is KX3 (it's supposed to work), USB and
>>>> VOX is selected and VOX is ON. 8 bits, one stop and handshake NONE.
>>>> No matter what I do I still get the error.
>>>>
>>>> Any ideas please? It's driving me nuts! This shouldn't be this
>>>> difficult. Any help appreciated.
>>>>
>>>> Tom - KB2SMS
>>>>
>>>> ______________________________________________________________
>>>> Elecraft mailing list
>>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
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>>
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From tommy58 at hvc.rr.com  Fri Jul 21 09:25:45 2017
From: tommy58 at hvc.rr.com (Tommy)
Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2017 09:25:45 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Trying to get on FT-8 with my KX2
In-Reply-To: <99714d7a-14ba-fef3-2fc3-baac7255c535@techie.com>
References: <1d766a43-eb26-5c01-c444-a540a3b250f2@hvc.rr.com>
	<99714d7a-14ba-fef3-2fc3-baac7255c535@techie.com>
Message-ID: <8735d937-b095-50db-4302-08dcd046cd66@hvc.rr.com>

Thanks for the info. I'm using a Signalink because I have one and bought 
the appropriate cable for it. My issue is with the com port apparently. 
WSJT-X won't let me select one, it just says "USB" with no other choices.

Tom



On 07/21/2017 09:14 AM, Neil Zampella wrote:
> Tom,
>
> Why are you using a Signalink ???    Its not needed for WSJT-X, and 
> I'm not sure that its needed for any other digital mode. You can 
> connect the KX to your computer using the steps below.
>
> 1.   Find yourself a good USB external soundcard that provides a 
> 48,000 Hz DVD quality INPUT and OUTPUT.    WSJT-X requires this, you 
> can pick one up at Amazon for less than $30, or get a good one for 
> $70.  I'm not sure the Signalink provides that DVD quality out.
> 2.   Use the KUSB cable for CAT control.  WSJT-X will use it for PTT 
> and Freq control.
> 3.   Get two 2.5mm cables for the stereo in and out and hook them up 
> to the external soundcard.
> 4.   Set the Windows audio in for the soundcard at 100, and use the AF 
> knob to set the dB in to WSJT-X
> 5.    Use the rig's PWR knob to set the output power, and then when in 
> tx, set the MIC knob to show 4 bars of ALC
>
> That's it ... in WSJT-X set the rig for K3/KX3,  set the serial port 
> as the same one that the KUSB is assigned to, baud rate at 38400, 8 
> data bits, 2 stop bits, no handshake, PTT at CAT, Mode at Data/Pkt, 
> Split at RIG.  Once its setup, the TEST CAT button there should turn 
> green, you can then click the TEST PTT and it will kick the rig in.
>
> Hope this helps,
>
> Neil, KN3ILZ
>
>
>
> On 7/21/2017 8:08 AM, Tommy wrote:
>> Hi folks,
>>
>>      Trying to get WSJT-X going with FT8 and my new KX2. I keep 
>> getting a "/Hamlib error/: IO /error/ while opening connection to 
>> rig" error. I have the right cables and jumper module in the 
>> signalink, Radio selection is KX3 (it's supposed to work), USB and 
>> VOX is selected and VOX is ON. 8 bits, one stop and handshake NONE. 
>> No matter what I do I still get the error.
>>
>> Any ideas please? It's driving me nuts! This shouldn't be this 
>> difficult. Any help appreciated.
>>
>> Tom - KB2SMS
>>
>>
>
>


From tommy58 at hvc.rr.com  Fri Jul 21 09:34:08 2017
From: tommy58 at hvc.rr.com (Tommy)
Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2017 09:34:08 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Trying to get on FT-8 with my KX2
In-Reply-To: <1857777951.2411406.1500643249131@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1857777951.2411406.1500643249131.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<1857777951.2411406.1500643249131@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <ea24306a-709b-cae3-c0cf-38b46f835888@hvc.rr.com>

Well I have a Signalink and the appropriate cables for the KX2. This 
should work. It seems to be a com port issue and I can't change the 
setting within WSJT-X for some reason.  My laptop has only a speaker jack.

Tom



On 07/21/2017 09:20 AM, Luke via Elecraft wrote:
> Just out of curiosity, is there an advantage to using a Signalink with your KX2? I simply use the KX3-PCKT cables to pass the audio in/out directly to my laptop without any other interface. Granted, it doesn't allow me rig control from the computer, but I can easily change bands on the radio manually. While it's not as full-featured as having complete rig control, it at least saves me the headache of a second device, and rig communication problems :)
>
> Hope to see you on FT8 soon!
>
> Luke
> AD0KI
>
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From aurich85 at yahoo.com  Fri Jul 21 09:42:29 2017
From: aurich85 at yahoo.com (Luke)
Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2017 13:42:29 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] UV Discoloration of KXPD2
References: <1913951579.2454744.1500644549489.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1913951579.2454744.1500644549489@mail.yahoo.com>

I had my KX2 sitting near a window for a couple of weeks and then noticed my KXPD2 had discolored quite a bit from the UV. Has anyone else experienced this? I'm a Product Test Technician for a company that deals primarily with molded plastics, and UV degradation is a problem we see frequently, but can be reduced through various methods (base material change, coatings, additives, etc). I could be wrong but it appears the KXPD2 is 3D printed? If so, perhaps a different variety/color of resin might reduce the amount of fading/yellowing due to sunlight. I think a black KXPD2 would look pretty sharp... ;-)

Thanks!

Luke
AD0KI

From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Fri Jul 21 09:47:24 2017
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2017 08:47:24 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Trying to get on FT-8 with my KX2
In-Reply-To: <597200AF.9080701@comcast.net>
References: <1d766a43-eb26-5c01-c444-a540a3b250f2@hvc.rr.com>
	<BN6PR15MB14254D5902F4A59C75B299FDFAA40@BN6PR15MB1425.namprd15.prod.outlook.com>
	<cf9435cb-daa4-7c20-cf5a-755a4a091dd8@hvc.rr.com>
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	<597200AF.9080701@comcast.net>
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I use the logging feature in WSJT-X.  It does record the frequency and 
signal reports in FT-8 mode as well as others.  From this I export the 
ADIF file to my logging program and upload to LOTW.

The issue I've encountered it that the ADIF Standard does not have the 
FT-8 mode.  Thus it is not correctly identified in either QRZ.COM log or 
LOTW.    Until the ADIF Standard is updated, we seem to be stuck.  The 
standards committee has been alerted to the needs.

Here are a few lines of my log from WSJT-X.  Looks like all the data 
needed is present.   As you can see from my log, the frequency is not 
"standard" with the band but the real frequency is recorded.

The sequence is:  Date, time on, time off, call, grid, frequency, mode, 
sig sent, sig received, power, mode, sent and received signal reports.

2017-07-21,01:05:45,2017-07-21,01:06:45,J69DS,FK94,10.137293,FT8,-10,-16,50,FT8 
Sent: -10  Rcvd: -16,
2017-07-21,01:10:45,2017-07-21,01:11:45,ON8KW,JO20,10.138000,FT8,-01,+02,50,FT8 
Sent: -01  Rcvd: +02,
2017-07-21,01:14:30,2017-07-21,01:15:27,VA3MJR,FN03,10.137850,FT8,-06,-02,50,FT8 
Sent: -06  Rcvd: -02,
2017-07-21,01:15:45,2017-07-21,01:17:15,W7AH,DM42,10.137898,FT8,+04,-01,50,FT8 
Sent: +04  Rcvd: -01,
2017-07-21,01:19:00,2017-07-21,01:20:00,W6GMT,EN37,10.137604,FT8,+00,-04,50,FT8 
Sent: +00  Rcvd: -04,

73
Bob, K4TAX


On 7/21/2017 8:25 AM, brian wrote:
> Rig control with WSJT is over rated. The only functionality I am aware 
> of is one click band change.  I suppose if you uses its logging 
> capability, it would put the freq in there.   However, the frequency 
> is the same for all QSO's within a band.
>
> The present release for FT8 only has a blank frequency list.
> So one doesn't even get that functionality.
>
> I never got WSJT to work over a LPBRIDGE virtual port with the K3.  It 
> only works via a direct connect port.  WSPR has the same problem.
> So I do without the above and manually log QSO's in the logging 
> program window.  With JT65 that was fine.  The higher QSO rate with 
> FT8 makes this more of a pain.
>
> The above simply reflects my experience.  I'd be happy to hear about 
> workarounds others have found.
>
> 73 de Brian/K3KO



From neilz at techie.com  Fri Jul 21 09:52:18 2017
From: neilz at techie.com (Neil Zampella)
Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2017 09:52:18 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Trying to get on FT-8 with my KX2
In-Reply-To: <8735d937-b095-50db-4302-08dcd046cd66@hvc.rr.com>
References: <1d766a43-eb26-5c01-c444-a540a3b250f2@hvc.rr.com>
	<99714d7a-14ba-fef3-2fc3-baac7255c535@techie.com>
	<8735d937-b095-50db-4302-08dcd046cd66@hvc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <80348b5f-593c-54d0-0cda-2a89d155611a@techie.com>

Tom,

the Signalink should have a COM port assigned against it.   I'm assuming 
you're using Windows, if so, go into the Device Manager, and check to 
see if there are any PORTs listed.     I suspect it doesn't show one.    
I also assume that you have the Signalink selected as the Sound Card 
under Audio.  If you can't see it there, then you may be out of luck 
with the Signalink, unless there are drivers you haven't installed.

Try this.    Turn off all system sounds & JT-Alert sounds (if you have 
it installed) and using stereo cables and the KUSB cable, connect right 
to the computer, using the computer's soundcard.

Then set WSJT-X as I listed below, and make sure the audio shows the 
computer soundcard's mike as input and speakers as output.

If it works that way, then the issue is with the Signalink.

Neil, KN3ILZ



On 7/21/2017 9:25 AM, Tommy wrote:
> Thanks for the info. I'm using a Signalink because I have one and 
> bought the appropriate cable for it. My issue is with the com port 
> apparently. WSJT-X won't let me select one, it just says "USB" with no 
> other choices.
>
> Tom
>
>
>
> On 07/21/2017 09:14 AM, Neil Zampella wrote:
>> Tom,
>>
>> Why are you using a Signalink ???    Its not needed for WSJT-X, and 
>> I'm not sure that its needed for any other digital mode. You can 
>> connect the KX to your computer using the steps below.
>>
>> 1.   Find yourself a good USB external soundcard that provides a 
>> 48,000 Hz DVD quality INPUT and OUTPUT.    WSJT-X requires this, you 
>> can pick one up at Amazon for less than $30, or get a good one for 
>> $70.  I'm not sure the Signalink provides that DVD quality out.
>> 2.   Use the KUSB cable for CAT control.  WSJT-X will use it for PTT 
>> and Freq control.
>> 3.   Get two 2.5mm cables for the stereo in and out and hook them up 
>> to the external soundcard.
>> 4.   Set the Windows audio in for the soundcard at 100, and use the 
>> AF knob to set the dB in to WSJT-X
>> 5.    Use the rig's PWR knob to set the output power, and then when 
>> in tx, set the MIC knob to show 4 bars of ALC
>>
>> That's it ... in WSJT-X set the rig for K3/KX3,  set the serial port 
>> as the same one that the KUSB is assigned to, baud rate at 38400, 8 
>> data bits, 2 stop bits, no handshake, PTT at CAT, Mode at Data/Pkt, 
>> Split at RIG.  Once its setup, the TEST CAT button there should turn 
>> green, you can then click the TEST PTT and it will kick the rig in.
>>
>> Hope this helps,
>>
>> Neil, KN3ILZ
>>
>>
>>
>> On 7/21/2017 8:08 AM, Tommy wrote:
>>> Hi folks,
>>>
>>>      Trying to get WSJT-X going with FT8 and my new KX2. I keep 
>>> getting a "/Hamlib error/: IO /error/ while opening connection to 
>>> rig" error. I have the right cables and jumper module in the 
>>> signalink, Radio selection is KX3 (it's supposed to work), USB and 
>>> VOX is selected and VOX is ON. 8 bits, one stop and handshake NONE. 
>>> No matter what I do I still get the error.
>>>
>>> Any ideas please? It's driving me nuts! This shouldn't be this 
>>> difficult. Any help appreciated.
>>>
>>> Tom - KB2SMS
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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From w4as at miamisky.com  Fri Jul 21 11:15:01 2017
From: w4as at miamisky.com (Seb)
Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2017 11:15:01 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Trying to get on FT-8 with my KX2
In-Reply-To: <597200AF.9080701@comcast.net>
References: <1d766a43-eb26-5c01-c444-a540a3b250f2@hvc.rr.com>
	<BN6PR15MB14254D5902F4A59C75B299FDFAA40@BN6PR15MB1425.namprd15.prod.outlook.com>
	<cf9435cb-daa4-7c20-cf5a-755a4a091dd8@hvc.rr.com>
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	<597200AF.9080701@comcast.net>
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I suggest you take some time to read the WSJTX documentation: http://physics.princeton.edu/pulsar/K1JT/wsjtx-doc/wsjtx-main-1.7.0.html#INTRO <http://physics.princeton.edu/pulsar/K1JT/wsjtx-doc/wsjtx-main-1.7.0.html#INTRO>

Here is a snippet which describes the main reason you should be using rig control:

Split Operation: Significant advantages result from using Split mode (separate VFOs for Rx and Tx) if your radio supports it. If it does not, WSJT-X can emulate such behavior. Either method will result in a cleaner transmitted signal, by keeping the Tx audio always in the range 1500 to 2000 Hz so that audio harmonics cannot pass through the Tx sideband filter. Select Rig to use the radio?s Split mode, or Fake It to have WSJT-X adjust the VFO frequency as needed, when T/R switching occurs. Choose None if you do not wish to use split operation.
The frequency list is blank by default.  You need to first select your region in File, Settings, IARU Region.  That will populate the frequency list with suggested frequencies.  You are free to edit them as well.

I also was never able to get it to work reliably with LPBridge, but since I switched over to com0com along with Win4K3Suite it has been a pleasure to use.

73 de Sebastian, W4AS




> On Jul 21, 2017, at 9:25 AM, brian <alsopb at comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> Rig control with WSJT is over rated. The only functionality I am aware of is one click band change.  I suppose if you uses its logging capability, it would put the freq in there.   However, the frequency is the same for all QSO's within a band.
> 
> The present release for FT8 only has a blank frequency list.
> So one doesn't even get that functionality.
> 
> I never got WSJT to work over a LPBRIDGE virtual port with the K3.  It only works via a direct connect port.  WSPR has the same problem.
> So I do without the above and manually log QSO's in the logging program window.  With JT65 that was fine.  The higher QSO rate with FT8 makes this more of a pain.
> 
> The above simply reflects my experience.  I'd be happy to hear about workarounds others have found.
> 
> 73 de Brian/K3KO
> 


From ve3iay at gmail.com  Fri Jul 21 10:12:08 2017
From: ve3iay at gmail.com (Richard Ferch)
Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2017 10:12:08 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Trying to get on FT-8 with my KX2
Message-ID: <CAJ-xeHkHK8MhtyV2QfH9OpgG35qnEuWf3N5av7NZ8pDDxvQOvw@mail.gmail.com>

The SignaLink has nothing to do with rig control. All it is is a
single-channel sound card, plus an external VOX circuit to generate PTT.
You don't need the VOX circuit with elecraft rigs, their own VOX works fine
in digital modes, so all you are getting from the SignaLink is the sound
card. You can get better sound cards for less, but if you already have a
SignaLink, you can use it as your sound card.

What you need for rig control is a serial port connection to the rig's
serial control port. The KXUSB is your best bet, or if you already have a
serial port or a USB-to-serial adapter, you can use a KXSER between the
serial port and the KX2.

In WSJT-X, for PTT you can simply use VOX, which does not require rig
control, or if you have rig control working, you can have the rig control
do the PTT. Apart from that, what rig control really gives you is frequency
control. In addition to giving you instant band changes and avoiding
logging contacts on the wrong band, rig control also enables WSJT-X's Split
capability, which tunes the rig's dial frequency automatically in order to
keep the audio tones you are using between 1500 Hz and 2000 Hz. This helps
avoid transmitting spurious signals created by audio harmonics, and it
ensures that the transmitted power does not drop off towards the edges of
the receiver bandpass.

Rig control is certainly worthwhile, but it needs something separate from
the SignaLink.

73,
Rich VE3KI

KB2SMS wrote:

> Thanks for the info. I'm using a Signalink because I have one and bought
> the appropriate cable for it. My issue is with the com port apparently.
> WSJT-X won't let me select one, it just says "USB" with no other choices.

From detrick at merzhaus.org  Fri Jul 21 11:59:56 2017
From: detrick at merzhaus.org (Detrick Merz)
Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2017 11:59:56 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Bioennopower LiFePO4 teardown?
In-Reply-To: <CAJ-Q2SW8qm5N0Re48r3wp+pRFqD_01CFx1KR9+Mm2bc+9dwbKA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJ-Q2SW8qm5N0Re48r3wp+pRFqD_01CFx1KR9+Mm2bc+9dwbKA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJ-Q2SXFKCeyi+r0K=kzy3F4Uhay7vHHL0hv2rH3b9cY6rcPjQ@mail.gmail.com>

Has anyone disassembled a Bioennopower LiFePO4 pack yet? I recently asked
them if it was possible to charge via the power pole connector instead of
the normal charge port, and they said, "Yes, that's fine."

This left me curious: why the second port for charging? How are the cables
connected inside?

-detrick
KI4STU

From KY5G at montac.com  Fri Jul 21 12:15:25 2017
From: KY5G at montac.com (Clay Autery)
Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2017 11:15:25 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Bioennopower LiFePO4 teardown?
In-Reply-To: <CAJ-Q2SXFKCeyi+r0K=kzy3F4Uhay7vHHL0hv2rH3b9cY6rcPjQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJ-Q2SW8qm5N0Re48r3wp+pRFqD_01CFx1KR9+Mm2bc+9dwbKA@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <19282191-c6e9-ccfb-820a-775cf23057a7@montac.com>

What battery do you have?

Mine has + and - Batt terminals... that's it.

______________________
Clay Autery, KY5G
MONTAC Enterprises
(318) 518-1389

On 7/21/2017 10:59 AM, Detrick Merz wrote:
> Has anyone disassembled a Bioennopower LiFePO4 pack yet? I recently asked
> them if it was possible to charge via the power pole connector instead of
> the normal charge port, and they said, "Yes, that's fine."
>
> This left me curious: why the second port for charging? How are the cables
> connected inside?
>
> -detrick
> KI4STU


From w6jhb at me.com  Fri Jul 21 12:23:43 2017
From: w6jhb at me.com (James Bennett)
Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2017 09:23:43 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Bioennopower LiFePO4 teardown?
In-Reply-To: <CAJ-Q2SXFKCeyi+r0K=kzy3F4Uhay7vHHL0hv2rH3b9cY6rcPjQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJ-Q2SW8qm5N0Re48r3wp+pRFqD_01CFx1KR9+Mm2bc+9dwbKA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAJ-Q2SXFKCeyi+r0K=kzy3F4Uhay7vHHL0hv2rH3b9cY6rcPjQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <110FBC9B-C3BD-4F31-B8EA-4C988CFEAE7E@me.com>

There are two sets of cables so that the user has the option of using either Power Poles, or their 110-220 volt charger. I asked them about the cables and was told they are simply connected in parallel. You can use which ever is convenient for you.

Jim Bennett / W6JHB
Folsom, CA






> On Jul 21, 2017, at 8:59 AM, Detrick Merz <detrick at merzhaus.org> wrote:
> 
> Has anyone disassembled a Bioennopower LiFePO4 pack yet? I recently asked
> them if it was possible to charge via the power pole connector instead of
> the normal charge port, and they said, "Yes, that's fine."
> 
> This left me curious: why the second port for charging? How are the cables
> connected inside?
> 
> -detrick
> KI4STU
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From z_kevino at hotmail.com  Fri Jul 21 13:46:24 2017
From: z_kevino at hotmail.com (kevino z)
Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2017 17:46:24 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Trying to get on FT-8 with my KX2
In-Reply-To: <CAJ-xeHkHK8MhtyV2QfH9OpgG35qnEuWf3N5av7NZ8pDDxvQOvw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJ-xeHkHK8MhtyV2QfH9OpgG35qnEuWf3N5av7NZ8pDDxvQOvw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BN6PR15MB1425AFCC0FA2603675FA2B3CFAA40@BN6PR15MB1425.namprd15.prod.outlook.com>

Rig control enables split mode which is important. As was stated, you need to go into the device manager, ports, and see what comm port it is, and verify you have the correct one, baud, etc into the software.
-Kevin (KK4YEL)

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On Jul 21, 2017, at 11:52, Richard Ferch <ve3iay at gmail.com<mailto:ve3iay at gmail.com>> wrote:

The SignaLink has nothing to do with rig control. All it is is a
single-channel sound card, plus an external VOX circuit to generate PTT.
You don't need the VOX circuit with elecraft rigs, their own VOX works fine
in digital modes, so all you are getting from the SignaLink is the sound
card. You can get better sound cards for less, but if you already have a
SignaLink, you can use it as your sound card.

What you need for rig control is a serial port connection to the rig's
serial control port. The KXUSB is your best bet, or if you already have a
serial port or a USB-to-serial adapter, you can use a KXSER between the
serial port and the KX2.

In WSJT-X, for PTT you can simply use VOX, which does not require rig
control, or if you have rig control working, you can have the rig control
do the PTT. Apart from that, what rig control really gives you is frequency
control. In addition to giving you instant band changes and avoiding
logging contacts on the wrong band, rig control also enables WSJT-X's Split
capability, which tunes the rig's dial frequency automatically in order to
keep the audio tones you are using between 1500 Hz and 2000 Hz. This helps
avoid transmitting spurious signals created by audio harmonics, and it
ensures that the transmitted power does not drop off towards the edges of
the receiver bandpass.

Rig control is certainly worthwhile, but it needs something separate from
the SignaLink.

73,
Rich VE3KI

KB2SMS wrote:

Thanks for the info. I'm using a Signalink because I have one and bought
the appropriate cable for it. My issue is with the com port apparently.
WSJT-X won't let me select one, it just says "USB" with no other choices.
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From matt at nq6n.com  Fri Jul 21 13:59:32 2017
From: matt at nq6n.com (Matt NQ6N)
Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2017 12:59:32 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] using the KX2 as a remote control head for K3
Message-ID: <CANth69iBOCD=Res8n9=B5MnO0TOf_1Q+kXUpZrES9vQW3pC0mw@mail.gmail.com>

I seem to recall this being discussed with the KX3, but I haven't been able
to find the relevant discussion.

I'm curious if the KX2 can be used to control the K3 remotely in the same
way that a K3 can be used to do so.  Any tips or links to help me figure
this out would be much appreciated.

I am using RCForb connected to the K3 in the shack, but also have an RRC
remote unit and would consider any other options.

73,
Matt NQ6N

From kkinderen at gmail.com  Fri Jul 21 14:31:29 2017
From: kkinderen at gmail.com (Kevin der Kinderen)
Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2017 14:31:29 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Bioennopower LiFePO4 teardown?
In-Reply-To: <110FBC9B-C3BD-4F31-B8EA-4C988CFEAE7E@me.com>
References: <CAJ-Q2SW8qm5N0Re48r3wp+pRFqD_01CFx1KR9+Mm2bc+9dwbKA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAJ-Q2SXFKCeyi+r0K=kzy3F4Uhay7vHHL0hv2rH3b9cY6rcPjQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<110FBC9B-C3BD-4F31-B8EA-4C988CFEAE7E@me.com>
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I don't know... are you sure the cables just connect in parallel? Maybe
simple enough to check with an ohmmeter but here's what I see on their site
for this battery:

Charge Connector: DC Plug
Discharge Connector:  Anderson Powerpole

This tells me each connector has a different purpose. In fact, considering
the electronics built into their batteries and the individual cells it kind
of makes sense to me that one cable is a gozinta and the other's a gozouta.
I've always charged with the barrel and discharged with the power poles.

73,
Kev K4VD


On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 12:23 PM, James Bennett <w6jhb at me.com> wrote:

> There are two sets of cables so that the user has the option of using
> either Power Poles, or their 110-220 volt charger. I asked them about the
> cables and was told they are simply connected in parallel. You can use
> which ever is convenient for you.
>
> Jim Bennett / W6JHB
> Folsom, CA
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jul 21, 2017, at 8:59 AM, Detrick Merz <detrick at merzhaus.org> wrote:
> >
> > Has anyone disassembled a Bioennopower LiFePO4 pack yet? I recently asked
> > them if it was possible to charge via the power pole connector instead of
> > the normal charge port, and they said, "Yes, that's fine."
> >
> > This left me curious: why the second port for charging? How are the
> cables
> > connected inside?
> >
> > -detrick
> > KI4STU
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From w6jhb at me.com  Fri Jul 21 14:42:35 2017
From: w6jhb at me.com (James Bennett)
Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2017 11:42:35 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Bioennopower LiFePO4 teardown?
In-Reply-To: <CAFA9ujuPg8G4Y6nY0xtpUaWtxhtrSDkkNACxgT8sHPvzY3Ex9A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJ-Q2SW8qm5N0Re48r3wp+pRFqD_01CFx1KR9+Mm2bc+9dwbKA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAJ-Q2SXFKCeyi+r0K=kzy3F4Uhay7vHHL0hv2rH3b9cY6rcPjQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<110FBC9B-C3BD-4F31-B8EA-4C988CFEAE7E@me.com>
	<CAFA9ujuPg8G4Y6nY0xtpUaWtxhtrSDkkNACxgT8sHPvzY3Ex9A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D41774CA-EA32-488C-9229-EBA0F1771375@me.com>

Yep, I am sure. Ive charged mine with both (not at the same time). And I exchanged email with them about it. They are one in the same. 

> On Jul 21, 2017, at 11:31 AM, Kevin der Kinderen <kkinderen at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I don't know... are you sure the cables just connect in parallel? Maybe simple enough to check with an ohmmeter but here's what I see on their site for this battery:
> 
> Charge Connector: DC Plug
> Discharge Connector:  Anderson Powerpole
> 
> This tells me each connector has a different purpose. In fact, considering the electronics built into their batteries and the individual cells it kind of makes sense to me that one cable is a gozinta and the other's a gozouta. I've always charged with the barrel and discharged with the power poles.
> 
> 73,
> Kev K4VD
> 
> 
>> On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 12:23 PM, James Bennett <w6jhb at me.com> wrote:
>> There are two sets of cables so that the user has the option of using either Power Poles, or their 110-220 volt charger. I asked them about the cables and was told they are simply connected in parallel. You can use which ever is convenient for you.
>> 
>> Jim Bennett / W6JHB
>> Folsom, CA
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> > On Jul 21, 2017, at 8:59 AM, Detrick Merz <detrick at merzhaus.org> wrote:
>> >
>> > Has anyone disassembled a Bioennopower LiFePO4 pack yet? I recently asked
>> > them if it was possible to charge via the power pole connector instead of
>> > the normal charge port, and they said, "Yes, that's fine."
>> >
>> > This left me curious: why the second port for charging? How are the cables
>> > connected inside?
>> >
>> > -detrick
>> > KI4STU
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From tommy58 at hvc.rr.com  Fri Jul 21 14:43:49 2017
From: tommy58 at hvc.rr.com (Tommy)
Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2017 14:43:49 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Trying to get on FT-8 with my KX2
In-Reply-To: <CAJ-xeHkHK8MhtyV2QfH9OpgG35qnEuWf3N5av7NZ8pDDxvQOvw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJ-xeHkHK8MhtyV2QfH9OpgG35qnEuWf3N5av7NZ8pDDxvQOvw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <95c0e843-fca0-b754-cbce-c7e3dbdff385@hvc.rr.com>

Hi Rich and gang,

    I'm FINALLY making some progress here. I hooked up the KXUSB to the 
ACC. port on the KX2 and the speaker cable from the Signalink to the 
phone jack on the KX2 and I'm now seeing and decoding signals. I'm 
seeing my monitor data on PSKreporter as well. Hitting "tune" in WSJT 
keys the rig. Haven't tried sending a CW yet as I'm now trying to figure 
out how to set up the auto respond/generate std msgs. feature. The wide 
graph doesn't look right to me, looks "nasty". I see faint WIDE signals 
through horizontal lines from top to bottom.

Tom - KB2SMS



On 07/21/2017 10:12 AM, Richard Ferch wrote:
> The SignaLink has nothing to do with rig control. All it is is a
> single-channel sound card, plus an external VOX circuit to generate PTT.
> You don't need the VOX circuit with elecraft rigs, their own VOX works fine
> in digital modes, so all you are getting from the SignaLink is the sound
> card. You can get better sound cards for less, but if you already have a
> SignaLink, you can use it as your sound card.
>
> What you need for rig control is a serial port connection to the rig's
> serial control port. The KXUSB is your best bet, or if you already have a
> serial port or a USB-to-serial adapter, you can use a KXSER between the
> serial port and the KX2.
>
> In WSJT-X, for PTT you can simply use VOX, which does not require rig
> control, or if you have rig control working, you can have the rig control
> do the PTT. Apart from that, what rig control really gives you is frequency
> control. In addition to giving you instant band changes and avoiding
> logging contacts on the wrong band, rig control also enables WSJT-X's Split
> capability, which tunes the rig's dial frequency automatically in order to
> keep the audio tones you are using between 1500 Hz and 2000 Hz. This helps
> avoid transmitting spurious signals created by audio harmonics, and it
> ensures that the transmitted power does not drop off towards the edges of
> the receiver bandpass.
>
> Rig control is certainly worthwhile, but it needs something separate from
> the SignaLink.
>
> 73,
> Rich VE3KI
>
> KB2SMS wrote:
>
>> Thanks for the info. I'm using a Signalink because I have one and bought
>> the appropriate cable for it. My issue is with the com port apparently.
>> WSJT-X won't let me select one, it just says "USB" with no other choices.
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From wes_n7ws at triconet.org  Fri Jul 21 15:20:27 2017
From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes Stewart)
Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2017 12:20:27 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Trying to get on FT-8 with my KX2
In-Reply-To: <597200AF.9080701@comcast.net>
References: <1d766a43-eb26-5c01-c444-a540a3b250f2@hvc.rr.com>
	<BN6PR15MB14254D5902F4A59C75B299FDFAA40@BN6PR15MB1425.namprd15.prod.outlook.com>
	<cf9435cb-daa4-7c20-cf5a-755a4a091dd8@hvc.rr.com>
	<503822e9-7450-1a0f-1e2a-85847e3f4bf8@embarqmail.com>
	<597200AF.9080701@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <8c70f7d7-4f17-f289-e461-31a06e37d4b2@triconet.org>

Agree.  It won't work for me either using LPBridge.

Wes  N7WS


On 7/21/2017 6:25 AM, brian wrote:
> ...
>
> I never got WSJT to work over a LPBRIDGE virtual port with the K3.  It only 
> works via a direct connect port.  WSPR has the same problem.
> So I do without the above and manually log QSO's in the logging program 
> window.  With JT65 that was fine.  The higher QSO rate with FT8 makes this 
> more of a pain.
>
> The above simply reflects my experience.  I'd be happy to hear about 
> workarounds others have found.
>
> 73 de Brian/K3KO


From k6dgw at foothill.net  Fri Jul 21 15:22:04 2017
From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen)
Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2017 12:22:04 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Trying to get on FT-8 with my KX2
In-Reply-To: <1857777951.2411406.1500643249131@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1857777951.2411406.1500643249131.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<1857777951.2411406.1500643249131@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <ccdd8130-e0c5-58c1-abdd-dd5ae560fd4a@foothill.net>

Not that I've ever been able to find unless more "stuff" and wires for 
your wireless is good for you.

73,

Fred ("Skip") K6DGW
Sparks NV USA
Washoe County DM09dn

On 7/21/2017 6:20 AM, Luke via Elecraft wrote:
> Just out of curiosity, is there an advantage to using a Signalink with your KX2?


From ve3iay at gmail.com  Fri Jul 21 15:53:19 2017
From: ve3iay at gmail.com (Richard Ferch)
Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2017 15:53:19 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Trying to get on FT-8 with my KX2
Message-ID: <CAJ-xeHnR1zVV_g947xswfYEGzTMb79a9VxXTkDoboGcxshWavg@mail.gmail.com>

I configure WSJT-X to use DXLab Suite's Commander for rig control.
Commander works fine through LP-Bridge.

73,
Rich VE3KI

On 7/21/2017 6:25 AM, brian wrote:
> ...
>
> I never got WSJT to work over a LPBRIDGE virtual port with the K3.  It
only
> works via a direct connect port.  WSPR has the same problem.
> So I do without the above and manually log QSO's in the logging program
> window.  With JT65 that was fine.  The higher QSO rate with FT8 makes
this
> more of a pain.
>
> The above simply reflects my experience.  I'd be happy to hear about
> workarounds others have found.
>
> 73 de Brian/K3KO

From eben at sdk.co.nz  Fri Jul 21 16:47:46 2017
From: eben at sdk.co.nz (Eben Bruyns)
Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2017 08:47:46 +1200
Subject: [Elecraft] Kx3 rfi when power set to 0watt
Message-ID: <CAEPc2HetJfkD+0RAzjeDUdgfPk9pwZvxM6G_-yfovdYsLhvMew@mail.gmail.com>

I'm a new ham and this is my first radio...

So far I've managed to make contact on 80m but it leaves a lot to be desired.

While messing around I tuned a portable receiver to the same frequency
as the kx3. I had the kx3 power set to 0 watts and keyed the mic. The
receiver produced qrm every time I did this.

Is this normal?

-- 
Regards,

Eben Bruyns

From KX3.1 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com  Fri Jul 21 17:17:18 2017
From: KX3.1 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com (Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT)
Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2017 14:17:18 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Kx3 rfi when power set to 0watt
In-Reply-To: <CAEPc2HetJfkD+0RAzjeDUdgfPk9pwZvxM6G_-yfovdYsLhvMew@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPc2HetJfkD+0RAzjeDUdgfPk9pwZvxM6G_-yfovdYsLhvMew@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <401cf47d-59da-1f7b-ed47-dfe13c328b20@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com>

I would expect 0 watts to be zero watts for all practical purposes.

I wouldn't be at all surprised to find out that 0 watts was very close 
to, but not exactly 0.

... and if your receiver is any good at all, picking up a signal that is 
for all practical purposes zero within 100 meters is kind of expected.

If you want to practice with the radio, get a 50 ohm dummy load.  Even 
that is likely to be heard on your other receiver.

73, and welcome to the hobby!

-- Lynn

On 7/21/2017 1:47 PM, Eben Bruyns wrote:
> I'm a new ham and this is my first radio...
> 
> So far I've managed to make contact on 80m but it leaves a lot to be desired.
> 
> While messing around I tuned a portable receiver to the same frequency
> as the kx3. I had the kx3 power set to 0 watts and keyed the mic. The
> receiver produced qrm every time I did this.
> 
> Is this normal?
> 

From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Fri Jul 21 17:41:30 2017
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2017 17:41:30 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Kx3 rfi when power set to 0watt
In-Reply-To: <CAEPc2HetJfkD+0RAzjeDUdgfPk9pwZvxM6G_-yfovdYsLhvMew@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPc2HetJfkD+0RAzjeDUdgfPk9pwZvxM6G_-yfovdYsLhvMew@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8a3bcb7c-6411-0fc4-2c6b-4b39917e24d0@embarqmail.com>

Eben,

I have not tried it, but I suspect that is normal with a receiver tuned 
to the same frequency and its antenna close to the KX3.
The KX3 is an SDR which means that it is using an internal oscillator 
tuned to the signal frequency.  That internal oscillator could be heard 
by a nearby receiver.

If you want to hear your own signal, work the KX3 into a dummy load at 
some medium power level and place the antenna for your monitoring 
receiver in whatever proximity to the dummy load that will give you an 
S-9 signal on that receiver - do not overdrive the receiver, or it may 
make 'funny noises'.

Keep trying to make contacts.  At this point in the sunspot cycle, 
propagation is poor on the higher frequency ham bands and 80 or 160 
meters are normally not very good for daytime contacts.  Try 40 meters 
during the day and early evening, and 80 meters after dark.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 7/21/2017 4:47 PM, Eben Bruyns wrote:
> I'm a new ham and this is my first radio...
> 
> So far I've managed to make contact on 80m but it leaves a lot to be desired.
> 
> While messing around I tuned a portable receiver to the same frequency
> as the kx3. I had the kx3 power set to 0 watts and keyed the mic. The
> receiver produced qrm every time I did this.

From kg4byn at comcast.net  Fri Jul 21 17:51:46 2017
From: kg4byn at comcast.net (KG4BYN- Ben Harold)
Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2017 17:51:46 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Want to Buy Working Used K2
Message-ID: <2ba0e5f3-a19a-bdf4-7d28-f7da1cc2c2c6@comcast.net>

As many of you know, I've been slammed with cancer since 2014 (they gave 
me a week to live). After surgery in 2015, it returned to another area.  
I've been undergoing dreadful and sickening chemotherapy since then, 
with bi-weekly treatments. Toss in a whopping diagnosed case of PTSD 
(from months of hospitalization and cancer-related issues) and you come 
pretty close to going bonkers. Due to my situation (I can't assemble or 
repair anything. I can't even solder a coax connector, anymore)._I'm 
looking for a WORKING used QRP model k2_, with the SSB add-on (kenwood 
mike), as well as automatic antenna tuner, and noise blanker. 
/_Important: let me say this, amateur radio is *THE* only thing that 
gives me any pleasure and occupies my mind._/  We have an extremely 
fixed/limited budget and the usual expenses (no credit cards or loans).  
My XYL's and my only expenses are those we live off of, SO it gets 
pretty bleak. My budget for this CAN'T be over 450 dollars (including 
shipping).  I won't have my "old man's s.s. retirement check until 
August 3 (about a couple of weeks away), but I wanted to get the word 
out. I'd really prefer a "somewhat" high serial number and upgrades (but 
who wouldn't?). Even keeping your eyes open for a dusty one on a shelf 
(that works well) would be greatly appreciated. Oh, and eBay is OUT!  If 
you're able to offer assistance, I'm kg4byn at comcast.net, you may also 
request my home phone number, privately. /_I realize that i AM asking 
for a BREAK, here!_/  But with all I've been through and going through, 
believe me, I could definitely*use* a break.  I really need your 
assistance, please, and thank you for your consideration.
sincerely,
ben harold - kg4byn



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From ktalbott at gamewood.net  Fri Jul 21 18:00:53 2017
From: ktalbott at gamewood.net (ktalbott)
Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2017 18:00:53 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Bioennopower LiFePO4 teardown?
Message-ID: <20170721150056.58FB579F@m0116953.ppops.net>

I agree Kev. My bienno has powerpole for load, coaxial for charge (12.6 vdc). I don't think the coaxial should/could be used for load.Ken ke4rg


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-------- Original message --------From: Kevin der Kinderen <kkinderen at gmail.com> Date: 7/21/17  2:31 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: James Bennett <w6jhb at me.com> Cc: Elecraft Reflector Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: Bioennopower LiFePO4 teardown? 
I don't know... are you sure the cables just connect in parallel? Maybe
simple enough to check with an ohmmeter but here's what I see on their site
for this battery:

Charge Connector: DC Plug
Discharge Connector:? Anderson Powerpole

This tells me each connector has a different purpose. In fact, considering
the electronics built into their batteries and the individual cells it kind
of makes sense to me that one cable is a gozinta and the other's a gozouta.
I've always charged with the barrel and discharged with the power poles.

73,
Kev K4VD


On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 12:23 PM, James Bennett <w6jhb at me.com> wrote:

> There are two sets of cables so that the user has the option of using
> either Power Poles, or their 110-220 volt charger. I asked them about the
> cables and was told they are simply connected in parallel. You can use
> which ever is convenient for you.
>
> Jim Bennett / W6JHB
> Folsom, CA
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jul 21, 2017, at 8:59 AM, Detrick Merz <detrick at merzhaus.org> wrote:
> >
> > Has anyone disassembled a Bioennopower LiFePO4 pack yet? I recently asked
> > them if it was possible to charge via the power pole connector instead of
> > the normal charge port, and they said, "Yes, that's fine."
> >
> > This left me curious: why the second port for charging? How are the
> cables
> > connected inside?
> >
> > -detrick
> > KI4STU
> > ______________________________________________________________
> > Elecraft mailing list
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From k6dgw at foothill.net  Fri Jul 21 18:05:44 2017
From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen)
Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2017 15:05:44 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Kx3 rfi when power set to 0watt
In-Reply-To: <CAEPc2HetJfkD+0RAzjeDUdgfPk9pwZvxM6G_-yfovdYsLhvMew@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEPc2HetJfkD+0RAzjeDUdgfPk9pwZvxM6G_-yfovdYsLhvMew@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f7007012-5c77-5243-525f-4177c79eb64d@foothill.net>

Welcome to the hobby Eben! To your question first: I'm not sure what you 
mean by "produced QRM," but if you mean audio feedback [various 
squeals], yes, I'd expect that a receiver close to the KX3 is going to 
hear it even with the power at zero.

Regarding difficulty in making contact(s)on 80, what are you using for 
an antenna?  How are you feeding power to it?

73,

Fred ("Skip") K6DGW
Sparks NV USA
Washoe County DM09dn

On 7/21/2017 1:47 PM, Eben Bruyns wrote:
> I'm a new ham and this is my first radio...
>
> So far I've managed to make contact on 80m but it leaves a lot to be desired.
>
> While messing around I tuned a portable receiver to the same frequency
> as the kx3. I had the kx3 power set to 0 watts and keyed the mic. The
> receiver produced qrm every time I did this.
>
> Is this normal?
>


From dave.w0zf at gmail.com  Fri Jul 21 20:10:05 2017
From: dave.w0zf at gmail.com (Dave Fugleberg)
Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2017 00:10:05 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Kx3 rfi when power set to 0watt
In-Reply-To: <f7007012-5c77-5243-525f-4177c79eb64d@foothill.net>
References: <CAEPc2HetJfkD+0RAzjeDUdgfPk9pwZvxM6G_-yfovdYsLhvMew@mail.gmail.com>
	<f7007012-5c77-5243-525f-4177c79eb64d@foothill.net>
Message-ID: <CAF==Uf0maMmLNi4bhZYoj7GB9h7GXExR2mAssxCEc0zqjFuLkA@mail.gmail.com>

Welcome to ham radio, Eben!
As others have said, it's pretty normal to hear your transmitter on a
receiver that's right next to it, even with the power turned way down.
About your difficult making contacts on 80m... Your antenna system (type of
antenna, height, feedline ), mode, and time of day are all going to have a
big influence. Can you elaborate on those?
On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 5:06 PM Fred Jensen <k6dgw at foothill.net> wrote:

> Welcome to the hobby Eben! To your question first: I'm not sure what you
> mean by "produced QRM," but if you mean audio feedback [various
> squeals], yes, I'd expect that a receiver close to the KX3 is going to
> hear it even with the power at zero.
>
> Regarding difficulty in making contact(s)on 80, what are you using for
> an antenna?  How are you feeding power to it?
>
> 73,
>
> Fred ("Skip") K6DGW
> Sparks NV USA
> Washoe County DM09dn
>
> On 7/21/2017 1:47 PM, Eben Bruyns wrote:
> > I'm a new ham and this is my first radio...
> >
> > So far I've managed to make contact on 80m but it leaves a lot to be
> desired.
> >
> > While messing around I tuned a portable receiver to the same frequency
> > as the kx3. I had the kx3 power set to 0 watts and keyed the mic. The
> > receiver produced qrm every time I did this.
> >
> > Is this normal?
> >
>
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From k9ma at sdellington.us  Fri Jul 21 20:48:33 2017
From: k9ma at sdellington.us (K9MA)
Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2017 19:48:33 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 and N1MM
In-Reply-To: <fe0ba7f4-da8a-831c-afb5-fc867205f2a2@embarqmail.com>
References: <3D7FA86F5A3447E79579AC94A39F9E6D@MININTMC1HLDC>
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I was able to get N1MM to work with the KX3 selection with my Windows 7 
desktop, but not with my older Windows 7 netbook.  That's still a 
mystery.  The KX2 utility worked fine on the netbook, but N1MM wouldn't 
communicate with the KX2 at all.

73,

Scott  K9MA


On 7/20/2017 12:09, Don Wilhelm wrote:
> Ronnie,
>
> Select the KX3 or if that is not present, select K3.
> Note, no hyphens in Elecraft model numbers, it is "KX2" and not "KX-2".
>
> Perhaps N1MM will offer a specific KX2 selection in the future. That 
> is not something that Elecraft can add.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 7/20/2017 1:04 PM, w5sum at comcast.net wrote:
>> I decided to purchase a small laptop to use on vacation with my KX2 
>> for both logging and rig control. I like N1MM and discovered this 
>> morning that the KX-2 is not in the selections of Elecraft products 
>> within n1mm
>>
>> why is this? I can use just about any program for logging, but what 
>> program out there will actually run the KX-2?
>>
>> hep me out here folks
>>
>> Ronnie
>> W5SUM
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From ktalbott at gamewood.net  Fri Jul 21 20:53:49 2017
From: ktalbott at gamewood.net (ktalbott)
Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2017 20:53:49 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Bioennopower LiFePO4 teardown?
Message-ID: <20170721175353.58FB4BE7@m0116952.ppops.net>

TNX, nice to know!


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-------- Original message --------From: James Bennett <w6jhb at me.com> Date: 7/21/17  12:23 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: Detrick Merz <detrick at merzhaus.org> Cc: Elecraft Reflector Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT: Bioennopower LiFePO4 teardown? 
There are two sets of cables so that the user has the option of using either Power Poles, or their 110-220 volt charger. I asked them about the cables and was told they are simply connected in parallel. You can use which ever is convenient for you.

Jim Bennett / W6JHB
Folsom, CA






> On Jul 21, 2017, at 8:59 AM, Detrick Merz <detrick at merzhaus.org> wrote:
> 
> Has anyone disassembled a Bioennopower LiFePO4 pack yet? I recently asked
> them if it was possible to charge via the power pole connector instead of
> the normal charge port, and they said, "Yes, that's fine."
> 
> This left me curious: why the second port for charging? How are the cables
> connected inside?
> 
> -detrick
> KI4STU
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From n6kr at elecraft.com  Fri Jul 21 22:35:34 2017
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2017 19:35:34 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] UV Discoloration of KXPD2
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Hi Luke,

This is normal. It has no effect on functionality. 

When the 3D printing vendor we use said the plastic would gradually acquire a honey-blonde hue when exposed to sunlight, I thought:  Cool... we'll be able to tell who's really using their rigs outdoors :)  Maybe not yet in your case; still, I welcome you to the Order of the Golden Paddle.

I'd be interested in tapping your expertise if we use such materials in the future. 

72,
Wayne
N6KR


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> On Jul 21, 2017, at 6:42 AM, Luke via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
> 
> I had my KX2 sitting near a window for a couple of weeks and then noticed my KXPD2 had discolored quite a bit from the UV. Has anyone else experienced this? I'm a Product Test Technician for a company that deals primarily with molded plastics, and UV degradation is a problem we see frequently, but can be reduced through various methods (base material change, coatings, additives, etc). I could be wrong but it appears the KXPD2 is 3D printed? If so, perhaps a different variety/color of resin might reduce the amount of fading/yellowing due to sunlight. I think a black KXPD2 would look pretty sharp... ;-)
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Luke
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From z_kevino at hotmail.com  Fri Jul 21 23:00:46 2017
From: z_kevino at hotmail.com (kevino z)
Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2017 03:00:46 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] UV Discoloration of KXPD2
In-Reply-To: <005F5874-D7FE-4195-8C13-5BC986C5B71F@elecraft.com>
References: <1913951579.2454744.1500644549489.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<1913951579.2454744.1500644549489@mail.yahoo.com>,
	<005F5874-D7FE-4195-8C13-5BC986C5B71F@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <BN6PR15MB1425471E11467422C79B2B3AFAA50@BN6PR15MB1425.namprd15.prod.outlook.com>

What would be very cool, Wayne, is for you to release the STL files so folks could buy the guys from you, but 3D print their own in the color they like, out of ABS or another material.
-Kevin (KK4YEL)

No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However, a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced !

On Jul 21, 2017, at 22:37, Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com<mailto:n6kr at elecraft.com>> wrote:

Hi Luke,

This is normal. It has no effect on functionality.

When the 3D printing vendor we use said the plastic would gradually acquire a honey-blonde hue when exposed to sunlight, I thought:  Cool... we'll be able to tell who's really using their rigs outdoors :)  Maybe not yet in your case; still, I welcome you to the Order of the Golden Paddle.

I'd be interested in tapping your expertise if we use such materials in the future.

72,
Wayne
N6KR


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On Jul 21, 2017, at 6:42 AM, Luke via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net<mailto:elecraft at mailman.qth.net>> wrote:

I had my KX2 sitting near a window for a couple of weeks and then noticed my KXPD2 had discolored quite a bit from the UV. Has anyone else experienced this? I'm a Product Test Technician for a company that deals primarily with molded plastics, and UV degradation is a problem we see frequently, but can be reduced through various methods (base material change, coatings, additives, etc). I could be wrong but it appears the KXPD2 is 3D printed? If so, perhaps a different variety/color of resin might reduce the amount of fading/yellowing due to sunlight. I think a black KXPD2 would look pretty sharp... ;-)

Thanks!

Luke
AD0KI
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From neilz at techie.com  Sat Jul 22 01:03:51 2017
From: neilz at techie.com (Neil Zampella)
Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2017 01:03:51 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Trying to get on FT-8 with my KX2
In-Reply-To: <597200AF.9080701@comcast.net>
References: <1d766a43-eb26-5c01-c444-a540a3b250f2@hvc.rr.com>
	<BN6PR15MB14254D5902F4A59C75B299FDFAA40@BN6PR15MB1425.namprd15.prod.outlook.com>
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Actually, the rig control when using the KXUSB cable provides frequency 
changes, as well as PTT  and split control.

As far as the 'blank frequency list' .. all you need to do is RIGHT 
CLICK in the frequency, and select RESET from the menu, the program will 
then populate the list.   When using WSJT-X and JT-Alert it logs to most 
every local logging program like DXKeeper, or Log4OM, or online like eQSL.

FWIW why do you need to use a 'virtual' port with the K3 ??

Neil, KN3ILZ


On 7/21/2017 9:25 AM, brian wrote:
> Rig control with WSJT is over rated. The only functionality I am aware 
> of is one click band change.  I suppose if you uses its logging 
> capability, it would put the freq in there.   However, the frequency 
> is the same for all QSO's within a band.
>
> The present release for FT8 only has a blank frequency list.
> So one doesn't even get that functionality.
>
> I never got WSJT to work over a LPBRIDGE virtual port with the K3.  It 
> only works via a direct connect port.  WSPR has the same problem.
> So I do without the above and manually log QSO's in the logging 
> program window.  With JT65 that was fine.  The higher QSO rate with 
> FT8 makes this more of a pain.
>
> The above simply reflects my experience.  I'd be happy to hear about 
> workarounds others have found.
>
> 73 de Brian/K3KO
>


From neilz at techie.com  Sat Jul 22 01:08:38 2017
From: neilz at techie.com (Neil Zampella)
Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2017 01:08:38 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Trying to get on FT-8 with my KX2
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References: <CAJ-xeHkHK8MhtyV2QfH9OpgG35qnEuWf3N5av7NZ8pDDxvQOvw@mail.gmail.com>
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Tom,

You do not 'set up' auto sequencing and standard messages, the program 
does that.   All you need to do is enter your Callsign and GRID in the 
settings for the program.   You also need to make sure that you have a 
good time sync program as time is critical with JT65/JT9 and MOST 
critical with FT8.

A program like Dimension 4 will sync against the Bureau of Standards 
time server, or other servers that may be closer to you.    I use the 
Naval Observatory time server myself to sync my laptop every 10 minutes.

Neil, KN3ILZ.


On 7/21/2017 2:43 PM, Tommy wrote:
> Hi Rich and gang,
>
>    I'm FINALLY making some progress here. I hooked up the KXUSB to the 
> ACC. port on the KX2 and the speaker cable from the Signalink to the 
> phone jack on the KX2 and I'm now seeing and decoding signals. I'm 
> seeing my monitor data on PSKreporter as well. Hitting "tune" in WSJT 
> keys the rig. Haven't tried sending a CW yet as I'm now trying to 
> figure out how to set up the auto respond/generate std msgs. feature. 
> The wide graph doesn't look right to me, looks "nasty". I see faint 
> WIDE signals through horizontal lines from top to bottom.
>
> Tom - KB2SMS
>
>


From tommy58 at hvc.rr.com  Sat Jul 22 06:14:14 2017
From: tommy58 at hvc.rr.com (Tommy)
Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2017 06:14:14 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Trying to get on FT-8 with my KX2
In-Reply-To: <7fa17f21-defc-7398-5bfe-13b4b677110d@techie.com>
References: <CAJ-xeHkHK8MhtyV2QfH9OpgG35qnEuWf3N5av7NZ8pDDxvQOvw@mail.gmail.com>
	<95c0e843-fca0-b754-cbce-c7e3dbdff385@hvc.rr.com>
	<7fa17f21-defc-7398-5bfe-13b4b677110d@techie.com>
Message-ID: <12377fe6-e844-631d-3b1a-ff098987d65e@hvc.rr.com>

Hi Neil,

    Thanks for the info. I do have Dimension 4.


On 07/22/2017 01:08 AM, Neil Zampella wrote:
> Tom,
>
> You do not 'set up' auto sequencing and standard messages, the program 
> does that.   All you need to do is enter your Callsign and GRID in the 
> settings for the program.   You also need to make sure that you have a 
> good time sync program as time is critical with JT65/JT9 and MOST 
> critical with FT8.
>
> A program like Dimension 4 will sync against the Bureau of Standards 
> time server, or other servers that may be closer to you.    I use the 
> Naval Observatory time server myself to sync my laptop every 10 minutes.
>
> Neil, KN3ILZ.
>
>
> On 7/21/2017 2:43 PM, Tommy wrote:
>> Hi Rich and gang,
>>
>>    I'm FINALLY making some progress here. I hooked up the KXUSB to 
>> the ACC. port on the KX2 and the speaker cable from the Signalink to 
>> the phone jack on the KX2 and I'm now seeing and decoding signals. 
>> I'm seeing my monitor data on PSKreporter as well. Hitting "tune" in 
>> WSJT keys the rig. Haven't tried sending a CW yet as I'm now trying 
>> to figure out how to set up the auto respond/generate std msgs. 
>> feature. The wide graph doesn't look right to me, looks "nasty". I 
>> see faint WIDE signals through horizontal lines from top to bottom.
>>
>> Tom - KB2SMS
>>
>>
>
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From kd6qzx at sbcglobal.net  Sat Jul 22 10:20:32 2017
From: kd6qzx at sbcglobal.net (KD6QZX)
Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2017 07:20:32 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Bioennopower LiFePO4 teardown?
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Det Rick call and talk to Eric he will give you all of the answers you may have questions of.   He is a stand up guy and local business man.    I have charged using either port, the need is about 14.2v for a good charge and low amps.   Their charger works great and has APP on it.    Scott AK6Q 

> On Jul 21, 2017, at 09:01, Detrick Merz [via Elecraft] <ml+s365791n7632604h58 at n2.nabble.com> wrote:
> 
> Has anyone disassembled a Bioennopower LiFePO4 pack yet? I recently asked 
> them if it was possible to charge via the power pole connector instead of 
> the normal charge port, and they said, "Yes, that's fine." 
> 
> This left me curious: why the second port for charging? How are the cables 
> connected inside? 
> 
> -detrick 
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From N9KY at arrl.net  Sat Jul 22 10:29:57 2017
From: N9KY at arrl.net (Chuck Milam, N9KY)
Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2017 09:29:57 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] FS: KXFL3 Internal Dual-Passband Roofing Filter
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The KXFL3 is no longer available.  Thanks for your interest.

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On Wed, Jul 19, 2017 at 8:19 PM, Chuck Milam, N9KY <N9KY at arrl.net> wrote:

> I have a KXFL3 Internal Dual-Passband Roofing Filter that is excess to my
> needs.
>
> I ordered the KXFL3 without realizing my recently-acquired KX3 already had
> the filter installed.  I only opened KXFL3  package to view the
> instructions, and then follow them just long enough to realize I already
> had the KXFL3 filter.  The KXFL3 antistatic bag remains sealed as shipped
> from Elecraft.
>
> My mistake is your gain.  I'm asking $125 (new price is $149.95), shipping
> via USPS flat rate box is on me, PayPal preferred.  Contact me at the email
> below.
>
> 73,
>
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From KA9EAK at gmail.com  Sat Jul 22 11:00:31 2017
From: KA9EAK at gmail.com (KA9EAK)
Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2017 08:00:31 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] Trying to get on FT-8 with my KX2
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Tom:

I just recently got FT8 going with my KX2. I also have a SignaLink USB but
chose not to haul it along for portable operation. I purchased a $6.49 USB
soundcard and it works great! If you are looking for a more portable
alternative I have the details of my configuration posted on my blog: 
https://outbackofbeyond.wordpress.com/2017/07/21/fasten-your-seat-belts-for-ft8-camp/
<https://outbackofbeyond.wordpress.com/2017/07/21/fasten-your-seat-belts-for-ft8-camp/>  

73,

Tim
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From tommy58 at hvc.rr.com  Sat Jul 22 12:18:40 2017
From: tommy58 at hvc.rr.com (Tommy)
Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2017 12:18:40 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Trying to get on FT-8 with my KX2
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Hi Tim,

     Thanks for responding! I keep getting a "rig control error, do you 
want to reconfigure the radio interface?" when I key the radio. I've 
tried seemingly everything so far to no avail.  I have the 2 signalink 
cables in the right ports and no matter what options I try in rig 
control I get the error. I HAVE ordered one of those USB sound cards but 
this signalink should work. I AM receiving signals and decoding them. 
Are you using the KXUSB with your set up and if so, whick port on the 
KX2 is it in? Right now I've got mine in the acc. jack. Like I said, I'm 
trying everything with no luck.

Tom - KB2SMS


On 07/22/2017 11:00 AM, KA9EAK wrote:
> Tom:
>
> I just recently got FT8 going with my KX2. I also have a SignaLink USB but
> chose not to haul it along for portable operation. I purchased a $6.49 USB
> soundcard and it works great! If you are looking for a more portable
> alternative I have the details of my configuration posted on my blog:
> https://outbackofbeyond.wordpress.com/2017/07/21/fasten-your-seat-belts-for-ft8-camp/
> <https://outbackofbeyond.wordpress.com/2017/07/21/fasten-your-seat-belts-for-ft8-camp/>
>
> 73,
>
> Tim
> KA9EAK
> https://outbackofbeyond.wordpress.com/
> <https://outbackofbeyond.wordpress.com/>
>
>
>
>
>
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> View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Trying-to-get-on-FT-8-with-my-KX2-tp7632589p7632631.html
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From KA9EAK at gmail.com  Sat Jul 22 13:09:47 2017
From: KA9EAK at gmail.com (KA9EAK)
Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2017 10:09:47 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] Trying to get on FT-8 with my KX2
In-Reply-To: <26b10f00-97fd-79da-3c0f-54166dc1c7aa@hvc.rr.com>
References: <1d766a43-eb26-5c01-c444-a540a3b250f2@hvc.rr.com>
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Tom:

Yes, I am using the KX2 USB cable and it shows up on COM7 in my PC and yes,
the 3.5mm plug is in the ACC jack on the radio.

I was re-reading the thread and noticed that earlier in the thread KN3ILZ
outlined the steps to configure. Your response of only USB in the Serial
Port drop-down indicates that WSJT-X doesn't see the KX2 USB cable. I had
this happen to me until I realized that I still had the KX2 utility app
running. It had the com port. Once I shut that down the com port was freed
and COM7 showed up in the Serial Port drop-down in WSJT-X. Is the KX2
utility app still running on your PC?

On the File\Settings\Radio tab I have selected the rig as Elecraft K3/KX3
the serial port as COM7 and my PTT Method is CAT, not VOX.

As KN3ILZ said, click the Test CAT button and if it turns green it's
configured properly.

I have the jumpers and cables for the SignaLink USB to KX2 as well. I've
just never used them. If this hasn't solved the problem I can try it out
with my SignaLink USB when I get home.

73,

Tim
KA9EAK





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From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Sat Jul 22 13:26:44 2017
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2017 12:26:44 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Trying to get on FT-8 with my KX2
In-Reply-To: <26b10f00-97fd-79da-3c0f-54166dc1c7aa@hvc.rr.com>
References: <1d766a43-eb26-5c01-c444-a540a3b250f2@hvc.rr.com>
	<CAJ-xeHkHK8MhtyV2QfH9OpgG35qnEuWf3N5av7NZ8pDDxvQOvw@mail.gmail.com>
	<95c0e843-fca0-b754-cbce-c7e3dbdff385@hvc.rr.com>
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Message-ID: <b83fbf90-41cd-3425-6d98-05158b2a9dec@blomand.net>

The SignaLink is only handling audio.  You need a separate cable between 
the radio and computer for CAT control.

73

Bob, K4TAX


On 7/22/2017 11:18 AM, Tommy wrote:
> Hi Tim,
>
>     Thanks for responding! I keep getting a "rig control error, do you 
> want to reconfigure the radio interface?" when I key the radio. I've 
> tried seemingly everything so far to no avail.  I have the 2 signalink 
> cables in the right ports and no matter what options I try in rig 
> control I get the error. I HAVE ordered one of those USB sound cards 
> but this signalink should work. I AM receiving signals and decoding 
> them. Are you using the KXUSB with your set up and if so, whick port 
> on the KX2 is it in? Right now I've got mine in the acc. jack. Like I 
> said, I'm trying everything with no luck.
>
> Tom - KB2SMS
>
>
> On 07/22/2017 11:00 AM, KA9EAK wrote:
>> Tom:
>>
>> I just recently got FT8 going with my KX2. I also have a SignaLink 
>> USB but
>> chose not to haul it along for portable operation. I purchased a 
>> $6.49 USB
>> soundcard and it works great! If you are looking for a more portable
>> alternative I have the details of my configuration posted on my blog:
>> https://outbackofbeyond.wordpress.com/2017/07/21/fasten-your-seat-belts-for-ft8-camp/ 
>>
>> <https://outbackofbeyond.wordpress.com/2017/07/21/fasten-your-seat-belts-for-ft8-camp/> 
>>
>>
>> 73,
>>
>> Tim
>> KA9EAK
>> https://outbackofbeyond.wordpress.com/
>> <https://outbackofbeyond.wordpress.com/>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -- 
>> View this message in context: 
>> http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Trying-to-get-on-FT-8-with-my-KX2-tp7632589p7632631.html
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From tommy58 at hvc.rr.com  Sat Jul 22 13:42:22 2017
From: tommy58 at hvc.rr.com (Tommy)
Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2017 13:42:22 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Trying to get on FT-8 with my KX2
In-Reply-To: <b83fbf90-41cd-3425-6d98-05158b2a9dec@blomand.net>
References: <1d766a43-eb26-5c01-c444-a540a3b250f2@hvc.rr.com>
	<CAJ-xeHkHK8MhtyV2QfH9OpgG35qnEuWf3N5av7NZ8pDDxvQOvw@mail.gmail.com>
	<95c0e843-fca0-b754-cbce-c7e3dbdff385@hvc.rr.com>
	<7fa17f21-defc-7398-5bfe-13b4b677110d@techie.com>
	<12377fe6-e844-631d-3b1a-ff098987d65e@hvc.rr.com>
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	<26b10f00-97fd-79da-3c0f-54166dc1c7aa@hvc.rr.com>
	<b83fbf90-41cd-3425-6d98-05158b2a9dec@blomand.net>
Message-ID: <2f086179-e245-4db7-0dac-1dd6b9c843ef@hvc.rr.com>

Bob,

    I have the appropriate cables for the Signalink to radio. Everything 
is hooked up per instructions. I've even got my KXUSB cable connected 
and I'm only able to receive and decode. Transmitting is now my problem.

SO frustrating.

Tom


On 07/22/2017 01:26 PM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote:
> The SignaLink is only handling audio.  You need a separate cable 
> between the radio and computer for CAT control.
>
> 73
>
> Bob, K4TAX
>
>
> On 7/22/2017 11:18 AM, Tommy wrote:
>> Hi Tim,
>>
>>     Thanks for responding! I keep getting a "rig control error, do 
>> you want to reconfigure the radio interface?" when I key the radio. 
>> I've tried seemingly everything so far to no avail.  I have the 2 
>> signalink cables in the right ports and no matter what options I try 
>> in rig control I get the error. I HAVE ordered one of those USB sound 
>> cards but this signalink should work. I AM receiving signals and 
>> decoding them. Are you using the KXUSB with your set up and if so, 
>> whick port on the KX2 is it in? Right now I've got mine in the acc. 
>> jack. Like I said, I'm trying everything with no luck.
>>
>> Tom - KB2SMS
>>
>>
>> On 07/22/2017 11:00 AM, KA9EAK wrote:
>>> Tom:
>>>
>>> I just recently got FT8 going with my KX2. I also have a SignaLink 
>>> USB but
>>> chose not to haul it along for portable operation. I purchased a 
>>> $6.49 USB
>>> soundcard and it works great! If you are looking for a more portable
>>> alternative I have the details of my configuration posted on my blog:
>>> https://outbackofbeyond.wordpress.com/2017/07/21/fasten-your-seat-belts-for-ft8-camp/ 
>>>
>>> <https://outbackofbeyond.wordpress.com/2017/07/21/fasten-your-seat-belts-for-ft8-camp/> 
>>>
>>>
>>> 73,
>>>
>>> Tim
>>> KA9EAK
>>> https://outbackofbeyond.wordpress.com/
>>> <https://outbackofbeyond.wordpress.com/>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> View this message in context: 
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From tommy58 at hvc.rr.com  Sat Jul 22 13:44:01 2017
From: tommy58 at hvc.rr.com (Tommy)
Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2017 13:44:01 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Trying to get on FT-8 with my KX2
In-Reply-To: <1500743387585-7632633.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1d766a43-eb26-5c01-c444-a540a3b250f2@hvc.rr.com>
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Tim,

   My KX2 utility is not running. I unplugged the signalink USB cable 
and replugged it in and the "Test cat" turns green. However, when I hit 
that button it turns white then after a few seconds turns green again 
but the radio does NOT key.

In my device manager I see a com3 and this shows up in WSJT-X but when 
selected it still doesn't work.

This is insane. I'm receiving and decoding fine now, it's just the 
transmit now that's my problem.


Tom



On 07/22/2017 01:09 PM, KA9EAK wrote:
> Tom:
>
> Yes, I am using the KX2 USB cable and it shows up on COM7 in my PC and yes,
> the 3.5mm plug is in the ACC jack on the radio.
>
> I was re-reading the thread and noticed that earlier in the thread KN3ILZ
> outlined the steps to configure. Your response of only USB in the Serial
> Port drop-down indicates that WSJT-X doesn't see the KX2 USB cable. I had
> this happen to me until I realized that I still had the KX2 utility app
> running. It had the com port. Once I shut that down the com port was freed
> and COM7 showed up in the Serial Port drop-down in WSJT-X. Is the KX2
> utility app still running on your PC?
>
> On the File\Settings\Radio tab I have selected the rig as Elecraft K3/KX3
> the serial port as COM7 and my PTT Method is CAT, not VOX.
>
> As KN3ILZ said, click the Test CAT button and if it turns green it's
> configured properly.
>
> I have the jumpers and cables for the SignaLink USB to KX2 as well. I've
> just never used them. If this hasn't solved the problem I can try it out
> with my SignaLink USB when I get home.
>
> 73,
>
> Tim
> KA9EAK
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Trying-to-get-on-FT-8-with-my-KX2-tp7632589p7632633.html
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From pa0pje at xs4all.nl  Sat Jul 22 14:01:12 2017
From: pa0pje at xs4all.nl (Peter Eijlander (PA0PJE))
Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2017 20:01:12 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] Kx3 rfi when power set to 0watt
In-Reply-To: <CAEPc2HetJfkD+0RAzjeDUdgfPk9pwZvxM6G_-yfovdYsLhvMew@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <7ff77d65-de1c-87b1-0f83-74dae7eadb0d@xs4all.nl>

Hi Eben,

Welcome to "Radio-land"

If that is normal is not for me to decide but...

I actually measured the power level of my KX3 in CW with 0.0 watt as set 
level.

It varies from band to band. On 50 MHz I found -18 dBm and on the HF 
bands between -20 and -30 dBm.

On 14 MHz I found -23 dBm as carrier level and the noise over the range 
from 3 to 18 MHz -50 dBm, dropping rapidly to -80 dBm on 20 MHz and above.

-23 dBm = 0.005 mW or in "S-units" S9+50 dB. Enough to drive a sensitive 
receiver nuts in close proximity. A good dummmy load to terminate the 
KX3 is always a good idea when "dry-land swimming" the radio.

73,
Peter - PA0PJE


Op 2017-07-21 om 22:47 schreef Eben Bruyns:
> I'm a new ham and this is my first radio...
> 
> So far I've managed to make contact on 80m but it leaves a lot to be desired.
> 
> While messing around I tuned a portable receiver to the same frequency
> as the kx3. I had the kx3 power set to 0 watts and keyed the mic. The
> receiver produced qrm every time I did this.
> 
> Is this normal?
> 

From ka9eak at gmail.com  Sat Jul 22 14:02:04 2017
From: ka9eak at gmail.com (Tim Boppre)
Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2017 13:02:04 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Trying to get on FT-8 with my KX2
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Sorry, yes, I shouldn't have added in the SignaLink comment in my reply as
that's not the problem.

In the PTT Method portion of the Radio dialog box is the PTT Method set to
"CAT" instead of "VOX"?

To clarify, the Port drop-down in the PTT Method portion of the Radio
settings tab is only enabled when you select DTR or RTS.

If I select either of these and select COM7 for my KX2 cable I can
successfully "Test CAT" but "Test PTT" does not key the radio.

If I select VOX "Test CAT" will work but "Test PTT" is greyed out (not an
option.)

If I select CAT both "Test CAT" functions and "Test PTT" keys the radio.


My settings for CAT Control are:

Serial Port: COM7
Baud rate: 38400 (matches the radio)
Data bits: 8
Stop bits: 2
Handshake: None
Force Contol Lines: DTR and RTS are blank


73,

Tim
KA9EAK







On Sat, Jul 22, 2017 at 12:44 PM, Tommy <tommy58 at hvc.rr.com> wrote:

> Tim,
>
>   My KX2 utility is not running. I unplugged the signalink USB cable and
> replugged it in and the "Test cat" turns green. However, when I hit that
> button it turns white then after a few seconds turns green again but the
> radio does NOT key.
>
> In my device manager I see a com3 and this shows up in WSJT-X but when
> selected it still doesn't work.
>
> This is insane. I'm receiving and decoding fine now, it's just the
> transmit now that's my problem.
>
>
> Tom
>
>
>
>
> On 07/22/2017 01:09 PM, KA9EAK wrote:
>
>> Tom:
>>
>> Yes, I am using the KX2 USB cable and it shows up on COM7 in my PC and
>> yes,
>> the 3.5mm plug is in the ACC jack on the radio.
>>
>> I was re-reading the thread and noticed that earlier in the thread KN3ILZ
>> outlined the steps to configure. Your response of only USB in the Serial
>> Port drop-down indicates that WSJT-X doesn't see the KX2 USB cable. I had
>> this happen to me until I realized that I still had the KX2 utility app
>> running. It had the com port. Once I shut that down the com port was freed
>> and COM7 showed up in the Serial Port drop-down in WSJT-X. Is the KX2
>> utility app still running on your PC?
>>
>> On the File\Settings\Radio tab I have selected the rig as Elecraft K3/KX3
>> the serial port as COM7 and my PTT Method is CAT, not VOX.
>>
>> As KN3ILZ said, click the Test CAT button and if it turns green it's
>> configured properly.
>>
>> I have the jumpers and cables for the SignaLink USB to KX2 as well. I've
>> just never used them. If this hasn't solved the problem I can try it out
>> with my SignaLink USB when I get home.
>>
>> 73,
>>
>> Tim
>> KA9EAK
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabb
>> le.com/Trying-to-get-on-FT-8-with-my-KX2-tp7632589p7632633.html
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From tommy58 at hvc.rr.com  Sat Jul 22 14:30:48 2017
From: tommy58 at hvc.rr.com (Tommy)
Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2017 14:30:48 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Trying to get on FT-8 with my KX2
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	<95c0e843-fca0-b754-cbce-c7e3dbdff385@hvc.rr.com>
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    I have tried every way possible to this point. When I have CAT 
selected I get a green test cat button, pushing it does nothing but turn 
it white then after a few seconds it goes to green. Pushing test PTT 
keys the rig, the button turns RED and I see no signal going out of the 
radio. Choosing the VOX setting does nothing apparently. PTT is grayed 
out and the test button does nothing and stays white. My CAT controls 
are set like yours are.

ARRRRRG!

I REALLY appreciate everyone's help and patiences so far.

Tom - KB2SMS


On 07/22/2017 02:02 PM, Tim Boppre wrote:
> Sorry, yes, I shouldn't have added in the SignaLink comment in my 
> reply as that's not the problem.
>
> In the PTT Method portion of the Radio dialog box is the PTT Method 
> set to "CAT" instead of "VOX"?
>
> To clarify, the Port drop-down in the PTT Method portion of the Radio 
> settings tab is only enabled when you select DTR or RTS.
>
> If I select either of these and select COM7 for my KX2 cable I can 
> successfully "Test CAT" but "Test PTT" does not key the radio.
>
> If I select VOX "Test CAT" will work but "Test PTT" is greyed out (not 
> an option.)
>
> If I select CAT both "Test CAT" functions and "Test PTT" keys the radio.
>
>
> My settings for CAT Control are:
>
> Serial Port: COM7
> Baud rate: 38400 (matches the radio)
> Data bits: 8
> Stop bits: 2
> Handshake: None
> Force Contol Lines: DTR and RTS are blank
>
>
> 73,
>
> Tim
> KA9EAK
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Jul 22, 2017 at 12:44 PM, Tommy <tommy58 at hvc.rr.com 
> <mailto:tommy58 at hvc.rr.com>> wrote:
>
>     Tim,
>
>       My KX2 utility is not running. I unplugged the signalink USB
>     cable and replugged it in and the "Test cat" turns green. However,
>     when I hit that button it turns white then after a few seconds
>     turns green again but the radio does NOT key.
>
>     In my device manager I see a com3 and this shows up in WSJT-X but
>     when selected it still doesn't work.
>
>     This is insane. I'm receiving and decoding fine now, it's just the
>     transmit now that's my problem.
>
>
>     Tom
>
>
>
>
>     On 07/22/2017 01:09 PM, KA9EAK wrote:
>
>         Tom:
>
>         Yes, I am using the KX2 USB cable and it shows up on COM7 in
>         my PC and yes,
>         the 3.5mm plug is in the ACC jack on the radio.
>
>         I was re-reading the thread and noticed that earlier in the
>         thread KN3ILZ
>         outlined the steps to configure. Your response of only USB in
>         the Serial
>         Port drop-down indicates that WSJT-X doesn't see the KX2 USB
>         cable. I had
>         this happen to me until I realized that I still had the KX2
>         utility app
>         running. It had the com port. Once I shut that down the com
>         port was freed
>         and COM7 showed up in the Serial Port drop-down in WSJT-X. Is
>         the KX2
>         utility app still running on your PC?
>
>         On the File\Settings\Radio tab I have selected the rig as
>         Elecraft K3/KX3
>         the serial port as COM7 and my PTT Method is CAT, not VOX.
>
>         As KN3ILZ said, click the Test CAT button and if it turns
>         green it's
>         configured properly.
>
>         I have the jumpers and cables for the SignaLink USB to KX2 as
>         well. I've
>         just never used them. If this hasn't solved the problem I can
>         try it out
>         with my SignaLink USB when I get home.
>
>         73,
>
>         Tim
>         KA9EAK
>
>
>
>
>
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From KX3.1 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com  Sat Jul 22 14:38:59 2017
From: KX3.1 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com (Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT)
Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2017 11:38:59 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Trying to get on FT-8 with my KX2
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Speaking as someone who has run digital modes going back far enough to 
have used a physical teletype machine with an ST-6....

I wouldn't bother with PTT.  Sure, it seems right, but unless you're 
trying to run AMTOR (which has an extremely short TX time), I'd just run 
VOX.  It works fine.

The audio signal from the soundcard, generated by the program is the PTT.

73 -- Lynn

On 7/22/2017 11:30 AM, Tommy wrote:
>     I have tried every way possible to this point. When I have CAT 
> selected I get a green test cat button, pushing it does nothing but turn 
> it white then after a few seconds it goes to green. Pushing test PTT 
> keys the rig, the button turns RED and I see no signal going out of the 
> radio. Choosing the VOX setting does nothing apparently. PTT is grayed 
> out and the test button does nothing and stays white. My CAT controls 
> are set like yours are.

From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Sat Jul 22 15:06:42 2017
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2017 15:06:42 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Trying to get on FT-8 with my KX2
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Tom,

If the TX LED on the KX2 turns on, the KX2 is going into transmit.
Put a dummy load on the KX2 so you don't clutter up the airways.

Once you have that, the next step is to set the audio level correctly.
You have 2 controls to manipulate - the KX2 MIC GAIN and the Line Out 
setting for the soundcard in the computer.
You want to have a mid-range setting for the KX2 MIC Gain, so set that 
first, then go to the computer and make a trial adjustment of the LINE 
OUT (or Speaker) setting for the soundcard - about 50% is usually a good 
starting point.

Then use your digital mode software to do a transmit.
Look at the KX2 ALC meter - you need to adjust the audio levels so you 
have 4 bars solid on the ALC meter with the 5th bar flickering.

Once you have achieved that condition, you should be ready to transmit 
for real.  Adjust the power with the KX2 power knob.
Ignore the internet (an possibly the software instructions) to adjust 
the power level by changing the audio level.  Those instructions are for 
other transceivers, the Elecraft gear controls power differently.  Set 
the audio level correctly as indicated in the Elecraft manual and use 
the power knob to adjust the output power.

On 7/22/2017 2:30 PM, Tommy wrote:
>     I have tried every way possible to this point. When I have CAT 
> selected I get a green test cat button, pushing it does nothing but turn 
> it white then after a few seconds it goes to green. Pushing test PTT 
> keys the rig, the button turns RED and I see no signal going out of the 
> radio. Choosing the VOX setting does nothing apparently. PTT is grayed 
> out and the test button does nothing and stays white. My CAT controls 
> are set like yours are.
> 
> ARRRRRG!
> 
> I REALLY appreciate everyone's help and patiences so far.

From kevinr at coho.net  Sat Jul 22 15:10:27 2017
From: kevinr at coho.net (kevinr at coho.net)
Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2017 12:10:27 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Announcement
Message-ID: <e42c13a4-60fe-3ab1-1690-70b6cc8d984e@coho.net>

Good afternoon,

   I was high on a ladder scraping my house and birding by ear when I 
began musing how listening is a learned skill.  Perceiving the 
difference between a veery's call and that of a crow or a pileated 
woodpecker is simple; determining which species of finch is a far 
different matter.

The hours spent on my brother's Lafayette receiver learning how to hear 
the weak ones during fading, lightning crashes, and random noises taught 
me to listen thoroughly and over a period of time to discern the 
patterns.  Teaching trained me to parse a student's halting question so 
I could craft an answer to help the class.  Taking notes during a Nobel 
laureate's lecture on creating a Bose-Einstein condensate from his 
collection of rubidium atoms allowed me to ask pertinent questions 
afterward.

Truly hearing the facts from a seriously frightened victim during an 
emergency helped me call in the best and quickest assistance.  However, 
asking a seemingly simple question of my wife and receiving a totally 
orthogonal answer is something no training will assist :)

Please join us tomorrow on:
    14050 kHz at 2200z Sunday (3 PM PDT Sunday)
     7045 kHz at 0000z Monday (5 PM PDT Sunday)

     73,
         Kevin. KD5ONS

-


From mark.tetlow at gmail.com  Sat Jul 22 15:59:05 2017
From: mark.tetlow at gmail.com (Mark Tetlow)
Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2017 12:59:05 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Band Memory Erase
Message-ID: <1500753545451-7632643.post@n2.nabble.com>

I entered a frequency (25.000mhz) for a quick jump and it now appears when I
step through the bands. Is there a way to erase this?




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From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Sat Jul 22 16:17:03 2017
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2017 16:17:03 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Band Memory Erase
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Mark,

It is most likely coming up when you try to select the 12 meter band - 
because that one is closest to 25.000MHz.  Verify that band is 12 meters 
first.
Then do a Direct Frequency Entry to anywhere within that band.
After that, all should be well.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 7/22/2017 3:59 PM, Mark Tetlow wrote:
> I entered a frequency (25.000mhz) for a quick jump and it now appears when I
> step through the bands. Is there a way to erase this?

From tommy58 at hvc.rr.com  Sat Jul 22 16:24:15 2017
From: tommy58 at hvc.rr.com (Tommy)
Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2017 16:24:15 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Trying to get on FT-8 with my KX2
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On 07/22/2017 03:06 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
> Tom,
>
> If the TX LED on the KX2 turns on, the KX2 is going into transmit.
> Put a dummy load on the KX2 so you don't clutter up the airways.

       Dummy load being used.

> Once you have that, the next step is to set the audio level correctly.
> You have 2 controls to manipulate - the KX2 MIC GAIN and the Line Out 
> setting for the soundcard in the computer.
> You want to have a mid-range setting for the KX2 MIC Gain, so set that 
> first, then go to the computer and make a trial adjustment of the LINE 
> OUT (or Speaker) setting for the soundcard - about 50% is usually a 
> good starting point.

         Already done.


> Then use your digital mode software to do a transmit.
> Look at the KX2 ALC meter - you need to adjust the audio levels so you 
> have 4 bars solid on the ALC meter with the 5th bar flickering.

  While in transmit there is NO SIGNAL leaving the radio. NO power bars 
show. Turning the mic gain does nothing.


Tom


>
> On 7/22/2017 2:30 PM, Tommy wrote:
>>     I have tried every way possible to this point. When I have CAT 
>> selected I get a green test cat button, pushing it does nothing but 
>> turn it white then after a few seconds it goes to green. Pushing test 
>> PTT keys the rig, the button turns RED and I see no signal going out 
>> of the radio. Choosing the VOX setting does nothing apparently. PTT 
>> is grayed out and the test button does nothing and stays white. My 
>> CAT controls are set like yours are.
>>
>> ARRRRRG!
>>
>> I REALLY appreciate everyone's help and patiences so far.
>


From neilz at techie.com  Sat Jul 22 16:38:33 2017
From: neilz at techie.com (Neil Zampella)
Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2017 16:38:33 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Trying to get on FT-8 with my KX2
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OK ... see below


On 7/22/2017 2:02 PM, Tim Boppre wrote:
> Sorry, yes, I shouldn't have added in the SignaLink comment in my reply as
> that's not the problem.
>
> In the PTT Method portion of the Radio dialog box is the PTT Method set to
> "CAT" instead of "VOX"?

Good ..


>
> To clarify, the Port drop-down in the PTT Method portion of the Radio
> settings tab is only enabled when you select DTR or RTS.
>
> If I select either of these and select COM7 for my KX2 cable I can
> successfully "Test CAT" but "Test PTT" does not key the radio.
>
> If I select VOX "Test CAT" will work but "Test PTT" is greyed out (not an
> option.)
>
> If I select CAT both "Test CAT" functions and "Test PTT" keys the radio.

Since you're getting a GREEN cat button when you click on Test CAT, the 
Computer is connected to the rig properly.    Since you're getting a RED 
button on the Test PTT, you're good to go.

Make sure that the MODE is setup in WSJT-X as Data/PKT, as for split, 
set it to RIG, this works great.

> My settings for CAT Control are:
>
> Serial Port: COM7
> Baud rate: 38400 (matches the radio)
> Data bits: 8
> Stop bits: 2
> Handshake: None
> Force Contol Lines: DTR and RTS are blank
>

Settings are good or you wouldn't get the GREEN button.

Now you say you're not transmitting.   What is the MIC setting on the 
rig?? If you're using the Signalink to control the audio to the RIG, you 
should have the MIC set up around 20 to 25 for now.    The WINDOWS 
speaker setting for the Signalink should be at 100%, again since you're 
controlling the audio to the rig via the signalink. You should then set 
the Tx POWER out on the KX2 to what you want to use.   Unlike other 
radios, the KX-series (and I believe the K series) Tx power out is set 
on the rig.

FInally, you want to bring up your ALC meter.   Then find an empty 
frequency, then click the tune button on WSJT-X.  Now adjust the audio 
TO THE RIG so that 4 SOLID bars are appearing on the ALC meter.   You 
can have a flickery 5th bar, but I don't.

Hope this helps.

Neil, KN3ILZ

From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Sat Jul 22 17:03:55 2017
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2017 17:03:55 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Trying to get on FT-8 with my KX2
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Tom,

Sorry you are having so much trouble.
There is likely something that you are not relating to us because you 
have not discovered it yet.

Do you have the KX2 set to DATA A mode?  PSK D and FSK D do not respond 
to audio input.

Do you have the jumpers in the SignaLink set correctly?  See the 
SignaLink software CD or contact their Technical Support folks.

Are you still using the Signalink or did you switch to an external USB 
soundcard.
If the Signalink, set the TX gain control on it to about mid-scale and 
try again.
There is a setting for the soundcard output level for the Signalink in 
your computer as well.

Do you have an audio amplifier of some sort?  Like an amp for an MP3 
Player? or amplified computer speakers? or headphones?  If so, connect 
it to the Signalink rear panel "Monitor" jack to see if you hear audio.  
If no audio there, you will have to work with the Signalink and computer 
until you obtain audio.  Remember that the Signalink is a one channel 
soundcard - only the left channel will have audio.  Once you have audio 
out of the SignaLink, you should be able to obtain an indication on the 
ALC meter.  But take things one step at a time.

You might simplify the problem by switching to a plain USB external 
soundcard.

If your KX2 works with a microphone, I the KX2 should also work with 
audio from the soundcard.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 7/22/2017 4:24 PM, Tommy wrote:
>
>> Then use your digital mode software to do a transmit.
>> Look at the KX2 ALC meter - you need to adjust the audio levels so 
>> you have 4 bars solid on the ALC meter with the 5th bar flickering.
>
>  While in transmit there is NO SIGNAL leaving the radio. NO power bars 
> show. Turning the mic gain does nothing.


From frantz at pwpconsult.com  Sat Jul 22 17:15:01 2017
From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz)
Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2017 14:15:01 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Trying to get on FT-8 with my KX2
In-Reply-To: <89e6d22e-61d1-1345-c889-fb156566ebd4@techie.com>
Message-ID: <r470Ps-10125i-37141E06EFCA43B781354D9B778C8241@Williams-MacBook-Pro.local>

If Tommy is using a SignaLink, he will also have to set the 
transmit and receive level pots on the SignaLink. I have always 
set mine fully clockwise -- full on.

73 Bill AE6JV

On 7/22/17 at 1:38 PM, neilz at techie.com (Neil Zampella) wrote:

>Now you say you're not transmitting.   What is the MIC setting 
>on the rig?? If you're using the Signalink to control the audio 
>to the RIG, you should have the MIC set up around 20 to 25 for 
>now.    The WINDOWS speaker setting for the Signalink should be 
>at 100%, again since you're controlling the audio to the rig 
>via the signalink. You should then set the Tx POWER out on the 
>KX2 to what you want to use.   Unlike other radios, the 
>KX-series (and I believe the K series) Tx power out is set on 
>the rig.

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From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Sat Jul 22 17:25:11 2017
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2017 17:25:11 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Trying to get on FT-8 with my KX2
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Tim and all,

The COM7 is the port that your particular computer has assigned to the 
KXUSB cable's USB to serial adapter.  Everyone else will have to 
discover which COM port is assigned to their cable.  It should be 
briefly displayed on a Windows computer near the clock when it is 
plugged in - or look in Device Manager to see which port is assigned.
Furthermore, if the USB port that the KXUSB is plugged into changes, the 
COM port assigned can also change.

The KX2 and KXUSB cable has no connections for RTS and DTR - the only 
valid lines are RXD and TXD.  Even though the software supports PTT 
using DTR or RTS, it cannot be used with the KX2.  PTT via CAT command 
or VOX operation are the only possible methods of putting the KX2 into 
Transmit.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 7/22/2017 2:02 PM, Tim Boppre wrote:

> 
> My settings for CAT Control are:
> 
> Serial Port: COM7
> Baud rate: 38400 (matches the radio)
> Data bits: 8
> Stop bits: 2
> Handshake: None
> Force Contol Lines: DTR and RTS are blank

From mark.tetlow at gmail.com  Sat Jul 22 17:30:04 2017
From: mark.tetlow at gmail.com (Mark Tetlow)
Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2017 14:30:04 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Band Memory Erase
In-Reply-To: <3bb8429b-a218-52c4-ac4f-a8ac3b821e45@embarqmail.com>
References: <1500753545451-7632643.post@n2.nabble.com>
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Message-ID: <1500759004939-7632651.post@n2.nabble.com>

Fixed! Thx



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From dave.w0zf at gmail.com  Sat Jul 22 17:30:38 2017
From: dave.w0zf at gmail.com (Dave Fugleberg)
Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2017 21:30:38 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] W2 watt meter- multiple sensors question
Message-ID: <CAF==Uf31JDRNWYZ7k4uYeq1zU2B+CboQE7fnzJLE_v+_8mz+NQ@mail.gmail.com>

I see that the W2 can support up to 2 remote sensors, selectable from the
front panel.
Is it possible to support more (say 4 total) with some kind of external
switching arrangement?
I have a K3 with three XV series transverters (144, 222, 432). Each
transverter feeds a power amp and connects to an antenna for that band. I
currently use separate external meters at the output of each amplifier. I'd
like to replace those with a single meter that can monitor whichever band
I'm transmitting on.

From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Sat Jul 22 17:41:56 2017
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2017 17:41:56 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Trying to get on FT-8 with my KX2
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Tom,

Rather than trying to work with FT-8, you might want to initially try 
Fldigi - I think it may be easier, and if that works, then the trouble 
finger points to the software for FT-8.

Take all the information we have given you about setting audio levels - 
they should be the same (or close).

In Fldigi setup, select HamLib and in the rig box, select KX3 (or K3). 
Also select "Use Hamlib", and check the "PTT via CAT command" box.
Tell Hamlib which COM port is associated with the KXUSB.

Then in Fldigi, select PSK31.  There is a canned message to send CQ. 
Click it and the software should go to transmit.
Does the red TX LED light on the KX2?  It should.
Set the KX2 to DATA A mode.

Then make adjustments of the KX2 MIC Gain, SignaLink computer output 
soundcard slider and the TX gain control on the SignaLink box to achieve 
4 bars solid with the 5th bar flickering on the KX2 ALC meter (ignore 
the power output for now).

Once you have those settings correct, you will know that the SignaLink 
and the KX2 are capable of transmitting.

Go back to your original software and try again.  If it does not work 
with little or no change in the gain levels, either you have a bad 
software installation or there is something wrong in the software settings.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 7/22/2017 2:30 PM, Tommy wrote:
>     I have tried every way possible to this point. When I have CAT 
> selected I get a green test cat button, pushing it does nothing but turn 
> it white then after a few seconds it goes to green. Pushing test PTT 
> keys the rig, the button turns RED and I see no signal going out of the 
> radio. Choosing the VOX setting does nothing apparently. PTT is grayed 
> out and the test button does nothing and stays white. My CAT controls 
> are set like yours are.

From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Sat Jul 22 17:48:37 2017
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2017 17:48:37 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] W2 watt meter- multiple sensors question
In-Reply-To: <CAF==Uf31JDRNWYZ7k4uYeq1zU2B+CboQE7fnzJLE_v+_8mz+NQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAF==Uf31JDRNWYZ7k4uYeq1zU2B+CboQE7fnzJLE_v+_8mz+NQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2dd85f3c-7dbe-3f77-ebaf-e09078890add@embarqmail.com>

Dave,

Certainly, just find a switch that can switch all the wires of an 
Ethernet cable and you will be in business.
Of course, you would have to operate the switch manually unless you can 
come up with some scheme to operate the switch when each transverter is 
powered on.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 7/22/2017 5:30 PM, Dave Fugleberg wrote:
> I see that the W2 can support up to 2 remote sensors, selectable from the
> front panel.
> Is it possible to support more (say 4 total) with some kind of external
> switching arrangement?
> I have a K3 with three XV series transverters (144, 222, 432). Each
> transverter feeds a power amp and connects to an antenna for that band. I
> currently use separate external meters at the output of each amplifier. I'd
> like to replace those with a single meter that can monitor whichever band
> I'm transmitting on.

From ron at cobi.biz  Sat Jul 22 18:03:45 2017
From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire)
Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2017 15:03:45 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] W2 watt meter- multiple sensors question
In-Reply-To: <CAF==Uf31JDRNWYZ7k4uYeq1zU2B+CboQE7fnzJLE_v+_8mz+NQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAF==Uf31JDRNWYZ7k4uYeq1zU2B+CboQE7fnzJLE_v+_8mz+NQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000401d30336$639801e0$2ac805a0$@biz>

Yes. It just takes switching the 8-wire connection to a new sensor with
something like this:

http://www.computercableinc.com/ccinc/products.jsp?sub=Switch+Boxes+-+Manual
&id=1173

73, Ron AC7AC

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Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2017 2:31 PM
To: Elecraft List
Subject: [Elecraft] W2 watt meter- multiple sensors question

I see that the W2 can support up to 2 remote sensors, selectable from the
front panel.
Is it possible to support more (say 4 total) with some kind of external
switching arrangement?
I have a K3 with three XV series transverters (144, 222, 432). Each
transverter feeds a power amp and connects to an antenna for that band. I
currently use separate external meters at the output of each amplifier. I'd
like to replace those with a single meter that can monitor whichever band
I'm transmitting on.
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From ka9eak at gmail.com  Sat Jul 22 18:07:14 2017
From: ka9eak at gmail.com (Tim Boppre)
Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2017 17:07:14 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Trying to get on FT-8 with my KX2
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Tom:

I just hooked up my SignaLink USB and it works fine and just completed an
FT8 QSO with K7TN as a test.

The radio control settings (File\Settings\Radio tab) are the same as they
were with the USB soundcard as nothing would have caused this to change.

The audio settings did change (File\Settings\Audio tab) as the SignaLink
appears as "USB Audio CODEC" in my PC and that is what is set for input and
output.

As stated by W3FPR, I tried setting the Soundcard Output setting to "Right"
and while the rig was keyed for transmit there was no output. It works with
Left, Both, or Mono. Perhaps take a look at that setting. It's just to the
right of the Soundcard Output drop-down.

My SignaLink TX level is at about 1 o'clock and the RX level is at about 2
o'clock.

The Pwr slider on the far right of the WSJT-X display (next to the macro
section) is set to about 90%.  The Windows Audio level for the speaker is
set to 90% as well. Check them both. They aren't the same control.

The Mic Gain on the KX2 is set to 16.

Just for fun I rigged up a female-to-female 3.5mm audio jack. I plugged the
Radio output cable from the SIgnaLink (the one with the RJ45 connector)
that goes to the MIC jack on the KX2 into one jack and a pair of ear buds
in the other jack. I then set WSJT-X to transmit to check for audio output
from the PC. It worked fine. As W3FPR said earlier, it's SSB so if the rig
is keying and there isn't any output perhaps there isn't any audio coming
out of the PC and\or SignaLink. It's worth a check.

73,

Tim
KA9EAK




On Sat, Jul 22, 2017 at 4:25 PM, Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com> wrote:

> Tim and all,
>
> The COM7 is the port that your particular computer has assigned to the
> KXUSB cable's USB to serial adapter.  Everyone else will have to discover
> which COM port is assigned to their cable.  It should be briefly displayed
> on a Windows computer near the clock when it is plugged in - or look in
> Device Manager to see which port is assigned.
> Furthermore, if the USB port that the KXUSB is plugged into changes, the
> COM port assigned can also change.
>
> The KX2 and KXUSB cable has no connections for RTS and DTR - the only
> valid lines are RXD and TXD.  Even though the software supports PTT using
> DTR or RTS, it cannot be used with the KX2.  PTT via CAT command or VOX
> operation are the only possible methods of putting the KX2 into Transmit.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 7/22/2017 2:02 PM, Tim Boppre wrote:
>
>
>> My settings for CAT Control are:
>>
>> Serial Port: COM7
>> Baud rate: 38400 (matches the radio)
>> Data bits: 8
>> Stop bits: 2
>> Handshake: None
>> Force Contol Lines: DTR and RTS are blank
>>
>

From buddys70 at gmail.com  Sat Jul 22 21:28:51 2017
From: buddys70 at gmail.com (buddy s)
Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2017 20:28:51 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 SHUTTING DOWN OPERATING JT65
Message-ID: <CAHaC9R9X70sJtQ=5eiv9jsVtf1NNapm=aKxv5vF-LDVoR03dtg@mail.gmail.com>

i am using wsjt-x software for jt65 using my k3.  after operating for
approximately 2 hours today,  i answered a cq, and after 30 seconds the k3
shut down completely.  i waited a few minutes and changed antennas.  the k3
powered up, and i tried again.  same result, shutdown after 30 seconds of
transmitting.  my power is set to 30 watts, and i am using a kat500 with
both antennas.

any suggestions, any questions?

73 de
W3BS, Buddy Spiegel

From va3mw at portcredit.net  Sat Jul 22 22:17:21 2017
From: va3mw at portcredit.net (Michael Walker)
Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2017 22:17:21 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 SHUTTING DOWN OPERATING JT65
In-Reply-To: <CAHaC9R9X70sJtQ=5eiv9jsVtf1NNapm=aKxv5vF-LDVoR03dtg@mail.gmail.com>
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Hi Buddy

I can thing of 2 things.  Overheating .. not likely since usually the RF
section shut downs.

RF getting into the power supply.  Grounding might not make a difference.
RF Chokes on the power supply DC cord might help.

Oh, the 3rd thing, Is your power supply up to the task?  Might it be
failing? Throw a volt meter on it.

Mike va3mw


On Sat, Jul 22, 2017 at 9:28 PM, buddy s <buddys70 at gmail.com> wrote:

> i am using wsjt-x software for jt65 using my k3.  after operating for
> approximately 2 hours today,  i answered a cq, and after 30 seconds the k3
> shut down completely.  i waited a few minutes and changed antennas.  the k3
> powered up, and i tried again.  same result, shutdown after 30 seconds of
> transmitting.  my power is set to 30 watts, and i am using a kat500 with
> both antennas.
>
> any suggestions, any questions?
>
> 73 de
> W3BS, Buddy Spiegel
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From kg4byn at comcast.net  Sat Jul 22 23:42:59 2017
From: kg4byn at comcast.net (KG4BYN- Ben Harold)
Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2017 23:42:59 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] found k2 to buy
Message-ID: <c01850e4-ec88-ee7c-a177-ed05fc93f28e@comcast.net>

for those of you that wanted to part with you k2's thank you very much 
for your assistance.  a purchase has already been made. thank you for 
your offers.

73 - ben harold - kg4byn


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From neilz at techie.com  Sat Jul 22 23:59:40 2017
From: neilz at techie.com (Neil Zampella)
Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2017 23:59:40 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Trying to get on FT-8 with my KX2
In-Reply-To: <99e7fc58-c4b6-bd56-57cd-490a32c9e041@kth.se>
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See below ..


On 7/22/2017 5:58 PM, Bjorn Pehrson wrote:
> Neil,
>
> Two newbie questions regarding your item 3 below, the two 2.5mm cables:
>
> - My USB audio fob has 3.5mm female contacts, so I need 3.5 mm male 
> contacts in that end
>
> - Where to hook up the other ends? In the KX3 I suppose, but both the 
> mic and the phone contacts are 3.5mm females, so why 2.5mm, or was 
> that just a typo? Do you mean 3.5mm?
>

That was a typo ... its 3.5 mm, sorry ...  the Elecraft KX3-PCKT cable 
set has these : a 3.5mm stereo right-angle to straight through cable 
(green band), a 3.5mm stereo right-angle tostraight through cable (red 
band).   This is what I use.



> Thanks for clarification
>
> Bjorn, SA0BXI
>
>
> On 2017-07-21 15:14, Neil Zampella wrote:
>> Tom,
>>
>> Why are you using a Signalink ???    Its not needed for WSJT-X, and 
>> I'm not sure that its needed for any other digital mode. You can 
>> connect the KX to your computer using the steps below.
>>
>> 1.   Find yourself a good USB external soundcard that provides a 
>> 48,000 Hz DVD quality INPUT and OUTPUT.    WSJT-X requires this, you 
>> can pick one up at Amazon for less than $30, or get a good one for 
>> $70.  I'm not sure the Signalink provides that DVD quality out.
>> 2.   Use the KUSB cable for CAT control.  WSJT-X will use it for PTT 
>> and Freq control.
>> 3.   Get two 2.5mm cables for the stereo in and out and hook them up 
>> to the external soundcard.
>> 4.   Set the Windows audio in for the soundcard at 100, and use the 
>> AF knob to set the dB in to WSJT-X
>> 5.    Use the rig's PWR knob to set the output power, and then when 
>> in tx, set the MIC knob to show 4 bars of ALC
>>
>> That's it ... in WSJT-X set the rig for K3/KX3,  set the serial port 
>> as the same one that the KUSB is assigned to, baud rate at 38400, 8 
>> data bits, 2 stop bits, no handshake, PTT at CAT, Mode at Data/Pkt, 
>> Split at RIG.  Once its setup, the TEST CAT button there should turn 
>> green, you can then click the TEST PTT and it will kick the rig in.
>>
>> Hope this helps,
>>
>> Neil, KN3ILZ
>>
>>
>>
>> On 7/21/2017 8:08 AM, Tommy wrote:
>>> Hi folks,
>>>
>>>      Trying to get WSJT-X going with FT8 and my new KX2. I keep 
>>> getting a "/Hamlib error/: IO /error/ while opening connection to 
>>> rig" error. I have the right cables and jumper module in the 
>>> signalink, Radio selection is KX3 (it's supposed to work), USB and 
>>> VOX is selected and VOX is ON. 8 bits, one stop and handshake NONE. 
>>> No matter what I do I still get the error.
>>>
>>> Any ideas please? It's driving me nuts! This shouldn't be this 
>>> difficult. Any help appreciated.
>>>
>>> Tom - KB2SMS
>>>
>>>
>>
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From jwebsterlsu at gmail.com  Sun Jul 23 13:52:08 2017
From: jwebsterlsu at gmail.com (John W Webster)
Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2017 10:52:08 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft SSB Net
Message-ID: <EA8A7CF8-AB97-4F01-8763-05656CA6F687@gmail.com>

Please consider joining the weekly Elecraft users SSB Net on Sunday?s at 18:00z (UTC)
on 14.303.5 in the 20m band.

All are welcome to join in!

Eric WB9JNZ, the regular net control sent the list of last week?s check-in?s below:

Elecraft SSB Net 7-16-2017

WB9JNZ Eric IL K3 4017 Net Control

W4RKS Jim TX K3 3618

KJ4ZSI Bud FL K3 4703

KJ4ZSI Bud FL K3 4703

NC0JW Jim CO KX3 1356

N6JW John CA K3 936

N4NRW Roger SC K3 1318

W7QHD Kurt AZ K2 1538

KE7HGE Ken WA KX3 4540 QRP

W7REK Glenn AZ K3 2843

WW4JF John TN K3S 11177

WM5F Dwight ID KX3 8045 QRP

K8NU Carl OH K3S 10996

K6VWE Stan MI K3 650

KI0II Ron CO KX3 3463

N5FW Ford NM Kenwood 590

NS7P Phil OR K3 1826

WM6P Steve CA K3 8133

From tommy58 at hvc.rr.com  Sun Jul 23 14:48:25 2017
From: tommy58 at hvc.rr.com (Tommy)
Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2017 14:48:25 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] SOLVED! Re:  Trying to get on FT-8 with my KX2
Message-ID: <1493f975-520a-247a-d371-67e9110e1911@hvc.rr.com>

    List,

     I found out the problem. My Signalink was plugged into a 4 port USB 
hub and apparently it does not allow enough power to run the Signalink 
properly. As soon as I plugged it directly into the laptop it worked. 
I've made several contacts already on 20m. 10 watts is getting me almost 
clear across the U.S. Amazing.

I want to thank all of you who posted help here and those who emailed me 
privately. I really appreciate everyone's help.

Thanks again!

Tom - KB2SMS


From kc6cnn at gmail.com  Sun Jul 23 18:33:58 2017
From: kc6cnn at gmail.com (KC6CNN)
Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2017 15:33:58 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500F/KAT500F for sale
Message-ID: <1500849238286-7632662.post@n2.nabble.com>

I am selling my Factory built KPA500 amp Serial # 2217 and my factory built
KAT500 antenna tuner. 
Both work great and are clean and a non smoking shack. 
I am selling these together and do not wish to separate them. 
I am selling them for $2400

Thanks
Gerald
KC6CNN




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K3 # 6294
KX3 # 757
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From kkinderen at gmail.com  Sun Jul 23 20:19:03 2017
From: kkinderen at gmail.com (Kevin der Kinderen)
Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2017 20:19:03 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Concerning Bioenno LiFePO4 Connectors
Message-ID: <CAFA9ujsCk0_JtT1+z40R9weh0QE5bP=PFiXYeUBoMXq4CAKUUw@mail.gmail.com>

I asked Bioenno about the  use of the connectors and pointed out their site
shows the barrel is for charging and the Powerpoles are for discharging. I
was told this is not correct and that they will fix the information on
their site. They have a process to go through with their product people so
it won't happen quickly. However, they did update their FAQ section:

*LFP:  Why is there a separate DC barrel plug connector and PowerPole
Connector on my battery?  Can I charge through either connector? *

On our PVC Pack LiFePO4 batteries, there are two separate connectors.  The
first connector has a DC barrel plug and the second connector has an
Anderson Powerpole connector.  The two connectors are indeed wired in
parallel on the PCM (protection circuit module) that is integrated in every
single battery pack.  So it is perfectly okay and fine to charge through
the PowerPole connectors. Many customers requested two separate connectors
in the batteries, in order to keep the battery's charger attached to the
battery, such that the battery and charger can be stored in a portable
Go-Box.  At the same time, customers can leave the PowerPole connector
attached to the radio communications equipment, without having to
repeatedly disconnect the charger from the battery, and attach the radio
communications equipment.  However, we understand customers want to charge
through the Powerpole connectors and use various other third party
products.  We provided the two sets of connectors, simply for convenience
purposes.


The entire FAQ is found here:

https://bioennopower.com/pages/faq-lifepo4-batteries#c

73,

Kev K4VD

From dh2849 at sbcglobal.net  Sun Jul 23 20:44:01 2017
From: dh2849 at sbcglobal.net (Dale - K7DNH)
Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2017 17:44:01 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] K3/0 Mini & RRIGSET (two 1258MkII - Control & Remote) &
 Cables FOR SALE
Message-ID: <1500857041115-7632664.post@n2.nabble.com>

Everything you need - 
K3/0 Mini 
2 RRC-1258MkII units ? Control w/CW and Remote 
RRMINICBL  - Cable for K3/0-Mini to Control 1258MKII
RRMTCBL     - Cables for Remote K3 to Remote 1258MKII

$995 Incl Shipping CONUS. AK & HI at cost.

Contact:  dh2849 AT sbcglobal  DOT  net




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From k9ztv at socket.net  Mon Jul 24 11:45:43 2017
From: k9ztv at socket.net (KENT TRIMBLE)
Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2017 10:45:43 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] Re: Kx2 paddle issue
In-Reply-To: <B4FFAA69-24AA-491A-8BC1-AB740E42799A@elecraft.com>
References: <D890F3D1818F4041B609AFE668C08455@Systeem1028>
	<B4FFAA69-24AA-491A-8BC1-AB740E42799A@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <81682070-ceac-97c4-4c78-fcfdcf3bd882@socket.net>

The issue is not that the paddles don't leave the factory fully tested 
and operational, but that the stand-offs (E700348) loosen after a period 
of time from normal use.

As posted by several of us previously, the fix is simply to place a 
small dab of Loctite Blue on the threads of the two flathead screws 
(E700277) which secure the stand-offs.

Loctite Blue worked for me.  Some prefer Loctite Red.  A last resort 
would be JB Weld.

Once adjusted to the operator's taste, the KXPD2 is a very nice little 
paddle.

73,

Kent  K9ZTV



On 7/22/2017 10:30 AM, Wayne Burdick n6kr at elecraft.com [KX3] wrote:
>
> The paddles are supposed to be fully tested prior to shipping. I?ll 
> investigate on Monday.
>
> Thanks,
> Wayne
> N6KR
>


From w4sc at windstream.net  Mon Jul 24 13:05:43 2017
From: w4sc at windstream.net (w4sc)
Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2017 13:05:43 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] Re: Kx2 paddle issue
In-Reply-To: <81682070-ceac-97c4-4c78-fcfdcf3bd882@socket.net>
Message-ID: <E1E9A5FFF3CF4DD6AA487B83000EB463@z22z28>

You may want to reconsider using Loctite Red (or Blue), the highest strengths.  If you ever want to disassemble that part of the XDP2, it may take heat and excessive force to loosen.

Loctite Purple is probably more than adequate for the securing of the posts.  A tiny dab of Purple on the end of the screw threads worked great for me.

REF; http://henkeladhesivesna.com/blog/the-difference-between-red-blue-green-and-purple-threadlockers/

73 de Ben W4SC


From marklgoldberg at gmail.com  Mon Jul 24 14:09:14 2017
From: marklgoldberg at gmail.com (Mark Goldberg)
Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2017 11:09:14 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] Re: Kx2 paddle issue
In-Reply-To: <E1E9A5FFF3CF4DD6AA487B83000EB463@z22z28>
References: <81682070-ceac-97c4-4c78-fcfdcf3bd882@socket.net>
	<E1E9A5FFF3CF4DD6AA487B83000EB463@z22z28>
Message-ID: <CAKn+a3vVC_LdX6_ti=uzhOFnf6Acxoo+15v_=eJQowhQ9R1_aA@mail.gmail.com>

There are many different Loctites of each color. Exactly what has worked
for you? I have settled on Blue Loctite 243 for it's improved temperature
range, better compatibility with Stainless Steel hardware and oil
resistance.

73,

Mark
W7MLG

On Mon, Jul 24, 2017 at 10:05 AM, w4sc <w4sc at windstream.net> wrote:

> You may want to reconsider using Loctite Red (or Blue), the highest
> strengths.  If you ever want to disassemble that part of the XDP2, it may
> take heat and excessive force to loosen.
>
> Loctite Purple is probably more than adequate for the securing of the
> posts.  A tiny dab of Purple on the end of the screw threads worked great
> for me.
>
> REF; http://henkeladhesivesna.com/blog/the-difference-between-
> red-blue-green-and-purple-threadlockers/
>
> 73 de Ben W4SC
>
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From ron at cobi.biz  Mon Jul 24 15:48:42 2017
From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire)
Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2017 12:48:42 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] Re: Kx2 paddle issue
In-Reply-To: <CAKn+a3vVC_LdX6_ti=uzhOFnf6Acxoo+15v_=eJQowhQ9R1_aA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <81682070-ceac-97c4-4c78-fcfdcf3bd882@socket.net>	<E1E9A5FFF3CF4DD6AA487B83000EB463@z22z28>
	<CAKn+a3vVC_LdX6_ti=uzhOFnf6Acxoo+15v_=eJQowhQ9R1_aA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <003e01d304b5$daeb1ef0$90c15cd0$@biz>

I avoid Loctite after using it to secure a steel screw and nut holding a
plastic part. Over the next six months the plastic around the screw
disintegrated - crumbled. That was several years ago. Perhaps Loctite has
changed the formula, but I haven't succumbed to making another test.

I found that a small drop of thin (not gel) CA glue (a.k.a "superglue") on
the threads of a screw works very well, yet the screw can be removed later
if needed with little effort. The threads do not need to be coated. Just a
small amount where the screw enters the threaded section, or a small drop on
the end of the screw where it exits are all that is needed. 

73, Ron AC7AC

-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net
[mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Mark Goldberg
Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 11:09 AM
To: w4sc
Cc: Elecraft
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [KX3] Re: Kx2 paddle issue

There are many different Loctites of each color. Exactly what has worked for
you? I have settled on Blue Loctite 243 for it's improved temperature range,
better compatibility with Stainless Steel hardware and oil resistance.

73,

Mark
W7MLG

On Mon, Jul 24, 2017 at 10:05 AM, w4sc <w4sc at windstream.net> wrote:

> You may want to reconsider using Loctite Red (or Blue), the highest 
> strengths.  If you ever want to disassemble that part of the XDP2, it 
> may take heat and excessive force to loosen.
>
> Loctite Purple is probably more than adequate for the securing of the 
> posts.  A tiny dab of Purple on the end of the screw threads worked 
> great for me.
>
> REF; http://henkeladhesivesna.com/blog/the-difference-between-
> red-blue-green-and-purple-threadlockers/
>
> 73 de Ben W4SC
>
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From josh at voodoolab.com  Mon Jul 24 16:20:08 2017
From: josh at voodoolab.com (Josh Fiden)
Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2017 13:20:08 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] Re: Kx2 paddle issue
In-Reply-To: <003e01d304b5$daeb1ef0$90c15cd0$@biz>
References: <81682070-ceac-97c4-4c78-fcfdcf3bd882@socket.net>
	<E1E9A5FFF3CF4DD6AA487B83000EB463@z22z28>
	<CAKn+a3vVC_LdX6_ti=uzhOFnf6Acxoo+15v_=eJQowhQ9R1_aA@mail.gmail.com>
	<003e01d304b5$daeb1ef0$90c15cd0$@biz>
Message-ID: <845dc0c3-78f8-ba2f-4554-28fd111f2c39@voodoolab.com>

There are something like 40 different formulations of Loctite 
Threadlocker. It's a great product *if* you select the correct one for 
your application. The wrong one can be a disaster.

73,
Josh W6XU

On 7/24/2017 12:48 PM, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote:
> Perhaps Loctite has changed the formula


From mathenyr at marietta.edu  Mon Jul 24 16:30:29 2017
From: mathenyr at marietta.edu (Ralph Matheny K8RYU)
Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2017 16:30:29 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Elecraft] 1 Khz filter
Message-ID: <830284620.313865.1500928229653.JavaMail.zimbra@marietta.edu>

  Anybody got a 1 Khz filter for K3 they wanna sell??

de K8RYU


From bmckirry at myfairpoint.net  Mon Jul 24 17:15:35 2017
From: bmckirry at myfairpoint.net (Brad McKirryher N1VWD)
Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2017 17:15:35 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Kx3/KX2 carry case CS60 FS
Message-ID: <7f645101-c154-4887-e9bc-b2e10d8ad84b@myfairpoint.net>

I have a new CS60 for sale. This case was only used once and is in like 
new condition. I will ship conas for $39.00. Please reply by PM.
Thank you.
Brad    N1VWD

-- 
Bradford McKirryher N1VWD - Yesterday is history,Tomorrow is a mystery 
and Today is a gift

From KX2_KX3 at swsports.org  Mon Jul 24 17:21:46 2017
From: KX2_KX3 at swsports.org (Tom Francis, W1TEF)
Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2017 17:21:46 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] Re: Kx2 paddle issue
In-Reply-To: <81682070-ceac-97c4-4c78-fcfdcf3bd882@socket.net>
References: <D890F3D1818F4041B609AFE668C08455@Systeem1028>
	<B4FFAA69-24AA-491A-8BC1-AB740E42799A@elecraft.com>
	<81682070-ceac-97c4-4c78-fcfdcf3bd882@socket.net>
Message-ID: <301f504a-b481-2e55-0021-cc4e1c14d66b@swsports.org>

Kent and Wayne,

I have not had any success with Loc-Tite.  This is strictly an 
engineering issue - the screws are too short
to produce enough torque to hold the contact posts in place - its as 
simple as that.  Longer screws help,
but again, the length of the contact posts and small diameter of the 
screws that cause the problem.

I've gone through three of these paddles and finally gave up - its a 
terrible design and based on others that
have posted here and some friends who have experienced the same 
problems, it seems to be an ongoing
issue.  You should not have to add Loc-Tite to a set of paddles of this 
type.  And it's not like Elecraft is not
aware of the problem - I've had it from day one as have others.

Other than that, I love my KX3 and KX2. And I like the KX3 paddles - 
those seem to work just fine.

Just one of thsoes "little" annoyances, but it should be addressed 
because its little annoyances that create
negative product impressions.

  Very best regards,

Tom, W1TEF
Lexington County, SC

On 7/24/2017 11:45 AM, KENT TRIMBLE wrote:
> The issue is not that the paddles don't leave the factory fully tested 
> and operational, but that the stand-offs (E700348) loosen after a 
> period of time from normal use.
>
> As posted by several of us previously, the fix is simply to place a 
> small dab of Loctite Blue on the threads of the two flathead screws 
> (E700277) which secure the stand-offs.
>
> Loctite Blue worked for me.  Some prefer Loctite Red.  A last resort 
> would be JB Weld.
>
> Once adjusted to the operator's taste, the KXPD2 is a very nice little 
> paddle.
>
> 73,
>
> Kent  K9ZTV
>
>
>
> On 7/22/2017 10:30 AM, Wayne Burdick n6kr at elecraft.com [KX3] wrote:
>>
>> The paddles are supposed to be fully tested prior to shipping. I?ll 
>> investigate on Monday.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Wayne
>> N6KR
>>
>
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From marklgoldberg at gmail.com  Mon Jul 24 17:38:20 2017
From: marklgoldberg at gmail.com (Mark Goldberg)
Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2017 14:38:20 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] Re: Kx2 paddle issue
In-Reply-To: <003e01d304b5$daeb1ef0$90c15cd0$@biz>
References: <81682070-ceac-97c4-4c78-fcfdcf3bd882@socket.net>
	<E1E9A5FFF3CF4DD6AA487B83000EB463@z22z28>
	<CAKn+a3vVC_LdX6_ti=uzhOFnf6Acxoo+15v_=eJQowhQ9R1_aA@mail.gmail.com>
	<003e01d304b5$daeb1ef0$90c15cd0$@biz>
Message-ID: <CAKn+a3v300gvewoPsfgn21YTwdDYx3UzeGV1k7GWV7GTUSB4Gg@mail.gmail.com>

Loctite 425 appears to be the only one they recommend for metal to plastic.
It is Cyanoacrylate based. It may not be that much different from the plain
old CA glue you used, except it is a pretty Loctite blue!

http://www.na.henkel-adhesives.com/product-search-1554.htm?nodeid=8797887234049


73,

Mark
W7MLG

On Mon, Jul 24, 2017 at 12:48 PM, Ron D'Eau Claire <ron at cobi.biz> wrote:

> I avoid Loctite after using it to secure a steel screw and nut holding a
> plastic part. Over the next six months the plastic around the screw
> disintegrated - crumbled. That was several years ago. Perhaps Loctite has
> changed the formula, but I haven't succumbed to making another test.
>
> I found that a small drop of thin (not gel) CA glue (a.k.a "superglue") on
> the threads of a screw works very well, yet the screw can be removed later
> if needed with little effort. The threads do not need to be coated. Just a
> small amount where the screw enters the threaded section, or a small drop
> on
> the end of the screw where it exits are all that is needed.
>
> 73, Ron AC7AC
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net
> [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Mark Goldberg
> Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 11:09 AM
> To: w4sc
> Cc: Elecraft
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [KX3] Re: Kx2 paddle issue
>
> There are many different Loctites of each color. Exactly what has worked
> for
> you? I have settled on Blue Loctite 243 for it's improved temperature
> range,
> better compatibility with Stainless Steel hardware and oil resistance.
>
> 73,
>
> Mark
> W7MLG
>
> On Mon, Jul 24, 2017 at 10:05 AM, w4sc <w4sc at windstream.net> wrote:
>
> > You may want to reconsider using Loctite Red (or Blue), the highest
> > strengths.  If you ever want to disassemble that part of the XDP2, it
> > may take heat and excessive force to loosen.
> >
> > Loctite Purple is probably more than adequate for the securing of the
> > posts.  A tiny dab of Purple on the end of the screw threads worked
> > great for me.
> >
> > REF; http://henkeladhesivesna.com/blog/the-difference-between-
> > red-blue-green-and-purple-threadlockers/
> >
> > 73 de Ben W4SC
> >
> > ______________________________________________________________
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From wn3r.us at gmail.com  Mon Jul 24 17:47:57 2017
From: wn3r.us at gmail.com (Richard Hayman19)
Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2017 21:47:57 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] K3/0 for sale
Message-ID: <CY1PR13MB016916C53157AEE47A8F7DA5F8BB0@CY1PR13MB0169.namprd13.prod.outlook.com>

Looking to go mobile/portable with the K3-mini and a commercial cellular modem.

Make offer. Used very little.

Contact off list.

73, Dick, WN3R
wn3r.us at gmail.com


Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10


From ron at cobi.biz  Mon Jul 24 17:50:08 2017
From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire)
Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2017 14:50:08 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] Re: Kx2 paddle issue
In-Reply-To: <845dc0c3-78f8-ba2f-4554-28fd111f2c39@voodoolab.com>
References: <81682070-ceac-97c4-4c78-fcfdcf3bd882@socket.net>	<E1E9A5FFF3CF4DD6AA487B83000EB463@z22z28>	<CAKn+a3vVC_LdX6_ti=uzhOFnf6Acxoo+15v_=eJQowhQ9R1_aA@mail.gmail.com>	<003e01d304b5$daeb1ef0$90c15cd0$@biz>
	<845dc0c3-78f8-ba2f-4554-28fd111f2c39@voodoolab.com>
Message-ID: <004501d304c6$d18c60b0$74a52210$@biz>

Hi Josh: 

When I bought Loctite I had a choice of only two, red and blue. So I just
looked and that's all the Loctite web site lists now (they do have a variety
of glues and other chemicals but I am looking at threadlockers). Red Loctite
requires heating the screw to 500F to remove it. Blue Loctite can be removed
using hand tools. They do say they are not "recommended" for use on
plastics, but I believed they meant securing plastic threaded parts. In my
case it was a steel screw and nut so I used blue Loctite on the screw
threads. A tiny amount of the Loctite must have flowed onto the plastic hole
in the parts the screw and nut were securing. That was enough that resulted
in slow disintegration from a hole for a #4 screw out to an inch more in all
directions. 

I'll continue to use a drop of CA glue since I've never had a screw secured
with it come loose yet they are easily removed when needed. 

73, Ron AC7AC



-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net
[mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Josh Fiden
Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 1:20 PM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [KX3] Re: Kx2 paddle issue

There are something like 40 different formulations of Loctite Threadlocker.
It's a great product *if* you select the correct one for your application.
The wrong one can be a disaster.

73,
Josh W6XU

On 7/24/2017 12:48 PM, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote:
> Perhaps Loctite has changed the formula

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From ron at cobi.biz  Mon Jul 24 17:52:36 2017
From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire)
Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2017 14:52:36 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] Re: Kx2 paddle issue
In-Reply-To: <CAKn+a3v300gvewoPsfgn21YTwdDYx3UzeGV1k7GWV7GTUSB4Gg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <81682070-ceac-97c4-4c78-fcfdcf3bd882@socket.net>	<E1E9A5FFF3CF4DD6AA487B83000EB463@z22z28>	<CAKn+a3vVC_LdX6_ti=uzhOFnf6Acxoo+15v_=eJQowhQ9R1_aA@mail.gmail.com>	<003e01d304b5$daeb1ef0$90c15cd0$@biz>
	<CAKn+a3v300gvewoPsfgn21YTwdDYx3UzeGV1k7GWV7GTUSB4Gg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <004601d304c7$2a347400$7e9d5c00$@biz>

I suspect you are right, since the website lists it as an "Adhesive". 

73, Ron AC7AC

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From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net
[mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Mark Goldberg
Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 2:38 PM
To: Ron D'Eau Claire
Cc: Elecraft; w4sc
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [KX3] Re: Kx2 paddle issue

Loctite 425 appears to be the only one they recommend for metal to plastic.
It is Cyanoacrylate based. It may not be that much different from the plain
old CA glue you used, except it is a pretty Loctite blue!

http://www.na.henkel-adhesives.com/product-search-1554.htm?nodeid=8797887234
049


73,

Mark
W7MLG



From john at kn5l.net  Mon Jul 24 18:22:09 2017
From: john at kn5l.net (John Oppenheimer)
Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2017 17:22:09 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] Re: Kx2 paddle issue
In-Reply-To: <81682070-ceac-97c4-4c78-fcfdcf3bd882@socket.net>
References: <D890F3D1818F4041B609AFE668C08455@Systeem1028>
	<B4FFAA69-24AA-491A-8BC1-AB740E42799A@elecraft.com>
	<81682070-ceac-97c4-4c78-fcfdcf3bd882@socket.net>
Message-ID: <b430e329-cfe6-98d6-45e4-25a91dcbc97a@kn5l.net>

This is the response I received from Elecraft support:

On 06/27/2017 01:34 PM, Elecraft Support wrote:
> To your question, yes, we are now using a drop of Locktite Blue (not
> Red) on the threads for the 2 screws that hold the round contacts in
> place.

John KN5L

On 07/24/2017 10:45 AM, KENT TRIMBLE wrote:
> The issue is not that the paddles don't leave the factory fully tested 
> and operational, but that the stand-offs (E700348) loosen after a period 
> of time from normal use.
> 
> As posted by several of us previously, the fix is simply to place a 
> small dab of Loctite Blue on the threads of the two flathead screws 
> (E700277) which secure the stand-offs.

From rthorne at rthorne.net  Tue Jul 25 08:30:03 2017
From: rthorne at rthorne.net (Richard Thorne)
Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2017 07:30:03 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Update
Message-ID: <da4eb391-bc66-dd53-8d09-cae67903a8e6@rthorne.net>

Any updates on when ordering will start and when the amp will ship?

Thanks in advance.

Rich - N5ZC

From KX2_KX3 at swsports.org  Tue Jul 25 08:47:24 2017
From: KX2_KX3 at swsports.org (Tom Francis, W1TEF)
Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2017 08:47:24 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] Re: Kx2 paddle issue
In-Reply-To: <b430e329-cfe6-98d6-45e4-25a91dcbc97a@kn5l.net>
References: <D890F3D1818F4041B609AFE668C08455@Systeem1028>
	<B4FFAA69-24AA-491A-8BC1-AB740E42799A@elecraft.com>
	<81682070-ceac-97c4-4c78-fcfdcf3bd882@socket.net>
	<b430e329-cfe6-98d6-45e4-25a91dcbc97a@kn5l.net>
Message-ID: <7c3f4ac7-4196-6937-f537-9ba17ac077e1@swsports.org>

The point should be that a "drop of LocTite" isn't going to fix the 
problem over time.

You should not have to modify a product immediately out of the box 
because of a lousy
design.

Best regards,

Tom, W1TEF
Lexington, SC

On 7/24/2017 6:22 PM, John Oppenheimer wrote:
> This is the response I received from Elecraft support:
>
> On 06/27/2017 01:34 PM, Elecraft Support wrote:
>> To your question, yes, we are now using a drop of Locktite Blue (not
>> Red) on the threads for the 2 screws that hold the round contacts in
>> place.
> John KN5L
>
> On 07/24/2017 10:45 AM, KENT TRIMBLE wrote:
>> The issue is not that the paddles don't leave the factory fully tested
>> and operational, but that the stand-offs (E700348) loosen after a period
>> of time from normal use.
>>
>> As posted by several of us previously, the fix is simply to place a
>> small dab of Loctite Blue on the threads of the two flathead screws
>> (E700277) which secure the stand-offs.
> ______________________________________________________________
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From davebelville at gmail.com  Tue Jul 25 09:14:38 2017
From: davebelville at gmail.com (Dave Belville)
Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2017 08:14:38 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] Re: Kx2 paddle issue
In-Reply-To: <7c3f4ac7-4196-6937-f537-9ba17ac077e1@swsports.org>
References: <D890F3D1818F4041B609AFE668C08455@Systeem1028>
	<B4FFAA69-24AA-491A-8BC1-AB740E42799A@elecraft.com>
	<81682070-ceac-97c4-4c78-fcfdcf3bd882@socket.net>
	<b430e329-cfe6-98d6-45e4-25a91dcbc97a@kn5l.net>
	<7c3f4ac7-4196-6937-f537-9ba17ac077e1@swsports.org>
Message-ID: <CANF3_gc9E62nN0ZtTtMguDb-dmzdfo2f3FYdBAB7tAHfW5X+-A@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Tom,

First let me say that I am not trying to argue with you or correct you. I
just want to share what little bit of knowledge I have.

In my many years as a master mechanic in the heavy duty truck industry, I
can tell you without reservation that unless you use physical force
(screwdriver, etc.) and turn the screw, it will not come loose from the
type of use a set of paddles on a KX2 would get and could be considered a
permanent fix. We used Blue Loctite for countless purposes and I never saw
it come loose on a truck which would have put many times more vibration,
stress and possibly heat on the fastener. Now, that being said, you need to
have the fastener clean but in the case of the KX2 paddles, it should not
be an issue. I would not recommend using red Loctite. You may not get the
fastener out even if you want to without destroying something. I know that
from experience.

As far as the design goes, I would not say it is a lousy design. I would
say that they just left a step out. They forgot the blue Loctite. Elecraft
isn't perfect, but they are darn close.

73

Dave KD9VT

On Tue, Jul 25, 2017 at 7:47 AM, Tom Francis, W1TEF <KX2_KX3 at swsports.org>
wrote:

> The point should be that a "drop of LocTite" isn't going to fix the
> problem over time.
>
> You should not have to modify a product immediately out of the box because
> of a lousy
> design.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Tom, W1TEF
> Lexington, SC
>
> On 7/24/2017 6:22 PM, John Oppenheimer wrote:
>
>> This is the response I received from Elecraft support:
>>
>> On 06/27/2017 01:34 PM, Elecraft Support wrote:
>>
>>> To your question, yes, we are now using a drop of Locktite Blue (not
>>> Red) on the threads for the 2 screws that hold the round contacts in
>>> place.
>>>
>> John KN5L
>>
>> On 07/24/2017 10:45 AM, KENT TRIMBLE wrote:
>>
>>> The issue is not that the paddles don't leave the factory fully tested
>>> and operational, but that the stand-offs (E700348) loosen after a period
>>> of time from normal use.
>>>
>>> As posted by several of us previously, the fix is simply to place a
>>> small dab of Loctite Blue on the threads of the two flathead screws
>>> (E700277) which secure the stand-offs.
>>>
>> ______________________________________________________________
>> Elecraft mailing list
>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
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>>
>>
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From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Tue Jul 25 09:37:07 2017
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2017 08:37:07 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] Re: Kx2 paddle issue
In-Reply-To: <CANF3_gc9E62nN0ZtTtMguDb-dmzdfo2f3FYdBAB7tAHfW5X+-A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <D890F3D1818F4041B609AFE668C08455@Systeem1028>
	<B4FFAA69-24AA-491A-8BC1-AB740E42799A@elecraft.com>
	<81682070-ceac-97c4-4c78-fcfdcf3bd882@socket.net>
	<b430e329-cfe6-98d6-45e4-25a91dcbc97a@kn5l.net>
	<7c3f4ac7-4196-6937-f537-9ba17ac077e1@swsports.org>
	<CANF3_gc9E62nN0ZtTtMguDb-dmzdfo2f3FYdBAB7tAHfW5X+-A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7283d491-5eab-7a69-2ad5-0b66d944be86@blomand.net>

As I learned from my previous manufacturing experience and knowledge, a 
threaded fastener, a.k.a. screw, has a specific torque value which 
should be applied to make it secure.   The value depends on the screw 
design, flat head, binder head, round head, undercut, pan head, etc.    
The only way to attain this value is to use a torque calibrated 
screwdriver or wrench to secure the fastener.    Also, depending on 
application, the proper lock washer, internal tooth, external tooth or 
split spring should be applied.

Additional measures may be required when the screw is used with 
dis-similar materials.   Hence one of the Loctite products, again 
application specific, may be required.

73

Bob, K4TAX

K3S s/n 10163



On 7/25/2017 8:14 AM, Dave Belville wrote:
> Hi Tom,
>
> First let me say that I am not trying to argue with you or correct you. I
> just want to share what little bit of knowledge I have.
>
> In my many years as a master mechanic in the heavy duty truck industry, I
> can tell you without reservation that unless you use physical force
> (screwdriver, etc.) and turn the screw, it will not come loose from the
> type of use a set of paddles on a KX2 would get and could be considered a
> permanent fix. We used Blue Loctite for countless purposes and I never saw
> it come loose on a truck which would have put many times more vibration,
> stress and possibly heat on the fastener. Now, that being said, you need to
> have the fastener clean but in the case of the KX2 paddles, it should not
> be an issue. I would not recommend using red Loctite. You may not get the
> fastener out even if you want to without destroying something. I know that
> from experience.
>
> As far as the design goes, I would not say it is a lousy design. I would
> say that they just left a step out. They forgot the blue Loctite. Elecraft
> isn't perfect, but they are darn close.
>
> 73
>
> Dave KD9VT
>
>



From colin.g3psm at gmail.com  Tue Jul 25 11:01:10 2017
From: colin.g3psm at gmail.com (Colin)
Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2017 16:01:10 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 SHUTTING DOWN OPERATING JT65
In-Reply-To: <CA+33ts5=oNdCkaevMQ9rQoos9s2PGPyMA6sZ7NhBJF42_Xyu8w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHaC9R9X70sJtQ=5eiv9jsVtf1NNapm=aKxv5vF-LDVoR03dtg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CA+33ts5=oNdCkaevMQ9rQoos9s2PGPyMA6sZ7NhBJF42_Xyu8w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <b08b5956-4035-0809-7be9-71849339fb10@gmail.com>

Mike, I am experiencing a similar thing.   I had a session on FT8 a few 
days ago and my K3 shut down completely, in fact it blew a 20A fuse on 
my alternate 20A PSU but just shuts down on my 40A supply.

One thing I notice is that it appears to be drawing nearly 5 Amps on 
receive which is excessive and one occasion while I was testing actually 
shut down on receive.

It isn't the DC lead as I have replaced that with a factory supplied item.

I'm still working on it but unless the experts in this group have any 
ideas I will attempt to re-invent the wheel.

73

Colin, G3PSM

On 23/07/2017 03:17, Michael Walker wrote:
> Hi Buddy
>
> I can thing of 2 things.  Overheating .. not likely since usually the RF
> section shut downs.
>
> RF getting into the power supply.  Grounding might not make a difference.
> RF Chokes on the power supply DC cord might help.
>
> Oh, the 3rd thing, Is your power supply up to the task?  Might it be
> failing? Throw a volt meter on it.
>
> Mike va3mw
>
>
> On Sat, Jul 22, 2017 at 9:28 PM, buddy s <buddys70 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> i am using wsjt-x software for jt65 using my k3.  after operating for
>> approximately 2 hours today,  i answered a cq, and after 30 seconds the k3
>> shut down completely.  i waited a few minutes and changed antennas.  the k3
>> powered up, and i tried again.  same result, shutdown after 30 seconds of
>> transmitting.  my power is set to 30 watts, and i am using a kat500 with
>> both antennas.
>>
>> any suggestions, any questions?
>>
>> 73 de
>> W3BS, Buddy Spiegel
>> ______________________________________________________________
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From ron at cobi.biz  Tue Jul 25 12:12:19 2017
From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire)
Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2017 09:12:19 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] Re: Kx2 paddle issue
In-Reply-To: <7283d491-5eab-7a69-2ad5-0b66d944be86@blomand.net>
References: <D890F3D1818F4041B609AFE668C08455@Systeem1028>	<B4FFAA69-24AA-491A-8BC1-AB740E42799A@elecraft.com>	<81682070-ceac-97c4-4c78-fcfdcf3bd882@socket.net>	<b430e329-cfe6-98d6-45e4-25a91dcbc97a@kn5l.net>	<7c3f4ac7-4196-6937-f537-9ba17ac077e1@swsports.org>	<CANF3_gc9E62nN0ZtTtMguDb-dmzdfo2f3FYdBAB7tAHfW5X+-A@mail.gmail.com>
	<7283d491-5eab-7a69-2ad5-0b66d944be86@blomand.net>
Message-ID: <004301d30560$cac0f940$6042ebc0$@biz>

It's useful to remember that a screw (or bolt) is a spring. When tightened
it stretches lengthwise. Like any spring, it offers the best "grip" when
subjected to the right range of pressure. 

Way back in my High School days (1950's - before Mercury was a toxic
substance) I watched a demonstration using a bolt and nut made of frozen
Mercury. Mercury is not elastic. Liquid Mercury was poured into molds for a
nut and bolt and hardened with liquid nitrogen. Using gloves, the
demonstrator assembled the nut and bolt using a large wrench to apply a
great deal of torque. That done, anyone could loosen it without a wrench by
just twisting the nut or bolt with minimal finger pressure (inside the
gloves of course). There was no resistance since Mercury does not stretch.

It's easy to over torque (stretch) small screws. That's why the Elecraft kit
assembly manuals do not recommend using power screwdrivers. The Elecraft
factory in Watsonville is equipped with special torque-limiting power
screwdrivers to allow quick assembly with screws not so tight they are
damaged or broken. 

Since a screw is basically an inclined plane that stretches the screw when
tightened, vibration will allow the screw to turn (slide along the plane of
the threads), hence the use of lock washers or chemical compounds in such
environments to stop any movement. 

Perhaps the issue with the KX2 paddles is the vibration as the contacts
collide allowing the screws to turn. Working remotely on the Elecraft
manuals I've not been directly involved with the issue, so that is pure
speculation.

73, Ron AC7AC 



From colin.g3psm at gmail.com  Tue Jul 25 12:14:33 2017
From: colin.g3psm at gmail.com (Colin)
Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2017 17:14:33 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: Re:  K3 SHUTTING DOWN OPERATING JT65
In-Reply-To: <b08b5956-4035-0809-7be9-71849339fb10@gmail.com>
References: <b08b5956-4035-0809-7be9-71849339fb10@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ba051f8d-e655-f163-bac0-38d42457b3fc@gmail.com>

Buddy/Mike, further to my earlier email the current on receive is 
actually 1.05A as measured on a digital multimeter and not 5A as 
indicated on the PSU analogue meter.

Of course this doesn't solve the immediate problem.

73

Colin, G3PSM





-------- Forwarded Message --------
Subject: 	Re: [Elecraft] K3 SHUTTING DOWN OPERATING JT65
Date: 	Tue, 25 Jul 2017 16:01:10 +0100
From: 	Colin <colin.g3psm at gmail.com>
To: 	elecraft at mailman.qth.net



Mike, I am experiencing a similar thing.   I had a session on FT8 a few
days ago and my K3 shut down completely, in fact it blew a 20A fuse on
my alternate 20A PSU but just shuts down on my 40A supply.

One thing I notice is that it appears to be drawing nearly 5 Amps on
receive which is excessive and one occasion while I was testing actually
shut down on receive.

It isn't the DC lead as I have replaced that with a factory supplied item.

I'm still working on it but unless the experts in this group have any
ideas I will attempt to re-invent the wheel.

73

Colin, G3PSM

On 23/07/2017 03:17, Michael Walker wrote:
> Hi Buddy
>
> I can thing of 2 things.  Overheating .. not likely since usually the RF
> section shut downs.
>
> RF getting into the power supply.  Grounding might not make a difference.
> RF Chokes on the power supply DC cord might help.
>
> Oh, the 3rd thing, Is your power supply up to the task?  Might it be
> failing? Throw a volt meter on it.
>
> Mike va3mw
>
>
> On Sat, Jul 22, 2017 at 9:28 PM, buddy s <buddys70 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> i am using wsjt-x software for jt65 using my k3.  after operating for
>> approximately 2 hours today,  i answered a cq, and after 30 seconds the k3
>> shut down completely.  i waited a few minutes and changed antennas.  the k3
>> powered up, and i tried again.  same result, shutdown after 30 seconds of
>> transmitting.  my power is set to 30 watts, and i am using a kat500 with
>> both antennas.
>>
>> any suggestions, any questions?
>>
>> 73 de
>> W3BS, Buddy Spiegel
>> ______________________________________________________________
>> Elecraft mailing list
>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
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From mike.flowers at gmail.com  Tue Jul 25 12:24:31 2017
From: mike.flowers at gmail.com (Mike Flowers)
Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2017 09:24:31 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: Re:  K3 SHUTTING DOWN OPERATING JT65
In-Reply-To: <ba051f8d-e655-f163-bac0-38d42457b3fc@gmail.com>
References: <b08b5956-4035-0809-7be9-71849339fb10@gmail.com>
	<ba051f8d-e655-f163-bac0-38d42457b3fc@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <087001d30562$7f9484d0$7ebd8e70$@gmail.com>

If you have a dummy load, try running JT8 or JT65 into that at your usual
power.    If problem does not reoccur, then likely RFI is the culprit.

If it does reoccur, then likely the K3 is having issues.

- 73 and good DX de Mike, K6MKF, Past President - NCDXC 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-
> bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Colin
> Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2017 9:15 AM
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: Re: K3 SHUTTING DOWN OPERATING JT65
> 
> Buddy/Mike, further to my earlier email the current on receive is actually
1.05A
> as measured on a digital multimeter and not 5A as indicated on the PSU
analogue
> meter.
> 
> Of course this doesn't solve the immediate problem.
> 
> 73
> 
> Colin, G3PSM
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -------- Forwarded Message --------
> Subject: 	Re: [Elecraft] K3 SHUTTING DOWN OPERATING JT65
> Date: 	Tue, 25 Jul 2017 16:01:10 +0100
> From: 	Colin <colin.g3psm at gmail.com>
> To: 	elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> 
> 
> 
> Mike, I am experiencing a similar thing.   I had a session on FT8 a few
> days ago and my K3 shut down completely, in fact it blew a 20A fuse on my
> alternate 20A PSU but just shuts down on my 40A supply.
> 
> One thing I notice is that it appears to be drawing nearly 5 Amps on
receive
> which is excessive and one occasion while I was testing actually shut down
on
> receive.
> 
> It isn't the DC lead as I have replaced that with a factory supplied item.
> 
> I'm still working on it but unless the experts in this group have any
ideas I will
> attempt to re-invent the wheel.
> 
> 73
> 
> Colin, G3PSM
> 
> On 23/07/2017 03:17, Michael Walker wrote:
> > Hi Buddy
> >
> > I can thing of 2 things.  Overheating .. not likely since usually the
> > RF section shut downs.
> >
> > RF getting into the power supply.  Grounding might not make a
difference.
> > RF Chokes on the power supply DC cord might help.
> >
> > Oh, the 3rd thing, Is your power supply up to the task?  Might it be
> > failing? Throw a volt meter on it.
> >
> > Mike va3mw
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Jul 22, 2017 at 9:28 PM, buddy s <buddys70 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> i am using wsjt-x software for jt65 using my k3.  after operating for
> >> approximately 2 hours today,  i answered a cq, and after 30 seconds
> >> the k3 shut down completely.  i waited a few minutes and changed
> >> antennas.  the k3 powered up, and i tried again.  same result,
> >> shutdown after 30 seconds of transmitting.  my power is set to 30
> >> watts, and i am using a kat500 with both antennas.
> >>
> >> any suggestions, any questions?
> >>
> >> 73 de
> >> W3BS, Buddy Spiegel
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From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Tue Jul 25 12:32:49 2017
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2017 11:32:49 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: Re: K3 SHUTTING DOWN OPERATING JT65
In-Reply-To: <ba051f8d-e655-f163-bac0-38d42457b3fc@gmail.com>
References: <b08b5956-4035-0809-7be9-71849339fb10@gmail.com>
	<ba051f8d-e655-f163-bac0-38d42457b3fc@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <096ed8ed-9b2c-7df8-3826-466d8f73b61a@blomand.net>

My K3S does show the voltage and current on its display.  In receive it 
nominally is 13.8 volts and 1.05 amps.   For transmit, CW mode key 
closed 100 watts output the current is 18.5 amps. Both of these values 
concur with my power supply metering.

I've experienced no shut down while operating JT-65 or more recently 
FT-8.  For JT-65 I normally set the PWR to 50 watts. For FT-8, being a 
shorter transmit time, although duty cycle is the same as JT-65 or about 
50%, I do sometimes run 100 watts. More often I find 25 to50 watts to be 
most adequate.

73

Bob, K4TAX

K3S s/n 10163


On 7/25/2017 11:14 AM, Colin wrote:
> Buddy/Mike, further to my earlier email the current on receive is 
> actually 1.05A as measured on a digital multimeter and not 5A as 
> indicated on the PSU analogue meter.
>
> Of course this doesn't solve the immediate problem.
>
> 73
>
> Colin, G3PSM
>
>
>



From matt at nq6n.com  Tue Jul 25 12:36:31 2017
From: matt at nq6n.com (Matt NQ6N)
Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2017 11:36:31 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] Re: Kx2 paddle issue
In-Reply-To: <004301d30560$cac0f940$6042ebc0$@biz>
References: <D890F3D1818F4041B609AFE668C08455@Systeem1028>
	<B4FFAA69-24AA-491A-8BC1-AB740E42799A@elecraft.com>
	<81682070-ceac-97c4-4c78-fcfdcf3bd882@socket.net>
	<b430e329-cfe6-98d6-45e4-25a91dcbc97a@kn5l.net>
	<7c3f4ac7-4196-6937-f537-9ba17ac077e1@swsports.org>
	<CANF3_gc9E62nN0ZtTtMguDb-dmzdfo2f3FYdBAB7tAHfW5X+-A@mail.gmail.com>
	<7283d491-5eab-7a69-2ad5-0b66d944be86@blomand.net>
	<004301d30560$cac0f940$6042ebc0$@biz>
Message-ID: <CANth69hBpKTaTj4BtM05prNSb758zuLgRrm4BVB0CskO_uJPAw@mail.gmail.com>

I have had this issue with my KX2 paddle and have two observations:

On my paddle, the screw that is meant to hold the standoff to the plastic
body will actually screw tightly into the plastic body *without* the
standoff.  When this happens, additional torque applied with a screwdriver
has no effect on the standoff.

When my paddle got loose I tightened the screw with a screwdriver, but then
later (after it got loose multiple times) I realized that the screw felt
tight because the threads were *gripping the plastic. *The connection with
the standoff was still fairly loose, the torque I put on the screwdriver
was blocked by the tight fit of the screw's threads to the plastic.

The solution I used was to turn the standoff while jogging the screw back
and forth with a screwdriver until I felt the standoff grip against the
other side of the plastic, then continue to jog the assembly while
tightening the screw about another quarter turn, to the point where the
screw was nice and tight against the standoff and *also* tight against the
plastic.  This approach has kept the screw and standoff stable without the
need for glue.

I think that if future releases of the paddle were manufactured with a
slightly larger hole in the plastic, then it would be easier to achieve a
tight fit between the screw and the standoff.  I'd also be curious if a
small lock-washer on the standoff side might help make the assembly more
immune to vibration.

73,
Matt NQ6N





On Tue, Jul 25, 2017 at 11:12 AM, Ron D'Eau Claire <ron at cobi.biz> wrote:

> It's useful to remember that a screw (or bolt) is a spring. When tightened
> it stretches lengthwise. Like any spring, it offers the best "grip" when
> subjected to the right range of pressure.
>
> Way back in my High School days (1950's - before Mercury was a toxic
> substance) I watched a demonstration using a bolt and nut made of frozen
> Mercury. Mercury is not elastic. Liquid Mercury was poured into molds for a
> nut and bolt and hardened with liquid nitrogen. Using gloves, the
> demonstrator assembled the nut and bolt using a large wrench to apply a
> great deal of torque. That done, anyone could loosen it without a wrench by
> just twisting the nut or bolt with minimal finger pressure (inside the
> gloves of course). There was no resistance since Mercury does not stretch.
>
> It's easy to over torque (stretch) small screws. That's why the Elecraft
> kit
> assembly manuals do not recommend using power screwdrivers. The Elecraft
> factory in Watsonville is equipped with special torque-limiting power
> screwdrivers to allow quick assembly with screws not so tight they are
> damaged or broken.
>
> Since a screw is basically an inclined plane that stretches the screw when
> tightened, vibration will allow the screw to turn (slide along the plane of
> the threads), hence the use of lock washers or chemical compounds in such
> environments to stop any movement.
>
> Perhaps the issue with the KX2 paddles is the vibration as the contacts
> collide allowing the screws to turn. Working remotely on the Elecraft
> manuals I've not been directly involved with the issue, so that is pure
> speculation.
>
> 73, Ron AC7AC
>
>
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From chris.yln at blueyonder.co.uk  Tue Jul 25 12:36:48 2017
From: chris.yln at blueyonder.co.uk (Chris)
Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2017 17:36:48 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S USB
Message-ID: <b47827f5-a014-901f-e56c-d507ceb16938@blueyonder.co.uk>

I have a K3S and the USB has stopped working

is there any way of testing it

thanks GM4YLN Chris


From marklgoldberg at gmail.com  Tue Jul 25 13:46:07 2017
From: marklgoldberg at gmail.com (Mark Goldberg)
Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2017 10:46:07 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] [KX3] Re: Kx2 paddle issue
In-Reply-To: <004301d30560$cac0f940$6042ebc0$@biz>
References: <D890F3D1818F4041B609AFE668C08455@Systeem1028>
	<B4FFAA69-24AA-491A-8BC1-AB740E42799A@elecraft.com>
	<81682070-ceac-97c4-4c78-fcfdcf3bd882@socket.net>
	<b430e329-cfe6-98d6-45e4-25a91dcbc97a@kn5l.net>
	<7c3f4ac7-4196-6937-f537-9ba17ac077e1@swsports.org>
	<CANF3_gc9E62nN0ZtTtMguDb-dmzdfo2f3FYdBAB7tAHfW5X+-A@mail.gmail.com>
	<7283d491-5eab-7a69-2ad5-0b66d944be86@blomand.net>
	<004301d30560$cac0f940$6042ebc0$@biz>
Message-ID: <CAKn+a3vDvRupp9Mh+Ps8jh7ZDT_LZ4veZ=kTwKvG3VSJC00xyQ@mail.gmail.com>

I found this site:

https://engineerdog.com/2015/01/11/10-tricks-engineers-need-to-know-about-fasteners/

They suggest that studies show lockwashers are ineffective, but then go on
to reference other studies that show they are.

I guess is all comes down to that common answer in engineering: "It
depends". You have to design to your specific conditions, and probably
should do some dynamic testing with fatigue loads as referenced in the
article. Since I do not have testing capabilities, I use both lockwashers
and threadlocker, appropriately chosen for the application using
manufacturer's data sheets and selection guides, and hope for the best.

73,

Mark
W7MLG

On Tue, Jul 25, 2017 at 9:12 AM, Ron D'Eau Claire <ron at cobi.biz> wrote:

> It's useful to remember that a screw (or bolt) is a spring. When tightened
> it stretches lengthwise. Like any spring, it offers the best "grip" when
> subjected to the right range of pressure.
>
> Way back in my High School days (1950's - before Mercury was a toxic
> substance) I watched a demonstration using a bolt and nut made of frozen
> Mercury. Mercury is not elastic. Liquid Mercury was poured into molds for a
> nut and bolt and hardened with liquid nitrogen. Using gloves, the
> demonstrator assembled the nut and bolt using a large wrench to apply a
> great deal of torque. That done, anyone could loosen it without a wrench by
> just twisting the nut or bolt with minimal finger pressure (inside the
> gloves of course). There was no resistance since Mercury does not stretch.
>
> It's easy to over torque (stretch) small screws. That's why the Elecraft
> kit
> assembly manuals do not recommend using power screwdrivers. The Elecraft
> factory in Watsonville is equipped with special torque-limiting power
> screwdrivers to allow quick assembly with screws not so tight they are
> damaged or broken.
>
> Since a screw is basically an inclined plane that stretches the screw when
> tightened, vibration will allow the screw to turn (slide along the plane of
> the threads), hence the use of lock washers or chemical compounds in such
> environments to stop any movement.
>
> Perhaps the issue with the KX2 paddles is the vibration as the contacts
> collide allowing the screws to turn. Working remotely on the Elecraft
> manuals I've not been directly involved with the issue, so that is pure
> speculation.
>
> 73, Ron AC7AC
>
>
> ______________________________________________________________
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From john at kk9a.com  Tue Jul 25 15:49:44 2017
From: john at kk9a.com (john at kk9a.com)
Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2017 15:49:44 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft]  1 Khz filter
Message-ID: <ed52554401dee607bfd3b91b1fbba7bf.squirrel@www11.qth.com>

What is this used for?

John KK9A

From: Ralph Matheny K8RYU
Mon Jul 24 16:30:29 EDT 2017


Anybody got a 1 Khz filter for K3 they wanna sell??

de K8RYU


From wes_n7ws at triconet.org  Tue Jul 25 18:28:27 2017
From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes Stewart)
Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2017 15:28:27 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] TX Test Mode garbage
Message-ID: <f9bc939d-b3fa-ad85-f5f9-67db669412fe@triconet.org>

I received an email from a German ham telling me that he's observing the same 
thing that I reported a couple of years ago. Specifically an audible "clicking" 
sound in both my K3S and KPA500 that coincides with CW keying.  See this thread: 
http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/KPA500-clicking-td7596512.html

Since there was no "fix" from Elecraft I guess time dulled my sensitivity to it 
until I received the email and then I thought to listen for it again.  It's 
thunderstorm season here in the AZ desert so my antenna cables are all 
disconnected. Because the problem manifests whether or not RF is being generated 
I put the K3S into TX Test mode and put the KPA500 into operate.  As before, the 
clicking is still there in both the K3S and KPA500.

But while doing this I noted that the SWR LEDs on the KAT500 were flashing.  
Since the antennas are disconnected this would be normal if RF was being 
generated, however as stated, I'm in Test mode.  One of my tuner ports has a 
dummy load attached so I switched to it and lo and behold the amp output LED was 
showing ~50W.

I have an original K3 so I tuned it to the K3S frequency, keyed the K3S and 
listened on the K3.  I could hear a non-coherent, clicky "garbage" signal that 
seemed to have a spectrum roughly the width of the TX filter.  Because both 
radios were running on the same power supply to eliminate the possibility of 
crosstalk via that path I fired up an SDR-IQ running on a totally separate 
computer and looked at the spectrum.  Although it's non-synchronous to the 
keying I can see a signal that does have an envelope roughly shaped like a BPF 
although it's far from flat in the passband.

The amplitude of this is affected by the output power setting and is present 
with the KPA500 in Standby.  It also seems to be thermally sensitive; becoming 
less conspicuous the longer things run.

Wes  N7WS

.



From kc6cnn at gmail.com  Tue Jul 25 20:32:39 2017
From: kc6cnn at gmail.com (KC6CNN)
Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2017 17:32:39 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] For Sale KPA500F / KAT500F
Message-ID: <1501029159022-7632688.post@n2.nabble.com>

I am selling my Factory built KPA500 amp Serial # 2217 and my factory built
KAT500 antenna tuner. 
Both work great and are clean and a non smoking shack. 
I am selling these together and do not wish to separate them. 
I am selling them for $2400 
Thanks
Gerald Manthey





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From dmboresz at gmail.com  Tue Jul 25 20:53:05 2017
From: dmboresz at gmail.com (Dale Boresz)
Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2017 20:53:05 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] 1 Khz filter
In-Reply-To: <ed52554401dee607bfd3b91b1fbba7bf.squirrel@www11.qth.com>
References: <ed52554401dee607bfd3b91b1fbba7bf.squirrel@www11.qth.com>
Message-ID: <CAPkaV9Auj3vW5DJ=t2CP-Wb0c4C_fp4i2hYSRZPTMaaDAs8Pyw@mail.gmail.com>

Hello John,

It's used for CW. I have a pair of them (main and sub rx) and find that CW
sounds more pleasing through this filter. I operate about 90% CW and I use
this filter most of the time, engaging narrower filters only when it
becomes really necessary.

73,

Dale -- WA8SRA

On Tue, Jul 25, 2017 at 3:49 PM, john at kk9a.com <john at kk9a.com> wrote:

> What is this used for?
>
> John KK9A
>
> From: Ralph Matheny K8RYU
> Mon Jul 24 16:30:29 EDT 2017
>
>
> Anybody got a 1 Khz filter for K3 they wanna sell??
>
> de K8RYU
>
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From k9fd at flex.com  Tue Jul 25 21:07:02 2017
From: k9fd at flex.com (Merv Schweigert)
Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2017 15:07:02 -1000
Subject: [Elecraft] [DETECTED AS SPAM] Re:  1 Khz filter
In-Reply-To: <CAPkaV9Auj3vW5DJ=t2CP-Wb0c4C_fp4i2hYSRZPTMaaDAs8Pyw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ed52554401dee607bfd3b91b1fbba7bf.squirrel@www11.qth.com>
	<CAPkaV9Auj3vW5DJ=t2CP-Wb0c4C_fp4i2hYSRZPTMaaDAs8Pyw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c2b52d79-6c83-936a-65a0-c51410bf2152@flex.com>

Same here,  perfect for contesting on CW,  I like to be able to hear almost
up to a KC up the band to pick up those who cannot zero beat,
I have 400 and 200 filters also,  but only use them for extreme conditions,
Merv K9FD/KH6

> Hello John,
>
> It's used for CW. I have a pair of them (main and sub rx) and find that CW
> sounds more pleasing through this filter. I operate about 90% CW and I use
> this filter most of the time, engaging narrower filters only when it
> becomes really necessary.
>
> 73,
>
> Dale -- WA8SRA
>
> On Tue, Jul 25, 2017 at 3:49 PM, john at kk9a.com <john at kk9a.com> wrote:
>
>> What is this used for?
>>
>> John KK9A
>>
>> From: Ralph Matheny K8RYU
>> Mon Jul 24 16:30:29 EDT 2017
>>
>>
>> Anybody got a 1 Khz filter for K3 they wanna sell??
>>
>> de K8RYU
>>
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From breedenwb at cableone.net  Tue Jul 25 22:11:05 2017
From: breedenwb at cableone.net (Bill Breeden)
Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2017 21:11:05 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] 1 Khz filter
In-Reply-To: <c2b52d79-6c83-936a-65a0-c51410bf2152@flex.com>
References: <ed52554401dee607bfd3b91b1fbba7bf.squirrel@www11.qth.com>
	<CAPkaV9Auj3vW5DJ=t2CP-Wb0c4C_fp4i2hYSRZPTMaaDAs8Pyw@mail.gmail.com>
	<c2b52d79-6c83-936a-65a0-c51410bf2152@flex.com>
Message-ID: <0c081934-c631-ce54-aea9-d2a097a40ef2@cableone.net>


I added a 1 kHz filter to my "Field Day" K3 for the same reason, and I 
really like it.  When calling CQ on CW during Field Day a lot of folks 
who answer are using radios they aren't very familiar with and as a 
result they aren't zero beat very accurately when they call.  I found 
that I was missing stations that were calling on the skirts of my 400 Hz 
filter, so I added a 1 kHz filter.  When I tune the band to answer CQs I 
still prefer listen through the 400 Hz filter.

73,

Bill - NA5DX


On 7/25/2017 8:07 PM, Merv Schweigert via Elecraft wrote:
> Same here,  perfect for contesting on CW,  I like to be able to hear 
> almost
> up to a KC up the band to pick up those who cannot zero beat,
> I have 400 and 200 filters also,  but only use them for extreme 
> conditions,
> Merv K9FD/KH6
>
>> Hello John,
>>
>> It's used for CW. I have a pair of them (main and sub rx) and find 
>> that CW
>> sounds more pleasing through this filter. I operate about 90% CW and 
>> I use
>> this filter most of the time, engaging narrower filters only when it
>> becomes really necessary.
>>
>> 73,
>>
>> Dale -- WA8SRA
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 25, 2017 at 3:49 PM, john at kk9a.com <john at kk9a.com> wrote:
>>
>>> What is this used for?
>>>
>>> John KK9A
>>>
>>> From: Ralph Matheny K8RYU
>>> Mon Jul 24 16:30:29 EDT 2017
>>>
>>>
>>> Anybody got a 1 Khz filter for K3 they wanna sell??
>>>
>>> de K8RYU
>>>
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From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Tue Jul 25 23:08:58 2017
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2017 20:08:58 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] 1 Khz filter
In-Reply-To: <0c081934-c631-ce54-aea9-d2a097a40ef2@cableone.net>
References: <ed52554401dee607bfd3b91b1fbba7bf.squirrel@www11.qth.com>
	<CAPkaV9Auj3vW5DJ=t2CP-Wb0c4C_fp4i2hYSRZPTMaaDAs8Pyw@mail.gmail.com>
	<c2b52d79-6c83-936a-65a0-c51410bf2152@flex.com>
	<0c081934-c631-ce54-aea9-d2a097a40ef2@cableone.net>
Message-ID: <3a3a518e-fa29-be12-293e-6ec94e02bbca@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On 7/25/2017 7:11 PM, Bill Breeden wrote:
> I found that I was missing stations that were calling on the skirts of 
> my 400 Hz filter, so I added a 1 kHz filter.  When I tune the band to 
> answer CQs I still prefer listen through the 400 Hz filter. 

It's important to remember that IF bandwidth is determined by DSP, and 
continuously adjustable. The plug-in filters are ROOFING filters -- 
their primary function is to protect the DSP from overload by very 
strong stations outside the bandwidth of the DSP IF. They have the 
secondary function of adding the filtering provided by the DSP, and when 
the DSP and the roofing filter are at the same bandwidth, the filter 
skirts become steeper (sharper).

Bottom line -- we don't need to buy a 1 kHz filter to get 1 kHz IF 
bandwidth, because the DSP already provides that. This is not your 
grandfather's radio! :)

73, Jim K9YC


From k2vco.vic at gmail.com  Wed Jul 26 00:12:43 2017
From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP)
Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2017 07:12:43 +0300
Subject: [Elecraft] 1 Khz filter
In-Reply-To: <ed52554401dee607bfd3b91b1fbba7bf.squirrel@www11.qth.com>
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I am a CW operator and I have 2.8kHz, 1kHz, 400Hz and 200Hz filters in 
my K3. I think this is serious overkill (especially since I have another 
similar set in the subreceiver).

The function of the crystal filters is to allow you to operate closer 
than (roughly) the filter bandwidth to a signal that is S9+20 dB or more 
without the interfering signal having any effect on the desired signal. 
The continuously adjustable DSP filter is a brick wall for undesired 
signals weaker than that. But stronger signals can activate the hardware 
AGC in the K3 or K3S and cause desensitization even though the QRM is 
outside the DSP bandpass.

The optimum situation is to have a filter whose bandwidth is close to or 
slightly wider than the DSP bandwidth that you are using. So if you 
often operate with the DSP bandwidth set to, say, 900Hz, having a 1kHz 
filter would be convenient. If you only had the stock 2.7 kHz filter, 
then an undesired S9+20 dB signal 1 kHz away from the signal you are 
listening to might cause the sensitivity of the receiver to vary and 
thus interfere with your ability to copy, even though you wouldn't hear 
the interfering signal.

So it depends on your operating habits. Since I am in the habit of 
listening to CW with the DSP set to 400Hz or below, the 1kHz filter 
doesn't do anything for me. I also think the value of the 200 Hz filter 
is marginal, although it has been helpful at times (like when a 
super-strong station one hop away from me is trying to deliberately QRM 
a DX station but is not exactly on the DX frequency).

73,
Victor, 4X6GP
Rehovot, Israel
Formerly K2VCO
http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/
On 25 Jul 2017 22:49, john at kk9a.com wrote:
> What is this used for?
> 
> John KK9A
> 
> From: Ralph Matheny K8RYU
> Mon Jul 24 16:30:29 EDT 2017
> 
> 
> Anybody got a 1 Khz filter for K3 they wanna sell??
> 
> de K8RYU

From nr4c at widomaker.com  Wed Jul 26 08:48:47 2017
From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c)
Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2017 08:48:47 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 SHUTTING DOWN OPERATING JT65
In-Reply-To: <b08b5956-4035-0809-7be9-71849339fb10@gmail.com>
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If your K3 draws 5A on receive you need to contact Elecraft NOW.  

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill


> On Jul 25, 2017, at 11:01 AM, Colin <colin.g3psm at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Mike, I am experiencing a similar thing.   I had a session on FT8 a few days ago and my K3 shut down completely, in fact it blew a 20A fuse on my alternate 20A PSU but just shuts down on my 40A supply.
> 
> One thing I notice is that it appears to be drawing nearly 5 Amps on receive which is excessive and one occasion while I was testing actually shut down on receive.
> 
> It isn't the DC lead as I have replaced that with a factory supplied item.
> 
> I'm still working on it but unless the experts in this group have any ideas I will attempt to re-invent the wheel.
> 
> 73
> 
> Colin, G3PSM
> 
>> On 23/07/2017 03:17, Michael Walker wrote:
>> Hi Buddy
>> 
>> I can thing of 2 things.  Overheating .. not likely since usually the RF
>> section shut downs.
>> 
>> RF getting into the power supply.  Grounding might not make a difference.
>> RF Chokes on the power supply DC cord might help.
>> 
>> Oh, the 3rd thing, Is your power supply up to the task?  Might it be
>> failing? Throw a volt meter on it.
>> 
>> Mike va3mw
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sat, Jul 22, 2017 at 9:28 PM, buddy s <buddys70 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> i am using wsjt-x software for jt65 using my k3.  after operating for
>>> approximately 2 hours today,  i answered a cq, and after 30 seconds the k3
>>> shut down completely.  i waited a few minutes and changed antennas.  the k3
>>> powered up, and i tried again.  same result, shutdown after 30 seconds of
>>> transmitting.  my power is set to 30 watts, and i am using a kat500 with
>>> both antennas.


From N3ND at aol.com  Wed Jul 26 10:03:00 2017
From: N3ND at aol.com (Dan Atchison)
Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2017 10:03:00 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] TX Test Mode garbage
Message-ID: <cd4bd879-6300-b37f-2079-3df9e269f394@aol.com>

I have observed this since receiving my K3s shortly after its 
introduction.   Even though I was told on the telephone that it was not 
possible, I sent in the K3s to have it analyzed and to have another PA 
issue resolved.  I later received an email confirming the issue stating 
that there is some leakage and that it was on their list for a fix.  
That was two years ago.

Yes, the K3s does put out power during this clicking and it has been 
observed by operators who live close by.  Power and SWR are noted on a 
digital power meter.

73,
Dan

------------------------------------------------------------------------

I received an email from a German ham telling me that he's observing the same
thing that I reported a couple of years ago. Specifically an audible "clicking"
sound in both my K3S and KPA500 that coincides with CW keying.  See this thread:
http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/KPA500-clicking-td7596512.html

Since there was no "fix" from Elecraft I guess time dulled my sensitivity to it
until I received the email and then I thought to listen for it again.  It's
thunderstorm season here in the AZ desert so my antenna cables are all
disconnected. Because the problem manifests whether or not RF is being generated
I put the K3S into TX Test mode and put the KPA500 into operate.  As before, the
clicking is still there in both the K3S and KPA500.

But while doing this I noted that the SWR LEDs on the KAT500 were flashing.
Since the antennas are disconnected this would be normal if RF was being
generated, however as stated, I'm in Test mode.  One of my tuner ports has a
dummy load attached so I switched to it and lo and behold the amp output LED was
showing ~50W.

I have an original K3 so I tuned it to the K3S frequency, keyed the K3S and
listened on the K3.  I could hear a non-coherent, clicky "garbage" signal that
seemed to have a spectrum roughly the width of the TX filter.  Because both
radios were running on the same power supply to eliminate the possibility of
crosstalk via that path I fired up an SDR-IQ running on a totally separate
computer and looked at the spectrum.  Although it's non-synchronous to the
keying I can see a signal that does have an envelope roughly shaped like a BPF
although it's far from flat in the passband.

The amplitude of this is affected by the output power setting and is present
with the KPA500 in Standby.  It also seems to be thermally sensitive; becoming
less conspicuous the longer things run.

Wes  N7WS

.



From etksubs at gmail.com  Wed Jul 26 10:03:32 2017
From: etksubs at gmail.com (Erik Tkal)
Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2017 10:03:32 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Concerning Bioenno LiFePO4 Connectors
In-Reply-To: <CAFA9ujsCk0_JtT1+z40R9weh0QE5bP=PFiXYeUBoMXq4CAKUUw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFA9ujsCk0_JtT1+z40R9weh0QE5bP=PFiXYeUBoMXq4CAKUUw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9A7DF000-4CAD-4A0A-B0DC-A60BA6619A81@gmail.com>

I wonder how operating a rig with the battery connected to the charger affects the charger operation?  Does the charger perform the Constant Current charge and switch over to the trickle for LiFePo charging, or does the PCM manage that?  Would there be any adverse effects to the charger if the radio tries to draw too much?

  Thanks and 73,
  Erik Tkal  -  W1QED



On Jul 23, 2017, at 20:19, Kevin der Kinderen <kkinderen at gmail.com> wrote:

I asked Bioenno about the  use of the connectors and pointed out their site
shows the barrel is for charging and the Powerpoles are for discharging. I
was told this is not correct and that they will fix the information on
their site. They have a process to go through with their product people so
it won't happen quickly. However, they did update their FAQ section:

*LFP:  Why is there a separate DC barrel plug connector and PowerPole
Connector on my battery?  Can I charge through either connector? *

On our PVC Pack LiFePO4 batteries, there are two separate connectors.  The
first connector has a DC barrel plug and the second connector has an
Anderson Powerpole connector.  The two connectors are indeed wired in
parallel on the PCM (protection circuit module) that is integrated in every
single battery pack.  So it is perfectly okay and fine to charge through
the PowerPole connectors. Many customers requested two separate connectors
in the batteries, in order to keep the battery's charger attached to the
battery, such that the battery and charger can be stored in a portable
Go-Box.  At the same time, customers can leave the PowerPole connector
attached to the radio communications equipment, without having to
repeatedly disconnect the charger from the battery, and attach the radio
communications equipment.  However, we understand customers want to charge
through the Powerpole connectors and use various other third party
products.  We provided the two sets of connectors, simply for convenience
purposes.


The entire FAQ is found here:

https://bioennopower.com/pages/faq-lifepo4-batteries#c

73,

Kev K4VD
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From no9e at arrl.net  Wed Jul 26 11:56:21 2017
From: no9e at arrl.net (Ignacy)
Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2017 08:56:21 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 SHUTTING DOWN OPERATING JT65
In-Reply-To: <CAHaC9R9X70sJtQ=5eiv9jsVtf1NNapm=aKxv5vF-LDVoR03dtg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHaC9R9X70sJtQ=5eiv9jsVtf1NNapm=aKxv5vF-LDVoR03dtg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1501084581413-7632697.post@n2.nabble.com>

Older versions of K3 had a problem with a  trap or LPF in PA where at higher
frequencies and higher power the current increased to a point of PS
shutdown.  Contact Elecraft for a fix. 
Ignacy, NO9E



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From breedenwb at cableone.net  Wed Jul 26 12:09:57 2017
From: breedenwb at cableone.net (Bill Breeden)
Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2017 11:09:57 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] 1 Khz filter
In-Reply-To: <3a3a518e-fa29-be12-293e-6ec94e02bbca@audiosystemsgroup.com>
References: <ed52554401dee607bfd3b91b1fbba7bf.squirrel@www11.qth.com>
	<CAPkaV9Auj3vW5DJ=t2CP-Wb0c4C_fp4i2hYSRZPTMaaDAs8Pyw@mail.gmail.com>
	<c2b52d79-6c83-936a-65a0-c51410bf2152@flex.com>
	<0c081934-c631-ce54-aea9-d2a097a40ef2@cableone.net>
	<3a3a518e-fa29-be12-293e-6ec94e02bbca@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Message-ID: <270f17a0-5954-a39c-6bb2-ef2579f97d36@cableone.net>


Jim,

I think most K3 owners understand that.  Those who call CQ during 
crowded band conditions also understand that their ears will take less 
of a beating when using a 1 kHz DSP bandwidth in conjunction with a 1 
kHz roofing filter instead of the next wider roofing filter, which, in a 
K3 is often a 2.7 or 2.8 kHz filter.  That's the wonderful thing about a 
K3, the owner can equip it according to his or her personal preference.  
My ears have taking enough beatings over the years from stations outside 
of the filter bandwidth pumping the AGC while using lesser receivers to 
know that I prefer a tight roofing filter bandwidth so that the stations 
outside of my DSP bandwidth have minimal effect on what I am hearing.   
I have used my "Field Day" K3 to call CQ during crowd banded conditions 
before and after I added the 1 kHz filter and have found the improvement 
well worth the price of the filter.  Your mileage may vary.

73,

Bill - NA5DX

On 7/25/2017 10:08 PM, Jim Brown wrote:
> On 7/25/2017 7:11 PM, Bill Breeden wrote:
>> I found that I was missing stations that were calling on the skirts 
>> of my 400 Hz filter, so I added a 1 kHz filter.  When I tune the band 
>> to answer CQs I still prefer listen through the 400 Hz filter. 
>
> It's important to remember that IF bandwidth is determined by DSP, and 
> continuously adjustable. The plug-in filters are ROOFING filters -- 
> their primary function is to protect the DSP from overload by very 
> strong stations outside the bandwidth of the DSP IF. They have the 
> secondary function of adding the filtering provided by the DSP, and 
> when the DSP and the roofing filter are at the same bandwidth, the 
> filter skirts become steeper (sharper).
>
> Bottom line -- we don't need to buy a 1 kHz filter to get 1 kHz IF 
> bandwidth, because the DSP already provides that. This is not your 
> grandfather's radio! :)
>
> 73, Jim K9YC
>
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From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Wed Jul 26 13:16:35 2017
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2017 10:16:35 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] 1 Khz filter
In-Reply-To: <270f17a0-5954-a39c-6bb2-ef2579f97d36@cableone.net>
References: <ed52554401dee607bfd3b91b1fbba7bf.squirrel@www11.qth.com>
	<CAPkaV9Auj3vW5DJ=t2CP-Wb0c4C_fp4i2hYSRZPTMaaDAs8Pyw@mail.gmail.com>
	<c2b52d79-6c83-936a-65a0-c51410bf2152@flex.com>
	<0c081934-c631-ce54-aea9-d2a097a40ef2@cableone.net>
	<3a3a518e-fa29-be12-293e-6ec94e02bbca@audiosystemsgroup.com>
	<270f17a0-5954-a39c-6bb2-ef2579f97d36@cableone.net>
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On 7/26/2017 9:09 AM, Bill Breeden wrote:
> I have used my "Field Day" K3 to call CQ during crowd banded 
> conditions before and after I added the 1 kHz filter and have found 
> the improvement well worth the price of the filter.  Your mileage may 
> vary. 

While this is certainly a matter of operating preferences, my preference 
is not to bother with callers more than a few hundred Hz off frequency 
for at least three reasons. First, I've tried to protect my CQ frequency 
by keeping it active. If I work someone widely displaced, my frequency 
is unprotected while they're transmitting. Second, if they're that far 
off frequency, they're likely to be getting QRMed by a station on their 
frequency, which makes them hard to copy. Third, if they're that far off 
frequency, they're more likely to be lids, and thus more likely to take 
forever to finish a QSO.

For the same reasons, I won't respond to someone signing /QRP. Not 
because I don't want to take the time to work a weak station, but 
because that station signing /QRP is likely to be a lid. Indeed, by 
sending /QRP he/she is wasting time doing so by sending un-necessary 
information. I work a LOT of QRP, especially during DX contests, with 
more than 160 countries confirmed, but I've never signed /QRP.

73, Jim K9YC


From kkinderen at gmail.com  Wed Jul 26 13:46:59 2017
From: kkinderen at gmail.com (Kevin der Kinderen)
Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2017 13:46:59 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Concerning Bioenno LiFePO4 Connectors
In-Reply-To: <9A7DF000-4CAD-4A0A-B0DC-A60BA6619A81@gmail.com>
References: <CAFA9ujsCk0_JtT1+z40R9weh0QE5bP=PFiXYeUBoMXq4CAKUUw@mail.gmail.com>
	<9A7DF000-4CAD-4A0A-B0DC-A60BA6619A81@gmail.com>
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Hi Erik:

I don't know the answer. I suspect you cannot charge and discharge at the
same time. Bioenno's support has been pretty responsive so you might find
an answer there.

I believe Bioe is working on a product similar to the West Mountain PWRGate
but specifically for LiFe batteries. Then combining charge and discharge
makes more sense. I've run the PWRGate here with a marine battery for a
while. I could see tucking away a similar product for the LiFe batteries
into a go box.

The chargers I have I bought with the batteries. I leave them plugged in
and charging all the time ready for hitting the road.

Kev


On Wed, Jul 26, 2017 at 10:03 AM, Erik Tkal <etksubs at gmail.com> wrote:

> I wonder how operating a rig with the battery connected to the charger
> affects the charger operation?  Does the charger perform the Constant
> Current charge and switch over to the trickle for LiFePo charging, or does
> the PCM manage that?  Would there be any adverse effects to the charger if
> the radio tries to draw too much?
>
>   Thanks and 73,
>   Erik Tkal  -  W1QED
>
>
>
> On Jul 23, 2017, at 20:19, Kevin der Kinderen <kkinderen at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I asked Bioenno about the  use of the connectors and pointed out their site
> shows the barrel is for charging and the Powerpoles are for discharging. I
> was told this is not correct and that they will fix the information on
> their site. They have a process to go through with their product people so
> it won't happen quickly. However, they did update their FAQ section:
>
> *LFP:  Why is there a separate DC barrel plug connector and PowerPole
> Connector on my battery?  Can I charge through either connector? *
>
> On our PVC Pack LiFePO4 batteries, there are two separate connectors.  The
> first connector has a DC barrel plug and the second connector has an
> Anderson Powerpole connector.  The two connectors are indeed wired in
> parallel on the PCM (protection circuit module) that is integrated in every
> single battery pack.  So it is perfectly okay and fine to charge through
> the PowerPole connectors. Many customers requested two separate connectors
> in the batteries, in order to keep the battery's charger attached to the
> battery, such that the battery and charger can be stored in a portable
> Go-Box.  At the same time, customers can leave the PowerPole connector
> attached to the radio communications equipment, without having to
> repeatedly disconnect the charger from the battery, and attach the radio
> communications equipment.  However, we understand customers want to charge
> through the Powerpole connectors and use various other third party
> products.  We provided the two sets of connectors, simply for convenience
> purposes.
>
>
> The entire FAQ is found here:
>
> https://bioennopower.com/pages/faq-lifepo4-batteries#c
>
> 73,
>
> Kev K4VD
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From mathenyr at marietta.edu  Wed Jul 26 13:52:37 2017
From: mathenyr at marietta.edu (Ralph Matheny K8RYU)
Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2017 13:52:37 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Elecraft] 1Khz Filter..still looking
Message-ID: <1948470248.616950.1501091557696.JavaMail.zimbra@marietta.edu>



Still looking for a 1Khz filter.  As others have said, the 
filter keeps adjacent signals out of the K3 AGC and is
well worth the investment.

I have a K3 and a K3S....the K3s has my 1 Khz filter and
the K3 does not.  On Field Day when I used the K3 I really
missed the 1 Khz filter.

I usually set up about 800hz BW in the DSP and use the 
1 Khz filter to limit the crud DSP has to deal with.

Interesting to note...received several emails saying they 
have the filter, don't need it, yet none to sell it.....Hmmmmm.


de K8RYU


From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Wed Jul 26 13:57:47 2017
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2017 13:57:47 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Concerning Bioenno LiFePO4 Connectors
In-Reply-To: <9A7DF000-4CAD-4A0A-B0DC-A60BA6619A81@gmail.com>
References: <CAFA9ujsCk0_JtT1+z40R9weh0QE5bP=PFiXYeUBoMXq4CAKUUw@mail.gmail.com>
	<9A7DF000-4CAD-4A0A-B0DC-A60BA6619A81@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <45f04bc6-6162-fc01-5172-5956e852bbbe@embarqmail.com>

Erik,

I think that all depends on the charger used and its characteristics. 
Chargers have a higher voltage than the cell(s) being charged.  Elecraft 
gear is spec'ed for up to 15 volts, but make certain no part of the 
charging cycle will exceed that voltage - the charger manufacturer 
should have that spec.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 7/26/2017 10:03 AM, Erik Tkal wrote:
> I wonder how operating a rig with the battery connected to the charger affects the charger operation?  Does the charger perform the Constant Current charge and switch over to the trickle for LiFePo charging, or does the PCM manage that?  Would there be any adverse effects to the charger if the radio tries to draw too much?
> 
>    Thanks and 73,
>    Erik Tkal  -  W1QED
> 
> 
> 
> On Jul 23, 2017, at 20:19, Kevin der Kinderen <kkinderen at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I asked Bioenno about the  use of the connectors and pointed out their site
> shows the barrel is for charging and the Powerpoles are for discharging. I
> was told this is not correct and that they will fix the information on
> their site. They have a process to go through with their product people so
> it won't happen quickly. However, they did update their FAQ section:
> 
> *LFP:  Why is there a separate DC barrel plug connector and PowerPole
> Connector on my battery?  Can I charge through either connector? *
> 
> On our PVC Pack LiFePO4 batteries, there are two separate connectors.  The
> first connector has a DC barrel plug and the second connector has an
> Anderson Powerpole connector.  The two connectors are indeed wired in
> parallel on the PCM (protection circuit module) that is integrated in every
> single battery pack.  So it is perfectly okay and fine to charge through
> the PowerPole connectors. Many customers requested two separate connectors
> in the batteries, in order to keep the battery's charger attached to the
> battery, such that the battery and charger can be stored in a portable
> Go-Box.  At the same time, customers can leave the PowerPole connector
> attached to the radio communications equipment, without having to
> repeatedly disconnect the charger from the battery, and attach the radio
> communications equipment.  However, we understand customers want to charge
> through the Powerpole connectors and use various other third party
> products.  We provided the two sets of connectors, simply for convenience
> purposes.
> 
> 
> The entire FAQ is found here:
> 
> https://bioennopower.com/pages/faq-lifepo4-batteries#c
> 
> 73,
> 
> Kev K4VD
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From kengkopp at gmail.com  Wed Jul 26 14:33:15 2017
From: kengkopp at gmail.com (Ken G Kopp)
Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2017 12:33:15 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] Signing "/QRP"
In-Reply-To: <CAD4CdTMNZp2hRFjS97FwuRrYWNaPhkOe2GJN_H31pm_e41moFQ@mail.gmail.com>
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	<CAD4CdTPatnZKW=AxfKPJHfS-8GrZ7=rXroHbVgGCQAfjTitpkA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAD4CdTM593oZbRJZbTbU68r0G5PHSLG9=yqddG8RF1xJpGCnYQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAD4CdTMNZp2hRFjS97FwuRrYWNaPhkOe2GJN_H31pm_e41moFQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAD4CdTNGejZaA=rCq-jnupiWphWeKYRndxq1SFmUDD7Vfu2qug@mail.gmail.com>

I view it as a "I'm special ... Please take pitty on me - I -never- respond.

73

K0PP

From kkinderen at gmail.com  Wed Jul 26 14:42:38 2017
From: kkinderen at gmail.com (Kevin der Kinderen)
Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2017 14:42:38 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Signing "/QRP"
In-Reply-To: <CAD4CdTNGejZaA=rCq-jnupiWphWeKYRndxq1SFmUDD7Vfu2qug@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAD4CdTOMy6APKj+yG-8h8L-UKhP=asOoSXf8qDK-0B_gLh6xAw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAD4CdTPatnZKW=AxfKPJHfS-8GrZ7=rXroHbVgGCQAfjTitpkA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAD4CdTM593oZbRJZbTbU68r0G5PHSLG9=yqddG8RF1xJpGCnYQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAD4CdTMNZp2hRFjS97FwuRrYWNaPhkOe2GJN_H31pm_e41moFQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAD4CdTNGejZaA=rCq-jnupiWphWeKYRndxq1SFmUDD7Vfu2qug@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFA9ujt+t5D-HLegcgvW-MLP_M2pNDGegNa+Bt5M2vdVGf08QQ@mail.gmail.com>

I view it as an invitation or a challenge. I always respond.

73,
Kev K4VD

On Wed, Jul 26, 2017 at 2:33 PM, Ken G Kopp <kengkopp at gmail.com> wrote:

> I view it as a "I'm special ... Please take pitty on me - I -never-
> respond.
>
> 73
>
> K0PP
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From ctate at ewnetinc.com  Wed Jul 26 14:56:13 2017
From: ctate at ewnetinc.com (Chris Tate - N6WM)
Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2017 18:56:13 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Signing "/QRP"
In-Reply-To: <CAFA9ujt+t5D-HLegcgvW-MLP_M2pNDGegNa+Bt5M2vdVGf08QQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAD4CdTOMy6APKj+yG-8h8L-UKhP=asOoSXf8qDK-0B_gLh6xAw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAD4CdTPatnZKW=AxfKPJHfS-8GrZ7=rXroHbVgGCQAfjTitpkA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAD4CdTM593oZbRJZbTbU68r0G5PHSLG9=yqddG8RF1xJpGCnYQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAD4CdTMNZp2hRFjS97FwuRrYWNaPhkOe2GJN_H31pm_e41moFQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAD4CdTNGejZaA=rCq-jnupiWphWeKYRndxq1SFmUDD7Vfu2qug@mail.gmail.com>,
	<CAFA9ujt+t5D-HLegcgvW-MLP_M2pNDGegNa+Bt5M2vdVGf08QQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <236350B81BC09D42B8C3B41A97C654DD1FC75B04@AUSP01DAG0504.collaborationhost.net>

I dont care what they add as a designator as long as I get the q in the log.

If I was really bent out of shape I would log them and then email them later and make any elmery suggestions after the fact, in a nice way.  Calling them a lid would not fit that bill.

~C./WM
________________________________________
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] on behalf of Kevin der Kinderen [kkinderen at gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 11:42 AM
To: Ken G Kopp
Cc: Elecraft
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Signing "/QRP"

I view it as an invitation or a challenge. I always respond.

73,
Kev K4VD

On Wed, Jul 26, 2017 at 2:33 PM, Ken G Kopp <kengkopp at gmail.com> wrote:

> I view it as a "I'm special ... Please take pitty on me - I -never-
> respond.
>
> 73
>
> K0PP
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From k8mn at frontiernet.net  Wed Jul 26 14:59:02 2017
From: k8mn at frontiernet.net (Dave Heil)
Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2017 18:59:02 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Signing "/QRP"
In-Reply-To: <CAD4CdTNGejZaA=rCq-jnupiWphWeKYRndxq1SFmUDD7Vfu2qug@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAD4CdTOMy6APKj+yG-8h8L-UKhP=asOoSXf8qDK-0B_gLh6xAw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAD4CdTPatnZKW=AxfKPJHfS-8GrZ7=rXroHbVgGCQAfjTitpkA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAD4CdTM593oZbRJZbTbU68r0G5PHSLG9=yqddG8RF1xJpGCnYQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAD4CdTMNZp2hRFjS97FwuRrYWNaPhkOe2GJN_H31pm_e41moFQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAD4CdTNGejZaA=rCq-jnupiWphWeKYRndxq1SFmUDD7Vfu2qug@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <66ea33e3-355d-2855-69ea-1911d6d8c56a@frontiernet.net>

During my operations from Africa, I had a number of folks send duplicate 
QSLs stating that we'd not marked their QSLs with /QRP.  My view was 
that I couldn't certify that they were QRP as I wasn't in their shack. 
Only they could do that.  I didn't, however, object to any signing /QRP 
although it likely lessens their chances in a pileup.

Dave K8MN

On 26-Jul-17 18:33, Ken G Kopp wrote:
> I view it as a "I'm special ... Please take pitty on me - I -never- respond.
> 
> 73
> 
> K0PP
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From KY5G at montac.com  Wed Jul 26 15:27:03 2017
From: KY5G at montac.com (Clay Autery)
Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2017 14:27:03 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Concerning Bioenno LiFePO4 Connectors
In-Reply-To: <CAFA9ujspx9oB1B8nsagyWeOtyiVS65Xd6m3fa3XXPQcJ7Fmg2w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFA9ujsCk0_JtT1+z40R9weh0QE5bP=PFiXYeUBoMXq4CAKUUw@mail.gmail.com>
	<9A7DF000-4CAD-4A0A-B0DC-A60BA6619A81@gmail.com>
	<CAFA9ujspx9oB1B8nsagyWeOtyiVS65Xd6m3fa3XXPQcJ7Fmg2w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <655b58ab-a79f-468e-64cd-c0ded76417fe@montac.com>

Lead Acid are charged/discharged at the same time in cars, but this is a
different app...

Ideally, I want my radio (load) to ONLY see the battery, NOT the charge
current coming in.
Ideally, I would like to have switching circuitry that cut the charge
off while the load was present (idle OR xmit, programmable choice). 
With a recover to charge switch back when load (chosen) is once again
absent.  (Need a battery recover delay PRIOR to switch on to allow it to
stabilize BEFORE the charge circuitry starts sending to set voltage/current.
Probably NOT "needed", but I like to be "nice" to my batteries.... and I
like to be even "nicer" to my radio.  I want it to get PURE,
unadulterated DC.
But I am the weird guy...  I get that.  <smile>

73,

______________________
Clay Autery, KY5G
MONTAC Enterprises
(318) 518-1389

On 7/26/2017 12:46 PM, Kevin der Kinderen wrote:
> Hi Erik:
>
> I don't know the answer. I suspect you cannot charge and discharge at the
> same time. Bioenno's support has been pretty responsive so you might find
> an answer there.
>
> I believe Bioe is working on a product similar to the West Mountain PWRGate
> but specifically for LiFe batteries. Then combining charge and discharge
> makes more sense. I've run the PWRGate here with a marine battery for a
> while. I could see tucking away a similar product for the LiFe batteries
> into a go box.
>
> The chargers I have I bought with the batteries. I leave them plugged in
> and charging all the time ready for hitting the road.
>
> Kev

From nick at n6ol.us  Wed Jul 26 15:27:10 2017
From: nick at n6ol.us (Nicklas Johnson)
Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2017 15:27:10 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Signing "/QRP"
In-Reply-To: <236350B81BC09D42B8C3B41A97C654DD1FC75B04@AUSP01DAG0504.collaborationhost.net>
References: <CAD4CdTOMy6APKj+yG-8h8L-UKhP=asOoSXf8qDK-0B_gLh6xAw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAD4CdTPatnZKW=AxfKPJHfS-8GrZ7=rXroHbVgGCQAfjTitpkA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAD4CdTM593oZbRJZbTbU68r0G5PHSLG9=yqddG8RF1xJpGCnYQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAD4CdTMNZp2hRFjS97FwuRrYWNaPhkOe2GJN_H31pm_e41moFQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAD4CdTNGejZaA=rCq-jnupiWphWeKYRndxq1SFmUDD7Vfu2qug@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAFA9ujt+t5D-HLegcgvW-MLP_M2pNDGegNa+Bt5M2vdVGf08QQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<236350B81BC09D42B8C3B41A97C654DD1FC75B04@AUSP01DAG0504.collaborationhost.net>
Message-ID: <CA+ZptLm8DJXjdqyO2P__gSs34t57=2R02eXHuwJApaFqVc-gTA@mail.gmail.com>

I can't imagine any world in which I would get bent out of shape or
judgmental about someone signing /QRP.  I'm not in this hobby to see how
many people I can *refuse* to speak to, let alone for a reason that would
require my making assumptions about the mental or emotional state of a
stranger.  Part 97 says /QRP is a perfectly valid indicator, so there's
certainly no rule being broken.  So why on earth would I care?

I wouldn't get irate with someone for using a Marconi antenna, or critique
their use of a dipole instead of a Yagi, either.

   Nick

On 26 July 2017 at 14:56, Chris Tate - N6WM <ctate at ewnetinc.com> wrote:

> I dont care what they add as a designator as long as I get the q in the
> log.
>
> If I was really bent out of shape I would log them and then email them
> later and make any elmery suggestions after the fact, in a nice way.
> Calling them a lid would not fit that bill.
>
> ~C./WM
> ________________________________________
> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net]
> on behalf of Kevin der Kinderen [kkinderen at gmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 11:42 AM
> To: Ken G Kopp
> Cc: Elecraft
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Signing "/QRP"
>
> I view it as an invitation or a challenge. I always respond.
>
> 73,
> Kev K4VD
>
> On Wed, Jul 26, 2017 at 2:33 PM, Ken G Kopp <kengkopp at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I view it as a "I'm special ... Please take pitty on me - I -never-
> > respond.
> >
> > 73
> >
> > K0PP
> > ______________________________________________________________
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Saying something doesn't make it true.  Belief in something doesn't make it
real. And if you have to lie to support a position, that position is not
worth supporting.

From M0XDF at Alphadene.co.uk  Wed Jul 26 15:33:20 2017
From: M0XDF at Alphadene.co.uk (David Ferrington, M0XDF)
Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2017 20:33:20 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] Signing "/QRP"
In-Reply-To: <CA+ZptLm8DJXjdqyO2P__gSs34t57=2R02eXHuwJApaFqVc-gTA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAD4CdTOMy6APKj+yG-8h8L-UKhP=asOoSXf8qDK-0B_gLh6xAw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAD4CdTPatnZKW=AxfKPJHfS-8GrZ7=rXroHbVgGCQAfjTitpkA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAD4CdTM593oZbRJZbTbU68r0G5PHSLG9=yqddG8RF1xJpGCnYQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAD4CdTMNZp2hRFjS97FwuRrYWNaPhkOe2GJN_H31pm_e41moFQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAD4CdTNGejZaA=rCq-jnupiWphWeKYRndxq1SFmUDD7Vfu2qug@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAFA9ujt+t5D-HLegcgvW-MLP_M2pNDGegNa+Bt5M2vdVGf08QQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<236350B81BC09D42B8C3B41A97C654DD1FC75B04@AUSP01DAG0504.collaborationhost.net>
	<CA+ZptLm8DJXjdqyO2P__gSs34t57=2R02eXHuwJApaFqVc-gTA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <45644085-9DEF-4288-814D-67D4AFCD6808@Alphadene.co.uk>

Nick, in the UK, /QRP is NOT a valid suffix, so we do hear quite a few ops using it (and I would respond to them), but you shouldn?t hear one of us using it.

73 de David, M0XDF (K3 #174, P3 #108)
-- 
Life is an eternal challenge, a variant on Maeterlinck's theme that the Bluebird of happiness is by the side of each and everyone of us, always within reach, yet, if pursued to catch and possess is beyond our grasp. - Donald Campbell, CBE. (1921-1967)

> On 26 Jul 2017, at 20:27, Nicklas Johnson <nick at n6ol.us> wrote:
> 
> I can't imagine any world in which I would get bent out of shape or
> judgmental about someone signing /QRP.  I'm not in this hobby to see how
> many people I can *refuse* to speak to, let alone for a reason that would
> require my making assumptions about the mental or emotional state of a
> stranger.  Part 97 says /QRP is a perfectly valid indicator, so there's
> certainly no rule being broken.  So why on earth would I care?
> 
> I wouldn't get irate with someone for using a Marconi antenna, or critique
> their use of a dipole instead of a Yagi, either.
> 
>   Nick
> 
> On 26 July 2017 at 14:56, Chris Tate - N6WM <ctate at ewnetinc.com> wrote:
> 
>> I dont care what they add as a designator as long as I get the q in the
>> log.
>> 
>> If I was really bent out of shape I would log them and then email them
>> later and make any elmery suggestions after the fact, in a nice way.
>> Calling them a lid would not fit that bill.
>> 
>> ~C./WM
>> ________________________________________
>> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net]
>> on behalf of Kevin der Kinderen [kkinderen at gmail.com]
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 11:42 AM
>> To: Ken G Kopp
>> Cc: Elecraft
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Signing "/QRP"
>> 
>> I view it as an invitation or a challenge. I always respond.
>> 
>> 73,
>> Kev K4VD
>> 
>> On Wed, Jul 26, 2017 at 2:33 PM, Ken G Kopp <kengkopp at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> I view it as a "I'm special ... Please take pitty on me - I -never-
>>> respond.
>>> 
>>> 73
>>> 
>>> K0PP
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> 
> 
> 
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> worth supporting.
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From KY5G at montac.com  Wed Jul 26 15:33:12 2017
From: KY5G at montac.com (Clay Autery)
Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2017 14:33:12 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Signing "/QRP"
In-Reply-To: <CA+ZptLm8DJXjdqyO2P__gSs34t57=2R02eXHuwJApaFqVc-gTA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAD4CdTOMy6APKj+yG-8h8L-UKhP=asOoSXf8qDK-0B_gLh6xAw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAD4CdTPatnZKW=AxfKPJHfS-8GrZ7=rXroHbVgGCQAfjTitpkA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAD4CdTM593oZbRJZbTbU68r0G5PHSLG9=yqddG8RF1xJpGCnYQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAD4CdTMNZp2hRFjS97FwuRrYWNaPhkOe2GJN_H31pm_e41moFQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAD4CdTNGejZaA=rCq-jnupiWphWeKYRndxq1SFmUDD7Vfu2qug@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAFA9ujt+t5D-HLegcgvW-MLP_M2pNDGegNa+Bt5M2vdVGf08QQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<236350B81BC09D42B8C3B41A97C654DD1FC75B04@AUSP01DAG0504.collaborationhost.net>
	<CA+ZptLm8DJXjdqyO2P__gSs34t57=2R02eXHuwJApaFqVc-gTA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <fcfb01ec-6fb2-74f6-31b0-a8480ee40778@montac.com>

My sentiments exactly.  Thank you!

______________________
Clay Autery, KY5G
MONTAC Enterprises
(318) 518-1389

On 7/26/2017 2:27 PM, Nicklas Johnson wrote:
> I can't imagine any world in which I would get bent out of shape or
> judgmental about someone signing /QRP.  I'm not in this hobby to see how
> many people I can *refuse* to speak to, let alone for a reason that would
> require my making assumptions about the mental or emotional state of a
> stranger.  Part 97 says /QRP is a perfectly valid indicator, so there's
> certainly no rule being broken.  So why on earth would I care?
>
> I wouldn't get irate with someone for using a Marconi antenna, or critique
> their use of a dipole instead of a Yagi, either.
>
>    Nick
>

From wb3aal at verizon.net  Wed Jul 26 15:33:14 2017
From: wb3aal at verizon.net (Ron Polityka)
Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2017 15:33:14 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Signing "/QRP"
In-Reply-To: <CAD4CdTNGejZaA=rCq-jnupiWphWeKYRndxq1SFmUDD7Vfu2qug@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAD4CdTOMy6APKj+yG-8h8L-UKhP=asOoSXf8qDK-0B_gLh6xAw@mail.gmail.com>	<CAD4CdTPatnZKW=AxfKPJHfS-8GrZ7=rXroHbVgGCQAfjTitpkA@mail.gmail.com>	<CAD4CdTM593oZbRJZbTbU68r0G5PHSLG9=yqddG8RF1xJpGCnYQ@mail.gmail.com>	<CAD4CdTMNZp2hRFjS97FwuRrYWNaPhkOe2GJN_H31pm_e41moFQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAD4CdTNGejZaA=rCq-jnupiWphWeKYRndxq1SFmUDD7Vfu2qug@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <001301d30646$06399230$12acb690$@verizon.net>

Hello,

 I operate QRP 99% of the time.

I never sign /QRP. It takes skill while operating QRP, 5W CW or SSB, to snag
a QSO that is local in the U.S.A. or a DX station.

73
Ron Polityka
WB3AAL
K2 & K1 owner

-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net
[mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Ken G Kopp
Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 2:33 PM
To: Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: [Elecraft] Signing "/QRP"

I view it as a "I'm special ... Please take pitty on me - I -never- respond.

73

K0PP
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From john at kk9a.com  Wed Jul 26 15:36:37 2017
From: john at kk9a.com (john at kk9a.com)
Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2017 15:36:37 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft]  1 Khz filter
Message-ID: <8563c1ae0f5cd0c166eb769990aec9db.squirrel@www11.qth.com>

I still cannot imagine using that wide of a filter on CW during crowded
band conditions however everyone has their preference. I was curious what
the 1khz filter was used for so I posted the question. The popular answer
was CW.  500Hz max is plenty wide for me and in a contest and I often have
other stations running on my filter edges. The same thing occurs on RTTY.
For non-contest expedition style operating I prefer to use the RIT when
too many stations call zero beat.

John KK9A aka P40A, WP2AA etc


Bill Breeden wrote:
Wed Jul 26 12:09:57 EDT 2017

Jim,

I think most K3 owners understand that.  Those who call CQ during
crowded band conditions also understand that their ears will take less
of a beating when using a 1 kHz DSP bandwidth in conjunction with a 1
kHz roofing filter instead of the next wider roofing filter, which, in a
K3 is often a 2.7 or 2.8 kHz filter.  That's the wonderful thing about a
K3, the owner can equip it according to his or her personal preference.
My ears have taking enough beatings over the years from stations outside
of the filter bandwidth pumping the AGC while using lesser receivers to
know that I prefer a tight roofing filter bandwidth so that the stations
outside of my DSP bandwidth have minimal effect on what I am hearing.
I have used my "Field Day" K3 to call CQ during crowd banded conditions
before and after I added the 1 kHz filter and have found the improvement
well worth the price of the filter.  Your mileage may vary.

73,

Bill - NA5DX

On 7/25/2017 10:08 PM, Jim Brown wrote:
> On 7/25/2017 7:11 PM, Bill Breeden wrote:
>> I found that I was missing stations that were calling on the skirts
>> of my 400 Hz filter, so I added a 1 kHz filter.  When I tune the band
>> to answer CQs I still prefer listen through the 400 Hz filter.
>
> It's important to remember that IF bandwidth is determined by DSP, and
> continuously adjustable. The plug-in filters are ROOFING filters --
> their primary function is to protect the DSP from overload by very
> strong stations outside the bandwidth of the DSP IF. They have the
> secondary function of adding the filtering provided by the DSP, and
> when the DSP and the roofing filter are at the same bandwidth, the
> filter skirts become steeper (sharper).
>
> Bottom line -- we don't need to buy a 1 kHz filter to get 1 kHz IF
> bandwidth, because the DSP already provides that. This is not your
> grandfather's radio! :)
>
> 73, Jim K9YC


From lists at subich.com  Wed Jul 26 15:40:46 2017
From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV)
Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2017 15:40:46 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Signing "/QRP"
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On 7/26/2017 3:27 PM, Nicklas Johnson wrote:
 > I can't imagine any world in which I would get bent out of shape or
 > judgmental about someone signing /QRP.

Signing "/QRP" is just another manifestation of entitlement.  It is a
way of saying "I'm different and I demand special treatment."

It's the operator's choice to operate QRP (just a I choose to operate
with 100 Watts and simple antennas at the present time) but that does
not convey any special status, the right to demand that other operators
acknowledge that choice, or the right to demand that other operators
make a special effort "to work the weak station."

In a way, operating QRP is like other life choices ... keep it in your
shack and don't wave your flag in the face of others like a red cape in
front of a bull.

73,

    ... Joe, W4TV


On 7/26/2017 3:27 PM, Nicklas Johnson wrote:
> I can't imagine any world in which I would get bent out of shape or
> judgmental about someone signing /QRP.  I'm not in this hobby to see how
> many people I can *refuse* to speak to, let alone for a reason that would
> require my making assumptions about the mental or emotional state of a
> stranger.  Part 97 says /QRP is a perfectly valid indicator, so there's
> certainly no rule being broken.  So why on earth would I care?
> 
> I wouldn't get irate with someone for using a Marconi antenna, or critique
> their use of a dipole instead of a Yagi, either.
> 
>     Nick
> 
> On 26 July 2017 at 14:56, Chris Tate - N6WM <ctate at ewnetinc.com> wrote:
> 
>> I dont care what they add as a designator as long as I get the q in the
>> log.
>>
>> If I was really bent out of shape I would log them and then email them
>> later and make any elmery suggestions after the fact, in a nice way.
>> Calling them a lid would not fit that bill.
>>
>> ~C./WM
>> ________________________________________
>> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net]
>> on behalf of Kevin der Kinderen [kkinderen at gmail.com]
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 11:42 AM
>> To: Ken G Kopp
>> Cc: Elecraft
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Signing "/QRP"
>>
>> I view it as an invitation or a challenge. I always respond.
>>
>> 73,
>> Kev K4VD
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 26, 2017 at 2:33 PM, Ken G Kopp <kengkopp at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I view it as a "I'm special ... Please take pitty on me - I -never-
>>> respond.
>>>
>>> 73
>>>
>>> K0PP
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> 
> 
> 

From dave at nk7z.net  Wed Jul 26 15:44:54 2017
From: dave at nk7z.net (Dave Cole)
Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2017 12:44:54 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Signing "/QRP"
In-Reply-To: <b184b20c-02ba-072f-8896-9c85b6c46ee5@subich.com>
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Message-ID: <574fcf01-d6fb-a198-774d-87c30d9ed8bd@nk7z.net>

My guess is that this is going to be yet another OFF TOPIC threads that 
won't die.

73s and thanks,
Dave
NK7Z
http://www.nk7z.net

On 07/26/2017 12:40 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:
> On 7/26/2017 3:27 PM, Nicklas Johnson wrote:
>  > I can't imagine any world in which I would get bent out of shape or
>  > judgmental about someone signing /QRP.
> 
> Signing "/QRP" is just another manifestation of entitlement.  It is a
> way of saying "I'm different and I demand special treatment."
> 
> It's the operator's choice to operate QRP (just a I choose to operate
> with 100 Watts and simple antennas at the present time) but that does
> not convey any special status, the right to demand that other operators
> acknowledge that choice, or the right to demand that other operators
> make a special effort "to work the weak station."
> 
> In a way, operating QRP is like other life choices ... keep it in your
> shack and don't wave your flag in the face of others like a red cape in
> front of a bull.
> 
> 73,
> 
>     ... Joe, W4TV
> 
> 
> On 7/26/2017 3:27 PM, Nicklas Johnson wrote:
>> I can't imagine any world in which I would get bent out of shape or
>> judgmental about someone signing /QRP.  I'm not in this hobby to see how
>> many people I can *refuse* to speak to, let alone for a reason that would
>> require my making assumptions about the mental or emotional state of a
>> stranger.  Part 97 says /QRP is a perfectly valid indicator, so there's
>> certainly no rule being broken.  So why on earth would I care?
>>
>> I wouldn't get irate with someone for using a Marconi antenna, or 
>> critique
>> their use of a dipole instead of a Yagi, either.
>>
>>     Nick
>>
>> On 26 July 2017 at 14:56, Chris Tate - N6WM <ctate at ewnetinc.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I dont care what they add as a designator as long as I get the q in the
>>> log.
>>>
>>> If I was really bent out of shape I would log them and then email them
>>> later and make any elmery suggestions after the fact, in a nice way.
>>> Calling them a lid would not fit that bill.
>>>
>>> ~C./WM
>>> ________________________________________
>>> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net 
>>> [elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net]
>>> on behalf of Kevin der Kinderen [kkinderen at gmail.com]
>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 11:42 AM
>>> To: Ken G Kopp
>>> Cc: Elecraft
>>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Signing "/QRP"
>>>
>>> I view it as an invitation or a challenge. I always respond.
>>>
>>> 73,
>>> Kev K4VD
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 26, 2017 at 2:33 PM, Ken G Kopp <kengkopp at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I view it as a "I'm special ... Please take pitty on me - I -never-
>>>> respond.
>>>>
>>>> 73
>>>>
>>>> K0PP
>>>> ______________________________________________________________
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>>
>>
>>
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From davebelville at gmail.com  Wed Jul 26 15:54:33 2017
From: davebelville at gmail.com (Dave Belville)
Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2017 14:54:33 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Signing "/QRP"
In-Reply-To: <574fcf01-d6fb-a198-774d-87c30d9ed8bd@nk7z.net>
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You're right Dave. When did this list become a court used to judge people?
If you don't want to answer someone signing/qrp, then don't! You are in
control and there is probably a big knob on your rig that you can turn. I
would ask the moderators to kill this thread. It is silly and childish.

Dave
KD9VT

On Wed, Jul 26, 2017 at 2:44 PM, Dave Cole <dave at nk7z.net> wrote:

> My guess is that this is going to be yet another OFF TOPIC threads that
> won't die.
>
> 73s and thanks,
> Dave
> NK7Z
> http://www.nk7z.net
>
> On 07/26/2017 12:40 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:
>
>> On 7/26/2017 3:27 PM, Nicklas Johnson wrote:
>>  > I can't imagine any world in which I would get bent out of shape or
>>  > judgmental about someone signing /QRP.
>>
>> Signing "/QRP" is just another manifestation of entitlement.  It is a
>> way of saying "I'm different and I demand special treatment."
>>
>> It's the operator's choice to operate QRP (just a I choose to operate
>> with 100 Watts and simple antennas at the present time) but that does
>> not convey any special status, the right to demand that other operators
>> acknowledge that choice, or the right to demand that other operators
>> make a special effort "to work the weak station."
>>
>> In a way, operating QRP is like other life choices ... keep it in your
>> shack and don't wave your flag in the face of others like a red cape in
>> front of a bull.
>>
>> 73,
>>
>>     ... Joe, W4TV
>>
>>
>> On 7/26/2017 3:27 PM, Nicklas Johnson wrote:
>>
>>> I can't imagine any world in which I would get bent out of shape or
>>> judgmental about someone signing /QRP.  I'm not in this hobby to see how
>>> many people I can *refuse* to speak to, let alone for a reason that would
>>> require my making assumptions about the mental or emotional state of a
>>> stranger.  Part 97 says /QRP is a perfectly valid indicator, so there's
>>> certainly no rule being broken.  So why on earth would I care?
>>>
>>> I wouldn't get irate with someone for using a Marconi antenna, or
>>> critique
>>> their use of a dipole instead of a Yagi, either.
>>>
>>>     Nick
>>>
>>> On 26 July 2017 at 14:56, Chris Tate - N6WM <ctate at ewnetinc.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I dont care what they add as a designator as long as I get the q in the
>>>> log.
>>>>
>>>> If I was really bent out of shape I would log them and then email them
>>>> later and make any elmery suggestions after the fact, in a nice way.
>>>> Calling them a lid would not fit that bill.
>>>>
>>>> ~C./WM
>>>> ________________________________________
>>>> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.
>>>> net]
>>>> on behalf of Kevin der Kinderen [kkinderen at gmail.com]
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 11:42 AM
>>>> To: Ken G Kopp
>>>> Cc: Elecraft
>>>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Signing "/QRP"
>>>>
>>>> I view it as an invitation or a challenge. I always respond.
>>>>
>>>> 73,
>>>> Kev K4VD
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Jul 26, 2017 at 2:33 PM, Ken G Kopp <kengkopp at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I view it as a "I'm special ... Please take pitty on me - I -never-
>>>>> respond.
>>>>>
>>>>> 73
>>>>>
>>>>> K0PP
>>>>> ______________________________________________________________
>>>>> Elecraft mailing list
>>>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
>>>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
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>>>>>
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>>>
>>>
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From wmgoins at gmail.com  Wed Jul 26 15:54:55 2017
From: wmgoins at gmail.com (Michael Goins)
Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2017 14:54:55 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Signing "/QRP"
In-Reply-To: <574fcf01-d6fb-a198-774d-87c30d9ed8bd@nk7z.net>
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I operated qrp exclusively for 25 years or so chasing DX and I also never
liked hearing the qrp tag on the end. To me, it was a way of trying to get
special treatment - sort of like cheating to me - and I never did it. The
thrill was in the chase and either finding someone down in the mud others
might be passing over and working them qrp or getting through pileups with
skill and not mega-power.

That said, it was fun when I worked a friend's station and got through the
pileup on the first or second call - at least for a while. Now I'm 1 watt
to 500 and I'm finally in a good place location-wise. Unfortunately, the
bands aren't so good, so I operate as conditions require.

Mike, k5wmg




On Wed, Jul 26, 2017 at 2:44 PM, Dave Cole <dave at nk7z.net> wrote:

> My guess is that this is going to be yet another OFF TOPIC threads that
> won't die.
>
> 73s and thanks,
> Dave
> NK7Z
> http://www.nk7z.net
>
> On 07/26/2017 12:40 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:
>
>> On 7/26/2017 3:27 PM, Nicklas Johnson wrote:
>>  > I can't imagine any world in which I would get bent out of shape or
>>  > judgmental about someone signing /QRP.
>>
>> Signing "/QRP" is just another manifestation of entitlement.  It is a
>> way of saying "I'm different and I demand special treatment."
>>
>> It's the operator's choice to operate QRP (just a I choose to operate
>> with 100 Watts and simple antennas at the present time) but that does
>> not convey any special status, the right to demand that other operators
>> acknowledge that choice, or the right to demand that other operators
>> make a special effort "to work the weak station."
>>
>> In a way, operating QRP is like other life choices ... keep it in your
>> shack and don't wave your flag in the face of others like a red cape in
>> front of a bull.
>>
>> 73,
>>
>>     ... Joe, W4TV
>>
>>
>> On 7/26/2017 3:27 PM, Nicklas Johnson wrote:
>>
>>> I can't imagine any world in which I would get bent out of shape or
>>> judgmental about someone signing /QRP.  I'm not in this hobby to see how
>>> many people I can *refuse* to speak to, let alone for a reason that would
>>> require my making assumptions about the mental or emotional state of a
>>> stranger.  Part 97 says /QRP is a perfectly valid indicator, so there's
>>> certainly no rule being broken.  So why on earth would I care?
>>>
>>> I wouldn't get irate with someone for using a Marconi antenna, or
>>> critique
>>> their use of a dipole instead of a Yagi, either.
>>>
>>>     Nick
>>>
>>> On 26 July 2017 at 14:56, Chris Tate - N6WM <ctate at ewnetinc.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I dont care what they add as a designator as long as I get the q in the
>>>> log.
>>>>
>>>> If I was really bent out of shape I would log them and then email them
>>>> later and make any elmery suggestions after the fact, in a nice way.
>>>> Calling them a lid would not fit that bill.
>>>>
>>>> ~C./WM
>>>> ________________________________________
>>>> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.
>>>> net]
>>>> on behalf of Kevin der Kinderen [kkinderen at gmail.com]
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 11:42 AM
>>>> To: Ken G Kopp
>>>> Cc: Elecraft
>>>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Signing "/QRP"
>>>>
>>>> I view it as an invitation or a challenge. I always respond.
>>>>
>>>> 73,
>>>> Kev K4VD
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Jul 26, 2017 at 2:33 PM, Ken G Kopp <kengkopp at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I view it as a "I'm special ... Please take pitty on me - I -never-
>>>>> respond.
>>>>>
>>>>> 73
>>>>>
>>>>> K0PP
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From nick at n6ol.us  Wed Jul 26 15:56:02 2017
From: nick at n6ol.us (Nicklas Johnson)
Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2017 15:56:02 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Signing "/QRP"
In-Reply-To: <b184b20c-02ba-072f-8896-9c85b6c46ee5@subich.com>
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On 26 July 2017 at 15:40, Joe Subich, W4TV <lists at subich.com> wrote:

>
> Signing "/QRP" is just another manifestation of entitlement.  It is a
> way of saying "I'm different and I demand special treatment."
>
>
?I think you are reading waaaaaay more into it than what is actually
there.?  Different, sure, but it's equally plausible to interpret it as a
pre-emptive explanation for having a weaker signal (or an inability to
transmit with any more power) or even just as a throwaway "gee whiz"
factoid about what they're doing.  I'm unwilling to assume what someone
else's motives must be when I can immediately imagine multiple different
reasons why someone might do a thing.  When I see a call sign coming across
from someone I don't know, I can't ascribe some special meaning to their
indicator without more information; all QRP tells me is that they're
(probably) using low power, not WHY they're using low power or WHY they're
telling me about it.

For me to assume what their motivation might be would require my making
assumptions about them and their reasoning process, which is information I
absolutely do not have.

Maybe I'll start signing N6OL/PIE when I'm having pizza.  There's just as
much reason to get mad about that.

   Nick

From n6kr at elecraft.com  Wed Jul 26 15:57:13 2017
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2017 12:57:13 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Signing "/QRP"
In-Reply-To: <CA+ZptLm8DJXjdqyO2P__gSs34t57=2R02eXHuwJApaFqVc-gTA@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <1B382392-C359-4437-9387-7FDED45AF5C4@elecraft.com>

Signing /QRP tells the other station at least two things: (1) your signal is weak because of power level, not propagation, so they don?t have to worry that you can?t copy them; and (2) you?re really excited to work them, even if they?re local :) 

For many of us, it?s this enthusiasm and extra effort on both sides that makes QRP contacts enjoyable, at times even mystical. It?s a spontaneous team effort, like quantum entanglement.

Example: I had QSO on 15 meters with Rwanda (from Arizona) running 200 mW to an 8? wire running directly to the back of a Safari 4. There is no question that *both* of us were ecstatic after he finally copied my callsign.

?/QRP? also often means ?I built my own radio!? or ?I?m reducing my carbon footprint!? (In my case, both.)

I greatly appreciate it when another station accepts the challenge and opportunity presented by QRP.

72,
Wayne
N6KR


> On Jul 26, 2017, at 12:27 PM, Nicklas Johnson <nick at n6ol.us> wrote:
> 
> I can't imagine any world in which I would get bent out of shape or
> judgmental about someone signing /QRP.  I'm not in this hobby to see how
> many people I can *refuse* to speak to, let alone for a reason that would
> require my making assumptions about the mental or emotional state of a
> stranger.  Part 97 says /QRP is a perfectly valid indicator, so there's
> certainly no rule being broken.  So why on earth would I care?
> 
> I wouldn't get irate with someone for using a Marconi antenna, or critique
> their use of a dipole instead of a Yagi, either.
> 
>   Nick
> 
> On 26 July 2017 at 14:56, Chris Tate - N6WM <ctate at ewnetinc.com> wrote:
> 
>> I dont care what they add as a designator as long as I get the q in the
>> log.
>> 
>> If I was really bent out of shape I would log them and then email them
>> later and make any elmery suggestions after the fact, in a nice way.
>> Calling them a lid would not fit that bill.
>> 
>> ~C./WM
>> ________________________________________
>> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net]
>> on behalf of Kevin der Kinderen [kkinderen at gmail.com]
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 11:42 AM
>> To: Ken G Kopp
>> Cc: Elecraft
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Signing "/QRP"
>> 
>> I view it as an invitation or a challenge. I always respond.
>> 
>> 73,
>> Kev K4VD
>> 
>> On Wed, Jul 26, 2017 at 2:33 PM, Ken G Kopp <kengkopp at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> I view it as a "I'm special ... Please take pitty on me - I -never-
>>> respond.
>>> 
>>> 73
>>> 
>>> K0PP
>>> ______________________________________________________________
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>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
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>> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> *N6OL*
> Saying something doesn't make it true.  Belief in something doesn't make it
> real. And if you have to lie to support a position, that position is not
> worth supporting.
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From mike.flowers at gmail.com  Wed Jul 26 16:02:49 2017
From: mike.flowers at gmail.com (Mike Flowers)
Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2017 13:02:49 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Signing "/QRP"
In-Reply-To: <CA+ZptLnUvc9uErGT2+UpS4PJMLO-NyohnkgCaJcqd7hU9xyziQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAD4CdTOMy6APKj+yG-8h8L-UKhP=asOoSXf8qDK-0B_gLh6xAw@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <84891457-4DAF-42FE-8A64-0E301005F5D8@gmail.com>

Work 'em, Log 'em, move on ...

It's a hobby ...

-- Mike Flowers, K6MKF, NCDXC - "It's about DX!"

> On Jul 26, 2017, at 12:56 PM, Nicklas Johnson <nick at n6ol.us> wrote:
> 
>> On 26 July 2017 at 15:40, Joe Subich, W4TV <lists at subich.com> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Signing "/QRP" is just another manifestation of entitlement.  It is a
>> way of saying "I'm different and I demand special treatment."
>> 
>> 
> ?I think you are reading waaaaaay more into it than what is actually
> there.?  Different, sure, but it's equally plausible to interpret it as a
> pre-emptive explanation for having a weaker signal (or an inability to
> transmit with any more power) or even just as a throwaway "gee whiz"
> factoid about what they're doing.  I'm unwilling to assume what someone
> else's motives must be when I can immediately imagine multiple different
> reasons why someone might do a thing.  When I see a call sign coming across
> from someone I don't know, I can't ascribe some special meaning to their
> indicator without more information; all QRP tells me is that they're
> (probably) using low power, not WHY they're using low power or WHY they're
> telling me about it.
> 
> For me to assume what their motivation might be would require my making
> assumptions about them and their reasoning process, which is information I
> absolutely do not have.
> 
> Maybe I'll start signing N6OL/PIE when I'm having pizza.  There's just as
> much reason to get mad about that.
> 
>   Nick
> ______________________________________________________________
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From kengkopp at gmail.com  Wed Jul 26 16:06:11 2017
From: kengkopp at gmail.com (Ken G Kopp)
Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2017 14:06:11 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] OT - Signing "/QRP"
In-Reply-To: <CAD4CdTNHM49-puYdqvR_CuOXzariDoGXZ8SqUPA22phNBzOo=w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAD4CdTMEYPoK6vJoF5_B9_o+mMVfRXEngs4-+XpSw3y5deF7pQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Guys ... I simply forgot to add the "OT" prefix to my message.  I apologise.

Some of the responses indeed show there are chains waiting to be yanked.
(;-))

Now, let's all let the matter die ...

73

K0PP

From n6kr at elecraft.com  Wed Jul 26 16:10:08 2017
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2017 13:10:08 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] OT - Signing "/QRP"
In-Reply-To: <CAD4CdTOushp746qDtX3u3KH36xk5B9qSvA_p6LHTcpaDKeU_hg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAD4CdTMEYPoK6vJoF5_B9_o+mMVfRXEngs4-+XpSw3y5deF7pQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <C02EBEC8-44F0-4714-B8A6-164D9601937C@elecraft.com>

Hi Ken,

If and when I yank your chain, I?ll be using very little force. Something in the milli-Newtons. If you feel it, let me know ;)

Wayne
N6KR


> On Jul 26, 2017, at 1:06 PM, Ken G Kopp <kengkopp at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Guys ... I simply forgot to add the "OT" prefix to my message.  I apologise.
> 
> Some of the responses indeed show there are chains waiting to be yanked.
> (;-))
> 
> Now, let's all let the matter die ...
> 
> 73
> 
> K0PP




From buddys70 at gmail.com  Wed Jul 26 16:32:10 2017
From: buddys70 at gmail.com (buddy s)
Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2017 15:32:10 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 SHUTTING DOWN OPERATING JT65 (Nr4c)
Message-ID: <CAHaC9R9weFxQzFv9ryWaRLG+nmHM2xC94miD=KHX=dZykqFWYA@mail.gmail.com>

de w3bs ...

my problem was the "power pole connectors".  made a new cable with 45amp
connectors, and i am fine.  also, ordered the factory made cable, for good
measure.

73
buddy

From aa4r at chartermi.net  Wed Jul 26 16:42:33 2017
From: aa4r at chartermi.net (Bill Parris)
Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2017 16:42:33 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S & P3 for Sale
Message-ID: <002201d3064f$b51e20f0$1f5a62d0$@chartermi.net>

K3S & P3 factory assembled for sale.  Serial Nr 10244, purchased 8/26/15 at
a cost of $6,069.  ATU & 100w upgrade.  Includes second receiver, hand mic,
general coverage RX module, Digital voice recorder, 2.7 kHz 5 pole filter,
2.1 kHz, 8 pole roofing filter, 250, 400 & 6 kHz 8 pole filters.  Like new
condition.  Includes Fred Cady's new K3s book   Total package $4,300 plus
shipping.  Contact Bill, AA4R at 231-352-7093 or aa4r at chartermi.net


From k9yeq at live.com  Wed Jul 26 16:54:27 2017
From: k9yeq at live.com (Bill Johnson)
Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2017 20:54:27 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Signing "/QRP"
In-Reply-To: <CAMkviChJ96U2keRkFZZvdcfCnYgKc6x5MdW97E5fYP-2Sgcf7Q@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <RO1P152MB090729983840FE7A721ADC8F9CB90@RO1P152MB0907.LAMP152.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

Mike,
Just as we all should.  Regulations are such.  Who really cares the power; it's the contact.  I love <100 mw when it works.  I usually don't bother with the suffix unless it is meaningful and I can claim it once contact is made and is solid.

73,
Bill
K9YEQ

-----Original Message-----

...the bands aren't so good, so I operate as conditions require.

Mike, k5wmg



From tommy58 at hvc.rr.com  Wed Jul 26 18:01:05 2017
From: tommy58 at hvc.rr.com (Tommy)
Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2017 18:01:05 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Signing "/QRP"
In-Reply-To: <b184b20c-02ba-072f-8896-9c85b6c46ee5@subich.com>
References: <CAD4CdTOMy6APKj+yG-8h8L-UKhP=asOoSXf8qDK-0B_gLh6xAw@mail.gmail.com>
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	<CAD4CdTM593oZbRJZbTbU68r0G5PHSLG9=yqddG8RF1xJpGCnYQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAD4CdTMNZp2hRFjS97FwuRrYWNaPhkOe2GJN_H31pm_e41moFQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAD4CdTNGejZaA=rCq-jnupiWphWeKYRndxq1SFmUDD7Vfu2qug@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAFA9ujt+t5D-HLegcgvW-MLP_M2pNDGegNa+Bt5M2vdVGf08QQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<236350B81BC09D42B8C3B41A97C654DD1FC75B04@AUSP01DAG0504.collaborationhost.net>
	<CA+ZptLm8DJXjdqyO2P__gSs34t57=2R02eXHuwJApaFqVc-gTA@mail.gmail.com>
	<b184b20c-02ba-072f-8896-9c85b6c46ee5@subich.com>
Message-ID: <6c955a34-4cc9-e77d-da8f-56a954de464d@hvc.rr.com>

       I respectfully disagree.  Why do you think people adding /QRP 
want to be treated different or think that they're special? I don't 
sense that at all.

It's just to let people know they're using low power. No big deal! It 
doesn't bother me. Although I personally don't add anything after my 
call on air.

73!

Tom - KB2SMS

KX2 #01927


On 07/26/2017 03:40 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:
> On 7/26/2017 3:27 PM, Nicklas Johnson wrote:
>
>
> Signing "/QRP" is just another manifestation of entitlement.  It is a
> way of saying "I'm different and I demand special treatment."
>
> 73,
>
>    ... Joe, W4TV
>


From frantz at pwpconsult.com  Wed Jul 26 18:07:58 2017
From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz)
Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2017 15:07:58 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Concerning Bioenno LiFePO4 Connectors
In-Reply-To: <9A7DF000-4CAD-4A0A-B0DC-A60BA6619A81@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <r470Ps-10126i-21617F7FF3574A09B9A6F9AE3EC63CF8@Williams-MacBook-Pro.local>

I have some computer uses for charge and use at the same time. 
To keep it on topic, if the Elecraft radios had enough battery 
power to cleanly shutdown, then we wouldn't lose frequencies 
etc. when the power failed. It wouldn't take much battery either.

73 Bill AE6JV

On 7/26/17 at 7:03 AM, etksubs at gmail.com (Erik Tkal) wrote:

>I wonder how operating a rig with the battery connected to the 
>charger affects the charger operation?  Does the charger 
>perform the Constant Current charge and switch over to the 
>trickle for LiFePo charging, or does the PCM manage that?  
>Would there be any adverse effects to the charger if the radio 
>tries to draw too much?
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From wn3r.us at gmail.com  Wed Jul 26 18:38:55 2017
From: wn3r.us at gmail.com (Richard Hayman19)
Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2017 22:38:55 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] No Antenna Mobile
Message-ID: <CY1PR13MB01694A19549E3F95C856D1B9F8B90@CY1PR13MB0169.namprd13.prod.outlook.com>

Take your K3/0 or K3-mini with Remote Rig on the road with a commercial cellular modem. 4G-LTE Model 6300-CX is all you need.

I bought 3 hoping to get one working one and they all three work as new. They were setup for Sprint when I got them.  I changed them over to my carrier, Verizon.

These sell for $500 new. Asking $150 each shipped.

Email or call for more info.

73, Dick, WN3R
202-497-2840
wn3r.us at gmail.com




From wunder at wunderwood.org  Wed Jul 26 19:04:37 2017
From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood)
Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2017 16:04:37 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Signing "/QRP"
In-Reply-To: <6c955a34-4cc9-e77d-da8f-56a954de464d@hvc.rr.com>
References: <CAD4CdTOMy6APKj+yG-8h8L-UKhP=asOoSXf8qDK-0B_gLh6xAw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAD4CdTPatnZKW=AxfKPJHfS-8GrZ7=rXroHbVgGCQAfjTitpkA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAD4CdTM593oZbRJZbTbU68r0G5PHSLG9=yqddG8RF1xJpGCnYQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAD4CdTMNZp2hRFjS97FwuRrYWNaPhkOe2GJN_H31pm_e41moFQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAD4CdTNGejZaA=rCq-jnupiWphWeKYRndxq1SFmUDD7Vfu2qug@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAFA9ujt+t5D-HLegcgvW-MLP_M2pNDGegNa+Bt5M2vdVGf08QQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<236350B81BC09D42B8C3B41A97C654DD1FC75B04@AUSP01DAG0504.collaborationhost.net>
	<CA+ZptLm8DJXjdqyO2P__gSs34t57=2R02eXHuwJApaFqVc-gTA@mail.gmail.com>
	<b184b20c-02ba-072f-8896-9c85b6c46ee5@subich.com>
	<6c955a34-4cc9-e77d-da8f-56a954de464d@hvc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <22306841-C542-42BF-8093-244B8ED426C7@wunderwood.org>

I know this OT string is getting long, but I looked this up in the current IARU ?Ethics and Operating Procedures for the Radio Amateur?, the Region 2 edition. Some nincompoop generated a PDF that doesn?t allow copying the text, but my Safari browser ignores that bit, so I can quote it here. I?m not sure how much of the formatting will come through, but the rest of this message is copied from section II.9.16 of that document.


?? Never send your call as ? G3ZZZ/QRP?, this is illegal in many countries (e.g. Belgium). The QRP information is not part of your callsign, so it cannot be sent as a part of it. In many countries the only permitted call suffixes are /P, /A, /M, /MM and /AM..

??  If you are really a QRP station, chances are that you will be relatively weak with the station you are calling. Adding unnecessary ballast (the slash and the letters QRP) to your callsign will make it even more difficult to decipher your callsign!

??  You can of course always mention during the QSO you a re a QRP station, e.g.: ?...PWR 5W 5W ONLY...?.

??  If you call CQ as a QRP station and you want to announce that during your CQ, you can do it as follows: ? CQ CQ G3ZZZ G3ZZZ QRP A R?. Insert a little extra space between the call and ? QRP? and do not send a slash ( DAH DIT DIT DAH DIT) between your call and ?QRP?.

??  If you?re looking for QRP stations specifically, call CQ as follows: ? CQ QRP CQ QRP G3ZZZ G3ZZZ QRP STNS (stations) ONLY AR?. 


wunder
K6WRU
Walter Underwood
CM87wj
http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog)

> On Jul 26, 2017, at 3:01 PM, Tommy <tommy58 at hvc.rr.com> wrote:
> 
>      I respectfully disagree.  Why do you think people adding /QRP want to be treated different or think that they're special? I don't sense that at all.
> 
> It's just to let people know they're using low power. No big deal! It doesn't bother me. Although I personally don't add anything after my call on air.
> 
> 73!
> 
> Tom - KB2SMS
> 
> KX2 #01927
> 
> 
> On 07/26/2017 03:40 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:
>> On 7/26/2017 3:27 PM, Nicklas Johnson wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Signing "/QRP" is just another manifestation of entitlement.  It is a
>> way of saying "I'm different and I demand special treatment."
>> 
>> 73,
>> 
>>   ... Joe, W4TV
>> 
> 
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From dave at nk7z.net  Wed Jul 26 19:40:30 2017
From: dave at nk7z.net (Dave Cole)
Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2017 16:40:30 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Signing "/QRP"
In-Reply-To: <22306841-C542-42BF-8093-244B8ED426C7@wunderwood.org>
References: <CAD4CdTOMy6APKj+yG-8h8L-UKhP=asOoSXf8qDK-0B_gLh6xAw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAD4CdTPatnZKW=AxfKPJHfS-8GrZ7=rXroHbVgGCQAfjTitpkA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAD4CdTM593oZbRJZbTbU68r0G5PHSLG9=yqddG8RF1xJpGCnYQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAD4CdTMNZp2hRFjS97FwuRrYWNaPhkOe2GJN_H31pm_e41moFQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAD4CdTNGejZaA=rCq-jnupiWphWeKYRndxq1SFmUDD7Vfu2qug@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAFA9ujt+t5D-HLegcgvW-MLP_M2pNDGegNa+Bt5M2vdVGf08QQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<236350B81BC09D42B8C3B41A97C654DD1FC75B04@AUSP01DAG0504.collaborationhost.net>
	<CA+ZptLm8DJXjdqyO2P__gSs34t57=2R02eXHuwJApaFqVc-gTA@mail.gmail.com>
	<b184b20c-02ba-072f-8896-9c85b6c46ee5@subich.com>
	<6c955a34-4cc9-e77d-da8f-56a954de464d@hvc.rr.com>
	<22306841-C542-42BF-8093-244B8ED426C7@wunderwood.org>
Message-ID: <088379b1-f11b-6fa5-fb17-6b88f47f8781@nk7z.net>

But what will the QRO guys that calls /QRP do if this is disallowed?

73s and thanks,
Dave
NK7Z
http://www.nk7z.net

On 07/26/2017 04:04 PM, Walter Underwood wrote:
> I know this OT string is getting long, but I looked this up in the current IARU ?Ethics and Operating Procedures for the Radio Amateur?, the Region 2 edition. Some nincompoop generated a PDF that doesn?t allow copying the text, but my Safari browser ignores that bit, so I can quote it here. I?m not sure how much of the formatting will come through, but the rest of this message is copied from section II.9.16 of that document.
> 
> 
> ?? Never send your call as ? G3ZZZ/QRP?, this is illegal in many countries (e.g. Belgium). The QRP information is not part of your callsign, so it cannot be sent as a part of it. In many countries the only permitted call suffixes are /P, /A, /M, /MM and /AM..
> 
> ??  If you are really a QRP station, chances are that you will be relatively weak with the station you are calling. Adding unnecessary ballast (the slash and the letters QRP) to your callsign will make it even more difficult to decipher your callsign!
> 
> ??  You can of course always mention during the QSO you a re a QRP station, e.g.: ?...PWR 5W 5W ONLY...?.
> 
> ??  If you call CQ as a QRP station and you want to announce that during your CQ, you can do it as follows: ? CQ CQ G3ZZZ G3ZZZ QRP A R?. Insert a little extra space between the call and ? QRP? and do not send a slash ( DAH DIT DIT DAH DIT) between your call and ?QRP?.
> 
> ??  If you?re looking for QRP stations specifically, call CQ as follows: ? CQ QRP CQ QRP G3ZZZ G3ZZZ QRP STNS (stations) ONLY AR?.
> 
> 
> wunder
> K6WRU
> Walter Underwood
> CM87wj
> http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog)
> 
>> On Jul 26, 2017, at 3:01 PM, Tommy <tommy58 at hvc.rr.com> wrote:
>>
>>       I respectfully disagree.  Why do you think people adding /QRP want to be treated different or think that they're special? I don't sense that at all.
>>
>> It's just to let people know they're using low power. No big deal! It doesn't bother me. Although I personally don't add anything after my call on air.
>>
>> 73!
>>
>> Tom - KB2SMS
>>
>> KX2 #01927
>>
>>
>> On 07/26/2017 03:40 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:
>>> On 7/26/2017 3:27 PM, Nicklas Johnson wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Signing "/QRP" is just another manifestation of entitlement.  It is a
>>> way of saying "I'm different and I demand special treatment."
>>>
>>> 73,
>>>
>>>    ... Joe, W4TV
>>>
>>
>> ______________________________________________________________
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>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
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>>
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From pincon at erols.com  Wed Jul 26 20:10:04 2017
From: pincon at erols.com (Charlie T, K3ICH)
Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2017 20:10:04 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Signing "/QRP"
In-Reply-To: <001301d30646$06399230$12acb690$@verizon.net>
References: <CAD4CdTOMy6APKj+yG-8h8L-UKhP=asOoSXf8qDK-0B_gLh6xAw@mail.gmail.com>	<CAD4CdTPatnZKW=AxfKPJHfS-8GrZ7=rXroHbVgGCQAfjTitpkA@mail.gmail.com>	<CAD4CdTM593oZbRJZbTbU68r0G5PHSLG9=yqddG8RF1xJpGCnYQ@mail.gmail.com>	<CAD4CdTMNZp2hRFjS97FwuRrYWNaPhkOe2GJN_H31pm_e41moFQ@mail.gmail.com>	<CAD4CdTNGejZaA=rCq-jnupiWphWeKYRndxq1SFmUDD7Vfu2qug@mail.gmail.com>
	<001301d30646$06399230$12acb690$@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <00b101d3066c$b5e7fa70$21b7ef50$@erols.com>

Ultimately, what is the real purpose of signing /QRP ???

The only answer I can think of translates to "give me a break, I want
special treatment".

I've operated many times with a barefoot KX3 and now a KX2 and NEVER signed
/QRP, or even mentioned the power level  unless the contact asked what I was
running.

There's so much more to talk about instead of the radio and Wx.

73, Charlie k3ICH


-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net
[mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Ron Polityka
Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 3:33 PM
To: 'Elecraft' <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Signing "/QRP"

Hello,

 I operate QRP 99% of the time.

I never sign /QRP. It takes skill while operating QRP, 5W CW or SSB, to snag
a QSO that is local in the U.S.A. or a DX station.

73
Ron Polityka
WB3AAL
K2 & K1 owner

-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net
[mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Ken G Kopp
Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 2:33 PM
To: Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: [Elecraft] Signing "/QRP"

I view it as a "I'm special ... Please take pitty on me - I -never- respond.

73

K0PP
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From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Wed Jul 26 20:25:10 2017
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2017 20:25:10 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Signing "/QRP"
In-Reply-To: <00b101d3066c$b5e7fa70$21b7ef50$@erols.com>
References: <CAD4CdTOMy6APKj+yG-8h8L-UKhP=asOoSXf8qDK-0B_gLh6xAw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAD4CdTPatnZKW=AxfKPJHfS-8GrZ7=rXroHbVgGCQAfjTitpkA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAD4CdTM593oZbRJZbTbU68r0G5PHSLG9=yqddG8RF1xJpGCnYQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAD4CdTMNZp2hRFjS97FwuRrYWNaPhkOe2GJN_H31pm_e41moFQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAD4CdTNGejZaA=rCq-jnupiWphWeKYRndxq1SFmUDD7Vfu2qug@mail.gmail.com>
	<001301d30646$06399230$12acb690$@verizon.net>
	<00b101d3066c$b5e7fa70$21b7ef50$@erols.com>
Message-ID: <9bdedf18-4ecd-25a2-2dac-db4c0a330e00@embarqmail.com>

I recall my first contact after getting my KX3.  It was on SSB.  I did 
not indicate my power level until well into the contact, and the other 
operator said "I cannot believe you are running only 10 watts."

So much for the /QRP signing, you can make contacts, and that is what 
counts.

It all depends on the attitude of the operator on the far end of the 
QSO.  There are several who will ignore any operator who signs /QRP, so 
in general, I would discourage doing so.

OTOH, if you are looking for only other QRP stations, then by all means 
use it.

For brevity of exchanges, I would discourage it in contests and 
operations like Field Day - the added suffix will only interfere with 
the receiving operator's 'rhythm".

73,
Don W3FPR

On 7/26/2017 8:10 PM, Charlie T, K3ICH wrote:
> Ultimately, what is the real purpose of signing /QRP ???
> 
> The only answer I can think of translates to "give me a break, I want
> special treatment".
> 
> I've operated many times with a barefoot KX3 and now a KX2 and NEVER signed
> /QRP, or even mentioned the power level  unless the contact asked what I was
> running.

From nr4c at widomaker.com  Wed Jul 26 20:41:22 2017
From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c)
Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2017 20:41:22 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Signing "/QRP"
In-Reply-To: <66ea33e3-355d-2855-69ea-1911d6d8c56a@frontiernet.net>
References: <CAD4CdTOMy6APKj+yG-8h8L-UKhP=asOoSXf8qDK-0B_gLh6xAw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAD4CdTPatnZKW=AxfKPJHfS-8GrZ7=rXroHbVgGCQAfjTitpkA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAD4CdTM593oZbRJZbTbU68r0G5PHSLG9=yqddG8RF1xJpGCnYQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAD4CdTMNZp2hRFjS97FwuRrYWNaPhkOe2GJN_H31pm_e41moFQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAD4CdTNGejZaA=rCq-jnupiWphWeKYRndxq1SFmUDD7Vfu2qug@mail.gmail.com>
	<66ea33e3-355d-2855-69ea-1911d6d8c56a@frontiernet.net>
Message-ID: <ED1DEE01-32AF-41F4-882A-E07653E10271@widomaker.com>

It's not your job to verify there power setting. If he signs /QRP while running he's 1.5 KW amp, that's between him and his conscience. 

If you don't record the /QRP you don't have his call correct. 

When's the last time you asked for a copy of abcontacts license before sending a QSL card?



Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill


> On Jul 26, 2017, at 2:59 PM, Dave Heil <k8mn at frontiernet.net> wrote:
> 
> During my operations from Africa, I had a number of folks send duplicate QSLs stating that we'd not marked their QSLs with /QRP.  My view was that I couldn't certify that they were QRP as I wasn't in their shack. Only they could do that.  I didn't, however, object to any signing /QRP although it likely lessens their chances in a pileup.
> 
> Dave K8MN
> 
>> On 26-Jul-17 18:33, Ken G Kopp wrote:
>> I view it as a "I'm special ... Please take pitty on me - I -never- respond.
>> 73
>> K0PP
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From ae5x at juno.com  Wed Jul 26 20:41:44 2017
From: ae5x at juno.com (John AE5X)
Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2017 00:41:44 GMT
Subject: [Elecraft]  Signing "/QRP"
Message-ID: <20170726.194144.13215.0@webmail11.vgs.untd.com>

I always answer such stations because there is a greater chance that they'll have an interesting rig. Maybe built from a kit, maybe nothing more than a few components stuffed onto a board "Manhattan" style. Or they may be operating from a tent or mountaintop.

I've responded to these stations and have been one myself a time or two. And hopefully will again, repeatedly.

John AE5X
http://ae5x.blogspot.com/
 
 

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From nr4c at widomaker.com  Wed Jul 26 20:42:51 2017
From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c)
Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2017 20:42:51 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Signing "/QRP"
In-Reply-To: <66ea33e3-355d-2855-69ea-1911d6d8c56a@frontiernet.net>
References: <CAD4CdTOMy6APKj+yG-8h8L-UKhP=asOoSXf8qDK-0B_gLh6xAw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAD4CdTPatnZKW=AxfKPJHfS-8GrZ7=rXroHbVgGCQAfjTitpkA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAD4CdTM593oZbRJZbTbU68r0G5PHSLG9=yqddG8RF1xJpGCnYQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAD4CdTMNZp2hRFjS97FwuRrYWNaPhkOe2GJN_H31pm_e41moFQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAD4CdTNGejZaA=rCq-jnupiWphWeKYRndxq1SFmUDD7Vfu2qug@mail.gmail.com>
	<66ea33e3-355d-2855-69ea-1911d6d8c56a@frontiernet.net>
Message-ID: <CD8B8A75-5A1A-4D55-B089-01695C042607@widomaker.com>

BTW how do we know you're in Africa. 

Yes, you tweaked a button!

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill


> On Jul 26, 2017, at 2:59 PM, Dave Heil <k8mn at frontiernet.net> wrote:
> 
> During my operations from Africa, I had a number of folks send duplicate QSLs stating that we'd not marked their QSLs with /QRP.  My view was that I couldn't certify that they were QRP as I wasn't in their shack. Only they could do that.  I didn't, however, object to any signing /QRP although it likely lessens their chances in a pileup.
> 
> Dave K8MN
> 
>> On 26-Jul-17 18:33, Ken G Kopp wrote:
>> I view it as a "I'm special ... Please take pitty on me - I -never- respond.
>> 73
>> K0PP
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From nr4c at widomaker.com  Wed Jul 26 20:49:06 2017
From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c)
Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2017 20:49:06 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Signing "/QRP"
In-Reply-To: <CA+ZptLnUvc9uErGT2+UpS4PJMLO-NyohnkgCaJcqd7hU9xyziQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAD4CdTOMy6APKj+yG-8h8L-UKhP=asOoSXf8qDK-0B_gLh6xAw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAD4CdTPatnZKW=AxfKPJHfS-8GrZ7=rXroHbVgGCQAfjTitpkA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAD4CdTM593oZbRJZbTbU68r0G5PHSLG9=yqddG8RF1xJpGCnYQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAD4CdTMNZp2hRFjS97FwuRrYWNaPhkOe2GJN_H31pm_e41moFQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAD4CdTNGejZaA=rCq-jnupiWphWeKYRndxq1SFmUDD7Vfu2qug@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAFA9ujt+t5D-HLegcgvW-MLP_M2pNDGegNa+Bt5M2vdVGf08QQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<236350B81BC09D42B8C3B41A97C654DD1FC75B04@AUSP01DAG0504.collaborationhost.net>
	<CA+ZptLm8DJXjdqyO2P__gSs34t57=2R02eXHuwJApaFqVc-gTA@mail.gmail.com>
	<b184b20c-02ba-072f-8896-9c85b6c46ee5@subich.com>
	<CA+ZptLnUvc9uErGT2+UpS4PJMLO-NyohnkgCaJcqd7hU9xyziQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Like signing emails with list of clubs they belong to, awards and all the Elecraft equipment with serial numbers. 

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill


> On Jul 26, 2017, at 3:56 PM, Nicklas Johnson <nick at n6ol.us> wrote:
> 
>> On 26 July 2017 at 15:40, Joe Subich, W4TV <lists at subich.com> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Signing "/QRP" is just another manifestation of entitlement.  It is a
>> way of saying "I'm different and I demand special treatment."
>> 
>> 
> ?I think you are reading waaaaaay more into it than what is actually
> there.?  Different, sure, but it's equally plausible to interpret it as a
> pre-emptive explanation for having a weaker signal (or an inability to
> transmit with any more power) or even just as a throwaway "gee whiz"
> factoid about what they're doing.  I'm unwilling to assume what someone
> else's motives must be when I can immediately imagine multiple different
> reasons why someone might do a thing.  When I see a call sign coming across
> from someone I don't know, I can't ascribe some special meaning to their
> indicator without more information; all QRP tells me is that they're
> (probably) using low power, not WHY they're using low power or WHY they're
> telling me about it.
> 
> For me to assume what their motivation might be would require my making
> assumptions about them and their reasoning process, which is information I
> absolutely do not have.
> 
> Maybe I'll start signing N6OL/PIE when I'm having pizza.  There's just as
> much reason to get mad about that.
> 
>   Nick
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> Message delivered to nr4c at widomaker.comOn 26 July 2017 at 15:40, Joe Subich, W4TV <lists at subich.com> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> Signing "/QRP" is just another manifestation of entitlement.  It is a
>> way of saying "I'm different and I demand special treatment."
>> 
>> 
> ?I think you are reading waaaaaay more into it than what is actually
> there.?  Different, sure, but it's equally plausible to interpret it as a
> pre-emptive explanation for having a weaker signal (or an inability to
> transmit with any more power) or even just as a throwaway "gee whiz"
> factoid about what they're doing.  I'm unwilling to assume what someone
> else's motives must be when I can immediately imagine multiple different
> reasons why someone might do a thing.  When I see a call sign coming across
> from someone I don't know, I can't ascribe some special meaning to their
> indicator without more information; all QRP tells me is that they're
> (probably) using low power, not WHY they're using low power or WHY they're
> telling me about it.
> 
> For me to assume what their motivation might be would require my making
> assumptions about them and their reasoning process, which is information I
> absolutely do not have.
> 
> Maybe I'll start signing N6OL/PIE when I'm having pizza.  There's just as
> much reason to get mad about that.
> 
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From ae5x at juno.com  Wed Jul 26 20:49:33 2017
From: ae5x at juno.com (John AE5X)
Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2017 00:49:33 GMT
Subject: [Elecraft]  Signing "/QRP"
Message-ID: <20170726.194933.13215.1@webmail11.vgs.untd.com>

>I view it as a "I'm special ... Please take pitty on me - I -never- >respond.
>
>73
>
>K0PP
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From KY5G at montac.com  Wed Jul 26 21:20:37 2017
From: KY5G at montac.com (Clay Autery)
Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2017 20:20:37 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Signing "/QRP"
In-Reply-To: <20170726.194933.13215.1@webmail11.vgs.untd.com>
References: <20170726.194933.13215.1@webmail11.vgs.untd.com>
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Bwahhhhh!  My favorite!

Can we please let this thread die?

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On 7/26/2017 7:49 PM, John AE5X wrote:
>> I view it as a "I'm special ... Please take pitty on me - I -never- >respond.
>>
>> 73
>>
>> K0PP
> ___________________________
>
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0OnpkDWbeJs
>
> John AE5X
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From pubx1 at af2z.net  Wed Jul 26 22:30:49 2017
From: pubx1 at af2z.net (Drew AF2Z)
Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2017 22:30:49 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Signing "/QRP"
In-Reply-To: <CAD4CdTNGejZaA=rCq-jnupiWphWeKYRndxq1SFmUDD7Vfu2qug@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAD4CdTOMy6APKj+yG-8h8L-UKhP=asOoSXf8qDK-0B_gLh6xAw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAD4CdTPatnZKW=AxfKPJHfS-8GrZ7=rXroHbVgGCQAfjTitpkA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAD4CdTM593oZbRJZbTbU68r0G5PHSLG9=yqddG8RF1xJpGCnYQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAD4CdTMNZp2hRFjS97FwuRrYWNaPhkOe2GJN_H31pm_e41moFQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAD4CdTNGejZaA=rCq-jnupiWphWeKYRndxq1SFmUDD7Vfu2qug@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <91be6275-5712-cfee-7654-8a65e7e16350@af2z.net>

Since QRP means "reduce your power" I figure it's an invitation to crank 
my output down to 5 watts and reply. If I can hear him at 5 watts he'll 
probably hear me and we'll both be using the minimum power required to 
make the contact.

73,
Drew
AF2Z



On 07/26/17 14:33, Ken G Kopp wrote:
> I view it as a "I'm special ... Please take pitty on me - I -never- respond.
> 
> 73
> 
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From nz8j at woh.rr.com  Wed Jul 26 22:44:27 2017
From: nz8j at woh.rr.com (nz8j)
Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2017 22:44:27 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] FS: KX3 with many optiobs
Message-ID: <BB.88.20123.D8359795@cdptpa-omsmta02>

Selling my 5000+ serial number factory assembled KX3. In excellent physical condition and works as it should. Latest firmware. Has the following options:
Hand MicRoofing filterAntenna tunerInternal charger/real time clock(With nicads)XG50 signal sourceAccessory cable kitNifty standFolder with good copy of manual and other doc's ?(Not original manual)Factory shipping box
Will ship and insure in the US for $1125, PayPal preferred or postal money order.
Email direct ( nz8j at woh.rr.com ) for more info, am currently out of town, can send pics Friday if needed and can ship saturday. Being sold as-is but working as described.?
ThanksTimNZ8J


Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone

From ron at cobi.biz  Wed Jul 26 22:47:19 2017
From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire)
Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2017 19:47:19 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Signing "/QRP"
In-Reply-To: <1B382392-C359-4437-9387-7FDED45AF5C4@elecraft.com>
References: <CAD4CdTOMy6APKj+yG-8h8L-UKhP=asOoSXf8qDK-0B_gLh6xAw@mail.gmail.com>	<CAD4CdTPatnZKW=AxfKPJHfS-8GrZ7=rXroHbVgGCQAfjTitpkA@mail.gmail.com>	<CAD4CdTM593oZbRJZbTbU68r0G5PHSLG9=yqddG8RF1xJpGCnYQ@mail.gmail.com>	<CAD4CdTMNZp2hRFjS97FwuRrYWNaPhkOe2GJN_H31pm_e41moFQ@mail.gmail.com>	<CAD4CdTNGejZaA=rCq-jnupiWphWeKYRndxq1SFmUDD7Vfu2qug@mail.gmail.com>	<CAFA9ujt+t5D-HLegcgvW-MLP_M2pNDGegNa+Bt5M2vdVGf08QQ@mail.gmail.com>	<236350B81BC09D42B8C3B41A97C654DD1FC75B04@AUSP01DAG0504.collaborationhost.net>	<CA+ZptLm8DJXjdqyO2P__gSs34t57=2R02eXHuwJApaFqVc-gTA@mail.gmail.com>
	<1B382392-C359-4437-9387-7FDED45AF5C4@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <007601d30682$aa864e00$ff92ea00$@biz>

I agree 100% with Wayne about "...built my own radio..." 

Along the same lines, I answer any signal that sounds less than "perfect". It's more than likely it's a HB rig which leads to a very interesting QSO. 

Now, I will admit to having had a QSO when I said my power was less than 5 watts and the other station same back saying "SRI OM. YOU ARE TOO WEAK TO COPY". 

If I'm feeling "onry" I have replied "SRI. NOW AT 500 WATTS. HW IS COPY?" and the other station replies "FB. SOLID COPY NOW" 

But.. I'll admit, I'm still at 5 watts. 

Like most things, perception an preconceived opinions are EVERYTHING!

73 Ron AC7AC


-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Wayne Burdick
Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 12:57 PM
To: Nicklas Johnson
Cc: Elecraft Reflector
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Signing "/QRP"

Signing /QRP tells the other station at least two things: (1) your signal is weak because of power level, not propagation, so they don?t have to worry that you can?t copy them; and (2) you?re really excited to work them, even if they?re local :) 

For many of us, it?s this enthusiasm and extra effort on both sides that makes QRP contacts enjoyable, at times even mystical. It?s a spontaneous team effort, like quantum entanglement.

Example: I had QSO on 15 meters with Rwanda (from Arizona) running 200 mW to an 8? wire running directly to the back of a Safari 4. There is no question that *both* of us were ecstatic after he finally copied my callsign.

?/QRP? also often means ?I built my own radio!? or ?I?m reducing my carbon footprint!? (In my case, both.)

I greatly appreciate it when another station accepts the challenge and opportunity presented by QRP.

72,
Wayne
N6KR


> On Jul 26, 2017, at 12:27 PM, Nicklas Johnson <nick at n6ol.us> wrote:
> 
> I can't imagine any world in which I would get bent out of shape or 
> judgmental about someone signing /QRP.  I'm not in this hobby to see 
> how many people I can *refuse* to speak to, let alone for a reason 
> that would require my making assumptions about the mental or emotional 
> state of a stranger.  Part 97 says /QRP is a perfectly valid 
> indicator, so there's certainly no rule being broken.  So why on earth would I care?
> 
> I wouldn't get irate with someone for using a Marconi antenna, or 
> critique their use of a dipole instead of a Yagi, either.
> 
>   Nick
> 
> On 26 July 2017 at 14:56, Chris Tate - N6WM <ctate at ewnetinc.com> wrote:
> 
>> I dont care what they add as a designator as long as I get the q in 
>> the log.
>> 
>> If I was really bent out of shape I would log them and then email 
>> them later and make any elmery suggestions after the fact, in a nice way.
>> Calling them a lid would not fit that bill.
>> 
>> ~C./WM
>> ________________________________________
>> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net 
>> [elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net]
>> on behalf of Kevin der Kinderen [kkinderen at gmail.com]
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 11:42 AM
>> To: Ken G Kopp
>> Cc: Elecraft
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Signing "/QRP"
>> 
>> I view it as an invitation or a challenge. I always respond.
>> 
>> 73,
>> Kev K4VD
>> 
>> On Wed, Jul 26, 2017 at 2:33 PM, Ken G Kopp <kengkopp at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> I view it as a "I'm special ... Please take pitty on me - I -never- 
>>> respond.
>>> 
>>> 73
>>> 
>>> K0PP
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> 
> 
> 
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From n9tf at comcast.net  Wed Jul 26 23:00:08 2017
From: n9tf at comcast.net (EUGENE GABRY)
Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2017 22:00:08 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Elecraft] TX Test Mode garbage
In-Reply-To: <cd4bd879-6300-b37f-2079-3df9e269f394@aol.com>
References: <cd4bd879-6300-b37f-2079-3df9e269f394@aol.com>
Message-ID: <950312175.465843.1501124409007@connect.xfinity.com>

Out of curiosity I just checked this with my K3S and found the same oddity. During CW key down into a dummy load in TX Test mode the K3S draws 2.5 amps from the 1 amp in RX, and the hash signal heard in another receiver into a different dummy load appears to be 2.7Khz wide. Starts out as full scale signal in the receiver and drops quickly to S5 but never goes away during key down. Cant detect any power indication on the dummy load power meter during key down. Maybe a pre driver stage getting bias in TEST MODE?
Interesting...

Gene
N9TF
  
> On July 26, 2017 at 9:03 AM Dan Atchison via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:

> Yes, the K3s does put out power during this clicking and it has been 
> observed by operators who live close by.  Power and SWR are noted on a 
> digital power meter.
> 
> 73,
> Dan
>

From wes_n7ws at triconet.org  Wed Jul 26 23:35:53 2017
From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes Stewart)
Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2017 20:35:53 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] TX Test Mode garbage
In-Reply-To: <950312175.465843.1501124409007@connect.xfinity.com>
References: <cd4bd879-6300-b37f-2079-3df9e269f394@aol.com>
	<950312175.465843.1501124409007@connect.xfinity.com>
Message-ID: <cadfae09-87c3-e3c3-b33a-7ded703ff5d0@triconet.org>

Thanks for confirming, Gene.  Dan's message did not come through on my service.  
But it's not the clicking that develops the power.  Key down does it.

Wes  N7WS

ps. Olaf, if you are reading, your direct email bounces.  Perhaps that is why 
the Elecraft reflector rejects your posts.


On 7/26/2017 8:00 PM, EUGENE GABRY wrote:
> Out of curiosity I just checked this with my K3S and found the same oddity. During CW key down into a dummy load in TX Test mode the K3S draws 2.5 amps from the 1 amp in RX, and the hash signal heard in another receiver into a different dummy load appears to be 2.7Khz wide. Starts out as full scale signal in the receiver and drops quickly to S5 but never goes away during key down. Cant detect any power indication on the dummy load power meter during key down. Maybe a pre driver stage getting bias in TEST MODE?
> Interesting...
>
> Gene
> N9TF
>    
>> On July 26, 2017 at 9:03 AM Dan Atchison via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
>> Yes, the K3s does put out power during this clicking and it has been
>> observed by operators who live close by.  Power and SWR are noted on a
>> digital power meter.
>>
>> 73,
>> Dan
>>
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From ron at cobi.biz  Wed Jul 26 23:45:56 2017
From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire)
Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2017 20:45:56 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Signing "/QRP"
In-Reply-To: <91be6275-5712-cfee-7654-8a65e7e16350@af2z.net>
References: <CAD4CdTOMy6APKj+yG-8h8L-UKhP=asOoSXf8qDK-0B_gLh6xAw@mail.gmail.com>	<CAD4CdTPatnZKW=AxfKPJHfS-8GrZ7=rXroHbVgGCQAfjTitpkA@mail.gmail.com>	<CAD4CdTM593oZbRJZbTbU68r0G5PHSLG9=yqddG8RF1xJpGCnYQ@mail.gmail.com>	<CAD4CdTMNZp2hRFjS97FwuRrYWNaPhkOe2GJN_H31pm_e41moFQ@mail.gmail.com>	<CAD4CdTNGejZaA=rCq-jnupiWphWeKYRndxq1SFmUDD7Vfu2qug@mail.gmail.com>
	<91be6275-5712-cfee-7654-8a65e7e16350@af2z.net>
Message-ID: <008101d3068a$daec7760$90c56620$@biz>

Yep, and that is what I do too. 

73, Ron AC7AC

-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net
[mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Drew AF2Z
Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 7:31 PM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Signing "/QRP"

Since QRP means "reduce your power" I figure it's an invitation to crank my
output down to 5 watts and reply. If I can hear him at 5 watts he'll
probably hear me and we'll both be using the minimum power required to make
the contact.

73,
Drew
AF2Z



On 07/26/17 14:33, Ken G Kopp wrote:
> I view it as a "I'm special ... Please take pitty on me - I -never-
respond.
> 
> 73
> 
> K0PP
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From ron at cobi.biz  Wed Jul 26 23:47:26 2017
From: ron at cobi.biz (Ron D'Eau Claire)
Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2017 20:47:26 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Signing "/QRP"
In-Reply-To: <ccd670c9-d249-30d1-0e06-469351024fd7@montac.com>
References: <20170726.194933.13215.1@webmail11.vgs.untd.com>
	<ccd670c9-d249-30d1-0e06-469351024fd7@montac.com>
Message-ID: <008201d3068b$1078f660$316ae320$@biz>

Then 	WHY are YOU pursuing it ??? 

73 Ron AC7AC

-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net
[mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Clay Autery
Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 6:21 PM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Signing "/QRP"

Bwahhhhh!  My favorite!

Can we please let this thread die?

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From KY5G at montac.com  Wed Jul 26 23:54:08 2017
From: KY5G at montac.com (Clay Autery)
Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2017 22:54:08 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Signing "/QRP"
In-Reply-To: <008201d3068b$1078f660$316ae320$@biz>
References: <20170726.194933.13215.1@webmail11.vgs.untd.com>
	<ccd670c9-d249-30d1-0e06-469351024fd7@montac.com>
	<008201d3068b$1078f660$316ae320$@biz>
Message-ID: <cab2f1fe-fca2-bc31-942b-fe59ee53ff76@montac.com>

Because his link to the video clip from Stripes was funny and
appropriate....

Soooo.....

"Lighten up, Francis."

73,

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On 7/26/2017 10:47 PM, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote:
> Then 	WHY are YOU pursuing it ??? 
>
> 73 Ron AC7AC
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net
> [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Clay Autery
> Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 6:21 PM
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Signing "/QRP"
>
> Bwahhhhh!  My favorite!
>
> Can we please let this thread die?
>
> ______________________
> Clay Autery, KY5G
> MONTAC Enterprises
> (318) 518-1389


From dave at nk7z.net  Thu Jul 27 01:15:23 2017
From: dave at nk7z.net (Dave Cole)
Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2017 22:15:23 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Signing "/QRP"
In-Reply-To: <ccd670c9-d249-30d1-0e06-469351024fd7@montac.com>
References: <20170726.194933.13215.1@webmail11.vgs.untd.com>
	<ccd670c9-d249-30d1-0e06-469351024fd7@montac.com>
Message-ID: <6f55dc54-c549-eeac-4322-ac9b3ee57ab0@nk7z.net>

I told you this thread would go on forever...

73s and thanks,
Dave
NK7Z
http://www.nk7z.net

On 07/26/2017 06:20 PM, Clay Autery wrote:
> Bwahhhhh!  My favorite!
> 
> Can we please let this thread die?
> 
> ______________________
> Clay Autery, KY5G
> MONTAC Enterprises
> (318) 518-1389
> 

From cqtestk4xs at aol.com  Thu Jul 27 01:29:32 2017
From: cqtestk4xs at aol.com (cqtestk4xs at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2017 01:29:32 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Signing QRP
Message-ID: <15d82857a47-49e6-28d93@webprd-m15.mail.aol.com>

I hate when guys sign QRP...especially in a contest.  An absolute waste of time and makes the reception of the guys call more difficult.  Usually the QRP guys are weak and I usually get the Q or the R or the P as part of his call.  Don't do it.


Bill K4XS/KH7XS

From tony.kaz at verizon.net  Thu Jul 27 06:54:16 2017
From: tony.kaz at verizon.net (N2TK, Tony)
Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2017 06:54:16 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Signing "/QRP"
In-Reply-To: <9bdedf18-4ecd-25a2-2dac-db4c0a330e00@embarqmail.com>
References: <CAD4CdTOMy6APKj+yG-8h8L-UKhP=asOoSXf8qDK-0B_gLh6xAw@mail.gmail.com>	<CAD4CdTPatnZKW=AxfKPJHfS-8GrZ7=rXroHbVgGCQAfjTitpkA@mail.gmail.com>	<CAD4CdTM593oZbRJZbTbU68r0G5PHSLG9=yqddG8RF1xJpGCnYQ@mail.gmail.com>	<CAD4CdTMNZp2hRFjS97FwuRrYWNaPhkOe2GJN_H31pm_e41moFQ@mail.gmail.com>	<CAD4CdTNGejZaA=rCq-jnupiWphWeKYRndxq1SFmUDD7Vfu2qug@mail.gmail.com>	<001301d30646$06399230$12acb690$@verizon.net>	<00b101d3066c$b5e7fa70$21b7ef50$@erols.com>
	<9bdedf18-4ecd-25a2-2dac-db4c0a330e00@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <008001d306c6$b12f8890$138e99b0$@verizon.net>

Don,
You are so correct about affecting the rhythm. One other issue happens when
signals are very weak. "/QRP" ads four characters more you need to copy. If
after several tries I don't feel like I got the entire call correct I don't
log it and I move on.  If the QRPer is running and wants to use "/QRP", that
is fine. When the QRPer is answering a CQ, especially in a contest, don't
hang the "/QRP" on the call. The running station may not have good copy on
you. The "/" may mean something else other than QRP. I have nothing against
QRP. Each to their own as to what they are trying to accomplish. That is
cool. I am just saying, try to help so the QSO is valid and you are in the
log. 

73,
N2TK, Tony

-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net
[mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Don Wilhelm
Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 8:25 PM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Signing "/QRP"

I recall my first contact after getting my KX3.  It was on SSB.  I did not
indicate my power level until well into the contact, and the other operator
said "I cannot believe you are running only 10 watts."

So much for the /QRP signing, you can make contacts, and that is what
counts.

It all depends on the attitude of the operator on the far end of the QSO.
There are several who will ignore any operator who signs /QRP, so in
general, I would discourage doing so.

OTOH, if you are looking for only other QRP stations, then by all means use
it.

For brevity of exchanges, I would discourage it in contests and operations
like Field Day - the added suffix will only interfere with the receiving
operator's 'rhythm".

73,
Don W3FPR

On 7/26/2017 8:10 PM, Charlie T, K3ICH wrote:
> Ultimately, what is the real purpose of signing /QRP ???
> 
> The only answer I can think of translates to "give me a break, I want 
> special treatment".
> 
> I've operated many times with a barefoot KX3 and now a KX2 and NEVER 
> signed /QRP, or even mentioned the power level  unless the contact 
> asked what I was running.
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From john at kk9a.com  Thu Jul 27 07:34:25 2017
From: john at kk9a.com (john at kk9a.com)
Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2017 07:34:25 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft]  Signing "/QRP"
Message-ID: <b605c20a84bcaac85ba2623cd747e066.squirrel@www11.qth.com>

Until this thread I had no idea that signing /QRP was illegal in some
countries. I never log stations this way and I typically come back to a
station calling me by just sending just their callsign.  I have had many
stations "correct" me, adding the /QRP. Operating with 5 watts can be a
fun challenge. I have done it with good antennas and had amazing results
however I have never signed /QRP. I am sure that the majority of contest
stations that I worked could not care less what my power level was.

John KK9A


Walter Underwood wrote:
Wed Jul 26 19:04:37 EDT 2017

I know this OT string is getting long, but I looked this up in the current
IARU ?Ethics and Operating Procedures for the Radio Amateur?, the Region 2
edition. Some nincompoop generated a PDF that doesn?t allow copying the
text, but my Safari browser ignores that bit, so I can quote it here. I?m
not sure how much of the formatting will come through, but the rest of
this message is copied from section II.9.16 of that document.


?? Never send your call as ? G3ZZZ/QRP?, this is illegal in many countries
(e.g. Belgium). The QRP information is not part of your callsign, so it
cannot be sent as a part of it. In many countries the only permitted call
suffixes are /P, /A, /M, /MM and /AM..

??  If you are really a QRP station, chances are that you will be
relatively weak with the station you are calling. Adding unnecessary
ballast (the slash and the letters QRP) to your callsign will make it even
more difficult to decipher your callsign!

??  You can of course always mention during the QSO you a re a QRP
station, e.g.: ?...PWR 5W 5W ONLY...?.

??  If you call CQ as a QRP station and you want to announce that during
your CQ, you can do it as follows: ? CQ CQ G3ZZZ G3ZZZ QRP A R?. Insert a
little extra space between the call and ? QRP? and do not send a slash (
DAH DIT DIT DAH DIT) between your call and ?QRP?.

??  If you?re looking for QRP stations specifically, call CQ as follows: ?
CQ QRP CQ QRP G3ZZZ G3ZZZ QRP STNS (stations) ONLY AR?.


wunder
K6WRU


From nz8j at woh.rr.com  Thu Jul 27 07:50:21 2017
From: nz8j at woh.rr.com (nz8j)
Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2017 07:50:21 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 *Sold*
Message-ID: <FD.1A.20123.F73D9795@cdptpa-omsmta02>


The KX3 I advertised has been sold.ThanksTimNZ8J

Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone

From pincon at erols.com  Thu Jul 27 08:16:28 2017
From: pincon at erols.com (Charlie T, K3ICH)
Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2017 08:16:28 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Signing QRP
In-Reply-To: <15d82857a47-49e6-28d93@webprd-m15.mail.aol.com>
References: <15d82857a47-49e6-28d93@webprd-m15.mail.aol.com>
Message-ID: <002d01d306d2$2fa4e1b0$8eeea510$@erols.com>

Don't forget, signing WX1XXX/QRP is ILLEGAL.  You are NOT operating portable
on the isle or QRP.
Chas

-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net
[mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Bill via Elecraft
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2017 1:30 AM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] Signing QRP

I hate when guys sign QRP...especially in a contest.  An absolute waste of
time and makes the reception of the guys call more difficult.  Usually the
QRP guys are weak and I usually get the Q or the R or the P as part of his
call.  Don't do it.


Bill K4XS/KH7XS
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From tony.kaz at verizon.net  Thu Jul 27 08:30:17 2017
From: tony.kaz at verizon.net (N2TK, Tony)
Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2017 08:30:17 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Signing QRP
In-Reply-To: <002d01d306d2$2fa4e1b0$8eeea510$@erols.com>
References: <15d82857a47-49e6-28d93@webprd-m15.mail.aol.com>
	<002d01d306d2$2fa4e1b0$8eeea510$@erols.com>
Message-ID: <003001d306d4$1b1fd220$515f7660$@verizon.net>

Maybe it has been changed, but I remember reading a number of years ago
something in part 97 about for stateside functions you can pretty much put
what you want before and/or after the call. Brain is getting a little fuzzy
when you get this old, so maybe I dreamed it? :-)

73,
W2/N2TK/N2 

-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net
[mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Charlie T, K3ICH
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2017 8:16 AM
To: Elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Signing QRP

Don't forget, signing WX1XXX/QRP is ILLEGAL.  You are NOT operating portable
on the isle or QRP.
Chas

-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net
[mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Bill via Elecraft
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2017 1:30 AM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] Signing QRP

I hate when guys sign QRP...especially in a contest.  An absolute waste of
time and makes the reception of the guys call more difficult.  Usually the
QRP guys are weak and I usually get the Q or the R or the P as part of his
call.  Don't do it.


Bill K4XS/KH7XS
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From n9tf at comcast.net  Thu Jul 27 08:38:07 2017
From: n9tf at comcast.net (EUGENE GABRY)
Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2017 07:38:07 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Elecraft] TX Test Mode garbage
In-Reply-To: <b8e67e3c-ecf2-e758-6117-fc8a41035ea9@aol.com>
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	<950312175.465843.1501124409007@connect.xfinity.com>
	<b8e67e3c-ecf2-e758-6117-fc8a41035ea9@aol.com>
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Hi Dan,


I see exactly the same thing, although, on my analog watt meter, even running dits continuously, I don't see any movement of the needle. Must be micro watts leaking in extremely fast/short duration. I guess I would have thought precautions for clamping down in the TX chain, prior to antenna coupling, would have been implemented, so no RF leaking could occur.

I'm even more curious now to find out what all is engaging during key down in test mode to be drawing an additional 1.5 amps. I'm assuming it should only be circuitry to engage cw keyer and side tone in test mode, but obviously a path in the TX chain is activating that maybe should not, allowing leak through.

Guess I'll pop this thing open for the first time an do some tracing :)


I've added our thread back to the reflector, as I don't think this should be a normal operating function. If the intent of a test mode is to test without actually emitting a signal, then this oddity of RF leaking is not acceptable.


73 Gene, N9TF

> On July 27, 2017 at 6:49 AM Dan Atchison <N3ND at aol.com> wrote:
> 
>     I think that is normal, Gene, as all the oscillators in the TX chain are working.  What I and others are seeing is short spikes of power when doing CW in TX mode. 
> 
>     Try this:  Hook up your K3s to a dummy load through a digital wattmeter and send a long string of dots.  You will eventually see power out - enough power to show SWR.  The resultant signal is heard as key clicks and can be heard as key clicks (with no CW "tone") miles away.  It's a very short duration signal (only microseconds of an entire dit) and is only heard as clicks.  Note, you can only "see" the issue with a good instantaneous reading digital wattmeter because of the short duration.  I measure several watts of this intermittent click.
> 
>     73
>     Dan
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>     On 7/26/2017 11:00 PM, EUGENE GABRY wrote:
> 
>         > > 
> >         Out of curiosity I just checked this with my K3S and found the same oddity. During CW key down into a dummy load in TX Test mode the K3S draws 2.5 amps from the 1 amp in RX, and the hash signal heard in another receiver into a different dummy load appears to be 2.7Khz wide. Starts out as full scale signal in the receiver and drops quickly to S5 but never goes away during key down. Cant detect any power indication on the dummy load power meter during key down. Maybe a pre driver stage getting bias in TEST MODE?
> >         Interesting...
> > 
> >         Gene
> >         N9TF
> >           
> > 
> >             > > > 
> > >             On July 26, 2017 at 9:03 AM Dan Atchison via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> mailto:elecraft at mailman.qth.net wrote:
> > > 
> > >         > > 
> >          
> > 
> >             > > > 
> > >             Yes, the K3s does put out power during this clicking and it has been 
> > >             observed by operators who live close by.  Power and SWR are noted on a 
> > >             digital power meter.
> > > 
> > >             73,
> > >             Dan
> > > 
> > > 
> > >         > > 
> >     > 

From lists at subich.com  Thu Jul 27 08:38:35 2017
From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV)
Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2017 08:38:35 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Signing QRP
In-Reply-To: <002d01d306d2$2fa4e1b0$8eeea510$@erols.com>
References: <15d82857a47-49e6-28d93@webprd-m15.mail.aol.com>
	<002d01d306d2$2fa4e1b0$8eeea510$@erols.com>
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On 7/27/2017 8:16 AM, Charlie T, K3ICH wrote:
 > Don't forget, signing WX1XXX/QRP is ILLEGAL.

That is not correct in areas regulated by the US FCC.

The rules state in ?97.119(c):

> One or more indicators may be included with the call sign. Each 
 > indicator must be separated from the call sign by the slant mark
 > (/) or by any suitable word that denotes the slant mark. If an
 > indicator is self-assigned, it must be included before, after, or
 > both before and after, the call sign. No self-assigned indicator
 > may conflict with any other indicator specified by the FCC Rules
 > or with any prefix assigned to another country.

The callsign block QAA-QZZ is not assigned by ITU and thus /QRP does
not conflict with any prefix assigned to another country or any
indicator (e.g., /AE, /AG, /KT) specified by the Rules.

73,

    ... Joe, W4TV


On 7/27/2017 8:16 AM, Charlie T, K3ICH wrote:
> Don't forget, signing WX1XXX/QRP is ILLEGAL.  You are NOT operating portable
> on the isle or QRP.
> Chas
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net
> [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Bill via Elecraft
> Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2017 1:30 AM
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [Elecraft] Signing QRP
> 
> I hate when guys sign QRP...especially in a contest.  An absolute waste of
> time and makes the reception of the guys call more difficult.  Usually the
> QRP guys are weak and I usually get the Q or the R or the P as part of his
> call.  Don't do it.
> 
> 
> Bill K4XS/KH7XS
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From mt.grewe at gmail.com  Thu Jul 27 08:39:48 2017
From: mt.grewe at gmail.com (Martin Theodor Grewe)
Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2017 14:39:48 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 (SN01674) and CW in SSB - Feature request
In-Reply-To: <e1be2e69-feed-7cb4-29e9-1d08a0b3ad9a@embarqmail.com>
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	<e1be2e69-feed-7cb4-29e9-1d08a0b3ad9a@embarqmail.com>
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Hi Don,

thanks for your answer ?and Explanation. CW WGHT is known but not helpful
in this case.

I'll try to explan: CW WGHT is set to 800Hz. I'am operating in USB, using
CW-In-SSB. I can answer the station.
But station cannot read my signal, I try to answer with an stored CW Memory
because I am lazy. Now I have to
change mode from SSB to CW to get CW Memory ... and so on with the next
SSB-session answering a cw Station again.

This is, for my understanding, a bit too much: Change mode, activate cw
keyer etc.

Its easier to have "Extended CW memories" only for CW-IN-SSB in SSB-mode.


Kind regards,
73 de Martin, DL1MTG

2017-07-18 16:07 GMT+02:00 Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com>:

> Martin,
>
> The CW in SSB option already exists in the KX3.  Turn to page 37 in the
> manual and look at the CW WGHT menu description for how to turn it on and
> off.
> With it turned on, your CW will be transmitted when touching the paddles
> even though the mode is in SSB.  Your signal will be heard by the other
> operator (listening in SSB mode) at whatever sidetone pitch you have set in
> the KX3.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 7/17/2017 3:14 PM, Martin Theodor Grewe wrote:
>
>
>> Well, one big finding was "doing CW in SSB mode" so called *C**W-IN-SSB*.
>> The frequency is at
>> SHF contest work extremly important - a small change in freq and the QSO
>> is
>> lost. Therefore
>> it is a pleasure to call in SSB, station is answering in CW, very weak
>> signal: *C**W-IN-SSB *is possible.
>> And now the request: station did not get my call, I have to activate
>> Voice-Keyer again! But stop,
>> He can only read my CW signal - lets activate the CW-Keyer... ups, have to
>> change mode from SSB to
>> CW - to activate CW keyer: frequency lost!!! Station lost, no QSO!! To
>> explain further: I also now
>> the "SSB/CW VFO Offset" - but this is not helpful in
>> "transverterbusiness".
>>
>> I'd like to get something like "working in SSB", hear an answer in CW,
>> activate memory 3 or 4 which is only
>> used in "*C**W-IN-SSB", *to send a CQ-Call from memory 3 or an "QRZ QRZ
>> DL0LN DL0LN" from
>> memory 4 etc. in SSB - CW-IN-SSB oc.
>>
>

From pincon at erols.com  Thu Jul 27 08:56:12 2017
From: pincon at erols.com (Charlie T, K3ICH)
Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2017 08:56:12 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Signing QRP
In-Reply-To: <002d01d306d2$2fa4e1b0$8eeea510$@erols.com>
References: <15d82857a47-49e6-28d93@webprd-m15.mail.aol.com>
	<002d01d306d2$2fa4e1b0$8eeea510$@erols.com>
Message-ID: <004d01d306d7$bcd6b7c0$36842740$@erols.com>


Don't forget, signing WX1XXX/QRP is ILLEGAL.  You are NOT operating portable
on the isle of QRP.
Chas

-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net
[mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Bill via Elecraft
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2017 1:30 AM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] Signing QRP

I hate when guys sign QRP...especially in a contest.  An absolute waste of
time and makes the reception of the guys call more difficult.  Usually the
QRP guys are weak and I usually get the Q or the R or the P as part of his
call.  Don't do it.


Bill K4XS/KH7XS
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From wes_n7ws at triconet.org  Thu Jul 27 09:36:51 2017
From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes Stewart)
Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2017 06:36:51 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] TX Test Mode garbage
In-Reply-To: <81147615.471897.1501159088044@connect.xfinity.com>
References: <cd4bd879-6300-b37f-2079-3df9e269f394@aol.com>
	<950312175.465843.1501124409007@connect.xfinity.com>
	<b8e67e3c-ecf2-e758-6117-fc8a41035ea9@aol.com>
	<81147615.471897.1501159088044@connect.xfinity.com>
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You guys should go back to the first message in this thread and reread it.

This is not a key click situation.  It is band-limited noise and can be heard in 
XMIT, no need for keying.  I believe it is thermally sensitive; worse right 
after powering up the radio and diminishing with warm up.

On 50 MHz. I can see over 50W indicated on the KPA500 bar graph.

Wes  N7WS


  On 7/27/2017 5:38 AM, EUGENE GABRY wrote:
> Hi Dan,
>
>
> I see exactly the same thing, although, on my analog watt meter, even running dits continuously, I don't see any movement of the needle. Must be micro watts leaking in extremely fast/short duration. I guess I would have thought precautions for clamping down in the TX chain, prior to antenna coupling, would have been implemented, so no RF leaking could occur.
>
> I'm even more curious now to find out what all is engaging during key down in test mode to be drawing an additional 1.5 amps. I'm assuming it should only be circuitry to engage cw keyer and side tone in test mode, but obviously a path in the TX chain is activating that maybe should not, allowing leak through.
>
> Guess I'll pop this thing open for the first time an do some tracing :)
>
>
> I've added our thread back to the reflector, as I don't think this should be a normal operating function. If the intent of a test mode is to test without actually emitting a signal, then this oddity of RF leaking is not acceptable.
>
>
> 73 Gene, N9TF
>
>> On July 27, 2017 at 6:49 AM Dan Atchison <N3ND at aol.com> wrote:
>>
>>      I think that is normal, Gene, as all the oscillators in the TX chain are working.  What I and others are seeing is short spikes of power when doing CW in TX mode.
>>
>>      Try this:  Hook up your K3s to a dummy load through a digital wattmeter and send a long string of dots.  You will eventually see power out - enough power to show SWR.  The resultant signal is heard as key clicks and can be heard as key clicks (with no CW "tone") miles away.  It's a very short duration signal (only microseconds of an entire dit) and is only heard as clicks.  Note, you can only "see" the issue with a good instantaneous reading digital wattmeter because of the short duration.  I measure several watts of this intermittent click.
>>
>>      73
>>      Dan
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>      On 7/26/2017 11:00 PM, EUGENE GABRY wrote:
>>
>>          > >
>>>          Out of curiosity I just checked this with my K3S and found the same oddity. During CW key down into a dummy load in TX Test mode the K3S draws 2.5 amps from the 1 amp in RX, and the hash signal heard in another receiver into a different dummy load appears to be 2.7Khz wide. Starts out as full scale signal in the receiver and drops quickly to S5 but never goes away during key down. Cant detect any power indication on the dummy load power meter during key down. Maybe a pre driver stage getting bias in TEST MODE?
>>>          Interesting...
>>>
>>>          Gene
>>>          N9TF
>>>            
>>>
>>>              > > >
>>>>              On July 26, 2017 at 9:03 AM Dan Atchison via Elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> mailto:elecraft at mailman.qth.net wrote:
>>>>
>>>>          > >
>>>           
>>>
>>>              > > >
>>>>              Yes, the K3s does put out power during this clicking and it has been
>>>>              observed by operators who live close by.  Power and SWR are noted on a
>>>>              digital power meter.
>>>>
>>>>              73,
>>>>              Dan
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>          > >
>>>      >


From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Thu Jul 27 10:11:21 2017
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2017 09:11:21 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] TX Test Mode garbage
In-Reply-To: <950312175.465843.1501124409007@connect.xfinity.com>
References: <cd4bd879-6300-b37f-2079-3df9e269f394@aol.com>
	<950312175.465843.1501124409007@connect.xfinity.com>
Message-ID: <07a6994c-63d2-e0ce-dea2-164a3ab8267a@blomand.net>

Hasn't anyone done any real measurements of this phenomenon? Just 
because it is heard doesn't make it bad or in violation of the FCC 
Spectral Purity of Emissions.    And it is generally reported to be 2.7 
kHz wide, i.e. the same as the SSB filter.

In measuring my K3S, s/n 10163, the worst case is - 42 dBm at the test 
frequency.  I did check several bands and found the same result.  In all 
cases, it is evident the low pass transmit filter is doing its job as 
there is more TX noise below the transmit frequency than above.  My 
measurement indicates the noise is in the -60 dBm to -70 dBm range, 
depending on band.    There are some other emissions which are -85 dBm 
{~15.9 MHz}  and -91 dBm {~31.9MHz}.  These are seen within a span of 
1..0 MHz to 50 MHz on the HP spectrum analyzer, connected directly to 
the output of the transceiver, ANT 1 port.  The K3S is in CW mode, Test 
Mode, keyed with a straight key.   As to seeing power on an external 
device, at these levels, it likely won't be observed.  Further I observe 
when the PWR is reduced to zero watts, the emissions do not change 
except at the point when the KPA switches out {~ <12 watts} , there is 
about a 10 dB decrease as expected.

All in all, I'd say the radio is quite clean with regard to my 
measurements and spectral purity.

73

Bob, K4TAX


On 7/26/2017 10:00 PM, EUGENE GABRY wrote:
> Out of curiosity I just checked this with my K3S and found the same oddity. During CW key down into a dummy load in TX Test mode the K3S draws 2.5 amps from the 1 amp in RX, and the hash signal heard in another receiver into a different dummy load appears to be 2.7Khz wide. Starts out as full scale signal in the receiver and drops quickly to S5 but never goes away during key down. Cant detect any power indication on the dummy load power meter during key down. Maybe a pre driver stage getting bias in TEST MODE?
> Interesting...
>
> Gene
> N9TF
>



From m0lep at hewett.org  Thu Jul 27 10:21:28 2017
From: m0lep at hewett.org (Rick M0LEP)
Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2017 14:21:28 -0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Signing "/QRP"
References: <b605c20a84bcaac85ba2623cd747e066.squirrel@www11.qth.com>
Message-ID: <5afc.5979f6e8.b093b.m0lep@hewett.org>

On Thu 27 Jul john at kk9a.com wrote:
> I had no idea that signing /QRP was illegal in some countries.

Different jurisdictions have different ideas about identification 
requirements, and licence wording is sometimes open to interpretation. 
For example:

In the UK the licence says that operators "may use" certain suffixes. 
The only ones included are "/M", "/P", "/MM" and "/A". You could infer 
from the "may use"?wording that these suffixes are permitted and that 
therefore all other suffixes are forbidden, or you could just assume 
that these four are picked out in the licence but there's no explicit 
prohibition against anything else being used. It would probably require 
a court decision to detemine which of those options actually applies. I 
have no desire to be involved in such a court case, so I'll use no 
suffixes other than the ones the licence says I "may use".

In the Kenya licence, the wording is "shall use", which makes it clear 
that no other suffixes are permitted. The only suffixes mentioned in the 
licence are "/P" (for use at a temporary location), "/M" (for use when 
mobile) and "/MM" (for use when on a vessel at sea). If no suffix is 
attached to a Kenya callsign then the operator must be at their main 
station address, so, if you hear me signing as 5Z4/M0LEP then I'm at my 
mother's house (and nowhere else) and if I sign as 5Z4/M0LEP/P I'm 
elsewhere in Kenya. Log me as 5Z4/M0LEP when I've signed as 5Z4/M0LEP/P 
(or vice versa) and you'll have a busted call.

....and incidentally, all the contacts I've made as 5Z4/M0LEP/P have been 
using my KX3 with simple in-the-field antennas. ;)

-- 
73, Rick, M0LEP   (KX3 #3281)


From w3tb.ted at gmail.com  Thu Jul 27 10:38:42 2017
From: w3tb.ted at gmail.com (Ted Edwards W3TB)
Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2017 10:38:42 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Signing "/QRP"
In-Reply-To: <5afc.5979f6e8.b093b.m0lep@hewett.org>
References: <b605c20a84bcaac85ba2623cd747e066.squirrel@www11.qth.com>
	<5afc.5979f6e8.b093b.m0lep@hewett.org>
Message-ID: <CAGhFmTirC=AfHqAJ5wT5Ym8LyQvC3Cp4w1zLrMeTPFNys-yQ4A@mail.gmail.com>

A variation of this concern Stateside is the matter of putting country
abbreviations on callsigns within State QSO Parties for mobile and
expeditionary/rover operations.  I have done that for many years as an
expeditionary station in the Virginia QSO Party, and it helps for stations
to know you have changed counties so they can work you again.

I don't think there is any USA rule on that matter, but we all need to know
and abide by our own rules.
I also have a callsign in the UK and have followed the /p and /m when there.

On Thu, Jul 27, 2017 at 10:21 AM, Rick M0LEP <m0lep at hewett.org> wrote:

> On Thu 27 Jul john at kk9a.com wrote:
> > I had no idea that signing /QRP was illegal in some countries.
>
> Different jurisdictions have different ideas about identification
> requirements, and licence wording is sometimes open to interpretation.
> For example:
>
> In the UK the licence says that operators "may use" certain suffixes.
> The only ones included are "/M", "/P", "/MM" and "/A". You could infer
> from the "may use" wording that these suffixes are permitted and that
> therefore all other suffixes are forbidden, or you could just assume
> that these four are picked out in the licence but there's no explicit
> prohibition against anything else being used. It would probably require
> a court decision to detemine which of those options actually applies. I
> have no desire to be involved in such a court case, so I'll use no
> suffixes other than the ones the licence says I "may use".
>
> In the Kenya licence, the wording is "shall use", which makes it clear
> that no other suffixes are permitted. The only suffixes mentioned in the
> licence are "/P" (for use at a temporary location), "/M" (for use when
> mobile) and "/MM" (for use when on a vessel at sea). If no suffix is
> attached to a Kenya callsign then the operator must be at their main
> station address, so, if you hear me signing as 5Z4/M0LEP then I'm at my
> mother's house (and nowhere else) and if I sign as 5Z4/M0LEP/P I'm
> elsewhere in Kenya. Log me as 5Z4/M0LEP when I've signed as 5Z4/M0LEP/P
> (or vice versa) and you'll have a busted call.
>
> ....and incidentally, all the contacts I've made as 5Z4/M0LEP/P have been
> using my KX3 with simple in-the-field antennas. ;)
>
> --
> 73, Rick, M0LEP   (KX3 #3281)
>
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-- 
73 de Ted Edwards, W3TB and G?PWW

and thinking about operating CW:
"Do today what others won't,
so you can do tomorrow what others can't."

From k6dgw at foothill.net  Thu Jul 27 13:31:55 2017
From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen)
Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2017 10:31:55 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Signing QRP
In-Reply-To: <002d01d306d2$2fa4e1b0$8eeea510$@erols.com>
References: <15d82857a47-49e6-28d93@webprd-m15.mail.aol.com>
	<002d01d306d2$2fa4e1b0$8eeea510$@erols.com>
Message-ID: <aa946f3c-4dcf-2954-f1ce-61c18e27fe01@foothill.net>

No, it is not illegal or non-compliant in the USand never has been. 
47CFR97 permits *any* self-assigned indicator(s)beforeor after the call 
sign, or both, *except* an indicator that duplicates an FCC assigned 
indicator [AG, AA, AE, KT], or any indicator that duplicates an 
ITU-assigned prefix.  Indicators are *not* confined to islands or 
locations, they can mean anything you want.  There can be more than one 
before and/or after:

QRP/QSX7027R5/K6DGW/6OVER6OVER6STACK ... I'm running less than 5 W, 
listening on 7027.5and I'm using a 6over 6 over 6 yagi stack is 
compliant ... incredibly stupid and foolish, but compliant.

Common non-compliant indicators are:

/M - I'm a mobile.  All the M's belong to the UK
/R - I'm a repeater.  All the R's belong to Russia
/PM - I'm a pedestrian and I'm on the air.  PM belongs to Indonesia
/MM - I'm afloat.  See /M
/AM _ I'm aloft. AM-AO belong to Spain

Possibly compliant:

/P - I'm portable.  The P's are split and all ITU "P" prefixes have more 
than one letter/digit.

Compliant:

/Q<anything> - There are no prefixes beginning with Q, that sequence is 
reserved for the International Q-signals, of which QRP is one.

The custom is to log mobiles in State/Province QSO parties as /<county 
abbrev>to permit working a mobile in different counties on the same 
band.  The FCC doesn't care how you log a station.  The mobile can be 
compliant simply by not making the county abbreviation an "indicator" 
[i.e. no "/"]

Last time I checked, no one has ever gone to jail or paid a fine for 
violations to this regulation. One question that has always nagged at me:

If a station running 5 W or less needs to send /QRP, whyshouldn't 
everyone running over 5 W [or some arbitrary power] send /QRO? This 
thread will end, probably soon, but it will also recur... it always does.

73,

Fred ("Skip") K6DGW
Sparks NV USA
Washoe County DM09dn


On 7/27/2017 5:16 AM, Charlie T, K3ICH wrote:
> Don't forget, signing WX1XXX/QRP is ILLEGAL.  You are NOT operating portable
> on the isle or QRP.
> Chas
>


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From: rask1553 at bellsouth.net (Michael Raskin)
Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2017 17:56:20 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Mini-Modules For Sale
Message-ID: <BFEC3E5AC91347B791B8B0274D69AE9A@DESKTOPFSUHCE9>

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From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Thu Jul 27 18:15:54 2017
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2017 18:15:54 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 (SN01674) and CW in SSB - Feature request
In-Reply-To: <CAD5pLL=Pq99ing2=KbheM-QKsa1=43=QpYEgjfi6+LF9M0=2bQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAD5pLL=zBD19L7R8t8HWEW4dV_jnJ_n-UC3gywbHTpBD2jCMnQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<e1be2e69-feed-7cb4-29e9-1d08a0b3ad9a@embarqmail.com>
	<CAD5pLL=Pq99ing2=KbheM-QKsa1=43=QpYEgjfi6+LF9M0=2bQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <cfd39ffe-12ac-19f0-6cf0-03917275cb85@embarqmail.com>

Martin,

Yes, the CW memories will not work well with CW in SSB.
Input from the paddles or hand key should work fine.

If you must use the CW memories, you must switch to CW mode and set the 
frequency above or below the SSB frequency.  Perhaps a macro could be 
created to do that with one button push, and another to go back to SSB.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 7/27/2017 8:39 AM, Martin Theodor Grewe wrote:
> Hi Don,
>
> thanks for your answer ?and Explanation. CW WGHT is known but not 
> helpful in this case.
>
> I'll try to explan: CW WGHT is set to 800Hz. I'am operating in USB, 
> using CW-In-SSB. I can answer the station.
> But station cannot read my signal, I try to answer with an stored CW 
> Memory because I am lazy. Now I have to
> change mode from SSB to CW to get CW Memory ... and so on with the 
> next SSB-session answering a cw Station again.
>
> This is, for my understanding, a bit too much: Change mode, activate 
> cw keyer etc.
>
> Its easier to have "Extended CW memories" only for CW-IN-SSB in SSB-mode.
>


From dave at nk7z.net  Thu Jul 27 21:00:50 2017
From: dave at nk7z.net (Dave Cole)
Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2017 18:00:50 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Signing QRP
In-Reply-To: <aa946f3c-4dcf-2954-f1ce-61c18e27fe01@foothill.net>
References: <15d82857a47-49e6-28d93@webprd-m15.mail.aol.com>
	<002d01d306d2$2fa4e1b0$8eeea510$@erols.com>
	<aa946f3c-4dcf-2954-f1ce-61c18e27fe01@foothill.net>
Message-ID: <74793561-589b-7a5b-2ec5-d3f3f9d7a478@nk7z.net>

Least we leave out the most important suffix--

/E8172 - I own Elecraft radio serial number 08172

Now the thread is compliant as well...  It is still about Elecraft things!

On 07/27/2017 10:31 AM, Fred Jensen wrote:
 > Common non-compliant indicators are:
 >
 > /M - I'm a mobile.  All the M's belong to the UK
 > /R - I'm a repeater.  All the R's belong to Russia
 > /PM - I'm a pedestrian and I'm on the air.  PM belongs to Indonesia
 > /MM - I'm afloat.  See /M
 > /AM _ I'm aloft. AM-AO belong to Spain


73s and thanks,
Dave
NK7Z
http://www.nk7z.net

From ae5x at juno.com  Thu Jul 27 21:11:34 2017
From: ae5x at juno.com (John AE5X)
Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2017 01:11:34 GMT
Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 added to Sherwood's list
Message-ID: <20170727.201134.16402.0@webmail13.vgs.untd.com>

I haven't seen this mentioned here yet...KX2 receiver specs were added yesterday:

http://www.sherweng.com/table.html

John AE5X
http://ae5x.blogspot.com/
 
 

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From n6kr at elecraft.com  Thu Jul 27 22:03:32 2017
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2017 19:03:32 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 added to Sherwood's list
In-Reply-To: <20170727.201134.16402.0@webmail13.vgs.untd.com>
References: <20170727.201134.16402.0@webmail13.vgs.untd.com>
Message-ID: <8A2C1DD3-BEC3-4844-A44A-930CA5170326@elecraft.com>

Similar to our lab measurements. (Not bad for a 13 oz radio. If this were 1999, it would have been at the top of the list :)

Question for KX2 users: Have you tried it hand-held with a whip yet?

73,
Wayne
N6KR


> On Jul 27, 2017, at 6:11 PM, John AE5X <ae5x at juno.com> wrote:
> 
> I haven't seen this mentioned here yet...KX2 receiver specs were added yesterday:
> 
> http://www.sherweng.com/table.html
> 
> John AE5X
> http://ae5x.blogspot.com/




From dons at ieee.org  Thu Jul 27 22:27:01 2017
From: dons at ieee.org (Don Sayler)
Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2017 19:27:01 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 added to Sherwood's list
In-Reply-To: <8A2C1DD3-BEC3-4844-A44A-930CA5170326@elecraft.com>
References: <20170727.201134.16402.0@webmail13.vgs.untd.com>
	<8A2C1DD3-BEC3-4844-A44A-930CA5170326@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <000001d30748$fead0cf0$fc0726d0$@ieee.org>

I saw Eric do it at Seapac.

Don Sayler W7OXR
New K3S Owner

-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net
[mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Wayne Burdick
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2017 7:04 PM
To: John AE5X
Cc: Elecraft Reflector
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX2 added to Sherwood's list

Similar to our lab measurements. (Not bad for a 13 oz radio. If this were
1999, it would have been at the top of the list :)

Question for KX2 users: Have you tried it hand-held with a whip yet?

73,
Wayne
N6KR


> On Jul 27, 2017, at 6:11 PM, John AE5X <ae5x at juno.com> wrote:
> 
> I haven't seen this mentioned here yet...KX2 receiver specs were added
yesterday:
> 
> http://www.sherweng.com/table.html
> 
> John AE5X
> http://ae5x.blogspot.com/



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From phystad at mac.com  Thu Jul 27 22:34:18 2017
From: phystad at mac.com (Phil Hystad)
Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2017 19:34:18 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 added to Sherwood's list
In-Reply-To: <8A2C1DD3-BEC3-4844-A44A-930CA5170326@elecraft.com>
References: <20170727.201134.16402.0@webmail13.vgs.untd.com>
	<8A2C1DD3-BEC3-4844-A44A-930CA5170326@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <C43B8DE4-DEFD-46FB-9D22-D636A0D3ACBB@mac.com>

> 
> Question for KX2 users: Have you tried it hand-held with a whip yet?
> 
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR


I haven?t tried hand-held with a whip antenna yet but only because I figured
it would be a bit awkward trying to operate the paddles.  

73, phil, K7PEH


From wrmoore47 at gmail.com  Thu Jul 27 22:49:30 2017
From: wrmoore47 at gmail.com (Randy Moore)
Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2017 02:49:30 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] WTB: T1 ATU
Message-ID: <emd3c4ff8d-a8c5-4f77-b14f-40b430566b81@randy-custom>

Looking for a gently used T1, or an unbuilt kit. Please respond directly 
to:
wrmoore47 (at) gmail (dot) com

73,
Randy, KS4L

From kk5f at earthlink.net  Thu Jul 27 23:30:22 2017
From: kk5f at earthlink.net (Mike Morrow)
Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2017 23:30:22 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 added to Sherwood's list ..
Message-ID: <12077265.758.1501212623401@mswamui-backed.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

I was surprised that the KX2 ranked **18** positions BELOW the KX3.  That shows the KX3 is a really remarkable world-class achievement.   Plus, at least an early system schematic (excluding the KX3-2M two-meter module and PX3) is available.  That leaves the KXBC3 battery/RTC as the only mediocre component in the system.

I decided not to buy a KX2 until and unless minimal technical information (schematic) was available.  It has become obvious that such is purposely and likely permanently withheld from most customers...a really remarkable and negative non-traditional policy for ham gear...especially gear directed to the QRP community.

Operating HF hand-held has not had any valuable application since the WWII SCR-536/BC-611 handie-talkie.  I like to operate my QRP rigs, especially high performance Elecraft units, with antennas that complement the quality of the radio.  No Elecraft rig deserves the degradation of a HF telescoping antenna.  That's pure gimmickry, IMHO  :-)

73,
Mike / KK5F

-----Original Message-----
>From: Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com>
>Sent: Jul 27, 2017 9:03 PM
>
>Similar to our lab measurements. (Not bad for a 13 oz radio. If this were 1999, it would have been at the top of the list :)
>
>Question for KX2 users: Have you tried it hand-held with a whip yet?
>
>73,
>Wayne
>N6KR
>
>> On Jul 27, 2017, at 6:11 PM, John AE5X <ae5x at juno.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I haven't seen this mentioned here yet...KX2 receiver specs were added yesterday:
>> 
>>  http://www.sherweng.com/table.html
>> 
>> John AE5X
>> http://ae5x.blogspot.com/


From dave.w0zf at gmail.com  Thu Jul 27 23:31:20 2017
From: dave.w0zf at gmail.com (Dave Fugleberg)
Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2017 03:31:20 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 added to Sherwood's list
In-Reply-To: <C43B8DE4-DEFD-46FB-9D22-D636A0D3ACBB@mac.com>
References: <20170727.201134.16402.0@webmail13.vgs.untd.com>
	<8A2C1DD3-BEC3-4844-A44A-930CA5170326@elecraft.com>
	<C43B8DE4-DEFD-46FB-9D22-D636A0D3ACBB@mac.com>
Message-ID: <CAF==Uf0ECNfZV4WoP=i_+pFCxiZnej6YsCYsG9aeeTDkquzs_g@mail.gmail.com>

Not 'hand held', but I did use the MFJ telescoping whip for 20m with a
right angle BNC adapter with the KX2 next to me on a park bench a couple
weeks ago and worked AZ from MN. With the internal battery, that whip, and
some wire for a counterpoise, it takes almost no time to set up.
On Thu, Jul 27, 2017 at 9:34 PM Phil Hystad <phystad at mac.com> wrote:

> >
> > Question for KX2 users: Have you tried it hand-held with a whip yet?
> >
> > 73,
> > Wayne
> > N6KR
>
>
> I haven?t tried hand-held with a whip antenna yet but only because I
> figured
> it would be a bit awkward trying to operate the paddles.
>
> 73, phil, K7PEH
>
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From ctate at ewnetinc.com  Fri Jul 28 00:55:42 2017
From: ctate at ewnetinc.com (Chris Tate - N6WM)
Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2017 04:55:42 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 added to Sherwood's list
In-Reply-To: <8A2C1DD3-BEC3-4844-A44A-930CA5170326@elecraft.com>
References: <20170727.201134.16402.0@webmail13.vgs.untd.com>
	<8A2C1DD3-BEC3-4844-A44A-930CA5170326@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <236350B81BC09D42B8C3B41A97C654DD1FC7A96D@AUSP01DAG0504.collaborationhost.net>

Wayne,

After I used my KX2 using a KXB2 on the beach on the Windward side of Oahu, interfaced with a low end laptop on battery power and connected to a half wave dipole, a half wave from the surf, and hearing the quiet noise floor, q5 sigs and being heard and spotted all over north America and working into n NA,  the EU and Asia qrp???

This is an awesome little go anywhere rig.  

But I do think that a big part of that formula was that nice wire at the beach with an infinite GP.. and not sure the whip would produce that result..  but probably could do pretty well in the same environment none the less.

Grab and go rig.. best one around.

~Chris
N6WM


-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Wayne Burdick
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2017 7:04 PM
To: John AE5X <ae5x at juno.com>
Cc: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX2 added to Sherwood's list

Similar to our lab measurements. (Not bad for a 13 oz radio. If this were 1999, it would have been at the top of the list :)

Question for KX2 users: Have you tried it hand-held with a whip yet?

73,
Wayne
N6KR


> On Jul 27, 2017, at 6:11 PM, John AE5X <ae5x at juno.com> wrote:
> 
> I haven't seen this mentioned here yet...KX2 receiver specs were added yesterday:
> 
> http://www.sherweng.com/table.html
> 
> John AE5X
> http://ae5x.blogspot.com/



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From n6kr at elecraft.com  Fri Jul 28 00:59:33 2017
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2017 21:59:33 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 added to Sherwood's list
In-Reply-To: <236350B81BC09D42B8C3B41A97C654DD1FC7A96D@AUSP01DAG0504.collaborationhost.net>
References: <20170727.201134.16402.0@webmail13.vgs.untd.com>
	<8A2C1DD3-BEC3-4844-A44A-930CA5170326@elecraft.com>
	<236350B81BC09D42B8C3B41A97C654DD1FC7A96D@AUSP01DAG0504.collaborationhost.net>
Message-ID: <63DDE690-A324-45FF-B971-D2949B005420@elecraft.com>

Of course a great antenna makes a huge difference. But I do enjoy the ultimate challenge provided by compromise antennas, and sometimes a whip is all you have time to deploy.

Wayne
N6KR

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> On Jul 27, 2017, at 9:55 PM, Chris Tate - N6WM <ctate at ewnetinc.com> wrote:
> 
> Wayne,
> 
> After I used my KX2 using a KXB2 on the beach on the Windward side of Oahu, interfaced with a low end laptop on battery power and connected to a half wave dipole, a half wave from the surf, and hearing the quiet noise floor, q5 sigs and being heard and spotted all over north America and working into n NA,  the EU and Asia qrp???
> 
> This is an awesome little go anywhere rig.  
> 
> But I do think that a big part of that formula was that nice wire at the beach with an infinite GP.. and not sure the whip would produce that result..  but probably could do pretty well in the same environment none the less.
> 
> Grab and go rig.. best one around.
> 
> ~Chris
> N6WM
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Wayne Burdick
> Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2017 7:04 PM
> To: John AE5X <ae5x at juno.com>
> Cc: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX2 added to Sherwood's list
> 
> Similar to our lab measurements. (Not bad for a 13 oz radio. If this were 1999, it would have been at the top of the list :)
> 
> Question for KX2 users: Have you tried it hand-held with a whip yet?
> 
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR
> 
> 
>> On Jul 27, 2017, at 6:11 PM, John AE5X <ae5x at juno.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I haven't seen this mentioned here yet...KX2 receiver specs were added yesterday:
>> 
>> http://www.sherweng.com/table.html
>> 
>> John AE5X
>> http://ae5x.blogspot.com/
> 
> 
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From tommy58 at hvc.rr.com  Fri Jul 28 06:48:11 2017
From: tommy58 at hvc.rr.com (Tommy)
Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2017 06:48:11 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 added to Sherwood's list
In-Reply-To: <8A2C1DD3-BEC3-4844-A44A-930CA5170326@elecraft.com>
References: <20170727.201134.16402.0@webmail13.vgs.untd.com>
	<8A2C1DD3-BEC3-4844-A44A-930CA5170326@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <425805e3-51c8-ff2f-a435-cfde98638447@hvc.rr.com>

IIRC saw one video on Youtube of a gentleman using it hand held.

73!

Tom - KB2SMS

KX2 #01927


On 07/27/2017 10:03 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
> Similar to our lab measurements. (Not bad for a 13 oz radio. If this were 1999, it would have been at the top of the list :)
>
> Question for KX2 users: Have you tried it hand-held with a whip yet?
>
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR
>
>
>> On Jul 27, 2017, at 6:11 PM, John AE5X <ae5x at juno.com> wrote:
>>
>> I haven't seen this mentioned here yet...KX2 receiver specs were added yesterday:
>>
>> http://www.sherweng.com/table.html
>>
>> John AE5X
>> http://ae5x.blogspot.com/
>
>
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From kg9hfrank at gmail.com  Fri Jul 28 08:39:28 2017
From: kg9hfrank at gmail.com (kg9hfrank at gmail.com)
Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2017 07:39:28 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 added to Sherwood's list ..
In-Reply-To: <12077265.758.1501212623401@mswamui-backed.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <12077265.758.1501212623401@mswamui-backed.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <31C41D77-DDF6-45B2-8543-59B307140CA4@gmail.com>

Yes that roofing filter is where it?s at.  

I always recommend that to anyone if they are looking to purchase a KX3.

Love mine.  Frank KG9H

> On Jul 27, 2017, at 10:30 PM, Mike Morrow <kk5f at earthlink.net> wrote:
> 
> I was surprised that the KX2 ranked **18** positions BELOW the KX3.  That shows the KX3 is a really remarkable world-class achievement.   Plus, at least an early system schematic (excluding the KX3-2M two-meter module and PX3) is available.  That leaves the KXBC3 battery/RTC as the only mediocre component in the system.
> 
> I decided not to buy a KX2 until and unless minimal technical information (schematic) was available.  It has become obvious that such is purposely and likely permanently withheld from most customers...a really remarkable and negative non-traditional policy for ham gear...especially gear directed to the QRP community.
> 
> Operating HF hand-held has not had any valuable application since the WWII SCR-536/BC-611 handie-talkie.  I like to operate my QRP rigs, especially high performance Elecraft units, with antennas that complement the quality of the radio.  No Elecraft rig deserves the degradation of a HF telescoping antenna.  That's pure gimmickry, IMHO  :-)
> 
> 73,
> Mike / KK5F
> 
> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com>
>> Sent: Jul 27, 2017 9:03 PM
>> 
>> Similar to our lab measurements. (Not bad for a 13 oz radio. If this were 1999, it would have been at the top of the list :)
>> 
>> Question for KX2 users: Have you tried it hand-held with a whip yet?
>> 
>> 73,
>> Wayne
>> N6KR
>> 
>>> On Jul 27, 2017, at 6:11 PM, John AE5X <ae5x at juno.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I haven't seen this mentioned here yet...KX2 receiver specs were added yesterday:
>>> 
>>> http://www.sherweng.com/table.html
>>> 
>>> John AE5X
>>> http://ae5x.blogspot.com/
> 
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From dave.w8ov at gmail.com  Fri Jul 28 10:22:48 2017
From: dave.w8ov at gmail.com (David Koch)
Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2017 09:22:48 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] For Sale: Heil Headset - Price Reduced
Message-ID: <3d3baa81-7c9a-d08f-8fc1-990e377efdb4@gmail.com>

Posting this for a friend.  Please see his contact info below.

For Sale - HEIL Pro-Set K2 Headset with Mic, $90

    For use with KX3, K2, and K3.  Purchased from Elecraft in March 
2014.  HEIL iC mic element.  Comes with 3.5mm stereo headphone and mono 
microphone connectors that plug directly into the KX3. (Also includes 
1/4" headphone and 8 pin adapters for the K2/K3). You can use the KX3 
XMIT button or VOX for TX PTT.  Current List Price $165.

Buyer pays shipping ($19 via USPS Priority Mail).

Contact Dick, K8BWE, at 727-264-6105 or dbmbtab at gmail.com



From ae5x at juno.com  Fri Jul 28 10:23:35 2017
From: ae5x at juno.com (John AE5X)
Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2017 14:23:35 GMT
Subject: [Elecraft]  KX2 added to Sherwood's list
Message-ID: <20170728.092335.10364.0@webmail04.vgs.untd.com>

I notice that the KX2's narrow dynamic range is tested at a 3 kHz bandwidth. Other radios on Sherwood's list are measured at either 2, 3 and 5 kHz. Doesn't this make direct comparison between various radios (and list order - since they are listed by dynamic range order) invalid?

John AE5X
http://ae5x.blogspot.com/
___________________


>Similar to our lab measurements. (Not bad for a 13 oz radio. If this were 1999, it would have been at >the top of the list :)
>
>
>73,
>Wayne
>N6KR


> On Jul 27, 2017, at 6:11 PM, John AE5X <ae5x at juno.com> wrote:
> 
> I haven't seen this mentioned here yet...KX2 receiver specs were added yesterday:
> 
> http://www.sherweng.com/table.html




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From mt.grewe at gmail.com  Fri Jul 28 13:13:42 2017
From: mt.grewe at gmail.com (Martin Theodor Grewe)
Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2017 19:13:42 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 (SN01674) and CW in SSB - Feature request
In-Reply-To: <cfd39ffe-12ac-19f0-6cf0-03917275cb85@embarqmail.com>
References: <CAD5pLL=zBD19L7R8t8HWEW4dV_jnJ_n-UC3gywbHTpBD2jCMnQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<e1be2e69-feed-7cb4-29e9-1d08a0b3ad9a@embarqmail.com>
	<CAD5pLL=Pq99ing2=KbheM-QKsa1=43=QpYEgjfi6+LF9M0=2bQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<cfd39ffe-12ac-19f0-6cf0-03917275cb85@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAD5pLL=NnfXuBZ_UBMu1TBrqF5AhP7z58epJDrJ05xJYFswqWg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Don,

thanks for your answer and the idea to use macros.

At this time I use KX3 utility to setup a macro for testing.

E.g.:
Macro 2: CWINSSB DELAY;MD3;DELAY;DELAY;KS014;BW0240;SWT11;SWT19;MD2;
Starting mode: SSB: switch to CW, Keyer speed 14, bandwith 2.4kHz, Key MSG
and Key 1... then back to SSB.

Due to the "CW Text to send"-time the MD2 is ignored and I do not like to
set "random" DELAYs to get MD2 working, depending an keyer speed.
Any suggestions?

Kind regards,
73 de Martin, DL1MTG

2017-07-28 0:15 GMT+02:00 Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com>:

> Martin,
>
> Yes, the CW memories will not work well with CW in SSB.
> Input from the paddles or hand key should work fine.
>
> If you must use the CW memories, you must switch to CW mode and set the
> frequency above or below the SSB frequency.  Perhaps a macro could be
> created to do that with one button push, and another to go back to SSB.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
>
> On 7/27/2017 8:39 AM, Martin Theodor Grewe wrote:
>
>> Hi Don,
>>
>> thanks for your answer ?and Explanation. CW WGHT is known but not helpful
>> in this case.
>>
>> I'll try to explan: CW WGHT is set to 800Hz. I'am operating in USB, using
>> CW-In-SSB. I can answer the station.
>> But station cannot read my signal, I try to answer with an stored CW
>> Memory because I am lazy. Now I have to
>> change mode from SSB to CW to get CW Memory ... and so on with the next
>> SSB-session answering a cw Station again.
>>
>> This is, for my understanding, a bit too much: Change mode, activate cw
>> keyer etc.
>>
>> Its easier to have "Extended CW memories" only for CW-IN-SSB in SSB-mode.
>>
>>
>

From k5aj at gmx.com  Fri Jul 28 13:49:01 2017
From: k5aj at gmx.com (k5aj at gmx.com)
Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2017 12:49:01 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Query, KPA500 Remote Opns
Message-ID: <597B790D.2070409@gmx.com>

Hello,
This is my 2nd attempt to get this into the digest.
Is there a way to remotely cause the KPA500 to switch
between OPERATE and STANDBY?

With the new Flex 2.0 Software, the entire flex
radio can be operated over IP.  Ultimately, there
ought to be a way to allow the KPA500 to switch Standby/Operate
over IP in tandem with the Flex SDR 2.0 software.

Next question, and this may be too hard to do.  Is there a
way for a remote operator to ascertain the KPA500's SWR/Pwr
remotely over IP, so I won't have to beam an IP camera to the
Elecraft front panel?

Thanks much,
Jack

From k6mr at outlook.com  Fri Jul 28 14:06:50 2017
From: k6mr at outlook.com (Ken K6MR)
Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2017 18:06:50 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Query, KPA500 Remote Opns
In-Reply-To: <597B790D.2070409@gmx.com>
References: <597B790D.2070409@gmx.com>
Message-ID: <MWHPR13MB132532AAE6B2BE1ACBFFC16F9EBF0@MWHPR13MB1325.namprd13.prod.outlook.com>

Yes. Use the Elecraft KPA500 remote software

http://www.elecraft.com/k2_remote.htm#k3remote

You can run it client/server if you have a PC on the remote end or use a serial or USB server.

Ken K6MR

From: k5aj at gmx.com<mailto:k5aj at gmx.com>
Sent: Friday, July 28, 2017 10:50
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net<mailto:elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: [Elecraft] Query, KPA500 Remote Opns

Hello,
This is my 2nd attempt to get this into the digest.
Is there a way to remotely cause the KPA500 to switch
between OPERATE and STANDBY?

With the new Flex 2.0 Software, the entire flex
radio can be operated over IP.  Ultimately, there
ought to be a way to allow the KPA500 to switch Standby/Operate
over IP in tandem with the Flex SDR 2.0 software.

Next question, and this may be too hard to do.  Is there a
way for a remote operator to ascertain the KPA500's SWR/Pwr
remotely over IP, so I won't have to beam an IP camera to the
Elecraft front panel?

Thanks much,
Jack
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From ctate at ewnetinc.com  Fri Jul 28 14:48:13 2017
From: ctate at ewnetinc.com (Chris Tate - N6WM)
Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2017 18:48:13 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Query, KPA500 Remote Opns
In-Reply-To: <MWHPR13MB132532AAE6B2BE1ACBFFC16F9EBF0@MWHPR13MB1325.namprd13.prod.outlook.com>
References: <597B790D.2070409@gmx.com>,
	<MWHPR13MB132532AAE6B2BE1ACBFFC16F9EBF0@MWHPR13MB1325.namprd13.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <236350B81BC09D42B8C3B41A97C654DD1FC7CBB8@AUSP01DAG0504.collaborationhost.net>

This will require some knowledge of vpn and/or port forwarding to handle remotely.

The new flex remote software does not use VPN and dynamically configures UPNP enabled routers, thus there will be a bit of additional tweaking and knowledge needed to accomplish this.

~Chris
N6WM
________________________________________
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] on behalf of Ken K6MR [k6mr at outlook.com]
Sent: Friday, July 28, 2017 11:06 AM
To: k5aj at gmx.com; elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Query, KPA500 Remote Opns

Yes. Use the Elecraft KPA500 remote software

http://www.elecraft.com/k2_remote.htm#k3remote

You can run it client/server if you have a PC on the remote end or use a serial or USB server.

Ken K6MR

From: k5aj at gmx.com<mailto:k5aj at gmx.com>
Sent: Friday, July 28, 2017 10:50
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net<mailto:elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: [Elecraft] Query, KPA500 Remote Opns

Hello,
This is my 2nd attempt to get this into the digest.
Is there a way to remotely cause the KPA500 to switch
between OPERATE and STANDBY?

With the new Flex 2.0 Software, the entire flex
radio can be operated over IP.  Ultimately, there
ought to be a way to allow the KPA500 to switch Standby/Operate
over IP in tandem with the Flex SDR 2.0 software.

Next question, and this may be too hard to do.  Is there a
way for a remote operator to ascertain the KPA500's SWR/Pwr
remotely over IP, so I won't have to beam an IP camera to the
Elecraft front panel?

Thanks much,
Jack
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From va3mw at portcredit.net  Fri Jul 28 14:49:40 2017
From: va3mw at portcredit.net (Michael Walker)
Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2017 14:49:40 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Query, KPA500 Remote Opns
In-Reply-To: <597B790D.2070409@gmx.com>
References: <597B790D.2070409@gmx.com>
Message-ID: <CA+33ts6cOkjAt5PBPKg75-S=PX-MVwy0GHTYFy+MnNc7wYfbpg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Jack

I do use my 6300 with the KPA500 and have done so for over 2 years.

The way I do it is with a local pc at the remote.

The other way for you would be to install a serial to ip converted at your
remote and then run the KPA500 software at home.  In the configuration of
the Serial To IP converter this will work.

The RemoteQTH Server has most of this built in as well and then you can
expand to control more items.

Mike va3mw


On Fri, Jul 28, 2017 at 1:49 PM, k5aj at gmx.com <k5aj at gmx.com> wrote:

> Hello,
> This is my 2nd attempt to get this into the digest.
> Is there a way to remotely cause the KPA500 to switch
> between OPERATE and STANDBY?
>
> With the new Flex 2.0 Software, the entire flex
> radio can be operated over IP.  Ultimately, there
> ought to be a way to allow the KPA500 to switch Standby/Operate
> over IP in tandem with the Flex SDR 2.0 software.
>
> Next question, and this may be too hard to do.  Is there a
> way for a remote operator to ascertain the KPA500's SWR/Pwr
> remotely over IP, so I won't have to beam an IP camera to the
> Elecraft front panel?
>
> Thanks much,
> Jack
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From ctate at ewnetinc.com  Fri Jul 28 14:51:16 2017
From: ctate at ewnetinc.com (Chris Tate - N6WM)
Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2017 18:51:16 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Query, KPA500 Remote Opns
In-Reply-To: <236350B81BC09D42B8C3B41A97C654DD1FC7CBB8@AUSP01DAG0504.collaborationhost.net>
References: <597B790D.2070409@gmx.com>,
	<MWHPR13MB132532AAE6B2BE1ACBFFC16F9EBF0@MWHPR13MB1325.namprd13.prod.outlook.com>,
	<236350B81BC09D42B8C3B41A97C654DD1FC7CBB8@AUSP01DAG0504.collaborationhost.net>
Message-ID: <236350B81BC09D42B8C3B41A97C654DD1FC7CC26@AUSP01DAG0504.collaborationhost.net>

As far as the SWR piece, I have found pairing a W2 wattmeter particularly useful with this configuration, that can also be set up in a client/server configuration when paired with a pc on the remote end.
________________________________________
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] on behalf of Chris Tate - N6WM [ctate at ewnetinc.com]
Sent: Friday, July 28, 2017 11:48 AM
To: Ken K6MR; k5aj at gmx.com; elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Query, KPA500 Remote Opns

This will require some knowledge of vpn and/or port forwarding to handle remotely.

The new flex remote software does not use VPN and dynamically configures UPNP enabled routers, thus there will be a bit of additional tweaking and knowledge needed to accomplish this.

~Chris
N6WM
________________________________________
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] on behalf of Ken K6MR [k6mr at outlook.com]
Sent: Friday, July 28, 2017 11:06 AM
To: k5aj at gmx.com; elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Query, KPA500 Remote Opns

Yes. Use the Elecraft KPA500 remote software

http://www.elecraft.com/k2_remote.htm#k3remote

You can run it client/server if you have a PC on the remote end or use a serial or USB server.

Ken K6MR

From: k5aj at gmx.com<mailto:k5aj at gmx.com>
Sent: Friday, July 28, 2017 10:50
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net<mailto:elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: [Elecraft] Query, KPA500 Remote Opns

Hello,
This is my 2nd attempt to get this into the digest.
Is there a way to remotely cause the KPA500 to switch
between OPERATE and STANDBY?

With the new Flex 2.0 Software, the entire flex
radio can be operated over IP.  Ultimately, there
ought to be a way to allow the KPA500 to switch Standby/Operate
over IP in tandem with the Flex SDR 2.0 software.

Next question, and this may be too hard to do.  Is there a
way for a remote operator to ascertain the KPA500's SWR/Pwr
remotely over IP, so I won't have to beam an IP camera to the
Elecraft front panel?

Thanks much,
Jack
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From bbaines at mac.com  Fri Jul 28 15:03:33 2017
From: bbaines at mac.com (Barry Baines)
Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2017 15:03:33 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Query, KPA500 Remote Opns
In-Reply-To: <597B790D.2070409@gmx.com>
References: <597B790D.2070409@gmx.com>
Message-ID: <E238B44C-F8C2-4B78-B40C-C121663A4606@mac.com>

Jack:

The way I manage my KPA500 remotely is via a Remote Rig RC-1216H which provides a web-based interface to manage the KPA500.  

See:   http://www.remoterig.com/wp/?page_id=636 <http://www.remoterig.com/wp/?page_id=636>

Ham Radio Outlet carries this product. See:  http://www.hamradio.com/detail.cfm?pid=H0-013985 <http://www.hamradio.com/detail.cfm?pid=H0-013985>
The price has gone up since I purchased mine (I have two-the other remotely interfaces with my Green Heron azimuth controller)

The web page looks like the front panel of the KPA500, allowing you to do everything remotely that you can do at the amplifier, including seeing what power output and SWR is being measured by the amplifier.  You can turn on/off the amp, place in Standby/Operate, set band switches, etc.  I?ve found this approach to be very effective and relatively easy to setup.  

The advantage of this approach are several:

1. Manage your amp from your current location with any device that has a web browser (iPad, iPhone, Mac, PC, Android device etc.).  No need for a PC in the shack itself to manage the amplifier using Elecraft KPA500 software.  My preference is to avoid running PCs in the shack when I?m not there because PCs do hang up and consume power.  If something goes wrong, it could be months before I?m back at the shack.  I?ve been unsuccessful in getting ?Wake on LAN? to work.  Thus, I manage my station without the necessity of having a PC running in the shack.

Using Maestro along with a smartphone/tablet is a nice way to manage everything. If you?re using SmartSDR 2.0 for iOS, you can manage both the Flex and the KPA500 on the same device.

2. The amp can still be interfaced with the Elecraft K3 (if you have one) for auto band switching and communication through the KPA500?s ACC port while using the RS232 port for remote access.  

3. Independent verification of KPA500 status.  

You will probably need to setup Port Forwarding for the RC-1216H, manually specifying a Local IP address for the RC-1216H on your local network and then defining a TCP Port (other than Port 80, the default for web browser connections) to make it specific for that device. You?ll then need to setup DDNS so that you can access the LAN from the outside network.  Depending upon the router you use, you may have that ability built into the router.  Once configured, all you need to do is specify on your browser your ham shack WAN address (using either the DDNS address or the actual IP assignment for your location) followed by a colon and the TCP Port for the RC-1216H (e.g. hamshack.dyndns.org:90 <http://hamshack.dyndns.org:90/>)   

Keep in mind that the 1216H interfaces to the KPA500 through the RS-232 port.  If you intend to connect to the KPA500 through RS-232 to other devices (such as a PC), you?ll have to either 1) reconnect manually the RS232 cable to the appropriate connection), or provide a means for passing RS232 between the KPA500 and more than one device, such as via software on a PC

In my case, I use the KPA500 RS232 port just for RC-1216H.  If I need to access a PC for KPA500 firmware upgrades for example, I use a temporary cable connection. 

I use the KPA500 with the K3 series so I can?t speak to specific setup/operation with the Flex-6xxx series. I have a Flex but since I?m not physically at the ham shack, have yet to download/setup SmartLink under v2.0 and the new firmware.  I hope to do that next weekend when I?m back at the shack in SE Georgia.  For the past three years I?ve operated remotely using my Elecraft K3/KPA500/KAT500 using the K3/0-Mini, so I?ll be interested to see how well the Flex WAN capability functions when the ham shack has relatively slow internet (at best 1.2 Mbps upload, 20 Mbps download).


Hope this helps,

Barry, WD4ASW
(Currently in Columbia, SC)

 

> On Jul 28, 2017, at 1:49 PM, k5aj at gmx.com wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> This is my 2nd attempt to get this into the digest.
> Is there a way to remotely cause the KPA500 to switch
> between OPERATE and STANDBY?
> 
> With the new Flex 2.0 Software, the entire flex
> radio can be operated over IP.  Ultimately, there
> ought to be a way to allow the KPA500 to switch Standby/Operate
> over IP in tandem with the Flex SDR 2.0 software.
> 
> Next question, and this may be too hard to do.  Is there a
> way for a remote operator to ascertain the KPA500's SWR/Pwr
> remotely over IP, so I won't have to beam an IP camera to the
> Elecraft front panel?
> 
> Thanks much,
> Jack
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From dew7brs at gmail.com  Fri Jul 28 16:04:55 2017
From: dew7brs at gmail.com (W7BRS Jeff Wandling)
Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2017 13:04:55 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Upgrade Path to Satellite Work.
Message-ID: <CAL3WhfdnbmxY=9qPkrG1i7wOmsCtSwSFBBpe=b3SEcK7dyosYQ@mail.gmail.com>

Years ago, I used to own a IC-910h.

For some stupid reason I sold it when I got distracted by something else
that was important.  That was about 10 years ago.  Lesson learned.

I have always kept my K3 though.  I have done a bit of DX'ing with it for a
long while.

Now, I want to re-enter the Satellite work again, and I need a full duplex
Transceiver that can also work 2m/440.

Is there an upgrade path from a *SN #2100* era K3 to one that can do

a) Full Duplex (I assume this means getting the K3-SUB) and
b) Tx on 2m for uplink and Rx 440 on down,  or  Tx 2m on uplink and Rx 10m
down.

In other words, as long as I can do all of this:

1.  K3SUB can Rx 2m/440 and the main Tx 2m/440
2.  K3SUB can Rx HF and main Tx 2m/440


I don't expect to need to Tx 2m/440 more than 10W ever.

Then, we're good.

I'm lost on the elecraft page of parts/kits.  My how things have changed
there.

By the way I didn't see it, but is there a 1.2Ghz  KIT ?  Not required, but
would be nice.

Any kind soul, please help me out with an upgrade path of which kits I need
to get to do the full-duplex Satellite work that I used to enjoy.  (I'm all
set on the antennas and such, just need the upgrades to the RIG).

Thanks so much.
73
W7BRS

From aa4r at chartermi.net  Fri Jul 28 16:18:56 2017
From: aa4r at chartermi.net (Bill Parris)
Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2017 16:18:56 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] FW:  K3S & P3 for Sale
In-Reply-To: <002201d3064f$b51e20f0$1f5a62d0$@chartermi.net>
References: <002201d3064f$b51e20f0$1f5a62d0$@chartermi.net>
Message-ID: <000401d307de$bd7d0e60$38772b20$@chartermi.net>

Unit has been sold

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Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 4:43 PM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S & P3 for Sale

K3S & P3 factory assembled for sale.  Serial Nr 10244, purchased 8/26/15 at
a cost of $6,069.  ATU & 100w upgrade.  Includes second receiver, hand mic,
general coverage RX module, Digital voice recorder, 2.7 kHz 5 pole filter,
2.1 kHz, 8 pole roofing filter, 250, 400 & 6 kHz 8 pole filters.  Like new
condition.  Includes Fred Cady's new K3s book   Total package $4,300 plus
shipping.  Contact Bill, AA4R at 231-352-7093 or aa4r at chartermi.net

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From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Fri Jul 28 16:29:03 2017
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2017 16:29:03 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Upgrade Path to Satellite Work.
In-Reply-To: <CAL3WhfdnbmxY=9qPkrG1i7wOmsCtSwSFBBpe=b3SEcK7dyosYQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAL3WhfdnbmxY=9qPkrG1i7wOmsCtSwSFBBpe=b3SEcK7dyosYQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <649d1e52-db52-e762-cc1e-0a86abf721c8@embarqmail.com>

Sorry, but the K3 (or K3S) cannot do full duplex.
The only internal transverter is the K144XV.  Elecraft does have the XV 
series external transverters for 50, 144, 222, and 432 MHz.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 7/28/2017 4:04 PM, W7BRS Jeff Wandling wrote:
> Years ago, I used to own a IC-910h.
> 
> For some stupid reason I sold it when I got distracted by something else
> that was important.  That was about 10 years ago.  Lesson learned.
> 
> I have always kept my K3 though.  I have done a bit of DX'ing with it for a
> long while.
> 
> Now, I want to re-enter the Satellite work again, and I need a full duplex
> Transceiver that can also work 2m/440.
> 
> Is there an upgrade path from a *SN #2100* era K3 to one that can do
> 
> a) Full Duplex (I assume this means getting the K3-SUB) and
> b) Tx on 2m for uplink and Rx 440 on down,  or  Tx 2m on uplink and Rx 10m
> down.
> 
> In other words, as long as I can do all of this:
> 
> 1.  K3SUB can Rx 2m/440 and the main Tx 2m/440
> 2.  K3SUB can Rx HF and main Tx 2m/440
> 
> 
> I don't expect to need to Tx 2m/440 more than 10W ever.
> 
> Then, we're good.
> 
> I'm lost on the elecraft page of parts/kits.  My how things have changed
> there.
> 
> By the way I didn't see it, but is there a 1.2Ghz  KIT ?  Not required, but
> would be nice.
> 
> Any kind soul, please help me out with an upgrade path of which kits I need
> to get to do the full-duplex Satellite work that I used to enjoy.  (I'm all
> set on the antennas and such, just need the upgrades to the RIG).
> 
> Thanks so much.
> 73
> W7BRS
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From wa6nhc at gmail.com  Fri Jul 28 16:33:54 2017
From: wa6nhc at gmail.com (Rick WA6NHC)
Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2017 13:33:54 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Query, KPA500 Remote Opns
In-Reply-To: <E238B44C-F8C2-4B78-B40C-C121663A4606@mac.com>
References: <597B790D.2070409@gmx.com>
	<E238B44C-F8C2-4B78-B40C-C121663A4606@mac.com>
Message-ID: <6ea4d6ee-870e-f010-f3aa-4706e00de517@gmail.com>

The bottom line is that you have to have some form of PC/device at the 
amplifier to get the status data to your location.  It must contain a 
serial (via USB acceptable) port to communicate with the KPA500.

You can use an older computer (or you could add a Raspberry Pi 3 for 
cheap, WiFi connect), running Win7+ or linux then the KPA500 utility 
program (remote or not; some careful port forwarding on your router).  
That can be done for under $100US if you don't get carried away in 
packaging the device.

If you have a power outage, the computer/device should be set to reboot 
upon power available.  Likewise, a means of remotely rebooting it is 
very useful (Murphy lives).

An option (what I do) is to run the entire station (K3, KAT500, KPA500, 
later a rotator) on a PC, then run that PC remotely.  Since I run HRD, 
whatever tools I choose (rig control, logging for examples) are remotely 
available (logging being location accurate since I'm 'operating' from 
that station).  I add the KPA/KAT utilities and I have access to all 
aspects of the station, at the station console or remotely. [Eventually 
it will all be run on battery, including the network, so a power outage 
means less problems.]

I use TeamViewer (available on many platforms) to run the station PC 
remotely.  That may involve a means to determine the current control 
device IP (Dynamic DNS), but since I also run an IRLP node, that issue 
is resolved since that is a feature of IRLP (I use the node address FQDN).

In my configuration, I can 'see' the freq/mode (HRD), power output, SWR, 
voltage, temps etc on the KAP500, verify the power/SWR/antenna choice on 
the KAT500; all via HRD and the KPA/KAT utilities.  For audio, I use 
Skype (via a SignaLink which I also use for some digital modes) with the 
bonus that if I have enough local (where I am) bandwidth, I can enable 
the web cam to see the P3, front panel(s) or whatever I choose (before I 
leave). Your Flexware should be similar, just add a device for your 
other components of the station.

Since the K line was designed so well, no one knows is I'm home or 
away.  Well done Elecraft.

I use PTT remotely, not VOX, so the only caveat is if there is 
borderline bandwidth, I must be super careful to not let the transmitter 
be locked up. For that I tend to use HRD macros for digital modes (with 
an end transmission command at the end of each message) or K3 memories 
(CW).  If I lose a connection mid phone transmission,the transmitter 
will be active but (almost) nothing would be sent (no audio); then I 
simply reconnect (TeamViewer only, nothing else, minimize the limited 
bandwidth) to disable the transmitter until I have better bandwidth.  
Even a marginal 3G cell signal has been enough from BFE to control the 
station.

It sounds complex; it isn't.  Manage your (entire) station from a local 
computer; run that computer remotely.

In the case of your Flex, use the Flexware for remote radio, a device to 
control non-Flex items and software to use that device remotely.  I've 
used an Android device, iPhone, iPad or another computer to manage the 
station remotely; it's great fun.

73,
Rick wa6nhc/7 North ID


On 7/28/2017 12:03 PM, Barry Baines wrote:
> Jack:
>
> The way I manage my KPA500 remotely is via a Remote Rig RC-1216H which provides a web-based interface to manage the KPA500.
>
> S...
> Barry, WD4ASW
> (Currently in Columbia, SC)
>
>   
>
>> On Jul 28, 2017, at 1:49 PM, k5aj at gmx.com wrote:
>>
>> Hello,
>> This is my 2nd attempt to get this into the digest.
>> Is there a way to remotely cause the KPA500 to switch
>> between OPERATE and STANDBY?
>>
>> With the new Flex 2.0 Software, the entire flex
>> radio can be operated over IP.  Ultimately, there
>> ought to be a way to allow the KPA500 to switch Standby/Operate
>> over IP in tandem with the Flex SDR 2.0 software.
>>
>> Next question, and this may be too hard to do.  Is there a
>> way for a remote operator to ascertain the KPA500's SWR/Pwr
>> remotely over IP, so I won't have to beam an IP camera to the
>> Elecraft front panel?
>>
>> Thanks much,
>> Jack
>> _______


From bbaines at mac.com  Fri Jul 28 16:34:11 2017
From: bbaines at mac.com (Barry Baines)
Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2017 16:34:11 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Upgrade Path to Satellite Work.
In-Reply-To: <CAL3WhfdnbmxY=9qPkrG1i7wOmsCtSwSFBBpe=b3SEcK7dyosYQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAL3WhfdnbmxY=9qPkrG1i7wOmsCtSwSFBBpe=b3SEcK7dyosYQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <EB96A0A2-18B1-4ED5-BACC-831CA3B4A0AB@mac.com>

Jeff:

> On Jul 28, 2017, at 4:04 PM, W7BRS Jeff Wandling <dew7brs at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Years ago, I used to own a IC-910h.
> 
> For some stupid reason I sold it when I got distracted by something else
> that was important.  That was about 10 years ago.  Lesson learned.
> 
> I have always kept my K3 though.  I have done a bit of DX'ing with it for a
> long while.
> 
> Now, I want to re-enter the Satellite work again, and I need a full duplex
> Transceiver that can also work 2m/440.
> 
> Is there an upgrade path from a *SN #2100* era K3 to one that can do
> 
> a) Full Duplex (I assume this means getting the K3-SUB) and
> b) Tx on 2m for uplink and Rx 440 on down,  or  Tx 2m on uplink and Rx 10m
> down.
> 
> In other words, as long as I can do all of this:
> 
> 1.  K3SUB can Rx 2m/440 and the main Tx 2m/440
> 2.  K3SUB can Rx HF and main Tx 2m/440
> 
> 
> I don?t expect to need to Tx 2m/440 more than 10W ever.

There is a built-in all mode Two Meter module for the K3 that you could install (K144XV).  

For 70CM, the only option for use with a K3 that I?m aware of are transverters.  Elecraft offers transverters for various bands (See:  http://www.elecraft.com/XV/XV.htm <http://www.elecraft.com/XV/XV.htm>) or look at product offerings from Down East Microwave.  

See:  http://www.downeastmicrowave.com/category-s/1836.htm <http://www.downeastmicrowave.com/category-s/1836.htm>


> 
> Then, we're good.
> 
> I'm lost on the elecraft page of parts/kits.  My how things have changed
> there.
> 
> By the way I didn't see it, but is there a 1.2Ghz  KIT ?  Not required, but
> would be nice.


Elecraft doesn?t offer a 1.2 GHz capability but Down East Microwave does.   However, until Fox-1C and Fox-1D are launched, there aren?t any L-Band uplink capable amateur satellites currently in service.  Fox-1C is manifested to fly on a SpaceX Falcon-9 SSO-A launch from Vandenberg AFB in early 2018   Fox-1D is currently expected to fly on a PSLV launch from the launch complex at Satish Dhawan Space Centre in Sriharikota, India in late 2017.  


> 
> Any kind soul, please help me out with an upgrade path of which kits I need
> to get to do the full-duplex Satellite work that I used to enjoy.  (I'm all
> set on the antennas and such, just need the upgrades to the RIG).
> 

Hope this helps,

Barry Baines, WD4ASW
(Currently in Columbia, SC)


> Thanks so much.
> 73
> W7BRS


From k6dgw at foothill.net  Fri Jul 28 16:53:50 2017
From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen)
Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2017 13:53:50 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Query, KPA500 Remote Opns
In-Reply-To: <597B790D.2070409@gmx.com>
References: <597B790D.2070409@gmx.com>
Message-ID: <9dc36de8-8085-7962-d228-891d7db1e7bf@foothill.net>

There are multiple ways to do this, some more complicated than others. 
One way is to run the KPA500 Control/Display program on a local PC and 
then log into it with a remote control package such as Teamviewer. And, 
that's only one of many.

73,

Fred ("Skip") K6DGW
Sparks NV USA
Washoe County DM09dn

On 7/28/2017 10:49 AM, k5aj at gmx.com wrote:
> Hello,
> This is my 2nd attempt to get this into the digest.
> Is there a way to remotely cause the KPA500 to switch
> between OPERATE and STANDBY?
>
> With the new Flex 2.0 Software, the entire flex
> radio can be operated over IP.  Ultimately, there
> ought to be a way to allow the KPA500 to switch Standby/Operate
> over IP in tandem with the Flex SDR 2.0 software.
>
> Next question, and this may be too hard to do.  Is there a
> way for a remote operator to ascertain the KPA500's SWR/Pwr
> remotely over IP, so I won't have to beam an IP camera to the
> Elecraft front panel?


From phystad at mac.com  Fri Jul 28 16:54:32 2017
From: phystad at mac.com (Phil Hystad)
Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2017 13:54:32 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] OT -- For Sale:  Almost NEW KAT500 Auto-Tuner
Message-ID: <92B05B3C-4A31-43A2-AF7C-8282B475CB5A@mac.com>

I am selling my KAT500 Auto-Tuner for $575 plus CONUS shipping or $600 including shipping, payment requested using PayPal.

Purchased in March for use with a second non-Elecraft rig that I have since sold so I have no need for this tuner.  Serial number 2277.

If interested please direct all enquiries to my e-mail address directly.

73, phil, K7PEH


From kb2m at arrl.net  Fri Jul 28 17:07:46 2017
From: kb2m at arrl.net (Jeff Griffin)
Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2017 17:07:46 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Upgrade Path to Satellite Work.
In-Reply-To: <EB96A0A2-18B1-4ED5-BACC-831CA3B4A0AB@mac.com>
References: <CAL3WhfdnbmxY=9qPkrG1i7wOmsCtSwSFBBpe=b3SEcK7dyosYQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<EB96A0A2-18B1-4ED5-BACC-831CA3B4A0AB@mac.com>
Message-ID: <06dd01d307e5$904bfa80$b0e3ef80$@net>

Hi Jeff. It would be a lot cheaper, better, and easier then with your K3 to do full duplex with two cheaper radios. Look at the SDR setups guys are now using on the sats. Get something like an Icom 7200, 7000, 706, or any other HF,2m,70cm multi band and mode radio and use the SDR for RX. This will get you full duplex for less than a good used 910. Checking the AMSAT.org archives would be a good place to start?

73 Jeff kb2m

-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Barry Baines
Sent: Friday, July 28, 2017 4:34 PM
To: W7BRS Jeff Wandling
Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Upgrade Path to Satellite Work.

Jeff:

> On Jul 28, 2017, at 4:04 PM, W7BRS Jeff Wandling <dew7brs at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Years ago, I used to own a IC-910h.
> 
> For some stupid reason I sold it when I got distracted by something 
> else that was important.  That was about 10 years ago.  Lesson learned.
> 
> I have always kept my K3 though.  I have done a bit of DX'ing with it 
> for a long while.
> 
> Now, I want to re-enter the Satellite work again, and I need a full 
> duplex Transceiver that can also work 2m/440.
> 
> Is there an upgrade path from a *SN #2100* era K3 to one that can do
> 
> a) Full Duplex (I assume this means getting the K3-SUB) and
> b) Tx on 2m for uplink and Rx 440 on down,  or  Tx 2m on uplink and Rx 
> 10m down.
> 
> In other words, as long as I can do all of this:
> 
> 1.  K3SUB can Rx 2m/440 and the main Tx 2m/440 2.  K3SUB can Rx HF and 
> main Tx 2m/440
> 
> 
> I don?t expect to need to Tx 2m/440 more than 10W ever.

There is a built-in all mode Two Meter module for the K3 that you could install (K144XV).  

For 70CM, the only option for use with a K3 that I?m aware of are transverters.  Elecraft offers transverters for various bands (See:  http://www.elecraft.com/XV/XV.htm <http://www.elecraft.com/XV/XV.htm>) or look at product offerings from Down East Microwave.  

See:  http://www.downeastmicrowave.com/category-s/1836.htm <http://www.downeastmicrowave.com/category-s/1836.htm>


> 
> Then, we're good.
> 
> I'm lost on the elecraft page of parts/kits.  My how things have 
> changed there.
> 
> By the way I didn't see it, but is there a 1.2Ghz  KIT ?  Not 
> required, but would be nice.


Elecraft doesn?t offer a 1.2 GHz capability but Down East Microwave does.   However, until Fox-1C and Fox-1D are launched, there aren?t any L-Band uplink capable amateur satellites currently in service.  Fox-1C is manifested to fly on a SpaceX Falcon-9 SSO-A launch from Vandenberg AFB in early 2018   Fox-1D is currently expected to fly on a PSLV launch from the launch complex at Satish Dhawan Space Centre in Sriharikota, India in late 2017.  


> 
> Any kind soul, please help me out with an upgrade path of which kits I 
> need to get to do the full-duplex Satellite work that I used to enjoy.  
> (I'm all set on the antennas and such, just need the upgrades to the RIG).
> 

Hope this helps,

Barry Baines, WD4ASW
(Currently in Columbia, SC)


> Thanks so much.
> 73
> W7BRS

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From rick at tavan.com  Fri Jul 28 18:04:38 2017
From: rick at tavan.com (Rick Tavan)
Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2017 15:04:38 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Query, KPA500 Remote Opns
In-Reply-To: <236350B81BC09D42B8C3B41A97C654DD1FC7CBB8@AUSP01DAG0504.collaborationhost.net>
References: <597B790D.2070409@gmx.com>
	<MWHPR13MB132532AAE6B2BE1ACBFFC16F9EBF0@MWHPR13MB1325.namprd13.prod.outlook.com>
	<236350B81BC09D42B8C3B41A97C654DD1FC7CBB8@AUSP01DAG0504.collaborationhost.net>
Message-ID: <CANVONAKyamizJNUBw_4qq1zbzQyR-nTmdyyJnjey4=cM5FWkaA@mail.gmail.com>

KPA500 Remote does not require a VPN. In Client/Server mode, you run an
instance on a computer near the KPA500 and tell it "Start Hosting Remote."
It connects to the KPA500 via a COM port or USB-Serial connection. You
connect to it from an instance running at the control site and tell it to
"Connect to Remote." Easy peasy, no VPN.

I think you can also run a single instance of KPA500 Remote at the control
site through a remote serial port connection, again without a VPN, but I've
not tried it.

FYI, KAT500 Remote operates identically to control the ATU remotely.

Both Kxx500 Remote applications provide a very readable, full front panel
experience.

73,

/Rick

On Fri, Jul 28, 2017 at 11:48 AM, Chris Tate - N6WM <ctate at ewnetinc.com>
wrote:

> This will require some knowledge of vpn and/or port forwarding to handle
> remotely.
>
> The new flex remote software does not use VPN and dynamically configures
> UPNP enabled routers, thus there will be a bit of additional tweaking and
> knowledge needed to accomplish this.
>
> ~Chris
> N6WM
> ________________________________________
> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net]
> on behalf of Ken K6MR [k6mr at outlook.com]
> Sent: Friday, July 28, 2017 11:06 AM
> To: k5aj at gmx.com; elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Query, KPA500 Remote Opns
>
> Yes. Use the Elecraft KPA500 remote software
>
> http://www.elecraft.com/k2_remote.htm#k3remote
>
> You can run it client/server if you have a PC on the remote end or use a
> serial or USB server.
>
> Ken K6MR
>
> From: k5aj at gmx.com<mailto:k5aj at gmx.com>
> Sent: Friday, July 28, 2017 10:50
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net<mailto:elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: [Elecraft] Query, KPA500 Remote Opns
>
> Hello,
> This is my 2nd attempt to get this into the digest.
> Is there a way to remotely cause the KPA500 to switch
> between OPERATE and STANDBY?
>
> With the new Flex 2.0 Software, the entire flex
> radio can be operated over IP.  Ultimately, there
> ought to be a way to allow the KPA500 to switch Standby/Operate
> over IP in tandem with the Flex SDR 2.0 software.
>
> Next question, and this may be too hard to do.  Is there a
> way for a remote operator to ascertain the KPA500's SWR/Pwr
> remotely over IP, so I won't have to beam an IP camera to the
> Elecraft front panel?
>
> Thanks much,
> Jack
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From k6um.elist at gmail.com  Fri Jul 28 18:25:39 2017
From: k6um.elist at gmail.com (Steve Lund)
Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2017 22:25:39 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 dead?
Message-ID: <CALa16y7KNG=oFqsP9MBVPF0A9oCpRFUZk7OML+s764s63Q5EeA@mail.gmail.com>

It appears that my KPA500 has failed. It has a permanent "PA DISS" on all
bands. Just before that fault it smelt like wire insulation was burning (no
smoke). It has this condition on 160 - 6m. The fans seem to be running fine
and the PA temp was 50C. I've run the KPA500 on JT65/MSK144/FT8 for over a
month on 6m without a problem.

I was using the amp on 6m with 400w out (about all I can get on that band
with 110vac). I had just finished a QSO on FT8. I can only get about 50w
out before the "PA DISS" occurs.

I've opened the top cover and see no obvious damage. Are there any other
checks before sending it back to Elecraft?

Thanks,
Steve, K6UM

From k9yeq at live.com  Fri Jul 28 18:34:39 2017
From: k9yeq at live.com (Bill Johnson)
Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2017 22:34:39 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 added to Sherwood's list
In-Reply-To: <63DDE690-A324-45FF-B971-D2949B005420@elecraft.com>
References: <20170727.201134.16402.0@webmail13.vgs.untd.com>
	<8A2C1DD3-BEC3-4844-A44A-930CA5170326@elecraft.com>
	<236350B81BC09D42B8C3B41A97C654DD1FC7A96D@AUSP01DAG0504.collaborationhost.net>
	<63DDE690-A324-45FF-B971-D2949B005420@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <RO1P152MB0907732B6D17E5363911117A9CBF0@RO1P152MB0907.LAMP152.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

Yes, and I have used a whip for pedestrian with success.  A 20 meter Maldol works on that band and my favorite 17 meters.  Just need better band condx.  But that is our hobby, dependent on conditions.  Run 1500 watts in poor condx with super antennas, same result, NADA!

72 & 73,
Bill
K9YEQ, FT'er for K2, KX1, KX3, KXPA100,  KAT500, W2, etc. 

-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Wayne Burdick
Sent: Friday, July 28, 2017 12:00 AM
To: Chris Tate - N6WM <ctate at ewnetinc.com>
Cc: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>; John AE5X <ae5x at juno.com>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX2 added to Sherwood's list

Of course a great antenna makes a huge difference. But I do enjoy the ultimate challenge provided by compromise antennas, and sometimes a whip is all you have time to deploy.

Wayne
N6KR

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> On Jul 27, 2017, at 9:55 PM, Chris Tate - N6WM <ctate at ewnetinc.com> wrote:
> 
> Wayne,
> 
> After I used my KX2 using a KXB2 on the beach on the Windward side of Oahu, interfaced with a low end laptop on battery power and connected to a half wave dipole, a half wave from the surf, and hearing the quiet noise floor, q5 sigs and being heard and spotted all over north America and working into n NA,  the EU and Asia qrp???
> 
> This is an awesome little go anywhere rig.  
> 
> But I do think that a big part of that formula was that nice wire at the beach with an infinite GP.. and not sure the whip would produce that result..  but probably could do pretty well in the same environment none the less.
> 
> Grab and go rig.. best one around.
> 
> ~Chris
> N6WM
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net 
> [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Wayne Burdick
> Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2017 7:04 PM
> To: John AE5X <ae5x at juno.com>
> Cc: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KX2 added to Sherwood's list
> 
> Similar to our lab measurements. (Not bad for a 13 oz radio. If this 
> were 1999, it would have been at the top of the list :)
> 
> Question for KX2 users: Have you tried it hand-held with a whip yet?
> 
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR
> 
> 
>> On Jul 27, 2017, at 6:11 PM, John AE5X <ae5x at juno.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I haven't seen this mentioned here yet...KX2 receiver specs were added yesterday:
>> 
>> http://www.sherweng.com/table.html
>> 
>> John AE5X
>> http://ae5x.blogspot.com/
> 
> 
> 
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From jackbrindle at me.com  Fri Jul 28 19:40:43 2017
From: jackbrindle at me.com (Jack Brindle)
Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2017 16:40:43 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 dead?
In-Reply-To: <CALa16y7KNG=oFqsP9MBVPF0A9oCpRFUZk7OML+s764s63Q5EeA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALa16y7KNG=oFqsP9MBVPF0A9oCpRFUZk7OML+s764s63Q5EeA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0692D358-F7DF-4EA3-812B-EC17C0979120@me.com>

Steve;

It is 4:40 on a Friday. If you haven?t done so already, call Customer Support NOW!

This is not good. My suspicion is circuitry on the PA sandwich, possibly the input
network.

- Jack, W6FB
Elecraft Engineering


> On Jul 28, 2017, at 3:25 PM, Steve Lund <k6um.elist at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> It appears that my KPA500 has failed. It has a permanent "PA DISS" on all
> bands. Just before that fault it smelt like wire insulation was burning (no
> smoke). It has this condition on 160 - 6m. The fans seem to be running fine
> and the PA temp was 50C. I've run the KPA500 on JT65/MSK144/FT8 for over a
> month on 6m without a problem.
> 
> I was using the amp on 6m with 400w out (about all I can get on that band
> with 110vac). I had just finished a QSO on FT8. I can only get about 50w
> out before the "PA DISS" occurs.
> 
> I've opened the top cover and see no obvious damage. Are there any other
> checks before sending it back to Elecraft?
> 
> Thanks,
> Steve, K6UM
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From wn3r.us at gmail.com  Fri Jul 28 21:03:26 2017
From: wn3r.us at gmail.com (Richard Hayman)
Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2017 21:03:26 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Trade ? Time to go BIG.
Message-ID: <EAB3B968-3DD9-4BCF-8957-5D37898907EB@gmail.com>

Interested in trading my K3/0 for your K3-mini. Any takers?

73, Dick, WN3R 

Sent from my iPad Pro 10.5?

From km6cq at km6cq.com  Fri Jul 28 23:11:51 2017
From: km6cq at km6cq.com (Dan Baker)
Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2017 03:11:51 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Do not sign /QRP
Message-ID: <CADH=N1vUj=GRmeB2HTfK0YAEWcBKpD_LWAkTEB4wPcV5pM80xQ@mail.gmail.com>

Yep thats right do not sign /QRP. Sign /KX2 or /KX3. This way an
experienced operator will know immediately that you are no fool and that
this is a Q worth pursuing.

73, Dan KM6CQ
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From aurich85 at yahoo.com  Sat Jul 29 00:05:49 2017
From: aurich85 at yahoo.com (Luke)
Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2017 04:05:49 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 added to Sherwood's list
References: <830680769.2144270.1501301149398.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <830680769.2144270.1501301149398@mail.yahoo.com>

Just a couple weeks ago I took my KX2 out to a local park during my lunch break and made a contact using it as a HT, using the MFJ-1820T and a 12' counterpoise. From setting it up and makinge a quick 20m SSB contact took me all of about 3 minutes.
Yeah, it's not the preferred technique, but it worked :-)
LukeAD0KI

From k6dgw at foothill.net  Sat Jul 29 00:37:39 2017
From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen)
Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2017 21:37:39 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Do not sign /QRP
In-Reply-To: <CADH=N1vUj=GRmeB2HTfK0YAEWcBKpD_LWAkTEB4wPcV5pM80xQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADH=N1vUj=GRmeB2HTfK0YAEWcBKpD_LWAkTEB4wPcV5pM80xQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d09ec35d-0d72-0809-ee73-e47c8cd3adc8@foothill.net>

Sadly Dan, both /KX2 and /KX3... and /K3, /K2,/KX1, /KPA<anything>, 
KAT<anything> ... are all non-compliant for US hams.  All the K's belong 
to the US as ITU-assigned prefixes./KM6is as well, although Elecraft 
hasn't made one of those yet, however they are all valid US prefixes, 
and thus ineligible for indicators.

This is all pretty simple, there's a table you can get from "you know 
where," and the rest is really easy.  You won't [likely] go to jail or 
be [likely] fined for using your suggestion on the air, but if 
compliance with the rules matters to you, the rules are pretty clear.

73,

Fred ("Skip") K6DGW
Sparks NV USA
Washoe County DM09dn


On 7/28/2017 8:11 PM, Dan Baker wrote:
> Yep thats right do not sign /QRP. Sign /KX2 or /KX3. This way an
> experienced operator will know immediately that you are no fool and that
> this is a Q worth pursuing.
>
> 73, Dan KM6CQ


From dave at ad6a.com  Sat Jul 29 02:20:21 2017
From: dave at ad6a.com (Dave AD6A)
Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2017 23:20:21 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] WTB: PX3 with cables in good used condition - What have
	you?
Message-ID: <01d201d30832$c54a6350$4fdf29f0$@ad6a.com>

Anyone got a lightly-used-but-no-longer-needed Elecraft PX3 panadapter with
all the cables (manuals not needed, but I'll take them if you have them) in
good clean used condition that they'd like to sell me? 

 

Contact me off the Elecraft list at dave at AD6A dot com or call
408-208-7373 (cell) to discuss.

 

Many thanks,
Dave Fifield

AD6A



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From keith.hutt at virgin.net  Sat Jul 29 02:26:26 2017
From: keith.hutt at virgin.net (Keith Hutt)
Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2017 07:26:26 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] Do not sign /QRP
In-Reply-To: <CADH=N1vUj=GRmeB2HTfK0YAEWcBKpD_LWAkTEB4wPcV5pM80xQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADH=N1vUj=GRmeB2HTfK0YAEWcBKpD_LWAkTEB4wPcV5pM80xQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4F416F3650A242AC9203760667247442@KeithPC>


So are you saying that a operator who uses a KX2, KX3  is more experienced 
and
is a more valid contact than say someone using a FT817?.

Because that is just pure arrogance, saying that Elecraft operators are the 
only experienced
operators in the world.

Oh and yes i use Elecraft KX2, KX3, K3 on a daily basis, and while i think 
they are the finest radios on the market
and value for money, there are many people out there who are superb 
operators who do not have the financial means
to use Elecraft.

Regards

Keith G0TSH


-----Original Message----- 
From: Dan Baker
Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2017 4:11 AM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] Do not sign /QRP

Yep thats right do not sign /QRP. Sign /KX2 or /KX3. This way an
experienced operator will know immediately that you are no fool and that
this is a Q worth pursuing.

73, Dan KM6CQ
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From dl9hda at dl9hda.de  Sat Jul 29 05:44:23 2017
From: dl9hda at dl9hda.de (Holger Doerschel)
Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2017 09:44:23 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 error
Message-ID: <9ffac7bb-bd95-08c1-dfc8-bf1e4001ffd2@dl9hda.de>


Hi,

will not switch to operate any more. The assignments of the most keys is 
wrong. For example the 28 Band Key will change the Display to 7.0 MHz.

Any hints?


73s, Holger . DL9HDA


From btippett at alum.mit.edu  Sat Jul 29 07:50:25 2017
From: btippett at alum.mit.edu (Bill W4ZV)
Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2017 04:50:25 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Package Discounts
In-Reply-To: <1486300011715-7626469.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <c63fc57e-17f9-a3eb-d1f4-b11bb39f0672@att.net>
	<1486300011715-7626469.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <1501329025565-7632800.post@n2.nabble.com>

http://www.elecraft.com/K3/K3.htm#K3SPkg

I still question the wisdom of bundling the the preamp, USB, 630m
capabilities, etc into the K3S.  This went against Elecraft's original
philosophy of keeping base price low and choosing only the options we really
wanted.  This resulted in inflating the base price which put it out of reach
for many folks and further away from competing products (IC-7300, Kenwood
590 and Flex 6300).  That must be hurting sales resulting in discounting.

A viable option is to buy a recent used K3 and sell/purchase options to
configure it as you want.  Basic K3 prices are in the $1500 making this a
viable alternative IMHO.

73,  Bill  W4ZV



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From colin.g3psm at gmail.com  Sat Jul 29 09:40:11 2017
From: colin.g3psm at gmail.com (Colin)
Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2017 14:40:11 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: Re: K3 SHUTTING DOWN
In-Reply-To: <087001d30562$7f9484d0$7ebd8e70$@gmail.com>
References: <b08b5956-4035-0809-7be9-71849339fb10@gmail.com>
	<ba051f8d-e655-f163-bac0-38d42457b3fc@gmail.com>
	<087001d30562$7f9484d0$7ebd8e70$@gmail.com>
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Mike,

Ignoring the mode in use, into a dummy load the K3 is shutting down at 
power in excess of 40W on tune.

I'm using a 40A PSU and a new factory made power lead.  I am beginning 
to suspect the PA.

73

Colin, G3PSM

On 25/07/2017 17:24, Mike Flowers wrote:
> If you have a dummy load, try running JT8 or JT65 into that at your usual
> power.    If problem does not reoccur, then likely RFI is the culprit.
>
> If it does reoccur, then likely the K3 is having issues.
>
> - 73 and good DX de Mike, K6MKF, Past President - NCDXC
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-
>> bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Colin
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2017 9:15 AM
>> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>> Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: Re: K3 SHUTTING DOWN OPERATING JT65
>>
>> Buddy/Mike, further to my earlier email the current on receive is actually
> 1.05A
>> as measured on a digital multimeter and not 5A as indicated on the PSU
> analogue
>> meter.
>>
>> Of course this doesn't solve the immediate problem.
>>
>> 73
>>
>> Colin, G3PSM
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -------- Forwarded Message --------
>> Subject: 	Re: [Elecraft] K3 SHUTTING DOWN OPERATING JT65
>> Date: 	Tue, 25 Jul 2017 16:01:10 +0100
>> From: 	Colin <colin.g3psm at gmail.com>
>> To: 	elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>>
>>
>>
>> Mike, I am experiencing a similar thing.   I had a session on FT8 a few
>> days ago and my K3 shut down completely, in fact it blew a 20A fuse on my
>> alternate 20A PSU but just shuts down on my 40A supply.
>>
>> One thing I notice is that it appears to be drawing nearly 5 Amps on
> receive
>> which is excessive and one occasion while I was testing actually shut down
> on
>> receive.
>>
>> It isn't the DC lead as I have replaced that with a factory supplied item.
>>
>> I'm still working on it but unless the experts in this group have any
> ideas I will
>> attempt to re-invent the wheel.
>>
>> 73
>>
>> Colin, G3PSM
>>
>> On 23/07/2017 03:17, Michael Walker wrote:
>>> Hi Buddy
>>>
>>> I can thing of 2 things.  Overheating .. not likely since usually the
>>> RF section shut downs.
>>>
>>> RF getting into the power supply.  Grounding might not make a
> difference.
>>> RF Chokes on the power supply DC cord might help.
>>>
>>> Oh, the 3rd thing, Is your power supply up to the task?  Might it be
>>> failing? Throw a volt meter on it.
>>>
>>> Mike va3mw
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jul 22, 2017 at 9:28 PM, buddy s <buddys70 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> i am using wsjt-x software for jt65 using my k3.  after operating for
>>>> approximately 2 hours today,  i answered a cq, and after 30 seconds
>>>> the k3 shut down completely.  i waited a few minutes and changed
>>>> antennas.  the k3 powered up, and i tried again.  same result,
>>>> shutdown after 30 seconds of transmitting.  my power is set to 30
>>>> watts, and i am using a kat500 with both antennas.
>>>>
>>>> any suggestions, any questions?
>>>>
>>>> 73 de
>>>> W3BS, Buddy Spiegel
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From ki8w at ki8w.com  Sat Jul 29 09:59:04 2017
From: ki8w at ki8w.com (Thom)
Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2017 09:59:04 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Package Discounts
In-Reply-To: <1501329025565-7632800.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <c63fc57e-17f9-a3eb-d1f4-b11bb39f0672@att.net>
	<1486300011715-7626469.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<1501329025565-7632800.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <7678bb7b-253d-be7b-ce7d-6905d7684edc@ki8w.com>

All I can say to Elecraft is if I had the money to buy a K3 with all the 
options, given all the issues people have with them on this list, I 
probably would not even consider buying one.

I was not really all that impressed with the look of it when I saw it at 
Dayton this year.  It reminded me of the Kenwood gear, I currently own.

73

Thom KI8W



On 7/29/2017 07:50, Bill W4ZV wrote:
> http://www.elecraft.com/K3/K3.htm#K3SPkg
>
> I still question the wisdom of bundling the the preamp, USB, 630m
> capabilities, etc into the K3S.  This went against Elecraft's original
> philosophy of keeping base price low and choosing only the options we really
> wanted.  This resulted in inflating the base price which put it out of reach
> for many folks and further away from competing products (IC-7300, Kenwood
> 590 and Flex 6300).  That must be hurting sales resulting in discounting.
>
> A viable option is to buy a recent used K3 and sell/purchase options to
> configure it as you want.  Basic K3 prices are in the $1500 making this a
> viable alternative IMHO.
>
> 73,  Bill  W4ZV
>
>
>
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From jackbrindle at me.com  Sat Jul 29 10:03:04 2017
From: jackbrindle at me.com (Jack Brindle)
Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2017 07:03:04 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KPA500 error
In-Reply-To: <9ffac7bb-bd95-08c1-dfc8-bf1e4001ffd2@dl9hda.de>
References: <9ffac7bb-bd95-08c1-dfc8-bf1e4001ffd2@dl9hda.de>
Message-ID: <830E9229-7B15-4B42-82FF-F8604450599D@me.com>

How is the KPA connected? To what? What is the RADIO setting?

If you are using a K3 and have RADIO set to K3, then my guess is you have bad connections in the AUXIO cable. In this mode the KPA. Asks the K3 to switch to the band you request, then it waits for the radio to actually switch. It watches the band signals for this. If they are intermittent or misconnected, it will switch to the wrong band.
Did you move things around recently or bump the cable? Check it for the problem.

Jack, W6FB
Elecraft Engineering

Sent from my iPad

> On Jul 29, 2017, at 2:44 AM, Holger Doerschel <dl9hda at dl9hda.de> wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi,
> 
> will not switch to operate any more. The assignments of the most keys is wrong. For example the 28 Band Key will change the Display to 7.0 MHz.
> 
> Any hints?
> 
> 
> 73s, Holger . DL9HDA
> 
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From k2vco.vic at gmail.com  Sat Jul 29 10:25:33 2017
From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Vic Rosenthal)
Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2017 17:25:33 +0300
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Package Discounts
In-Reply-To: <7678bb7b-253d-be7b-ce7d-6905d7684edc@ki8w.com>
References: <c63fc57e-17f9-a3eb-d1f4-b11bb39f0672@att.net>
	<1486300011715-7626469.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<1501329025565-7632800.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<7678bb7b-253d-be7b-ce7d-6905d7684edc@ki8w.com>
Message-ID: <C5853649-E30E-4812-9CE8-4C5A17AF7C3A@gmail.com>

The email reflector is the first place to go if you have a problem. So of course reading it gives you the impression that there are a lot of problems. But I suspect it would be the same with a similar reflector dedicated to ANY manufacturer's equipment.
The look... well, that is up to you!

Vic 4X6GP 

> On 29 Jul 2017, at 16:59, Thom <ki8w at ki8w.com> wrote:
> 
> All I can say to Elecraft is if I had the money to buy a K3 with all the options, given all the issues people have with them on this list, I probably would not even consider buying one.
> 
> I was not really all that impressed with the look of it when I saw it at Dayton this year.  It reminded me of the Kenwood gear, I currently own.
> 
> 73
> 
> Thom KI8W

From pincon at erols.com  Sat Jul 29 10:43:09 2017
From: pincon at erols.com (Charlie T, K3ICH)
Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2017 10:43:09 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Package Discounts
In-Reply-To: <C5853649-E30E-4812-9CE8-4C5A17AF7C3A@gmail.com>
References: <c63fc57e-17f9-a3eb-d1f4-b11bb39f0672@att.net>	<1486300011715-7626469.post@n2.nabble.com>	<1501329025565-7632800.post@n2.nabble.com>	<7678bb7b-253d-be7b-ce7d-6905d7684edc@ki8w.com>
	<C5853649-E30E-4812-9CE8-4C5A17AF7C3A@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <006b01d30879$03663010$0a329030$@erols.com>

Not to point any fingers at ANYONE, but most of the "problems" that show up
here are in fact, miss-interpretations, or.....NOT reading the manual in the
first place.
And I'm as guilty of this as anyone. Hey, I know how to operate a bloody
radio right?   However, I try not to cry wolf until I have completely proven
myself as not the culprit, which means I seldom do post a problem! 

Another area that can easily be interpreted as a "problem" when scanning the
forum is actually with after-market software and/or interfacing with
peripheral equipment.
If you count the real production/equipment failures vs. "others", I'll bet
they're quite low and typical of any quality manufacturer.

73, Charlie k3ICH



-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net
[mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Vic Rosenthal
Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2017 10:26 AM
To: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S Package Discounts

The email reflector is the first place to go if you have a problem. So of
course reading it gives you the impression that there are a lot of problems.
But I suspect it would be the same with a similar reflector dedicated to ANY
manufacturer's equipment.
The look... well, that is up to you!

Vic 4X6GP 




From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Sat Jul 29 10:43:51 2017
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2017 09:43:51 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] OT K3S Package Discounts
In-Reply-To: <C5853649-E30E-4812-9CE8-4C5A17AF7C3A@gmail.com>
References: <c63fc57e-17f9-a3eb-d1f4-b11bb39f0672@att.net>
	<1486300011715-7626469.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<1501329025565-7632800.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<7678bb7b-253d-be7b-ce7d-6905d7684edc@ki8w.com>
	<C5853649-E30E-4812-9CE8-4C5A17AF7C3A@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0d9dc9a4-3aa2-bc8b-2683-63c8cc7f1c92@blomand.net>

As one that is involved in other like type reflectors {owner and / or 
moderator}, they are a great source of information, for problem solving 
and learning, specially for those new to ham radio or new to a 
particular radio.  If one would just read the manual that would help for 
75% of the time.  RTFM  {Read The Full Manual}    So in that light, most 
things one reads on the reflectors will appear to be issues.   I'd 
always heard "the bit dog yelps the loudest." What's not generally seen 
are the "good ones" being those that are having great success with their 
radio.

Look at product reviews on a place such as Amazon.   Same thing. A few 
good ones, which are from satisfied customers.  It would be interesting 
to see the percentage of units sold vs. satisfied customer posting.   At 
the same time, the percentage sold compared against the unsatisfied 
customers posting.   The point being, we are quick to write and post a 
complaint, but rarely do we take time to share good results.

For me, the K3S is on top of the performance and feature list. Issues 
and problems on my part at at absolute 0.   And I have other radios, 
both USA made and JA made.  The K3S tops all of them in quality and 
performance.   Zero complaints and Zero problems here   {other than 
those where I screw up.}

Most are quick to fault a product and point fingers.   I say, "when one 
points a finger, look down, there's likely 3 pointing back at the true 
source of the problem".   Someone said they didn't like the looks of 
it.   Hey folks, this is radio, not TV. I can't see what you are using 
but I sure can hear it!

73

Bob, K4TAX

K3S  s/n 10163




From kstover at ac0h.net  Sat Jul 29 11:07:08 2017
From: kstover at ac0h.net (Kevin Stover, AC0H)
Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2017 10:07:08 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Package Discounts
In-Reply-To: <006b01d30879$03663010$0a329030$@erols.com>
References: <c63fc57e-17f9-a3eb-d1f4-b11bb39f0672@att.net>
	<1486300011715-7626469.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<1501329025565-7632800.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<7678bb7b-253d-be7b-ce7d-6905d7684edc@ki8w.com>
	<C5853649-E30E-4812-9CE8-4C5A17AF7C3A@gmail.com>
	<006b01d30879$03663010$0a329030$@erols.com>
Message-ID: <95ce7f63-51d3-c529-f1a9-a1367b05389c@ac0h.net>


Exactly!!

I'll bet it's more like 95% PEBCAR (Problem Exists Between Chair and 
Radio), Along with the "We Don't Need No Stinking Manuals" attitude 
exhibited by some "real" radio people. We also have the design engineers 
who like to come on and say how they would have done it differently or 
their design is better. OK smart guy...where's YOUR Radio company 
building and selling your self designed wonder of the ages?

It's really funny and a nice comical relief respit from the real world.



On 7/29/2017 9:43 AM, Charlie T, K3ICH wrote:
> Not to point any fingers at ANYONE, but most of the "problems" that show up
> here are in fact, miss-interpretations, or.....NOT reading the manual in the
> first place.
> And I'm as guilty of this as anyone. Hey, I know how to operate a bloody
> radio right?   However, I try not to cry wolf until I have completely proven
> myself as not the culprit, which means I seldom do post a problem!
> 
> Another area that can easily be interpreted as a "problem" when scanning the
> forum is actually with after-market software and/or interfacing with
> peripheral equipment.
> If you count the real production/equipment failures vs. "others", I'll bet
> they're quite low and typical of any quality manufacturer.
> 
> 73, Charlie k3ICH

> 

-- 
R. Kevin Stover    AC0H
FISTS #11993
SKCC #215
NAQCC #3441
ARRL

From wlbaber at bellsouth.net  Sat Jul 29 11:17:29 2017
From: wlbaber at bellsouth.net (WILLIE BABER)
Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2017 15:17:29 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Package Discounts
References: <1611537811.2391832.1501341449768.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1611537811.2391832.1501341449768@mail.yahoo.com>

I imagine that many persons wanting K3/K3s have one, and so sales may not be as robust as a result. The many improvements over time have created a mature radio--and all essential improvements can be made to an early K3 (same with the K2).  I appreciate Elecraft for this approach to building radios.  However, this does mean that many of us are using aging K3s that work just as well as the new K3s.  I have two K3 radios (so2r), one is about nine years older than the other one but they are both essentially the same.  

It does seem that the prices associated with adding more options to the basic radio is different from the original sales philosophy of Elecraft: a top performing radio at a price that is lower because you buy only what you need and you can save even more by assembling it yourself.

This still applies but not as well as it did with the original K3, first produced some years ago however!

I never thought of Elecraft as an inexpensive radio (it looked inexpensive if you purchased the basic kit and nothing else); rather, I could see the savings in purchasing only what I wanted but still had the performance and I/O for the future. 

Finally, maintaining the K3 is far less expensive (compared to other radios) because many of us can do minor repair ourselves, with instructions provided by Elecraft technicians.

73, Will, wj9b



CWops #1085
CWA Advisor levels II and III
http://cwops.org/

--------------------------------------------
On Sat, 7/29/17, Bill W4ZV <btippett at alum.mit.edu> wrote:

 Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Package Discounts
 To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
 Date: Saturday, July 29, 2017, 5:50 AM
 
 http://www.elecraft.com/K3/K3.htm#K3SPkg
 
 I still question the wisdom of
 bundling the the preamp, USB, 630m
 capabilities, etc into the K3S.? This went
 against Elecraft's original
 philosophy
 of keeping base price low and choosing only the options we
 really
 wanted.? This resulted in inflating
 the base price which put it out of reach
 for
 many folks and further away from competing products
 (IC-7300, Kenwood
 590 and Flex 6300).? That
 must be hurting sales resulting in discounting.
 
 A viable option is to buy a
 recent used K3 and sell/purchase options to
 configure it as you want.? Basic K3 prices are
 in the $1500 making this a
 viable
 alternative IMHO.
 
 73,?
 Bill? W4ZV
 
 
 
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 View this
 message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/Confused-about-K3-to-K3S-Migration-service-tp7626459p7632800.html
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From KY5G at montac.com  Sat Jul 29 11:39:28 2017
From: KY5G at montac.com (Clay Autery)
Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2017 10:39:28 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Package Discounts
In-Reply-To: <7678bb7b-253d-be7b-ce7d-6905d7684edc@ki8w.com>
References: <c63fc57e-17f9-a3eb-d1f4-b11bb39f0672@att.net>
	<1486300011715-7626469.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<1501329025565-7632800.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<7678bb7b-253d-be7b-ce7d-6905d7684edc@ki8w.com>
Message-ID: <6e4245da-261c-523c-20e0-d926fb406a71@montac.com>

You do realize that:

1) You will see a disproportionate number of "issues" related posts on a
SUPPORT reflector versus the actual issue to total population ratio. 
Right?  IAW...  May LOOK like there are a lot of issues.... but your are
looking at the place where everyone with issues posts...  NOT seeing a
representative sample IAW.
2) The POINT of a modular system is so you can a) get only what you
want/need, and b) get what you can afford now and add options later. 
This is a proven approach allowing folks (like me for instance) to
"drive a Cadillac" when the budget says economy car.  You can start with
a 10 W K3s kit and build it up as funds present... OR you can do like me
and hit the ground running with a fully loaded kit (sans 2nd receiver
and 2M).
3) If you want flashy looks or flashy looks is high on your priority
list, then there are boxes you can buy that flash and go bing.  Elecraft
builds radios that work, go to the field, and perform at the very top of
the game.

I'd sacrifice my left arm, right nut, and fight you "tooth and nail"
before I gave up my K3S.

Try getting this level of performance AND support out of any of the
off-shore companies...  Try getting most any other company to do
hardware and performance updates and make them available at a reasonable
price for YOU to install...

Just hope you will investigate further...  Fact is, I seldom even look
at the gear unless I am in the field...  I run it through Win4K3Suite,
HRD modules, et al on one monitor ...  Have the P3 on another big
monitor  Nice mic on an overhead boom...  Only thing on my desktop is my
mouse, key, and keyboard...

73,

______________________
Clay Autery, KY5G
MONTAC Enterprises
(318) 518-1389

On 7/29/2017 8:59 AM, Thom wrote:
> All I can say to Elecraft is if I had the money to buy a K3 with all
> the options, given all the issues people have with them on this list,
> I probably would not even consider buying one.
>
> I was not really all that impressed with the look of it when I saw it
> at Dayton this year.  It reminded me of the Kenwood gear, I currently
> own.
>
> 73
>
> Thom KI8W


From KY5G at montac.com  Sat Jul 29 11:42:14 2017
From: KY5G at montac.com (Clay Autery)
Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2017 10:42:14 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] OT K3S Package Discounts
In-Reply-To: <0d9dc9a4-3aa2-bc8b-2683-63c8cc7f1c92@blomand.net>
References: <c63fc57e-17f9-a3eb-d1f4-b11bb39f0672@att.net>
	<1486300011715-7626469.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<1501329025565-7632800.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<7678bb7b-253d-be7b-ce7d-6905d7684edc@ki8w.com>
	<C5853649-E30E-4812-9CE8-4C5A17AF7C3A@gmail.com>
	<0d9dc9a4-3aa2-bc8b-2683-63c8cc7f1c92@blomand.net>
Message-ID: <e2cb00f4-c101-f762-2d97-1adfdb246c49@montac.com>

Yep... I've never has a SINGLE issue that wasn't caused by incorrect
"operator head-space and timing".  Not one.

______________________
Clay Autery, KY5G
MONTAC Enterprises
(318) 518-1389

On 7/29/2017 9:43 AM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote:
> As one that is involved in other like type reflectors {owner and / or
> moderator}, they are a great source of information, for problem
> solving and learning, specially for those new to ham radio or new to a
> particular radio.  If one would just read the manual that would help
> for 75% of the time.  RTFM  {Read The Full Manual}    So in that
> light, most things one reads on the reflectors will appear to be
> issues.   I'd always heard "the bit dog yelps the loudest." What's not
> generally seen are the "good ones" being those that are having great
> success with their radio.
>
> Look at product reviews on a place such as Amazon.   Same thing. A few
> good ones, which are from satisfied customers.  It would be
> interesting to see the percentage of units sold vs. satisfied customer
> posting.   At the same time, the percentage sold compared against the
> unsatisfied customers posting.   The point being, we are quick to
> write and post a complaint, but rarely do we take time to share good
> results.
>
> For me, the K3S is on top of the performance and feature list. Issues
> and problems on my part at at absolute 0.   And I have other radios,
> both USA made and JA made.  The K3S tops all of them in quality and
> performance.   Zero complaints and Zero problems here   {other than
> those where I screw up.}
>
> Most are quick to fault a product and point fingers.   I say, "when
> one points a finger, look down, there's likely 3 pointing back at the
> true source of the problem".   Someone said they didn't like the looks
> of it.   Hey folks, this is radio, not TV. I can't see what you are
> using but I sure can hear it!
>
> 73
>
> Bob, K4TAX
>
> K3S  s/n 10163


From neilz at techie.com  Sat Jul 29 11:46:21 2017
From: neilz at techie.com (Neil Zampella)
Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2017 11:46:21 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Package Discounts
In-Reply-To: <95ce7f63-51d3-c529-f1a9-a1367b05389c@ac0h.net>
References: <c63fc57e-17f9-a3eb-d1f4-b11bb39f0672@att.net>
	<1486300011715-7626469.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<1501329025565-7632800.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<7678bb7b-253d-be7b-ce7d-6905d7684edc@ki8w.com>
	<C5853649-E30E-4812-9CE8-4C5A17AF7C3A@gmail.com>
	<006b01d30879$03663010$0a329030$@erols.com>
	<95ce7f63-51d3-c529-f1a9-a1367b05389c@ac0h.net>
Message-ID: <9f2d59ef-6ac5-941b-b425-f74cae08be53@techie.com>

We used to call it a 'Short between the headsets!'  :)

Neil, KN3ILZ


On 7/29/2017 11:07 AM, Kevin Stover, AC0H wrote:
>
> Exactly!!
>
> I'll bet it's more like 95% PEBCAR (Problem Exists Between Chair and 
> Radio), Along with the "We Don't Need No Stinking Manuals" attitude 
> exhibited by some "real" radio people. We also have the design 
> engineers who like to come on and say how they would have done it 
> differently or their design is better. OK smart guy...where's YOUR 
> Radio company building and selling your self designed wonder of the ages?
>
> It's really funny and a nice comical relief respit from the real world.
>
>
>
> On 7/29/2017 9:43 AM, Charlie T, K3ICH wrote:
>> Not to point any fingers at ANYONE, but most of the "problems" that 
>> show up
>> here are in fact, miss-interpretations, or.....NOT reading the manual 
>> in the
>> first place.
>> And I'm as guilty of this as anyone. Hey, I know how to operate a bloody
>> radio right?   However, I try not to cry wolf until I have completely 
>> proven
>> myself as not the culprit, which means I seldom do post a problem!
>>
>> Another area that can easily be interpreted as a "problem" when 
>> scanning the
>> forum is actually with after-market software and/or interfacing with
>> peripheral equipment.
>> If you count the real production/equipment failures vs. "others", 
>> I'll bet
>> they're quite low and typical of any quality manufacturer.
>>
>> 73, Charlie k3ICH
>
>>
>


From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Sat Jul 29 12:12:19 2017
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2017 12:12:19 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Package Discounts
In-Reply-To: <1611537811.2391832.1501341449768@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1611537811.2391832.1501341449768.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<1611537811.2391832.1501341449768@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <79a3eeda-485e-a5d5-186d-bd452921d922@embarqmail.com>

On the contrary, I think the decision to offer "standard configuration 
packages" is a result of customer questions resulting from confusion 
about "what options do I need" and much time devoted to pre-sale 
communication with prospective customers.

Other manufacturers offer an "all or nothing" package that is their 
current model/configuration.

I have witnessed the confusion of many prospective buyers at the 
Elecraft booth at many hamfests - there is a lot of confusion about 
which options they should include.  We endeavor to provide assistance to 
customize the option mix to the wants and needs of the customer.

These "standard" packages is a way to allow customers to purchase a K3S 
for the type of operating that they will be doing while minimizing that 
pre-sale activity.

One can still order additional options even with the pre-defined 
packages (and I assume also delete some options).  But for the customer 
who is not familiar with what each Elecraft option will do for their 
operating experience, I believe it is a step in the right direction.

If Elecraft were to follow other manufacturer's footsteps, there would 
be a K3S-I, K3S-II and K3S-III designation for each of those bundles, 
but note that Elecraft has chosen not to do that.  You do not have to 
sell your K3S-I to get a K3S-III, just add the options needed to upgrade 
it.

That "upgradability" has always been unique at Elecraft.  Any K2 can be 
upgraded to the electrical equal of a new one, the same goes for the K3 
with the addition of the modules included in the K3S (with only a few 
minor exceptions).

This is part of the Elecraft customer support philosophy.  Note that the 
K2 is a 1998 design and is still going strong, and still fully supported.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 7/29/2017 11:17 AM, WILLIE BABER wrote:
> I imagine that many persons wanting K3/K3s have one, and so sales may not be as robust as a result. The many improvements over time have created a mature radio--and all essential improvements can be made to an early K3 (same with the K2).  I appreciate Elecraft for this approach to building radios.  However, this does mean that many of us are using aging K3s that work just as well as the new K3s.  I have two K3 radios (so2r), one is about nine years older than the other one but they are both essentially the same.
> 

From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Sat Jul 29 12:22:04 2017
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2017 12:22:04 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: Re: K3 SHUTTING DOWN
In-Reply-To: <e652b0fd-ed0c-c179-0bbf-e7b3d4362f2e@gmail.com>
References: <b08b5956-4035-0809-7be9-71849339fb10@gmail.com>
	<ba051f8d-e655-f163-bac0-38d42457b3fc@gmail.com>
	<087001d30562$7f9484d0$7ebd8e70$@gmail.com>
	<e652b0fd-ed0c-c179-0bbf-e7b3d4362f2e@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <cefb587a-ddb6-c8c6-b365-83107fde4490@embarqmail.com>

Colin,

Does the K3 shut down operating into a dummy load when TUNE is selected? 
  If so, then there is a problem with your K3 - contact support.

If it operates fine into a dummy load in TUNE, then suspect a PA 
temperature problem.

It may be that you have a bad PA, but again the folks at K3support can 
help you with some checks to determine the real source.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 7/29/2017 9:40 AM, Colin wrote:
> Mike,
> 
> Ignoring the mode in use, into a dummy load the K3 is shutting down at 
> power in excess of 40W on tune.
> 
> I'm using a 40A PSU and a new factory made power lead.  I am beginning 
> to suspect the PA.
> 

From colin.g3psm at gmail.com  Sat Jul 29 12:27:27 2017
From: colin.g3psm at gmail.com (Colin)
Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2017 17:27:27 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd: Re: K3 SHUTTING DOWN
In-Reply-To: <cefb587a-ddb6-c8c6-b365-83107fde4490@embarqmail.com>
References: <b08b5956-4035-0809-7be9-71849339fb10@gmail.com>
	<ba051f8d-e655-f163-bac0-38d42457b3fc@gmail.com>
	<087001d30562$7f9484d0$7ebd8e70$@gmail.com>
	<e652b0fd-ed0c-c179-0bbf-e7b3d4362f2e@gmail.com>
	<cefb587a-ddb6-c8c6-b365-83107fde4490@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <9e86bc74-3748-1897-8b14-2f134c973c3a@gmail.com>

Don,

Looks like I'll have to do that as it is happening on TUNE.   I was 
trying to elimate all the obvious problems first.

73

Colin, G3PSM

On 29/07/2017 17:22, Don Wilhelm wrote:
> Colin,
>
> Does the K3 shut down operating into a dummy load when TUNE is 
> selected?  If so, then there is a problem with your K3 - contact support.
>
> If it operates fine into a dummy load in TUNE, then suspect a PA 
> temperature problem.
>
> It may be that you have a bad PA, but again the folks at K3support can 
> help you with some checks to determine the real source.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 7/29/2017 9:40 AM, Colin wrote:
>> Mike,
>>
>> Ignoring the mode in use, into a dummy load the K3 is shutting down 
>> at power in excess of 40W on tune.
>>
>> I'm using a 40A PSU and a new factory made power lead.  I am 
>> beginning to suspect the PA.
>>


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From wunder at wunderwood.org  Sat Jul 29 12:55:00 2017
From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood)
Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2017 09:55:00 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Package Discounts
In-Reply-To: <79a3eeda-485e-a5d5-186d-bd452921d922@embarqmail.com>
References: <1611537811.2391832.1501341449768.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<1611537811.2391832.1501341449768@mail.yahoo.com>
	<79a3eeda-485e-a5d5-186d-bd452921d922@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <274147C4-EDBC-4B1C-B97A-BF3FB6336EC9@wunderwood.org>

I agree.

People might expect a simple answer to ?How much does a K3S cost??, but they get ?It depends? then spend hours trying on the website and this list adding up lists of options. This is that simple answer. I have no doubt that it will increase sales, because it decreases the friction of pricing out a K3S.

It would be handy to have the same thing for a fully-loaded KX3, just to avoid all the sums.

wunder
Walter Underwood
wunder at wunderwood.org
http://observer.wunderwood.org/  (my blog)


> On Jul 29, 2017, at 9:12 AM, Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com> wrote:
> 
> On the contrary, I think the decision to offer "standard configuration packages" is a result of customer questions resulting from confusion about "what options do I need" and much time devoted to pre-sale communication with prospective customers.
> 
> Other manufacturers offer an "all or nothing" package that is their current model/configuration.
> 
> I have witnessed the confusion of many prospective buyers at the Elecraft booth at many hamfests - there is a lot of confusion about which options they should include.  We endeavor to provide assistance to customize the option mix to the wants and needs of the customer.
> 
> These "standard" packages is a way to allow customers to purchase a K3S for the type of operating that they will be doing while minimizing that pre-sale activity.
> 
> One can still order additional options even with the pre-defined packages (and I assume also delete some options).  But for the customer who is not familiar with what each Elecraft option will do for their operating experience, I believe it is a step in the right direction.
> 
> If Elecraft were to follow other manufacturer's footsteps, there would be a K3S-I, K3S-II and K3S-III designation for each of those bundles, but note that Elecraft has chosen not to do that.  You do not have to sell your K3S-I to get a K3S-III, just add the options needed to upgrade it.
> 
> That "upgradability" has always been unique at Elecraft.  Any K2 can be upgraded to the electrical equal of a new one, the same goes for the K3 with the addition of the modules included in the K3S (with only a few minor exceptions).
> 
> This is part of the Elecraft customer support philosophy.  Note that the K2 is a 1998 design and is still going strong, and still fully supported.
> 
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
> 
> On 7/29/2017 11:17 AM, WILLIE BABER wrote:
>> I imagine that many persons wanting K3/K3s have one, and so sales may not be as robust as a result. The many improvements over time have created a mature radio--and all essential improvements can be made to an early K3 (same with the K2).  I appreciate Elecraft for this approach to building radios.  However, this does mean that many of us are using aging K3s that work just as well as the new K3s.  I have two K3 radios (so2r), one is about nine years older than the other one but they are both essentially the same.
> ______________________________________________________________
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From dew7brs at gmail.com  Sat Jul 29 13:11:12 2017
From: dew7brs at gmail.com (W7BRS Jeff Wandling)
Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2017 10:11:12 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Do not sign /QRP
In-Reply-To: <4F416F3650A242AC9203760667247442@KeithPC>
References: <CADH=N1vUj=GRmeB2HTfK0YAEWcBKpD_LWAkTEB4wPcV5pM80xQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<4F416F3650A242AC9203760667247442@KeithPC>
Message-ID: <CAL3WhfcbBv+BugAVkOTm=S-TExRRXxG9e4AxUj=vkvH8cx=AMQ@mail.gmail.com>

I always thought it was during the rag chew one would mention the rig.
Then the other station could say "wow all that signal is QRP?". I guess
I've been doing it wrong. Hi hi.


On Friday, July 28, 2017, Keith Hutt <keith.hutt at virgin.net> wrote:

>
> So are you saying that a operator who uses a KX2, KX3  is more experienced
> and
> is a more valid contact than say someone using a FT817?.
>
> Because that is just pure arrogance, saying that Elecraft operators are
> the only experienced
> operators in the world.
>
> Oh and yes i use Elecraft KX2, KX3, K3 on a daily basis, and while i think
> they are the finest radios on the market
> and value for money, there are many people out there who are superb
> operators who do not have the financial means
> to use Elecraft.
>
> Regards
>
> Keith G0TSH
>
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Dan Baker
> Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2017 4:11 AM
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [Elecraft] Do not sign /QRP
>
> Yep thats right do not sign /QRP. Sign /KX2 or /KX3. This way an
> experienced operator will know immediately that you are no fool and that
> this is a Q worth pursuing.
>
> 73, Dan KM6CQ
> --
> Sent from my iPhone 7 Plus
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From aa4r at chartermi.net  Sat Jul 29 13:41:00 2017
From: aa4r at chartermi.net (Bill Parris)
Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2017 13:41:00 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Unsubscribe
Message-ID: <000801d30891$d81ff710$885fe530$@chartermi.net>

 


From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Sat Jul 29 13:41:21 2017
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2017 12:41:21 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Package Discounts
In-Reply-To: <274147C4-EDBC-4B1C-B97A-BF3FB6336EC9@wunderwood.org>
References: <1611537811.2391832.1501341449768.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<1611537811.2391832.1501341449768@mail.yahoo.com>
	<79a3eeda-485e-a5d5-186d-bd452921d922@embarqmail.com>
	<274147C4-EDBC-4B1C-B97A-BF3FB6336EC9@wunderwood.org>
Message-ID: <e50a5608-f859-fccd-c0df-8296ab6bb0c4@blomand.net>

I purchased my K3S, my first Elecraft product, based on three factors:  
Performance, specified configuration as I wanted, and product support.

73

Bob, K4TAX

K3S s/n 10163


On 7/29/2017 11:55 AM, Walter Underwood wrote:
> I agree.
>
> People might expect a simple answer to ?How much does a K3S cost??, but they get ?It depends? then spend hours trying on the website and this list adding up lists of options. This is that simple answer. I have no doubt that it will increase sales, because it decreases the friction of pricing out a K3S.
>
> It would be handy to have the same thing for a fully-loaded KX3, just to avoid all the sums.
>
> wunder
> Walter Underwood
> wunder at wunderwood.org
> http://observer.wunderwood.org/  (my blog)
>
>



From n6kr at elecraft.com  Sat Jul 29 14:14:05 2017
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2017 11:14:05 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Is it just me or is 6 meters hotter than usual?
Message-ID: <25915923-4AF1-4DDB-8D11-BF3108A38451@elecraft.com>

I?m pretty new to 6 meters. I was expecting very limited activity. But now that I have an alert set up on dxmaps.com, I?m finding there are multiple openings every day. There?s an opening right now that includes the west coast.

Is the propagation better than usual for July?

Unfortunately my antennas for 6 aren?t all that great, and the local noise level is high, so I?ve been making use of every tool in the K3S toolbox (IF NB, DSP NB, NR, AFX, narrow filters, diversity, and CW-in-SSB). I?m considering taking the rig mobile to an RF-quiet location in the Bay Area next time there?s an opening. I have my eye out for a portable 6-meter beam.

Now know what they mean by ?magic band." Give it a whirl....

73,
Wayne
N6KR



From wp4cw at aol.com  Sat Jul 29 14:16:48 2017
From: wp4cw at aol.com (WP4CW)
Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2017 11:16:48 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Do not sign /QRP
In-Reply-To: <CAL3WhfcbBv+BugAVkOTm=S-TExRRXxG9e4AxUj=vkvH8cx=AMQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADH=N1vUj=GRmeB2HTfK0YAEWcBKpD_LWAkTEB4wPcV5pM80xQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<4F416F3650A242AC9203760667247442@KeithPC>
	<CAL3WhfcbBv+BugAVkOTm=S-TExRRXxG9e4AxUj=vkvH8cx=AMQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <50C4DC1B-7A53-4DC1-8C39-007CD77CAD30@aol.com>

I've been at ham since 1972. I've been on qrp since the beginning. My first transmitter was 100 mw. My added amplifier was 200 mw.  The OX2 and PAX by ICM. Not official but by adding /QRP I was hoping the other party would try to work me. I never looked at it as legal. 
K1, KX2, K3, & K3s. Ted

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 29, 2017, at 10:11 AM, W7BRS Jeff Wandling <dew7brs at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I always thought it was during the rag chew one would mention the rig.
> Then the other station could say "wow all that signal is QRP?". I guess
> I've been doing it wrong. Hi hi.
> 
> 
>> On Friday, July 28, 2017, Keith Hutt <keith.hutt at virgin.net> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> So are you saying that a operator who uses a KX2, KX3  is more experienced
>> and
>> is a more valid contact than say someone using a FT817?.
>> 
>> Because that is just pure arrogance, saying that Elecraft operators are
>> the only experienced
>> operators in the world.
>> 
>> Oh and yes i use Elecraft KX2, KX3, K3 on a daily basis, and while i think
>> they are the finest radios on the market
>> and value for money, there are many people out there who are superb
>> operators who do not have the financial means
>> to use Elecraft.
>> 
>> Regards
>> 
>> Keith G0TSH
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message----- From: Dan Baker
>> Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2017 4:11 AM
>> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>> Subject: [Elecraft] Do not sign /QRP
>> 
>> Yep thats right do not sign /QRP. Sign /KX2 or /KX3. This way an
>> experienced operator will know immediately that you are no fool and that
>> this is a Q worth pursuing.
>> 
>> 73, Dan KM6CQ
>> --
>> Sent from my iPhone 7 Plus
>> ______________________________________________________________
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From ae5x at juno.com  Sat Jul 29 14:25:47 2017
From: ae5x at juno.com (John AE5X)
Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2017 18:25:47 GMT
Subject: [Elecraft]  K3S Package Discounts
Message-ID: <20170729.132547.21233.0@webmail01.vgs.untd.com>

Is this where we segue into the quarterly thread about the upcoming K4 and KX4?  :-)

John AE5X
http://ae5x.blogspot.com/
_____________________________

>I imagine that many persons wanting K3/K3s have one
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From n9tf at comcast.net  Sat Jul 29 14:55:48 2017
From: n9tf at comcast.net (EUGENE GABRY)
Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2017 13:55:48 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Package Discounts
In-Reply-To: <79a3eeda-485e-a5d5-186d-bd452921d922@embarqmail.com>
References: <1611537811.2391832.1501341449768.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<1611537811.2391832.1501341449768@mail.yahoo.com>
	<79a3eeda-485e-a5d5-186d-bd452921d922@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <1224102739.436334.1501354549459@connect.xfinity.com>

Well stated Don,  This was one of the deciding factors for me when I pulled the trigger on Elecraft two years ago. I saw the value in  being able to add options along the way as/if, my operating style or conditions changed. Firmware upgrades and support were the other reason. I wanted a rig "I" could grow into over time before time ran out on the current technology "of the day". 

73 Gene
N9TF

 
> On July 29, 2017 at 11:12 AM Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com> wrote:
> 

> 
> That "upgradability" has always been unique at Elecraft.  Any K2 can be 
> upgraded to the electrical equal of a new one, the same goes for the K3 
> with the addition of the modules included in the K3S (with only a few 
> minor exceptions).
> 
> This is part of the Elecraft customer support philosophy.  Note that the 
> K2 is a 1998 design and is still going strong, and still fully supported.
> 
> 73,
> Don W3FPR

From KY5G at montac.com  Sat Jul 29 15:18:30 2017
From: KY5G at montac.com (Clay Autery)
Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2017 14:18:30 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Package Discounts
In-Reply-To: <1501329025565-7632800.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <c63fc57e-17f9-a3eb-d1f4-b11bb39f0672@att.net>
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	<1501329025565-7632800.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <c557b8fe-ac14-cb53-fe82-a701934f88a3@montac.com>

Just because they OFFER bundles doesn't mean you can't order a base unit
and a la carte. 

After all...  they ain't blowing out IC-7300s here.  <ear to ear grin>

73,

______________________
Clay Autery, KY5G

On 7/29/2017 6:50 AM, Bill W4ZV wrote:
> http://www.elecraft.com/K3/K3.htm#K3SPkg
>
> I still question the wisdom of bundling the the preamp, USB, 630m
> capabilities, etc into the K3S.  This went against Elecraft's original
> philosophy of keeping base price low and choosing only the options we really
> wanted.  This resulted in inflating the base price which put it out of reach
> for many folks and further away from competing products (IC-7300, Kenwood
> 590 and Flex 6300).  That must be hurting sales resulting in discounting.
>
> A viable option is to buy a recent used K3 and sell/purchase options to
> configure it as you want.  Basic K3 prices are in the $1500 making this a
> viable alternative IMHO.
>
> 73,  Bill  W4ZV


From n6kr at elecraft.com  Sat Jul 29 15:30:39 2017
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2017 12:30:39 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Package Discounts
In-Reply-To: <c557b8fe-ac14-cb53-fe82-a701934f88a3@montac.com>
References: <c63fc57e-17f9-a3eb-d1f4-b11bb39f0672@att.net>
	<1486300011715-7626469.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<1501329025565-7632800.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<c557b8fe-ac14-cb53-fe82-a701934f88a3@montac.com>
Message-ID: <6010BDA0-8067-4929-AAC6-0A4622B2E794@elecraft.com>

Correct. The packages are just a convenience based on past ordering history. 

(FYI, we have a detailed features/performance comparison chart of the K3S vs. IC7300. Email me directly if interested.)

73,
Wayne
N6KR



> On Jul 29, 2017, at 12:18 PM, Clay Autery <KY5G at montac.com> wrote:
> 
> Just because they OFFER bundles doesn't mean you can't order a base unit
> and a la carte. 
> 
> After all...  they ain't blowing out IC-7300s here.  <ear to ear grin>
> 
> 73,
> 
> ______________________
> Clay Autery, KY5G
> 
> On 7/29/2017 6:50 AM, Bill W4ZV wrote:
>> http://www.elecraft.com/K3/K3.htm#K3SPkg
>> 
>> I still question the wisdom of bundling the the preamp, USB, 630m
>> capabilities, etc into the K3S.  This went against Elecraft's original
>> philosophy of keeping base price low and choosing only the options we really
>> wanted.  This resulted in inflating the base price which put it out of reach
>> for many folks and further away from competing products (IC-7300, Kenwood
>> 590 and Flex 6300).  That must be hurting sales resulting in discounting.
>> 
>> A viable option is to buy a recent used K3 and sell/purchase options to
>> configure it as you want.  Basic K3 prices are in the $1500 making this a
>> viable alternative IMHO.
>> 
>> 73,  Bill  W4ZV





From nick at n6ol.us  Sat Jul 29 15:39:41 2017
From: nick at n6ol.us (Nicklas Johnson)
Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2017 12:39:41 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Package Discounts
In-Reply-To: <6010BDA0-8067-4929-AAC6-0A4622B2E794@elecraft.com>
References: <c63fc57e-17f9-a3eb-d1f4-b11bb39f0672@att.net>
	<1486300011715-7626469.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<1501329025565-7632800.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<c557b8fe-ac14-cb53-fe82-a701934f88a3@montac.com>
	<6010BDA0-8067-4929-AAC6-0A4622B2E794@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <CA+ZptLku6HE8G_Kf9TKULXqWvug8xUqaEDErCfAsT8OcDSYZ9Q@mail.gmail.com>

I have a question on this because it wasn't immediately obvious to me when
I looked at the web site the other day.

Are the bundles fully assembled units, or is it possible to get a bundle in
kit form? I really enjoyed the assembly of my KX3, and I really like the
idea of bundling common options too.

Sorry if that's a dumb question and I just missed something that was
staring me in the face.

   Nick

On Jul 29, 2017 12:31 PM, "Wayne Burdick" <n6kr at elecraft.com> wrote:

> Correct. The packages are just a convenience based on past ordering
> history.
>
> (FYI, we have a detailed features/performance comparison chart of the K3S
> vs. IC7300. Email me directly if interested.)
>
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR
>
>
>
> > On Jul 29, 2017, at 12:18 PM, Clay Autery <KY5G at montac.com> wrote:
> >
> > Just because they OFFER bundles doesn't mean you can't order a base unit
> > and a la carte.
> >
> > After all...  they ain't blowing out IC-7300s here.  <ear to ear grin>
> >
> > 73,
> >
> > ______________________
> > Clay Autery, KY5G
> >
> > On 7/29/2017 6:50 AM, Bill W4ZV wrote:
> >> http://www.elecraft.com/K3/K3.htm#K3SPkg
> >>
> >> I still question the wisdom of bundling the the preamp, USB, 630m
> >> capabilities, etc into the K3S.  This went against Elecraft's original
> >> philosophy of keeping base price low and choosing only the options we
> really
> >> wanted.  This resulted in inflating the base price which put it out of
> reach
> >> for many folks and further away from competing products (IC-7300,
> Kenwood
> >> 590 and Flex 6300).  That must be hurting sales resulting in
> discounting.
> >>
> >> A viable option is to buy a recent used K3 and sell/purchase options to
> >> configure it as you want.  Basic K3 prices are in the $1500 making this
> a
> >> viable alternative IMHO.
> >>
> >> 73,  Bill  W4ZV
>
>
>
>
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From k6dgw at foothill.net  Sat Jul 29 15:41:11 2017
From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen)
Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2017 12:41:11 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Is it just me or is 6 meters hotter than usual?
In-Reply-To: <25915923-4AF1-4DDB-8D11-BF3108A38451@elecraft.com>
References: <25915923-4AF1-4DDB-8D11-BF3108A38451@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <c9bb6c89-5ea2-7ebe-e837-f6d551bc0820@foothill.net>

Es happens every summer.  It commonly is most prevalent on 6, however 10 
is often involved.  I've experienced it on 20and 15 on rare occasions.  
It sure does seem to be more pronounced this year though.  For some 
reason, it seems to abhor the western part of North America.  I suspect 
part of that may be because there are precious few hams out in the Basin 
and Range to use it... you know, "tree falls in the forest, no one is 
there ..."

There's an RF-quiet QTH in the Bay Area? [:-)

73,

Fred ("Skip") K6DGW
Sparks NV USA
Washoe County DM09dn

On 7/29/2017 11:14 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
> I?m pretty new to 6 meters. I was expecting very limited activity. But now that I have an alert set up on dxmaps.com, I?m finding there are multiple openings every day. There?s an opening right now that includes the west coast.
>
> Is the propagation better than usual for July?
>
> Unfortunately my antennas for 6 aren?t all that great, and the local noise level is high, so I?ve been making use of every tool in the K3S toolbox (IF NB, DSP NB, NR, AFX, narrow filters, diversity, and CW-in-SSB). I?m considering taking the rig mobile to an RF-quiet location in the Bay Area next time there?s an opening. I have my eye out for a portable 6-meter beam.
>
> Now know what they mean by ?magic band." Give it a whirl....
>


From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Sat Jul 29 15:41:28 2017
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2017 12:41:28 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Is it just me or is 6 meters hotter than usual?
In-Reply-To: <25915923-4AF1-4DDB-8D11-BF3108A38451@elecraft.com>
References: <25915923-4AF1-4DDB-8D11-BF3108A38451@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <d68915f1-a839-90a0-6e9c-39844825a73d@audiosystemsgroup.com>

Hi Wayne,

There are many Elecrafters on 6M. Great antennas and high power are 
better than QRP into a wet string, but from Chicago, I worked a guy on 
Long Island loading a random wire in his basement, and from NorCal, I've 
worked KH6 and the east coast with 100W into an 80M dipole. :)

The hot ticket on 6M right now is FT8, a new mode that's part of K1JT's 
excellent suite of modes combined into WSJT-X.  I made about 8 QSOs this 
morning into SC, LA, TX, GA, AZ, NM, and OK. I'm running a KPA500 into a 
SteppIR at 120 ft.

These QSOs were all E-skip, and those beyond about 1200 miles were 
double-hop. E-skip is called "sporadic E" for a very good reason -- it's 
quite sporadic -- and for double-hop Qs to work there must be a 
reflecting cloud at two sequential points. FT8 has a s/n advantage of 
about 10 dB over really skilled CW ops on both ends. JT65 provides an 
additional 10-12 dB of noise immunity but takes four times longer.

Es conditions peak around the summer solstice, and most openings are 
within 6-8 weeks of that date. There's also a smaller peak at the winter 
solstice.

Serious 6M ops also work meteor scatter, tropo, and even EME. WSJT-X 
includes modes optimized for each mode of propagation.

Before the advent of FT8 (about 6 weeks ago), I found CW and JT65 most 
productive. This summer, I've made fewer than a half dozen CW Qs. In a 
very exciting opening about a month ago, I worked two JAs on JT65 in 
about ten minutes. Both called me when I was CQing to the east!  As I 
responded, I swung the antenna their way and worked them. :)

73, Jim K9YC


On 7/29/2017 11:14 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
> I?m pretty new to 6 meters. I was expecting very limited activity. But now that I have an alert set up on dxmaps.com, I?m finding there are multiple openings every day. There?s an opening right now that includes the west coast.
>
> Is the propagation better than usual for July?
>
> Unfortunately my antennas for 6 aren?t all that great, and the local noise level is high, so I?ve been making use of every tool in the K3S toolbox (IF NB, DSP NB, NR, AFX, narrow filters, diversity, and CW-in-SSB). I?m considering taking the rig mobile to an RF-quiet location in the Bay Area next time there?s an opening. I have my eye out for a portable 6-meter beam.
>
> Now know what they mean by ?magic band." Give it a whirl....
>
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR
>
>
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From KX3.1 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com  Sat Jul 29 15:42:48 2017
From: KX3.1 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com (Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT)
Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2017 12:42:48 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Package Discounts
In-Reply-To: <7678bb7b-253d-be7b-ce7d-6905d7684edc@ki8w.com>
References: <c63fc57e-17f9-a3eb-d1f4-b11bb39f0672@att.net>
	<1486300011715-7626469.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<1501329025565-7632800.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<7678bb7b-253d-be7b-ce7d-6905d7684edc@ki8w.com>
Message-ID: <2c737d21-78b2-ec01-367e-ea85d3df5fc4@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com>

If you want to rate how good (or how bad) a product is, you have to have 
a random sampling of owners and equipment.

If the sample is self-selected, your sample consists mostly of those 
having trouble, some who just like to help, and a few who don't own the 
product.

Most Elecraft customers are happily operating, and have no gripes for 
the list.

Nobody notices when things go right.

What you can learn from a list like this one is how the company handles 
problems.

Unlike Kenwood, both of the owners and most of the engineers (probably 
all) are on here, available to customers.

73 -- Lynn

On 7/29/2017 6:59 AM, Thom wrote:
> All I can say to Elecraft is if I had the money to buy a K3 with all the 
> options, given all the issues people have with them on this list, I 
> probably would not even consider buying one.

From k6dgw at foothill.net  Sat Jul 29 16:03:01 2017
From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen)
Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2017 13:03:01 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Package Discounts
In-Reply-To: <1501329025565-7632800.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <c63fc57e-17f9-a3eb-d1f4-b11bb39f0672@att.net>
	<1486300011715-7626469.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<1501329025565-7632800.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <ee1a8f40-6c5b-a230-97b2-7d78fd57a797@foothill.net>

I guess it is a change from the traditionalElecraft "roll your own from 
a long list of options" approach, and your point is is valid, at least 
partially.  HoweverI suspect strongly that there are 
manufacturing/assembly/logistics/support benefits and savings to the 
company by offering several"canned" configurations.

Questions about "Which optionshould I get" often appear on this list, 
and I've watched the E-folks at Hamfests spend a lot of time helping a 
new customer figure out what they want/need. The "roll your own" option 
is still available for those who prefer it, which is not true for other 
manufacturers, at least to the same degree as from Elecraft.

My K3 is old [S/N 642] and it now has what I want and use [except for 
the DVK which I wanted, bought, but have rarely used].When the K3s 
showed up, I told myselfthat the first good reason I could come up with 
to sell it and get a K3s, I'd do it.  Still running #642.

73,

Fred ("Skip") K6DGW
Sparks NV USA
Washoe County DM09dn

On 7/29/2017 4:50 AM, Bill W4ZV wrote:
> http://www.elecraft.com/K3/K3.htm#K3SPkg
>
> I still question the wisdom of bundling the the preamp, USB, 630m
> capabilities, etc into the K3S.  This went against Elecraft's original
> philosophy of keeping base price low and choosing only the options we really
> wanted.  This resulted in inflating the base price which put it out of reach
> for many folks and further away from competing products (IC-7300, Kenwood
> 590 and Flex 6300).  That must be hurting sales resulting in discounting.
>
> A viable option is to buy a recent used K3 and sell/purchase options to
> configure it as you want.  Basic K3 prices are in the $1500 making this a
> viable alternative IMHO.
>
> 73,  Bill  W4ZV
>


From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Sat Jul 29 16:17:47 2017
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2017 16:17:47 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Package Discounts
In-Reply-To: <CA+ZptLku6HE8G_Kf9TKULXqWvug8xUqaEDErCfAsT8OcDSYZ9Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c63fc57e-17f9-a3eb-d1f4-b11bb39f0672@att.net>
	<1486300011715-7626469.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<1501329025565-7632800.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<c557b8fe-ac14-cb53-fe82-a701934f88a3@montac.com>
	<6010BDA0-8067-4929-AAC6-0A4622B2E794@elecraft.com>
	<CA+ZptLku6HE8G_Kf9TKULXqWvug8xUqaEDErCfAsT8OcDSYZ9Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <89ba45fe-1ffa-9c22-745e-ddc6990eca02@embarqmail.com>

Nick,

Notice the "-F" on the K3S/100 for all 3 bundles.  That says Factory built.

Whether similar discounts will be offered for a kit version of the same 
package remains to be seen.

I get the feeling that Elecraft is selling more factory assembled units 
than kits.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 7/29/2017 3:39 PM, Nicklas Johnson wrote:

> Are the bundles fully assembled units, or is it possible to get a bundle in
> kit form? I really enjoyed the assembly of my KX3, and I really like the
> idea of bundling common options too.
> 

From bbaines at mac.com  Sat Jul 29 16:27:30 2017
From: bbaines at mac.com (Barry Baines)
Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2017 16:27:30 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Package Discounts
In-Reply-To: <79a3eeda-485e-a5d5-186d-bd452921d922@embarqmail.com>
References: <1611537811.2391832.1501341449768.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<1611537811.2391832.1501341449768@mail.yahoo.com>
	<79a3eeda-485e-a5d5-186d-bd452921d922@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <43EBA350-6581-4A42-9B02-914720C6059C@mac.com>

Don:

Your points are spot on.  I can recall back in 2014 when I first started to think seriously about acquiring a K3, it took a significant amount of time to try to figure what options were ?important? vs. ?desirable? and understanding how options interfaced with each other.  It wasn?t until I was at the Huntsville Hamfest in August of that year and could ask questions of the Elecraft Team that I was able to determine what to order. Eric subsequently took my order (K3 w/selected options, KPA500, KAT500 and K3/0-Mini) at the hamfest and it wasn?t long after that I had my ?goodies? in hand.  I subsequently had my remote station in SE Georgia up and running and have been happy with the setup ever since.

What?s interesting about Elecraft?s approach is that this isn?t much different from ordering other ?high end? products from manufacturers that offer variations to their product line.  Apple offers their computers with variations in CPU, storage capacity, memory capacity, graphics capacity, screen size, etc.  based upon ?common? consumer interest and price points.  Dell and others do the same thing.  Automobile Manufacturers offer vehicles starting a basic model, then variations based what ?packages? are offered as bundles.  Example:  Ford offers the base model, then ?XLT, then ?Limited? then ?Sport.?  Of course, there are numerous color combinations (exterior and interior) not to mention different interior materials (leather, vinyl, etc.).  

My point is as consumers, we?re familiar with the idea of ?tailoring? products based upon common packages that ?consumers? (or ?amateurs? in this case) would typically order.  That doesn?t prevent us from ?special order?  tailored to our specific needs when purchasing automobiles, computers, or now Elecraft gear.  In this case, Elecraft offers both ?packages? to provide some insight into what ?typical? purchasers based upon areas of interest (contesting, DX, casual operating) are typically looking for to give potential purchasers an idea of configurations (and price) that meet their preferences while also fulfilling special orders as the purchaser wants to see in their equipment. (not to mention both factory and kit form).      

Congratulations to Elecraft for providing another product differentiation that focuses on the needs of the purchaser.  Along with this approach, I?m also impressed by their ?upgrade? pathways for K3 owners wishing to incorporate K3s features which addresses not only enhancing performance but also simplifies the upgrade process while verifying that what leaves the factory is up to spec.  This flexibility is somewhat unique to Elecraft within the amateur radio marketplace and reflects well their focus on meeting the needs of the customer which in turn reinforces brand loyalty.  We all appreciate the company that stands behind their product.

FWIW,

Barry  Baines, WD4ASW
(Currently in Columbia, SC)


> On Jul 29, 2017, at 12:12 PM, Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com> wrote:
> 
> On the contrary, I think the decision to offer "standard configuration packages" is a result of customer questions resulting from confusion about "what options do I need" and much time devoted to pre-sale communication with prospective customers.
> 
> Other manufacturers offer an "all or nothing" package that is their current model/configuration.
> 
> I have witnessed the confusion of many prospective buyers at the Elecraft booth at many hamfests - there is a lot of confusion about which options they should include.  We endeavor to provide assistance to customize the option mix to the wants and needs of the customer.
> 
> These "standard" packages is a way to allow customers to purchase a K3S for the type of operating that they will be doing while minimizing that pre-sale activity.
> 
> One can still order additional options even with the pre-defined packages (and I assume also delete some options).  But for the customer who is not familiar with what each Elecraft option will do for their operating experience, I believe it is a step in the right direction.
> 
> If Elecraft were to follow other manufacturer's footsteps, there would be a K3S-I, K3S-II and K3S-III designation for each of those bundles, but note that Elecraft has chosen not to do that.  You do not have to sell your K3S-I to get a K3S-III, just add the options needed to upgrade it.
> 
> That "upgradability" has always been unique at Elecraft.  Any K2 can be upgraded to the electrical equal of a new one, the same goes for the K3 with the addition of the modules included in the K3S (with only a few minor exceptions).
> 
> This is part of the Elecraft customer support philosophy.  Note that the K2 is a 1998 design and is still going strong, and still fully supported.
> 
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
> 
> On 7/29/2017 11:17 AM, WILLIE BABER wrote:
>> I imagine that many persons wanting K3/K3s have one, and so sales may not be as robust as a result. The many improvements over time have created a mature radio--and all essential improvements can be made to an early K3 (same with the K2).  I appreciate Elecraft for this approach to building radios.  However, this does mean that many of us are using aging K3s that work just as well as the new K3s.  I have two K3 radios (so2r), one is about nine years older than the other one but they are both essentially the same.
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From raysills3 at verizon.net  Sat Jul 29 16:27:42 2017
From: raysills3 at verizon.net (Raymond Sills)
Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2017 16:27:42 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Package Discounts
In-Reply-To: <c557b8fe-ac14-cb53-fe82-a701934f88a3@montac.com>
Message-ID: <15d900881a3-46eb-1442c@webprd-a23.mail.aol.com>


And, that can be an important feature for those on a tight budget...  start with the base rig, and then add features/options as finances permit.  Better than waiting who knows how long to save up to buy the fully tricked-out version.


73 de Ray
K2ULR
KX3 #211





-----Original Message-----
From: Clay Autery <KY5G at montac.com>
To: elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Sat, Jul 29, 2017 3:19 pm
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S Package Discounts

Just because they OFFER bundles doesn't mean you can't order a base unit
and a la carte. 

After all...  they ain't blowing out IC-7300s here.  <ear to ear grin>

73,

______________________
Clay Autery, KY5G

On 7/29/2017 6:50 AM, Bill W4ZV wrote:
> http://www.elecraft.com/K3/K3.htm#K3SPkg
>
> I still question the wisdom of bundling the the preamp, USB, 630m
> capabilities, etc into the K3S.  This went against Elecraft's original
> philosophy of keeping base price low and choosing only the options we really
> wanted.  This resulted in inflating the base price which put it out of reach
> for many folks and further away from competing products (IC-7300, Kenwood
> 590 and Flex 6300).  That must be hurting sales resulting in discounting.
>
> A viable option is to buy a recent used K3 and sell/purchase options to
> configure it as you want.  Basic K3 prices are in the $1500 making this a
> viable alternative IMHO.
>
> 73,  Bill  W4ZV

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From kkinderen at gmail.com  Sat Jul 29 17:55:46 2017
From: kkinderen at gmail.com (Kevin der Kinderen)
Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2017 17:55:46 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Maintaining Sanity with Gmail Filters
Message-ID: <CAFA9ujtvMzU_F035NtDTJwpiTyQ635EpbwpjCpCaifeQaOO1oA@mail.gmail.com>

For those with Gmail, the only way I have found to reduce the amount of
reflector emails that don't interest me is to set up a filter.

The way I do this is to first do a search on the subject I'm no longer
interested in: "K3S Package Discounts" for example. Then, beside the search
field there's a little arrow you can click. The little popup has a "Create
filter with this search" link at the bottom. Click this. The next popup
lets you decide what to do with current and future emails that meet the
criteria. I select mark as read and delete it. I wish it could do more with
the emails but that's another matter. There's a Learn More link if you get
stuck.

You can filter on many other search criteria such as sender. That comes in
very handy.

It almost always works. Sometimes the subject changes a little and usually
the digests where the subject is not changed make it through. I haven't
found a better way but I'm open to suggestions. Unsubscribing means I lose
out on some very relevant and otherwise interesting topics. Maybe another
Elecraft list called Elecraft-BS or something?

Hope some find this helpful. It does reduce the inane conversations that
drag on for hours and days. You may be able to test it with the subject of
this post. It is a perfect example.

73,
Kev K4VD

From romeadows1 at outlook.com  Sat Jul 29 17:57:50 2017
From: romeadows1 at outlook.com (Roger Meadows)
Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2017 21:57:50 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Maintaining Sanity with Gmail Filters
In-Reply-To: <CAFA9ujtvMzU_F035NtDTJwpiTyQ635EpbwpjCpCaifeQaOO1oA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFA9ujtvMzU_F035NtDTJwpiTyQ635EpbwpjCpCaifeQaOO1oA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <DM2PR12MB0029A3DC246FB1A29263DC8596BC0@DM2PR12MB0029.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>

If there was a like button, I'd press it. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 29, 2017, at 5:56 PM, Kevin der Kinderen <kkinderen at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> For those with Gmail, the only way I have found to reduce the amount of
> reflector emails that don't interest me is to set up a filter.
> 
> The way I do this is to first do a search on the subject I'm no longer
> interested in: "K3S Package Discounts" for example. Then, beside the search
> field there's a little arrow you can click. The little popup has a "Create
> filter with this search" link at the bottom. Click this. The next popup
> lets you decide what to do with current and future emails that meet the
> criteria. I select mark as read and delete it. I wish it could do more with
> the emails but that's another matter. There's a Learn More link if you get
> stuck.
> 
> You can filter on many other search criteria such as sender. That comes in
> very handy.
> 
> It almost always works. Sometimes the subject changes a little and usually
> the digests where the subject is not changed make it through. I haven't
> found a better way but I'm open to suggestions. Unsubscribing means I lose
> out on some very relevant and otherwise interesting topics. Maybe another
> Elecraft list called Elecraft-BS or something?
> 
> Hope some find this helpful. It does reduce the inane conversations that
> drag on for hours and days. You may be able to test it with the subject of
> this post. It is a perfect example.
> 
> 73,
> Kev K4VD
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From pincon at erols.com  Sat Jul 29 18:52:24 2017
From: pincon at erols.com (Charlie T, K3ICH)
Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2017 18:52:24 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Is it just me or is 6 meters hotter than usual?
In-Reply-To: <c9bb6c89-5ea2-7ebe-e837-f6d551bc0820@foothill.net>
References: <25915923-4AF1-4DDB-8D11-BF3108A38451@elecraft.com>
	<c9bb6c89-5ea2-7ebe-e837-f6d551bc0820@foothill.net>
Message-ID: <00bf01d308bd$5b3d46e0$11b7d4a0$@erols.com>

E-Skip has been observed as high as 220 MHz.
It certainly is prevalent on 144 Mhz, obviously not as much as on 6 & 10 M but it DOES happen.
Multiple hop Es can get you quite a ways on 6M, especially if it is combined with some Tropo ducting.
During really good  F-2 openings, it seems that the higher the MUF, the less power it takes to actually make a contact.
I remember working a guy in Nome Alaska on 6 meters.  He was running 8 watts to a halo on his 2nd floor apartment balcony and was 20 over 9 here in nawthrun Vuhginya.

73, Charlie k3ICH




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From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Fred Jensen
Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2017 3:41 PM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Is it just me or is 6 meters hotter than usual?

Es happens every summer.  It commonly is most prevalent on 6, however 10 is often involved.  I've experienced it on 20and 15 on rare occasions.  
It sure does seem to be more pronounced this year though.  For some reason, it seems to abhor the western part of North America.  I suspect part of that may be because there are precious few hams out in the Basin and Range to use it... you know, "tree falls in the forest, no one is there ..."

There's an RF-quiet QTH in the Bay Area? [:-)

73,



From SILVER60 at charter.net  Sat Jul 29 19:01:29 2017
From: SILVER60 at charter.net (Dick)
Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2017 19:01:29 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft Digest, Vol 159, Issue 26
In-Reply-To: <mailman.6752.1501360070.7807.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
References: <mailman.6752.1501360070.7807.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID: <AA79BB4BA6864E80B5BDA4B0979FC5EA@RichardPC>

And at age 78+, I hope to own a K3s one day. I love what this team has done, 
their engineering is second to none, and customer service as I read is 
superb. I read the forum every day, hoping one day a little break will come 
my way and I will own this great transceiver.
   When Heathkit was alive and well, I built many of their kits, including 
their first Digital Color TV. Maybe one day before I go SK, I will get to 
build my K3s

73,  W1REJ   / Dick

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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: K3S Package Discounts (WILLIE BABER)
   2. Re: K3S Package Discounts (Clay Autery)
   3. Re: OT K3S Package Discounts (Clay Autery)
   4. Re: K3S Package Discounts (Neil Zampella)
   5. Re: K3S Package Discounts (Don Wilhelm)
   6. Re: Fwd: Re: K3 SHUTTING DOWN (Don Wilhelm)
   7. Re: Fwd: Re: K3 SHUTTING DOWN (Colin)
   8. Re: K3S Package Discounts (Walter Underwood)
   9. Re: Do not sign /QRP (W7BRS Jeff Wandling)
  10. Unsubscribe (Bill Parris)
  11. Re: K3S Package Discounts (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
  12. Is it just me or is 6 meters hotter than usual? (Wayne Burdick)
  13. Re: Do not sign /QRP (WP4CW)
  14.  K3S Package Discounts (John AE5X)
  15. Re: K3S Package Discounts (EUGENE GABRY)
  16. Re: K3S Package Discounts (Clay Autery)
  17. Re: K3S Package Discounts (Wayne Burdick)
  18. Re: K3S Package Discounts (Nicklas Johnson)
  19. Re: Is it just me or is 6 meters hotter than usual? (Fred Jensen)
  20. Re: Is it just me or is 6 meters hotter than usual? (Jim Brown)
  21. Re: K3S Package Discounts (Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT)
  22. Re: K3S Package Discounts (Fred Jensen)
  23. Re: K3S Package Discounts (Don Wilhelm)
  24. Re: K3S Package Discounts (Barry Baines)
  25. Re: K3S Package Discounts (Raymond Sills)


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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2017 15:17:29 +0000 (UTC)
From: WILLIE BABER <wlbaber at bellsouth.net>
To: <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>, Bill W4ZV <btippett at alum.mit.edu>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S Package Discounts
Message-ID: <1611537811.2391832.1501341449768 at mail.yahoo.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8

I imagine that many persons wanting K3/K3s have one, and so sales may not be 
as robust as a result. The many improvements over time have created a mature 
radio--and all essential improvements can be made to an early K3 (same with 
the K2).  I appreciate Elecraft for this approach to building radios. 
However, this does mean that many of us are using aging K3s that work just 
as well as the new K3s.  I have two K3 radios (so2r), one is about nine 
years older than the other one but they are both essentially the same.

It does seem that the prices associated with adding more options to the 
basic radio is different from the original sales philosophy of Elecraft: a 
top performing radio at a price that is lower because you buy only what you 
need and you can save even more by assembling it yourself.

This still applies but not as well as it did with the original K3, first 
produced some years ago however!

I never thought of Elecraft as an inexpensive radio (it looked inexpensive 
if you purchased the basic kit and nothing else); rather, I could see the 
savings in purchasing only what I wanted but still had the performance and 
I/O for the future.

Finally, maintaining the K3 is far less expensive (compared to other radios) 
because many of us can do minor repair ourselves, with instructions provided 
by Elecraft technicians.

73, Will, wj9b



CWops #1085
CWA Advisor levels II and III
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On Sat, 7/29/17, Bill W4ZV <btippett at alum.mit.edu> wrote:

Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Package Discounts
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Date: Saturday, July 29, 2017, 5:50 AM

http://www.elecraft.com/K3/K3.htm#K3SPkg

I still question the wisdom of
bundling the the preamp, USB, 630m
capabilities, etc into the K3S.? This went
against Elecraft's original
philosophy
of keeping base price low and choosing only the options we
really
wanted.? This resulted in inflating
the base price which put it out of reach
for
many folks and further away from competing products
(IC-7300, Kenwood
590 and Flex 6300).? That
must be hurting sales resulting in discounting.

A viable option is to buy a
recent used K3 and sell/purchase options to
configure it as you want.? Basic K3 prices are
in the $1500 making this a
viable
alternative IMHO.

73,?
Bill? W4ZV



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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2017 10:39:28 -0500
From: Clay Autery <KY5G at montac.com>
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S Package Discounts
Message-ID: <6e4245da-261c-523c-20e0-d926fb406a71 at montac.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8

You do realize that:

1) You will see a disproportionate number of "issues" related posts on a
SUPPORT reflector versus the actual issue to total population ratio.
Right?  IAW...  May LOOK like there are a lot of issues.... but your are
looking at the place where everyone with issues posts...  NOT seeing a
representative sample IAW.
2) The POINT of a modular system is so you can a) get only what you
want/need, and b) get what you can afford now and add options later.
This is a proven approach allowing folks (like me for instance) to
"drive a Cadillac" when the budget says economy car.  You can start with
a 10 W K3s kit and build it up as funds present... OR you can do like me
and hit the ground running with a fully loaded kit (sans 2nd receiver
and 2M).
3) If you want flashy looks or flashy looks is high on your priority
list, then there are boxes you can buy that flash and go bing.  Elecraft
builds radios that work, go to the field, and perform at the very top of
the game.

I'd sacrifice my left arm, right nut, and fight you "tooth and nail"
before I gave up my K3S.

Try getting this level of performance AND support out of any of the
off-shore companies...  Try getting most any other company to do
hardware and performance updates and make them available at a reasonable
price for YOU to install...

Just hope you will investigate further...  Fact is, I seldom even look
at the gear unless I am in the field...  I run it through Win4K3Suite,
HRD modules, et al on one monitor ...  Have the P3 on another big
monitor  Nice mic on an overhead boom...  Only thing on my desktop is my
mouse, key, and keyboard...

73,

______________________
Clay Autery, KY5G
MONTAC Enterprises
(318) 518-1389

On 7/29/2017 8:59 AM, Thom wrote:
> All I can say to Elecraft is if I had the money to buy a K3 with all
> the options, given all the issues people have with them on this list,
> I probably would not even consider buying one.
>
> I was not really all that impressed with the look of it when I saw it
> at Dayton this year.  It reminded me of the Kenwood gear, I currently
> own.
>
> 73
>
> Thom KI8W



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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2017 10:42:14 -0500
From: Clay Autery <KY5G at montac.com>
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT K3S Package Discounts
Message-ID: <e2cb00f4-c101-f762-2d97-1adfdb246c49 at montac.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8

Yep... I've never has a SINGLE issue that wasn't caused by incorrect
"operator head-space and timing".  Not one.

______________________
Clay Autery, KY5G
MONTAC Enterprises
(318) 518-1389

On 7/29/2017 9:43 AM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote:
> As one that is involved in other like type reflectors {owner and / or
> moderator}, they are a great source of information, for problem
> solving and learning, specially for those new to ham radio or new to a
> particular radio.  If one would just read the manual that would help
> for 75% of the time.  RTFM  {Read The Full Manual}    So in that
> light, most things one reads on the reflectors will appear to be
> issues.   I'd always heard "the bit dog yelps the loudest." What's not
> generally seen are the "good ones" being those that are having great
> success with their radio.
>
> Look at product reviews on a place such as Amazon.   Same thing. A few
> good ones, which are from satisfied customers.  It would be
> interesting to see the percentage of units sold vs. satisfied customer
> posting.   At the same time, the percentage sold compared against the
> unsatisfied customers posting.   The point being, we are quick to
> write and post a complaint, but rarely do we take time to share good
> results.
>
> For me, the K3S is on top of the performance and feature list. Issues
> and problems on my part at at absolute 0.   And I have other radios,
> both USA made and JA made.  The K3S tops all of them in quality and
> performance.   Zero complaints and Zero problems here   {other than
> those where I screw up.}
>
> Most are quick to fault a product and point fingers.   I say, "when
> one points a finger, look down, there's likely 3 pointing back at the
> true source of the problem".   Someone said they didn't like the looks
> of it.   Hey folks, this is radio, not TV. I can't see what you are
> using but I sure can hear it!
>
> 73
>
> Bob, K4TAX
>
> K3S  s/n 10163



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Message: 4
Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2017 11:46:21 -0400
From: Neil Zampella <neilz at techie.com>
To: "Kevin Stover, AC0H" <kstover at ac0h.net>, elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S Package Discounts
Message-ID: <9f2d59ef-6ac5-941b-b425-f74cae08be53 at techie.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed

We used to call it a 'Short between the headsets!'  :)

Neil, KN3ILZ


On 7/29/2017 11:07 AM, Kevin Stover, AC0H wrote:
>
> Exactly!!
>
> I'll bet it's more like 95% PEBCAR (Problem Exists Between Chair and
> Radio), Along with the "We Don't Need No Stinking Manuals" attitude
> exhibited by some "real" radio people. We also have the design
> engineers who like to come on and say how they would have done it
> differently or their design is better. OK smart guy...where's YOUR
> Radio company building and selling your self designed wonder of the ages?
>
> It's really funny and a nice comical relief respit from the real world.
>
>
>
> On 7/29/2017 9:43 AM, Charlie T, K3ICH wrote:
>> Not to point any fingers at ANYONE, but most of the "problems" that
>> show up
>> here are in fact, miss-interpretations, or.....NOT reading the manual
>> in the
>> first place.
>> And I'm as guilty of this as anyone. Hey, I know how to operate a bloody
>> radio right?   However, I try not to cry wolf until I have completely
>> proven
>> myself as not the culprit, which means I seldom do post a problem!
>>
>> Another area that can easily be interpreted as a "problem" when
>> scanning the
>> forum is actually with after-market software and/or interfacing with
>> peripheral equipment.
>> If you count the real production/equipment failures vs. "others",
>> I'll bet
>> they're quite low and typical of any quality manufacturer.
>>
>> 73, Charlie k3ICH
>
>>
>



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Message: 5
Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2017 12:12:19 -0400
From: Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com>
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S Package Discounts
Message-ID: <79a3eeda-485e-a5d5-186d-bd452921d922 at embarqmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed

On the contrary, I think the decision to offer "standard configuration
packages" is a result of customer questions resulting from confusion
about "what options do I need" and much time devoted to pre-sale
communication with prospective customers.

Other manufacturers offer an "all or nothing" package that is their
current model/configuration.

I have witnessed the confusion of many prospective buyers at the
Elecraft booth at many hamfests - there is a lot of confusion about
which options they should include.  We endeavor to provide assistance to
customize the option mix to the wants and needs of the customer.

These "standard" packages is a way to allow customers to purchase a K3S
for the type of operating that they will be doing while minimizing that
pre-sale activity.

One can still order additional options even with the pre-defined
packages (and I assume also delete some options).  But for the customer
who is not familiar with what each Elecraft option will do for their
operating experience, I believe it is a step in the right direction.

If Elecraft were to follow other manufacturer's footsteps, there would
be a K3S-I, K3S-II and K3S-III designation for each of those bundles,
but note that Elecraft has chosen not to do that.  You do not have to
sell your K3S-I to get a K3S-III, just add the options needed to upgrade
it.

That "upgradability" has always been unique at Elecraft.  Any K2 can be
upgraded to the electrical equal of a new one, the same goes for the K3
with the addition of the modules included in the K3S (with only a few
minor exceptions).

This is part of the Elecraft customer support philosophy.  Note that the
K2 is a 1998 design and is still going strong, and still fully supported.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 7/29/2017 11:17 AM, WILLIE BABER wrote:
> I imagine that many persons wanting K3/K3s have one, and so sales may not 
> be as robust as a result. The many improvements over time have created a 
> mature radio--and all essential improvements can be made to an early K3 
> (same with the K2).  I appreciate Elecraft for this approach to building 
> radios.  However, this does mean that many of us are using aging K3s that 
> work just as well as the new K3s.  I have two K3 radios (so2r), one is 
> about nine years older than the other one but they are both essentially 
> the same.
>


------------------------------

Message: 6
Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2017 12:22:04 -0400
From: Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com>
To: Colin <colin.g3psm at gmail.com>, elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Fwd: Re: K3 SHUTTING DOWN
Message-ID: <cefb587a-ddb6-c8c6-b365-83107fde4490 at embarqmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed

Colin,

Does the K3 shut down operating into a dummy load when TUNE is selected?
  If so, then there is a problem with your K3 - contact support.

If it operates fine into a dummy load in TUNE, then suspect a PA
temperature problem.

It may be that you have a bad PA, but again the folks at K3support can
help you with some checks to determine the real source.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 7/29/2017 9:40 AM, Colin wrote:
> Mike,
>
> Ignoring the mode in use, into a dummy load the K3 is shutting down at
> power in excess of 40W on tune.
>
> I'm using a 40A PSU and a new factory made power lead.  I am beginning
> to suspect the PA.
>


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Message: 7
Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2017 17:27:27 +0100
From: Colin <colin.g3psm at gmail.com>
To: donwilh at embarqmail.com, elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Fwd: Re: K3 SHUTTING DOWN
Message-ID: <9e86bc74-3748-1897-8b14-2f134c973c3a at gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed

Don,

Looks like I'll have to do that as it is happening on TUNE.   I was
trying to elimate all the obvious problems first.

73

Colin, G3PSM

On 29/07/2017 17:22, Don Wilhelm wrote:
> Colin,
>
> Does the K3 shut down operating into a dummy load when TUNE is
> selected?  If so, then there is a problem with your K3 - contact support.
>
> If it operates fine into a dummy load in TUNE, then suspect a PA
> temperature problem.
>
> It may be that you have a bad PA, but again the folks at K3support can
> help you with some checks to determine the real source.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 7/29/2017 9:40 AM, Colin wrote:
>> Mike,
>>
>> Ignoring the mode in use, into a dummy load the K3 is shutting down
>> at power in excess of 40W on tune.
>>
>> I'm using a 40A PSU and a new factory made power lead.  I am
>> beginning to suspect the PA.
>>


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Message: 8
Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2017 09:55:00 -0700
From: Walter Underwood <wunder at wunderwood.org>
To: elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S Package Discounts
Message-ID: <274147C4-EDBC-4B1C-B97A-BF3FB6336EC9 at wunderwood.org>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8

I agree.

People might expect a simple answer to ?How much does a K3S cost??, but they 
get ?It depends? then spend hours trying on the website and this list adding 
up lists of options. This is that simple answer. I have no doubt that it 
will increase sales, because it decreases the friction of pricing out a K3S.

It would be handy to have the same thing for a fully-loaded KX3, just to 
avoid all the sums.

wunder
Walter Underwood
wunder at wunderwood.org
http://observer.wunderwood.org/  (my blog)


> On Jul 29, 2017, at 9:12 AM, Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com> wrote:
>
> On the contrary, I think the decision to offer "standard configuration 
> packages" is a result of customer questions resulting from confusion about 
> "what options do I need" and much time devoted to pre-sale communication 
> with prospective customers.
>
> Other manufacturers offer an "all or nothing" package that is their 
> current model/configuration.
>
> I have witnessed the confusion of many prospective buyers at the Elecraft 
> booth at many hamfests - there is a lot of confusion about which options 
> they should include.  We endeavor to provide assistance to customize the 
> option mix to the wants and needs of the customer.
>
> These "standard" packages is a way to allow customers to purchase a K3S 
> for the type of operating that they will be doing while minimizing that 
> pre-sale activity.
>
> One can still order additional options even with the pre-defined packages 
> (and I assume also delete some options).  But for the customer who is not 
> familiar with what each Elecraft option will do for their operating 
> experience, I believe it is a step in the right direction.
>
> If Elecraft were to follow other manufacturer's footsteps, there would be 
> a K3S-I, K3S-II and K3S-III designation for each of those bundles, but 
> note that Elecraft has chosen not to do that.  You do not have to sell 
> your K3S-I to get a K3S-III, just add the options needed to upgrade it.
>
> That "upgradability" has always been unique at Elecraft.  Any K2 can be 
> upgraded to the electrical equal of a new one, the same goes for the K3 
> with the addition of the modules included in the K3S (with only a few 
> minor exceptions).
>
> This is part of the Elecraft customer support philosophy.  Note that the 
> K2 is a 1998 design and is still going strong, and still fully supported.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 7/29/2017 11:17 AM, WILLIE BABER wrote:
>> I imagine that many persons wanting K3/K3s have one, and so sales may not 
>> be as robust as a result. The many improvements over time have created a 
>> mature radio--and all essential improvements can be made to an early K3 
>> (same with the K2).  I appreciate Elecraft for this approach to building 
>> radios.  However, this does mean that many of us are using aging K3s that 
>> work just as well as the new K3s.  I have two K3 radios (so2r), one is 
>> about nine years older than the other one but they are both essentially 
>> the same.
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Message: 9
Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2017 10:11:12 -0700
From: W7BRS Jeff Wandling <dew7brs at gmail.com>
To: Keith Hutt <keith.hutt at virgin.net>
Cc: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Do not sign /QRP
Message-ID:
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"

I always thought it was during the rag chew one would mention the rig.
Then the other station could say "wow all that signal is QRP?". I guess
I've been doing it wrong. Hi hi.


On Friday, July 28, 2017, Keith Hutt <keith.hutt at virgin.net> wrote:

>
> So are you saying that a operator who uses a KX2, KX3  is more experienced
> and
> is a more valid contact than say someone using a FT817?.
>
> Because that is just pure arrogance, saying that Elecraft operators are
> the only experienced
> operators in the world.
>
> Oh and yes i use Elecraft KX2, KX3, K3 on a daily basis, and while i think
> they are the finest radios on the market
> and value for money, there are many people out there who are superb
> operators who do not have the financial means
> to use Elecraft.
>
> Regards
>
> Keith G0TSH
>
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Dan Baker
> Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2017 4:11 AM
> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [Elecraft] Do not sign /QRP
>
> Yep thats right do not sign /QRP. Sign /KX2 or /KX3. This way an
> experienced operator will know immediately that you are no fool and that
> this is a Q worth pursuing.
>
> 73, Dan KM6CQ
> --
> Sent from my iPhone 7 Plus
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Message: 10
Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2017 13:41:00 -0400
From: "Bill Parris" <aa4r at chartermi.net>
To: <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: [Elecraft] Unsubscribe
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Message: 11
Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2017 12:41:21 -0500
From: Bob McGraw K4TAX <rmcgraw at blomand.net>
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S Package Discounts
Message-ID: <e50a5608-f859-fccd-c0df-8296ab6bb0c4 at blomand.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed

I purchased my K3S, my first Elecraft product, based on three factors:
Performance, specified configuration as I wanted, and product support.

73

Bob, K4TAX

K3S s/n 10163


On 7/29/2017 11:55 AM, Walter Underwood wrote:
> I agree.
>
> People might expect a simple answer to ?How much does a K3S cost??, but 
> they get ?It depends? then spend hours trying on the website and this list 
> adding up lists of options. This is that simple answer. I have no doubt 
> that it will increase sales, because it decreases the friction of pricing 
> out a K3S.
>
> It would be handy to have the same thing for a fully-loaded KX3, just to 
> avoid all the sums.
>
> wunder
> Walter Underwood
> wunder at wunderwood.org
> http://observer.wunderwood.org/  (my blog)
>
>




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Message: 12
Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2017 11:14:05 -0700
From: Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com>
To: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: [Elecraft] Is it just me or is 6 meters hotter than usual?
Message-ID: <25915923-4AF1-4DDB-8D11-BF3108A38451 at elecraft.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8

I?m pretty new to 6 meters. I was expecting very limited activity. But now 
that I have an alert set up on dxmaps.com, I?m finding there are multiple 
openings every day. There?s an opening right now that includes the west 
coast.

Is the propagation better than usual for July?

Unfortunately my antennas for 6 aren?t all that great, and the local noise 
level is high, so I?ve been making use of every tool in the K3S toolbox (IF 
NB, DSP NB, NR, AFX, narrow filters, diversity, and CW-in-SSB). I?m 
considering taking the rig mobile to an RF-quiet location in the Bay Area 
next time there?s an opening. I have my eye out for a portable 6-meter beam.

Now know what they mean by ?magic band." Give it a whirl....

73,
Wayne
N6KR




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Message: 13
Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2017 11:16:48 -0700
From: WP4CW <wp4cw at aol.com>
To: W7BRS Jeff Wandling <dew7brs at gmail.com>
Cc: "elecraft at mailman.qth.net" <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Do not sign /QRP
Message-ID: <50C4DC1B-7A53-4DC1-8C39-007CD77CAD30 at aol.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

I've been at ham since 1972. I've been on qrp since the beginning. My first 
transmitter was 100 mw. My added amplifier was 200 mw.  The OX2 and PAX by 
ICM. Not official but by adding /QRP I was hoping the other party would try 
to work me. I never looked at it as legal.
K1, KX2, K3, & K3s. Ted

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 29, 2017, at 10:11 AM, W7BRS Jeff Wandling <dew7brs at gmail.com> 
> wrote:
>
> I always thought it was during the rag chew one would mention the rig.
> Then the other station could say "wow all that signal is QRP?". I guess
> I've been doing it wrong. Hi hi.
>
>
>> On Friday, July 28, 2017, Keith Hutt <keith.hutt at virgin.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>> So are you saying that a operator who uses a KX2, KX3  is more 
>> experienced
>> and
>> is a more valid contact than say someone using a FT817?.
>>
>> Because that is just pure arrogance, saying that Elecraft operators are
>> the only experienced
>> operators in the world.
>>
>> Oh and yes i use Elecraft KX2, KX3, K3 on a daily basis, and while i 
>> think
>> they are the finest radios on the market
>> and value for money, there are many people out there who are superb
>> operators who do not have the financial means
>> to use Elecraft.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Keith G0TSH
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: Dan Baker
>> Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2017 4:11 AM
>> To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
>> Subject: [Elecraft] Do not sign /QRP
>>
>> Yep thats right do not sign /QRP. Sign /KX2 or /KX3. This way an
>> experienced operator will know immediately that you are no fool and that
>> this is a Q worth pursuing.
>>
>> 73, Dan KM6CQ
>> --
>> Sent from my iPhone 7 Plus
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>
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Message: 14
Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2017 18:25:47 GMT
From: "John AE5X" <ae5x at juno.com>
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft]  K3S Package Discounts
Message-ID: <20170729.132547.21233.0 at webmail01.vgs.untd.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252

Is this where we segue into the quarterly thread about the upcoming K4 and 
KX4?  :-)

John AE5X
http://ae5x.blogspot.com/
_____________________________

>I imagine that many persons wanting K3/K3s have one
____________________________________________________________
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Message: 15
Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2017 13:55:48 -0500 (CDT)
From: EUGENE GABRY <n9tf at comcast.net>
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net, donwilh at embarqmail.com
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S Package Discounts
Message-ID: <1224102739.436334.1501354549459 at connect.xfinity.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8

Well stated Don,  This was one of the deciding factors for me when I pulled 
the trigger on Elecraft two years ago. I saw the value in  being able to add 
options along the way as/if, my operating style or conditions changed. 
Firmware upgrades and support were the other reason. I wanted a rig "I" 
could grow into over time before time ran out on the current technology "of 
the day".

73 Gene
N9TF


> On July 29, 2017 at 11:12 AM Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com> wrote:
>

>
> That "upgradability" has always been unique at Elecraft.  Any K2 can be
> upgraded to the electrical equal of a new one, the same goes for the K3
> with the addition of the modules included in the K3S (with only a few
> minor exceptions).
>
> This is part of the Elecraft customer support philosophy.  Note that the
> K2 is a 1998 design and is still going strong, and still fully supported.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR


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Message: 16
Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2017 14:18:30 -0500
From: Clay Autery <KY5G at montac.com>
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S Package Discounts
Message-ID: <c557b8fe-ac14-cb53-fe82-a701934f88a3 at montac.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8

Just because they OFFER bundles doesn't mean you can't order a base unit
and a la carte.

After all...  they ain't blowing out IC-7300s here.  <ear to ear grin>

73,

______________________
Clay Autery, KY5G

On 7/29/2017 6:50 AM, Bill W4ZV wrote:
> http://www.elecraft.com/K3/K3.htm#K3SPkg
>
> I still question the wisdom of bundling the the preamp, USB, 630m
> capabilities, etc into the K3S.  This went against Elecraft's original
> philosophy of keeping base price low and choosing only the options we 
> really
> wanted.  This resulted in inflating the base price which put it out of 
> reach
> for many folks and further away from competing products (IC-7300, Kenwood
> 590 and Flex 6300).  That must be hurting sales resulting in discounting.
>
> A viable option is to buy a recent used K3 and sell/purchase options to
> configure it as you want.  Basic K3 prices are in the $1500 making this a
> viable alternative IMHO.
>
> 73,  Bill  W4ZV



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Message: 17
Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2017 12:30:39 -0700
From: Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com>
To: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S Package Discounts
Message-ID: <6010BDA0-8067-4929-AAC6-0A4622B2E794 at elecraft.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

Correct. The packages are just a convenience based on past ordering history.

(FYI, we have a detailed features/performance comparison chart of the K3S 
vs. IC7300. Email me directly if interested.)

73,
Wayne
N6KR



> On Jul 29, 2017, at 12:18 PM, Clay Autery <KY5G at montac.com> wrote:
>
> Just because they OFFER bundles doesn't mean you can't order a base unit
> and a la carte.
>
> After all...  they ain't blowing out IC-7300s here.  <ear to ear grin>
>
> 73,
>
> ______________________
> Clay Autery, KY5G
>
> On 7/29/2017 6:50 AM, Bill W4ZV wrote:
>> http://www.elecraft.com/K3/K3.htm#K3SPkg
>>
>> I still question the wisdom of bundling the the preamp, USB, 630m
>> capabilities, etc into the K3S.  This went against Elecraft's original
>> philosophy of keeping base price low and choosing only the options we 
>> really
>> wanted.  This resulted in inflating the base price which put it out of 
>> reach
>> for many folks and further away from competing products (IC-7300, Kenwood
>> 590 and Flex 6300).  That must be hurting sales resulting in discounting.
>>
>> A viable option is to buy a recent used K3 and sell/purchase options to
>> configure it as you want.  Basic K3 prices are in the $1500 making this a
>> viable alternative IMHO.
>>
>> 73,  Bill  W4ZV






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Message: 18
Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2017 12:39:41 -0700
From: Nicklas Johnson <nick at n6ol.us>
To: elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S Package Discounts
Message-ID:
<CA+ZptLku6HE8G_Kf9TKULXqWvug8xUqaEDErCfAsT8OcDSYZ9Q at mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"

I have a question on this because it wasn't immediately obvious to me when
I looked at the web site the other day.

Are the bundles fully assembled units, or is it possible to get a bundle in
kit form? I really enjoyed the assembly of my KX3, and I really like the
idea of bundling common options too.

Sorry if that's a dumb question and I just missed something that was
staring me in the face.

   Nick

On Jul 29, 2017 12:31 PM, "Wayne Burdick" <n6kr at elecraft.com> wrote:

> Correct. The packages are just a convenience based on past ordering
> history.
>
> (FYI, we have a detailed features/performance comparison chart of the K3S
> vs. IC7300. Email me directly if interested.)
>
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR
>
>
>
> > On Jul 29, 2017, at 12:18 PM, Clay Autery <KY5G at montac.com> wrote:
> >
> > Just because they OFFER bundles doesn't mean you can't order a base unit
> > and a la carte.
> >
> > After all...  they ain't blowing out IC-7300s here.  <ear to ear grin>
> >
> > 73,
> >
> > ______________________
> > Clay Autery, KY5G
> >
> > On 7/29/2017 6:50 AM, Bill W4ZV wrote:
> >> http://www.elecraft.com/K3/K3.htm#K3SPkg
> >>
> >> I still question the wisdom of bundling the the preamp, USB, 630m
> >> capabilities, etc into the K3S.  This went against Elecraft's original
> >> philosophy of keeping base price low and choosing only the options we
> really
> >> wanted.  This resulted in inflating the base price which put it out of
> reach
> >> for many folks and further away from competing products (IC-7300,
> Kenwood
> >> 590 and Flex 6300).  That must be hurting sales resulting in
> discounting.
> >>
> >> A viable option is to buy a recent used K3 and sell/purchase options to
> >> configure it as you want.  Basic K3 prices are in the $1500 making this
> a
> >> viable alternative IMHO.
> >>
> >> 73,  Bill  W4ZV
>
>
>
>
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Message: 19
Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2017 12:41:11 -0700
From: Fred Jensen <k6dgw at foothill.net>
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Is it just me or is 6 meters hotter than
usual?
Message-ID: <c9bb6c89-5ea2-7ebe-e837-f6d551bc0820 at foothill.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed

Es happens every summer.  It commonly is most prevalent on 6, however 10
is often involved.  I've experienced it on 20and 15 on rare occasions.
It sure does seem to be more pronounced this year though.  For some
reason, it seems to abhor the western part of North America.  I suspect
part of that may be because there are precious few hams out in the Basin
and Range to use it... you know, "tree falls in the forest, no one is
there ..."

There's an RF-quiet QTH in the Bay Area? [:-)

73,

Fred ("Skip") K6DGW
Sparks NV USA
Washoe County DM09dn

On 7/29/2017 11:14 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
> I?m pretty new to 6 meters. I was expecting very limited activity. But now 
> that I have an alert set up on dxmaps.com, I?m finding there are multiple 
> openings every day. There?s an opening right now that includes the west 
> coast.
>
> Is the propagation better than usual for July?
>
> Unfortunately my antennas for 6 aren?t all that great, and the local noise 
> level is high, so I?ve been making use of every tool in the K3S toolbox 
> (IF NB, DSP NB, NR, AFX, narrow filters, diversity, and CW-in-SSB). I?m 
> considering taking the rig mobile to an RF-quiet location in the Bay Area 
> next time there?s an opening. I have my eye out for a portable 6-meter 
> beam.
>
> Now know what they mean by ?magic band." Give it a whirl....
>



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Message: 20
Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2017 12:41:28 -0700
From: Jim Brown <jim at audiosystemsgroup.com>
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Is it just me or is 6 meters hotter than
usual?
Message-ID:
<d68915f1-a839-90a0-6e9c-39844825a73d at audiosystemsgroup.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed

Hi Wayne,

There are many Elecrafters on 6M. Great antennas and high power are
better than QRP into a wet string, but from Chicago, I worked a guy on
Long Island loading a random wire in his basement, and from NorCal, I've
worked KH6 and the east coast with 100W into an 80M dipole. :)

The hot ticket on 6M right now is FT8, a new mode that's part of K1JT's
excellent suite of modes combined into WSJT-X.  I made about 8 QSOs this
morning into SC, LA, TX, GA, AZ, NM, and OK. I'm running a KPA500 into a
SteppIR at 120 ft.

These QSOs were all E-skip, and those beyond about 1200 miles were
double-hop. E-skip is called "sporadic E" for a very good reason -- it's
quite sporadic -- and for double-hop Qs to work there must be a
reflecting cloud at two sequential points. FT8 has a s/n advantage of
about 10 dB over really skilled CW ops on both ends. JT65 provides an
additional 10-12 dB of noise immunity but takes four times longer.

Es conditions peak around the summer solstice, and most openings are
within 6-8 weeks of that date. There's also a smaller peak at the winter
solstice.

Serious 6M ops also work meteor scatter, tropo, and even EME. WSJT-X
includes modes optimized for each mode of propagation.

Before the advent of FT8 (about 6 weeks ago), I found CW and JT65 most
productive. This summer, I've made fewer than a half dozen CW Qs. In a
very exciting opening about a month ago, I worked two JAs on JT65 in
about ten minutes. Both called me when I was CQing to the east!  As I
responded, I swung the antenna their way and worked them. :)

73, Jim K9YC


On 7/29/2017 11:14 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
> I?m pretty new to 6 meters. I was expecting very limited activity. But now 
> that I have an alert set up on dxmaps.com, I?m finding there are multiple 
> openings every day. There?s an opening right now that includes the west 
> coast.
>
> Is the propagation better than usual for July?
>
> Unfortunately my antennas for 6 aren?t all that great, and the local noise 
> level is high, so I?ve been making use of every tool in the K3S toolbox 
> (IF NB, DSP NB, NR, AFX, narrow filters, diversity, and CW-in-SSB). I?m 
> considering taking the rig mobile to an RF-quiet location in the Bay Area 
> next time there?s an opening. I have my eye out for a portable 6-meter 
> beam.
>
> Now know what they mean by ?magic band." Give it a whirl....
>
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR
>
>
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Message: 21
Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2017 12:42:48 -0700
From: "Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT" <KX3.1 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com>
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S Package Discounts
Message-ID:
<2c737d21-78b2-ec01-367e-ea85d3df5fc4 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed

If you want to rate how good (or how bad) a product is, you have to have
a random sampling of owners and equipment.

If the sample is self-selected, your sample consists mostly of those
having trouble, some who just like to help, and a few who don't own the
product.

Most Elecraft customers are happily operating, and have no gripes for
the list.

Nobody notices when things go right.

What you can learn from a list like this one is how the company handles
problems.

Unlike Kenwood, both of the owners and most of the engineers (probably
all) are on here, available to customers.

73 -- Lynn

On 7/29/2017 6:59 AM, Thom wrote:
> All I can say to Elecraft is if I had the money to buy a K3 with all the
> options, given all the issues people have with them on this list, I
> probably would not even consider buying one.


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Message: 22
Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2017 13:03:01 -0700
From: Fred Jensen <k6dgw at foothill.net>
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S Package Discounts
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I guess it is a change from the traditionalElecraft "roll your own from
a long list of options" approach, and your point is is valid, at least
partially.  HoweverI suspect strongly that there are
manufacturing/assembly/logistics/support benefits and savings to the
company by offering several"canned" configurations.

Questions about "Which optionshould I get" often appear on this list,
and I've watched the E-folks at Hamfests spend a lot of time helping a
new customer figure out what they want/need. The "roll your own" option
is still available for those who prefer it, which is not true for other
manufacturers, at least to the same degree as from Elecraft.

My K3 is old [S/N 642] and it now has what I want and use [except for
the DVK which I wanted, bought, but have rarely used].When the K3s
showed up, I told myselfthat the first good reason I could come up with
to sell it and get a K3s, I'd do it.  Still running #642.

73,

Fred ("Skip") K6DGW
Sparks NV USA
Washoe County DM09dn

On 7/29/2017 4:50 AM, Bill W4ZV wrote:
> http://www.elecraft.com/K3/K3.htm#K3SPkg
>
> I still question the wisdom of bundling the the preamp, USB, 630m
> capabilities, etc into the K3S.  This went against Elecraft's original
> philosophy of keeping base price low and choosing only the options we 
> really
> wanted.  This resulted in inflating the base price which put it out of 
> reach
> for many folks and further away from competing products (IC-7300, Kenwood
> 590 and Flex 6300).  That must be hurting sales resulting in discounting.
>
> A viable option is to buy a recent used K3 and sell/purchase options to
> configure it as you want.  Basic K3 prices are in the $1500 making this a
> viable alternative IMHO.
>
> 73,  Bill  W4ZV
>



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Message: 23
Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2017 16:17:47 -0400
From: Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com>
To: Nicklas Johnson <nick at n6ol.us>, elecraft
<elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S Package Discounts
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Nick,

Notice the "-F" on the K3S/100 for all 3 bundles.  That says Factory built.

Whether similar discounts will be offered for a kit version of the same
package remains to be seen.

I get the feeling that Elecraft is selling more factory assembled units
than kits.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 7/29/2017 3:39 PM, Nicklas Johnson wrote:

> Are the bundles fully assembled units, or is it possible to get a bundle 
> in
> kit form? I really enjoyed the assembly of my KX3, and I really like the
> idea of bundling common options too.
>


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Message: 24
Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2017 16:27:30 -0400
From: Barry Baines <bbaines at mac.com>
To: donwilh at embarqmail.com
Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S Package Discounts
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Don:

Your points are spot on.  I can recall back in 2014 when I first started to 
think seriously about acquiring a K3, it took a significant amount of time 
to try to figure what options were ?important? vs. ?desirable? and 
understanding how options interfaced with each other.  It wasn?t until I was 
at the Huntsville Hamfest in August of that year and could ask questions of 
the Elecraft Team that I was able to determine what to order. Eric 
subsequently took my order (K3 w/selected options, KPA500, KAT500 and 
K3/0-Mini) at the hamfest and it wasn?t long after that I had my ?goodies? 
in hand.  I subsequently had my remote station in SE Georgia up and running 
and have been happy with the setup ever since.

What?s interesting about Elecraft?s approach is that this isn?t much 
different from ordering other ?high end? products from manufacturers that 
offer variations to their product line.  Apple offers their computers with 
variations in CPU, storage capacity, memory capacity, graphics capacity, 
screen size, etc.  based upon ?common? consumer interest and price points. 
Dell and others do the same thing.  Automobile Manufacturers offer vehicles 
starting a basic model, then variations based what ?packages? are offered as 
bundles.  Example:  Ford offers the base model, then ?XLT, then ?Limited? 
then ?Sport.?  Of course, there are numerous color combinations (exterior 
and interior) not to mention different interior materials (leather, vinyl, 
etc.).

My point is as consumers, we?re familiar with the idea of ?tailoring? 
products based upon common packages that ?consumers? (or ?amateurs? in this 
case) would typically order.  That doesn?t prevent us from ?special order? 
tailored to our specific needs when purchasing automobiles, computers, or 
now Elecraft gear.  In this case, Elecraft offers both ?packages? to provide 
some insight into what ?typical? purchasers based upon areas of interest 
(contesting, DX, casual operating) are typically looking for to give 
potential purchasers an idea of configurations (and price) that meet their 
preferences while also fulfilling special orders as the purchaser wants to 
see in their equipment. (not to mention both factory and kit form).

Congratulations to Elecraft for providing another product differentiation 
that focuses on the needs of the purchaser.  Along with this approach, I?m 
also impressed by their ?upgrade? pathways for K3 owners wishing to 
incorporate K3s features which addresses not only enhancing performance but 
also simplifies the upgrade process while verifying that what leaves the 
factory is up to spec.  This flexibility is somewhat unique to Elecraft 
within the amateur radio marketplace and reflects well their focus on 
meeting the needs of the customer which in turn reinforces brand loyalty. 
We all appreciate the company that stands behind their product.

FWIW,

Barry  Baines, WD4ASW
(Currently in Columbia, SC)


> On Jul 29, 2017, at 12:12 PM, Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com> wrote:
>
> On the contrary, I think the decision to offer "standard configuration 
> packages" is a result of customer questions resulting from confusion about 
> "what options do I need" and much time devoted to pre-sale communication 
> with prospective customers.
>
> Other manufacturers offer an "all or nothing" package that is their 
> current model/configuration.
>
> I have witnessed the confusion of many prospective buyers at the Elecraft 
> booth at many hamfests - there is a lot of confusion about which options 
> they should include.  We endeavor to provide assistance to customize the 
> option mix to the wants and needs of the customer.
>
> These "standard" packages is a way to allow customers to purchase a K3S 
> for the type of operating that they will be doing while minimizing that 
> pre-sale activity.
>
> One can still order additional options even with the pre-defined packages 
> (and I assume also delete some options).  But for the customer who is not 
> familiar with what each Elecraft option will do for their operating 
> experience, I believe it is a step in the right direction.
>
> If Elecraft were to follow other manufacturer's footsteps, there would be 
> a K3S-I, K3S-II and K3S-III designation for each of those bundles, but 
> note that Elecraft has chosen not to do that.  You do not have to sell 
> your K3S-I to get a K3S-III, just add the options needed to upgrade it.
>
> That "upgradability" has always been unique at Elecraft.  Any K2 can be 
> upgraded to the electrical equal of a new one, the same goes for the K3 
> with the addition of the modules included in the K3S (with only a few 
> minor exceptions).
>
> This is part of the Elecraft customer support philosophy.  Note that the 
> K2 is a 1998 design and is still going strong, and still fully supported.
>
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
>
> On 7/29/2017 11:17 AM, WILLIE BABER wrote:
>> I imagine that many persons wanting K3/K3s have one, and so sales may not 
>> be as robust as a result. The many improvements over time have created a 
>> mature radio--and all essential improvements can be made to an early K3 
>> (same with the K2).  I appreciate Elecraft for this approach to building 
>> radios.  However, this does mean that many of us are using aging K3s that 
>> work just as well as the new K3s.  I have two K3 radios (so2r), one is 
>> about nine years older than the other one but they are both essentially 
>> the same.
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Message: 25
Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2017 16:27:42 -0400
From: Raymond Sills <raysills3 at verizon.net>
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S Package Discounts
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And, that can be an important feature for those on a tight budget...  start 
with the base rig, and then add features/options as finances permit.  Better 
than waiting who knows how long to save up to buy the fully tricked-out 
version.


73 de Ray
K2ULR
KX3 #211





-----Original Message-----
From: Clay Autery <KY5G at montac.com>
To: elecraft <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Sat, Jul 29, 2017 3:19 pm
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3S Package Discounts

Just because they OFFER bundles doesn't mean you can't order a base unit
and a la carte.

After all...  they ain't blowing out IC-7300s here.  <ear to ear grin>

73,

______________________
Clay Autery, KY5G

On 7/29/2017 6:50 AM, Bill W4ZV wrote:
> http://www.elecraft.com/K3/K3.htm#K3SPkg
>
> I still question the wisdom of bundling the the preamp, USB, 630m
> capabilities, etc into the K3S.  This went against Elecraft's original
> philosophy of keeping base price low and choosing only the options we 
> really
> wanted.  This resulted in inflating the base price which put it out of 
> reach
> for many folks and further away from competing products (IC-7300, Kenwood
> 590 and Flex 6300).  That must be hurting sales resulting in discounting.
>
> A viable option is to buy a recent used K3 and sell/purchase options to
> configure it as you want.  Basic K3 prices are in the $1500 making this a
> viable alternative IMHO.
>
> 73,  Bill  W4ZV

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From ghyoungman at gmail.com  Sat Jul 29 19:40:56 2017
From: ghyoungman at gmail.com (GRANT YOUNGMAN)
Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2017 19:40:56 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Maintaining Sanity with Gmail Filters
In-Reply-To: <CAFA9ujtvMzU_F035NtDTJwpiTyQ635EpbwpjCpCaifeQaOO1oA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFA9ujtvMzU_F035NtDTJwpiTyQ635EpbwpjCpCaifeQaOO1oA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <182BC0F4-0474-4DB5-8036-41BB5B963B3D@gmail.com>

What?s BS to you may be interesting stuff for others, and vice versa.  And quite frequently, the subject line alone doesn?t tell you whether the contents is on one?s personal ?preferred reading list?.  I?ve always found the Delete key combined with the ability to read to be the most useful and simplest filter.

> You can filter on many other search criteria such as sender. That comes in
> very handy.
> 
> It almost always works. Sometimes the subject changes a little and usually
> the digests where the subject is not changed make it through. I haven't
> found a better way but I'm open to suggestions. Unsubscribing means I lose
> out on some very relevant and otherwise interesting topics. Maybe another
> Elecraft list called Elecraft-BS or something?


Grant NQ5T
K3 #2091, KX3 #8342




From k4nvj at yahoo.com  Sat Jul 29 20:37:42 2017
From: k4nvj at yahoo.com (Joe Ford)
Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2017 00:37:42 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft experience
References: <998934940.1880340.1501375062283.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <998934940.1880340.1501375062283@mail.yahoo.com>

I've been hamming since 1962 so I do have some experience in the hobby.
I built and operated an Elecraft K1 in 2001, a K2 in 2004 and a k3 in 2007. I have not had any problems with any of them. The K1 doesn't get used much any more but the K2 I use occasionally because it is a really fun radio to operate. The K3 I use all the time and personally I don't think there is a better radio on the market. Just to be sure, a few years ago I bought and used for several months another brand radio. Sure it was a good radio, but I went back to to my K3. And should I need help, Wayne or Eric or one of their folks are just a phone call away.
73, Joe K4NVJ




From emoss98133 at msn.com  Sat Jul 29 21:09:49 2017
From: emoss98133 at msn.com (KD7PY)
Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2017 18:09:49 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] Is it just me or is 6 meters hotter than usual?
In-Reply-To: <25915923-4AF1-4DDB-8D11-BF3108A38451@elecraft.com>
References: <25915923-4AF1-4DDB-8D11-BF3108A38451@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <1501376989227-7632838.post@n2.nabble.com>

I have been on 6 meters since '63 and have seen a lot of up and down of band
conditions in different years, but  don't believe this year is anything
special.  the really good years is when the sun spot cycle really gets hot, 
world wide openings,  this year for us up in the pacific northwest the band
openings are below what we have in the past.
What has everyone fired up is WSJT-X   FT8  everyone seems to be trying it
out on 6 meters,  it will decode sigs way below the threshold of the human
ear.
this year I was able to put in the log BA4SI  ( china )  using FT8..  just a
5 el beam and the KPA500,  some of the local big guns have been putting
europe in the log.
I have  worked a  few HF'ers that put up a dipole for 6 just to try out the
band.

FWIF  Ed   KD7py






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From eaopa at comcast.net  Sat Jul 29 21:10:51 2017
From: eaopa at comcast.net (Gene O)
Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2017 21:10:51 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Freq. offset?? -- K3
Message-ID: <b8f7b1a9-a201-38d9-104e-76122479b92f@comcast.net>

Just discovered when trying to copy a strong CW signal the frequency 
seems to offset.  I can see the signal on my P3 at say 7024.000 but I 
hear the station the strongest at 7025.000. This occurs with either my 
1.0khz or 400hz filter.

Is there some frequency offset that I may set in error?

Thanks. Gene, W2BXR

From ruler55 at gmail.com  Sat Jul 29 21:27:08 2017
From: ruler55 at gmail.com (Robie Elms)
Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2017 20:27:08 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Is it just me or is 6 meters hotter than usual?
In-Reply-To: <1501376989227-7632838.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <25915923-4AF1-4DDB-8D11-BF3108A38451@elecraft.com>
	<1501376989227-7632838.post@n2.nabble.com>
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Ed,

I am like you and don't think this year is unusual.  I believe that the interest in FT8 & JT65 has a lot more hams on the air and we are seeing a better picture of propagation.  I also think the modern rigs are better & that are easier to get on 6 meters is a factor!

Robie - AJ4F

> On Jul 29, 2017, at 20:09, KD7PY <emoss98133 at msn.com> wrote:
> 
> I have been on 6 meters since '63 and have seen a lot of up and down of band
> conditions in different years, but  don't believe this year is anything
> special.  the really good years is when the sun spot cycle really gets hot, 
> world wide openings,  this year for us up in the pacific northwest the band
> openings are below what we have in the past.
> What has everyone fired up is WSJT-X   FT8  everyone seems to be trying it
> out on 6 meters,  it will decode sigs way below the threshold of the human
> ear.
> this year I was able to put in the log BA4SI  ( china )  using FT8..  just a
> 5 el beam and the KPA500,  some of the local big guns have been putting
> europe in the log.
> I have  worked a  few HF'ers that put up a dipole for 6 just to try out the
> band.
> 
> FWIF  Ed   KD7py
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From frantz at pwpconsult.com  Sat Jul 29 21:52:10 2017
From: frantz at pwpconsult.com (Bill Frantz)
Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2017 18:52:10 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Package Discounts
In-Reply-To: <89ba45fe-1ffa-9c22-745e-ddc6990eca02@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <r470Ps-10126i-D278CE1BA06A422A96935189CF6C0677@Williams-MacBook-Pro.local>

Since Elecraft got its start in the kit world, many of the early 
customers were kit builders. As the reputation of the radios has 
grown, more hams that just want a top of the line radio that 
works have become customers. These people are much more likely 
to buy factory built, and not trust a used radio that was not 
factory built or recently aligned by the factory.

I'm glad I got a minimum K3 kit and had the opportunity to add 
features over the years. I have learned a lot about the radio's 
construction and use via this route.

When I ordered my K3, the big dilemma was K2 or K3. K2 pluses: 
real kit. Cheaper. K3 pluses: Better radio. When my XYL, after a 
1/2 hour user interface conversation at an Elecraft booth, said 
to get the K3, i ordered the K3. I still dream of building a K2, 
and the 20th anniversary would be a nice excuse. However, with a 
K3, KX3, and my wife's KX2, I don't know that I would actually 
use it.

I hope that Elecraft will continue to encourage kit building, as 
it is the gateway toward electronic experimentation for many 
people. Offering package discounts on kits would be nice.

73 Bill AE6JV

On 7/29/17 at 1:17 PM, donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm) wrote:

>I get the feeling that Elecraft is selling more factory assembled units than kits.

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From km4ik.ian at gmail.com  Sat Jul 29 22:32:00 2017
From: km4ik.ian at gmail.com (Ian Kahn)
Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2017 22:32:00 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Freq. offset?? -- K3
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References: <b8f7b1a9-a201-38d9-104e-76122479b92f@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <CAFHjwP6q0e7rX7-+vDdjivGQBzLCSzeY8s0+iwFFLTkBGck9yg@mail.gmail.com>

Check whether you may have accidentally set the RIT (Receive Incremental
Tuning) or XIT (Xmit Incremental Tuning). That happens to me sometimes.

73 de,

Ian, KM4IK

On Jul 29, 2017 9:14 PM, "Gene O" <eaopa at comcast.net> wrote:

> Just discovered when trying to copy a strong CW signal the frequency seems
> to offset.  I can see the signal on my P3 at say 7024.000 but I hear the
> station the strongest at 7025.000. This occurs with either my 1.0khz or
> 400hz filter.
>
> Is there some frequency offset that I may set in error?
>
> Thanks. Gene, W2BXR
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From john at kk9a.com  Sat Jul 29 22:48:17 2017
From: john at kk9a.com (john at kk9a.com)
Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2017 22:48:17 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft]  K3S Package Discounts
Message-ID: <000401d308de$4cb6b2c0$e6241840$@com>

The K3 has not been manufactured in years so of course some issues will
occur with older equipment. Elecraft offers excellent support for new and
older equipment. The look reminds you of your Kenwood equipment and
apparently you do not like your gear's appearance. Why do you own it?
Because I travel to the Caribbean with mine, I like the size. 

John KK9A


Thom ki8w wrote: 
Sat Jul 29 09:59:04 EDT 2017

All I can say to Elecraft is if I had the money to buy a K3 with all the 
options, given all the issues people have with them on this list, I 
probably would not even consider buying one.

I was not really all that impressed with the look of it when I saw it at 
Dayton this year.  It reminded me of the Kenwood gear, I currently own.

73

Thom KI8W


From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Sat Jul 29 22:51:22 2017
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2017 21:51:22 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Freq. offset?? -- K3
In-Reply-To: <CAFHjwP6q0e7rX7-+vDdjivGQBzLCSzeY8s0+iwFFLTkBGck9yg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b8f7b1a9-a201-38d9-104e-76122479b92f@comcast.net>
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Message-ID: <A354CC4B-CE50-4BB3-8D4B-86AE5E3E6F1C@blomand.net>

Also check the settings of your side tone frequency.  If it is different than you tune, there will be an error.  

Bob, K4TAX


Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 29, 2017, at 9:32 PM, Ian Kahn <km4ik.ian at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Check whether you may have accidentally set the RIT (Receive Incremental
> Tuning) or XIT (Xmit Incremental Tuning). That happens to me sometimes.
> 
> 73 de,
> 
> Ian, KM4IK
> 
>> On Jul 29, 2017 9:14 PM, "Gene O" <eaopa at comcast.net> wrote:
>> 
>> Just discovered when trying to copy a strong CW signal the frequency seems
>> to offset.  I can see the signal on my P3 at say 7024.000 but I hear the
>> station the strongest at 7025.000. This occurs with either my 1.0khz or
>> 400hz filter.
>> 
>> Is there some frequency offset that I may set in error?
>> 
>> Thanks. Gene, W2BXR
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From n9tf at comcast.net  Sat Jul 29 23:17:20 2017
From: n9tf at comcast.net (EUGENE GABRY)
Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2017 22:17:20 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Elecraft] Freq. offset?? -- K3
In-Reply-To: <b8f7b1a9-a201-38d9-104e-76122479b92f@comcast.net>
References: <b8f7b1a9-a201-38d9-104e-76122479b92f@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <576019838.442390.1501384641212@connect.xfinity.com>

You might also want to check the frequency calibration of the P3 (page 31 in the P3 manual). I happen to notice while checking the K3S frequency against WWV and going through K3S calibration, the P3 was off about 250hz (with 600hz sidetone). 

Gene
N9TF

> On July 29, 2017 at 8:10 PM Gene O <eaopa at comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> 
> Just discovered when trying to copy a strong CW signal the frequency 
> seems to offset.  I can see the signal on my P3 at say 7024.000 but I 
> hear the station the strongest at 7025.000. This occurs with either my 
> 1.0khz or 400hz filter.
> 
> Is there some frequency offset that I may set in error?
> 
> Thanks. Gene, W2BXR
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From k2vco.vic at gmail.com  Sat Jul 29 23:22:48 2017
From: k2vco.vic at gmail.com (Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP)
Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2017 06:22:48 +0300
Subject: [Elecraft] Freq. offset?? -- K3
In-Reply-To: <576019838.442390.1501384641212@connect.xfinity.com>
References: <b8f7b1a9-a201-38d9-104e-76122479b92f@comcast.net>
	<576019838.442390.1501384641212@connect.xfinity.com>
Message-ID: <c6a5d0f7-35ed-308e-36d1-752a6d43ea9b@gmail.com>

There is a REF CAL adjustment in the P3 menu to make the P3 agree with 
the K3/K3S. I have noticed that my P3 seems to drift a bit when it is 
first turned, so probably you should wait a while before adjusting it. 
The offset is only noticeable at smaller span settings.

73,
Victor, 4X6GP
Rehovot, Israel
Formerly K2VCO
http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/
On 30 Jul 2017 06:17, EUGENE GABRY wrote:
> You might also want to check the frequency calibration of the P3 (page 31 in the P3 manual). I happen to notice while checking the K3S frequency against WWV and going through K3S calibration, the P3 was off about 250hz (with 600hz sidetone).
> 
> Gene
> N9TF
> 
>> On July 29, 2017 at 8:10 PM Gene O <eaopa at comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Just discovered when trying to copy a strong CW signal the frequency
>> seems to offset.  I can see the signal on my P3 at say 7024.000 but I
>> hear the station the strongest at 7025.000. This occurs with either my
>> 1.0khz or 400hz filter.
>>
>> Is there some frequency offset that I may set in error?
>>
>> Thanks. Gene, W2BXR

From KY5G at montac.com  Sat Jul 29 23:30:27 2017
From: KY5G at montac.com (Clay Autery)
Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2017 22:30:27 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Freq. offset?? -- K3
In-Reply-To: <c6a5d0f7-35ed-308e-36d1-752a6d43ea9b@gmail.com>
References: <b8f7b1a9-a201-38d9-104e-76122479b92f@comcast.net>
	<576019838.442390.1501384641212@connect.xfinity.com>
	<c6a5d0f7-35ed-308e-36d1-752a6d43ea9b@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <cf37c2ae-bc67-3824-4973-f7ebc3c61d78@montac.com>

I've found that my K3s takes about 35 minutes to become essentially
stable (TXCO)....  P3 stabilizes a bit faster.  IMHO it is important to
CAL both pieces of equipment under the same conditions at the same time
or as close to it as you can...
Also important IMO to not have the HVAC cycling on and off while you are
doing the REF CALs...

73,

______________________
Clay Autery, KY5G
MONTAC Enterprises
(318) 518-1389

On 7/29/2017 10:22 PM, Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP wrote:
> There is a REF CAL adjustment in the P3 menu to make the P3 agree with
> the K3/K3S. I have noticed that my P3 seems to drift a bit when it is
> first turned, so probably you should wait a while before adjusting it.
> The offset is only noticeable at smaller span settings.
>
> 73,
> Victor, 4X6GP
> Rehovot, Israel
> Formerly K2VCO
> http://www.qsl.net/k2vco/
> On 30 Jul 2017 06:17, EUGENE GABRY wrote:
>> You might also want to check the frequency calibration of the P3
>> (page 31 in the P3 manual). I happen to notice while checking the K3S
>> frequency against WWV and going through K3S calibration, the P3 was
>> off about 250hz (with 600hz sidetone).
>>
>> Gene
>> N9TF
>>
>>> On July 29, 2017 at 8:10 PM Gene O <eaopa at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Just discovered when trying to copy a strong CW signal the frequency
>>> seems to offset.  I can see the signal on my P3 at say 7024.000 but I
>>> hear the station the strongest at 7025.000. This occurs with either my
>>> 1.0khz or 400hz filter.
>>>
>>> Is there some frequency offset that I may set in error?
>>>
>>> Thanks. Gene, W2BXR
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From kevinr at coho.net  Sun Jul 30 00:25:19 2017
From: kevinr at coho.net (kevinr at coho.net)
Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2017 21:25:19 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Announcement
Message-ID: <46219072-f1af-95e3-1183-54561db8bbb0@coho.net>

Good evening,

    I took a break from painting today to walk around the property 
scouting for next year's firewood.  An area I had thinned under the 
alder had been visited recently.  From the residual scent I could tell 
there had been elk sleeping there within the last two or three days.  We 
have shared land use rights.

The sun has been active but only on the other side.  Our side of the sun 
has been blank.  Though the bands may be weaker the band noise is too; 
as long as you can avoid the lightning crashes and waves of QSB you can 
make contacts.  Weak contacts but they are possible.

Please join us tomorrow on:
    14050 kHz at 2200z Sunday (3 PM PDT Sunday)
     7045 kHz at 0000z Monday (5 PM PDT Sunday)

     73,
         Kevin. KD5ONS

-


From cbjesseeNH at comcast.net  Sun Jul 30 09:16:37 2017
From: cbjesseeNH at comcast.net (MaverickNH)
Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2017 06:16:37 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] [K3S] K3S High SWR Shutdown on FT8?
Message-ID: <1501420597963-7632849.post@n2.nabble.com>

I'm using a K3S/100 with ATU to drive a 43ft vertical with remote ATU at
base. To operate, I typically bypass the K3S ATU, tune the remote ATU to 1:1
on 20m, then turn the K3S ATU to auto and tune again to 1:1 reading on the
K3S. Running WSJT-X FT8 digital mode at 63W, all is fine, but if I run 100W
too long I sometimes hear an alarm and turn power back to 63W (the alarm
stops) or the K3S just shuts down. I'm not sure where the high-pitch alarm
is coming from - I have a nearby Yaesu FP3010A Linear PSU but the manual
mentions nothing about an alarm. Nor does the K3S mention an alarm. I see no
High SWR warning on the K3S display. The PSU does not turn off.

Any thoughts appreciated!

Bret/N4SRN



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From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Sun Jul 30 09:59:42 2017
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2017 09:59:42 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] [K3S] K3S High SWR Shutdown on FT8?
In-Reply-To: <1501420597963-7632849.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1501420597963-7632849.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <5b02fe35-9b0d-46cd-d1ee-5d825e2dc139@embarqmail.com>

Bret,

As far as I know, the K3S does not have any audible alarm.
So that leaves 2 elements in your setup that could be producing that 
alarm - the remote ATU control unit, or the computer you are using.
The "alarm" could also be the result of some sort of feedback and is 
'just something that happens' but is not really intended to be an alarm.

If you find your remote ATU is causing the problem, check all 
connections at the antenna.  It is quite common for a connection to be 
OK at lower powers, but when the power is increased, something breaks 
down causing the problem.  If you can verify that it is an SWR problem, 
then look carefully at the antenna for the solution.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 7/30/2017 9:16 AM, MaverickNH wrote:
> I'm using a K3S/100 with ATU to drive a 43ft vertical with remote ATU at
> base. To operate, I typically bypass the K3S ATU, tune the remote ATU to 1:1
> on 20m, then turn the K3S ATU to auto and tune again to 1:1 reading on the
> K3S. Running WSJT-X FT8 digital mode at 63W, all is fine, but if I run 100W
> too long I sometimes hear an alarm and turn power back to 63W (the alarm
> stops) or the K3S just shuts down. I'm not sure where the high-pitch alarm
> is coming from - I have a nearby Yaesu FP3010A Linear PSU but the manual
> mentions nothing about an alarm. Nor does the K3S mention an alarm. I see no
> High SWR warning on the K3S display. The PSU does not turn off.

From N2ZDB at aol.com  Sun Jul 30 10:26:35 2017
From: N2ZDB at aol.com (N2ZDB at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2017 10:26:35 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] W2 Wattmeter 440 band accuracy?
Message-ID: <31ed15.30d26f90.46af469b@aol.com>

I just purchased a new Yaesu digital handheld and the power level on the  
440 band is low (2.8 v 5.0 Watts), and was wondering if I can trust the W2's  
accuracy? Another mobile higher powered transceiver also reads low on all 
power  levels on the 440 band.
 
I built the kit version of the W2 and have the VHF/UHF  coupler....
 
Why is there a +/- calibration button on the PC interface if the unit is  
calibrated properly?
 
I can send my HT back to be tested and exchanged if it isn't making specs  
but don't want to be told that
my wattmeter reading was inaccurate!
 
73's Michael
n2zdb
 

From wd8qwr at twc.com  Sun Jul 30 11:07:23 2017
From: wd8qwr at twc.com (Philip)
Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2017 11:07:23 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] W2 Wattmeter 440 band accuracy?
In-Reply-To: <31ed15.30d26f90.46af469b@aol.com>
References: <31ed15.30d26f90.46af469b@aol.com>
Message-ID: <244ceabc-fd5f-abbb-b081-e9bcbec39fa3@twc.com>

That would depend on what kind of digital you are talking about. I don't 
think the W2 reads instantaneous peak power. That usually takes special 
circuitry to do . Hint: a digital slug for a bird 43 wattmeter costs way 
more than the meter does. Analog meters will not read properly in a 
digital environment. Try the radio in analog mode.

Phil, wd8qwr

From N2ZDB at aol.com  Sun Jul 30 11:18:27 2017
From: N2ZDB at aol.com (N2ZDB at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2017 11:18:27 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] W2 Wattmeter 440 band accuracy?
Message-ID: <2c31cf.61ddb6a.46af52c3@aol.com>

Measurement is in analog mode.....should have made that clear or not even  
mentioned a digital radio!
 
Michael

From va3mw at portcredit.net  Sun Jul 30 11:23:58 2017
From: va3mw at portcredit.net (Michael Walker)
Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2017 11:23:58 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] W2 Wattmeter 440 band accuracy?
In-Reply-To: <2c31cf.61ddb6a.46af52c3@aol.com>
References: <2c31cf.61ddb6a.46af52c3@aol.com>
Message-ID: <CA+33ts5_44AHMnAffAN0+FFjYX6OrSzy80bonXmZupOy-hmiQA@mail.gmail.com>

The only way to get the answer you wish is to compare it to a bench
standard like a bird watt meter.

Beyond that you are just guessing.   Sorry

Mike va3mw


On Sun, Jul 30, 2017 at 11:18 AM, Michael via Elecraft <
elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:

> Measurement is in analog mode.....should have made that clear or not even
> mentioned a digital radio!
>
> Michael
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From n6kr at elecraft.com  Sun Jul 30 12:14:29 2017
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2017 09:14:29 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S (SDR/superhet hybrid) vs. entry-level
	direct-sampling radios
Message-ID: <7E413367-D6AB-401D-8986-9EF23B0E9443@elecraft.com>

Hi all,

Over the past two days I?ve been deluged with requests for our K3S vs. IC7300 comparison chart. This stems from a posting that mentioned the latter rig, and my subsequent offer to send out the chart, which we normally use for in-house training purposes.

What?s become clear from all the questions and comments is that there?s a need for clarification on receiver architecture. 

The K3S, an SDR/superhet hybrid, includes narrowband protection of its A-to-D converters in the form of roofing filters (crystal filters). This is fundamentally different from the approach taken by direct-sampling radios, which have only very broadband filtering ahead of their ADCs. Typically, front-end band-pass filters are 0.5 to 4 MHz wide. Their ADCs will be impacted by all strong signals in this range, alone and in summation.

When the ADC over-ranges in this ?pure? SDR architecture, the radio usually reduces its gain automatically by either turning off preamps or adding attenuation. This increases the noise figure, often resulting in the loss of weak signals, both audibly and in the panadapter. Another word for it is ?desense.? You might hear a pulsing sound as the noise floor goes up and down in response to a particular signal, or the sensitivity may degrade for many seconds at a time while the firmware waits for levels to drop at the input to the ADC.

Such over-ranging is almost unheard of in the K3S, for multiple reasons. First, we use very strong mixers and gain stages. Second, in many cases there?s no need to turn the preamp on at all. (Example: the K3S?s preamp-off sensitivity is typically -135 dB, while the preamp-off sensitivity on a typical direct-sampling SDR is -115 to -125 dB.) The third reason for the K3S?s strong-signal performance is its crystal roofing filters. These protect the ADC from not only wide-spaced signals, but also from signals very close by. As K3 and K3S owners will attest, you can have a huge signal just a few hundred Hz away and not even know it?s there -- unless that station?s transmit phase noise is blanketing the band anyway. (There?s no defense against an unclean or clicky transmit signal.)

I?ve updated the referenced comparison chart to clarify this important difference. Our webmaster will put it up next week.

Meanwhile, I?ll continue to send it on request (email me directly). Feel free to share the information with anyone interested in the topic.

73,
Wayne
N6KR





From garyk9gs at wi.rr.com  Sun Jul 30 12:27:46 2017
From: garyk9gs at wi.rr.com (GaryK9GS)
Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2017 11:27:46 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S (SDR/superhet hybrid) vs. entry-level
 direct-sampling radios
Message-ID: <85.DE.31699.4090E795@dnvrco-omsmta03>

Thanks for sending Wayne. ? To take this discussion a step further, ?is the Flex series of radios in the same category as the 7300?


73,
Gary K9GS
-------- Original message --------From: Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com> Date: 7/30/17  11:14 AM  (GMT-06:00) To: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> Subject: [Elecraft] K3S (SDR/superhet hybrid) vs. entry-level
 	direct-sampling radios 
Hi all,

Over the past two days I?ve been deluged with requests for our K3S vs. IC7300 comparison chart. This stems from a posting that mentioned the latter rig, and my subsequent offer to send out the chart, which we normally use for in-house training purposes.

What?s become clear from all the questions and comments is that there?s a need for clarification on receiver architecture. 

The K3S, an SDR/superhet hybrid, includes narrowband protection of its A-to-D converters in the form of roofing filters (crystal filters). This is fundamentally different from the approach taken by direct-sampling radios, which have only very broadband filtering ahead of their ADCs. Typically, front-end band-pass filters are 0.5 to 4 MHz wide. Their ADCs will be impacted by all strong signals in this range, alone and in summation.

When the ADC over-ranges in this ?pure? SDR architecture, the radio usually reduces its gain automatically by either turning off preamps or adding attenuation. This increases the noise figure, often resulting in the loss of weak signals, both audibly and in the panadapter. Another word for it is ?desense.? You might hear a pulsing sound as the noise floor goes up and down in response to a particular signal, or the sensitivity may degrade for many seconds at a time while the firmware waits for levels to drop at the input to the ADC.

Such over-ranging is almost unheard of in the K3S, for multiple reasons. First, we use very strong mixers and gain stages. Second, in many cases there?s no need to turn the preamp on at all. (Example: the K3S?s preamp-off sensitivity is typically -135 dB, while the preamp-off sensitivity on a typical direct-sampling SDR is -115 to -125 dB.) The third reason for the K3S?s strong-signal performance is its crystal roofing filters. These protect the ADC from not only wide-spaced signals, but also from signals very close by. As K3 and K3S owners will attest, you can have a huge signal just a few hundred Hz away and not even know it?s there -- unless that station?s transmit phase noise is blanketing the band anyway. (There?s no defense against an unclean or clicky transmit signal.)

I?ve updated the referenced comparison chart to clarify this important difference. Our webmaster will put it up next week.

Meanwhile, I?ll continue to send it on request (email me directly). Feel free to share the information with anyone interested in the topic.

73,
Wayne
N6KR




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From elecraftcovers at gmail.com  Sun Jul 30 12:36:48 2017
From: elecraftcovers at gmail.com (Rose)
Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2017 10:36:48 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] OT: Re:  W2 Wattmeter 440 band accuracy?
Message-ID: <CAK+fsRXVXq=hbyhVXmwQT0MQeGZr5E0dX+1_ytK4OJ2d3uZCrg@mail.gmail.com>

The accuracy of a Bird Model 43 is +/- 5% of full scale.  The meter scale
is not
linear and produces the best read accuracy in the bottom portion of the
meter's
scale.

There are numerous watt meters on the market today that are more accurate.

FWIW  73!

Ken Kopp - K0PP
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
On Sun, Jul 30, 2017 at 9:23 AM, Michael Walker <va3mw at portcredit.net>
wrote:

> The only way to get the answer you wish is to compare it to a bench
> standard like a bird watt meter.
>
> Beyond that you are just guessing.   Sorry
>
> Mike va3mw
>
>
> On Sun, Jul 30, 2017 at 11:18 AM, Michael via Elecraft <
> elecraft at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
>
> > Measurement is in analog mode.....should have made that clear or not even
> > mentioned a digital radio!
> >
> > Michael

From n6kr at elecraft.com  Sun Jul 30 12:46:24 2017
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2017 09:46:24 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S (SDR/superhet hybrid) vs. entry-level
 direct-sampling radios
In-Reply-To: <85.DE.31699.4090E795@dnvrco-omsmta03>
References: <85.DE.31699.4090E795@dnvrco-omsmta03>
Message-ID: <401CDF33-E4DF-4B3B-A4BE-F50082F0077A@elecraft.com>


> GaryK9GS <garyk9gs at wi.rr.com> wrote:
> 
> Thanks for sending Wayne.   To take this discussion a step further,  is the Flex series of radios in the same category as the 7300?


Flex radios do use a direct-sampling architecture (with no roofing filters). The degree to which they?re subject to ADC over-range, and what they do about it in firmware, has been the subject of ongoing debate. It may be the case that, generally, the more you pay for a direct-sampling radio, the better the A-to-D converters, and the higher the ADC overrange threshold. 

That said, when measured with preamp off, the Flex 6700 has about 7 dB less IMD dynamic range than the K3S (see note Y in Sherwood?s chart), and 20 dB less blocking dynamic range. Both are direct consequences of not having narrowband roofing filters.

On the other hand, the Flex radios have a very broad panadapter display for those who require it.

73,
Wayne
N6KR


> 
> 
> 73,
> Gary K9GS
> -------- Original message --------From: Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com> Date: 7/30/17  11:14 AM  (GMT-06:00) To: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> Subject: [Elecraft] K3S (SDR/superhet hybrid) vs. entry-level
> 	direct-sampling radios 
> Hi all,
> 
> Over the past two days I?ve been deluged with requests for our K3S vs. IC7300 comparison chart. This stems from a posting that mentioned the latter rig, and my subsequent offer to send out the chart, which we normally use for in-house training purposes.
> 
> What?s become clear from all the questions and comments is that there?s a need for clarification on receiver architecture. 
> 
> The K3S, an SDR/superhet hybrid, includes narrowband protection of its A-to-D converters in the form of roofing filters (crystal filters). This is fundamentally different from the approach taken by direct-sampling radios, which have only very broadband filtering ahead of their ADCs. Typically, front-end band-pass filters are 0.5 to 4 MHz wide. Their ADCs will be impacted by all strong signals in this range, alone and in summation.
> 
> When the ADC over-ranges in this ?pure? SDR architecture, the radio usually reduces its gain automatically by either turning off preamps or adding attenuation. This increases the noise figure, often resulting in the loss of weak signals, both audibly and in the panadapter. Another word for it is ?desense.? You might hear a pulsing sound as the noise floor goes up and down in response to a particular signal, or the sensitivity may degrade for many seconds at a time while the firmware waits for levels to drop at the input to the ADC.
> 
> Such over-ranging is almost unheard of in the K3S, for multiple reasons. First, we use very strong mixers and gain stages. Second, in many cases there?s no need to turn the preamp on at all. (Example: the K3S?s preamp-off sensitivity is typically -135 dB, while the preamp-off sensitivity on a typical direct-sampling SDR is -115 to -125 dB.) The third reason for the K3S?s strong-signal performance is its crystal roofing filters. These protect the ADC from not only wide-spaced signals, but also from signals very close by. As K3 and K3S owners will attest, you can have a huge signal just a few hundred Hz away and not even know it?s there -- unless that station?s transmit phase noise is blanketing the band anyway. (There?s no defense against an unclean or clicky transmit signal.)
> 
> I?ve updated the referenced comparison chart to clarify this important difference. Our webmaster will put it up next week.
> 
> Meanwhile, I?ll continue to send it on request (email me directly). Feel free to share the information with anyone interested in the topic.
> 
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From kkinderen at gmail.com  Sun Jul 30 12:47:51 2017
From: kkinderen at gmail.com (Kevin der Kinderen)
Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2017 12:47:51 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S (SDR/superhet hybrid) vs. entry-level
 direct-sampling radios
In-Reply-To: <85.DE.31699.4090E795@dnvrco-omsmta03>
References: <85.DE.31699.4090E795@dnvrco-omsmta03>
Message-ID: <CAFA9ujsUSpF-9JyivEwK9_VV_U6NAkK9B4EXoNGFwatv_L=-Pw@mail.gmail.com>

Concerning Flex, one of the engineers posted a pretty detailed explanation
of how they handle strong signals in a wide band environment. This stuff is
still a bit over my head but owning both the KX3 and the Flex-6500 I can
say, I am never disappointed with either receiver in any environment. I
kind of feel like the luckiest dog in the world to have both.

I hope it is OK to post the link:

https://community.flexradio.com/flexradio/topics/adc-overload-myths-debunked

73,
Kev K4VD



On Sun, Jul 30, 2017 at 12:27 PM, GaryK9GS <garyk9gs at wi.rr.com> wrote:

> Thanks for sending Wayne.   To take this discussion a step further,  is
> the Flex series of radios in the same category as the 7300?
>
>
> 73,
> Gary K9GS
> -------- Original message --------From: Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com>
> Date: 7/30/17  11:14 AM  (GMT-06:00) To: Elecraft Reflector <
> elecraft at mailman.qth.net> Subject: [Elecraft] K3S (SDR/superhet hybrid)
> vs. entry-level
>         direct-sampling radios
> Hi all,
>
> Over the past two days I?ve been deluged with requests for our K3S vs.
> IC7300 comparison chart. This stems from a posting that mentioned the
> latter rig, and my subsequent offer to send out the chart, which we
> normally use for in-house training purposes.
>
> What?s become clear from all the questions and comments is that there?s a
> need for clarification on receiver architecture.
>
> The K3S, an SDR/superhet hybrid, includes narrowband protection of its
> A-to-D converters in the form of roofing filters (crystal filters). This is
> fundamentally different from the approach taken by direct-sampling radios,
> which have only very broadband filtering ahead of their ADCs. Typically,
> front-end band-pass filters are 0.5 to 4 MHz wide. Their ADCs will be
> impacted by all strong signals in this range, alone and in summation.
>
> When the ADC over-ranges in this ?pure? SDR architecture, the radio
> usually reduces its gain automatically by either turning off preamps or
> adding attenuation. This increases the noise figure, often resulting in the
> loss of weak signals, both audibly and in the panadapter. Another word for
> it is ?desense.? You might hear a pulsing sound as the noise floor goes up
> and down in response to a particular signal, or the sensitivity may degrade
> for many seconds at a time while the firmware waits for levels to drop at
> the input to the ADC.
>
> Such over-ranging is almost unheard of in the K3S, for multiple reasons.
> First, we use very strong mixers and gain stages. Second, in many cases
> there?s no need to turn the preamp on at all. (Example: the K3S?s
> preamp-off sensitivity is typically -135 dB, while the preamp-off
> sensitivity on a typical direct-sampling SDR is -115 to -125 dB.) The third
> reason for the K3S?s strong-signal performance is its crystal roofing
> filters. These protect the ADC from not only wide-spaced signals, but also
> from signals very close by. As K3 and K3S owners will attest, you can have
> a huge signal just a few hundred Hz away and not even know it?s there --
> unless that station?s transmit phase noise is blanketing the band anyway.
> (There?s no defense against an unclean or clicky transmit signal.)
>
> I?ve updated the referenced comparison chart to clarify this important
> difference. Our webmaster will put it up next week.
>
> Meanwhile, I?ll continue to send it on request (email me directly). Feel
> free to share the information with anyone interested in the topic.
>
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR
>
>
>
>
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From KX3.1 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com  Sun Jul 30 12:49:19 2017
From: KX3.1 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com (Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT)
Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2017 09:49:19 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S (SDR/superhet hybrid) vs. entry-level
 direct-sampling radios
In-Reply-To: <7E413367-D6AB-401D-8986-9EF23B0E9443@elecraft.com>
References: <7E413367-D6AB-401D-8986-9EF23B0E9443@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <2774d41b-eaa6-4cac-46db-c97030a60d98@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com>

Wayne,

How much resolution is available (how many bits per sample) in the 
typical modern A/D converter used in an IC-7300 or Flex?

73 -- Lynn

On 7/30/2017 9:14 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
> The K3S, an SDR/superhet hybrid, includes narrowband protection of its A-to-D converters in the form of roofing filters (crystal filters). This is fundamentally different from the approach taken by direct-sampling radios, which have only very broadband filtering ahead of their ADCs. Typically, front-end band-pass filters are 0.5 to 4 MHz wide. Their ADCs will be impacted by all strong signals in this range, alone and in summation.

From n6kr at elecraft.com  Sun Jul 30 12:55:28 2017
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2017 09:55:28 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S (SDR/superhet hybrid) vs. entry-level
 direct-sampling radios
In-Reply-To: <CAFA9ujsUSpF-9JyivEwK9_VV_U6NAkK9B4EXoNGFwatv_L=-Pw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <85.DE.31699.4090E795@dnvrco-omsmta03>
	<CAFA9ujsUSpF-9JyivEwK9_VV_U6NAkK9B4EXoNGFwatv_L=-Pw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5D30D72B-9DB5-4535-ACCA-A27A8899D41D@elecraft.com>

We?re quite familiar with this document. But blocking is blocking: a single strong signal in the passband of the RF band-pass filter can overrange the ADC, causing desense or spurious responses, thus requiring that gain be reduced ahead of it. Clever firmware can help, but it can?t  overcome the basic limitation on ADC input voltage spec. 

73,
Wayne
N6KR



> On Jul 30, 2017, at 9:47 AM, Kevin der Kinderen <kkinderen at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Concerning Flex, one of the engineers posted a pretty detailed explanation
> of how they handle strong signals in a wide band environment. This stuff is
> still a bit over my head but owning both the KX3 and the Flex-6500 I can
> say, I am never disappointed with either receiver in any environment. I
> kind of feel like the luckiest dog in the world to have both.
> 
> I hope it is OK to post the link:
> 
> https://community.flexradio.com/flexradio/topics/adc-overload-myths-debunked
> 
> 73,
> Kev K4VD
> 
> 
> 
> On Sun, Jul 30, 2017 at 12:27 PM, GaryK9GS <garyk9gs at wi.rr.com> wrote:
> 
>> Thanks for sending Wayne.   To take this discussion a step further,  is
>> the Flex series of radios in the same category as the 7300?
>> 
>> 
>> 73,
>> Gary K9GS
>> -------- Original message --------From: Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com>
>> Date: 7/30/17  11:14 AM  (GMT-06:00) To: Elecraft Reflector <
>> elecraft at mailman.qth.net> Subject: [Elecraft] K3S (SDR/superhet hybrid)
>> vs. entry-level
>>        direct-sampling radios
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> Over the past two days I?ve been deluged with requests for our K3S vs.
>> IC7300 comparison chart. This stems from a posting that mentioned the
>> latter rig, and my subsequent offer to send out the chart, which we
>> normally use for in-house training purposes.
>> 
>> What?s become clear from all the questions and comments is that there?s a
>> need for clarification on receiver architecture.
>> 
>> The K3S, an SDR/superhet hybrid, includes narrowband protection of its
>> A-to-D converters in the form of roofing filters (crystal filters). This is
>> fundamentally different from the approach taken by direct-sampling radios,
>> which have only very broadband filtering ahead of their ADCs. Typically,
>> front-end band-pass filters are 0.5 to 4 MHz wide. Their ADCs will be
>> impacted by all strong signals in this range, alone and in summation.
>> 
>> When the ADC over-ranges in this ?pure? SDR architecture, the radio
>> usually reduces its gain automatically by either turning off preamps or
>> adding attenuation. This increases the noise figure, often resulting in the
>> loss of weak signals, both audibly and in the panadapter. Another word for
>> it is ?desense.? You might hear a pulsing sound as the noise floor goes up
>> and down in response to a particular signal, or the sensitivity may degrade
>> for many seconds at a time while the firmware waits for levels to drop at
>> the input to the ADC.
>> 
>> Such over-ranging is almost unheard of in the K3S, for multiple reasons.
>> First, we use very strong mixers and gain stages. Second, in many cases
>> there?s no need to turn the preamp on at all. (Example: the K3S?s
>> preamp-off sensitivity is typically -135 dB, while the preamp-off
>> sensitivity on a typical direct-sampling SDR is -115 to -125 dB.) The third
>> reason for the K3S?s strong-signal performance is its crystal roofing
>> filters. These protect the ADC from not only wide-spaced signals, but also
>> from signals very close by. As K3 and K3S owners will attest, you can have
>> a huge signal just a few hundred Hz away and not even know it?s there --
>> unless that station?s transmit phase noise is blanketing the band anyway.
>> (There?s no defense against an unclean or clicky transmit signal.)
>> 
>> I?ve updated the referenced comparison chart to clarify this important
>> difference. Our webmaster will put it up next week.
>> 
>> Meanwhile, I?ll continue to send it on request (email me directly). Feel
>> free to share the information with anyone interested in the topic.
>> 
>> 73,
>> Wayne
>> N6KR
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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From n6kr at elecraft.com  Sun Jul 30 13:06:43 2017
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2017 10:06:43 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S (SDR/superhet hybrid) vs. entry-level
 direct-sampling radios
In-Reply-To: <2774d41b-eaa6-4cac-46db-c97030a60d98@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com>
References: <7E413367-D6AB-401D-8986-9EF23B0E9443@elecraft.com>
	<2774d41b-eaa6-4cac-46db-c97030a60d98@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com>
Message-ID: <91298223-0525-4E06-96F0-0F385168D155@elecraft.com>

I believe the Flex to be 16 bits and the Icom to be 14 bits, but if anyone has data to the the contrary, feel free to post it.

Even the most expensive 16-bit A-to-D converters, operating at RF sampling rates, can exhibit nonlinearity or even non-monotonicity in their lowest-order bits. The usual work-around is to dither (spread) the clock signal, either on the chip itself or by injecting a separate tone. This can help, but the results can be uneven. The result is that two direct-sampling radios of exactly the same model can vary considerably in IMD performance.

In the K3S, the ADC is operated at much lower sampling rates (48 kHz, as required for the 15 kHz second IF). Since it is also fully protected by crystal roofing filters, an entire class of wideband sampling spurious responses is eliminated, and the much higher ?NBSFDR? spec applies (narrowband spurious-free dynamic range). No dithering is required, and receiver sensitivity never has to be reduced due to out-of-band signals. That and the strong front end are why so many Field Day, multi-op contest, and DXpeditions stations use K3S?s and K3?s.

73,
Wayne
N6KR



> On Jul 30, 2017, at 9:49 AM, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT <KX3.1 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com> wrote:
> 
> Wayne,
> 
> How much resolution is available (how many bits per sample) in the typical modern A/D converter used in an IC-7300 or Flex?
> 
> 73 -- Lynn
> 
> On 7/30/2017 9:14 AM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
>> The K3S, an SDR/superhet hybrid, includes narrowband protection of its A-to-D converters in the form of roofing filters (crystal filters). This is fundamentally different from the approach taken by direct-sampling radios, which have only very broadband filtering ahead of their ADCs. Typically, front-end band-pass filters are 0.5 to 4 MHz wide. Their ADCs will be impacted by all strong signals in this range, alone and in summation.





From lists at subich.com  Sun Jul 30 13:23:34 2017
From: lists at subich.com (Joe Subich, W4TV)
Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2017 13:23:34 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S (SDR/superhet hybrid) vs. entry-level
 direct-sampling radios
In-Reply-To: <CAFA9ujsUSpF-9JyivEwK9_VV_U6NAkK9B4EXoNGFwatv_L=-Pw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <85.DE.31699.4090E795@dnvrco-omsmta03>
	<CAFA9ujsUSpF-9JyivEwK9_VV_U6NAkK9B4EXoNGFwatv_L=-Pw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <b3ae9458-ff9d-3d2b-0acd-8ba0c81bf79c@subich.com>



On 7/30/2017 12:47 PM, Kevin der Kinderen wrote:

 > I hope it is OK to post the link:
 > > 
https://community.flexradio.com/flexradio/topics/adc-overload-myths-debunked
Welcome to Flex's own myth.  If the information posted in that paper
were true, OFDM and/or CDMA base stations could use class C (or D or E)
amplifiers rated for average power.  That is demonstrably not true as
many signals of that type require class A or AB amplifiers with pre-
correction and peak power capacity of 6 to 20 dB greater than average
power output to prevent significant IMD issues.

73,

    ... Joe, W4TV


On 7/30/2017 12:47 PM, Kevin der Kinderen wrote:
> Concerning Flex, one of the engineers posted a pretty detailed explanation
> of how they handle strong signals in a wide band environment. This stuff is
> still a bit over my head but owning both the KX3 and the Flex-6500 I can
> say, I am never disappointed with either receiver in any environment. I
> kind of feel like the luckiest dog in the world to have both.
> 
> I hope it is OK to post the link:
> 
> https://community.flexradio.com/flexradio/topics/adc-overload-myths-debunked
> 
> 73,
> Kev K4VD
> 
> 
> 
> On Sun, Jul 30, 2017 at 12:27 PM, GaryK9GS <garyk9gs at wi.rr.com> wrote:
> 
>> Thanks for sending Wayne.   To take this discussion a step further,  is
>> the Flex series of radios in the same category as the 7300?
>>
>>
>> 73,
>> Gary K9GS
>> -------- Original message --------From: Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com>
>> Date: 7/30/17  11:14 AM  (GMT-06:00) To: Elecraft Reflector <
>> elecraft at mailman.qth.net> Subject: [Elecraft] K3S (SDR/superhet hybrid)
>> vs. entry-level
>>          direct-sampling radios
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Over the past two days I?ve been deluged with requests for our K3S vs.
>> IC7300 comparison chart. This stems from a posting that mentioned the
>> latter rig, and my subsequent offer to send out the chart, which we
>> normally use for in-house training purposes.
>>
>> What?s become clear from all the questions and comments is that there?s a
>> need for clarification on receiver architecture.
>>
>> The K3S, an SDR/superhet hybrid, includes narrowband protection of its
>> A-to-D converters in the form of roofing filters (crystal filters). This is
>> fundamentally different from the approach taken by direct-sampling radios,
>> which have only very broadband filtering ahead of their ADCs. Typically,
>> front-end band-pass filters are 0.5 to 4 MHz wide. Their ADCs will be
>> impacted by all strong signals in this range, alone and in summation.
>>
>> When the ADC over-ranges in this ?pure? SDR architecture, the radio
>> usually reduces its gain automatically by either turning off preamps or
>> adding attenuation. This increases the noise figure, often resulting in the
>> loss of weak signals, both audibly and in the panadapter. Another word for
>> it is ?desense.? You might hear a pulsing sound as the noise floor goes up
>> and down in response to a particular signal, or the sensitivity may degrade
>> for many seconds at a time while the firmware waits for levels to drop at
>> the input to the ADC.
>>
>> Such over-ranging is almost unheard of in the K3S, for multiple reasons.
>> First, we use very strong mixers and gain stages. Second, in many cases
>> there?s no need to turn the preamp on at all. (Example: the K3S?s
>> preamp-off sensitivity is typically -135 dB, while the preamp-off
>> sensitivity on a typical direct-sampling SDR is -115 to -125 dB.) The third
>> reason for the K3S?s strong-signal performance is its crystal roofing
>> filters. These protect the ADC from not only wide-spaced signals, but also
>> from signals very close by. As K3 and K3S owners will attest, you can have
>> a huge signal just a few hundred Hz away and not even know it?s there --
>> unless that station?s transmit phase noise is blanketing the band anyway.
>> (There?s no defense against an unclean or clicky transmit signal.)
>>
>> I?ve updated the referenced comparison chart to clarify this important
>> difference. Our webmaster will put it up next week.
>>
>> Meanwhile, I?ll continue to send it on request (email me directly). Feel
>> free to share the information with anyone interested in the topic.
>>
>> 73,
>> Wayne
>> N6KR
>>
>>
>>
>>
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From n6kr at elecraft.com  Sun Jul 30 13:53:31 2017
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2017 10:53:31 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Big opening on 6 meters right now...
Message-ID: <648683D4-646A-4155-BB89-3FF98AEBC653@elecraft.com>

73,
Wayne
N6KR


From n6kr at elecraft.com  Sun Jul 30 14:12:28 2017
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2017 11:12:28 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] How to keep track of grid squares logged?
Message-ID: <6417183D-ED00-4D7B-9751-60BC73CF58AC@elecraft.com>

Hi all,

On 6 m, everyone uses grid squares when reporting their QTH. Is there a web tool or spreadsheet available somewhere that allows you to conveniently keep track of which ones you?ve worked?

Thanks,
Wayne
N6KR


From richard at lamont.me.uk  Sun Jul 30 14:30:05 2017
From: richard at lamont.me.uk (Richard Lamont)
Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2017 19:30:05 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] How to keep track of grid squares logged?
In-Reply-To: <6417183D-ED00-4D7B-9751-60BC73CF58AC@elecraft.com>
References: <6417183D-ED00-4D7B-9751-60BC73CF58AC@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <6c0f84ae-bdb0-2992-395d-30f6f2ce75fe@lamont.me.uk>

On 30/07/17 19:12, Wayne Burdick wrote:

> On 6 m, everyone uses grid squares when reporting their QTH. Is there a web tool or spreadsheet available somewhere that allows you to conveniently keep track of which ones you?ve worked?

I just used a paper map and a highlight marker. This worked infallibly
right up to the senior moment when I put the map in the shredder.

73,
Richard G4DYA



From mt.grewe at gmail.com  Sun Jul 30 14:32:42 2017
From: mt.grewe at gmail.com (Martin Theodor Grewe)
Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2017 20:32:42 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 (SN01674) and CW in SSB - Feature request
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Hi @ll,

a final update to explain what can be done:

use macros and assign these to button PF1 and/or PF2:
PF1 - CWINSSB DELAY;MD3;KS014;BW0240;ML005;MG033;AG040;SWT11;SWT19;
PF2 - CLEANUP
DELAY;MD3;BW0240;ML005;MD2;DELAY;MN255;BW0240;ML001;NL0100;NB1;PA1;XT0;RT0;RA0;SQ0;SB0;LN0;LK0;AG040;BN16;DB05;

First: go to menu CW WGHT, tap PRE to "SSB +CW", tap CM;P to "VFO OFS".
PF1 means: you're in SSB-Mode, somebody is calling you in CW. PF1 switch to
CW, set CW keyer speed, bandwidth, monitor level, mic gain, send cw keyer 1
message
PF2 means: cleanup settings. CW bandwidth 2.4kHz, monitor level 5, mode
SSB, exit menue, bandwidth 2.4kHz, monitor level 1, NB on with level 1, PRE
on, XIT off, RIT off, ATT off,
squelch off, link vfo off, vfo lock off, audio level 40, go to 2m band,
display PA2 temp.

Thanks for the ideas and help.

73 de Martin, DL1MTG

2017-07-28 19:13 GMT+02:00 Martin Theodor Grewe <mt.grewe at gmail.com>:

> Hi Don,
>
> thanks for your answer and the idea to use macros.
>
> At this time I use KX3 utility to setup a macro for testing.
>
> E.g.:
> Macro 2: CWINSSB DELAY;MD3;DELAY;DELAY;KS014;BW0240;SWT11;SWT19;MD2;
> Starting mode: SSB: switch to CW, Keyer speed 14, bandwith 2.4kHz, Key MSG
> and Key 1... then back to SSB.
>
> Due to the "CW Text to send"-time the MD2 is ignored and I do not like to
> set "random" DELAYs to get MD2 working, depending an keyer speed.
> Any suggestions?
>
> Kind regards,
> 73 de Martin, DL1MTG
>
> 2017-07-28 0:15 GMT+02:00 Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com>:
>
>> Martin,
>>
>> Yes, the CW memories will not work well with CW in SSB.
>> Input from the paddles or hand key should work fine.
>>
>> If you must use the CW memories, you must switch to CW mode and set the
>> frequency above or below the SSB frequency.  Perhaps a macro could be
>> created to do that with one button push, and another to go back to SSB.
>>
>> 73,
>> Don W3FPR
>>
>>
>> On 7/27/2017 8:39 AM, Martin Theodor Grewe wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Don,
>>>
>>> thanks for your answer ?and Explanation. CW WGHT is known but not
>>> helpful in this case.
>>>
>>> I'll try to explan: CW WGHT is set to 800Hz. I'am operating in USB,
>>> using CW-In-SSB. I can answer the station.
>>> But station cannot read my signal, I try to answer with an stored CW
>>> Memory because I am lazy. Now I have to
>>> change mode from SSB to CW to get CW Memory ... and so on with the next
>>> SSB-session answering a cw Station again.
>>>
>>> This is, for my understanding, a bit too much: Change mode, activate cw
>>> keyer etc.
>>>
>>> Its easier to have "Extended CW memories" only for CW-IN-SSB in SSB-mode.
>>>
>>>
>>
>

From va3mw at portcredit.net  Sun Jul 30 14:37:15 2017
From: va3mw at portcredit.net (Michael Walker)
Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2017 14:37:15 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] How to keep track of grid squares logged?
In-Reply-To: <6c0f84ae-bdb0-2992-395d-30f6f2ce75fe@lamont.me.uk>
References: <6417183D-ED00-4D7B-9751-60BC73CF58AC@elecraft.com>
	<6c0f84ae-bdb0-2992-395d-30f6f2ce75fe@lamont.me.uk>
Message-ID: <6F0640FE-C903-48E6-BA75-1387CE0E43B6@portcredit.net>

Log4om will create a google earth view that is pretty cool. 

I just did one last night.  35 grids on ft8 in a week. 

Mike va3mw

Sent from my iPad

> On Jul 30, 2017, at 2:30 PM, Richard Lamont <richard at lamont.me.uk> wrote:
> 
>> On 30/07/17 19:12, Wayne Burdick wrote:
>> 
>> On 6 m, everyone uses grid squares when reporting their QTH. Is there a web tool or spreadsheet available somewhere that allows you to conveniently keep track of which ones you?ve worked?
> 
> I just used a paper map and a highlight marker. This worked infallibly
> right up to the senior moment when I put the map in the shredder.
> 
> 73,
> Richard G4DYA
> 
> 
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From kq5stom at gmail.com  Sun Jul 30 14:47:59 2017
From: kq5stom at gmail.com (Tom-KQ5S)
Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2017 13:47:59 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] Fwd:  How to keep track of grid squares logged?
In-Reply-To: <CABBJzNhadLh10tJpQa=m+VNmLyb4zh4QexC6SHgxkc-iy1YVyw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6417183D-ED00-4D7B-9751-60BC73CF58AC@elecraft.com>
	<CABBJzNhadLh10tJpQa=m+VNmLyb4zh4QexC6SHgxkc-iy1YVyw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CABBJzNhypanNOANJ7PYmHVXgwHevtuUptGgQ4SGm7sJ3B01F4A@mail.gmail.com>

Meant to send this to the group.


73,
Tom - KQ5S

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Tom-KQ5S <kq5stom at gmail.com>
Date: Sun, Jul 30, 2017 at 1:47 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] How to keep track of grid squares logged?
To: Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com>


DXKeeper, the logging component of DXLab, allows realtime tracking of VUCC.

http://www.dxlabsuite.com/dxlabwiki/VUCCAwardTracking


73,
Tom - KQ5S

On Sun, Jul 30, 2017 at 1:12 PM, Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> On 6 m, everyone uses grid squares when reporting their QTH. Is there a
> web tool or spreadsheet available somewhere that allows you to conveniently
> keep track of which ones you?ve worked?
>
> Thanks,
> Wayne
> N6KR
>
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From ns9i at bayland.net  Sun Jul 30 14:57:42 2017
From: ns9i at bayland.net (dgb)
Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2017 13:57:42 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] How to keep track of grid squares logged?
In-Reply-To: <6417183D-ED00-4D7B-9751-60BC73CF58AC@elecraft.com>
References: <6417183D-ED00-4D7B-9751-60BC73CF58AC@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <7c2aef85-e5a8-2762-146a-8d82234a2401@bayland.net>

I use a program

http://ve2zaz.net/WorkedGrids/WorkedGrids.htm

73 Dwight NS9I


On 7/30/2017 1:12 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> On 6 m, everyone uses grid squares when reporting their QTH. Is there a web tool or spreadsheet available somewhere that allows you to conveniently keep track of which ones you?ve worked?
>
> Thanks,
> Wayne
> N6KR
>
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From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Sun Jul 30 15:01:45 2017
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2017 12:01:45 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] How to keep track of grid squares logged?
In-Reply-To: <6c0f84ae-bdb0-2992-395d-30f6f2ce75fe@lamont.me.uk>
References: <6417183D-ED00-4D7B-9751-60BC73CF58AC@elecraft.com>
	<6c0f84ae-bdb0-2992-395d-30f6f2ce75fe@lamont.me.uk>
Message-ID: <1c3874c3-4596-60b4-1771-4349cc34525f@audiosystemsgroup.com>

On 7/30/2017 11:30 AM, Richard Lamont wrote:
> I just used a paper map and a highlight marker. This worked infallibly
> right up to the senior moment when I put the map in the shredder.

I do about the same, but haven't shredded it. Yet. :)  I make a single 
diagonal mark when I work the grid, and make it an X when it's confirmed.

As of last night, I've worked 130 grids this season, and I just worked a 
few more this morning. This map is great for showing 6M activity -- it 
shows spots for the last 60 minutes. Clicking on MUF ES will show 
locations of active Es regions.

http://www.dxmaps.com/spots/mapg.php?Lan=&Frec=50&ML=&Map=NA&HF=&DXC=ING2&GL=

73, Jim K9YC


From tomb18 at videotron.ca  Sun Jul 30 15:04:50 2017
From: tomb18 at videotron.ca (Tom)
Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2017 15:04:50 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] How to keep track of grid squares logged?
In-Reply-To: <bsjLdhKfdgLoKbsjMd4FDG@videotron.ca>
References: <bsjLdhKfdgLoKbsjMd4FDG@videotron.ca>
Message-ID: <911D260A047043C1ABF88A7FA339DF0C@DESKTOPAV61F2H>

You can use google earth with this:

http://www.fsdt.fi/freeware/grid/



-----Original Message----- 
From: Wayne Burdick
Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2017 2:12 PM
To: Elecraft Reflector
Subject: [Elecraft] How to keep track of grid squares logged?

Hi all,

On 6 m, everyone uses grid squares when reporting their QTH. Is there a web 
tool or spreadsheet available somewhere that allows you to conveniently keep 
track of which ones you?ve worked?

Thanks,
Wayne
N6KR

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From eaopa at comcast.net  Sun Jul 30 15:07:48 2017
From: eaopa at comcast.net (Gene O)
Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2017 15:07:48 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Freq. offset?? -- K3
Message-ID: <c09d46b0-0191-fbe4-04bb-99dbca838905@comcast.net>

I believe I solved the problem.  It seems in the P3 menu I somehow set 
the "Ref Cal" value to 700. Perhaps I thought it should be the same as 
the pitch???  (don't know what the hec I was thinking).

In any event I changed this to zero and I am now able to tune to a 
signal with the K3 and the cursor of the P3 centers at the same 
frequency.  Also now able to tap marker "A", move it to a signal that 
came up on the P3, tap the knob and the K3 move over to the same signal.

Life is good again.

Thank you all who responded!

Gene, W2BXR


From wunder at wunderwood.org  Sun Jul 30 15:25:47 2017
From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood)
Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2017 12:25:47 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] How to keep track of grid squares logged?
In-Reply-To: <1c3874c3-4596-60b4-1771-4349cc34525f@audiosystemsgroup.com>
References: <6417183D-ED00-4D7B-9751-60BC73CF58AC@elecraft.com>
	<6c0f84ae-bdb0-2992-395d-30f6f2ce75fe@lamont.me.uk>
	<1c3874c3-4596-60b4-1771-4349cc34525f@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Message-ID: <4263EFC4-4604-45DC-8525-70C94069AE75@wunderwood.org>

On the Mac, RUMlogNG (free) tracks grid squares. Use JT-Bridge to link it to WSJT-X.

wunder
K6WRU
Walter Underwood
Radio Scouting Chair, Pacific Skyline Council
http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog)

> On Jul 30, 2017, at 12:01 PM, Jim Brown <jim at audiosystemsgroup.com> wrote:
> 
> On 7/30/2017 11:30 AM, Richard Lamont wrote:
>> I just used a paper map and a highlight marker. This worked infallibly
>> right up to the senior moment when I put the map in the shredder.
> 
> I do about the same, but haven't shredded it. Yet. :)  I make a single diagonal mark when I work the grid, and make it an X when it's confirmed.
> 
> As of last night, I've worked 130 grids this season, and I just worked a few more this morning. This map is great for showing 6M activity -- it shows spots for the last 60 minutes. Clicking on MUF ES will show locations of active Es regions.
> 
> http://www.dxmaps.com/spots/mapg.php?Lan=&Frec=50&ML=&Map=NA&HF=&DXC=ING2&GL=
> 
> 73, Jim K9YC
> 
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From k6fw1 at verizon.net  Sun Jul 30 15:59:44 2017
From: k6fw1 at verizon.net (Frank Westphal)
Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2017 12:59:44 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] How to keep track of grid squares logged?
Message-ID: <b22166c1-b7c7-14df-7a39-2786409263fe@verizon.net>

Wayne,

Link to FFMA Grid Tracker spreadsheet developed by NZ3M.

http://www.nz3m.com/FFMA.html

Frank

Message: 16
Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2017 11:12:28 -0700
From: Wayne Burdick<n6kr at elecraft.com>
To: Elecraft Reflector<elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: [Elecraft] How to keep track of grid squares logged?
Message-ID:<6417183D-ED00-4D7B-9751-60BC73CF58AC at elecraft.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8

Hi all,

On 6 m, everyone uses grid squares when reporting their QTH. Is there a web tool or spreadsheet available somewhere that allows you to conveniently keep track of which ones you?ve worked?

Thanks,
Wayne
N6KR


From ctate at ewnetinc.com  Sun Jul 30 16:01:35 2017
From: ctate at ewnetinc.com (Chris Tate - N6WM)
Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2017 20:01:35 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] KAT-500 brain trust question
Message-ID: <236350B81BC09D42B8C3B41A97C654DD1FC842EA@AUSP01DAG0504.collaborationhost.net>

Is there a way to put the KAT500 in bypass when on certain bands?  Use case is SteppIR on AN1 and auto tracking, and HQ antenna on ANT2 that requires tune adjustment and memories.  KAT500 is getting band/QRG telemetry via cat from radio.

Thanks in advance..

Chris
N6WM

From otterson_nospam at nhrc.net  Sun Jul 30 16:21:10 2017
From: otterson_nospam at nhrc.net (Jeffrey Otterson)
Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2017 16:21:10 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] How to keep track of grid squares logged?
Message-ID: <CA+G8gAnDKsQb-39St+7xAFO5yObLAW-0xhX9D31+KKSwzB6NGg@mail.gmail.com>

Howdy,

I'm using DxLab to log everything, including the grid square, and then
submitting to Logbook of The World for confirmation.  "Worked" does not
mean much to me; what I am interested in is "confirmed."

I built this little toy to map my confirmed squares:

    https://www.n1kdo.com/lotw-gridmapper/6mGrids.html

The "toy" sucks down a ADIF file of confirmed 6m contacts from LoTW and
then plots them on Google Maps.  There is no reason why the toy should not
be able to ingest any ADIF file and plot the grids.  The code is all
javascript/css/html and there is a link to the sources on GitHub at the
bottom of the page.

Wayne, I am glad to hear you have discovered the joys of the Magic Band!

73

Jeff n1kdo









> From: Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com>
> To: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Cc:
> Bcc:
> Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2017 11:12:28 -0700
> Subject: [Elecraft] How to keep track of grid squares logged?
> Hi all,
> On 6 m, everyone uses grid squares when reporting their QTH. Is there a
> web tool or spreadsheet available somewhere that allows you to conveniently
> keep track of which ones you?ve worked?
> Thanks,
> Wayne
> N6KR

From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Sun Jul 30 16:29:45 2017
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2017 16:29:45 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KAT-500 brain trust question
In-Reply-To: <236350B81BC09D42B8C3B41A97C654DD1FC842EA@AUSP01DAG0504.collaborationhost.net>
References: <236350B81BC09D42B8C3B41A97C654DD1FC842EA@AUSP01DAG0504.collaborationhost.net>
Message-ID: <79c273d9-6aff-5ad7-74a5-0ea9e8bd6c1b@embarqmail.com>

Chris,

Yes, see page 17 of the KAT500 manual.  Easier for you to read it than 
for me to try to explain all of it.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 7/30/2017 4:01 PM, Chris Tate - N6WM wrote:
> Is there a way to put the KAT500 in bypass when on certain bands?  Use case is SteppIR on AN1 and auto tracking, and HQ antenna on ANT2 that requires tune adjustment and memories.  KAT500 is getting band/QRG telemetry via cat from radio.

From ctate at ewnetinc.com  Sun Jul 30 16:30:49 2017
From: ctate at ewnetinc.com (Chris Tate - N6WM)
Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2017 20:30:49 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] KAT-500 brain trust question
In-Reply-To: <79c273d9-6aff-5ad7-74a5-0ea9e8bd6c1b@embarqmail.com>
References: <236350B81BC09D42B8C3B41A97C654DD1FC842EA@AUSP01DAG0504.collaborationhost.net>,
	<79c273d9-6aff-5ad7-74a5-0ea9e8bd6c1b@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <B17D4AE1-F2DC-4FCE-ABCA-80D3B37773FB@ewnetinc.com>

Thanks Don I will take a look

Thanks
~C.

> On Jul 30, 2017, at 1:29 PM, Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Chris,
> 
> Yes, see page 17 of the KAT500 manual.  Easier for you to read it than for me to try to explain all of it.
> 
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
> 
>> On 7/30/2017 4:01 PM, Chris Tate - N6WM wrote:
>> Is there a way to put the KAT500 in bypass when on certain bands?  Use case is SteppIR on AN1 and auto tracking, and HQ antenna on ANT2 that requires tune adjustment and memories.  KAT500 is getting band/QRG telemetry via cat from radio.

From edauer at law.du.edu  Sun Jul 30 16:41:22 2017
From: edauer at law.du.edu (Dauer, Edward)
Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2017 20:41:22 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Maintaining Sanity with Filters
Message-ID: <825F5E62-46A5-4C01-A084-97E691CB1453@law.du.edu>

At one point during my time teaching law school some of my students suggested that drafting regulations when market forces are arrayed against you is like playing Whack-a-Mole.  Never having heard of it before, I looked into it.  Apparently Whack-a-Mole is generic for machines found in bars where graduate students go, in which the player whacks a plastic mole with a rubber mallet only to see another pop up from some other spot on the playing field.  I didn?t see much point in the game, then or now, other than as an outlet for educational frustration or just excess testosterone.  But the simile was apt.

Can a G-mail or any other filter really identify subjects whose name changes from time to time ? notice that I changed the title of this thread by dropping just one word.  Or another example ? in how many ways would I have to type title descriptions into a filter that would make it block posts that try to instruct Elecraft how to run its business?  Whack-a-Mole, indeed.   Conversely, are filters smart enough to allow through those posts that use the same name but whose contents have migrated to something actually worth reading?  My favorite example of that was an excruciatingly long thread a couple of years ago about using KX3s for communications on motorcycle club rides.  I couldn?t care less about the nominal subject ? but I did learn a good deal about portable use of my KX3.   Ditto more recently for finding the right grounding point on a Chevy Silverado.  Gems of all sorts in that one.

My solution is to take the reflector not in individual e-mails but in the once or twice daily collected format, whatever that?s called, then do a quick speed-read to ID what interests me. I don?t even bother with the delete key.  For extreme cases the nudging of a human moderator usually helps a lot.  Works great.  

Maybe I am just not yet ready to trust AI to replicate my judgment.  Am I wrong in that?  After all, Whack-a-Mole is a good metaphor for the habit of being a Luddite too.

Ted, KN1CBR


    Message: 1
    Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2017 17:55:46 -0400
    From: Kevin der Kinderen <kkinderen at gmail.com>
    To: Elecraft Reflector Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
    Subject: [Elecraft] Maintaining Sanity with Gmail Filters
    Message-ID:
    	<CAFA9ujtvMzU_F035NtDTJwpiTyQ635EpbwpjCpCaifeQaOO1oA at mail.gmail.com>
    Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
    
    For those with Gmail, the only way I have found to reduce the amount of
    reflector emails that don't interest me is to set up a filter.
    
    The way I do this is to first do a search on the subject I'm no longer
    interested in: "K3S Package Discounts" for example. Then, beside the search
    field there's a little arrow you can click. The little popup has a "Create
    filter with this search" link at the bottom. Click this. The next popup
    lets you decide what to do with current and future emails that meet the
    criteria. I select mark as read and delete it. I wish it could do more with
    the emails but that's another matter. There's a Learn More link if you get
    stuck.
    
    You can filter on many other search criteria such as sender. That comes in
    very handy.
    
    It almost always works. Sometimes the subject changes a little and usually
    the digests where the subject is not changed make it through. I haven't
    found a better way but I'm open to suggestions. Unsubscribing means I lose
    out on some very relevant and otherwise interesting topics. Maybe another
    Elecraft list called Elecraft-BS or something?
    
    Hope some find this helpful. It does reduce the inane conversations that
    drag on for hours and days. You may be able to test it with the subject of
    this post. It is a perfect example.
    
    73,
    Kev K4VD
 


From rask1553 at bellsouth.net  Sun Jul 30 16:50:56 2017
From: rask1553 at bellsouth.net (Michael Raskin)
Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2017 16:50:56 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] =?utf-8?q?Elecraft_Mini-Modules_For_Sale_=E2=80=93_Pri?=
	=?utf-8?q?ce_have_been_reduced?=
Message-ID: <0F1C514372C945C49EC5DFACBB77FF77@DESKTOPFSUHCE9>

Elecraft Mini-Modules For Sale ? Price have been reduced for these remaining Mini-Modules:

The following are completely built, tested, and in excellent working condition:

1)    BL1 - 150 Watt Wide-Band Balun (4:1) - $14.

2)    DL1 - 20W Dummy Load with RF Detector mounted inside W8FGU Plexiglas Enclosure - $22.

3)    XG2 - Signal Generator mounted inside W8FGU Plexiglas Enclosure with Power Switch - $75.

The following are unbuilt, brand-new kits:

1)    2T-Gen ? 2-Tone Test Oscillator (700Hz, 1900Hz) mounted inside W8FGU Plexiglas Enclosure with Power Switch - $50.

2)    XG2 - Signal Generator - $60.



Shipping extra.  PayPal or personal check.  Mike, W4UM

From N2ZDB at aol.com  Sun Jul 30 16:59:13 2017
From: N2ZDB at aol.com (N2ZDB at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2017 16:59:13 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] W2 Wattmeter 440 band accuracy?
Message-ID: <b713a.25a010b3.46afa2a1@aol.com>

OK so I am trying to measure around 5 Watts or so on the W2's 20 Watt  
scale.  The spec's for the W2 directional couplers are listed at 0.5 dB  
accuracy.  Is this anywhere or just at full scale? How much could it  be off at 
only 25% of full scale?
 
Trying to decide if the 2.8 Watts I am reading at 440 MHz on high power is  
too low with a spec of 5 Watts output!  If it is I can send it back to the  
place of purchase to be checked and exchanged if necessary.
 
There seems to be no problem on the 2 Meter band at only 25 % of scale (5  
Watts) reading....just on 440.
 
Michael
n2zdb
 
 
 
 
 
 
In a message dated 07/30/2017 12:36:49 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
elecraftcovers at gmail.com writes:

 


The accuracy of a Bird Model 43 is +/- 5% of full scale.  The meter  scale 
is not
linear and produces the best read accuracy in the bottom portion of the  
meter's 
scale.  


There are numerous watt meters on the market today that are more  accurate. 
 


FWIW  73!


Ken Kopp - K0PP

----------------------------------------------------------------------------
--------------------------
On Sun, Jul 30, 2017 at 9:23 AM, Michael Walker <va3mw at portcredit.net> 
wrote:

The  only way to get the answer you wish is to compare it to a bench
standard  like a bird watt meter.

Beyond that you are just guessing.   Sorry

Mike va3mw


On Sun, Jul 30, 2017 at 11:18 AM,  Michael via Elecraft <
elecraft at mailman.qth.net>  wrote:

> Measurement is in analog mode.....should have made that  clear or not even
> mentioned a digital radio!
>
>  Michael





From KX3.1 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com  Sun Jul 30 17:00:47 2017
From: KX3.1 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com (Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT)
Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2017 14:00:47 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] Maintaining Sanity with Filters
In-Reply-To: <825F5E62-46A5-4C01-A084-97E691CB1453@law.du.edu>
References: <825F5E62-46A5-4C01-A084-97E691CB1453@law.du.edu>
Message-ID: <ece8e907-3bd3-f26a-84a1-f44fc544d4b0@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com>

There is a technology that will sort mail from sources like this list, 
sort it accurately, and is easy to maintain.

The technology is called Naive Bayesian Filtering.  For 100 messages or 
so, you classify incoming mail into whatever "bins" you want.

Once that's done, you check the bins once in a while, and only 
reclassify the errors.

If you're really annoyed by off-topic mail, it'll do an awesome job of 
filtering with very little work on your part (and not much thought, past 
setting up the initial "bins.")

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/POPFile>

I've used it, it works extremely well.  In IMAP-mode, it could even work 
on web-based systems like GMail.

Since I'm not annoyed by off-topic mail (and often learn about things 
I'd never considered) I just use the delete key.

73 -- Lynn

On 7/30/2017 1:41 PM, Dauer, Edward wrote:
> Can a G-mail or any other filter really identify subjects whose name changes from time to time ? notice that I changed the title of this thread by dropping just one word.

From nr4c at widomaker.com  Sun Jul 30 17:14:23 2017
From: nr4c at widomaker.com (Nr4c)
Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2017 17:14:23 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Freq. offset?? -- K3
In-Reply-To: <A354CC4B-CE50-4BB3-8D4B-86AE5E3E6F1C@blomand.net>
References: <b8f7b1a9-a201-38d9-104e-76122479b92f@comcast.net>
	<CAFHjwP6q0e7rX7-+vDdjivGQBzLCSzeY8s0+iwFFLTkBGck9yg@mail.gmail.com>
	<A354CC4B-CE50-4BB3-8D4B-86AE5E3E6F1C@blomand.net>
Message-ID: <4711CFB7-26A7-4668-B078-D167493F1FF6@widomaker.com>

Calibrate the P3 

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill


> On Jul 29, 2017, at 10:51 PM, Bob McGraw K4TAX <rmcgraw at blomand.net> wrote:
> 
> Also check the settings of your side tone frequency.  If it is different than you tune, there will be an error.  
> 
> Bob, K4TAX
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jul 29, 2017, at 9:32 PM, Ian Kahn <km4ik.ian at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Check whether you may have accidentally set the RIT (Receive Incremental
>> Tuning) or XIT (Xmit Incremental Tuning). That happens to me sometimes.
>> 
>> 73 de,
>> 
>> Ian, KM4IK
>> 
>>> On Jul 29, 2017 9:14 PM, "Gene O" <eaopa at comcast.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Just discovered when trying to copy a strong CW signal the frequency seems
>>> to offset.  I can see the signal on my P3 at say 7024.000 but I hear the
>>> station the strongest at 7025.000. This occurs with either my 1.0khz or
>>> 400hz filter.
>>> 
>>> Is there some frequency offset that I may set in error?
>>> 
>>> Thanks. Gene, W2BXR
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From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Sun Jul 30 17:24:45 2017
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2017 17:24:45 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] W2 Wattmeter 440 band accuracy?
In-Reply-To: <b713a.25a010b3.46afa2a1@aol.com>
References: <b713a.25a010b3.46afa2a1@aol.com>
Message-ID: <9dd9457c-f3ba-28b7-672c-bcdb35f8d87a@embarqmail.com>

Michael,

In general, digital wattmeters have the same accuracy at any point on 
the scale - unlike analog wattmeters for which the accuracy is stated as 
a percentage of the full scale reading.  On a 20 watt scale, a 25% error 
would be up to 4 watts!

You might want to look at the specs for that 440 MHz transmitter as 
well.  If it 2.6 dB or so, getting 2.8 watts out for a 5 watt setting 
may be what you can expect.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 7/30/2017 4:59 PM, Michael via Elecraft wrote:
> OK so I am trying to measure around 5 Watts or so on the W2's 20 Watt
> scale.  The spec's for the W2 directional couplers are listed at 0.5 dB
> accuracy.  Is this anywhere or just at full scale? How much could it  be off at
> only 25% of full scale?
>   
> Trying to decide if the 2.8 Watts I am reading at 440 MHz on high power is
> too low with a spec of 5 Watts output!  If it is I can send it back to the
> place of purchase to be checked and exchanged if necessary.
>   
> There seems to be no problem on the 2 Meter band at only 25 % of scale (5
> Watts) reading....just on 440.
>   
> Michael
> n2zdb
>   
>   
>   
>   
>   
>   
> In a message dated 07/30/2017 12:36:49 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> elecraftcovers at gmail.com writes:
> 
>   
> 
> 
> The accuracy of a Bird Model 43 is +/- 5% of full scale.  The meter  scale
> is not
> linear and produces the best read accuracy in the bottom portion of the
> meter's
> scale.
> 
> 
> There are numerous watt meters on the market today that are more  accurate.
>   
> 
> 
> FWIW  73!
> 
> 
> Ken Kopp - K0PP
> 
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> --------------------------
> On Sun, Jul 30, 2017 at 9:23 AM, Michael Walker <va3mw at portcredit.net>
> wrote:
> 
> The  only way to get the answer you wish is to compare it to a bench
> standard  like a bird watt meter.
> 
> Beyond that you are just guessing.   Sorry
> 
> Mike va3mw
> 
> 
> On Sun, Jul 30, 2017 at 11:18 AM,  Michael via Elecraft <
> elecraft at mailman.qth.net>  wrote:
> 
>> Measurement is in analog mode.....should have made that  clear or not even
>> mentioned a digital radio!
>>
>>   Michael
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From cbjesseenh at comcast.net  Sun Jul 30 17:30:00 2017
From: cbjesseenh at comcast.net (Charles)
Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2017 21:30:00 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Elecraft] [K3S] K3S High SWR Shutdown on FT8?
In-Reply-To: <5b02fe35-9b0d-46cd-d1ee-5d825e2dc139@embarqmail.com>
References: <1501420597963-7632849.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<5b02fe35-9b0d-46cd-d1ee-5d825e2dc139@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <2109635663.20075028.1501450199998.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net>


From n6kr at elecraft.com  Sun Jul 30 17:37:43 2017
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2017 14:37:43 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] How to keep track of grid squares logged?
In-Reply-To: <b22166c1-b7c7-14df-7a39-2786409263fe@verizon.net>
References: <b22166c1-b7c7-14df-7a39-2786409263fe@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <7B02C919-617A-4123-92BB-64277A139934@elecraft.com>

This is just what I was looking for, Frank. 

Thanks, everyone, for all the other suggestions as well.

73,
Wayne
N6KR


> On Jul 30, 2017, at 12:59 PM, Frank Westphal <k6fw1 at verizon.net> wrote:
> 
> Wayne,
> 
> Link to FFMA Grid Tracker spreadsheet developed by NZ3M.
> 
> http://www.nz3m.com/FFMA.html
> 
> Frank
> 
> Message: 16
> Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2017 11:12:28 -0700
> From: Wayne Burdick<n6kr at elecraft.com>
> To: Elecraft Reflector<elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: [Elecraft] How to keep track of grid squares logged?
> Message-ID:<6417183D-ED00-4D7B-9751-60BC73CF58AC at elecraft.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> On 6 m, everyone uses grid squares when reporting their QTH. Is there a web tool or spreadsheet available somewhere that allows you to conveniently keep track of which ones you?ve worked?
> 
> Thanks,
> Wayne
> N6KR




From n6kr at elecraft.com  Sun Jul 30 18:08:52 2017
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2017 15:08:52 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] How to keep track of grid squares logged?
In-Reply-To: <b22166c1-b7c7-14df-7a39-2786409263fe@verizon.net>
References: <b22166c1-b7c7-14df-7a39-2786409263fe@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <A7095FA2-14E1-41EA-A978-47356D044B6B@elecraft.com>

Frank,

I downloaded this great tracking tool and filled in my 10 grid squares (so far). Long way to 488....

I?m replacing my 6 meter ham-stick dipole with a 2-element Moxon next week :)

Wayne
N6KR


> On Jul 30, 2017, at 12:59 PM, Frank Westphal <k6fw1 at verizon.net> wrote:
> 
> Wayne,
> 
> Link to FFMA Grid Tracker spreadsheet developed by NZ3M.
> 
> http://www.nz3m.com/FFMA.html
> 
> Frank
> 
> 


> 
> Hi all,
> 
> On 6 m, everyone uses grid squares when reporting their QTH. Is there a web tool or spreadsheet available somewhere that allows you to conveniently keep track of which ones you?ve worked?
> 
> Thanks,
> Wayne
> N6KR




From ctate at ewnetinc.com  Sun Jul 30 18:39:54 2017
From: ctate at ewnetinc.com (Chris Tate - N6WM)
Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2017 22:39:54 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] KAT-500 brain trust question
In-Reply-To: <B17D4AE1-F2DC-4FCE-ABCA-80D3B37773FB@ewnetinc.com>
References: <236350B81BC09D42B8C3B41A97C654DD1FC842EA@AUSP01DAG0504.collaborationhost.net>,
	<79c273d9-6aff-5ad7-74a5-0ea9e8bd6c1b@embarqmail.com>
	<B17D4AE1-F2DC-4FCE-ABCA-80D3B37773FB@ewnetinc.com>
Message-ID: <236350B81BC09D42B8C3B41A97C654DD1FC84C07@AUSP01DAG0504.collaborationhost.net>

Don thanks for this, indeed this is the current solution.  Although it is rather obscure as far as indicators on the front panel.

I would like to convert this to a feature request, as It would be nice if the firmware supported, and there was another matrix in the KAT500 Utility that would permit a hard bypass with indicator on a per band basis.  Gives that warm fuzzy its doing exactly what you want..

E.g. qsy to 20m.. bypass light comes on..

Chris
N6WM

-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Chris Tate - N6WM
Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2017 1:31 PM
To: donwilh at embarqmail.com
Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KAT-500 brain trust question

Thanks Don I will take a look

Thanks
~C.

> On Jul 30, 2017, at 1:29 PM, Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Chris,
> 
> Yes, see page 17 of the KAT500 manual.  Easier for you to read it than for me to try to explain all of it.
> 
> 73,
> Don W3FPR
> 
>> On 7/30/2017 4:01 PM, Chris Tate - N6WM wrote:
>> Is there a way to put the KAT500 in bypass when on certain bands?  Use case is SteppIR on AN1 and auto tracking, and HQ antenna on ANT2 that requires tune adjustment and memories.  KAT500 is getting band/QRG telemetry via cat from radio.
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From pubx1 at af2z.net  Sun Jul 30 18:45:40 2017
From: pubx1 at af2z.net (Drew AF2Z)
Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2017 18:45:40 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Maintaining Sanity with Filters
In-Reply-To: <825F5E62-46A5-4C01-A084-97E691CB1453@law.du.edu>
References: <825F5E62-46A5-4C01-A084-97E691CB1453@law.du.edu>
Message-ID: <d5a06f44-ca77-0c70-8027-009c7ac87422@af2z.net>

It's quite easy to scan the subject lines of individual emails, sorted 
by subject in a mail reader, and instantly deleted en masse if need be, 
rather than plowing through a serial listing of random topics in a 
digest; "speed reading" or no.

Also, with the tap of a key one can save the occasional interesting post 
for future reference. Can't do that in a digest.

After all these years on the internet the only slight irritation I have 
with email lists are subject lines such as "Question" or "How about 
this", etc. I assume that when someone hasn't put any thought into the 
subject line the rest of the post will not be worth reading. Such 
non-specific topics usually get deleted without further inspection. I 
don't mind off-topic posts at all if the subject line is descriptive of 
the content. Most list traffic is "off topic" to my narrow individual 
interests.

I enjoy quickly sorting the wheat from the chaff with a good mail 
reader. It's the email equivalent of a good HF receiver. Both deal with 
retrieving information from the noisy channel. Using a mail reader 
effectively does require touch typing ability and familiarity with the 
shortcut keys. If I had to do it by mouse clicking my way through each 
individual message in turn, that would indeed be agonizing.

The only reason I read the current thread is because I thought the topic 
was referring to receiver filters, not email filters. But maybe the 
above will help.


73,
Drew
AF2Z




On 07/30/17 16:41, Dauer, Edward wrote:
> At one point during my time teaching law school some of my students suggested that drafting regulations when market forces are arrayed against you is like playing Whack-a-Mole.  Never having heard of it before, I looked into it.  Apparently Whack-a-Mole is generic for machines found in bars where graduate students go, in which the player whacks a plastic mole with a rubber mallet only to see another pop up from some other spot on the playing field.  I didn?t see much point in the game, then or now, other than as an outlet for educational frustration or just excess testosterone.  But the simile was apt.
> 
> Can a G-mail or any other filter really identify subjects whose name changes from time to time ? notice that I changed the title of this thread by dropping just one word.  Or another example ? in how many ways would I have to type title descriptions into a filter that would make it block posts that try to instruct Elecraft how to run its business?  Whack-a-Mole, indeed.   Conversely, are filters smart enough to allow through those posts that use the same name but whose contents have migrated to something actually worth reading?  My favorite example of that was an excruciatingly long thread a couple of years ago about using KX3s for communications on motorcycle club rides.  I couldn?t care less about the nominal subject ? but I did learn a good deal about portable use of my KX3.   Ditto more recently for finding the right grounding point on a Chevy Silverado.  Gems of all sorts in that one.
> 
> My solution is to take the reflector not in individual e-mails but in the once or twice daily collected format, whatever that?s called, then do a quick speed-read to ID what interests me. I don?t even bother with the delete key.  For extreme cases the nudging of a human moderator usually helps a lot.  Works great.
> 
> Maybe I am just not yet ready to trust AI to replicate my judgment.  Am I wrong in that?  After all, Whack-a-Mole is a good metaphor for the habit of being a Luddite too.
> 
> Ted, KN1CBR
> 
> 
>      Message: 1
>      Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2017 17:55:46 -0400
>      From: Kevin der Kinderen <kkinderen at gmail.com>
>      To: Elecraft Reflector Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
>      Subject: [Elecraft] Maintaining Sanity with Gmail Filters
>      Message-ID:
>      	<CAFA9ujtvMzU_F035NtDTJwpiTyQ635EpbwpjCpCaifeQaOO1oA at mail.gmail.com>
>      Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>      
>      For those with Gmail, the only way I have found to reduce the amount of
>      reflector emails that don't interest me is to set up a filter.
>      
>      The way I do this is to first do a search on the subject I'm no longer
>      interested in: "K3S Package Discounts" for example. Then, beside the search
>      field there's a little arrow you can click. The little popup has a "Create
>      filter with this search" link at the bottom. Click this. The next popup
>      lets you decide what to do with current and future emails that meet the
>      criteria. I select mark as read and delete it. I wish it could do more with
>      the emails but that's another matter. There's a Learn More link if you get
>      stuck.
>      
>      You can filter on many other search criteria such as sender. That comes in
>      very handy.
>      
>      It almost always works. Sometimes the subject changes a little and usually
>      the digests where the subject is not changed make it through. I haven't
>      found a better way but I'm open to suggestions. Unsubscribing means I lose
>      out on some very relevant and otherwise interesting topics. Maybe another
>      Elecraft list called Elecraft-BS or something?
>      
>      Hope some find this helpful. It does reduce the inane conversations that
>      drag on for hours and days. You may be able to test it with the subject of
>      this post. It is a perfect example.
>      
>      73,
>      Kev K4VD
>   
> 
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From ve7xf at shaw.ca  Sun Jul 30 18:50:30 2017
From: ve7xf at shaw.ca (Ralph Parker)
Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2017 15:50:30 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] How to keep track of grid squares logged?
Message-ID: <5b949fac-daef-cbcd-cadf-179cbc3cbba2@shaw.ca>

In addition to DX Atlas and Logger32, I use the paper ARRL grid square 
map, overlaid with directional lines every 30 degrees true, for quick 
antenna pointing. You'll need that when you get your 7el Yagi up.

Yellow highlight for worked, green highlight for confirmed.

After a while, your skip zones become evident.

And it works when the computer is off :-)

VE7XF


From gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk  Sun Jul 30 18:51:23 2017
From: gm4jjj at yahoo.co.uk (David Anderson)
Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2017 23:51:23 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] How to keep track of grid squares logged?
In-Reply-To: <7B02C919-617A-4123-92BB-64277A139934@elecraft.com>
References: <b22166c1-b7c7-14df-7a39-2786409263fe@verizon.net>
	<7B02C919-617A-4123-92BB-64277A139934@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <49F63030-C134-4080-83D2-5DEEB671E84A@yahoo.co.uk>

I was going to suggest VQLOG by Gabriel EA6VQ, the same ham that produces the wonderful DXMaps spotting website.  

https://www.dxmaps.com/spots/mapg.php

https://www.dxmaps.com/vqlog.html

I have used VQLOG for all my VHF and UHF contacts and it makes keeping track of countries, grid squares, awards and so on very easy.   

If you are more than just a casual VHF guy then having a logging program like this is needed.

73 from David GM4JJJ

> On 30 Jul 2017, at 22:37, Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com> wrote:
> 
> This is just what I was looking for, Frank. 
> 
> Thanks, everyone, for all the other suggestions as well.
> 
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR
> 
> 
>> On Jul 30, 2017, at 12:59 PM, Frank Westphal <k6fw1 at verizon.net> wrote:
>> 
>> Wayne,
>> 
>> Link to FFMA Grid Tracker spreadsheet developed by NZ3M.
>> 
>> http://www.nz3m.com/FFMA.html
>> 
>> Frank
>> 
>> Message: 16
>> Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2017 11:12:28 -0700
>> From: Wayne Burdick<n6kr at elecraft.com>
>> To: Elecraft Reflector<elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
>> Subject: [Elecraft] How to keep track of grid squares logged?
>> Message-ID:<6417183D-ED00-4D7B-9751-60BC73CF58AC at elecraft.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> On 6 m, everyone uses grid squares when reporting their QTH. Is there a web tool or spreadsheet available somewhere that allows you to conveniently keep track of which ones you?ve worked?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Wayne
>> N6KR
> 
> 
> 
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From rask1553 at bellsouth.net  Sun Jul 30 20:45:09 2017
From: rask1553 at bellsouth.net (Michael Raskin)
Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2017 20:45:09 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] XG2 Signal Generator
Message-ID: <ADFE6CFEBB8746A0B0EB6C6DF0E64BFA@DESKTOPFSUHCE9>

XG2 - Signal Generator ? brand-new, unassembled kit ?Buy it from Elecraft for $89.95, or buy mine for $60 which includes free shipping CONUS.

All the other listed mini-modules have sold.
PayPal or personal check.  Mike, W4UM

From steding.bob at gmail.com  Sun Jul 30 21:06:09 2017
From: steding.bob at gmail.com (Bob Steding)
Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2017 21:06:09 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Maintaining Sanity with Filters
In-Reply-To: <d5a06f44-ca77-0c70-8027-009c7ac87422@af2z.net>
References: <825F5E62-46A5-4C01-A084-97E691CB1453@law.du.edu>
	<d5a06f44-ca77-0c70-8027-009c7ac87422@af2z.net>
Message-ID: <CAAACM0HWgDQK7=--oWXF6COfmO8Tb2LX6yRXY3iKJg38h7RAuA@mail.gmail.com>

And here I thought this thread was about Roofing *filters and their
potential to harm a ham's mental stability.*

On Sun, Jul 30, 2017 at 6:45 PM, Drew AF2Z <pubx1 at af2z.net> wrote:

> It's quite easy to scan the subject lines of individual emails, sorted by
> subject in a mail reader, and instantly deleted en masse if need be, rather
> than plowing through a serial listing of random topics in a digest; "speed
> reading" or no.
>
> Also, with the tap of a key one can save the occasional interesting post
> for future reference. Can't do that in a digest.
>
> After all these years on the internet the only slight irritation I have
> with email lists are subject lines such as "Question" or "How about this",
> etc. I assume that when someone hasn't put any thought into the subject
> line the rest of the post will not be worth reading. Such non-specific
> topics usually get deleted without further inspection. I don't mind
> off-topic posts at all if the subject line is descriptive of the content.
> Most list traffic is "off topic" to my narrow individual interests.
>
> I enjoy quickly sorting the wheat from the chaff with a good mail reader.
> It's the email equivalent of a good HF receiver. Both deal with retrieving
> information from the noisy channel. Using a mail reader effectively does
> require touch typing ability and familiarity with the shortcut keys. If I
> had to do it by mouse clicking my way through each individual message in
> turn, that would indeed be agonizing.
>
> The only reason I read the current thread is because I thought the topic
> was referring to receiver filters, not email filters. But maybe the above
> will help.
>
>
> 73,
> Drew
> AF2Z
>
>
>
>
>
> On 07/30/17 16:41, Dauer, Edward wrote:
>
>> At one point during my time teaching law school some of my students
>> suggested that drafting regulations when market forces are arrayed against
>> you is like playing Whack-a-Mole.  Never having heard of it before, I
>> looked into it.  Apparently Whack-a-Mole is generic for machines found in
>> bars where graduate students go, in which the player whacks a plastic mole
>> with a rubber mallet only to see another pop up from some other spot on the
>> playing field.  I didn?t see much point in the game, then or now, other
>> than as an outlet for educational frustration or just excess testosterone.
>> But the simile was apt.
>>
>> Can a G-mail or any other filter really identify subjects whose name
>> changes from time to time ? notice that I changed the title of this thread
>> by dropping just one word.  Or another example ? in how many ways would I
>> have to type title descriptions into a filter that would make it block
>> posts that try to instruct Elecraft how to run its business?  Whack-a-Mole,
>> indeed.   Conversely, are filters smart enough to allow through those posts
>> that use the same name but whose contents have migrated to something
>> actually worth reading?  My favorite example of that was an excruciatingly
>> long thread a couple of years ago about using KX3s for communications on
>> motorcycle club rides.  I couldn?t care less about the nominal subject ?
>> but I did learn a good deal about portable use of my KX3.   Ditto more
>> recently for finding the right grounding point on a Chevy Silverado.  Gems
>> of all sorts in that one.
>>
>> My solution is to take the reflector not in individual e-mails but in the
>> once or twice daily collected format, whatever that?s called, then do a
>> quick speed-read to ID what interests me. I don?t even bother with the
>> delete key.  For extreme cases the nudging of a human moderator usually
>> helps a lot.  Works great.
>>
>> Maybe I am just not yet ready to trust AI to replicate my judgment.  Am I
>> wrong in that?  After all, Whack-a-Mole is a good metaphor for the habit of
>> being a Luddite too.
>>
>> Ted, KN1CBR
>>
>>
>>      Message: 1
>>      Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2017 17:55:46 -0400
>>      From: Kevin der Kinderen <kkinderen at gmail.com>
>>      To: Elecraft Reflector Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net>
>>      Subject: [Elecraft] Maintaining Sanity with Gmail Filters
>>      Message-ID:
>>         <CAFA9ujtvMzU_F035NtDTJwpiTyQ635EpbwpjCpCaifeQaOO1oA at mail.
>> gmail.com>
>>      Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>>           For those with Gmail, the only way I have found to reduce the
>> amount of
>>      reflector emails that don't interest me is to set up a filter.
>>           The way I do this is to first do a search on the subject I'm no
>> longer
>>      interested in: "K3S Package Discounts" for example. Then, beside the
>> search
>>      field there's a little arrow you can click. The little popup has a
>> "Create
>>      filter with this search" link at the bottom. Click this. The next
>> popup
>>      lets you decide what to do with current and future emails that meet
>> the
>>      criteria. I select mark as read and delete it. I wish it could do
>> more with
>>      the emails but that's another matter. There's a Learn More link if
>> you get
>>      stuck.
>>           You can filter on many other search criteria such as sender.
>> That comes in
>>      very handy.
>>           It almost always works. Sometimes the subject changes a little
>> and usually
>>      the digests where the subject is not changed make it through. I
>> haven't
>>      found a better way but I'm open to suggestions. Unsubscribing means
>> I lose
>>      out on some very relevant and otherwise interesting topics. Maybe
>> another
>>      Elecraft list called Elecraft-BS or something?
>>           Hope some find this helpful. It does reduce the inane
>> conversations that
>>      drag on for hours and days. You may be able to test it with the
>> subject of
>>      this post. It is a perfect example.
>>           73,
>>      Kev K4VD
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From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Sun Jul 30 21:11:54 2017
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2017 21:11:54 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] KAT-500 brain trust question
In-Reply-To: <236350B81BC09D42B8C3B41A97C654DD1FC84C07@AUSP01DAG0504.collaborationhost.net>
References: <236350B81BC09D42B8C3B41A97C654DD1FC842EA@AUSP01DAG0504.collaborationhost.net>
	<79c273d9-6aff-5ad7-74a5-0ea9e8bd6c1b@embarqmail.com>
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Message-ID: <e6d23996-30fd-4988-6ad1-8489575d526e@embarqmail.com>

Chris,

There is an alternative that I have suggested many times for the KAT100 
(and KAT2) that should work with the KAT500 as well.
Tune the ATU into a dummy load for those bands and antennas you want to 
use with the SteppIR, and then connect the real antenna. Make certain 
the KAT500 is set to MAN so it does not auto-tune.
It may or may not be a true bypass, the the ATU L/C combinations should 
be set to work into a 50 ohm load.  Then when you tune the SteppIR, it 
should be matched after its tuning process completes.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 7/30/2017 6:39 PM, Chris Tate - N6WM wrote:
> Don thanks for this, indeed this is the current solution.  Although it is rather obscure as far as indicators on the front panel.
>
> I would like to convert this to a feature request, as It would be nice if the firmware supported, and there was another matrix in the KAT500 Utility that would permit a hard bypass with indicator on a per band basis.  Gives that warm fuzzy its doing exactly what you want..
>
> E.g. qsy to 20m.. bypass light comes on..
>
> Chris
> N6WM
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Chris Tate - N6WM
> Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2017 1:31 PM
> To: donwilh at embarqmail.com
> Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KAT-500 brain trust question
>
> Thanks Don I will take a look
>
> Thanks
> ~C.
>
>> On Jul 30, 2017, at 1:29 PM, Don Wilhelm <donwilh at embarqmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Chris,
>>
>> Yes, see page 17 of the KAT500 manual.  Easier for you to read it than for me to try to explain all of it.
>>
>> 73,
>> Don W3FPR
>>
>>> On 7/30/2017 4:01 PM, Chris Tate - N6WM wrote:
>>> Is there a way to put the KAT500 in bypass when on certain bands?  Use case is SteppIR on AN1 and auto tracking, and HQ antenna on ANT2 that requires tune adjustment and memories.  KAT500 is getting band/QRG telemetry via cat from radio.
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From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Sun Jul 30 21:20:16 2017
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2017 18:20:16 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] How to keep track of grid squares logged?
In-Reply-To: <CA+G8gAnDKsQb-39St+7xAFO5yObLAW-0xhX9D31+KKSwzB6NGg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+G8gAnDKsQb-39St+7xAFO5yObLAW-0xhX9D31+KKSwzB6NGg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c1d539a5-f365-32fa-4004-9c0da261281b@audiosystemsgroup.com>

This is MONDO COOL, Jeff!  Thanks!

Feature request -- how about showing only grids that are still needed?

73, Jim K9YC

On 7/30/2017 1:21 PM, Jeffrey Otterson wrote:
> I built this little toy to map my confirmed squares:
>
>      https://www.n1kdo.com/lotw-gridmapper/6mGrids.html



From gwwa5uih at hotmail.com  Sun Jul 30 23:18:06 2017
From: gwwa5uih at hotmail.com (George Winship, NC5G)
Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2017 20:18:06 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] OT Yamaha CM-500 ear pads
Message-ID: <1501471086268-7632896.post@n2.nabble.com>

Has anyone found a suitable replacement ear pad. Mine are worn out. Otherwise
the headset is good and hate to discard it. Did not find anything in the
archives.

73, George NC5G



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From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Sun Jul 30 23:24:37 2017
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2017 22:24:37 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] OT Yamaha CM-500 ear pads
In-Reply-To: <1501471086268-7632896.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1501471086268-7632896.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <d09608a6-a57a-247d-f739-6cee12657a17@blomand.net>

For the price of the headset...............order a new 
one...........trash the old one.    I'd expect cost of the ear pads plus 
shipping is ........... 1/2 the cost of a new headset.

73

Bob, K4TAX


On 7/30/2017 10:18 PM, George Winship, NC5G wrote:
> Has anyone found a suitable replacement ear pad. Mine are worn out. Otherwise
> the headset is good and hate to discard it. Did not find anything in the
> archives.
>
> 73, George NC5G
>
>
>
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From garyk9gs at wi.rr.com  Sun Jul 30 23:55:32 2017
From: garyk9gs at wi.rr.com (GaryK9GS)
Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2017 22:55:32 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] OT Yamaha CM-500 ear pads
Message-ID: <1C.6C.08177.53AAE795@dnvrco-omsmta01>

Bob, K4TAX, Isis probably right. ?You could try getting a set of Koss SB40 pads but it's probably not worth the trouble.
https://www.koss.com/headphones/headsets/sb40


73,
Gary K9GS
-------- Original message --------From: Bob McGraw K4TAX <rmcgraw at blomand.net> Date: 7/30/17  10:24 PM  (GMT-06:00) To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT Yamaha CM-500 ear pads 
For the price of the headset...............order a new 
one...........trash the old one.??? I'd expect cost of the ear pads plus 
shipping is ........... 1/2 the cost of a new headset.

73

Bob, K4TAX


On 7/30/2017 10:18 PM, George Winship, NC5G wrote:
> Has anyone found a suitable replacement ear pad. Mine are worn out. Otherwise
> the headset is good and hate to discard it. Did not find anything in the
> archives.
>
> 73, George NC5G
>
>
>
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From josh at voodoolab.com  Mon Jul 31 00:15:00 2017
From: josh at voodoolab.com (Josh Fiden)
Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2017 21:15:00 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] OT Yamaha CM-500 ear pads
In-Reply-To: <1C.6C.08177.53AAE795@dnvrco-omsmta01>
References: <1C.6C.08177.53AAE795@dnvrco-omsmta01>
Message-ID: <78d4c0b5-ee04-3765-cdca-fcee62834587@voodoolab.com>

If any of these Koss options will fit, they sell them for $5 and have a 
free ground shipping option.

https://www.koss.com/accessories/cushions

73,
Josh W6XU

On 7/30/2017 8:55 PM, GaryK9GS wrote:
> Bob, K4TAX, Isis probably right.  You could try getting a set of Koss SB40 pads but it's probably not worth the trouble.
> https://www.koss.com/headphones/headsets/sb40
>
>


From kengkopp at gmail.com  Mon Jul 31 00:21:38 2017
From: kengkopp at gmail.com (Ken G Kopp)
Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2017 22:21:38 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] OT Yamaha CM-500 ear pads
In-Reply-To: <1501471086268-7632896.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1501471086268-7632896.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <CAD4CdTNtncuhJ_ko0Fe=EaZbjZDLXGHQqyPacX8EHDa-D4ZUyQ@mail.gmail.com>

Might try musical instrument vendors.  Good sources for foot switches, etc.

Maybe an inquiry on Amazon would turn them up.  It has "everything"! (:-))

73

K0PP

On Jul 30, 2017 21:18, "George Winship, NC5G" <gwwa5uih at hotmail.com> wrote:

> Has anyone found a suitable replacement ear pad. Mine are worn out.
> Otherwise
> the headset is good and hate to discard it. Did not find anything in the
> archives.
>
> 73, George NC5G
>
>
>
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From elecraftcovers at gmail.com  Mon Jul 31 00:42:06 2017
From: elecraftcovers at gmail.com (Rose)
Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2017 22:42:06 -0600
Subject: [Elecraft] OT Yamaha CM-500 ear pads
In-Reply-To: <1C.6C.08177.53AAE795@dnvrco-omsmta01>
References: <1C.6C.08177.53AAE795@dnvrco-omsmta01>
Message-ID: <CAK+fsRWa3jVtCLYRGK1EbpU6TFofR8XzDfTZY3D4sso4L=1y9w@mail.gmail.com>

Yup, just looked ... Amazon has several vendors offering the ear pads.

73

K0PP

On Jul 30, 2017 21:57, "GaryK9GS" <garyk9gs at wi.rr.com> wrote:

> Bob, K4TAX, Isis probably right.  You could try getting a set of Koss SB40
> pads but it's probably not worth the trouble.
> https://www.koss.com/headphones/headsets/sb40
>
>
> 73,
> Gary K9GS
> -------- Original message --------From: Bob McGraw K4TAX <
> rmcgraw at blomand.net> Date: 7/30/17  10:24 PM  (GMT-06:00) To:
> elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT Yamaha CM-500 ear pads
> For the price of the headset...............order a new
> one...........trash the old one.    I'd expect cost of the ear pads plus
> shipping is ........... 1/2 the cost of a new headset.
>
> 73
>
> Bob, K4TAX
>
>
> On 7/30/2017 10:18 PM, George Winship, NC5G wrote:
> > Has anyone found a suitable replacement ear pad. Mine are worn out.
> Otherwise
> > the headset is good and hate to discard it. Did not find anything in the
> > archives.
> >
> > 73, George NC5G
> >
> >
> >
> > --
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From ua9cdc at gmail.com  Mon Jul 31 01:46:20 2017
From: ua9cdc at gmail.com (Igor Sokolov)
Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2017 10:46:20 +0500
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S (SDR/superhet hybrid) vs. entry-level
 direct-sampling radios
In-Reply-To: <401CDF33-E4DF-4B3B-A4BE-F50082F0077A@elecraft.com>
References: <85.DE.31699.4090E795@dnvrco-omsmta03>
	<401CDF33-E4DF-4B3B-A4BE-F50082F0077A@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <688896b0-8a81-e13d-84a2-2032ad4522ab@gmail.com>


May I add that another good feature of a direct sampling SDR is low IMD 
in the passband. That is due to lack of crystal filter in the passband. 
The result is that that output audio is cleaner especially when there 
are several stations calling on the same frequency.

73, Igor UA9CDC

30.07.2017 21:46, Wayne Burdick ?????:
>> GaryK9GS <garyk9gs at wi.rr.com> wrote:
>>
>> Thanks for sending Wayne.   To take this discussion a step further,  is the Flex series of radios in the same category as the 7300?
>
> Flex radios do use a direct-sampling architecture (with no roofing filters). The degree to which they?re subject to ADC over-range, and what they do about it in firmware, has been the subject of ongoing debate. It may be the case that, generally, the more you pay for a direct-sampling radio, the better the A-to-D converters, and the higher the ADC overrange threshold.
>
> That said, when measured with preamp off, the Flex 6700 has about 7 dB less IMD dynamic range than the K3S (see note Y in Sherwood?s chart), and 20 dB less blocking dynamic range. Both are direct consequences of not having narrowband roofing filters.
>
> On the other hand, the Flex radios have a very broad panadapter display for those who require it.
>
> 73,
> Wayne
> N6KR
>
>
>>
>> 73,
>> Gary K9GS
>> -------- Original message --------From: Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com> Date: 7/30/17  11:14 AM  (GMT-06:00) To: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> Subject: [Elecraft] K3S (SDR/superhet hybrid) vs. entry-level
>> 	direct-sampling radios
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Over the past two days I?ve been deluged with requests for our K3S vs. IC7300 comparison chart. This stems from a posting that mentioned the latter rig, and my subsequent offer to send out the chart, which we normally use for in-house training purposes.
>>
>> What?s become clear from all the questions and comments is that there?s a need for clarification on receiver architecture.
>>
>> The K3S, an SDR/superhet hybrid, includes narrowband protection of its A-to-D converters in the form of roofing filters (crystal filters). This is fundamentally different from the approach taken by direct-sampling radios, which have only very broadband filtering ahead of their ADCs. Typically, front-end band-pass filters are 0.5 to 4 MHz wide. Their ADCs will be impacted by all strong signals in this range, alone and in summation.
>>
>> When the ADC over-ranges in this ?pure? SDR architecture, the radio usually reduces its gain automatically by either turning off preamps or adding attenuation. This increases the noise figure, often resulting in the loss of weak signals, both audibly and in the panadapter. Another word for it is ?desense.? You might hear a pulsing sound as the noise floor goes up and down in response to a particular signal, or the sensitivity may degrade for many seconds at a time while the firmware waits for levels to drop at the input to the ADC.
>>
>> Such over-ranging is almost unheard of in the K3S, for multiple reasons. First, we use very strong mixers and gain stages. Second, in many cases there?s no need to turn the preamp on at all. (Example: the K3S?s preamp-off sensitivity is typically -135 dB, while the preamp-off sensitivity on a typical direct-sampling SDR is -115 to -125 dB.) The third reason for the K3S?s strong-signal performance is its crystal roofing filters. These protect the ADC from not only wide-spaced signals, but also from signals very close by. As K3 and K3S owners will attest, you can have a huge signal just a few hundred Hz away and not even know it?s there -- unless that station?s transmit phase noise is blanketing the band anyway. (There?s no defense against an unclean or clicky transmit signal.)
>>
>> I?ve updated the referenced comparison chart to clarify this important difference. Our webmaster will put it up next week.
>>
>> Meanwhile, I?ll continue to send it on request (email me directly). Feel free to share the information with anyone interested in the topic.
>>
>> 73,
>> Wayne
>> N6KR
>>
>>
>>
>>
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From g4gnx at g4gnx.com  Mon Jul 31 03:49:34 2017
From: g4gnx at g4gnx.com (G4GNX)
Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2017 08:49:34 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] XG2 Signal Generator
In-Reply-To: <ADFE6CFEBB8746A0B0EB6C6DF0E64BFA@DESKTOPFSUHCE9>
References: <ADFE6CFEBB8746A0B0EB6C6DF0E64BFA@DESKTOPFSUHCE9>
Message-ID: <91E02B3E3F654DBA8A3F6C0AC680D672@G4GNXLaptop>

Michael.

I direct emailed you yesterday. Can you check your spam box.

73,

Alan. G4GNX

-----Original Message----- 
From: Michael Raskin
Sent: Monday, July 31, 2017 1:45 AM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] XG2 Signal Generator

XG2 - Signal Generator ? brand-new, unassembled kit ?Buy it from Elecraft 
for $89.95, or buy mine for $60 which includes free shipping CONUS.

All the other listed mini-modules have sold.
PayPal or personal check.  Mike, W4UM


From g8kbvdave at googlemail.com  Mon Jul 31 04:19:43 2017
From: g8kbvdave at googlemail.com (Dave B)
Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2017 09:19:43 +0100
Subject: [Elecraft] [K3S] K3S High SWR Shutdown on FT8?
In-Reply-To: <mailman.6858.1501442761.7807.elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
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Why on earth bother with the tuner in the radio, when you've matched the
antenna to the feeder at the feed point?

All your doing is adding extra loss to both the TX and RX path.

If the match (indicated by VSWR at the rig end of things) is changing
during the 15 second FT8 transmission period, that could be stressing a
PA and or PSU, and you're hearing an over-temp warning from something,
if that's what it is.

Either case, the cause of the wandering VSWR (if that is it) or the lack
of cooing to the PA/PSU needs sorting out.

Lastly, most people running JT (and other digi) modes, don't run the rig
at full power, but between 25 and 50%.  50W is half an S point down on
100W.  Those that do run QRO on those modes, do so with a "Large" PA,
also under run, to keep it very linear (for the modes that need it)
and/or within it's dissipation/duty cycle ratings.

73.

Dave G0WBX.


On 30/07/17 20:26, elecraft-request at mailman.qth.net wrote:
> On 7/30/2017 9:16 AM, MaverickNH wrote:
>> I'm using a K3S/100 with ATU to drive a 43ft vertical with remote ATU at
>> base. To operate, I typically bypass the K3S ATU, tune the remote ATU to 1:1
>> on 20m, then turn the K3S ATU to auto and tune again to 1:1 reading on the
>> K3S. Running WSJT-X FT8 digital mode at 63W, all is fine, but if I run 100W
>> too long I sometimes hear an alarm and turn power back to 63W (the alarm
>> stops) or the K3S just shuts down. I'm not sure where the high-pitch alarm
>> is coming from - I have a nearby Yaesu FP3010A Linear PSU but the manual
>> mentions nothing about an alarm. Nor does the K3S mention an alarm. I see no
>> High SWR warning on the K3S display. The PSU does not turn off.


From martin.rath at gmail.com  Mon Jul 31 05:06:50 2017
From: martin.rath at gmail.com (Martin Rath)
Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2017 11:06:50 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] [K2] Random LCD display - Speed and Power
Message-ID: <CANo6VyaLYagWQRSyaRy1aMgGTRtTwLeQg3ug+UpWeopaO+j2vA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

I happen to be in Europe for a few weeks of holidays and wanted to use my
old K2 that I never imported into Singapore for some QSO's.

I'm facing an issue with the LCD randomly flickering and displaying the
power and speed.

I have also experienced that when I'm in the middle of a QSO the speed will
randomly change.

I have unfortunately absolutely no ways of measuring anything but if anyone
of you would have an idea it would be great. I have uploaded a short video
to Youtube showing what is going on :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYvkC6y-A_E

Thanks for your input and best 73's de Martin 9V1RM

From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Mon Jul 31 07:01:43 2017
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2017 07:01:43 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] [K2] Random LCD display - Speed and Power
In-Reply-To: <CANo6VyaLYagWQRSyaRy1aMgGTRtTwLeQg3ug+UpWeopaO+j2vA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANo6VyaLYagWQRSyaRy1aMgGTRtTwLeQg3ug+UpWeopaO+j2vA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <58765a38-6347-422f-8689-4d98d18f3436@embarqmail.com>

Martin,

While that may happen rarely in any K2 - when the firmware is quite 
busy, your video shows it happening frequently, which is abnormal.

The most common cause of that behavior is in late K2s with the new 
encoder - the one with the encoder board that sits close to the control 
board.  If that describes your K2, then flush cut the encoder board 
leads (really close to the board) and do the same on the control board 
in the area where the encoder board can contact the solder side of the 
Control Board.

If your K2 has the older encoder, then look for a bad solder connection 
on either the Control board or the Front Panel board.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 7/31/2017 5:06 AM, Martin Rath wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I happen to be in Europe for a few weeks of holidays and wanted to use my
> old K2 that I never imported into Singapore for some QSO's.
> 
> I'm facing an issue with the LCD randomly flickering and displaying the
> power and speed.
> 
> I have also experienced that when I'm in the middle of a QSO the speed will
> randomly change.
> 

From terry.mackey at sympatico.ca  Mon Jul 31 07:10:35 2017
From: terry.mackey at sympatico.ca (terry.mackey at sympatico.ca)
Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2017 07:10:35 -0400
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From pincon at erols.com  Mon Jul 31 07:14:23 2017
From: pincon at erols.com (Charlie T, K3ICH)
Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2017 07:14:23 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] OT Yamaha CM-500 ear pads
In-Reply-To: <1C.6C.08177.53AAE795@dnvrco-omsmta01>
References: <1C.6C.08177.53AAE795@dnvrco-omsmta01>
Message-ID: <001d01d309ee$2dc46b30$894d4190$@erols.com>

Search on eBay.

Try a couple different words if it doesn't show the results you want.

I'll bet you'll find some Chicom stuff cheap with free shipping & no tax.
It may take a week or two to get here, but the price is right.

And before you send me an "All 'Made in China' stuff is junk" email, I have had the opposite experience.
I've bought lots of little stuff, connectors, misc parts, etc.,  that way and have yet to be disappointed in the quality.

73, Charlie k3ICH



-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of GaryK9GS
Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2017 11:56 PM
To: Bob McGraw K4TAX <rmcgraw at blomand.net>; elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT Yamaha CM-500 ear pads

Bob, K4TAX, Isis probably right.  You could try getting a set of Koss SB40 pads but it's probably not worth the trouble.
https://www.koss.com/headphones/headsets/sb40


73,
Gary K9GS
-------- Original message --------From: Bob McGraw K4TAX <rmcgraw at blomand.net> Date: 7/30/17  10:24 PM  (GMT-06:00) To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT Yamaha CM-500 ear pads For the price of the headset...............order a new one...........trash the old one.    I'd expect cost of the ear pads plus shipping is ........... 1/2 the cost of a new headset.

73

Bob, K4TAX


On 7/30/2017 10:18 PM, George Winship, NC5G wrote:
> Has anyone found a suitable replacement ear pad. Mine are worn out. Otherwise
> the headset is good and hate to discard it. Did not find anything in the
> archives.
>
> 73, George NC5G
>
>
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From ka5y at yahoo.com  Mon Jul 31 07:19:19 2017
From: ka5y at yahoo.com (pkhjr)
Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2017 04:19:19 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] OT Yamaha CM-500 ear pads
In-Reply-To: <1501471086268-7632896.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1501471086268-7632896.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <1501499959714-7632909.post@n2.nabble.com>

I have both the CM-500 and the Koss SB45, I get the same reports on the air. 
The Koss is $25 shipped from Amazon which to me makes it a throwaway....
73 Tex



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From N3ND at aol.com  Mon Jul 31 07:46:34 2017
From: N3ND at aol.com (Dan Atchison)
Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2017 07:46:34 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] OT Yamaha CM-500 ear pads
In-Reply-To: <1501471086268-7632896.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1501471086268-7632896.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <26dab530-4c51-ce9f-ffab-e1873fdddca9@aol.com>

Not a replacement ear pad, but if you get a new headset, you might want 
to cover them with a "Garfield Headphone Softie."  These covers protect 
the original ear pad and, IMHO, make the headphones more comfortable on 
the ear.  I use them on my CM500 headset and my Sony MDR-7506 headphones.

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/368310-REG/Garfield_SGARHS1_Headphone_Softie_Earpad.html

73,
Dan


**********

*George Winship, NC5G* gwwa5uih at hotmail.com 
<mailto:elecraft%40mailman.qth.net?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BElecraft%5D%20OT%20Yamaha%20CM-500%20ear%20pads&In-Reply-To=%3C1501471086268-7632896.post%40n2.nabble.com%3E>
/Sun Jul 30 23:18:06 EDT 2017/
------------------------------------------------------------------------

Has anyone found a suitable replacement ear pad. Mine are worn out. Otherwise
the headset is good and hate to discard it. Did not find anything in the
archives.

73, George NC5G


From pincon at erols.com  Mon Jul 31 08:08:12 2017
From: pincon at erols.com (Charlie T, K3ICH)
Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2017 08:08:12 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] OT Yamaha CM-500 ear pads
In-Reply-To: <26dab530-4c51-ce9f-ffab-e1873fdddca9@aol.com>
References: <1501471086268-7632896.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<26dab530-4c51-ce9f-ffab-e1873fdddca9@aol.com>
Message-ID: <002201d309f5$b2e02d70$18a08850$@erols.com>

Yeah, but really nice velour* replacement pads for the Sony's can be had for
not much more than the $17 they want for those covers.

Charlie k3ICH

*Sweetwater has the best Beyerdynamic velour pads.  These are much more
comfortable than the OEM,  AND they won't flake off like the originals.
I have them on several Sony MDR7506's, which by the way, have much better hi
freq response than the CM-500, but obviously do not have a boom mike.
Try the Sony's. You'll hear stuff you didn't know was there in your music
collection.  Great for all us aging types that are losing our high-end
hearing too.



-----Original Message-----
From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net
[mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Dan Atchison via
Elecraft
Sent: Monday, July 31, 2017 7:47 AM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OT Yamaha CM-500 ear pads

Not a replacement ear pad, but if you get a new headset, you might want to
cover them with a "Garfield Headphone Softie."  These covers protect the
original ear pad and, IMHO, make the headphones more comfortable on the ear.
I use them on my CM500 headset and my Sony MDR-7506 headphones.

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/368310-REG/Garfield_SGARHS1_Headphone
_Softie_Earpad.html

73,
Dan




From k6xk at ncn.net  Mon Jul 31 08:50:33 2017
From: k6xk at ncn.net (Roy Koeppe)
Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2017 07:50:33 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] OT  headphone pads
Message-ID: <E476188B9EAE476CB52F1D34B3C16281@ROYKOEPPEHP>

Rumor had it in the AF that Navy radio ops used ladies' falsies glued to 
their cans for nice soft cushions.

73,  Roy    K6XK 



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From john at kk9a.com  Mon Jul 31 09:25:58 2017
From: john at kk9a.com (john at kk9a.com)
Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2017 09:25:58 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft]  KAT-500 brain trust question
Message-ID: <8671c07effc97826625c5eecf7e562ac.squirrel@www11.qth.com>

So apparently there is a way to automatically bypass the tuner on some
bands but unfortunately the lighted switch does not indicate this. Many
people have monoband beams (or a SteppIR) with a near perfect match on
10-20m and may only need the tuner for a couple of bands. I would also
like to have N6WM's feature request. I wonder how the KPA-1500's tuner
handles this?

John KK9A



Chris Tate - N6WM ctate at ewnetinc.com
Sun Jul 30 18:39:54 EDT 2017

Don thanks for this, indeed this is the current solution.  Although it is
rather obscure as far as indicators on the front panel.

I would like to convert this to a feature request, as It would be nice if
the firmware supported, and there was another matrix in the KAT500 Utility
that would permit a hard bypass with indicator on a per band basis.  Gives
that warm fuzzy its doing exactly what you want..

E.g. qsy to 20m.. bypass light comes on..

Chris
N6WM


From rmcgraw at blomand.net  Mon Jul 31 09:30:08 2017
From: rmcgraw at blomand.net (Bob McGraw K4TAX)
Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2017 08:30:08 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] unsubscribe
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73

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From dl2ydp at mail.ru  Mon Jul 31 10:44:03 2017
From: dl2ydp at mail.ru (Roger)
Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2017 07:44:03 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] Tx Mon Display
Message-ID: <1501512243687-7632918.post@n2.nabble.com>

Is it possible with firmware update to show the spectrum?



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From mt.grewe at gmail.com  Mon Jul 31 11:36:46 2017
From: mt.grewe at gmail.com (Martin Theodor Grewe)
Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2017 17:36:46 +0200
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3: Bug using macros - parameter AG / AF LIM nor (030)
Message-ID: <CAD5pLLk4NGEyhx0GNeiF=hruV-1BkobreZ0ntrZ+iajh6uZLEA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi "List",
hi Elecraft,

a small finding using macros and setting Audio (AF):

- you can change volume using AF knob - for sure :-)
- AF LIM ist set to nor 030
- set audio using AF knob to 40
- check audio level with terminal: AG$; AG$040; - check!
- set audio to 040 in terminal: AG040;
- Now you can hear less "noise", audio level is 030 !!
- lets check audio level: AG$;AG$040; - hm strange! sounds like 030!
- no turn the AF knob very slowly... ZAP! Audio switches to REAL 040!

Please fix this :-)

73 de Martin, DL1MTG

From n6kr at elecraft.com  Mon Jul 31 11:38:55 2017
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2017 08:38:55 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S (SDR/superhet hybrid) vs. entry-level
 direct-sampling radios
In-Reply-To: <688896b0-8a81-e13d-84a2-2032ad4522ab@gmail.com>
References: <85.DE.31699.4090E795@dnvrco-omsmta03>
	<401CDF33-E4DF-4B3B-A4BE-F50082F0077A@elecraft.com>
	<688896b0-8a81-e13d-84a2-2032ad4522ab@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CD2AB89C-C099-4DFD-825B-23777D8D8674@elecraft.com>

Igor,

The original DSP code had a math error in the AGC algorithm that caused some nonlinearity at certain signal levels. This was corrected. The crystal filters have low group delay and low ripple, so the only remaining factor is ADC quantization noise. Our ADCs are 16 bits and sampling at 48 kHz (at the 2nd IF), with performance as good or better than RF sampling ADCs. Additional ADC reference filtering was added to the K3S RF board, and the DSP audio path was improved. Now, in practice, there is almost no difference in in-band demodulation sound or IMD. 

73,
Wayne
N6KR


> On Jul 30, 2017, at 10:46 PM, Igor Sokolov <ua9cdc at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> May I add that another good feature of a direct sampling SDR is low IMD in the passband. That is due to lack of crystal filter in the passband. The result is that that output audio is cleaner especially when there are several stations calling on the same frequency.
> 
> 73, Igor UA9CDC
> 
> 30.07.2017 21:46, Wayne Burdick ?????:
>>> GaryK9GS <garyk9gs at wi.rr.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thanks for sending Wayne.   To take this discussion a step further,  is the Flex series of radios in the same category as the 7300?
>> 
>> Flex radios do use a direct-sampling architecture (with no roofing filters). The degree to which they?re subject to ADC over-range, and what they do about it in firmware, has been the subject of ongoing debate. It may be the case that, generally, the more you pay for a direct-sampling radio, the better the A-to-D converters, and the higher the ADC overrange threshold.
>> 
>> That said, when measured with preamp off, the Flex 6700 has about 7 dB less IMD dynamic range than the K3S (see note Y in Sherwood?s chart), and 20 dB less blocking dynamic range. Both are direct consequences of not having narrowband roofing filters.
>> 
>> On the other hand, the Flex radios have a very broad panadapter display for those who require it.
>> 
>> 73,
>> Wayne
>> N6KR
>> 
>> 
>>> 
>>> 73,
>>> Gary K9GS
>>> -------- Original message --------From: Wayne Burdick <n6kr at elecraft.com> Date: 7/30/17  11:14 AM  (GMT-06:00) To: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft at mailman.qth.net> Subject: [Elecraft] K3S (SDR/superhet hybrid) vs. entry-level
>>> 	direct-sampling radios
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> Over the past two days I?ve been deluged with requests for our K3S vs. IC7300 comparison chart. This stems from a posting that mentioned the latter rig, and my subsequent offer to send out the chart, which we normally use for in-house training purposes.
>>> 
>>> What?s become clear from all the questions and comments is that there?s a need for clarification on receiver architecture.
>>> 
>>> The K3S, an SDR/superhet hybrid, includes narrowband protection of its A-to-D converters in the form of roofing filters (crystal filters). This is fundamentally different from the approach taken by direct-sampling radios, which have only very broadband filtering ahead of their ADCs. Typically, front-end band-pass filters are 0.5 to 4 MHz wide. Their ADCs will be impacted by all strong signals in this range, alone and in summation.
>>> 
>>> When the ADC over-ranges in this ?pure? SDR architecture, the radio usually reduces its gain automatically by either turning off preamps or adding attenuation. This increases the noise figure, often resulting in the loss of weak signals, both audibly and in the panadapter. Another word for it is ?desense.? You might hear a pulsing sound as the noise floor goes up and down in response to a particular signal, or the sensitivity may degrade for many seconds at a time while the firmware waits for levels to drop at the input to the ADC.
>>> 
>>> Such over-ranging is almost unheard of in the K3S, for multiple reasons. First, we use very strong mixers and gain stages. Second, in many cases there?s no need to turn the preamp on at all. (Example: the K3S?s preamp-off sensitivity is typically -135 dB, while the preamp-off sensitivity on a typical direct-sampling SDR is -115 to -125 dB.) The third reason for the K3S?s strong-signal performance is its crystal roofing filters. These protect the ADC from not only wide-spaced signals, but also from signals very close by. As K3 and K3S owners will attest, you can have a huge signal just a few hundred Hz away and not even know it?s there -- unless that station?s transmit phase noise is blanketing the band anyway. (There?s no defense against an unclean or clicky transmit signal.)
>>> 
>>> I?ve updated the referenced comparison chart to clarify this important difference. Our webmaster will put it up next week.
>>> 
>>> Meanwhile, I?ll continue to send it on request (email me directly). Feel free to share the information with anyone interested in the topic.
>>> 
>>> 73,
>>> Wayne
>>> N6KR
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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From n6kr at elecraft.com  Mon Jul 31 11:46:28 2017
From: n6kr at elecraft.com (Wayne Burdick)
Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2017 08:46:28 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S (SDR/superhet hybrid) vs. entry-level
 direct-sampling radios [Correction]
In-Reply-To: <7E413367-D6AB-401D-8986-9EF23B0E9443@elecraft.com>
References: <7E413367-D6AB-401D-8986-9EF23B0E9443@elecraft.com>
Message-ID: <B410E2BB-986C-47FD-A50B-4A29F23FA4BC@elecraft.com>

Gary, K7EMF, caught an error in my paragraph below. I had used ?dB? when I meant ?dBm? (dB relative to 1 milliwatt). Now corrected.

73,
Wayne
N6KR


> Such over-ranging is almost unheard of in the K3S, for multiple reasons. First, we use very strong mixers and gain stages. Second, in many cases there?s no need to turn the preamp on at all. (Example: the K3S?s preamp-off sensitivity is typically -135 dBm, while the preamp-off sensitivity on a typical direct-sampling SDR is -115 to -125 dBm.) The third reason for the K3S?s strong-signal performance is its crystal roofing filters. These protect the ADC from not only wide-spaced signals, but also from signals very close by. As K3 and K3S owners will attest, you can have a huge signal just a few hundred Hz away and not even know it?s there -- unless that station?s transmit phase noise is blanketing the band anyway. (There?s no defense against an unclean or clicky transmit signal.)





From marcouxe at hotmail.com  Mon Jul 31 13:11:31 2017
From: marcouxe at hotmail.com (VE8EM)
Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2017 10:11:31 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Kit issue - Does not transmit in SSB
Message-ID: <1501521091023-7632922.post@n2.nabble.com>

Good day, 

I am adressing this issue to this forum as I am puzzled and don't know what
to do. 

Basically, I assembled my K3S kit about a month ago, no issues with the
build and initial testing. I have done all of the required calibration and
even the RF Gain calibration using the XG3 signal generator. 

Everything worked out fine, I was able to receive signals and hooking up my
paddle I was able to transmit in CW. Since I have the TX Monitor option, I
was able to see the signal and power output on the P3 display.  I did put
back the radio in his box and put it aside for about a month as I was busy
with other family issues (i.e. a new baby).

I pulled back the radio last week as I wanted to play with the digital
modes, after fiddling with the settings I was able to hook up the computer
and the radio using the USB cable to use the internal sound card and
control. I am able to receive signals on my computer, I can see the received
signal on the computer display so I have no doubt that the sound card
drivers are working. I configured the software to control the radio and when
I start to transmit using the software, the radio turn into transmit mode
and the TX red LED lights up. However, looking on the P3 Display using the
TX Monitor, I see no signal being transmitted, if I increase the Monitor
volume, I hear a hissing sound and there is no power output. 

Since I initially thought this was caused by a setting, I hooked up the MH2
microphone and pressed the PTT, the TX LED lights up, but when I speak in
the microphone, no signal appear on the TX Monitor, same hissing sound when
I increase the Monitor Volume and no power output. 

Does anyone have faced such an issue?   Any idea what is wrong?    

I have assembled many kits helping other people (K3, K3S, KX3, PX3) and
never faced any issue but for my kit, I dont get it.

Thanks in advance! 

Etienne Marcoux
VE8EM 




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From marcouxe at hotmail.com  Mon Jul 31 13:15:31 2017
From: marcouxe at hotmail.com (VE8EM)
Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2017 10:15:31 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] K3: SSB Transmit
In-Reply-To: <1457886768544-7615155.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1457886768544-7615155.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <1501521331060-7632923.post@n2.nabble.com>

Did you manage to get a resolution?     Understanding its been a while
hopefully so. 

I am faced with what seems to be a very similar issue right now! 





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From gthornton at thorntonmostullaw.com  Mon Jul 31 13:23:21 2017
From: gthornton at thorntonmostullaw.com (George Thornton)
Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2017 17:23:21 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Kit issue - Does not transmit in SSB
In-Reply-To: <1501521091023-7632922.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1501521091023-7632922.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <5413a29b36844ea285dcb2f76c03e2e3@Server.thorntonmostullaw.com>

I would start by bringing your tests down to the basics and eliminating any possible computer software configuration cause.

I would first re-load the firmware and re-run calibration.

Assuming those all work correctly, the next issue is to properly configure the microphone settings.  There are several things that have to be correct, including where the microphone is connected (rear or front), the nature of the microphone, any bias and the proper microphone power setting (hi or low).  Read the manual and follow the instructions.

If you are still having problems, test with another microphone to make sure the problem is not with the mic.

If none of those work I would call the factory for further guidance.  They are excellent at diagnosis and are very helpful.



From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of VE8EM
Sent: Monday, July 31, 2017 10:12 AM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Kit issue - Does not transmit in SSB

Good day,

I am adressing this issue to this forum as I am puzzled and don't know what
to do.

Basically, I assembled my K3S kit about a month ago, no issues with the
build and initial testing. I have done all of the required calibration and
even the RF Gain calibration using the XG3 signal generator.

Everything worked out fine, I was able to receive signals and hooking up my
paddle I was able to transmit in CW. Since I have the TX Monitor option, I
was able to see the signal and power output on the P3 display. I did put
back the radio in his box and put it aside for about a month as I was busy
with other family issues (i.e. a new baby).

I pulled back the radio last week as I wanted to play with the digital
modes, after fiddling with the settings I was able to hook up the computer
and the radio using the USB cable to use the internal sound card and
control. I am able to receive signals on my computer, I can see the received
signal on the computer display so I have no doubt that the sound card
drivers are working. I configured the software to control the radio and when
I start to transmit using the software, the radio turn into transmit mode
and the TX red LED lights up. However, looking on the P3 Display using the
TX Monitor, I see no signal being transmitted, if I increase the Monitor
volume, I hear a hissing sound and there is no power output.

Since I initially thought this was caused by a setting, I hooked up the MH2
microphone and pressed the PTT, the TX LED lights up, but when I speak in
the microphone, no signal appear on the TX Monitor, same hissing sound when
I increase the Monitor Volume and no power output.

Does anyone have faced such an issue? Any idea what is wrong?

I have assembled many kits helping other people (K3, K3S, KX3, PX3) and
never faced any issue but for my kit, I dont get it.

Thanks in advance!

Etienne Marcoux
VE8EM




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From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Mon Jul 31 13:26:36 2017
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2017 13:26:36 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Kit issue - Does not transmit in SSB
In-Reply-To: <1501521091023-7632922.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1501521091023-7632922.post@n2.nabble.com>
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Etienne,

A frequent problem is that the Bias is not turned on when using the MH2 
microphone.  It is an electret microphone and needs bias to produce audio.

As for your DATA mode operation, are you using DATA A mode?  You should be.
Do you have the mic select set to Line IN?  If not, that can be the 
problem.  Do you have anything plugged into the K3S Line IN jack?  That 
overrides the Line IN for the internal soundcard.
Do you get any indication on the ALC meter - you should set the audio so 
you have 4 bars solid with the 5th bar flickering.  You may need to 
adjust both the computer soundcard speaker or line Out sliders and the 
K3S mic gain (actually Line IN).

73,
Don W3FPR

On 7/31/2017 1:11 PM, VE8EM wrote:
> Good day,
> 
> I am adressing this issue to this forum as I am puzzled and don't know what
> to do.
> 
> Basically, I assembled my K3S kit about a month ago, no issues with the
> build and initial testing. I have done all of the required calibration and
> even the RF Gain calibration using the XG3 signal generator.
> 
> Everything worked out fine, I was able to receive signals and hooking up my
> paddle I was able to transmit in CW. Since I have the TX Monitor option, I
> was able to see the signal and power output on the P3 display.  I did put
> back the radio in his box and put it aside for about a month as I was busy
> with other family issues (i.e. a new baby).
> 
> I pulled back the radio last week as I wanted to play with the digital
> modes, after fiddling with the settings I was able to hook up the computer
> and the radio using the USB cable to use the internal sound card and
> control. I am able to receive signals on my computer, I can see the received
> signal on the computer display so I have no doubt that the sound card
> drivers are working. I configured the software to control the radio and when
> I start to transmit using the software, the radio turn into transmit mode
> and the TX red LED lights up. 

From ctate at ewnetinc.com  Mon Jul 31 13:33:29 2017
From: ctate at ewnetinc.com (Chris Tate - N6WM)
Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2017 17:33:29 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] KAT-500 brain trust question
In-Reply-To: <8671c07effc97826625c5eecf7e562ac.squirrel@www11.qth.com>
References: <8671c07effc97826625c5eecf7e562ac.squirrel@www11.qth.com>
Message-ID: <236350B81BC09D42B8C3B41A97C654DD1FC86538@AUSP01DAG0504.collaborationhost.net>

John,

About 2 hours after I posted this on the reflector (on a Sunday no less), I was contacted by the firmware engineer agreeing with the need for this feature. This is also the engineer working on the KPA1500 that will have said bypass feature with even more granular focus than just the band, and it was his hope to roll some of those feature enhancements into the KAT500 downstream after completion of the KPA1500 code.

This is remarkable customer support and a real testament to the culture at Elecraft that as we all have come to know is best in class.

In the interim we have a temporary fix that works and something to look forward to in the future.

Chris
N6WM
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From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net [elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net] on behalf of john at kk9a.com [john at kk9a.com]
Sent: Monday, July 31, 2017 6:25 AM
To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft]  KAT-500 brain trust question

So apparently there is a way to automatically bypass the tuner on some
bands but unfortunately the lighted switch does not indicate this. Many
people have monoband beams (or a SteppIR) with a near perfect match on
10-20m and may only need the tuner for a couple of bands. I would also
like to have N6WM's feature request. I wonder how the KPA-1500's tuner
handles this?

John KK9A



Chris Tate - N6WM ctate at ewnetinc.com
Sun Jul 30 18:39:54 EDT 2017

Don thanks for this, indeed this is the current solution.  Although it is
rather obscure as far as indicators on the front panel.

I would like to convert this to a feature request, as It would be nice if
the firmware supported, and there was another matrix in the KAT500 Utility
that would permit a hard bypass with indicator on a per band basis.  Gives
that warm fuzzy its doing exactly what you want..

E.g. qsy to 20m.. bypass light comes on..

Chris
N6WM

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From n7cqr at arrl.net  Mon Jul 31 14:16:45 2017
From: n7cqr at arrl.net (Dan Presley)
Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2017 11:16:45 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 preamp
Message-ID: <63E6DD5A-E9C5-47C8-98C9-1AA471CB0D64@arrl.net>

I was out this weekend doing the Bumblebee QRP contest (lousy conditions here in PNW!) and a couple of times I noticed that the preamp switched itself off. First time I thought I bumped the switch but it actually did it 2 more times. I was running 5W cw to a magloop carefully tuned to resonance as best I could tell. I?ve used this same setup a bunch and never had that happen before-any thoughts? Thanks.
Dan Presley  N7CQR
n7cqr at arrl.net



From 6146guy at gmail.com  Mon Jul 31 14:21:42 2017
From: 6146guy at gmail.com (David Gow)
Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2017 11:21:42 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KX3 and KPXA100 For Sale
Message-ID: <CA+1A67Rg4jRW1QYyvNUgMENLTCq3G_S2DmdEKXW63mLKQtSzYA@mail.gmail.com>

I purchased these units new and factory assembled in August of 2015.  They
have been lightly used in my  interior shack, basically for familiarization
purposes.  I had planned to use them for portable and mobile use in an RV
but our plans have changed and we will not be acquiring an RV. in the
foreseeable future.  The KX3 has all the internal accessorizes except the
two meter and 70 cm modules.  It comes with the key paddles available at
the time and the MH3 hand mic.  Both are in perfect operating condition,
look like new.  They include all cables including the adapter cable from
the KX3 to the KXPA100. so that the pair acts as a transceiver.  They are
running the most recent firmware.I am asking $1000 for the KX3 and $760 for
the KXPA.  If you buy the pair it will be $1,700.  Shipping in the
continental US is your responsibility and they will be shipped in the
original factory packing.

Please reply off the list.

Dave Gow
W7VM
6146guy at gmail.com

From rbfoltz1 at frontier.com  Mon Jul 31 14:43:49 2017
From: rbfoltz1 at frontier.com (Randy)
Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2017 11:43:49 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 preamp
In-Reply-To: <63E6DD5A-E9C5-47C8-98C9-1AA471CB0D64@arrl.net>
References: <63E6DD5A-E9C5-47C8-98C9-1AA471CB0D64@arrl.net>
Message-ID: <a153906b-ab2f-0991-d888-950674ee4d0a@frontier.com>

Interesting Dan, I had a similar experience both with the KX2 and the 
lousy conditions here in eastern PNW (northern ID).  I was sending CQs 
with the MSG key then the "1" key.  Once the radio got real quiet and I 
saw that the preamp was off.  I think what happened was that the MSG key 
did not get pressed, although I thought I had done so, then when I 
pressed the "1" key, it was really the PRE key.  That turned the preamp 
off.  At least that is what I think happened.

Also thanks for the Q.  I didn't get very many of them so each was 
particularly memorable.

Randy, K7TQ
Moscow, ID

On 07/31/2017 11:16 AM, Dan Presley wrote:
> I was out this weekend doing the Bumblebee QRP contest (lousy conditions here in PNW!) and a couple of times I noticed that the preamp switched itself off. First time I thought I bumped the switch but it actually did it 2 more times. I was running 5W cw to a magloop carefully tuned to resonance as best I could tell. I?ve used this same setup a bunch and never had that happen before-any thoughts? Thanks.
> Dan Presley  N7CQR
> n7cqr at arrl.net
>
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From PCASEY at sbu.edu  Mon Jul 31 14:50:10 2017
From: PCASEY at sbu.edu (Casey, Patrick)
Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2017 18:50:10 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] Test
Message-ID: <SN1PR02MB2079D93793CFFFC61D0FA6CDD9B20@SN1PR02MB2079.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>

test

From marcouxe at hotmail.com  Mon Jul 31 15:17:07 2017
From: marcouxe at hotmail.com (VE8EM)
Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2017 12:17:07 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Kit issue - Does not transmit in SSB
In-Reply-To: <1501521091023-7632922.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1501521091023-7632922.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <1501528627420-7632931.post@n2.nabble.com>

I would like to say thank you all for your answers.   The BIAS was the issue
for the MH2 microphone, I am able to transmit SSB now but somehow I am still
having issue with the computer connection... 

I guess I will keep trying things out.

The menu option for MIC SEL is now showing front port and BIAS. It works! 

The following option MIC+LIN I believe should be on to use both, am I
correct? 

I am still unable to use the internal sound card line in however...  I'll
keep trying!

Thanks! 

VE8EM



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From wes_n7ws at triconet.org  Mon Jul 31 15:19:21 2017
From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes Stewart)
Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2017 12:19:21 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S and FT8
Message-ID: <3c030141-4cef-3bc0-1076-524ab91862b9@triconet.org>

I've made a few QSOs with FT8 but have had less then stellar success.  In 
looking for possibly causes I took a close look at timing, since a lot of the 
chatter in the WSJT Yahoo group is about the need for close time synchronization.

I noted that when my transmit interval occurred, there seemed to be about a one 
and a half second delay before the K3 began to transmit. I began an exchange of 
email with Bill, G4WJS, about this issue.  I quote from one of his:

    "If you are seeing a 1.5s delay then that is because CAT commands sent
    before PTT, even if PTT is "virtual" due to using VOX, are taking
    roughly that long. The K3 series is problematic in that certain CAT
    commands can take a long time to complete, these are mostly mode change
    related, even if the mode does not actually change, as a DSP reset that
    takes 0.5s or so has to be completed before the CAT command returns
    success. I suggest setting "Settings->Radio->Mode" to "None" and setting
    the rig to USB-DATA-A sub-mode manually on both VFOs, as a test to see
    if things speed up for you."

I tried his suggestion and didn't see much change, then I decided to turn off 
Split in the program.  This reduced the apparent delay to <0.5 second. I say 
apparent because these are eyeball measurements, best made by looking at the 
clock display while listening for the TX audio to drop out.  The message is 12.6 
seconds long so if it ends at or around 13 seconds I would guess good enough.

Anyone else see any of this?

Wes, N7WS


From rask1553 at bellsouth.net  Mon Jul 31 15:26:43 2017
From: rask1553 at bellsouth.net (Michael Raskin)
Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2017 15:26:43 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] Mini-Modulues
Message-ID: <CAF9F574D1E6433A9FEDD90C576EFC6A@DESKTOPFSUHCE9>

All 8 mini-modules kits have sold ? none are left.  Thanks guys! 

73,
Mike, W4UM

From wes_n7ws at triconet.org  Mon Jul 31 15:53:04 2017
From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes Stewart)
Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2017 12:53:04 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S and FT8
In-Reply-To: <CAKvY8nvpzn3qJHAMiNR5wsM-V2-ukbtYYzaUQFZr4x0zX3dEiw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3c030141-4cef-3bc0-1076-524ab91862b9@triconet.org>
	<CAKvY8nvpzn3qJHAMiNR5wsM-V2-ukbtYYzaUQFZr4x0zX3dEiw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ee1f15b7-6283-d568-3108-e9288cea9a67@triconet.org>

Fake it just moves the A VFO before transmit (if needed) and back for receive.  
The delays seem just a problematic.

On 7/31/2017 12:32 PM, Daniel Brown wrote:
> I saw the same thing when I had it set to split. I'll have to admit
> though that my rig is an IC-7000, not a K3 (yet).
>
> Changed over to "fake it" for the split operation setting, and it
> seems to do better, with faster xmits.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 31, 2017 at 3:19 PM, Wes Stewart <wes_n7ws at triconet.org> wrote:
>> I've made a few QSOs with FT8 but have had less then stellar success.  In
>> looking for possibly causes I took a close look at timing, since a lot of
>> the chatter in the WSJT Yahoo group is about the need for close time
>> synchronization.
>>
>> I noted that when my transmit interval occurred, there seemed to be about a
>> one and a half second delay before the K3 began to transmit. I began an
>> exchange of email with Bill, G4WJS, about this issue.  I quote from one of
>> his:
>>
>>     "If you are seeing a 1.5s delay then that is because CAT commands sent
>>     before PTT, even if PTT is "virtual" due to using VOX, are taking
>>     roughly that long. The K3 series is problematic in that certain CAT
>>     commands can take a long time to complete, these are mostly mode change
>>     related, even if the mode does not actually change, as a DSP reset that
>>     takes 0.5s or so has to be completed before the CAT command returns
>>     success. I suggest setting "Settings->Radio->Mode" to "None" and setting
>>     the rig to USB-DATA-A sub-mode manually on both VFOs, as a test to see
>>     if things speed up for you."
>>
>> I tried his suggestion and didn't see much change, then I decided to turn
>> off Split in the program.  This reduced the apparent delay to <0.5 second. I
>> say apparent because these are eyeball measurements, best made by looking at
>> the clock display while listening for the TX audio to drop out.  The message
>> is 12.6 seconds long so if it ends at or around 13 seconds I would guess
>> good enough.
>>
>> Anyone else see any of this?
>>
>> Wes, N7WS
>>
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From k9yeq at live.com  Mon Jul 31 15:57:29 2017
From: k9yeq at live.com (Bill Johnson)
Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2017 19:57:29 +0000
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From k9ztv at socket.net  Mon Jul 31 15:58:51 2017
From: k9ztv at socket.net (KENT TRIMBLE)
Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2017 14:58:51 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] KX2 preamp
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Dan . . .

Were you running a pre-recorded message on button 1 (the PRE button)?

If you forgot to tap the MSG button first before you tapped button 1, 
then the PRE function would be operative, not the message-play function.

Have done it myself.

73,

Kent  K9ZTV



On 7/31/2017 1:16 PM, Dan Presley wrote:
> I was out this weekend doing the Bumblebee QRP contest (lousy conditions here in PNW!) and a couple of times I noticed that the preamp switched itself off. First time I thought I bumped the switch but it actually did it 2 more times. I was running 5W cw to a magloop carefully tuned to resonance as best I could tell. I?ve used this same setup a bunch and never had that happen before-any thoughts? Thanks.
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From KX3.1 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com  Mon Jul 31 16:07:50 2017
From: KX3.1 at ColdRocksHotBrooms.com (Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT)
Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2017 13:07:50 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] unsubscribe
In-Reply-To: <RO1P152MB0907E5E74C9741A65C4D84F79CB20@RO1P152MB0907.LAMP152.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
References: <20170731132154.ILVI14758.mtlspm02.bell.net@[IPv6:::ffff:192.168.2.24]>
	<9aafa6b7-91a8-0021-270f-93e0cf576bbb@blomand.net>
	<RO1P152MB0907E5E74C9741A65C4D84F79CB20@RO1P152MB0907.LAMP152.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
Message-ID: <394a2a5b-5431-e312-54cd-d1f3e24db312@ColdRocksHotBrooms.com>

These (below) are correct.

In theory, we're all "trained" on this process, because getting off the 
list is the same as getting on: you put your E-Mail into the web page, 
you get a confirmation E-Mail, and you click on the link.

On 7/31/2017 12:57 PM, Bill Johnson wrote:
> Home:http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
> Help:http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm

From ghyoungman at gmail.com  Mon Jul 31 16:07:57 2017
From: ghyoungman at gmail.com (GRANT YOUNGMAN)
Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2017 16:07:57 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] unsubscribe
In-Reply-To: <RO1P152MB0907E5E74C9741A65C4D84F79CB20@RO1P152MB0907.LAMP152.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
References: <20170731132154.ILVI14758.mtlspm02.bell.net@[IPv6:::ffff:192.168.2.24]>
	<9aafa6b7-91a8-0021-270f-93e0cf576bbb@blomand.net>
	<RO1P152MB0907E5E74C9741A65C4D84F79CB20@RO1P152MB0907.LAMP152.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
Message-ID: <D684ABEE-E569-405F-BCBA-E34E568CE07A@gmail.com>

It?s not a bad address!  It works fine.  The ?HOME? link takes you where you need to go to unsubscribe. You do need to scroll down to the bottom of the page ? I know that?s hard ;-)


> On Jul 31, 2017, at 3:57 PM, Bill Johnson <k9yeq at live.com> wrote:
> 
> This is a bad address, Bob.  Look at the @....  List monitor needs to deep six.
> 
> 73,
> Bill
> K9YEQ
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> 
> 
> Just click on the link at the bottom of any message where it says  HOME. 
>   Follow the page to near the bottom where it says UNSUBSCRIBE.
> 

Grant NQ5T
K3 #2091, KX3 #8342




From aa2zj at juno.com  Mon Jul 31 16:10:09 2017
From: aa2zj at juno.com (Gerry Miller)
Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2017 20:10:09 GMT
Subject: [Elecraft] MAC BOOK KX3 QUESTION
Message-ID: <20170731.161009.15872.2@webmail05.vgs.untd.com>

 HI GUYS,  I AM USING A MAC BOOK PRO FROM 2010.  I HAVE THE LATEST SOFTWARE AS OF THIS DATE.  THE QUESTION IS, DOES "BIG E" HAVE A CABLE AVAILABLE THAT WOULD ALLOW WORK WITH MY MAC (USB) TO SEND-RECEIVE DATA SOFTWARE I HAVE ON THE PC?    I AM ABLE TO DOWNLOAD KX3 UPDATES, BUT DO NOT KNOW IF I COULD USE THE SAME CABLE FOR  RTTY/PACKET/JT  SOFTWARE THAT I MAY HAVE ON THE MAC.  THE MAC DOES NOT HAVE A CONNECTION FOR A MICROPHONE SUCH AS WOULD BE AVAILABLE ON A WINDOWS MACHINE.  I MUST ADMIT THAT I AM NOT COMPUTER LITERATE.TNX AND 73AA2ZJ 
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From donwilh at embarqmail.com  Mon Jul 31 16:17:26 2017
From: donwilh at embarqmail.com (Don Wilhelm)
Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2017 16:17:26 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S Kit issue - Does not transmit in SSB
In-Reply-To: <1501528627420-7632931.post@n2.nabble.com>
References: <1501521091023-7632922.post@n2.nabble.com>
	<1501528627420-7632931.post@n2.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <36d09fe8-a702-e39c-f6d4-6fce41661e2e@embarqmail.com>

For DATA modes, use DATA A and set the data mode MIC SEL to LINE IN - if 
you try to use SSB with MIC+LIN you will end up transmitting voice as 
well as data through the live mic.

With the USB connection using the internal K3 soundcard, make certain 
nothing is plugged into the 3.5mm LINE IN jack.

Adjust the soundcard slider and the MIC GAIN (now LINE IN gain) to 
produce 4 bars solid on the ALC meter with the 5th bar flashing.
Adjust your desired power with the power knob.
Ignore the internet advice to adjust the power with the audio level, it 
does not work well with Elecraft gear.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 7/31/2017 3:17 PM, VE8EM wrote:
> I would like to say thank you all for your answers.   The BIAS was the issue
> for the MH2 microphone, I am able to transmit SSB now but somehow I am still
> having issue with the computer connection...

From stevesgt at effable.com  Mon Jul 31 16:24:28 2017
From: stevesgt at effable.com (Steve Sergeant)
Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2017 13:24:28 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] MAC BOOK KX3 QUESTION
In-Reply-To: <20170731.161009.15872.2@webmail05.vgs.untd.com>
References: <20170731.161009.15872.2@webmail05.vgs.untd.com>
Message-ID: <9d2c526b-408b-3257-df37-841f3699f551@effable.com>

Gerry:

I suspect that your MacBook Pro does have an audio input. If there's not
a separate mic connector, then the headphone connector probably provides
a mic/line input on a 4-conductor TRRS connector.

You might have to build a custom cable.


On 7/31/17 1:10 PM, Gerry Miller wrote:
>  HI GUYS,  I AM USING A MAC BOOK PRO FROM 2010.  I HAVE THE LATEST SOFTWARE AS OF THIS DATE.  THE QUESTION IS, DOES "BIG E" HAVE A CABLE AVAILABLE THAT WOULD ALLOW WORK WITH MY MAC (USB) TO SEND-RECEIVE DATA SOFTWARE I HAVE ON THE PC?    I AM ABLE TO DOWNLOAD KX3 UPDATES, BUT DO NOT KNOW IF I COULD USE THE SAME CABLE FOR  RTTY/PACKET/JT  SOFTWARE THAT I MAY HAVE ON THE MAC.  THE MAC DOES NOT HAVE A CONNECTION FOR A MICROPHONE SUCH AS WOULD BE AVAILABLE ON A WINDOWS MACHINE.  I MUST ADMIT THAT I AM NOT COMPUTER LITERATE.TNX AND 73AA2ZJ 


From ghyoungman at gmail.com  Mon Jul 31 16:39:32 2017
From: ghyoungman at gmail.com (GRANT YOUNGMAN)
Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2017 16:39:32 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] MAC BOOK KX3 QUESTION
In-Reply-To: <9d2c526b-408b-3257-df37-841f3699f551@effable.com>
References: <20170731.161009.15872.2@webmail05.vgs.untd.com>
	<9d2c526b-408b-3257-df37-841f3699f551@effable.com>
Message-ID: <1C51E68B-6B1E-4A80-817A-BB885B22F736@gmail.com>

Apple has dropped audio input on current Retina MacBookPro products.  I?m not sure when that transition took place, and am too lazy too look :-)

There are inexpensive USB audio modules that will support both input and output and perhaps save you some hassle.  It?s worth checking out this link if you don?t have a retina MacBook Pro ? it may still work:  record-through-your-macbooks-headphone-jack <https://www.cnet.com/how-to/record-through-your-macbooks-headphone-jack/>

On Jul 31, 2017, at 4:24 PM, Steve Sergeant <stevesgt at effable.com> wrote:
> 
> Gerry:
> 
> I suspect that your MacBook Pro does have an audio input. If there's not
> a separate mic connector, then the headphone connector probably provides
> a mic/line input on a 4-conductor TRRS connector.
> 
> You might have to build a custom cable.
> 
> 
> On 7/31/17 1:10 PM, Gerry Miller wrote:
>> HI GUYS,  I AM USING A MAC BOOK PRO FROM 2010.  I HAVE THE LATEST SOFTWARE AS OF THIS DATE.  THE QUESTION IS, DOES "BIG E" HAVE A CABLE AVAILABLE THAT WOULD ALLOW WORK WITH MY MAC (USB) TO SEND-RECEIVE DATA SOFTWARE I HAVE ON THE PC?    I AM ABLE TO DOWNLOAD KX3 UPDATES, BUT DO NOT KNOW IF I COULD USE THE SAME CABLE FOR  RTTY/PACKET/JT  SOFTWARE THAT I MAY HAVE ON THE MAC.  THE MAC DOES NOT HAVE A CONNECTION FOR A MICROPHONE SUCH AS WOULD BE AVAILABLE ON A WINDOWS MACHINE.  I MUST ADMIT THAT I AM NOT COMPUTER LITERATE.TNX AND 73AA2ZJ 
> 
> 

Grant NQ5T
K3 #2091, KX3 #8342




From wunder at wunderwood.org  Mon Jul 31 16:45:20 2017
From: wunder at wunderwood.org (Walter Underwood)
Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2017 13:45:20 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] MAC BOOK KX3 QUESTION
In-Reply-To: <1C51E68B-6B1E-4A80-817A-BB885B22F736@gmail.com>
References: <20170731.161009.15872.2@webmail05.vgs.untd.com>
	<9d2c526b-408b-3257-df37-841f3699f551@effable.com>
	<1C51E68B-6B1E-4A80-817A-BB885B22F736@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <FF39BDB9-EC6E-421E-8713-7A67815CD43D@wunderwood.org>

I use Apple earbuds to listen and talk through that one jack in my 15-inch, late 2013, Retina MacBook Pro. So it is possible.

wunder
K6WRU
Walter Underwood
CM87wj
http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog)

> On Jul 31, 2017, at 1:39 PM, GRANT YOUNGMAN <ghyoungman at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Apple has dropped audio input on current Retina MacBookPro products.  I?m not sure when that transition took place, and am too lazy too look :-)
> 
> There are inexpensive USB audio modules that will support both input and output and perhaps save you some hassle.  It?s worth checking out this link if you don?t have a retina MacBook Pro ? it may still work:  record-through-your-macbooks-headphone-jack <https://www.cnet.com/how-to/record-through-your-macbooks-headphone-jack/>
> 
> On Jul 31, 2017, at 4:24 PM, Steve Sergeant <stevesgt at effable.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Gerry:
>> 
>> I suspect that your MacBook Pro does have an audio input. If there's not
>> a separate mic connector, then the headphone connector probably provides
>> a mic/line input on a 4-conductor TRRS connector.
>> 
>> You might have to build a custom cable.
>> 
>> 
>> On 7/31/17 1:10 PM, Gerry Miller wrote:
>>> HI GUYS,  I AM USING A MAC BOOK PRO FROM 2010.  I HAVE THE LATEST SOFTWARE AS OF THIS DATE.  THE QUESTION IS, DOES "BIG E" HAVE A CABLE AVAILABLE THAT WOULD ALLOW WORK WITH MY MAC (USB) TO SEND-RECEIVE DATA SOFTWARE I HAVE ON THE PC?    I AM ABLE TO DOWNLOAD KX3 UPDATES, BUT DO NOT KNOW IF I COULD USE THE SAME CABLE FOR  RTTY/PACKET/JT  SOFTWARE THAT I MAY HAVE ON THE MAC.  THE MAC DOES NOT HAVE A CONNECTION FOR A MICROPHONE SUCH AS WOULD BE AVAILABLE ON A WINDOWS MACHINE.  I MUST ADMIT THAT I AM NOT COMPUTER LITERATE.TNX AND 73AA2ZJ 
>> 
>> 
> 
> Grant NQ5T
> K3 #2091, KX3 #8342
> 
> 
> 
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From bbaines at mac.com  Mon Jul 31 17:55:28 2017
From: bbaines at mac.com (Barry Baines)
Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2017 17:55:28 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] MAC BOOK KX3 QUESTION
In-Reply-To: <20170731.161009.15872.2@webmail05.vgs.untd.com>
References: <20170731.161009.15872.2@webmail05.vgs.untd.com>
Message-ID: <99B2C788-4C76-495C-AAC2-1C3AADCF9854@mac.com>

Gerry:

Please see the following link that describes what the 2010 MacBook Pro laptop line features:

http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/macbook_pro/macbook-pro-unibody-faq/differences-between-macbook-pro-13-15-17-inch-mid-2010.html <http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/macbook_pro/macbook-pro-unibody-faq/differences-between-macbook-pro-13-15-17-inch-mid-2010.html>

You don?t mention whether your laptop is a 13?, 15? or 17?  MacBook Pro. 

However, depending upon the laptop type you have, the audio input/output features vary.  From the link above:  ?However, the 15-Inch and 17-Inch models have optical digital/analog audio in/out and the 13-Inch does not ? it lacks optical audio in and instead has the same combined optical digital output/headphone out (user-selectable analog audio line in)? port used by the iPhone.?

Depending upon the model laptop you have, you can either use the ports that Apple provides on your laptop, or you may elect to use a USB plug-in audio-to-digital converter.  I highly recommend the Griffin ?iMIC? which can easily be used by both Mac OS 10.x devices as well as Windows devices under WinXP, Vista, Win7, Win8 Win10, etc. They?re highly reliable and the drivers for iMIC are integral in both Mac OS 10.x as well as Windows OS.  

Once the system recognizes the iMIC, you can easily configure whatever program you?re running to use the iMIC for audio input/output.  The iMIC has the ability to handle both ?level-in? audio as well as ?Mic-In? by means on a slide switch.  Audio input is via a 1/8? jack and audio output also has a 1/8? jack.   It comes with a Dual female RCA -to- stereo 1/8 plug that is inserted into a 1/8? jack.  

See:  https://griffintechnology.com/us/products/audio/home-audio/imic <https://griffintechnology.com/us/products/audio/home-audio/imic>


I?ve been using these devices for years at remote sites to input audio into a variety of computers utilized to provide an audio feed at receive sites that are fed to Radio Reference as well as to provide feeds from receive sites for railroad signal data (ATCS).  However, my experience with iMIC has been primarily with PCs.  I have not tried using an iMIC with Elecraft software nor with amateur digital programs such as JT-65 on a Mac.  That said, I don?t know any reason why this approach wouldn?t work for you.

Last comment: For some reason you sent your e-mail typed in CAPITAL LETTERS.  For many e-mail users, typing in capital letters is the equivalent of SHOUTING which can be annoying to read. I don?t think that was your intent, but be mindful that others may misinterpret your postings if you use capital letters all the time.

Hope this helps,

Barry Baines, WD4ASW
(Currently in N.Myrtle Beach, SC)









> On Jul 31, 2017, at 4:10 PM, Gerry Miller <aa2zj at juno.com> wrote:
> 
> HI GUYS,  I AM USING A MAC BOOK PRO FROM 2010.  I HAVE THE LATEST SOFTWARE AS OF THIS DATE.  THE QUESTION IS, DOES "BIG E" HAVE A CABLE AVAILABLE THAT WOULD ALLOW WORK WITH MY MAC (USB) TO SEND-RECEIVE DATA SOFTWARE I HAVE ON THE PC?    I AM ABLE TO DOWNLOAD KX3 UPDATES, BUT DO NOT KNOW IF I COULD USE THE SAME CABLE FOR  RTTY/PACKET/JT  SOFTWARE THAT I MAY HAVE ON THE MAC.  THE MAC DOES NOT HAVE A CONNECTION FOR A MICROPHONE SUCH AS WOULD BE AVAILABLE ON A WINDOWS MACHINE.  I MUST ADMIT THAT I AM NOT COMPUTER LITERATE.TNX AND 73AA2ZJ 
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From fred at fmeco.com  Mon Jul 31 18:07:54 2017
From: fred at fmeco.com (Fred Moore)
Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2017 18:07:54 -0400
Subject: [Elecraft] MAC BOOK KX3 QUESTION
In-Reply-To: <9d2c526b-408b-3257-df37-841f3699f551@effable.com>
References: <20170731.161009.15872.2@webmail05.vgs.untd.com>
	<9d2c526b-408b-3257-df37-841f3699f551@effable.com>
Message-ID: <8c18c258-53d6-678a-a4e9-3cfde0874193@fmeco.com>

I find the simplest way is to just use a 9 dollar usb sound card dongle
to handle the input and output audio on my Macbook Pro. and use fldigi
and RumlogNG, along with other mode software to get everything done. 
Works FB... Fred

Fred Moore
email: fred at fmeco.com
       wd8kni at gmail.com
phone: 321-217-8699

On 7/31/17 4:24 PM, Steve Sergeant wrote:
> Gerry:
>
> I suspect that your MacBook Pro does have an audio input. If there's not
> a separate mic connector, then the headphone connector probably provides
> a mic/line input on a 4-conductor TRRS connector.
>
> You might have to build a custom cable.
>
>
> On 7/31/17 1:10 PM, Gerry Miller wrote:
>>  HI GUYS,  I AM USING A MAC BOOK PRO FROM 2010.  I HAVE THE LATEST SOFTWARE AS OF THIS DATE.  THE QUESTION IS, DOES "BIG E" HAVE A CABLE AVAILABLE THAT WOULD ALLOW WORK WITH MY MAC (USB) TO SEND-RECEIVE DATA SOFTWARE I HAVE ON THE PC?    I AM ABLE TO DOWNLOAD KX3 UPDATES, BUT DO NOT KNOW IF I COULD USE THE SAME CABLE FOR  RTTY/PACKET/JT  SOFTWARE THAT I MAY HAVE ON THE MAC.  THE MAC DOES NOT HAVE A CONNECTION FOR A MICROPHONE SUCH AS WOULD BE AVAILABLE ON A WINDOWS MACHINE.  I MUST ADMIT THAT I AM NOT COMPUTER LITERATE.TNX AND 73AA2ZJ 
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From kstover at ac0h.net  Mon Jul 31 19:47:02 2017
From: kstover at ac0h.net (Kevin Stover, AC0H)
Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2017 18:47:02 -0500
Subject: [Elecraft] [OT] Maintaining Sanity with Filters
Message-ID: <e8b63f4c-23d4-fef6-06a6-36da7ef9f79e@ac0h.net>

It's simple.

I set my filters up to Elecraft mail list guidelines.
Any mail those filters don't move to the correct local folder, K2, K3, 
KX3, etc..., are unceremoniously dumped.

You could post the cure for cancer and if you can't follow the "rules" 
as set up by Elecraft my mail reader will auto-dump your scofflaw email.

It works.


-- 
R. Kevin Stover    AC0H
FISTS #11993
SKCC #215
NAQCC #3441
ARRL

From k6dgw at foothill.net  Mon Jul 31 19:57:12 2017
From: k6dgw at foothill.net (Fred Jensen)
Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2017 16:57:12 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] [OT] Maintaining Sanity with Filters
In-Reply-To: <e8b63f4c-23d4-fef6-06a6-36da7ef9f79e@ac0h.net>
References: <e8b63f4c-23d4-fef6-06a6-36da7ef9f79e@ac0h.net>
Message-ID: <ad098998-6fd2-f008-6ade-30164b274f3d@foothill.net>

And it works with more than this Elecraft list!? It seems many folks 
become deeply enamored in making their filters perfect.? I can hit the 
delete key for all the ones that escape my filters in far fewer 
keystrokes than what setting up perfect filters takes.? Elecraft list is 
easy ... while not adhered to religiously, many [most?] subject lines 
contain the product(s) that the post pertains to.

73,

Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW
Sparks NV DM09dn
Washoe County

On 7/31/2017 4:47 PM, Kevin Stover, AC0H wrote:
> It's simple.
>
> I set my filters up to Elecraft mail list guidelines.
> Any mail those filters don't move to the correct local folder, K2, K3, 
> KX3, etc..., are unceremoniously dumped.
>
> You could post the cure for cancer and if you can't follow the "rules" 
> as set up by Elecraft my mail reader will auto-dump your scofflaw email.
>
> It works.
>
>


From dave at nk7z.net  Mon Jul 31 20:16:35 2017
From: dave at nk7z.net (Dave Cole)
Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2017 17:16:35 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] [OT] Maintaining Sanity with Filters
In-Reply-To: <e8b63f4c-23d4-fef6-06a6-36da7ef9f79e@ac0h.net>
References: <e8b63f4c-23d4-fef6-06a6-36da7ef9f79e@ac0h.net>
Message-ID: <deb7e6e2-13a0-cde0-5a6c-a287f7602ee2@nk7z.net>

What if I make a post with the same title as the one above, and don't 
mention any Elecraft model numbers in either the body or subject...

How do you make the decision to filter or delete then?  I ask not to be 
contentious, but to learn how for my own filters.  I don't want to have 
to set filters in real time for every OT post, but a general filter 
would be great.

73s and thanks,
Dave
NK7Z
http://www.nk7z.net

On 07/31/2017 04:47 PM, Kevin Stover, AC0H wrote:
> It's simple.
> 
> I set my filters up to Elecraft mail list guidelines.
> Any mail those filters don't move to the correct local folder, K2, K3, 
> KX3, etc..., are unceremoniously dumped.
> 
> You could post the cure for cancer and if you can't follow the "rules" 
> as set up by Elecraft my mail reader will auto-dump your scofflaw email.
> 
> It works.
> 
> 

From jim at audiosystemsgroup.com  Mon Jul 31 21:00:56 2017
From: jim at audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown)
Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2017 18:00:56 -0700
Subject: [Elecraft] K3S and FT8
In-Reply-To: <3c030141-4cef-3bc0-1076-524ab91862b9@triconet.org>
References: <3c030141-4cef-3bc0-1076-524ab91862b9@triconet.org>
Message-ID: <e484db5d-3728-311d-2779-cb753c6c965e@audiosystemsgroup.com>

Hi Wes,

By a combination of trial and error personal preference, this is what I 
settled on as soon as I started with WSJT-X. I choose to NOT use split 
because I like to have the sub-RX down on the CW segment below 50.1 
while I'm using the main RX with WSJT-X.  The trial and error part was 
that I discovered that the K3 would not TX if I sent any commends to it 
from WSJT-X.

SO -- I'm using DATA-A and VOX.  I see the sub-second delay that you do. 
BTW -- I use VOX for ALL modes, CW, SSB, RTTY, and WSJT modes. No problems.

73, Jim K9YC

On 7/31/2017 12:19 PM, Wes Stewart wrote:
> I suggest setting "Settings->Radio->Mode" to "None" and setting
>    the rig to USB-DATA-A sub-mode manually on both VFOs



From k9yeq at live.com  Mon Jul 31 21:24:01 2017
From: k9yeq at live.com (Bill Johnson)
Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2017 01:24:01 +0000
Subject: [Elecraft] unsubscribe
In-Reply-To: <D684ABEE-E569-405F-BCBA-E34E568CE07A@gmail.com>
References: <20170731132154.ILVI14758.mtlspm02.bell.net@[IPv6:::ffff:192.168.2.24]>
	<9aafa6b7-91a8-0021-270f-93e0cf576bbb@blomand.net>
	<RO1P152MB0907E5E74C9741A65C4D84F79CB20@RO1P152MB0907.LAMP152.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
	<D684ABEE-E569-405F-BCBA-E34E568CE07A@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <RO1P152MB0907BECE997861EC4E5B06A09CB30@RO1P152MB0907.LAMP152.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

The issue is from the sender address is not safe IMHO.  Do what you want, just suggesting, you are looking for trouble.

73,
Bill
K9YEQ

-----Original Message-----
From: GRANT YOUNGMAN [mailto:ghyoungman at gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, July 31, 2017 3:08 PM
To: Bill Johnson <k9yeq at live.com>
Cc: elecraft at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] unsubscribe

It?s not a bad address!  It works fine.  The ?HOME? link takes you where you need to go to unsubscribe. You do need to scroll down to the bottom of the page ? I know that?s hard ;-)


> On Jul 31, 2017, at 3:57 PM, Bill Johnson <k9yeq at live.com> wrote:
> 
> This is a bad address, Bob.  Look at the @....  List monitor needs to deep six.
> 
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From gwwa5uih at hotmail.com  Mon Jul 31 22:06:26 2017
From: gwwa5uih at hotmail.com (George Winship, NC5G)
Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2017 19:06:26 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Elecraft] OT Yamaha CM-500 ear pads
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Thanks, everyone, for your suggestions. I'll check them out.



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